Last updated2020-11-15T12:04:47



247226 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 19, #1 of 1680 🔗

(first by the way)

An interesting point raised on another forum: will insurance companies give lower premiums for those who have had the vaccine? Or might it be the other way round?

247228 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Barney McGrew, 58, #2 of 1680 🔗

Frankly, I think anyone who gets the vaccine will be in for a lifetime of potential problems like autoimmune disorders. I’d lower premiums from those not taking the vaccine since they have a 99.7% chance of surviving and will have natural immunity.

247233 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 30, #3 of 1680 🔗

The Executive Editor of the BMJ clearly agrees with you.
Further to Toby’s quote from yesterdays editorial

‘. . .cherry picking favourable reports* or gagging scientists is a danger to public health causing deaths by exposing people to unsafe or ineffective interventions and preventing them from benefiting from better ones’

*by those with financial ulterior motives as previously mentioned in Toby’s quote.

247466 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #4 of 1680 🔗

Well I think it’s a great question, because although the drug companies can be pre-indemnified against the side effects their products cause, the problem is just pushed onto the insurance companies. They effectively have to insure the vaccine via their insurance of individuals.

Just as political anoraks often look at bookmakers’ odds to get an independent no-BS feel for a political question, it will be fascinating to see what the insurance companies do. Unless the government lets them off the hook, too, somehow…

I think this is where the new ‘anti-vax’ censorship laws may come in. Maybe deals will be done but reporting on them will be effectively banned.

And of course, the vaccine may, in the end, just be a placebo. With the censorship laws keeping the lid on it…

247609 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #5 of 1680 🔗

Now share this Toby

Emergency Laws to Stamp Out Free Speech 🤐 | Carl Vernon

248383 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #6 of 1680 🔗

I hear you, but there is one country, New Zealand, that cannot make do with a placebo. They need a fully functioning, bells and whistles vaccine. Sweden was the control for lockdown, NZ is the control for the vaccine…

248583 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Will, 1, #7 of 1680 🔗

Brilliant posting, thank you!

You are so right, Lisa. Thank you for your sensible contribution!

248256 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Twig, #9 of 1680 🔗

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247229 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 16, #10 of 1680 🔗

Armies of actuaries bearing away on that one Barney. They don’t have to toe the government line so their conclusion will be interesting.

247244 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Barney McGrew, 48, #11 of 1680 🔗

If the vaccination system is as slick as test and trace you will probably be able to book a jab, not go but receive a vaccination ticket anyway!

247347 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #12 of 1680 🔗

That’ll do me

247247 ▶▶ annie, replying to Barney McGrew, 37, #13 of 1680 🔗

Let’s see if anybody gets it, first. I anticipate a slew of nasty and quite possibly fatal side effects among the oldies who get it, even if it gets that far. And even if that doesn’t happen, NHS incompetence will ensure it doesn’t reach the population at large until after it’s proved not to be the magic bullet thst the zombies assume it to be.

247455 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to annie, 33, #14 of 1680 🔗

The NHS works a lot harder when pushing vaccines then when people need treatment. Its virtually impossible to get through to my GP on the phone but I received 3 calls from them trying to get my 3 year old to take the flu vaccine – apparently its more important then ever to give my child the flu vaccine to protect the NHS. As a parent I am more interested in protecting my child.

247507 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Saved To Death, 14, #15 of 1680 🔗

I’ve had 5 texts reminding me to take the normal flu vaccine, which I never do, usually it is only one. They have stopped asking patients to go to a singularly inconvenient location to take it instead hiring a church hall over the road in an attempt to bump up the uptake.

To get me on their Covid vaccine database I suspect.

248581 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to karenovirus, 1, #16 of 1680 🔗

I’m so relieved my GPs surgery doesn’t have my mobile number and maybe if people don’t want bombarding with texts and calls. they should block the surgery number.

248861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to fiery, #17 of 1680 🔗

I can’t because they also send me texts about my normal medication.

247629 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Saved To Death, -6, #18 of 1680 🔗

The Tories have never wanted to protect the NHS ever since Thatcher they have wanted to see it off at rock bottom price to their cronies in the City or the upstart Country they continue to preach that We have a special relationship with which We know is bullshit

247704 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Adam, 3, #19 of 1680 🔗

Oh god not that hoary old chestnut again…move on mate for gods sake!

247953 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Adam, #20 of 1680 🔗

We tried to up-vote this as we think you are absolutely correct. And, no, we don’t give a shite if you down-vote this, whoever you are! MW

248172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #21 of 1680 🔗

Hear hear MW!

247944 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Saved To Death, 17, #22 of 1680 🔗

If we have to give up our rights and liberties, decimate the economy, undermine the rule of law, hollow out democracy, be ruled by ministerial decree and be denied access to health care, what is the point of protecting the NHS?

248181 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #24 of 1680 🔗


248703 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to annie, 2, #25 of 1680 🔗

The effects you describe may be seen as a feature, rather than a bug by the people in charge.

What better way to ease the burden on under- and unfunded pension liabilities?

248072 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #26 of 1680 🔗

Interesting question. Insurance companies usually get it right, so perhaps it’d be a good idea to watch how they’re viewing the situation to get an idea of the risk factors.

248257 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #27 of 1680 🔗

Good point. Likewise the actuarial valuation of annuities and pension. If you DON’T have the vaccine, you should get a higher pension!

248400 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to WhyNow, 4, #28 of 1680 🔗

Not sure real economics count for jack any more. It’s the politics, stupid.

248465 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #29 of 1680 🔗

I don’t think it would have a significant impact on life insurance but may do for critical illness and to a lesser extent income protection.

247227 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 21, #30 of 1680 🔗

Ramping up the fear.
The Uks chief vet has declared an Avian Influenza Prevention Zone (AIPZ) over the whole of England to reduce the risk of the disease spreading after birds in Devon were discovered to have been infected.

One adult swan and five cygnets were confirmed dead on Monday 9th (November) in Dawlish while others are reported to be unwell.

Other cases of the ‘highly pathogenic’ H5N8 strain have also been reported in Gloucestershire, Dorset and now Herefordshire.

All bird owners are instructed to prevent flocks mingling with wild birds. Good luck with that.

247234 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 16, #31 of 1680 🔗

There were birds in the pub last night they seemed ok

247236 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #32 of 1680 🔗

‘ bird owner’s is sexist and offensive

This is not the 1970’s

247240 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #33 of 1680 🔗

Good, members of the public are requested to report sightings of dead birds but not to pick them up.

247245 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 14, #34 of 1680 🔗

‘ don’t mingle with wild bird’s ‘

Just like my old mum told me

247524 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 5, #35 of 1680 🔗

Of course cats like to ‘mingle with birds’, and even bring them into the house.

I tell you: at some point it won’t be the mink, but the cats they’re coming after…

248183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #36 of 1680 🔗

That’s much more scary than any coronavirus!

247246 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 9, #37 of 1680 🔗

Ah ‘mingling ‘ again, no good ever came from mingling

247833 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, 2, #38 of 1680 🔗

Buddy Johnson Orchestra, Minglin’.

247275 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #39 of 1680 🔗

Shouldn’t the birds be fined if they congregate in groups of more than six?

248753 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 4, #40 of 1680 🔗

Not if supporting Blackbirds Matter

247276 ▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 4, #41 of 1680 🔗

I understand that AI outbreaks are common at this time of year, and AIPZs not uncommon.

247514 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 5, #42 of 1680 🔗

But the press don’t warn us every year about this ‘highly pathogenic’ strain.

248396 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to TJN, 2, #43 of 1680 🔗

Funnily enough when animals migrate, be it to other countries or indeed to universities, they tend to bring bugs with them… it is a rather important feature of nature and has been happening for a while…

248464 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Will, 1, #44 of 1680 🔗

100s of million years at the minimum. Neurotic Hypochondriacs have a vivid imagination.

248463 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TJN, 1, #45 of 1680 🔗

5G AI outbreaks?

247594 ▶▶ microdave, replying to karenovirus, 4, #46 of 1680 🔗

Prevent flocks mingling with wild birds. Good luck with that

One of my regular trips out into the countryside involves a stop in a very quiet lane, adjacent to a large pig rearing field. Not to imbibe the fragrant aroma, but to look for birds of prey, who find good pickings in the vicinity. I’ve always chuckled at the absurdity of a notice pinned to the fence which says (words to the effect of) “Disease Precautions – Keep Out”. Bearing in mind that large flocks of Crows, Rooks & Seagulls are always frequenting the site – and no doubt plenty of Rats also – I wonder what purpose this sign, and others like it, actually serve?

247915 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to microdave, 3, #47 of 1680 🔗

Crows are quite clever – maybe they can read now?

248187 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to microdave, 1, #48 of 1680 🔗

Scare off wimpy pig nickers?

248771 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to microdave, 1, #49 of 1680 🔗

Cambridge town hall used to sport a notice saying ‘Nuclear Free Zone’.
And it worked. Cambridge never got nuked.

248087 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to karenovirus, 7, #50 of 1680 🔗

Soon we’ll be told we’re all going to die of Corvid 20 or Mad Crow Disease.

248466 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Banjones, 3, #51 of 1680 🔗

These people fear Nature. Hate it too.

248263 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to karenovirus, 1, #52 of 1680 🔗

I always preferred mingling with wild birds.

247230 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 17, #53 of 1680 🔗

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“Lockdown protests: Jeremy Corbyn’s brother arrested in conspiracy theorist demonstration in Bristol.”

Happily the Mail has a much more substantial and wideranging report on both the Bristol demo and that in Liverpool with the commenters full on sceptic as usual.

247469 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to karenovirus, 2, #54 of 1680 🔗

Weren’t Carrie Symonds’s parents both working for the so called ‘Independent’? A strange back ground for a ‘conservative’…but maybe not these days!

247591 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Borisbullshit, -5, #55 of 1680 🔗

Not at all ‘strange’ – the Independent was always with the mainstream (aka conservative) press.

247705 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, 1, #56 of 1680 🔗

Dear god.

247851 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #57 of 1680 🔗

PM Moron Johnson.

247231 D B, replying to D B, 30, #58 of 1680 🔗

Another covid-nonsense induced sleepless night. Going to have to get out on the bike to get some energy and frustration burnt.

I’m sure I’m not the only one – probably another one they can add to the long list of symptoms they make up every week.

247301 ▶▶ annie, replying to D B, 17, #59 of 1680 🔗

Try audiobooks, or soft music, or anything that makes you think pleasanter thoughts.

In my experience, when your body really needs sleep, it will take it, so don’t worry.

247392 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to annie, 4, #60 of 1680 🔗

It did eventually between 6:30 and about 20 mins ago. Thanks for the advice I’m normally a sound sleeper but put it down to being in the house too much not enough fresh air

247680 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to D B, 9, #61 of 1680 🔗

DB – I had been having the same problem. A couple of weeks ago I spent a whole week not looking at the news websites, LS or anything else COVID related. I felt a lot more positive and balanced after that. I now also have an evening cut off of about 8pm, after which I have no screen time, except sometimes for work. This has reduced the COVID thoughts at 3am.

247754 ▶▶▶ Paul B, replying to Ozzie, 13, #62 of 1680 🔗

As much as I wish to stand and fight I have to keep stepping back from it all, the damage to my mental and physical health these last 8 months not to mention my interpersonal relationships is awful. I feel more hopeful now that it’s not just a few as in March and am extremely grateful to this website. I hope we’ll be ok and eventually the public will have had enough. I’m not downloading any apps or taking any jabs so if that’s the hill I die on I’ve made my peace wit it, over to the masses…

247232 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 43, #63 of 1680 🔗

‘ a battle for Boris’s soul’s

They would have to find it first

247235 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 9, #64 of 1680 🔗

Probably up his ‘Rsoul’

Carrie wants find the ‘old consensual boris’s. Nothing good ever came out of consensual politics.

247257 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 23, #65 of 1680 🔗

Both versions of dePiffle are dud. What a fool. Just go, Johnson. Give us your ‘second wave’.

247352 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 5, #66 of 1680 🔗

Ruinous Cycle lanes came out of his time as Mayor of London.

247474 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 10, #67 of 1680 🔗

The man is beyond pity. If all he wanted was to enjoy a young woman wouldn’t it have made more sense just to have an occasional visit to an escort? Also that way he would not have to satisfy a hungry young woman on a daily basis….no wonder he always looks fucked….as is the country under his ‘leadership’!

247960 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #68 of 1680 🔗

Ha ha, only a man could possibly write that! 9 months of pregnancy followed by birth and a baby at the breast is not conducive to nightly sex, I assure you.

247637 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 9, #69 of 1680 🔗

Why is Johnson’s iffy girlfriend having a say on the workings of government resign Johnson take Hancock with you

247314 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, 1, #70 of 1680 🔗

Anyway, who would want it.

247439 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Cecil B, 3, #71 of 1680 🔗

How can I have a good day now that I’m thinking about Johnson’s… errrr… johnson dancing at the end of a piece of string?

247479 ▶▶ Mr Bee, replying to Cecil B, 1, #72 of 1680 🔗

You’re assuming he’s got one.

247532 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cecil B, 5, #73 of 1680 🔗

she’s got his balls in her hands

247574 ▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Cecil B, 6, #74 of 1680 🔗

I remember the moment in the “Spinal Tap” motion picture when the cricket bat-toting manager is replaced by the girlfriend, and the band’s situation nosedives.

247238 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #75 of 1680 🔗

Attacks on Symonds ‘ vicious and cowardly’……………………. says, yes you guessed it……. Symonds

247242 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #76 of 1680 🔗

Surely such an experienced political operator as Symmonds would not hide behind that old canard ?

247316 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to karenovirus, 3, #77 of 1680 🔗

Surely ANY experienced political operator would INSTANTLY hide behind that!

247486 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to karenovirus, 2, #78 of 1680 🔗

People hide behind canards when they run out of valid arguments

247327 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 12, #79 of 1680 🔗

As usual we have the usual screeching from the feminanzis crying ‘victim’. If anyone is a victim it’s the People of this country who are governed by fools and egos.

247580 ▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Cecil B, 4, #80 of 1680 🔗

The ousted spads were waged.

The altruistic manipulatrix of the Johnsonian joystick will run the country for free.

Think of the money we’ll save.

247601 ▶▶ peter, replying to Cecil B, 6, #81 of 1680 🔗

she’s a disgusting slut who sucks dick for money and power

247239 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #82 of 1680 🔗

Jab jingle #6

‘Don’t be a Prick,
Take the prick.’

Sexist I know, sorry.

247249 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #83 of 1680 🔗

Reminds me of Private Eye’s long-ago comment on artificial insemination:

‘Will it hurt, doctor?’
‘You won’t even feel a little prick.’

247258 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, #84 of 1680 🔗


247396 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 2, #85 of 1680 🔗

it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 9:5 KJV

(Possible Viagra joke in there too).

248780 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #86 of 1680 🔗

Strictly not relevant. It refers to conscience. Boris hasn’t got one.

247241 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #87 of 1680 🔗

The Guardian: Sage expert:’flip-flopping’ on Covid restrictions unwise.

247248 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #88 of 1680 🔗

Government expert Prof John Edmund should know that governments don’t run epidemics, epidemics run themselves.

247351 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 8, #89 of 1680 🔗

Viruses gonna virus

247252 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #90 of 1680 🔗

Yes, don’t flip-flop, just lock everybody up until the magic potion arrives.
It makes me wonder about the miserable, stunted lives these Sages must always have led, insofar as they can terminate all normal human interaction without a qualm.

247270 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 10, #91 of 1680 🔗

Committee Unifying the Nation’s Top Scientists.

248479 ▶▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #92 of 1680 🔗

Can I use that? It will go so well with our existing Customer Understanding Network Team.

248488 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to rational actor, #93 of 1680 🔗

It’s yours. Please deploy.

247281 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 11, #94 of 1680 🔗

I’m coming to the conclusion that scientists in epidemiology simply weren’t good enough to get proper jobs in science.

247313 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 5, #95 of 1680 🔗

Insulated from reality WFH on full salaries.

247328 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 7, #96 of 1680 🔗

They’re sociopaths, they don’t do empathy.

247342 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #97 of 1680 🔗

At the beginning sage followed standard epidemiology.Edmunds ,Vallance etc are all on record advocating a policy akin to herd immunity.Why did they change and for what reason?

247521 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #98 of 1680 🔗

They bought/acquired shares in Pfizer ?

248227 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #99 of 1680 🔗

And GSK!!!

248224 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #100 of 1680 🔗

He’s a snake and she’s BS.

247243 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 19, #101 of 1680 🔗

If I had a proper 9-5 office job could I skive off with asymptomatic Long Covid?

247253 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #102 of 1680 🔗


247259 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 3, #103 of 1680 🔗

😂 You’re on great form this morning.

247330 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 6, #104 of 1680 🔗

Only in the public sector!

247251 Laurence, 1, #105 of 1680 🔗

Reply to Richard
Richard, response to your question from yesterday:

The BBC, reference is https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54931723
This very much an upper bound as I have adjusted for false negatives but not false positives, so the infection rate is most likely better than this.

247254 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 80, #106 of 1680 🔗

It is as if we were living in an episode of the Only Way is Essex meets Alice in Wonderland. It might be funny if it were not that this lot of petulant incompetent prima-donnas are in charge of our country. While lighting the wood-burner last night there was a programme on some TV channel about Churchill the contrast was stark. Despite drinking more alcohol per day than is currently recommended per week he knew what was going on; they talked about him sending a memo to the Home Secretary to stamp out pettifogging nitpicking nonsense about the way food rationing was being handled, he wanted people to support it through consensus not be annoyed by rules, I am not sure if Father Jack and Princess Nut nuts (Boris & Carrie) have a clue who the people are let alone what is going on.
At the same time Churchill was a man on the move meeting and addressing the troops and the people all over the place. The contrast with our present ‘leader’ was vivid.

But what strikes me overall is that we currently have time to reflect on these shenanigans at no 10. Today’s news-letter, as above, has to pick apart reports to find what is going on and if there is really a problem. Whereas back in March/April the death rate in the UK was double the 5 year average you did not have to look far to see people being sick and the hospital fatality rate was around 7%.. There was general agreement that was an emergency and emergency action was needed and Statutory Instruments were put in place hurriedly to try and meet the 3 stated objectives of the moment.
There is no longer an emergency, whatever is going on? you have to search it out and tease out the figures, that is not an emergency. Nobody is dropping bombs on the country and overall deaths are not wildly out of line with the average and so there is no longer an emergency. And no longer any need for these hastily drafted rather dubious Statutory Instruments that are currently making life a misery to no good effect.


247262 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Martindale, 25, #107 of 1680 🔗

Totally agree, fiddling while Rome burns, the tossers. You were living life on the edge, lighting a wood burner. Heard some news item on the radio the other night suggesting they may cause alzheimer’s (jeez, they’re really trying hard on the old carbon neutral guff atm).

Apologies if this has been posted already but this is excellent from Professor Sucharit Bhakdi:


247272 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to kh1485, 11, #108 of 1680 🔗

It’s a good one, isn’t it? I sent it to my sister-in-law and it converted her to the sceptics cause.

247278 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #109 of 1680 🔗

Very well done. Another one in the plus column

247358 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #110 of 1680 🔗

I posted it yesterday – no answer came the stern reply.
Not even looking at anything – think I’ve been unfollowed by them all.

248652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CGL, 4, #111 of 1680 🔗

They don’t want their Covid plague illusions shattered, that would hurt just too much.

247318 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 9, #112 of 1680 🔗

Mankind lived for tens of thousands of years in smokey hovels, mind you they didn’t live long enough to get alzheimer’s.

247414 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 3, #113 of 1680 🔗

Indeed. I felt like lighting my stove just as an act of defiance but it wasn’t cold enough to justify it!

247420 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 4, #114 of 1680 🔗

Can you remember where your stove is?

248654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Two-Six, 2, #115 of 1680 🔗

What is a stove?

247449 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to kh1485, 3, #116 of 1680 🔗

I’ve just watched this right through to the end. Amazing, thanks for posting.

248212 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #117 of 1680 🔗

Thanks for this. I’m just listening to it.

248248 ▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to kh1485, 3, #118 of 1680 🔗

Just watched it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. As more and more people put the thought out there that a/ this isn’t anything like as scary we first believed, and b/ if that is now known, why is it still being pushed as such, I truly hope and believe the whole ghastly mess will come tumbling down around their ears. They can’t shut us all down.

248339 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to kh1485, 2, #119 of 1680 🔗

He is superb – the 2 minutes from 17.30 about homo sapiens warrants a clip on Toby’s main post. Wish I knew how to cut and paste this short clip to send to fellow humans.

248344 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #120 of 1680 🔗

watch from here for 2 minutes – his intensity brings tears to the eyes

247283 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #121 of 1680 🔗

Having previously read a fair bit about Churchill – including the eight-volume Gilbert biography – I’m forced to the conclusion that Johnson has read, or at least understood, nothing whatsoever about him, despite claiming to have written a biography (which I haven’t read btw).

247395 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to TJN, 1, #122 of 1680 🔗

I’ve read it it’s blustery but fair.

247829 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to D B, 2, #123 of 1680 🔗

Johnson’s biography of Churchill? I remember reading somewhere ages ago that someone wrote it for him. No idea it that’s correct or not – but I do find it hard to imagine him having the metal discipline to sit down and write a book.

247424 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to TJN, 2, #124 of 1680 🔗

Well, Johnson has brought the British army to the streets of Britain, as Churchill did in Tonypandy.

247493 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #125 of 1680 🔗

In my opinion even back in March/April it there was little evidence of a deadly virus requiring such extreme measures – the good research(look at swiss doctors historical page) was already telling us this virus was not significantly more dangerous then the flu. Yes the media hysterics were impressive.

Remember that what was presented to us as they key evidence that we must lock down was not an analysis of the data describing what had happened – it was the now infamous Prof Furgeson model predicting what might happen and even at that time sufficient information was available to call in to question the inputs to this model.

247694 ▶▶ Watt, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #126 of 1680 🔗

Is there some ‘legislation’? Genuine question.

247255 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #127 of 1680 🔗

Devil’s Dictionary and Bonfire of the Liberties – very amusing!

247359 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #128 of 1680 🔗

Loved to poster! Best one yet I would say.

247256 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #129 of 1680 🔗

Anti lockdown demonstration in Wolverhampton as reported by BBC Midlands today: “Around 100 anti lockdown conspiracy theorists confronted by police”
That’s it then, no pictures or interviews with anyone who dares question this madness!!

247261 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #130 of 1680 🔗

MiniTrue in operation again.

247360 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #131 of 1680 🔗

So not biased then

247260 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 112, #132 of 1680 🔗

It’s enough now.

The figures from Liverpool (336 of 90,000 people tested are infected) are the clearest indication yet, although we’ve known for months the ‘second wave’ is a small ripple.

We’ve known for months the PCR test gives huge numbers of false positives (see for example NYT 29/8).

The excess deaths are because people have been petrified by the government from going to hospital. 39% of the country think over 3 million people have died FROM COVID in the UK alone.

At least 1.2 million (in the UK) have lost their jobs.

Lockdowns have achieved virtually nothing (compare Sweden to UK/ France etc)

The worst thing is children and young people have had their lives, education and employment opportunities devastated because of the idiocy of the government.

This is a disgrace. We must act normally and older/ vulnerable people should be careful as they always should this time of year.

Let’s have a reality check.

247296 ▶▶ annie, replying to Laurence, 12, #133 of 1680 🔗

Zombies don’t live in the real world.
Zombies don’t live.

247298 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Laurence, 35, #134 of 1680 🔗

Think bigger. We never had a serious problem in the first place. The death spike we had can’t be deconvoluted from bad practice. The issue is now people are brainwashed to believe that Covid is this big killer. Pneumonia is a big killer but we somehow just shrug that off.

247438 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Laurence, 41, #135 of 1680 🔗

This shit show isn’t about a virus, it’s about vaccines, saving dolphins, stopping the ice caps melting, stopping the sea levels rising, stopping the world heating up so its 38 degrees in December every year.

Like it is in Australia. Cos that’s global warming innit?

It’s about money, reputations,egos, power, control, coercion, lies, evil at play, universal ID, travel restrictions, cycle lanes, cutting carbon, working from home, shafting small business, killing pubs, mass brainwashing, psychological warfare, economic warfare, warfare against families, warfare against friendships, warfare against humanity.

Oh yer it might also be about a virus that’s in reality just a bit shit.

247688 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Two-Six, 7, #136 of 1680 🔗

I know I may get it in the neck hereabouts but this constant vilifying of the green movement always suggesting it is the enemy of ‘real’ life and business is somewhat misplaced. Change has always occurred from hunter gatherer to settled agrarian societies, from these to heavy industry, to the digital economies of now. I reckon if you had asked a coal miner if he preferred his son to follow him down the pit, or work in an office he probably would say the latter. For years small charities and orgs. have campaigned against a variety of things ,such as de- forestation, species loss, trade in endangered species, etc.. Biodiversity is essential fir life, see E O Wilson the biologist on Biophilia. Yes there will be ‘ greenwash’ from big business but innovation and jobs will result in newer, sigh greener industries. Question to the hairy -arsed vegan bashers.. would they slit the throat of a lamb in front of their kids? or buy a nice pre. packed piece of ‘meat’ from a supermarket? also micro plastics can be found in every organ in the body, if your happy with this carry on, if not what are your suggestions to do summat about it? Oh. and the Botham character cracking on about how great custodians of the countryside gamekeepers are yes these are the same arseholes that have devastated the Forest of Bowland of it’s Hen Harriers, the same place that has this bird as it’s logo!, they are responsible for the shooting, poisoning and trapping of many birds of prey and other species and quite frankly I know where I would place both barrels..

247713 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to David Grimbleby, 8, #137 of 1680 🔗

Why would you get it in the neck…you are entitled to your opinion and I would agree with some of it. He who hath no sin cast the first stone.

247976 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #138 of 1680 🔗

The only people who are incentivised to kill hen harriers are the followers of Packham who want shooting banned. Keepers aren’t killing hen harriers, followers of Packham are doing the killing and blaming it on the keepers.

248135 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Will, 1, #139 of 1680 🔗

Absolute bollox mate!

248329 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to David Grimbleby, #140 of 1680 🔗

Prove it. Which, of course you can’t.

248173 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to David Grimbleby, 9, #141 of 1680 🔗

It’s morphed into a ‘Green Blob’ Those people and their concerns you speak of are cottage industries in the Green firmament. The movement has been highjacked by the self serving establishment hiding behind a chimera of concern. They’re the same elite, using people to further their own interests, rather than serving them.

248377 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to David Grimbleby, 9, #142 of 1680 🔗

I am all for using less energy, working less, buying less crap, growing your own food, de-centralised food production and supply, even UBI to some extent. Little hobbit homes in rural areas, real communities. Cycling, less air travel. Less driving of cars. Solar power, wind power, water power, tidal power.

Low energy life-styles, not eating meat, even eating a vegan diet. All Ok with me.

I like all of these things and if the plan to drive these things wasn’t powered by people who are 100% evil I would be happy with the green revolution and the great reset.

However all these goals have been forced upon us with no discussion or democratic process and no public engagement . It’s global, It’s clumsy, Its damaging and its brutish.

248452 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Two-Six, 7, #143 of 1680 🔗

I concur. I’m very much on board with most of it, but what I thoroughly object to is the coercion, lying and bullying and the fact that they leave the less well off with no financially beneficial choices.

248612 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lili, 4, #144 of 1680 🔗

They have a solution for the poor and the workless.

248783 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 1, #145 of 1680 🔗

Not unlike Communism which is presented as being for the benefit of the people but which always ends in brutal subjugation..

ED: if Communism worked I would be all for it but a Century of trials shows that it does not.

248551 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to David Grimbleby, 3, #146 of 1680 🔗

The killing of hen harriers disgusts and infuriates me but I’m no Green. Nowt to do with Greenism. The Duke of [insert bastard offspring location 700 years ago] as owner needs 6 months in the slammer to consider his ways, doubled and doubled again for each offence his gamekeeper hides from. Greenies just latch on to others’ causes. Total cynics. Stop killing hens you feckers! Shame on you. Right, back to virus casedemics…

248779 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to David Grimbleby, 2, #147 of 1680 🔗

I was always quite pleased that the industrial revolution had freed us from the tyranny of perpetual working on the land, always digging muddy trenches in the rain with a wooden spade.

247855 ▶▶▶ Al Pipp, replying to Two-Six, 1, #148 of 1680 🔗

Well said!

247492 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Laurence, 1, #149 of 1680 🔗

hear hear

247800 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Laurence, 2, #150 of 1680 🔗

There is no virus.

248324 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddy, 7, #151 of 1680 🔗

There is a virus. It’s just nowhere near as dangerous as “They” would have people believe.

248628 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Eddy, 4, #152 of 1680 🔗

There is no empirical evidence that the Sars-cov-2 exists and it appears to be nothing more than very expensively rebranded influenza. They must have a powerful motive for carrying out this almighty scam and I can come up with all sorts of nasty reasons why they might do all this, but nothing benign ever comes to mind or makes any sense.

247910 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Laurence, 12, #153 of 1680 🔗

The second wave was a stall tactic to prolong the farce just long enough to coincide with the beginning of the flu season..

248789 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, 1, #154 of 1680 🔗

As predicted here 6 months ago

247975 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Laurence, 15, #155 of 1680 🔗

From what I’ve read, PCR tests can’t detect infections.

I’m dizzy and exhausted from all the skulduggery. If Cristiano Ronaldo can test positive three separate times, then we know that something fishy is going on. He must be super healthy.

If the PCR test had never been invented life would be going on as normal. We’re witnessing a PCR casedemic.

248473 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 3, #156 of 1680 🔗

Lies, lies and more lies. Every one of them a Pinocchio.

248785 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, 1, #157 of 1680 🔗

Look out for the Long Noses.

247263 Mars-in-Aries, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 15, #158 of 1680 🔗

Interesting to compare chart 2 with the Worldometer Covid death rate for UK.

Back in March/April, there were about 1000 deaths a day, so about 7000 deaths a week due to Covid. Chart 2 shows that the weekly death rate was about 10,000 a week up compared to the seasonal average. So I will be generous and say the increase in death rate seen in Chart 2 are substantially due to Covid.

But Covid deaths are now running at around 3,500 a week according to Worldometer, so why is that not showing up as an increase in the weekly death rate up to around 14,000 deaths a week in Chart 2?

The reason is that deaths due to other respiratory diseases is down and the apportionment of deaths due to other causes like strokes, heart attacks etc. is not what is usual for this time of year.

My point is that Whitty et al. know this, but they choose to assume that these Covid deaths are on top of what the NHS would usually have to deal with – as they were in March/April – whereas now, they are not. The NHS is not under stress due to Covid (if it ever was).

247603 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 7, #159 of 1680 🔗

Covid deaths are now running at around 3,500 a week”

Of course they’re not – in any meaningful sense.

Another example of misattribution.

That would mean ~1/3rd of all deaths are from SARS-CoV-2. (ONS base data)

… which is total bollocks.

247716 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #160 of 1680 🔗

Complete bollocks.

247719 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, 1, #161 of 1680 🔗

As in I agree with you!

247264 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 6, #162 of 1680 🔗


Worth reading; the new speak now in use in polite circles.

247268 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to wendyk, 24, #163 of 1680 🔗

Thanks for sharing the article Wendyk.

Be kind. Stay safe. Save lives. Unprecedented times.

makes me puke whenever I hear this bollox.

247294 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #164 of 1680 🔗

And me.

247265 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 30, #165 of 1680 🔗

“[I]f vaccination works and if we’re confident it’s safe, and all indications so far are good, then I can certainly see the day when businesses say: ‘Look, you’ve got to return to the office and if you’re not vaccinated you’re not coming in,’” Mr Tugendhat told the HuffPost’s Commons People podcast.

…here it comes…the next level of pleb enslavement.

247273 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #166 of 1680 🔗

Tugendtwat is clearly only in the CRG as a mole.

247300 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to mattghg, 6, #167 of 1680 🔗

FFS ! I didn’t realise TugEnd was in the CRG. Shills, many of them, I bet.

247311 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #168 of 1680 🔗

Sadly that probably true. It’s such an obvious redux that I’d be astonished if the party leadership DIDN’T try this.

247320 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to mattghg, 2, #169 of 1680 🔗

I’m a bit slow this morning but what does CRG stand for … have tried searching but only came up with Common Rich Girl!

247324 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to LS99, 3, #170 of 1680 🔗

Covid/Corona Research Group

247422 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to karenovirus, 2, #171 of 1680 🔗

Thank you.

247531 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to LS99, 2, #172 of 1680 🔗

Covid Recovery Group apparently 😉

247371 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 8, #173 of 1680 🔗

I sent the link to my MP yesterday so she knows we’re onto her
If they do this, I will resign.

247416 ▶▶ Mr_taxpayer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #174 of 1680 🔗

I’m sorry boss, but my vaccination status is medical in confidence.

If you’ve carried out a risk assessment and the the assessemtn has identified a virus as a workplace hazard and you’ve decided that vaccination is the appropriate control to that workplace hazard, then it’s your duty under the various bits of HEALTH and safety legislation to provide the vaccination at your expense.

247266 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 13, #175 of 1680 🔗

The battle for Boris’ soul is two bald men fighting over a comb.

247293 ▶▶ annie, replying to Recusant, 4, #176 of 1680 🔗

A non- existent comb.

247924 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #177 of 1680 🔗
247267 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 4, #178 of 1680 🔗

Music and Lyrics by Lewis Papier
The Scam

When you’ve been the victim of THE SCAM
You believe you’re lending helping hands
Never close, your gaze has turned to stone
You march apart, sadly all alone
You believe you’re saving many lives
Now it’s time to pull out all your knives
You claim you’ve been surely heaven sent
Ensuring that you will crush all dissent

Now it’s time to grab your trusty mask
Put it on so you fulfill your tasks
Keep your six feet distance to the inch
Isolate, no contact, it’s a cinch!
You ignore the people that you hurt
They’ve lost their jobs now they feel like dirt
Never acting like you really should
Claiming it’s for the greater good

Insisting that you always must be thanked
Science never wrong, it’s sacrosanct
You decide for all of us what’s best
While pinning medals on each other’s chest

Everything must go without a hitch
As long as you are certified a snitch
Turn them in for that must be their fate
They’re contagious—please don’t hesitate
When you’ve been the victim of the scam
You must believe in their holy plan
Shout for joy-a mandate by the state
All take your shots—for they will vaccinate
There are no corpses in the street
No one dead-you will ever meet
Things are getting worse you all agree
Just because you’ve heard it on TV

Now it’s time to grab your trusty mask
Put it on so you fulfill your tasks
Keep your six feet distance to the inch
Isolate, no contact, it’s a cinch!
All that’s happened doesn’t leave you blue
Despite the crazy things they make you do
What a shame you surely never knew
That you’ve been duped, missing all the clues

In China the pandemic was called real
The peoples’ liberty yes they did steal
Based upon the scientists’ cheap guess
There were surely no exhaustive tests!

All the sick and dying that you claim
Your reasons why they’re dying are quite lame
Sick for many years there’s always more
From pre-existing factors you ignore
When you’ve been the victim of the Scam
You will never try and understand
But maybe one day you’ll finally see
Time for all of us yes to be free
Time for all of us yes to be free


247930 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to 2 pence, 2, #179 of 1680 🔗

And it’s one two three what are we fighting for? Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn, next stop is Stasiland.

247269 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 20, #180 of 1680 🔗

Whilst i m sure, ultimately, it will mean a Starmer premiership and a second Scots ref, every day i can imagine the smile grow even more on Farage s face as he looks at the so called “Blue Wall” and how much damage say, 20% off every northern Tory MP , he will inflict on the moron Johnson.

247649 ▶▶ Adam, replying to nickbowes, 1, #181 of 1680 🔗

Wtf have we done to deserve Starmer as Premier

247722 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Adam, #182 of 1680 🔗

We voted for Johnson lol.

247941 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Borisbullshit, #183 of 1680 🔗

May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Wilson …

247271 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 36, #184 of 1680 🔗

According to a WH Smith’s member of staff at Charing X station yesterday, you can only touch the newspaper you intend to buy.
When I asked “why” and “can I catch CV from touching a newspaper” and “what’s the medical evidence” she adopted the Eichman defence:”I’m only saying what head office told me to say.”
I helpfully suggested that her head office should supply posters with this information. “Customers don’t read posters” and “there’s no room to put them up.”
“How about here”, I replied, “next to your other Covid posters”
Two other masked security staff listened to this exchange in case I kicked off and she needed help!

247291 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 15, #185 of 1680 🔗

Customers don’t read posters?mThen why is every town, every street, every shop, every pub… plastered with them?

247764 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to annie, 3, #186 of 1680 🔗

From my experience, customers do not read posters. Especially if you have a lot.
And after all these months, people who do read them are by now aware and won’t look to see a new one.
Most posters are to cover your arse.

247326 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 8, #187 of 1680 🔗

Is reading a newspaper on a train still a Covid Crime in Wales?

247366 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to karenovirus, 4, #188 of 1680 🔗

Hopefully-can’t think of anything more likely to infect the entire train.Acts as a catalyst to bypass muzzles.

247950 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #189 of 1680 🔗

Leaving it on your seat when you get off the train might be..

247425 ▶▶ Mr_taxpayer, replying to PatrickF, 11, #190 of 1680 🔗

My response to any “only obeying orders” functionary is “Warum mussem wir diese Juden erschiessen?”

The inevitable quizzical look, I answer with the English translation “Why must we shoot these Jews?” and tell the functionary over raised eyebrows “oh shut up and obey orders. It’s what head office wants”. If they still don’t get it, I have to tell them that their attitude is what helped kill 6 million Jews in the Holocaust.

247274 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #191 of 1680 🔗

Interesting paper ‘Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy’

Suggests SARS-CoV2 may have been circulating as far back as September 2019 in Italy

There are no robust data on the real onset of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection and spread in the prepandemic period worldwide. We investigated the presence of SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD)–specific antibodies in blood samples of 959 asymptomatic individuals enrolled in a prospective lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 to track the date of onset, frequency, and temporal and geographic variations across the Italian regions. SARS-CoV-2 RBD-specific antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy. This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. Finding SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in asymptomatic people before the COVID-19 outbreak in Italy may reshape the history of pandemic.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0300891620974755?journalCode=tmja&amp ;

247368 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #192 of 1680 🔗

Very interesting, there was already information from Spain for Covid in November. If we are back to September now, then it’s starting to lead back to those Whuan hospital pictures from that period and not January.

247397 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Leemc23, 8, #193 of 1680 🔗

Saw multiple patients with mild fever and a persistent cough lasting up to 6 weeks.
This was October/November last year.

This was not just my observation but my colleagues including GPs in their own practices.

Coinciding with the arrival of students from China at the end of September beginning of October.

This was in one university city in the midlands. It would be interesting to see if other areas had similar experiences this time last year.

247435 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to p02099003, 6, #194 of 1680 🔗

Just to add to this I had exactly that mild fever and cough last October, shortly after attending a weekend get-together at my old university, 50th anniversary of ‘going up’. There were people from all over Europe there, not sure if any from further afield though. I remember the cough very well, lasted a good month and at its worst was very like whooping cough (which i had as a child)

247487 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to p02099003, 3, #195 of 1680 🔗

We had fever and persistent cough here last year in early Nov to mid December. 3 out of 7 close family members had fever and cough, the rest of us had few or no symptoms.(small town in warwickshire)

247554 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to watashi, 11, #196 of 1680 🔗

I am considering putting in FOI requests to local acute hospitals for information regarding admissions for respiratory conditions for August to December 2019.

247702 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #197 of 1680 🔗

FOI request made to my local acute hospital. I await their response.

247610 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 1, #198 of 1680 🔗

Way before that, there were cold viruses generating nasty persistent coughs. Doh!

248039 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to p02099003, 5, #199 of 1680 🔗

p02099003 Yes. I worked closely in a poorly ventilated room with a group of Chinese research students for 3 days in October who had just arrived in the UK and also met some of their parents who had come over for tours of the new science facility. (West Midlands). Several were from Wuhan, and 1 was coughing a lot, but had no other symptoms. A week later developed a dry cough in the throat and had a raised temperature. On day 2 felt 102 with severe lethargy but the latter had worn off by the 4th day. Took paracetamol and carried on. Temperature back to normal on day 3, but repetitive dry cough in the throat lasted over a week. Some of the other staff experienced the same health issues and the personal cleaner for one of those individuals went down with the infection shortly afterwards and was pretty poorly for 2 weeks.

247436 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Freecumbria, 9, #200 of 1680 🔗

2018, Bresica, Lombardy, Northern Italy,

“We would like however to report on the strange pneumonia epidemic that occurred in and around Brescia in Lombardy (Italy) between September and November 2018. As you may know, that is also the first epicenter of the current “Covid” epidemic in Europe. Only this one happened slightly more than a year before. It was extremely peculiar, and was extensively covered by the local press. Here were its main characteristics (references will be found below).

Local hospitals were overwhelmed: over 850 people were admitted in a short time span, among which at least 10 died. Astonishingly, the patients affected were 70% male (does that remind you of anything ?). They were furthermore predominantly elderly, or with diseases that involve immunosuppression and/or other risk factors such as smoking. Children were barely affected ( still nothing? ). The patients that presented the most serious conditions suffered from respiratory distress and had to be put on ventilators .

Furthermore, health authorities at the time said this episode was unlike anything they had ever seen .


248025 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #201 of 1680 🔗

There were several journal articles published about a new viral infection that produced coughs, fevers and pneumonia like symptoms back in early December that were noted by doctors throughout China (not just the Wuhan province) and one of the USA states where a large group of people had returned from an event in Wuhan in October who were sick. They tested negative for flu, but retained samples were rechecked early in 2020 for SARS CoV-2 and were positive. There was also an article about some re-testing of swabs taken from people in France who had been admitted to hospital with an unknown flu type virus but which had originally tested negative for flu and the serum samples were positive for SARS-CoV-2 going back to the beginning of November 2019. Several epidemiologists, virologists and infectious disease specialists have reported that they believe this coronavirus was quietly circulating within and outside China since late summer 2019 or earlier. Unfortunately this pre-dates the time when I began noting links to sources of key information so I cannot provide them here for others to follow up. However, the New York Times and Washington Post apparently picked up on the information because if memory serves correctly they published accounts and raised concerns about a new virus that originated in China and named 2 of the doctors who had attended patients back in the autumn and reported their concerns to the Chinese authorities. (Both doctors had disappeared by the time WHO officials wanted to interview them).

248348 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #202 of 1680 🔗

This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified …

Surely this is to try to provide evidence that asymptomatic people are spreaders? Bhakdi said there was only one very feeble piece of supporting evidence.


247277 NoelGallagherseyebrow, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 50, #203 of 1680 🔗

Long time reader, first time poster. I’m traditionally a left leaning ‘do gooder’ but I’ve lost it completely with the craziness of supposedly intelligent people!

A local pub close to me threatened to open last week after having no response from the government over several concerns they had about the second lockdown (quelle surprise!). In the end they didn’t open.

Interestingly they posted an update for the first time in a week tonight which was a little ambiguous but mentioned something cryptic which I thought was interesting:

“We will keep this short;
our personal views on the situation have not changed, however, following the video on Thursday we were contacted by some very knowledgeable and inspirational people who gave us some invaluable advice. We are in this for the long game not the short and we want to ensure that anything we do from now on can be fully sustained.

There are a lot of things happening behind the scenes not just locally but by very influential people and next week very big things may come to fruition. ”

It was the suggestion that something is happening not just locally that heightened my interest. I wonder what that might be?

247285 ▶▶ Dan72, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 35, #204 of 1680 🔗

If businesses had any sense, they would get together and collectively reopen at the same time. I can’t see how the government could stop them.

247361 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dan72, 13, #205 of 1680 🔗

Reopen. Prices less VAT. Outlaw business surely can’t be considered to be VAT applicable. Indeed if the annual revenue is so low does VAT apply ?

247287 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 10, #206 of 1680 🔗

Welcome to the discussion. I like your name.

247288 ▶▶ annie, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 8, #207 of 1680 🔗

Welcome, Noel! Do keep us posted about your pub!

247310 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 13, #208 of 1680 🔗

Just checked on Face-ache. Yes, it’s the same pub where I had a wonderful birthday meal a couple of weeks ago. We phoned up to see if they had re-opened, as we wanted to support them again.
Welcome, NGE-love the name! Glad to know that you don’t live too far away from me.

