2020-11-12

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242257 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 83, #1 of 1631 🔗

I can’t think of anything clever to say. Except that those two shaven-headed goons at the top of today’s post look like they have nothing to say and everything to hide. Good morning.

242311 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #2 of 1631 🔗

Well for nothing, it was said very well.

242838 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to OKUK, 5, #3 of 1631 🔗

Pathologist: ‘Mass testing in Liverpool shows testing we have had has failed.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8d3e43Xk

A consultant pathologist has told talkRADIO the mass testing of Liverpool has proven the original coronavirus tests “failed.”

Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Dr Clare Craig said she was initially against the idea of mass testing, but “what’s happened in Liverpool has completely turned the tables.”

Mayor of Liverpool Joe Anderson has said more than 44,000 people have taken part in the city’s mass coronavirus testing pilot, which began on Friday. Dr Craig says only 0.5% of those testing were found to be positive.

“What that means is we have a really good test at showing who has definite Covid. It has shown up the testing that we’ve had to have failed.

“Mass testing the whole of Liverpool is not the key.

“We need to be re-testing people who have been misdiagnosed and get the diagnosis right.”

242348 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #4 of 1631 🔗

They look more like guys from a Soviet Show trial! Anyhow, If you all get a second, please give our podcast a try. Recorded a new episode yesterday. Should be out over the weekend!

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

242380 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #5 of 1631 🔗

it’s worrying when the people at the top resemble Right Said Fred

242422 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to crimsonpirate, 29, #6 of 1631 🔗

If only it were Right Said Fred, given they are lockdown skeptics who attended the 26th September London protest

New anti-lockdown song out soon We’re all Criminals

https://www.rightsaidfred.com/

242461 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #7 of 1631 🔗

wow, i learn something new everyday here !

242696 ▶▶▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to nickbowes, 4, #8 of 1631 🔗

Deeply Dippy was a good tune…

242890 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #9 of 1631 🔗

thanks for that-I certainly did them a disservice

242945 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #10 of 1631 🔗

Ha ha. It made me laugh that you said that given their skepticism!

242690 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #11 of 1631 🔗

They’re too sexy for your livlihood.

242492 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #12 of 1631 🔗

they look like two old lags in the prison yard planning to bully a nonce for his burn (tobacco).

242259 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #13 of 1631 🔗

Good morning everyone.
Now to read the posts or should I say the gloom and doom.

242733 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Judy Watson, 31, #14 of 1631 🔗

Good point, Judy. As much as I love my fellow sceptics, and I do, I’m finding the constant pessimism hard to bear sometimes. I’ve done enough research over the last few years, and intensely over the last eight months to be under no illusion as to where this may all going. But these are all narratives, and narratives we all have the power to change by changing our thinking, and looking within ourselves for the changes we want. I’ve had enough bleakness this year. I reached a very low point recently and it frightened me, as it was taking me to a dark place I didn’t want to go…and that’s EXACTLY where they want us to be, each in our own dark, lonely place where we’re easier to divide and control. Let’s ALL stay in the light, let’s show love, respect and patience to those we disagree and are angry with. Let’s ALL of us stick together because we ars stronger that way. We’ve got to show the way forward and we need to take everyone with us, if we want to win.

242740 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to HelenaHancart, 10, #15 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely, too many posters taking the bad guys’ plans as our predetermined future. Fuck that.

243236 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #16 of 1631 🔗

Don’t run away from the dark place, conquer it. Anti-Psychiatrist David Cooper suggested many years ago that if you dream of falling from a high place, try to go deeper and further each time.

243562 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #17 of 1631 🔗

Well said!
It can be tough and we’re here to support each other when necessary. But we must take great care not to drag people down with pessimism or we might as well give up now.

243727 ▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #18 of 1631 🔗

Double yes!! Divide and conquer is their pox-ridden strategy so ours should be the exact opposite.

242262 Gillian, 22, #19 of 1631 🔗

Not strictly on topic but there’s this Glasgow guy who posts videos on YouTube under the name “6oodfella” (NB not Goodfella). The videos might not appeal to everyone (the language is, as my mother would say, “choice”) but I find them hilarious. He takes the utter piss out of the Scottish Government’s obsession with “diversity” and “hate” crimes, and the actions of Police Scotland (the “national” police force in Scotland, the old local forces being too difficult to control by the politically motivated technocrats at the centre) in enforcing the laws. There is one video where he describes being arrested (but later released without charge) for posting an allegedly “racist” tweet which is quite brilliant in describing the absurdity of police resources being prioritised towards this sort of alleged criminal activity. Definitely worth checking out.

242263 nat, replying to nat, 34, #20 of 1631 🔗

This photo is a few months old, but think it says a lot about the balance of power in Downing St, with Boris and Hancock cowed and frightened by a red faced Whitty.

242280 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to nat, 17, #21 of 1631 🔗

Hancock is all “I need my money back from Exeter College RIGHT NOW. NONE of this was covered in my PPE course!”

242299 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to nat, 23, #22 of 1631 🔗

Thanks. That speaks volumes and only increases my contempt for Johnson and the Conservative Party. They allowed this coup. Lazy irresponsible bunch of cowards.
How did the picture get out? It looks absolutely genuine to me.
Cummings harder to see but appears a mere bystander.

242321 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Rosie, 1, #23 of 1631 🔗

Yep.

242355 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Rosie, 23, #24 of 1631 🔗

Whitty, in his on-screen TV persona, seems quite a small, mild-mannered creature – or a “wet weekend” as my forefathers would have called him. But in that behind-the-scenes picture he looks quite big and intimidating, in a classic bully pose, leaning forward. This does not make me dislike him any less. It’s just a bit disturbing, like when Kevin Spacey’s character in The Usual Suspects turns out to be Keyser Söze. (Sorry for the spoiler. But the film is two decades old, get over it.)

242444 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #25 of 1631 🔗

I was thinking of Glengarry Glen Ross . “ABC – Always be closing (everything down)”

242396 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rosie, 6, #26 of 1631 🔗

Picture appeared on LS several months ago. And, yes, it certainly would be interesting to know who leaked it.

242392 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to nat, 8, #27 of 1631 🔗

This old photo was shown on UKColumn news yesterday. Johnson looks so pathetic. I suspect things are still much the same with unelected Whitty ($40M from Gates) laying down the ‘law’.

I may use it as a sticker on my car with the caption “Who’s the Boss?”.

242468 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to PastImperfect, 7, #28 of 1631 🔗

Great idea. I took a screenshot from the UK Column broadcast, that’s why it’s not great quality.
I see Bill Gates is coming to the UK to roll out the vaccine. Who appointed him king of the world?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/13159687/boris-bill-gates-national-vaccine/

242477 ▶▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to nat, 6, #29 of 1631 🔗

Bill Gates foundation has given millions in grants to Pfizer in recent years, not surprised he’s putting in an appearance to oversee the masterplan.

242660 ▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 3, #30 of 1631 🔗

Yes he is funding all the front runners. Each way Gates.

242980 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 1, #31 of 1631 🔗

Abduct him and take him to Sherwood Forest.

242979 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to nat, 2, #32 of 1631 🔗

Looks like Number Six in the resignation scene, just before he pounds his fist on the desk.

242600 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #33 of 1631 🔗

The Boss is Bill Gates.

242977 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #34 of 1631 🔗

Who’s your Daddy, Boris?

242397 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to nat, 1, #35 of 1631 🔗

Is Mr. Cain in this photo? Is he the chap in the middle? There’s another chap (I’m sure the person is male rather than female) just to the left of Mr. Cummings – anyone know who he is? (He’s slightly more visible in previous versions which have been posted – but not much. Perhaps he brought in the coffee and stayed to listen?)

242423 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #36 of 1631 🔗

It’s a man , but I don’t know who.

242985 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #37 of 1631 🔗

Where’s Abel?

242757 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to nat, 4, #38 of 1631 🔗

UK Column featured this image yesterday. Tells us everything really. Whitty is controlled by Gates. Gates, the self-described “health expert” is the Daddy now, it would seem.

242264 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 13, #39 of 1631 🔗

I saw the picture of Dominic Cummings and got excited for a sec as thought that he might have been the one to resign. Alas.

242266 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Caramel, 17, #40 of 1631 🔗

I was hoping both of these people were arrested

242611 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #41 of 1631 🔗

More than two arrests are necessary. There’s at least five on that picture who should now be be in jail.

242265 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 49, #42 of 1631 🔗

According to Alex Belfied YouTube via Skynews Australia.
Oz will not be offering the vaccine to the elderly, pregnant women, under 12s, diabetics or the immunocompromised because it has not been tested safe enough.

Excluding several of the most vulnerable groups makes the whole exercise even more pointless and what does Australia know that our junta are not telling us.

From the roundup ‘flu d’etat’, nice one. 😅

242269 ▶▶ nat, replying to karenovirus, 17, #43 of 1631 🔗

The elderly, pregnant women, under 12s, diabetics or the immunocompromised will get the vaccine, “but only when the clinical trials prove it is safe”
What is the rush to get the rest of Australia vaccinated when there are literally zero cases now ?

242302 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to nat, 16, #44 of 1631 🔗

The Times reports that the NHS will be vaccinating one million people per week from 1 December…as you say, supposedly against something that scarcely exists… so what in fact is it for?

242324 ▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to Rosie, 8, #45 of 1631 🔗

Exactly. I think we need to unite to challenge this.

242389 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to nat, 13, #46 of 1631 🔗

I think we can forget the vaccine, as suggested in the report above. Surely no-one will be able to keep it cold enough for long enough and it will be totally impracticable?

The story of Pfizer cashing in while they can sounds all too plausible.

242676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to charleyfarley, 4, #47 of 1631 🔗

Just who has got the franchise on the thousands of ultra deep freezers now being sought? A government minister’s wife?

242986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, 3, #48 of 1631 🔗

Jamie Oliver’s bankrupt restos.

242419 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to nat, 5, #49 of 1631 🔗

How do we get the information out? The most effective way would, it seems to me, be by way of leaflets, stickers &c. So much censorship now and electronic communication so ephemeral.

242681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #50 of 1631 🔗

Yes I agree. I wonder if there are already any campaigning organisations that are covering this we could get behind? We really need unite to be effective.

242668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nat, 5, #51 of 1631 🔗

If we don’t resist we are finished. This is Bill Gates’s big chance to cull the world. His long cherished dreams are now coming to fruition and he must be a very happy man.

242333 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Rosie, 24, #52 of 1631 🔗

It’s about the Orwellian “freedom pass”. Freedom killer. Also about the concomitant wealth stripping of the plebs to engorge the super rich. And whilst at it, bump off some old ‘unproductive’ human stock by ‘saving them’ with no contact with other humans.
Predictable and pure evil. And it’s happening now and ultra quickly.

242689 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 8, #53 of 1631 🔗

Agree with most of what you say, except that the bumping off won’t be restricted to the old and work shy. They regard humans as being already 90% redundant and this is now their big chance to massively cull the main herd. Operations like Covid-19 take years of planning (and bribing), so they are not going to let this once in a lifetime golden opportunity pass them by.

242868 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Rowan, 3, #54 of 1631 🔗

Yes, you can bet that anyone with, “problematic,” opinions will be vaxxed.

Here in the US the Biden camp is making noise about hiring 100k contact tracers.

Doesn’t sound like a sanitary Gestapo at all. Nope.

242882 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Rowan, 7, #55 of 1631 🔗

Sadly Rowan, you may be right. I don’t subscribe to the singular Blofeld conspiracy pattern theory…but there is a very malign convergence of interests: money, control, fixed oligopoly, varying factions. Some scenario-modelled the impact of pandemics and planned how to exploit suchlike, IMO. Many didn’t, but have jumped on the opportunity. It doesn’t matter whether this was originated as a conspiracy. I don’t care; I can see the convergence, the opportunism and the inherent hatred of democracy and plebs. How did we plebs dare accumulate agency and property and hope and education over the past 100 years? ‘Shut up you plebs and listen to the ‘experts’ we employ! ‘

243177 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #56 of 1631 🔗

I’m not going to argue with any of that.

243181 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Rowan, 2, #57 of 1631 🔗

Ps. Rowan, I was not seeking in any way to diminish your argument by my referral to Blofeld. I do believe there are some well planned interests who try to create situations for their benefit. And that those benefits are not win win or benign. I merely wished to express that such forces are some of very many other (opportunistic) ones playing right now.

243731 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #58 of 1631 🔗

Klaus Schwab would make a perfect James Bond villain if he wasn’t already playing the villain role for real.

242806 ▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #59 of 1631 🔗

This does worry me, that the vaccine distribution challenges could be instrumentalised to create a de facto “inner party”.

243194 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #60 of 1631 🔗

If that is the plan, why not just let the virus do the job that Nature created it to do?

243734 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Caroline Watson, #61 of 1631 🔗

Did nature create it? I thought it came out the BBC newsroom, or less likely it was a lab in Wuhan.

243845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Caroline Watson, #62 of 1631 🔗

Th virus is not that calamitous, as we here know. It’s the response. Hugely disproportionate on a scale never seen before.

242498 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, 7, #63 of 1631 🔗

They will be deployed to GP and other vaccinating stations thus denuding the NHS of yet more staff from core work.

242661 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rosie, 5, #64 of 1631 🔗

Depopulation is the name of the game. Those few that survive will be mind controlled. We’ve all seen the TV shows and now it’s really coming to a place near you.

242700 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rowan, 2, #65 of 1631 🔗

The only good bit will be those who think they are in the loop (MPs, and media types) getting chucked under the bus when they are no longer needed.

242680 ▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to Rosie, 2, #66 of 1631 🔗

Especially when you consider it is only being tested to see if it is effective against mild cases.

243768 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nat, #67 of 1631 🔗

The vaccines are being tested on fit healthy adults aged 55 or under. The testing is likely about getting the dose right, as the last thing they will want are the masses keeling over in the surgery, just after vaccination. So very much better if people don’t start dropping until a few months down the road. By this time of course, the vaccination campaign will be over and hey presto, job done.

243879 ▶▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to nat, #68 of 1631 🔗

‘tested’ is the word.

242758 ▶▶▶▶ Anita Dunne, replying to Rosie, 4, #69 of 1631 🔗

Why not just vaccinate front-line NHS staff, carers, the elderly and the most vulnerable? Why do the rest of us need to be vaccinated, given that COVID symptoms are generally mild in the wider population?

243673 ▶▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Anita Dunne, #70 of 1631 🔗

Not all front line staff want to be vaccinated.

242648 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nat, 4, #71 of 1631 🔗

It’s about depopulation and it’s the same the world over. They need to get nearly all of us “done” at the same time, as people falling over shortly after the shot just might make some a little wary. Once vaccinated it will of course be too late.

243718 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rowan, #72 of 1631 🔗

The first vaccine will be fairly harmless.Its a gateway to the health passport.Remember Gates is planning 10 years of health.Plenty of tine to put something in a later vaccine when the population is truly under control.

243838 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #73 of 1631 🔗

“The first vaccine will be fairly harmless.” That might well be the case and it has crossed my mind a time or two. However, we can’t bank on it, so its a vaccine no go from dose one for me.

242797 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to nat, 5, #74 of 1631 🔗

It’s because there are zero cases that Australia is one of the few places that might actually really benefit from a vaccine. Almost everywhere else is probably close enough to community immunity.

I’ve sent an article covering this and other ways of looking at the vaccine to Toby, no idea if he will want to use it.

242973 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Commander Jameson, 3, #75 of 1631 🔗

New Zealand as well.

243183 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Commander Jameson, 3, #76 of 1631 🔗

If the vaccine only does what it seems to be doing, it’s pretty useless for Kiwis and Aussies or tourists inbound, and only mildly or not at all potentially helpful for them, if they are under the age of 70 and ravelling abroad.
If they then still want to uphold their Zero Covid strategies, they’ll have keep their strict incoming quarantine rules in place forever, at least.
Or go even further and turn themselves into Sentinel Island 2 to 5.

243839 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Commander Jameson, 1, #77 of 1631 🔗

The main benefit from these vaccines will be to Bill Gates’s bank balance.

242270 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to karenovirus, 13, #78 of 1631 🔗

This restores my faith in the Australian medical authorities if it’s true, because they have some of the most draconian vaccine regulations in the world. Any anti vaccine sentiment there is pounced upon with swift, scornful derision.

However they probably won’t allow anyone to arrive or leave until a ‘safe’ coronavirus vaccine arrives.

Which may be never.

242284 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Sceptic Hank, 9, #79 of 1631 🔗

The Australian Prime Minister has already told us we can’t fly overseas until we get the vaccine.

242288 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to nat, 52, #80 of 1631 🔗

Australia and New Zealand are now caught forever in the Zero Covid logical trap. Might as well be on a different planet. We may never be able to go there again.

A couple of months ago, I wrote a moderately sceptical email to a (then) friend in Australia, and the reply I received was a picture of a poster that read “JUST WEAR A FUCKING MASK”. She’d forgotten to delete the email thread with the friend who’d sent it to her. She’d told the friend she was going to send the picture to all friends and family who were complaining about Dan Andrews. She absolutely loved the poster and chortled “How fucking Australian is that!” I’m generally suspicious of national stereotypes, but I wasn’t aware that the self-image of Australians was that of an obedient convict joyfully helping to build his own prison.

242292 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #81 of 1631 🔗

Very much so. I have family there who simply will not discuss it. Conversations have become monosyllabic, because there is simply nothing to say.

242335 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to Sceptic Hank, 11, #82 of 1631 🔗

I know what you mean. I would have gone made if I hadn’t found places like here.

242413 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sceptic Hank, 10, #83 of 1631 🔗

Sadly, Covid seems to be as divisive a topic as Brexit, if not more so.

242709 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cranmer, 2, #84 of 1631 🔗

I have rarely experienced hostility from maskoids even if we continue to disagree on the subject; ‘concern’ might be a better word.

242867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, #85 of 1631 🔗

But my impression is that you cut quite an intimidating presence …

242731 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cranmer, #86 of 1631 🔗

Indeed it is divisive, but the vaccine should solve all that.

243003 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cranmer, 5, #87 of 1631 🔗

Much more divisive I would say. I fully respected Remainers who wanted to stay in the EU but also believed in democracy. But I cannot respect Covid nazis who want to destroy the economy and culture and everything that it is to be human. To me they seem like members of a cult and cannot be reached. They may as well join David Koresh on the other side.

243842 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cranmer, 1, #88 of 1631 🔗

Brexit was and still is a distraction for some. The long planned Covid event is the most serious situation that humanity has ever had to deal with. Most people and even some on this site have not yet got to grips with the enormity of what is really going on.

242990 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sceptic Hank, 2, #89 of 1631 🔗

‘I’ve got nothing to say, but it’s okay, good morning, good morning’…

242300 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 34, #90 of 1631 🔗

Having lived in Australia for many years (but British and living here now) I have to say that I am staggered at how compliant the people of Melbourne have been (I lived in Melbourne for a few years). It’s not the people I knew. What has happened to Aussie spirit and gumption in that state? Perhaps it’s because there are so many (Asian) migrants there I do not know. Perhaps they have upped the fluoride in the water (and I am not joking excessive amounts does affect the mind). But with dual citizenship and an Australian passport it looks like I won’t be going back there ever and especially as I won’t be vaccinated.

242329 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to Suzyv, 21, #91 of 1631 🔗

I am Australian but lived in the UK most of my life. I moved back to Melbourne recently and It’s really true that the people have changed. It is like a Dan Andrews mind control cult. We are just discovering now how he has been spending obscene amounts on spin doctors and behavioural scientists.

242420 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to nat, 46, #92 of 1631 🔗

I came of age in England in late 80s/early 90s. The era of poll tax riots, road protests, crusties, and the Hippy Convoy. It is simply inconceivable that people of my generation would have swallowed this stuff about Covid and vaccinations from a Tory government back then. They would have been rioting in the streets. Yet nowadays, utter compliance to state diktat is seen as a badge of honour for the social justice warrior!

242702 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to Cranmer, 16, #93 of 1631 🔗

Those were the days ! Do you remember a million protesters took to the streets of London to oppose the Iraq war? That’s what we need to be doing.

242717 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cranmer, 3, #94 of 1631 🔗

Same, that’s my tribe.

242738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nat, 3, #95 of 1631 🔗

“We are just discovering now how he has been spending obscene amounts on spin doctors and behavioural scientists.”

This is the same the western world over with the UK being a prime example.

243426 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Suzyv, 1, #96 of 1631 🔗

I don’t get the impression the people of Melbourne are compliant when watching anti lockdown demonstrations on youtube. There is a sack Dan Andrews Facebook page

242328 ▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 21, #97 of 1631 🔗

Dan and Jacinta are leaders of an authoritarian lefty woke cult, I don’t see what the appeal is but they have a lot of followers. It’s truly disturbing.

242362 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #98 of 1631 🔗

They will be pretty much consigning themselves to Third World status with their destruction of their travel and tourism sectors. Talk about national seppuku.

I’ve reached the point where I’m not bothered if I ever go visit Australia and New Zealand ever. In the past it would have been easy for me to go distance wise but never did because of my previous nationality (easier for me to pass through the eye of the needle than to get an Australian visa) now the issue is the reverse.

But with this lunacy, I will boycott overseas travel and if it means never seeing my family again so be it.

242872 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #99 of 1631 🔗

“ They will be pretty much consigning themselves to Third World status with their destruction of their travel and tourism sectors. Talk about national seppuku.” All the more so here in Thailand, where about two thirds of the apartments in my building are now for sale, and unsaleable. But they don’t realise it yet and won’t until it’s too late. They think the internet is going to save them somehow. That real interaction is no longer needed.
It is needed because we are human. And if real peaceful interaction is denied, it won’t be long before humans seek out interaction in the form of war.

242489 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #100 of 1631 🔗

How about a mask with “Prison Under Construction”

242707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #101 of 1631 🔗

Mask slogans are a great idea, especially if it is a co-ordinated campaign.

242713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nat, 6, #102 of 1631 🔗

Except that you need to be wearing one to make your point.

242870 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #103 of 1631 🔗

From here, it looks like Crocodile Dundee was all a big myth.

242880 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to awildgoose, 6, #104 of 1631 🔗

Don’t think Mick is much of a role model for young Aussies nowadays. He culturally appropriated the bullroarer, asked a black New Yorker what tribe he belonged to, and above all he was funny, kind, wise, respectful and fair. That shit is all so 20th Century.

242996 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #105 of 1631 🔗

Time to end that friendship haha.

243006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #106 of 1631 🔗

Already done!

243627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #107 of 1631 🔗

Nice one!

243176 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #108 of 1631 🔗

More descendants of prison guards than of prisoners….

243220 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to karenovirus, 2, #109 of 1631 🔗

This isn’t a terrible idea in theory…it’s exactly how we have herd immunity for diseases such as measles. Young babies cannot have the vaccine but that’s ok as long all the other children do, because enough people are then immune as to protect the babies.
A better idea for covid would’ve been shielding of the vulnerable whilst letting anyone who wanted to go about their normal life spend all summer spreading it amongst themselves, thus creating the herd to protect the shielded.

242267 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #110 of 1631 🔗

Let’s not forget about this: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13152253/andrew-cuomo-vaccine-roll-out-trump/
As Cuomo has proven throughout this whole thing, he’s more than ready to let people die in the name of politics.

243005 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #111 of 1631 🔗

New York Gov Cuomo has already written and published a book praising himself for the way that he handled the crisis. Go to TrendsResearch, Gerald Celente for uptodate news on him and the Mayor of New York.

243024 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #112 of 1631 🔗

One of the (many) inexplicable things about this whole Covid saga is that there’s seems to be some idea that Cuomo has somehow done well in this crisis. This despite the fact that New York has one of the highest death counts in the world, they murdered the vulnerable by sending the infected back into care homes and they paid hospitals a cash bonus for every Covid patient they had and an additional bonus for every one put on a ventilator (overuse of mechanical ventilation was later believed to be associated with a higher death rate). Still, I guess he’s a Democrat with a famous daddy so nothing else matters.

242268 nat, replying to nat, 17, #113 of 1631 🔗

The UK Column showed this contract from the the MHRA, the government drug regulatory body – it appears it is expecting a high volume of Covid-19 vaccine adverse drug reactions when the vaccine is rolled out :

The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction are missed.

https://archive.is/2JXqO

242275 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to nat, 5, #114 of 1631 🔗

That is very interesting and quite scary. thanks for the info

242743 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #115 of 1631 🔗

UK Column generally has a quite few nuggets of information that are well worth knowing.

243881 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Rowan, #116 of 1631 🔗

Yup. Highly topical, wide ranging and bleeding edge current, imho.

242277 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nat, 9, #117 of 1631 🔗

EXPECTED high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reactions.

Thanks for the heads up MHRA.

242387 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 6, #118 of 1631 🔗

An honest branch of government? Quelle surprise!

Now there’s a good question: “Minister, are you expecting a high volume of Adverse Reactions among people receiving the vaccine?”

242711 ▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to OKUK, 2, #119 of 1631 🔗

Yes everything is out in the open the days. They think they can get away with anything.

242279 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to nat, 17, #120 of 1631 🔗

Fascinating. No doubt the contract will go to an ice-cream van operator in Dorking.

I’d suggest, by the way, that this isn’t particularly sinister in itself – ADRs include even the mildest reactions and if they’re planning on vaccinating 80% of the population, they’ll certainly get a lot of those. Again, the real issue is why they’re rushing to do this with zero evidence of safety and very little of efficacy. It is logically impossible for them to rule out a thalidomide-type disaster when the supposed vaccine has only existed for a couple of months.

242283 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #121 of 1631 🔗

And the government is literally talking about imprisoning anyone who asks what about long term safety studies?

242685 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to nat, 2, #122 of 1631 🔗

They’ll probably want to shoot anyone inquiring about large volume randomised double-blind tests then …

242712 ▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to JohnB, 2, #123 of 1631 🔗

I am sure it has been suggested.

242286 ▶▶▶ Sally, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #124 of 1631 🔗

I agree with all of that. Regulatory agencies routinely receive quite a lot of adverse reaction reports relating to immunisation programs. They are bound to receive many more relating to new vaccines (including new types of vaccines) for a new pathogen. The problem lies more with the initial approval process.

242472 ▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to Sally, 6, #125 of 1631 🔗

The problem lies with the lies

242394 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #126 of 1631 🔗

An ice cream van operator in Dorking whose cousin happens to be a Tory MP . .

242464 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to charleyfarley, 7, #127 of 1631 🔗

The ice cream van operator would probably know more about what’s going on. As Brendan O’Neil said in his podcast this week “I don’t want to know what a group of prominent scientists think, can’t we hear from a group of prominent plumbers?”

242783 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kf99, 3, #128 of 1631 🔗

Yes indeed, I would back the plumbers to make better sense than the corrupt government scientists, who are advising the very corrupt UK government.

242837 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #129 of 1631 🔗

By sheer coincidence, obviously.

242779 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #130 of 1631 🔗

The gist of the UK Column piece was that volume of ADRs is expected to be so high that the their existing systems will not be able to cope. The MHRA is treating the Covid-19 vaccine roll out as an emergency, so it can by pass normal purchasing procedures. This is not normal and why casually dismiss it, as it only reinforces the other very valid points you make.

242839 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Rowan, #131 of 1631 🔗

I didn’t dismiss it. I suggested that because this is a new vaccine being urgently administered to 50 million people (in their dreams). It’s not surprising they’re planning for their systems to be overloaded with what are routine ADRs.

242294 ▶▶ snippet, replying to nat, 3, #132 of 1631 🔗

£1.5 million contract goes to Genpact for this software:
https://www.genpact.com/cora/pharmacovigilance-pvai

242339 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to snippet, 3, #133 of 1631 🔗

Well the government won’t be able to say they weren’t prepared.

242850 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to nat, 7, #134 of 1631 🔗

Our email to our (Tory) MP yesterday, blind copied to as many of his other constituents – of all political persuasions – as possible. (We’ve had a couple of positive comments from lefty friends though whether that’s from agreement with our attitude or kneejerk support for Tory-baiting is not clear!)

Dear xxxxxx,
Things move so fast these days! We are leaving aside for the moment our previous questions about Covid-19 policies that you have consistently failed to answer over the last months in order to concentrate on this:

The UK Government’s Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has, since 23 October, had this advertisement for tender on an online supplement to the Official Journal of the EU:-
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0

Included in the text is the following;

II.2.4)Description of the procurement:

The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.

Our new questions relate to this item. Can you confirm
a) that the UK Government is indeed expecting a high volume of Adverse Drug Reactions in the event of implementing vaccination programmes for Covid-19?
b) that you share this understanding?
c) that this advertisement has not been published in the UK (at this time of writing) for fear of provoking an ‘adverse reaction’ from the public ?

Also, in view of the indemnity against liability, for damages resulting from their product, already given to the pharmaceutical companies engaged in vaccine development can you explain how the £120,000 maximum payout from the taxpayer in the event of such damage might
d) enable appropriate lifetime care for anyone left with profound and multiple disabilities?
e) adequately compensate anyone for the death of a partner/parent/child/sibling whose life gave them meaning?

Could we ask that our own Member of Parliament answer this on his own behalf rather than handing it all over to an ‘apparatchik’ in the Cabinet Office?

Yours Sincerely

(AG & MW)

243730 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #135 of 1631 🔗

Excellent points Miriam.

242271 helen, replying to helen, 24, #136 of 1631 🔗

Thu 12 Nov at 02:46

Berlin Senate Administration confirms uselessness of PCR tests
Published on November 11, 2020 by VG. Corona Transition

The answer to the question of a member of parliament holds political explosives – also for the federal government.

According to information from the Berliner Zeitung, the Senate Department of Health has confirmed “that PCR tests are actually not able to detect an infection in the sense of the Infection Protection Act,” as the paper reports in its online edition. This was stated in the response to an inquiry by individual member of parliament Marcel Luthe.
The Member of Parliament asked whether “a so-called PCR test is able” to “distinguish between a ‘reproducible’ and a ‘non-reproducible’ virus”, according to the Berliner Zeitung.
The Senate administration had answered with a “No”.
For Luthe, the answer was not acceptable. That is what he had said:
“It is now urgently time to act rationally and according to the rule of law again. If even the Senate has to admit that the test numbers reported daily do not indicate an infection in the sense of the law, the ordinances also lack the basis. After all, no one can currently say whether and how many infections are actually present. The tests cost immense resources, are a billion-dollar business for the manufacturers, but are “useless for fighting infections”.
Editor’s comment: The statement of the Senate Administration, which scientifically correctly attests the uselessness of the PCR test for assessing the epidemiological situation, will put pressure on Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) and her Health Minister Jens Spahn (CDU). For now at the latest, both would have to explain why the figures on “new infections” based on PCR tests were given the weighting that led to the lockdowns in Germany.
Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

242365 ▶▶ nat, replying to helen, 10, #137 of 1631 🔗

The Germans are all over it aren’t they ! They are leading the way.

243007 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to helen, 1, #138 of 1631 🔗

Angela Merkel is not a Christian. She’s a New Age Nazi.

242272 helen, replying to helen, 32, #139 of 1631 🔗

URGENT RELEASE:

Star attorney Reiner Füllmich will sue Prof. C. Drosten and RKI President Dr. L. Wieler next week in the USA for damages in the billions
Published on November 11, 2020 by VG. Corona Transition

The US legal system allows class action lawsuits against persons in other countries.
Star attorney Reiner Füllmich, who is a member of the Corona Committee, will sue both the chief virologist of the Charité and the president of the Robert Koch Institute in the USA for damages. The lawyer said this in an interview with the Fuldaer Zeitung.
When asked against whom exactly the lawsuits would be directed, Füllmich replied:
“We are suing those who claim that the PCR test detects infections. These are above all the virologist Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten and Lothar Wieler, President of the Robert Koch Institute. The lawsuits also target politicians who have relied on Drosten and Wieler’s advice. In court we will ask why the politicians did not listen to other experts – for example the Nobel Prize winner and Stanford Professor John Ioannidis: According to him, the virus is much less dangerous than Drosten and the RKI claim. He has calculated that 0.14 percent of corona patients die. This means that the corona virus is no more dangerous than influenza.”

For Drosten and Wieler the lawsuit could become explosive. Because Füllmich ranks among the most renowned lawyers of the republic and as a founding member of the Corona committee among the most violent critics of the measures imposed in Germany.
He has been working as a lawyer in Germany and California for 26 years – “including as a trial lawyer against corporations such as Deutsche Bank, Volkswagen and HypoVereinsbank”, as the Fuldaer Zeitung writes.
source:

Corona lawyer Reiner Füllmich violently attacks RKI boss Lothar Wieler and Charité virologist Christian Drosten – 11 November 2020
Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

242780 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to helen, 2, #140 of 1631 🔗

Thanks for the update Helen

243265 ▶▶ Paul M, replying to helen, 3, #141 of 1631 🔗

THANK YOU!! Helen, I was wondering how this was getting on but could find nothing on the web.

242273 helen, replying to helen, 12, #142 of 1631 🔗

Crimes Against Humanity, fraudulent PCR Tests Taken To Court –
 Interview with Lawyer Reiner Füllmich

11 Nov 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYzb5_kax8&feature=youtu.be

243011 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to helen, 3, #143 of 1631 🔗

Fraudulent PCR Tests rolled out by governments around the world.

242276 helen, 16, #144 of 1631 🔗

Corrupt/bogus PCR test = Bogus Cases= Bogus Virus =Bogus Pandemic. Therefore
CORRURT BOGUS SCIENCE

Life in 2020 has been nothing short of bizarre on one level and horrific on another. How is it possible for almost the entire population of the western world including most of my friends and family have been be so easily duped by ‘THE SCIENCE’?

Cases cases cases…numbers in a vacuum ..meaningless numbers but to the duped they induced such fear and trembling that they have willingly abdicated their rights and freedoms to comply to the absurd and inconsistent government enforced measures (legal or otherwise) to ‘protect them’!

What will happen when news of the class action law suit reaches the ears of the faithful? It has already hit MSM in Germany it seems.

Will the news just rattle or indeed totally undermine their faith? .. a corrupt/bogus PCR test = Bogus Cases= Bogus Virus =. Bogus Pandemic and CORRUPT BOGUS SCIENCE and CORRUPT POLITICIANS.

Its not that difficult to connect the dots or is it?

Will they rise up and support the resistance and find curiosity and the open-mindedness to question just how this could have happened and is there a GRAND CONSPIRACY A FOOT ?

AFTER-ALL!!!

242278 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #145 of 1631 🔗

I’m glad that the logistics of the vaccine roll out are being discussed.When I mentioned this the other day everyone on here seemed to think the minus eighty thing was no big deal . I linked tot he Wail article and I note that the comments are overwhelmingly negative. This doesn’t seem to fit with what our (rigged) opinion polls are saying.

242282 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #146 of 1631 🔗

Yes Mail commenters are strongly vaccine hostile. One of the few downvoted.

‘The vaccine will not work only prayer will defeat the virus’

242287 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 23, #147 of 1631 🔗

Prayer won’t ‘defeat’ the virus. But it may help to strengthen people’s will to defeat the evil totalitarian brutes who are exploiting the virus in order to enslave us.

242289 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to annie, 20, #148 of 1631 🔗

Never have we more needed in our lifetimes to pray “Deliver us from evil.”

242405 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #149 of 1631 🔗

How true. We have been chosen, it seems, to be one of the generations that is confronted with evil stripped naked and bare.
Prayer has its place.

242347 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to karenovirus, 1, #150 of 1631 🔗

It’s wonderful isn’t it. I think the trolls have surrendered.

242327 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Londo Mollari, #151 of 1631 🔗

I assume that at minus 80 degrees C any vaccine would be frozen solid and take some time to thaw.

242343 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Basileus, 2, #152 of 1631 🔗

Apparently once defrosted it is active for five days in a normal refrigerator.

242366 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to p02099003, 1, #153 of 1631 🔗

Not so bad then.

242408 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, 6, #154 of 1631 🔗

Pop it in the microwave if you’re in a hurry.

242721 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 1, #155 of 1631 🔗

Yesterday hancock said 48 hours.

243619 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #156 of 1631 🔗

But he gets his numbers from an extremely faecal source.

242412 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Basileus, 7, #157 of 1631 🔗

https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/opinion/the-biggest-challenge-for-covid-19-vaccines-is-the-cold-supply-chain/

I’m reposting this from a couple of days ago – it says that the vaccine must be kept unfrozen for 1 day at 2-8 degrees, or a maximum of 2 hrs at room temperature. Obviously this is unworkable in numerous countries.

The investigations into the various vaccination programmes and how the media & government are spinning it must be our next priority,

People around me are all relieved there is a vaccine which tells me that the behavioural techniques of those in power are definitely working.

We have so much immediate work to do to undermine the propaganda.

242476 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Basileus, 5, #158 of 1631 🔗

Apparently Iceland are mooted to be getting the distribution contract

242507 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #159 of 1631 🔗

Please no – I have given up buying ice cream from Iceland as it is always semi-liquid due to inappropriate temperature control.

242364 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #160 of 1631 🔗

Also the logistics of getting the elderly target groups to the locations for the jab. Many will be in residential homes or need carers to enable them to attend, and those with dementia or learning disability will need a best interests decision to be made as they can’t give informed consent. The whole thing has been sprung on GP’s with no consideration of the staffing resource issue. Unless of course its designed to turn public opinion against them when they have to cut other services even further to carry this out.

242471 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #161 of 1631 🔗

listening to Today R4 they had people voicing concern- what escaped me was this vaccine alters DNA. Is that correct?

242554 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to crimsonpirate, #162 of 1631 🔗

It doesn’t alter DNA.

242722 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #163 of 1631 🔗

There are a lot of medical experts that have said that but they are all being censored. I posted about it earlier.

242281 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 21, #164 of 1631 🔗

Local Live
Most prominent story.
School has 100 students at home because of covid.
Turns out 100 pupils are at home because they were on a school bus from which a single child has tested positive+.

We all know that this is meaningless but they don’t report that several key frontline workers will have to stay home to look after them.
Third hand Covid.

242371 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to karenovirus, 4, #165 of 1631 🔗

100 pupils on a bus? Do you (or the writer) mean ONE bus? This doesn’t make sense. But then, nothing about this virus makes sense.

242606 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Stephanos, 2, #166 of 1631 🔗

At my school two bus loads are currently off, my daughter being one of them. Two pupils on two separate buses decided to get PCR tests so they could disrupt education for everyone else. The class bubbles of the positive PCR pupils are also off.

242652 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Foxglove, 2, #167 of 1631 🔗

Excellent! It’s going well isn’t it?

242730 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stephanos, 1, #168 of 1631 🔗

They probably quarantined any who had been on that bus anytime that day.

243015 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #169 of 1631 🔗

Third hand Long Covid.

242285 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 26, #170 of 1631 🔗

DJAustin, In response to your post from yesterday.

Sweden may well have seen a doubling every 10 days, but to the grand total of 55 people entering ICU for week 44, that’s 8 per day, in a country of 11.5 million. Yes, that’s pretty much what I’d expect for a country with significant immunity, in fact lower than I would have expected – did you not look at what the absolute size of the figures was before posting?

As regards the claim that the Swedes all socially distanced and were basically the same as other countries, that is simply not the case – see article below: they have reduced their movement but by 10-20%, nothing like what happened to us in Lockdown.

https://press.telia.se/pressreleases/svenskarnas-resande-tillbaka-paa-februarinivaaer-3004842

Even if what you say were correct, which it clearly isn’t , then that’s still massively preferable to enforced national house imprisonment to achieve pretty much the same thing – at least we must be able to agree on that ?

As regards yesterday’s excess death figures for week 44, this was running at 1,000 per week, or 140 per day, which compares to the supposed COVID deaths for that week of 1,800 (John Hopkins/ Worldometer). However excess deaths increased by
4,600 from August to September (-2060 to 2568) and in September there were only around 700 deaths where there had been a positive test in the last 28 days, so what are these excess deaths ? – some will be COVID, but a huge number are obviously deaths from other causes because of the government scare campaign and the negligence of the NHS, especially now that they are devoting their resources to relatively pointless vaccinations. In my personal experience I know of hardly anybody who has been ill from COVID in the so-called ‘second wave’ but have heard of quite a few premature deaths from other causes.

You keep on predicting London deaths will increase. You now say that deaths will grow to 20-25% nationally above mean by Christmas. Can we look at the facts, and not alarmist predictions. There was no evidence that we were going to get higher levels of admissions and deaths before Christmas – the King’s College figures peaked before lockdown, and as I’ve shown you so many times the lockdown had very little effect (you still haven’t given a meaningful answer about Sweden although I accept you have tried but pretty unconvincingly). So are you now saying that we should have stuck to the tiers ? Why would they work when lockdown clearly doesn’t ?

242312 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Laurence, 23, #171 of 1631 🔗

I applaud your attempts to reason with such people, but it’s a lost cause. For me, one of the biggest ‘philosophical’ problems with them is that they talk about ‘deaths’ as though a 90-year old succumbing to some illness or other is no different from a healthy 40-year old committing suicide or being beaten to death by a crazed Leftist rioter. The dual meaning of the word ‘death’ is being exploited cynically:

  1. ‘Death’ can be an administrative classification, applicable to a person who has passively come to the end of their days. They could finally have been tipped off their perch by any of a large number of ailments including the common cold.
  2. ‘Death’ can be applied to a person with years ahead of them who has tragically been killed due to evil, violence or negligence.

People like DJ Austin do not distinguish between the two categories. Any intelligent person can see that Covid ‘deaths’ are overwhelmingly category (1) and that policies to avert (1) will result in huge numbers of (2) – probably even more numerically than the number of (1) that would have occurred if we hadn’t bothered.

The problem is that appreciating this requires a person to hold ideas with several dimensions in their head at the same time. This is simply beyond midwits who have been seduced by ‘data’.

242315 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #172 of 1631 🔗

Your observations are to the point. They talk about the vaccine similarly as though it’s the polio vaccine protecting the healthy from a horrible disease. This vaccine’s effects could be best summed up as “we want you to suffer for a few months longer and die of septicaemia rather than a respiratory disease”.

242762 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 2, #173 of 1631 🔗

Not the polio vaccine spreading SV40 though, with concomitant cancers for the rest of people’s lives ?

242739 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, #174 of 1631 🔗

‘Midwits’. Useful word that, I must remember it. Presumably someone who is neither stupid nor particularly bright ?

242810 ▶▶▶▶ Michael Gove’s Status Bookshelf, replying to karenovirus, 1, #175 of 1631 🔗

I recommend this great video on the subject from Edward Dutton, who I think coined this term
https://youtu.be/byb3ffrBYgU

242914 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #176 of 1631 🔗

Your dual classification of deaths is an excellent and simple concept which all of us (sceptics) can use. Of course there are intermediate categories where someone might still have some worthwhile life ahead of them but fall victim to an illness which may prove fatal. But most deaths attributed to covid appear to be in your category 1.

243395 ▶▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #177 of 1631 🔗

I was giving some thought to this earlier in the week, and settled on the distinction of avoidable and unavoidable deaths, on the terms you described.

An unavoidable death is one caused by disease, organ failure or straightforward old age. In other words, ‘natural causes’. An avoidable death is one that occurs as a direct consequence of human action. While some life-threatening conditions are treatable, they’ll get you in the end no matter what.

We are being forced to avoid the unavoidable, while positively inviting the easily avoidable.

243641 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Barney McGrew, #178 of 1631 🔗

That is spot on…I find the same thing with the zealots…they love screaming about deaths deaths deaths and get very angry and emotional about it. Its partly a tactic to get you to back down as you don’t want to be labelled as callous. You have to take a deep breath and calmly point out that some deaths are more equal than others. Perhaps it would be more useful to talk about ‘life years’ rather than lives…after all thats what all cost benefit studies in health care projects do. Somehow though that has been lost in all this and it benefits the lockdown fanatics.

242313 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Laurence, 4, #179 of 1631 🔗

Excellent post, Laurence.

242643 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Laurence, -8, #180 of 1631 🔗

“Even Sweden’s public health agency admits its earlier prediction that the country’s Nordic neighbours such as Finland and Norway would suffer more in the autumn appears wrong. Sweden is currently faring worse than Denmark, Finland and Norway on cases, hospitalisations and deaths relative to the size of their population.”

https://www.ft.com/content/1e0ac31d-5abf-4a18-ab3e-eec9744a4d31

Tegnel claims immunity is a mystery. Sweden’s top virologist states that the immunity project has failed. Sweden is not exceptional other than it showed a slower decline due to less severe social distancing from April, and a more rapid increase for the same reason since September. Immunity is not protecting Sweden at the moment relative to their neighbors, nor the rest of Europe. Explain?

All-cause mortality will rise to 20-25% above 10-year mean by Christmas. That is not alarmist. It is currently 15% above the 10-year mean, and 700 above previous max (10.8k vs. 10.1k /week). Those are the facts I am afraid, you are welcome to peruse the data here
ONS report 5 year but have the full 10 years on that webpage. In April mortality was 100% above historic 10-year mean.

Tier and lockdown2 will prevent further transmission, hospitalisations and mortality rises in London and the SE. It will reduce hospitalisations and deaths in the NE and NW. Restrictions showed impressive effects in Northern Ireland and Scotland during their school holidays. Once Lockdown is ended, transmission will start to rise again but be Tier-dependent. That it starts from a low level is good news. It’s a fairly simple dynamic system. Whether Tier 3 can control spread completely is still debateable. Tier 1 does not prevent spread.

242881 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to djaustin, 3, #181 of 1631 🔗

So in Sweden deaths are very low, ICU rates are very low, hospitalisations are low but rising quickly based on positive tests which we know are highly unreliable, a critic of the system still criticises the system. Compelling story !

Meanwhile in the UK: August excess deaths -2060 Covid deaths 482, September + 2568 and 690. October (4 weeks to 30/10) 2788 and 3465. All ONS figures and show no significant correlation between COVID deaths and excess deaths.

243021 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Laurence, 3, #182 of 1631 🔗

The governmnet deliberately extended the lockdown to coincide with the beginning of the flu season.

242290 Jon G, replying to Jon G, 16, #183 of 1631 🔗

Thanks Lockdown Sceptics for keeping me sane for the last few crazy months.

