2020-11-16

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248908 john, replying to john, 10, #1 of 1842 🔗

Good morning world!

248917 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to john, 60, #2 of 1842 🔗

The Government seems to be living off mirage money.

Who is the de facto Prime minister of the country?

What does levelling up mean if by 2030 only very expensive electric cars will be available?

Why does Prince Charles think that the currently crisis is a great opportunity?

Why does the Labour health spokesman want to suppress any open discussion on vaccines? Does the left suddenly love Big Pharma?

Are these peoples right to be crush by a Labour Health spokesman with no medical qualifications?

Coronavirus: NHS staff flock to anti-vax group (The Times)

Hundreds of NHS and care home staff have formed a group opposed to vaccinations, wearing masks and testing in hospitals.

The group, NHS Workers for Choice, No Restrictions for Declining a Vaccine, has gained more than 250 Facebook members in a month. They include a GP, several accident and emergency nurses, healthcare assistants, lab workers, and private and public care home staff.

It says it is not an anti-vaccine group and exists to support healthcare workers, but The Times found posts saying that the Pfizer-BionTech coronavirus vaccine was a new frozen virus, similar to smallpox, to be “unleashed” on the world. They compared it to “poison”.

One member who works in a GP’s surgery, said that she would rather quit than help with a vaccination

249145 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #3 of 1842 🔗

Thanks for that info on the nhs group, I’ll be joining.

249320 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #4 of 1842 🔗

Good work NHS on setting up that group. Please set yourself up a WordPress site too … or something away from Facebook.

249389 ▶▶▶▶ blunt instrument, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #5 of 1842 🔗

I’m not on Facebook, but I rather think that group will not be an official NHS one.

250417 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to blunt instrument, #6 of 1842 🔗

Dear Blunt

This Is How Great Reset Will End Western Democracies
Mahyar Tousi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk2W7rOFatg

250743 ▶▶▶▶ Horatio Hornblower, replying to Country Mumkin, #7 of 1842 🔗

WordPress is being censored.

GatewayPundit 15th Nov 2020.

249968 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #8 of 1842 🔗

on Steve Bannon’s War Room on You tube Raheem Kassam has just explained how Carrie Symons (who he knows) if full on left wing globalist i nto the Great Reset and has been aiming to get rid of Cummins for over six months to stop Brexit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hT1Ext46qA

250016 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #9 of 1842 🔗

29:00 minutes in….

250637 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #10 of 1842 🔗

I think she was a honey trap

250665 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #12 of 1842 🔗

here’s what happened with the swine flu vaccine, narcolepsy and death
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v08n10.shtml

249011 ▶▶ helen, replying to john, 2, #13 of 1842 🔗

Good morning John!

250630 ▶▶ sam, replying to john, #14 of 1842 🔗

In regards to the 2009 swine flu here is the article fmor the Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242147/The-false-pandemic-Drug-firms-cashed-scare-swine-flu-claims-Euro-health-chief.html
The EU tried to take the WHO to court accusing it of collaborating with the pharmaceutical industry to declare a pandemic to trigger the vaccine contracts with governemnts.
We had Ferguson at the helm then and at the time also took money from GSK. He is more careful nowadays.

248910 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 84, #15 of 1842 🔗

The Guardian discovers herd immunity
”Our immune systems can cope with Covid 19- it’s our politicians who can’t”

They’ve found out about T-cell immunity, that reinfection is vanishingly rare all sorts that might have seen here at LS.

‘It is tempting to think that the virus is a pathogen the likes of which we have never seen before.
In reality, it is our inadequate policies and lack of evidence based public health strategy that have gotten us (sic) to where we are today. . .”

Good old Guardian, got there in the end.

248911 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 20, #16 of 1842 🔗

At least virologists like Rasmussen are proper scientists. Not like those behavioural freaks.

248912 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 44, #17 of 1842 🔗

Somebody send it to Boris, give him something to read while he’s isolating. For an illness he’s already had.

248990 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to thinkaboutit, 32, #18 of 1842 🔗

I suggest he binge-watches Ivor Cummins first

249242 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to CGL, 6, #19 of 1842 🔗

Nice idea, but have we got anyone to subtitle the videos in ancient Greek?

249790 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CGL, 3, #20 of 1842 🔗

And footage from Australia.

249025 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to thinkaboutit, 54, #21 of 1842 🔗

What a coincidence that Alexander Johnson has to self isolate when Downing Street is in meltdown. Sel isolating? hiding and plotting more like. What an absolute lying piece of shit.

249291 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #22 of 1842 🔗

Don’t blame for isolating from Princess Nut Nuts

249700 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #23 of 1842 🔗

His hair is getting whiter by the day.

249785 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #24 of 1842 🔗

Send him Hugo’s Les Misérables.

249895 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to richard riewer, 8, #25 of 1842 🔗

No, send him a variety of descriptions of life under Communism or Fascism, and ask if he can tell the difference between them and life in present day Britain. Answer – they were generally freer under Communism. At least they could meet as families, and buy stuff when there was any, in shops.

250642 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Anne Passman, 3, #26 of 1842 🔗

no, send him a summons to Court for fraud

250750 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Shadow, replying to sam, #27 of 1842 🔗

Add to the court case mass murder. He certainly did that one really well. Send his friends right along with him.

248940 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 2, #28 of 1842 🔗

The Guardian: Japan shop deploys robot to check people are wearing face masks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/japan-shop-deploys-robot-to-check-people-are-wearing-face-masks

249018 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, 27, #29 of 1842 🔗

This is why suicides have rocketed in Japan. It’s an inhumane, plastic, concrete dystopia

249386 ▶▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to Ben, 12, #30 of 1842 🔗

yes, I went there expecting mountains and green tea and plinky plonk music, but I found it, instead, to be a massive factory. I should have expected it really. On the other hand it made me realise that UK has no industry in comparison.

249994 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to peter charles, 4, #31 of 1842 🔗

You can find the mountains, green tea and shamisen/koto music but you have to leave the built up metropolitan areas to do so. Sounds like you had a disappointing trip though and I’m sorry to hear that. Rural Japan is still very beautiful.

249899 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Ben, 4, #32 of 1842 🔗

I suggest that when (or if, of course,. I wouldn’t put it past Boris, and his malign quartet to keep them permanently) we get rid of face masks we have a Bonfire night Day of burnings, with Vallance, Whitty, Ferguson (plus his forecast of 250,000 dead) Boris and Hancock on top. Bags I light the fire!! Oh, and can we sack all the inhuman care home bosses etc.

249997 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Ben, 4, #33 of 1842 🔗

Plus there is a whole different attitude to suicide in Japan. It is sometimes seen as an honourable thing to do. (I speak from experience as my Japanese father-in-law took his own life)

248957 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 21, #34 of 1842 🔗

Rasmussen sounds a bit Scandinavian to me..,

This whole thing has been traumatic for the Guardian. It’s been an article of faith for 70 years, possibly longer, that “Swedes do it better”…to have to reject the Swedish approach to public health has been unsettling for them.

249026 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 34, #35 of 1842 🔗

The Guardian won’t admit that the WEF, the banks, Pharma, Gates etc are seeking to enslave us and to parasite off of us indefinitely under the guise of a virus that for most people can be treated by Lemsips and rest

249187 ▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to Ben, 8, #36 of 1842 🔗

The Guardian is all on board for that.

250645 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Ben, 3, #37 of 1842 🔗

of course not as Gates pays them!

250751 ▶▶▶▶ Shadow, replying to Ben, #38 of 1842 🔗

Bill Gates pays off the Guardian, They will never say anything against him. He gives many medias out there money to shut them up. Including the BBC as well if I remember correctly. Anyone who praises him gets his money. He buys of anyone and everyone he can, including the WHO.

248982 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 4, #39 of 1842 🔗

Very slow on the uptake but at least they got there in the end.

249016 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 14, #40 of 1842 🔗

The Guardian will soon be pushing for Canadian and New Zealand style ‘quarantine camps’ (concentration camps)

249124 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 17, #41 of 1842 🔗

They can push all they want. Very soon nobody will be listening to them.

250647 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #42 of 1842 🔗

only other journalists, the BBC and politicans

249337 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 1, #43 of 1842 🔗

But will it stay there, seems unlikely.

249433 ▶▶ stewart, replying to karenovirus, 3, #44 of 1842 🔗

Tried to find the article but failed. It’s buried somewhere beneath a mountain of articles pretty much pushing the opposite view.

So wouldn’t congratulate The Guardian just yet.

249444 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to stewart, 4, #45 of 1842 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/15/immune-systems-covid-19-politicians-virus

Usual problem of headline not written by the author. Comments are entertaining…

249698 ▶▶▶▶ Ndovu, replying to kf99, 4, #46 of 1842 🔗

I very rarely read the comments in the Guardian – but some of those are hysterical!

249496 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stewart, #47 of 1842 🔗

url link posted by Cheshirecat just bellow.
Sorry can’t do it via Android.

248913 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 68, #48 of 1842 🔗

In my view, the highly critical article that appeared in the BMJ a couple of days ago and written by their executive editor was a major piece of news.

In normal times I would have expected it to have been given significant coverage in the media but there is no evidence of this happening.

Have I misjudged it’s importance or is something amiss?

248915 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 15, #49 of 1842 🔗

PS The lead article in yesterday’s Sunday Times was of a similar nature but does not seem to have created much of a stir.

248941 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to SilentP, 10, #50 of 1842 🔗

But the medics will know that they will not be able to pretend that they did not know.

248949 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to SilentP, 5, #51 of 1842 🔗

Ofcom rules still a barrier

249023 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to SilentP, 7, #52 of 1842 🔗

I’m not sure it was written from a sceptical position. Sounded more like a turf war with the medical establishment peeved at the way Big Pharma is taking over policy formation in this area across the board. Adult vaccination programmes must be a bit of a pain for GPs.

249132 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 15, #53 of 1842 🔗

Oh but it did mention PCR not being fit for purpose. And the citation they used was the same document cited in the Portuguese case mentioned in today’s update as evidence to bin it.

Thats the Pandoras box. No going back.

249134 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 5, #54 of 1842 🔗

They are getting paid 20% more than for the normal flu jab, £25.00 a head for the double dose.

249155 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 15, #55 of 1842 🔗

Most GPs are mega rich in comparison with the communities they serve. I saw a top of the range Bentley in the the car park to a GP centre in a poor part of town the other day. Chances of it belonging to anyone else but the GP must be close to zero. My point is that they really don’t need more money – they are after more time to enjoy their money, so anything that adds to the management burden is not welcome.

249335 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to OKUK, 8, #56 of 1842 🔗

My GP seems to employ pharmacist prescribers in place of GPs now. You ask for an appointment with a GP and its only once they get to something they cannot do they admit they are not actually a GP. Seemed a bit of a racket even before all this.

249184 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to SilentP, 19, #57 of 1842 🔗

You have not misjudged. It should have brought down the government.
The lack of interest demonstrates what we are up against.

249366 ▶▶ Ben, replying to SilentP, 18, #58 of 1842 🔗

The machinery of fascism has taken over. Plain clothes police in Italy are beating up unemployed anti-lockdown protestors. Those pushing the Great Reset don’t care about the science. They never did

249466 ▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Ben, 11, #59 of 1842 🔗

I am half Italian and it is disgusting what is going on in Italy.

248914 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 12, #60 of 1842 🔗

The Guardian article is good about immunity, comments are horrendous.

Here’s a prize one

“What a disgrace of an article, I have been ill for 4 months straight after being infected, a 30 year old in perfect health and know many others who have been also. No mention at all that this virus is causing mass auto immune disease, that can disable you for life, in 10s of 1000s of people in this country and 100s of 1000s globally.
Criminal”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/15/immune-systems-covid-19-politicians-virus

248918 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 23, #61 of 1842 🔗

Probably the Mail commenter who claimed

“I know three people myself who have had the Covid twice”.

248920 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 42, #62 of 1842 🔗

To have Covid once may be regarded as a misfortune. To have it twice looks like carelessness.

248943 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 9, #63 of 1842 🔗

The Importance of Being Johnson

248993 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to wendyk, 14, #64 of 1842 🔗

Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.

248995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #65 of 1842 🔗

I have nothing to declare but my exemption.

249137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Alethea, 3, #66 of 1842 🔗

“Exempt, your honour”

249017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #67 of 1842 🔗

“Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people”.

Oscar saw the future

249019 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 7, #68 of 1842 🔗

“A man who does not think for himself does not think at all”.

248960 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 4, #69 of 1842 🔗

Down at the Weight Watchers club?

249539 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #70 of 1842 🔗

Surprised they didn’t say they know 3 people who’ve died twice!

249587 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Jamie, 8, #71 of 1842 🔗

a famous Trump quote about Covid ” People are dying who have never died before”

248919 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 10, #72 of 1842 🔗

Well, it does take a little time to convert zombies back into human beings, when you’ve spent the last seven months converting them into zombies.
That’s assuming that the Grauniad doesn’t immediately revert to arch-zombyism. They do owe a duty to their readership, after all.

248931 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 22, #73 of 1842 🔗

This is promising. I have been boycotting the Guardian since January, before all this madness, when they published the name and photo of a man who went on a knifing rampage in Streatham. The article basically said: the man was known to authorities as someone who wanted fame for a terrorist attack… here is his name and photo. Since the madness started they I have been reliably informed that they went so deep down the rabbit hole, they met The Times coming down its own hole. Both have been stumbling around in the darkness ever since. If anyone is calling for censorship and criminalising the spread of misinformation, they could do a good sweep of the MSM right now and shut them all down!

248942 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #74 of 1842 🔗

I expect they’ll make it a threesome with the boycotted Telegraph.

248985 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 12, #75 of 1842 🔗

BBC, Sky, C4, ITV, GMB should also join them.

250651 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #76 of 1842 🔗

I’ve been boycotting them for 15 years when I saw the light!

248947 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 16, #77 of 1842 🔗

I would bet money that the “facts” in that comment are completely fabricated.

248991 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #78 of 1842 🔗

Oh diddums!
(to the poor person with ‘long covid’ (I assume)

249099 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #79 of 1842 🔗

Then a Chron’s patient enters the chat…

249152 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #80 of 1842 🔗

Guardian readers love ‘auto immune disease’. They don’t, of course, mean real ones like diabetes or MS. Theirs are the modern equivalent of ‘a bad back’ and the aim is to avoid work and make the argument for a Universal Basic Handout.

It would be interesting to see a study into the psychological effects of the belief that one has a potentially fatal disease. If they had never been told that they had The Lurgy, would they have all these symptoms? I doubt it.

249311 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #81 of 1842 🔗

That’s undoubtedly true and I think it has it’s origins in so-called complementary medicine that they’re so enamoured of. It’s the go to explanation every time.

249616 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jonathan Smith, 7, #82 of 1842 🔗

Ivor Cummins pointed out the similarities between homeopathy and PCR testing producing something from nothing. Money in the case of homeopathy and also a major byproduct in PCR.

249525 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #83 of 1842 🔗

You may doubt it, but the immune system starting to attack the muscles and organs in a cytokine storm triggered by a viral infection is a scientific fact. Use your Googling finger on Guillaine Barre syndrome, Kawasaki disease etc etc. It would actually be a bit strange if CV19 never eventuated in this in some subjects. Why do steroids help to combat this? Because they damp down the immune system. Why are some people more susceptible than others – women certainly are? Its a genetic and sex linked factor in the way their bodies process steroids, hormones.

249717 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Sylvie, -2, #84 of 1842 🔗

Housewife illnesses, in other words. Children far too old to be an excuse, don’t want to work for a living, what’s the answer? A ‘syndrome’, of course. And the body attacking itself is the ultimate narcissm.

250010 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #85 of 1842 🔗

I bet you’re one of those who never believed in others’ period pains, either. “Get over yourself, run 3 times round the hockey field, that’ll do the trick!”

250658 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Sylvie, 2, #86 of 1842 🔗

susceptibility depends upon the state of the immune system and previous vaccines do not help. Look what happened after the swine flu vaccine! Narcolpesy!

249190 ▶▶ nat, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #87 of 1842 🔗

Must have been a troll.

249596 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #88 of 1842 🔗

CCP bot most likely.

248916 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 46, #89 of 1842 🔗

What are we dealing with here?

Cameron describes the pig dictator as a slippery pig (a bit rich coming from him but hey ho)

Rory Stewart describes the PD as the most accomplished liar in public life in the UK today

The PD’s own family have disowned him

Let’s go back to the weekend of the second lockdown leak

We are asked to believe that the PD had been told that 4,000 a day would die by December if there was no lockdown; and with a heavy heart he was considering the options.

Then the leak and he is ‘bounced ‘ into locking everyone up

Leak enquiry. Every suspects phone is examined

Low and behold the evidence is found to sack Cain and Cummings

Princess Nut Nuts seizes power

Remember the Sunday night press conference? Delay after delay. The sense of drama? (even though an insider said the PD was actually watching the rugby)

So who leaked the document?

Well, follow the money

The PD always knew what was on those phones. The whole thing was contrived and a confection

Innocent people locked up and prevented from seeing their grandchild in order to get rid of Cummings and install PNN

This whole rotten edifice needs tearing down

248922 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 11, #90 of 1842 🔗

Can I have one of those machines with a ball on a chain that knocks walls down? Always wanted a go on one of those.
Oops, sorry, Mr Wancock, I just didn’t see you.

249815 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #91 of 1842 🔗
249798 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #92 of 1842 🔗

Mister Prime Minister, tear down this wall!

248921 annie, replying to annie, 66, #93 of 1842 🔗

You’ve got to admit that Bozo is erring on the side of caution. Five Covvie reinfections ‘confirmed’ globally .
Five out of more than seven billion people. We tremble, yes we tremble.
However, we can agree that Bozo is infectious, having spread enslavement, misery, despair, bankruptcy, terror and zombyist stupidity through the entire country.

248932 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 52, #94 of 1842 🔗

He has posted a pathetic comment that even though he has had the disease he has to follow the rules, but he is the PM does he not have some influence on the rules? The NHS is currently advertising for people who had Covid to donate blood plasma for the treatment of current patients, I understand this plasma treatment is proving effective. So that means that as a former covid sufferer Boris could offer to donate his blood plasma whilst at the same time self isolating!
I somehow do not think Winston Churchill or Margaret Thatched would have put up with this nonsense for 5 seconds. Apparently King George suggested to Churchill that the country should give up alcohol during the war, absurd said Churchill and opened another bottle of Champagne, I somehow cannot imagine him self isolating, cowering like a sniveling wimp in his wood shed.

248937 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #95 of 1842 🔗

Churchill’s annotation to a favourable memorandum
“Action This Day !”

bozo ‘I’ll just have to check with Carrie and get back to you’.

248992 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #96 of 1842 🔗

Clearly those who have had COVID need to be given new careers as blood plasma producers. They will be put up in shared accommodation (own bedroom/bathroom) and looked after by the NHS (bites lip to stop laugh) and will be required to donate blood plasma weekly for the common good.

249148 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #97 of 1842 🔗

People who have had Covid to donate their blood?

PCR positive you mean? Jesus. So someone who w as asymptomatic and for some reason got a test is now being asked to donate their magic beans? Yeah, nothing can go wrong

249618 ▶▶▶▶ D B, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #98 of 1842 🔗

I was in hospital in March and tested positive (was in for appendicitis) and then went to donate my blood plasma after I had recovered – they chucked it in the bin cos there wasn’t enough covid in it haha.

250376 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #99 of 1842 🔗

Johnson is following the rules because we are supposed to believe that without vaccination immunity is not possible. He is again doing his bit on behalf of Bill Gates.

248935 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 9, #100 of 1842 🔗

Now he’s been a good boy by getting rid of Dom and wotsisname he’s probably getting that ‘special thing you do’ from you know who.

249619 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 4, #101 of 1842 🔗

Shanghai grip?

248923 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 20, #102 of 1842 🔗

A brief comment on the AIDS panic , discussed in Nick Macleod’s article: when on a clinical placement-part of my degree course-a fellow mature student and I spent time in an outlying hospital ,one of whose patients was a young man suspected of being HIV+ve.

Our tutor adopted biohazard panic precautions- gown, mask, gloves etc, at which point we explained that the virus causing AIDS was transmitted by exchange of body fluids, usually by sexual or infected needle transmission, and that therefore the gown and mask outfit were entirely useless .

Furthermore the tutor’s anonymous impersonal appearance added to the unfortunate young patient’s fear and apprehension.

Gown and mask removed.

248926 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 12, #103 of 1842 🔗

I remember the tabloids asking. whether you could get AIDS off a toilet seat.

248928 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 8, #104 of 1842 🔗

Fouci said it could be transmitted by ‘casual social contact’.

248972 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #105 of 1842 🔗

Aha.Confirm toilet seat.

249621 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 2, #106 of 1842 🔗

He has much to answer for.

248973 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to wendyk, 18, #107 of 1842 🔗

Once as a church minister I helped a young man who was AIDS positive. He said that on one occasion police came to arrest him with bio hazard suits and riot shields.

248997 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Basileus, 5, #108 of 1842 🔗

Shocking; what goes around, comes around.

249477 ▶▶ stewart, replying to wendyk, 9, #109 of 1842 🔗

The big difference between the Covid and HIV/AIDS panics is that with AIDS it never occurred to governments to grind all social and economic activity to a halt in a mad, futile attempt to suppress it.

It seems that every new disease causes some degree of hysteria and over-reaction.

What is exceptional about this one is how easy it has been for governments to steal away our civil liberty, how willing the population has been to give it away and how much collateral damage we have all been willing to inflict on ourselves and others.

This is an unprecedented collective mental disorder.

249502 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stewart, 1, #110 of 1842 🔗

Correct

249910 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to stewart, 5, #111 of 1842 🔗

Totally agree. How on earth did the public fall for this load of shxxe from this load of shysters? The lockdown protests so far have been very low key. Can someone please think of a way of getting the message through to the malign quartet before our entire life goes down the proverbial plughole? Personally I’m up for anything legal. Can’t decide if I’m incandescent with fury, in despair , disgust or disbelief at the attitude of a great many of my fellow citizens. I’m 74 and unafraid.

248924 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 30, #112 of 1842 🔗

I know that opinions on vaccines are strongly held here. Personally, I need to travel for work, family and sanity, and if I need a vaccine in order to travel, I will want one. Whether it works is less important than having the piece of paper to wave at the various little Hitlers I will meet. Side-effects can come if they like – without my life as I wish to live it, there’s nothing to live for anyway.

However, Jonathan Van Tam has pronounced that private vaccinations, to circumvent the NHS’s incompetence and presumptuousness in dictating who is to receive the vaccine, will not be allowed. He cites nakedly ideological reasons. Pure socialist dictatorship.

248929 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 41, #113 of 1842 🔗

The other day there was a useful schematic on this site showing the extent to which the Pfizer vaccine works in a very different way to any of the traditional vaccines. I find its mode of action disturbing to say the least. The other thing that disturbs me is the way all this vaccine stuff is being manipulated in the name of money and power rather than any real concern for people’s health. To the extent that it is not at all clear that the vaccine proposed last week is actually a viable practical proposition?
It seems to me that these vaccine announcements are being used to convince us all to hang on a bit longer in misery until a vaccine comes along to save us. With no prospect of a vaccine we would be obliged to face reality and develop policies to enable us to live with the disease.
It is appalling that there is so much talk of a vaccine and so little about effective cures. Treatments for serious covid have got better and could do much better still but all the talk is about vaccines. We never got a vaccine for AIDS but we have got effective treatments, do we learn nothing?

In the end, if there is a vaccine I too may need it for International Travel but I still think we should be fully aware of what is happening and not be afraid to make our voice heard.

249047 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #114 of 1842 🔗

I agree. We’ve had the novel pathogen. Now we’re getting the novel vaccine. Isn’t directly affecting DNA genetic engineering? At a minimum there should be free and open discussion about this new approach. If it’s avoiding a toxic adjuvant (is it? ) that’s good but what else are we opening the door to?

249804 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #115 of 1842 🔗

It is appalling that there is so much talk of a vaccine and so little about effective cures.

Little talk, but plenty of activity. Treatments are ranging from antivirals for very early mitigation of severe disease (principally antibodies and more potent tablets – remdesivir is neither potent or a tablet), through to treatments for the inflammatory effects (dexamethasone is the first to work, baracitinib is coming and others are being tested). Treatments don’t prevent infection (much), and the public only really understand vaccines anyway.

Viruses are really only self-assembly programs. the mRNA vaccine is like giving a subroutine to assemble part of the virus. It’s pretty cool. The next level up is to give part of the virus (spike protein) itself, and the final level is to give a whole virus which may be a mix of non-replicating foreign virus with the protein on the outside (Oxford), killed vaccine, or live but attenuated. All of these are being tested.

248930 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #116 of 1842 🔗

The NHS dislikes people who ‘jump the queue’ by going private.
Some years ago I damaged my back and while waiting 6 months for the NHS to spring into action was feeling some considerable pain.

I was recommended a chiropractor by an associate so went there weekly for pain relief (£40.00 a pop, very well worth it). When I asked them they suggested it was probably for the best that I did not tell the NHS for that very reason.

249470 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to karenovirus, 2, #117 of 1842 🔗

Literally a “pop”.

249582 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to karenovirus, 1, #118 of 1842 🔗

And yet were it not for ‘going private’ the NHS would be swamped.

Ditto schools.

248938 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 49, #119 of 1842 🔗

I’m sure none of us would blame anybody for taking the vaccine. What we object to is people being forced to take it, or being pilloried for choosing not to.

248953 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 23, #120 of 1842 🔗

Indeed. And I’ve seen the whites of the NHS’s ideological eyes before, notably when they refused to allow private companies to share materials and participate in clinical research earlier this year. But I found Van Tam’s answer to that question about private vaccination particularly shocking. It was all dressed up in the usual “our wonderful nhs” rubbish, of course. But it was pure totalitarianism. Bloody awful man.

248959 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 32, #121 of 1842 🔗

A dawning, terrible realisation, not least for me since March is that the NHS kills or damages people either through sins of omission or sins of commission.

249175 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Cambridge N, 14, #122 of 1842 🔗

I read a post on a local ‘Live’ page from a current nurse who said that, far from having a right to treatment from the NHS because they had paid into it for 50 or more years (my father since the day it began), old people had used up all their credits and should expect to be sacrificed for the feckless and obese who had never worked in their lives, and for recent entrants to the country.

That is the mindset that threw the elderly out of hospitals to infect others in care homes, is is now subjecting those left in care homes to inhuman incarceration. Meanwhile my father is terrified to attend hospital for tests into what may be bowel cancer because, at nearly 90, he believes that it will kill him. He’s more afraid of the hospital than the potential cancer, and he was married to a nurse for years.

249642 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #123 of 1842 🔗

I’m with your father I’m afraid, best of luck to both of you. NHS disabled my father with a lumbar puncture and then refused him treatment or respite while we rushed to convert his house because he had too much saved despite having paid in since the beginning and paid taxes for 70 years. They got my lecture about his having fought totalitarianism from Japan to USSR for 31 years in the Indian and then British armies. Made no difference of course but I felt a litttle better.

249217 ▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to Cambridge N, 11, #124 of 1842 🔗

I once suggested to a Nurse that the NHS should adopt the philosophy of Chinese medicine. Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners would only be paid if their patients remained healthy. This suggestion was greeted with horror.
But I’m afraid we have multiple systems in all areas of society that reward failure. If we could turn that around, that’s the kind of “reset” I could support.

249916 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Cambridge N, 2, #125 of 1842 🔗

It’s a monster totally out of control.

249002 ▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #126 of 1842 🔗

I do fear for my future with no travel to look forward to. At the moment my principles will win, but not sure for how long. I long to see the other parts of the world, and share experiences with my OH and kids. It’s what we work for – nothing else comes close. We collect memories, not stuff.

249296 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to CGL, 16, #127 of 1842 🔗

That freedom will not return after taking a vaccine. The only way it returns is when those who have done this to us are held to account.

249612 ▶▶ rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #128 of 1842 🔗

perhaps we can just slip a doctor £50 just to get the travel passport without the vaccine?

249627 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to rose, 1, #129 of 1842 🔗

Try eBay.

249914 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #130 of 1842 🔗

But since March 23rd we have been living under a tyranny. When Sir Graham Brady says that if these measures were in place in a totalitarian state we would condemn them as evil, he is totally correct. Only trouble is, our politicians are happily in thrall to the diktats of mad scientists.and they all love having power over us. Any ideas for a revolution eagerly received

248925 annie, replying to annie, 7, #131 of 1842 🔗
248933 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 2, #132 of 1842 🔗

“It’s above and beyond what we would expect for *influence* and skin infections’.

They need a copy editor.

248936 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #133 of 1842 🔗

They need a brain editor.

248971 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to annie, 7, #134 of 1842 🔗

Reminiscent of Catch 22. Or ‘Catch 23’ as I once heard a non-native speaker misname it. But a nice coinage, I think, meaning even worse than Catch 22.

248927 wendyk, 32, #135 of 1842 🔗

“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”
Edmund Burke

“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.”
Edmund Burke

“Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.”
Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France

The thoughts of a wise man; wisdom ,common sense and moral courage are now consigned to the social and political lost and found.

Escape route needed.

248934 Laurence, 4, #136 of 1842 🔗

I’ve noticed that a particular correspondent who has often posted in disagreement with my comments has been conspicuous by his silence the last few days – am I to assume that he now accepts that I am correct ?

Please respond either way – you can read my post from yesterday.

248939 Danny, replying to Danny, 79, #137 of 1842 🔗

A supermarket near me has reintroduced the rule that NHS workers can jump the queue. Although there are a great many brave, extremely hard working and poorly paid people in the healthcare system, and always have been, the idea that in theory my GP, who has refused to see anyone without a zoom meeting or photo of an ailment since March, should be given hero status, is particularly galling. Many in this profession should be slow clapped out of shops, not given special treatment.
Have spoken to quite a few friends who work in hospitals (nurses etc) who all admit how bored they are with nothing to do.

248945 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Danny, 89, #138 of 1842 🔗

I agree. We were asked a few months ago whether we were doing special rates for NHS staff. We responded “certainly not”.

My business has been virtually sacrificed on the altar of saving this busted flush monolith, why the hell should I subsidise someone on full pay.

250738 ▶▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to kh1485, 1, #139 of 1842 🔗

Yes special high rates….I’d charge them 50% extra and tell them to start doing the job they are bloody paid for

248976 ▶▶ steph, replying to Danny, 55, #140 of 1842 🔗

Boycott them. If they have decided another group of the public are more important than you then go somewhere that treats you as an equal.
This NHS worship turns my stomach.

248994 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Danny, 61, #141 of 1842 🔗

Same here. Plus said supermarket also announced on Twitter that they were going to extend discount to teachers.

Hot off the heels of the teachers’ union demanding that the schools shut, you can imagine that proposal went down like a lead balloon.

What makes them special? Are they not being paid for a job that they’ve been contracted to do? Personally I would rather the discounts & special shopping hours be given to cleaners, bin men, delivery drivers.

249022 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #142 of 1842 🔗

So would I!

249151 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Bart Simpson, 32, #143 of 1842 🔗

i’d rather discount to all those who have lost their jobs and livelihoods uneccessarily due to the government’s incompetent in managing the economy!

249193 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sue, 14, #144 of 1842 🔗

Agree. What’s galling with the discounts for the NHS workers & teachers is that someone else is actually paying for the difference which means the rest of us.

249581 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #145 of 1842 🔗

Yep.
The only ‘good’ thing, which they don’t grasp yet, of course, is that they and all civil servants and final salary pensioners will jump from their current position at the top of the food chain to the one at the very bottom immediately after the catastrophes have occurred, for at least a generation.
German Civil servants and retirees were back and stayed in the poorhouse from 1945 to 1975.

249407 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #146 of 1842 🔗

this is the COVID equivalent of Danegeld. Ransom to the thugs who wield the power (even with a ‘Conservative’ government). Expect we’ll still be raped and pillaged for the collective kow tow.

249767 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #147 of 1842 🔗

Does this supermarket begin with M by any chance?

250014 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #148 of 1842 🔗

If you mean Morrisons, they have a banner outside our local which says exactly that i.e. they are giving discounts to our ‘hero’ teachers or some such drivel. MW

249010 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Danny, 35, #149 of 1842 🔗

ALDI and Tesco are doing the same near us. I could use the system but I refuse as why should I have any special treatment because of the job I do? It made a certain sense back in March when people on shift couldn’t buy essentials as they had disappeared, but there’s absolutely no reason now. I have really hated the whole deification of the NHS over the past 9 months.

249031 ▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to p02099003, 64, #150 of 1842 🔗

If anyone deserves special treatment it should be the delivery drivers who have worked throughout the pandemic on crap pay, crossing paths with 1000’s of people, ensuring the terrified middle classes can stay ‘safe’ at home. Teachers?!! You have got to be kidding.

249074 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to The Spingler, 10, #151 of 1842 🔗

Most definitely; unsung heroes

249102 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Spingler, 24, #152 of 1842 🔗

Didn’t someone describe lockdown as so that the rich middle classes can stay home while the working class go to work or something to that effect?

249186 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Bart Simpson, 41, #153 of 1842 🔗

Lockdowns are middle class people hiding while working class people bring them things.

249195 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Caroline Watson, 6, #154 of 1842 🔗

That’s the one, cheers!

249201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #155 of 1842 🔗

Not a god comment. This is nothing to do with rich versus poor, young versus old or any such divisive groupings. If you must have groupings it is those who have common sense versus the rest. My experience is that those who are critical of the nonsense come from all walks of life and indeed I have often been surprised that totally contrary to my expectations some people have been very critical indeed. It is also very clear that the ranks of the sceptics are growing – people that I talk to when I am out and about are now much more openly critical of what the politicians are doing. We are moving in the right direction albeit more slowly than I would like, but at least there is now movement.

249205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to Guirme, 3, #156 of 1842 🔗

Strangely religious typo – third word should be “good”!

249240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Guirme, 6, #157 of 1842 🔗

Spot on! There is no defining group of believers or non believers. The range of types across both camps cannot be easily categorised. What there is is two very polarised positions. There appears no middle ground on this crises. It’s similar to how the recent Brexit referendum played out.

249426 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alan P, 5, #158 of 1842 🔗

Divide and rule.

249383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Guirme, 7, #159 of 1842 🔗

Politicians with their guaranteed salaries are insulated against the poverty that many who’ve been made unemployed from lockdown are suddenly finding themselves in.

It absolutely is a class issue, especially in Italy where people are literally starving

Italian woman protests against lockdown which has destroyed her life and caused hunger for her and her child:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1321785323676991489?s=20

249523 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Guirme, 1, #160 of 1842 🔗

Bart is comparing the middle classes comfortably WFH while the workers supply their needs.
Whether they believe the nonsense is another matter.

249838 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Guirme, 2, #161 of 1842 🔗

Skeptics United. The latest entry to the Premier League. Need uniforms, boots, socks, logos.

250710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Guirme, #162 of 1842 🔗

i really hope more will be against getting the vaccine i want to travel and i wont get this vaccine .anyone else feel that way?

249114 ▶▶▶▶ Danny, replying to The Spingler, 35, #163 of 1842 🔗

Completely agree. And I am a teacher myself. As such I am lucky enough to have not lost my job and I consider it my responsibility to be in school, teaching. The attempts by the unions to further terrify an entire generation of kids and deprive them of learning and being with friends is shameful.

249530 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Danny, 3, #164 of 1842 🔗

Hat off to you Danny.

249173 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to The Spingler, 10, #165 of 1842 🔗

Couldn’t agree more – and posties too.

249098 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Danny, 44, #166 of 1842 🔗

Blunt this may be, but working as a healthcare professional does not make you ‘brave’. The risks are a known quantity when you embark on a career in the health sector – dealing with the ill, the sick and the dying. This hero worship of people doing the job they chose really needs to be put into some perspective. Someone working in close contact with lepers in a leprosy colony, such as past missionaries was brave and self sacrificial, a soldier defying gun fire to save a colleague is brave, diving into a cold river to save someone’s life at risk of your own is brave, if we continue to abuse the definition of words such as ‘brave’, what words are left for those who truly meet the real definition.

249170 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Nsklent, 42, #167 of 1842 🔗

When I came back from overseas after 2 tours with a nice C PTSD and minus 3 of my best friends nobody told me I can jump a queue at a supermarket, or gave me any discounts. Nobody even noticed besides our neibhourghs student daughter who told me one day at a barbecue that I disgusts her as I went there to kill innocents ( apparently she learned that at Warwick Uni). Besides that there was no adulation , no clapping , no Save our forces campaigns, no adverts. That is why I refused to clap when this whole thing kicked off..Ok I lie, I did it once for my daughter as it meant a lot to her. I would clap for all the other people, the supermarket workers, the postmen, the milkman, the cleaners etc who went to work every day during this Plandemic and got ZERO acknowledgment.

249116 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Danny, 21, #168 of 1842 🔗

I agree. I work in the NHS and have been working very hard trying to provide a good service to my patients despite the restrictions we’re forced to work under. But with a 40 hour working week and the shops open for 60-70 hours a week there is plenty of time for shopping without needing to jump the queue!

249181 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Danny, 14, #169 of 1842 🔗

And presumably they are all jumping the queue in clothes that have spent several hours in hospitals and are, thereby, shedding virus all over the supermarket.

249232 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Danny, 15, #170 of 1842 🔗

I hate this faux favouritism virtue signalling bullshit.

I watched a fat sunburned twatt of a woman jump a huge queue outside my Waitrose back in May and try to blag her way in with her stupid ID card. The security were checking her out as they had watched her when she arrived in her car and checked out her ID very carefully.

I honestly couldn’t believe the sheer front of the woman.

The cheek.

I would never do that even if I did have a pass that would allow queue jumping.
Mrs 2-6 can show her carers pass id thing and jump queues but she would dream of trying to use that “privileged”.

249828 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Danny, 4, #171 of 1842 🔗

Slow clap them when they jump the queue.

249939 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Danny, 3, #172 of 1842 🔗

I’ve always been suspicious of the notion that certain professions are more “virtuous” than others and should therefore be given privileged treatment. When there was still a coal mining industry some people said “It’s a tough job, they deserve high pay”. Similar things were said about nurses. But if you try to grade all professions according to presumed virtue it becomes absurd.

248944 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 27, #173 of 1842 🔗

Bojo self isolating: If I was mean spirited, l might say: “how convenient”
IF?

248946 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #174 of 1842 🔗

I just wish he would self-isolate for good.

248948 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 9, #175 of 1842 🔗

All together now:”AND SO SAY ALL OF US!!!!”
PS: AND ALL THE EXPERTS AND ADVISERS AND MOST OF ALL, THE COLLABORATORS, SHEEP AND MASKATEERS.

248955 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #176 of 1842 🔗

Been said many times by Daily Mail commenters.

248966 ▶▶ steph, replying to Fingerache Philip., 27, #177 of 1842 🔗

Yes, just issuing the same old lies via the WhatsApp group and then going into hiding. He must know by now that test & trace and the vaccine are not going to “save us”, not least because we don’t need to be saved.
He also knows that documented cases of reinfection are rarer than hen’s teeth.
However he is going to perpetuate the lie and keep us in prison until 2nd December at the earliest.
Sir Graham, how many letters are in the drawer so far? Hopefully many more will arrive early this week now we know Bojo lets his 32 year old fiancée have more say that backbenchers or indeed cabinet.
What a fool of an excuse for a PM.

248974 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, 14, #178 of 1842 🔗

How much longer will the “Sheep, etc” believe an argument that the government has clearly lost?

248978 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #179 of 1842 🔗

At the same time the NHS is advertising for people who have had covid to donate blood plasma, boris qualifies to be a donor and so he can donate plasma to help others while self isolating himself? Is there no opposition to all this madness?

248996 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #180 of 1842 🔗

Don’t believe him. Bet this is to take the heat off Alexandra (aka Princess NutNuts – did I get that right?) and Rasputin.

249079 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #181 of 1842 🔗

Who the hell as ever believed him?

249103 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #182 of 1842 🔗

You’d be surprised.

249842 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #183 of 1842 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR9T0sH1xH4
Marilyn Monroe: You’d be surprised

249763 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #184 of 1842 🔗

I’ll happily volunteer to help Johnson ‘self-isolate’. I’ll pop round to No. 10 with some bricks and mortar and carry out a little re-creation of The Cask Of Amontillado. And, as each brick is laid, I promise you (Scout’s Honour) that I’ll take no pleasure at all in his piteous cries of “For the love of God, Montresor!”. Chin chin.

249840 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ed Turnbull, #185 of 1842 🔗

Enjoy the Sherry.

248950 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 53, #186 of 1842 🔗

I picked up some furniture from Ikea over the weekend. Closing the store greatly improved the Ikea experience. Instead of having to walk all the way through the route only to find the shelf empty, I ordered online and someone brought the packs to my car. So plus one for lockdown.

But there were more than 15 people there, and the idea that buying pre-packed crap is essential and baptisms are illegal is chilling and wrong. This legislation is evil.

248987 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Recusant, 31, #187 of 1842 🔗

I’m an atheist and I love shopping. And I profoundly agree with you.

248951 Disbelief, replying to Disbelief, 19, #188 of 1842 🔗

People WANT to be asleep.
They don’t WANT to have to THINK.

They want the news to tell them what to do next and what to be outraged about. So they can commiserate with their coworkers and feel like they’re apart of a group.

They want to go out every month or so and see a movie in theaters.

They want to scroll their news feeds and find things to agree with.

They want to be sedentary, fed and in a comatose.

Critical thinking is hard and to be fair, the large majority lack the intelligence and awareness to objectively pick apart historical/current events.

That is why, the youth is the answer. They always have been. That’s why the media has thrown EVERYTHING in their arsenal to manipulate them.

The youth are the only ones (realistically) that are actually living and paying attention. The sad part is, they’re too naive/ignorant to really use deductive reasoning properly. Also they’re PUMPED with hormones.

They’re the only ones WILLING to overthrow ANYTHING! They aren’t invested into society. They are the keys.

249008 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Disbelief, 11, #189 of 1842 🔗

There are few my kids know who will rebel – their whole lives thus far have been in a virtue-signalling cloud of brain-washed nonsense fed to them by teachers, who are young enough to have had the same done to them.
This young cohort are very difficult to persuade that it is their job to rebel and fight against the system.

249021 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Disbelief, 9, #190 of 1842 🔗

The millenials are far gone – from my experience they’re more likely to believe in the propaganda and have been ruthlessly conformist with following the rules but its the ones after them who seem to be more sceptical and are seemingly more likely to push back,

248952 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #191 of 1842 🔗

Rushi Sunak reported in the Mail as considering charging motorists £1.50 per mile to cover the loss of £40billion in fuel tax as johnson nudges us towards electric cars.
All part of the Reset or do they just want the money?
It will, of course, have no greater impact on those who choose to drive gas guzzling SUVs rather than compact hybrids or indeed electric vehicles.

248956 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to karenovirus, 7, #192 of 1842 🔗

That’s insane. To pay that much in fuel duty at present you’d need to have a car which only did about two miles to the gallon. Pre-corona, my wife and I commuted together in our car, driving about 50 miles a day. That costs us about £5. Sunak would have us pay £75 to do the same journey. Since it’s not possible to get to work on public transport from here (at least not if you want to work sane hours) that would make it impractical for us to continue working unless we could continue to work from home.