247329 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 4, #209 of 1680 🔗

Welcome, what was the video on Thursday?

247341 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 6, #210 of 1680 🔗

Hopefully a Revolution with pitchforks!

247279 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 6, #211 of 1680 🔗

The battle for Johnson’s R soul.

247282 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to PatrickF, 7, #212 of 1680 🔗

In Princess NutNuts purse, along with Bojos balls

247344 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Chris John, 8, #213 of 1680 🔗

There is nothing so pitiful as a hen pecked man. Bozo needs to stand in our shoes to gauge the contempt we feel for him.

248356 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #215 of 1680 🔗

Baker said he thinks the vaccine will save us. Be very wary!

247284 steph, replying to steph, 20, #216 of 1680 🔗

Carrie Symonds is 32. How can she possibly have “years of experience” in anything?
Fair enough to chat things over with the other half as we all do but that should be where it stops. They had better not be secret matters that she has no more right to know than any other citizen.
Having said that I’m so glad Dom has gone if he was pushing for strict lockdowns. Maybe we will see things relax a little, although we need them to relax a lot.

247290 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steph, 14, #217 of 1680 🔗

Until SAGE is dismantled and/or Hancock goes, things remain the same.

247292 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to steph, 23, #218 of 1680 🔗

reminds me of the BS kids put on their CVs these days. “Highly experienced rainmaker and change architect. Expertise in imagination engineering. Age 19, living at home. Interests: developing my influencer base”
i never read past the first intro summary…just press delete.

247305 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 29, #219 of 1680 🔗

So agree. But, apparently, they are told at school that their cvs should be like this. I’ve seen three page jobs from 16 year olds and whenever they say how wonderful they are, I lose interest. I always tell staff that their cvs should be no longer than a page long.

One of my best employees was a young woman who when she arrived for her interview, I said I would be with her shortly (I was in the middle of some task or other) and she asked if I needed a hand. I decided there and then she’d got the job. We are still friends.

247332 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to kh1485, 10, #220 of 1680 🔗

Education education education. Worked well didn’t it?

247362 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 11, #221 of 1680 🔗

Almost masterful by Bliar. He was focused on lowering the unemployment figures but pushing as many students to University education. However they had to fiddle the exams to enable their plan to work which resulted in thousands of students with worthless degrees and saddled with debts.

247410 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #222 of 1680 🔗

Exactly. I think though that the rot set in before that. I went to a bog-standard comprehensive in the 70s (y ou know the ones that MPs advocate for the plebs while sending their own little darlings somewhere decent). I wasn’t academically gifted but I did want to learn. I couldn’t do so because the trouble-makers ruined any chance of that. I had a wonderful French teacher (I think she was Polish) and the poor woman was continually prevented from teaching anything by thuggish trouble-makers (and that was just the girls).

247452 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to kh1485, 6, #223 of 1680 🔗

My secondary comprehensive schooling I received during the 1980s was shockingly bad , a combination of Thatcher and the Marxist teaching unions doing their very best to ruin working class children’s education .

247540 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Christopher, 2, #224 of 1680 🔗

I passed my 11 plus to get into the Grammar school but by the time I got there it had been turned into a second class modern by, as it happens, one Jeremy Corbyn.

247621 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Christopher, #225 of 1680 🔗

For information : the teacher unions were never ‘Marxist’, and a majority of teachers voted conservative at that time.

247725 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #226 of 1680 🔗

Thats very true.

247417 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #227 of 1680 🔗

It worked better than that because it gave them 3 years in which to complete the Marxist indoctrination.

247627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #228 of 1680 🔗


247617 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 4, #229 of 1680 🔗

Well – it never happened. The actuality was ‘training, training, training’ for compliance.

That did work well.

248493 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to RickH, #230 of 1680 🔗

Very good. The penny just dropped.

247295 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to steph, 31, #231 of 1680 🔗

I have often wondered whether Carrie is part of a mid-life crisis for Boris. Did a 55 year old man really PLAN to have a new baby to add to his grown-up brood, after such a strenuous year: the battle over Brexit, a leadership contest, followed by a general election? Was an engagement announced to make the whole thing acceptable to elderly, grass roots tories? Is Carrie a high maintenance partner?
I’m just not convinced by this relationship and totally agree with what you say, Steph.

247299 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Margaret, 22, #232 of 1680 🔗

Exactly. That in itself evidences decision-making of the absolute piss poorest variety. You would have to be a loon to have another baby at his age and with his circumstances.

247304 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #233 of 1680 🔗

What makes you think he had any say?

247306 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ossettian, 6, #234 of 1680 🔗

He could’ve double bagged.

247367 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ossettian, 3, #235 of 1680 🔗

Exactly, I bet it came as a shock to him too.

247315 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Margaret, 13, #236 of 1680 🔗

I have wondered, rather mischievously, if the ban on weddings isn’t rather a convenience for him. Kicking the can down the road as it were.

247370 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steph, 1, #237 of 1680 🔗

I came to the same conclusion.

247319 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Margaret, 5, #238 of 1680 🔗

Mid-life crisis? Nah, it started round about Day 1 and will doubtless continue till he reaches his Final Destination!

247365 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Margaret, 7, #239 of 1680 🔗

We know why she chose him, he’s easily manipulated.

247632 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #240 of 1680 🔗

his brains (if he has any) are in his underpants!!

247968 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sue, 1, #241 of 1680 🔗

Like Clinton.

247335 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steph, 5, #242 of 1680 🔗

She’s independently something of a high flyer in Tory communications, she has got all the MPs phone numbers and they have hers to use as a back channel to bozo.

248361 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Margaret, #244 of 1680 🔗

That’s appalling!

247377 ▶▶ CGL, replying to steph, 5, #245 of 1680 🔗

That’s how I feel about my fluffy young public-school – no clue about how the plebs lead their lives. No – Conservatives are irrelevant now.

247413 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 2, #246 of 1680 🔗

fluffy young public-school MP btw – sorry

247561 ▶▶ D B, replying to steph, 5, #247 of 1680 🔗

I’m 26 but have 8 years experience and a degree in my field, so it is possible to be young and experienced.

247777 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to D B, 5, #248 of 1680 🔗

28 here with 10 years experience and various qualifications in my field. Once you reach a certain level of competence, the number of years spent doing something compared with somebody else becomes far less relevant. At this point your skill is what counts.

It is possible to have 40 years experience of doing something very badly, I have seen this far too often.

Still strongly dislike Ms Symonds though!

247961 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to D B, 4, #249 of 1680 🔗

Yes – you’re right – it is certainly possible. I think it depends what job you are doing as to whether the learned knowledge from the academic qualifications, or the experience counts more, or in equal measure.

My OH is a senior design engineer. I am pretty sure that he would value your experience equally to your qualification, provided that your work and work ethic were up to the same standard. He started on the drawing boards, before CAD days, way back when he was 16. He worked as an apprentice, and went to college in the evenings to get an HNC – no degree. He now has 35 years experience, and oversees 5 other design engineers. He doesn’t find many people who have the same amount of knowledge that he now has. I think he would far rather take someone on who has proven and good experience, either with or without a degree. He has come across many interviewees and co-workers who deem that their degree alone, means that they are worthy of a high position, or that they already know everything, and they rarely do.

For a politician, I would think that life experience is much more important – it is very hard for me to see that someone in their 20’s or even early 30’s these days, could have possibly learned enough from life to understand the sorts of problems their constituents may face.

247628 ▶▶ Sue, replying to steph, 3, #250 of 1680 🔗

surely Boris discussing matters of state to his other half is contravening the official secrets act. It is unacceptable for a partner to be influencing matters of state!!

247286 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 18, #251 of 1680 🔗

Peter Hitchens with a cracker today. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8949379/PETER-HITCHENS-panicking-Prime-Minister-bankrupting-Britain.html
Nothing new, but his cogent style summarises the tsunami of Grieg hitting soon. Don’t read it unless you’re prepared to get angry(er).

247307 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #252 of 1680 🔗

Oops. I meant grief…

247317 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #253 of 1680 🔗

Yes, but his blog does it without all the irritating DM stuff!


247333 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to IanE, #254 of 1680 🔗

Good point.

247384 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 12, #255 of 1680 🔗
247408 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 1, #256 of 1680 🔗

That about says it all.

And btw here’s a gif that goes with the #Wobble thread from yesterday:-
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247476 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #257 of 1680 🔗

Why the downtick? – nothing to do with the pic above. Maybe that wasn’t very clear.
Was in reply to Sarigan re something from yesterday about the #Wibble movement (our opposites, but not our equals) –

Our adversaries – https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=148413636993386&id=111076047393812
The sheeple flock here apparently. They think we’re the nuts ones

A 2-second reading of the comments on there suggest most can’t understand the difference between lockdown scepticism and covid ‘denial’. #Wibble indeed, that’s probably about the level of their argument.

I’ve been wibbeled on a close the schools Facebook group. Think I was pointing out that Sweden gave a message of hope and we should be rooting for their approach. I have left now, such people are lost.

Reply with #wobble (of the bottom lip variety)

247440 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Sarigan, 3, #258 of 1680 🔗


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247443 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #259 of 1680 🔗

I have nightmares like this

247461 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to CGL, 1, #260 of 1680 🔗

It’s not easy to see oneself surrounded by millions of those and trying to navigate as far as possible!

247456 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Sarigan, 5, #261 of 1680 🔗

The “CUVID” (CU=ASS) wave is too big!

I would make it smaller like this…

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247546 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Sarigan, 3, #262 of 1680 🔗

That’s excellent. Going to forward that everywhere.

247971 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #263 of 1680 🔗

Grieg’s March of the Trolls?

247289 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 11, #264 of 1680 🔗

“Surely it is in the Prime Minister’s interest that he hears from a range of people.” Oh, the irony.

247533 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bugle, 6, #265 of 1680 🔗

What they mean is ” A bunch of gobby wimmin like us.”
(I speak as a woman).

247297 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 24, #266 of 1680 🔗

Vaccination anxiety is starting to creep in. I don’t know whether the best approach is to not engage in these discussions at all then call the govt’s bluff. I can’t see them setting up an apartheid two tier state personally but you never know. Alternatively fight it with every sinew.

247321 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tom Blackburn, 20, #267 of 1680 🔗

Since I’m in the last-to-get-the-jab group I’m leaning towards the former. I reckon that by the time it comes round to me there’s a good chance something will have happened to put the skids under the while project.

247382 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to mattghg, 3, #268 of 1680 🔗

I’m not quite last, but still playing for time – still anxious though

247485 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to mattghg, 7, #269 of 1680 🔗

Same. As a white female in my early 40s with no health problems I’m glad to say that I’ll be at the back of the queue. By the time they get to me I’m hoping the hysteria will have calmed down and / or any problems with the vaccine will have been made apparent.

247614 ▶▶▶ Judymilne, replying to mattghg, 4, #270 of 1680 🔗

To msttghg, unfortunately i’m fairly near the top of the pile, but I’ll happily donate my jab to Gates

247331 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #271 of 1680 🔗


Vaccine rumours debunked – today’s offering from the Beeb

this is going to be the latest mainstream media (and tech giants’) big thrust over the coming months. It covers: Bill Gates and microchip claims, Altered DNA claims, and Side effect claims.

248387 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 1, #272 of 1680 🔗

Must be true then!

247340 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #273 of 1680 🔗

I am certain that vaccination is a rabbit hole. We have to maintain the focus on lockdown and let the vaccine scepticism grow organically. Focus on ending lockdown and let the vaccination issue look after itself. Personally I think we should be concentrating all our efforts on the weakness of the tests. Please can Toby or Will post a link able article by Dr Clare!!!

247302 mhcp, 9, #274 of 1680 🔗

The better Feynman quote is when it comes to science (and life):

““The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”
But my favourite is Thomas Huxley:

“The great tragedy of science – the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact”

Facts don’t just come as data. They come as logic.

247349 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #276 of 1680 🔗

I was hoping to read something there from Carl and Tom about whether and how many of those positive tests in hospital translated into patients needing treatment for covid. I know they have made clear before that the information is not available to them, but raising the question again seems important. They conclude that the problem will be with us for a long time, but what are the parameters of that problem as far as the risk to patients?

247309 Wayne Keogh, replying to Wayne Keogh, 13, #278 of 1680 🔗

Good morning everyone, the Covid19 perception deception is discussed in this video https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE
and is a must watch, Professor Sucharit Bhakdi is fantastic – please forward to as many as you can.

247398 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Wayne Keogh, 9, #279 of 1680 🔗

He is absolutely sublime. What a lovely man.

247322 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 17, #280 of 1680 🔗

No one voted for Symonds and her socialist friends yet she is pulling the strings. Bozo continues to look like a hen pecked wuss!

247353 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #281 of 1680 🔗

Ah yes but he gets a nice shag every night!

247357 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to William Hand, 4, #282 of 1680 🔗

Typos there? ‘Snide hag’, perhaps?

247733 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to William Hand, 2, #283 of 1680 🔗

With the aid of the blue tablets no doubt at his time of life. He must still be permanently knackered though. Thats the problem with old man young woman relationships. They might work on the money/power front but they fail in the physical sphere.

247977 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #284 of 1680 🔗

9 months of pregnancy followed by giving birth and a baby at breast is not conducive to nightly sex, I think you may one day discover.

247369 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #285 of 1680 🔗

No-one voted for Wittery and his bunch, either.

247323 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 33, #286 of 1680 🔗

Boris was either bounced into Lockdown 2.0 or he did it in his own right, callous and demonic.

Either way he remains a Covid Nazi and no Nuremberg Tribunal will wash away the blood on his hands.

247336 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Stuart, 22, #287 of 1680 🔗

Agree! DePiffle is the PM. It’s his bloody job and the buck stops there.

247448 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Stuart, 4, #288 of 1680 🔗

bounced into lockdown -like virtually all other countries in Europe???

247734 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Stuart, #289 of 1680 🔗

Either way he still looks a plonker.

247325 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #290 of 1680 🔗

So the brain damaged pig dictator and Princess Nut Nut defeat the forces of darkness and live happily ever after

However my model (Swedish seeing as you ask) is predicting a loss of about 500,000 during and extremely unpleasant divorcedemic

247337 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 4, #291 of 1680 🔗

“So the brain damaged pig dictator and Princess Nut Nut”— this is priceless Cecil 👍🏼 🦙

247512 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #292 of 1680 🔗

Bj making a fuss about her being called Princess Nut Nut is a bit of a Streisand effect. Now we all know and use the term.

247453 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cecil B, 3, #293 of 1680 🔗

Johnson should have got himself a Swedish model instead of Carrie.

247739 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to calchas, 1, #294 of 1680 🔗

A volvo maybe?

247981 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to calchas, 1, #295 of 1680 🔗

Yes and an avid supporter of the Swedish strategy for dealing with Covid, then maybe we would be in with a chance of getting him to change his current course!

247334 Ovis, 15, #296 of 1680 🔗

UK collusion in rigging the US election for the Democratic Party candidate. Just like last time. If this fails to come off for Biden, there will have to be a change of personnel on our side of the pond as well.

247339 Julian, replying to Julian, 24, #297 of 1680 🔗

Regarding the Covid Recovery Group ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID_Recovery_Group ). I hope the growing membership numbers (now at over 70 apparently, though I would like to see a list of names) is a good thing for us.

In the short term I think it is the only thing (with the possible exception of the Dolan case) that is going to improve things, because they are the only ones with any power to rein in the PM.

That said, unless they mount a leadership challenge, the PM can just use Labour votes if he needs them. They may need to hold him to ransom on other legislation.

The danger is that they are far too accepting of the narrative and will push vaccination, mass testing and masks, while lifting some of the direct restrictions on businesses, and then declare job done. Maybe it is better for the people to be pushed to boiling point by months of draconian restrictions to realise they have been had. Trouble is I am not sure they would.

I would take issue with this part of today’s above the line post:

merely opposing an extension of the second lockdown – or, God forbid, the imposition of a third one – isn’t enough? The group must make it clear to Boris that plunging us back into Tier three on December 3rd would be unacceptable too.

1) It’s not a second lockdown, it is the continuation of the first
2) Plunging us back into Tier ONE would be unacceptable

247356 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 11, #298 of 1680 🔗

I agree. They do have a worry about loss of liberty primarily, especially when the justification for it are weak at best. However, they need to go further, like the BMJ has done now and call out the corruption or conflicts between Pharma, SAGE and government. That cabal is pushing much of the mass compulsory vaccination zealously.

Any help in Parliament is worth welcoming.

Hopefully their idea of liberty stretches to what people are allowed to strap to their face.

247407 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #299 of 1680 🔗

Then perhaps the BMJ should have facilitated the publication of the Danish mask study.

247380 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 6, #300 of 1680 🔗

Are these the same group of MPs that voted for more restrictions only a couple of weeks ago. Also renewal of the Covid Act and extension of furlough. Were they all bounced into it too. Or am I mistaken?

247390 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #301 of 1680 🔗

Some of them will have been, yes. Not all. I don’t think there’s anything wrong per se with people changing their mind, but I’d want to see some quite positive noises from them to reassure me they were “sound”.

247747 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Julian, 2, #302 of 1680 🔗

They have probably adopted a ‘sceptics lite’ narrative to try and entice waverers to join them even those who voted for second lockdown. Its a high risk strategy as all Johnson needs to say is ‘well some of you voted for the lockdown’. Its the age old political dilemma of how much you can water down your position before it becomes completely corrupted.

247865 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #303 of 1680 🔗

Indeed. Given that anything even vaguely anti-lockdown has until recently been excluded from the mainstream and characterised as crackpot, having a largeish group means it is much harder to ignore. With any luck they will get people used to the idea that there has been a huge overreaction and create the space for a more comprehensive winding back.

The underlying lessons may however never be learned.

247404 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #304 of 1680 🔗

Yes. Our MP was one of them. I wrote several times before the vote, as I’m sure many others did, reminding her that people will suffer or even die. She voted for it anyway.
Now she’s joined the ‘recovery group’. Is this hypocrisy, or what?

247454 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #305 of 1680 🔗

Not sure that renewing the covid act made much difference, aren’t the governments powers all coming from the much older public health act? Lord Sumption talks about it in his brilliant lecture

247411 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 1, #306 of 1680 🔗

Lenin and Trotsky would have agreed that to make a successful revolution things have to get as bad as possible before launching one, that is why they disapproved of Social Democrats.

247343 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 41, #307 of 1680 🔗

Peter Hitchens sums the situation up pefectly;

“The great American writer H. L. Mencken said that the proper relationship between newspapers and government was the same as that between a dog and a lamp-post. In fiction, the cinema and (to some extent) in real life, journalists uncover the wrongdoing of authority, and reveal the truth.
But in recent years a very strange thing has happened to my trade. More and more journalists seem happy to be the mouthpieces of government, or of political parties. Worse, they attack other journalists for refusing to fall into step with the official line.”

247402 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 13, #308 of 1680 🔗

Because virtually the entire MSM have been bought by ongoing tsunamis of Covid propaganda advertising from HMG.

247596 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to karenovirus, 6, #309 of 1680 🔗

True but a great number have been bought for many years by Press barons who only tolerate views that are in their interests.

247345 JustMe, replying to JustMe, 7, #310 of 1680 🔗

Today’s running order ( the sequence of the headlines , with the first two items being about Number 10) are just WRONG , paricularly with the BBC’s 09:00 news majoring on Labour’s proposal to make anti-vax views illegal .

247393 ▶▶ CGL, replying to JustMe, 6, #311 of 1680 🔗

I just saw the interview with the Shadow-whatever minister. Not a pleasant start to the morning. Dissent being threatened with cancelling – again!
Another mountain for the Free Speech Union to climb I fear.

247399 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JustMe, 2, #312 of 1680 🔗

Any of us can see what the BBC has to say, the first two items reflect the authors insider knowledge.

247584 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to karenovirus, 1, #313 of 1680 🔗

It is a distraction from the actual issues and it could be about as accurate as a PCR test.

247992 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jb12, 1, #314 of 1680 🔗

It is a dictatorship of the elites.

247503 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to JustMe, 1, #315 of 1680 🔗

I felt the same way, JustMe. Maybe Toby has sceptic-fatigue and has retreated to parliamentary gossip such as you can find anywhere in the media this morning. Disappointing.

247346 Ewan Duffy, 2, #316 of 1680 🔗


It struck me that all that would have to be done to this music video to make it appropriate to the times is CGI a mask on all of the participants.

247348 TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #317 of 1680 🔗

I’ve just happened upon this poem:

Much Madness is divinest Sense –
To a discerning Eye –
Much Sense – the starkest Madness –
’Tis the Majority
In this, as all, prevail –
Assent – and you are sane –
Demur – you’re straightway dangerous –
And handled with a Chain –

(Emily Dickinson)

Sometimes life gives us serendipitous gifts.
Let’s all keep demurring!

247363 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 6, #319 of 1680 🔗

Always thought the story goes some way to explaining modern art too.

247429 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #320 of 1680 🔗

Agreed – I can’t draw a stick man – always feel if I can look at something and think ‘I could do that’, then to me it can’t constitute art. A painting that has perspective and depth, light and shade, colours that I hadn’t noticed were there, or looks like it could be a photograph – something I couldn’t do in a million years – to me that’s art.
It’s purely subjective though – each to their own.

247354 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #321 of 1680 🔗

Is Piers Corbyn speaking in Newport today. If so what time and location

247615 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #322 of 1680 🔗

Doubt he’s out of clink yet.

247355 jim j, replying to jim j, 11, #323 of 1680 🔗

Sky Sophy Ridge asking specifically statistical questions of the head of the ONS, who answers not in numbers but with his political point of view.
Why doesn’t everyone just stick to their day job?!

247375 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to jim j, 4, #324 of 1680 🔗

Tell James Forsyth in this week’s Spectator (Boris’s Booster Shot). Full of misleading government propaganda from the political editor.

247389 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Neil Hartley, 8, #325 of 1680 🔗

The Spectator has been a huge, huge disappointment (JD and TY excepted)

They still publish articles from that creep Peston

Stopped my subscription in May

247394 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jim j, #326 of 1680 🔗

Yes like ‘statistician’ ferguson pontificating about government health policy.

247463 ▶▶ calchas, replying to jim j, #327 of 1680 🔗

Perhapis in order to keep his day job he is not allowed to do his day job.

247364 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 9, #328 of 1680 🔗

Good article in the BMJ.
Was this the same BMJ that declined to publish the Danish Face Mask study?

247376 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Banjones, 5, #329 of 1680 🔗

No it was the Lancet amongst others.

247372 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 14, #330 of 1680 🔗

If you’ve not seen Sucharit Bhakdi’s interview on Trigger Nometry https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE it’s definitely worth watching. Especially when asked if he’ll be taking a vaccine for C-19 (a bit fat no, do you think I’m crazy?).

But the future is very gloomy. Soon we won’t be able to travel, go to theatre, football or even a restaurant without our health passport (proof of vaccination, negative test etc.) and it won’t stop with C-19. Any semblance of a life worth living will be dependent on risking taking a vaccine that has more chance of harming you than C-19.

Very depressing Sunday morning.

247379 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Neil Hartley, 14, #331 of 1680 🔗

I felt like that for a couple of days after the Pfzier announcement. But as the panic and excitement has subdued there has been much more balanced assessment this week. Especially the burn out numbers seen across Europe and in Liverpool. They can’t sustain it long enough. Also the BMJ article. Health professionals will not be forced to take the vax.

247383 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #332 of 1680 🔗

I hope you’re right…

247385 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #333 of 1680 🔗

I agree. The wheels are coming off. No way will the public put up with forced vaccination and health passports. It just won’t happen

247405 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steph, 19, #334 of 1680 🔗

I wouldn’t rely on the public to resist anything if the last 8 months are anything to go by.

247437 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #335 of 1680 🔗

That’s what worries me. A year ago, if you had said that the public would have acquiesced to such a degree, I would have not believed it. The enthusiasm with which people have squandered their essential liberty has been staggering.

My song suggestion back in April was I Predict a Riot . I really misjudged that …

247494 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 7, #336 of 1680 🔗

When The Kaiser Chiefs did their zoom concert back in April it made me want to puke.

“I predict a riot” will never sound the same again. I predict a totally brainwashed cowardly supine obedient load of sheep to roll over and have their throats cut more like it.

247582 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 3, #337 of 1680 🔗

I never liked them, I just thought that it might be an apt song but, as I say, I completely mis-judged how supine the British public would be.

247769 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #338 of 1680 🔗

Yes my faith in the public has long gone. The blitz spirit is long dead.

247972 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #339 of 1680 🔗

Not in my house it isn’t

248176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #340 of 1680 🔗

See Liverpool demo yesterday…

247391 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #341 of 1680 🔗

Theatre Reception
” have you got your Health Passport please sir?”

‘I don’t need one young lady I’m a Health Professional’.

“Oh sorry sir, in you go then”.

Can’t see that working.

247401 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 5, #342 of 1680 🔗

Here’s a scenario. A single doctor or nurse is being coerced and they become a lightening rod for the whole debate. I don’t think you’ll find many Karens being vocal about forcing that person to take a drug. Bring it on I say.

247671 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to karenovirus, 2, #343 of 1680 🔗

precisely – I can’t see that scenario working very well. I bet other ‘gov’ establishments will request avoidance from the vaccine eg army, civil serpants etc that will make it a joke. Also black market for fake nhs ids!!

247663 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #344 of 1680 🔗

so if health professional are not ‘forced’ to take the vaccine – they cannot force the general public either!
Personally i think the gov have demonstrated such incompetence in all this, that will extend to the vaccine and ongoing shots and passports etc (i hope!)

247763 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Neil Hartley, 4, #345 of 1680 🔗

I remember when Dave Cullen had videos saying all that months ago and people on here berated him for being a conspiracy theorist! It seems that yesterday’s conspiracy theory is tomorrow’s ugly reality.

248016 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #346 of 1680 🔗

Yep. We have three obvious 77th Brigade trolls running hostile dogpiling ops over in the forums section right now, who all appeared as soon as the Pfizer Saviour Potion was announced, and a few sceptical threads dared to spring up.

All of them run with the false narrative accusation that people questioning the purpose, necessity, and efficacy of such a vaccine are full-on anti-vaxx idiot science deniers.

Nothing of obvious goodness or utility needs this level of psi-op information warfare. I conclude this whole thing is evil and not to be trusted.

247373 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #347 of 1680 🔗

Sorry to hear Hector Drummond has called time on the blog. It is an amazing source of info. Maybe Toby can reach out and ask his contributors to migrate to LS? It is of very high quality.

247378 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #348 of 1680 🔗

It was that site which highlighted ONS week 13 fewer all-deaths in London than the 5 year average which marked the end of the road for the Covid.

248550 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #349 of 1680 🔗

Hector suggested it in his last post.

247374 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #350 of 1680 🔗

Just got from a friend who is trying to get his local council to stop this nonsense:

Surely someone looks into the data at council level mind my mates a councillor and they get £6000 a year and to be honest not interested as I have tried talking to him and he isn’t prepared to pick up the mantle “

So take the money, do nothing.

247381 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #351 of 1680 🔗

All you puffed up with their own self importance.
My council decided it was worthwhile switching on the Xmas lights in the deserted High Street and Security barred Shopping Centre last week.

247386 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 3, #352 of 1680 🔗

Always been a waste of money.

247850 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #353 of 1680 🔗

I have a friend (now ex friend) in the Local Council. He won’t speak out at all. I tackled him and he said he is ‘just performing the role of councillor’. So he is spending his time dealing with ‘anti social behaviour’ and bin collections whilst the country drifts into a dictatorship.

247387 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #354 of 1680 🔗

Anyone else doing video calls/conferencing and this from someone working from home?

Call opened, woman sitting there in bobble hat and dressing gown with her pyjamas underneath – this was the person from the company who was giving me the “glad you have the contract with us, look forward to working with you etc etc, we’re professional and expect you to be the same blah blah blah”.

I’m surprised that I managed to keep a straight face and not say something but I did get in “it must be cold down there in the South where you are, you have a woolly hat on” and she replied it is her security blanket as she’s not had her hair done in weeks and doesn’t want it on show but her nails were doing OK and she showed me them.

If I was back in my big boss days (glad I’m not and glad I worked mostly overseas in 3rd world remote back of beyond places no-one else wanted to go to and not in nampy-pampy touchy-feely UK/EU) she’d be getting a written warning for conduct unbecoming the company this morning.

247447 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #355 of 1680 🔗

We’ve always been a jeans & t-shirts kind of firm but we’d draw the line at appearing in a woolly hat, especially in front of customers or suppliers.

So far from what I have seen people have managed to actually get dressed in the morning

247495 ▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #356 of 1680 🔗

Hubby is a partner in a large law firm. One of the other partners had a zoom call with high profile government official in Middle East. Apparently he was lying on his sofa with an oversized washed out t-shirt and bagging trackie bottoms on!

247496 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to Ellis Bell, #357 of 1680 🔗

the partner, that is, not the govt. official.

247951 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Ellis Bell, 1, #358 of 1680 🔗

Deserves a disciplinary for that.

247388 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 42, #359 of 1680 🔗

‘In Tim’s telling, the conflict between Dominic Cummings and Lee Cain on the one hand, and Allegra Stratton and Carrie Symonds on the other, is a battle for Boris’s soul. What kind of Prime Minister is he going to be?’

This is bizarre and absurd. Someone, for the love of all that is holy, help me out here. How the hell can there be a ‘conflict’ between those Johnson has hired as part of his team and his moronic bird, who *isn’t* part of his team (though unofficially the bint’s clearly a big player – what a pathetic and depressing sentence)?

I know Johnson’s an incompetent prat, and I know he’s too much of a wimp to keep his woman in line, but he isn’t running a burger van here. This isn’t a situation where his woman can suggest what type of sauce ought to be on offer for the customers to put on their burgers. Johnson’s supposed to be running the country.

This charlatan ought to be removed from office. He’s beyond a joke. And when the next Prime Minister is installed I don’t want to hear a bloody word from his/her girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband. I don’t even want to know their bloody name.

This stupidity/childishness has to stop. This isn’t The Only Way is Essex, or some other tedious, mind-numbing nonsense, where gossip and back-stabbing can replace rational government. Good grief.

247450 ▶▶ Julian, replying to common conservative, -1, #360 of 1680 🔗

It’s a joke but not uncommon. Were there not a lot of rumours about Trump being influenced by Melania and others in the family?

247522 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Julian, 10, #361 of 1680 🔗

I’d be somewhat surprised if that were the case, but then there are very few real men running countries in the West. Look at Canada and the utter fairy pretending to run that country. Good grief. A bit of eyeshadow and it’s a woman! A more feminine heterosexual man I have not seen.

It’s symptomatic of the general decline of nations in the West.

248242 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to common conservative, 1, #362 of 1680 🔗

Do let us know your recipe for ‘keeping a woman in line’?

248314 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Sylvie, 1, #363 of 1680 🔗

Please see the context in which I made that comment, Sylvie,

248689 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to common conservative, -1, #364 of 1680 🔗

Oh right, let me re-phrase that for you to give it your context: ‘ Do let us know your recipe for ‘keeping a moronic bint in line’?

248967 ▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Sylvie, #365 of 1680 🔗

Okay, so you’re dull-witted. I’m afraid you’re in the wrong place, dear.

247400 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #366 of 1680 🔗

FBI had quite a lot to do with the tragedy of ‘the tragic Waco siege’.

247513 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #367 of 1680 🔗

Wasn’t it more to do with the ATF?

247403 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 7, #368 of 1680 🔗

Watching Marr, hoping the narrative is changing, that will be a no then. He’s had as a guest one of the only people to benefit from our current situation – Gordon Brown. He’s free to show his face again now that Johnson has ensured that he’s no longer the worse Prime Minister in living memory…… I’ve got March in the ‘when will Johnson be ditched’ sweepstake at work, beware the ides.

247421 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Mike Collins, 13, #369 of 1680 🔗

Cameron was worse than Brown and May worse than Cameron. Boris truly is at the bottom of a very inept pile.

247446 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Neil Hartley, 11, #370 of 1680 🔗

The PM has to be the worst ever. To be fair to him, others given the same opportunity would have been as bad, but he has seized it with both hands. What other PM has waged war on his own people to such destructive effect?

247557 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Julian, 6, #371 of 1680 🔗

Johnson is the worst. It’s not just lockdown. He’s reneged on almost everything. I voted for him, and hate myself for it. I’ll never vote for his party again either. Can’t stand the sight nor sound of him. Deep breath Ll-Rex…move on…relax.

248041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #372 of 1680 🔗

Exactly how I feel…wonder if there are many of us? I no longer care if Labour get in (speaking as an ex Labour Party member). I dont see how they can be any worse than this lot. Its a shit show whoever gets in.

247406 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #373 of 1680 🔗

Does anyone have the picture of Bill Gates arriving at DS10 on Nov 10 wearing a mask?

Are Children Being Deprived of Real World, Physical Experiences?

If they are it’s the “parents” fault. I guess they aren’t “their” children after all…

247434 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #374 of 1680 🔗

As a parent trying to protect my children from the government and its collaborators it is easier said then done particularly as 99% of the British people seem to have transformed into hostile masked zombies who seem to be more then happy to throw children under the bus to try and save the mythical granny – well actually I doubt they care about anyone but themselves.

247467 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #375 of 1680 🔗

Of course they don’t – the government propaganda about the masks protecting others effectively just gave them a verbal mask so they could pretend they weren’t selfish

247499 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to CGL, 4, #376 of 1680 🔗

For instance if my mask protects me then it doesn’t matter if no one else is wearing one.If my mask doesn’t but you wearing one protects me then they make non masking anti social and ensure mass compliance and community self policing.Evil Genius.

247822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -1, #377 of 1680 🔗

Genius indeed. I also live now in a Plantation where mandatory use of mask (the law doesn’t specify which mask type it is, so I can use a carnival mask!) but I never wear one, and till today no other slave said anything. If one does I’ll just say “I’ve a small knife in my pocket. Do you want me to lend it to you so you can cut your wrists?”…

248043 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to CGL, 2, #378 of 1680 🔗

Those who wear them alone in their cars are really caring about others!

248147 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #379 of 1680 🔗

Many are also worried about their dog, out on a walk masked with not another human soul in sight…

247409 guy153, replying to guy153, 5, #380 of 1680 🔗

Interesting claim of 11% SARS2-specific antibodies in Italy in September 2019:


We can only see the abstract unless we want to fork out $41.

It says “prospective lung cancer patients”, so maybe there is some selection bias– they might have had a cough or some reasons to think there was something wrong with their lungs.

If you find 11% in September 2019 (when there were no NPIs anyway, not that NPIs make much difference in most places), whatever that was an epidemic of, it would have been all over by December that year.

One can speculate that “Patient 0” for SARS2 might have been super-spreading his way around shops and public spaces towards the end of last year. But 11% antibodies is not the first sparks of something that might take a month or two to get going. It’s a raging inferno.

I suspect one of the other HCoVs and their test isn’t as specific as they think, or perhaps a mystery unknown HCoV (SARS 1.5) which is more closely related to SARS2.

247428 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to guy153, 2, #381 of 1680 🔗

No one cares about that!

No one cares that PCR is not a test!

No one cares that till this day there is still no scientific evidence that that piece of RNA is indeed an infectious viral particle, capable of causing a disease and eventually kill the weak host!

No one cares that the FAKE “tests” have primers 100% equal to Chromosome 8 of the animal Homo sapiens…

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No one cares about the old folks & gals being murdered in the XXI century slaughter houses labelled “care homes”!


So… yeah! Good luck with that.

247541 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to guy153, 1, #382 of 1680 🔗

Guy, we discussed ‘SARS 1.5’ a few months ago after the Spanish study implied SARS 2 was in waste water off the coast of Barcelona in March 2019. My theory then, and now is that there was a widely circulating ‘SARS 1.5’ in Beijing and/or Shanghai in Q1 2019, and it arrived in Spain (and possibly elsewhere) as a result of international conferences and tourism. The Chinese authorities knew about this, and set to work trying to develop a vaccine in its top lab (Wuhan) with the view it would be ready for the Chinese winter in Q3/Q4 2019. The vaccine was related to SARS 1.5. Somehow it got out as the mutated SARS 2 – there is conjecture whether SARS 2 has 4 HIV-type inserts with scientific arguments on both sides. SARS 1.5 causes a pretty nasty cough, but little else. SARS 2 has a wider set of afflictions, some of which are deadly in certain age groups and co-morbidities.

247862 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #383 of 1680 🔗

SARS1.5 is an interesting possibility. If it was endemic it would also account for some of the cross immunity. But wouldn’t we have found it by now? Well possibly not as it might be at low levels.

Most ways of making vaccines do not have any way of botching them in such a way that you end up with a new viable virus. It could happen though with an attenuated live virus vaccine.

I’ve looked at the retracted HIV paper and didn’t find it at all convincing. But anyway, the genetically engineered vaccines for SARS2 are all pure mRNA or modified adenoviruses, not themselves coronaviruses at all or anything resembling them.

247412 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #384 of 1680 🔗

How Prevalent is Long Covid?

So… “Long COVID”?! Really?!

Just say Long DEMENTIA…

247736 ▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #385 of 1680 🔗

What we should ALL be worried about is “Long Pfizer”.

247796 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Gracie Knoll, 1, #386 of 1680 🔗

It seems to be more “Long Pharma”… Pfizer is just a gang taking huge advantage from this entire OPERATION. The CEO just made a quick USD 6 million last day!

247418 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 22, #387 of 1680 🔗

Let me get this straight. Liverpool (riddled with the virus) tested 44,000 people and had 220 positive returns. At the same time we’re supposed to believe there were 33,000 positive tests across the country in one day.

If the positivity (% of people testing positive) is the same and both test types are valid (if they’re not then why are they continuing to run the tests? – rhetorical) then that would mean that 6 million people would have needed to be tested to produce the daily 33,000 positives. (33,000 divided by 220/44000).

6 million people were not tested in one day so either one or both of the tests are invalid (false positives, false negatives, not fit for purpose) or someone is just making the numbers up. My bet is on all of the above.

Why can’t our “esteemed” mainstream media join some dots up and ask, what are, pretty obvious questions?

247419 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Neil Hartley, 4, #388 of 1680 🔗

Perhaps they’re using the same software as in the US election – you know, the software that switches numbers from one column to another at the touch of a button, putting them where they’re needed for maximum effect.

You’re right though. I’ve been thinking for some time that any figures could be made up, just for effect, and how would we know that they’re genuine?

247426 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #389 of 1680 🔗

My bet is that they will abandon the lateral flow tests, arguing that they are not sensitive enough.

247432 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #390 of 1680 🔗

Abandon the moonshot? What, like a u-turn you mean? Surely not! When was the last time Bagpuss did a u-turn? OK, last week…

247431 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Neil Hartley, 6, #391 of 1680 🔗


Mike Yeardon had a thread on abandoning PCR altogether last night. It would absolutely be over if we did that.

247444 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #392 of 1680 🔗

Thanks for sharing. He says “When 60,000 ‘pregnancy-style’ tests in Liverpool, UK’s hotspot, show us there’s no virus in the city, the media just misses it & moves on. I’ve reviewed the spec. These are very sensitive tests. False negatives are relevant only at high virus prevalence.” Basically stop PCR testing and the virus goes away.

247458 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #393 of 1680 🔗

Indeed, or measure the impact of the virus by looking at all-cause mortality stats compared to past years, and see that there is nothing much to see at present

247489 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #394 of 1680 🔗

They are innumerate.

247675 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Basileus, 1, #395 of 1680 🔗

You don’t need to be numerate to do that sniff test, just awake, or interested…

247423 Awkward Git, 4, #396 of 1680 🔗

If you want to respond to the BMJ article you can use the form on this page:


I’ve put in my tuppence worth.

247427 smileymiley, 4, #397 of 1680 🔗

This well worth a watch. Pfizer 90% efficacy my arse!


247430 swedenborg, 5, #398 of 1680 🔗

New article from Russia about T cells immunity


SARS-CoV-2 epitopes are recognized by a public and diverse repertoire of human T cell receptors

“We assessed antibody and T cell reactivity in convalescent COVID-19 patients and healthy donors sampled both prior to and during the pandemic. Healthy donors examined during the pandemic exhibited increased numbers of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells, but no humoral response. Their probable exposure to the virus resulted in either asymptomatic infection without antibody secretion, or activation of pre-existing immunity”

247433 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #399 of 1680 🔗

New Moon = new beginnings. It’s another big one!
Below is part of Margaret Koolman’s take on things. She’s a Western Astrologer, rather than Jyotisher but definitely a good one. You might find it gives some helpful perspective.

Scorpio New Moon – 14/15 November 2020
‘A powerful frequency-raising mind is the greatest immunity to all that life may throw at us.’
This New Moon in Scorpio directs us to get to grips with exactly how things are, what’s going on under the surface of our lives, the deeper currents at work, and how they are affecting our outer experience (Sun/Moon sextile Pluto/Jupiter). We have just been through the culmination week of the huge wave of experience from early January onwards. And this wave is the culmination of other waves from 2007 (Jupiter over Pluto last), 2000 (Jupiter over Saturn last), 1983 (Saturn over Pluto last), and 1285 since all three were together (that happened to be at the end of Capricorn too). This ending has been rolling towards us all year, and doesn’t really complete until 21 December.  I’m laying out one way of viewing the process below here:

…. We have looked deeply at fear of being fatally ill and losing our family and friends versus fear of losing our livelihoods and our freedom of choice. It seems probable that the hype stretched far beyond the facts. Our perspective on all these things is determined by our beliefs and habits of thought, and we have become fiercely entrenched in our own views, battling with ideas and neighbours, creating only discomfort, and us-and-them scenarios (Mars through Aries since late June and retrograde from early September ).

During September and October there was an increase of intensity about whatever issues have been uppermost for each of us, a sense of preparing our positions for an all-out attack on circumstances (as Jupiter moves forward over the Capricorn ground he trawled through before).

This week, at last, the dam is burst, the river is flowing, the results of the January shock/fear pandemic are upon us, and will continue to unroll inexorably. (I hesitate to mention the US election . . . ) (This week Jupiter crossed 22 Capricorn for the last time meeting Pluto at the same point, and Mars turned direct the day before this New Moon in Scorpio.)

This week has been the opportunity to experience our personal results from the strangest year the ‘civilised’ world we know has seen, to recognise what deep changes need to be made by each one of us in our own lives. It’s how we are with ourselves, and the world we picture around us, that determines what we get in future. Not that we consciously change the outside, but that our relationship with it is our real experience.

So now is the time to register what may have risen from your own depths, waiting there as pockets of emotional memory, or conditioning we have assumed to be true and now find is inappropriate and blocking our future growth and unfolding. Register what’s there, examine it with interest, not to find fault but to learn from old errors, so that, when situations appear to repeat, we are able to manage them with the learning we have achieved through all our years of experience.


247539 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #400 of 1680 🔗

I have been re-kindling my enthusiasm for buying Chinese crap from Banggood. China suddenly became extra evil to me back in March and I stopped browsing through the stuff they sell.
Anyway In the last couple of days I was looking a 12 volt Ultra Violet lighting for the solar powered disco van. I found a few UV torches. Then I started thinking about scorpions and how they glow under UV. I started wondering where I could go to see scorpions glowing under UV. I started really thinking about scorpions.

Funny that….

247907 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Two-Six, #401 of 1680 🔗

Try the railway sidings and stations in Kent. Scorpions (the tiny, real, venomous ones) are endemic to Kent.

248352 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RichardJames, #402 of 1680 🔗

wow that’s interesting

247441 Fruitbat, 39, #403 of 1680 🔗

Imagine it is twelve month ago and you are going about your everyday life as it once was before everything changed. One day you are shocked when someone dressed in full PPE gear turns up at your workplace.

They say; “I’ve been instructed by the government to test you for influenza”

You say; “Are you nuts? I don’t have flu! I don’t even have a cold. I know people who have had flu and they couldn’t get out of bed for days”

They say; “Ah, but this test is extremely sensitive, it can show us if you might have even the tiniest fragment of material that we think might have come from an influenza virus.”

You say; “But I’m not ill, I don’t have a sore throat, I don’t have a runny nose, I don’t have a temperature, I feel absolutely fine.”

They say; “Yes, we have found that around 80% of people who have a positive result with this test never have any symptoms at all. But even though we don’t yet have any proof, we think that it might be theoretically possible for someone who has no visible signs of illness to inadvertently make a vulnerable person very ill.”

