2020-11-09

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236321 Bailie, replying to Bailie, 18, #1 of 2009 🔗

Good morning all

236322 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Bailie, 3, #2 of 2009 🔗

Morning!

236327 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Sceptic Hank, 95, #3 of 2009 🔗

Good morning to you all!

Got to the suicide bit and just today I’ve had them feels exactly. I’m not capable of whacking myself but the feeling to not be alive anymore has filled me on a handful of occasions in just the past couple of months. It really sucks to have that thought/desire take the wheel.
Now, the fact I’m a recovering addict and have been alone my whole life (as in no love) surely accounts for the majority of the damage within, I have no doubt Coronamania and Mask-o-rama is adding a nice touch of despair into the mix. The compliance factor out there is staggering. I’ve always been a bit different but now I’m a full blown alien species and likely superspreader with my evil bare face.
Having said all this I’ll just carry on and live it out one day at a time. Got me a new pair of cats to make the rest of the way bearable…they’re lodged in my heart already!! 🙂

236336 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eddie, 53, #4 of 2009 🔗

Listen to those pussycats purring, Eddie.Settle them on your lap and stroke them. Watch them play. All’s right with their world, so long as you’re there for. them. And they’ll welcome you to their world.
Your bare face spreads humanity, sanity, the ability to smile and show emotion. Be proud of being a superspreader.
Remember that every smile, every appearance. of you as a human bring, every positive thought, is a poke in the eye for THEM.That alone makes life worth living.

236345 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 10, #5 of 2009 🔗

Bless you, Annie. Will you marry me? 😉

236350 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 16, #6 of 2009 🔗

Can’t, alas, I’m a dog person and the cats wouldn’t stand fir it. Cat-and-dog existence and all that. Thanks for the offer, though!
BTW, if you also like dogs and your heart needs warming, check out the ‘Olive and Mabel’, videos on You tube.

236370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 4, #7 of 2009 🔗

Well, no harm in asking. 😉 Wasn’t Eddie asking btw, it was me. 🙂

236380 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 15, #8 of 2009 🔗

Sorry. Didn’t intend to commit virtual bigamy.

236390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 2, #9 of 2009 🔗

😉

236571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 6, #10 of 2009 🔗

Olive and Mabel on zoom call; priceless.
I’ve also started getting hooked on Messi and Gerda…weird big cats in Russia.
; animals help big time.

237394 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #11 of 2009 🔗

I put down my last surviving cat at the end of August and embarked on life completely alone first time in 18 years. The days since then have been empty and a few of them as dark as it gets. I feel much better now with my new kids keeping me company!

238172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Eddie, 1, #12 of 2009 🔗

eddie, I have shared my own version of that feeling when being with one of my beloved dogs or cats (friends and loved ones, as they were to me). The new kids , as you are now blessed with enjoying, are wonderful though, aren’t they? Circle of life.

236391 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 1, #13 of 2009 🔗

Aaaaaah!

236397 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 1, #14 of 2009 🔗

Jealous? 😉

237378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to annie, 2, #15 of 2009 🔗

Thank you Annie, I will love them with all I got and then some!
A superspreader of sanity!! That’s a fantastic way of looking at it

236369 ▶▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Eddie, 9, #16 of 2009 🔗

I’m glad you have the cats – it’s hard to beat the purring answer to your scritches behind the ears and under the chin. Also, listening to the little noises as they eat the kibble you provide them is priceless.

237398 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Emily Tock, 1, #17 of 2009 🔗

Haha so true…I can hear them crunching away from my bed

236372 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Eddie, 13, #18 of 2009 🔗

Watch a few episodes of Simon’s Cat. It’s been keeping me sane lately

236381 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #19 of 2009 🔗

Yes, that cat is a tonic.

236454 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Eddie, 14, #20 of 2009 🔗

I’m very sorry to hear you’re having a bad day, Eddie. I can understand what you say about feeling that people look at you as a ‘likely superspreader with your evil bare face’ – it’s hard to understand how this version of the world has come to be.
I am glad to hear about your cats. They will soon have you nicely trained up in all their little preferences and ways. Cats are excellent line managers for their humans.

237406 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Alethea, #21 of 2009 🔗

Thank you Alethea…yes I will soon be a well trained servant attending to their every wish 😉

236521 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Eddie, 24, #22 of 2009 🔗

Eddie, you have a community here and we support you. Did you attend meetings before lockdown? Have you had any support from those members. Never hesitate to call one of the many organisations – Samaritans, Mind, AA, etc. – and ask specifically to talk to someone anti lockdown and anti mask. TALKING about it helps, I promise. Just today I realized another hideous aspect of masks is that – when you can’t see a person’s facial expression, your nervous system automatically goes into alert mode, triggering “fight or flight” and producing stress hormone. DO NOT LOOK AT MASKED FACES! For your safety. Look at the floor or to the side of someone. Eddie, you are not alone. So many people support you. I do for one. Stay strong. ONE DAY AT A TIME! Big virtual hug!

237487 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #23 of 2009 🔗

Hi CNC and thanks for replying. The addiction thing is pretty easy now. It’s the putting back together the pieces of my shattered life that I’m finding near impossible.
And I definitely agree – as brief as possible eye contact with maskers!
Thanks for the hug !! 🙂

237520 ▶▶▶▶▶ Choose_Life, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #24 of 2009 🔗

Yes and so true. I do not look at the masked faces at all. I and my husband who are always maskless, went to the park yesterday and were treated like lepers by a maskless woman who leapt so far away from us. Is this planet earth?

236567 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Eddie, 10, #25 of 2009 🔗

Enjoy your cats. Cats are loyal friends who make life worth living.

236611 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Eddie, 10, #26 of 2009 🔗

Well done and thanks for the encouragement. This forum is fantastic as well, thanks everyone.
Yesterday evening I was in a bad state and a reader here phoned me up and she has two cats, one sitting on her and the other I pretended was sitting on me. Worked a treat.

237440 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Rosie, #27 of 2009 🔗

Thanks Rosie. We definitely got each other, be it virtual or just over in the neighboring town. Meow meow hello from my two felines, Pele and Maggie

237467 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Eddie, 2, #28 of 2009 🔗

Meowwww ! Hi to Pele and Maggie, you’ll make a great family with Eddie 🙂 🙂

BTW Eddie, I’m involved in designing a local network support system, just working on the philosophy and having a design meeting on Thursday, hopefully, so hang on in there!

237486 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Rosie, #29 of 2009 🔗

That sounds wonderful Rosie!
Okay 9am here and I better get some work done. Have a good evening!

237508 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Eddie, 1, #30 of 2009 🔗

Hope your day goes well, Eddie.
We’re trying to make the design replicable up to any scale. It’ll need IT backup if you know anyone (we have got one, hopefully he’ll be free on Thursday).

236636 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Eddie, 16, #31 of 2009 🔗

Good morning Eddie.

I can only second the other comments here encouraging you on. As someone who has found this lockdown hard, I can only sympathise with you especially as I’ve been harboring dark thoughts over the past few months.

With this lockdown, I’m not complying. I am out and about away from my neighbourhood as much as I can for the sake of my mental health and as for those with masks, I simply ignore them – taking a book with me on public transport is useful as I don’t have to see the muzzled faces. Plus I managed to get Mr Bart to stop wearing a face covering when we’re together saying that half the time I can’t understand him and that it causes me distress.

Stay strong and all the best!

237447 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Bart Simpson, #32 of 2009 🔗

Thanks and same to you and Mr BS 🙂

236836 ▶▶▶▶ mm99, replying to Eddie, 4, #33 of 2009 🔗

Hi Eddie, really sorry to hear you’re having a bad day. God knows we all have them more now – the masked brigade is a drag.

Get out there and show your face.

237471 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to mm99, 1, #34 of 2009 🔗

Will do!

236845 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddie, 5, #35 of 2009 🔗

Eddie, if you feel alien, it’s because the bemuzzled have been deprived of their humanity! You’re the real human here.

Try not to despair. Enjoy the autumn colours, which are stunning this year.
Enjoy your cats. Find things that make you smile or, even better, laugh.

I recommend Alice’s Diary:The Memoir of a Cat by Vernon Coleman to get you trained ready for your two felines and give you a few gentle chuckles.
For belly laught, I recommend the Dublin Trilogy (all five books!) by Caimh McDonnell. A Man with one of those faces is the first in the series. Nobody can possibly read about Bunny McGarry and feel miserable.
If you have a Kindle, they’re all available on Kindle Unlimited.

237458 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #36 of 2009 🔗

Many thanks Cheezilla…I definitely need a good laugh and your recommendations sound perfect. Cheers!

237056 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Eddie, 5, #37 of 2009 🔗

Best wishes Eddie, you have friends here.

236389 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #38 of 2009 🔗

Love that name btw

236325 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Bailie, 4, #39 of 2009 🔗

Good morning. I assume it’s another Covid groundhog day!

236337 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to JoeBlogg, 12, #40 of 2009 🔗

Not quite.Every day the resistance builds.

236440 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bailie, #41 of 2009 🔗

Good morning!!!

236529 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Bailie, 5, #42 of 2009 🔗

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236323 Chris John, #43 of 2009 🔗

Thriced

236324 JoeBlogg, replying to JoeBlogg, 15, #44 of 2009 🔗

“I keep on fighting for the things I want
Though I know that when you’re dead you can’t But I’d rather be a free man in my grave Than living as a puppet or a slave”

– Jimmy Cliff 1972 –

236329 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to JoeBlogg, 5, #45 of 2009 🔗

Nice!!!
“I’d rather be a free man in my grave Than living as a puppet or a slave”
Had this line on my Insta bio for the past month…exactly how we all should feel right now.

236338 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eddie, 34, #46 of 2009 🔗

I’d rather be a free woman and live, and see the totalitarian scum into their graves.

236574 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 5, #47 of 2009 🔗

Right on sister. That’s the attitude we should all have.

236587 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JoeBlogg, 17, #48 of 2009 🔗

Not quite true. Apparently when you are dead you can vote for Biden. 😉

236652 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #49 of 2009 🔗

(Several times).

236328 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 29, #50 of 2009 🔗

Andrew Neil and statistician David Spiegelhalter – The Week in 60 Minutes #10 | SpectatorTV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDBJjaCh2k

Neil speaks to Spiegelhalter from about 33:30. Watch it if you like (to get angry).

35:30 – He says the tiers were working while ignoring the fact that the ‘case’ numbers were coming down, even while the politicians were still arguing about money, and before the tiers were brought in.

I was really disheartened to hear Spiegelhalter defend the figures being produced by the government; he talks as if the figures for ‘cases’, admissions’, and ‘deaths’ are all REAL .

Everyone know they’re bollocks!

35:50 – He says the current 25,000 ‘cases’ per day “ is absolutely certain to lead to “, in 2 weeks to 2,500
‘admissions’ per day which, in turn, will lead to 500 deaths a day.

He even tells Fraser Nelson (re. the discredited 50,000 cases graph), “ …don’t keep on dragging it out… ” as it’s “ …unfair to the scientists… ” What a complete prick!

It appears he is not only a statistician; he’s also an epidemiologist!

He says all the talk about false positives is “ complete nonsense and utter misinformation “, and reckons the rate is “ much less than 1 in 2,000

It keeps coming: “ The PCR test is pretty good, even for mass testing…

There, you don’t need to watch it now!

Highly respected statistician? My arse! I wouldn’t trust this knob to count my fingers and give me the right answer!

Fully bought man! On the fucking list!

236434 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Ceriain, 5, #51 of 2009 🔗

He’s actually fantastic, he’s the guy who uncovered Harold Shipman using data, and his book about statistics is fantastic for the layman. But, yeah, this doesn’t appear to be his finest hour.

236495 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Recusant, 4, #52 of 2009 🔗

Presumably in the past, health service data was more trustworthy (even if Shipman wasn’t).

236594 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Recusant, 5, #53 of 2009 🔗

Perhaps because he caught Shipman through data he thinks that is the whole story. He doesn’t have the biologists’ appreciation of what constitutes ‘Garbage In, Garbage Out’ in this instance.

236680 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Recusant, 1, #54 of 2009 🔗

Yes well, he certainly was fantastic, but has gradually turned. He’s funded by an independent outfit with lots of money. I’ve tried them a couple of times and suggest that they would be a good target for letters. Try to stop the rot before it gets worse.

236489 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ceriain, 6, #55 of 2009 🔗

I was aware of him early on in this disaster. Yes, he analyses data, but has a tendency to not ask too deeply about the trustworthiness of the data – or he sometimes does that separately without combining the two concepts at the same time. Very frustrating.

This thing about the 1-in-2000 false positives: I keep seeing someone in the Spectator comments making the same mistake. They’re referring to the infections-per-hundred-thousand figures that you see being quoted, assuming that this must be the number of positive tests divided by the number of tests. If this is 1-in-2000 then that surely puts an upper limit on the number of false positives, right? Well, no. I think those figures are in reality the number of positive results for a city divided by the population in the city – or something similar. The denominator is fixed, so the figure scales with number of tests done and will be lower than the false positive rate.

In a true randomised test, you’d divide the number of positives by the number of tests carried out and quote that as a fraction. If you wanted to then convert that to infected-per-hundred thousand, you’d multiply it by 100,000. People (Spiegelhalter, too?) are assuming that that is how these figures are derived. I don’t think so. The tests are not truly randomised in that the saps who queue up to be tested are self-selecting, so perhaps that is why the authorities are using this other method. And it has the benefit for them that they can cause spikes and surges at will by modulating the testing effort.

236330 Sceptic Hank, replying to Sceptic Hank, 68, #56 of 2009 🔗

The interview with Sir Desmond Swayne made an interesting point. Anyone as high profile and outspoken as he is would normally receive hundreds of letters from both dissenters and supporters – yet he can count the dissenters on one hand. Why?

If 60% of us really delight in being locked up, and are thrilled to destroy the economy for generations to come, then why aren’t more people objecting to what he is saying?

I suspect that the polls, once again, have deceived us into thinking that it’s a majority belief, hoping that many will just go along with it. And many do out of respect.

It’s a classic psychological persuasion technique, and given that the government has used these before with absolute impunity, I would not be at all surprised if the UK polls regarding lockdown support are completely rigged.

236333 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sceptic Hank, 39, #57 of 2009 🔗

Local Live
‘Spooky pictures of deserted City centre streets during lockdown’.

Not from what I’ve observed during 4 days of lockdown 2 which is a surprisingly high footfall given that hardly anything is open in the city centre. Mostly unmasked so presumably not scared of the Covid this time

Most of the photos are taken within two privately owned shopping centres which have Security Guards to bar entry
and the one of an actual street was clearly taken very early in the day.

Propaganda through and through, time for boris and his pirate regime to go.

236335 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Sceptic Hank, 5, #58 of 2009 🔗

Rigged by our own side.. and likely also infiltrated by outside regimes…

236355 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sceptic Hank, 30, #59 of 2009 🔗

Opinion polls operate on the same objective, bias-free basis as Mrs Merton when she asked Debbie McGee, “So what first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?”

It could be, first question to narrow down the base: “Have you heard about the government’s policy of lockdown as a way of saving lives and protecting the NHS during the current pandemic that has killed over 250 million thousand people in Liverpool alone?”

Respondent: “Yes, Mr Pollster, I have.”

“Do you support the government’s policy of lockdown?”

They’re subtler than that, I suppose, but probably not much. The US election result is merely the latest evidence that polls are about as scientific as mask edicts, and likewise best ignored.

236357 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #60 of 2009 🔗

Totally unscientific. I wish I could get hold of those leading questions!!

236582 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Sceptic Hank, 12, #61 of 2009 🔗

I suspect that many here have been involved in commissioning polls and PR campaigns. The first question the agency asks is ‘what’s your goal this time?’. Then the poll/questionnaire/campaign is designed to provide the answers to support the goal. 101.
‘Don’t worry, we can get any answer you want to install the fear and compliance you want, dear client’.

236584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #62 of 2009 🔗

Instil not install

236392 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #63 of 2009 🔗

Exactly. If I had a dollar for every “survey” I’ve looked at, only to close, because it was clear what result they were seeking with a lot of “when did you stop beating your wife?” -style questions.

236686 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #64 of 2009 🔗

Polls are a propaganda tool. This is known and even has a name (voter suppression).

237548 ▶▶▶▶ jsampson45, replying to Rosie, #65 of 2009 🔗

Can you give a reference? Wikipedia on “voter suppression” does not mention opinion polls as far as I can see.

236450 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sceptic Hank, 25, #67 of 2009 🔗

That’s why I’ve never trusted the polls, I’ve always thought they were rigged and the way the questions are structured are manipulative which push respondents to answer in a way the pollsters want to hear.

The MSM as always are still up to their dirty tricks. I saw a tweet from the USA’s ABC news claiming that the fireworks in the UK were due to Biden being elected, myself and other people pointed out that we have a tradition called Bonfire Night, not everything is about America and that the vast majority of the British people couldn’t give a stuff about the presidential elections.

236473 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #68 of 2009 🔗

It could be the questions but if caught they would come up as misleading which is illegal. I rather think it is the size of the sample, and the difficulty in selecting the right sample ie that represents the country as a whole, because it’s not as easy to pick who will be for and against a Lockdown. Political leanings tend to be demographically based and have historical data. Could you have known who was going to be a Lockdown Bedwetter? I’ve been surprised many times.

236551 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sceptic Hank, 10, #69 of 2009 🔗

I used to fill out surveys and they find a way of filtering out people such as getting you to add your post code, mention what your age group is, gender, etc. If you refuse to answer those questions or they decide they already have more than enough respondents in your respective groups, then you get kicked out.

236477 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #70 of 2009 🔗

America deserves their new far left geriatric president I also do not want to see our Government kowtow to him either, it looks like Joe has an attitude problem with us like Obama did I do not care personally

236641 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Adam, 10, #71 of 2009 🔗

I never understood why successive governments have always gone on & on about the “special relationship”, it is nothing of the sort. If anything Harold Macmillan was more on the money when he likened the UK to the Greeks trying to civilise the USA’s Rome.

Fast forward to today, they don’t really need us. Far better in my opinion if we stuck to Palmerston’s dictum that there are no permanent allies or enemies only permanent interests. Its time we got rid of this craven kowtowing to the USA and the chattering classes’ pathological obsession with American politics and culture.

236460 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sceptic Hank, 8, #72 of 2009 🔗

timeforrecovery.org commissioned a poll and found much more opposition to lockdown than any other poll has reported. Sorry I can’t find a link now. If I had enough spare money I would get a few decent polls designed and executed, to take some of the guesswork about what messages to focus on and to know the true extent of what we face.

236469 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Julian, 6, #73 of 2009 🔗

They often poll only about 1000 people out of 67 million for these YouGovs. They are supposed to be representative of every region….but seriously?

236580 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Sceptic Hank, 12, #74 of 2009 🔗

I did one that asked “Should the Government protect lives or protect the economy?” Obviously designed to make people feel a heartless granny killer if they answered the latter.

237024 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to Sceptic Hank, 7, #75 of 2009 🔗

Yes, the polls are wrong. I signed up to Yougov and their polls are extremely loaded. They do not give any options to object to lockdown most of the time, and load their questions with ‘facts’ beforehand in many cases. Nothing but a pro-lockdown and pro-mask campaigning machine (like the BBC)

237134 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #76 of 2009 🔗

That was my impression too!

237522 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Sceptic Hank, 4, #77 of 2009 🔗

I think lockdown, Great Reset, climate change and AI zealous Gens Y and Z have brainwashed many of their parents and grandparents.
Most are ignorant of the consequences and/or think they won’t be on the losers side.
From history, I can tell you who will lose the most eventually though, and they don’t fathom that at all, yet:
all soldiers, policemen, teachers, bin collectors, civil servants etc. and all state and final salary pensioners.
They were in the poorhouse in Germany from 1945-1975, as the state could only spend what the private sector earned, and as it couldn’t borrow much, and that only at high rates, for a generation.
Serves them well.
Plus ca change….

236398 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to John Stone, 7, #79 of 2009 🔗

Safe and effective, Why do the inserts list 100s of side effects then? But the propaganda does look silly though, depicting Boris as an ape after taking it. Better to take the Russian one that’s made of Smirnoff Vodka 🙂

236432 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Sceptic Hank, 12, #80 of 2009 🔗

They are not worried about daft Russian propaganda – I submitted evidence about this to the Fake News Inquiry three years ago – they are about worried ordinary citizens swapping legitimate information.

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/fake-news/written/76219.html

The moves were set in motion, shamefully through the Spectator, by Seth Berkley. the head of the global vaccine cartel (GAVI) in 2017.

https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2449/rr-13

They have been working on it ever since.

https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/02/uk-law-commissioner-threatens-criminal-action-against-vaccine-critics.html

Lots of people who ought to know better.

236552 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs S, replying to John Stone, 6, #81 of 2009 🔗

Thanks for this, John. It’s wonderful to see you commentimg here.

Those of us who have watched the machinations of the vaccine cartel over long periods have not been shocked by any of this.

236583 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Mrs S, 6, #82 of 2009 🔗

Mrs S

Thank you! However, I promise you I am shocked to the core by all of it notwithstanding having predicted last November that we were on the edge of some global catastrophic turning point

https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/10/the-id2020-alliance-the-global-totalitarian-project-hiding-behind-the-vaccine-drive.html

I said it and moved on, and then it caught up with us all.

236554 ▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, 7, #83 of 2009 🔗

PS In my experience when people exchange information about vaccination on the web it is mostly genuine data, Patient Information Leaflets, studies, published government data, FOIs, maybe personal experiences. What I have never seen is Russian cyber-junk. Once or twice I saw stupid stories from Newspunch or something and suggested to people that they were not well sourced and should not be used. But what the government is worried about is the hard data, a lot of which is damning. Obviously, this awful present episode will make people ask many more questions about what public health is generally up to. I feel very sad about it.

236694 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to John Stone, #84 of 2009 🔗

Hi John, are you working with Reiner Fuellmich’s group?

236838 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Rosie, 2, #85 of 2009 🔗

We published a transcript of his video on our website
https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/10/reiner-fuellmich-crimes-against-humanity-transcript.html
I don’t know whether it is the right legal approach (no doubt there should be several), but it is interesting.

237049 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to John Stone, 2, #86 of 2009 🔗

My multilingual friend who lived in German for over 40 years is taking it very seriously indeed, They are working with a great many others and I think the UK legal people are way behind them.

What it needs, IMO, is a groundswell of popular support. These destroyers need to start feeling frightened.

Although they are receiving huge numbers of emails, they are actively looking for more people to work on this. I think you should be sending them your information, and please be sure to have it securely printed and backed up.

Awkward Git here also sends his FOI info to them and to Mina Dew. I hope his stuff is secure as well.

Fuellmich and associates also want translators if your JF person wants to contact them.

There’s a new report/open letter out from ACU2020 as well that needs translating urgently. Ask you translator to contact Paul Gregory here please http://www.klasseverantwortung.de/index.html

237180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Rosie, 1, #87 of 2009 🔗

Thanks!

236910 ▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to John Stone, 4, #88 of 2009 🔗

I see that article about the UK Law Commissioner threatening criminal action against vaccine critics is from 1st February. What foresight she had !

236984 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to nat, 3, #89 of 2009 🔗

Yes, and the Prime Minister has been abusing vaccine critics like none before him

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-systemic-patient-abuse-and-state-repression/

236943 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to John Stone, 3, #90 of 2009 🔗

so happy to find i’m not the only vc sceptic, thanks for posting this !!

236774 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Sceptic Hank, 5, #91 of 2009 🔗

The SmPC for an established vaccine considers reports of adverse effects in millions of patients being treated. You will see most side effects listed with a frequency “not known”, which euphemistically means “there have been a tiny number of reports of this, perhaps only 2 or 3”. Note also that these are not necessarily related to the vaccine. They could be a genuine side effect, or could be just a coincidence.

The number of potential side effects listed isn’t really that important, because most of them are rare, so rare that in many cases it is not even possible to establish a causal relationship. You don’t – this is important – need any solid evidence for a listed adverse effect to be actually causally related. With products administered to millions of people manufacturers are keen to ensure there is limited risk of any accusation that they are “hiding” an adverse effect, because that creates liability issues, so the labelled side effects grow.

It’s generally true of vaccines that mild, time-limited side effects are fairly common, and severe side effects vanishingly rare. This will probably be true of any covid vaccine, but it is still highly irresponsible for politicians to pre-empt the studies and claim (by insinuation) that any covid vaccine will be safe. Or even effective. We just don’t know either of those things yet and won’t know until large-scale studies are completed.

At the very least, politicians bleating about how good and safe the corona vaccines are now, before there is any data in at all, hardly increases public trust in the vaccines once they are available. That’s before we even start to think about whether it is worth any kind of population-wide vaccination against this. I tend to think it is (1) too late in Europe/US and (2) the consequence of covid is too low to be worth the cost. Vaccination might be valuable in Australia and New Zealand. Covid lethality is comparable to that of the other endemic coronaviruses against which we don’t vaccinate. We are only noticing this one because it is making its first pass through the population.

236947 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Commander Jameson, 1, #92 of 2009 🔗

er is a side effect not an injury. it’s the side effects that produce the injury. ???

237152 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to right2question, 1, #93 of 2009 🔗

Good question.
Are side effects temporary while permanent negative effects are clearly damage?

237203 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Cheezilla, #94 of 2009 🔗

Yes, but of course no one in the NHS would be keen to suggest a side effect would cause an injury. Where would it end if they started listening to parents instead of branding them as “antivaxxers”.

237579 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Cheezilla, #95 of 2009 🔗

OK, let’s slow down. Side effects, injuries, permanent negative effects, damage, the terminology is getting confusing. Let’s use what is used in the industry, there is only one term, “adverse effect”. It’s used for any “negative” incidents that occur to the patient in a clinical trial, and by analogy in the safety monitoring that has to be done for all products on the market (pharmacovigilance).

The adverse effect may have been caused by the product, or it may not have been. It’s often difficult to tell. It may be severe, or not, and it may go away after a while, or it may last a long time, perhaps even until you are dead. Such permanent effects are very rare for most products. Any adverse effects need to be weighed up against the benefit of the product, at the time of licensing, and by the physician and patient upon deciding to treat. Obviously if you have terminal cancer and there is a drug that will extend your life for 6 months, both the authorities and patients tend to accept a rather higher burden of adverse effects than for, say, a vaccine administered to a healthy child.

Vaccines are overwhelmingly safe. Because bad things happen anyway, and millions of people receive vaccines every year it is always possible to find someone who had some terrible event shortly after receiving a vaccine, but it is really difficult to either show there is a causal relationship, or rule one out.

What concerns me here is the rush to judgment of the authorities, that the vaccines are both safe (extremely likely even though we don’t know yet) and effective (less likely) before any data is even published. These unscientific clowns will no doubt also rush into mandating or coercing a global vaccination programme, which will probably achieve very little, other than to be accompanied by the data collection exercise that seemed to be suspiciously well planned at a very early stage in the pandemic. Countries that have isolated themselves are the ones that will need widespread vaccination, not Europe or the US.

The efficacy – well, the 90% being touted looks like a relative risk, which can be misleading since it only considers the numbers getting infected. It means 10 times more patients were infected in the placebo arm than in the treatment arm, which is not actually a lot of difference given the very low number of infections in both arms. the >99% of patients who were not infected in the placebo arm (at least over the current duration of the study) will have obtained no benefit from the vaccination, and this magnifies the weight of any safety issues. Of those, if we accept Yeadon’s arguments (which I find convincing) then perhaps 30% of those are still at risk of infection, and running the trial for longer you will see more infections in both groups, but disproportionately in the placebo group.

I also think infection (depending on how they have assessed it) is a reasonable proxy for harm from the disease. Not infected = zero possibility of becoming seriously ill or dying.

And more detail is needed – we need to look at the vulnerable subgroups – if any were even recruited. It’s ethically very difficult to include care-dependent patients in a trial, but apparently it might be OK to forcibly vaccinate them… We know common coronaviruses kill around 5% of care-dependent elderly who get infected, this new one is the same. Is the vaccine as effective in that high-risk target group?

237848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Commander Jameson, #96 of 2009 🔗

Moderna’s vaccine has generally been described as “safe” even though they had four grade 3 events in their Phase I on healthy subjects. Grade 3 means “requires hospital treatment”, one level below life-threatening. That’s unlikely to be the public’s idea of “safe”!

238009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to AfterAll, #97 of 2009 🔗

No, grade 3 does not necessarily mean “requiring hospital treatment”, an AE requiring hospital treatment would be labelled as “serious”, which is a separate axis from the severity scale. I’ve been doing this every day for some 20 years, been involved in some way with at least 100 clinical trials, so there’s no point trying to bamboozle me.

As the deaths from/with covid are rightly criticised for being free of context, so is saying “N events of grade X”. What’s the denominator? How many patients? Were they grade 3 “got hit by a car” where we can rule out with some confidence that there is a relation to the product?

We skeptics rightly criticise the lockdowners for cherry-picking. Let’s not descend to the lockdowners’ level.

238119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Commander Jameson, #98 of 2009 🔗

Touché! I count a total of 45 subjects (aged 18-55) in their Phase I press release: https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-positive-interim-phase-1-data-its-mrna-vaccine Adverse events were 1x grade 3 erythema and 3x grade 3 systemic symptoms . “ All adverse events have been transient and self-resolving. No grade 4 adverse events or serious adverse events have been reported.”

238354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Commander Jameson, #99 of 2009 🔗

There’s more detail in their NEJM paper https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483#figures_media including the other mild-to-moderate adverse events. Personally I’d rather take my chances with COVID-19.

237108 ▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Commander Jameson, 3, #100 of 2009 🔗

No, because in almost no case are the sequelae seriously monitored with a marketed vaccine but side effects are often frequent and unpleasant – likely will be according to reports with the Covid vaccines. Many PILs list frequent unpleasant side effects. In the case of the Bexsero Men B vaccine, for example, which we give to infants 3 times each shot carries an up to 1 in 1000 risk of Kawasaki disease which if you give to 600,000 infants a year is not negligible.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-2

But for all vaccines there is a serious absence of double blind safety studies against genuine placebo.

https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l4291/rr-37

A lot of the fury is directed at the public because the officials cannot answer and the science is often half-baked. It may be particularly half-baked in the case of the new Covid vaccines. As of the present today I see that Pfizer are claiming 90% effectiveness at preventing cases of the disease but there is no end point for mortality.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

We have the prospect of people having unpleasant side effects who might have only had a mild or asymptomatic version of the disease. Of course, the long term effects are completely unstudied.

237665 ▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to John Stone, 1, #101 of 2009 🔗

The labelling of Kawasaki disease with Bexsero is based on a clinical trial incidence of 0.12% versus 0.07% (over the duration of the study). There might be a real effect, and maybe there is even a causal relationship. Certainly the manufacturers and regulators agree it is sufficiently probable to label it. It’s licensed because meningitis is a terrible, and terribly common thing to get as a baby (definitely worse than the, admittedly unpleasant but overly scary-sounding Kawasaki disease), but is not actually in widespread use here in Germany, or I understand in the UK, ironically because the evidence for efficacy is quite limited.

You don’t need a mortality endpoint if you are preventing the thing that might cause the mortality. A more effective line of attack would be to point out that you would have to do an unfeasibly enormous study to see a mortality effect (which is why they are not doing it), because covid simply isn’t that lethal, at least in the kind of population that typically gets recruited to this kind of trial. And if your number needed to treat to prevent 1 death in the US/European population is, say, 8,000 (my ball-park guesstimate from combining Yeadon’s immunological argument with the IFR in patients <65), this rather raises the question of why we are bothering with a vaccine in the first place. Meningitis kills closer to 1 in 10, maybe more, infants who get infected, and leaves many more with permanent disabilities, which is why a vaccine is available.

238088 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Commander Jameson, #102 of 2009 🔗

Kawasaki will kill or lead to premature death if not recognised and treated. Families are not being told to look out for it, but everyone who asked to give their child that vaccine ought to be warned. It is a lot more common than Men B wich is of course the absolute nightmare scenario, no question.

236864 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #103 of 2009 🔗

Safe and effective, Why do the inserts list 100s of side effects then?

Vaccine Damage Payment

“If you’re severely disabled as a result of a vaccination against certain diseases, you could get a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000. This is called a Vaccine Damage Payment.”

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

£120k payoff won’t get very far looking after a vaccine disabled child/adult for the rest of their lives. Also extremely difficult to prove as the majority of doctors believe that vaccines are inherently safe and you need their sign off to claim.

UK plans to use AI to process adverse reactions to Covid vaccines (paywall)

“A government contract shows the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Authority has paid a software company called Genpact UK £1.5m to develop an AI to to “process the expected high volume of…”

https://www.ft.com/content/17a306cd-be75-48b4-996e-0c2916b34797

Always read the package insert for side effects prior to deciding whether getting a vaccine or take prescribed medication.

237141 ▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Victoria, 1, #104 of 2009 🔗

In 2009 the MHRA failed to detect the association between the Pandemrix swine flu vaccine and narcolepsy. Nine years later when writing to BMJ they were completely unrepentant about it:

https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-11

237194 ▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Victoria, 1, #105 of 2009 🔗

There is in fact a legal obligation on the NHS/government to inform patients of the full range side-effects/harms following the Montgomery vs Lanarkshire Appeal of 2013-15, but one would imagine infrequently observed.

https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-11

238230 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, 1, #106 of 2009 🔗

Don’t take any vaccine.

236402 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to John Stone, #107 of 2009 🔗

First link doesn’t work

236418 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Sceptic Hank, 1, #108 of 2009 🔗

Try again – just worked for me through the site.

236879 ▶▶ nat, replying to John Stone, 14, #109 of 2009 🔗

I thought that Daily Mail article was a spoof it is so outrageous. I loved one of the comments:

Imagine a virus so deadly, you need a test to see if you have it. Imagine a vaccine so safe and effective you have to threaten and force people to take it. Imagine a product so safe that the manufacturers have to be exempt from prosecution for all the harm their product will cause?

238171 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to nat, #110 of 2009 🔗

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236332 chaos, 5, #111 of 2009 🔗

yeah yeah Toby.. but Great Reset, Great Reset, Great Reset, Great Reset…

236334 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 18, #112 of 2009 🔗

First article:

So there you have it. The reason we’ve gone into lockdown is because of staff shortages within some NHS trusts thanks, in part, to the false positive rate of the PCR test and the over-zealous enforcement of

quarantining for those who’ve come into contact with “positive” cases.

Toby; I love what you have done re. the lockdown; giving us this site, giving people somewhere to share information and advice; giving hope to a lot of people, and to others, some comfort.

But as for the above: nope, not buying it! Not buying it for a single second!

If absenteeism in a couple of areas was an issue, their Tier system, that they tell us was working, would have dealt with that.

Also, if it were true, they wouldn’t have dragged Stevens out last week telling us all this was a national issue.

Whitty and Vallance told us last Saturday about deaths in the thousands (I’m aware that’s been debunked and they’ve gone back on it), hospitals all over England being overrun with patients, a shortage of ICU beds everywhere .

It doesn’t explain the need to lock us inside the country (no international travel); or the need to shut hospitality everywhere ; or the need to close unessential shops, gyms, sports facilities everywhere ; or giving the Police powers to terrorise the population…

That list is not exhaustive!

Sorry, not buying Johnson and his crooks being “anxious” one iota!

Oh, and by the way – 2nd story: ‘covid patients’ actually should read ‘patients who have tested positive for covid’; the two are NOT the same thing!

236339 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 8, #113 of 2009 🔗

Tony also seems to be suggesting that local lockdowns ‘work’.
Bollocks to that, and all.

236340 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 9, #114 of 2009 🔗

A reason it was made national was to avoid making it look as though the Midlands and the North were being picked on.
Johnson will know that lockdown 2 has nothing like the support that LD1 had so probably authorised the Police (whoever it is wearing their uniform these days) to get punchy.

It’s typical of how out of touch he is, that London Million Mask March has been going on for years on the very date bozo chose impose his incoherent whim on us again and actually encourages wearing masks of the V For Vendetta variety, what a knob.

236481 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 5, #115 of 2009 🔗

Johnson is unlikely to be in office much longer

236590 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Adam, 1, #116 of 2009 🔗

Amen to that.

236617 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #117 of 2009 🔗

When He concludes Brexit or the Conservative party declares him a liability or the British public get fed up with him, that’s 3 scenarios I see that end with him being removed

236341 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 11, #118 of 2009 🔗

Apologies for answering myself (too late to edit above post), but re. the 2nd article above:

Given that Johnson and his cabal (and I include the CMO and CSO in that) would have had access to all that NHS data, it kills stone dead the ‘ anxiety ‘ argument. They KNEW there was no crisis! They still know it !

Oh, if you want to find Covid Discharge numbers, you can find them here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Covid-Publication-08-10-2020v3.xlsx

That file includes Covid Discharges from 19th March to 30th September. Next version is due out on November 12th.

Also in that document you can find the number of people who were ‘physically’ admitted into hospital (Admissions Total Tab); the fake admissions (i.e those tested while in hospital) is found in the Diagnoses Total tab.

The sum of the two is what they release on the Gov.uk page each day. See here for confirmation: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272

Not that hard to find; I’ve been posting it on here for weeks. 🙂

236378 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 4, #119 of 2009 🔗

‘physically admitted’? Were the rest mentally admitted?

236384 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 2, #120 of 2009 🔗

Stop it! You know what I meant. 😉

237161 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, #121 of 2009 🔗

Thaks for this Ceriain.

236356 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Ceriain, 5, #122 of 2009 🔗

I think the shortage of qualified NHS staff argument is very plausible. There’s a worldwide shortage of good doctors and nurses at the moment and there was nobody to service the Nightingales. They are anxious because they will look like idiots if hospitals are overrun (wouldn’t take much), plus they would have to admit that decades of a badly run NHS, low wages etc etc has caused this.

236361 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sceptic Hank, 11, #123 of 2009 🔗

They wouldn’t admit it. They’d say the crisis was entirely the fault of people who aren’t obeying The Rules.

236371 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to annie, 8, #124 of 2009 🔗

Unless you are a BLM or ER protestor, of course

236677 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Sceptic Hank, 2, #125 of 2009 🔗

But that is obeying the Rules.
The Rules are not the Law, but the ‘lawfare’ or weaponisation of the mind and of communication to deliver an outcome, to which life is sacrificed for a fantasy of control.
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/11/why-are-they-doing-this.html

236424 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Sceptic Hank, 36, #126 of 2009 🔗

My son is a cancer nurse and up until now has politely declined to discuss anything regarding the NHS but over the weekend after my rant about great reset ect he said exactly this to me he said it’s government arse covering they know any bad epidemic would show how much they’ve been cutting costs within the NHS over the last 30 + years it would over run the NHS and uncover how corrupt and badly run the NHS is

236431 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to tonyspurs, 20, #127 of 2009 🔗

Thought so. It has been bad planning, we have far fewer IC beds than most European countries and we don’t pay our nurses enough. Trying to call it ‘Our NHS’ just isn’t enough, I’m actually slightly terrified of getting really sick in the UK (touch wood I never do) and my experiences with most NHS GPs for minor complaints before I went private were abysmal.

236761 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptic Hank, #128 of 2009 🔗

Exactly this. Here in Northern Ireland we have one of the lowest ICU beds per head number in Europe.

236643 ▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to tonyspurs, 5, #129 of 2009 🔗

Here in the South West, the population has been swelling with no increase in hospital facilities or education places.Year on year there are appeals to keep away from A and E during the summer influx and every winter flu season, the same call. The money frittered away this year could have covered all these shortfalls.

236646 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to tonyspurs, 14, #130 of 2009 🔗

I worked in oncology for many years. The entire cancer industry (and it IS an industry) is worth billions and is a farce.

236793 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Mutineer, 11, #131 of 2009 🔗

I imagine that if you discovered a really cheap, easy and effective cure for cancer, you would be found naked in a zipped up holdall shortly afterwards.

236830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to stevie119, 5, #132 of 2009 🔗

Many great doctors found very effective treatments for cancers and they have been discredited, hounded out of their profession and some even killed.

Imagine all the people that died unnecessary of cancer

Case Dismissed! Texas Ends 15-Year Fight Against Cancer Doctor Burzynski

  • After a 15-year long battle, the Texas Medical Board has officially ended its crusade to revoke Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski’s medical license in an effort to end the use of his pioneering personalized gene-targeted therapy for cancer
  • Evidence has shown in the past that the FDA has pressured the Texas Medical Board to revoke Dr. Burzynski’s medical license—despite the fact that no laws were broken, and his treatment was proven safe and effective
  • The Texas Medical Board (TMB) has a long history of harassing doctors. The entire Board was sued by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) in 2007, citing an “institutional culture of retaliation and intimidation.” Legislation was also drafted in 2009 in an effort to clamp down on the abuses by the TMB, but the bill failed to be passed into law
  • Dr. Burzynski’s treatment also includes antineoplastons, which are peptides and derivatives of amino acids that act as molecular and genetic switches. They turn off oncogenes that cause cancer, and activate tumor suppressor genes
  • Once they’ve determined which genes are involved in the cancer, after extensive third-party genomic testing on both the cancer tissue obtained during biopsy as well as the patient’s blood, a custom formulation of FDA-approved gene-targeted drugs are then meticulously chosen to target that patients genes specially related to their cancer. Antineoplastons by themselves work on nearly 100 cancer-causing genes, while traditional gene targeted oncology agents like Avastin, are only proven to target a single gene. Typically, patients who participate in Burzynski’s personalized gene-targeted regimen also receive Phenylbutyrate, a metabolite of Burzynski’s original Antineoplaston invention.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/01/19/cancer-doctor-burzynski.aspx

237039 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Victoria, 4, #133 of 2009 🔗

It isn’t dissimilar to Covid-19. They have persuaded people they need to suffer to defeat cancer. People actually welcome chemo and wear their baldness as a badge of honour. I’ve seen patients actually vying to have the ‘worst’ sickness. Chemo kills more than it cures. It’s vile. I knew, long before I got cancer myself, that I would never have rt or chemo. I kept to that, despite the most appalling bullying. I now only have a yearly blood count although that is impossible now GP’s are hiding from the sick. The chemo supporters claim to be alive because of it but the millions killed don’t have a voice. Cancer is now purely a multi million dollar industry. Even the so called charities are milking us.

237423 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stevie119, 1, #134 of 2009 🔗

Not quite but they punished David Noakes for daring to cure cancer:

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/gcmaf-and-persecution-david-noakes-lyn-thyer-immuno-biotech

See also World Without Cancer by G.Edward Griffin – for some useful background info re Big Pharma, which fits very neatly with the covid agenda.
NB The first edition was published in 1997!

236708 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #135 of 2009 🔗

The PPP is the elephant in the room – except there is no partnership – but the fronting out of a Corporate Capture – that those who sold us to a predatory system, have a ‘stake’ in.
Cherished illusions become a democratic no-go area, and so the illusion becomes the trojan horse of our deceit.

The capture is where cartel monopoly becomes the means to set the science and the narratives for funding, development, and undermining of checks and balances to its agenda to which the population and social structure is framed in and fitted. The theme is not new. But Rockefeller ‘medicine’ is a significant, marker for a medical industrial complex.

We’ve been ‘had’. Far more deeply than we are for the most part ready to even consider. There is freedom to live the experience of our illusions, but not to make them true. A fake world is thus in truth, loveless – and must mask in virtue it does not have or embody – and protect its mask with outrage or grievance of offence. Freedom to choose self-illusion is also the freedom to release such a choice to let truth in, and break the terrible isolation that cannot really be escaped in a world of diversion and conflicted distraction.
Recognising a deceit is the basis for releasing it – not a basis for restating it in vengeance.

237018 ▶▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Binra, #136 of 2009 🔗

yesss

237239 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tonyspurs, #137 of 2009 🔗

So we have to trash the economy and our social fabric instead?
Partly plausible and definitely unsurprising – but doesn’t fully add up.

236494 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Sceptic Hank, 5, #138 of 2009 🔗

Yes: I think this is why Jeremy Hunt is always so very keen to shift ‘the narrative’ to the issue of testing. He was Secretary of State for Health and Social Care from 2012-2018.

236616 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Sceptic Hank, 6, #139 of 2009 🔗

The ‘second wave’ is clearly a mixture of normal winter pressures; staff shortages due to staff testing positive, staff being classed as ‘vulnerable’ and union pressure; endemic staff shortage because, for years, governments have brought them in from abroad instead of paying to train our own; and a fear of being sued for the deaths and inoperable cancers caused by the totally unnecessary shut down in the spring. The ‘second wave’ narrative was worked into the national consciousness because there was always a plan to deal with the NHS resource issue this way.
It is also clear that the same plan was hatched across most of Europe which makes a mockery of the supposedly adversarial Brexit negotiations.

236667 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Sceptic Hank, 2, #140 of 2009 🔗

I see the mind clinging to straws – in fact anything – to not recognise its condition or being delivered unto evil or malign and malicious intent.

The great fear that drives this may take different forms.
But is the underlying purpose in the form of control – which is fear, masked over and projected out, away from self.

The lure to wealth, power or fantasy fulfilment sets up it target for an invested identity that cannot easily be escaped such that persisting in what has revealed itself entrapping and corrupt becomes a form of survival, or the lesser of evils.

This is clearly the behaviour of those who front out lies knowingly, who persist in insane and unreasoned word and deed knowingly – and present any masking presentation that offers any plausible escape from open intent openly revealed.

They cannot say why they are acting as they are and yet the belief in the mask that protects from such exposure is all they have to save them from a greater fear than delivering us to evils they thereby hope to delay or mitigate or escape for themselves.

Are we all in ‘Fear’ together?
No – we are all in fear, apart – and set against our self and each other.

So without us knowing exactly what and who they are afraid of – we project our fear into the ‘Room 101’ of not knowing. (Orwell 1984 ref).

Orwell and others are said to have warned us.
But does fear seeking to warn, actually operate as predictive programming?
Because it transmits or replicates the core problem under the mask of seeking a solution, that goes viral as a reinforcement to the mask of virtue, while undermining the awareness of connection to a quality of living that is the ground and being of love extended in recognition and gratitude.

Lack of love is a hollowness generated by the masking over of fear. The hollow masked golem becomes the tool and subject of its denied fears under masking illusions that present as if to escape, fix, control or overcome them. It futility is not recognised within the wish to set power over fear – and thereby make it real as a thing to be escaped, overcome or managed – rather than faced, lived through and brought to a wholly present awareness.

Fear of losing our mind is the means by which … (Continued on)
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/11/why-are-they-doing-this.html

236739 ▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Binra, #141 of 2009 🔗

love this, will listen. thanks for posting.

237435 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Binra, 1, #142 of 2009 🔗

Orwell and others are said to have warned us.
But does fear seeking to warn, actually operate as predictive programming?

I’d argue that, on the whole, the sceptics have read Orwell but the sheeple haven’t.

236757 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #143 of 2009 🔗

2500 staff in Northern Ireland NHS are off due to Covid, either isolating or ill who knows. Then we might have a bunch on full pay who are vulnerable. Hundreds of police officers are also off as it goes.

236399 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Ceriain, 24, #144 of 2009 🔗

Just to mention, check the international travel bit, because once again it has been presented as a ban, mainly by misleading media headlines (deliberately done so)but really isn’t strictly defined as such. Even the DT, put out such a headline, and then later in the article claimed there was no such ban in legislation.
I had an email yesterday from Heathrow Airport, notifying me to check any restrictions on travel with a link to the government website. The section on travel mainly focuses on travel around the UK, and using alternatives such as walking and cycling. There is only one reference to foreign travel ‘if you need to travel abroad and are legally permitted to do so for example work’, but nowhere is there a list of what is ‘legally’ permitted. It seems that the so called ban on movement except for work, education or essentials, has been morphed to include all travel, unlike the first lockdown. However, in reality it is so vague and subjective that it is non-enforceable, just like the ‘reasonable excuse’.
Deliberate, I think so, so that when the fall out starts to get really messy, the government can just claim they never said you couldn’t, just avoid x,y,z. Remember Johnson, at the beginning, when he claimed he hadn’t told the schools to shut. So, I reckon if you want to travel, do so. No-one has been told they have to have proof to show for what reason they are travelling, and nowhere in the advice from Heathrow do they state that either, they just recommend checking goverment guidelines. Sorry, that was a bit of an essay.

236408 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nsklent, 12, #145 of 2009 🔗

Agree. I remember the horror stories about Greek authorities turning people around for not having documentation on landing. Got there, was waved straight through. I’d take it ALL with a pinch of salt, not just the health stuff.

236427 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nsklent, 1, #146 of 2009 🔗

Good to know; thank you for pointing that out. 👍🏻

Consider me corrected. 🙂

236465 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 8, #147 of 2009 🔗

It’s inconceivable that they are unaware about the unreliability of the test.This is the cause of ‘case numbers’ and quarantining of otherwise healthy staff.
Therefore Toby is being sold a pup.
They know this site is a Centre of opposition.What better way to neuter it than by feeding Toby false information..

236342 Mars-in-Aries, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 20, #148 of 2009 🔗

There was a time when we had fever hospitals, where those with infectious diseases went. Then it was decided in the name of efficiency and cost saving to close those hospitals and integrate fever patients into general hospitals. Large general hospitals was more efficient on resources. Now, the problem is that hospitals are themselves becoming centres of infection – something which was entirely predictable.
But here’s the thing. The NHS did not sell off those old fever hospitals. They are still there, repurposed for the most part. I can only think it does not suit the management elite in the NHS to do the obvious thing and have Covid isolation hospitals, leaving the general hospitals get on with their other work. They prefer to have the NHS on the brink of being overwhelmed so that they can claim more resources and more cash is needed….

236349 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 7, #149 of 2009 🔗

That was the obvious thing to do when they built the Nightingales but they fluffed it.

236352 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 9, #150 of 2009 🔗

Wasn’t there a dispute about none of the trusts wanting to be the ‘Covid’ hospital?

236343 annie, replying to annie, 15, #151 of 2009 🔗

The Welsh Supreme Soviet seems to be feeling that you can’t push people too far:

However, Mr Gething said: ‘If we breach trust with the public and extend the end of the firebreak, having been clear it would come to an end, I don’t think people would be prepared to trust the government again and go along with what we want people to do.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927009/Wales-prepares-come-lockdown-Minister-claims-infection-rates-plateauing.html

(Gething is Wales’s answer to Wancock, about equal to the latter in the repulsivity stakes.)

Gething, of course, assumes that the people trust the government now.
Well, the zombies do. But they’d happily follow the First Lemming over a 1000-foot cliff. Maybe there are more non-zombies in Gulag Wales than I, or the Soviet, suspected.

236344 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 7, #152 of 2009 🔗

trust the government again

Again? As you say, Annie; they don’t trust you now, you twat!

236346 Stephen, replying to Stephen, 83, #153 of 2009 🔗

I have zero sympathy with Johnson being “bounced” into ordering a lock down.

Makes me think of the hapless Lord Lucan, who ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade, after he followed an order that the aide de camp allegedly miscommunicated.

His excuse to Lord Raglan that evening was that he had simply followed the order. Raglan reminded him that he was a Lieutenant General, and as such responsible not just for obeying aides but for exerting judgment.

Johnson is clearly not up to the job and needs such a conversation.

236348 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stephen, 25, #154 of 2009 🔗

Needs the sack.

236351 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 21, #155 of 2009 🔗

In the olden days it would have been a pistol with one bullet and a decent whisky.

236353 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 15, #156 of 2009 🔗

Bad whisky would save the country money.

238051 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 2, #157 of 2009 🔗

He should be in the Tower.

236354 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Stephen, 21, #158 of 2009 🔗

It’s really not too late to fess up and do a U turn. This is all bullshit unless he reverses the decision. But it’s not up to him, is it? The economy hasn’t been trashed sufficiently for the Not So Great Reset, has it?

236359 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Stephen, 54, #159 of 2009 🔗

I am overall no great fan of Margaret Thatcher but can you imaging her being ‘bounced’ into a lock-down the way Johnson was? To me he looks increasingly awful every-time you see him, he reminds me of Father Jack from the TV programme Father Ted.
He is hugely let down by Hancock who barely has the managerial capacity to run a sock counter at a Department store. He should be the one bawling out the NHS and leading them to get their house in order, it should have been Hancock who clearly analysed the situation and advised Johnson that we do not have the full picture to make a lock-down decision. But he is the classic case of a poor manager promoted above his ability and unable to raise his game but is lost in a morass of micro-management with no overall vision or strategy and no confidence to lead in his own right.

236362 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #160 of 2009 🔗

Hancock would probably tell customers that his socks were actually beanies, even if they were bit small for their heads. He’d do it with a straight face too, ‘backed by the science’.

236374 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #161 of 2009 🔗

Jack? Hmmm…

236403 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 5, #162 of 2009 🔗

NUNS!!! NUNS!!!

236455 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #163 of 2009 🔗

GIRLS!!!!! GIRLS!!!! DRINK!!! DRINK!!! DRINK!!!

236669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #164 of 2009 🔗

ARSE !
FECK !
GIRLS !

236406 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #165 of 2009 🔗

I just realized what “Covfefe” meant when Trump tweeted it a few years ago. He’d had a dream of how it would all go horribly wrong. COVid, FEck Feck!

236626 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #166 of 2009 🔗

Thatcher would of known what she was doing even Blair who I dislike hugely

236965 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #167 of 2009 🔗

Feck, arse, nuns, ….gurls!

237481 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #168 of 2009 🔗

To me he looks increasingly awful every-time you see him,

Don’t forget he has a reputation for drunkenness. I’m sure he’s probably hungover much of the time nowadays.

236401 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Stephen, 1, #169 of 2009 🔗

Couldn’t agree more.

236407 ▶▶ Graham Strouts, replying to Stephen, 28, #170 of 2009 🔗

I agree. The Guardian had a piece detailing how he went out of his way to get the votes, calling every wavering new MP and pressuring them to support the lockdown. Entirely possible IMO that Johnson staged the leak himself to deflect blame.

236439 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Graham Strouts, 22, #171 of 2009 🔗

Yes, the buck stops with Johnson. He is too lazy and lacks critical thought so he accepts the bad advice too readily. If he has any hope whatsoever of salvaging his career, and I do doubt that, then he must sack Hancock, Whitty and Vallance

236572 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Graham Strouts, 20, #172 of 2009 🔗

As that weekend progressed, I was in little doubt that Johnson would announce a lockdown, and his announcement had an air of tragic inevitability about it. I’m entirely of the opinion that Johnson orchestrated the leak, and made it clear to Whitty and Vallance that they were expected to produce the most extreme figures and forecasts in justification. (I’m also of the belief that the introduction of similar restritions in France, Gemany etc. pressurised Johnson into following a similar lockdown narrative.)

236620 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Graham Strouts, 7, #173 of 2009 🔗

Or Cummings

236659 ▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Caroline Watson, 6, #174 of 2009 🔗

When Ferguson was revealed to be pinning a tail on his bit of grumble and the Mekon went walkabout that confirmed my scepticism.

236492 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Stephen, 11, #175 of 2009 🔗

There’s something Henry VIIIish about this. Johnson appears unaware of how shameful it is for someone in his position to be so easily bounced – over and over again. Henry VIII so desperate to get rid of Anne Boleyn he doesn’t see that the allegations against his wife reflect on him.

236771 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Ovis, 13, #176 of 2009 🔗

no moral compass. no centre. not grounded. as a student debating society he argued for no death penalty and then went back on and argued for death penalty (i read an account by someone that was there). he’s not got substance. it’s just ego and self interest.

237491 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to right2question, 1, #177 of 2009 🔗

Devoid of principles, obviously.

236530 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Stephen, 5, #178 of 2009 🔗

One day it might happen Steve!
 If you missed it in the round up our latest podcast is HERE!
A cautionary tale of the PCR Whooping Cough epidemic that never was. Many simularities to whats going on in our world now. Give it a listen!

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236537 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Stephen, 8, #179 of 2009 🔗

It’s easily within his gift to expand SAGE, replace his advisors, set up a Lockdown Revuew Group etc etc. Instead of shoring up the NHS with extra billions (including creation of an emergency auxiliary medical service) he’s squandered money on test and trace, PR consultancy fees and of course furlough.

236559 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to OKUK, 10, #180 of 2009 🔗

No the problem can’t be solved by expanding Sage. A casual glance at its last reported membership on Wikpepdia shows that it now has over 80 members, a huge proportion of whom have no credible claim to have relevant knowledge of viral illness. Whitty and Vallance control its membership and, by implication, the narratives it emits. I’m sure we can all understand why Johnson cannot sack his 2 principle adviors at the moment, but he does seem to have written them a blank cheque to construct a massive echo-chamber to amplify their own thoughts.

237500 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 1, #181 of 2009 🔗

…. he’s squandered money on test and trace, PR consultancy fees and of course furlough .

Rephrase as: he’s pumped billions into the pockets of Cabinet chums.

236624 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Stephen, 2, #182 of 2009 🔗

Johnson is the sort who would accidentally lead a infantry charge over a Cliff with Hancock Witty vallance cummins ferguson as the home guard

237479 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stephen, 1, #183 of 2009 🔗

Instead, the press took the “poor Boris was bounced against his will” route.

238048 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Stephen, 1, #184 of 2009 🔗

“Johnson is clearly not up to the job and needs such a conversation.” Bill Gates, whose greedy paws are sunk deep into the Pfizer vaccine, might not agree.

236347 annie, replying to annie, 25, #185 of 2009 🔗

Just read this in the Retail Gazette article:

The updated guidance stipulates that shops in England that have “sufficiently distinct parts” should close the areas selling non-essential items.
For example, grocery retailers can sell “non-essential” homeware if it is stocked on its aisles, but if the goods are on a separate floor, it must close off the area.
However, the guidance adds that shops are not required to cordon off particular aisles, which is what sparked the recent controversy in Wales when it went into a 17-day “firebreak” lockdown last month.

Beyond barmy. But the implications for supermarkets are, I should think, clear: put the knickers next to the baked beans, and the kettles next to the cucumbers, and you can sell what you like. Simples.

And message to bereft consumers: you don’t need loo paper if you’ve got the Grauniad.

236358 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to annie, 17, #186 of 2009 🔗

Bizarre. Books and other ‘non-essential’ items are essential during a lockdown. Unless you are the Nazi party, when burning them was deemed a good idea.

236363 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sceptic Hank, 24, #187 of 2009 🔗

Books are ALWAYS essential.

236364 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to annie, 11, #188 of 2009 🔗

Chocolate too

236366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sceptic Hank, 15, #189 of 2009 🔗

Weekly ration going up next week: 40g to 30g

236376 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 6, #190 of 2009 🔗

Ministry’s doing a fine job.
Boot production is up, too.

236463 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 14, #191 of 2009 🔗

Another way to kill the retail sector eh?

If the big shops follow this and suffer as a result, they will have only themselves to blame.

I’ve been amazed at how quickly the big retailers such as M&S, John Lewis, etc have been to commit suicide with their craven kowtowing to the government’s insane diktats and even over egging the pudding with their zealous implementation and more.

Then since June we have been hearing of more and more shops closing and making people redundant. Show that these so-called Covid safety measures have not been helpful at all far from it.

We should never have been in this situation and these retailers deserve everything they get.

236614 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #192 of 2009 🔗

The big stores have been toatally craven. maybe in March they had an excuse, but doesn’t anybody in big business smell a rat over the data by now?

236644 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #193 of 2009 🔗

Exactly. Surely they would have known that something has long been amiss and their decline in sales and footfall should have alerted them to the fact that no-one wants to be treated like a leper and that these so-called Covid “safety” measures are nothing but a bad joke.

236679 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #194 of 2009 🔗

The directors of big chains will surely have had the ‘great’ reset explained to them, and been asked/warned not to make a fuss ?

236683 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 2, #195 of 2009 🔗

The cynic in me also thought that the big retail chains thought that this would be their chance to hoover up small businesses. Forgetting that many of them were already in trouble and under pressure from online only businesses.

This crisis is only accelerating their demise.

236710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JohnB, 5, #196 of 2009 🔗

When they went Woke. That’s when they were bought out.
Woke, covid and climate change all from the same sources and all have the same purpose.

237512 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #197 of 2009 🔗

If they have an online shopping facility, they won’t care. Think of the overheads they’ll save!

238346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #198 of 2009 🔗

Don’t buy anything from the big online retailers. Put a dent in their profits.

238002 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Bart Simpson, #199 of 2009 🔗

I feel the retailers should have been fighting in the first lockdown to stop being closed altogether. The forced business closures made no sense for many businesses. Clothes, electrical, furniture and bookshops are often very big and customers can easily stay a long distance from each other. In my experience these shops are never very crowded. Small shops can’t hold many customers at the same time. What was the logic of closing these businesses as these shops and had an environment which was not conducive to spread an infectious disease. The retailers should have campaigned against being closed on the basis of this. Hotels were another type of businesses I couldn’t understand the logic of closing. Guests stay in their rooms and don’t mix with each other. Hotels may have quiet periods with not many guests.

The purpose of lockdown laws was for the government to give the message “look at how bad this disease is. This disease must be really bad for us to introduce these draconian laws”. The more business the government closed, the scarier covid appeared and to reinforce this message the government was prepared to close businesses where it made no sense.

236502 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to annie, 8, #200 of 2009 🔗

In our town there is a market which is still open but the stall that sells school uniforms has been told to shut because it is non-essential. However, the school is still open so what are you supposed to do if your kids loses their blazer or tie.

236527 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to muzzle, 5, #201 of 2009 🔗

Surely in this day and age computer and phone shops are essential.

236577 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to muzzle, 7, #202 of 2009 🔗

They should sell apples for £30 each and throw in a free blazer with every purchase

236842 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #203 of 2009 🔗

Absolutely, time to get creative!

237111 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to muzzle, 1, #204 of 2009 🔗

I could do with a pair of new shoes – the only ones I have which don’t let in water are my walking boots and wellingtons (first world problem, I know!!) Buying shoes online isn’t an option as I need to try them on before buying – I’m quite particular about shoes though not generally about clothes. I’ll check M&S but they have probably closed the non-food areas.

237523 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, #205 of 2009 🔗

Plenty of the online shoe shops do free returns. Have a look at rubbersole.co.uk

236609 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 4, #206 of 2009 🔗

I think Lidl does that anyway. once found screwdrivers next to the frozen fish fingers.

237120 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #207 of 2009 🔗

I’m amused by these strange juxtapositions, usually caused by people deciding they don’t really want something they picked up and just dumping it on the nearest shelf. My favourites were a picture hanging kit hidden in the towels and a DVD among the milk.

236368 Will, replying to Will, 1, #208 of 2009 🔗

Can’t access LS via Google, anyone else having the same problem?

236373 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Will, 3, #209 of 2009 🔗

I accessed it, no.1 in the rankings. I also saw this story from the Guardian ‘Editorial’ from 4th November which means it’s probably from one of its pharma sponsors…about the ‘dangerous Tory lockdown sceptics’ ie the politicians who voted against. What has happened to the Guardian, they have totally sold out!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/04/the-guardian-view-on-tory-lockdown-sceptics-a-dangerous-trend

236386 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #210 of 2009 🔗

The Open Philanthropy Project is not an altruistic organisation…

236395 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Will, 2, #211 of 2009 🔗

Lecter dressed up as Goldilocks

236405 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Sceptic Hank, 4, #212 of 2009 🔗

I can`t even read their crap , not good for my blood pressure or my PC screen. 🙂
This was the final nail 7 years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jan/31/snowden-files-computer-destroyed-guardian-gchq-basement-video

236575 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to 2 pence, 3, #213 of 2009 🔗

Yeah – I don’t read it anymore. I used to like their sports coverage, which was the best of any newspaper (may still be for all i know) but I’d get dragged into the news pages and it was like some Orwellian nightmare. They are a fking weird bunch. Luckily they’ll go out of business soon.

236568 ▶▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Sceptic Hank, 5, #214 of 2009 🔗

The Guardian have been the in-house journal of the deep state for the past decade.

238233 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mrs S, #215 of 2009 🔗

The Guardian they are wonderful. This is a blurb at the end of a Thomas Frank article last Saturday, November 7, 2020:
The Guardian has no shareholders or billionaire owner, meaning our journalism is free from influence and vested interests – this makes us different. Our editorial independence and autonomy allows us to provide fearless investigations and analysis of those with political and commercial power. We can give a voice to the oppressed and neglected, and help bring about a brighter, fairer future.

236377 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Will, 1, #216 of 2009 🔗

Top result for me.

236379 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, #217 of 2009 🔗

Not today but they sometimes list everything but the main page in search options

236387 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #218 of 2009 🔗

Really looking forward to listening to that podcast episode on the PCR false whooping cough epidemic – this is actually an article that I’ve probably shared more than any other in my quest to get people to question the current narrative: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html
Surprised it hasn’t been censored tbh! Even if someone don’t understand the maths behind Bayesian probability theory aka why most asymptomatic positive cases are false, they can certainly understand this!

236396 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #219 of 2009 🔗

Yes, it’s an astonishing article. I read it a while ago and was quite amazed at how much damage it done. If it was you who originally linked it here, many thanks. 🙂

It certainly explains all the people in the NHS “off sick” who have nothing wrong with them.

Problem the government have is: they can solve the staffing crisis by stopping the constant testing of NHS staff, but then their ‘case’ numbers would plummet, then the game would be up.

236814 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #220 of 2009 🔗

142 people were told they appeared to have the disease; and thousands were given antibiotics and a vaccine for protection.

.

Then, about eight months later, health care workers were dumbfounded to receive an e-mail message from the hospital administration informing them that the whole thing was a false alarm.

Antibiotics do not work for whooping cough (Pertussis).

Dr Suzanne Humphries developed “the Vitamin C Treatment of Whooping Cough ’. https://www.naturalmedicine.net.nz/vaccination/the-vitamin-c-treatment-of-whooping-cough/

236388 RyanM, 3, #221 of 2009 🔗

I’m a bit surprised by your praise of the Andrew Sullivan piece. Not quite brilliant. Interesting, maybe, but not brilliant. I disagree with Sullivan in many respects.

236393 Fingerache Philip., 11, #222 of 2009 🔗

Yesterday on the Andrew Marr show in one of his interviews with one of the usual government “clones” Marr said:”There is anecdotal evidence saying that people are not obeying LD2 as much as LD1″
Really, Andrew, you really must try and get out more.
I think that irony and sarcasm were very much to the fore.

236394 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 10, #223 of 2009 🔗

Not entirely sure I agree with the reader from Wales. Aside from any patriotic leanings, would I feel “lucky” to live in Wales and “unfortunate” to live in England right now? Certainly wouldn’t trust super micromanager MD.
Apparently in Wales “ With the exception of pointless face coverings, a “rule of four” in pubs and restaurants and daring to cross the border from plague-ridden England everything else appears to be guidance”.
Wait what?!?! That sounds idyllic! Get me there now 😂
The advice on not accepting a fine is spot on though 👌

236409 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 18, #224 of 2009 🔗

That thought also crossed my mind – fallen into the psychological trap. Make things grossly intolerable, then relax a few bits, then have a situation that in normal circumstances would be considered grossly intolerable, but now seems not so bad. Exactly, what will occur in the long run, we are already seeing it with calls to move the lockdown, but nothing else, so we will still be left with all the other ghastly restrictions, but people will see the fact that lockdown has been lifted as a victory, and then the masks, distancing, limits on family visits etc., become more acceptable.

236467 ▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Nsklent, 4, #225 of 2009 🔗

But how many people are obeying the rules? And will continue to obey them? I’d suggest more and more are ignoring them. Certainly in The second Welsh lockdown compliance has been limited/stretched. Everyone I’ve talked to has been taking a very liberal approach to “the rules”

236400 Will, replying to Will, 4, #226 of 2009 🔗

It would be interesting to hear an explanation from Mayo for the falling infection and hospitalisation rates and the plateauing death rate. I am intrigued as to how the T cell cross immunity deniers are going to spin the ONS/ KCL surveys.

236412 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Will, 9, #227 of 2009 🔗

We all know it’s a very clever virus. Seems it can also anticipate lockdowns.

236435 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to TJN, 3, #228 of 2009 🔗

Twice!!!

236588 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Will, 2, #229 of 2009 🔗

I can’t imagine now that there will be a third time.

But we’ve seen nothing yet: wait till we see how clever it is in getting round the vaccine.

236428 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Will, 8, #230 of 2009 🔗

The WHO say that 80% of people will not get serious covid that requires hospital treatment. so for the UK that means 53.3 million of us are already immune/resistant to serious covid by some mechanism or another. That leaves 20% 13.3 million who could possibly get serious covid. Many of these people are already being careful and some may have had Covid and now be immune and so it may be we are running out of numbers of people? after all diseases cannot increase for ever, you eventually run of of potential victims.

236631 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #231 of 2009 🔗

The WHO is a tainted outfit

238348 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Adam, #232 of 2009 🔗

Flip floppers.

236684 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Will, #233 of 2009 🔗

Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. 🙂

236410 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #234 of 2009 🔗

“In a shock sign of how feared this mutant Covid strain is, all cabin crew and pilots onboard British Airways and Ryanair flights arriving from Denmark in the UK have been instructed quarantine for 14 days after landing – along with their families.
Previously, airline workers were exempt from any mandatory quarantine. The new restrictions mean staff members’ children must stay home from school for two weeks as well.”
If this is true from Daily Mail rather extraordinary.Some of scientists have played down the report of the mink virus saying that some of the mutations have already been observed in non mink related cases and the threat to the vaccine has been exagerrated.So why is the UK so extreme about it? They have placed all their eggs in one basket and want to roll out a placebo vaccine(with negative side effects)as quickly as possible to cover up their total incompetence.

236416 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to swedenborg, 20, #235 of 2009 🔗

So why is the UK so extreme about it?

More and more people are starting to see through it, so they need their next scary story.

236480 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to swedenborg, 31, #236 of 2009 🔗

New SAGE modelling suggests that aircrews are 72.9% more likely to visit mink farms in Denmark than in other locations.

236687 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #237 of 2009 🔗

V good. 🙂

238350 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #238 of 2009 🔗

Do they say how many of them will buy mink coats?

236507 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to swedenborg, 4, #239 of 2009 🔗

Is it any more extreme then what the government has done to ~60-70 million people over the last 7 months ? Sounds like more of the same.

236723 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to swedenborg, 1, #240 of 2009 🔗

Newquay Airport: Our terminal is temporarily closed, with all scheduled flights to and from the Airport suspended due to the impact of current Government guidelines on demand.

236414 alw, replying to alw, 48, #241 of 2009 🔗

Speaking to 2 medic friends at weekend. They would not have the so-called vaccine and will not be recommending it to any patients. Not sufficiently tested. Hopefully there are many more like this.

236421 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to alw, 28, #242 of 2009 🔗

A doctor friend said the same, and to be honest, it’s just basic common sense. The whole idea of having to dispense 200 doses a day before the vial (that needs to be kept very very cold) expires is nonsensical, especially since the guidance says patients need a 20 minute rest before venturing out. He said there wouldn’t be time to attend to anything else and nowhere for patients to rest. Another disaster coming.

236725 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to alw, 6, #243 of 2009 🔗

High time that doctors are reminded about their duty of care. Even if the pharmaceutical industry has been given exemption, anyone administering it still has a duty of care.
Just following government guidelines is no defence.

236796 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 8, #244 of 2009 🔗

Great to know.

This RNA vaccine cannot be detoxed from the body. Once it is in our cells it is there forever giving instructions to our DNA – we do not know what kind of damage it can do over our lifespan.

We are all different and react differently to vaccines, some will show symptoms (including disablement or death) quicker than others.

How will you prove after 10 years that your auto-immune disease is as a result of this rushed out vaccine?

236861 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Victoria, 7, #245 of 2009 🔗

I hear that these new vaccines will track recipients for at least 2 years in conjunction with Google and Oracle – purportedly to monitor adverse health effects. Reminds me of those sci fi movies where drones hone in on people whose tracking systems are in their bodies. Eek.

https://www.technocracy.news/google-and-oracle-will-track-the-vaccinated-with-incredibly-precise-tech/

236415 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 44, #246 of 2009 🔗

Re. the Manchester Protest article above:

Assistant Chief Constable Mabs Hussain said: “I would like to use this opportunity to publically condemn this gathering. Both the organisers and attendees were irresponsible – increasing demand on police who are also responding to calls regarding serious incidents and people who are in immediate danger across Greater Manchester.

For instance; closing gyms, harrassing people sitting on benches, people trying to buy socks, people having a cuppa with a mate, walking on the cracks on the pavement, walking in a loud shirt in a built-up area, etc…

236429 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 27, #247 of 2009 🔗

The police have soiled their own bed, now they can lie in it.

236633 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Ceriain, 7, #248 of 2009 🔗

The police need reigning in and reformed

236419 alw, 4, #249 of 2009 🔗

Disgraceful. Covid should not be used as a excuse to deny support and a fair hearing to parents and children when these difficult sometimes life changing decisions are being made.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/parents-appearing-alone-at-remote-family-hearings/5106161.article

236420 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 25, #250 of 2009 🔗

JHB just interviewed Dr Simon Clark on Talkradio.

Apparently the young should get vaccinated to protect the very old and frail. The question I was shouting at the radio was…

Will the vaccine be 100% safe? If not, why should an 18 year old put their health/life at risk so that an 82 year old could possibly live for a few more weeks?

236422 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Major Panic, 19, #251 of 2009 🔗

Dr Simon Clark

Is that that clown who writes shite in the Spectator? He needs a kicking, he does.

236446 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Major Panic, 9, #252 of 2009 🔗

Everything I’ve read about the vaccines under development says that they won’t be sterilising. They won’t stop infection or prevent people passing on infection. If that’s the case how would young people being vaccinated help the situation? Am I wrong about this?

(And of course why should they in any case.)

236662 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sally, #253 of 2009 🔗

You’re not wrong: see my reply to Major Panic.

236661 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Major Panic, 5, #254 of 2009 🔗

This moron apparently doesn’t realise that the vaccines in development aren’t even being tested to see if they prevent transmission of the virus.

236719 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to mattghg, 2, #255 of 2009 🔗

They’ve set a really low bar for declaring a “successful vaccine”.

236786 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, 4, #256 of 2009 🔗

Typical propaganda. They have been using this type of slur for years to try and get all children vaccinated.

Always so funny when people with vaccinated kids ‘attack’ the non vaccinated kids stating that they are a risk to their vaccinated kids. What? If you believe that vaccinations work and your kid is vaccinated then he/she should be protected.

Immune systems protect us – that also goes for the 82 year old.

238351 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #257 of 2009 🔗

The demise of logical thinking is alarming. It should be included in every school curriculum around the world.

236425 Milan, replying to Milan, 4, #258 of 2009 🔗

Here’s an interesting article in the Atlantic from 2014. by Ezekiel J. Emanuel (oncologist, a bioethicist, and a vice provost of the University of Pennsylvania).
It’s a long and heavy read. It touches on important issues regarding very old age.
I don’t think the Atlantic would dare to publish it in 2020 (after March).

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/

236709 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Milan, 1, #259 of 2009 🔗

It’s a really interesting read – thank you.

237614 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Milan, #260 of 2009 🔗

Excellent points but some people live happy healthy and very active lives into their 90s – Douglas Harding is a good example.

For me, it’s about quality rather than quantity and I wouldn’t want to put a date on it, though I feel strongly that we should have a choice not to have our lives prolonged when Altzheimers prevents us from recognising our loved ones. I don’t want to put my family through that.

Probably academic now. I’m 67 and, no doubt, if dePiffle and Poppycock pull off their dastardly agenda, my days are already strictly numbered.

236430 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 31, #261 of 2009 🔗

I’ll believe that Boris really is “raging” when he fires someone and cancels the lockdown. Fires everyone if he has to. Until then it’s just the usual “please like” me bullshit we have come to expect from that self-absorbed twat.

236436 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Recusant, 3, #262 of 2009 🔗

Yep

236437 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Recusant, 29, #263 of 2009 🔗

I wish he would just fess up and admit it’s all a farce. However it’s becoming more and more obvious that there are darker forces at play. Once I would have dismissed this notion as complete rubbish, but I can’t think of anything else that explains the deceit and corruption that is going on at our expense.

236444 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sceptic Hank, 37, #264 of 2009 🔗

However it’s becoming more and more obvious that there are darker forces at play.

Yes, especially when a Tory MP (Sir Charles Walker) says this:

“I am not living in fear of the virus. I will not live in fear of the virus, but I am living in fear of something much darker, hiding in the shadows , and when the sunlight returns, and it will return, I hope that it chases those shadows away, but I cannot be sure that it will.”

You know there’s something wrong.

236453 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Ceriain, 10, #265 of 2009 🔗

That was a great speech. I’ll bet it resonated throughout the house and they were silently hanging their heads in shame. Oh well, here’s hoping 🙁

236445 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sceptic Hank, 17, #266 of 2009 🔗

No – me neither – I literally can’t understand how we are still where we are? There is an absolute mass of evidence against the narrative. The media would be all over suicides, cancer deaths etc etc etc like a rash normally – and yet silence. It is still as surreal as it was in March – more so because of all the empirical data we now have.

236452 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to CGL, 12, #267 of 2009 🔗

Problem is the MSM, most of it is still sprouting rubbish and many don’t read between the lines

236513 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sceptic Hank, 6, #268 of 2009 🔗

Or even the lines themselves I would suggest

237147 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Sceptic Hank, 2, #269 of 2009 🔗

The problem is that even if they wanted to read between the lines they have been to an extent bought and gagged so won’t.

236456 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to CGL, 14, #270 of 2009 🔗

That’s the thing. I confess to having been very scared myself in March. We didn’t know what we were dealing with. Now we’ve had 8 months to study this and the real data are there for anyone who cares to look. But they are just not looking are they?

236566 ▶▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to steph, 11, #271 of 2009 🔗

The data was already there in March from China. It was clear what we were dealing with from the start. It was never close to being what it was claimed to be.

236875 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steph, 5, #272 of 2009 🔗

I wasn’t scared in December last year, I knew it was a con and all about the great reset even back then. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like everybody else did.
I was worried about the reaction to this woo flu. Those of us who were paying attention knew what was coming down the pipe.

236916 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Two-Six, 3, #273 of 2009 🔗

The Diamond Princess data was what convinced me this is a hoax.

I did some simple calculations and came up with 370k US deaths.

Even after classing all deaths WITH as deaths FROM the official count is around 2/3 of my calculation.

Thus, hoax.

236729 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #274 of 2009 🔗

The problem is he has a copious need for money and the way to get that is to do the biding of the DS so that when he leaves office, the normal range of sinecured positions that come the way of an ex PM will do so.

If he doesn’t play ball (such as by declaring the whole thing to be a farce), he will lose the sinecures that would otherwise follow.

236470 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Recusant, 12, #275 of 2009 🔗

did you watch the Downfall parody on yesterday’s LS? perhaps the funniest moment is Hitler/Boris keening, ‘I just wanted them to like me’

236604 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Alethea, 3, #276 of 2009 🔗

It was great. “Please don’t sniffle or they’ll quarantine you”

236866 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Recusant, 1, #277 of 2009 🔗

Fwaaaahhhhhhhh!
BORIS
SMASH
SAGE
FWAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

236433 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 22, #278 of 2009 🔗

The stunt with the piper on Whitehall yesterday was a stroke of genius. He will have suffered a few bruises, but he will have raised awareness on a very large scale of the indoctrinated thuggery of which the police is capable. Very little is sacred to the British public anymore, but you do not mess with military veterans on Remembrance Sunday.

Plus, it puts me in mind of this beautiful song by Mark Knopfler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9IGELr5-I

236443 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben Shirley, 6, #279 of 2009 🔗

Does anyone know why he walked into the row of police though? – that did look a bit odd to me.

236479 ▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to CGL, 4, #280 of 2009 🔗

It looked staged to me, which doesn’t help the cause at all

236510 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to The Spingler, 4, #281 of 2009 🔗

That’s what I thought too. I didn’t want to share it on that basis – as it looked like he was deliberately pissing them off. I’m not saying that shoving someone is a good thing to do, but as we know there are 2 sides to everything!. Always have to look for them – now more than ever.

236560 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to The Spingler, 8, #282 of 2009 🔗

I disagree – it appeal to the exact same demographic who swallow the 4000 deaths a day nonsense without stopping to think. Fight fire with fire – I’ve seen a lot of people on social media who normally don’t have. a bad word to say about the government’s covid policy, other than they aren’t doing enough, getting upset by this. Those who know it is probably staged are either too deep in the lockdown cult to be moved anyway or cynics. That one is for the older people on the fence, and if it works, its good.

236581 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to The Spingler, 3, #283 of 2009 🔗

Yes, I wondered that yesterday – 50-50 I’d say. Odd how he turning into the police right in front of the camera – the only camera to have put up footage online as far as I know.

According to one report he’d been asked to wait while the restricted area was opened up and the he could enter.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/remembrance-sunday-police-filmed-pushing-kilted-bagpiper-ground-veterans-protest-3029294

236625 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to The Spingler, 2, #284 of 2009 🔗

My feelings too. It looked like he was trying to break the police line by deliberate turning left into them. He did get an almighty thwack. I wonder if both sides knew that would happen.

236649 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to The Spingler, 3, #285 of 2009 🔗

Agree, it didn’t look great, there is a long video showing all the build up to the event and the veteran speaking later in the day.

But we need to think why would the UK establishment feel the need to stage such an event other than try to deliberately provoke civil unrest.

Also if the establishment cares about veterans and their safety so much why are there so many homeless veterans? surely they could have just allowed normal remembrance services.

236555 ▶▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to CGL, 8, #286 of 2009 🔗

We can agree it was premeditated, as the piper had apparently delivered a speech earlier warning against the reality of a police state. Having laid out his argument, by eliciting violence from a policeman through non-violent means, he proves it true. Anyone watching the video will see that, while the piper might have been in the wrong in the first place, the response of the policeman is in no way proportionate to the offence given. The only people who won’t be moved by that are the lost causes who believe the rule are always right.

237633 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 1, #287 of 2009 🔗

I watched it several times and couldn’t decide if it was camera angle or he deliberately provoked them. He could have walked twice as far before he turned.
On the other hand, it was one heck of a shove – and by two cops simultaneously.
I’m sure “they” will try to provoke violence to justify more draconian policing.

236520 ▶▶ alw, replying to Ben Shirley, 1, #288 of 2009 🔗

He was subsequently arrested.

236638 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Ben Shirley, 2, #289 of 2009 🔗

I am surprised the police officer didn’t get put in a military chokehold for what he did, you don’t screw around with the Forces

236441 CGL, replying to CGL, 5, #290 of 2009 🔗

I’ve pointed quite a few people to this site, and also said how good the comment section is for all sorts of information and support.

Most of them can’t find the link to it on the page though – I know it sounds odd as it’s right under the banner. I think most people think I’m talking about the Forum’s rather than the BTL section, so don’t really look further. Someone I spoke to at the weekend is a regular reader, and hadn’t found it – only the Forums

Has anyone else found this?

236447 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to CGL, 6, #291 of 2009 🔗

Maybe they should put it at the bottom too?

236503 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sceptic Hank, 5, #292 of 2009 🔗

I wonder whether that’s where they instinctively look – so you look at the articles, and then you think “I wonder what other people think” – and look at the bits at the bottom, yes.

236516 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to CGL, 2, #293 of 2009 🔗

Ideally they should pepper it throughout the site. Although I’m not sure if there is much more room for comments 🙂

236449 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 2, #294 of 2009 🔗

I’ve had this. I had someone tell me three times there was no comments link.

Some people can’t see their hand in front of their face; make sure you tell them they need to click the link that is next to the date.

236501 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 2, #295 of 2009 🔗

I have done that and then they find it – they just can’t seem to find it on their own without the instructions.
Just wondered if it might be made a bit bigger or highlighted or something to make it stand out a bit. You lot deserve to be heard!!

236545 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CGL, 5, #296 of 2009 🔗

It took me a few weeks to notice the comment link, and I’m supposed to be a programmer, FFS.

In my experience, a newly-arrived reader will work down the page until they either get bored and leave, or reach the bottom and want more. It’s at this point that we need to engage new readers.

I would strongly suggest to Toby that they put a big box at the bottom of the page with a comments link and a call to action, such as “See what people are saying. Become part of the conversation.”

(Forget ye not that Panscepticon provides a high-speed mirror of all comments, albeit with a lag for the current days news.)

236549 ▶▶ rose, replying to CGL, 3, #297 of 2009 🔗

I sometimes find the comments difficult to access. A click on the comments doesn’t always work. Quite often I can’t change oldest to newest. And even though I want to look at links I ‘m out off by the difficulty of getting back to where I was.

236639 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CGL, 2, #298 of 2009 🔗

What I want to get rid of is the irritating green banner at the top about the newsletter.

236716 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #299 of 2009 🔗

Yes, that new banner is quite definitely irritating, last week’s change in its position is unwelcome.

236782 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to davews, 1, #300 of 2009 🔗

Click the small white X in the top right and it goes away.

236448 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #301 of 2009 🔗

Well done Toby, the game is up

I could never work out how the test centres were empty but the testing and ‘positive ‘ tests rising

We now know, it’s an endless cycle of testing NHS staff

Imagine you are one of those members of staff. Once they test ‘ positive ‘ they fall under trap and trace. Their family and friends then get locked up

The tests are compulsory, so what are they going to do after a few cycles of getting their family locked up?

Stay at home on full pay?

236464 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 4, #302 of 2009 🔗

Cecil, I posted this a couple of days ago when someone posted about the empty test centres.

You see… NHS staff are Pillar 1, Pillar 2 are the general public (tested at home, or at the test centres), and…

Dido’s own figures would suggest that the test centres must be rammed all day !

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/932917/NHS_T_T_data_tables_w22.ods

Total tested: w/e 28/10/2020

Table 1: People tested for Covid-19 each week, Pillars 1 and 2: 1,530,529 (218,647 a day)

Pillar 1: 421,615 (NHS Labs)
Pillar 2: 1,108,914 (Lightbouse Labs)

Pillar 2: w/e 28/10/2020 (note: these are tests, not people; some people are tested more than once )

Table 4: Total tests, conducted by Regional test sites : 174,342
Table 5: Total tests, conducted by Local test sites : 145,426
Table 6: Total tests, conducted by Mobile testing units : 169,247
Table 7: Total tests, conducted by Satellite test centres : 506,215

Total: 995,230

I really cannot see why Dido would lie about this… can you guys?

Should add, I didn’t include home testing as it’s not part of the testing above; it’s recorded separately.

236478 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 1, #303 of 2009 🔗

Where do NHS staff get tested? Could they be sent to local/ regional test centres?

236483 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 3, #304 of 2009 🔗

Hospital staff are tested in Hospital; they are counted under Pillar 1.

pillar 1: swab testing in Public Health England () labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers

The general public are tested with home testing kits and at those really busy test centres.

pillar 2: swab testing for the wider population, as set out in government guidance

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-data-methodology/covid-19-testing-data-methodology-note

236490 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 2, #305 of 2009 🔗

I’ m not being pedantic

However I just like to test to destruction what’s being said.as we have been conned so many times

The quote above could be read as only health and care workers with a clinical need

As routine testing of staff is not a clinical need for that member of staff………. do you see where I am going with this?

236523 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 3, #306 of 2009 🔗

I do, and it’s not a problem, Cecil. I know you’re not having a go at me. You are quite right to question everything. 🙂

I know it’s not proof, (who can prove anything at the moment?) but I have a lot of friends, and work contacts, who are doctors/nurses working in hospitals. They assure me they get tested in the hospitals where they work.

Obviously, like everyone else, I don’t know exactly how the government are making up their figures, but, as you can clearly see from their own data tables, on their own official Weekly statistics for NHS Test and Trace (England) and coronavirus testing (UK) webpages, the numbers suggest the testing centres, where the general public get tested (Pillar 2), are very busy. They’d have to be to return the number of people they claim to be testing there.

Personally, I don’t believe any of it, if that helps. 🙂

236484 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ceriain, 4, #307 of 2009 🔗

I can’t make those numbers add up. Surely if some people in pillar 2 are tested more than once then the total of tables 4,5, 6 and 7 should be greater than the pillar 2 number which says it’s people not tests? Confused.

236486 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steph, 6, #308 of 2009 🔗

You think I don’t know that, Steph? 🙂

That spreadsheet I linked to is just about the most amateurish I’ve seen in my professional life, but that spreadsheet, believe it or not, contains their official reported data data tables.

You can find the full reporting page here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-statistics-22-october-to-28-october :

236508 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ceriain, 7, #309 of 2009 🔗

Of course you do. I’m still a bit sleepy!
My husband is following the Essex data and creating his own graph to compare against the modelled prediction. He has the devil of a job to find the real data that makes sense because it is all published in a very amateurish manner, late and not at all clear. Data from weeks ago also changes spontaneously as they discover more cases or change their dates. Suffice it to say his graph is much shallower than any of the predictions and he has sent it to various MPs including our own.
We are both IT professionals with a background in MI and I have the honour of an Imperial College degree so we are no slouches. You’d almost think they are deliberately obfuscating things. 😉

236543 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steph, 6, #310 of 2009 🔗

I’m still a bit sleepy!

🙂

He has the devil of a job to find the real data that makes sense because it is all published in a very amateurish manner, late and not at all clear.

Yep, been there, done that.

Data from weeks ago also changes spontaneously as they discover more cases or change their dates.

And seen that, too. I think that is why we (well, me anyway) do it; we can see when they change stuff. I’ve also pointed this out to my MP, not that it helps any.

You’d almost think they are deliberately obfuscating things.

Never! 😉

236578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ceriain, 5, #311 of 2009 🔗

I think we’ve reached the point where we know nothing we send to the Home Secretary (our MP) will make the slightest difference. My own last email to her was basically to tell her that as she knows the data is as dodgy as I do then she should vote against lockdown. I knew she would vote for.
All I’m doing now is making sure there is no opportunity for “but nobody told me this was all wrong”. They will just keep going now until it all implodes.
I’m very pleased to see so much non-compliance and everyone I talk to has had enough.

236640 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to steph, 1, #312 of 2009 🔗

Sorry for jumping in on this convo, but where is the best place for me to start looking at these for Brighton area?
I’d like to start doing the same to my Massive Pratt the Ginger Rodent

236493 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 5, #313 of 2009 🔗

And the whole time the ONS is showing infections in the community falling.

236519 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 4, #314 of 2009 🔗

1.2 million NHS staff. So yes this could account for most testing along with NHS hospital attendees.

237350 ▶▶ Dominic12, replying to Cecil B, #315 of 2009 🔗

That is interesting as it contradicts the information I have received. The partner of someone I know works at the hospital and has said that while the staff are testing people all day long they are not being tested themselves. When that person wanted a test for a specific purpose some senior honcho was brought in to do it personally. I assumed that was because they wanted to make sure the test was done properly so there was no false positive as a consequence; but that is speculation on my part.

236451 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 73, #316 of 2009 🔗

All these reports about Johnson being ‘angry’ at having been ‘forced’ into a second lockdown are very clever media ploys from No. 10. Portraying him as the victim of unscrupulous ministers and scientists, and if it weren’t for them, he’d have all of the UK’s interests at heart and have made the right decision, promise!

I don’t buy it. He is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. There are lots of bad actors in government who have all contributed to this mess but as for national lockdown decisions, the buck ultimately stops with Johnson. The Prime Minister has the final say and the final sign-off and it is literally his JOB to weigh up all the pros and cons of a policy on the British people and then make a decision. The SAGE scientists will only advise him on fearmongering ‘predictions’ because that’s their job, they’re not paid to consider the economic costs, and it is in SAGE’s interest to be as alarmist as possible. This is why it is so important that Johnson widens the pool of his advisors as soon as humanly possible because it’s clear that he is just not capable of weighing up the pros and cons himself – someone has to tell it to him straight. He is no longer fit for office anyway but we are probably going to be lumbered with him until at least after Brexit.

I also find it interesting that there are rumours that the whole country was placed under lockdown just to make it ‘fair’ to the North and Midlands, because continued selective lockdowns would have gone down like a cup of cold sick in those areas, reinforcing the fact that the ‘evil Tories’ only care about the south and London. It’s the same sort of response to the argument for shielding – ‘It would be so cruel to lock up a select part of the population – so let’s do it to everyone instead and multiply that suffering!’ Makes absolutely no sense at all. Any shielding programme should be advisory anyway – if anyone is vulnerable and wants to take that risk with their own health, then on their head be it. These arguments also implicitly acknowledge the unfairness and injustice of locking people in their houses – so why is it that doing it to everyone somehow makes it more justifiable? It’s actually less justifiable because you’re causing more unnecessary suffering for more people!

236468 ▶▶ steph, replying to Poppy, 24, #317 of 2009 🔗

Poppy hitting the nail on the head again.
Also let’s not forget that all the local lockdowns were as a result of the testdemic and nonsocomial (?) infections / positives. In Essex our stupid County Council actually begged to be put in tier 2.

236474 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to steph, 36, #318 of 2009 🔗

A lot of councils beg to be put in higher tiers just because of the financial support. It’s just sick. Clearly these good-for-nothing bureaucrats can’t work out that it doesn’t matter how much fake money a business gets from the government, someone will still have to pay back tomorrow what is squandered today.

236485 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Poppy, 28, #319 of 2009 🔗

The money will not be going to business

It will spent on new carpet, covid marshalls, and restocking the Mayor’s drinks cabinet

95% of it will never leave City Hall

236528 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Poppy, 16, #320 of 2009 🔗

Yes – to invert Bob’s cartoon from yesterday, They have given our tomorrow for their today!

236653 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to IanE, 6, #321 of 2009 🔗

Brilliant Ian. It reminds me of the scene in Shrek when Lord Farquar says to his people “Some of you will die but it is a sacrifice I am prepared to make.”

