2020-11-13

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243891 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 25, #1 of 1760 🔗

Morning – Will and Toby – whenever do you sleep

243896 ▶▶ john, replying to Judy Watson, 62, #2 of 1760 🔗

It seems they never do – and we are entirely and eternally grateful to them for staying up until the wee hours compiling all this information. Thank you!

243966 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to john, 17, #3 of 1760 🔗

Dear Everyone  6:56am

Write your MP a short sweet email.

“If you continue to vote through jobs destroying lockdown I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU OR YOUR PARTY AGAIN”

https://www.writetothem.com/

(Don’t try and persuade them with facts. The only facts the care about tis THEIR jobs)

Keep writing – it’s free – don’t worry if you don’t get a reply)

244150 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #4 of 1760 🔗

My MP voted FOR this lockdown, and now she’s joined the Tory ”rebel” group. Is that hypocrisy, or what?

244229 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Banjones, 23, #5 of 1760 🔗

Perhaps she has changed her mind, when the revised figures were made known. I wish no-one had voted for the lockdown, but if everyone changed their minds now it would stop. That has to be a better thing, in my view.

244269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Jo, 13, #6 of 1760 🔗

Agreed. There’s nothing to be gained by turning away those who may have reconsidered their position.

244406 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Banjones, 1, #7 of 1760 🔗

She is controlled opposition with the Tory party, or has she seen the light.

244267 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #8 of 1760 🔗

I have written to Greg Knight (‘who?’ you may ask) about 3 or 4 times and had only an automated reply. If events in the recent news about No. 10 reveal that even the Cabinet don’t know what’s going on, and backbenchers even less, one has to ask what is the point and why are we bothering?

244411 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jane G, 8, #9 of 1760 🔗

We are bothering because our lives, not just livelihoods, are going to depend on it.

244456 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rowan, 5, #10 of 1760 🔗

Exactly. What else should we do? Lie down and take it?!

I have grandkids and I’m very concerned what they’re being led into.

244667 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Rowan, 2, #11 of 1760 🔗

I know, and I’ll probably keep on at him, but with even less optimism than previously. Doesn’t sound as though GBHQ pay any attention to their own party MPs, and if the MPs disregard their constituents….

244793 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #12 of 1760 🔗

I can’t be bothered to do that and content myself with asking my MP, on his Facebook posts, when he is going to step aside and make way for someone whose nostrils are not buried in the Westminster trough.

245109 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #13 of 1760 🔗

Yep. Just got a reply this evening from Caroline Lucas. As a remainer, former Guardian reading vegan I was proud to be her constituent. Her reply was terrifying. Long list of massaged figures culminating in a condemnation of anti-vaxxers for spreading FEAR!!!! The IRONY. You could not make this shit up. I chastised her immediately for being deeply irresponsible. The notion that a vaccine, rushed and politicised, should be rolled out arbitrarily without all the usual criminal trials, that it should be used as a bargaining chip, disallowing young people from going to concerts and sports fans attending events unless they consent to a vial of poison going into their arm… is inhumane and disgusting. Even hardened vaccine advocates I know would NEVER go near this one. The MPs are all either colluding or brainwashed. I have lost hope. Where can we go and live???
UPDATE: I considered correcting the “criminal” to “clinical” typo but decided it was too apt to change!

245661 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #14 of 1760 🔗

As a Leaver, former Telegraph reading omnivore I agree with you entirely.

243988 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to john, #15 of 1760 🔗

Absotively!

244334 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to john, 13, #16 of 1760 🔗

I totally second that! LS is the one thing that has kept me properly informed and SANE these last eight months. Thanks for all the hard work. Also, I heartily recommend the London Calling podcast with James Delingpole and Toby, which despite the doom and gloom subjects, they always make me laugh. Cheers!

244488 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #17 of 1760 🔗

Yes especially when they have a buddies fall out!

243895 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 80, #18 of 1760 🔗

The more I read about police reactions, the elderly in care homes being denied visits. The complete shutdown of leisure activities, difficulty in shopping – the list is endless. I am glad I live in Thailand where we can still intermingle in the bars/restaurants with no wearing of face muzzles, no anti-social distancing etc. I would be in the psychiatric unit if I was in the UK – or prison for consistently ‘flouting the rules”

Good luck to you all.

243908 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #19 of 1760 🔗

I’m genuinely terrified of having to go back, Judy, this has convinced me of something I have been mulling for the past couple of years – they can bury me east of Suez.

244461 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #20 of 1760 🔗

How disempowering! There’s absolutely no need to be terrified – yet! There’s work to be done.

243918 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 16, #21 of 1760 🔗

It seems to vary from place to place, around here the Police are still largely absent despite large numbers of people milling about but Alex Belfied YouTube reports on 30 officers descending on a gym in London yesterday to close it down. Thirty !

244139 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to karenovirus, 22, #22 of 1760 🔗

Yet, when the cenotaph was being trampled on by XR scum, they stood by and let it happen!!! Imagine if that had been Sceptics demonstrating, foreign speaking Police would have waded in with shields and truncheons. Who is telling them to do this, Pritti Patel or Clarise Dickhead?

244493 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to FlynnQuill, 7, #23 of 1760 🔗

Patel I suspect…she is a nasty little authoritarian hiding behind the big boy coppers.

245310 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #24 of 1760 🔗

Don’t forget Khan. As Mayor he has the lead role and I think is consulted on how to respond to all major demos. He favours political policing. He will indicate to Dick when to go in heavy and when not. BLM, anti-Israel, XR, SWP, Islamic all good.

244416 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, #25 of 1760 🔗

And no doubt some of them were armed, you just can’t be too careful.

244491 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to karenovirus, 5, #26 of 1760 🔗

There is still a ‘lack of resources’ to attend a burglary though.

243991 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #27 of 1760 🔗

How many of us could you fit in?

243898 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 63, #28 of 1760 🔗

Doesn’t the behaviour of the police in enforcing the Rona Act tell folks all they need to know that this is far from being about public safety in fighting a virus?
This is all about compliance through fear and intimidation. They know there won’t be many popping their heads up and openly flouting the regulations but when there is a chance of one of us lowly entrepreneurial plebs daring to oppose the bulls**t, they swoop down in large numbers and make a big show of it. Might as well start tasering us in the streets for an exposed nose peeking out above a mask.
They have so much riding on the big move and the behaviour of the police is clear evidence they can’t afford dissent to spread or be inspired by a few small pleb victories on the streets. It is vital they crush us dissenters right down no matter what it takes.

243944 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eddie, 56, #29 of 1760 🔗

In other words, they are afraid of us.
In the long term, they have reason to be.Truth will out, and the evidence against the evildoers will be overwhelming. They will have nowhere to hide. We’ll find them, and justice will be done.

243993 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 18, #30 of 1760 🔗

And they can’t hide behind “we was only following orders” when the day of reckoning arrives.

244036 ▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to annie, 27, #31 of 1760 🔗

Dont you find it suspicious how much the police seem to know. They never bothered their backsides to get to you quickly with real crime now they seem to have eyes and ears everywhere and I dont believe it’s a nosy parker reporting each time. They are turning up in way out obscure places ( country pubs ect). Mass surveillance eyes and ears everywhere??

244135 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to miahoneybee, 8, #32 of 1760 🔗

Yep 5G is wonderful 🙁

244226 ▶▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to William Hand, 9, #33 of 1760 🔗

Yep all the roads dug up and not to repair the potholes …..

245684 ▶▶▶ Dr Downunder, replying to annie, #34 of 1760 🔗

Yes they are afraid of us but no, justice will not be done. Those who have controlled the narrative for the last hundred years have realized in the last few years, as more people migrate away from the mainstream media, that this is no longer possible. Hence the broad assault on all remaining civil liberties, on-line freedom of expression, national pride and any nascent resistance to their agenda. Any real opposition is ruthlessly suppressed by the banking system banning dissenters from possessing even a bank account.

These people are ruthless and will not give up their power over us without a gargantuan struggle.

244319 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Eddie, 5, #35 of 1760 🔗

COVID Stasi make the case for de-funding the police more convincingly, if equally as thuggishly, as BLM mobs

244472 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TyRade, 4, #36 of 1760 🔗

They’d probably be replaced with something worse.
The police aren’t the problem. It’s those who make the policies and strategy and tell the police what to do that need to be defunded.

244842 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #37 of 1760 🔗

‘The Police’ are very much part of the problem.

245642 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to William Gruff, 3, #38 of 1760 🔗

Destroyed by first the Stephen Lawrence inquiry and since by common purpose and equal opportunities recruitment.

244443 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Eddie, 17, #39 of 1760 🔗

You make a very good case for the view that there is far more to this coronavirus event than meets the eye. The close involvement of depopulation freak Bill Gates, only adds to the potential villainy of what is now taking place across the country and most of the rest of the world. I would suggest that even the horror stories coming out of the WEF are meant only as distractions and that the real aims of our global masters are really far far worse. If people aren’t now very concerned for the lives of themselves and their kin, then they simply haven’t been paying sufficient attention.

244495 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Eddie, 5, #40 of 1760 🔗

Yes its the old mayor of New York approach known as zero tolerance policing. Crack down on the little things so the big things never get out of hand.

243901 Paul Mendelsohn, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 22, #41 of 1760 🔗

Seen in the Times today;

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/false-news-on-covid-19-vaccine-threatens-herd-immunity-wdglvkwkp

Look through the comments. The posts with the highest likes are mainly wanting to make vaccines mandatory or keep people excluded from school/travel etc for not vaccinating.

Chilling.

243969 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 27, #42 of 1760 🔗

Don’t be too concerned. The comment sections of such newspapers are the favourite stamping-ground of 77 Brigade.

244262 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Simon Dutton, 7, #43 of 1760 🔗

Tobias Ellwood: the deep stater’s deep stater.

245279 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bugle, #44 of 1760 🔗

And as thick as two short planks.

245641 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, #45 of 1760 🔗

Ellwood – ‘deep’? Sorry – doesn’t compute.

244712 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Simon Dutton, 3, #46 of 1760 🔗

Yes a lot of it is likely the handiwork of 77th Brigade, but that really doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be concerned. These things will come to pass if we don’t resist forcefully.

243985 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 27, #47 of 1760 🔗

By the same token, the comments on the DM are very ant-, both lockdown and jab, and usually get upticked heavily. Yes, the occasional one is for a continual lockdown until ‘we have eradicated the virus’, or how selfish you are If you refuse the jab, type of thing, but these comments are usually downvoted by loads. If I’m on a site where I can comment easily I often just answer with ‘Come in, no77, your game.., sorry time is up.’. Probably pointless but it gives me pleasure. And that’s in short supply at the moment.

244486 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 6, #48 of 1760 🔗

Have you notice how calling them out tends to shut them up? They probably move on to another paper and put a different shill in their place.
Cynic? Moi?!

245293 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, #49 of 1760 🔗

I’ve noticed from here they possibly work as tag teams with an offence and defence. The role of the defence is to provide some qualified support (“could be something in what you say”, “hear him out”, “yes that happened to my Nan, so he’s not wrong”) the idea being to.spread seeds of doubt in sceptic minds.

244480 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 1, #50 of 1760 🔗

Paywall plus shills. Don’t feed the trolls, it just plays into their hands.

244847 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 1, #51 of 1760 🔗

I’ve never thought of Christmas as the inevitable result of enfranchising turkeys, however, in a metaphorical sense I can that the Christmas that is coming is just that.

245274 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, #52 of 1760 🔗

Brigade at work? Pretty chilling to think it could be but we’d have no way of knowing.

243903 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 46, #53 of 1760 🔗

This rabble of socioeconomic vandals, these fascist disciples of the WEF are Conservative in name only. How you can make a monumental decision such as shutting down the economy without commissioning any kind of forecast or analysis into the consequences is an act rooted in the most criminal negligence imaginable.

This lot need to be rounded up and sent to the gulags before they inflict the same fate upon us.

243951 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Scotty87, 4, #54 of 1760 🔗

They can go and socially distance themselves on Rockall.

243952 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #55 of 1760 🔗

Tough on Rockall!

244080 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to annie, 2, #56 of 1760 🔗

—and i they don’t like Rockall, we’ll give then Fuckall.

244117 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 1, #57 of 1760 🔗

They need Rentokill

244650 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Scotty87, #58 of 1760 🔗

Who is going to round them up?

243904 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #59 of 1760 🔗

Forgot eggs for breakfast so I nipped out to the market. Coming back in I encountered my first certifiable covid lunatic. A white (technically, orange) woman in her thirties. Masked up, staring at me with geet big goggly eyes as if I were the Lambton Worm. Shared the lift. She stood right in the corner, facing into it. I said nothing except, as I left, I stage-whispered the single word “lunatic”.

She was returning home from working on her tan. Major health risk for her age group and behaviours is obviously melanoma. More likely just getting old and crusty before her time. I celebrate the incident by quoting Kit and the Widow’s parody of The Girl from Ipanema, to be sung to the same tune.

Tall and tan and young and lovely
The girl from Ipanema goes walking
And when she passes, each one she passes
Goes “a-a-a-h
The price of a tropical tanned back
Is a face like a crocodile handbag,”
They go “a-a-a-h
How can you tell what she’s feeling
When both of her eyelids are peeling?”

243920 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #60 of 1760 🔗

A Lady of Leather perhaps.

243941 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 2, #61 of 1760 🔗

Clever. 😉

244045 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #62 of 1760 🔗

A fart plus the comment that two layers of cloth didn’t stop that would have been a good response too.

244084 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #63 of 1760 🔗

A face like Chistiane Lagarde.

244610 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #64 of 1760 🔗

Christine Lagarde. Former IMF. Came to Quebec in 2013 when the Quebec Liberal Party won the provincial election. Nasty piece of work.

245644 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #65 of 1760 🔗

Head of the ECB.very involved in digital currencies

243906 Allen, replying to Allen, 110, #66 of 1760 🔗

PCR tests and Rapid Express tests for Corona Virus- None of these tests measure the viral load- none of these tests actually tell you if you have an infection- infection means you have an active virus and it’s replicating- the viral load is an amount that would cause an immune reaction and would hence make you sick- none of these tests can do that- they are not diagnostic tests

And all of these monstrous policies are being developed based on this hugely flawed and unreliable testing system.

The first time I heard the “new normal” term and this mantra of “things will never be the same”, I had a gut feeling there was something “off” about it. It’s just a flu-like disease, why does the world have to change dramatically to cope with it?

Of course, since then it’s become fairly evident to those who want to see that “the new normal” is a carefully crafted psyop-term to get people along with whatever changes are planned. And people are falling for it en masse, like the brilliant “conspiracy theory” concept has effectively shut down all public discourse on certain topics.

The carrot is their belief that they will return to life as it was before the killer virus turned the world upside down. People really believe that will happen.

Until that belief is shattered, the morons will see everyone who does not comply, as a threat to that outcome.

Create the monster, then promise to save them from the monster.

We need to stop being distracted by ‘the virus’ and talk purely about the dystopian things being introduced. Ignore the fictions and focus purely on the things being implemented

There is nothing “normal” about what is going on here, new or not.

“Masks symbolize submission, the giving up of access to oxygen. This entire agenda is not about the virus; it’s about control.”

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243921 ▶▶ BobT, replying to Allen, 11, #67 of 1760 🔗

I share your concerns. But who is driving this? China, big Pharma are clearly taking advantage of the situation, but did they create it and if not who did?

243922 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to BobT, 8, #68 of 1760 🔗

That’s the million dollar question.

243923 ▶▶▶▶ BobT, replying to ColoradoGirl, 34, #69 of 1760 🔗

My view, Its ordinary people who have been given the power of anonymous expression of their innermost fears and amplified them through social media which has reflected on the traditional media and therefore the politicians.

244675 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to ColoradoGirl, 3, #70 of 1760 🔗

No, that’s the multi-billion dollar, trillion dollar question.

243930 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to BobT, 43, #71 of 1760 🔗

Start here:

SARS: Osterhaus, Drosten, Fouchier
H1N1: Osterhaus, Koopmans, Fouchier, Drosten
MERS: Osterhaus, Koopmans, Fouchier, Drosten
SARS-CoV-2: Koopmans, Fouchier, Drosten.

Notice a pattern?

From there you will get right into the WHO and the Gates Foundation and Big Pharma ghouls.

From there you will see the financial parasites that run Repo markets, hedge funds and all manner of private equity firms that prop up Big Pharma (legalized drug lords) and Silicon Valley scum.

Forget China that is a distraction and/or a Western bias you hold.

243957 ▶▶▶▶ Mars-in-Aries, replying to Allen, 4, #72 of 1760 🔗

You pension fund will no doubt invest in them – so they are your companies really…

244632 ▶▶▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Mars-in-Aries, #73 of 1760 🔗

I don’t have a pension- they are not my companies.

243977 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Allen, 1, #74 of 1760 🔗

Sorry, don’t quite understand the names after each virus.

244068 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to stewart, 5, #75 of 1760 🔗
244124 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to stewart, 3, #76 of 1760 🔗

As far as I can make out they are the doctors or maybe companies that discovered the virus? But like you, I had no idea what it was saying when I read the comment and would still like confirmation.

244671 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to LS99, 3, #77 of 1760 🔗

Drosten is responsible for the assay and protocols used for the SARS-COV-2 PCR. He comes up many times in Corona – False Alarm which is a book you should read if you haven’t already.

244690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to leggy, 1, #78 of 1760 🔗

Got the book, will now read. Thank you.

244087 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BobT, 6, #79 of 1760 🔗

The Banks initially. Those at the centre of the dark web. Those people we never see.

244674 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BobT, 6, #80 of 1760 🔗

We did it. All of us. We weren’t vigilant enough for the past twenty years or so and just let things slide.

244804 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BobT, 8, #81 of 1760 🔗

Look no further than Bill Gates and his henchman Klaus Schwab, they are currently the globalist frontmen. Sars-cov-2 coronavirus may not even exist and if it does, it has no more lethality than a seasonal flu. So on that basis we are clearly being mega scammed by our own corrupt governments, which are now pushing the globalist agenda. This became even more became obvious when they started to use the PCR test as their main weapon of fear.

The PCR test cannot diagnose infection and that was the opinion of its inventor Kary Mullis. Is it just a coincidence, that Mullis died in August 2019, just before the corona scam kicked off? Mullis was unafraid of controversy and stuck to his opinions forcefully. Perhaps he was just too big a risk and something had to be done about him.

245668 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Rowan, 1, #82 of 1760 🔗

More like Klaus Schwab and his henchman Bill Gates other than that fully with you!!

243995 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Allen, 37, #83 of 1760 🔗

I had that same gut feeling too – it’s all a bit weird, we haven’t done it before, why this time, there’s something funny going on – the day they locked us up.
I wasn’t a full sceptic then, as some here were, but that feeling never wained.
And the masks is the most horrific outward sign of everything that is going on. The English language doesn’t have a word strong enough for me to express my feelings about them. Maybe we should invent one.
I don’t think I was on board enough at the time they mentioned ‘new normal’, but well before Rishi spoke of ‘permanent change’ and ‘viable jobs’ – that speech really terrified me.

244511 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 4, #84 of 1760 🔗

When people start suggesting he could be the next PM I get the shivers!

245404 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #85 of 1760 🔗

Whatever we do we’ll get a shill. The LabLibCon is busted. Lost all faith in any of ‘em.

244450 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Allen, 12, #86 of 1760 🔗

There are numerous questions raised with tests

  • If covid is a dangerous disease with produces severe symptoms and there is clear evidence you have the disease, why would it be necessary to test people to see if you have it.

Below are the symptoms of bubonic plague. The symptoms are so horrific you wouldn’t need a test to see if someone has it.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=black+death+symptoms&cvid=270b65b86db146caadbebefc65823991&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=HCTS

  • Why is it necessary to rely on unreliable tests to see if people have the disease.
  • Why is it necessary to ask people to be tested in a pandemic.
  • If our country is being ravaged by a deadly and dangerous disease, why is it necessary to include people who tested positive but don’t have a clinical illness in case statistics?
  • If covid is such an infectious disease, why is necessary to rely on intrusive tests to see if someone has the virus. This is from a leaflet on covid

“Why is it necessary with this test for the swab to be inserted all the way to the cribriform plate connected to the brain when according to doctors an in-cheek swab would be sufficient?

Modern science can take a swab from the inside of your mouth and a complete DNA mapping. If Covid 19 is so contagious that tiny microscopic particles of saliva in your mouth and nose could spread out 6 feet and you need to wear a mask, why not swab the inside of of your highly infectious mouth? People have reported that the 6 inch Q-tip test is uncomfortable and often painful.”

244562 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to ianric, 2, #87 of 1760 🔗

Excellent point.

244630 ▶▶▶▶ Amy, replying to ColoradoGirl, 4, #88 of 1760 🔗

I haven’t done any research on this, but I have a deviated septum, and the thought of this nose test makes me feel faint. I would hope they could do a cheek swab test on people like me who have wonky noses.

244672 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Amy, 1, #89 of 1760 🔗

I have the same! The ENT consultant had serious trouble getting his probe up my nose, I’m not sure some partially trained tester could get a swab up there.

244857 ▶▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Amy, 1, #90 of 1760 🔗

They do the cheek swabs.or just dont have a test 😁

245405 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Amy, 1, #91 of 1760 🔗

As a llama, I’ve got ear, nose, throat and ear issues.

245645 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to ianric, 1, #92 of 1760 🔗

Your comments about the intrusive swabbing are spot on. Another submission ritual like masks?

It is absolutely ridiculous to pretend that a truly infectious viral load would need to be chased around the head and then magnified by 30+ cycles in a PCR amplification.

… only if you’re chasing fictions.

245662 ▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to RickH, #93 of 1760 🔗

A major justification for lockdown is that Covid is highly infectious and if lockdowns were not in place, we would be infecting each other. Having to rely on intrusive tests to find a virus destroys this argument.

243909 BobT, replying to BobT, 75, #94 of 1760 🔗

Coronavirus situation in my home, Antigua.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/antigua-and-barbuda/
131 ‘cases’, 3 deaths for the whole year.

We still have the ~ 800 or so deaths per year from every other cause going on as usual.

Locals and tourists have been coming and going from all over the world carrying this deadly virus with them all year except in March / April when all flights to here were cancelled.

Why these low figures?

Is it because we do not have a PCR testing lab here and all tests have to be sent overseas, and its expensive, therefore little testing is carried out?

Conclusion; Little or no testing = no epidemic.

P.S. Thanks Boris for cancelling all our BA flights for the next month or two, Proper kick in the gonads that is!

243911 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to BobT, 4, #95 of 1760 🔗

Are you getting flights from elsewhere? Because if I do have to go back to the U.K. for family reasons and can’t get back into Thailand, I’ll need to go somewhere else sharpish.

243912 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #96 of 1760 🔗

There are still flights from Miami and I think one Virgin flight per week from UK. Its pretty relaxed here once you get through the travel BS.

244095 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BobT, 2, #97 of 1760 🔗

Glad to hear that Antigua did open up again. I was under the impression that you were all still “self” isolated. I guess the cruise ships are still not visiting are they?

245303 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Two-Six, #98 of 1760 🔗

What cruise ships?

245648 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BobT, 1, #99 of 1760 🔗

It will be a mixture of the climate and demography genuinely inhibiting the virus, the (as you say) lack of a PCR scam, and the fact that the virus has f.ed off, anyway.

243910 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 45, #100 of 1760 🔗

Clare Craig tweets “we are in a false positive pseudo epidemic” with graphs showing large numbers of positive test results and almost no deaths. The first reply to this tweet is someone saying “can you explain this simpler please for the thick”

At least a modicum of self-insight. But how thick do you need to be not to understand what she was saying and showing? This is the basic problem, isn’t it? It’s that thing about “think of how dim the average person is then realize that half the population is dimmer than that”.

For “the thick”: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE SECOND WAVE. THE EPIDEMIC IS OVER.

244100 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #101 of 1760 🔗

For “the thick”: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE SECOND WAVE. THE EPIDEMIC IS OVER.
How do you mean?

244179 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #102 of 1760 🔗

Are there published figures for the ratios of hospitalisations and deaths to the number of positive “cases”?

244257 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -19, #103 of 1760 🔗

I don’t think she’s correct here. There is almost certainly an upward trend in cases. If all positive tests were false positives then the ONS would have been recording the same positivity rate in the summer as they are now. The current rate is ~20 times what it was in early July.

Take anything Clare Craig says with a large pinch of salt.

244342 ▶▶▶ Bryan Tookey, replying to Mayo, 11, #104 of 1760 🔗

Dr Clare Craig is a pathologist and has worked in labs. Her blog posts explain how the positivity rate can and does vary. (Basically there are 2 sources of error: the error rate of the test in ideal circumstances which would be close to the July numbers and then the error rate when you have contaminating factors like other viruses, including the common colds that resurface at this time of year), overworked labs, changes in reagents, changes in testing methodology (how cycles does the PCR run for, etc.)

244451 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bryan Tookey, 2, #105 of 1760 🔗

Dr Sebastian Rushworth has explained all this in detail:
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

244462 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Bryan Tookey, #106 of 1760 🔗

But surely all the contaminating factors mentioned, like changes in reagents, were present in July, apart perhaps from ‘other viruses, including the common colds…?’ (there would have been many other viruses present in samples in July, are you suggesting common cold corona viruses present an additional complicating factor at this time of year? And I don’t understand how the latter is a complicating factor, when, as I understand it, the PCR test identifies a strand of DNA unique to SARS Cov2, so if competing viruses could be excluded from consideration in July, why not now?) I remain unclear why anything other than actual prevalence affects the true/false positives rate to any significant extent.

244786 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sylvie, #107 of 1760 🔗

its a sensitive test and needs to be done carefully. a massive expansion and using poorly, newly trained staff working double shifts will reduce the care and increase false +ve. increased prevalence will also increase false +ve frate (due to comtamination)

PHE reckoned false +ve could be up to 4% in the summer. it could be anything now and will vary by shift, lab, lab assistant etc

245039 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Sylvie, #108 of 1760 🔗

I had a thought. The PCR test supposedly detects DNA traces specific to SARS-COV2 – among HUMAN coronaviruses.

How about animal coronaviruses? If there was a piece of DNA also found in animal coronaviruses could this explain the “clusters” in meat processing plants?

245654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to chris c, #109 of 1760 🔗

The hypothesis of its specific accuracy in relation to SARS-CoV-2 has never been established.

245653 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sylvie, #110 of 1760 🔗

surely all the contaminating factors mentioned, like changes in reagents, were present in July”

The shambles of Pillar 2 testing has grown enormously as a proportion of tests, which adds enormously to the inbuilt inaccurate interpretation of a test which was never intended for this purpose.

244447 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mayo, 7, #111 of 1760 🔗

They’re not ”cases”. They are the results of tests mainly on healthy people.
How can those be ”cases”?
Pinch of salt?

244522 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 6, #112 of 1760 🔗

Best to have the salt ready when Mayo posts.

245194 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Mayo, #113 of 1760 🔗

Moya, I’ve missed you. I bet you wear a mask in bed, alone. 🤣

245650 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 1, #114 of 1760 🔗

No, Mayo – the very fact that you are banging on about ‘cases’ tells a tale that requires a barrel of salt.

The real data – all cause deaths and real Covid – shows nothing happening that doesn’t happen every year at the same (or higher) level.

243913 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 5, #115 of 1760 🔗

With the Welsh government having assumed de facto independence and imposed a hard border it is now time to talk about reparations for centuries of oppression.

The billions England already sends to Wales annually is hardly sufficient – mere chickenfeed, as Boris would say.

A fast-tracked EU rejoin application will be welcomed by Brussels and a new flag is ready – the red dragon tastefully surrounded by yellow stars.

The 1536 Treaty of Union between England and Wales can now be safely scrapped as King Henry VIII is dead.

Wales looks forward to a new EU border from the Dee to the Severn and the tight little Third Country being squeezed tighter still and tighter.

243946 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, 13, #116 of 1760 🔗

I would turn the dragon yellow, the Welsh having become a mob of grovelling cowards, and the stars red, in tribute to Dungford and his Politburo.

244024 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 3, #117 of 1760 🔗

And they can officially name the country as the Democratic People’s Republic of Wales.

244105 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #118 of 1760 🔗

Snowdonia is going to be privatised.

244579 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Two-Six, #119 of 1760 🔗

It’s already privately-owned.

244263 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to Stuart, 1, #120 of 1760 🔗

But Wales had a majority in favour of Brexit! Cardiff could rejoin the EU I suppose, That might suit the rest of the country as the Cardiff bubble are not keen on the rural areas.

244513 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cedric the dragon, 1, #121 of 1760 🔗

Big cities never are…look at the USA!

243914 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #122 of 1760 🔗

Useful comparison graphs of infections (note it does not say cases, which is something) in various countries that did and did not do the lockdown thing, but you’d be hard pushed to tell which was which. They achieve nothing except possibly postponements of the single wave. And the detonation of all economic, cultural and social life and the mental and physical health of the population.

The US graph of course appears to have multiple waves because the wave reached the different states at different times.

243926 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #123 of 1760 🔗

Ivor Cummings showed clearly that the US Second Wave was simply the first wave arriving months later in mainly southern States as you say.

244534 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #124 of 1760 🔗

Do fragments of dead RNA denote an active infection?
The propagandists disempower us with semantics!

I think starting to use +s is more helpful. Breaks the habitual mindset created by the media too.
Same with those sceptical journos who inadvertently collude by unthinkingly referring to the “pandemic.”

245655 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #125 of 1760 🔗

Thing is, their not ‘infections’, either – that requires a viable, infective virus.

243915 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #126 of 1760 🔗

These, finally, are the figures I have wanted to see published and PUBLICIZED.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/jpmorgan-finds-no-benefits-covid-lockdowns

243916 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #127 of 1760 🔗

Mortality comparison

243950 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #128 of 1760 🔗

All these tables look very impressive, but as there is no guarantee that different countries are applying the same criteria, or that any of them are telling the truth, the figures are effectively meaningless.

244238 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to annie, -3, #129 of 1760 🔗

I’m not sure that would invalidate the overall conclusion.

244307 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mayo, 3, #130 of 1760 🔗

I am quite sure that it would invalidate the overall conclusion.

243935 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #131 of 1760 🔗

There’s a small problem with how they have presented those figures, NN.

I don’t know about the other countries listed, but that 33,923,171 ‘Tested’ figure for the UK isn’t individual people, it’s number of tests . PHE says on the GOV.uk page, “Number of confirmed positive, negative or void COVID-19 test results, by test type. This is a count of test results and may include multiple tests for an individual person.

The ‘Confirmed’ number is people: from PHE: “Number of people with at least one positive COVID-19 test result (either lab-reported or lateral flow device), by specimen date, by nation. Individuals tested positive more than once are only counted once, on the date of their first positive test.”

Because of that, it’s also a bit misleading to suggest that that means 50.8% of the UK has been tested; that’s not true either. A lot of those 33 million tests are people being tested multiple times, e.g. health and care workers.

243939 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #132 of 1760 🔗

Meant to add: The swab up the nose and the swab down your throat, on each person, are counted as two tests, not one.

243943 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 2, #133 of 1760 🔗

I thought that 50% figure was surprising. There’s no accounting (literally) for the lunacies of British public health.

243945 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 4, #134 of 1760 🔗

That sleight of hand would suggest that Every number quoted for tests should in reality be halved ?

243965 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 2, #135 of 1760 🔗

Does that mean the spivs get paid twice per person?

243968 ▶▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Ceriain, 1, #136 of 1760 🔗

I don’t think this is correct, at least for tier 2 testing it is the same swab which goes up the nose/back of throat.

I’d have to clarify this for tier 1 tests thou.

244540 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Henry, 1, #137 of 1760 🔗

Really??
What kind of medical procedure requires you to use the same swab for your nose, with all its trapped pathogens and then wipe them onto your throat?!

244576 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cheezilla, #138 of 1760 🔗

Not quite, it’s throat first, then nose. Nearly as disgusting, mind.

244813 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Henry, 2, #139 of 1760 🔗

You’re correct, Henry; my mistake.

I checked with an NHS contact who works with the team doing the testing in UCLH; London.

One swab; throat first, then nose.

Sorry for the confusion, all.

PS. The bit about multiple testing is correct, though. Hospital and care home staff (docs, nurses, carers, etc) can be tested over and over. Patients can also get tested multiple times during their stay. The 33 million figure includes people tested multiple times.

245658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, #140 of 1760 🔗

Looks like no standardisation, then

245656 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Henry, #141 of 1760 🔗

It’s separate swabs in hospitals.

244028 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ceriain, 1, #142 of 1760 🔗

Is that 100% correct ? One person. Two swipes = 2 cases ?

244815 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Leemc23, #143 of 1760 🔗

No, it’s not correct, Lee; my mistake. See my reply to Henry, above.

243919 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 21, #144 of 1760 🔗

So What will be and who will deliver our ‘Princess Diana shakes hands with an AIDS sufferer’ moment for the MSM? And will it work to turn the tide with the public?

Out today seeing the demented mask wearers, instead of my usual inner scream (mask less) I just pictured the scene in Toy Story where Buzz Lightyear’s visor retracts and he launches into dramatic ‘last breath’ gasps expecting immediate death (that he’d been programmed to believe)……..then looks up rather foolishly when he realises Woody had been right all along and I he was fine.

243929 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #145 of 1760 🔗

Wasn’t that what bozo was trying to achieve by shaking hands with covids before supposedly catching it himself?

243934 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to karenovirus, 12, #146 of 1760 🔗

Aha, the ‘Boris has Covid’ story……..a nice little cover for Carrie booking him in for the ‘snip’.

243960 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #147 of 1760 🔗

Previous Mrs would have been delighted to issue the two brick clap to his nether regions

243975 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 6, #148 of 1760 🔗

At the hospital that had no patients with COVID at the time?

243924 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 19, #149 of 1760 🔗

By way of local confirmation for Toby’s second item
Local news (not Local Live)

Headline “More Covid cases in County hospitals than ever”

Before the usual ramblings about Second Wave overwhelming the NHS but saved by lockdown 2 the accompanying graphic reveals.

1. Number of open (?) beds 2,800

2. Number of beds occupied by Covid cases 220.

3. Covid cases in ITU 12.

4. Inpatients diagnosed with Covid past 24 hours 10

5. New admissions with Covid past 24 hours 8.

So less than 10% of beds occupied by covids of which 5% seriously ill.
Strangely the lengthy report says nothing about discharges or indeed Deaths.

My belief is that they expect readers to skim the headline, be scared off by the graphic and then move onto the latest news about Meghan or Strictly.

243948 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 8, #150 of 1760 🔗

Zombies are addicted to fear, and it’s in the Fascists’ interests to ensure that the addiction is lavishly fed. Otherwise, the zombies might start getting withdrawal symptoms, such as glimmers of common sense.

244544 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #151 of 1760 🔗

Unfortunately, the bulk of their readership no doubt lives up (down?) to their expectations.

243925 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 14, #152 of 1760 🔗

http://www.contrarianprize.com/news.html

I’ve nominated Professor Gupta for the next contrarian award.

Secondly, here in The Progressive Republik of Saor Alba, masks are now worn everywhere, increasingly seen in the open air and in cars and gagging small children.

What a thoroughly dismal, divisive and rancorous place this now is, as we anticipate many more months of pointless, mind numbing isolation, paranoia, deprivation and virtuous compliance ,all the while listening to the shrill effusions issuing from Holyrood.

Demand more dosh while denouncing the English and spinning the SNP mantra.

The zealots are unmoved by the rising impoverishment, unemployment, economic fallout and despair: why? Well, they’re financially secure.

’I’m alright Jack’ hides behind the sturdy support for lockdown, lockdown, and whipped up loathing of The Donald and his supporters provides a convenient safety valve:( I encountered the full unabridged version yesterday, while conversing with an acquaintance in local supermarket).

243927 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 11, #153 of 1760 🔗

Happily around here muzzling in the open has fallen below 50%, virtually none at the school gates, none at all near The (6th form) College where there is no social distancing either.
I drove through the University campus yesterday, there were relatively few students wandering about but hardly any had masks apart from the Chinese but they wore them before Covid was a thing.

243931 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 5, #154 of 1760 🔗

Lucky you! Signs of common sense in your area.

244550 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, 2, #155 of 1760 🔗

Let’s hope it’s highly contagious!

244034 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to wendyk, 21, #156 of 1760 🔗

I seen a wee girl (must have been about 4 years old) muzzled up with a face mask by the Portland St suspension bridge yesterday when I was jogging past. Such a disgusting sight. Her daft mother was knelt in front of her, aggressively scolding her in the street for some misdeed – with a mask on too. Poor wee lassie looked utterly miserable. I wanted to tip the mother straight into the Clyde.

Maybe we should start haranguing these child-abusers about the harm they’re doing to their kids in the same sanctimonious meddling way the mask-lovers like to dish out to us?

244038 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to GorbalsGirl, 18, #157 of 1760 🔗

I really hate seeing little kids in masks; it’s one of the very worst aspects of this lunacy.

244167 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 10, #158 of 1760 🔗

Especially when it has never been recommended for anyone to wear masks outdoors, least of all children.

244644 ▶▶▶▶ Amy, replying to wendyk, 5, #159 of 1760 🔗

Oh, gosh, I saw a little boy in a restaurant the other day wearing a mask and it nearly brought me to tears. He looked both confused and brave. I feel so sorry for these kids, who knows what it will do to their mental health in the future.

244648 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Amy, 3, #160 of 1760 🔗

I keep making this point,but it seems to fall on deaf ears.

What will happen to children’s development if this craziness continues ad nauseam?

245217 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to wendyk, 1, #161 of 1760 🔗

Us too. It’s like the same blank stare when you mention the care home deaths. MW

244064 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GorbalsGirl, 22, #162 of 1760 🔗

That’s really bad but I’ve seen worse:

London Underground – little girl around 4-5 years old, muzzled but clearly hating it and tugging it on one hand in order to breathe I suppose while other hand was tugging at dad’s sleeve in order to get his attention.

So what does dad do? Remove kid’s muzzle? Talk to kid? Oh no, no. He shoves a mobile phone on the kid’s hand and tells her to keep quiet.

I was so furious at that double child abuse that I wanted to beat the dad up and throw him out of the carriage on the next stop.

244250 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #163 of 1760 🔗

Not one trace of Covid has ever been found on London Underground. What’s the point of the masks ?

244360 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Leemc23, 2, #164 of 1760 🔗

You’re guess is as good as mine. TFL is just sprouting the usual propaganda and lies.

244552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #165 of 1760 🔗

Kerrrrchinggggg!

244525 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #166 of 1760 🔗

Wish you had…he sounds like he deserved it. Its so hard to hold it together these days!

244599 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #167 of 1760 🔗

I will have a degree of schadenfreude when dad wonders what went wrong when kid grows up and develops a multitude of physical and psychological ailments.

245410 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bart Simpson, #168 of 1760 🔗

Bart, this makes me angry. What the f have we become as a society?

244163 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to GorbalsGirl, 4, #169 of 1760 🔗

We can’t get to these people through any kind of media; one way would be by way of handbills, stickers and leaflets. I wonder if there is an artist or cartoonist who would be willing to illustrate how a mask user breathes in mask fibres combined with many of the bacteria, yeasts, fungi that they have just exhaled and becomes affected by oxygen deficiency and excess CO2. Scare tactics to counter the official narrative.

243932 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #170 of 1760 🔗

Toby’s piece on hate speech coming to England.

Two simultaneous phone calls to his local Police station

1. ‘Freddie called me a fat spaz’
2. ‘She called me a smelly gay’

Kerrrrching for the lawyers, paid for by Toby.

243937 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 8, #171 of 1760 🔗

If had a penny for every time I was called a puff at school (and Sunday school), I would have about twenty quid. Talk about being born too soon.

243933 wendyk, 12, #172 of 1760 🔗

From the Grand Master of agitprop:

“Trust is good, control is better.”

“It is true that liberty is precious — so precious that it must be rationed.”
Vladimir Lenin

243936 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 8, #173 of 1760 🔗

My evidence to the Digital, Cuture, Media and Sport Committee FAKE NEWS Inquiry warned that we were headed towards an East German/Stasi type situation with bureaucracies deciding what is true:

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/fake-news/written/73097.html

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/fake-news/written/76219.html

Of course, Matt Hancock was DCMS Secretary in those days.

243953 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Stone, 3, #174 of 1760 🔗

I can confirm the limited number of titles available in East European bookshops.
In L’viv (Lemburg) one was piled high with the collected speeches of Leonid Breshniev going cheap since he was dead. I thought its colourful cover might look good on my but I don’t know what he said because it’s in Russian and cyrillic.

243958 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #175 of 1760 🔗

On my shelves 😕

243938 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 11, #176 of 1760 🔗

I know NickR did a nice little graph, or two, yesterday re. The Great Admissions Scam . Thanks Nick.

I’m away at the moment and I only managed to get a brief look at the new NHS monthly report that came out yesterday:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/Covid-Publication-12-11-2020_v4-CB.xlsx

I’ve noticed that they are still pulling the same scam that I mentioned back on 14th October:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272

Yes, they are still adding people going into hospital with Covid symptoms, (who have had a positive test already), to those patients who are already in hospital and test positive for covid, whether they have symptoms, or not , or whether they are being treated for covid, or not…

…and calling them all New Admissions!

This is the number shown daily on the Healthcare page at: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare It’s also the number the MSM and the Government are using to try to scare people into thinking the NHS is being overrun.

Toby’s doctor friend covered it here on October 15, after seeing my post:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid

He says:

So, in summary, the headline figure broadcast of ‘ patients admitted with Covid ’ includes:

– Patients who really are ill with Covid and need treatment

– Patients who test positive but have no symptoms and are in hospital for an unrelated issue

– Patients who arrived without Covid, but contracted it in hospital and may never have developed symptoms either

Unfortunately, we can’t be told what percentage of the reported ‘admissions with Covid’ actually have symptoms of the disease and other confirmatory tests (characteristic Chest X-ray signs, lowered arterial oxygen on blood gas analysis, raised inflammatory markers, high temperature, etc). These are the true ‘Covid positive’ patients.

It is not clear to me why we can’t be told this information, but one can be sure that the headline figure reported on the BBC of daily admissions with Covid is almost certainly higher than the number of patients admitted with symptoms of Covid for active treatment and possibly very much higher.

Bunch of scam merchants!

Please send the links above, and NickR’s excellent graphs to your MPs. We need to keep outing this scam.

Thanks; be back on Monday. 🙂

243942 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to Ceriain, 5, #177 of 1760 🔗

Without DNA sequencing you cannot really tell whether a respiratory case is Covid so likely in most cases they still don’t know.

243954 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to John Stone, 5, #178 of 1760 🔗

And this is the crux: they never did.

If we take Clare Craig’s idea and test people with the new test it may bring numbers down. But the issue is that uniquely identifying Covid was never done. Either through assumptions being made or lack of time and resources to eliminate other respiratory diseases.

Looking at respiratory diseases over the year you may think that’s due to a virus. But it can also be due to neglect and changes in care as those patients are mostly elderly who tend to get these things in a manner of ways.

This has been a mania from the start. And yet still we aren’t cutting this nonsense out

244083 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to John Stone, 5, #179 of 1760 🔗

Old people dying of respiratory disease will have a range of pathogens in their lungs. Only a major autopsy would have any chane of establishing and kind of hierarchy of causality in individual cases, and even then it’s doubtful. Excess deaths and in particular excess respiratory deaths are our best guide. Clearly in the Spring Covid was having a major impact.

243972 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 2, #180 of 1760 🔗

False accounting!

243940 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #181 of 1760 🔗

I wonder if Dom’s resignation will mean that the PM will change course on Covid and go back to his liberal ways. Maybe he will start questioning Witless a bit more too.

Let’s hope for the best.

243947 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #182 of 1760 🔗

So far as I can see this ‘news’ about Dom’s resignation stems solely from a tweet by one Alex Whickam retweeting
Laura Kuenssberg in which she quotes Dom

“my position hasn’t changed since my January blog”

and she concludes
“when he planned to make himself ‘redundant’ by the end of 2020-he’s off”

Hardly news but the press is all over it.

244081 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to karenovirus, 2, #183 of 1760 🔗

Is it news or speculation? After all, the Express stated at the start of this month that Lizzie will abdicate next year but multiple news sources reported yesterday that there will be an extra bank holiday in 2022 to mark her 70th anniversary.

244177 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #184 of 1760 🔗

Laura was a lead item on this mornings R4 8am news. At no point did she offer anything more substantial than in my post.

243962 ▶▶ Will, replying to Censored Dog, 9, #185 of 1760 🔗

It might not be popular with people on here, and I won’t be getting into a row about the rights and wrongs, but as a countryman I really wouldn’t get your hopes up about Symonds. She does not have the vaguest notion of a grasp of science so I expect more lockdowns rather than fewer.

243971 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Will, 2, #186 of 1760 🔗

I tend to agree.

243990 ▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Will, 3, #187 of 1760 🔗

I doubt Symonds will be forcing Boris into lockdowns. It was Cummings that had the main authority behind it.