You say; “Are you trying to tell me that all these years I could have been spreading disease to other people even when I’ve felt perfectly healthy?”

They say; “We don’t really know that but it’s an evolving science and haven’t you heard of the precautionary principle? Anyway, it is now a condition of your employment that you submit to testing on an annual basis.”

You say; “Well I’m not at all happy about this but I guess I don’t have a choice because I love my job and I can’t afford not to work,”

Two days later you receive a telephone call.

They say; “The test results are positive, you must immediately isolate yourself for 14 days.”

You say; “But that’s insane, I feel perfectly ok. It’s my birthday at the weekend, I’ve got a party organised for all my friends and next week we’ve got a holiday booked.”

They say; “I’m afraid you will have to cancel all that, you must isolate yourself from everybody in case you are infectious. Imagine how you would feel if you made someone really ill by having contact with them.”

You say; “But I had this test on Wednesday, what’s to say it wouldn’t have been positive if you’d tested me on Monday when I was still interacting with people, or a fortnight ago, or in August?”

They say; “Oh but we wouldn’t test people for influenza in the summer because everyone knows that flu is a winter disease.”

You say; “But have you ever tried using this test in the summer and seeing if you get any positive results as that might be a good way of finding out if the test results have any validity?”

They say; “Don’t worry about that, there are plenty more tests in development. In fact next summer we will be rolling out a nationwide screening programme to look for asymptomatic polio.”

You say; “WTAF and put the phone down.”

247442 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 29, #404 of 1680 🔗


Yesterday my next-door neighbour died and I posted about it here and received many replies and comments. I’ve read through all your replies many times over and found them very comforting and encouraging.

As so often in these days, words seem inadequate to express our emotions and feelings – so I’ll simply say

“Thank you”, a thank you that comes from the bottom of my heart.

I am also moved by the response to my plea to stop the rot, to turn it around, as regards the growing expressions of hatred towards the police, who are not, or should not be, a faceless mass – but a collection of individuals most of whom are well motivated for the common good – yet are being used by their superiors and subject to truly appalling stress.

It’s the people in positions of political power who are creating division and hatred deliberately – direct your fury to them, cold, white, powerful and effective fury against those who are knowingly destroying our society.

247451 ▶▶ davews, replying to Rosie, 6, #405 of 1680 🔗

I didn’t respond yesterday, partly because I was so in shock in reading your story. Our thoughts are with you Rosie and pleased to see you back here this morning, it must be a very difficult time for you.

247482 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to davews, 6, #406 of 1680 🔗

Many thanks watashi and davews, much appreciated I assure you.

I doubt if I’ll be here for long today – but it’s that complete anger, not a strong enough word – fury – with those who are doing this to us. Cold white fury that really kicked in for me at the beginning of Lockdown2.

For me personally, it’s also that peculiar advantage we now find ourselves with, those of us with deep-rooted PTSD – and there seem to be many here – we can switch between one mode and another, and be simultaneously extremely unhappy, even heart-broken, but also able to work in an intellectual manner. In fact sometimes I do both at the same time, sitting here at my computer in tears but you’d never guess.

247502 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to davews, 4, #407 of 1680 🔗

I felt like you davews – all the other comments were so moving, I didn’t feel I could add anything.
I hope that the support does help in some small way Rosie – you are a very strong person, and you will come through even stronger. x

247553 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to CGL, 5, #408 of 1680 🔗

Thanks again, CGL and Wendyk. Without doubt the comments help, and yes it’s an odd thing, to sense myself getting stronger as the weeks and months go by.

I’ll be asking about the funeral, will report back in due course..

247459 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Rosie, 7, #409 of 1680 🔗

Hi Rosie,
I`m so sorry to hear about the death of your next door neighbour.
I hope you have people close who can offer company or comfort.
I really appreciate everything you put up on here, thank you for
all your hard work and all the encouragement. Sending hugs.

247505 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Rosie, 3, #410 of 1680 🔗

I hope your late neighbour will receive a decent funeral Rosie, given the many constraints now in force.

247445 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 11, #411 of 1680 🔗

Not sure if this has been noted:

Dr Michael Yeadon sent a letter to Hancock
expressing his extreme concern about using an experimental vaccine in
this way.


247477 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Rosie, 3, #412 of 1680 🔗

Great idea, bang goes handy cocks ‘I never knew defence’

247484 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 5, #413 of 1680 🔗

So has his ‘ I was only following the science’ after the BMJ bomb.

247491 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #414 of 1680 🔗

So has Blair’s “I genuinely believed” excuse. Too many people speaking out and the facts are in the open.

247506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Rosie, 6, #415 of 1680 🔗

Actually, Blair’s excuse was: “I only know what I believe.” The very definition of madness.

247563 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #416 of 1680 🔗

I just threw up. Thanks Steve for reminding me! We should never forget.

247767 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rosie, 1, #417 of 1680 🔗

I wonder if he had a reply.

247457 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #418 of 1680 🔗

On Sky News’ Sophie Ridge programme this morning the first interviewee was the National Statistician. The interview was revealing and depressing. The holder of this office is Professor Ian Diamond. He is in charge of the Office of National Statistics. Yet when interviewed by Sophie, he sounded more like a government spokesperson than the nation’s statistician. For instance when asked about the level of compliance with the coronavirus rules, he said that face mask wearing is ninety-five percent, which is fine, but he then went on to say that five percent not wearing them was a large number and “we” needed to get that down. He also had the audacity to pretend that the government have been using statistics in an open and transparent way that enabled the public to see why regulations are necessary. This is just one more example of the groupthink that lies at the heart of the government’s responses to the virus.

247464 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #419 of 1680 🔗

utter tosh, they have cherry picked stats and presented them with no context to further this agenda.

247500 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anothersceptic2, 10, #420 of 1680 🔗

They have done worse than cherry pick data. They are represented the outcomes of computer models as data.

248815 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Anothersceptic2, #421 of 1680 🔗

Like the CDC in the U.S.A.

247468 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #422 of 1680 🔗

How do you think he got the job in the first place?

247520 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #423 of 1680 🔗

He was unconvincing. I’ve seem him being interviewed before – he is no less convincing now than he was then. He is likely Common Purpose, and is a former university VC, with a ‘scandal’ on his record over his remuneration at University of Aberdeen.


247460 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #424 of 1680 🔗

Off-topic I know but I know some of you are following interested – A friend in the US sent me this – rumours are it’s the “before” inedited data from these seized servers.

We’ll see when the dust settles.

247470 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #425 of 1680 🔗

I would love it if that turned out to be true, not that I care who the president is but if it showed to the masses just how corrupt the world is.

247481 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #426 of 1680 🔗

I would agree tha Democrats and Republicans are usually two sides of the same coin but Trump is the nearest we have to a sceptic world leader while Biden is maskervator in chief.
US Presidents can be a lot more radical and independent in their second term as they have no third term to lose.

247471 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #427 of 1680 🔗

Great stuff AG; let’s hope that all will be revealed.

247478 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #428 of 1680 🔗

From the official Whitehouse website from September 2020:


Accordingly, I hereby order:

Section 1. (a) Not later than 45 days after the conclusion of a United States election, the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the heads of any other appropriate executive departments and agencies (agencies), shall conduct an assessment of any information indicating that a foreign government, or any person acting as an agent of or on behalf of a foreign government, has acted with the intent or purpose of interfering in that election. The assessment shall identify, to the maximum extent ascertainable, the nature of any foreign interference and any methods employed to execute it, the persons involved, and the foreign government or governments that authorized, directed, sponsored, or supported it. The Director of National Intelligence shall deliver this assessment and appropriate supporting information to the President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Was the fraud allowed to go ahead just so investigations and arrests could be made?

247527 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #429 of 1680 🔗

Ah, if only. Although him winning RI seems a bit implausible.

247555 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to DRW, 5, #430 of 1680 🔗

And California, always blue

247602 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, 2, #431 of 1680 🔗

I know the answer to this one – majority of the population live in the cities and are left leaning and a bit drippy hippy.

The rest of the state is rural and farming and so on and are middle of the road and just leave us alone to get on with things and don’t take too much tax manual workers but outnumbered see and up outvoted.

It was interesting to see the state a while back drawn up county by county and you could see the difference between city and rural quite clearly.

Wouldn’t rush back to the place though except to do a bit more exploring on the Queen Mary at Long Beach and do the Pacific Coast Highway on a motorbike from Malibu to San Fransisco and maybe the giant redwoods (but hideously expensive) national park.

LA, Hollywood etc – it’s a dump.

The roads out to Nevada especially via Death Valley and up towards Reno a lot more interesting.

248821 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #432 of 1680 🔗

I drove down the Pacific Coast Highway from San Francisco to Los Angeles in 1984. Magnificent. You should have gone to Baja.

247462 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 11, #433 of 1680 🔗

As many are aware, the climate change scam is older than the covid scam but in practice amounts to the same thing. Total lies in the name of ‘the science’ plus altering statistics and data, plus destroying the career of anyone who speaks the truth. The goals of all this are exactly the same, imposition of totalitarianism and deliberate impoverishment, etc etc. Same stuff, slightly different story.

‘carbon zero’ is still being driven through, and even when we defeat the covid agenda & brainwashing, we still have to defeat the climate change one.

So please be sure to make your views heard here:


and tell MPs what you think about the Climate Assembly’s recommendations for net-zero emissions. More letters, more complaints, keep telling them that we know their game. Most MPs are completely brainwashed themselves on climate change and believe it to be true – educate them.

247483 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 12, #434 of 1680 🔗

Anyone who doesn’t realise by now that the Covid scam is being used as a cover for zero carbon policies is not paying attention.This act of lunacy is enshrined in law by Theresa May.
2050 is the target date but there are milestones that must be met along the way.
Johnson is rumoured to be announcing the bringing forward of banning the internal combustion engine in new cars to 2030.As there is no hope of increasing National Grid capacity to meet the needs of millions of Eletric cars the logical result is millions of people being forced out of their cars.

247488 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #435 of 1680 🔗

It’s already 2030. The rumours are bringing it forward to 2025.

Local council round here (Bromley) reducing the size of the roads and deliberately creating bottlenecks – I can’t keep up but my neighbours are complaining like mad.

Complete this

247517 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 2, #436 of 1680 🔗

Johnson as mayor made it law for all London taxis to be zero emission by 2018.He also instituted cycle lanes which have caused mass gridlock.This was all pre Carrie.
He’s always been a green enthusiast.

247660 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #437 of 1680 🔗

Yes, article in Daily Telegraph 10 years ago about his friendship with Piers Corbyn, well it might well have been back then – but even then he is claiming that he understands the climate better than Piers, and was able to get away with that claim, so powerful already was that particular agenda.

247569 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Rosie, #438 of 1680 🔗

Madness, isn’t it?

247586 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #439 of 1680 🔗

Not madness but deliberate destruction – it’s bad not mad, malign.

247616 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Rosie, 2, #440 of 1680 🔗

Yes. You’re right. I stand corrected, and the “madness” descriptor lets the Inner Party off the hook.

247655 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #441 of 1680 🔗

Indeed, and feeds their cover, them trying to make out it’s incompetence and stupidity when it’s nothing of the sort.

247567 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #442 of 1680 🔗

What a disaster. Plebs, shut up. Don’t travel. Don’t own anything. Don’t sing, dance, drink, fornicate, eat well. “I own nothing and am a slave and I’m happy”

247573 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #443 of 1680 🔗

Now you can see the importance of the control grid.The public won’t stand for the green revolution but dissent will be almost impossible.
Lockdowns are destroying the independence of millions of people and making them dependent on the state.

248828 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #444 of 1680 🔗
248019 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, 1, #445 of 1680 🔗

On the climate topic, I did a search on Naomi Siebt at the beginning of November, and found that her details included that she was a climate change denier:-
“Naomi Seibt is a German climate change denier. Until April 2020, she was employed by the Heartland Institute, an American conservative and right-wing public policy think tank that marketed her as the “anti-Greta”. She has been a speaker at multiple events organized by conservative think tanks. Wikipedia

I sent some feedback on their form and received the confirmation email:-

“Thank you for submitting feedback for Naomi Seibt. We will send you an update if this suggestion is accepted.
Here’s what you suggested for Naomi Seibt:
She does not deny climate change – she states that climate change has been happening constantly but is only marginally affected by humans”

It’s still there funnily enough. Anyone else have a go?

248823 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rosie, #446 of 1680 🔗

Send them a link to Mark Windows Windows on the World.

247465 Cbird, 3, #447 of 1680 🔗

Great video illustrating just how effective masks are (not):


247472 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 11, #448 of 1680 🔗

One of the peculiarities for those working on the front line during this new era is for the first time we see the faces of those who in the past we only knew the names of from their ” important clinical updates.” Some of them had been colleagues I had known a few decades ago and the first reaction is how the years march on

During these video updates to local medics which are delivered with a style reminicent of a ” hostage video ” we are told really very questionable information. I can see from my computer records that most of the PCR covd + cases locally have a connection to a health care setting , yet the local public health honcho drones on about community spread and pubs.

When the public health doctors go back in the future to what they usually do ie closing curry houses after an episode of campylo bacter and investigating smells on ward 4 , they need to reflect on their role in this pantomine.

247480 ▶▶ steph, replying to Peter Thompson, 8, #449 of 1680 🔗

If only they did investigate the smell on ward 4. It is obvious to any of us who have been visitors in recent years that hospitals are nowhere near as clean as they should be.

247498 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to steph, 11, #450 of 1680 🔗

This is a direct result of the misguided and disastrous decision to privatise cleaning services in the 90s; I witnessed it at first hand.

The cleaning staff, who were on the NHS Whitley Scale with decent working conditions and pensions,were transferred to outfits like Securicor more or less overnight.

Most left,to be replaced by casual workers on zero hours contracts and poverty wages.

Hospitals are now increasingly dirty, poorly ventilated and over reliant on antibiotics.

247509 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to wendyk, 5, #451 of 1680 🔗

Hospital used to have their own smell.We have been through this before with MRSA and still nothing changes.

247548 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to wendyk, 4, #452 of 1680 🔗

Agree. The outsourcing was corrupt in every manner. Set against competence and high standards and pro the draining of funds from tax-payer to Capita and all those types of organisation. In almost every area of life, from quality to grim. Ref Croydon Council going bankrupt, for example.

248834 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steph, #453 of 1680 🔗

Do hospitals claim to be 100% germ free?.

247473 Cecil B, 7, #454 of 1680 🔗

Dear Princess Nut Nut

‘How do you make something that never existed go away?’

247475 wendyk, 16, #455 of 1680 🔗

There once was a PM named Johnson,
Who somehow could not keep his pants on.
He’s engaged to Carrie,
She’s not one to tarry-
Now who wears the trousers, not Johnson.

247497 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #456 of 1680 🔗

If you were secretly planning to deploy a placebo vaccine, how could you make it really convincing that it was the real deal? Something that’s so expensive and difficult to arrange that no one would surely use it if they didn’t have to.

Also, at the same time, could you do something that makes analysing it independently much more difficult?

Refrigeration at -80 degrees..?

247501 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #457 of 1680 🔗

It’s simple, you just send out the order to only do PCR tests at 25 cycles or less and voila, no positives anymore.

247511 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #458 of 1680 🔗


To those who say the government blundered and doesn’t know how to get itself out of this situation, that is the easiest thing to do, since the public doesn’t understand the PCR anyway.

247515 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to calchas, 4, #459 of 1680 🔗

Problem is it also then means why bother with a vaccine? If there’s no positives out there anymore unless you tried to force vaccination on a whole population over a single weekend, they’re really going to struggle to convince people.

247537 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #460 of 1680 🔗

Because the vaccine is the gateway to the health passport.Combined with the digital currency it is the end of freedom.

247798 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #461 of 1680 🔗

Sadly and most alarmingly it appears that way.

247843 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #462 of 1680 🔗

Hi ShropshireLass
You’re from the Daily Telegraph, right?
We’ve exchanged comments there before – I’m Rosie Langridge and good to see you here.

247931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Rosie, 3, #463 of 1680 🔗

Hi Rosie, No, I’m not from the Daily Telegraph! I am a retired researcher, currently doing a third (science based) degree – to keep the little grey cells active. Immediate family members are in 2 different medical professions. I caught the virus early in January whilst working with some students just arrived from Wuhan and started researching it then, before the whole thing kicked off and was immediately sceptical of a) the danger the virus posed and b) the official reactions to it (excluding Sweden of course). Even though I am disabled and supposedly vulnerable, I have had worse colds than the symptoms I got from the virus. Doing research for my degree I of course see links to articles on SARS-CoV-2 in the process. I saw Toby’s early article in the Telegraph in the college library and emailed him commending him for his sensible, intelligent, informed and logical article. He emailed back thanking me and saying he was setting up a website with newsletter so when it was up and running I joined. So glad I did. Most of my friends and former work colleagues have been completely brainwashed by the government and media propaganda. Luckily my former work boss is a LS (though doesn’t subscribe to the site) and so are 2 of my former colleagues – both retired too from medical / scientific positions respectively, so at least I can have sensible conversations with those 3.

247593 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #464 of 1680 🔗

But I think that’s missing the point.

The hypothesis is that the government has confected a crisis out of a non-crisis. Maybe they were following orders from Klaus Schwab, or maybe they just panicked and did what everybody else did. Either way, they need to move on to the ‘next stage’. In the former case, KS wants the world to have health passports and in the latter case, the government wants to extricate itself from the mess it’s in and yet maintain the faith of the voters.

A placebo vaccine fits the bill in both instances. It assumes that (a) the virus never was a great threat and has already gone away and/or settled into the background of our lives – or it never existed, and (b) that the aim of the vaccine is not to kill us selectively nor implant microchips. The vaccine is just theatre. But there has to be a ‘vaccine’ in the near future.

The major problem is that a real vaccine takes years to develop and potentially has side effects. This presents very great difficulties with regard to damages and insurance and so on, and may threaten the take-up of the vaccine. It could also shake faith in the government and the take-up of future vaccines, even if vaccination is made de facto mandatory.

So a placebo it is. The drug companies must be ‘in on it’, and legislation must be passed, effectively banning any discussion/tests/analysis/speculation about the vaccine. A blanket ban on ‘anti-vax fake information’ will do it.

The refrigeration requirement is just a nice touch, which makes it seem deadly serious and also invalidates the unused vaccine days after it is released into the wild. Thus, if subsequent analysis shows it to have no active capabilities at all, well that’s just because it wasn’t kept at -80 degrees.

247772 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #465 of 1680 🔗

Some downvotes… Am I to take it that people in general are hostile to the idea that the vaccine will be a placebo..? Determined to see the vaccine in the very worst light? Rather than it just being a con to get us to use ‘digital health passports’?

247869 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Barney McGrew, #466 of 1680 🔗

Not hostile to the idea. It’s a scam that I have thought they may run.
But they will very likely get found out, if they do.
Just needs one lab to get hold of a vaccine sample and run a few tests…

247809 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #467 of 1680 🔗

Barney McGrew – I thought you made some very good points in the above comment. You only had a single negative vote. I wonder if the person who made it will explain why?

247795 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #468 of 1680 🔗

You would still get false positives – no test is 100% accurate and false results depend on quite a few factors, not just the number of cycles. Contamination is a particular problem – especially as the test is so sensitive and requires very specific and stringent environmental, storage, administration and testing protocols in bio-secure conditions and be carried out by highly trained medical personnel. None of which apply in community testing situations, for which the PCR test was never designed. It was designed as an initial screening tool where symptoms were apparent and indicative of the POTENTIAL presence of a disease, but which would require diagnostic tests and confirmation by an attendant physician to confirm.

247504 TJN, replying to TJN, 17, #469 of 1680 🔗

Toby writes today that Johnson and Sunak have been calling Conservative Party business supporters claiming that they were bounced into this second lockdown owing to bogus data, and then goes on to say that he (Toby) doesn’t believe this, but that Johnson knew full well the data didn’t support a new lockdown and is looking to avoid the blame.

Toby’s hunch is surely correct: if Johnson really does believe he was fed bogus data he should – would – have summarily sacked Whitty and Vallance. They are still in post.

247510 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to TJN, 1, #470 of 1680 🔗

Sage are independent? So I’m not sure he can sack them, but he could certainly terminate any association with them?

247516 ▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to Anothersceptic2, 8, #471 of 1680 🔗

No, sage is a government advisory committee. And Vallance and Whitty are civil servants, on the committee as part of their job.

247528 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #472 of 1680 🔗

SagE are voluntary advisors but the posts of CMO and CSO do not fall into that category, if my understanding is correct. If they were sacked (W&V) then everything that they have said would be open to question by the masses- I don’t think Bozo will risk that. They have him over a barrel. Pushing the other duo out creates a useful distraction, as does the vaccine chat, imo.

247534 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #473 of 1680 🔗

Sooner or later, Johnson is going to seek to pass the blame to someone – those two (V&W) are ideal candidates. They’ve probably got lots of stuff on him mind you.

247538 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TJN, 2, #474 of 1680 🔗

Later, I would expect.

247572 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to TJN, 1, #475 of 1680 🔗

dePiffle is a narcissist. He’s programmed to deny accountability and blame-shift. 100% certainty.

247778 ▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to TJN, #476 of 1680 🔗

What about Matt Hancock?

247812 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to ShropshireLass, #477 of 1680 🔗

He has his uses – one mainly: Fall Guy.

248836 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Charlie Blue, #478 of 1680 🔗

The members of S.A.G.E. are not very sagacious.

247530 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anothersceptic2, #479 of 1680 🔗

Well he can surely sack them in effect – if he said he had no confidence in them they’d have to go.

In the good old days they could have expected a trip to Tower Hill, or at least a stint in the Tower.

247547 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #480 of 1680 🔗

Independent ha. 7 out of 10 Pharma companies would disagree

247585 ▶▶▶ BarbedBob, replying to Anothersceptic2, #481 of 1680 🔗

There was an article in the Telegraph by Iain Duncan Smith back in Sept/Oct when Vallance produced the first apocalyptic ‘scenario’ (not the 4,000 deaths, the one before), and he stated in that article that all appointments to SAGE are by Whitty.

247816 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to BarbedBob, #482 of 1680 🔗

Yes. I remember that – wasn’t it Vallance and Whitty? I was astonished.

247570 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to TJN, 3, #483 of 1680 🔗

And why doesn’t he end the lockdown if he’s aware it’s based on false data.
More spin along the lines of Boris is just a libertarian sort of guy.

247821 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #484 of 1680 🔗

Yes, the more you look at it, the murkier it gets.

247508 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 28, #485 of 1680 🔗

I know it’s slightly off-topic, but how depressing to see rugby players taking the knee. And well done Ben Earl, Billy Vunipola and Henry Slade for refusing.

247544 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 13, #486 of 1680 🔗

Indeed it is depressing.

Personally, I won’t use the term “take the knee” as we have a perfectly good English word for it in “genuflect”, which is loaded with connotations of deference and servility. I encourage all to do likewise – play them at their own game and regain control of language.

247562 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 8, #487 of 1680 🔗

I will from now on. There’s another sport I used to enjoy watching (cricket being the other one) that I cannot watch anymore.

248036 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #488 of 1680 🔗

The prequel to masks then

247656 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 3, #489 of 1680 🔗

It is absolutely depressing, and a major part of the reason I just don’t watch sport any more.

Though it’s encouraging to hear of some individuals pushing back by refusing to conform,(there was almost none of that in the early days).

By the way, absolutely no reason to apologise for being “off topic” when you post about woke nonsense on the blog of a person who has an entire section devoted to and titled: “woke nonsense”. Personally, I don’t feel any need to concede anything to self-appointed topic police.

247853 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mark, 2, #490 of 1680 🔗

I don’t know what the term would be for a 3-sided coin …. but ‘climate change’, Woke and covid/lockdown are opposite sides of that same coin. All for the same purpose, all from the same places, all for the purpose of destruction and enslavement.

248092 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, 1, #491 of 1680 🔗

Maybe they are genuflecting for the 15 black business owners killed by BLM rioters this summer…but somehow I doubt it. A former armed robber and career hard drug user is a much more worthy martyr.

247518 DRW, replying to DRW, 6, #492 of 1680 🔗

I was up in the early hours wondering if I could actually survive another year of this. At this rate or even worse I might have one bad day too much.

And if universities could ever actually get back to normal, even if everything else did given their religious fundamentalist-like institutional zealotry.

247550 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 6, #493 of 1680 🔗

Yes you can survive it, if that’s what you want. But you can decide what is best for you and what your immediate priorities are . Better to bend than break. I can’t recall whether you are in your final year?

Be a bit selfish. Right now you need to get what you need from University. The bigger questions about their futures as institution are secondary.

247912 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, #494 of 1680 🔗

I am in my final year yes.

247878 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to DRW, 3, #495 of 1680 🔗

I haven’t had a good night’s sleep for weeks. I am back on the painkillers I spent a year stopping because I cannot get a hip replacement even if I pay as the NHS has commandeered private facilities, even though they aren’t using them. I feel one accident or crisis away from a culling death home. I hate many of my fellow human beings for condoning this and then blaming us for what is just seasonal flu. If something is going to happen (the Great Reset) surely it would be kinder to just do it and stop choking us into submission and killing the sick and the old? I would have to be dragged from my home before accepting a vaccine.

247519 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #496 of 1680 🔗

Off topic again – browsing via Japan today, not one single mask advert on the page.

When using a UK server this morning 4 out of the 6 adverts at the bottom of the update were for masks of some sort.

Will have to learn to read Japanese to see what they are selling.

247575 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #497 of 1680 🔗

I could assist with any Japanese translation you want doing AG

247581 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to watashi, 1, #498 of 1680 🔗

Hmm – how about translating some of Reiner Fuellmich’s work into Japanese? They are in the process of getting word out globally and need translators. I’ve the contacts, or go direct.
This is me, https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

or Fuellmich directly you should be able to find.

The more this gets global coverage, the quicker and better word gets out and creates a momentum – the faster we can turn this whole agenda around. If anyone wants to join the translation team then please contact me, I’m in touch with other people doing this task, which is huge as German is a difficult language, so getting this technical stuff into English is tough enough.

247626 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Rosie, 1, #499 of 1680 🔗

I`m not Japanese, so Japanese -English is more my cup of tea.
Though if I had more time on my hands it is certainly something I would consider. Thank you Rosie.

247598 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to watashi, #500 of 1680 🔗

Might take you up on that kind offer one day – when I see an interesting advert photo I don’t understand will post link.

247523 RickH, replying to RickH, 14, #501 of 1680 🔗

Worth reading in full .”

… is the tag to one of the items about the squabbling juveniles in No. 10.

Here’s the News : it isn’t. The whole story is incredibly predictable and boring – and a distraction from the fact that these tossers, collectively, have screwed up the nation big-time, and that they are a disease far worse than Covid.

247529 ▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 9, #502 of 1680 🔗

Yes, this soap opera should be of no interest to those of us against lockdown.

247647 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jb12, 4, #503 of 1680 🔗

Well imo it ought to be, since it is about the internal workings of the main actual decision making group on lockdown and related policies. You can ignore it if you want, but it (they) won’t ignore you.

247701 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 4, #504 of 1680 🔗

Agree we are being ruled by a cabal.The internal machinations of this group are extremely relevant.
The days of ministers being held to account by Parliament and a free press are over and any discord within this group is welcome and normally a sign that things are going wrong.

248397 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mark, #505 of 1680 🔗

Even if that were the case, who is to say that any of this is even true? If Toby’s sources are to be believed, a couple of weeks ago Boris Johnson decided to lock the whole country down because he was worried about a few hospitals in Yorkshire being overwhelmed. Now it is all about some drama with ‘Dom’.

247525 Cheshirecatslave, 9, #506 of 1680 🔗

Just browsing Medscape, which is very pro official narrative. There was a pretty crazy article making out Covid was almost as bad as Spanish flu with 2 excellent comments. Then I came across this “ Yet many physicians, nurses, and other healthcare workers share the public’s skepticism about the safety and effectiveness of a vaccine that receives swift US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for emergency use. About half of nurses (47%) and almost 1 in 3 physicians (30%) say that they don’t want to get the vaccine when it first becomes available or that they’re unsure about vaccination, according to a Medscape survey

247526 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 10, #507 of 1680 🔗

This is such an excellent piece about psychiatrist Peter Breggin’s work exposing the Fauci-Wuhan connection and the mechanism of “fear appeal”:

I particularly liked this definition of ‘Technocracy’ as it’s clear and succinct; more accurate than The Great Reset or New World Order, or such, and thus useful for communicating to others, which is always uppermost in my mind, especially after discovering most of my erstwhile American friends have drunk the kool-aid:

Technocracy is an economic system in which the world is ruled not by democratically elected politicians but by technocrats — a conglomerate of ultra-wealthy elites, scientists and technicians whose aim is to rule the global population and the allocation of resources through the use of technology.

247545 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Melangell, 4, #508 of 1680 🔗

While at Surrey University I read his book ‘Toxic Psychiatry’.

247556 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 4, #509 of 1680 🔗

I read it while doing research into anti-depressants, an excellent, though depressing book.

247606 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to wendyk, 2, #510 of 1680 🔗

A similar cracking and eye opening read is “The anatomy of an epidemic” by investigative journalist Robert Whitaker.

247612 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to LS99, #511 of 1680 🔗

Thanks for the tip; another one for my list.

247625 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to LS99, #512 of 1680 🔗

Is the author referring to the current or a previous epidemic in this book?

247535 Mrs issedoff, 10, #513 of 1680 🔗

A message to all companies who virtue signal and use this hoax we are going through in their advertising. The only problem with using this site as a platform is that these people are unlikely to be on a sceptic forum!. I will not buy anything from a shop that has muzzled up mannequins in their windows. I will not buy anything from a business that mentions anything about Convid or uses that nauseating phrase of ‘stay safe’. The issue with this is that I am finding less and less places that I can spend any money. I mentioned once before my visceral hatred of masks, I extend this visceral hatred now to ANYTHING which is even remotely connected to the biggest hoax in our life time.

247536 crimsonpirate, #514 of 1680 🔗

Jab jingle suggestion -Turn round and bend over

247590 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #516 of 1680 🔗

From reading the link, it appears that the court ruled against the mask mandate because it lacks the specificity required to enable people to know whether or not they are in compliance. This does of course leave it entirely open to the lockdownistas to simply re-draft their rules.

247543 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 11, #517 of 1680 🔗

Yesterday, much debate about the degree of order in the apparent chaos – I don’t want to revisit that in this post, but this specific question: is there a long term process of deliberate corruption of our institutions?

Answer: yes. It’s fully documented and well understood, but is one of those many factual things that has been smeared and suppressed by the MSM, using all their usual adhoms, twisting of words/meaning and smearing etc.

This agenda has a ‘philosophy’ of sorts(“Critical Theory”) and it was initiated by people now long dead, but picked up a momentum of its own by having been introduced into institutions, deliberately for that long-term reason.

So this is something that is separate from financial fraud and monetary corruption, it’s a deliberate moral/ethical/cultural corruption. The instigators are the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism and an Italian named Antonio Gramsci. You’ll find plenty about the latter on a quick internet search. The term ‘The long march through the institutions’ comes from here and it’s absolutely real, deliberate and done purposely. Common Purpose is used to introduce the moral corruption as well as financial corruption.

This too is where the ‘antisemitic’ meme comes in, and much feeding of conspiracy theories (genuinely crazy ones), because it is unfortunately a fact that there were many of that cultural heritage who originally established the Frankfurt School. That I believe we should put to one side and look not at the background of individuals involved, but at the ideas they held and promoted, and the devastation those ideas have caused. This is what we witness today.

Earlier this year I was collecting together the material. I would have spent a lot more time on this page had lockdowns not continued, but it’s still worth looking at for anyone who wants to look further at this matter, with some important references.


247558 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, 2, #518 of 1680 🔗

Interesting topic. It’s a very difficult one to unpick. Too many on the right have got it into their heads that such theories are just communism. I studied it at university in some modules and found it an excellent lens through which to view certain issues, especially the concept of power.

However, I am well aware of the gobbledegook element to it as well. It’s overreach. But it does reflect the inadequacy of language to fully relate to reality. All we have are approximations and analogy in many ways. The map is not the territory.

I enjoy the philosophy of it all. Can be mind melting at times but I enjoy that

247583 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #519 of 1680 🔗

Too many on the right have got it into their heads that such theories are just communism.”

Yes – it’s a one-eyed denial tactic that is inaccurate. A sort of comfort blanket that tries to insulate the right from authoritarian tendencies, when we know that police states come from both the extreme right and extreme left. Remember in modern times, for instance, Thatcher protected Pinochet, who was a totalitarian out of the Chicago free-market school.

Totalitarianism is totalitarianism, and police states are sui generis.

The current situation here, by definition, comes out of the right, and references to the Frankfurt School and ‘cultural marxism’ have little to do with it. Trying to fit circumstances to pre-defined ideological boxes is a waste of space.

247597 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 1, #520 of 1680 🔗

police states are sui generis

I am puzzled by this claim. Surely the most fundamental thing about police states is their similarities rather than their differences?

247630 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RickH, 1, #521 of 1680 🔗

You’re not allowed to refer to the Nazis without some wit saying ‘Godwin’s Law’ – or the posts being removed. But you are allowed to talk about Communism because so many people have got a soft spot for the communists. They’re ‘left’ wing, so surely they’re nice people at heart. You can walk around with a hammer-and-sickle badge on your school rucksack and have a Chairman Mao poster in your teenage bedroom and everyone thinks it’s cute.

247670 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #522 of 1680 🔗

Totally agree. NSDAP stands, much as though some left-leaners hate hearing it, for National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Hitler was quite clear about this; he regarded communism as a separate philosophy mainly because it opposed his agendas and outcomes, but he never referred to “his” party as anything other than National Socialism.

248101 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Barney McGrew, #523 of 1680 🔗

Or have a che poster on your wall as many students did in my days at university. I doubt many knew he was a callous murderer.

247639 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 6, #524 of 1680 🔗

The current situation here, by definition, comes out of the right”

Persistent repetition of this literal idiocy is not going to make it any less false, Rick H. Things have changed a little now, but n the crucial early days it was almost impossible to find any institution or major figure of the left, including the likes of Jeremy Corbyn, who was not full on pushing panic. Notably all the leftist criticisms of the government were of it not panicking hard enough or fast enough. You know this, it was pointed out to you essentially without response time after time back in April (iirc) and May.

Yet you persist in dogged, dogmatic repetition, as if you hope eventually people will forget the truth and come to believe your preferred version of reality..

It’s especially comical when, as here, you repeat that attempt to force this round panic into your personal square ideological pigeonhole, and follow it with this remarkable piece of unselfawareness:

Trying to fit circumstances to pre-defined ideological boxes is a waste of space

247669 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 4, #525 of 1680 🔗

The socialists here in Northern Ireland have been utterly pathetic since day 1. The mask has been a badge of honour for them and their big plan is Zero Covid. They have nowhere to go as the narrative is unveiled for the nonsense it is. They blame government and corporations for putting their workers at risk, and want full lockdown so we can all be New Zealand.

It’s absolutely incredible the lack of critical thought on display

248122 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #526 of 1680 🔗

Of course Rick will do that…to remain a socialist/communist at 70+ years requires a huge amount of self deception. All socialist /communist regimes turned into dictatorships despite there always being Western apologists for them in the early days. Once they became tyrannies the same excuse is always trotted out by the same people…they were not ‘real socialism’. Funny how the apologists never said that about them in the early stages. Even respected British politicians like Nye Bevan (the creator out our new religion, the NHS) was for many years an apologist for Stalin…his speeches are in Hansard for all to see. The veteran left wing Cambridge economist Joan Robinson was an apologist for North Korea and predicted that one day the South Koreans would be desperate to get into North Korea…I wonder how well that prediction turned out.

247674 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 6, #527 of 1680 🔗

What do you mean by “right”, in this context? I class myself as vaguely “right” and don’t recognise much of what this government is doing as being “right”. If anything, it is more “left” than “right”, in so far as we are seeing huge state intervention in every aspect of life. But essentially it is about dishonesty, evil, selfishness, vanity, abuse of power, suppression of freedom of speech, cowardice, by unprincipled people.

247676 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 3, #528 of 1680 🔗

The old definition of left and right doesn’t exist in this situation.
The fact that it is a nominally Conservative Government instituting these policies doesn’t matter.The SNP and Welsh labour are enacting the same policies.
The threat we face is probably closer to Fascism than Communism although they are the twin brothers of totalitarianism.

247749 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #529 of 1680 🔗

The threat we face is probably closer to Fascism than Communism

Seems a bit People’s Front of Judea to me. The state will be controlling every aspect of the economy and our lives. I don’t think there’s a race element to it, or any idea of one nation taking over the world. Seems like Communism to me.

248153 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #530 of 1680 🔗

I came to a conclusion a couple of years ago that there isn’t much fundamentally different in what a Fascist or Communist state looks like – they both have a dictator at the helm, controlling everyone else in the populace.

There will be much more nuanced arguments, and I’m sure there are people here who would be able provide lots more detail, but as someone who doesn’t study this subject, it was just an outside observation that ultimately they both looked like a pretty similar setup.

248746 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Barney McGrew, #531 of 1680 🔗

If you believe the Conservatives have gone full communists how do you account for them giving 12 billion to a private company (surco)?. I’m not aware of any communist country ever encouraging free enterprise on that scale .

248851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wat tyler, #532 of 1680 🔗

Where did this 12 billion come from?

247571 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Rosie, 7, #533 of 1680 🔗

Who invented the term Cultural Marxism? It is about as oxymoronic as it gets. Marxism is a class analysis, based on modernist epistemology, prioritising the interests of the working class by exposing capitalist exploitation and oppression. Whereas, so called Cultural Marxism takes class for granted and assumes it is natural, is based on postmodernist epistemology, and exploits identity politics to obscure the collective interests of the working class and thus ensure there is no effective challenge to capitalist exploitation and oppression. I do not know who invented the term, but I recognise an outstanding example of the art and science of propaganda.

247577 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #534 of 1680 🔗

Brilliant! Thank you so very much for pointing this out!

247642 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #535 of 1680 🔗

You misunderstand the aims.Cultural Marxists realised the Western Working class would never rise up in its present state.So set about weakening and subverting the host culture from within therefore paving the way for revolution.Whether the technocratic elites have made them their own useful idiots is another matter

247848 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #536 of 1680 🔗

Rather than just telling me that I do not understand, perhaps you might address the contrasts I highlighted between Marxism and so called Cultural Marxism?

247871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Hayes, #537 of 1680 🔗

I guess the point here, I’m agreeing with Jonathan, is that it isn’t ‘so called’ Cultural Marxism but an actual real life ideology, which has the origin that Jonathan explains….

Meanwhile you said, Steve, “ I recognise an outstanding example of the art and science of propaganda” and this too is correct – that is precisely why it was devised in the first place.

248782 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Steve Hayes, #538 of 1680 🔗

They won’t like it but it’s a conspiracy theory . It started in America in 92 in a essay by a bloke called Michael Minnicinno. The right in America took it up and it spread here . Most people now use it to explain identity politics and try to equate it to some left wing plan . The truth is although much of the mainstream left support id politics now it would make more sense to call this stuff cultural capitalism after all would Marx support any of this shit if he was alive today ? the answer is no . Marxism is a purely an economic theory as anyone knows who has bothered to read him and the idea he would support black lives matter or trans rights is insanity . There has never been a communist country that supported No Borders ,Black or Gay or Trans rights ,no communist would ever of used the phrase white privilege as it contradicts the class analysis which is the whole basis of Marx . Before people jump on me i’m not a communist but iv’e read Marx and the people who spout all this woke shit at the moment are clearly just Liberals .

247549 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #539 of 1680 🔗

Sorry to resurrect an on-going moan – but it is important.

I keep on seeing references to ‘Covid’ ‘infections’ in various articles (see, for instance that on pressure in the NHS) that fail to distinguish between illness and PCR defined ‘cases’.

All here by now know that this is an absolutely crucial dimension to the facts of any argument, given what we know about the interpretation of the PCR test. It colours any data and any attempt to distinguish true infective illness from the casedemic.

The item on getting a PCR test was interesting, but it again dodges the fundamental question of whether, when you have undergone the necessary intrusive palaver, the result is worth the paper its printed on.

We need to be constantly alerting people that the sloppy testing of asymptomatic – or randomly symptomatic – individuals is a useless ritual.

247564 ▶▶ steph, replying to RickH, 10, #540 of 1680 🔗

Actually I was amazed by the psychologist undertaking the test due to peer pressure. They claimed to have had no interest in taking one otherwise.
I am preaching to the choir here, but people do not get tested unless absolutely necessary. If you do, then you are just contributing to prolonging the sh*t show.

247613 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to steph, 7, #541 of 1680 🔗

We want to get the message out that a running nose and sneezing and possibly a sore throat are NOT a symptom of COVID and nobody should be going for tests just for these.

247693 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to davews, 4, #542 of 1680 🔗

Just heard from youngest, a chef working in Pembrokeshire. One of his colleagues wanted to visit his grandmother in hospital, so decided to get a precautionary test ( they had no symptoms); the result was positive. My son had a lift from this person and has now to isolate for two weeks. Also the restaurant may have to close, having just reopened after the Welsh lockdown.

247801 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to p02099003, 1, #543 of 1680 🔗

We could have written the script for him.

248854 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to p02099003, #544 of 1680 🔗

Was he obliged to take a precautionary test in order to visit his grandmother or did he decide on his own?

247622 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #545 of 1680 🔗


247673 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to RickH, 2, #546 of 1680 🔗

Said this to someone today in reply to me saying our weekend golf game will probably be for not much longer as Scotland will likely shut down.

His reply – ‘yep, probably but infections are rising in the local area’

Me – ‘nope, we are in a casedemic now, the test is flawed and calibrated to return positive tests there is very little danger barring usual seasonal flu’

Him – ‘casedemic…is that the new buzzword, haven’t heard that one before’

Me – ‘no, it’s true’

Him – shrug of the shoulders.

For fuck sake more worried about my choice of word that the information I was giving him.

247750 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to RickH, 6, #547 of 1680 🔗

I literally spend many hours each week challenging posts and comments on my 3 local Facebook groups about ‘cases’ and numbers of people being infected and panicking or exhorting everyone to stay inside, don’t meet others, shop online, don’t open windows, don’t kill our old folk, don’t send kids to school, don’t teach in schools, don’t go to work etc etc, with factual information on PCR tests, references, explanations of why the figures are not ‘cases’ and why so many results are likely to be false positives. Gets very tiresome, and I get a lot of really aggressive and nasty comments in reply. But I’m determined to try and get the message out to at least some people that they are being misinformed and unnecessarily panicked.

247861 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to ShropshireLass, 9, #548 of 1680 🔗

I haven’t posted for ages here – but here is must reading every day. I’ve suddenly had to publicly defend my views –
I had a very deeply depressing conversation with a couple who I know alittle through work – she is an EHO who turns out to have been one of the team ‘monitoring’ the hospitality industry compliance this summer – AKA – you have no idea how badly behaved people have been and how ‘disobedient’ – who clearly believe everything the MSM say – 51000 deaths of Covid and we are all going to die and it would be hundreds of thousands more if we hadn’t taken action etc etc.
This was conducted outside on the pavement yesterday as they ducked and moved into the road as others passed by.
I tried & tried to marshal some counterfacts – the tests not being representative or reliable, the deaths not being of covid but with covid; the average age of deaths; it’s ‘easier’ to put covid on a death certificate to ‘process the death’ etc. The complete destruction of the economy (oh it grew by 15% last month – seriously they seen the UK debt figures), the schools closing (well everyone is back at school now – no they are not); the university students being locked up – well our university doesn’t do that because we have ‘good’ students, so masked adults and babies is OK then (no reply), the state interference in our lives and ability to make decisions and take our own risks – ‘well not everyone behaves well’.
We ended up fundamentally disagreeing that I was a ‘libertarian’ and they were not.
Just depressing – the closed mindset, the stupidity, the lack of curiousness, the sheeple mentality and no wish to engage with me.
I do feel alone sometimes and I guess we are all here for that too.
The fact that when the UK state stops funding local EHO posts (already decimated), there will be no jobs – seems to have passed them by. I despair.
The sooner the appalling no 10 group and the inept cabinet go somewhere far away and very uncomfortable the better.