236517 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 35, #322 of 2009 🔗

You hit the nail on the head again.It’s basically collective punishment in order to be “seen to be doing something” which is an abomination and is one of the root causes of many of the problems we’re facing today.

Johnson has shown himself to be incompetent, lazy, ignorant and easily swayed. All these reports that he was “forced” into it is bunkum and there’s certainly a stench of corruption hanging over not only number 10 but the whole of the state apparatus from Parliament down to the devolved governments and local ones.

236746 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #323 of 2009 🔗

A clever cookie, our Poppy! 🙂

237096 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CGL, 6, #324 of 2009 🔗

Agree!!!!

236745 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Poppy, 14, #325 of 2009 🔗

Seems like lockdown 2 exists solely to make sure small businesses are finished off

236461 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 30, #326 of 2009 🔗

Agree with others that this stuff about Boris being bounced is suspicious. He’s the bloody PM. If he doesn’t want to lockdown, he doesn’t have to do it. If he wants to end the lockdown, he can announce that in parliament today. But he hasn’t.

This things keeps coming up in newspapers from ‘sources’: ‘Boris hates having to lockdown, it makes him really sad and goes against all his instincts. But we’re still going to lock you all up.’

It’s guff. Actions speak far louder than words in this instance. It’s probably an attempt to placate angry MPs and people like us, make us a little more agreeable.

Personally I think he’s a weak PM unsuited to the times, without much ‘character’ to speak of: he bends and shifts all over the place and doesn’t seem to be able to scrutinise detail or ask questions, instead relying on ‘experts’ to give him views. That may be an advantage for some circumstances – for instance, his optimistic bounce could work for Brexit – but for Covid, he’s just not the right man for the job. He’s had his chance and he needs to go now, I think (as does Hancock). I guess the only viable alternative is Sunak but maybe the best option is for Tories to get scared by Farage’s new party and for them to be forced to shift that way.

Also I still hold out hope this English lockdown will be ended early. Wishful thinking, but there it is. Haven’t met a single person who thinks its a good idea (the most common refrain is they agreed with the first lockdown, but not this one). That’s the sort of public opinion Boris’ government cares about, I think.

236476 ▶▶ chaos, replying to sky_trees, 34, #327 of 2009 🔗

He’s such a libertarian Boris.. so libertarian is he that he is moving us toward a marxist Chinese style regime with a decimated economy, faux green fuckwittery and compulsory vaccinations…

236491 ▶▶ Will, replying to sky_trees, 11, #328 of 2009 🔗

IMHO, the narrative from people like Toby and Fraser Nelson, who actually know the PM, is “for fuck’s sake Boris, wake up and smell the fucking coffee”. They are all trying to give the man a means out of this mess.

236512 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Will, 3, #329 of 2009 🔗

I think Toby nailed it a while ago when he suggested they are threatening his baby. Sounds really sinister but something is going on.

236533 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Sceptic Hank, 11, #330 of 2009 🔗

Boris doesn’t need threatening. Like father like son. And like his dad, his bit of fluff is Rockerfeller also. He’s the wolf in clown clothing.

236744 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sceptic Hank, 2, #331 of 2009 🔗

If so, then he should resign…….

236690 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to sky_trees, 4, #332 of 2009 🔗

“It is with a heavy heart…” The Bastard.

237873 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RichardJames, #333 of 2009 🔗

It reminds me of my old headmaster with the cane….sorry my son…this is going to hurt me more than it hurts you.

237716 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to sky_trees, #334 of 2009 🔗

This is the man who hid in a fridge, rather than face reporters. Whever did you expect?

236462 jb12, 20, #335 of 2009 🔗

Yeah, I am not buying that England was locked down and furlough extended until March, thereby decimating the economy, because a couple of hospitals in Yorkshire didn’t have enough staff.

236471 steph, replying to steph, #336 of 2009 🔗

We

236472 ▶▶ steph, replying to steph, #337 of 2009 🔗

? Mistake!

236475 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to steph, 4, #338 of 2009 🔗

will not be moved

236482 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #339 of 2009 🔗

Funny how Teresa May took responsibility for her botched Brexit negotiations. Wonder will Boris learn a thing or two

237719 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, 1, #340 of 2009 🔗

This is dePiffle you’re talking about!

238187 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cheezilla, #341 of 2009 🔗

Dear cheezilla, kudos for rejecting the use of dePiffle’s legacy brand name, “Boris”. That brand is now denounced. Fake promise. Shoddy goods. We won’t reinforce that jovial brand with all its positive attributes. The weak fool’s brand should be; dePiffle. I can’t hate any person for their weakness, perfidy and panic. But that doesn’t stop me from despising someone who took high office and stays there, despite (lack of) competence, rectitude, strength…and the rest. I find it very hard to sustain such negative emotions, but dePiffle and his joker enclave make it easier.

236487 calchas, replying to calchas, 47, #342 of 2009 🔗

Imagine some successul person, with say a profitable business and a happy family – a mother of a family-

Now, imagine that this mother develops some kind of obsession – a monomania – with something. This something could be relatively harmless or even normal and useful to a certain extent, let’s say she becomes obsessed with cleaning the the house.

As cleaning the house begins to take up more and more hours each day, so business become neglected, leading to a falling income and savings are eaten into. Eventually, eeven these are whittled down and the family’s clothes and even diet start to deteriorate, bringing health problems. The family sells the car and borrows ever more money.

At this stage our formerly successful person is now spending 10 hours a day cleaning the house – every day.

On the family side of things, there are now constant shouting arguments amongst family members, when they do speak to each other. The couples’s love life is nonexistent and nobody visits the house any more, because the mother’s obsession with cleanliness makes them feel unwelcome.

The children cannot understand the sudden change which has come over their mother. They begin to lock themselves in their rooms and refuse to open up. She eventually must break down the door so that she can clean.

We live this family story before it becomes too distressful and just before the suicide of the eldest child, and with the mother now spending 15 hours a day cleaning the house.

I’ms ure you recognize this picture, because this is where the government has brought us to as a society.

Just as any obsession, pursued with enough intensity, can destroy a family, so an obsession pursued with enough zeal can destroy a society.

We have gone collectively mad – either accdentally, or by design.

236500 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to calchas, 6, #343 of 2009 🔗

So sorry to hear about this. OCD anxiety can return in periods of extreme stress, she would have just managed it before this happened. A real tragedy, one of many that the government is dismissing with reckless impunity.

236514 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Sceptic Hank, 11, #344 of 2009 🔗

I just made the story up as an analogy.to the general state of society.

But there are such cases of course.

236531 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to calchas, 10, #345 of 2009 🔗

There are, I know of similar cases as I work in this sector

236488 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 5, #346 of 2009 🔗

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236737 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #347 of 2009 🔗

Thanks I have not yet listened to your podcast but will a bit later.

Dr Suzanne Humphries developed “the Vitamin C Treatment of Whooping Cough’. https://www.naturalmedicine.net.nz/vaccination/the-vitamin-c-treatment-of-whooping-cough/

236496 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 17, #348 of 2009 🔗

The Tory brand is now as toxic as it was in 1997. Boris, the so called “man of the people”, is nothing but a fraud much like that other “idol of unity”, the walking corpse across the pond !

I don`t hope for much political change in the UK but can at least see that the people know that this second lock down is a joke just by the amount of traffic on the road this morning.

236505 ▶▶ chaos, replying to nickbowes, 8, #349 of 2009 🔗

When no trade deal is forthcoming from the Davos Clintons, sorry I mean Davos Bidens.. the shit flying from the fan will be shittier. You’d have thought America would have been the first trade we would have agreed. Trump kept offering it. He’s still in power for 70 odd days, maybe longer.. will Boris go for a US deal? No. Cos that was never his intention. Oven Ready brexit was always a goiung to be a long drawn out stitch-up remain.

236525 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to chaos, 9, #350 of 2009 🔗

Our corrupt establishment had four years to cut a deal with a friendly US Administration..
Trump had four years to sort “big tech” censorship, after all, when Trump was elected the siliconers actually said “this would never be allowed to happen again”.
Trump had four years to deal with potential postal ballot fraud.
Trump had four years to go for the corrupt billionaire individuals living in his country who are hellbent on destroying Western civilization.
Trump had four years to sack traitors who run his so called “intelligence” agencies.

He did nowt.

236692 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to nickbowes, #351 of 2009 🔗

Indeed history books will not be kind to him

236497 calchas, replying to calchas, 21, #352 of 2009 🔗

Was Johnson ‘bounced’ into a second lockdown?

Was Merkel bounced….?

Was Macron bounced…?

Was Sanchez bounced ?

………
……..

—and so on

236499 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to calchas, 1, #353 of 2009 🔗

Trump was certainly “bounced” out of the White House !

236506 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to nickbowes, 8, #354 of 2009 🔗

Will he ‘bounce’ back?
Trump is nothing if not a fighter.

“Life will fully return to normal”

Donald J. Trump – campaign speech in North Carolina – 23rd October.

236532 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to calchas, 1, #355 of 2009 🔗

Has to be Tucker or Trump Jnr now.

236600 ▶▶▶▶ paulito, replying to calchas, 12, #356 of 2009 🔗

Biden is not President just because the MSM says so. In one county in Georgia alone 132,000 votes have been identified as potentially ineligible. There is also a question about 100,000 absentee vote in Philadelphia. Already, in Michigan, 6,000 votes for Trump were”mistskenly” given to Biden. Originally they said this was down to a computer glitch then to human error. The same machines and software were used in 47 counties in Michigan and several other states. I don’t know how this will end, but if we’ve learned anything from the scamdemic, it’s that the media are barefaced liars engaged in information and psychological warfare.

236509 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to nickbowes, 1, #357 of 2009 🔗

Not yet, grasshopper!

236524 ▶▶ steph, replying to calchas, 11, #358 of 2009 🔗

I know group incompetence is not a popular theory here but I still think there’s a degree of monkey see monkey do. All scared of not being as tough on Covid as their neighbours so working each other up in an escalation frenzy.
When I’m microchipped, barcoded and given my daily credits by the great leader I’ll apologise to you all.

236534 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to steph, 4, #359 of 2009 🔗

You’ll lose credits if you apologise.

236682 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to jb12, 2, #360 of 2009 🔗

You are fined One Credit for unskillful use of language, John Spartan.

236795 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steph, 3, #361 of 2009 🔗

When I’m microchipped, barcoded and given my daily credits by the great leader I’ll apologise to you all.

Could be just a tad too late by then ?

236548 ▶▶ paulito, replying to calchas, 10, #362 of 2009 🔗

If Johnson can be “bounced” into taking such a disastrous measure, he clearly has no place in Downing Street. Don’t buy this spin for a second. Just covering his huge flabby arse.

237883 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to paulito, 1, #363 of 2009 🔗

Its utter shit and an insult to our intelligence.

236498 CGL, replying to CGL, 9, #364 of 2009 🔗

Going to have to switch TalkRadio off now. It’s just as annoying as the BBC.
What a twat.

236540 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to CGL, 13, #365 of 2009 🔗

Glad I wasn’t the only one. I’ve been listening to Bannon’s War Room. Great stuff. As Steve himself pointed out, where is Joe Biden supporting that it was a fair election? If Trump lost then it should come out the wash shouldn’t it? Plus the whole process of electing a president already has this in place.

James Woods had a great tweet:

“And just like that the rioting and looting has ceased overnight. And now the half of the country that pummeled America like a battered wife is telling her to put on sunglasses, hide her black eye, be a good girl, and “come together as one.” Her answer? “Go fuck yourself.”

237889 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to CGL, #366 of 2009 🔗

Thmbs down on what and which presenters are the offenders? Not JHB again?

236504 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 13, #367 of 2009 🔗

“The 4,000-a-day figure has since been widely discredited”

Shouldn’t it have seemed unbelievable the day it was presented? As on that day there should have been a thousand deaths a day if it was in anyway accurate. Or so I believe. Is the P.M. unable to read graphs?

236515 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #368 of 2009 🔗

When last asked, he asked what a graph is!

236536 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #369 of 2009 🔗

Possibly confusing it with γράφω, I write.

237051 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, #370 of 2009 🔗

Can he write?

236589 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #371 of 2009 🔗

It would appear Bozo is as thick as mince! Either his girlfriend is the problem or his puppet master in chief Cummings is, one thing for sure Bozo isn’t the Leader.

236734 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #372 of 2009 🔗

Even on the worst, most “deadly” day of the pandemic there have only been 8000 deaths worldwide, so quite how anyone could believe that one small country could produce half that number is beyond me.

236751 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #373 of 2009 🔗

They would if they had no prior knowledge of these things, and weren’t given context. Oohh, look!

236518 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #374 of 2009 🔗

TalkRadio like everyone else is Biden bum licking.. thumb them down….

236586 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to chaos, 2, #375 of 2009 🔗

But but orange man bad!

236522 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 2, #376 of 2009 🔗

A postcard from Free Wales:

The border is closed so sod off, Englanders.

236544 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Stuart, 11, #377 of 2009 🔗

The English will be only too happy to take their money elsewhere and leave you in poverty as your tourist trade disappears down the plughole.

237149 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to thedarkhorse, 2, #378 of 2009 🔗

Believe you me, most Welsh people know which side their bread is buttered.
The disgusting Plaid Cymru anglophobes and nasty,brain dead Little Walesers who pollute the borders are anything but representative. But they have managed to crawl into the Great Tortoise’s shell.

236598 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Stuart, 4, #379 of 2009 🔗

What if you identify as Welsh? Is this the start of Trans-Welsh discrimination?

236674 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Stuart, 1, #380 of 2009 🔗

Delighted to never darken your countryside again.

We’ll spend our tourist money elsewhere. I remember hearing the phrase from my peers at school who had visited Wales “We want your money, boyo, but we don’t want you!”

236929 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to RichardJames, 3, #381 of 2009 🔗

No division please, we have a common enemy

236535 calchas, replying to calchas, 21, #382 of 2009 🔗

OT

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236546 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to calchas, 17, #383 of 2009 🔗

I can’t unsee that clip of him sniffing at children’s hair and touching them inappropriately, makes me sick. What a creep.

236550 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Janice21, 5, #384 of 2009 🔗

That is tame to what is on lil Hunter s laptop !

236553 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Janice21, 8, #385 of 2009 🔗

Biden is of course for nationwide lockdown and a nationwide mask mandate.

237897 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to calchas, #386 of 2009 🔗

Is that why talk radio support him?

236538 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #387 of 2009 🔗

was Boris bounced into a second lockdown? Surely he would have consulted Dominic Cummings

236541 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #388 of 2009 🔗

Its cummings what did the bouncing

236539 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 31, #389 of 2009 🔗

The only way out of this is to continue to discredit the PCR test.

Fauci has said in public >30 cycles is useless. UKG have admitted to using 45 cycles.

President of Tanzania has tested + a papaya and a goat.

The whooping cough scandal.

The inventor of the test advising not to use it as a diagnostic tool.

The amount of false +’s

People being falsely imprisoned on the back of an unreliable test.

Everyone admitted to hospital is being tested and likely to be a false +

People not even returning their test and receiving a + result.

Contaminated samples……

The list goes on. A complete scam.

236689 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to stefarm, 5, #390 of 2009 🔗

Agree. If all countries stop testing today this ‘shit show’ will be over. It is now only a respiratory illness, even the average death toll is lower than that of the flu

237900 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Victoria, 1, #391 of 2009 🔗

Ban the masks,stop the tests….its all over.

236798 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 2, #392 of 2009 🔗

I am trying to find time to write to my MP and local MLA. “Plan for an Immediate Economic Resuce of Northern Ireland and End to Staff Shortages in our NHS”

The detail will consist of one paragraph.

“Set criteria for SARS-CoV-2 cases within adequate CTs. Provide subsequent follow up tests for those deemed infectious. Protect the vulnerable and update isolation recommendations as appropriate”

Get back to work and stop doing zoom calls

236542 kf99, replying to kf99, 20, #393 of 2009 🔗

The Desmond Swayne interview in the links is magnificent. Deserves a much bigger audience. “I’d still be protesting even if you persuaded me that we’re all going to die”. His sense of humour is always there just under the surface. He’d make one hell of a PM!

236556 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kf99, 6, #394 of 2009 🔗

Om the subject of humour
Andrew Marr R4 09.15 on a programme about astronomy just said

‘Why do black holes matter ?’

236596 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kf99, 3, #395 of 2009 🔗

He would. I wish he was my MP.

236675 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kf99, 3, #396 of 2009 🔗

Love him, he sure does have a way with words sometimes! He is one of the few (maybe the only?) to mention the problems with the PCR test in Parliament, albeit very briefly. This is the avenue that needs to be hammered.

236806 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kf99, 2, #397 of 2009 🔗

Anyone in London attending a protest here? Write to Desmond and ask him to join. Make it known that the parliamentary route is not working and he needs to provide clear support of the people now. Join the streets. An MP on one protest would be massive

236547 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 18, #398 of 2009 🔗

Yesterday was Remembrance Sunday, I could not believe my eyes when i saw that video in London of one of Boris s masked little piggies pushing that Veteran/piper to the ground. This was a total f kin disgrace and sums up him, Khan and our bloody useless Home Secretary perfectly. Scumbags the lot of them.

236565 ▶▶ kf99, replying to nickbowes, 13, #399 of 2009 🔗

Plus the West Midlands supermarket incident Toby mentions. Oh they’ve apologised for that one have they – but no apology for their intimidating demeanor and ragbag appearance which is appalling. Peel principles anyone?

236557 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 34, #400 of 2009 🔗

Can’t believe anyone would buy the Boris was forced in to lockdown reluctantly by scientists line. Clearly an attempt to paint Boris as much of a victim as us. Even if you believe it it shows he doesn’t have the basic intelligence, resolution or courage to be PM. His integrity has never been in question though…he has none.

236562 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Achilles, 10, #401 of 2009 🔗

Abolutely agree.

236576 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 7, #402 of 2009 🔗

Seconded! The game is up.

236621 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Achilles, 5, #403 of 2009 🔗

Yeah. Don’t believe it for one second. This government will continue lying even when their collective noses have sprung a forest!

236558 calchas, 6, #404 of 2009 🔗

As many people know, enormous problems developed in the US debt markets last Autumn – with the repo market in particular.

Well- known precious metals investor Jim Sinclar (www.jsmineset.com), calls this the best-timed pandemic in history, because it allowed the central banks to, albeit temporarily, get a little grip on the situation by crushing global demand, and hang on for a little longer.

236561 mhcp, 5, #405 of 2009 🔗

If you look up the Dunning-Kruger effect you may stop at the bit where it details those with little experience believing they are much more capable than they are.

But if you look in more detail, those who are experts tend to downplay their expertise believing they are less capable. And the comparison between the two groups is such that initial hubris is always the higher one.

Basically, amateurs have the highest bluff.

The effect applies to any subject you learn. So it doesn’t matter if you are an expert pianist, you may exhibit the effect if you learn the drums. Or more if you learn a language.

For a smoother transition it is important to have the expert/sceptic types to temper wild assertions.

Now ask yourself: where are these people in our government?

236563 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 40, #406 of 2009 🔗

Does anyone else have a pet hate? Mine is people posting on social media or in newspaper comments. The virus would be over/ stop spreading if only the inconsiderate idiots wore masks/distanced/stayed at home itc etc. If I had a £1 for every time I’ve seen this I’d be wealthy. Don’t these folk know a virus spreads come what may? Now I would be cross if people coughed in my face or came to visit when obviously suffering from some virus, I call that inconsiderate, but why must people complain about people just living?

236573 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #407 of 2009 🔗

“Rape would be over if we just taught all men not to rape”

That kind of simplistic thinking. That there is only one reason for this and it’s what I’ve been told rather than what the data says.

236727 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to mhcp, 2, #408 of 2009 🔗

Or killed all men…which is the equivalent of the covid response

236592 ▶▶ steph, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 13, #409 of 2009 🔗

Yes, I’m only on Faceache to keep abreast of criminal activities in the village. My presence is as small as it can be and I can’t ordinarily be found / friended. I do really struggle, however to keep my mouth shut when I see all of this nonsense. I have to have a severe word with myself and not engage. They are too stupid to reason with anyway.
The real truth is it woulda all be over very quickly bar a few mini spikes if they all ditched their masks and we stopped testing like crazy.

236655 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 11, #410 of 2009 🔗

Agree with you on that. That’s why I’m rarely on Arsebook as well.

I also hate the virtue signalling when it comes to muzzles where they post selfies of themselves out and about while wearing muzzles made out of “cute” fabrics or adorned with “cute” characters. I don’t think they realise that far from making them look good, they look rather stupid and if I didn’t know them, I would rather run a mile from them rather than engage.

Not to mention that far from protecting themselves from a virus, I seriously doubt they realise that they’re storing more serious problems for themselves in the future.

237158 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #411 of 2009 🔗

I’m semi-boycotting Facebook, on once every two days at most to check if any friends have posted anything significant. I did post on it today to mention that James P Johnson is Composer of the Week on BBC Radio 3. Of course I switched off the radio before the 1 o’ clock news/propaganda broadcast!

236564 Will, replying to Will, #412 of 2009 🔗

This from the DT news feed is interesting. Woolhouse is probably right that only half of people with infections are being picked up by testing, but, in spite of that cases continue to fall:

Around half of the positive coronavirus cases in the UK are not being identified as people are ignoring symptoms for fear of having to self isolate, a pandemics expert has said.
Mark Woolhouse, professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh, said these cases mean attempts to control the virus are being done “with one hand behind our back”.
Mr Woolhouse sits on a sub-group of SAGE and is a member of the Scottish Government’s Covid-19 advisory group.
He said the mass testing scheme in Liverpool, where anyone in the city can be tested for coronavirus, regardless of whether they have symptoms, is trying to combat that “we’re still not finding about half of the Covid cases in Scotland or in the UK”.
Speaking on the BBC Scotland’s Seven Days programme, Prof Woolhouse said: “It’s probably partly because many of them are asymptomatic or so mildly infected they don’t recognise the symptoms.
“Partly because people do have symptoms but actually genuinely aren’t recognising them as Covid – I’ve heard a few cases of that in the last week.
“And also the possibility that some people are having symptoms and actually ignoring them, perhaps because they don’t want to go into self-isolation.
“Whatever the reason, those missed 50 per cent of cases – it’s like trying to control the epidemic with one hand tied behind our back. We can’t do it effectively if those cases are not also being self isolated and their contacts traced. It’s going to make it much more difficult.”

236570 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Will, 9, #413 of 2009 🔗

The man is blind. You don’t control an epidemic. What you control is the measurement of that epidemic. He clearly doesn’t see that.

237061 ▶▶ annie, replying to Will, #414 of 2009 🔗

I’m sure he’s right. You get a positive test, you get locked up, your family
gets locked up, your children can’t go to school, you can’t go to work, you can’t go shopping even, everybody else you’ve ever met gets locked up … Would you rush to Confess?? I bloody wouldn’t.

236579 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 18, #416 of 2009 🔗

When I read that Boris was ‘bounced’ in to a second ‘lockdown’ I am reminded of the phrase ‘Wenn das der Führer wüsste …’.
Ordinary Germans who were confronted with obvious failures or excesses of the Third Reich found it hard to believe that their leader knew what was being done in his name.
It’s certainly hard to believe that Boris would agree with any of the disastrous measures implemented by his Government, but the fact remains that he is in charge and is responsible for the consequences. If he is ‘in office, but not in power’, he should make way for someone capable of more pragmatic leadership.

236606 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to DJ Dod, 18, #417 of 2009 🔗

He owns 100% of his decision, whether he likes it or not.

You can delegate actions, but you can’t delegate responsibility.

236610 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Mabel Cow, 9, #418 of 2009 🔗

Absolutely. The problem for him is the job got too difficult. He thought a quick no nonsense Brexit and he would be a hero.
He forgot events can happen and he needed to man up and deal with them. If he can’t be bothered to learn and think outside his comfort zone then he’d better bugger off quickly and let somebody else do it. I think John Redwood or IDS as a caretaker to get us through this mess. They cannot stay on after though as the Conservative Party is toxic.

236676 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to steph, 6, #419 of 2009 🔗

Possibly, but I think he likes the role of Dictator too much.

In addition Boris always had a job and more than enough money to pay the bills – this is in stark contrast with people that lost their jobs and businesses and can’t put food on the table. Most of these lost jobs will never return.

237066 ▶▶ annie, replying to DJ Dod, #420 of 2009 🔗

It goes back way before Hitler. In medieval and early modern Britain, bad times were always blamed on the king’s evil counsellors, not on the king. It worked well for horrible Henry VIII: he just chopped off his ministers’ heads and emerged smelling of roses.

236585 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #421 of 2009 🔗

Re: NHS staff.
In my 44 year working life (Public and Private) I would venture the following figures: 50% of workers do their jobs normally/ 20% work their selves half to death,work their “ballies”(bellies) out and go the extra 100 miles and 30% are skivers,slackers, bone idle and use any excuse to get out of work.
What do fellow sceptics think?

236599 ▶▶ steph, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #422 of 2009 🔗

Probably but does the panel think that it is more skewed to the bone idle and also incompetent in Public employment?

236608 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, 5, #423 of 2009 🔗

20,30 years ago I would agree with you but in the last 20 years I would say that there are as many “skivers,etc” in both public and private.

236619 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #424 of 2009 🔗

True that employment legislation has made it harder to deal with them in all workplace environments. But they can at least be treated like the chocolate fireguards they are in private employment and maybe take the hint and move on. They have certainly always risen to the top of the list for compulsory redundancies in my experience even if, technically, their job isn’t redundant it can be engineered that way

236623 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, #425 of 2009 🔗

Good point.

236613 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to steph, 7, #426 of 2009 🔗

Having worked in the private, charity and public sector then YES. I worked at a large local authority on the outskirts of London and have never in my life met so many who wouldn’t have been employed anywhere else.

236632 ▶▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #427 of 2009 🔗

Having also worked in local government for brief periods (one of those EU funded temp contract for 18 months) I can agree with that – mostly clueless ‘no idea’ types who really know how to waste public funds.

236665 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #428 of 2009 🔗

Indeed. Did some work for one of the London Councils where they implemented ‘Shared Services’ (meaning work is mostly done on a computer/online and telephone contact with internal customer). People had to apply for the new positions and they were all shoehorned into these positions. One had no computer skills and the other was afraid to speak to people on the telephone.

236603 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #429 of 2009 🔗

‘Twas ever thus. I can’t think of a place I’ve ever worked where I didn’t feel I was carrying someone else. Except in our local Hospice, and that was mainly voluntary – but even the paid staff go more than the extra mile, working out of hours too.
This is at least one charity worth supporting!

236768 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #430 of 2009 🔗

Like the old joke: How many people work here? About half of them…

236811 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to The Filthy Engineer, #431 of 2009 🔗

As they say “The old ones are the best”

236776 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #432 of 2009 🔗

I would say that’s about right. Public sector workers tend (or tended) to be a bit more ready to go “on the sick”.

236818 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mayo, #433 of 2009 🔗

And of course, if you weren’t on the “staff” :”If you didn’t work, you didn’t get paid”
My wife, a office worker for most of her working life have had many a argument over it but after 48 years we are still together.

236591 calchas, 2, #434 of 2009 🔗

You can’t go mad for free – it costs, and that cost is increasing.

The Bank of England announced 150 bn Pounds more of quantitative easing several days ago:

Source of graph -Bank of England

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236593 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 8, #435 of 2009 🔗

I see the word ”cases” is still being used, rather than ”positive results” or whatever. We’ll never be able to convince the Terminally Terrified that people are NOT dying on the streets unless we use other ways of describing the outcomes of this obsessive testing.

236597 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Banjones, #436 of 2009 🔗

Agree. + Results from a very unreliable test.

236605 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Banjones, 4, #437 of 2009 🔗

Given that practically every person returning a positive PCR test result isn’t actually dying or even very ill, perhaps we should just spin “case” to mean “a case where somebody has successfully demonstrated that their body is able to handle SARS-CoV-2”.

236615 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #438 of 2009 🔗

Is that immunity?

236650 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Banjones, 2, #439 of 2009 🔗

Agreed.

If we can stop using the word ‘bedwetter’, then we can stop using the word ‘cases’.

236660 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Banjones, #440 of 2009 🔗

Using the terminology ‘cases’ is part of the propaganda and scaremongering approach.

236678 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Banjones, 3, #441 of 2009 🔗

It really gets my back up when I see it reported as infections! They’re not infections, they’re the result of a dodgy test that has no declared false positive rate and also the government’s own guidelines says cannot be used to determine is someone is infectious or not! If I could be bothered I’d complain to the BBC etc. about the wording but they’ll claim it’s correct.

236595 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #442 of 2009 🔗

13 days of hospital admissions to English hospitals. This doubling every 7 or 8 days is getting out of hand!
Also remember that over this period a growing number, from something like 10% to 20% are transfers of pre-existing hospital patients who get infected in-hospital.
Please ask your local MP why they voted for and continue to support the Lockdown. Perhaps your recently redunded neighbours may also be interested, or they could get this information from the BBC, if they ever reported it!

236741 ▶▶ CGL, replying to NickR, 7, #443 of 2009 🔗

Mine (copied to my mates Des and Graham) :-

Dear Laura,

Bearing the above in mind (sourced from official data) lease could you let me know why the Lockdown was voted for?

I would like to add that from what I am seeing currently, regarding people wagging fingers, reporting people for normal human interractions and spying on others, I believe this current ‘snitching’ mentality and the encouragement these nasty people are getting is actually going to cause more civil unrest, even after this is (ever) over. Neighbours will be warring for years over this. The divisions that have been caused will run too deep to ever be mended – our communities will never recover from this.

As far as the police are concerned – consent is now lost. The public can never trust them again. All those years of goodwill – completely broken in a few (long) months. Or don’t we need to trust them again now? Is there another plan to keep us all supine? Beatings next perhaps?

I ask you again – what have you all done to the people of this country? There will be a new normal alright – one where no-one has any trust in any element of authority. Chaos will rule supreme.

Regards,

236766 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 2, #444 of 2009 🔗

Can you provide a link to the source please? It’s one of those graphs that is incredibly powerful, yet simple.

236914 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, #446 of 2009 🔗

Many thanks

236601 Steve Hayes, 6, #447 of 2009 🔗

Regarding NHS capacity. Back in 2016 Exercise Cygnus concluded that in the event of a pandemic (which tend to happen every decade or so) the NHS would be overwhelmed. The government decided not to increase NHS capacity. Instead it decided to draft potential legislation, which became the Coronavirus Act 2020. Even Jeremy Hunt, who was the Health Secretary, has admitted these facts, which cast serious doubt on the government’s claim to be concerned to save lives and be following the science. If the government’s expressed motivation was true, surely it would have increased capacity, rather than draft legislation that allows it to govern by ministerial decree (see especially Part 2 Section 90 of the Act)? This question cannot be brushed away by simply pretending that the failure to increase capacity is in the past and pretending the government this year has different priorities because right now the government is decommissioning the Nightingale hospitals that were created during the first lockdown to supposedly increase NHS capacity. Nothing about the government’s responses to the coronavirus make sense if judged by the criterion of the claimed motivation to save lives by following the science.

236602 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 17, #448 of 2009 🔗

I am surprised that no-one, in all this time, has mentioned an obvious potential cure for this illness, routinely-used in Germany (albeit for other illnesses); hyperthermia. I have personally experienced the effects of this.

Many years ago, I got a very bad cold. The Common Cold is a Coronavirus, so my story applies directly to COVID-19. I felt really rough, so I went to the sauna in our private gymnasium (I was in the Army). It was a Saturday afternoon, when no-one else was around. As this was in the days before any Health & Safety nonsense, I cranked up the dial on the sauna to 140 degrees Fahrenheit, threw water on the heater, and sat down. The next three hours were admittedly very unpleasant; the steam and hot air stung my nostrils and my body heat went up. After three hours of being heated through-and-through in a very humid environment, I stepped out of the sauna and put the shower on, very hot, and slowly cooled myself down, reducing the water temperature bit by bit. If I had been doing this at my own expense, I would have used a hot bath and just let the water cool slowly. I then returned to my room and went to sleep.

In the morning, I woke up to a revelation, the like of which I had never experienced before. My cold was gone; I didn’t just “feel better”, I didn’t have the remains of a cold; it was GONE, as in never having existed. I later found out that the German hospitals use this as a cure for a number of diseases. The exact temperature used in Germany, under strict medical supervision by an anaesthetist, is 2 hours at a body temperature of 108 degrees Fahrenheit.

The Germans use a modified kidney dialysis machine with the blood heater boosted to 108 degrees. The effect was magical, a complete and total cure, with no side effects.

I also later found out that President Reagan had this treatment. He was cured of his illness, and went on to live for another five years or so, eventually to die of something else. I tried to tell a nurse about this, only to brusquely rebuffed with an angry “Well you’ll just have a heart attack” – and I was sitting there. President Reagan was extremely elderly when he had the same treatment, so it can’t be that lethal.

Of course, you’ll never hear of the disgusting Unbalanced or Witless talking about this; the profits from a dodgy vaccine are too great.

236607 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to RichardJames, 2, #449 of 2009 🔗

Fascinating. Thanks for that.

236622 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to RichardJames, 2, #450 of 2009 🔗

Lots of Swedes have saunas in their bathrooms 😉

Saunas have always been popular over here..

236629 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Carrie, 3, #451 of 2009 🔗

The Fins are the sauna masters though.

236754 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to mhcp, 4, #452 of 2009 🔗

Don’t the Japanese also use saunas frequently – or is that just a myth.

Finland & Japan have relatively few serious Covid cases.

236870 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mayo, 2, #453 of 2009 🔗

They do yes – my kids went there this time last year on a (state) school trip (I know right!) – saunas are definitely part of Japanese culture.

236656 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RichardJames, 7, #454 of 2009 🔗

Great post. Indeed, it is very beneficial.

That is also why fever is beneficial in fighting virus infections. If you artificially reduce fever (taking calpol etc), then your body can’t properly fight the virus and people might get ‘sicker’ and take longer to recover

*Fever is part of your body’s immune response; it’s how your body kills pathogens

*Treating fever can prolong and exacerbate illness, and has been shown to increase mortality

Infrared Sauna therapy has similar benefits to traditional sauna https://drjockers.com/infrared-sauna-therapy/

236700 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, #455 of 2009 🔗

Hot baths or saunas are a great aid to health but I am not sure they should be confused with the fever process itself. Heat work

236804 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Victoria, #456 of 2009 🔗

It depends how high the body temperature is – pyrexia.

236800 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to RichardJames, 2, #457 of 2009 🔗

I would caution though, if you had an elevated temperature at the time, and this intervention caused it to increase further, then you could be looking at severe rigors, vomiting and health issues.

237074 ▶▶ annie, replying to RichardJames, 1, #458 of 2009 🔗

Shame on you, wanting to cook your granny!

236612 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 17, #459 of 2009 🔗

“I think he [Boris] is concerned that he may have been bounced into it,” the source said.

“He was really, really cross about the leak because at that point a different decision might still have been made.

Pathetic and spineless Boris. You are in charge and you were ‘bounced’ into locking us up trampling on our rights and liberties.

You will be known as the most pathetic PM ever.

236645 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Victoria, 2, #460 of 2009 🔗

The last 4 Premier’s we’re awful enough Johnson is woeful and need s to go

236618 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 28, #461 of 2009 🔗

When an Assistant Chief Constable feels they can publicly condemn citizens for exercising their fundamental rights to assembly and protest we are living in a police state.

236642 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #462 of 2009 🔗

The man needs removing from his position

236696 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Adam, 15, #463 of 2009 🔗

When London Police Commissioner Dick called on people to use social disapproval and shaming to force people to comply with the rules, she should have been forced to resign. When Derbyshire police used drones to intimidate and shame people for walking dogs in the Peaks, there should have been forced resignations. When senior police officers threatened to monitor people’s supermarket shopping baskets to ensure that they were not buying non-essential items, they should have been forced to resign. This list could go on and on.

236740 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #464 of 2009 🔗

Threatened to check shopping – on video – then lied about it later. Double whammy.

236809 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #465 of 2009 🔗

They should never be allowed to get away with any of these. At some point they will have to pay especially if they don’t want the general populace calling for their blood or taking matters into their own hands.

236627 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 11, #466 of 2009 🔗

NHS has endless capacity for DIE, diversity, inclusion and equity policing. See this recent job advert for the critically important position of DIE gauleiter:
916205371

And this fuller list of the angelic task involved:

“So what will I be doing as EDI Officer?
You will support the EDI team in the delivery of a range of EDI work streams, but more specifically, the Workforce Race Equality Standard, Workforce Disability Equality Standard, Disability Confident, Gender Pay Gap and Stonewall WEI action plans. As there is a wide range of fundamental elements under the EDI umbrella, you will be working with the Assistant Director of Workforce, the E&D Facilitator, BAME Facilitator and the BAME Staff Network Chair, to help create a truly inclusive environment for staff and patients”

What a fillip to dying patients (of non COVID, real ailments) that your last breath would be in a ‘truly inclusive environment’.

DIE NHS

237103 ▶▶ annie, replying to TyRade, 3, #467 of 2009 🔗

You will no longer sadlidie.
You will inclusivlidie.

236628 david, 1, #468 of 2009 🔗

Important to be clear:

37% of staff are absent with covid (presumably some absent from other causes so absentee rate > 37%

Or

37% of absent staff have covid which would, other things being equal, imply an absentee rate 37% higher than normal.

Both bad but important to be precise

236635 Victoria, 7, #469 of 2009 🔗

Thanks for these great pieces of information on how to survive. Now to get it out to all

Everything comes with the “ reasonable excuse ” caveat but doesn’t define a reasonable excuse so if you are approached by the police for breaching one of the regulations simply claim to have a reasonable excuse as you don’t appear to have to define what that excuse is.

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People also need to understand that Fixed Penalty Notices are not compulsory so if a police officer tries to issue you with one, particularly if it is for a ridiculous sum of money, simply refuse to accept it and ask to be summoned to court instead . Preparing a summons file is a laborious task which most officers don’t have time to do and, in any case, the CPS have failed to prosecute anyone so far as the law is so vague.

236637 mattghg, replying to mattghg, #470 of 2009 🔗

I would like to use this opportunity to publicly* condemn Mabs Hussain.

Not “publically”…

236735 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to mattghg, 3, #471 of 2009 🔗

Could have been worse… 🙂

236647 calchas, replying to calchas, 24, #472 of 2009 🔗

A fellow commenter asked us a couple of days back whether we were extroverts or introverts.

I think most who answered, said that they were introverts.

At first glance one might think that the majority of lockdown sceptice would be extroverts, because they enjoy having a much broader social life, and surely therefore they must suffer most with the present situation.

Thinking about it, I have come to the conclusion that introverts sufer more.

All of us, introverts or extroverts need social contact, introverts less than extroverts, but still some.

Before lockdown began extroverts had already built up a wide circles of friends and acquaintances, which they have been able to maintain through lockdown, albeit meeting more informally in homes, gardens etc.

Introverts, by contrast. have always gained much of their social contact from the incidental meetings of everyday life – the little conversations here and there, with only a small circle of real friends.

With lockdown and masking, this incidental social life has been considerably reduced. In this situation the extrovert has a large circle of possible friends to fall back on and in the constrained circumstances is much more capable than the introvert of maintaining contact with others, even under conditions of masking and anti-social distancing.- opening conversations etc.

By contrast, the hurdles for opening social contact have, for the introvert, risen ever higher.

236668 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 11, #473 of 2009 🔗

Summed things up for me quite precisely. I am an introvert with a limited social circle. Any of the hobbies I do have been closed down. Effectively, placed under house arrest for 8 months.

236707 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to JHuntz, 7, #474 of 2009 🔗

Sums me up also. I have looked at it this way, I would score my overall enjoyment of life in terms of my ability taking into account finance and health amongst other things to do what I want, as between 7 or 8 out of 10 pre covid. Generally as a fit 71 year old I was happy. Now I would rate my life as 2 to 3 out of 10. There is not a single thing I would like to do that is doable as I would wish.

236805 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to dhpaul, 3, #475 of 2009 🔗

Im at the sub 5 out a 10 territory right now aswell. The main thing keeping me going is my utter anger at this current situation.

236670 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 8, #476 of 2009 🔗

Certainly agree about the incidental social contact, anyone who enjoys this has had a very hard time, the world is a much more unfriendly place. The people who seem more content to look at their phone than have a real life conversation with a stranger have had a much easier time.

Narcissists and virtue signallers which are both conditions the social engineers at big tech have helped make common also seem to have had an easier time.

236671 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to calchas, 11, #477 of 2009 🔗

Indeed. I am an introvert so I don’t really have many social networks to fall back on. But that was the way I liked it – I prefer having a very close circle of authentic connections rather than just lots of superficial ‘pals’. The very few connections I did have before this were enough for me, but obviously they’ve all been taken away now. And as you say, it’s now even harder to make any sort of new connections in this horrendous new dystopia.

236691 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to calchas, #478 of 2009 🔗

Agree, I’m on board with this too. good points. I suppose it’s somewhat narrowed down the gene pool when thinking about potential social contacts & partners! trying to look at that in a positive way!

236718 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to calchas, 8, #479 of 2009 🔗

It was me who conducted that poll, and yes, the majority on here are introverts as I expected. My theory was that introverts are more insulated from peer pressure and the majority view, and therefore more likely to think clearly and come to our own conclusions. But I like your viewpoint, it’s definitely true for me. I don’t have a large group of friends and it’s been much more difficult to maintain social contact, especially with those who are not sceptics. Great theory!

236733 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to calchas, 12, #480 of 2009 🔗

As an introvert myself, I have spent my life having to make up my own mind about things because I can’t simply inherit the views of my social group (because I don’t have one).

I suspect that a lifetime of not having your opinion handed to you might have an influence on levels of scepticism.

236765 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #481 of 2009 🔗

Most definitely.

236829 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #482 of 2009 🔗

Agree and I also come from a culture where conformity is ruthlessly imposed, my rebellion against that has led me to become cynical and not accept anything I’m told 100%

236756 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to calchas, 8, #483 of 2009 🔗

I might be a stand-out on today’s post. I am extrovert. Since primary school (from the age of about 6 or 7) I have been variously described as ‘aggressive’ or ‘opinionated’ because I do not behave like most women (so I have often been told!). I do not respect authority, question everything I am told until I am completely convinced I am wrong, and play to win albeit I think/hope I am gracious in defeat. Thank you dad!

236770 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #484 of 2009 🔗

Yes – I’ll always admit when I’m wrong. My main thing is I will not have people telling me what i have to do – particularly if it makes no sense or I don’t agree with it. That’s my Dad too! He did take it to extremes though – he only started eating chocolate after they told him he was diabetic – I’m not quite that silly!

236780 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to calchas, 1, #485 of 2009 🔗

I actually wonder about representational systems – the way people perceive the world. There are four main groups, auditory, visual, kinaesthetic and auditory digital. The first 3, people see the world more related to those senses where as Ad, there is more questioning and analysis. People tend to have a stronger lead RS, though combinations of more than one are possible. I am strong Ad, as is my husband ( there is a test you can do to find out which RS you are). When I was on an NLP course, it was interesting to note that the non Ad people seemed to not only be compliant on covid regs, but were only informed by the msm, knew very little about the information I imparted or the fact there were alternative information sources other than the msm. Additionally, they were also full into climate change, knew little about other ‘alternative’ world issues, events or seemed interested to question or research them. We had a couple of people who were strong sceptics and also up on all the other nonsense with WHO, U.N., Gates etc., so we had some lively debates. Anyway, I digress, but, although a very small sample group, it seemed the ones who knew more of what was going on and questionned the narrative were in the Ad group.

236803 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to calchas, #486 of 2009 🔗

Spot on, describes me to a tee!

236816 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to calchas, 4, #487 of 2009 🔗

Well said. This describes me down to a T.

Over the summer I came across an article written by someone who’s an introvert. He was told that he must find lockdown easy since it means not having to meet people, make small talk, etc, His article is a response to that remark, that on the contrary he’s finding lockdown a struggle since he can’t go out, grab a coffee, people watch or even have the opportunity to have a small chat with someone.

That article and this comment pretty much articulate what I think and who I am. The hurdles have pretty much been higher agree and if you’re like me who has had a history of being bullied, anti-social distancing and muzzling has resulted into a siege mentality for me.

237150 ▶▶▶ Bailie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #488 of 2009 🔗

Absolutely. I’m amazed at the things I really miss, going out for a coffee in a normal environment is definitely up there. I’m further handicapped by having friends and family almost wholly MSM devotees, and are reluctant to meet up. The visceral reaction I have to mask wearer’s means all outings are stressful.

237996 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bailie, #489 of 2009 🔗

The masked muppets ruin everything but they couldn;t care less. They are wearing them for us though of course. How does that work when they wear them in their cars. I really worry that these mornons will still be doing this even if it is ever over.

237409 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to calchas, 1, #490 of 2009 🔗

100% bang on. I’ve always been a deep introvert, but the one thing I’ve learnt from this shambles is that I NEED human interaction.

I had no idea, none at all, just how important my weekly running races were, where I would mix with a crowd of near strangers and absorb the buzz and their energy.

Or how important it was for me to go to a pub after a hard day working alone, have some banter with the bar staff and then sit quietly in the corner people watching whilst half pretending to read a good book.

All gone now, and I’m not sure it will ever come back again. Or at least, when it does come back, the hurdles (as you say) will be too high – I’m not tracking and tracing, not for anything, ever.

236648 Adam, 1, #491 of 2009 🔗
236651 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 29, #492 of 2009 🔗

West Midlands Police: “We’re committed to keeping our communities safe from the deadly virus , however on this occasion, we got this wrong as the man told us that he was exempt.”

By destroying their lives and liberties.

I have lost all faith in the Police – disgusting, brainwashed simpletons.

236657 ▶▶ calchas, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #493 of 2009 🔗

The Police are merely a blunt instrument in the hands of the government, with just as much power of independent thought

236732 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #494 of 2009 🔗

There are two publicly available documents, ten minutes perusal of which would have told WMP that they were wrong. Having already looked at them myself, I knew instantly that the cops in the video were wrong. The documents are (1) Govmt guidance on face coverings, and (2) the legislation on face coverings. Hint for WMP: legislation… law… police… geddit?

236748 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #495 of 2009 🔗

‘ disgusting, aggressive, arrogant, brainwashed simpletons. No worse combination than arrogance and thickness. I have noticed on several videos, the need for hands in pockets and over-sized clothes on female officers, general scruffy appearance, absence of cap/helmet-this slovenly act sums up their lack of respect for what the uniform once represented, and equally their role, function and consequently the public they are there to serve not harass.
How far would things need to go for the army to come out in support of the public, I wonder. Though most senior members are probably common purpose, so I guess the government can do what they like.

236773 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Nsklent, 6, #496 of 2009 🔗

I don’t really have much faith in the armed forces either. If anything, they are more brainwashed than the police. It’s only when they leave the army and witness first hand how the government does not give a shit about them and they end up with mental problems and homeless that they realise what has happened to them.

238014 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Nsklent, 1, #497 of 2009 🔗

Actually the ladies/girls are forced into these oversized clothes – that’s all there is. It’s another Common Purpose ploy to make people fat and ugly.

And for a skeptical site the dozens of upticks on the *police disgust me* type posts, you disgust me too ….. that you cannot see that you are being played and falling right into what the powers that be want to create, complete hatred between the people and the bobbies.

Get a grip!!!!!!!

You are doing their work for them.

We need to say NO to this as well. Give us back our ordinary decent police force. Our whole society needs reform and this type of attitude merely creates what you included do not want to see.

I’m not even going to apologise for my rant. Lockdown Sceptics should be able to see through this agenda of destruction as well and do all in our power to slow down this appalling trend.

Do you want to recover a decent society or not? or are we to be like the French Revolution where we get rid of one bunch of psychopaths only to replace them with a worse?

238250 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Rosie, #498 of 2009 🔗

Thanks for this.

You’re right, it is all to sow division. My brother in law is a police special. I know he is a good person, but it scares the hell out of me what he might be made to do. When I see police acting in the way they have been recently it sickens me, hence the “they’re all ****s” post.

I wish he’d give up the night job and spend more time with his family.

I’m sorry if I offended anyone, it’s just how I feel.

If they started acting like the “old school common law” police that we all don’t mind paying taxes for, then they can redeem themselves in my eyes.

I fear that this might not happen though, hence my original rant.

238003 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #499 of 2009 🔗

I think the police are permanently scarred by this…i would never help them out again after this….and i have also been a law abiding person who supported them. Never again.

236654 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 6, #500 of 2009 🔗

“Conservative MPs complained that the information they were provided with was insufficiently detailed for them to make an informed decision on the matter. The motion was duly carried.”

This confirms what our MP told us in our phone conversation with him on Friday. He said that MPs were very unhappy about the slowness of the Dept of Health in providing any information requested.

It doesn’t excuse the fact that they voted in favour of a motion where they weren’t in possession of the full facts. Our MP, for example told us that he voted for lockdown purely on the basis of the numbers he had been given from our local hospital trust which, as we pointed out, receives many patients from a wide area, way beyond the city boundaries.

Part of our response to him was:
”We are never told whether patients included in the hospital data were tested and became ill BEFORE they were admitted to hospital, or were taken to hospital with something else and tested positive WHILE they were in hospital. The data also does not tell us whether these patients with POSITIVE tests are actually being treated for symptoms of the virus or being treated for something else.”

One example that I often quote is that of Kenny Dalgliesh. He went into hospital earlier this year with a gall bladder problem. He tested positive for Covid whilst in hospital but had no symptoms. When he was discharged, he was sent home to isolate.

236664 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Margaret, 14, #501 of 2009 🔗

If insufficient information is given to reach a decision, then surely you should vote against? That has to be the safest position to take??

236693 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #502 of 2009 🔗

Not if you embrace the precautionary principle and think that dying in your 80s or 90s with a positive covid test is the worst fate that could ever befall someone. Nor if you fail to recognise that there is nothing safe about tyranny.

236695 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #503 of 2009 🔗

Or vote to postpone this decision while awaiting sufficient information. Not good enough to say the matter is urgent. I am sure we have all been in the situation when a salesman, eager to clinch a sale, says that the offer is only valid today. What do we do? Call their bluff, of course. This is no different.
I wonder what threats were made if MPs voted against?

237109 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, #504 of 2009 🔗

Never told? Never bloody asked, did they?

236658 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 6, #505 of 2009 🔗

This minky business is surely a socialist plot to blame the lifestyles of the rich and tasteless for the plague? What next, Bentley Bentayga bugs, Vuitton virus, ermine epidemic, poodle pox, Saint Laurent spores…

236697 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to TyRade, #506 of 2009 🔗

Not forgetting muesli mucus and latte lip sores!

236788 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to TyRade, #507 of 2009 🔗

Artisan loaf weevils

236663 OKUK, 9, #508 of 2009 🔗

So this is the narrative put out by Whitty, Vallance, Johnson and Stevens – with my comments in parentheses:

1. Despite our best efforts, the virus is out of control and there is a possibility that Covid deaths could reach 4000 per day. (Not true. Based on poor science and old data. The 4000 a day claim now withdrawn. R rate was falling in any case. )

2. Due to 1, there was a consequent huge rise in hospitalisations that would shortly overwhelm the NHS. (Not true – we now learn that the real problem is the huge absentee rate among NHS staff which appears to be a consequence of the testing regime. The other reason is the government refused to fund an expansion of NHS capacity over the summer. )

3. All excess non Covid deaths associated with Lockdown are to be put on the Covid side. (This is a contemptible and nonsensical argument. Lockdowns are a government decision – so is deciding to frighten the public out if its wits. We see from Sweden that national lockdowns and spreading fear are a matter of public policy – the Swedes did not opt for draconian lockdowns and they maintained a sober and sensible dialogue with the public.

4. Lockdowns work, test and trace work and a vaccine will work. (There is absolutely no evidence for any of these three assertions.)

236666 calchas, 2, #509 of 2009 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjK1B_vUVAA

Watch this before it is taken down.

Coronavirus, patents and Fauci.

236672 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 14, #510 of 2009 🔗

A month ago, I think there was a fair bit of doom and gloom on the sceptic side, some of it being exploited by interlopers.

Now not so much. We have over 30 Tory rebels not prepared to go along with the plan. Reports suggested this could rise to 100. Both the Mail and Telegraph have taken up anti lockdown positions. The government’s ramshackle statistical presentations have fallen apart in their hands.

It’s all looking so much better.

236688 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to OKUK, 1, #511 of 2009 🔗

Some of the “interlopers” are actually on the sceptic side but they are sceptical of claims made by both sides.

236994 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to OKUK, #512 of 2009 🔗

Plus the 500 doctors, health specialists scientists etc.

236673 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 6, #513 of 2009 🔗

You try telling any lockdown fan that what we are dealing with is a seasonal virus. However it was prevalent in March/ April, disappeared through the summer (with 2 million visitors to the south west and no-one in hospital there) and then re-appears in the autumn. Seasonal?

236681 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Bill Hickling, 7, #514 of 2009 🔗

There’s definitely a seasonal element. The fact that the prevalence of the virus increased in pretty much every country across Europe at much the same time is not a coincidence.

236706 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, #515 of 2009 🔗

And yet seems to be rising longest and hardest in those countries that locked down earliest and hardest. Obviously the UK being over the peak must be down to the impeccably observed Test and Trace and tiring systems!?!?

236715 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 2, #516 of 2009 🔗

Seasonal plus maybe some residual effects from having locked down earlier, longer and harder which may have had some impact on the spread. Lots of those countries are masked up too, which may have an impact.

236802 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, #517 of 2009 🔗

I’d like to see what happens in Sweden over the next few weeks before coming to any conclusions about significantly greater levels of immunity in the the later (or non) lockdowners.

Germany still seem have some control despite being bordered by countries with rapidly increasing cases.

236712 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 2, #518 of 2009 🔗

clearly massively seasonal. not one country in europe ‘let it get out of control’ in the summer

236714 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #519 of 2009 🔗

Seasonal might not mean what you think it does. Its probably little to do with weather, but more to do with the times of year when most people move locations permanently or semi-permanently, they swop herds, so some of the herd immunity drops for a period before it build back up. A lot of movement of people between late August and October for instance, maybe up to 10% of population, which is enough to unbalance herd immunity for a period.

236787 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to peyrole, 1, #520 of 2009 🔗

And complete the herd immunity as all those youngsters that had been locked away from the virus and have now been exposed and are immune. The piece from the other day, on here, plotting the gap between the UK fatality curve and the natural fatality curve appears more right by the day.

236728 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #521 of 2009 🔗

Ivor Cummings did a great video showing the seasonality of covids, the same infection curves can clearly be seen in different part of the globe taking a similar shape but temperate climates had a flatter curve than more polar regions.

236821 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Bill Hickling, #522 of 2009 🔗

Total all cause mortality is around or just below normal for this time of year.
Flu and other respiratory deaths are lower, with the Covid-19 rate appearing to have replaced those that would usually appear in those categories.

236685 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 7, #523 of 2009 🔗

I think at this stage there just bamboozling us. What does the below even mean from Nicola Sturg-un?

“If we go into winter with a high level of infection, even if it is a stable high level of infection, any increase in the R number again, which may well happen because people in the winter are more likely to be in indoors environments, that increase in the R number will operate on a higher baseline and more quickly overwhelm it.

“That is not me signalling that we’re about to put the country into level four. We will take any decisions around that carefully.”

“But it is probably me signalling that we have to be a bit cautious about too quickly moving too many parts of the country down the levels system and opening up the country too much, too quickly because then we run the risk on that high baseline of things taking off again.”

236717 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHuntz, 4, #524 of 2009 🔗

Absolute gobbeldygook from Wee Sticky Nurgeon

236724 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, 4, #525 of 2009 🔗

Pish. She is so far gone and invested too much in it she is now talking gibberish.

236731 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to JHuntz, 6, #526 of 2009 🔗

It sounds as though she is reading from the script provided by the non-scientist, non-medic with the portfolio of ‘alternative facts’, Professor Devi Sridhar.

236832 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JHuntz, 3, #527 of 2009 🔗

“which may well happen because people in the winter are more likely to be in indoors environments,”

So she is admitting that confining people to their homes will increase cases.

236847 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ewan Duffy, #528 of 2009 🔗

A very good spot Ewan. If only our journalists would call them out on it.

236698 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #529 of 2009 🔗

Isn’t Johnson despicable? Sitting around whining that he was “bounced” into lockdown, like he had no choice in the matter. He’s the f’ing Prime Minister of the country, I’m certainly no Thatcher fan but can you imagine her sitting around crying because the big boys made her do it?

He had the power. He could have insisted on more complete data and modelling. He could have had it sense checked by an external agency. He could have come out on Saturday and informed the public that the leak was premature and incorrect. He could come out right now and inform the public that the data was wrong, the situation is stabilising and lockdown is no longer required.

But no, he’s too scared of looking weak. So instead he just sits back and looks even weaker. This must be the end for him, surely?

236702 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #530 of 2009 🔗

should have said I’m not doing anything without a cost benefit analysis. I am amazed that SAGE think the effects of lockdown are outside their remit

236966 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to steve_w, #531 of 2009 🔗

Well yes. But SAGE also said that the Treasury are responsible for that analysis. So – are they doing it? Who sees it? Why can’t we?

236964 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to A. Contrarian, #532 of 2009 🔗

He is following the agenda.

236699 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #533 of 2009 🔗

The Philippines:

Blog /Australia & OceaniaPosted Nov 9, 2020 by Martin Armstrong
COMMENT: This is happening in the Philippines right NOW. Unfortunately coming to the USA. WATCH THE VIDEO
We can not travel from town to town without FIRST applying for a travel pass, then you must submit to a PCR test for every person who is traveling. Average cost is $60++ Each test. So if you have a family of 4 traveling it will cost you over $240 just to get approved BEFORE you depart your hometown. Then you have to submit a itinerary online to the town you wish to visit and to make sure you stick to the itinerary, you have to hire a TOUR GUIDE (contact tracer) then you can ONLY stay in approved HOTELS. These requirements are to travel to the next TOWN. Oh, and then you have to go through a military CHECKPOINT that verifies your travel pass, PCR Test results and then THEY escort you to the local city convention center where you go through a triage AGAIN. After you do all of these things, you have NO MONEY since it was spent just trying to get here. NOW you have to turn around and GO home because you are broke. OF COURSE, this is why the entire community has been destroyed in the Philippines. The entire country put into lockdown status because about 8 thousand people have died over the last 10+ months.
Last year and previous years more than 100 THOUSAND people died from infectious respiratory illnesses. This is a very common statistic. Year after Year.
There were no lockdowns,

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/australia-oceania/philippines-medical-ids-to-travels-within-the-country/

Video at the link.

236721 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 5, #534 of 2009 🔗

I think the Phillipines and Argentina are competing for the worst possible response to COVID-19. Both doing a stellar job of destroying an already poor economy.

236701 Will, replying to Will, 2, #535 of 2009 🔗

There was a really good graph on the BBC (I know stopped clocks) comparing the UK with the rest of Europe. Needless to say it has disappeared, did anyone manage to save it?

236931 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Will, #536 of 2009 🔗

Not sure of the graph you mean but if you search euromomo it gives the mortality rates for each country in europe

236703 Smelly Melly, 14, #537 of 2009 🔗

I understand there is a petition to get the pig (I no longer have any respect for the police) who threw the piper to the ground at a memorial service to be sacked. Maybe somebody knows where it is.

236704 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 9, #538 of 2009 🔗

The Times today GCHQ in cyberwar on antivax propaganda Spies tackle disinformation linked to Russia

Is this really about tackling Russia or closing down any questioning of the UK establishment and their upcoming mass (unnecessary according to many medical professionals) vaccination program?

Why can’t big pharma simply make safe, reliable products that actually benefit the world rather than lobby the state to propagandise and criminalise anyone who dares to question any of their products. What have they got to hide if they won’t just have a honest debate.

236720 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Darryl, 3, #539 of 2009 🔗

psyops in operation. Blame to Russions for anyone posting adverse comments on vaccines. I have been accused of being a Russian bot more than once on the ToL site.

237173 ▶▶▶ Mark Tinker, replying to peyrole, #540 of 2009 🔗

Me too. Except when I am accused of being a Chinese bot that is.

236705 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #541 of 2009 🔗

On the proposed testing of children in a Liverpool school – it is absolutely incredible that any school would not recognize that prior positive consent would be needed.

FFS! The misuse of the precautionary principle has, for years, required prior consent for the normal photographing of children at school events as society has detected a budding paedophile around every corner.

That the management of the school shouldn’t have grasped the proper issue of consent in this case is a marker of how the level skills of such personnel have fallen with the privatisation of the system from the Blair years onwards – in line with the growth of ‘academy’ chains as commercial enterprises.

236713 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #542 of 2009 🔗

It’s incredible but my take on it would be simpler – I have no training in this area but common sense dictates that consent is required before a medical intervention.

236863 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #543 of 2009 🔗

I agree with you just in terms of the general principle, enshrined in the Nuremburg protocols.

But the point I am making is that this principle should be easy peasy stuff for a competent head of an educational institution.

The posting from ‘alw’ also tells a related tale. A not-often recognised factor is the removal of educational expertise and professionals from Local Authorities, and subsuming the function under generalised ‘Children’s Services’. The result is seen in the amateurism of the quoted response.

It’s all been a slow car-crash, originating in the Blair years and continuing onwards. I once had a front seat in observing it in a number of roles.

236810 ▶▶ alw, replying to RickH, 1, #544 of 2009 🔗

And this from the Director of Children’s Services in Liverpool. For someone in such an important position one would expect him to be more conversant with the law that underpins the functioning of his department. A referral to the Local Government Ombudsman and/or a lawyer would be appropriate.

236909 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RickH, #545 of 2009 🔗

Thought they could get away with it. Good thing we have Toby and the Free Speech Union

236711 Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 6, #546 of 2009 🔗

Had a belated & pathetic reply from my Labour MP re: last week’s vote. At the risk of wasting space I will not paste the whole thing, but here are some excerpts:

“Everybody is concerned about the rise in infections, hospital admissions and – tragically – the number of deaths…”
Pretty sure this is at best, an exaggeration. At worst, an outright lie. I wasn’t aware there had been an exceptional rise in hospital admissions, nor deaths (certainly not respiratory deaths, per. Yeadon)

“While these new restrictions are not in any way desirable or perfect, I do not believe there is any excuse for inaction or for allowing the virus to continue to spread. It is with a heavy heart, and in the national interest, that I support them…”
Hmmmmm.

“strategic mass testing would give a clear, coherent roadmap for the next phase of containing the virus…”
Oh FFS.

I noticed this excerpt from Lord Sumption’s recent musings: “It is customary for those who doubt the legality or constitutional propriety of the government’s acts to start with a hand-wringing declaration that they do so with a heavy heart…” Interesting choice of words!
For what good it will do I am in the process of composing a reply. Gonna take a bit of time to perfect it, but suffice to say it will not be remotely complimentary…..

236826 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #547 of 2009 🔗

I got this from my MP :

“”I’m alarmed at the rising numbers of deaths and hospitalisations we’ve seen from coronavirus and extremely concerned about its effect on the health service. ICU capacity is already stretched and with a shortage of nurses, there’s a danger our NHS will be overwhelmed. We are reaching a critical point.”

AS you say – FFS!!

I started a detailed reply, but have since re-thought about how to force a particular justification for the above, based on real data. I reckon length and detail simply play into the hands of received non-think.

236722 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #548 of 2009 🔗

If you are trying to figure out the government’s next step, try this:

I you were waging psychological warfare against the UK population, what would you do next?

236743 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 5, #549 of 2009 🔗

From this starting point (and if I were any of the key players, not a human being capable of empathy and understanding what makes people tick)I would keep turning the screw with a view to extinguishing all hope and resistance. I would continue to lie in the face of the truth to continue to shut down conversation and destroy any possibility of discussion. I would double down on the granny-killer narrative and whip up further anger against dissenters.

236753 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 5, #550 of 2009 🔗

If you believe the UK media, ministers were furious that people dared to leave their homes for anything other than essential food at the weekend. I expect endless petty harassment of law abiding citizens by the police all week to demoralise them further plus the UK tabloid media will be used to publicly sham citizens in the usual manor with all the standard propaganda insults and threats about being on a ventilator in the comments section.

236952 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Darryl, 3, #551 of 2009 🔗

In a way the Government have been hoisted on its own petard on this, they ramped up testing so that I guess many people out and about at the weekend will have had a test, either -ve or +ve and asymptomatic, either way how can you expect people who have been tested like this to then be afraid of this ‘deadly’ virus. I think the fear factor that was there in March/April is not there anymore and ironically testing is one reason people no longer fear this virus.
You can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

236738 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Leemc23, 7, #553 of 2009 🔗

As I commented yesterday:

“We are now witnessing the disintegration of society in real time”

God knows where we’ll be a year from now.

236730 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #554 of 2009 🔗

Just studying the parallels with the French Revolution. We find ourselves in the grip of the Great Fear of summer 1789 but unfortunately the peasantry is in no mood to burn the great houses. In Johnson, we do, however, have a leader of comparable unsuitability. Early in the Revolution, the future Louis XVIII said of his brother, Louis XVI, ‘Pour vous faire une idée de son caractère, imaginez des boules d’ivoire huilées que vous vous efforceriez vainement de faire tenir ensemble.’
‘To form an idea of his character, imagine oiled ivory billiard balls that you are trying in vain to keep together’

236742 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #555 of 2009 🔗

A very good comparison.

I think we now have the French Revolutionary situation on a global scale.

France in 1789 was bankrupt with massive debt.

Same today.

236736 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 3, #556 of 2009 🔗

The Times is very much behind the Great Reset / Green New Deal. The elite social engineers are busy at work again today trying to get us to spend more time locked up at home on the computer where we can be spoon fed their information. I have never liked the 9-5 office working day and the unnecessary rush hour commutes but I suspect something more sinister is taking place, many of these jobs will be completely replaced by AI, not done at home.

CORONAVIRUS
More than 90% want to work at home Only 7 per cent of British workers want to return to the office full-time after Covid-19 restrictions are lifted, a survey has indicated. Half of those surveyed said that they would choose to work from home either every day (18 per cent) or most days (32 per cent). The remainder would choose to work from home some..

236752 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Darryl, #557 of 2009 🔗

‘polls’ and ‘survey’s’

236758 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #558 of 2009 🔗

I have yet to ever been asked to take part in one or known any close family member who has. I strongly suspect they are used by social engineers to steer public opinion and reshape society via the media.

236760 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 6, #559 of 2009 🔗

We surveyed our staff and the shift was more like from 10-15% of time being WFH to something like 60-70%. Most wanted a mixture – some with most of the time at home, some with most of the time in the office, and a few at either extreme. The survey was based on things being fully back to normal…

Of course in pratice people might change their minds after a while, one way or the other. Until offices open again, there’s no real way of knowing.

I like ot think our survey results are honest and accurate – the questions were not leading and staff felt under no pressure to provide answers one way or another.

90% seems quite high. I think a lot depends on the demographic of the workers, and where they live.

236763 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, 6, #560 of 2009 🔗

Anyone noticed that Biden has launched his new site?

https://buildbackbetter.com/

The URL isn’t a coincidence.

236852 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to leggy, 2, #561 of 2009 🔗

He must have bought that a long time ago or paid top dollar for it (or been gifted it by WEF).

237185 ▶▶▶▶ Mark Tinker, replying to Sarigan, #562 of 2009 🔗

The expression originally came from the UN. They dusted it down in March when claiming that Covid meant we needed agenda 2030. Then the WEF picked it up in their great reset propaganda, the Boris, then Biden.

236775 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Darryl, 8, #563 of 2009 🔗

I already work at home and have done for years. Must say I like it in a lot of ways but I also miss interaction – I’ve never met most of the people I work for – and I fantasise about retraining as a gardener and working with my hands in the soil rather than on a keyboard. Lady Chatterley would be my employer of choice.

236789 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #564 of 2009 🔗

Like the sound of that, particularly the new employer!

236747 davews, replying to davews, 8, #565 of 2009 🔗

A month ago it was announced that our local urgent care centre (urgent care part closed since March) would be used for one of Boris’s lighthouse covid test labs. Yesterday I noticed a whole lot of portacabins had appeared in the car park. So it seems they are doing PCR tests in leaking portacabins in carparks rather than proper quality assessed clean rooms. No wonder the results are rubbish.

236764 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to davews, 1, #566 of 2009 🔗

Also noticed that my local library which is a very old building has been converted into a testing centre which is no better than your observations above

236812 ▶▶ RickH, replying to davews, 1, #567 of 2009 🔗

Yes – the whole business is farcical : millions pissed up against the wall in pursuit of statistical nonsense.

236749 Freecumbria, 6, #568 of 2009 🔗

A friend who works at a hospital in the so called ‘hard hit’ area of the North West mentioned to me 10 days ago about her experience working in a hospital in the North West.

She said hospitals are busy but a lot of staff are off with stress or have left. Apparently some nurses are refusing to help out on covid wards after helping out on those wards during the first wave. Then when they realise it is happening, they go off sick call the stress card which puts more pressure on everyone else. She says (and rightly in my view) that “we should all look after our mental health”. But she’s starting to hate that phrase now because too many people are calling it.

Clearly there are a lot of dedicated staff working for the NHS, and I’m fairly reluctant to make this post, especially as people like her are clearly dedicated. But I think it does need documenting that there are some NHS staff that are making it deal more difficult for the NHS to deal with with what is not abnormal seasonal viral activity.

She didn’t mention anything about staff isolating due to contact with covid+ tests etc , so can’t comment on that.

236750 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #569 of 2009 🔗

Sullivan reaching for mystical answers that fit his emotional preference (personal hatred of Trump), when the simple explanation is right in front of him, I think.

Trump lost because the big money and power elites put in the effort to ensure he lost. Whether there was organised actual vote fraud on a larger scale than usual might be uncertain, but the simple facts are that the anti-Trumpers (both Democrat and Republican) spent far more money and deployed far more broadcast and social media power via big media and big tech than his supporters did.

Advertising/propaganda does actually work on a significant proportion of the population (as we have had amply demonstrated with the coronapanic). It might not always produce the desired result, if it’s going against a reasonably strong tide, but in this case it clearly did.

And of course there’s no doubt that Trump provided his enemies with plenty of ammunition. He is a deeply flawed human being (as is Biden), but some of his strengths are flip-sides of those flaws. Certainly nobody with sound traditionalist and conservative views could survive and get to the top in the face of the structural biases now in place against them without being seriously thick skinned, to the point of insensitivity, and also being massively independently wealthy. Look at the contemptible character of those running the “Conservative” Party in the UK, whom Sullivan comically describes as “nationalist” and “culturally conservative” – people who have shown no interest in closing the mass immigration floodgates intentionally opened by Blair and kept open since through three “Conservative” PMs, and who seemingly have no problem with police chiefs and other authority figures “taking the knee” to leftist thugs, and no problem with crushing time honoured liberties and traditions to implement a radical authoritarian and collectivist solution to a non-problem, or with spending freely and relying on a magic money forest to do it. If those people are “culturally conservative”, then Sullivan’s a banana.

That is the world we now live in, after the long triumph of the left in the C20th.

236772 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Mark, 3, #570 of 2009 🔗

The Democrats spent more because the Trump campaign pissed away so much money early on when Brad Parscale was campaign manager. I totally agree that the opposition to Trump was vicious and personal, but Trump surrounded himself with lots of grifters and second raters, that’s on him.He discerned lots of important issues that nobody else was talking about, so long live Trumpism.

236784 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Recusant, 5, #571 of 2009 🔗

What’s important here is not why but the fact of the immensely bigger spend. Though in reality the reason the anti-Trump side spent so much more is the same as the reason big media and big tech were so blatantly and shamelessly biased – the rich and the powerful by and large prefer the non-Trump agenda.

236807 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -3, #572 of 2009 🔗

You’re not wrong on the role of big money. That’s why Trump got where he did in the first place.

But, despite the raddled nature of the Democratic Party, he’s no hero – just a bumbling, narcissistic and questionably literate idiot. The US is obviously better off without him.

How much better off remains to be seen. I have some personal litmus tests – such as whether Biden can undo the damage done by Trump’s dog-like servility to the Israeli state and the damage done to Palestinians by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. Then there’s the minefield that is the middle east in general, and the one-eyed antagonism towards Iran.

I have no great hopes – especially in light of the lack of grip on the Covid narrative. But Trump just fell on the right side of that issue, after stumbling around in his usual incoherent manner.

236833 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #573 of 2009 🔗

You’re not wrong on the role of big money. That’s why Trump got where he did in the first place .”

Not clear what you mean by that – if you mean big money put Trump in office, then you are just wrong. Clinton outspent Trump by 2-1. In that case, the power spend was not enough to overcome the support for Trump, aided by the details of the electoral college. This time, in large part thanks to even more shameless and open big tech and big media bias, the big money seems likely to have gotten what it wants.

You appear to have emotional difficulties in analysis where Trump is concerned.

As for the ME, the US’s obsessive delusion about that region is far wider than Trump. His personal approach was just a rather different mix from the mainstream’s, but probably about the same overall. It was under Democrat rule that Libya’s and Syria’s governments were destroyed.

236755 Jo, 7, #574 of 2009 🔗

Just a quickie on earlier topic re NHS staff.
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2213-2600%2820%2930453-7
These 3 doctors were elucidating the problem of false positives on health care staff some time ago. I had sent this to my totally waste of time letter to Keir Starmer a few weeks ago.
Like Eddie, I am not feeling well today. I am going to take some time off as I can no longer read the scientific articles etc, which I reckon I have spent some 300+ hours reading since the beginning of March.
And I am disappointed that some attempts I have made to mobilise stuff seems to have yielded no result (nothing to do with this site).
So let’s hope next time I’m back there will be better news, but I have little hope of that, I’m afraid. Actually I am REALLY afraid.

236759 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #575 of 2009 🔗

So, if Bunter was ‘advised’ that the moon is made of green cheese, he would immediately commission a UK moon landing programme would he? Presumably paid for by closing the NHS. Sorry, ‘our’ NHS.

236769 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sam Vimes, 12, #576 of 2009 🔗

He leaked the dodgy dossier himself and is now trying the dubious and shallow ‘poor me’ approach to get him off the hook. He is a lazy, incompetent, mendacious oaf and needs to be put out of his misery in the interests of the country.

236792 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #577 of 2009 🔗

That was my suspicion too. A leak via Cummings.

236817 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #578 of 2009 🔗

The Friday night teaser leak to test the waters is an institution now.

236813 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #579 of 2009 🔗

‘Absolutely splendid with a decent drop of claret, green cheese. When we plant the Union Flag in that oozing surface and lay claim to the entire glorious sphere in all its pungent glory, we’ll have more cheese at our command than the French and Barnier will have no choice but to surrender. I’m ordering our people to set up a monopoly company to restrict the trade in green cheese and we’re going to call it De Smears. With the revenue from this brilliant scheme we can build a space railway all the way from Bedford, which is in the north, to the Sea of Tranquillity and there’ll be no need for foreign holidays any more, everyone can take HS3 up into the skies and have holidays of cheese in the cheese paradise. You can’t get more socially distanced, friends, than on a cheese holiday on a Planetoid with no atmosphere, it’s foolproof and covidproof. We’re renaming the moon Nova Etonia forthwith and it’s going to be pink on all future maps. God Save the Casein. I’m fine! Totally fine! Hip Hip Hurray! Nil illegitimum carborundum!’

237021 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #580 of 2009 🔗

More cheese, Grommit?

236762 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 29, #581 of 2009 🔗

Funny isn’t it, the demographic we are allegedly trying to save is the same demographic that has made up my entire customer base this morning.

236777 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 14, #582 of 2009 🔗

CovidDenyingAntiVaxxingGrannyKillingLipSmackingThirstQuenchingSceptic!!

236781 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #583 of 2009 🔗

LOL. Mind if I use that? Might get it put on a t shirt …

237017 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 1, #584 of 2009 🔗

We’ll need to agree a royalty percentage; hang on while I phone Diane Abbot…

237124 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 1, #585 of 2009 🔗

That would send your local busybody wild!

236767 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 6, #586 of 2009 🔗

The hypocrisy in The Times today is staggering given what is going on in western countries. How are we much better than Hong Kong at the moment? Just look at the treatment of Piers Corbyn.
China has crushed rights in Hong Kong, laments watchdog
Human rights have deteriorated rapidly in Hong Kong since China clamped down on free speech in the territory, according to a US commission. The national security law introduced by Beijing in June has led to arrests, sackings and censorship, the congressional-executive commission on China, an agency that monitors human rights, said in a report. It cited the arrests of…

236790 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Darryl, 8, #587 of 2009 🔗

Well, China has used covid as a cover to destroy Hong Kong and the Uighurs. All with the gracious collusion of western governments and corporations (just remember Daimler Benz’ pathetic apology for hurting the feelings of the Chinese people when it quoted the Dalai Lama on its website – oh, by the way, how’s that Free Tibet campaign going?) and of the Muslim world, including Erdogan who deports Uighurs back to China on the quiet. A really good and meaningful reset of the world economy would be to shut China out of it, whatever the cost, because at the moment the Leninist Xi is a hijacker at the controls of the global plane and he needs to be opposed. At the risk of being voted down I find Xi’s forces a good deal scarier than Hancock’s little tank.

236823 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #588 of 2009 🔗

The Chinese people need to remove their ‘leaders’ and put them on trial for their crimes against humanity just like we do here. That is the reset we need.

236840 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Saved To Death, #589 of 2009 🔗

They do. Unfortunately they have thousands of years of deference in their DNA. But Chiang Kai Shek and Taiwan show it can be done. A good start would be for all western governments to recognise Taiwan as the Republic of China and break diplomatic relations with Beijing

237188 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #590 of 2009 🔗

Unfortunately they have thousands of years of deference in their DNA.

Que ? Liang Shan Po !

237412 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #591 of 2009 🔗

I can’t be the only one who remembers ‘The Water Margin’ ?

236858 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #592 of 2009 🔗

Western corporation have unfortunately enabled China to become a superpower and at the same time they have helped to hollow out and destroy Western society with the transfer of millions of jobs abroad.

Why did Western governments allow this to happen? and why is the Chinese model of surveillance and control being imported into the West. We are clearly going to get the facial recognition, health passports and social credits systems which have been incubated and tested in China. The West instead of turning away from China seems to have decided that it the best model to follow.

The Great Reset the World Economic Forum promotes is the Chinese CCP control system in disguise.

236876 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Darryl, 1, #593 of 2009 🔗

I spent some years translating documents connected with the Nord Stream project and the relocation of western manufacturing to China and I can unequivocally say that all scrutiny of these processes was fake, mere performance, the outcomes were decided in advance.

236897 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #594 of 2009 🔗

Furthermore – to reply to myself, which I realise is bad form – the environmental successes of which the west boasts are largely due to the relocation of manufacturing. The Yangzi and the Pearl and Yellow Rivers are spewing into the Pacific everything that we are no longer spewing into the atmosphere and then some. Smug, self-congratulatory Europe has turned itself into China’s fantasy historical
garden (and shopping centre). It’s repulsive.

236975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #595 of 2009 🔗

Absolutely, pollution has just been transferred abroad to countries with far lower standards.

237000 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Darryl, -2, #596 of 2009 🔗

I have to say I have never bought into this anti-China narrative. Recently Hong Kong asked China for financial assistance due to a downturn in their economy. Also, right now, they are far freer than we are.

236778 NickR, replying to NickR, 16, #597 of 2009 🔗

Laptops for disadvantaged kids. I know this isn’t directly related to lockdown scepticism but it may be relevant to many of you. In my home town we’ve started an initiative to collect old laptops (anything post Windows Vist), clear out the existing Windows operating system, load Linux Mint (which is an Open Source FOC operating system which is far less processor/memory hungry than Windows so PCs run much faster) and a browser. We then give the PCs to disadvantaged kids.
The Government had promised PCs to all kids in receipt of free school means but now in many areas they’re only getting 20% of their needs. In the UK about 4 million laptops are cast aside each year. Loads of these, by putting on light touch software can be repurposed, even a knackered battery isn’t a problem because they’re primarily used at home & can be left plugged in.
I would encourage you to get your PTA to set up a similar scheme. Find some volunteers with some IT competence, the Linux site has how to guides & downloads. Put an appeal out for old laptops (we had 6 under a bed, 4 of which we’ve repurposed!).
Loads of kids are having to work from home & they don’t have PCs, this is one way you can help kids and fight back a bit against the Lockdown.

236785 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to NickR, 1, #598 of 2009 🔗

Sounds great, Nick.

236837 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to NickR, 1, #599 of 2009 🔗

Great idea many old laptops work perfectly well with Linux and stop people getting tied into the Microsoft web.

236860 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NickR, #600 of 2009 🔗

Well,,

Does this fight back against lockdown or does it accede to the digital logic of lockdown?

236881 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to calchas, 1, #601 of 2009 🔗

Yes, I must have that discussion with the 3 year 7 kids we gave PCs to this morning who haven’t been able to do their homework for the past fortnight & have the mick taken out of them at school because they don’t have a PC.
I’ll tell you what, when you’ve taken the laptops, ipads, smart phones off your kids I’ll go & get the PCs back we’ve just given to these 3.

236903 ▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to calchas, #603 of 2009 🔗

Excellent, send me your old PCs, we’ve got a shed load of kids who need/want them.

236886 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NickR, #604 of 2009 🔗
236779 RickH, replying to RickH, #605 of 2009 🔗

Trump Is Gone. Trumpism Just Arrived ” – Brilliant analysis of the US election results by Andrew Sullivan”

For those still living in a worshipful Trumpian delusion, this, indeed is a well-written article, taking a broad view (right of centre) of the US election result. It raises some arguments, such as still being rooted in simplistic right/left description, but a lot of its basic analysis is penetrating.

For those obsessed with ‘wokeness’ as a signature of the ‘left’, he paints a much more complex picture, which essentially (and rightly) sees it as an impulse that has gained far more traction than it deserves (partly as a result of antagonistic obsession that rants rather than analyses), and which does not command strong support from the wider centre and left. As he points out :

“The threat of wokeness ….alienated educated white voters

236797 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 6, #606 of 2009 🔗

Sullivan’s piece, that you imply agreement with, puts forward the basically mystical notion that American voters collectively and by some magical process intentionally voted out Trump while supporting Trumpism.

I disagree. I suppose Sullivan’s magical thinking could be true somehow, but it’s surely more likely that the personal hatred of Trump that drips from the piece like water from a soaked sponge has driven Sullivan to ignore reality for a concocted, preferred fantasy.

236839 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Mark, 5, #607 of 2009 🔗

He’s not been voted out yet.

236873 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Eddy, #608 of 2009 🔗

A fair point, but rather a technicality, I feel, since I have no doubt the authorities in the key areas will ensure that the results come out right for the Trump-haters.

Then again, I do tend to the pessimistic side generally.

237138 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, #609 of 2009 🔗

Gore/Bush ?

237169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, #610 of 2009 🔗

Presidential election or video choice?

236783 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #611 of 2009 🔗

11.30 BBC R2 Jeremy Vine saying there will be an announcement about a vaccine in about an hour.
I wait with bated breath.

236791 ▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 5, #612 of 2009 🔗

Oh shit!

236808 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CGL, 1, #613 of 2009 🔗

He’s had government announcements timed to fit his show before. His producers get to select which karens voice their outrage/support.

236794 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 4, #614 of 2009 🔗

Sarah Jarvis is on, too. Time to do something else, methinks.

236815 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #615 of 2009 🔗

Karen Jarvis

236882 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #616 of 2009 🔗

Sarah Jarvis

Condescending. Doesn’t like to be challenged. Treats old people badly especially if they disagreed with her

236892 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 1, #617 of 2009 🔗

No – really?

236907 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #618 of 2009 🔗

I have not seen that woman for months since I switched off the tv, she is obnoxious and loathsome. I would not have her as my gp, there again to have any gp at the moment would be a miracle.

237128 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #619 of 2009 🔗

She’s a ‘scientist’ remember:-) that’s how they announced her input on that terrible interview

236822 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to karenovirus, 3, #620 of 2009 🔗

Probably related to The Times front page today. The propaganda campaign has clearly started.

236849 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 2, #621 of 2009 🔗

Russia is already rolling out a vaccine, Sputnik V.

236934 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #622 of 2009 🔗

Yes, their top Doctor Ivor Chestikov has said he heartily recommends it. 🙂

236799 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 13, #623 of 2009 🔗

As Peter Hitchens has just highlighted on talkRADIO, we must continue to keep the pressure on our MP’s who actively voted for the latest lockdown.

Dear MP,

Please could you explain why you are happy to destroy other peoples jobs and lives (through a lockdown YOU voted for) but continue to draw a full wage from the public purse?

You should not expect to keep your post after the next election when myself and many others will have the opportunity to make you redundant.

Yours sincerely,

236820 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #624 of 2009 🔗

And the reply will be because Covid… exponential…NHS overwhelmed….let it rip….following the science…with a heavy heart…. R number

I think we should keep writing but that asking very specific questions, backed up by data is the way to go.

236932 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #625 of 2009 🔗

I agree, though having been initially placated a few months ago by my Labour MP’s promise to ‘hold them carefully to account every month….’ I am beginning to suspect that they do not know, & maybe even really don’t care, about the numerous problems with the data, PCR testing, etc. Certainly my MP has not once answered any specific question the last couple of months, & I know for sure she has received at least a handful of constituent-specific emails, just from 1-2 of our village residents I’ve come across, so I’m debating the best way to compose a reply to her justification for backing the latest measures…..

Perhaps a “short sharp shock” is in order. something to the effect: ‘The next time constituent [x] dies or suffers lifelong debilitating issues as a direct result of your lockdown vote, I hope you’ll join our efforts to put [Party name who voted in favour of lockdown] on the death certificate?!’

236940 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #626 of 2009 🔗

Yes, it’s hard to know what approach to take, SH. The first time I wrote to my MP I got a detailed and encouraging sceptical response, but no reply to my last just before the lockdown 2 vote. Since we tend not to know them as people, we don’t know what is likely to hit home with them individually. I reckon the key thing is to keep trying!

236995 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #627 of 2009 🔗

Ignore the response. I have, deleted straight away. Just keep hammering home that more people now are not happy and they are going on universal credit at the first opportunity.

236880 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #628 of 2009 🔗

Great letter.

Done

236801 Londo Mollari, 6, #629 of 2009 🔗

That Piers Corbyn footage is pretty disturbing stuff. Metropolitan Stasi doesn’t quite do it justice.

236824 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #631 of 2009 🔗

Not sure if it is related, but the FTSE has just gone harry rompo.

236831 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #632 of 2009 🔗

Announcement on Pfizer vaccine – it’s 90% effective.

236848 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #633 of 2009 🔗

Clearly a lie. How this can possibly be known after such a short trial period?

When it becomes clear that voluntary uptake is not as high as they expected, the government are going to try and make this mandatory for the whole population. From this point forward, all our efforts need to be concentrated on legal challenges to this.

236853 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Richard O, 2, #634 of 2009 🔗

Agree completely.

236945 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Richard O, #635 of 2009 🔗

Well if effective means nothing more than it correlate with reduced symptoms in an otherwise healthy individual with a positive test then they probably can get away with claiming this. I think that was the aim, was it? Surely they can’t possibly claim causation when so many people are asymptomatic anyway.

236889 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #636 of 2009 🔗

What does that mean please? not heard it before

237008 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to CGL, #637 of 2009 🔗

Harry rompo – market going up a lot.
Doing toilet – market going down a lot.

Sorry, old (1980s) City speak!

236825 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 29, #638 of 2009 🔗

I have a visceral hatred of masks that my husband just can’t understand, I know coming on here that people understand me. I can’t stand to see people wearing them so I now will avoid shops at all costs and scowl at people who wear them outside.

I was out walking yesterday in a large nearby park. A couple coming me had nappies under their chin, they spotted me and quickly pulled them up and stood metres away waiting for me to pass. What the hell is wrong with people?, I looked and shook my head and rolled my eyes at them, I’m quite sure they were too thick to know why.

I can’t stand to think of a world where this is for ever and masks will be part of everyday life, please give me some hope that the madness will end and my sanity will be restored!.

236865 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mrs issedoff, 8, #639 of 2009 🔗

Visceral is the word I always use – no-one who doesn’t feel the same will ever understand unfortunately. We’re just being dramatic! It was what caused me to have a public breakdown in the street a couple of weeks ago. I just don’t want to be in this world where they are everywhere. I have 2 daughters, so I am forced and trapped into staying here. Otherwise I would be gone by now.

236895 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to CGL, 5, #640 of 2009 🔗

I understand your breakdown, I had a very public one in a supermarket. My sister told me I was making myself believe that masks were a big issue!, I have avoided contact with her for a couple of months now. I also feel strongly about the meaning behind them and potential health issues but it is deeper than that. We are not alone, of that I am certain.

238223 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #641 of 2009 🔗

I feel the same. They make me feel sick with fear.

237174 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mrs issedoff, 5, #642 of 2009 🔗

I have the same visceral loathing.
How the zombies can go around faceless, and de-deface their children, and WANT to live in a world without faces, I can’t imagine. But I have this suspicion that there is actually nothing there under the zombie mask. No face, no life, no person.
Keep on refusing the nappy-gag.

238032 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mrs issedoff, #643 of 2009 🔗

I scowl and shake my head at every muppet in a mask outside.

236827 steph, replying to steph, #644 of 2009 🔗

First thing I’d like to know today is the results so far from the rapid testing in Liverpool. Have they been published?

236850 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to steph, 1, #645 of 2009 🔗

Lol.

236828 steph, 4, #646 of 2009 🔗

Second thing I’d like to know today is how Simon Dolan’s judicial review progressing.

236834 IMoz, 2, #647 of 2009 🔗

How do you know that the “Mink SARS-CoV-2” strain is utter crap: there has never been a virus that spilled over three times without a loss of function/virulence! Even Reston Virus (a kind of Ebola) was no more than a mild ‘sniffles’ when that spilled over from chimps to humans!

236835 steph, 4, #648 of 2009 🔗

One thing I definitely don’t want to know today is that they are starting to issue the vaccine.

236844 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to p02099003, 1, #650 of 2009 🔗

You should read how they measure “effectiveness” in that study, it’s hilarious!

236867 ▶▶▶ Henry, replying to IMoz, 2, #651 of 2009 🔗

Care to elaborate?

236955 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Henry, #652 of 2009 🔗

read the article! it helps when judging for yourself

236972 ▶▶▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Iansn, #653 of 2009 🔗

I have… I’m just wondering where the information is on Pfizer’s measure of effectiveness is? Different source/data sheets etc?

237198 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to IMoz, #655 of 2009 🔗

Estimated study completion date OCTOBER 2022.

237308 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to p02099003, #656 of 2009 🔗

That’s one of the problems, which is why they seek to fast-track it, effectively, to get an “authorisation to use” approval before the completion of the study. But the problem is how they measure effectiveness—where does it actually say they seek to reduce infection/reinfection?

236878 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to p02099003, 5, #657 of 2009 🔗

It uses a completely experimental approach – that involves injecting part of the virus’s genetic code – in order to train the immune system.”

Experimental. Groovy. Let’s inject it into every man, woman, and child in the UK. What could possibly go wrong?

If the goal is to train my immune system, just give me access to the live virus from a legit COVID case. I’d happily smear the real thing on my tongue in preference to being injected with this experimental shit.

236905 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #658 of 2009 🔗

Why won’t people realise that this how our immune system works when faced with the virus. This vaccine couldn’t be used with vulnerable people as their immune system is likely to respond as it does for the real McCoy.

236887 ▶▶ mjr, replying to p02099003, #659 of 2009 🔗

even had Philip Schofield checking his phone and reporting to the This Morning audience .. and the blonde with him shrieking with joy. Expect full MSM overload on this

236917 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, #660 of 2009 🔗

Add him to the list!

236954 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to p02099003, #661 of 2009 🔗

Just read that, they haven’t tested it exhaustively as they do not know its effectiveness for different age groups. “The data presented is not the final analysis. It is based on the first 94 volunteers to test positive for Covid – the precise effectiveness of the vaccine may change when the full results are analysed.” wow 94 that is really a lot

237171 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to p02099003, 2, #662 of 2009 🔗

Am I being optimistic in hoping there are enough of the herd to jump at the chance of the jab, therefore those of us with half a brain won’t need to have it?. OK, I have to try and look on the bright side occasionally.

237811 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #663 of 2009 🔗

I can only speak for (or rather about…) Belgium so it’s probably of little comfort to you, but I had no problem declining the flu vaccine lately (which I’ve never taken as its effectiveness has been notably sub-par in past years and I have never caught the flu, despite having had many respiratory infections of bacterial origin in my lifetime). Notwithstanding loads of propaganda to have the flu shot ‘to protect the vulnerable’, the final comment of my GP after I declined the offer for the n-th time was that there was not enough to go around this Winter anyway, as there were too many candidates. In short, with a bit of luck – limited stocks willing – you might get the opportunity to pass of your refusal as a self-sacrificing act to prioritize the most vulnerable (if they haven’t all died of neglect by then).

236846 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #664 of 2009 🔗

Fauci admitting at 4:48 that a

cycle threshold of 35 or more that the chances of replication competent are miniscule.

Somebody comes in and they repeat their PCR and it’s like 37 you almost can never culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle so I think if somebody does come in with 37, 38 even 36 you got to say you know it’s just, it’s just dead nucleotides period.

https://asm.org/Podcasts/TWiV/Episodes/COVID-19-with-Dr-Anthony-Fauci-TWiV-641

236856 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to stefarm, 4, #665 of 2009 🔗

Don’t worry, they’ll go back to sub-35 cycles once the vaccine starts being rolled out

236851 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #666 of 2009 🔗

Just imagine the coincidence of an announcement of a “vaccine” a few days after the old global swamp monster Biden got his “votes” in to win the Presidency.

236854 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to nickbowes, 4, #667 of 2009 🔗

And just as the narrative starts to fall apart – funny that

236857 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to nickbowes, 4, #668 of 2009 🔗

I know, scary coincidence!

236862 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 6, #669 of 2009 🔗

The Biden victory means one thing and one thing only. The g lobal m andatory mass vaccination programme is about to be launched.

236922 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 4, #670 of 2009 🔗

Ain’t no Biden victory.

msm don’t call the shots. The US electoral and legal systems do.

237036 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JohnB, 3, #671 of 2009 🔗

Yes, there is still a way to go. The Electoral College still needs to certify their electors… 2016 lots of them in a few key states faced death threats, unless they switched their votes from Trump to Clinton. So widespread that even CNN through gritted teeth were forced to report on it. This was after forced recounts in 3 states Trump won he was nor particularly expected to, historically strong Dem areas, with Dem dominated local machine (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) that effort failed spectacularly, when the recounts had to be halted because they realised that Trump was gaining votes left, right & centre…!

236855 l835, replying to l835, 6, #672 of 2009 🔗

My prediction for two weeks time. Welsh firebreak didn’t work, let’s have another.

236872 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to l835, 6, #673 of 2009 🔗

I just heard someone on the radio saying it will be alright if we need another short ‘lockdown’ in January to get it really under control (or words to that effect). I think he was a business owner – obviously not one too badly affected by the madness.

236908 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Tenchy, 3, #674 of 2009 🔗

Or he delivers for Amazon…

236981 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to l835, #675 of 2009 🔗

Drakeford said that I believe. He said something like “that will do it until the end of the year”. So, more lockdowns I think is what he is saying.

236859 Will, replying to Will, 1, #676 of 2009 🔗

Needs to be kept below -80 c. Just imagine Ratty Hancock trying to figure that one out…

236899 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Will, 1, #677 of 2009 🔗

Liquid nitrogen, liquid ethane, liquid carbon monoxide all have boiling points below -80 degrees.
dry ice sublimates at -78 degrees

236868 AngloWelshDragon, 6, #678 of 2009 🔗

I would be interested to know if a rush of people taking annual leave in the NHS may also be a contributory factor to staff shortages. I have just returned from a visit to my own GP practice. Only 1 of 7 GPs was working today. All the nurses and HCAs who were not allowed to take annual leave over the summer are now cramming a year’s worth of holiday into the two months before the end of the year. To add to that, two nurses with kids at a local primary school have just completed 2 weeks of self isolation due to their children being a contact of an asymptomatic covid child. Do we have a perfect storm of false positives and annual leave? Anyone else heard anything similar?

236869 City-Ed, 3, #679 of 2009 🔗

is anybody doing an article on how the covid rate in Wales since 23 Oct is indistinguishable from that of England, despite them being in a Firebreaker? (the 7 day rolling average anyway)

236871 Julian, 6, #680 of 2009 🔗

Professor Tim Spector of KCL and the covid survey app, interview by Julia Hartley Brewer on TalkRadio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ4nSSHvwN8&t=524s&ab_channel=talkRADIO

He is still a bit bought into the “something must be done” narrative and believes in the tiered restrictions, but in a very quiet, moderate way in this interview rubbishes the national lockdown and the notion that admission rates and deaths were/are rising/will rise exponentially. He’s not a full on sceptic, but he’s talking a lot more sense than Whitty and Vallance

236874 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 4, #681 of 2009 🔗

ToL today running article about GCHQ being used to counter anti-vax propaganda from Russia. You just cannot believe some of the comments. I despair of the intelligence of a lot of fellow citizens.

236885 ▶▶ CGL, replying to peyrole, 2, #682 of 2009 🔗

I don’t know any Russians! Still not fucking having it.
(Tourettes has returned, apologies)

236898 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to CGL, 3, #683 of 2009 🔗

There’s a vaccine for tourettes.

236912 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tenchy, 2, #684 of 2009 🔗

Not having that bastard one either – oops

236936 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to CGL, 2, #685 of 2009 🔗

I fucking had it. It works a fucking treat.

237006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tenchy, 2, #686 of 2009 🔗

The next fucking post contains strong language from the start, you twat. And scenes of a sceptical nature.

237250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Sam Vimes, #687 of 2009 🔗

If I’d learned how to reproduce those little faces in text, I’d put the one with its eyes screwed up and tears of laughter pouring out

237046 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to peyrole, 1, #688 of 2009 🔗

Are HM govt worried nobody is listening to their own disinformation?

236877 kh1485, 4, #689 of 2009 🔗

Every time our clown PM mentions “science”, the Thomas Dolby song She Blinded me with Science comes into my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83JR2IoI8k

236883 stewart, replying to stewart, 52, #690 of 2009 🔗

Covid is mostly a mental disorder.

Symptoms are:

  • A heightened irrational fear of dying
  • A desire to retreat from society
  • Disregard for the destruction of wealth
  • Lack of empathy for the suffering of others
  • An urge to submit to state slavery

Some people catch it quite badly. In others the symptoms are weak but still quite noticeable.

Mental covid has infected most people now, except for a few that have natural immunity. There doesn’t seem to be a widely available cure for those infected. Some treatments are showing promising signs, (e.g. lockdownsceptics.org, talkRadio, information on YouTube) but are only available in small scale.

236970 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to stewart, 3, #691 of 2009 🔗

Don’t forget Offguardian as well.

237245 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to stewart, 3, #692 of 2009 🔗

Excellent work, Dr stewart.

236884 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 3, #693 of 2009 🔗
236891 ▶▶ stewart, replying to nickbowes, 4, #694 of 2009 🔗

Yep. For the drug companies, the oligarchs like Bill Gates, the Silicon Valley cult obsessed with the extension of life, this is it. The widespread experiment they have been pushing for – the RNA vaccine that could be the gateway to cancer treatments.

No doubt they genuinely think they are doing humanity a service by forcing everyone to try a new experimental vaccine that could lead to a breakthrough in medicine.

236894 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to stewart, 3, #695 of 2009 🔗

They want to sterilize our children.

236900 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to nickbowes, 5, #696 of 2009 🔗

I already know so many people who have desperately wanted children and couldn’t – how many more do they need? The human race is bringing about it’s own demise – clever lot aren’t we.

236911 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to CGL, 7, #697 of 2009 🔗

As you know CGL, my brother and I were both adopted and had a second chance at an incredible life. There are many wonderful children who just need love and family.

236928 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, #698 of 2009 🔗

Of course, yes there are. x
It always made me feel terribly guilty afterwards, when my friends who were so desperate looked on, and we had our 2 relatively easily, but weren’t as desperate on that side – BC (before children) – as they were.
I am full of admiration for anyone who goes down the adoption route – as one of those friends actually did with her 2.

236960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to CGL, #699 of 2009 🔗

I just wish people would consider it more as an option rather than default ‘scientific’ measures.

236923 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to CGL, 3, #700 of 2009 🔗

Actually, I think this reaction to the new coronavirus is very consistent with historic human behaviour. As a species we react to things we consider dangerous by trying to destroying them rather than finding a way to live with them.

We’ve consistently destroyed wildlife that poses a physical threat to us either to the extinction or the verge of extinction.

We’ve now become suddenly more acutely aware of the threat of the microbial world, and are reacting in a very “human” way – destroy it.

We don’t really think about the consequences of destroying the threat until much later, when often it’s a bit late anyway.

Same with this. With just a bit of thought we would realise that microbes are essential to our lives. But that’s too sophisticated a thought for the current moment. Right now we just have to destroy our threat and deal with the consequences after.

That is the human way.

236974 ▶▶ leggy, replying to nickbowes, #701 of 2009 🔗

The comments on that article are thoroughly depressing.

237191 ▶▶ Cane Corso, replying to nickbowes, #702 of 2009 🔗

Surprising the new magic cure was announced less than a week after the US elections. Perhaps this whole thing was just to Dump Trump. No more no less (except to Reset as well).

236888 Linda b, replying to Linda b, 6, #703 of 2009 🔗

No wonder there are so many (false) positives — Is this how Boris and Co are getting our numbers to look so high?

July 16, 2020, podcast, “This Week in Virology” : Tony Fauci makes a point of saying the PCR COVID test is useless and misleading when the test is run at “35 cycles or higher.” A positive result, indicating infection, cannot be accepted or believed

In the UK, it’s typically run at 45 cycles

236913 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Linda b, #704 of 2009 🔗

See my post below with link to the podcast

236933 ▶▶▶ Linda b, replying to stefarm, 2, #705 of 2009 🔗

Thanks Stefarm – will look now.
Why are the BBC and other MSM not JUMPING ON THIS?

237106 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Linda b, #706 of 2009 🔗

My pleasure, great minds. The MSM shills could bring the whole shitshow down in a second but that’s not their job. Their job is to instil fear and sell the vaccine.

Anybody in MSM who doesn’t speak out are all complicit and are on the list.

It should be sent to MP’s and possibly those who voted against the lockdown.

236890 Cecil B, 12, #707 of 2009 🔗

The Dictator has sucked the life and soul out of anyone who’s spent more than a day in his company

This includes his own family

He is now sucking the life and soul out of Britain

236896 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #708 of 2009 🔗

Re: “so called” vaccine.
The government have lost the argument over CV and Lockdowns but if they can con the sheep and collaborators into believing that the “snake oil” vaccine will protect them, the said sheep and collaborators will believe that good old Bojo and the experts and advisers have saved the country.

236901 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #709 of 2009 🔗

Life – back to normal then, but, but, only if you take our poison.

236902 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #710 of 2009 🔗

The madness could end by the simple expedient of the government labelling a placebo the vaccine, making it available anyone who wants it and declaring victory and asserting they are the heroes who saved the country.

236919 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #711 of 2009 🔗

Thank you Steve, you described and worded it far better than I did.

236920 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #712 of 2009 🔗

By then testing less.. and issuing less false positives.. voila.. what a success…

Only.. they want that digital ID.. and the Great Greta Reset where everything is powered by Sir Kier Obama’s mangina farts.

236904 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #713 of 2009 🔗

The vaccine – and whatever the fuck is in it – has been the sole end game of this shitshow since day one.

Take it and you will be enslaved in the worst totalitarian system in all of human history (or dead). Refuse to take it and you will be completely frozen out of society (or dead).

236915 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 11, #714 of 2009 🔗

When faced with two options, always chose the third.

236944 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard O, 8, #715 of 2009 🔗

Vaccine is the key to a whole new system of surveillance but hey,Boris is just a libertarian sort of guy and this is all done to incompetence.

236906 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #716 of 2009 🔗

R2 Jeremy Vine
‘Ppfizer announce they have a vaccine ready’
That was it.

236956 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to karenovirus, 1, #717 of 2009 🔗

Just the little hurdle of testing to cross? There hasn’t been enough time to do effective trials.

236988 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Pancho the Grey, 2, #718 of 2009 🔗

makes you sterile 5 years after taking

236918 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #720 of 2009 🔗

So. Hands up who bought shares in Pfizer in the last month.
Me neither. Once again my lack of inside information robs me of an easy fortune

236927 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #721 of 2009 🔗

The only anagram of Pfizer is “fez rip”. So Erdogan also failed to buy shares. That’s actually slightly consoling.

236921 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 17, #722 of 2009 🔗

90% protection for a virus with a 99.95% survival rate…pppfffttttt

236924 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to stefarm, 3, #723 of 2009 🔗

I have only one thing to say at this point and that is lolz

236925 ▶▶ stewart, replying to stefarm, 6, #724 of 2009 🔗

Yep, still not quite as good as our immune system.

236942 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to stefarm, #725 of 2009 🔗

So one person in every 2000 who has the vaccine doesn’t survive?

236948 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #726 of 2009 🔗

Sorry – misread your post. Silly me…

236946 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to stefarm, #727 of 2009 🔗

Wonder why covid was weaponised?

236967 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to stefarm, 2, #728 of 2009 🔗

As it’s not been tested properly, I think I’ll wait about 10 years to see if there are any long-term side effects…

Unless I’m forced / coerced into having it, in which case the next time anyone in government mentions “human rights”, they can fuck right off.

236991 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #729 of 2009 🔗

given they can only supply 1.5 billion doses by the end of 2021 it would be immoral for someone who isn’t in a high risk group to take it

237093 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to steve_w, 1, #730 of 2009 🔗

I shall gladly donate my share to a saintly tiktok nurse.

237078 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #731 of 2009 🔗

As someone who has already suffered vaccine damage from a BCG jab I was forced to have working for the NHS, they would have to drag me kicking and screaming from my house. There will be ‘special vaccines’ for ‘special people’. It is no accident that we have (or had) more healthcare than ever and yet we are sicker. We are ther customers from the cradle to the grave.

236926 OldBaldGamer, replying to OldBaldGamer, 18, #732 of 2009 🔗

So a few days after stealing an election, A miracle “cure” Vaccine is found.

Colour me fucking shocked.

Maybe it was about getting rid of Trump after all, (And a nice little earner, with some lovely new Laws too, as a bonus)

236938 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to OldBaldGamer, 4, #733 of 2009 🔗

Rather like the Iranian hostages released minutes after Reagan being sworn in. Funny that these things seem to happen

236941 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to jakehadlee, 6, #734 of 2009 🔗

Only Biden hasn’t been sworn in yet.

236983 ▶▶ calchas, replying to OldBaldGamer, 2, #735 of 2009 🔗

Was an agenda put into place in order to remove Trump, or does Trump have to be removed in order for the agenda to proceed?

236930 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #736 of 2009 🔗

He said there were questions about the ability to manufacture it at scale and possible toxicity – but “the trial data show excellent results in both of those areas”.



236949 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to steve_w, 5, #737 of 2009 🔗

They’re probably injecting bleach.

237081 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #739 of 2009 🔗

I have said to people Trump was actually repeating this story, badly, and that he was also right about HCQ. They just can’t get over their own bias with him

236963 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steve_w, 2, #740 of 2009 🔗

There are three trials going on. I can say though that the AstraZeneca trial with Oxford University has many problems and is the one the FDA suspended following the death of a 28yr Doctor being one of the trial guinea pigs so to speak, two women in the USA who have both suddenly acquired a long term rare neurological conditions and others who have become ill since being on the trial. I wouldn’t touch any of them.

236937 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 33, #741 of 2009 🔗

Just had a rather sinister-ish phone call from someone questioning how we are running our business. We explained what we are doing and they said they were “going to look into it” Probably the same snitchy-looking twerp who we spotted yesterday taking a photo of our blackboard on which I chalked “Here we go again …”

I suspect a visit from ‘authority’ is imminent.

236957 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 12, #742 of 2009 🔗

We definitely have a busy body’s charter in place with all of this. Stay strong, stay sane.

236958 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to kh1485, 12, #743 of 2009 🔗

Keep us posted. Big Brother really is watching. Keep up the resistance too!

236959 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kh1485, 12, #744 of 2009 🔗

Makes me so angry that you are being persecuted this way, kh. And thousands of others like you, no doubt. I know you will hold firm – we are all right there with you in spirit.

236973 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #745 of 2009 🔗

Thanks. Makes me angry too. I mean, hasn’t this little fuckwit (as ever, s’cuse language) got anything better to do …

236968 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 16, #746 of 2009 🔗

On no,not again Kh.Somebody has really got it in for you.It’s like the daughter of the family restaurant we go to said last week,there is a concerted effort,through whatever means,to destroy hospitality and small independent businesses.
Keep up the resistance,if North West Essex falls we all fall !.

237002 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 10, #747 of 2009 🔗

I know. This shit-show really has flushed out the thoroughly repellent, repugnant arse-wipes in our midst, hasn’t it.

236979 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 9, #748 of 2009 🔗

Often helps if you put them on the back foot. ..ask them what evidence they have and whether they have talked to other people about this since you may wish to discuss this with your solicitor to see if there is any slander or illegal intimidation being deployed.

237007 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to OKUK, 7, #749 of 2009 🔗

Yes, be strong kh and go on the offensive. Bullies back down, but please keep us posted, I’m sure we are all worried for you.

Hugs xx

236982 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 6, #750 of 2009 🔗

Jesus wept.

I think these clowns do deserve what they will get when the shit hits the fan.

In the meantime, stay strong

236989 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to kh1485, 2, #751 of 2009 🔗

were you able to trace the number or was it with held?

236998 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #752 of 2009 🔗

No, number came up on the phone …

237133 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 2, #753 of 2009 🔗

Good thing you do not need to speak to person on the phone unless they introduce themselves and provide evidence of who they are. You done want to divulge trade information to an investigative journalist or snitcher pretending to be an official

237137 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #754 of 2009 🔗

Take photos/videos of all these types visiting your establishment. Might be good to get on twitter (retweeted by people like KBF/Simon/Darren Grimes etc)

Might even be good to get Darren Grimes involved – big story on how honest small businesses are hounded by the establishment

https://mobile.twitter.com/darrengrimes_
https://darrengrimes.com/contact

238204 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to kh1485, #755 of 2009 🔗

I never answer the phone if it says ‘Private number’.

237019 ▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 2, #756 of 2009 🔗

Did they introduce themselves and explain what their authority was for questioning you ?

237034 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 2, #757 of 2009 🔗

Er … no. And if it’s the person I think it is, she didn’t have the balls to question us face-to-face yesterday. But then, these types never do.

237037 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 5, #758 of 2009 🔗

Thanks everyone for your kind words.

BID chairwoman just now looked very closely at my “No masks? We won’t ask” sign …

236939 MDH, replying to MDH, 18, #759 of 2009 🔗

Today’s report comes from Streatham. Traffic quieter than “normal”, but certainly plenty of it. Buses almost empty. Those shops that are open seem to be doing a fairly normal trade. A few masks, but little or no shuffling. Had a nice chat with a delivery driver about the shall we say, over-eager, monitoring of loading bays. Still, TfL’s multi-million-pound shortfall has got to be paid for somehow.

So, really, this is a lockdown in name only. It’s a farce. The only thing being destroyed is businesses. I’m punch drunk with all this bollox now. All involved deserve life imprisonment – but only because I’m against capital punishment. I think I’d make an exception for treason.

237005 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to MDH, 8, #760 of 2009 🔗

No the lockdown is also affecting social, cultural and family life badly.

236950 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 10, #761 of 2009 🔗

Hello, this is page 2 of a letter I have sent to Starmer. Page 1 in next post.

It is a scandal, a true national scandal when our economy has been tanked, mass unemployment is on the cards, our GDP collapsing and other economic indicators for the sake of ‘protecting the NHS’ a failing organisation who is there to protect us not us to protect them. Just for the record, much is made of people not going to A&E, GPs or other medical appointments because they do not want to overburden the NHS. Wrong, the truth on the ground is that they are being refused access to these services in particular, the elderly who were unceremoniously dumped into care homes by the NHS and then, issued with DNR notices without their consent or knowledge, refused admission to hospital however ill they were and required urgent treatment and left to die without dignity, care, lonely and ill probably also in quite considerable pain. GPs refused to visit Care Homes

Where is the Chief Executive of the NHS in all of this? He should be instructing GPs to open their doors to face-to-face appointments, stop Consultants doing private work whilst there is a massive waiting list for medical interventions, diagnosis, surgery and treatment for serious medical conditions. He should be ordering the Dentists (who have been off for nearly a year on full pay) back to their surgeries and failure to do so would result in the immediate removal of their funding and salaries. But no, it is the British people who once again have to bear the brunt of this, the most corrupt Government in UK Parliamentary history and the NHS is allowed to sit and twiddle its thumbs whilst Rome burns.

I heartily commend the Backbenchers who so passionately defended the liberties of the British Nation and I have written to them individually thanking them for this. You? Nowhere, not a whimper of an opposition, “ Yes Prime Minister, Of course Prime Minister, anything else I can help you with Prime Ministe r”. You are just as much a charlatan as Johnson. This kind of ‘toadying’ is excruciating. You are the worst of cowards. You are utterly devoid of any political convictions or integrity. You think that, by turning the Labour Party into Tory Party Mark 2 is going to get you elected as Dictator Keir Stalin. Well, it will not. I can tell you that with a considerable deal of certainty. So, whilst you continue with your obsessive petty little witch-hunts and ‘purges’ within the Labour Party of anybody who holds remotely left wing views, the same as your illustrious alter ego Comrade Stalin, you are actually not only destroying the Labour Party but yourself too.

In the meantime, in this, the most corrupt Government in UK Parliamentary history, a robust opposition is badly needed who will speak truth to power and protect the British public from the worst excesses of this drive towards Totalitarianism, removal of our civil liberties and freedoms and the subjugation of large sectors of society. You are grossly incompetent as the Leader of the Opposition, you are obsessed with your little purges and with appeasing the BOD. In the meantime, the UK economy is in a Depression with mass unemployment on the cards and you cannot be bothered to even fight for the Citizens of this country. You are a COWARD, A CHARLATAN, A FRAUD and a petty, tin pot, wannabe Dictator.

So, Comrade Keir Stalin, it’s time for you to step down and go you will never have the opportunity to become Dictator Starmer.

I look forward to hearing from you.

236969 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Jo Dominich -, 6, #762 of 2009 🔗

I can just picture Starmer with his fingers in his ears going “la la la la la la….”

237265 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DocRC, #763 of 2009 🔗

That’s probably about right. It seems to be a normal response for him.

236976 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #764 of 2009 🔗

Do publish his reply.

237011 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, #765 of 2009 🔗

No don’t, too late for words

237097 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Hayes, #766 of 2009 🔗

I won’t get one but at least I’ve tried!

237047 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Jo Dominich -, 8, #767 of 2009 🔗

As someone who used to answer these things for a minister can I suggest you edit it down to a single side of A4 ie about 400 words max. Anything longer tends to be a rant and not to be taken seriously. If you wish to attach data, keep the letter to one side and attach a clear appendix of data. Your final couple of paras no doubt make you feel better but I can guarantee your letter will be filed in the shredder and you will only be rewarded with a form response.

237095 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #768 of 2009 🔗

Thank you for this advice.

236951 Jo Dominich -, 6, #769 of 2009 🔗

Hi, first page of letter to Starmer.

Dear Sir Keir,

I am writing due to the Labour Party’s, in fact most notably your, failure to oppose the Lockdown 2 in Parliament on Wednesday, 4th November 2020. This failure is commensurate with your having spectacularly failed so far to raise any opposition to anything.

Firstly, I cannot express my disgust strongly enough by the imposition of this second Lockdown based on nothing more than quite clearly fabricated statistics compiled by Chris Whitty and Patrick Valance. It appears however that you had not bothered to analyse these statistics before blindly voting yes to more house arrest, destruction of the economy, destruction of the retail and hospitality sectors and others. Conversely, the Rt Hon Teresa May had done so and told you she had read the Sage Minutes of 23.09.2020 from which she had concluded it just set the scenario for lockdown after lockdown. She also asked whether it was not the case that Johnson, Gove and Hancock had manipulated the true data in order to impose this Lockdown rather than apply critical analysis to it to prevent having to. Instead, without having made any attempt at finding out the truth, you leaped straight in and voted for a further lockdown without any thought at all about the consequences. Shame on you. It is the truth that this alleged pandemic more accurately referred to as a Scamdemic I believe, has little or no foundation in either truth, fact or evidence but rather in mass propaganda, hysteria, fake news and blatantly fabricated statistics.

In the second instance, the first Lockdown and now this Lockdown, is predicated largely on ‘protecting the NHS’ and ‘not overwhelm it’. In fact, Johnson said if the NHS were overwhelmed then it would be prevented from delivering care to others with cardiac, strokes and cancer. Well, FACT, they have not been doing so since March 2020 Lockdown. They remained almost shut from March to July. All diagnostic, lifesaving treatment, elective surgery and other services being totally cancelled. At Appendix A of this letter I attach the true cost on the normal, healthy population of this obsession to Protect the NHS. It is likely that in the next five years in the region of ¼m people will die as a result of a lack of diagnosis of cancer and other conditions requiring proper treatment. The NHS is not overwhelmed, in fact is decidedly underwhelmed during Lockdown yet the staff remained ‘stood down’ on full pay when they should have, at the very least, been on Furlough. It is not overwhelmed now, it is running at normal capacity for this time of year and, the information provided by the ONS actually shows that CV-19 is not only not the cause of death in the majority of deaths it is 24th down the list. People are dying of flu and pneumonia though. What the ONS also showed is that there was a substantial increase in deaths at home. I would say this is due to people who had life saving treatment, surgery and medical intervention cancelled.

The NHS is a failing organisation through and through. I would remind you it takes £145bn of public money and delivers an extremely poor-quality service. It is now about time that 70% of the non-productive, highly paid, tiers and tiers of managers, administrators and non-clinical jobs be made redundant and the revenue from this shifted to increasing bed capacity, medical and clinical staffing levels in order to meet these demands. Are you completely devoid of analytical and critical skills?  Small to medium sized businesses have gone under as a result of the first lockdown and more will do so as a result of this one. Hundreds and  thousands of people have been made redundant as a consequence. Why should the NHS be exempt from this. We have the lowest number of acute and ICU beds in the developed world and, incidentally, the most expensive health care service in the world apart from the USA.

236953 Cecil B, 3, #770 of 2009 🔗

The spanners great enthusiasm to get tested and inflict the pain of house arrest on their nearest and dearest reminds me of the time the Simpsons went for family therapy.

Enjoy

https://youtu.be/JFCgz959ARY

236961 petgor, replying to petgor, 3, #771 of 2009 🔗

Contrary to views expressed here earlier, it seems pretty clear that whilst JHB on Talk Radio, has always been ant Trump, Mike Graham is a Trump supporter.

238070 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to petgor, #772 of 2009 🔗

She was very pro Brexit…maybe its too hard for her to work out that Trump was pro Brexit too and that Biden will not exactly prioritise the UK in a trade deal. She can be ok but I find her manner increasingly irritating and think she is rather full of herself. Prefer Mike Graham or Dan Woottan.

236962 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 15, #773 of 2009 🔗

The French people are having a pretty awful crisis, students are protesting and ‘clashing’ with police because they haven’t been locked down harshly like the rest of the population. From the Telegraph –

Students outside a high school in Compiegne, north of the French capital, Paris, have clashed with police in protests over health risks posed by schools being open during the pandemic.

Student demonstrations having started to build up in France over the last week, with some teachers and students protesting against keeping schools open – while the rest of France is in lockdown – saying it jeopardises their health due to the risk of catching Covid-19 on crowded school premises.

Hopeless

236978 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Darryl, 4, #774 of 2009 🔗

That made me laugh to be honest!

236980 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Darryl, 6, #775 of 2009 🔗

As posted by Stewart earlier, covid is mostly a mental disorder.

237004 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, 5, #776 of 2009 🔗

I never fail to be amazed, though not surprised, at human masochism.

236971 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #777 of 2009 🔗

Disregard the vaccine talk.

These things have to surface now and again to keep the theme in the public mind.

There will be no ‘efective’ vaccine.

An ‘effective’ vaccine would imply the end of current measures.

Anyone who looks into coronaviruses for 30 minutes will realize there is no point – they mutate too easily.

Any vaccine that comes along will be subject to more scrutiny than any other virus before.

As soon as it appears – and a sample is available – it will be analysed from 136 different angles on the Internet in real time.

Social control is the goal.

Any vaccine would have to be mandatory in order to be effective, even if it did appear. That would risk so great a backlash as to threaten that primary goal.

236985 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to calchas, 4, #778 of 2009 🔗

Exactly. The key is that the ‘infections” and “deaths” due to the virus are massively inflated. This is a nothing burger in general terms. It never was a serious issue apart from a small subset of people.

It was pure GIGO. But that has allowed amazing amounts of compliance and tyranny

236986 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 6, #779 of 2009 🔗

Any vaccine would have to be mandatory in order to be effective

I do not understand this claim. If a vaccine is effective, it renders the vaccinated person immune. That person is immune, regardless of whether or not anyone else is vaccinated.

236992 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #780 of 2009 🔗

But, but, but, what about those who are obese for whom the vaccine likely won’t work. We need to protect them so they can continue to eat!

237001 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #781 of 2009 🔗

If the vaccine doesn’t work, it is ineffective. On the obesity issue, have you seen Dr Kenrick’s latest blog post: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/11/03/dr-david-unwin-can-stop-people-dying-of-covid19/

237016 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #782 of 2009 🔗

Thanks for that. Yes, as far back as April/May, research from one of the New York hospitals noted that obesity was the second significant factor after age in determining likelihood of death.

237086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #783 of 2009 🔗

But not BAME status.

237092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #784 of 2009 🔗

Yes, but obesity these days is being larger than a size 12 for women!

237170 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Hayes, #785 of 2009 🔗

Effective, safe early interventions, such as HCQ, make vaccines unnecessary for the general population.

237209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PastImperfect, #786 of 2009 🔗

Average age of coronavirus related deaths is over eighty. Life expectancy is less than eighty. The virus is having zero impact on mortality. The virus is not a serious problem for the vast majority of the population.

236997 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #787 of 2009 🔗

I know what you mean Steve and I agree.

I was already in my mind assuming the argument of the authorities – which would be accepted by the public – without explicitly stating it.

Cheers.

237065 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #788 of 2009 🔗

Actually that is exactly what herd immunity is.

237082 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #789 of 2009 🔗

The concept herd immunity (which is barbaric language) refers to a generalised immunity in a population as a result of prior infections from which individuals have recovered and thus acquired immunity, when this reaches the level that there are insufficient numbers of individuals in the population who are vulnerable to sustain the infective agent.

237187 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Hayes, -1, #790 of 2009 🔗

Why is it “barbaric language”?

237214 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PastImperfect, #791 of 2009 🔗

Because it implies that human beings are cattle or antelope or some other herd species.

237635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Steve Hayes, #792 of 2009 🔗

get over yourself – it’s that kind of thinking that got us here in the first place

237747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Hayes, #793 of 2009 🔗

Oh, I see. I really is degrading to lump human beings in with such noble creatures

238072 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Steve Hayes, #794 of 2009 🔗

Humans are a herd species! Very few are free thinking individuals. Most are terrified of being outside the herd.

236990 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 8, #795 of 2009 🔗

They intend to make it mandatory, calchas.
I met with two members of the military who were paying their respects at local war memorials, and they seemed oblivious to the irony.
Also my multilingual friend is digesting a terrifying new letter sent out by ACU2020 begging individual members of the forces to remember who they serve.
Just think about where we are now compared to 10 months ago. This is not a time for any complacency or wishful thinking.
The purpose of the vaccine is to inject people, not to put any kind of stop to the covid problem.

237003 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 3, #796 of 2009 🔗

You may be right of course.

However, if so, than I think there will be many caveats that anti-social distancing and masking will be made to continue.

The big, big, question obviously, is what such a virus would contain.

237178 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to calchas, #797 of 2009 🔗

virus? vaccine? (Agreed)

237015 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 3, #798 of 2009 🔗

You are right about complacency. If a vaccine appears, which allows the reduction or disappearance of anti-social distancing and masking,. then I will take it all back.

Yes- remain watchful.

237027 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 2, #799 of 2009 🔗

What surprised me in March was how quickly the ‘Gates/Vaccine conspiracy’ meme appeared. It was almost instantaneous, as if somebody knew that the ‘conspiracy crowd’ would need something to latch on to.

My previous interest in this kind of stuff has shown me that ‘conspiracy narratives’ usually need more time to develop.

237062 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 2, #800 of 2009 🔗

Interesting idea, I can’t be sure but tend to think that a lot of people already knew Gates is behind vaccination drives. He’s been speaking about it for a very long time now (and injuring people).

237076 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 1, #801 of 2009 🔗

All of which would have made it perfect for the role.

236993 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to calchas, 3, #802 of 2009 🔗

Social control? … Social domination?

236996 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 3, #803 of 2009 🔗

calchas – you obviously know more about such things than I. I thought that the pharma companies were defining effectiveness as reducing the severity of symptoms, so if that were true how would it bring an end to current measures?

Who would be doing the analysis ? Could they argue against any claims made without running their own trials?

I agree this is all about control now. But I think they will push the vaccine, regardless of efficacy because the money has already been spent.

237010 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #804 of 2009 🔗

I take your point. ‘efectiveness’ must so be qualiied as to allow measures to continue.

As for analysis, I would assume that any mass vaccination program which would be attempted, would mean that samples would fall into the ‘wrong hands’ enabling analysis.

236987 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #805 of 2009 🔗

https://youtu.be/zbymzgzDIEM

Not sure of the provenance.

237013 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PastImperfect, #806 of 2009 🔗

here’s a bit more rational background from the blockchain point of view .

236999 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 9, #807 of 2009 🔗

Could this news about the vaccine ‘breakthrough’ possibly be linked to what Alex Belfield said on his YouTube channel the other day, about the BMA sending letters out to medical personnel to prepare for a Covid vaccination programme starting in December this year?

237012 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Poppy, 6, #808 of 2009 🔗

OMG it’s just a few weeks away.

Send the doctors a letter reminding them of their personal duty of care to not injure their patients with a rushed vaccine.
Just following orders is no defence

237032 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Rosie, 6, #809 of 2009 🔗

The doctors and nurses are the first ones c**ping themselves over having to be. vaccinated themselves.

237033 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, #810 of 2009 🔗

The email was posted here the day after the Alex Belfied vid.

237067 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Poppy, 2, #811 of 2009 🔗

Given that GPs have hidden away because they are scared and hospital staff because they are too fat, such personnel should be the first to get the new vaccine.

237009 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 5, #812 of 2009 🔗

Will be curious to witness, no doubt with many thousands of others, the likes of Jelly Johnson, Lt Gruber and the comedy twins of death get their ugly backsides out in Trafalgar Sq as they are first to submit to this fabled vaccine. May still wait a decade or two before taking it myself, mind.

237025 ▶▶ steph, replying to nickbowes, 4, #813 of 2009 🔗

If it were 100% verifiable that they received a real dose then in would be an amusing spectacle. I’d still wait many years before having the vaccine myself though

237014 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 9, #814 of 2009 🔗

Is it possible our PM is so low-information? He really must be 3B material if he didn’t look at at V and W’s figures and think, “That can’t possibly be right”. Any teenager with GCSE level maths and science could see their report was completely without merit. I expect Johnson is just flailing around now looking for some one to blame because the public are waking up as are our (generally) comatose MPs. In fact I suspect all these bits of tittle-tattle ‘leaked’ from the cabinet are deliberately released to manipulate public opinion. In a just world, the cabinet and its advisors would not be exempt from suicidal thoughts.

237026 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bugle, 4, #815 of 2009 🔗

He knows exactly what he is doing.

237035 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to leggy, 4, #816 of 2009 🔗

They don’t call him “slippery” for nothing.

237030 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bugle, 4, #817 of 2009 🔗

Option A: Boris is so innumerate he lacks the cognitive ability to question the figures put in front of him.
Option B: He’s manipulating public opinion to shift blame.

It’s a tough one. Can I say both?

237045 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bugle, 6, #818 of 2009 🔗

I think he leaked it. He knows the game is up and he is about to walk away – he always does!

237063 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #819 of 2009 🔗

He’s doing a press conference today, probably to announce his new sunlit uplands wonder vaccine. Pat himself on the back about its ‘success ‘ (for Pfizer shareholders) and then he’ll get Twitty or Handcock to intone that we ‘ must obey lockdown ‘.

237060 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bugle, 2, #820 of 2009 🔗

Johnson is an empty vessel, and always has been. In many ways the perfect vehicle to usher in the transformation into a totalitarian system.

Someone with much more intelligence and attention to detail will be required to maintain this system going forward.

237099 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #821 of 2009 🔗

Agreed. We’ll need to keep very close watch on the next incumbent.

237020 Rosie, 20, #822 of 2009 🔗

Reply from an MP, good one. I wrote a short letter thanking him for voting against lockdown, and said how terrified I am.

From: WALKER, Charles
Sent: 09 November 2020 12:25
To: (me)
Subject: RE: Lockdown vote

Thank you so much for taking the trouble to write to me with your kind comments and thoughts about the challenges we face.

If there is one silver lining from all of this, it is that I no longer take for granted all the privileges and freedoms I mistakenly thought were mine by right.

Yours,

Charles
…………….

I replied as follows:

Many thanks for your reply. I agree and often mention that I was born a free English-woman and intend to die one as well.

Sending prayers and strength

Rosie

237022 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #823 of 2009 🔗

No pictures of people queuing outside testing stations in Liverpool today

Make no mistake, if there were queues they would be publishing pictures of them

12,000 out of 480,000 on the first day, and?…………..

237023 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cecil B, 1, #824 of 2009 🔗

At that rate. they can do everyone in just over a month.
They will consider that a success, don’t you think?

237031 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stewart, 1, #825 of 2009 🔗

Supposed to be twice a week so on your maths that means 8 months.

237042 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #826 of 2009 🔗

So 2.5% of the population tested on day one

The plan is to test the whole population every four days

That’s 4,032,000 tests a month. So .27% of the target achieved on day one

Even if they tested only once a month and maintained the ‘enthusiasm’ of the first day they could only ever achieve 360,000

Another expensive shit show from PHE

237058 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #827 of 2009 🔗

Said on Radio 4 this morning that Army mass vaccination teams would be rolling into Manchester and an unnamed southern City.

237069 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 1, #828 of 2009 🔗

‘Rolling’ sounds a bit ominous

Will they be driving tanks?

237105 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #829 of 2009 🔗

This shiiiteshow, that’s the image I get, of the tanks rolling back and forth across Tienanmen Square.
And then of former MPs coying up to Chinese politicians
and then of us getting called Nazis for voting for Brexit
Obscene
Except lockdown has killed and destroyed more already.

237071 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #830 of 2009 🔗

exactly in line with my conversation with two members on Thursday
did they say when?

237284 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, #831 of 2009 🔗

No, but it was inferred imminent.

237028 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #832 of 2009 🔗

2nd part of Jeremy Vine show talking about lockdown 2 with most callers moaning it wasn’t lockdowny enough.
JV did finish by saying

“we’ve had several callers saying they went out to see what was happening and were dismayed by . . .
how many people had gone out. . .!”

Bad doctor Sarah Jarvis full on Pfizer vaccine enthusiast before I cancelled her.
.

237048 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 9, #833 of 2009 🔗

“we’ve had several callers saying they went out to see what was happening and were dismayed by . . .

how many people had gone out

This madness is beyond caricature. It is already a satire of itself.

237080 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to karenovirus, 3, #834 of 2009 🔗

I think it is important to remember just how much draconian censorship is going on surrounding all of this. We need to acknowledge that many anti-lockdown callers were probably blocked by the BBC. My view is, if there was any truth in any of this, we would be ready to accommodate as many different points of view as possible.

So, certainly around here, people are angry but the pro-lockdown people are the ones that get on the programme.

237127 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 3, #835 of 2009 🔗

Bad doctor Sarah Jarvis full on Pfizer vaccine enthusiast before I cancelled her.

Wonder what kind of kickback she gets?

237145 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to karenovirus, 1, #836 of 2009 🔗

Everyone else is too busy trying to get on with their lives as best they can to call Jeremy Vine.

237254 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 2, #837 of 2009 🔗

Does going out to see if anyone else has gone out constitute a reasonable excuse?

237029 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 16, #838 of 2009 🔗

US election: Facebook, Twitter and the gang – the Friends of the Dems – are now censoring people who message about Benfold’s law and closing down their accounts.

Benfold’s law is a mathematical rule of distribution that is used to identify suspected vote rigging. Trump’s vote is in line with it while Biden’s is totally out of kilter with it.

The idea put about by the BBC and the MSM that Biden and the Dems wish to “heal” America is a grotesque lie. They intend to silence, to censor, to persecute, to hollow out the constitution and to steal all future elections.

It will be interesting to see how the BBC deal with the election fraud. Will they track the US MSM which has already gone from “no evidence” to “little evidence”? Of course they will.

Meanwhile interesting to see how the US networks have failed to call Alaska and North Carolina for Trump despite those being obvious calls. The reason is they don’t want people to see Trump’s numbers climbing again – not part of the narrative.

237041 ▶▶ stewart, replying to OKUK, 7, #839 of 2009 🔗

I think Biden and co mean “healing” in the way that the inquisition meant “saving” just before burning heretics at the stake.

237050 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stewart, 3, #840 of 2009 🔗

Yes. Full confession required. The Antifa fascists would have no problem with torturing opponents to get the confessions, Mao style, but thankfully were not quite there yet.

237052 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to OKUK, 2, #841 of 2009 🔗

Yet…

237043 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, 4, #842 of 2009 🔗

All of that looting rioting and burning down Democrat controlled cities sure seems to have stopped quick…

237115 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, 2, #843 of 2009 🔗

The weight and foulness of the arse pressing down on the face of democracy are overwhelming. If the Dems and their allies get away with this, the postdemocratic age has begun.

237189 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to OKUK, #844 of 2009 🔗

Google doesn’t seem to have got the memo about censoring Benford’s Law. Interestingly, high on the search engine results is an academic paper on the history and applications of the law from no less than Imperial College London: home of Ferguson and his dodgy mathematics.

237307 ▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, -3, #845 of 2009 🔗

Oh do sop the traditional right-wing whining and whinging when things don’t go your way.

It was Republicans voting against Trump that was a major difference, because they didn’t want another four years of the Baby Satsuma’s narcissistic idiocy on their consciences.

Biden won. Get over it.

237040 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 5, #846 of 2009 🔗

Here’s the reply from my MP (Greg Clark) to an email I sent him last week. It demonstrates exactly how Boris and all MPs who voted for the second lockdown swallowed unquestioningly the scare-mongering propaganda from Witless and Unbalanced (“the country’s most senior expert advisors” …seriously?) and the NHS bloke. Disgusting, but sadly predictable.

Thank you for your email.

I do understand – and share – your concerns about the impact of new restrictions that came into force from today to 2 December.

As Chair of the Science and Technology Select Committee of the House of Commons I questioned both Sir Patrick Vallance, the Chief Scientific Adviser, and Professor Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer, on this on Tuesday afternoon. You can see a video of the session here or read the transcript here .

Both Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Whitty confirmed that their assessment – and their advice to the Prime Minister – was that unless these measures were taken, the capacity of NHS would be overrun by the beginning of December (even assuming that all spare capacity was used up and planned operations cancelled to make way for Covid patients).

Faced with an assessment from the country’s most senior expert advisers and by the NHS that hospitals would very soon not be able to cope, and with the prospect that sick people would be turned away from hospital, I don’t believe that any Prime Minister could have refused to take the steps he was advised were necessary to prevent it. That is why I voted for the new restrictions.

However I think a number of things are essential for the future. One is that these restrictions are removed as soon as they can be. They expire automatically on 2 December and cannot be automatically rolled over. The second is that we must have much more transparency about the analysis that led to these predictions being made, and a greater ability to scrutinise and challenge it in advance of it being used to drive decisions.

In both respects, I will continue as Chair of the Science Committee and as your MP, to do everything I can to ensure that as we deal with the consequences of the virus we minimise the infringements of our freedoms and the damage to people’s livelihoods for the remaining course of this pandemic.

With best wishes

Greg

237057 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Liz F, 5, #847 of 2009 🔗

To be fair Liz, I think he is providing cover for Boris by laying the blame at the hands of Whitty and Vallance. I think they all need to go – advisers, Boris and Cabinet. Once one goes, they probably all go, so it is now just a question of who is first in my view.

237090 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #848 of 2009 🔗

I agree!

237183 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #849 of 2009 🔗

Johnson won’t be going anywhere, unless he resigns, because no one else could possibly want the job at the moment, and if they did they would need sectioning.

237220 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Will, 1, #850 of 2009 🔗

I think he will resign by the end of the year. He is a coward, and once he has exhausted all avenues of blaming others for his own incompetence and cowardice, he will run away. He is only hanging around to say ‘at least I did Brexit’, but even that is looking questionable.

237224 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #851 of 2009 🔗

did you watch the Downfall parody on Saturday? it goes to this point..

237221 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Will, 2, #852 of 2009 🔗

god, you people cheer me up. Here you all are, having a thoughtful and amusing conversation about the appalling PM. Such a tonic in my day.

237059 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Liz F, 4, #853 of 2009 🔗

Greg Clarke cannot but know that none of the government’s coronavirus measures are based on scientific empirical evidence. His Committee has been told this again and again by the government’s advisors. For example, on 22 May 2020, Professor Yvonne Doyle of Public Health England, when asked for the scientific basis for the two metre social distancing rule, replied: “The precautionary principle.” That was it: mere wishful thinking; no science, no evidence.

237083 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #854 of 2009 🔗

Greg Clarke cannot but know that …

You’re assuming the fuckers stay awake during these committees, Steve.

237100 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnB, 2, #855 of 2009 🔗

I have watched many of these and I watched the one of 22 May and he was definitely awake. In fact, he was the one who asked Professor Doyle for the scientific basis of the two metre rule and when she provided her three word answer, he moved on as though the question had been answered. He is not asleep, he is complicit.

237803 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, #856 of 2009 🔗

Prof Robert Dingwall said “it was conjured up out of nowhere”.

237053 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #857 of 2009 🔗

Vaccine news on the same say as the GCHQ disinformation news

LOL

237064 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #858 of 2009 🔗

How opportune!! The US Elections are supposedly over with a win for Dementia Joe and hey presto a miracle vaccine that protects 90% of the population that isn’t affected anyway! 😅 😅

237075 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, #859 of 2009 🔗

I feel sorry for the anti-vaxxers at GCHQ.

As they are very bright kiddies, it’s unlikely there won’t be at least one or two who have looked into vaccines properly.

237376 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #860 of 2009 🔗

I’ve heard that there are hoards of Russian trained, mutant virus infected mink in Viking helmets currently swimming across the North Sea to kill us all. It’s ok though we have llamas to fight them off. Hooray! Sorry, getting delirious. This prison life is driving me mad.

237054 Edward, 14, #861 of 2009 🔗

I have received 5 more replies from the 38 MPs whom I emailed to thank for voting against the second lockdown, in addition to the 4 replies previously received. Bear in mind that I stated that I didn’t necessarily expect a reply as they are not my MP, so credit to them for replying. For Esther McVey and Sammy Wilson their assistants replied saying that my message would be passed to the MPs. Other replies are from Richard Drax, Stephen McPartland, and Sir Charles Walker. I’ll quote the last of these in full.
“Thank you so much for taking the trouble to write to me with your kind comments and thoughts about the challenges we face.

If there is one silver lining from all of this, it is that I no longer take for granted all the privileges and freedoms I mistakenly thought were mine by right.

Yours,

Charles”

237068 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #862 of 2009 🔗

Vaccine from Pfizer allegedly 90% efective.

So, daily ‘covid deaths’ would fall from 250 say to 25.

However, even when ‘covid deaths’ were at 25, there was no abandonment of masks and anti.social distancing.

In act, masks were introduced only after the events of Spring were over.

237077 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to calchas, 5, #863 of 2009 🔗

Dr Scott Gottlieb, former head of FDA and non-exec at Pfizer, just said still likely not available widely until end Q2/start Q3 2021. A lot can happen between now and then, and he is still expressing some caution.

237087 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 2, #864 of 2009 🔗

though we do not know the conditions under which the claimed efficacy is nullified. No evidence that those with vulnerabilities would not fall within the 10%, so maybe no reduction in deaths at all.

237089 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to calchas, 5, #865 of 2009 🔗

Unfortunately the vaccine does not cure old age end of life frailty – so the weekly death numbers won’t change

237118 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, 2, #866 of 2009 🔗

But the corporate media reporting will change.

237190 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to calchas, #867 of 2009 🔗

the reports were of initial findings from phase 3 testing. They definitely were not. Phase 3 and 4 have the 44,000 people in the tesrs. These results were from phase 2 and consisted of ‘in total’ 94 injections. What is unsaid is that half of these were injected with the so-called vaccine and half with a placebo. So 47 people were tested. At the initial part of those test there was a 90% success against the test criteria, this is not immunity but a mild recovery from mild symptoms. Even then the report quickly qualifies itself by saying things could change over the weeks of the test.
You would think, reading headlines in the papers that a cure had been found. That is very very far from the truth.

237210 ▶▶▶ c s, replying to peyrole, #868 of 2009 🔗

Hi peyrole. You have misinterpreted the results.

Vaccine “efficacy” is measured in terms of reducing symptomatic COVID-19. The trial count has reached 94 “cases”, presumably people who have tested positive in the trial. The trial itself has enrolled many many more than this but they have had to wait all this time to see the 94 total cases. If its 90% effective I would guess that this means 85 cases seen in the placebo arm and less than 5 in the treatment arm. Final trial analysis will be carried out when the entire trial has seen 164 “cases” across the two arms. \The primary endpoint of the trial is only “reduction in symptoms”. We dont yet know how good it is at reducing severity of cases and reduction of infection.

One key issue with the vaccine from Pfizer is the temperature at which it must be stored. Not sure what it is exactly but put it this way its cold. Will make distribution/supply chain a little more complicated

237238 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to calchas, #869 of 2009 🔗

I don’t think any of the vaccines were tested to reduce deaths or infections, just to make mild cases milder?

237292 ▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 1, #870 of 2009 🔗

Vaccine from Pfizer allegedly 90% effective.”

Err … how would you know without a minimum of 3-years field testing by rigorous RCT? 

237072 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 9, #871 of 2009 🔗

So our clown PM and his two ronnies of doom are doing a 5pm press conf .

all seems a bit convenient a few days after the walking corpse “won” the US Election.(as yet unconfirmed).

Anyway, thank you to anyone who wants to watch and report on these morons.

237131 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, 1, #872 of 2009 🔗

Attention seeking to add to all their other character flaws

237236 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to nickbowes, 1, #873 of 2009 🔗

Today? Please no. I thought they were only allowed out on Tuesdays?

237252 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to nickbowes, 1, #874 of 2009 🔗

Don’t think somehow it’s got anything to do with the USA Election. I think it’s about the vaccine or more fabricated graphs of gloom and doom to increase the hysteria. There won’t be any good news anyway.

237285 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nickbowes, #875 of 2009 🔗

Look on the US bright side – at least the other mouldering corpse was put back in his coffin – despite whinging loudly ”Snot fair!’.

237073 Locked down and out, replying to Locked down and out, 6, #876 of 2009 🔗

Today from gloom merchant Drakeford:
The first minister added: “This weekend we passed yet another grim milestone as Public Health Wales recorded its 2,000th death. This is a truly terrible virus, it hits us hardest where we are most vulnerable – in our love for family and friends. People are being taken before their time, families are losing parents, children brothers and sisters.”
How many children have died in Wales from CV-19? The short answer is probably none. Anyone have any stats to prove this?

237114 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Locked down and out, 3, #877 of 2009 🔗

Everyone is someone’s child, including ninety year olds in care homes, under virtual arrest, denied access to relatives, social interaction, the outdoors and medical attention.

237136 ▶▶ annie, replying to Locked down and out, #878 of 2009 🔗

Dungford has certainly hit us where it hurts most. It’s illegal for us to see our family and friends.

237167 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Locked down and out, 4, #879 of 2009 🔗

“People are being taken before their time, …”

Sure they are.

Life expectancy, Wales, male: 78.3 years
Life expectancy, Wales, female: 82.3 years
Average age of people who have died with COVID: 82.4 years

237234 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Locked down and out, 1, #880 of 2009 🔗

1999 deaths is A-Ok.

2000 deaths, woah, grim grim grim, milestones everywhere, etc etc.

237247 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Locked down and out, #881 of 2009 🔗

I think this website have published some figures for Wales? In any event, I don’t know what he’s on about All Cause Mortality?

237277 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Locked down and out, 1, #882 of 2009 🔗

If a genuine belief, the ignorance and sheer stupidity is amazing. Does he really not have any grasp of the number of deaths that represent the normal level of mortality? You wouldn’t give such a bozo charge of a wheelbarrow, let alone a nation!

237321 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Locked down and out, #883 of 2009 🔗

i am sure there must be some 90 year old who has lost a 70 year old child .
although i dont think that is what he is implying

237079 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #884 of 2009 🔗

worth re-examining this at this point in our glorious history…

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/
“The law permits compulsory interference with bodily integrity under mental health law. This derogation from the common law principle of no treatment without consent is compatible with the ECHR. It is arguable that if compulsory treatment under mental health law is compatible with human rights law, so too is compulsory vaccination. Importantly, the same protected interest—that in bodily integrity—is at stake in the two contexts the mental health parity argument compares.”

237230 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #885 of 2009 🔗

Here is from the European Charter:

Article 3

Right to the integrity of the person

1 – Everyone has the right to respect for his or her physical and mental integrity.

2 – In the fields of medicine and biology, the following must be respected in particular:

  • the free and informed consent of the person concerned, according to the procedures laid down by law,
  • the prohibition of eugenic practices, in particular those aiming at the selection of persons,
  • the prohibition on making the human body and its parts as such a source of financial gain,
  • the prohibition of the reproductive cloning of human beings.

So they are talking shite if they say compulsory vaccinations etc are in line with the ECHR.

237084 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #886 of 2009 🔗

So how do politicians get out of this fiasco smelling of roses? They keep banging on about the imminent arrival of a vaccine (it could be a placebo as it doesn’t matter). They roll out the vaccine and turn the sensitivity down on the PCR testing and hey presto, the testing is remaining the same but cases are reducing, so the vaccine is working and aren’t we marvellous. (The sheeple will fall for it).

But then I could be a tin foil hatted conspiracists.

237094 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #887 of 2009 🔗

Plus exempt the “vaxxed”, even just not testing healthcare staff would mean 1000s less daily “cases”.

237116 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, #888 of 2009 🔗

The testing companies wouldn’t like that!

237102 ▶▶ l835, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #889 of 2009 🔗

Record all post vaccine “cases” as seasonal flu. Job done.

237112 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #890 of 2009 🔗

I think it’s a possibility but I have not believed for a long time that there is a genuine wish to return our liberties, other than among those who voted against lockdown 2 and perhaps a few others who have yet to find their spine.

By the time they roll out a vaccine of any type or efficacy, I fear that the country will be in such a terrible state that ‘they’ will want to keep everyone on a tight leash.

237129 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #891 of 2009 🔗

I think there is little doubt that there is a conspiracy even if it just one within the inner circles of cabinet, SAGE etc to cover up their lies, blunders and vanity

237143 ▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #892 of 2009 🔗

I don’t think you are. I think you’re quite right. And I normally avoid conspiracy theories like the plague.

237206 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #893 of 2009 🔗

The coming economic destruction of the economy will dwarf anything they have done up to now.The vaccine is not the panacea but the gateway to our new world of totalitarianism.

237085 guy153, 3, #894 of 2009 🔗

The paper cited under “Stop Press 2” is talking about an antibody test kit. The moonshine tests are also pretty hopeless according to MTEG in Manchester as reported by the Guardian but it’s a different sort of test. The moonshine ones are PCR but the innovation is they don’t need all the heating up and cooling down again of regular PCR tests so are faster. They’re looking for fragments of viral RNA not antibodies (which are part of an immune response that you might have if infected).

237088 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #895 of 2009 🔗

Just emailed all the MPs who voted against mockdown last week.
So far, lots of auto replies and a couple that bounced.
However, I got these replies within half an hour:

Thank you for your email and support.
If you would like to read my full statement regarding my vote against the second lockdown I have attached the link for you :- https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/i-cannot-support-another-lockdown-which-divides-us-we-should-give-the-tier-system-a-chance-to-work
Best Wishes,
Stephen
Stephen McPartland

Thank you for your email which is much appreciated.
We battle on!
My warm wishes to you.
Richard
Richard Drax

Thank you for your email and for your kind words of support.
Yours sincerely,
Steve
Steve Baker MP

Besides thanking them, I also want to thank the Sceptic who very kindly provided all their contact details yesterday. Very sorry I can’t remember who you were but ou saved me a lot of time!
I’ll forward the list in a separate post and also ask Toby to make the list easily available.

Do give these guys some encouragement. It didn’t take me long.

237098 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cheezilla, #896 of 2009 🔗

full list would be appreciated

237110 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 1, #897 of 2009 🔗

Just posted it. Full of links so waiting for approval.

237126 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Rosie, 1, #898 of 2009 🔗

See Doubting Dave’s list at:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/07/latest-news-186/#comment-234708

**Katharine Huggins is the address for David Jones.

Julian Lewis (Independent) doesn’t accept email.
From his website ( https://www.julianlewis.net/ ):

Contact Julian by writing to him at:

3 The Parade, Cadnam, Hampshire SO40 2NG

Telephone: 023 80 814 817

From abroad: + 44 23 80 814 817

[Please note: (i) constituency correspondence is not carried out by email;

and (ii) it is helpful if you include a telephone number , when writing.]

237091 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #899 of 2009 🔗

Have any of my fellow sceptics heard the report of some car insurance companies stating that if you have an accident whilst driving “without a valid reason during lockdown” that they will not pay out?

237107 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #900 of 2009 🔗

Testing your eyes is fine presumably?

237125 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 3, #901 of 2009 🔗

or attend the support group of up to 15

237119 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #902 of 2009 🔗

I hadn’t heard that before. But presumably the insurance company would have to provide a list of reasons they consider to be valid to implement this.

237123 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #903 of 2009 🔗

They should rather not pay out if the driver had a mask on whilst driving.

237132 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Victoria, 1, #904 of 2009 🔗

Absolutely.

237142 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #905 of 2009 🔗

Sounds impossible to implement. File under the ‘you can’t leave the country’ category.

237172 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #906 of 2009 🔗

Is ‘going somewhere’ a valid reason?

237200 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Major Panic, #907 of 2009 🔗

Apparently not.

237201 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., #908 of 2009 🔗

I think it’s propaganda to make you stay at home,but I wouldn’t put anything past insurance companies trying to wriggle out of a claim.

237101 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #909 of 2009 🔗

Actually managed to shake the tree with my e-mail about no answer in 3 weeks so they have no science.

The Doctor who is a Councillor and in charge of the Staffordshire County Council Health and Wellbeing Committee has replied with:

“Dear Mr Canning

I’m afraid you are addressing your ire to the wrong person.

You clearly disagree with much of HM Government’s policy for management of the Sars-cov-2 pandemic, including use of viral PCR testing, as well as the second national ‘lockdown’, as well as with the official statistics. I suggest you take this up with the Secretary of State of Health and Social Care.

I don’t think it would be a good use of either of our time to enter into further correspondence. ”

What cop out, no defence, no answers, no attempt to justify anything but “blame the big boys, not us”.

237117 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #910 of 2009 🔗

Remind him of his duty of care. Following orders is no defence.

237121 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Rosie, 3, #911 of 2009 🔗

Was in the 2nd e-mail along with what Articles of the various Human Right Charters they are breaking so I’ve already told him but that is the excuse they will all try and use.

237144 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #912 of 2009 🔗

What IS his job FOR again?
err
Staffordshire County Council Health and Wellbeing Committee
REALLY? Wellbeing? lol, splutter, health and what….wellb….what REALLY?

237181 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #913 of 2009 🔗

Probably one of the worst responses I’ve seen

237197 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #914 of 2009 🔗

Now now, AG does his best ! 🙂

237182 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #915 of 2009 🔗

Sent him a reply:

This will be my final missive on the subject as you are using the defence “I was just following orders” as a defence and this is not an acceptable defence morally, ethically or legally.

Nuremberg Principle IV.

The more that is found out about “covid-19” the less dangerous it is and it is now on par with “normal” influenza as stated by facts and figures from the CDC, WHO and the ONS as influenza does not and never has warranted any of the measures that have been put in place in the past 8 months worldwide.

Nor do lockdowns work as admitted by the WHO a few weeks ago and who requested that all Governments stop using them as a “tool” to control covid-19.

The science, facts and data that support this are easily found doing independent research away from Government “guidance” pages.

You use the word Doctor in your title.

In the Hippocratic oath that supposedly medical personal but especially doctors swear on qualifying are the phrases:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

So you are ignoring all the scientific evidence that prove that lockdowns are ineffective as a non-pharmaceutical intervention.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

So you are advocating, recommending and enforcing more restrictions and lockdowns that will lead to far more deaths from non-treatment of many other illnesses and complications while promoting the lockdowns just in case it might “save one life” or “save the NHS”.

The Hippocratic Oath the medical industry is so proud of now null and void.

Or in the Declaration of Geneva:

THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration

I WILL PRACTICE my profession with conscience and dignity and in accordance with good medical practice

What is happening is certainly not “good medical practice”. Nor is the health and wellbeing of your patients your first consideration.

And most importantly:

I WILL NOT USE my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat

When you read the Amnesty International report on what has been happening in UK Care homes and the incidents of GPs, doctors and hospitals refusing the residents care and medical treatment and locking them up for months on end without human and loving contact there was no respect for for human rights and civil liberties so again, this is a null and void part of an oath. It is bordering on crimes against humanity on a couple of different counts.

It is freely and easily available on the Amnesty International website.

When you read of all the suicides that are taking place, the people dying from treatment being withheld for many months when they could have been treated and saved if they had been seen and treated in a timely manner had the NHS not been shut down so it could concentrate on one disease to the e xclusion of everything else this is not looking after the health and wellbeing of either your patients, your constituents or the population in general.

All this is easily and readily available and verifiable in the public domain.

Your public image of a caring profession is now in tatters with your oaths ignored and your advocating of measures that border on superstition, not scientific fact making it look as if this was the middle ages again.

Once again, thank you for your open and honest reply.

237392 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Awkward Git, #916 of 2009 🔗

Yes, right on the money.

237104 Cheezilla, 5, #917 of 2009 🔗

Voted against mockdown

Please write and thank them.

Adam Afriyie – adam.afriyie.mp@parliament.uk
Peter Bone – bonep@parliament.uk
Sir Graham Brady – altsale@parliament.uk
Steve Brine – steve.brine.mp@parliament.uk
Christopher Chope – chopec@parliament.uk
Philip Davies – daviesp@parliament.uk
Jonathan Djanogly – Jonathan.djanogly.mp@parliament.uk
Jackie Doyle-Price – Jackie.doyleprice.mp@parliament.uk
Richard Drax – Richard.drax.mp@parliament.uk
Sir Iain Duncan Smith – iain.duncansmith@parliament.uk
Marcus Fysh – Marcus.fysh.mp@parliament.uk
Chris Green – chris.green.mp@parliament.uk
James Grundy – james.grundy.mp@parliament.uk
Mark Harper – mark.harper.mp@parliament.uk
Gordon Henderson – Gordon.henderson.mp@parliament.uk
David Jones – Katharine.huggin@parliament.uk
Tim Loughton – loughtont@parliament.uk
Craig Mackinlay – craig.mackinlay.mp@parliament.uk
Stephen Mcpartland – Stephen@stephenmcpartland.co.uk
Esther Mcvey – esther.mcvey.mp@parliament.uk
Huw Merriman – huw.merriman.mp@parliament.uk
Anne Marie Morris – Annemarie.morris.mp@parliament.uk
Sir Mike Penning – mike.penning.mp@parliament.uk
John Redwood – john.redwood.mp@parliament.uk
Andrew Rosindell – Andrew.rosindell.mp@parliament.uk
Henry Smith – henry.smith.mp@parliament.uk
Sir Desmond Swayne – swayned@parliament.uk
Sir Charles Walker – Charles.walker.mp@parliament.uk
Craig Whittaker – craig.whittaker.mp@parliament.uk
William Wragg – william@williamwragg.org.uk
Julian Lewis – No e-mail address or constituency address
Paul Girvan – paul.girvan.mp@parliament.uk
Carla Lockhart – Carla.lockhart.mp@parliament.uk
Ian Paisley – ian.paisley.mp@parliament.uk
Sammy Wilson – barronj@parliament.uk
Sir Robert Syms – symsmp.office@parliament.uk
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Steve Baker – steve.baker.mp@parliament.uk

237113 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #918 of 2009 🔗

The preliminary order of vaccine distribution in the UK was published by the Health Department in September:

  1. older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers
  2. all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers
  3. all those 75 years of age and over
  4. all those 70 years of age and over
  5. all those 65 years of age and over
  6. high-risk adults under 65 years of age
  7. moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
  8. all those 60 years of age and over
  9. all those 55 years of age and over
  10. all those 50 years of age and over
  11. rest of the population (priority to be determined)
237122 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to steve_w, 11, #919 of 2009 🔗

Poor care home workers, mostly young.
This is beyond words awful

237343 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Rosie, 2, #920 of 2009 🔗

Prepare for a shortage of care home workers.

237153 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 6, #921 of 2009 🔗

I’m in category 11, with a few years to spare.

So the question is, how long will it take for the merchants of death to process categories 1-10? And will this be long enough for the “side” effects of the vaccine to be exposed thereby bringing the whole programme to a grinding halt?

237165 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Richard O, 4, #922 of 2009 🔗

I am at the back of the queue with a good 30 years to spare and no health conditions. I imagine that my age group may even be advised against taking the vaccine given the risk/benefit balance for us, and to save doses for those who actually need it. At least, this would be the approach of any sane and ethical government…!

237208 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Poppy, 5, #923 of 2009 🔗

this would be the approach of any sane and ethical government

We’re in BIG trouble!

237346 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Richard O, 8, #924 of 2009 🔗

I’m in the category Fuck off with that shit you call vaccine and will never take one …Ever!!No ifs no buts, no

237156 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 3, #925 of 2009 🔗

What is the likelihood that any (rushed) vaccine will be safe (never mind effective) for the old and vulnerable, for people with weak immune systems?

237159 ▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 3, #926 of 2009 🔗

I am at the bottom of the list thankfully.

237249 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Will, 1, #927 of 2009 🔗

I am in group 5 – but regard myself as in group 12!

237163 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to steve_w, 2, #928 of 2009 🔗

Good, I am at the back of the queue. Hopefully by the time they get round to us, we will have had a bit of time to assess side effects.

237164 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to steve_w, 1, #929 of 2009 🔗

Does this mean that everyone over 80 has got to have it 10 times by the time the rest of the population has it? 😉

237168 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, 14, #930 of 2009 🔗

I feel it my duty as a healthy person with a functioning immune system to donate my jab to someone who feels they may be more in need…

237179 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Major Panic, 10, #931 of 2009 🔗

Ditto! – and I’m uncomfortably high on that list!
Very happy with my own immune system thank you, never had a flu jab, never will.

237176 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to steve_w, 1, #932 of 2009 🔗

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037?fbclid=IwAR25QsuL7xB6NxQf1hXRjghLRM9Rs4OQL0OgyZwZ2W_UlAry3XJdcTi2paY

the pop up table herein ( Table 1 Characteristics of ongoing phase III covid-19 vaccine trials) specifically excludes immunocompromised patients from the trials, as well as pregnant and breastfeeding women, children and adoscents. I would imagine that most residents in a care home would be immunocompromised in some way wouldn’t you.
Basically the vaccine will only be used on healthy people who could fight the bloody thing off anyway!

237306 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to vargas99, #933 of 2009 🔗

Basically the vaccine will only be used on healthy people who could fight the bloody thing off anyway!”

I think this is almost certainly right. I don’t see the point.

237205 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, 1, #934 of 2009 🔗

I thought NHS staff were first in line… have they refused?!

237371 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to A. Contrarian, #935 of 2009 🔗

Covered by group 2 but I hope most will refuse

237213 ▶▶ davews, replying to steve_w, #936 of 2009 🔗

Unfortunately in fourth place…. I don’t see NHS staff listed, I thought they were always in the priority list.
It seems of the 9 who caught corona after the vaccine had been given the placebo, so in reality only 2 generally had it and an unknown number who would not have caught it anyway. Make what you can of the figures.

237361 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to steve_w, 1, #937 of 2009 🔗

Good, by the time I get one the mink will have killed everybody

237130 DRW, replying to DRW, 4, #938 of 2009 🔗

Hi all. I woke up with a daydream about getting away to red state America at some point until I remembered creepy Joe has “won” and will probably want the Australia/NZ model.
Noticed on a walk round that the nearby industrial estate is still active, completely different to LD1 when it was deserted.
Then this afternoon I find out the first “vaccine” has been announced. Guess that’s goodbye to my university place then, much of the zealously theatrical campus is now a fully NHS signaged distribution and testing site and no prizes for guessing where they’re going next with that.

237135 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 4, #939 of 2009 🔗

They are going to turn it into a mortuary for all the vaccine victims?

237160 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to DRW, 5, #941 of 2009 🔗

I’d be very surprised if the vaccine was administered to university students straight away. There will be limited quantities at first and these will go to health workers/the vulnerable. We will be the at the back of the queue, and I’m quite happy to remain there for 10 years at least.

237204 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 3, #942 of 2009 🔗

100 years for me.

237139 kh1485, 27, #943 of 2009 🔗

Just got this lovely response from Richard Drax in response to an e-mail to him (sent just a few minutes ago):

Thank you for your kind email and support.
I and my colleagues will continue to work on the Government to change course before we do more damage to people’s lives and livelihoods.
I am glad to tell you that support for our stance is growing with parliamentary colleagues.
I hope this finds you well and thank you again for taking the time to write.
Warm regards
Richard

237140 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #944 of 2009 🔗

I noticed T-Cells being mentioned within the vaccine news. Yet not a peep last week when discussing short-lived antibodies. They are tying themselves in knots.

237151 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #945 of 2009 🔗

You are not supposed to remember what they said yesterday.

237193 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #946 of 2009 🔗

Oceania is at war with Eurasia.They have always been at war with Eurasia.

237354 ▶▶▶▶ John K, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #947 of 2009 🔗

Orthodoxy means not thinking – not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.

237154 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #948 of 2009 🔗

They only mention it when it suits the narrative.

237146 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 21, #949 of 2009 🔗

A lovely response from Charles Walker:

Thank you so much for taking the trouble to write to me with your kind comments and thoughts about the challenges we face.

If there is one silver lining from all of this, it is that I no longer take for granted all the privileges and freedoms I mistakenly thought were mine by right.

Yours,

Charles

237166 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #950 of 2009 🔗

Yes – got mine too. What a nice chap.

237177 ▶▶ c s, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #951 of 2009 🔗

Ditto here

237218 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #952 of 2009 🔗

I’ve had a similar reply from him. I’ve also had replies from a number of other MPs, as users are reporting on here.

I would just say that if you haven’t already done so, it’s not too late to write to the 39 honourable MPs to offer thanks and support. It can not be easy being a fully paid-up, card-carrying member of the so-called “awkward squad” when the machinery is arrayed against you.

237157 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 19, #953 of 2009 🔗

Incredible victory in making that Liverpool school urgently reverse its position!!!!! Well done Toby, UsForThem and all those who fought it. Nothing has given me more hope I’m a very long time!!
https://www.broadgreeninternationalschool.com/our-school/whilst-school-is-closed

237195 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #954 of 2009 🔗

So it is an “update” not a retraction, not an apology, not an explanation.

237212 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #955 of 2009 🔗

Indeed – but it is something. Children are at risk in so many ways at the moment. It’s chilling. Anything that helps!

237223 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #956 of 2009 🔗

Did you see this? Found it on the link

For information

Liverpool Black History Session

The Liverpool Ethnic Minority & Traveller Achievement Service (EMTAS) will be repeating their session on Liverpool Black History for anyone who was unable to make last week’s session

This is open to school staff and the wider community and is FREE!

Topic: Liverpool Black History

Time: Nov 2, 2020 03:30 PM London

Join Zoom Meeting

237162 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #957 of 2009 🔗

The ‘Deagel List’ which projects a population of 14 million for the UK by 2025 has updated its disclaimer:

“In 2014 we published a disclaimer about the forecast. In six years the scenario has changed dramatically. This new disclaimer is meant to single out the situation from 2020 onwards. Talking about the United States and the European Union as separated entities no longer makes sense. Both are the Western block, keep printing money and will share the same fate.
After COVID we can draw two major conclusions:

  1. The Western world success model has been built over societies with no resilience that can barely withstand any hardship, even a low intensity one. It was assumed but we got the full confirmation beyond any doubt.
  2. The COVID crisis will be used to extend the life of this dying economic system through the so called Great Reset.

The Great Reset; like the climate change, extinction rebellion, planetary crisis, green revolution, shale oil (…) hoaxes promoted by the system; is another attempt to slow down dramatically the consumption of natural resources and therefore extend the lifetime of the current system. It can be effective for awhile but finally won’t address the bottom-line problem and will only delay the inevitable. The core ruling elites hope to stay in power which is in effect the only thing that really worries them.”

https://www.deagel.com/forecast

237186 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 2, #958 of 2009 🔗

The detail for the 2025 projection has been removed when you drill into each individual country.

237202 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 2, #959 of 2009 🔗

They used to have a further piece on there explaining in more general detail how they arrived at the forecasts.

I can’t find that right now.I may have archived it somewhere.

They basically attibuted the collapse in western populations (and GDP) to economic/financial decline with an acompanying collapse of welfare systems hitting an already vulnerable population, together with strife and civil disorder as divided populations start to fight to gain access to remaining resources.

The thing is, that in a finely-tuned just-in-time society such as ours, with little redundancy built in, once one thing starts going wrong all sorts of cascades o further negative effects are triggered.

We have seen more than a hint of that this year in lockdown.

237215 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to calchas, 1, #960 of 2009 🔗

Was taken off a little while ago for reasons unknown.

237192 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #961 of 2009 🔗

there’s bollocks and there’s total bollocks. I mean why cancel this?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coca-cola-christmas-truck-cancelled-coronavirus-b60178.html

237196 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #962 of 2009 🔗

BECAUSE THERE’S A DEADLY PANDEMIC GOING ON DIDN’T YOU KNOW!

237357 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #963 of 2009 🔗

If it saves one life

237199 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #964 of 2009 🔗

Mostly stuff we know, but a nice summing up, nevertheless. Just the ‘Introduction’ paragraph does it, really:

https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

via Simon Dolan.

237216 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #965 of 2009 🔗

Thanks Sam. This is potent information.

It is all about the money. Nobody cares about my or your health.

I only copied the 1st 2 points. read the rest.

Examination of the 20 key influencers on SAGE reveals the following:

1) 11 out of 20 work for the government (some hold government roles in addition to other roles).

2) 12 out of 20 work for/have received funding from organisations involved in the Covid-19 vaccine. Those 12 don’t include Vallance with personal pharmaceutical conflicts or Whitty with historical funding from the Gates foundation. Three work for Imperial College and two work for Oxford University – the two forerunners in the Covid-19 vaccine race in the UK – each receiving millions of pounds from government(s) (Ref xiii). Three more work for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine with its own vaccine centre (working on Covid-19 among other vaccines). One works for UCL, which is working with Imperial on its vaccine. Two work for Wellcome/the Wellcome Sanger Institute and one has received funding from the latter. Two members have double conflicts – Peter Horby with Oxford University and Wellcome and Wendy Barclay with Imperial College and Wellcome.

237207 Victoria, 1, #966 of 2009 🔗

More information on Vitamin D deficiency as primary risk factor of severe covid infection and death

If you live in the northern hemisphere, which is currently heading toward winter, now is the time to check your vitamin D level and start taking action to raise it if you’re below 40 ng/mL (100 nmol/L). Experts recommend a vitamin D level between 40 and 60 ng/mL (100 to 150 nmol/L).

If you are unable or unwilling to get a vitamin D test, they have found that the average dose to achieve a healthy vitamin D level of 40 ng/ml is about 8,000 units per day. If you are underweight you will want to reduce this dose to 6-7,000 units per day as heavier people tend to need more vitamin D.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/09/covid-19-patients-vitamin-d-deficiency.aspx

Take at least 4,000IU vitamin D3 per day. Always take with Magnesium and vitamin K2.

237211 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #967 of 2009 🔗

My wife and I are in group 4 ( over 70’s) and (and it’s a big IF) this vaccine is rolled out, we will agree to have it because it will only be a placebo with no effect whatsoever, but if it will keep the sheep and collaborators happy, well so be it.
We have known the truth all along and when the history of this mass hysteria is written we will be vindicated.

237231 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #968 of 2009 🔗

Agreed, using the flu vaccine, that they were ‘short’ of.

237233 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Fingerache Philip., #969 of 2009 🔗

Sadly that depends who writes the history: as you know, it is always the victors who write up any ‘war’!

237263 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #970 of 2009 🔗

I would not assume it’s a placebo and will resist having it.

237484 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Fingerache Philip., #971 of 2009 🔗

That’s my hope as well.
Why risk the side effects, if you can end the pandemic simply by reducing the max. ct number of a standardized PCR test down to 24-30?!
Apparently, 30 is used by the NFL,
and 24 by Covid-free Australia….
They can and will then credit the vaccine/saline solution, of course.

237217 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 13, #972 of 2009 🔗

Two days after Biden’s victory and a vaccine suddenly turns up? How convenient!

237480 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #973 of 2009 🔗

He has NOT won yet.
Only the media has called him as the winner.
Legally, that’s just as relevant as me calling it.

238008 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jay Berger, #974 of 2009 🔗

The media has to get everyone thinking that Biden is the ‘winner’ and that the election is a done deal. That way, Trump’s legal challenge appears petulant and the act of a sore loser if it fails; if it succeeds, it delegitimises his claim to presidency by making out that he has blocked the ‘rightful heir’ through some sort of sleight of hand.

237219 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #975 of 2009 🔗

No expertise in this area at all, but I am right that the Pfizer vaccine with the supposed 90% protection is an mRNA vaccine.

If that’s so, presumably that’s quite scary if they try mass vaccination with such a vaccine, as I understand no gene based vaccine has ever been approved.

I know Sucharit Bhakti has massive concern about mRNA vaccines.

Can anyone with expertise comment?

237237 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #976 of 2009 🔗

It is unclear how they calculated this alleged 90% (last year the flu vaccine was 17% effective). Vaccines are normally given to prevent the disease. However recently they came out and stated that the vaccine would only reduce symptoms.

Why would anyone get a vaccine with a lot of side effects including disablement and death to reduce symptoms that could be very mild?

I won’t touch an RNA vaccine that instructs the DNA in your cells. It is unclear how this message will be relayed in your cells and the type of damage that could be done. You cannot detox this vaccine. Once it is in your body it is there forever and will continue instructing your DNA.

How will you prove in 10 years time that your auto immune disease or cancer is as a result of this vaccine?

237244 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Victoria, 1, #977 of 2009 🔗

And, in partial answer to your question, it sounds as if Pfizer are to get immunity {to legal challenges}!

237413 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Victoria, 2, #978 of 2009 🔗

Thanks for that. I’d completely agree with what you say.

They may be able to check the short term safety of any vaccination, although that’s assuming that trials extend to older more vulnerable people. But of course for say a 2021 vaccination they can’t check the long term safety until after mass vaccination occurs, and some adverse affects may never be spotted. And with a completely new type of vaccine, a gene based vaccine, these long term risks will be even more unknown.

Here is the brilliant video by Prof Sucharit Bhakdi which I watched some time ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uo2KGiSjrw

In relation to vaccination against SARS-CoV2 he says “My sincere request to the population is: that the population must claim their right to an open discourse”

I’m not an anti-vaxer generally, but can’t see the net benefit to anyone under about age 70 without co-morbidities being vaccinated because of the low risk covid-19 poses. Of course if clear information is provided of the benefits and risks (albeit I fear there won’t be open discourse) that should be each individual’s right to decide.

237451 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #979 of 2009 🔗

That is exactly the point and problem.
Unfortunately, the moment people accepted the theoretical computer model concept of ‘herd immunity’ unquestioned as a fact, rather than as what it really is, we were in trouble as such- see Profs Gatti, Montanari and RKjrs CHD.
The vaccination of people not at serious risk of a pathogen and disease relies and is based upon solely on the acceptance of that theoretical model ‘herd immunity’, for which no hard medical evidence exists, as a fact.

237443 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Victoria, 1, #980 of 2009 🔗

94 infected people out of 40.000 participants.
They don’t tell us how many of those were vaccinated and how many were not- we have no idea what that 90% figure means and what it is based upon.
They don’t tell us the make-up of the two groups, whether they are comparable or not, and how strong the symptons were in either- note, the vaccinated still caught the virus, they just had no/fewer symptoms than otherwise, allegedly/uncontrollably really.
We don’t know anything about the side effects after the second dose, we will obviously know nothing for years about the longterm side effects, we know that half the people who got the similar Oxford vaccine suffered from neutropenia.
John Rappoport and Doshi/Toblin in the NYT had good articles on the flawed
design of those trials and on the likely resulting outcomes.

237369 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #981 of 2009 🔗

The write up for the vaccine says;
How is the vaccine expected to work?
BNT162b2 is expected to work by preparing the body to defend itself against infection with the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. The virus uses proteins on its outer surface, called spike proteins, to enter the body’s cells and cause disease. BNT162b2 contains the genetic instructions (mRNA) for the spike protein and is covered in small fats (lipid particles) that prevent the mRNA from being degraded. When a person is given the vaccine, their cells will read the genetic instructions and produce the spike protein. The person’s immune system will then treat this protein as foreign and produce natural defenses — antibodies and T cells — against it. If, later on, the vaccinated person comes into contact with SARS-CoV-2, the immune system will recognize the virus and be prepared to attack it: antibodies and T cells can work together to kill the virus, prevent its entry into the body’s cells and destroy infected cells, thus helping to protect against COVID-19.

As I understand it this is different to the traditional vaccines which are inactivated virus, this is completely artificial and stimulates an immune response …………… hopefully!!!!!! I am worried that elderly vulnerable people may have an adverse response to this type of vaccine but I guess we will have to wait and see?

237476 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #982 of 2009 🔗

I would be more and most concerned about the effect these vaccines have on the young, on their reproductive capabilities and the damages they might create in their offspring.
The truth is, we have no way of getting to know that for decades.
As such, the chances are currently and over the bext decade+ an equal 33% for a positive (all offspring supermen/women), neutral and negative (infertile, all/many still-
born, all/many Down syndrome
etc.) outcome.
It could also be that only alike or only not alike vaccinated people c/should reproduce- we have no idea and no.othercway to find out than by letting it happen.
It doesn’t strike me as a good bet to take for them, in particular as they are not at risk of the pathogen and disease at all.

237222 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 12, #983 of 2009 🔗

How can the vaccine have arrived 48 hours after Trump is gone ? Am alone in thinking something seems off on the timing. Although no doubt good news.

237229 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Leemc23, 5, #984 of 2009 🔗

Yep – my thoughts within seconds of hearing the news!
{Not, of course, that Trump has yet gone – or even heard the provisional results pending legal challenges a-plenty!}

237232 ▶▶ Cane Corso, replying to Leemc23, 7, #985 of 2009 🔗

We’ll drink a drink, a drink
To Lily the Pink, the Pink, the Pink
The savior of the human race
For she invented medicinal compound
Most efficacious in every case

237240 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Leemc23, 6, #986 of 2009 🔗

Trump’s not gone. he’s president until January 2020 regardless.

Now in the hands of the courts so it will drag out until December 14th at the latest which is when it MUST be decided upon.

There is still the option of using the 14th Amendment when evidence of the vote rigging becomes official on top of the upcoming court challenges.

Have a look here at some of the videos:

http://82.221.129.208/.va3.html – really good stuff on vote rigging

Use a VPN, if the blurb at the top somewhere does not give start “computer donations” delete everything after the 8 and hit enter

237260 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #987 of 2009 🔗

Trump’s not gone. he’s president until January 2020 regardless

Why we are going to be locked down until march!!!

237262 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 4, #988 of 2009 🔗

Good news? Not sure about that. Myself and my loved ones will resist taking it as I do not trust the safety and it may do more harm than good. We may be coerced, but even if not I would not want people to be conned into having it on the false assumption we face a deadly threat.

237272 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Leemc23, 1, #989 of 2009 🔗

just so convenient and suspicious methinks, President Elect Biden = the Pied Piper.

237309 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Leemc23, 5, #990 of 2009 🔗

How can it be good news for us? Most of us here agree it’s unnecessary in line with Dr Mike Yeadon.

It will mean social exclusion for the rebels who refuse a Health Passport. We will have to ‘Stay home, Stay Safe’ for the foreseeable future.

237417 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Leemc23, 1, #991 of 2009 🔗

Not sure why you think it’s good news?

237225 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #992 of 2009 🔗

Shouldn’t we have the Liverpool test results by now? I thought they gave a result in 10 seconds flat or something like that. So how many people “tested positive”?

237226 ▶▶ IanE, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #993 of 2009 🔗

How many would you like sir?

237227 karenovirus, 6, #994 of 2009 🔗

Independent Art Cinema changeable text sign that usually lists the films on offer reads

“So long
and thanks
for all the
fish”

237228 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #995 of 2009 🔗

Interesting data from the vaccine trial.

Over 43,000 people were on the trial, half of which received a placebo. Out of 43,358 people only 94 have develop Covid symptoms, 85 of which received a placebo.

Which means that over the time of the trial (about 2 months) the symptomatic infection ratio has been 0.4% even in those receiving the placebo.

237235 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #996 of 2009 🔗

I don’t trust any of these numbers, and strongly suspect that these trials are a sham.

237241 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #997 of 2009 🔗

So what vaccine were they using for the placebo which triggered the CONVID symptoms?

237339 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mike, #998 of 2009 🔗

i recall a few weeks ago the “doctor” on the Kyle tv show saying she was on one of the trials (i think the oxford) and saying the placebo was a meningitis vaccine

237246 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, #999 of 2009 🔗

So, we already have a vaccine eh.?

Two items:

One year ago nobody had heard of covid-19.

This is apparently the first case ever of a vaccine against a coronavirus.

..and this vaccine is late to the party – Russia and China have each got a vaccine already.

I

237305 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1000 of 2009 🔗

It’s very poor evidence on which to proclaim success. The numbers are far too small.

237310 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1001 of 2009 🔗

Also what about all those pesky asymptomatics who are supposedly driving the epidemic and slaughtering grannies in their thousands?

237242 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #1002 of 2009 🔗

On my news website: “Although this new vaccine is 90% effective, etc,etc,etc, it looks like masks and social distancing will be with us for some time yet”: WHY????

237255 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1003 of 2009 🔗

Because this is about control, not health.

The vaccine will either be a placebo or something much, much more sinister. Either way, it will make no difference to the occurrence of respiratory diseases, so all the regulations we have lived under in 2020 are here to stay, indefinitely.

237256 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1004 of 2009 🔗

All part of the agenda to control us and take our rights. Majority of people are to dim to realise. This is normal, plebs don’t know it.

Covid and the vaccine is a Trojan horse.

237276 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1005 of 2009 🔗

It won’t be widely available until Q2/Q3 next year, by which time, if we keep circulating and infecting each other, there will be no need for it. Cue, dollar and pound note signs flash past Big Pharma on the way to the drain.

237302 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1006 of 2009 🔗

Here’s hoping…

237388 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1007 of 2009 🔗

Because it’s going to take about a million years to get everybidy jabbed, three times over. By which time the virus will have passed to earthworms, cabbages, giraffes, goldfish and garden gnomes and will have mutated off the end of the scale.
Anyway, zombies like having no faces.

237243 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1008 of 2009 🔗

Just seen this in the Spectator daily COVID update:

“GCHQ is launching an offensive cyber-operation to counter online anti-vaccine propaganda spread by hostile actors. Russia has so far been linked to widespread proliferation of disinformation.”

237271 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1009 of 2009 🔗

‘hostile actors’?

Mel Gibson?

237281 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to calchas, 1, #1010 of 2009 🔗

And, of course, George Looney.

237311 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1011 of 2009 🔗

So anyone who is anti-vaccine is automatically pro-Russian.

237328 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bugle, 5, #1012 of 2009 🔗

This was the constant refrain against Brexit voters. For a while there were hundreds of trolls on the Daily Telegraph comments pages all saying the same thing. On this they were transparent to most readers but….. BUT

when these same trolls used the same ‘funded by the Russians Rosie?’ taunts on the subject of vaccination or ‘climate change’, then many readers joined in with the trolls ….. blind to being manipulated. Depressing.

237917 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bugle, 1, #1013 of 2009 🔗

President Putin, I hereby invite you to become the President of the U.K. Please stop this insanity and bring your anti-vax views with you.

237248 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #1014 of 2009 🔗

The average age of the coronavirus deaths is over eighty. Life expectancy is under eighty. The virus is having zero effect on mortality. In order to deal with this threat, the government has violated our rights, decimated the economy and instituted government by ministerial decree.

237261 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1015 of 2009 🔗

Ivor Cummings mentioned a study outlining the cost vs effectiveness any vaccine could have. Based on NICE methodology. It showed that this was massively outside the realms of what would be a good investment of public money.

Anyone have a link to this?

237280 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1016 of 2009 🔗

Yes, but they have had a whale of a time, so it’s all good.

237251 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #1017 of 2009 🔗

Bunter’s script for the 5 pm press conference:

“These two here admit they gave me wrong information, and I shouldn’t have imposed another lock down. I’ve seen over the weekend just how much people don’t want it, so I am cancelling it right now”.

Or something.

237259 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #1018 of 2009 🔗

Vaccine vaccine vaccine vaccine vaccine vaccine “.

237298 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, 6, #1019 of 2009 🔗

Yep. He will trumpet its success based on 94 cases in healthy young people. Does he never learn?

237264 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1020 of 2009 🔗

Nah, dodgy graphs showing the flattening but a predicted acceleration that the lockdown will stop thus saving the NHS

237266 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #1021 of 2009 🔗

Be nice wouldn’t it or “these 2 sacked, SAGE disbanded, me and handwank resign with immediate effect, all coronavirus legislation revoked back to normal everyone”

But more likely “lies,lies data, lockdown forever, your own fault, vaccine vaccine NHS NHS heroes vaccines forever”

237279 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1022 of 2009 🔗

Ahhhh! I liked your first paragraph though, bigly!

237275 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1023 of 2009 🔗

“… and I offer my resignation, with immediate effect”

237326 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, #1024 of 2009 🔗

Sorry, didn’t see AG’s post earlier …

237341 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to kh1485, 4, #1025 of 2009 🔗

I will therefore preform a sepuku on the garden lawn as I cannot live with this shame anymore. Please forgive me, only blood can wash what I have done to this country”

237419 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Thomas_E, #1026 of 2009 🔗

Please God , make that happen.

237253 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #1027 of 2009 🔗

Apologies for all the capital letters —


1. 2020 PENTAGON STUDY: FLU VACCINES INCREASE RISK OF CORONAVIRUS BY 36%

2. 2018 CDC STUDY: FLU SHOTS INCREASE RISK OF NON-FLU ACUTE RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES (ARI) IN CHILDREN.

3. 2011 AUSTRALIAN STUDY: FLU SHOT DOUBLED RISK OF NON-INFLUENZA VIRAL INFECTIONS AND INCREASED FLU RISK BY 73%.

4. 2012 HONG KONG STUDY: FLU SHOTS INCREASED THE RISK OF NON-FLU RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS 4.4 TIMES AND TRIPLED FLU INFECTIONS.

5. 2017 STUDY: VACCINATED CHILDREN ARE 5.9 MORE LIKELY TO SUFFER PNEUMONIA AND 30.1 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ALLERGIC RHINITIS THAN UNVACCINATED CHILDREN.

6. 2014 STUDY: INFLUENZA-VACCINATED CHILDREN WERE 1.6 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN UNVACCINATED CHILDREN TO HAVE A NON-INFLUENZA “INFLUENZA-LIKE-ILLNESS” (ILI). .

childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccine-misinformation-flu-shots-equal.. (2020) The influenza vaccine in children increased the risk of acute respiratory infections caused by a group of viruses other than influenza, including coronaviruses, five times. Figures from the European Union show a correlation between influenza vaccine and coronavirus deaths. The countries with the highest death rates – Belgium, Spain, Italy, the UK, France, the Netherlands, Sweden, Ireland and the US – had vaccinated at least half of their elderly population against influenza. childrenshealthdefense.org/news/is-there-a-relationship-between-influe.. (2020)

237274 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, -4, #1028 of 2009 🔗

Look out the window Victoria. See that tiny motionless thing in the sky to the North ? That’s a GCHQ drone, that is.

🙂

237278 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 3, #1029 of 2009 🔗

South Korea recently suspended its flu vaccine programme after dozens of deaths. The BBC reported this as: deaths not linked to flu vaccine. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-54655278

237299 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Victoria, 4, #1030 of 2009 🔗

It’s a phenomenon known as viral interference. Ditto for bacterial interference… Incidentally, the drive to eliminate all bacteria is actually harmful because there are bacteria that are symbiotic with humans and those bacteria actually have evolved to secrete substances that are poisonous to bacteria that are harmful to humans… but that’s another story…

237258 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 9, #1031 of 2009 🔗

The primary school 50 yards down the road from me has been sane up to now. But they’ve lost the plot today. It seems parents are having to queue up suitably distanced and bemasked all down the street and round the corner to individually collect their little ones. Bonkers.
And once they’ve picked up their children the parents are all bunching up, strolling and chatting as normal. So why obey the school’s edict in the first place? Double-bonkers.

237282 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 13, #1032 of 2009 🔗

My kids school tried to introduce this on Monday last week.

Well, its been largely ignored except by around 10%. I have my exemption card in my pocket and look forward to being challenged.

The most annoying thing is my daughter – 4yr old – has been already annoyed with me for not wearing a mask as is the propaganda. But she now knows more about personal choice than before. That life lesson will never be reiterated enough.

Get yourself an exemption card on Etsy and fight back.

237338 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 22, #1033 of 2009 🔗

Hello, same thing at my daughters school. The Headmistress saw me picking her up without a mask and asked me why I don’t’ have one on. t told her I’m exempt and just turned around. I also explained to my daughter that people wearing masks are silly , and don’t know what they are doing. She is 6 but very matured and a bit of rebel (like her dad) . Just waiting for the phone to ring when she tells a teacher they are silly to wear a mask…hahaha…fuck them

237472 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1034 of 2009 🔗

I saw what must have been a 3 year old with his mother go into Tesco muzzled up the other day.

I nearly cried. That poor kid. Pure child abuse.

237283 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 17, #1035 of 2009 🔗

If they are “suitably distanced” what is the point of the masks; if they are masked, what is the need for social distancing?

237323 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1036 of 2009 🔗

Exactly! It’s all of a piece with the unscientific (or anti-scientific) quasi-mediaeval panic. It seems our society has just regressed 600 or 700 years in 6 or 7 months.

237334 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1037 of 2009 🔗

Back in 1347 a novel disease arrived in Europe. It was terrible, with death rates up to ninety percent. There was fear and panic. The king of France called upon Europe’s most learned experts to study the disease and find solutions. The experts found that washing made one susceptible and they recommended people not wash. As a result, the people of Europe avoided washing like the plague for centuries.

237294 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1038 of 2009 🔗

Says it all.

237320 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 7, #1039 of 2009 🔗

Many reports over the last few days of schools extending the ‘rules’.

Note that this is a classic Common Purpose strategy, motto: Leading beyond authority .

Parent should challenge.

237998 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Rosie, #1040 of 2009 🔗

Everybody’s at it. The classic one was the idea that exercise was only permitted for one hour per day during lockdown 1, which was never the case, yet almost everybody believed it.

237342 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1041 of 2009 🔗

not a single mask at our primary school.

237788 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1042 of 2009 🔗

Witnessed it today at one of my local schools. But most parents were in the queue without masks, I think only the American parents (we have a large airforce base here). It was all down the street, and I was shocked even round the corner and along the next street!
I asked how long does it take, and was told once the queue moves it is not long, and yes, just then they moved and most disappeared round the corner within 30seconds.

237267 davews, replying to davews, 15, #1043 of 2009 🔗

Just been down to my local pharmacy to collect my blood pressure tablets (really need those at the moment hi…). They have a two in store at a time policy. While waiting the chap in front was trying to collect his asthma inhaler which he had ordered a week ago from his GP – he was unmasked for very clear reasons. It hadn’t arrived, he had already spent lots of time hanging on the phone to the GP trying to get it sorted. He ended up with an emergency issue one, which it seems to be a way out of this dilemma, but the pharmacist commented they had exactly the same problems trying to get through to surgeries on the phone.

Fortunately my own pills were waiting for me.

237273 ▶▶ IanE, replying to davews, 1, #1044 of 2009 🔗

Yes – but don’t let the authorities know that you have been here!

237297 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to davews, 2, #1045 of 2009 🔗

High blood pressure becomes worse when people are chronically dehydrated

237400 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to davews, 2, #1046 of 2009 🔗

Yes emergency supply used to be 5 days supply only but was increased to 30 days during the swine flu panic demic. You don’t normally give emergency supply when the dr is open but obviously the dr is technically open at the moment but not really open. I hate the way wankcock lauds pharmacy when he/government has decimated it through margin cutting for the last 20 years.

237268 Pum100, replying to Pum100, 26, #1047 of 2009 🔗

Just when I thought things couldn’t get worse, I hear Brian Blessed has written and narrated an audio book titled “Wear a Bloody Mask”.

Apparently, “.. the story aims to share a public health message with adults about the importance of wearing face coverings in order to stop the spread of coronavirus.”.

This has really depressed me for so many reasons.

237270 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Pum100, 7, #1048 of 2009 🔗

He’s always been involved in fictitious works of art, though, hasn’t he ?

237291 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Pum100, 9, #1049 of 2009 🔗

Do you think Brian has read the research literature on face masks and respiratory viral infections?

237312 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Pum100, 5, #1050 of 2009 🔗

What a waste of that voice

237315 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1051 of 2009 🔗

Alexander Armstrong does a brilliant impression of BB though.

237317 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Pum100, 1, #1052 of 2009 🔗

Yes, it’s bloody nauseating.

237329 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tenchy, 1, #1053 of 2009 🔗

Like I say, a brilliant impression.
Brian Blessed like Cilla Black and Esther Ranson has become a caricature of himself.

237327 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Pum100, 6, #1054 of 2009 🔗

”Flash Gooooordon!!” Oh fuck off you twat.

237336 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1055 of 2009 🔗

Gordon’s aliiivvvve

237986 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, #1056 of 2009 🔗

‘…and if you want to keep him that way, wear a bloody mask!’

(‘Was I alright darling?’)

237345 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Pum100, 2, #1057 of 2009 🔗

is Gordon still alive ? or has he succumbed to covid ?

237353 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Pum100, 1, #1058 of 2009 🔗

I wonder if the engineer asked him to remove it while recording? 🙂

237365 ▶▶ annie, replying to Pum100, 8, #1059 of 2009 🔗

Let’s co-write one called Why you should not wear a bloody mask.

237909 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to annie, #1060 of 2009 🔗

I’m in!

237445 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Pum100, 7, #1061 of 2009 🔗

I don’t think I’m ever going to fully recover from the last few months. I still cannot believe people are happy to stick a cloth over their faces.

If I ask why they think masks aren’t routinely prescribed in winter months against flu no one knows. If I mention how minuscule the droplets are they go blank.
The willingness to follow this nonsense is unnerving. I’m starting to unravel myself.

237990 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Marialta, 1, #1062 of 2009 🔗

Hi Marialta. If it’s any consolation I felt the same way myself last week – felt the foundations of my sanity shifting slightly. I took a few days off from reading the news and coming on sites like this. I recommend it – you need time off from this sort of thing. After a couple of days you will feel better.

237452 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Pum100, #1063 of 2009 🔗

I actually laughed at this, the mask cult’s nearing self parody now…

237269 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #1064 of 2009 🔗

My brother in law who has been tested positive for CV and is “OK” just told my wife that everyday the “authorities” ring him up,sometimes up to 3 times a day, each lasting around 30 minutes asking the same questions over and over again; who have you been in contact with, blah,blah,blah.
Anybody would think that they have nothing better to do, wouldn’t they?

237290 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1065 of 2009 🔗

Right when the whole stalk-and-trace started, I said that STI clinics can barely trace all infections, yet some cretin thinks they could do it on a large scale with, what effectively is, ‘flu…

237293 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1066 of 2009 🔗

That is totally overkill – maybe they are trying to make up the numbers.

Not sure why he continue to answer the phone though?

237303 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Victoria, 4, #1067 of 2009 🔗

The “authorities” would send the “heavy boys and girls” round (We know where you live)
NOT JOKING!!

237301 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1068 of 2009 🔗

Imagine being pretty ill, but not in hospital, and having to deal with that shite? You’re running a temperature, aching all over, coughing and some jobsworth wants to take up 30 minutes of your time to interrogate you over the phone.

237304 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark H, 1, #1069 of 2009 🔗

What more can you say?

237330 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark H, 2, #1070 of 2009 🔗

Good point but TBF if people were that ill they wouldn’t be able to travel to a test centre to get a test in the first place.

237316 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1071 of 2009 🔗

Toby wrote a piece explaining how this works from an insider. It was about 3 weeks ago.

237331 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Rosie, #1072 of 2009 🔗

I’ll check it out.

237382 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1073 of 2009 🔗

And they wonder why people aren’t rushing to tell Big Brother that they just coughed…

237402 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1074 of 2009 🔗

All that and “brain fog” is apparently a symptom.

237907 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1075 of 2009 🔗

Tell him to just put the phone down!

237286 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #1076 of 2009 🔗

I think the thinking of a large proportion of people goes like this:

  1. There is a pandemic.
  2. We therefore nedd to distance, wear a mask until there’s a vaccine
  3. When the vaccine arrives we go back to normal.
237287 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 19, #1077 of 2009 🔗

All three of the above points are diametrically opposed to the truth.

Thereby ending Western civilisation.

237300 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 7, #1078 of 2009 🔗

Yes.

Bullshit wrapped inside bollocks, wrapped inside a second layer of bullshit.

237325 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to calchas, 1, #1079 of 2009 🔗

Well, it’s the info everyone has been fed for 8 months, so stands to reason that it is what most will believe.

237289 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 4, #1080 of 2009 🔗

I agree

If/when that doesn’t happen, many will be very disappointed

237322 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Julian, 1, #1081 of 2009 🔗

I can’t wait to see the looks on their faces….

237337 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1082 of 2009 🔗

Those bovine, zombie black holes will be just that little bit more dead than usual.

237295 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 1, #1083 of 2009 🔗

“Thinking”

237296 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to calchas, 4, #1084 of 2009 🔗

That’s it. Vaccines are magic and Bunter and his London Pals won’t want to hold on to total rule by fear for a minute longer. Huzzah!

237332 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to calchas, 5, #1085 of 2009 🔗

With a “vaccine” it’s over. Not even a virtue signalling population can carry this bollocks on with a vaccine.

237340 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1086 of 2009 🔗

Until they are told that another vaccine will be needed due to viral mutations. And then another 6 months after that. And so on indefinitely.

237387 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 3, #1087 of 2009 🔗

Either that or it’ll be “to stop the next pandemic”.

237427 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Richard O, 1, #1088 of 2009 🔗

Boosters were always on the cards. Once the money starts rolling in you bet it will be a yearly dose.

237431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Marialta, #1089 of 2009 🔗

Correct!

237771 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, 1, #1090 of 2009 🔗

I have just listened to the German excellent Corona ausschuss, a report from Holland. The government there are now going crazy, people very compliant. The speaker said exactly what you said, this is the common thinking.

But Reiner Fuellmilch also said it very well, the “idea” that this whole situation is about something bigger is just too scary for most people.

237288 Sam Vimes, 5, #1091 of 2009 🔗

Going back a bit, when LD2 wasn’t being (officially) talked about, didn’t they advertise for someone to present press briefings “over the winter”?

237313 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #1092 of 2009 🔗

So many people including the police do not know the current rules on Covid. The police are embarrassing.

237319 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1093 of 2009 🔗

the police don’t know the rules at the best of times what chance have they got with COVID.

237360 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1094 of 2009 🔗

Exactly, the barrister who all the stars use for their driving infringements has an almost 100% record of getting them off, even when they are likely guilty. He points to inconsistencies between policemen, their statement in court/witness statement vs their log book, chewing gum in court then saying they are not when asked.

237314 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 4, #1095 of 2009 🔗

90% effective? 100% on corpses.

237318 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Stuart, 5, #1096 of 2009 🔗

90% effective for a viral disease that has a 99.9+% survival rate. So taking it reduces natural immunity.

237324 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1097 of 2009 🔗

Italy needs a second lockdown!!
Just as stupid as we are here then.

237344 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #1098 of 2009 🔗

“It is difficult being a ruler today.

We at Genocide Incorporated have just the product that you as a harassed President or Prime Minister need.

Are your plebs starting to smile too much?

Are their awful children playing out enjoying themselves?

Is the economy refusing to collape as quickly as you would like?

Is informal society obstinately continuing, allowing your proles a modicum of joy?

You need Lockdown 2.0.

9 out of 10 despots say thy prefer Lockdown 2.0 for managing their serfs.”

237356 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1099 of 2009 🔗

No,just following the plan like us

237358 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1100 of 2009 🔗

Must have been ‘bounced’ into it.

237333 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 47, #1101 of 2009 🔗

Important message! Do not suffer in isolation. The law provides that you CAN SEE PEOPLE if you have a “reasonable excuse”. What could be a more reasonable excuse than you need mental health support (and you feel it would be better to see your mum/friends/siblings/grandkids than put PRESSURE ON THE NHS. Do it! Do you think there is a judge in this land who would rule this unreasonable?! Do not live in fear! Go out with your face showing, your head held high and meet people for support. Your life matters!

237348 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 25, #1102 of 2009 🔗

The whole thing is voluntary, and has been throughout. If people ignore the stupid rules, it will collapse like a house of cards in a hurricane.

237362 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #1103 of 2009 🔗

Thanks for pointing this out. Just going to get on the phone to invite a friend round- lonliness and isolation kills.

237374 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #1104 of 2009 🔗

The law also allows one to go out for exercise. There are no time or frequency limits. Walking is exercise. So, one can go wherever one wants, whenever one wants, completely lawfully, as long as one walks there.

237383 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #1105 of 2009 🔗

And one may drive the location one wishes to walk around. Mockdown.

This is just a business killer.

237426 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #1106 of 2009 🔗

Correct.

All these rules remind of a novel by Hans Helmut Krist called Party Games . The hero joins the local Nazi party and enthusiastically interprets all the rules in a manner that appears to be completely ideologically sound but inevitably has the effect of disrupting everything and exposing Nazism to ridicule.

All it takes is a little imaginative interpretation.

237380 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 30, #1107 of 2009 🔗

I just stuck my neck out at work a bit. We just had a team retrospective. (The team I work with are totally brilliant people by the way).

I put up a “card” on the (virtual) board that went along the lines of “My mental health has taken a battering over the last few weeks. Not much seems to make sense any more and it has started to effect my work. Sorry if this is the wrong time or place to mention it”

This was received brilliantly. As a contractor, I thought this would be a “red flag” and I’d be “marched off of the premises” by now, but many people agreed that what is happening makes no sense and they are all struggling in their own little way. They thanked me for raising it as a point of discussion.

After mentioning a few things (like the fact that children’s clothes were not essential items together with women’s sanitary products in Wales), a few eyebrows were raised.

I went on to say that I wanted my liberties back. No one disagreed, no one said “we must wait for a vaccine”, the people who did speak echoed many concerns that I have.

I felt less alone among my colleagues after having this chat.

237421 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #1108 of 2009 🔗

Well done, CBH. 🙂

237335 Brian Bond, replying to Brian Bond, 12, #1109 of 2009 🔗

Just a small point regarding the “graph of doom”, which is rightly referenced again today. The “not a prediction” prediction of 50,000 cases actually only applied to the count of October 13th: ie they took the count of Tuesday September 15th, and doubled it each week for 4 weeks, so…

3,105 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2= 49,680

…however, we are (tomorrow) another 4 weeks on from Oct 13, so their (“not a”) prediction is that tomorrow’s “case” count – unmitigated – would be (… drum roll ..)

794,880!

So, miracle upon miracle, lockdown 2.0 is responsible for a saving of over 770,000 cases a day – well, it must be LD2, since the “veil of tiers” was presumed not to be working, was it not?

Furthermore, using the Chuckle Brothers’ assumed IFR of 0.7%, we should already be seeing over 5,000 deaths per day too.

Praise be … we are saved!

237367 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Brian Bond, 1, #1110 of 2009 🔗

Hallelujah!

237347 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 35, #1111 of 2009 🔗

My university has had its library open since September which has been great for me because it’s given me an opportunity to leave the house and at least feel like I’m attending campus. Up until Thursday masks were not required when sat down. Had a rude awakening today when someone (could not tell if they were student or staff) tapped on my table and said “from last Thursday you need to wear a mask in the library at all times. It is to keep us all safe”.

I was the only one on that level at the time. This person was so willing to seek out the only person in the library potentially “exposing himself to such a terrifyingly dangerous virus” to chastise me completely unnecessarily.

I took a sip of my water, told him I was drinking and said I’d like to return to my work. I’m grateful I can still go to campus but the experience is completely hollow. Nobody dares speak to eachother anymore in fear of being reported. Going to the library is actually quite an enjoyable experience when you have friends to go with but they check on the door that you aren’t entering in groups. I’d prefer it closed to what it is in it’s current lockdown 2 state.

237351 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ricky R, 7, #1112 of 2009 🔗

Why not just say: “I am exempt”?

237363 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #1113 of 2009 🔗

I personally don’t like claiming exemption because I believe it makes the mask fanatics less tolerant to those with actual exemptions. I’d rather let those with exemptions use it when they are challenged because when a person like me claims exemptions it pisses the masker off and makes them less receptive to people claiming a real exemption in the future. My go to is taking an open bottle of water which I sip very, very slowly and this means I’m barely ever challenged because apparently, viruses don’t spread when you need to eat or drink.

237364 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ricky R, 12, #1114 of 2009 🔗

I suspect your mass psychology insight may be flawed. There would be far more tolerance of people not wearing masks if they were more people not wearing them.

237386 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1115 of 2009 🔗

I am open to disagreement, my approach is just a personal thing that I’ve gathered from talking to acquaintances who are very pro-mask. When they see somebody without a mask they get irrationally angry because of the constant bombardment of propaganda they hear daily saying masks work. The best way I found to undo that was to argue them into a corner using the actual evidence we know about masks to make them question what they’ve heard in the news. Can’t be asked to do that with complete strangers though

237404 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1116 of 2009 🔗

Can’t be asked to do that with complete strangers though

Which is why one just says, “I am exempt.” Once said, end eye contact. End of conversation.

237482 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1117 of 2009 🔗

Of course – even before you get to the mask issue, there is the fundamental question :

“What the f. do you think you’re being protected from?”

… given the vanishingly low threat of SARS-CoV-2

237381 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky R, 9, #1118 of 2009 🔗

Fuck the fanatics, hatred and contempt is all they deserve.

237393 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Ricky R, 11, #1119 of 2009 🔗

everyone can be exempt. the guidelines are vague so you can be as exempt as the most exempt of them. If masks distress you (it sounds as if they do from what you’ve said?) then you are exempt.

237414 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ricky R, 6, #1120 of 2009 🔗

I disagree, I have a real hatred for the masks. They are based on awful evidence and some common sense arguments which don’t stand up to any empirical evidence.

So, for the good of my own mental health – I am exempt.

You should too. This is is simplest thing you can do, one challenge and you’ll then know there is no going back. You’ll know the feeling that you have stood your ground and will continue to do so as is your right.

You do not need to have asthma, COPD, whatever. You are exempt because you value your rational thinking and a lack of oxygen will impact that.

237444 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Ricky R, 5, #1121 of 2009 🔗

The bottle of water idea is very good. Cheers for that.

As soon as I get my snood, I’ll be starting a poster campaign. Next to the ‘Please wear a mask’ posters displayed at think pretty much all local supermarkets, I’ll post a small ‘Please don’t wear a mask’ response. I’ll probably do this after 11:00p.m. The text of the response will be:

“Please do not wear a mask.

1)     Wearing a mask does nothing to protect me or others around me.

2)     Wearing a mask signals that I am OK with government by diktat.

3)     Government by diktat, which is responsible for the wear-a-mask requirement, is also responsible for untold suffering and for many thousands of preventable deaths.

The diktats which closed the NHS to pretty much all but Covid19 patients and which continue to reduce its capacity are responsible for this.

4)     I do not support this and do not want it to continue,

5)     So I will not wear a mask.”

Further suggestions or criticism would be very welcome.

237967 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Adam, #1122 of 2009 🔗

Good idea but points 2-5 will not be understood by the general public. It would be better to mention how masks cause diseases to spread more easily by trapping germs around your face etc.

238054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1123 of 2009 🔗

Like wearing a mask reduces oxygen to your brain.

238285 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Cranmer, #1124 of 2009 🔗

Thanks. Yes. It needs more work so that it will be easy to understand. The argument shouldn’t be that difficult, but I’m finding it hard to make it concise.

It’s a would-be counter to the by now standard (it’s possibly a variety of Kafka trap) “You have a moral obligation to wear a mask to protect other people” .

“No. I have a moral obligation NOT to wear a mask to oppose regulations which have resulted in thousands of preventable deaths.”

I do feel strongly that I am under a moral obligation not to wear a mask: to show that I do not support these malignant policies.

This does make shopping quite tricky.

Wearer-centered reasons for not wearing – germ trap, skin rashes, marginal oxygen depletion, increased production of aerosol – are believable and perhaps fairly well established. But I’d say they’re not not coming at this from the angle required.

The angle I’m hoping to find is one that persuades, in a quick easy-to-understand way, that the moral imperative NOT to wear a mask is stronger than any seeming imperative to wear one.

The culture of masks is killing people. Indirectly, admittedly. But it IS killing people. Go along to get along? No! No mask! I do not have a mask, and although I could probably arrange to cover my face, I will not be intimidated into signalling support for regulations I despise.

238049 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ricky R, #1125 of 2009 🔗

But you have an actual exemption as allowed by law. Wearing the mask clearly causes you distress. Use your exemption.

237352 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ricky R, 20, #1126 of 2009 🔗

Nobody dares speak to each other anymore in fear of being reported.

Which tells me that the transition into a totalitarian state is all but complete amongst the student age group.

237355 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 2, #1127 of 2009 🔗

Yes – much better to communicate ‘safely’ using a smartphone.

237368 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 5, #1128 of 2009 🔗

When all your data will be safely collected, monitored and stored.

237395 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Richard O, 15, #1129 of 2009 🔗

Who knew a generation raised under the influence of social media would be so easily controlled by social media during a manufactured crisis.

237469 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1130 of 2009 🔗

Good point – certainly blows out of the water any notion of the democratisation of information.

237375 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky R, 10, #1131 of 2009 🔗

Universities are the absolute worst. Bloody churches of covidianism, haven’t bothered with my campus since it re-opened and never will again. Bombing would be too nice for that wretched shithole.

237379 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ricky R, 5, #1132 of 2009 🔗

Tell him to piss off and stay indoors if he wants to keep safe.

237453 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1133 of 2009 🔗

Going to the library is actually quite an enjoyable experience

Really? Seems to me that the reason for libraries disappeared when the internet came in. I always hated going to the library – it was a physical manifestation of everything I didn’t know! And you couldn’t talk to anyone else, and they always looked as though they were working hard, whereas I just wanted to go to the bar.

237535 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1134 of 2009 🔗

Even if you didn’t need the books, my campus library was once a nice quiet environment to do work in. One floor was a very good space for meeting other people. Now as with everything else university related, it’s a despicable, hellish shrine to all the great anti-covid arse carrots.

237563 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #1135 of 2009 🔗

In normal times going to the library can be a social experience. You go with friends, there are areas you can sit where you can talk normally. I do a degree heavily focused on debate and argument so going with coursemates can be quite rewarding academically. I have never once taken a book from said library because its all online, but the study space is great if you need an escape from your house/have noisy housemates or you just need a change of environment to help focus.

The uni library is a social hub. You see people you know, run into people etc. No space for that in the new normal. All group tables removed, massive gaps between tables etc. The enjoyable social aspects of using the library have been taken away for “safety” and mandatory face masks at all times is the final nail in the coffin.

237624 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Ricky R, #1136 of 2009 🔗

That’s interesting – our uni has had mandatory masks since reopening in August as well as mandatory T&T (which I have ignored).

238292 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Ricky R, #1137 of 2009 🔗

Excepting the nicely ironic “exposing himself to such a terrifyingly dangerous virus”, would you be prepared to explain why you do not mask? I’ve tried to give my own reasons below, but they’re not quite punchy enough. 

237349 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1138 of 2009 🔗

Did Bozo decide that we were going to have to suffer regular ‘briefings’ again come what may, or is today’s scheduled scarefest likely to involve any sort of announcement?

237366 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 15, #1139 of 2009 🔗

The briefings will continue until morale improves.

237411 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 2, #1140 of 2009 🔗

As I feared.

237473 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 3, #1141 of 2009 🔗

I see what you did there. 😉

237359 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 36, #1142 of 2009 🔗

Am I right in thinking that the vaccine is less efficacious than my own immune system? 90% vs 99.8%?

237373 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #1143 of 2009 🔗

Yep

..and 90% is impossible

237370 Paul, replying to Paul, 23, #1144 of 2009 🔗

For the last five or so days I have avoided going anywhere that I might encounter masked ghouls and doing that and reading the posts on here about lockdown defiance around the nation has made me feel a lot better and certainly more hopeful,well until this afternoon anyway.
I had to venture into my town centre to collect some medication from the pharmacy.After my experiences today I wish to nominate my town,Grantham Lincolnshire,as the potential ‘bedwetting’ (sorry,I can’t think of a more apt word) capital of England.
Apart from a handful of shop staff my wife and I were the only unmuzzled in every shop we went in,plenty of face nappies and visors out on the streets too,extreme hand sanitising in evidence everywhere.
The best was what I witnessed in WH Smith,a young couple was hanging around the passport photo machine so a member of staff went and asked them if there was a problem.A problem ?,you bet there was a problem.The couple weren’t happy touching the buttons on the photo machine until the staff member had wiped them with sanitiser !,she also had to sanitise the shop door handle for them.

237384 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, 9, #1145 of 2009 🔗

A young woman drove past in a little blue car with some bastard blue gloves on earlier.

237422 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1146 of 2009 🔗

Ah yes,the magic blue gloves.In the summer I saw a woman with visor,muzzle and blue gloves that went above her elbows and she looked at me,without a muzzle,as if I had a problem

237505 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1147 of 2009 🔗

She probably bought the car to match the gloves

237420 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Paul, 5, #1148 of 2009 🔗

These type of people are beyond help, in my opinion they don’t deserve pity but derision.

237893 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Paul, #1149 of 2009 🔗

Have faith, by Friday people will have had enough!

237372 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #1150 of 2009 🔗

Starmer is getting more ridiculous by the moment

237377 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 3, #1151 of 2009 🔗

Do you think parliament has been replaced by a bunch of stand up comedians?

237430 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1152 of 2009 🔗

BBC approved comedians .. i.e. not funny ones

237390 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 17, #1153 of 2009 🔗

Right that’s IT!

237397 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1154 of 2009 🔗

Bloody hilarious

237455 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1155 of 2009 🔗

You can just see him doing the tongue action against his cheek!!! 🔔 🔚

237890 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Chris John, #1156 of 2009 🔗

Stop it Chris. I nearly suffered involuntarily hospitalization because I split my sides laughing! Never mind, I guess I just would have been another Covid death!

238040 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1157 of 2009 🔗

Me too!!!

237438 ▶▶ Will, replying to Victoria, 3, #1158 of 2009 🔗

He really is a fucking tool.

237463 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Victoria, #1159 of 2009 🔗

Do they still have lock ins at the Parliament bars.

237385 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 11, #1160 of 2009 🔗

Revealed: How thousands of patients died of coronavirus they caught in hospitals

So let me get this straight. Hospitals, with their infection control departments, mandatory wearing of PPE, including surgical masks, are seeing infections being transmitted within the Hospital setting? That defies all of their retarded logic. I can’t even……

237399 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to GuyRich, 4, #1161 of 2009 🔗

Isn’t that leaving out all the very ill old people they discharged to care homes and certain death?

237662 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to PoshPanic, #1162 of 2009 🔗

I assume so?

This has to be seen and understood by people, especially healthcare workers, surely?

It’s as spasticated as the Biden supporters who condemned Trump supporters for having large gatherings when they are now celebrating in mass gatherings across the US…………the propaganda has worked well with very many people. I’m reminded of a South Park song about Mormons….. https://youtu.be/621LzO0qWnU

237389 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #1163 of 2009 🔗

Metro newspaper showing a urinal with a social distance of 6 ft of said urinal.
Sorry, at almost 72, I have a job “finding it” let alone p×ssing that distance.
In same paper there was a report of a public toilet with a warning sign saying ” For your own safety, please close the toilet lid”
I’ll leave my fellow sceptics to come up with some humorous replies.

237391 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1164 of 2009 🔗

Sorry, at almost 72, I have a job “finding it” let alone p×ssing that distance.

Brilliant! Comedy gold!!

237401 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to captainbeefheart, 9, #1165 of 2009 🔗

It’s the truth CB.
I think I might have bored you all with this old piece of philosophy: Men go out of this world exactly the same as they came in :No hair, no teeth and a little cock.

237408 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1166 of 2009 🔗

Thanks for cheering me up! 1000x 🙂

237428 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1167 of 2009 🔗

No problem

237410 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1168 of 2009 🔗

Good one.

I liked Steve Tyler’s (Aerosmith lead singer) response in an interview years ago when asked how he would like to die.

His answer?

“To go out how I came in, naked, kicking and screaming between a woman’s legs”.

237429 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1169 of 2009 🔗

Good one.

237492 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1170 of 2009 🔗

Pretty much how John Entwistle – The Who- went out

237434 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1171 of 2009 🔗

I’m just waiting for the hair and teeth to go….

237441 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to JHuntz, #1172 of 2009 🔗

Don’t put yourself down.

237456 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1173 of 2009 🔗

I remember my dad (born 1920) telling me about when him and his mates had a contest about who could p×ss the highest up a wall and one of the girls won!

237459 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1174 of 2009 🔗

I can’t help a bit of self deprecating humour…

237588 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1175 of 2009 🔗

hahaha indeed I’m also 1 down 2 to go!

237448 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1176 of 2009 🔗

Dammit I’m 1 and 1/2 way there!!!

237470 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1177 of 2009 🔗

Due South from your Adams apple

237396 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1178 of 2009 🔗

Wait til the hand dryers switch on..then everyone will be pissing in the wind

237407 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to PoshPanic, #1179 of 2009 🔗

Absolutely BRILLIANT!!

237416 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1180 of 2009 🔗

Bedwetters by definition don’t need to use a public urinal, so I don’t see why they need any notice.

237446 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1181 of 2009 🔗

Fuck em, piss on the floor…

237511 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1182 of 2009 🔗

That reminds me…
A 93 year old came into the pharmacy and asked for 7 viagra tablets. The conversation went like this:
“Of course, sir. No problem”.
“But”, said he, “can you cut them all into 4, please. That will give me 4 weeks’ supply.”
“Certainly. But we have to inform you that a quarter tablet won’t give you a viable erection”.
“I’m not interested in sex, at my age” quoth the 93-year old. “I just want it to project far enough to stop the dribbling on my slippers.”

An old joke (like me!) but still funny.
On that note… I’ll get my coat.

237601 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1183 of 2009 🔗

Good one.

237545 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1184 of 2009 🔗

I’m told that many a schoolboy has taken part in the Great Pee Up The Wall. Competition.Don’t know what the current record is, but according to the BBC the Great Pee is due to become an Olympic sport at the next socially distanced Zombie Olympics on Zoom.

As for the lid…
Close, close, close the lid,
‘Cause Covid in the bowl is hid.

237610 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, #1185 of 2009 🔗

What about Synchronised p××sing?

237945 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1186 of 2009 🔗

Involves serious social pisstancing

237750 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to annie, 1, #1187 of 2009 🔗

Though I didn’t witness it myself, at my primary school a boy once allegedly peed right over the wall. I don’t know if anyone was on the other side.

237947 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, #1188 of 2009 🔗

I think if there had been, you’d have known.

237403 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #1189 of 2009 🔗

The Northern Ireland Assembly has answered the FOI request about justifying lockdowns using the PCR tests and it is:

The Assembly Commission does not hold this information. “

Another answer the same to add to the growing pile.

237405 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1190 of 2009 🔗

You are doing everyone a fantastic service, keep hammering away!

237457 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, #1191 of 2009 🔗

Someone, somewhere must. Or do they?!

237546 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, #1192 of 2009 🔗

Not so far.

DHSC in my last FOI claimed they did but I appealed and ripped their answers to shreds they did not supply and evidence or science and expected em to just accept their word for it – nah, not going to happen.

237807 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #1193 of 2009 🔗

I’ve had the same result in trying to get any info or MLAs to ask questions. As far as I can tell our local bunch of Public Health Czars just regurgitate whatever comes from SAGE as ‘evidence’ for their measures

237415 Marialta, 14, #1194 of 2009 🔗

UNN breaking new on now that senior Tories are demanding the lockdown ends before Dec 2nd due to evidence that virus peaked and levelled prior to lockdown.

Not verified by me but sounds plausible ??

237418 kf99, replying to kf99, 6, #1195 of 2009 🔗

Stephen Daisley : pandering to the SNP puts BBC reputation at risk

“nothing is quite a blatant as giving the First Minister, in effect, her own daily TV show”

237450 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to kf99, 3, #1196 of 2009 🔗

He’s absolutely right. It’s pathetic.

237461 ▶▶ annie, replying to kf99, 1, #1197 of 2009 🔗

What reputation?

237424 Lockdown Truth, #1198 of 2009 🔗

Hi. Does anyone have a link to those two Facebook videos of Piers Corbyn being by police harassed outside Bromley court today?

237425 Ceriain, 10, #1199 of 2009 🔗

I can’t believe that Fatboy is going to appear again with the Brothers Grimm.

These two clowns are now a busted flush after everything that happened last week.

237432 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1200 of 2009 🔗

Something to look forward to:
A meeting of West Berkshire Council’s Local Outbreak Engagement Board – Monday 9 November 2020 at 6:00 pm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZAxhczeAOg

QUESTIONS CAN BE SUBMITTED HERE IN ADVANCE:
pr@westberks.gov.uk

A Facebook live stream is here:
https://www.facebook.com/westberkshire/

It will be interesting to hear what this bunch of Uber-Dicklords are going to say.

237534 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1201 of 2009 🔗

Sent them this for what’s it’s worth even if I don’t live there.

In t he Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 answer it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

It also linked to a document that in conclusion stated that the PCR tests being used are unreliable, had high false positive rates, could not be verified against an actual confirmed case of covid-19 and had not been verified in a medical or hospital setting.

PCR tests are also, as admitted by their inventors, not a diagnostic tool nor a quantitive test and should not be used as such in any circumstances.

My questions:

1 – based on the above statements how can a positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?

2 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for local lockdowns and other general restrictions?

3 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of individuals tested “positive”?

4 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of those who have been in “close contact” with an individual who tested “positive”?

5 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for closing down or fining a business when customers have been tested “positive”?

237606 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #1202 of 2009 🔗

good one. thanks for that.

237632 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1203 of 2009 🔗

BOMZ AWAY!
See you in the Gulag!

237650 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #1204 of 2009 🔗

oops we both sent it…hehe

237763 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1205 of 2009 🔗

We’ll both be ignored then.

237752 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #1206 of 2009 🔗

Excellent, very succinct

237613 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1207 of 2009 🔗

Uber-Dicklords 😀

237433 mjr, replying to mjr, 11, #1208 of 2009 🔗

BBC gone into “hallelujah the vaccine is here” mode. stock market booming. we are all saved

237439 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mjr, 3, #1209 of 2009 🔗

They have finally stooped to promoting genocide. No surprises there.

237442 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mjr, 3, #1210 of 2009 🔗

Posted below, South Korean flu vaccine program is having a few teething problems..

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20201023002700315

237436 Ceriain, 5, #1211 of 2009 🔗

Not sure how many of you guys saw the video posted yesterday, just before the page changed, by 2 pence. It’s worth a quick watch.

Bloke tests apple juice on the new ‘awesome’ test that will save the world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUCV3XY3l0&ab_channel=HelloIrlandia

237437 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 16, #1212 of 2009 🔗

I think you will find that the overwhelming majority of the 37-40% of NHS staff absentees reported in today’s update are asymptomatic and perfectly capable of working in Covid wards. There’s a lot that can be said here, not least that the Nightingale hospitals are a waste of money if the system ensures there aren’t the doctors and nurses to staff them. The main point, though, is that the government is terrified that some NHS hospitals will not be able to cope with the normal winter demand. That would be political dynamite. The honest slogan is not “protect the NHS” but rather “Save the face of the NHS”. People are brainwashed into believing the NHS is the finest health-care provider in the world, and, indeed, the finest creation in the entire history of humanity. It’s not, as many objective comparisons show, not least that cancer survival rates in the UK are poor in comparison to those achieved in many other western countries. And the report, also on today’s update, that “that there is a very significant percentage of in-hospital infection with Covid” is truly shocking.  People might be less sentimental about the NHS if they were properly informed of the mass collateral damage that is steadily accumulating as a result of the lockdown. I fear people are in for a terrible shock next year when the true cost is finally revealed.

237460 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to James Marker, 6, #1213 of 2009 🔗

And you can add collateral damage from the mass vaccination programme to the tsunami of sickness and death headed our way.

237867 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to James Marker, 1, #1214 of 2009 🔗

Yes James, the NHS are deliberately creating these staff shortages. Years of working with them has yielded much insight. They have, for years, been able to grab the public debate and sympathy by claiming they need more money blah blah blah. Well, under Blair’s government they got hundreds of millions. Not a penny spent on patients but on themselves. The way they grab the public debate and sympathy is by axing frontline services thereby affecting the public. They don’t care. They are shameless opportunists. What we have here now is that they have, to some extent, been rumbled by the figures and other negative press so, what to do next? Create a staffing crisis to get more money and more sympathy, a totally fabricated staffing crisis. They are well skilled in this. You never hear, do you, that the NHS has decided to make redundant 60% of their tiers of managers in order to secure frontline services. They are now being found out and wanting big time. Good!

237449 alw, 4, #1215 of 2009 🔗

More nonsense from Sky news.
“I’ve seen this reported twice.  It is nonsense & appears to have been pushed to the media to discourage ppl from driving.  In short, absent the commission of other offences, driving in any circumstan…”

A thread from @Francis_Hoar
https://threader.app/thread/1325821997557878784

237454 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1216 of 2009 🔗

Greetings from the Principality to our brothers in arms in England

We stand alone together

We few, we happy few, this band of brothers

(On a lighter note my OH has ‘bounced’ me into going to the pub, where one day we will toast the fall of the pig dictator)

237462 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1217 of 2009 🔗

Raise a glass for me please. It is my birthday after all.

237465 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1218 of 2009 🔗

Happy birthday, Sarigan. And greetings, Cecil B from a 1/8th Welshman 🙂

237468 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1219 of 2009 🔗

When the p.d. is bacon and chops, I’ll get in my car and motor up to join you at your pub. Hail the day!

PS.,Drake soup also to be served.

237538 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 1, #1220 of 2009 🔗

And we will pay a visit to the beautiful town of Tenby

237939 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, #1221 of 2009 🔗

Not until we’ve got rid of the foul Covid street furniture. It’s got a lot of sceptical stickers on it, though, courtesy of me.

237464 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 27, #1222 of 2009 🔗

Did a ‘naughty’ thing today.

Had a chat with the OH; she was telling me many of her colleagues are “really loving working at home”. I told her to remind them that, if they can do their jobs working on a computer in their bedroom or kitchen, SO CAN THE INDIANS!

She said it ruined the whole atmosphere in the office. LOL! 😉

237478 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1223 of 2009 🔗

Indians are pretty expensive nowadays. Phillippines, VIetnam = much cheaper.

237544 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JohnB, 1, #1224 of 2009 🔗

Phillippines, VIetnam = much cheaper.

Thanks for the tip! 😉

237591 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1225 of 2009 🔗

Yes and shipping industry was prescient. Phillipino crews the norm for years regardless of which particular flag of convenience is being flown.

237466 Paul Weston, replying to Paul Weston, 12, #1226 of 2009 🔗

Johnson was “bounced” because Johnson hasn’t taken the time to understand what is actually happening. Most MP’s are equally witless. The tragedy of course is the death count numbering in the thousands of non-covid illnesses which are a direct result of their lazy ignorance.

And another thing, we know there are thousands of non-covid deaths yet every time the MSM talk about excess deaths, it is always linked to the virus….. Orwell called this Doublethink.

237497 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul Weston, 7, #1227 of 2009 🔗

And isn’t it odd how, when hospitals started being blamed for Covid infections, they suddenly discovered that ‘death with Covid’ wasn’t the same thing as ‘death from Covid’?

237502 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Paul Weston, 1, #1228 of 2009 🔗

Are you Paul Weston from Liberty GB?

237537 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1229 of 2009 🔗

Paul Weston – How to destroy a country youtube video – Spot on

237519 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Paul Weston, 3, #1230 of 2009 🔗

Puppet

237569 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to Paul Weston, 4, #1231 of 2009 🔗

He wasn’t “bounced” – that’s just a deflection tactic.

237474 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1232 of 2009 🔗

Who checks the “fact checkers”? Anyone can set up as a so-called “fact checker”! Who do these knob-heads think they are! This from the Telegraph live feed:

Fact checkers prepare for influx of Covid-19 vaccine conspiracy theories soon

One of the UK’s leading fact checking organisations is preparing for anti-vaccination posts online to be “ramped up” following news of a major vaccine breakthrough.

Social networks and online platforms have seen a surge in misinformation since the pandemic began, with anti-vax conspiracy theories among the biggest threat.

Full Fact, the UK’s independent fact checking charity, is preparing itself for further attempts by anti-vaxxers looking to sow public doubt.

Tom Phillips, editor of Full Fact, said: “I don’t think we’ve seen anything about it just yet but I would imagine that it will not be too long before we start seeing things.” I wouldn’t be surprised if we start to see false claims about it relatively soon.”

237489 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1233 of 2009 🔗

… like the false claim that you can ensure the safety of, and confidence in, a vaccine by reducing regulatory requirements and absolving producers of responsibility for harm?

237494 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1234 of 2009 🔗

Fact checkers are notorious for being nothing more than more propaganda, smears and silencing of debate. Been going for a long time on ‘climate change’. As I’ve mentioned quite a few times now, there’s no significant difference between the climate scam and the covid scam. Same pushers, same goals (destruction of western economies) same techniques of fearporn etc etc.

Brief roundup to be found here, and if you look into Appendix 3 you’ll recognise all the same stuff.
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/

237495 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1235 of 2009 🔗
237549 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1236 of 2009 🔗

Hardly looks independent Google and Facebook the biggest funders both companies benefiting hugely financially from the Great Reset scam and moving services online.

Most people sadly don’t have the intelligence to ask themselves who the fact checkers are, who finances them and what their motivation is.

237517 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1237 of 2009 🔗

Fact checkers are there to weed out people like us. Anyone that questions the narrative.

Yes they are self appointed, normally by big business that has a stake to protect or money to make.

237560 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, 6, #1238 of 2009 🔗

It’s amazing that the general public fall for the scam of ‘fact checkers’ also most seem to receive ‘news’ via Apple, Google or Microsoft. Globalist companies couldn’t care less about the truth – simply propaganda merchants.

237888 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Darryl, 2, #1239 of 2009 🔗

The general public doesn’t want facts or the truth, they just want to be comforted in their oblivious denial that anything worse is going on than all of us together happily and valiantly keeping granny safe and sheltering from the Plague.

237653 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Victoria, #1240 of 2009 🔗
237644 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1241 of 2009 🔗

Who checks the Fact Checkers? Why George Soros of course, to make sure they are delivering the service he has paid for!

237832 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to OKUK, 1, #1242 of 2009 🔗

And vaccine tsar Bill Gates is an avid funder of fact checkers, mind you he needs to be, he can’t have the truth having a free ride.

237718 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tenchy, #1243 of 2009 🔗

Like my sister said, when I questioned her why she does not investigate this for herself, who is usually sceptic about “conventional” medicine. So many different opinions of people I have never heard of before, how do I know who I can trust?

Or as I said to my friend yesterday, try to buy some milk in the supermarket. There is so much choice, but you still need to make a decision. So you compare.
(If you have ever been in my local supermarket to buy milk, the choice is mind boggling!)

237475 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 23, #1245 of 2009 🔗

Just seen professor Allyson Pollock of Newcastle University laying into mass testing on the BBC news channel saying it shouldn’t be used for asymptomatic testing. Good for her.

237498 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonny S., 7, #1246 of 2009 🔗

Thanks – send her an email of support, she’ll need it amid the deluge of smears she’ll be getting now 🙁

237477 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 10, #1247 of 2009 🔗

Re the Pfizer vaccine from the Guardian:

“To save time, the companies began manufacturing the vaccine before they knew whether it would work. They now expect to produce up to 50m doses, or enough vaccine to protect 25 million people, this year, and up to 1.3bn doses in 2021.

Many countries already have orders for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. The UK has bought 30m doses – enough for 15 million people because two doses are required. The EU has secured 200m doses, which it will distribute. The companies have a $1.95bn (£1.5bn) contract with the US government to deliver 100m vaccine doses beginning this year.”

Let’s all take a moment to be grateful for the wisdom, foresight and compassion of Big Pharma and our glorious leaders.

237490 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Draper233, 7, #1248 of 2009 🔗

Awfully convenient that the recipient needs two doses for it to be effective. So the world will need 14 Billion vaccines to be administered and even that won’t guarantee long term immunity. Of course, it’s all about saving granny there is no ulterior motive here.

In a way I am glad though because this will be a logistical nightmare for the government to administer c. 140 million vaccines if they intend to deliver to the whole population.

237499 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Draper233, 4, #1249 of 2009 🔗

You might as well have a lobotomy if you accept a vaccine with a background of conflicting interests like that!

237513 ▶▶ annie, replying to Draper233, 3, #1250 of 2009 🔗

So this year they can dose 25 million people out of seven billion.And some time next year (?), the vaccine can be given to less than a quarter of the UK population and will be 10% ineffective.
Hallelujah indeed.
Now wait for next week’s announcement that the muck doesn’t work after all.

237515 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Draper233, 6, #1251 of 2009 🔗

To save time, the companies began manufacturing the vaccine before they knew whether it would work.

I believe this is partially true. What is omitted is that in all probability this manufacturing began in 2019.

237572 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Draper233, 7, #1252 of 2009 🔗

Stonks! 1.3bn doses in 2021 works out at $25.4bn, which is 50% of Pfizer’s annual revenue for last year. And all without legal liability!

237667 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1253 of 2009 🔗

There’s so much money involved in the Covid scam that academics, with a few honourable exceptions, can be paid more than enough to keep their mouths firmly shut. In the end though, they will not be exempted from retribution delivered by Covid-19 vaccination. Once vaccinated academics, like the rest of us, will be dead men still walking, at least for a while.

237884 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Rowan, #1254 of 2009 🔗

The government might have painted themselves into another corner with the vaccine though. If the populace believe it to be a miracle cure and it is not given to them fast enough, we could see riots etc as thickos break into factories to try to get it. At the very least it could topple the government as all it would take is some demagogue to stand on a ‘vaccines for all’ ticket at the next elections (assuming there are any).

237483 Ceriain, 6, #1255 of 2009 🔗

Johnson with Van Tam and some Brigadier. Uh oh!

He’s being vary; vaccine not yet peer reviewed.

He’s gibbering on about “toots” and “bugles”.

Now bullshitting about deaths, hospital numbers, bring the R down, blah, blah, blah.

Mass testing is the answer. FFS!

237485 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1256 of 2009 🔗

Big brother on now.Vaccine will save us

237488 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #1257 of 2009 🔗

so it’s tamiflu all over again then! 15 million doses they ordered for that and used virtually none of them.

237496 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1258 of 2009 🔗

Big Pharma are not allowing for a repeat of tami. This is the new flu shot.

237641 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1259 of 2009 🔗

A seriously debilitating vaccine that the masses will be clamouring for is the stuff of dreams for philanthrocapitalists who are into vaccines and depopulation.

237623 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1260 of 2009 🔗

They intend to use the vaccines this time around, you can be sure of that and 15 million doses is just a mere bagatelle. They are going for 7 billion doses several times a year on a global basis. It was clear from very early on that the Covid scam was really all about getting a dodgy vaccine into each and every one of us. Although Bill Gates and Big Pharma stand to make a financial killing, it’s not now about the money, so what do we think they really up to? Short answer – it’s about full control and massive depopulation.

237645 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rowan, 5, #1261 of 2009 🔗

Vaccine only the start.Tied with digital passport and the coming digital currency;add UBI and you have almost total control of the population.

237824 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1262 of 2009 🔗

The vaccine will be the end for most of us and in that respect all of the other measures, evil though they be, will be of little consequence.

237493 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 23, #1263 of 2009 🔗

” … the distant bugle of the scientific cavalry …”? Oh, piss off …

237501 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to kh1485, 6, #1264 of 2009 🔗

My thoughts exactly!! What a t***er.

237509 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to FiFiTrixabelle, 10, #1265 of 2009 🔗

How disgusting to use a military metaphor at this time of year. Agree, what a complete and utter twat.

237503 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to kh1485, 8, #1266 of 2009 🔗

It just makes him sound even more like the incompetent berk he is.

237504 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to kh1485, 6, #1267 of 2009 🔗

literally standing there lying

237510 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 13, #1268 of 2009 🔗

This is disgusting using the army for blatant political propaganda.

237514 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1269 of 2009 🔗

The brigadier never wrote this bollocks, did he?

237518 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1270 of 2009 🔗

What do you think?

237875 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, #1271 of 2009 🔗

The only Brigadier I’d listen to is Lethbridge-Stewart.

237525 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 3, #1272 of 2009 🔗

Well for the likes of us the army is going to be distributing it at gunpoint, so rather appropriate.

237527 ▶▶ mjr, replying to kh1485, 13, #1273 of 2009 🔗

his camouflage is not very good – i can still see him

237553 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 3, #1274 of 2009 🔗

What utter tosh, the Clown Show gets worse every episode.

237506 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 9, #1275 of 2009 🔗

Well swipe me pink (and other expressions from the 50s) Biden wins and as if by magic Pfizer produce a miracle cure..shhhurely he is risen..

237573 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to yohodi, 5, #1276 of 2009 🔗

They can stick there miracle cure where it actually belongs, not in my arm. What next a vaccine for the common cold?

237507 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 19, #1277 of 2009 🔗

As sure as night follows day anything a government touches turns to shit. The distribution and administration of the vaccine will be a clusterfuck just like the current track and trace system. I suspect us sceptics will be able to hold off for quite some time before they get to us.

237521 ▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1278 of 2009 🔗

They won’t get to anybody in the UK before next year, anyway.

237532 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to annie, 4, #1279 of 2009 🔗

Dr Scott Gottlieb, on the board of Pfizer and former head of the FDA, said on CNBC this morning, not to expect any roll-out before Q2/Q3. Ignore what Jonathan V-T is saying at the press conference, I would be inclined to take more notice of Gottlieb.

237541 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to annie, 23, #1280 of 2009 🔗

They won’t be getting to me ever.

At 100.000 vaccines a day, that would take 650 days, and unless they hold me down and force an injection, it aint happening, and even then they’ll face an affidavit.

I’m sure many on here feel exactly the same.

237561 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Kev, 5, #1281 of 2009 🔗

I’m in the process of converting a van to travel Europe next year. Hoping to get the travelling bug out of my system before this vaccine is mandatory. It’ll be holidays down south from now on as i’m not getting this either.

237661 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1282 of 2009 🔗

I know a fair bit about this kind of thing. Drop me a PM if you want to discuss your plans and get some tips.

237894 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Two-Six, #1283 of 2009 🔗

Thanks two-six. I’ll drop you a note!

237804 ▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1284 of 2009 🔗

Travelled Europe in the 90’s in an old Bedford 28 seater single decker school bus we converted – busking with our two teenage daughters – to pay our way round all the sites and sights of a Grand European Cultural Tour. Best education we could have given our children.
Converted an LDV Maxus van in 2013 – just passed it on last winter. Lots of time in Europe and up far north onto the Isles.
You’ve not asked for advice – but maybe a tip would be ok? We kept our conversions both times as simple and basic as poss. Worked just fine.
Jolly good luck to you.

237891 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to gina, #1285 of 2009 🔗

That sounds fantastic. Well I think it’ll just be me and the dog to begin with anyway so certainly simple and basic convo 🙂

237564 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Kev, 1, #1286 of 2009 🔗

Yes many will feel that way, but if they don’t what are they doing here?

237542 ▶▶ DRW, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1287 of 2009 🔗

Let’s hope we can somehow win before these things get forced on us all, we will still have some time yet.

237638 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, 1, #1288 of 2009 🔗

We have some time, and a hell of a task – work work work – did you see my message? It’s really important to work out how to debrainwash people

237652 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Rosie, 1, #1289 of 2009 🔗

Yes, I am also worried about how we start debrainwashing people.

237690 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, 1, #1290 of 2009 🔗

Send me an email. Seriously I think this is something you can do well. It’s the mixture of different types of posts from you and ability to think for yourself as well as discuss. You’d be good.

237555 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to JHuntz, 9, #1291 of 2009 🔗

The main problem is that a majority of the population are dimwits and will believe that a Covid-19 vaccine will be a good thing. It won’t be, as they will find out.

237574 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Rowan, 8, #1292 of 2009 🔗

Exactly. I am happy to donate my dose to them.

237585 ▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to kh1485, 9, #1293 of 2009 🔗

They can have mine too. They will be doubly protected!

237607 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to smileymiley, 5, #1294 of 2009 🔗

And mine and all of my family’s including the medics in it.

238011 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 1, #1295 of 2009 🔗

I’m going to give mine to a saintly tiktok nurse.

237516 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #1296 of 2009 🔗

God help us. Us two scientists, with younger son, are pissing ourselves laughing at the soldier with his chemistry set!

237528 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1297 of 2009 🔗

Okay, that’s got me. I was determined not to watch but it’s just too tempting…

237531 ▶▶ steph, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1298 of 2009 🔗

Do expand please for those of us temperamentally unable to watch. It sounds funny.

237554 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to steph, 8, #1299 of 2009 🔗

Sorry, it was his demonstration of how to put the swab in the plastic lateral flow device. Followed by the explanation of how one of the squaddies explained how to use it to someone who was deaf. We really should not be laughing at our soldiers, and no serious government should ever put them in the position of becoming a laughing stock. I despair.

237570 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1300 of 2009 🔗

Soldiers should not be involved at all. Reminds me of Blair’s armoured vehicles at Heathrow.

237577 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1301 of 2009 🔗

They are going on about the moonsh*t testing then. I feared it would all be about the marvellous vaccine news.
All nonsense though.

237559 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1302 of 2009 🔗

Well it is the Clown Show, sounds like they’ve introduced a new character.

237524 Jane G, 1, #1303 of 2009 🔗

Is this the lateral flow test that’s 50% accurate?

237526 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 15, #1304 of 2009 🔗

Went to Tenby this afternoon (Hi, Annie!|) to drop off some Hermes parcels, visit the bank and give the dog a run on the beach.. The number of masked up fuckwits walking around the town in the open air was depressing, to say the least. However, we got our business done and the dog had a great time. Left just as the heavens opened.

237934 ▶▶ annie, replying to StevieH, #1305 of 2009 🔗

Yes, we have our share of nappy addicts and hopeless zombies. I generally keep out of the town centre for that reason, and because of the foul Covvie street furniture everywhere. Outside the centre it’s fine. And I’ve never had any trouble about being maskless in shops, though I seldom go in them these days.
Sorry I missed you, though. I was at home sheltering from the cloudburst.

237529 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1306 of 2009 🔗

The men in black have got the brigadier’s grandkids. No sane top soldier would believe this.

Van Tam: We’ve not to get overexcited.

237533 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1307 of 2009 🔗

Common purpose ?

237536 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1308 of 2009 🔗

I can well believe that all manner of darkness is at work here.

If this brigadier has any dignity, he should blow his head off later today.

237539 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ceriain, #1309 of 2009 🔗

What are you talking about please?

237551 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1310 of 2009 🔗

I can’t watch, can anyone fill us in exactly why some kind of soldier is on this briefing?

237562 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to dickyboy, 5, #1311 of 2009 🔗

I missed his bit. But he’s tall, so presumably they hoped that would impress people.

237576 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1312 of 2009 🔗

As opposed to the two lardy arses next to him, one of whom talks very slowly to make you think he is clever, the other uses inappropriate terms from the classics or sport to make you think he is clever!

237597 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1313 of 2009 🔗

It was like a science for kiddies segment.I was going to say newsround but newsround was more intelligent.

237619 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Charlie Blue, #1314 of 2009 🔗

LOL !

237530 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 9, #1315 of 2009 🔗

The way we get on with our lives is returning the previous testing standards and clinical care that we had for many years.

We are living in a cult.

237543 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to mhcp, 6, #1316 of 2009 🔗

And ruled by cults! Sorry, I meant…

237552 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to StevieH, 2, #1317 of 2009 🔗

No no Stevie, more respect please for my precious anatomy 🙂

237587 ▶▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Rosie, #1318 of 2009 🔗

Sorry – no disrespect intended.

237605 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to StevieH, #1319 of 2009 🔗

Apology accepted 🙂 🙂

237575 ▶▶ DRW, replying to mhcp, 17, #1320 of 2009 🔗

I am also very worried about how we’d even start de-programming the masses when they’ve been so badly brainwashed. It’d have to be like de-nazification.

237615 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to DRW, 1, #1321 of 2009 🔗

Very good point!

237616 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, 1, #1322 of 2009 🔗

Agree. Someone needs to start work on this project. I had an email from someone – I think you’d be a good member of the team, DRW. Think about it and contact me, and I’ll put you in touch. It would give you an expertise and something constructive to do with your experiences. I’ll send you what I’ve found so far (not much but a starter) and you can take the project and run with it. I’m pretty shocked that no pro has stepped forward yet.

I’m here https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

237799 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DRW, 1, #1323 of 2009 🔗

If – and it’s a big if now – we ever get back to something approaching normality, I don’t think there will ever be any enquiries etc. It will just be quietly not talked about for at least a generation, like the Spanish Civil War or the German occupation of the Channel Islands.

237540 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 5, #1324 of 2009 🔗

“Then a man who did Prime Minister impersonations came on the radio…” Spike Milligan in Adolf Hitler, my part in his downfall. Talking about Neville Chamberlain, but Spike would have had great fun with Bozo!

237618 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to DocRC, 5, #1325 of 2009 🔗

‘He announced we were at war with Germany’

‘What does he mean ‘we’

Dear old Spike

237547 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 1, #1326 of 2009 🔗

And now, some footballing metaphors. Is that for Marcus Rashford?

237557 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 4, #1327 of 2009 🔗

He even cocked that up.He was talking about play offs then winning the cup.They have taken us for morons for so long they talk to us like we are.

237550 Jane G, 3, #1328 of 2009 🔗

JVT talking about waves …oh dear

237556 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 6, #1329 of 2009 🔗

Talk about the three stooges!

OH has just switched channels as we couldn’t bear it any longer. We are however, watching a programme with a similar theme, it’s called “Pointless”

Is there anyone on here who can explain these rapid lateral flow tests please?

237566 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Margaret, 1, #1330 of 2009 🔗

It’s a bit like a pregnancy test but with a long cotton bud slotted into the plastic device that has been in your nose rather than your pee! Let me make it clear, you don’t have to pee on it at any point!!

237589 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1331 of 2009 🔗

Thanks TT but does it have the same problems with cut off points like the PCR test or is it binary like a pregnancy test? Does the result show you’ve got SARS Covid2 or have had it? Thanks.

237663 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Margaret, 2, #1332 of 2009 🔗

Sorry Margaret, I was still recovering from the Brigadier’s demonstration. Here is the background on the test:

https://www.nsmedicaldevices.com/news/lateral-flow-test-covid-19/

237689 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Margaret, #1333 of 2009 🔗

This so complicated. For the PCR test you need enzymes, duplication, a lot of equipment to do the test to find – or not – sars2 RNA.
The rapid test has a substance in the kit, which reacts to the protein spike of a corona virus.
(if I remember what I learned yday correctly)
The rapid test can determine if “a” corona virus is in your body, but NOT if it is alive, if it is enough to infect others, or will make you ill.
So basically as useless as the implementation of the PCR test.

237604 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1334 of 2009 🔗

You can get pregnant by shoving something up your nose?

I knew I was doing something wrong

237770 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1335 of 2009 🔗

Fuck nose

237924 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1336 of 2009 🔗

Don’t zombies pee through their noses? I thought that was why they wore nappies on their faces.

237580 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Margaret, #1337 of 2009 🔗

Are they these? Testing positive from apple juice?

https://youtu.be/ueUCV3XY3l0

237594 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Margaret, #1338 of 2009 🔗

Yes me, it’s a test where the flow is lateral

Keep up

237598 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Margaret, #1339 of 2009 🔗

Is that the antigen rubbish even less reliable than PCR?

237558 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 18, #1340 of 2009 🔗

Why was that young person even asking if going home for the holidays would be permitted? FFS! Permitted?

237567 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Charlie Blue, 16, #1341 of 2009 🔗

It’s irrelevant. Any parent who gives a toss about their child’s wellbeing will be up in a shot to collect them, regardless of rules. It is so revolting that the government is separating families like this for no good reason.

237583 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Poppy, 5, #1342 of 2009 🔗

Or they could just leave of their own accord – presuming there isn’t a complete travel ban. They are adults!

237599 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1343 of 2009 🔗

Universities also have no legal power to imprison students.

237620 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Poppy, 1, #1344 of 2009 🔗

Quite

237568 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Charlie Blue, 24, #1345 of 2009 🔗

I snarl at anyone using the words ‘allowed’ or ‘permitted’ relating to this farce.

237657 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jane G, 4, #1346 of 2009 🔗

My comments on Nextdoor this week had replies that I am political. I think a lady asking for advice if she and her 2 sisters can look after their frail 84y old mother, and not leave the responsibility to 1 sister, and my reply of course she can and the rules are just stupid, is not political!
But if I get banned I will be very proud!

237586 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1347 of 2009 🔗

Because it’s the usual scripted bollocks.

237565 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 27, #1348 of 2009 🔗

What is the point of Boris talking to us any more? If he says we definitely won’t do something it inevitably happens, if he says we will do something it inevitably doesn’t. Who is listening any more?

237582 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Achilles, 7, #1349 of 2009 🔗

Will the pig dictator never accept that I don’t want to be fucked by him

237754 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Achilles, #1350 of 2009 🔗

He really believes that we respect him as much as Churchill

237795 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 1, #1351 of 2009 🔗

I don’t think it matters exactly what he says anymore. They just have to keep the narrative going that there’s something dangerous out there of which we need to be very afraid. The majority of people don’t pick up on the specifics and I’ve given up on pointing out the inconsistencies to people as most don’t care. Lockdown is either welcomed by them or is just something they have to do ‘because of the virus’. I’ve noticed there’s less talk of things getting back to normal in 2021 now as well.

237571 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 14, #1352 of 2009 🔗

And right on cue, the Magic Saviour Vaccine is revealed. Bloodstream of humanity monetised forever, freedoms only to be partially restored if you take the mark. Don’t question it though – you might be tagged as a Russian bot or Isis cyber-genius.

I won’t be around to take it.

237578 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to JamesDrebin, 6, #1353 of 2009 🔗

Could be saline for all I care, let the people who are scared take it and get us back to normal.

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks the vaccine news might be to calm down some of the global tension against the lockdowns to give time for the Danish Mink narrative to set in to make any attempt at vaccination useless thus requiring continued restrictions.

237584 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ricky R, 13, #1354 of 2009 🔗

We are not going back to normal vaccine or not.That is what everyone needs to understand

237756 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1355 of 2009 🔗

Exactly. This is just the start

237596 ▶▶▶ PaulParanoia, replying to Ricky R, 5, #1356 of 2009 🔗

The mink narrative is a back-up for if Trump somehow manages to overturn the election results in the courts.

237636 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Ricky R, 6, #1357 of 2009 🔗

It will be many years before anything like normality is restored after the enormous damage that has been done to health (mental and physical), wealth, the economy, livelihoods, democracy etc, etc!

237592 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JamesDrebin, 7, #1358 of 2009 🔗

Agreed. I’m out of here the minute they start using the army. Which they will, at some point between now and March next year.

This is the ultimate test for all of us. Fail and you will never leave this place, even in death.

237649 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #1359 of 2009 🔗

Me neither. Line crossed and life over.

237581 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1360 of 2009 🔗

Lockdown till Spring – Van Tam.

237590 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1361 of 2009 🔗

Missed it! Did he say lockdownS or implied one long imprisonment?

237602 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1362 of 2009 🔗

Continued restrictions, tiered system returns on Dec 2nd.

Very quick to start adding doom and gloom to the vaccine news too.

237609 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ricky R, 7, #1363 of 2009 🔗

Straight into tier 9 for everyone then.

237678 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1364 of 2009 🔗

The vaccine is one thing I agree with him on at least. Far too good to be true.

238050 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1365 of 2009 🔗

I know some dr.’s who are somewhat privy to the government’s Covid task force here in Belgium, and they say Autumn 2021 is the earliest possible date a vaccine could conceivably be approved for general use. All more optimistic estimates are merely part of the carrot-and-stick propaganda to keep Joe/Jane Public docile and compliant, thinking the end is just around the corner if only (s)he keeps on swallowing the Kool-Aid.

237608 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1366 of 2009 🔗

He said this will not be over before Spring; same thing in my book.

237611 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1367 of 2009 🔗

Yes, I take the point. Doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things, just thinking from a selfish perspective about work.

237682 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1368 of 2009 🔗

Sorry, Charlie. 🙁

Carry on being selfish, mate; it’s still your right in a free world . 🙂

237612 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1369 of 2009 🔗

Johnson’s mate Orban in Hungary keeps mentioning this magic Spring date. WTF?

237622 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #1370 of 2009 🔗

Really? I thought Orban was more independent. When did he succumb?

237853 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Rosie, 2, #1371 of 2009 🔗

When he all but crowned himself Dictator for life some 8-12 weeks into this alleged pandemic. He enacted Legislation using the Emergency measures to ensure that he could never be voted out of office. He has an awful lot of control in his hands now without recourse to any parliamentary process.

237621 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 21, #1372 of 2009 🔗

It’d be over now if everyone just stopped complying.

237686 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DRW, 1, #1373 of 2009 🔗

No doubt about that.

237789 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1374 of 2009 🔗

Presumably in the spring we get a reprieve, then it’s back into Lockdown when the Third Wave arrives in autumn 2021 because we dared to do things like meet our friends and go to beaches.

237595 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1375 of 2009 🔗

2021 or >2025?

237603 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1376 of 2009 🔗

Follow the furlough.On off lockdown until then

237625 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1377 of 2009 🔗

I was really hoping they’d all be locked up by then

237648 ▶▶ PaulC, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1378 of 2009 🔗

Still going on about us being in the second wave. I had to leave the room.

237658 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1379 of 2009 🔗

Well as posted by Tigress, even Pfizer execs have said a mass rollout will be Q2 at the earliest.

237593 Jo Dominich -, #1380 of 2009 🔗

Really?

237617 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 26, #1382 of 2009 🔗

It seems clear to em that – contrary to Toby et al = this is not a case of policy blunders or anyone being forced into anything, this is going to go on and on.

237626 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 17, #1383 of 2009 🔗

Once you realise that, then this shitshow all makes sense.
It’s a case of science being made to fit a political narrative not the government wildly and incompetently folllowing it.

237628 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1384 of 2009 🔗

Until the Pig Dictator becomes the actual one.

237629 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #1385 of 2009 🔗

Yes, if BoZo wanted to ease off, or even back out, everything would have needed was laid on the table for him after last week’s fiasco.

237684 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1386 of 2009 🔗

Yep he could have said the science was wrong and lifted the lockdown.he is following a plan like many other leaders across the world.

237631 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1387 of 2009 🔗

I a bit of a feeling developing that this time, they might have overreached.

237654 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jo Dominich -, 6, #1388 of 2009 🔗

That’s the big hope…that they’ve misjudged us and it’s not quite too late. With the military getting involved across Europe though its looking bad. Work work work everyone. All day every day

237639 ▶▶ steph, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #1389 of 2009 🔗

It certainly looks that way. Bozo refuses all opportunities to say that things are better than at first thought, new data shows us we are nearing the end etc. Instead he just doubles down. Now we have a senior military man on the clown show. It’s despicable

237680 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steph, 11, #1390 of 2009 🔗

For what it’s worth Steph, I thought Johnson was going to be negative. He’s now pushing his own Totalitarian Agenda through that’s why nothing will be resolved by Spring, gives him the time. However, I am not sure now how long they can spin this Covid narrative out that long as the true statistics are showing this is an endemic. If he’s saying there’s going to be a systematic series of lockdowns rolled out until Spring then I can’t see any basis for that and the true figures will show what rubbish it is. We now need to rely on Parliament to throw this shit legislation out and restore normality. There is a NATO agenda here, make no mistake.

This is Johnson trying to show he is the Boss so to speak and trying to reinstate some Authority hence the Brigadier. It’s a good threat to the public, you know, I have the Army here at the ready if you don’t do as I tell you. What he doesn’t realise of course is that his reputation is utterly destroyed, utterly. There is absolutely no confidence at all in him anywhere. So this shit show press conference is rubbish, utter garbage.

237982 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1391 of 2009 🔗

Is the DT taking the piss here?

We get our first alas of the press conference for the rising hospitalisations and death tolls, …

237988 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, #1392 of 2009 🔗

We can hope.

237640 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #1393 of 2009 🔗

Did TY say the PM had been forced? He may have done but if so I missed it. He may have felt/feel pressured into doing things, by various forces including public opinion, or his misguided perception of it. It doesn’t excuse anything he has done, jut recognises that even dictators don’t just do whatever they feel like all the time (maybe Fat Boy in North Korea comes close) but consider the consequences.

The only policy “blunder” was the initial decision to panic and lock down. Everything else has been part of a “conspiracy” to cover that up and exit without looking like they got it wrong.

237668 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 11, #1394 of 2009 🔗

Government was instrumental in the panic.Remember what johnson said on March 13.loved ones will die.Sage didn’t advocate lockdown it was a political decision.
They have had many opportunities to roll back with honour and have instead doubled down.
We are witnessing a coup and time is running out to stop it.

237699 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 10, #1395 of 2009 🔗

Yep mass action and dissent is now needed. O.K. we are now four days into this lockdown. Give it until the end of this week and dissent in the British Public will begin to grow as Christmas approaches. What we know for a fact is that this country cannot afford any more Lockdowns. This is Johnson’s school playground bully shit, he’s been found out, he is being roundly kicked by proper facts and figures and now the MSM (which is likely to increase) and he is trying desperately to reimpose his authority. What an idiot. I am not at all worried about what he said, it’s the last gasp of a drowning man. It is merely worthless rhetoric. It is now going to fuel even more backlash in the MSM (Except BBC and ITV of course). What an idiot. He could have apologised. He could have been optimistic. He could have been congratulatory to the British Public about the high level of compliance. He did none of those things. He’s gone.

237726 ▶▶▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to Jo Dominich -, 5, #1396 of 2009 🔗

I can only think of Cartman in South Park – “respect my authoritay!”
Like F we will.

237782 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to VickyA, 1, #1397 of 2009 🔗

That reminds me – if you haven’t watched it already, watch the Southpark Pandemic Special on Bitchute. It is absolutely hilarious, so good I watched it twice. It totally skewers the lunacy of the last seven months.

237772 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #1398 of 2009 🔗

I’m still surprised by the Johnson panicked theories and more especially so when we see that nearly every country panicked in almost identical fashion. Will these defenders of the Johnson faith ever see the bigger picture?

237842 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #1399 of 2009 🔗

Really perceptive comment – thank you.

237702 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1400 of 2009 🔗

It is true that the government was instrumental in the panic. One of the worst of their many monstrous crimes. But I think it was a product of the PM feeling it was his only option, if he wasn’t to be blamed for all those deaths. SAGE many not have advocated it directly but they certainly didn’t advocate against it and have consistently tried to scare everyone. They are all in it together.

237731 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 3, #1401 of 2009 🔗

Sage were quite happy to see the results of the measures they introduced.At that point they were following proper epidemiology.
They could have rolled back in summer and spun a victory but instead doubled down.

237761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1402 of 2009 🔗

National lockdowns have never been part of the “proper epidemiology”

237746 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 6, #1403 of 2009 🔗

“Everything else has been part of a “conspiracy” to cover that up and exit without looking like they got it wrong.”

Why not bite the bullet and take on board that the original lockdown was also part of a much bigger conspiracy. This seems highly likely, as nearly every country introduced very similar suicidal lockdown policies over a period of a week or so. Obviously there leaders were all singing from the “New Normal Hymnal”, sponsored by the vaccine tsar himself, Bill Gates.

237724 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1404 of 2009 🔗

I suspect Toby has twigged what’s going on by now, but it pays him not to blow the conspiracy trumpet, as this will give him access to information and contacts that might otherwise be unavailable. This seems likely to me, but of course I could be wrong about that.

237627 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1405 of 2009 🔗

Has the pig dictator actually met any real people?

237637 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cecil B, 23, #1406 of 2009 🔗

No, and it doesn’t sound like the soldiers have either – Liverpool residents have served us well by largely not turning out for the tests.

237688 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1407 of 2009 🔗

Good old Scousers

237642 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1408 of 2009 🔗

Only briefly at elections.

237643 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1409 of 2009 🔗

At this point I am asking whether or not he is human. We might be looking at our future. Synthetic organisms directly connected to AI.

237659 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1410 of 2009 🔗

Perhaps they tested the vaccine out on him while he was ill

237670 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richard O, 3, #1411 of 2009 🔗

Do you think he could be a somewhat overweight sex doll?

237685 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bugle, #1412 of 2009 🔗

Don’t know but prepared to give it a go

Try anything once

237706 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bugle, 1, #1413 of 2009 🔗

!?

What would the target market be?

Bestiality pervs? Wannabe Deliverance roleplayers?

237713 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bugle, 2, #1414 of 2009 🔗

Aggghhhh Bugle please, I’m about to eat in half an hour. Uuugghh

237914 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bugle, 2, #1415 of 2009 🔗

Last of the Summer Wine fans will remember the giant airborne inflatable woman.The resemblance is striking.

237964 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bugle, #1416 of 2009 🔗

Very scary image!

237714 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1417 of 2009 🔗

Only at Eton.

237759 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1418 of 2009 🔗

“The slippery pig.”

237630 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1419 of 2009 🔗

Matnav

Van Tam backwards

All making sense now

237647 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, #1420 of 2009 🔗

MatNav – does that plot the route out?

237675 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to IanE, 1, #1421 of 2009 🔗

The full description is Handycocknav

Matnav for short

237677 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to IanE, 1, #1422 of 2009 🔗

No it roots the plot out

237634 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 36, #1423 of 2009 🔗

I wondered if Bozo was going to give us a ray of hope. This is it then. Immediate future: continued restrictions. Medium term: the vaccine, laced with who knows what mystery ingredients, and the creation of a leper class. Long term: a brave new world of ultra-surveillance, superfast broadband, self-driving cars and zero-carbon aircraft. I think I want to die now.

237646 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Bugle, 9, #1424 of 2009 🔗

Right with you mate. I can’t be bothered to fight any more. I wish I didn’t feel like this.

237656 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JamesDrebin, 13, #1425 of 2009 🔗

Fight on for your/our children if not for yourself.

Read The Lord of the Rings if you need strength and determination

237693 ▶▶▶▶ Chess nut, replying to Rosie, 1, #1426 of 2009 🔗

Read Thoughts of a philosophical fighter pilot. Or Ingrid Betancourt’s book about being held hostage by FARC.

237899 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 2, #1427 of 2009 🔗

Yes. And don’t be a bloody Denethor.

237660 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JamesDrebin, 21, #1428 of 2009 🔗

It’s exhausting and I feel that way too regularly, but don’t surrender and make it easier for them. These are just mind games. There was nothing for them to announce today – they just want to keep breathing down our necks.

237666 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1429 of 2009 🔗

I divide my day up into different types of activity. Some time for serious hard work and creative stuff, some for chat here, some for digging the garden …. very therapeutic. Arm muscles stronger than they ever have been.

237694 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1430 of 2009 🔗

My guess is now that it looks like Trump is gone, the globalists (including most of our government) are breathing a sigh of relief because Biden (unlike Trump) seems to be a Covid Believer. This has probably emboldened them somewhat.

237708 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1431 of 2009 🔗

Very likely that is so. However, Trump is still President until January and he still has time to do something if he is so inclined. For a start he should sack the immensely evil Tony Fauci.

237698 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1432 of 2009 🔗

Mind games still kill, but highly likely it is way more serious than that. Agreed though, that we should never give in. Resist to the bitter end.

237676 ▶▶▶ Chess nut, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #1433 of 2009 🔗

Never surrender to these weak cowards.

237681 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JamesDrebin, 6, #1434 of 2009 🔗

Save your anger for your compulsory vaccination day and then make sure you take a vaccinator with you.

237692 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rowan, 5, #1435 of 2009 🔗

Glad I’m not the only one thinking like this!

Take one of the fuckers with you.

237762 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Rowan, 1, #1436 of 2009 🔗

Yes!! I am ready with my vaccinator!

237691 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to JamesDrebin, 9, #1437 of 2009 🔗

I have pessimistic tendencies and frequent bad days but there is some good news. The majority have proven they’re at least tiring of this shit.. The Clown Show is just that and today’s “Bugles and Toots” episode is complete laughable tosh. We still haven’t lost yet.

237717 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DRW, 2, #1438 of 2009 🔗

Keep the revolution going, we’ll get there!

237805 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JamesDrebin, 4, #1439 of 2009 🔗

Brian Gerrish wisely concluded UKColumn today by telling us:
“If you want to feel happier, DO something!”

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-9th-november-2020

You could start by writing to thank all those MPs who voted against the mockdown last week. Make them feel it was worthwhile.

I posted a list with emails today. Use control F to find me and then the list.

238189 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1440 of 2009 🔗

Yes. Wrote to a couple previously, just to say thanks for their efforts. It might do nothing, but it might inspire them just a tiny bit. Got a lovely reply a month or so ago from Sir Charles Walker – what a guy. This group of 38-39 is growing very slowly, but I think dissent is growing… Labour: forget it, they are a lost cause – though watch them do an about-turn & suddenly try to jump on the bandwagon if Boris’ position becomes tenuous!
Sir Desmond Swayne did briefly mention the PCR test once before at least, but this needs to be really encouraged and hammered in Parliament. really hammered.. because it is the root & the fatal flaw. Also if (somehow) could get Yeadon heard at a national level or at a Parliament committee or something, that would be it too…

237707 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bugle, 11, #1441 of 2009 🔗

I can sympathise as last week I had something of an intellectual crisis about all this, and stopped posting or indeed reading anything about Covid for a few days. I think I’d reached the point where I’d realised the ‘old normal’ isn’t coming back and that this is now a full on existential assault by people who are determined to change our lives for the worse, permanently.

But that doesn’t mean I’ve stopped fighting! Sartre wrote ‘life begins on the far side of despair’ and I think I’ve come out on that far side. I’m still doing my bit, writing emails, contributing financially to the struggle, trying to get people thinking where I can. But I’ve realised this is going to be a very long struggle and there are many things we may never get back.

I’ve come to the end of screaming ‘why?’ and have reached a place of quietness and acceptance that most people will never wake up to what is going on. Indeed, most people seem actively to be enjoying it. I can’t realistically fight that.

237722 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1442 of 2009 🔗

I’m going to lob something in here which will lead to many down votes. If Corbyn were in power, I doubt very much whether we would be in this current shit show. At least, whatever people think about him here, he is a serious minded politician.

237956 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #1443 of 2009 🔗

Who exactly is in power though? Because it isn’t dePiffle.
I think Corbyn wouldn’t have enjoyed it as much – and he’s hopeless at lying, while dePiffle is a brazen barefaced bullshitter. Ashworth is a twerp but, unlike Poppycock, I don’t think he’s a psychopath.
Corbyn wouldn’t have had full support of his fractured party either.

I think the outcome would probably have been the same in the end but the execution might have looked very different.

238059 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #1444 of 2009 🔗

I think that’s fair comment. Corbyn at least seems to have principles (though I disagree with most of them). I think it’s possible that if he were PM, he would have stood out against some of the worst restrictions initially, but eventually would have been steamrollered out of the way and replaced with someone more compliant, or resigned under the strain.

238194 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1445 of 2009 🔗

Agree. It isn’t a matter of character so much, was not a fan personally but thought Corbyn was probably a nice enough guy… but nice enough guys & big league politics do not mix. He literally as you say would have got trampled on – heck it happened enough in interviews, he would say something then Tom Watson, or Starmer, would butt in & undermine him.

237912 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, 9, #1446 of 2009 🔗

The old normal is coming back. Or rather, people like me are bringing it back, step by step.
At the start of the first incarceration I was graciously permitted to lead my horse around for half an hour a week. And at first I obeyed, because like all of us I was shell-shocked.
After a couple of weeks I was riding her, off road, for two hours a week.
During Dungford’s latest shitshow I was riding her for two hours a day, three days a week, including long hacks, partly on the road.
Next week we recommence jumping lessons.
The week after that, we recommence beach rides. And I no longer give a fuck for what Dungford or anybody else says.
Bring on the horse shows. That’s all we’re missing now. It will take time, but it will happen.

238062 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 5, #1447 of 2009 🔗

I’m pleased to announce that my local fitness club is going to continue operating during lockdown (via a legal loophole specific to our club, so I’d rather not mention it here as it does not apply to most places.) It started when I suggested such a loophole might be possible. I expected to be shouted down as a granny killer, but several committee members supported the idea and after legal advice, we are now going ahead.

237710 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bugle, 11, #1448 of 2009 🔗

Bright spot for me, reading between the lines, the good people of Liverpool are having none of it. Most of them have a healthy distrust of the authorities at the best of times, and this isn’t the beet of times. They dislike Boris for his insensitive comments about Liverpudlians being addicted to grief. They also have some folk memories that lead them to distrust the army being called into to supervise the civilian population.

Regarding the Brigadier’s Dr Who style presentation, what are the “unique” planning skills he claimed for the army? Assuming they aren’t planning to launch an all out assault on the recalcitrant Scousers, I expect their skills are replicated by DHL, Amazon, the Glastonbury Festival orgajusers, Police, councils and the Highways Agency to name a few. Given this is the organisation that sent soldiers into the Mad Mullah district of Basra in berets and skin-thin unarmoured jeeps, I think we can ignore the BS.

237711 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Bugle, 7, #1449 of 2009 🔗

Forget about “Boris” – he’s an evil twat.

No one is going to give you your liberties back, you’ve got to take them.

Don’t die now, in the future, our descendants will say that this was one of the most “interesting times” in human history because of what happened next.

If it all goes wrong, these people won’t even exist.

237738 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bugle, 3, #1450 of 2009 🔗

Also just noticed your very topical username, gave me a chuckle.

237769 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to DRW, 3, #1451 of 2009 🔗

Oh dear! Not intentional. It was my old dog’s nickname.

237798 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bugle, 1, #1452 of 2009 🔗

I see, I just found it searching for another comment.

237895 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bugle, 3, #1453 of 2009 🔗

I don’t. I want to live to dance on their graves.
I will and I shall.

237968 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to annie, 3, #1454 of 2009 🔗

I admire your spirit. I’m not sure how this will fall out. I don’t really want to die (yet), but what is depressing is the sheer banality of Johnson’s vision. Is there really no more to life than saving our own skin? Was it really worth sacrificing all humanity and kindness in order to avoid a contagion? Is ‘caring’ equivalent to loving? Is ‘staying safe’ the same thing as living? Is it a sign of a righteous society to have us snooping and ratting on each other? Is it good governance to set up a percentage of the population for ostracism and persecution?

All these sacrifices are made ‘worth it’, apparently, so that we can (eventually) enter Johnson’s shiny new world of gimmicks, a realm of weird austerity where all goals remain nevertheless strictly material, detached from anything our forbears would have recognised as real or meaningful – no dignity, no transcendence. Not a world I wish to share.

237651 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 5, #1455 of 2009 🔗

I guess that at nearly 6pm the covid statistic have not been published yet is so that we all wait for BJ to finish scaring us all?

237701 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Silke David, 2, #1456 of 2009 🔗

Yes, probably the stats are positive, so they didn’t want us to be lulled into a false sense of security. Bloody buffoons.

237655 Jane G, replying to Jane G, 13, #1457 of 2009 🔗

What was so wrong with the OLD normal?

237664 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jane G, 15, #1458 of 2009 🔗

Way too much freedom and prosperity for the peasants. Unacceptable.

237674 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Richard O, 2, #1459 of 2009 🔗

At least then we can pay their salaries! And buy rubbish and vote for them.

237671 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jane G, 2, #1460 of 2009 🔗

It just wasn’t the new normal.

237679 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jane G, 4, #1461 of 2009 🔗

Nothing of course.

Please – that was normality.

What we have now is not normality

Every time that sombody uses the expression ‘the new …’, then the concept is validated in an NLP kind of way.

237709 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Jane G, 3, #1462 of 2009 🔗

Well it wasn’t perfect but there’s only one normal I accept.

237715 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Jane G, 4, #1463 of 2009 🔗

1 The OLD normal was heading in this direction.

2 I did not appreciate it enough

3 Ask those living on the streets

237743 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Jane G, 1, #1464 of 2009 🔗

It lifted far too many folks in the 3rd world out of poverty.

237669 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 16, #1465 of 2009 🔗

I made the mistake of watching a bit of the press conference today. I approached it with an open mind, but JVT and Boris continue to present the ‘killer virus’ as an existential threat to the nation.

They threw in a couple of platitudes about ‘how hard it is’ (for us, not them, obviously), but otherwise there was nothing to indicate that this madness will end any time soon.

A complete waste of time.

237696 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to DJ Dod, 24, #1466 of 2009 🔗

Van Tam:

Responding to whether there will be a normal Christmas Jonathan Van-Tam said: “With time and, subject to authorisation by the regulator, once these vaccines begin to be deployed then over a period of time they will make a significant difference to the disease levels seen in the UK.”

“Whether they will reduce the transmission, we do not know yet.”

“Your job is to hold this R as below 1 as long as you can, he added. “

My job? Sod off you medico-fascist.

237705 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1467 of 2009 🔗

over a period of time they will make a significant difference to the disease levels seen in the UK

Notice how non-specific this is. Hiding the truth in plain sight. Yes, it will reduce the disease levels. Because WE are the disease that needs to be reduced.

237735 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1468 of 2009 🔗

My job, as I see it, is to remember exactly what JVT looks like so if i ever meet him I can spit in his eye.

237737 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1469 of 2009 🔗

In which case, I intend to start a Granny genocide campaign by not wearing my mask, getting as close to people so as to be able to breath on them and dipping my hands in cow dung every time I go out. That should help the NHS with eradicating the pesky grannies!

237734 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1470 of 2009 🔗

Boris said he wants to put the virus back in its box, apparently. Reminds of that IT Crowd episode where Jen really did believe the Internet was kept in a tiny box. Over to you meme creators!

237740 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1471 of 2009 🔗

When are they announcing their 30% paycut, and a 15% or so graded one for all civil servants to show the solidarity they always ask from us?

237760 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #1472 of 2009 🔗

I also heard a bit of it and an interview with someone from Welcome talking about the vaccine; I felt like I was living in a parallel universe, they did not seem to be talking about the world in which I am living. According to the WHO 80% of people are asymptomatic or mild to this virus, i.e. they are immune/resistant to serious (hospital admission) Covid whilst 20% are susceptible to serious Covid and potential death.
Consequently by my simple logic that means that 53.3 million people in the UK are already immune/resistant to serious covid by some mechanism or another, whilst 13.3 million are susceptible to serious covid. I have mentioned this in various places and everyone seems to accept that yes this is the official WHO position.
Yet listening to Father Jack (Boris) and his miserable muses you would not think we were talking about a disease that is of no personal health consequence to 53.3 million people in Britain. They talk as if anyone anywhere might suddenly die of Covid, which is clearly not the case. In the words of Father Jack ‘what the feck is going on?’

P.S. the picture of Father Jack (Boris) on the BBC almost makes it look like ????????????? well I’ll let you comment – image attached

237954 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DJ Dod, #1473 of 2009 🔗

Hopefully this will enrage those backbenchers yet further…

237672 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 20, #1474 of 2009 🔗

Cases are doubling in some area’s…
A little disingenuous methinks, my local town has 1 case but it’s now doubled to 2. Out of 150,000!!

Also according to the Prime minister 1 in 90 of us have the virus.
That’s 666,667 people!
AND in all this time I’ve yet to meet ANYBODY who has had the virus! What an amazing run I’ve had! Anybody else the same as me?

237712 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Arnie, 9, #1475 of 2009 🔗

Well no, i’ve been informed that a friends aunties cousins sister had it so seems quite endemic.

237721 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1476 of 2009 🔗

Wow. I’m so sorry to hear that. My thoughts, etc…;-)

237882 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Arnie, #1477 of 2009 🔗

thanks Arnie, means a lot. We’ll get through this somehow… 😉

237720 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Arnie, 1, #1478 of 2009 🔗

I’m suggesting this to Toby as the theme song

https://youtu.be/6WHSVOVLmNY

237791 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1479 of 2009 🔗

I was brought up on Tom Lehrer!

237729 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Arnie, 1, #1480 of 2009 🔗

Arnie, surely we must be at herd immunity level now!! Ha ha

237951 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Arnie, 1, #1481 of 2009 🔗

If 666,667 people really have the virus at any one time, then a) we must be approaching herd immunity, b) track and trace is a ridiculous proposition (it is anyway) and c) it’s about the least fatal virus known to man…

1 in 90 is the figure currently quoted by ONS. This is only for the most recent week, so surely almost everyone has had it or been exposed to it by now?

237673 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1482 of 2009 🔗

Off-topic – I read that Biden is mentioning “dark winter” again.

237700 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1484 of 2009 🔗

To be fair judging by his current appearance it could be a very dark winter for him.

237704 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Awkward Git, -1, #1485 of 2009 🔗

“dark winter” is FUN…

237683 Voz 0db, #1486 of 2009 🔗

Bla Bla Bla

Was Boris Bounced Into Ordering Lockdown 2.0?

He is always in time to end it!

237687 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 5, #1487 of 2009 🔗

Why did Boris and his chums not wear masks during that broadcast?
I have to when I’m indoors, is it one rule for one?

237736 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Arnie, 4, #1488 of 2009 🔗

This chap was unaccountably missing from the broadcast as he illustrates how logical the govt approach is:

237741 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1489 of 2009 🔗

So funny! Made my day! Want one…

238201 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Arnie, #1490 of 2009 🔗

Yes, bit horrible but ridicule is one of the most potent weapons against them.

237780 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Arnie, 2, #1491 of 2009 🔗

Not required in workplaces, certainly not civil service ones. They know something, yes?

237695 Arnie, 10, #1492 of 2009 🔗

All of this stuff that they are doing is GUIDANCE. As far as I can tell none of it is enforceable. Therefore NONE of it is going to be followed by me. No exemptions.

237703 John Stone, 2, #1493 of 2009 🔗

Of course, if you roll out hatred with the vaccine then this is highly prejudicial to assessing the affects of the vaccine. The history of vaccine contrary to VanTam has not been two centuries of seamless triumph, whatever the motives of people making them (which has never of course had anything to do with money). The swine flu vaccine was a disaster. Unless, they are actually prepared to listen sympathetically to people who report harm (and this has never ever happened in two and a quarter centuries) their word that vaccines are safe is worthless.

237723 mhcp, 8, #1494 of 2009 🔗

People laughed at the Wizard of Oz. How could a showman convince a whole land that he was a powerful wizard.

The Emperor’s New Clothes? Oh that’s a kid’s story.

All this because reported measurements were just noise.

Just think now that every bite of food you take, every sip of water that someone, someone with integrity and honesty, went through a rigourous process to make sure that was safe for you to consume.

And now just think if they were extremely lax and used vague measuring systems. And then told you it was “gold standard tested”.

We have a long way to go through to the otherside

237725 Maverick, replying to Maverick, 3, #1495 of 2009 🔗

Please can fellow sceptics tell me what the consensus is of what the goal of the UK government really is? i.e what do you realistically think is their long-term aim from imposing all the restrictive measures and controlling the public? Is it realistic to expect the majority in parliament to be complicit in that aim?

237728 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Maverick, 1, #1496 of 2009 🔗

The methodology

237816 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1497 of 2009 🔗

If there’s a case for a reasonable exception to free speech rights, it would be to ban posting those nauseating pictures of that loathsome, bullying pseudo-comedian and sworn enemy of freedom of speech.

238203 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Mark, #1498 of 2009 🔗

Consider how effective ridicule is in pointing out the stupidity of mask wearing.
We are trying to win an argument not lose gracefully.

238359 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nessimmersion, #1499 of 2009 🔗

Ridicule is fine, just don’t promote that noxious twat while you are doing it.

237742 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Maverick, 7, #1500 of 2009 🔗

Population reduction, total control over and dependency of those left, including the permanent loss of autonomy over your body and mind. Most of the MPs will be thrown under the bus along with the general public.

Admittedly this is at the extreme end of the alternative spectrum, but it’s where I see this going. The critical thing to remember here is that (so far) they are doing this with our consent.

237744 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Maverick, 6, #1501 of 2009 🔗

I feel like I’m being pushed down a corridor I don’t want to go down, clinging to everything door on the way past for something to get me out of here knowing ultimately I’ll end up through the large door at the end…..the one others are happily skipping towards.

This nightmare was probably informed by seeing Logan’s Run at a very young age.

237758 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1502 of 2009 🔗

No No. Come come now. Surely it was A Clockwork Orange?

237802 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Andrea Salford, #1503 of 2009 🔗

Watching Logan’s Run as a seven year old did some weird things to my mind.

Buck Rogers in the 25th Century was much safer territory.

237926 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, #1504 of 2009 🔗

“Threads” or “Day of the Triffids” or perhaps “Z for Zaccharia” twigged me out the most as a youngster.

237745 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Maverick, 2, #1505 of 2009 🔗

Compulsory vaccinations. There is massive returns on vaccines
& Control of people

237767 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Maverick, 1, #1506 of 2009 🔗

Keep doing it until polling has reached about 60:40 against and then U-turn. Hopefully they will mistime it and we’ll get rid of Johnson in the process but he will be doing his best greased piglet act.

237784 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Maverick, #1507 of 2009 🔗

To stay in power

237812 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Maverick, 3, #1508 of 2009 🔗

what do you realistically think is their long-term aim from imposing all the restrictive measures and controlling the public?

Depends whom you mean by “they”. If you mean the PM and his cabal, and the picked “scientists” around them, their aim is probably to evade blame for the consequences of their lockdown, at any price.

Is it realistic to expect the majority in parliament to be complicit in that aim?

Absolutely. UK MPs are selected for compliance and are policed by party structures that punish dissent outside permitted lines ruthlessly.

237814 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Maverick, 1, #1509 of 2009 🔗

Is it realistic to expect the majority in parliament to be complicit in that aim?

My ‘hope’ is, eventually, no.

My ‘fear’, on the other hand…

237830 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Maverick, 2, #1510 of