But a boring off topic lead story, shit loads of ads and increasingly zany below the line conspiracy theory – it’s time for me to leave.
I’m sure I won’t be missed.

But seriously, through the early months of the pandemic this place was extremely important.

If I may leave on this note: the societal response to a nothing special new virus has been textbook mass hysteria.

It’s been myopic, western centric, class based, highly irrational and morally repugnant.

It’s undoubtedly led to more death and suffering than had we just quarantined the sick (insofar as possible), protected the highly vulnerable (insofar as possible) and just let everyone else crack on. Just like we always have when these things come along.

On most of that we all agree.

But whilst I’m sure powerful forces will opportunistically use the situation to further their agendas (why wouldn’t they?), I find all this conspiracy theory implausible.

So I’ll leave you to it.

242293 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Jon G, 7, #184 of 1631 🔗

Bye

242304 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jon G, 28, #185 of 1631 🔗

In the quotes section of this newsletter it says;
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
In my view this is the site for those who are coming to their senses one by one, it is a major step to break away from the herd and so to me it is not surprising that a site representing such people will have a range of strong views which they had to have to break away from the herd. I do not agree with some comments, i find some comments too dense and technical, but as happened yesterday, I am in my own small way trying to challenge the hysteria and I find this site useful and great in testing out some of my thoughts and ideas and garnering counter-arguments to objections that are raised with me.
And so on balance this site is doing a good job of spearheading some sort of united response to all this virus hoo-haa and nonsense. With this site there is just some chance i might help to make a change, if I left this site all I would do is go off and fume in my wood-shed and achieve nothing.

As to adverts, it is simply a question of how do you finance what is in effect a free daily newspaper? If we had all contributed twice as much we may not need adds. But at is ‘someone has to pay the price’. I hate the adds on Talk Radio but I still listen as I have no idea how else it could be funded.

242307 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #186 of 1631 🔗

What were you doing yesterday?

242317 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Rosie, 6, #187 of 1631 🔗

Attempting to counter some of the arguments raised by some of the lock-down enthusiasts who were raising adverse comments and objections to the setting up of the Covid Recovery group of MPs.

242480 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #188 of 1631 🔗

When we have a government and a scientific group who are clearly lying to the public and have so much disdain for the public, trust will be lost and all kinds of theories about what is going on will naturally be put forward, why wouldn’t they, in an attempt to make sense of what is happening.

I am so grateful that Toby took the risk to set up this site and for all the information and kindness everyone here has shown. I too would have been lost without the support of this site.

242746 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, #189 of 1631 🔗

For the same reason I view short ads on YouTube that don’t actually offend me as they fund the host to a small degree.

242308 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jon G, 16, #190 of 1631 🔗

What can be implausible about the concept of a cartel of powerful people?. Nothing new about that. Anyway carry on finding ways to keep people out of masking mania.

242337 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Rosie, 11, #191 of 1631 🔗

It’s not as if we can’t point to examples in the recent past where entire societies became brutally ‘locked down’ for decades, victims of ideology; where any rational person would have decided that the price for chasing this ideological perfection was way too high, but it happened nevertheless.

242728 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Rosie, 4, #192 of 1631 🔗

It’s getting harder and harder to come up with any other conclusion.

242323 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Jon G, 4, #193 of 1631 🔗

You’ve asked some good questions on this site. One of the problems on here is that too few people ask difficult questions which challenge the lockdown sceptic narrative.

Your paragraphs 3 to 6 above demonstrate a clarity of thought which is increasingly missing here.

242345 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jon G, 12, #194 of 1631 🔗

I’m not one for conspiracy theories either. But this site is not pushing any particular theory, nor is it trying to persecute and silence those who disagree with any particular idea.
Truth will out, if debate continues. If you leave, the debate is impoverished.

242475 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jon G, 4, #195 of 1631 🔗

Sorry to see you go, JonG. Understand and agree with what you say – it does feel like fighting a war on two fronts sometimes! Wish you well, and hope you change your mind. All the best mate.

242497 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #196 of 1631 🔗

“But whilst I’m sure powerful forces will opportunistically use the situation to further their agendas (why wouldn’t they?), I find all this conspiracy theory implausible.”

You contradict yourself.

‘Powerul forces’ ‘pushing agendas’ is by definition a conspiracy, whether opportunistic or not.

242665 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, 1, #197 of 1631 🔗

I didn’t say that, but since you addressed it to me…

Agenda: things to be done; programme of business (eg manifesto)
OPEN

Conspiracy: banding together for a purpose, often secret, often unlawful; a plot
SECRET

Just sayin’.

242525 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Jon G, 8, #198 of 1631 🔗

Must be awful for you, the company of us plebs. Hope you find a place totally in lockstep with you where you can have absolute control.

242539 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Jon G, 12, #199 of 1631 🔗

Why would anyone announce leaving this site/forum?

Seems like attention seeking stomping off.

242735 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to stewart, 7, #200 of 1631 🔗

It’s called a public flounce. And yes, that’s essentially what it is. “You’re wrong, I’m right, I’m leaving, so there”. Not exactly a tolerant attitude is it. United we stand, divided we fall. It’s just more divisive bullshit.

242825 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Jon G, 1, #201 of 1631 🔗

There’s no reason to leave if you don’t want to .I for one totally agree with you and am not into the conspiracy stuff . If you don’t agree with certain people just ignore them or if you think they’re mental and working against the anti lockdown cause you have a choice either argue it out or move on .Just stick to the topics you feel are important .

242828 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Jon G, 1, #202 of 1631 🔗

I’ve enjoyed your debate Jon G.

242291 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 11, #203 of 1631 🔗

“He is worried that they will use the new vaccine news as a “carrot” to keep us locked down for the next three months”

Yep.

242342 ▶▶ annie, replying to mattghg, 3, #204 of 1631 🔗

I think I could deal with a carrot lock.

242923 ▶▶ Edward, replying to mattghg, #205 of 1631 🔗

Not sure the public will buy that one.

242295 nat, replying to nat, 5, #206 of 1631 🔗

Some doctors have claimed that the new mRNA vaccines , which includes the corona vaccines and haven’t been used before, will alter our DNA. All the articles and videos I had seen previously have now been removed, and the “fact approved” sources take great pains to explain we are not being genetically modified.

From Harvard:
I n the case of DNA- or RNA-based vaccines, no antigen is introduced, only the RNA or DNA containing the genetic information to produce the antigen. That is, for this specific class of vaccines, introduction of DNA and RNA provides the instructions to the body to produce the antigen itself .They can be injected in various ways and then they can enter our body’s cells. Those cells will use the RNA sequence of the antigen to synthesize the protein .

So this witches brew of foreign DNA is going to synthesise with my own cells. Yeah, no thanks.

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/rna-vaccines-a-novel-technology-to-prevent-and-treat-disease/
.

242301 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to nat, 4, #207 of 1631 🔗

Isn’t that what viruses do though? It’s nothing new.

That said, I wouldn’t be jumping to get in the queue for it either. Certainly not for a virus that is hardly likely to harm me.

242318 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Sophie123, 7, #208 of 1631 🔗

That might be like saying genetically modifying a tomato with the genes of rats is the same as conventional cross breeding plants. I am not sure because I am not a doctor, I can only say there are many medical experts saying that these vaccines alter our dna. What is new is that these experts are being silenced – debate is prohibited.

242340 ▶▶ annie, replying to nat, 4, #209 of 1631 🔗

Imagine that being injected into a frail 85-year-old.

242359 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to annie, #210 of 1631 🔗

I know.

242385 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to annie, 2, #211 of 1631 🔗

And the risks outweigh any potential benefit. For the three vaccine front runners , a vaccine could meet the companies’ benchmark for success if it lowered the risk of mild Covid-19, but was never shown to reduce moderate or severe forms of the disease, or the risk of hospitalization, admissions to the intensive care unit or death.

242774 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to nat, 6, #212 of 1631 🔗

Correct. The messenger RNA (mRNA) gives instructions to the DNA in your body until the day you die. You cannot detox / remove this instruction. They do not know what these instructions could do to the body. We are all different and our bodies react differently resulting in different outcomes over different periods of time. Some people might be ok, some might develop autoimmune diseases or other illnesses or some might die.

Always do independent research before you decide to take a vaccine or a prescribed drug and then make an informed decision to take it or not

242832 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to nat, 2, #213 of 1631 🔗

Nothing to see here…

Eight percent of our DNA consists of remnants of ancient viruses, and another 40 percent is made up of repetitive strings of genetic letters that is also thought to have a viral origin. Those extensive viral regions are much more than evolutionary relics: They may be deeply involved with a wide range of diseases including multiple sclerosis, hemophilia, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), along with certain types of dementia and cancer.

https://www.cshl.edu/the-non-human-living-inside-of-you/

242297 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 9, #214 of 1631 🔗

Urgent request to techies.

Reiner Fuellmich’s videos and transcripts are being cleared off the internet. Please download, backup, save or whatever you clever people do.

To save ourselves from what we face we need all to work at the grass roots..
..plus the lawyers need to take it on at the top. Fuellmich is taking the lead. Please view his work and spread the word.

242306 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 4, #215 of 1631 🔗

Please read series of posts from Helen below to learn more

242691 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Rosie, 4, #216 of 1631 🔗

It’s no surprise. He’s taking legal action against Drosten, that’s bound to poke the nest.

242303 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 69, #217 of 1631 🔗

I had a look this morning at the newspaper front pages on the BBC website and three things struck me:

  • The heart-wrenching photo on the front of the DM of the old lady kneeling on the other side of a fence to get a glimpse of her wheelchair-bound husband who is in a ‘care’ home. How this level of inhumanity can be deemed acceptable is just beyond me.
  • The image of Alexander Johnson on the front page of the DT. What a complete and utter shambles he looks. Not in the slightest prime-ministerial and on Armistice Day of all days.
  • The suggestion that Carrie Symonds is now issuing diktats on staffing at No. 10. I don’t recall voting for Ms Symonds any more than I recall voting for Marcus Rashford.
242305 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 11, #218 of 1631 🔗

They would give the Borgias a run for their money (hope I’ve spelt Borgias correctly)

242338 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #219 of 1631 🔗

For every drop of blood the Borgias may have had on their hands (taking account of five centuries of scandalmongering), our Fascist tyrants have a gallon.

243308 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 2, #220 of 1631 🔗

“…….our Fascist tyrants have a gallon.” And so much more blood on the way.

242322 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 14, #221 of 1631 🔗

She is a plant and normally wouldn’t give the fat slob a second glance

242331 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 8, #222 of 1631 🔗

Re. your first point: every time ‘protecting the vulnerable’ is written or spoken my heart sinks and I think, well that translates into care home and hospital rules regarding visits will continue.

242803 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to kh1485, 4, #223 of 1631 🔗

Or for Klaus Schwab….

242309 Sally, replying to Sally, 8, #224 of 1631 🔗

The campaign to make the vaccine de facto mandatory is getting under way. From Tom Harwood :

This is reasonable – by all means refuse the vaccine, but if you do with no valid exemption then don’t expect the same access to state run services. Including schools or the NHS.”

This guy might be a nobody for all I know (I’m Australian), but I expect many others will say the same thing.

242310 ▶▶ nat, replying to Sally, 10, #225 of 1631 🔗

They are, all over the world. We have to unite to challenge this.

242320 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sally, 12, #226 of 1631 🔗

They are all nobody’s trying to run the life of somebody. Parasites

242344 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Sally, 7, #227 of 1631 🔗

I can’t believe it! I thought this bloke’s USP was that he was supposed to be a young libertarian. Like Liddle and Phillips, people you thought you understood come out with the most unexpected drivel.

242483 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #228 of 1631 🔗

Under every self proclaimed Libertarian is a fascist in waiting!

242777 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, #229 of 1631 🔗

Err, bollocks.

243662 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #230 of 1631 🔗

Yes Melanie Phillips has been awful….yet she has the cheek to talk about dodgy science and the abandonment of reason. Seems like she has gone back to her old pals who once banned her from lunch outings. Will they have her back though? I have long been dubious of the label ‘libertarian’…I dont think its a serious political position. Under pressure it bursts…it has no real philosophical grounding.

242351 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sally, 8, #231 of 1631 🔗

” … don’t expect the same access to state run services …” Yeah, because everything the state does is bloody marvellous.

243667 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to kh1485, 1, #232 of 1631 🔗

He obviously has not noticed that most state run services have banned access to them lately anyway….how many operations have been postponed indefinitely, how many kids are ‘self isolating’ off school…how many police are unable to attend a burglary due to ‘lack of resources’ etc.

242374 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Sally, 8, #233 of 1631 🔗

The idea that one needs a ‘valid exemption’ to justify refusal of something that is supposedly voluntary shows just how perverted thinking on these issues has become.

242383 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sally, 5, #234 of 1631 🔗

Cool, those of us that have a brain, won’t be paying for these services

242404 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #235 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely. I look forward to a reduction in my National Insurance contributions and income tax.

242470 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Sally, #236 of 1631 🔗

I think the argument will be along the lines that you need a yellow fever certificate to travel to/from certain countries so what’s the difference?

242636 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to arfurmo, 1, #237 of 1631 🔗

I can understand it for international travel to countries where this will be mandated, but it is still a matter for choice.

242481 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sally, 7, #238 of 1631 🔗

I paid N. I. contributions for longer than he has been drawing breath! He can F. O.

242500 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Sally, 6, #239 of 1631 🔗

That’s all fine. Don’t tax me for it and I won’t use it. The NHS is not free. It’s a paid for service.

242530 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sally, 6, #240 of 1631 🔗

If that’s the case, can I get a refund? Especially with National Insurance as anyone with a brain knows that’s nothing but a Ponzi scheme.

242775 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sally, 2, #241 of 1631 🔗

Tom Harwood looks about 12. The arrogance of youth seems to make him believe what he has to say is important. Twat.

243670 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to JohnB, #242 of 1631 🔗

Who cares what he has to say…has he started shaving yet? He makes Owen Jones look mature.

242314 Eliza P., replying to Eliza P., 4, #243 of 1631 🔗

I’m still wondering if I’m correct in remembering that we were once told the order of priority for a Covid vaccine would be in order of necessity first (ie younger people – because they are more likely to still be working and/or still bringing up children) and then working up to older people later? If my memory serves me aright on this – then I wonder why it’s now due to be done in order of oldest first and then working down the agegroups. Though, of course, we are well aware that older peoples income is likely to be pensions and older people are more likely to need healthcare generally (and therefore might be regarded by some as “useless eaters”). If my memory is right that the order of priorities for receipt of the vaccine has been changed from “most useful first” to “eldest first” then that makes me even more suspicious of the vaccine than I was. (NB: I say this as someone that is deemed to be in current tranche 5, the 65-69 agegroup and my own income comes from pension these days).

242436 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Eliza P., 5, #244 of 1631 🔗

Unless there’s strong evidence to the contrary it seems pointless giving it to the young as I do not believe there was any measurement of how much it reduced the infectiousness of the vaccinated. If it doesn’t, why bother? The young don’t need it and the unhealthy old probably shouldn’t have it.

242657 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Eliza P., 1, #245 of 1631 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination
This Vaccines Committee order of priority is dated 25 Sept. Interested to know if you, or anyone, recall an earlier version saying the opposite of what they now advise?
They also say that no cost benefit analysis enters into the priorities – on the rather odd grounds that the pandemic emergency is too urgent to do so. The priorities appear similar to flu, i.e.on grounds of susceptibility to bad outcomes not utility to society.

242316 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 35, #246 of 1631 🔗

The MSM more and more is “tweaking”the facts to suit their narrative.
TV news reported on a 79 year old man who died WITH Covid and it was reported that he was overweight, had type 2 diabetes and suffered from asthma.
Pictures of this gentleman suggested that he was very overweight (obese?)
According to the report he lived life to the full being a member of a rock tribute band and also a biker, a life truly “lived to the full”
My sincere condolences to his family for the loss of a husband and father and I have made these comments with the greatest respect and to have had such an obviously much loved man in your family must be a great comfort.
Any other time the MSM would have used this story to warn against the dangers of being overweight and the associated problems such as diabetes; if people think I am being disrespectful, I am definitely not, I just want the MSM not to “fashion” a sad story to push their views.

242319 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Fingerache Philip., 44, #247 of 1631 🔗

And in other news, reports are coming in that a 79 year old man has died. This marks the first time a man aged 79 has ever died and scientists are concerned that this could indicate that men, and perhaps even women, over the age of 78 may, in fact, die.

We’ll now go live to our Health Correspondent, Fiona Appleshape. Fiona, this death seems to have confounded some of the public health experts, what possible explanation for it have they come up with?

242350 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark H, 8, #248 of 1631 🔗

Thank you for your support, Mark, I agonized for quite a while before I posted it, as I didn’t want it to appear as if I was disrespectful.

242553 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #249 of 1631 🔗

Don’t worry about it FP. You and many other posters on this site demonstrate very clearly the humanity that those who rule our lives are lacking.

242629 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to charleyfarley, 2, #250 of 1631 🔗

Thank you, Charley.

243675 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #251 of 1631 🔗

You were not being at all disrespectful. Its the MSN that is doing that by using the case to push their evil narrative. Keep doing what you are doing!

242325 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 13, #252 of 1631 🔗

Latest from The Bernician. Should stir up the ‘nest of vipers’.

COVID-1984 UPDATE |11-11-20COVID-1984 PCP UPDATE | At 11:11 pm on the 11th day of the 11th month, charges of criminal fraud by non-disclosure were laid against the secretary of state for mandatory vaxxtermination.

He has been charged with knowingly failing to disclose to MPs that the fake government lurgy was reclassified as not being a Highly Contagious Infectious Disease, before they voted on the treacherous Coronavirus Act 2020.

Had he done so, there can be no doubt in the mind of any reasonable individual there would have been no possible justification for its enactment.

242349 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Basileus, 3, #253 of 1631 🔗

HCID. Yes, our MP admitted to us that he wasn’t aware that this had happened.

242354 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Margaret, 11, #254 of 1631 🔗

Margaret, as many of us said to you the other day it was his job to find out. He draws a high enough salary and was negligent, as are all the others, to not look into this himself. I’m pretty sure his post bag had a lot of indicators in it but he’s chose to just consume the information the Secretary of State deemed to give him.

242409 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to steph, 5, #255 of 1631 🔗

Totally agree Steph. I was actually quite shocked by how little he, and presumably other MPs, knew about SARS-COVID 2.
I had been writing to him for months with facts and figures including the HCID information.

243677 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Margaret, #257 of 1631 🔗

Ignorance of facts is not a valid legal excuse ……

242772 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, 4, #258 of 1631 🔗

Why wasn’t he aware ? we have been for months.

242357 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Basileus, 6, #259 of 1631 🔗

I feel wary about the claims made at the Bernician. Didn’t they state that 10 MPs had resigned some weeks ago in fear of the action they said they would be taking? Would that not have come out by now if true?

242369 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #260 of 1631 🔗

Yes, I understand your reservations, but on the plus side he seems to have gained a lot of credibility through his mortgage fraud work. We will soon know whether it is all ‘smoke and mirrors’ in which case his credibility will disappear overnight. On the other hand ….

242418 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basileus, 3, #261 of 1631 🔗

Amazing that he didn’t know, unless he’s lying, again

242697 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Dan Clarke, #262 of 1631 🔗

The consequence of designation as an HCID, such as Ebola, is that all patients must be transferred to and treated in (from memory) one of only 2 hospitals in England, in London and Newcastle. The other nations have one designated hospital each.
Presumably this was recognised to be impractical as Covid patient numbers went up. Presumably also it was decided that the illness could be treated in most hospitals if appropriate PPE was used. I don’t know, I’m not a doctor.
Does the Bernician know this? The information is on the gov website.

242330 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 11, #264 of 1631 🔗

It’s uplifting to realise amidst all the nonsense there are such wonderful human beings that we can look up to like the Irish doctor Dr Marcus De Brun. Below is a link to the video (Un)Masking the truth with Dr Marcus De Brun

Dr Marcus DeBrun (GP), resigned from the IMC following the complete neglect by the HSE, our government and NPHET to adequately provide for the care of the elderly in Irish nursing homes during the early days of the Covid19 crisis. He felt his only option to raise awareness, was to speak out publicly at a Health Freedom Ireland Rally in August 2020. He paid a high price for listening to his conscience and telling the TRUTH. Listen to his story here and see the doctor and the man behind the story. It’s very insightful piece into how truth telling is not viewed favourably in this country


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Kn_OseTbk&feature=youtu.be

242334 ▶▶ annie, replying to Freecumbria, 10, #265 of 1631 🔗

A man of integrity. So vanishingly rare, so precious.

242356 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to annie, 5, #266 of 1631 🔗

Hopefully there will come a time soon when such people are recognised.

242332 alw, replying to alw, 10, #267 of 1631 🔗

So the healthy asymptomatic will be tested and those suffering serious health problems will continue to to be denied access/treatment to medical services? I am lost for words.

“https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8933375/Mass-Covid-testing-scheme-Liverpool-rolled-66-authorities.html.” and

”https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/gps-in-england-will-scale-back-care-to-deliver-covid-vaccines

242336 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 4, #268 of 1631 🔗

And the Grauniad zombies applaud loudly, I presume.

242341 swedenborg, 8, #269 of 1631 🔗

The difficulties with zero C-19 policy in summer NZ. One new case without contact in the community working in a dep store (with mask).Another in the community connected with MoD outbreak connected with isolation facility. Reconsidering an Auckland lockdown?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-two-new-community-cases-say-chris-hipkins-and-ashley-bloomfield/55ZLD4ETLFJGY3YUQRHV6W43KE/?ref=readmore

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-co-owner-of-store-where-new-case-works-says-ministry-has-it-wrong-as-goff-goes-on-attack/BNDW6PVIMUQRQAJ6Q7Y5QR3DGA/
https://twitter.com/covid19nz/status/1326767789529509891

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/fresh-covid-outbreak-in-new-zealand-as-auckland-university-of-technology-student-tests-positive-c-1566556

“Panic never helps with COVID-19. We’re still in the very early stages of this case investigation,”(Dr Bloomfield)
The new case, a woman aged between 20 and 29, became symptomatic on the morning of November 9 and was tested on the 10th.
The positive test was confirmed this morning and the woman has been moved to quarantine today.
Health officials are going through the woman’s movements to contact trace and try to ascertain the source of the infection.
The woman lives alone, has limited community outings and is a student at AUT but hasn’t been to classes since mid-October so there isn’t a concern of transmission on campus.
She works at the A-Z Collections store in High St. The individual went to work at A-Z Collection clothing store in High Street, Central Auckland from Sunday 8 November to Wednesday 11 November in a customer facing role, as a shop assistant. They were wearing a mask while working
Director general of health Ashley Bloomfield said officials were “urgently working” to work out where the woman was infected and are doing genome testing.
New Zealand also recorded a second community case on Thursday in Wellington, an already-isolating close contact of a defence force worker with links to a quarantine facility.
Bloomfield said he didn’t want to pass judgment on the woman who got the test but then didn’t stay home and didn’t have information on whether she was advised to stay home.

242352 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 10, #270 of 1631 🔗

Boris is “feeble, ineffectual and pathetic” at 55. What will he be like at 75?

242517 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Stuart, 3, #271 of 1631 🔗

Like Biden

242519 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Stuart, #272 of 1631 🔗

Gone?

242608 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Stuart, #273 of 1631 🔗

Don’t worry, Walpole was the last PM to be in office 20+ years.

242353 swedenborg, 5, #274 of 1631 🔗

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2020/11/lockdowns-make-time-stand-still/ Lockdowns Make Time Stand Still
 Quite a good article worth a read about the futility of our approach

242358 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 41, #275 of 1631 🔗

Anyone here worried that the ‘Overton Window’ of liberty is shifting? That we are forgetting the old normal, and effectively ‘starting from here’ when we argue against government policies?

‘Are we allowed to visit our friends this week?’ was an amazing novelty six months ago, but is now the default position. Even we at LS may gradually forget that there was once a time when you could just walk about, going into shops and pubs without fear, inconvenience, humiliation, physical discomfort.

The government has been amazingly tenacious in its policies to ruin our lives and, whether deliberate or not, they have opened a Pandora’s box of crazy, stunted, pygmy zealots who always hated their fellow human beings and are now being given the chance to wreak their revenge.

242363 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #276 of 1631 🔗

‘Hope’ remained in Pandora’s box after it was opened.

242367 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #277 of 1631 🔗

Yes, very worried about that. This has already gone on far too long for most people to spring back naturally into old habits even if the opportunity to do so we’re there (which I no longer believe it will be). Far too many people seem to see themselves as leaves blowing on the wind and to see free will as a distasteful notion that involves far too much personal responsibility.

243682 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #278 of 1631 🔗

As a fellow Telford resident have you seen these awful mobile electronic signs the council have been putting on all the major roads saying ‘stay home…essential travel only’ What kind of big brother bullying is this? Its hard to believe my council tax money is being spent on such hectoring twaddle. Since when did some useless council get to decide if my journey was important or not?

242370 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Barney McGrew, 30, #279 of 1631 🔗

Yes, I hear the refrain “are we allowed to?” over and over again.

And yesterday I nearly blew (yet another) gasket when I saw an advert for Tesco with mask-wearing and (anti) social distancing being presented as ‘normal’, fun and just a bit of a lark.

242375 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 15, #280 of 1631 🔗

Yes, I’d advocate keeping a list of all the corporations who are putting masked characters in their adverts so we can boycott
but it’s turning out to be them all! Particularly egregious to me are the cute Christmas ones.

242381 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 16, #281 of 1631 🔗

Exactly. There’s a particularly hideous one for Hilton Hotels (someone mentioned a few weeks ago). There’s a be-masked woman trying to engage with a baby, it’s absolutely horrible.

242399 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kh1485, 6, #282 of 1631 🔗

Here it is . The pro-muzzle propaganda begins at 14s.

The ad was made by Publicis .

242411 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #283 of 1631 🔗

looks ridculous

242506 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #284 of 1631 🔗

“Our role is to help our clients Lead the Change in their businesses by being their preferred creative partner for their own marketing transformation.”

“Our role is to help our clients Lead the Change in their businesses by being their preferred creative partner for their own marketing transformation.”

Arthur Sadoun
CEO PUBLICIS WORLDWIDE

242614 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Mabel Cow, 11, #285 of 1631 🔗

And what the fuck is “mum” doing putting her hand over her mask? Because she has now just transferred whatever shit was on the mask to the child. FFS.

242671 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Mabel Cow, 10, #286 of 1631 🔗

Made me puke. So many embedded references, brainwashing. Despicable.
Ignorance is strength, indeed.

242552 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to kh1485, 13, #287 of 1631 🔗

Yes I remember that one. Had a complete meltdown when I saw it. No words were too foul and no volume level too high when it came to expressing my feelings about what that vile creature was doing to that poor child, and encouraging others to do the same.

My other half was horrified at my response. Personally I think it was entirely appropriate and proportionate

243689 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to DomW, 1, #288 of 1631 🔗

My OH is often horrified….she just says chill out…I wish it was that easy.

242398 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to steph, 10, #289 of 1631 🔗

The other night there was a new air ambulance programme on the box from Cornwall. Attending to an elderly chap who had fallen down a cliff in Cornwall and with suspected stroke. Lying there confused with a face mask on and all the attendants similarly. I know NHS insist on masks for all but this looked totally inappropriate.

243405 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steph, 3, #290 of 1631 🔗

Best thing to do is minimise all contact with corporations anyway, eg:

  • buy second hand wherever possible – this also means less tax to the government
  • stay in air bnbs or small family run hotels, pubs etc, not the big corporate chains
  • grow/forage as much food as possible, buy the rest from small local shops, farms etc
  • don’t stream programmes with ads or click through to corporate ads online, as this will just add to their effectiveness
  • reduce/repair/reuse etc
  • use local bartering/freecycle groups etc
243691 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cranmer, 1, #291 of 1631 🔗

Great advice ….I do some of those already but thanks!

242376 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Barney McGrew, 27, #292 of 1631 🔗

The rot has gone too far. Fully 80% of our fellow-citizens are now irreparably psychologically damaged and can be written off.

242382 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Stuart, 13, #293 of 1631 🔗

Survival of the fittest, mentally that is?

242446 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #294 of 1631 🔗

Agreed.

242510 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Stuart, 10, #295 of 1631 🔗

Correct, I have been saying this for months. Can’t help anybody that does not want to help themselves. I for one I’m done trying to convince people, Ignorance is bliss and long may they enjoy it.

242523 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Thomas_E, 1, #296 of 1631 🔗

They’ve bought it on themselves; no Sympathy whatsoever.

242563 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #297 of 1631 🔗

Trouble is – they have also brought upon the rest of us.

243693 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #298 of 1631 🔗

I have given up too…I just see them as cult members/collaborators…and that includes some of my own family. I certainly have no desire to see them at Christmas!

243692 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Stuart, #299 of 1631 🔗

We need a new planet to escape to…I just find I enjoy the company of animals more than most people these days. If you have them as neighbours they dont grass on you either.

242438 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #300 of 1631 🔗

I think you’ve got to try and separate the public message from what is actually happening on the ground. All I see is people carrying on with their lives the best they can. A small percentage are sticking to all of the rules and a larger proportion are just plain hypocrites.

242569 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #301 of 1631 🔗

Well,I ignore it and carry on as normal. (Not “old normal” btw, just normal)

242782 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #302 of 1631 🔗

Nobody I know is paying it the slightest attention, visiting friends and family with what used to be called gay abandon.

243409 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #303 of 1631 🔗

I would imagine that a fair amount of ‘gay abandon’ is also being practiced with ‘gay abandon’ at the moment.

242360 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #304 of 1631 🔗

Andy Burnham being tortured by Julia on TalkRadio.. he is one heck of a thicko.

242379 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 4, #305 of 1631 🔗

That’s an insult to a thicko.

242361 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #306 of 1631 🔗

Carrie Symonds works for Oceana.. a Rockerfeller entity.

242427 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chaos, 11, #307 of 1631 🔗

Would you know it. So many of these people are just feeding from the same bowl.

243696 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to chaos, #308 of 1631 🔗

Yes she is a fully paid up ‘great reset’ supporter. She is partly why Johnson is now beyond hope and beyond contempt.

242368 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #309 of 1631 🔗

Anyone have a little house for rent.. I will love it, paint it.. fix anything that ever goes wrong. My landlady might be made redundant cos of covid…

243411 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to chaos, 1, #310 of 1631 🔗

Hi Chaos. I might know of something coming up soon – East Anglia – if that is any good to you.

242372 Stuart, replying to Stuart, #311 of 1631 🔗

Mass testing to be rolled out in 67 local authorities, following the successful trial in Thickpool.

Does the army have sufficient resources; tanks, APCs and the like? What about the billeting of troops in local hotels, some now full of asylumites? Prepare to throw open your homes to support the war effort.

242846 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Stuart, #312 of 1631 🔗

… Thickpool.

You what ?

243156 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to JohnB, 1, #313 of 1631 🔗

Hang about! scousers may think they invented popular music, comedy and footy.. but thick ? no way.

243480 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #314 of 1631 🔗

We may not have invented them, but we’ve definitely taken all three to previously unattained heights. 🙂 🙂 🙂

242373 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 7, #315 of 1631 🔗

I know it’s the daily mail and can’t necessarily be trusted but this concept of a freedom pass for those who test negative terrifies me.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8940421/The-daily-5-Covid-19-test-result-15-minutes-key-opening-venues.html

242424 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Chloe, 10, #316 of 1631 🔗

Don’t worry, a community of non compliant freedom lovers will welcome you and your family.

Listen, stand your guard against these threats. Such articles are gaslighting at this point.

243282 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #317 of 1631 🔗

2020, Year of the Living Dead.

242526 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Chloe, 5, #318 of 1631 🔗

If it is to have any meaning it will need to be time limited. A negative test is valid only until the bearer meets another person.

243281 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Chloe, 1, #319 of 1631 🔗

Don’t be terrified, organize!

242377 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #320 of 1631 🔗

If this is all true, historians of the future will be mentioning Carrie Symonds in the same breath as the Dowager Empress Ci Xi of China – Machiavellian, presiding over a corrupt court, exerting influence behind the curtain, etc, etc.

I didn’t vote for her so what the feck is she doing? If she wants to exert power and influence then stand for public office and have your policies held up to scrutiny.

In the end this doesn’t really surprise me as there has long been rumours of corruption swirling about Number 10 and Johnson himself. But what is clear is that this whole “scamdemic” reeks of corrupton not just emanating from Downing Street but also includes Westminster, the devolved governments and local authorities.

242390 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #321 of 1631 🔗

Carrie Symonds is an avid enviromentalist too and is bending Johnsons ear on many things, She needs to butt out, it has nothing to do with her – this is a disaster waiting to happen. Well I suppose the disaster has already happened so it could be a good thing that it is all crumbling – something needs to happen. Many MPs dont like Cummings so they would be glad of his departure – will the CRG gain momentum and overthrow all this nonsense that is crippling our country and the upcoming dodgy vaccine may well cripple our people literally – ooops sorry it will be a criminal offence soon to speak out about vaccines.

242407 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Thomasina, 11, #322 of 1631 🔗

Bozo needs to tell her to butt out, or at least have the nous to listen to his partner’s views but make his own decisions. It’s too easy to blame the woman. Why let him off the hook? If a CEO runs their company into the ground that is their responsibility. If they are too weak to separate their professional and private life they need to go.

242414 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomasina, 7, #323 of 1631 🔗

And of course having a baby also can cloud one’s personal judgement and we’re seeing a lot of that with the government’s insane policies and diktat which follows that abomination of “if it saves one life…..”

Despite the continuing barrage of bad news, I feel that the tide is turning as more and more people are waking up to the economic and social cost of all this. We have to stand tall and strong in order to resist the coming onslaught.

242860 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #324 of 1631 🔗

or the coming damp squib, too, presumably ? 🙂

242856 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomasina, 1, #325 of 1631 🔗

Carrie Symonds is an avid enviromentalist …

… is portrayed as an avid enviromentalist.

242378 steph, replying to steph, 19, #326 of 1631 🔗

Another day in hell begins. I can’t decide whether to be pleased about the turmoil in no 10 or not. On the one hand surely the house of cards is close to tumbling. On the other I fear they will inflict a lot more pain before they go.
Please, Sir Graham, rid us of the turbulent prick.

242384 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to steph, #327 of 1631 🔗

Unfortunately, Sir Graham is another turbulent prick who fancied himself for the leadership.

242388 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Stuart, 16, #328 of 1631 🔗

I think he knows that Boris has brought the Conservative party to its knees. He must also have close the the right number of letters in the drawer by now, surely? Frankly I don’t care if the motive to dislodge Boris is selfish, so long as it’s done and sharpish.
What a thoroughly weak and useless PM, words fail me.

242393 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 22, #329 of 1631 🔗

I never thought I would look back on the days of Mrs May’s premiership with fondness, but Alexander Johnson has succeeded in making me do so.

And further, at least she looked the part at official functions. Totally unlike the present incumbant who has the demeanour of a truculent teen being made to do something they don’t want to.

242401 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 6, #330 of 1631 🔗

I know, I thought May was the worst PM in recent years even including Gordon Brown and then we get this idiot!

242433 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steph, 5, #331 of 1631 🔗

It seems Carrie Symonds runs the country along with Bill Gates.

242458 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #332 of 1631 🔗

She may think she does. I suspect it’s temporary and will end quite unpleasantly for Mr and Mrs Symonds

242386 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #333 of 1631 🔗

I know so many people suffering.. I also know those who the response to covid has barely touched… 2020.. the year that Boris and Carrie became our king and queen.

242391 ▶▶ steph, replying to chaos, 3, #334 of 1631 🔗

There is one queen in this United Kingdom and commonwealth. Unfortunately she really can’t intervene but I’d love to know what she’s thinking and what happens in the weekly audience.
I’m sure the disapproving look is a bit difficult to convey by phone. Unless it’s zoom.

242400 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to steph, 7, #335 of 1631 🔗

Charlie is no help either, he seemed to think the reset was about talking to more trees and losing the plastic bags.

242403 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #336 of 1631 🔗

Yes, he’s a fool and sadly too old to learn. Not a pleasant prospect.

242425 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to steph, 4, #337 of 1631 🔗

His sons are not much better either.

242457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #338 of 1631 🔗

Would rather have Princess Anne or the Wessexes.

242430 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #339 of 1631 🔗

I’ve decided the Royal Family are a waste of space. Seeing them masked up for Remembrance Sunday was the last straw.

242485 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #340 of 1631 🔗

They gimped up for Remembrance, how laughable. Did they have to breach social distancing for more than 15 minutes in a right and enclosed space ? No. So why the masks ?

242491 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #341 of 1631 🔗

The one with the Queen was unnecessary and someone should be reprimanded for that because it sent out the wrong message. As for Charles and Camilla, couldn’t understand what they were saying so switched off.

242537 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #342 of 1631 🔗

I have never understood a word of what he said, but that is because most of it is non-scientific gibberish.

242586 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #343 of 1631 🔗

Completely agree. Didn’t the Queen’s own mother tour bomb sites during the blitz?

Where is the example, and fortitude?

242952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to charleyfarley, 7, #344 of 1631 🔗

Exactly. Her Majesty should have refused the muzzle and say that she’s going without one and if they complain they can go and take a hike.

I suspect if this was Phil, he wouldn’t go along with this rubbish,

242669 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Bella Donna, #345 of 1631 🔗

hope they scanned their flippin QR code for the T&T!

243703 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bella Donna, #346 of 1631 🔗

Just wait until ‘reset’ Charles is King!

242482 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #347 of 1631 🔗

If Charles is a pro masker then he has lost any rights to a view on the environment. How many single use non recyclable face coverings are thrown away every day now worldwide ?

It’s preposterous. Don’t here Greta and the XR mob talking about this much do we ?

242533 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Leemc23, 8, #348 of 1631 🔗

Self-styled environmentalists are always silent about littering and don’t seem to be aware that muzzles and gloves are more of an environmental hazard than single use plastics.

242541 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Leemc23, 2, #349 of 1631 🔗

Not only single use but very short term use, need to be replaced frequently (if you believe any of the rubbish talked about them).

242484 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to steph, 3, #350 of 1631 🔗

In 1975 the governor-general of Australia, the Queen’s representative. dismissed the elected head of government Gough Whitlam.

Can be done.

242504 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to calchas, #351 of 1631 🔗

Interesting. On what grounds?

242577 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to steph, 4, #353 of 1631 🔗

I am disappointed in the Queen’s apparent lack of intervention. I know the argument about staying out of politics, constitutional crisis etc, but these are unprecedented times and hard fought freedoms have been removed on the basis of a lie. Our situation is worse than any constitutional crisis I can think of.

I would like to think she has tried to influence things behind the scenes, but there is no evidence of that.

In my dreams she goes on TV and broadcasts to the nation to announce that the covid hysteria is nothing more than that and she has asked the army to remove the government by force, with new elections in the Spring.

242395 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #354 of 1631 🔗

No government can indemnify themselves or anyone else against unlawful acts

The indemnities granted to the vaccines companies are not worth the paper they are written on

All the players in this will have been advised of this by their lawyers

They will have been told the buck stops with any person who authorises the vaccines use

This particular buck will be going round in circles for a long time before it finally disappears up someone’s backside

242417 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 3, #355 of 1631 🔗

How does it work now then? As far as I know government here and the US pick up the tab for compensation claims due to vaccines. Think it was £50m a year off the top of my head for the UK

242451 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #356 of 1631 🔗

In other words the taxpayers

242402 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 25, #357 of 1631 🔗

Poor Johnson, in a race against time to get the vaccine pumped out before the rona disappears naturally. From the start the vaccine has been Johnson’s escape route. Now it looks like countless millions of pounds will have been spaffed on a vaccine that – apart from any other considerations – will be manifestly redundant before it can be distributed.

Worth bearing in mind the purpose of this rushed vaccine for a moderately dangerous disease. It allows Johnson to claim he has saved us (rather than killed all the victims of lockdown for nothing). Hence the need for mass uptake – the narrative has to be at least credible. But it’s more than that. It’s a further ritual act of submission demanded from the people. It gives the message, physically jabbed into your arm: “It doesn’t matter how much we fuck up. We’re still on top and you’re still the shit on our shoes. We can do what we like, and you must comply.” The vaccine, like the gimp gag, is just about showing the proles who’s boss.

But if Covid disappears, totally, of its own accord, the regime and its supporters undeniably look a bit silly.

242415 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ovis, 6, #358 of 1631 🔗

I was looking forward to the jab of hope this winter.

They may as well give out a placebo for the fearful. I don’t know how else we manage to break them out of their self made prison at this point

242421 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ovis, 15, #359 of 1631 🔗

Excellent summary. The end game was always the vaccine, and Boris signed the UK population up as the giant Phase III clinical trial to appease the NWO. It is clearly disappearing rapidly if the Zoe App is to be believed – it seems to have spotted things such as loss of taste and smell much quicker than any SAGE ‘scientist’. I still think Boris will be out at the end of the year. The new Tory backbench revolt is at 70 – 10 more and the threat of a vote of no confidence is not just possible but an almost certainty. Boris is about to do a runner with his latest mistress!

242459 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #360 of 1631 🔗

Unless he sacks Cummings, which I think is about as likely as a toddler throwing their lifelong toy on the fire.

242607 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Will, #361 of 1631 🔗

“What are you going to do? Sack me?…………..I thought not”

242501 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #362 of 1631 🔗

I would not describe the vaccine as then end game. The vaccine is one of the stepping stones towards that total destitution and domination of all humanity – that is the endgame.

242406 davews, replying to davews, 10, #363 of 1631 🔗

Users of Windows 10 will no doubt heard the saying ‘Microsoft is using us all as beta testers’. Now we have Pfizer and presumably the other vaccine companies doing exactly the same thing. The stage 3 testing is us…

It is suggested that this is the very first dna type of vaccine to be widely used. Can anybody confirm it. If so it is doubly important to stay well clear.

243103 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to davews, 1, #364 of 1631 🔗

You must be a young man DaveWS. Windows have been using us all as beta testers for at least 20 years! Mr Gates didn’t get where he is today by finishing the development work before selling the product.

242410 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #365 of 1631 🔗

C.O.V.I.D = Certificate of Vaccination ID

Now do you see what it was really about?

243292 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #366 of 1631 🔗

Clever. Devious. Revolting.

242416 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #367 of 1631 🔗

Update on criminal charges. See the updates section from the link below.

“23.00 – COVID-1984 UPDATE | At 11:11 pm on the 11th day of the 11th month, charges of criminal fraud by non-disclosure were laid against the secretary of state for mandatory vaxxtermination.
He has been charged with knowingly failing to disclose to MPs that the fake government lurgy was reclassified as not being a Highly Contagious Infectious Disease, before they voted on the treacherous Coronavirus Act 2020.
Had he done so, there can be no doubt in the mind of any reasonable individual there would have been no possible justification for its enactment.”

https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/sovereign-being.html

242724 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 1, #368 of 1631 🔗

Thanks for the update.

242426 2 pence, 3, #369 of 1631 🔗

There’s been misreporting . To clarify,
Ticketmaster doesn’t set policies on safety/entry requirements.

https://twitter.com/Ticketmaster/status/1326725939099803648

242428 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 70, #370 of 1631 🔗

I’m despairing today. It’s article after article that suggests that the government, and governments around the world, have lost their collective minds. The worst part is, I can’t share my frustrations with my husband. He supports the lockdowns and believes everything written in the BBC. If it’s not shown in left-wing media, it is a conspiracy theory (and I’m becoming a conspiracy theorist). Every time I bring up concerns, numbers, anything, it turns into an argument. He is a smart, educated, compassionate man. I can’t understand why he is so blinkered when it comes to this, or what I have to do to get through to him.

242435 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Chloe, 9, #371 of 1631 🔗

Ditto and have to quietly fume

242453 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #372 of 1631 🔗

Or leave

242440 ▶▶ steph, replying to Chloe, 29, #373 of 1631 🔗

Thankfully my husband sees it the same way as me but we shouldn’t underestimate the power of propaganda and project fear. It takes a mighty push to turnaround from that if you’ve been following it for months no matter what your intelligence or education. I think it’s a personality trait thing rather than intelligence.
Keep strong, the truth will out and in the meanwhile you can talk to us!

243324 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to steph, -1, #374 of 1631 🔗

And threaten divorce.

242442 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Chloe, 22, #375 of 1631 🔗

I know how you feel. My husband is a sceptic but sometimes believes what the MSM tells him and because of where he works. Every time we talk about the current crisis he trots out the excuse that “we’re a health care provider” and doesn’t have an answer when I ask him if that’s a valid excuse if his workplace ends up in court after being sued by a student or a member of staff or heaven forbid, a patient.

Many friends and colleagues are the worst and its reached the point where I have given up and better for them to learn the hard way in order to wake up.

Regardless we should stay strong. It will be easy to gloat “I told you so” when our brainwashed family and friends ask for help when the shit finally hits the fan but I hope that our reason and compassion will see us through.

242591 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #376 of 1631 🔗

Can relate to that Bart with my lot of MSM believers. Some are complete Beebheads.

242596 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 5, #377 of 1631 🔗

Yep. Not just that bust also eagerly consume news from the Graun, Indy, even DT, the Times, etc.

242448 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Chloe, 11, #378 of 1631 🔗

Weekend in Sweden ?

242454 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Chloe, 16, #379 of 1631 🔗

The fundamental difference between left leaning & right of centre is that leftists believe more government is good. It’s always good & that governments are wise & caring. A huge proportion of these people are paid from the public purse. People not being paid by the public purse are the only people who generate wealth. Public sector employees pay tax but that’s only money that was earned in the private sector first then collected in tax & paid to public sector employees.
Right of centre always believe that more government is always a sub-optimal solution!
If he is left leaning, public sector paid then it’s a lost cause because this nonsense is in his best interests in the short term.

242532 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to NickR, 4, #380 of 1631 🔗

But 83% of the UK working population are in the private sector. Well at the moment they are!

242559 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Alan P, 5, #381 of 1631 🔗

You’re forgetting young people, pensioners. Only 43% of the population pay income tax.

243295 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Alan P, #382 of 1631 🔗

And there theyshall remain. Welfare Bums.

243298 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #383 of 1631 🔗

Cannon fodder of The State and The Great Reset.

243720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #384 of 1631 🔗

I’m a pensioner, not a welfare bum!!

242465 ▶▶ Jack62, replying to Chloe, 11, #385 of 1631 🔗

You’re not alone, I have the same problem, it’s difficult, but I steadily show my partner the real science, the absolute lies we are being fed…im still being called a conspiracy theorist, but not with such ‘vigour’ as before…you’re not in the wrong.

242466 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Chloe, 22, #386 of 1631 🔗

I have exactly the same problem with my 40 year old son. Mind you he, perhaps unlike your husband, is able to work from home on full pay. I suspect that is why my son is very supportive of the lockdown. He and his wife have a comfortable lifestyle and neither of them seem to have a fear of the damage, after all that have no children, and I suspect that as hardened Remainers, that have real Hope’s that this situation will put paid to Brexit.

Geobbels would have been proud of the basic fear that the government has instilled in the people. The comment of another contributor to this site us always with me these days and applies to so many of the population: “If you ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930s Germany, now you know”.

242478 ▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to petgor, 21, #387 of 1631 🔗

We can both work from home on full pay and in that sense are very privileged. I regularly point this fact out to him. That’s why I find it hard to understand why left-leaning people (and I would have included myself in this bracket) are happy to sit at home while others in society are forced into economic crisis.

242515 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Chloe, 20, #388 of 1631 🔗

Its very easy to be ‘left wing’ and ‘care for people, environment etc etc’ when you have a comfortable lifestyle and a reasonably safe job.
Its easy to be a hypocrite.

242529 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to peyrole, 5, #389 of 1631 🔗

Completely agree.

242558 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to peyrole, 14, #390 of 1631 🔗

Exactly. Know a lot of people like that – comfortable lifestyle, reasonably safe job, great pension and savings package. They’re not really affected by the lockdown and can’t understand why there are people fighting back against this.

242598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #391 of 1631 🔗

It’s a very short term blinkered approach. After all if, or when the economy really tanks what will the pension be worth, to say nothing of job security?

It is unbelievable that people can think like this.

242932 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #392 of 1631 🔗

True and what will happen when they finally get hit via tax raids, loss of value of their pensions and savings.

Economic reality will get them one way or the other.

243340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to charleyfarley, #393 of 1631 🔗

It will be far worse than losing your job, pension and life savings.

242858 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #394 of 1631 🔗

In the US, we refer to that attitude as, “F you, I’ve got mine!”

Indeed.

243336 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #395 of 1631 🔗

They’re not affected yet, but they sure as hell will be. They’ll certainly be coming for all those who’ve got a bit tucked away, but the main worry won’t be money, it will be much more important than that.

243433 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #396 of 1631 🔗

I met a lady from my sports club in the village the other day. She said to me ‘Well this lockdown doesn’t affect me, as I’m a pensioner, so I get paid no matter what.’ I simply smiled. I don’t think she would appreciate a lecture on the Pensions Black Hole.

243721 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, #397 of 1631 🔗

I find such people do not value freedom either….its either seen as over rated or even ‘right wing’. They are smug unsufferable bastards.

242637 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to peyrole, 15, #398 of 1631 🔗

I’m left wing and have a comfortable job but I am scathing about all this.

People who call themselves left-wing and support these measures really have no excuses – in my view they have completely lost sight of what it actually is to be left-wing and have become nothing more than frauds to themselves and everyone else.

Perhaps they’ve slipped into the bourgeoisie but have not awakened to the fact it’s actually happened.

242727 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jamie, 18, #399 of 1631 🔗

Perhaps they’ve slipped into the bourgeoisie but have not awakened to the fact it’s actually happened .”

Imo the problem you describe is that the left has become over the past few decades, the establishment in pretty much all areas – political, media, academe, big business.

That leaves those whose left wing impulses are genuinely based on resisting power, privilege and complacency as homeless as it leaves genuine conservatives.

243728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #400 of 1631 🔗

Very true I have seen over many years my partner’s father move from being a working class labour supporter to being a fake middle class Guardian reader. He identifies with the metropolitan set even though they would see him as some council estate chav. He now has total contempt for his old class and still thinks he is a rebel. He is actually an establishment toady in every area of policy.

242574 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Chloe, 7, #401 of 1631 🔗

Good morning Chloe,

This is exactly why I lost all respect for Medialens and quite a number of other prominent left commentators (both here in the UK and abroad), many of whom I had agreed with on the majority of issues previously.

Even Neil Clarke succumbed initially before coming to his senses thankfully. OffGuardian have been calling it fro the start but not many others.

All the issues from anti-imperialism, social justice, environmental, poverty, child malnutrition etc… suddenly don’t seem to matter anymore.

Kindest regards

Simon

242863 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Simon Cook, 9, #402 of 1631 🔗

For years, we used to send money to support MediaLens, which was excellent at holding the MSM to account. When it became apparent in April that they were simply not going to engage with ‘the elephant in the room’ we cancelled our subscription and wrote to tell them why. We received an aggrieved email from one of them which demonstrated their inability to apply their methods to the part played by the MSM in the current nightmare. They simply can’t and won’t see it. I’ve just had a glance at their Twitter thread and someone has posted a link to a FT article, crowing about Sweden’s admission that they apparently ‘got the 2nd wave wrong’ and, naturally, ‘cases’ are soaring. They will be dancing with delight if Sweden goes the way of everyone else.

AlanG used to post regularly on their spin-off message board called ‘The Lifeboat News’. A doctor took over the hosting and since March, he has basically run it into the ground with his hysterical and tyrannical ‘Covid zealotry’, censoring any post which disagrees with The Narrative and even banning people. Things got so bad that hardly anyone bothers with it now and several of the ‘regulars’ have sacked it and set up an alternative called 5 Filters. MW

243010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #403 of 1631 🔗

Thank you Miriam.

I also used to frequent the Lifeboat too, but it was man over board for me back in March/April.

Medialens have been regularly retweeting Piers Morgan through all of this – I think that needs no more comment!

Caitlin Johnstone was another one who seemed to be oblivious to what was really going on.

I will check out 5 filters.

Kindest regards

Simon

243076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #404 of 1631 🔗

It’s a bit ‘clunky’ and they have attracted a resident shill. Alan gets the daily digest and says they can link to good stuff (similar to here, but on a much smaller scale). He doesn’t post there.

https://forum.5filters.info/ MW

242619 ▶▶▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Chloe, 25, #405 of 1631 🔗

I’m one of those people wfh at the moment; I’m in the right job in terms of financial stability, ironically financially I’ve never been so well off before. But this lockdown has not been good for me and I fail to see how good it is for anyone. It’s not healthy to not have human interaction, and mentally I have struggled with the increasing loss of our basic freedoms.

Putting the economic consequences aside, the human cost of all this is astronomical. I want to enjoy my life, at the moment, I do nothing but wfh, eat and sleep. I honestly don’t know why anyone is in favour of lockdown regardless of whether they’re public or private sector. Everything that makes life meaningful has been systematically taken away from us.

243436 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Elenesse, 4, #406 of 1631 🔗

Recently I’ve found myself dreaming about simple human interactions like dancing in a ceilidh, singing in the church choir, drinking with friends in the local pub. A strange and rather sad experience on waking.

242494 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to petgor, 26, #407 of 1631 🔗

I hear this a lot about people who have the short or medium term financial stability provided by working from home (it would be a stretch to say that anybody has long term financial stability in this situation).

What I don’t understand is that whilst they’re still being paid, don’t they actually want to live a life? You know, go out, travel, attend weddings etc? I just don’t understand how anybody could consider this to be comfortable lifestyle, or even a lifestyle at all.

242538 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #408 of 1631 🔗

Or even a life at all!

242595 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #409 of 1631 🔗

Indeed! Work (if you’re lucky), eat, sleep, repeat.

242701 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #410 of 1631 🔗

Yup exactly … that’s our lives from now on …
That’s what they want for us to be enslaved and no meaninful life events and human interaction and definately no fun!

242545 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 24, #411 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely! I’m in a really comfortable position, retired, private income, large house, etc. But i am livid about the curtailment of everyone’s freedoms and the crazy restrictions.

Like many others on here I’m constantly battling relatives, friends and neighbours who seem totally unconcerned where this is all heading.

I am at the stage where I can no longer be bothered and a malicious part of me would be happy to see them suffering (a sort of “schadenfreude”), if wasn’t for the fact that I’ll be in the same boat!

242626 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Alan P, 10, #412 of 1631 🔗

I can’t get many people to see the ‘bigger picture’ either. A lot of friends just turn a blind eye to the fact that these restrictions run contrary to how everything should be done in a free society.

I’m not sure which socioeconomic group I fit into. Prior to the madness I had a pretty good ‘middle class’ income, but I can’t work from home and rely on others to be travelling. I have a nice house and my mortgage payment isn’t too large each month, so I should be able to make it through, even on a reduced income.

I’m concerned about my economic future, but I’m confident that I can adapt my skills to suit whatever comes next. What I’m more concerned about is the destruction of our freedoms, and that’s the point I just can’t get through to some people.

243738 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Alan P, 1, #413 of 1631 🔗

Just give up on them they are past being worth the effort…you will feel better for no longer having them in your life. Get some new animals instead!

242599 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 11, #414 of 1631 🔗

Many of those working from home have been gloating about how they’re saving money by not commuting or buying lunch and coffee especially at the beginning of lockdown. Now I’m reading more and more U turns where you have people admitting that WFH has resulted into their physical and mental health going down the toilet.

242656 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #415 of 1631 🔗

I can imagine. Having something to get up, get dressed and get out for keeps many people sane.

I was due to go back to my normal job this month (scuppered by Boris and Rishi), so I resigned from a temp job I had been doing in the meantime. I’m already hating the lack or structure in my life so I’m looking for another temp job.

242944 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #416 of 1631 🔗

And also people forget that work can provide a haven especially if like me you live in a not very good neighbourhood. Plus with the moving around in my work, it gets you relatively fit.

There are many physical and mental benefits to working and being away at home.

242897 ▶▶▶▶ djc, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 12, #417 of 1631 🔗

I am practically retired, small pension, no mortgage, I will survive. But what for? Life used to have a structure, simple things: village events and societies, bell ringing, hedgelaying… now every day is the same, with or without lockdown.

243117 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to djc, 8, #418 of 1631 🔗

Don’t despair, djc. We are in a similar situation – retired with all our previous busy life on hold/gone. We refuse to let our minds be messed up. We try to talk to as many people as we possibly can, even the brainwashed, and we get out walking and cycling fairly frequently. It’s not much but it keeps us going and a few more people seem to be seeing through the lies.

A few days ago a friend who’s 72 was diagnosed with lung cancer. Amazingly she is going to get radiography (so far) We’re keeping in touch with her and trying to get her to accept whatever help we can give her.

It’s a mark of her personality that this morning we found on the doormat a letter with a pretty violin brooch in it (for me as she knows I’m allegedly learning to play the viola), a hanging basket she’s asking us to plant up for her plus half a cauliflower (!)

If she can be so indomitable, having got over breast cancer 3 years ago, then an appendectomy last year and also losing her sister to cancer 2 years ago, we feel we have no choice but to fight on!

All the very best – we feel we have friends on this site and that’s really helping us to keep going. MW and AG

243743 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to djc, 1, #419 of 1631 🔗

Its disgusting that you have been deprived of these simple pleasures. I had better get off here…I am starting to feel enraged with the zealots!

243448 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #420 of 1631 🔗

I’ve been thinking about this, and in some ways this might turn out to be our saviour. Now, I reckon a lot of people in power have sociopathic tendencies and couldn’t care less about weddings, parties etc. But does anyone really think people like Boris are never again going to dinner parties in country houses, shooting parties, balls etc? If Lockdown continues indefinitely, IMO more and more people in high profile positions will start discretely socialising in this way, and eventually pictures and film will leak to the great unwashed, and the narrative starts to crumble.

243735 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #421 of 1631 🔗

Maybe they never liked the old normal and this shit show gives them a chance to withdraw from it. Avoid!

242528 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to petgor, 7, #422 of 1631 🔗

It’s mostly the comfortably WFH folks who are supporting lockdown 2, this morning once again the rush hour in and around the ‘working bloke’ trading estate was busy and normal while the office campus estated (public and private sector) ,including County Hall, remain empty.

242833 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to petgor, 9, #423 of 1631 🔗

We have great sympathy for all of you with partners/family who have succumbed to brainwashing. We can only echo what people have already said – you have at least got a space here where you can be sure of like-minded people, even if we don’t all think alike politically.

As for 1930s Germany, AlanG said just now that if the Government/MSM/Facebook told a section of the population to pack a suitcase and go to the railway station, a high proportion of them would obey. The rest would simply look the other way; ‘nothing to see here’.

Not to be too gloom-and-doom, though, several lockdown-diehards/’dandelions’ of our acquaintance are showing signs of change. MW

242524 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Chloe, 37, #424 of 1631 🔗

Myself and my wife are on the same page. She is a pharmacist with a PHD in Pharmacology. We’ve both knew something wasn’t right around three weeks after the first lockdown. She wouldn’t touch the vaccine with a shitty stick and neither would anybody in her practice. The nurses in her practice are refusing to administrate it. As my wife says, “it takes anywhere between five and ten years to come to market. Even then, the UK government may not recommend it and a black triangle will be put against the drug”.

What gets me about the Vaccine hysteria is, people are absolutely shite scarred of a virus that has a 99.7% survival rate. This basically basically means, if you contract it, it isn’t going to kill you. However these supine wimps are more than happy to have stuff pumped in to them that has not been tested and may have serious long term effects or even death, we just don’t know. You couldn’t make it up if you tried. What the f@ck is wrong with them?

243477 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #425 of 1631 🔗

FlynnQuill, I believe it’s a form of mass hysteria.

243766 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #426 of 1631 🔗

Brainwashing.

242534 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Chloe, 14, #427 of 1631 🔗

The first thing to do is stop watching and reading the MSM and the Whitty & Vallance show. You have to remove the propaganda drug before you can start the process of deprogramming. Unfortunately, education is no guarantee of immunity, you have to change the way you think rather than what you think.

242542 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Achilles, 13, #428 of 1631 🔗

We found getting rid of our TV license was a good start.

242584 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Chloe, 8, #429 of 1631 🔗

Thankfully Mrs 2-6 is a well trained sceptic with year of experience under her belt. She used to think I was mad, sure but often right, now she know I was right all along. Which is nice.

However all of my family are totally brainwashed and totally believe in and defend vigorously the strictures and tenants of covidianism.

I have no idea why they do this and I have no idea when they will stop believing in the MSM shit they are being brainwashed with..

242618 ▶▶ Jamie, replying to Chloe, 16, #430 of 1631 🔗

Is he political Chloe, on the left by any chance?

Everyone I know who supports lockdowns supports them from a political standpoint. I think the msm have done a very good job at herding people into boxes based on their political identity. They have made it clear there are 2 camps, those who are virtuous and care about humanity (usually left) and those who want to let the virus rip (usually extreme right) Remember all the reports and articles about Trump and Bolsonaro, almost wishing a disaster in Brazil. Remember the Cummings witchhunt early on …

Anybody who identifies as being on the left or ‘liberals’ very quickly ran to their media constructed ‘camp’ and most of the people on the soft right didn’t want to be associated with the populists. Bingo, support was created on completely irrational, politically constructed grounds. They then started to use the virus against their opponents. The Guardian comment s section is interesting, any discussion about the virus usually starts with ‘Boris is crap’, ‘what do you expect when we have a useless government’ etc. There is no appetite to discuss the facts, because the hysteria is much more useful.

I’m actually on the left but I saw through the game early on.

That must be awfully frustrating though – have you considered an affair? 😉

242644 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Jamie, 12, #431 of 1631 🔗

Thank you Jamie for eloquently putting into words how I feel about this.

As I said in my post above, many commentators on the left have actually left me bewildered in their stance. I’m a left, remainer who voted Green and I’m essentially politically homeless.

I initially found sanity in Peter Hitchens before discovering UnHerd, Professor Sunetra Gupta etc…

I think the fact that Sweden – for so long a poster-boy of the progressive/ left/liberal mindset is currently viewed by many people as ‘evil’ sums up the hysterical insanity.

242658 ▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Simon Cook, 6, #432 of 1631 🔗

Are you my political doppelganger! My path was exactly the same

The interesting thing about Sweden is that the politicians haven’t been making the decisions about this, so they are free to pursue rational, politically unclouded policies. I would call that advanced civilisation.

243018 ▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Jamie, 3, #433 of 1631 🔗

Just great minds thinking alike I’m sure 🙂

243112 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #434 of 1631 🔗

Well not far left myself but was a remainer but most of my former remainer friends many of which are left wing staunchly support the lockdowns, masks, etc. and guess who their political idol in the world is??

243758 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Carlo, #435 of 1631 🔗

I do sympathise I am a centre right Brexit supporter though formerly on the Left. I am just as disappointed in so many Brexiteers and people on the Right. We all feel desperately let down by the cult whether from left or right.

242632 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Chloe, 7, #436 of 1631 🔗

Ditto situation. I have at least persuaded him to give up BBC news. He sees their bias regarding Trump. His logic was that someone who has been attacked so much must be doing something right or they wouldn’t have focused on him so much.
He thinks there is something serious about the “virus”. Something we are not being told. For that point we both agree but for different reasons.

243698 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to VickyA, #437 of 1631 🔗

The really serious part will be the vaccine, very probably intentionally harmful and likely lethal after the second dose. Only complete fools would go any where near it.

242755 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Chloe, 2, #438 of 1631 🔗

The impossibility of getting through apparently intelligent people’s shields on this is staggering. I fear this schism will never be healed.

243705 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #439 of 1631 🔗

Yes I’ve nearly written off several long term friends, who just can’t wait to bare their arms for the Gates’s depopulator and then get back to normal!

243752 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Rowan, #440 of 1631 🔗

me too i hardly speak to some anymore , it’s not worth it. so glad for the comments here .

242756 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Chloe, #441 of 1631 🔗

So is he happy to live like this until there is an effective vaccine?

242927 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Chloe, #442 of 1631 🔗

Chloe

Buy a copy of The FakeNews Factory: Tales from BBC-land by David Sedgwick (or his first book, the BBC:Brainwashing Britain?)
.
Ask him to read it with an open mind. It’s is VERY convincing with extensive quotes and referenced proof.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/FakeNews-Factory-Tales-BBC-land/dp/1999359135/ref=nodl_

243320 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Chloe, #443 of 1631 🔗

Would bringing up the subject of divorce help him to come out of his cosy Covid bubble?

243428 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Chloe, #444 of 1631 🔗

I’m lucky in that my other half is pretty much in agreement with me on Lockdown Scepticism. However, I do have friends who, as far as I can tell, are True Believers and I have given up trying to ‘convert’ or even discuss it with them. For the sake of marital harmony it may be best simply to avoid the topic, (unless being in full agreement with your spouse on some topics is more important to you than domestic peace, of course).

243712 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Chloe, 1, #445 of 1631 🔗

It can be very difficult and I sympathise….eventually it pushes you apart with the inevitable endgame. I suspect that all this will lead to far more breakups than the Christmas enforced togetherness! Seriously though it starts to makes you question whether you share the same values at all.

243717 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Chloe, #446 of 1631 🔗

I suggest you stop trying. It’s just frustrating and can lead to bitterness.

My parents had some friends with whom they got on like the proverbial house on fire. They met up with them at the weekends and even went on holiday with them every year.
However, they had come very early to the agreement that they weren’t to discuss either religion or politics if their friendship was to survive.

242429 Stuart, replying to Stuart, -5, #447 of 1631 🔗

Lee Cain is leaving on Crashout Eve and very sensible it is of him too.

The rest of the Vote Leave gang can take the flak for the chaos, destitution and impoverishment of our brexity sunlit uplands.

242449 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Stuart, -2, #448 of 1631 🔗

Covid is largely down to Brexit and Trump. They have got rid of Trump and have already a weak idiot in place here.

242490 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to nickbowes, 6, #449 of 1631 🔗

I’m not sure if that is sarcasm or just plain insanity speaking. Really?, brexit and Trump caused Covid and ‘our’ government’s insane over-reaction???

242505 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to IanE, 7, #450 of 1631 🔗

Trump didn’t ’cause’ covid. The over-reaction of public health authorities in the US was certainly encouraged by certain factions in the US. This was quickly encouraged to spread throughout the world.Tthere is little doubt in my mind that some saw it as an opportunity too good to miss to crater the US economy leading up to the election, with added side benefits including the promotion of widescale postal balloting.
The coronavirus and covid-19 exist , even if the remaims questions of exactly what they are. However in themselves they do not represent the ‘plague’ that has been represented by the media and used by politicians to introduce draconian measures. That is truely ‘man-made’.
Personally I am convinced that ‘man-made’ epidemic has its heart in the US with one principle aim, get rid of the man in the WH.

243123 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to peyrole, #451 of 1631 🔗

Well US and China were in a trade war before it kicked off.

242521 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to IanE, 3, #452 of 1631 🔗

And everybody else threw themselves off the cliff to stop Trump and Brexit? As you say, plain insanity.

242520 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Stuart, 3, #453 of 1631 🔗

You’d rather we stayed and have to bailout the Eurozone??

242431 Saved To Death, replying to Saved To Death, 49, #454 of 1631 🔗

The Government is tilted too much in the direction of caution and has lost a balanced sense of proportion

I don’t understand how anyone can describe the government as tilted too much in the direction of caution. Caution is not the word to describe the governments actions.

The government has lost its mind and is a danger to the lives and livelihoods of everyone even those who currently think they are better off. It is transparently deeply corrupt and is engaged in violating our liberties in increasingly horrifying ways. It has utterly destroyed our healthcare service, education system and other public services while its wrecked the budget beyond repair. It has been systematically destroying the economy making it as hard as it possibly could be to go through the financial collapse that was inevitable. It is trying to dismantle everything that gives us the possibility of hope and prosperity and any semblance of independence from government.

The resources it has wasted other the last 8 months could have achieved amazing things and improved our lives. Instead it has chosen to wreck them and put our lives in danger.

This has nothing to do with caution !

242443 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Saved To Death, 10, #455 of 1631 🔗

Well said.

242473 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Saved To Death, 10, #456 of 1631 🔗

Yes too harmful and sinsiter to be put down to excess caution. Knowingly causing such harm and excess deaths in far greater numbers than a respiratory virus and continuing to do so.. Criminal lawyers need to step up and now.

242495 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #457 of 1631 🔗

caution isn’t trying something never tried before which is predicted to take 15 million life-years through a major recession

242496 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #458 of 1631 🔗

You make a truly excellent point

I am heartened to see Tim Spector becoming more outspoken – I use their app (have done since the start) and have had doubts about their intentions, but it seems like they are playing with a fairly straight bat. Having him say things like this, backed by the data, is useful as I think he is hard to attack or sideline.

However it is astonishing that even someone as undoubtedly intelligent as he is would term what the government is doing as “cautious” and (unless he is pretending) it just shows how deeply ingrained the narrative is – covid is exceptional and exceptional measures are called for, and that this represents “caution” and following the standard WHO playbook represents something reckless, controversial and unorthodox.

A massive shift occurred almost overnight when the Chinese went crazy and started locking people in their homes.

242710 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 2, #459 of 1631 🔗

Yes, as though launching into a completely unprecedented (at this level) radical experiment involving profound harm and unknown downside risks to economy and society, somehow isn’t incautious!

242874 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Julian, #460 of 1631 🔗

I can’t decide if the Chinese lockdowns were simple gaslighting or if they were a signal to their Western plants to ramp up their part in the operation.

Perhaps a bit of both?

242978 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to awildgoose, 2, #461 of 1631 🔗

Whatever the truth, the Chinese seem to have played their cards pretty well.

Which major industrialised nation has had the least lockdown, come out of it earlier, opened up, got back to normal, with the least deaths (if they are to be believed) and the least damage to their economy. BY A COUNTRY MILE. China. Nowhere else comes close.

243014 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Julian, #462 of 1631 🔗

One interesting aspect of potential gaslighting are a couple Western expats in China that were ramping the fear late last year and earlier this year via many, many YouTube videos.

Looking at their channels now they’ve largely gone quiet about the bug…

242432 alw, replying to alw, 3, #463 of 1631 🔗

“https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8933375/Mass-Covid-testing-scheme-Liverpool-rolled-66-authorities.html”

Just a thought on this one. Looking at most of the areas where the testing will take place they are for the most part Labour supporting. How much government/taxpayer handouts are they receiving? Here in the socialist paradise that is Camden they are perpetually short of money. One only has to take a look at the Chalcots Estates recladding debacle which is now scheduled for completion in 2024. Earlier this year scaffolding started to be put up to start the process but stopped mid February on the pretext that they were retendering. Suspect this was because it was the end of the financial year and money to pay the contractors was not there. In the last couple of months while the scaffolding has been taken down yet again. The programme to roll out testing of asymptomatic individuals is highly suspicious.

242447 ▶▶ Mike, replying to alw, 4, #464 of 1631 🔗

Agreed. I’m aware that many of the district councils near me are in dire straights and have been for some years now…any opportunity to cash in on ‘free’ money will be grasped with both hands!

242488 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mike, 1, #465 of 1631 🔗

BBC R4 News 08.00 reported only one in ten local authorities expected to be in budget this year despite ‘unprecedented support’ from central government.

242437 Jack62, replying to Jack62, 27, #466 of 1631 🔗

Sitting here listening to the media lies, the vaccine miracle, the exponential rise in ‘ cases’….will we ever hear the truth? This is the beginning of a police state, do as you’re told, or else…. Well, I won’t, I’m nearly 60, I won’t be having a vaccine or a test, for something that doesn’t exist…. Perhaps my later years will be spent residing in a ‘quarantine station’ or prison cell…I’ll go down fighting.

242612 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Jack62, 1, #467 of 1631 🔗

Well said, Jack!

242615 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Jack62, 1, #468 of 1631 🔗

Me too Jack. We’ll said.
Arnie.

242439 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 18, #469 of 1631 🔗

Its way past time to get rid of the commie idiot Johnson now.

242462 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nickbowes, 9, #470 of 1631 🔗

CCP stooge.

242486 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #471 of 1631 🔗

Yep; Bozo is – whether knowingly or otherwise!

242487 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to IanE, 2, #472 of 1631 🔗

👍

242441 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 25, #473 of 1631 🔗

Madness, to tell all of the businesses who spent money making things ‘safe’ to then close them down again, if people do not wake up now it’ll be too late.

242929 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dan Clarke, #474 of 1631 🔗

Take my workplace. They spent so much money making things “safe” even though our reserves are so low that they’re having to make savings and that includes making people redundant.

Now we’ve lost this month and Lord knows what it will be like next month. I seriously doubt we’ll be swamped with visitors with reduced capacity and people having to tighten their belts.

242445 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 108, #475 of 1631 🔗

Laws about

Meeting your children
Meeting your grandchildren
Meeting your parents or grandparents
Leaving your home
Meeting anyone
Going to work
Going anywhere
Buying food
Sitting on a bench
Buying children’s clothes
Visiting a pub or restaurant
MI5 and GCHQ used to crush dissent
Not allowed to enter or leave the country
Parliament suspended
Imprisoning elderly people in care homes
Routine medical care refused and withdrawn
Forced to take part in medical experiments against our will

If that is not a description of a dictatorship and a police state then I don’t know what is

242460 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 45, #476 of 1631 🔗

Good description of a government committing crimes against humanity too.

242479 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 14, #477 of 1631 🔗

Internal travel bans or exile.

242514 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 28, #478 of 1631 🔗

Don’t forget; wearing a face nappy (badge of loyalty and subservience) and carrying a tape measure to make sure that you don’t get too close to other human beings.

242550 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cecil B, 25, #479 of 1631 🔗

If I were a brainwashed prole, I’d respond to your post with:

“Don’t be stupid, they’re only doing all of this to keep us safe!

We need laws like this so selfish people like you don’t endanger other people’s lives.

I’m off out now to drive around taking pictures of people who I think are flouting the rules and I’ll post them on Facebook for public shaming.”

Any counter arguments to this will result in “la la la, not listening” followed by accusations of being “brainwashed yourself by the Russians” or “anti-science” or a “vaccine denier”

242682 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to captainbeefheart, 17, #480 of 1631 🔗

This is the language of suppression and coercion.

It’s axiomatic that EVERYONE who works for the NHS is bona fide superhero.

I am wearing a mask, observing social distancing and accepting lockdown because I am noble, caring, humanitarian and public spirited.

You are self centred feckless and sybaritic.

How many people do you want to die so you can go to the pub/restaurant/cinema/football?

Actually, I’m more concerned about the erosion of our central liberties as a free people, the broader health picture and people’s livelihoods.

But yes, in a country that depends so much on people spending money, I miss those things . They make life so much better. And many people rely on them for their income. If you want to live in the cupboard under the stair, I fully support your decision.

242768 ▶▶ nat, replying to Cecil B, 16, #481 of 1631 🔗

We have to bear in mind that oppression is almost never imposed on people in one big dose, because that could trigger an immediate revolution and uprising. Instead, oppression is given in small doses in such a way that each dose in itself is insignificant or negligible, but it is the total amount of these small doses that creates a great state of oppression and injustice.

243124 ▶▶ James007, replying to Cecil B, 4, #482 of 1631 🔗

Agreed!
I couldn’t care less about the Downing Street Soap opera and who has fallen out with Boris.

Appreciate the backbenchers voting against the government, but given what this government has done, resigning the whip or even the party would be more impressive.

242450 Adam, replying to Adam, 12, #483 of 1631 🔗

This government is a joke it’s quite possible it may not last long or Johnson doesn’t last long politically We deserve better as Britons, keep out Labour also

242499 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Adam, 7, #484 of 1631 🔗

You would normally expect this political void to fill very quickly, but where are those who would canvass our votes? What’s happened to Farage? The SDP are sane but quiet. I think it’s going to have to come from inside the Tory Party, god help us. Tainted to hell.

242455 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 4, #485 of 1631 🔗

Was i imagining it or did Bill and Melinda meet up again with our useless clown in the last day or so !

242518 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to nickbowes, 16, #487 of 1631 🔗

I have no idea but the fact that we need to be concerned as to who is influencing Boris is at the heart of the problem. He has no concept or ability to do the job he should really be doing, which is to ignore all the micromanagement fluff of vaccines , R rates and case numbers and take a clear strategic look at what is going on and make a radical bold new deal to take the country forward.
If I was Boris, my analysis would be;

  1. The WHO state that 80% of people are mild/asymptomatic if they get SARS-Cov and our experience in the UK bears this out
  2. So 53.3 million UK citizens are immune/resistant to serious covid and do not need any sort of public health policy to protect them from covid disease
  3. 13.3 million UK citizens are potentially susceptible to serious covid and covid death and some sort of public health protection is appropriate for these people.
  4. Even if all these 13.3 million contracted serious covid, with a hospital fatality rate of 2% the maximum number of UK covid deaths you could possibly have would be 266,000. And of these a significant number would be in the last year or 2 of their lives in any case. So that is the absolute worst possible case scenario, 0.4% of the UK population could die of Covid.
  5. Is the NHS overwhelmed, clearly not, just give Hancock a bit of stick and tell him to get the NHS with its £129 billion budget manged properly and redeploy staff and resources as needed.
  6. Can we offer protection to the 13.3 million vulnerable people, yes we clearly can, most are keen to follow advice and stay safe in any case and so the worst case scenario is unlikely to be reached. The Government can help them with improved advice, offering facilities and equipment.
  7. The whole vaccine thing is a huge bunch of smoke, mirrors and vested interests, we never did get a vaccine for AIDS but we did get effective treatments. As only 13.3 million people are vulnerable a better use of Government resources would be the development of better treatments for them if they do develop covid.
  8. The situation with SARS-Cov2 and the covid disease it can cause is not now an emergency situation and does not require or justify specific legislation, all coronavirus legislation should be rescinded and replaced with more normal public health action and guidance.

People may agree or disagree with my views but to my mind the job of a Prime Minister is to rise above the froth and make this sort of overall strategic analysis from which all else can stem and this is what Boris has failed to show any inclination or ability to do.

242603 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #488 of 1631 🔗

Whitty has probably told bozo he won’t get his share of the Gates bung if he doesn’t do as he’s told.

242456 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 4, #489 of 1631 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yt0c-di1MSA
Rebel Media: Imagine no possessions: Watch the deleted World Economic Forum 2030 video

242474 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lms23, 1, #491 of 1631 🔗

Wow just like Star Trek

242642 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 1, #492 of 1631 🔗

How do they think it would ever possibly work? Look at how they cock uo everything.. their brave new Greta Reset world would be no possessions.. no jobs.. no nothing… everything fucked.

242493 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #494 of 1631 🔗

They don’t want to answer and they are not going to. It just reaffirms how utterly toothless our MPs are.

242549 ▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #495 of 1631 🔗

You’re probably right and that’s a shame. The sooner we can prove that the PCR test is fatally flawed and what we are experiencing now is a ‘casedemic’ the better.
Dr Clare Craig explained it perfectly to JHB on talkRADIO this morning.

242578 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 4, #496 of 1631 🔗

I think we have proved both of those things, but no-one in a decision-making capacity is listening.

There is a much bigger agenda in play here, none of the measures we have seen are justified, and never were even from the start. We had reason to be wary in the beginning, but by the time the dread plague reached us, we knew it was dangerous only to a very small and identifiable group of society.

Our useless leaders fawning congratulations to Joke Biden said it all really, priorities are fighting climate change and building back better (heard that somewhere!!), not a shared hope for a return to normality and restoring freedoms to the people.

242502 NickR, replying to NickR, 1, #497 of 1631 🔗

This chart is a detail taken fromhttps://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases.
From initial infection it takes about a week before someone would test positive.
Lockdown 2 started 5th Nov so we don’t expect to see any impact until Nov 12th, when, if lockdowns work we’ll see a step down in infections.
The curve is already trending down, was already trending down not up. If there’s no step change from the 12th how can anyone claim lockdowns work?

242508 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NickR, 2, #498 of 1631 🔗

Most people could be persuaded that graph ‘proves’ lockdown 2 caused the reduction.

242503 Cecil B, 3, #499 of 1631 🔗

Does Mr Cain have an eye to the future

Goebbels would have stood trial at Nuremberg and been executed if he hadn’t done for himself

242509 Londo Mollari, 4, #500 of 1631 🔗

Interesting story on RT. Bojo’s lovefest with Gates and big Pharma. https://www.rt.com/uk/506443-boris-gates-pharma-vaccines-military/

242511 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 20, #501 of 1631 🔗

Tweet from Priti
At the last election,
@Conservatives
promised to end free movement. The British people voted for that in their millions. Today we have delivered.

Yes, turns out we did vote in our millions to end our own free movement and our freedom in general.

242785 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #502 of 1631 🔗

At the New year I told my family I wanted a nice quiet year. The lockdown gods heard me. Next time I’ll be more specific.

242513 chris, replying to chris, 8, #503 of 1631 🔗

Posted in the Telegraph:
Carrie Symonds
It was reported that she was asked to leave her post as director of communications after sources claimed party chiefs had said her performance was poor, and questions were raised over significant unjustified expenses claims. On 16 August 2019, she made her first public appearance since entering 10 Downing Street, when she addressed what she called the “gigantic” climate crisis. Concerns over the influence of Symonds on the prime minister were raised in January 2020, when it came to light that Symonds received briefs from animal rights activists just before government came to pull a planned cull on badgers in Derbyshire. Symonds was previously in a long-term relationship with British political journalist Harry Cole.

242582 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to chris, 5, #504 of 1631 🔗

She seems to have a thing for chubby guys

243876 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Pancho the Grey, #505 of 1631 🔗

She tends not to go for working class poor guys for some reason.

242516 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #506 of 1631 🔗

Betting odds for next US President

Yesterday morning

Trump 10/1

Yesterday evening

Trump 46/5

This morning

Trump 7/1

242585 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cecil B, 4, #507 of 1631 🔗

Looking good, that might be because the first recount has been ordered.

242522 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 38, #508 of 1631 🔗

Morning all

In early March, I was saying to all who listened, this isn’t about this virus you know.

My friends and associates were divided into the ones who regarding me as a swiveled-eyed lunatic or the ones who said it will blow over soon.

I am now unable to see a way out of this, too many people have invested so much, ideologically and politically, to take a step back and reevaluate their position.

This antisocial distancing and mask behaviour is now so ingrained to easily return to normal.

I am in a constant state of psychological arousal, my anger is always so close to the surface that one instance of badly judged remark or behaviour on somebody’s part may result with me exploding violently. The outcome will end up with me being detained. Due to this, I choose not to leave the house unless I really need to or with my wife.

I have self-harmed a couple of months ago, but the danger is harming others.

I’m slowly cutting myself off from most people as most conversations end up with the lockdown etc.

I can’t imagine a future that looks like 2019, but the strategy to returning to that happy year is so amazingly simple……. just return to normal.

Just return to normal.

242531 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Winston Smith, 25, #509 of 1631 🔗

You have a huge, huge problem. You are sane

242535 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #510 of 1631 🔗

Don’t harm anyone ‘Forgive them they know not what they do’

242613 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Cecil B, 8, #511 of 1631 🔗

I really don’t want to, my PTSD has returned in a big way. My mental and physical health has taken a few steps backwards. The fucking worried well love the drama, people who’ve never had a serious health mortality event in their lives, living it vicariously safely via the mainstream media.

242667 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Winston Smith, 4, #512 of 1631 🔗

You will be a hero when victory is ours

242635 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cecil B, 2, #513 of 1631 🔗

Sadly we are a minority now.

242737 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, #514 of 1631 🔗

… in an insane world!

242540 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Winston Smith, 7, #515 of 1631 🔗

Small groups of secptics on a local level for mutual support are one way of reacting to this.

242633 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to calchas, 1, #516 of 1631 🔗

I have been looking in vain for such in West Wales. I joined Keep Britain Free and posted in their communities forum to see if there was any interest. I only got one response from someone in another part of Wales. If things get much worse I may start one myself but not ready to yet…

242684 ▶▶▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Melangell, 2, #517 of 1631 🔗

Waves from West Wales (Near Carmarthen). You are not alone we regularly meet up with a local sceptic friend a retired Doctor (as is my wife). Feel free to contact us via our blog www(dot)lizburton(dot)co(dot)uk

242831 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Schrodinger, #518 of 1631 🔗

Thanks for this – I’ll contact you. 🙂
Your blog looks like a great resource. Recommend other LS readers check it out.

242564 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Winston Smith, 21, #519 of 1631 🔗

Saw a friend last night who id not seen in ages, he went to elbow bump me….I told him to fk off with that shit shake my hand or get to fk. Just lost it with the inane crap. He shook my hand 🙂

242617 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to wayno, #520 of 1631 🔗

This is why I practice my elbow strikes on the heavy bag 🙁

242592 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Winston Smith, 7, #521 of 1631 🔗

I’m behaving entirely normally. If other people want to wear their face panties with pride more fool them.

243561 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #522 of 1631 🔗

Mr Smith: I admit to having similar feelings, but one thing which has helped me is this: to forget about getting ‘back to normal’. Instead, I think of myself as being under the rule of a hostile foreign power (which in some sense, we are). Some will collaborate with that power, others will try to remain neutral, still more will resist it. I myself have decided to join the Resistance. Once I made that decision, I started feeling better.

242527 AnotherSceptic, 2, #523 of 1631 🔗

Proof that El Presidente’s Track & Trace system, is a lot of shite.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scotlands-test-protect-covid-system-22997192

242536 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #524 of 1631 🔗

Toby/Will needs to get things right – the Certificate of Vaccination he shows is a Yellow Fever one, been around for years.

Discussed on here weeks ago so they really need to get things like this right or he loses credibility when our “enemies” point out things like this.

he would eb better putting the covipass websites etc links to the WTTC letter to Governments and “new normal” tourism guidelines instead.

242630 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #525 of 1631 🔗

I think it’s just an illustrative graphic to liven up the site and break up the text, surely? Not intended to be specific.

242543 Fingerache Philip., 5, #526 of 1631 🔗

Re: toddlers falling out, spitting out their dummies and throwing their toys out of the playpen (10,Downing street) is funnier than the Simpsons.
Actually that’s a good plot line for that show.
FACT IS TRULY STRANGER THAN FICTION.

242544 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #527 of 1631 🔗

Can anyone recommend towns/communities in England that are particularly anti-mask? The time is fast approaching. Unless a safe place in found, it’s a move to Sweden. Claiming political asylum!

242647 ▶▶ Julian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #528 of 1631 🔗

Someone mentioned Totnes as a hotbed of scepticism.

Otherwise from what people post it seems like places with more people likely to break the rules for other reasons

Where I live people are outwardly at least very law abiding and mask compliance in shops is close to 100%

242826 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Julian, 2, #529 of 1631 🔗

I believe the guardian mentioned Totnes as being a hotbed for “mask misinformation”. How have intelligent people been persuaded to reject what is blatant physical experience. Covering your face makes you breathe in your own exhaled CO2, which is not healthy. What is wrong with people?

242915 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #530 of 1631 🔗

I don’t think Windsor is a hotbed of scepticism but during my last 2 visits there, people and businesses were fairly relaxed.

242546 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 21, #531 of 1631 🔗

That FOI is causing a bit of a stir of the Francis Hoar and laworfiction twitters – hooray.

Someone did accuse it of being photoshopped to try and debunk it – arsehole and the lawyers not that stupid, they have all my correspondence on the matter and the original e-mail and locked .pdf document from the DHSC so yah boo sucks to him.

242547 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #532 of 1631 🔗

Just seen it at the top of saveourrights – lockdownsceptics community now on the offensive?

242567 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #533 of 1631 🔗

I salute you, AG. This demonstrates that there can be a long delay before hard work pays off and that patience and perseverance matter in this long game.

242548 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 89, #534 of 1631 🔗

If there was a genuine deadly pandemic, body bags on the streets, etc. I would soldier on through the lockdown, have good times and bad times, but I would be able to get through it because it I’d believe in it and have hope for the future. It’s the fact that I know we are causing untold harm to millions for absolutely no reason that makes it unbearable. That is the curse of the lockdown sceptic.

242557 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Achilles, 15, #535 of 1631 🔗

Lockdowns would be just as ineffective and harmful in that situation – how deadly a pandemic is has little to do with it. Anyway epidemics caused by deadly pathogens tend to burn out more quickly on their own because the pathogen kills its hosts.

242562 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sally, 9, #536 of 1631 🔗

That may be true but if kids were dying every day in my daughters class, whether based on logic or not I guarantee I would not be sending her to school!

242588 ▶▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Achilles, 2, #537 of 1631 🔗

That’s not the same as a lockdown, though.

242714 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sally, 10, #538 of 1631 🔗

Same principle though is it not? Reduce human interaction, reduce transmission. Except that lockdown is a a collectivist approach as opposed to an individual one. As has been said on here many times in a real deadly pandemic with people dropping around you a lockdown isn’t needed, you would do it voluntarily out of fear. The problem we have is that the media has had to instil that same fear artificially because we don’t see a deadly pandemic…because there isn’t one.

242764 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Achilles, 9, #539 of 1631 🔗

For the record I don’t think there is any scenario in which a government mandated lockdown is necessary or justified.

242786 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Achilles, 1, #540 of 1631 🔗

But, But, But, we would not destroy businesses to force ourselves into slavery for the state.

242823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Achilles, 9, #541 of 1631 🔗

That’s a very good and critical point. There is absolutely no need for government mandated lockdowns as people are quite capable of making decisions and assessing risk for themselves. If people were dropping dead left, right and centre in my neighbourhood, I wouldn’t leave the house without a hazmat suit but I wouldn’t need the government to tell me. Yes, people that have symptoms should isolate but assuming every single person is infected and that the whole of society should basically shutdown is absolute insanity.

243566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Chicot, 3, #542 of 1631 🔗

Even during the plague of 1665, when people were literally dropping dead in the streets, there were no mandated lockdowns of healthy people – only those displaying symptoms were forceably quarantined. And the pubs and churches stayed open, too.

242784 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Achilles, 1, #543 of 1631 🔗

“Artificial Fear” … another phrase for leaflets, handbills and stickers

242568 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 23, #544 of 1631 🔗

It’s not the virus I’m worried about, even if it was actaully a once in a century epidemic that would end eventually. It’s the government-declared “emergency” that’s the real danger.

243139 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DRW, 5, #545 of 1631 🔗

Yes, that’s it in a nutshell. There may or may not have been a coronavirus event, but either way the only real danger now is the utterly corrupt government. This “pandemic” has been a long time in the plotting and the UK government is absolutely part of that plot. Interesting, that the big boss Bill Gates, is planning a royal visit, presumably to check up on the performance of Johnson and his other paid off minions, who are found in droves throughout the government, media and universities. These people deserve the dank prison cell that’s waiting for some of them, others will need to face the ultimate penalty, i.e. that which is now reserved solely for traitors. I will be volunteering to be the hangman’s assistant.

242639 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Achilles, 21, #546 of 1631 🔗

Most of my neighbours happily believe that a quarter of the population has died of this coronabollocks. When I ask ‘where are the bodies then?’ they look at me all funny & tell me that we are the lucky ones here, that not many have died here but ‘it’s terrible up North’.

Mind you its my own fault for living on an estate known locally as ‘God’s waiting room’. Sigh.

PS. On the plus side loads more businesses locally are finding ways around the new lockdown or are just ignoring it completely.

Keep at it people, there are lots more people on side than you think. One person at a time they are coming over to us and making our voice louder and much harder to ignore.

Arnie.

243213 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Achilles, 1, #547 of 1631 🔗

That’s so well put Achilles.

243397 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Achilles, 1, #548 of 1631 🔗

First sentence is the same sentiment I’ve had from the start, interesting to finally see someone else thinking the same!

242551 lorrinet, replying to lorrinet, 13, #549 of 1631 🔗

Who elected Carrie? What’s it got to do with her, and where else is she sticking her liberal beak? Spouses/partners of prime ministers should have to sign a pledge of non-interference before they enter no.10. Sick to death of the Monstrous Regiment Of Women, and of feminists in general (and I speak as a woman)..

242623 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to lorrinet, 2, #550 of 1631 🔗

I wouldn’t call Carrie a feminist of any kind. She undoubtedly believes that a man in a frock is a woman if he says he is.

242555 Nigel Sherratt, 2, #551 of 1631 🔗

Nancy will get a shock if she starts rootling around for ice cream in the WH freezers once Kamala has moved in.

242560 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #552 of 1631 🔗

Tim Harford, new weekly radio programme
‘How To Vaccinate The World’
Starts next Monday 11.30am BBC R4.

just sayin’

242573 ▶▶ DRW, replying to karenovirus, 5, #553 of 1631 🔗

Vaccine propaganda on BBC. Sponsored by…

242561 Pancho the Grey, replying to Pancho the Grey, 8, #554 of 1631 🔗

The government has been using the R rate to beat us with as a reason to be in lock down. I imagine we will no longer hear it mentioned as there is increasing evidence that it is dropping or has already dropped below 1. However the Government has it above 1 for the whole country and tells us that it is increasing (and underlines that by the statement that this is in the expert opinion of SAGE – well that’s OK then)

242576 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Pancho the Grey, 2, #555 of 1631 🔗

Even SAGE admitted it was falling but yet we still needed “four weeks to save Christmas”

242605 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to DRW, #556 of 1631 🔗

For gov website today
Region/ R/ Growth rate % per day
England 1.1-1.3/ +2 to +4
East of England 1.1-1.4/ +3 to +6
London 1.1-1.3/ +2 to +5
Midlands 1.1-1.3/ +3 to +5
North East and Yorkshire 1.1-1.2/ +1 to +4
North West 1.0-1.1/ 0 to +2

Sorry about layout – tabs don’t work

242581 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Pancho the Grey, 2, #557 of 1631 🔗

It’s why they use R, they can say it is whatever they want it to be.

242565 Caroline Watson, 16, #558 of 1631 🔗

Since the full lockdown came in, positive tests in the North East, which were previously falling, have been rising considerably. This includes Northumberland; a sparsely populated area at the best of times, and now totally dead except for a few masked zombies. How is this happening? A vast increase in testing? The same people testing positive multiple times? There must surely come a point where more people have tested positive in Northumberland than actually live here.
Anecdotal evidence indicates that the people testing positive are NHS staff and their families. I have also heard of someone who went into hospital for a knee replacement, caught the virus and died. This is not a community problem; it is an NHS problem.

242566 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #559 of 1631 🔗

OFF TOPIC: How much extra money needs to be donated to this site to lose the “You may like” advert section just there ^?

An advert for reusable, comfortable to wear masks for £35 does seem a bit out of place on this site and it makes the site look like those crappy, tacky news sites (like the Guardian) that do similar things…

242572 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, -22, #560 of 1631 🔗
242575 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #561 of 1631 🔗

🤢 🤮 🤑

242579 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #562 of 1631 🔗

I wish I could thumbs down it myself…

242815 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #563 of 1631 🔗

Please remove this offensive photo.
Are we not in a mask-porn free zone?

242820 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to CGL, #564 of 1631 🔗

A billion apologies, I can’t edit it now 🙁

242587 ▶▶ kf99, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #565 of 1631 🔗

Adblock plugin on chrome, never seen any adds on this site. (Sorry, Toby)

242594 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to kf99, 2, #566 of 1631 🔗

Or use Opera browser with ad-block built in.

242597 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Pancho the Grey, 3, #567 of 1631 🔗

Or Brave Browser with ad-block

242625 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #568 of 1631 🔗

Maybe get an ad blocker? I am not seeing any adverts here; I am using Firefox with pop up adverts blocked.

242766 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #569 of 1631 🔗

Adverts on here? What adverts. I have never seen any adverts. I guess it’s my adblockplus plugin doing it’s thing.

242570 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #570 of 1631 🔗

LISTEN TO T R NOW!!!

242583 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #571 of 1631 🔗

I am doing. But what kind of effing job title is ‘Head of Health Influencing’? She’s another charity funcitionary who just does the (as chaos would call it) “blah, blah, blah, blah” and sod all else.

242589 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #572 of 1631 🔗

We are seriously considering having the shop as a base to offer ‘support’ to people who are struggling to cope. I *think* this is allowed in stasi Britain.

242602 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 1, #573 of 1631 🔗

Yes, an apologist for the government.

242624 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #574 of 1631 🔗

I was struck by her foolishness about “we must get the virus under control” – complete misunderstanding of reality (an ignorance intentionally manufactured by those in power).

242638 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark, 1, #575 of 1631 🔗

Another mealy mouthed patronising git.

242650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #576 of 1631 🔗

Exactly. Why doesn’t she get of her bloody arse and actually do something.

242693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 1, #577 of 1631 🔗

What? you mean actually do some work?

242749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #578 of 1631 🔗

I know, it’s a novel concept. We used to have (in normal times) a manager from a charity shop in the town conduct interviews in our shop. She would be there for ages. And I would wonder why can’t you do this in your shop; why do you need to have coffee (that you then claim on expenses) and why does it take so long – as far as I could make out the interviews were for shop assistant roles. It smacked to me of just one long jolly.

242778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 2, #579 of 1631 🔗

We’ve all seen this sort of thing over and over again.
I well remember one manager who used to bring his car down to the factory yard where I worked on Sunday afternoons and spent hours washing his car using the company’s water and “booked” hours (double time) overtime.

242609 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 2, #580 of 1631 🔗

Agree, I am almost 72 and she is the last person I would want to represent me.
Apologist for the government.

242571 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 2, #581 of 1631 🔗

A little help if possible. Yesterday someone posted on here with a list of issues that lockdowns cause eg suicide, heart attack deaths etc. I would like to use that info on my next MP letter, could anybody piont me to it?

242616 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Jonny S., 7, #582 of 1631 🔗

It was in the main update section.

These were the issues listed:

  • 25 million GP appointments lost (source: Care Quality Commission)
  • 3 million people backlog for cancer screening (source: Cancer Research UK)
  • 350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred (source: Cancer Research UK)
  • 986,000 women not screened for breast cancer (source: Breast Cancer Now)
  • Nearly 2 million waiting >18 weeks for planned surgery, such as knee and hip operations (source: NHS England)
  • 111,026 patients waiting >1 year for treatment (source: NHS England)
  • AMD and cataracts have gone untreated leaving patients at risk of sight loss
  • 1 in 10 mental health patients has been waiting 6 months for help (source: Royal College of Psychiatrists)
  • The number of people drinking at ‘high risk levels’ has doubled since February – now 8.5 million (source: Royal College of Psychiatrists)
  • Off-licence alcohol sales are up 24.2% with beer sales up 66% (source: Kantar)
  • 48% of UK respondents increased alcohol consumption and 54% increased drinking frequency (source: Institute of Alcohol Studies/Global Drug Survey Special Edition)
  • Just over 1 in 10 of over 70,000 surveyed had suicidal thoughts or thoughts of self-harm during the first week of lockdown (source: Samaritans)
  • Calls to domestic abuse helplines have surged (source: Refuge – For Women & Children Against Violence)
  • 750,000 jobs lost March-August (source: ONS)
  • 11,120 chain store outlets closed January-June (source: Local Data Company and PwC)
  • 45% of businesses have less than six months’ cash reserves or none (source: ONS)
  • 673,000 fewer workers were on payroll in August compared with March 2020 (source: ONS)
  • Record fall in GDP (21.8%) during first half of 2020, greater than France, Italy, Canada, Germany, US and Japan (source: ONS)
  • Public borrowing of £173.7 billion in the first five months of the financial year – more than triple all borrowing for entire previous year (£56.6 billion) (source: ONS)
  • UK national debt at record high >£2 trillion for first time ever (source: ONS)
  • 33% of adults reported high levels of anxiety (source: ONS)
  • Charities face £12.4 billion loss of income (source: Chartered Institute of Fundraising [IoF] and the Charity Finance Group [CFG])
  • Graduates less likely to find work/internships: 49% of small and medium sized businesses have cancelled internships or work experience, whilst 29% of larger firms have (source: The Sutton Trust)
242622 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Sarigan, #583 of 1631 🔗

Thanks, that’ll help a lot.

242580 Milan, replying to Milan, #584 of 1631 🔗

I shared this article https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/ few days ago.
I didn’t know that the author is now a member of Biden health response team.
The article is interesting in and of itself, regardless of the fact that Biden is >75 years old.

The facts and points made in the article are a criticism to the way the threat of covid-19 has been exadurated. There is constant talk of “saving lives” but large majority of people who died (from or with the virus) are very old and frail. So, it’s not so much about saving lives as it is postponing death.
Another thing is lockdowns didn’t even managed to “save” these people and in some cases they made it worse (case of New York and old peoples homes).
But even if lockdowns successfully did “save lives” (postponed death) of some portion of very old population, they did so at a huge cost to everyone else (young, middle aged and old). Decision to lockdown was just insane (including, of course, the first lockdown).

Aside from covid-19 and lockdowns, there are also some ethical/philosophical issues with trying to live as long as possible.

Here are some parts of the article:

In the early part of the 20th century, life expectancy increased as vaccines, antibiotics, and better medical care saved more children from premature death and effectively treated infections. Once cured, people who had been sick largely returned to their normal, healthy lives without residual disabilities. Since 1960, however, increases in longevity have been achieved mainly by extending the lives of people over 60. Rather than saving more young people, we are stretching out old age.

“But as life has gotten longer, has it gotten healthier? Is 70 the new 50?
Not quite. It is true that compared with their counterparts 50 years ago, seniors today are less disabled and more mobile. But over recent decades, increases in longevity seem to have been accompanied by increases in disability—not decreases.”

As Crimmins puts it, over the past 50 years, health care hasn’t slowed the aging process so much as it has slowed the dying process. And, as my father demonstrates, the contemporary dying process has been elongated.

So American immortals may live longer than their parents, but they are likely to be more incapacitated. Does that sound very desirable? Not to me.

Even if we aren’t demented, our mental functioning deteriorates as we grow older. Age-associated declines in mental-processing speed, working and long-term memory, and problem-solving are well established.

“American immortals operate on the assumption that they will be … outliers. But the fact is that by 75, creativity, originality, and productivity are pretty much gone for the vast, vast majority of us.”

But here, too, living as long as possible has drawbacks we often won’t admit to ourselves. I will leave aside the very real and oppressive financial and caregiving burdens that many, if not most, adults in the so-called sandwich generation are now experiencing, caught between the care of children and parents. Our living too long places real emotional weights on our progeny.

Unless there has been terrible abuse, no child wants his or her parents to die. It is a huge loss at any age. It creates a tremendous, unfillable hole. But parents also cast a big shadow for most children. Whether estranged, disengaged, or deeply loving, they set expectations, render judgments, impose their opinions, interfere, and are generally a looming presence for even adult children. This can be wonderful. It can be annoying. It can be destructive.

Living parents also occupy the role of head of the family. They make it hard for grown children to become the patriarch or matriarch. When parents routinely live to 95, children must caretake into their own retirement. That doesn’t leave them much time on their own—and it is all old age.
….
….
I take guidance from what Sir William Osler wrote in his classic turn-of-the-century medical textbook, The Principles and Practice of Medicine : “Pneumonia may well be called the friend of the aged. Taken off by it in an acute, short, not often painful illness, the old man escapes those ‘cold gradations of decay’ so distressing to himself and to his friends.

242593 ▶▶ Milan, replying to Milan, #585 of 1631 🔗

and this one:

As for the two policy implications, one relates to using life expectancy as a measure of the quality of health care. Japan has the third-highest life expectancy, at 84.4 years (behind Monaco and Macau), while the United States is a disappointing No. 42, at 79.5 years. But we should not care about catching up with—or measure ourselves against—Japan. Once a country has a life expectancy past 75 for both men and women, this measure should be ignored. (The one exception is increasing the life expectancy of some subgroups, such as black males, who have a life expectancy of just 72.1 years. That is dreadful, and should be a major focus of attention.) Instead, we should look much more carefully at children’s health measures, where the U.S. lags, and shamefully: in preterm deliveries before 37 weeks (currently one in eight U.S. births), which are correlated with poor outcomes in vision, with cerebral palsy, and with various problems related to brain development; in infant mortality (the U.S. is at 6.17 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, while Japan is at 2.13 and Norway is at 2.48); and in adolescent mortality (where the U.S. has an appalling record—at the bottom among high-income countries).

242631 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Milan, 1, #586 of 1631 🔗

Covid, the new pneumonia

242601 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 7, #587 of 1631 🔗

I will be delivering 100 of these today:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1326615494594531329/photo/1

If anybody has any other posters and postcards, etc. Please let me know.

Thanks.

Arnie.

242645 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 6, #588 of 1631 🔗

I’ve been putting posters up here but they are continually removed. I have also recently been dobbed into the authorities for my recent blackboard piss-takery (for apparent encouragement of rule-flouting). It’s really difficult in this neck of the woods because compliance is so high.

242659 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to kh1485, 9, #589 of 1631 🔗

KH, compliance is definitely melting here on the South Coast. I’m not saying we’ve won, we haven’t but there’s a very strong sceptical undercurrent now.

Stay strong, keep attached it, we will, indeed must, win.

Arnie.

242705 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Arnie, 4, #590 of 1631 🔗

I think a problem arises in differentiating between the state of mind where people will bend the ‘rules’ (whilst still accepting that they are ‘rules’) and the mind-set that crosses the border into seeing it as all confected bollocks.

My impression is that truly crossing that boundary is still a minority pursuit when push comes to shove.

242729 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 6, #591 of 1631 🔗

I hope you are right. Trouble is here there is still a large majority who think this is all a bit of a lark – the ‘I’m alright Jacks’. While I get support for my trying to continue to run the shop with some semblance of normality, there are still many, including those who (ho, ho, ho) have said they will visit me in prison who think it’s all a bit of a laugh. And I pointed out to some the other day, when they said they would still support us, that it needs to be more than just buying a cup of coffee – grateful though I am for that – they need to stand up and be counted.

242604 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #592 of 1631 🔗

Reposting:

“Search – 2020/s/207-506291
Tenders Electronic Daily.
MHRA Buyer Organisation (Medicines & Healthcare products
Regulatory Agency Gov.U.K)
Section II: Object
II.1.4)short Description
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED%3ANOTICE%3A506291-2020%3ATEXT%3AEN%3AHTML&src=0&fbclid=IwAR2CF1YylyNNGyF9yw1P0shDxPSiXINBV5q2KDySUQKqZLCArdze2td8Y3k

Emphasizing:

“the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs§

242610 ▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #593 of 1631 🔗

As you can see, this was a tender at the European level.

242620 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 1, #594 of 1631 🔗

Not denying this is disturbing. But we don’t know how ADRs might be defined in this situation. Due to the short timescale of development it might be planned to record absolutely anything and everything that individuals present for medical care with after a vaccination, assuming the potential for causation until enough data is collected to assume otherwise. In fact this would seem very wise.

242628 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #595 of 1631 🔗

It reveals that the real testing will follow a rollout.

242634 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 1, #596 of 1631 🔗

Yes, that’s what I was driving at, I think!

242692 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to calchas, #597 of 1631 🔗

Be careful people when sharing this link fbclid is a Facebook flag that could possibly alert social media algorithm that it is being shared. The link can be trimmed

242621 Mark, replying to Mark, 13, #598 of 1631 🔗

Dom and Boris were said to be having a “furious row” in Downing Street last night. Some observers saw this as a power struggle between Dom and Carrie Symonds, the Prime Minister’s girlfriend, who is reported to have objected to the appointment of Lee Cain as Chief of Staff on the grounds that he’s a man and Boris hasn’t appointed enough women to senior positions. Is Boris really paying attention to this codswallop? My sources tell me he is.
In addition, the FT quotes a “Conservative official” questioning whether it is “appropriate” that all the people with access to Boris “would be men”. “That’s hardly governing in the spirit of Biden-Harris ,” he said.

Thing is, this speculation is exactly what you would expect to be released by Cummings’ propagandists, who will have pushed this to the media, and as likely made it up completely as based it on any substance, to try to get them talking about undue personal influence deployed against them in a “power struggle”, on grounds that many conservatives will regard as fatuous. On the other hand, those critical of Cummings probably did use the political correctness identity balance ploy in their arguments, because these specious ideological “positive discrimination” nonsenses are almost invariably used as tactics in such disputes and as means to undermine targets for removal or sidelining.

What on earth is “governing in the spirit of Biden-Harris”, and what kind of “Conservative” official would talk in such terms?

“Conservatives”, obviously, like most senior members of the “Conservative” Party

There are ordinary people who just stupidly believe in the identity lobby political correctness poisons about a supposed need for supposedly representative numbers of members of “special” categories everywhere, because we have collectively been indoctrinated in these dogmas so heavily for so long. But in politics, there are two kinds of people who use identity lobby nonsense of this kind – thoroughly unconservative “Conservatives” or leftists, who actually believe in it, and cynical opportunists using it mendaciously as a tactic.

Cripes, if these are the lackeys clustering around Boris he’s doomed, and so are we .

Good to see you are catching up, Toby. Peter Hitchens was pointing out how useless and how profoundly unconservative the “Conservative” Party is, a decade ago, and has written books about it.

242627 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mark, 3, #599 of 1631 🔗

I’m surprised his time in Russia when Dom was a lad hasn’t had more interest, considering what is going on now.

242653 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dan Clarke, #600 of 1631 🔗

Don’t know about that. but I suspect Cummings will be back on the outside sharpish anyway, as soon as Brexit is safe or Johnson is out of government.

And when the truth comes out, my suspicion is that he will have played a big part in undermining this government’s resistance to the panic in March. And bear in mind, that’s based entirely on a neutral (wrt Cummings himself) reading of the information available. Unlike many I had no strong feelings about Cummings prior to this, and such feelings as I did have were broadly positive.

242703 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mark, #601 of 1631 🔗

Once Brexit is done, I expect both of them will soon be out of government.

242655 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #602 of 1631 🔗

Agree. He is certainly not a Conservative. In my view he is a Marxist. He should have been sent packing after the Barnard Castle incident. I also do not believe he/his wife does not know the people behind the £600k communications spend on the firm brought in to assist Kate Bingham. Upper-class Northumberland is a small circle of influential families who wine and dine together.

242683 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, -2, #603 of 1631 🔗

In my view he is a Marxist.”

As much as Mr Toad is honest.

Just chucking terms about loosely to match your own likes and dislikes doesn’t progress any sensible political definitions.

242699 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to RickH, 7, #604 of 1631 🔗

Going to risk getting some slime dumped on me here (as Peter Hitchens would say) but didn’t you call Trump a “tosser” yesterday?

242829 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 1, #605 of 1631 🔗

You are a tad too sensitive to this!

242736 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #606 of 1631 🔗

The problem with the Barnard Castle incident was that nobody ever said, “you know what, Cummings did the right thing breaking lockdown, who was going to look after his kids when both parents were sick? These rules are stoopid” The rules should have gone, not Cummings.

242776 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Recusant, 5, #607 of 1631 🔗

Lots of people did actually say exactly that here. Many people here suggested that they did not feel able to criticise someone for breaking rules which were in themselves so unjustifiable.

But the conclusion of many of those was that such a defence should not apply to those involved in making and imposing the rules. Iirc TT was one who wrote exactly that here on numerous occasions.

And that should apply with double force to someone who actually was an enthusiastic promoter of the rules in question for other people, as I suspect Cummings was.

In government you either obey the rules your government brings in, or you take a stand on principle against them, and resign.

242842 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #608 of 1631 🔗

Intriguing. Can you point to anything in his blog or similar suggesting he believes in the dictatorship of the proletariat? Or is it the company he keeps, hard to think the Northumberland squirearchy are a bunch of scheming revolutionaries out to bring in the new world order?

242954 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sylvie, #609 of 1631 🔗

Ross Clark’s take in the Telegraph, just posted:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/12/dominic-cummings-hanging-thread/

‘The real battle is between the superpowers – Dominic Cummings on the one hand and Tory MPs on the other, with the Prime Minister, like Berlin, sandwiched in the middle’

242640 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 23, #610 of 1631 🔗

Most of my neighbours happily believe that a quarter of the population has died of this coronabollocks. When I ask ‘where are the bodies then?’ they look at me all funny & tell me that we are the lucky ones here, that not many have died here but ‘it’s terrible up North’.

Mind you its my own fault for living on an estate known locally as ‘God’s waiting room’. Sigh.

PS. On the plus side loads more businesses locally are finding ways around the new lockdown or are just ignoring it completely.

Keep at it people, there are lots more people on side than you think. One person at a time they are coming over to us and making our voice louder and much harder to ignore.

Arnie.

242646 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Arnie, 7, #611 of 1631 🔗

depressing that people can be easily misled

242649 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #612 of 1631 🔗

Depressing on steroids…

242662 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Arnie, 7, #613 of 1631 🔗

I hope you’re right, Arnie. Whilst it’s always a fact that subjective experience can be misleading if generalised, it’s also the case that people can be led by the nose to deny the obvious evidence of their own eyes.

If the reported public perception of fatality were to be the case, I reckon there would have been at least two deaths in this street alone. But scared people can’t count.

242664 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Arnie, 13, #614 of 1631 🔗

Funny that, some relatives in the north say the same about the south, they’ve all been very obedient and think that’s why. But, elderly aunt and uncle have come OUT, they’ve had enough and went off to visit their daughter and grandson.

242673 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #615 of 1631 🔗

Good for them, but in what dystopian fantasy world is that a crime?

242770 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #616 of 1631 🔗

Hahaha – in the North they rhink the pandemic’s in the South, in the South they think it’s in the North.

But a ‘pandemic’ is supposed to be everywhere

242800 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 4, #617 of 1631 🔗

Midlands must think it’s at either end.

242847 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DRW, 2, #618 of 1631 🔗

Here (South Shropshire and North Worcestershire) the majority seem to be ignoring it.

242666 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Arnie, 6, #619 of 1631 🔗

All in the best possible taste, you understand.
The little estate next to us is called Mortimer gardens but most people know it as Mortuary gardens.
I can make that joke as I am in my 70’s and some of the folks in M G are younger than me.

242675 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Arnie, 4, #620 of 1631 🔗

The masses are evidently tiring of it, we need to get them on board before it’s too late.

242678 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to DRW, 2, #621 of 1631 🔗

Agreed.

242899 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Arnie, 2, #622 of 1631 🔗

I have made a rod for my back posting in groups on Facebook and now have a ban from sharing links, even music ones! I get some horrible remarks but many are just plain weird. One keeps saying ‘Wibble’ to all my posts. You could inject someone with the vaccine and they dropped dead but they still ‘take their chances’. I honestly feel about to give up. I’ve even had death threats and been told my name is ‘on a list’. Are we now the Jews of Nazi Germany in the 1930’s?

242964 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mutineer, 1, #623 of 1631 🔗

Facebook and most social media is largely a lost cause, IMO. All you can do is post the occasional titbit that makes fun of the Covid situation or in some small way raises doubts. Most people can’t cope with much more than that, and their ‘burn the heretic’ response kicks in.

242910 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Arnie, 1, #624 of 1631 🔗

There was a Tesco facebook ad for how they are keeping us all safe with screens etc. 95% of the comments sounded like they were from here.

242641 Cecil B, 3, #625 of 1631 🔗

Dear Mr Cain, now you have more time on your hands perhaps we could meet? Suggest the Hanselbauer Hotel, it’s very popular this time of year. I will pick up your room tab

Yours

Ernst (R)

242651 Fingerache Philip., 25, #626 of 1631 🔗

Reasons to be cheerful 862: Gym reopens minutes after police who ordered it to be shut down left. (Time after time and over and over again)

242654 RickH, replying to RickH, 23, #627 of 1631 🔗

A couple of bones to pick with today’s edition – both centering around the use of ideas that in a way that concedes validity to the establishment narrative.

First, there is reference to “ the current seasonal epidemic of Covid”.

Does this beast exist? Firstly – there is no sign of any ‘epidemic’. That is a loose use of the term that adds to the hyperbole.

Secondly, the quite usual and moderate rise in all-cause mortality (actually historically quite low) is multi-causal, and there is no evidence that I’m aware of that Covid is a major driver, if it is a contributor.

Then there’s the ‘angels on the head of a pin’ discussion of false positives in the Liverpool testing debacle.

It really isn’t the precise number of false positives that is the issue. This focus tends to subliminally accept that the testing has some validity apart from this particular factor.

The actual argument is about the much wider issues of the definition of the significance of a PCR + result when error factors are so numerous, and, secondly, the whole basis of throwing money at the widespread testing of asymptomatic people – against all previous strategy advice.

As said yesterday :

“Concede the language (and the frame) and you concede the argument.

242672 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, 7, #628 of 1631 🔗

Great post Rick…you are absolutely right….there is no scope for linguistic slippage in all this. Eventually you end up at the bottom of the hill and seeing the ‘case for lockdown 3’. Its essential that all writings give no credence to the prevailing orthodoxy.

242679 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #629 of 1631 🔗

First, there is reference to “the current seasonal epidemic of Covid”.
Does this beast exist? Firstly – there is no sign of any ‘epidemic’. That is a loose use of the term that adds to the hyperbole .”

In fairness to Will, he wrote:

the current seasonal epidemic of Covid – if that’s what it is, and not simply a “casedemic ””

You are absolutely correct, of course, in your concerns about conceding the language, generally.

242723 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 1, #630 of 1631 🔗

The point I was making, Mark, is that an ‘epidemic’ has a quantitative definition in community terms. It is a medical definition and I see no basis on which that level has been equalled – even with distorted ‘case’ figures – particularly if there has been no consultation with a GP.

It is part of that wider language thing, where the terms ‘epidemic’ and ‘pandemic’ have become knee-jerk words for the Scary Fairy to baby about without any reference to their actual meaning.

242761 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #631 of 1631 🔗

Yes, as I wrote, I agree with your point overall. Was just being fair to Will is all.

I suppose given our other disagreements there is probably a tendency to see snark or attack were it isn’t necessarily there.

242765 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, #632 of 1631 🔗

Yes – they like ‘pandemic’ because it sounds like ‘epidemic’, but is scarier.

242695 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to RickH, 4, #633 of 1631 🔗

Laurence Fox’s Reclaim party is raising this as an issue.

242718 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to RickH, 3, #634 of 1631 🔗

In fairness to Prof Livermore, he concludes that “As I write above, one always comes back to the same point, that all these tests are methods to use in a proper diagnostic assessment of a patient, not as standalone screens. ”

Mass testing is criminal waste of money and people’s time but I think there is something worth talking about when we see the apparent emerging disparity in positive results from lateral flow vs PCR. This enabled Claire Craig to make her clear argument to JHB this morning that the whole debacle has rested on deeply flawed testing procedures from day one and that the lateral flow tests may be helping us to define the significance of a PCR+ test.

242734 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #635 of 1631 🔗

Yes, Charlie – but I think my point holds : we have to be very careful of unwittingly endorsing the establishment frame when we seek to make a point.

242802 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to RickH, 8, #636 of 1631 🔗

I agree with RickH. We had the same issue about classifying ‘Gyms’ as ‘essential businesses’. I don’t visit Gyms myself but I am in entire agreement that they should be open; for those who use them they are essential. Who are we, who is anyone, to decide which businesses are essential and which are not? If some one is a customer of a business then that business is essential. Arguing that a particular business is ‘essential’ moves the whole discussion onto ‘their’ ground and thus becomes a fight for specific businesses to be open and others, by implication, remain closed. In a free society ALL businesses are ‘essential’.
The same objection can, and should, be made about ‘key workers’. The concept ‘key workers’ is entirely fraudulent; if someone is working and providing a desired service, that person is a ‘key worker’, end of story. The real object of all this is socialism by the back door, why should ANYBODY in ‘authority’ be able to decide who should provide a service and what service?
These two concepts, ‘essential services’ and ‘key workers’ are apparently innocuous, even virtuous, but are really highly poisonous and inimical to the freedom of the individual.

242957 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stephanos, #637 of 1631 🔗

I agree entirely. Arguing about which businesses should be exempt from unjust legislation is like two political prisoners arguing who gets the more comfy bunk in the cell. That said, any dissent from the official lockdown narrative at this stage should, I believe, be encouraged.

242760 ▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 2, #638 of 1631 🔗

Great comment Rick.

“Concede the language (and the frame) and you concede the argument.”

This sentence needs to be framed at the top of this site somewhere.

242819 ▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to RickH, #639 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely on the money – The key to all this is the validity of the PCR test, if we can ever discover the true FP rate, it will be game over (until the next ruse!)

242663 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #640 of 1631 🔗

For those of you who like to put things in proportion I’ve taken the deaths of people with/without a pre-existing condition and expressed them as a chance of dying per number of people in their age band.
Thus, for the population as a whole for people who don’t have a pre-existing condition 1 in 42,324 have died, whereas for those with a pre-existing condition 1 in 2,079 have died.
For over 80s with a pre-existing condition 1 in 194 have died. For those without a pre-existing condition 1 in 5,787 have died.
For people under 20, 1 in 3,919,544 died who didn’t have a pre-existing condition whereas 1 in 871,010 with a pre-existing condition died.

242677 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NickR, 2, #641 of 1631 🔗

great graph thanks

242790 ▶▶ CGL, replying to NickR, 1, #642 of 1631 🔗

“Pah to perspective and context” – said none of us lot, ever!
That is an excellent analysis – thank you

243412 ▶▶ DomW, replying to NickR, #643 of 1631 🔗

Not sure if it will post, but I used to do this one regularly. England and Wales only

242670 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 17, #644 of 1631 🔗

I must be living in a parallel universe where we live in a country where Government policy is dictated to by the Prime Minister s girlfriend.

Nigel, we are waiting for you. Don t forget Mr Fox.

242698 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to chaos, #646 of 1631 🔗

what does that mean though?

242719 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #647 of 1631 🔗

It points to Rockerfellers.. it points to WEF Davos.. Kier Starmer is trilateral commision – also Rockerfeller.. Rishi is Goldman Sachs, a Davos member.. I could go on… it suggests the great reset might be the madness they are goling for. No other theory fits.. economy destroying lockdowns and tests for a virus most people survive?

242754 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to chaos, 4, #648 of 1631 🔗

I would prefer chaos to the ‘Great Reset’.

As longa sthere is chaos, it means that someone, somewhere, is free.

242752 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Basileus, 1, #650 of 1631 🔗

Now how’s this for joining the dots…. re the ocean.

I met a sceptic shop owner yesterday. He said something about the globalists wanting maritime law instead of the law of the land. I’m yet to dive down the rabbit hole on that one, does it make sense to anyone here?

242793 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #651 of 1631 🔗

No. Maritime Law is for being at sea in international waters. Not for being somewhere that’s a sovereign state. Deals with mineral disputes, etc. If he’s referring to “Admiralty Law”, that is all subject to the domestic laws of the country whose ensign the ship in question wears. So if a Red Ensign, British law; if a Liberian ensign, the laws of Liberia, etc.

242854 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #652 of 1631 🔗

He perhaps meant “martial”?

242747 ▶▶ calchas, replying to nickbowes, 2, #653 of 1631 🔗

Shades of Eva Peron.

242876 ▶▶ Alice, replying to nickbowes, #654 of 1631 🔗

And Mr Kurten!

242687 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DJ Dod, 7, #656 of 1631 🔗

they obviously want no more tourists then, genius decision

242706 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #657 of 1631 🔗

Made sure of that by having the worst ronabollocks in Europe, amongst strong competition.

242753 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anothersceptic2, #658 of 1631 🔗

A lot of the pleasanter warm/hot tourist destinations require this. Costa Rica is a notable exception.

242716 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to DJ Dod, 7, #659 of 1631 🔗

I was there last summer, had a great time. Talking to a taxi driver he said visitors in Valencia were about 15% of what they usually were. The socialist government obviously think this is too high and want to reach socialist bankruptcy at warp speed.

242895 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Recusant, 1, #660 of 1631 🔗

Didn’t Spain have a lot of anti-tourist demonstrations in the last couple of years? Well, they’ve got what they wanted, so hopefully they are happy.

243182 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Cranmer, #661 of 1631 🔗

No, I think that Barcelona had a few, especially against Air BnB. But Barcelona is weird, you’re better off avoiding it. Literally everywhere else in Spain is delighted to see you.

242686 Jamie, replying to Jamie, 2, #662 of 1631 🔗

Can somebody let me know Toby’s email address please? I have a letter to my MP to send him …

242799 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to DocRC, #664 of 1631 🔗

Thanks

242694 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 39, #665 of 1631 🔗

Am sick of being toe-to-toe with British police wearing riot helmets. Please God, let this happen here soon:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1326499529915510786

GENOVA, WEF Occupied ITALY. Day 18 of anti lockdown protests in the Big Lockdown House. Protesters lay siege to local administration building. Police remove helmets in solidarity. When the Police & Army take protesters side it’s Game Over for lockdown.

242993 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #666 of 1631 🔗

Fantastic, this is how it will end

242715 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 11, #667 of 1631 🔗

Taken from here

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

Beds data – reporting the position as at 08:00 on
Thursday, November 05, 2020

Beds occupiedBeds 113,462

occupied by confirmed COVID-19 patientsEngland 10,994

Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 – Total 296

Number of inpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 – Total 1,001

Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 – Total 1,246

Confirmed COVID-19 cases discharged from hospital – Total 977

Why are we in lockdown?

242720 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Jonny S., 3, #668 of 1631 🔗

we all know the answer, it’s those in authority that will never admit it

242725 Maverick, replying to Maverick, 42, #669 of 1631 🔗

I think we should all give Toby a break over the adverts and be grateful he created this site where we can comment and support each other.

242732 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Maverick, 17, #670 of 1631 🔗

Adverts not a problem.

Continual use of the words ‘cases’ and ‘infections’ rather than ‘dubious positive test results’, is.

242750 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 6, #671 of 1631 🔗

Agree with both of your points

I don’t think TY will be too worried about people having a go at him, but I think while we should feel free to air our differences we should also remind ourselves of the fundamental common ground we have between us

242807 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 1, #672 of 1631 🔗

Yes.

Never was unity so important.

For me this issue is more important than anything else.

We are talking about the fundamental nature of human society and civilization.

I agree both both points

Let TY keep his ads in peace.

We have to be careul with the terms we use, so as not to concede the frame.

242751 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to JohnB, 2, #673 of 1631 🔗

Well, yes, but it is quicker – and I think we know Toby’s views on ‘cases’!

242763 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Maverick, 2, #674 of 1631 🔗

Yes, do what most people do, just ignore the adverts.

242789 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #675 of 1631 🔗

Or just get an ad blocker.

242726 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 15, #676 of 1631 🔗

From the BMJ article:

‘However, high-level drive and funding, have been lacking, exacerbated by the Wellcome-Gates-Accelerator exclusion from funding of ‘D’. Consequentially, research establishments excluded ‘D’ trials, focusing instead on repurposing, and new drugs, including in care-home settings. ‘D’ studies would reduce the study patient pool: further, successful ‘D’ outcomes may reduce funding for long-shot studies.’

The article makes the evidenced suggestion that Vitamin D is a more effective prophylactic and treatment than other pharmaceutical interventions. It is, of course, a naturally evolved steroidal hormone and therefore unpatentable.

Well, who’da thunk it??!

Personally, I take 4,000 units per day and have done for several months (having started off on 8,000 units per day for a few weeks). I’m in the latter stages of my seventh decade and, despite Ezekiel’s Edict, intend to make a nuisance of myself for a good while longer just for the hell of it.

242741 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #677 of 1631 🔗

Speaking of Ezekiel, I wonder how the world’s media would have reacted had Trump appointed someone who advocated euthanasia for over-75s.

242745 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #678 of 1631 🔗

The same way that they respond to ANYTHING that Trump says or does!

242883 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to IanE, #679 of 1631 🔗

Trump really ought to have practiced reverse-psychology throughout his tenure. Based on the principle that whatever he was in favour of, was deemed the work of Satan by the media.

242921 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cranmer, 1, #680 of 1631 🔗

I’m not certain that Trump has the intellectual appetite for paradoxical injunctions but it could have been a very revealing experiment!

242911 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #681 of 1631 🔗

This is, effectively, in part being accomplished through the fatally flawed mismanagement of Covid19, and they themselves are indeed advocating it by failing to report or suppressing any voice which counters the murderously inept public narrative – a narrative that Trump, for all his faults, has been reluctant to endorse. But yes, they would of course have had a field day.

242742 IanE, #682 of 1631 🔗

I don’t know if anyone has yet linked to an unusually good (but non-covid) Michael Deacon article celebrating his 40th with 40 ‘pieces of wisdom’ {and, actually, some really are!}, but as it’s worth it (albeit pay-walled for those who can’t get round it), here goes

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/birthday-gift-40-precious-pieces-wisdom/

242744 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 8, #683 of 1631 🔗

Having only just returned from Stockholm myself, I’m disappointed and concerned that the Swedish government is proposing a 10pm curfew for pubs and restaurants. I do hope that they aren’t going to follow the road that we are currently going down.

It’s like every government just wants to jump on that stupid bandwagon cause all the cool kids are doing it. But I am worried that it’ll start the Swedish catch-up I’ve anticipated.

242773 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, #685 of 1631 🔗

Volvo will probably make the best face nappies in the world.

242808 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Two-Six, 1, #686 of 1631 🔗

Volvo is now Chinese owned.

242809 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to DRW, #687 of 1631 🔗

Yeah.. great reset ensnares all in the end?

242818 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 1, #688 of 1631 🔗

Sad that Belarus of all places might be the last refuge.

242861 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to DRW, 1, #689 of 1631 🔗

For us and for the European bison

242871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #690 of 1631 🔗

Both endangered species.

242791 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 5, #691 of 1631 🔗

The Swedish governing elite has a very peculiar attitude to alcohol. When I lived there I was briefly heartened to learn that the state monopoly alcohol shops (which are very good) were to be allowed to advertise. But when the adverts came, they were photographs of abused girls with the caption “next time you buy black market alcohol ask yourself if you’d be happy for your baby sister to be raped”.

Sweden has a really weird puritanical streak. The fact that it’s managed Covid well is partly good luck in having Tegnell and partly the belief in the Swedish Manifest Destiny.

242798 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #692 of 1631 🔗

Yes, a fascinating society, with one or two dark corners in its history.

In the 60s they gave serious thought to developing their own nuclear weapons.

If the government there mandated distancing and masks, then you could be sure there would be more or less 100% compliance.

242824 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to calchas, 1, #693 of 1631 🔗

Except in the Deep South, Skåne, formerly part of Denmark (a Danish friend wants it back and is willing to offer Copenhagen in exchange) – a law unto itself and as right wing as the rest of Sweden is left wing. Woe betide the Stockholm official who tries to tell a Vellinge farmer what to do.

I am sure that they are coming under considerable pressure.

242811 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to calchas, 2, #695 of 1631 🔗

Let’s hope they don’t succumb to it.

242812 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 6, #696 of 1631 🔗

Whoever else they are coming under pressure from, they are under pressure from some of their own people. When I was there, a significant proportion of those I spoke to thought that the virus was a Big Thing about which Something Must Be Done and were worried about the lax measures being taken in Sweden. Carrie can confirm this but to think of Sweden as a place full of sceptics who think like us is not entirely accurate. I took the opportunity to tell them about how shit life is here, and pointed out their results were not better than ours, and that opened a few eyes.

Regarding the 10pm thing, I would be wary of reading too much into headlines and would check a decent translation of a respected Swedish paper, or official websites, or Carrie who posts here and lives there. I have seen a lot of “Sweden about to lock down” headlines and they’ve been mainly nonsense. Some extra guidance in some areas, some relaxation in others, very little actual law and still miles away from what is happening here.

Tegnell and his mentor Giesecke at least publicly think that the virus is a Big Thing, the difference has been in how they have sought to make the measures sustainable.

242851 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Julian, 1, #697 of 1631 🔗

Oh, I’m sure Tegnell has his opponents, but he seemed to be respected by most people we meet, if not universally agreed with.

242748 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 26, #698 of 1631 🔗

Remember when the government carefully considered whether they could afford to give us one extra bank holiday?

242759 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 26, #699 of 1631 🔗

and that if you took your child out of school for 1 day you’d destroyed their future

242769 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom Blackburn, 19, #700 of 1631 🔗

And when high screen time was bad for you, especially kids.

242875 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #701 of 1631 🔗

…and when face masks were not effective nor necessary.

242771 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 13, #702 of 1631 🔗

Lockdowns cause more death from covid-19.

The reason as I understand it is

1 – no lockdown – herd immunity reached quickly amongst the young who are out and about – the old don’t go out so much anyway but are a bit more careful in a ‘pandemic’. A sort of self-organised Great Barrington

2 – lockdown – herd immunity slowed across the board – infection leaks from young to old. drags the whole process out so old people have to go out at some point. A sort of enforced Great Barrington but where the young don’t get immunity any quicker than the old

243009 ▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, #703 of 1631 🔗

And the can gets kicked down the road into the autumn/ winter when immune systems are much less robust.

242781 TFS, replying to TFS, 2, #704 of 1631 🔗

Anyone want to comment on this in

Supplement to the Official Journal of the EU:

II.1.4) Short description:

The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.

Type of procedure
Award of a contract without prior publication of a call for competition in the Official Journal of the European Union in the cases listed below

  • The procurement falls outside the scope of application of the directive

Explanation:

For reasons of extreme urgency under Regulation 32(2)(c) related to the release of a Covid-19 vaccine MHRA have accelerated the sourcing and implementation of a vaccine specific AI tool.
Strictly necessary — it is not possible to retrofit the MHRA’s legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health.
Reasons of extreme urgency — the MHRA recognises that its planned procurement process for the SafetyConnect programme, including the AI tool, would not have concluded by vaccine launch. Leading to a inability to effectively monitor adverse reactions to a Covid-19 vaccine.
Events unforeseeable — the Covid-19 crisis is novel and developments in the search of a Covid-19 vaccine have not followed any predictable pattern so far.

https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:HTML:EN:HTML&tabId=1&tabLang=en

242830 ▶▶ leggy, replying to TFS, 1, #705 of 1631 🔗

We’ve discussed it already. On the one hand, it’s an obvious smoking gun. They clearly expect a lot of vaccine injury – very rarely do government use the word “will”:

…the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine.

On the other hand, I’m kind of glad they’re doing something about tracking it.

Really needs to be in the MSM but what’s the chances of that?

242787 Tom Blackburn, 2, #706 of 1631 🔗

Toby’s challenge to Ofcom – what is happening with this??

242788 PoshPanic, 4, #707 of 1631 🔗

If you haven’t seen this already, definitely worth a watch. Dr Marcus De Brun on how he spoke out as doctor and paid the price. This is the latest one and I think sends a strong message to the Coronaphobes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Kn_OseTbk

242796 ▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Victoria, 2, #709 of 1631 🔗

This is wrong, there has been a request made but no warrant has been issued. I doubt this attempt at a private prosecution will go anywhere, even if it gets to a court the DPP will issue a writ of Nolle Prosequi and shut the case down.

242885 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Gladiatrix, #710 of 1631 🔗

On what grounds could the Nolle Prosequi be issued do you think?

242959 ▶▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Basileus, #711 of 1631 🔗

The DPP doesn’t really have to give reasons, there is a general not in the public interest exemption. I am sympathetic, and frankly think there should be prosecutions but I can’t see this being allowed to go ahead because it would make life impossible for any future government.

243131 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Gladiatrix, #712 of 1631 🔗

That’s helpful. Thank you.

242902 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Gladiatrix, #713 of 1631 🔗

What is your source of information Gladiatrix? I am interested to know how we find these things out. Is there a published list of warrants somewhere?

242953 ▶▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Basileus, #714 of 1631 🔗

I have been following the Facebook posts of the people supposed to be driving this. I think what they have done is lodged papers requesting warrants be issued, if warrants had been issued it would be all over the media.

242801 Jay Berger, 2, #715 of 1631 🔗

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/11/joseph-mercola/how-covid-19-vaccine-can-destroy-your-immune-system/

Why the vaccine could make most vaccinated people more sick if they catch the virus than if they stayed unvaccinated.

242805 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #716 of 1631 🔗

I thought Craig Whittaker’s voting against mockdown was out of character. Here’s his response to my thankyou message:

Good Morning,
I hope you are keeping well and thank you for your support regarding my stance on the second lockdown.

As you know the decision has subsequently been passed. Therefore, I will be sure to continue to raise the concerns and argue against these new measures, but for now we need to continue to follow the guidelines, protect others with the measures put in place and hope for good times ahead.

Once again, thank you for your support.
Take care and stay safe.
Kind regards,
Craig

VOMIT!

242849 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cheezilla, #717 of 1631 🔗

Pretty wishy washy, but he is a politician.

242864 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #718 of 1631 🔗

Ours is useless. He responded to my first email to say he would reply via an old fashioned letter, still waiting almost a month later. 2nd email I got no reply whatsoever.

242813 leggy, 5, #719 of 1631 🔗

Utterly bonkers isn’t it. By that logic, the placebo prevented 99.62% of the control group from getting covid, compared to 99.96% of those who had the vaccine.

You can spin stuff however you like.

242814 Victoria, 5, #720 of 1631 🔗

No Life Without Human Connection

I have to say I’m surprised at the sheer number of people willing to surrender their constitutional rights and liberties in return for absolutely nothing.

None of the measures — 6-foot social distancing, mask wearing , self-isolation and select business shut-downs — actually guarantee anyone’s safety. All we need is one infected person left in the world, and safety for all remains out of reach.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/12/how-would-you-prefer-to-spend-your-last-thanksgiving.aspx

242816 tonyspurs, 3, #721 of 1631 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted Prof Sucharit Bahkdi interview
https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE

242817 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 27, #722 of 1631 🔗

Of all the egregious propaganda/advertising that is being ceaselessly vomited over us at the moment, the example that disgusts me the most is the Tesco TV advert. It normalises the insanity of our times (obsessive sanitising, face nappies, treating each other as toxic waste) by turning it into a funny little joke that we can all enjoy… forever.

242821 Arnie, 10, #724 of 1631 🔗

Remember Thalidomide?

Mabel Cow you are a star! Thank you!

Badges available here:

https://www.baffledcow.com/

Mabel makes NO money out of this so actually she’s a double star!

242822 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 11, #725 of 1631 🔗

I was tossing and turning last night and my mind wouldn’t switch off, I got to thinking about how the young have been responding to all this. What I am going to say is obviously generalised and I’m sure there will be plenty who do not fit into what I am describing.

Unders 40’s (some older)seem to me to be completely obsessed with social media. They are constantly looking to see what other people are doing and posting pictures of their own ‘perfect’ existence. It appears that living in the moment never happens anymore, everything they do has to be pictured (probably doctored) and sent to their followers. This way of living is a complete anathema to me and for a long time I have found it so shallow and sad.

What has all this got to do with what’s going on?, I hear you ask. I have found that the young seem to have been quite accepting of what is going on. My youngest son shrugs his shoulders and thinks I’m mad when I rant and rave about the whole thing, this seems to be the case among all my sceptic friends and their offspring. I think going along with the crowd is more important than it ever was, people need the ‘likes’ on social media or they just can’t cope. Young people have always followed the crowd but this phase used to end a lot earlier than it does now, I truly believe that we matured a lot earlier. Therefore, far fewer young ones want to stand against the tyranny in fear of not being liked. Let’s face it, everything today is about looking perfect, having a perfect partner, perfect house, perfect car, perfect life. We know that reality is often the reverse of what is shown on Faceache, Instagram or whatever else. I think too many are living in fantasy land to be able to see what is happening. Rant over.

242903 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mrs issedoff, #726 of 1631 🔗

I agree. I can see my younger brother just give up on making head or tail of things. He just wants it to end.

242938 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Mrs issedoff, 5, #727 of 1631 🔗

Whilst young people are despairing under lockdown everyone under 25 has had the majority of their lives practically controlled by social media. Unfortunately, when social media is telling you to accept what is going on, that is what you will do because you have taken part in the cancel culture that will come for you if you do not follow the social media groupthink.

Social media creates the illusion that you are informed but realistically it just takes away any need for critical thinking.

242966 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ricky R, #728 of 1631 🔗

Yes especially when all the massive platforms are exercising draconian censorship from any alternative point of view.

242948 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mrs issedoff, 3, #729 of 1631 🔗

My kids hate this and know its bollocks but in general prefer to keep their heads down for fear of losing their friends, and also try not to think about it too much because it is very upsetting. I can sympathise with these positions, though I would like them to be more like me, get rid of the friends who are clearly idiots and face and speak up more against the nonsense, but anyone with kids will know that they have to come to things in their own way. But they ignore the rules as much as possible, and no longer believe a word they are told by the government.

242827 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #730 of 1631 🔗

The latest hospital data has just been released here:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/Covid-Publication-12-11-2020_v4-CB.xlsx
The NHS have 2 categories of patient:

  1. Admitted, patients who have a positive diagnosis before the get to hospital
  2. Diagnoses, patients who are already a patient when first diagnosed

Now no one will say that ‘diagnosed’ equates to a nosocomial case but in general you would expect people to have got a test prior to getting to hospital.
The chart shows the proportion of patients in the 2 groups. As the hospitals get busier an increasing number are people who were already in the hospital.

242841 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NickR, 2, #731 of 1631 🔗

Presumably positive tests in hospital are still recorded even if there are no symptoms to justify a diagnosis?

242848 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #732 of 1631 🔗

Yes, this isn’t a measure of symptoms just positive tests.

242859 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NickR, 1, #733 of 1631 🔗

Just checking! It was the use of ‘diagnosed’ that made me question this, despite being well aware that such terminology now means whatever Valance and Shitty wants it to mean.

Very clear and powerful graphic. Thanks Nick.

242866 ▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to NickR, 5, #734 of 1631 🔗

I looked at this a couple of months ago with the same logic as you (ie admitted with positive test = caught it in the general populace and diagnosed = caught it in hospital) with the same conclusion as you.

75% of cases in hospital caught it in hospital and therefore those numbers should be taken out of all analysis when ‘justifying’ lockdown.

I dont understand why this fact isnt being screamed from the rooftops? No amount of lockdown measures are going to stop you catching something in hospital! Lockdown can (supposedly) only stop you catching it if youre NOT in hospital.

If it did we would have locked down over that ‘superbug’ scare a few years which people were getting in hospital.

Prof. Heneghan did produce something similar where from memory he said that the number was actually about 20%. I have no idea what data he is privvy to, how its being analysed (though the logic above is simple enough) or how he got to that figure but even bowing to his expertise in this matter, even 20% is pretty scary.

242956 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to The Rule of Pricks, #735 of 1631 🔗

17.6% in hospital infections is his calculation.

242869 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NickR, #736 of 1631 🔗

Bar emergencies anyone going into hospital must be prior tested negative, in our case at an inconvenient location on the edge of the city with no bus service.
Emergencies are tested on site.

In the middle of lockdown 1. a medic told me of a third category ‘Clinically Covid’. A patient exhibiting enough symptoms to be diagnosed as having covid yet repeatedly testing negative.

242901 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, #737 of 1631 🔗

Can I ask a favour?

What do you make of the Northern Ireland hospital data? We’ve next to no good analysts sceptically looking at these numbers so it’s hard to counter arguments that we are collapsing

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9

243274 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #738 of 1631 🔗

I had a quick look, you can’t do anything with the data because you can’t access the raw data, but clearly hospitalisations peaked some time ago. I’ve linked the most salient chart below:
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9

242834 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 23, #739 of 1631 🔗

Anyone else making plans to celebrate “Loss of Liberty Day” on 26th March next year? I will hang a white flag from the door, paint jail bars on my window and wear an orange guantanamo suit for the day just to get in the spirit.

242853 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Achilles, 2, #740 of 1631 🔗

I’ll probably get pissed for a few days as a re-enactment. 🍷

242855 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 2, #741 of 1631 🔗

I might “celebrate” the one year anniversary with a trip abroad.

242943 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Achilles, #742 of 1631 🔗

I like the idea of wearing orange. no great effort involved but a good message

243027 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Achilles, 2, #743 of 1631 🔗

No doubt the BBC will be clearing the schedules for an all-day special “Covid-19 1st anniversary”, presented by Dan Walker and that bint from The Saturdays, both masked, where we will be invited to “celebrate how the nation came together” to fight “this devastating virus” and how it is “really important” to ensure that we “never, ever, let our guard down” while we watch shots of dancing nurses and Captain Tom.

243384 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Now More Than Ever, #744 of 1631 🔗

Far too accurate, thanks.

=]

242835 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #745 of 1631 🔗

I’m sure more than a few of us have been confronted with the ‘Long covid’ argument, that even if mortality is low we have to think about the long term efects.

If so, then nothing new.

Here are couple of links which reference the same thing with flu:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/symptoms.htm

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects

242840 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 9, #746 of 1631 🔗

Indeed – a key argument when dealing with the “long covid” argument is to ask for context and comparisons to other post-viral conditions, in terms of the prevalence, duration and severity as a proportion of those affected.

242857 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Julian, 13, #747 of 1631 🔗

it’s called post viral fatigue, nothing new.

242878 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #748 of 1631 🔗

Exactly, I’ve been telling people these things are common reactions to infections (not just viral ones). It’s another thing to spread panic.

242873 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 6, #749 of 1631 🔗

It seems to affect disproportionately a particular demographic – white, middle class metropolitan women who work in education, healthcare or charities!

242936 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #750 of 1631 🔗

You have hit the bullseye again

243020 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #751 of 1631 🔗

As I said yesterday, it’s the new yuppie flu! A colleague of mine – white, middle class, metropolitan woman who works in an educational charity – claims to have it, despite seeming fine and being able to go out shopping! I just roll my eyes.

243564 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #752 of 1631 🔗

This reflects your social circle, not reality.

Women predominate, because we have a more complex fluctuating hormonal system, but there is no class or educational disparity:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1046/j.1440-1819.2003.01132.x

243033 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, #753 of 1631 🔗

Sadly not easily done, as until the arrival of covid, post-viral fatigue and other issues were considered “normal” or dismissed as yuppie flu or mental health issues.

243032 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to calchas, #754 of 1631 🔗

A simple refuting argument – how much more damaging to how many more young people will unemployment and sky high taxes for the rest of their lives be?

242836 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 21, #755 of 1631 🔗

Pathologist: ‘Mass testing in Liverpool shows testing we have had has failed.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8d3e43Xk

A consultant pathologist has told talkRADIO the mass testing of Liverpool has proven the original coronavirus tests “failed.”

Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Dr Clare Craig said she was initially against the idea of mass testing, but “what’s happened in Liverpool has completely turned the tables.”

Mayor of Liverpool Joe Anderson has said more than 44,000 people have taken part in the city’s mass coronavirus testing pilot, which began on Friday. Dr Craig says only 0.5% of those testing were found to be positive.

“What that means is we have a really good test at showing who has definite Covid. It has shown up the testing that we’ve had to have failed.

“Mass testing the whole of Liverpool is not the key.

“We need to be re-testing people who have been misdiagnosed and get the diagnosis right.

242844 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #756 of 1631 🔗

David Kelly treatment for her or end up inside a sports bag.

242891 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 2, #757 of 1631 🔗

Haha. If that was the case Yeardon would have been disappeared a while ago

242940 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #758 of 1631 🔗

It would be interesting to know how many of that 0.5% actually had any symptoms. I thought they said the liverpool mass testing was for people without symptoms.

What that means is we have a really good test at showing who has definite Covid. It has shown up the testing that we’ve had to have failed.

Does it mean that? Is the false positive rate 0? Maybe it tells us that we still don’t have a test good enough for measuring the prevalence of an infection that is this uncommon.

I assume she actually is referring to infection with sars-cov-2 when she says ‘covid’ after all that is what the test is looking for – its not actually evaluating the individuals state disease.

242843 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #759 of 1631 🔗

This shows ‘Diagnoses’ v ‘Admitted’ patients to English hospitals.
Remember, the Diagnoses patients were already in hospital when first tested. It doesn’t mean they all caught the virus in the hospital but it does mean that they were in hospital for more than a day before anyone thought to test them. So, in most cases they can’t have been admitted because it was thought they were a Covid patient.

242862 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NickR, 5, #760 of 1631 🔗

“It doesn’t mean they all caught the virus in the hospital”

Of course, it doesn’t mean that they have caught ‘the virus’ at all – they just ‘tested positive’.

Sorry Nick, I’m not saying that you meant to imply that either.

I sometimes catch myself accepting the frame they wish to impose too.

242845 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 4, #761 of 1631 🔗

I’d like to read the anti-mask WSJ article Toby recommended as it is a major US publication of repute, but ….paywall. Does anyone here know how to get beyond it or would be willing to post excerpts?

242970 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Melangell, #762 of 1631 🔗

Type the page address or the article title into (for example) bing.com and then click the results link.

242991 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Arkansas, #763 of 1631 🔗

Didn’t work for me – greys out after a tantalising first paragraph unless you subscribe – but thanks!

242852 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 12, #764 of 1631 🔗

Interesting to read today’s reports about the bust-up in No 10. Some people here have remarked previously that this government is “conservative” in name only. It may have started off with the best of intentions but through sheer ineptness it has allowed itself to be captured by a woke elite. Now they are destroying the economy and our way of life in a vain attempt to suppress a virus that poses no more than a tiny risk to the vast majority of people. Next year we can look forward to full-blown socialist tax hikes to pay for it all. Whoever would have thought it. The only hope of getting out of this madness in the short term is for the CRG to grow rapidly and force Johnson’s hand. Here’s hoping.

242865 ▶▶ DRW, replying to James Marker, 8, #765 of 1631 🔗

The issue is that every previous rebellion has talked the talk but never walked the walk. Many MPs were supposedly opposed to local tiering but perfectly fine with England wide tier 4, hyped up but ultimately pathetically weak every time.

242877 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 2, #766 of 1631 🔗

Any MP (or anyone else) who questions details of policy, without questioning the narrative, validates the narrative.

242879 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to James Marker, 3, #767 of 1631 🔗

Next year we can look forward to full-blown socialist tax hikes to pay for it all.

Indeed anyone working for a living, from minimum wages to high salaries will be heavily taxed for at least the next 10 years. On the other hand the cronies that were awarded lucrative government contracts without scrutiny will be swimming in money forever.

Keep an eye out next year when MSM will again start smearing anyone earning over £60k a year to distract from the fact that these cronies made so much money.

242912 ▶▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Victoria, 1, #768 of 1631 🔗

I think you need to review your 10 year figure. From memory (so could be wrong) didn’t we have 10 years of austerity to save £37bn? As we have now pissed £300bn plus up the wall that equates to nearer a 100 years of extra taxation on my ‘back of a fag packet’ calculation.

242920 ▶▶ Mark, replying to James Marker, #769 of 1631 🔗

Whoever would have thought it

Me. I would have thought it (the government, and indeed the “Conservative” Party hierarchy, being “Conservative” and not meaningfully conservative). And said it.

And Peter Hitchens would have thought it, did say it, and indeed wrote books about it years ago.

242933 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, #770 of 1631 🔗

Decades ago in fact

243102 ▶▶▶ James Marker, replying to Mark, #771 of 1631 🔗

Really? You thought Johnson would effectively metamorphose into Corbyn?

243141 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to James Marker, #772 of 1631 🔗

Johnson personally I gave the benefit of the doubt to and hoped would be resistant (though in truth he was never more than the least worst of the options available), which only goes to show how desperate we are and how effective his self-misrepresentation was, in view of his actual performance when tested, which almost could not be further from conservative in any important sense.

The bulk of the Party hierarchy, and therefore government in general, absolutely they only differ from the likes of Corbyn in the rapidity of the pc, mass immigration, big spending, busybodying, state welfarist policies they intend, along with some foreign policy details. The rest is pretty much pr.

As Peter Hitchens explained it on TalkRadio, quite aptly, recently:

It used to happen, although the two political parties had many faults and no one’s saying they were perfect, the great thing was that they more or less represented the old divide in the country, which existed I suppose up until the mid-sixties, which was basically a class divide. But since then they don’t represent the divide in the country, which is now something completely different. I’d sum it up in shorthand as the difference between Polly Toynbee of the Guardian, and me. It’s all about social and moral issues, and education and marriage and sex and things of that kind, and not about nationalisation and trade unions any more. The two political parties are basically very much on the Polly Toynbee side. They don’t really have anything to fight each other against, so they have these phony wrestling matches every few years in which they pretend to be opposed to each other and in which huge amounts of money are spent on public relations tricks of various kinds and one party or the other wins….the Tory party nearly died, should have died, in 2010, but was madly saved by the electorate who decided to rescue it from its deserved doom, and also what’s more to endorse David Cameron’s Blairisation of it, so that the Tory party had become under David Cameron a Blairite party and Tory voters rushed to vote to approve this, and so they saved it. If that hadn’t happened the Tory party would in my view have collapsed, been unable to raise funds, or continue, and there would then have been a hole.

https://youtu.be/HTCAM7t2ntM

We desperately need at least one party that represents people who disagree with the Guardian left on everything . Time for replacements of both the “Conservative” and Labour Parties. Though how that can be done without the same establishment lefty pc buffoons taking over again, I have no idea. Perhaps we are locked into a 1930s Spain situation and civil war will ultimately be the only way out.

243199 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Marker, replying to Mark, 1, #773 of 1631 🔗

Well, there is certainly a need for a new political party, no doubt about that. Reform UK is a welcome start, though I doubt Nigel Farage will command enough support to get into parliament – though who knows. He may possibly be able to pull the Conservatives back from leftism if enough Conservative MPs start to worry about support draining away. I hope the UK does not become like Spain in the 1930s, but the culture war is getting worse and Lockdown Sceptics vs Statists is very much part of that war in my view.

242884 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 3, #774 of 1631 🔗

Would you rather stay in the UK than take the “non compulsory” travel vax?

242886 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Eddy, 3, #775 of 1631 🔗

For now the answer is yes. I won’t allow it. But I have to admit to myself that I have no idea how much pressure is coming and how strong I will be.

242888 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eddy, 9, #776 of 1631 🔗

yes. I haven’t been on a plane for the last 10 years. I hate all the security bollocks, I find it quite scary and I really can’t be arsed with it.

242893 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Two-Six, 8, #777 of 1631 🔗

I love going to new places but I absolutely hate the actual travelling part, it’s a massive pain in the arse at airports with the waiting, queueing, waiting, queueing etc.

243107 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Anothersceptic2, #778 of 1631 🔗

There are other means of transport apart from flying.

242928 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Two-Six, #779 of 1631 🔗

Agreed. I hate it as well. However, I have no choice but to grin (with gritted teeth) and bear it. It gets more intrusive as time goes on.

242962 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tenchy, #780 of 1631 🔗

It is a pain. But after going through it every working day for as long as I can remember, I’m pretty quick at getting through security. All items in a jacket so everything goes through at once, lighter in a clear plastic bag (?!), no liquids, no loose coins, what a palaver.

242947 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Two-Six, 2, #781 of 1631 🔗

Actually, I haven’t been on an aeroplane since 2001. I can’t stand all the security nonsense so I drive, using a ferry which has become progressively worse. I can remember turning up at Dover without a ticket and then getting on the next boat. It used to be only 20 minutes wait before departure, now it is 45 minutes, no reason for the change has been advanced, just making things awkward.

243108 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, #782 of 1631 🔗

This is the first year we have not had a holiday, our trip abroad was cancelled by BA. We were hoping to Go Around the World, one last blast before hanging up our passports but that won’t happen now as we’re not playing their games.

242889 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Eddy, 11, #783 of 1631 🔗

I will not be coerced into having a vaccine so if that means no more foreign holidays then so be it. Once airline income is down it’ll soon stop.

242898 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #784 of 1631 🔗

Will it though?

I can’t understand why the airlines aren’t challenging this right now as the consequence is quite obvious.

242918 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to JHuntz, 9, #785 of 1631 🔗

I work in the travel industry and there are two possible answers:

1) The Govt do not understand the way the industry works at all (i.e. refunds etc) and think that their financial packages are sufficient.
2) The Govt does not see tourism as a viable sector and have no interest in saving any airlines or travel businesses.

The airlines, airports, hotels, tour operators, travel agents etc are all crying out for help and are being completely ignored.

242997 ▶▶▶▶▶ Herts MT, replying to Sarigan, 1, #786 of 1631 🔗

For my sins, so do I.

I think both of your answers are correct. The complete lack of interest and understanding by UK governments in travel/tourism sector has always baffled me.

I do wonder if the “all airlines are evil” mantra because of emissions is also in play.

Fortunately private jets beloved of eco celebrities, manage to only omit patronising soundbites to us plebs and so are carbon neutral.

243109 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 1, #787 of 1631 🔗

Time they stopped bleating for help, got together, and refused to implement the mad totalitarian rules.

242917 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Anothersceptic2, #789 of 1631 🔗

I’ve seen plenty of posts on a frequent flyer site that indicate they’ll push and shove to the front of the vaccine queue to start flying again. To be fair I don’t know how representative that is of the public at large but it is alarming. They are showing no discernment whatsoever. No real problem for me if they want my dose; I won’t be using it.

242949 ▶▶▶ daveh2, replying to Anothersceptic2, #790 of 1631 🔗

Not a vaccine (yet), but if you go to the Canary Islands on holiday after 14th Nov you have to have a negative PCR test done within 72 hours of departure.

242988 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to daveh2, 2, #791 of 1631 🔗

some of the smaller islands sole income is tourism so they’ll soon realise this won’t work once people stop going there.

242892 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Eddy, 10, #792 of 1631 🔗

Would you rather have your testicles smashed between two house bricks or have your head stoved in? It’s a question that cant be answered. I’d rather leave the UK and live in a freedom loving country, but there are none.

242900 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to dickyboy, 1, #793 of 1631 🔗

Indeed.

242909 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #794 of 1631 🔗

Going abroad is not just holidays – some of us have family we’d like to see at least once in this life.
I wonder what would happen on Eurostar – I suppose they are going to follow the airlines…

242922 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Alice, 1, #795 of 1631 🔗

Correct. My livelihood relies on people travelling abroad and often requires me to travel abroad myself.

242926 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to dickyboy, 3, #796 of 1631 🔗

South Dakota

242955 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to dickyboy, 2, #797 of 1631 🔗

Did you get that question from a Yougov poll by any chance ?

242906 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Eddy, 1, #798 of 1631 🔗

Unless I retrain I have to travel for work. Rock and a hard place.

242908 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Eddy, 3, #799 of 1631 🔗

I’d sooner go to an actually sceptical country but as just about everywhere is on board with all this with no escape, I’m stuck here.

242942 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DRW, 1, #800 of 1631 🔗

Nicaragua and many other Latin American countries, African nations such as Tanzania, Sweden. I believe there are around 50 countries in the world who haven’t jumped into this.

242931 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Eddy, 2, #801 of 1631 🔗

I would be sad but not devastated not to be able to travel abroad again, but I would need to consider my close family who have themselves close ties abroad. A tricky decision.

There are medical reasons why a vaccine may not be advisable for me (even more so than most) so I may be “exempt” though that might cut no ice with countries/airlines enforcing any such restrictions.

Perhaps if there was somewhere better to emigrate to, after a few years of seeing relatively little in the way of side effects in others I might consider it.

243098 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Eddy, #802 of 1631 🔗

Yes. I’m not having it no matter what and I suspect many will feel the same.

242887 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 12, #803 of 1631 🔗

Another expert scumbag Dr John bell being lauded by the media as of late:-

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/new-5-covid-test-could-19267081

This is just a whole list of egregious statement:-

Professor Sir John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford University and a member of the Government’s vaccine taskforce, said the current contact tracing system was based around a “big stick that beats people up”.

He’s correct about this but it goes on…

“We are living in a word where we need to reopen society back up again and we need a structure to do that and at the moment we don’t have that structure because the whole philosophy has ‘let’s beat them up with a stick’ rather than ‘let’s give them a carrot’.”

We don’t have a structure because governments worldwide have destroyed it…. Who is them exactly John?

“My view is you test people, if they have got a positive result you ask them to quarantine for two weeks and ensure they quarantine for two weeks and if they behave themselves and they quarantine for two weeks you give them a freedom pass for three months and you say you’ve had the disease you can do and do anything you want for three months, it’s fine.”

Id they behave themselves… freedom pass… Who the f does he think he is

“If they test negative you can then have a couple of days freedom because you know that they are not infected.”

Oh thanks very much how generous. I presume I get the two days after 14 days quarantine?

Did a quick search and noticed this that he is Chairman of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Global Health Advisory Board. How very convenient all these so called experts are completely corrupted and Bill and Melinda’s grubby hands are all over this.

242894 ▶▶ DRW, replying to JHuntz, 11, #804 of 1631 🔗

Freedom Pass, how brilliantly Orwellian.

242934 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHuntz, 7, #805 of 1631 🔗

Or just ignore the whole fucking thing – shrug and say ‘shit happens’ and we all get on with our lives.

243104 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to steve_w, #806 of 1631 🔗

Shit happens?
Well, John Bell happens.

242967 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to JHuntz, 3, #807 of 1631 🔗

John Bell was in the same year as me at medical school. I don’t remember him at all- he didn’t drink in the bar, play rugby or cricket or take part in the medical students’ pantomime. I think he must have been preparing for his moment in the sun. I can’t believe an intelligent man can spout such nonsense!

242983 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JHuntz, 2, #808 of 1631 🔗

Just added him to the list

243064 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JHuntz, #809 of 1631 🔗

“They” means anyone that is not him, because everyone else is stupid.

242896 Steve Jones, replying to Steve Jones, 29, #810 of 1631 🔗

VIRUS IS RIFE narrative is a burning platform

Since Sunday, there has been a dramatic shift in virus discussions everywhere. It is no longer taboo to deny that the virus is rife. But this pivot is only very tangentially related to the vaccine.

Until now people have been obliged, in the name of science,  to accept the PCR test evidence that the virus is rife and spreading, but the new lateral flow test in conjunction with saturation testing in Liverpool has completely turned the narrative on its head, since it turns out there is hardly any virus in Liverpool. And we fully expect this pattern to repeat elsewhere. The result is that the mainstream views held by Witty, Vallance, Ferguson,  Johnson, Hancock, the whole BBC, etc. are starting to look ridiculous. The VIRUS IS RIFE narrative is turning into a burning platform; which would always have come out in the end as us skeptics knew: those guys are running out of road now.

Since there is hardly any virus, and the new test can be used to establish the inaccuracy of the PCR test, the mainstream view is about to hit the tipping point and shift to sceptical. Another powerful motivation exists to force this switch, since most people don’t want an unnecessary injection for a virus that has gone away. Skeptics are morphing into powerful anti-vaxxers!

It will be priceless to see Johnson, Hancock and the others quickly jump off their burning platform when they realise the flames are reaching up to them. But they can only jump off the burning platform into the fire; they will still need to explain how they were taken in, why they abused our freedoms and rights; why they spread lies and propaganda; why so many old people died; the false attributions on the death certificates, the fake news and data and importantly why they continued the pointless LOCKDOWN2.

242907 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Jones, 8, #811 of 1631 🔗

BRING
IT
ON
AND
BURN
THESE
CHARLIES

243100 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, #812 of 1631 🔗

Burn them of a pyre of masks.

242976 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Jones, 3, #813 of 1631 🔗

I admire your optimism but I think whilst most are getting tired of it all, they can’t see that platform burning.

242984 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Jones, 2, #814 of 1631 🔗

I expect that they will declare the lateral flow tests faulty and bin the lot – return to full PCR to get the numbers up

243023 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Jones, 2, #815 of 1631 🔗

Easy. They will say that the PCR test is correct and the lateral flow test is missing huge numbers of infections. Embarrassing to have to admit that moonsh*tter has failed, but better than the whole shonky pack of lies being exposed, surely?

243086 ▶▶▶ Steve Jones, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #816 of 1631 🔗

unfortunately for them, they have involved the army, and the British army doesn’t do ‘corruption’. so it’s all going to fall apart now.

242905 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #817 of 1631 🔗

Is the government being run by Dons Gove and Hancock, assisted by consiglieres Vallance and Whitty?

242930 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #818 of 1631 🔗

Don’t forget Carrie!

242950 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to IanE, 2, #819 of 1631 🔗

You are not playing the game: you did not assign her a rank.

243084 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, #820 of 1631 🔗

Maitresse en Titre?

243111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bella Donna, #821 of 1631 🔗

It fits, very well, although I was thinking along the lines of organised criminals, specifically the mafia.

242913 alw, replying to alw, 5, #822 of 1631 🔗

From elsewhere. Be creative, necessity is the mother of invention. Celebrations ahead.

242982 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to alw, 1, #823 of 1631 🔗

Great! I will share with my local Keep Britain Free group and Save Our Rights.

243039 ▶▶ Jo, replying to alw, #824 of 1631 🔗

If it weren’t for the fucking clergy, and paranoid gullible unintelligent branch officers, I would be able to start bellringing practices again.

243095 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, #825 of 1631 🔗

‘Clergy’ is a swear word in my vocabulary.
With a few honourable exceptions, they have proved to be despicable cowards without a shred of true Christianity in them.

243113 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to alw, #826 of 1631 🔗

Bible Study is on then. I’ll tell the vicar.

242916 swedenborg, 4, #827 of 1631 🔗

Interesting comparison C-19 and swine flu pandemic in hospitalized patients. Many things similar apart from a few other co-morbidities in C-19 and elderly patients.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220323213

Systematically comparing COVID-19 with 2009 influenza pandemic for hospitalized patients

“Unexpectedly, the estimated rates of intensive care unit admission, treatment with extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, treatment with antibiotics and fatality were comparable between hospitalized COVID-19 and 2009 influenza pandemic patients.
High incidence of cardiovascular disease, hypertension and diabetes in COVID-19 patients
Hospitalized COVID-19 patients are older than hospitalized 2009 influenza pandemic patients.”

242919 John Stone, 9, #828 of 1631 🔗

BMJ on-line, Prof Christoper Exley and me on PCR testing:-

PCR Testing: the Key Question Re: The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19 Fiona Godlee, Mun-Keat Looi. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4235
Dear Editor
I am grateful to Christopher Exley [1]. If it is not possible to determine in any single instance whether someone carries the live SARS-CoV-2 virus from PCR testing, how is it possible to deprive people of their liberty on the basis of a test, or lockdown a country on the basis of many? [2]
[1] Christopher Exley, ‘ Re: The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19’, 11 November 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4235/rr-6
[2] ‘The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19’, BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4235 (Published 04 November 2020)

12 November 2020
John Stone
UK Editor
AgeofAutism.com
London N22
@JohnStone32

Re: The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19 Re: The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19 Fiona Godlee, Mun-Keat Looi. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4235
Dear Editor,
I am disappointed that the opportunity was not taken to ask Whitty about the PCR test. He knows as everyone knows that it cannot be specific for covid-19 even under the most optimal of circumstances. He needs to provide the public with some clarity on this issue. We are implementing too many divisive and detrimental policy steps based upon myriad false positives.
Competing interests: My research includes work on vaccine safety funded by the MRC, CMSRI and a number of independent donation to Keele University.

11 November 2020
Christopher Exley
Scientist
Keele University
The Birchall Centre

242924 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 21, #829 of 1631 🔗

Today, I just feel like saying no .

243008 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #830 of 1631 🔗

Great

243088 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, #831 of 1631 🔗

Sell me some?

243187 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to annie, #832 of 1631 🔗

You can get them on Redbubble . As usual, I’ve made them as cheap as Redbubble will allow.

If you have a more economical approach (e.g. printing it yourself and using a badge maker), please help yourself to the raw image .

243280 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, #833 of 1631 🔗

This redbubble thing, you send them an image and they make a badge or whatever, somebody buys it, they send it out and do you get some money as well if you want to?

243386 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Two-Six, #834 of 1631 🔗

Aye. Think of a shop name, create an account (just an email-based sign-up), and you’re off to the races. As far as I remember, you need to provide some place for your profits to go. I think I used my PayPal account, but since I set my margins to zero, I’ve need received a payment so I don’t know.

You upload an image, configure which products you want to offer (badges, stickers, t-shirts, mugs, etc.), set your profit margins (default is 20%, I just change them all to 0%), fiddle with the position of the image (I usually have to scale down my badges and re-centre them), and then publish. Easy peasy, takes about five minutes.

Make sure that you use a high-enough resolution and the correct aspect ratio when you create your images. You need a lots of pixel for stuff like t-shirts. See here for the recommended resolutions for each type of product. Badges (“pins”) should be 1000×1000 pixels.

The prices aren’t too bad, but watch out for postage. Some things are fairly cheap, but face masks attract an enormous postage charge. (Not that I think many people here will be buying muzzles…) One last thing: when you order something, they offer either ordinary delivery or express delivery. I’ve found that the ordinary delivery is about five to seven days, so unless you are in tearing hurry it’s probably not worth shelling out the extra for express. Your mileage may vary.

242925 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #835 of 1631 🔗

Anyone else prepared to put money on this alcohol ban being left in place long after the covid bollocks is over?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54919025

242935 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 6, #836 of 1631 🔗

Try stopping alcohol on the Fife circle on a Friday night. Nobody enforced the 2100- 1000 existing ‘ban’ before! Virtue signalling. Is it actually in the byelaws and enforceable? Or more ‘guidance’. Slanje!

243083 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Maccynic, #837 of 1631 🔗

Iechyd dda!

242937 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #838 of 1631 🔗

It said the temporary policy had been put in place to support public health measures and keep people safe during the Covid pandemic

ScotRail said the new measures would help to maintain the physical distancing required while travelling.

They said it would support greater use of face coverings.

What crap. There is nothing
temporary about any of this shit.

It’s getting boring now.

243071 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to stefarm, 9, #839 of 1631 🔗

I’m starting to see the creep of Islam into our lives. Destroy our churches, cover our faces and ban alcohol.

243201 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #840 of 1631 🔗

That’s possibly a side effect welcomed by some in authority, but I don’t think it’s the real reason – which is that we are governed by people who already live in an unreal, detached bubble and so have no problem imposing such laws.

242939 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #841 of 1631 🔗

All part of Alcohol Concern and the like jumping on the lockdown bandwagon.
I firmly believe 10pm closing will be with us for years.
The old old normal was 10.30 which was introduced as an emergency measure in WW1 in an attempt to stop munitions workers turning up pissed.

242972 ▶▶ DRW, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 5, #842 of 1631 🔗

The most worrying thing is that we still have 9/11 “emergency measures” after nearly 20 years. Once these things come in, they don’t go away.

243204 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DRW, 1, #843 of 1631 🔗

ID cards introduced in 1939 were still compulsory in 1952. All adults had to carry them or produce them on demand. They were only withdrawn after a motorist refused to produce his when ordered by a police constable and a precedent was set by the judge who let the driver off.

243224 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, 1, #844 of 1631 🔗

I think you are referring to ration cards, which were ID cards, but it was not compulsory to have them or carry them or produce them.

243310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #845 of 1631 🔗

No, this was the National Registration Identity Card which was not connected with rationing. It was compulsory to carry and produce them until 1952, they were only abolished by chance because an ordinary citizen refused to produce his. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Willcock

243068 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #846 of 1631 🔗

It’ll be Prohibition Mk II.

242941 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 21, #847 of 1631 🔗

This is stunning news. Dr Clare Craig on JHB this morning telling us that the PCR test is wrong and suggesting that everyone use the Liverpool mass testing method to expose the bogus statistics causing this lockdown. Come on Toby run with this!!!

242946 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bill Hickling, 6, #848 of 1631 🔗

It was actually mentioned in yesterday’s update. But yes I agree, if it’s true this other test is better than we should try to put some momentum behind it.

242961 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to mattghg, 6, #849 of 1631 🔗

Oh I beg your pardon. It was. So why is this not being shouted from the rooftops? It will halve the prevalence and stop the lockdown nonsense at a stroke.

242975 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bill Hickling, 17, #850 of 1631 🔗

why is this not being shouted from the rooftops?”

Same reason every other piece of evidence pointing away from the accepted narrative since Day 1 has been ignored.

No-one wants to admit they got it wrong, or people are pursuing their own agendas, or a mix of the two – take your pick.

The people pulling the levers probably know it is nonsense, but it is enabled by collective insanity.

It’s not for lack of evidence that the sceptic case has not had more success – if lack of evidence was a barrier then the lockdown case would have been dead and buried months ago

243022 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Julian, 2, #851 of 1631 🔗

They will have to admit they are wrong if they test the people in hospital again and find a completely different result that is the point Clare Craig is making . All the evidence at the moment according to C C point to the fact that the so called second wave is in fact manufactured by the false testing . Please people just go and watch it before you say it is nothing .I have always believed if we can invalidate the test the government case is finished .

243037 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Julian, 3, #852 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely correct. The truth has not made one jot of difference at all so far. I admire this scientist and what she is saying but chances are fingers will go in ears as before.
We sent our MP pretty much irrefutable statistics about the PCR tests and false positives many weeks ago. It was ignored just as everybody else’s contacts to their MPs are ignored or receive a boiler plate response.

243066 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, #853 of 1631 🔗

More work for the lawyers suing the government for false imprisonment, loss of business etc.

242971 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to mattghg, 7, #854 of 1631 🔗

Or better still, stop testing the healthy altogether. MW

242981 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #855 of 1631 🔗

Call me cynical but ..

Why now?

What’s the catch?

Testing healthy people for a virus which allegedly caused an epidemic which ended five months ago???

Has the frame been adjusted ever so slightly?

I don’t trust these buggers an inch.

243001 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #856 of 1631 🔗

Bill you are right it’s fantastic news and the more airtime it gets it will be impossible to refute . The people who think this is just another news item are wrong .This is the smoking gun and as people have said before destroy the tests and the house of cards fall .

243110 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bill Hickling, #857 of 1631 🔗

Yes, this is a great piece. She written a couple of pieces here and regular updates on Twitter. Another name for the wall of honour?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8d3e43Xk&feature=emb_logo

243120 ▶▶ Will, replying to Bill Hickling, #858 of 1631 🔗

He did yesterday.

242951 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 9, #859 of 1631 🔗

The MHRA anticipate so many adverse reactions from Covid vaccines they will not be able to cope (BMJ on-line letters)

Re: Covid-19: GPs are told to be ready to deliver vaccine from next month
Dear Editor
The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is the executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care. This body is responsible for issuing an emergency licence to allow the use of Covid-19 vaccines in the UK if the licence is required urgently.
The MHRA should NOT authorise Covid-19 vaccines when the agency is already anticipating ‘high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs)’. (1)
Neither should the agency authorise Covid-19 vaccines when the agency admits that it does not have the technology in place to process ADRs and ‘…it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health….’. (1)
In my opinion, the MHRA has already been failing the public; on its website it states that: ‘..It is estimated that only 10% of serious reactions and between 2 and 4% of non-serious reactions are reported…’. (2) I cannot find any information to show that they are addressing this potentially dangerous finding.
During a meeting with the MHRA which I have attended, officers have stated that the reports that they do receive are not routinely followed-up by contacting the reporting health professional, six months to 12 months later, to determine if the individual fully recovered from the reaction or has further deteriorated.
Without this information neither the MHRA nor doctors have any accurate safety data on vaccines. A point that has been raised with the Government time and time again. (3) (4)
Currently anyone who takes a Covid-19 vaccine may not be aware that the procedure is loaded with risks for the above reasons and also because there is no financial safety net for anybody harmed in the process. The vaccine manufacturers have sought and been given indemnities to protect them from potential vaccine damage claims. (5) I understand that health professionals who administer the vaccines will also be protected against claims.
The proposed Covid-19 vaccine, as with all vaccines, will carry a risk of serious injury or death. Vaccine manufacturers’ product information sheets attest to this with other vaccines. A recent example is the H1N1 vaccine which was introduced quickly into the population in 2009 and was found to be linked with narcolepsy and Guillain Barre syndrome (6) (7)
Contrary to how most MPs and the Prime Minister presents people who complain of vaccine damage and labels them as: ‘anti-vaxxers are nuts’ (8), the Government is fully aware of the risks that vaccines pose to the public. Vaccine damage payments of over £74 million have been awarded to people severely damaged. However, Covid-19 vaccine is not listed on the eligible to claim section. (9) The Vaccine Damage Payment Act 1979 would need to be amended to include all people over the age of 21 years and the awards should be made appropriate to the damage sustained on a par with current product liability claims.
As it stands, the Covid-19 vaccine is being promoted as the saviour of the country and according to the media reports, no serious concerns have shown up in the trials.The MHRA, with the authority to licence this vaccine, admits in tender documents that they are expecting a high volume of ADRs but don’t have the technology to cope which they say is a direct threat to patient life and public health.
Meanwhile, the only people taking any risk whatsoever are the people holding their arms out.
References:
(1) https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED%3ANOTICE%3A506291-2020%3ATEXT%3AEN%3AH
(2) https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/yellow-card-please-help-to-reverse
(3) Jabs. Deja vu. Taken from the Daily Telegraph 1st February 1974. Vaccine ‘Risk To Children’ By the Telegraph’s Parliamentary Staff. Jabs perspective.
(4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1615747/pdf/amjph00450-0108
(5) https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability/
(6) https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/09/ministers-lose-fight-to-
(7) https://www.nhs.uk/news/medication/swine-flu-vaccine-link-to-deadly-nerv
(8) https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/24/boris-johnson-says-anti-
(9) https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment/eligibility?fbclid=IwAR0Pz2Yyp

11 November 2020
Jackie Fletcher

242958 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Stone, 3, #860 of 1631 🔗

Quick sell those shares

242960 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, 6, #861 of 1631 🔗

Re: Covid-19 vaccines: Many ADRs are already expected Re: Covid-19 vaccines: Should we allow human challenge studies to infect healthy volunteers with SARS-CoV-2? Seán O’Neill McPartlin, Josh Morrison, Abie Rohrig, Charles Weijer. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4258
Dear Editor
The Ted-tenders electronic daily: Supplement to the Official Journal of the EU, details a contract negotiated by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Agency (MHRA), dated 14.9.20 (1).
It states: “The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed”.
It further explains: “For reasons of extreme urgency under Regulation 32(2)(c) related to the release of a Covid-19 vaccine MHRA have accelerated the sourcing and implementation of a vaccine specific AI tool…… it is not possible to retrofit the MHRA’s legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health”.
Why do they expect that a high volume of ADRs will be generated?
And would it not be more sensible to determine the safety profile of a Covid-19 vaccine while the stable door is shut, rather than monitor the galloping horse once it has bolted?
(1) https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0
11 November 2020
Janet Menage
GP retired
None
Wales, UK

243019 ▶▶ Jo, replying to John Stone, #862 of 1631 🔗

Unfortunately she won’t be listened to, as she has an MMR-vaccine damaged son

243145 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Jo, 1, #863 of 1631 🔗

They will have to listen to her eventually.

243058 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John Stone, 2, #864 of 1631 🔗

Long covid = bad
Long vaccine = who cares

242963 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 36, #865 of 1631 🔗

The Stormont Government are arguing over the call to extend the full NI lockdown for another 4 weeks. Its due to end tomorrow. Bars are now sharing this :

242965 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #866 of 1631 🔗

Time to book a flight to Belfast!

242968 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #867 of 1631 🔗

Ha, I saw this on FB earlier. Fair play to them. There is a barbers near my home town opening regardless as well.

242995 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #868 of 1631 🔗

Remember it’s politicians and their extended familes and friends. As it seems MLAs like to spread the gravy out.

243074 ▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #869 of 1631 🔗

Three cheers for the Irish barmen!

242969 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 26, #870 of 1631 🔗

If a vaccine is effective, the vaccinated individual is immune. Vaccination is a clinical treatment. It is not a public health measure. If someone is frightened concerned about the virus, it is for them to be vaccinated; it is not for them to force or coerce others to be vaccinated. The constant misrepresentation of the concept cannot be any more accidental than the constant misrepresentation of the outcomes of computer models as data or the misrepresentation of positive test results as cases or the misrepresentation of deaths with the virus as deaths caused by the virus or the misrepresentation of hospital acquired virus as hospital admission and treatment for the virus. The constant misuse of language is a fundamental pillar of the hysterical, fear-mongering propaganda.

243002 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #871 of 1631 🔗

It’s just part of the polarisation of debate. No shades of grey. You’re either for compulsory vaccination, or you’re an ‘anti-vaxxer.’ You’re either for Lockdown, or you’re a granny-killer. You either accept the result of the US election was correct, or you’re a conspiracy-theorist, racist Trump lover &c &c &c

243025 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, 3, #872 of 1631 🔗

Framing an issue is not the same thing as misusing words. The misuse of words – such as when Patrick Vallance refers to the outcomes of computer models as data – is, in plain English, lying. Framing is, however, unavoidable, although it can be exploited dishonestly. The distinctions are important. Some people – such as Vallance – are demonstrably stating things they know to be false; whereas, many are, although misguided, sincere. The two categories deserve very different responses.

243030 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, #873 of 1631 🔗

The two are absolutely inter-linked. Framing is a selective process using language.

243053 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, #874 of 1631 🔗

The argument will be, as for other vaccines, that there is a proportion of the population for whom vaccination is dangerous or ineffective (elderly, vulnerable, immunosuppressed etc – conveniently the exact demographic at risk from covid), so therefore everyone else needs to be vaccinated to protect them. It’s masks all over again.

243063 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, #875 of 1631 🔗

It would only protect others if being vaccinated meant you were less infectious. I don’t believe that the study measured that, which seemed odd given I would have thought that was the point.

243582 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, #876 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely, it seems like a huge omission, probably because it would be impossible to measure how infectious someone really is. But I’d bet my bottom dollar that they will use the “protect others” line regardless. It’s what they already do for the flu vaccine – unless that has been proven to make you less infectious? After all, how else could they justify restricting access to concerts, air travel etc, if everyone else could choose to be protected by their vaccines?

243073 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #877 of 1631 🔗

Being vaccinated does not mean that one will not come into contact with the infectious agent nor that one will not be able to pass it one to another individual. It means the vaccinated individual is immune, ie, does not get ill when they come into contact with the infectious agent. Vaccination is a clinical treatment, it is not a public health measure. Anyone pushing the argument that people have to be vaccinated to protect others is either ignorant or is saying things they know to be false.

243577 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, #878 of 1631 🔗

It’s how they’ve framed it for years though, for things like measles etc, so it’s what they will continue to say.

242974 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #879 of 1631 🔗

I’m six years lazy and out of date. But I’ve just read up about Dan Andrews. Another socialist showing his true colours. He signed Victoria up to the BELT AND ROAD INITIATIVE. “It won’t commit Victorians to anything”, he said. So why’dya do it, Dan? What was the facking point, if it didn’t mean anything.
Advance, Australia Fair. C’mon, guys, it’s the coolest wooden horse.

243038 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #880 of 1631 🔗

He is another utter scumbag. I can’t stand his smug grandstanding.

242987 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 31, #881 of 1631 🔗

They now have the mental health and suicide support charities coming out to claim that “there is no increase in suicides or suicide attempts associated with lockdown”. We all know this is bull. We all know people who have suicidal thoughts because of this lockdown. We’ve all heard the number of students killing themselves in halls. I don’t know anyone who has died of Covid but I know 2 people who have killed themselves as a result of the lockdown.

How disgusting is it that the charities meant to help those with suicidal thoughts are coming out to invalidate the mental health consequences of lockdown, branding lockdown related suicide as “fake news” and a disinformation campaign designed to attack the lockdown. Anybody with common sense would be able to see that these policies would drive people to suicide as a result of the impact of social isolation and loss of livelihood. To deny that people are committing suicide because of lockdown is spitting in the face of anyone who has lost someone to suicide in this period as well as those who are struggling mentally.

Lastly, the hypocrisy of a SUICIDE HELP CHARITY claiming suicide isn’t that big of an issue as covid because suicides don’t appear to be above average is a joke when Covid is considered a big deal despite respiratory deaths not being above average for the time of year. The world has gone mad.

242989 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ricky R, 18, #882 of 1631 🔗

It’s mad. The world is mad and not many institutions have any credibility left. This is similar to asthma charities encouraging mask usage.

243004 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 13, #883 of 1631 🔗

Most of these charities are not run by those who have the illness in question. They are woke do-gooders who get a warm fuzzy feeling inside by telling others what to do.

242994 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ricky R, 3, #884 of 1631 🔗

Do these charities actually have access to up-to-date suicide statistics? I doubt it very much – no one else does. They may speak to individuals in distress but they won’t know what happens to them all after phone calls. People may think about ending their lives for a very long time before they actually do so. I’m disgusted.

Have you a link to this being reported, Ricky?

242998 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #885 of 1631 🔗

Was trending on twitter: https://twitter.com/i/events/1277782419999842304

I’m sure you can find an article somewhere. It’s our old friend the BBC working with Samaritans.

243045 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ricky R, #886 of 1631 🔗

Thanks! I will ask my friend who volunteers with Sams what she makes of it.

242999 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #887 of 1631 🔗

There was definitely a news report about two weeks ago from London Ambulance saying that the call out rate to suicidal people had vastly increased over same time last year. Suicide deaths of course take much longer to be established.

243000 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ricky R, #888 of 1631 🔗

Charities rely, in part, on Government Grants. E.G. MIND states that nearly 25% of it’s funding in 2018/19 came from “Government grants, trusts, foundations and other bodies”.

243026 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to vargas99, #889 of 1631 🔗

Well that’s just cool if it wants to forego the other 75% of their funding.

243048 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ricky R, 1, #890 of 1631 🔗

I thought suicide stats didn’t usually come out for at least a year?

243061 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #891 of 1631 🔗

This is where they are getting their data (from the linked report):

Since 2018 the national confidential inquiry (NCISH) has supported a suicide prevention programme inEngland built around NHS geographical subdivisions (STPs -Sustainability & Transformation Partnerships). Our role has been to advise on data and evidenceand several STPs have established “real-time surveillance” (RTS) of suspected suicides to give an early indication of local patterns of risk. The national suicide rate is reported annually by the Office for National Statistics(ONS) -this includes deaths from “undetermined” cause, i.e. probable suicides where the threshold for a suicide conclusion at coroner’s inquest is not reached. ONS figures are based on the registration ofdeaths after inquest. Currently the median time from the occurrence of a suicide to its registration is 166 days.This delay means that ONS figures cannot provide close monitoring of suicide in relation to the pandemic.

243178 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Ricky R, 1, #892 of 1631 🔗

The report actually shows that suicides increased more than 7% year on year from April to now. And that is ignoring the fact that many coroner’s inquests have been delayed, and that the data is extrapolated from a relatively small sample.

What the headline seems to be doing is taking the figures of people who killed themselves on the dates when an official national lockdown was in place, and claimed these as the rate of people killing themselves because of lockdowns.

Unfortunately for the neatness of their data, of course, suicidal people don’t kill themselves exactly on dates defined by the government. Some might kill themselves there and then, others – most – will succumb once the mental health burden becomes unbearable. As I suspect it did for 7.3% who killed themselves not actually during lockdown, just inconveniently elsewhere in the middle of the mass hysteria.

My great uncle gassed himself 20 years after the end of the war, in which he was the only survivor of a group of friends who drowned in a collapsed trench. According to the Samaritans no doubt this was nothing to do with the war at all.

There has already been a 7% increase, and there are many, many people who are no doubt still hanging on and are yet to let go. And that is before they lose their jobs, their houses, their education, human contact, hope etc as the mass hysteria drags on and on.

Shame on the Samaritans. I will never donate to them again.

242992 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 37, #893 of 1631 🔗

Hi everyone if you haven’t seen it get over to talk radio on youtube and watch the Julia Hartley Brewer video that came out today its called pathologist mass testing in Liverpool and share with all you know . Clare Craig has just destroyed the p c r test .Basically they now have a new test which the army have been using and is much more accurate .It is proving that all the people put down as having died in this recent wave is false and if the people in hospital are tested again with new tests and are now negative it will prove the second wave has been a mistake . If this proves correct the governments case is over and so is lockdown .

243012 ▶▶ merlin, replying to wat tyler, 24, #894 of 1631 🔗

I have watched the video. The PCR test has been ripped apart on this forum as well, essentially cycle threshold they run is too high(40-45), should be 25. But the liverpool testing is another big proof that all we have is casedemic.
With johnson about to lose cummings , the lockdown lies may fall apart very quickly.

243031 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to merlin, 1, #895 of 1631 🔗

anybody got a link please?

243049 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to merlin, #898 of 1631 🔗

thanks both!

243072 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #900 of 1631 🔗

excellent interview – hope she’s right!

243079 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #901 of 1631 🔗

she basically says we are in a casedemic due to false positive PCR results. That ‘deaths’ following +PCR test don’t really agree with ITU admissions etc. That the new lateral flow test is far better and proves the PCR test to be massively flawed.

I suppose we will see a difference in excess deaths and covid deaths next tuesday. Of course lockdown probably killing a fair few through stress/not going to doctors with chest pains etc

243119 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to merlin, #902 of 1631 🔗

Surely they will just say that lateral flow tests are the ones that are inaccurate and return to PCR for everything to get the numbers back up?

243040 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to wat tyler, 1, #903 of 1631 🔗

Just watched this also. It strikes me that this presents the Govt with a perfect opportunity to prove its case: use the lateral flow test on every patient in hospitals (who have already tested positive from a PCR test). If they all (or even most) show positive for viral infection proteins then hey presto they were right all along! Question is have they got the balls to do this? I think we know the answer don’t we?

243046 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to vargas99, 3, #904 of 1631 🔗

But they simply just don’t seem to care about the facts, and will ignore this like they’ve ignored everything else, surely?

243460 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to vargas99, #905 of 1631 🔗

The most interesting point is will the government allow the retesting .

243043 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to wat tyler, 2, #906 of 1631 🔗

any idea when the will stop the PCR and just use this LF test?

243099 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 2, #907 of 1631 🔗

When they want the virus to disappear after they have injected everyone with saline?

243075 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to wat tyler, #908 of 1631 🔗

Is the LF test simply more accurate because of lower cycles of amplification Or is it that the LF test is randomly inaccurate and just comes out with lower numbers?

243085 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to FrankiiB, 3, #909 of 1631 🔗

LF test doesn’t do amplifications – just tests for protein associated with the virus. More like a pregnancy test. I don’t know why it took so long to develop or why it is more accurate.

243464 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to FrankiiB, #910 of 1631 🔗

I am a layman myself and am only going by what she said .Why the test are more accurate i am not sure .My guess is tech has improve over the last few months .All i know is that if she is proved right then the government are in serious trouble .

243192 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wat tyler, -2, #911 of 1631 🔗

Doctor calls it, stop using the PCR test.

JHB has been bought imo. She has had every opportunity to stop this shit show but has stopped short and pretends to be someone who wants it to end

243471 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to stefarm, #912 of 1631 🔗

I am not sure why you think that .She has just given airtime to someone with a respectable position who is challenging the government . She didn’t interrupt her or put her down and seemed to me to be in agreement .

243013 Naked Emperor, replying to Naked Emperor, #913 of 1631 🔗

Dear all,

I was wondering if someone who is doing this already might post a handy summary of where to obtain specific data from. I would like to analyse the numbers for myself (and then share) e.g. comparison of admissions or deaths by region on each day in various years. There is so much data spread around on the Gov’s dashboard, NHS, ONS etc but it is quite hard to see which dataset is similar to which dataset in order to compare.

Many thanks!

243149 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, #915 of 1631 🔗

Euromomo for deaths across the EU

243016 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #916 of 1631 🔗

Good day, everyone.
Has anyone heard anything about the Danish muzzle study, and when we can expect to see publication?

243065 ▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 2, #917 of 1631 🔗

Not yet peer reviewed.
Just like the Pfizer trial.
Um….

243357 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Banjones, #918 of 1631 🔗

We need it so badly now that Biden is telling all Americans to wear masks.

243544 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Marialta, 1, #919 of 1631 🔗

Biden has no right YET to tell anybody to do anything.
And let’s hope he never will have.

243028 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 3, #920 of 1631 🔗

What to make of arguments in No.10?

Rumours of a bust up between Dominic Cummings and Whitty or Valance earlier lead me to question whether the goings on could mean pro-lockdown advisors are strengthening their position.

I wonder what Carrie’s views on lockdown are? Is it Carrie and baby that are driving Boris’ government policy more than his official advisors?

I could be wrong but I fear the shake up might not be what I wanted.

243041 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to FrankiiB, 6, #921 of 1631 🔗

Impossible to know what the truth is any more. Maybe this is all just spin and leaks to make us think what they want us to think. Nothing is real at the moment.

243050 ▶▶ annie, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #922 of 1631 🔗

So Cain has left.
Is the Great Ass now lacking his jawbone?

243029 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 4, #923 of 1631 🔗

The government say that they are cautious about the vaccines (while hyping them). But if ordinary people are cautious then are bad people or not people at all (“antivaxxers”) who deserve to be publicly ostracised, imprisoned, interned etc. The MHRA anticipate not being able to cope with adverse reports. This is the most nauseating and frightening political episode we have ever seen. It should also be noted that the Prime Minister was already planning this assault on liberty before Covid.

https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/02/uk-law-commissioner-threatens-criminal-action-against-vaccine-critics.html

243542 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John Stone, #924 of 1631 🔗

You can tell by the government’s patronising reply at 10,000 signatures in the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
what they have in mind. We can see through their weasel words.

243034 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 39, #925 of 1631 🔗

Something appears to have tripped in my brain today.

I just popped out to buy some cream (can’t have coffee without cream) and I found myself looking at the muzzled muppets with utter, undiluted contempt.

Up to now, I have treated them rather like annoying toddlers, misguided perhaps, but not fundamentally lost.

Now, however, I simply see them as the enemy, as people who are just too far gone to save.

I’ve lost interest in trying to convince people of the error of their ways. I just want the muppets to fuck off and hide in their houses so the real people who think real thoughts and make sensible, considered decisions about the risks of life can inherit whatever is left of the country.

I don’t know exactly what the tipping point was, but it was probably seeing the uncritical drooling acceptance of an experimental genetic vaccine for what is now just another part of the common cold.

I need a holiday. Preferably on another planet.

243036 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mabel Cow, 15, #926 of 1631 🔗

Lady in the post office today with an approx 18 month old in a pushchair. Fully masked up, but nose exposed. Toy flute or something similar jammed in his mouth so that he was effectively sucking on said germ rag. Post office staff called him a “good boy” for wearing his mask. It was all I could do not to scream.

Bizarrely however, all three post office staff were wandering about unmasked, free to disperse their germs throughout the building all day long. No one questioned my lack of mask, although I do wear a lanyard as I am not good with confrontation.

243118 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #927 of 1631 🔗

Actually, it might have been the sight of a muzzled two-year old in Tesco today that finally did for me.

I felt like punching the parents in the head.

243353 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #928 of 1631 🔗

Tesco are becoming a major authoritarian player in all this. They require anyone maskless to wear one of their sunflower lanyards. It’s a form of branding.

243454 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Marialta, #929 of 1631 🔗

I’ve just been shopping there and never got asked also there were three others in without masks and i didn’t see them getting hassled . Are you sure that’s now Tesco’s policy ?

243467 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to wat tyler, #930 of 1631 🔗

My Tesco local is plastered with muzzle porn, but no-one’s ever said anything to me about my bare face. I don’t wear a lanyard. To me, wearing a lanyard is just like wearing a smaller mask: it’s still playing their sick game.

243690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Mabel Cow, #931 of 1631 🔗

Yeah i don’t wear a lanyard either but do have an exemption card if ever asked .As i said i often go to tesco’s a large supermarket and no one bothers me .

243603 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Mabel Cow, #932 of 1631 🔗

Wow that’s pure child abuse!
My three year old wanted one so she could be the same as her granddad when we go shopping , I ignored her request.

243884 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to A. Contrarian, #933 of 1631 🔗

You soon get used to the confrontations. I actually look forward to them now…there are not many other ways of having fun in lockdown.

243047 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, 13, #934 of 1631 🔗

I agree utterly. I tipped a long time ago.
What we need is another planet for the zombies.

243270 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 4, #935 of 1631 🔗

My lady-friend put it quite succinctly when she said ‘I’ve decided I hate people’.

243052 ▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to Mabel Cow, 9, #936 of 1631 🔗

I agree – I started looking at the muzzled muppets with contempt a few weeks ago. I have started meandering round the shops singing “highway to hell” and “breaking the law” (even though it’s not the law), to myself. Defiantly making it obvious that I have a face and a mouth that is uncovered. I also say, I can’t hear you please remove that mask so I can understand what you’re on about. Utter contempt from me also…

243056 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #937 of 1631 🔗

Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results- margaret atwood

243060 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to merlin, 5, #938 of 1631 🔗

We are seeing evil leading stupidity by the nose.

243090 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #939 of 1631 🔗

I wish the shops would have one day for mask exempt people. I bet the shops would be full.

243215 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #940 of 1631 🔗

Or one supermarket in every town for human brings only, no nappied zombies.

243539 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to thinkaboutit, #941 of 1631 🔗

Didn’t Anne Widdecombe suggest this too?

243883 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mabel Cow, #942 of 1631 🔗

I just look at them now and shake my head as I go past them. One shouted something at me the other day through his muzzle but could not tell what he said. I just treated him to the victory sign.

243051 Cecil B, 5, #943 of 1631 🔗

One for the quotes section

‘Science should be on tap not on top’

Winston Churchill

243054 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #944 of 1631 🔗

Things are getting worse in Sweden. The cases are rapidly rising. Test positivity 1st Nov 8 % but now probably 20% as in other European countries. Deaths increasing but much lower so far than other European countries. Hospitalizations/ICU 10-15 times more than the nadir in Sweden in August. But they might still end up better than lockdown countries. Compare similar sized Czechia and Austria. They had the first lockdown with few cases and deaths. They both have new “lighter lockdowns” with mask but they are even worse than Sweden in the seasonal wave. Deaths rising faster and hospitalizations/ICU 4 -8 times worse than Sweden.

But all countries can’t prevent the inevitable in a new respiratory virus mainly spreading with respiratory droplets. Lockdown with freezing people’s movement will not work as a hefty part of population are essential workers. SD,even voluntarily in Sweden, will not work. Masks will not work, on the contrary, they most likely reduce SD and virus passes through perfectly in and out of masks. The dramatically increased C-19 in masked Europe as in the masked US States is an obvious example of a total fiasco.
Sweden has now curtailed sale of alcohol after 22 pm in a puritanical mode of theatre for the masses. Even mathematicians in Sweden now requiring “harsh restrictions to combat the virus”. Why cannot a virologist tell all these computer modellers,statisticans, pseudo epidemiologists etc etc that a respiratory virus is unstoppable by definition?

Immunity reached in the first wave will probably influence the results in the second wave but as in Belgium and North Dakota we might have to reach 800 cases per million before the curve bends down. Perhaps at bit less level in Sweden and UK compared to the hard lockdown European countries.

243070 ▶▶ leggy, replying to swedenborg, #945 of 1631 🔗

How does this stack up against tests performed? Any idea?

243081 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 1, #946 of 1631 🔗

What about the context – what usually happens in Swedish hospitals in November?

Euromomo shows nothing unusual so far in Swedish total mortality:

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

243121 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to calchas, 2, #948 of 1631 🔗

Correct.Mortality still lower than normal.September lowest mortality ever.October not finished data yet but looks low.Any new C-19 deaths in Nov will perhaps not show up at all in an excess deaths.

243146 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #949 of 1631 🔗

And that’s the key. Dry tinder theory is all about susceptible individuals. Will there be enough to see this wave overrun their health service?

243135 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to calchas, #950 of 1631 🔗

Yep – nothing to see here really

243158 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, #951 of 1631 🔗

I can remember when sCaReY graphs from Euromomo were all the rage. Funny how you don’t see those anymore…

243129 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, #952 of 1631 🔗

That graph looks strictly for the birds, describing the vertical ascent of a skylark, Swedenborg – and … language!! –

‘cases’ = PCR+ bollocks (Are the Swedes falling for this one?)
seasonal wave” – an invisible magical entity – it’s the usual moderate seasonal rise in illness

Above all – mortality? – the only true metric.

243151 ▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, 1, #953 of 1631 🔗

I fear this “surge” will be used to begin the Swedish catch-up, the 10pm curfew meme is just the start of creeping closer to the rest of the world.

243179 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to swedenborg, 1, #954 of 1631 🔗

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Looks like deaths are topping out at a rolling 7 day average of 13. Bit early to say yet but looks like they’re over the curve with highest daily deaths of 20 on Nov 1st

243247 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to swedenborg, 1, #955 of 1631 🔗

Watch Ivor Cummin’s 11/11 update vid. It shows the science. Facts.

243419 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to swedenborg, #956 of 1631 🔗

But don’t hospital admissions always rise at this time of the year, in Sweden too? And are all these ”cases” (positive results?) hospital admissions? And are they ”WITH” covid rather than ”BECAUSE OF” covid?

Ivor Cummins on his Youtube channel talks figures. It’s what he does very well. They keep telling us here that ”deaths are rising” then we see by comparing the figures with the past few years that there’s little difference in autumn deaths, or hospital admissions. Respiratory illnesses always increase about now. And now that flu cases are being added to the covid figures, it’s hardly surprising that the figures remain steady – a few ”due to” covid and fewer flu cases than normal.

The words ”coercion” and ”manipulation” spring to mind.

243055 RickH, replying to RickH, 3, #957 of 1631 🔗

Just a shout-out.

The video interview with Bhakdi is excellent :

https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE

243067 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to RickH, 1, #958 of 1631 🔗

Really excellent. I got around to watching it earlier and it really gave me a lift. The Prof gets a bit muddled at times with his vocab (but I’ll forgive him because he speaks many more languages than I do, I knew exactly what he meant and it’s a long interview).

243435 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to RickH, 1, #959 of 1631 🔗

Rick it’s one of the best .That and the Clare Craig interview on Julia Hartley Brewer gives me a lot of hope .

243057 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #960 of 1631 🔗

We may not really have a pandemic with the virus but we do seem to have an epidemic of legislation as a result of this virus hoo-haa. Has anyone done a summary of the legal position on all this?
We have a Coronavirus act but we also have statutory instruments made under the Public Health Act, am I correct in thinking it is these that legalize the lock-down?
If this current English lock-down nonsense ends on 2nd Dec as planned does the legislation automatically revert to the position of 3 tiers that we had before the lock-down or is it all up for re-consideration?
Is any of the current virus legislation time limited, or does it all now just carry on until stopped by Parliament?
I think the case for continuing to address this virus via legislation is looking increasingly threadbare.

243137 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #961 of 1631 🔗

The CV act makes certain things possible, needs to be reviewed in a few months I think, but it’s the SIs attached to the 1984 Act that enact the restrictions. I think they are open-ended once they are enacted. It’s the use of the 1984 Act to restrict fundamental liberties that is unconstitutional according to Sumption which is the basis of the Dolan case.

243062 PaulC, replying to PaulC, #962 of 1631 🔗


Dear fellow sceptics – need help! I have been debating over some time with a non sceptic! They have just sent this to me:

”That’s the big story of the day. The coronavirus pandemic is out of control. Today states reported 144,000 new cases and 1,562 Americans died, the highest number of deaths since May 14. Hospitalizations are rising quickly, with more than 1600 people admitted every day. Texas has had more than 1 million infections, and has set up mobile morgues.

In North Dakota, the hospitals are at full capacity. To alleviate staffing shortages, North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum (R) has taken the extreme step of allowing infected health care workers to continue to work, delivering care to those who are also sick. Burgum has declined to issue a mask requirement.”

Can anyone put what is happening in the US in some sort of perspective? Is this seasonal? What are the overall mortally levels over the last 5 years?

243087 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to PaulC, #963 of 1631 🔗

Well for starters I’ve got an average of 8000 US deaths per day.

How do they know all deaths are COVID? As discussed, the PCR test is picking up anything and everything with a significant false positive rate. The inventor did not recommend it for use in testing a population.

How many deaths had multiple co-morbidities.

Hospitals are continually at full capacity, it might be worth googling north dakota hospital capacity in previous years.

Regardless, do they have any idea of the volume of deaths caused due to lockdown. What is the delta between covid and non covid deaths. Put the onus on them to prove that it’s been successful.

Just a few points for consideration.

243277 ▶▶▶ PaulC, replying to JHuntz, 1, #964 of 1631 🔗

Many thanks

243525 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PaulC, #965 of 1631 🔗

Also, show them this from the CDC only two weeks ago.

https://youtu.be/7x-biB_JrcU

Nothing we don’t know. No excess deaths because they are counting 90% as Covid due to dodgy PCR or for the kicks presumably

243092 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PaulC, 1, #966 of 1631 🔗

See Tony Heller videos on YouTube. He has published a number of videos dealing with the coronavirus in the US, focusing on the data and showing how it does not support the lockdown measures. In particular, states’ rights enable him to demonstrate this be showing that the lockdown states have had worse outcomes than the non-lockdown states.

243096 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to PaulC, #967 of 1631 🔗

You might look at the US based website https://makeamericansfreeagain.com/ and contact them regarding this.

243133 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PaulC, 2, #968 of 1631 🔗

Is he or she American? I would tell them that the devil is in the detail always with this stuff. Do not assume headline numbers mean anything. The burden of proof always seems. To be on the shoulders of the sceptics. Now we have the data, it’s should be to the zealots to show that indeed these measures are justified. Is this any different to a flu season? Are care homes being mismanaged and care pathways removed? Are hospitals sending homes PCR + staff and all their contacts creating a manufactured surge in them?

Because all of that happened and is happening here. Why is the US somehow exceptional? And yet now you are aksed to be an expert in their data?

The zealots pull one headline from the BBC and say “I told you so”, despite you having provided reams of independent analysis. It’s almost not worth the time.

243143 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #969 of 1631 🔗

I once had a debate with a supposedly intelligent acquaintance and made reference to Sweden, having spent more hours than I care to remember looking into stats etc. Her answer was to send me a link to a 2-month old smear piece in the Guardian about the Nazi Swedes. I told her to go away and do all the research I had done and come back when she’d done it and we could argue again. She never replied. Got no respect for people like that, who could easily look into it if they could be arsed/could admit they were wrong to start with/admit that SOME things that horrid right wing people say are true.

243165 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 6, #970 of 1631 🔗

People who have adopted a received opinion on the basis of bias, prejudice, emotion are incredibly resistant to contrary arguments no matter how strong the evidence and logical the reasoning.

243189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #971 of 1631 🔗

It works both ways! I’ve been accused of confirming my own bias regarding anti-lockdowns, anti-masks, et al by people who actually believe that SAGE are the absolute oracle of scientific truth. Basis= if the other scientists were top of their fields they’d be part of the SAGE cabal. End of argument.

How do you counter that?

243206 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Alan P, 1, #972 of 1631 🔗

I just pointed out that people persuaded on the basis of non-evidential, non-rational grounds are resistant to reason and evidence. Such people use a variety of defence mechanisms. One of them is projection: they accuse the other of doing what they are themselves guilty of. So pointing out that their SAGE argument is a logical fallacy (argument from authority) will just bounce off. They will only listen when they are emotionally ready to do so.

243399 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to PaulC, #973 of 1631 🔗

Not much help, I know – but isn’t it South Dakota that didn’t have any lockdown and is doing very well?

243078 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to calchas, 5, #975 of 1631 🔗

I can’t read it because I’ll use severely immoderate language. I’m not a hugger by disposition but I want the old normal.

243101 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #976 of 1631 🔗

I made the error of using immoderate language the first time I tried to post it.

243082 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 6, #977 of 1631 🔗

Pure behavioural manipulation. These people are psychopaths. They want a world where we’re isolated and untrusting of each other, where there is little true humanity or compassion, where our cleanliness deprives our immune system of the every day battles it needs to have to remain effective.

Pretty disgusted by this too, but not surprised:

https://time.com/5818134/anthony-fauci-never-shake-hands-coronavirus/

243394 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, #978 of 1631 🔗

I haven’t watched it, but I get the drift.
So why are we falling for this ”bumping elbows” tripe? Why not take up the old custom of clasping forearms?

243089 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to calchas, 6, #979 of 1631 🔗

We that will be the end of humanity as we know it. Most of us need close contact with another to be happy and to survive. Lots of older people die from loneliness.

243115 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 3, #980 of 1631 🔗

“Touch will be redefined in the future”

Is their any human interaction these psychopaths don’t want to re-engineer?

243116 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to calchas, 5, #981 of 1631 🔗

It’s very touching that Klaus and the klowns are so dedicated to manufacturing virtue on our behalf. However, with every attempt at replacing the virtuous with the virtual they demonstrate beyond doubt that they are touched beyond belief in a way which is not just slightly crazy but completely deranged.They get very touchy though when it is shown that, more than anything else, they are out of touch with basic human instincts.

243140 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #982 of 1631 🔗

Touché

243167 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to calchas, 3, #983 of 1631 🔗

This caught my eye: “Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, believes that Americans should never shake hands again.” What a tosspot!

243170 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 1, #984 of 1631 🔗

Didn’t he also promote goggles once?

243077 Cecil B, #985 of 1631 🔗

Have you looked at the wall in the background of the photograph?

It appears to plot the route Dan took from London to Barnard Castle including the stops at the motorway services

No wonder they are looking so glum

243080 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #986 of 1631 🔗

Going to donate blood tomorrow and I will proudly sport my anti lockdown badge.
The blood donor service is desperate for stocks.
I wonder if they might boot me out?
You cannot be surprised at anything in these mad times.

243093 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #987 of 1631 🔗

Dont you have to wear a mask?

243097 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to calchas, #988 of 1631 🔗

Yes.

243122 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #989 of 1631 🔗

Will you?

243132 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark, 3, #990 of 1631 🔗

Yes, because like my fellow sceptics, I truly care about my fellow human beings which gives us the moral high ground.
PS: Don’t think I’m not tempted to say :”Mark my blood with the words: for sceptics only”

243136 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #991 of 1631 🔗

Stand your ground and refuse to wear a mask. If the blood transfusion service cares as much for our fellows as you do they’ll concede your point.

Authoritarians exploit our tolerance and compassion to attack us. A report that blood shortages are due to the inflexibility of the authorities is a victory against them.

PS: as I posted this I saw the absurdity of asking blood donors to wear masks to prevent the spread of infection.

243142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to William Gruff, 7, #992 of 1631 🔗

No, I got an email saying they allow no exemptions. I sometimes get a little hot and bothered during a donation so was not prepared to restrict my breathing. So they are not getting my A+. When they start really run out maybe they’ll rethink.

243154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to steph, 7, #993 of 1631 🔗

Somewhere, someone in the organisation will be aware of the number of people refusing to give blood due to their intolerance of mask dissent. When it gets important enough, they will see sense. Meantime, clearly dogmatic ideological purity is more important to them than the job they were set up to do.

243163 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark, #994 of 1631 🔗

Sadly that is the truth.

243174 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Mark, 10, #995 of 1631 🔗

Actually the tone of the email was unbearably patronising. I had quietly cancelled online because I knew about the lack of exemption. Got a phone call asking me to rebook and when I explained why I wouldn’t I later received the email. I’m not likely to forgive the attitude in a hurry as they brought the fight to me not the other way round. All those people who love wearing masks but have all sorts of excuses not to give blood can take their turn now. I can count on the fingers of one hand the people I know who are regular donors. That’s real public spiritedness, not wearing a filthy rag.
Sorry, turned into a bit of a rant…

243184 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, 1, #996 of 1631 🔗

No Steph, it’s not a rant, I’ve been a donor since 1974(88 donations) and it has got progressively more difficult to give blood, I believe that the service was partly privatized 15/20 years ago.
The percentage of people who gave blood pre Covid I believe was about 4%, I doubt if it’s half that now.

243185 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steph, 4, #997 of 1631 🔗

No – your ranting in this context is totally appropriate.

This is not even ‘cutting off your nose to spite your face’ – it’s cutting of your head to get rid of a zit.

243223 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to steph, 1, #998 of 1631 🔗

Didn’t think it was overly ranty anyway, but you are absolutely entitled to be angered, imo.

And as I occasionally assert, one man’s rant is another’s impassioned and hard-hitting truth-bomb.

243260 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to steph, 1, #999 of 1631 🔗

I’m exactly like you — I have small veins and it takes longer to get blood from me and I get a sick feeling after a time. I can’t even wear a mask for more than a few minutes, so wearing one while giving blood would be a non-starter. My B+ is staying with me for now.

243305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1000 of 1631 🔗

I’m actually a fairly fast bleeder! I just sometimes feel a bit overheated. I never need assistance but it could happen if I’m not breathing adequately.
Your B+ is probably quite rare is it not? I think it’s their loss and by them I mean everyone who goes alongside with the sh*t but expects blood to be there when they need it. Well maybe it won’t be and you’ll only have yourselves to blame.
I do realise the irony if I or one of my nearest have an emergency requiring blood but that’s the sad world we find ourselves in.

243326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to steph, #1001 of 1631 🔗

I think B+ is around 20% or so of the population, so not extremely rare. Perhaps I’ll call Canadian Blood Services and ask about masking just to annoy them. I’m sure the answer will be no mask exemption, so their loss.

243144 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to William Gruff, 1, #1002 of 1631 🔗

Hitchens is a donor, or was. He ran a long campaign to get them to change their minds but they would not. The Welsh held out for a while then fell into line.

243150 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1003 of 1631 🔗

A very personal decision, I recognise.

For myself, I would be inclined to say to them “get in touch when you are willing to tolerate dissent”.

243161 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark, #1004 of 1631 🔗

My younger son who suffers from panic attacks and is exempt from wearing masks has told them exactly that.

243172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1005 of 1631 🔗

Yes – it is f.ing ridiculous that the profession that should know intimately the scientific basis of so-called medical procedures has been dragooned into sheer magical thinking.

Because I’ve had an immense amount of thoughtful, skilled and indeed, life-saving, medical treatment, this is one thing that truly upsets me – the acquiescence to primitive witchcraft in the health services.

243164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1006 of 1631 🔗

I’ve had the same dilemma in health/hospital settings, where the working victims have to wear masks all day. I go along with the ritual in that situation, even if I bite back if anybody dares to tell me to adjust the mask if my nose is (as usual) in the fresh air.

The one thing that I’ve stuck out on in such situations is submitting to a PCR test – another useless infringement of the Nuremberg protocols and basic medical ethics.

You have to pick your battles.

243169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to RickH, 1, #1007 of 1631 🔗

What’s a PCR test?

243379 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1008 of 1631 🔗

But why a mask? Why not just ”a face covering”? That was accepted in my doctor’s surgery.

243148 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1009 of 1631 🔗

You do know it is actually private company now owned by the Chinese who makes a lot of moneys selling blood products to the NHS and others?

243160 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1010 of 1631 🔗

That’s another reason why I doubt I’ll go back even if they come to their senses about masks. The truth is it’s totally inefficient and you can’t get an appointment to donate usually so how come the supposed shortages? Son is O neg and can rarely manage to donate. Like everything else with the NHS label, whether owned by the taxpayers or not, it is a master class in inefficient cumbersome bureaucracy.

243188 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, #1011 of 1631 🔗

My thoughts entirely.

243186 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Awkward Git, #1012 of 1631 🔗

No but it doesn’t surprise me in the least.

243105 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 5, #1013 of 1631 🔗

I think I’ve lost it. I can’t stop laughing

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1326459652494643200

243114 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John Galt, 5, #1014 of 1631 🔗

Philip Schofield and Holly Whatsherface had a go with one on TV some months ago. You do have to laugh at the absurdity/insanity. It’s like a covid glory hole.

243431 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to leggy, #1015 of 1631 🔗

Add them to the list!

243420 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to John Galt, #1016 of 1631 🔗

Suitably derisive comments there.

243106 MDH, replying to MDH, 47, #1017 of 1631 🔗

The longer this goes on, the further we get from the fundamental truth, Covid-19 is not and never was a fundamental threat to humanity. The response is entirely disproportionate. The rest is noise.

243125 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MDH, 5, #1018 of 1631 🔗

Or the PCR cornerstone is kicked out from underneath in a court case. That would be such a reversal.

243134 ▶▶ DRW, replying to MDH, 3, #1019 of 1631 🔗

Exactly as intended, hence the political pressure for a vaccine to validate the narrative.

243221 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to DRW, 3, #1020 of 1631 🔗

Indeed and hence the rush to bring it in fast before the numbers dwindle of their own accord and blow their story. They see a closing window and will get more ruthless yet.

243147 ▶▶ RickH, replying to MDH, 4, #1021 of 1631 🔗

I’d probably say ‘a bit more than just noise’ – I’d suggest ‘supporting evidence’.

But your main point is spot on – we shouldn’t lose sight of the basic fact that the panicdemic always was sheer nonsense at its very root.

243126 Leggy12, replying to Leggy12, 1, #1022 of 1631 🔗

I don’t understand the talk of specitivity and sensitivity in COVID testing. How can anyone know this?

To work this out, you have to test the testa against the gold standard which is right 99.999999999%, we don’t have one.

243191 ▶▶ steph, replying to Leggy12, #1023 of 1631 🔗

The only way you can check if a test is correct, is can you grow a culture of virus from that sample? I think it’s clear that insufficient testing of the lateral
flow test has taken place to establish its specificity.
We know that the PCR tests are being run at extremely high amplification cycles above which no original sample would produce a culture.
None of these facts in any way make a difference to government policy however

243127 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #1024 of 1631 🔗
243128 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #1025 of 1631 🔗

Obedience

243130 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1026 of 1631 🔗

Medicine is a personal belief system

243138 c s, replying to c s, #1027 of 1631 🔗

Has anyone taken a PCR test recently? I want to travel overseas next month to get some sunshine and with most countries requiring a negative PCR test result I was wondering how “personalised” the results are, shall we say? In other words, is it possible to get a generic “negative test result” screenshot that can be used whenever you want, or do they state your name etc?

243153 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to c s, 3, #1028 of 1631 🔗

If you feel the need to get one you need to say that you won’t accept any results if the cycle threshold was above 30 as the result is then useless.

243166 ▶▶ calchas, replying to c s, 2, #1029 of 1631 🔗

Ask them also;

What the risk assessment situation is and:

What are the qualifications of the personnel administering the test?

Are they insured in case of problems – such as damage to the blood-brain barrier?

243385 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to c s, #1030 of 1631 🔗

My husband had to get one before returning to Qatar. They would only accept a test done at The Cromwell in London. Test done, results sent the next morning so we had written evidence. I think it was £120.

243152 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #1031 of 1631 🔗

The reason they need us to stay away from hospitals and our “heroes” at the wonderful nhs ….is because they have 60,000 members of staff OFF SICK! Chronic under training, under staffing and mismanagement over the past years….has led to a service on its knees! Sorry…..update! Today it’s 72,600 on the sickie !!!!!!

243155 ▶▶ DRW, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1032 of 1631 🔗

Off sick with symptoms or just a positive PCR test?

243190 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 1, #1033 of 1631 🔗

Both. plus I read that absence due to stress (caused by being overwhelmed by covid, of course) is at higher levels than usual.

243211 ▶▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1034 of 1631 🔗

And shielding. If all the obese nurses had to shield there would hardly be any staff left in wards.

243244 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1035 of 1631 🔗

Having worked in a large hospital A&E and endured subtle and not so subtle bullying the stress, anxiety and depression are real. Also having to witness the unsuccessful resuscitation of a baby, telling a pregnant 20 something that her sister has just died or talking to someone who has self harmed because they have been sexually assaulted all take their toll.

243343 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to p02099003, 1, #1036 of 1631 🔗

Yes – and I’m sure we all admire that. However, there also has to be the robustness to face these things if one is to be committed to a job. And not take time off because the going gets tough.
(And I do know of what I speak.)

243376 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to p02099003, #1037 of 1631 🔗

Speaking as an ex nurse, ICU/ cardiothoracic and surgical ward sister- while I sympathise with the bullying the rest I find a little out of place, for use of a better expression. What you describe is surely to be expected if you are working in the medical or nursing profession; you are after all working in an environment where people of all ages are sick, need surgery, victims of accidents, abuse and some terminal or die prematurely. If you find such events so stressful, then obviously it is the wrong profession.
I was quite annoyed at the beginning of this fiasco, when nursing and medical staff kept going on about how rushed and overwhelmed they were. ICUs are always busy, and the wards I have run equally so, The media pictures of ICUs looked dramatic and scary, but that is the nature of such an environment, but doesn’t seem so when you are actually working there – the nature of the beast.
I was nursing for 24 years, left in 2000; maybe it’s that staff today, not referring to yourself, are less robust emotionally and physically to meet the demands.

243410 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, #1038 of 1631 🔗

I’ve been in A&E several times as a patient or with children, not always my own! I’ve received excellent care and cannot fault the staff there but my experience of the environment is, it’s a complete madhouse. So much going on and it seems to be an organised chaos. Just working in that environment, even without the emotional stuff, must be very challenging.

243159 ▶▶ calchas, replying to nickbowes, 3, #1039 of 1631 🔗

Should a vaccine become available, I wonder how many will call in sick on the day it is to be administered

243162 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1040 of 1631 🔗

how many of the 1.5 million NHS workers are front line staff, ie. doctors and nurses?

243157 Peter W, replying to Peter W, 6, #1042 of 1631 🔗

Re the Canal Trust piece:
Woke people seem happy enough to buy cheap clothes from the likes of Primark, clothes made in sweat shops which are akin to slavery. Ah, but that’s different I suppose.

243173 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Peter W, #1043 of 1631 🔗

The Woke also seem happy to buy chocolate, which is produced by exploiting child labour, including child slave labour.

243227 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1044 of 1631 🔗

The Woke also seem happy to contribute to the vast mountain of non-biodegradeable discarded facemasks, that will most likely be choking wild-life for years to come.

243272 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1045 of 1631 🔗

Was it not the Woke who we demanding (until a few weeks ago) the ending of the use of plastics, especially single use plastics because they are bad for the environment?

243300 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, #1046 of 1631 🔗

Excellent point Mr Hayes – then along comes something which legally enforces the use of multiple millions of single use plastics.

243175 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Peter W, 3, #1047 of 1631 🔗

You are forgetting its not hypocrisy when they do it, only when we do it!

243180 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Kev, 3, #1048 of 1631 🔗

If they didn’t have double standards would they have any standards?

243202 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Janice21, 3, #1050 of 1631 🔗

Very good, intelligently made argument from what appears very much a left wing personal perspective, so likely to appeal to those ideologically resistant to sources on the right.

243241 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Janice21, 1, #1051 of 1631 🔗

Indeed she highlights a national scandal once again.

243193 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #1052 of 1631 🔗

The critical, from the start German doctor and MP Wolfgang Wodarg, who saved the country from getting vaccinated against the swine flu, has written a comprehensive article on vaccination and the corruption around it.
In particular, and in light of recent developments, he warns against letting vaccinations happen and being done on a mass scale, by nurses, army staff etc.
Any vaccination should only ever be done by one’s current GP, after a proper individual assessment and anamnesia.

243195 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1053 of 1631 🔗

link?

243332 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Jay Berger, #1054 of 1631 🔗

I’d like to read that. Where can one find it please?

243197 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 4, #1055 of 1631 🔗

So this lateral flow test thingy being used in Liverpool seems pretty accurate and just what is needed to convince people that it will give them their freedom back, a nice little test to allow everyone to go to the pub. A trap to bring in health passports and social credits.

Bin the PCR test and use this test.

243200 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 16, #1056 of 1631 🔗

Stop testing altogether!!!

243214 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to stefarm, 24, #1057 of 1631 🔗

We can’t stop testing because then Boris won’t get to think he’s Churchill, Pfizer won’t get billions of public money, Neil Ferguson won’t get to be on TV any more, SAGE won’t get to feel important, the BBC won’t have anything to put on the news, the NHS will have to get back to work, teaching unions will have to let their members go to work, local councils won’t get Covid payouts, Dominic Cummings won’t get to manipulate SIs for political benefit, Amazon won’t get to steal billions from small businesses and Matt Hancock will go back to being a non-entity. In other words, the pandemic will be over.

243222 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 2, #1058 of 1631 🔗

There will be a considerable paucity of ‘news’ if Mr Trump goes. Allegations and fake news stories attributed to him seem to make up about 75% of online content at the moment.

243230 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, 20, #1059 of 1631 🔗

Quite.
But I buy a lot from Amazon and I am unrepentant. Amazon doesn’t force a muzzle on to me, Amazon doesn’t force me to mingle with nappied zombies and hear their moronic gibberings, Amazon doesn’t expect me to stand on stupid little foot markings, Amazon doesn’t pursue me with moronic slogans and bullying notices, Amazon delivers what I’ve ordered at a fair price and without fuss. If any of my local shops showed any sort of backbone I’d go to them, but they are all spineless compliant cowards.

243242 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to annie, 4, #1060 of 1631 🔗

Thats a really good point Annie. A few of the delivery drivers wear muzzles, which I find utterly offensive (the muzzles), but by the time I get to the door they’ve backed up or gone.

Their day would go downhill rapidly if they were to ask me to muzzle up, but I don’t see that happening.

243245 ▶▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to annie, 1, #1061 of 1631 🔗

The Amazon delivery drivers all seem to have started wearing masks in the last few weeks.

243291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to KBuchanan, #1062 of 1631 🔗

To round here

243294 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to steph, 1, #1063 of 1631 🔗

Should say not round here

243249 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to annie, 8, #1064 of 1631 🔗

Annie, you nailed how I feel exactly. I have literally spoken to store managers and put it to them this way: “I would like to support local businesses like yours. Jeff Bezos doesn’t need me to make him richer, but if you will not honour my mask exemption, which by law you are supposed to do, I will order what you offer on Amazon at what will probably be a lower price.” While I don’t have much occasion to do this now that I live in a rural area, it usually works. It won’t budge the Walmart’s, Costco’s and big grocery chains, but small, local businesses have been quite receptive.

243267 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to annie, 2, #1065 of 1631 🔗

I agree that small businesses shouldn’t become overly zealous and should always honour exemptions but they have been landed with a bunch of dictats that many have bent over backwards to try and comply with (under threat of fine) only to be shafted again with lockdown 2. Meanwhile Bezos, Pfizer and Tesco laugh all the way to the bank. It stinks.

243289 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 3, #1066 of 1631 🔗

Oh, c’mon Annie – small shops aren’t in the same position as the predatory Amazon.

243510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, #1067 of 1631 🔗

No, but they are in a position to show a bit of courage, which they just will not do. On the contrary, they out-herod Herod. There’s a small shop in Tenby with a notice in the window ordering its victims customers to wear their nappies CORRECTLY, and I’m really, really looking forward to seeing it go bust.

243886 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, #1068 of 1631 🔗

I have seen one shop with a sign up saying they have had to close for lockdown due to govt dictat and they are sorry for that. They said Johnson is an arse wipe. If only more small businesses showed the same bollocks.

243388 ▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to annie, 3, #1069 of 1631 🔗

I agree Annie. At the start I did try to support small local businesses but I’ve found them to be the worst for enforcing masks and some are really arsey about exemptions so if they want to go bust let them.

243218 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to stefarm, 4, #1070 of 1631 🔗

Personally I would take the test if it stopped all this madness, the masks, the lockdown, the distancing, the incessant bullshit churning. An hour of my time, for no downside to myself, if I came back positive, get a re-test, its almost certainly going to be false.

Now vaccines, thats a whole different matter, no way, would not accept an injection willingly under any circumstances. I was born around the time of phalidomide, it was deemed safe.

243225 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Kev, 7, #1071 of 1631 🔗

I know where you’re coming from, Kev, but it wouldn’t stop the madness. They won’t let it stop. If the tests don’t give the results they want they will move on from them, or just revert to telling us that this is only the calm before the next wave so nothing can change.

243229 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1072 of 1631 🔗

Mass testing perpetuates the idea that covid is a Big Thing about which Something Must Be Done

243297 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 4, #1073 of 1631 🔗

Problem-Reaction-Solution: it’s a classic power-grab technique used since the days of cave men, probably.

243233 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Charlie Blue, #1074 of 1631 🔗

Yeah I know, but if that was all it took to return life to real normal I would do it.

I have zero faith in anything any politician or media whore says, or anyone claiming to be public health.

Won’t do it for any other reason, if you need a test to tell you you’re ill, how mild must that illness be?

243284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Kev, #1075 of 1631 🔗

Resist every step of the way

243285 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Kev, 1, #1076 of 1631 🔗

Thing is, Kev, it isn’t ‘life as normal’ if it’s dependent on the magical thinking around testing.

243203 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to stefarm, 7, #1077 of 1631 🔗

better still, stop testing healthy people!!!

243207 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1078 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely, only use any test to confirm a proper clinical diagnosis for the symptoms that present

243210 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steph, 3, #1079 of 1631 🔗

confirm every death with the LF and we can see how many are fake

243198 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 27, #1080 of 1631 🔗

I was out for a walk today and happened to walk past many groups of youngsters on their way home. About half masked, more girls than boys.

Me: Why are you wearing that mask?

Child: Because we are so crowded in school that we need to keep the virus down

Me: Oh but a mask makes more germs it doesn’t make less germs

Child: ?

Me: In the mask itself it allows bacteria to grow, so you end up with more. Also you should be breathing the waste products out into the fresh air instead it’s going back into your lungs and into your brain (etc). They shouldn’t be telling you to wear these things.

Child responses varied between blanking, possibly listening, and real concern.

Urged them to research online for themselves. You children need to be saying no to this. It’s your life and you should be free to sing and dance ….

They were far less brainwashed than most adults I talk to.

Surely getting the children to pushback themselves is a good way to go? Unfortunately I’d forgotten my leaflet which mentions Margareta Griesz-Brisson

243208 ▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 5, #1081 of 1631 🔗

You need to distinguish between viruses, bacteria, and ‘germs’. Otgerwise you’re on parallel lines that will never meet.
Try pointing out that the virus us so tiny it passes through the gob nappy as easily as a mosquito passes through a chain link fence.
And tell them that there is no evidence whatsoever for outdoor transmission.

THEN you can tell them how good the gob nappy is for breeding bacteria. And tell them that whereas they are virtually immune from covid, they are highly susceptible to a vast range of bacterial infections, starting with ‘maskne’

243273 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 6, #1082 of 1631 🔗

Not really. I’m responding to the individual I’m talking to, and within the time available, not working to a script.
The emotional connection is more important than the logic, to encourage them to think and research for themselves.

243212 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Rosie, 5, #1083 of 1631 🔗

That reminds me of a conversation I had with some schoolboys who flagged me down in London to warn me that ‘cycling without a helmet is very dangerous’. I told them to do some research!

243216 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1084 of 1631 🔗

Why do people accost strangers to tell them that they should be wearing a cycle helmet?

243217 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1085 of 1631 🔗

I presume they were told it at school and were concerned that somebody was not ‘following orders’. They were perfectly polite about it.

243228 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, 12, #1086 of 1631 🔗

Blimey, you must cycle in some dead posh areas. When male teens tried to flag me down it wasn’t to give me safety advice.

243293 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 1, #1087 of 1631 🔗

It was in Hampstead Garden Suburb, London NW11, so I was not overly worried that it might be some sort of ploy to rob me of my 35 year old touring bicycle.

243235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1088 of 1631 🔗

I have had similar experiences from people of all ages, including young adults, middle aged and old people, both male and female. So it is not specific the school children.

243271 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1089 of 1631 🔗

In all too many people, the urge to busybody never sleeps.

243307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Mark, #1090 of 1631 🔗

It isn’t so much that it never sleeps as that it has been sown and nurtured.

243304 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1091 of 1631 🔗

Polite or not they were impertinent. That children think they are in a position to lecture adults is a cause for concern, and a sign of how far down the totalitarian road we have come.

243502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, #1092 of 1631 🔗

Like the horrible children in 1894 , trained to spy on and denounce their parents.
No doubt that’s already happening here in Airstrip One.

243205 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #1093 of 1631 🔗

Tom Woods is excellent in the Covid Cult (about 19min). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcm8Sc8f66o

Also see what happened to all the graphs the facemarks were introduced

Kids growing up to think it is normal to view other people with suspicion and avoid gestures of affection. Babies and infants experience a world where they cant see adult faces or a human smile. And even the old people we are trying to protect are dying from social isolation.

All these things that we have been told to give up which is affection and friendship from less than 6 feet away and indeed large gatherings and family celebrations, companionships. All these things are not, like Lord Sumption says ‘optional extras’. These things are life itself

Life comes with risks. Some of them moderate, some of them severe and some limited. Hiding in your house will not solve it and masks don’t solve it. At one point or another you need to assess the level of risk and live the one life you get.

Also a free downloadable book: Your Facebook Friends are Wrong About the Lockdown https://wrongaboutlockdown.com

243231 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 5, #1094 of 1631 🔗

Tom Woods is amazing! I’ve watched all of his videos since Covid and am on his mailing list. Looks like he has done some great podcasts as well, a recent one being with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, one of the Great Barrington Declaration signatories.

243209 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1095 of 1631 🔗

I suppose the lateral flow test would be less easy to rig. result is +ve or -ve

for PCR – cowboy testing companies just up the cycles – keep the +ves flowing and the work coming in. they don’t have to report it. who cares? sloppy methods, poorly trained staff, cycles of 50 so that someone coughing in the same town 2 weeks ago gives a +ve result. might work great in the lab where it gets signed off – but in the field?

243219 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to steve_w, #1096 of 1631 🔗

so the cynic in me would say they have switched tests on purpose so they can justify that the lockdowns lowered cases

243226 richard riewer, 1, #1097 of 1631 🔗

Vibrant sustainability.

243237 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1099 of 1631 🔗

Point 1: they don’t mention deaths, wonder why not?
Point 2: that short sharp shock really worked, didn’t it?

243234 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 4, #1100 of 1631 🔗

BAME to be prioritised for the vaccine, so it is said.

Now that’s good news.

243239 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, 3, #1101 of 1631 🔗

It is for us unregenerate whities!

243262 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Stuart, 12, #1102 of 1631 🔗

Imagine the recriminations if this vaccine ends up with severe side effects. ‘It was deliberately targeted at the BAME community’

243269 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1103 of 1631 🔗

Indeed. Having their cake and eating it as well was never a problem for the pc left.

243266 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to Stuart, 1, #1104 of 1631 🔗

Perhaps they lack my Neanderthal genes?

243278 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Stuart, 3, #1105 of 1631 🔗

Pigmentation reduces Vit D production in the skin. In UK we should all be taking Vit D as there’s not enough sun in the winter. Those who died of Covid were noticeably deficient in Vit D.

243296 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Marialta, #1106 of 1631 🔗

Unlike Germany.

243372 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Stuart, #1107 of 1631 🔗

Racial discrimination surely?? 😉

243238 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 14, #1108 of 1631 🔗

On Track & Trace…. I know the Gov are getting a lot of criticism from all directions about this. And I agree it’s been a shit show and a complete waste of £16bn. But I actually feel hopeful and optimistic when I see figures cited such as only 48% of contacts successfully contacted. It’s clearly not a capacity issue since their workers are at a loose end. I believe it’s genuinely because half of people are deliberately giving false details and/or not avoiding all attempts at complying by not even answering the phone calls. That’s a brilliant sign! There’s so many more skeptics out there than we know about – the rhetoric has just made them too scared to admit it because they’re scared of being branded Granny Killers. It’s just like the Soviet Union – everyone knew it was a disaster but you couldn’t do anything as there was potentially great personal cost. But when it started to crumble…it collapsed completely quite quickly.

243283 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #1109 of 1631 🔗

It could be people giving false names and addresses. I think it’s just more likely that the track ‘n’ trace workers are themselves hopeless – rushed into the job quickly without proper qualifications or training – and are probably spending more time on trans-awareness courses etc than actual work.

243240 Bumble, replying to Bumble, 11, #1110 of 1631 🔗

With regard to that image above of the vaccination certificate. That is a yellow fever one and so there is a precedent for not being allowed to travel without immunisation. I have an identical one next to me now but haven’t got a clue how to post a picture. Yellow fever and covid are very different diseases and I think having a certificate of covid vaccination to travel would be ridiculous.

243261 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Bumble, 3, #1111 of 1631 🔗

Yeah it could be a bit of an overreaction to that image. I’ve had a vaccination “passport” since 2002 containing the dates, batch numbers and Dr’s stamps to certify that I’ve had certain jabs because as you say, you simply can’t enter some countries without one.

243243 DRW, replying to DRW, 46, #1112 of 1631 🔗

I’m sorry to announce that my mum died early this morning. She had a long term
condition, and at the end was sleeping all the time on very strong medication.
Thankfully she didn’t suffer too much from Lockdown 2 and wasn’t a victim of it. I am also grateful that she is free from all of this shit now.

As sad as it is personally, death is inevitable. All the “saving lives” propaganda is based on instilling an immature attitude that it can and must be avoided completely and belief that stupid diktat compliance actually does this. I mean it’s funny how you never get daily all-cause or even top 10 cause death numbers in the MSN, that might instill some sense of proportion in the masses. No only covid deaths, the great majority that just had a 28 day prior positive test, are the only ones that count. We must appease the great covid devil at all costs.

243246 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to DRW, 11, #1113 of 1631 🔗

Hugs 🙁

243253 ▶▶ Sara, replying to DRW, 7, #1114 of 1631 🔗

My thoughts and prayers are with you, DRW.

243256 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to DRW, 6, #1115 of 1631 🔗

Sorry to hear of your loss. Condolences.

243263 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DRW, 10, #1116 of 1631 🔗

So sorry, DRW. Sending you love and kind thoughts. We are always here for you to help in any way we can.

243268 ▶▶ Mark, replying to DRW, 14, #1117 of 1631 🔗

Condolences. You appear to have a healthy and mature general altitude to it, but I know from experience these things still hurt.

My parents both died during the past few years, and I like to contemplate that they lived to see their grandchildren grow up and went in the natural order, before any of their children. I hope the same will be true of myself and my wife.

243276 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to DRW, 11, #1118 of 1631 🔗

So sorry to hear that news DRW. My father suffered a very debilitating stroke in 2017 and I was grateful when he developed hospital acquired pneumonia and slipped away in no pain.

Thoughts are with you during this horrible time.

243279 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to DRW, 5, #1119 of 1631 🔗

Sending love and hugs.

243315 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DRW, 4, #1120 of 1631 🔗

I’m so sorry for your loss DRW. You seem like a very strong person with a balanced attitude towards it all and I am sending love and healing thoughts your way.

243316 ▶▶ steph, replying to DRW, 5, #1121 of 1631 🔗

Very sorry for your loss. I’m glad Lockdown2 did not impact her final days.
I was strangely relieved that my mother had died shortly before this all started. God knows what impact it would have had on her.

243323 ▶▶ watashi, replying to DRW, 6, #1122 of 1631 🔗

So sorry for your loss DRW. Sending hugs

243328 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to DRW, 4, #1123 of 1631 🔗

Sorry for your loss DRW.
My thoughts & prayers are with you & your family.
Arnie.

243331 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DRW, 3, #1124 of 1631 🔗

My condolences, DRW.

243351 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to DRW, 2, #1125 of 1631 🔗

Thinking of you, it is always a hard time regardless of circumstances. X

243354 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to DRW, 2, #1126 of 1631 🔗

Sending thoughts and love x

243368 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to DRW, 1, #1127 of 1631 🔗

Sorry to hear that. 😪

243375 ▶▶ Sue, replying to DRW, 1, #1128 of 1631 🔗

sorry to hear your bad news DRW. Thinking of you.
virtual hug!

243378 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to DRW, 1, #1129 of 1631 🔗

My sympathies, DRW.

243380 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DRW, 1, #1130 of 1631 🔗

I am so sorry, DRW. Hugs to you.

243402 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to DRW, 1, #1131 of 1631 🔗

Sorry to hear that , thinking of you x

243415 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to DRW, 1, #1132 of 1631 🔗

Sorry to hear of your loss.

243455 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to DRW, 1, #1133 of 1631 🔗

Condolences to you and yours .

243496 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 2, #1134 of 1631 🔗

Thinking of you.
It’s sad that your mother didn’t live to see us liberated, but I’m glad that she passed away peacefully.
All must die. The important thing is to live before you die.

243683 ▶▶ DRW, replying to DRW, 1, #1135 of 1631 🔗

Thank you for all your kind words.

243803 ▶▶ Ajb, replying to DRW, 1, #1136 of 1631 🔗

Sorry to hear about your mother, DRW. Will be remembering you and your family over the coming days

243248 john, replying to john, 17, #1137 of 1631 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/12/covid-vaccine-patent-pharmaceutical-industry-profits-public-sector

The guardian is tying itself up in knots, struggling to reconcile the “vaccine good/big pharma bad” conundrum – They haven’t quite connected the dots and realized that this is a hugely costly vaccine with little real benefit…

243425 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to john, #1138 of 1631 🔗

The mental gymnastics required show just how shallow they have been on this

243250 c s, #1139 of 1631 🔗

Has anyone done/doing a deep dive analysis of the hospital data that was released this morning? Interested to know how so-called COVID patients is trending as a % of total bed availability etc, and how the daily admissions/discharge data is going? Can we from this data deduce what % of patients are being diagnosed with COVID once in hospital (presumably after being admitted for something unlreated)?

243251 richard riewer, 5, #1140 of 1631 🔗

Technocrats are anti-human materialists to the nth degree.

243252 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1141 of 1631 🔗

Massive increase in “cases” today (33470 from 22950 yesterday). I wonder where they all came from?

243255 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Tenchy, #1142 of 1631 🔗

I believe testing capacity has recently increased

243258 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to pvenkman, 1, #1143 of 1631 🔗

Ah yes, 377,608 tests carried out yesterday – the most ever. As you say, capacity is enormous at the moment:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testinghttps://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

243337 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1144 of 1631 🔗

But where? All the testing stations I drive past are empty.

243257 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1145 of 1631 🔗

Certainly not from Liverpool! Must have been being held back in the system, or perhaps, another spreadsheet error?

243259 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1146 of 1631 🔗

At this point the daily figures are essentially meaningless without detailed information as to where and how they were tested, were they symptomatic etc. Likewise people in hospital and deaths are similar without more information. How many excess deaths are due to lack of treatment for other things that has been essentially denied earlier in the year is another big factor that has to be considered.

243302 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1147 of 1631 🔗

The England NHS hospital data is showing absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/11/12/nhs-graphs-from-christopher-bowyer-10-nov/

243264 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1148 of 1631 🔗

A week into a national lockdown, oh dear, may take some spinning.

Somehow or other it will be our fault though, not complying and gold plating the rules

243309 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Kev, 6, #1149 of 1631 🔗

Less cases =lockdown working . More cases =lockdown being flouted, masks not been worn etc

243329 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Kev, 4, #1150 of 1631 🔗

F××k em.

243275 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1151 of 1631 🔗

I think that interview with Bhakdi contains the best quick vaccination against taking any notice of ‘case’ numbers derived from the PCR tests:

https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE

243319 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1152 of 1631 🔗

They could just be made up, I suppose. ”How many do we need today, Prof? Right, just add ’em to the real ones. Nobody’ll know.”

243333 ▶▶ PaulParanoia, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1153 of 1631 🔗

Cases up 5.8% in the last seven days while tests are up 12.4%. So cases down in reality.

243363 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to PaulParanoia, 1, #1154 of 1631 🔗

Some people’s employers require then to be regularly tested whether they like it or not but when will the idiots who don’t need a test realise that if they stop getting tested the government won’t have any ammunition to keep this farce going.

243512 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Tenchy, #1155 of 1631 🔗

It’s folk going out on a spree when they heard a lockdown was imminent – that’s the theory I heard put forward on the radio an hour or so ago.

We could be locked in a lockdown here on! For as sure as eggs is they’ll be one mighty spree when this lockdown ends – so how can they let it end?

243254 Cecil B, 4, #1156 of 1631 🔗

Cain but not able

243286 LaurenceEyton, replying to LaurenceEyton, -15, #1157 of 1631 🔗

Don’t know why the idea of an International Certificate of Vaccination is “ominous”. They have long been a requirement for visiting some countries. Today I think it’s limited to yellow fever, polio and some form of meningitis, but I well remember when a cholera jab and a certificate was a basic requirement for visiting the Indian Subcontinent and SE Asia.

243290 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to LaurenceEyton, 21, #1158 of 1631 🔗

It’s the nudging – nudging us towards a covid passport without which you may do nothing.
It starts with international travel, then limits going to concerts, then gatherings above a certain size. Eventually you are not allowed out of your house without being vaccinated.

Read the nudging

243301 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to LaurenceEyton, 25, #1159 of 1631 🔗

Yellow fever, polio, meningitis, cholera are NOT covid-19.
If they can make you have a vaccine for covid-19 before you can travel, they can and will force you to anything else they want you to do.
Its about risk analysis. Its sensible to get a well tested jab against real killer diseases, its most definiely not for an intested jab against a bad cold!

243330 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to LaurenceEyton, 10, #1160 of 1631 🔗

We’re currently in a situation where just crossing over the 21 miles of water to France is banned by our government, and even if it were allowed, the French government requires a negative Covid test. If they can do this, they can also make it compulsory to take a ‘vaccine’ for a day trip to Calais, or indeed anywhere. This is not the same as having to have a yellow fever jab in order to go up-country in Cambodia.

243287 Bumble, 5, #1161 of 1631 🔗

Not sure if already mentioned by LS (been busy in the garden) but this weeks Planet Normal podcast is a must listen. They interview a GP and she explains exactly why it’s all falling apart for everything that isn’t covid.

243288 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #1162 of 1631 🔗

BeBopRockSteady asked me to look at some Norther Irish data. Unfortunately all the data is locked so I can only see what they present but this chart shows pretty well that admissions to hospital are falling & have been falling since mid Oct. It’s likely that 20% or so are admissions of patients from within the hospital, this would have increased over this period keeping the number higher than it would be if you were only looking at hospitalisations from outside the care system.

243345 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, #1163 of 1631 🔗

Thanks. Lockdown only came in 4 weeks ago and so if the admissions have been falling since Oct 15th or so, the lockdown can’t be said to be the main driver.

243355 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1164 of 1631 🔗

Hospitalisations peaked on 20th Oct, 52 admissions.

243456 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, #1165 of 1631 🔗

Thanks again. My local hospital has 10 ICU beds for a ward of around 250,000. Peaked in no time.

243299 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 21, #1166 of 1631 🔗

Ventured into Bilston today for essential reasons – sympathy and condolences to the wife’s uncle.

Anyway had to go for battered chips to bring back happy memories for Mrs Awkward – glad to report Major’s Chip shop is rampantly lockdown sceptic.

Even have signs up in the window taking the piss out of the Government – I did take a photo but unfortunately when I got home found I had screwed it up and could not read the sign, bloody typical – plus anti sugar tax signs etc.

Made up for all the closed shops, charity shops saying they re closed for good and covidiots in a masks walking down the street when they didn’t have to wear them.

243327 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1167 of 1631 🔗

BRILLIANT, just go back and tek another photo.

243306 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1169 of 1631 🔗

Is there another clown show this evening? If so, might that have something to do with the large increase in “cases” posted today?

243311 ▶▶ steph, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1170 of 1631 🔗

Oh please God know. Can’t they shut their gobs for just a few days?

243318 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, 1, #1171 of 1631 🔗

Just don’t watch em.

243325 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1172 of 1631 🔗

I don’t but they still happen and we still all hear the outcomes. However I’m not seeing anything in the schedule yet.

243370 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to steph, #1173 of 1631 🔗

That’s what I say when Mr CGL tells me to stay off here – it doesn’t change anything!

243313 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1174 of 1631 🔗

Extension of lockdown would be my guess, but who knows. I’m also expecting some sort of announcement on Brexit being watered down as well, any day now.

243421 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Tenchy, #1175 of 1631 🔗

Mandatory face masks outside due to the massive rise in ‘cases’? All they ever talk about are lockdowns, face nappies and track and trace. All of which just so happen to be oppressive measures.

243312 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1176 of 1631 🔗

16.57PM no update on the Covid dashboard. Is it me but when the figures are high they are updated around 4.30. If they are low you have to wait till past 9.

243314 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1177 of 1631 🔗

probably due to them knowing that places like daily mail have a fascination with printing a headline about it each day, more people will see an earlier headline.

243317 Darryl, 3, #1178 of 1631 🔗

It’s interesting how the facebook ‘fact checkers’ only censor information if it goes against the official narrative. I suspect many images on social media are official misinformation such as the case highlighted below, actually a rare piece of truth in a national newspaper.

Mum discovers fake coronavirus Facebook post that used picture of her in hospital
Jennifer Bone, 44, was left “dumbstruck” when she discovered a photo of her had been used in fake coronavirus Facebook post. If left her “dumbstruck” after a friend had pointed out the image https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/mum-discovers-fake-coronavirus-facebook-21891914

243321 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1179 of 1631 🔗

Whitney Webb confirms the worst about the vax:

https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb/status/1326910501369110528?s=19

Commies plan to tie the vax to all unavoidable gov services.

243341 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1180 of 1631 🔗

Her investigations into the Maxwell family are amazing. I’d bet she’s onto something here.

243322 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1181 of 1631 🔗

If it’s already been posted, I apologise. I have not had the time to look at the comments today.

El Presidente Sturgeon getting the excuses in now….

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-blames-scots-not-22998891

243338 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1182 of 1631 🔗

Typical standard answer ‘it wisnae us’. Other favourites are ‘it’s all Westminster’s fault’ and ‘we’re doing better than England’. 😡

243367 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1183 of 1631 🔗

Does she just rotate those three responses?

243334 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1184 of 1631 🔗

Biden

5/1

Trump

7/1

The gap is closing

243352 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1185 of 1631 🔗

Where can I get these odds? I’m backing both horses. I’m guaranteed to make 4 x my bet. Me thinks you’ve got it wrong.

243356 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to NickR, #1186 of 1631 🔗

Just what I was thinking!

243392 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NickR, #1187 of 1631 🔗

Oddschecker

243418 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1188 of 1631 🔗

Those odds are for the 2024 US Presidential Election.

243507 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to John Galt, 1, #1189 of 1631 🔗

I’d give bloody long odds on Biden being able to run for it in 2024!

243335 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #1190 of 1631 🔗

Just got this from a friend.

243342 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #1191 of 1631 🔗

Praying that is anywhere close to true.

It’s curtains for any freedom if the CCP/globalist-controlled Biden is installed in the White House.

243732 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to awildgoose, #1192 of 1631 🔗

Yep. On the other hand; the US could get the Democrat’s supposed star witness, Stormy Daniels – as Secretary of the Treasury 🙂

243344 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #1193 of 1631 🔗

wow
The dems had to have committed massive fraud. Look at Bidens rallies, pathetic, just a handful of people most of who were paid to be there as he rambled on reading from a big screen….Wear a mask, wear a mask, wear a mask….drool dribble.

243348 ▶▶ Chips, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1194 of 1631 🔗

I thought the watermark was meant to be nonsense? Is there anything reported on Judicial Watch? I couldn’t see anything.

243349 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Chips, 4, #1195 of 1631 🔗

Some states do it but I don’t know if it’s all of them.

243358 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1196 of 1631 🔗

🙏

243369 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1197 of 1631 🔗

Use a VPN.

Put ti to any country but the UK and USA.

type in 82.221.129.208 into the search bar.

If ti doesn’t say about Peter and 712 pesos at the top delete everything after the last 8 and hit enter, should go to the latest update.

Enjoy the reading but do check independently – even the author says this, don’t take his word for it.

The 2 hour whistleblower video by project Veritas is frightening/amazing/unprecedented:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkNkQ2nDQfc&feature=emb_logo

243391 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Awkward Git, #1198 of 1631 🔗

The media, big tech and global institutions have decided the narrative – as we see with Covid they don’t back off.

Don’t think there is a chance that Biden won’t be President irrespective of fraud. The ‘Darkest Winter’ is coming to America.

243506 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Awkward Git, #1199 of 1631 🔗

This is corroborated by two US intelligence people. Won’t say more – can’t be doing with the ‘conspiracy theory’ pile-on.

243339 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #1200 of 1631 🔗

The positive side of high positive test rates.

Impresses upon people that viral transmission can’t be stopped

Presses the IFR into the ground.

Eventually everyone will know dozens of people who were never even ill. People start to wonder where the dead are, even more.

In short. the planners get the short-term sense of crisis that they need from the ‘case’ numbers, at the cost of the longer term credibility of covid as a disease.

Conclusion – they don’t have forever to press home the agenda.

243346 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 9, #1201 of 1631 🔗

yer AND if little Jonnie becomes a case and nobody else around him get “IT” and he is perfectly well or just a bit under the weather…well the sheeple will start to realise in larger and larger numbers that they have been SCAMMED

243365 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1202 of 1631 🔗

Whole GCSE year group now at home for younger daughter. For about 4 ‘cases’

243371 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 1, #1203 of 1631 🔗

For goodness sake. Going well isn’t it.
Do you know how the cases are health wise?

243387 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1204 of 1631 🔗

Her friend is symptomatic- not sure how much

243350 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to calchas, 8, #1205 of 1631 🔗

My worry too: they will be calculating that they have to get vaccinating before the numbers fizzle and expose the futility of their activities. Other countries in same spot will make same calculation. I think they will do the cornered rat thing soon, hence this rush December deadline. I’m very pessimistic.

243362 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 5, #1206 of 1631 🔗

Very difficult logistics for the rollout.

Not as easy as many think.

243381 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to calchas, 1, #1207 of 1631 🔗

The -70°C requirement would seem to be a showstopper.

Electronics intended for military aviation are only tested to -55° or -60°C.

It is difficult and expensive to source the equipment for that testing.

Where will they get the refrigeration gear required for mass vaccination distribution?

243401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1208 of 1631 🔗

140 million doses is going to take quite a lot of fridges. The only piratical way to keep things this cold I guess would be liquid nitrogen in a flask. Like how vets transport sperm. I just looked at liquid nitrogen it is at about -200DegC Would that break the vaccine too?

This -70 deg C thing, doesn’t it mean that they haven’t really managed to produce a market ready product, in reality. What they have is too unstable. Isn’t it like making a car wheel and then saying, its really good, as long as you don’t turn any corners or brake.

243475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1209 of 1631 🔗

And then you take off the perfectly good wheel that’s already on the car, and threaten to imprison the owner unless he fits the dodgy wheel in its place.

243514 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Two-Six, #1210 of 1631 🔗

Reminds me of Minder – “frost-damaged fridges and water-damaged umbrellas”
Showing my age…

243462 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to awildgoose, #1211 of 1631 🔗

Looks like time to buy shares in dry ice manufacturers

243495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mabel Cow, #1212 of 1631 🔗

Dry Ice is too warm, liquid carbon monoxide would suffice. What hasn’t been made apparent is how slowly the vaccine has to be brought up to a useable temperature. Apparently it remains effective for 5 days at normal fridge temperatures.

243517 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, #1213 of 1631 🔗

Would you trust your local NHS with a load of liquid carbon monoxide?

243584 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to annie, #1214 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely not. Alternatives are Chlorine, Xenon, Radon, acetylene, ethane, Carbon Dioxide(solid sublimates at -78), Hydrogen Chloride. None of which I would want to be anywhere near.

243347 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #1215 of 1631 🔗

Tonight the BBC will be reporting record ‘cases’ 33,470!!!
But once again they’re reporting the bureaucratic lag, look at the chart below, same tests, reported today on the government website. One reports the date the test was ‘recorded’, one reports when the test was taken. Testing by date test done shows no change, test by date recorded huge increase.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

243389 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NickR, 3, #1216 of 1631 🔗

The first week of lockdown has been successful then. Cases have risen significantly for the first time in at least 2 weeks…

243404 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1217 of 1631 🔗

Also, at this point in time (I know there are lags etc) the cases seem to trace back to Monday 9th by specimen date. There is a big spike on the 9th in England, but not in Scotland or Wales. Last Monday (2nd) has a similar even larger spike. Guess this is because people don’t bother to get tested for the deadly disease over the weekend – more important things to do I suppose?

243451 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to A. Contrarian, #1218 of 1631 🔗

Several workplaces often require regular testing

243359 calchas, 6, #1219 of 1631 🔗

Jon Rappoport:

“And the government wants you to take the experimental COVID vaccine, whose “effectiveness” was designed to prevent nothing worth losing a night’s sleep over.

The only worry are the adverse effects of the vaccine, about which I’ve written extensively. These effects include, depending on what’s in the vial, a permanent alteration of your genetic makeup, or an auto-immune cascade, in which the body attacks itself.”

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/11/11/covid-vaccine-revelation-sinks-like-a-stone-disappears/

243360 Will, 3, #1220 of 1631 🔗

I imagine they have seen the ONS figures for tomorrow are down on last week, just like the KCL figures and they have miraculously found another 10,000 positive tests.

243366 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, 2, #1222 of 1631 🔗

what is it? A summary is always helpful, please

243408 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Rosie, 1, #1223 of 1631 🔗

The title of the video is – CAROLINE STEPHENS: CAROLINE REVEALS THE CONTENTS OF 2 ‘SECRET’ ZOOM MEETINGS FROM MAY 2020-11-11-2 https://www.bitchute.com/video/Av3144SbKfYK/

Personally sceptical, but common purpose does unfortunately seems to brainwash people into doing anything.

243416 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Darryl, #1224 of 1631 🔗

Me too – why I wanted to canvas some opinion from you sane people (well mostly)

243382 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #1225 of 1631 🔗

Lady called Caroline Stephens talking about a meeting between Deloitte and officials about social credit system which can now be rolled out.

Not into 5G stuff but that is only the enabling part.

243398 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to CGL, 2, #1226 of 1631 🔗

Agree the 5G / Covid link is just information injected by the establishment to discredit and distract the anti-lockdown movement. 5G just enables better technological surveillance and eventually digital currencies.

243427 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, 4, #1227 of 1631 🔗

It enables the internet of things which the WEF are pushing

243486 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1228 of 1631 🔗

I’ve been deeply suspicious of 5G because I cannot see any ordinary need for it, and yet to question it is to be dubbed a Conspiracy Theorist. There seem also to be genuine safety concerns that have been quashed.

It’s hugely expensive so what is it for? I don’t know …. are you people basically confirming that my suspicions are spot on??

243400 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to CGL, 1, #1229 of 1631 🔗

whistle blower?

I know people that work at deloitte and similar places. they will literally implement shit like this without thinking of the implications to other people nor indeed themselves. young and being paid a lot too so I guess that helps but having spoken to some of these people I would consider them devoid of critical cognitive abilities (though they are considered super smart)

243407 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to anon, #1230 of 1631 🔗

Says on her fb page that she used to be involved with Vote Leave, unity in action & Democracy 17-4

243364 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 4, #1231 of 1631 🔗

I’ve just had a reply from one of the MPs who voted against Lockdown. It’s pathetic. Looks as if the gov whips have made him regret his vote and he’s maxing out on grovelling.

Good Morning,

I hope you are keeping well and thank you for your support regarding my stance on the second lockdown.

As you know the decision has subsequently been passed. Therefore, I will be sure to continue to raise the concerns and argue against these new measures, but for now we need to continue to follow the guidelines, protect others with the measures put in place and hope for good times ahead.

Once again, thank you for your support.

Take care and stay safe.

Kind regards,

Craig Whittaker

243373 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 3, #1232 of 1631 🔗

No MP, as far as I know, questions the narrative, just the polica to deal with it.

If you content yourself with that, you merely validate the narrative.

243441 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 4, #1233 of 1631 🔗

Charles Walker clearly does. Listen to his three minute speech in parliament from last week. Listen to how he closes it in particular.

https://youtu.be/8kF6F0IhzZ0

243481 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to leggy, 1, #1234 of 1631 🔗

Not sure, I either don’t understand you or don’t agree. Charles Walker seems pretty bothered about those dark shadows.

243573 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Rosie, 1, #1235 of 1631 🔗

That’s what I mean. He’s questioning the narrative, pretty openly, in parliament.

243374 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Rosie, 2, #1236 of 1631 🔗

Doesn’t sound like a man very committed to the anti-lockdown cause. Bit worried he could easily switch back after a some more media propaganda.

243377 ▶▶ anon, replying to Rosie, 3, #1237 of 1631 🔗

“take care and stay safe”

that’s a spell I think

243413 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to anon, 5, #1238 of 1631 🔗

Always a sign someone fully buys into the narrative when they end a email like that.

243449 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Rosie, 1, #1239 of 1631 🔗

Yes, I’ve had the same. This is the most feeble of the 11 replies I’ve had.

243383 John Stone, 6, #1240 of 1631 🔗

Night-time freedom rally in Leipzig – German media trying to make out this is the Neo-Nazi far-right, which is the opposite of the truth:

https://childrenshealthdefense.eu/uncategorized/amazing-freedom-rally-in-leipzig-germany-lights-in-the-dark/

243393 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to alw, 1, #1242 of 1631 🔗

I think if it ever got there it would go to court and be thrown out.

243472 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 6, #1243 of 1631 🔗

I thought all our human rights were deleted on 23 March?

243396 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1244 of 1631 🔗

On 25 Oct Pillar 1 tests were running at approx 80,000 per day. Overnight they jumped to 130,000 per day, now up to nearly 180,000 per day. What happened? Why the sudden increase? Obviously this may be partly responsible for the increasing number of “cases” seen. Pillar 2 has increased also but to nowhere near the same degree. Why can’t the government do something useful with this data, at least publish the % positive rather than giving the misleading impression that cases are once again “surging”?

243414 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1245 of 1631 🔗

The Weekly national Influenza and COVID19 surveillance report is a more considered view.
” overall positivity rates for both Pillars 1 and 2 decreased slightly”

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports

243403 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #1246 of 1631 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne on Richie Allen

243424 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, 2, #1247 of 1631 🔗
243429 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, 3, #1248 of 1631 🔗

He would be “first in line” for the vaccine says Sir Desmond. Also he doesn’t think that DAVOS/GATES etc crew have any influence on the situation in the UK as he put it “they are not in charge”
Hummm

243430 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1249 of 1631 🔗

But he does speak wonderfully (although I appreciate you may not have noticed 🙂 )
I couldnt work out who he looked like the other day and it dawned on me – he’s like a thin suave version of Freddie Starr!

Sorry I digress

243437 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to CGL, #1250 of 1631 🔗

Bet he doesn’t eat hamsters

243446 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, 2, #1251 of 1631 🔗

Or mask them!

243452 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to CGL, 1, #1252 of 1631 🔗

Ha, nice one

243666 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to CGL, #1253 of 1631 🔗

I’d say Steve Martin!

243443 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1254 of 1631 🔗

I don’t think he can afford to be seen as an anti-vaxer

243468 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to stefarm, 2, #1255 of 1631 🔗

It’s difficult being an anti-vaxxer even in my own household at times but when you know stuff …. it’s hard to play make believe otherwise. Still I understand the desire not to look under that rock so fair play to him, he’s speaking out and doing it really well and he’s single handedly reviving the contrast shirt collar look so signalling that he isn’t one for just going along with what everyone else is doing.

243483 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to stefarm, 15, #1256 of 1631 🔗

I guess most of us are not “anti-vax” in general.

I’m pretty fucking anti “vaccinate the entire population of the globe against an illness no worse than a bad flu with a vaccine little better than our natural defences”.

243533 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to leggy, -1, #1257 of 1631 🔗

I guess most of us are not “anti-vax” in general.

There’s still hope for you, leggy. Keep reading and learning …

243602 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, 1, #1258 of 1631 🔗

Or even 9% worse

243406 NickR, replying to NickR, 15, #1259 of 1631 🔗

Riddle me this?
Government testing today reporting 33,470 positives from 377,608 tests that’s 8.8% positive.
ONS report 620,000 infected people across the country, that’s about 1%.
Now let’s look at that hotspot Liverpool, 249 postives in 44,000 tests, 0.56%!!!!!

243417 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NickR, -2, #1260 of 1631 🔗

A point to bear in mind about the first set of figures is that government testing is mostly of symptomatic people. The other two aren’t.

243422 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1261 of 1631 🔗

government testing is mostly of symptomatic people

Is it? Aren’t these largely basically functionally random tests for procedural reasons – entering hospital, having been in contact with someone, wanting to get back to school, etc, as well as door to door stuff?

243439 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Mark, 3, #1262 of 1631 🔗

From mid October these positives include re-tests of those who had rested positive earlier. No idea how many but likely to be a significant minority.

243529 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1263 of 1631 🔗

Might it be quite significant if it coincides with a stepped up increase in testing NHS and care home staff?

243537 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1264 of 1631 🔗

Yeah, NHS contact is saying now tested often ( although antibody positive) but hardly ever during summer.

243476 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mark, -1, #1265 of 1631 🔗

Maybe some of those, but as I understand it, you can only get an NHS test if you have symptoms.

243485 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1266 of 1631 🔗

Dido Harding reported that PHE’s own surveys found a great number of people admitting to lying about having symptoms to get a test. Lots wouldn’t admit it! There’s no clinician there to check- and if there were they can hardly prove you haven’t lost sense of taste or smell.

243519 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, #1267 of 1631 🔗

Fill the room with the smell of your favourite food and watch to see if you drool?

243524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1268 of 1631 🔗

This I really cannot understand. If these fuckwits that don’t need a test stopped being tested the numbers would surely fall. These morons are just adding fuel to the fire.

243535 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1269 of 1631 🔗

They get sent home for at least two weeks on full pay, why wouldn’t they take a test, especially when their fat colleagues have been sat at home, getting even fatter, on full pay for months.

243444 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to NickR, #1270 of 1631 🔗

Liverpool used different, maybe more accurate tests

243423 Awkward Git, 3, #1271 of 1631 🔗
243432 calchas, replying to calchas, 32, #1272 of 1631 🔗

Bolsanaro:

“”Everyone is going to die. There is no point in escaping from that, in escaping from reality. We have to stop being a country of sissies.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-need-stop-being-country-sissies-bolsonaro-complains-covid-threat-exaggerated

I love it.

Stone cold truth.

243458 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 3, #1273 of 1631 🔗

It’s what everyone is thinking anyway.

243470 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1274 of 1631 🔗

Every human being, that is.

243500 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, 2, #1275 of 1631 🔗

Yup. Who knows what the reptiles are thinking of? I used to think I was a bit of a weirdo. Not any more.

243434 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1276 of 1631 🔗

The risk of only C-19 service

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-11-06/un-nino-de-ocho-anos-muere-de-peritonitis-en-alicante-tras-acudir-cuatro-veces-a-urgencias-y-no-recibir-apenas-tratamiento.html

Alicante,Spain.8 year old boy dies of peritonitis from appendicitis after being assessed four times at AE busy with C-19 and sending him home all the times

243438 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1277 of 1631 🔗

And this will be the problem going forward, deaths will be massively up due to people dying or other things (haven’t they already recorded at least 30,000 excess deaths just from people dying at home?). They’ll then be itching to make sure they’ve had a positive test somehow so they can include these in the figures.

243445 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1278 of 1631 🔗

It will be the worst “I told you so” moment in the history of man.

243440 ▶▶ CGL, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1279 of 1631 🔗

Rest his poor soul. How utterly tragic.

243447 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 20, #1280 of 1631 🔗

So, he lost, let us say, 74 potential years.

The average, what we genetously call a ‘covid death’, loses, let us say 9 months of life.

So, that boy lost as many years of life as 98 ‘covid deaths’.

…and let’s not talk about the quality of those years.

243453 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1281 of 1631 🔗

deleted

243469 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 10, #1282 of 1631 🔗

The sacrificing of the innocent to the stupefying selfishness of the Corona mafia.
Evil at work.

243499 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1283 of 1631 🔗

You see, if they’d locked down properly and everyone had followed the rules, that wouldn’t have happened. It’s covid’s fault, no it’s the people’s fault, blah blah blah.

243520 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1284 of 1631 🔗

Send the story here https://pandata.org/

243526 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1285 of 1631 🔗

As Boris has said here, every life lost is a tragedy. This applies equally to a 100 year-old who is terminally ill and an 8 year-old who could be treated, saved, and then live for another 92 years. The world has truly gone mad. God bless him and his mum and dad.

243442 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1286 of 1631 🔗

Just look at this Telegraph live feed (free) describing tonight’s clown show. Do these politicians and “experts” EVER give a straight answer to a question? Just look at the response to the question about forced vaccination.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-pfizer-covid-vaccine-lockdown-uk-deaths-cases/

243450 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1287 of 1631 🔗

They will never say anything that confirms or deny anything, as all they care about is whether it can be used against them later in their career.

243461 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1288 of 1631 🔗

What’s even sadder is the comments on the BBC article, my god people are gullible.

243503 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1289 of 1631 🔗

Apparently the word ‘gullible’ is going to be removed from the dictionary…

243538 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #1290 of 1631 🔗

already has been

243491 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1291 of 1631 🔗

Why are they putting on random clown shows throughout the week now? Is it just to confuse us?

243457 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 17, #1292 of 1631 🔗

Apologies, I’ve been away most of today and have only just seen the lead photo in today’s Lockdown Sceptics.

I reckon I could get a well paid job at No.10, I don’t wear ties, I’m follicly challenged and I’m as miserable as sin.

243522 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Biggles, 2, #1293 of 1631 🔗

But are you prepared to take on Ms Carrie?

243613 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1294 of 1631 🔗

She needs to be careful. Bozo’s days are numbered so by definition, so are hers.

243466 ▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #1296 of 1631 🔗

Yes, a hero amidst the nauseating cant of the article.
And the picture of anti-lockdown protestors labelled ‘covid deniers’ … can Bristol readers all be that prejudiced, stupid and gullible?
Don’t tell me. Of course they can.

243518 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to annie, 14, #1297 of 1631 🔗

Being lumped in with the covid deniers winds me up no end. I don’t deny that it exists I just think the response has been one huge overreaction.

243546 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1298 of 1631 🔗

What a horrible “newspaper”. Another Reach PLC propaganda rag. They own just about every “local” paper in the country.

243570 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1299 of 1631 🔗

I agree with you, they are like the BBC…oh wait, they have BBC reporters on their payroll. As has been pointed out on here before.
I would have also posted another Reach PLC propaganda rag story from Manchester, but the bulk of the comments from the majority of the brainwashed sheep on the story were depressing, so I didn’t.

243661 ▶▶ Sue, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1300 of 1631 🔗

i live close to this shop – and seen their videos etc on local sites – bravo if he has kept the police and council at bay to keep his tattoo shop open – he has a right to earn a living and has a few kids!

243463 Tony, replying to Tony, 14, #1301 of 1631 🔗

Saw a bloke this morning wearing a mask AND a sunflower lanyard. Bet that confuses the door goons…

243465 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Tony, 3, #1302 of 1631 🔗

Best laugh of the day(sad I know)

243558 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Tony, 3, #1303 of 1631 🔗

The assistant in Tesco also had a sunflower lanyard like OH but was also wearing a mask. She told me that she had mild COPD and it was to protect herself, rather than others. Fair enough. It didn’t stop me telling her about contamination of masks though.

243560 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Tony, 4, #1304 of 1631 🔗

It’s a pity he wasn’t wearing a visor and gloves and he’d have had a full set!

243473 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 18, #1305 of 1631 🔗

https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/392567/costa-rica-says-it-doesnt-need-covid-testing-for-tourists

Costa Rica’s minister for tourism says the country doesn’t need Covid testing in place for visitors as its protocols, and those of airlines, are good enough.

Back on top of my list to move to.

243478 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1306 of 1631 🔗

Proving my point that these restrictions and need requirements for negative tests etc. will disappear once it hits places financially.

243501 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1307 of 1631 🔗

How many trillions of national debt and what unemployment figures would you say would constitute being hit financially?

243479 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1308 of 1631 🔗

It’s a nice, welcoming, interesting, enlightened country.

243505 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to annie, 11, #1309 of 1631 🔗

Yes, I have been several times. Currently looking at hotels for sale. You will all be invited to the opening of course.

243600 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1310 of 1631 🔗

Ooh – me, me!!!!

243648 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1311 of 1631 🔗

Sarigan I’ll come and work for you in your new hotel 🙂
I’m being made redundant next year from corporate hell so looking for new, diverse and interesting opportunities abroad…

243484 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, #1312 of 1631 🔗

Any inside gen on mask enforcement there?

243516 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Julian, 2, #1313 of 1631 🔗

They are not great on masks currently but word on the ground is that largely ignored outside of urban areas.

243645 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Sarigan, #1314 of 1631 🔗

Costa rica is on my bucket list. looking for a december/xmas escape from my family to far flung beach/interesting destinations – seems pretty hopeless without having to quarantine on return. Now they have opened corridor to Dubai and Laos is possibility…not many options out there really…

243474 Berend de Boer, 3, #1315 of 1631 🔗

That JPMorgan story is old, I would alert readers this is a story from May. And secondly, never source a story solely from Zerohedge.

243482 stefarm, 32, #1316 of 1631 🔗

Took my push bike into the local 1 man band bike shop this afternoon, used him before, nice bloke.

Anyhoo, have to book it in now as can’t just turn up like before, originally booked for tomorrow but he phoned me today has he had a spare half hour. Result.

Can’t go in the shop now so had to stand at the door like a jehovah witness. He was just finishing another bike for a woman. Woman turned up wearing a disgusting cotton mask, collected her bike and then rode off wearing it!! he didn’t even bat an eye.

Wheeled my bike in, btw he said you are supposed to wash your bike before bringing it in , it’s the rule that’s why there is a bucket of water on the step.

‘oh, I didn’t see that’ (I did and worked out what is for, just couldn’t be arsed to comply)

‘fair enough, too late now as I’ve got the wheel off’

‘yeah, bit pointless now’

Fucking hell, how the fuck is my bike a vector for disease.

Anyhoo, I crept inside the shop and had a nice chat, perfectly normal.

While we were chatting a lady popped her head round the door for a chat who it transpired was a neighbour, wearing a mask, fuck sake.

Bloody things everywhere. I was watching people while I was waiting, bloody fiddling with them, touching them, scratching their face.

I keep going on about them but I don’t understand the fascination, well I do but I just can’t believe how compliant they are.

243492 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to annie, 8, #1318 of 1631 🔗

This is absolutely brilliant.

243493 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to annie, 2, #1319 of 1631 🔗

Problem is he probably won’t care and will go on to ruin somewhere else.

243601 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1320 of 1631 🔗

True, but it’s an example of a unified kickback from lower down the political food chain. More and more things like this seem to be happening, which can only be a good sign. It shows some people are not just taking this lying down.

243646 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1321 of 1631 🔗

No, he does care – he has been trying to justify himself, make excuses, and saying what he has done to help pubs.

243739 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnB, 2, #1322 of 1631 🔗

I was just watching Tom Kerridge’s programme re. the state of pubs. The programme only goes up to just before the shut-downs, but it spoke volumes about the problems faced by just this sector…. and then multiply that across thousands of struggling businesses dealt a hammer blow by the government.

Horrendous.

243741 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to JohnB, 1, #1323 of 1631 🔗

Indeed. He wouldn’t make any comment on it, other than ‘I don’t care’, if he didn’t care. Even if he doesn’t frequent Warrington public houses, his poor ego has clearly been hurt.

243509 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to annie, 4, #1324 of 1631 🔗

Karma at its best. 🙂

243488 David McCluskey, replying to David McCluskey, #1325 of 1631 🔗

The fundamental problem (i.e. the root cause) is that the average IQ is only 100.

243494 ▶▶ Julian, replying to David McCluskey, 35, #1326 of 1631 🔗

Well, I am not sure about that. I know a lot of people who probably have 120-130 IQs who are fully bought into the narrative and others who didn’t make it beyond elementary school who know it’s nonsense

Being really thick doesn’t help, but a lot of the problem is more to do with laziness, gullibility, attitude to risk and death, selfishness, propensity to take sides on an issue based on political rather than rational grounds

243498 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Julian, 12, #1327 of 1631 🔗

Exactly, repeat something often enough and eventually even the cleverest of people will believe it. What I don’t understand is why people base their opinions on seemingly 1 source, ie. the BBC.

243504 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1328 of 1631 🔗

As Julian says, they are lazy.

243585 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 14, #1329 of 1631 🔗

They also want to fit in. I’m fairly non-conformist by nature, but even I balked slightly at a recent visit to a motorway services where I was the only unmasked person in a big hall with literally hundreds of dead-eyed mask wearers around me. Felt like something out a horror film. I can imagine a lot of people wear them just to fit in.

243615 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1330 of 1631 🔗

Sounds like a Lovecraft horror story.

243633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #1331 of 1631 🔗

Motorway services are a horror story at the best of times! Still one can’t really stop on the hard shoulder for a crafty p*ss, so needs must.

243521 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Julian, 9, #1332 of 1631 🔗

I work with engineers and PhDs, and to a man they are fully bought in.

243550 ▶▶▶▶ Dr DoomLord, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #1333 of 1631 🔗

Hey! I’m an engineer with a PhD and I’m not bought in.

243559 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Dr DoomLord, 27, #1334 of 1631 🔗

I’m a ex labourer and I haven’t got a single qualification, not even a driving licence and I wasn’t taken in.

243892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1335 of 1631 🔗

Thats why you were not taken in. You retained your common sense…..most graduates have lost that.

243534 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 12, #1336 of 1631 🔗

It’s easy to condemn … but don’t forget the fantastic power of the brainwashing that has gone on, with very little alternative within the media mainstream.

It upsets me, too – but I can’t just condemn people that I’ve known for years any more than the victims of other psychological ailments. It’s a bit like telling people suffering from depression to ‘pull themselves together’.

Were it so easy.

243541 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #1337 of 1631 🔗

Yes I agree. The people I am most cross with are those who have the time, intellect and political interest to look into it with an open mind, who refuse to engage. But people who have been brainwashed are as much victims as we are in a way.

243571 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 13, #1338 of 1631 🔗

Yes – I had a painful ‘phone conversation this afternoon with an old close friend that illustrated the complexities. I won’t bore you with the detail – but it did show that the problem has a number of layers that aren’t amenable to easy resolution when different loyalties and sensitivities are involved.

I – like many others here – will never forgive the total shits that have created these tensions in society. I cannot speak lowly enough of them.

243595 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #1339 of 1631 🔗

Yes we know who the most guilty are and they will not be forgotten or forgiven

243618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, 1, #1340 of 1631 🔗

The problem is they are rapidly losing control of the narrative hence, Stevens out 2nite with more gloom and doom and more faked covid death figures.

243893 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #1341 of 1631 🔗

So why were you not taken in Rick?

243497 ▶▶ calchas, replying to David McCluskey, 26, #1342 of 1631 🔗

I don’t believe that is true.

Plenty of high-IQ types amongst the Corona’s Witnesses.

I think tradesmen -plumbers etc tend to be more sceptical.

Thise who see the world through a screen tend to believers.

243511 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 11, #1343 of 1631 🔗

Suggestibility/conformity is perhaps the most important factor:

““It is not surprising that the ordinary person, in general, is much more easily indoctrinated than the abnormal…A person is considered ‘ordinary’ or ‘normal’ by the community simply because he accepts most of its social standards and behavioural patterns; which means, in fact, that he is susceptible to suggestion and has been persuaded to go with the majority on most ordinary or extraordinary occasions.””

Willaim Sargant in “War on the Mind’

quoted in:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/01/how-to-take-back-control-of-your-mind/

243545 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to calchas, 5, #1344 of 1631 🔗

Well then, I’m proud to be abnormal.

243547 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1345 of 1631 🔗

Me too!

🙂

243574 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #1346 of 1631 🔗

Ages ago, my application for an academic job in a university located in Normal, Illinois, was rejected. Rejected by Normal! That letter had pride of place on the fridge door for quite some time.

243540 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 3, #1347 of 1631 🔗

It’s not about simplistic ideas of intelligence or occupation etc. – this operates at a gut level of emotion and suggestibility.

243576 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to RickH, #1348 of 1631 🔗

Those I’ve come across taken in I would describe as a bit weak.

243553 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, #1349 of 1631 🔗

That’s probably been because their life hasn’t been impacted that much yet.

243563 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to calchas, 3, #1350 of 1631 🔗

Yes, because they are familiar with real life. (Manual working class)

243580 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1351 of 1631 🔗

C’mon, you’re obviously so dim to really believe that sort of simplistic shite!

243701 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to RickH, 2, #1352 of 1631 🔗

No, because that’s what I was ( now retired)

243894 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to calchas, #1353 of 1631 🔗

I think manual workers have their feet much more on the ground and they also do not have an exaggerated sense of their own self importance. Whereas professionals like vets and opticians etc are much more up their own arses and think they are much more important than the bin men and the building site workers who cant be arsed with all the mask wearing bollocks.

243508 ▶▶ guy153, replying to David McCluskey, 12, #1354 of 1631 🔗

Dominic Cummings is a large and fundamental part of the problem and he probably has an IQ of at least 150. He’s still a blithering idiot.

243549 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to guy153, 5, #1355 of 1631 🔗

The issue is that traditional IQ testing samples a narrow set of intellectual skills, despite its roots in the notion of a general ‘g’ factor.

Nobody would assess a person on the basis of IQ in isolation – it would betray a lack of intelligence 🙂

… and yes, Cummings is a very stupid and limited human being.

243591 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 4, #1356 of 1631 🔗

IQ tests seem to be mostly about solving little puzzles and number sequences etc. If you asked most ‘high IQ’ people to name, for example, five logical fallacies, I bet most couldn’t answer.

243715 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cranmer, #1357 of 1631 🔗

I can think of several logical fallacies that are very relevant at the moment. Straw man, appeal to authority, false dilemma, the ad hominem and the appeal to ignorance, to name but a few!

243635 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to RickH, #1358 of 1631 🔗

I would go so far as to say that anyone who knows or cares what their IQ is a muppet.

I’m sure Cummings’s is very high and he’s obsessed with it. He’s very much that type.

243749 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to guy153, 1, #1359 of 1631 🔗

Knowing/caring about one’s IQ is the intellectual equivalent of knowing/caring about how much one can ‘bench’ in the gym. Most genuinely fit and strong people I know haven’t a clue.

243805 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #1360 of 1631 🔗

He’s arrogant more than intelligent. Unfortunately he has stupid friends in high places.

243565 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to guy153, 4, #1361 of 1631 🔗

An arrogant blithering idiot.

243513 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to David McCluskey, 17, #1362 of 1631 🔗

People who lead boring lives will also tend to be more likely to support this nonsense, especially if they think they have secure jobs. They won’t necessarily be stupid people.

They won’t care if the government shuts pubs and restaurants down if they never visit them and also don’t enjoy socialising. Neither will they care if international travel is curtailed if they never go on holiday.

243548 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1363 of 1631 🔗

“They won’t care” – exactly, they lack empathy!

243593 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1364 of 1631 🔗

Yes, I’ve heard quite a few ‘it doesn’t affect me because I don’t go to pubs/I’m a pensioner/I don’t go abroad’ etc, which is basically a variation on the ‘first they came for the Jews’ argument. I found exactly the same thing when I tried arguing against the blanket ban on smoking, on libertarian grounds. ‘But I don’t smoke/I want to give up’ etc.

243515 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to David McCluskey, 2, #1365 of 1631 🔗

No, it was 100 in 1900.

It’s lower now: the dysgenic effects of the welfare state combined with mass immigration from lower IQ countries.

243531 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ossettian, 4, #1366 of 1631 🔗

Still 100. Commonly used IQ tests are restandardised every so often so that there is always a normal distribution curve. 85-115 will always be the average range taking in most of the population. Processing speed and working memory capacity are better predictors of academic attainment than IQ. But non of them are substitutes for life skills or empathy.

243554 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1367 of 1631 🔗

I do think people are getting thicker. I often think of letters home from young conscripts in the trenches in WW1. These young guys were in their early teens or early 20’s and apparently the standard of their writing was incredible compared to current generations. A huge vocabulary, eloquent, great spelling , punctuation and grammar laden with cultural references.

243569 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1368 of 1631 🔗

I think the standard of general education is poorer. Potential to develop skills and knowledge, if they are to be realised, must be met with appropriate stimulation and opportunities of a different sort to those found on Twitter or playing Call of Duty. Perseverance and rigour used to matter (now they are derided as middle class values)- isn’t the idea that success in any area is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration?

243597 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1369 of 1631 🔗

But they are the ones we are shown, precisely because of their eloquence. There were probably a fair few Tommies who were functionally illiterate and who could not write home, so they never did.

243726 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, #1370 of 1631 🔗

Ahhh … The good ole’ days!

(Whoops – there goes a whizz-bang …) 🙂

State education certainly improved things … but not long before – have a look at Parish Registers and the number of ‘X’s in place of signatures.

243808 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #1371 of 1631 🔗

The daily papers used complex sentences and words of several syllables. All gone with the advent of the tabloids and, for many, killed stone dead with the soundbite.

243532 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1372 of 1631 🔗

lower IQ countries?
Steady…

243543 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1373 of 1631 🔗

There’s certainly evidence of decline in intelligence within the population, beginning with the election of Thatcher and continuing through a series of right wing governments.

Sorry – couldn’t resist alternative mindless generalisation 🙂

243557 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 3, #1374 of 1631 🔗

There has definitely been a decline in the educational system.

243719 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -1, #1375 of 1631 🔗

Yep. 40 years of the Tories (with a Blair continuity interlude) has f.ed it big time.

Now – back to the knitting …

243568 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to RickH, 5, #1376 of 1631 🔗

But aren’t most teachers lefties?

243713 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Edward, #1377 of 1631 🔗

Only if you’re into mindless generalisations.

243897 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #1378 of 1631 🔗

What ring wing governments were these?

243807 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ossettian, 2, #1379 of 1631 🔗

Lower IQ countries??!!

243528 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to David McCluskey, 9, #1380 of 1631 🔗

To me the fundamental problem is that people believe the media and trust their government. This barrier transcends IQ’s.

243610 ▶▶ Hairbartlet, replying to David McCluskey, #1381 of 1631 🔗

Dont be a ming mong all your life.

243707 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to David McCluskey, 3, #1382 of 1631 🔗

In my experience it certainly isn’t just people of average intelligence who are pro lockdown. I would also remind you that calling Brexit supporters thick was one of the key tactics of Remainiacs and look how well that worked out for them.

Anyway it’s unclear what your point is unless you believe that a higher average IQ would mean more people were sceptical. Somehow I doubt that. You don’t have to be a member of Mensa to recognise and love liberty or expect the government to respect your bodily integrity. To suggest otherwise is patronising.

243489 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1383 of 1631 🔗

Daily Mail: Prominent SAGE advisor says Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance have both ‘made mistakes’.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8942401/Prominent-SAGE-advisor-says-Chris-Whitty-Patrick-Vallance-mistakes.html

243490 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tom Blackburn, 23, #1384 of 1631 🔗

Replace “made mistakes” with “committed genocide”?

243575 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1385 of 1631 🔗

But overall he thinks they’re amazing and have done wonderful science over the last 8 months etc etc.

243523 Rosie, 8, #1386 of 1631 🔗

This site Pandata (one that Toby has recommended) wants covid tragedies, your stories of harm caused by lockdowns. They are gathering testimony
https://pandata.org/

243527 Will, replying to Will, 2, #1387 of 1631 🔗

Have testing rates increased this week?

243530 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Will, 1, #1388 of 1631 🔗

Yes, per official figures

243555 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1389 of 1631 🔗
243536 AnotherSceptic, 1, #1390 of 1631 🔗

From the scummy Edinburgh rag, I think the bus passenger needs to get a fucking life!! Sad fucker.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/bus-passenger-slams-lager-drinking-19271713

243551 Cheezilla, 8, #1391 of 1631 🔗

I thought it was possibly significant that we were asked to shine a light for Recovery this evening because Diwali starts today.
Below is some info I plagiarised from my Jyotisher friend.
More detail can be found on the link at the bottom.

Diwali, is the Festival of Light. Five days of celebration begin today. The whole festival represents the victory of light over darkness, of the light of awareness and truth over that which is untrue and it is a time for re-evaluation.

Diwali comes from the Sanskrit word Deepawali meaning ‘rows of lighted lamps’. The light symbolises the light of consciousness, illuminating the truth of who we are and a reminder to re-commit to the spiritual and that the source of abundance comes from within. Diwali is especially about new beginnings.

Each day of the festival of light has a special significance, with the third one as the main day of Diwali – this year on Saturday, 14th November.
Energetically this is regarded as the darkest time of year and is a crucial turning point in such a significant time.

Diwali only happens in Libra as it is the sign of relationships and of balance and harmony, especially between the material world and the spiritual life. Libra is called Tula in Sanskrit and relates to a time when choices need to be made to bring about significant change. This is especially powerful in 2020 for Amavasya, the coming together of the Moon with the Sun to begin the New Moon, is happening at the end of the very last degree of Libra, which suggests that the lessons of Libra have been fully experienced.

Venus as the ruler of Libra represents immense wisdom and insight into the true nature of the material world through experience and although is often regarded as being about sensuality there is a purifying quality here as well. More indications that this is an opportunity to re-evaluate what is of importance in our lives.

For more detail about each day, use this link:

https://oraclelife.co.uk/2020/11/12/diwali-five-days-of-celebration-begin-today/

243552 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 38, #1392 of 1631 🔗

Bumping this excellent and inspiring comment. Thanks Helena !

HelenaHancart:

As much as I love my fellow sceptics, and I do, I’m finding the constant pessimism hard to bear sometimes.

I’ve done enough research over the last few years, and intensely over the last eight months to be under no illusion as to where this may all going. But these are all narratives, and narratives we all have the power to change by changing our thinking, and looking within ourselves for the changes we want .

I’ve had enough bleakness this year. I reached a very low point recently and it frightened me, as it was taking me to a dark place I didn’t want to go…and that’s EXACTLY where they want us to be, each in our own dark, lonely place where we’re easier to divide and control.

Let’s ALL stay in the light, let’s show love, respect and patience to those we disagree and are angry with. Let’s ALL of us stick together because we are stronger that way. We’ve got to show the way forward and we need to take everyone with us, if we want to win.

243567 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 3, #1393 of 1631 🔗

Yes.

An online forum is good, but..

…local groups for mutual support and encouragement

are better.

Collective action.

I am convinced that we will win this.

In my opinion it is all about a financial reset.

Any ‘Great Reset’ will fail, because those behind it do not understand us.

In 9 months we could have the worst behind us.

243608 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, #1394 of 1631 🔗

I wish I could share your optimism. Not that there hasn’t been any good news lately but getting the whole thing turned round seems impossible.

243612 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DRW, #1395 of 1631 🔗

I think we have to find the good news otherwise we will slide into inertia and pessimism.

243658 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #1396 of 1631 🔗

Sliding “into inertia and pessimism” will betray those that died to preserve our freedoms 80 years ago.

We do not consent.

We have to fight this monstrosity in every way we can. First we have to find some way of countering the propaganda. Showers of stickers and lashings of leaflets for starters.

243681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #1397 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely. I do stickers. Sometimes one gets scraped off (they take some scraping).That pleases me because it shows that I’ve annoyed at least one zombie. If a sticker doesn’t get scraped, that pleases me because I know it’s being read.

I don’t despair. Despair is the ultimate sin. Nothing else can defeat us.
This will end.

243699 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, #1398 of 1631 🔗

It’s how long that worries me, totalitarian regimes can last decades or even centuries.

243621 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 2, #1399 of 1631 🔗

Realism is important too, DRW! But one step at a time, though. Lots of things can’t be resolved in one fell swoop, but progress will add up over time and results aren’t always evident straight away. Did you see Awkward Git’s smoking gun FOI request has been picked up more widely now? There is no magic wand, but we’ve got determination and right on our side.

243688 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 2, #1400 of 1631 🔗

Local groups – called “Unlock London” or “Unlock …” wherever you live. I was at a planning meeting today and will be designing the forms tomorrow.

243640 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rosie, #1401 of 1631 🔗
243556 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 10, #1402 of 1631 🔗

Request for help:

‘UsForThem’ would like us to draft the text of a leaflet for them for secondary school children, to encourage them to do their own research on the health problems from wearing a mask, and to start to question their schools and to say no.

Please help!

243572 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Rosie, 1, #1403 of 1631 🔗

It needs to be concise and cute

243587 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Victoria, 3, #1404 of 1631 🔗

How’s this:

Masks ….

They’re not nice to wear ….
They don’t help stop corona virus/covid …..
They do harm your health.

You don’t get enough oxygen
you breath your waste products back in
they are dirty and horrible

You need fresh air!

Do your research – get together – then start asking questions of your teachers

then some links

243589 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 1, #1405 of 1631 🔗

The dolphin suggestion is good too, perhaps a picture of a dog in a muzzle, to get sympathy for a dog as well.

Dog doesn’t like it – and neither do we

243581 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Rosie, 6, #1406 of 1631 🔗

IMO it should concentrate on what masks do have some use for – eg, preventing infection of open wounds during surgery – and what they do not – eg, they can’t stop covid particles getting through. It should just be a simple ‘pros and cons of masks’ picture. You could have little cartoon bugs etc flying around. Also mention the problems of disposal of millions of masks (show a dolphin choking on one , or something).

243588 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1407 of 1631 🔗

The other day, I was watching a programme about the emergency department of our local hospital. It went on to show someone performing brain surgery to fit a stent. None of the staff were wearing face masks. I thought that they had done a study somewhere showing that where surgeons didn’t wear face masks , there were fewer infections.

243590 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Margaret, #1408 of 1631 🔗

I think that would be a good one on a site for adults, that just picks up the most helpful resources. Can anyone find a link for this one about brain surgery, please?

243599 ▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Rosie, #1410 of 1631 🔗

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/

This refers to surgery in general. I think there have been other studies too.

243665 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Rosie, 1, #1411 of 1631 🔗

https://the modelhealthshow.com/mask facts/

Here it explains how there have been many studies that show that wearing masks during operations does not reduce the risk of wound infections. Despite this they have been difficult for medics to give up, and they can protect against bodily fluids.

A single bacteria cell is 2 micrometers or 1/40th of the width of a hair. Children would understand that a hair is really tiny for 40 bacteria to fit on. (However a virus is too small to be measured in micrometers so it is measured in manometers) you can fit hundreds or thousands of viruses into a single bacteria cell.
Masks are not going to work for these minute droplets!
perhaps the children would also understand the notion of masks being more like wishful thinking.

Perhaps the other vital point is one that was posted earlier – that we need to see people’s mouths and smiles, or we cannot know what they’re saying or feeling.

243671 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, #1412 of 1631 🔗

‘Nanometers’ sorry for typo and the edit button isn’t working,

243609 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Margaret, #1413 of 1631 🔗

1981 Neil Orr

243594 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1415 of 1631 🔗

As long as you remember that masks do not even decrease post operative infections.
The main justification trotted out for masks isn’t even true, its just a custom cos we’ve always dun it that way innit, cos its common sense.
Look at tbe linked scientific studies:
https://visionlaunch.com/more-than-a-dozen-credible-medical-studies-prove-face-masks-do-not-work-even-in-hospitals/

243623 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1416 of 1631 🔗

“preventing infection of open wounds during surgery “

There are studies that show that this is not the case – Vernon Coleman cites one in his latest video.

243631 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PastImperfect, #1417 of 1631 🔗

Thanks, now that you mention it I recall that there have been studies about this.

243702 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1418 of 1631 🔗

I think the masks in operating theatres are mainly to protect from things like unexpected sudden blood spray, rather than to do with any kind of viral transmission… also they take other precautions, namely surgeons change masks regularly, do not wear the same one for hours all day, and adhere generally to good hygiene & other handling guidance. Also I believe they pump oxygen into the environment, knowing people are likely to be (for at least a time) oxygen depleted.

243639 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1419 of 1631 🔗

I think therecshoukd be some stress on the dreadful dehumanisation brought about by the face-cancelling rags.
Ask Alethea to write it.

243617 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Rosie, 1, #1420 of 1631 🔗

A few mask related quotes which might provoke some thought;

‘If you want people to love you for who you are, take the mask off’. – Quetzal

‘I can’t think for you, you’ve got to decide’ Bob Dylan

You wear a mask for so long, you forget who you were beneath it. – Alan Moore

“Don’t you know that a midnight hour comes when everyone has to take off his mask? Do you think life always lets itself be trifled with? Do you think you can sneak off a little before midnight to escape this?”
― Søren Kierkegaard

“We wear the mask that grins and lies,
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—
This debt we pay to human guile;
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile”
― Paul Laurence Dunbar,

You stare in the mirror as if you wish
to go through, your hair clotting with silver
water, to arrive safely under new
lights, to end despair and breathe the good air
of freedom.
Alan Dunnet

243620 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rosie, #1421 of 1631 🔗

Seethe latest Vernon Coleman video on BrandNewYoutube

243684 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to PastImperfect, #1422 of 1631 🔗

Terrific amount of help from every one.

Many thanks, and I’ll pick up Alethea’s post as well.

243697 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Rosie, 2, #1423 of 1631 🔗

Teenagers are vain. Remind them masks give you acne, dry or runny eyes and dental problems which cause bad breath!

243814 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, #1424 of 1631 🔗

Vernon Coleman has a new and free book dedicated to the whole uselessness of masks

Proof That Face Masks Do More Harm Than Good (2020)

243578 Two-Six, 2, #1425 of 1631 🔗

Mark Windows Live now on http://republicbroadcasting.org/ talking about Common Law. He knows a lot about it.
The adverts on this live feed is very entertaining too. Very American.

243583 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 15, #1426 of 1631 🔗

Not convinced his letter will get a response. But got to respect Piers for his efforts! he doesn’t stop!

Piers Corbyn challenges the Archbishop Of Canterbury to debate the Church’s role in the NewWorldOrder
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/pierscorbyn-challenges-the-archbishop-of-canterbury-to-debate-the-church-039-s-role-in-the-newworld_RMOuNtju6PSUHmb.html

243636 ▶▶ annie, replying to Darryl, 6, #1427 of 1631 🔗

Challenging Welby is like poking a dead jellyfish: there was virtually nothing there to begin with, snd what little there was us now dribbling pointlessly away into the sand.
The second half if that comment also applies to the Anglican church as a whole.

243586 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #1428 of 1631 🔗

Just seen this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54920146

Ticketmaster denying that they will require covid vaccination. Guess they got a lot of stick for putting it out there earlier…

243657 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1429 of 1631 🔗

Phew.

243592 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 9, #1430 of 1631 🔗

Had a response from our MP about the letter we sent to him, following our phone conversation.
He tells us that he has sent our concerns to Bozo, Gove and Hancock and will let us know when he receives a response.

I won’t hold my breath then.

243622 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Margaret, 1, #1431 of 1631 🔗

Sterling work, Margaret! You can take a horse to water….

243598 Draper233, 7, #1432 of 1631 🔗

From the Telegraph:

World saw nearly 10 million cases of measles last year, WHO figures show The death toll from measles rocketed by 50 per cent between 2016 and 2019 and last year the number of reported cases hit the highest figure in 23 years, according to annual estimates.
The figures show that 207,500 people – mainly children – died from the infectious disease in 2019, up from 140,000 the previous year.
The figures from the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the United States also show that nearly 10 million people contracted measles in 2019 and are a stark reminder that the world is under threat from many infectious diseases, not just Covid.

243604 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1433 of 1631 🔗

Looking at the cumulative deaths on the government’s Coronavirus in the UK deaths dashboard , I was struck by the large difference in the number of deaths depending on whether one uses (a) “ deaths within 28 days of positive test ” or (b) “ deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate “.

Does anyone know why the death-certificate figure is 21% higher than the 28-day-test figure?

243607 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mabel Cow, #1434 of 1631 🔗

I know that a positive test is not required for it to be recorded on a death certificate and this was pretty common in care homes early on

243614 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1435 of 1631 🔗

Death can be suspected Covid I believe

243616 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1436 of 1631 🔗

The higher figure is those with Covid on the death certificate but who didn’t die within 28 days of a positive test.

243630 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to NickR, 2, #1437 of 1631 🔗

And only certified by one person under emergency measures. Not that I care anymore anyway. More people have died of/ with Covid because of lockdown.

243751 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 2, #1438 of 1631 🔗

And note the number of verified deaths from Covid (and no comorbidities) = 0

243605 Darryl, 3, #1439 of 1631 🔗

It’s a shame that Piers Corbyn seems to have a Twitter ban, I would love to know how his ‘Educational Meeting’ went today.

12 Nov  London
Educational Meeting with Piers and others
Hyde Park, North Carriage Drive, Covid Testing Centre
(nearest tube, Lancaster Gate)
Thursday 12 Nov, from 2pm

243606 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 7, #1440 of 1631 🔗

Just seen Stevens is saying cases have soared with the highest number of deaths today being a record for covid. They’ve clearly lost control of the narrative. I strongly suspect it’s the flu they are talking about. What a shitshow!

243611 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1441 of 1631 🔗

What makes you say that Jo? Presumably they can just say that this is all because we were very very naughty all summer and there will be a lag before we see a positive impact from lockdown/circuit breaker/ tier 98? Would be very pleased to hear more about your more positive reading of this, though!

243634 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Charlie Blue, 18, #1442 of 1631 🔗

Charlie Blue because over te past 6 weeks or so ONS figures have shown CV19 has all but flatlined and there are more deaths from flu and pneumonia. It’s shown on their graphs. Now the MSM narrative has effectively turned against the establishment narrative and more investigative journalism is taking place regarding datasets they are rapidly losing the scare factor. I think the public are too getting fed up of the whole thing. I work in a job with a high level of contact with the public and as soon as i say i’m a real sceptic about all of this it seems to release some tension they have been holding in. Those such as the BBC and the Guardian are using words like ‘soaring’ when clearly cases are plummeting as the true data actually shows. So they keep using the scare stats but the truth is covid tolerance thresholds are taking hold too many negatives not enough positives. Fatigue about it all has taken hold. I have a very finely tuned bullshit detector. People are getting really bored with it all!!

243644 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #1443 of 1631 🔗

Thanks, Jo! I find this so helpful since in my social world (not that it really could be called that any more) and work life zealotry is still the order of the day and my views are met with patronising pity or anger. None of those people would dream of breaking free from the BBC. I really want to hear the details when there are green shoots that I can’t see for myself.

243899 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Charlie Blue, #1444 of 1631 🔗

Yes Telford zombies everywhere in my experience.

243709 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #1445 of 1631 🔗

They are evidently getting tired of it all but we somehow need to get them sceptical.

243798 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo Dominich -, 6, #1446 of 1631 🔗

At work (a large company) back in March, I was the only sceptical voice as we entered lockdown. Now, the sceptical position is the majority view and my view is listened to. It’s not come all the way across, but a big, big advance on what it was!

243642 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jo Dominich -, 15, #1447 of 1631 🔗

It may sound callous but I would say so what? what age were all these deaths? every now and then something comes along and the elderly and the vulnerable are susceptible, sad but that is what happens. Nobody lives forever, we cannot cheat the grim reaper.
It is foolish and self destructive to lock us all down and destroy society in order to try and pretend that nobody ever has to die. Especially as these lock-downs do not seem to have any impact.
If people under 60 were dying in large numbers then maybe drastic action needed but as it is???????
Am I a heartless monster or a realist?

243663 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1448 of 1631 🔗

The latter, of course.
The fact that deaths outside the old-age range are rare is demonstrated by the way the MSN shriek hysterically on the few occasions when a younger person’s death is attributed to Covvie.

243802 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1449 of 1631 🔗

Practical realist.

243900 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Steve Martindale, #1450 of 1631 🔗

Yes you are a heartless monster! All lives matter even if you are 120 and can barely move anymore. What on earth could be wrong with destroying the economy,the health care system,education,culture,sport etc etc etc to save this person until the end of the week?

243754 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1451 of 1631 🔗

NHS England stats for November 12 tell a different story.

243760 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1452 of 1631 🔗

Huh? Deaths are slightly lower than yesterday aren’t they?

243792 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1453 of 1631 🔗

563 deaths posted on Worldometers today, against a high of 1,166 deaths on April 21st.

243624 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, -10, #1454 of 1631 🔗

Vaccines are just like masks! They HELP getting people together and united!

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243629 ▶▶ annie, replying to Voz 0db, 15, #1455 of 1631 🔗

Take it away, I feel sick.

243643 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Voz 0db, 15, #1456 of 1631 🔗

What’s the fucking point of wearing fucking masks?! Really, why?

Other that signifying to me that they are a potential target 🙂

243716 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1457 of 1631 🔗

C’m on man, you know the thing – the liberty to be masked.

243625 Alethea, replying to Alethea, 54, #1458 of 1631 🔗

Mask Poisoning

Today I’ve been at work all day, teaching seminars in which all the students are masked.

Between seminars, I move through a campus virtually deserted; occasionally an odd figure emerges from a doorway or crosses a square of grass; each such figure is masked. I see no evidence of anyone else teaching in person. There may be other hold-outs for normality scattered across the university, but if so they – we – are a tiny minority.
I eat lunch on my own in my office; afterwards, I go to the nearby cafe for coffee. Usually in term-time it would be crowded, with a complex queue for different counters and tills. Nowadays it’s empty. I sail in, calling hello to the nice man behind the counter (he is masked; new to the job this autumn, he has never shown his face to me).

Teaching university seminars in which every student is masked is a strange experience. It’s a humanities subject, so the point of a seminar is to explore ideas in a group. It requires quite a high level of mutual confidence and trust, if students are to be willing, let alone keen, to share unformed thoughts and risk revealing a lack of understanding or a difficulty in interpreting some aspect of the material at hand.
What is the basis for such pro-social trust and confidence? Self-expression and mutual recognition: the experience of making one’s presence known and being acknowledged, and acknowledging others, in return. ‘Social distancing’ and mandatory mask-wearing intervene in the vectors of these experiences; seeking to halt transmission of the virus is coterminous with an attack on the routes of social and interpersonal exchange that constitute group and community existence.

I believe in the social, psychological and spiritual importance of embodied presence, so I want to continue teaching in person. But it is difficult to teach groups of students set 2m apart from each other, their faces covered. How are they to make themselves visible in the group, and recognise each other? I try hard to overcome these obstacles, and so do my students; none of them are withdrawing, they all keep contributing and committing. They all have my face. Sometimes when I’m reading a passage aloud, I look up and see a student watching me, rather than looking down at the text. I can’t know what he or she is thinking, but I think that if I was in his or her place I would want to take the opportunity to look at another human face.

But I go the whole day without seeing any face except my own, in the mirror in the loos. I last saw a live human face on Monday, at my ‘bubble’s’ house; I will next see one next Monday, in the same place. All day I concentrate on understanding what my students are thinking and feeling and trying to say: I focus on their eyes, but no matter what poets or mask-apologists say, I don’t find anything there that I can read. I see eyes; I don’t see an expression. I think you must have to know someone very well to extrapolate their expression from their eyes alone.

Eyes are to the face, in particular to the mouth, what zero is to an integer. Eye contact alone means nothing: it’s force without significance. With a smile, it is lovely. With a set mouth, it’s threatening. Eyes alone mean nothing at all. But I spend my day scouring them for information, any sign of the person behind the mask.

By the end of such a day, I am sick with a kind of cumulative relational malnutrition, or environmental poisoning. I go home alone. There is literally nowhere I can go in order to see a human face.

243628 ▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 5, #1459 of 1631 🔗

Nappyfaces are the opposite of people.
What would happen if you told your students to take off their nappies?

243637 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 12, #1460 of 1631 🔗

I might frighten some of them. Those who believe that we are threatened by a plague. It could not be the basis of good teaching to make students feel that their lives were at risk in the seminar room.
Or, I might be very seriously reprimanded by my head of department. I am an employee; I can’t make my own rules. The university is hardline on the masks question.

243651 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Alethea, 7, #1461 of 1631 🔗

Relational malnutrition is the perfect phrase, Alethea. Exactly how I feel. You write beautifully. How can so many fail to recognise how desperate this state of affairs is?

243708 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1462 of 1631 🔗

Because we have, for many years now, been immunised by political correctness, identity politics, and the abdication of common sense and a sense of common purpose, against our own natural feelings of connection with one another. It is now abundantly clear that this current deadly fiasco is merely one more example of and further training for our descent into some form of publicly mandated psychosis. Thankfully, the ‘vaccine’ is rejected in a great many cases by our natural ability to recognise malignancy, allowing us to reinfect, where possible, those who have succumbed. Keep the faith.

243742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1463 of 1631 🔗

Of course you are right. And I will never give up hope that the tide will turn

243654 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 5, #1464 of 1631 🔗

Have you discussed the question with your students? Do they know why you are free-faced?If they keep coming to you, it proves for a start that they don’t think your face is going to kill them.

The fact that institution supposedly staffed and frequented by intelligent people take this cretinous attitude never ceases to amaze me. Same goes for people with a medical training, like the two nappied vets who came to our stables on Monday. They must know it’s rubbish, they simply must.

I think it’s mostly due to the terror of the snitch. I know the stable staff think face nappies are rubbish, because they never bother with nappies if nobody else is around (not counting me). But when the vets were there, the staff were all nappied and mine was the only human face.

243686 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 8, #1465 of 1631 🔗

I am particularly concerned about young infants. A 2.5 year old will already have spent more than a third of their lives surrounded by people jn masks, including their parents when out shopping. An observant child is watching people’s faces all the time. Now all they are blank or decorated masks. It must affect their development.

243700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to OKUK, 3, #1466 of 1631 🔗

God yes – the first child I heard, inconsolable, the deepest damage to their personality

243706 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 1, #1467 of 1631 🔗

A screen is going to be WAY more interesting than a human face.

243711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1468 of 1631 🔗

Yes, will encourage deeper screen addiction. Add in all the events (fairs, sporting events, pantomimes, etc) they are missing out on as well. Very bleak.

243724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 1, #1469 of 1631 🔗

As I commented earlier, before it was once bad that kids were getting too much screen time.before all this. Now we must virtualise everything cause they might get a cold.

243784 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to OKUK, 2, #1470 of 1631 🔗

I’m sure it must. The children are not learning the subtleties of facial communication.
I read a couple of years ago of a study by French child psychologists reporting that children who spent a lot of time watching cartoons in which expressions are stylised and exaggerated were growing up without these social skills.
The same is going to be happening now to so many children. And happening with knobs on.

243907 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to OKUK, #1471 of 1631 🔗

Its terribly sad for them. So glad I am old with only a couple of decades ahead of me. God help the young with all the shite coming down the tracks.

243905 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Alethea, #1472 of 1631 🔗

Not much hope in universities then. Its going to take as long as it did for the Berlin Wall to come down at that rate.

243649 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alethea, 4, #1473 of 1631 🔗

Very interesting post, thank you. I wonder if you are aware of ‘Facial Justice’, the 1960 novely by L.P.Hartley about a dystopian future where compulsory plastic surgery is enforced to give everyone the same featureless expressions. It’s a great book but hardly anyone has heard of it, which is strange given the popularity of Hartley’s other novel ‘The Go Between’. I suspect it was unpopular with academics, critics etc due to political reasons.

243669 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1474 of 1631 🔗

As in the Harrison Bergeron story, where good-looking people are compelled to wear hideous masks. Masks are the ultimate leveller: nobody is human.
Ants, too, look very much alike.

243704 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 8, #1475 of 1631 🔗

To paraphrase George Orwell, ‘if you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a mask smothering a human face, forever.’

243652 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Alethea, 4, #1476 of 1631 🔗

Society is utter smashed to bits. Incredible. Just stunning. Totally broken.

243827 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1477 of 1631 🔗

II’m not so pessimistic. There is a big elephant in the room for the Govt and it’s called Christmas. It is sacrosanct in this country for millions. They tend to the obsessive about it, over indiluge over spend and generally do it to excesd whereas in most countries around the world it is Christmas Eve that is celebrated quietly and christmad day is pretty normal. New year is the big thing.

Now I think one thing that will spark flouting regulations rebellion is if people are being told they can’t have their family Christmas, have relatives in care homes stay ovet and many other things.

The Govt are likely to fall off the highwire unceremoniously if they date to sabbotage the British Christmas.

243856 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1478 of 1631 🔗

I agree but the Government will just ease the restrictions before Christmas and New year and use the excuse that because of all the mixing,the rates have gone up again;to lock us all up again.
Follow the furlough

243664 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Alethea, 19, #1479 of 1631 🔗

The masks are just vile, aren’t they? Vile. They affect me deeply in ways I can’t quite explain, but you articulate it well. Saying they are dehumanising would, for me, be a massive understatement.

I hate the sight of anyone wearing them, particularly friends, loved ones and colleagues.

243668 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 14, #1480 of 1631 🔗

Absolutely. Make me feel absolutely ill. At time as if I have literally been beaten around the head.

Alethea, sending you many hugs

243678 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Alethea, 7, #1481 of 1631 🔗

I fucking despise universities, eager collaborators through and through. I will never willingly visit mine again.

243762 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Alethea, 3, #1482 of 1631 🔗

Thanks for this post Alethea. It is a very good one.

243785 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Alethea, 6, #1483 of 1631 🔗

Wow! Thankyou for this, Alethea.

At my place the students are ungagged in teaching rooms, but are required to wear a gag in corridors. I won’t wear a gimp gag, and I won’t wear a damned lanyard, so I have been reduced to making surgical strikes on my teaching room. I have a desk in a shared office, but after mandatory gags in the corridors came at the start of term, I’ve not been in.

I scuttle into the building like a rat. I teach in as normal a manner as possible. I scuttle away like a rat in terror of being seen ungagged in a face free zone.

243806 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Alethea, 3, #1484 of 1631 🔗

What you are experiencing is an early symptom of depression it seems to me. I would try and find moments of solace by attacking it directly. Maybe ask a colleague to have a coffee with the specific request of doing so unmasked. Make it a daily thing. If they know your character, which comes across in your post, they will surely understand that such interaction is vital to your wellbeing. Hell, it’s is to everybody. Who am I kidding.

However, remember, your health is your wealth and you need to defend it.

243888 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Alethea, #1485 of 1631 🔗

Heartbreaking.

243626 Cheezilla, 15, #1486 of 1631 🔗

Give Us Courage

Give us courage, gaiety and the quiet mind.

Spare us to our friends, soften to us our enemies.

Bless us, if it may be, in all our innocent endeavors.

If it may not, give us the strength to encounter

that which is to come, that we be brave in peril,

constant in tribulation, temperate in wrath,

and in all changes of fortune and down to the gates

of death, loyal and loving to one another.

~ Robert Louis Stevenson ~

243647 Ossettian, 3, #1487 of 1631 🔗

Mask wearers: the first time zombies have been terrified of contact.

243650 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1488 of 1631 🔗

I fucking DOUBLE DARE this government to turn this country into an apartheid state. We need to dial down the angst on here and online in general. It ain’t gonna happen.

243660 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1489 of 1631 🔗

Get to know Reiner Fuellmich, and then set to work to convert people, one by one.

https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20

243676 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Rosie, 3, #1490 of 1631 🔗

Tried sharing this fella and this site and get called a conspiracy theorist. Will just stick to being strong and take what comes. What I know for a FACT is that once the clowns have been vaccinated, they will be champing at the bit to be freed from bondage. The country will be skint. There is NOT A SNIFF that money and resources will be wasted setting up the apparatus that will go towards making non-vaccinated people’s lives a misery. The will simply won’t be there.

243710 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1491 of 1631 🔗

Yes, they aren’t ready for it.
The only thing is to find out where they are, and try to move them on a bit.
Otherwise we make the brainwashing worse. It’s a well-identified phenomenon, that if you go for it from too far away, you merely further reinforce the brainwashing. It’s called ‘frames’

In fact there is an example here on this site – I keep talking about Fuellmich’s work and nobody responds, nobody can get their head around the fact that these criminals really are being pursued for crimes against humanity. people here just dismiss it.

243797 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, #1492 of 1631 🔗

What is the latest timeline for their case? The big announcement was encouraging but haven’t seen much since.

243674 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1493 of 1631 🔗

Oh they’re doing that alright.

243653 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 5, #1494 of 1631 🔗

Curious as to what other Northern Irish sceptics (or otherwise of course)make of the latest from Stormont?
Just saw Arlenes twitter clip….I think if she had her own way, she would have stuck to her guns about everything reopening on the original date, but had to compromise.
Just my thoughts and I don’t vote DUP.
Oh and I hate that she actually did mention face coverings towards the end.

243759 ▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to Janice21, 1, #1495 of 1631 🔗

Like yourself wouldn’t be a DUP supporter but good to see a party at least prepared to question the Covid narrative. Sinn Fein and the rest seem to think they are wonderful human beings by always upping the ante for more restrictions… ignoring the collateral damage. The magic Tory money tree can always be called upon.

243793 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hill Street Bluez, #1496 of 1631 🔗

Sinn Fein have an interesting few connections to the Pharma industry it seems. The source has to be taken with a pinch though.

https://freepress.ie/2020/10/mary-lou-macdonald-and-the-covid-19-vaccine-connection/

At least the DUP are pushing back in some fashion. Though they’ve only been able to agree to kick the can. What happens in a week? Do we have some big plan waiting to kick off? Na, it’s pointless.

I wrote to my MLA again this week to insist he push the local health body to publish their PCR CTs. Ignored again.

Northern Ireland has had a creaking NHS for years and is being found out due to a self imposed PCR staff shortage and inability to forward plan at all.

The level of compliance here is generally high. Some signs today of resistance to the torture. But just whispers really. The economy is shot, avaliable jobs in Belfast have dropped by half already in the past 8 months. Brexit looming. Its up the creak without a paddle alright.

243819 ▶▶▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1497 of 1631 🔗

Interesting link about Mary Lou… wheels within wheels. Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone…suffocated by hypocrisy and masks present and past

243847 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hill Street Bluez, #1498 of 1631 🔗

The good thing is that they have links to many of their sources.

243843 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janice21, #1499 of 1631 🔗

Planned elective surgery was cancelled in at least three of the five health trusts in Northern Ireland this week.

The trusts involved say it is because of staffing pressures and the need to increase the number of intensive care beds for seriously ill Covid patients.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54921936

PCR manufactured staff crisis.

243655 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1500 of 1631 🔗

Anyone interested in reasons why masks are a complete waste of time needs to read this, well referenced and argued:
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240649

243780 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nessimmersion, #1501 of 1631 🔗

Great read. Used to follow his blog years ago. I see he’s made no investments in IT since.

243790 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1502 of 1631 🔗

I’m guessing at a combination of caution and retirement/ doesn’t need to anymore.

243659 Cheezilla, 13, #1504 of 1631 🔗

Here are some ideas from someone on SORUK who was doing her own anti-face nappy education campaign. Her muzzle had SLAVE writ large on it.
Some of the ideas are easy to a try:

I tried a different approach and laid [the face nappy] on the seat next to me or draped it over my knee, at least a few people seemed to clock it comment image
While I’m on the tube I’m busy sussing people out and as I get off I often just put a flyer in the seat next to my chosen victim, smile at them and leave the train. Most times I saw the person pick it up.
Next mission is to buy some chalk and get going Banksy style. A friend of mine does what he calls a ChalkAbout, and he says some of the messages have stayed on for weeks

243672 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 17, #1505 of 1631 🔗

The EuroMomo site is showing a moderate increase of excess deaths in England over the last couple of weeks. Almost all those excess deaths are in the over 75 years group, with about half in the over 85 years.
EuroMomo site uses national statistics over a period of years to make comparisons, its not easily manipulable.
We know from NHS stats that over 95% of deaths with covid -19 were people with at least one cmorbidity.
Given the findings from Heneghan and co about infection rates in hospitals its very likely the majority of these deaths are of elderly people already in hospitals who tested positive of covid whilst dying of other ailments. Exactly the same thing happened in the spring, but on a larger scale.
If people arewith covid are admitted into general hospitals with ward staff that move around wards and the wards are on floors with lift shafts , the infections will spread and the most frail in the hospitals will stand a greater chance of dying.
The NHS had 6 months to prepare for the annual build up of respiratory disease season. It has failed again.

243722 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, #1506 of 1631 🔗

Excess deaths as in a seasonal peak?

243756 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1507 of 1631 🔗

As in the same figures for the last five years?

243755 ▶▶ leggy, replying to peyrole, #1508 of 1631 🔗

Seen any data on excess deaths in younger age groups?

243767 ▶▶ RickH, replying to peyrole, 5, #1509 of 1631 🔗

As said – forget ‘excess’ deaths : it’s a meaningless rubber-ruler term. Just look at the historical context. Euromomo is useful as long as you do that and don’t take too much heed of their decontextualised definitions of ‘excess’ when normal seasonal and yearly variation is taken into account.

Currently, there’s a totally unexceptional seasonal rise in deaths – as there is at this time every year.

243779 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #1510 of 1631 🔗

Absobloodylutely

243679 mjr, replying to mjr, 11, #1511 of 1631 🔗

tonights BBC covid fest brainwashing (question time )
Handjob, an imperial college immuniologist, Lammy, a leftie comedian .
gonna be some really deep and searching questions!!!!!! .
i think i’ll have an early night

243687 ▶▶ DRW, replying to mjr, 3, #1512 of 1631 🔗

“So why do you think we need to lockdown forever?”

243737 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mjr, #1513 of 1631 🔗

Can viewers not call/text/email Qs?

243816 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1514 of 1631 🔗

no . there is a zoom type video audience (in “normal” times a studio audience) who ask the pre -vetted questions and can comment on answers .

243747 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to mjr, 2, #1515 of 1631 🔗

There was a programme a couple of months ago which featured both Gupta and Caldwell. This clearly could not be allowed to continue and the programme’s editors have ruthlessly excluded sceptics pretty much ever since

243680 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1516 of 1631 🔗

This is scary. Caroline Stephens talking about a meeting involving many “Common Purpose” people discussing the COVID scam and the next governmental round of insanity.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Av3144SbKf