244033 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Will, 14, #188 of 1760 🔗

for a brief moment I attempted to consider whom I despise the most. Then I stopped myself from such a draining thought process. DePiffle, symonds, Cummings …the quad…they’re all despicable. It reminded me of when I was a kid, and we used to try and work out which Nazis were the most evil in descending order. It’s a game that can go on for a long time unless you check yourself; and you feel sick by the end of it.

244607 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to Censored Dog, 6, #189 of 1760 🔗

I fear the PM has come himself to love Big Brother (Big Brother being nebulous and beyond the human). Moreover, within a few weeks of entering No 10 having pledged to defend free speech he was engaged with the attempt to suppress discussion of vaccine safety, using ad hominem rhetoric against “antivaxxers”, but apart from the fact that he he was and is using disgraceful hate language it was fundamentally an attempt to stop people talking about a subject altogether. Most people probably at the time didn’t think it was any big deal, but apart from the language sounding slightly cracked it has come to mean in not many months a hell of a big deal in terms of the future of democracy and the openness of society. Something is going to be done to us which we are ever increasingly not allowed to talk about. And if you are not allowed to talk about something in terms the history of human institutions the reasons can only be bad. It was in fact Seth Berkley, CEO of the Global Vaccine Alliance (ie an industrial group) who in 2017 first proposed in Spectator on-line that “antivaxxers” should be banned from social media – this just means whether people are ideologically opposed to vaccines or not they are simply not allowed in effect to talk about the safety and effectiveness of products being injected willy-nilly into citizens. Another feature of the extraordinary story is that since 2011 (originally arranged between David Cameron and Bill Gates) the British government has been pouring billions of pounds into GAVI, as if the British tax-payer owed the pharmaceutical industry money. I believe this is actually corruption.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4078904/amp/The-fattest-charity-fat-cat-Foreign-aid-boss-MILLIONS-1-5billion-handed-charity-British-taxpayers.html

Some will also recall Johnson’s grovelling performance hosting the GAVI summit in June. Of course, GAVI is just one of the global front organisations involved in this saga. Johnson is hopeless and useless because he could never understand why any of this is wrong.

In a rational universe we would just talk about vaccines as industrial products with advantages and shortcomings and you would not have labelled as a bad person if you did it. Instead, they have been promoted to the status of state and global religion and we really have to look at the credentials of the people engaged in this game before we take it at face value.

243955 Mars-in-Aries, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 15, #190 of 1760 🔗

According to Worldometer, deaths due to Covid have been above 500 a day for three days now. And still it seems that acute respiratory infections are well below the average for this time of year.

Either there is something funny going on with someone’s data, or there never really was a Coronavirus crisis…?

243959 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 21, #191 of 1760 🔗

As it happens i was just looking at causes of deaths as it often seems to me that mithering on about precisely why an elderly person dies is not helpful, why can we not just put old age as the cause of deaths?
It turns out you can, these days it is not encouraged as for some strange reason most people seem to want to know a precise reason. But you can put old age as a cause of death, if the death is under 80 this is then referred to the coroner, but over 80 it is an accepted cause of death without further question. If all the over 80 ‘covid’ deaths had simply been put down as old age, you wonder what effect that might have had on the covid deaths statistics?

There were a load of reasons put on my Mum’s death certificate but if anyone asks me i say she died of being 90, I really do not need any other reason.

243974 ▶▶▶ Mars-in-Aries, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #192 of 1760 🔗

I suspect you are right, that Covid is being put on the death certificate in the necessity to put something specific, and because it is fashionable these days.

Back in March/April, the death rate really was over the average for the time of year and the Covid death rate only breached 1000 on nine day. Yet now, the death rate – from acute respiratory diseases in particular – is actually below the seasonal average.

244091 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #193 of 1760 🔗

My friends mum (99) went into hospital because she fell. She already had a bad knee and twisted both ankles in the process. Since admission she has had every test possible although not sure if they have looked at her ankles. They have found out that she has an old heart and some old lungs….what a surprise. I’m sure she will have Covid soon.

245375 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Steve Martindale, #194 of 1760 🔗

This discouragement of ‘old age’ as cause of death on a cert started after the Shipman case.

243967 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 29, #195 of 1760 🔗

I know a guy who, so I’ve been told, has the Covid. He has all the symptoms, struggling to get out of bed. Plot-twist: he’s tested NEGATIVE for Covid, but his GP has told him he has it, based on symptoms.

This time last year his GP would have told him he had the ‘flu. Which is what he clearly has. But in 2020, even without a test, any respiratory illness is automatically Covid.

244191 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 1, #196 of 1760 🔗

A medic told me early in lockdown 1 that this is known as Clinical Covid, got some of the symptoms but test negative-, not uncommon apparently.

244653 ▶▶▶ Amy, replying to Mark H, 5, #197 of 1760 🔗

I was desperately sick last December (it lasted for three month, wheezing and coughing, fever and deep exhaustion) and my GP said it was “unspecified respiratory illness” and gave me an inhaler and a Z-pack. I went home knowing that eventually I would heal.

I cringe to think about what protocol they’d put me through now. Probably in a hospital away from my family.

243956 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 18, #198 of 1760 🔗

“Lifetime ban for Warrington MP”. Congratulations to Pubwatch. That’s the way to signal disapproval. Maybe the restaurant and independent shop owners in our towns and cities should follow suit. Might make some of these lazy and self satisfied MPs take more notice of the damage they are causing to businesses in their local areas.

243970 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nicky, 29, #199 of 1760 🔗

Funny you should mention this. When I woke in the early hours, I was thinking what acid remark I could put on my blackboard this morning (apparently, previous sarky comments have been the talk of … Waitrose – oooh …). Anyway, I was thinking something along the lines of:

“Beware, snitches are in operation here” or
“All agents of the state – with the exception of the principled MPs who voted against the Lockdown II lunacy – are barred for all eternity”

244077 ▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to kh1485, 4, #200 of 1760 🔗

Go for it kh1485. We are behind you all the way. Include their families as well, if you can afford the hit!

243961 Graham Strouts, replying to Graham Strouts, 11, #201 of 1760 🔗

Since March 2020, the form of rule that has been systematically unfolding since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989/1990 has been fully in evidence: A transnationally operating oligarchic caste has taken over rule in the Western “democracies”.
The mass base of “traditional” fascism was the enthusiastic petty bourgeoisie, incited by propaganda (1). The leader (state) promised the masses salvation from all evils. The leader carried the masses, the masses carried the leader (state) and the latter led them into war and ruin in the interest of (monopoly) capital.
In the course of recent decades, a transnational, well-connected caste has emerged, which no longer conducts its wars only outwardly, but has recognized civil societies as a whole as a threat to its power. Since March 2020, the centers of power have expanded their wars inwards in the name of the corona infection regime.
By transnational “elite” fascism I mean an alliance of transnational capitalist class, transnational power elite (2) with the transnational digital, military, intelligence, science and media complex and the governments as their executive committees. I refer to this conglomerate as the parasites of civil societies, which serve as their “host” bodies.
Their new means of rule is a health dictatorship based on infection regimes that can be activated at any time. Today Covid-19, tomorrow rhinoviruses, the day after tomorrow perhaps malaria or a “biological warfare” attack.

https://winteroak.org.uk/2020/11/12/elite-transnational-fascism/

244198 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Graham Strouts, 2, #202 of 1760 🔗

As H.G. Wells, C.S. Lewis, Orwell and others warned us.

243963 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 26, #203 of 1760 🔗

A quick story of how I escaped Sturgeon’s northern gulag into the wasteland formerly known as England.

I got in my car, filled up with fuel and drove south on the M74.

The end.

To expand on this, I’m currently sitting in a deserted hotel somewhere near the M25. Quite how this hotel is “allowed” to be open isn’t clear to me, but it is. And it feels like I’m the only one staying in it. The bar and restaurant are closed, but I was able to order a pizza and a small tub of vegan salted caramel ice cream and a Diet Pepsi (we don’t have Diet Coke, will Diet Pepsi be ok?) to my room.

The journey was entirely uneventful. I stopped off at two service stations on the drive here, entered and used their facilities without putting a mask on. I entertained myself by listening to Triggernometry. And I didn’t encounter heavy traffic at any point.

I counted 3 police vehicles on the roads, which works out at about 1 police vehicle per 115 miles. No roadblocks. No being pulled over based on my Scottish number plate and no demands to provide my papers (I had considered asking my client to provide me with a headed letter of invitation to visit their premises as proof that my journey was “essential”).

244110 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Mark H, 5, #204 of 1760 🔗

Don’t believe all the scare stories about England. We are not that bad.

244223 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #205 of 1760 🔗

In my neck of the wood, all traffic normal, actually the A143 yesterday very busy. Besides the closure of our lovely pubs and independent shops, no lockdown apparent.

243964 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #206 of 1760 🔗

Dear Seceptice 6:56am

Write your MP a short sweet email.

“If you continue to vote through jobs destroying lockdown I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU OR YOUR PARTY AGAIN”

https://www.writetothem.com/

(Don’t try and persuade them with facts. The only facts the care about tis THEIR jobs)

Keep writing – it’s free – don’t worry if you don’t get a reply)

243984 ▶▶ steph, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #207 of 1760 🔗

I’ve already done that. I’m not sure what is the point of repeating it as she did and now I won’t.

243973 Simon Cook, replying to Simon Cook, 7, #208 of 1760 🔗

Good morning everyone

I was wondering did anyone else see the 1000 lucky fans allowed into Windsor Park for last nights match with Slovakia?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8943693/1-000-fans-disinfection-pods-allowed-watch-Northern-Ireland-play-football.html

https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1326964911889653762

This is the website of the company who supplied the pod – https://www.4urprotection.com https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/NI672021-4-ur-protection-ltd – setup just a couple of months ago.

One of the 2 owners Michael Lamont runs Lamont Cleaning & Support Services – which looks like a standard cleaning company.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/business/casestudy/lamont-cleaning.htm

One one hand, you can’t but applaud 2 savvy businessmen seeing a gap in the market (I’m sure Alan Sugar would be proud!), but honestly doesn’t it just sum up the lunacy that is 2020, and that people actually went through the thing – not even stopping to ask what might be being sprayed at them.

Best regards

Simon

244806 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Simon Cook, #209 of 1760 🔗

How long did it take to get the crowds into the grounds?
Isn’t covid supposed to be an airborne infection, hence the “need” for masks?
Nuts!

243976 stewart, replying to stewart, 66, #210 of 1760 🔗

One of the mad behaviours that Covid seems to trigger is the compulsion to voluntarily take a PCR test.

The only possible outcomes are (a) “negative” i.e. nothing or (b) “positive” and you disrupt your life and the life of those around you who you have to “turn in” for having been near you.

You don’t get anything out of it. No extra medical care, no free medicine, nothing. At best you get nothing, at worst forced isolation and potential forced isolation for those you’ve been around.

Covid is primarily a mental disorder.

244006 ▶▶ steph, replying to stewart, 2, #211 of 1760 🔗

So well put

244025 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to stewart, 10, #212 of 1760 🔗

Increasing evidence of that, mass hysteria.

244047 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to stewart, 11, #213 of 1760 🔗

These volunteers are wittingly or unwittingly a huge part of the problem. Without any volunteers, it’d be much harder for the ‘power’ to compel testing at the same scale. Casedemic would fall away, and the fascistic measures would be considerably harder to ‘justify’ in the eyes of the population. The ‘power’ would then be forced to switch again; they would talk about ‘inferred cases’ or ‘calculated cases’ or some other BS to fuel the casedemic.

244048 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stewart, 7, #214 of 1760 🔗

But you can congratulate yourself for not killing someone’s granny and helping the NHS not to be overwhelmed. Who doesn’t want to be a hero?

244172 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to stewart, 8, #215 of 1760 🔗

Apparently my little Northumberland town is to be subjected to ‘mass testing’; welcomed by our utterly useless MP, Opperman. We already have so many people testing positive in Northumberland that it will soon be a higher figure than the actual population. What is the purpose of these tests, other than to provide evidence for most house arrests? And what will happen if someone knocks on my door and I politely say, ‘No thank you’?

243978 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #216 of 1760 🔗

I kept telling people Carrie had power.. works for a Rockerfeller eco organisation..

Terrifying. A silent green marxist Davos coup.

243983 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to chaos, 6, #217 of 1760 🔗

I sometimes wonder if we’re witnessing what’s similar to the last days of Tsarist Russia:

Johnson = Nicholas II
Carrie = Alexandra Feodorovna
Cummings = Rasputin

243992 ▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #218 of 1760 🔗

Where is our Lenin, then?

243994 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Censored Dog, 1, #219 of 1760 🔗

Keir Starmer might fancy himself as one but he ain’t.

243996 ▶▶▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #220 of 1760 🔗

Starmer is our Kerensky. He’s fully complicit

243997 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Censored Dog, 4, #221 of 1760 🔗

And even wants worse – lockdown on par with France, Spain, etc#

244217 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Censored Dog, 3, #222 of 1760 🔗

No idea, but our Stalin is probably currently a footsoldier in the ranks of ideologically motivated thugs like BLM/XR/antifa, working his way up and waiting for the idealists to clear the way for him.

244824 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Censored Dog, #223 of 1760 🔗

Biden to send Obama as US ambassador?

244016 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #224 of 1760 🔗

Let’s hope not. 8 months of Soviet style government and centrally planned economy society is more than enough for me. If there is 70 years of this madness ahead of us I may just decide to migrate to an isolated frozen tundra myself before they send there…

244075 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 8, #225 of 1760 🔗

Agree but we’re already in the totalitarian stage. That’s why we need to push back before its too late.

244032 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #226 of 1760 🔗

I’ve just started reading ‘The Race To Save The Romanovs’ by Helen Rappaport; fascinating.

244074 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 2, #227 of 1760 🔗

I’ve read that too and would recommend it.

Plus Rappaport’s Four Sisters is worth a read too.

244101 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #228 of 1760 🔗

I’ve just finished it; before that I read her ‘Caught In The Revolution’. She’s a wonderful writer and essential for all Russian history fans.

244364 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 1, #229 of 1760 🔗

Agree. She’s also written an excellent book on Queen Victoria in the aftermath of Prince Albert’s death – Magnificent Obsession

244202 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to wendyk, 4, #230 of 1760 🔗

Many thanks for the recommendation, will add it to my ‘to read’ list. I’ve recently read Stephen Kotkin’s first two volumes of his trilogy on Stalin. He certainly was a tyrant in a league of his own. Russian history is fascinating for sure.

244420 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #231 of 1760 🔗

I’ll add your Kotkin books to my ever growing Russia list. Thank you.

244020 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to chaos, 1, #232 of 1760 🔗

A black joke indeed. (See origin of name of HMS Black Joke most successful ship of West Africa Squadron)

244149 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to chaos, #233 of 1760 🔗

When you get vetted for the highest security clearance they look at how you may be bribed or influenced by family. Something amiss here if the person with high clearance is being influenced.

244176 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to mhcp, #234 of 1760 🔗

Maybe that’s why he hasn’t married her. She doesn’t count as ‘family’.

244212 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 2, #235 of 1760 🔗

Soylent Green marxist Davos coup.

244589 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, #236 of 1760 🔗

A silent green marxist Davos coup.

The capitalists are all Marxists and environmentalists. I didn’t know that.

244811 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, #237 of 1760 🔗

I think it should read “green”.

243979 Basileus, 8, #238 of 1760 🔗

This the the latest from The Bernician. Sceptical sceptics make of it what you will, but time will tell.

COVID-1984 UPDATE |12-11-20COVID-1984 PCP UPDATE | Here is a useful evidence bundle relating to the case brought against Wancock. Also a few more bits of info

Following on from the 11th day of the 11th month at 11:11:11, by direct email to the address which is solely for laying papers electronically at the magistrates court in question.
When the papers are received, an automatic acknowledgement is generated and from that moment the information is considered duly laid.

Because it is an indictable offence, it will be transferred immediately to the crown court, where a judge will be instructed to issue a warrant for Wankock’s arrest, to prevent him committing any further crimes.
If they refuse to issue the warrant, they still have no choice but to issue the summons, ordering him to appear in court to plead innocent or guilty.

This has been submitted under the Peoples Union of Britain PUB

243981 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 27, #239 of 1760 🔗

Soooooo someone called the Police in our village because they’d seen someone in the beer garden of the local pub. It’s a small village and only a few people would be stupid enough to do this.

The police turned up and asked the landlord and landlady what was going on. The pub has B and B rooms out the back and it was the guests (there for work at a local science park) who were the seen and reported.

I don’t know whats more worrying, the police state we’re entering into or the compliance of the health Stasi who don’t research a fucking thing and think they have the right to sneer down at us who actually take the time to research whats happening and subsequently think its all a load of bollocks.
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

243989 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 23, #240 of 1760 🔗

A few people like Brendan O’Neill and David Kuerten have called out on what the former has called “selective policing” with the likes of BLM and XR getting a free pass while anti-lockdown protesters are given short shrift.

Also it makes you wonder why the police are constantly bleating about cuts and poverty when they have the resources to turn up in order to attempt to shut down a gym but are nowhere to be seen when someone is being robbed, assaulted or a victim of grooming gangs. The next time they cry poverty and cuts, they should not be believed and told in no uncertain terms that they ain’t getting more taxpayer cash.

243999 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 26, #241 of 1760 🔗

So agree. I have been subjected several times to ‘visits’ and all because some bastard went snivelling to the authorities. The latest threats came because they had been supplied with “photographic evidence”. There are some truly vile people out there.

244049 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 16, #242 of 1760 🔗

The people who snitch are the lowest of the low. They should read up on what happened to their counterparts in France after WW2 and Germany following reunification.

Their day of reckoning will come.

Stay strong and you’ll get through this.

244731 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #243 of 1760 🔗

I’ll buy some hairclippers and happily volunteer to get shearing!

245670 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, #244 of 1760 🔗

They were hung from the lamposts in Hungary in 1956 before the Soviet tanks rolled in.

244005 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #245 of 1760 🔗

It’s mental. You could compare lockdown sceptics to black people being stopped and searched in London. This country is getting more fucked up by the day! Might edit the next podcast offering to calm down!

244051 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 6, #246 of 1760 🔗

Agree. The police find it easy to go after low hanging fruit and call it work but don’t seem to want to do real work which is to solve REAL crimes not pretend ones or as Lord Sumption says “ministers’ preference”

They will rue the day they alienated the Great British Public. It will come.

244090 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #247 of 1760 🔗

Not really because young black men commit a disproportionate amount of crime.
The situation is more akin to a totalitarian state where people are persecuted for not following government policy.

244144 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #248 of 1760 🔗

Try being a Catholic during the Troubles. Don’t know how many times I was stopped and questioned by police and army for just going about mu business. The UK has form but sad to see it on the mainland.

244242 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to mhcp, 1, #249 of 1760 🔗

About 1% of what happened in NI has ever been reported in the main stream media on the mainland.

244797 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #250 of 1760 🔗

you should have rung the police after and report a suspected burglary and see how fast they respond to that

243986 helen, 2, #251 of 1760 🔗

This link was posted earlier in a rely.. Posting again… this very interesting thesis

We are reposting here this important article by Ullrich Mies from the German-language Rubikon site, in the form of a “raw” translation via Alison Blunt and deepl.com

Since March 2020, the form of rule that has been systematically unfolding since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989/1990 has been fully in evidence:

A transnationally operating oligarchic caste has taken over rule in the Western “democracies”.

https://winteroak.org.uk/2020/11/12/elite-transnational-fascism/

243987 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 72, #252 of 1760 🔗

“We should calm down not lockdown”

My 8 year old daughter. Nov 13th 2020

Maybe we should put her in charge?

243998 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 21, #253 of 1760 🔗

I will vote for your daughter in to go into government alongside the following:

Sir Desmond Swayne
Lord Sumption
Sir Iain Duncan Smith
Carl Heneghan
Michael Yeadon
Sunetra Gupta
Karol Sikora

anyone else I’ve missed?

244000 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #254 of 1760 🔗

Richard Drax, Graham Brady, Clare Craig.

244014 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #255 of 1760 🔗

All great names!!!

244076 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Now More Than Ever, -16, #256 of 1760 🔗

Most of Clare Craig’s claims are nonsense. There are too many like her who are damaging the credibility of the sceptic ‘movement’.

245671 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mayo, #257 of 1760 🔗

Unlike you of course!

244001 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #258 of 1760 🔗

Peter Hitchens.

244002 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #259 of 1760 🔗

Charles Walker
Neil Oliver

244666 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to CGL, 6, #260 of 1760 🔗

Ivor Cummins

245305 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to David Grimbleby, 2, #261 of 1760 🔗

He’s Irish, but that’s still a yes.

244902 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 2, #262 of 1760 🔗

Charles Walker thinks the vaccine will save us all!

244946 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #263 of 1760 🔗

Only saw that afterwards – a bit horrified by that after his amazing speech last week. What dark shadows was he talking about if not these ones??

245306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CGL, 2, #264 of 1760 🔗

It looks like someone from out of those dark shadows has had a firm word with Charlie Boy.

244012 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #265 of 1760 🔗

Wolfgang Wodarg, ex MEP and respiratory diseases medical director who, along with Sucharit Bhakdi, called this correctly back in March.

244044 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #266 of 1760 🔗

Esther McVey

244056 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #267 of 1760 🔗

If we add some non UK nationals:
Ivor Cummins
Reiner Fuellmich

245313 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #268 of 1760 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich, yes a great mind, but like Ivor Cummins, he has his work cut out at home.

244073 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #269 of 1760 🔗

Carl Vernon.

244102 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Danny, #270 of 1760 🔗

Hear!Hear!

244107 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Danny, 4, #271 of 1760 🔗

Andrew Lawrence.

244908 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Danny, 1, #272 of 1760 🔗

And Vernon Coleman

244424 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bart Simpson, #273 of 1760 🔗

Sir Charles Walker

244949 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to mattghg, #274 of 1760 🔗

See Cheezilla’s reply to me – he’s all for the vaccine – back off the list I think

244903 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #275 of 1760 🔗

Malcolm Kendrick

245619 ▶▶▶▶ Amanda Robson, replying to Cheezilla, #276 of 1760 🔗

John Lee (former NHS pathologist as opposed to Caymen Islands John Lee). And naturally our very own Toby and Will as special advisors!

245622 ▶▶▶▶▶ Amanda Robson, replying to Amanda Robson, 1, #277 of 1760 🔗

…and Francis Hoar

244009 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, 13, #278 of 1760 🔗

We need to calm down as well. Mandatory vaccinations hold no threat whatsoever. I DOUBLE DARE this government to set up the apparatus of an apartheid state where everything is segregated.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN

244029 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Tom Blackburn, 26, #279 of 1760 🔗

If I told you this time last year that within a few months, the government was going to force the entire nation into a months long virtual house arrest because of a new bird-flu like virus, you would have said something similar. Impossible, Not gonna happen.

And yet here we all are.

Believe me, EVERYTHING is now possible. Everything.

244059 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #280 of 1760 🔗

I fear Tom, you may be wrong on that one. I hope not. I fear that this is indeed on its way.

244113 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #281 of 1760 🔗

I asked my daughter and she said forcing people to take the vaccine is wrong but they’ll probably do it anyway because they think covid is so bad

244313 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, 1, #282 of 1760 🔗

Not gonna happen. By even engaging it as a possibility gives the idea legs. Relax – laugh when anyone suggests concentration camps etc because they truly are complete sausages.

244520 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, #283 of 1760 🔗

I have no doubt it won’t be mandatory. absolutely no need. will be plenty of volunteers. it is a step too far

244013 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 8, #284 of 1760 🔗

It all really begs the question as to how we do change any of this? If you raise any general points of statistics overall deaths and comparisons people are inclined to switch to the personal and accuse you of being callous because there mum died last week. I think this contrast between national strategic analysis and personal sentimentality is one of the reasons the politicians seem hamstrung on this matter. They are terrified of saying anything that will make them seem callous to their electorate. So how can any of this be changed?

  1. Economics, as the death and hospital data is less terrifying there will be more tenancy to balance our future actions with economic considerations.
  2. Legal; We do need to challenge the legal position on all this. As Lord Sumption says The public Health Act which is being used as the legal base for lock-downs was never intended to be used in that way, the current data does not support the legal justification for using the Public Health Act in this way. I think this needs to be pushed hard with all our MPs they would be quite wrong to vote to further use the Public Health Act for more lock downs. The Attorney General should be obliged to give a statement to the House on the use of the Public Health Act. Mrs Thatcher gave us the Public Health act we should use it as she and her Government intended or we should draft and properly debate a new Public Health Act.
244035 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #285 of 1760 🔗

As I keep saying, to accelerate the turning of the tide there needs to be a huge, professionally managed, well funded campaign of information akin to Vote Leave (or Remain if you prefer) to counteract the propaganda and change public opinion. It would not be easy and may attract censorship or worse, but it’s worth a shot.

The legal challenge you describe is one of the bases of the Dolan case.

244294 ▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to Julian, 3, #286 of 1760 🔗

I agree. What does everyone think about the Reform UK party ?

244536 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to nat, 5, #287 of 1760 🔗

Anything is better than the Conservatives and Labour (complicit). Liberal Democrats also a waste of space with their controlling approach

If we really want to make a difference, save the economy and get our lives back to normal we will need to vote for either the Reform Party or the Reclaim Party

244614 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to Victoria, 1, #288 of 1760 🔗

Got to do something.

244844 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to Victoria, 1, #289 of 1760 🔗

I’m looking at both to weigh up the options 😄

244119 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #290 of 1760 🔗

Its changing. Lockdown2 is annoying people, dodgy data 50,000 cases, 4000 deaths a day – the main narrative is falling apart. Covid deaths will recede into the distance but the effects of lockdown will carry on for years.

I have no doubt it is changing – just too slowly for my liking and the damage is being done

One benefit I see potentially is a proper discussion on the limits of government power. I was genuinely surprised they had the power to put us all under house arrest.

244194 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to steve_w, 8, #291 of 1760 🔗

In the North East, ‘cases’ have risen massively since Lockdown 2. People were motivated to stay in Tier 2 and keep the pubs open, so ‘cases’ were actually falling, but now that they’ve had Lockdown 2 imposed on them anyway, they don’t give a sh**. They’re largely ignoring it.

245329 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #292 of 1760 🔗

Yes good on them.

244707 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve_w, 4, #293 of 1760 🔗

They love to exaggerate the dangers. 4000 a day. It doesn’t matter how many die every day because they will say that their measures prevented that 4000 a day dire prediction from coming true.

244708 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #294 of 1760 🔗

David Cameron’s Big Society.

244730 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to richard riewer, 5, #295 of 1760 🔗

when they decided to lockdown they also decided to scare us into compliance. that is well known. and utterly see-through. the truth will out. they can claim lockdown1 saved 450,000 lives and lockdown2 saved 4000 a day. it doesn’t matter. they can keep claiming that as they gibber away in their care homes in 40 years. it will either fit the data or it won’t. if sweden gets through this winter season ‘unremarkably’ then they are toast. they lied. they know they lied. they admitted they lied. the nudge unit was told to lie as was the bbc. the data from early on showed it was bollox

245250 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to steve_w, 1, #296 of 1760 🔗

Steve, is she a social/moral and economic conservative? If so, she has my vote. Hell, I’ll go to war for her!

244003 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #297 of 1760 🔗

Ivor on Talk Radio now.

244004 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #298 of 1760 🔗

Thank you! Lovely way to start the day.

244007 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 1, #299 of 1760 🔗

Have the editors of this site ever written anything about agenda 21? if not they are looking in the wrong direction.

244031 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Eddy, 3, #300 of 1760 🔗

Not that I recall, but plenty of comments below the line about it, all uncensored to my knowledge.

244008 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #301 of 1760 🔗

‘what we do is ongoing policy that feeds into decisions ministers take, which they consider alongside the health impacts, the social impacts, and they also consider the economic impact.”

They could have used a lot less words

‘we make it up as we go along’

244921 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #302 of 1760 🔗

what we do is ongoing policy

Based on what??
It’s not even clever bollox!

244010 sky_trees, replying to sky_trees, 15, #303 of 1760 🔗

So the current narrative is that Vote Leave were the ones who bounced Boris into lockdown, he’s furious because the figures have fallen apart, and their grip on power has become untenable because he’s lost faith in their advice.

So why are we still in lockdown? Why hasn’t he announced it ending now, or in a week’s time, rather than it still running until Dec 1st?

244022 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to sky_trees, 9, #304 of 1760 🔗

Exactly. It’s always somebody else’s fault with Pfeffel.

244023 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to sky_trees, 3, #305 of 1760 🔗

“……until Dec 1st” 🤣 I wouldn’t be surprised if he found an excuse to extend it into at least the new year!

244225 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #306 of 1760 🔗

He’ll be desperate to be the man who saved Xmas

244711 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #307 of 1760 🔗

Most probably until the next Davos meeting, where the plan for deportations will finally be discussed.

244011 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #308 of 1760 🔗

Last night I watched a live streamed concert featuring a top London orchestra. They already had to tweak the programme a bit as the conductor (American) and the soloist (Russian) couldn’t come due to our current insanity and instead the conductor was Finnish while the soloist was one of our homegrown talents.

While the programme and playing was superb, it was sad to see the orchestra playing to an empty hall almost devoid of human life.

What shocked me was when the conductor and soloist made their way to the stage, they were muzzled and then removed them when they started to play.

WTF???

Ah well….the virus is very intelligent then, it can catch you while you’re making your way to the stage but not while you’re playing an instrument or conducting.

244027 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #309 of 1760 🔗

It’s so obviously theatre and so disappointing that none of those who participate, who surely know it is theatre, push back.

I can’t watch tennis any more, partly because of the lack of spectators but mainly because of the muzzles – the players arrive with muzzles but then take them off to play (including when they sit down betwen games) then put them on again when finished, but the poor line judges and ballkids have to wear them all the time despite being miles away from anyone else.

244040 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 9, #310 of 1760 🔗

Agree. That’s what really disappoints me about these orchestras, they hold out the begging bowl at every online concert but lack the balls to fight back and question the narrative. Imagine had all the major orchestras and ensembles even in London at the bare minimum announced that they weren’t going to kowtow to the insane diktats, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

If they’re fined refuse to pay and demand that it go to court. The government would be shitting at themselves because that could tie them up for the next 50,000 years.

244072 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Julian, 5, #311 of 1760 🔗

Same here, I love tennis but cannot watch. My OH watches Grand Prix which is absolutely farcical, they mask + distance by 6 feet!? Only surprised they don’t have perspex screens as well – theatre is ALL it is.

244157 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #312 of 1760 🔗

And the snooker last week, referee masked, players not. Canned clapping at intervals from the non-existent crowd, that particularly irks me.

244537 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to davews, 3, #313 of 1760 🔗

Why can’t the overwhelming majority of people see how absurd it is? Referee masked and players not? In what Universe does that make the remotest sense?

244714 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to davews, 1, #314 of 1760 🔗

There was canned clapping, oohing, ahhing and the nonexistent crowd cheering throughout the National Hockey League Stanley Cup Playoffs. Even announcer voices announcing goals to an empty arena.

244709 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #315 of 1760 🔗

Do they social distance on track?

245673 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Julian, #316 of 1760 🔗

Its gross I refuse to watch anything like that…I would rather watch Borg and Connors on you tube. At least it reminds you of when the world was sane.

244030 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #317 of 1760 🔗

Oh, good grief.
I stopped watching those empty-hall concerts immediately after trying one from Berlin. It’s too sad. Same with the cricket in the summer… if there’s no crowd there, what’s the bloody point? It’s like “here’s a film of a tree falling unheard in the forest, which therefore didn’t happen.”

It isn’t a proper concert without the storm of coughs between movements, from people who’ve been saving up and/or want to show off that they know it’s the end of the movement but they shouldn’t applaud.

244043 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #318 of 1760 🔗

It isn’t a proper concert without the storm of coughs between movements, from people who’ve been saving up and/or want to show off that they know it’s the end of the movement but they shouldn’t applaud.

Exactly. It’s all part of the experience and why we go to concerts and there’s none of that at the moment.

244071 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #319 of 1760 🔗

Another televised PSY-OP.
Bastards

244283 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #320 of 1760 🔗

Empty hall would change the acoustic too.

244372 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #321 of 1760 🔗

As is anti-social distancing. I’ve read somewhere that many musicians are actually not happy about having to social distance as its said to have a negative impact on the sound and how they’re playing.

245672 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, #322 of 1760 🔗

I used to enjoy classical music concerts but these pathetic pantomines drive me mad. Masks and concerts just do not go together. They might as well all go naked on stage it would not look any more daft.

244015 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #323 of 1760 🔗

Due to the latest community case in Auckland with an unknown origin of the infection. Rather ambitious now. Anyone, not just with flu symptoms, just cold symptoms, sniffles should rush for test and then rush home and isolate until they have result of the test. Not just Auckland but over the whole NZ . Does anyone think this could find 100 % of the infections?
 https://twitter.com/covid19nz/status/1327081497971474432 Anyone in the Auckland area, and indeed throughout New Zealand, who has cold or flu symptoms should get a test and stay at home until you have a negative test result.

244018 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 12, #324 of 1760 🔗

I spoke to an NZ native (now living here) who thinks Saint Jacinda is doing a wonderful job, that life is normal in NZ, that their isolation is sustainable economically and socially, and that zero covid is achievable. Intelligent chap he is too.

244041 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Julian, 12, #325 of 1760 🔗

Intelligent people can convince themselves of whatever they want to believe. I’m not going to say “I hope he’s proved wrong”, because I wish no ill to New Zealand. But it seems fairly obvious that the whole thing is at some point going to turn round and bite NZ and Jacinda in the backside. Sorry about that mental image.

244381 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #326 of 1760 🔗

I’m not going to say “I hope he’s proved wrong”, because I wish no ill to New Zealand .”

I am and I do, because they have chosen a path that is short term perceived gain for long term disaster and the longer they persist in it without suffering consequences, the more harm they do to the world by their example.

244050 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 2, #327 of 1760 🔗

Maybe it is achievable in NZ but, if a sterilising vaccine doesn’t turn up, they are going to have to expose their population to the virus unless they stay locked down for ever.

244094 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Julian, 9, #328 of 1760 🔗

Of course zero covid is possible on a small scale and time limited.

I have zero covid in my house. That doesn’t mean it’s possible throughout the world. At some point I have to leave my house or maybe even have people round.

244019 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to swedenborg, 7, #329 of 1760 🔗

It’s time for that Oscar Wilde quote again… “one would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh”

244017 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 4, #330 of 1760 🔗

I have heard that Serbia legislated to make Covid vaccination compulsory yesterday with a package of heavy-handed measures and Germany votes next week.

244088 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John Stone, 2, #331 of 1760 🔗

The things countries will do just because they lost a penalty shootout.

245525 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Nick Rose, #333 of 1760 🔗

Well, apparently was the final frontier.

244021 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #334 of 1760 🔗

Very good interview with Lionel Shriver:
https://audioboom.com/posts/7728704-hysteria-is-contagious-with-lionel-shriver
Discussion focuses on lockdowns from around 30:30.

244039 ▶▶ chaos, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 6, #335 of 1760 🔗

And yet she voted Biden.. who will lockdown.

244092 ▶▶▶ ziggee, replying to chaos, #336 of 1760 🔗

She did, but with a heavy heart.
I thought her rationale was sound.
Trump was a bit of a silly.

244118 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to ziggee, 9, #337 of 1760 🔗

Lockdowns are the single most destructive thing inflicted on the world since WWII.

If a stray cat ran for office with ending lockdowns in its manifesto I would vote for it.

244134 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #338 of 1760 🔗

I’m sure my moggies would run the country better than Bors Badunov. They protest loudly if you shut them in and would never wear a mask!

244129 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to ziggee, 12, #339 of 1760 🔗

If Trump is a bit silly then I guess it does make sense to vote for seriously evil.

244127 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to chaos, #340 of 1760 🔗

She did so with a nose peg but she doesn’t like Kamala Harris.

244206 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #341 of 1760 🔗

She was very foolish to do so, if she did.

If she thinks the costs to the right of another four years of Trump would be anything approaching the costs of Biden followed almost inevitably by Harris in short order (months more likely than years), then either she hasn’t been paying proper attention to what is going on in the media and big tech, or she’s another victim of Trump Derangement. The latter very much exist on the right as well as on the left..

245674 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, 1, #342 of 1760 🔗

She has always been like that…it makes her look silly rather than Trump. Why rant about lockdown and woke identity politics and then vote for the party that wants it all. She just looks confused and not to be taken seriously.

244237 ▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #343 of 1760 🔗

You don’t think Biden will still be around on 20 January next year? Once the Electoral College has pronounced, he’s a goner.

244715 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Miss Owl, #344 of 1760 🔗

If his heart (or mind) holds out till then, that is…

244274 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, #345 of 1760 🔗

President Momala to you!

244026 Adam, 2, #346 of 1760 🔗

One of the inglorious Bastards are resigning at Christmas now for Johnson, Hancock, Witty,Vallance, Van Tam etc

244037 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #347 of 1760 🔗

Yorkshire ripper dies of covid.. yeah of course he did. With covid.. with a covid test…

Everyone dies with a covid test these days.

244053 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to chaos, 6, #348 of 1760 🔗

Lol, the wording on the BBC website. He refused treatment for covid and also had a number of other health problems. So he died of something else. “No, thanks, I don’t want treatment for covid, or gout, or Jumping Frenchman Disorder*. Wouldn’t mind treatment for the things I’ve got, though.”

*It exists. Google the “Jumping Frenchmen of Maine”. One of the symptoms is the propensity to obey any command given immediately, even if it’s manifestly absurd, like to strike a loved one. I think it’s a strong possibility that the British people are suffering from it on a mass scale.

244112 ▶▶ rose, replying to chaos, #349 of 1760 🔗

how do you upload photos??

244116 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to rose, 1, #350 of 1760 🔗

Sutcliffe had diabetis, respiratory problems, etc in July and wasn’t expected to last more than a couple of weeks

244972 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rose, #351 of 1760 🔗

Sometimes you can just copy the source URL and it will paste.
Other times I have to save the image, then attach from my own image file, using the little picture icon, see bottom right of the comment box – you need to be logged in.

244180 ▶▶ Steve, replying to chaos, 2, #352 of 1760 🔗

Should have been hanged years ago.

244329 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steve, 1, #353 of 1760 🔗

Interesting that one. What is a better punishment to be hung or to be alive every day knowing that you would never ever be released?

244213 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to chaos, 3, #354 of 1760 🔗

George Floyd tested positive too. Strangely he wasn’t reported as a Covid death

244863 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to mhcp, #355 of 1760 🔗

Imagine if we had only one covid death a day – and today it was him. Would the BBC still solemnly read out the death figure in the special sad voice…

244042 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #356 of 1760 🔗

Clair Craig’s article today very interesting. But is she absolutely right that there has not been a slight increase of total excess mortality  the last few weeks? At least Michael Levitt has some concerns.
 https://twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013/status/1326905235370078211

244060 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to swedenborg, -2, #357 of 1760 🔗

You’re right. Any uptick won’t be detected yet.

244097 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to swedenborg, 5, #358 of 1760 🔗

I don’t understand Levitt’s comments. By now, we surely know that Covid-19 ‘cases’ scale with testing, and testing is going up. We also know that respiratory deaths go up in winter, and Covid-19 is being attributed to them all. We know about the ‘dry tinder’ effect after a previous mild winter. We also know that locking down the population and shutting down hospitals causes deaths – we are still seeing the consequences of the original ‘measures’. We don’t even know that mask wearing isn’t causing the spread of respiratory diseases (the Denmark study). We also know that excess death is very variable, clearly seen in the years before they invented Covid. To me, it looks as though it would be easy to create a ‘second wave’ that more-or-less showed up in a variety of statistics making it look like causation even though it was just correlation.

244046 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 40, #359 of 1760 🔗

Elon Musk tweeted this a few hours ago:

Something extremely bogus is going on. Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from BD.”

244052 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #360 of 1760 🔗

Now that IS important because millions of people listen to him. I wonder if he’ll be shut down…

Arnie.

244057 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #361 of 1760 🔗

Wow, that’s REALLY strange: only 50% false positives!

244063 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mabel Cow, 15, #362 of 1760 🔗

Since he doesn’t agree with lockdowns, maybe he could use some of his preposterous fortune doing something about it and countering the propaganda.

244067 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #363 of 1760 🔗

Interesting, just seen it in Mail online:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8945123/Elon-Musk-says-tested-positive-negative-twice-COVID-19-one-day.html

I posted late last night a article on ZeroHedge saying JP Morgan was warning against another lockdown vs Bank of America saying the opposite. This morning, the host on CNBC Squawk (Geoff Cuttmore) more or less arguing for Great Barrington. CNBC and Sky, both owned by Democrat-supporting ComCast, now shifting tack too?

244323 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #364 of 1760 🔗

Why would anyone be tested four times in a day?

244497 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to arfurmo, 7, #365 of 1760 🔗

Because he is an intelligent guy, has intellectual curiosity, and wanted to test the tests. Why did the FDA not do that experiment is the question that should be asked.

244728 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mabel Cow, #366 of 1760 🔗

What took him so long?

244054 Arnie, 1, #367 of 1760 🔗

Now that IS important because millions of people listen to him. I wonder if he’ll be shut down…

Arnie.

244055 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 3, #368 of 1760 🔗

Anybody applying for the writing of the daily update 2-3 times a week? Sounds like a good opportunity for someone.

244109 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Steeve, #369 of 1760 🔗

I would be interested but you have to do it through Facebook and I don’the do social media.

244722 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #370 of 1760 🔗

I went to my Facebook page two days ago and was greeted with a message that said my browser was unacceptable. Perhaps it wasn’t track and traceable?

244058 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #371 of 1760 🔗

Things are not going well in the bunker

The glories of past victories have turned to dust

The dictator doesn’t trust his generals anymore

The generals know the dictator the can’t stomach the truth. The generals don’t tell the dictator anything anymore they just nod in agreement

Some of the generals are making plans to escape the madness

The dictators only loyal ally is his fiancée

Can we expect wedding bells, or is that the sound of approaching tanks?

(Does anyone have the number of the RSPCA? If there is a German Sheppard in there it’s not to late to save it)

244066 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, 1, #372 of 1760 🔗

Oh well, not too late for the Final Solution: all Lockdown Sceptics must report to Platform 7, where free transport is waiting for you!

244079 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 3, #373 of 1760 🔗

Don’t know about German shepherds, but there’s definitely a shitsu.

244142 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 2, #374 of 1760 🔗

OMG Larry the Downing Street cat is in for a rough day!!

244215 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #375 of 1760 🔗

What about Dilyn? The jack russell.

244311 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, #376 of 1760 🔗

the parenthesis is comedy gold

244061 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #377 of 1760 🔗

Spot the difference between these two BBC headlines:

Bobby Ball: Cannon & Ball star dies aged 76 after Covid-19 diagnosis

Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe dies

Yes, ‘Covid’ only gets mentioned for the good guy.

244089 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #378 of 1760 🔗

It was the headline in other trashy “newspapers”. However they fail to mention Sutcliffe was having a suspected heart attack. Also Eddie Large was in hospital with heart failure.

244145 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #379 of 1760 🔗

Clearly in the headlines on Talk Radio that I heard, and pushing the fact that he refused treatment for it. Sad that for somebody who was notorious in the wrong way, and thankfully most of us had forgotten about, is being used as a way to push Covid.

244096 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #380 of 1760 🔗

Makes me piggin sick Tommy

244388 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Barney McGrew, #381 of 1760 🔗

Put the radio on .It’s full of nonsense about covid killing Sutcliffe . A civilised society would of put a creature like that down as soon as we knew what he was responsible for ,but the truth is he died of heart failure and refused treatment because he became a jehovah witness

244983 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wat tyler, 1, #382 of 1760 🔗

There is no cure for heart failure. Just symptom mitigation for a while.

244062 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 11, #383 of 1760 🔗

Clare Craig gave a seriously important announcement yesterday on Julia H Brewers talk radio and seems to be following it up on twitter .If she is correct it will blow the death rate out the water and show the second wave pandemic is basically just down to false tests ,so why are we not concentrating on this important news? ie at least getting this information out to as many people as possible ,sending the video to our MP and anyone we know in the press or influential people who may support us.Until she is proven wrong and we have to take another tack this is the top sceptic news of the moment so why is it only given six lines on today’s page ?.Surely we should at least be trying to find out how true it is ? whether she has support from any of her peers ? or what the government response is ? . I think it’s great this site exists but i want to know about up to date news not about a guy getting in trouble for painting a pub six months ago ,not why everyone is a lefty and can we stop banging on about woke stuff ( yes woke people are fucking idiots but most people in the world don’t even know they exist ) . Lets stick to ending the lockdown by concentrating our strength where the goverment is weakest .

244437 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to wat tyler, 1, #384 of 1760 🔗

Spot on.

244508 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to wat tyler, #385 of 1760 🔗

I thought the piece about the retired DI getting arrested was brilliant and an example/informative/reassuring for us all.

Scroll past, wat, scroll past. Different strokes for different folks, etc.

244574 ▶▶ Mark, replying to wat tyler, 1, #386 of 1760 🔗

can we stop banging on about woke stuff ( yes woke people are fucking idiots but most people in the world don’t even know they exist )

Yes, lockdown is the most urgent thing we are facing,. but it’s not necessarily the most important thing long term – more likely the problems we are experiencing now are another symptom of the underlying malaise.

As for “most people in the world don’t even know woke people exist”, perhaps you haven’t noticed that these “woke people” are running the country and are, day after day, further poisoning and corrupting our most vital institutions – most ominously, the enforcement agencies that will be used to physically suppress dissent when you finally do become actively concerned about what is happening. Don’t think “positive discrimination” is just about recruitment numbers either, it’s also about purging institutions of anyone with opinions offensive to the wokists in charge and recreating them without any loyalties to tradition, heritage, nation, people etc.

Toby has experienced the small beginnings of the future already, with his politically motivated “cancelling”, which is one reason why he’s unusually aware of the issue.

Maybe some now being demonised as “anti-vaxxers” will make them understand what was done to “racists” decades ago, maybe not. But we have been warned. We either learn from the warnings of history or we see them repeated upon us until it’s too late.

Scotland Yard must hire FORTY per cent of new recruits from BAME backgrounds under plan by top brass and Sadiq Khan
In an action plan unveiled today, Met commissioner Cressida Dick admits the force is ‘not free of discrimination, racism or bias’ and has vowed to eliminate it.

244736 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, 1, #387 of 1760 🔗

Sadiq Con.

244069 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 14, #388 of 1760 🔗

cheer up folks-just watched the new John Lewis Christmas ad. Not normally my kind of thing but was immensely cheered by no social distancing and no masks.

244082 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #389 of 1760 🔗

how did that get past Ofcom?

244085 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nicky, 2, #390 of 1760 🔗

On that basis if you share it on twitter or FB it could be banned for misleading information!

244086 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Nicky, 6, #391 of 1760 🔗

My favourite is the tesco one. That will definitely be playing on a loop in a hundred years in the museum of mass delusions, where kids find out about the collective insanity that was 2020, and their parents show them wedding pictures of great grandma wearing a muzzle, much to the bemusement of the bored kids.

244098 ▶▶ alw, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #392 of 1760 🔗

I watched. It is truly pass the sick bag stuff. With woke dross like this no wonder the JL partnership are having financial woes.

244103 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to alw, 1, #393 of 1760 🔗

Is it worse than Kevin the carrot from Aldi’s advert?

244078 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #394 of 1760 🔗

It’s Friday the 13th

I’m gonna wrap myself in clingfilm so I don’t get ‘it’

244136 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 1, #395 of 1760 🔗

Don’t forget to cut airholes in it or you’ll catch your death from something else.

244154 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nick Rose, #396 of 1760 🔗

Yep I remembered the air holes

However no holes below the neck and I have just pooed myself

It’s messier in here than Downing Street

244266 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, #397 of 1760 🔗

The autopsy will make good reading.

244093 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #398 of 1760 🔗

gulf war syndrome. caused by vaccines the troops were given in 1991 just before they invaded iraq.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/birth-defects-children-gulf-war-veterans/

“Government Muzzled Media on Birth Defects in Children of Gulf War Veterans
For more than 25 years, the VA and DOD have refused to acknowledge the abnormally high rates of birth defects among children of Gulf War veterans.”

244160 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 3, #399 of 1760 🔗

Birth defects in children may well have been caused by Depleted Uranium. Iraq was full of it. The A10 aircraft fires DU rounds in their thousands. Anti tank rounds have DU penetrators. These rounds vaporize. Uranium is now everywhere.

Birth defect in Iraq within the population especially in Falluja sky-rocketed in those years. I still have the pictures in my chamber of horrors photo collection. Just for the record. You don’t want to see them. Ever.

244104 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 11, #400 of 1760 🔗

I completely understand that the new adverts at the bottom of the page help to fund the site but can we get rid of the mask one please. I probably speak for everyone on here when I say that I don’t give a toss if it’s super comfortable, it’s still a bloody mask.

244114 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 17, #401 of 1760 🔗

I quite like the idea of the site being ‘sponsored’ by mask sellers

Using their money to destroy their business appeals to my dark side

It could be straight out of the book of Cummings

244132 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cecil B, 5, #402 of 1760 🔗

Perhaps we should all rampantly click on the ads that we disagree with to force up the cost for those particular advertisers.

244133 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Cecil B, 1, #403 of 1760 🔗

I like your thinking! 😉

244138 ▶▶ davews, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #404 of 1760 🔗

I have to admit that since I use an adblocker (mvpshosts to be precise), I have yet to see any of those adverts. That doesn’t mean that I don’t support Toby with donations, I do.

244182 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #405 of 1760 🔗

I’m still amazed that nearly all those choosing to hide their faces don’t just use a scarf, or similar. Why on earth are they still BUYING these things?

244244 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Banjones, 2, #406 of 1760 🔗

Why not swiss cheese, you can cover you face with it :), Probably offers the same protection as a mask; none.

245005 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FlynnQuill, #407 of 1760 🔗

If you eat it instead of chucking it on the ground, it won’t harm wildlife either!

244106 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 11, #408 of 1760 🔗

So, the day it’s announced that nearly 140.000 people have waited over a year for hospital treatment, a record number of Covid ‘cases’ are announced. How convenient.

244181 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #409 of 1760 🔗

I’d like to know where they’re finding all these hundreds of thousands of people to be ‘tested’. Are there that many dopey sheep around? How many times have they each been tested? Who is actually collating the figures?
And do we even believe the figures? They could give out any numbers, and we’ve no way of checking to see if they’re genuine.
Perhaps they’re using the same software as the Dems did in the US election – you know, the software that ”flips” numbers into other columns at the touch of a button.

244216 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Banjones, 1, #410 of 1760 🔗

You are correct, we have absolutely no way of telling where these figures are coming from or even if they are true. The government could be making them and we wouldn’t know.

I was led to believe that you could only be tested if you had symptoms? Who wakes up one morning and says to themselves “I think I’ll go for a Covid test today” if you have no symptoms, why on earth would you? I’m still yet to see anybody at the test centre that I drive past nearly everyday.

244624 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #411 of 1760 🔗

i think there are thousands who do that. Students are tested by force, so that will account for over hundreds of thousands with the same amount testing in 15-20days so they ca go home ffs!

244108 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 1, #412 of 1760 🔗

Whilst it is a scandal that no treasury forecast was made (one that the MSM will ignore just like Lockdown 1) I’m just as concerned about the statement from SAGE about exponential rise in cases. They obviously don’t understand what either of those terms really mean. It is clear to me that this think-tank of brains (the one that is driving a policy that is ruining peoples lives through a perpetual narrative of fear no matter how much they say they are apolitical) don’t even understand the basics of what they are talking about.

244111 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 8, #413 of 1760 🔗

I think they know very well what exponential means, and know equally well what words they need to use to scare people

244128 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Julian, 5, #414 of 1760 🔗

What he said. The Behavioural Insights Team will have done a great deal of study into this and will no doubt have a list of words to use and words to avoid to “get the right message across”.

244175 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 1, #415 of 1760 🔗

Quite. How many ordinary people know that it simply means a rate of change proportional to the current size of the thing you are measuring.They don’t – it’s just a scary-sounding big word deliberately employed to imply that disaster is imminent.

245023 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #416 of 1760 🔗

It’s scripted! Whitty has often caught himself and hastily changed his speech to fit the narrative, eg. “the NHS, er, our fantastic NHS” etc.
Also using exactly the same wrong examples of viruses as Wankock, ie, Malaria and HIV.
Willing puppets.

244158 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Achilles, 6, #417 of 1760 🔗

I watched Question Time last night. Robin Shattock immunologist. Looked seriously ill from his skin colour. When he talked he used simple words and quite often got the order wrong or used the wrong word. I’d say he has early stage Alzheimers, I’m not doctor but my mum had it.Classic symptoms. Hancock on too, waving his hands around like a kid. Changing tack halfway through a sentence, as he clearly cannot engage brain before mouth. Trying to be charming. PR must have drilled him for hours. No serious questions from anyone. Don’t ask about Lamy’s contribution. Newsnight was shit so I’d turned over for a while. Utter bollocks.

244164 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Iansn, 3, #418 of 1760 🔗

I did notice that and at one point he said “we see the vaccine preventing lives”. He did not correct it. I recorded the clip as was so odd.

244246 ▶▶▶ Cas, replying to Iansn, 1, #419 of 1760 🔗

He also spoke of the safety of vaccines, and how a vaccine contains a small sample of the disease. However, and I’m not completely sure but isn’t the Pfizer vaccine using m-rna technology which is significantly different in its operation and, up until now, untested at a population level?

244476 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Cas, 1, #420 of 1760 🔗

I believe this to be true. Can someone quote chapter and verse?

If true Wancock has just lied on national TV. This alone – apart from any of his other crimes – warrants instant dismissal.

Are the rebel tory MPs aware of this? There must be many who would like to see him bite the dust.

245008 ▶▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to charleyfarley, #421 of 1760 🔗

Again. . . he was asked about vitamin D in the HOC. He said they’d commissioned their own study, which showed it to be ineffective. No such study existed ( though I think there is one now). So can we add lying to Parliament? Aren’t there sanctions for such an insult?

244169 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Achilles, 2, #422 of 1760 🔗

And add the word ”unelected” to that description.

244115 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 50, #423 of 1760 🔗

To comment further on the topic of futile but potentially dangerous mask wearing, I was struck by the following, posted by Tom Woods on his tom@tomwoods.com site a few days ago. As an ex Allied Health Professional who has experience of working in both NHS and Local Authority services to support children with disabilities I have been increasingly concerned by the fact that I have not heard this issue being discussed in any depth in the public domain.

Yesterday my email had to do with masks, a topic I haven’t discussed much except to note that the charts of health outcomes around the world don’t appear to back up the claim that they are particularly effective.

In response, I received this from a reader, and it really struck me:

I look forward to your emails every day to help me keep a sane perspective on this world. Your latest email below, however, struck such a chord with me that I just had to reply.

I am the mother of 3 children. Our youngest is 5 months old. Masks have been a very sore subject with me from the beginning for many reasons. Our oldest is 4 years old. His preschool teachers are required to wear them and our son is extremely troubled by them. He’s never seen his teachers’ faces! It’s a daily struggle to help him deal with this abnormal and disturbing world he all of a sudden lives in.

While this is endlessly upsetting for me, what has me even angrier is the world our baby has been born into. In her 5 months on this earth, aside from our family, she has never seen another human face! When we go out in public, she doesn’t know that there are human faces and perhaps a smile behind those ridiculous masks. She just sees figures wrapped up like mummies. What must she think of the world? What is she learning about her surroundings? To her, this dystopia is going to be “normal.”

Our baby is extremely alert and engaged, smiles in response to every smile she’s given, and studies our faces intently when we talk and sing to her. As a father, I know you know that this is how babies learn to talk and learn to communicate with facial expressions. Every parent knows this. Doesn’t it concern anyone else that millions of babies are being deprived in a significant way of this opportunity to learn and develop the way God intended? To flourish in the presence of normal human interaction? No one seems to think or care about the psychological and developmental damage these masks are doing to our children and babies. It makes me sick.

244168 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nicky, 11, #424 of 1760 🔗

If teachers feel (or are told) that they MUST wear muzzles, then they should be see-through ones. There are plenty available. To hide their faces totally from young children is appalling.
All part of the Prole Control Programme. The little Proles must be brought up recognising the Sign of Subservience.
It’s dreadful, truly dreadful.

244178 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Nicky, 17, #425 of 1760 🔗

No one seems to think or care about the psychological and developmental damage these masks are doing to our children and babies.

Nope. People are too busy thinking of themselves and their virtue signalling to think about anything else.

244200 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Nicky, 17, #426 of 1760 🔗

I saw this a few weeks ago in a supermarket queue. This baby was fascinated by me and it me a few moments to figure out that I was the only person not wearing a mask.

244386 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve, 4, #427 of 1760 🔗

I’ve had the same as well. I had a baby once in an underground carriage directing its focus at me because yes, I was the only person unmuzzled.

244725 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Nicky, 8, #428 of 1760 🔗

In this dismal world I had an encounter that made my day. I was shopping without a mask and 2 young ladies waved me in front of them at the till as I only had 3 items. Neither were wearing masks and one had her baby of approx 9 months sitting in the trolley. The baby was Downs Syndrome and sweet as hell and I bent and smiled and said ‘Hello’ (like the good old days) Neither women recoiled from me so I quietly muttered ‘Nice to see people without muzzles’ and one replied with ‘Me, too’ and a smile. I almost wept. I am 68 and feel like I am an undesirable living in 1930’s Germany. Today I went to the War Memorial and wondered at the hypocrisy of the wreaths for those who died for the freedoms we are giving away,

244828 ▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to Mutineer, 1, #429 of 1760 🔗

I so agree Mutineer, and with the other comments above. The continual hypocrisy, selfishness and virtue signalling of the pro maskers and pro lockdown people out there is so hard to stomach. None of them are truly thinking of others when they refuse to read and explore the alternative evidence and consider the impact these policies are having on the long term future of our children. In addition, the irony of wreath laying for freedoms hard fought for and won by our brave forbears, now trampled over by woke extremists and ignorant, cowardly parliamentarians who don’t care or listen to the people who elected them, is equally hard to bear. Their time will come.

244936 ▶▶ judymilne, replying to Nicky, 1, #430 of 1760 🔗

I have long thought of the damage mask wearing is doing to very young children. I often watch the puzzlement on their faces.

244120 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 12, #431 of 1760 🔗

So the Treasury did not even attempt to produce any forecasts in relation to the impact of ‘lockdown’ on the economy. How utterly depressing, and entirely in keeping with the jaw-dropping incompetence of this government.

What a complete and utter shambles.

244159 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to common conservative, 7, #432 of 1760 🔗

It sounds seductive and feeds into the incompetence narrative until you realise that we are marching in lockstep with other major nations.
There is no way this happened;they know exactly what will happen during lockdown 2 because they have the evidence of lockdown 1.
They are preparing for the collapse of the £ while building our new digital currency.

244162 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to common conservative, 4, #433 of 1760 🔗

Considering they have managed to brainwash, imprison/control and soon impoverish 60+ million people with such apparent ease it seems to me the are quite competent.

244170 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #434 of 1760 🔗

Well, when you put it like that! Paradoxically, this administration is both incompetent and competent.

244387 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to common conservative, 4, #435 of 1760 🔗

How much more proof do we need to realise these puppets in government really are just puppets. We rarely get to see those pulling their strings because they hide in the shadows.

244995 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to common conservative, #436 of 1760 🔗

The government is not incompetent, they’re devious, dishonest and dangerous.

244121 Adam, replying to Adam, 1, #437 of 1760 🔗

Guess who put this odious Government in office that’s right the ever so gormless & gullible British public go figure thank God for the SDP which I gladly joined in April

244156 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Adam, 11, #438 of 1760 🔗

That’s a stupid argument. To label your fellow man ‘gormless & gullible’ fails to appreciate the nuance involved in why people voted for this government (not least the ‘Brexit’ issue), and it implies that you foresaw the type of large-scale incompetence we are now witnessing. No one could have foreseen this. It also implies other parties would have done better, when there is every reason to believe they would have done the same or worse.

Please drop this silly, sneering argument.

244258 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Adam, 1, #439 of 1760 🔗

Thank God indeed that you and your SDP chums will never be in power.

244122 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #440 of 1760 🔗

I can’t wait for the next episode of the new comedy series based in Downing Street
‘At home with the Ceausescu’s’

244123 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 3, #441 of 1760 🔗

I’m especially looking forward to the episode where cheers turn to boos.

244131 ▶▶▶ Jim Binks, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #442 of 1760 🔗

And ends happily ever after in Târgoviște.

244125 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #443 of 1760 🔗

I will quote verbatim the text I’ve just received from the blood donor service: “You may be asked to wait outside the venue on arrival today to help maintain social distancing.
To avoid delay please arrive at your booked time,not earlier”
I minute, 10 seconds, a second too early?
After almost 47 years and 88 donations, this is really, really trying my patience now.

244148 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #444 of 1760 🔗

The simple is to say sod off and not donate again.

244161 ▶▶ steph, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #445 of 1760 🔗

You have my admiration for sticking at it. As you know, I will not under the imposed conditions and possibly may never again.
You are very public spirited – the need for blood doesn’t go away because the PTB are terminally stupid.

244173 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, 1, #446 of 1760 🔗

Thank you Steph, I do truly appreciate it.

244126 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #447 of 1760 🔗

“Treasury made no forecast or Lockdown 2.0”

Debt doesn’t matter any more.

Hyperinflation/Currency Reform is coming.

The value of all current debt will be at least massively devalued, most probably wiped out.

….and with that debt the financial assets, which are the other side of the coin.

244146 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 5, #448 of 1760 🔗

I can’t believe educated relative wealthy people cannot see what is happening.Leaders of all the major central banks are preparing for this out in the open.Whether we get a green reset is up for grabs but it is inevitable that we face a financial one.

244752 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #449 of 1760 🔗

Enemy, not an ally.

244130 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #450 of 1760 🔗

This is hardly encouraging!

Sir Charles Walker , the vice-chairman of the 1922 committee of backbench Conservative MPs, told The Telegraph: “The year 2021 needs to be a huge year for the Prime Minister and the Conservative Party.
“We need really to get on top of the virus through the vaccination programme , get the economy moving again so that it can create wealth and jobs, and prepare to host the COP26 climate conference when the eyes of the world will be on the UK.
“This is too good an opportunity to waste. The Prime Minister needs to put it to good use – and if he does, this could turn out to be a really good week.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/12/beginning-end-number-10-dominic-cummings/

244137 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #451 of 1760 🔗

Just got taken off one list and placed on the other list

244141 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #452 of 1760 🔗

FFS 🙁

244143 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #453 of 1760 🔗

We need to turn 2021 into the year of their arrest and trial otherwise we are totally screwed.

244152 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #454 of 1760 🔗

Terrible news. Utterly sold out (at least publicly) to coronapanic and assuming the PM will continue. If he really means it, he’s an idiot.

244153 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #455 of 1760 🔗

Sorry, Cheezilla. Had to downvote Walker – not you! At least he’s shown his true colours now,

244166 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #456 of 1760 🔗

Must have missed his dose of anti-psychotic medicine.

244204 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #457 of 1760 🔗

Caught ‘moderate’ gaslighting.

244272 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #458 of 1760 🔗

Unfortunately, sounds like someone who would be in favour of compulsory vaccinations and the Great Reset agenda.

244432 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cheezilla, -1, #459 of 1760 🔗

I’m not sure it’s a sell out I think It’s more about striking a positive note and keeping semblance of cohesiveness in a situation that is crashing all around them politically or otherwise.

245078 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo Dominich -, #460 of 1760 🔗

Positive or not, it’s definitely the wrong note!

244702 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #461 of 1760 🔗

Oh Ch-er-rist! I really thought he understood!!

245675 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cheezilla, #462 of 1760 🔗

The tories are just awful….no principles or consistency at all….dump them for good.

244140 Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 4, #463 of 1760 🔗

I can’t help noticing that in Fife all the boats are out of the water.
Is sailing banned? Is it because Sweden is too close?

244247 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 3, #464 of 1760 🔗

Winter

RYA guidance

  • Can I go boating?
  • Yes, for exercise or for the purposes of open-air recreation, as long as you are doing so from a public outdoor place and that you are: –
  • On your own
  • With the people you live with (your household)
  • With your support bubble
  • With one person from another household – this could be a coach or instructor
  • for 1:1 coaching/instructing
  • Children under the age of five, as well as disabled people dependent on round-the- clock care, aren’t counted towards the limit on two people meeting outside.
245004 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #465 of 1760 🔗

There are bureaucrats sitting at their desks every day thinking up new restrictions. The Aussies call them wankers.

244147 Nic, replying to Nic, 11, #466 of 1760 🔗

Notice Sage r blaming an up tick on cases yesterday on people s last minute rush to socialise before lockdown.
Typical .I would say this time most people are ignoring the rules, as they know lockdowns are a waste of time ,italy have cracked down hard again but it is making no difference and it wont here.

244374 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nic, 2, #467 of 1760 🔗

People need to take their lives back

244151 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #468 of 1760 🔗

Borisbullshit- meant to reply to you yesterday! I started blanking out those screens months ago, though at the moment I haven’t been going anywhere much. Are there new ones, or have they repurposed the ones that used to advertise events at the International Centre, teacher recruitment etc? But yes, it’s a waste of our money. Yesterday’s council email update was a poor attempt to spread fear. Apparently our ‘cases’ are now above national and regional average, but, they admit, we only have 47 patient with a positive test in the PRH and RSH together.

245676 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Charlie Blue, #469 of 1760 🔗

I think they are the same ones but they have been placed in different locations. Its always the same message ‘essential travel only’. It just makes you think big brother is watching you. I never thought i would live to see such things in Telford.

244155 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 14, #470 of 1760 🔗

Just think of we had a really dangerous pandemic…would of saved a shit load of money on not bothering with propaganda, neat roll off the tongue slogans, funky signage, plastic shields, daily TV conferences, indoctrinating TV adverts, paying ‘influencers’ to brainwash us, useless PPE equipment, next to useless testing equipment the list goes on……

244195 ▶▶ DRW, replying to stefarm, 11, #471 of 1760 🔗

If we actually had a dangerous pandemic, there would be no marketing campaign except our own eyes and ears. Ebola epidemics never needed any.

244201 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to DRW, 4, #472 of 1760 🔗

💯 % my friend

244227 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to DRW, 4, #473 of 1760 🔗

But this is CovEbola 😉

244233 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #474 of 1760 🔗

CovEbolAIDS cause All The Very Clever Experts say there’s no natural immunity.

244259 ▶▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to DRW, 1, #475 of 1760 🔗

Like it. Take it to the top of the charts! Will add that to the other names I have for this benign for most people virus.

245677 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to DRW, #476 of 1760 🔗

If it was a real pandemic they would be trying to get us to calm down not stoking up the fear. Shows what hogwash it all is. Stop testing healthy people and ditch the masks and barely anyone would be aware of it.

244165 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #477 of 1760 🔗

Apparently there is an electric tooth brush flying off the shelves in Aberdare

Problem: I’m not allowed to go to feckin Aberdare

244554 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, 1, #478 of 1760 🔗

You’re lucky then: shouldn’t somebody switch it off!?

244758 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #479 of 1760 🔗

Dare to go to feckin Aberdare.

245092 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, 2, #480 of 1760 🔗

Aberdare you!

244174 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 23, #481 of 1760 🔗

The Samaritans have a prominent place on this newsletter. However sadly it looks as if they were paid off to say the following:

New data shows suicide rates during lockdown have not been impacted in the way many were concerned about

However, this still means that we must do everything we can to make sure people most at risk are getting the support they need in this tough times.

Simon’s comment:

This is disingenuous Samaritans

Your report shows that suicides have risen, but you have made the rather surprising leap of logic that this increase was not due to lockdown

Totally unacceptable!!! Maybe Toby should remove the Samaritans from this site?

244196 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, 7, #482 of 1760 🔗

I looked at the report yesterday. My interpretation is that yes, the trend was that rates were rising year on year so at this point it would be difficult to prove causation. However, I think Samaritans are beyond the pale for their statements. People get ground down over time, often because a series of negative life events follow each other (e.g. lose job, lose home, relationship breaks down, waiting forever for mental health support). The pressures will be mounting for so many and imo this is what they should be stressing.

244231 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Victoria, 21, #483 of 1760 🔗

Not surprised. There are very few charities left with credibility. They have nearly all become greedy corporate leaching blobs with no moral compass.

244243 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #484 of 1760 🔗

RSPB supports windmills and gets paid to.

244254 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 7, #485 of 1760 🔗

Yep, you couldn’t make it up could you!

Currently reading the book below. There’s a strong argument in it that Greenpeace didn’t save the whales, it was the development of other better and cheaper oil based products. Recommended read.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apocalypse-Never-Environmental-Alarmism-Hurts/dp/0063001691

245097 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #486 of 1760 🔗

Too busy suporting windmills to save raptors from the bloody grouse shooters.

245678 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #487 of 1760 🔗

I wonder if the chopped up birds support them?

244568 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #488 of 1760 🔗

If I am phoned by a charity call-centre, I ask them how much their CEO gets paid. If that amount is higher than what I was paid when I was working, I say to them “Ask your boss to put his/her hand in his/her pocket first”.

244276 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 8, #489 of 1760 🔗

I was disgusted when I saw that. It’s the Samaritans’ version of “let them eat cake”

The charity sector have been disgraceful throughout this lockdown by their betrayal of their mission-vision and the people who needed their help. They don’t deserve to survive after this.

245679 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, #490 of 1760 🔗

I think the charity shops have been very gestapo like. Many only allow one person in at a time and make the rest queue in the rain in masks. I used to enjoy going in them especially in a different town…..not been in one all year really.

244428 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #491 of 1760 🔗

Samaritans digging themselves into a hole…. when they responded to Simon’s initial tweet

These provide the best information that exists at the moment. They give us a reassuring indication, but we want government to prioritise putting a comprehensive nation-wide real time data system in place.

Simon:

Thanks for replying, but what does the below even mean?

How can an increase in suicides be reassuring?

244770 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, 1, #492 of 1760 🔗

I have seen several suicide hot line posters in Montreal metro stations in the past week. Every one of them was put up in the darkest corners along the quai, at the rear of the train or the the front of the train. None are anywhere near where majority of the passengers leave or enter the cars.

245094 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #493 of 1760 🔗
244183 Mark, replying to Mark, 17, #494 of 1760 🔗

“It is now evident that Victoria in lockdown resembled 1970s East Germany more than a liberal democracy, and most Victorians seem happy with that. “

Well if there’s one potential upside to this disaster (assuming we can scrabble back from the brink of civil war or outright tyranny), it’s that more people might understand the real dangers of sacrificing necessary liberty for supposed safety.

There can be no more illusions that we are special, or that people collectively hate tyranny. On the contrary, most people – including Brits and Australians – are easily persuaded by fear or indoctrination to be quite happy with it, and it was not dislike of it that brought down any of the great tyrannies of the C20th. Economic failure did for some of them, military defeat the rest.

But the deeper warning is that such means relied on there being somewhere outside the tyranny to compare with economically, or to provide military resistance. A world government, de facto or de jure, sought by so many internationalists, has no “outside”.

245680 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #495 of 1760 🔗

Some have argued that communism is a religion pretending to be an economic system. Its just as well the economic system (central planning) does not work too well or the Eastern bloc would still be behind the Iron Curtain. Its sad in a way that it did not collapse because people hated tyranny…rather than through economic failure..but many clearly liked it just as here now many like the lockdowns.

244184 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #496 of 1760 🔗

After reading this from today’s Round-Up why on earth are these tests being given the time of day? Funny that now Belgium are only testing symptomatic people, their positivity rate is marching down.

False-positive COVID-19 results: hidden problems and costs ” – Good article in the Lancet on the problems with improper use of PCR tests

244192 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 8, #497 of 1760 🔗

What and lose money for all of the fat cat CEO’s and MP’s

244185 didymous, replying to didymous, 10, #498 of 1760 🔗

OK, something very strange going on with the positive tests by “specimen date”

There is always a ridiculously large jump every Thursday. This can only mean that specimens are batched up by some laboratories once a week and the specimen date actually includes a whole week’s worth of specimens:

4-5 Oct 11,787 to 16,548
11-12 Oct 12,068 to 15,455
18-19 Oct 14,183 to 25,588
25-26 Oct 15,733 to 26,542
1 – 2 Nov 15,744 to 31,466
8 – 9 Nov 19,681 to 27, 083

always followed by a drop back down
Any other explanations?

244207 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to didymous, 3, #499 of 1760 🔗

possible they are using an old version of excel. maybe they need to update their windows home license? maybe a couple of balls have fallen off the abacus. new chalk gets delivered thursdays? maybe a guy with 6 fingers does a double shift?

244219 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to didymous, 2, #500 of 1760 🔗

Thanks for laying that out. Very compelling story to fit the Friday drop of information this Government likes ?

244287 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to didymous, #501 of 1760 🔗

Good observation

244298 ▶▶ didymous, replying to didymous, 1, #502 of 1760 🔗

Whoops – those days are of course Mondays – so simply a weekend effect. The Thursday reported number may just be catching up

244186 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #503 of 1760 🔗

NHS Incentives for having the flu jab. How can this possibly be moral?

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1327161940402171905

Evidence 1

244188 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #504 of 1760 🔗

Edidence 2

244199 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 5, #505 of 1760 🔗

Jab-o-meter WTF

Will be available as a board game by Christmas

244224 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cecil B, 2, #506 of 1760 🔗

You can just imagine MSM will be having a national daily one. Maybe even set compliance targets to relax certain rules.

244245 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Victoria, 5, #507 of 1760 🔗

‘Jab-o-meter’ WTAF!?

That along with ‘inject hope into the arms of people’ are two of the most chilling things I’ve read/heard during all of this insanity.

244776 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #508 of 1760 🔗

Inject dope into Matt’s arm.

245118 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #509 of 1760 🔗

Novichok would be more appropriate.

244563 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Victoria, 2, #510 of 1760 🔗

If only 54% of front-line NHS staff have had the “jab”, that says all you need to know about the level of safety with which the NHS staff regard the vaccine.

244187 DRW, replying to DRW, 9, #511 of 1760 🔗

If the Fat Dictator proposed bombing Tier 3 areas, I bet the vast majority of useless MPs would vote for it casue SaGe SaYs eXpOnEnTiAl gRoWtH.

244235 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DRW, 3, #512 of 1760 🔗

Sort of Tory Canyon (spoiler the FAA and RAF missed (18 out of 41 attempts) a massive super tanker stuck on rocks).

244305 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #513 of 1760 🔗

I’m not a Tory voter, but the bulk of the opposition is coming from them. If you hadn’t noticed.

244189 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #514 of 1760 🔗

Thoughts please. Is yesterday’s spike in ‘cases’, related to a spike in ‘covid deaths’ on 2 December?

244197 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #515 of 1760 🔗

nothing can create a spike in data apart from sampling issues or process issues (finding some old one, making a mistake etc)

if there was a rise associated with some behaviour change it would happen over days. not everyone takes exactly 5 days from infection to +ve test

I would largely ignore the ‘cases’ and go with the kcl tracker app – which attempts to get rid of false positives from testing

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

244299 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to steve_w, 3, #516 of 1760 🔗

I largely avoid the “cases” these days as a matter of principle.

It’s just a device for the Johnson junta to justify lockdown.

244354 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #517 of 1760 🔗

I ignore all mention of Covid spikes now, we know we are being scammed. I’m just waiting for these criminals to get their comeuppance. 🤞

245013 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #518 of 1760 🔗

Listen to Mark Windows Windows on the World. He suggests ways to ensure that these criminals will get their comeuppance.

244193 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 30, #519 of 1760 🔗

Great comment on Twitter

The Covid Vaccine is predicted to be 90% effective after only 8 months of development, yet the flu vaccine is only 40% effective after 70 years of development.

I’ll go with my immune system, it’s 99.9% effective.

244339 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, #520 of 1760 🔗

👍 👍 👍

244203 stefarm, 1, #521 of 1760 🔗

https://brandnewtube.com/v/384J3C

Will Life Ever Be The Same Again?

244205 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #522 of 1760 🔗

I bought the OH ‘Covid Jenga’ for Christmas

Every time someone pulls out the PCR block the whole thing comes crashing down

244214 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cecil B, 1, #523 of 1760 🔗

The bottom four rows must be entirely “case” blocks.

244208 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #524 of 1760 🔗

Police wanting to issue a fine of £5,000 to a ‘ car wash ‘ that is open. The person then told them but why is the ASDA car wash over the road open, the police said it has nothing to do with them.

More proof that this lockdown is intended to kill small independent businesses?

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1327187171565064193

244239 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 5, #525 of 1760 🔗

She appears to be functioning at the intellectual level of an ameoba

244337 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 3, #526 of 1760 🔗

Sadly most of them do! We are badly served by those in the public sector they enjoy the power but don’t have the intellect to use it wisely. Thick as mince!

244352 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #527 of 1760 🔗

One of the classic libertarian arguments against giving power to government.

Again and again we try to give power to government to control the behaviour of others we think are being stupid, only to find we’ve empowered some stupid person to do stupid things with the full force of government behind him.

244449 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 2, #528 of 1760 🔗

Probably lower than an ameoba – a bacteria perhaps?

Just shows the hypocrisy and inconsistency, says that car washes are non essential but as the guy points out they service taxis, delivery vans and others who use cars for their business.

245184 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #529 of 1760 🔗

She was getting anxious and the mask can’t have helped. Heheheh!

244255 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Victoria, 3, #530 of 1760 🔗

Another foreign cop. Seems to be a pattern.

244498 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Victoria, 1, #531 of 1760 🔗

Perhaps not intended, but certainly the effect.

245017 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #532 of 1760 🔗

Dirty cars are not good for the environment.

244210 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 3, #533 of 1760 🔗

Anyone not seen the latest from Media Bear ? 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9SEQMn0l58

244228 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JohnB, 1, #534 of 1760 🔗

Non of the shops are boarded up. How come?

244384 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #535 of 1760 🔗

Because they live in the US of A ?

244211 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #536 of 1760 🔗

How much longer can we pretend all this is about a mild flu like virus?

244218 ▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 4, #537 of 1760 🔗

I’d say until the mass deployment of the “vaccine”

244221 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 18, #538 of 1760 🔗

Funny isn’t it, that as soon as the DM start to highlight the cruelty inherent in the way older people are being treated in ‘care’ homes, the politicians/charities can’t wait to add their support.

I don’t recall them being so exercised previously. But as soon as there is a bandwagon, they’re falling over themselves to jump aboard.

244458 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #539 of 1760 🔗

And yet too thick to realise that many of the cruel treatment we’re seeing in care homes were the result of their insane Covid diktat.

The charities are a disgrace. Too busy being the mouthpiece of the state, regurgitating Covid and woke propaganda at the expense of their raison d’etre.

They deserve to go bust.

244656 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #540 of 1760 🔗

Music to my ears Bart. My view has always been that they are a bunch of crooks who take money for nothing. Wouldn’t give a penny to any of them. Sick of all these begging adverts.

244514 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 3, #541 of 1760 🔗

What is really funny is that the moment a bit of public dissent starts brewing, the Conservative Party breeds a faction of “rebels” aligned with the dissenters. I don’t believe for a minute these people genuinely believe they are going to change government policy, however well intentioned they may be. And the Conservative Party uses them to keep unhappy conservatives onside with the illusion that they are being represented and influencing public policy.

244531 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to stewart, 2, #542 of 1760 🔗

Great post. Too little too late. Not much progress either.

245312 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to kh1485, #543 of 1760 🔗

Labour won’t be far behind, arch bandwagon jumpers.

244230 Terr B, replying to Terr B, 8, #544 of 1760 🔗

It was surprising to hear an NHS England rep talk down daily numbers.

The big problem with all the numbers quoted breathlessly in the media is that no one bothers to looks at the underlying data which is readily available on the govt’s own website. With cases it should be by Specimen Date. As of yesterday the latest data was the early return from Wednesday (actual 1,405). This is artificially low obviously as data collection usually takes a few days. The highest daily figure in this “surge” was on 1st Nov (surprisingly a Sunday) when it reached 31,466. However the 7 day moving average latest peak was on 8th Nov (again a Sunday) with 23,668.

For deaths the headline number of 563 again is not useful as it pulls together many days reports of deaths by date of death. The latest date of death data is for 11th Nov when it was 125 (again artificially low due to collection timescales). The highest date of death was Monday 9th at 400. This will be revised over the next few days but there was an error yesterday when the numbers were first released just after 4:00 p.m. They were corrected around 8:00 p.m. The 7 day average has increased steadily over the past 3 weeks from c200 to c350 on Monday 9th but the curve is starting to flatten.

It would be some much better if the “journalists” actually spent a little time looking at the numbers before rushing off to get in first with the “news”

244270 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Terr B, 6, #545 of 1760 🔗

The number of deaths in relation to covid is more or less fiction given the vagueness of the criteria and the unreliablility of the tests

The only game in town is “are more people dying per head of population than usual for this time of year” where “usual” could be a recent average and also one should compare to peaks in the last few decades. In spring there was a spike which was significant, though the exact reasons for this are muddied by denial of treatment issues connected to lockdown/closing the NHS. Even given that, the spike was not sustained and now deaths are not exceptionally high for the year so far compared to other peaks in the last few decades. Is there currently anything exceptional happening to all-cause mortality here or anywhere else in Europe?

This simple message needs to be hammered home and arguably should be our ONLY message because engaging with the framework of fiction established by the covid industry hands them partial victory because they can just find some other way to fiddle the figures.

244306 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Terr B, 2, #546 of 1760 🔗

Rather than telling us to look at the 7-day average, which is a start, he needs to explain the relationship between the number of tests carried out and the number of “cases” i.e. the positivity rate. Number of cases alone is meaningless even if you do believe that they are really all “infections”. This is basic science and they should be crucified for not making it part of the daily update.

244232 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 10, #547 of 1760 🔗

I’m intrigued by the announcement of Cumming’s departure. Does this mean that either:

a) Boris realises that the Goverment has painted itself in to a corner and it’s time for a change of direction?

or

b) Cummings is jumping ship because he knows it’s all going to end in tears?

Or maybe it’s just their bromance has ended.

244265 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #548 of 1760 🔗

Cummings may simply be bored of it. He was quite unwell I think and needed an operation which kept getting postponed, and he promised his wife he would quit at a certain point. I know none of that quite gels with his slightly psycho persona….

244280 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 5, #549 of 1760 🔗

I think he came into govt thinking he was going to do loads, make everything great and be lauded as a genius.

covid happens and he was a lockdowner. if it dawns on anyone the mistake they’ve made, they’d have to get out. he may well have realised. I doubt he confines himself to the BBC and guardian

244282 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #550 of 1760 🔗

The question is: when is Boris going? A few months ago Cummings’s father ‘leaked’ a comment to a newspaper that Boris will leave by the end of the year….

244310 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #551 of 1760 🔗

There appears to be nothing of substance to that story whatever, just the hack pack repeating Laura Kuenssberg
“Dom is going !”
simply because he did not repudiate a blog entry from January saying he planned to have made himself redundant by Xmas.

244778 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DJ Dod, #552 of 1760 🔗

Cue Barbara Streisand singing ‘The way we were’. Boohoohoo.

244234 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 7, #553 of 1760 🔗

Respiratory conditions fallen off a cliff in the RCGP RSC network:

244248 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 2, #554 of 1760 🔗

This chart must be coming from Putin!
No No IT CAN’T BE RIGHT….
Nooooooooo

244300 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan, 2, #555 of 1760 🔗

Presumably there is a graph somewhere with covid on it, speeding skywards…

244326 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to A. Contrarian, #556 of 1760 🔗

.

245192 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan, #558 of 1760 🔗

Influenza-like illnesses. FFS!

244236 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 34, #559 of 1760 🔗

Workplaces Could Bar Anti-Vaxxers If They Refuse Covid Jab, Tory MP Says

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/coronavirus-vaccine-work-tugendhat-tories_uk_5fad5e8fc5b635e9de9fe488

Anti-vaxxers who reject a safe coronavirus jab may not be allowed back into their physical workplace by their employers, a senior Tory MP has said.

  1. Why are they so desperate to force people to take this?
  2. Prove it is safe!!
  3. Surely if it is so effective, people who take the jab will be immune from C19, right? So what’s the fucking problem?
244249 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #560 of 1760 🔗

‘safe’ is fine. I’ve had all my jabs and lots for travelling too. get back to me when you have 5 years data

244308 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to steve_w, 13, #561 of 1760 🔗

Indeed. I’m not particularly eager to have this jab because I don’t see the point, covid is incredibly unlikely to harm me.

However, if it had been thoroughly tested over a proper timeframe and a country that I needed to visit made it a condition of entry, I’d weigh up the risks/benefits and probably have it.

The rushed development and suggestions that it should be compulsory to participate in normal life in my own country are what alarm me.

245037 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #562 of 1760 🔗

A proper time frame is 5 to 10 years. As soon as you have the jab you will be giving your assent to the possibility of it becoming compulsory.

244251 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 18, #563 of 1760 🔗

The vaccine, none of them, make people immune. This is all political hard-line COVID Bollocks posturing.

244261 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 8, #564 of 1760 🔗

Ahhh Tom Tuggen-Hat.
The hight priest of Toxic Tory Tuatology.

244302 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 3, #565 of 1760 🔗

Or Nazi for short!

244314 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, 1, #566 of 1760 🔗

Labour would be better would they?

(I didn’t vote at the last election.)

244320 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 4, #567 of 1760 🔗

No labour would not be better. All I am saying is Tom Tuggen-Hat is one toxic lying bastard.

244392 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 4, #568 of 1760 🔗

Another Reservist who thinks he’s a Regular. (TT that is)

244464 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 4, #569 of 1760 🔗

As a long-time Labour voter, I have to say ‘No’.

Starmer was manouevered into place as the safe establishment alternative to Johnson. Whatever Corbyn’s faults (and this isn’t a promo for him), the important point wasn’t his politics (fairly ordinary social democratic in terms of the post-war spectrum), it was that he was not on the same page as the underlying agenda that we have seen emerging under the Covid regime.

Thus the full weight of the propaganda machine was brought to bear, with the now commonly recognized techniques of falsification and omission (see the Groan coverage for vivid illustration of the establishment agenda).

Since his election, Starmer has fulfilled his inherited role in a multitude of ways, so that a future Labour government is no threat to the establishment agenda.

This puts a potential replacement government back in the safe, controlled position that Blair carved out, with a PLP that, as all have noted, has abandoned any real oppositional stance over Covid – to a man/woman.

244529 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to John P, 5, #570 of 1760 🔗

Labour by not opposing the Conservatives lockdown policies is just as complicit.

Never vote for either party again

245439 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Victoria, #571 of 1760 🔗

How about an optional (compulsory) vote for a one party state?
Or just reality tv voting and no pretence of any say in any decision as to your farmed status?

245681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Victoria, #572 of 1760 🔗

Ditto I see very little difference between them anyway. Its all make believe phoney theatre to make us think we live in a democracy.

244642 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to John P, 1, #573 of 1760 🔗

Yes but not with Starmer rather his predecessor

244252 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to captainbeefheart, 20, #574 of 1760 🔗

The more they bully, intimidate and coerce people the more suspicious many will become. I personally no longer have any faith in the government and very little trust in the establishment. Many of these people seem outright evil.

244253 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to captainbeefheart, 19, #575 of 1760 🔗

MP @TomTugendhat wants discrimination in the workplace, restaurants, bars, venues etc

What about people with HIV? Normal flu? Common Cold?

Any other illnesses Tom that you think people should discriminate against?

244279 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 13, #576 of 1760 🔗

Why not test for real dangerous pathogens too?
TB, Meningitis, Noro Virus, errrrr Rabies
why not stop there
drug tests,
STD tests
ummmm
Psychological profiling tests
lie detector tests
a test of values and beliefs
tests of morality levels

No sorry you failed the entry tests. Next please.
FFS

244373 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Two-Six, 3, #577 of 1760 🔗

You can take rabies off the list as it’s not infectious between humans.

244425 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to p02099003, 2, #578 of 1760 🔗

Don’t be taking the government’s excuses away from them. I can see a future lockdown being based on an escaped prisoner who has rabies and is highly contagious. Everyone in (Area X) must stay at home.

244466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 2, #579 of 1760 🔗

what if you are bitten by a zombie?

244457 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Two-Six, 4, #580 of 1760 🔗

Especially Tuberculosis. That disease is still endemic in the countries from where a huge number of immigrants originate. Most NHS staff would tell you that.

244295 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Victoria, 3, #581 of 1760 🔗

TB and measles are two that spring to mind, both much more dangerous especially to children.

How about not allowing HIV positive people into nightclubs, in case they get carried away and “spread” it?

245442 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to A. Contrarian, #582 of 1760 🔗

HIV is not an infectious disease.
Covid is based on much that was run out as HIV.
However, don’t let me pop your bubble!

244301 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Victoria, 4, #583 of 1760 🔗

Just proves it should be mandated for MPs.

244316 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to DRW, 6, #584 of 1760 🔗

No, only the ones who vocally insist we should all have it. Obviously this specimen is a case in point. Front of queue for you my lad. You can have mine or my NHS keyworker son’s.

244256 ▶▶ Julian, replying to captainbeefheart, 24, #585 of 1760 🔗

They are desperate for people to take it because if nobody does then they cannot exit from this without looking like idiots

Sadly few of the sceptic bodies that I am aware of are taking up the fight on the vaccine – only Dolan really. The rest are being a bit soft. We need to seize the narrative on this because as far as I know the vaccine has NOT been measured for its effectiveness in reducing how infectious you are therefore any claims that need to vaccinate to protect others are speculative

244290 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 8, #586 of 1760 🔗

As I understand it the vaccine does not make takers immune, it just lessens the symptoms; you remain potentially infectious.