249123 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Andrew Fish, 17, #193 of 1842 🔗

Well you have to remember that one of the primary objectives of government policy over the next few years will have to be finding ways to massively fleece us all, over and above the fleecing that routinely takes place or just replacing any additional losses in revenue due to other panic policies such as forcing an over rapid change from petrol and diesel to electric, to recover the money they’ve splurged to assuage their own panic over this new cold virus.

Never forget. Never forgive.

And remember that applies to both the government who did it to us and the Labour “opposition” who wanted to do worse.

249157 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrew Fish, 5, #194 of 1842 🔗

I think your concluding sentence might rather be the point.

249847 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #195 of 1842 🔗

Practical thinking is not his forte. It’s too complicated for his muddled brain.

249055 ▶▶ paulito, replying to karenovirus, 14, #196 of 1842 🔗

Remember the reports thatSunak was going to resign if there was a second round of house arrest while in reality, he extended furlough, one of the main things underpinning the whole scam. Sunak is just as culpable as De Piffle Johnson.

249247 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 7, #197 of 1842 🔗

We have all seen those purple plastic pipes they have been laying beside the motorways. Ever wondered what they are for?

They are so that they can support a network of RFID sensors above the roadway that detects your vehicles RFID tag as you pass. This is to enable pay per mile charging.

The next step is for the Tories to literally sell off the motorway network. Ker ching!

Also those blue cameras that are everywhere else. That’s the “Road Angel” network. This uses numberplate recognition to “monitor trafic levels” at the moment…However this network can be used to again base a pay per mile charging system on.

Oh yes they will scrap road tax, hurray say all the motorists…..

249276 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Two-Six, 5, #198 of 1842 🔗

How people will moan once payback time comes.

They have been completely scammed by the establishment for years, theres nothing emergency about their introduction.

249658 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 2, #199 of 1842 🔗

Wait until you find out about his capital gains and wealth tax plans. 33 million cars x 10,000 miles x £1.50 = 495 billion (thousand million) so some maths issues there.

249843 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #200 of 1842 🔗

Sunak is a dangerous idiot.

248954 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 40, #201 of 1842 🔗

The word proportionality keeps coming to mind: the entire government strategy to date,and for the foreseeable future, is disproportionate, based as it is, on sloganising,mass manipulation, suppression of informed dissent, denial of informed consent, doom laden forecasts based on dodgy data and repudiation and ostracism of dissenting experts.

How can a supposedly mature democracy continue to promote this increasingly shaky agenda?

The chaos now unfolding at no 10, reflects the shoddy lack of conviction and integrity amongst our establishment members, both in the media, the government and the various affluent members of the so called chumocracy.

Are gagging , widespread anomie and repression likely to maintain the trust of the hitherto gullible and compliant public indefinitely?

And how exactly does no 10 expect to deal with the finalising of the Brexit negotiations, particularly the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Ireland Protocol, the SNP’s apparent mastery of the propaganda war, the looming recession and the mass redundancies?

Boris is floundering, rudderless and Carrieified.

249111 ▶▶ Mark, replying to wendyk, 12, #202 of 1842 🔗

The word proportionality keeps coming to mind: the entire government strategy to date,and for the foreseeable future, is disproportionate, based as it is, on sloganising,mass manipulation, suppression of informed dissent, denial of informed consent, doom laden forecasts based on dodgy data and repudiation and ostracism of dissenting experts .”

Never forget. Never forgive.

248958 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 39, #203 of 1842 🔗

Boris Johnson ‘said partner would be angry’

https://mol.im/a/8951629

”But a number10 figure claimed Miss Symonds ‘bombards’ (Mr Johnson) with texts and everyone in Downing Street knows about their rows.
I used to get angry with him for letting her get away with it, but now I just feel sorry. He looks very unhappy. It is as though she has taken him hostage. It cannot go on because it is terrible for our country”

Yes, she definitely has him by the short and curlies. I posted my concerns yesterday that she may be high maintenance.

I know from personal experience how this type of person (man or woman) works. They go after their prey, all sweetness and light. Once the prey is captured, the captor turns into a demanding monster, becomes pregnant or ensures that their partner becomes pregnant, creates a child who can be used as a bargaining tool and rules their victim by threats and text messages.

If Bozo walks away from Carrie and their baby now, he will be accused of being a heartless beast. If he does not, she will continue to wield power over him without being elected.

This will not end well for the country or for Bozo. More fool him.

248964 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Margaret, 21, #204 of 1842 🔗

My thoughts exactly: the speedy conception and pregnancy , following yet another instance of Boris’s wandering willy exploits seemed to me to be a hook with which to ensure control and demand for the long term.

A classic power grab.

Boris has now lost the little credibility he had back in the day.

249858 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendyk, 1, #205 of 1842 🔗

Boris’s Wandering Willy. The Wanderer and his Willy Shadow.

248981 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Margaret, 22, #206 of 1842 🔗

See also Meghan.

248983 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Margaret, 8, #207 of 1842 🔗

Pig Dictator and Princess Nut Nuts are both full-blown NPD. They deserve each other.

248989 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Margaret, 9, #208 of 1842 🔗

But he is a heartless beast. Character is destiny, and this is where his character is leading us.

249004 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 13, #209 of 1842 🔗

This to me reeks of Harry and Meghan Part 2. Both men are trapped and are reaping what they’ve sown.

249451 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Margaret, 3, #210 of 1842 🔗

Classic Lady Macbeth stuff.

248962 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 11, #211 of 1842 🔗

Having read up until the reader who kindly added the information that our dictator, sorry, leader has up her sleeve for Scotland in the coming weeks, makes me leave a comment.

She may give a reprieve to us on Christmas day by moving temporarily tier 4 down to tier 2. How extremely generous of her. Just in case anyone is unclear ( most of Scotland certainly is) on what the tiers this dictator dreamed up to punish us is, tier 4 is LOCKDOWN, there is no tier 5 as she decided on tier 0.

So for Christmas day the little stasi is allowing the Scots to have Christmas dinner outside, yes outside in groups of no more than 6, in Scotland, on the west coast of Scotland where the wind blows every time there is as storm somewhere over the Atlantic and as for the rain well, let’s leave it at that.

Now I know my fellow skeptics believe me but just in case here is tier 2 rules from our dictatorships website.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-protection-levels/pages/protection-level-2/

I can only hope this reader is wrong but somehow I don’t think so.

248968 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Just about sane, 6, #212 of 1842 🔗

I’m dreading the next step up in the incarceration stakes, living,as I do, on the wet and windy West Coast; the current monsoon promises to be with us for some time yet.

Masks everywhere, zombies abound, Sturgeonising ad nauseam.

249196 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to wendyk, 1, #213 of 1842 🔗

Are there any sceptical MPs (or MSPs) in Scotland, in any party?

249215 ▶▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to kf99, 6, #214 of 1842 🔗

My MP and MSP are both SNP extreme nutters who will hear no criticism whatsoever of their mad leader. Scotland has become a very evil dictatorship.

249255 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Guirme, 2, #215 of 1842 🔗

It really has. Utterly evil. Such a shame.

249284 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kf99, 3, #216 of 1842 🔗

No, unfortunately not.
I’ve challenged my MP by email recently, hoping that she, as a former consultant surgeon,would respond at least with some consideration of the many points raised: nothing.

248963 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 38, #217 of 1842 🔗

I wrote to my MP yesterday:

Dear Catherine,

Let me be clear, I do not think anyone should ever put false information up on the web but if people are prevented from discussing vaccine data or experiences this will give a false picture. Politicians have a completely unrealistic view. For example, last year Jon Ashworth wrote an editorial in The Times where he only gave a single example of “vaccine misinformation”:

“I’ve found posts from terrified parents asking for advice on how to make sure their newborn babies aren’t taken away from them shortly after birth to be vaccinated.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-government-can-t-just-blame-social-media-for-our-vaccination-crisis-cffq2bwhp

But, in fact, he did not understand what he was reading because the correspondents were almost certainly writing from the US where infants are given Hep B vaccine at birth. I wonder whether he cares about his own piece of vaccine misinformation – he did seem appalled that an infant should be vaccinated at birth and perhaps he should speak out further against this barbaric American practice. Perhaps he should be prosecuted for his own misinformation, I don’t know.

Meanwhile, Labour is indifferent to the “chumocracy” behind government contracts including presumably vaccine contracts.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/george-pascoe-watson-among-lobbyists-given-secret-access-to-covid-meetings-tzxkc0jkp

Or note the excellent editorial by Kamran Abbasi at BMJ: “Covid politicisation, “corruption” and the suppression of science”.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425

I fear Labour have been so busy virtue signalling during the Covid episode that they have failed to do any useful or competent job as an opposition.

The cult of the immaculate vaccine deserves ridicule. We have no idea whether there will ever be a safe effective Covid vaccine and actually it seems very unlikely: the only certainty is the industry will clean us out with Labour helping by trying to suppress information and debate.

249479 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Stone, 3, #218 of 1842 🔗

Excellent. It sums up the traps they will end up laying for themselves. To try and police misinformation is absolutely impossible.

248965 PastImperfect, 3, #219 of 1842 🔗

There are some good interviews on this site

https://lawfulrebel.com/

Check out 119

248969 TJN, replying to TJN, 3, #220 of 1842 🔗

Apologies for dumb technical legal question.

I think I remember reading, on here or elsewhere, that you can’t be arrested for breaking the current covid restrictions – e.g. not wearing a mask, or meeting at someone’s house. Is this correct?? Would Piers Corbyn agree?

If you can’t be arrested, how can you be fined (unless you want to be)? If you are stopped and questioned, can’t you just refuse to say anything, and eventually they have to let you go?

I’m sure there is probably a simple explanation here – probably that you can be arrested, at least if you persist in your actions – and would be grateful if anyone could cast some light on the proper procedures.

Incidentally, I understand that if you are driving a vehicle you are obliged to give a police officer your details, but am happy to be corrected on this.

248975 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TJN, 2, #221 of 1842 🔗

My understanding is that the lockdown & facemask rules are Statutory Instruments (SIs) made under the Public Health Act, I think that you can be fined fro breaking the requirements of those statutory instruments. I think that people are getting arrested for public order offences which it is quite easy for the police to do.
The validity of the covid SIs made under the Public Health Act are being questioned.

248979 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #222 of 1842 🔗

Yes, that makes sense, and ties in with my current understanding.

But if you are in breach of one of the covid SIs and are challenged by a police officer and you simply refuse to say anything, what can the police officer do? Arrest you?

249067 ▶▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to TJN, 2, #223 of 1842 🔗

As I understand it, you have to identify yourself to any police officer reasonably suspecting the commission of a criminal offence by you, so you have to give name, address and DoB if asked (if you refuse, you will be arrested and hauled to the police station where steps will be taken to identify you by eg searching your wallet or other means). If you do give your details without being arrested in response to the requirement to do so, the officer can then give you a fixed penalty notice without arresting you. If you pay that, that’s the end of the matter (although the notice will show on a criminal record check for a time at least and may have consequences for eg getting a visa to the USA or other countries or certain job applications). If you don’t pay it or challenge it within the time allowed, it racks up as a fine and can be enforced as if it were a fine (possibly imprisonment, but only after a long process). If you challenge it within the time allowed, you may/will get summonsed to court to plead guilty or not guilty. If you plead guilty you will get fined (at a rate higher than the FPN) and that is enforceable as any other fine. If you plead not guilty you will be tried before the magistrates and may be found guilty (and then fined even more than if you had pled guilty) or found not guilty (end of story). The police don’t need to arrest you to start off the process with the issue of a FPN.

249076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Gillian, 1, #224 of 1842 🔗

I didn’t think these FPN’s appeared on criminal record checks if you just paid up. If they do, that could be a big problem for some of us.

249086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #225 of 1842 🔗

In Scotland, they show up on an enhanced criminal record check for a period of time. Situation in England probably similar. It depends what sort of check the checking authority is carrying out. For some jobs (eg working with children) it will be an enhanced check but the existence of the notice on your record would not necessarily rule you out but it would show up and then would depend on the relevance to the potential employer. For visa purposes for some countries, anything on your record could be problematic.

249138 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Gillian, 2, #226 of 1842 🔗

Thanks. Just did a quick bit of research. It seems that in England, FPNs would not be listed on a basic disclosure but can be added to an enhanced one at the discretion of the police. Apparently it’s unusual for them to do so, but in these strange times who knows.

249127 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Gillian, #227 of 1842 🔗

Many thanks Gillian for such a comprehensive explanation.

Am I correct to infer that infringing the covid SIs constitutes a criminal – i.e. arrestable – offence?

249241 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to TJN, #228 of 1842 🔗

no read the legislation, the word arrest does not appear anywhere in the text at all.

249540 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, 1, #229 of 1842 🔗

I think the regulations come under Civil Law, therefore you wouldn’t be committing a criminal offence.

249154 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Gillian, 1, #230 of 1842 🔗

That’s appalling!

I say the UK is a totalitarian shit hole

249237 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Gillian, 2, #231 of 1842 🔗

You are not committing a criminal offence, the SI under health legislation is not an act of parliament, and the penalties (FPN) are exactly the same type of penalties as parking tickets. They are enforced by fines. You cannot be arrested for any contravention of the SI. Police and various others ie Envirnomental officers, who are specifically employed to monitor compliance with health legisilation ie rats in the kitchen etc can issue FPN’s you never see the police enforcing restaurant cleanliness FPN’s do you. The FPN’s being isssued are under the same statute (not law) as the restaurant and other health checks.
Its utter bollocks. So yes if you are stopped in the street for walking too close etc by some snivelling PCSO, likewise COVID marshals what ever that means have no powers whatsoever. I believe that you are OK just to refuse to give details, they cant arrest you, carry copy of the SI on your phone MabelCow issued a link to it, then you will always be better informed than who ever is challenging you. Here is a link to the day to day management of health regulations which the government is using to enforce lockdown and all the other restrictions. Notice reason and proportionality is key to enforcement, his should be done at every stage, not flying in mob handed as the police insist on doing. The charges for not complying with the FPN are just a scale of increased payments. Cautions and or prosections are for serious breaches of the legislation ie causing mass food poisoning of customers, repeated breaches of advice ie rats in the bakery, even there they are more likely to shut you down with advice that to re open you must put it all in order then you can reopen etc than sending it to the CPS
https://www.tunbridgewells.gov.uk/environment/environmental-health-enforcement-policy

249745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Iansn, #232 of 1842 🔗

Many thanks iansn – as I’ve replied to Quernus below, doesn’t this mean that, in effect, if a police officer asks why you are not wearing a mask, and you simply say because I don’t want to, he can’t arrest you, and can’t compel you to give him your name and address so he can fine you.

So the law is unenforceable? You only get a fine if you want one? (or they trick you.)

Incidentally, you’re not related to ianess on the Speccie site are you?

249236 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to TJN, 3, #233 of 1842 🔗

Have a read of this thread in The Light written by a former police officer. We should all keep this close at hand. It sets out very clearly what the police obligations are, and what they have to do to comply with PACE, etc.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1327725769745952777.html

249561 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Quernus, #234 of 1842 🔗

Great! Thanks.

249732 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Quernus, #235 of 1842 🔗

Thanks, I think I saw an extract of this on this site – hence my question.

The way I’m reading this though, is that if a police officer asks why you are not wearing a mask, and you simply say because I don’t want to, he can’t arrest you, and can’t compel you to give him your name and address so he can fine you.

In which case fines are voluntary?

248970 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 20, #236 of 1842 🔗

Adolf Johnson retreats to his bunker once more. How convenient.

249153 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 2, #237 of 1842 🔗

Someone should do another Downfall parody about this.

248977 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #238 of 1842 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/15/immune-systems-covid-19-politicians-virus

A somewhat confused article in the Guardian – acknowledges the body’s immune system and that the body does not retain substantial levels of antibodies after infection but can produce these if the virus in question reappears, but includes this bon mot:

“This suggests that vaccines may provide more potent, durable protection than natural infection.”

249014 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Ewan Duffy, 15, #239 of 1842 🔗

Isn’t it time we started calling these people “immunity deniers”?

248984 steve_w, 5, #240 of 1842 🔗

Symptomatics in UK continues to decline. Decline started before lockdown – lockdown just slowed it a bit (presumably locking up 500,000 symptomatics 24 hours with their families would do that)

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

248988 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 6, #241 of 1842 🔗

Carl H about to be on Talk Radio. Followed by Obergruppenfuhrer Hancock. Should be interesting.

248998 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #242 of 1842 🔗

Wanksock on GMB this morning apparently. Against my better judgement, I’ve tuned in. Piers is getting worse in the bedwetter stakes !

249013 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #243 of 1842 🔗

Brave!

249024 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #244 of 1842 🔗

FFS will you listen, they are on the list already I can’t keep adding them every day

There will no room for anyone else.

Their entries are already more numerous than PNN’s texts (well perhaps not) but I sure you know what I mean

I do have have a life you know, I never asked to spend my waking days writing PM and MH’s names on lists

I’d like to be taken out once in a while, you know to the pub or something, get my hair done, go to a restaurant

NO! I WILL NOT WAIT TILL DECEMBER YOU FECKIN CHEAPSKATE

249037 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 3, #245 of 1842 🔗

Just doing “a reccy”. Wanksock bumbling away already.

249043 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #246 of 1842 🔗

Your forgiven but I want something nice for Christmas, not the usual crap

249046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 2, #247 of 1842 🔗

Pig Dictator 2021 calendar?

249192 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cecil B, 2, #248 of 1842 🔗

You need to use a more recent version of Excel to avoid the 16,000 line limit 😉

249563 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #249 of 1842 🔗

Taking one for the team!

248999 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #250 of 1842 🔗

So the brain damaged pig dictator is going to be locked in cell for 14 days with Princess Nut Nuts

A fate worse than a fate worse than death as Captain Blackadder once opined

249006 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 8, #251 of 1842 🔗

Was he ACTUALLY “pinged” by the app? Is this verifiable? Was he pinged on a personal or work phone? Are the people he has been in contact with now going to have to needlessly isolate? All valid questions.

249053 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #252 of 1842 🔗

Not the people he has been in contact with, just him and others in contact with Lee Anderson. He said he was contacted by test and trace, so maybe nothing to do with the app (if it’s not all a fantasy). The app wouldn’t tell you who the contact was anyway.

249069 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #253 of 1842 🔗

They phone you, though as I understand it they don’t tell you who the contact was so he probably found that out directly. Whether they really phoned him or not is hard to say – he’s hardly going to announce he is self isolating and admit that T&T didn’t work. I suppose if he is lying someone could check the phone records.

The numbers they use to call you are on public record and can be pre-blocked easily on an iPhone

249250 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Julian, 2, #254 of 1842 🔗

a lot of people have given the No 10 switchboard number as their contact number 🙂

249628 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Iansn, #255 of 1842 🔗

He could have a test and be back at work in no time. Definitely a sham.

249038 ▶▶ helen, replying to Cecil B, 1, #256 of 1842 🔗

now that he’s out of a job the Donald might try to get your ones job off ‘ve him..if you are lucky (or do I mean unlucky who knows).. he’s been trying to get Angie’s job off’ve her….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp2A1lvoJRc&feature=youtu.be

249336 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 2, #257 of 1842 🔗

or it could have been staged?

249670 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, #258 of 1842 🔗

Poetic justice though, something to add to the gaiety of the Nation in these dark times.

249865 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #259 of 1842 🔗

Messalina Nut Nuts.

249000 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 17, #260 of 1842 🔗

While I am not in favour of rejecting JHB’s support for the anti-lockdown cause on the basis that she is not ‘all in’, she is driving me insane this morning. Banging on about lack of social distancing at Downing Street being the problem. Oh christ! Heneghan seems to be going along with this – apparently they should have been using Zoom. Shoot me now.

249003 ▶▶ anon, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #261 of 1842 🔗

agree

it’s sad to see

249009 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #262 of 1842 🔗

Agree. I can’t listen to the woman any more.

249033 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to kh1485, 3, #263 of 1842 🔗

Me neither. She’s nowhere near as smart as she thinks she is.

249044 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #264 of 1842 🔗

I fear that if Heneghan is man down, then it’s all immatieral.

249062 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #265 of 1842 🔗

He has been very cautious from the start, and stuck to his specialty. Whether that’s by inclination or because he doesn’t want to get attacked or defunded or accused of playing politics, we don’t know.

249068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 2, #266 of 1842 🔗

Indeed. But I didn’t think I’d hear him talking about extending school holidays, or, at this point, that work should be done via zoom – he used to be very clear that life could and should go on as normally as possible (or at least that’s what I understood him to say). I do think he’s falling into line increasingly, whatever the reason.

249118 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 5, #267 of 1842 🔗

And this is why the world is heading towards totalitarianism. Because scientists have abandoned science to protect their funding.

Their funding might make things less unpleasant for a while in a dystopia. Until it runs out

249734 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ben, 1, #268 of 1842 🔗

world is heading towards totalitarianism”
Indeed, so we need to support all those who are working to repeal the CV Act and bring this so-called government to heel.

249020 ▶▶ helen, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #269 of 1842 🔗

he’s part of the problem in my opinion these scientists just can not see the woods for the trees

249065 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to helen, 9, #270 of 1842 🔗

He has been consistent from early on in quietly and systematically debunking a huge part of what SAGE and the government have come out with, and has written very strongly, often, to criticise the approach. That doesn’t seem like being “part of the problem” to me.

249716 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Julian, #271 of 1842 🔗

He was prattling on about testing, testing, testing when I last heard him a couple of months ago. Not sure if he dare fully challenge the narrative.

249075 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Charlie Blue, 14, #272 of 1842 🔗

Just heard a replay of what Heneghan said. He said Boris set the rules and he has to abide by the rules – it is nothing to do with science and logic and everything to do with PR and staying on message.

249081 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #273 of 1842 🔗

That’s more like it. I only heard the first couple of minutes, so perhaps I was being unduly pessimistic

249095 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Pancho the Grey, #274 of 1842 🔗

That’s a relief! Thanks.

249107 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #275 of 1842 🔗

She’s controlled opposition. A Quisling. I don’t trust him either. Just my humble opinion

249001 arfurmo, 8, #276 of 1842 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/7-ways-protect-against-covid/ (paywall). My flabber is gasted. No mention of “wear a mask”.

249005 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #277 of 1842 🔗

Note to editors: baptism is not only for babies.

249007 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #278 of 1842 🔗

Isn’t a baptism central to the Catholic faith? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

249030 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #279 of 1842 🔗

Baptism is central to all Christians. Christ’s final command was to make disciples of all nations and baptise. It is the sine qua non of Christianity.

249012 Ben, 15, #280 of 1842 🔗

Shielding from the media whilst the establishment jostles to bring in totalitarianism via Keir Starmer

249015 A jab in the dark, 1, #281 of 1842 🔗

I recently had my seasonal ‘flu jab encountering my local GP Surgery looking more like an episode of Chernobyl, and I hope that in a year’s time that picture will have been replaced by the same warmer welcome of 2019. I am not anticipating a Covid-19 vaccine in the near future be it one at minus 70 Centigrade or the more usual stuff becuse the race to be first tese days does not often mean the winner is the best. The latest Test’n’Trace debacle has confirmed to me what a disaster we have made of the NHS and public health matters in the last decade or so and that is where the good money needs to go if we are not going to keep repeating this farce annually..

249027 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 11, #282 of 1842 🔗

This Government has squandered the trust of the people in the same way that Gordon Brown squandered the pensions.

249105 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 10, #283 of 1842 🔗

I suspect politicians the world over are being bribed, coerced or blackmailed by whoever is issuing orders for governments to lockdown and impose restrictions. Only Belarus said ‘No’

249871 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #284 of 1842 🔗

Belarus said No to The World Bank.

249872 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #285 of 1842 🔗

Check out the latest statements from Christine Lagarde.

249028 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 16, #286 of 1842 🔗

Tory MP gets pub ban for LIFE: Andy Carter is barred from every local in his constituency after voting for lockdown 10pm curfew

  • DM

after a very depressing morning read of the news, this article cheered me up somewhat. This should be done everywhere to all zealot MPs.

249036 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #287 of 1842 🔗

and from hairdressers, churches, corner shops, gyms, etc we can isolate him from all human contact till the end of his days

249080 ▶▶ paulito, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #288 of 1842 🔗

Totally agree. Ostracise every single one of the monsters. Treat them like the pariahs that they are.

249109 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #289 of 1842 🔗

And their families as well. See how they like it.

Now to make it clear I don’t believe in collective punishment but since what they’re inflicting on us is collective punishment then their spouses and kiddies should carry the can as well to see how their insane diktats have inflicted damage on people and the economy.

249883 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #290 of 1842 🔗

Refuse them food at the grocers, the bakeries, etc. Haggis every day for Sturgeon.

249029 Stuart, 8, #291 of 1842 🔗

So, Boris the butcher’s dog has come within sniffing distance of someone who has had the crap snot test.

Who else is infected in the Downing Street plague-pit? No wonder the rats have baled out.

249032 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #292 of 1842 🔗

Will the pig dictators latest mistress have to isolate?

249052 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Cecil B, 17, #293 of 1842 🔗

Whilst I realise that this particular self isolation period is very convenient for Boris, I do think that all MP’s and their family should be PCR tested at least twice a week. Only when the the stupidity and inconvenience of false positives affects them and their loved ones will they do something about it.

249059 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Van Allen, 5, #294 of 1842 🔗

They should be made to live in a bubble like the elite sports people and TV show casts – away from their families

249072 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 3, #295 of 1842 🔗

And extracurriculars!

249402 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Julian, 1, #296 of 1842 🔗

I`m a politician – get me out of here!

249093 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Van Allen, 1, #297 of 1842 🔗

I think politicians, civil servants, high profile journalists, Jacinda Ardern, Jeremy Corbyn et al are exempt from PCR testing

The tests are for the plebs

249097 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Van Allen, 2, #298 of 1842 🔗

They should all do one day a week as Covid Wombles.

249662 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Van Allen, #299 of 1842 🔗

Yeah, down their throats and up their hooters.

249035 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #300 of 1842 🔗

The brave boys in blue wear Black. A paramilitary black seemingly influenced by terrorism, contrary to what the politicians say, terrorism has changed our way of life. The boys in blue flare their trousers over the top of their boots, they display a greyed out version of the union flag. With the current attacks on rights and freedoms it is curious the boys in blue now dress in a fashion influenced by terrorism.

Boys in blue is no longer an appropriate term of description. Simply put yourself in the mind of a victim of crime and then encounter one of these black-uniformed people it is not a confidence giving impression. The uniform is there to intimidate it does not lend respect to the wearers who often hide their hands in their pockets or behind their plate vests.

249040 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 3, #301 of 1842 🔗

Black was de rigueur for the SS

249087 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Basics, 1, #302 of 1842 🔗

Brownshirts

249115 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 4, #303 of 1842 🔗

Not helped by also wearing muzzles even in the great outdoors.

Every time I see them, I cross the street to avoid them.

249221 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 1, #304 of 1842 🔗

And hide their ID numbers behind their strategically placed phones.

249359 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Basics, 2, #305 of 1842 🔗

Agree it’s very odd. No politician has ever seems to raise this issue. The uniforms changed very rapidly about 10 or 20 years ago in the name of “practicality”. The stab vests and all the rest of it could easily be concealed behind normal clothes, not worn like a badge of honour.

249048 Cecil B, 9, #306 of 1842 🔗

They’ve locked themselves in the bunker and won’t come out, or talk to anyone

Victory is ours

Just the tidying up now

249050 Pancho the Grey, replying to Pancho the Grey, 21, #307 of 1842 🔗

To all those who would ban vaccine dissent and support adherence to the government line, I will say one thing – weapons of mass destruction.

249333 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, 2, #309 of 1842 🔗

So true. Journalists used to be able to investigate and publish without being censored

249051 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 20, #310 of 1842 🔗

Not sure if you can see this piece from the WSJ:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-covid-surge-u-s-restrictions-11605466754?mod=hp_lead_pos1

If you can’t then this quote will give you the gist of it:

“Now, it is everywhere. People are becoming infected not just at big gatherings, but when they let their guard down, such as by not wearing a mask, while going about their daily routines or in smaller social settings that they thought of as safe—often among their own families or trusted friends.”

Add to this the Boris news, in which his group were put at risk despite the precautions.

And overnight, the two of Biden’s top Covid advisors stated:

“If we just lock down the entire country without targeting our efforts, then we are going to exacerbate the ‘pandemic fatigue’ people are feeling, you’re going to hurt jobs and the economy…”

I sense we are getting to the point where there is little that can be done to practically stop this virus now. You would need to hide in a cave to halt the spread, and we are well past the point of any public willingness to do that, regardless of how many people it kills. So whether sceptic or zealot, aren’t we converging on the same place, namely a get-on-with-it fatalism?

249056 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #311 of 1842 🔗

Covid seems to be one big con, paving the way for many people with agenda’s.

249820 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, #312 of 1842 🔗

“Seems” to be?!

250090 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dan Clarke, #313 of 1842 🔗

Indeed.

249082 ▶▶ Ben, replying to jhfreedom, 17, #314 of 1842 🔗

We can’t stop viruses. It’s better to let them spread so immunity develops.

Do we stop living because people die? More people die globally from starvation and heart disease

We live with nature’s risks, as we’ve always done, or we imprison ourselves and stop living to stay alive

This is not ebola

249084 ▶▶ Mark, replying to jhfreedom, 12, #315 of 1842 🔗

“So whether sceptic or zealot, aren’t we converging on the same place, namely a get-on-with-it fatalism?”

FFS! Just think how many lives, how much past and future misery, could have been spared if the likes of the WSJ and the media/political elites it serves had been wise enough to recognise that reality nine months ago!

249139 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Mark, 6, #316 of 1842 🔗

The WSJ’s editorial team are actually quite sceptical versus their newsroom. There was an internal coup of sorts recently there that is worth a read! Also, I’m not sure the article arrives at my conclusion, but the points it raised suggested there’s little worth in chasing this anymore. However, we will face the ‘we must redouble our efforts’ gang before we get to this state of helplessness (or enlightenment).

249210 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #317 of 1842 🔗

Pretty sure I have a WSJ subscription somewhere, but I’ve not been keeping up with viewing it. From what you write, perhaps I should have made more of an effort.

249110 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #318 of 1842 🔗

I’m perfectly happy for us to reach this point, as long as these people then step down and are never in positions to influence again. They failed the logic test.

249129 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to mhcp, 1, #319 of 1842 🔗

Yes I agree, their route has killed hundreds of thousands in the process. Still, better get there than not at all?

249229 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #320 of 1842 🔗

Get-on-with-it fatalism is where the little old ladies were before lockdown 1.

250089 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jhfreedom, #321 of 1842 🔗

Stop denying HCQ.

249057 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #322 of 1842 🔗

Hancock on Talk Radio soon

249156 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #323 of 1842 🔗

Shame, they haven’t arrested the bastard yet then.

249058 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 22, #324 of 1842 🔗

BBC

On Thursday Mr Johnson spent about 35 minutes with Tory MP Lee Anderson, who lost his sense of taste the next day.

I beg to differ, I think Mt Anderson lost is sense of taste on Wednesday

249331 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 2, #325 of 1842 🔗

This ‘lost of taste’ symptom should only appear after high temperature and feeling lousy.

Anderson then tested positive using a very unreliable test, that does not mean he has it. As the PM has been affected (T&T) Anderson should get further tests and symptom verification to confirm the Covid diagnosis

249825 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #326 of 1842 🔗

dePiffle should be tested!

250095 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, #327 of 1842 🔗

Is it not the loss of taste a result of the immune system commandeering all the vitamin D?

249060 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #328 of 1842 🔗

There is no way Corbyn would have been worse than this joke of a man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlGTrk2dLWc

249094 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to chaos, 9, #329 of 1842 🔗

I couldn’t have been more anti-Corbyn, for many reasons. However, he could not have been worse than PD. The bloated, overreaching state, debt, intrusion on liberty, dishonesty, etc etc. PD is worse than what I feared Corbyn would have been.

249112 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #330 of 1842 🔗

PD?

249244 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to chaos, #331 of 1842 🔗

At a guess, Pig Dictator.

249273 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to chaos, #332 of 1842 🔗

Pig Dictator?

249306 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to chaos, 1, #333 of 1842 🔗

Pernicious Disaster.

250257 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to chaos, #334 of 1842 🔗

Pig Dictator. Thanks to Cecil B for the catchy moniker.

249254 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 1, #335 of 1842 🔗

How did this man ever become prime minister ?

249829 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #336 of 1842 🔗

Gullible people voted for him.

249061 NickR, replying to NickR, 69, #337 of 1842 🔗

I have no idea of the long term safety of any new vaccine.
I have no idea whether it will prevent very old people dying.
I have no idea whether it will prevent transmission.
But then neither do the makers of it.
But I do know that I should be able to ask why would I want a vaccine with an alleged 90% success in reducing mild symptoms of a virus to which 90% are immune.
Why would I want a vaccine for a virus that has killed only about 300 healthy people under 60?
Finally how can Starmer, a former human rights lawyer agitate to deny me the right to ask those questions?

249070 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NickR, 29, #338 of 1842 🔗

The vaccines will be regular ‘updates’ for life, guaranteeing indefinite and secure profits for Pharma, and tied to immunity passports which will serve as a Chinese style social credit system of control

It’s about money and control

249100 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Ben, 6, #339 of 1842 🔗

Looks like it.

250103 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ben, #340 of 1842 🔗

Let us find ways to derail it.

249077 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to NickR, 26, #341 of 1842 🔗

So pro-vaccine misinformation is fine but anything that questions the necessity, efficacy or safety is not? Extremely disturbing.

249101 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Van Allen, 16, #342 of 1842 🔗

Very, very sinister.

249089 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to NickR, 5, #343 of 1842 🔗

Spot on! I’m going to share your post with friends and family who are under the spell

249324 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NickR, 7, #344 of 1842 🔗

Great post

But I do know that I should be able to ask why would I want a vaccine with an alleged 90% success in reducing mild symptoms of a virus to which 90% are immune.

249893 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NickR, 4, #345 of 1842 🔗

‘Finally how can Starmer, a former human rights lawyer, agitate to deny me the right to ask those questions?

Because he’s a fraud. The United Nations Declaration on Human Rights is not as airtight as we think. Not well written either.

250100 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NickR, #346 of 1842 🔗

He has allegiance to the Trilateral Commission, a Rockefeller institution.

249064 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #347 of 1842 🔗

Don’t know what planet they are on, but their waffling sounds utterly ridiculous now. Every speech is filled with Nudge Unit repetitions

249119 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #348 of 1842 🔗

All working from the same script

249066 paulito, 4, #349 of 1842 🔗

Good choice of theme tune today. Doesn’t the chorus of Carrie go something like “Carrie doesn’t live here anymore”. if only Cliff were talking about Downing Street.

249071 paologrigio, 4, #350 of 1842 🔗

Imagine a Venn diagram of the world. Within the UK circle, we’d have a much smaller circle representing the NHS. By trying to protect/save that small circle, we’re causing immense damage to the larger UK circle without which the NHS circle could not even exist.

249073 Cecil B, 5, #351 of 1842 🔗

‘For 24 days I’ve been living next door to Carrie

Who the feck is Carrie’

Thanks Rishi please exit stage left

249078 PWL, replying to PWL, 6, #352 of 1842 🔗

They must think the British are a special kind of stupid with this second crack at Boris’ adventures with Covid-19 horse manure – and they would be right.

This is what happened the first time:

Boris Johnson’s big lie in, and lying; Part One

Boris Johnson’s big lie in, and lying; Part Two

249393 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to PWL, 2, #353 of 1842 🔗

This amongst other quotes caught my attention, Could anyone read this and not understand that Johnson was in rude health, and also wonder if in fact he was in too good a shape to warrant being in intensive care?”

I noted more recently when the BBC was interviewing “COVID” admissions in Liverpool that one of the people they spoke to clearly wasn’t as “ill” as portrayed. Despite being on oxygen therapy the patient (an elderly gentleman) had a remarkable ability to speak lucidly without pausing to gasp for breath which caused me to remark that there doesn’t seem to be much wrong with him and his ability breath and talk at the same time.

249839 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PWL, 1, #354 of 1842 🔗

That “we” chose war against coronavirus is a despicable piece of gaslighting to have us understand that “we” are responsible for the economic ruination of a lockdown. You are going to see more of this in the coming weeks.

Written on April 16th!

249083 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #355 of 1842 🔗

Bojo says he’s “as fit as a butcher’s dog”
To misquote Churchill: “Some butcher, some dog!”

249903 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fingerache Philip., #356 of 1842 🔗

Butcher dogs eat meat and bones. What will the Vegans say?

249085 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #357 of 1842 🔗

What is this obsession with butchers’ dogs? Are their immune systems unusually robust? If so, why? I think we should be told.

249092 ▶▶ Danny, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #358 of 1842 🔗

Have you never seen a Disney film? It’s all those strings of sausages they steal.

249096 ▶▶ chaos, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #359 of 1842 🔗

He thinks the plebs all talk like they do in Mary Poppins and Eastenders and Only Fools and Horses… only very posh people these days shop at a butcher.

249141 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 4, #360 of 1842 🔗

Yes, the modern equivalent would be “as fit as a gang member on steroids in a fully equipped state-of-the-art prison gym”.

249088 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #361 of 1842 🔗

This torture.. Matt Hancock on TalkRadio.. I can’t tune into this stuff anymore.. it’s too depressing. I’be done my bit trying to get other people to question the madness.. I have to step back..

249128 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to chaos, 4, #362 of 1842 🔗

Did he call Professor Carl Heneghan, a general practitioner physician, director of the University of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, and a Fellow of Kellogg College (He is also Editor-in-Chief of BMJ Evidence-Based Medicine) – a liar? Or did he just the evidence based scientist is wrong?

249130 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Major Panic, 1, #363 of 1842 🔗

I think he said outlier. But that was the implication.

249140 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, #364 of 1842 🔗

Surely Sir Carl will come back on that later?

249367 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #365 of 1842 🔗

Galileo was an outlier as well.

249912 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Charlie Blue, #366 of 1842 🔗

Outlier. Liar. Matt’s the Outlying Liar.

249959 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #367 of 1842 🔗

Covid Friendly loans from The World Bank. All aboard!

249136 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Major Panic, 1, #368 of 1842 🔗

Pish – who needs evidence

249907 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, #369 of 1842 🔗

Matt practices in front of a mirror every chance he gets. Like Pierre Léaud in that Francois Truffault film ‘Stolen Kisses’: Antoine Doinel, Antoine Doinel, Antoine Doinel …

250117 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to chaos, #370 of 1842 🔗

No good fighting the rhetoric. Fight the lockdowns and the mindless restrictions.

249090 Dan Clarke, 3, #371 of 1842 🔗

Even talk of a vaccine is playing to the Dr Evil’s

249091 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #372 of 1842 🔗

Have just started reading St Augustine’s City of God and this seems to be very apt in our current situation especially with those who simply go along because they want a quiet life and still believe the propaganda:

“They are not so afraid of the wicked as to yield to their villainous threat to the extent of committing crimes like theirs; but though they do not commit them they too often fail to reprehend them, for although they might perhaps convert some by such rebuke they fear that, if the attempt failed, their safety and reputation might be endangered or destroyed.”

And this I think can refer to the lockdownistas, mask zealots and zombies:

“And this is not due to prudence, nor is it because they see their reputation and safety as essential means whereby mankind may receive the benefit of instruction; it is rather due to weakness – because they delight in flattery and popularity and because they dread the judgement of the mob, and the torture or death of the body. In fact, they are constrained by self-interest, not by the obligations of charity.”

249142 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #373 of 1842 🔗

Stanley Milgram’s experiments come to mind

249691 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #374 of 1842 🔗

St Augustine was a very, very wise man.

249104 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #375 of 1842 🔗

Hancock says more people than ever are taking the flu vaccine. Because they reduced the Free vaccine age to 60.

249122 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #376 of 1842 🔗

So the fear porn worked did it?

249161 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #377 of 1842 🔗

Headline ness in Northern Ireland is that we are short 200,000 doses. Prepare for the worst.

Someone should let them know that flu was eradicated in March

249228 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #378 of 1842 🔗

Someone should let them know that flu was eradicated in March

EASY PROFIT!

Flu vaccines are triggering the PCR for even more “positives”… In the Plantation where I live they started the (profitable) FLU jab in Sept 28, see for yourself!

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MORE “PANDEMIC” CASES… so they can go on testing the tools for the next operation.

250148 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Voz 0db, #379 of 1842 🔗

W.C. Fields said that a sucker is born every minute. How right he was.

250707 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to richard riewer, #380 of 1842 🔗

There are billions of those every year getting the flu jab!

249322 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #381 of 1842 🔗

Might Flu Shots Increase COVID-19 Pandemic Risk?

  • A 2020 study found people were 36% more likely to get some form of coronavirus infection if they had been vaccinated against influenza
  • People who received the trivalent influenza vaccine during the 2008-2009 flu season were between 1.4 and 2.5 times more likely to get infected with pandemic H1N1 in the spring and summer of 2009 than those who did not get the seasonal flu vaccine
  • A double-blind, placebo-controlled study on ferrets confirmed the results, showing the seasonal influenza vaccine did worsen symptoms after subsequent exposure to the H1N1 virus
  • A 2011 study found the seasonal flu vaccine may weaken children’s immune systems and increase their chances of getting sick from influenza viruses not included in the vaccine
  • In a 2012 study, children receiving inactivated influenza vaccines had a 4.4 times higher relative risk of contracting noninfluenza respiratory virus infections in the nine months following their inoculation

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/08/will-the-flu-shot-help-with-coronavirus.aspx

249436 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 2, #382 of 1842 🔗

That is OLD! Since the 60’s 70’s we know (apparently we forgot!) that influenza artificial infections (vaccines) create the conditions for other viruses/bacteria to replicate.

There are plenty of that going around
“Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season”
See table 5

250154 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Voz 0db, #383 of 1842 🔗

Many of these bacteria are capable of mutating. So what’s the point?

250708 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to richard riewer, #384 of 1842 🔗

What’s the point of what?!

250146 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan Clarke, #385 of 1842 🔗

How can he claim that it’s free? Who paid for it?

249106 chaos, 18, #386 of 1842 🔗

Surely to god letters must be going to Graham Brady?

249108 Iansn, 15, #387 of 1842 🔗

What the actual fuck is Doris doing in isolation???? A very convenient way for him to again hide from scrutiny. What a complete tosser

249113 PWL, replying to PWL, 5, #388 of 1842 🔗

So, is Johnson going to have a sun-cult symbolic resurrection at the Winter Solstice like he did at Ishtar? That would be right in your faces, and you people still wouldn’t get it.

Boris Johnson’s big lie in, and lying; Part One

Covid-19 as a modern day variant of an antique technocratic control device

249158 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to PWL, #389 of 1842 🔗

excellent, thanks

249875 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PWL, #390 of 1842 🔗

One can’t help but wonder if Johnson had been at Chequers the entire time.

249117 chaos, replying to chaos, 33, #391 of 1842 🔗

Please please please god wake us all up from this never ending nightmare.

249133 ▶▶ Nic, replying to chaos, 8, #392 of 1842 🔗

Yes are lives are being destroyed for no reason.

249317 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nic, 4, #393 of 1842 🔗

and businesses and jobs

249428 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to chaos, 12, #394 of 1842 🔗

I feel exactly the same, but it is amazing the amount of people who seem unfazed by it all. My sister said to me yesterday, ‘stop getting wound up, we both have a nice houses and food on the table”. So that makes what this lying evil government are doing ok then!?, what about the people who no longer have or certainly won’t have much longer?. I have to keep my distance from people who I would really like to punch.

249120 Pancho the Grey, 10, #395 of 1842 🔗

I notice that Hancock has changed the narrative back to number of “cases” from hospital admissions, and picks a single day’s results to illustrate a rise.

249121 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #396 of 1842 🔗

The prime minister is isolating for a fortnight even though he feels as fit as a butcher’s dog. Two questions.

Can you have Covid and feel as fit as a butcher’s dog?

And if so what is the probability if you are in that condition that you can infect someone else.?

What’s the “science” on this? Is it all guess work?

I’d like to know because all year so far I’ve been feeling ticketyboo – I’d hate to think, maskless as I have been, I’ve been infecting people.

249131 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #397 of 1842 🔗

We’re witnessing a PCR test pandemic or casedemic. Stop the PCR tests and life returns to normal

249216 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 6, #398 of 1842 🔗

A PCR/SNOT fake pandemic planned (last training) in Oct2019 in New York, and execute masterfully via Bill Gates controlled WHO…

And the fun part… it is working! The herd of modern moron slaves really believe ALL this garbage.
Just look at them wearing muzzles, and self-isolating and all the rest of the nonsense…

The always present factor for ALL these past fake pandemics is that they always use “pneumonia”!

249144 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #399 of 1842 🔗

There isn’t any science, Ned. They assume that asymptomatic transmission is possible. Precautionary principle again.

249160 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #400 of 1842 🔗

Thank you for that.

I’ve just read the first piece above and it does say:-

“Even if a patient is a-symptomatic, they may still be able to pass on the virus to people they are in close contact with.”

But is that just an assumption. How would they know? Does someone turn up at hospital with the disease and say:

“Don’t know how I got this – I haven’t been out the house for month. Ethel’s the other only person in the house, she goes out for the shopping, but she’s been fine.”

Ergo Ethel picked it up going shopping but she’s asymptomatic and has passed it on. Proof! But would it be? It could have been picked up from the half pound of pork sausages she brought back.

Then there’s that sub-clause “close contact” – can that be just brushing shoulders with someone as you pass in to the supermarket?

249866 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ned of the Hills, #401 of 1842 🔗

Yes, Ned. It’s an assumption. Dr Claire Craig hasn’t been able to find anything in the literature to support the idea, other than a few studies from early on in China.

249693 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #402 of 1842 🔗

But he is supposed to have had the “disease” and would be immune.

249879 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ned of the Hills, #403 of 1842 🔗

He doesn’t claim to have covid. He’s been near someone who got a positive test and conveniently claims he needs to quarantine.
Why hasn’t dePiffle taken a test?!

249125 Dan Clarke, 6, #404 of 1842 🔗

Seems, you can fool parliament all of the time

249126 Ben, replying to Ben, 34, #405 of 1842 🔗
249297 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 5, #406 of 1842 🔗

ALL ARE WELCOME!

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249831 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #407 of 1842 🔗

Tasteless is to kind a word for this montage.

249926 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ned of the Hills, #408 of 1842 🔗

Do not worry… You’ll taste it.

249135 Cecil B, 2, #409 of 1842 🔗

Origin of “As Fit as a Butcher’s Dog”
The phrase “as fit as a butcher’s dog” originated from A Dictionary of Modern Slang , Cant and Vulgar Words written by John Camden Hotten. It was published in 1859. Hotten states that this simile is often applied to married men. In the past, however, it meant that there is a something very close to a person, but he has no access to it exactly like a butcher’s dog that cannot touch the beef though it can eat scraps if allowed.

249143 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #410 of 1842 🔗

Received form a friend, an interesting read about the whys behind everything that is going on from a bit different perspective.

249891 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #412 of 1842 🔗

….My belief is that the real reasons behind the global pandemic lockdown was a global coordinate effort to instill mass learned helplessness among the vast majority of populations worldwide.

….. later studies revealed that a subject’s hopelessness did not result from his or her feeling of powerlessness but resulted from the combination of an exposure to aversive stimuli AND the lack of control over one’s situation. Consequently, it should be easy to understand how our prolonged exposure to aversive stimuli (a viral pandemic that is exaggerated for its severity among healthy populations) combined with a lack of control over this situation (implemented lockdown measures for everyone that amounted to prolonged house arrest for billions around the world) will instill conditions of mass learned helplessness around the world….

249146 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 15, #413 of 1842 🔗

Catching Covid in Hospital? It’s long been the fact that the quickest way to get an infection is a stay in hospital, they are breeding grounds for loads of bugs (C.dif, MRSA, VRE, CRE, CRKP etc…). If you do need hospital treatment the secret is to get out of there as soon as your treatment is done.

249314 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to cloud6, 1, #414 of 1842 🔗

If you do need hospital treatment the secret is to get out of there as soon as your treatment is done.

Very wise

Preventable Medical Mistakes Account for One-Sixth of All Annual Deaths in the United States

  • Preventable medical mistakes are the third-leading cause of death in the US, right after heart disease and cancer. In all, preventable medical mistakes may account for one-sixth of all deaths that occur in the US annually
  • According to the latest estimates, between 210,000 and 440,000 Americans die from preventable hospital errors each year
  • The US has the most expensive health care in the world. It spends more on health care than the next 10 biggest spenders combined, yet ranks last in health and mortality when compared with 17 other developed nations
  • An estimated 30 percent of all medical procedures, tests and medications may be unnecessary – at a cost of at least $750 billion a year
  • Once you’re hospitalized, you’re immediately at risk for medical errors, so one of the best safeguards is to have someone there with you to act as your personal advocate

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/09/preventable-medical-errors.aspx

249147 Major Panic, 11, #415 of 1842 🔗

Boris – For heaven’s sake man – GO!

(as Cameron once said to another pointless fool)

249159 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 2, #417 of 1842 🔗

Help please – on the 14th I had a conversation here with someone who pointed out that Dominic Cummings had not been defenestrated or thrown out of a window, and that choice of words is very important, and then we discussed climate change.

I’ve tried using control f but not found it. I want to recontact that person, he had his own website. Can someone help me out?

The point is that language is very important – or anyone else who is interested in this aspect?

249169 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Rosie, #418 of 1842 🔗

I think that was with Steve Hayes, if you mean the exchange here:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/14/latest-news-193/#comment-245853

249172 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 1, #419 of 1842 🔗

Use CTRL-F again.

Go back to the 14th.

Beecuae not all of the comments are on the page at the same time it is unlikely that one search will find them.

So, start at the top and do the search. If you do not find, what you are loooking for, then go right to the bottom where the next page of comments will appear and so on.

249211 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 1, #420 of 1842 🔗

Thanks, that’s it – it was Steve Hayes. I’ve gone into his Blog here https://www.blogger.com/profile/03248828744039419832
And here https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2017/09/climate-change-is-pseudoscience.html
but is there a way now to contact him through his blog?
There’s a need to talk to scientists about their methods – this has come via people connected to Fuellmich’s work – so that’s why this is important.

249239 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 1, #421 of 1842 🔗

The Oxford dictionary gave the second meaning of defenestrated as one who has political power taken from them.If it was used in connection with Cummings then it was correct.
I prefer plain terms readily understood by everyone.

249260 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #422 of 1842 🔗

Agree Jonathan – that’s what we want. People who can convert complex legal and medical arguments into plain terms readily understood by anyone. Please join our team.
I’m here https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

249253 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Rosie, 3, #423 of 1842 🔗

The word defenestration comes from an incident in Prague where a Hussite crowd threw a judge out of a window (“fenestre” in French). There were multiple defenestrations in Prague.

249265 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 1, #424 of 1842 🔗

If you use this: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm it’s easier to find as it loads the whole page at once so you don’t need to scroll down interminably before you can use ctrl+f

249282 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, #425 of 1842 🔗

I did try that… either my fingers shake too much or smth, but thanks everyone.

What I’m really looking for is People who can convert complex legal and medical arguments into plain terms readily understood by anyone. Please join our team.
I’m here https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

as well as someone to set up a new website that is specifically to support Fuellmich and is user friendly to conspiracy theory-phobes.

While Micheal Bernicia’s work attracts people on one end of the ‘conspiracy theory’ spectrum, Fuellmich’s can appeal to conspiracy-phobes. That’s what we need, for people to be helped to understand that this stuff is wrong.

249162 Mark, replying to Mark, 21, #426 of 1842 🔗

continue to pummel covid into submission

follow the rules and beat it together

Pretty clear just how far Johnson has fallen into becoming obsessive about “fighting” a disease rather than governing the country sensibly.

There is no hope of rationality on this topic without a change of leadership.

249167 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Mark, 9, #427 of 1842 🔗

He hasn’t though has he? He’s either in on the great reset and/or vaccine $£$ scam. Or other motives. Or he’s pulled this way and that by such people because he is so indecisive and weak and out of touch.

249189 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to chaos, 3, #428 of 1842 🔗

I don’t believe for a moment that Johnson is in on any great reset, and I doubt that he’s motivated by bribery.

In relation to the former, it just doesn’t seem to fit with any of his past attitudes, even allowing for his dishonest posturing, and it’s much more likely imo when he does stuff that enables the “reset” and pc bollocks that he’s just being led about by the nose (or other parts of his anatomy), by manipulative lefties like his woman.

As for the latter, while he does seem to be hurting for money since getting into office, he wasn’t before, and he seems to me more the kind of person who doesn’t worry much about money as long s there’s plenty coming in. Not an obsessive pile-builder like, for instance, Blair. Direct bribery would be too risky even for Johnson, and the ind of indirect long term bribery that probably motivated Blair to some extent is probably outside Johnson’s scope of awareness.

It’s possible he’s motivated as Blair probably was by future personal gain, but seems to me functional stupidity adequately explains his behaviour.

249278 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Mark, 6, #429 of 1842 🔗

Believe what you want, your integrity is obviously far greater than his.
It’s not about money with the likes of Boris, he’s there to persuade the people that they lives need to change , it’s for the good of the planet . It’s his moment of destiny.
we all know that it’s garbage but he is just a gullible fool who’s been brainwashed by very sophisticated operators.

250332 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bill Grates, #430 of 1842 🔗

I can believe he’s soft-witted enough to fall for the green nonsense, and also that he’s dishonest enough to pretend to if he thinks he can gain from doing so (whether it’s votes or sex).

I don’t believe he’s any kind of driving force for it though.

249197 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 7, #431 of 1842 🔗

Didn’t Boris Johnson quote from one of Klaus Schwab’s books? In which case I’d say he’s in on the Great Reset

249225 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 11, #432 of 1842 🔗

Build back better;he explained what he thought it meant,a green new deal.He’s also met Gates recently and referenced him in a number of speeches.Whatever is going on,Johnson is up to his neck in it.

249256 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #433 of 1842 🔗

Build , back better…this is the slogan of the Great Reset and Agenda 2030 is all about getting rid of normal cars and have EVERBODY on electric ones…so yeah…He is neck deep into this shit!

249266 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #434 of 1842 🔗

He’s been on it a whileAs mayor of London he made it that all new London taxis had to be electric by 2018.He also put gridlock causing cycle lanes everywhere.

249307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #435 of 1842 🔗

And these traffic gridlocks pumps out much more pollution than the so-called ‘reduction’ by cyclists

Recycling has also declined steeply since lockdown.

Much easier to chuck stuff in the rubbish bin:

  • charity shops closed during lockdown and now closing shop.
  • no plastic recycling at supermarkets as people shop online or bins removed
  • Council dumps closed during lockdown (WHY?) and afterwards had to make an appointment (WHY? At no stage prior to lockdown more than 3 cars at the dump, so more than enough space to distance)
250186 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #436 of 1842 🔗

They should all be obliged to take tours around the areas in the city of London and elsewhere where their green deal programs were implemented to assess the damage. They sit in offices all day long and dream about new, stupid ideas.

250179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Thomas_E, #437 of 1842 🔗

They are nuts. Impractical. An impossible task.

250176 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #438 of 1842 🔗

Up to his neck in green slime.

249511 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ben, #439 of 1842 🔗

Why else would he ponce around with Gates and the dodgy vaccine crowd?

250011 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ben, 1, #440 of 1842 🔗

He also mentioned the anti science of anti vaxxers in some recent speech. WEF?.

249163 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #441 of 1842 🔗

The first case of infection of Sars-Cov2 was 3rd Sept 2019 was found in a saved blood sample in a person from Venice region. This was one of the blood samples collected all over Italy since Sept 2019 as a part of lung cancer investigation. The person was most likely asymptomatic but had evidence of acute infection in form of IgM antibodies to Sars-Cov2. Where did he/she get it from? The time of infection must have been in late August. Venice, contact with China since Marco Polo, now in the form of a Chinese tourist? Maybe? Maybe not?
Astonishingly, already the day after in Emilia Romagna, another infection in a saved blood sample. In September alone, 23 infections in eight Italian regions, indicating a wide spread. However, these detailed information is not found in the abstract published on line below as the whole article was behind the paywall(the detailed information above is from one page in the whole article I got hold of, see below added picture). As earlier Sars Cov-2 virus in Barcelona Feb 2019 and Oct 2019 in Sao Poulo detected in sewage waste has been debunked, this must be the first detection of wide spread Sars-Cov 2 in Italy Aug-Sept several thousand miles from China.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0300891620974755

Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy



The reaction in the Establishment of this possible scenario has been furious. The article was published in an obscure journal owned by one of the authors. It has not been properly peer reviewed before published. One of the angriest comments was from Prof Balloux, who has published the below article stating that the animal to human jump was in Wuhan Oct-Nov 2019 according to his investigation and genomic studies,

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1567134820301829

In a twitter thread he said that the result was probably cross reactions to other normal corona viruses

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1328058413222400007

But the riposte came quick from an irreverent Dutch scientist calling Prof Balloux a stupid fool and he has obviously read the whole article according to this twitter thread. In fact, the Italian scientists have done lots of checking and there is no cross reactions with other corona viruses. His twitter thread is here mostly in English debunking Balloux’s objections.

https://twitter.com/hommel_b/status/1328067660471545856

Interesting to see what happens. Perhaps they are both correct. There was earlier in May a suggestion and hypothesis by two Israeli scientists ( I have lost the link but published in LD sceptics) that there were two competing strains of Sars Cov2,the first wide spread milder earlier and replaced by the later more serious Wuhan strain.

249202 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, 1, #442 of 1842 🔗

The first case of infection of Sars-Cov2 was 3rd Sept 2019

One cannot declare that!

We only know that this new piece of RNA was detected on that sample! Do you have older samples to make the same “test”?

This piece of RNA can have a decade or more of existence but we “found it” only now…

249249 ▶▶▶ Anthony, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #443 of 1842 🔗

I think the paper is talking about the detection of Covid specific antibodies, not RNA.

249269 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Anthony, #444 of 1842 🔗

There are NO specific “covid” antibodies…

249270 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Anthony, #445 of 1842 🔗

They are referring to RNA “SARS-CoV-2″…

249318 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anthony, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #446 of 1842 🔗

No they’re not:

‘The person was most likely asymptomatic but had evidence of acute infection in form of IgM antibodies to Sars-Cov2’.

Of course there are Covid specific antibodies. There is a possibility that the testing methods detected antibodies which react against Covid proteins (but weren’t produced in response to Covid) but there will always be these sorts of anomalies in any antibody test.

249326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anthony, replying to Anthony, 1, #447 of 1842 🔗

By the way, when I say Covid I mean Sars-Cov2 – just couldn’t be bothered type the full name in.

249329 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Anthony, -1, #448 of 1842 🔗

When they write “SARS-CoV-2” that’s a reference to RNA! What do you “think” label “SARS-CoV-2” refers to in this scam? A piece of cheese?!

If an organism generates antibodies it means it had contact with either RNA or DNA. In this case RNA.

Of course there are Covid specific antibodies.

Oh! That’s a first!

Can you tell us what are the scientific papers (from two different teams) where they demonstrated that RNA labelled “SARS-CoV-2” is an infectious viral particle, capable of causing a disease (pneumonia) and eventually kill the [weak] host?

249377 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anthony, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #449 of 1842 🔗

SARS-Cov-2 is the name given to the virus, it’s not a reference to RNA at all. The viruses genetic material is made up of ssRNA. When the virus infects someone the host can produce antibodies against the protein envelope of the virus (not the RNA within that envelope).

Any antibodies produced in response to this virus will be specific to the proteins of the envelope, in the same way that every antibody directed against every pathogen will be specific to that pathogen. There will however always be cross reactivity due to similarities across epitopes (the part of the protein to which the antibody is directed).

Look it up

249404 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Anthony, -2, #450 of 1842 🔗

Well… you do write a lot of fun stuff!

They’re specific BUT there are non-specific events… you just call it “cross reactivity”.

You keep assuming RNA (ssRNA) (mRNA) labelled “SARS-CoV-2” is a “new viral infectious particle”!

Happy dreams… Over and out! No more time to waste.

249453 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #451 of 1842 🔗

Anthony has explained that it was not PCR. There are people on this site who believe that Sars Cov+2 exists incl antibodies but that does not detract from the fact of overdiagnosis by defect PCR test and disproportinate response etc.This article is very interesting suggesting of spread well before it was detcted in western Europe.This would have very important consequences if this was true concerning the origin of the virus most likely from Yunnan area in China with possibly mild variants circulating.But this is not for covid-19 deniers.

249665 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, -1, #452 of 1842 🔗

Well… I never said is was about PCR.

So your entire comment it at the same level of the dogma “RNA labelled “SARS-CoV-2 is the cause of pneumonia (a special one!)”

And I read that paper before this fun swap of comments.

We only know that this new piece of RNA was detected on that sample!

If the sample had the antibodies they claim are “specific” for “SARS-CoV-2” then the piece of RNA we label today as “SARS-CoV-2” was present on that organism causing the production of those antibodies.

That’s what I wrote… Use few words the 1st time?! Well… Why waste many with this nonsense?

249164 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 10, #453 of 1842 🔗

So we have 5 possible reinfections out of a worldwide count of 55 million infections (Worldometer). They are almost certainly misdiagnoses and even if they aren’t that is essentially the same as saying it can’t happen, at least in any meaningful sense. Anyone who sets a policy that assumes that as a meaningful risk is an imbecile.

249171 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Achilles, 5, #454 of 1842 🔗

I expect you can get it again – like the other 4 coronaviruses – it will just be mild – like a cold. when we’ve all been exposed, it will just be annoying cold #5

249177 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to steve_w, 2, #455 of 1842 🔗

Then either it doesn’t happen or if it does it isn’t noticeable. Either way it should have no bearing on policy. Unfortunately they don’t seem to be able to distinguish between being precautionary and paranoid, to all our cost.

249180 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Achilles, 3, #456 of 1842 🔗

Or it takes a year before you are susceptible again. I just can’t see an immune system bothering to create a lifelong immunity to something very mild. waste of resources

249191 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to steve_w, 3, #457 of 1842 🔗

T Cells remember similar invaders and so lifelong immunity is possible I’d say

249200 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ben, 1, #458 of 1842 🔗

I don’t see why I keep getting colds then

249271 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to steve_w, 1, #459 of 1842 🔗

Do you get the same variety each time though? There are many corona , rhino and adeno viruses.

249292 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to steve_w, 2, #460 of 1842 🔗

Increase the Vitamin A/C/D!

But colds (with just very minor symptoms) in Winter is pretty normal… That’s all I have since 2007!

During Winter I take 2 grams (some times 3 during a day or two, when I feel the signs of immune system activation) Vit C every day (1 gram the rest of the seasons) with a multi-vitamins and mineral every two days…

No colds/flu/pneumonia… since 2007.

249294 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steve_w, #461 of 1842 🔗

Do you don the nappy?

249346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, 2, #462 of 1842 🔗

Apparently there are over 200 different cold viruses.

I’ve definitely had fewer colds as I’ve got older. The same goes my wife who used to be a primary school teacher in her 20s and was routinely bunged up at this time of year. Very romantic it was.

249199 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Achilles, 3, #463 of 1842 🔗

The scam is FUN…

For every single PCR chemical reaction with amplification we can have another one without amplification!

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So when you say “55 million infections” I can guarantee that we have ZERO infections.

Isn’t this a GOOD SCAM/TOOL?

249233 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Achilles, 5, #464 of 1842 🔗

Talking things Covid is like arguing about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. We need to concentrate on ways to end lockdown and repeal the coronavirus act.

Michael O’Bernicia is using Common Law to end all the governmental corruption.
See https://lawfulrebel.com/ interview 119.

249290 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #465 of 1842 🔗

Great website

249492 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, 2, #466 of 1842 🔗

Thank you for the response. I came across lawfulrebel quite recently by way of UKColumn. We need everyone to support Michael O’Bernicia who is using Common Law to remove the Coronavirus Act and to have Hancock and others to face charges of genocide.

249702 ▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, #467 of 1842 🔗

Or a member of the British government. Synonymous terms.

249287 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chris, 6, #469 of 1842 🔗

Amazing tweet

249166 PastImperfect, 1, #470 of 1842 🔗

There are some good interviews on this site
https://lawfulrebel.com/
Check out 119
and
121 (14:30 mins in talking vaccines)

249168 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 35, #471 of 1842 🔗

Boris The Burk really is a drama queen. Absurdly, he simultaneously hides away like a frightened little girl yet speaks of ‘pummel[ling] covid into submission.’ The irony is breathtaking.

This is not a leader. He’s a coward and a failure.

249176 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to common conservative, 31, #472 of 1842 🔗

He’s also a lying, lazy and incompetent cad. This looks staged to me. Either, to give him the cover to hide from making any decisions in the next couple of weeks and ride out the tsunami of bad press that is imminent on the Cummings/Cain vs Ms Carrie/Ms Allegra spat. Or, to promote the ‘we need to socially distance and wear masks even if we have had the vaccine or have had the disease already’. Neither will work. He is on his way out.

249188 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #473 of 1842 🔗

Boris Johnson is simply taking orders

249235 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Ben, 10, #474 of 1842 🔗

He CHOOSES to take those orders – never forget that.

249456 ▶▶ stewart, replying to common conservative, 2, #475 of 1842 🔗

He wants to show everyone he is the most virtuous of all the virtue signallers.

249174 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 17, #476 of 1842 🔗

Looking around at the paucity of political talent, the sub mediocre apparatchiks and corrupt political influence peddlers it’s hardly surprising the country is in such a state of decline.

That acres of news print can be devoted to the shenanigans around a small group of intellectually vacant agenda mongers vying for the ear of the present moronic encumbent in no 10 to sway public policy , and yet none see the same game being played by a clique of globalist/pharma/globocap to sway global society is a demonstration of the total failure of the media and our wider political class to see beyond their very limited horizons. To see such would be to support “unsubstantiated conspiracy theories”, while we wait and listen attentively to the micro analysis of the political soap opera being used to distract the stupefied masses.

That the country has been unable to produce a governing body of stature is fundamentally shocking and a shaming testament to the corrupt and perverse manipulation of merit driven success overridden by the global power agendas over successive decades to produce delinquent and subservient national governments.

249179 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bill Grates, 10, #477 of 1842 🔗

All countries around the word, save Belarus, are under occupation by the WEF et al

249185 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Ben, 9, #478 of 1842 🔗

Carrie, Stanley, Starmer and Rishi and others all work for or worked for or have links to WEF Davos members e.g. Rockerfeller, Goldman…

249259 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chaos, 3, #479 of 1842 🔗

Correct. Look I don’t want to sound crazy but it looks more and more like Carrie is basically an plant to control him.

249289 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Thomas_E, #480 of 1842 🔗

If se was a plant to control him I don’t think she’d take it as far as having a baby by him.

DavidC

249315 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #481 of 1842 🔗

The media wants you to think that. I’ve no doubt all spouses influence politicians.

The establishment wants a tougher, more authoritian government, so they’re discrediting Johnson to justify a general election. I fear one will be called and Starmer will become the new Mussolini

250194 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #482 of 1842 🔗

From Human Rights lawyer to Mussolini 2.0. What a world!

249352 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #483 of 1842 🔗

She was desperate to get the SPAD role to Boris when he was Foreign Secretary. Apparently she lost out to Lee Cain. It does sound like she was targeting him.

249374 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Thomas_E, #484 of 1842 🔗

Like Me-again Markle..

249305 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to chaos, #485 of 1842 🔗

Exactly, you just need to start joining the dots to see the picture

249323 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chaos, 4, #486 of 1842 🔗

Yes, and a lot of people wonder why Rees Mogg has been so quiet. His dad has relations with the Rothchilds. He started off his career in a Rothchild investment fund.

249387 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, #487 of 1842 🔗

Mark Malloch Brown of Smartmatic also has these links..

250191 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, #488 of 1842 🔗

The medical/health experts at Goldman Sachs.

249178 Leemc23, 6, #489 of 1842 🔗

I feel rather downhearted this morning. My only sense of fun is that I hope De piffel is Isolating in a freezer. He has form for than.

249182 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #490 of 1842 🔗

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-11/13/c_139512147.htm

Towns in Belarus now mandating mask-wearing in public places.

249198 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 3, #491 of 1842 🔗

omg

This is all coming here.

What we need to do is have an organised way to make people aware of Reiner Fuellmich and his work. The factual lawyerly approach is what’s needed. Please get more urgent, day by day.

I’ve a small group of people who agree – and it links up to the concept of talking to people one at a time, carefully avoiding conspiracy theory triggers. Small local groups. Now we need a website that is not off-putting to sheepie.

Who agrees? If you like this concept then please contact me, as usual I’m to be found here as usual
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

249207 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 3, #492 of 1842 🔗

I agree with that kind of sober approach.

We have got to keep persuading. I think we underestimate the number of scepics.

Ultimately though, it will be events that change people’s minds not arguments.

249218 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 1, #493 of 1842 🔗

Right – the events are more likely to go our way if there is a groundswell of support for the legal actions being taken. Otherwise they could fall as flat as the BMJ editorial, or even turn into major violence.

There is no time to waste and we can’t sit around waiting for other people to do things for us. Everything is going the wrong way still.

249222 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to calchas, 17, #494 of 1842 🔗

I’m trying to persuade people.

Just had a customer in who was bemoaning the fact that “people aren’t obeying the rules”. This was in London and Leeds apparently (people congregating outside pubs and bars – I wish to god they were here). I told him how last week we had been threatened with fines for merely allowing people to consume their takeaways at our outside tables. I also told him about the bastard, the one who took photos and how this reprobate is probably not fearful of losing their income during this shit-show. While he was mildly sympathetic he wasn’t sufficiently moved to agree that lockdowns are wrong.

249263 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, 3, #495 of 1842 🔗

Yep, you’re one of the heroes! Inspirational 🙂

249319 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to kh1485, 1, #496 of 1842 🔗

I bet what you really wanted to do was bar him for stupidity? But alas having owned a business all custom is precious and teeth gritting is required.

249330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHuntz, 10, #497 of 1842 🔗

The thing is I’m so damned angry now that I don’t care if I offend people. They’re trashing my liberty and I’m not bloody having it.

249715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 2, #498 of 1842 🔗

That has to be true. A lot of shopkeepers will talk fluent zombie or fluent sceptic, as required in order to keep the customer.
My greengrocer lost my custom when he tried talking zombie to me. I expect his zombie customers are by far the more numerous, and even a courgette merchant gotta live.

249231 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, #499 of 1842 🔗

Oh no! Corrupt politicians 🙁

Very disappointing

249264 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to calchas, #500 of 1842 🔗

Without exception

Wow!

249183 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 18, #501 of 1842 🔗

Why the hell is the moron self-isolating if he said he already had it?

JUST PLAYING THE PART!

Probably this is just their move to say that even with a “Vaccine” modern slaves will never have the life they had before… Like some other scoundrels (Fauci & Friends) are already saying.

249279 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #502 of 1842 🔗

Either trying to set an example (that we don’t need) or take a break after sacking his ‘trusted’ aid (the one that actually did the PM job) OR both

249194 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 8, #503 of 1842 🔗

BBC fact checkers confirm that the earth is flat.

249220 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to PatrickF, 11, #504 of 1842 🔗

Anyone noticed that the “fact checkers” appeared everywhere when the truth started coming out?

249248 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to PatrickF, #505 of 1842 🔗

You mean the BBC “Inconvenient Fact Deniers”.

249723 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, #506 of 1842 🔗

Labour demands instant imprisonment for flat earth deniers.

249203 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 6, #507 of 1842 🔗

Has Boris got a serious drinking problem?

249204 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Eddy, 3, #508 of 1842 🔗

Wouldn’t be surprised.

249206 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Eddy, 4, #509 of 1842 🔗

yes. look at his girlfriend

249208 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Eddy, 1, #510 of 1842 🔗

If he hasn’t, surely he will have. I mean, otherwise, how could he try to forget the devastation he has caused.

249227 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, #511 of 1842 🔗

Johnson is simply following orders. Starmer wants more devastation

249213 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Eddy, 1, #512 of 1842 🔗

I very much doubt it.

His drinks cabinet is probably his one well-stocked cabinet.

249219 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Eddy, 1, #513 of 1842 🔗

Has been rumoured – from around the time of the Carrie/Boris argument in their flat prior to election.

249338 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Eddy, 4, #514 of 1842 🔗

No he’s got a serious thinking problem.

249224 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Leemc23, #516 of 1842 🔗

Cronyvirus

250204 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #517 of 1842 🔗

Phonyvirus.

249226 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Leemc23, #518 of 1842 🔗

Interesting but not sure you can credit labour with being truly concerned about cronyism- more that it’s the “other sides” cronyism and they’re wishing it to be labour cronies?

249630 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Leemc23, #519 of 1842 🔗

This needs wider coverage – I’m sure that this will be a story that will run and run.

249223 peter, replying to peter, 6, #520 of 1842 🔗

Analysis of the covid Vax ingredients, no wonder the Gestapo want to censor all discussion of its contents https.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHn8c65A1JE/?igshid=1moj9l9963r3a

249274 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to peter, #521 of 1842 🔗

Great link.

~ Always do independent research (side effects, ingredients etc) when considering to take a vaccine or prescribed drug, then make an informed decision whether to take it or not ~

249372 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to peter, #523 of 1842 🔗

Scary… do we know what is in the Pfizer one?

249230 DavidC, 1, #524 of 1842 🔗

Interesting how Boris is bursting with antibodies when they are only supposed to remain for about three months and he supposedly had Covid19 in April…about 7 months ago…

DavidC

249234 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 20, #525 of 1842 🔗

That Portuguese Court of Appeals ruling throws up some very real issues which could be applied to us here in the UK. And the scope of the decision could be tended to other spheres – such as unlawful removal of livelihood and unlawful refusal of non-Covid medical treatment.

249252 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #526 of 1842 🔗

Please join my team. We’ve 6 so far, here and in France and Germany trying to focus our strategy around this angle and connecting up to the grassroots
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

249283 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #527 of 1842 🔗

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

Regarding the Portuguese judgement requiring a doctor to diagnose SarsCov2 in addition to a positive PCR test, the attached document, released by our government on October 28th, said a similar thing. When the number of cycles required to confirm a positive PCR test is high, clinical history is also needed.

This should be front page news.

249304 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Margaret, 5, #528 of 1842 🔗

I think about the Luddites who attacked the new technology that planned to destroy their livelihoods.

The PCR test is destroying humanity. They should be scrapped

249408 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ben, 1, #529 of 1842 🔗

If those who have used the PCR test as one of their tools to terrorise the population are not held to account then they will just find another wrecking ball.

249238 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #530 of 1842 🔗

Who Pressed the Great Reset Button?


  • The globalist technocracy is using the COVID-19 pandemic to bypass democratic accountability, override opposition, accelerate their agenda and to impose it on the public against our will
  • The Great Reset refers to a global agenda to monitor and control the world through digital surveillance. You’ll be tied to it through an electronic ID linked to your bank account and health records, and a social credit ID that will end up dictating every facet of your life
  • The Great Reset is about getting rid of capitalism and free enterprise, and replacing them with technocracy, publicly referred to as “sustainable development” and “stakeholder capitalism”
  • There’s not a single area of life that is left out of this Great Reset plan. The planned reform will affect everything from government, energy and finance to food, medicine, real estate, policing and even how we interact with our fellow human beings in general
  • Privacy protections are a major hurdle in this plan, which is why every effort is made to get people to loosen their views on the right for privacy. In the U.S., we also have the Constitution that stands in the way, which is why efforts to undermine, circumvent, ignore or nullify it are increasing

Ultimately, the Great Reset will result in two tiers or people: The technocratic elite, who have all the power and rule over all assets, and the rest of humanity, who have no power, no assets and no say-so in anything.

  • Build Back Better
  • Social Engineering Is Central to Technocratic Rule

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/16/what-is-the-great-reset.aspx

249298 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 4, #531 of 1842 🔗

It’s actual fascism

249261 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to steve_w, #533 of 1842 🔗

I need to eat breakfast again now.

249268 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan, 2, #534 of 1842 🔗

Thing is, he’ll need to wear a mask aswell to stop him licking the visor

249303 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, #535 of 1842 🔗

Thank you,you made me laugh today.

249308 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to steve_w, #536 of 1842 🔗

That’s an “old story” from I think June, cause I’ve a gif of that stupidity with July timestamp!

249245 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 3, #537 of 1842 🔗

What virus?

249258 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Eddy, 2, #538 of 1842 🔗

The Mythical One!

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249246 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #539 of 1842 🔗

Genius really. Turn the world upside down for a cold.
Meanwhile.. no great reset for China.

249262 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to chaos, 7, #540 of 1842 🔗

Since China is the TEST ground for the tools to be deployed in Western “democracies” they are well ahead. So their reset started around 15 years ago…

249398 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #541 of 1842 🔗

I think their reset started with the communist revolution. First the get decades of abject poverty and starvation of millions while a small elite rules over them with an iron fist. Eventually they get ‘permitted’ to do something other then starve to death under the total control of that small elite.

249413 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #542 of 1842 🔗

I was just talking about the MODERN TOOLS that the deployment of the WWW and “SMART”phones Social Media 24/7 connection addiction allowed to be implemented…

Without these tools they couldn’t had pull this SCAM at this scale!

Just look at the previous attempt in 2007/8… A failed fake pandemic.

249295 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 2, #543 of 1842 🔗

China already has its dystopian Social Credit System. Destined for us via Covid-Pass and Clear

249302 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, #544 of 1842 🔗

They tested the systems with the help (tech and money) of the Western Corporations and now the SYSTEM are “DEPLOY READ”!

249339 ▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 1, #545 of 1842 🔗

China is the model, hence the lack of recent bollocks.

249360 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 4, #546 of 1842 🔗

Exactly. How many coal-fired power stations are they building again? While the rest of the world has net zero imposed on them..

250231 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #547 of 1842 🔗

A Global, Synchronized, 24 hour Cellphone Blackout.

249251 Voz 0db, 15, #548 of 1842 🔗

How Many People Are Catching Covid in Hospital?

around the same that catch PNEUMONIA EVERY YEAR in hospital!

249257 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #549 of 1842 🔗

Found this article in Pie Pony’s response to Harry Cole’s twitter message ‘the rules are the rules’ (find in Toby’s article above).

There is no Covid vaccine………

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1327805882063720448.html

249267 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Victoria, 2, #550 of 1842 🔗

I don’t think that’s true, I really don’t. There are vaccines and people ready to administer them.

249328 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Rosie, 2, #551 of 1842 🔗

I don’t think the thread is actually saying there is not a vaccine. He or she is saying that the vaccine is not as claimed by Pfizer et al.

Whoever has written the thread seems pretty knowledgeable and they do raise some reasonable points. They are probably being a little over-pessimistic though.

249351 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Rosie, 1, #552 of 1842 🔗

Oh there are vaccines. Just not for COVID19.

249358 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #553 of 1842 🔗

Exactly….

249272 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 43, #554 of 1842 🔗

Off leafletting now in Wimbledon. Wish me luck!

249280 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Rosie, 28, #555 of 1842 🔗

Good luck!

A close friend has become suicidal because of lockdown. We are witnessing crimes against humanity.

The PCR tests, the forced isolation of those testing positive, the destruction of the economy and people’s livelihoods and ambitions, the trashing of civil liberties, the cancellation of medical treatment, the forced wearing of masks (especially on children) are crimes against humanity.

Life is not worth living anymore.

249309 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ben, 9, #556 of 1842 🔗

Don’t give up. There are people fighting this all over the world. I was listening to a couple of things on Youtube yesterday. I may have found the links here originally, but they’re worth repeating:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYzb5_kax8
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE&feature=youtu.be

249325 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Rosie, 6, #557 of 1842 🔗

You’ll get a warm welcome from this SW19 resident.

249275 l835, replying to l835, 19, #558 of 1842 🔗

Poor old Boris! Should have followed the rules and socially distanced, but didn’t, again… He can’t take a pcr test, as he knows it will detect virus fragments from the spring. A positive result when he’s clearly not infected (or the sixth person in the world to catch it twice) would undermine gov statistics and the legitimacy of everything he’s done! If they fudge the result and it’s negative, he’s just proved herd immunity through antibodies! And no Dom to rescue him! Wonderful!

249348 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to l835, 2, #559 of 1842 🔗

excellent logic, go to the top of the class ! Love it

249356 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to l835, 1, #560 of 1842 🔗

Brilliant!

249277 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 21, #561 of 1842 🔗

Oh my god I can’t stop laughing at that WhatsApp message. Are we seriously meant to believe he sent that of his own volition? “THE RULES ARE THE RULES”, “IT DOESN’T MATTER THAT I FEEL FINE”, “NHS TEST AND TRACE IS IMPROVING”, “STOP THE SPREAD”. Could it hit any more buzzwords?

When I heard about this story yesterday I said oh that’s convenient, perhaps he’ll be in a coma and near death again, before making another miraculous recovery, then they can spin out a bunch of stories about how people are getting “reinfected” to keep this going until it’s time for the vaccine. Now it becomes even more ridiculous after reading that WhatsApp message.

How stupid do they think we are?

249285 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John Galt, 14, #562 of 1842 🔗

These ‘leaks’ are State broadcasts for propaganda. They do think we’re stupid

249300 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ben, 14, #563 of 1842 🔗

They’re mainly preaching to the ones who ARE stupid – usually identified as those muzzled up to the eyeballs out in the open air.

249355 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to John Galt, 3, #564 of 1842 🔗

Did Carrie write it?

250235 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John Galt, #565 of 1842 🔗

Very stupid.

249281 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 23, #566 of 1842 🔗

All of this tracks back to political agendas , this fundamental issue cannot be avoided.
1,The primary causation event is when the WHO determines a “pandemic situation” arises.
2,Then each country , as signature to the IHR, is legally bound to implement it’s IPPP.
3,Paid for apparatchiks like Ferguson then create “modelling” to the “known” info.
4,This then determines what “level” of national response is applied.

In initiating event was the “outbreak” in China.
The Chinese medic institutes tried to “isolate” the pathogen/“virus” in early patients. The little round thing with lumps on the side couldn’t be found in several of the early cases but they determined that didn’t matter and announced it as the “virus”
This is what is being used as the base point for the whole scam.
Nobody knows if the round thing with lumps on has been in existence for ever , they have never looked for it before.
The “symptoms” are essentially undefined and cover almost anything – so far as case numbers are concerned.

5,The “pandemic” won’t be over until the WHO say so . Therefore the national govts have to keep
the circus running until they are told to stop.

Please visit the UN WHO international health regulations
Also GPMB report from Sept 19 page 38/39 :-“ a full system live exercise will be conducted before Sept 20”

Please look who gets paid by who , whole careers have been waiting for this moment and they are going to milk it for all it’s worth.
eg who’s in charge at the GPMB ? …. Fauci
All the SAGE “advisers” are heavily embedded with …. WHO , UN sustainability programs.
All influential bodies are funded by …..WHO , Gates Foundation
Check out the back story to these people. They are dangerous ideologs and their stupidity blinds them to reason.

The likes of Hancock/Boris , they are low grade middle management material who’ve been promoted way beyond their capabilities, why ? , to do the job they’ve been put there to do . They are arrogant enough to think they are chosen on merit. These people are servants of the agenda setters , and are dangerous to the rest of us .

Please read Boris’s speech to UN 74th council Sept 19
Also Hancock speech 2017 re 4th industrial revolution and praise for Schwab .
These people are gullible brainwashed idiots.

Ditto Labour , they think this is the “revolution” they’ve been waiting for.

The problem we have is that the political/state technocrat class think this “change , new normal” is inevitable and desirable. The fight between them is for who is going to be in charge at a nation level and thereby able to dictate national policy.
Not one of them , right down to local council level has any interest in slowing, much less changing direction or exposing the whole charade for the total nonsense that it is.

The only ones who may help are the Conserv backbenchers , and most of them will be compromised as well.

Have a great day.

250238 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bill Grates, #567 of 1842 🔗

Bill grates on me too.

249286 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 17, #568 of 1842 🔗

I heard Matt Hancock being asked about Boris Johnson’s isolation on R4 this morning. His response…

He can do just as much work from home
It will not stop him pushing the agenda forward

Words to that effect and he definitely said “agenda”.

I don’t think a response to a pandemic is an agenda, but Matt Hancock has leaked that one.

I’m rather enjoying these various leaks from across the world. I think they may need to be categorised soon, so we can see how many there are.

249299 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #569 of 1842 🔗

As has been obvious since early in the year, this isn’t a conspiracy it’s an agenda .
Hancock is mediocrity personified, it almost makes it worse being mugged by such an obvious puppet.

249390 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #570 of 1842 🔗

I looked at Hancock’s Wikipedia entry last night. He’s obviously not stupid and has done well academically but I do wonder whether he’s one of Nassim Taleb’s IYIs – Intellectual Yet Idiot.

DavidC

249310 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #571 of 1842 🔗

WankSock also said in that JHB interview that “once we roll out the Virus” rather than “Once we roll out the vaccine”. Oops.

249321 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 5, #572 of 1842 🔗

Another ‘Slip of the tongue’ here from a doc:

https://twitter.com/Salajayne/status/1327882014737960961?s=19

Deliver the virus

249400 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, #573 of 1842 🔗

OOps

249349 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #574 of 1842 🔗

Oops – covid 21 anyone? As in the Canadian leaked document from about a month ago? (all of which has come true so far…)

Did JHB pick him up on it?

249343 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #575 of 1842 🔗

The PM has never worked, that was done by Cummings. Not sure what he will be doing

249344 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #576 of 1842 🔗

Like Biden accidentally referring to his ‘voter fraud organisation’!

249442 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #577 of 1842 🔗

I wasn’t really listened but he said something about getting on with his green agenda.

249288 Mark, replying to Mark, 41, #578 of 1842 🔗

The maskista venn diagram:

249341 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, 2, #579 of 1842 🔗

Brilliant

250602 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Victoria, 1, #580 of 1842 🔗

Yes.

For the record, not my creation. Just pulled it off a social media exchange.

249293 Banjones, 1, #581 of 1842 🔗

The mention of ”Der Spiegel” reminded me of something I found on Youtube a few weeks ago. ”The Covid Blueprint from a decade ago”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45F44ZuwL50&t=3s

249301 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 23, #582 of 1842 🔗

I watched a docu drama on the Battle of the Somme last night. Gave a kind of comparison to whats happening at the moment. 25,000 young fit men died in the first hours of this attack, the brainfart of General Henry Rawlinson. In the end it killed more than a million. Compared with the current ‘pandemic’ where the average age of death is old than the national average age of death. That’s a perspective that people in government and health should be thinking about. The quote at the end was most apt for our current situation. “We are ghosts, in this game played by monkeys and organised by lunatics.” All of our so called leaders would have made perfect world war one generals, sitting in the back away from battle drinking and smoking and enjoying life as their charges on both sides were slaughtering each other. Rawlinson believed that there was no opposition left after 7 days of barrages. How wrong he was.

249312 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Iansn, 15, #583 of 1842 🔗

They died so we can hide .

249327 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Iansn, 5, #584 of 1842 🔗

Yes. My maternal great grandfather was one of those who died in the name of Tyneside Irish. His wife was left with three young children and turned to drink.

249342 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 16, #585 of 1842 🔗

If you go to Betwys-y-coed, there is a memorial there, almost all the young and middle aged men who volunteered from the village died in a battle. That is real suffering. Whats happening now, globally, is as nothing compared to the suffering experienced in the two world wars, yet we been jailed by 3rd rate schoolboys. Im way beyond being angry now.

249364 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #586 of 1842 🔗

Mine too, they lived in Greenside, gt grandfather had 4 children died on the Somme

249363 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #588 of 1842 🔗

the banksters in the USA paid for both sides in WWI.

249382 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Iansn, #589 of 1842 🔗

And WW2

DavidC

249656 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Iansn, 2, #590 of 1842 🔗

I understand your sentiments. But you’re wrong about the Generals. Read up how many actually died on the front line. I know it’s a cliche, and some might have been like this – but really it’s most unfair to many high ranking officers who suffered and fell along with their men.

249313 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 22, #591 of 1842 🔗

I sense another warning coming my way.

On Saturday, because it was slashing down with rain, we let a couple of cyclists use our chairs to take shelter underneath the bandstand while they enjoyed their coffee and crumpets. We left the chairs there and several other people (non-customers) made use of them – we didn’t mind – and we just left them to it.

Just seen two council operatives affixing a notice to the bandstand, which I expected to state that use of the bandstand is now prohibited. They haven’t gone that far but it states that anyone wanting to use the bandstand should call the Town Council. So I wonder whether they are now suggesting that anyone merely sheltering there needs to book the damn thing. The insanity continues.

249340 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 4, #592 of 1842 🔗

Hopefully that notice will get wet and unreadable

249672 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Victoria, 3, #593 of 1842 🔗

or it might get dirty! You wouldn’t want it to be unreadable due to mud, dust, etc. Best give it a quick wash with a hose. The precautionary principle.

249350 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to kh1485, 9, #594 of 1842 🔗

That is interesting. Near to us there is an open area, not a park, just a public open grassy space, no chairs, just an open area, fenced off with a low fence (easy to step over, it was put in place to stop ‘travellers’ a few years ago).
About a week ago notices appeared on the trees to the effect that if someone wished to use the space for an ‘event’ it was necessary to apply to the council. It was not easy to tear these notices down (laminated notices, zygology ties, that sort of thing), but I did not like the idea and thought I would complain to the council or whomever.
Anyway, yesterday, passing the same spot, I noticed that the notices had vanished. I wonder if some legal eagle had made a formal complaint, or perhaps someone simply tore them down.

249357 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Stephanos, 7, #595 of 1842 🔗

A lot of councils are overstepping the mark and if people are not vigilant, getting away with it.

249365 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Stephanos, 6, #596 of 1842 🔗

As you say, interesting …

I wondered why it took two blokes so long to put the notices up (there’s also one in the adjacent sheltered hut thing) and then I realised that they’d affixed them to battens rather than just using cable ties. And it’s a bit of a coincidence that they were put up the working day following the small gatherings that appeared on Saturday.

249395 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 4, #597 of 1842 🔗

They will give it a QR code. Insane bastards.

249441 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 3, #598 of 1842 🔗

I’m waiting for the notices saying that you have to book a park bench.

249568 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 3, #599 of 1842 🔗

Shhh!! Don’t give them ideas – they’ll gold-plate them and impose a booking fee. 🙂

249316 G.Fawkes, 16, #600 of 1842 🔗

Fuck you Stamer, and fuck you Boris.

And yes, I do feel better now.

249334 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 47, #602 of 1842 🔗

According to broadcaster Sue Cooke’s Twitter, Handjob has just dismissed Carl Heneghan as an “outlier” on JHB’s radio programme.

Why is that I wonder?

Is it because Heneghan was responsible for getting 5377 deaths removed from the total back in August because everything was put down to Covid until that point.

Or maybe it was because he questioned the data behind Twitty and Unbalanced’s ‘not a prediction’ graph?

Perhaps it was Carl’s revelations about care homes or catching the disease in hospitals.

Whatever Carl Heneghan is, he is no longer an outlier.

Handjob, on the other hand is an out and out liar.

249345 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Margaret, 12, #603 of 1842 🔗

He is an outlier in the sense that he stands outside the group think of SAGE and Whitty and uses evidence rather than models. As an attempt to discredit it’s not even clever.

249354 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Margaret, 7, #604 of 1842 🔗

Yes he actually said to JHB that he didnt believe him and was asked if he was calling him a liar

249361 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, 3, #605 of 1842 🔗

A couple of months ago handjob was saying that Professor Heneghan was part of the wide group of experts that he consulted with with and had done so the day previously.
This was in response to a beeb journo querying whether he listened to sceptics ‘like Heneghan’.

249379 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Margaret, 10, #606 of 1842 🔗

My opinion is, he’s in denial of a holocaust which he’s helped to create and becoming, along with the rest of the guilty, increasingly desperate.

249353 Darryl, 2, #607 of 1842 🔗

The author of this article explains the issues around the vaccine very well –

The Pfizer Vaccine’s Meaningless 90% Effectiveness, And The Circus Surrounding It http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/11/the-pfizer-vaccines-meaningless-90-effectiveness-and-the-circus-surrounding-it/

This is an interesting point – ‘ Contracting Covid-19 depends on the presence of ACE2 in the lung, with SARS-COV evidently delivered to it through the respiratory tracts.’
‘If a host is ripe for the plucking through his ACE2 situation (although how this is the case remains in dispute), then he’ll get a lung condition. If he isn’t, and the vast majority of people are not, then he won’t.’

249362 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 7, #608 of 1842 🔗

If the vaccine is going to be so safe, why has the MHRA awarded a $1.6 million contract with Genpact to develop AI tech to monitor all the undiscovered side effects, which they expect will occur? Just asking for a friend….

249369 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to HelenaHancart, 6, #609 of 1842 🔗

Has your friend got a link to any details?

1.6 million dollars doesn’t really sound like enough money to develop something like this, unless it’s something along the lines of…

10 PRINT "NO BAD THINGS TO DO WITH THE VACCINE DETECTED"
249392 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #610 of 1842 🔗

20 GOTO 10

249399 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Two-Six, 3, #611 of 1842 🔗

It’ll cost an extra $1.6 million to develop that line…

249689 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #612 of 1842 🔗

In the company I worked for any programmer who coded a GOTO was dragged down the pub on Friday evening after work and required to stand a round for the whole development team. Admittedly not $1.6million dollars but expensive enough.
Problem solved!

250165 ▶▶▶▶▶ blunt instrument, replying to captainbeefheart, #613 of 1842 🔗

and it will come in late, and not work properly, and they’ll have to tender for a replacement

249562 ▶▶ mjr, replying to HelenaHancart, #615 of 1842 🔗

it will be some vb coding linked to an access database with web access that could be done by a small team over a few weeks but somehow will cost $1.6million
what was interesting in the reasons was that the existing MHRA process for recording vaccine side effects could not be retro fitted to cope with the additional volumes. i wonder how many they expect

249368 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #617 of 1842 🔗

The other day someone mentioned that the annual all causes death count is up 50,000 above the norm because of the ”died within 28 days of a PCR test” from the wave in spring.

Another way of looking at it is that most of the excess deaths in spring (with positive PCR tests) were people nearing end of life and would likely have passed later in 2020 anyway – which would have brought the annual all deaths count into line with the norm.

But this has not happened as tens of 1000s of people have died prematurely (by many years) as a result of the lockdown – not covid.

250162 ▶▶ blunt instrument, replying to Major Panic, #618 of 1842 🔗

Check out Ivor Cummins’ channel on Youtube. He has the best breakdown of stats that I’ve found.

249370 NickR, 5, #619 of 1842 🔗

If anyone sees a reference in the mainstream media to the Liverpool Lateral Flow tests showing 0.4% positive tests v PCR tests, ONS & React monitoring claiming 2.2% across the North West can they flag it up.
This really looks like a very sharp needle that, if directed with precision & force would burst the balloon of puffed up hot air.

249371 DRW, replying to DRW, 24, #620 of 1842 🔗

My mum’s funeral is in a couple of weeks and I really don’t want to go. Not because I don’t care but because I’ll get to see my family in their muzzled sheeple glory. How fucking lovely.
Last night’s argument was related to that and about my reclusiveness and muzzle refusalism, just awful as properly arguing back is just futile.
I honestly don’t think I can last much longer, life really isn’t worth living anymore.

249375 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to DRW, 19, #621 of 1842 🔗

You’re exempt. One of the exemption clauses is if wearing a mask causes distress, which it most certainly would if you were to wear one at your Mother’s funeral.

DavidC

249430 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DavidC, 8, #622 of 1842 🔗

It’s looking at them for some of us though, and I think DRW feels this way

249709 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to CGL, 1, #623 of 1842 🔗

Yes, I know about exemptions but everyone else will be complying.

250143 ▶▶▶▶ blunt instrument, replying to CGL, 1, #624 of 1842 🔗

Just back from an afternoon’s shopping. Utterly depressing. Convinced even more that the BBC is the chief enemy.

249388 ▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 27, #625 of 1842 🔗

I had to go to a funeral of a close family member a couple of months ago.

At the entrance to the church (Catholic), no holy water just hand sanitizer.

Pissed me off no end.

But she was your mother you obviously have to grit your teeth and go.

For what it’s worth DRW, I belong to the optimists on here. I think a financial reset is coming – very likely 2021, and that that is the probable reason for all this.

I am convinced that by early next summer, people won’t stand for it any more. So, I am expecting some kind of culmination, very possibly in the next few months.

You are a young man I seem to remember.

In 50 years you will be telling your grandchildren about how crazy 2020 was. and about how difficult it was to come through it, and they won’t believe you.

Condolences and Best Wishes

Calchas.

249427 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to calchas, 5, #626 of 1842 🔗

Could they have blessed the sanitizer instead?

249722 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #627 of 1842 🔗

I like to joke that sanitiser is Covidian Holy Water.

250256 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #628 of 1842 🔗

What do they put in the wine bottles?

249721 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 4, #629 of 1842 🔗

I am young yes but I struggle with positivity at the best of times, let alone now when you consider what we’re up against. Thank you for your response.

250260 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DRW, #630 of 1842 🔗
249397 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DRW, 14, #631 of 1842 🔗

So sorry to read this DRW, that’s the last thing you need at a time like this. Organising your mum’s funeral is horrible but I can’t imagine what extra levels of stress are involved now. I am so very sorry …

I hope with everything I have that the scales will soon fall from people’s eyes.

249726 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 2, #632 of 1842 🔗

Thank you KH.

250265 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DRW, #633 of 1842 🔗
249411 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to DRW, 31, #634 of 1842 🔗

life really isn’t worth living anymore.”

It is worth a great deal to us here, beyond of the ranks of the insane. We are few enough as it is.

I agree though, it is hard to watch loved ones succumb to the nonsense. Understand though, nothing about them has changed – only certain truths about what lies in their hearts have been revealed. They have always been this way, and you still loved them, so nothing has changed.

They are as they are, they act only as they can, and so it is with you. Rejoice in what has been revealed about you, what is truly in your heart, and stand strong, embrace it. You have a strength that it is not a little outside of their understanding, but in another galaxy entirely. Your mind is not ruled by fear, but spirit, and that is rare indeed.

And what is it you truly wish for? Freedom of choice, an end to lies and manipulations. And you want this, not only for yourself, but for them too. So does this not make you the guardian of their best interests where they have failed to understand them?

If you let this thought lead you when they fling shit at you, then you will see them as just misled. As long as there is no threat of violence, what does it matter what they say? The easiest victory is to not react, and to say nothing at all until their powerful emotions pass, concentrating all the while on your own calm and standing on your pricinples. And yes, it takes daily practice, but your strength of mind can only grow in doing so.

And who can blame your loved ones, really? This has been a psychological operation of gargantuan proportions. Another testament to your strength of mind and your convictions, no?

Do not argue with them – come here to let off steam instead. In the meantime, commit to not explaining but demonstrating your refusal to submit. We here are all grateful for your example.

249450 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #635 of 1842 🔗

Great post and a good way to try to look at my own brainwashed people.

249478 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #636 of 1842 🔗

Wonderful contribution and a great help to me too.

249736 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #637 of 1842 🔗

Thanks, this is applicable to all of us.

249964 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #638 of 1842 🔗

Thanks for this. There are times I feel the same way as DRW so this advice is very, very welcome.

249443 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, 12, #639 of 1842 🔗

DRW – Only you can decide. But I think you may, on balance, feel better by going and dealing with the mask issue as a separate issue.

Whatever your decision, I wish you well, and people here do understand the conflict.

249458 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 9, #640 of 1842 🔗

You must go DRW – for your Mum and yourself – I believe you will regret it later if you don’t.
I lost my Dad at 25 – I have some idea of how you are feeling at the moment.
And you must stay here – for your Mum, if not for yourself right now. She would not want you joining her, would she.
Please don’t give up on us. We need you.

249460 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to DRW, 6, #641 of 1842 🔗

My mother’s was recent and max of 20 in the crem chapel. I wasn’t muzzled but the rest were -when making a speech , it felt like being an actor in a horror movie. No wake afterwards either. One of those things that you have to go to. There was an article written by an exlifer in the Newcastle Evening Chronicle saying that this will end and you have to take one day at a time.

249484 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to DRW, 8, #642 of 1842 🔗

You have to go. You will regret for the rest of your life if you can go and don’t. Just ignore the muzzles, think of your lovely mum and send thoughts of peace to her. Leave quickly if you have to. The wake is not important, but the funeral is.

249501 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to William Hand, 1, #643 of 1842 🔗

Absolutely right.

249488 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to DRW, 3, #644 of 1842 🔗

DRW i’m sure your mother (whether she believed in COVID or not) would admire your strength of conviction. Go to the funeral without your mask and your head held high. Have faith, things have to get better from here!

A man should not be without morals; it is better to have bad morals than none at all.
Mark Twain

249687 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, 2, #645 of 1842 🔗

I can imagine how you feel. So sad for you. Inside would be just about bearable – I think, like you, it would be a pretty awful feeling talking to muzzled-up people outside. Make a point by taking big dramatic lungfuls of good fresh air as you’re speaking to them – saying that you’ve been told it’s good for the immune system (for fighting the dreaded virus….. I know, ‘what virus?’). You might even plant a little seed…….
Please hang in there. We need more muzzle-sceptics. All the best. Stay with us!

249969 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 3, #646 of 1842 🔗

Go if only for your mum and for that sense of closure for the life that she’s lived. Don’t muzzle up, you’re exempt, that’s all there is to it.

Stay strong.

250158 ▶▶ blunt instrument, replying to DRW, #647 of 1842 🔗

I feel for you. Probably everyone here does. Try to be patient with your relatives. Explain what convinced you. Concentrate on the ones that voted Leave. They’re the ones most likely to be open to anything other than the BBC’s narrative. Marshal your facts. You’ll strengthen your own resolve in the process.

249373 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 8, #648 of 1842 🔗

Build Back Better (n) – Using debt to bulldoze one’s adequate house to rebuild based on undefined fantasies in the indefinite future.

249384 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to JHuntz, 8, #649 of 1842 🔗

Lockdown (n) – burning down a house in response to finding a small spot of dry rot in the basement (or a wasps nest in the attic).

249425 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PhilipF, 1, #650 of 1842 🔗

More likely ‘cellar rot’ coniophora puteana (wet rot) in basement but the point holds.

250273 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JHuntz, #651 of 1842 🔗

Waltham Forest.

249376 Voz 0db, 1, #652 of 1842 🔗

THE JAB “Will save YOU”! Or not… It really doesn’t matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB0MEjHgkfM

What matters this time around is that you will not be allowed to sue the corporations for any healthy problems!

Have fun…

249378 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #653 of 1842 🔗

Apparently Prof. Carl Heneghan has not signed The Great Barrington Declaration.
Why not I wonder ?

249391 ▶▶ microdave, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #654 of 1842 🔗

Apparently Prof. Carl Heneghan has not signed

Probably because he is an “Outlier” – according to that arrogant ******* Twatcock:

https://twitter.com/AlistairHaimes/status/1328282075494047745

249405 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MutzNutz, 9, #655 of 1842 🔗

Maybe he sees his job as presenting evidence rather than drawing conclusions from it or proposing an alternative. Prefer him to keep his job and keep having a platform to rubbish what the government is doing than start getting “political”.

249434 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 6, #656 of 1842 🔗

Having observed him now for some time, I think you’re right. Although he has been more outspoken recently on some media outlets, he has been quite careful in terms of the CEBM pronouncements – that they adhere to basic scientific protocols.

249625 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to MutzNutz, #657 of 1842 🔗

Is that so? Maybe to avoid politicization of it?

249380 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 13, #658 of 1842 🔗

Politically the resistance needs to send the tanks direct to our moronic PM and his merry band of comrades. Build back better ! ahh yes, let`s go for the driver next.
Labour are next to useless, so, in view of being nohing else, bring on the Reform UK Party and all the best to it !

249493 ▶▶ Ben, replying to nickbowes, 3, #659 of 1842 🔗

I suspect many UK politicians (and many around the world) are being bribed, blackmailed or coerced by the same entitity that is orchestrating lockdowns around the world. Whether it’s the WEF, the banks, the UN who’s pushing it.. I have no idea. But every country is reading from the same script

Masks are being mandated in Belarus. So even Lukashenko who said ‘No’ to lockdowns seems to have succumbed to pressure

Unfortunately, I don’t think Parliamentary politics will save us, especially when the likes of Valance and Whitty have shares in Pharma companies who stand to profit from ‘Covid’

I can’t think what the answer is

250083 ▶▶ blunt instrument, replying to nickbowes, #660 of 1842 🔗

BBC is the real enemy.

249381 microdave, replying to microdave, 19, #661 of 1842 🔗

Channel 4’s Dispatches has an undercover report from one of Britain’s biggest COVID-19 testing labs this evening, where evidence of serious failings have been uncovered

There must have been failings at one test centre as well:

A drive-through coronavirus testing site on the edge of Norwich has had to close – because of an outbreak of Covid-19 among the staff who work there
If having antibodies doesn’t save BoJo from isolating, what is the point in the rest of us wearing face nappies? They clearly don’t work.

But I think we all know that anyway….

249420 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to microdave, 8, #662 of 1842 🔗

Chatting to an unmasked guy in a shop last week, I asked him if his work was ok with it. He pulled out in lanyard and replied
‘They’re fine with it, I’m Security at the Covid testing station”.

249678 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to microdave, 4, #663 of 1842 🔗

All except the ones who muzzle up to the eyeballs in the open air. I wonder if they ever consider why people with respiratory problems use oxygen. The main ”offenders” seem to be young adults and people in wheelchairs – the very ones who should be taking great lungfuls of fresh air for the sake of their immune systems.

249385 blunt instrument, replying to blunt instrument, 2, #664 of 1842 🔗

Surely a false positive rate of 0.4% means that a test is 99.6% accurate. Or can someone explain my mistake?

249401 ▶▶ leggy, replying to blunt instrument, 3, #665 of 1842 🔗

You need to consider the false negative and prevalence of what is being tested for in the equation. Taking FNR out of the equation, if you prevalence was 0.4% too, then roughly half of any positive results would be false.

249406 ▶▶ calchas, replying to blunt instrument, 6, #666 of 1842 🔗

0.4% false positive means that if, say, 100 000 people aretested, then 400 people will produce a positive result, even if what is being tested for is not present in the population.

So, if 100 000 are tested and 1000 are positive, then only 600 of those will be real positives.

249431 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to calchas, 4, #667 of 1842 🔗

That still doesn’t sound too bad until you learn that the likely real infection rate (not random bits of dead virus) is much less than 0.6%.

249415 ▶▶ peter charles, replying to blunt instrument, 2, #668 of 1842 🔗

I think the formula is: True positive rate = positive rate – false positive rate. I always get confused by explanations of maths using numbers.

250067 ▶▶ blunt instrument, replying to blunt instrument, #669 of 1842 🔗

Should it just say 0.4, without the percentage? That would be a ratio of 2/5, or 40% false.

249394 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #670 of 1842 🔗

The proposed move to all electric cars will cost the Govt £40bn a year in lost tax on fuel

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1328283209898057728

249418 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Victoria, 7, #671 of 1842 🔗

To be recovered by putting up the price of electricty no doubt.

249419 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #672 of 1842 🔗

Possibly that, possibly tolls on all roads, probably both.

249459 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, 5, #673 of 1842 🔗

Don’t even need tolls for that, just black-boxes to record the bills.

249809 ▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to leggy, 1, #674 of 1842 🔗
250282 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to leggy, #675 of 1842 🔗

Watch Dr. Vernon Coleman’s take on Electric Cars. 13 minutes of nonstop debunking.

249424 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #676 of 1842 🔗

No, by charging £1.50 per mile driven.

249440 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Victoria, 17, #677 of 1842 🔗

They want the energy requirements of every vehicle in the country to be delivered by the national grid, which can barely cope with current demand.

Only a politician can dream up an idea that a primary school pupil could destroy in seconds.

249480 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #678 of 1842 🔗

I’m pretty sure that they are fully aware that the system cant cope with increased demand. They are most likely counting on 1 of 2 things:

  1. reduced population (they’re certainly giving this a fair go at the moment with the older generation).
  2. Rationing of energy through ‘smart’ technology and micro grids. I think something similar has been put forward on the progressive west coast of the USA to help combat climate change.

My take is that it is likely point 2 that they are currently aiming for under the ‘Reset’ agenda, with the gradual knock on effect leading to point 1 over 10-20 years.

249524 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mike, 9, #679 of 1842 🔗

Even simpler approach: just make it illegal to leave your house. No need for cars then.

Oh, wait…

249513 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to G.Fawkes, #680 of 1842 🔗

I believe you are wrong about this. There is plenty of overnight capacity in the grid.

249607 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Basileus, 1, #681 of 1842 🔗

The grid hit margin and issued a warning at the beginning of the month:

https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/national-grid-eso-assures-security-of-supply-as-margin-shortfall-reaches-477mw

“Not enough wind.” Perhaps they should set up a windfarm in parliament?

249636 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Victoria, 1, #682 of 1842 🔗

As I filled up my tank this morning, I was thinking that very thing (well, apart from the amount, though I knew it was large!).

250279 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #683 of 1842 🔗

I thought that the Dodo bird was extinct? Rishi could be a reincarnation of that wingless bird.

249403 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 7, #684 of 1842 🔗

Didn’t realise Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum has been talking up a ‘Cyber Pandemic’. The man seems to want us to live in a permanent state of fear – not working with me, tyrannical regimes always need an enemy, real or not.

“NEXT CRISIS BIGGER THAN COVID” – POWER GRID/FINANCE DOWN – WEF’S CYBER POLYGON https://www.bitchute.com/video/7jdzaIvviv0x/

249487 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Darryl, 10, #685 of 1842 🔗

People don’t realise the fun has only just started .
The globalist maniacs are going to pursue this to their desired destination unless they are stopped.

We only have two tools at our disposal,
1, mass refusal to comply , basically a general strike by the population.
2, political resistance in parliament

what hope of either ?

People need to get their affairs in order , pay down debt and develop methods of survival through a prolonged period of serious disruption to normal service.

This isn’t going away.

250287 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #686 of 1842 🔗

Insane. Shoot down his private jet.

249409 Victoria, 8, #687 of 1842 🔗

Re NHS to set up 43 specialist long Covid clinics

Forget about cancer and heart disease. Let’s set up 43 new clinics to deal with people exhibiting perfectly normal post viral symptoms, including brain fog and stress

Lets all clap for the NHS…

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1328248388253605888
—— ——-

There is no such a thing as Long Covid – just another thing invented to scare people

It is called post viral syndrome. Easily fixed by improving nutrient deficiencies. The body chews through nutrients in an effort to get rid of viruses

COVID-19 is a lack of nutrients, exploited by a virus https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2020/09/10/covid-19-is-a-lack-of-nutrients-exploited-by-a-virus/

249410 NickR, 25, #688 of 1842 🔗

Forget the 2nd wave…….

249412 Nigel Sherratt, 2, #689 of 1842 🔗

Excellent from Nick Macleod, arguable at the very least that Fauci et al and activists caused a great deal of damage by insisting that it was an equal opportunity plague.

249414 CGL, replying to CGL, 9, #690 of 1842 🔗

Have any of you seen this –

“quote from the chair of KPMG to the WEF last week, who said that;
“Covid – 19 was just a dress rehearsal.”

Another related comment says :-

“Jeffrey Broom it was stated in the Rockefeller lockstep document dated 2010 that a virus would be released in order to bring in stricter controls of the population and if people don’t comply, a more deadly version would be released with 30% fatality rate. Who knows if it’s true”

These are comments on a SORUK thread. Don’t know the source for either yet.

249435 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, 13, #691 of 1842 🔗

I must admit to being quite concerned to Gates’ smirking “they’ll notice the next one” comment.

249473 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 7, #692 of 1842 🔗

I saw that video of Bill and Melinda Gates’ duping delight too. Are they genuine psychopaths?

249499 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 2, #693 of 1842 🔗

Occam’s razor on that one.

249500 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, 1, #694 of 1842 🔗

PS – the lockstep document doesn’t say anything like that. It’s worth a read though if you haven’t read it.

249547 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, 2, #695 of 1842 🔗

No I haven’t – I thought you lot may have though 🙂
I am sceptical about sceptical stuff as well as non-sceptical stuff – can’t trust anyone these days!! Not sure I like being this paranoid though.

250373 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, #696 of 1842 🔗

Duckduckgo it, it’s out there. Makes an interesting read for sure.

249668 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to CGL, #697 of 1842 🔗

I wonder if that’s ”who knows” or ”WHO knows”?

249416 Cheezilla, 2, #698 of 1842 🔗

Digital identity anyone?

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/entry-point

Note the date of the article!

249417 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #699 of 1842 🔗

Watch the video. Sorry, I did not as I would not have been able to deal with the smugness

He says,

“It doesn’t matter about social distancing, or that I am bursting with antibodies. If you go near anyone with COVID, you have to isolate for 14 days”

So when does this end then Johnson?

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1328242621014290432

249421 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 3, #700 of 1842 🔗

Did you notice the nice #buildbackbetter tag too?

249438 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Victoria, 5, #701 of 1842 🔗

This latest stunt is telling us that the misery will never end. Don’t even dare mention that you have an immune system, it is useless against covid.
We will be allowed into their new normal if we accept a vaccine and have them boosted as and when they see fit.

249445 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to merlin, 6, #702 of 1842 🔗

The BEST PROOF our immune system is WORKING VERY well is this one…

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In fact in the Plantation where I live, the “doctors”/”health experts” don’t even prescribe any special drugs for those that have a “positive” amplification and are without symptoms! They just have a few extra days off… and that’s it!

Lovely scam isn’t it?

In reality OPERATION COVID main goal is just to START the CHANGE of Their Civilization.

249465 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #703 of 1842 🔗

It’s just viral, plenty of fluids and rest. But covid is special.

249655 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to merlin, 1, #704 of 1842 🔗

“covid” is just a special kind of stupidity.

249449 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Victoria, 4, #705 of 1842 🔗

He looks worse every day.

249472 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to DRW, 9, #706 of 1842 🔗

He does. I think somewhere deep down he knows that this is all wrong. It is not what he thought he signed up for and he’s deeply conflicted over the government’s actions. Couple that with the fact that he is (in my opinion) in a coercive relationship with the Princess NuttyNutty, and mental breakdown is far from impossible.
Or am I just giving him too much benefit of the doubt?

249497 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 12, #707 of 1842 🔗

This is just inane bullshit. Boris really is just far and beyond behaving in any way that could be described as sensible. This guy is now null and void.
A bullshit machine. Nobody can take him seriously any more. Boxing glove to pummel the virus with. FFS

There is no pejorative that is bad enough for this evil clown.

249837 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Victoria, #708 of 1842 🔗

Can one imagine Churchill saying: “Hi, Folks.”? It will be “guys” next.

249848 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ned of the Hills, #709 of 1842 🔗

Or shakily videoing himself close-up in portrait camera position. I like to think he would have at least used a laptop.

249423 Hester, replying to Hester, 34, #711 of 1842 🔗

Has anyone read the Telegraph and Matt Hancocks comments regarding the vaccine?On Talk radio he said that
The Health Secretary said he could not rule out making the Covid vaccine compulsory, but stressed he was hoping enough people would take it voluntarily.

This is Eugenics, It is also ilegal under article 6 of the Universal Bioethics and Human rights Declaration. Which incidentally this Government is trying to get us removed from.

249437 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Hester, 1, #712 of 1842 🔗
249447 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Hester, 9, #713 of 1842 🔗

What is particularly worrying is the Telegraph and even its more sceptical columnists have unquestionably got behind the vaccine bandwagon (whether they personally take it is something we probably won’t ever know). Anyone influencing the public should make this clear.

I still assume they will just up the fear and propaganda via the controlled media to the point where there will be long queues for the vaccine. Most of the public clearly believe the false narrative and harder to reach groups such as football fans are clearly going to be coerced via the ticket providers (I suspect many would inject anything if their favourite team and told them to for the greater good).

249471 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Darryl, 5, #714 of 1842 🔗

Football fans are absolute clowns when it comes to politics. If they spent half as much of their energy berating the government as they do with their team we might actually get places.

249491 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to JHuntz, 1, #715 of 1842 🔗

Absolutely I feel I’m banging my head against a wall on the forums I used to belong to hence the phrase used to belong to

249623 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #716 of 1842 🔗

It’s not cool to talk about politics that affects there whole way of life when you can discuss the merits of 352 vs 451…

249534 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to JHuntz, 1, #717 of 1842 🔗

Yet when they do, they are painted as right wing extremists and deplatformed.

249559 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, #718 of 1842 🔗

Yeah fair enough where I am from though the majority of celtic fans (of which I am myself) are hard left. They have this strange affiliation with the likes of Palestine because at some point the Irish immigrated over here. It’s a bizarre relationship.

249589 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Darryl, 6, #719 of 1842 🔗

It’s truly tempting just to let them get on with it. After all if they want to push ahead of us in the queue I’m happy.
I just have a couple of concerns
1) I believe on balance the vaccine will be safe, if pointless. However, we haven’t done the trials yet to prove that. Suppose it isn’t safe and shows really nasty reactions that cause such bad outcomes that the NHS is overwhelmed? Oh dear, who pays for that both financially and with worse health care outcomes for the rest of us?
2) Much simpler point – I don’t want my taxes spent on something we don’t need. We sure as hell need all the cash we can hang on to.

249663 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hester, 1, #720 of 1842 🔗

Perhaps I found this link here – anyway, it’s interesting:
https://mattbell.org/only-informed-consent-should-be-given-to-experimental-vaccine

250289 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Hester, #721 of 1842 🔗

Send him to prison.

249429 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 12, #722 of 1842 🔗

Hello 🙂

I have opened up a fruitful conversation with someone with considerable influence and a wide network. If I can demonstrate what’s going, she will influence many others in my region. She is very keen to learn more so any charts anyone has that show the following would be great….

  • Excess deaths
  • ICU capacity
  • Cases
  • Hospital admissions
  • Deaths of / with

Thank you 🙂

CM x

249432 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #723 of 1842 🔗

Quite a lot of the hospital data is here:

https://adapnation.io/how-is-your-local-hospital-coping/

If you download the spreadsheet, it’s clearer.

249518 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to leggy, #724 of 1842 🔗

They have a new insights dashboard also – https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

249529 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Sarigan, #725 of 1842 🔗

Thanks so much everyone….

249531 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to leggy, 2, #726 of 1842 🔗

thank you…

249439 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #727 of 1842 🔗

See Live Data on https://pandata.org

Also look to connect with Simon Dolan on twitter – many times he has great links

Obviously LS is a great source

249533 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Victoria, #728 of 1842 🔗

Thanks so much

249551 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #729 of 1842 🔗

Someone above posted this website

https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

249585 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Victoria, 2, #730 of 1842 🔗

Yes, Ivor Cummins’s interview with the South African Pandata chap was excellent. Adding important information on the devastation being wrought in the developing world on people living hand to mouth. The same people who need and are denied cheap electricity.

250019 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 3, #731 of 1842 🔗

That latest Triggonometry interview with the Thai-German doctor is worth a watch. Plus James Delingpole’s interview with Prof Michael Yeadon.

249461 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #732 of 1842 🔗

Once the person of influence realises we’re being lied to and learns about the politicians with conflicts of interest, the World Economic Forum and how every country is reading from the same script.. How the world is under attack from Pharma, the banks, and multiple vested interests in a ‘flu d’etat’ what then?

It’s gone past the science stage unfortunately

249550 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ben, 4, #733 of 1842 🔗

The veil needs to be lifted. I don’t know what the tipping point of being awake is. I don’t know what collective ‘awakeness’ will afford.

I have conversations with many people but I realise now it is irrelevant to have conversations with people that are

  1. already awake (echo chamber): unless we are deciding what action to take or they are already taking action and I can help
  2. uninterested / passive
  3. obstructive
  4. covid cult member
  5. don’t have a network of influence (i.e. people they can impassion with their findings who will believe them)

New person falls under 5.

250310 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Country Mumkin, #734 of 1842 🔗

We have to link up with other sceptical groups around the world and set up our own global network.

249495 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #735 of 1842 🔗

No charts, but the facts about Covid-19 page is a good starting point for a fact-checked list of non-hysterical information.

249577 ▶▶ steph, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #736 of 1842 🔗

Some of Ivor Cummins presentations? He often starts with an Irish centred view point which is fair enough. But he usually has other countries in the graphs. His most recent crucial update was great to show downturns before lockdowns in all countries that applied them. He also shows that excess deaths and ICU occupancy have not been out of the ordinary. Just search for him on YouTube

249773 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steph, 1, #737 of 1842 🔗

Agreed re.Ivor Cummins – really good graphics.

Then there’s :

250312 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steph, #738 of 1842 🔗

Definitely Ivor Cummins. He presents the info very clearly.

249446 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 35, #739 of 1842 🔗

Even though all governments except China’s have struggled to deal with the events of 2020, I think the complete collapse of the British system is without parallel in history. The British establishment has been bumbling along on a mixture of arrogance and, I think, a general belief in the population that the authorities sort of know what they’re doing, since 1945, perhaps longer, quietly pursuing the policy of managed decline and gradually cosying up to the EU as the next best hope for the entrenchment of establishment power. Then came Brexit and now comes covid, and true colours are revealed. The establishment is the emperor with no clothes. The people are still congratulating the emperor on his splendid garments. The Brexiteers turn out to be the rats that deserted the sinking ship. The ship sinks. The rats drown. The people congratulate the emperor on his splendid garments. Because they just can’t bring themselves to believe that it’s all gone this wrong. That there was this much arrogant, complacent incompetence at the heart of things. That there really is no one with the insight and ruthlessness to see what must be done and how. That it’s actually over. For the first time in history, a civilisation has driven itself over a cliff and cheered as it fell.

The education system was contracted out to the Marxists forty years ago and the whirlwind is being reaped: people leave school and university having learned essentially nothing except how to hate their own history. There is no one qualified to run the country.

249462 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -3, #740 of 1842 🔗

You make some reasonable points, and then go barmy with this :

The education system was contracted out to the Marxists forty years ago “

Of course it f.ing wasn’t. The main influencers were actually nostalgic reactionaries with personal ideas of grandeur – from Baker to Gove.

249468 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 4, #741 of 1842 🔗

Sigh.

249476 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #742 of 1842 🔗

I’m not going to join in with your shouting and your fucking this and fucking that. Clearly you believe what you believe. And you have far more belief in the power of Kenneth Baker and Michael Gove than I do. I think it’s the teachers in the classroom that matter. But there you go.

249490 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #743 of 1842 🔗

Daughter’s English teacher a fully paid up Marxist – and vocal.

249508 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 1, #744 of 1842 🔗

I was rather surprised to see a canal boat near Devises, very smart looking, matt black with gold trimmings with a red hammer and cycle painted on it.

250731 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Two-Six, #745 of 1842 🔗

Cycle?

249615 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to CGL, 10, #746 of 1842 🔗

My teacher in 1982: “theres no point in you lot learning anything, Reagan is going to drop nuclear bombs and kill us all soon”. We were 9 years old. Sheffield’s education system has always been run by marxists.

250359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to dickyboy, #747 of 1842 🔗

And that was two years before Threads, as well. Reagan derangement was that generation’s Trump derangement.

Sheffield’s education system has always been run by marxists .”

Wasn’t known as the People’s Republic of South Yorkshire for nothing.

249510 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to RickH, 5, #748 of 1842 🔗

Our education system is based on the Prussian model:

https://www.forcedschool.com/post/69947261758/the-prussian-model

“The Prussian mind, which carried the day, held a clear idea of what centralized schooling should deliver: 1) Obedient soldiers to the army; 2) Obedient workers for mines, factories, and farms; 3) Well-subordinated civil servants, trained in their function; 4) Well-subordinated clerks for industry; 5) Citizens who thought alike on most issues; 6) National uniformity in thought, word, and deed.”

John Taylor Gatto, The Underground History of American Education

So the current ruling class weltanschauung is stamped on formative minds, which is indeed an increasingly Marxist ideology.

249806 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #749 of 1842 🔗

100% correct.

For any doubters on the debasement of eduction please research Robert Muller and his global curriculum agenda etc etc.
The system has been reconfigured over the last 30 yearsto exclude, amongst other things , the teaching of critical analysis. This is one of the reasons there is so little questioning of whats going on. People have been schooled to accept the bs they are given without question.

The power of NSU etc leftist leaders was never controlled, certainly not be any conserv politicians.

249841 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #750 of 1842 🔗

Zoom university doesn’t even teach that.

249448 RickH, replying to RickH, 16, #751 of 1842 🔗

The Portuguese ruling is a bright spark in a pretty dark scene. Its rationality is an inspiration.

Would that we could achieve a similar judgment in this country. Are we buggered by the lack of clear constitutional principles?

249474 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #752 of 1842 🔗

Maybe, though principles are worthless unless there are people prepared to apply them honestly

249452 dpj, replying to dpj, 12, #753 of 1842 🔗

Surprise surprise, another vaccine now passed trials and it’s even better than last weeks!
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908

What’s interesting is this statement:

Is it safe?No significant safety concerns have been reported, but nothing, including paracetamol, is 100% safe.

Is that the best they can come up with as an argument against the ‘anti-vaxxers’? If you are happy to use paracetamol then you should be happy to take this vaccine!

249463 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to dpj, 8, #754 of 1842 🔗

They presume that the vast majority of the population are gullible idiots. They’re not wrong.

249503 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to dpj, 3, #755 of 1842 🔗

Indeed, that was spouted by Professor Robin Shattock of ICL, on Thursday’s Question Time. A spurious and wholly non-scientific response from someone who ought to know better.

249549 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dpj, 13, #756 of 1842 🔗

When Russia announced it had developed a vaccine, the elite told us that it was impossible for Russia to have developed a safe and effective vaccine as the process takes years.

When Pfizer announced they had developed a vaccine, the elite told us that anyone saying that it could not be known to be safe and effective as it takes years was spreading misinformation and should censored and criminalised as they pose a serious danger.

Apparently we are not supposed to recall what they said in previous news cycles and just believe and parrot the narrative of the day.

249574 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to dpj, 2, #757 of 1842 🔗

Perhaps they meant that a couple of asprin was all that was needed in most cases?

249544 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, 4, #759 of 1842 🔗

yes, maybe most of those who died in spring in Sweden were ready to go and were simply taken a few weeks/months early, and so deaths now are currently below the average as things balance out.

Sweden do not have all the additional and unnecessary deaths that the UK have because of unintended consequences of our lockdown and shutting down health services.

249572 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Major Panic, 14, #760 of 1842 🔗

My first and preferred theory so far for explaining the insanity we are living is that governments overreacted, screwed up the initial response and then saw the damage they had caused and realised they could never admit to it. Basically a giant cover up. And as long as they all stick to it they are fine.

They hate Sweden because Sweden is like someone telling on them.

249609 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 1, #761 of 1842 🔗

I agree. They are so complicit that they’ll double down. They’ll tell themselves that the people can’t handle the truth.

249602 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Major Panic, 5, #762 of 1842 🔗

Ivor Cummings said in the Energy Blueprint interview that most of those who died in Sweden (apart from the care homes residents) were Somali immigrants (lack of Vitamin D).

249455 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 23, #763 of 1842 🔗

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, was on BBC Breakfast this morning. Dan Walker, one of the BBC’s journalists presenters, attempted to challenge Hancock on Boris Johnson and Lee Anderson not practising social distancing in Number Ten. Hancock was in the BBC’s newsroom. Behind him, all through the interview, one could see lots of BBC personnel moving about. They were very clearly not practising social distancing. It seems virtue signalling hypocrisy is institutionalised at the BBC.

Not to be out done, on ITV’s Good Morning Britain, Piers Morgan condemned all the misogynistic and sexist abuse that Carrie Symonds has suffered and asserted that she ought to be the prime minister.

Watching the corporate media’s purported news is like watching an alternative, surreal parody of reality.

249485 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #764 of 1842 🔗

Carrie Symonds is the prime minster.

249526 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mabel Cow, #765 of 1842 🔗

How do you know this?

249554 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #766 of 1842 🔗

Through the power of flippant observation. 😀

249592 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #767 of 1842 🔗

You should be on SAGE.

249605 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #768 of 1842 🔗

I for one welcome our new leader Princess HubNut.

250592 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to guy153, #769 of 1842 🔗

Sine qua non…

249606 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #770 of 1842 🔗

It really is a window into the mind of a psychotic mind. These see through masks they are now wearing are absolutely dystopian

249711 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Steve Hayes, #771 of 1842 🔗

Surely the rules are Johnson has to isolate regardless of whether they were distancing? Why can’t Walker attack the rules, not that they weren’t being followed (which they were as far as I can see).

249748 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kf99, 1, #772 of 1842 🔗

Boris Johnson and Lee Anderson were photographed indoors, not wearing masks, clearly significantly less than two metres apart. That is not practising social distancing.

As to why can’t Walker attack the rules? He works for the BBC. As I suspect you will have noticed, they have a clear editorial policy on the issue.

250319 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, #773 of 1842 🔗

It’s the new and improved Jerry Springer Show.

249457 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #774 of 1842 🔗

Moderna Covid Jab shows 94.5% efficacy in clinical trials

“Out of 30000 people in the trials,95 had been identified with confirmed cases of Covid.Among those infected,5 people had received the two-dose vaccine,while 90 had received a placebo”

Remarkably similar to Pfizer

Shows there is no need for a vaccine

249464 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #775 of 1842 🔗

He experienced a severe reaction to Moderna’s covid-19 vaccine candidate. He’s still a believer

He is apparently, one of three people in the trial who had a systemic adverse reaction to the vaccine

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/26/moderna-vaccine-candidate-trial-participant-severe-reaction/

NIH owns half of Moderna vaccine
 https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-07-10-nih-owns-half-of-moderna-vaccine.html

250280 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #776 of 1842 🔗

He’s 29 years old, slim and presumably was healthy.
What about people 40 years older??

249475 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Victoria, 11, #777 of 1842 🔗

Moderna have never developed an approved drug , let alone a vaccine for a novel virus in world record time using mRNA technology. But BBC thinks it is safe so all must be good.

249481 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Victoria, 11, #778 of 1842 🔗

Assuming 15k were given vaccine and 15k the placebo then only 90 people out of 15k became infected without vaccine = 0.6%. Hardly a deadly infectious virus we should be worried about! Take the vaccine and reduce your chances of catching it from 0.6% to 0.003% when most people have 99.9% survival chance if they do.

249489 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to dpj, 10, #779 of 1842 🔗

This is a low prevalence virus ( in pfizers trial only 0.2pct tested positive) , with very low mortality if caught. On what basis are they going to receive emergency use authorisation. Surely every scientist and doctor in the world should find this completely unethical.

249557 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to merlin, 3, #780 of 1842 🔗

You’d think….

249598 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to merlin, 2, #781 of 1842 🔗

It’ll have absolutely no impact on death numbers given the fact that so many of these Covid deaths are classified as such due to process and not clinical diagnosis

249601 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to merlin, 2, #782 of 1842 🔗

You could give it to the New Zealanders and the Australians. Will be the vaccine trial to end all vaccine trials.

Agree that the 95 out of 30k participants in the placebo group speaks volumes– although we knew that was about what the prevalence was.

249791 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to guy153, 2, #783 of 1842 🔗

Yes, if the trial was done properly then surely both groups weren’t hiding in their homes and were out to shops, travelling on public transport etc as much as possible and only 0.6% became infected.

250285 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to merlin, #784 of 1842 🔗

It’s easy when They are all in this together!

249507 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 7, #785 of 1842 🔗

Utterly bonkers. There’s an argument in saying that based upon these trials, our immune system is 99.7% effective and that the vaccine may help to assist the 0.3%, but not all of them either.

249548 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Victoria, 4, #786 of 1842 🔗

Cue an announcement by the end of the week that the Sputnik vaccine is 97% effective after further trials. Great news – we’ll be in the 100% plus effective zone by the end of the month and the whole thing will be over.

249467 JudgeMental, replying to JudgeMental, 45, #787 of 1842 🔗

Simon Dolan on Twitter

I have come to the conclusion that the Govts intentions are simply to break the spirits of people and to decimate the economy.

The purpose?

To make you reliant and dependant on the Party

Look to China. That is their model.

249483 ▶▶ Mike, replying to JudgeMental, 9, #788 of 1842 🔗

spot on.

249486 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JudgeMental, 9, #789 of 1842 🔗

LS keeps us sane

249494 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to JudgeMental, 8, #790 of 1842 🔗

I agree. I have been thinking thus for some time.

249521 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JudgeMental, #791 of 1842 🔗

China decimated its economy. I must have missed that. I thought China had made massive strides in developing its economy and reducing poverty over the past decade or so.

249542 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #792 of 1842 🔗

Actually, FIRST it decimated its economy and broke the spirits of its people and then it went on an economic growth rampage.

A few decades of Maoism destroyed the economy and the rebellious spirit of the Chinese. Then they opened the economy up, but fully under the control of the CCP.

Simon Dolan’s observation is spot on.

249565 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to stewart, 3, #793 of 1842 🔗

Correct! Many parallels, Great Leap Forward, Red Guards …

249633 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stewart, 4, #794 of 1842 🔗

My mistake I hadn’t realised that the reference to China decimating its economy referred to the Great Leap Forward, instituted in 1958.

249634 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #795 of 1842 🔗

Mao drove the economy to ruin with 5 year plans, destroyed the family and education with the cultural revolution so as to begin a new beginning.
Pol Pot tried the same in Cambodia with less success.

250278 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, #796 of 1842 🔗

Millions starved to death first.

249538 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to JudgeMental, 6, #797 of 1842 🔗

I am the only one who gets to choose what breaks my spirit and what does not.

249545 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #798 of 1842 🔗

A box tied to your face with a rat in it says you’re wrong.

249558 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to stewart, 4, #799 of 1842 🔗

Or whatever your major phobia is. Mine would be a tarantula. I really doubt I could resist that threat. We all have breaking points.

249564 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to stewart, 1, #800 of 1842 🔗

And yet, the choice still remains.

249567 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #801 of 1842 🔗

Not once KGB have finished with you.

249575 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #802 of 1842 🔗

James Stockdale would disagree.

249469 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 24, #803 of 1842 🔗

Govt want to clamp down on ‘misinformation’ but media doctors like Hilary Jones & Sarah Jarvis are the real danger. Under the guise of expertise, they’re given big platforms to tell us to conform to whatever is being asked of us. Far superior doctors don’t get that exposure.

https://twitter.com/SoniaPoulton/status/1328304442131755010

249482 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Victoria, 20, #804 of 1842 🔗

The most damaging piece of misinformation currently in circulation is that the PCR is fit for purpose.

The government should start by publicly debunking that.

249512 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #805 of 1842 🔗

PCR testing is brilliant, more positive tests given out means more business. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the labs just look at the sample and give a result.
I can’t believe wancock will allow any debunking.

249517 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #806 of 1842 🔗

When they say misinformation, they do not mean inaccurate information. They mean anything that challenges the official narrative. But Labour’s Shadow Health Secretary can hardly be seen to be publicly calling for the criminalisation of anyone who challenges the official narrative.

250276 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, #807 of 1842 🔗

“Misinformation” now means The Truth.

249535 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #808 of 1842 🔗

Maybe we can use their impending new laws against them?

249593 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #809 of 1842 🔗

It’s more that the purpose isn’t fit for the PCR. It’s a perfectly good test if done properly and the results interpreted correctly.

I think the most shocking piece of misinformation is immunity denial. Of course there is a grain of truth– immunity after an infection is not total sterilizing immunity for life. But nobody ever thought it would be.

The immunity denial you see in the Guardian, BBC etc. is every bit as ridiculous and unfounded as the theory that 5G causes Covid. And yet it’s somehow become mainstream.

250266 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #810 of 1842 🔗

It is fit for purpose – but diagnostic testing isn’t its intended purpose.

249506 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Sarigan, 20, #812 of 1842 🔗

She is clearly a NWO puppet, I literally don’t understand why the majority of people can’t see what’s going on.

249514 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan, 15, #813 of 1842 🔗

Just nuts isn’t it. No virus, let’s get masked. #buildbackbonkers

249527 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Sarigan, 11, #814 of 1842 🔗

And the majority of the gormless population will applaud it.

249543 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 5, #815 of 1842 🔗

It is summer in NZ. Wait for winter to roll in

249504 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 8, #816 of 1842 🔗

Fascists to the right of them,
Totalitarians to the left of them.

249579 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bugle, 5, #817 of 1842 🔗

Or, in the words of Gerry Rafferty:

Clowns to the left of me!
Jokers to the right!
Here I am stuck in the middle with you.

249505 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 30, #818 of 1842 🔗

Toby, there is no such thing as “scientific data”. Data are facts, and no amount of facts constitute science. Science uses facts to establish laws and test hypotheses and generate theories, but the facts are not science. I mention this, not to be pedantic, but because the misuse of language is part of the reason we are in this (constant yet ever changing) lockdown nightmare. True, your misuse of the language is nothing like as egregious as Patrick Vallance’s “The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at” which was used to justify lockdown version two. But it all adds up. The pretence that positive tests are cases. The pretence that death with a positive test is died from the virus. The pretence that a vaccine is a public health measure, rather than a clinical treatment to confer immunity on the vaccinated individual. The pretence that an opinion from some hand picked expert is “the science” etc. We need accurate use of language if we are to demonstrate the deceptions of the lockdownistas.

249515 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #819 of 1842 🔗

This is so very very true.
The casual use of language is proving to be very insidious.

249638 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stewart, 2, #820 of 1842 🔗

I suspect a great deal of this casual use of language is anything but casual. I suspect much of it is intentional. When Jonathan Ashworth, the Shadow Health Secretary, calls for the censorship and criminalisation of people promoting misinformation, I am sure that he does not mean inaccurate information and does mean information and opinions that challenge the official narrative.

250329 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, 1, #821 of 1842 🔗

21st Century Newspeak.

249813 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #822 of 1842 🔗

I reckon you have an important point. ‘The Science’, if it is anything is a process, not a series of ‘facts’.

In the most accepted framework, ‘Following the Science’ means following a rational process of hypothesis testing, and accepting that the null hypothesis stands absent a convincing measure of the probability of the hypothesis being true.

By those normal and accepted criteria, almost all the key statements made by government have not stood the test, from assertions about the seriousness of SARS-CoV-2 to the measures implemented by regulation that bypasses the democratic process.

In short : the government case is based on unverified counter-factual assertion, not ‘The Science’.

249851 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 1, #823 of 1842 🔗

The government’s “science” is in fact pseudoscience. All of it. I have pointed this out before, so rather than repeating it: https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/10/coronavirus-pseudoscience.html

250046 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #824 of 1842 🔗

If you believe in science being objective see Stuart Richies book.. Science Fictions, Exposing Fraud , Bias, Negligence and Hype in Science to see it is anything but.

249509 stewart, replying to stewart, 24, #825 of 1842 🔗

Does the government have a plan of any sort?

Or is our life from now on just going to be dedicated to achieving an r-rate below 1 for the coronavirus?

If the only firm policy the government has is to achieve an r-rate below 1, then I guess we are all going to spend the rest of our lives as state lab rats for various cockamamie experiments on how to reduce coronavirus spread to less than 1. Lockdowns, masks, isolations, tests, vaccines and whatever crazy idea comes up next.

Coronaviruses have been around since before humans appeared on the scene and will certainly be around long after us.

249519 ▶▶ merlin, replying to stewart, 11, #826 of 1842 🔗

The plan is clear, slowly suffocate the population.

249522 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to merlin, 8, #827 of 1842 🔗

I can’t breathe (now where have I heard that before . . .)

249520 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to stewart, 17, #828 of 1842 🔗

Let’s be honest, life is over from this point on unless the masses realise what is going on.

249569 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #829 of 1842 🔗

They’re getting paid for masturbating and watching TV. It seems unlikely.

249644 ▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #830 of 1842 🔗

Coronanists?

249583 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Anothersceptic2, 10, #831 of 1842 🔗

I agree.

I’m looking for quotes for my shop blackboard (if nothing else it pisses off the BID chairwoman who has just done her lemon-sucking routine at the latest one) and I found this, which I think is apt:

A man’s mind will very generally refuse to make itself up until it be driven and compelled by emergency.

Anthony Trollope

249660 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to kh1485, 10, #832 of 1842 🔗

“There is nothing more corrupting, nothing more destructive of the noblest and finest feelings of our nature, than the exercise of unlimited power.”

William Henry Harrison

249555 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 6, #833 of 1842 🔗

The plan is to roll out the vaccine, and depending on who you think is right and the real reasons behind this they will either then gradually get us back to normal or the nonsense will carry on forever, or some combination of the two

The “plan” was always and only to have a continuous lockdown of varying shape and size until there was a vaccine

249586 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 7, #834 of 1842 🔗

I very much doubt that the “plan” is to stop all the lockdown nonsense when a vaccine is rolled out.

249629 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 3, #835 of 1842 🔗

Actually, the first plan was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the NHS.

But that changed.

Keeping the R-rate below 1 isn’t really a plan. It’s more a way of life.

250216 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, #836 of 1842 🔗

The R rate is a red herring!

250215 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #837 of 1842 🔗

This isn’t about a vaccine!

249594 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to stewart, 16, #838 of 1842 🔗

The only identifiable plan is that which has been and is being promoted by the WEF. The very fact that numerous Govts around the world are reading from an identical script using the same language confirms that this is no conspiracy theory but documented, widely advertised and supported, provable reality. Either our various Judiciaries will save us from the totalitarian demands with which we are faced or they will be revealed to be yet another part of the problem. I am half way through watching the Reiner Fuellmich/Mike Yeadon/Clare Craig video, long at nearly four hours but enormously rewarding as it comprehensively examines and dismantles the narratives with which we have been presented and which have got us to where we are now. The three uniformly central suppositions of this narrative are: 1. There is asymptomatic transmission 2. There is no prior immunity 3. (mass) PCR testing can reliably demonstrate infectiousness. None of these are true, yet they are all being parroted simultaneously in multiple locations. If the Judiciary, when invited to do so, are unable or unwilling to find that deception, deliberate or otherwise, is at the root of this travesty of public health policy and curtailment of our civil liberties, then we shall have to soldier on until the emperor stands exposed in all his naked odiousness. We will do it, of course, because there is simply no alternative.

249626 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stewart, 5, #839 of 1842 🔗

They don’t want it to end, see JHuntz above. State of Emergency called so ECHR circumvented = loads of power for as long as it lasts.

249516 Emma, replying to Emma, 21, #840 of 1842 🔗

Has anyone had any experience of challenging hospital protocols in place around restricting visitors? My 83 year old mother had a massive stroke yesterday and the hospital refuses any visits for 10 days, then only twice a week for an hour. They will not budge. I’m wondering if it could be challenged under ECHR right to family life? They think my 90 year old dad, very deaf, can communicate with my mother, who can hardly speak, over zoom ffs.

249597 ▶▶ steph, replying to Emma, 3, #841 of 1842 🔗

Sorry you are having to go through that. It must be very stressful. Hopefully some of the knowledgeable people on here will have some pointers.

249611 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Emma, 8, #842 of 1842 🔗

The problem is the government have declared a state of emergency that allows them to circumvent the Human Rights Act. The ECHR is effectively not worth the paper it’s written on. The relevant section is article 8 it may be worth a shot regardless. So sorry to hear this is happening to you.

249614 ▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Emma, 6, #843 of 1842 🔗

That’s really rotten. Only thing I can think of is trying the hospital’s patient liaison service, assuming they have one, and if the office is open. If I were you I’d go along in person. I’ve done that before now, sooner than phone or email and have to wait for a response. They’ve always been very good when I’ve been in touch with them – really understanding, and able to help. Good luck!

249797 ▶▶ Mrs Two-Six, replying to Emma, 6, #844 of 1842 🔗

This is beyond cruel. I feel for you and your family. I don’t know if quoting The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020 would help in this situation?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/made

Restrictions on leaving home
5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.
(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)—
(a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies ;

Exceptions: leaving home
6.—(1) These are the exceptions referred to in regulation 5.

Exception 4: medical need etc
(6) Exception 4 is that it is reasonably necessary for P to leave or be outside P’s home—
(a)to seek medical assistance, including to take any medical tests, be vaccinated or access any of the services referred to in paragraph 47 of the Schedule;
(b)to donate blood or attend medical trials;
(c)to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm;
(d)to attend a person giving birth (“M”) at M’s request;
(e)to visit a person (“V”) receiving treatment in a hospital or staying in a hospice or care home, or to accompany V to a medical appointment and P is—
(i)a member of V’s household,
(ii)a close family member of V, or
(iii)a friend of V.

If that does not work get onto your MP and create merry hell.

I hope you get to visit.

Mrs Two-Six

250222 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mrs Two-Six, 2, #845 of 1842 🔗

Good work Mrs 2-6

This a situation I think a lot of us hope never to find ourselves in and you just never know if it might happen.

It is bad and stressful enough even in normal times but the inhumane cruelty that people are now being treated with is indescribable.

Emma I hope you and your parents can get through this. Much love to you.

250180 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Emma, 4, #846 of 1842 🔗

Ask the Ward Sister for the name and contact number of the social worker that covers your mother’s ward.
Ask for an urgent urgent social care assessment. This is your entitlement. (Hospital discharge planning was my former job!)

The assessment should include your father’s view as well as your mother’s. Also it should include physiotherapy & occupational therapy as it’s vital to mobilise as much as possible soon after a stroke. Your mother must sit out in a chair daily & not stay in bed.

I would be worried about these first 10 days without a visit as she may feel abandoned and this will impact on her willingness to mobilise. Stress how the contact with your father is thus vital for her well-being to improve mobility and independence and facilitate early discharge (These are started as early as possible).
P.S. Use as many of these Buzz words as possible,

249528 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #847 of 1842 🔗

AdapNation have launched a brilliant new insights dashboard:

https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

Cracking information.

249541 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, #848 of 1842 🔗

Great website

249532 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #849 of 1842 🔗

False Positive Covid Tests Will Extend Unjustified Lockdowns, Fauci Admits ‘Miniscule’ Accuracy

Fauci added, “ If you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more that the chances of it being replication competent are miniscule. ” Got that, minuscule . Fauci didn’t stop there. “ You almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle. So I think if someone does come in with a 37…38, even 36, ya gotta say, ya know, it’s just dead nucleotides. Period.

After hearing Fauci, the next logical question for populations being held under lock and key is: What cycle thresholds are being run on the current Covid tests ?

.

On two separate occasions , Jefferson and Heneghan attempted to warn UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson against the lockdown strategy. They called for a national program of testing quality control to ensure accurate, precise and consistent results, among other common sense ideas. The two had said they searched in vain for evidence that the tests in use in the UK have been independently validated. They further called for transparency around data showing how sensitive the laboratory processes have been.

In the UK, the reality of false positives is urgent. Johnson and his gaggle of tone deaf officials are rolling out mandatory testing for all residents of four towns and counting.

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/false-positive-covid-tests-will-extend-unjustified-lockdowns-fauci-admits-miniscu

249552 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 11, #850 of 1842 🔗

I wrote to my local Minister three times in the past 4 months with two specific requests. Always the same two, just with added citations of information each time.

Publish the FPR and NPR being tracked by the health authority here in Northern Ireland

Publish names of all PCR tests being used and their CTs.

Thats it. I knew that if they did that, it would be game over. He’s ignored all three mails. In that time now we’ve manufactured a crisis with chool closures, exam uncertainty, NHS staff shortages, cancellation of electives and subsequent deaths, loss of liberties and freedoms.

Complicit. No other word for it. He’ll be forever reminded of this

249536 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #851 of 1842 🔗

Has there been any press coverage of the Portuguese Court decision? Can’t find anything online

249578 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #852 of 1842 🔗

You could try emailing Deborah Cohen. She’s pretty honest I think and has done some OK stuff for the BBC. If you do an internet search for her, she has her own website and that has her email address, which she does look at and sometimes answer. You could email her some snippets from the piece above the line.

249759 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #853 of 1842 🔗

I am Portuguese and have been watching the news here today and yesterday. If there was any mention of that decision, I haven’t seen it – I learned of it through here. The news are almost exclusively “in five days we are all going to die, because the hospitals are overwhelmed if you don’t all wear masks in your sleep” propaganda.

249537 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #854 of 1842 🔗

Ivor Cummins on Lockdowns, Immunity, Curves, Mortality Rates, and Making Sense of The World’s COVID Data

  • The three primary reasons why a curve goes down during an epidemic
  • The WHO guidelines to a pandemic (This will shock you!)
  • The critical role of herd immunity
  • The link between mortality rates and prior seasons
  • Why Sweden is getting shamed in the media for their COVID strategies
  • The shocking data on mortality rates from COVID-19
  • And much, much more…

https://www.theenergyblueprint.com/ivor-cummins/

249580 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Victoria, 1, #855 of 1842 🔗

Excellent interview, highly recommended. The interviewer is well-informed and asks intelligent questions.

250168 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, 2, #856 of 1842 🔗

People need to realize too, that the WHO guidelines were absolutely crystal clear on this in November 2019 publication, decades of science. No quarantine for pandemics. Once the virus is in the country, no point, just no point. The Irish pandemic guidelines, I downloaded the same thing. They also say the test and trace, there’s no point once the virus is broadly in a country. These measures are only if you’ve got an Island nation, and you’re actually attempting to keep it out.

249546 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 16, #857 of 1842 🔗

Our visit to the out-of-town retail park this morning just underlined how stupid are the “rules”

Asda, fully open including all the franchises inside, selling food, clothes, homeware etc.

B and M next door, fully open, selling food, homeware, toys, gardening goods, a few clothing items.

Matalan next door, closed apart from click and collect for clothes and homeware.

M and S lower floor open, selling food, a selection of ladies’, men’s and children’s ware, Christmas shop open. Upstairs closed for homeware and the rest of men’s and children’s ware.

If you tell the shop assistant at the bottom of the (working) escalators what you want from upstairs, she will fetch it for you. No, We want to be able to see and feel the fitted sheet we had gone to buy.

Overheard an assistant explaining to a customer “Asda is open because it is about 80% food and 20% clothes, whereas M and S is the other way round”

Madness!

249595 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Margaret, 4, #858 of 1842 🔗

So there is an 80/20 rule in play now. Who knew?

249694 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Margaret, #859 of 1842 🔗

Sorry, can’t tell ware from wear!

249553 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 11, #860 of 1842 🔗

As a native German I check the RKI data every day.
They have a useful graph, comparing date of illness onset with date of test/notification to the authority.
The “date of onset of symptoms” has been very low for 10days, compared to “date of reported positive test”.
Today I noticed an explanation at the bottom, that much more “asymptomatic” tests results are being reported than actual illness.

On Fri 13th “ill” 537 , +tests: 15.358

I doubt the German MSM uses this info in their reporting.
And as at least 2 states have declared that they only want to test people with symptoms (as it has become too expensive to test people for free), the +test number should come down to more realistic numbers.

249600 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Silke David, 3, #861 of 1842 🔗

That will be sold as ‘lockdown working’

249556 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 12, #862 of 1842 🔗

Yesterday, due to dislocating my shoulder i had to visit my local A&E. Nurse, Consultant, x-ray, consultant, x-ray, consultant again – and then out with mended shoulder in 1.5 hrs.
Can`t complain and well done NHS !

249571 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, 5, #863 of 1842 🔗

Did they try to stick anything up your nose or were you not “admitted”?

249576 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Julian, 10, #864 of 1842 🔗

Just a quick temperature check at the door.

249608 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to nickbowes, 4, #865 of 1842 🔗

I got the temp check and had a few questions… lost your sense of smell? Had a cough? Etc.

249610 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 3, #866 of 1842 🔗

Around here anyone arriving without a negative test, ie emergency, is tested on arrival.

249604 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to nickbowes, 5, #867 of 1842 🔗

Exactly my experience of 2 A&E visits in recent months. Triaged 5 minutes after registering…

At a visit for a pre-op assessment in July I was greeted by five staff who jumped to attention and were all desperate to claim me as I was the only patient there.

249560 Fingerache Philip., 31, #868 of 1842 🔗

Remember 2016:”Take back control!!”
Dunno about that but this government has TAKEN CONTROL alright; control over absolutely every sleeping, waking moment of everybody’s life, day in, day out.

249570 Stuart, 8, #869 of 1842 🔗

With 26,000 more “excess” non-Covid deaths in the home this year (a firmly established upward trend) the NHS can soon commence to close its empty Covid-only hospitals and save a pile of money.

249573 miahoneybee, replying to miahoneybee, 3, #870 of 1842 🔗

https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE

Well worth taking an hour out to listen to ( not much else to do anyway apart from work 😉 ).

249590 ▶▶ Johet, replying to miahoneybee, 2, #871 of 1842 🔗

I watched it last night. I thought it was excellent and am now contemplating whether I should risk sharing it with my non sceptical family.

249637 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Johet, 1, #872 of 1842 🔗

Hi Johet,

Not sure how relevant (or not!) this is, but I realised yesterday that the chap behind the new vaccine is also at the University of Mainz which is where Bhakdi was from too.

Kindest regards

Simon

249746 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Johet, 2, #873 of 1842 🔗

I tried it on my sister, thinking surely this would make her wake up and smell the coffee. No such luck!. Even though she is anti vaccine and has strong views on big pharma, she still believes all this rubbish. I have given up now, I truly believe that a lot of people have been brain washed to such a degree that there is no way back for them.

249947 ▶▶▶ Catherine Smith, replying to Johet, 1, #874 of 1842 🔗

I commented on this yesterday. I also thought it was excellent and enthused about it to my husband but he hasn’t watched it. He is a ‘stoic’ , not quite a zealot!!

249617 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to miahoneybee, 3, #875 of 1842 🔗

This is the triggernometry with Sucharit Bhakdi in case anyone’s wondering pre-click.

249584 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 24, #876 of 1842 🔗

BBC report on new vaccine with smiling Fergus Walsh, onto Hull and packed ICU scenes. Interviewing ICU patients (???). One person blamed it on not wearing a mask for her ending in ICU.

You have to hand it to them. They are persistent

249591 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 24, #877 of 1842 🔗

I know. It’s absurd interviewing ICU occupants. Anyone fit for interview wouldn’t normally be in ICU.

249599 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Jonathan Smith, 7, #878 of 1842 🔗

I wouldn’t put it past them to be dragging people into ICUs that don’t need to be there. Got to keep up the fear level, don’t you know?

249667 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to James Leary #KBF, 9, #879 of 1842 🔗

The lady who blamed her condition on not wearing a mask should review the papers showing correlation between obesity and ICU intake. Just saying

249679 ▶▶▶▶▶ John K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #880 of 1842 🔗

Definitely wasn’t the chicken nuggets and pork pies she scoffed for breakfast, lunch and dinner…

250622 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #881 of 1842 🔗

According to Dr Vernon Coleman a white paper by Moderna freely admits that their vaccine will affect your DNA. Check it out.

250545 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Smith, #882 of 1842 🔗

Keir Starmer is not a Human Rights lawyer he’s a Human Blight lawyer.

249908 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #883 of 1842 🔗

Fergus Walsh’s reporting has been an utter disgrace throughout.

249588 Jay Berger, 20, #884 of 1842 🔗

Spot on assessment of the anti-vaccine censorship conundrum.
The more they argue for or do ignoring and censoring questions and criticism of the vaccines, the less trust will any rational person have in them, scientists and the vaccine.
Why can’t or don’t want they, and in particular the judges, understand this simple fact?!

249603 Will, replying to Will, 8, #885 of 1842 🔗

The absolute priority has to be going after the efficacy of the tests. Don’t worry about the vaccine rabbit hole, focus on false positives.

249613 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Will, 14, #886 of 1842 🔗

Even if every single positive is a real positive, our case still stands – a vaccine is not necessary and the amount we are spending is not proportionate, because the risk is not great enough.

249622 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Will, 6, #887 of 1842 🔗

Spot on.

What’s the latest on the Scouse lateral flow tests ? It looked to be a potential game changer last week when the initial results revealed a (not) surprising absence of the Deadly Virus. Anyone heard or seen anything more ?

249654 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bill h, 8, #888 of 1842 🔗

MSM seem to have lost interest in mass testing for Liverpool, can’t imagine why.

249624 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 8, #889 of 1842 🔗

Maybe

The vaccine is a worry

I think it’s too late for the vaccine to be abandoned

I suppose if the tests are exposed as the nonsense they are, people will be much less bothered about the vaccine and it will be politically harder to make it mandatory

But it’s a big risk

A mandatory vaccine will be damaging to health and liberty – enormously so – and a de facto mandatory vaccine will restrict the lives of many. There are medical reasons why I would not take one, over and above the general objections, but it might mean I can never leave the country again

249632 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Julian, 8, #890 of 1842 🔗

I have been looking up the history of Thalidomide, a drug which caused much misery to its victims.

Thalidomide’s development is interesting in that it appears to have been developed during the Nazi period in Germany and was tested on concentration camp inmates.

That aside, I would argue that because when it was issued to the populations of various countries, it had never been tested on pregnant women. It was those and their children who were adversely affected by the drug.

I would argue that this proposed Covid vaccination will be in the same league in terms of testing. To issue the drug in just one year will mean that it will not have been properly tested, if tested at all!

As someone brighter than me has posted on this site, and is worth repeating:

“The vaccine should be tested on politicians first. If they survive, the vaccine is safe. If they don’t, then the country is safe.”

249653 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to petgor, 5, #891 of 1842 🔗

It worries me that people keep banging on about the vaccine without exercising any caution about how quickly it is being developed and the inherent risks in such a speedy roll-out.

The blind trust that the public have in drugs and their ignorance of the side-effects is very concerning.

A very interesting book, on a related subject, is Barbara Seaman’s The Greatest Experiment Ever Performed on Women : Exploding The Estrogen Myth.

249639 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Will, 7, #892 of 1842 🔗

You are right , but to fight these people we need to use their tactics e.g I have tried to convince many lockdown zealots that their level of Fear is unreasonable and no amount of hard data or logical reasoning gets through.

However the prospect of rolling their sleeve up for a vaccine is genuinely frightening for a lot of people. There will be huge resistance to the vaccine, I suspect the nhs collaborators will also very quickly find their voices.

249834 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to merlin, 1, #893 of 1842 🔗

Am I correct in thinking that the manufacturers are not legaly liable for any adverse reactions and the fact there is a legal system in the UK with a capped payout for damages?

249743 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Will, 4, #894 of 1842 🔗

Stop the PCR tests and the ‘pandemic’ stops

250719 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Ben, #895 of 1842 🔗

That’s it, in a nutshell.

249620 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 23, #896 of 1842 🔗

Hundreds of dentists in danger of going out of business with increases in jaw cancer, tooth decay,infections and other medical problems in the next few months.
I hope that the sheep and collaborators suffer from the toothache from hell.

249789 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #897 of 1842 🔗

Who would have thought in the beginning of the year that we will not have access to dental services? More like 3rd world lack of services.

249796 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #898 of 1842 🔗

Dentists refuse to see patients and are in danger of going out of business. Who would have thought it?

249888 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #899 of 1842 🔗

Yep – serves them right, except it’s us that will suffer.

249631 Mike, replying to Mike, 4, #900 of 1842 🔗

Can someone explain to me how they are working these vaccine trials?

Am I right in thinking that they are injecting half of the volunteers (30K in latest one) with the vaccine and half with the placebo (aka another vaccine), then seeing who (if anyone) develops covid like symptoms?

Am I right in assuming they aren’t actually treating anyone who actually has Covid?

If no one has it but they illicit an antibody response to the vaccine but haven’t trialed it against the real deal, how do they know how effective it will be. Are they not opening themselves up to the ferret scenario and wild virus exposure?

If the latest batch of poison being touted today has had 95 people (out of 30K) show covid symptoms, only 5 of which had the actual vaccine, doesn’t that in itself highlight how easily other illnesses can be attributed to Covid if the other 90 people with symptoms had an alternative vaccine (presumably something like MMR)?

249640 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mike, 7, #901 of 1842 🔗

That seems to be it. Life appears to be a 99.7% effective vaccine.

249641 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Mike, 12, #902 of 1842 🔗

Moderna Vaccine TLDR:

30k in trial.

15k on Placebo.

15k on Vaccine.

90 on Placebo caught Covid.

5 on Vaccine caught Covid.

29,905 did not catch Covid.

14,910 on the Placebo did not catch Covid.

14,995 on the Vaccine did not catch Covid.

Laughable

249643 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Sarigan, 9, #903 of 1842 🔗

Sames statistical twisting they do with statins.

249646 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 4, #904 of 1842 🔗

I doubt they have considered false positives either.

249661 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 4, #905 of 1842 🔗

90 caught Covid of which how many ended up ill? Did they only count symptomatic?

249645 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Mike, 5, #906 of 1842 🔗

They use another vaccine so that it hides the number of extra side effects that would be noticed against a sugar/saline solution.

249859 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 3, #907 of 1842 🔗

I believe in the US trials the FDA — because of Del Bigtree and his non-profit ICAN — made the manufacturers use an actual saline placebo vs. the meningitis vaccine which they had intended to use as the “placebo.” Trials outside the US are likely using the meningitis vaccine as the placebo.

249650 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mike, 5, #909 of 1842 🔗

placebo (aka another vaccine)

A vaccine is not a placebo. A placebo is a substance that has no therapeutic effect. A sugar pill or a saline solution are typical used.

250107 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #910 of 1842 🔗

Agreed, however they seem to use placebo and placebo group to represent the comparison group in these types of trial. I agree, what they actually do and how they test is far from a placebo but it keeps the sheeple from asking to many questions.

249686 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Mike, 4, #912 of 1842 🔗

some time ago one of the “tv doctors” said that she was participating in a trial – i think it was the oxford – and the control sample on that trial was given a meningitis vaccine . i would agree that placebo is not the correct word to use as a placebo is a substance that has no therapeutic effect

249780 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mjr, 2, #913 of 1842 🔗

The ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine trial (2020-07-20) used the MenACWY vaccine as the control.

249635 Pendolino, replying to Pendolino, 6, #914 of 1842 🔗

Hi everyone, Can I reach out to the Scottish reader who tipped off Toby re the National Records of Scotland table published in today’s Lockdown Sceptics main page? Bearing in mind that the Holyrood Harridan seems poised to jail the million or so of us in and around Glasgow, I was poised to fire off a letter to The Herald et al with a link to the table. The LS link takes you only to the main dashboard page. Alas, I have combed through the entire dashboard including the excel charts but can find no such table. Can you point me to its location please?
On closer inspection I can see that it might be a painstaking construction arrived at through compilation of various charts. If so, may I ask how it was put together and precisely what information sources were used? I am NOT trying to trip anyone up here. Nor do I have any suspicions about the data the table reveals. I just want to ensure absolute accuracy in any dealings with the media.

249683 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Pendolino, #915 of 1842 🔗

Yeah, it would be good if we could find the sources i’d like to issue this out also

249874 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Pendolino, #916 of 1842 🔗

I would be interested as well. In fact I would like to see more charts and graphs for Scotland as there seems to be very little I can find online.

I do like your term for her in Edinburgh, Holyrood Harridan seems much more educated than my term which is not for print.

249647 leggy, replying to leggy, 18, #917 of 1842 🔗

How do you even begin to break down this level of brainwashing/propaganda?

249651 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 13, #918 of 1842 🔗

It’s a cult. Simple messaging with no real point to it, while the Wizard pulls the levels in his Palace. A lack of belief in the cult is the reason for all woes.

Positive psychology bullshit. Believe and it shall be so.

249676 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #919 of 1842 🔗

Believe and it shall be so
In a post-truth world it is so, whilst objective fact, scientific reasoning, and culture all hurtle over the cliff into oblivion.

249652 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to leggy, 15, #920 of 1842 🔗

Just reply with the same slogan they are using this year!

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249673 ▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 9, #921 of 1842 🔗

Do we have any proof that rreal ‘Nurse Kelsey’ exists?

Propaganda – you can bet real nurses know the situation.

249681 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 16, #922 of 1842 🔗

Well the girl that whisteblowed about the trust in Cornwall said she was surprised at how much her colleagues bought into COVID even when the data didn’t support it.

Lets face it a lot of NHS staff are loving this new found self importance coupled with a reduced workload.

249688 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to leggy, 2, #923 of 1842 🔗

As René Artois would say – Stupid Woman!

249754 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to leggy, 2, #924 of 1842 🔗

I have just thrown up my late lunch!. This makes me so angry that I could happily throttle the person who wrote it.

250129 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #925 of 1842 🔗

They’re probably surrounded by several other blokes of the 77th.

250140 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #926 of 1842 🔗

Kelsey is/was the name of a key nurse character on Casualty …..

249776 ▶▶ stewart, replying to leggy, 13, #927 of 1842 🔗

Goodness me, how about you just shut up and get on with your job, you annoying nurse.

What did you think your job was going to be when you signed up to be a nurse? Has it come as a shock to you that you have to deal with sick people?

Note to doctors and nurses who are planning on complaining: shut up and do your jobs.

249808 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to stewart, 8, #928 of 1842 🔗

First, these are the people in full PPE and yet patients are still testing positive for Covid after being in hospital settings. How does she explain that? Can’t very well blame the rest of us for nosocomial infections.

Second, maybe she thinks firefighters should stop doing their jobs because fire can burn and even kill, therefore those in burning buildings should fend for themselves and not expect firefighters to come in after them. Policing is dangerous too, so cops should just declare themselves vulnerable and only agree to desk duty.

249887 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leggy, 7, #929 of 1842 🔗

That’s good, because they’re not getting my applause or donated pizza.

Someone like this should have never gone near a nursing qualification. This is basically what they are saying:

We need you to stop going to work and doing your job so that you stop earning money and paying taxes that literally and figuratively pay our salaries… oh, wait.

249657 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 46, #930 of 1842 🔗

A FOI appeal just came back.

In the opinion of the County Council’s Director of Public Health the subject of your request relates to Central, and not, Local Government policy. The Director of Public Health has confirmed that neither he, nor the County Council, have been provided with the government’s ‘workings out’ and have not been provided with, what you refer to as “official document(s) and guidance”.

As your request relates to Central Government policy and you have already, according to your request, contacted the Department of Health and Social Care, I would recommend that you take up the matter either with your MP or the Secretary of State.

So again, a council has no supporting evidence ro science to justify enforcing ny legislation.

My reply to them just for the hell of it:

Thank you for your open, honest but unsurprising answer.

Central Government have so far been unable to supply any scientific evidence under FOIs to support any of the measures taken since March 2020.

I am surprised that the Council, who are sometimes heavy-handedly enforcing these measures in conjunction with the Police have not researched the science for themselves but just taken the powers given to them and commenced enforcement of the legislation without regard if the measures are proportionate, will work or have any justification.

In short your answer amounts to “we are just following orders”.

Articles 3, 5, 9, 12, 13, 18, 19, 20.1, 23.1, 25.1, 27 and 30 in the UN Declaration of Human Rights are all being trampled upon.

Articles 3, 4, 8, 16, 25, 26 and 41 in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union are all being trampled upon.

Under the UN Principles of International Law Recognized in the Charter of the Nürnberg Tribunal and in the Judgment of the Tribunal 1950 the Uk Government is committing Crimes Against Humanity.

Under this document Principles III, IV and VII are relevant to your actions in willingly enforcing any legislation and that your defence is not acceptable.

Class action lawsuits against Governments are in the process of being prepared in this and other countries on exactly these grounds.

Once again, thank you for your honest answer, it is much appreciated.

249675 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #931 of 1842 🔗

Sterling work once more AG.

249684 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #932 of 1842 🔗

Bloody fantastic.

249664 nickbowes, 25, #933 of 1842 🔗

Comrades!

Comrade Chairman (who overcame previous infection) has been in contact again with deadly disease, so must isolate in case of re-infection.

To prevent future need for isolation, glorious Party will spend billions of Party money on vaccines produced by Party patrons which will mean isolation is no longer needed!

Vigilant comrades are advised to be on guard against wreckers, bigots, oppositionists, other *ists and *phobes who spread rumours that there is a contradiction in a vaccine giving better immunity than an actual infection.

This will increase tractor production!

249666 NoelGallagherseyebrow, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 23, #934 of 1842 🔗

Am I being stupid here? Surely if no immunity was gained from having the virus once (sorry a positive test result) then we would be hearing of millions of reinfection stories? Haven’t there been like 5 worldwide and even they were dodgy? With that in mind, why is Boris isolating again?

249671 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 22, #935 of 1842 🔗

To coerce the population to comply with rules
To make them think that a vaccine is the only solution
To make them think that you can still spread it even if you have had it

It is pure theatre

250680 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Sarigan, #936 of 1842 🔗

As was the staged departure of Cummings. All conjurors rely on their audience seeing what they expect to see. If it is a particularly tricky trick, the use of some smoke and a few mirrors will always create the desired effect of mass credulity and open-mouthed wonder.

249680 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 5, #937 of 1842 🔗

perhaps because if having had it gave you some immunity from self-isolation and their other stupid rules, everyone would go and get it on purpose.

249708 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 4, #938 of 1842 🔗

Because his handlers have told him that we’re too stupid to realise that actually he doesn’t need to. That we couldn’t possibly have read reports and opinion by REAL experts more qualified on the subject than the risibly named ”sage” bunch. And that many of us now have a rough layman’s idea of how this (fast vanishing) virus and immunity works.

249873 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 2, #939 of 1842 🔗

He’s got to because they’ve told us that you don’t gain any immunity.

249925 ▶▶ guy153, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 2, #940 of 1842 🔗

He has to pretend to follow his own stupid rules or people would make even more fun of him. Maybe Dom’s cunning revenge plan is to catch him breaking them.

249962 ▶▶ petgor, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, #941 of 1842 🔗

I still don’t understand the point of testing. Surely, if it is going to have any value it will have to be a permanent feature of life. Everybody will have to be tested all of the time.

250118 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to petgor, 2, #942 of 1842 🔗

Kerrrrrrchingggggg!

250688 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to petgor, #943 of 1842 🔗

That’s exactly the ridiculous but scary point Mike Yeadon made in his conference with Dr. Fuellmich a few days ago.
Link here in case anyone missed it elsewhere on these threads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kANkpqtWLN4

250106 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 1, #944 of 1842 🔗

Because he’s like a petulant 8 year old stomping off to his room in a strop and doesn’t want anyone around. Merely convenient imo.

249669 stewart, replying to stewart, 27, #945 of 1842 🔗

Why isn’t the BMJ publishing the Danish mask study?

249682 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to stewart, 18, #946 of 1842 🔗

Because it will get in the way of the politics.

249690 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Achilles, 6, #947 of 1842 🔗

We’ve just been told that they are denouncing the politicisation of science…

250166 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to stewart, #948 of 1842 🔗

Have we tried asking them?

249674 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #949 of 1842 🔗

BBC news website

A question for the dimwits who read the BBC garbage

Why does Boris Johnson have to self-isolate?

Because he’s a feckin knob that’s why

(he looks like he’s been on the piss all weekend)

249699 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 5, #950 of 1842 🔗

That’s true. What an insult to the nation, appearing before the cameras looking a mess like that.

249712 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Banjones, 6, #951 of 1842 🔗

Yes, the lovable buffoon act has run its course.

249778 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Banjones, 2, #952 of 1842 🔗

Carrie’s been ruffling up his hair and planting big slobbery kisses all over his head: “I love you Pubblebuffs… you’re such a clever Bowis getting rid of that howwible Dominic thingey…We won’t even mention his nasty name will we You know I once saw him step on a spider…deliberately. You’d never do that would you Pubblebuffs? Of course you wouldn’t…”

249677 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #953 of 1842 🔗

Moderna, have the chiefs there got much stock left to sell? It’s all about the money..

  • Selling To Zero: Generally, corporate best practices suggest that a company’s leadership should hold on to at least some stock in their company to have “ skin in the game .” That way, the thinking goes, an executive has an incentive to improve the company’s performance. As Moderna has been developing its coronavirus vaccine, two executives, including the Chief Medical Officer, have sold all their stock holdings in the company. The General Counsel has sold nearly all of her holdings.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns?t=1605535476785

249786 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #954 of 1842 🔗

Obvious fraud.

249685 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 19, #955 of 1842 🔗

As someone has already mentioned below, the Doris Johnson thing is all theatre, actually it’s all pantomime, November right on cue..Jeez, how in the name of God did we get stuck with this idiot?..a man who would not look out of place sitting on a lilly pad… Thinking about it, I do know how we are stuck with this idiot, the ‘real powers that be’- singled him out from a line up of Village idiots.

249706 ▶▶ Julian, replying to yohodi, 2, #956 of 1842 🔗

The positive test may be true but the rest is theatre

250108 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #957 of 1842 🔗

Test done at 65 cycles?

249775 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to yohodi, 3, #958 of 1842 🔗

There is no genuine opposition or journalism with integrity surrounding Westminster. It’s us against them now.

249692 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #959 of 1842 🔗

The shirkers I worked with might ring up on a Monday morning and say they won’t be in as they have a cold

The pig dictators lame excuse is that he might have a cold

249720 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 4, #960 of 1842 🔗

A cold is a viral respiratory disease that can kill people, especially the old and vulnerable.

249762 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #961 of 1842 🔗

It an annual pandemic. Long Cold is a terribly debilitating syndrome,

249695 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 25, #962 of 1842 🔗

Unless I’ve missed it, why hasn’t the main update mentioned that the vaccine is new technology that’s never been used before? Alongside the lack of testing, this is the most important piece of information to use as an argument against the vaccine. Forget “misinformation”, we don’t need to get into theories, this vaccine is the “first of its type” and it’s not like a normal vaccine.

I’ve posted this before but I’ll post it again because I think it’s very important:

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249703 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John Galt, 7, #963 of 1842 🔗

Yes, thanks, very important

249704 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to John Galt, 9, #964 of 1842 🔗

I’m telling everyone who goes on about “this all being over when we have the vaccine” about this.

249714 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to kh1485, 12, #965 of 1842 🔗

I honestly think a percentage of people who assume they’ll get it could get swayed by this, because I’m near certain that everyone who thinks “oh, I’ll just get the vaccine” assume it’s going to be like a normal vaccine where you’re injected with a dead or weakened form of the virus to build immunity against it. Not only is it barely tested of it’s own accord, which is worrying enough, it’s a whole new type of vaccine! It’s absolute madness. They need to post about it in the main update, because even I had no idea until I read a post on another site that mentioned it.

249739 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to John Galt, 6, #966 of 1842 🔗

Exactly. But because people have been so brainwashed into taking drugs and not arming themselves with information regarding possible side-effects, they probably don’t see any problem with agreeing to having the vaccine.

249741 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to John Galt, 10, #967 of 1842 🔗

A whole new type of vaccine, planned to be used on the entire population of the world and for which the manufacturers have been granted complete indemnity in case of any adverse effects. What could go wrong?

249728 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to kh1485, 6, #968 of 1842 🔗

I saw you post this before and was grateful. I’m glad you posted it again, as I couldn’t find your previous, there were too many posts to go through.

I think you should keep posting this tbh, and spreading the word – at least until you go Galt 😉

Since your post I’ve noticed questions about the function of the vaccine being carefully evaded. Ha.

Thanks again.

(oops, hit reply on the wrong post – this was in reply to John Galt’s post. Apologies)

249793 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to G.Fawkes, 6, #969 of 1842 🔗

Yes, there are always loads of posts to get through! I’ve ended up keeping a coronavirus folder on my computer and it’s absolutely filled with images.

Haha, “who is John Galt?” When I was going into restaurants I was putting down John Galt as my name, I always wondered if anyone would get the reference.

And no problem at all.

249799 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John Galt, 4, #970 of 1842 🔗

You have to be older or a Libertarian to get the John Galt reference! I’m both.

249764 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, #971 of 1842 🔗

Use the mouse wheel to scroll up and down.

249768 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #972 of 1842 🔗

HMG=Sound Byte Central.

249724 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John Galt, 6, #973 of 1842 🔗

Dr Mike Yeadon took issue with Madge Hancock a couple of months ago:
https://mattbell.org/only-informed-consent-should-be-given-to-experimental-vaccine

249737 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Banjones, 3, #974 of 1842 🔗

Good link, thank you.

Several of the vaccine candidates use novel technology which have not been previously used to create vaccines.

There is therefore no long-term safety data which can be pointed to in support of the notion that it’s reasonable to expedite development and to waive absent safety information on this occasion.

249760 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John Galt, 4, #975 of 1842 🔗

Can they guarantee that it will produce the same result for every human being that gets vaccinated?

249817 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to John Galt, 6, #976 of 1842 🔗

Its not just the rNA in the Moderna jab, its the bioluminescence and the nanotech.
No way should this be rushed through.

250706 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John Galt, #977 of 1842 🔗

Can’t wait to see a mutation on that piece of code!

249696 Banjones, 3, #978 of 1842 🔗

I posted these links yesterday – can’t recall how I found them. It may have been here! Anyway, worth reading to get to grips what these people are about:

https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/sage-conflicts-of-interest/
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

249697 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 81, #979 of 1842 🔗

I hate what these bastards are making me do. On threat of prosecution and various hefty fines (thanks snitch), I am having to tell customers (some elderly) that they can only consume our drinks and food outside sat on a bench. They are doing this because they want some semblance of normality and routine. But I hate that I cannot let them sit inside in the warm. I bloody hate you, HMG, I bloody hate you.

249707 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 17, #980 of 1842 🔗

Revenge will be ours.

249710 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #981 of 1842 🔗

I hope so and I hope it will be soon and savage too.

249747 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Paul, 6, #982 of 1842 🔗

Yes.
I’m sure that us sceptics can think of worse punishments than the death penalty which I am against (don’t tempt me)
Come on, fellow sceptics, I’m sure we can think of some really appropriate ones, how about this one for starters: Cleaning Downing street with a toothbrush from one end to another (don’t worry, Bojo,Wankcock,Useless,5 homes Jenrick,Whitless,Vacuous, etc, we’ll supply the toothbrushs.
I’m sure that my fellow sceptics can think of plenty of others.

249761 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #983 of 1842 🔗

We could dangle the guilty in cages from the poles they usually hang the Union Jacks from along Pall Mall. If they starve, that will technically be neglect, rather than a death penalty.

249766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Nick Rose, #984 of 1842 🔗

Nice one!

249769 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #985 of 1842 🔗

I think they should be made to personally visit the families of every person who has died as a result of their disastrous lockdowns and stopping of all NHS services except for covid and be made to explain their reasoning and atone for what they have done.If there is anything left of them after that I’m sure we can think of something else.

249770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Paul, 2, #986 of 1842 🔗

We will.

250551 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Fingerache Philip., #987 of 1842 🔗

They have to forfeit all finances and any gains, during their duration in politics in any role, and live on Universal Income on a council estate for the rest of their lives.

249731 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #988 of 1842 🔗

The Cannon Fodder fight back.

249735 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #989 of 1842 🔗

Revenge of the Cannon Fodder.

249744 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 22, #990 of 1842 🔗

These snitches/collaborators would do well to look up what happened to their kind in Europe from 1944 onwards,they are drunk on the supposed power they feel the state has given them and feel protected by the regime but when it all crumbles their overlords will be too busy saving their own skins to care about them.
On local social media groups around here there are a few virtue signalling morons bragging about making complaints to the council and naming businesses they have got it in for,seemingly with no idea they are putting targets on themselves.I desperately hope that one day they get everything they deserve.

249882 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 12, #991 of 1842 🔗

Never forget. Never forgive.

There will come a time when this particular crisis of illiberalism is past, and we will be tempted to concentrate on other more urgent issues, and our anger will have faded with time.

That’s when we will need to remind ourselves of how we are feeling now, of the depths these scumbags in office and in authority and influence plunged us to, in their pathetic panic, using our own tax money to propagandise and manipulate people around us into sharing their fear, and blaming us for the suffering inflicted by the crimes they commit.

249904 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 9, #992 of 1842 🔗

Oh I won’t Mark. I’m not sure I believe in karma – seen too many horrible people get away with too much during my lifetime. But I hope to god, these people get some of what they’ve dished out.

249701 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 15, #993 of 1842 🔗

I posted this last night but its worth posting again. It’s very relevant.

George Hunt in 1992 made this film about how big banks planned the great reset. Well worth a watch. (36 mins).

Look out for the bit where David Lang a Montreal banker says ” I suggest therefore that this be sold not through a democratic process…that would take too long and require far too much of the funds to educate THE CANNON FODDER which unfortunately populate the Earth”.
This quote is at about 7:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8c-NKjOOA0

This is what is happening now, it has been in the planning for a long time.

249705 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Two-Six, 2, #994 of 1842 🔗

I’m going to watch that later, thanks.

249733 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, 2, #995 of 1842 🔗
250164 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #996 of 1842 🔗

Seriously scary…

249713 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 19, #997 of 1842 🔗

Pharma has 80 COVID vaccines in development, but Gates & Fauci pushed Moderna’s “Frankenstein jab” to the front of the line.
Moderna has never brought a product to market, proceeded through clinical trials, or had a vaccine approved by FDA. Despite Gates’ investments ,the company, was teetering on bankruptcy with $1.5 billion debt before COVID.
Fauci’s support won the company an astonishing $483 million in federal funds to accelerate development. Dr. Joseph Bolen, Moderna’s former R&D Chief, expressed shock at Fauci’s bet.” I don’t know what their thinking was”, he told CNN, “When I read that, I was pretty amazed”. Moderna and Fauci launched federally-funded human trials on March 3rd in Seattle. Dr Peter Hotez warns of potentially fatal consequences from skipping animal studies. “If there is immune enhancement in animals, that’s a show-stopper”. Dr Suhab Siddiqi, Moderna’s Ex-Director of Chemistry, told CNN, “I would not let the [vaccine] be injected in my body. I would demand: Where is the toxicity data?”

https://abyssum.org/2020/08/04/robert-kenedy-speaks/

249725 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to 2 pence, 1, #998 of 1842 🔗

Moderna and Fauci launched federally-funded human trials on March 3rd in Seattle.

250149 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1000 of 1842 🔗

Moderna was previously the company IG Farben, who made Zyklon B, used to kill people in concentration camps..

249718 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1001 of 1842 🔗

The Sanity Network. Not bad.

249727 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to richard riewer, #1002 of 1842 🔗

Are you a new kid on the block?

249719 Ben, replying to Ben, 3, #1003 of 1842 🔗

A decade of vaccines, courtesy of Bill and Melinda Gates

https://twitter.com/9thfloor/status/1328322121756512257?s=20

250070 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, #1004 of 1842 🔗

…guaranteeing the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine…
???

249738 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Sarigan, 8, #1006 of 1842 🔗

If so, then that’s my sanity shot down in flames.

The only thing that has been keeping me going has been learning Swedish on Duolingo with a view to getting the hell of out Dodge.

Time to reach for the pitchfork.

249740 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1007 of 1842 🔗

Let’s ask Carrie? On here, not Nut Nuts.

250243 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to CGL, #1008 of 1842 🔗

I have been getting confused the last few days which Carrie is meant in the comments, as I often just scroll through.

250547 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Silke David, #1009 of 1842 🔗

Yes – it could get a bit confusing.
Maybe ‘our’ Carrie should be Sweden Carrie, or Carrie from ? (as in Lisa from Toronto)

249774 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 8, #1010 of 1842 🔗

No. They always have these stories to smear Sweden.

249818 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Victoria, 10, #1011 of 1842 🔗

It seems the politicians are breaking. They are overriding Tegnell with these measures. It is not he who is setting those rules.

249833 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BJJ, 4, #1012 of 1842 🔗

Indeed, if Tegnell is being sidelined then even the flagship is heading for the rocks.

249819 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1013 of 1842 🔗

Even if they have advisory restrictions it would be a shock if they went for the coercion of fines and criminalising behaviours. For me it’s the lack of trust our government have shown in the population which is the worse aspect.

250066 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, #1014 of 1842 🔗

They didn’t lock down initially because it was against their constitution.
(It’s against ours but our government is clearly less principled!)

249830 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1015 of 1842 🔗

Catching up at last, drip by drip. Even the last holdouts of real normality are now falling.

249846 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1016 of 1842 🔗

Checked their government website, krisinformation.se and it seems to be true. However, it does not include private events, and I’m not sure how they are defined in law there.

Strange move.

249742 stewart, replying to stewart, 25, #1017 of 1842 🔗

I wonder if Bill Gates’ obsession with viruses is a mental disorder he developed because his WIndows operating system kept getting attacked by them.

This is only a half joke. I really wonder whether his mind – and the public’s – has been warped and is now confusing computer viruses and biological viruses and how you deal with each of them.

249749 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to stewart, #1018 of 1842 🔗

Maybe he needs to “level-up” and “reboot”

249753 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to captainbeefheart, 14, #1019 of 1842 🔗

Try turning him off and then… don’t bother turning him back on again.

249755 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Arkansas, 9, #1020 of 1842 🔗

Ctrl+Alt+Delete =. The Great Reset

249876 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to stewart, 2, #1021 of 1842 🔗

Punch him until he reaches the BSOD!

249750 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to stewart, 2, #1022 of 1842 🔗

Well he managed to design a system that was shockingly open to them.

249751 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to stewart, #1023 of 1842 🔗

A “conceptual phantom” that’s become a sort of template, overlaid upon wherever the “host/attack” type metaphor has become the format.

249782 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to stewart, 6, #1024 of 1842 🔗

Yes, and if someone told you that simply turning off your pc would rid it of a trojan computer virus they would call you mad. Yet, here we are with endless lockdowns.

249784 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1025 of 1842 🔗

*you would call them mad

249901 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1026 of 1842 🔗

I think PCs need turning off a bit more at present 🙂

249911 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to RickH, #1027 of 1842 🔗

I think you’re right 🙂

249802 ▶▶ calchas, replying to stewart, 4, #1028 of 1842 🔗

“Gates was small for his age and was bullied as a child.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates

250058 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, #1029 of 1842 🔗

and his dad was a nutjob

249816 ▶▶ wendy, replying to stewart, 5, #1030 of 1842 🔗

Well he could have used his money to improve food, water, sanitation to greater health effect but perhaps you have something as he went for the technical approach

250064 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to stewart, #1031 of 1842 🔗

As pointed out before Gates has Aspergers which explains some behaviours, as doe’s Thunberg.

250145 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to stewart, #1032 of 1842 🔗

He has Asperger’s…

249752 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 26, #1033 of 1842 🔗

If not already posted..Scathing BMJ piece on mass testing..

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4436?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage

Spending the equivalent of 77% of the NHS annual revenue budget on an unevaluated underdesigned national programme leading to a regressive, insufficiently supported intervention—in many cases for the wrong people—cannot be defended.

249811 ▶▶ wendy, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1034 of 1842 🔗

It’s certainly scathing! Who would go for these tests voluntarily – that would be people who can afford to isolate. I wouldn’t imagine many working people would go and my sense is that minority communities do not trust these tests. As for using these on school children, how can a parent not consent without putting their child at risk of being shunned.

Its a very bad idea and I think Toby suggested it is Dominic Cummings idea. Hopefully it will fizzle out as less people put themselves forward.

90,000 tests done in Liverpool with 336 positives found and Liverpool according to ONS has an infection rate of 2.5%.

249845 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1035 of 1842 🔗

This is a corker! Thanks, PP. I just wished it undermined the case for lockdown!

249860 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1036 of 1842 🔗

It does undermine the case for lockdowns, which is made largely on the basis of mass testing results

249878 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 2, #1037 of 1842 🔗

I’m not so sure, Julian. They are only having a pop at the rapid tests, not PCR, as far as I can see. Most worryingly they suggest that “nobody’s freedom or behaviour should be made contingent on having had a novel rapid test. It is premature to offer testing as the route to individuals’ release from restrictions. Instead we must heed the advice of the World Health Organization and the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE)”.

I read that as there is no way to offer anybody a route to release form restrictions at the moment. And heeding SAGE means lockdown, doesn’t it? I think this editorial may represent political bias (anti-Conservative Govt) rather than a serious attempt to advocate for our freedoms or a return to anything we would recognise as sanity.

250053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, #1038 of 1842 🔗

Well spotted!

250217 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Charlie Blue, #1039 of 1842 🔗

Good catch and yes, this might be seen as political bias. However, as pointed out already, it highlights the question of either a very accurate test, but no genuine “cases”, or it’s completely flawed.

249861 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1040 of 1842 🔗

Abso-bloody-lutely.

249941 ▶▶ Professor, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #1041 of 1842 🔗

The article, which is in a highly reputable journal, quotes a false positive rate of 0.6% for these rapid tests. As of 12 Nov, we are told that the Liverpool rapid testing regime had achieved 44,233 tests, with 249 being recorded as positive ( https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-the-liverpool-mass-testing-scheme-a-gimmick- ).

Given that this is 0.56% “positive”, so just the same as the false positive rate, what this means is that either there are essentially no genuine COVID-19 cases in Liverpool, or the test itself is fatally flawed. Shouldn’t we know which?

250050 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Professor, 1, #1042 of 1842 🔗

The revelation that both Pfizer and Modena have created seemingly effective and safe Covid vaccines that could be here by December is surely the first bit of good news 2020 has brought us…..

250638 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #1043 of 1842 🔗

That’s what you think. Dr Vernon Coleman just read a White Paper from Moderna that freely admitted that their vaccine will change your DNA.

250641 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1044 of 1842 🔗

On today’s Richie Allen Show around minute 65.

250652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1045 of 1842 🔗

DNA VACCINES
DNA vaccine work began thirty years ago, but as yet there are no licensed DNA vaccines and most remain in Phase 1 testing.
(Figure 5)
The key challenge associated with DNA vaccines is that they must penetrate the cell nucleus (crossing two membranes; the
cytoplasm and the nucleus). The DNA must then be transcribed in the nucleus into mRNA before moving to the cytoplasm to
stimulate antigen production. This core complex pathway often requires both larger doses and special, often painful delivery
devices using electric shocks or gold microspheres into person’s skin to deliver the DNA vaccine. Once inside the nucleus, DNA
vaccines have a risk of permanently changing a person’s DNA.

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/RNA_Vaccines_White_Paper_Moderna_050317_v8_4.pdf

Moderna Covid -19 Vaccine Could Add Nearly $35 Billion To … https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.forbes.com.ico https://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2020/11/16/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-could-add-nearly-35-billion-to-its-revenues/
TodayEstimating What the Covid -19 Vaccine Could Be Worth If Moderna can get approval for its vaccine and make enough doses, it could be worth $40 billion to its top line. The answer depends on what … $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

250228 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Professor, #1046 of 1842 🔗

I hope this question will be urgently put to either Johnson or Hancock.

249756 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 10, #1047 of 1842 🔗

Don’t think this has been posted . Our boys in blue covering themselves in glory https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lidl-shopper-asthma-fined-200-23018441

249765 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1048 of 1842 🔗

Considering they’re not allowed to ask, expect more of this from coppers not knowing what they’re attempting to enforce.

249779 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anothersceptic2, 10, #1049 of 1842 🔗

Actually police officers are allowed to ask. But if someone says they are exempt, they are exempt.

249783 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1050 of 1842 🔗

That’s what I meant, they’re not allowed to ask why. Anyone can ask, but no one is required to prove why.

249772 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to arfurmo, 13, #1051 of 1842 🔗

So this is the West Midlands Police, who previously had to issue an apology for not accepting that a shopper was exempt because he said he was exempt. When they made that apology, they claimed it was difficult for their officers to know the law and Guidance. In this instance they again claim it is difficult for their officers to know the law and Guidance. Whatever happened to the doctrine: Ignorance is no excuse?

249781 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1052 of 1842 🔗

This is another bugbear, is it a law or is it guidance? The latter suggests you don’t need to follow it…

249821 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1053 of 1842 🔗

There are laws and there are Guidance (what’s the plural for guidance?). The laws were statutory instruments, first for public transport and then for shops and other indoor public spaces. Each time Guidance was issued. The Police College has also issued guidance. But these all make it clear that there are exemptions and that the person who decides who is exempt is the individual, no one else, and they do not need proof. If a police officer is unable to understand these written materials, they are obviously unfit to be a police officer.

249897 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, #1054 of 1842 🔗

what’s the plural for guidance?”

‘guidance’ 🙂

249922 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, #1055 of 1842 🔗

Actually, it depends on the context and, in this context, I am pretty sure the correct form is guidances, but it sounds clunky.

249777 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to arfurmo, 12, #1056 of 1842 🔗

Good to see that the fine was rescinded.

It was nice that they offered a sincere apology too.. oh wait..

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249801 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to John Galt, 8, #1057 of 1842 🔗

Twats.

249787 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1058 of 1842 🔗

The problem is always the same – the cost of taking action. But I reckon this guy would be entitled to damages.

249803 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1059 of 1842 🔗

Have you seen the comments?

I can see why people are pleased they live under a dictatorship

249807 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1060 of 1842 🔗

Strange… my sceptical comment didn’t appear… funny that

249940 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #1061 of 1842 🔗

The comments are pathetic!

249771 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendyk, 1, #1063 of 1842 🔗

Great article

249934 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, 3, #1064 of 1842 🔗

He doesn’t need to isolate unless he’s had a positive test.
He hasn’t even had a test – or they would declare it!
A negative test result would allow him to go straight back into circulation. He’s just hiding – again!

249758 leggy, 16, #1065 of 1842 🔗

Top comment on the Mail’s headline article:

Here a jab, there a jab…everywhere a jab jab…

I’m sure someone creative could write the rest of the song – “old man Bill, he had a lab” etc.

249792 Awkward Git, 14, #1066 of 1842 🔗

Just got back from the local quacks dropping off the wife’s repeat prescription.

Signs everywhere – walls, doors, floors etc – all point to the “flu jab clinic”.

Not one person, anywhere, at all except the nurse on the door in full PPE and me.

Not quite sure who is getting the flu jab but not many round our way going by how deserted the clinic is.

249794 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 24, #1067 of 1842 🔗

Nineteen million missed dental appointments due to the lockdowns, it is reported.

DIY as in olden days with a large whisky and a robust pair of pliers will save the NHS another pile of money and release dentists for redeployment elsewhere in the Covid service.

249795 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Stuart, 17, #1068 of 1842 🔗

And is that on top of at least 26 million fewer GP appointments? How are they going to try and spin the massive excess deaths we’ll see over the next few years?

249822 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1069 of 1842 🔗

with Covid…

249867 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ovis, 3, #1070 of 1842 🔗

Which one? Covid 19, Covid 21 or Covid 23?

249812 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Stuart, 10, #1071 of 1842 🔗

I am having to pay £270 to have a wisdom tooth removed because the NHS won’t allow dentists to operate under them. I asked about going onto NHS treatment later and I was told that it will take ‘months, if not years’ to get through the backlog. NHS dentistry is done.

249800 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 1, #1072 of 1842 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-role-of-the-maitresse-en-titre/

Power behind the throne in historical context

250144 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendyk, 2, #1073 of 1842 🔗

If Ms Symonds thinks that all the people who voted for Brexit will happily agree to the UK being reabsorbed into the EU, she will have another think coming…

249805 Mark, replying to Mark, 111, #1074 of 1842 🔗

Laurence Fox

@LozzaFox

Just a quick one @MattHancock
. I’m sure I don’t need to say this, but If you do try and take away the last vestiges of my personal freedom by trying to stick a needle in my arm without my consent, bring at least four police officers with you, you are going to need them.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1328338289275908098

Looks like Laurence Fox’s party will be pretty solid on the coronapanic.

249810 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 36, #1075 of 1842 🔗

Wish I could uptick this more than once. Bloody brilliant.

Thank you Laurence Fox.

249814 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 21, #1076 of 1842 🔗

Those were my exact thoughts. When you are allowed to open up properly again I’m driving out to Saffron Walden to shake you by the hand.

249823 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 11, #1077 of 1842 🔗

That’s really kind Steph. And I look forward to meeting you.

250061 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 3, #1078 of 1842 🔗

It’s a long way from Lancashire to Saffron Walden and I’ve not been there for many a year, but you sound like a good reason to make the trip!

250717 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to kh1485, 1, #1079 of 1842 🔗

You can if you do it very quickly the first time.

249824 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mark, 9, #1080 of 1842 🔗

The difficult thing is that you are almost certainly going to need a vaccination for any International travel ( and that may include between England, Scotland, Wales & N Ireland) and it may also become a condition of carriage on main line trains. I think they will let it be voluntary it will just be that to take that option you will have to live like a hermit in a cave. I will hold on as long as possible but some of our family are going back to work in Africa for a few years and we will want to visit, if there are still flights? and so for us it will be vaccination or do not see your family, I expect in the end we’ll have to take the jab.

249827 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1081 of 1842 🔗

Currently illegal to try that though

249835 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #1082 of 1842 🔗

You need vaccination against certain ‘killers’ to fly in and out of some countries. Not inconceivable that it will be extended. And of course airlines can introduce their own criteria as private companies.

249832 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #1083 of 1842 🔗

Not sure about within the UK, or on trains, but yes, for international travel it’s very likely to be mandatory. I do – or did, before the Hysteria set in – a significant amount of international travel, so it’s a bit of a worry for me. The best I can hope for is that whatever vaccine comes to the fore will be well and truly tested by human lab rats before I have to have it.

249854 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1084 of 1842 🔗

It won’t happen

249880 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1085 of 1842 🔗

IDs are already being rolled out for international travel.

250115 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1086 of 1842 🔗

Take the jab, if you are tired of living or being remotely well, or just plain stupid.

For those who think that the coming vaccines are about protecting from coronavirus infection Hancock & Co are doing a special deal on those very famous Brooklyn bridges. Be quick though, as stocks are limited, until next delivery.

249862 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Mark, 30, #1087 of 1842 🔗

Any form of compulsory forced medical treatment – particularly involving a novel vaccine – must go against a whole slew of human rights laws – the thought of people being rounded up by police and forcibly injected is utterly repugnant to anybody with a shred of humanity

You can chose to take the vaccine under consent, and I might do if it is demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt to be fully safe – nobody should ever be made to have it

My grandmothers brother was a holocaust survivor being imprisoned in Dachau – he did not talk of the horrors that he experienced

Very frightened of what is happening in my adopted home

249836 DRW, replying to DRW, 6, #1088 of 1842 🔗

If Sweden does actually catch up with The Madness then we really are in trouble.

249849 ▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 1, #1089 of 1842 🔗

Or it means the whole thing is coming to a head.

249869 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, #1090 of 1842 🔗

How might it, out of interest?

249881 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 2, #1091 of 1842 🔗

In my opinion, this whole affair is very likely to do with a financial reset, which in effect will be a massive debt jubilee.

This will have to be global.

Sweden getting with the program, will show we are one step closer to that happening.

249896 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 3, #1092 of 1842 🔗

That might be the end of this but the start of something much worse.

249924 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to calchas, 2, #1093 of 1842 🔗

A debt jubilee for who? I can’t see Mr Unwashed being a beneficiary, unless of course part of the deal is to sell yourself into permanent UBI slavery and forfeit all your worldly goods..

249850 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 1, #1094 of 1842 🔗

There has never been a deviation from the trend on deaths. Cases should be disregarded.

249855 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1095 of 1842 🔗

We know that but their politicians are now caving into it.

249857 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, #1096 of 1842 🔗

In what way?

249863 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 3, #1097 of 1842 🔗

They’re planning a curfew and now a rule of 8, as posted lower down. Even if it’s just advisory it’s not good news that they’re jumping on international bandwagons.

249884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 2, #1098 of 1842 🔗

Well if that’s the case so be it. I think the anti Sweden rhetoric has been firmly consigned to the bin given we are almost in December.

249890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1099 of 1842 🔗

I’m expecting another blast of that with “ha ha Sweden got it wrong!”

249868 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1100 of 1842 🔗

Mainly the government diktat bandwagons, although the fact they’re doing it just as the “vaccines” are readied for deployment is probably not just a coincidence.

249852 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, #1101 of 1842 🔗

If it does, then we will still keep fighting. If it doesn’t then everyone other Government will continue to ignore them. Try not pay too much attention to rumours about what might be going on there.

249885 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1102 of 1842 🔗

It’s another defeat for our cause, MSM and zealots will be celebrating that “they got it wrong.”

249864 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DRW, 3, #1103 of 1842 🔗

It’s inevitable sadly. They must be under huuuuuge amounts of pressure.

249877 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, 2, #1104 of 1842 🔗

It has been speculated on here before that Sweden has been a control arm this whole time. Now it’s been decided it’s not needed anymore and can catch up with everywhere else.

249927 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 1, #1105 of 1842 🔗

Equally plausible is that their politicians are under the same pressure ours are under, domestically, from a fearful populace and evil media

249942 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 1, #1106 of 1842 🔗

Maybe that too but still bad news, the bandwagon is an exclusively one-way vehicle.

249844 calchas, 11, #1107 of 1842 🔗

Doctors take part in Leipzig demo on November 7th

German

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9w3P04_fPA

249856 Dan Clarke, 8, #1108 of 1842 🔗

Johnson, Hancock etc remind me of spivs, touting their wares

249870 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 55, #1109 of 1842 🔗

Laurence Fox is standing firm:

‘Just a quick one @MattHancock. I’m sure I don’t need to say this, but If you do try and take away the last vestiges of my personal freedom by trying to stick a needle in my arm without my consent, bring at least four police officers with you, you are going to need them.’

https://mobile.twitter.com/lozzafox/status/1328338289275908098

Well in, son. Nice one, Mr Fox. Hancock needs a dry slap. He’s a power-crazed, megalomaniacal tosser.

250093 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to common conservative, 4, #1110 of 1842 🔗

What a jeffing legend.

249886 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 37, #1111 of 1842 🔗

Newsletter from Ari Whitten on 12/11/20

I’m incredibly excited to announce the results of a new “vaccine” study.

Unlike Pfizer’s recent announcement, this one is actually solid, statistically significant data that has already been published in a medical journal and peer-reviewed.
Get ready for it… This is mind-blowing stuff. (And make sure to read all the way to the end — because there is an important surprise!).

First, here’s what the prestigious, top-tier medical journal, the British Medical Journal said about the results of this study: “Although this was a small trial, the intensive care unit (ICU) results are so dramatic that they are statistically highly significant.”

SO HERE’S THE STUDY…
Researchers randomly assigned 76 people with moderate to severe C19 into the vaccine group (50 patients) or no-vaccine (26 patients) group on the day they entered the hospital.
RESULTS…

  • NO ‘VACCINE’ GROUP: 13 out of 26 patients (50%) were admitted to intensive care unit (ICU), and two died in the end.
  • ‘VACCINE’ GROUP: Only 1 person out of 50 (just 2%!) required ICU admission, and NOT ONE PERSON died!

This means that the ‘vaccine’ led to a mind-blowing 93% reduction in odds of ICU admission !
Amazing, right?
This ‘vaccine’ could save untold hundreds of thousands or millions of lives! It’s a huge breakthrough!

Here’s the best part… It wasn’t actually a vaccine that was given in this study! … It was actually VITAMIN D!
(So in my description of the study above, just r eplace my words “vaccine” with “vitamin D” and you have the real study.) 🙂

Yes, really. This a real study — it was just published. Here’s the link to the study if you want to check it out .

Now, why did I present this information this way? Why did I portray it as a “vaccine” instead of telling you it was vitamin D?

To make this one important point: Can you imagine the publicity that this study would be getting right now if these SAME exact results were on a vaccine instead of vitamin D?
We would be seeing MASSIVE publicity all over the world. It would be hailed as an amazing breakthrough and the media would be talking about its potential to save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives.

But the same thing for vitamin D??? We have crickets in the media and from public health authorities.

Isn’t that an interesting phenomenon to think deeply about? Why aren’t the public health authorities and media talking about this? (Please think about the whys behind this phenomenon).

Please be aware… no matter what you hear in the media, you DO have options to minimize your risks. You do have power to do more than simply wait for a vaccine.

You do have the ability to take charge of your health, improve your metabolic health and dramatically reduce your risks. (We know that metabolic health is by far, the best predictor of risk, next to old age. And we now know that vitamin D status is one of the other critical players in predicting risk of severe C19).

249900 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, #1112 of 1842 🔗

2 of the control group died? Really?

249933 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Victoria, 4, #1113 of 1842 🔗

The legislation in the US that allows approvals for vaccines to be granted emergency use, has a clause that says that this approval will be given if there is NO OTHER alternative which will give comparable results.
Why do you think HCQ was squashed remorselessly?
No great publicity will be given to any remedy outside money making vaccines, and especially those using new tech.

249889 Nobody2020, 21, #1114 of 1842 🔗

The absurdity of it all:

249892 George L, replying to George L, 10, #1115 of 1842 🔗

I feel something so big is going on here beyond our view. A website I dismissed years ago as bunk has taken on new meaning to me with all that’s been happening over the last year, and now the threat of mandatory vaccinations being voiced. Also reinforced after reading somewhere this covid-19 project was a 5 year plan finishing in March 2025.

I think it was around 2016 I first became aware of the site and its global depopulation forecasts. Read the ‘disclaimer’ at the bottom of the page.

https://www.deagel.com/forecast

Predicted 2025 UK population 14 million, down 78% from 65 million.

I have two daughters and three little innocent grandchildren and feel desperately responsible for their safety but feel so impotent despite the fact I’ve never been a risk averse individual.

249898 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to George L, 1, #1116 of 1842 🔗

They must want to use our nukes on us then..

249917 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1117 of 1842 🔗

God knows! Such a beautiful world, heaven on earth, but always a tiny minority and their useful idiots want to trash it

249920 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to George L, #1118 of 1842 🔗

Looking at those projections – the USA is predicted a similar hit. Best move to Russia then by the looks of it.

249928 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to nickbowes, #1119 of 1842 🔗

Yeah.. I’ve just put Vlad on my Christmas Card list..

249953 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to George L, #1120 of 1842 🔗

I look at something like the potential disaster waiting to happen that is Sellafield which would also explain the population decline in Ireland.

249906 ▶▶ leggy, replying to George L, #1121 of 1842 🔗

Have they done away with the population forecasts? They were there a few months ago, but I can’t find them now.

249909 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to leggy, 1, #1122 of 1842 🔗

That link in my post should take you to the forecast page..

249943 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to George L, #1123 of 1842 🔗

Ah, hover text – thanks.

Until recently it was textualised.

249932 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George L, 1, #1124 of 1842 🔗

Honestly if this was the plan. They’ve got to have Covid-20 up their sleeve. Because I honestly can’t see how it can be sustained into a mass vaccination cull

249945 ▶▶ calchas, replying to George L, 3, #1125 of 1842 🔗

The forecaasts are predicated on financial collapse. resulting in health and age care systems in developed countries being obliterated. along with other cascade effects, such as civil strife, as various groups fight over dwindling resources.

When one notes the demographic structure of our societies, together with the the number of chronically ill, then one can begin to imagine that it might be possible.

249957 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to calchas, 2, #1126 of 1842 🔗

Wasn’t it Maurice Strong, he of the Club of Rome, founder of the IPCC and Climate Change scam that wanted to bring about the collapse of the richer industrialised nations..

249981 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to George L, 1, #1127 of 1842 🔗

“If we don’t change, our species will not survive… Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse.”

  • Maurice Strong, September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong

The Deagel forecast as I recall is based on the internal dynamics of economies and societies.

250097 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to George L, 3, #1128 of 1842 🔗

Yes, all that stuff turned out to be true. It’s a bit like Mein Kamf – he said he would do it, and then people were surprised when he did do it.

If you contact me I’ll put you in touch with people to talk to and a way to do something useful for your loved ones.

https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

Some of my friends have known about this for years, and yet they continue to campaign and do what they can. Now with covid many people are frightened and we have a last chance to put a stop to the whole lot. Reiner Fuellmich is on the case, he has a plan, and what he needs is support from the likes of you and me. SO contact me, I’ll find people for you to work with in a team, and take it from there.

249894 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 37, #1129 of 1842 🔗

Matt Hancock is on the telly at 5 pm, fortunately i won t be watching as i m breaking lock down rules again by visiting someone not from my household for a few cans and a curry !

249902 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1130 of 1842 🔗

but Nick, they know who you are….

249913 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1131 of 1842 🔗

Well, if you and this person consider yourselves to be in an “established relationship”, you won’t be breaking the rules, as Matt Hancock coyly explained to journalists when they asked him for the government’s justification for making having a sexual relationship with anyone outside your household illegal. He said, the rules did not apply to people in an established relationship and declined to defined the phrase, saying that the people involved would know.

249930 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1132 of 1842 🔗

Smashing. No reason to watch T.V at 5pm then.

249944 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1133 of 1842 🔗

What, another bloody Clown Show?

249905 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #1134 of 1842 🔗

Here’s something that I find puzzling. In all the government’s responses to the coronavirus, the one response that has been a positive is the immediate finding of accommodation for all the people living on the streets. Yet, government ministers never mention this success. Never. I would have thought they would have wanted to take the credit for the achievement, after all, they had spent the previous decade telling us that it was a seriously complex problem that the government could do little about as it was a result of the dysfunctional choices of the street dwellers themselves and that such people refused to accept the help available. And yet they solved this incredibly intractable problem overnight. Why aren’t they celebrating their success?

249915 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1135 of 1842 🔗

It’s probably not on their radar – they are looking at the bigger picture

249918 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #1136 of 1842 🔗

Because they kicked them all out again?

Let’s be honest, with the amount of money being thrown at this, we could have pretty much eradicated societal problems like poverty and homelessness. Probably several times over. It’s all part of the deception.

249929 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to leggy, 3, #1137 of 1842 🔗

So true.

249935 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 1, #1138 of 1842 🔗

So this covid thing must be pretty important.

249937 ▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1139 of 1842 🔗

The government took over many local hotels, some run by the Britannia Group. One of these in my area which is one of the most expensive areas in London.

249938 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Steve Hayes, #1140 of 1842 🔗

hmmm

249983 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1141 of 1842 🔗

They are now accommodating illegal migrants in hotels, I guess they don’t want to draw attention to this.

250525 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andy Riley, #1142 of 1842 🔗

They’ve been doing that for years and years and years.

249919 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #1143 of 1842 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Due to technical difficulties we are unable to update the dashboard before 6pm.”

windows updates?

249923 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to steve_w, 4, #1144 of 1842 🔗

Give hancock a chance to do his speech at 5pm?

249921 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 25, #1145 of 1842 🔗

More suggested prezzies for the kids this un-Christmas…

This time it’s Guess Who: 2020 edition

(Not as happy with this as Monopoly: Lockdown edition – you might need a sick bucket if you look at it too long)
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249946 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #1146 of 1842 🔗

That’s powerfu good stuff
One request…. really don’t want a special part of my anatomy associated with those psychopaths. It’s a giving me a very bad sensation worse than feeling sick

249951 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Rosie, 3, #1147 of 1842 🔗

Sorry, couldn’t resist…

I feel sorry for deaf people in our brave new world, I suppose everyone should just communicate with each other using WhatsCrap or something…

249931 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #1148 of 1842 🔗

If you look up the Constitution of the WHO, the first principle laid down is:

“Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.” (1946)

https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/constitution-of-the-world-health-organization

249936 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 3, #1149 of 1842 🔗

Not the only ones riding rough shod over constitutions are they.

249948 assoc, replying to assoc, #1150 of 1842 🔗

Re Moderna, from BBC news.

249950 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to assoc, 10, #1151 of 1842 🔗

95% of scientists agree with those that fund them.

250015 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to assoc, 5, #1152 of 1842 🔗

“It is likely that convincing evidence in respect to deaths will probably only be obtained when the vaccine is in use.” he didn’t actually say that, did he?

And this: “A wide range of people with illnesses and from minority groups were included in the trials”. What is all this garbage about? They are only ‘minority groups’ in specific locations. Black people are not a so-called minority group on a global basis.

250049 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1153 of 1842 🔗

blacks will always be an oppressed minority. Get with the 2020 PC agenda.

250041 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to assoc, #1154 of 1842 🔗

However did they manage to infect the control group??

250131 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to assoc, 3, #1155 of 1842 🔗

Moderna’s earlier ‘incarnation’ was as the company IG Farben, who made Zyklon B, used in the concentration camps…

250237 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to assoc, #1156 of 1842 🔗

Mmm… what “placebo” were the control group given?

249949 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 5, #1157 of 1842 🔗

Has wan-cock been nicked yet?

249958 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Eddy, 6, #1158 of 1842 🔗

Sir Matt. As he will be one day when we are all on universal credit.

249952 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 16, #1159 of 1842 🔗

This Covid stuff dominated most of my year due to my job. Initially I was scared, especially so for my kids. But even at the start I was worried about over reaction and had a sense that the odds were in my favour.

Then as I realised the full reality of it. I just became angry, and more and more angry as it got ever more political. You can’t even catch it and be allowed to get better in this world. It’s insanity.

But days like today when Gobshite Boris lies to the world I am left with little but contempt to supplement my anger and I feel like giving up. These people risk blasting us back to the Stone Age and far too many others seem to think their masks and compliance will somehow save them.

Specific to Boris today, if you honestly believe he did not know of a “risk”within 5 minutes of Anderson being ill on Friday then you must also honestly believe the world is flat.

It simply does not work that way, even allowing for Anderson finding out on Saturday / Sunday, Johnson’s private office would be all over this before any dope from NHS would have been in touch. That’s the reality of high office. There are no surprises. Funny how he was not in chequers this past weekend, no ?

Humanity always risked being over rated but I never expected to find myself on the desks of the Titanic @ 1:30 am and being played a jolly tune by the orchestra…..

Nothing seems likely to come along and stop this now, no judicial review, No media, no political opposition, nothing !

no life boats or big boats in the distance, it’s done. And the band played on.

249967 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Leemc23, 9, #1160 of 1842 🔗

That’s how they want you to feel. Don’t give them that pleasure.
And don’t give yourself a bad conscience, a year from now when it really will be bad if they win

250038 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1161 of 1842 🔗

Absolutely don’t give up now!
They are pushing so blatantly they think they’ve won but they have no reason for complacency.

250072 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1162 of 1842 🔗

Don’t give up now. We’ve come so far. We’re still waiting on a judgement in the Dolan case. The longer this takes, the more the judges are clearly asking questions and researching the Law.

Hang on in there…

250087 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1163 of 1842 🔗

Hang in there fella. Its a bloody awful rollercoaster of emotional shit for sure. We will win this. Don’t let the buggers grind you down, as my old Dad would have said.

249954 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1164 of 1842 🔗

New Zealand masking up https://covid19.govt.nz/health-and-wellbeing/protect-yourself-and-others/wear-a-face-covering/

St Jacinda has decided that the people have not been punished enough.

249974 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1165 of 1842 🔗

Mummmm just in time for summer. Nice and sweaty.
Bastards

249986 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1166 of 1842 🔗

WTF! They haven’t got any lab flu in NZ. This does not bode well.

249987 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1167 of 1842 🔗

And it sounds like they are still on with antisocial distancing.

249989 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1168 of 1842 🔗

I thought they had pretty much eradicated it due to shutting themselves off from the rest of the world so why the need for the muzzles??

249996 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 6, #1169 of 1842 🔗

Becasue Kiwis evidently aren’t scared enough and they’ll soon need to flog dodgy vaccines.

250241 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1170 of 1842 🔗

All that glee at having beaten the virus and being the envy of the world. And yet, they are still being humiliated by following junk science. So what was the point of the last 9 months

250521 ▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, #1171 of 1842 🔗

But they’ve got no Covid! It’s official!

249955 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 43, #1172 of 1842 🔗

Back from a successful day’s leafletting. Real shift in mood. Talk to those who are asking questions rather than brainwashed people. Now’s the time to get out there. Increase the number of activists. Late teens especially.

Want to hear the full report?

249960 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, 15, #1173 of 1842 🔗

Yes, Rosie, yes.

Stop teasing.

250007 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 7, #1174 of 1842 🔗

well I got back in just before the rain came down, a a concerned person warned me that the paths in the park are muddy and I might want to go the other way …..
seriously, does anyone here think a bit of mud would put me off?

No, thought not 😉

Very sweet person though,and I was wearing a lovely silk/embroidered skirt (amazing what you can buy second hand 🙂 )

249961 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Rosie, 10, #1175 of 1842 🔗

yes please! I have been putting sensible (sceptical) information on Facebook (my friends only) and have had no negative comments which tes in with what you are finding!

250008 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DocRC, 2, #1176 of 1842 🔗

Great to hear.Keep going!

250003 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Rosie, 1, #1177 of 1842 🔗

Please!

250009 ▶▶ helen, replying to Rosie, 2, #1178 of 1842 🔗

Great work Rosie

Response to Editorials Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science BMJ
..never thought it would be..
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425/rapid-responses

250012 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Rosie, 2, #1179 of 1842 🔗

yes please

250126 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rosie, 1, #1180 of 1842 🔗

Yes please! 🙂

250128 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Carrie, 1, #1181 of 1842 🔗

Ok I put the first part higher up, but I really had a lot of interesting encounters today so will have to post in several sections.

249956 john, replying to john, 11, #1182 of 1842 🔗

https://twitter.com/TheCoronaCure_/status/1328007641038204932?s=09

not sure on the full story here but it seems like a positive development in Denmark

249970 ▶▶ leggy, replying to john, 2, #1183 of 1842 🔗

Let’s hope so!

249990 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to john, 2, #1184 of 1842 🔗

Here’s some background on the proposed Danish epidemic law .

And a short video showing the protests.

I haven’t yet found any links about the proposal being rejected.

249963 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 25, #1185 of 1842 🔗

These bastards just won’t give up. From the Telegraph live feed:

‘We still have a long road to travel’ despite vaccine hopes, warns WHO

Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director general of the World Health Organisation, said that a “vaccine on its own will not end the pandemic”.

He told the global health body’s executive board meeting: “Since the beginning of the pandemic, we knew that a vaccine would be essential for bringing the pandemic under control.

“But it’s important to emphasise that a vaccine will complement the other tools we have, not replace them. A vaccine on its own will not end the pandemic.

“Initially, supply will be limited, so health workers, older people and other at-risk populations will be prioritised.”

He added: “We still have a long road to travel.”

So if a vaccine won’t end the ‘pandemic’ what the bloody hell will? “Other tools”, what, like those that work in the WHO?

249971 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1186 of 1842 🔗

complement the other tools we have,

health id then?

249972 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, 16, #1187 of 1842 🔗

Treatment won’t end the pandemic.
Vaccine won’t end the pandemic.
Non pharmaceutical interventions won’t end the pandemic.
No amount of personal sacrifice will end the pandemic.
Nature itself won’t end the pandemic.

So what will ? Bugs Bunny and the Looney Tunes gang.

250077 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1188 of 1842 🔗

So what will ? Bugs Bunny and the Looney Tunes gang.

Sadly, I think a lot of people would go along with that strategy as long as it ‘saves one life’!

249985 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1189 of 1842 🔗

The World Health Organisation is the virus. They’re a fascistic organisation terrorising the world. How did they get such power?

Things are bad in Canada. Here’s Justin Trudeau

https://twitter.com/roccogalatilaw/status/1328189823866331136?s=20

249998 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Ben, 4, #1190 of 1842 🔗

The World HORROR Organisation .

250079 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Ben, 3, #1191 of 1842 🔗

As James Delingpole says – ‘its not a conspiracy if there telling us what they’re going to do’

250150 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 4, #1192 of 1842 🔗

Rocco Galati is the constitutional lawyer who is suing the various levels of government for the Covid response. I’m a member of the organization that hired him and I have donated to his Constitutional Rights Centre. He’s one of the few hopes I have for this country. He has always known this was about the Great Reset, which is no secret since it’s all out there for anyone to see and our PM and his acolytes have been spewing the Build Back Better nonsense since the beginning of this insanity.

250000 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1193 of 1842 🔗

Talking today to a station/platform type of person ref masks.
He first said optimistically that it’ll be over by March/April and we’ll be rid of the things …. as he spoke and I said nothing his voice tailed off and he seemed to realise as he spoke that wouldn’t be the case.

250029 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1194 of 1842 🔗

I’ve just been reading about Tedros in Pam Popper’s book. Proper shady character. Seems to have been involved in many scandals in Ethiopia including membership of a terrorist group and no small amount of ethnic cleansing. He nominated Robert Mugabe as a WHO Ambassador. Also has no medical qualifications.

250124 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1195 of 1842 🔗

Clear eugenics if you are aiming to get rid of anyone who is physically ‘weak’ and not able to work..

249965 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 14, #1196 of 1842 🔗

on Steve Bannon’s War Room on You tube Raheem Kassam has just explained how Carrie Symons (who he knows) if full on left wing globalist into the Great Reset and has been aiming to get rid of Cummins for over six months to stop Brexit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hT1Ext46qA

249995 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #1197 of 1842 🔗

oh, so it is bad news then, Cummings going. I was coming to that conclusion 🙁

250023 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Rosie, 1, #1198 of 1842 🔗

No he was scared of getting CCP Virus. So no use at all, tough guy turned coward.

250075 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1199 of 1842 🔗

Who’d have thought that she was a Globalist apparatchik!? 😉

250119 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1200 of 1842 🔗

War room is a good source of info – definitely recommended. Pity the 2nd broadcast each day is late in the evening for us, but one can always watch it the following morning 🙂

249966 chris notifier, replying to chris notifier, 19, #1201 of 1842 🔗

Why would I get vaccinated if even when Johnson has anti-bodies enough from a verified severe infection he is supposed to go through a 14 day self isolation… CANT THESE FUCKWITTS SEE THE INCONSISTENCY? Heaven help us.

250030 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to chris notifier, 8, #1202 of 1842 🔗

I’m sure they can see it, but they tell themselves that we can’t.

249973 John Stone, 12, #1203 of 1842 🔗

Just posted BMJ on-line:-

Informed Consent and the Government’s Legal Position Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? Daniel Sokol. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m3933
Dear Editor
As I understand it the British government’s legal position over vaccination presently hinges on informed consent [1]. The citizen or patient makes a decision on what should be a full disclosure of the benefits and risks [2], and while the patient may theoretically be able to sue if something goes wrong the risk in the first place lies with the patient rather than state or the manufacturer.
But surely the government will put itself in an invidious positon and undermine its own legal defence if it seeks to limit public discussion about products and promotes a public hue and cry over citizens accepting them [3,4,5].
I am not for a second suggesting that anyone ought to be able to promote false information about products only that they must be allowed to discuss them publicly in a normal, civilised way like anything else [6]. Otherwise the legal condition for informed consent will not exist, and the government may nullify its position, particularly if relevant information was prevented from coming to public light by its actions.
[1] John Stone, ‘Re: We can change practice—can we also change culture?’, 13 August 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l108/rr-9
[2] Daniel Sokol, ‘New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue?’,
BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m3933 (Published 12 October 2020)
[3] ‘ Social media giants agree package of measures with UK Government to tackle vaccine disinformation’ GOV.UK , 8 November 2020, https://www.gov.uk/government/news/social-media-giants-agree-package-of-
[4] Danyel Hussain, ‘GCHQ spies launch cyber counter-attack against anti-vaccine propaganda being spread by Russia’ , Daily Mail 9 November 2020, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927865/GCHQ-spies-launch-cyber
[5] Jon (sic) Stone, ‘Coronavirus vaccine: Labour calls for emergency censorship laws for anti-vax content’, Independent 15 November 2020, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-covid
[6] John Stone, ‘Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? (Coercive atmosphere over vaccination)’, 13 November 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-12

16 November 2020
John Stone
UK Editor
AgeofAutism.com
London N22

249975 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 67, #1204 of 1842 🔗

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249978 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 42, #1205 of 1842 🔗

My recent submission for the Turner Prize.

249980 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Laura Suckling, 7, #1206 of 1842 🔗

I was gonna say that!

249991 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Laura Suckling, 21, #1207 of 1842 🔗

I’m just trying to tease out all of the hidden subterranean meanings and the structure of the subtextual semiotics Laura.

mmm – what message does it have for the post-modern world

250013 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to calchas, 20, #1208 of 1842 🔗

Well, in a post-modern context; I would surmise that (from a feminist and gender neutral perspective) the structural nature of the ‘perception of world inclusive and diversity context’ is apparent. However, on reflection, regarding the colour and shape of the exhibit and having consulted my esteemed colleagues, it’s a load of shit.

250042 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to calchas, 10, #1209 of 1842 🔗

That planks wear masks.

250063 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Laura Suckling, 6, #1210 of 1842 🔗

Its a winner!

249979 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #1211 of 1842 🔗

YAY!

250482 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1212 of 1842 🔗

They are as useful now as they were before being on the floor… Great message!

249976 Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1213 of 1842 🔗

Handsy laying on Long Covid just a bit too thick.

249982 Awkward Git, 7, #1214 of 1842 🔗

Looks act the bumbling buffoon links to:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BuildBackBetter?src=hashtag_click

Same as everyone else.

Still not an agenda?

249984 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1215 of 1842 🔗

Free press!

249988 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1216 of 1842 🔗

Good Grief…Move along…Nothing to see here….

249993 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1217 of 1842 🔗

The MSM seems very happy about a Biden win. Why do I feel afraid?

I’m hoping for an asteroid..

250005 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Ben, 2, #1218 of 1842 🔗

When the sun swallows the earth in 4 billion years it will not be humans looking up at the dying and expanding sun.

250020 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to chaos, 8, #1219 of 1842 🔗

The Planet of the Cows.

My offspring will rule it all. Unless Ferguson burns us all again.

250024 ▶▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1220 of 1842 🔗

That would be fine , I feel they would be wise and just rulers 😆

250017 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Ben, 10, #1221 of 1842 🔗

He hasn’t won yet. Dominion, what the MSM says means jack.

250477 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, #1222 of 1842 🔗

Welcome to My Club !

250185 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1223 of 1842 🔗

carl vernon video shows how US MSM all give the same message

250471 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, #1224 of 1842 🔗

Not surprising at all considering the REALITY…

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249992 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1225 of 1842 🔗

So what are the chances of a ‘journalist’ asking MH about Liverpool?

250002 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1226 of 1842 🔗

zero

250037 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1227 of 1842 🔗

Zero.
What are the chances of MH being able to explain the Liverpool results?
Less than zero!

250048 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1228 of 1842 🔗

Wandered into living room where my OH had been sent to sleep by the briefing. God, the questions were dire. None questioning facts or narrative, an awful lot NHS based whinging.

250225 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Yawnyaman, 2, #1229 of 1842 🔗

It’s so bare. They have to self censor, those journalists allowed near Hancock. They must go home and cry into their microwave dinners after another day of emptiness

250001 DRW, replying to DRW, 15, #1231 of 1842 🔗

Just saying if we do actually lose this then I will be gone, no question. If the braindead are fine with global dystopian hell then they can fucking enjoy it themselves. Death will be the only escape, they might finally understand that one day.

250035 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to DRW, 13, #1232 of 1842 🔗

We have to win then because the alternative is unthinkable

250044 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 5, #1233 of 1842 🔗

I’m hoping for an asteroid or assisted suicide in another country. Dystopia – no thanks

250080 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 9, #1234 of 1842 🔗

I’m still holding out hope that we might be rescued by benevolent aliens 🙂

250133 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DRW, 5, #1235 of 1842 🔗

Me and Mrs Awkward feeling the same so you are not alone with these thoughts.

We’re discussing if it comes to that point it will be liquidise assets, go on one mad splurge and blowout and then put 2 finger sup to them all.

250004 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #1236 of 1842 🔗

II just received an unsolicited email from Prof Martin McKee at Marchforchange.
I’ve reported this as spam. If anyone else gets one can I suggest you do the same.

250021 ▶▶ D B, replying to NickR, 1, #1237 of 1842 🔗

Yes I got the same – I’ve had a few now, no idea how they got my details

250006 microdave, replying to microdave, 22, #1238 of 1842 🔗

It seems we will be having a “Normal” Christmas after all. Among the pile of junk mail on my door mat was a glossy leaflet from a local garden centre. There was not One. Single. Mention. of Covid, Lockdown restrictions, Muzzle wearing or Anti-social Distancing anywhere to be seen! Considering what a largish mail-shot must cost, that seems pretty brave of them…

250110 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to microdave, 6, #1239 of 1842 🔗

A “normal” Christmas after all – that’s nice of them, but we’re still being played. I think the government has realised that it cannot enforce Christmas restrictions if enough people decide to break them. So to avoid loss of face, they will step back over Christmas and tighten up again afterwards.

Remember a couple of weeks ago, the police in Bristol could not control a party in the woods involving something like five hundred young people. They had to appeal to two other forces to assist. A ‘lockdown’ Christmas could lead to an astonishing and highly visible loss of control – which could become permanent.

250327 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to microdave, 1, #1240 of 1842 🔗

Normal Christmas in the U.K. involves very little advertising of the word “Christmas” That’s sickening on its own.

250018 westkentim, replying to westkentim, 14, #1241 of 1842 🔗

Am I missing something, or do many of the symptoms of “long Covid” sound very similar to myalgic encephalomyelitis (M.E.)? Horrid, but not new, and commonly thought to occur after a viral infection.

250074 ▶▶ Ben, replying to westkentim, 6, #1242 of 1842 🔗

Or stress and fatigue caused by lockdown and Piers Morgan?

250229 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to westkentim, 1, #1243 of 1842 🔗

post viral infection. Easily solved by fixing nutrient deficiencies

250245 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to westkentim, 3, #1244 of 1842 🔗

It’s clearly nothing new. I had a proper rough time for ages after a nasty dose of glandular fever in my early 20s. But everyone wants to get in on the action now, so “long covid” it is.

250311 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Adamb, 2, #1245 of 1842 🔗

Me too. I ended up in hospital, took weeks to fully recover. No one really cared, it was just one of those things. Certainly no one shut down my university or set up a dedicated rehabilitation centre for me…

250305 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to westkentim, 2, #1246 of 1842 🔗

I suspect a lot of it is hysteria, psychosomatic and caused by “the fear”

250022 Jo, replying to Jo, 30, #1247 of 1842 🔗

Sorry if already posted, but this is potentially good news
https://thedailycoin.org/2020/05/31/german-official-leaks-report-denouncing-corona-as-a-global-false-alarm/

It seems that the German Govt are unable to rebut the report of a panel which advised back in May that the consequences of lockdown were worse than the disease, and that Corona was a false alarm. Sound familiar?
And this week Reiner Fuellmich is serving writs against Droster at al?
Oh please, it would be good to see some really good news

250040 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jo, 12, #1248 of 1842 🔗

The Covid Cabal, or the global entity that’s pushing the Great Reset in every country won’t be happy, and I’m guessing they are more powerful. Fuellmich is brave, and perhaps naive. I don’t think the courts can save us when politicians are prostituting themselves for the Covid Cabal

250084 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ben, 14, #1249 of 1842 🔗

Look, heads up guys – if Fuellmich does not get something happening then nobody but nobody will be able to. He is under no illusion, but he’s one of the few, and we should be joining him. One of his friends got confined to a mental hospital for speaking out – that’s not naive, that’s doing all he can with the tools at his disposal. He’s trying to get people to join him, and is calling for public support!

250025 Jo, replying to Jo, 8, #1250 of 1842 🔗

On the other hand, this is bad. Watch it all you reset people – Trudeau is saying it as it is, nothing oblique here.
https://twitter.com/derf_anon/status/1327967377447936001

250071 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jo, 7, #1251 of 1842 🔗

I’m too scared to watch that. Canadian politicians are calling for concentration camps FFS!.. What happened to Canada?

250078 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ben, 2, #1252 of 1842 🔗

Convert the fear to anger, to cold fury, and get to work

250122 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 11, #1253 of 1842 🔗

They don’t call them concentration camps, they’re “voluntary quarantine facilities.” Trudeau is the biggest China-loving globalist around and I fear for my country, but most of all my children. Canadians have always been sheeple as we’ve had to differentiate ourselves from our US neighbours by being “kinder” and more communitarian. Canadians are begging for a Melbourne-style lockdown now. I even read a comment the other day from someone who lives in a house but thought it would be a great idea to “allow” apartment and condominium dwellers to only leave their units every other day — odd floors one day, even the next — and prevent the elevators from stopping on the floors that weren’t allowed out that day. That would work really well during a fire or health emergency. With assholes like that I couldn’t be happier we sold our Toronto condo and, as of tomorrow, are living permanently in the country.

250026 JHuntz, 11, #1254 of 1842 🔗

Just researching this mrna vaccine and another convenient ‘benefit’ raised its head. It appears that if ‘successful’ these vaccines would be easier to produce, manufacture at scale and lower cost (as they do not need the virus present). In a benevolent world this may seem worth pursuing. However, the cynic tells me this means we would be getting vaccinated regularly at a high margin of profits for Big Pharma.

250027 chris, replying to chris, 17, #1255 of 1842 🔗

Based on available information, By March 2021 I am guessing that this Gov will have borrowed/spent £2B (£2,000,000,000) on this so called pandemic. Furloughs, track and trace, Nightingales, loss of tax base, vaccines, knock on economic losses. This is money which will never be, directly, paid. It will be recouped from future generations by loss of life quality and soon from pension funds, savers and inflation.

My question is what happens next time China decides to develop and release a virus. This could be an annual event. We simply wont be able to waste all this ‘money’ again.

250033 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chris, 18, #1256 of 1842 🔗

Also the human cost. The young are being asked to sacrifice their whole lives to protect a group of people who’ve already lived their whole lives free

250034 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to chris, 7, #1257 of 1842 🔗

Two billion? Should that be two-hundred billion?

250045 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Tenchy, #1258 of 1842 🔗

Yeah, 2 billion seems very low. Furlough alone sits at around 40 billion:

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250092 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John Galt, 1, #1259 of 1842 🔗

What kind of jobs do people on furlough do? It seems like a lot of people are back at work now. Is the bulk of them made up with people directly in the entertainments and hospitality sector?

It would be interesting to see a more detailed break by job type of who is still off sick.

250240 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1260 of 1842 🔗

I am in aviation and furloughed. Most airlines seem to be rotating staff on and off of the scheme.

250055 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1261 of 1842 🔗

I think if you include likely future losses as the original poster mentions then it’s going be trillions, not billions.

250081 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to chris, 7, #1262 of 1842 🔗

I work for a major financial ratings agency, the CEO mentioned in a town hall meeting to the staff last week that governments around the world have so far spend 8% of last year’s global GDP on “fighting” Covid. According to my maths[1], that is about $7 trillion.

To put it in context, total government revenues of OECD countries in 2018 was about $14 trillion [2].

It is being paid for by central banks across the West just “printing” money, because politicians have convinced themselves that Modern Monetary Theory[3] is real and works.

[1] 2019 GDP was $87.8 trillion, so 8% of that.
https://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP.pdf
[2] https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=RS_GBL
[3] https://www.investopedia.com/modern-monetary-theory-mmt-4588060

250209 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to zacaway, 1, #1263 of 1842 🔗

They don’t add credit guarantees and as of yet uncalled upon but agreed commitments to those figures.
For Germany that amounts to well over 1000 billions already.
Note also, that GDPs would have contracted far more if the governments hadn’t stepped in.
A country with minus 7% GDP this year really saw the private sector being down 25% that year.
Swedens – 4% is much more healthy with government debt up 10% than another countries minus 4% with government debt up 25% and further likely to be written down loan guarantees of 25%….

250028 chaos, replying to chaos, 3, #1264 of 1842 🔗
250060 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to chaos, #1265 of 1842 🔗

Still a brilliant listen.

250031 microdave, replying to microdave, 5, #1266 of 1842 🔗

We already know that Google, Farcebook & Twatter are doing their level best to shut down debate. Now it seems WordPress are doing the same:

The Treehouse is Deplatformed…

250039 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to microdave, 2, #1267 of 1842 🔗

WordPress have been doing this for years.

250125 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to microdave, 1, #1268 of 1842 🔗

Put comments on there and invite them here while their site gets itself organised. The readers there are a knowledgeable bunch!

250032 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 71, #1269 of 1842 🔗

So I’ve a lot to report from my day of leafletting – part 1

I went to Wimbledon which has a small-town feel to it, and found plenty of positive responses. The leaflet is invaluable, and Mabel Cow’s front page is now exactly right for the mood. I usually handed the leaflet over with the picture folded inside, which was less confrontational and worked well. Here’s my leaflet, to remind you
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

Mabel did the front, I did the text, and a friend got the PDF and printing done #TeamWork.

There’s quite a steep hill in Wimbledon and this was the best place to go, because people can see you as you stand there, and you aren’t suddenly confronting people. I did wonder if the steep slope gives people’s brains the opportunity to see things from a different perspective, I think that’s possible.

Several people took it eagerly and thanked me. Next time I need to carry with me a slip of paper with the links for the campaign groups, the ones doing marches.

It’s still a small minority, but my aim soon became clear, to convert people who are worried into people who are activists, whether in their own circle, or coming here, or what have you.

At the other extreme met a doctor who says “I’m a doctor” and absolutely we must have lockdown. I said the PCR tests aren’t accurate, no she said they are completely accurate. I asked her if she knows better than Prof Yeadon and she threatened to call the police – said I was harassing her. Anyone know at what point talking to someone becomes formal harassment? She did’t ask me to go away, just asked if I wanted the police, and started texting someone as well which was a bit freaky. Hope I never come across anyone like her as a doctor – there was nil human connection, nothing but heartless cold eyes.

I think a leaflet specifically on the subject of PCR tests would be good. Anyone seen one?

More later, I’m tired!

250054 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Rosie, 17, #1270 of 1842 🔗

Brilliant work. You’re a total star Rosie.

250057 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Rosie, 13, #1271 of 1842 🔗

Wow, the evil doctor sounds evil….

250509 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1272 of 1842 🔗

She said she was a doctor.What’s the proof she was one?

250076 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Rosie, 7, #1273 of 1842 🔗

If you are to meet the doctor you might just say one word “Metrology” – not meterology.

It sounds cryptic, but metrology is the study of measurement. And most people have no clue about it yet will happily accept that something is “accurate” without understanding how it came to be “accurate”

250082 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Rosie, 11, #1274 of 1842 🔗

Probably not a doctor at all. I’ve never met a doctor who volunteers their profession, and I’ve met quite a lot having doctors and nurse in the family.
Witch doctor, more likely!

Well done, Rosie.

250123 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Rosie, 6, #1275 of 1842 🔗

Great effort!

250159 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to leggy, 7, #1276 of 1842 🔗

More later, I really am tired!

But now’s the time – go and speak to people – do – if you want this to stop, right now is the critical moment. Don’t be shy, don’t delay, and don’t wait any longer.

Don’t waste you time on Lockdown Believers, but devote it to people who are worried – ask them what they think, don’t scare them further unless they are already aware of the plans, there’s a lot of opposition to vaccination so encourage that, and get them into activism as well.

250182 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Rosie, 8, #1277 of 1842 🔗

When people threaten you with the police you know they feel threatened by what you say and know they have no real defence.
One of the things this situation has confirmed to me is how little actual knowledge GPs seem to have. I can only think they are so mind-numbingly bored with diagnosing the same thing day after day that their critical faculties become blunted.

250202 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Rosie, 7, #1278 of 1842 🔗

Well done, Rosie. Marvellous stuff. That doctor sounds like a Lockdown Fundamentalist. Fundies cannot debate rationally. They lose their rag very quickly and become more and more swivel-eyed when you hit them with little nuggets of information. I don’t care if you’re a doctor. Doctors can be irrational. My dustman probably knows more than that doctor.

250381 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Rosie, #1279 of 1842 🔗

Hi Rosie People i know find it easier to put them through doors as you have a map and just cross of each street as you do it .Best also to do in the morning start about 9 as doing it in the evening is disturbing people as they are eating and people don’t want noise at the door if dark .Get a map of the area and photocopy in to sections ,get your people into groups of two and give a section each .As they cover their section they mark off each street as done and when finished bring the sheet back to you ,then you mark what they did onto master copy map .All organised and no one goes over old ground .When finished move to next map and repeat .

250385 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rosie, 4, #1280 of 1842 🔗

Love your doctor moment, she was probably thinking that you might just spoil her Covid vaccination pay off. May she rot in hell.

250402 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Rosie, #1281 of 1842 🔗

Just epic !

250036 Pendolino, replying to Pendolino, 25, #1282 of 1842 🔗

Susan Hopkins, public health England epidemiologist has said the new antigen test has a false positive rate of less than 5 in a thousand. She then said that 100,000 people had been tested in Liverpool and that 700 positives had resulted. So by my arithmetic that means around 500 of these were false positives…?!

250043 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Pendolino, 4, #1283 of 1842 🔗

Indeed. And nobody in the MSM will notice or understand this.

250056 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Pendolino, 2, #1284 of 1842 🔗

It’s almost like she had her GCSE maths exam cancelled.

250059 ▶▶ steph, replying to Pendolino, 3, #1285 of 1842 🔗

Yes. People often misunderstand that it is a percentage of the positives but it is a percentage of the overall number tested. With such a low rate of infection most of it is “noise”. I told this very clearly to my MP about the PCR false positives weeks ago. Silence was the reply.

250069 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to steph, 1, #1286 of 1842 🔗

Likewise, I explained all of to our MP with references to back up my claims and silence as well.

250112 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1287 of 1842 🔗

Similar experience from me. Sent three emails since August about PCR. Ignored despite dynamite stuff from journals and FOIs awkward git on here obtained. Tumbleweed. Then I see this today on his FB page. Banging on about a flu vaccine shortage he warned about last year

250175 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to steph, #1288 of 1842 🔗

It’s a percentage of the negatives. Which is basically the same as a percentage of the total tested when prevalence is as low as it is now.

If 99% of people had Covid and your test had a 1% FPR you’d need to test about 10000 people to find even one false positive.

250086 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Pendolino, 3, #1289 of 1842 🔗

Ah, but they tested asymptomatics so the FP rate actually increases. Less prevalence, more FPs.

For example, a test with 98 percent specificity would have a PPV of just over 80 percent in a population with 10 percent prevalence, meaning 20 out of 100 positive results would be false positive results. “Healthcare providers should take the local prevalence into consideration when interpreting diagnostic test results.

250334 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Sarigan, #1290 of 1842 🔗

Oops, commented before seeing your post.

250169 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Pendolino, #1291 of 1842 🔗

Someone suggested in a Telegraph comment that the 700 positives might be a final total following elimination of the false positives, so 1200 original “positives”. If so, they must have re-tested all positives. Any thoughts?

250304 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Pendolino, #1292 of 1842 🔗

700? I thought it was more like 400-odd?

250324 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Pendolino, 2, #1293 of 1842 🔗

These maths work if you assume really high sensitivity (example 4).

Example 1:
100,000 are tested. None currently have it. Specificity (false positive rate of test) set at 0.995 (5 in a thousand).
= 0 true positives, 500 false positives

Example 2:
100,000 tested. 1% have it (1000 of this group). Sensitivity could be estimated at 0.8 (200 in a thousand false negatives). Specificity is 0.995 (5 in a thousand).
= 800 true positives, 200 false negatives, 495 false positives

Example 3:
100,000 tested. 0.2% have it (200 of this group). Sensitivity also 0.8. Specificity also 0.995.
= 160 true positives, 40 false negatives, 499 false positives

Example 4:
100,000 tested. 0.2% have it (200 of this group). Sensitivity 0.99. Specificity 0.995.
= 198 true positives, 2 false negatives, 499 false positives

250047 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 3, #1294 of 1842 🔗

On Channel 4 at 9pm tonight there is a programme called Lockdown Chaos

What expectations should we have for it raising the issues that need to be addressed?

250051 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to SilentP, 6, #1295 of 1842 🔗

The only chaos is that caused by the government!

250052 ▶▶ dommo, replying to SilentP, 9, #1296 of 1842 🔗

0% – i can only imagine it will be saying that the lockdown should have been earlier/stricter/longer…

250065 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to dommo, #1297 of 1842 🔗
250096 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dommo, 3, #1298 of 1842 🔗

With a sprinkle of “New Zealand did this” and “Trump is baaaaad”

250062 ▶▶ Ben, replying to SilentP, 12, #1299 of 1842 🔗

It’s not chaos. It’s deliberate. To make us suffer so that we accept the Great Reset (vaccines, immunity passports etc)

250085 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 4, #1300 of 1842 🔗

It’s deliberate chaos. They love it, order from chaos.

250111 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to SilentP, 4, #1301 of 1842 🔗

And no doubt everything will be ‘because of Covid’ and most certainly not ‘because of lockdown’.

250134 ▶▶ CGL, replying to SilentP, 3, #1302 of 1842 🔗

I said to Mr CGL yesterday when we saw the trailer that we mustn’t get our hopes up- it will be the disaster of not locking down sooner and the disastrous t&t system and the testing. This is channel 4 after all – we can’t possibly expect more.

250068 ianric, replying to ianric, 31, #1303 of 1842 🔗

When lockdown was introduced, did you find many of the businesses closures were irrational. I can understand night clubs, theatres and cinemas have largers numbers in close proximity to each other. I can never understand why so called non essential shops were forced to close. Clothes, electrical and book shops are often very big and it is easy for cusomters to stay apart even with a large number of customers in the store. These shops often don’t have a large numbers of customers in store. In hotels guests stay in their rooms and don’t mingle with each other. The amount staying in a hotel will vary. The cafe in my local Tesco is huge and customers can easily stay apart from each other. I am sure there are other similar restaurants. How can clothes and electrical shops be classed as non essential.

Do you feel that even in a real pandemic with an infectious and dangerous disease about, closing the business described above could not be justified and the purpose of closing so many types businesses was psychological and designed to give the message “covid is so bad we have to close a hugh range of businesses” which scares the population.

250091 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to ianric, 10, #1304 of 1842 🔗

Yes, it’s the government hitting us with psychology – and they are piss poor at it.

250113 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1305 of 1842 🔗

Either that or some of us have natural immunity!

250212 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1306 of 1842 🔗

I’d have to say, regretfully, they’re bloody brilliant at it.

250264 ▶▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to dickyboy, 1, #1307 of 1842 🔗

It’s the only thing they got right, unfortunately for the people!

250219 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to ianric, 4, #1308 of 1842 🔗

Yes, I had to laugh so much when a very expensive clothes shop in my town displayed a sign max 6 customers at once. I was like, you are lucky if you get 6 customers A DAY!

250226 ▶▶ Ben, replying to ianric, 7, #1309 of 1842 🔗

Closing of businesses is to create unemployment and to allow the rich to pick off the failed businesses cheap. Destruction to create the Great Reset

250246 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ianric, #1310 of 1842 🔗

Looking for logic in what the government do is futile – unless the logic is political expediency, appearances and theatre

250300 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ianric, 1, #1311 of 1842 🔗

Also it makes no sense – everyone has to crowd into supermarkets to get what they want, rather than spreading out between shops. It’s counterproductive.

250073 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1312 of 1842 🔗

Just came across this website which graphs ONS data – probably already posted previously. Very clear and well presented.

https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

250094 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Ozzie, #1313 of 1842 🔗

It does look good – but they’ve got the mask mandate date wrong. It was 24 July, and there’s is recorded as around 12 June. Couldn’t find a contact or comment address

250267 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Jo, #1314 of 1842 🔗

Was the public transport mandate the 12th

250088 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 18, #1315 of 1842 🔗

Following my post yesterday about cats, this in the DM: “Do dogs spread coronavirus?”

The government has now spent months securing for itself the power of absolute authority: above God and religion, truth, morality, family ties, your children, your body. It makes you wonder if they’re testing how far they can push you. Can they achieve an Orwellian devotion to Big Brother above anything else? Can they keep updating and varying ‘the guidance’ so that you learn submission to mere will, rather than law?

The British are noted for their love of animals. Is this a further frontier for HMG – to drive a wedge between you and what you love, thus proving your endless, undying loyalty to the Covid-cult? “Protect your neighbours from Covid even if it means killing their cats.”

250098 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bugle, 13, #1316 of 1842 🔗

Been part of the green Agenda 2030 for a long time – pets are not sustainable according to the new green gods.

250102 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bugle, 5, #1317 of 1842 🔗

Judging by the numbers of outdoors nappy wearers I’d say submission by will is pretty much complete

250248 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CGL, 2, #1318 of 1842 🔗

No so much here in Sussex.

250522 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to JohnB, #1319 of 1842 🔗

Oh good – I’ll add that to the list of places to visit (goodness knows when!)

250657 ▶▶▶▶ Old Mum, replying to JohnB, #1320 of 1842 🔗

Hmm, not sure that’s true where I am – more outside wearers, definitely 🙁

250135 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Bugle, 6, #1321 of 1842 🔗

Authority has always been the dominant superstition.

Take the Christians for example. Their book tells them that their God is the highest authority. They are commanded directly by their God not to kill, yet they are content to let ‘their representatives’ order thousands of deaths in far off lands. Perhaps they believe that the commandments of their God can be dismissed on a technicality.

And authority is a superstition. We confer the title ‘Government’ on average, or very often below average, human beings, and we expect this will give them superpowers of morallity or organisation, or fairness. It does not. No matter how fancy and elaborate the buildings, titles or rituals that they use are, you still get the same old authoritarian shit.

Government, authority, is anti-human, and always will be. The leading cause of unnatural death in the last century was Government. It is a blight and a curse. Follow their thousands of arbitrary commandments or be kidnapped, robbed, threatened or confined by the violence of the state.

Sadly, it takes an overt demonstration of authoritarianism before the ‘sensible grown up people’ begin see it for what it is.

250147 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Bugle, 9, #1322 of 1842 🔗

So, not content with taking away our means of making a living; stopping us from seeing relatives or friends, restricting all social life (closing pubs restaurants, social clubs and gyms) they now want to kill our pets.

Imagine for a moment an elderly person unable to see family of friends but has a pet. This may be the only comfort he or she has, the only companion and they look forward to their daily walk.

What disgusting psychopath would take that away?

250299 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #1323 of 1842 🔗

Hancock.

250588 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1324 of 1842 🔗

As the toffs always get looked after, I expect hunting dogs will be exempt. I’ll have to train the bulldogs to point.

250099 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 24, #1325 of 1842 🔗

Excellent article in TCW:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/wholl-grab-the-steering-wheel-from-out-of-control-johnson/

I left the comment below. Interestingly, the poster below me, “Jean Claude Junket” was foremost among those slating me for it. He’s come a long, long way since March:

I said from the start of the lockdown that we had just witnessed a power grab from the people and was slated for it. I stand by those words and warn you now that we may only get those rights and liberties back by taking to the streets and mass civil revolt. Johnson’s behaviour right now is psychologically similar to that of Hitler’s denial in 1944-45, and the “Germany doesn’t deserve me so it deserves to sink” attitude right at the very end.

250151 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Nick Rose, 13, #1326 of 1842 🔗

Elderly Germans recognise this from their youth. They’ve seen it before.

250274 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Rosie, 5, #1327 of 1842 🔗

Indeed they have. And East Germans have seen it even more recently.

250379 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1328 of 1842 🔗

A great article. Yes, I agree with the author that there is something seriously wrong with Johnson. It’s no use trying to work out what he’s doing on rational grounds because he is a psychopath or similar. This is obscured by the ‘scientists’ who seem to back his destruction of the country, but this is because they, too, are psychopaths. Not all scientists are like this, such as the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration, but their humility and admirable lack of blind certainty makes them less persuasive to the public.

250155 ▶▶ jb12, replying to CGL, 5, #1330 of 1842 🔗

I know what you mean, but don’t let the MSM label the idea of being opposed to an undertested Covid vaccination as ‘anti-vax’.

250170 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jb12, 3, #1331 of 1842 🔗

The term ‘anti-vax’, complete with negative connotations, will come just too handy for the Hancocks of this world. I’m afraid it’s too late.

250244 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jb12, 2, #1332 of 1842 🔗

Ffs, they are opposed to a vaccination. But we shouldn’t let the msm call them anti-vax ?

(The desperation is only surpassed by the missing means we could use to stop the msm calling anything anything. ).

250485 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JohnB, 1, #1333 of 1842 🔗

What’s the opposite of ‘anti-vax?’ I assume it’s “immune system denier”!

250272 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jb12, 6, #1334 of 1842 🔗

“Covid vaccine cautious. After you.”

250511 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to jb12, #1335 of 1842 🔗

Anti this particular hardly tested vax – we need a new word for it don’t we.
It was how The Times headlined it.

And I typed the above without having looked at all the suggestions already posted! Well done you lot!

250490 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to leggy, 2, #1337 of 1842 🔗

Except this absolute classic:

“Look have it or don’t have it. Just don’t come crying to the NHS if you catch and die from covid in the meantime,”

A voice from the Tomb.

250295 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CGL, 1, #1338 of 1842 🔗

That’s going to be tough on them, since presumably they’ll be compelled to have it.

250517 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1339 of 1842 🔗

I believe the lady in the photo has said she’ll resign first, so I suppose it will be full of ex-NHS staff by that time

250435 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 1, #1340 of 1842 🔗

57 new posts today
218 in the last month

474 total members
+ 227 in the last week

250518 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1341 of 1842 🔗

I think may we have another ‘exponential’ thing happening eh?

250472 ▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 2, #1342 of 1842 🔗

Also anti-nappy and anti-test.
Hallelujah.

250105 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 56, #1343 of 1842 🔗

Seriously, what and when will be the ‘tipping point’ when a majority of the population say ‘ENOUGH’. I’m really starting to lose what limited patience I had. I have days of feeling sheer rage at the stupidity and seriousness of the whole situation.

Is eight months of this dystopian crap, coupled with mass unemployment, mental health hell, being locked up, the mandating of hideous, useless, humiliating face nappies and now the threat of mandatory vaccines still not enough for them?

I only wish I had their patience. Wait, why are they suddenly so patient? You give way for too long at a roundabout and people behind you go mental. Take away their broadband for ten minutes and they have a hissy fit. But the above? Total legit!

Totally with you.
Mind you i get a lot of road rage too – i have to take it out on someone!

250121 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 34, #1345 of 1842 🔗

You are bang on here. I just don’t get why people aren’t angry about what is being done to them. And that’s making me angry.

250127 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 11, #1346 of 1842 🔗

When I go to see my family in Essex I am coming to your cafe!

250136 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to CGL, 9, #1347 of 1842 🔗

Better get a bigger cafe,kh.

250156 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #1348 of 1842 🔗

Well, if this crap ever ends, we can have the inaugural LS bash at mine! And we can use the bloody bandstand without permission!

250161 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 2, #1349 of 1842 🔗

See you there.

250206 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 2, #1350 of 1842 🔗

I’ll happily bring a sound system for some tunes if we can run a cable 🙂

250249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 1, #1351 of 1842 🔗

Sounds nice.

250292 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 4, #1352 of 1842 🔗

If I can fly without a muzzle I’ll be there!

250353 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1353 of 1842 🔗

Same here!

250413 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to CGL, 2, #1354 of 1842 🔗

Which cafe? Where in Essex? I must have missed all previous caff talk. I’ll be going back for a family visit to Essex again soon. Would be good to find some sanity and sanctuary for an hour.

250504 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Monty Bodkin, 1, #1355 of 1842 🔗

Saffron Walden – I’ve been on here for what seems like forever now.
I’m pretty sure none of you will look how I picture you in my head!

I fear there will never be one.

250174 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1357 of 1842 🔗

It’s coming though. It is coming. Hold fast.

250230 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, #1358 of 1842 🔗

What do you think it might be?

250268 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DRW, 1, #1359 of 1842 🔗

No idea. But when it comes, it’ll be fast.

250301 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, #1360 of 1842 🔗

The problem is I just don’t see how it could happen. Which doesn’t mean it won’t but I can’t imagine that it will.

250294 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1361 of 1842 🔗

One simple reason – fear. Everything else has gone out the window.

250384 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 11, #1362 of 1842 🔗

I think it was in Orwell’s 1984 that Winston Smith observed the old man he talked to in the pub was like an insect, in that he could only see little things close to him, he could not see the big picture looming up in front of him. I suspect most people are like that nowadays. Loss of broadband for ten minutes = hissy fit. Biggest loss of civil rights since Cromwell = you what, mate?

250440 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1363 of 1842 🔗

That scene in 1984 is rather odd. The old man actually provides answers to all Winston’s questions, but Winston doesn’t have enough intelligence to process the information. When it comes to criticising the old man’s narrowness of view, Winston is the pot calling the kettle black.

250656 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 2, #1364 of 1842 🔗

You nerd 😉

250109 leggy, replying to leggy, 3, #1365 of 1842 🔗

Check out this absolute nonsense from a local council regarding school attendance and negative test requirements.

250120 ▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, 26, #1366 of 1842 🔗

I am now at the point where I no longer feel it is appropriate for these idiots to be supervising my kids all day. They have completely lost their shit. Our kids are now more intelligent and knowledgeable than their supposed educators – well mine are anyway.

Can we not just claim they are not of sound mind and be done with them?

250171 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to CGL, 11, #1367 of 1842 🔗

The time has come to vastly reduce the influence government, at whatever level, is allowed to interfere in our free society.

250193 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CGL, 10, #1368 of 1842 🔗

The sense of relief that I feel now that we’ve pulled our calf out of school is enormous.

250492 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1369 of 1842 🔗

Well mine are at home at the moment – 1 is isolating, and the other just has no motivation to be at school. I’m fine with that. Whatever they want to do now to be honest. They do better working by themselves it seems anyway.
I’ll wait for the authorities to hassle me before I raise my head above the parapet now. They can stay here as long as they like.
You have no idea how different I sound from 8 months ago!!

250160 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to leggy, 5, #1370 of 1842 🔗

I believe that council is one which intends to teach six year olds how to masturbate.

250201 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1371 of 1842 🔗

You know, I think you may be right. It’s not my local authority, but I do recall some horror stories.

250739 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, #1372 of 1842 🔗

Yes …. and I know some horror stories about the dangers of a seasonal virus.

… but I don’t believe what the media tells me.

250252 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1373 of 1842 🔗

What the fuck ? Honestly ?

250306 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1375 of 1842 🔗

Wow. That’s actually despicable.

250430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Leemc23, #1376 of 1842 🔗

It’s very creepy – especially as many kids will already have sussed that with no paedophilic adult assistance.

250467 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, #1377 of 1842 🔗

Aha, but they need to know The Rules so as to do it properly.

250116 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 7, #1378 of 1842 🔗

Fraser Nelson article in the Spectator just now re: Sweden introducing rule of 8 at gatherings due to increase in hospital admissions exceeding 1st wave. Can’t see it backed by the graphs in the article myself. Anyone else who’s got access confirm?

first Belarus, now Sweden. Are they being leaned on heavily do you think?

250137 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Alan P, 5, #1379 of 1842 🔗

The Spectator is a waste of time

250254 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1380 of 1842 🔗

They went a little bit sceptical for a time but now seem to be back on Gov message again.

250424 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1381 of 1842 🔗

Yes. I had a month’s free trial and no way would I go on to pay for such fluffy rubbish.

250138 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Alan P, 8, #1382 of 1842 🔗

Heavily probably doesn’t even come close to describing the pressure they’ll be under.

250139 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Alan P, 4, #1383 of 1842 🔗

They are listen to Fuellmich being interviewed by a Swede here. Long but riveting and of essential importance.

https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20 from about a month ago with Swedish interviewer.

250218 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Alan P, 1, #1384 of 1842 🔗

The graph in the article shows nothing of the sort, for ICU admissions at least.

250427 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Adamb, #1385 of 1842 🔗

Deaths likewise are way lower.

250130 2 pence, 9, #1386 of 1842 🔗
250153 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 40, #1388 of 1842 🔗

Is this a petition?

250157 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #1389 of 1842 🔗

HaHa! Good one.

250192 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #1390 of 1842 🔗

At the very least, all politicians should be vaccinated and then challenged, aka confronted with the virus.
Ideally before the population starts to get vaccinated.
Let’s see first, whether they do better than the ferrets then.

250590 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to G.Fawkes, #1391 of 1842 🔗

Best laugh I’ve had all day. Brought a genuine smile to my face.

250290 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1392 of 1842 🔗

We’ve got to pray very hard that he doesn’t achieve a “positive test” or this will be taken as de facto evidence that reinfection is a Thing.

250142 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 16, #1393 of 1842 🔗

Great news! Took a call from my father yesterday and I’ve been banned from visiting them for the time being. Apparently the MSM did a lot of scarey-scaring this weekend and my folks seem to be more scared than they were back in Mar/Apr.
The government knows best, stay home and hunker down – cold season is upon us!!!

250152 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Eddie, 3, #1394 of 1842 🔗
250178 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1395 of 1842 🔗

Well let’s hope Sidney Powell releases the Kraken imminently.
Just seen this regarding Mark Malloch-Brown (the Brit with the links to Soros): https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1328165287594606592

250356 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Carrie, 3, #1396 of 1842 🔗

He spelled Molloch wrong.

250177 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Eddie, 14, #1397 of 1842 🔗

That’s been my experience this time, people appear to be more scared than they were with the first Lockdown. I was in Morrisons the other day, the ONLY unmasked person, a garden centre today, the ONLY unmasked person.

Why aren’t people THINKING?

DavidC

250375 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DavidC, 4, #1398 of 1842 🔗

If anything I’ve noticed the opposite. I was up in London last Saturday and, at least in the suburbs, road traffic was pretty much at pre-Covid levels; in a local beauty spot near me in East Anglia yesterday there were lots of people out walking, I didn’t see anyone in masks and several were clearly not in ‘family groups.’

250431 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DavidC, 2, #1399 of 1842 🔗

All the other masks haters are staying away.
Morrison does click snd collect.
There are other garden centres.
The nappied morons were incapable of thinking to start with. It’s just become more noticeable now that their repulsive non-faces are so easily recognisable.

250455 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to DavidC, 1, #1400 of 1842 🔗

Because they were sinners who didn’t worship hard enough at the covid altar the first time round.

250502 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to DavidC, 1, #1401 of 1842 🔗

Same here
Even more idiots masked outside the supermarkets!

250163 dommo, replying to dommo, 14, #1402 of 1842 🔗

insurance – really boring ain’t it? maybe not:-

https://www.bighospitality.co.uk/Article/2020/11/16/Coronavirus-business-interruption-insurance-test-case-heads-to-Supreme-Court-FCA-Hiscox-RSA-QBE-High-Court-ruling-appeal

if the insurers lose the appeal and have to pay out, might they then turn their hostile attentions to the govt???

250181 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to dommo, 5, #1403 of 1842 🔗

More likely, the treasury will shake the magical money tree once again and bail out the insurers.

Gasp! as the British taxpayer underwrites all risks and all incompetence.

250197 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1404 of 1842 🔗

yes i think you could be right unfortunately…

250167 Rosie, 15, #1405 of 1842 🔗

Need to go and rest and eat, will report more later, but come on peeps, follow my example and get out there.

Now’s the time – go and speak to people – do – if you want this to stop, right now is the critical moment. Don’t be shy, don’t delay, and don’t wait any longer.

Don’t waste you time on Lockdown Believers, but devote it to people who are worried – ask them what they think, don’t scare them further unless they are already aware of the plans, there’s a lot of opposition to vaccination so encourage that, and get them into activism as well.

250172 Cheezilla, 14, #1406 of 1842 🔗

PROTESTS Saturday – 21st November:

Bedford – 3pm – Russell Park (weather permitting) (Free Nation)

Belfast – 12pm – City Hall – Savour Our Rights (SOR)

Bournemouth and Portsmouth – 1pm – Town Hall – Stand Up X (SUX)

Ipswich Town – 2pm – Market Square

Liverpool – 1pm – Bombed Out Church

Morecambe – 1pm – Meet at the Battery – Lancashire Action Group

Norwich – 1pm – Chapelfield Gardens (SUX)

Nottingham – 1pm – Market Square by the Lions #MidlandsFreedomGatherings

Sheffield – 12pm – Town Hall Peace Gardens (SUX)

York – 11am – St Sampsons Square (If no rain) (Free Nation)

All are subject to change.
Please check with individual organisers for more information.
(Individual organisers are in brackets.)

For latest updates please go to the Telegram group ‘Protest Everywhere.’
https://t.me/ProtestEverywhere

Please be safe and know what your rights are when attending events.
So please ensure that you are up to date with ever changing legislation and how that may personally affect you.

250173 Cotton, replying to Cotton, 3, #1407 of 1842 🔗

What is happening in Sweden? Usual media bullshit or actual (awful) u-turn?

250214 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cotton, 4, #1408 of 1842 🔗

I wonder if Simon Dolan knows? I think Sweden’s been leaned on. Depressing

250239 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 8, #1409 of 1842 🔗

Some additional restrictions, nothing like what we have here. Sad to see, but light years away from where we are.

I think they are being “leaned on” by their citizens and media, who are not magically immune to coronapanic. Why would they be?

250258 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 2, #1410 of 1842 🔗

Wake me up when they actually impose an actual lockdown.

250262 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 6, #1411 of 1842 🔗

The media are leaning on behalf of their masters. The Covid Cabal is running the world. It doesn’t look good

250336 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 1, #1412 of 1842 🔗

Agreed, but it will be presented in the UK by the Fake Media as a full national lockdown, an admission of failure.

250261 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Cotton, 3, #1413 of 1842 🔗

I would not be surprised if Tegnell resigned now. The idiots have launched a counter attack.

250302 ▶▶▶ Cotton, replying to BJJ, 5, #1414 of 1842 🔗

I was just saying to my dad today about the force of character he must have to resist even so far. I also said it was so important they went through the whole winter without locking down – looks like as others say that they’ve been significantly leaned on.

250321 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cotton, 4, #1415 of 1842 🔗

It isn’t Tegnell, it’s the politicians now taking matters into their own hands.

250369 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to DRW, 2, #1416 of 1842 🔗

Yes, I was reading on Twitter that Tegnell said the new measures were ‘a waste of time’.

250183 dickyboy, replying to dickyboy, 43, #1417 of 1842 🔗

Stockdale’s Paradox:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockdale_paradox

James Stockdale was a POW 7 years:

When [he was] asked which prisoners didn’t make it out of Vietnam, Stockdale replied: Oh, that’s easy, the optimists. Oh, they were the ones who said, ‘We’re going to be out by Christmas.’ And Christmas would come, and Christmas would go. Then they’d say, ‘We’re going to be out by Easter.’ And Easter would come, and Easter would go. And then Thanksgiving, and then it would be Christmas again. And they died of a broken heart. This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.

Those of us who aren’t optimistic can draw some strength from this.

250200 ▶▶ IanE, replying to dickyboy, 7, #1418 of 1842 🔗

Yes – although that 7 years looks pretty optimistic to me: maybe 7 generations!

250184 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -44, #1419 of 1842 🔗

Anna Brees
So this grifter – sorry ‘Citizen Journalist’ is whinging about Facebook restricting her content and that she ‘doesn’t understand why’ She knows exactly why. There are ample examples of her giving enthusiastic coverage to 5G, Bill Gates, NWO, Jon Wedger and all that kind of bollocks as well as chasing David Icke & Piers Corbyn around Trafalgar Sq for an interview. She has also been the subject of unflattering coverage in Private Eye. She initially comes across as ‘oh so reasonable and objective’ she is neither.

250187 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to MutzNutz, 22, #1420 of 1842 🔗

She has also been the subject of unflattering coverage in Private Eye.

Whoever you’re ranting about, I like and admire them due to this fact alone.

250196 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to dickyboy, -28, #1421 of 1842 🔗

UK Column, Breibart etc fan I bet

250199 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #1422 of 1842 🔗

What are you a fan of? Just to give us some perspective.

250207 ▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to leggy, -18, #1423 of 1842 🔗

I am a fan of Lockdown Sceptics. Not the cranks who hitch themselves to the cause

250220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to MutzNutz, 8, #1424 of 1842 🔗

What are your thoughts on the trolls that come here ?

250232 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to JohnB, -20, #1425 of 1842 🔗

Not enough of them 😉

250242 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to MutzNutz, 6, #1426 of 1842 🔗

So kind of a ve vill zennzor de views of ze peepul ve do not agree vis kind of type?

250293 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1427 of 1842 🔗

This thing encompasses far more than just lockdowns. Its global psyop on steroids..

250331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, #1428 of 1842 🔗

No you’re not.

250361 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to OKUK, -3, #1429 of 1842 🔗

I am not what?

250236 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to MutzNutz, 8, #1430 of 1842 🔗

The guardian is that way 👉

250247 ▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to KBuchanan, -17, #1431 of 1842 🔗

Just because I don’t go with the some of the crank narrative here, why do you assume I read or agree with anything in the Guardian (which I don’t read BTW)

250333 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1432 of 1842 🔗

That’s just the sort if lie a Guardian reader would come out when engaged in disruption duties.

250365 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to OKUK, -7, #1433 of 1842 🔗

Oh please. This childish ya boo response just confirms the extent of the silo/echo chamber this place has become and the sadly narrow minded attitude of too many here.

250330 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, #1434 of 1842 🔗

Let’s hope so.

250328 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dickyboy, 3, #1435 of 1842 🔗

Yep, to be targeted by defender of the rich and powerful, Ian Hislop is a badge of honour.

250189 ▶▶ watashi, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #1436 of 1842 🔗

Are you talking about Anna Brees? What do you have against her?

250210 ▶▶ Ben, replying to MutzNutz, -11, #1437 of 1842 🔗

Wouldn’t be surprised if Ms Brees was controlled opposition. She couldn’t understand why people were criticising the World Economic Forum

250211 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 5, #1438 of 1842 🔗

Bullshit.

250213 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Ben, 11, #1439 of 1842 🔗

Are we talking about the same person? she has given many people a platform to voice their concern and distress about what is going on.

250259 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to watashi, -3, #1440 of 1842 🔗

Exactly. I’m not a fool. She was championing Dr Schoning (rightly so) but earlier in the year she was questioning why there were negative comments on WEF Great Reset sites. The replies to her were incredulous.

Lara Crab is suspicious of her too. James Melville is another. He spent six months opposing lockdowns then yesterday advised people to take the vaccine.

250234 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 7, #1441 of 1842 🔗

How would you determine if someone was “controlled opposition”?

250224 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to MutzNutz, 9, #1442 of 1842 🔗

None of which is a good reason for her to be censored.

250233 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MutzNutz, 9, #1443 of 1842 🔗

She has done a lot of work to promote various voices of all kinds dissenting from the narrative, probably at the risk of destroying her career

Whatever her motivations, I think she’s been more of a help than a hindrance

250188 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 38, #1444 of 1842 🔗

Operation, 2020 edition…

Instructions:

  1. Place a AA battery into the board – the patient’s nose will light up
  2. Do nothing
  3. Wait for the bulb to go out
  4. Issue a death certificate with “Tested positive” and “no autopsy”

(I promise to stop doing these if they are annoying… 🙂 )
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250190 ▶▶ watashi, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1445 of 1842 🔗

I’m enjoying them, thank you

250205 ▶▶ helen, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1446 of 1842 🔗

Keep them coming!

250253 ▶▶ chaos, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1447 of 1842 🔗

Can I have a go?

250195 NickR, 28, #1448 of 1842 🔗

Hospitalisation rates feed directly into deaths data about 2 weeks down the track so we can see now that there isn’t a big death wave coming down the track because hospitalisations haven’t gone up.
Likewise positive tests haven’t gone up so hospitalisations aren’t going up much or the coming weeks.
The 2nd lockdown started on the 5th so we still shouldn’t expect to see any impact on hospitalisations until the back-end of this week. But we know it isn’t coming coz the infections aren’t there. The whole thing is a ponzi scheme.

250198 NickR, replying to NickR, 12, #1449 of 1842 🔗

We don’t hear much about “doubling rates” anymore!

250223 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 11, #1450 of 1842 🔗

Indeed we don’t. And the fucking useless/evil media have not noticed.

250227 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 5, #1451 of 1842 🔗

Or the malevolent media have.

250370 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 3, #1452 of 1842 🔗

We could be having lower than normal death rates and much of the media would neither notice nor report on it. It would be an ‘inverse death curve’ or something to get frightened about instead.

250736 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, #1453 of 1842 🔗

We are, in fact, having lower than the median mortality (27-year baseline).

So – innumeracy or lying is winning the day.

Simple

250251 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 1, #1454 of 1842 🔗

Or now retracted SAGE doommodelling…

250269 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, 1, #1455 of 1842 🔗

I am numblexic, can you get an exponential flat-line?

250345 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Two-Six, #1456 of 1842 🔗

x^^0

250363 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PastImperfect, #1457 of 1842 🔗

sorry that means nothing to me

250372 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1458 of 1842 🔗

Any value of x^0 = 1 hence a flat line ?

250203 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #1459 of 1842 🔗

How does this all end was a question posed somewhere back down today’s list of posts? no real idea but as a step in the right direction; NHS England announced today that total Covid 19 patients in English NHS hospitals rose by 54, I think they can cope? overall in the last 7 days the total Covid 19 patients in English NHS hospitals rose by 18.6%. So yes a rise but it is a wet autumn in the UK that is what happens. If things carry on at this rate the total figure could double by the end of the year, it will keep the NHS busy but that is what it is there for and again, it should be able to cope.
How does it all end? still no idea but when the scary data becomes increasingly hard to find it will be a step in the right direction

250281 ▶▶ George L, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1460 of 1842 🔗

It seems cuddly Klaus Slob and his team at the WEF club are cooking up a few ideas as we speak.. a huge cyber attack taking down the worlds power grid and banking systems seems to fit the bill. Klaus is literally wetting himself in anticipation..

250284 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to George L, 1, #1461 of 1842 🔗
250425 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to George L, #1462 of 1842 🔗

Literally?
How do you know?

250283 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1463 of 1842 🔗

Read 1984

250366 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1464 of 1842 🔗

As Mr Hitchens points out, if governments will lockdown like this for a relatively harmless disease such as Covid, a vaccine won’t make any difference, because what happens when the next relatively harmless disease comes along? We will have to lockdown again.

250380 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1465 of 1842 🔗

Indeed, LDs “until there’s a vaccine” will be a standard response to every new virus.

250221 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 12, #1466 of 1842 🔗

Saw the insufferable David Nabarro (a kind of Papal Legate to the UK appointed by WHO) do his usual schtick on the BBC News channel, being lobbed soft ball questions by the lobotomised BBC guy. It’s all about the betterment of humankind, you’ll be pleased to learn – that’s all he, and the scientists of the world are interested in…so not the mega tax-free salary, then David?

A minor observation – the clock on his wall bore the legend 4SD, a sustainable “initiative” forming part of Agenda 2030 – no doubt a freebie at one of the many international conferences he will have attended in his various WHO and UN roles.

He’s a close relative of Sir Gerald Nabarro, the fine upstanding MP of old,whom some of a certain age may recall and, to top it all (had not realised before) a Professor at Imperial College.

250421 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to OKUK, 1, #1467 of 1842 🔗

That guy is pure evil

250255 Sarigan, 2, #1468 of 1842 🔗

It’s a mediaopoly. Banned 1998 short cartoon strikes many a chord in 2020:

https://youtu.be/nh6Hf5_ZYPI

250270 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 8, #1469 of 1842 🔗

It’s getting bad now. Just been arrested for looking at David Icke’s website.

250277 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eddy, 2, #1470 of 1842 🔗

i don’t look, it’s too scary

250286 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Eddy, 14, #1471 of 1842 🔗

Being Canadian, I had no clue who he was pre-Covid but when I saw the interview he did on Brian Rose’s London Real just before Lockdown 1.0 he’s positively prescient. Maybe 5% of what he says is “out there” but the other 90% was spot on if you watch it now. Frankly, I couldn’t understand why he’s considered such a nutter based on that interview.

250297 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 9, #1472 of 1842 🔗

It’s because…back in the old days in the 80’s he was a BBC TV sports presenter and before that a footballer. So he had quite a high public profile, then he left the bbc and worked for the green party and perhaps got in with the “wrong” people. Then he went to Peru or somewhere in the Amazon and took Ayahuasca, the strong hallucinogen. He went a bit “funny” after that and had a spiritual revaluation or two and started speaking out about what he saw as injustices and untruths and this went against the establishment’s grain. They got him on prime time BBC TV on the Wogan show when he in reality wasn’t psychologically stable and absolutely pilloried him. Wogan was terribly cruel and mocked him mercilessly. It literally destroyed his career overnight and the nation viewed him as a laughingstock.

That’s how it all started.

250320 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1473 of 1842 🔗

We he did actually claim to be the Son of God. Well I guess he’s ticked the “mocked” box. If he could get us out of this mess, that would certainly qualify as a miracle.

250349 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1475 of 1842 🔗

There was the turquoise tracksuit phase as well.

250298 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1476 of 1842 🔗

Apparently he once declared himself to be the son of God. That was enough for most people to judge him. I’ve not looked into the validity of that statement to be honest.

250314 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 2, #1477 of 1842 🔗

This was something he did say but obviously it was taken out of context. It stems from the psychedelic revaluations he thinks he received from a sort of spirit guide that said his reason to be on earth at this time was to save mankind.
Err sort of a reborn of The Gods kind of monent I guess, so him saying he was the son of God or the son of his spirit guide was sort of where he was coming from. I think anyway.

250318 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1478 of 1842 🔗

I heard him on one of his first post-Wogan speaking tours, about 1991 I think. It started off reasonably well about environmental stuff, but then descended into green-ink type ramblings about ‘channellings’ etc. When I watch his videos now, he seems an almost completely different person and I suspect he was really not in his right mind back then.

250326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1479 of 1842 🔗

No, Schizophrenia most likely, his obsession with coloured track suits, auras, it’s not surprising strong hallucinogens can easily trigger Schizophrenic breakdowns and he was still pretty young then too, so much more at risk of lasting psychological disturbance.

It’s not surprising, I have heard that Ayahuasca can be extremely strong.
.

250406 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1480 of 1842 🔗

He’s been spot on for decades.

250315 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Eddy, #1481 of 1842 🔗

By the Reptilian Support Group?

250343 ▶▶ John P, replying to Eddy, #1482 of 1842 🔗

?

250271 Charlie Blue, 10, #1483 of 1842 🔗

Received a boiler plate paper letter from Lucy Allan MP today, in response to my email prior to the lockdown vote. Had thought she was showing promise but she seems to have fallen into line now. Never mind. I’m sure she’s already looking forward to my next communication. And I am looking forward to composing it.

250288 JYC, 1, #1484 of 1842 🔗

Where was the Scottish table on the NRS dashboard? I couldn’t find it.

250291 PastImperfect, 8, #1485 of 1842 🔗

LEAFLET
To the occupier. Good News .
Congratulations. Your home has been under remote surveillance and we are pleased to inform you that nobody living at this address need wear masks anywhere. If anyone challenges you in this regard, you should reply that you are exempt. No person has the right to ask you why you are exempt. You can check details of exemptions on the internet at https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/903454/Exemption_from_face_covering_card_to_print.pdf

250296 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 15, #1486 of 1842 🔗

Very depressing article in Speccie today – looks like Sweden is under pressure from our unelected global rulers to change their strategy… https://www.spectatordotcodotuk/article/sweden-s-rule-of-eight-marks-a-change-of-strategy

A few weeks ago, Sweden was held up as pretty much the only country in the world to have responded to coronavirus using a voluntary system: advising, rather than instructing, the public. But this has changed today with Stefan Löfven, the Prime Minister, saying he will pass a law to introduce a ban on gatherings of eight people or more. ‘Do your duty. Do not go to the gym, do not go to the library, do not have parties. Do not come up with excuses that would make your activity OK,’ he said n a press conference. ‘It is your and my choices — every single day, every single hour, every single moment — that will now determine how we manage this.’

It then goes on to say:

But now, the second wave is striking Sweden hard. Fredrik Elgh, professor of virology at Umeå University, recently told SVT that Sweden is two weeks away from surpassing the first wave’s peak hospitalisations. This builds political pressure — which Tegnell has tended not to respond to.
Sweden has been tightening in stages. On 22 October it imposed a 50 person limit on public gatherings, with 300 on concerts and sporting events. Last week, the government proposed a 10 p.m. pub curfew. The week before, a rule of eight was imposed in restaurants. Anna Ekstrom, the education minister, has even said that ‘should it be needed, we will not hesitate to close the schools’ — in the first wave, Sweden kept schools open up to sixth form”

Doom and disaster is of course, not in the least bit evident from the WHO cases vs deaths chart for Sweden – in fact, the graphs show deaths trending downwards after a small spike at the start of Nov.

250308 ▶▶ Ben, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #1487 of 1842 🔗

Who are these global rulers imposing lockdowns on every country?

250322 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 11, #1488 of 1842 🔗

Scared and panicking, or just conformist, elites – academics, doctors, media types artists, managers, civil servants, etc. They aren’t the only scared panickers but they are the ones who can make their opinions felt in media and politics.

Panic is contagious, and so is conformism. Only “hard right extremists” and uncaring people who “put money ahead of lives” are resisting the panic measures, and who wants to be associated with those kinds of people?

250341 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 1, #1489 of 1842 🔗

Boris Johnson in my country. You?

250344 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 2, #1490 of 1842 🔗

Have you watched that video I posted a link to earlier John P?

It explains very well who these global rulers are.

250313 ▶▶ DRW, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1491 of 1842 🔗

They can switch back to “cases” now, they’ve been consistently headlining the superficially worst metric. Also “second wave”, ugh.

250419 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1492 of 1842 🔗

Tegnell faced opposition in Spring, too.

250536 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1493 of 1842 🔗

Technically “covid” deaths in Sweden have had an uptick, but Euromomo still has their current death rate below the 5-year average.

The obvious question to the zealots is surely: if Sweden are in the midst of a dangerous pandemic, how can the death rate possibly be lower than the 5-year average, especially after rejecting lockdowns and face masks?

I would genuinely love to hear the logic of their answer.

Unfortunately the pressure is coming from the “case” numbers again. Does anybody know what the Swedish testing model is (ie. have tests increased, if PCR what is the number of cycles etc.)?

250735 ▶▶ RickH, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #1494 of 1842 🔗

Yes – there is no sign whatsoever of unusually high mortality in Sweden : quite the reverse.

250303 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 23, #1495 of 1842 🔗

Aren’t people like this the absolute worst?

250309 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 17, #1496 of 1842 🔗

Just have to hope the vaccine – that they will be pushing to the front of the queue to take – actually just kills them off!

250367 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 14, #1497 of 1842 🔗

The Karen is strong with this one.

250307 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 17, #1498 of 1842 🔗

Michael O’Bernicia
@TheBernician
·
Nov 13

The time for protest is over. The time for nationwide totalitarian non-compliance and non-violent direct action is upon us.

250317 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to PastImperfect, 12, #1499 of 1842 🔗

Wasn’t he supposed to have arranged for MH to be arrested today?

250362 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1500 of 1842 🔗

Hmmmm, yes he was wasn’t he.

250468 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CGL, 1, #1501 of 1842 🔗

Apparently Common Law summons was presented to Nicola Sturgeon today and lodged with the Edinburgh Sherrif. I’ve no idea about this stuff. And I’ve tried to grasp it.

250316 Adam, replying to Adam, 4, #1502 of 1842 🔗

Can messer’s Johnson and Hancock permanently self isolate in perpetual retirement

250357 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Adam, 4, #1503 of 1842 🔗

Or, a the risk of sounding like Miryam Margolyes (and looking increasingly like her as it goes) – they could just die.

250323 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1504 of 1842 🔗

Interesting. I was only suggesting this morning that, in order to circumvent the “agreement” to allow a vote on December 2, They would want to leave the country in a mixture of level 2 and 3 mockdowns.

From the DT live:
Conservative MPs have blasted the “grim” and “terrible” suggestion that lower tiers could be “strengthened” after national lockdown is lifted, with Boris Johnson on another collision course with his backbenchers.

…. Matt Hancock noted it was “too early” to say whether the UK would be able to leave lockdown on December 2.

…. Dr Susan Hopkins, chief medical adviser to NHS Test and Trace, went on to suggest those in areas with lower case rates could emerge from current restrictions to find themselves under harsher rules than before. …. “We see very little effect from Tier 1 and I think when we look at what tiers may be there in the future we will have to think about strengthening them in order to get us through the winter months until the vaccine is available for everyone.”

…. Matt Hancock might have hoped the good news about securing five million doses of a brand new vaccine would win people over – but he didn’t count on being overshadowed by the threat of “strengthened” tiers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/16/boris-johnson-self-isolating-brexit-trade-deal-latest-news/

250337 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1505 of 1842 🔗

I literally have no words.

250339 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1506 of 1842 🔗

Well no more than five anyway …

250340 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1507 of 1842 🔗

That means they will look at “strengthening” the bottom tiers to have more of an impact after the national lockdown, Dr Hopkins says.

Tier 3 for everyone then. ie full national mockdown continues.

250354 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1508 of 1842 🔗

We already don’t have a None or a Low

250388 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #1509 of 1842 🔗

No surprise there then,more time needed to destroy the small business and hospitality sectors obviously.
This is our permanent future if we,as a population,don’t stand up and stop it.
No more talking,no more peaceful protests,they are achieving very little and we don’t have the time to waste.
The government,the police,the political parties,they are all our enemies,they are laughing at us and our belief in democracy and free speech and decency.We need to fight them in the same way they are attacking us,we’ve got to stop worrying about holding on to the moral high ground,unfortunately we are going to have to lower ourselves to their level to be able to beat them.No speech,no matter by whom,is going to stop them,no court case,even in the extremely unlikely event of it being in our favour,will stop them.
I have tried all the usual ways to fight back for months now,writing to MPs,councils,large organisations you name it,I’ve spoken to people to encourage them to think for themselves and do their own research etc.,virtually none of this has made any difference at all.
I know I might upset some people with this post but it seems for every step forward we get sent 100 backwards,it feels that we are being allowed to dissipate our strength and fight in certain ways until we are as demoralised and submissive as everyone who is taken in by the propaganda.

250410 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Paul, 14, #1510 of 1842 🔗

Yep some of us small businesses are clinging on as long as we can. Hard to sell holidays when you can’t go anywhere though.

250454 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1511 of 1842 🔗

God I think we all wish we could Sarigan. We all need something to look forward to.

250335 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #1512 of 1842 🔗

I posted yesterday YT footage of GB being arrested for speaking at Speakers Corner:

Arrested

Later yesterday Sam of Subject Access YT channel live streamed from the South bank, no police stopping people from going about enjoying the Sunday afternoon:

Not Arrested

Free speech is no longer allowed.

250342 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dave #KBF, 9, #1513 of 1842 🔗

Absolutely, it’s nothing to do with crowds gathering, it’s all to do with intimidation and control. The Met police are particularly tyrannical and the officers on the whole seem to love the extra power.

250350 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Darryl, 4, #1514 of 1842 🔗

Well they’ve been told they can’t be racist any more so they have to take it out on someone.

250394 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1515 of 1842 🔗

Is it possible to get one of those very fat dwarf PCSO’s as a Christmas present

Do John Lewis sell them?

250621 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, #1516 of 1842 🔗

Speakers Corner is taped off!

250338 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 8, #1517 of 1842 🔗

Interesting video, not long before this type of information is banned. Establishment loves to treat us like children. They might as well officially rename the BBC as The Ministry of Propaganda.
Former Vice President at Pfizer, Dr. Michael Yeadon, who has over 32 years of experience in pharmaceutical research and development, has penned a letter to Matt Hancock, the UKs head of Health and Social Care, expressing his deep concerns over the experimental use of #COVID19 vaccines coming to market. In kind, Doctors are voicing their concerns about how little they know about the most anticipated vaccine in the modern era.
EX PFIZER VP CONCERNED ABOUT EXPERIMENTAL COVID VACCINE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rWGDYZnqR3kQ/

250396 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 8, #1518 of 1842 🔗

Did you spot this?
BitChute needs your help! We have been deplatformed by service providers and we are in the process of moving providers. If you experience an issue this is likely the cause.

250409 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1519 of 1842 🔗

I have a bad feeling that unless people support alternative platforms we will only have the option of a heavily censored YouTube. Funny how the ruling elites seem to like monopolies when it suits them for their propaganda purposes.

250397 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Darryl, -18, #1520 of 1842 🔗

Yeadon keeps banging on that all positive tests are False Positive. This is very, very unlikely.

250399 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Mayo, 6, #1521 of 1842 🔗

evidence for your statement?

250411 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to DocRC, -7, #1522 of 1842 🔗

The recent positivity rate for ONS is about 1%. For government tests it’s higher because tests are more targeted.

If all these positive tests are false – Why were the ONS and government not getting anything like 1% during the summer?

The False Positive rate can’t just increase 20-fold or more for no reason.

250428 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Mayo, #1523 of 1842 🔗

Can you provide a link for the positivity values in the summer compared to now?

250598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Barney McGrew, #1524 of 1842 🔗

The simplest way to show this is to go to the link below

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyuk13november2020

Then download the data (Excel spreadsheet)

The first table (1d) probably best demonstrates the point. For example

Jun 20- Jul 3 14 positives from 25359 tests (~0.06%)
Oct 24 – Nov 6 1858 positives from 154159 (1.2%)

250434 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mayo, 2, #1525 of 1842 🔗

Presumably the fp rate can change pretty dramatically in response to changes in handling of the tests, such as massive ramping up of numbers, changes in outsourcing, staffing, etc.

250611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Mark, #1526 of 1842 🔗

Even if that were happening with government tests, it would not be the case with ONS tests which are recorded over a longer period.

The fact remains that ONS was only recording ~0.04% positive tests in the summer.

250534 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mayo, 1, #1527 of 1842 🔗

Of course all the positives aren’t false. But where is your evidence that Yeadon is saying they are?

250601 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to guy153, -4, #1528 of 1842 🔗

Listen to him.

250539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Mayo, 4, #1529 of 1842 🔗

The less virus there is circulating in the population the higher the false positive rate. And depending on the amplification cycles being used, you can get a positive PCR from a swab of a banana. At a minimum we can agree that the test is not fit-for-purpose and there are a huge number of false positives.

250603 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, -1, #1530 of 1842 🔗

The less virus there is circulating in the population the higher the false positive rate.

No. The FP rate depends on the specificity of the Test. It’s the percentage of negative cases that return a positive result.

And depending on the amplification cycles being used, you can get a positive PCR from a swab of a banana

ONS have been consistent. The FP rate can’t be more than 0.05% as that was the positivity rate during the summer.

250670 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Mayo, #1531 of 1842 🔗

What number of cycles are the ONS using?

250682 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Draper233, -1, #1532 of 1842 🔗

Providing they are consistent what does it matter?

250694 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Mayo, #1533 of 1842 🔗

Well you seem to claim expertise on ONS testing methodologies so surely a simple question…?

OK, let’s make it a theoretical question to start with then. Do you think that a test run on, say, 25 cycles will have the same FP rate as a test run on 45 cycles?

250752 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Mayo, #1534 of 1842 🔗

Are they consistent? I can’t see anything about it in their blurb. A great long document about ‘methodology’ but nothing at all about the absolute core of what it is they’re supposed to be doing. They say:

We know the specificity of our test must be very close to 100% as the low number of positive tests in our study means that specificity would be very high even if all positives were false. For example, in the most recent six-week period (31 July to 10 September), 159 of the 208,730 total samples tested positive. Even if all these positives were false, specificity would still be 99.92%.
We know that the virus is still circulating , so it is extremely unlikely that all these positives are false.

How do these statements relate to the government’s research into false positives?

An attempt has been made to estimate the likely false-positive rate of national COVID-19 testing programmes by examining data from published external quality assessments (EQAs) for RT-PCR assays for other RNA viruses carried out between 2004-2019 [7]. Results of 43 EQAs were examined, giving a median false positive rate of 2.3% (interquartile range 0.8-4.0%).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf

As for the bold bit above: this seems like a circular argument. We don’t have many false positives because we know the virus is still circulating and we know that the the virus is still circulating because we are getting some positive tests.

Something doesn’t ring true here. The assertion is that the testing system’s false positive rate is indicated by its lowest ever incidence level, the inherent assumption being then that it has been consistent throughout.

If I dishonestly wanted to suggest a very low false positive rate, therefore, I would arrange a couple of weeks when it didn’t matter (the summer) where my positivity rate was almost zero. To do this I would lower the number of cycles (for example). And then I would subsequently ramp up the number of cycles when I wanted to suggest a ‘second wave’. I would avoid all mention of the number of cycles and any other detail about the core of my testing in all documentation because I would then have to reveal my sleight of hand or tell a lie. Instead I would go into great detail about everything else to make it look as though I took this really, really seriously and hope that no one asked any awkward questions about numbers of cycles and so on.

250459 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 3, #1535 of 1842 🔗

Haven’t watched dispatches tonight but the plug was that they were to show some undercover reports on the chaos in labs. We have no idea how that uptick in capacity has impacted quality. False positives could well be sky high as a result

250613 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -1, #1536 of 1842 🔗

Not for ONS.

250618 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mayo, #1537 of 1842 🔗

ONS just take the numbers reported to them.

250654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Cheezilla, -1, #1538 of 1842 🔗

Explain what you mean. Where do you think the ONS might be going wrong? And, of course, where France, Italy, Germany , Spain and Sweden are also going wrong.

Remember Sweden were supposed to be ahead of the pack in the race for herd immunity. In recent days Sweden has recorded some pretty big case numbers.

The Covid symptom study which is totally independent of govt or ONS also recorded a rapid rise (now falling) beginning in late September.

250476 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mayo, 3, #1539 of 1842 🔗

I do start to loose the will to live with all this rate data, when I look at the NHS dashboard it says there have been 33 million pillar 1 & 2 tests of which 1.4 million have been positive and yet with all that, in NHS England Hospitals there are currently 12,000 Covid 19 patients in hospital. To my simplistic mind it all starts to look as though much of this is like the old discussions about how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin.
The main point is;
ain’t nothing shaking but the leaves on the tree’
These are not the statistics of an emergency demanding dodgy Statutory Instruments made under a Public Health Order that was never designed for this purpose. To my mind these are the statistics that suggest we are now at the stage when we should rescind all legislation and move all this on to a more normal Public Health approach.

250625 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Martindale, -1, #1540 of 1842 🔗

The bottom line:

Throughout the summer the ONS (forget the government tests) were consistently recording 0.03%-0.05% positive cases. This has gradually risen over the past 3 months.

In the most recent fortnight (to Nov 6th) the positivity rate was 1.2%

250346 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1541 of 1842 🔗

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Matt Hancock has refused to rule out making a coronavirus vaccine mandatory, suggesting ministers could make it a requirement if initial take-up is lower than expected.
.
…. asked whether those without underlying conditions could be forced to take the vaccine in the future, he said: “I’ve learnt not to rule things out during this pandemic because we have to watch what happens and you have to make judgments accordingly.”
His comments come amid growing concern in Government over the dissemination of anti-vaccination material online.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/16/matt-hancock-refuses-rule-making-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/

250347 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 23, #1542 of 1842 🔗

Remove that offensive image now!!!

250351 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to CGL, 27, #1543 of 1842 🔗

I know Toby believes in free expression, but … I don’t know … I think posting these sort of indecent images is maybe going a little too far.

Even with it’s face half covered the image is still nauseating.

250355 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 6, #1544 of 1842 🔗

I have just killed a kitten.

250404 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1545 of 1842 🔗

One less covid vector at least

250360 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to CGL, 4, #1546 of 1842 🔗

I second that!

250392 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 4, #1547 of 1842 🔗

Sums it up, doesn’t it?!

250463 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cheezilla, 20, #1548 of 1842 🔗

There. Fixed it for you.

250470 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, #1549 of 1842 🔗

Nice mask – shame about the (half a) face!

250528 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1550 of 1842 🔗

That’s so much better. Thanks!

250530 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #1551 of 1842 🔗

If you hover your cursor over it, the label is “the right honourable Matt Hancock.”

Even his jpeg label is a lie!

250558 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1552 of 1842 🔗

Sorry, that was me. I always use his full appellation as a piss take.

250606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, #1553 of 1842 🔗

I like a bit of irony with my piss takes.

250725 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mabel Cow, #1554 of 1842 🔗

lovely

250401 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to CGL, 4, #1555 of 1842 🔗

I was just gonna say it too!
He looks at his worst with that awful NHS mask on. Somebody black out the whole thing!!

250438 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to CGL, 4, #1556 of 1842 🔗

I hate that man. Would contemplate doing a life sentence….

250444 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jo, 3, #1557 of 1842 🔗

I thought I was

250460 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jo, #1558 of 1842 🔗

They do this because they know the sheeple… well this last word says it all!

250348 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cheezilla, 18, #1559 of 1842 🔗

He really is utter scum.

250352 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 20, #1560 of 1842 🔗

‘anti vaccination material’ – i.e. anyone who doesn’t much fancy taking a rushed-through vaccination pushed through by utter bellends who saw nothing wrong with locking people up and by so doing ruining their civil liberties, livelihoods and mental health.

250393 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1561 of 1842 🔗

Del Bigtree should make him the next vaxhole of the week after Moron.

250415 ▶▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to DRW, 3, #1562 of 1842 🔗

I understand he is way out in front in the voting for ‘political c*** of the year’ on the isac*** website (parental advisory. Obviously, lol).

250371 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1563 of 1842 🔗

Do the right thing Cheezilla!

250377 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1564 of 1842 🔗

Virtue signaling piece of vermin. Part human , part rat.

250383 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1565 of 1842 🔗

Not chatty rat, surely not

250422 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to nottingham69, 3, #1566 of 1842 🔗

Where’s the human bit?

250457 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1567 of 1842 🔗
250608 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Voz 0db, #1568 of 1842 🔗

You too Voz.

250358 leggy, replying to leggy, 8, #1569 of 1842 🔗

Breaking – Govt have now purchased 5m doses of the Moderna vaccine. That’s 355 million doses of vaccine they’ve ordered. WTAF?

250364 ▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, 8, #1570 of 1842 🔗

Enough to do everyone five times.

250378 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to leggy, 17, #1571 of 1842 🔗

Where are the millions demanding this vaccine? How much is this costing? Is it safe? Why are they so desperate that we take it? Utterly utterly sick of this shit show. Just think what else they could’ve done with the money that they have casually spunked during this lunacy.

250426 ▶▶ Jo, replying to leggy, 3, #1572 of 1842 🔗

I think it’s called panic buying. But it’s our money

250368 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #1573 of 1842 🔗

Are the police suffering from some kind of group psychiatric disorder?

One moment they are catatonic to the point where even a polite ‘good morning’ doesn’t arouse a response

The next moment they are screaming incoherent banshees attacking passive people with batons

What happened to the calm and collected British Bobby who took everything in their stride

Today you only see them in groups of ten or more, and then they are kitted up like they are about to dropped behind enemy lines

Indoctrinated and incapable of independent thought

250374 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1574 of 1842 🔗

It does make you wonder what’s happened to them doesn’t it.

Maybe they’ve been undergoing some independent brainwashing.

250387 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 4, #1575 of 1842 🔗
250395 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, 4, #1576 of 1842 🔗

Politicisation under the Blair government is the main reason, I think. They were one of the last of the institutions to be taken over. The Stephen Lawrence case was used as the justification.

250414 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1577 of 1842 🔗

People do not understand the significance of the Stephen Lawrence enquiry.The police were unfairly tarred with the accusation of institutional racism.due to one operational decision on whether to arrest the suspects,based on hearsay evidence or wait for more solid evidence.
The government then purged the Police of old fashioned police officers and cowed the rest.
They then promoted political correct officers such as Cressida Dick.The knife crime epidemic in London is a result of this.

250423 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #1578 of 1842 🔗

Indeed Jonathan. I was naive back then and didn’t realise what that apparently neutral phrase “institutional racism” which appeared to have a grain of truth but maybe just a bit overstated really meant as a trojan horse for wokery to rampage through coppering. I’m wiser now but it’s too late.

250433 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1579 of 1842 🔗

Having worked in the criminal justice system, I think that since PACE regulations, (another 1984 Act) they have felt their natural tendencies constrained. Now they have a bit of power against totally harmless non-criminal people and are letting rip.
And I sincerely apologise to the many – but sadly not majority – of really good police officers I have encountered during my career.

250585 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1580 of 1842 🔗

Dress them up like the army and they start acting like stormtroopers

250382 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1581 of 1842 🔗

Re. Sweden. Not quite how the MSM have been reporting it.

https://twitter.com/kynohy/status/1328350108774264832

250408 ▶▶ Mark, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1582 of 1842 🔗

Sweden. Not quite how the MSM have been reporting it.

Could have written that comment, legitimately, almost every single day since early April.

250386 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 72, #1583 of 1842 🔗

Earlier today, a man who does Health Secretary impersonations told a radio interviewer that Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-based Medicine at Oxford University, was an “outlier”. In an interview earlier in the same radio programme, Prof Heneghan had presented several important pieces of evidence; the projected figures presented by The Prime Minister’s advisors at a press conference to justify lockdown 2.0 were false, the NHS bed and ICU occupancy figures show that the health service is not being overwhelmed and the numbers are normal for the time of year; and although there were some excess deaths over the 5 year average, 90% of these are in the home (which he linked to the NHS being less accessible).

I am not entirely sure what The Health Secretary means by “outlier.” Is it that Prof Heneghan didn’t go to Eton, or that he has a northern accent, or that he didn’t study PPE at Exeter College Oxford (he has a Medical degree from New College, Oxford) or that in the evidence-free zone between Mr Hancock’s ears Prof Heneghan inconveniently disagrees with the deranged statistics of Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson?

I know who I believe!

250400 ▶▶ Old Mum, replying to DocRC, 5, #1584 of 1842 🔗

I heard it – couldn’t believe JHB didn’t pick him up on that – maybe she was speechless!

250465 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Old Mum, 5, #1585 of 1842 🔗

Or maybe she just let him dig his own grave – oh god there I go again wishing his life away

250501 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Old Mum, 2, #1586 of 1842 🔗

They’re mates apparently.

250405 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DocRC, 18, #1587 of 1842 🔗

Heneghan is northern working class. So am I. I was also at Oxford. Agree with your post completely DocRC.

250474 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1588 of 1842 🔗

That makes 3 of us!

250527 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DocRC, 8, #1589 of 1842 🔗

I saw the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration — renowned scientists from Stanford, Harvard and Oxford — referred to as “fringe” scientists. In what universe??? Oh yeah, the Covid universe.

250724 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to DocRC, #1590 of 1842 🔗

Fabulous post, thank you!

250389 Tommy Hutchinson, -1, #1591 of 1842 🔗

There are no infectious, contagious diseases. Germ theory is deadly myth!

250390 Alexei, replying to Alexei, 44, #1592 of 1842 🔗

A fascinating post by DickyBoy refers to “Stockdale’s Paradox” and the danger of false optimism: