2020-11-15

(first by the way)

An interesting point raised on another forum: will insurance companies give lower premiums for those who have had the vaccine? Or might it be the other way round?

Frankly, I think anyone who gets the vaccine will be in for a lifetime of potential problems like autoimmune disorders. I’d lower premiums from those not taking the vaccine since they have a 99.7% chance of surviving and will have natural immunity.

The Executive Editor of the BMJ clearly agrees with you.
Further to Toby’s quote from yesterdays editorial

‘. . .cherry picking favourable reports* or gagging scientists is a danger to public health causing deaths by exposing people to unsafe or ineffective interventions and preventing them from benefiting from better ones’

*by those with financial ulterior motives as previously mentioned in Toby’s quote.

Well I think it’s a great question, because although the drug companies can be pre-indemnified against the side effects their products cause, the problem is just pushed onto the insurance companies. They effectively have to insure the vaccine via their insurance of individuals.

Just as political anoraks often look at bookmakers’ odds to get an independent no-BS feel for a political question, it will be fascinating to see what the insurance companies do. Unless the government lets them off the hook, too, somehow…

I think this is where the new ‘anti-vax’ censorship laws may come in. Maybe deals will be done but reporting on them will be effectively banned.

And of course, the vaccine may, in the end, just be a placebo. With the censorship laws keeping the lid on it…

Now share this Toby

Emergency Laws to Stamp Out Free Speech | Carl Vernon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVhZxH2SCXE

I hear you, but there is one country, New Zealand, that cannot make do with a placebo. They need a fully functioning, bells and whistles vaccine. Sweden was the control for lockdown, NZ is the control for the vaccine…

Brilliant posting, thank you!

You are so right, Lisa. Thank you for your sensible contribution!

Deak lockdown

Dear …

“R Rate 0.9” Say Official CSS WHY Are We In Lockdown Boris?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIBfzDy2PbU

Armies of actuaries bearing away on that one Barney. They don’t have to toe the government line so their conclusion will be interesting.

If the vaccination system is as slick as test and trace you will probably be able to book a jab, not go but receive a vaccination ticket anyway!

That’ll do me

Let’s see if anybody gets it, first. I anticipate a slew of nasty and quite possibly fatal side effects among the oldies who get it, even if it gets that far. And even if that doesn’t happen, NHS incompetence will ensure it doesn’t reach the population at large until after it’s proved not to be the magic bullet thst the zombies assume it to be.

The NHS works a lot harder when pushing vaccines then when people need treatment. Its virtually impossible to get through to my GP on the phone but I received 3 calls from them trying to get my 3 year old to take the flu vaccine – apparently its more important then ever to give my child the flu vaccine to protect the NHS. As a parent I am more interested in protecting my child.

I’ve had 5 texts reminding me to take the normal flu vaccine, which I never do, usually it is only one. They have stopped asking patients to go to a singularly inconvenient location to take it instead hiring a church hall over the road in an attempt to bump up the uptake.

To get me on their Covid vaccine database I suspect.

I’m so relieved my GPs surgery doesn’t have my mobile number and maybe if people don’t want bombarding with texts and calls. they should block the surgery number.

I can’t because they also send me texts about my normal medication.

The Tories have never wanted to protect the NHS ever since Thatcher they have wanted to see it off at rock bottom price to their cronies in the City or the upstart Country they continue to preach that We have a special relationship with which We know is bullshit

Oh god not that hoary old chestnut again…move on mate for gods sake!

We tried to up-vote this as we think you are absolutely correct. And, no, we don’t give a shite if you down-vote this, whoever you are! MW

Hear hear MW!

If we have to give up our rights and liberties, decimate the economy, undermine the rule of law, hollow out democracy, be ruled by ministerial decree and be denied access to health care, what is the point of protecting the NHS?

Judy Mikovits thinks it may well activate retro viruses.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-judy-mikovits-explains-why-50-million-americans-may-die-this-fall-about-17-of-the-entire-popu_qzC5t9Kkpj1dJ4v.html

WOW!!!!!

The effects you describe may be seen as a feature, rather than a bug by the people in charge.

What better way to ease the burden on under- and unfunded pension liabilities?

Interesting question. Insurance companies usually get it right, so perhaps it’d be a good idea to watch how they’re viewing the situation to get an idea of the risk factors.

Good point. Likewise the actuarial valuation of annuities and pension. If you DON’T have the vaccine, you should get a higher pension!

Not sure real economics count for jack any more. It’s the politics, stupid.

I don’t think it would have a significant impact on life insurance but may do for critical illness and to a lesser extent income protection.

Ramping up the fear.
The Uks chief vet has declared an Avian Influenza Prevention Zone (AIPZ) over the whole of England to reduce the risk of the disease spreading after birds in Devon were discovered to have been infected.

One adult swan and five cygnets were confirmed dead on Monday 9th (November) in Dawlish while others are reported to be unwell.

Other cases of the ‘highly pathogenic’ H5N8 strain have also been reported in Gloucestershire, Dorset and now Herefordshire.

All bird owners are instructed to prevent flocks mingling with wild birds. Good luck with that.

There were birds in the pub last night they seemed ok

‘ bird owner’s is sexist and offensive

This is not the 1970’s

Good, members of the public are requested to report sightings of dead birds but not to pick them up.

‘ don’t mingle with wild bird’s ‘

Just like my old mum told me

Of course cats like to ‘mingle with birds’, and even bring them into the house.

I tell you: at some point it won’t be the mink, but the cats they’re coming after…

That’s much more scary than any coronavirus!

Ah ‘mingling ‘ again, no good ever came from mingling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnYoUHZb4BI
Buddy Johnson Orchestra, Minglin’.

Shouldn’t the birds be fined if they congregate in groups of more than six?

Not if supporting Blackbirds Matter

I understand that AI outbreaks are common at this time of year, and AIPZs not uncommon.

But the press don’t warn us every year about this ‘highly pathogenic’ strain.

Funnily enough when animals migrate, be it to other countries or indeed to universities, they tend to bring bugs with them… it is a rather important feature of nature and has been happening for a while…

100s of million years at the minimum. Neurotic Hypochondriacs have a vivid imagination.

5G AI outbreaks?

Prevent flocks mingling with wild birds. Good luck with that

One of my regular trips out into the countryside involves a stop in a very quiet lane, adjacent to a large pig rearing field. Not to imbibe the fragrant aroma, but to look for birds of prey, who find good pickings in the vicinity. I’ve always chuckled at the absurdity of a notice pinned to the fence which says (words to the effect of) “Disease Precautions – Keep Out”. Bearing in mind that large flocks of Crows, Rooks & Seagulls are always frequenting the site – and no doubt plenty of Rats also – I wonder what purpose this sign, and others like it, actually serve?

Crows are quite clever – maybe they can read now?

Scare off wimpy pig nickers?

Aha!
Cambridge town hall used to sport a notice saying ‘Nuclear Free Zone’.
And it worked. Cambridge never got nuked.

Soon we’ll be told we’re all going to die of Corvid 20 or Mad Crow Disease.

These people fear Nature. Hate it too.

I always preferred mingling with wild birds.

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Report Sat 14/9
“Lockdown protests: Jeremy Corbyn’s brother arrested in conspiracy theorist demonstration in Bristol.”

Happily the Mail has a much more substantial and wideranging report on both the Bristol demo and that in Liverpool with the commenters full on sceptic as usual.

Weren’t Carrie Symonds’s parents both working for the so called ‘Independent’? A strange back ground for a ‘conservative’…but maybe not these days!

Not at all ‘strange’ – the Independent was always with the mainstream (aka conservative) press.

Dear god.

PM Moron Johnson.

Another covid-nonsense induced sleepless night. Going to have to get out on the bike to get some energy and frustration burnt.

I’m sure I’m not the only one – probably another one they can add to the long list of symptoms they make up every week.

Try audiobooks, or soft music, or anything that makes you think pleasanter thoughts.

In my experience, when your body really needs sleep, it will take it, so don’t worry.

It did eventually between 6:30 and about 20 mins ago. Thanks for the advice I’m normally a sound sleeper but put it down to being in the house too much not enough fresh air

DB – I had been having the same problem. A couple of weeks ago I spent a whole week not looking at the news websites, LS or anything else COVID related. I felt a lot more positive and balanced after that. I now also have an evening cut off of about 8pm, after which I have no screen time, except sometimes for work. This has reduced the COVID thoughts at 3am.

As much as I wish to stand and fight I have to keep stepping back from it all, the damage to my mental and physical health these last 8 months not to mention my interpersonal relationships is awful. I feel more hopeful now that it’s not just a few as in March and am extremely grateful to this website. I hope we’ll be ok and eventually the public will have had enough. I’m not downloading any apps or taking any jabs so if that’s the hill I die on I’ve made my peace wit it, over to the masses…

‘ a battle for Boris’s soul’s

They would have to find it first

Probably up his ‘Rsoul’

Carrie wants find the ‘old consensual boris’s. Nothing good ever came out of consensual politics.

Both versions of dePiffle are dud. What a fool. Just go, Johnson. Give us your ‘second wave’.

Ruinous Cycle lanes came out of his time as Mayor of London.

The man is beyond pity. If all he wanted was to enjoy a young woman wouldn’t it have made more sense just to have an occasional visit to an escort? Also that way he would not have to satisfy a hungry young woman on a daily basis….no wonder he always looks fucked….as is the country under his ‘leadership’!

Ha ha, only a man could possibly write that! 9 months of pregnancy followed by birth and a baby at the breast is not conducive to nightly sex, I assure you.

Why is Johnson’s iffy girlfriend having a say on the workings of government resign Johnson take Hancock with you

Anyway, who would want it.

How can I have a good day now that I’m thinking about Johnson’s… errrr… johnson dancing at the end of a piece of string?

You’re assuming he’s got one.

she’s got his balls in her hands

I remember the moment in the “Spinal Tap” motion picture when the cricket bat-toting manager is replaced by the girlfriend, and the band’s situation nosedives.

Attacks on Symonds ‘ vicious and cowardly’……………………. says, yes you guessed it……. Symonds

Surely such an experienced political operator as Symmonds would not hide behind that old canard ?

Surely ANY experienced political operator would INSTANTLY hide behind that!

People hide behind canards when they run out of valid arguments

As usual we have the usual screeching from the feminanzis crying ‘victim’. If anyone is a victim it’s the People of this country who are governed by fools and egos.

The ousted spads were waged.

The altruistic manipulatrix of the Johnsonian joystick will run the country for free.

Think of the money we’ll save.

she’s a disgusting slut who sucks dick for money and power

Jab jingle #6

‘Don’t be a Prick,
Take the prick.’

Sexist I know, sorry.

Reminds me of Private Eye’s long-ago comment on artificial insemination:

‘Will it hurt, doctor?’
‘You won’t even feel a little prick.’

Excellent

it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 9:5 KJV

(Possible Viagra joke in there too).

Strictly not relevant. It refers to conscience. Boris hasn’t got one.

The Guardian: Sage expert:’flip-flopping’ on Covid restrictions unwise.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/15/sage-expertflip-flopping-on-covid-restrictions-unwise

Government expert Prof John Edmund should know that governments don’t run epidemics, epidemics run themselves.

Viruses gonna virus

Yes, don’t flip-flop, just lock everybody up until the magic potion arrives.
It makes me wonder about the miserable, stunted lives these Sages must always have led, insofar as they can terminate all normal human interaction without a qualm.

Committee Unifying the Nation’s Top Scientists.

Can I use that? It will go so well with our existing Customer Understanding Network Team.

It’s yours. Please deploy.

I’m coming to the conclusion that scientists in epidemiology simply weren’t good enough to get proper jobs in science.

Insulated from reality WFH on full salaries.

They’re sociopaths, they don’t do empathy.

At the beginning sage followed standard epidemiology.Edmunds ,Vallance etc are all on record advocating a policy akin to herd immunity.Why did they change and for what reason?

They bought/acquired shares in Pfizer ?

And GSK!!!

He’s a snake and she’s BS.

If I had a proper 9-5 office job could I skive off with asymptomatic Long Covid?

You’re on great form this morning.

Only in the public sector!

Reply to Richard
Richard, response to your question from yesterday:

The BBC, reference is https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54931723
This very much an upper bound as I have adjusted for false negatives but not false positives, so the infection rate is most likely better than this.

It is as if we were living in an episode of the Only Way is Essex meets Alice in Wonderland. It might be funny if it were not that this lot of petulant incompetent prima-donnas are in charge of our country. While lighting the wood-burner last night there was a programme on some TV channel about Churchill the contrast was stark. Despite drinking more alcohol per day than is currently recommended per week he knew what was going on; they talked about him sending a memo to the Home Secretary to stamp out pettifogging nitpicking nonsense about the way food rationing was being handled, he wanted people to support it through consensus not be annoyed by rules, I am not sure if Father Jack and Princess Nut nuts (Boris & Carrie) have a clue who the people are let alone what is going on.
At the same time Churchill was a man on the move meeting and addressing the troops and the people all over the place. The contrast with our present ‘leader’ was vivid.

But what strikes me overall is that we currently have time to reflect on these shenanigans at no 10. Today’s news-letter, as above, has to pick apart reports to find what is going on and if there is really a problem. Whereas back in March/April the death rate in the UK was double the 5 year average you did not have to look far to see people being sick and the hospital fatality rate was around 7%.. There was general agreement that was an emergency and emergency action was needed and Statutory Instruments were put in place hurriedly to try and meet the 3 stated objectives of the moment.
There is no longer an emergency, whatever is going on? you have to search it out and tease out the figures, that is not an emergency. Nobody is dropping bombs on the country and overall deaths are not wildly out of line with the average and so there is no longer an emergency. And no longer any need for these hastily drafted rather dubious Statutory Instruments that are currently making life a misery to no good effect.

RESCIND ALL EMERGENCY CORONAVIRUS LEGISLATION NOW,

Totally agree, fiddling while Rome burns, the tossers. You were living life on the edge, lighting a wood burner. Heard some news item on the radio the other night suggesting they may cause alzheimer’s (jeez, they’re really trying hard on the old carbon neutral guff atm).

Apologies if this has been posted already but this is excellent from Professor Sucharit Bhakdi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE&t=563s

It’s a good one, isn’t it? I sent it to my sister-in-law and it converted her to the sceptics cause.

Very well done. Another one in the plus column

I posted it yesterday – no answer came the stern reply.
Not even looking at anything – think I’ve been unfollowed by them all.

They don’t want their Covid plague illusions shattered, that would hurt just too much.

Mankind lived for tens of thousands of years in smokey hovels, mind you they didn’t live long enough to get alzheimer’s.

Indeed. I felt like lighting my stove just as an act of defiance but it wasn’t cold enough to justify it!

Can you remember where your stove is?

What is a stove?

I’ve just watched this right through to the end. Amazing, thanks for posting.

Thanks for this. I’m just listening to it.

Just watched it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. As more and more people put the thought out there that a/ this isn’t anything like as scary we first believed, and b/ if that is now known, why is it still being pushed as such, I truly hope and believe the whole ghastly mess will come tumbling down around their ears. They can’t shut us all down.

He is superb – the 2 minutes from 17.30 about homo sapiens warrants a clip on Toby’s main post. Wish I knew how to cut and paste this short clip to send to fellow humans.

watch from here for 2 minutes – his intensity brings tears to the eyes
https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE?t=1047

Having previously read a fair bit about Churchill – including the eight-volume Gilbert biography – I’m forced to the conclusion that Johnson has read, or at least understood, nothing whatsoever about him, despite claiming to have written a biography (which I haven’t read btw).

I’ve read it it’s blustery but fair.

Johnson’s biography of Churchill? I remember reading somewhere ages ago that someone wrote it for him. No idea it that’s correct or not – but I do find it hard to imagine him having the metal discipline to sit down and write a book.

Well, Johnson has brought the British army to the streets of Britain, as Churchill did in Tonypandy.

In my opinion even back in March/April it there was little evidence of a deadly virus requiring such extreme measures – the good research(look at swiss doctors historical page) was already telling us this virus was not significantly more dangerous then the flu. Yes the media hysterics were impressive.

Remember that what was presented to us as they key evidence that we must lock down was not an analysis of the data describing what had happened – it was the now infamous Prof Furgeson model predicting what might happen and even at that time sufficient information was available to call in to question the inputs to this model.

Is there some ‘legislation’? Genuine question.

Devil’s Dictionary and Bonfire of the Liberties – very amusing!

Loved to poster! Best one yet I would say.

Anti lockdown demonstration in Wolverhampton as reported by BBC Midlands today: “Around 100 anti lockdown conspiracy theorists confronted by police”
That’s it then, no pictures or interviews with anyone who dares question this madness!!

MiniTrue in operation again.

So not biased then

It’s enough now.

The figures from Liverpool (336 of 90,000 people tested are infected) are the clearest indication yet, although we’ve known for months the ‘second wave’ is a small ripple.

We’ve known for months the PCR test gives huge numbers of false positives (see for example NYT 29/8).

The excess deaths are because people have been petrified by the government from going to hospital. 39% of the country think over 3 million people have died FROM COVID in the UK alone.

At least 1.2 million (in the UK) have lost their jobs.

Lockdowns have achieved virtually nothing (compare Sweden to UK/ France etc)

The worst thing is children and young people have had their lives, education and employment opportunities devastated because of the idiocy of the government.

This is a disgrace. We must act normally and older/ vulnerable people should be careful as they always should this time of year.

Let’s have a reality check.

Zombies don’t live in the real world.
Zombies don’t live.

Think bigger. We never had a serious problem in the first place. The death spike we had can’t be deconvoluted from bad practice. The issue is now people are brainwashed to believe that Covid is this big killer. Pneumonia is a big killer but we somehow just shrug that off.

This shit show isn’t about a virus, it’s about vaccines, saving dolphins, stopping the ice caps melting, stopping the sea levels rising, stopping the world heating up so its 38 degrees in December every year.

Like it is in Australia. Cos that’s global warming innit?

It’s about money, reputations,egos, power, control, coercion, lies, evil at play, universal ID, travel restrictions, cycle lanes, cutting carbon, working from home, shafting small business, killing pubs, mass brainwashing, psychological warfare, economic warfare, warfare against families, warfare against friendships, warfare against humanity.

Oh yer it might also be about a virus that’s in reality just a bit shit.

I know I may get it in the neck hereabouts but this constant vilifying of the green movement always suggesting it is the enemy of ‘real’ life and business is somewhat misplaced. Change has always occurred from hunter gatherer to settled agrarian societies, from these to heavy industry, to the digital economies of now. I reckon if you had asked a coal miner if he preferred his son to follow him down the pit, or work in an office he probably would say the latter. For years small charities and orgs. have campaigned against a variety of things ,such as de- forestation, species loss, trade in endangered species, etc.. Biodiversity is essential fir life, see E O Wilson the biologist on Biophilia. Yes there will be ‘ greenwash’ from big business but innovation and jobs will result in newer, sigh greener industries. Question to the hairy -arsed vegan bashers.. would they slit the throat of a lamb in front of their kids? or buy a nice pre. packed piece of ‘meat’ from a supermarket? also micro plastics can be found in every organ in the body, if your happy with this carry on, if not what are your suggestions to do summat about it? Oh. and the Botham character cracking on about how great custodians of the countryside gamekeepers are yes these are the same arseholes that have devastated the Forest of Bowland of it’s Hen Harriers, the same place that has this bird as it’s logo!, they are responsible for the shooting, poisoning and trapping of many birds of prey and other species and quite frankly I know where I would place both barrels..

Why would you get it in the neck…you are entitled to your opinion and I would agree with some of it. He who hath no sin cast the first stone.

The only people who are incentivised to kill hen harriers are the followers of Packham who want shooting banned. Keepers aren’t killing hen harriers, followers of Packham are doing the killing and blaming it on the keepers.

Absolute bollox mate!

Prove it. Which, of course you can’t.

It’s morphed into a ‘Green Blob’ Those people and their concerns you speak of are cottage industries in the Green firmament. The movement has been highjacked by the self serving establishment hiding behind a chimera of concern. They’re the same elite, using people to further their own interests, rather than serving them.

I am all for using less energy, working less, buying less crap, growing your own food, de-centralised food production and supply, even UBI to some extent. Little hobbit homes in rural areas, real communities. Cycling, less air travel. Less driving of cars. Solar power, wind power, water power, tidal power.

Low energy life-styles, not eating meat, even eating a vegan diet. All Ok with me.

I like all of these things and if the plan to drive these things wasn’t powered by people who are 100% evil I would be happy with the green revolution and the great reset.

However all these goals have been forced upon us with no discussion or democratic process and no public engagement . It’s global, It’s clumsy, Its damaging and its brutish.

I concur. I’m very much on board with most of it, but what I thoroughly object to is the coercion, lying and bullying and the fact that they leave the less well off with no financially beneficial choices.

They have a solution for the poor and the workless.

Not unlike Communism which is presented as being for the benefit of the people but which always ends in brutal subjugation..

ED: if Communism worked I would be all for it but a Century of trials shows that it does not.

The killing of hen harriers disgusts and infuriates me but I’m no Green. Nowt to do with Greenism. The Duke of [insert bastard offspring location 700 years ago] as owner needs 6 months in the slammer to consider his ways, doubled and doubled again for each offence his gamekeeper hides from. Greenies just latch on to others’ causes. Total cynics. Stop killing hens you feckers! Shame on you. Right, back to virus casedemics…

I was always quite pleased that the industrial revolution had freed us from the tyranny of perpetual working on the land, always digging muddy trenches in the rain with a wooden spade.

Well said!

hear hear

There is no virus.

There is a virus. It’s just nowhere near as dangerous as “They” would have people believe.

There is no empirical evidence that the Sars-cov-2 exists and it appears to be nothing more than very expensively rebranded influenza. They must have a powerful motive for carrying out this almighty scam and I can come up with all sorts of nasty reasons why they might do all this, but nothing benign ever comes to mind or makes any sense.

The second wave was a stall tactic to prolong the farce just long enough to coincide with the beginning of the flu season..

As predicted here 6 months ago

From what I’ve read, PCR tests can’t detect infections.

I’m dizzy and exhausted from all the skulduggery. If Cristiano Ronaldo can test positive three separate times, then we know that something fishy is going on. He must be super healthy.

If the PCR test had never been invented life would be going on as normal. We’re witnessing a PCR casedemic.

Lies, lies and more lies. Every one of them a Pinocchio.

Look out for the Long Noses.

Interesting to compare chart 2 with the Worldometer Covid death rate for UK.

Back in March/April, there were about 1000 deaths a day, so about 7000 deaths a week due to Covid. Chart 2 shows that the weekly death rate was about 10,000 a week up compared to the seasonal average. So I will be generous and say the increase in death rate seen in Chart 2 are substantially due to Covid.

But Covid deaths are now running at around 3,500 a week according to Worldometer, so why is that not showing up as an increase in the weekly death rate up to around 14,000 deaths a week in Chart 2?

The reason is that deaths due to other respiratory diseases is down and the apportionment of deaths due to other causes like strokes, heart attacks etc. is not what is usual for this time of year.

My point is that Whitty et al. know this, but they choose to assume that these Covid deaths are on top of what the NHS would usually have to deal with – as they were in March/April – whereas now, they are not. The NHS is not under stress due to Covid (if it ever was).

“ Covid deaths are now running at around 3,500 a week”

Of course they’re not – in any meaningful sense.

Another example of misattribution.

That would mean ~1/3rd of all deaths are from SARS-CoV-2. (ONS base data)

… which is total bollocks.

Complete bollocks.

As in I agree with you!

https://www.aier.org/article/the-orwellian-pandemic/

Worth reading; the new speak now in use in polite circles.

Thanks for sharing the article Wendyk.

Be kind. Stay safe. Save lives. Unprecedented times.

makes me puke whenever I hear this bollox.

And me.

“[I]f vaccination works and if we’re confident it’s safe, and all indications so far are good, then I can certainly see the day when businesses say: ‘Look, you’ve got to return to the office and if you’re not vaccinated you’re not coming in,’” Mr Tugendhat told the HuffPost’s Commons People podcast.

…here it comes…the next level of pleb enslavement.

Tugendtwat is clearly only in the CRG as a mole.

FFS ! I didn’t realise TugEnd was in the CRG. Shills, many of them, I bet.

Sadly that probably true. It’s such an obvious redux that I’d be astonished if the party leadership DIDN’T try this.

I’m a bit slow this morning but what does CRG stand for … have tried searching but only came up with Common Rich Girl!

Covid/Corona Research Group

Thank you.

Covid Recovery Group apparently

I sent the link to my MP yesterday so she knows we’re onto her
If they do this, I will resign.

I’m sorry boss, but my vaccination status is medical in confidence.

If you’ve carried out a risk assessment and the the assessemtn has identified a virus as a workplace hazard and you’ve decided that vaccination is the appropriate control to that workplace hazard, then it’s your duty under the various bits of HEALTH and safety legislation to provide the vaccination at your expense.

The battle for Boris’ soul is two bald men fighting over a comb.

A non- existent comb.

A coxcomb.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/coxcomb

Music and Lyrics by Lewis Papier
The Scam

When you’ve been the victim of THE SCAM
You believe you’re lending helping hands
Never close, your gaze has turned to stone
You march apart, sadly all alone
You believe you’re saving many lives
Now it’s time to pull out all your knives
You claim you’ve been surely heaven sent
Ensuring that you will crush all dissent

Now it’s time to grab your trusty mask
Put it on so you fulfill your tasks
Keep your six feet distance to the inch
Isolate, no contact, it’s a cinch!
You ignore the people that you hurt
They’ve lost their jobs now they feel like dirt
Never acting like you really should
Claiming it’s for the greater good

Insisting that you always must be thanked
Science never wrong, it’s sacrosanct
You decide for all of us what’s best
While pinning medals on each other’s chest

Everything must go without a hitch
As long as you are certified a snitch
Turn them in for that must be their fate
They’re contagious—please don’t hesitate
When you’ve been the victim of the scam
You must believe in their holy plan
Shout for joy-a mandate by the state
All take your shots—for they will vaccinate
There are no corpses in the street
No one dead-you will ever meet
Things are getting worse you all agree
Just because you’ve heard it on TV

Now it’s time to grab your trusty mask
Put it on so you fulfill your tasks
Keep your six feet distance to the inch
Isolate, no contact, it’s a cinch!
All that’s happened doesn’t leave you blue
Despite the crazy things they make you do
What a shame you surely never knew
That you’ve been duped, missing all the clues

In China the pandemic was called real
The peoples’ liberty yes they did steal
Based upon the scientists’ cheap guess
There were surely no exhaustive tests!

All the sick and dying that you claim
Your reasons why they’re dying are quite lame
Sick for many years there’s always more
From pre-existing factors you ignore
When you’ve been the victim of the Scam
You will never try and understand
But maybe one day you’ll finally see
Time for all of us yes to be free
Time for all of us yes to be free

https://soundcloud.com/turfseer/the-scam-complete-mix

And it’s one two three what are we fighting for? Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn, next stop is Stasiland.

Whilst i m sure, ultimately, it will mean a Starmer premiership and a second Scots ref, every day i can imagine the smile grow even more on Farage s face as he looks at the so called “Blue Wall” and how much damage say, 20% off every northern Tory MP , he will inflict on the moron Johnson.

Wtf have we done to deserve Starmer as Premier

We voted for Johnson lol.

May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Wilson …

According to a WH Smith’s member of staff at Charing X station yesterday, you can only touch the newspaper you intend to buy.
When I asked “why” and “can I catch CV from touching a newspaper” and “what’s the medical evidence” she adopted the Eichman defence:”I’m only saying what head office told me to say.”
I helpfully suggested that her head office should supply posters with this information. “Customers don’t read posters” and “there’s no room to put them up.”
“How about here”, I replied, “next to your other Covid posters”
Two other masked security staff listened to this exchange in case I kicked off and she needed help!

Customers don’t read posters?mThen why is every town, every street, every shop, every pub… plastered with them?

From my experience, customers do not read posters. Especially if you have a lot.
And after all these months, people who do read them are by now aware and won’t look to see a new one.
Most posters are to cover your arse.

Is reading a newspaper on a train still a Covid Crime in Wales?

Hopefully-can’t think of anything more likely to infect the entire train.Acts as a catalyst to bypass muzzles.

Leaving it on your seat when you get off the train might be..

My response to any “only obeying orders” functionary is “Warum mussem wir diese Juden erschiessen?”

The inevitable quizzical look, I answer with the English translation “Why must we shoot these Jews?” and tell the functionary over raised eyebrows “oh shut up and obey orders. It’s what head office wants”. If they still don’t get it, I have to tell them that their attitude is what helped kill 6 million Jews in the Holocaust.

Interesting paper ‘Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy’

Suggests SARS-CoV2 may have been circulating as far back as September 2019 in Italy

There are no robust data on the real onset of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection and spread in the prepandemic period worldwide. We investigated the presence of SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD)–specific antibodies in blood samples of 959 asymptomatic individuals enrolled in a prospective lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 to track the date of onset, frequency, and temporal and geographic variations across the Italian regions. SARS-CoV-2 RBD-specific antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy. This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. Finding SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in asymptomatic people before the COVID-19 outbreak in Italy may reshape the history of pandemic.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0300891620974755?journalCode=tmja&amp ;

Very interesting, there was already information from Spain for Covid in November. If we are back to September now, then it’s starting to lead back to those Whuan hospital pictures from that period and not January.

Saw multiple patients with mild fever and a persistent cough lasting up to 6 weeks.
This was October/November last year.

This was not just my observation but my colleagues including GPs in their own practices.

Coinciding with the arrival of students from China at the end of September beginning of October.

This was in one university city in the midlands. It would be interesting to see if other areas had similar experiences this time last year.

Just to add to this I had exactly that mild fever and cough last October, shortly after attending a weekend get-together at my old university, 50th anniversary of ‘going up’. There were people from all over Europe there, not sure if any from further afield though. I remember the cough very well, lasted a good month and at its worst was very like whooping cough (which i had as a child)

We had fever and persistent cough here last year in early Nov to mid December. 3 out of 7 close family members had fever and cough, the rest of us had few or no symptoms.(small town in warwickshire)

I am considering putting in FOI requests to local acute hospitals for information regarding admissions for respiratory conditions for August to December 2019.

FOI request made to my local acute hospital. I await their response.

Way before that, there were cold viruses generating nasty persistent coughs. Doh!

p02099003 Yes. I worked closely in a poorly ventilated room with a group of Chinese research students for 3 days in October who had just arrived in the UK and also met some of their parents who had come over for tours of the new science facility. (West Midlands). Several were from Wuhan, and 1 was coughing a lot, but had no other symptoms. A week later developed a dry cough in the throat and had a raised temperature. On day 2 felt 102 with severe lethargy but the latter had worn off by the 4th day. Took paracetamol and carried on. Temperature back to normal on day 3, but repetitive dry cough in the throat lasted over a week. Some of the other staff experienced the same health issues and the personal cleaner for one of those individuals went down with the infection shortly afterwards and was pretty poorly for 2 weeks.

2018, Bresica, Lombardy, Northern Italy,

“We would like however to report on the strange pneumonia epidemic that occurred in and around Brescia in Lombardy (Italy) between September and November 2018. As you may know, that is also the first epicenter of the current “Covid” epidemic in Europe. Only this one happened slightly more than a year before. It was extremely peculiar, and was extensively covered by the local press. Here were its main characteristics (references will be found below).

Local hospitals were overwhelmed: over 850 people were admitted in a short time span, among which at least 10 died. Astonishingly, the patients affected were 70% male (does that remind you of anything ?). They were furthermore predominantly elderly, or with diseases that involve immunosuppression and/or other risk factors such as smoking. Children were barely affected ( still nothing? ). The patients that presented the most serious conditions suffered from respiratory distress and had to be put on ventilators .

Furthermore, health authorities at the time said this episode was unlike anything they had ever seen .

https://coronacircus.com/2020/04/23/coronacirus-revisionism-chapter-1-the-strange-case-of-brescia/

There were several journal articles published about a new viral infection that produced coughs, fevers and pneumonia like symptoms back in early December that were noted by doctors throughout China (not just the Wuhan province) and one of the USA states where a large group of people had returned from an event in Wuhan in October who were sick. They tested negative for flu, but retained samples were rechecked early in 2020 for SARS CoV-2 and were positive. There was also an article about some re-testing of swabs taken from people in France who had been admitted to hospital with an unknown flu type virus but which had originally tested negative for flu and the serum samples were positive for SARS-CoV-2 going back to the beginning of November 2019. Several epidemiologists, virologists and infectious disease specialists have reported that they believe this coronavirus was quietly circulating within and outside China since late summer 2019 or earlier. Unfortunately this pre-dates the time when I began noting links to sources of key information so I cannot provide them here for others to follow up. However, the New York Times and Washington Post apparently picked up on the information because if memory serves correctly they published accounts and raised concerns about a new virus that originated in China and named 2 of the doctors who had attended patients back in the autumn and reported their concerns to the Chinese authorities. (Both doctors had disappeared by the time WHO officials wanted to interview them).

This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified …

Surely this is to try to provide evidence that asymptomatic people are spreaders? Bhakdi said there was only one very feeble piece of supporting evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE&t=563s

Long time reader, first time poster. I’m traditionally a left leaning ‘do gooder’ but I’ve lost it completely with the craziness of supposedly intelligent people!

A local pub close to me threatened to open last week after having no response from the government over several concerns they had about the second lockdown (quelle surprise!). In the end they didn’t open.

Interestingly they posted an update for the first time in a week tonight which was a little ambiguous but mentioned something cryptic which I thought was interesting:

“We will keep this short;
our personal views on the situation have not changed, however, following the video on Thursday we were contacted by some very knowledgeable and inspirational people who gave us some invaluable advice. We are in this for the long game not the short and we want to ensure that anything we do from now on can be fully sustained.

There are a lot of things happening behind the scenes not just locally but by very influential people and next week very big things may come to fruition. ”

It was the suggestion that something is happening not just locally that heightened my interest. I wonder what that might be?

If businesses had any sense, they would get together and collectively reopen at the same time. I can’t see how the government could stop them.

Reopen. Prices less VAT. Outlaw business surely can’t be considered to be VAT applicable. Indeed if the annual revenue is so low does VAT apply ?

Welcome to the discussion. I like your name.

Welcome, Noel! Do keep us posted about your pub!

Just checked on Face-ache. Yes, it’s the same pub where I had a wonderful birthday meal a couple of weeks ago. We phoned up to see if they had re-opened, as we wanted to support them again.
Welcome, NGE-love the name! Glad to know that you don’t live too far away from me.

Welcome, what was the video on Thursday?

Hopefully a Revolution with pitchforks!

The battle for Johnson’s R soul.

In Princess NutNuts purse, along with Bojos balls

There is nothing so pitiful as a hen pecked man. Bozo needs to stand in our shoes to gauge the contempt we feel for him.

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1327880863695200256?s=20

Baker said he thinks the vaccine will save us. Be very wary!

Carrie Symonds is 32. How can she possibly have “years of experience” in anything?
Fair enough to chat things over with the other half as we all do but that should be where it stops. They had better not be secret matters that she has no more right to know than any other citizen.
Having said that I’m so glad Dom has gone if he was pushing for strict lockdowns. Maybe we will see things relax a little, although we need them to relax a lot.

Until SAGE is dismantled and/or Hancock goes, things remain the same.

reminds me of the BS kids put on their CVs these days. “Highly experienced rainmaker and change architect. Expertise in imagination engineering. Age 19, living at home. Interests: developing my influencer base”
i never read past the first intro summary…just press delete.

So agree. But, apparently, they are told at school that their cvs should be like this. I’ve seen three page jobs from 16 year olds and whenever they say how wonderful they are, I lose interest. I always tell staff that their cvs should be no longer than a page long.

One of my best employees was a young woman who when she arrived for her interview, I said I would be with her shortly (I was in the middle of some task or other) and she asked if I needed a hand. I decided there and then she’d got the job. We are still friends.

Education education education. Worked well didn’t it?

Almost masterful by Bliar. He was focused on lowering the unemployment figures but pushing as many students to University education. However they had to fiddle the exams to enable their plan to work which resulted in thousands of students with worthless degrees and saddled with debts.

Exactly. I think though that the rot set in before that. I went to a bog-standard comprehensive in the 70s (y ou know the ones that MPs advocate for the plebs while sending their own little darlings somewhere decent). I wasn’t academically gifted but I did want to learn. I couldn’t do so because the trouble-makers ruined any chance of that. I had a wonderful French teacher (I think she was Polish) and the poor woman was continually prevented from teaching anything by thuggish trouble-makers (and that was just the girls).

My secondary comprehensive schooling I received during the 1980s was shockingly bad , a combination of Thatcher and the Marxist teaching unions doing their very best to ruin working class children’s education .

I passed my 11 plus to get into the Grammar school but by the time I got there it had been turned into a second class modern by, as it happens, one Jeremy Corbyn.

For information : the teacher unions were never ‘Marxist’, and a majority of teachers voted conservative at that time.

Thats very true.

It worked better than that because it gave them 3 years in which to complete the Marxist indoctrination.

Yawn

Well – it never happened. The actuality was ‘training, training, training’ for compliance.

That did work well.

Very good. The penny just dropped.

I have often wondered whether Carrie is part of a mid-life crisis for Boris. Did a 55 year old man really PLAN to have a new baby to add to his grown-up brood, after such a strenuous year: the battle over Brexit, a leadership contest, followed by a general election? Was an engagement announced to make the whole thing acceptable to elderly, grass roots tories? Is Carrie a high maintenance partner?
I’m just not convinced by this relationship and totally agree with what you say, Steph.

Exactly. That in itself evidences decision-making of the absolute piss poorest variety. You would have to be a loon to have another baby at his age and with his circumstances.

What makes you think he had any say?

He could’ve double bagged.

Exactly, I bet it came as a shock to him too.

I have wondered, rather mischievously, if the ban on weddings isn’t rather a convenience for him. Kicking the can down the road as it were.

I came to the same conclusion.

Mid-life crisis? Nah, it started round about Day 1 and will doubtless continue till he reaches his Final Destination!

We know why she chose him, he’s easily manipulated.

his brains (if he has any) are in his underpants!!

Like Clinton.

She’s independently something of a high flyer in Tory communications, she has got all the MPs phone numbers and they have hers to use as a back channel to bozo.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-fought-save-partners-17859061

This was from last year.

That’s appalling!

That’s how I feel about my fluffy young public-school – no clue about how the plebs lead their lives. No – Conservatives are irrelevant now.

fluffy young public-school MP btw – sorry

I’m 26 but have 8 years experience and a degree in my field, so it is possible to be young and experienced.

28 here with 10 years experience and various qualifications in my field. Once you reach a certain level of competence, the number of years spent doing something compared with somebody else becomes far less relevant. At this point your skill is what counts.

It is possible to have 40 years experience of doing something very badly, I have seen this far too often.

Still strongly dislike Ms Symonds though!

Yes – you’re right – it is certainly possible. I think it depends what job you are doing as to whether the learned knowledge from the academic qualifications, or the experience counts more, or in equal measure.

My OH is a senior design engineer. I am pretty sure that he would value your experience equally to your qualification, provided that your work and work ethic were up to the same standard. He started on the drawing boards, before CAD days, way back when he was 16. He worked as an apprentice, and went to college in the evenings to get an HNC – no degree. He now has 35 years experience, and oversees 5 other design engineers. He doesn’t find many people who have the same amount of knowledge that he now has. I think he would far rather take someone on who has proven and good experience, either with or without a degree. He has come across many interviewees and co-workers who deem that their degree alone, means that they are worthy of a high position, or that they already know everything, and they rarely do.

For a politician, I would think that life experience is much more important – it is very hard for me to see that someone in their 20’s or even early 30’s these days, could have possibly learned enough from life to understand the sorts of problems their constituents may face.

surely Boris discussing matters of state to his other half is contravening the official secrets act. It is unacceptable for a partner to be influencing matters of state!!

Peter Hitchens with a cracker today. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8949379/PETER-HITCHENS-panicking-Prime-Minister-bankrupting-Britain.html
Nothing new, but his cogent style summarises the tsunami of Grieg hitting soon. Don’t read it unless you’re prepared to get angry(er).

Oops. I meant grief…

Yes, but his blog does it without all the irritating DM stuff!

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

Good point.

That about says it all.

And btw here’s a gif that goes with the #Wobble thread from yesterday:-

Why the downtick? – nothing to do with the pic above. Maybe that wasn’t very clear.
Was in reply to Sarigan re something from yesterday about the #Wibble movement (our opposites, but not our equals) –

CGL
Our adversaries – https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=148413636993386&id=111076047393812
The sheeple flock here apparently. They think we’re the nuts ones

Cranmer
A 2-second reading of the comments on there suggest most can’t understand the difference between lockdown scepticism and covid ‘denial’. #Wibble indeed, that’s probably about the level of their argument.

BeBopRockSteady
I’ve been wibbeled on a close the schools Facebook group. Think I was pointing out that Sweden gave a message of hope and we should be rooting for their approach. I have left now, such people are lost.

Sarigan
Reply with #wobble (of the bottom lip variety)

It’s UNSTOPPABLE!

I have nightmares like this

It’s not easy to see oneself surrounded by millions of those and trying to navigate as far as possible!

The “CUVID” (CU=ASS) wave is too big!

I would make it smaller like this…

That’s excellent. Going to forward that everywhere.

Grieg’s March of the Trolls?

“Surely it is in the Prime Minister’s interest that he hears from a range of people.” Oh, the irony.

What they mean is ” A bunch of gobby wimmin like us.”
(I speak as a woman).

Vaccination anxiety is starting to creep in. I don’t know whether the best approach is to not engage in these discussions at all then call the govt’s bluff. I can’t see them setting up an apartheid two tier state personally but you never know. Alternatively fight it with every sinew.

Since I’m in the last-to-get-the-jab group I’m leaning towards the former. I reckon that by the time it comes round to me there’s a good chance something will have happened to put the skids under the while project.

I’m not quite last, but still playing for time – still anxious though

Same. As a white female in my early 40s with no health problems I’m glad to say that I’ll be at the back of the queue. By the time they get to me I’m hoping the hysteria will have calmed down and / or any problems with the vaccine will have been made apparent.

To msttghg, unfortunately i’m fairly near the top of the pile, but I’ll happily donate my jab to Gates

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54893437

Vaccine rumours debunked – today’s offering from the Beeb

this is going to be the latest mainstream media (and tech giants’) big thrust over the coming months. It covers: Bill Gates and microchip claims, Altered DNA claims, and Side effect claims.

Must be true then!

I am certain that vaccination is a rabbit hole. We have to maintain the focus on lockdown and let the vaccine scepticism grow organically. Focus on ending lockdown and let the vaccination issue look after itself. Personally I think we should be concentrating all our efforts on the weakness of the tests. Please can Toby or Will post a link able article by Dr Clare!!!

The better Feynman quote is when it comes to science (and life):

““The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”
But my favourite is Thomas Huxley:

“The great tragedy of science – the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact”

Facts don’t just come as data. They come as logic.

https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1327887207865126912?s=20

I was hoping to read something there from Carl and Tom about whether and how many of those positive tests in hospital translated into patients needing treatment for covid. I know they have made clear before that the information is not available to them, but raising the question again seems important. They conclude that the problem will be with us for a long time, but what are the parameters of that problem as far as the risk to patients?

https://twitter.com/JoshuaRozenberg/status/1327886571698348033?s=20

Good morning everyone, the Covid19 perception deception is discussed in this video https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE
and is a must watch, Professor Sucharit Bhakdi is fantastic – please forward to as many as you can.

He is absolutely sublime. What a lovely man.

No one voted for Symonds and her socialist friends yet she is pulling the strings. Bozo continues to look like a hen pecked wuss!

Ah yes but he gets a nice shag every night!

Typos there? ‘Snide hag’, perhaps?

With the aid of the blue tablets no doubt at his time of life. He must still be permanently knackered though. Thats the problem with old man young woman relationships. They might work on the money/power front but they fail in the physical sphere.

9 months of pregnancy followed by giving birth and a baby at breast is not conducive to nightly sex, I think you may one day discover.

No-one voted for Wittery and his bunch, either.

Boris was either bounced into Lockdown 2.0 or he did it in his own right, callous and demonic.

Either way he remains a Covid Nazi and no Nuremberg Tribunal will wash away the blood on his hands.

Agree! DePiffle is the PM. It’s his bloody job and the buck stops there.

bounced into lockdown -like virtually all other countries in Europe???

Either way he still looks a plonker.

So the brain damaged pig dictator and Princess Nut Nut defeat the forces of darkness and live happily ever after

However my model (Swedish seeing as you ask) is predicting a loss of about 500,000 during and extremely unpleasant divorcedemic

“So the brain damaged pig dictator and Princess Nut Nut”— this is priceless Cecil

Bj making a fuss about her being called Princess Nut Nut is a bit of a Streisand effect. Now we all know and use the term.

Johnson should have got himself a Swedish model instead of Carrie.

A volvo maybe?

Yes and an avid supporter of the Swedish strategy for dealing with Covid, then maybe we would be in with a chance of getting him to change his current course!

UK collusion in rigging the US election for the Democratic Party candidate. Just like last time. If this fails to come off for Biden, there will have to be a change of personnel on our side of the pond as well.

Regarding the Covid Recovery Group ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID_Recovery_Group ). I hope the growing membership numbers (now at over 70 apparently, though I would like to see a list of names) is a good thing for us.

In the short term I think it is the only thing (with the possible exception of the Dolan case) that is going to improve things, because they are the only ones with any power to rein in the PM.

That said, unless they mount a leadership challenge, the PM can just use Labour votes if he needs them. They may need to hold him to ransom on other legislation.

The danger is that they are far too accepting of the narrative and will push vaccination, mass testing and masks, while lifting some of the direct restrictions on businesses, and then declare job done. Maybe it is better for the people to be pushed to boiling point by months of draconian restrictions to realise they have been had. Trouble is I am not sure they would.

I would take issue with this part of today’s above the line post:

“ merely opposing an extension of the second lockdown – or, God forbid, the imposition of a third one – isn’t enough? The group must make it clear to Boris that plunging us back into Tier three on December 3rd would be unacceptable too. ”

1) It’s not a second lockdown, it is the continuation of the first
2) Plunging us back into Tier ONE would be unacceptable

I agree. They do have a worry about loss of liberty primarily, especially when the justification for it are weak at best. However, they need to go further, like the BMJ has done now and call out the corruption or conflicts between Pharma, SAGE and government. That cabal is pushing much of the mass compulsory vaccination zealously.

Any help in Parliament is worth welcoming.

Hopefully their idea of liberty stretches to what people are allowed to strap to their face.

Then perhaps the BMJ should have facilitated the publication of the Danish mask study.

Are these the same group of MPs that voted for more restrictions only a couple of weeks ago. Also renewal of the Covid Act and extension of furlough. Were they all bounced into it too. Or am I mistaken?

Some of them will have been, yes. Not all. I don’t think there’s anything wrong per se with people changing their mind, but I’d want to see some quite positive noises from them to reassure me they were “sound”.

They have probably adopted a ‘sceptics lite’ narrative to try and entice waverers to join them even those who voted for second lockdown. Its a high risk strategy as all Johnson needs to say is ‘well some of you voted for the lockdown’. Its the age old political dilemma of how much you can water down your position before it becomes completely corrupted.

Indeed. Given that anything even vaguely anti-lockdown has until recently been excluded from the mainstream and characterised as crackpot, having a largeish group means it is much harder to ignore. With any luck they will get people used to the idea that there has been a huge overreaction and create the space for a more comprehensive winding back.

The underlying lessons may however never be learned.

Yes. Our MP was one of them. I wrote several times before the vote, as I’m sure many others did, reminding her that people will suffer or even die. She voted for it anyway.
Now she’s joined the ‘recovery group’. Is this hypocrisy, or what?

Not sure that renewing the covid act made much difference, aren’t the governments powers all coming from the much older public health act? Lord Sumption talks about it in his brilliant lecture

Lenin and Trotsky would have agreed that to make a successful revolution things have to get as bad as possible before launching one, that is why they disapproved of Social Democrats.

Peter Hitchens sums the situation up pefectly;

“The great American writer H. L. Mencken said that the proper relationship between newspapers and government was the same as that between a dog and a lamp-post. In fiction, the cinema and (to some extent) in real life, journalists uncover the wrongdoing of authority, and reveal the truth.
But in recent years a very strange thing has happened to my trade. More and more journalists seem happy to be the mouthpieces of government, or of political parties. Worse, they attack other journalists for refusing to fall into step with the official line.”

Because virtually the entire MSM have been bought by ongoing tsunamis of Covid propaganda advertising from HMG.

True but a great number have been bought for many years by Press barons who only tolerate views that are in their interests.

Today’s running order ( the sequence of the headlines , with the first two items being about Number 10) are just WRONG , paricularly with the BBC’s 09:00 news majoring on Labour’s proposal to make anti-vax views illegal .

I just saw the interview with the Shadow-whatever minister. Not a pleasant start to the morning. Dissent being threatened with cancelling – again!
Another mountain for the Free Speech Union to climb I fear.

Any of us can see what the BBC has to say, the first two items reflect the authors insider knowledge.

It is a distraction from the actual issues and it could be about as accurate as a PCR test.

It is a dictatorship of the elites.

I felt the same way, JustMe. Maybe Toby has sceptic-fatigue and has retreated to parliamentary gossip such as you can find anywhere in the media this morning. Disappointing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drPZiXn9G3k

It struck me that all that would have to be done to this music video to make it appropriate to the times is CGI a mask on all of the participants.