247889 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #549 of 1680 🔗

I got several death threats from people in local groups. Another so eloquently told me he ‘wouldn’t give me the steam off his piss’ and another said my ‘name is on a list’. I am horrified at these people who sound like the Stasi. I now think that nothing will change their minds and, even if the hoax was admitted by the Govt, they would still wear their muzzles.

247928 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mutineer, #550 of 1680 🔗

“another said my ‘name is on a list’.”

In my case, my response would be “Another one! The government can’t even streamline their lists of people they don’t like”.

248856 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mutineer, #551 of 1680 🔗

Let them them wear muzzles. Give them leashes to go with them.

247898 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #552 of 1680 🔗

Brilliant. Keep at it. Persistence is the key!

247551 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #553 of 1680 🔗

Idea time.

Those on social media who talk of forced vaccinations, concentration camps etc – we pick out the most egregious example and report them to Prevent for radicalisation retraining. Use the system against them. Ideally someone part of a professional body who is vocally breaching their own professional standards.

Not usually my style but it needs to be done and, let’s be honest, do we need to cry any tears for someone who would have us sent to the gulag?

247620 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #554 of 1680 🔗

On the lockdown zealot side you mean, for spreading conspiracy theories. But our conspiracy theorists on the lockdown sceptics side, will be merely expressing an opinion. I like it…

247636 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #555 of 1680 🔗

Most of ‘our’ nutters are harmless. ‘Theirs’ are advocating restriction of health services, segregation and camps.

247552 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 13, #556 of 1680 🔗

Time for another meme attempt:

247592 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #557 of 1680 🔗

Lockdown theory is like someone else forcing you to hold your breath. If you don’t stop them in time you will die.

247559 Mabel Cow, 14, #558 of 1680 🔗

Here’s my jingle, sung to the tune of A finger of Fudge :

  • A vial of vaccine is just enough to trick the very thick.
  • A vial of vaccine is not enough to stop you getting sick.
  • It’s full of Pfizerly poisons you didn’t get to pick.
  • A vial of vaccine is just enough to give your kids a tic.
247560 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 19, #559 of 1680 🔗

A Romanian friend told me that Bojo and Princess Macbeth remind her of the Ceausescus

– the dictator couple that ruled Romania during communism – he a vain but weak man with an even vainer ruthless wife. Overthrown in a revolution and lined up against a wall

Never a big fan of active first ladies or first gentlemen for that matter., particularly if they are manipulative and nasty with a habit of pushing pet causes onto a less than willing nation

Sooner Bojo and nut nuts are gone the better

247643 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Aslangeo, 6, #560 of 1680 🔗

She has just got to be referred to as “nut nuts” from now on!

248164 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to RichardJames, 1, #561 of 1680 🔗

It is good isn’t it – makes me chuckle

247650 ▶▶ annie, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #562 of 1680 🔗

Here in Wales, Josef Stalin Dungford reminds me very forcibly of Ceausescu.
Hope he meets a similar fate.

248858 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #563 of 1680 🔗

Ceaucescu ran the show, but he was not alone. Many of the people that did his bidding remained in the shadows after he was overthrown.

247565 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #564 of 1680 🔗

SHOCK/HORROR: Veteran entertainer, Des O’Connor dies aged 88 and he didn’t test positive for “you know what”

247618 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #565 of 1680 🔗

Yes, but I’ll bet the headline is placed in amongst the headlines for you-know-what.

247712 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #566 of 1680 🔗


247566 Mark, replying to Mark, 20, #567 of 1680 🔗

“The friends describe the attacks on her as sexist.”

Of course they do.

“The idea that she is a woman and therefore shouldn’t have a voice is unfair,” said one. “The vitriol and bitterness towards her has been quite something, chances are they would not happen to a man.

The point is that she is not elected, and unlike other unelected advisers has bedroom access to the PM. That’s a real problem where there is clear political activism on the part of a wife/husband, lover or sex partner.

Power without responsibility.

Of course, nobody complains about such power when it is directed in a congenial direction for them. But it is clear that in this case it is directing the “Conservative” leader further down the refuse chute of soft left political correctness and wokery. That should be a concern for anyone who recognises the problem we have of lack of representation for conservatives and traditionalists.

247579 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 7, #568 of 1680 🔗

“…power without responsibility – the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages.” Stanley Baldwin

247589 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mark, 4, #569 of 1680 🔗

Quite correct and the sexism slur is just a convenient ruse to shut down justifiable criticism.

She’s adopted the role of the power behind the throne of a weakened and weak PM.

If she’s truly committed and not merely an opportunist,she should stand for election.

Interesting in this respect :


247758 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to wendyk, 3, #570 of 1680 🔗

‘Sexist’ and ‘racist’ are labels used to stop criticism by the unscrupulous.

247775 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #571 of 1680 🔗

Absolutely: the get-out-of-jail-free response.

247608 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mark, 7, #572 of 1680 🔗

Typical that a number of commentators have crawled out from under their slimy stones to allege misogyny and sexism. Lucy Beresford on BBC’s The Papers last night was one such example. It’s become a standard fall-back position, to support women who can’t otherwise be supported.

247684 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 1, #573 of 1680 🔗

I am surprised by that. I was watching the paper review on the other side (Sky) with Christina Paterson, who as expected, said much the same. Lucy Beresford is ex-City – she was Shearson Lehman Bros then BZW, according to her Wiki page. Not sure how long she was a Shearson, but a zoo perhaps best captures the environment of US investment bank trading floors of the 1980s/1990s.

247668 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 17, #574 of 1680 🔗

My long-held view – well actually since watching the brilliant Day of the Jackal again a few months ago – is that she is a plant. The vainglorious Doris, with his ‘inquisitive p….’ (Rod Liddle’s expression) was a sitting target. Where Ms Arcuri failed (or did she?) Ms Carrie succeeded.

The cries of misogyny in this case are so wide of the mark as to be laughable. She is a 32 year-old unelected mistress of a 55 year-old PM. She has a degree in theatre studies, and spent her post-university years prior to shacking up with Doris, aka, being planted on him, as a PR person in CCHQ.

She does nothing but hinder the cause of serious professional women fighting for equality of opportunity, as does Allegra Stratton, if, as reported, she burst into tears after heated discussions with Cummings and Cain. I am from a different generation and class, but the response is ‘F Off’. Alpha Male environments need Alpha Female responses.

247698 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #575 of 1680 🔗

if, as reported, she burst into tears after heated discussions with Cummings and Cain. I am from a different generation and class, but the response is ‘F Off’. Alpha Male environments need Alpha Female responses.

That’s a feminism I can respect.

247711 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 6, #576 of 1680 🔗

You will like my pre-‘Me Too’ response. As a young (16/17) year-old in Newcastle, had my backside pinched on the way to the ladies loo by a 20 something bloke stood at the bar. On my way back, he was facing the other way, so I pinched his backside. His mates fell over in fits of laughter!

247720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #577 of 1680 🔗

Second one. Saturday girl, working on checkouts of local store – similar age. Senior manager aged about 35 asked me out. I replied ‘yes, if your wife is coming too’. That shut him up!

247978 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #578 of 1680 🔗

Indeed, we had to be robust in those days. I am completely behind supporting women who are the victims of real assaults. But an inappropriate remark or a touch too far needs an “f off” or a slap.

247753 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Mark, #579 of 1680 🔗

The lack of representation for conservatives and traditionalists is because the electorate won’t vote for them.

247886 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sylvie, 2, #580 of 1680 🔗

To an extent, but that has been (as with the campaigns against Trump in the US) pushed by massive propaganda and indoctrination (led by the BBC, which did pretty much what it did for the coronapanic, but less dramatically and over decades). And now of course we are in the situation where it is actively dangerous to adopt conservative and traditionalist positions, due to the ever present threat of police harassment and criminal sanction in the most unpc cases, and due to the bias, smear and cancel culture that pervades media and social media.

In the end, we shall see if such opinions can be suppressed for ever by those who believe it to be so. But bear in mind, those people are the ones who derided any suggestion that their actions would lead to “backlash” and then started crying about “backlash” when Leave won the referendum, and when Trump was elected in the US.

They (you) are playing with fire, and have mostly gotten away with it for decades.

247988 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Sylvie, #581 of 1680 🔗

I actually think that people tell pollsters they won’t vote that way because they are brainwashed into it being an unpopular non-PC preference. It doesn’t mean they don’t vote that way given the chance.

248213 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to steph, #582 of 1680 🔗

I couldn’t care less what rubbish people might tell pollsters, I’m merely stating the obvious: people don’t vote for traditionalist, conservative views in sufficient number for savvy politicians to think it worth advocating them. Any more than they think it worth advocating communism. They know the British public vote for a sort of middle of the road Lord Wooltonish welfare state.

247568 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #583 of 1680 🔗

PCR is a fraud.

Listening to two ministers from Northern Ireland on BBC this morning and the whole discussion is totally poluuted by the assumption that PCR + = infectious. Anything that follows from that premise is false, misleading and doomed to failure from a policy perspective.

They haven’t a clue how irrelevant their late night meetings and arguments are over R0, cases, second waves, NHS stress, mass testings. Of course, their only positive is that some company boosted their stock price with announcement that hardly anyone gets covid. Shocked.

They could end this tomorrow.

247652 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #584 of 1680 🔗

They could have ended it at any time, and at some point in the early summer it would have been reasonably doable to climb down and not start mass testing.

Even Fauci said something about the PCR test over 30 cycles was meaningless.

247678 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Julian, 3, #585 of 1680 🔗

The government’s own guidance says above 30 is meaningless!!! Strangely this guidance was only published at the end of October: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr

247728 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #586 of 1680 🔗

Anothersceptic2 thanks for this link. On LS newsletters there have been several references to the UK using 45 cycles, and it was not denied when several people queried this officially. So, if the government knows 30 or more cycles produce up to 99% false positives, why are they still a) using the PCR test and b) using results to inform policy and decisions?

247743 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ShropshireLass, 4, #587 of 1680 🔗

The government and Civil Service are the enemy. They have deliberately lied to us and falsified information.

247768 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #588 of 1680 🔗

Covid is the Diagonal Steamtrap. Look up Crawford Howard if you haven’t heard of him.

247904 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mhcp, #589 of 1680 🔗

I never thought I’d encounter another person who knew about Crawford Howard and his Diagonal Steamtrap, let alone here on LS!

247576 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 12, #590 of 1680 🔗

The head of the German Army’s Institute for Aerodynamics thinks that face masks are useless and could well lead to an increase in infections.
Clearly, this is a person and a particular area of expertise where the media, virologists and politicians have NFC about, which is why it will be hard to ignore, diffamate, censor or fire him for that scientific observation.
Not that they won’t try, of course.

247634 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Jay Berger, #591 of 1680 🔗

I couldn’t find it, but someone a while back posted something say that the 2nd spike in deaths attributed to Spanish flu came about after masks were mandated/recommended. Not sure if that’s true.

247696 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #592 of 1680 🔗

What he is saying is that if people are very close together, e.g. kids in class, their nappy breath will be expelled sideways right into their neighbour’s face.
He is all for masks OUTSIDE.

247938 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to annie, #593 of 1680 🔗

He is not all for them outside.
He said they might make sense there.
Why he thinks that can’t really be derived from his comments here.
IMO, it’s still very implausible and idiotic.
And the case numbers of countries with outside mask mandares also suggest the opposite.

247578 TyRade, 21, #594 of 1680 🔗

There once was a Princess Nut Nut
Who to Dom and Lee would only tut tut
She informed her great man
There’d soon be a ban
Get Dom and Lee out or no rut rut

247587 Binra, replying to Binra, 4, #595 of 1680 🔗

Entertainment by farce, masks over entrainment by force.

Where does our willingness to align in coercive denial of human being arise and find support?

Te power behind the throne is ‘thinking’ globally and active locally, such that vertical hierarchy subverts any horizontal integration of consciousness and community.
So you only have the life allotted you under regulations, which recondition to replace human being with programming.

Is there a power behind the throne or is there a willing sacrifice of human being to a god of the wish for such power?

Fear, when set as our reality by our reaction, becomes the terrain that shapes our thought to generate our response. This operates a machine thinking, running as IF alive.

Fear, set in such actions, will only fade from non use.
Masking over protects the fear, as a way to persist in its action unknowing – and at the hand of others or conditions outside my sphere of responsibility.
Guilt and fear are thus got rid of by masking over and casting or projecting out to the narratives for the justification and protection of the mask (the protects the fear). This process persists as further masking to protect the invested narratives (that protect the mask that protects the fear).

Psychology recognises ‘psychological defences’. The mind is set in conflicts of self-evasion that can use psychology to sanctify and persist in it!

Human being is not a noun, nor mind you, is mind.
Objecting to reality makes an object reality to which we can subject our sense of self.

The more we fight it the tighter the net.
Fear and control operate both sides of a coin that generated false currency.
As if what is feared will happen IS happening.
As if what was thus experienced, (as if really happening), will happen again.
And so must be ruled out of experience by limiting thought and behaviour,
so as to give priority to such control as our protection, under ‘moral’ justifications by which to offset or mitigate loss of love and pain of isolation to social reinforcement set against a sense of self-dissonance, self-betrayal or sin – which must be ongoing got rid of onto others and world from a bubble of judgmental exceptionalism.

But we never really escape our consequences by scapegoating others or world as the evil to be eradicated or conformed, so much as manage toxic consequence under a world of self-evasive masking.
That reaction can set a mind in error falsely, is to become one who knows not what they do – because a fundamental error cascaded through all that follows.
The recognition of this simple fact offers release. But the original error is hidden under layers of defences that are the territory of particular fears, locked down in guilt and masked over, and cast out so as to ‘never be relived again!’.
But not only does this not work, it works to persist a world of only seeming escape to a deeper reinforcement in error with every invested ‘solution’.

Refusal to own our fear generates an ‘alien’ will.
Alienation from our being under a false sense of protective control that then feeds blindly on our lives because we made it in blindness of a sense of lack-driven need.

247661 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Binra, #596 of 1680 🔗

Good morning Binra.
This seems to me a wonderfully useful account of the toxic projective mechanism by which our society has created the virus as its own worst nightmare and is now locked in pointless battle with it.
I always appreciate your posts. Thank you.

247588 Mark, replying to Mark, 17, #597 of 1680 🔗

“Kamran Abbasi is mad as hell and he’s not going to take it anymore .”

Maybe, but I suspect not. The BMJ piece, as I noted yesterday , is conveniently selective in its criticisms.

No mention of or apology for the medical establishment’s suppression of sceptical opinion and information on the basis of it being supposedly “irresponsible”, and a politically partisan reference to the US government giving over-rapid approval to medical treatments with no mention of our (and other) government’s waving through a basically still experimental vaccine for mass use.

Strongly suggests their position is like that of the disgraceful Labour Party’s criticism of the government over lockdown – criticising for not doing even more damage than it did.

My guess is that Kamran and the BMJ will more than happily continue to “take it” from the panicker zealots, again and again. and will continue to enthusiastically collaborate with and enable them.

Happy to be proved wrong…..

247635 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Mark, 7, #598 of 1680 🔗

Correct in your analysis. The BMJ editorial is actually a boost in the arm for the lockdown partisans. Nowhere is there any criticism of mask mandates, societal lockdowns or any of the coercive NPI s . The only criticism seems to be the lack of diversity in SAGE members ie in the words of a former chairman of the BBC they are all too hideously white.

Trust me as having been a member of the BMA nobody who is on the editorial board would be nothing less than a 100% supporter of the Chinese approved lockdown . The Danish mask study will never be published by the BMJ.

247689 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 3, #599 of 1680 🔗

Nor does the editorial call for the government to publish all the empirical research relevant to the policy measures. I suspect the reason for this apparent oversight is the fact that the editor knows there is no such body of scientific evidence.

247648 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 6, #601 of 1680 🔗

One of the bases of the Dolan case, and Sumption’s view, is that the 1984 Act does not confer the powers the government has used and that it is unconstitutional.

247665 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Julian, 2, #602 of 1680 🔗

It’s taking a very long time to get a ruling. Are they hoping not to have to if they drag their heels for long enough?
I’m not sure I remember correctly but wasn’t the original JR denied because at the time of the ruling we were no longer in lockdown? A silly attack of optimism hopes we won’t be for much longer this time.

247685 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steph, #603 of 1680 🔗

I think it was denied on other grounds too

247677 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Julian, 1, #604 of 1680 🔗

The 1984 act requires any action to be sanctioned on an individual basis by a magistrate. Nowhere does it mention universal application of the law. The act is available to read by anyone and every provision has mention of the magistrate as the first line. I am not trained in the law.

247692 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 5, #605 of 1680 🔗

This, and as I understand it the more fundamental point that removal of basic freedoms on a general basis, by UK legal tradition, should be done by parliament and by a law that recognises those freedoms are being removed on a general basis and not specific cases as with the 1984 Act. So they should have used the Civil Contingencies Act instead, which was designed for that purpose but crucially requires a vote in parliament, and Sumption was of the view that the government used the 1984 Act in order to circumvent parliamentary scrutiny.

247599 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 15, #606 of 1680 🔗

I was just listening to Planet Rock and unfortunately the news came on.

Apparently, they want to make “spreading mis-information” about vaccines a criminal offence. Sites like this could be fined if people write words on it in this comments section for example.

Is it lawful to make spreading “information” (either true, false or “mis”) a criminal offence?

Could one consider the phrase “This new type of RNA-altering vaccine that has been developed within the last 8 months is safe for the general population to use” mis-information?

247600 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #607 of 1680 🔗

Something along the lines of ‘D’ notices which would be very difficult to do, especially these days.

247607 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #608 of 1680 🔗

I suspect that the social media companies will enthusiastically embrace the challenge, using AI to detect rogue words and phrases as they are typed in. And the mainstream broadcasters and newspapers will absolutely obey D-Notices. Anything that does leak past the social media filters will be denounced as untrustworthy fake news.

247645 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, #609 of 1680 🔗

They already have embraced the challenge, and have been doing so for years.

247611 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dan Clarke, #610 of 1680 🔗

You do know D notices still exist? They are called DSMA notices nowadays.

247909 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #611 of 1680 🔗

Just the fact that anti vaccination info is pretty much ‘cancelled’ and now they want it to be a criminal offence makes me absolutely certain that vaccination is a vile and nasty way to control our lives whilst making more money than we can even imagine. I was never against vaccinations per se for incredibly serious diseases when there was no other method of controlling them. However, they are now bombarding immature immune systems and aged and depleted immune systems with multiple vaccines. As a kid we had a handful of vaccinations but now it’s dozens for diseases that are treatable and not even common. The rise of asthma and autism is in direct correlation with the rise in totally unnecessary vaccines. How can Boris say that anti vaxxers are nuts when the Govt pay out millions (instead of the pharma companies themselves) for vaccine damage?

248190 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mutineer, 2, #612 of 1680 🔗

Saying you don’t want to have a vaccine because it simply cannot have gone through enough rigorous testing in 5 months, when it would normally take at least 5 years cannot be classed as misinformation can it? If you are just protecting yourself from something you consider could harm you, how can anyone say that is down to any misinformation. And anyway – free speech????????????

248026 ▶▶ guy153, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #613 of 1680 🔗

It doesn’t alter RNA. It just has RNA in it that gets made into antigens.

There are some risks with the new vaccines but they aren’t going to “alter” anyone’s DNA or RNA.

248896 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to guy153, #614 of 1680 🔗

Yeah? Who told you that?

247604 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 13, #615 of 1680 🔗

Would resurrecting the label ‘conscientious objectors’ help our cause I wonder? What do others think?

All suggestions welcome.

247619 ▶▶ steph, replying to wendyk, 14, #616 of 1680 🔗

I immediately reacted “no”. Then I thought about it and the parallels are strong. We are in a fight for our lives, freedoms and health. We are led by vain and corrupt fools. So, I think “yes” is actually my considered answer. We have consciences and we use them to object to the egregious harm being done and choose not to participate in the harms (masking, vaccines etc).

247644 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steph, 5, #617 of 1680 🔗

I like it. I understand more and more of the bravery of those people – who were near-universally reviled. And they were “conscientious”. They were not cowards or fantasists and they did not want to let the Nazis rip.

247708 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to wendyk, 1, #618 of 1680 🔗

Good idea.

247771 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #619 of 1680 🔗

Thanks to all for your comments; where do we go from here? Should we switch to using it?

I wonder what Toby and the other site masters will think?

Please keep adding your valuable comments and suggestions.

247900 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to wendyk, 3, #620 of 1680 🔗

I like the term conscientious objector very much.
LS should be renamed as well to help us bring more people to the truth.
As soon as I mention the words ‘lockdown sceptic’ people glaze over. I’m not having any luck at all converting any of my friends from their current fear of this virus.
I’m getting so many sleepless nights now, I can’t face any shopping except to the corner shop where I can show my face. I do go to the woods, walk on the beach and try to forget I’m living in a science fiction movie. But yes basically I’m a hermit – oops isn’t that what they wanted:-)

247933 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Marialta, 4, #621 of 1680 🔗

So am I Marialta; I live a virtually solitary life and loathe shopping. I do have a few friends, but 2 are lockdown adherents, while the the third is far more sensible.

I’ve only made 1 convert to date.

Very few contacts with family members and masks are worn everywhere here, so in thrall are folk to FM Sturgeon’s diktats and telly performances.

I hope we’ll be able to use the term more widely and thus gain more support.

We can but hope.

248862 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendyk, #622 of 1680 🔗

Become a Christian Scientist. Temporarily, of course.

247605 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #623 of 1680 🔗

Emergency Laws to Stamp Out Free Speech 🤐 | Carl Vernon

247624 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #624 of 1680 🔗

Why don’t they just pass an “emergency law” which states…

“All MPs MUST vote for everything the government wants. After this emergency law, there will be no need for MPs (who mainly voted how they were told to anyway)

This would help the government no end in tackling this deadly, terrifying and highly contagious virus and will help the British Public achieve their dream of Zero Covid in time for Christmas 2025.”

…and be done with it?

247633 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #625 of 1680 🔗

The Coronavirus Act 2020 Part 2 Section 90 gives the government the authority to rule by ministerial decree.

247638 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #626 of 1680 🔗

There’s no need. The opposition votes with the government anyway. Woohoo the CRG has 70 members. So 580 against. Parliament has become the Supreme Soviet.

247666 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #627 of 1680 🔗

Aha, but it’s 70 people with backbone against 580 grovelling, spineless cowards. Much shorter odds than you might think.

248192 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to captainbeefheart, #628 of 1680 🔗

They don’t have to pass that law – Sir Kneel has already said they will do that anyway.

247730 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #629 of 1680 🔗

Medical fascism, good knows what they are injecting us with if they want it to be mandatory. All part of the sinister Great Reset enslaving the masses agenda.

Viruses such as whooping cough can kill the elderly yet they don’t even offer vaccine boosters to people who want them – the childhood vaccine wears off over the years as I found out.

247623 Adam, replying to Adam, 5, #630 of 1680 🔗

Anyone who supports lockdowns or this government and the Labour party deserve all they get

248193 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Adam, 1, #631 of 1680 🔗

They do – I just wish they weren’t dragging us down with them

247631 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 11, #632 of 1680 🔗

Under a headline “Coronavirus infection rates continue to rise” our local rag tells us that in our two major hospitals which must serve several hundred thousand people there were ten “Covid patients” on November 3. Ten! Just when you think that this “crisis” cannot hit new levels of absurdity.

247640 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Bill Hickling, 6, #633 of 1680 🔗

The longer they continue the more people will wake up, they’re actually shooting themselves in the food by prolonging this for so long.

247682 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #634 of 1680 🔗

I think so too, which is why I expect further steps in the agenda to follow within months – at he latest.

247691 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to calchas, 2, #635 of 1680 🔗

But the more word gets round the more people will stop believing anything the government say. You can only lie so much before even the stupidest person puts 2 and 2 together.

247700 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #636 of 1680 🔗

The stupidest 80% of people in the UK would quite happily accept that 2and2 make 5, or whatever total the Fascist liars push on to them.

247641 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #637 of 1680 🔗

What do they mean by “infection rates”?

247646 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Julian, 1, #638 of 1680 🔗

Exactly, collectively we need to contact these places pointing them at the governments own “guidance” that says a PCR test cannot be used to confirm whether someone is even infected, let alone infectious.

247681 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #639 of 1680 🔗

And do they actually mean “rate” as in +ve tests per 100 or do they mean raw numbers?

247709 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Julian, #640 of 1680 🔗

They have the regional ONS stats I believe which show new cases and infection rates. 185 and 140 per 100,000 for example in our area.

247651 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 16, #641 of 1680 🔗

I just happened to click on the BBC website (I know, I know) and the headline is:

“Normal life back next winter” says vaccine creator.

How many more times are they going to kick this can down the road. And how much more psychological abuse will people be willing to take before they finally crack.

247653 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to kh1485, 2, #642 of 1680 🔗

No one I’ve spoken to (which obviously is only a small amount of people) are not taking any notice of any or restrictions over Christmas so they’ll have to then try and spin rising cases in the weeks following.

247654 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 7, #643 of 1680 🔗

This is the strategy – keep dangling a carrot.

247657 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to leggy, 6, #644 of 1680 🔗

The fact that every major news outlet keeps referring to cases as infections shows the level of corruption going on. Even the smallest outlet I’m assuming are still drip fed news from AP/Reuters etc.

247706 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 2, #645 of 1680 🔗

Revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

247995 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #646 of 1680 🔗

I want lots and lots of extra helpings.

248008 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 5, #647 of 1680 🔗

I think we should make more than we think we will want in the first place. Batch cooking, if you like.

247658 Fingerache Philip., 9, #648 of 1680 🔗

Update on Wolverhampton anti lockdown protest.
In the words of the Express and star newspaper: “Some were shouting no to masks and we want our freedom back” ,note : “some” not, some people.
Apparently we are just “Some” now.
According to the aforementioned paper, there were 150 marchers and 12 arrests, but in my experience, the E&S have never been overly bothered about the truth.

247659 ShropshireLass, replying to ShropshireLass, 34, #649 of 1680 🔗

Hopefully the Devon reader whose experience with their local health food store refusing entry to customers who are exempt and instead saying they would be served at the door will consult the Equality Act 2010, because that practice is discrimination and in breach of said Act. The same situation arose at 2 stores in my local small market town. I was Chair of a countywide employers’ Disability Forum pre-retirement and had had undertaken several courses on equality and discrimination, so had some knowledge of the EA. I also consulted the legal helpline on my house insurance policy to get up to date information in relation to the coronavirus situation. I also did some checks on line using different credible sources to verify the points I intended using in my challenge. I then composed a polite but factual letter to the managers of both stores, explaining the legal position and providing a comparable situation they could hopefully relate to: if they applied the same approach to a black person or a muslim for example, then this would be clear discrimination on race or religious grounds. The same applies to those with mask exemptions, and the only persons who are legitimately permitted to challenge unmasked customers or ask them to leave or refuse them entry are officers designated as such in the relevant Health Protection Regulations. Both notices were removed and replaced within a week with notices that added ‘except those who are exempt’.

Imogen Jolley from solicitors Simpson Millar said: “The legislation clearly states that some people are exempt from the new rules which require members of the public to wear a face covering when in a shop, confined public space, or on public transport.
“However, while it’s relatively easy to see if a child is of a certain age, some disabilities are less apparent and there are worrying reports to suggest that some people are being singled out as a result. That amounts to discrimination.
“It’s absolutely essential that supermarket chiefs and shop managers act now to educate their employees over the rights of disabled people specifically with the terms of the new rules in mind to prevent individuals being refused entry , turned away or asked to leave.
“If not, they would be in breach of the Regulations introduced in relation to the wearing of face coverings and their Equality Act Duties.”

247664 ▶▶ annie, replying to ShropshireLass, 14, #650 of 1680 🔗

That is great work.

247672 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to ShropshireLass, 14, #651 of 1680 🔗

Are you able to tell me if this would apply to my employer? I teach in a university. So far, my mask exemption has been accepted, but all my students have been asked in advance if they are willing to be taught in person by me (rather than on zoom). They have all agreed so far, but is there any chance that giving them this choice contravenes my rights under the Equality Act?

247695 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Alethea, 4, #652 of 1680 🔗

Alethea. The employment situation is a little different and is more complex. It depends partly on the risk assessment the employer conducted. You would need to discuss this with the H&S officer initially and ask to see the risk assessment and the evidence they are using to support that particular control measure. If you use the medical grounds (rather than the very broader exemption relating to you believing it is likely to cause you harm – which applies to everyone actually if the scientific results of numerous studies are accurate!) and go down this route you would need to be confident any information held by HR would back this up, since you would need to provide proof of a medical or disability exemption. If you have legal cover on your house insurance policy I would ring them for free advice – but do as I did and check out the relevant pieces of legislation first – advice varies and that given over the phone is often initially through a paralegal not a fully qualified solicitor and it is also an area of law that requires more in-depth knowledge. If you are in a union I would also check with them – but again – do your homework first, then you can ask the right questions and prompt with the most appropriate points or queries.

247998 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to ShropshireLass, #653 of 1680 🔗

Thank you, SL, that’s helpful. I appreciate your taking the time to respond so fully.

247849 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Alethea, 1, #654 of 1680 🔗

It’s horrible that they are asking your students that, but heartening that they have all said yes so far.

If some of them say no, will the in-person lessons go ahead with a Zoom feed for those who want to stay away?

248003 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Julian, 1, #655 of 1680 🔗

No, I think if any one refuses to be taught by me in person, the whole seminar would take place on zoom. Teaching on zoom has by now become the standard at my university; I don’t know of anyone else who is still engaging in the quaint old-time practice of teaching in person.

248040 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Alethea, 1, #656 of 1680 🔗

Well I hope they all say yes then, though if I were a student I might be conflicted if it were a choice between in-person teaching with a mask on, on a masked campus, and online with no mask.

I suspect many Unis will never fully go back to in-person teaching.

I know at UCL they used to broadcast lectures anyway, even when most people were attending them. I guess a seminar would be more interactive and accommodating some online interaction would be awkward – though not impossible, given the right technology, which I am sure is already available and used frequently at least in the world of business.

247662 annie, replying to annie, 40, #657 of 1680 🔗

This is not a rhetorical question. I know the experts here will be able to clarify.

If the virus is so infectious that I can infect somebody else just by breathing on them for an instant, in the open air, from just under six feet away, how come I need to poke a swab right down my throat and right up my nose in order to get a specimen ? Why can’t I just exhale on the swab?

247667 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to annie, 19, #658 of 1680 🔗

Yep, the whole covie larp has more holes in it than a string vest and yet most people still buy into it! I must have missed the brainwashing rays/mind altering stuff in the water phase back in March.

247679 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 5, #659 of 1680 🔗

My LS friend posited the awful suggestion about the test breaking the blood/brain barrier. Don’t know if this has any basis in fact but it sounds pretty bloody sinister to me.

247757 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to kh1485, 3, #660 of 1680 🔗

No basis whatever. Don’t worry about it.

248562 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 2, #661 of 1680 🔗

Some people have left testing centres with blood coming from their noses due to incompetent testing staff. I would NEVER allow anyone to do that part of the test for me. Actually, I won’t voluntarily have the test, but there we go.

247683 ▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, 4, #662 of 1680 🔗

Will be interesting to hear what an expert might say, but surely common sense would suggest that breathing just gives a risk of transmission and a possibility of containing the virus, whereas for a test you want more confidence that you will get it in your sample if it’s there.

247687 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 1, #663 of 1680 🔗

That seems to make sense, what do other informed folk think?

247710 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mark, 7, #664 of 1680 🔗

But I wonder, why does the swab have to be taken from the back of the mouth and right up the nose? Why not your tongue, and not so far up your nose?

247718 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tenchy, 6, #665 of 1680 🔗

To keep your DNA on record

247762 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to stefarm, 5, #666 of 1680 🔗

You can recover DNA perfectly well from an inside of the cheek swab.

247779 ▶▶▶▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to stefarm, 8, #667 of 1680 🔗

Excellent (worrying) point. According to genewatch.org, “ Nearly 10% of the UK’s population (about 6 million people) is on the National DNA database compared to Austria, which has the 2nd largest proportion of the population on its police database at just over 1%.”

And, to give you a flavour of the comparative extent of CCTV surveillance in the UK – according to a BBC Newsnight investigation: “ One of the most dramatic revelations is that both the Shetland Islands Council and Corby Borough Council – among the smallest local authorities in the UK – have more CCTV cameras than the San Francisco Police Department.”

So the police-state type behaviour of the police throughout this omnishambles should come as no revelation.

247841 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, #668 of 1680 🔗

I assume (but this is based on no specialist knowledge) that this point was chosen as the most likely accessible location from whence to take a positive specimen if the virus is present in the person tested.

248866 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tenchy, #669 of 1680 🔗

They are sadists, that’s why.

247686 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to annie, 10, #670 of 1680 🔗

The government decided on the 19th of March, about a week before the first lockdown, that covid was no longer a highly contagious infections disease (hcid): https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

That meant they deemed it less of a threat than sars 1, mers amongst others but yet still have pressed on and lied to the public for the best part of 6 months+ that we’re all going to die from it.

247813 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #671 of 1680 🔗

4 strains of avian flu are still on there too. Yet we’re constantly told this is worse than flu.

248869 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Anothersceptic2, #672 of 1680 🔗

That’s right. What a coup!

247690 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to annie, 3, #673 of 1680 🔗

You’re not supposed to ask that Annie!

247697 ▶▶ alw, replying to annie, 2, #674 of 1680 🔗

Someone posted elsewhere that the swab has to bypass the tongue and touch the tonsils. Some people have had their tonsils removed!!

247703 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 6, #675 of 1680 🔗

Yes, when I was in primary school, tonsils were being whipped out like champagne corks at a society wedding.

247741 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 2, #676 of 1680 🔗

I don’t got no manby panby tonsils!

247770 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to annie, #677 of 1680 🔗

Indeed. Mine got removed on the grounds my twin brother had trouble with his.

247766 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to alw, #678 of 1680 🔗

Mine too… and if they hand it to you to do who knows where it went.

247780 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to alw, #679 of 1680 🔗

It’s the palatine tonsils that are usually removed (we have 4 sets altogether if my memory of anatomy is sound). There are some in the nasopharynx, which I guess is what they’re aiming for by swabbing up the nose….

247873 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Charlie Blue, #680 of 1680 🔗

The adenoids. There’s no way I could swab my own tonsils without gagging. I suspect that most people don’t actually swab their tonsillar area at all.
Also if you’ve had a tonsillectomy, depending on the efficacy of the surgeon you are likely to have some tonsillar tissue left. You can still get a strep throat.

247993 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, 2, #681 of 1680 🔗

Adenoids. The shock horror story of the 1950s.
Along with the dreadful sin of Breathing Through the Mouth – which is now, for the nappied, the only possible way to breathe.

247818 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to alw, 3, #682 of 1680 🔗

I went into hospital to have grommets fitted in my ears as a child. They took my tonsils out instead. They’ll be swabbing a long time if they try to find mine.

247717 ▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 3, #683 of 1680 🔗

That’s dangerous logic that should be banned from social media!!!!

Actually – precisely my question, annie. It makes absolutely no sense at all, and leads to the thought that, like mask wearing, the PCR pantomime is primarily about compliance and subjugation.

If you need to stuff a swab right up the nose and down the throat – and then amplify the result 40 times to get a positive result, it would indeed be massively surprising if you were at all infectious.

247970 ▶▶▶ Paul Hughes, replying to RickH, 3, #684 of 1680 🔗

Amplifiy it by 2 to the power of 40, I believe.

247738 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #685 of 1680 🔗
247699 Paul B, 12, #686 of 1680 🔗

What you call “Spin” I was raised to call lies.

247707 John P, replying to John P, 16, #687 of 1680 🔗

Sorry, I know I confuse some of you. That’s the price of thinking for yourself. That’s why more people don’t do it. You that believe that it is all planned might consider yourselves rebels, but here, within the narrow confines of this message board that belief signals conformity.

A herd of black sheep is still a herd of sheep.

I agree that Gates and Schwab are creepy. And I strongly resist mandated vaccines and all other forms of social control. But I don’t agree that there is a global conspiracy afoot and that our government is in on it.

I know I will be probably be voted down for saying that. Fine. But it is my view – insult me all you like – I will not change it for you. I will not lie about my opinions to please you.

247726 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 8, #688 of 1680 🔗

it’s not a global conspiracy. lol

247729 ▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 12, #689 of 1680 🔗

I don’t go for conspiracies either. It’s unfair to vote somebody down for that.

I would add that, as M. R. James said of ghosts, ‘I am prepared to consider evidence, and accept it if it satisfies me.’

It’s no good any of us jamming our fingers in our ears and chanting ‘lalala’ every time somebody adduces a rival argument. That’s what zombies do.

247731 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to John P, 7, #690 of 1680 🔗

I must admit that I feel out of place here sometimes.

I’m not a lockdown sceptic, I’m dead against it.

Didn’t mind at first when I thought it was the plague, but after about a month, I became sceptical.

Now after looking into it a bit more I’m no longer sceptical.

247820 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #691 of 1680 🔗

Good distinction. I reckon many of us have trodden that path – from willingness to accept that short-term measures might be justified on the basis of then available information … to conviction that the official narrative is a concoction of fantasy and plain lies.

.. and no – it isn’t confirmation bias. It’s the result of examining the evidence and identifying absolute falsehoods with increasing frequency as the narrative revealed its inherent conflict with reality.

247832 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #692 of 1680 🔗

Good point. I guess scepticism was the starting point, but now probably “lockdown dissenter” is a better description.

I think almost everyone here is dead against it so no need to feel out of place.

247735 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to John P, 4, #693 of 1680 🔗

I respect your opinion, but would be interested in your thoughts then on the significance of the Great Reset, and Johnson’s recent conflab with Gates about leading a world immunisation programme.

247752 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to John P, 4, #694 of 1680 🔗

I vote you up for that! Yeadon’s ‘Confluence of interests’ is more accurate in my view, with actors trying to bend the ‘pandemic’ and policy responses to their agendas.

247803 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #695 of 1680 🔗

Agreed. I am wary of all-embracing Bond-like conspiracies, but there is definitely a network of overlapping interests pushing this narrative and actively conspiring to limit the information that gets through.

247776 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 8, #696 of 1680 🔗

I completely respect anyone’s opinion as long as they respect mine. I think it’s clear to all of us that the global reaction to this is preposterous. It’s also clear that governments are are singing from the same songsheet and they’re certainly parroting the WEF mantras regarding resets, 4th ind. revolutions and building back better. Is that a conspiracy? Each person has to make their own mind up.

247782 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John P, 1, #697 of 1680 🔗

I don’t believe it’s a conspiracy. I think it’s down to years of programming (not literally) and we are reaching a point where everyone is being/has been conditioned to only think in one way.

247786 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 6, #698 of 1680 🔗


on January 13th the French authorities decided to make sales of HCQ ‘prescription only’. The drug had previously been available over the counter in France for more than 60 years. This was a mere 4 days after the first alleged fatality in Wuhan.

Given the controversy over HCQ and the possibility that early use of this drug might have saved a considerable number of lives, is that not interesting, as is the fact that by 2020 it has already been known ffor 15 years that HCQ was effective against SarsCov2.

Does this little vignette not raise in your mind the possibility of some level of foreknowledge?

247838 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, #699 of 1680 🔗

I agree this is fishy, but playing devil’s advocate could it have been to prevent shortages?

At what point did Trump start talking about it? Possibly later than that.

247857 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 2, #700 of 1680 🔗


March 19th according to this.

There will only be a shortage if people use the drug and find it works.

Surely, all and every possible treatment or cure for an illness should be at least continued.

Right from the beginning it was made clear that a vaccine was the only possible way to go.


247901 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 1, #701 of 1680 🔗


It’s still possible the French were aware it might work and wanted to be able to control the use. I agree it is suspicious but doesn’t quite amount to a smoking gun.

Once the initial statements about how deadly it was had been made, the vaccine was the only thing that allowed the doomsters to get out of it without admitting they were wrong

We may never know, though the next few months will tell us more

I hope you are wrong

Any road up, the UK government could still walk away from this if they wanted – I am not saying there would not be consequences, but they have a choice, and as such in the first instance they are the people who have to be shifted and they are the people who are most guilty

248131 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Julian, 1, #702 of 1680 🔗

Then you have to add in the completely fraudulent and fallacious Surgisphere ‘study’ that the Lancet saw fit to publish, before the open letter from hundreds of physicians and scientists from around the world objected, and the Lancet were forced to retract. Basically, they were found out. And that was supposed to have been peer-reviewed.
And the Lancet publication of the Surgisphere ‘study findings’ immediately led to the halting other HCQ trials around the world.

247792 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 3, #703 of 1680 🔗


we will not insult you, however much you would like us to. 🙂

It is good to have your opinion.

247828 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 3, #704 of 1680 🔗

I think opinions here are fairly well spread across this spectrum. Possibly those more on the “global reset” end are more vocal as TY seems to trigger them by not referring to it and talking about the motivations more from a domestic politics point of view.

247842 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 1, #705 of 1680 🔗

“We all know Wikipedia is a micro-managed propaganda organ , so the fact its page on the Spanish Flu began a huge uptick of edits in December 2019, rising steadily until February 2020, and that the bulk of these edits seem concerned with – subtly and overtly – downgrading the severity of the 1918 pandemic has to be of interest.

Why the sudden decision to vastly downgrade the estimated CFR for the 1918 pandemic and source to a rather obscure WHO article that doesn’t even focus on that issue? And, more importantly, why does this extreme downgrade still exist on the page even when editors are pointing out the impossibility of the figures ?


248699 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to John P, #706 of 1680 🔗

I agree with you and voted you up . You’re not alone there is a few of us here but we may well be in a minority . Instead of arguing we have to lead from the front .

247714 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 12, #707 of 1680 🔗

Remember that golden comedy. “Yes, Prime Minister” all about the comic machinations at No 10 with Paul Eddington in the lead role? The BBC are going to revive it, only this time it’s going to be called “Yes, Darling”.

247721 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to OKUK, 1, #708 of 1680 🔗

😅 😅

247759 ▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, 4, #709 of 1680 🔗

Imagine how utterly pointless a satirical comedy show about politics would be when made by such an irretrievably pc and woke organisation as the BBC. Come to think of it, we don’t have to imagine

247715 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #710 of 1680 🔗

Yes, simple practical common sense precautions are in place like hand sanitizer stations and masks on the small bush planes, but that’s about it.

Excuse me, is this the Lockdown Sceptics’ page or SPI-B’s?

247760 ▶▶ leggy, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #711 of 1680 🔗

I do wonder sometimes. Just goes to show how much change some people are willing to accept for a taste of normality. I’m afraid it’s zero tolerance for me.

247793 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #712 of 1680 🔗

I was surprised actually. I thought Tanzania were having none of it. Been high on my wish list of destinations a as a result.

247864 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Adamb, 2, #713 of 1680 🔗

I guess they are catering to people who come from countries where sanitizing and face coverings are the norm and expect this so they feel “safe”.
The great unthinking lot who go along with everything and hope the great unwashed plebs, who spread the virus, one day will get all put into camps so they can get on with their middle class life.

247929 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Adamb, 3, #714 of 1680 🔗

I think masks on planes must have something to do with International FAA regulation.
Even Sweden’s SAS and Air Tanzania can’t avoid it.
(Although the German Army scientist’s findings, which I quoted earlier here, suggest that masks on planes, trains etc. actually increase the spread of the virus!)
Not sure about Qantas and AirNZ etc.
A maskfree weekly charter flight from London to Zanzibar or Dar would be heaven on Earth these days.
And sold out quickly.
Because otherwise, I have only heard that Tanzania is mask-free.

247986 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #715 of 1680 🔗

yes yes YES

247723 annie, replying to annie, 13, #716 of 1680 🔗

Much encouraged this morning by singing John Bunyan’s hymn. (All alone on Castle Hill, not in the Coward Church of Tenby, where singing is an unthinkable blasphemy against the Covid God.) Bunyan knew what it was to be vilified and imprisoned for going against the consensus.

Whoso beset him round
with dismal stories,
do but themselves confound;
his strength the more is.
No lion can him fright,
he’ll with a giant fight,
but he will have a right
to be a pilgrim.

Hobgoblin nor foul fiend
can daunt his spirit:
he knows he at the end
shall life inherit.
Then fancies fly away,
he’ll fear not what men say,
he’ll labour night and day
to be a pilgrim.