244365 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 10, #587 of 1760 🔗

Indeed. They have now changed their tune – in the past the vaccine was supposed to prevent the illness. With the so-called covid vaccine (that changes your genetics forever), they sell it as reducing the symptoms.

When considering whether to get this vaccine, people will have to weigh up the reducing of symptoms against the side effects, the fact that most people do not even notice that they got it, the survival rate of 99.7% and your genetics will have been tampered with forever with unknown ‘results’.

**Always do your own independent research before deciding whether to take a vaccine or prescribed drug and then make an informed decision whether to take it or not**

245447 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 1, #588 of 1760 🔗

That’s the good news. Infectious humans must be vax-managed.
Immunity is built in. The fear and reactive defences all undermine it (us).

244271 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #589 of 1760 🔗

Okay. If you have one meal under one hair hanging a heavy sword

244284 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #590 of 1760 🔗

Will each employer have to provide a risk assessment as with masks?

244288 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to karenovirus, 3, #591 of 1760 🔗

Why not? Sounds like more of a waste of money.

They could just fit air-con units with UV filters to kill off airborne viruses, that would probably be more effective…

244473 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #592 of 1760 🔗

Strong UV lights in the toilets, set to come on when no motion is detected in the room and to go off when anyone enters the room; plus UV inserts in the water supply and aircon (as before).

Would do more good than most of the suggestions for forced medication.

244289 ▶▶ John P, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #593 of 1760 🔗

Whether is is “safe” or not is entirely besides the point.

If you don’t want it (if and when “it” becomes available) then just say no.

You don’t have to justify your choices in life.

244438 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 3, #594 of 1760 🔗

Until it becomes necessary to use public transport, enter a public park, go to hospital, travel abroad, go to a concert etc etc etc.

244291 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #595 of 1760 🔗

Who determines whether or not it is safe? A comparison to the usual timeline of vaccine development is pretty damning,

244304 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #596 of 1760 🔗

If you die or get disabled it is for the greater good!

244292 ▶▶ DRW, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #597 of 1760 🔗

No surprises at all, Australia has already announced a No Jab, No Job policy.
And oh any refuser is an anti-vaxxer now, good old made for MSM strawmanning.

244296 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #598 of 1760 🔗

Fight it don’t give in!

244371 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #599 of 1760 🔗

It’s called coercion and is illegal. In international law, too.

244389 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #600 of 1760 🔗

I’ve emailed the guy:

I am not an anti-vaxxer, but I am reluctant to take a “vaccine” that has not been through the usual testing regime and safeguards. I refer you to the failure of the Swine Flu vaccine in the Far East, another example of a rushed vaccine, and Thalidomide, an example of poor testing.

The assumption that people who are not vaccinated are somehow a threat to those who are, exposes the logical fallacy in your argument for coercing people into taking this “vaccine”. If people have taken it, presumably they are protected. If not, then what is the point in taking the vaccine?

I hope you realise coercing people into an unwanted medical intervention is illegal under international law. I can only conclude that your view coincides with that of some uncomfortable bedfellows. Given your surname, I find this surprising, to say the least.

We do not forget.

245028 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #601 of 1760 🔗

Do not allow the members of parliament inside until all of them have had a jab.

244240 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #602 of 1760 🔗

When this is over and the advisors and associated nutters are in hiding, we will need one of these

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most-wanted_Iraqi_playing_cards

maybe list the top 52 (will be a struggle keeping it to that), some sort of vote, and get the cards procured in time for xmas.

244264 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #603 of 1760 🔗

warming to the theme, what about top trumps

Chris Witty
special skills – sweating
weakness – extrapolation
fear factor – off the scale

244241 Lermontosser, replying to Lermontosser, -8, #604 of 1760 🔗

What the F happened to you “Libertarians”? Huddled around your on-line cocoa like a bunch of oppressed fishwives, moaning. Buckle down, rail at “Party” Patel et al, stick your nappies on your face and do whatever it takes to get back to your freedoms…. or break the law….which I am afraid to point out, you have little influence over despite screeds of doctrinaire faff posted here. We all take risks, its like crossing the road, bolloxing our livers or hunting tigers..go on, be free. Toby, Get a grip, this mob have become the moaning minnies you so deplore…..and you’re fast becoming one yourself

244331 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lermontosser, 4, #605 of 1760 🔗

Which “libertarians” are these?

And to which “mob” do you refer?

244333 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lermontosser, #606 of 1760 🔗

Eh?

244362 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lermontosser, 4, #607 of 1760 🔗

You do know defence cuts always follow a good job done by the Armed Forces for the government don’t you? How many will get paid off this time? How’s the weather in Berkshire today? Unlikely to reach 77 degrees F, methinks.

244260 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 15, #608 of 1760 🔗

I’m having a mask exempt day in London tomorrow. What fun things can I do? My first thought is to go to Trafalgar Square and shout “End the lockdown.”

244273 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to PatrickF, 5, #609 of 1760 🔗

put a mask and tin-foil hat on Nelson’s statue

244286 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to PatrickF, 10, #610 of 1760 🔗

When the “swervers” run out into the road or try to climb a wall to avoid you, just walk closer to em; endless fun.

244367 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #611 of 1760 🔗

We love that game too

244278 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 7, #612 of 1760 🔗

Re: the economic impact, did they lie to Parliament? I know many MPs couldn’t care a monkey’s tit about ruining and enslaving the public, but surely this affront to their collective dignity cannot be allowed to pass without challenge?

244617 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bugle, 1, #613 of 1760 🔗

I fired off a response to my MP (Labour) who obviously voted for the Lockdown last week, needless to say I shoved in a few choice stats that showed them up. Also included some info from Prof. Allyson Pollock, who did a good job on the BBC trashing the test’s suitability for mass screening, and pointing out it does not diagnose infections, nor does it identify infectious people.
Quite obviously not expecting a lot to come of it but on the other hand – sooner or later one or two more MPS will surely have to face facts that they have been sold a lemon..

244285 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #614 of 1760 🔗

My local wildlife park has sent its annual email today inviting us to book animal experiences etc for Christmas gifts. Strange, I thought, they’re obviously closed at the moment and it seems unlikely they will be able to reopen much before Christmas.

Then I saw the small print: Due to lockdown, we are only taking bookings for Christmas 2021…

244363 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #615 of 1760 🔗

Pity that. I can think of a few people who would benefit enormously from an animal experience with, say, an underfed Bengal tiger – it might help them regain a sense of proportion as to what is and what isn’t dangerous.

244616 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, #616 of 1760 🔗

It would be good for the tiger too. And make a great spectacle. Like that robot thing that belonged to the Sultan of Mysore, only real.

244293 Quernus, 14, #617 of 1760 🔗

Just a thought about the ads now appearing below the line, as well as all the ads on Twitter, Facebook, etc. They don’t bother me at all, as it’s a way of monetising this site – and if it helps Toby keep going with this invaluable resource and platform, I’m all for it.

However, I’m equally for reporting ads when they are advertising masks, or anything which supports the current narrative, as offensive, misleading or fake news . It’s worth a few seconds of your time, and it sends a message in the language that social media understands.

244297 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #618 of 1760 🔗

Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste

Changing the cycle threshold from 40 cycles to 35 cycles eliminated about 43% of the positive results. Limiting it to 30 cycles eliminated a whopping 63%.

.

A positive test is NOT a “case” — As explained by Dr. Lee Merritt in her August 2020 Doctors for Disaster Preparedness lecture, featured in “ How Medical Technocracy Made the Plandemic Possible ,” media and public health officials appear to have purposefully conflated “cases” or positive tests with the actual illness.

Medically speaking, a “case” refers to a sick person. It never ever referred to someone who had no symptoms of illness. Now all of a sudden, this well-established medical term, “case,” has been completely and arbitrarily redefined to mean someone who tested positive for the presence of viral RNA. As noted by Merritt, “That is not epidemiology. That’s fraud.”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/13/covid-19-testing.aspx

244317 ▶▶ John P, replying to Victoria, 11, #619 of 1760 🔗

In the summer Prof Carl Heneghan recommended 24 cycles.

Covid testing is the means by which Johnson and his criminal cartel justify lockdown. To them it is extremely useful, so it will go on.

244375 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Victoria, 7, #620 of 1760 🔗

Yep.
Even Fauci stated that above 35 the result is useless.
The UK, Germany&co all use 40+.
Nothing is standardized here yet, after 9 months!
Some tests search for the E gene sequence only instead of for the 2 others too, some omit the necessary confirmation phase after the search phase.
The primers seem to be important for the variance of results top.
Australia allegedly only uses 24 cycles, the NFL only 30: resulting in zero Covid.
But they know all that.
They know that the vaccines are rubbish, just reducing symptoms in a few cases, if at all, not infections.
As such, they are completely useless for countries with a zero Covid strategy-New Zealand, OZ, Scotland&co can never open up their borders and forego the concentration camp quarantines for inbound traffic on the basis of these vaccines. At most, they protect their own citizens travelling abroad a bit better from stronger symptoms if they caught it.
But these vaccines are their, and the brainwashed public’s, only way out of this.
So, they have to combine them with the only tool that can and will indeed end the plandemic: the PCR test, standardized as per the above and down to 24+/-cycles.
That way, they can credit the objectively useless vaccines, justify their disastrous lockdowns to wait for them strategies, continue to pursue their total control agendas and save face.
And unless we can expose this and that exposure surprisingly gained traction, they will write the history as such and most people will believe it.
Up until the catastrophes actually occur, the hyperinflations, sovereign debt defaults, depression and vaccine related damages and deaths.

244439 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #621 of 1760 🔗

Nothing is standardized here yet, after 9 months!”

… which is a give-away. Only a fraudulent procedure would ignore such an obvious flaw. Actions (or lack of) speak louder than words.

244303 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 9, #622 of 1760 🔗

Now that scumbag Cummings has ****ed off, will the CPS get off of their arse and prosecute this slippery b*5tard for dangerous driving?

Evidence? He admitted live on national television that he went for a drive to test his eyes with his kids in the car and that any father would have done the same thing.

At least take his driving licence away!!

Are CPS staff too busy preparing prosecutions for vaccine deniers, gym owners, pubs, hairdressers and other small businesses that are just trying to feed their families and employ their staff?

Or have they all been furloughed because justice is no longer considered an essential service?

244312 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 11, #623 of 1760 🔗

I just thought of a new three-word advertising slogan…

Arrest. Convict. Imprison

244453 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #624 of 1760 🔗

Except you can probably cut out the middle word

244468 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #625 of 1760 🔗

I like that a lot.

244328 ▶▶ Julian, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #626 of 1760 🔗

Well, if his prosecution serves to highlight the obvious fact that those in charge are not taking this seriously and reminds people that the piss is beng taken, then great, but it will probably turn out, like last time, to just be a huge distraction from the important business at hand.

244361 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 5, #627 of 1760 🔗

I agree. They want us to look at anything and everything other than the stats and the erosion of liberty. Look, Cummings! Look, non-news about a vaccine that is nowhere near ready and impossible to roll out! Look, it’s not fair that some shops can open and others can’t! All smoke and mirrors.

244309 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 7, #628 of 1760 🔗
244321 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to peyrole, 8, #629 of 1760 🔗

Glad I voted for Bill Gates in the last election. I think whatever party you put your cross next to, indirectly you were voting for people like this.

So 100% of voters basically voted for Bill Gates, make him King!

244325 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to captainbeefheart, #630 of 1760 🔗

No.

I didn’t vote.

244330 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to John P, 1, #631 of 1760 🔗

“Well you don’t count then” is the usual answer you get from people when you tell them this.

(I don’t agree by the way)

244343 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to John P, 2, #632 of 1760 🔗

When I have not wanted to choose a particular candidate, I have gone to the polling station and written “none of the above” and followed with an explanation of why. I understand that the candidates have to be shown all spoiled ballots. I know they’ll barely glance but it makes me feel better

244324 ▶▶ John P, replying to peyrole, 1, #633 of 1760 🔗

It’s still not Gates’ decision.

Are you seeking to excuse Johnson by pointing fingers at creepy Gates?

244332 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 6, #634 of 1760 🔗

Johnson could very easily tell Gates to fuck off if he wanted to.

Johnson doesn’t tell Gates where to go because he likes vaccines, not because Gates is controlling him.

244356 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to John P, 4, #635 of 1760 🔗

Indeed. Buck stops totally with him. He wanted the big job so now he must take the responsibility.
If by some miracle he realises that Dom has been pushing him too far and reduces measures we mustn’t ever forget or forgive. He has been lazy, uncritical and weak. He must be disappeared from public office forever.

244357 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to John P, 4, #636 of 1760 🔗

He also likes money, as we heard weeks ago, that he couldn’t manage on his 150k. He has literally sold his country, talk about an antithesis of his hero. I never knew I could despise someone much – what an objectional human he is.

244345 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to John P, 3, #637 of 1760 🔗

Don’t know how you made that illogical jump. Johnson is just out for glory as a ‘world leader’ ( ho ho). I find it disgusting that he is willing, eager to ruin the country in support of his personal agenda which is now clearly in focus.
But we have to realise that there are many, even maybe a majority in support of his actions. They see Gates as a wonderful philanthropist, just giving away his wealth for the benefit of everyone. We do not control the narrative, ‘they’ do, and until that changes we are continually running behind.
Unfortunately if a rather brash NY real estate guy who got to be POTUS can’t change it, we have a very long hard fight that may in the end be futile.

244369 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to peyrole, 3, #638 of 1760 🔗

Johnson is just out for glory as a ‘world leader’

Thats the conclusion that I’m coming to. Just like many ruthlessly ambitious leaders (for e.g. Blair, Obama). Once they’ve been elected by the Proles, the next goal is to become an internationally revered statesman etc. How many times does Al Johnson say he wants the UK to be world leading in climate change, vaccines, test and trace etc. What he actually means is that HE wants to be perceived as the world leader in these things.

Boris Johnson: ‘The boy who wanted to be world king’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-49088773

244347 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to peyrole, 4, #639 of 1760 🔗

Note the remark to overcome ‘ vaccine hesitancy’. Send shivers down your spine? So he has decided that no normal will return until, at best, 2021. Why is no-one asking how he can determine this ( rhetoric question).

244430 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nsklent, 8, #640 of 1760 🔗

‘Vaccine hesitancy’ = ‘intelligence’.

… the last quality a totalitarian government wants amongst its population.

244483 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nsklent, 1, #641 of 1760 🔗

They may combine it with “climate change denialism” because we don’t want sense prevailing

244794 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, #642 of 1760 🔗

He has become a Dictator. Depose him.

244318 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #643 of 1760 🔗

Just heard that Peter Sutcliffe aka the Yorkshire Ripper has died of you know what.

244341 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 26, #644 of 1760 🔗

It is a tragedy, every life is precious. A stark warning indeed that we need to all double our efforts to eliminate this killer disease. Our thoughts and prayers are with Pete tonight, He was the people’s serial killer and will remain in our hearts forever.

244612 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to dickyboy, #645 of 1760 🔗

He didnmt. dieof you know what. He died of heart disease but tested positive for Covvie. See later posts.

244346 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #646 of 1760 🔗

Old age????

244366 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to stefarm, #647 of 1760 🔗

In his seventies I think but good old underlying health conditions were also mentioned.

244441 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #648 of 1760 🔗

74.

244349 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #649 of 1760 🔗

Hope it was painful.

244351 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #650 of 1760 🔗

Probably “With it”

244368 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #651 of 1760 🔗

Yip. The report mentioned underlying health conditions.

244380 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #652 of 1760 🔗

Do you think GWKC, that eventually everybody will have Covid on their death certificates even if they were run over by a bus?

244626 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Fingerache Philip., #653 of 1760 🔗

Happening now will probably continue.

244370 ▶▶ steph, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 5, #654 of 1760 🔗

Admitted to hospital with a heart problem and a negative test. Tested again later and positive. Died of whatever his heart problem was with a positive test.
Glad to see the hospitals are as good at controlling infection as they ever were, if his positive test was real that is.

244399 ▶▶ leggy, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #655 of 1760 🔗

Of, not with I note.

244327 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #656 of 1760 🔗

The news that Dominic Cummings has handed in his notice mean that the sceptics are winning and the end is getting nearer?

244338 ▶▶ peter charles, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #657 of 1760 🔗

here’s hoping

244377 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #658 of 1760 🔗

If he was one of those pushing hardest for lockdown then it may help though I fear not much, and it may just prove a big distraction as he is such a divisive figure

244390 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #659 of 1760 🔗

I hope so. I have always viewed him with concern and welcome his resignation. But I’ll believe it when I see it. He’s promised to bugger off several times before and then not done it.

244535 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to guy153, #660 of 1760 🔗

Laura Kuenssbergs report seems to be based entirely on Dom not retracting from a blog post of January, nothing new, no resignation statement.

244419 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #661 of 1760 🔗

Bad smells don’t go away until the cause is removed.

Cummings has been an over-promoted disaster who thinks a lot of himself ever since he emergeed blinking into the light under Gove at education.

244435 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #662 of 1760 🔗

I don’t think he will go. He’s said it before. Only if he resigned with immediate effect would it make a jot of difference

244474 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, #663 of 1760 🔗

It means his brainwashing treatments on Boris are almost complete

244336 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 14, #664 of 1760 🔗

I just watched a woman get out a white van and go to my neighbour’s house. Face nappy on…A pink cloth one.
She actually pulled down the sleeve of her jumper over her hand so she could safely push the fuckin door bell. She is now having a socially distanced chat with the neighbour.
FFS

244350 ▶▶ peter charles, replying to Two-Six, 9, #665 of 1760 🔗

the two tables have been removed from outside my local cafe, Bare Coffee, due to a neighbours threat to get them fined

244382 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to peter charles, 10, #666 of 1760 🔗

They have my sympathies. Seems snitching is wide-spread.

244623 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to kh1485, #667 of 1760 🔗

Probably the same people who heavily criticise the German democratic re public, China etc.

244471 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to peter charles, 6, #668 of 1760 🔗

If these neighbours believe in their convictions they would have no problem having a large photograph of their face in the window saying they were the ones who informed the police or council.

Such bravery and righteousness should always be celebrated

244358 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Two-Six, 5, #669 of 1760 🔗

Well despite her best neurotic efforts, isn’t she breaking the law that she probably vehemently supports by congregating with somebody in a private front garden?

244344 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #670 of 1760 🔗

“We are taking these measures to protect the old and vulnerable”
Strange that my 95 year old mother in law has not even been offered her “normal” flu jab this year.
Myself and my wife, both 71 literally had to keeping asking to have ours done and I honestly think that we “just got em in time” before the stocks ran out.
We have had flu jabs every year since we were 60.
Seems to me that if you die or suffer from anything else apart from Covid, it doesn’t matter.

244415 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #671 of 1760 🔗

That was always going to be the problem when your health was made subordinate to Public Health some years ago.

244796 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #672 of 1760 🔗

We allowed Public Health to get away with this, Feel ashamed, then do something about it.

244348 AN other lockdown sceptic, 15, #673 of 1760 🔗

Remember that weird and scary tweet / short film from the WEF from a few weeks ago?

The one about not owning property etc.

Guess what. It’s gone down the memory hole (along with other stuff). Its not a conspiracy theory. Its in your face. The globalist party of Davos blob are trolling us.

Imagine no possessions: Watch the deleted World Economic Forum 2030 video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt0c-di1MSA

244353 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #674 of 1760 🔗

UK PM Meets With Bill Gates To Discuss Implementing “Global” Vaccine Program
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-pm-meets-bill-gates-discuss-implementing-global-vaccine-program

244383 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #675 of 1760 🔗

And to discuss how to eliminate “vaccine hesitancy.”

The noose tightens.

244391 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Stuart, 6, #676 of 1760 🔗

“vaccine hesitancy.”

Indeed. And yet another creepy buzz-phrase emerges.

244414 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #677 of 1760 🔗

Addressing ‘vaccine hesitancy’ is the primary raison d’être of GAVI.
Gates funds the WHO directly, and is intimately involved with GAVI.
And GAVI funds the WHO.
“Gavi’s impact draws on the strengths of its core partners, the World Health Organization, UNICEF, the World Bank and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and plays a critical role in strengthening primary health care (PHC), bringing us closer to the Sustainable Development Goal (SDG) of Universal Health Coverage (UHC), ensuring that no one is left behind.
Gavi also works with donors, including sovereign governments, private sector foundations and corporate partners; NGOs, advocacy groups, professional and community associations, faith-based organisations and academia; vaccine manufacturers, including those in emerging markets; research and technical health institutes; and developing country governments.”

Typical GAVI blurb:-

“Our survey also found that several other behavioural and demographic factors were associated with vaccine acceptance.
For instance, we asked participants about the level of their anxieties related to the pandemic, such as being more worried about catching or passing on the virus. A one point increase in their pandemic-related anxiety score (on a scale of one to four) increased the odds of vaccine acceptance by 36%.
In a separate question, we also asked respondents to give a percentage score for how likely they thought it was that they would catch COVID-19. A 10% increase in a person’s perceived risk of catching the disease increased the odds of them accepting the vaccine by 12%.”

Hence the Nudge Unit set to work….

244431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #678 of 1760 🔗

Well if they stick to nudging, I don’t mind. No way it will make a jot of difference to me, whatever they say.

244436 ▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #679 of 1760 🔗

Thanks for this, they certainly aren’t shy about admitting to using fear as a weapon. Reminds me of this gem that came from a SAGE meeting:

Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures – 22 March 2020
Persuasion

Perceived threat:

A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened ; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group (8), although levels of concern may be rising (9). Having a good understanding of the risk has been found to be positively associated with adoption of COVID-19 social distancing measures in Hong Kong (10).

The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging. To be effective this must also empower people by making clear the actions they can take to reduce the threat (11).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22-march-2020

244807 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to G.Fawkes, #680 of 1760 🔗

S.A.G.E. advice straight from The Horse’s Mouth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Horse%27s_Mouth

244445 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #681 of 1760 🔗

Using Fear and viral terror as a method of ADVERTISING…
FFS
Bastards

244603 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #682 of 1760 🔗

Yep. Mind you, does that mean someone who has “vaccine hesitancy” is the opposite of a “human immune system denier?”

244641 ▶▶ stewart, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #683 of 1760 🔗

And we wonder why western democracy is in decline.

I’m sure the fact that being seriously rich with a pseudo philanthropic agenda gets you access and influence isn’t helping.

244359 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 14, #684 of 1760 🔗

“The Government suppressed an official report that proved there were issues with rapid antibody tests purchased by the Department of Health. Leaked emails reveal the Government blocked Public Health England from publishing their findings until after they could make an announcement that they had purchased one million antibody tests from Abingdon Health.”

The purchase of one million antibody tests from Abingdon Health has been shrouded in mystery, but what we do know lays bare serious failings in Government procurement.

The Government supported the creation of the UK Rapid Test Consortium (UK-RTC) back in April. The idea was that the companies and institutions involved, including Abingdon Health, would create a rapid antibody test. On 2nd June, Government awarded a contract worth £10million to Abingdon Health for the materials needed to produce the test. On 14th August, they handed Abingdon Health another contract worth a staggering £75million.
Despite these huge sums of money, Government seems to have ignored widely held concerns that these tests were not fit for purpose. So a £75million contract was awarded without competition, on the basis of profoundly flawed research. And when confronted with evidence of these flaws Government tried to suppress publication of that evidence.
These are serious charges and we have set out the publicly available evidence in this chronology, which we will update as more evidence is published.
To protect public money and to seek to encourage Government towards honesty, we have issued judicial review proceedings in respect of the Abingdon Health contract awards. Our case rests on the following grounds:

  • Government’s apparent failure to conduct any lawful or sufficient inquiry or evaluation of the accuracy of the rapid antibody tests.
  • The award of these contracts seemingly without any advertisement or competition between bidders

The details:
Good Law Project has instructed Joseph Barrett of 11KBW Chambers and Rook Irwin Sweeney. They will work considerably below market rates. 10% of the funds raised will be a contribution to the general running costs of Good Law Project. We will use any surplus to develop other litigation.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/abingdon-health/

244422 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #685 of 1760 🔗

Actually, not much money £95million, in the current scheme of things. Also just evidence of panic and carelessness and incompetence. This is the sort of thing that will interest Keir Starmer and doesn’t help the current predicament one jot.
Sorry, feeling (even more) cynical today

244611 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jo, #686 of 1760 🔗

I think u mean should interest Stalin keir but it doesn’t.

244812 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich, #687 of 1760 🔗

Keir Stalin.

244378 John P, replying to John P, 1, #688 of 1760 🔗

Some practical suggestions for those who think that creepy Gates* controls the world.

Johnson has met with Gates. Okay. What does that prove? Some say it proves that Gates controls Johnson.

Does it?

Could it not just as easily prove that Johnson controls Gates?

I think it far more likely that it proves neither, they are simply both on the same page when it comes to vaccines.

BUT if you have hard evidence that Johnson is controlled by Gates then publish it or direct people to where it has been published.

I get so annoyed by this. It’s all very well making these sort of “connections” or “joining the dots” as some put it on this site, where a lot of people believe this. But almost everyone here is vehemently against lockdown and everything associated with it.

If we want to influence people outside of this box then we need to provide concrete arguments to back up our assertions. Not simply saying, “Look, Johnson met Gates, so Gates rules the world!” Their meeting together proves nothing.

You can’t do anything about Gates. He’s an American living in America. You can do something about Johnson. At least in theory he can be removed at the next election.

* or the arguably even more creepy Claus Schwab

244394 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to John P, 19, #689 of 1760 🔗

I get so annoyed by this.

lol, we can tell. If I left my house, drove to the airport, flew to Sydney, Australia, rented a car, drove 29 hours to the outback, hid behind Ayers Rock and then whispered the words “ Bill Gates is involved… ” I feel like I’d turn around and you’d be there.

244395 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to John P, 6, #690 of 1760 🔗

Just get them to read this book by Johnson’s dad:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Virus-Stanley-Johnson/dp/1913606309/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=johnson+the+virus&qid=1605266295&sr=8-1

And wait for the invevitable ‘What The Actual Fuck?’

244417 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #691 of 1760 🔗

Prescient? Except it’s about a deadly novel disease

244459 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Jo, 3, #692 of 1760 🔗

Anyone who reads it gets “deadly novel disease”. Prose like that inevitably leads to the death of literature. (And there are millions of “cases” of unsold books in warehouses around the world to prove it!)

244401 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 13, #693 of 1760 🔗

I think John P puts some good points here. Maybe rather than downvoting him, provide some arguments.

We may never know the extent to which Gates has influenced things, but I really don’t think it matters very much right now and the question is whether making references to him helps or hinders our cause. If you’re putting the case to someone who doesn’t like Gates or is suspicious of him then it might help it, but I guarantee you if I start there with my neighbour, who is probably about to lose his business because of this crap, he will switch off, whereas if I tell him that mortality is normal for the time of year he might start to listen.

244481 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to John P, 5, #694 of 1760 🔗

I think that talking of who controls who is besides the point; there are no leaders of movements in that sense. It is enough to recognise that certain groups of people gather in meetings and appear to be of the same mind, or at least having the same types of conversations.

Knowing the list of people who are “of common purpose” (as Rishi Sunak recently put it in his WEF piece) allows us to be cautious of their vague claims and justifications when their actions seem to proceed in the same general direction, in synchrony.

Perhaps it makes more sense to just say “what is happening is what is happening” and not get lost in trying to understand the background mechanics of it.

Lockdowns, social distancing, masks, economic transformation, deaths, misleading information — these things are happening and have been happening for some time. It is enough to simply conclude that these actions and their dire outcomes are the intention and the result, and that those who make decisions and have conversations about them share those intentions and the desire for those results.

If there is a larger singular vision or just fragmented opportunism at play, it doesn’t necessarily matter; it may not be something that can be reduced to an easy narrative or conceptualisation, or usefully so. The actions now are group-based, and are negative regardless of what they might be intended to lead to or what additional things they are enabling.

244816 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Arkansas, #695 of 1760 🔗

Who is Number One? You are.

244631 ▶▶ stewart, replying to John P, 3, #696 of 1760 🔗

Hilarious post.

You’d be a jew on a train to Auschwitz asking if anyone had any hard proof that they were being taken to be exterminated, or was it just hearsay and supposition.

244379 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 5, #697 of 1760 🔗

Ditch the test! Ditch the test!

Yardley Yeadon
@MichaelYeadon3

See how you’ve been lied to. Happy? If not, find a way to signal your disapproval.

A medical diagnostic test so badly characterised that it should immediately be withdrawn.

Campaign for that, immediate withdrawal, and you’ll get your freedom back Inside 3 weeks.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/10.1001/jamainternmed.2020.7570?guestAccessKey=26a817a5-2e73-4c00-9fc8-42493feb1b6e&utm_source=silverchair&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_alert-jamainternalmedicine&utm_content=olf&utm_term=111220

244407 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #698 of 1760 🔗

Can’t access it

244559 ▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Jo, #699 of 1760 🔗

The bottom line;

Only 1 of 32 patients retesting positive had replicating virus in the NOS sample, suggesting either recurrent infection or reinfection, which is impossible to separate because no whole-genome sequencing and phylogenetic analyses were performed. 3 The patient retested positive 16 days after COVID-19 recovery (ie, 39 days from COVID-19 diagnosis) and was symptomatic. The patient was an older adult with hypertension, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease but no evidence of close contacts with people with SARS-CoV-2 infection or persons who became RT-PCR positive. In the 31 remaining patients (who were asymptomatic), their positive result likely represented either recurrent or resolving infection, but in either case, they were unlikely to be infectious.

244385 captainbeefheart, 6, #700 of 1760 🔗

George Carlin – It’s A BIG Club & You Ain’t In It!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyvxt1svxso

244393 Sim18, replying to Sim18, 2, #701 of 1760 🔗

Does anyone know of a good summary of rights and responsibilities should the police stop a person under the Coronavirus Act?

Reading the “Jailed by Covid Stasi..” article, I’m puzzled how an FPN for obstructing could be issued. If the person had been considered potentially infectious then, yes, that probably would be an offence but that would require a public health official to be present (except in extreme cases) – the NPCC is very clear about that.

Which bit of the Coronavirus Act would be the basis of the FPN?

244396 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sim18, 2, #702 of 1760 🔗

It’s the SIs that enabled by the Public Health 1984 act that contain most of the restrictions

244400 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Julian, 1, #703 of 1760 🔗

And on that topic what on earth is delaying the ruling on Simon Nolan’s judicial review?

244410 ▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to steph, 4, #704 of 1760 🔗

I have a theory that the ruling is against lockdowns, but to announce such a judgement would overturn a current government decision and therefore would be perceived as an interference in governmental process.

244412 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 5, #705 of 1760 🔗

Therefore the ruling will be delayed to 1 December?

244524 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ozzie, #706 of 1760 🔗

Isn’t that what JRs are supposed to do?

244555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #707 of 1760 🔗

Take a look here, particularly under the heading “The courts are already reluctant to consider the merits of policy decisions”. The issue falls firmly into the “economic and national security decisions” unfortunately.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/judicial-review-abused-conduct-politics-another-means

244601 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to steph, 1, #708 of 1760 🔗

There are complex legal arguments. I can’t predict the outcome but any Judgement that goes against the government or for it on fact will be the subject of an appeal. The Judgement has to be legally watertight.

244446 ▶▶▶ Sim18, replying to Julian, 1, #709 of 1760 🔗

Yes, Statutory Instrument (2020) 1200 being the main one. The CPS guidance is: “Where an authorised person reasonably believes that an offence has been committed by an offender over the age of 18 they may issue a fixed penalty notice (FPN).”.
Hard to see what offence was committed. Can’t be indoor gathering as exception under part 3, 11(3)(a) “for work purposes or for the provision of voluntary or charitable services;”.

What I can’t find is if refusing to give name is considered obstruction.

244489 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sim18, 3, #710 of 1760 🔗

FPNs are illegal under the Bill of Rights 1689. A person can only be fined after conviction. The Bill of Rights has never been repealed and is no dead letter. It was referred to only last year in the Supreme Court’s judgement on the prorogation of parliament issue.

244526 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Sim18, 2, #711 of 1760 🔗

You are obliged to give your name and address only if you have been arrested, or if you are the driver (not passenger) in a vehicle.

Under all other circumstances, you may refuse. They have a habit of unlawfully searching people to find ID but this should always result in a civil lawsuit.

244777 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Sim18, #712 of 1760 🔗

Refusing to give your name is not obstruction. The police have certain laws under which they can arrest to ascertain a person’s identity, but if it turns out that the reason for the arrest is unlawful, then it’s compo time.

The average payout for unlawful arrest, assault and battery (all three go together for an unlawful arrest) is about £3000. Everyone should pursue this to the end, as otherwise they won’t stop. One “Photography Auditor” (they might be chumps but they are within their rights) made so many successful civil complaints that an inspector ran out of the police station to stop an idiot DC from challenging this bloke, hilariously sending the errant DC back into the station before this bloke took another £3K off the Constabulary..

Although their insurance is responsible for most of the payout, like anyone else there’s an excess which the Constabulary has to pay, and the premiums rise next year like anyone else who makes a lot of claims on their policy. YouTube refers.

244679 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Sim18, 1, #713 of 1760 🔗

mask guidelines
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

MabelCow published this link last week for the regulations. Nowhere is arrest or imprisonment mentioned in the regulations. The penalty is an FPN. Failure to pay ends up with the magistrates, same as a parking FPN. You cant be arrested f or a parking FPN offence which has the same gravity as a CV FPN. The police should be sued for wrongful imprisonment, aggravated harassment etc etc, I hope hope they are

https://www.baffledcow.com/docs/20201103.uksi-2020-1200-made.htm&nbsp ;

244781 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Iansn, #714 of 1760 🔗

Definitely, Iansn.

244783 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sim18, #715 of 1760 🔗

I am not a legal expert and so this is just a layman’s comment but as far as I can make out all the lockdown stuff and facemask stuff are statutory instruments (SIs) made under the Public Health Act 1984. The Coronavirus Act grants all sorts of emergency provisions etc.

For example the Facemask regs are a SI under the Public Health Act 1984
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/contents/made
The SI itself has penalties listed and so I guess a FPN with regard to Facemasks would be classed as being under this SI.
If you obstruct the police in any way then i think that constitutes an offence in its own right.

244397 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 22, #716 of 1760 🔗

Just spotted this in the DT comments to the silly mink piece:

I wonder why this was not reported (or was it and I missed it?) in British media this week?

https://www.rt.com/uk/506443-boris-gates-pharma-vaccines-military/

Boris meets with Bill Gates and 10 Big Pharma reps to work out a global vaccine and pandemic strategy he will take to the next G7 meeting.

To me this is proof that Boris is not an innocent victim of Big Pharma interests but is a willing and significant contributor to their efforts to introduce forced vaccinations, costly preventive programmes, and what amounts to medical tyranny on the population.

Quote from the article:
“UK PM Boris Johnson has met with billionaire vaccine evangelist Bill Gates and 10 Big Pharma CEOs to discuss rolling out the Covid-19 jab and unveil the country’s new Gates-funded plan to “prevent future pandemics.”

The pharmaceutical lovefest, conducted virtually on Tuesday, saw all 10 execs “re-commit” to ensuring fair global access to any successful Covid-19 vaccines in the wake of positive yet vague news about Pfizer’s jab, which has yet to be approved in the UK even as the National Health Service prepares to start vaccinating people as early as December.

During the roundtable, Johnson reaffirmed his commitment to using the UK’s G7 presidency next year to impose a sweeping global health plan developed by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in partnership with the Wellcome Trust in the name of preventing future pandemics. Gates, who lacks a college degree or medical training, praised Johnson for allowing his foundation to craft UK (and potentially global) health policy as the PM restated the Gates Foundation’s five-point plan for the nation’s new “global approach” to “health security.””

244398 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #717 of 1760 🔗

I think enough people see through it all now to put up enough resistance. Ultimately once it affects businesses profits it’ll soon end as that’s all they care about.

244403 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #718 of 1760 🔗

‘To ensuring fair global access to a vaccine’

Hancock on Wednesday BBC R4 news was proudly telling us that ‘we’ had got our share before anywhere else.

244605 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #719 of 1760 🔗

Remember the Muck Song?

Fling it here, fling it there,
If you’re standing by then you’ll all get your share.

244408 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #720 of 1760 🔗

Well – I know that Gates is no longer ‘Microsoft’, but perhaps a tactic might be to link the Gates foundation to the intrusive bullying that is the software giant – again always ‘for your own good’.

“Do you want your body and social life controlled by Microsoft?”

244768 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to RickH, 1, #721 of 1760 🔗

The obligatory constant Windows updates and ‘upgrades’ to new versions, coupled with the ever-present bugs and security issues, are indeed too good a parallel to ignore.

245051 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, #722 of 1760 🔗

Revenge of the Nerds.

244821 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #723 of 1760 🔗

So, what more do you need to know folks? It’s as plain as day. Your PM is not your friend. Deal with it.

244402 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 4, #724 of 1760 🔗

https://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?c=setreg&region=2&m_id=bvT_T_bm&w_id=38238&news_id=2045050

Five passengers on the SeaDream Yacht Club voyage have so far tested positive despite all apparently returning a negative test prior to boarding last Saturday.

The voyage was immediately aborted after the first guest tested positive on Wednesday and the ship returned to Barbados.

False positives?

244404 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Sarigan, 4, #725 of 1760 🔗

Magic virus

244405 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #726 of 1760 🔗

So sneeky

244409 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 5, #727 of 1760 🔗

perhaps the covids stowed away

244527 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #728 of 1760 🔗

As Simon Dolan said, we’ll have to be tested every day, for everything.

244521 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sarigan, 1, #729 of 1760 🔗

They also passed negative in each of the two preceding weeks.

244413 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 14, #730 of 1760 🔗

Look at this for spin, in the telegraph:

“ The Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, has died after testing positive for Covid-19.”

However, reading on: “ Sutcliffe died overnight, Friday Nov 13, in hospital after being admitted 10 days ago for a heart issue. He had tested negative for Covid-19 when he was admitted.”

Dismal.

244418 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Adamb, 6, #731 of 1760 🔗

Certainly a quick way in getting the body cremated or buried, wack cv19 on the certificate

244484 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to stefarm, 7, #732 of 1760 🔗

The doctor who couldn’t be bothered to visit my father once during the last painful months of his life, except when he arrived ten days before Christmas like the angel of death to make him sign a non-resuscitation form, took ten days to attend his corpse and write the death certificate and he wrote cardiomegaly. He couldn’t have cared less what it actually was and if the covid option had been available what would have stopped him from writing that?

244423 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Adamb, 6, #733 of 1760 🔗

I thought the virus was doing us all a favour there for a minute, but it looks like good old-fashion heart disease.

There seems to be quite a lot of this “was admitted to hospital and tested negative then died a few days later with Covid 19” thing going on. This happened to someone I knew who died a few days ago.

244442 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Adamb, 10, #734 of 1760 🔗

And of course it will go entirely unnoticed by the average reader that (a) SARS-CoV-2 had nothing to do with his death, and (b) it was the hospital that caused him to be infected.

The problem from the start has been that Joe Public is so lazy that he cannot be arsed doing anything beyond lapping up the words spoken to him. Whoever has his ear, has his mind.

244455 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #735 of 1760 🔗

Is it not strange how so many people apparently assume they know everything about a subject on the basis of barely paying attention to a few headlines or sound-bites?

244477 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #736 of 1760 🔗

Sadly, very much par for the course.

244515 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Adamb, 4, #737 of 1760 🔗

The BBC were very keen to point out that he had underlying health problems. They probably think people will not want to be sadlidied with the Yorkshire Ripper disease and so lose interest in.its promotion.

244604 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #738 of 1760 🔗

I wonder how many other rapists have notsoverysadlidied recently.

244421 Andy Riley, replying to Andy Riley, 14, #739 of 1760 🔗

Anyone noticed that when police officers sit together in a confined space in their vans they never seem to wear masks but as soon as they get out into the fresh air they don their masks – how strange!

https://twitter.com/SteveRightNLeft/status/1327207757775302659

244470 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Andy Riley, 6, #740 of 1760 🔗

You find this is common at the anti lockdown protests. The Territorial Support Unit thugs all sit for hours in their vans unmasked waiting for the orders to attack from Khan / Patel / Dick.

244505 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Darryl, 1, #741 of 1760 🔗

They should be rebranded The Extraterritorial Support Unit.

244517 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 3, #742 of 1760 🔗

The off-worlders (aliens) would be more friendly than that lot!

244475 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Andy Riley, 6, #743 of 1760 🔗

Maybe they are just too ashamed to show their faces – they’d not want that splattered all over social media…

244478 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #744 of 1760 🔗

I asked one of them in September protest why they need to wear masks. They said “Because we are in contact with the public”.
I am sure it is for intimidation purpose.

244492 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JulieR, 5, #745 of 1760 🔗

Of course, face coverings turn people into faceless nobodies so they can bully and harass people. Hence why they have been mandated, create an illusion that people are being respectful to each other when it actually has the opposite effect.

244564 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #746 of 1760 🔗

A cop car pulled up next to me when I was at Trafalgar Sq in September. All 4 occupants unmasked – I asked them to smile whilst I took a picture, but they didn’t the miserable sods.

Obviously, almost every other policeman out in the fresh London air was masked up. The ones on horseback weren’t. There was also an old fashioned beat bobby up near Leicester Sq who didn’t have one on, but when a tourist asked him a question he masked straight up to answer.

244426 chaos, replying to chaos, 30, #747 of 1760 🔗

I am really struggling.. please pray for me.. I know it sounds pathetic.. but my world is falling apart… maybe I’ll feel a bit better later.. but I feel so down.

244429 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to chaos, 18, #748 of 1760 🔗

You need to keep going. We are going to meet up for a celebration pint when all this is over. It will be a big party, and you will be there.

244452 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 14, #749 of 1760 🔗

You have remained sane and true to the truth when many around you have given in to madness, and you are facing this difficult time head on. I don’t know you, but in my book that means you already have a lot going for you. Don’t let them win. We will prevail, eventually.

244460 ▶▶ Liam, replying to chaos, 5, #751 of 1760 🔗

You’re in my thoughts. We will overcome this. Hold on my friend.

244467 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 5, #752 of 1760 🔗

Chin up, chaos. Did you see someone yesterday may have a house for you ?

244482 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to chaos, 3, #753 of 1760 🔗

Things can turn around quickly, try to meet some like minded people in person if possible, we can help each other through.

244504 ▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 1, #754 of 1760 🔗

You’re not alone in feeling that way. I really hope you don’t lose your house.

244593 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to chaos, 1, #755 of 1760 🔗

Chaos in these dark times even people like me have struggled emotion ally and I am an eminently sound and sensible person and arch rationalist. The danger is low moods tend to introvert thoughts to a tiny sphere of one’side own life. Last week I resolved to wake up every morning and thank my good fortune for what I have. I’m not going down hill i’my going to fight do acts of small disobedience and attend local rallies and demonstrations.
I saw the utter devastation wreaked by Israel on the Palestinians last week with the destruction of thousands of their family homes and the world did nothing. So I decided to see if there was anything however small that I could contribute. It’s been an eye opener. I thank God for what I have. You r in my thoughts and in my prayers. Have faith and have courage.

244597 ▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 5, #756 of 1760 🔗

I pray for all of us every day. I’ll pray harder for you.
Be strong.God is with us.

244810 ▶▶ watashi, replying to chaos, 1, #757 of 1760 🔗

thinking of you chaos. stay strong.

244853 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to chaos, 1, #758 of 1760 🔗

I can tell from your comments on here that you have a lot of fight and spirit. Please remember that you are not alone, cliched maybe, but true. There is nothing pathetic in admitting you are struggling, better out than in as they say.

245237 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to chaos, 1, #759 of 1760 🔗

Heavenly Father,

I know You are watching and weeping with us in this time of tyranny at the hands of our fellow man. While some are unwitting servants of evil arch-manipulators, others use their gift of free will to collude deliberately with evil, labouring under the delusion that they can harvest the false and temporary profits of their wickedness with impunity. But they cannot. They should know their time is coming, and we pray Your judgement will be quick, terrible, and soon.

I know that not all of us trust in You or know of Your ways, but I pray each person in this community will feel Your hand upon their shoulders, urging them on and pushing them towards a time of new hope, and restored optimism. Please grant these people a peace that lasts, one that grants them the ability to fight the righteous causes that require their input without fatigue, and to release into Your hands the things that are outside of our finite and mortal control.

I especially pray for your child who frequents these forums under the name “chaos”. You know their heart, and their struggles. Please comfort them now, and may they turn their heart toward You in all times of trouble, and in the times of gratitude that will certainly follow.

I ask for these things in the name of Your only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, who is my Lord and Saviour.

Amen.

244427 Freecumbria, 3, #760 of 1760 🔗

The Planet Normal podcast was mentioned before, but not sure if a link was given, so here it is

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/planet-normal/id1514949294

The interesting bit from the anonymous NHS GP starts around 24 minutes in the latest episode from 12th November

244433 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 12, #761 of 1760 🔗

Don’t comment much these days, but this was too much for me. The Scottish football team has got into an international final – the European Cup as it happens, for the first time in over twenty years, fans in a pub in Aberdeen were celebrating the good news and the National is complaining that they weren’t social distancing! The pub is run by a Tory, i.e. a bad person who would love nothing better than to kill off independence-supporting Scots with a virus and embarrass Crankie, and all the comments agreed that hanging was just about too good for these selfish fans. Unbelievable.

244463 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jane in France, 5, #762 of 1760 🔗

I suspect the Crankie will be claiming credit for this achievement.

(They only managed it because they have an honorary scouser as skipper. 🙂 ).

244434 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 3, #763 of 1760 🔗

Two questions.

  1. Has anything come from Simon Dolan’s judicial review? I thought a judgement was expected last week but I haven’t heard anything.
  2. Will Dom Cummings resignation change anything going forward?
244448 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ricky R, 5, #764 of 1760 🔗

Dolan’s Twitter feed is usually pretty up to date and there’s nothing – they are still waiting

Cummings – probably just a distraction

244440 helen, replying to helen, 2, #765 of 1760 🔗

Mike Yeadon (Sp/) on Sitzung Corona Ausschuss ..live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kANkpqtWLN4

244943 ▶▶ leggy, replying to helen, #766 of 1760 🔗

Well worth a watch this – long, but an awful lot of sense talked again.

244444 Steve Hayes, 8, #767 of 1760 🔗

On Expert Advice

In 1347 a novel disease arrived in Europe. It was terrible. Outbreaks resulted in massive mortality rates, even up to one hundred percent, with sixty to ninety percent being typical. Fear and panic ensued. The king of France called upon the continent’s most learned experts to study the disease and make recommendations for the benefit of the people. The experts found that washing, especially bathing made one susceptible and they recommended that no one should wash. The advice was universally propagated by the organs of official narratives. Any who dissented were labelled ignorant or worse, evil. As a result, Europeans for centuries avoided washing like the plague.

Does any of this sound familiar?

244465 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #768 of 1760 🔗

This week’s ONS Coronavirus infection survey is out. This survey on a weekly basis attempts by way of random sampling to estimate what proportion of the community would have a +ve test for SARS-CoV-2 if the whole community was tested, what they call new ‘infections’.

This shows the number of new ‘infections’ is slightly up on last week but still 8% down on 2 weeks ago. The modelled estimate in figure 3 appears to suggest a fall in the percentage testing +ve so hopefully the raw increase on last week is just noise in the data. The last 3 weeks for England are

8.75 per 10,000 new ‘infections’ (31st October to 6 November)
8.38 per 10,000 new ‘infections’ (25 to 31 October)
9.52 per 10,000 new ‘infections’ (17 to 23 October)

The fall from the week ending 17 to 23rd October (9.52) to the week ending 25 to 31st October indicated that new infections were already falling prior to the lockdown that started on 5th November. And the fall from the week ending 17 to 23rd October to the week from 31st October to 6th November suggests this fall was a real one.

This is consistent with the falls shown by the zoe covid-19 symptom study and the REACT study.

The relevant paragraphs from these successive 3 weekly publications are

During the most recent week (31 October to 6 November 2020), we estimate there were 8.75 new COVID-19 infections for every 10,000 people per day (95% credible interval: 7.25 to 10.93) in the community population in England, equating to around 47,700 new cases per day (95% credible interval: 39,500 to 59,600); the incidence rate has increased in recent weeks, and remains at about 50,000 new cases per day.

During the most recent week (25 to 31 October 2020), we estimate there were around 8.38 new COVID-19 infections for every 10,000 people per day (95% credible interval: 6.92 to 10.93) in the community population in England, equating to around 45,700 new cases per day (95% credible interval: 37,700 to 59,600); incidence appears to have stabilised at around 50,000 new infections per day.

For England, the incidence rate continues to increase; during the most recent week (17 to 23 October 2020), we estimate there were around 9.52 new COVID-19 infections for every 10,000 people per day (95% credible interval: 7.06 to 14.53) in the community population in England, equating to around 51,900 new cases per day (95% credible interval: 38,500 to 79,200)

The studies can be found here titled Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, click on the published release tab; the latest one will be at or near the top, and the 2 previous ones were published on 6th November and 30th October.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releasecalendar

244494 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #769 of 1760 🔗

“During the most recent week (25 to 31 October 2020), we estimate …… equating to around 45,700 new cases per day”.

On 1st Nov the GOV.UK website ( https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases ) gave a figure of 22700 “cases” on a seven-day rolling average.

So are we to believe that current testing is picking up half of all cases in the country? Something doesn’t seem right.

244571 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Tenchy, #770 of 1760 🔗

Interesting point; hard to believe half are being picked up.

And zoe about 40,000 symptomatic new SARS-CoV-2 positives a day albeit in a slightly wider area, the UK.

So the pillar 1 and pillar 2 testing and effectively the same testing from which zoe extrapolates its data have a higher false positive rate than the ONS tests perhaps? Never quite been able to work out how the ONS testing differs, so don’t know.

And then the ONS data is prevalence in the community, but a lot of the pillar 1 and pillar 2 testing is in hospitals and care homes.

I really can’t make sense of it.

Do you have any thoughts on what is going on?

244639 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Freecumbria, #771 of 1760 🔗

Zoe’s predictions are based on self-report symptoms, aren’t they? Didn’t think they had anyway to link that back directly to positive test results….But maybe things have moved on.

244683 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Charlie Blue, #772 of 1760 🔗

Those who report symptoms are invited to take a SARS-CoV-2 test. Then broadly speaking they apply the percentage testing positive under the test to the total number reporting symptoms.

A lot of their increase in numbers before the recent fall was because the percentage testing positive went up not that more were reporting symptoms.

244507 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #773 of 1760 🔗

Here are the regional trends which look interesting

244523 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #774 of 1760 🔗

And here’s the chart for Wales. Shows that their firebreak lockdown worked….not

244627 ▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #775 of 1760 🔗

Thank you Freecumbria.

244469 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 9, #776 of 1760 🔗
244485 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Schrodinger, 9, #777 of 1760 🔗

Oh look, there’s that phrase again – “vaccine hesitancy”, right up there with “new normal” and “build back better”.

Ye shall know them by their catchphrases.

244558 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #778 of 1760 🔗

I prefer to call it “auto-immune hesitancy”.

244805 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Mabel Cow, #779 of 1760 🔗

or pro-vaccine transparency?
or anti vaccine-injury?

244516 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #780 of 1760 🔗

Time to get my VPN going

244518 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #781 of 1760 🔗

Toby should consider using protonmail.com or anything more secure than gmail

244545 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #782 of 1760 🔗

Toby/Will and better research getting independent servers in Iceland, get away from mainstream hosting and so on and quick.

244557 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #783 of 1760 🔗

Yeah. It looks like the current server is hosted in Gosport. It needs to move abroad, quick.

Mind you, it won’t really help because the government will just block the DNS entry for lockdownsceptics.org at the ISP level (like BT does with Pirate Bay). We’ll have to resort to using a static IP address or client-side VPNs to get round that.

244578 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #784 of 1760 🔗

The words Independent Media are interesting as opposed to what the Government Mainstream propaganda media?

244479 RichardJames, 12, #785 of 1760 🔗

There is no better way to dismantle a personality than to isolate it. – HRH The Princess of Wales, on the Martin Bashir Interview.

Which is why masks in primary schools should be forbidden.

244487 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #786 of 1760 🔗

Trinity College Dublin – Luke O’Neil

22 mins in for 5 mins

To coerce people to vaccinate Luke likes to pressure people by removing their right to travel unless vaccinated. Luke is a sinister little man in my opinion, a cold human.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-11-12T11_27_04-08_00

The whole opening monolgue is worth listening to.

244496 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 2, #787 of 1760 🔗

They’re basically the Irish ICL, same big sponsors too.

244502 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Basics, 3, #788 of 1760 🔗

But it’s illegal to coerce people like that with the threat of freedom to travel.

244594 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, #789 of 1760 🔗

Human, did you say?

244647 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Basics, #790 of 1760 🔗

O’Neill is the darling of Irish media, the self styled “Ireland’s favourite scientist” according to his bollocks book. – I wouldn’t buy a used car from him. He’s in the pharma business up to his neck. More info here:

https://gript.ie/prof-luke-oneill-unvaccinated-excluded-from-travel/

245061 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to godowneasy, #791 of 1760 🔗

Exclude Luke O’Neill.

244499 Cheezilla, 3, #792 of 1760 🔗

I just wanted to thank Dean and Paul for their contributions to today’s Update. I like a bit of well-written, healthily sardonic prose for breakfast. A double dose should see me through the day nicely.

244533 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #794 of 1760 🔗

Confirms exactly what I have been saying for weeks. The announcement was made on Phase 1 results ( preliminary at that). Phase2 and 3 will not be known for months and won’t be over until 26 months at earliest. Phase 1 participants excludes anyone over 55 years and anyone with any of the serious comorbidities that over 95% of people ‘with’ covid-19 have died from.
The announcement was a crock of shit, deliberatlet delayed by the FDA until after the election but put out just one day before the planned sale of 62% of the CEO’s stck at a 52 week high.
This is a huge stinking pile.

244615 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to peyrole, 1, #795 of 1760 🔗

I pointed out the Pfizer CEO’s legalised insider trading to a left wing friend of mine and he hadn’t heard about it. When is the left going to wake up to the corruption and cronyism?

244645 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to peyrole, 1, #796 of 1760 🔗

They are planning to conduct Phases 2 and 3 on the general population, as far as I can tell.

244698 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to A. Contrarian, #797 of 1760 🔗

Yes. I think the Phases 2 and 3 may will be on the general population. Probably why they need the AI to desperately pick up all and every side effect. We are indeed guinea pigs.

A good friend of mine who is a GP said she was on Zoom meetings all evening last night about the vaccine. Any other medics on hear concur or can share?

244501 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 15, #798 of 1760 🔗

A documentary called ‘Hold Up’ has gone viral in France over thelast 48 hours. It is 2.43 hrs long and has several scientists, medics and current and past politicians. It demolishes the covid-19 myths and points at the end to the ‘global’ forces at play ; Gates et al.
About 24 hrs ago it got pulled off every internet outlet, and has been subject to intense criticism from the establishment. Some of the participants have obviously been threatened and have made statements of remorse for being involved.
However the trailer is still up on Youtube right now if you want a flavour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax1hPfvLhtw
I suggest using duckduckgo as browser, I think others are deliberately ‘not finding it’.
The producer has apparently vowed to get an English sub-titled version on’line by Monday, if he can stay out of reach of the ‘flicks’ that long.

244509 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to peyrole, 1, #799 of 1760 🔗

Any more info, links especially, would be great. I will download it if I can get a subtitled version.
Arnie.

244512 ▶▶ Indar, replying to peyrole, #800 of 1760 🔗

The high seas have this to say: “Hold Up Documentaire Tprod”

244560 ▶▶▶ Indar, replying to Indar, 1, #801 of 1760 🔗

It’s also on YouTube here in full.

244542 ▶▶ leggy, replying to peyrole, #802 of 1760 🔗

That challenged my schoolboy French! Definitely looking out for the subtitled full version.

244801 ▶▶ watashi, replying to peyrole, #803 of 1760 🔗
244503 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #804 of 1760 🔗

Perhaps one of the most important data indicating not overwhelming NHS

 https://twitter.com/AlistairHaimes/status/1327204854662647808
The monthly NHS England covid stats include discharges: that wave is now growing faster than admissions, which should take pressure of inpatient occupancy levels.

244538 ▶▶ leggy, replying to swedenborg, 1, #805 of 1760 🔗

Presumably deaths being separate are not included in the “discharge” figure either. So arguably you could offset both of those against the admissions number, though obviously we’d prefer people to be discharged!

244592 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to leggy, #806 of 1760 🔗

DD = discharged, dead.

244556 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, #807 of 1760 🔗

The only problem is the label ‘Covid’, given what we know about mis-attribution. Clearly the deaths are ‘with’ not ‘of’.

244643 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 1, #808 of 1760 🔗

Discharges are going exponential! Anything exponential is bad! Ban discharges!

244670 ▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, #809 of 1760 🔗

Funny how we never get daily discharge or net admission data, just “cases” ad infinitum.

244506 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #810 of 1760 🔗

copied this a few months ago. Would be great if we could get this/something similar for a poster.

also
“I cant breathe”
“my brain hurt”
“I am dizzy”

244584 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 3, #811 of 1760 🔗
244587 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Victoria, #812 of 1760 🔗

That’s brilliant!! I’m seeing more and mor children wearing them!! We need stickers/posters of this

244764 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Sodastream, #813 of 1760 🔗

Does anyone know of a custom-print muzzle supplier that I can use to create a shop for protest muzzles?

I use Redbubble for my stuff , but they charge stupid money for muzzle postage.

I’m pretty uncomfortable with contributing to the maskdemic, but if it gives kids a voice then I think I can stomach it.

244869 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Victoria, #814 of 1760 🔗

Help me out, Victoria. Are people having these made up and putting them on their children in order to make a statement that wearing them is harmful? If so, it’s self-defeating and schizophrenic.

244510 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 9, #815 of 1760 🔗

I think people who have read what i,ve wrote on here so far over the months know that i’m for unity and not for divisions but i feel i must speak out about a poster . I have just noticed this person called MAYO has popped up again this time to say Clare Craig is talking nonsense and she will damage our cause .Why is it every time someone challenges the testing (last time Yeadon ) this person pops up to rubbish them ? . Never does this person offer proof just put downs . This person is clearly clever and i know a lot of you like to chat to them but please lets not let ourselves be swayed off course by glib comments. Now i don’t know if C Craig is right but if she is it seems a topic we should be getting behind . J H Brewer does not let random nutcases on her show or conspiracy types and i have looked up C C and i see no reason to doubt her credentials ( everyone else please do the same) so why should i take the rambling of MAYO over a pathologist . For the record Mayo has a right to their opinion just the same as me and i’m against banning people but i believe everyone should be cautious . Ask yourself this if someone challenges the government narrative would you just put them down with no evidence whatsoever ?

244565 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wat tyler, 2, #816 of 1760 🔗

I wouldn’t get too exercised about the salad dressing.

The bollocks of the ‘second wave’ is common knowledge for what it is – there’s nothing new in the statement that it’s pure fiction when you look at reliable data.

244703 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to RickH, #817 of 1760 🔗

It’s not new amongst us but the fact its getting airtime is good also if we can compare tests we get more proof. On a lighter note i just popped into lidl and i noticed six other people without masks ,it almost felt normal

244618 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to wat tyler, 3, #818 of 1760 🔗

Mayo is one of the resident trolls on this site.

244681 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ewan Duffy, #819 of 1760 🔗

I think they’re more general critic than troll.

244693 ▶▶ steph, replying to wat tyler, #820 of 1760 🔗

I don’t even read a Mayo post anymore. That way my blood pressure doesn’t rise. We all have strong opinions on here and are well informed. We must let people say what’s in their minds even if we pay it no heed.

245682 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wat tyler, #821 of 1760 🔗

I have always preferred salad cream to mayo.

244519 Alice, replying to Alice, 32, #822 of 1760 🔗

Two difficult questions:

1) Is Carrie Symmonds our unelected dictator?

2) How much has to be destroyed before “they” start “building back better”? And who decides what is “better”?

245076 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Alice, #823 of 1760 🔗

The usual suspects.

244528 Tom Blackburn, 8, #824 of 1760 🔗

YESTERDAY
by The Free Speech Union, Organiser
The High Court has notified us of the date of our oral permission hearing – 9th December. This is when our barrister will have an opportunity to try and persuade a judge to allow the judicial review of Ofcom’s ‘coronavirus guidance’ to proceed to the next stage. We haven’t yet been given an exact time or told whether it will be online or in person. More soon.

244530 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #825 of 1760 🔗

Hope it is not C-20
https://twitter.com/MackayIM/status/1327144508480434176 “Influenza-like illness, in the absence of influenza has been sitting at 1000 cases per week in Samoa, for weeks. I’m told it’s not sars-cov-2 but it’s clearly something viral.

 https://iris.wpro.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665.1/14462/Influenza-20201021.pdf

244640 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 1, #826 of 1760 🔗

This happens all the time, in the past no one would have cared, there are always unknown viruses floating about. Now, however, it must be something disastrous.

244532 steph, replying to steph, 8, #827 of 1760 🔗

I don’t know if this has been mentioned but it may upset some of the masses.
Nicola Adams has been forced to quit Strictly because her dance partner has tested positive. Katya Jones has no symptoms and is almost certainly a false positive.
Now, I have quite enjoyed Strictly over the years but can see it is not everybody’s thing. However it has a massive following and maybe removing some of the Circuses (along with the Bread already taken or soon to be) the public will start to wonder what is going on.
It just isn’t the same show with all of the distancing and the virtue signalling of the presenters although I think Claudia did make a flippant comment last week that the Thought Police will have not liked. However, it won’t be a show at all if several of the dancers get false positives will it?

244539 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to steph, 9, #828 of 1760 🔗

I detest Winkleman. BBC nepotism at it’s worst.

244541 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steph, 10, #829 of 1760 🔗

Propaganda delivered via the medium of light entertainment. What’s not to like?

244549 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #830 of 1760 🔗

No doubt more of the same on the hideous Children in Need tonight. What’s the betting Pudsey Bear will be adorned with a face-mask …

244566 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 3, #831 of 1760 🔗

How can the BBC reconcile its duty to be impartial with its incessant campaigning?

244569 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #832 of 1760 🔗

Exactly. And that is why I ditched my licence earlier in the year.

245080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, 1, #833 of 1760 🔗

We should be organizing large scale, well organized, weekly boycotts. Like rolling blackouts. Stop buying from Amazon, etc.

244608 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #834 of 1760 🔗

I don’t know, maybe ask Chris Packham?

244687 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Will, #835 of 1760 🔗

Who is Chris Packham?

244710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #836 of 1760 🔗

A lunatic who used to present The Really Wild Show for kids back in the 80s/90s

245168 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to PompeyJunglist, #837 of 1760 🔗

Well erm, he has been presenting Spring watch and Autumn watch for years now on TV. Like Gates , and Thunberg he suffers from Asperger syndrome that can probably explain about their behaviour.

244583 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 5, #838 of 1760 🔗

Socially distanced, muzzled children, growing up in a world without faces.
BBC in need of a kick in the bollocks.

244585 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 3, #839 of 1760 🔗

Or the complete irony of cringey celebrity-endorsed begging for a “special covid appeal”

244543 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to steph, 6, #840 of 1760 🔗

Smells a bit fishy to me. Call me cynical the female dance partner of the first same sex couple tests (false)+

Hmmmm……

244548 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to stefarm, 3, #841 of 1760 🔗

I didn’t much like the same sex mix. I thought it was strange. Plenty of gay dancers partner the opposite sex. But I thought, fair enough if they want to. I don’t suppose there is anything going on in relation to that.

244553 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steph, #842 of 1760 🔗

It seems the BBC has changed bandwagons in midstream

244570 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to stefarm, 1, #843 of 1760 🔗

I understand they were in the dice off.

244546 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, 10, #844 of 1760 🔗

It is long past time that the television viewing tax was abolished. There is no reason for broadcasters to be given public funds and the practice should be stopped immediately. If the BBC is as good as the BBC claims it is, it will thrive without public funding. If it is as terrible as I think it is, it will whither and die.

244547 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steph, 3, #845 of 1760 🔗

I can exclusively reveal that this has nothing to do with covid – it’s to placate my strictly loving mother who’s a great lady but has a bit of a blind spot when it comes to what she calls “hoe-mow-secksuals”

244588 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -1, #846 of 1760 🔗

WHAAAAAT!? Your mum is guilty if hate crime? Dob her in.
Hurry up, the thought police should be on their way to her house by mow.

244551 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steph, 3, #847 of 1760 🔗

“the public will start to wonder what is going on.”

My bet is ‘not a chance’. It will re-inforce how a wickedly destructive threat creeps up on people, adding fuel to the fire.

244573 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to RickH, 4, #848 of 1760 🔗

Yip. No one actually knows anyone in real life who has it but now that someone from Strictly has been struck down it’s the end of days.

244596 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #849 of 1760 🔗

IDK.. assuming it’s a false +ve simply due to the constant testing regime – might make people think if she comes on “It takes Two” or something in a couple of weeks with ‘No symptoms whatsoever, you’d never have known I had it….’ or something like that.

244625 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #850 of 1760 🔗

Thing is … any positive under the current lack of controls is odds-on a false positive.

244646 ▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #851 of 1760 🔗

I hope you’re right but this is the BBC we’re talking about so it’s more likely that she’ll come on saying she’s never felt so unwell, this virus is awful blah blah.

244572 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to steph, 2, #852 of 1760 🔗

I don’t understand why they’ve had to quit. I’m sure in previous years a couple have missed a week or two due to illness or personal circumstances then resumed again later.

244577 ▶▶ DRW, replying to steph, 5, #853 of 1760 🔗

Knowing BBC it may be entirely fake news, just a staged theatric about how important and scary the dreaded positive test is.

244613 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 2, #854 of 1760 🔗

I just looked at the Beeb’s website and the ‘Most Read’ story is that Anton will be joining the judging panel. Good to see what people’s real priorities are right now!

244787 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 1, #855 of 1760 🔗

And I am surprised how many people discuss this shit show on here!

244622 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to steph, 2, #856 of 1760 🔗

You guard your money carefully, but spend your time lavishly, as if there would be no end to it. How much more of your limited lifespan will you spend on such hostile propaganda brain rot? Look at the bright colours, the pretty dresses, the people addressing you like a child, all the pacifying theatre of obedient serfdom. Don’t learn, don’t think, just watch this shit.

Are you insane?

244677 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #857 of 1760 🔗

Is that addressed to me?

244561 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 15, #858 of 1760 🔗

I’ve potentially missed it, but have we talked yet about how the vaccine is an mRNA vaccine, which is gene altering (from what I understand) and is a new technology that has never been approved before ? I assumed it was like any other vaccine, where you receive a weakened version of the disease to build immunity, but it isn’t.

From what I understand the vaccine will introduce a synthetic molecule into the body, which then prompts our DNA to do something, therefore, gene altering. Am I right in my understanding of it?

I was never going to get it anyway, but what in the hell?

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244567 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to John Galt, 6, #859 of 1760 🔗

Precisely why I will never touch it.

244580 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John Galt, 13, #860 of 1760 🔗

Correct.

The mRNA (messenger RNA) gives instructions to the DNA until the day you die – gene altering. This process is permanent and you cannot ‘detox’ it.

We are all different and will react differently to this ‘change’. Some people might be ok, some will get illnesses and auto immune diseases and some will die after long periods of time.

This vaccine is only to ‘reduce symptoms’ and not to prevent the disease as with all the other vaccines

244635 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Victoria, 4, #861 of 1760 🔗

I won’t be having the vaccine as I don’t believe it’s undergone a rigorous or long enough testing process, especially as it’s a new technology, and the overall low mortality rate of the virus doesn’t justify taking that kind of risk.

But I’m not convinced that the mRNA will be in your cells until you die. In normal cell processes, mRNA is produced from DNA every time a protein is produced. As far as I remember (I have a biology degree, from back in the mists of time), this mRNA is broken down or “destroyed” once that process is complete, otherwise your cells would end up over-producing unnecessary proteins until the end of time. So presumably, unless they’ve found a way to prevent this, the vaccine mRNA will suffer the same fate once it’s done its job. Hence the panicking over durability of the vaccine immune response and the potential need for boosters. I haven’t looked at the details of the Pfizer vaccine however, so I may be wrong!

244581 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to John Galt, 15, #862 of 1760 🔗

Technically I don’t think it’s gene altering. You still have the same genes at the end of the process as you had at the beginning.

Normally when a gene is activated it produces some mRNA which goes into the rest of the cell and instructs it to make proteins. In this case they have engineered some mRNA ( skipping the gene bit) which specifically provides the code to make the virus “spikes” which then stimulate the immune system. So they are using the body’s cellular apparatus to make a protein that the body is then going to attack through the normal immune system functions.

Because we don’t normally tinker around with mRNA in this way I’d be a bit wary till a million or so people have had it. I can’t see what benefit it gives over getting the disease naturally.

Also my inner cynic wonders what else they are doing with the vaccine. I don’t really trust them.

244621 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #863 of 1760 🔗

…. and also factor in the fact that this virus doesn’t warrant a risk anywhere near this.

244651 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #864 of 1760 🔗

Look, the. reality is that under normal circumstances, you’d want this sort of investigation to take place, because if they can really produce a working RNA vaccine, that opens up the possibility for vaccines against cancer. And that would be a gigantic medical leap forward.

I’m sure there are people out there justifying the pure evil being unleashed in the world right now on this basis. As many before have observed, horrible things have been perpetrated by people with “good intentions” many times throughout history.

I’m sure this is one of those moments.

244684 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stewart, #865 of 1760 🔗

How is a vaccine against cancer even plausible?

244759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Steve Hayes, #866 of 1760 🔗

By provoking an immune response against the “bad cells” marking them as foreign is something that is already done in biological therapies against cancer. It’s not a huge leap from there to a vaccine.

Vaccines are already available against cancer causing viral agents like HPV that causes cervical and throat cancers.

244774 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jonathan Smith, #867 of 1760 🔗

Your point about HPV is well taken. But it is a misuse of the language to call that a vaccine against cancer. It is a vaccine against the virus, which is very different.

Cancer is simply cells multiplying, which is what they do. When this process becomes harmful the body “instructs” those cells to self destruct. This refers to your first point, but such therapy is concerned to simulate the body’s response, which is not working effectively – which is why the risk of cancer increases with age.

Vaccines work against foreign agents. Cancer isn’t foreign.

245085 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #868 of 1760 🔗

It’s not. But it brings in billion of dollars in donations every year.

244590 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to John Galt, 6, #869 of 1760 🔗

I thought T cells didn’t exist and that’s why we need vaccines?

Hint. I’m being sarcastic.

244685 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jonny S., 1, #870 of 1760 🔗

You are not supposed to remember what they said in previous news cycles.

244600 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John Galt, 8, #871 of 1760 🔗

Here’s the relevant section from Corona: False Alarm by Reiss and Bhakdi:

Gene-based vaccines. In these cases, the viral gene is delivered to the cell either as DNA inserted into a plasmid or as mRNA that is directly translated into protein following cell uptake.

A great potential danger of DNA-based vaccines is the integration of plasmid DNA into the cell genome. Insertional mutagenesis occurs rarely but can become a realistic danger when the number of events is very large, i.e. as in mass vaccination of a population. If insertion occurs in cells of the reproductive system, the altered genetic information will be transmitted from mother to child. Other dangers of DNA vaccines are production of anti-DNA antibodies and autoimmune reactions.

Safety concerns linked to mRNA vaccines include systemic inflammation and potential toxic effects.

A further immense danger looms that applies equally to mRNA-based coronavirus vaccines. At some time during or after production of the viral spike, waste products of the protein must be expected to become exposed on the surface of targeted cells. The majority of healthy individuals have killer lymphocytes that recognise these viral products. It is inevitable that autoimmune attacks will be mounted against the cells. Where, when, and with which effects this might occur is entirely unknown. But the prospects are simply terrifying.

244609 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 2, #872 of 1760 🔗

Great information thanks

244606 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to John Galt, 10, #873 of 1760 🔗

You have to stand in awe of the scale of the mindfuck that has brought us to this juncture. A full assault using military grade information warfare and extreme deliberate psychological pressure. No wonder there are so few of us who question the narrative. So relentless is their onslaught, that I honestly think they will win out in the end. They know their quarry too well.

244649 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to John Galt, 13, #874 of 1760 🔗

But apparently if you have any concerns at all about injecting that in to your kids you’re a dangerous anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

244659 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to John Galt, 1, #875 of 1760 🔗

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen…

244668 ▶▶ sam, replying to John Galt, 1, #876 of 1760 🔗

me too is why will never get this or any gene editing vaccine, haven’t had a vaccine since was a child anyway and have no intention of getting any more . the evil gates is behind GMOS besides his dream of vacinating the whole world. truly evil . i eat only organic since found out about 12 years ago we were secretly being poisoned by GMOS [ GM ]

244575 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #877 of 1760 🔗

Ivor Cummings just shared this, quite graph heavy thread, which appears to confirm much of Clare Craigs findings…

https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1327206385877184513

244629 ▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to PoshPanic, #878 of 1760 🔗

Brilliant

244582 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 20, #879 of 1760 🔗

Those people who talk about the Great Reset might also be interested in the ideas now being put forward by Sally Davies, Whitty’s immediate predecessor. It seems this woman is going to come down from Trinity College Cambridge and mend your rotten ways. She’ll tell what you can do, what you can’t do, what you mustn’t eat, what you mustn’t drink, what vaccines you must have, and ultimately what you can think and what you can’t think. This is all in the interests of public health. Apparently, you will happy living like serfs with no choice and no freedom. In short, the woman is barking mad. But no doubt she’ll be cheered on by the BBC and the rest of the MSM. What a depressing place this country has become.

244595 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to James Marker, 8, #880 of 1760 🔗

Defund the government.

244658 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to James Marker, 6, #881 of 1760 🔗

Ah yes , you must mean Dame Sally C.Davis , coincidentally another big-knob at the WHO.

Is it me or is there a pattern here ?

perhaps some high level mathematical modelling should be undertaken by eminent statisticians to check for correlation of opinion / institutional affiliation amongst the “experts”

244586 richard riewer, 4, #882 of 1760 🔗

Woke is going for broke.

244591 peyrole, 6, #883 of 1760 🔗

Apparently the UK’s real ‘leader’ is now Princess Nut Nuts.

244598 PoshPanic, 1, #884 of 1760 🔗

Maybe this is mask wearing I could get on board with..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/13185556/mask-sobers-you-up-scientists/

244619 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #885 of 1760 🔗

Have Cain and Cummings already left the building?

I suspect they will a large chunk of annual leave outstanding, if it’s in the order of six weeks they are already gone

Queen Carrie now reigns

244628 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Cecil B, 7, #886 of 1760 🔗

Princess Nut Nuts to you.

244620 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 37, #887 of 1760 🔗

Good news from one of the wokest, leftie-ist, most virtue signalling NHS-clapping towns in the home counties (and I say this as a formerly traditional or “reasonable” leftie, so presumably this doesn’t count as hate speech – yet).

This mockdown is being largely ignored by a significant proportion of the population. I’m just back from a dog walk on a sunny day in the park. People everywhere, including several groups of 3 or 4 obviously not from the same household – one group had an average age of around 80 and the thought of the police charging in to fine or arrest them for having a chat in the park was unthinkable (although unlike the first lockdown, in which the police used to drive into the car park every hour or so to check for sunbathers and bench sitters, there was not a police car in sight). Decent queue of people also at the cafe for their “essential” take away teas and coffees. Playground as busy as in normal times. All dog walkers happy to stop and chat at normal distances.

If even my town is starting to tire of this, then I genuinely think that public compliance must be at an all time low. Surely it can’t continue much longer?

244633 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #888 of 1760 🔗

I think that you’re right about compliance (we are taking absolutely no notice about mixing with other people/families – although others’ preferences can be a constraint).

However, I think that the acceptance of the whole truthful, alternative narrative isn’t the same thing.

244657 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to RickH, 9, #889 of 1760 🔗

No, I think most are getting tired of it but still not fully rejecting it.

244665 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to RickH, #890 of 1760 🔗

Yes, you’re probably right.

244636 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to A. Contrarian, 29, #891 of 1760 🔗

Did a ten mile walk yesterday and met up with a local lady and her two dogs. No real distancing. She held the dogs towards us as well, for us to tickle their ears. No fear of anything, just a normal chat. It would be nice if more people did this, but still so many wandering around with gobstopper eyes peering out over a mask. Someone really has to get this bloody mask thing stopped, make it voluntary at least because it is taking a real hold on the population psyche. It may come to it that many millions won’t actually relinquish the mask when the rules are relaxed, so great has been the driving force against the mind.

244637 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to A. Contrarian, 13, #892 of 1760 🔗

Yep my local high street is still fairly busy, I’m tempted to set up some sort of scheme to help out any of the businesses that have been forced to shut, you could call it charity but if it helps them stay in business.

244673 ▶▶ stewart, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #893 of 1760 🔗

Let’s hope they continue their non-compliance with the semi-mandatory vaccinations come, the forced testing, the health passports etc..

I suspect they’ll jump through all those hoops if it allows them to quickly get back to their mundane daily lives.

244779 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to stewart, #894 of 1760 🔗

That’s always been the plan.

244676 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #895 of 1760 🔗

Interesting AC. A number of things in the last few days have made me too question, “What lockdown?”

The man from British Gas has just been to service the boiler. No mask, gloves or hazmat suit. He told me that at the moment masks etc were only worn on the customer’s request. The only thing he couldn’t do was accept a drink. He wasn’t bothered about social distancing either.

Yesterday OH and I went shopping to both Sainsbury’s and Tesco. No one questioned the fact that we were shopping together and the sign outside Sainsbury’s requested solo shopping only if possible. I know some stores have turned people away if they were a couple.

Our shopping bags had few essential items in them but were packed to the brim with non essential clothing, birthday cards etc.

Roads were busy-full of people making essential journeys, just like us. In this neck of the woods, lockdown is petering out all by itself.

244817 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Margaret, 6, #896 of 1760 🔗

The purpose of the lockdown is to put pubs and small businesses and musicians out of business, permanently

245112 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to A. Contrarian, #897 of 1760 🔗

Damn good to read of this, thanks AC

244634 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #898 of 1760 🔗

The NHS is drawing up plans for around 1,500 vaccination centres, mostly based at large GP practices, with a deadline to be ready to deliver by 1 December.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/13/gps-vaccine-row-impossible-rollout-thatcould-threaten-patient/

Those GPs who administer the magic snake oil will be paid £12.50 a pop and they’re going to laugh all the way to the bank, while the small fry are left ungreased.

It will be interesting to see if this finally starts some much-needed whistleblowing and mud-slinging.

244638 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #899 of 1760 🔗

A lot of GP practices are privately owned and NHS in name only.

244751 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #900 of 1760 🔗

I thought all were just contracted.

244654 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #901 of 1760 🔗

Again just being ready doesn’t mean active, at least two months more data is still required.

244655 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #902 of 1760 🔗

I wouldn’t be too hopeful about a sudden surge in whistleblowing just when the would-be whistleblowers are about to get some extra payola.

244660 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, #903 of 1760 🔗

Hold on, though. Surely payments will go to practices, not indivdual GPs. Since they generate substantial income from providing enhanced services which they will not be able to offer if they are stabbing people 24/7, this is far from a cash cow! If they were to keep any other services going alongside they would need to employ more people and costs would rise as a result.

244694 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, #904 of 1760 🔗

Sorry to reply to myself, but just realised my second point was invalid, unless all surgeries actually do start providing full core services, let alone enhanced services.

244662 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #905 of 1760 🔗

I thought the GPs wouldn’t like this (my mum used to be one)… Good on them.

However the govt don’t care that patient care will be compromised, since they’ve told GPs outright to “scale back” on other services and that patients must accept that they will receive reduced care while the vaccine is being rolled out.

244706 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #906 of 1760 🔗

Next stage is you can’t visit the practice without a vaccination or if you do visit for any reason you have to have one there.

244750 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 2, #907 of 1760 🔗

… and if you doubt the possibility, just consider how, if you go into hospital, currently you are expected to take an intrusive PCR test without being offered a consent form and information about the test.

Be very afraid when you hear the phrase ‘the general good’ tripping off the tongue.

244760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, #908 of 1760 🔗

Such a practice is obviously both unethical and immoral, but is it lawful (it is so difficult to keep up with the law when ministers are constantly changing it without parliamentary scrutiny)?

244780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #909 of 1760 🔗

I’ve wondered about this. I mean – I’ve never had second thoughts about the standard MRSA swabbing – it’s fine by me, and makes sense – and isn’t very intrusive. I can see the logic in terms of infection control.

But PCR testing is very different, firstly in terms of rationale, given what we know about its inaccuracy and use purely as a propaganda weapon.

The last time it was thrust upon me, I refused. I genuinely find the shoving of swabs up my nose as genuinely very unpleasant – and I want a f.ing good reason to do it – and then, I will do it myself, thank you very much – and piss off if you don’t agree.

I had some muttered ‘think about other people’ rhetoric aimed at me by a fairly dim nurse who obviously didn’t know whether it was shit, shave or breakfast time. But I’m not blaming her : she was just doing what she had been told to do – and in a medical setting, adherence to procedures is important.

But what about those who are actually responsible for this corruption of the Nuremberg protocols, human rights and medical ethics? If they genuinely don’t clock that the PCR tests flout all these, what the f. are they doing in their job?

244734 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #910 of 1760 🔗

Why, the majority of the population has been untouched by Covid. Totally untouched. We need to know why the emergency.

244738 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #911 of 1760 🔗

Just wait to see what happens in two more weeks.

244652 Cecil B, 9, #912 of 1760 🔗

A brain damaged pig dictator and Princess Nuts Nuts

The gift that keeps on giving

244661 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 30, #913 of 1760 🔗

It takes a decade or more to develop a vaccine that is known to be safe and effective. Coronaviruses have been known for many, many decades. Yet no vaccine was ever developed for any of them. In the past year, a novel coronavirus is discovered and vaccines that are safe and effective are developed in a matter of months.

If you are buying this story, I have a bridge you may be interested in.

244696 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, #914 of 1760 🔗

My main theory is that they are actually reworked older projects.

244705 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DRW, 1, #915 of 1760 🔗

OK My bridge was constructed in the past. Would care to buy it?

244741 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #916 of 1760 🔗

Not if it’s still never been used.

244721 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #917 of 1760 🔗

most potential vaccines fail because

i) they don’t work well enough
ii) they have nasty side effects

they often take years to fail one of the above conditions

It is statistically likely therefore that a new vaccine which isn’t tested over several years
a) doesn’t work well enough or b) has nasty side effects

244742 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 2, #918 of 1760 🔗

And it is impossible for anyone to know that a vaccine that has been in development for mere months is either safe or effective.

The British state had a research unit devoted to finding a safe and effective therapy for the common cold. It was established in 1946 and was abolished in 1989. Needless to say, it was a complete failure. I mention this because coronaviruses (along with other viruses) cause the common cold. Apparently, this history has been consigned to the memory hole.

244927 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, #919 of 1760 🔗

The British state had a research unit devoted to finding a safe and effective therapy for the common cold.

Yep, it was at Porton Down. Nothing could convince me they tested other stuff there. Oh no. Governments don’t tell lies, do they ?

244745 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #920 of 1760 🔗

… and if anybody needs or wants this vaccine, just write me a cheque, and I’ll see you’re at the front of the queue.

You know you can believe me – I’ve acted for countless Nigerians who needed bailing out. Trust me.

244841 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #921 of 1760 🔗

Jacinda, Sanna, Devi and Aussies have gone all in on a 100% efficient infection preventing vaccine as the sole exit option from their current zero Covid strategy.
I wonder when they start to grasp
what they will be getting instead:
a sometimes symptoms-reducing one.
That means, that these vaccines are completely useless for any inbound traffic, and that they must continue to lock up everyone coming (incl. back) to their countries for at least 2 weeks for good.
Bye, bye tourism industry, jobs and revenues, bye, bye business travel, bye, bye freedom to travel abroad for their own citizens.
Welcome GDR 2.0.

244663 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #922 of 1760 🔗

Pleasing (??) to see this in a Stagecoach (bus) email:

In case you haven’t travelled with us for a while, we’d like to just remind you that, unless exempt, you are now required to wear a face covering for travel on public transport.”

244680 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ozzie, 7, #923 of 1760 🔗

But anyone can exempt themselves, so sorted.

244664 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 4, #924 of 1760 🔗

What we really need is a reliable T-cell test just like this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8942889/T-cell-test-EIGHT-TIMES-better-detecting-infected-coronavirus.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

Anybody with them should then be allowed get on with their lives

244669 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #925 of 1760 🔗

That could be good news.

244678 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 47, #926 of 1760 🔗

Everyone should be “allowed [to] get on with their lives” regardless of any test. Rights and liberties are not contingent on passing tests.

244682 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #927 of 1760 🔗

Correct

244686 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #928 of 1760 🔗

Indeed, I don’t want this going into the ID as a Plan B for if the vaccines have to be pulled.

244713 ▶▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to DRW, #929 of 1760 🔗

Agree but this test could be useful in exposing the uselessness of the PCR version

244798 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #930 of 1760 🔗

Quit the nudging.

244692 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #931 of 1760 🔗

I know what you are getting at, Steve, but this has the unfortunate implication that someone is giving permission. We are ENTITLED to get on with our lives. No permission is required.

244701 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Stephanos, 2, #932 of 1760 🔗

That is precisely what I said: the second sentence, The first sentence was a quote for the purpose of criticism.

244697 ▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #933 of 1760 🔗

Totally agree, please inform Boris&co

244716 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #934 of 1760 🔗

100%

244735 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 11, #935 of 1760 🔗

No no no

We do not need any test. If you are not ill you do not need a test.

If you have a cold or flu, you do not need a test.

No. It’s all part of the scam!

244740 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, 3, #936 of 1760 🔗

Absolutely right. There is no reason for departing from the old normal.

244688 leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #937 of 1760 🔗

Well worth a watch if you have an hour – and let’s face it, most of us have some time on our hands!

Are We Being Told the Truth About COVID 19? | Prof Sucharit Bhakdi (co-author of German best seller, Corona: False Alarm:

https://youtu.be/4P22eUnv6AM

244695 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to leggy, 5, #938 of 1760 🔗

Yes, his wife is also excellent when interviewed. Both brave enough to speak out since the beginning.

244726 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to leggy, 4, #939 of 1760 🔗

Dont know anyone could have thought from the beginning that wasnt an agenda, we would have known if it was a deadly disease, no sign of that at all.

244689 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 6, #940 of 1760 🔗

It’s very interesting (in a disturbing way) that the military in western countries are using propaganda to modify their own citizens behaviour, including fake social media personas. The Canadian military openly admit it which is truly staggering.

THE CANADIAN MILITARY DECLARES WAR ON CANADIANS – #PROPAGANDAWATCH https://www.bitchute.com/video/rSmqOf_HOnU/

244720 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Darryl, 1, #941 of 1760 🔗

Worth listening to in full

244744 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Two-Six, #942 of 1760 🔗

Just shows how brainwashed most Canadians are that the ‘Wolves in the woods’ didn’t seem to bother them.

245103 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Darryl, 1, #943 of 1760 🔗

Yep we’re just as dumb as you all 🙂

245414 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Eddie, 1, #944 of 1760 🔗

Stupidity and irrationality seem in plentiful supply in every nation in the world. There does seem to be hotspots such as New York.

244691 assoc, replying to assoc, #945 of 1760 🔗

Where do the figures for deaths by date of death, rather than by date of reporting, come from? Hope someone can help

244699 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to assoc, #946 of 1760 🔗
244911 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, #947 of 1760 🔗

Watch’ya doin’ on here – get back to looking for that hotel in Costa Rica!! 🙂

244862 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to assoc, #948 of 1760 🔗

I think these dates must ultimately derive from the ‘Medical Certificate of Cause of Death’ which contains data on ‘Date of death as stated to me.’ I think this date would then (normally) be used by the Registrar when registering the death.

244700 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 15, #949 of 1760 🔗

Saw a young woman on the bus this week sneeze into her mask, Then she wiped the mask on the sleeve of her left arm and returned to clicking away on her cellphone. Yuk!

244766 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to richard riewer, 6, #950 of 1760 🔗

Do you remember when people used to sneeze into hankies? Seems an eternity away .

244894 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to arfurmo, #951 of 1760 🔗

I still do! 🤧

245095 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #952 of 1760 🔗

Gezundheit!

244772 ▶▶ alw, replying to richard riewer, 5, #953 of 1760 🔗

Nothing worse than seeing someone with a mask under their chin and their nose dripping into mask. Masks spread disease not prevent

244892 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to richard riewer, #954 of 1760 🔗

🤮

244704 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 5, #955 of 1760 🔗

Johnners’ backside is horribly exposed, now that he no longer has Cummins & Cain to cover it. I see the Hand of Grovel in all this.

Have you delivered your mucous to the Snot Patrol today? Remember, it’s your patriotic duty.

244746 ▶▶ Will, replying to Stuart, 2, #956 of 1760 🔗

I am not sure it is. Hopefully now Johnson will finally change the narrative and blame the lockdown etc on the nutters. If he could find a ten tonne roller, that has been converted into a bus, to chuck Wancock under the job would be a good un.

244773 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, 1, #957 of 1760 🔗

If he can chuck SAGE with him too it’d be even better.

244717 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 17, #958 of 1760 🔗

The government is full of hate. They hate us.

244718 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to richard riewer, 21, #959 of 1760 🔗

The feeling’s mutual.

244723 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 4, #960 of 1760 🔗

Easier to say who we don’t hate nowadays.

244856 ▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, 1, #961 of 1760 🔗

Fine. I hate thrm.

244719 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #962 of 1760 🔗

MISINFORMATION WARNING:
A FICTIONAL, OPINION-BASED BRAIN FART ABOUT A POSSIBLE DYSTOPIAN FUTURE FOLLOWS. Do not read!

If I were an evil bastard intent on controlling the whole world in some sort of satanic power structure, what I might choose to do from this point onward would be to edit everyone’s genes to make a dumb, servile population that worshipped “the figurehead” of the structure.

Obviously not everyone would want their genes edited, so you’ve got to get them to demand that you do it to them in order to stop some sort of current existential threat (that may be real or imaginary).

The problem is, not everyone is going to do it.

So this is where I’d be super evil.

The ones who are scared enough to listen to everything I say (the “just make it stop” people) would happily take my “untested” gene-editing vaccine developed using clever things like supercomputers and stuff (like that “cloud” thing they’ve built).

What I’d do next is release a biological “weapon” virus that only kills the people that did not have the original gene-editing vaccine.

Now all of the people who were never vaccinated start dropping dead and the fearful, brainwashed morons would say “See? We told you so! Mandatory vaccination is the only thing to do to stop us losing more of our loved ones who have been brainwashed by dangerous ‘vaccine denier’ propaganda.”

“One more death is a death too many!” they’ll cry.

The rest is history (which will be erased from the Internet so in a few generations time, no one would ever find out – or ever question what happened to them)

I really shouldn’t be giving these people ideas…

244724 ▶▶ leggy, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #963 of 1760 🔗

To be honest, I’d been considering that for a while. It’s what I’d do if I were a psychopath. It’s basically the only reason I’m considering having the vaccine. Bluff or double bluff, that is the question.

244727 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to leggy, 2, #964 of 1760 🔗

YOU READ IT!!!

For disobeying, you loose 250 billion Citizen Credits!!

244743 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #965 of 1760 🔗

Just as well I’ve bought some crypto 🙂 it’s Gates’ “you’ll notice the second one” comment that worries me.

244775 ▶▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to leggy, 3, #966 of 1760 🔗

I think Gates underestimates the immune system. It’s really annoying for him that we don’t actually need his vaccines. The only thing in his favour is stress. Any virus is more likely to replicate in a stressed human and we are all stressed to some degree with just daily life at the moment.

244792 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to leggy, 1, #967 of 1760 🔗

Then again why bother with the biological weapon part if you can do the same from the start with a toxic vaccine? After all, maybe they just want to keep a tiny minority of non-brain-dead ‘vaccine-shy’ slaves around to do their paperwork and cull the rest?

244891 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to leggy, 1, #968 of 1760 🔗

And still I wouldn’t have it.

244729 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #969 of 1760 🔗

In that scenario, I’d prefer to be dead so not taking the vaccine would suit me fine.

244733 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #970 of 1760 🔗

Our backs are against the wall, as the computer in War Games concluded, the only way to win is to not play the game.

Interesting times…

244767 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #971 of 1760 🔗

Same, I do worry how lost our cause is considering what we’re up against.

244999 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to captainbeefheart, #972 of 1760 🔗

They would have to be up to some kind of interdimensional masonic reptilian stuff then, because even if you could do all that, would you just so you can play golf and sip martinis? Not much of a reward for being Mr genocide.

But, if Icke is right, and this is a spiritual war? Then you might be onto something

244732 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 28, #973 of 1760 🔗

We can win this war – we have to win this war.

Work like you have never worked before.

Talk to people one at a time. Start from where they are, do not ‘hit people over the head’ with the truth.

Listen to them, see if you can get them to question. Give each person enough time.

If they are questioning, no need to go into all the WEF details, just point to the destruction around us and encourage them to join the pushback.

Unlock the World. That’s the immediate priority.

244970 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, 2, #974 of 1760 🔗

YES!

245591 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Rosie, #975 of 1760 🔗

Rosie i don’t always agree with all your post but this is the spirit .We need so much more of this .We will win the war and the reason why is that we have people like you onboard . So people be like Rosie and don’t forget .WHAT EVER HAPPENS THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES.

244737 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #976 of 1760 🔗

The Dolan judgement appears to be taking longer than expected

I’m not a lawyer, and this is pure speculation on my part

As a citizen what rights do we have under the law?

None from what I see

We have plenty of laws saying what we can’t do, break into other peoples homes etc

Where is my ‘freedom’ defined?

Should parliament have the power to detain us without trial etc?

Perhaps the Judges are going to outline our inalienable rights

Parliament is corrupt and controlled by two self serving elites

Parliament must be brought to heel

inalienable
[ɪnˈeɪlɪənəb(ə)l]
ADJECTIVE

  1. not subject to being taken away from or given away by the possessor.
  2. “the shareholders have the inalienable right to dismiss directors”
  3. synonyms:
  4. inviolable · absolute · sacrosanct · unchallengeable · unassailable · untransferable · non-transferable · non-negotiable · inherent · imprescriptible · indefeasible
244827 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Cecil B, 2, #977 of 1760 🔗

One of the problems of an unwritten constitution. Magna Carta is about the best UK has got. Of course legal experts would claim that common law is good because it allows flexibility, which is true, but it also depends on it being used. This government has rode roughshod over it by use of edicts which are not being challenged in Parliament.

244888 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to peyrole, #978 of 1760 🔗

Because we have a worthless spineless political class.

244907 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to peyrole, 1, #979 of 1760 🔗

Magna Carta is about the best UK has got.

There was the Declaration/Bill of Rights, 1688/89.

244739 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #980 of 1760 🔗

The Dolan judgement appears to be taking longer than expected

I’m not a lawyer, and this is pure speculation on my part

As a citizen what rights do we have under the law?

None from what I see

We have plenty of laws saying what we can’t do, break into other peoples homes etc

Where is my ‘freedom’ defined?

Should parliament have the power to detain us without trial etc?

Perhaps the Judges are going to outline our inalienable rights

Parliament is corrupt and controlled by two self serving elites

Parliament must be brought to heel

244748 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, #981 of 1760 🔗

We have no constitution unfortunately.

245102 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to leggy, 1, #982 of 1760 🔗

We have the United Nations Human Rights Charter. Ever read it? You would be surprised how vacuous it is. Not reassuring at all.

244749 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #983 of 1760 🔗

Trying to find out. One of my friends was arrested and fined at the Million Mask march. He intends to contest the fine. Brave man is prepared to go to prison in doing so.

Neither of us have any idea how to begin. Please point me in the right direction or offer your services if you can. You can contact me here (this is my website)
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

244846 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Rosie, #984 of 1760 🔗

As I said I am not a lawyer, so it would not be proper for me to give you legal advice

244879 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Rosie, 1, #985 of 1760 🔗

rosie – i just emailed you on the website link of some legal contacts
bon chance!

244992 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sue, #986 of 1760 🔗

Great, thanks, I’ll pick them up later this evening. Brill

244885 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Rosie, 1, #987 of 1760 🔗

Best of luck Rosie.

244994 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bella Donna, #988 of 1760 🔗

Ta, thankfully not me, but a good friend I’m supporting

244755 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cecil B, 3, #989 of 1760 🔗

As a citizen what rights do we have under the law?

Good question. I’m not a lawyer, but I’m guessing the answer is “none” because the government has declared a never-ending state of emergency and can do what the hell it likes for the good of the community (who’s collective rights are more important than yours, you selfish so and so)

Not only that but we only just elected them about 11 months ago, so it’s not like you’ve got any right to complain for the next 4 years. The opposition parties are trying hard to hold the government to account to take more of your rights away from you for your own good during these difficult times, so maybe we should vote for them.

“Common Law” doesn’t make sense anymore because the government doesn’t seem to recognise it, so forget all of these futile court cases and concentrate on how we keep everyone safe.

244791 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #990 of 1760 🔗

Come on – where is your beefy heart?

If you take that attitude, if enough sceptics take that attitude, then we will lose – 100% certainty of losing and if you think things are bad now, just wait another 12 months.

If you fight – we might not lose.

So what are you going to do? Hide under your bed until they come and mask or inject you by force?

Instead you can fight fight fight against the dying of the light

244808 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Rosie, #991 of 1760 🔗

It wasn’t my answer, I was just guessing at what I think the official answer is 🙂

244998 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to captainbeefheart, #992 of 1760 🔗

Hmmm, suggest making that clear, otherwise you encourage bedwetting from sceptics ….

244830 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #993 of 1760 🔗

I think it has to do with the legal powers that r being used which are those outlined in the Coronavirus Bill. I think we definitely have rights but it’s worth referring to the various Lord Sumption articles. The legality of otherwise of these actions I believe lay in the role of Parliament being denied in key legislation and regulations to make endorse or ratify decisions by the power that is concentrated in the hands of just four people.

244886 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #994 of 1760 🔗

If we didn’t have such a spineless lot of MPs Boris would not be allowed to do what he’s doing. He should meet a tyrants end!

244968 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #995 of 1760 🔗

Sumption says that the Act they used said Parliament had to vote on measures. This wasn’t happening and so they were acting unlawfully

244833 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #996 of 1760 🔗

Do not accept a fixed penalty fine then they have to take you to court. Tell them that you have a reasonable excuse to do what you are doing but you don’t need to tell them what it is.

I am not a lawyer, so this is not authoritative guidance.

245110 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to captainbeefheart, #997 of 1760 🔗

I am listening to all of Mark Windows Windows on the World. He doesn’t think that invoking Common Law bothers them very much.

244881 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 1, #998 of 1760 🔗

Our justice system is as corrupt as this government.

244915 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cecil B, 1, #999 of 1760 🔗

It’s a chilling realisation, isn’t it.

Behind the facade of our common law and our parliamentary democracy, the reality is that we have no intrinsic liberty. Parliament is sovereign and whatever parliament says goes.

As far as I’m concerned it’s time for a revolution to establish a set of untouchable individual liberties at the pinnacle of everything.

244747 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 19, #1000 of 1760 🔗

I just made this graph from ONS weekly all cause mortality

I’ve scaled each weekly death count to the average weekly death count for that area

Big first peak = herd immunity = small second peak

It’s over

244756 ▶▶ NickR, replying to steve_w, 5, #1001 of 1760 🔗

Great chart. Can you post the link?
The really interesting one is London. People should remember that Khan led the calls for a 2nd Lockdown, another socialist throwing people out of work. I know, Boris allowed it, but they’re all guilty.
The Tories won the redwall when the northern working class finally realised that socialists hate them even more than Tories do. The London working man is beginning to see this too!

244762 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to NickR, 4, #1002 of 1760 🔗

London has been fine since the spring

244788 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #1004 of 1760 🔗

Good work – and essentially confirms what those who are awake know. It has been over in ant meaningful sense for months

Being picky – I think it’s probably only the London track that is relevant in recent weeks. It’s hard to discriminate between the rest, although they lean towards supporting the thesis.

244790 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, #1005 of 1760 🔗

its a pity our all cause mortality data lags so badly

unlike those clever swedes

244753 helen, replying to helen, 4, #1006 of 1760 🔗

“WIR KRIEGEN DIE SCHWEINE”. Dr Füllmich heute

244855 ▶▶ annie, replying to helen, 2, #1007 of 1760 🔗

Wir kriegen! Wir kriegen! Hoch die Freiheit!

244874 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to helen, #1008 of 1760 🔗

Wirklich?

244989 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to mattghg, #1009 of 1760 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich:

https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20 from about a month ago with Swedish interviewer.
https://youtu.be/XQYzb5_kax8 from 3 days ago, Dutch interviewer

244754 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 44, #1010 of 1760 🔗

Mrs Two-Six just got back from the local cop shop, she went to hand in a car key. No face nappy, walked in and blatantly ignored the insane max 2 person in the room sign, waiting for another customer to be dealt with then engaged with the mask wearing policeman at the desk..

Who said nothing about Mrs 2-6’s lack of a gimp mask.

244802 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Two-Six, 11, #1011 of 1760 🔗

Sadly I stopped going to our excellent bakery just a few doors from my house – which saved me a lot of money though – after the shop assistant tried to stop me from entering as there were already 2 people inside and that was their maximum. They were about to leave, so I made to enter, when they stopped to look at something. They were a couple, so one household, so my logic was they count as 1. This was even before face coverings, and their sign in the window re face coverings did not encourage me to come back.

244852 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Silke David, 5, #1012 of 1760 🔗

Expect them to whine and whinge when they go bust. Serves them right.

244837 ▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1013 of 1760 🔗

Three more cheers for Mrs 26!

244905 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1014 of 1760 🔗

That sounds hopeful – well done Mrs 2-6!

245084 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1015 of 1760 🔗

Mrs 2-6 rocks! Let’s give her all a hand

244757 Locked down and out, replying to Locked down and out, 21, #1016 of 1760 🔗

From Ross Clark at The Spectator:
This week’s figures, however, do allow us to study the effect of Wales’s two-week lockdown – they cover the second week of that. Remarkably they show a rise in prevalence. In the week to 6 November, one in 85 people appeared to have Covid-19 – the same as in England, but an increase in what has been measured in Wales in recent weeks. The trend in Wales, as measured by the ONS, does not seem to suggest any beneficial effect from the two-week circuit-breaker.

244761 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Locked down and out, 12, #1017 of 1760 🔗

Yep. No benefit at all. As we’ve always known, lock downs make no difference.

244784 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Locked down and out, 6, #1018 of 1760 🔗

This will be excellent ammunition to send to my MP who is convinced that Starmer’s 2-week circuit breaker would have saved us all back in September.

244899 ▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1019 of 1760 🔗

But of course the standard reply is that it should have been: sooner, longer, harder and, of course, it would have been worse without it. The Mark Twain quote above is apt.

244785 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Locked down and out, 2, #1020 of 1760 🔗

Basically the casedemic scenario, with its lack of relationship to the real world, is backfiring.

But – of course – that won’t be admitted.

244825 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Locked down and out, #1021 of 1760 🔗

The Welsh data in terms of hospitalisations is particularly flaky as they don’t test but include anyone they think may be positive. That’s why, whilst the population of Wales is about 1 18th of England’s it’s rate of hospitalisations has tended to be proportionately far higher.

244840 ▶▶ annie, replying to Locked down and out, #1022 of 1760 🔗

As we could have told you before that particular bit of bollox started.
Obviously it was the fault of the wicked Welsh for not burying themselves deep enough.

244765 chaos, 4, #1023 of 1760 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bveD3Ruelo
The ‘Great Reset’ will be a ‘bigger virus than COVID’: Hardgrave
Sky News Australia

244771 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 18, #1024 of 1760 🔗

Just posted, BMJ on-line on the government and NHS’s illegal coercive attitude to vaccination:-

Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? (Coercive atmosphere over vaccination) Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? Daniel Sokol. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m3933
Dear Editor
I express concern about the coercive atmosphere being generated over vaccination in this Covid episode which surely infringes the legal right to informed consent of the citizen, having previously remarked here on the repeated comments of the Prime Minister (who is not a medical authority) [1,2].
I have, for example, been forwarded a standard letter to parents who have not signed the consent by ‘School Immunisation Team – Hertfordshire (Vaccination U.K.)’ which has prevented the team from vaccinating a child with nasal flu spray. The letter takes no account of the parental right to refuse. It reads:
“Vaccination UK are coming back to the school for a second visit. Please complete the consent form attached to the school office so we can make sure you child is not missed again…”
This ignores all reasons a parent might have for refusing (for instance issues of health which Vaccination UK are not aware of). At the top we read “Make sure you protect you child against Flu and protect against Pandemics”, but this is problematic since the benefits are by no means straightforward. At the the EMC site we read [3].
“Vaccine recipients should be informed that Fluenz Tetra is an attenuated live virus vaccine and has the potential for transmission to immunocompromised contacts. Vaccine recipients should attempt to avoid, whenever possible, close association with severely immunocompromised individuals (e.g. bone marrow transplant recipients requiring isolation) for 1-2 weeks following vaccination. Peak incidence of vaccine virus recovery occurred 2-3 days post-vaccination in Fluenz clinical studies. In circumstances where contact with severely immunocompromised individuals is unavoidable, the potential risk of transmission of the influenza vaccine virus should be weighed against the risk of acquiring and transmitting wild-type influenza virus.”
Yet this important information is not (perhaps no longer?) in the Patient Information Leaflet [4] even if this is provided: possibly even immunocompromised children at the school might be exposed.
There are a host of complex ethical issues here and it is not clear that the approach of Vaccination UK meets these, while the lack of courtesy is truly disturbing. It is also surely completely out of line with the Montgomery ruling and the new GMC guidelines [5,6]. Moreover, the PIL withholds important information which would seem to invalidate the possibility of informed consent anyway.
[1] John Stone, ‘ Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? Vaccines are a matter of individual autonomy too’, 20 October 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-0
[2] John Stone, ‘Regarding the Use of the Term “Anti-Vaxxer”’, 27 August 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3099/rr-5
[3] https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/29112
[4] https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.3296.pdf
[5] Noel Thomas, ‘ Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue?’ , 4 November 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-9
[6] Daniel Sokol, ‘ New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue?, BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m3933 (Published 12 October 2020)

13 November 2020
John Stone
UK Editor
AgeofAutism.com
London N22
@JohnStone32

244819 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Stone, #1025 of 1760 🔗

I knew I had read that and was shut down when I brought up the need to stay away from vulnerable people after receiving the vaccine. Was told its not in the guidance (the two page sales leaflet)

244823 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John Stone, 1, #1026 of 1760 🔗

Great letter.

244782 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 52, #1027 of 1760 🔗

Good morning from 8 hours behind y’all here in rainy British Columbia.
I’m starting to feel your pain my friends. We have no mask mandate here thank god, but the voluntary compliance is ridiculously high. It’s cool to be a zombie now!
I went in my local grocery store and I swear I didn’t even look at anything to buy for the first 10 minutes but instead was just hoping to spot someone barefaced like myself. Luckily there were like 2 or 3 people still acting like humans!
I’m expecting our government will soon shut down our province again and I’ll soon lose access to my happy place where I go to exercise and maintain my health. No matter that a massive study showed that gyms are plenty safe – it’s time again to stick a knife in all the healthy people who are at very little risk from Cov-shit.

Have a great weekend my UK friends…f**k the lockdown and enjoy your lives!

244795 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Eddie, 5, #1028 of 1760 🔗

So masks are optional everywhere there?

And thanks…

244985 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Julian, 3, #1029 of 1760 🔗

Yes there in no government mandate as of yet. Some stores ‘require’ them but my favorite grocer only strongly recommends them. This voluntary masking (I’d guess 80% participating) just shot up like crazy in just the past two weeks…it’s insane. Canada has been conquered by volunteer zombies and my allies are few and far between.

244799 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Eddie, 36, #1030 of 1760 🔗

The mask is the symbol of the whole thing which is one of the reasons I hate it so much. Not only is it a complete departure from any reasonable science it signifies compliance. It’s the act by which we are visibly and physically humiliated by our government in to subservience. People who say it’s only a mask don’t understand what they are giving up by wearing it.

244822 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Achilles, 2, #1031 of 1760 🔗

A Gessler’s hat.
Like the Hitler salute was one.

244868 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, 3, #1032 of 1760 🔗

Maybe they aren’t giving anything up.
Maybe there was nothing there to begin with.

245000 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Achilles, 2, #1033 of 1760 🔗

Agree 100%
Purely symbolic, humiliating and just plain f**king ridiculous.

244800 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Eddie, 21, #1034 of 1760 🔗

Masks were only introduced in most countries to keep up the narrative that the virus was still at large even though all the stats show it had gone by the end of May. Without that continued fear perception they couldn’t justify any more restrictions.

245009 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1035 of 1760 🔗

And let’s not forget those who wear them proudly as a symbol of their upstanding character on display for all to see. Never has caring about others been such a trendy popularity contest. I cringe whenever one of my Insta contacts posts their happy smiling face covered by a face diaper. Look at me, I’m doing my part!!

244850 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eddie, 6, #1036 of 1760 🔗

Up the bare faces, in Britain, Canada and everywhere!
Every smile is a poke in the eye for THEM.

245012 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to annie, 3, #1037 of 1760 🔗

Yes yes!! My smile is infectious and I’ll keep blasting away at them!

244876 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Eddie, 4, #1038 of 1760 🔗

Greetings from what used to be a country that valued freedom and liberty that was until the Liberal Fascists took over. British Columbia is beautiful and we were hoping to visit there again, unfortunately due to the Globalist Nazis seizing power its looking unlikely that we will be travelling abroad any time soon unless we were one of the Elite, which we are not.

245038 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1039 of 1760 🔗

Hi Bella Donna! I’m sorry to announce that the same scum have their hands on the wheel here in BC. This site has ignited my desire to come visit the UK again but I’m thinking my traveling days are over for a good while.
Hopefully surviving vets of the coming revolutionary war will get good flight discounts when all is said and done. That’s my only hope. 🙂

244898 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Eddie, 7, #1040 of 1760 🔗

Everywhere is safe, not just gyms.
At least in under the definition of safe we all lived with until the beginning of 2020.

244904 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Eddie, 5, #1041 of 1760 🔗

Hey Eddie, glad to hear you’re still able to go barefaced everywhere! In a way I think you’re very fortunate in BC — there is so much voluntary compliance that “Dr.” Bonnie Henry hasn’t needed to mandate masks. That’s not to say it won’t happen, but if it wasn’t mandated I wouldn’t care if I was the only one not wearing one. Our move out of Toronto is final on Tuesday so I’m now quite insulated from much of the nonsense, but the masking is the one thing that limits my life tremendously. I’d be right next to you unmasked everywhere if I lived in BC! I hope your gyms stay open; Toronto’s are still closed. The re-opening of gyms and indoor dining has been delayed, but I had one last patio meal in Toronto the other night and it was quite normal except for the masked waiter (who did complain about the mask). Stay strong and stay human!

245059 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1042 of 1760 🔗

Hi Lisa! I know, I think I’m living on borrowed time here…maybe I should be thankful for the volunteer maskers…never thought of it that way!
Sad you had to leave the city you once loved but you’ll be in paradise soon, tucked away in your country retreat. If one day a dark grey Civic pulls up to the gate with BC plates you’ll know the province has fallen and I’ve escaped for good.
Have a great weekend and stay awesome!

245433 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Eddie, #1043 of 1760 🔗

I am sad to be leaving Toronto and hope to visit often if/when things get back to normal. You’re more than welcome to come visit or stay! We’re not easy to find — which is the idea — but I’ll be happy to direct you. Ontario has gone mad, but you may not be far behind. Even if you lose your gym for a while, at least there are lots of outdoor activities in BC. We’ve got great friends who live in Kitsilano and have a place on the Sunshine Coast as well. If masks on planes are no longer mandatory, we’ll definitely head to BC to visit them. I just can’t tolerate a mask for more than 5 minutes so flying is not happening for some time, unfortunately. You have a great weekend as well!

245510 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1044 of 1760 🔗

I’ve thought about getting a huge water bottle and cashew nut bag for flights, you could carefully work through those for hours.

244803 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 8, #1046 of 1760 🔗

That bloody inaccurate term ‘excess deaths’!!!

But the data is very interesting for comparison.

Only a moron or a liar could claim efficacy for masks and lockdowns.

244809 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #1047 of 1760 🔗

What’s the correct definition again? Sorry, I don’t mean to be annoying

244814 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1048 of 1760 🔗

problem is, what is the baseline?

244826 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to steve_w, 1, #1049 of 1760 🔗

Running average over a fixed period, five years seems to be the standard. It’s a blunt instrument anyway. When you think about 90,000 Swedes die every year, 3000 above an average is barely a statistical blip, even before you allow other variables

244835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Liam, 1, #1050 of 1760 🔗

Yes. Carl Heneghan and Jason Oke wrote about this in June, pointing out that, “the excess can be calculated in different ways.” See:
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/thoughts-on-estimating-excess-mortality-from-covid-19/
And more recently, here:
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/

245208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #1051 of 1760 🔗

Yes – that’s a really important article, but focuses on the method of regression rather than the principle.

244854 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Liam, 4, #1052 of 1760 🔗

the 3000 excess is over Jan -> present, last 5 years average. not far out of normal interannual variability – certainly not bad for a 1 in 100 year pandemic.

244877 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Liam, 2, #1053 of 1760 🔗

Spot on, Liam – particularly if you consider that the past five years have seen historically low mortality, and that therefore a year of higher mortality will be labelled as having major ‘excess’ when, historically, it is nothing exceptional.

244937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, #1054 of 1760 🔗

We need to be careful we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater here though. Excess deaths is arbitrary but it’s one of the key things we often use to show Covid as generally unexceptional. It is also one of the methods by which flu deaths are estimated because flu isn’t tested for, and comparison to flu is one of our arguments also. Of course you can argue whether 5 years is a reasonable time frame but something has to be used for context. Once you go beyond 5 years you do need to keep track of the historical narrative that may be useful to explain changes, such as a recession, investment in health care, cancer breakthrough, etc.

245221 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, #1055 of 1760 🔗

You have a point, Achilles. But the selection of the five-year baseline is so critical. If you compare the different periods of, say 2005-2010 and 2015-2020, the ‘excess’ of 2020 will be very different. Apart from anything else, 5 years is too short a span to capture periodic variation.

244872 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #1056 of 1760 🔗

Precisely – the basis of arbitrarines.

244829 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1057 of 1760 🔗

I don’t think Rick was having a go at you, we all get very frustrated with the terminology, everyone understood what you meant.

244870 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1058 of 1760 🔗

No – this (as Liam says) wasn’t aimed at you, or indeed anyone in particular.

It’s just a technical objection to the term ‘excess deaths’ which implies that there’s a correct/standard number of deaths at any given time.

As I’ve often said – if you take a wider perspective, ‘excess deaths’ are simply the error in a projection calculated from past data.

Deaths vary in both the long and short term. A quick glance at historical data shows that there is no standard baseline – you simply pays yer money and takes yer pick of an ‘average’ or regression line. The fact that there are certain commonly used baselines doesn’t alter that fact one iota.

It’s much better to simply describe a level of mortality in comparative terms against a credible run of historical data referenced to the time of year etc. It’s more long-winded, but less misleading – and is best done graphically.

I know it sounds pedantic, but I’ve come to be wary of the ‘excess’ adjective because it’ so amenable to propaganda (pick your short baseline and give the impression that something fairly ordinary is unusual).

244864 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 2, #1059 of 1760 🔗

Which makes most of the people, or rather zombies, in this country out to be morons, led by liars.
As if we didn’t know.

244831 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to steve_w, 3, #1060 of 1760 🔗

And yet the NYTimes yesterday printed a story with “Sweden is out of control” as a heading.

244843 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #1061 of 1760 🔗

Combination of desperation for Sweden to fail so they are not proved wrong – utterly despicable – and general thirst for fear-inducing headlines – equally despicable

Lockdown zealots accuse us of being callous granny killers, but are egging Sweden to fail. Doing this, they give themselves and their motives away rather….

244848 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 6, #1062 of 1760 🔗

as Tegnell said – ‘judge me in a year’. I think he’s going to come out of it looking pretty good – unsurprising as he just followed sensible protocol rather than untested and uncosted ‘novel’ methods

244851 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Julian, 9, #1063 of 1760 🔗

It’s one of the things that I find most troubling about all this. The flow and control of information has been weaponised. Lies have become truth and truth has become conspiracy.

244871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #1064 of 1760 🔗

Science is being replaced by “This is true because I like it” and “This is minsinformation because I don’t like it”, but the people who do this pretend to be acting in the name of science. It’s the death of rationality. I want these idiots to be given their own country to run, along their muddle-headed lines, so that we can watch that country slowly disintegrate when they discover that the laws of physics etc do not obey their political or social prejudices, and things stop, er, working.

245115 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Julian, 2, #1065 of 1760 🔗

They did. The country is called Great Britain.

245133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #1066 of 1760 🔗

How about the Gobi Desert?

244890 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1067 of 1760 🔗

I was listening to a Tom Woods podcast and his guest coined what I believe to be a new term: conspiracy empiricist. I’ve been calling myself a conspiracy realist (I heard that term from James Corbett) for some time, but I kind of like this other term too. In any event, it’s clear something very evil is going on; I’ve never bought into the idea it’s merely incompetence but I get why some do.

244845 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1068 of 1760 🔗

lies, damn lies and stupid people writing in newspapers

244867 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to steve_w, 2, #1069 of 1760 🔗

Not stupid. Malevolent.
Oh, how they want Swedes to die.

244873 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, 3, #1070 of 1760 🔗

Yes people openly willing Sweden to fail are wicked, and give themselves away as the selfish bastards they are

244859 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1071 of 1760 🔗

In 1932 the New York Slimes stated categorically that the Holodomor wasn’t happening.

“Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda”, and that “there is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation, but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition.”[

Duranty was well aware of the famine. He said in private to Eugene Lyons and reported to the British Embassy that the population of Ukraine and Lower Volga had “decreased” by six to seven million. However, in his reports, Duranty downplayed the impact of food shortages in Ukraine. As Duranty wrote in a dispatch from Moscow in March 1933, “Conditions are bad, but there is no famine… But—to put it brutally—you can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs.”

244865 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1072 of 1760 🔗

MSM is out of control. They need reining in. If they are only choosing to spout propaganda they should be closed down.

244883 ▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 1, #1073 of 1760 🔗

Run it from September 2019 to March 2021 and I hazard a guess Sweden “excess” deaths will be below average.

244818 Adam, replying to Adam, 5, #1074 of 1760 🔗

With Cummings resigning let’s hope Tory mps wake up and remove their inept leader and Hancock mercifully

244832 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Adam, 15, #1075 of 1760 🔗

No mercy, they’ve shown none to the elderly, cancer patients, children or small businesses/ self employed.

245256 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #1076 of 1760 🔗

Eldest daughter a bit upset this evening – very good (teenage) friend has had 7 months of worry that he may have had cancer. Was supposed to go for tests, and then lockdown. No tests. Sitting and waiting for all that time not knowing – and not told anyone. At that age, if it had been cancer, he would either be dead or dying by now probably. I’m not thinking about it – that way madness lies. But how many HAS it happened to? Granny killers – how about the teen-killers?

244838 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Adam, 9, #1077 of 1760 🔗

This is the start of ‘remove Boris’ by end of the year. There is no way the Tory backbenchers will allow the planted Ms Carrie to be dictating things from the bedroom. The end is nigh. The political animal that is Dame Sally Davies has already got her excuses in ahead of the imminent inquiry.

244951 ▶▶▶ duncanpt, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1078 of 1760 🔗

Ms Carrie, aka “The Eco-Bint”

244977 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1079 of 1760 🔗

Unfortunately the ronabollocks could still continue.

244820 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #1080 of 1760 🔗

How they’ll fake the success of the COVID vaccine « Jon Rappoport’s Blog
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/11/13/how-theyll-fake-the-success-of-the-covid-vaccine/

244849 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1081 of 1760 🔗

Every point made is perfectly feasible.

244860 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1082 of 1760 🔗

Actually using the methods he outlines, the authorities would not require a vaccine, a placebo that was labelled vaccine would work just as well, but with the upside that it would not harm anyone.

244882 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1083 of 1760 🔗

For them, that would be a downside …

244884 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1084 of 1760 🔗

A vial of saline would be cheaper to produce as well. Double bubble.

245135 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mabel Cow, #1085 of 1760 🔗

Double Bubble Chewing Gum.

245246 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, #1086 of 1760 🔗

If they would just let us know that’s all it was, and we could all just wink and play their imaginary games – just so they can claim they won.
But I had a Dad who NEVER let me win at Monopoly, so not sure I could even do that.

244878 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1087 of 1760 🔗

If we’ve already achieved herd immunity as suggested by many they won’t need to do anything other than claim victory.

244969 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #1088 of 1760 🔗

Although I have been following this for months, I constantly struggle to take on board the level of fraud being perpetrated.

244978 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1089 of 1760 🔗

And when you add to that decades of fraud via the climate change scam, you begin to understand why western civilization and economies are on their last gasp.

Kiss of life being administered by Lockdown Sceptics 🙂

244834 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1090 of 1760 🔗

Anybody remember this 80s series:

“If you’re going to do it, do it right. V for Victory”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbmyIzsCpk0

244880 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1091 of 1760 🔗

Heh. That was my first response on all the covid-bollox notices near us. I stopped as I didn’t think it would ring enough bells. 🙂

244956 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Nobody2020, #1092 of 1760 🔗

Oh my that was definitely one of the can’t miss shows from my childhood!

244836 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1093 of 1760 🔗
244922 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1094 of 1760 🔗

Thanks for link. Great.,Anyone worried about an elderly relative in a care ( care??) home should go armed with a copy.
Note this especially, as a clearly stated criterion. Account must be taken of :

the health and wellbeing risks arising from the needs of the cohort of residents in that setting – this should include both whether their residents’ needs make them particularly clinically vulnerable to COVID-19 and whether their residents’ needs make visits particularly important (for example, people with dementia, a learning disability or autistic people may be permitted visitors when restricting visitors could cause some of the residents to be distressed).

My bold.

245015 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Blackburn, -3, #1095 of 1760 🔗

I suggest you stop spreading BS… FMS.

244839 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 33, #1096 of 1760 🔗

My wife went to visit our younger son who lives near Stourbridge today and as she entered the outskirts of the town, on a main road she saw a large LED warning notice saying “you are near a high Covid risk area, do not enter unless you have a essential reason to do so”, my wife had plenty of time to read it as she was in a tailback (you’ve got it) entering Stourbridge.
What do they say? YOU COULDN’T MAKE IT UP.

244858 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1097 of 1760 🔗

I like it, I like it.

244866 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 10, #1098 of 1760 🔗

I think that the comedy writers of the future will have a treasure trove of material to work with after this “comedy of errors”, but the tragedy of this is the millions of lives ruined for a generation

244926 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1099 of 1760 🔗

Monty Python and Covid would be brilliant. I mean, not watching MP while sick with covid…you know what I mean

244929 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Eddie, 2, #1100 of 1760 🔗

Did the parrot die of Covid?

245149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1101 of 1760 🔗

Was it a Norwegian Blue?

245145 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddie, 1, #1102 of 1760 🔗

Nudge, nudge, wink wink.

244901 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1103 of 1760 🔗

Keep your windows shut, wear a mask, wear gloves, stay in your vehicle. Sound horn if in distress, a keeper will come to your assistance.

244935 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Two-Six, 5, #1104 of 1760 🔗

Sounds like the West Midlands safari park.

244923 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1105 of 1760 🔗

We are living in an active movie set it seems.
Every time I drive under the big signs on our highways STAY SAFE, PLAN AHEAD, STOP THE SPREAD I never fail to yell F**K OFF!! while I zoom past at 110km/h. Every little bit counts!

244928 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Eddie, 2, #1106 of 1760 🔗

Like it!

244931 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Eddie, 6, #1107 of 1760 🔗

Every time it comes on the radio I erupt into an irrational fit of anger with multiple profanities expelled. I’m glad i’m not alone!

244954 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1108 of 1760 🔗

Fully audible fits of rage are perfectly normal and healthy in these times JH.
I found myself saying “oh f**k off please!” at just the sight of a display full of fashionable masks. Silly animal faced ones with adults wearing them on the packaging…uuuugh!!

245155 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JHuntz, #1109 of 1760 🔗

Send them audio files with guffawing and canned laughter superimposed over their voices.

245326 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to JHuntz, #1110 of 1760 🔗

I was out at the bin and missed most of Classic FM’s traditional covid propaganda advert this evening, just catching the “Stay alert…” bit at the end, so I didn’t shout very loudly at the radio this time.

244942 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1111 of 1760 🔗

Is that one of those signs that continues to flash a 40 mph speed limit for six months after the road works have finished?

244996 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1112 of 1760 🔗

Probably.

245141 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1113 of 1760 🔗

Signs like yours are popping up on bus shelters all over the City of Montreal. I don’t drive a car but I would bet that there are similar warning signs popping up along the autoroutes as well.

244861 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #1114 of 1760 🔗

God forbid that Biden wins and makes Obarmy the UK Ambassador, that will not bode well for US/UK relations.

244875 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1115 of 1760 🔗

Oh, heavens; just when you think we must have hit rock bottom!

244914 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1116 of 1760 🔗

We might get legal weed.

245029 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1117 of 1760 🔗

Thought you were going to try our neighbours?

245045 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 1, #1118 of 1760 🔗

lol, it smelt pretty fruity!

245058 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bella Donna, #1119 of 1760 🔗

Until the plebs realise his connections to the slave trade – then watch him get cancelled. Right?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/mar/04/uselections2008.barackobama

245158 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1120 of 1760 🔗

Let’s make him Irish. O’Barmy.

244887 chaos, 4, #1121 of 1760 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bveD3Ruelo
The ‘Great Reset’ will be a ‘bigger virus than COVID’: Hardgrave
Sky News Australia

244889 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 9, #1122 of 1760 🔗

Elon’s got it: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1327287240058302466

Wonder if that’ll help people spend 5 minutes looking at how pointless the PCR tests are question their own positives.

244893 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Anothersceptic2, 13, #1123 of 1760 🔗

He’s one of the very few people who is rich enough, and brave enough to take on Mr & Mrs Gates. Go Elon Go!

244910 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1124 of 1760 🔗

Gotta love the negative replies…how dare a influential figure have an opinion. So dangerous and irresponsible!!

245040 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Eddie, 1, #1125 of 1760 🔗

The man has done more for advancement and disruption in the space industry than anyone else in recent years. That is a double-edged sword because there’ll be more stuff up there with more constellations being added.

245049 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Eddie, 5, #1126 of 1760 🔗

Yes, it’s funny how Gates the Computer Man must be right about all things medical, but anyone else not medically qualified must be wrong.

244895 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1127 of 1760 🔗

Once it’s accepted that the PCR positive tests are nearly all false positives the whole thing falls like a deck of cards

Once this occurs not one of the recorded ‘covid deaths’ can be attributed to covid

If we have worked it out, then you can take it that ‘they’ have also worked it out

The science will soon be incontrovertible

I suspect this weeks events are about the next phase, the blame game and saving the Conservative Party

244900 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1128 of 1760 🔗

I hope so, but why will “The science soon become incontrovertible”?

244917 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1129 of 1760 🔗

It can’t be saved. It’s finished.

244932 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Jonathan Castro, #1130 of 1760 🔗

it most certainly is

244934 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1131 of 1760 🔗

The biggest problem is the MSM obsession with daily “cases”.

244947 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1132 of 1760 🔗

Forgive my scepticism, but it’s never going to be accepted publicly by those in the driving seat. However, I don’t think that matters too much – even if the PCR was beyond criticism, so what? That still doesn’t justify lockdowns, wider economic suicide and the imposition of relational malnutrition (shout out to Alethea for this terminology) on those of us who remain human, despite every attempt to dehumanise us.

244971 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1133 of 1760 🔗

Indeed. Listen to these two videos, set to become the most important happening of our lifetime.

Reiner Fuellmich:

https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20 from about a month ago with Swedish interviewer.

https://youtu.be/XQYzb5_kax8 from 3 days ago, Dutch interviewer

244997 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1134 of 1760 🔗

I’m sure many of you will be aware of this but it does amuse me:

  • Liverpool mass testing using Lateral Flow method, 0.5% positive rate.
  • ONS prevalence study across the country, about 1%
  • PCR testing nationally about 8%

My understanding is that they’re not attempting to validate the positive PCR tests in Liverpool with a lateral flow test, or the positive lateral flow tests with a PCR test.
Liverpool is supposed to be a hotspot. Can anyone shed any light on what’s going on?

245047 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NickR, 2, #1135 of 1760 🔗

I would expect the PCR testing to have a higher positive rate, as some at least it aimed at people with symptoms/people in hospital, whereas ONS testing for example is random. But not eight times higher, so something must be going on.

I would bet money that the lateral flow method is only identifying “real” infectious cases, whereas PCR with cycle threshold ramped up to 40-something is generating positives from nothing.

245099 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to NickR, 1, #1136 of 1760 🔗

Forget the 8% one it’s not a random sample and has some unknown bias towards symptomatic test subjects so is meaningless.

Comparing ONS with lateral flow in Liverpool shows that one or both tests are outside their claimed accuracy ranges.

Most likely the ONS have a bit worse specificity than they think and lateral flow has very poor sensitivity (as has already been reported by MTEG who did their own testing).

True prevalence in Liverpool probably about 1.5% but of course we don’t know. The range is from 0% to about 2%.

245157 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to guy153, #1137 of 1760 🔗

But why not check one against the other?

245222 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to NickR, 1, #1138 of 1760 🔗

Yes I agree that would be worth doing and is an excellent idea. So no doubt they won’t do it.

245566 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to NickR, #1139 of 1760 🔗

This is Clare Craig ‘s whole argument .

245241 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, #1140 of 1760 🔗

No point is there? (and this from a lifelong C voter btw – never again)

244896 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 11, #1141 of 1760 🔗

I’ve been reading about this skip fire of infighting and resignations at No 10. It seems that Johnson has surrounded himself with advisors who are from the Guardian and The Mirror. Why would a supposed Conservative do that? It the same with most Quango appointments. It’s almost as if Johnson is not really a Conservative. That can’t be the case, can it?
In any case, he has managed to make himself look like a weakling who allows his current squeeze to call the shots.

244912 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to PhilipF, 12, #1142 of 1760 🔗

He was never a conservative. Nor are the rest of the “Conservative” party.

244916 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PhilipF, 8, #1143 of 1760 🔗

It depends what you mean by “Conservative”. He’s not a small-c conservative – he’s a bourgeois, metropolitan, bohemian liberal to steal a phrase from Hitchens. In so far as you think the Conservative Party represents small-c conservatives, he has no business leading it – but it actually doesn’t and hasn’t done for some time. Cameron wasn’t a conservative either.

I don’t think he’s got much in the way of ideology, politically – other than to stay in power by any means necessary.

244939 ▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Julian, 10, #1144 of 1760 🔗

Hitchens was right. The Conservative party should have been put-down in the early 2000s.

244918 ▶▶ stewart, replying to PhilipF, 2, #1145 of 1760 🔗

Who knew we had a quasi presidential system of government.

244930 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to PhilipF, 9, #1146 of 1760 🔗

He is not a Conservative or a Libertarian. He, like his parents and siblings, is a metropolitan Liberal Democrat. In other words, neither Liberal (aside from the Libertine bit) nor a Democrat.

245535 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1147 of 1760 🔗

Essentially he’s just a self-serving pillock.

244975 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 6, #1148 of 1760 🔗

I’m looking forward to the day, that will inevitably come, when he arrives back at Downing Street to find “Carrie” throwing all his clothes out of an upstairs window.

244897 annie, replying to annie, 49, #1149 of 1760 🔗

Suggested recipe for dissipating Coronablues. Quantities and ingredients can be varied to suit your taste.

  1. Shop for cheese and vegetables at local farm shop. Enjoy sight of lots of un-nappied people enjoying a late lunch in the cosy adjoining café. Buy cheese with seaweed in, on the grounds that seaweed is known to hold Covid at bay. Or put hairs on your chest. Or make you speak Welsh with a Swansea accent. Doesn’t really matter which. Buy reprehensibly large piece of cake to eat at home.
  2. Take dog for windy walk along coast path. Enjoy sight of waves crashing against red rocks in clouds of spray. Everything in scene confirms that Nature doesn’t give a damn for zombie idiocy.
  3. Admire persistence of surfers. Bob about in freezing water, miss ten waves, wobble upright on eleventh wave, glide magnificently for five seconds, flop back in sea, repeat ad lib. Good lesson for LD sceptics: never give up, even if you feel you’re in a trough.
  4. Cross beach, greeting various dog owners and other sane people.
  5. Go back via main car park. Tear down seven Covvie notices. Spare one in order to affix subversive sticker. Realise that the operation has been observed, but luckily by a twinkly sort of man with a beard who thinks it’s a great idea.
  6. Rip Covvie notices to shreds and deposit in bin.
  7. Return home and consume reprehensibly large piece of cake along with about a gallon of tea.

This recipe is guaranteed. You can’t fail.

244906 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to annie, 7, #1150 of 1760 🔗

Another great read that made me smile, thanks annie. Respect from one writer (allegedly) to another (a darn good one)

244925 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to annie, 2, #1151 of 1760 🔗

Oh how I laughed. Thanks Annie!

244962 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1152 of 1760 🔗

Brilliant, thanks Annie !!

244953 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to annie, 1, #1153 of 1760 🔗

Uptick for glide magnificently.

244967 ▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, #1154 of 1760 🔗

Thanks for that Annie, the sheep probably would eat seaweed cheese if they were told to. The zealots would do it with insufferable SM coverage.

245207 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 1, #1155 of 1760 🔗

‘Reprehensibly’? I hardly think so. You will have expended significant calories in the destruction of all that moronic plague signage.

245406 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 1, #1156 of 1760 🔗

Yeah, that plasticky glue can put up strenuous resistance!

244909 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 1, #1157 of 1760 🔗

Has that Alan Jones bloke in Australia stopped broadcasting? I really enjoyed watching him back in July/August, but I have not seen him referenced for ages.

244920 ▶▶ DRW, replying to PhilipF, 2, #1158 of 1760 🔗

He did a couple of videos this week about the USA election situation.

244958 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PhilipF, #1159 of 1760 🔗

He’s still putting out good stuff.

https://youtu.be/oS8VbBlXojY

I suspect he’s been told to tone it down a bit, but that’s only an assumption. Plenty of his vids on the Sky News Oz youtube channel.

245210 ▶▶ Tking, replying to PhilipF, #1160 of 1760 🔗

https://www.skynews.com.au/page/alan-jones
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8931405/Alan-Jones-boosts-audience-Sky-News-show.html

He is around on Sky Australia and does a show 4 nights a week, he did do a very popular radio show for many years, but retired from that a few months ago now, I just wish we had him here, he is one of my favourite broadcasters.

244913 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 76, #1161 of 1760 🔗

Picture the scene. Tesco. A masked man (shopper) stands in the aisle giving yours truly daggers while I look whiskey. Paraphrasing slightly, but from memory:

Danny: ‘You alright, mate?’

Masked man: ‘Where’s your mask? ‘

D: ‘I don’t have a mask.’

MM: ‘Why not?’

D: ‘None of your business, pal.’

Masked man scuttles off only to return a minute later with a female member of staff.

Female member of staff: ‘Sorry sir, but this gentleman is concerned because you’re not wearing a mask.’

D: ‘Poor soul.’

FMS: ‘Do you have a mask, sir?’

D: ‘No, I’m exempt, darlin’.’

FMS: ‘Okay, sir, sorry to have troubled you.’

MM: ‘Aren’t you going to ask him the reason why he is ‘exempt’ (the mug did air quotes)?

FMS: ‘No, sir, we are not supposed to ask that question.’

Masked man storms off with yours truly’s ‘You mug!’ ringing in his ears.

I could have kissed the woman. I thanked her for appreciating what the guidlines state, and she gave me a little wink.

There’s hope yet.

244919 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to common conservative, 13, #1162 of 1760 🔗

Self righteous mug. The worst type!

244933 ▶▶ stewart, replying to common conservative, 20, #1163 of 1760 🔗

If the police ever want to set up a network of informants, I suspect there will be no shortage of applicants.

A chilling reminder that we are now barely a step or two away from a full blown police dictatorship, a la East Germany or North Korea.

245050 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to stewart, 4, #1164 of 1760 🔗

They apparently used to tar and feathered collaborators, I think we should bring it back!

245167 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1165 of 1760 🔗

How about treacle?

245517 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1166 of 1760 🔗

Tar’s harder to get off.
Treacle would be interesting in wasp season but it’s a bit late for that now.

245560 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, #1167 of 1760 🔗

Some had their heads shaved. That was in France after WW2 I believe.

244938 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to common conservative, 6, #1168 of 1760 🔗

Well in danny. Been waiting for someone to challenge me but still waiting on poppping that cherry.

244959 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Eddie, 2, #1169 of 1760 🔗

I’d had some stares priorly, Eddie, so I was more than ready for some burk to pipe up.

244940 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to common conservative, 3, #1170 of 1760 🔗

Great. But what was the whisk(e)y – we need to know!

244950 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1171 of 1760 🔗

Old Pulteney, sister!

244964 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to common conservative, 2, #1172 of 1760 🔗

A Highlands man.

Very much enjoyed your post!

244974 ▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1173 of 1760 🔗

Oh, it’s liquid gold! Smooth as a baby’s bum. It’s in my top ten.

Thank you, sister.

245169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to common conservative, 2, #1174 of 1760 🔗

I bought a bottle of Old Pulteney two years when I was on a try every Whisky kick. Tasty, but very expensive here in Montreal.

245277 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to richard riewer, #1175 of 1760 🔗

On a good day I can get a bottle for around £20.00, on a normal day around £30.00. If there’s a potential bonus in there then give me a shout and we’ll link up, brother.

244948 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to common conservative, 2, #1176 of 1760 🔗

Did the female member of staff have a mask?
So often in Sainsburys lately the customers are masked , the staff , except on checkout, not masked.

244965 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1177 of 1760 🔗

She did, mate, but – in reverse to your experience – in Tesco it’s almost invariably the checkout staff who don’t wear masks while the ‘on floor’ staff generally do.

245520 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mikewaite, #1178 of 1760 🔗

Checkout staff don’t need masks due to screens. Shopfloor staff supposed to wear a mask “if they can’t keep a reasonable distance”

245314 ▶▶ Edward, replying to common conservative, 3, #1179 of 1760 🔗

Well done Tesco (not something I say very often). Entering Lidl this morning I was disappointed to see somebody on the door, but his reaction to my exemption badge was a routine “Yeah yeah”.

245398 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Edward, #1180 of 1760 🔗

What the hell is ‘Lidl’ when it’s at home? 😉

245483 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to common conservative, #1181 of 1760 🔗

Its one step down from Tesco 😁 😉

244924 Darryl, 4, #1182 of 1760 🔗

Crazy that the NHS (and its million plus employees) are burying good caring members of staff like this. There should be outrage amongst ex-colleagues about how this lady was treated, but they all side with the evil establishment. All the uncaring employees will be happily just following orders like robots.
JASON LIOSATOS OUTSIDE THE BOX: HEALTHCARE WORKER EXPOSES REAL COVID-19 CASES – SHELLEY TASK
https://www.bitchute.com/video/IzEyLr5LPPZ1/

244941 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 9, #1183 of 1760 🔗

Somebody earlier – I cannot find the original comment – suggested a US Iraqi playing card deck for the guilty people – my nominations below – please expand

Ace of Spades                 Bojo
Ace of Hearts                    Whitty
Ace of Diamonds             Vallance
Ace of Clubs                      Hancock
King of Spades                 Fergusson
King of Hearts                   Simon Stevens (Head of HNS England)
King of Diamonds            Sunak
King of Clubs                     Van Tham
Queen of Spades             Sturgeon
Queen of Hearts              Dido Harding
Queen of Diamonds       Patel
Queen of Clubs                Kate Bingham
Jack of Spades                  Cummings
Jack of Hearts                   Piers Morgan
Jack of Diamonds            Drakeford
Jack of Clubs                    Margaret Ferrier

244944 ▶▶ annie, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #1184 of 1760 🔗

Can’t we have Tarot cards with Wancock as the Hanged Man?

244957 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 3, #1185 of 1760 🔗

The Hanged Man is a positive archetype. Footpenis is more like 8 or 9 of swords.

244990 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to annie, 1, #1186 of 1760 🔗

The Tower

245511 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1187 of 1760 🔗

Don’t dare desecrate the Tarot!

244952 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1188 of 1760 🔗

An excellent start. This needs some serious consideration.

245003 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #1189 of 1760 🔗

was me!

When this is over and the advisors and associated nutters are in hiding, we will need one of these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most-wanted_Iraqi_playing_cards
maybe list the top 52 (will be a struggle keeping it to that), some sort of vote, and get the cards procured in time for xmas.

great start!

I vote

two of clubs – devi sridhar

245006 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #1190 of 1760 🔗

Cards 10 to Seven

10 Spades                          Kier Starmer
10 Hearts                            John Edmunds (SAGE)
10 Diamonds                     Jeremy Farrar (SAGE)
10 Clubs                              Devi Sridhar
9 Spades                             Jenny Harries (deputy CMO England)
9 Hearts                              Catherine Calderwood (ex CMO Scotland)
9 Diamonds                       Frank Atherton (CMO wales)
8 Spades                             Michael Mc Bride (CMO Northern Ireland)
8 Hearts                              Steven Powis (NHS)
8 Diamonds                       Joe Fitzpatrick (Scotland Health Minister)
8 Clubs                                Vaughan Gething (welsh Health Minister)
7 Spades                             Gregor Smith (CMO Scotland)
7 Hearts                              Helen Whately (Social Care Minister)
7 Diamonds                       jean Freeman (Scotland health Minister)
7 Clubs                                Edward Argar (junior Health Minister)

245220 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #1191 of 1760 🔗

Although I know we are independent, if you have trouble identifying 52 terrorists for the full deck, feel free to add Varadkar, Harris, Reid and Holohan from the Republic of Ireland.

245016 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #1192 of 1760 🔗

Trish “everyone should be forced to wear a mask even though there’s no good evidence for it” Greenhalgh should be in there.

245074 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to mattghg, 1, #1193 of 1760 🔗

Robert Peston needs to be in there somewhere too?

245514 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1194 of 1760 🔗

With Piers Morgan.

245031 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Aslangeo, #1195 of 1760 🔗

Everyone of them should just be made Joker.

245324 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #1196 of 1760 🔗

The joker – Comrade Starmer

244945 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1197 of 1760 🔗

Reading the comments earlier about how musicians hate working under antisocial-distancing conditions made me remember the amazing work of the Heart Math Institute and electromagnetic fields.

The EMF of the human heart can be detected at several feet and making live music is very much about being attuned to the other musicians.

Yet another reason why we it’s essential to keep positive and not sink into defeatist pessimism:

Although additional research will be required to determine the nature and function of this energy/information the heart sends out, HMI’s researchers have conducted numerous studies on how positive emotions can affect us. Participants in several studies, and indeed thousands of people worldwide who are using the HeartMath System of tools and technology, can attest to a broad range of benefits resulting from intentionally experiencing certain emotions , which HeartMath calls emotion self-regulation.

The top wave (blue) in the graph is the mother’s signal averaged electroencephalograph (EEG), or brainwave signal. The bottom wave is her infant’s signal averaged electrocardiogram (ECG). Signal averaging is a technique for detecting synchronization between two signals. In this example, the mother’s brainwave is clearly synchronized to her baby’s heartbeat.

https://www.heartmath.org/articles-of-the-heart/science-of-the-heart/the-energetic-heart-is-unfolding/

244955 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1198 of 1760 🔗

Thanks for that, very interesting.

Music making is about ensemble, and when that is going well the sensation is without parallel in anything else in life I have ever experienced. No doubt the same thing is felt in other activities – humans and the material world working together to create beauty

244963 ▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Rosie, 4, #1199 of 1760 🔗

The rot set in when they starting surrounding drummers with perspex walls.

245048 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Rosie, 1, #1200 of 1760 🔗

I read somewhere once that when doing studio recordings in the 80s and 90s they used to spread everyone in the orchestra out about 2m apart. Nothing to do with viruses. Apparently it sounds better like that on the recording.

245403 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 3, #1201 of 1760 🔗

It us most certainly true a about music. and the most wonderful thing is that you don’t have to be a very good singer/player to experience that uplift. You just have to sing with the spirit, the heart, and the understanding.
Silencing the singing voice is one of THEIR greatest crimes.

245473 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 2, #1202 of 1760 🔗

Choir would have saved me from this – I could have coped infinitely better

245507 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #1203 of 1760 🔗

Nothing unites people more effectively than singing together.

244961 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1204 of 1760 🔗

There was club in the Dome in London called Matter, a sister club to Fabric. It had the Japanese BodySonic Dance floor. Speakers directed at the dance floor with sub woofers in the floor making you feel the music. Some parts were so intense there were empty parts of the floor where people would leap into thinking there was a break, only to learn quickly why not.

245301 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1205 of 1760 🔗

I can’t remember the details, but I’ve read an article about the percussionist Milford Graves who goes deeply into the connections between playing music and processes within the human body.

244960 stewart, replying to stewart, 14, #1206 of 1760 🔗

So it appears the country is now being run by Carrie Symonds.

Is it fair to say that Boris Johnson will go down as Britain’s most incompetent and pathetic Prime Minister ever?

244976 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to stewart, 5, #1207 of 1760 🔗

He’s certainly going down, and sooner rather than later. What a bloody joke. It would be funny but for lockdown, and of course, Brexit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8943909/Dominic-Cummings-set-resign-No10-meltdown.html

‘Knackered’ Boris ‘will leave Number 10 in a year’: Tories predict chaos and Brussels gloats that UK is about to cave in on Brexit as Vote Leave maestro Dominic Cummings is driven out as part of Downing Street ‘reset’ overseen by Carrie’

245014 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1208 of 1760 🔗

A ‘reset’ you say?

244982 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to stewart, 1, #1209 of 1760 🔗

Do you mean to say there is still some doubt on that question?

245025 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to stewart, 5, #1210 of 1760 🔗

Can you believe this. We now have to contend with Borris Johnson’s fiancé running the country. It’s beyond clap trap. Anyone vote for her ???

245060 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Leemc23, 4, #1211 of 1760 🔗

Who voted for Whitless and Vacuous ?

245170 ▶▶ Mark, replying to stewart, 2, #1212 of 1760 🔗

I think it’s pretty incontrovertible that he’s done more damage to the country than any previous PM in history. And he was up against characters like Blair.

But look on the bright side – once he’s replaced, we can build back better….

245559 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 2, #1213 of 1760 🔗

Rasputin is gone but Alexandra Feodorovna is still there.

Maybe we should start a petition to get her out as well.

244966 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1214 of 1760 🔗

Dr Grosten (sp?) is mentionned at minute 50 of the Dr. Mike Yeadon presentation on Youtube. Declared that he had made a foolproof PCR tester.What a slimeball,

244984 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1215 of 1760 🔗
244993 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1216 of 1760 🔗

Prison is too good.

244987 ▶▶ leggy, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1217 of 1760 🔗

Drosten. He’s a key player in the whole scam. Excerpt from Corona: False Alarm:

1. How reliable was the test for virus detection?

The virus is present in the nasopharynx for approximately two weeks, during which time it can be detected. How is this done? Viral RNA is transcribed into DNA and quantified by the so-called polymerase chain reaction (PCR). The first assay for the new coronavirus was developed under guidance of Professor Christian Drosten, Head of the Institute for Virology at the Charité Berlin. This test was used worldwide in the initial months of the outbreak. Tests from other laboratories followed.

Diagnostic PCR tests must normally undergo stringent quality assessment and be approved by regulatory agencies before use. This is important because no laboratory test can ever give 100% correct results. The quality control requirements were essentially shelved in the case of SARS-CoV-2 because of declared international urgency. Consequently, nothing was really known regarding test reliability, specificity and sensitivity. In essence, these parameters give an indication of how many false-positive or false-negative results should be expected. The test protocol from the Drosten laboratory were used worldwide, and test results played a key role in political decision-making. Yet, data interpretation was often largely a matter of belief. What did Drosten himself say on Twitter?

//:0 Sure: Towards the end of the illness the PCR is sometimes positive and sometimes negative. Here, chance plays a role. When you test a patient twice as negative and discharge him as cured, it is indeed possible that you can have positive test results again at home. But this is still far from being a re-infection.

Thoroughly recommend you read the book – it’s available as a free download if you search for it.

244973 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #1218 of 1760 🔗

And while the herd of moron slaves keeps on grazing… The representatives of the SRF and the Billionaires themselves (at least one) goes to DS10 to ORDER jester boris what to do in the UK and what to relay the ORDERS at the next G7 to the other jesters!

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244980 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Voz 0db, #1219 of 1760 🔗

Have a day off

244991 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Blackburn, -1, #1220 of 1760 🔗

Mééééé…

244981 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Voz 0db, -1, #1221 of 1760 🔗

They say your a bumbling idiot Boris… Your actually an evil genius!

244988 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JHuntz, -1, #1222 of 1760 🔗

Muuuu

245182 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1223 of 1760 🔗

The global pharmaceutical mafia. An important piece of the Global Action Plan, courtesy of the United Nations.

244979 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, #1224 of 1760 🔗

Is hospital occupancy and respiratory illness still at or below average for the time of year, in most parts of the country at least? Where can I find evidence? Just responding to my MP who is convinced that hospitals are about to be overwhelmed by the “surging” cases and deaths.

244986 ▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1225 of 1760 🔗

CEBM usually a good source for these things.

245027 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, #1226 of 1760 🔗

Sadly their most recent update is 12 Oct, and it doesn’t compare current levels to average levels anyway. I need to point her specifically to this comparison, otherwise she will just respond with the “admissions rising” data which of course always rises at this time of year.

245022 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1227 of 1760 🔗

Not sure but NHS updated stats for Covid Admissions (amongst other thing) came out yesterday. If you google for it you can see the spread sheet and nos for each Hospital Trust upto 5 Nov. My Hospital Trust in the South East – at least 3 Hospitals covering a million people had just 8 Covid patients on the day of the lockdown. You can compare other Trusts. Also of interest is the no of staff working for 111 off sick from work due to Covid related reasons. Too worn out from answering the phones now!!

245035 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Suzyv, #1228 of 1760 🔗

Thanks. I particularly want a comparison with the average for this time of year.

245001 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 10, #1229 of 1760 🔗

In the meantime do enjoy the fakery of chemicals reactions that are NOT TESTS!

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FUN FACT: PCR isn’t “more reliable” and much less a “test”!

245036 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1230 of 1760 🔗

His rapid antigen test might have been the lateral flow ones not PCR. Testing negative twice and positive twice is not that improbable as the lateral flow test may be as bad as 50% sensitive. Even PCR is often not much better than that.

The chances are he has a real infection. If he gets Covid I wish him a speedy recovery.

245138 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to guy153, 3, #1231 of 1760 🔗

If he gets Covid I wish him a speedy recovery .”

I’m not a fan of pretending to care about celebrities (I’ve never knowingly met Musk, even in the modern virtual way we’ve all met on here), but in this case it would be very bad if he were to get seriously ill, as one of the few high profile, stupidly wealthy sceptics.

245265 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Mark, #1232 of 1760 🔗

He’s just having a Cristiano Ronaldo tests party!

245002 John P, replying to John P, -3, #1233 of 1760 🔗

Stand clear, I’ve been stewing all afternoon and I’m on the warpath.

Some people here are so thick and stupid that you’d let Johnson and his cabal go wouldn’t you?

He’d stand in the dock and shrug, and with that sad dog look say, “Bill Gates made me do it.”

And you’d believe him wouldn’t you? You are so stupid that you’d believe his lies and let him go.

Gates – creepy Bill Gates – IS NOT IN CHARGE HERE.

JOHNSON IS!

Get that through your soft, thick-as-pigshit skulls!

245007 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John P, 6, #1234 of 1760 🔗

The SRF & Billionaires use jesters like boris johnson to do whatever They want.

jester boris johnson is just obeying ORDERS.

Change the jester… but it won’t CHANGE anything else.

Quite the moron slave you’re!

245010 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to John P, 8, #1235 of 1760 🔗

Go and have a lie down?

245107 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to mattghg, 1, #1236 of 1760 🔗

Yep… he’s not performing well!

245030 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to John P, 5, #1237 of 1760 🔗

You are correct John. The money was just resting in Boris’ account

245054 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 7, #1238 of 1760 🔗

Leaving aside the exact dynamic between he PM and Gates, I don’t think many people here would save the PM regardless of whether they think he is following orders or giving them

245073 ▶▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to Julian, 3, #1239 of 1760 🔗

You hang the generals and their lieutenants, obeying orders or not…

245064 ▶▶ steph, replying to John P, 4, #1240 of 1760 🔗

I’m fairly sure many of us have said the buck stops with Boris.
Having a bad day?

245176 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to John P, 2, #1241 of 1760 🔗

Don’t care so long as we go get them all.

For the legal measures to have success they need public backing, so go out there and convert people 🙂

245183 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to John P, 2, #1242 of 1760 🔗

F ’em all I say!
That last sentence won’t convert anyone though.

245209 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 3, #1243 of 1760 🔗

As a former public servant, I have to tell you that if you think that the politicians control anything, you are the fool.

245309 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #1244 of 1760 🔗

You’re fighting the wrong people here John. Misguided or otherwise, we’re on your side.

245340 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, #1245 of 1760 🔗

Still fighting your straw man.The global nature of this is undeniable.Does that excuse Johnson, no,and I don’t read anyone else excusing him.He was elected to serve the British people and has failed miserably.

245011 langers, replying to langers, 8, #1246 of 1760 🔗
245018 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to langers, 12, #1247 of 1760 🔗

Pfeffel jettisoning his advisors to save his own skin. Scientists next pretty please.

245055 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1248 of 1760 🔗

Pfeffel, by all conventional Whitehall wisdom, is a dead man walking. It’s only a matter of time now.

245374 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, #1249 of 1760 🔗

So what? A Mr/Mrs Nicey doll who moves on to the next stage of idiocy under cover of the notion of ‘change’?

245117 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1250 of 1760 🔗

His own skin is beyond redemption now. The sooner he goes the better for all concerned, Brexit or no Brexit.
The issues confronting the nation make Brexit look as significant as a picnic in the park.

245120 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1251 of 1760 🔗

Agree. It’s the damage he causes in the mean time.

245179 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1252 of 1760 🔗

Disagree. Political independence is important. The problem is we have an elite that is not competent to drive a milk float. But they can be retired, so long as democracy is established in principal.

245369 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, #1253 of 1760 🔗

in this current political frame ‘independence’ is a delusion – as amply demonstrated by the shit-show.

245019 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to langers, 14, #1254 of 1760 🔗

Another Friday night story. Anyone miss the old days when politics was a Monday to Thursday venture and we were left the f*ck alone on Friday and Saturday before the next weeks codwollop was announced on the Marr show on Sunday ?

Probably have a Saturday news conference tomorrow with Dr Doom and his mate to try to deflect from this shit show.

245021 ▶▶ guy153, replying to langers, 6, #1255 of 1760 🔗

That’s great news! Apparently power is now transferred to Symonds. Let’s hope she’s better although I vaguely remember hearing somewhere that she’s really into Covid as well.

245093 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to guy153, 6, #1256 of 1760 🔗

Her degree is in theatre studies – what do you think?

245213 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1257 of 1760 🔗

Sounds like a good qualification. There are some question marks over her taste in fiancés though. Can we trust her judgement in other matters?

245285 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to guy153, 6, #1258 of 1760 🔗

Dilyn the dog is the smartest occupant of 10 Downing Street.

245026 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to langers, 1, #1259 of 1760 🔗

Is this the bad luck situation or the good luck one?

245033 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to langers, 3, #1260 of 1760 🔗

I know Cummings is seen as the devil incarnate, but I can’t help think this could their loss and our gain. The anti lockdown fight could do with an insider ;-J

245044 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to langers, 10, #1261 of 1760 🔗

The fantasy is that he was the cretin worshipping at the door of Sage and that Boris will now get back some sense of what a statesman is supposed to do.

But the question remains: where the hell did the globalist slogan ‘Build Back Better’ and all that guff about not being able to go back to normal in Boris’s conference speech come from? It’s easy to dismiss the ‘conspiracy theories’ until you look at those words and that logo. Deeply worrying, as though Boris was announcing that it has already been decided that Britain’s future is communism. Was that Cummings’ influence, or ‘outside forces’?

On the other hand, Cummings may have been the one holding out against it…

245020 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 2, #1262 of 1760 🔗

So according to logic (although that’s in short supply) people just didn’t follow the rules in Northern Ireland as the deaths from Covid went up:

https://files.nisra.gov.uk/Deaths/Weekly-Deaths-Dashboard.html

Or of course:

The deaths are loosely attributed
The lockdowns have no health benefit

What is concerning is the amount of excess deaths from the 5 year average (the 2015 to 2019 one) when Covid reported deaths were so low. This is about 50 a week, which for a province of 1.6 million people is not a small impact over the months

245042 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mhcp, 1, #1263 of 1760 🔗

Very roughly looks like all-cause mortality is about 10% up this year compared to last 5 years average (not sure if this is adjusted for population, which will probably have grown a bit) which as Rick H often points out is a somewhat arbitrary measure but does give some perspective. Last 5 years have been fairly low mortality so possibly if you went back longer you’d find some other peaks, and indeed given that the last 5 year average is just that – an average – there may well have been other years in the last 5 that were quite close to this year. Even a 10% increase is hardly exceptional and does not merit the madness we have endured

245066 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 1, #1264 of 1760 🔗

That dashboard is actually semi-useful as it gives some context that shows this is not some unprecedented catastrophe

245052 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mhcp, 1, #1265 of 1760 🔗

I was just looking at this PHE page and seeing something similar, in terms of excess deaths from other causes. CEBM and others have been constantly pointing this out. One worrying trend, is the constant over excess deaths from other causes, in the 15-44 age group.
We can all guess what the grim answer might be..

https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-latest.html

245024 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 47, #1266 of 1760 🔗

The shocked look on the shop assistants face when I declined the freshly sanitized trolley and took a “dirty” one was priceless!

That makes shopping fun!

245057 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Silke David, 6, #1267 of 1760 🔗

Always do it and also pretend to use hand sanitizer.

245171 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Silke David, 6, #1268 of 1760 🔗

I love it! You must be a death cult member.
I do the same kind of thing…using the self checkout till right after the last person…dangerous!!
Fake pumping use of sanitizer is also great fun indeed FP
Went to an eatery a few months back and the hostess asked for my hands, and then proceeded to blast them with sanitizer. Felt like I got peed on FFS! Gave her a look of irritation at least

245289 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddie, 1, #1269 of 1760 🔗

Surely, that’s a form of assault?
I think I’d have screamed allergies and made a huge fuss.

245278 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Silke David, 2, #1270 of 1760 🔗

I press crossing buttons with the same relish.

245554 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, 1, #1271 of 1760 🔗

Hear, hear!! I always make a beeline for the trolley that’s just been used.

245032 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #1272 of 1760 🔗

I think Cummings was the only one keeping the Clown from watering down Brexit. Saying that I feel Cummings was responsible for the Covid fiasco. Following the science led us to this current unnecessary Lockdown.

245034 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1273 of 1760 🔗

Agree on both counts.

245077 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1274 of 1760 🔗

If Doris caves over Brexit then it must be Game Over for him.

245105 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1275 of 1760 🔗

I agree. The last thing we need is government by technocrats and scientists.

245041 John P, replying to John P, 18, #1276 of 1760 🔗

This is what you do about it:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/13/nigel-farages-new-reform-uk-party-has-3000-applicants-stand/

Stand for election and then, when you are PM, you can tell Bill Gates to fuck off personally.

Because that is what I would do if I were Prime Minister of this God forsaken country!

245063 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John P, 5, #1277 of 1760 🔗

I’m not saying that Bill Gates is in charge per se but you appear to be harbouring the quaint notion that Johnson and other national leaders actually have the power to make their own decisions. That hasn’t been the case for a long time.

245082 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1278 of 1760 🔗

Calling it a quaint notion isn’t really an argument

National leaders are not all powerful and are subject to many pressures, domestic and international, so their decisions will always be influenced by many factors

I expect that has been the case since the beginning of time and is probably more so now that countries rely on one another so heavily for many essential things

But it’s a big step from that to saying they don’t have the power to make their own decisions

Let’s say the PM decides to end this nonsense now, and declare it over, how would anyone stop him doing that – what would be the mechanism?

I believe for every plausible argument you’re able to advance, someone could counter with an equally plausible counter-argument as to the reasons for a decision

In any case, for now while it would be nice to reduce the amount of influence Gates has, if indeed he does, as it’s probably a negative one fom our POV, the main thing we have to work with is putting pressure on politicians and other organisations here in the UK, mainly through changing public opinion so that policy changes

245043 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 23, #1279 of 1760 🔗

I was in a meeting at work today. The powers that be want more people to be accommodated in offices and meeting rooms. Can’t be done under ridiculous social distancing. The answer? Go on. Guess. Go on…….

You got it. Masks.

Don’t worry implementing masks solves the problem. No awareness that masks are for situations where you can’t social distance etc. That they have negatives and that we can’t even be sure that we would not have to pay for masks for all. Nope. They are not a super power that replaces everything else. I pushed back and said no of course. I am probably not senior enough to prevent this utter madness being implemented. But will never ever let it go through without pointing out it’s not a nil risk.

W@nkers.

245087 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1280 of 1760 🔗

Sorry to hear that

My boss has staunchly resisted excessive safetyism from the other bosses, and we were not planning to have masks before the office reopening got canned by the latest nonsense

It is always worth trying to push back

Last time I looked at government guidance for offices it was to use face coverings only if distancing was not possible

245091 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1281 of 1760 🔗

get them with the “conditional acceptance” checklist that has been doing the rounds – first off ask for their risk assessment…

245384 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to dommo, #1282 of 1760 🔗

We do the risk assessments, and I still hold the line that there is no evidence of transmission and no immediate risk therefore we should do nothing (it’s not as crazy as it sounds) but we have been pushed down the HSE guidance route and the rest, such as masks is forced through outside the Risk Assessment as it’s simply a case of Dominance hierarchy, they all give lip service, but want control and promotions and give nods and winks to get their way. It’s sickening and I really hate it, as I can’t grip how anyone who believes in sensible H&S measures can support this horse shit. I’ve been pushing back since April, but it drains you.

245096 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1283 of 1760 🔗

This is very tricky. Good for you trying to push back.
Yesterday someone posted that usandthem requested ideas for a children’s leaflet against masks.
Lots of great links were posted – Could you put all the links on a flyer for your workmates?

245142 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1284 of 1760 🔗

A new religion that’ll bring you to your knees…slip the mask on will you please

245163 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1285 of 1760 🔗

Risk assessment?

245391 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cheezilla, #1286 of 1760 🔗

As above. One tries. They ignore.

245046 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 19, #1287 of 1760 🔗

Cummings gone already. In my opinion this is a good thing for sceptics because I suspect he was one of the key actors driving this lockdown lunacy and obsession with data/science to the detriment of everything else.

This is just speculation of course – even if he wasn’t responsible for lockdown, the fact that two divisive figures have left No 10 in quick succession really dents the government’s already wavering authority. It’s all falling apart and Johnson is going to have to start taking more responsibility for decisions rather than hiding behind ministers and advisers.

245067 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Poppy, 6, #1288 of 1760 🔗

Presume Gove will be out of Cabinet soon too, followed closely by either the CMO or CSA (one will surely lay the blame on the other – Dame Sally, Whitty’s predecessor has already got her excuses out today).

245129 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1289 of 1760 🔗

And Dweebie Hancock has to go too, faster than excrement off a wet shovel if there is any justice. Unfortunately, I’m not holding my breath.

245389 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1290 of 1760 🔗

I’m all for the excrement and the wet shovel where Wancock is concerned. But I would want to hold my breath.

245453 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to annie, #1291 of 1760 🔗

Nice one annie! 🙂

245071 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 5, #1292 of 1760 🔗

The end must be nearing for Doris personally now when this is happening.

245075 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Poppy, #1293 of 1760 🔗

Agree

245124 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Poppy, 2, #1294 of 1760 🔗

even if he wasn’t he’ll get the blame and this set’s up Boris to play the good guy in saving Christmas

245162 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1295 of 1760 🔗

That is so dreadful on so many levels!

245160 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Poppy, 2, #1296 of 1760 🔗

The pan-European lockstep would suggest Cummings is merely a cog in a big machine.

245548 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Poppy, #1297 of 1760 🔗

Most people seem to think he was a keen lockdowner .So i agree Poppy it’s good news .Lets just home his replacement isn’t so keen .

245053 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 22, #1298 of 1760 🔗

My MP seems to have blocked me from commenting on his fb page. No wonder all the comments are so sycophantic!

I only asked why he needed to wear a face nappy outside at the local war memorial!

245056 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1299 of 1760 🔗

How dare you! 😀

245173 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, #1300 of 1760 🔗

.

245286 ▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1301 of 1760 🔗

WAC

245069 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1302 of 1760 🔗

If that’s not a breach of his duties I’d like to know what is. He represents you, whether he likes it or not

245104 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Julian, #1303 of 1760 🔗

Yes he represents his constituents, but he doesn’t have to listen to them on Facebook.

245127 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 6, #1304 of 1760 🔗

Not sure I necessarily agree with that. If an MP has an official social media presence I think they are fair game for people criticising them and they should ignore or engage, but not block.

245151 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #1305 of 1760 🔗

Exactly. It’s not a personal page. He only posts his I’m a wonderful MP photo opps.

245451 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Julian, 1, #1306 of 1760 🔗

Yes – I take the point that blocking is out of order. It was quite possibly the action of a spotty-faced intern, but out of order nonetheless.

245147 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 7, #1307 of 1760 🔗

I think it’s a new purge. There were a few sceptics in the comments before but they seem to have disappeared.
Censorship!

245088 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1308 of 1760 🔗

Pathetically thin skinned twat.

245062 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1309 of 1760 🔗

Boris must be a weak character, its usually the top dog influencing others, rather than the other way round.

245106 ▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1310 of 1760 🔗

Weak? That’s why we’re in this mess. He’s yet to take a hard decision – every option he’s gone for is the man in the street choice. Absolutely NOT leader material.

245186 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to David McCluskey, 1, #1311 of 1760 🔗

Thing is when everyone wanted Cummings sacked he didn’t buckle at all so he’s prepared to put up a fight but only for things that benefit him personally. In his heart (if he has one) I’m sure he despises us.

245219 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to David McCluskey, 4, #1312 of 1760 🔗

Not fit fir any type of responsibility. A champagne Charlie a buffoon a narcissist and a pathalogical liar. The only thing he can do is talk in soundbites. He understands nothing and doesn’t want to. The Emperor’s got no clothes cried the little boy!!

245065 leggy, replying to leggy, 41, #1313 of 1760 🔗

Just finished a call with a customer in Canada. Routine work stuff, but he started with:

Cust: How’s your lock down going? I heard your airports are closed?
Me: Well, we’re not supposed to travel for private reasons, but we can for work.
Cust: How can they police that?
Me: Exactly. It’s a lot of nonsense.
Cust: This isn’t about a virus any more is it, it’s about selling billions of doses of vaccines.

Sceptics everywhere.

245136 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to leggy, 13, #1314 of 1760 🔗

Unfortunately leggy, the masked zombie count here is still holding a majority while us sceptics pull our hair out in frustration

245366 ▶▶▶ D.S., replying to Eddie, #1315 of 1760 🔗

Agreed Eddie. Still it provides a bit of comfort to see others on-board. Not that anything will be done. I like Tom Woods’ presentations – very to the point, who cares if someone is ‘left’ right centre, Libertarian blah blah.

Tom purposely stays away from ‘why are they doing this’ discussions and theories, which sort of helps reduce the ‘your just a Covid denier anti-vaxxer Bill Gates’ stuff. I’ve shared these with colleagues who don’t really care about C19 but feel the gov’t is hiding something for sure. When they see these videos they laugh and go – ‘Makes sense – I agree’ but then continue on with a ‘what are we going to do about it?’ attitude (i.e. ‘I’m fine and have a job’)

“The current state of lockdown “science”: we have no idea what we’re doing, but if something brings people pleasure we should probably limit or prohibit it, and if something causes great inconvenience or even pain, we should probably do that .”

https://youtu.be/Xy3tP-BW5do

https://mises.org/library/fact-free-covid-dystopia

245068 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1316 of 1760 🔗

Have they come to the conclusion that the game is up?

The Liverpool test results, the respiratory illness patient numbers, the figures for flu, and the total number of deaths from all causes all point to the PCR positive test results being false positives

If that is now their position then they will all have to go over the weekend

245081 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1317 of 1760 🔗

No replacements have been announced for Cain and Cummings

Is he allowing them to leave the ship before he scuttles it this weekend

245116 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1318 of 1760 🔗

what’s the betting that Boris will let the impression get out that Lockdown 2 was Cummings and Cain’s idea?

245119 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to crimsonpirate, #1319 of 1760 🔗

No sure, he might accept his goose is cooked

245140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1320 of 1760 🔗

We’re talking dePiffle here!

245161 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1321 of 1760 🔗

saving his own skin will be his priority- probably now on his knees begging Toby to be his new chief advisor

245070 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #1322 of 1760 🔗

This seems odd. Why would hospice deaths be so consistently below average all year? Anybody want to take a crack at this?

Source..

https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-latest.html

245083 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to PoshPanic, 13, #1323 of 1760 🔗

Might it reflect terminally ill people dying at home and hospital? Our neighbour was terminally ill, shielding at home, and was only taken to a hospice a matter of days before she died. Were it not for her daughter moving in to look after her, she would have died at home instead several months ago.

245101 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1324 of 1760 🔗

I can imagine that the terminally ill chose to die at home surrounded by family rather than in a hospice, where family and friends wouldn’t be allowed to visit. (the very antithesis of the philosophy of the hospice movement.)
Deaths at home are significantly higher than would be expected so this may be one reason for that excess.

Also maybe COVID got them just before their terminal condition would have, so they went into hospital rather than their being admitted to hospice where the disease would have run like wildfire through other extremely vulnerable patients.

245123 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1325 of 1760 🔗

Yes sounds reasonable, it might well explain some of the excess deaths at home.

245126 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 8, #1326 of 1760 🔗

My mum spent some time in a hospice before she died, that did allow limited visitors. Sad they too are being “mined” for covid deaths.

245231 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 1, #1327 of 1760 🔗

You have had to deal with an awful lot DRW. Please make sure you keep going so we can meet you at the other end of this. x

245307 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1328 of 1760 🔗

That was my thought – people staying out of hospices, related to the Covid stuff.

245072 Tony, replying to Tony, 9, #1329 of 1760 🔗

Meridian news in full Fear mode, featuring ex-ICU patients telling us how awful it all is. No explanation of why they were in hospital in the first place.

245175 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Tony, 6, #1330 of 1760 🔗

Anyone coming out of an ICU will tell you how awful it is – that has always been true. No matter what you’re in for. I’ve said it before – the dreadful experience and aftermath have been well documented for years now. Hence my Advance Decision written 4 years ago not to be treated in ICU

245354 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jo, 2, #1331 of 1760 🔗

I have been in ICU. It was heaven compared to a normal ward that I got dumped into the next day. That was the absolute pits.

245079 Laurence, 27, #1332 of 1760 🔗

Surely everyone now has to accept this farce is pretty much over.

The new lateral flow tests in Liverpool show a positive rate of 0.37% – let’s assume that’s out by a factor of 2 as some have suggested. This is also just testing the asymptomatic so take it up to 1% for good measure.

So that’s around 1/8 of the figures under the PCR tests.

If 1% have the virus at any point, that’s 670,000 people. IFR is 0.2% so we have 1,340 dying over say 2 weeks (rough period of infection) – so a maximum of 95 people a day using very liberal assumptions. More like 50 if you’re going to be realistic, and that’s assuming Liverpool is no worse than anywhere else – could be as low as 20-25.

The game is over – DJA, if you’re there, please accept there’s now nowhere to hide from reality. Herd immunity has come good.

245086 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1333 of 1760 🔗

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1327113537819435008
This twitter thread, quite technical, from one of the leading persons knowing about PCR. He is clearly for more stringent definition of infectiousness to reduce the ridiculous overdiagnosis of infectious C-19. But it is not that easy to just have a certain Ct level as definition of viable virus. He speaks about a new method of measuring RNA and subgenomic RNA and the latter is non-infectious. You can then get a quote between the two measurements and thus define infectivity.  The problem with so many different commercial methods in the market for PCR testing that you cannot use the same Ct value for cut off for infectivity. This new method above would be the best marker of infectivity. Complicated but we need urgently a test saying yes or no for infectivity. This is to stop ridiculous quarantining and depleting perfectly healthy HCW in dubious quarantine which in the end would threaten NHS and other health care system with collapse.

245098 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 17, #1334 of 1760 🔗

Or maybe stop calling the flu Covid and stop idiotic testing altogether. This all goes back to the initial attribution and how the system has been stacked towards the Covid machine above all sense

245187 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to mhcp, 5, #1335 of 1760 🔗

The new test in Scouse land is running at less than .5% postitive…

245125 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1336 of 1760 🔗

Maybe CT is different across kits but if it isn’t yes/no then tow hat extent is there a margin of error? This matter s because the number of NHS staff isolating due to PCR + of being a contact is at the centre of hospital issues here in Northern Ireland. It’s led to electives being cancelled again this week.

If its say greater than 15% are just finding dead nucleotides then it’s not fit for purpose. We should be looking at symptoms and a more rounded assessment.

245089 stefarm, 2, #1337 of 1760 🔗

NOT The BCfm Politics Show presented by Tony Gosling
https://www.internet-radio.com/station/prsc/

Well worth a listen. Live now.

245090 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 9, #1338 of 1760 🔗

So two Vote Leave rats have scarpered before Crashout Eve. How very foresighted of them.

245165 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Stuart, 2, #1339 of 1760 🔗

?

245229 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, #1340 of 1760 🔗

Brexit?

245100 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 6, #1341 of 1760 🔗

How many letters again for a vote of no confidence? It’s been a year hasn’t it?

245113 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mhcp, 13, #1342 of 1760 🔗

I think it is around 80. There are 70 signed up to Mark Harper/Steve Baker’s new group, that includes Graham Brady and Charles Walker. There were apparently another 45 in a WhatsApp private group, some of whom may now be included in that 70 (it was 50 at launch last weekend). Doris knows he is in trouble.

245181 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1343 of 1760 🔗

Hence why he is chucking people under the bus. I was with you, TT, on Johnson being gone by Christmas but now he has got rid of Cummings, is getting rid of Wank Cock and bring Javid back he will be ok, as long as he doesn’t lock down again.

245114 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mhcp, 7, #1344 of 1760 🔗

Keir would probably whip his MPs in favour of Pfeffel.

245121 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1345 of 1760 🔗

It depends if he thought the replacement would end the coronpanic I think

I am sure Labour would be happy to let Johnson be ousted but would not want to be seen to be voting for anything that relaxed restrictions

Our only hope is that if there is a new PM, they will lead the Tories away from the coronabollocks

245159 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 4, #1346 of 1760 🔗

Trouble is, I’m not aware of anyone anywhere close to the head of the queue for leadership who s better than infantile on the coronapanic.

245174 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 5, #1347 of 1760 🔗

The only credible candidate is Sunak – I know little about him and of course he is nearly as guilty as the rest of them, but he has not been at the forefront of the lies so could gradually move away from the worst of the nonsense

245122 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1348 of 1760 🔗

He hinted last Sunday he might not. Depends on whether he thinks there is mileage in more chaos with Brexit imminent as an arch Remainer?

245206 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1349 of 1760 🔗

The man hasn’t got a clue about politics. Comrade Keir Stalin is only interested in himself and to be in power. In that respect he’s no different to Johnson. They are both charlatan’s, frauds and power mad.

245108 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #1350 of 1760 🔗

A Mask With Exceptional Breathability And Comfort With Free Shipping – who would of thunk it……defo on my xmas list.

Glasgow: Why is everyone going crazy over this new face shield? – can any of you in Glasgow tell me????? I need to know!!!!!!!!

245317 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to stefarm, #1351 of 1760 🔗

That’s amazing: people in my area are also going crazy over that new face shield! It must be good.

245111 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 22, #1352 of 1760 🔗

If masks were healthy or desirable, we’d have evolved with blue soggy paper across our airways.

245137 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1353 of 1760 🔗

Nah, nature got that all wrong. Why did we ever trust that rubbish, we were very lucky to have survived for millenia doing that. All Hail The Science. (TM)

245128 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 16, #1354 of 1760 🔗

Peter Sutcliffe – locked down for 40 years and still dies of ‘it’!!!!!!

Bottoms up everyone

245164 ▶▶ Jo, replying to stefarm, 7, #1355 of 1760 🔗

30 years in psychiatric hospital – later admitted from prison to hospital with heart problems.
“Abstract Psychotropic drugs can produce cardiovascular side effects associated with a degree of cardiotoxicity. The coexistence of a heart disease complicates the management of mental illness, can contribute to a reduced quality of life and a worse illness course. The co-occurrence of psychiatric disorders in cardiac patients might affect the clinical outcome and morbidity. Moreover, the complex underlying mechanism that links these two conditions remains unclear. This paper discusses the known cardiovascular complications of psychotropic drugs and analyzes the important implications of antidepressive treatment in patients with previous cardiac history.

Keywords: antidepressants, antipsychotics, arrhythmia, cardiotoxicity, cardiovascular system, psychiatric disorders”

No, he didn’t die of Covid.

245172 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo, 2, #1356 of 1760 🔗

But he had a (false)+ test……it must be true

245177 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jo, 5, #1357 of 1760 🔗

Many years ago I worked,laying concrete, on a new wing at Broadmoor. Factored into the design was the obesity of the patients…

245130 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1358 of 1760 🔗

1) Spotted on fb:

FYI sceptics this packaging isn’t even creased at the lines and..they’ve not even received this yet!
I can’t take credit for this, it’s not my work but someone posted this in my group.
Hello guys, yesterday I got a message from an employee working in a company producing packaging for drugs, UK. Already a few weeks ago, they were prepared for shipment to the customer. Almost a million packages and 80 doses in the package. I will quote the message: “And it’s not like they ordered it yesterday. The process of production plus color selection, the project takes several months, from what I know, the mountain knew at least 4 months ago”. So the production of packaging with the composition of the vaccine started before the announcement that the vaccine had already been invented … Let us remind you that even research was suspended because after the vaccine was given to volunteers, several people died …


Photos follow……

245166 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1359 of 1760 🔗

Everything has been planned and procured way before March – all the supermarket stickers, signage, plastic shields, masks none of it appears overnight and by magic.

245497 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #1360 of 1760 🔗

Photos are above somewhere ….

245131 MadJock1, replying to MadJock1, 27, #1361 of 1760 🔗

I’ve just received a text from my local GP surgery encouraging me to visit this website and work through their advice to reduce the risk of getting the Covid plague.

https://www.germdefence.org/index.html

Via the site map I found their advice about wearing a face covering at home . It contains the following gems of wisdom :-

“Experts recommend wearing a face-covering indoors because they can help protect you from breathing coronavirus droplets in or out. They can also help stop you touching your nose and mouth , which prevents viruses moving on to your hands and then being spread on to surfaces.” (Their emphasis not mine)

Breathing in and out droplets – help stop touching your mouth or nose!!!!! Experts – FFS – give me strength. Do these idiots know the size of virus particles ? Have they ever observed anyone wearing a mask for more than two minutes. I’m utterly staggered that this tripe is being pushed out by a GP practice. As for the universities concerned – who did they get to write this rubbish – the first year failed biology students? What tiny vestige of faith I had in the NHS has evaporated.

245311 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to MadJock1, 4, #1362 of 1760 🔗

I do wish some feisty / greedy / attention seeking lawyers would just start suing the living shit out of the NHS and GPs and anyone else peddling this kind of nonsense. There must be something they can be done for, surely?

Come on ambulance chasers, get to it!

245316 ▶▶ RickH, replying to MadJock1, 3, #1363 of 1760 🔗

I’m utterly staggered that this tripe is being pushed out by a GP practice.”

Me too. It gets a bit difficult to rely on their diagnoses at that level of scientific understanding!

245380 ▶▶ annie, replying to MadJock1, 5, #1364 of 1760 🔗

They sent you to this?

  • People who read the advice in Germ Defence are less likely to catch viruses
  • If they do become ill, the illness is likely to be less severe

By reading some advice , you become …???

Please tell me you are joking. The webpage is a screamingly obvious scam. No GP could be that stupid.
Well…

245491 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 2, #1365 of 1760 🔗

I’m laughing – but it might not actually be funny.

245543 ▶▶▶ MadJock1, replying to annie, 1, #1366 of 1760 🔗

Hi annie, I’m afraid I speak the truth. The text in question definitely came from a GP surgery in a market town in central Norfolk. I also thought it was a scam originally but if it is someone at our local surgery has fallen for it hook line and sinker – I believe they have messaged everyone on their books that they have a mobile number for. As I said originally I’m utterly appalled but, sadly, no longer surprised. As well as the web site address the text stated “This website has scientifically proven advice to reduce COVID-19 infections. It takes 10 minutes – try it out!”

245132 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1367 of 1760 🔗

2: The ingredients:

245148 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1368 of 1760 🔗

That’s just the excipients – don’t suppose it says what the active ingredients are

245242 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jo, #1369 of 1760 🔗

That’s CLASSIFIED.

245249 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jo, 2, #1370 of 1760 🔗

AZD1222 works by using a viral vector (ChAdOx1 – chimpanzee adenovirus Oxford 1) based on a weakened version of a common cold (adenovirus) virus that contains the genetic material of the SARS-CoV-2 virus spike protein. After vaccination, the surface spike protein is produced, priming the immune system to attack the virus if it later infects the body, protecting it against COVID-19.

Since the genetic material of the “SARS-CoV-2” spike protein is also our and other viruses and bacteria sequence… Seems that it will work just fine!

I wonder what will be the use of all those antibodies rapid “tests” after [almost] every human animal is artificially infected with this wonderful jab?

245291 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1371 of 1760 🔗

The spike protein sequence is not a part of any bacteria or the human genome.

A very small part of the sequence does appear in the human genome by accident.

There will be lots of very short sequences in common with almost every other genome.

245481 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo, #1372 of 1760 🔗

That’s all that’s on the packet.

245178 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1373 of 1760 🔗

Just taking one:

L-Histidine hydrochloride monohydrate
Hazard Codes Xn
Risk Statements 22-36/37/38
Safety Statements 22-24/25-36/37-26

Hazard Code XN – Harmful
Risk Statements:
22:Harmful if swallowed
23:Toxic by inhalation
24:Toxic in contact with skin
25:Toxic if swallowed
26:Very Toxic by inhalation
27:Very Toxic in contact with skin
28:Very Toxic if swallowed
29:Contact with water liberates toxic gas
30:Can become highly flammable in use
31:Contact with acids liberates toxic gas
32:Contact with acids liberates very toxic gas
33:Danger of cumulative effects
34:Causes burns
35:Causes severe burns
36:Irritating to the eyes

245180 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1374 of 1760 🔗

Oh and:

37:Irritating to the respiratory system
38:Irritating to the skin

245224 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1375 of 1760 🔗

Sounds delicious
apologies – brain is shutting down now.

245416 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1376 of 1760 🔗

Yer BUT I am sure it has been properly tested and found to be safe.

245488 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1377 of 1760 🔗

For courgettes?

245616 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sarigan, #1378 of 1760 🔗

I see it’s totally safe if injected into the bloodstream though. 🙂 Huzzah.

Chimpanzee adenovirus Oxford 1 was enough for me, thanks. I do find it odd what people will have injected into them. Still, it’s a free world …

245134 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1379 of 1760 🔗

3) The packaging:

245203 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, #1380 of 1760 🔗

not seeing screenshot 1?

245485 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1381 of 1760 🔗

1) Spotted on fb:
FYI sceptics this packaging isn’t even creased at the lines and..they’ve not even received this yet!
I can’t take credit for this, it’s not my work but someone posted this in my group.
Hello guys, yesterday I got a message from an employee working in a company producing packaging for drugs, UK. Already a few weeks ago, they were prepared for shipment to the customer. Almost a million packages and 80 doses in the package. I will quote the message: “And it’s not like they ordered it yesterday. The process of production plus color selection, the project takes several months, from what I know, the mountain knew at least 4 months ago”. So the production of packaging with the composition of the vaccine started before the announcement that the vaccine had already been invented … Let us remind you that even research was suspended because after the vaccine was given to volunteers, several people died …

Photos follow……

245496 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1382 of 1760 🔗

Sorry, found it miles below!

245143 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1384 of 1760 🔗

today gets better and better

245150 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1385 of 1760 🔗

What else, please? Been very busy and not following events

245440 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Rosie, 1, #1386 of 1760 🔗

Cummings going. Not just at the end of the year

245214 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1387 of 1760 🔗

From what I’ve seen online they’ve occupied an empty building which campus security essentially has under siege complete with makeshift mannequins at points of entry to make it look like somebody is at the door so security don’t try to enter.

Good on them but I doubt this occupation will have the longevity to outlast the university. Once they run out of food/booze/patience the uni will have their building back and nothing would have changed.

245144 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 21, #1388 of 1760 🔗

I think we need to use the word ‘Communism’ more. People know what it means, but they’re not linking recent events to it.

For some reason, people don’t think that what happened in the Soviet Union and East Germany could happen here, but I think the resemblance is becoming obvious. Great Reset or not, the government is going to be running things from now on because ‘the pandemic’ will have destroyed most businesses, and most people will be dependent on the state. And the state is now run by technocrats.

I’ve no doubt that many naive people have the idea that if done ‘progressively’ the post-Covid ‘built back better’ world will be a utopia, but they’re assuming that they will always be on the right side of the authorities. We’ll have UBI, electric cars on demand, cycle lanes. And all the old statues, racism, climate change and greed will be disposed of. If a few Trump voters, anti-vaxxers and ‘far right’ free speech nuts are put in special camps, it’s only what they deserve.

Until… they realise that the authorities have no intention of relaxing the mask mandates, ever. That the shops have a very limited range and you have to start queuing pretty early in the morning to get anything more interesting than cabbages and potatoes. Gatherings of more than six are banned. And that even if you’re the most compliant person in the world, you still find yourself whispering to avoid your children denouncing you at school.

245189 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #1389 of 1760 🔗

Agree Barney. It seems the climate change ecoloon argument was lost some time ago – Mr TT was ‘no platformed’ much like Gupta has suggested is happening to her – until of course the lights go out in London, or the electric car didn’t charge overnight because Big Brother decided to switch off the smart meter. I am just hoping the Tory MPs in the Mark Harper/Steve Baker/Graham Brady/Charles Walker group grow sufficiently in number to get restrictions rolled back. I see this evenings developments positively in that sense, expecting Gove to follow behind them shortly.

245287 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #1390 of 1760 🔗

I agree it seems communistic but the means of production are not in the hands of the state.There are massive financial and commercial intrests on board with this.It closely resembles Fascism devoid of its nationalistic impulses.

245474 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1391 of 1760 🔗

Means of production? Where?

245608 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Barney McGrew, #1392 of 1760 🔗

Can’t see them putting us in camps myself. They’ll just ‘Soylent Green’ us.

245146 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #1393 of 1760 🔗

It’s always worth remembering that deaths are a function of the numbers in hospital. If there isn’t a significant growth in hospitalisations this week there won’t be a significant jump in deaths next week.
Here are the last 18 days of positive tests + hospitalisations. There won’t be a spike in deaths next week.
As of tomorrow we should see the the impact of the Lockdown having an impact. No step change next week, no impact!

245396 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NickR, 3, #1394 of 1760 🔗

I predicted (to myself) a week or two ago that some time around this weekend would see a plateauing in death numbers, as admissions had already stabilised. I’m watching with interest to see if I’m right!

245152 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 7, #1395 of 1760 🔗

Covid is over. The real show starts in six weeks’ time. Lockdowns will be a walk in the park. Used facemasks will be pulped for human consumption.

245188 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Stuart, #1396 of 1760 🔗

I’m not sure I want to know this – what’s happening in 6 weeks again?

245193 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to CGL, 2, #1397 of 1760 🔗

Last minute Christmas shopping?

245197 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1398 of 1760 🔗

We’re allowed to have Christmas?

245273 ▶▶▶ Timothy Staley, replying to CGL, 1, #1399 of 1760 🔗

A remainer wetting his knickers I think

245283 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Timothy Staley, #1400 of 1760 🔗

Oh stick a face nappy on it! Brexit schmexit!

245315 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, #1401 of 1760 🔗

Not you Timothy!

245321 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Stuart, 2, #1402 of 1760 🔗

Is Brexit really a concern when both the U.K. and EU are part of the G20 who are committed to trading pacts through shared enterprise?

245153 Darryl, 3, #1403 of 1760 🔗

This contains some very interesting detailed analysis of the costs of lockdown in terms of non-Covid deaths. Using life years to measure lockdown.

THE DEADLY IMPACT OF LOCKDOWN – The Highwire with Del Bigtree
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BaTSybmYWOuS/

245154 Will, replying to Will, 16, #1404 of 1760 🔗

Shock horror, the MSM aren’t reporting a 6000 fall in cases or a fall of 200 in reported death numbers. The latest ONS survey, coming as it does the week after half term and showing a tiny rise from the previous week, makes me more convinced that effective herd immunity has been reached. With Cummings going and strong rumours that Handy Cocks usefulness as the PM’s whipping boy are nearing a merciful end I am tempted to break my lockdown abstinence but I will forebear until he is actually gone.

245393 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, 7, #1405 of 1760 🔗

Deaths must have been very disappointing for SAGE/Imperial/Whitty and Vallance today. Such a long way to go before 4000 is reached.

Seriously though, the way the MSM leap onto any increase but completely ignore a decrease is criminal.

245156 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #1406 of 1760 🔗

Piers Corbyn challenges the Archbishop of Canterbury to a debate on the church’s role in enforcing the “New Abnormal.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWKG8KHeTrM

245351 ▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1407 of 1760 🔗

You might as well debate with a bit of wet lettuce.

245494 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1408 of 1760 🔗

I think Piers Corbyn will be waiting for 10,000 years for a response.

245185 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 18, #1409 of 1760 🔗

Sorry if this has already been discussed but it’s being reported that Nickla is preparing to put the Scottish Tier 3 areas (effectively Glasgow and the central belt) into Tier 4 next week, Tier 4 is effectively “full lockdown” but, unlike the English Lockdown Mark 2, there won’t be a declared end date given at the beginning of the lockdown. Knowing Nickla she will drag it out and out, and out. I’m despairing tonight.

245190 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to Gillian, 10, #1410 of 1760 🔗

To make things worse, there is absolutely NO Scottish political opposition to the concept of lockdown, as is emerging (and growing) in England.

245202 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Gillian, 1, #1411 of 1760 🔗

Ah, but just think of all that joy to come if Wee Krankie ever gets her Independence Day!

245245 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to IanE, #1412 of 1760 🔗

Oh please no. I’ve always said I’d move away if that happens.

245637 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to IanE, 1, #1413 of 1760 🔗

There’ll be no pubs, hotels, shops, jobs and no money. Bring it on.

245239 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Gillian, 6, #1414 of 1760 🔗

I contacted Nigel Farage to ask if his anti lockdown party intend to field candidates in the Scottish election next year. I got a reply saying maybe and that it depends on funding.

245387 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Gillian, 4, #1415 of 1760 🔗

Presumably Westminster will eventually get tired of funding endless Scottish lockdowns?!

245409 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1416 of 1760 🔗

Not while they’re endlessly funding their own.

245211 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Gillian, 5, #1417 of 1760 🔗

I try not to let it get to me now Gillian. Glasgow has been shafted from the beginning. I see virtually no difference from level 3 and level 4 anyway. I actually hope she drags it out and beats down all the leftie do gooders in this population who think she can do no wrong.

245233 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Gillian, 7, #1418 of 1760 🔗

It was just a matter of time unfortunately since the furlough extension was confirmed. There’s no way she wasn’t going to lockdown as Westminster are paying for it.
I’m in South Lanarkshire so will likely be locked down too. Don’t suppose it’ll make much difference to me as I’ve been imprisoned at home since March and only shop online since masks. I try to get out every day for a walk but other than that I don’t go anywhere or see anyone. I’m thoroughly sick of it all.

245264 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Gillian, 7, #1419 of 1760 🔗

She really is a despicable human being. Lockdown until march, fucking plebs are standing for it.

245267 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 7, #1420 of 1760 🔗

Actually human is stretching it

245299 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Gillian, 4, #1421 of 1760 🔗

I know how you feel, I am now on prozac thanks to this farce. I am extremely grateful to find like minded people here which has kept me going the past few weeks.
I’m in Ayrshire and tier 3 is where we’ve been for months now. We moved from wherever we were in September and put straight into the same level of insaneness called tier 3.
Not sure whether she intends to place us in lockdown although our numbers are going down. If they think it’s because these laws are working, they’re very much mistaken because I’m delighted to inform everyone that on my street, no one is paying any notice to it. Although we are ‘allowed’ up to 6 in the garden, the family and friends are not spending any time in the garden. It has rained for as long as tier 3 has been in force. I wonder where they are??????????

245337 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Just about sane, 3, #1422 of 1760 🔗

I’m so sorry to hear you’ve had to start taking prozac. I recommend some good cannabis, which is far less addictive and harmful. There are some excellent online sources but do make sure you buy with bitcoin. My partner recommends wheedzy.com.

245395 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lili, 4, #1423 of 1760 🔗

Shushhhhh

245500 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lili, 1, #1424 of 1760 🔗

A good free, non-addictive and healthy way to a natural ‘high’ is to do deep breathing exercises. I use the Wim Hof Method but there are others available. The first time I did it the effect was similar to smoking a very strong marijuana cigarette. After a year of doing it daily it’s more like a single stiff whisky, but still enjoyable.

245577 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lili, 1, #1425 of 1760 🔗

Don’t give away all of our secrets 😜

245319 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Gillian, 3, #1426 of 1760 🔗

I think that she’s the one that needs to be locked down.

245467 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Gillian, 2, #1427 of 1760 🔗

Whatever you do, don’t despair. That way is guaranteed defeat.

245191 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 16, #1428 of 1760 🔗

The High Peak today:

Last night: ‘Text message from our neighbour asking for the phone number of the washing-machine man. She told us that her younger child has now been sent home to join his elder sister, off since Monday. That’s all of Years 1 and 4 at home for 2 weeks because a couple of cretins got their child tested because it had a headache for a day. But never mind, who needs to send their kids to school/work/have a life anyway?  (Our neighbour is a bit relieved that at least they’re both home at once, solving her logistical problem of getting one to school when the other is banned!)

Today, we did our heroic 10-mile switchback bike-ride around the area to do some shopping. We do this to justify getting the red wine out in goodly quantities this evening. 🙂 Anyway, the atmosphere round here is weird and people seem more ‘on the edge’. For example, we saw:

  • 2 women cyclists wearing muzzles, one of them trying to cycle up a steep hill (!) and the other with two young children on bikes.
  • Several elderly people, muzzled or not but cowering in obvious terror from having to walk past us when we were standing around chatting.
  • A coffee shop doing take-away has done a roaring trade since it re-opened. The number of zombies queuing has increased noticeably in the last week.
  • Much more zombie-dom outside than last week (so much so, we can only assume the MSM is fear-porning again and maybe it’s local Arsebook hysteria as well)
  • Our shopkeeper friend and arch-sceptic seemed cast-down and subdued (in his enforced muzzle). His even more sceptical colleague was not, however, and she soon took her mask off and asked us for some sites to check-out.
  • Meanwhile, our ‘dandelion’ shop-keeper friend in a different town looked calmer than on Wednesday but he said he felt ‘agitated’. The shop was too busy to get him to explain. His elderly Dad has gone back to a visor and not the horrible, suffocating plastic mask he wore on Wednesday. I forgot to look whether or not they’d taken down their rotten ‘No Mask, no entry’ notice. ‘Doubt it!

We also saw a strange sight: About 10 motor-cycle police standing outside the chippy, chatting and waiting for their chips. They seemed quite relaxed and jolly – no muzzles! The rumour machine at the butcher’s told us that they’d been looking for someone on the moors and, certainly, the helicopter had been up earlier.

Anyway, on the way home we chatted to a boat-owner on the canal. She told us she and her feller were self isolating because they had had ‘symptoms’ and had been tested. Now, anyone telling us they have ‘symptoms’ is a red rag to a bull, frankly, so we quizzed her. I mean, people now say ‘symptoms’ in that special sepulchral tone and it’s become a ghastly shorthand for the One True Illness and it brings out the worst in us. We immediately respond, ‘symptoms of what, exactly?’

Anyway, apparently she’d had a headache and a funny taste in her mouth and the bloke also had a slight headache. She tested negative and he positive. We said are you sure it wasn’t a false positive since you’re obviously not ill and then we were there for 45 minutes, chatting. They’re actually full-on sceptics and she’d only felt obliged to get tested because they’ve been running a bar from the boat – suspended for now – and she has had enough flak from an arsey resident who resents them being legally able to trade.  This woman, who is damaged and a nasty piece of work (we think we know who she is), called the police on the boat-owner and she says things to them like ‘you’re outsiders’. We said it sounds like the ‘League of Gentlemen’. Anyway, the cops were fine, it seems, and said everything she was doing was OK. She’s really bright but told us some horror stories about people she knows and their crazed, insane, brainwashed behaviour. They have a cat and a dog onboard and I got a fuss off the cat (AlanG did not, hee-hee!) and they’re re-opening next weekend so we’ll be there! MW

245198 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1429 of 1760 🔗

Thanks, always like to read your reports

245227 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Rosie, #1430 of 1760 🔗

🙂 MW

245195 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 20, #1431 of 1760 🔗

HIGH PEAK PART 2:

Yesterday, we posted our letter to our useless MP regarding that tender for an AI contractor to manage the anticipated ‘high volume of expected Adverse Drug Reactions’ to the Pfizer vaccine. We have emailed it to everyone we know and printed out a couple of copies for shop-keepers where we live. The butcher is already sceptical but the other mumbled to AlanG through his muzzle that ‘it’s surreal but let’s hope the vaccine works.’ Oh dear. .

Anyway, just now, we got a phone-call from our sceptical shop-keeper friend. Far from being down-cast he is furious. His mates from the NHS just been in and the woman, who’s an ICU nurse, is outraged by the Government lies about ‘cases’ in Manchester. She said, sure, there are a few people in hospital who have tested positive but ICU is practically empty and nobody’s really ill, certainly not with Covid. She told him things are so quiet that she has been re-deployed to other wards and is now doing 4 different jobs. MW

245201 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #1432 of 1760 🔗

One of my friends is very successful at getting MPs to respond.

His advice: persevere – pick on some data (but not too much) and ask them questions about it.

Treat them as though they are intelligent, which flatters their ego, and some of them are!

245216 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Rosie, 3, #1433 of 1760 🔗

Most constituent correspondence is dealt with by secretaries and interns with only cursory oversight by MPs. But I suspect if you can quote what the MP has said on the subject and give your interpretation of what they said (perhaps a provocative interpretation) together with specific questions
they are going to have to speak to the MP and get a bespoke reply.

245255 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Rosie, 4, #1434 of 1760 🔗

Thanks, that’s more or less what we do, minus the flattery as we can’t bring ourselves to do that – he is such a slimy toad. e.g. he stood for High Peak after quitting his job as an M&S accountant at the same time that the Buxton store had been closed. He got in because of Brexit and replaced a good, hard-working MP (now a ‘dandelion’, sadly) MW

245463 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 1, #1435 of 1760 🔗

I tried that. Mine is wilfully thick!

245196 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 31, #1436 of 1760 🔗

It’s a pleasure to announce that I’ve done absolutely nothing at work in the 3 hours since I arrived. I’ve been on this site all this time! Congratulations to me for a great morning of productivity.

245199 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Eddie, 4, #1437 of 1760 🔗

Are you in the government? Sounds like a typical day there!

245200 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Eddie, 2, #1438 of 1760 🔗

God work (as long as we aren’t paying for it)!

245205 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Eddie, 7, #1439 of 1760 🔗

Emergency Admissions Officer at ICU, Covid Section? 🙂

245212 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Eddie, 4, #1440 of 1760 🔗

Manning the Covid test centres or maybe a track and trace call centre??

245218 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Eddie, 2, #1441 of 1760 🔗

Yes – I’m slightly distracted these days – end up working late to try and catch up

245292 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Eddie, 6, #1442 of 1760 🔗

I’ve been through a phase just like. As, I imagine, so has everyone on here who’s ‘working from home’.

245204 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 9, #1443 of 1760 🔗

Right – does nobody want to see these people in jail and paying over every $ / £ / Ecu that they own ??

WHy is nobody supporting these brave and extremely dedicated and hard working German lawyers?

I keep posting these links, I keep talking about this, and no-one here takes any notice. What’s going on?

Here you are again, it’s all in excellent English and worth every moment of your time many times over. This is mega and it’s history in the making. Aren’t you interested?

Listen to these two videos
Reiner Fuellmich:
https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20 from about a month ago with Swedish interviewer.
https://youtu.be/XQYzb5_kax8 from 3 days ago, Dutch interviewer

245215 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, 2, #1444 of 1760 🔗

neither are working Rosie – funny that eh!

245232 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to CGL, 1, #1445 of 1760 🔗

they are there… if you copy and paste them rather than right clicking the links

245275 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to mjr, #1446 of 1760 🔗

Thanks – will try that

245223 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Rosie, 6, #1447 of 1760 🔗

Rosie, thanks for your persistence. We did have a discussion on this a few weeks ago on here when the first video was available, I certainly watched it then and am interested in what is going to happen next.

245272 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DressageRider, 2, #1448 of 1760 🔗

thanks. These two are new videos and explain a great deal about what’s going on, and give us excellent arguments as well.

245226 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Rosie, 7, #1449 of 1760 🔗

I listened to the whole thing on youtube, shared and got my BIL to safely copy. I have some faith in this organisation and as far as I know it’s WIP. The second link is coming up with an error so probably taken off. As I understand it, lots of people we know inc Mike Yeadon have given evidence to their inquiry. I think a lot of us know about this already and are not ignoring it.

245270 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jo, 4, #1450 of 1760 🔗

These are new.

It’s good to hear some people know about them

so next how about some drive to match Fuellmich’s drive? Determination please people. This should encourage everyone to want to beat them

245466 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rosie, #1451 of 1760 🔗

Someone posted the first video some time ago here and there was loads of discussion about that. I watched it and it was the best 1 hour explanation of the whole thing.

245631 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rosie, #1452 of 1760 🔗

“Right – does nobody want to see these people in jail and paying over every $ / £ / Ecu that they own ??”

I do believe that reference to jail or even the Tower, for the criminals running the corona scam has been mentioned on several occasions, but not often enough I agree. There are still many nominally sceptical people, who it seems are reluctant to look at the big picture.

As for Reiner Fuellmich he seems a truly remarkable person and if he really needs financial help it should be given by those who still value their freedom. Reiner’s earlier 49 minute video of 12 October can still be be found on Youtube and Bitchute.

245225 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 13, #1453 of 1760 🔗

Here’s a horrible thought to make you sick:

Johnson out. Next move a ‘government of national unity’ headed by a Tory as a puppet of Starmer.

Lockdown to infinity, Britain a colony of the EU, and a vaccine up your arse for daring to criticise.

Smile.

245238 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ovis, 6, #1454 of 1760 🔗

It would suit almost everyone in Westminster, including the ‘rebel’ Tories who could keep clean hands for the future, just in case there is one.

245244 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Ovis, 9, #1455 of 1760 🔗

AlanG has been saying throughout that he expects a ‘Government of National Unity’ but actually headed by Starmer. Time will tell – the wheels are coming off the bus but it remains to be seen whether there’ll be any benefit to us! MW

245429 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ovis, 3, #1456 of 1760 🔗

maybe the formation of the CRG forced events today?

245446 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ovis, 5, #1457 of 1760 🔗

A change of government does nothing as his is all about the science. SAGE need called out. Maybe Johnson has one more roll of the dice, sack Wity and Valance. Get Henegen, Gupta and Yeardon to convene an interim advisory group. Get Trump in to lead it. Win

245472 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1458 of 1760 🔗

Funny idea but I’d sooner have Atlas to be honest.

245563 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, #1459 of 1760 🔗

You obviously haven’t yet twigged that Starmer is a Tory!

245228 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1460 of 1760 🔗

Not for the fainthearted or for the next Project fear
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180206090650.htm?fbclid=IwAR3F9H4Aa90lB-zor_pcedPvgHFxtgl4ERW_5n6iLSJ8ABn0qFGdv6Nylxw Viruses — lots of them — are falling from the sky “An astonishing number of viruses are circulating around the Earth’s atmosphere — and falling from it — according to new research. The study marks the first time scientists have quantified the viruses being swept up from the Earth’s surface into the free troposphere, beyond Earth’s weather systems but below the stratosphere where jet airplanes fly. The viruses can be carried thousands of kilometers there before being deposited back onto the Earth’s surface

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17853907/

 Marine viruses–major players in the global ecosystem Viruses are by far the most abundant ‘lifeforms’ in the oceans and are the reservoir of most of the genetic diversity in the sea Every second, approximately 10(23) viral infections occur in the ocean. These infections are a major source of mortality, and cause disease in a range of organisms, from shrimp to whales. As a result, viruses influence the composition of marine communities and are a major force behind biogeochemical cycles. Each infection has the potential to introduce new genetic information into an organism or progeny virus, thereby driving the evolution of both host and viral assemblages.

245342 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1461 of 1760 🔗

How are SAGE planning to control these atmospheric viruses? A large umbrella perhaps?

245360 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DJ Dod, 4, #1462 of 1760 🔗

Windmills.

245413 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1463 of 1760 🔗

A fleet of helicopters spraying the sky with sanitizer.

245470 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 1, #1464 of 1760 🔗

Or planes dropping soapy hygiene bombs

245462 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1465 of 1760 🔗

They’ll put us under huge domes like in those sci-fi stories from the 1920s and 30s.

245435 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1466 of 1760 🔗

The Spanish flu could well have been carried on the air ways. Popped up in many disparate lcoatjons at a time of little travel

245604 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to swedenborg, #1467 of 1760 🔗

I seem to remember Fred Hoyle writing a serious book on such theories back in the 50s/60s ? Germs from outer space sort of thing.

245617 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to swedenborg, #1468 of 1760 🔗

Or somebody could be spraying different types of pathogenic virus from high flying aircraft. I understand that Bill Gates has a considerable commercial interest in geoengineering, so maybe not too far fetched.

245230 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 18, #1469 of 1760 🔗

A little bit off topic perhaps…

But there’s a girl that I got on quite well with in the office. I haven’t seen her in the office since March but still keep in touch somewhat through social media etc. I’d got a fair number of positive signs before that.

I’d like to ask her out, but not sure what to do, given that we probably won’t be in the office for months to come and asking her virtually just seems, well, lame.

I get the impression that she’s fed up of the restrictions too, so could at least probably go for a walk or something I guess…

These restrictions are cruel in that they discourage human contact and make it even harder for us to engage with those that we are interested in, but aren’t quite sure how to proceed with.

245234 ▶▶ Julian, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 24, #1470 of 1760 🔗

Asking for dating advice from strangers on the Internet is definitely a good idea 🙂

Ask her out

Life is too bloody short, especially if you’re right and she’s a sceptic

245539 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 5, #1471 of 1760 🔗

Ask her ‘will you be the Julia to my Winston?’

245600 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1472 of 1760 🔗

That one ended well, didn’t it!?

245235 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 11, #1473 of 1760 🔗

Go for it!

245259 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 13, #1474 of 1760 🔗

Do it.
Doesn’t matter what you do – walk, sit and talk, chat about life. Just enjoy each others company.

245261 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1475 of 1760 🔗

Ask for her phone number, say you miss seeing her and it would be nice to talk to her

245262 ▶▶ guy153, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 24, #1476 of 1760 🔗

Ask her to be in your support bubble. There is no higher form of flattery these days.

245336 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to guy153, 9, #1477 of 1760 🔗

Haha. Indeed.

No time like the present – just go for it! No regrets!

245304 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 4, #1479 of 1760 🔗

Are we agony aunts now btw? No problem if we are – just checking
Have had some wine, so probably over-sharing a bit right now

245335 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to CGL, 8, #1480 of 1760 🔗

I just thought there’d be no risk in getting some advice from strangers in the internet who seem like intelligent, thoughtful people. 🙂

245372 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 6, #1481 of 1760 🔗

Social Contact = Resistance

245458 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1482 of 1760 🔗

Nice to be appreciated 🙂
Go get her!

245601 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1483 of 1760 🔗

… who seem like intelligent, thoughtful people.

I’m daft and pissed, but also reckon you should go for it …

245365 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 6, #1484 of 1760 🔗

And why not? Where else would you get better advice? And outprs comes free and with no obligation!

245460 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 1, #1485 of 1760 🔗

Absolutely – however we can help eh! We know what we’re talking about.

245345 ▶▶ annie, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 8, #1486 of 1760 🔗

Ask her out. The worst she can say is ‘no’.
Maybe she’s just longing for you to ask!

245362 ▶▶ calchas, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 11, #1487 of 1760 🔗

You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.

Ask her – life is for living.

It isn’t for staying safe.

245415 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 7, #1488 of 1760 🔗

Life is for living.
It isn’t for staying safe.

My new sticker! Great!

245506 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to calchas, 1, #1489 of 1760 🔗

Nicely put. I need to do something.

245364 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 9, #1490 of 1760 🔗

Try “missing office banter -want to meet up for pretend water cooler chat?”

245379 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 9, #1491 of 1760 🔗

Phone her up. She will be so shocked that you are using your actual voice to communicate you will stand out from crowd. Then get her to meet you somewhere nice and have a nice drink, some Munchies and a chat. Call it a pic-nik if you will. Cream cakes/scones/Champagne/sarnies/sausage rolls are also useful tools of seduction.

Obviously she can be in your sport bubble

245426 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 5, #1492 of 1760 🔗

faint heart never won fair maid

245459 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1493 of 1760 🔗

Go for it!!! Why not?

245236 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 19, #1494 of 1760 🔗

In our local paper:

Police officers “swooped” on a flower sellers this week, closing multiple open air flower sellers including one directly outside a major supermarket in which you can, of course, buy flowers.

245243 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 22, #1495 of 1760 🔗

Feel so extremely sorry for honest traders that just want to put food on the table for their families

245247 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #1496 of 1760 🔗

They should no longer be referred to as ‘police officers’. A much more pejorative term is needed to describe these low-lifes.

245268 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Tenchy, 15, #1497 of 1760 🔗

“The Filth” is an established and appropriate term

245282 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ossettian, 3, #1498 of 1760 🔗

None of this!

You are doing exactly what the ****** government want you to do.

How do you get a police state? above all by making the people and the police hate one another. Direct your anger to the gov and to the heads of police and get writing your letters again.

Try to keep speaking to ordinary police officers as if they are decent humans, as the vast majority are. This is a critical battle of these weeks and you are on the wrong side of it with attitudes like this.

245290 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Rosie, 13, #1499 of 1760 🔗

I live opposite one.

He’s a complete twat.

I really like his parents, though.

245425 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1500 of 1760 🔗

Don’t tar them all with the same brush.
And don’t assume they’re all the same as Cressida Shit’s lackeys and the SPG or whatever it’s called nowadays.

Notice the ones sent to harrass the traders tend to be young and inexperienced. What does that tell you about the “real” cops?

245332 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Rosie, 13, #1501 of 1760 🔗

East Europe became free of communism 30 years ago when the populace put sufficient pressure on the police and army that they in turn stopped supporting the Elite.

“Choose your side” is an appropriate catchphrase to be used against these thugs.

245338 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to Rosie, 6, #1502 of 1760 🔗

Spend an unpleasant (but entertaining, thanks to the brilliance of the author) hour watching the CrimeBodge YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUSL8poMxM_uXWzWExJaY-w

Police have chosen a side, and it ain’t ours.

245487 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Rosie, 4, #1503 of 1760 🔗

if enough of them said enough and read the reglations and said they are not legally empowered to show up and threaten arrest, then it wouldn’t happen. Just following orders wtf? It will all come out, decent people dont do what these police are doing they would object. They are as much a part of the problem as all of parliament is.

245484 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ossettian, #1504 of 1760 🔗

in the case of the flower sellers above aribtrary fuckers on the crowns pay is more apt

245276 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1505 of 1760 🔗

“Pigs” or “Kapos” fit the bill nicely, I think.

245330 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1506 of 1760 🔗

Blockwart has been suggested previously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockleiter

245550 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1507 of 1760 🔗

AGW – armed government worker

245599 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Eddie, #1508 of 1760 🔗

– or
+ an

245253 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #1509 of 1760 🔗

As I keep saying, the purpose of this lockdown is to destroy what remains of the free market economy (as well as to drive us crazy)

245266 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, 1, #1510 of 1760 🔗

Tick to 2nd aim! (sorry – I know you’re an optimist – must try harder)

245288 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, 15, #1511 of 1760 🔗

I’m less an optimist than cold white with fury.

I’ve had more than my share of knocks in life, and was getting my act together and trying to get creative again – only for these people to destroy ordinary life as we watch.

They need to go to jail and it’s our responsibility to put them there.

245302 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, 7, #1512 of 1760 🔗

Your determination is very apparent – and hugely admirable Rosie
Yes – retribution is required. I hope it will be done.

245633 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, #1513 of 1760 🔗

And drive what is left into the loving arms of big brother and he will decide if you are green enough to survive.

245597 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to A. Contrarian, #1514 of 1760 🔗

They need a few lettuces, bananas, spuds – then they should be ok.

245240 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #1515 of 1760 🔗

Pfizer vaccine publicity unethical

Premature and presumptuous Pfizer vaccine publicity
“The lack of data is very concerning….All we have right now is a headline by Pfizer”
Dr Peter Doshi, associate editor, BMJ

What can we make of this? In terms of the key statement on effectiveness, let’s say that just 10% of the infected group of 94 were infected. If you round that up to 10 people, a 90% claim that would make it 9 out of 10 were able to prevent infection post-vaccination. Not a lot of people potentially – which is why Pfizer and BioNTech should have been clear about numbers because 60 is a lot different to 10. But, remember that the press release states “over 90%”? Dialling in the inner Sherlock Holmes, just 11 of the infected group also being vaccinated, with 10 of these exhibiting immunogenicity as per predetermined trial endpoints would do it (9 divided by 10 gives 90.9%).

But for this interim endpoint the protocol lists primary and secondary endpoints for effectiveness – principally the prevention of Covid-19 symptoms in those showing evidence of infection (by nucleic acid amplification tests [NAAT]), as well as secondary ones – the development of various serological (antibody) results such as neutralizing antibody titers, S1-binding IgG and/or RBD-binding IgG levels, N-binding antibody . But which ones and by how much? And for how long (too soon for that of course)?

What else would we need to know to understand better the BioNTech/Pfizer interim result? Key information that hasn’t yet been put into the public domain and could have accompanied the interim release includes:

  • The number of people in the vaccinated or placebo groups who were exposed to SARS-CoV-2
  • The demography (age, gender, ethnicity, etc) of those who were infected and how many of these represent the most vulnerable groups i.e. the elderly or those with comorbidities
  • On what particular outcome parameters was the effectiveness determined? Was it, for example, based on lack of Covid-19 disease symptoms combined with elevated antibody responses, and if so which ones?
  • How serious was the manifestation of Covid-19 disease in the equivalent vaccinated and placebo groups (i.e. similar ages, gender, ethnicity and underlying disease pattern)?
  • What is the composition of the placebo that is being delivered to 50% of the 44,000-strong study population? Does it include the lipid nanoparticle minus the mRNA that encodes for the full-length spike protein of SARS-CoV-2?
  • What was the response of the cell-mediated (T cell) side of the adaptive immune system (which are not included in the endpoints according to the trial protocol)? The October publication of the Phase 1 results in the New England Journal of Medicine indicated it was the sister vaccine, BNT162b1, that produced a strong T-cell response but this was dropped as the vaccine induced some serious adverse reactions
  • What was the nature, severity and extent of adverse events to BNT162b2 reported until now in the Phase 3 trial?
  • How long will immunogenicity against SARS-CoV-2 persist in different people?

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/premature-and-presumptuous-pfizer-vaccine-publicity/

245263 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Victoria, 15, #1516 of 1760 🔗

Starting to think we probably will never see a Pfizer vaccine and it was just a statement to create a windfall share sale for the MD. Or am I just being cynical?

245327 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Achilles, 5, #1517 of 1760 🔗

Looks like a pump and dump alright. Question is who else benefited?

245434 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1518 of 1760 🔗

And a Biden elbow bump

245339 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, 4, #1519 of 1760 🔗

I very much doubt if it will ever get to us.
But it has exposed the viciousness of those zombies, and their puppet masters, who are falling over themselves to demand imprisonment for those wishing to exercise their human right to refuse a medical procedure.

245248 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #1520 of 1760 🔗

Evidence of collateral damage from lockdowns consolidates
Great Barrington scientists team up with UK businessman Luke Johnson to create repository of evidence of lockdown harms

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/evidence-of-collateral-damage-from-lockdowns-consolidates/

245252 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1521 of 1760 🔗

Great Barrington Declaration signatures

245281 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 6, #1522 of 1760 🔗

Good to see Johnson getting more involved

He has spoken up strongly from the start and I was hoping he would put his money where his mouth is – fair play to him

245355 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 6, #1523 of 1760 🔗

Yes, both he and his former partner in Pizza Express, Hugh Osmond, prominent lockdown sceptics and part-qualified doctors. Sir Rocco has also been pushing hard (he is a friend of Prince Charles – hope he is getting through!)

245407 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1524 of 1760 🔗

And they are all rich, which helps, so they have funds to make a difference with

Think they should all pool their resources, with Dolan, TY and others to get some serious media exposure for the truth – ads on TV, internet, posters, nationwide leaflet drop, interviews on TV and radio, targeted campaigns on Facebook and Twitter – get an honest(ish) sceptical version of Cummings to mastermind it

245443 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 1, #1525 of 1760 🔗

Won’t the OFCOM rules get in the way though?

245423 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, #1526 of 1760 🔗

He’s been a sceptic from the word go and has been consistent. Much like Simon Dolan and Sir Rocco Forte.

245422 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, #1527 of 1760 🔗

That poster is excellent and would make a great leaflet to give around.

245430 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, #1528 of 1760 🔗

Excellent. Positive development

245251 Scouse Sceptic, 10, #1529 of 1760 🔗

Apologies if already posted but Elon Musk already gaining a lot of attention for this tweet – 4 tests in one day : 2 positive, 2 negative

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1327125840040169472

245254 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 14, #1530 of 1760 🔗

The Nazi party can’t just give us children one night to enjoy ourselves :-

“And when something comes along, like a magnificent Scotland football team victory we all naturally want to celebrate. But I want to share some words with you from the director of health NHS Grampian.

“I can see this virus does not rest, it does not take a minute off, much less 90 minutes, extra time and penalties. Letting our guard down gives it the opportunity to pass from person to person and too many families can confirm it can have deadly consequences.

“I agree wholeheartedly with that – yes we want to celebrate but we all have to understand, following the social distancing rules and the FACTS guidance are critical to interrupt the spread of the virus. What the virus needs is human contact.”

If only the NHS director understood that what humans need is human contact as well something the general population has been severely starved of!

245334 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to JHuntz, 17, #1531 of 1760 🔗

I read this after I watched the wonderful Scotland team celebrating by doing everything that is forbidden, hugging, dancing and singing and not wearing a face cloth. It was a joy to watch and has absolutely nothing to do with Scotland winning and everything to do with what I’m now craving for, hugs, lots of them and dancing and singing in groups.

Those party poopers can go and do one and what humans need, is human contact.

245417 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Just about sane, 4, #1532 of 1760 🔗

Human need humans. Humans with faces.
If you don’t want other humans, with faces, you’re a zombie.

245457 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1533 of 1760 🔗

But the virus does relax. Anytime before 10pm in a pub and also while you are eating and drinking. Apparently. Unless you are going to the loo, shopping or even, for some people, driving in a car.

Not much of a scientist this chap eh!

245257 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #1534 of 1760 🔗

The CT Cycles and PCR test has to be the undoing.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

Low Ct values (high viral load) more likely indicate acute disease and high infectivity. High Ct values (low viral load) can be attributed to several clinical scenarios whereby the risk of infectivity may be reduced but interpretation requires clinical context.

Whilst high Ct values may be associated with reduced infectivity, a swab taken at a single point in time does not provide information about the trajectory or subsequent course of illness.

RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present. The quantity of intact virus in upper respiratory swabs will be affected by factors that are endogenous and exogenous to laboratory methods.

https://www.thermofisher.com/uk/en/home/life-science/cloning/cloning-learning-center/invitrogen-school-of-molecular-biology/pcr-education/pcr-reagents-enzymes/pcr-cycling-considerations.html

PCR steps of denaturation, annealing, and extension are repeated (or “cycled”) many times to amplify the target DNA. The number of cycles is usually carried out 25–35 times but may vary upon the amount of DNA input and the desired yield of PCR product. If the DNA input is fewer than 10 copies, up to 40 cycles may be required to produce a sufficient yield. More than 45 cycles is not recommended as nonspecific bands start to appear with higher numbers of cycles. Also, accumulation of by-products and depletion of reaction components drastically lower PCR efficiency, resulting in a characteristic plateau phase for a PCR amplification curve.

https://toptipbio.com/ct-value-qpcr/

https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_should_be_the_maximum_cycle_number_in_qPCR

Are we in the UK still using 45?

245269 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1535 of 1760 🔗

Of course we are! It’s all random. R-A-N-D-O-M !

245325 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Sarigan, #1536 of 1760 🔗

AFAIK yes.

245592 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sarigan, #1537 of 1760 🔗

Dr Sebastian Rushworth has written a good informative article:
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

245258 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #1538 of 1760 🔗

The Bernician Website under attack again after publishing this in their newsletter

245295 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Victoria, 14, #1539 of 1760 🔗

This site is a mystery to me. Would someone kindly explain it?

Who has approved the arrest warrant, and why do they say things like this? One time they claimed that 10 MPs had resigned, and that wasn’t true. Are they for real or playing games? I don’t get it …

245318 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Rosie, 4, #1540 of 1760 🔗

I’m glad you asked Rosie. I don’t understand it either.

245320 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Rosie, 4, #1541 of 1760 🔗

I think it’s like Qanon.

245333 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Rosie, 4, #1542 of 1760 🔗

Their language is so hyperbolic, and their claims too, that I don’t find them credible.

245348 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to Rosie, 2, #1543 of 1760 🔗

Hi Rosie..I read through their evidence bundle today.

It consists of the various freedom of information requests. There are a number because they were redirected…. (obfuscation?). One of the government bodies (I forget which PHE perhaps) eventually gave an explanation about how infectious agents are normally isolated and why viruses did not need to pass the Koch Postulates these days… anyway that resulted in many more questions …to go through the FOI process

They (he) have requested the governments documentary evidence for existence of the virus and because this has not been forthcoming then its assumed there isn’t any and that parliament / government have failed in their duty of care

I believe that they had great difficulty delivering the legal papers to the cabinet ministers and ended up having to send them electronically I think.

Anyways I think he has his head screwed on

I hope this helps

245689 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to helen, #1544 of 1760 🔗

Thanks – next question:

are you the same Helen who has emailed me about philosophy and is talking also to my friend Paul Gregory …. or are you a different Helen ? 😉 🙂 !

245419 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Rosie, 1, #1545 of 1760 🔗

Me too, puzzled of Berkshire.

245502 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to davews, #1546 of 1760 🔗

Ooh – check the forums

245499 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Rosie, 2, #1547 of 1760 🔗

I stopped listening as soon as I read the ’10 MPs have resigned’ claim. I have no idea what this website’s game is.

245531 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Rosie, 1, #1548 of 1760 🔗

It’s just delusional ravings, I think. Best completely ignored.

245595 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1549 of 1760