I’ve just happened upon this poem:

Much Madness is divinest Sense –
To a discerning Eye –
Much Sense – the starkest Madness –
’Tis the Majority
In this, as all, prevail –
Assent – and you are sane –
Demur – you’re straightway dangerous –
And handled with a Chain –

(Emily Dickinson)

Sometimes life gives us serendipitous gifts.
Let’s all keep demurring!

The story of the past year

Suggest reading it in full

https://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/68/fairy-tales-and-other-traditional-stories/5637/the-emperors-new-clothes/

Always thought the story goes some way to explaining modern art too.

Agreed – I can’t draw a stick man – always feel if I can look at something and think ‘I could do that’, then to me it can’t constitute art. A painting that has perspective and depth, light and shade, colours that I hadn’t noticed were there, or looks like it could be a photograph – something I couldn’t do in a million years – to me that’s art.
It’s purely subjective though – each to their own.

Is Piers Corbyn speaking in Newport today. If so what time and location

Doubt he’s out of clink yet.

Sky Sophy Ridge asking specifically statistical questions of the head of the ONS, who answers not in numbers but with his political point of view.
Why doesn’t everyone just stick to their day job?!

Tell James Forsyth in this week’s Spectator (Boris’s Booster Shot). Full of misleading government propaganda from the political editor.

The Spectator has been a huge, huge disappointment (JD and TY excepted)

They still publish articles from that creep Peston

Stopped my subscription in May

Yes like ‘statistician’ ferguson pontificating about government health policy.

Perhapis in order to keep his day job he is not allowed to do his day job.

Good article in the BMJ.
Was this the same BMJ that declined to publish the Danish Face Mask study?

No it was the Lancet amongst others.

If you’ve not seen Sucharit Bhakdi’s interview on Trigger Nometry https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE it’s definitely worth watching. Especially when asked if he’ll be taking a vaccine for C-19 (a bit fat no, do you think I’m crazy?).

But the future is very gloomy. Soon we won’t be able to travel, go to theatre, football or even a restaurant without our health passport (proof of vaccination, negative test etc.) and it won’t stop with C-19. Any semblance of a life worth living will be dependent on risking taking a vaccine that has more chance of harming you than C-19.

Very depressing Sunday morning.

I felt like that for a couple of days after the Pfzier announcement. But as the panic and excitement has subdued there has been much more balanced assessment this week. Especially the burn out numbers seen across Europe and in Liverpool. They can’t sustain it long enough. Also the BMJ article. Health professionals will not be forced to take the vax.

I hope you’re right…

I agree. The wheels are coming off. No way will the public put up with forced vaccination and health passports. It just won’t happen

I wouldn’t rely on the public to resist anything if the last 8 months are anything to go by.

That’s what worries me. A year ago, if you had said that the public would have acquiesced to such a degree, I would have not believed it. The enthusiasm with which people have squandered their essential liberty has been staggering.

My song suggestion back in April was I Predict a Riot . I really misjudged that …

When The Kaiser Chiefs did their zoom concert back in April it made me want to puke.

“I predict a riot” will never sound the same again. I predict a totally brainwashed cowardly supine obedient load of sheep to roll over and have their throats cut more like it.
Dicks.

I never liked them, I just thought that it might be an apt song but, as I say, I completely mis-judged how supine the British public would be.

Yes my faith in the public has long gone. The blitz spirit is long dead.

Not in my house it isn’t

See Liverpool demo yesterday…

Theatre Reception
” have you got your Health Passport please sir?”

‘I don’t need one young lady I’m a Health Professional’.

“Oh sorry sir, in you go then”.

Can’t see that working.

Here’s a scenario. A single doctor or nurse is being coerced and they become a lightening rod for the whole debate. I don’t think you’ll find many Karens being vocal about forcing that person to take a drug. Bring it on I say.

precisely – I can’t see that scenario working very well. I bet other ‘gov’ establishments will request avoidance from the vaccine eg army, civil serpants etc that will make it a joke. Also black market for fake nhs ids!!

so if health professional are not ‘forced’ to take the vaccine – they cannot force the general public either!
Personally i think the gov have demonstrated such incompetence in all this, that will extend to the vaccine and ongoing shots and passports etc (i hope!)

I remember when Dave Cullen had videos saying all that months ago and people on here berated him for being a conspiracy theorist! It seems that yesterday’s conspiracy theory is tomorrow’s ugly reality.

Yep. We have three obvious 77th Brigade trolls running hostile dogpiling ops over in the forums section right now, who all appeared as soon as the Pfizer Saviour Potion was announced, and a few sceptical threads dared to spring up.

All of them run with the false narrative accusation that people questioning the purpose, necessity, and efficacy of such a vaccine are full-on anti-vaxx idiot science deniers.

Nothing of obvious goodness or utility needs this level of psi-op information warfare. I conclude this whole thing is evil and not to be trusted.

Sorry to hear Hector Drummond has called time on the blog. It is an amazing source of info. Maybe Toby can reach out and ask his contributors to migrate to LS? It is of very high quality.

It was that site which highlighted ONS week 13 fewer all-deaths in London than the 5 year average which marked the end of the road for the Covid.

Hector suggested it in his last post.

Just got from a friend who is trying to get his local council to stop this nonsense:

“ Surely someone looks into the data at council level mind my mates a councillor and they get £6000 a year and to be honest not interested as I have tried talking to him and he isn’t prepared to pick up the mantle “

So take the money, do nothing.

All you puffed up with their own self importance.
My council decided it was worthwhile switching on the Xmas lights in the deserted High Street and Security barred Shopping Centre last week.

Always been a waste of money.

I have a friend (now ex friend) in the Local Council. He won’t speak out at all. I tackled him and he said he is ‘just performing the role of councillor’. So he is spending his time dealing with ‘anti social behaviour’ and bin collections whilst the country drifts into a dictatorship.

Anyone else doing video calls/conferencing and this from someone working from home?

Call opened, woman sitting there in bobble hat and dressing gown with her pyjamas underneath – this was the person from the company who was giving me the “glad you have the contract with us, look forward to working with you etc etc, we’re professional and expect you to be the same blah blah blah”.

I’m surprised that I managed to keep a straight face and not say something but I did get in “it must be cold down there in the South where you are, you have a woolly hat on” and she replied it is her security blanket as she’s not had her hair done in weeks and doesn’t want it on show but her nails were doing OK and she showed me them.

If I was back in my big boss days (glad I’m not and glad I worked mostly overseas in 3rd world remote back of beyond places no-one else wanted to go to and not in nampy-pampy touchy-feely UK/EU) she’d be getting a written warning for conduct unbecoming the company this morning.

We’ve always been a jeans & t-shirts kind of firm but we’d draw the line at appearing in a woolly hat, especially in front of customers or suppliers.

So far from what I have seen people have managed to actually get dressed in the morning

Hubby is a partner in a large law firm. One of the other partners had a zoom call with high profile government official in Middle East. Apparently he was lying on his sofa with an oversized washed out t-shirt and bagging trackie bottoms on!

the partner, that is, not the govt. official.

Deserves a disciplinary for that.

‘In Tim’s telling, the conflict between Dominic Cummings and Lee Cain on the one hand, and Allegra Stratton and Carrie Symonds on the other, is a battle for Boris’s soul. What kind of Prime Minister is he going to be?’

This is bizarre and absurd. Someone, for the love of all that is holy, help me out here. How the hell can there be a ‘conflict’ between those Johnson has hired as part of his team and his moronic bird, who *isn’t* part of his team (though unofficially the bint’s clearly a big player – what a pathetic and depressing sentence)?

I know Johnson’s an incompetent prat, and I know he’s too much of a wimp to keep his woman in line, but he isn’t running a burger van here. This isn’t a situation where his woman can suggest what type of sauce ought to be on offer for the customers to put on their burgers. Johnson’s supposed to be running the country.

This charlatan ought to be removed from office. He’s beyond a joke. And when the next Prime Minister is installed I don’t want to hear a bloody word from his/her girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband. I don’t even want to know their bloody name.

This stupidity/childishness has to stop. This isn’t The Only Way is Essex, or some other tedious, mind-numbing nonsense, where gossip and back-stabbing can replace rational government. Good grief.

It’s a joke but not uncommon. Were there not a lot of rumours about Trump being influenced by Melania and others in the family?

I’d be somewhat surprised if that were the case, but then there are very few real men running countries in the West. Look at Canada and the utter fairy pretending to run that country. Good grief. A bit of eyeshadow and it’s a woman! A more feminine heterosexual man I have not seen.

It’s symptomatic of the general decline of nations in the West.

Do let us know your recipe for ‘keeping a woman in line’?

Please see the context in which I made that comment, Sylvie,

Oh right, let me re-phrase that for you to give it your context: ‘ Do let us know your recipe for ‘keeping a moronic bint in line’?

Okay, so you’re dull-witted. I’m afraid you’re in the wrong place, dear.

FBI had quite a lot to do with the tragedy of ‘the tragic Waco siege’.

Wasn’t it more to do with the ATF?

Watching Marr, hoping the narrative is changing, that will be a no then. He’s had as a guest one of the only people to benefit from our current situation – Gordon Brown. He’s free to show his face again now that Johnson has ensured that he’s no longer the worse Prime Minister in living memory…… I’ve got March in the ‘when will Johnson be ditched’ sweepstake at work, beware the ides.

Cameron was worse than Brown and May worse than Cameron. Boris truly is at the bottom of a very inept pile.

The PM has to be the worst ever. To be fair to him, others given the same opportunity would have been as bad, but he has seized it with both hands. What other PM has waged war on his own people to such destructive effect?

Johnson is the worst. It’s not just lockdown. He’s reneged on almost everything. I voted for him, and hate myself for it. I’ll never vote for his party again either. Can’t stand the sight nor sound of him. Deep breath Ll-Rex…move on…relax.

Exactly how I feel…wonder if there are many of us? I no longer care if Labour get in (speaking as an ex Labour Party member). I dont see how they can be any worse than this lot. Its a shit show whoever gets in.

Does anyone have the picture of Bill Gates arriving at DS10 on Nov 10 wearing a mask?

Are Children Being Deprived of Real World, Physical Experiences?

If they are it’s the “parents” fault. I guess they aren’t “their” children after all…

As a parent trying to protect my children from the government and its collaborators it is easier said then done particularly as 99% of the British people seem to have transformed into hostile masked zombies who seem to be more then happy to throw children under the bus to try and save the mythical granny – well actually I doubt they care about anyone but themselves.

Of course they don’t – the government propaganda about the masks protecting others effectively just gave them a verbal mask so they could pretend they weren’t selfish

For instance if my mask protects me then it doesn’t matter if no one else is wearing one.If my mask doesn’t but you wearing one protects me then they make non masking anti social and ensure mass compliance and community self policing.Evil Genius.

Genius indeed. I also live now in a Plantation where mandatory use of mask (the law doesn’t specify which mask type it is, so I can use a carnival mask!) but I never wear one, and till today no other slave said anything. If one does I’ll just say “I’ve a small knife in my pocket. Do you want me to lend it to you so you can cut your wrists?”…

Those who wear them alone in their cars are really caring about others!

Many are also worried about their dog, out on a walk masked with not another human soul in sight…

Interesting claim of 11% SARS2-specific antibodies in Italy in September 2019:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0300891620974755?journalCode=tmja

We can only see the abstract unless we want to fork out $41.

It says “prospective lung cancer patients”, so maybe there is some selection bias– they might have had a cough or some reasons to think there was something wrong with their lungs.

If you find 11% in September 2019 (when there were no NPIs anyway, not that NPIs make much difference in most places), whatever that was an epidemic of, it would have been all over by December that year.

One can speculate that “Patient 0” for SARS2 might have been super-spreading his way around shops and public spaces towards the end of last year. But 11% antibodies is not the first sparks of something that might take a month or two to get going. It’s a raging inferno.

I suspect one of the other HCoVs and their test isn’t as specific as they think, or perhaps a mystery unknown HCoV (SARS 1.5) which is more closely related to SARS2.

No one cares about that!

No one cares that PCR is not a test!

No one cares that till this day there is still no scientific evidence that that piece of RNA is indeed an infectious viral particle, capable of causing a disease and eventually kill the weak host!

No one cares that the FAKE “tests” have primers 100% equal to Chromosome 8 of the animal Homo sapiens…

No one cares about the old folks & gals being murdered in the XXI century slaughter houses labelled “care homes”!

The HERD OF MORON SLAVES ONLY CARE about what does the STATE orders them to do. “WEAR A MASK/WASH HANDS/KEEP DISTANCE/TAKE THE JAB”

So… yeah! Good luck with that.

Guy, we discussed ‘SARS 1.5’ a few months ago after the Spanish study implied SARS 2 was in waste water off the coast of Barcelona in March 2019. My theory then, and now is that there was a widely circulating ‘SARS 1.5’ in Beijing and/or Shanghai in Q1 2019, and it arrived in Spain (and possibly elsewhere) as a result of international conferences and tourism. The Chinese authorities knew about this, and set to work trying to develop a vaccine in its top lab (Wuhan) with the view it would be ready for the Chinese winter in Q3/Q4 2019. The vaccine was related to SARS 1.5. Somehow it got out as the mutated SARS 2 – there is conjecture whether SARS 2 has 4 HIV-type inserts with scientific arguments on both sides. SARS 1.5 causes a pretty nasty cough, but little else. SARS 2 has a wider set of afflictions, some of which are deadly in certain age groups and co-morbidities.

SARS1.5 is an interesting possibility. If it was endemic it would also account for some of the cross immunity. But wouldn’t we have found it by now? Well possibly not as it might be at low levels.

Most ways of making vaccines do not have any way of botching them in such a way that you end up with a new viable virus. It could happen though with an attenuated live virus vaccine.

I’ve looked at the retracted HIV paper and didn’t find it at all convincing. But anyway, the genetically engineered vaccines for SARS2 are all pure mRNA or modified adenoviruses, not themselves coronaviruses at all or anything resembling them.

How Prevalent is Long Covid?

So… “Long COVID”?! Really?!

Just say Long DEMENTIA…

What we should ALL be worried about is “Long Pfizer”.

It seems to be more “Long Pharma”… Pfizer is just a gang taking huge advantage from this entire OPERATION. The CEO just made a quick USD 6 million last day!

Let me get this straight. Liverpool (riddled with the virus) tested 44,000 people and had 220 positive returns. At the same time we’re supposed to believe there were 33,000 positive tests across the country in one day.

If the positivity (% of people testing positive) is the same and both test types are valid (if they’re not then why are they continuing to run the tests? – rhetorical) then that would mean that 6 million people would have needed to be tested to produce the daily 33,000 positives. (33,000 divided by 220/44000).

6 million people were not tested in one day so either one or both of the tests are invalid (false positives, false negatives, not fit for purpose) or someone is just making the numbers up. My bet is on all of the above.

Why can’t our “esteemed” mainstream media join some dots up and ask, what are, pretty obvious questions?

Perhaps they’re using the same software as in the US election – you know, the software that switches numbers from one column to another at the touch of a button, putting them where they’re needed for maximum effect.

You’re right though. I’ve been thinking for some time that any figures could be made up, just for effect, and how would we know that they’re genuine?

My bet is that they will abandon the lateral flow tests, arguing that they are not sensitive enough.

Abandon the moonshot? What, like a u-turn you mean? Surely not! When was the last time Bagpuss did a u-turn? OK, last week…

https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1327684264977117185

Mike Yeardon had a thread on abandoning PCR altogether last night. It would absolutely be over if we did that.

Thanks for sharing. He says “When 60,000 ‘pregnancy-style’ tests in Liverpool, UK’s hotspot, show us there’s no virus in the city, the media just misses it & moves on. I’ve reviewed the spec. These are very sensitive tests. False negatives are relevant only at high virus prevalence.” Basically stop PCR testing and the virus goes away.

Indeed, or measure the impact of the virus by looking at all-cause mortality stats compared to past years, and see that there is nothing much to see at present

They are innumerate.

You don’t need to be numerate to do that sniff test, just awake, or interested…

If you want to respond to the BMJ article you can use the form on this page:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425/submit-a-rapid-response

I’ve put in my tuppence worth.

This well worth a watch. Pfizer 90% efficacy my arse!

https://twitter.com/SueC00K/status/1327900689041928198?s=19

New article from Russia about T cells immunity

https://www.cell.com/immunity/fulltext/S1074-7613(20)30469-6?dgcid=raven_jbs_aip_email

SARS-CoV-2 epitopes are recognized by a public and diverse repertoire of human T cell receptors

“We assessed antibody and T cell reactivity in convalescent COVID-19 patients and healthy donors sampled both prior to and during the pandemic. Healthy donors examined during the pandemic exhibited increased numbers of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells, but no humoral response. Their probable exposure to the virus resulted in either asymptomatic infection without antibody secretion, or activation of pre-existing immunity”

New Moon = new beginnings. It’s another big one!
Below is part of Margaret Koolman’s take on things. She’s a Western Astrologer, rather than Jyotisher but definitely a good one. You might find it gives some helpful perspective.

Scorpio New Moon – 14/15 November 2020
‘A powerful frequency-raising mind is the greatest immunity to all that life may throw at us.’
This New Moon in Scorpio directs us to get to grips with exactly how things are, what’s going on under the surface of our lives, the deeper currents at work, and how they are affecting our outer experience (Sun/Moon sextile Pluto/Jupiter). We have just been through the culmination week of the huge wave of experience from early January onwards. And this wave is the culmination of other waves from 2007 (Jupiter over Pluto last), 2000 (Jupiter over Saturn last), 1983 (Saturn over Pluto last), and 1285 since all three were together (that happened to be at the end of Capricorn too). This ending has been rolling towards us all year, and doesn’t really complete until 21 December.  I’m laying out one way of viewing the process below here:

…. We have looked deeply at fear of being fatally ill and losing our family and friends versus fear of losing our livelihoods and our freedom of choice. It seems probable that the hype stretched far beyond the facts. Our perspective on all these things is determined by our beliefs and habits of thought, and we have become fiercely entrenched in our own views, battling with ideas and neighbours, creating only discomfort, and us-and-them scenarios (Mars through Aries since late June and retrograde from early September ).

During September and October there was an increase of intensity about whatever issues have been uppermost for each of us, a sense of preparing our positions for an all-out attack on circumstances (as Jupiter moves forward over the Capricorn ground he trawled through before).

This week, at last, the dam is burst, the river is flowing, the results of the January shock/fear pandemic are upon us, and will continue to unroll inexorably. (I hesitate to mention the US election . . . ) (This week Jupiter crossed 22 Capricorn for the last time meeting Pluto at the same point, and Mars turned direct the day before this New Moon in Scorpio.)

This week has been the opportunity to experience our personal results from the strangest year the ‘civilised’ world we know has seen, to recognise what deep changes need to be made by each one of us in our own lives. It’s how we are with ourselves, and the world we picture around us, that determines what we get in future. Not that we consciously change the outside, but that our relationship with it is our real experience.

So now is the time to register what may have risen from your own depths, waiting there as pockets of emotional memory, or conditioning we have assumed to be true and now find is inappropriate and blocking our future growth and unfolding. Register what’s there, examine it with interest, not to find fault but to learn from old errors, so that, when situations appear to repeat, we are able to manage them with the learning we have achieved through all our years of experience.

http://www.soulastrology.com

I have been re-kindling my enthusiasm for buying Chinese crap from Banggood. China suddenly became extra evil to me back in March and I stopped browsing through the stuff they sell.
Anyway In the last couple of days I was looking a 12 volt Ultra Violet lighting for the solar powered disco van. I found a few UV torches. Then I started thinking about scorpions and how they glow under UV. I started wondering where I could go to see scorpions glowing under UV. I started really thinking about scorpions.

Funny that….

Try the railway sidings and stations in Kent. Scorpions (the tiny, real, venomous ones) are endemic to Kent.

wow that’s interesting

Imagine it is twelve month ago and you are going about your everyday life as it once was before everything changed. One day you are shocked when someone dressed in full PPE gear turns up at your workplace.

They say; “I’ve been instructed by the government to test you for influenza”

You say; “Are you nuts? I don’t have flu! I don’t even have a cold. I know people who have had flu and they couldn’t get out of bed for days”

They say; “Ah, but this test is extremely sensitive, it can show us if you might have even the tiniest fragment of material that we think might have come from an influenza virus.”

You say; “But I’m not ill, I don’t have a sore throat, I don’t have a runny nose, I don’t have a temperature, I feel absolutely fine.”

They say; “Yes, we have found that around 80% of people who have a positive result with this test never have any symptoms at all. But even though we don’t yet have any proof, we think that it might be theoretically possible for someone who has no visible signs of illness to inadvertently make a vulnerable person very ill.”

You say; “Are you trying to tell me that all these years I could have been spreading disease to other people even when I’ve felt perfectly healthy?”

They say; “We don’t really know that but it’s an evolving science and haven’t you heard of the precautionary principle? Anyway, it is now a condition of your employment that you submit to testing on an annual basis.”

You say; “Well I’m not at all happy about this but I guess I don’t have a choice because I love my job and I can’t afford not to work,”

Two days later you receive a telephone call.

They say; “The test results are positive, you must immediately isolate yourself for 14 days.”

You say; “But that’s insane, I feel perfectly ok. It’s my birthday at the weekend, I’ve got a party organised for all my friends and next week we’ve got a holiday booked.”

They say; “I’m afraid you will have to cancel all that, you must isolate yourself from everybody in case you are infectious. Imagine how you would feel if you made someone really ill by having contact with them.”

You say; “But I had this test on Wednesday, what’s to say it wouldn’t have been positive if you’d tested me on Monday when I was still interacting with people, or a fortnight ago, or in August?”

They say; “Oh but we wouldn’t test people for influenza in the summer because everyone knows that flu is a winter disease.”

You say; “But have you ever tried using this test in the summer and seeing if you get any positive results as that might be a good way of finding out if the test results have any validity?”

They say; “Don’t worry about that, there are plenty more tests in development. In fact next summer we will be rolling out a nationwide screening programme to look for asymptomatic polio.”

You say; “WTAF and put the phone down.”

Hello.

Yesterday my next-door neighbour died and I posted about it here and received many replies and comments. I’ve read through all your replies many times over and found them very comforting and encouraging.

As so often in these days, words seem inadequate to express our emotions and feelings – so I’ll simply say

“Thank you”, a thank you that comes from the bottom of my heart.

I am also moved by the response to my plea to stop the rot, to turn it around, as regards the growing expressions of hatred towards the police, who are not, or should not be, a faceless mass – but a collection of individuals most of whom are well motivated for the common good – yet are being used by their superiors and subject to truly appalling stress.

It’s the people in positions of political power who are creating division and hatred deliberately – direct your fury to them, cold, white, powerful and effective fury against those who are knowingly destroying our society.

I didn’t respond yesterday, partly because I was so in shock in reading your story. Our thoughts are with you Rosie and pleased to see you back here this morning, it must be a very difficult time for you.

Many thanks watashi and davews, much appreciated I assure you.

I doubt if I’ll be here for long today – but it’s that complete anger, not a strong enough word – fury – with those who are doing this to us. Cold white fury that really kicked in for me at the beginning of Lockdown2.

For me personally, it’s also that peculiar advantage we now find ourselves with, those of us with deep-rooted PTSD – and there seem to be many here – we can switch between one mode and another, and be simultaneously extremely unhappy, even heart-broken, but also able to work in an intellectual manner. In fact sometimes I do both at the same time, sitting here at my computer in tears but you’d never guess.

I felt like you davews – all the other comments were so moving, I didn’t feel I could add anything.
I hope that the support does help in some small way Rosie – you are a very strong person, and you will come through even stronger. x

Thanks again, CGL and Wendyk. Without doubt the comments help, and yes it’s an odd thing, to sense myself getting stronger as the weeks and months go by.

I’ll be asking about the funeral, will report back in due course..

Hi Rosie,
I`m so sorry to hear about the death of your next door neighbour.
I hope you have people close who can offer company or comfort.
I really appreciate everything you put up on here, thank you for
all your hard work and all the encouragement. Sending hugs.

I hope your late neighbour will receive a decent funeral Rosie, given the many constraints now in force.

Not sure if this has been noted:

Dr Michael Yeadon sent a letter to Hancock
expressing his extreme concern about using an experimental vaccine in
this way.

https://mattbell.org/only-informed-consent-should-be-given-to-experimental-vacci
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Great idea, bang goes handy cocks ‘I never knew defence’

So has his ‘ I was only following the science’ after the BMJ bomb.

So has Blair’s “I genuinely believed” excuse. Too many people speaking out and the facts are in the open.

Actually, Blair’s excuse was: “I only know what I believe.” The very definition of madness.

I just threw up. Thanks Steve for reminding me! We should never forget.

I wonder if he had a reply.

On Sky News’ Sophie Ridge programme this morning the first interviewee was the National Statistician. The interview was revealing and depressing. The holder of this office is Professor Ian Diamond. He is in charge of the Office of National Statistics. Yet when interviewed by Sophie, he sounded more like a government spokesperson than the nation’s statistician. For instance when asked about the level of compliance with the coronavirus rules, he said that face mask wearing is ninety-five percent, which is fine, but he then went on to say that five percent not wearing them was a large number and “we” needed to get that down. He also had the audacity to pretend that the government have been using statistics in an open and transparent way that enabled the public to see why regulations are necessary. This is just one more example of the groupthink that lies at the heart of the government’s responses to the virus.

utter tosh, they have cherry picked stats and presented them with no context to further this agenda.

They have done worse than cherry pick data. They are represented the outcomes of computer models as data.

Like the CDC in the U.S.A.

How do you think he got the job in the first place?

He was unconvincing. I’ve seem him being interviewed before – he is no less convincing now than he was then. He is likely Common Purpose, and is a former university VC, with a ‘scandal’ on his record over his remuneration at University of Aberdeen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Diamond

Off-topic I know but I know some of you are following interested – A friend in the US sent me this – rumours are it’s the “before” inedited data from these seized servers.

We’ll see when the dust settles.

I would love it if that turned out to be true, not that I care who the president is but if it showed to the masses just how corrupt the world is.

I would agree tha Democrats and Republicans are usually two sides of the same coin but Trump is the nearest we have to a sceptic world leader while Biden is maskervator in chief.
US Presidents can be a lot more radical and independent in their second term as they have no third term to lose.

Great stuff AG; let’s hope that all will be revealed.

From the official Whitehouse website from September 2020:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

Accordingly, I hereby order:

Section 1. (a) Not later than 45 days after the conclusion of a United States election, the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the heads of any other appropriate executive departments and agencies (agencies), shall conduct an assessment of any information indicating that a foreign government, or any person acting as an agent of or on behalf of a foreign government, has acted with the intent or purpose of interfering in that election. The assessment shall identify, to the maximum extent ascertainable, the nature of any foreign interference and any methods employed to execute it, the persons involved, and the foreign government or governments that authorized, directed, sponsored, or supported it. The Director of National Intelligence shall deliver this assessment and appropriate supporting information to the President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Was the fraud allowed to go ahead just so investigations and arrests could be made?

Ah, if only. Although him winning RI seems a bit implausible.

And California, always blue

I know the answer to this one – majority of the population live in the cities and are left leaning and a bit drippy hippy.

The rest of the state is rural and farming and so on and are middle of the road and just leave us alone to get on with things and don’t take too much tax manual workers but outnumbered see and up outvoted.

It was interesting to see the state a while back drawn up county by county and you could see the difference between city and rural quite clearly.

Wouldn’t rush back to the place though except to do a bit more exploring on the Queen Mary at Long Beach and do the Pacific Coast Highway on a motorbike from Malibu to San Fransisco and maybe the giant redwoods (but hideously expensive) national park.

LA, Hollywood etc – it’s a dump.

The roads out to Nevada especially via Death Valley and up towards Reno a lot more interesting.

I drove down the Pacific Coast Highway from San Francisco to Los Angeles in 1984. Magnificent. You should have gone to Baja.

As many are aware, the climate change scam is older than the covid scam but in practice amounts to the same thing. Total lies in the name of ‘the science’ plus altering statistics and data, plus destroying the career of anyone who speaks the truth. The goals of all this are exactly the same, imposition of totalitarianism and deliberate impoverishment, etc etc. Same stuff, slightly different story.

‘carbon zero’ is still being driven through, and even when we defeat the covid agenda & brainwashing, we still have to defeat the climate change one.

So please be sure to make your views heard here:

https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/A464RU/ 

and tell MPs what you think about the Climate Assembly’s recommendations for net-zero emissions. More letters, more complaints, keep telling them that we know their game. Most MPs are completely brainwashed themselves on climate change and believe it to be true – educate them.

Anyone who doesn’t realise by now that the Covid scam is being used as a cover for zero carbon policies is not paying attention.This act of lunacy is enshrined in law by Theresa May.
2050 is the target date but there are milestones that must be met along the way.
Johnson is rumoured to be announcing the bringing forward of banning the internal combustion engine in new cars to 2030.As there is no hope of increasing National Grid capacity to meet the needs of millions of Eletric cars the logical result is millions of people being forced out of their cars.

It’s already 2030. The rumours are bringing it forward to 2025.

Local council round here (Bromley) reducing the size of the roads and deliberately creating bottlenecks – I can’t keep up but my neighbours are complaining like mad.

Complete this
https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/A464RU/

Johnson as mayor made it law for all London taxis to be zero emission by 2018.He also instituted cycle lanes which have caused mass gridlock.This was all pre Carrie.
He’s always been a green enthusiast.

Yes, article in Daily Telegraph 10 years ago about his friendship with Piers Corbyn, well it might well have been back then – but even then he is claiming that he understands the climate better than Piers, and was able to get away with that claim, so powerful already was that particular agenda.

Madness, isn’t it?

Not madness but deliberate destruction – it’s bad not mad, malign.

Yes. You’re right. I stand corrected, and the “madness” descriptor lets the Inner Party off the hook.

Indeed, and feeds their cover, them trying to make out it’s incompetence and stupidity when it’s nothing of the sort.

What a disaster. Plebs, shut up. Don’t travel. Don’t own anything. Don’t sing, dance, drink, fornicate, eat well. “I own nothing and am a slave and I’m happy”

Now you can see the importance of the control grid.The public won’t stand for the green revolution but dissent will be almost impossible.
Lockdowns are destroying the independence of millions of people and making them dependent on the state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0vvDg8HYO4
The Old Guys theme song.

On the climate topic, I did a search on Naomi Siebt at the beginning of November, and found that her details included that she was a climate change denier:-
“Naomi Seibt is a German climate change denier. Until April 2020, she was employed by the Heartland Institute, an American conservative and right-wing public policy think tank that marketed her as the “anti-Greta”. She has been a speaker at multiple events organized by conservative think tanks. Wikipedia “

I sent some feedback on their form and received the confirmation email:-

“Thank you for submitting feedback for Naomi Seibt. We will send you an update if this suggestion is accepted.
Here’s what you suggested for Naomi Seibt:
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She does not deny climate change – she states that climate change has been happening constantly but is only marginally affected by humans”

It’s still there funnily enough. Anyone else have a go?

Send them a link to Mark Windows Windows on the World.

Great video illustrating just how effective masks are (not):

https://t.co/ppQEvwqefu

One of the peculiarities for those working on the front line during this new era is for the first time we see the faces of those who in the past we only knew the names of from their ” important clinical updates.” Some of them had been colleagues I had known a few decades ago and the first reaction is how the years march on

During these video updates to local medics which are delivered with a style reminicent of a ” hostage video ” we are told really very questionable information. I can see from my computer records that most of the PCR covd + cases locally have a connection to a health care setting , yet the local public health honcho drones on about community spread and pubs.

When the public health doctors go back in the future to what they usually do ie closing curry houses after an episode of campylo bacter and investigating smells on ward 4 , they need to reflect on their role in this pantomine.

If only they did investigate the smell on ward 4. It is obvious to any of us who have been visitors in recent years that hospitals are nowhere near as clean as they should be.

This is a direct result of the misguided and disastrous decision to privatise cleaning services in the 90s; I witnessed it at first hand.

The cleaning staff, who were on the NHS Whitley Scale with decent working conditions and pensions,were transferred to outfits like Securicor more or less overnight.

Most left,to be replaced by casual workers on zero hours contracts and poverty wages.

Hospitals are now increasingly dirty, poorly ventilated and over reliant on antibiotics.

Hospital used to have their own smell.We have been through this before with MRSA and still nothing changes.

Agree. The outsourcing was corrupt in every manner. Set against competence and high standards and pro the draining of funds from tax-payer to Capita and all those types of organisation. In almost every area of life, from quality to grim. Ref Croydon Council going bankrupt, for example.

Do hospitals claim to be 100% germ free?.

Dear Princess Nut Nut

‘How do you make something that never existed go away?’

There once was a PM named Johnson,
Who somehow could not keep his pants on.
He’s engaged to Carrie,
She’s not one to tarry-
Now who wears the trousers, not Johnson.

If you were secretly planning to deploy a placebo vaccine, how could you make it really convincing that it was the real deal? Something that’s so expensive and difficult to arrange that no one would surely use it if they didn’t have to.

Also, at the same time, could you do something that makes analysing it independently much more difficult?

Refrigeration at -80 degrees..?

It’s simple, you just send out the order to only do PCR tests at 25 cycles or less and voila, no positives anymore.

Yes.

To those who say the government blundered and doesn’t know how to get itself out of this situation, that is the easiest thing to do, since the public doesn’t understand the PCR anyway.

Problem is it also then means why bother with a vaccine? If there’s no positives out there anymore unless you tried to force vaccination on a whole population over a single weekend, they’re really going to struggle to convince people.

Because the vaccine is the gateway to the health passport.Combined with the digital currency it is the end of freedom.

Sadly and most alarmingly it appears that way.

Hi ShropshireLass
You’re from the Daily Telegraph, right?
We’ve exchanged comments there before – I’m Rosie Langridge and good to see you here.

Hi Rosie, No, I’m not from the Daily Telegraph! I am a retired researcher, currently doing a third (science based) degree – to keep the little grey cells active. Immediate family members are in 2 different medical professions. I caught the virus early in January whilst working with some students just arrived from Wuhan and started researching it then, before the whole thing kicked off and was immediately sceptical of a) the danger the virus posed and b) the official reactions to it (excluding Sweden of course). Even though I am disabled and supposedly vulnerable, I have had worse colds than the symptoms I got from the virus. Doing research for my degree I of course see links to articles on SARS-CoV-2 in the process. I saw Toby’s early article in the Telegraph in the college library and emailed him commending him for his sensible, intelligent, informed and logical article. He emailed back thanking me and saying he was setting up a website with newsletter so when it was up and running I joined. So glad I did. Most of my friends and former work colleagues have been completely brainwashed by the government and media propaganda. Luckily my former work boss is a LS (though doesn’t subscribe to the site) and so are 2 of my former colleagues – both retired too from medical / scientific positions respectively, so at least I can have sensible conversations with those 3.

But I think that’s missing the point.

The hypothesis is that the government has confected a crisis out of a non-crisis. Maybe they were following orders from Klaus Schwab, or maybe they just panicked and did what everybody else did. Either way, they need to move on to the ‘next stage’. In the former case, KS wants the world to have health passports and in the latter case, the government wants to extricate itself from the mess it’s in and yet maintain the faith of the voters.

A placebo vaccine fits the bill in both instances. It assumes that (a) the virus never was a great threat and has already gone away and/or settled into the background of our lives – or it never existed, and (b) that the aim of the vaccine is not to kill us selectively nor implant microchips. The vaccine is just theatre. But there has to be a ‘vaccine’ in the near future.

The major problem is that a real vaccine takes years to develop and potentially has side effects. This presents very great difficulties with regard to damages and insurance and so on, and may threaten the take-up of the vaccine. It could also shake faith in the government and the take-up of future vaccines, even if vaccination is made de facto mandatory.

So a placebo it is. The drug companies must be ‘in on it’, and legislation must be passed, effectively banning any discussion/tests/analysis/speculation about the vaccine. A blanket ban on ‘anti-vax fake information’ will do it.

The refrigeration requirement is just a nice touch, which makes it seem deadly serious and also invalidates the unused vaccine days after it is released into the wild. Thus, if subsequent analysis shows it to have no active capabilities at all, well that’s just because it wasn’t kept at -80 degrees.

Some downvotes… Am I to take it that people in general are hostile to the idea that the vaccine will be a placebo..? Determined to see the vaccine in the very worst light? Rather than it just being a con to get us to use ‘digital health passports’?

Not hostile to the idea. It’s a scam that I have thought they may run.
But they will very likely get found out, if they do.
Just needs one lab to get hold of a vaccine sample and run a few tests…

Barney McGrew – I thought you made some very good points in the above comment. You only had a single negative vote. I wonder if the person who made it will explain why?

You would still get false positives – no test is 100% accurate and false results depend on quite a few factors, not just the number of cycles. Contamination is a particular problem – especially as the test is so sensitive and requires very specific and stringent environmental, storage, administration and testing protocols in bio-secure conditions and be carried out by highly trained medical personnel. None of which apply in community testing situations, for which the PCR test was never designed. It was designed as an initial screening tool where symptoms were apparent and indicative of the POTENTIAL presence of a disease, but which would require diagnostic tests and confirmation by an attendant physician to confirm.

Toby writes today that Johnson and Sunak have been calling Conservative Party business supporters claiming that they were bounced into this second lockdown owing to bogus data, and then goes on to say that he (Toby) doesn’t believe this, but that Johnson knew full well the data didn’t support a new lockdown and is looking to avoid the blame.

Toby’s hunch is surely correct: if Johnson really does believe he was fed bogus data he should – would – have summarily sacked Whitty and Vallance. They are still in post.

Sage are independent? So I’m not sure he can sack them, but he could certainly terminate any association with them?

No, sage is a government advisory committee. And Vallance and Whitty are civil servants, on the committee as part of their job.

SagE are voluntary advisors but the posts of CMO and CSO do not fall into that category, if my understanding is correct. If they were sacked (W&V) then everything that they have said would be open to question by the masses- I don’t think Bozo will risk that. They have him over a barrel. Pushing the other duo out creates a useful distraction, as does the vaccine chat, imo.

Sooner or later, Johnson is going to seek to pass the blame to someone – those two (V&W) are ideal candidates. They’ve probably got lots of stuff on him mind you.

Later, I would expect.

dePiffle is a narcissist. He’s programmed to deny accountability and blame-shift. 100% certainty.

What about Matt Hancock?

He has his uses – one mainly: Fall Guy.

The members of S.A.G.E. are not very sagacious.

Well he can surely sack them in effect – if he said he had no confidence in them they’d have to go.

In the good old days they could have expected a trip to Tower Hill, or at least a stint in the Tower.

Independent ha. 7 out of 10 Pharma companies would disagree

There was an article in the Telegraph by Iain Duncan Smith back in Sept/Oct when Vallance produced the first apocalyptic ‘scenario’ (not the 4,000 deaths, the one before), and he stated in that article that all appointments to SAGE are by Whitty.

Yes. I remember that – wasn’t it Vallance and Whitty? I was astonished.

And why doesn’t he end the lockdown if he’s aware it’s based on false data.
More spin along the lines of Boris is just a libertarian sort of guy.

Yes, the more you look at it, the murkier it gets.

I know it’s slightly off-topic, but how depressing to see rugby players taking the knee. And well done Ben Earl, Billy Vunipola and Henry Slade for refusing.

Indeed it is depressing.

Personally, I won’t use the term “take the knee” as we have a perfectly good English word for it in “genuflect”, which is loaded with connotations of deference and servility. I encourage all to do likewise – play them at their own game and regain control of language.

I will from now on. There’s another sport I used to enjoy watching (cricket being the other one) that I cannot watch anymore.

The prequel to masks then

It is absolutely depressing, and a major part of the reason I just don’t watch sport any more.

Though it’s encouraging to hear of some individuals pushing back by refusing to conform,(there was almost none of that in the early days).

By the way, absolutely no reason to apologise for being “off topic” when you post about woke nonsense on the blog of a person who has an entire section devoted to and titled: “woke nonsense”. Personally, I don’t feel any need to concede anything to self-appointed topic police.

I don’t know what the term would be for a 3-sided coin …. but ‘climate change’, Woke and covid/lockdown are opposite sides of that same coin. All for the same purpose, all from the same places, all for the purpose of destruction and enslavement.

Maybe they are genuflecting for the 15 black business owners killed by BLM rioters this summer…but somehow I doubt it. A former armed robber and career hard drug user is a much more worthy martyr.

I was up in the early hours wondering if I could actually survive another year of this. At this rate or even worse I might have one bad day too much.

And if universities could ever actually get back to normal, even if everything else did given their religious fundamentalist-like institutional zealotry.

Yes you can survive it, if that’s what you want. But you can decide what is best for you and what your immediate priorities are . Better to bend than break. I can’t recall whether you are in your final year?

Be a bit selfish. Right now you need to get what you need from University. The bigger questions about their futures as institution are secondary.

I am in my final year yes.

I haven’t had a good night’s sleep for weeks. I am back on the painkillers I spent a year stopping because I cannot get a hip replacement even if I pay as the NHS has commandeered private facilities, even though they aren’t using them. I feel one accident or crisis away from a culling death home. I hate many of my fellow human beings for condoning this and then blaming us for what is just seasonal flu. If something is going to happen (the Great Reset) surely it would be kinder to just do it and stop choking us into submission and killing the sick and the old? I would have to be dragged from my home before accepting a vaccine.

Off topic again – browsing via Japan today, not one single mask advert on the page.

When using a UK server this morning 4 out of the 6 adverts at the bottom of the update were for masks of some sort.

Will have to learn to read Japanese to see what they are selling.

I could assist with any Japanese translation you want doing AG

Hmm – how about translating some of Reiner Fuellmich’s work into Japanese? They are in the process of getting word out globally and need translators. I’ve the contacts, or go direct.
This is me, https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

or Fuellmich directly you should be able to find.

The more this gets global coverage, the quicker and better word gets out and creates a momentum – the faster we can turn this whole agenda around. If anyone wants to join the translation team then please contact me, I’m in touch with other people doing this task, which is huge as German is a difficult language, so getting this technical stuff into English is tough enough.

I`m not Japanese, so Japanese -English is more my cup of tea.
Though if I had more time on my hands it is certainly something I would consider. Thank you Rosie.

Might take you up on that kind offer one day – when I see an interesting advert photo I don’t understand will post link.

“ Worth reading in full .”

… is the tag to one of the items about the squabbling juveniles in No. 10.

Here’s the News : it isn’t. The whole story is incredibly predictable and boring – and a distraction from the fact that these tossers, collectively, have screwed up the nation big-time, and that they are a disease far worse than Covid.

Yes, this soap opera should be of no interest to those of us against lockdown.

Well imo it ought to be, since it is about the internal workings of the main actual decision making group on lockdown and related policies. You can ignore it if you want, but it (they) won’t ignore you.

Agree we are being ruled by a cabal.The internal machinations of this group are extremely relevant.
The days of ministers being held to account by Parliament and a free press are over and any discord within this group is welcome and normally a sign that things are going wrong.

Even if that were the case, who is to say that any of this is even true? If Toby’s sources are to be believed, a couple of weeks ago Boris Johnson decided to lock the whole country down because he was worried about a few hospitals in Yorkshire being overwhelmed. Now it is all about some drama with ‘Dom’.

Just browsing Medscape, which is very pro official narrative. There was a pretty crazy article making out Covid was almost as bad as Spanish flu with 2 excellent comments. Then I came across this “ Yet many physicians, nurses, and other healthcare workers share the public’s skepticism about the safety and effectiveness of a vaccine that receives swift US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for emergency use. About half of nurses (47%) and almost 1 in 3 physicians (30%) say that they don’t want to get the vaccine when it first becomes available or that they’re unsure about vaccination, according to a Medscape survey “

This is such an excellent piece about psychiatrist Peter Breggin’s work exposing the Fauci-Wuhan connection and the mechanism of “fear appeal”:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/15/how-is-fear-appeal-used-in-public-health-messaging.aspx

I particularly liked this definition of ‘Technocracy’ as it’s clear and succinct; more accurate than The Great Reset or New World Order, or such, and thus useful for communicating to others, which is always uppermost in my mind, especially after discovering most of my erstwhile American friends have drunk the kool-aid:

Technocracy is an economic system in which the world is ruled not by democratically elected politicians but by technocrats — a conglomerate of ultra-wealthy elites, scientists and technicians whose aim is to rule the global population and the allocation of resources through the use of technology.

While at Surrey University I read his book ‘Toxic Psychiatry’.

I read it while doing research into anti-depressants, an excellent, though depressing book.

A similar cracking and eye opening read is “The anatomy of an epidemic” by investigative journalist Robert Whitaker.

Thanks for the tip; another one for my list.

Is the author referring to the current or a previous epidemic in this book?

A message to all companies who virtue signal and use this hoax we are going through in their advertising. The only problem with using this site as a platform is that these people are unlikely to be on a sceptic forum!. I will not buy anything from a shop that has muzzled up mannequins in their windows. I will not buy anything from a business that mentions anything about Convid or uses that nauseating phrase of ‘stay safe’. The issue with this is that I am finding less and less places that I can spend any money. I mentioned once before my visceral hatred of masks, I extend this visceral hatred now to ANYTHING which is even remotely connected to the biggest hoax in our life time.

Jab jingle suggestion -Turn round and bend over

Dusseldorf lifts masks mandate after legal challenge

https://www.thelocal.de/20201109/dsseldorf-forced-to-lift-face-mask-rule-after-court-ruling?fbclid=IwAR3cQZCbsJyer8mE9sXSuJrt1zvkpcjAMsHoALBN3EmAkla0MGqKO_IiLKw

From reading the link, it appears that the court ruled against the mask mandate because it lacks the specificity required to enable people to know whether or not they are in compliance. This does of course leave it entirely open to the lockdownistas to simply re-draft their rules.

Yesterday, much debate about the degree of order in the apparent chaos – I don’t want to revisit that in this post, but this specific question: is there a long term process of deliberate corruption of our institutions?

Answer: yes. It’s fully documented and well understood, but is one of those many factual things that has been smeared and suppressed by the MSM, using all their usual adhoms, twisting of words/meaning and smearing etc.

This agenda has a ‘philosophy’ of sorts(“Critical Theory”) and it was initiated by people now long dead, but picked up a momentum of its own by having been introduced into institutions, deliberately for that long-term reason.

So this is something that is separate from financial fraud and monetary corruption, it’s a deliberate moral/ethical/cultural corruption. The instigators are the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism and an Italian named Antonio Gramsci. You’ll find plenty about the latter on a quick internet search. The term ‘The long march through the institutions’ comes from here and it’s absolutely real, deliberate and done purposely. Common Purpose is used to introduce the moral corruption as well as financial corruption.

This too is where the ‘antisemitic’ meme comes in, and much feeding of conspiracy theories (genuinely crazy ones), because it is unfortunately a fact that there were many of that cultural heritage who originally established the Frankfurt School. That I believe we should put to one side and look not at the background of individuals involved, but at the ideas they held and promoted, and the devastation those ideas have caused. This is what we witness today.

Earlier this year I was collecting together the material. I would have spent a lot more time on this page had lockdowns not continued, but it’s still worth looking at for anyone who wants to look further at this matter, with some important references.

https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/the-conflict-of-ideas

Interesting topic. It’s a very difficult one to unpick. Too many on the right have got it into their heads that such theories are just communism. I studied it at university in some modules and found it an excellent lens through which to view certain issues, especially the concept of power.

However, I am well aware of the gobbledegook element to it as well. It’s overreach. But it does reflect the inadequacy of language to fully relate to reality. All we have are approximations and analogy in many ways. The map is not the territory.

I enjoy the philosophy of it all. Can be mind melting at times but I enjoy that

“ Too many on the right have got it into their heads that such theories are just communism.”

Yes – it’s a one-eyed denial tactic that is inaccurate. A sort of comfort blanket that tries to insulate the right from authoritarian tendencies, when we know that police states come from both the extreme right and extreme left. Remember in modern times, for instance, Thatcher protected Pinochet, who was a totalitarian out of the Chicago free-market school.

Totalitarianism is totalitarianism, and police states are sui generis.

The current situation here, by definition, comes out of the right, and references to the Frankfurt School and ‘cultural marxism’ have little to do with it. Trying to fit circumstances to pre-defined ideological boxes is a waste of space.

police states are sui generis

I am puzzled by this claim. Surely the most fundamental thing about police states is their similarities rather than their differences?

You’re not allowed to refer to the Nazis without some wit saying ‘Godwin’s Law’ – or the posts being removed. But you are allowed to talk about Communism because so many people have got a soft spot for the communists. They’re ‘left’ wing, so surely they’re nice people at heart. You can walk around with a hammer-and-sickle badge on your school rucksack and have a Chairman Mao poster in your teenage bedroom and everyone thinks it’s cute.

Totally agree. NSDAP stands, much as though some left-leaners hate hearing it, for National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Hitler was quite clear about this; he regarded communism as a separate philosophy mainly because it opposed his agendas and outcomes, but he never referred to “his” party as anything other than National Socialism.

Or have a che poster on your wall as many students did in my days at university. I doubt many knew he was a callous murderer.

“ The current situation here, by definition, comes out of the right”

Persistent repetition of this literal idiocy is not going to make it any less false, Rick H. Things have changed a little now, but n the crucial early days it was almost impossible to find any institution or major figure of the left, including the likes of Jeremy Corbyn, who was not full on pushing panic. Notably all the leftist criticisms of the government were of it not panicking hard enough or fast enough. You know this, it was pointed out to you essentially without response time after time back in April (iirc) and May.

Yet you persist in dogged, dogmatic repetition, as if you hope eventually people will forget the truth and come to believe your preferred version of reality..

It’s especially comical when, as here, you repeat that attempt to force this round panic into your personal square ideological pigeonhole, and follow it with this remarkable piece of unselfawareness:

“ Trying to fit circumstances to pre-defined ideological boxes is a waste of space “

The socialists here in Northern Ireland have been utterly pathetic since day 1. The mask has been a badge of honour for them and their big plan is Zero Covid. They have nowhere to go as the narrative is unveiled for the nonsense it is. They blame government and corporations for putting their workers at risk, and want full lockdown so we can all be New Zealand.

It’s absolutely incredible the lack of critical thought on display

Of course Rick will do that…to remain a socialist/communist at 70+ years requires a huge amount of self deception. All socialist /communist regimes turned into dictatorships despite there always being Western apologists for them in the early days. Once they became tyrannies the same excuse is always trotted out by the same people…they were not ‘real socialism’. Funny how the apologists never said that about them in the early stages. Even respected British politicians like Nye Bevan (the creator out our new religion, the NHS) was for many years an apologist for Stalin…his speeches are in Hansard for all to see. The veteran left wing Cambridge economist Joan Robinson was an apologist for North Korea and predicted that one day the South Koreans would be desperate to get into North Korea…I wonder how well that prediction turned out.

What do you mean by “right”, in this context? I class myself as vaguely “right” and don’t recognise much of what this government is doing as being “right”. If anything, it is more “left” than “right”, in so far as we are seeing huge state intervention in every aspect of life. But essentially it is about dishonesty, evil, selfishness, vanity, abuse of power, suppression of freedom of speech, cowardice, by unprincipled people.

The old definition of left and right doesn’t exist in this situation.
The fact that it is a nominally Conservative Government instituting these policies doesn’t matter.The SNP and Welsh labour are enacting the same policies.
The threat we face is probably closer to Fascism than Communism although they are the twin brothers of totalitarianism.

The threat we face is probably closer to Fascism than Communism

Seems a bit People’s Front of Judea to me. The state will be controlling every aspect of the economy and our lives. I don’t think there’s a race element to it, or any idea of one nation taking over the world. Seems like Communism to me.

I came to a conclusion a couple of years ago that there isn’t much fundamentally different in what a Fascist or Communist state looks like – they both have a dictator at the helm, controlling everyone else in the populace.

There will be much more nuanced arguments, and I’m sure there are people here who would be able provide lots more detail, but as someone who doesn’t study this subject, it was just an outside observation that ultimately they both looked like a pretty similar setup.

If you believe the Conservatives have gone full communists how do you account for them giving 12 billion to a private company (surco)?. I’m not aware of any communist country ever encouraging free enterprise on that scale .

Where did this 12 billion come from?

Who invented the term Cultural Marxism? It is about as oxymoronic as it gets. Marxism is a class analysis, based on modernist epistemology, prioritising the interests of the working class by exposing capitalist exploitation and oppression. Whereas, so called Cultural Marxism takes class for granted and assumes it is natural, is based on postmodernist epistemology, and exploits identity politics to obscure the collective interests of the working class and thus ensure there is no effective challenge to capitalist exploitation and oppression. I do not know who invented the term, but I recognise an outstanding example of the art and science of propaganda.

Brilliant! Thank you so very much for pointing this out!

You misunderstand the aims.Cultural Marxists realised the Western Working class would never rise up in its present state.So set about weakening and subverting the host culture from within therefore paving the way for revolution.Whether the technocratic elites have made them their own useful idiots is another matter

Rather than just telling me that I do not understand, perhaps you might address the contrasts I highlighted between Marxism and so called Cultural Marxism?

I guess the point here, I’m agreeing with Jonathan, is that it isn’t ‘so called’ Cultural Marxism but an actual real life ideology, which has the origin that Jonathan explains….

Meanwhile you said, Steve, “ I recognise an outstanding example of the art and science of propaganda” and this too is correct – that is precisely why it was devised in the first place.

They won’t like it but it’s a conspiracy theory . It started in America in 92 in a essay by a bloke called Michael Minnicinno. The right in America took it up and it spread here . Most people now use it to explain identity politics and try to equate it to some left wing plan . The truth is although much of the mainstream left support id politics now it would make more sense to call this stuff cultural capitalism after all would Marx support any of this shit if he was alive today ? the answer is no . Marxism is a purely an economic theory as anyone knows who has bothered to read him and the idea he would support black lives matter or trans rights is insanity . There has never been a communist country that supported No Borders ,Black or Gay or Trans rights ,no communist would ever of used the phrase white privilege as it contradicts the class analysis which is the whole basis of Marx . Before people jump on me i’m not a communist but iv’e read Marx and the people who spout all this woke shit at the moment are clearly just Liberals .

Sorry to resurrect an on-going moan – but it is important.

I keep on seeing references to ‘Covid’ ‘infections’ in various articles (see, for instance that on pressure in the NHS) that fail to distinguish between illness and PCR defined ‘cases’.

All here by now know that this is an absolutely crucial dimension to the facts of any argument, given what we know about the interpretation of the PCR test. It colours any data and any attempt to distinguish true infective illness from the casedemic.

The item on getting a PCR test was interesting, but it again dodges the fundamental question of whether, when you have undergone the necessary intrusive palaver, the result is worth the paper its printed on.

We need to be constantly alerting people that the sloppy testing of asymptomatic – or randomly symptomatic – individuals is a useless ritual.

Actually I was amazed by the psychologist undertaking the test due to peer pressure. They claimed to have had no interest in taking one otherwise.
I am preaching to the choir here, but people do not get tested unless absolutely necessary. If you do, then you are just contributing to prolonging the sh*t show.

We want to get the message out that a running nose and sneezing and possibly a sore throat are NOT a symptom of COVID and nobody should be going for tests just for these.

Just heard from youngest, a chef working in Pembrokeshire. One of his colleagues wanted to visit his grandmother in hospital, so decided to get a precautionary test ( they had no symptoms); the result was positive. My son had a lift from this person and has now to isolate for two weeks. Also the restaurant may have to close, having just reopened after the Welsh lockdown.

We could have written the script for him.

Was he obliged to take a precautionary test in order to visit his grandmother or did he decide on his own?

Agree

Said this to someone today in reply to me saying our weekend golf game will probably be for not much longer as Scotland will likely shut down.

His reply – ‘yep, probably but infections are rising in the local area’

Me – ‘nope, we are in a casedemic now, the test is flawed and calibrated to return positive tests there is very little danger barring usual seasonal flu’

Him – ‘casedemic…is that the new buzzword, haven’t heard that one before’

Me – ‘no, it’s true’

Him – shrug of the shoulders.

For fuck sake more worried about my choice of word that the information I was giving him.

I literally spend many hours each week challenging posts and comments on my 3 local Facebook groups about ‘cases’ and numbers of people being infected and panicking or exhorting everyone to stay inside, don’t meet others, shop online, don’t open windows, don’t kill our old folk, don’t send kids to school, don’t teach in schools, don’t go to work etc etc, with factual information on PCR tests, references, explanations of why the figures are not ‘cases’ and why so many results are likely to be false positives. Gets very tiresome, and I get a lot of really aggressive and nasty comments in reply. But I’m determined to try and get the message out to at least some people that they are being misinformed and unnecessarily panicked.

I haven’t posted for ages here – but here is must reading every day. I’ve suddenly had to publicly defend my views –
I had a very deeply depressing conversation with a couple who I know alittle through work – she is an EHO who turns out to have been one of the team ‘monitoring’ the hospitality industry compliance this summer – AKA – you have no idea how badly behaved people have been and how ‘disobedient’ – who clearly believe everything the MSM say – 51000 deaths of Covid and we are all going to die and it would be hundreds of thousands more if we hadn’t taken action etc etc.
This was conducted outside on the pavement yesterday as they ducked and moved into the road as others passed by.
I tried & tried to marshal some counterfacts – the tests not being representative or reliable, the deaths not being of covid but with covid; the average age of deaths; it’s ‘easier’ to put covid on a death certificate to ‘process the death’ etc. The complete destruction of the economy (oh it grew by 15% last month – seriously they seen the UK debt figures), the schools closing (well everyone is back at school now – no they are not); the university students being locked up – well our university doesn’t do that because we have ‘good’ students, so masked adults and babies is OK then (no reply), the state interference in our lives and ability to make decisions and take our own risks – ‘well not everyone behaves well’.
We ended up fundamentally disagreeing that I was a ‘libertarian’ and they were not.
Just depressing – the closed mindset, the stupidity, the lack of curiousness, the sheeple mentality and no wish to engage with me.
I do feel alone sometimes and I guess we are all here for that too.
The fact that when the UK state stops funding local EHO posts (already decimated), there will be no jobs – seems to have passed them by. I despair.
The sooner the appalling no 10 group and the inept cabinet go somewhere far away and very uncomfortable the better.

I got several death threats from people in local groups. Another so eloquently told me he ‘wouldn’t give me the steam off his piss’ and another said my ‘name is on a list’. I am horrified at these people who sound like the Stasi. I now think that nothing will change their minds and, even if the hoax was admitted by the Govt, they would still wear their muzzles.

“another said my ‘name is on a list’.”

In my case, my response would be “Another one! The government can’t even streamline their lists of people they don’t like”.

Let them them wear muzzles. Give them leashes to go with them.

Brilliant. Keep at it. Persistence is the key!

Idea time.

Those on social media who talk of forced vaccinations, concentration camps etc – we pick out the most egregious example and report them to Prevent for radicalisation retraining. Use the system against them. Ideally someone part of a professional body who is vocally breaching their own professional standards.

Not usually my style but it needs to be done and, let’s be honest, do we need to cry any tears for someone who would have us sent to the gulag?

On the lockdown zealot side you mean, for spreading conspiracy theories. But our conspiracy theorists on the lockdown sceptics side, will be merely expressing an opinion. I like it…

Most of ‘our’ nutters are harmless. ‘Theirs’ are advocating restriction of health services, segregation and camps.

Time for another meme attempt:

Lockdown theory is like someone else forcing you to hold your breath. If you don’t stop them in time you will die.

Here’s my jingle, sung to the tune of A finger of Fudge :

• A vial of vaccine is just enough to trick the very thick.
• A vial of vaccine is not enough to stop you getting sick.
• It’s full of Pfizerly poisons you didn’t get to pick.
• A vial of vaccine is just enough to give your kids a tic.

A Romanian friend told me that Bojo and Princess Macbeth remind her of the Ceausescus

– the dictator couple that ruled Romania during communism – he a vain but weak man with an even vainer ruthless wife. Overthrown in a revolution and lined up against a wall

Never a big fan of active first ladies or first gentlemen for that matter., particularly if they are manipulative and nasty with a habit of pushing pet causes onto a less than willing nation

Sooner Bojo and nut nuts are gone the better

She has just got to be referred to as “nut nuts” from now on!

It is good isn’t it – makes me chuckle

Here in Wales, Josef Stalin Dungford reminds me very forcibly of Ceausescu.
Hope he meets a similar fate.

Ceaucescu ran the show, but he was not alone. Many of the people that did his bidding remained in the shadows after he was overthrown.

SHOCK/HORROR: Veteran entertainer, Des O’Connor dies aged 88 and he didn’t test positive for “you know what”

Yes, but I’ll bet the headline is placed in amongst the headlines for you-know-what.

Yes.

“The friends describe the attacks on her as sexist.”

Of course they do.

“The idea that she is a woman and therefore shouldn’t have a voice is unfair,” said one. “The vitriol and bitterness towards her has been quite something, chances are they would not happen to a man.

The point is that she is not elected, and unlike other unelected advisers has bedroom access to the PM. That’s a real problem where there is clear political activism on the part of a wife/husband, lover or sex partner.

Power without responsibility.

Of course, nobody complains about such power when it is directed in a congenial direction for them. But it is clear that in this case it is directing the “Conservative” leader further down the refuse chute of soft left political correctness and wokery. That should be a concern for anyone who recognises the problem we have of lack of representation for conservatives and traditionalists.

“…power without responsibility – the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages.” Stanley Baldwin

Quite correct and the sexism slur is just a convenient ruse to shut down justifiable criticism.

She’s adopted the role of the power behind the throne of a weakened and weak PM.

If she’s truly committed and not merely an opportunist,she should stand for election.

Interesting in this respect :

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/george-kerevan-mistresses-influence-politics-1547829

‘Sexist’ and ‘racist’ are labels used to stop criticism by the unscrupulous.

Absolutely: the get-out-of-jail-free response.

Typical that a number of commentators have crawled out from under their slimy stones to allege misogyny and sexism. Lucy Beresford on BBC’s The Papers last night was one such example. It’s become a standard fall-back position, to support women who can’t otherwise be supported.

I am surprised by that. I was watching the paper review on the other side (Sky) with Christina Paterson, who as expected, said much the same. Lucy Beresford is ex-City – she was Shearson Lehman Bros then BZW, according to her Wiki page. Not sure how long she was a Shearson, but a zoo perhaps best captures the environment of US investment bank trading floors of the 1980s/1990s.

My long-held view – well actually since watching the brilliant Day of the Jackal again a few months ago – is that she is a plant. The vainglorious Doris, with his ‘inquisitive p….’ (Rod Liddle’s expression) was a sitting target. Where Ms Arcuri failed (or did she?) Ms Carrie succeeded.

The cries of misogyny in this case are so wide of the mark as to be laughable. She is a 32 year-old unelected mistress of a 55 year-old PM. She has a degree in theatre studies, and spent her post-university years prior to shacking up with Doris, aka, being planted on him, as a PR person in CCHQ.

She does nothing but hinder the cause of serious professional women fighting for equality of opportunity, as does Allegra Stratton, if, as reported, she burst into tears after heated discussions with Cummings and Cain. I am from a different generation and class, but the response is ‘F Off’. Alpha Male environments need Alpha Female responses.

“ if, as reported, she burst into tears after heated discussions with Cummings and Cain. I am from a different generation and class, but the response is ‘F Off’. Alpha Male environments need Alpha Female responses. “

That’s a feminism I can respect.

You will like my pre-‘Me Too’ response. As a young (16/17) year-old in Newcastle, had my backside pinched on the way to the ladies loo by a 20 something bloke stood at the bar. On my way back, he was facing the other way, so I pinched his backside. His mates fell over in fits of laughter!

Second one. Saturday girl, working on checkouts of local store – similar age. Senior manager aged about 35 asked me out. I replied ‘yes, if your wife is coming too’. That shut him up!

Indeed, we had to be robust in those days. I am completely behind supporting women who are the victims of real assaults. But an inappropriate remark or a touch too far needs an “f off” or a slap.

The lack of representation for conservatives and traditionalists is because the electorate won’t vote for them.

To an extent, but that has been (as with the campaigns against Trump in the US) pushed by massive propaganda and indoctrination (led by the BBC, which did pretty much what it did for the coronapanic, but less dramatically and over decades). And now of course we are in the situation where it is actively dangerous to adopt conservative and traditionalist positions, due to the ever present threat of police harassment and criminal sanction in the most unpc cases, and due to the bias, smear and cancel culture that pervades media and social media.

In the end, we shall see if such opinions can be suppressed for ever by those who believe it to be so. But bear in mind, those people are the ones who derided any suggestion that their actions would lead to “backlash” and then started crying about “backlash” when Leave won the referendum, and when Trump was elected in the US.

They (you) are playing with fire, and have mostly gotten away with it for decades.

I actually think that people tell pollsters they won’t vote that way because they are brainwashed into it being an unpopular non-PC preference. It doesn’t mean they don’t vote that way given the chance.

I couldn’t care less what rubbish people might tell pollsters, I’m merely stating the obvious: people don’t vote for traditionalist, conservative views in sufficient number for savvy politicians to think it worth advocating them. Any more than they think it worth advocating communism. They know the British public vote for a sort of middle of the road Lord Wooltonish welfare state.

PCR is a fraud.

Listening to two ministers from Northern Ireland on BBC this morning and the whole discussion is totally poluuted by the assumption that PCR + = infectious. Anything that follows from that premise is false, misleading and doomed to failure from a policy perspective.

They haven’t a clue how irrelevant their late night meetings and arguments are over R0, cases, second waves, NHS stress, mass testings. Of course, their only positive is that some company boosted their stock price with announcement that hardly anyone gets covid. Shocked.

They could end this tomorrow.

They could have ended it at any time, and at some point in the early summer it would have been reasonably doable to climb down and not start mass testing.

Even Fauci said something about the PCR test over 30 cycles was meaningless.

The government’s own guidance says above 30 is meaningless!!! Strangely this guidance was only published at the end of October: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr

Anothersceptic2 thanks for this link. On LS newsletters there have been several references to the UK using 45 cycles, and it was not denied when several people queried this officially. So, if the government knows 30 or more cycles produce up to 99% false positives, why are they still a) using the PCR test and b) using results to inform policy and decisions?

The government and Civil Service are the enemy. They have deliberately lied to us and falsified information.

Covid is the Diagonal Steamtrap. Look up Crawford Howard if you haven’t heard of him.

I never thought I’d encounter another person who knew about Crawford Howard and his Diagonal Steamtrap, let alone here on LS!

https://www.reitschuster.de/post/leiter-von-bundeswehr-institut-warnt-vor-alltagsmasken/
The head of the German Army’s Institute for Aerodynamics thinks that face masks are useless and could well lead to an increase in infections.
Clearly, this is a person and a particular area of expertise where the media, virologists and politicians have NFC about, which is why it will be hard to ignore, diffamate, censor or fire him for that scientific observation.
Not that they won’t try, of course.

I couldn’t find it, but someone a while back posted something say that the 2nd spike in deaths attributed to Spanish flu came about after masks were mandated/recommended. Not sure if that’s true.

DON’T TOUCH IT.
What he is saying is that if people are very close together, e.g. kids in class, their nappy breath will be expelled sideways right into their neighbour’s face.
He is all for masks OUTSIDE.

He is not all for them outside.
He said they might make sense there.
Why he thinks that can’t really be derived from his comments here.
IMO, it’s still very implausible and idiotic.
And the case numbers of countries with outside mask mandares also suggest the opposite.

There once was a Princess Nut Nut
Who to Dom and Lee would only tut tut
She informed her great man
There’d soon be a ban
Get Dom and Lee out or no rut rut

Entertainment by farce, masks over entrainment by force.

Where does our willingness to align in coercive denial of human being arise and find support?

Te power behind the throne is ‘thinking’ globally and active locally, such that vertical hierarchy subverts any horizontal integration of consciousness and community.
So you only have the life allotted you under regulations, which recondition to replace human being with programming.

Is there a power behind the throne or is there a willing sacrifice of human being to a god of the wish for such power?

Fear, when set as our reality by our reaction, becomes the terrain that shapes our thought to generate our response. This operates a machine thinking, running as IF alive.

Fear, set in such actions, will only fade from non use.
Masking over protects the fear, as a way to persist in its action unknowing – and at the hand of others or conditions outside my sphere of responsibility.
Guilt and fear are thus got rid of by masking over and casting or projecting out to the narratives for the justification and protection of the mask (the protects the fear). This process persists as further masking to protect the invested narratives (that protect the mask that protects the fear).

Psychology recognises ‘psychological defences’. The mind is set in conflicts of self-evasion that can use psychology to sanctify and persist in it!

Human being is not a noun, nor mind you, is mind.
Objecting to reality makes an object reality to which we can subject our sense of self.

The more we fight it the tighter the net.
Fear and control operate both sides of a coin that generated false currency.
As if what is feared will happen IS happening.
As if what was thus experienced, (as if really happening), will happen again.
And so must be ruled out of experience by limiting thought and behaviour,
so as to give priority to such control as our protection, under ‘moral’ justifications by which to offset or mitigate loss of love and pain of isolation to social reinforcement set against a sense of self-dissonance, self-betrayal or sin – which must be ongoing got rid of onto others and world from a bubble of judgmental exceptionalism.

But we never really escape our consequences by scapegoating others or world as the evil to be eradicated or conformed, so much as manage toxic consequence under a world of self-evasive masking.
That reaction can set a mind in error falsely, is to become one who knows not what they do – because a fundamental error cascaded through all that follows.
The recognition of this simple fact offers release. But the original error is hidden under layers of defences that are the territory of particular fears, locked down in guilt and masked over, and cast out so as to ‘never be relived again!’.
But not only does this not work, it works to persist a world of only seeming escape to a deeper reinforcement in error with every invested ‘solution’.

Refusal to own our fear generates an ‘alien’ will.
Alienation from our being under a false sense of protective control that then feeds blindly on our lives because we made it in blindness of a sense of lack-driven need.

Good morning Binra.
This seems to me a wonderfully useful account of the toxic projective mechanism by which our society has created the virus as its own worst nightmare and is now locked in pointless battle with it.
I always appreciate your posts. Thank you.

“Kamran Abbasi is mad as hell and he’s not going to take it anymore .”

Maybe, but I suspect not. The BMJ piece, as I noted yesterday , is conveniently selective in its criticisms.

No mention of or apology for the medical establishment’s suppression of sceptical opinion and information on the basis of it being supposedly “irresponsible”, and a politically partisan reference to the US government giving over-rapid approval to medical treatments with no mention of our (and other) government’s waving through a basically still experimental vaccine for mass use.

Strongly suggests their position is like that of the disgraceful Labour Party’s criticism of the government over lockdown – criticising for not doing even more damage than it did.

My guess is that Kamran and the BMJ will more than happily continue to “take it” from the panicker zealots, again and again. and will continue to enthusiastically collaborate with and enable them.

Happy to be proved wrong…..

Correct in your analysis. The BMJ editorial is actually a boost in the arm for the lockdown partisans. Nowhere is there any criticism of mask mandates, societal lockdowns or any of the coercive NPI s . The only criticism seems to be the lack of diversity in SAGE members ie in the words of a former chairman of the BBC they are all too hideously white.

Trust me as having been a member of the BMA nobody who is on the editorial board would be nothing less than a 100% supporter of the Chinese approved lockdown . The Danish mask study will never be published by the BMJ.

Nor does the editorial call for the government to publish all the empirical research relevant to the policy measures. I suspect the reason for this apparent oversight is the fact that the editor knows there is no such body of scientific evidence.

Interesting read on illegality of lockdown.

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/11/05/bonfire-of-the-freedoms-the-unlawful-exercise-of-powers-conferred-by-the-public-health-control-of-disease-act-1984/

One of the bases of the Dolan case, and Sumption’s view, is that the 1984 Act does not confer the powers the government has used and that it is unconstitutional.

It’s taking a very long time to get a ruling. Are they hoping not to have to if they drag their heels for long enough?
I’m not sure I remember correctly but wasn’t the original JR denied because at the time of the ruling we were no longer in lockdown? A silly attack of optimism hopes we won’t be for much longer this time.

I think it was denied on other grounds too

The 1984 act requires any action to be sanctioned on an individual basis by a magistrate. Nowhere does it mention universal application of the law. The act is available to read by anyone and every provision has mention of the magistrate as the first line. I am not trained in the law.

This, and as I understand it the more fundamental point that removal of basic freedoms on a general basis, by UK legal tradition, should be done by parliament and by a law that recognises those freedoms are being removed on a general basis and not specific cases as with the 1984 Act. So they should have used the Civil Contingencies Act instead, which was designed for that purpose but crucially requires a vote in parliament, and Sumption was of the view that the government used the 1984 Act in order to circumvent parliamentary scrutiny.

I was just listening to Planet Rock and unfortunately the news came on.

Apparently, they want to make “spreading mis-information” about vaccines a criminal offence. Sites like this could be fined if people write words on it in this comments section for example.

Is it lawful to make spreading “information” (either true, false or “mis”) a criminal offence?

Could one consider the phrase “This new type of RNA-altering vaccine that has been developed within the last 8 months is safe for the general population to use” mis-information?

Something along the lines of ‘D’ notices which would be very difficult to do, especially these days.

I suspect that the social media companies will enthusiastically embrace the challenge, using AI to detect rogue words and phrases as they are typed in. And the mainstream broadcasters and newspapers will absolutely obey D-Notices. Anything that does leak past the social media filters will be denounced as untrustworthy fake news.

They already have embraced the challenge, and have been doing so for years.

You do know D notices still exist? They are called DSMA notices nowadays.

Just the fact that anti vaccination info is pretty much ‘cancelled’ and now they want it to be a criminal offence makes me absolutely certain that vaccination is a vile and nasty way to control our lives whilst making more money than we can even imagine. I was never against vaccinations per se for incredibly serious diseases when there was no other method of controlling them. However, they are now bombarding immature immune systems and aged and depleted immune systems with multiple vaccines. As a kid we had a handful of vaccinations but now it’s dozens for diseases that are treatable and not even common. The rise of asthma and autism is in direct correlation with the rise in totally unnecessary vaccines. How can Boris say that anti vaxxers are nuts when the Govt pay out millions (instead of the pharma companies themselves) for vaccine damage?

Saying you don’t want to have a vaccine because it simply cannot have gone through enough rigorous testing in 5 months, when it would normally take at least 5 years cannot be classed as misinformation can it? If you are just protecting yourself from something you consider could harm you, how can anyone say that is down to any misinformation. And anyway – free speech????????????

It doesn’t alter RNA. It just has RNA in it that gets made into antigens.

There are some risks with the new vaccines but they aren’t going to “alter” anyone’s DNA or RNA.

Yeah? Who told you that?

Would resurrecting the label ‘conscientious objectors’ help our cause I wonder? What do others think?

All suggestions welcome.

I immediately reacted “no”. Then I thought about it and the parallels are strong. We are in a fight for our lives, freedoms and health. We are led by vain and corrupt fools. So, I think “yes” is actually my considered answer. We have consciences and we use them to object to the egregious harm being done and choose not to participate in the harms (masking, vaccines etc).

I like it. I understand more and more of the bravery of those people – who were near-universally reviled. And they were “conscientious”. They were not cowards or fantasists and they did not want to let the Nazis rip.

Good idea.

Thanks to all for your comments; where do we go from here? Should we switch to using it?

I wonder what Toby and the other site masters will think?

Please keep adding your valuable comments and suggestions.

I like the term conscientious objector very much.
LS should be renamed as well to help us bring more people to the truth.
As soon as I mention the words ‘lockdown sceptic’ people glaze over. I’m not having any luck at all converting any of my friends from their current fear of this virus.
I’m getting so many sleepless nights now, I can’t face any shopping except to the corner shop where I can show my face. I do go to the woods, walk on the beach and try to forget I’m living in a science fiction movie. But yes basically I’m a hermit – oops isn’t that what they wanted:-)

So am I Marialta; I live a virtually solitary life and loathe shopping. I do have a few friends, but 2 are lockdown adherents, while the the third is far more sensible.

I’ve only made 1 convert to date.

Very few contacts with family members and masks are worn everywhere here, so in thrall are folk to FM Sturgeon’s diktats and telly performances.

I hope we’ll be able to use the term more widely and thus gain more support.

We can but hope.

Become a Christian Scientist. Temporarily, of course.

Emergency Laws to Stamp Out Free Speech | Carl Vernon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVhZxH2SCXE

Why don’t they just pass an “emergency law” which states…

“All MPs MUST vote for everything the government wants. After this emergency law, there will be no need for MPs (who mainly voted how they were told to anyway)

This would help the government no end in tackling this deadly, terrifying and highly contagious virus and will help the British Public achieve their dream of Zero Covid in time for Christmas 2025.”

…and be done with it?

The Coronavirus Act 2020 Part 2 Section 90 gives the government the authority to rule by ministerial decree.

There’s no need. The opposition votes with the government anyway. Woohoo the CRG has 70 members. So 580 against. Parliament has become the Supreme Soviet.

Aha, but it’s 70 people with backbone against 580 grovelling, spineless cowards. Much shorter odds than you might think.

They don’t have to pass that law – Sir Kneel has already said they will do that anyway.

Medical fascism, good knows what they are injecting us with if they want it to be mandatory. All part of the sinister Great Reset enslaving the masses agenda.

Viruses such as whooping cough can kill the elderly yet they don’t even offer vaccine boosters to people who want them – the childhood vaccine wears off over the years as I found out.

Anyone who supports lockdowns or this government and the Labour party deserve all they get

They do – I just wish they weren’t dragging us down with them

Under a headline “Coronavirus infection rates continue to rise” our local rag tells us that in our two major hospitals which must serve several hundred thousand people there were ten “Covid patients” on November 3. Ten! Just when you think that this “crisis” cannot hit new levels of absurdity.

The longer they continue the more people will wake up, they’re actually shooting themselves in the food by prolonging this for so long.

I think so too, which is why I expect further steps in the agenda to follow within months – at he latest.

But the more word gets round the more people will stop believing anything the government say. You can only lie so much before even the stupidest person puts 2 and 2 together.

The stupidest 80% of people in the UK would quite happily accept that 2and2 make 5, or whatever total the Fascist liars push on to them.

What do they mean by “infection rates”?

Exactly, collectively we need to contact these places pointing them at the governments own “guidance” that says a PCR test cannot be used to confirm whether someone is even infected, let alone infectious.

And do they actually mean “rate” as in +ve tests per 100 or do they mean raw numbers?

They have the regional ONS stats I believe which show new cases and infection rates. 185 and 140 per 100,000 for example in our area.

I just happened to click on the BBC website (I know, I know) and the headline is:

“Normal life back next winter” says vaccine creator.

How many more times are they going to kick this can down the road. And how much more psychological abuse will people be willing to take before they finally crack.

No one I’ve spoken to (which obviously is only a small amount of people) are not taking any notice of any or restrictions over Christmas so they’ll have to then try and spin rising cases in the weeks following.

This is the strategy – keep dangling a carrot.

The fact that every major news outlet keeps referring to cases as infections shows the level of corruption going on. Even the smallest outlet I’m assuming are still drip fed news from AP/Reuters etc.

Revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

I want lots and lots of extra helpings.

I think we should make more than we think we will want in the first place. Batch cooking, if you like.

Update on Wolverhampton anti lockdown protest.
In the words of the Express and star newspaper: “Some were shouting no to masks and we want our freedom back” ,note : “some” not, some people.
Apparently we are just “Some” now.
According to the aforementioned paper, there were 150 marchers and 12 arrests, but in my experience, the E&S have never been overly bothered about the truth.

Hopefully the Devon reader whose experience with their local health food store refusing entry to customers who are exempt and instead saying they would be served at the door will consult the Equality Act 2010, because that practice is discrimination and in breach of said Act. The same situation arose at 2 stores in my local small market town. I was Chair of a countywide employers’ Disability Forum pre-retirement and had had undertaken several courses on equality and discrimination, so had some knowledge of the EA. I also consulted the legal helpline on my house insurance policy to get up to date information in relation to the coronavirus situation. I also did some checks on line using different credible sources to verify the points I intended using in my challenge. I then composed a polite but factual letter to the managers of both stores, explaining the legal position and providing a comparable situation they could hopefully relate to: if they applied the same approach to a black person or a muslim for example, then this would be clear discrimination on race or religious grounds. The same applies to those with mask exemptions, and the only persons who are legitimately permitted to challenge unmasked customers or ask them to leave or refuse them entry are officers designated as such in the relevant Health Protection Regulations. Both notices were removed and replaced within a week with notices that added ‘except those who are exempt’.

Imogen Jolley from solicitors Simpson Millar said: “The legislation clearly states that some people are exempt from the new rules which require members of the public to wear a face covering when in a shop, confined public space, or on public transport.
“However, while it’s relatively easy to see if a child is of a certain age, some disabilities are less apparent and there are worrying reports to suggest that some people are being singled out as a result. That amounts to discrimination.
“It’s absolutely essential that supermarket chiefs and shop managers act now to educate their employees over the rights of disabled people specifically with the terms of the new rules in mind to prevent individuals being refused entry , turned away or asked to leave.
“If not, they would be in breach of the Regulations introduced in relation to the wearing of face coverings and their Equality Act Duties.”

That is great work.

Are you able to tell me if this would apply to my employer? I teach in a university. So far, my mask exemption has been accepted, but all my students have been asked in advance if they are willing to be taught in person by me (rather than on zoom). They have all agreed so far, but is there any chance that giving them this choice contravenes my rights under the Equality Act?

Alethea. The employment situation is a little different and is more complex. It depends partly on the risk assessment the employer conducted. You would need to discuss this with the H&S officer initially and ask to see the risk assessment and the evidence they are using to support that particular control measure. If you use the medical grounds (rather than the very broader exemption relating to you believing it is likely to cause you harm – which applies to everyone actually if the scientific results of numerous studies are accurate!) and go down this route you would need to be confident any information held by HR would back this up, since you would need to provide proof of a medical or disability exemption. If you have legal cover on your house insurance policy I would ring them for free advice – but do as I did and check out the relevant pieces of legislation first – advice varies and that given over the phone is often initially through a paralegal not a fully qualified solicitor and it is also an area of law that requires more in-depth knowledge. If you are in a union I would also check with them – but again – do your homework first, then you can ask the right questions and prompt with the most appropriate points or queries.

Thank you, SL, that’s helpful. I appreciate your taking the time to respond so fully.

It’s horrible that they are asking your students that, but heartening that they have all said yes so far.

If some of them say no, will the in-person lessons go ahead with a Zoom feed for those who want to stay away?

No, I think if any one refuses to be taught by me in person, the whole seminar would take place on zoom. Teaching on zoom has by now become the standard at my university; I don’t know of anyone else who is still engaging in the quaint old-time practice of teaching in person.