Hearts up, fellow pilgrims!

247737 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to annie, #717 of 1680 🔗

Thanks, Annie. I think I will use that as a basis for some Greek Prose Composition.
Or maybe even Greek Verse Composition.

247967 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 1, #718 of 1680 🔗

That would be great. Bunyan deserves no less.
I used to do Latin verse, long ago. I could turn out quite a pretty Sapphic.
I think I was the only candidate for the verse composition paper when I took Latin A level. Lord, how frustrating it always was when I’d worked out a lovely line and then found a false quantity bang in the middle!

247823 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to annie, 1, #719 of 1680 🔗

Always loved that hymn.

247844 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to annie, 1, #720 of 1680 🔗

One of my favourite hymns – though I always sang different words – no foe shall stay his might/though he with giants fight/he will make good his right/to be a pilgrim.

Never even remotely religious but love a good hymn!

247881 ▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to annie, 4, #721 of 1680 🔗

The Government prefers Sheep May Safely Graze. Not so much a hymn, more a temporary lifting of restrictions.

247985 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dave Tee, 2, #722 of 1680 🔗

Yes, Flocks in Pastures Green Abiding – until it’s time for roast mutton.
It wasn’t originally a hymn, but a grovel to the local German princeling. Just be good little sheeples and everything will be fine and anyway, here’s a very pretty tune.

Wo Regenten wohl regieren
Kann man Lust und Frieden spüren,
Und was Länder glücklich macht.

248084 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to annie, 2, #723 of 1680 🔗

You’d make a great traditionalist (everything’s in Latin) Catholic, Annie. You are struggling now in a Christian communion that is totally controlled by the LGBTquerty group, especially in Wales. I won’t pretend that all is fine under our Peronist, globalist pope. But there is some opposition to modernism, at least. And someone of your intellectual gifts would find plenty to engage you in our spiritual heritage. Don’t rule it out, please.

247724 Justaname, replying to Justaname, 7, #724 of 1680 🔗

Hello. In the USA people usually don’t go to the hospital unless they have been in an accident (car, shooting, etc.), having a baby or intricate surgery like heart surgery. Hospital admissions are very expensive and can force you into bankruptcy. So my question is, who are all of these people going to the hospital with COVID in the UK? Are they birthing mothers, car accident victims, sex change patients?

Hospitalization in the USA is a luxury not an everyday occurrence. I have never gone to the doctor or the hospital because of a flu.

247876 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Justaname, 3, #725 of 1680 🔗

In the UK all the specialists “operate” out of hospital. For example if you want a scan or a ultra sound, you need to have an outpatients appointment. But of course that is not overnight. But it indicates how British healthcare is focused on delivering health care in hospital.
So in my opinion people are used to have to go to hospital. and it is free.
As people cannot access certain procedures or even a doctor outside of hospital, they are also more ill once they get into the system.
I grew up with a very different system in Germany, and I avoid the NHS.

247880 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Justaname, #726 of 1680 🔗

Probably, people who are getting surgery for stuff in general, lumps and bumps, ladies stuff, circulation issues, heart things, then elective surgery, hips/knees, then ill people with diabetes, COPD, cancer, organ issues, older people, then very old people who hurt themselves, falls, strokes, and a few accidents here and there.

248017 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Two-Six, #727 of 1680 🔗

And a high proportion don’t have it on arrival, but test positive after admission.

248222 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #728 of 1680 🔗

Doctor Two-Six?

248328 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 1, #729 of 1680 🔗

hehe. I think I covered that one fairly well

247727 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 36, #730 of 1680 🔗

I am disappointed that the mind-numbingly infantile histrionics at No 10 are being prioritised on this site above the BMJ editorial. The latter is far more pertinent in our current predicament, the former is merely more distraction. We need to focus our efforts on exposing the lies rather than wasting our time with pusillanimous personalities and their pathetic inadequacies.

247744 ▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #731 of 1680 🔗

Fully agree!

There are a number of side-shows being created to divert and occupy attention.

A criminal gang has set up a free, all-night circus on the outskirts of town for all the townspeople…to leave all their homes unprotected, which they will find ransacked when they return home in the morning.

Let’s learn to distinguish between the circus acts and the criminal gang(s) who employ them and what their real objectives are.

(We also need to be vigilant of those who keep insisting that the circus and its clowns are the only show in town and there is nothing else going on….)

247765 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Humanity First, 2, #732 of 1680 🔗

Aye, bread and circuses, ’twas ever thus, it seems we never learn.

247745 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #733 of 1680 🔗

On the one hand that’s an understandable response, but on the other – these are the people taking the real decisions that are putting us into lockdowns and savaging our economy, society and culture. It would be nice to be able to ignore them and their nonsense, but we can be assured they will not be leaving us alone.

Is it more or less important to us than the BMJ’s piece? Well, on that consider my comment below and the response by Peter Thompson . We shall see.

247811 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Mark, 1, #734 of 1680 🔗

There is only one hand that matters in this case at this point in time: the royal flush of real scientific evidence (they don’t have any aces) that disproves the idea that lockdowns are in any way beneficial or necessary. Everything else, while superficially fascinating perhaps, is chaff which can be safely ignored until after the central fallacy has been exposed once and for all. Don’t be fooled.

247819 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Hieronimusb, #735 of 1680 🔗

True, and I doubt Mark is “fooled” – but what happens in government in part determines how that real scientific evidence is used, allowed to be exposed to the public

247874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Julian, 2, #736 of 1680 🔗

No, I don’t suppose he is and I quite understand the point he and you are making. However, the way to deal with this situation is to be single minded about promoting scientific truth rather than engaging in casuistic intercourse with those who have long ago deserted such a notion. We cannot afford to be sent hither and yon on any number of wild goose chases which govt can produce at the drop of a hat; neither can we influence how govt disseminates false scientific evidence unless we first of all destroy it.

247827 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Hieronimusb, #737 of 1680 🔗

Logically you might well be correct. Politically, it doesn’t appear so, at least on any imminently useful timescale.

And unfortunately it’s winning the political (broadly defined) argument that actually matters in terms of influencing people and, more vitally, policy.

247894 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Mark, #738 of 1680 🔗

‘And unfortunately it’s winning the political (broadly defined) argument that actually matters in terms of influencing people and, more vitally, policy.’

And this can happen without first exposing the fallacy on which the policy is based?

247918 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #739 of 1680 🔗

There’s more than one fallacy on which this disaster is based, and exposing them has limited political effect. We have known beyond reasonable dispute for quite a long time now that lockdowns have no benefit, that mass imposition of masks has no benefit, that this disease is not significantly more dangerous to society than existing seasonal diseases, let alone pandemic flus, etc.

Those pushing the panic simply ignore these points.

That’s what you can do when your side controls the political and media high ground.

Not saying the point you raise is not important, vitally important even. Just that it’s never going to be sufficient in itself. As to how we can win the political argument, well, … politically. That includes attacking on every front including the one you highlight. Facts about the disease and policy responses, civil rights issues and protest, “insider” political resistance, politically discrediting those pushing it in government and “opposition”, …

248001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Mark, #740 of 1680 🔗

Hmm.. If we can achieve sufficiently wide public acceptance of the scientific truth, then the politics must inevitably change to reflect this. Attempting to reverse the process or equivocate about it will serve to invite yet more prevarication, I fear. I think we fundamentally agree about the overall objective!

248829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Hieronimusb, #741 of 1680 🔗

I am sure we do agree about the ultimate objective. There’s room for disagreement about the best route forward, of course.

247732 John P, replying to John P, 2, #742 of 1680 🔗

Two great recent sceptic podcasts:

Laura Perrins interviewed by James Delingpole:

Lionel Shriver interviewed by Brendan O’Neill on Spiked:

247742 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to John P, 7, #743 of 1680 🔗

Particularly recommend Lionel Shriver – I like her quote about Kamala Harris – ” she sounds like somebody who as a child had too many pictures of hers stuck to the fridge by her parents” – meaning that she was somebody praised so much as a kid that she has limited self awareness

247755 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #744 of 1680 🔗

She is a bit more devious though – ask Willie Brown. Another Ms Carrie, and Ms Meghan?

247761 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to John P, #745 of 1680 🔗

The Laura Perkins podcast is very much worth a listen. The #1 podcast with James Dellingpole is the one last month with Mike Yeadon. It really is a must listen and must share ( Vallance has questions to answer in a court of law).

But he does not have the reach of the BBC. And that’s the problem.

247740 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 21, #746 of 1680 🔗

Why is this not mainstream news and being shouted from the rooftops? https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/new-mass-testing-results-more-19279105 over 60,000 tested, less than 400 positive. There is effectively no virus in Liverpool (or anywhere else).

247748 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Neil Hartley, #747 of 1680 🔗

because the spin will be that they’re all infectious, so it’ll be reported as “infection” rates of almost 300 per 100,000

247756 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Neil Hartley, 7, #748 of 1680 🔗

Even if there was a virus, it’s no reason to destroy our lives and the economy

247789 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 1, #749 of 1680 🔗

That’s not how They think and operate.

247890 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 1, #750 of 1680 🔗

So, there must be another reason.

248005 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Ben, #751 of 1680 🔗

Reason; no. Pretext; yes.

247788 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #752 of 1680 🔗

By now the main goal is just to boost PROFITS for the PHARMA INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX… billions of fake tests provide billions of extra profits.

247835 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Neil Hartley, #753 of 1680 🔗

That’s a lot of scaremongering claptrap in that article. They lead with scarey pictures of masked troops on the streets, and state there are ‘400 asymptomatic carriers’ without putting it into a percentage of those tested, or any kind of context.

247858 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Neil Hartley, #754 of 1680 🔗

Military Police (redcaps) in that article.

247746 leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #755 of 1680 🔗

Nudge, nudge, drip, drip.

247774 ▶▶ IanE, replying to leggy, 1, #756 of 1680 🔗

Hmm, not much use against ‘millions of jobs down the Swanee’!

248198 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to IanE, #757 of 1680 🔗

Yes, but it might create jobs also…so what is your idea for changes in work that were coming well before this fiasco?

247784 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 8, #758 of 1680 🔗

So 1000’s of new countryside wardens, supplied by G4S, with 4×4’s that have covid safety screens, ppe dispensers and quick access test kits in the grab bags as well as the first aid gear.
All vehicles equipped with CCTV, night vision and lenses to record transgressions of the myriad of new rules that now control everything in every open space in the country that is now a national park.

Brilliant, can’t wait.

No more will the countryside will be a haven from The New Normal.

247814 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, 5, #759 of 1680 🔗

Dogging Outreach Co-Ordinators. Tasked with tackling the under-representation of BAME and LGBTQI persons in the rural dogging community.

247837 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cranmer, 2, #760 of 1680 🔗

Repetitive Beat detectors

247785 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to leggy, 1, #761 of 1680 🔗

They do need to take advantage of OPERATION COVID motion in order to move to the next wonderful operation… OPERATION GREAT REST!

247847 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #762 of 1680 🔗

Yeah, well I’m all for Operation Great Give It A Rest.

248104 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Sylvie, #763 of 1680 🔗

Don’t get your hopes up!

247831 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to leggy, 3, #764 of 1680 🔗

Probably big National Parks to herd the masses into urban areas.

247885 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Darryl, #765 of 1680 🔗

Yes – control is the object.

China also has urbanization objectives.

247751 Ben, replying to Ben, 14, #766 of 1680 🔗

The UK Labour Party wants to criminalise criticism of vaccines. So we had ‘Thatcher, the milk snatcher’ and now we have ‘Starmer, the speech muzzler’

Klaus Schwab scares me more than any Bond villain. And there’s no James Bond to save us


247794 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Ben, -2, #767 of 1680 🔗

Labour backed Hitler didn’t they?

247799 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Eddy, 3, #768 of 1680 🔗

Only a few – Oswald Moseley had been a Labour MP

247805 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #769 of 1680 🔗

Quite a few Tories like Hitler too – he had cross-party appeal.

He was also very popular with the Royal Family and the aristocracy.

247815 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 1, #770 of 1680 🔗

Oswald Moseley had been a Conservative MP. But he wasn’t particularly keen on Hitler. He was, however, very keen on Mussolini.

247870 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #771 of 1680 🔗

Mosley was Conservative MP for Harrow from 1918 to 1924, then later Labour MP for Smethwick from 1926 to 1931, serving as Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster in the Labour government.

247877 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, #772 of 1680 🔗

You are right about Musso.

Must have been that snazzy Italian shirt design that appealed to Sir Oswald.

247879 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #773 of 1680 🔗

We forget now how popular Fascism was in the 30s in the US and in Britain.

Few of them wanted it ro be remembered after 1939, and especially after 1945.

247896 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, #774 of 1680 🔗

I suspect it had rather more to do with the substantial sums of money Mussolini provided him.

247859 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 3, #775 of 1680 🔗

James Bond works for the British Establishment so he would probably be used to target the ‘evil’ people opposing the wonderful Great Reset and big Pharma.

247882 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 1, #776 of 1680 🔗

Possibly, however SPOILER ALERT in the recent film “Spectre” Bond and others fight a plot to channel British and other intelligence (“Nine eyes” – based on the “Five eyes” network) into a global organisation under cover of it providing better safety and security from threats.

247969 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Julian, 1, #777 of 1680 🔗

come come mr bond you disappoint me – you get as much fulfilment from a great reset as i do, so why don’t you admit it?

247773 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #778 of 1680 🔗

Here we go, if they know people will submit to anything, they’ll push the same techniques everywhere:

Call for ‘tough conversations’ with drivers over cutting car use

Severe Covid-style restrictions on car use will be required to cut emissions and congestion, Scotland’s leading transport academic has warned.

247781 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #779 of 1680 🔗

And the herd of modern moron slaves WILL OBEY gladly!

247826 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #780 of 1680 🔗

Yes, most people have become slaves without even knowing it. The police and military around the world act as the slavemasters for the owners.

247955 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #781 of 1680 🔗

Not when, or if, they emerge from Coronazombiehood. Car ownership and car use are a given (in French, un acquis – useful word) of modern life and the proles won’t give it up.

247783 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #782 of 1680 🔗

If the Government is willing to buy my cars and clear my finance and give me a non petrol / diesel in return. No problem.

But they are happy to have the tax off my car at every level – insurance, fuel, servicing, road tax, purchase VAT. What’s replacing those income streams then ? Income Tax and 30% VAT.

Johnson probably does not even own a car, where as 30 million people do.

247806 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #783 of 1680 🔗

I’m not sure people will submit to that so readily, though. The mass of the public bought into the Covid fear-porn because it struck at the heart of modern, western secularism; environmental doom-mongering has been tried for decades and it has not had the same effect because it’s too abstract for most people.

247810 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #784 of 1680 🔗

All part of the slow Davos drive to get everyone living and working in smart cities and using tracked state transport.

Can’t imagine Prince Charles giving up his country estate but we allow these hypocrites to rule over us.

247840 ▶▶▶ Michael C, replying to Darryl, 6, #785 of 1680 🔗

Yes the future looks uncertain, even grim ultimately. A book worth reading on a city of the ‘future’ is “We” which was one of the inspirations for Orwell’s “1984”. It was written by Russian writer Yevgeny Zamytin in 1920, so this year is its hundredth anniversary.

247893 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #786 of 1680 🔗

It’ll never work. Public transport in Scotland is dire and I say that as someone living in the central belt. In the more rural areas it is practically non existent.

247913 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #787 of 1680 🔗

Same mentality, same methods: restrictions and magic money.

247996 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #788 of 1680 🔗

I dunno, I get the impression the furlough spongers won’t be so ready to embrace life in the depths of the Scottish winter without a car. Too much like hard work and not enough mileage in Facebook virtue signalling to make it worthwhile.

Do these idiot professors seriously see people biking about through the winter gales and freezing rain every day in Glasgow?? Lol.

248225 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #789 of 1680 🔗

An epidemic of academics has taken hold in Scotland, please leave the UK asap and give the english a vote in it too.

247787 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, #790 of 1680 🔗

Someone was asking about the relationship between the increase in spread in the Spanish flu and mask wearing. This is the paper and also there is a part 2. I downloaded it as PDF, but do not have the link, though it should be easy to find. Can’t remember whether the Spanish flu reference is in part 1 or 2. Sorry in a rush.
1 Masks, false safety and real dangers, Part 1: Friable mask
particulate and lung vulnerability Boris Borovoy, Colleen Huber, Q Makeeta

247834 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Nsklent, #791 of 1680 🔗

I believe Fauci wrote a paper on it also. I will try and find it.

247790 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 6, #793 of 1680 🔗

What virus?

247974 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Eddy, #794 of 1680 🔗


247791 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 3, #795 of 1680 🔗


Twitty speaking in 2019 about controlling Epidemics. Scroll to 50 minutes and watch him with his “societal changes”.

No mention of a lockdown. Even for flu pandemic.

247825 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Leemc23, #796 of 1680 🔗

Actually quite a good presentation. My view of him has ticked up a couple of points, but still has a very long way to go. Clearly he sees the current ‘pandemic’ as a massive project and is probably relishing the challenge.

247797 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 18, #797 of 1680 🔗

Sky News Australia doing good work publicising the sinister ‘Great Reset’ agenda being forced on the worlds population by the unelected and unaccountable Davos elite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_kXE-HXSQ (the first minute regarding Israel is a bit dubious and unrelated, not sure why they didn’t just start the clip later)

Small business owners sadly don’t seem to realise the future probably doesn’t involve them, even if they believe fully in the fake government native, they should be asking themselves what the ‘new normal’ means for them. Probably poverty, unemployment and submission to the state.

247807 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Darryl, 14, #798 of 1680 🔗

This small business owner does and is getting angrier by the day.

247846 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to kh1485, 17, #799 of 1680 🔗

I am a small business owner and our professional body keeps on sending me emails which suspiciously looks like ‘Great Reset’ promotion material.

We are being thrown under the bus to benefit big multinationals which pollute and damage the planet far more than small businesses ever have. And our MPs actively support this.

247868 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Darryl, 5, #800 of 1680 🔗

Totally agree. My MP is a bloody disgrace “we all have to make sacrifices …” and other such effing platitudes.

247887 ▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to kh1485, 5, #801 of 1680 🔗

Got similar tosh from mine – who clearly hadn’t even read either of my well evidenced letters with links to actual data and scientific articles to support my points – nor did he answer any of my key searching questions. He ignored my follow up emails asking him to respond to my questions. He is a multimillionaire and a friend of the PM, but I pointed out at the end of one of my frustrated replies to his ridiculous and inaccurate responses that he is there to represent the views of all his constituents, especially when they can evidence their points with facts, and that we pay his wages. Was of course met with silence!

247906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to ShropshireLass, 2, #802 of 1680 🔗

Useless MP responses are just generally painful.

247908 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to ShropshireLass, 2, #803 of 1680 🔗

I reckon mine’s got her eye on a ministerial career. They don’t give a flying eff …

247808 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, 5, #804 of 1680 🔗

But it’s just a conspiracy theory Darryl 🙂

247883 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 1, #805 of 1680 🔗

There will be no room for Sky News in the World Economic Forum’s vision of the future. One world governance won’t require independent news sources

248021 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, #806 of 1680 🔗

Sky News UK will be fine as they promote the WEF vision. Sky News Australia will probably just change a few presenters.

247802 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 14, #807 of 1680 🔗

This soap opera would be more riveting than Coronation Street if it weren’t for the fact that the world is heading towards Totalitarianism and they are leading the charge.

247824 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to richard riewer, 6, #808 of 1680 🔗

Heading towards totalitarianism. It has been here since March.

247852 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to richard riewer, 2, #809 of 1680 🔗

I’ve been watching Corona Street. They were fighting like cat and dog in the last episode

247866 ▶▶ calchas, replying to richard riewer, #810 of 1680 🔗

With Ena Sharples in charge. (showing my age)

247884 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to calchas, 8, #811 of 1680 🔗

If Ena was in charge this bollocks would never have got off the ground

She would have knocked out handy cock as soon as he opened his mouth

247804 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 11, #812 of 1680 🔗

I seem to look as though I am in need of some sort of spiritual rescue – just had the second offer of religious aid in the space of four days. Jeez, I must look really pissed off.

247817 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 2, #813 of 1680 🔗

Which group this time?
Do Mormons where a special face nappy as well as special underwear?

247830 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 4, #814 of 1680 🔗

Some sort of ‘Community Church’. I’m sure it’s well intentioned but he couldn’t have found a less religious sort if he’d tried.

247856 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 2, #815 of 1680 🔗

Ew sounds horrible. Sounds like an neo-online-Communitarian construct possibly, a zoom church, or a social media “in your community” kind of thing.
Humm lets see…Oh here we go.
Like this?

247875 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 2, #816 of 1680 🔗

Oh yeah, he mentioned the Zoom service and that we could talk to him “in confidence” Like I say, I suppose he means well, but that kind of thing has always been anathema to me.

248877 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #817 of 1680 🔗

There is a Mormon Church just beside my HLM in Montreal. Many people (myself included) used to take a shortcut through their parking lot. Six years ago they built concrete blocks with six feet high iron fences all around the church grounds to keep us out.

247845 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 2, #818 of 1680 🔗

Who’s offering the best deal? I know some are giving extra clubcard points

247892 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 2, #819 of 1680 🔗

Ha ha. Well, I suppose it has to be the Street Pastors who left a bag of sweets!

247945 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #820 of 1680 🔗

The Sweet Pastors.
The chocoChurch.

248031 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 3, #821 of 1680 🔗

Were they the Rowntrees Fruit Pastors?
Or the Quality Street Pastors?

247943 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 5, #822 of 1680 🔗

Just consult your inner kh.
One assurance I can give you: you won’t get any offers of spiritual aid from the Anglican church.You can be absolutely certain of that.

247956 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 1, #823 of 1680 🔗

The canine customers are keeping me going Annie. Just had a cuddle with Gatsby … lovely!

247836 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #824 of 1680 🔗

No announcement of a new head of communications

Nothing this weekend from the pig dictator

Nothing from Handy cock, Vallance or Whitty

Nothing from any other government minister that I can see

Get me the number of the RSPCA rapid intervention team

This is going critical

There is still time to save the German Shepherd if we act quickly

247897 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 2, #825 of 1680 🔗

They don’t need to bother. MSM still filling their boots over the infighting and Carrie-bashing and ramping up the campaign against those who have questions about vaccines. Job done.

248010 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #826 of 1680 🔗

There wouldn’t be all this anti-anti-vax hysteria if its proponents didn’t know that the anti-vaxers had a good case that was likely to have wide appeal.
Must add that I’m not anti-vax in general. I just think that this one hasn’t been properly tested. I used to work with specialists in the law of intellectual property, and I know what a complicated, protracted process vaccine licensing normally is. Particularly in the USA!

248032 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to annie, 3, #827 of 1680 🔗

I’m in the same boat, Annie. However I think setting up ‘villains’ is a key part of the psyops. It doesn’t matter whether they pose a real threat or not, it’s all grist to the mill if the population are paying attention to and getting angry with anyone but the Government.

247959 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 1, #828 of 1680 🔗

[whimpering, scratching from behind the door]

248012 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 2, #829 of 1680 🔗

Down, Fang!

247839 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #830 of 1680 🔗

So Hancock is going on GMB. The fatuous echo chamber of fake emoting is restored. And the people are ecstatic.
The devil you knew is replaced by the other devil you also knew.

247920 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #831 of 1680 🔗

Any further perpetuation of the PCR fraud is simply criminal.

247854 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #832 of 1680 🔗

(I can’t do without here. Even if it sometimes annoys the hell out of me it’s nothing to the mindcrushing annoyance and loss of will to live engendered by the lumpencovidariat (hat tip to the inventor of that word, sorry, don’t remember who it was))

247863 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #833 of 1680 🔗

Haha, I knew you’d be back.

Good to have your input.


247919 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #834 of 1680 🔗

Lumpencovidariat was coined yesterday by Stuart.

247935 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #835 of 1680 🔗

welcome back northumbriannomad. Find a home & a roof over your head here now and then. We all need you.

247939 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #836 of 1680 🔗

We are family. All families annoy the hell out of one another from time to time. It’s still us against the world when it really matters.

247948 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #837 of 1680 🔗

Splendid. I would have missed you, had you sadlileft.

247984 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #838 of 1680 🔗


248013 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #839 of 1680 🔗

Now happiliback!

247860 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #840 of 1680 🔗

This story is about a month old now but I have a hyothesis (I’m sure it’s not an opinion that’s unique to myself). People have been dying as they may have done normally, possibly with the addition of a few genuine COVID deaths included, but they just happened to test positive for SARS-COV-2 and were all classed as COVID related.

Has Covid killed off the flu? Experts pose the intriguing question as influenza cases nosedive by 98% across the globe

247867 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #841 of 1680 🔗

no, they just gave it a new name

247895 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #842 of 1680 🔗


247902 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #843 of 1680 🔗

Funny what happens when you stop testing.

247911 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #844 of 1680 🔗

Flu has also fallen dramatically in Sweden and Belarus, so it can’t be due to masking etc.

In countries like Cambodia, where nobody has died officially from covid-19, flu is still at normal levels.

Flu has been rebranded.

“f you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Josef Goebbels

248118 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, #845 of 1680 🔗

Where did he say this?

247914 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #846 of 1680 🔗

Claire Craig says that a test for flu will only pick up virus early in the course of infection. Her theory is that medics are so obsessed with covid tests (and re-tests if no +ve)for patients with respiratory symptoms that by the time they get around to testing for flu it’s too late to detect. Sounds plausible.

247917 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Nobody2020, #847 of 1680 🔗

A truism!

247921 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Nobody2020, #848 of 1680 🔗

in week 45 datamart respitory reporting system recorded 0 positive flu tests!

247922 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #849 of 1680 🔗

It is a mistake to believe previous stats for flu deaths were precise and draw conclusions as if they were. Testing wasn’t routine so many deaths were best guess cause based on symptoms particularly in home/homes. All that has changed now is largely that this year’s virus has supplanted flu on the death cert.

247872 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 21, #850 of 1680 🔗

My email to Desmond Swayne:

Dear Mr Swayne,

I hope you are well and have the time to read my concerns and the concerns of many other people in regards to the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test currently being administered byUK Government.

As you may or not know it is my understanding that UK Government are using 45 cycles to identify the presence of specific genetic material. This in the opinion of many experts* is creating many ‘false positives’ leading to an exaggerated number of positive tests (not cases) being reported.

To provide further clarity I would like to draw your attention to the video @ 4:21 below of Mr Fauci in conversation and I quote –


‘that if you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more that the chance of it being replication competent are miniscule so that if somebody and you know we have patients and it’s every frustrating for the patients as well as for the physicians somebody comes in and they repeat their pcr and it’s like 37 cycle threshold but you know never if you almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle so does come in with 37 38 even 36 you got to say you know it’s it’s just dead nucleotides period’.

This I believe shows that any cycles >30 return false positives or very low levels of infection rendering the result worthless leading to further hysteria and driving the policy of draconian restrictions and lock downs.

I urge you armed with this evidence to bring it to the attention of your fellow peers as this is has to be discussed and debated.

* https://lockdownsceptics.org/might-most-positive-tests-be-wrong/

https://youtu.be/sbMJoJ6i39k -&nbsp ; Dr Mike Yeadon in conversation with James Delingpole

https://youtu.be/kANkpqtWLN4 – Dr Mike Yeadon in conversation with the German Corona Committee.

Thank you for your continued support.

247962 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to stefarm, 2, #851 of 1680 🔗

Good letter, but it’s “Sir Desmond” nor “Mr Swayne”

248000 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #852 of 1680 🔗

Noted, thank you

247888 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 6, #853 of 1680 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich gives lengthy English interview on the Valuetainment YT channel.
Essential viewing.
And makes it just a wee bit harder for the ‘I’m not a conspiracy theorist’ folk to maintain that stance, I would suggest…


248163 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #854 of 1680 🔗

Brilliant interview

247891 Cecil B, 4, #855 of 1680 🔗

GMB: the last refuge of the scoundrel

247899 Al Pipp, replying to Al Pipp, 10, #856 of 1680 🔗

This is all about testing for CoVID. Johnson has promised to do more testing which means case numbers rise and more lockdowns. This will happen for eternity unless we close our borders permanently and every person lives in a tiny separate cubicle for 40days living on liquid food. That’s it. The only way to eliminate. That is why they want a vaccine to increase herd immunity.

But … If you only test patients on admittance to hospital and isolate if positive, then case numbers will be lower. NHS staff with asymptomatic COVID cab still work but not in geriatrics or immune suppressed patients. The 14 day quarantine period should be removed if you have a clear test. Only NHS staff should have vaccine.

So mass testing will just show that nearly everyone has asymptomatic COVID and it’s various varieties. So lock down for ever.

I don’t know which idiot supported mass testing and track & trace? Was it Cummings or Carrie?

247926 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Al Pipp, 3, #857 of 1680 🔗

Both, presumably.

247940 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mark, 1, #858 of 1680 🔗

The original idea came from elsewhere!!

247942 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #859 of 1680 🔗

The WHO and their minions

247954 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #860 of 1680 🔗

And who is the WHO???



Those are just a couple of mainstream sources.

248015 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #861 of 1680 🔗

Thought the Who was a pop group?

248024 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to annie, 3, #862 of 1680 🔗

Yes they were, in my generation.
Won’t get fooled again.

247979 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Al Pipp, 1, #863 of 1680 🔗

WHO, apparently

248030 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #864 of 1680 🔗

At one point the WHO talked a lot about testing but I thought in general their position was that once a virus is endemic track and trace is pointless.

As to why the government persist with it, it is probably in part to perpetuate the sham that we’re facing a catastrophe and part as the government must be seen to be doing something, and testing seems like a something that might be useful (though no-one has been able to explain to me in what way it is useful).

248195 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, #865 of 1680 🔗

The way out of it, they claimed, praising Germany for its testing. But you’re right, once it’s endemic, anything is pointless. It will do what it’s going to do.

248297 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #866 of 1680 🔗

And of course Germany have now declared test and trace to be useless for a widespread endemic virus, so are quite sensibly giving up. But the govt won’t follow them on that one, I’m willing to bet.

247903 Kevin 2, 8, #867 of 1680 🔗

A very brief video vignette from a German protest of a couple of weeks ago.
A heartwarming outcome!


247905 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #868 of 1680 🔗

Illuminated vigil from yesterday in Bonn.
Great to see.


247923 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #869 of 1680 🔗

thank you. inspiring

248416 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #870 of 1680 🔗

Police stopped the crowd from leaving the square and walk through the town. after 45 minutes “locking them in” they finally let people go home. What a shambles – on behalf of the police.

247916 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #871 of 1680 🔗

David Kurten got involved this morning at after Met. Police taped off Speakers Corner.


248053 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #872 of 1680 🔗

You´ve only got the right to exercise, said the police to people standing still at the Speaker´s Corner, just now. “Well I´m standing here, exercising my rights” retorted a young man.

248054 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to BJJ, 4, #873 of 1680 🔗

Fantastic. Sceptic of the Week, that young man.

248070 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #874 of 1680 🔗

Disgusting. But for humour, not kind PC humour I have to say, but scroll to 24 minutes and look at the massively overweight Community Support Constable in a mask. With the caveat being I don’t know, but surely her size / weight is of more concern and no amount of masks is going to help there. Just my observations.

248191 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Leemc23, 1, #875 of 1680 🔗

Best humour was at Hyde Park on 17th October. The Met had paired the smallest policeman I’ve ever seen, at roughly five feet tall (plus helmet, which looked ridiculous on such a short man) with someone who was about six feet four. I couldn’t work out if the shorter one was the Met’s mascot, or a raffle prize.

248250 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #876 of 1680 🔗

or lunch

247925 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 38, #877 of 1680 🔗

I have noticed people on this site praising Julia Hartley Brewer, a recent convert to lockdown scepticism. I understand that people see the current scepticism of those who initially supported the lockdown measures as progress, a sign for optimism. However, I fear it is not so. And the case of Julia is illustrative. Although, she now claims to be against lockdowns and gives space on her programme to dissenting voices and has subjected government ministers to critical scrutiny, she, nevertheless, remains in favour of mandatory social distancing, mandatory wearing of face masks, welcomes the development and roll out of a vaccine, and opines that track and trace and compulsory isolation is necessary. All this is, of course, of a piece with her earlier support for the initial introduction of the lockdown measures, which she now justifies on the basis of “we” (meaning she) were ignorant. If such late converts, with high profiles, are allowed to define opposition to lockdowns, we will be forever at risk of being in a lockdown, as it will continue to be seen as a rational, responsible and competent policy response to any infectious respiratory disease that is of unknown lethality or feared to be more lethal than seasonal flu. Such a position would prevent any holding to account of the people who have inflicted so much harm. The case against the lockdown responses has to be that they should never have been implemented in the first place and they should never be implemented again.

247934 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #878 of 1680 🔗

Have to agree. They have silenced counter evidence and argument since day 1 as they were listening only to what from the outside looks like compromised scientists and lobbyists. They need to be held to account. The claim that they have been following the science beyond April does not hold any water.

247957 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #879 of 1680 🔗

I am not sure why you say “beyond April” as the government knew in March that the virus was not a high consequence infectious disease. Indeed, they publicly classified it so on 19 March 2020, immediately prior to Boris Johnson telling everyone to stay away from pubs etc on 20 March and introducing the lockdown on 23 March.

247963 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #880 of 1680 🔗

It wasn’t ‘the government’ – it was PHE, I believe.

247980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 3, #881 of 1680 🔗

It was the government. It included all the relevant agencies, including Public Health England, which is incidentally a government agency, as I am sure you know.


247999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, #882 of 1680 🔗

It was issued by Public Health England, with the note :

“…. the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information …”

This decision by government agencies is not the same as a ‘government decision’ – aka a political decision.

One wonders, if it had been a ‘government’ decision, whether it would have been implemented, given subsequent events.

248156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RickH, #883 of 1680 🔗

PHE would have done what the government wanted it to and part of its mission was to give some cover to government stupidity. Of course, PHE had to go, if only to provide yet more cover, but that changes nothing for the better.

248146 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RickH, 1, #884 of 1680 🔗

Splitting hairs!

247937 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #885 of 1680 🔗


247949 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #886 of 1680 🔗

Also, isn’t she mates with Wancock?

247958 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #887 of 1680 🔗

She claims to be on friendly terms with all the Cabinet and many other senior politicians.

247982 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #888 of 1680 🔗

There is a danger of creating a ghetto of righteous martyrs who just become an irrelevance.

I agree that there is a lot of work to be done with people like Hartley-Brewer. But that’s hardly surprising, given the comprehensive propaganda campaign that has been in operation.

What I would say, having no prior views about the woman (apart from a general impression of her as one of the metro journo clique), is that I have been quite impressed by some of the interviews that she has done; they are a refreshing change from the generality of the MSM.

The old sectarian “those who are not with us are agin’ us” is no way to grow a consensus sufficient to gain purchase.

248014 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 2, #889 of 1680 🔗

Agreed; well said

248018 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to RickH, 4, #890 of 1680 🔗

I agree. It takes time for people to change a whole set of beliefs but once they start to ask questions the door is open. Damascene conversions are rare. I don’t see that we need to be dogmatic. By that token we would reject Heneghan, Sikora and others who are not anti-mask. Maybe some would prefer that but I don’t think we would have any chance at all without these people.

248033 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #891 of 1680 🔗

No one could look at the scientific evidence for face masks and conclude that they prevent the transmission of this virus.

The notion that this is a disagreement about science is just plain wrong. None of the government’s responses to the coronavirus are supported by empirical scientific evidence. None. It is all pseudoscience. And one cannot dissuade carriers of and believers in pseudoscience by citing the science or criticising the pseudoscience.

248046 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #892 of 1680 🔗

I agree. But JHB doesn’t, to my knowledge, claim otherwise. She just thinks it is no big deal to mask up and make other people feel better regardless. I disagree profoundly and I wish other people saw the symbolism that I see, or the distress caused but most simply do not. She is not on her own.I still think her input around challenging lockdown is valuable.

248066 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, #893 of 1680 🔗

If your aim is just to end the lockdown, you are probably right. However, if you want to see an end, not just to the lockdown, but also an end to social distancing, face mask wearing, the rushed, obviously neither safe nor effective, vaccines, track and trace, self isolation, and to see that all this madness is recognised as madness to ensure that it never happens again: if that is your aim, I think you are mistaken.

248069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #894 of 1680 🔗

All of the things you list are part of “lockdown”

Lockdown never stopped, it just shapeshifted

I think it is just possible we could see most or all of these restrictions removed without a recognition it was madness, just by virtue of having a vaccine and general fatigue with things that go against human nature. But we may not.

248076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, #895 of 1680 🔗

But she is in favour of all those things, whilst representing herself as being against the lockdown.

248114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #896 of 1680 🔗

So hard to know whether we want her help or not – arguments on both sides are plausible

248097 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #897 of 1680 🔗

No it’s not my aim. It’s part of the picture though. I do not believe that we are ever going to get to some sort of event that instantly restores our freedoms. I believe we will have to fight for every inch of ground, one issue at a time. Any win is invaluable. if lockdown is the issue that attracts the most backlash for now, so be it.

248035 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 3, #898 of 1680 🔗

I agree that there is a lot of work to be done with people like Hartley-Brewer. But that’s hardly surprising, given the comprehensive propaganda campaign that has been in operation.

A comprehensive propaganda campaign that she pushed – and is still pushing, albeit in a modified form.

247990 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #899 of 1680 🔗

Let’s not make the best the enemy of the good, or expect too much too soon. The advantage of having people like JHB around is that they at least open up space for dissent in the media, and put at least some hard questions to the advocates of lockdown zealotry.

It’s easy to forget what it was like in the early days, when we would (if we had any sense) have killed for just one figure like JHB in any broadcast media position.

(Is “would have killed” inappropriate, or undue hyperbole? Well maybe, but surely sacrificing a number of “Conservative” and Labour MPs on an altar for that purpose would not be unreasonable – after all they’ve mostly proved at best useless and in most cases actively harmful to their constituents’ interests.)

That said, of course it is still right to be clear-eyed about such people and the limits of their agreement with those of us who see the issues more clearly.

248078 ▶▶ davews, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #900 of 1680 🔗

I certainly get the impression that JHB is not as sceptic as she makes out. I was encouraged by her a few weeks ago but of late her Talk Radio interviews have become less sceptical. Talk Radio itself goes through phases, I was gobsmacked with an interview with a chap about 6G this morning which turned out to be the most utter nonsense I have ever heard – it seems 6G is all about transmitting feelies between people in conversation and you need satellites to do so…. 5G conspiracy, you have heard nothing yet. I tend to avoid Talk Radio at weekends, most of their content is arts and music related and nothing to do with politics/covid and the news straight from Sky.

248080 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #901 of 1680 🔗

There is such a thing as ‘mild scepticism’. The forums on this website are populated more by the ‘ultras’ like me!

248128 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #902 of 1680 🔗

Well, speaking as an “ultra” I would say “mild scepticism” is probably based on several premises for which there is little evidence: the notion that covid is an extraordinary event in public health terms, the notion that governments can do anything meaningful to stop the spread of airborne respiratory viruses, the notion that freedom has a low value (to be fair the last one is more of a philosophical than an empirical point)

I wouldn’t dismiss “mild sceptics” because we need all the support we can get, but I think they need more work

248141 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #903 of 1680 🔗

Julia Hartley-Brewer will have been given an editorial line she is not allowed to cross. Nobody on here really thinks that she is the person who will get us out of this horror show, but every little helps.

248662 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Steve Hayes, #904 of 1680 🔗

All the people in the world you could rubbish and you come up with J H Brewer .because she don’t live up to your expectations . The woman who worked with Mike Yeadon and trapped Michael Gove into admitting he knew nothing about the P C R test,the same woman who made Grant Shapp’s look a fool and has embarrassed many other ministers over covid .This woman who has given a platform for Yeadon ,Ivor cummins ,Clare Craig ,Sunetra Gupta and more but never mind Steve because she don’t do enough to please you .We all know Brewer supported lockdown at first but so what? ,you didn’t and nor did i but so what ? .How do we get out of this unless we change the minds of those supporting lockdown to being against lockdown ?. There is only one way forward and that is to stop pissing around and worrying about what others on our side our doing and lead from the front .Everyone of us has to take the fight to the government in any way we believe right ,we have to individually and collectively do everything to smash the lockdown . Brewers doing her bit for the war effort so leave her alone because she’s doing a good job .So what about you Steve ? are your going to stay at the back giving your opinions or are you going to grab your rifle and head towards the frontline ? because the trains leaving the station .Don’t miss it .

248884 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, #905 of 1680 🔗

If you oppose the lockdown then all the rest should follow. She’s full of it.

247927 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 14, #906 of 1680 🔗

“Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination” petition.
Numbers going up quite rapidly…
Please share far and wide.


247932 ▶▶ annie, replying to Kevin 2, 9, #907 of 1680 🔗

It’s now well over double the 100,000 required for a debate.
The Fascists better look out.

248011 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #908 of 1680 🔗


248059 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Kevin 2, #909 of 1680 🔗

I tried to sign it and was told I had already signed it. Which I have no memory of doing….weird.

248096 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Leemc23, 3, #910 of 1680 🔗

Shhh! That’s a symptom of covid.

247936 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 20, #911 of 1680 🔗

Conspiracy – the activity of secretly planning with other people to do something bad or illegal.

IMO the conspiracy fact is

PCR test is wrongly being used to find + infections
+ Infections are being labelled as cases
Deaths within 28 days of a + test are labelled as a covid death
Asymptomatic people can spread a virus
Masks!!! Are being used to control the population nothing more nothing less

247947 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stefarm, 3, #912 of 1680 🔗

None of that was done secretly.

247952 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #913 of 1680 🔗

It was before lockdown

247966 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stefarm, 1, #914 of 1680 🔗

The things you list were done after 23 March 2020. Are you saying they were all secretly planned before 23 March 2020?

247994 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #915 of 1680 🔗

Personally I think so, all planned from before day 1

248006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stefarm, 3, #916 of 1680 🔗

You are claiming simultaneously that something is your opinion and a fact. It cannot be both. If it is a fact, you know it, which means you can demonstrate it. If it is a fact, it isn’t an opinion.

248052 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #917 of 1680 🔗

Steve, you’re right. It’s a shame that presentations of facts to ‘the believers’ this year have been interpreted by them as opinions.


248064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, #918 of 1680 🔗

It’s not opinion that Drosten published his PCR assay way back in January- the same assay adopted globally. That’s fact. Even wikipedia says so, but you can find that ifo elsewhere.


248071 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to leggy, 1, #919 of 1680 🔗

Publishing something by definition is not secret.

248132 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, #920 of 1680 🔗

Publishing something that doesn’t do what you say it does, has a secret built into it.

248129 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, #921 of 1680 🔗

This is not a court case and we don’t a legal mind telling us that something isn’t so, when it’s bloody obvious that it is.

247965 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #922 of 1680 🔗

It’s secret if you don’t pay much attention to news, don’t step much outside the mainstream media, and the mainstream doesn’t focus on these facts enough..

Whatever isn’t repeated and repeated again by the likes of the Mail doesn’t register with Joe Public. If the media doesn’t regularly explain what a case is, it isn’t news, it is secret. Or might as well be. If it isn’t repeated every day it might as well be secret.

247989 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, 3, #923 of 1680 🔗

This is simply pretending words mean whatever you want them to mean. If the government publishes something on its website, it is not a secret. If parliament passes a law, it is not a secret. If a Select Committee asks questions and hears answers, it is not a secret. Etc. And all this is true regardless of how little attention, if any, the corporate media devote to these things.

248007 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sara, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #924 of 1680 🔗

Conversely, sceptics are often accused of being conspiracy theorists for pointing out things that are public but not publicised.

248020 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sara, 3, #925 of 1680 🔗

I have never been called a conspiracy theorist (a term weaponised by the CIA incidentally) for pointing out demonstrable facts.

248125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #926 of 1680 🔗

You need to try harder.

248170 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Rowan, #927 of 1680 🔗

You are way too cryptic for me.

247987 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to stefarm, 5, #928 of 1680 🔗

NO! The PCR ‘test’ (it’s not a test, it’s an amplification methodology) is being used to find positive results of whatever is being amplified. Positive RESULTS are being labelled as cases. They’re not cases. They’re not infections.

Fauci said in July that anything over about 30-35 cycles is basically ‘picking up dead nucleotides’.


248023 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 7, #929 of 1680 🔗

The “secrecy” and the “conspiracy” here is the systematic, knowing abuse and mispresentation of data to sustain a hypothesis that is not real.

I suppose some of those involved might believe the tripe they come out with, but it is hard to believe they all do.

Do they talk openly with one another, or perhaps one to one with trusted confidantes, of trying to deceive the public? It’s possible they don’t – it might all be done by just being on the same page. I don’t think it is implausible to think that certain things are not openly mentioned, that it is unspoken. They possibly don’t trust each other.

248028 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 1, #930 of 1680 🔗

They have reason not to trust each other: the public inquiry.

248051 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #931 of 1680 🔗

And probably they are not under too many illusions as to how honourable their “colleagues” are

248055 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 1, #932 of 1680 🔗

When human beings formally and solemnly promise to tell the truth, they generally do. In the proceedings of a properly conducted inquiry, it would be relatively easy to elicit truthful answers, as was demonstrated by the Chilcot Inquiry for example.

248124 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 1, #933 of 1680 🔗

Those lower down the line may be dim enough to believe the official tripe, but those at the top know better and here I include the Bill Gates puppets in the UK government.

248174 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, #934 of 1680 🔗

The ones who initiate these theories know what they’re doing. Dylan Avery freely admits that Loose Change began life as a script of fiction for a film. ( https://theoutline.com/post/2179/reflecting-on-loose-change-in-the-age-of-fake-news-9-11-inside-job?zd=1&zi=qwnmfdny )
Yet here we are, almost twenty years later, and people still believe 9/11 was an inside job. And that there were no planes. Or maybe there were and they were military planes. Without passengers. Or maybe there were passengers. Or maybe the US government spent months working out thousands of backstories to convince us this was all real. And that the government’s own Solicitor-General (Theodore Olson) did not really lose his wife (Barbara Olsen) when the aircraft she was a passenger on was flown into the Pentagon. That’s because it wasn’t a plane, but a missile. Or something.

“It’s logic Jim, but not as we know it.” As nobody said on Star Trek. Ever.

248117 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to stefarm, 1, #935 of 1680 🔗

The biggest conspiracy of all is the one that tells us there are no conspiracies. I sometimes wonder why the word conspiracy exists.

247946 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 24, #936 of 1680 🔗

I have now got my third cold of the season. An increase of 300% on my usual rate of infection. Looks like lockdowns, social distancing and all that covid-secure bollox have really made a difference…

247997 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #937 of 1680 🔗

300% That’s a scary number. Better introduce more draconian lockdown measures, especially a Rule of One and face mask wearing at all times, and keep them in place until no one has a cold.

248002 ▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #938 of 1680 🔗

Of course it’s our fault for “not following the rules.”

248027 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DRW, 10, #939 of 1680 🔗

If the numbers go down, lockdown measures work. If the numbers go up, that proves the need for even more restrictions and enforcement. Whatever the evidence, the answer is more lockdowns, forever and ever.

247964 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 9, #940 of 1680 🔗
248022 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 4, #941 of 1680 🔗

So many. Very interesting

248060 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan, 2, #942 of 1680 🔗

Some may call it retraction. Others may call it censorship.

248063 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 4, #943 of 1680 🔗

Here’s a snippet from an April 2020 one that was retracted:

‘In conclusion, both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS–CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.’


247983 Ewan Duffy, 5, #944 of 1680 🔗


TLDR Priest conducting weekly religious services in his house due to public services being banned.

248186 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #946 of 1680 🔗

Hi AG,
just saw this. It’s an advert for ‘Bificoron S’ (a bifidobacterium)
a supplement alleged to be good for colon and large intestine health.
Is that enough info?

248004 ianric, replying to ianric, 9, #947 of 1680 🔗

A basic justification for lockdowns and all the restrictions we face is that covid is highly contagious disease where both sick and symptomatic individuals are just as contgious as healthy asymptomatic individuals. Everyone is a potential biohazard. If these restrictions were not in place we would be infect each other, the hospitals would be unable to cope and huge numbers would die. How credible is this argument? As myself and others have pointed out, if covid is so contagious why is necessary to resort to intrusive procedures rather than swabbing from the mouth to see if someone has the virus Has there been research done to see if people who develop severe symptoms spread the disease to others?

We are told that covid and other respiratory diseases spread when infected people spread droplets and aerosols when they cough, sneeze or talk and hit people in the mouth, eyes or nose. If you are hit by droplets, are you automatically infected.

As far as asymptomatic transmission goes, the thread I started on reddit has the consensus asymptomatic transmission doesn’t exist. I sent a FOI request to the NHS with various questions on asymptomatic transmission and they couldn’t answer the questions.


248073 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to ianric, 3, #948 of 1680 🔗

Which suggests the NHS couldn’t possibly have infection control procedures that are fit for purpose?

248121 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #949 of 1680 🔗

Mass testing, therefore, makes no sense whatsoever. So of course they’re not going to talk about it.

248116 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to ianric, 4, #950 of 1680 🔗

Yes – I was listening to the interview of Dr Mike Yeadon and Dr Fuellmich. They point out that there is no evidence whatsoever of asymptomatic infection worldwide. And Dr Bhakdi says the same.

248161 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ianric, #951 of 1680 🔗

The World Health Organisation said that asymptomatic transmission is “very rare” and added that the did not know of even one confirmed case.

248029 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 1, #953 of 1680 🔗

Does anyone know how the Astrazeneca -Oxford vaccine (ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and also known as AZD1222) compares in mode of operation to the Pfizer vaccine .
I am not an antivaxxer , always have the annual flu vaccine (never any adverse reaction )but the Pfizer vaccine, using m-RNA has never been tested on the elderly or vulnerable (through auto immune disease) and the fact that its originators have been granted immunity from any negligence claims is disturbing . Why prior immunity from civil actions if intrinsically as safe as any other vaccine?
The link that I have seen does not give much reassurance that the Oxford vaccine operates in a different manner

248045 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mikewaite, 3, #954 of 1680 🔗

I think the Oxford vax is more traditional in that it introduces the spike protein into the body rather than instructing the body to produce it itself from introduced mRNA. However I think it uses a chimpanzee adenovirus to carry the protein, not sure how tried and tested that part of it is.

248111 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to mikewaite, #955 of 1680 🔗

This man is worth listening to, regarding a vaccine, any vaccine, for this fast vanishing virus. He’s against it – and he should know!


248886 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Banjones, #956 of 1680 🔗

What happened to eat lots of fruits and veggies?

248034 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #957 of 1680 🔗

Video: Dr Peter Breggin discusses Fear Appeal and Covid-19 Perception

  • There’s an entire school of research within public health on how to frighten people, known as “fear appeal”
  • Fear appeal is based on the premise that to successfully implement a public health measure, you must first highlight a threat. And, to work, the threat must be made personal, so that people fear for their personal safety
  • Next, you give people something immediate to do that will set them on the path of cooperating with the plan in its entirety. Examples during the COVID-19 pandemic include not leaving your house, wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart, closing certain businesses and keeping children home from school. In the future, we can expect to be told we must get vaccinated and digitally tracked before we can resume life as normal
  • By adding confusion to the mix, you can bring an individual from fear to anxiety — a state of confusion in which you can no longer think logically. In this state, you are more easily manipulated
  • Eventually, when the fear and anxiety are great enough, desperation sets in, at which point people are willing to do just about anything to get relief


248042 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 5, #958 of 1680 🔗

Just look at the pictures on tobacco products. Very scary indeed. A total medical horror show. All perfectly acceptable for the last few years. OK that’s for tobacco, but how about on drinks bottles, no more nice labels, just grey ones and cirrhotic livers and mouth cancers.
Scaring people silly over covid so they can sell vaccines and track n trace immunity passports and save the planet…yer just fine….
Let it rip!

248050 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Two-Six, 1, #959 of 1680 🔗


What was the best performing sector of the US stockmarket of the last 25 years?


The best performing stock since 1968

Altria – a tobacco company

248058 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 9, #960 of 1680 🔗

Remember the man who said that the ads on fag packets scared him to much that he gave up reading?.

248048 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Victoria, 7, #961 of 1680 🔗

Gaslighting by government

248102 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 1, #962 of 1680 🔗

Something about the plan of making people afraid in the middle of this one:

248037 NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #963 of 1680 🔗

Something for Carrie Symonds to watch. Someone who understood who was elected and who was not.


248038 Victoria, #964 of 1680 🔗

Operation Warp Speed — A Technocratic Chess Piece?

  • Many of the same surveillance initiatives proposed after 9/11 have been resurrected, with updated technology, under the guise of combating COVID-19
  • Operation Warp Speed, the White House Administration’s effort to produce a fast-tracked COVID-19 vaccine and other therapeutics, is almost entirely funded and operated by the CIA and the U.S. military
  • Operation Warp Speed is supporting the creation of several COVID-19 vaccines, all of which will be deployed, but to different “critical populations”
  • Operation Warp Speed is shrouded in secrecy that makes it difficult to ascertain the true agenda, but part of the plan is to monitor vaccine recipients for 24 months after the first dose using biosensors that record and share biological data
  • Like 9/11, the COVID-19 pandemic is being used as justification for the implementation of more tyrannical controls. It appears they’re laying down the infrastructure for a totalitarian control system set to be fully deployed later

A lot of the same initiatives proposed after 9/11 have essentially been resurrected, with updated technology, under the guise of combating COVID-19.

~ Whitney Webb ~


248044 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 5, #965 of 1680 🔗

The Nutcracker Suite has been adopted as no 10’s theme music.

Expect regular performances

248056 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 4, #966 of 1680 🔗

Featuring the Sugar Plum Fairy?

248062 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to annie, 6, #967 of 1680 🔗

Featuring Princess Nut Nuts.

248105 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, #968 of 1680 🔗

Now who could take that role Annie?!

Tutu and tights…..

248047 Victoria, 11, #969 of 1680 🔗

Who Funds Facebook Fact Checkers?

Social media fact-checking organizations are not the independent public health watchdogs they’re made out to be. Fact checkers for Facebook are funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which has given more than $250 million in grants to steer media outlets


248049 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 32, #970 of 1680 🔗

Paranoid people

248082 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Victoria, 22, #971 of 1680 🔗

For me, wearing a mask is like wearing a Swastika badge or giving a “Heil Hitler” salute as the German people who wanted to be seen complying with authority in the 1930’s did.

Where next? A badge to signify if you have or haven’t had a vaccine? Perhaps a yellow star or pink triangle?

This is not a prediction, merely a scenario (quote: Sir Patrick Vallance)

248148 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Alan P, 13, #972 of 1680 🔗

I agree wholeheartedly Alan. I wish you were wrong but this is definitely the direction we are going in. Anti-science, medieval logistic and breathtaking ignorance fuelled with a massive feeding frenzy of propaganda.

My only hope in these volatile days is that the government and/or the NHS will make a small miscalculation and that will be the spark that lights the fire.

We can only hope. Lots of new people are becoming sceptical now so who knows?..


248160 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Alan P, 1, #973 of 1680 🔗

This is how I see it too

248277 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Alan P, 3, #974 of 1680 🔗

I’m thinking of taking to wearing a pink triangle. As I am in fact gay, I have a right to it (whereas I am not Jewish, so hesitate to adopt a yellow star).

248184 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Victoria, 1, #975 of 1680 🔗

I saw a message or article from a health professional in the US. It gave three reasons why wearing a mask was a good thing, e.g. it stops you touching your face. And then it said “And it shows others that you are doing the right thing”, or something like that.

248057 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 16, #976 of 1680 🔗

Thinking about the mink cull in Denmark made me consider that the government most likely has the power to cull domestic cats. I moved into my present location during the foot-and-mouth so-called epidemic in 2000. The government had the power on no very good grounds to march its agents onto a farmer’s private land and slaughter all his cows. This also was based on phony projections by Neil Ferguson.

If it’s determined that cats represent a species where Covid-19 can mutate into a variant strain, the government, under its emergency powers, can probably order you to destroy your pet cat. You may say they probably won’t, but the powers (especially with the public’s present state of suggestibility) are there. Is this where we want to be? Would the public comply? An interesting question bearing in mind compliance with the fact-free and evidence-lite measures they have complied with so far.

248068 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Bugle, 13, #977 of 1680 🔗

Yep. The public would comply – that is, the non cat owning public. Same routine, social shaming, voluntary euthanasia at first, then police at the door, egged on by the public.

Then, they’ll come for the dogs.

248075 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to dickyboy, 10, #978 of 1680 🔗

And then they will come for the people, if the vaccine hasn’t got them first.

248081 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to dickyboy, 4, #979 of 1680 🔗

Would Boris be forced to hand Dillon over to a grim-faced vet on TV news?

248249 ▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Bugle, 4, #980 of 1680 🔗

Nope. Dillon will never be mentioned, Dillon will be very safe in a nice house in the country somewhere. In thousands of years, all dogs will have descended from Dillon. Then again, probably all humans will have descended from Boris at his current rate of propagation.

248311 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to dickyboy, 1, #981 of 1680 🔗

Ha haa!

248094 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to dickyboy, 3, #982 of 1680 🔗

Someone on here said one council was spending local LD bungs on fox hunting, I’ve since wondered if that’s a hint at the targeted species. Quite a few would enjoy that.

248202 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Disbelief, 6, #984 of 1680 🔗

Interestingly it says people regretted killing their pets and blamed the government for the hysteria. But they are also to blame for listening to the stupid government in the first place!

248337 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Disbelief, #985 of 1680 🔗

That was a tough read.

248089 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bugle, 2, #986 of 1680 🔗

First they came for the mink…

248100 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bugle, 3, #987 of 1680 🔗

No chance with my cat. He’s got a seventh sense where medical interventions are concerned. Normally a peaceful, loving, tolerant creature, he turns into a cornered tiger in an especially bad mood if a vet visit is required.

248126 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 3, #988 of 1680 🔗

The mink mutation is another non-story, used to stoke up fear. But I can’t get wound up about culling mink – they are a menace if they escape into what isn’t their natural habitat. I’ve seen the damage that they do.

Come to that – fewer cats would be no great loss : there’s too many artificially maintained affecting urban bird populations.

248206 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bugle, 4, #989 of 1680 🔗

For a parallel, look into how the UK Gov of the day behaved with respect to household pets during WW2.

248891 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bugle, #990 of 1680 🔗

Culling cats, both wild and domestic, has been given serious consideration in New Zealand.

248065 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 22, #992 of 1680 🔗

I’ve long thought that the Chinese stats cannot be compared to ours and anyone who tried to argue that the Chinese have magically “contained” covid was in cloud cuckoo land.

They are apparently not daft enough to wreck their own country for no good reason. We copied their initial actions – shame we did not copy what they did subsequently.

248074 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 24, #993 of 1680 🔗

In my opinion, the Chinese came to the conclusion in March that this was no biggie.

They decided to declare victory and go home.

248083 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 14, #994 of 1680 🔗

Indeed. And helpfully omitted to mention it was no biggie to the rest of us, and watched the rest of the world commit suicide

248091 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 1, #995 of 1680 🔗

Nobody would have believed them!

248106 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 5, #996 of 1680 🔗

We believed the initial scare stories and lockdown.

China isn’t mentioned often by lockdown zealots – maybe they know the Chinese are not reporting things on the same basis as everyone else

248095 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 1, #997 of 1680 🔗

The Chinese economy was ‘overproducing’ goods in Autumn last year and prices for finished goods were falling.

A short lockdown was timely.

Jim Sinclair (jsmineset.com) says the timing of covid was extremely fortuitous, given the US repo market problems beginning September 2019.

248892 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #998 of 1680 🔗

And their government has been enjoying every minute of it.

248093 ▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to calchas, 2, #999 of 1680 🔗

Yes, I agree – I have often thought that is probably the case. A pity that this has not been pursued (yet) by some investigative journalism.

248103 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1000 of 1680 🔗

Indeed – so many things that merit pursuit by journalists. Such fertile ground comes along so rarely, yet no interest. Journalism is dead, it seems.

248079 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 9, #1001 of 1680 🔗

Shanghai with 24 million people has a grand total of 7 people dead from covid.

Seven !!!

Although for about six weeks in Winter prior to January 20th, there were no measures intruduced in China, although covid was presumably spreading.

Merthyr Tdyfil with a population of about 43000 has allegedly 78 dead from covid.

Doesn’t make sense.

248113 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to calchas, 7, #1002 of 1680 🔗

If you don’t test for it then nobody can officially die of it.

248088 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 5, #1003 of 1680 🔗

The Wuhan lockdown lasted four weeks, then lifted and no restrictions since.

248109 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1004 of 1680 🔗

Not even masks, I believe

As far as I know, not much in Japan either

248134 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 2, #1005 of 1680 🔗

The zealot excuse for Japan is bEcAuSe MaSkS (not true) but really they just haven’t gone mad with testing. Plus a generally better performance for several reasons.

248144 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 7, #1006 of 1680 🔗

Their elders are less obese than ours

248245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Julian, 1, #1007 of 1680 🔗

no doubt have higher vit D levels too

248145 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 3, #1008 of 1680 🔗

On more reason, is I think, that Japanese elders are looked after at home more, rather than concentrated in care homes.

I suspect that is a factor.

Same goes for South Korea and Taiwan.

248158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to calchas, 3, #1009 of 1680 🔗

Possibly a contributory factor, but nowadays the elderly are also cared for in care homes..my daughter’s great grandma (98 years old:)) being one of them. Young people living in cities don’t always want to return to their hometowns to care for their elders these days..times are a changing. It would be interesting to know what percentage are still cared for by their families.

248894 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DRW, #1010 of 1680 🔗

Maybe it’s their diet? Or they are naturally immune to certain viruses and we aren’t.

248110 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, #1011 of 1680 🔗

I think there was another one in May but nothing since.

248098 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 2, #1012 of 1680 🔗

I’ve long thought that the Chinese stats cannot be compared to ours

Are you implying that unlike our government, the Chinese government are not engaging in systematically inflating the coronavirus statistics?

248119 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1013 of 1680 🔗

I think that is true – yes.

Roughly 95% of the Chinese covid death toll is in Hubei province – the Wuhan area.

An amazing concentration, given that for six weeks prior to January 20th hundreds of millions of people were moving around China unhindered.

By the way I have been in China in January (not this year) – and hardly anyone was wering masks. Counter to popular myth.

Masks are worn in China when air pollution is bad.

The volume of Chinese domestic air traffic is now up year on year.

248133 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1014 of 1680 🔗

Lol. They are probably systematically deflating them.

248112 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, #1015 of 1680 🔗

Outside Wuhan, the average duration of lockdown in Chinese cities was 2 weeks.

248154 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to calchas, 1, #1016 of 1680 🔗

How do they count deaths? Do they only count the “of COVID” deaths? I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what they do.

248157 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1017 of 1680 🔗

I would also bet that is the case.

248282 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to calchas, 1, #1018 of 1680 🔗

That explains why it seems to have disappeared in China then. They must be laughing themselves silly over all our panic.

I don’t understand why the media and public are not asking questions about China. They seem to have forgotten it exists. Whenever I mention to someone that they are back to normal after one 4-week lockdown in the Spring, they look shocked and say “Really?” Why are people’s memories so selective?

248067 DRW, replying to DRW, 11, #1019 of 1680 🔗

Wonder what this site will be like in a year if it’s still up, we might be on to the third or fourth wave of bullshit by then.

248099 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to DRW, 20, #1020 of 1680 🔗

Please don’t say that. I like to think by then we’ll have Nigel and Laurence and Brexit and freedom and a proud and successful country and this site will be positive stories and parties.

248107 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andrea Salford, 17, #1021 of 1680 🔗

It would be nice FOR ONCE to have a government that I genuinely felt good about. To be able to feel that they were fair, just, honest, caring, helpful and benevolent. Sadly all we have ever had is an unaccountable cabal of anti human disingenuous and evil bastards.

248136 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1022 of 1680 🔗

I have seen a few governments in my time and couldn’t accuse any of them of being fair, just, honest, caring, helpful and benevolent

The older members of the forum might remember one….

248310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to Julian, #1023 of 1680 🔗

No sorry, can’t think of one that I’d care to remember in those terms.

248138 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1024 of 1680 🔗

Nice thoughts Andrea but I wouldn’t get my hopes up given the way things are going.

248895 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Andrea Salford, #1025 of 1680 🔗

Bring back the British car industry while you’re at it. MG, Triumph, Austin Healey. I grew up in a neighborhood filled with British sports car in Southern California. My uncle owned a RHD 1948 MGTC. We used to go on picnics, three young boys on the bench in the back and three adults in the front. No seatbelts.

248123 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to DRW, 7, #1026 of 1680 🔗

If it gets to that stage this site will be closed down.Labour calling for anti vaccine information to be made illegal today.

248140 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DRW, 15, #1027 of 1680 🔗

Stay strong DRW. Once two of the protagonists have gone, it will not be long till the whole thing implodes. Ms Carrie cannot be removed without her man, and the Tory party is not going to allow the 32 year-old mistress of a busted flush to dictate the terms and conditions of government. Doris is already on notice, one or other of Gove or Handsy is subject to a police inquiry over the leak. The end is nigh.

248152 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1028 of 1680 🔗

Agree, I think the business with Carrie will be used to oust Boris and Hancock.

Problem is what idiot will they put in place instead.

Rishi part of the cabal. Ditto Priti – all tarred with the Gates and banking cartel brush

Desmond Swayne?

248287 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Awkward Git, #1029 of 1680 🔗

Same, even with them out this will continue under someone else unless they’re a Swayne-type.

248077 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 36, #1030 of 1680 🔗

Never forget

248085 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1031 of 1680 🔗


248137 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Two-Six, 12, #1032 of 1680 🔗

My tinfoil hat is a much better look! And I can breathe while wearing it.

248305 ▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1033 of 1680 🔗

Might even improve mobile reception!

248086 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 24, #1034 of 1680 🔗

Just came across this in today’s DT, which is chilling.

“The Government said its Counter Disinformation Unit has been working with online platforms to track and act on disinformation throughout the pandemic.”

Without what is considered ‘disinformation’ the only narrative would be government’s interpretation of the truth.

248090 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ozzie, 10, #1035 of 1680 🔗

They really are desperate.

248108 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ozzie, 18, #1036 of 1680 🔗

Something is either true or it is not true.

I am not interested in whether or not something is disinformation. I want to know whether something is true or not.

248139 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1037 of 1680 🔗

The BBC also have a unit dedicated to spreading disinformation, or is that misinformation. Or is that just the whole BBC?

248155 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1038 of 1680 🔗

They’re still calling it a pandemic!!!!!

248169 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to bluemoon, 3, #1039 of 1680 🔗

That’s because it has been a ‘pandemic’. See the definition.

The problem is that people interpret the term as including the concept ‘serious’.

248179 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to RickH, 3, #1040 of 1680 🔗

I prefer to refer to it as a pan dem ic.

248210 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1041 of 1680 🔗

All things ‘dem'(ocratic) have been scratched, that’s for sure.

248120 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 18, #1042 of 1680 🔗

You cannot unscramble eggs. However, it’s annoying that people were so ready to accept lockdown at the start. It was obvious to me then that it would it easier for the government to take further liberties. First mandatory face masks, then the track and trace nonsense and now talk of de facto mandatory vaccines.

248127 Catherine Smith, replying to Catherine Smith, 39, #1043 of 1680 🔗

I have just watched Dr Suchant Bhakti on Triggernormetry YouTube. I was totally mesmerised by all he had to say and am now even more sceptical than before .
I will be 76 on December 1st ( happy last lockdown day 🤞 )& have a chronic illness that affects my immune system & lungs, therefore vulnerable on 3 counts. I have been a Lockdown Sceptic since day 1 and thank Toby, Will et al & all on here for helping keep me sane!! Unfortunately my husband is not a sceptic.

248175 ▶▶ annie, replying to Catherine Smith, 9, #1044 of 1680 🔗

Alas, you and your husband have an Incompatibility.
Never mind. Stick to your own truth.
Congratulations on being ‘vulnerable’, but refusing to accept a living death.I know of far too many people who have made their home into a premature grave. Life is for living.

248130 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #1045 of 1680 🔗

If the Great Reset is/was the goal.. I think that goal will soon be abandoned. I can’t see it come to be because so much of it is pie in the sky.. saner voices will prevail and stop its rollout. Thoughts?

248142 ▶▶ calchas, replying to chaos, 17, #1046 of 1680 🔗

I agree, I don’t think it is doable.

If it is attempted it will fail, just as the USSR did, only quicker.

In my opinion, the only reset which is certainly coming is the financial one, because it is a mathematical necessity.

I condider it quite possible that this whole thing is the preparation for that.

248150 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to calchas, 3, #1047 of 1680 🔗

You’ve seen this, Calchas?


‘In fact, one can argue that the creeping economic shutdowns, first at the state level and soon at the Federal, have just one purpose: to catalyze the next crash… and next bailout by the Fed’

248162 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1048 of 1680 🔗

Although to be fair, ZH has been banging this kind of drum since 2009. 😀

I’m not saying they’re wrong this time, but over the years I’ve become accustomed to the Tylers’ doomsday predictions not panning out quite as foreordained.

248180 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1049 of 1680 🔗

I know what you mean.

Timing is very difficult.

The central banks have doubled down again and again.Heaping up the bonfire for the coming conflagration of paper assets.

Negative interest rates are the sign that we are approaching the end.

Dollar rates are still positive. When rates for the reserve currency go negative, then all commodity futures go into backwardation, and the starting gun is fired for hyperinflation.

China is stockpiling commodities like crazy.

248446 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, #1050 of 1680 🔗

No need to have any reserves with the Fed now wither. Reduced to zero in March

248236 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1051 of 1680 🔗

Doomsters always predict doom and claim victory when the inevitable eventually happens.

248267 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1052 of 1680 🔗

QE is up to £895 billion.Collapse is when not if.Thats why central banks are preparing digital currencies.Ours will be called the stable.

248448 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1053 of 1680 🔗

Stable coins are a form of digital currency. There are many already in circulation. Just go on coinmarketcap

248151 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 3, #1055 of 1680 🔗

The banks are the instigators of the COVID/climate scam. They have been working on it since the mid to late 90’s. Many knew it was coming.

248207 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1056 of 1680 🔗

The resulting flattening of the yield curve from Covid-induced economic depression doesn’t help banks’ spread lending business models, so I don’t buy that thesis at all.

248272 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to jhfreedom, #1057 of 1680 🔗

yes but if the banks drop all pretence of “the old system” and move to crypto currency underpinned by green capital and carbon credits….its all system go.

248143 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 13, #1058 of 1680 🔗

Well, a communist utopia in the Soviet Union and satellite countries was pie in the sky but it lasted far too long

I think things will gradually get better next year as people tire of lockdowns and opposition grows, and more and more jobs are lost. But that might be wishful thinking

I think in general it’s best to take things one step at a time, not think too much about the future, and look after your own physical and mental health, and that of those closest to you

248149 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to chaos, 1, #1059 of 1680 🔗

The Great Reset is not one item – it’s a menu of inter-connected agendas. I doubt whether any of those pushing it forward expect ALL of their goals to be implemented. There will no doubt be push back and compromises made. But some of their goals WILL be implemented.

248167 ▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 5, #1060 of 1680 🔗

People want their comforts. No reset.

248228 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 4, #1061 of 1680 🔗

The wef is good at slogans, and has made a large number of “predictions”. But they do not have to work out the costs of things such as UBI, a trillion windmills, or even the practicalities of renting versus buying (can you imagine that working with lawnmowers, for example? Would you pay rent on a sunny day for a mower only to get home and it was now peeing down?). Governments will have to work that out for themselves, and most will probably decide against.

I expect (in my opinion) that they will continue to push the Green agenda however; that feeling comes across very strongly in everything I’ve read so far. They will stick with “advising” governments and “stakeholders”.

248261 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 2, #1062 of 1680 🔗

You would think so but they are all on board with the zero carbon insanity.The western world is committing economic and cultural suicide.

248159 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1063 of 1680 🔗

Del Bigtree on the Highwire with his weekly video.
Yet to fully watch it myself. But he definitely takes a dive into the ‘90% efficacy’ claimed by Pfizer…


Even Sue Cook saw fit to tweet about this.


248200 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1064 of 1680 🔗

I watched it and he does have a very good point that when you boil it down the claim is based on 95 results. What surprised me is that he and a few other commentators doesn’t seem to recognise the huge problem that the results do not claim a 90% reduction in transmissibility which really is the aim of the vaccine. The 90% reduction relates only to to cases which are defined as positive PCR + at least one symptom. Speaking of which, why are cases defined thus when government decisions are based purely in pcr test results? The vaccine trial results so far have not indicated the severity of the symptoms – it is possible the 85 control group displaying symptoms were relatively minor and the 9 who had the vaccine were major. Loads of other unanswered questions about the press release, the most important outcome of which, so far has been a massive boost for the bank accounts for the major shareholders.

248237 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Van Allen, 2, #1065 of 1680 🔗

Yes when you read most reports and statements about this vaccine from media, government and individuals, the assumption is made that getting vaccinated protects others, but I don’t think even Pfizer claimed this, or tested for it.

248430 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 1, #1066 of 1680 🔗

It fits their aim of getting the zombies to victimise people who don’t conform, exactly as. with face nappies. And the zombies are playing along with it already.

248439 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, #1067 of 1680 🔗

Of course they’ve claimed it. Doesn’t make it true but supports the forced vaccination argument so into the pot it goes

248299 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Van Allen, 5, #1068 of 1680 🔗

Well, they gave up claiming that the vaccines would offer sterilising immunity some months back. That was never going to happen. And they never actually claimed that you would become less infectious if you were vaccinated and then became infected. What they ended up talking about was ‘symptom reduction’
A nebulous concept indeed.

If you are in a low risk group with a decent immune system, you are going to be asymptomatic or only experience mild symptoms anyway. So you don’t need the vaccine. If you are high risk, due to other risk factors such as obesity, diabetes, heart disease, living with cancer, etc etc, then nobody knows how you will respond to the vaccine, precisely because the trials excluded such individuals….
Yes they had a small number of oldies in the trial (nobody actually knows how many), but you can be sure they excluded anybody with co-morbidities, low blood-counts etc.
Basically those at most risk from Covid, will be most at risk from unknown adverse events related to this vaccine (or any of the candidates).
A full readout of the adverse event profile is essential, before anybody can give informed consent. If adverse events are not transparently released, then you don’t have informed consent..
So we need all the SAE’s from Grade 1 to Grade 5, and we need arm by arm comparisons. And we need to know if the control arm was a proper placebo such as saline solution or whether it was another vaccine.
I’ve read mention of adverse events falling in to ‘mild to moderate’.
But that is healthy trial subjects.
They do have a dilemma, because the priority groups they wish to ‘attend to’ are the same ones who may be at most risk from the vaccine.

And the other thing about this trial is whether or not it is single or double blind.
Single blind is just the participants not knowing what arm they are in. Double blind is when neither the subjects or attending physicians, or trial investigators, know which arm they are in. If investigators know which arm a particular subject is in, then there is much scope for conscious or unconscious bias.

It used to be considered very bad practice for a trial sponsor (Pfizer here) to publically trumpet favourable interim results from a clinical trial, but it seems like anything you can get away with, is the new normal.

248897 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kevin 2, #1069 of 1680 🔗

Pfizer are not reliable. I forget how much they spend in one year for advertising in the U.S.A. Around ten billion. Also, don’t forget what happened to some people who used their Chantix and Champix stop smoking products.

248165 Cheezilla, 1, #1070 of 1680 🔗

Carl Vernon vs the (anti-)Labour Party


248166 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 13, #1071 of 1680 🔗

I have been looking again at mortality by age group. I have taken 2018, 2018, and 2020 year to date; and April 2020.

The percentage by age group is almost the same in all cases. So, for 85+ it is: 40.11%, 39.35%, 39.88%, 39.59%. These are percentages of large numbers e.g. for 2020 YTD the 85+ age group has 201,758 deaths at 39.88% of all deaths.

The premise is that mortality by age group reflects the cumulative effect of all the normal causes of death, in all their variety. I am still looking for an explanation of how a novel and fatal virus gives almost exactly the same profile, if not that it accelerates an already imminent death.

I think that this episode has given the health professionals unprecedented data about infections, but they have been misled into assuming what they see is not normal. All these hotspots, regional outbreaks, superspreader events, care home infections, and the result is almost exactly as normal.

248178 ▶▶ NickR, replying to WhyNow, 6, #1072 of 1680 🔗

If you want to see how to analyse all this look at https://hectordrummond.com/2020/07/07/robert-watson-england-wales-2020-mortality-statistics-in-context/ by Prof Robert Watson. Simple, easy to follow graphs making exactly the point you’re making. No excess deaths, exactly the same proportion of people in each age band are pegging out….. nothing to see …. move on.

248246 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to NickR, 2, #1073 of 1680 🔗

That is a very good article. Much greater detail than my summary, but exactly the same conclusion.

What we are getting from SAGE and the BBC is deliberate misrepresentation of the data. I have never yet seen an attempt from them to explain accurately who is dying.

248214 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to WhyNow, 5, #1074 of 1680 🔗

Never let the truth spoil a good story.

248168 NickR, replying to NickR, 12, #1075 of 1680 🔗

These 2 charts come from the same data set at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases released just 10 mins ago.
The BBC choose to report the most volatile number, the daily ‘cases’ report based on reported date, so they get spikes, which they report, and lulls which they don’t.
But look at the 7 day rolling average of cases per 100,000, no variation over weeks. This is the data that the MPs were stupid to see & the government too dishonest to highlight.

248230 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 5, #1076 of 1680 🔗

The BBC are evil. It’s a strong word but why else would they do this?

248171 David Farrer, replying to David Farrer, 14, #1077 of 1680 🔗

Would the Swedish consulate in Edinburgh grant asylum if necessary? It’s about a ten minute walk away – assuming no long queues outside…

248188 ▶▶ watashi, replying to David Farrer, 2, #1078 of 1680 🔗

I’d like to know this too

248216 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to David Farrer, 6, #1079 of 1680 🔗

If we don’t hear from you again, we’ll assume that’s a yes 😉

248247 ▶▶▶ David Farrer, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1080 of 1680 🔗

The problem is getting all my books on a Viking longboat.

248177 Gladiatrix, 6, #1081 of 1680 🔗

Re the alleged data seizure in Frankfurt, it isn’t true. See here https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9754011363
This was people being silly on Twitter. Also, there is no way the German authorities would let the US army do this.

248182 NickR, 5, #1082 of 1680 🔗

And the latest deaths figure shows a familiar pattern of no change.

248185 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1083 of 1680 🔗

Is this a case of mis/dis-information, or similar on the part of the MSM? From the Telegraph live feed (my emphasis):

Sweden Covid news: Tegnell’s predecessor blames ‘wishful thinking’ for soaring caseload

The predecessor of Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has accused him and his team of failing to adequately prepare Sweden for the second wave of coronavirus infections, because “wishful thinking” led them wrongly to believe that immunity would leave the country protected.

Annika Linde, who served as state epidemiologist from 2005 until Tegnell took over in 2013, told The Telegraph that the Public Health Agency of Sweden had throughout the pandemic shown a reluctance to plan for the worst.

“Wishful thinking – when you don’t believe in the worst scenario – has been guiding Swedish decisions too much,” she said. “The Swedish authorities have been slow all the time. Instead of being proactive, they’ve run after the virus, and the virus has been able to spread too much before they take action.”

The country is now seeing the number of new cases rise by as much as 50 per cent a week, with a record 5,990 new coronavirus cases and 42 deaths reported on Friday – dramatically higher rates than reported in Norway, Denmark and Finland.

Am I right in thinking the “case” number is per day but the death count is a weekly total? The Wikipedia article would suggest so:


Full Telegraph article (paywall):


248201 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Tenchy, 6, #1084 of 1680 🔗


Current seven day moving average deaths for Sweden 8 down from 13 a few days ago.

248208 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1085 of 1680 🔗

People spent most of the year predicting that Sweden would be a disaster and went quiet when it wasn’t.

Now they’re back again with the same line of attack only this time they’ll be adamant that they’re more right than before.

248226 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1086 of 1680 🔗

Utter nonsense. All-cause mortality in Sweden is currently normal for the time of year and they are 3,000 up so far this year compared to 5-year average (I think that represents about 5% more than usual).

248243 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 5, #1087 of 1680 🔗

And the enthusiasm with which media report anything negative about Sweden is revolting

248426 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 1, #1088 of 1680 🔗

too true.They just love Swedes dying.
Come to that, they love anybody dying.Ghouls battening on dead flesh.

248265 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1089 of 1680 🔗

Sweden don’t seem to report every day. They’ve been averaging about 10 deaths per day recently so I suspect the 42 figure is the total for 4 days.

248280 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, #1090 of 1680 🔗

The website I use is this one and is updated Tues-Fri


But anyway the numbers are fairly meaningless unless you look at how many people are dying from all causes and compare this to previous years, and ask yourself if anything exceptional is happening. So far the answer is no. And neither was it catastrophic in the spring/summer.

248271 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Tenchy, #1091 of 1680 🔗

Looking at:-


I’m wondering where that 42 figure is coming from.

248898 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tenchy, #1092 of 1680 🔗

How many shares does Tegnell’s predecessor have in pharmaceutical stocks?

248189 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 28, #1093 of 1680 🔗

Did a long walk today which too me and Mr Bart to Primrose Hill and Regent’s Park – lovely day and it felt almost normal with no-one anti-social distancing.

The only blight are those who think that they should muzzle up outdoors. I mean, why?

Would they rather breathe in their own CO2 and allow fungi & mold colonies to grow in their muzzles rather than to breathe all that fresh air?

248197 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1094 of 1680 🔗

They would unfortunately. Still, it’ll be like water from a duck’s back for them when the inevitable outside mask diktat becomes law.

248244 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to leggy, #1095 of 1680 🔗

Unfortunately there’s also peer pressure and the requisite brain washing.

248203 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #1096 of 1680 🔗

Virtue signalling reaches its maximum potential out of doors, where not only can more people see you, but you also shine by contrast with the bare-faced.

248217 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to calchas, 14, #1097 of 1680 🔗

And I think they believe they’re protecting themselves. Let’s face it, humans are not all that altruistic and I’ve believed from the beginning that people are wearing a mask because they think it will protect them. No other explanation for why they wear them alone in the car or outside.

248424 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1098 of 1680 🔗

You’re perfectly right, but it doesn’t stop them screaming at you for not nappying up in order to protect them.

248239 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to calchas, 2, #1099 of 1680 🔗

Obviously there was a lot of “look at me” especially women who have gone OTT with eye make up as well.

248254 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1100 of 1680 🔗

I’d only look at them if they were wearing a short skirt!

248411 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to William Hand, 3, #1101 of 1680 🔗

Bizarrely I saw a woman wearing high heels and bare legs despite the cold and the wind and yet she was muzzled.

It was truly a bizarre sight.

248347 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1102 of 1680 🔗

It’s the matching with outfits and now the horror Of Christmas print ones I’ve seen.

248413 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #1103 of 1680 🔗

I’ve not seen any like that at the moment thankfully but I’m sure I will be exposed to the horror together with Christmas jumpers.


248422 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 2, #1104 of 1680 🔗

Shine?You just look like a solitary ghoul. A zombie that didn’t make it back to its hole in the ground by sunrise.

248309 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1105 of 1680 🔗

Popped into Tesco this pm – a new method to protect shop workers has emerged. One lady shelf stacking, probably around 60, stacking shelves without a mask but with a few metres of yellow, plastic barrier fencing surrounding her, no gaps, with a no entry sign, and a written ‘do not enter’ sign.

248415 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nsklent, 3, #1106 of 1680 🔗


The human stupidity knows no bounds.

248418 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1107 of 1680 🔗

The outdoor nappied deserve only contempt. I couldn’t give a damn about their stupid lungs.
Glad you enjoyed your walk. Nature is the best antidote to Coronacrap.

248196 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #1108 of 1680 🔗

My mother has just realised that lockdown means her grandson (my nephew) misses out on the social aspects of third level education now that everything is online. 🙄

248275 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1109 of 1680 🔗

In a way this is a story of hope. She got there in the end!

248899 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1110 of 1680 🔗

They don’t want her grandson socializing, they want him social distancing.

248204 Cheezilla, 2, #1111 of 1680 🔗

David Kurten interviewed at a taped off (!!!) Speakers Corner starts about 27 mins in:


248205 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 25, #1112 of 1680 🔗

Meanwhile, China has signed the world’s biggest trade deal, with Japan, Australia and most of Southeast Asia. While Britain and the EU faff on about fish, Downing Street turns into TOWIE and America eats itself.
Sorry, but everything is already over. And the West has brought it all on itself.

248215 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #1113 of 1680 🔗

Yes this only accelerates the sense of western decline and Asian take-off. While we flounder amid the pandemic and ever-more poisonous politics they are quietly getting on with it in Asia. No need to go to war, we are destroying ourselves over a bad cold. They must be closing the doors and collapsing with laughter.

248221 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #1114 of 1680 🔗

They have played their cards well though I would still rather live here than China (but we’re moving towards them).

248220 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1115 of 1680 🔗

Does Carrie know about this?

248234 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1116 of 1680 🔗

Oh dear – very very bad news

248240 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Rosie, 5, #1117 of 1680 🔗

Is she aware that China doesn’t govern in the spirit of Biden-Harris?

248342 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Recusant, 2, #1118 of 1680 🔗

We’re all Chinese now.

248883 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Recusant, 1, #1119 of 1680 🔗

Mind you, I’ve been to China and it’s lovely. Everyone’s charming and friendly and speaks perfect English. The apartment buildings, hotels, sports facilities and parks are fantastic. The girls are beautiful, highly educated and keen Anglophiles.

Yes, indeed, those three square miles of Shanghai they set aside for showcasing the new China to Western businessmen are a paradise.

248238 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #1120 of 1680 🔗

Exactly. This is like the sack of Rome in 410AD. The barbarians have breached the gates and its only a matter of time before civilisation as we know it collapses.

248241 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #1121 of 1680 🔗

All empires have fallen and there’s no reason to suppose ours won’t, and they have usually hastened their own demise

I had rather hoped I and my children would not have to live through the fall though

It’s a shame as it was a good one – at least I thought it was good

It’s been in decline for a while, but I didn’t expect it to be so rapid

Who knows, maybe we will recover from this – after all, we recovered from WW1 and WW2.

248296 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 4, #1122 of 1680 🔗

That’s the hope. At the bare minimum society will survive in Kenneth Clark’s words “by the skin of our teeth.”

248526 ▶▶▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1123 of 1680 🔗

And we must store physical books. Especially ones at risk from the whole hordes.

248882 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Graham, 1, #1124 of 1680 🔗

Yes. Do not rely on digital storage.

248761 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Julian, #1125 of 1680 🔗

well, germany lost both wars and look how well things turned out for them!

248890 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to dommo, 1, #1126 of 1680 🔗

Germany has handed the Chinese all its intellectual property in exchange for being allowed to sell the Chinese its cars (among other things). We are lucky enough to live in an era of global peace. Because it’s not a war if only one side is fighting.

248260 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1127 of 1680 🔗

Yes – its a very apt analogy. And Johnson loves his classical analogies, although he thinks he’s Pericles when in fact he is Honorious – bumbling his way through the fall of civilisation and telling the British to look after themselves because he’s too busy fighting internal enemies.

Let’s hope he follows suit and dies of dropsy soon enough. I’m sure there’s enough RNA left in him to put him down as a Covid death

248293 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jakehadlee, 5, #1128 of 1680 🔗

Well said. I’ve always likened him to Honorius precisely for the reason you’ve stated above. Incompetent, weak and bumbling.

Due to this week’s saga, I’ve also likened Johnson to Nicholas II while Carrie is Alexandra and Cummings is Rasputin.

248893 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #1129 of 1680 🔗

The Peloponnesian War is better, in my opinion. Sparta triumphed and the Athenian navy was annihilated. Triumphant, having won the election, sorry, war, Sparta had no idea what to do next. Sparta, Athens and the other city-states faffed about a bit for the next few decades, wrangling over petty disputes. Then Philip of Macedon invaded, followed by his son Alexander (the Great), and erased Spartan and Athenian power from the map.

(Athens and Sparta signed a symbolic peace to end the Peloponnesian War in 1996.)

248209 Stephen Oliver, replying to Stephen Oliver, 10, #1130 of 1680 🔗

How long will the police, army, NHS, MPs be complicit with covid and the breaches on people’s freedom?

248357 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Stephen Oliver, 3, #1131 of 1680 🔗

Not seeing any sign of it abating, are you? The filth closed off Speaker’s Corner today. That about sums things up.

248211 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 11, #1132 of 1680 🔗

Three of my parents’ pals got FPNs this weekend for walking together. So much for the four Es by the police.

My er, ‘friend’ breached the rules five times so far this lockdown. She is aiming for twenty times by the time it ends.

How many times have ‘your friends’ broken it?

248218 ▶▶ Julian, replying to jhfreedom, 15, #1133 of 1680 🔗

Sorry to hear about your parents’ friends. Must be a lot of police where they are – round my way you could have a rave and not be noticed – though someone might snitch on you of course.

As for our friends, we don’t have many left.

248232 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Julian, 18, #1134 of 1680 🔗

A police car stopped as they walked on a public pavement. No explanation or polite suggestion to go home, straight to a FPN. Fascists.

I have non-snitch arrangements in place with all my neighbours, but I’m still careful not to go looking for trouble if you know what I mean.

I understand your comment re friends, this is a divisive issue like Brexit. I probably couldn’t be friends with, or married to, a coronaphobe. It is too intrinsic to my values and belief system.

248276 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #1135 of 1680 🔗

Bad luck about the cops. One benefit of living in the country – lots of paths and fields where cops can’t drive.

Our neighbours seem fairly onside.

Regarding friends, one or two we have got rid of but others have simply started blanking us once we started expressing sceptic views. More time for true friends now.

248288 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Julian, 3, #1136 of 1680 🔗

I hear one can use Waze (free app to download) and it can show where police cars are. It relies on other users to report their (the police cars’) presence. I know there will be those on this forum who don’t care about being caught equally many can’t afford the fine and would rather not get caught in the first place.

248469 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1137 of 1680 🔗

Totally off topic, but last week the flat opposite was raided by the police in a drugs raid and the chap and several mates in at the time carted off to the nick. Not sure what charges they got. This afternoon while I walked past noticed a couple of chaps entering that flat, obviously the nasty work continues regardless and there were at least three chaps in there, clearly breaching lockdown. If they can’t stop this in the bud why are they nicking innocent people out just enjoying themselves.

248219 ▶▶ Paul, replying to jhfreedom, 16, #1138 of 1680 🔗

I have broken every covid rule that applies to me since day one in March,I have broken a few of the pre-existing laws too for good measure.

248235 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Paul, 17, #1139 of 1680 🔗

In fairness, these “Conservatives” have done a pretty good job of demolishing any idea that laws should be respected.

248251 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Mark, 3, #1140 of 1680 🔗

Yes that’s the way I see it now.

248233 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1141 of 1680 🔗

Sorry to hear this.
So much bad news

248252 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1142 of 1680 🔗

where was this?

248273 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Two-Six, #1143 of 1680 🔗

I think Winchester. I guess if you come across a police officer who has had a bad day…

248295 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1144 of 1680 🔗

wow, terrible..how can he prove that they were together? Mental.

248301 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1145 of 1680 🔗

If you lie the officer could check addresses on council records I suppose. Admittedly it would have been smart to have a ‘story’ in place before setting out..

248371 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to jhfreedom, #1146 of 1680 🔗

Please. It’s police constable. Never officer. Never.

248441 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Leemc23, #1147 of 1680 🔗

Sorry too much Netflix…

248520 ▶▶▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Leemc23, #1148 of 1680 🔗

Pronounced ‘cunstable’ with a silent T.

248253 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to jhfreedom, 22, #1149 of 1680 🔗

It’s just unbelievable to read something like this in the UK in 2020. People getting fined for walking together in a public place. Anyone suggesting this might happen a year ago would have been laughed off as a paranoid conspiracy nut. But here we are, it’s happening every day, competent adults going for a walk with friends is now a criminal offence. Things couldn’t get much worse.

248264 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1150 of 1680 🔗

What do rats in a corner do?, and there’s no shortage of rats or corners.

248270 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1151 of 1680 🔗

What are we going to do?

Resistance is getting nowhere.

Everything I suggest, people don’t respond to.

Who – how – when are the British lawyers going to do something to halt this? or is Lord Sumption’s speech the end of it?

There he was saying that the British people won’t wake up until it’s too late – and here we are fully awake, screaming for leadership, and he’s silent.

BMJ have spoken out, what about the lawyers?

248274 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Rosie, 7, #1152 of 1680 🔗

I don’t know Rosie. I’m at my wits’ end.

248286 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1153 of 1680 🔗

Right – I’m setting up a network for people to work together in small/effective teams. It’s called Unlock .

It’ll only achieve anything if people join but I’ve got the mechanism worked out.

Please contact me if you want to give this route a try. I’ve got a system if anyone wants to give it a try. Computer/complicated equipment not needed, just a large notebook

This is me


248291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Rosie, 1, #1154 of 1680 🔗


248294 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Chris John, #1155 of 1680 🔗

Good – even just a few to get the ball rolling

248372 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Rosie, #1156 of 1680 🔗

sounds good

248534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Rosie, #1157 of 1680 🔗

Sounds good.

248300 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1158 of 1680 🔗

Isn’t the basic issue that parliament has approved all of this Madness and the judiciary is loathe to get in the way?

248306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1159 of 1680 🔗

I actually have got a plan btw, just need people to get on board

248312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 2, #1160 of 1680 🔗

We’ll link up with the German resistance movement, where the lawyers have got some balls, and I’ve established an email link as well

248901 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jhfreedom, #1161 of 1680 🔗

If the judiciary is loathe to get in the way then they are in the way.

248290 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Rosie, 3, #1162 of 1680 🔗

I agree Rosie,a lot of good sense has been spoken by quite a few high profile people but that seems to be as far as they go,it may lift our hopes briefly but it isn’t changing anything in reality.Has everyone in a position of authority been bought off or blackmailed ?,it certainly seems so,or is this country just living up to it’s modern day position of all talk and no action ?.

248756 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Rosie, #1163 of 1680 🔗

when you say “the lawyers” who exactly do you mean?

248754 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to A. Contrarian, #1164 of 1680 🔗

trust in the police has been totally destroyed – they’ll do anything they’re told to do

248279 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1165 of 1680 🔗

Have they any intention of resisting this or will they just pay up?

A friend of mine intends to resist his fine and wants people to work with.

248298 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Rosie, 3, #1166 of 1680 🔗

Probably pay.

Resistance takes two forms – refuse to pay and risk prosecution and a criminal record. Not appetising for those who rely on paid employment to support themselves and their families.

Or dispute the application of the FPN in the courts. If you lose you don’t get a criminal record but you end up paying a bigger fine plus costs etc. and your name could get published in the press.

I haven’t seen any good information on how these cases are going, how the courts are dealing with them, how many the police are dropping etc.

248315 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #1167 of 1680 🔗

I hope that none of them have any intention of paying and will challenge the FPNs in court if necessary! Like many others, I have consistently breached the regulations from the start and have never worn a mask, so far without challenge (6’3″ and ugly), but am quite prepared to have a civil and evidence based conversation about it should anyone query my behaviour.

248373 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to jhfreedom, #1168 of 1680 🔗

So I am assuming that the big brave Police CONSTABLE had a bad day, his / her / them / it ( pronouns ) will forever be a prick. There should have been a request to go home before any fine. Policing by consent no ? Complain.

248223 Wolver, replying to Wolver, 1, #1169 of 1680 🔗


The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.

For reasons of extreme urgency under Regulation 32(2)(c) related to the release of a Covid-19 vaccine MHRA have accelerated the sourcing and implementation of a vaccine specific AI tool.
Strictly necessary — it is not possible to retrofit the MHRA’s legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health.
Reasons of extreme urgency — the MHRA recognises that its planned procurement process for the SafetyConnect programme, including the AI tool, would not have concluded by vaccine launch. Leading to a inability to effectively monitor adverse reactions to a Covid-19 vaccine.
Events unforeseeable — the Covid-19 crisis is novel and developments in the search of a Covid-19 vaccine have not followed any predictable pattern so far.

Just being pragmatic or expecting issues?

248229 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Wolver, 4, #1170 of 1680 🔗

…the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs)…”

Nothing to see here, move along.

248262 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Wolver, 1, #1171 of 1680 🔗

Don’t let Keir see you – he’ll put you in prison

248902 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo, #1172 of 1680 🔗

Imagine that, a former Human Rights lawyer. My, my, my.

248408 ▶▶ annie, replying to Wolver, 1, #1173 of 1680 🔗

They acknowledge that there is a potential threat to ‘patient life and public health’ which, as things stand, they are powerless to do anything about.

I.e. this vaccine coukd kill individuals or whole communities.

And it’s being rolled out at breakneck speed, outdistancing all precautions. (Remember the ‘precautionary principle’?)

Labour will presumably want the writer if this ad to go to prison for ‘misinformation’.

248451 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Wolver, #1174 of 1680 🔗

Eventually the only type of intelligence that will exist will be artificial – no human will have any real intelligence that’s for sure.

248231 Rosie, 2, #1175 of 1680 🔗

To those who produce graphs, and Mabel who stores them, I see Cheezilla has commented – what’s to be done about this? can people get together?


248255 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1176 of 1680 🔗

Dear lockdown

“R Rate 😳 0.9” Say Official CSS WHY Are We In Lockdown Boris?

248258 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #1177 of 1680 🔗

Trouble is – accept the theory of the ‘R’ numbers when it suits traps you into accepting them when it doesn’t.

Modellers’ fiction is fiction. Whatever.

248269 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1178 of 1680 🔗

They’ve moved onto hospital admissions again now I think. R will be back I’m sure. Before that it was daily “infections” that mattered, but now they can model any number of infections they like (50,000? 100,000?) the official count has become obsolete. If deaths get much above 500 per day then we won’t be able to unlock because of that. And on, and on, and on…

248316 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1179 of 1680 🔗

Even by the dodgy data of ‘Covid’ (PCR+) ‘cases’, the idea of the seriousness of SARS-CoV-2 infections is blown out of the water when you look at the whole picture.

248259 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1180 of 1680 🔗

Police break up church meeting.
No comment necessary.

248266 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1181 of 1680 🔗

They must feel very proud.

248307 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Achilles, 2, #1182 of 1680 🔗

Yes, really big men( and women)

248285 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1183 of 1680 🔗

Comment from the hierarchy???? (… was there none, I bet)

… whether its the Synod and the bishops, or the Board of Deputies and the Chief Rabbi etc. etc. – religious hierarchies in general are extensions of the establishment’s state.

And that’s the division – not that between left and right.

248409 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 2, #1184 of 1680 🔗

Going to church is a crime.
Ask Welby.

248289 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1185 of 1680 🔗

A police state is only possible where the police enforce unconstitutional laws.

248319 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to chaos, 5, #1187 of 1680 🔗

It’s a difficult one to judge. When MailOnLine published stories about returning to normal work in the summer there was overwhelming support to continue with WFH and that people were more than happy with that situation. Coffee shop, cafe, bar and restaurant staff losing thier jobs were of no consequence to them. It appears many have different degrees as to what ending lockdown actually means. A “I’m all right, Jack” version is not acceptable.

248336 ▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 2, #1188 of 1680 🔗

Actually, this story is sheer bollocks in terms of the numbers. No accuracy; no context. PCR ‘Cases’ galore and a total misrepresentation of mortality.

248531 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to chaos, #1189 of 1680 🔗

Once again covid deaths are the only ones that count. They’re so tragic. What about the other 1700 or so people who died today?

248278 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #1190 of 1680 🔗

JULY 28, 2020 / 10:48 AM

WHO says COVID-19 pandemic is ‘one big wave’, not seasonal

GENEVA (Reuters) – A World Health Organization official on Tuesday described the COVID-19 pandemic as “one big wave” and warned against complacency in the northern hemisphere summer since the infection does not share influenza’s tendency to follow seasons.


248327 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #1191 of 1680 🔗

Well – that’s clear bollocks, isn’t it? – even if the original outbreak was slightly late in therms of seasonality.

… but the WHO is, I’m afraid, busted flush.

248353 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #1192 of 1680 🔗

One big, unending wave forever more.

248388 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1193 of 1680 🔗

Jesus wept

248447 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1194 of 1680 🔗

Well that was in July – they’ve done a few flip-flops since then

248281 DJ Dod, 5, #1195 of 1680 🔗

If the reports that ‘Princess Nut Nut’ is influencing appointments at No.10 are correct, then surely this is the beginning of the end for Boris?

Incidentally, not being ‘in the loop’, I had no idea that Ms Symonds had a nickname until ‘sources within Downing Street’ complained about it… Just the sort of ‘own goal’ that wouldn’t happen if Boris would only replace that horrible Dominic Cummings. Oh, wait…

248283 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 40, #1196 of 1680 🔗

As they sing on the football terraces ‘It’s all gone quiet over there, yes it’s all gone quiet over there’

The game is up

Cummings and Cain gone

No news from the bunker this weekend

Suspect the scientists have told the pig dictator that the PCR test results are not worth the paper they are written on

With that the whole house of cards comes crashing down; it follows then that the figures for Covid deaths, Covid hospital admissions etc are all also wrong

The economy trashed. Thousands and thousands sent to an early grave by incompetence of staggering proportions.

It will go down as the biggest case of mass hysteria and fraud that the world has ever seen

248332 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1197 of 1680 🔗



248284 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 20, #1198 of 1680 🔗

Great update and its baffling how the government seems to be falling apart due to infighting. I’ve always sensed that there wasn’t something quite right about Carrie Symonds and looks like I’m right.

If indeed she’s helped influenced these disastrous policies that we have been lumbered with as well as involved in the corruption emanating from the government then we have the right to call her out on it. Especially as she’s unelected.

She and her allies should not be crying out “sexism” and “misogyny” in an attempt to stifle debate and shut down discussion. She’s a public figure like it or not and has to carry the can if its proven that she’s guilty of what I’ve said above.

248903 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #1199 of 1680 🔗

Make her carry a can for the Salvation Army next month.

248292 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 8, #1200 of 1680 🔗

In today’s update, Toby’s doctor friend highlights a real problem we face in our efforts to combat the lockdown zealots. The medical authorities aren’t releasing sufficient information to allow people to make an independent assessment of risk from the so-called second wave. Hopefully the expanding CRG (good to hear it is continuing to grow) will now put pressure on the government to disclose all information. If risks are put into context and correlations made with age, underlying medical problems, etc., my bet is that the MSM will indeed be shown to be purveyors “fake news”.

248302 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Marker, 7, #1201 of 1680 🔗

It’s certainly true that there’s some reluctance to release information, there’s a lack of transparency, and a tendency to misuse data and models to distort the truth

But ultimately the known data about all cause mortality this year here and across the world, compared to previous years, is enough to determine that covid is not the societal threat that it is portrayed as

248362 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Julian, 1, #1202 of 1680 🔗

Agree, Julian. What is unfortunate is that I’m not sure how, in the future when we look at excess deaths, we will ever be able to distinguish COVID-19 deaths from deaths caused by the policy responses to the virus.

248386 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #1203 of 1680 🔗

Sadly true, and if it wasn’t the intention has certainly been a helpful unintended consequence for those that want to spin the pandemic as causing a lot of “extra” deaths.

248360 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to James Marker, 7, #1204 of 1680 🔗

We certainly need discharge data to contextualise admissions. Callum Semple made an unqualified ‘the highest number of admissions with covid is among women aged 20-40’. Do they leave 3 days later with their newborns?

248399 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1205 of 1680 🔗

Some women aged 20-40 will read that and be petrified. If they found out the truth, that they are in very little danger from covid, who knows what they would do to Mr Semple.

“Admissions” to most people means that you are admitted to hospital for the reported illness – so when you tell people about “covid admissions” they think it means someone rushed to hospital hardly able to breathe, coughing their lungs out.

The people who say this stuff, who ought to know better, and those that publish it, are truly wicked.

248303 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1206 of 1680 🔗

Even worse than the plant-based diet nonsense!
WEF’s ideal frankenfood plan. Note that Uncle Bill is heavily involved!


248718 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1207 of 1680 🔗

Yet another area that he has zero qualifications in!

248904 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #1208 of 1680 🔗

Uncle Bill’s a Vegan?

248304 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1209 of 1680 🔗

Clarification please

Is it

Nut Nut


Nut Nuts?

248313 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1210 of 1680 🔗

She prefers Nuts.

248318 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1211 of 1680 🔗

Nut then

248575 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1212 of 1680 🔗

Well she’s certainly had Boris’s on a plate.

248320 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1213 of 1680 🔗

Princess Nuts Nuts. I think you should make an effort to get her name right as she is our new leader. I think you call her “Your Highness” to her face.

In all seriousness I am a big fan of Symonds right now for succeeding where everyone else has failed in getting rid of Cummings. Maybe she’ll turn out to be just as bad but I think that would be difficult.

248331 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to guy153, 1, #1214 of 1680 🔗

Don’t have any strong feelings about DC either way but hope Nut Nut continues to dismantle this cabal

248333 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1215 of 1680 🔗

You do understand she is one of the main architects of the great reset here in the UK? Along with Starmer and Stanley J….

She’s Rockerfeller.

248341 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to chaos, 3, #1216 of 1680 🔗

Is she? Oh well…. Wanksock next please Nut Nut 🙏

248355 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to chaos, 4, #1217 of 1680 🔗

DC was much more likely to be involved with anything dangerously radical like that.

With Nuts Nuts I hope for regression to the mean. A return to the sunlit uplands of ordinary bumbling incoherence.

248717 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, #1218 of 1680 🔗

I’m thinking of changing my user name!!!

248335 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1219 of 1680 🔗

Some speculation in The Wail that DC is plotting a devious revenge on Bozo. Would be amazing if they could get rid of each other!

248343 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to guy153, 2, #1220 of 1680 🔗

Excellent news

248349 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to guy153, 3, #1221 of 1680 🔗

Oh, I think she’ll manage that alright, and we can watch Boris become progressively unbolted as we get screwed some more. She’s got his nuts in a vice, he should have kept his johnson to himself..

248905 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Hieronimusb, #1222 of 1680 🔗

I come here for the information. I also come here for the humour. Hilarious. Keep up the good work.

248460 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to guy153, 1, #1223 of 1680 🔗

Oh no , princess nut nuts Macbeth would be far worse, Cummings was intelligent but obnoxious. He was bad. nut nuts only studied drama and art history at Warwick , somebody from her background that did not go to Oxford must of pretty limited intelligence

her greenery is frankly sentimental and highly dangerous, by 2030 we will be freezing in darkness . She has also sorts of fringe beliefs and only thinks about virtue signalling to her chums. Adding the nepotism and ignorance to her other other qualities of arrogance

fortunately bozo will probably be out next year, god knows who they will chose to replace him. I am not hopeful for my adopted homeland

248564 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1224 of 1680 🔗

Has Cummings really relinquished or been relieved of all of his role?
It all looked very stage-managed to me; leaving by the front door, with a little box of stuff, and all cameras there to record the moment.
Intelligent yes, obnoxious yes, but is he gone?
I doubt it…

248308 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 49, #1225 of 1680 🔗

B&M staying open
Wickes staying open
B&Q staying open
All off licences staying open
Macdonald’s Burger King and KFC staying open
All supermarkets staying open
All take aways staying open
Schools colleges universities staying open
PC world staying open
Curry’s staying open
The Range
Auto centres
Majestic Wines
Costa Coffee
Pets At Home
M&S clothing
Carpet Right

Remind me again please about the rules of lockdown because the 𝗦𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗜𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗽𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗕𝘂𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘀 𝗗𝗼 𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝗨𝗡𝗗𝗘𝗥𝗦𝗧𝗔𝗡𝗗

248321 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Cheezilla, 18, #1226 of 1680 🔗

This is what I keep saying it is a very bizarre lockdown, you can also have acupunture treatments apparently as thats medical, but you cant have a haircut. This really is hammering small business, and putting all the money into big business.

248326 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tking, 4, #1227 of 1680 🔗

you can see a physio or osteopathh but cant have the treatment done in a spa or massage therapists, wtf! Osteopaths are not medical professionals they are complimentary practitioners

248491 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Iansn, 1, #1228 of 1680 🔗

Just for the record Osteopathy is available in some NHS trusts.

248322 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1229 of 1680 🔗

I’d argue universities are barely open but that’s no change.

248381 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 4, #1230 of 1680 🔗

Totally agree – should be shouted from the rooftops. Schools are open but Unis are more or less 100% online. Once again the government given a free pass by the opposition and the media.

248406 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 1, #1231 of 1680 🔗

Probably for the better given their religious fundamentalism.

248368 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1232 of 1680 🔗

You forgot Ladbrokes and Paddy Power. God bless em.

248505 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1233 of 1680 🔗

Great post. This accentuates the utter inconsistency and absurdity.

248630 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to common conservative, 1, #1234 of 1680 🔗

Thanks but I can’t take credit. Nicked it off fb.

248570 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1235 of 1680 🔗

There are plenty of loopholes for small businesses that would enable them to continue trading. I’m beginning to think that they deserve to go bust if they just capitulate to this crap.

248317 Cecil B, 5, #1236 of 1680 🔗

If things keep going the way they are, this time next year Marcus Rashford will be asking you to pay for his lunch

248323 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 18, #1237 of 1680 🔗


Of the 27,000 tracers that were brought in earlier this year to contact people who had spent more than 15 minutes in close proximity to anyone who had tested positive for Covid, how many are still employed?

What has happened to test and trace? I haven’t received any messages for weeks now, begging me to download the app.

What is Priti Patel planning to do about the protests which have taken place this weekend in some of the major cities? Wasn’t she supposed to have banned protests? Is she losing her grip?!!

Is the end in sight? I do hope so, before the government has any more chances to make itself look more foolish than it does already.

248366 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, 1, #1238 of 1680 🔗

Remember the national covid volunteer initiative? Thousands signed up. Did I dream that?

248378 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1239 of 1680 🔗

I don’t think any of th volunteers ever got called. It is never mentioned now so presumably was just theatre – served its purpose.

248325 Paul, replying to Paul, 5, #1240 of 1680 🔗

Front page of our local propaganda sheet this week,I love the call for us to help stop the NHS buckling from the pressure !

248345 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Paul, 1, #1241 of 1680 🔗

It’s time for this.

248369 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to leggy, 1, #1242 of 1680 🔗

(For the uninitiated, that’s interweb sensation Side-Eying Chloe .)

248420 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 3, #1243 of 1680 🔗

Pass the bucket.

248330 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1244 of 1680 🔗

How about this to brighten up a dull Sunday afternoon:

Coronavirus doctor’s diary: The Yorkshire cemetery struggling to keep up with burials


Some great quotes:

“We’ve got three shifts of gravediggers and bereavement support people working from six in the morning until 10pm, preparing graves. In the last 10 days we’ve had 38 burials, which would be the figure we’d normally have in a bad winter month,”

“As fast as we’re digging the graves we’re filling them up with dead bodies. It’s really really concerning, and my staff are getting to the stage where we’re at full capacity. We’re having to bring in a construction company to see if we can find new methods to design and prepare for digging a grave.”

248338 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1245 of 1680 🔗

It took two months to bury my Nan five years ago. File this alongside ‘NHS gets overwhelmed at winter’.

248528 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1246 of 1680 🔗

Bloody hell, how deep did you dig? I’ll get my jacket.

248354 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1247 of 1680 🔗

Non story. Cemeteries in South East have long since been “full” and cremations etc are often encouraged. No one gives a fuck BBC. This is OVER.

248364 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1248 of 1680 🔗

Perhaps we should refer the BBC to their own articles from several years ago:

248374 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1249 of 1680 🔗

Are there really more deaths in Yorkshire than normal for this time of year? 10 days this year equating to a whole month’s worth in a bad year would mean that at least three times as many people are dying right now in Yorkshire as normally do at this time of year – a 300% increase. That doesn’t seem plausible to me. It’s either a lie or the person they interviewed doesn’t know what they are talking about. Surely the BBC fact-checked it?

248402 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Julian, 3, #1250 of 1680 🔗

If not, Labour can push to prosecute for spreading misinformation surely?

248514 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Julian, 1, #1251 of 1680 🔗

No – it’s specifically about Muslims in Bradford who have specific religious and timebound requirements, limits on space and no cremation so not typical of the rest of Yorkshire at all.

248392 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1252 of 1680 🔗

Ye gods..
All-cause mortality much the same as most years.
And they still put out this scaremongering tosh.

248417 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1253 of 1680 🔗

They shouldn’t have insisted on social distancing between corpses.
What did they all die if?

248625 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1254 of 1680 🔗


248421 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1255 of 1680 🔗

Younger son has been doing a lot of website work for various funeral directors lately-nothing to do with any increase in deaths- just got recommended by word of mouth.
I’m very proud to say that both he and his elder brother are massive sceptics.

He chats with the staff at each place who all tell him that nothing out of the ordinary is happening.

Oh, one place did get overwhelmed at one point and had to keep rotating the bodies between refrigerators and coffins as they had run out of space-but before anyone starts panicking, this was several years ago during a bad flu season.

248508 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1256 of 1680 🔗

It’s an article about Muslims. They don’t cremate and have to bury within 24 hours. What could possibly go wrong in an overcrowded urban area?

248334 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #1257 of 1680 🔗

Dame Sally Davies commenting on the role of obesity in all this. As the chart below illustrates only too well, there’s a remarkable correlation between the decline of smoking & the growth in obesity. What’s more it no transpires that smoking has an inverse correlation with covid deaths.
Bring back smoking, solve obesity!

248340 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NickR, 4, #1258 of 1680 🔗

Dame Sally Davies, the world’s number one kill-joy. Remember her on about alcohol?

248351 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 5, #1259 of 1680 🔗

Classic illustration of the distinction between correlation and causation.

Almost a model example of the error.

248359 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to RickH, 6, #1260 of 1680 🔗

As a Pastafarian , I object to your attack on correlation-causation.

248365 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1261 of 1680 🔗


248414 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to RickH, 2, #1262 of 1680 🔗

I put it up as a bit of a joke but I’m not sure whether there isn’t some truth in it. It’s only anecdotal but I knew lots of people who quit smoking & put on weight.

248825 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NickR, #1263 of 1680 🔗

Where there’s a clear correlation alongside a straightforward and familiar mechanism, such as you describe, that would connect the two phenomena, that creates a reasonable rebuttable presumption for the hypothesis of causation. It’s up to those who don’t want to accept that the drop in smoking has contributed to the rise in weight then to produce evidence that it has not.

(For all I know they might have done so – it’s not a topic I’ve ever really been interested in.)

248380 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NickR, 2, #1264 of 1680 🔗

Infuriated by her attitude. All about big government – can’t possibly expect people to take personal responsibility. Just another vote for relinquishing autonomy to be protected from ourselves.

248523 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NickR, 1, #1265 of 1680 🔗

Might solve the pensions crisis too.

248346 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1266 of 1680 🔗

PNN ‘We have to get rid of him’

PD ‘It’s not as easy as that, he would have to do something I could sack him for’

PNN ‘What if he was calling me names, you know like horrible names in texts’

PD ‘ What like the PNN ones that GCHQ are picking up’

PNN ‘Yeah’

PD ‘But I can’t just ask him for his phone, and we can’t let him know the source

PNN ‘If there was a leak enquiry leak could you look at his phone?’

248350 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1267 of 1680 🔗

Spot on

248358 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 22, #1268 of 1680 🔗

Johnson’s managed to go from a bit of a “lad” to a hen pecked joke inside a week. Previous he was a dominated joke in the thrall of Cummins. Now this. He is so done. Ironically only the Covid mess might keep him in place. In ordinary times he would be out by Thursday. A global crisis and this mob are acting like 12 year old school kids. No wonder jokers like Vallance are running the country.

248367 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1269 of 1680 🔗

He’s been a sausage since day one.

248370 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, #1270 of 1680 🔗

Yes, it’s hard to see him being re-electable right now though a “successful” Brexit might help – I know some Brexiteers who still defend him because of his role in making it happen, even sceptical ones find it very hard to attack him because they feel disloyal or miguidedly think he still represents them.

248382 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Julian, 2, #1271 of 1680 🔗

Hate to say it but forget elections for the foreseeable.

248709 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to KBuchanan, #1272 of 1680 🔗

Unless Smartmatic are involved – apparently Khan seems to have signed London up for the system for the next mayoral elections. Rigged outcome?

248390 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Julian, 17, #1273 of 1680 🔗

“because of his role in making it happen”

I voted Leave. I regarded Kemal Fatterturk as a Remainer who expected Remain to win but decided that pretending to be Leaver would boost his popularity with Conservative Party members. That’s why he looked so distraught when the result came in.

I think it is absurd to give the wretch any credit for the result.

248395 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ossettian, #1274 of 1680 🔗

I voted Leave too. I agree it is highly questionable that he was a true believer, but he possibly contributed a bit to the referendum win and did manage to push the Tories to have an election and won with a big enough majority to be able push through the necessary legislation.

248518 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, -1, #1275 of 1680 🔗

Given that polls over the years suggested a 60-65% Eurosceptic position, I think Vote Leave failed in that it didn’t reach a lot of its potential support. I assume the 26% registered to vote but who didn’t bother, don’t care either way what the result might have been.

248404 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ossettian, 8, #1276 of 1680 🔗

I voted leave because I thought we’d be better off with the country being run from London instead of Brussels.

My, do I feel silly now.

248419 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #1277 of 1680 🔗

No MC don’t think like that. Hold your nerve. You must have voted with integrity. We need to leave the EU. In the longer term we will prevail against the winds of misfortune better as a sovereign nation.
We just happen to be in the midst of an unnecessary global panic.

248712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Marialta, 2, #1278 of 1680 🔗

Agree but worry that without Cummings we will get May’s sellout ‘deal’…not what we voted for..

248482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Mabel Cow, #1279 of 1680 🔗

No wonder these morons love the EU, what you mean we have to make policy and Ballance the books on only £250k

248474 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Ossettian, -1, #1280 of 1680 🔗

Execution for the lard bucket and his bitch.

248407 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #1281 of 1680 🔗

Well – the one thing that’s now been proved is what a massive irrelevance was the whole Brexit debacle whilst the real issues were creeping up behind.

248412 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #1282 of 1680 🔗

Yes it doesn’t seem very important right now

248610 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #1283 of 1680 🔗

Don’t underestimate the importance of the Brexit fiasco:


This isn’t just about Christmas. A wonderful local charity organisation that supports a whole range of needy people (from refugees to homeless to the rehabilitating and the just plain poor), is having serious problems because the containers aren’t moving so they can’t get the charity stuff to the people who desperately need it. Also, they can’t store much so are having to turn down donations which will probably end up in landfill.

248799 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #1284 of 1680 🔗

The Brexit vote is one of the events that pushed the Globablists to rachet up their program and use all means at their disposal.

248376 ▶▶ Will, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1285 of 1680 🔗

The other factor is that no one is going to want the job at the moment.

248379 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Will, 5, #1286 of 1680 🔗

Sarah Vine always wants the job for her Michael!

248401 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1287 of 1680 🔗

… talking of twats ….!

248437 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, #1288 of 1680 🔗


248393 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Will, 3, #1289 of 1680 🔗

There I think you are wrong: the power-crazed nature of most politicians is one of the very few constants.

248497 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Will, 1, #1290 of 1680 🔗

Yes, I think the Tories might as well spend, spend, spend for the foreseeable and leave it to the next lot to sort out the mess, the 2024 election is one that no one will want to win!

248389 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1291 of 1680 🔗

I’ve just been watching the first (1962) Manchurian Candidate – does anyone ever get a feeling of deja vu?

248394 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1292 of 1680 🔗

If Johnson was ever ‘a bit of a lad’ then one fears for ‘lads’ in this once manly nation. Johnson’s a prize burk. His one redeeming quality was his ability to recite classical Greek literature (his ‘buffoonery’ was/is clearly affected). Now that’s long forgotten.

I once saw him give a splendid talk on Churchill. The man loves Churchill. Imagine how he must feel knowing he’s not fit to lace Churchill’s ones and twos. Because mark my words, he knows.

248506 ▶▶▶ Graham, replying to common conservative, 2, #1293 of 1680 🔗

I was taken in myself. Being able to recite the first 50 lines of the Iliad in I admit a reasonably good pronunciation does not a prime minister make. Or even a classicist. If you want a classicist PM Gladstone is the fellow.

248521 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Graham, #1294 of 1680 🔗

If you want a classic PM, Gladstone is STILL the fellow.

248561 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Graham, #1295 of 1680 🔗

Allow me to apologise for my lack of clarity. I was not ‘taken in’ by anything. I’m sorry that you were.

248618 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to common conservative, #1296 of 1680 🔗

The ability to recite classical Greek literature is such a useful skill to have nowadays.

248682 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Cheezilla, #1297 of 1680 🔗

I never said, nor hinted, that it was ‘useful’.

248398 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1298 of 1680 🔗

Johnson has been – obviously – a pathetic (and dangerous) narcissistic and incompetent twat for years.

Anyone who thought him ‘a bit of a lad’ has been sadly lacking in judgment – and possibly never truly awake.

248375 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 14, #1299 of 1680 🔗

Good quote from the comments btl Fuellmich interview, posted here earlier. At the beginning of the pandemic, the Chancellor from Austria said:
 “Each of us will soon know someone from our family or friends who died from the virus.” But now have a look around. Each of us knows someone who has lost his job or is facing bankruptcy.

248384 ▶▶ IanE, replying to BJJ, 4, #1300 of 1680 🔗

Quite – about 1 in 1000 have died WITH a positive Covid test result; 1 in ~30 (or more) fall in the second category and a lot more have had life prospects badly damaged!

248385 Mabel Cow, 4, #1301 of 1680 🔗

I’ve fixed a schoolcow error in Panscepticon’s link library whereby URLs mentioned more than once in a comment were gaining too much like-juice . Henceforth, if a comment contains N links, each link only inherits 1/N of the comment’s likes .

Sadly, it means that my website is no longer at the top (woe is me) but I’m happy to cede first place to the excellent Facts about Covid-19 page from the Swiss Policy Research project.

248391 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 30, #1302 of 1680 🔗

I’ve discovered a foolproof way of testing a hypothesis:

Put it on facebook and if it’s banned, you know you were right!

248403 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1303 of 1680 🔗

Or if a fact checker ‘debunks’ it, it’s definitely an incontrovertible truth.

248405 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #1304 of 1680 🔗

Just seen this on the BBC’s website:

Most of the debilitating effects of statins are not caused by the drug, but by people believing it will make them sick, a UK study suggests.
The phenomenon is known as the “nocebo effect” and may account for 90% of the ill health associated with the cholesterol-lowering drugs.
The British Heart Foundation said the results were undeniable.
The Imperial College London researchers hope the findings will help more people stay on statins.
The drugs are one of the most prescribed in the UK. Nearly eight million people taken them to lower their cholesterol and in turn reduce the risk of heart attacks and stroke.

Wonder if they’ll use this rationale if there are side-effects associated with the wonder vaccine. And, look, it’s our old muckers at ICL suggesting this …

248425 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to kh1485, 9, #1305 of 1680 🔗

What a load of rubbish. Statins are a joke.

248593 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1306 of 1680 🔗

They’re a very sick joke!

248428 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kh1485, 17, #1307 of 1680 🔗

I’m starting to grow weary of being blamed for every goddamned thing that goes wrong in the world.

  • Lockdown didn’t work? It’s because the people didn’t do it right.
  • “R-value” going up? Not wearing masks enough.
  • Shitty drug didn’t work? It’s because I didn’t believe in it. I thought it was supposed to be a medicine, not a fucking Unicorn.

Instead of invoking something akin to the no true Scotsman fallacy, perhaps these twats could just stop pushing their cretinous, half-baked, pseudo-scientific bullshit on us.

248432 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #1308 of 1680 🔗

Me too, as I mentioned yesterday about the customer who complained about those “not behaving themselves” being at fault for the second lockdown.

I had to read that article twice – I thought I’d mis-read it. But yes, “your drug didn’t work, well it’s your own fault for thinking it would make you sick”. If this weren’t so bloody serious, a comment like that would be laughable.

248795 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mabel Cow, #1309 of 1680 🔗

Hear! Hear! They certainly are scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

248435 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 5, #1310 of 1680 🔗

I think Statins give people altzheimers by attacking your body fat and mylin sheaths around your nerve cells so causing your brain to turn into Swiss cheese.

248440 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1311 of 1680 🔗

Well, from my own research into this, cholesterol isn’t something you want to get rid of as it forms a protective layer around every cell. My levels are very high and a doctor tried to get me on statins years ago. I Iooked into it (thank you Dr Malcolm Kendrick) and decided they weren’t for me. Makes me laugh if ever I have a blood test and the stern-faced doctor’s receptionist tells me sensoriously that I should cut down on my fat intake.

248480 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kh1485, 11, #1312 of 1680 🔗

If you want cholesterol, head round to my house.

Each week I consume two pints of double cream, a packet of fatty bacon, 15 to 20 eggs, five chicken breasts, and several pans of vegetables fried in oodles of fat.

I eat once a day and then I don’t eat again for the next 20 to 22 hours. I exercise a lot, but I’m in the best shape of my life and fit as a fiddle.

Bollocks to the sugar-industry sponsored food pyramid. 😀

248489 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1313 of 1680 🔗

My keto hero 😊

248492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1314 of 1680 🔗

Or heroine, one can never be sure 😊

248495 ▶▶▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1315 of 1680 🔗

Sounds like a classic low carb diet. Well done! My son lost 5 stone on it, going from fat to slim in about 8 months. I have gone from slightly plump to almost slim with no stress at all. Cholesterol is a paper tiger.

248502 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1316 of 1680 🔗

Similar diet for me, Mabel, since January. Back to the same figure I had at 18 and so much healthier in every way. Can’t believe I missed out on 4 decades of double cream in my coffee. Bollocks to the food pyramid indeed!

248509 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1317 of 1680 🔗

Low carb + intermittent fasting.. you’ve totally nailed it.

248525 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Dave Tee, 3, #1318 of 1680 🔗

I’m on day 855 of my 20+ hour intermittent fasting. I have solid, unwavering concentration all day long and have entirely forgotten what hunger feels like.

248549 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Dave Tee, #1319 of 1680 🔗

But I love carbs…

248597 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 1, #1320 of 1680 🔗

Butter is better!

248510 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1321 of 1680 🔗

Sounds like my diet.

Yep, Ancel Keys has a lot to answer for. Another expert who used data selectively.

248606 ▶▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Mabel Cow, #1322 of 1680 🔗

you might want to follow a US chap (if you dont already know him) called Dave Champion on face book, he has a page called Dr Reality, might be of interest to you. He just done over a year on full carnivour.

248444 ▶▶ Will, replying to kh1485, 6, #1323 of 1680 🔗

If Imperial say something is a good idea I won’t be doing it, ever.

248449 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kh1485, 3, #1324 of 1680 🔗

The nocebo effect is interesting, though, because it is one of the ways that humans demonstrate their suggestibility. I’m betting it plays a big role in long covid. I have no idea about statins but it is certainly possible to influence someone’s perception of their health by psychological means, intentionally or unintentionally.

248456 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 2, #1325 of 1680 🔗

Yeah, that extra head you grew right after getting the vaccine is all in your imagination. Short of dropping dead in the office right after being jabbed, they won’t acknowledge any ill effects.

248470 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1326 of 1680 🔗

That wouldn’t work either covid killed you

248498 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jaguarpig, #1327 of 1680 🔗

Bound to get a positive test.

248490 ▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 4, #1328 of 1680 🔗

I’m trialling red wine – I’ve heard it has good qualities in this regard.
Will report back on how it’s going

248907 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CGL, #1329 of 1680 🔗

Nitric Oxide.

248516 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, 1, #1330 of 1680 🔗

I’m sure this effect is responsible for plenty of the Long Covid reports too. After all, if you’re told that you’re likely to have long term effects from a “killer” disease then you probably will. I don’t doubt that some people are genuinely suffering following a bad bout, but not in the numbers and with the implausible diversity of symptoms that are being claimed. Also, the influence of lockdown haven’t been taken into account. This has been a massive social and economic experiment on a scale never carried out before. Who knows what the effects on physical and mental health will be, certainly no one seems bothered finding out. I could easily tick half the supposed Long Covid symptoms (e.g. depression, anxiety, insomnia, fatigue, headaches, anger, brain fog) because of how much the restrictions have affected me. There seems to have ben zero effort to differentiate, which is very poor science.

248592 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #1331 of 1680 🔗

A few years ago, when DH had his second heart attack, he was recovering very well then suddenly had a setback and looked more like he was dying than during the heart attack.
He was convinced it was the cocktail of drugs they’d sent him home with and flatly refused to take them. We finally got to see a GP. She noted his symptoms and told him it was probably the statins and that he should take CoQ10. Funny how the cardiologists hadn’t mentioned that.
Anyway, I googled statins and CoQ10 and forbade him to take statins ever again. He felt much better for it too!

248721 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to kh1485, #1332 of 1680 🔗

Not taking statins is a simple precaution, guaranteed to protect you against this ‘nocebo effect’.
Not receiving a vaccine also affords similar protection.

248410 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #1333 of 1680 🔗

Update from the Recovery lot. Make of it what you will. A little bit wishy washy so far but mentions co-ordinating the sceptic MPs which is possibly helpful. I’ve not seen much detail of the opinion polling but think that doing decent polling has got to be a good avenue. The imminent campaign to balance SAGE sounds interesting.

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  3. Emma Kenny’s speech to MPs made a such big impact.
  4. We co-ordinated the MPs who voted against the lockdown.
  5. Helped the formation of the parliamentary Covid Recovery group – now 70 strong.
  6. Baroness McDonagh and Alex Proud building strong cross-party support.
  7. A robust weekly opinion polling programme that regularly hits the headlines.
  8. Projections onto the Houses of Parliament and elsewhere making national news.
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248429 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, #1334 of 1680 🔗

It reads very amateur

248423 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1335 of 1680 🔗

Maybe this was already posted? If so, apologies:

‘We investigated the presence of SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD)–specific antibodies in blood samples of 959 asymptomatic individuals enrolled in a prospective lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 to track the date of onset, frequency, and temporal and geographic variations across the Italian regions. SARS-CoV-2 RBD-specific antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy. This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic.’

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0300891620974755 (11 Nov)

All the evidence for ‘early covid’ before Dec 2019 has so far been anecdotal as far as I am aware?

Certainly I have spoken to someone who was desperately ill with a respiratory condition Oct 2019 in Leeds……suspected contracted from Chinese students returning from China for the autumn term at Leeds University……

248433 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1336 of 1680 🔗

Tim, see comment from this morning (Guy, then me).

248512 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1337 of 1680 🔗

Ooops….yes, a lot of discussion. Very interesting. Thanks.

Arguably more evidence that this is simply another seasonal common cold coronavirus…..which pretty much passed unnoticed until Professor Pantsdown kicked off the whole carry on covid pantomime (must be some good comedy potential there?) and China/WHO/Democratic Party saw an opportunity to remove Trump….and our very own Prince of the Macadamias saw his chance to bury brexit bad news.

Now, Biden elect(ed)….vaccine….hurrah, we’re all saved (not)…… and brexit advisors swiftly dispensed with (brexit must be a done deal now, bar the shouting?)

Democracy: the least worst system of government……

248515 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1338 of 1680 🔗

Also see my comment from this morning.
I am of the opinion that although the evidence is anecdotal, it is a valid observation.
using Richard Feynman’s approach:
Hypothesis: SARS-COV-2 was present in the U.K. 12 months ago

Observations: Multiple reports of respiratory infections that could be SARS-COV-2/CoViD19 based on the initial symptoms of mild fever >37.7 and/or persistent cough.

Unable to prove hypothesis, but observations could match the hypothesis, however the null hypothesis would be that these observations were NOT CoViD19 related and purely coincidental.

Therefore need more observational data.

248427 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1339 of 1680 🔗

Interesting thread on the Pfizer jabbythingy:


248577 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan, #1340 of 1680 🔗
248591 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, #1341 of 1680 🔗

Nightmare. How on earth can they get to the human trials stage with toxic crap like this. Insane.

248431 Danny, replying to Danny, 21, #1342 of 1680 🔗

Used to like reading the guardian and rate it, albeit acutely aware of its partisan limitations.
Since Covid they have been disgraceful in their excitable scaremongering.
All the headlines today are about the drop in cases and mortality levels.
The guardian? The long term health effects of Covid in young people.
They seem intent on hyping this beyond belief. Fine, I can see it for what it is, as I would imagine can most on these pages, but how many isolated, lonely and petrified people hang on every word of the guardian and the BBC?
That is what really angers me.

248436 ▶▶ annie, replying to Danny, 8, #1343 of 1680 🔗

What they really want to do is scream about piles of youthful Covviecorpses. They would just love that.
Unfortunately there aren’t any.
Longcovvie is a pretty poor substitute, but it’s all they got.

248484 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Danny, 3, #1344 of 1680 🔗

‘Used to like reading the guardian and rate it…’

Oh, so you’re the one.

248487 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Danny, 5, #1345 of 1680 🔗

Yes, the Guardian is obsessed with Long Covid. My brother, a veteran Guardian reader (but youngish and healthy) has become slightly phobic of normal human interaction because he’s convinced that he will suffer long term effects, if he doesn’t die that is. It’s like post-viral illness never existed before March…

248494 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1346 of 1680 🔗

The Graun is obsessed with much that is stupid and absurd. I read the rag and its deranged columnists, but anyone who ‘rate[s]’ it must be equally insane.

248546 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to common conservative, 1, #1347 of 1680 🔗

Depends on your politics. It’s gone downhill in recent years

248517 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1348 of 1680 🔗

And how come so many medics were sceptical about ME but not Long Covid?

248532 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 2, #1349 of 1680 🔗


248569 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to A. Contrarian, #1350 of 1680 🔗

Post viral/bacterial illnesses include:
encephalitis, fatigue, rash, rheumatic fever, cardiac problems.

248522 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Danny, 2, #1351 of 1680 🔗

It’s not since Covid, danny. The Graun has been a dead duck for ten years or so – ever since they sold out.

248537 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to RickH, #1352 of 1680 🔗

To what did the Graun sell out, Rick?

248599 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to RickH, 1, #1353 of 1680 🔗

Come on, Lefty, tell me about the Graun’s good old days.

248539 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Danny, 4, #1354 of 1680 🔗

The telegraph have decent sceptical opinion pieces but a lot of their everyday “live update” and Covid-specific articles are as badly researched, biased and fear mongering as anything out there.

248559 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Adamb, 1, #1355 of 1680 🔗

That’s probably cos they’re pasted in from reuters and the press association.

248548 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Danny, #1356 of 1680 🔗

Wow. Check out the comments on ‘danny’s’ post. It seems people are not rating the Grauniad according to its world view/general stance, rather they are ‘rating’ it according to its position on nCoV! If this does not render absurd the myopic fixation of ‘lockdown sceptics’ then tell me what could fit that bill!

For the record, I’m anti-lockdown.

248434 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #1357 of 1680 🔗

Intense global competition for covid bozo of the week.

Britain’s Prince of the Macadamias is right up there with the best but I like this one:

‘….multiple Governors berate and blame their citizens for cases surges, with absolutely no evidence of behavior change. Here is the champ. Gov. Steve Sisolak chastising Nevadans this week for their supposed responsibility for more cases: “I’m not going to come back in two weeks and say I’m going to give you another chance.” After the Governor then tested positive on Friday for CV-19: “You can take all the precautions that are possible and you can still contract the virus. I don’t know how I got it.”


248438 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #1358 of 1680 🔗

Governor, here’s hint as to how you got it — masks don’t work. Oh, and you probably don’t have it, you’ve just got a positive PCR test.

248477 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #1359 of 1680 🔗

Ha ha ha! A bit like when Bozo and co caught it, and it was evidence of how “indiscriminate” the virus is. However when we catch it, it must be because we’ve been breaking the rules or not doing our social distancing properly. What an idiot.

248576 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1360 of 1680 🔗

Hahahahaha rofl, and lmao
teee hee tee hee
chrotle fwip
It’s because of the plebs being naughty innit.
What a Muppet. How do these guys get elected?

248793 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to A. Contrarian, #1361 of 1680 🔗

We are all sinners.

248485 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1362 of 1680 🔗

Perhaps there is a god, after all…

248556 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, #1363 of 1680 🔗


248442 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 29, #1364 of 1680 🔗

I think we are seeing a change coming. The doctors and the scientists are working out how they can cover their backsides, how to burn their Nazi uniforms and keep their position as Gauleiters under a new leadership. That is what they are thinking in their millions. The numbers do not support the hysteria and these people know that the game is up. The politicians live in a sea of lies so they will not have a problem. They will just invent a new lie. But essentially it is game over for the virus. I predict that you will have a hard time to find a soul in March that remembers supporting the hysteria. It will sadly take us some years sorting out the mess, and lots of lives will have been destroyed. But I am optimistic today

248445 ▶▶ DRW, replying to BJJ, 6, #1365 of 1680 🔗

I wish I was, they can keep this going for years.

248450 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to DRW, 11, #1366 of 1680 🔗

No, they can´t. Rest assured.

248455 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BJJ, 7, #1367 of 1680 🔗

I love your optimism BJJ- and I need it! I don’t think DRW’s view is unrealistic though. The numbers haven’t supported the hysteria for months. Definitely good to embrace hope wherever we find it though, imo.

248458 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BJJ, 4, #1368 of 1680 🔗

The numbers haven’t justified anything since June at the latest. Yet here we still are with no end in sight. facts don’t matter anymore, just a relentlessly pushed narrative.

248471 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DRW, 8, #1369 of 1680 🔗

True, but I do think that eventually almost everyone will get so sick of these seemingly never-ending restrictions that the govt won’t be able to keep it going without undermining their authority. Even the difference between now and March is significant, in terms of higher profile sceptical voices and public discontent (I know what the polls say, but people’s behaviour and what they do and say tell another story, zealots excepted). Once this winter is over I think it will be much more difficult (although not impossible of course) to maintain.

248499 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to DRW, 16, #1370 of 1680 🔗

Life is a combination of millions of details. When you combine the interview with Maureen Eams, the recent editorial in the BMJ, the GBD, all the work of people like Heneghan et. al, Yeadon, Fuellmich etc. The film Hold Up in France, the protests all over, I could go on… Details like the Grandmothers who suddenly discover what is happening to their grandchildren, the shocking stories of old people being cut of from all contact with their family. I heard recently from a senior doctor in a big Scandinavian University hospital who said she had difficulty sleeping, – because of the lies she said. Add this to the mix and soon you will discern a pattern: nobody is dying, numbers are being falsified, and soon the word gets out. We are being lied to. There are already cracks developing, and just like the fall of the Berlin Wall. It happens suddenly. Nobody really predicted it. It just had fallen. Without a warning. This is how this thing will end. Very suddenly.

248544 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to BJJ, 7, #1371 of 1680 🔗

Agree BJJ. It will be swift and brutal. Cummings & Cain signal the start of that process. The Steve Baker/Mark Harper initiative will be emboldened. Boris is already on borrowed time. Dame Sally was getting her excuses in early last week – suggests she knows it is about to hit the fan within the science/medical blob. One or more of the protagonists cannot live with themselves. It’s imploding.

248695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1372 of 1680 🔗

I’m still worried Steve B has sold out and been bribed through promotion to the Privy Council.. Been reading today about the amount of power and money in that group of individuals, with regards to Mark Malloch Brown (he of Smartmatic, which also is heavily involved in biometrics and smart cities – which are part of the great reset…)

248649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BJJ, 4, #1373 of 1680 🔗

And add Denmark kicking out an attempt to legislate mandatory vaccination!

248653 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BJJ, 3, #1374 of 1680 🔗

Conversations I’ve had today, including with one up until now, extreme bedwetter agree with this. It’s over.

What happens next is the sixty million dollar question

248538 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 5, #1375 of 1680 🔗

But a lot more people are aware of the deception now than they were in June!

248454 ▶▶ merlin, replying to BJJ, 5, #1376 of 1680 🔗

I think the best we can hope for is a tactical retreat as they know the population is not as fearful as they would have liked.
I still believe that they want these vaccines inside us and the health passports that go with them. So if you are right, then be ready for covid 21.

248483 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to merlin, 4, #1377 of 1680 🔗

They haven’t got the money for it. The pit isn’t bottomless, there must always be an accounting.

248697 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to merlin, #1378 of 1680 🔗

Whatever happens I think they will still be going all out for promoting the great reset…

248461 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to BJJ, 9, #1379 of 1680 🔗

I still maintain what Yeadon said is spot on. (To paraphrase) ‘It’s not over until Sage says it is.’ The burning question is whether there will be any change of personnel anytime soon …….

248542 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 4, #1380 of 1680 🔗

dePiffle supposedly about to reshuffle the Cabinet so hopefully Sage is also in the firing line.

248481 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to BJJ, 9, #1381 of 1680 🔗

Thank you BJJ, definitely need some optimism. I am hearing the tide slowly change amongst the sheep I know…..yes they are 7 months behind us but the more the merrier and the momentum will speed up.

248543 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1382 of 1680 🔗

100th monkey syndrome. Don’t give up now we have momentum.

248648 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BJJ, 4, #1383 of 1680 🔗

We have a list don’t worry.

I agree fully with what you say. I think once PCR is replaced or thrown out completely in the very near future, it will be like a curtain being pulled back for many. Zealots will look at the case rate drop like a stone overnight, NHS staff returning back to work and deaths being attributed instead to actual causes again, and their minds will simply explode.

248670 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BJJ, 3, #1384 of 1680 🔗

There is also this:
Doctors in Ireland penning a letter to ask for a total rethink of Covid approach immediately.


One of the Drs is from my local town and she has been called all sorts by locals since calling out the casedemic since March and been vocal on the futility of masks too


248443 calchas, 3, #1385 of 1680 🔗

Packed night-club in Wuhan – from September


Awful music, but who cares. Great to see the kids enjoying themselves.

248453 swedenborg, 3, #1386 of 1680 🔗


A very long new and well researched article on the web about the discussion about the origin of Sars-Cov 2.It discusses the serious questions about the origin but doesn’t jump into firm conclusions. The article has been peer reviewed by the we known researcher Alina Chan. Sometimes very technical but there are many unanswered questions , perhaps highlighted by the recent article about SarsCov-2 antibodies in Italy Sept 2019,if there could be Sars Cov-2 virus already isolated several years ago in the Chinese databases making it possible it was circulating locally in Yunnan before spreading to Wuhan.

248457 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1387 of 1680 🔗
248476 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1388 of 1680 🔗

“…reimagine…”, anyone who uses such a word is, by definition, a bullshitter.

248643 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1389 of 1680 🔗

“the art of the possible”


248906 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1390 of 1680 🔗

Sustainable development. Vibrant. Life changing.

248536 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1391 of 1680 🔗

They’re causing extreme poverty so they can remedy it. WTF?? Is that building back better?
He sounds like a robot too. Scary stuff!!

248540 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1392 of 1680 🔗

Sadly he’s doing as he’s told. I really hope that once all this shit is eventually picked up by major news people will start to realise just how the world is actually run and that MPs and parliament etc. is all for show.

248634 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1393 of 1680 🔗

What a knob! God I feel sorry for our Canadian friends, our blonde beached whale is bad, but I’d be truly ashamed to live in a country that voted this fucktard into office.

248459 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1394 of 1680 🔗

Assuming this idiotic lockdown ends on December 2nd, I’ll be looking to visit a hairdresser. What’re your experiences regarding mask exemptions in them?

Alternatively, I guess I could try to cut my own hair again I guess…

248462 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1395 of 1680 🔗

Technically nowhere should be able to refuse you entry if you say you’re exempt.

248468 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1396 of 1680 🔗

I know, but given the high level of compliance regarding the muzzle diktat, there may be some hairdressers unaware of the exemptions!

248486 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1397 of 1680 🔗

Mine has done my hair for so long now so the relationship is good. However if this is a first with this hairdresser have the conversation when you book. Make sure they know you know the law if there is any pushback. A gentle reminder that they must not breach the EA might help.

I have this problem too – I binned mine after she was rough with my Mum (who wheezes when she breathes) for not pulling her mask up over her nose – nasty witch!
It’s hard having principles sometimes.

248478 ▶▶ steph, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1399 of 1680 🔗

My hairdresser accepted the exemption without question. I was not her first.

248535 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1400 of 1680 🔗

Where I am there were nasty old biddies going round taking photographs specifically of hairdressers and then dobbing them in to Environmental Health who then paid them a visit. Hairdressers are like any other business: they need to adhere to ‘rules’ to remain open. I’ve had two cuts since all this nonsense started, and I wore my lanyard to both with no problem whatsoever.

248565 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1401 of 1680 🔗

Grow Dreadlocks

248598 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1402 of 1680 🔗

In mine after the lockdown I had to wear a mask. Didn’t mind so much with that as it’s a small room and if the hairdresser was scared I reckoned I’d make it easy for them.

They made the mistake of asking me how it was going and I went on a full half hour rant about how insane the hysteria was.

At the end they just said “do you know, almost everyone I do says exactly the same thing, but they say they just don’t want to be the one to make a fuss about it.

248642 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1403 of 1680 🔗

Try and find a mobile hairdresser who’ll come to your house. You don’t need to wear a mask and chances are they won’t either if you say you don’t mind. Win win.

248704 ▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1404 of 1680 🔗

I’ll second that. My salon charged me 10 quid extra for the ppe and the whole experience was awful so when I saw my neighbour’s mobile hairdresser I nabbed her. She wears a visor but I wear nothing on my face and it is a normal experience. And half the price too.

248467 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 28, #1405 of 1680 🔗

Good news. Denmark throws new epidemic law in bin after daily protests in the country. Unbelievable that a libertarian and freedom loving country could ever discuss this, must be the effect of the dangerous lockdown virus. Two links first video from Denmark and second the actual proposal explained.



248547 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1406 of 1680 🔗

That’s definitely true is it? If I can get it into my head I’ll start crying with joy as well!

248594 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1407 of 1680 🔗

The proposal was strongly criticised by the head of the Danish Medical Association

Some countries have institutions that still function

248640 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1408 of 1680 🔗

Excellent. It looked so peaceful too with nightly candle lit vigils.

Try as they might, they cannot defeat the people.

248472 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 12, #1409 of 1680 🔗

More sinister predictive programming on TV and in the new series Songbird – getting us ready for the Great Reset. Interestingly Klaus Schwab admits the ‘pandemic’ is the least serious in 2,000 years – they basically come out and openly admitted it is all about a Great Reset, what more do people need to wake up to the fact their freedoms won’t be coming back under the World Economic Forum New World Order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPd5l2ekdu4

248680 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, 2, #1410 of 1680 🔗

Trudeau is now openly promoting the Great Reset too..

248791 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #1411 of 1680 🔗

Turn Schwab into a swab.

248507 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1413 of 1680 🔗

Not even mentioned?

248529 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1414 of 1680 🔗

It has its own page. Scroll down to page 14. Took me a while to find it!

248530 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1415 of 1680 🔗

So about 100 or so? And even then if that’s based on a PCR test it’s more likely closer to 0.

248558 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1416 of 1680 🔗

Cheers, Cheez. So 117 notifications for the week ending 8 November … one assumes then that these are confirmed cases, following a proper diagnosis from a doctor, and all statistics about positive tests are just so much noise. WTAF is going on then?

On a less positive note, I see that my little corner of the world – here, we come under Torbay LA – represents a not insignificant chunk of those numbers. All that patronising drivel from the council about staying two Poirot walking sticks apart was for nought?

248679 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Miss Owl, #1417 of 1680 🔗

These must be real clinical cases from doctors and nurse practitioners probably in primary care. I assume hospitalisations must also be reported by the hospital medical teams.

248716 ▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to p02099003, #1418 of 1680 🔗

Quite. I could understand – I suppose – if restrictions were based on these figures.

248711 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, #1419 of 1680 🔗

I’ve just posted a few mins ago re a lady on SORUK looking at Week 44, with a similar question about PHE numbers vs reported cases – is this what you are also saying?

Her post on SORUK said this:-

Does anyone on here have any contacts in investigative reporting please? I’ve emailed several people and no-one is interested in the figures reported by Public Health England, which show (for week 44) that there were just 91 cases of covid in England. In the same week that the BBC reported 21,350 cases in a single day. Just to clarify, doctors (GP and hospital) are REQUIRED to report notifiable diseases, of which covid is just one, so no reason to doubt these figures. To me, this is enough to blow the entire pandemonium out of the water. Check for yourselves please, don’t take my word for it! https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-last-52-weeks?fbclid=IwAR110XyR-RLEmhSfwZRBtb8A9U7mbhr3gdYxRuPofwmpyivl9FuZbkrS4cA

248500 John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 14, #1420 of 1680 🔗

Funny I’ve had huge exposure to so called covid 19 not a sniffle or cough this year granted less mingling as such.I know 2 people under 40 destroyed by incubation/ventilation both Nursing colleagues question were they prematurely ventilated ?because it wasnt the covid that did for them but multi organ failure caused by ventilation built on a suspect premise that ventilators were key equipment in fighting this deadly virus.That needs to be investigated surely?.

248553 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 3, #1421 of 1680 🔗

Yes – the German ACU2020 committee have I believe been investigating this. They’ve been holding formal investigations. I’m pretty sure that the hearings have not yet been fully transcribed and translated into English, but it’s worth checking their site.

Information needs to be shared across the language barriers, anything to reduce the ability of the PTB to divide and rule.

248595 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 3, #1422 of 1680 🔗

Invasive Ventilation7 Patients with respiratory illnesses like pneumonia often have difficulty getting enough oxygen into their blood (oxygenation). This is because there is a reduced amount of lung tissue (alveoli) available for gas exchange, perhaps because it is disabled by the collection of fluids and pus or inflammation. When a patient is found to have low oxygen levels or signs of respiratory distress (such as rapid, shallow breathing sweating or grogginess) providing more oxygen is required. There are increasing levels of oxygenation support that can be given, with increasing risk: 1. Tubes to the nose (cannulas) that deliver air richer in oxygen. 2. Oxygen masks can provide higher levels of oxygen. 3. Intubation, inserting a tube down the throat to the lungs. The last method, which is known as invasive ventilation, has significantly greater risks. After SARS an analysis of data in Hong Kong compared one hospital that 27 started patients with non-invasive ventilation to 13 that immediately went to intubation for SARS [36]. Despite this one hospital receiving significantly sicker patients, their death rate was more than four times lower, and there were no instances of transmission of SARS to health care workers. One problem with intubation is the cluster of issues known as VALI – Ventilator Association Lung Injury [45]. Another is Ventilator Associated Pneumonia (VAP). While most patients already have pneumonia, this problem could introduce new pathogens. Risk factors relevant to COVID-19 patients include chronic disease, previous antibiotic therapy and hospitalization for over 5 days [39]. Invasive ventilation can also be traumatic, with patients experiencing, “unreal experiences…often associated with intense fear” [40]. Care by nurses and relatives can reduce this fear, but when relatives are barred from the bedside, and nurses are cloaked in personal protective gear, there may be no comforting face or handholding available. It appears that concerns about invasive ventilation from the SARS era are being ignored

248626 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to 2 pence, 3, #1423 of 1680 🔗

Cannulae in the nose deliver 2-4 litres (22-24%); other masks deliver up to 40% oxygen, non rebreather masks deliver 90% oxygen, all of these are passive, depending on the patient breathing.
An alternative is CPAP/BiPAP, where a machine increases the pressure to keep the person’s airway open, these are used by people who have sleep apnoea. Supplemental oxygen can be supplied.
The final method is intubation, this requires the patient be sedated and ventilated using a machine. The oxygen has to be humidified. The act of intubation can cause an inflammatory response as well as VALI and VAP.
An intubated patient requires ITU, whereas CPAP/BiPAP patients can be nursed on a normal ward or if needs be a high dependency unit.

248638 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to p02099003, 2, #1424 of 1680 🔗

The other thing is that you might have been in for an ingrowing toenail, but then collected a positive PCR, and then ended up up on a Covid ward where all the beds are ventilator-equipped. Thus you become a statistic.
I reckon anybody who crosses the hospital threshold with a cough is admitted for ‘observation’ and then gets positive tested (and is never discharged).

248501 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1425 of 1680 🔗

Wanksock on GMB tomorrow

248527 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1426 of 1680 🔗

Is that Wankock and Morgan at the same time?

I always thought breakfast tv must be a disgusting way to start the day but that would really sink it to a very low depth.

248541 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1427 of 1680 🔗

Yep. Will tune in. I still feel Piers has a further part to play yet. He turns and it’s all over. That’s how fickle some are and how tenuously this whole thing is held together.

248568 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1428 of 1680 🔗

Mmm which one is most loathsome? No doubt Morgan will be pushing for restricting the rights of people who don’t want to take an unnecessary vaccine of unknown efficacy and safety. I will not be watching.

248637 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Van Allen, #1429 of 1680 🔗

Morgan is a horrendous individual. She doesn’t blink

248660 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1430 of 1680 🔗

Hope he wears a nice dress?

248503 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 9, #1431 of 1680 🔗

The Johnson dictatorships must be getting really desperate if they are even resorting to censoring people like Anna Brees – hardly a controversial individual. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byIsfAx3DPM

Maybe we should be thankful that Labour didn’t get in power, they would probably ban any non-Labour approved media given the choice after their latest ridiculous idea. These people really deserve ridicule for what they are trying to do but sadly the media and celebrities are supportive of censorship these days.

248633 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, #1432 of 1680 🔗

Disgraceful. They vaccination fight will see peak censorship and will open the door to permanent overruling of free speech online by the government on anything really. I think they are insane to think that will further their cause. The fact they want to censor people with integrity actually just makes people suspicious of motive regardless. There are always consequences.

248504 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1433 of 1680 🔗

Francois Balloux,the scientist who published an article where by genome sequencing Sars Cov-2 virus



claimed the origin of jump into humans in Wuhan Oct Nov 2019 for C-19

He is now attacking the Italian paper claiming that Sars Cov2 was circulating in Italy in Aug,Sept.
But he has a vested interest  and might not consider that similar viruses might have circulated earlier.
see earlier link


248519 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1434 of 1680 🔗

Balloux pronounced bollox?

248579 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1435 of 1680 🔗

Sure he has a vested interest. But cross-reactivity as an explanation for the findings doesn’t seem too far out there to me, especially after listening to Prof Bhakdi.

248511 Simon Kreth Raynard, #1436 of 1680 🔗

Perhaps Carrie is less Lady MacBeth and more Lysistrata…

248513 PastImperfect, 10, #1437 of 1680 🔗


To the occupier. Good News .

Congratulations! Your home has been under remote surveillance and we are pleased to inform you that nobody living at this address need wear masks anywhere. If anyone challenges you in this regard, you should reply that you are exempt. No person has the right to ask you why you are exempt. You can check details of exemptions on the internet at https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/903454/Exemption_from_face_covering_card_to_print.pdf

You might wish to cut out the attached exemption card and carry in your wallet or place it in a lanyard that you can wear around your neck.

248524 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1438 of 1680 🔗

This MSM article about lack of concern of C-19 in the population in the Mid Western states despite having highest rate of infection in the US is very revealing. The journalist is shocked by the lack of wearing the life saving masks in people and also shocked by the common sense replies.


248590 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1439 of 1680 🔗

This is all you need to know

“They don’t think it’s real,” she said. “They don’t think it’s going to be that bad or they just don’t want to wear a mask because we’ve made it a whole political thing at this point.”

248533 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #1440 of 1680 🔗

Very good short article crushing the recent CDC publication about masks
 The Human Studies Cited by the CDC’s Recent Scientific Brief do not Support Community Masking


248555 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1441 of 1680 🔗

Hi Swedenborg.
Winter Rogers has met a checkout girl who has asthma and wears a mask and is finding that her hearing is packing up. Winter wants to take it up with the supermarket management. Please suggest the best two or three links for her. Thanks 🙂

248578 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Rosie, 2, #1442 of 1680 🔗
248609 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to PoshPanic, #1443 of 1680 🔗

ta 🙂

248620 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, 2, #1444 of 1680 🔗
248622 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1445 of 1680 🔗

Thanks – and the disability rights, where’s the link for that please?

248629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, 2, #1446 of 1680 🔗


All bits and pieces on the law can be found here

248636 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1447 of 1680 🔗

I’ll send it all to her. Many thanks everyone. Really helpful

248623 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, 5, #1448 of 1680 🔗

Also Vernon Coleman has produced this beast of a review on masks. The man is such a Covid hero.

If Lockdownsceptics has a year end awards, he should be up for something.


248613 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Rosie, 3, #1449 of 1680 🔗

If she is on the checkout, a perspex screen is deemed an acceptable alternative.
And surely this is Disability Discrimination, and breach of Health and Safety at Work, and breach of the Equalities Act.

248730 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kevin 2, #1450 of 1680 🔗

According to the guidelines, shop floorworkers don’t need to wear face nappies unless unable to keep a “reasonable distance” from customers. Reasonable is not defined.

248545 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #1451 of 1680 🔗

What has England become?

Speakers Corner 15 Nov 2020

248552 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dave #KBF, 11, #1452 of 1680 🔗

Fuckin Face Nappy Fascists.

248554 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #1453 of 1680 🔗

The world is done for as long as have idiots like this enforcing rules that are unlawful.

248560 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Anothersceptic2, 13, #1454 of 1680 🔗

They look like an elite police unit !,what a bloody disgrace and embarrassment,the overweight female one looks about four feet tall.I’m sick of the British police,they are scruffy,unfit and above all they are the bully boys and girls of the corrupt regime.

248812 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Paul, #1455 of 1680 🔗

I thought that.Any serious resistance and this lot would be fucked.They look like they wouldn’t even be able to run away from BLM.
Lockdown is serving its purpose in stopping people mixing and organising

248909 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Paul, #1456 of 1680 🔗

Like Alex’s Droogs.

248574 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #1457 of 1680 🔗

Half a dozen brave police officers managed to capture a young man who was exercising his rights. (I hope they were not constables who have forgotten their oaths)

248604 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1458 of 1680 🔗

So shocking.

248722 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, #1459 of 1680 🔗

Speakers Get Arrested Corner.

248557 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 11, #1460 of 1680 🔗

Boris self isolating?

248563 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan, 13, #1461 of 1680 🔗

Should be for the rest of his miserable life.

248566 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to DRW, 8, #1462 of 1680 🔗

Agreed but is this a ploy to attempt to deny natural immunity?

248605 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan, 11, #1463 of 1680 🔗

Or handy excuse to disappear again after some trouble.

248698 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan, #1464 of 1680 🔗

They haven’t said he has covid, just that he’s been in proximity and has to isolate.

Strange that they haven’t given him a covid test though …..

248713 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, #1465 of 1680 🔗

Not really. Thems the rules and they are follow them to the letter to set a good example. Nobody else self-isolating gets one on the basis it will be too soon to tell.

248567 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1466 of 1680 🔗

Great timing for him! Hope it means he’s finally feeling the screws are turning.

248572 ▶▶ xplod, replying to Sarigan, 8, #1467 of 1680 🔗

He’s Immune, isn’t he? Are they now saying immune “subjects” must isolate? Fuckaduck, the whole country will be isolating within a fortnight or so, then! (Non-scientific speculation, for effect)

248585 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to xplod, 4, #1468 of 1680 🔗

They have always said that no one is immune after a positive test. One of many justifications for the vaccine (though clearly that defies all reason).

248734 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1469 of 1680 🔗

Crazy.. Over here in Sweden people who’ve had positive antibody tests or have tested positive (with symptoms) happily go around in society mixing freely with others..

248573 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1470 of 1680 🔗

PNN is really making waves.

248582 ▶▶ Albie, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1471 of 1680 🔗

After his panicky reaction last time that’s zero chance of Lockdown being lifted or reduced on 2nd Dec. Great.

248587 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, #1472 of 1680 🔗


248600 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Julian, 3, #1473 of 1680 🔗

Reports he is self-isolating after coming into an ‘infected’

248601 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, #1474 of 1680 🔗

Lol coming into contact!! Freudian clit there, sorry

248615 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1475 of 1680 🔗


Another piece of theatre

248602 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 2, #1476 of 1680 🔗

Telegraph: Bozo is self-isolating after being notified by NHS Test and Trace that he came into contact with a person who tested positive for Covid-19.

The Prime Minister has not developed any symptoms according to his spokesperson. It is understood Mr Johnson met with a group of MPs for 35 minutes on Thursday morning which included Ashfield MP, Lee Anderson who has since tested positive for coronavirus.

248608 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1477 of 1680 🔗

Well, by extension, D.Cummings et al should be doing the same hopefully.

248616 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1478 of 1680 🔗

Thats handy…no more questions for two weeks….how terribly convenient.

248619 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1479 of 1680 🔗

My thoughts too

248627 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Two-Six, #1480 of 1680 🔗

Yep PmQs was going to be pretty tasty. Wonder who will get the honour.

248617 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1481 of 1680 🔗

Very convenient for the dictator.

248632 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1482 of 1680 🔗

What a nincompoop

Doesn’t he know how to block the NHS T&T numbers?

I don’t suppose it will get through his thick skull but maybe he’ll start to realise how needlessly disruptive his stupid system is

248588 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1483 of 1680 🔗

He’s had the bloody thing. Hopefully it’s not another lady friend – he has form!

248663 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1484 of 1680 🔗

Shame it’s not solitary confinement

248705 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sarigan, #1485 of 1680 🔗

Cover for intensive Mao-style self-criticism and re-education session? If he comes out spouting more Great Reset Build Back Better Bollox we’ll know that’s what it was.

248731 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sarigan, #1486 of 1680 🔗

Hiding away again.

248571 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 16, #1487 of 1680 🔗

Why do I pay the BBC License fee when a 62 year old Eton Educated entitled BBC Science Editor writes unscientific sick inducing dross like this about office working and gets paid for it?


1: If it’s stuffy, walk away (yeah – like a sure way to get fired)

2: Get the office management to check if there’s virus in the filters (pardon? Je ne comprends pas.)

How the heck can he be a science editor? Checking for virus in the filters??….who do you call for that…’Ghostbusters?’ What planet is he from?

248580 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to theanalyst, 11, #1488 of 1680 🔗

Not getting enough fresh air makes you more susceptible to coronavirus….

So slap a face nappy over your airways and all will be fine… FFS!!!

248584 ▶▶ Julian, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1489 of 1680 🔗

Does the BBC attract this kind of sick person or do they get turned sick?

248586 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to theanalyst, -1, #1490 of 1680 🔗

‘Why do I pay the BBC License fee when…’

Oh good grief. The fact that our feiend is ‘asking the question’ is utterly indicative of the bloody problem. I give up. Shoot me.

248589 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to common conservative, 4, #1491 of 1680 🔗

Yeah well….I don’t technically pay the bills…my wife does and she likes some of the period dramas. It is an ongoing bugbear of mine and I try to stop it.

248635 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1492 of 1680 🔗

Same boat here 😕

248723 ▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to leggy, -2, #1493 of 1680 🔗

Check out the ‘men’ who don’t pay their bills 🤣

248644 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1494 of 1680 🔗

Firestick, then Amazon Prime at half the price of the tv licence with plenty of period dramas and no covid propagada ……

248658 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to theanalyst, -8, #1495 of 1680 🔗

Oh boy. Not only do you give money to the BBC but you say it is beyond your control. My goodness.

Moreover, you say you ‘try to stop it’. In what way? How are you ‘try[ing] to stop it’, and why does this fail?

248667 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to theanalyst, -6, #1496 of 1680 🔗

I just read/digested your post again. No need to reply to my previous post. It’s clear you’re a muppet with no bollocks. I’m embarrassed for you, you pathetic specimen.

248739 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to common conservative, #1497 of 1680 🔗

She who pays the piper calls the tune.

248693 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to common conservative, #1498 of 1680 🔗

Frankly Danny, I’d love to.

248701 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Cheezilla, -2, #1499 of 1680 🔗

Your tolerance is the envy of the world, Cheese.

248611 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to theanalyst, 6, #1500 of 1680 🔗

“He worries that if someone sitting beside an open window turns out to be infectious, they could shed virus to others downwind”

If you are in a meeting and this thought enters your mind – you really should seek help.

248624 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1501 of 1680 🔗

It’s an article giving more ammo to the selfish people who want to carry on with ‘Work from Home’ or ‘WFH’.

248639 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1502 of 1680 🔗

How I hated doing that full time.

248737 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1503 of 1680 🔗

Just sit upwind.

248621 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1504 of 1680 🔗

wow utter pseudo-science bollocks.

248686 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1505 of 1680 🔗

And the article cites people are actually making a career out of advising offices about this shite. They’ll have a rude awakening very soon I reckon

248696 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1506 of 1680 🔗

Typical BBC article then.

248690 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to theanalyst, #1507 of 1680 🔗

Why do you pay the licence fee?

248725 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Cheezilla, #1508 of 1680 🔗

I don’t – my wife does and I cannot control that. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

248733 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to theanalyst, -3, #1509 of 1680 🔗

Oh, we understand. Your wife controls the finances. Wayda go.

248750 ▶▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to common conservative, 2, #1510 of 1680 🔗

Jeez. No mate. I love my wife. Its not like that. She is free to decide. That’s why I fight for her and my family. So they can be free. So we can all be free.

248961 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to theanalyst, #1511 of 1680 🔗

That’s your story and you’re sticking to it. What a marvellous, principle-free household.

248736 ▶▶ annie, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1512 of 1680 🔗

If your filter
Is out of kilter
And you think it’s caught IT,
A PCR will sort it.

248747 ▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1513 of 1680 🔗

Having seen some of the scientific dross on the BBC bitesize primary school content, I can say with certainty that the BBC’s commitment to, and understanding of, science is tangential at best.

248596 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 39, #1514 of 1680 🔗

As 2020 staggers towards its sorry conclusion the only phrase that comes to mind is Annus horribilis . A lifetime of believing that the NHS and the BBC were the cornerstones of our society shattered. A lifetime of freedom ended with ludicrous restrictions in the supposed name of Public Health, a belief that vaccines like Polio were our salvation from crippling disease changed to a horror at weird sci-fi vaccines levered in to fit with huge profits to the drugs companies and the money people. And while I am on a moan i have had it up to here with Zoom meetings, an apology for real life.

I caught a bit of the news tonight, the presentation of statistics was appalling just isolated facts pushed for their sensationalist value with no attempt at comparison or context. They keep reporting high hospital admission figures with no indication of discharges or total numbers in hospital. Hospitals are not the Hotel California, people are discharged! they keep reporting around 1500 per day hospital admissions but the total number in hospital only goes up by about 300 a day, where are the other 1200 going? abducted by aliens?

We went for a walk round our local woods this morning with Buzzards and Ravens circling overhead, a touch of sanity and reality in all this madness. It is hard not to think that someone spotted the Achilles heel in western society and shot an arrow straight in with devastating consequences.

248614 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1515 of 1680 🔗

Hi Steve – come and join our local sanity network. Meet locals and get to campaign in a focussed manner. Small team system.

Join via this website (it’s mine) https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

PS and anyone else of course!

248687 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1516 of 1680 🔗

Good moan!

We’ve experienced the privations of war – loss of liberty, disruption of education, suspension of foreign travel, reduced consumption and needless casualties – but there are no bright sunlit uplands to follow victory.

248603 NickR, #1517 of 1680 🔗


248607 Ben, replying to Ben, 6, #1518 of 1680 🔗

Glancing through this thread by Architects for Social Housing, it becomes horrifyingly clear the motive for the war being waged on the people. Pharma, Gates et al plan to parasite off humans indefinitely whilst governments realise their dreams of total control


248631 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Ben, 1, #1519 of 1680 🔗

What happens when Gates dies?

248657 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to BJJ, 13, #1520 of 1680 🔗

He goes to Hell?

248666 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BJJ, 5, #1521 of 1680 🔗

His empire will live on. Likewise after Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum dies, one of his cronies will take over. Banks and tech industries are rubbing their hands

It’s WW3 without bombs. Humanity is to be enslaved, bit by bit

248724 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ben, 2, #1522 of 1680 🔗


Mankind is about to commit to a path leading to one thousand years of darkness, and he’ll have done it to himself.

248786 ▶▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Ben, #1523 of 1680 🔗

What is Gates’ motivation?

248684 ▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to BJJ, 2, #1524 of 1680 🔗


248673 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ben, 4, #1525 of 1680 🔗

On the subject of Gates, why is Toby asking for slogans to *promote* vaccines????

248767 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Carrie, 2, #1526 of 1680 🔗

Controlled opposition?

248763 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 2, #1527 of 1680 🔗

Superb article – recommended reading for sure.

248641 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 16, #1528 of 1680 🔗

On a positive note the local council here in Fleet, Hampshire today removed the Covid19 pedestrian only zone in the main shopping street. Drove the car through for the first time in months.

A small step/drive in the right direction…..what a relief…the beginning of the end?

248646 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1529 of 1680 🔗

Trific. All hail the martyrs.

248645 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #1530 of 1680 🔗

The pig dictator is self isolating ? WTF!

You’ve already had it you stupid …………..

We want a sick note

248650 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1531 of 1680 🔗

His head has gone

248675 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1532 of 1680 🔗

it’s on a platter with an apple in his gob!
If only.

248681 ▶▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to CGL, 4, #1533 of 1680 🔗

Better an apple than Cameron’s todger

248692 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bumble, 1, #1534 of 1680 🔗

You see – that’s one step too far 🙂

248710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bumble, replying to CGL, 1, #1535 of 1680 🔗


248651 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1536 of 1680 🔗

News of Mr Johnson’s second stint in isolation comes one day before the Government’s big relaunch after the last few days brought political chaos to Downing Street.

Suspiciously convenient then!

248661 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1537 of 1680 🔗

We are being run by Coco the Clown.

248665 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Achilles, 5, #1538 of 1680 🔗

Masko the Clown

248647 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1539 of 1680 🔗

dePiffle has been forced to self isolate after coming into contact with an MP who tested positive for covid 19:


How convenient!

(Nearly died – bollox!)

248656 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1540 of 1680 🔗

Just enjoyed some of the highly predictable comments BTL at the Mail and Telegraph. I was amazed by how many people seemed to be unaware that having had a positive test doesn’t get you off the hook with T&T. This has got to be a good thing- I’m sure I can hear the sound of pennies dropping across the land …

248727 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1541 of 1680 🔗

Yes, this seems to be dawning on people! I admit I hadn’t realised this either.

We know that the percentage of people who fully self-isolate is estimated at around 11%. I wonder what percentage of people who have had the virus and then get notified they need to self isolate actually do? It must be vanishingly small.

248655 CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #1542 of 1680 🔗

I know Ceriain is away but maybe someone else who is doing the number crunching might like to look at this link. A lady on SORUK is looking at PHE data for week 44 and says it doesn’t look the same as the numbers the BBC is reporting – is it the old cases on the wrong date illusion?


If not a member of SORUK this is the post:-
Does anyone on here have any contacts in investigative reporting please? I’ve emailed several people and no-one is interested in the figures reported by Public Health England, which show (for week 44) that there were just 91 cases of covid in England. In the same week that the BBC reported 21,350 cases in a single day. Just to clarify, doctors (GP and hospital) are REQUIRED to report notifiable diseases, of which covid is just one, so no reason to doubt these figures. To me, this is enough to blow the entire pandemonium out of the water. Check for yourselves please, don’t take my word for it! https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-last-52-weeks?fbclid=IwAR110XyR-RLEmhSfwZRBtb8A9U7mbhr3gdYxRuPofwmpyivl9FuZbkrS4cA

248668 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CGL, 1, #1543 of 1680 🔗

Looks to me like PHE just haven’t updated their spreadsheet yet. But they will. Nothing to see here..

248672 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1544 of 1680 🔗

OK – thanks. I just said I’d ask – and that she should sign up here so she can join the fun if she wanted to ask herself.

248671 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CGL, 8, #1545 of 1680 🔗

And no one’s asking ‘what is a case?’

Answer – a meaningless result from a PCR test not fit for purpose

248674 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 3, #1546 of 1680 🔗

Well you know that, and I know that . . . .

248729 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 2, #1547 of 1680 🔗

Describes Boris pretty well if you substitute ‘PM not’ for ‘PCR not’.

248757 ▶▶▶▶ Athanasius, replying to annie, #1548 of 1680 🔗

Come to think of it, you could also call the PM a case…

248659 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #1549 of 1680 🔗

Ee, how times change, eh? I remember a chap as was thought might well be PM, but he fathered a child outside of his marriage and that put pay to his chances. Now when it happens the mother of such a child it seems ends up running the country!

248726 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1550 of 1680 🔗

There was a woman called Mary Anne Clarke.

. https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp00900/mary-anne-clarke-nee-thompson

I’m sometimes tempted to believe in reincarnation.

248664 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #1551 of 1680 🔗


A video from Dave Cullen ‘computing Forever – 30 mins.

If you don’t have much times, then I recommend starting at 20 mins – he explains why we will win.

Great last 10 minutes.

248694 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 2, #1552 of 1680 🔗

I need some encouragement, so I’ll make that my bedtime listening – thanks!

248745 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 4, #1553 of 1680 🔗

Blimey the big agenda presentations and that propaganda film are creepy. But nice optimistic ending.

248669 Nic, replying to Nic, 24, #1554 of 1680 🔗

I see the fat fool is self isolating as track n trace has instructed him to do so .
He has already had it so he is immune .iam guessing he just wants to hide for 2 weeks.
Without Cummings wiping his backside he is lost .I really think he will be gone by the new year.

248677 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to Nic, 16, #1555 of 1680 🔗

Perhaps we could get people to name him as a contact in perpetuity and keep him locked up forever (or until 2024 at least)

248685 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nic, 4, #1556 of 1680 🔗

Shirker. Two weeks off, probably organised by Princess Nut Nut.

248702 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nic, 18, #1557 of 1680 🔗

They are taking the piss at this stage. If he is not immune having had it previously, why would a vaccine grant immunity and if a vaccine wont grant immunity, what is the point in it?

248744 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1558 of 1680 🔗

The vaccine may be irrelevant, but a tool for control (immunity passports) or it may be a long term financial money-maker for Pharma with regular update vaccines.

There is also the more sinister side mentioned in the Winter Oak article ‘The Great Fascist Reset’

248706 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Nic, 1, #1559 of 1680 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-self-isolating-after-being-in-contact-with-someone-who-tested-positive-for-covid-19-12133559 Sky can’t help themselves “ The MP for Ashfield and Eastwood, north of Nottingham, posted a picture of himself on Facebook standing apart from Mr Johnson after the meeting on Thursday. Neither were wearing face masks .”

248843 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nic, #1560 of 1680 🔗

He could have a test and get back to work!

248676 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 7, #1561 of 1680 🔗

Has anyone had a look at the Oxford students Unlock movement? Guess I’d hoped for some intellectual heft:

“Everyday I have tough conversations with people from all walks of life who have been badly affected by lockdown and want these damaging restrictions to end. I can clearly see that anti-lockdown sentiment is growing fast, yet the majority of the people actively campaigning against lockdown seem to be the anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. I felt a void for anti-lockdown campaigns based on real science, reason, and a long term vision for the prosperity of humanity needed to be filled, and that’s how Unlock was born.”

Unlock aims to create a social media following, challenging lockdown policies and conducting interviews with scientists making the case against the government. They are keen to emphasise that they are not anti-vaccine – in fact, they greeted the news of the vaccine breakthrough with as much excitement as anyone else – and that they are apolitical.

Anti-lockdown campaigns, it seems, have moved out of the realm of conspiracy theories. …”

248683 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 2, #1562 of 1680 🔗

I can’t work out how to find this group and contact them – can anyone else please find a link for them?
Here’s the newsletter but I can’t find a link https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2020/11/14/oxford-students-start-anti-lockdown-movement/

248688 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Rosie, #1563 of 1680 🔗

Hi Rosie

Is this any help?

Oxford Uni Students

248691 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Dave #KBF, #1564 of 1680 🔗

no, I’ve looked there. Online things aren’t my strong point, but I usually can see links, and can’t find anything

248720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Rosie, #1565 of 1680 🔗

The founder of the group appears to be Chloe Dobbs.

She has a LinkedIn profile .

248707 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Rosie, 11, #1566 of 1680 🔗

The Great Reset is not a conspiracy theory. The ‘health crisis’ is the conspiracy theory. See the World Economic Forum’s own websites – their plans for us (immunity passports, dependence on the State etc) are in plain view

Since when has the economy (in every country around the world) been systematically destroyed by a virus? We are witnessing economic, ideological and political opportunism that is war like in scale

248715 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben