2020-11-17

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250767 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Barney McGrew, 11, #2 of 1903 🔗

Dear Lockdown

You must write to your MP and ask them to stop the Great Reset
– If you’re writing to a Labour MP call it the Great Capitalist Reset

This Is How Great Reset Will End Western Democracies
Mahyar Tousi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk2W7rOFatg

250868 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 16, #3 of 1903 🔗

And if writing to a Conservative MP, call it the Great Marxist Reset.

250946 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #4 of 1903 🔗

The left have totally hoodwinked by tbe Ahern, Biden, Tredeau types.

251111 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #5 of 1903 🔗

Wasn’t aware Bertie Ahern was a lockdown zealot: don’t you mean Jacinda Ardern ?

251371 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #6 of 1903 🔗

You forgot Madge Hancock’s hero, Chairman Kim Jong Dan of Victoria, Australia.

251555 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #7 of 1903 🔗

Yes.. agreed.. just like the Bolsheviks were with their Russian Revolution. The usual suspects were funding it and then pulled the rug when things quite go to plan. Bankers eh!.. who’d have em..

251307 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #8 of 1903 🔗

If writing to an MP, stick to the facts of what has been done and the implications for physical, mental, economic and social health.
Demand a change of course, but avoid triggers like “Reset” etc which might be counterproductive.

Keep it polite; keep it brief – better two shorter, narrowly focussed letters than one long rambling one.
Address the recipient correctly. Each MP’s preferred form of address is given as part of their contact information at https://members.parliament.uk/members/Commons

I was advised by one of my family who has to deal with MPs in a professional capacity to type a letter, print it, manually write the salutation “Dear <name>” , sign it, then scan and email (or post) it.
That’s the ideal – more work, but it’s the preferred standard.
It’s been working for me – so far.

251824 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #9 of 1903 🔗

Good advice.

Lengthy ranting is a waste of breath, time and energy.

The problem that I find is that MPs are so sucked into the narrative that unpicking their assumptions is difficult in a short space.

252626 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #10 of 1903 🔗

but the world economic forum call it The great Reset
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

251321 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #11 of 1903 🔗

MPs don’t work for us. They naively believe they’ve been promised a seat at the World Economic Forum’s table (they haven’t)

252296 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ben, #12 of 1903 🔗

No, they’ll possibly pick up a few crumbs, but then they’ll be down and out just like the rest of us (if they have their way, which they won’t)

251381 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #13 of 1903 🔗

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/17/latest-news-196/#comment-250767&nbsp ;

A cartel monopolism has corrupted capitalism from the outset. It is a kind of corporate socialism that is overtly associated with Fascism, but can and does operate any and many faces or fronts – such as to exercise controlling interests through any and every vector of influence.
Part of its ability to set up polarised narrative identities, is the funding, and promoting of its own ‘opposition’.
Thus arenas of contained or open conflict feed a hidden third party.
The underlying pattern of such corruption is within us, even if manifesting as a world to which we are subjected.
The masking of grievance coupled in fear of pain of loss, presents the face of control, set in the judgements from which an identity is maintained.

To suppress corruption at the level of symptoms without addressing the underlying causes within us, is to persist in masking corruption in ever more insidious deceits of control – such as ‘the great reset’.

Corruption is firstly a false currency of identification. Evil is derivative.
The quickness to first accuse in the other, or to pre-empt their own frame of defence is a ‘woke’ facade of fear and guilt driven grievance that has all the power given it by fear, guilt and vengeance.
But awakening is the gift of noticing within the moment of the gift of a freely and naturally or spontaneously shared existence, and no personal claim at all.
The willingness to align in the grace of our being has to be desired despite the lock-down to a fear-defined sense of personal claim set over and against a life betrayed under self-illusory deceits – given priority.

My token MP would not see or read anything addressed him, nor grasp this if he did, but I can expand my sense of natural desire to root for his waking up to his true need in the way that he can begin to recognise, despite the seemingly overwhelming and inescapable sense of self, life and world that locks him in a masking necessity of conformity and compliance – even to lose the little that he hath.

However, what you write from your heart – you are extending as a gift of witness and communication regardless whether another accepts the gift now or later. What we give we strengthen in our selves. What we choose NOT to give, fades from non use. The idea of communication as leverage and weapon turns our own mind against itself (us). And so I write this in the spirit of a gift shared, to your freedom to alight in what resonates true for where you are now and what is relevant for who you are accepting yourself to be.

There is a ‘reset’ underway that the woke mask seeks to usurp and control.
Self-illusion yields to truth as a result of its own internal conflicts going forth and multiplying to the point of insanity and collapse. In which case we will not do more than persist the same themes under magical ‘redefinitions’ of leveraged ‘incentive’ unless we uncover them to a true resolution in the foundation of our being – which is a gift that knows itself in the sharing and cannot see in the idea of possession and control taken for a self set over and apart in judgement.

251574 ▶▶▶▶ James, replying to Binra, #14 of 1903 🔗

Hi Binra

You are obviously a CIM advocate. I would like to talk to you about this perspective. Can you email me please: jclfind@mac.com

251584 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Binra, 4, #15 of 1903 🔗

Good afternoon Binra.

‘What we give we strengthen in our selves. What we choose NOT to give, fades from non use.’ This is lovely.

252321 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Alethea, #16 of 1903 🔗

It is. Thanks

251820 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #17 of 1903 🔗

Dear Barney

** Denmark Says NO To Lockdown Law & Government Relent #PeoplePower **

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zadErfQ2pMY

252628 ▶▶ sam, replying to Barney McGrew, #18 of 1903 🔗

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4436
Spending the equivalent of 77% of the NHS annual revenue budget on an unevaluated underdesigned national programme leading to a regressive, insufficiently supported intervention—in many cases for the wrong people—cannot be defended. The experience of the National Screening Committee and National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) tells us that allowing testing programmes to drift into use without the right system in place leads to a mess, and the more resources invested the bigger the mess.

250766 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 10, #19 of 1903 🔗

and top of the morning to you too.
From a lovely sunny Thailand

252627 ▶▶ sam, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #20 of 1903 🔗

but what will Thailand do without the tourists? Does its government buy into the great Reset or is it beginning to wake up?

250769 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #21 of 1903 🔗

Good morning to you Barney 👸 🥜 🥜

New face mask that kills 90% of the Covid could be available by December.

The anti viral face cover features a fluid repellent outer layer which

“reduces the inhalation of droplets”( 🤔 ).

There is also a copper lining which kills the virus if it comes into contact with it.

‘When will it be available to the buy (sic)?’
The masks go into production in late November and will be commercially available (£1.00 each) in December.

Brought to us by Dr Gareth Cave who is a nanotechnology expert and scientist at Nottingham Trent University.

Oh, and they also kill off 90% of the flu. Isn’t technology marvellous.

H/T ITV online >central>health>coronovirus.

250785 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 21, #22 of 1903 🔗

A fluid repellent outer layer that inhibits the inhalation of droplets?
Droplets coming from another person, then.
But zombies wear the current face nappies so that their droplets can’t get out and travel to other people.
Obviously they are wasting their time – as if we didn’t know.
Copper, BTW, is toxic at more than minimal levels in the human body. I don’t know if having it clamped over your mouth and nose is a good idea or not.

250790 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #23 of 1903 🔗

Hence the quotation marks and ( 🤔 ) Annie.

250817 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #24 of 1903 🔗

Yuk, indeed.

251372 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to annie, 1, #25 of 1903 🔗

Let’s guess ”not” to be on the safe side.

250787 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 38, #26 of 1903 🔗

They’ve stubbornly ignored my patent for a facemask that will actually prevent infection, using a simple impregnation with napalm and a free lighter with every mask.

250789 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to karenovirus, 22, #27 of 1903 🔗

Is this not a backhanded way of confirming that masks don’t work?

DO NOT COVER YOUR SOURCE OF OXYGEN!

251377 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to TheBigman, 6, #28 of 1903 🔗

I wonder if people muzzled up to the eyeballs in the open air ever consider that people with respiratory problems are given oxygen.

250832 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to karenovirus, 33, #29 of 1903 🔗

Nature got there first.
Silk is hydrophobic and contains copper, to stop the baby silk worm from getting diseased and going mouldy.
Silk has also been used for sutures, as it eventually dissolves in the body. By contrast, cotton absorbs moisture and grows fungi, and as for microplastics, inhaling these is not good for you long term.
Moral – the Government should issue us all with free Hermes scarves, which would be much cheaper than the current measures.

250851 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 4, #30 of 1903 🔗

The Egyptians knew a thing or two about the medical efficacy of copper but I don’t recall if it’s effective against virus, bacteria or both.

251236 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 5, #31 of 1903 🔗

Like the copper doorknobs in hospitals that were replaced with stainless steel ones.

251700 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #32 of 1903 🔗

And cruise ships.

250864 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 22, #33 of 1903 🔗

So, after all these months I’ve been inveighing against the mask law, it seems there really is a way to persuade me to accept the barmy practice with enthusiasm! Yes, kindly deliver my state-issue Hermes scarf. I’ll have the Jardins de Soie Shawl 140 in vert/rose/blanc (£880), please.

She had won the victory over herself. She loved Matt Hancock.

251178 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Alethea, 4, #34 of 1903 🔗

Can I have my tax payer funded face covering in the form of a full set of shirts, underwear, pyjamas and bedding, please?

Still not going to put it over my face, though.

251873 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 4, #35 of 1903 🔗

Fie upon thee, selling thy soul to an Rsoul for a silk scarf!
Actually £880 per head would be a bargain, compared with the billions squandered on useless testing.

251795 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #36 of 1903 🔗

Well, the old champagne socialists used to say that under communism, every car would be a Rolls Royce. Looks like every scarf will be a Hermes scarf as well!

250849 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to karenovirus, 9, #37 of 1903 🔗

There is no virus

251239 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddy, #38 of 1903 🔗

There is – but the hype is infinitely more dangerous.

251265 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #39 of 1903 🔗

How do you know there is a virus, where’s your proof or is it just belief?

251428 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Eddy, 2, #40 of 1903 🔗

You may be better to use terrain theory to contextualise what you may believe you are saying but which will not be received.

Psycho-pathological anthropomorphism is the miraculous capacity of mind-extending or projecting meanings – that are self-attacking contradictory or insane, as a means to construct a world from doublethink as if a unity – set in and of itself – rather than inhering or inheriting its qualities directly – or miraculously – as in unself-conscious joy that need take no thought for itself.

The mind-virus underpins the way we see ourselves, each other and our world.
Interpreting all things to a dogmatically held masking narrative by which we think to aggrandise, save or protect our ‘self’.

This is obvious to that the humans are the virus being ‘controlled’ – and inducement to fear and guilt is the underling directive backed by coercion and threat, under masking in ‘concern’ that conceal an immediate outrage if openly challenged.
The love that turns to hate is not love, but the masking over a hate that cannot abide itself.
I will not say there is no hate, toxic thinking or evil, but that these are derivatives of a profound mis-identification, running headless – or rather running ahead without any real relational connection to its terrain – and therefore pathological or limiting and destructive to life.

The belief that any virus is in and of itself ’cause’ is false.
But as a cover story or mask over toxic debt is deemed too big to fail and so is always fed with more sacrifice rather than released to allow a true re-evaluation.
Our model or narrative filters, distorts or determines what we perceive and sets the range of our response.

251601 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Binra, 5, #41 of 1903 🔗

‘The love that turns to hate is not love, but the masking over a hate that cannot abide itself.’ As when the covid zealots issue fluffy injunctions to ‘be kind’ before trying to force a mask over my face by law and shouting at me in public when I don’t comply.

250873 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 7, #42 of 1903 🔗

There is also a copper lining which kills the virus if it comes into contact with it.

The virus isn’t alive. One cannot kill something that is not alive.

250958 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #43 of 1903 🔗

Don’t shoot the messenger please Steve. 😉

251129 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #44 of 1903 🔗

OK, I think “ destroys the virus” would be a better phrasing.

250770 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 55, #45 of 1903 🔗

Apartheid Britain

“Please pay at the window if you don’t have a face covering”

Shame on you (major supermarket petrol station). The blurry bit in the attached image explains that face coverings are mandatory unless you are exempt or have reasonable excuse not to.

Naturally I ignored this demand to be a second class citizen and the staff couldn’t care less.

250772 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 19, #46 of 1903 🔗

Good for you. Maybe it’s time to boycott this gas station?

250778 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Judy Watson, 15, #47 of 1903 🔗

Maybe it’s time to stop calling them ‘gas’ stations…

250784 ▶▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to TheBigman, 19, #48 of 1903 🔗

Well, an American would say ‘gas station’, whereas I would probably just say ‘garage’. So what though? Here’s a good book on British and American English variants, beautifully written, and one which explodes a lot of myths: http://www.theprodigaltongue.com

250791 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cambridge N, 14, #49 of 1903 🔗

From the marvellous etymonline.com:

gasoline (n.)
“light, volatile liquid obtained from distillation of petroleum,” 1864, a variant of gasolene (from 1863 in Britain), which apparently was a trade name at first, from gas (n.1) in its then-popular loose sense of “compound of gases used for illuminating and heating purposes;”

So the British used it first. Frankly, if manoeuvre turned to maneuver and fulfil to fulfill, overnight, I couldn’t care less. Freedom is more important than supposed purity of spelling.

250796 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #50 of 1903 🔗

Nice find. Thanks for the terrific link! The vocabulary between the two great variants seems to differ more than average in the area of transport. My American relatives smile at my use of ‘bonnet’, for example.

250815 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cambridge N, 15, #51 of 1903 🔗

My American friend didn’t know what a ‘lorry’ was.
You’ve got to forgive them: they are only ex-colonials.

My driving instructor always used the word ‘gas’ because it took less time to say, and fast reactions were of the essence when teaching somebody like me to handle a potentially lethal machine.

251607 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #52 of 1903 🔗

The problem with using “gas” to mean motor fuel is that it’s inconsistent with the long-established terminology of solid, liquid, gas for the three phases of matter.

251709 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to Edward, 8, #53 of 1903 🔗

The problem with using ‘garage’ to mean a place that sells petrol is that it’s inconsistent with the long-established meaning “A building or indoor space in which to park or keep a motor vehicle”.

How do the British manage not to get completely mixed up, and confuse one with the other, going out to look for petrol in their garages?

250944 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Cambridge N, 5, #54 of 1903 🔗

Thanks, looks good, on the Christmas list

250974 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to kf99, 5, #55 of 1903 🔗

I thought so, there are a lot of books out there on ‘popular linguistics’, and an awful lot of them are pretty dire. This one struck me as an exception. (BTW I am not on any commission from the author! LOL).

250821 ▶▶ anon, replying to karenovirus, #56 of 1903 🔗

which supermarket?

250859 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 3, #57 of 1903 🔗

Another one with a death wish.

Boycott!

251182 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #58 of 1903 🔗

My local Shell garage has had the same sign up since masks were made “mandatory”. I’ve never seen anyone pay it the slightest heed.

251273 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 3, #59 of 1903 🔗

Do they want the money or don’t they?

251878 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rowan, 1, #60 of 1903 🔗

You get the petrol before they get the money.

251499 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to karenovirus, 8, #61 of 1903 🔗

more about arse-covering than face-covering

251812 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to TyRade, 8, #62 of 1903 🔗

That would make a good sign. ‘Help us cover our arses by covering your faces. Thank you.’

250771 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 16, #63 of 1903 🔗

I always said and still maintain that Sweden got it right. Time will prove them right.

250792 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, 8, #64 of 1903 🔗

They did, but as I said before they got it right mostly by accident. It now seems that the Social Democrat blob is reverting to type.

251275 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #65 of 1903 🔗

And we got it wrong deliberately.

251526 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Rowan, #66 of 1903 🔗

Yes

252479 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #67 of 1903 🔗

Do you think their new zeal for lockdowns is connected to the fact that Amazon Sweden was launched less than a month ago? Amazon must make a lot of money from lockdowns.

250774 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 104, #68 of 1903 🔗

Can everyone confirm that I’m not mad?

Am I right in thinking that the fundamental issue is that this virus just isn’t that serious?

250776 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ed Phillips, 60, #69 of 1903 🔗

I say no. I think the fundamental issue is that serious or not, the way to deal with the virus was not to shut down the world and destroy the economy.

250779 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Barney McGrew, 28, #70 of 1903 🔗

Of course, but to do it for this one is even more crazy.

251283 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #71 of 1903 🔗

Unless you are an ardent depopulationist à la Bill Gates or Klaus Schwab.

251491 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Barney McGrew, 17, #72 of 1903 🔗

I think the fundamental issue is whether the state has the right to over ride peoples ability to make their own judgements. All the rest of the evils follow from this with no limit in sight…eg possible forced vaccinations etc.

252081 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #73 of 1903 🔗

The virus is clearly no more serious than seasonal flu. Also the death toll put down to Cocid-19 has been rigged from day one. Now why would they want that? It’s not just about wasting millions on useless tests and dodgy tests and thee is clearly a much bigger agenda at work. The Great Reset is simply another name for Depopulation.

250777 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, 49, #74 of 1903 🔗

Unless you are over 80 and at deaths door already you have a much greater chance of dying in a road traffic accident.

250782 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Ed Phillips, 37, #75 of 1903 🔗

Correct, you are not mad and there are many people who will agree with you. As a later post says if you are over 80 then you may have a cause to be worried.

Apparently here in Thailand we have had 60 deaths so far from Covid-19. That is the average death toll on the roads PER DAY – it was 73 in one day last week.

250795 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, 27, #76 of 1903 🔗

Covid has irrefutably saved lives in Thailand. Nationwide road deaths during Songkran average 350. Songkran was cancelled. So it saved about 300 lives.
On the other hand, of course, the number of excess deaths from people being driven into poverty will dwarf that figure.

250881 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #77 of 1903 🔗

Well that wasn’t what they intended – maybe someone should draw that to their attention – they’ve accidentally stopped de-populating the planet!

251294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CGL, 8, #78 of 1903 🔗

The vaccines are intended to fix that oversight.

251290 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Judy Watson, 9, #79 of 1903 🔗

If you are over 80, then you are on the last bus anyway, so why worry about the ephemeral coronavirus, which is less lethal than flu.

251733 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rowan, 21, #80 of 1903 🔗

I know several over-80s – and no, they’re NOT afraid of the virus. (Especially the ones who are still playing tennis and cycling every day.) They ARE afraid of the last bit of their lives being blighted by this disgraceful bunch of self-serving, smug b*ggers who ”rule” us. They’re afraid of separation from their families, either through illness or just ”rules”. THAT’s what scares them.

I doubt very much if there are many grannies who’d mind being killed by their families if it meant they could be with them in their final days.

252061 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Banjones, 4, #81 of 1903 🔗

Yes indeed, to all of that.

252312 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Banjones, 6, #82 of 1903 🔗

I know of a family of smug b*ggers who love Boris Johnson and who endorse lockdowns but who have consistently broken lockdown rules from the beginning. They see no irony.

What’s the betting that the pro-lockdown TV celebs, politicians, police who’ve arrested the unmasked, journalists and Piers Morgan break the rules at Christmas

250793 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ed Phillips, 23, #83 of 1903 🔗

I agree with you. And I think that issue was swamped a long time ago by all the secondary discussions. Even the most sceptical commentators slip in qualifiers about “of course this is a deadly virus”. The discourse has been distorted beyond repair.

250808 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #84 of 1903 🔗

I expect that Galileo felt it necessary to Praise the Lord before expounding his heretical beliefs.

250993 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #85 of 1903 🔗

These are the “facts” that Obama was wittering on about the other day.

251297 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, 6, #86 of 1903 🔗

Does anyone listen to Obama?

250811 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ed Phillips, 28, #87 of 1903 🔗

You, me and all sceptics are sane, but the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

250812 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 11, #88 of 1903 🔗

Asking that question is proof of your sanity.

250824 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ed Phillips, 13, #89 of 1903 🔗

You’re not mad, it’s all the other buggers who are.

250825 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Ed Phillips, 15, #90 of 1903 🔗

But it’s not about the virus

250830 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to 6097 Smith W, 15, #91 of 1903 🔗

Of course. Which makes lip service to the stupid rules a collaboration with evil?

250870 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ed Phillips, 42, #92 of 1903 🔗

Yep, but the moment you question it, you get the accusations thrown at you of ‘granny killing’, ‘conspiracy theorist’ and told that you should go on the frontline etc. Perhaps we should be focussing on the destruction of civil liberties, freedom of speech and the decimation of or economic and social structure. How people cannot see this still staggers me beyond belief.

250926 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #93 of 1903 🔗

Interesting flag you’re waving. What’s the bit in the middle – the Isle of Man?

250973 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 39, #94 of 1903 🔗

The REAL virus is HUMAN FEAR. Look at the hideous ways in which virusphobic people are wishing harm On those of us who tell the truth. “Hope you get it and don’t get a ventilator”, “when you kill your grandparents maybe you’ll be sorry”, “wear a fucking mask, stupid”… all REAL quotes on social media. Frightened people pose the greatest threat to us right now. Too frightened to open their eyes and ears to the truth. Fear of others. That is what has led to every war in human history. History repeats itself. Again and again and again. We are at the start of WW3. Without a doubt.

252192 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #95 of 1903 🔗

It’s funny how people who are spreading the fear, like Neil Ferguson have broken the rules to meet their married lover

Pro-lockdowners are some of the biggest hypocrites

251166 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Ed Phillips, 12, #96 of 1903 🔗

2020 sanity test:

Shrink : (Places hacksaw in front of patient) “CUT YOUR ARM OFF NOW”

Patient : No!

Shrink : You did not follow orders, you are insane.

251599 ▶▶ chris, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #97 of 1903 🔗

I think you’re right that the virus is no worse than many other flu viruses BUT the shocking level of wasteful spending is serious.

77% of annual NHS budget (approx £100B) will be wasted over Xmas in (so called) testing using unsuitable methods. Just to generate false positives!

But worse, will our country be able to fund the NHS, the armed forces, schools etc in prospect of future annual false pandemics? When will the credit card be maxxed?

251683 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ed Phillips, 9, #98 of 1903 🔗

Research The Great Reset, Bill Gates, China’s social credit system.. And it will all begin to make terrible sense – unfortunately

252070 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 4, #99 of 1903 🔗

If people don’t know by now, that Bill Gates is at the very heart of the Covid fiasco, then just what have they been doing all their lives?

251739 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #100 of 1903 🔗

From the number of up-votes you got for that question, I’d guess that just about everyone here is with you!

250775 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 22, #101 of 1903 🔗

From Toby’s piece about students away at University testing positive but being included in their hometown cases.

About a month ago there were widespread revelations that students were being included in both their home town and at their university location so each positive student counted as two cases.

250829 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to karenovirus, 12, #102 of 1903 🔗

Double plus good!

250831 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 11, #103 of 1903 🔗

I think we can be certain that the “cases” recorded at home won’t have been deducted, they will just have been double counted. It does provide further evidence that London has achieved effective community immunity though which is a positive.

250893 ▶▶ steph, replying to karenovirus, 4, #104 of 1903 🔗

A bit like them being registered to vote at home and the university. Back when he was at university, the whole cohort were registered by the university without any action on the part of the student. He was never that politically motivated but being so close to home he could easily have managed 2 votes in one day.

251304 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steph, #105 of 1903 🔗

I did that once. Travelling from home in Yorkshire back to Uni in Reading! Voted in both places. Heh heh!

250903 ▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 3, #106 of 1903 🔗

weekly emails from local council would provide counts of “infections” and would specifically mention the numbers attributed to students who lived in the area, who had been tested away at university, which were included in the local totals

251025 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 5, #107 of 1903 🔗

I asked my local council covid advisory panel medical twat about students being counted twice when away at university.
Cases in our area in the 16-25 age group was the highest in the area over the last few months which was…. weird not surprising.
I am not at all sure I will get an answer but perhaps I rattled a tree with my questions and just perhaps one of them picked up the big red telephone and got those student counts looked at properly.
They are idiots mind you, that is clear.

250781 annie, replying to annie, 14, #108 of 1903 🔗

Something else about the Schlieffen Plan.
It coldly and deliberately envisaged the violation of Belgian neutrality, which Prussia, the forerunner state of Germany, had undertaken to respect under the 1839 Treaty of London.
In 1914, Belgium was invaded and occupied. The invasion force was instructed to treat the population with atrocious brutality in order to induce terror and eliminate resistance.
Germany was obsessed by an unfounded fear of. ‘encirclement’ and was determined to get its retaliation in first.
Bad faith, deceit, cruelty, panic: Wancock and his gang would have felt quite at home in 1914 Germany, though not quite so much in their element as in 1939 Germany.

250797 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 4, #109 of 1903 🔗

Encirclement is always a danger for Germany. Bismarck spent twenty years pursuing unification while avoiding it, with brilliant deviousness in diplomacy. Once the pilot was dropped, arrogance ruled the day.

250863 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #110 of 1903 🔗

That’s right and Bismarck knew that France would do its utmost to exact revenge and regain Alsace-Lorraine. That’s why he built alliances such as the Three Emperors’ League and one with the Austro-Hungarian empire to neutralise the French threat. Of course it also benefited him too that Britain was engaged in a policy of “splendid isolation”

251146 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #111 of 1903 🔗

IIRC Bismarck wanted to let France keep Alsace-Lorraine (because he knew taking it would make France a long-term enemy of Germany) but was overruled by a Kaiser anxious to please jingoistic public opinion.

Austria-Hungary was actually part of the Three Emperors’ League, but that alliance fell apart when Austria-Hungary and Russia came into conflict over the Balkans.

251201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GCarty80, 1, #112 of 1903 🔗

Looks like Bismarck was right. There was a monument in France that was draped in black after the Franco-Prussian War owing to the loss of Alsace-Lorraine and it only came down when the two provinces again became part of France in 1919.

As for the second bit, that’s what I was going to say but don’t why it came out the way I typed it. DOH!!!

250800 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 8, #113 of 1903 🔗

The observation by Guy de la Bedoyere about the need of the Germans to follow the Schleiffen Plan being comparable to the overeaction to covid by governments throughout the world follows the wonderful and erudite A.J.P. Taylor in the 1970s.

He goes further back (on topic still), it was the pre-planning by all the major powers and in particular the reliance on the technology of the time particularly railways that made avoiding general war impossible even before the war had begun.

The parallel between pre covid ‘Pandemic Planning causing disproportionate lockdowns and the Army mobilizations in 1914 causing WW1 could not be clearer.

Youtuber Major Esterhazy

The Outbreak of the The First World War
A.J.P. Taylor How Wars Begin 1977.

30 mins, the relevant stuff starts after ten minutes.

Further to Annie’s remarks about the atrocities committed by the Germans while undeniably true the authorities on all sides initiated psy ops on their populations based on ever more lurid claims of atrocities committed by their enemies.

Historians like to blame Nationalism for WW1 in fact it was those same Psy Ops that whipped up nationalist outrage as a result of war, not its cause.
Another Covid lockdown parallel.

250809 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #114 of 1903 🔗

You’re right about the lurid claims. But the German atrocities were real.

Germany invaded neutral Belgium on 4 August 1914 . From the next day, civilians were executed en masse, as the invasion force advanced on its first obstacle, the ring of forts around Liège. To retaliate for the shelling from these forts, the German troops rounded up inhabitants of surrounding villages. Victims were selected and shot, those still alive being killed off with bayonets. By 8 August, nearly 850 civilians were dead. By then, several of the dynamics of this particular type of violence had fully emerged. First, the massacres occurred where the invading army suffered setbacks; the German military did not consider Belgium’s military defence to be legitimate. Second, the victims were accused, incorrectly, of being franc-tireurs (civilian snipers). Most of the German rank and file genuinely believed that the locals were attacking them; this sniper delusion was sometimes countered by the commanding officers, sometimes not. Third, there were women, children and old men among the victims but the vast majority were men of military age. These were more likely to be suspected of sniping; moreover, the invading troops resented them for still enjoying the civilian life that they themselves had so recently been torn from. Fourth, and last, the massacres went together with rituals designed to show civilians how helpless they were. People were made to cheer the troops; local dignitaries (mayors, priests) were publicly mistreated, in some cases killed.

https://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/civilian-atrocities-german-1914

LD folk will draw parallels.

251032 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #115 of 1903 🔗

very scary indeed

251049 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #116 of 1903 🔗

Edward Bernays had been perfecting mass marketing brainwashing in about 1910. He was known for persuading women to smoke cigarettes in huge numbers by selling them as “freedom torches” and how they were a signal of the emancipation of women.

This new fangled propaganda tool, or using the new mass media (cinema) and magazines presented the opportunity to roll out mass brainwashing.

I guess because it was brand new, an unknown force and applied with brutish clumsiness it is why WW1 and WW2 resulted in the anti-human carnage that ensued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

251548 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, #117 of 1903 🔗

Well the Assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was not the cause. That was on the front page of UK papers for one day, day two it was the inside pages and by day 3 it had gone.

It was the planning that caused WW1 and it was the planning that created lockdown.

251837 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #118 of 1903 🔗

I like the WW1 analogies but I think what we have now is more like 1917 than 1914. It’s grinding on and and on into lunacy, but those in power won’t stop because they can’t back down and there are too many vested interests involved, either wanting to make money or use the war to force societal change. Remember that the poet Siegfried Sassoon, one of the few high-profile soldiers to speak out against the war, was persuaded to commit himself to a mental institution to avoid court-martial.

252680 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cranmer, 1, #119 of 1903 🔗

Very quickly the War Aim of all the powers became the same.

To not lose.

As has been said above, the aim of the lockdown merchants is simply to not lose face.

250783 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 24, #120 of 1903 🔗

MPs are demanding children are excluded so traditional family Christmases can go ahead”

tl;dr – MPs continue to fiddle about while Rome burns.

250786 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #121 of 1903 🔗

Exclude children, enjoy Christmas…

250802 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #122 of 1903 🔗

He meant excluded from the ludicrous Rule Of 6 I expect.

250807 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #123 of 1903 🔗

Sure, only joking.

251001 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to annie, #124 of 1903 🔗

Hahahaha!!

250816 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #125 of 1903 🔗

100% right. It’s not a traditional Christmas in my house if you have to limit it to six adults!

250840 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #126 of 1903 🔗

It has always been the plan to exclude children from the rule of six. The only question is when to announce it for maximum political benefit.

250788 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 38, #127 of 1903 🔗

So. In today’s list of pieces we have had news of a new ‘hate speech’ law (just call it censorship) being proposed in England with a penalty of 7 years in jail. Funny, Scotland were also pushing for the same thing, coincidence? I don’t think so. I wonder what else they will be trying to sneak in while everyone is focused on the flu…sorry ‘covid19`!

Then we hear of AI dealing with vaccine issues, not good and AI is routinely warned against and for good reason.

Slowly like the frog in increasingly hot water we are being herded towards our collective demise.

What worries me more is the likes of JHB etc being pro-vaccine for covid as if it undoes allll the many issues that we have experienced since this overblown farce came into public consciousness.

Why is the focus not on the recovery from the deliberate devastation we have been put in. Where is the chat about that? Talking about cases etc is exactly what the govt wants us to do as it distracts us from the real issues.

Let us call it for what it is, covid19 is about as dangerous as the flu. I’m sure many being tested positive is for this reason. Other coronavirus are not being tracked in the same way so who is to say that isn’t ehat we are picking up.

NO MASKS, NO LOCKDOWNS!

250803 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 9, #128 of 1903 🔗

Perhaps the Covid Recovery Group would be better called the Lockdown Recovery Group.

251330 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #129 of 1903 🔗

Definitely!

250874 ▶▶ Beowa, replying to TheBigman, 9, #130 of 1903 🔗

AI or artificial intelligence is a phrase like algorithm much bandied about by people who

A) Have never had to specify or create a decision tree for a program or suite of programs
B) Wish to hide the fact that ALL these decisions are made by human beings usually with an agenda

250794 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 25, #131 of 1903 🔗

If anyone is wondering why Sweden is now introducing ‘measures’ similar to that of other countries need to look hard in the mirror and realise that all of this is a plan. One by one we will all fall in line as we are collectively weak and won’t do anything as long as we think it will mean we are left alone.

The human condition is to adapt, it also that condition that will lead to our collective demise, ‘they’ know it. We’re too bothered by what’s on social media to care.

Don’t start moaning when it’s all taken away and even posts like this will come with repurcussions for ‘violations’.
Gulags aren’t required in a digital age.

250867 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to TheBigman, 3, #132 of 1903 🔗

The inner skeptic in me as always wondered whether Sweden was “allowed” to follow Anders Tegnell’s logical plan for the reason that a minimal amount of research would have shown that the casualties from any respiratory illness was always going to be much higher than it’s Nordic neighbours and would hence give credibility to the assertion that Lockdowns work. Even before the LD in March when cases were already much higher in Sweden, it was known that the previous season had seen very low flu casualties (dry tinder) and the pollution maps, the huge nursing homes and other factors could have predicted the higher death rates with some certainty.

250912 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Van Allen, 9, #133 of 1903 🔗

Alternatively maybe Swedish politicians are subject to the same pressures as leaders everywhere else, and Swedish people are susceptible to panic, and irrational fear/obsession that “something must be done”, and their media like a good doom story.

251003 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 7, #134 of 1903 🔗

I agree. This change signifies a move away from a reasonable scientific approach to a political one. Whether that’s because of pressure on politicians from without or within It can only go downhill from there with masks, etc. an inevitability.

251237 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Achilles, 6, #135 of 1903 🔗

Yes this. The politicians have now taken over and is a perfect example of why politicians shouldn’t get involved in things they know very little about. This whole thing has been political everywhere else and Sweden is bowing to the international pressure of ‘being on the right side’. They are probably worried about Swedens international reputation and probably been lent on by powerful forces or interests who are threatening (already started) to ruin that reputation for them.

251344 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jamie, 1, #136 of 1903 🔗

Probably economic vulnerability made evident.

251341 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, 5, #137 of 1903 🔗

The WHO u-turn on face nappies was a response to political pressure. Who’s pulling the political strings ……….?

251022 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 6, #138 of 1903 🔗

Cases cases everywhere.

The problem is always the PCR casedemic and the shared view among ill informed ministers across Europe that it has any basis in reality. The fear agenda relies on it and it seems to be a drag net on such weak individuals.

251346 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 6, #139 of 1903 🔗

Bribes, blackmail or coercion more like. The destruction of the economy that’s happening globally will harm and kill millions for generations to come

I can’t believe that all politicians want to do this, because history will hold them responsible

251150 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Van Allen, 1, #140 of 1903 🔗

Why did the Nordic countries other than Sweden do so much better than the countries of core Europe (even Germany), even though they didn’t lock down to the same degree?

252607 ▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Van Allen, 1, #141 of 1903 🔗

It’s also possible that just by chance they had picked a health minister who was a thoughtful adult instead of another monstrous politico-administrative type.

251156 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to TheBigman, 2, #142 of 1903 🔗

I think Sweden’s change of heart is more down to the belief that we’re now only a few months away from a vaccine, and that the people and economy will tolerate a 6-month lockdown when they wouldn’t have tolerated a 14-month lockdown.

251337 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TheBigman, 8, #143 of 1903 🔗

I predicted this

I knew it would happen, because a global Covid Cabal is in charge. Governments are not in charge

Every country is under occupation

251714 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TheBigman, #144 of 1903 🔗

It’s because the Covid Cabal leaned on them. (The WEF, banks, UN, Pharma, Gates etc)

250798 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 26, #145 of 1903 🔗

Most prisoners sentenced by a court in the UK serve a third of their sentences

We have all been banged up for eight months now

That is the equivalent of being sent down for 2 years by a court

These length of sentences are usually reserved for serious offences such as grevious bodily harm

Might as well get hung for a sheep as for a lamb

We have nothing left to lose

250804 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 21, #146 of 1903 🔗

Prisoners still have Association and communal dining while many of the general population remain in solitary confinement.

251494 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Cecil B, 2, #147 of 1903 🔗

they could require us to be rogered in the showers… (in Tier 4 regs, I suspect)

250799 Cambridge N, replying to Cambridge N, 7, #148 of 1903 🔗

A while ago Toby or a colleague posted a whistleblower’s news about massive staff shortfalls in some NHS regions. This I think was down to the inadequacies of test and trace getting people to self-isolate in particular. This seemed like significant news. Has anyone got any updates?

250876 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cambridge N, 6, #149 of 1903 🔗

You can see the position of staff absences from the monthly downloadable NHS spreadsheet titled November 2020 COVID Publication (XLS, 9.6mb)which goes up to 4th November

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

Total NHS staff absences were levelling off at 4th November in the North West it appears at about 60% of the maximum staff absences in March/April so I’m guessing they are causing about the same level of issues.

Absences highest as a percentage of absences in the first wave in the North West and North East and Yorkshire so consistent with those reporting most covid+ deaths. Lower relative absences in other areas although increasing from these lower levels.

250900 ▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #150 of 1903 🔗

Thanks.

250936 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cambridge N, 5, #151 of 1903 🔗

The interesting one is that covid staff absences at 4th November were at about 40% of what they were in the first wave in the North West (which is consistent with covid+ deaths being about 40% of the first wave peak in the North West).

But TOTAL staff absences at 4th November were 60% of the first wave total staff absences peak (so higher than this 40%). This supports the theory which has some supporting anecdotal evidence also that some staff have been off sick in the Autumn for reasons of stress or because they didn’t want to be allocated to treat covid patients.

250966 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #152 of 1903 🔗

Looks like from your findings that it might be worth more digging by someone. It seems a significant phenomenon.

251118 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Cambridge N, 10, #153 of 1903 🔗

There is also the issue that, like Boris, many NHS have had the virus but are being required to ‘self isolate’ over and over again if a colleague or one of their children ‘tests positive’. Shortage of NHS staff is the main reason for the lockdown but government policy is causing it.

251355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Caroline Watson, 11, #154 of 1903 🔗

I’d say thatT&T policy is a big part of the problem.

Don’t forget also that the obese can self-certify themselves as vulnerable and skive off – and there’s a disproportionate number of fatties working in the NHS.

251225 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paul E, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #155 of 1903 🔗

In addition, those that have been working are being driven to the point of exhaustion on 12 hr shifts meaning some, and I mean some, are going ill due to stress or exhaustion. Lack of nursing capacity needs urgent investigation

251287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Paul E, 11, #156 of 1903 🔗

Totally agree that the lack of nursing capacity needs urgent attention, but we’ve known about this for years.

The main argument for these measures is that the NHS needs protecting, but as we know it’s been at full capacity nearly every winter, where has been the contingency planning and where is the criticism? We’ve lost our individual liberty for the sake of protecting the NHS, but there seems to be very little questioning of how we have arrived at this place.

Surely with the bare minimum of good management we wouldn’t have to ‘protect the NHS’

251643 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Paul E, 4, #157 of 1903 🔗

Shifts in hospital are normally 11-12 hrs. This means only one handover a day. It’s called a ‘Long Day’. Rotas usually avoid back to back shifts, but sometimes staff will volunteer to do one if another person calls in sick. Stress is caused by vacant posts not being filled as well as staff sickness.

251186 ▶▶ microdave, replying to Cambridge N, 6, #158 of 1903 🔗

I should have saved it, but a week or so back I spotted a Twatter post which said that in a particular area NHS staff deemed to be in the “At Risk” category were being sent home on indefinite leave until such time as a vaccine is available. It was pointed out that this meant the fatties (and, let’s face it, there are a LOT of them) and BAME employees are now sitting around on full pay, while the remaining staff are working their butts off. I’ve not seen this mentioned anywhere else, so it may be “Fake News”, but then again, it sounds entirely plausible for an organisation obsessed with political correctness and diversity issues…

251332 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to microdave, 1, #159 of 1903 🔗

In my area ‘at risk’ staff are redeployed to non covid/ICU wards. Only a minority are allowed to shield at home.

251370 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 2, #160 of 1903 🔗

Found this though:

How should vulnerable workers feature in return to work risk assessments?

 Obesity
Businesses will need to include obesity when considering who may be at risk in your workplace and then undertake individual risk assessments for anyone in that group – particularly as they may have other underlying health conditions that you may not be aware of.
They will need to make sure that staff are aware of the steps that have been taken to protect them.
As part of this exercise, employers could list the categories of people in the vulnerable group and explain that current advice is that they can return to work (if they can’t work from home) and ask them to contact HR so that it can consider their individual circumstances before a decision about whether it’s safe for them to do so is reached.
We recommend that employers include links to the NHS BMI calculator to help your staff determine if they are “very obese”.
Bear in mind that people who fall into this category may be reluctant to talk to their employer about it. If you believe that a member of staff is very obese, businesses may – depending on the nature of their work – ask staff to work out their BMI and inform HR if it’s 40 or above. This will need to be extremely tactful, but employers shouldn’t shy away from the conversation simply because it is a difficult one

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/bame-and-obese-workers-how-should-they-feature-in-return-to-work-risk-assessments/

252250 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #161 of 1903 🔗

Or they could insist that they lose weight……..!

252410 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #162 of 1903 🔗

Would that be discrimination, victimisation etc?

251426 ▶▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to karenovirus, 3, #163 of 1903 🔗

It may vary from trust to trust (and region to region)?

251357 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to microdave, 1, #164 of 1903 🔗

I’d seen it elsewhere. Sorry don’t know where ….

251423 ▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to microdave, 2, #165 of 1903 🔗

Good grief. It does have the ring of truth, unfortunately.

250801 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #166 of 1903 🔗

Is this really the appropriate time for the pig dictator and Princess nut nuts to jump ship and engage in a 14 day shagfest?

250805 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #167 of 1903 🔗

Won’t do as much harm as most things the PD does.

250806 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 15, #168 of 1903 🔗

Many wonder about their relationship. I think Littlejohn pointed out what many have always thought: he looks more than old enough to be her dad. The relationship just does not ring true. They are an odd couple. Too odd. The Conservative Woman suggests Boris is a damaged personality…

I just hope Graham Brady and co save us from this madness.

250814 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 4, #169 of 1903 🔗

Absolutely, I think that a 24 year difference is shall we say: “a bit weird”

250823 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #170 of 1903 🔗

His former wife has just had a book published about her mother’s life. Read an extract yesterday and it was fascinating.

How he must be rueing the day he traded her in.

250844 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 4, #171 of 1903 🔗

I think that family follow the old saying about the aristocracy: “They f××k all year and share the babbies (babies) out at Christmas.”

251162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #172 of 1903 🔗

😅

250871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #173 of 1903 🔗

What’s the title of the book? Johnson’s former father-in-law had an interesting life as as a foreign correspondent.

250878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #174 of 1903 🔗

Hi Bart, it’s The Lost Homestead: My Mother, Partition and the Punjab.

The excerpt I read yesterday was really delightful – an escape from the misery her ex is inflicting on us right now.

250887 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #175 of 1903 🔗

Fantastic. Will check it out.

251160 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to chaos, 4, #176 of 1903 🔗

Boris is a manchild and easily dominated, Princess nut nuts is his handler.

251205 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, #177 of 1903 🔗

The parallels between this and Harry & Meghan are eerie.

251374 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, 3, #178 of 1903 🔗

Is “damaged personality” politespeak for narcissistic sociopath?

250813 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 11, #179 of 1903 🔗

🐷 ❤ 👸 🥜 🥜

According to Littlejohn the last three emojis were used by Dom and wotsisname to indicate princess nut nut.

251155 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, #180 of 1903 🔗

Ugh. Mind bleach! 😩

250810 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 7, #181 of 1903 🔗

The news coming out of Sweden really is a new low. Even their PM’s rhetoric sounds depressingly familiar.

250977 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to mattghg, 2, #182 of 1903 🔗

External influences probably.

251866 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Censored Dog, 1, #183 of 1903 🔗

Sweden has a long history of neutrality. It’s possible that if globalist forces are running this pandemic, they made an initial show of respecting that neutrality, but now perhaps pressure is being applied against them, in the same way the Germans pressured them into allowing use of their railways to access Norway during WW2.

250818 TJN, replying to TJN, 35, #184 of 1903 🔗

Interesting how the BMJ is turning sceptical, or at least allowing sceptical views (and scathing ones at that).

I wonder if they would publish the Danish masks study?

250822 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 7, #185 of 1903 🔗

Twice in one week and Editorials to boot.

250845 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to TJN, 7, #186 of 1903 🔗

Yes, interesting editorial here:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425

As are the responses to that editorial:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425/rapid-responses

251009 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #187 of 1903 🔗

Brilliant responses, thanks for the link

251039 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #188 of 1903 🔗

Yes, good to see those responses thanks.

Hopefully this will encourage them in further editorials along these lines.

If that Danish masks study is technically any good, I imagine there will be huge kudos – when better times dawn – for the journal with the integrity to publish it.

252102 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #189 of 1903 🔗

Deep Blue – thank you for posting this. I was beginning to lose my mind… it appears there is hope.

250866 ▶▶ Richard, replying to TJN, 7, #190 of 1903 🔗

Am sure has nothing to do with the fact their members are first in the queue for the jab ! I would be seriously considering other career options right now…

251595 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to TJN, #191 of 1903 🔗

The NEJM says “hold my beer”. Excoriating

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812

252314 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to djaustin, 1, #192 of 1903 🔗

Thanks for the link – but the article rests largely on the premise that non-pharmaceutical interventions are effective, and are responsible for the containment of disease in places like China et al.

I don’t buy that, I’m afraid. A while ago on here there was a discussion on the proper mean of the phrase ‘begging the question’. The article is a good example of that proper meaning, I think.

250819 TJN, replying to TJN, 17, #193 of 1903 🔗

That photo at the top of today’s post is nauseating. One face indescribably pompous and ugly, the other thick, arrogant and vacant.

250837 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to TJN, 13, #194 of 1903 🔗

One is a pompous twit who’s so full of himself he literally can’t hear the chorus of murderous hatred that accompanies his every move.
And so is the other one.

250820 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 12, #195 of 1903 🔗

We all know that hancock is one of the most hated men in the country but, to be fair, he does keep a straight face peddling shite in interview after interview sometimes with hostile presenters.
Perhaps that’s why he’s still in the job.

250847 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to karenovirus, 9, #196 of 1903 🔗

And, for all Toby says that “yesterday was not a good day” for him, I think he will have gone to bed thinking that it was a very good day. Morgan, Hartley-Brewer, both had a go and he just dissembled and rode them out. It’s all he has to do and he knows it. The law, the “experts”, the “science”, the so-called polls, everything is on his side. It’s almost as if it’s all been set up so that the likes of him have lines they can throw back.

250854 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Now More Than Ever, 15, #197 of 1903 🔗

Sociopaths like Hancock will always assume that criticism reflects more on the critic than themselves. Even if the entire country got together and strung him up from a lamppost he’d still assume they were only doing it because they were gullible enough to have been talked into it by someone else.

250861 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andrew Fish, 9, #198 of 1903 🔗

He’d still be strung from the lamp post. That’s good enough for me.

250862 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to annie, 5, #199 of 1903 🔗

I’m beginning to think it’s our only option at this point.

250872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 3, #200 of 1903 🔗

Or shot. Either I suspect that he’s not going to meet a good end.

251231 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #201 of 1903 🔗

He deserves a bad ending, so do most of them in government.

251351 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #202 of 1903 🔗

Politicians’ smiles are duping delight

251040 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #203 of 1903 🔗

Yes…he sleeps like a baby. There will be no repercussions, no committee hearing, no investigations, he holds all the cards and he knows it. He could literally appear on the interview naked after a 6 days cocain binge and would be cool as as cucumber.. Like I said about 3 months ago ( oh my God I right again :-() he will probably be knighted for this . We are all in Lok Step going into the Great reset. Build, back, better !

250891 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to karenovirus, 5, #204 of 1903 🔗

Lying comes easily to him, some of his peers are more obviously uncomfortable defending the indefensible. Hancock will lie his way out of a corner with impunity, knowing even the more hostile interviews conducted by such as Morgan or Brewer, will stop short of really calling him out on the current subject.

250930 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to karenovirus, 2, #205 of 1903 🔗

A man too dense to understand he is to be the patsy.

250956 ▶▶ kf99, replying to karenovirus, 3, #206 of 1903 🔗

At least, unlike Sturgeon, he has to face hostile presenters. The real ‘disaster’ of devolution. I’m not sure if that’s what Johnson was getting at.

250827 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #207 of 1903 🔗

I have been thinking of SAGE’s role in this

I would expect either

1 – SAGE looks at covid evidence, supplies information to PM who in addition to other information makes policy decisions

2 – SAGE looks at all evidence (covid and lockdown) and makes policy recommendations

I think what has happened is that

3 – SAGE looks at one half only (covid whilst ignoring lockdown) then makes policy recommendations

But I want to know what was SAGEs official remit? 1 or 2? They can never have been set-up to do 3. So either they were set up catastrophically wrong or they have reinterpreted their scope.

If I was Boris I would ask SAGE what economic forecasts they have been using to gauge the effects of lockdown using their health economists. If they say they haven’t then disband them and set up a new SAGE with a remit of 1 or 2 above.

250895 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 4, #208 of 1903 🔗

SAGE does not consider the lockdown negative effects. Its focus is purely on the coronavirus. However, the government did get around to looking at wider effects of lockdown (after it had been implemented). https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/initial-estimates-of-excess-deaths-from-covid-19-8-april-2020
As you can see the government expects the lockdown to kill about two hundred thousand – although you have to add up totals.

251002 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #209 of 1903 🔗

SAGE does not consider the lockdown negative effects. Its focus is purely on the coronavirus. ”

then it should never make policy recommendations!

251011 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to steve_w, 4, #210 of 1903 🔗

And they certainly shouldn’t keep briefing the newspapers to try to bounce politicians into accepting them.

250937 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to steve_w, 3, #211 of 1903 🔗

SAGE only does the science bit, hence the name. The problem is the weight given to their advice. Whitty being Chief Medical Officer needed to balance science with economics because that’s his job – to assess harm in a broader sense. When he couldn’t do that he should have sought expert advice.

Sadly it appears the medical establishment seems to think “do no harm” only applies to medical care and patient wellbeing rather than the greater impact on societal and economic impacts.

We saw that with the Charlie Gard case. I’ve had arguments with the wife over that because she can’t see past the medical “do no harm” either. Perhaps it’s because my profession (physics/engineering) has the eternal stain of “Destroyer of Worlds” on it.

250997 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mhcp, #212 of 1903 🔗

The economic effect of lockdown on mortality is science

251410 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #213 of 1903 🔗

You mean “science” ?

251408 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, #214 of 1903 🔗

Surely, as an engineer, you have to test hypotheses before implementing them?

251080 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steve_w, 4, #215 of 1903 🔗

Sage members was set up and positioned over the last 5 or so years with Gates funding almost everybody in it in either by pouring cash into their companies or universities or paying them directly.
SAGE was set up to steer the UK into covid/vaccine/test n trace/ corona bollocks hell, to ensure the UK “did its bit” in the global COVID scam.

That’s what SAGE is for.

251354 ▶▶ Ben, replying to steve_w, 3, #216 of 1903 🔗

Children have killed themselves because of lockdown. In all seriousness SAGE have committed crimes against humanity. Those responsible need to face trial

251403 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, 2, #217 of 1903 🔗

Vallance said at the “grilling” that they hadn’t taken the economic aspects into account because that’s not their remit.

Sounds as if, ideally, Sage should have been balanced with another group of socio-economic experts.
However, the predominance of modellers, psy-op experts and people with vested interests suggests the composition is deliberate.

251444 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Tom Blackburn, #219 of 1903 🔗

I saw that earlier – so true.

250833 Will, replying to Will, 43, #220 of 1903 🔗

Tears yesterday as my 11 year old was forced into a pointless self isolation because someone in his class “tested positive”. He is lucky because he won’t miss out on six and a half days of education because his private school have such an exceptional online offering. How many state educated kids enjoy a full online education while they are self isolating? I suspect the answer is the square root of fuck all.

250855 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Will, 26, #221 of 1903 🔗

This is criminal. In fact what’s being done to children is criminal, had a chat with a friend the other day and she predicted that anxiety and OCD will rise among children exponentially when this is all over and you can guess what will happen as they grow older and that remains unchecked.

250880 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 27, #222 of 1903 🔗

Big Pharma will be rubbing it’s hands, just thinking of all the anti-anxiety and anti-depressants that will be being prescribed in future years to today’s children.

250883 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 11, #223 of 1903 🔗

That’s a good point, they’ll be drugged till kingdom come and it will be seen as an easy way out especially as therapy and counseling will be overstretched for years, even decades.

250892 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to JohnB, 7, #224 of 1903 🔗

They may not be as the drugs will probably come out of patent, however it does provide the impetus to create new drugs (probably by creating isomers of current drugs, giving them a new name and hence new patents). £££££

251137 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #225 of 1903 🔗

I am terrified of living, as a very old person, in a world run by today’s children and teenagers. Their mothers, particularly, are so brainwashed by government propaganda that they will never go out or take their muzzles off again.

I would like to see the children sent to boarding schools in the countryside with no television, lots of sport, outdoor activities, singing, the teaching of accurate biology, and other forbidden activities. Perhaps, then, we would have a future worth living for.

251451 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #226 of 1903 🔗

I know too many f*ed up people who went to boarding school!

And aren’t most of the Cabinet examples of boarding school products?

251899 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Caroline Watson, #227 of 1903 🔗

So would the kids.

251876 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #228 of 1903 🔗

A friend of mine spoke to a child psychologist because she is worried about her ten year old son – seems angry and withdrawn a lot of the time. The shrink said there has been a lot of this since Lockdown. Partly it’s the restriction on activities and partly the rise in computer addiction, which fries kids’ brains if they are on them for too long (and isn’t that good for us adults either!)

252046 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cranmer, 2, #229 of 1903 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me – they’re starved of face to face contact as well as just being normal kids which means being outside, playing with their peers, seeing their grandparents, getting dirty. Not being cooped up indoors, going to school in front of a computer screen, being sanitised from head to toe and being muzzled up.

250856 ▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 14, #230 of 1903 🔗

We all know the answer to that.
These poor kids, terrorised by zombie parents and zombie teachers, living on a perpetual go-home time bomb that can explode any second.
I’m so glad I don’t have descendants.

250886 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 9, #231 of 1903 🔗

Sadly agree with you on that. I see photos of my nieces muzzled and visored up and wonder what will happen to them.

I can imagine my sister invoking the Nuremberg excuse if and when her daughters go off the rails.

251251 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to annie, 6, #232 of 1903 🔗

I’m so glad I don’t have descendants

Likewise…

251263 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 6, #233 of 1903 🔗

Annie I count my blessings we had no children, a decision we had no part in making but is proving to be more of a silver lining on what was a black cloud.

250902 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Will, 4, #234 of 1903 🔗

The private schools have had to do this to survive. They were threatened by ( usually wealthy ) parents with withdrawn fees in the spring, so had to act very quickly.

One issue that isn’t being discussed is increased screen time. It should be

250915 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #235 of 1903 🔗

We all pay for education if we pay taxes. It’s just more obvious to the parent of a privately educated child when they are paying on top of this and getting nothing.
All parents should be kicking up whenever their child gets no education.
But then we should all be kicking up when we get no healthcare from the National Covid Service. That isn’t free either.

250925 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to steph, 7, #236 of 1903 🔗

Exactly. It should worry everyone that the services they pay for, are being reduced, or in some cases withheld.

251504 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #237 of 1903 🔗

Oh but there’s an emergency, a deadly pandemic!

250929 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to PoshPanic, 12, #238 of 1903 🔗

The headmaster of my calf’s (now ex-) private school is a rampant bedwetter, refusing even to permit mask exemptions. From what I can tell, the parents customers are no different. When the headmaster refused my calf access to remote learning as punishment for her refusal to wear a mask at school, we parted ways.

250945 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #239 of 1903 🔗

The mask issue is down to HSE advice and the teaching unions who are, unbelievably, active in private schools as well as the state sector. Whilst some schools were being more relaxed around masks, most are now insisting on them because of their insurers and lawyers. A stupid situation without doubt, but the schools are between a rock and a hard place on this.

250994 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Will, 3, #240 of 1903 🔗

Except that they are liable if harm if caused from wearing masks. Business insurance won’t cover this as the fine print will say it must be established in science that the harm from masks is minimal. And of course it doesn’t say this.

Plus you need a procedure in how to wear them correctly to ensure HSE is met. But there’s no proper guidance on that. Masks are worn in the food industry from time to time and there are regulations on use and disposal. But that’s because mask use is only for specific cases and is hard to enforce. Hair nets and gloves are easier to manage, and yet there are still issues with gloves (latex/nitriles)

So, in short, a parent can sue the school directly for any harm or “perceived harm”.

251007 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to mhcp, #241 of 1903 🔗

In which circumstance the schools will have to close again which no one wants. Organisations have to take a pragmatic line on this even if they think the whole thing is a load of bollocks. If we didn’t have No win; No fee none of this would even be an issue.

251507 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, #242 of 1903 🔗

Yes but the refusal to allow remote access was just vindictive and peevish.

251666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #243 of 1903 🔗

…especially given that remote access was being provided to those children who were “self isolating”.

251506 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #244 of 1903 🔗

You did right!

251119 ▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Will, 2, #245 of 1903 🔗

It is as you say f..k all and this will go on and on..I am highly suspicious any child was even tested.this is the spiel being sent to parents around the country by the public health idiots sent from their masters…

251303 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Will, 5, #246 of 1903 🔗

I feel your pain. My own son had to endure two weeks of “self-isolation” because of a “positive test” in a pupil in another year group that he *might* have had indirect contact with at playtime. The chances of him interacting with anyone in the year above him was infinitesimally small. But no he had to self-isolate. I suggested to the head teacher that it was probably a false positive and demanded a second test be performed on the individual to be sent to a different lab for confirmation but was told no, that wasn’t going to happen.

Guess what? No symptoms in two weeks: I wasn’t surprised.

The result of this is that in the last couple of weeks he seems to have become more “clingy” to my wife and I.

250835 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #247 of 1903 🔗

https://twitter.com/HeckofaLiberal/status/1328242163344318466

This is a short video from June with Michael Osterholm about masks. What he is saying makes perfect sense about an aerosol infection. Osterhom is one of the leading epidemiologists and expert in influenza and respiratory diseases (contrary to Fauci,Redfield,Birx who are HIV experts).
And Michael Osterholm is now part of Project fear and wants a 2 week national lockdown of US and part of the mask mandate. He is also in Biden’s new C-19 group(hope he reverts to previous opinions like this one and he also was against lockdowns in the beginning)

250901 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to swedenborg, 8, #248 of 1903 🔗

Everything Osterholm says in the video makes perfect sense: viruses are everywhere, even in our ordinarily-exhaled air (not just when coughing), masks only work to the extent that they filter air and trap viral particles (so air leaks around the edges essentially nullify the purpose of wearing a mask), the studies after the Spanish Flu outbreak showed that cloth masks were pointless, and that forcing people to wear masks will be the thin end of a wedge that will lead to governments extend their coercive power into other areas like locking up the overweight and the old “to protect them”.

However, his logic about the ineffectiveness of masks, and his recent appointment to team Biden may lead the people of US down a potentially worse path, that of total isolation:

If we don’t stop “swapping air” with our neighbors, friends, and colleagues, COVID case numbers will grow substantially… ” — interview, CNN, 2020-11-16

Here, Osterholm is arguing for more lockdown to prevent people from breathing in the same place as other people. Masks don’t work, therefore lock up everyone. Once again we see the implacable logic of the scientist used to bludgeon the public.

I was interested to read the final section of Churchill’s Fifty Years Hence from 1932, a section that muses on the possibility of science creating a sub-species of human fit only for operating machinery:

The production of creatures, for instance, which have admirable physical development, with their mental endowment stunted in particular directions, is almost within the range of human power. A being might be produced capable of tending a machine but without other ambitions.

What came to my mind was the image of humans hunched over their smartphones eagerly administering yet another dose of dopamine as they shuffle towards the Soylent Green euthanasia centre. But perhaps I’m just having a bad week.

250841 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, 5, #250 of 1903 🔗

Hubble, bubble, toil and trouble: inhabitants of the Central Belt are awaiting warp speed transport to the Tier 4th Dimension: abandon hope all ye who enter here.

It might be simpler to build an extension at the Bar-L and confine us all at the FM’s pleasure.

251069 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to wendyk, 2, #251 of 1903 🔗

It would need to be a very big extension.

I wait with you. If she does as was claimed and shuts ALL but essential shops for four weeks, it will leave 6 days to do the Christmas shopping as a lot of people are relying on their November pay to do so and haven’t the luxury of choosing to shop earlier.

251094 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Just about sane, 3, #252 of 1903 🔗

A bumper Xmas for Amazon and Netflix.

251900 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #253 of 1903 🔗

‘Hello, is that Nicola Sturgeon?’
‘Aye, this is she speakin,’ wha’s this?’
‘Hi Nicola. This is Jeff. Jeff Bezos. From Amazon.’
‘Whit? You the guy wha’s always droppin’ thae parcels on ma front drive when ah’m awa’ at work, an leavin’ them oot in the rain?’
‘I just love that British humour, Nicola.’
‘Wha’ ye callin’ British? An’ see my parcels, if ye drop one on the drive again I’ll skelp ye.’
‘No but seriously Nicola. It’s me, Jeff Bezos. I’m the boss of Amazon. I’ve got a little proposition to make to you…how would you like to make a million dollars?’
‘Aye, get away. Ah’m no bein’ fooled by that again. Last time it wis a Nigerian prince that wis gonnae gie me a million dollars.’

251121 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Just about sane, 1, #254 of 1903 🔗

Exactly; the woman is power mad

250839 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #255 of 1903 🔗

In Phase III of the the Moderna vaccine clinical trial, out of the 15,000 people who were in the control group, only 90 became “confirmed and adjudicated cases.”

The total participant population was “approximately 30,000 participants (case driven) whose locations or circumstances put them at appreciable risk of acquiring COVID-19 and/or SARS-CoV-2 infection. ‘All-comers’ with regard to SARS-CoV-2 serostatus (baseline serology will be collected).”

8,000 + participants were “living with chronic condition.”

Yet there has been no comment on quite how few in the control group became “cases.” 90 out of 15,000 in the control group, of whom presumably some 4,000 were living with chronic conditions.

See:
https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/content_documents/mRNA-1273-Update-11-16-20-Final.pdf

250852 ▶▶ Sally, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #256 of 1903 🔗

Half of the participants received two doses of the vaccine, 28 days apart. The other half received placebos on the same schedule. The total 95 cases (90 control group, 5 vaccine group) were found two weeks after the second vaccine dose. So that’s 90 cases in the control group after 6 weeks. That doesn’t seem like such a low number to me. And having a chronic condition doesn’t necessarily make you more susceptible to contracting the infection.

250877 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Sally, 2, #257 of 1903 🔗

“That doesn’t seem like such a low number to me.” Relative to what? In the latest ONS Infection Survey in the community for England, 1 in 85 “had the coronavirus.”

250884 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #258 of 1903 🔗

Not backed up by the Liverpool results, which have been rather ignored by the BBC.

250890 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #259 of 1903 🔗

So the control group had a 0.6% pos rate. Exactly the same as picked up in the Liverpool mass testing charade and highlighted in the BMJ piece above. Hmm?

251257 ▶▶▶ claire, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #260 of 1903 🔗

And similar but higher than the Pfizer vaccine trials (86 out of 21,683 non vaccine so 0.4%)

251624 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to PoshPanic, #261 of 1903 🔗

They are, however adjudged based on symptoms, then confirmed by test. Not randomly selected for testing. Not the same as any FPR at all

251654 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to djaustin, #262 of 1903 🔗

Where are the details of the cases, with symptoms? Didn’t mention FPR

251613 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #263 of 1903 🔗

‘All-comers’ with regard to SARS-CoV-2 serostatus (baseline serology will be collected).”

Does that mean that even people with pre-existing immunity were enrolled on the trial?

250842 Stephen, replying to Stephen, 27, #264 of 1903 🔗

The comparison to the First World War is a good one.

1914 was at the end of a long period of unprecedented peace, economic growth and global integration. Just like today.

It then started with an event in Sarajevo that no one remotely felt at the time could lead to world war. Nobody believed our current dystopia would be the consequence of the first outbreaks back in January.

Miscalculation and Fear then got going as each country believed it might be attacked or suffer ruin if it did not join in. This is all very like the approach to Lock Downs – we will all die if we do not take action and every country then joins the same contagion.

It was also deeply popular, at least at the start. There were crowds cheering in the streets in all the European countries. Every government and populace also convinced themselves that they were morally virtuous and in the right. Just like now.

Then, once the disaster unfolded it was found to be impossible to back out. But, as Guy says, any rational agent would have ended it by December 1914. Instead, it lasted 4 years and even then the result was not clear cut. In some ways, the Second World War was a continuation.

I am increasingly worried that this current dystopia will just carry on. Fear has caused rational judgment to be suspended on the part of too many people. Now that governments and populations are in so deep, everyone is just ex post rationalising. This still has a long way to run.

250921 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Stephen, 3, #265 of 1903 🔗

Rigid battle plans turn out badly as Helmuth Graf von Moltke (the Elder) advised, also Japan’s undoing in Burma. No doubt coronanists will still be muttering about lockdowns as they emerge from the jungle years from now. Those that aren’t boasting about their brave resistance to lockdowns of course.

251029 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #266 of 1903 🔗

They will be like that Japanese soldier who was found in the Philippines years after the war ended who refused to surrender and only did so when the Emperor had to order it personally.

250848 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #267 of 1903 🔗

Interesting twitter thread about seasonality of Coronaviruses in Canada

https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1328087905580048390

“PCR positivity is occurring everywhere and to a greater magnitude and well-before other Coronavirus seasons; despite masking / distancing / restrictions / lockdowns. Why?

250857 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to swedenborg, 3, #268 of 1903 🔗

Nice find.

I expect coronavirus #5 has a more susceptible population to go through. As we saw for UK, the suppression in Spring/Summer could have come from 3 things – summer, herd immunity and lockdown. Comparison between UK and Sweden shows lockdown had a smallish effect, so it must be summer and herd immunity. Anything suppressed by summer will re-emerge in autumn until its gone through everyone and it settles down into being just another coronavirus

250894 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 1, #269 of 1903 🔗

When you use vague and imprecise measuring techniques you get vague and imprecise measurements.

The trouble is when you adopt vague and imprecise measuring techniques the advocates proclaim detailed and precise measurements.

Such is the irrational mind.

250858 swedenborg, 2, #270 of 1903 🔗
250865 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #271 of 1903 🔗

You log of Matt Hancock’s day at the office missed his earlier appointment with BBC Breakfast, where Dan Walker, one of the BBC’s pretend journalists, tried to challenge Hancock on the failure of Boris Johnson and Mr Anderson to observe social distancing. Mr Hancock was in the BBC’s newsroom, and throughout the interview BBC personnel could be seen failing to observe social distancing. This virtue signalling hypocrisy has become institutionalised, and not just in the BBC. The few Lockdownistas that I know have consistently broken all the ever changing lockdown rules from the outset and have simultaneously complained about and condemned other people (who they do not know) for not observing the rules. One apparently unintended consequence of the lockdown has been to significantly increase the level of virtue signalling and hypocrisy in society generally, something that was bad enough already.

250879 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #272 of 1903 🔗

Yes and Hancock is perhaps the biggest virtue signaller of them all, with his National Death Service badge and face muzzle. Cover yourself privately is surely the best advice now in terms of personal health. CCP Virus is only a worry to me if admitted to an NDS Hospital for other reasons, round this way they are a complete disaster.

250919 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to nottingham69, 1, #273 of 1903 🔗

Do you call the 2009 pandemic the Smithfield virus?

250964 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #274 of 1903 🔗

No but nor will I use the WHO, let our Chinese bosses of the hook name for the current virus. China Virus or Wuhan Virus is unfair on the people who have no choice in tolerating the new Nazi’s who run their country. So CCP Virus it is, after those who at the very least knowingly exported their virus. Unless you can think of better.

251038 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to nottingham69, #275 of 1903 🔗

Smithfield were responsible for the swine flu pandemic of 2009.

I do not see how China’s authorities can be responsible for the current pandemic as they reported it to the World Health Organisation in December 2019. The government of this country was informed (as were all the others) and decided on scientific advice not to secure the borders and a month later two people with the virus freely entered the country, at Heathrow, travelled around London, headed north and got to York before seeking medical attention and were found to have the disease. Even then the government did not secure the border (on scientific advice), allowing more infectious people to freely enter the country and spread the virus. There are plenty of people who are responsible for the spread of the virus, but the Chinese government is certainly not responsible for the actions and inactions of the government of this country: and those policy decisions have caused, and are causing, far more harm than the virus ever could.

251585 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #276 of 1903 🔗

Not to exempt the govt in any way from the accusations you’ve made, but didn’t China threaten the doctor who first tried to alert the authorities to the new illness?

There’s increasing evidence now that it was around in various countries well before Dec 2019 anyway.

250913 ▶▶ Thumb, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #277 of 1903 🔗

We should call it stupidity signalling.

250924 ▶▶ Stephen, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #278 of 1903 🔗

Maybe it just shows that the virus spreads anyway and that masks, social distancing etc. do not stop it. Sneaky, naughty viruses. They are older than us. Somehow they always get through. Otherwise, surely, some animal would have evolved masks and socially distanced procreation as a defence. But no animal ever did. Or at least not one we found.

250941 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Stephen, 3, #279 of 1903 🔗

Is it not strange that Hancock et al cannot see that graphs of the virus’ effects all have the same shape, regardless of the measures a country takes or does not take?

251331 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Stephen, 2, #280 of 1903 🔗

Where would the human race be if it wasn’t for our Immune Systems? I put my trust in my own immune system rather than the deceitful lies of globalists.

250927 ▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #281 of 1903 🔗

I don’t think it has so much increased virtue signalling and hypocrisy as exposed it. I said the other day when feeling very low that I will never look at my fellow human being the same way again. I still feel it today, that by and large they are nasty and hypocritical and the veneer of civilisation has always been very thin indeed. We are just seeing it now.

251035 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to steph, 3, #282 of 1903 🔗

Sigh. I feel the same way, and it’s not a good feeling.

250962 ▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #283 of 1903 🔗

Any psychologist on here who can give an expert opinion of Hancock’s personality type? I always class him as a psychopath having met a few very successful ones in the business world but I may be wide of the mark. Any help please?

251024 ▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to steph, 2, #284 of 1903 🔗

Definitely- no empathy whatsoever.

251342 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to VickyA, 1, #285 of 1903 🔗

He’s a sociopath, they don’t have empathy.

251044 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, #286 of 1903 🔗

The notion that Hancock is a psychopath is patently wrong.

251083 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, #287 of 1903 🔗

Please expand. What is his personality type?

251358 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, 3, #288 of 1903 🔗

It is not a matter of Matt Hancock’s personality type. He is in fact a typical careerist politician.

The lesson from history – one that so many people shy away from even though it has been repeated so often – is it does not take bad people to do bad things; good people are perfectly capable of doing very bad things and indeed are much more efficient and effective. Take the care home massacre. Virtually all the people involved in those tens of thousands of premature deaths are good, caring people, concerned to do their jobs as well as they are able. Yet, they placed old, vulnerable people in virtual solitary confinement, denied them access to the comfort (and oversight) of their relatives, denied them any social interaction to speak of, denied them access to the outdoors, denied them access to medical attention, put DNR notices on their notes, and many of them, entirely predictably, out of isolation and anxiety and confusion and depression simply gave up and died. This massacre of the most vulnerable is just one example of the horrors good people have inflicted since March. Good people happen to be precisely the people one needs to carry out the most barbarous of policies.

251600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #289 of 1903 🔗

I think you’re right – there’s some quote somewhere that tyrants who genuinely believe they’re acting for your own good are far more dangerous than those simply doing it for power, because they are true believers in the cause and will never stop.

251124 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steph, 1, #290 of 1903 🔗

Arrogance covering up ignorance. An ability to lie with impunity. Extrovert personality (likes to party). Err possibly an inferiority complex needing highly boosted approval levels to keep in check and membership of a wider group to hide behind or gain a lift in status from. Hence the slavish corporate arse-licking.
*Disclaimer
I am not a psychologist. I am a village idiot.

251132 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to steph, 2, #291 of 1903 🔗

He somehow seems too clueless to be a psychopath. They also often have a superficial charm about them, that doesn’t apply to MH.

251500 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to steph, 2, #292 of 1903 🔗

In order to diagnose personality disorder (and you can look at either ICD-10 or DSM V) you need to see if the traits (not necessarily all) apply. To be accurate you need the relevant training but you can have fun looking and making your own mind up. In order to do a proper job you would also need to have his personal and developmental history, and information about his relationships, especially with parents and partners. There are many types of personality disorder, some with overlapping traits and be aware that clinicians will often not agree on diagnosis. So good luck with that!
I worked within two clinical teams in Broadmoor for 5 years. So I have met plenty of psychopaths.

251914 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, 1, #293 of 1903 🔗

Could you find the time to do a bit of investigation into Wancock and decide whether or not he really has psychopathic tendencies?I know we non-experts tend to throw the word around in our righteous anger.

251593 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steph, 2, #294 of 1903 🔗

Narcissistic Personality Disorder I bet.

Not a psychologist, but he obviously thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread.

251580 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #295 of 1903 🔗

He thinks he’s exempt from basically everything because he’s a Top Gubberment Health Officer battling the Deadliest Pandemic of All Time.

250869 kh1485, 34, #296 of 1903 🔗

Bit of a spring in my step today. Seems I’m not the only one in the People’s Republic of Saffron Walden who is incensed by all the new signage (both covibollox and green).

Someone (and it really isn’t me, though I have done a bit of ‘Annie’-ing in the past!) has had a real go at the new 20 m.p.h signs and ‘let’s all live greener’ signs. Respect, whoever you are!

250875 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 7, #297 of 1903 🔗

Oh my goodness, the Times’ chief lockdown fan Hugo Rifkind has ACTUALLY had it, and is ACTUALLY able to tell us what it is ACTUALLY like! Funnily enough, in his case, sounds like a bad cold.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/this-is-what-catching-covid-actually-feels-like-qfq7gqzzn

251333 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Adamb, 4, #298 of 1903 🔗

And if you think you’ve “got it”, why even bother going for a test? You wouldn’t bother for the flu: You’d just take the time off work and self medicate with Paracetamol and Ibuprofen until you felt better.

251347 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #299 of 1903 🔗

Good grief no, you have to make a song and dance about it, declare it all over social media, wear it like some badge of honour!

251391 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #300 of 1903 🔗

I should have added that the only time you probably really need to do something is if you think you need to be in hospital.

250882 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 12, #301 of 1903 🔗

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/11/cold-winter-how-covid-19-unemployment-has-hit-england-s-fuel-poor-areas

Fuel poverty is adding to the misery of those already suffering the most hardship in lockdown UK

250889 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to wendyk, 7, #302 of 1903 🔗

This will lead to further excess deaths, all attributable to the mishandling of the SARS-COV-2 situation.

250898 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 8, #303 of 1903 🔗

There was an article I read sometime ago (can’t remember where it was sorry) and one of the comments below pointed out that if people were still forced to work from home into autumn and winter which is essentially now then expect electricity and heating bills to go up the roof.

And if you’re in danger of redundancy then fuel poverty will be a big problem.

250914 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #304 of 1903 🔗

Quite right Bart, and the figures are already showing this.

250923 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 4, #305 of 1903 🔗

Hence why I believe that the universal winter fuel allowance should be scrapped.

251811 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #306 of 1903 🔗

That’s my daughter’s dilema. Her attic flat in a Victorian house is lovely in summer, but it gets very cold in winter. She’s not been too bothered by this before as it only affects her in the evenings, and at weekends, she was usually out for much of the day enjoying herself. Now though it is a different matter. She can’t work in the cold, but her electric boiler central heating system is so so expensive to run. She’s been told that she can claim £6 tax deduction flat rate a week, but her yearly heating bill is going to go from nearly £1,000 a year to god knows what this winter. And it’s not even got cold yet.

252055 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Felice, #307 of 1903 🔗

I can sympathise with your daughter. Mr Bart & I live in a flat built in 1919, not great but the windows are awful. We were supposed to have them changed this year but this shit show put paid to that.

The draft is awful that even the heating doesn’t make much difference.

252160 ▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Bart Simpson, #308 of 1903 🔗

About the only thing we did right this year was to get the 2 sets of double doors changed! We were originally going to wait until the summer to have the work done, but the extremely wet autumn made us decide to go ahead anyway. The doors were changed in early Jan – it was a vile wet and windy day, atrocious conditions for the poor fitters! Then along came Feb which was another sh*tshow of wind and rain, and we felt very pleased with out decision.
We like to think the new doors make a difference, but it’s not a big enough difference in reality for her to work comfortably and still be able to pay the bills.
She’s so desperate that she thinks she will come and stay with us if it gets really cold this winter – we’ve got the space still and might as well heat one house rather than two. She’s in her mid 30s so you can tell how desperate she is!!

251927 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #309 of 1903 🔗

Better than working in an ice- old office, where the heating is banned in case Covvie gets into it.
Warmth poverty?

252054 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, #310 of 1903 🔗

It’s become a double edged sword isn’t it?

250920 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to wendyk, 14, #311 of 1903 🔗

Yes families will be struggling for extra winter bills and putting food on the table due to government rules, yet BBC strictly and the im a celeb people can still get paid thousands for appearing on TV shows which are permitted. There is something seriously wrong about this!!

250922 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to wendyk, 19, #312 of 1903 🔗

The government is at war with the people of this nation. Covid bullshit, Green shite (didn’t vote for this Slippery Pig), Blasphemy and free speech laws trying to be passed through the back door. The final straw for me is, they are now picking on the cash cow that is the Motorist. They are taking away every part of life worth living!

251207 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to wendyk, 4, #313 of 1903 🔗

Impact of fuel poverty on excess winter deaths – http://euanmearns.com/the-influence-of-temperature-on-uk-death-rates/ – excess winter deaths caused by inadequate indoor heating – Indoor temperatures of less than 16C increase respiratory risk – hence about 60 to 80 000 extra deaths each winter

Shame where a wealthy country cannot provide its citizens with basic heating – going to get worse if we move away from natural gas heating which provides warmth to 85 % of homes in exchange for expensive and unreliable wind and solar electricity

251291 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #314 of 1903 🔗

And of course the irony in your comment is that temperatures of less than 16C increase the risk of respiratory impairment,while all the while ,the Great and the Good have imprisoned us to save us from an apparently world shatteringly lethal respiratory virus.

Add the gagging and associated problems and ,as I keep expostulating- you couldn’t make this up!

251261 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to wendyk, 2, #315 of 1903 🔗

Quite true of course, but I think you are all failing to see the positive side of this.

Poor people cant afford to run their heating systems – less co2. Old and infirm people die from hypothermia, stop breathing – less co2.

Cawwie, Greta, and all the other murdering bastards get to live in their green utopia – win, win!

If you can’t join them, beat them.

250885 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 17, #316 of 1903 🔗

This is the ludicrousness of the self isolation rules.

I have one child off school due to there being a positive result for another child on their school bus. Then yesterday the other child came home with a letter saying that the school will be closed in 2 days time for 10 days so that the school can be deep cleaned because there has been 11 positive results.

250931 ▶▶ CGL, replying to JohnB, 8, #317 of 1903 🔗

Like I said yesterday – they have completely lost their shit

251153 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 6, #318 of 1903 🔗

Deep Cleaning…FFS
Mental.

251938 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #319 of 1903 🔗

My former church, now the Tenby Temple of Covidian Terror and Faceless Ghoulery, gets deep-cleaned after every service. Each service lasts about 35 minutes, and the muzzled ghouls are so anti-socially distanced that they need telescopes to see one another. Every one of them knows he or she is a walking bag of death.

252529 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to annie, #320 of 1903 🔗

Oh dear, Annie. That’s terrible. I haven’t even been to our church since this madness began. We have to book our place by Friday evening, muzzle up and keep away from everyone else. Talk about paranoid. They’ve even stopped ringing the bells. Perhaps it moves the air around too much.

251363 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, 5, #321 of 1903 🔗

If the PCR tests had never been invented then none of this sh*t would be happening. It’s the teachers and head’s stupidity and gullibility that annoys me most. Do they believe this garbage?

251813 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to JohnB, 3, #322 of 1903 🔗

Hysterical.

Never mind deep cleaning, I do hope they are fixing lightning conductors to any high buildings, as we know for a fact that lightning is a greater risk than ‘rona to children.

250888 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 77, #323 of 1903 🔗

Don’t usually swear but I’m fucking incensed at Hancock. If we continue this second pointless lockdown so many businesses who’s financial year is based around the takings from Christmas will simply disappear. What a total twat.

I’m honestly sick of the peole living in the south of this country. Loving it because they’re either (currently) insulated financially or on furlough. The puritanical wankers of out local Facebook group make me sick.

Honestly hate this shit country right now. That’s the first time I’ve ever said that. Bungh of tossers.

Lord R

250896 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 44, #324 of 1903 🔗

This has had a big impact on me over the last few months. I knew that this country had problems. I knew our political class were not up to scratch but I kept my belief that this country was still a great country.
I’d read Hitchens for years and agreed with his basic premise that the nation has died but it is only now that the reality of it has really hit home.
And there is a bit of grief there, to be honest. (And soft.)

250897 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 41, #325 of 1903 🔗

I agree. I wish they had the guts to get out amongst their constituents, but they haven’t.

My MP studiously ignored me on her way upstairs (past the door of my business) to go and discuss how best to ‘help’ the hospitality sector with the BID chairwoman. Yes, discussing my future with someone who, from where I am standing, is also not impacted by this shit-show. The arrogance is astounding.

250948 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 12, #326 of 1903 🔗

My SNP person has ignored my latest emails; what has become of representation of constituents?

Down the plughole, as they draw their salaries, plus perks.

251017 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 12, #327 of 1903 🔗

We’re just an irritant wendyk. Never felt more like a medieval serf in my life.

251116 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 3, #328 of 1903 🔗

Exactly how I feel, kh: a troublesome irrelevance.

252514 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 1, #329 of 1903 🔗

Perks
For jerks
In the land where nothing works
And a she-devil smirks.

250907 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 28, #330 of 1903 🔗

Agree with you. I despise the cowardice of businesses & institutions who lacked the cojones to fight all these. Instead they kowtowed to every insane diktat with some even over egging the pudding by adding their own insanity (ex. no mask, no service, using their staff to bully & harass customers, using Covid safety as an excuse for bad service).

What’s equally bad and worse are colleagues who still buy this crap even when the reality of compulsory redundancy is staring at them in the face.

I’ve lost sympathy with businesses and institutions a long time ago. If they still refuse to wake up and fight, they will deserve to die.

250961 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #331 of 1903 🔗

Yes, they will deserve to die, BUT they will drag us all down with them!

250975 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to IanE, 7, #332 of 1903 🔗

And this is why I’m angry with businesses and institutions – they’ll be dragging their employees and the public with them.

250911 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 21, #333 of 1903 🔗

Feel the same about Hancock, when are the real Tories going to stand up and remove this school boy. I have relatives in the north, and they are all being so obedient which surprised me, but without exception they are employed by the state, civil servants, schools and nhs, they don’t mine furlough etc, and compared to 4% in the south, 11% in the north are employed byt the state. In the south, neighbours who have a small cafe are now doing takeaway to hold off ruin, just a different perspective.

251373 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #334 of 1903 🔗

They won’t rock the boat and risk their gold plated pensions, not until they themselves are impoverished.

250916 ▶▶ Thumb, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 23, #335 of 1903 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. Hancock is completely out of his depth, as is the entire government. I swing between despair and rage on an hourly basis. I am one of the (for now) “financially insulated” ones who people live to criticise, as are my colleagues. We are all against this madness.

250918 ▶▶▶ Thumb, replying to Thumb, 3, #336 of 1903 🔗

Sorry, that should have said “love to criticise”.

250928 ▶▶ CGL, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 19, #337 of 1903 🔗

Not all southerners are like this – just saying
I can’t even look at Wancock (or spell his name correctly – he must be insulted at every opportunity). I was previously quite patriotic – no more. The majority of the people of this country shame us all.

250935 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to CGL, 19, #338 of 1903 🔗

Agree. All of us running our own businesses may be getting by but only just. Revenue is well down and we can’t take it for ever.
I also do have human feelings for those who can’t get by and if we don’t have a real Christmas with a proper season for those businesses who rely on it then we will all be worse off to a large extent. Money doesn’t grow on trees, despite what Sunak would like us to believe, it is generated from real endeavour.

251495 ▶▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to steph, 2, #339 of 1903 🔗

Exactly the same boat mate…and I’m also a southerner!

250940 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to CGL, 12, #340 of 1903 🔗

When I went up north if anything it seemed to me lockdown love and total sheep like compliance was even worse then where I live down south.

251135 ▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #341 of 1903 🔗

It is and its utterly depressing..if you noticed an unmasked person breathing in fresh air..it was probably me 😁 😁

251326 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Saved To Death, 11, #342 of 1903 🔗

I live in NE Derbyshire and it is Covid central around here. I hardly ever see another person without a muzzle in the shops, and the number wearing the vile things outside is growing!. I look at these idiots with nothing but contempt.

251378 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CGL, 3, #343 of 1903 🔗

I’ve been a lifelong monarchist, but no more.

250967 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 8, #344 of 1903 🔗

A number of small businesses and self employed, have been living in catch 22 land and FB is one of the main drivers of this IMO. They risk alienating what they see as most of their customers, by saying fuck the rules, we’ll open. From conversations I’ve had, most want to do this. But a perceived public mass of zealots, is keeping them from the final push.

251008 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PoshPanic, 25, #345 of 1903 🔗

This is what has happened with us. We are ignoring the rules as much as possible but because of snitching bastards snivelling off to the council I have now been threatened with prosecution and hefty fines. The levels of snitching and sheer nastiness has been something that has really shocked me. Funny that these FB keyboard ‘warriors’ never have the guts to say the things they say on the internet to my face. Say what you like about me (and many have!), but I wouldn’t say anything on here that I wouldn’t say to someone’s face.

If all the other businesses said “eff off”, it would be easier to ignore but they’re all lapping up the covibollox. The problem is also that I suspect a lot of businesses here are run as hobbies rather than as a source of income, so if they are closed it doesn’t really make any difference.

251800 ▶▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to kh1485, 4, #346 of 1903 🔗

Sorry to hear about the snitching. The spirit of the demonic Stasi is still with us, albeit hopefully not so widespread.

I think a few food and drink businesses may even be run as fronts for criminal activities and money-laundering!

252687 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to kh1485, #347 of 1903 🔗

Hobbies? What do they live on then? I am sure you are right though…..especially in posh towns.

251249 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 19, #348 of 1903 🔗

I’m totally on board with you. Please don’t fit one minute think that this is a North/South problem though. It isn’t.

The problem is the elites vs the plebs. At the moment they have an army of indoctrinated zombies fighting their cause for them. It won’t last.

So far this year we have suffered three suicides, including my business partner after we lost our business a month ago. I currently have £400k of debt now and no income. I live in the South Coast.

I hear stories like mine more and more each day locally. I don’t know what it will take to wake the people up to the horror that has been unleashed upon us all, I know many are waking up but if there is a mass awakening then there will be absolute hell to pay.

I’d definitely buy a ticket to see PD & Wcock face the music…

251277 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Arnie, 11, #349 of 1903 🔗

I took the liberty of telling 2 zealots about your awful experiences Arnie, without naming you.

All I got in return was a non committal ‘mmmm’.

It’s impossible to breech the covid cognitive dissonance mindset.

252058 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 2, #350 of 1903 🔗

Same here. I mention Arnie’s experience to someone but I got the usual “but the virus is still here and cases are going up”

I give up.

252688 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, #351 of 1903 🔗

Fuck their ‘cases’!

251382 ▶▶ Ben, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 10, #352 of 1903 🔗

No hyperbole. It’s WW3 and every country is under occupation by (who?). The public face of the occupier is the World Economic Forum led by Klaus Schwab. So many are starting to see what’s happening. It’s not a conspiracy theory anymore

The destruction of the economy is by design so the billionaire class can pick off failed businesses for a snip. The resulting poverty will force millions on to UBI which means the State controls them

The economic, political and cultural landscape is being razed to build the Great Reset = the billionaires concentration camp for us

252315 ▶▶ Antonedes, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #353 of 1903 🔗

Perhaps the non essential retailers, pubs, restaurants and cafes should declare a lifetime ban on Hancock?

250904 Eddy, 12, #354 of 1903 🔗

David Icke on the Labour Party One-Party-State fascistic bid to silence opinions that question vaccine safety
https://davidicke.com/2020/11/16/david-icke-on-the-labour-party-one-party-state-fascistic-bid-to-silence-opinions-that-question-vaccine-safety/

250905 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #355 of 1903 🔗

The other day I posted about the experiences of youngest child working as a chef in South Wales. A quick recap:
work colleague wished to see grandmother in hospital
hence decides to have SARS-COV-2 test
result is positive- needs to isolate for 10 days
my son had a lift with him and so needs to isolate for 14 days

Update:
Restaurant where they work seeks advice.
No one seems able to advise them
Owner is forced to make the decision to close the restaurant (they all wear masks in the kitchen) for 14 days
My son has been furloughed (the only relatively good thing as if they hadn’t closed he would have been on SSP of £90 per week).

250909 ▶▶ calchas, replying to p02099003, 6, #356 of 1903 🔗

There is no SarsCov2 test

251181 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, #357 of 1903 🔗

This is not sustainable.
It’s insane.

251269 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to p02099003, #358 of 1903 🔗

Next time get a voodoo priest in to do a ceremony and use that for the HSE risk assessment

250906 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #359 of 1903 🔗

BBC article this morning (Six months after LS highlighted this issue, but hey ho)

During April 1,729 people were discharged from hospital to care homes in Wales

53 had tested positive for covid before discharge

‘Research by Public Health Wales later concluded that discharging patients from hospitals into care homes did not increase the risk of coronavirus outbreaks among residents.’

Who made the decision to discharge them. Yes, you guessed it PHW

The corruption is staggering

250932 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cecil B, 5, #360 of 1903 🔗

But you can’t go into a shop without a mask, because ‘that will increase the risk’. Yes, corruption on a grand scale

250983 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 7, #361 of 1903 🔗

After the manslaughter of many elderly patients, PHW found themselves “not guilty”.

251190 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 3, #362 of 1903 🔗
250908 calchas, 3, #363 of 1903 🔗
250910 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 10, #364 of 1903 🔗

Latest from The Bernician on Facebook:

We chased the chief magistrates office all day today (Monday). We’re still waiting for a reply to two messages and an email, which we were hoping would come some time this evening.
That not being the case, we will continue chasing until we ascertain how far the warrant application has progressed. As soon as we have any news on the PCP, you’ll read it here first. Until then, remember that patience pays the greatest rewards.
Meanwhile, fourteen members of the People’s Union of Britain, who have witnessed the emails which have passed between PUB and the Chief Magistrates office, have pledged to execute witness statements to that effect.
These affidavits will form the basis of defamation and malicious falsehood complaints, against every fraudulent fop who made serious allegations they knew to be untrue, for their own material gain.

Make up your own mind – I am sure you will.

251112 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Basileus, 2, #365 of 1903 🔗

If, like me, you are wondering what the role of Chief Magistrate is, here is an explanation:

https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/who-are-the-judiciary/judicial-roles/judges/chief-magistrate/

251123 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to DressageRider, 1, #366 of 1903 🔗

Yes, I checked this out before and it is legit.

250917 CGL, replying to CGL, #367 of 1903 🔗

Sorry for plebness – got a technical forum issue – can anyone help?
I’ve been trying to send some pm’s on there and they are stuck in the Outbox. I’ve tried to send them several times, but they won’t budge.
Anyone know how I can get them sent?
Ta in advance

251030 ▶▶ Cotton, replying to CGL, #368 of 1903 🔗

I had this, it doesn’t move to ‘sent’ until the person has read it

251196 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, #369 of 1903 🔗

how do you even send/read a PM?

251390 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, #370 of 1903 🔗

Just tried sending you one, but not sure if it works if you aren’t on the forums. If you click onto the Forums section and if you are logged in you should see little red marks on your notifications and private messages icons.

251690 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #371 of 1903 🔗

Oh maybe I’m cleverer than I thought! 🙂

250933 FrankiiB, 15, #372 of 1903 🔗

Mandatory vaccines will make vaccines worse

The level of hate and propaganda about vaccines makes it impossible for science to develop effective vaccines. This point is effectively made in this academic medical research paper here:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28882443/

Most research suggests vaccines in general have more benefit than risk, but there are risks particularly with autoimmune conditions. Researchers who raise these issues and with a view to improving vaccines are labelled as anti-vax, effectively blocking the development of good vaccines.

Laws against ‘anti vax’ information would also, in reality, stop scientists questioning where vaccines cause harm and thereby prevent improvements.

250934 Saved To Death, replying to Saved To Death, 33, #373 of 1903 🔗

Just got this in a email from my 3 year olds primary school which up until now had remained reasonably sane

“We have recently been notified that XXXXXXXXXXX Primary School have had to close class bubble’s due to a positive COVID-19 test result.

In response to this, as we are located on their grounds, we would request with immediate
effect that all parents wear a face covering when dropping off and collecting their children.
This is a precautionary measure to help protect yourselves, the children and staff and reduce the risk of COVID-19.”

Really what do they think this will achieve.

They assured me earlier in the year that his teachers would not be wearing face masks and they would not be attempting to impose social distancing on the children. I worry that this may have already changed.

I am starting to feel a real deep hatred towards every fucker that is involved in this from evil MP right down to gormless obedient twat on the street. It is becoming all consuming and I know this is not healthy.

250943 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Saved To Death, 11, #374 of 1903 🔗

That same email went out from my kids school 3 weeks ago. I carry my exempt card and was challenged once when entering the school. All very courteous.

Compliance at the school gates has been at around 10-15%. It’s a nonsense virtue initiative based on no science. I always carry a spare exempt card with me as I would love someone to aks me why I am not wearing one. I’ll happily inform them its personal choice and provide a magic pass.

250968 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #375 of 1903 🔗

Personally I would not use an exemption card. I just say I am exempt if challenged and if that’s not enough then I am happy to take my business elsewhere.

I do not see what the nursery could do other then exclude my child and if they are willing to do that then I think its for the best.

250947 ▶▶ steph, replying to Saved To Death, 16, #376 of 1903 🔗

I hope you intend to remain exempt.
On a flippant note what on earth are people responsible for our children’s education doing putting a possessive apostrophe in the plural of bubble?

250950 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to steph, 7, #377 of 1903 🔗

Reminds me of the worksheet sent home from my children’s private primary about 20 years ago now. They were required to give examples of verbs but the teacher’s efforts included an adjective.

250960 ▶▶▶▶ NigelN, replying to steph, 5, #378 of 1903 🔗

My son was once told that the Dee was not a Welsh river and had his work marked as wrong..

250981 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to steph, 15, #379 of 1903 🔗

I intend to maintain my dignity and rebel against this tyranny until I am dead.

If there ever is a reckoning and I admit I have little hope at this point I think everybody working with children who has been willing to subject then to abuse needs to be identified and prevented from working with children again.

251010 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #380 of 1903 🔗

Hope that it doesn’t come to the mandate for parents to muzzle up.

I wonder if these schools and the teachers are aware that they’re complicit in the abuse of children. Children aren’t stupid, they can pick up what adults are doing. Today’s children will be controlling the finances and care homes of tomorrow.

They have been warned.

251078 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #381 of 1903 🔗

Just back from taking my car out for its weekly exercise. Delighted when passing a local school to see a huge crowd of school kids closely packed, unmasked, waiting to cross the busy road. At least one school sees sense – it is a private one so guess can be a bit more flexible.

251227 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to davews, 2, #382 of 1903 🔗

The primary school near me has been relatively sane as well.Its wonderful seeing them just being children and the teachers not being muzzled or wearing visors.

250938 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 14, #383 of 1903 🔗

All I read on today’s update are examples of politicians being ignorant or corrupt, with truth meaning nothing and our lives and liberties even less. We are well and truly shafted.

250986 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Achilles, 5, #384 of 1903 🔗

I forgot one other word…cowardly.

250939 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #385 of 1903 🔗

The Pandemic as the German War machine is apt. I have also felt that the industry falling in behind the whole sham – from stock market investors, companies ramping up capacity, purchasing manufacturing capacity, consulting firms, regulators and government departments – all backed by the massive capital injections from the BoE.

It’s created a bubble. A too big to fail initiative. When large companies make such bets they find it almost impossible to turn the ship around as it enters uncharted waters.

Either way, as always, the tax payer will pick up the tab and the wgaed worker will suffer most.

250951 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #386 of 1903 🔗

Oh and the masks companies, hand sanitisers, the converted engineering firms now making perspex screens. Even your local community groups now, instead of running events for those they serve, have set up mask making groups and encourage people to stay home save lives.

251004 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #387 of 1903 🔗

The mask making groups have become another way to virtue signal. I should know because I know someone who has been boasting about making muzzles as her craft project and from her sewing machine.

251086 ▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #388 of 1903 🔗

More fun to be had! Ask her about filtration; ask her about breathability; ask her about contra-indications of wearing masks made from the fabrics she’s chosen; ask her about whether they are able to be worn by people with sensive skin. Ask her if she puts a label on her masks stating specifically that it cannot protect against covid (because it most certainly can’t). Ask her if her house insurance has agreed to cover her for any issues caused by the masks she’s made (breathing in fibres, for example). Tell her you’ve heard of people who are suing homemade mask-makers because of these issues. These people wouldn’t think twice about having a go at you in a supermarket for not wearing a muzzle. Play them at their own game.

251229 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #389 of 1903 🔗

Good questions. And what about when they’re washed? What about the bobbles from the fabrics?

251281 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #390 of 1903 🔗

Oh yes! More pollution! And what about the fabrics she used to make these masks? New? Or her old bedlinen? Or old bedlinen found at a chazza? Can she GUARANTEE that she washed them enough that there were absolutely NO germs on them? If the fabrics were new, what about the coatings? Did she pre-wash before making the masks? All those dinky quilting fabrics come with sizing and other protective agents … wouldn’t want people breathing those in, now would we?

251328 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Miss Owl, #391 of 1903 🔗

Good questions and it got me thinking, whatever happened to the home made ones that were made during the first lockdown. Were they ever handed out or binned?

250949 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #392 of 1903 🔗

Its a joint effort to keep up the threats, against the people of this country. It really is like a world wide experiment to see what works. Different countries doing different things. Constant threats in this country, carrots and sticks. NZ stuck on their island, but, life goes on uninterrupted, while they think the outside world is being kept at bay they are ok with it, everything open, shops, theatre, cinema’s, schools, businesses, Family life.

250952 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 20, #394 of 1903 🔗

Honestly, are people really taking notice of what idiots like Hancock and Tim “nice but dim” Jenrick are saying anymore. The streets and roads are busy and people are mingling, only the old and silly are wearing masks. And as for Christmas, well, just try you loathsome commies..

250959 ▶▶ Will, replying to nickbowes, 8, #395 of 1903 🔗

Unfortunately, the pubs have to take notice of these arseholes and, the madness in our schools is symptomatic of the position of the lawyers and insurers, who actually run the country, because some clever dick thought it would be a good idea to allow no win; no fee.

250969 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Will, 5, #396 of 1903 🔗

I loved nothing more than going into a back street pub for a swift pint of “mild” at the bar, unfortunately (and as an ex Camra member) , not with the present diktats..

251042 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to nickbowes, 5, #397 of 1903 🔗

Yes -if you watch Midsummer Murders you get all nostalgic for the crowded pubs with standing rom only.

251014 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Will, 8, #398 of 1903 🔗

Exactly. We can only ignore what we are physically able to ignore which is nowhere near enough. I can’t force pubs, restaurants, concert halls to be open.
I am pleased to see everyday around here a lot of cars that don’t belong to the residents parked up on drives. I’m glad my neighbours seem to be having visitors.

251063 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steph, 6, #399 of 1903 🔗

This is the problem we face.How to translate the general disdain for the regulations into a movement to overturn every last one of them.

250953 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #400 of 1903 🔗

Anyone remotely excited about a vaccine for a cold virus that poses minimal risk to the majority of people and should be battled by allowing the healthy population to develop natural herd immunity should be VERY AWARE of the company boasting the “first successful vaccine”. They are utterly unscrupulous. Criminal. So far paid $4.7 billion in fines. $35 million alone in fines for taking bribes and kickbacks. It’s an expensive operation being a vile, murderous drug dealer – where do you think they get their revenue from. Wake up!
https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer

250963 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #401 of 1903 🔗

This is terrifying. Words (almost) fail me.

250971 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #402 of 1903 🔗

MPs should be told about this.

250987 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Basileus, 8, #403 of 1903 🔗

I sent it to Caroline Lucas last night. She has been engaging with me. Please send the link to your MP. However, it is widely known. Pharma companies just buy people’s silence. It’s a well-oiled machine. Do you know how many people chemotherapy kills? Offer it to people by all means but tell them the side effects!! No, that’s all been hushed up. What about the number of people killed by the polio vaccine in one trial? Go look that one up. You’ll cry!

251052 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #404 of 1903 🔗

I think also that because the side-effects are in teeny-tiny print, people equate this with the amount of risk associated with taking drugs. My late mum had every single side-effect associated with the horrible cocktail of drugs she was taking (and she was put on more drugs to counteract the effects of other drugs). It’s a bloody scandal and it’s criminal.

251068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to kh1485, 6, #405 of 1903 🔗

The scary thing is how widely known this is. Pharma companies have been hushing up and putting out fires for years. Who do you think pushes the “anti-vaxxer” label?! Most of us are not blanket “anti-vaxxers” we are SAFE vaxxers and totally against medicine for profit. Medicine for profit should be illegal. Public funds for public health ONLY. But it’s the biggest industry in the world. The poetic irony is that they normally do their dodgy testing on unsuspecting, innocent populations in Africa and India (look up number of deaths from HPV vaccine trials in young girls in India). This time, the hysteria is so hyped up, they will be getting enough willing volunteers for wealthier privileged classes. Leave them to it. As long as they leave the rest of us alone!

250979 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #406 of 1903 🔗

I upticked this but someone must have downticked at the same time as it’s still on zero.

Anyone not convinced of the dangers BigPharma poses should read books by Alison Bass, Side Effects: A Prosecutor, a Whistleblower, and a Bestselling Antidepressant on Trial ; Ben Goldacre: Bad Pharma and the many books by Peter Breggin (as mentioned on yesterday’s page).

251209 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 1, #407 of 1903 🔗

Great books to read

250998 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #408 of 1903 🔗

Jesus wept. This is bad and what’s worse is of course there are enough gullible and desperate people who will believe these snake oil salesmen.

251041 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #409 of 1903 🔗

Flag it up on Toby’s ‘got a story’ link.

251105 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #410 of 1903 🔗

People wouldn’t buy a used car from a company with a record like that. I took place in Pfizer drug test when on pain medication a few years ago, It was a total sham. The drug made me so ill I was hospitalised but it was never recorded as a side effect. I was said to have ‘dropped out for other reasons’. They are vile.

250954 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #411 of 1903 🔗

Don’t know if this has been posted before

Two veterans arrested on Remembrance Sunday

Our country is being eradicated

https://youtu.be/JxBI2fTZgMw

250978 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 2, #412 of 1903 🔗

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There is common ground with BLM. “Defund the police” has merit.

251037 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #413 of 1903 🔗

Disgraceful, notice how they did not try to mob wrestle the two big fellas to the ground as is their habit.

250955 NigelN, replying to NigelN, 3, #414 of 1903 🔗

Wales publishes its daily count by local authority ( https://public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary ).
There is a row at the bottom for those not resident in Wales, the significance of which became apparent in October when non-residents appeared in large numbers: the non-Welsh students.
Powys has always been rumoured to be unrealisticaly low as most of its hospital facilities are in England.

It should be clear to those using this data for setting lockdown policy that it is now of limited use. If it wasn’t, they should have asked.

251254 ▶▶ James Hargrave, replying to NigelN, #415 of 1903 🔗

For much of Powys, the principal English hospital is in Hereford, which is an area of very low incidence in any case; another favourite is in the rump of Monmouthshire, also a ‘low’ area; and Shrophsire is hardly plague-ridden for anyone sent off to Shrewsbury….

251696 ▶▶ annie, replying to NigelN, 1, #416 of 1903 🔗

Powys is a large, thinly populated rural area with only a modest tourist trade. Enough said.

250957 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 21, #417 of 1903 🔗

One briefly pleasant encounter just now in the dismal Central Belt: Sainsbury’s delivery brought to my door by an extremely pleasant young woman who told me that she enjoys her job.

We chatted while I collected all my stuff: she wasn’t wearing a mask!

A cheerful bare face to communicate with.

Little things mean such a lot now, in these benighted times.

251043 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to wendyk, 11, #418 of 1903 🔗

I was skateboarding in a local park yesterday when a beautiful older woman had a brief conversation with me.
Why did I think she was beautiful? Because of her smile and evident joy in life.
Probably laughing at the absurdity of a 40+ man skateboarding too.

251113 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #419 of 1903 🔗

Good for you,and her!

251670 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #420 of 1903 🔗

It’s great to be absurd and to be laughed at, in a nice way. And enjoying yourself is a must, in a world where THEY want you to be miserable.

251792 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to annie, 1, #421 of 1903 🔗

Yep, air in the lungs and a smile on my face. Can’t beat it.

250965 calchas, replying to calchas, 22, #422 of 1903 🔗

Many people talking about how illogical the ‘rules’ are.

Biderman in the 1950s developed a ‘coercion chart’, which I posted here on Saturday.This was the product of his studies of the psychological torture of US POWs in the Korean War.

One section of this is ‘Enforcing Trivial Demands’

  1. Develops habit of compliance.
  2. Reinforces who is in control
  3. Rules on compliance may change.
  4. Demands made are illogical and contradictory.

Does that sound familiar?

Having illogical, contradictory and ever-changing rules keeps the subject puzzled, frustrated and off-balance, unable to predict what may happen next.

250980 ▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #423 of 1903 🔗

It is easy to get caught up in discussing the illogicality and inconsistency of rules Why can’t I do this? Why must I do that?

Cut through the Gordian knot.

It’s all bullshit.

250984 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, 2, #424 of 1903 🔗

I’ve shown the screenshot of that chart to a number of people, it does not take much spelling out for them to see the similarities.
The greatest surprise is when I tell them it dates from the 1950’s.

251000 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to calchas, 3, #425 of 1903 🔗

Calchas, could you please repost that chart? I’d like to use it to show others too.

251006 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Melangell, 9, #426 of 1903 🔗
251020 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #427 of 1903 🔗

Here’s a relevant New Yort Times article, which shows how the tecniques described were also used at Guantanamo.

Guantanamo, was the last instance before this one, which I can find, where masks and anti-social distancing were enforced on people.

250970 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #429 of 1903 🔗

BBC R4 9am The Long View
Discussing Anti Vaxxers right now, disparaging probably a better word

250985 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to karenovirus, 5, #430 of 1903 🔗

They are already starting to call anti vaxxers “far right” in the msm and bbc.

251050 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to nickbowes, 5, #431 of 1903 🔗

Their favourite slur.

251087 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #432 of 1903 🔗

Damn. I thought they meant we are by far right. Terribly insulted now.

250995 ▶▶ calchas, replying to karenovirus, 14, #433 of 1903 🔗

An ‘anti-vaxxer’ used to be someone who was against all vaccinations, almost on principle.

Now, an ‘anti-vaxxer’ is someone, who questions any vaccine for any reason.

251015 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 4, #434 of 1903 🔗

Yes, we are being associated with anti vaxers.

251995 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., #435 of 1903 🔗

There’s something to be pleased about, anyway … 🙂

250972 wendyk, 12, #436 of 1903 🔗
250976 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #437 of 1903 🔗

As was warned we are moving to a faceless NHS. Broken leg? Been in a car crash? Phone ahead and we’ll book you a spot for your convenience

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54963437

250989 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #438 of 1903 🔗

Perhaps better described as a withdrawal of the A&E service.

251051 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #439 of 1903 🔗
251110 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #440 of 1903 🔗

In Worcestershire you are asked to pre book for A&E!

250982 davews, replying to davews, 12, #441 of 1903 🔗

No mention in today’s update of last night’s C4 programme on the test labs. Only saw a few snippets but what I did see confirmed my view that the labs are a shambles and strong evidence that all the false positives are very very real. No doubt the rest of the media will conveniently ignore it.

250999 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to davews, 13, #442 of 1903 🔗

Ignore it? Certainly they want as many cases as possible. I work for a major research lab which is probably the highest rated lab of its kind in the world (I can’t say more because I want to keep getting paid) and our biggest problem is getting quality lab staff, so where are they finding the staff for these labs?
I guess they are just whoever they can get from the employment agencies no experience of working in a lab no understanding of clean room procedures, no understanding of anything. They will be completely useless twats on minimum wage and temporary contracts.

251027 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #443 of 1903 🔗

Certainly. My memory from a long time ago now is that RNA contamination can happen extremely easily. No point wearing gloves if you scratch your nose!

251036 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to 6097 Smith W, 4, #444 of 1903 🔗

That’s exactly what Dispatches found; inexperienced staff, multiple examples of possibilities for cross contamination of swabs, (including infecting the staff working there), preferment of private business paying for results over the ordinary test centre swabs, leading to backlogs and test centre results waiting more than 24 hours, and inefficient process so that test centre swabs from England were sent to N Ireland, thus also increasing turn around times. It looked like an omni-shambles.

251703 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to 6097 Smith W, #445 of 1903 🔗

Useless twats?Ideal for the job.

251107 ▶▶ leggy, replying to davews, 4, #446 of 1903 🔗

Mrs leggy is a retired geneticist who used to perform a lot of PCR with respect to plant genetics. She watched the programme and called me in with a “Come and look at this!”.

She was absolutely shocked by the practices she saw. I paraphrase but:

“Any scientist watching this, regardless of their branch of expertise, must surely now question the entire validity of this testing. If they don’t, then that’s extremely worrying”.

Put it all into context with the known high CT (you can find anything in anyone) and the entire thing descends far beyond farce.

251154 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to leggy, 2, #447 of 1903 🔗

Would Mrs Leggy write for us here?

251327 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to wendyk, 1, #448 of 1903 🔗

I can but ask.

251247 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to leggy, 3, #449 of 1903 🔗

The bar was set when they never classified and measured Covid-19 with sufficient precision. When they changed reporting and left it up to doctor’s own judgement without allowing for elimination tests.

The vaguery of symptoms and broad attribution all violate Popper’s rules on falsification, a bedrock of modern science.

But then if you want to say black is white and 2+2=5 it was perfect.

251198 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to davews, 5, #450 of 1903 🔗

Saw this Dispatches C4 program by chance.

They uncovered serious cronyism and the award of 100s of millions of Pounds contracts without Parliamentary scrutiny. Dido Harding is on the board of the jockey club, also involved at Newmarket races and very well connected to Hancock (it is in his constituency). Hancock is also heavily involved with Newmarket races and obviously connect with Dido there (they did not talk about in in the program).

There is also a crony connection with the Random Laboratories in Northern Ireland.

Serco is also on the take, multi-million contract awarded to them, but they outsourced it to a lot of other companies, some debt collection agencies. As it is taxpayers money, they tried to establish who these ‘other companies’ were. PHE did not want to provide the information and when they contacted Serco, they also stated that they will not provide the information.

Are we talking about major fraud and enrichment?

Not to worry , Dido’s husband is the Tory MP John Penrose and has been serving as the UK Anti-Corruption Champion since 2017; he will obviously make sure any fraudulent activity is immediately eliminated and the wastage of our tax money will be stopped

251383 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Victoria, 1, #451 of 1903 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/15/chumocracy-covid-revealed-shape-tory-establishment
Handy graphics of the spider webs in yesterday’s Guardian, with figures in the contract values.

250990 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 8, #452 of 1903 🔗

Just listening to the Piers Morgan interview with Hancock – it is hilarious – Hancock comes across as a complete idiot.

251012 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to Ozzie, 7, #453 of 1903 🔗

Just the image of those two ghouls was enough for me.

251013 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ozzie, 3, #454 of 1903 🔗

That’s because he is!

251286 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Ozzie, 2, #455 of 1903 🔗

Two of the most odious men to walk this planet, that takes some doing to reach those dizzy heights!.

251437 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ozzie, 1, #456 of 1903 🔗

Too generous – ‘incomplete idiot’.

250991 Danny, replying to Danny, 16, #457 of 1903 🔗

I see that the propaganda machine is going full steam ahead for effectively banning xmas now. Sage and public health England telling us that if we dare to imagine we can see our families for Xmas, (let alone flatlining the economy) think again.
Will this insanity never end?

250996 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Danny, 9, #458 of 1903 🔗

Ignore them for now, then chase them, then put them in front of a peoples court, then look forward to seeing them on the scaffold..

251019 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Danny, 12, #459 of 1903 🔗

I’m still of the opinion that there will be some opening up for Christmas.I can’t see the Government attempting to enforce a lockdown,which most people will ignore and is impossible to police.
That being said I can see the messaging coming out of sage and elsewhere and fully expect us to be back in lockdown in the New year.

251026 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #460 of 1903 🔗

My thoughts exactly.

251115 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #461 of 1903 🔗

For “not following the rules” over Christmas.

251023 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Danny, 2, #462 of 1903 🔗

That will be on johnsons instructions, he will emerge from isolation as The Man Who Saves Xmas for a Grateful Nation.

251053 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 3, #463 of 1903 🔗

There’s a ditch he can die in.

251033 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Danny, 4, #464 of 1903 🔗

Presumably Parliament will soon need to consider what happens after this current lock-down ends. I am currently drafting a report to my MP with the aim of challenging the whole concept of Public Health action by Statutory Instruments formulated under the Public Health act.
My report ignores any consideration of cases/dodgy test results on the basis that any consideration of legal Public Health action should be solely based on serious hospital cases and deaths. In my view on both those counts the case for continuing statutory action against this virus is looking very threadbare.
You do not seem to be able to attach documents to these comments otherwise I would have attached it.
But anyway with a decision coming up soon I think we need to do all we can to challenge the whole idea of Public Health action by legal statutory instruments, it is unprecedented in my lifetime and is now not justified by the current situation.

251197 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #465 of 1903 🔗

Politicians don’t work for us. They work instead for the ruling class, the billionaires

The greedy careerists among them naively believe a seat is reserved for them at the World Economic Forum’s table

251047 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Danny, 8, #466 of 1903 🔗

Do you see how they’re doing it? This was obvious weeks ago. They were banging away about “saving Christmas”. Which in the greater scheme of things is a total irrelevance. But now everyone is having that same conversation. They must save Christmas, it’s for the kids, whatever. And when they announce two days off it’ll be greeted with cheers. Then they’ll lock you down again.

251061 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #467 of 1903 🔗

For me Christmas has always been saved. I will do exactly what I want to do. I have stopped listing to anything the government says in about ….March?.. Nobody can tell me who I can have or not in my own fucking house !!

250992 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #468 of 1903 🔗

“It’s not funny, it’s not fr****n’ funny.

I’ve had enough of that ‘if you don’t laugh you’ll cry’.

“I’ve heard it for years. This stupid soddin’ city’s full of it.

“Why don’t you fight back, you b*****d? Fight back.

Boys from the Black Stuff

251102 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cecil B, #469 of 1903 🔗

If only we could stage an introduction between ‘Shake Hands’ and that pathological liar and bald tyre extraordinaire Hankook, now that would be well worth watching!

251975 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #470 of 1903 🔗

“I’m desperate, Dan.”. An all time great line.

251005 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 11, #471 of 1903 🔗

Hancock stated that asymptomatic people pass on COVID – I thought that this was incorrect. Evidence in an academic paper that I have seen suggests that this doesn’t happen. Anyone know if this does happen?

251031 ▶▶ steph, replying to Ozzie, 7, #472 of 1903 🔗

We all know he doesn’t have to tell the truth. Nobody in the MSM will challenge the lie.

251054 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Ozzie, 12, #473 of 1903 🔗

Of course if asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic transmission doesn’t occur, or only does so with minimal viral load which doesn’t cause significant issues in anyone with any sort of working immune system, then it confirms most of the interventions are meaningless (and in some cases harmful) apart from staying at home if you have covid symptoms, and perhaps testing and completely separating symptomatic covid+ and other patients in hospitals, and similar measures in care homes.

Masks (regardless of their general non-efficacy) are irrelevant as you won’t be out of your home if you have symptoms.

And no need to quarantine if coming from abroad or isolate if someone in the household has symptoms, unless or until you yourself get symptoms

Closing pubs and restaurants is irrelevant as you won’t be in the pub if you have symptoms. And so social distancing and disinfecting protocols are broadly irrelevant too.

Stopping the meeting others in their houses will be irrelevant as you don’t meet up if someone has covid like symptoms.

And so on.

So the government have to keep on with the asymptomatic transmission position despite the very weak evidence of it happening (some Chinese publications which have been questioned I understand).

And if the government had just said stay at home if you have symptoms, and we will support you financially if you do, then assuming asymptomatic transmission isn’t of any material relevance and people do stay at home when with symptoms, then that would be all that was needed.

It’s a simple but very plausible explanation of the evidence that lockdowns don’t work.

251151 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #474 of 1903 🔗

Great post. So true

251060 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ozzie, 12, #475 of 1903 🔗

When this asymptomatic nonsense first started getting brought up, I looked into it and found this paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646474/

The conclusion tells you what we already know:

A better understanding of transmission dynamics is essential in influenza pandemic planning. If a substantial proportion of transmission were to occur during the presymptomatic phase or from asymptomatic individuals, then infection control measures such as contact tracing and quarantine of exposures will be of limited value, in addition to constraints based on the short serial interval for influenza transmission. However, we have found limited evidence to suggest the importance of such transmission. The role of asymptomatic or presymptomatic influenza-infected individuals in disease transmission may have been overestimated in recent articles dealing with pandemic planning. More definitive influenza transmission studies are needed.

A mate commented on the farce yesterday. He asked if a year ago you could imagine making this phone call:

“Morning boss, I’m not coming in to today. I’ve got the flu, but I don’t have any symptoms”.

251066 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Ozzie, 3, #476 of 1903 🔗

Back in May or June WHO said asymptomatic transmission was very rare, it was quickly suppressed!

251071 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ozzie, 3, #477 of 1903 🔗

Early on, Fauci said :

In all the history of respiratory-borne viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks.

The WHO have been very vague on the topic. Here’s the latest I can find on who.int (dated 2020-07-09):

Four individual studies from Brunei, Guangzhou China, Taiwan China and the Republic of Korea found that between 0% and 2.2% of people with asymptomatic infection infected anyone else, compared to 0.8%-15.4% of people with symptoms.

It’s also important to distinguish between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic. Here’s the WHO again :

“What is the difference between people who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic? Don’t they both mean someone without symptoms?

Yes, both terms refer to people who do not have symptoms. The difference is that asymptomatic refers to people who are infected but never develop symptoms during the period of infection while pre-symptomatic refers to infected people who have not yet developed symptoms but do go on to develop symptoms later.

This distinction is important for public health strategies to control transmission. For example, laboratory data suggests that people might be the most infectious at or around the time they develop symptoms. Therefore, in WHO’s case investigation and contact tracing guidance, it is recommended that people be considered ‘contacts’ if they had contact with an infected person from 2 days before that he/she developed symptoms.”

251091 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ozzie, 3, #478 of 1903 🔗

Without “asymptomatic transmission” the whole house of cards falls down.

251238 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Adamb, 3, #479 of 1903 🔗

It really does. I asked my local council covid idiots about whether they could provide me with ONE peer reviews bit of evidence that clearly shows asymptomatic transmission of SARS2CoV has happened between people. I bet they they cannot provide any clear evidence.

Not that that matters, I am sure they will just ignore me or palm me of with some old bollocks.

251379 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ozzie, 2, #480 of 1903 🔗

The World Health Organisation stated that asymptomatic transmission is “very rare” and added that they did not know of any definitely confirmed case.

However, Professor Boris Johnson told parliament that seventy percent of the transmission of the virus is asymptomatic. He did not cite any evidence, but he did add the nice rhetorical flourish: “as you all know” which means it must be true.

251016 wendyk, 15, #481 of 1903 🔗

“Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am — not stuck in the middle, but hovering above the entire farcical spectrum, weeping as I behold my fellow man’s devotion to political illusion and self-destruction.”
― Robert Higgs

251018 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #482 of 1903 🔗

Volunteers needed:
https://www.covid19assembly.org/volunteer

We have just made a number of arrangements with leading anti-lockdown groups that should see Covid19 Assembly become the leading centre for resources for such groups in the world.

​This is a great opportunity to play a major part in bringing an end to lockdowns and related measures around the world. We will create and curate content targeted at various groups such as politicians, journalists and normal, everyday people.

In order to do this we need more volunteers who can either write or edit original or existing content or are interested in researching and cataloging existing material.

​There are many other ways you could help such as: proof-reading, researching specific topics or finding references, researching specific sources, contacting contributors and managing their input, etc.

​All levels of experience and ability are acceptable. The most important thing is enthusiasm!

If you can’t volunteer, you could help by making a small donation here .

Thanks

Covid19 Assembly

251184 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cheezilla, #483 of 1903 🔗

I have volunteered for this- anyone else?

251296 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Cheezilla, #484 of 1903 🔗

Thank you – have sent them a message.

251430 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #485 of 1903 🔗

Sorry to be negative, but I find myself a little sceptical about this group. They have been around for weeks and only sent out a few emails. Their website is not much more than a set of placeholders which has changed very little over the weeks. Would someone who represents them care to make a defence?

251972 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, #486 of 1903 🔗

I don’t represent them, but things like this take time, resources, and effort to set up and get running.

251028 Stuart, 5, #487 of 1903 🔗

I recall Boris once claimed that he was “bursting with spunk” and no doubt believes antibodies and spunk are one and the same thing, having had the benefit of a classical education.

251034 calchas, 5, #488 of 1903 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6S17AEci08&feature=emb_logo

Woman tasered and arrested after refusing to put on a mask as a spectator at an outdoor sporting event in Ohio, USA.

251045 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 29, #489 of 1903 🔗

Anyone here getting fed up with being treated by family, friends and colleagues as lepers? Of course they will deny this and claim that they’re doing this to protect you but the cynic in me wonders if they’re using the ‘rona as an excuse not to socialise with you or avoid you altogether. I’m reaching the point now where I can do without with certain people.

251065 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #490 of 1903 🔗

Sadly, I’m at that point too. I wonder if some of my friendships were ever friendships at all.

251074 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Moomin, 6, #491 of 1903 🔗

True and it brings to mind that saying that goes that you find out who the real friends are in times of crisis.

251084 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Moomin, 12, #492 of 1903 🔗

I try and see it as an opportunity to learn about peoples true nature. I have learnt more about some people in the last 6 months then I had learned in the last 20 years of knowing them.

251095 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 20, #493 of 1903 🔗

My relatives barely communicate now.

Most depressingly, the friend with whom I do regular walks-a Nicola follower and lockdown adherent-opined yesterday, when I recounted the tale of the hapless London pastor :

https://www.mylondon.news/news/uk-world-news/this-essential-service-provide-police-19284735

that he should have followed the rules.

So, I find myself, an atheist, supporting the pastor, while she, a committed Christian condemns him.

The world has turned upside down.

251126 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 13, #494 of 1903 🔗

Agree that the world has turned upside down.

I read that story and whilst not a believer I applaud that pastor who has been true to the message of Christ than the spineless cowards in the Church of England.

251727 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 3, #495 of 1903 🔗

‘ Committed Christian’ now usually means ‘committed Covidian’.

251104 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #496 of 1903 🔗

Yep. I was dumped by someone I considered to be a friend. Someone who kept banging on about what her grandfather fought for in the war. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have fought for *this*. She thinks I am beyond the pale because this disease is “killing baybees” and I am not taking it seriously enough. Since I called her with an expression of regret over the recent theft at her shop (thought I would do the decent thing despite her being pretty horrible to me), I have heard nothing further from her. Nice.

251128 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 13, #497 of 1903 🔗

The reaction to this virus will be killing plenty of babies in the third world due to economic deprivation and lack of access to vaccinations that are tried and tested (as opposed to the present attempts at warding off an illness with an IFR no worse than a bad flu season).

251139 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #498 of 1903 🔗

And we’re seeing this in developing countries where infanticide could be making a comeback, children being pulled out of school to go to work and desperate adults turning to prostitution.

251147 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #499 of 1903 🔗

Indeed. Very worrying!

251165 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 6, #500 of 1903 🔗

It is. I was reminded of charities lobbying for the boycott of clothing factories in Bangladesh years ago. A few months’ later, a charity visited to see how everything was going and to their horror they found that many former employees had turned to prostitution and drug muling to get by.

251724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #501 of 1903 🔗

It’s a prime example of selfish ‘conscience’. It doesn’t cost you a dime, and you go about in a comfortable glow of virtue, while the people actually affected go to perdition.

251189 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #502 of 1903 🔗

I know, but she doesn’t give a damn about that.

251130 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #503 of 1903 🔗

Very sorry to hear that.

I have a friend who while I appreciate that she’s been making the effort to chat online has not been willing to meet in person while is happy to meet others. I’ve decided to pull back and any plans for future meetings when this is all over in abeyance.

251127 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #504 of 1903 🔗

This happened tome during the first lockdown. My best friend deserted me, my cleaner fled and the only person I saw was a church lady who carried the heavy rubbish out for me at great speed. This time my new cleaning lady is coming as normal amd my new friend is willing to visit.

251142 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #505 of 1903 🔗

Very sad to hear that but at least you’ve found new friends.

251143 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #506 of 1903 🔗

Not quite treated as a leper, but more an annoyance. I have half the family who are sceptical but compliant. No matter what information is put in front of them they will not read it, they simply glaze over or change the topic. They really don’t want to know.

the other half are a combination of zealots and ostriches. Both want to avoid anything unpleasant so go along with the narrative. The more I show them the deeper they shove their heads in the sand.

It has been a fascinating and infuriating few months in terms of human behaviour. If I wasn’t already sceptical about the attitudes and intelligence of the ‘herd’ I think I would have had nervous breakdown by now.

Final note: If what we are all seeing and experiencing is something akin to what the elites see when they look at the masses then I can understand (up to a point) any inclination some of them may have for population control/reduction. Most of the people around us are literally NPC’s.

251242 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #507 of 1903 🔗

I got thrown out of my family’s What’s App group because I keep posting ” dangerous , covid denier, anti vaxxer , wacko propaganda” according to my sister in law. Well…there it is…I guess at least my wife tolerates me and she is getting to the sceptic side more and more.

251313 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #508 of 1903 🔗

Probably better for you not to be in that group. If your SIL thinks you’re a denier and a wacko, what will she say when the shit finally hits the fan for her and its too late?

252689 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #509 of 1903 🔗

One good thing about Covid has been that my sister in law no longer speaks to me after a row over it. She is a truly horrible woman and always has been so its a blessing not to have to ever see her again. She is a total zombie and has not been out of the house since February. Well thats a gain for the world!

251255 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #510 of 1903 🔗

Absolutely, I must say though that over the past say 20 years, I have become more and more cynical and distrustful of people. There are far too many selfish morons who only want or need you when it suits them or you fit into their agenda. In my case this includes family not just so called friends. I will clarify that I am a decent and caring person and therefore can get really upset at being treated like crap.

Sorry for my woe is me post, not in a good place today.

251493 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mrs issedoff, 4, #511 of 1903 🔗

I know how you feel because like you I can get rather upset if I’m being treated like crap.Agree with you as well about people who will only want and need you when it suits them or fits their agenda. I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t fit these agendas so best to pull back and let the friendship die a natural death.

I was reading an article where that Countryfile lady was claiming that this pandemic has brought out the best in people. To which I would reply bollocks and poppycock.

252690 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #512 of 1903 🔗

How can anyone seriously think that with all the swerving and snitching and intolerance?

251322 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #513 of 1903 🔗

Due to the on-going psy-op on people’s minds over the last 20 years I don’t have any friends and I don’t really talk to my extended family. My relationship with my brother and parents is not good either. They believe…..

I don’t really exist.

251501 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 1, #514 of 1903 🔗

Have not really spoken to my family either and have pretty much unfollowed them on anti-social media as you can imagine how all hell will break loose if I make a comment about muzzles and especially a 5 and 3 year old kid having to wear them.

252692 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, #515 of 1903 🔗

Such wickedness making small children wear them.

252691 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, #516 of 1903 🔗

You dont really need them….I have ditched my brother over this…sod them.

251450 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #517 of 1903 🔗

Pretty much found out all my ‘friends’ were in name only. Thankfully, I have a very close family.

252693 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to JHuntz, #518 of 1903 🔗

I have found family are much worse than friends!

251719 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #519 of 1903 🔗

I can do without zombies.I’m doing just fine without zombies.

252064 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 1, #520 of 1903 🔗

True. Unfortunately i have to work with some of them.

252696 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Bart Simpson, #521 of 1903 🔗

We’ve dropped quite a few people over this Covidiocy after being drawn into mask arguments (of course they work, you’re just selfish!) and pro-lockdown arguments “to be safe!). Sick of the whole sniveling lot.

251048 calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #522 of 1903 🔗

Packed stadium of maskless fans in China;

https://twitter.com/RadioSavana/status/1327167016457957376

251064 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to calchas, 2, #524 of 1903 🔗

They are laughing at the West!

251185 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, #525 of 1903 🔗

But they’re tracked, traced and controlled by China’s social credit system. They’re not free

251411 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ben, #526 of 1903 🔗

Neither are we

251055 Danny, #527 of 1903 🔗

Can anyone point me in the direction of a concise and objective table of mortality probability by age and comorbidity for the UK that is up to date please.
I saw one for Scotland, and obviously have out of date versions.
It seems that printing this off and flyposting is the only way to go, as so many people genuinely believe this to be far worse than it is.

251057 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to calchas, 6, #529 of 1903 🔗

Logic went out the window months ago

251058 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to calchas, 7, #530 of 1903 🔗

There goes my alcohol-free evening.

251732 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, 1, #531 of 1903 🔗

3 months ago. No harm in laughing at it again, I guess.

251059 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #532 of 1903 🔗

Don’t know if it’s been posted on here yet. The video was on Column UK yesterday

A 19year old female arrested in Truro

She was addressing a small group of people.

Was she inciting the group to attack the police…. No

Was she advocating revolution …….. No

In measured tones she was stating that the arts and creativity are central to the human condition and should not be banned

For this crime against the dictatorship she was dragged off by the Stasi

She was held in a cell for 24 hours

Whilst in custody she was interrogated at length, presumably in an effort to get her to denounce other art lovers

Below is the email address of the Police and Crime Commissioner for Devon and Cornwall

If you do nothing else today stand in Solidarity with this courageous young lady and e mail

opcc@devonandcornwall.pnn.police.uk

251072 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 17, #533 of 1903 🔗

That (maskless! lol) hyped-up little fascist copper bawling at everyone to stay back while they abduct the innocent teenage girl in the name of the state? That’s Mr Britain, 2020.

251081 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #534 of 1903 🔗

Do you have a link for the video(s)

The hyped up one was actually an Inspector (braid on his cap peak) although it is difficult to tell as he was hiding his insignia (I wonder why? I to would be ashamed of myself I behaved like that)

251103 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #536 of 1903 🔗
251122 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #537 of 1903 🔗

Watch from 39.10. The Police Inspector is hysterical and keeps shouting ‘a bubbles been formed’ before attacking people

He clearly has mental health problems. He should not be in uniform let alone in charge

251200 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Cecil B, 5, #538 of 1903 🔗

Yes,there is something seriously wrong with him,in fact there is something seriously wrong with a lot of coppers all over the country.From the videos I have seen,the uncalled for aggression,which often seems to appear out of nowhere in an instant and the robotic lack of humanity and empathy implies the use of some kind of behaviour altering substance to me.

251418 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Paul, 1, #539 of 1903 🔗

that substance being our education system or lack thereof

251851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JHuntz, #540 of 1903 🔗

A thousand times YES

251096 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #541 of 1903 🔗

I know, disgusting. I’m convinced the police are being fed drugs or it’s the mask that turns people into some sort of animal, lack of oxygen, common purpose indoctrination???. Also see the community police officer talking to the chap videoing the situation. She is clearly working from a script, hiding behind her mask, complete lack of empathy, human feeling, sympathy. Sad.

Do these police realise they are being manipulated and used. Surely they have families.

251174 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 7, #542 of 1903 🔗

Decades ago the Guardian would publish articles about these types of abuses in China

251149 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #543 of 1903 🔗

Cops on steroids

251320 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 3, #544 of 1903 🔗

I think they are, imo during lockup they have been trained and brainwashed into fighting us. No longer the ‘boys in blue’ dress them like soldiers and they act like soldiers.

251389 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to wendyk, 2, #545 of 1903 🔗

They’ve been like that for years look back to the miners strikes in the 80s and how football fans are treated now they’re coming for the general public

252341 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to tonyspurs, #546 of 1903 🔗

Remember the Beanfield attack on the crusties, savage.

251808 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to wendyk, #547 of 1903 🔗

Now the Guardian regards China as the fount of all rational political sense

251106 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cecil B, 6, #548 of 1903 🔗

Do we have any idea what specific law she was held under? was it one of the Public Health act statutory instruments? There was a post yesterday which I cannot now find about your rights etc. under these statutory instruments, I am not a great demonstrator but if I was going to anything I think it would be as well to have a good idea of the legal position. The whole legal case for all these actions is looking quite shaky to my mind.

251170 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 2, #549 of 1903 🔗

I hope this story is picked up on and shared around the world.

Public respect for the Police is being tested

251301 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 2, #550 of 1903 🔗

The UK Column covered this yesterday.

The young woman arrested got charged with:

Encouraging/Assist in the Comission of an either way offence believing it will be comimitted-Serious Crime Act 2007

Bail conditions: Not to Facilitate Encourage or actively promote the breach of COVID_19 Restrictions

Bail conditions: To prevent further offences and protect the public

251821 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Two-Six, 1, #551 of 1903 🔗

May she ignore those conditions and continue to live her life as she wishes, and may the zombies who attacked and kidnapped her suffer the consequences

252327 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Cecil B, #552 of 1903 🔗

This is really shocking and deserves a headline here tomorrow.
The police are picking off brave dissidents from small groups with of course MSM complicity.
On talk radio this pm Lawrence Fox said he was prepared to defy the rules and be arrested at a demo if we stay locked down in December .
We need to stand up and be counted pursue the police bullies in the courts for damages.
Appears they now accept the police fines are unenforceable.

252337 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Cecil B, #553 of 1903 🔗

Done..

251067 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 3, #554 of 1903 🔗

Anyone else think that Hancock is being teed up as the fall guy in Boris’ absence?

251073 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Moomin, 9, #555 of 1903 🔗

No. It is the nation and all its citizens that are being teed up for a fall. Our politicians have already crowned themselves kings and the people have clapped and cheered.

251075 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Moomin, 7, #556 of 1903 🔗

Unless he’s going to be shoved out of a plane at 20,000 feet with no parachute, the odious little oik won’t be falling far enough.

251092 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Moomin, 5, #557 of 1903 🔗

Agreed; I’ve suspected for some time now that he’s being set up as the Useful Idiot, the Fall Guy who can be ridiculed and pilloried-rightly so-while his wily colleagues figure out a way out of the mess.

Deniability has always been favoured in establishment circles the world over.

251098 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Moomin, 6, #558 of 1903 🔗

No. He’s a monster. I thought originally that he was just going to be a “useful idiot” who would take the rap but I’ve moved away from that position. My next thought was that he was wicked, but I fear I have moved beyond that to the view that he is evil. I fear he is actively promoting misery and death. He frightens me.

251140 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Moomin, 3, #559 of 1903 🔗

If he is, he deserves it, for being such a massive tool

251070 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #560 of 1903 🔗

A really good update today. Guy de la Bédoyère’s interesting thoughts permit me to post the Corbett Report’s emmense work on the out break of WW1. It goes into detail of how the war was contrived and by who, parallels to today can be drawn as Guy does. It is thought provoking and well researched.
https://www.corbettreport.com/wwi/

251256 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, #561 of 1903 🔗

It’s sad that we are only taught such a basic narrow view of WW1 and WW2 in the UK and that this is reinforced by the mainstream media.

251076 captainbeefheart, 3, #562 of 1903 🔗

Google Maps: Centi-billionaire edition

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251077 Sam Vimes, 6, #563 of 1903 🔗

Readers, try our great, fun puzzle!

The restrictions will cease to have effect 28 days from the date on which these Regulations are made.

Change ‘law’ into ‘lie’ by changing one letter at a time…

251082 Ben, replying to Ben, 36, #564 of 1903 🔗

UK Government has made life under ‘Covid’ unlivable. Human suffering is catastrophic.

Whilst assisted suicide and humane methods of ending life are illegal we can still die of poverty, hunger, loneliness, cancelled medical treatment, homelessness, despair and desperation

There is no place for humanity in the Great Reset
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251134 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 19, #565 of 1903 🔗

Millions do care, but don’t know what to do about it

251136 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Ben, 2, #566 of 1903 🔗

motto

251088 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #567 of 1903 🔗

Re: Fear Starmers call to ban all “anti vax” voices. How does this work within the Labour Parties drive to make Big Pharma more transparent? Seems a bit conflicted to me..

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Medicines-For-The-Many.pdf

251100 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #568 of 1903 🔗

Slightly off topic, but I’m still revolted by the Labour Party’s “for the many” trope and wearily unsurprised that they’re continuing it under Starmer, who after all worked so hard to get Corbyn elected PM. It’s such a short journey from that slogan to actual genocide. “For the many, not the few. Exclude the few. Blame the few. Feel good about yourself because you’re not one of the few. Denounce the few. Punish the few. Make the world a lovelier, kinder, gentler place. Exterminate the few.”
The Labour Party is still repulsive.

251089 Don't say much, replying to Don't say much, 3, #569 of 1903 🔗

I thought at the time, that my home town was making a rod for it’s own back. The results appear to be:
Positive tests 0.4%
Acknowledged error rate 0.4%
Prevalence in population that has previously triggered tier 3 lockdown 400 per 100,000. I.e. 0.4%.

As far as I can see, as long as it keeps mass testing, Liverpool can never come out of lockdown.

251298 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Don't say much, 3, #570 of 1903 🔗

It’s a PCR test pandemic or casedemic. The sheeple are too stupid to ask what a case is

251090 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 10, #571 of 1903 🔗

“In terms of the unfavourable comparison of Sweden to the death rates of its neighbours”

Whenever this comes up can we bridge and compare Belgium to Germany and the Netherlands.

IT’s time to nail this particular framing trickery once and for all.

251141 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #572 of 1903 🔗

Even the comparison to it’s neighbours doesn’t hold water though. I checked euromomo yesterday and Sweden has better than average all cause mortality than Norway and Denmark right now. All three are on or about the baseline. Only Finland is doing significantly better and that’s not “covid related” because it’s all cause.

251152 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #573 of 1903 🔗

A very good comparator for Sweden is Scotland. Similar climate/latitude. Similar density, with a populated bit & then loads of nothing. Sweden has 2x the population but not hugely different.

251413 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #574 of 1903 🔗

Plus – other differences in factors:

Higher immigrant population in Sweden than rest of Scandi.

Larger care homes.

Many care home workers worked at multiple homes – spreaders.

Previous winter in Sweden was also milder I think, in terms of deaths, than in other Scandinavian countries – ‘tinder effect’.

251097 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #575 of 1903 🔗

Re Masks at school

Notice of Liability for Schools

You can serve this notice to your school principal/head

 This document can be downloaded, though in PDF, you can copy and paste the contents into a word document to add the necessary personal and relevant information.

https://covileaks.co.uk/the-documents?fbclid=IwAR2MerXfa3-AGAi_bey8f5Z2KlQYLRiiCsbMYwYoJ_VOjPDbvChBx0ZBE_g

251109 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Victoria, 5, #576 of 1903 🔗

If you have permitted the school to force your child to wear a face covering you have already failed as a parent. Trying to make the school liable for the harm caused is not going to protect your child from harm.

251293 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 5, #577 of 1903 🔗

It makes me wonder if teachers and schools actually hate children

If I had a child I would not allow a school to damage my child’s emotional and physical health with face masks

251101 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #578 of 1903 🔗
251173 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #579 of 1903 🔗

Yikes … is that journalist trying to get the elites’ attention or what?

251213 ▶▶ dpj, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #580 of 1903 🔗

I can’t disagree with anything she says, truth obviously hurts!

251108 GCarty80, replying to GCarty80, 1, #581 of 1903 🔗

I suspect the notion that Sweden’s Covid policy was predicated on herd immunity was a myth believed largely by non-Swedish lockdown sceptics. It’s more likely that the Swedes believed that whatever restrictions they passed would have to be sustainable until there was a vaccine, because harsher restrictions would merely postpone deaths until after the restrictions were lifted (especially if they had such an effect on mental health that people went nuts when they were lifted).

Perhaps Sweden’s harder line now is because they understand that the falling case and death rates in spring were largely due to the seasonality of the illness (which is why they’re increasing now even though Sweden hasn’t really relaxed any of its restrictions) and that harder restrictions will save lives as well as being tolerated by the public because we’re so much closer to a vaccine now.

251161 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to GCarty80, 3, #582 of 1903 🔗

It’s just stronger recommendations in one area isn’t it? I get MSM and bedwetters are creaming themselves at hearing this but it’s hardly a massive departure from what is already in place.

251206 ▶▶ calchas, replying to GCarty80, 3, #583 of 1903 🔗

Euromomo shows all cause mortality in Sweden flatlining.

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Coronaviruses are seasonal, which means that more people will die after having ‘tested positive’.

Doesn’t mean they died of something called covid-19.

There is no evidence that an illness ‘covid-19’ is increasing in frequency, or that it even still exists.

251250 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to calchas, 4, #584 of 1903 🔗

all cause mortality in sweden currently running below 5 year average

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Sweden#cite_note-hitta-statistik-308

251323 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to steve_w, 3, #585 of 1903 🔗

This October saw the 2nd lowest number of deaths for an October here – in the whole of Swedish history!

251315 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to GCarty80, 4, #586 of 1903 🔗

Giesecke seemed to think it would be a long time before there was any kind of truly effective vaccine and did not think tighter lockdowns would solve anything.

It will be interesting to see what happens if Löfven passes his law *despite* falling ICU levels and with deaths being below average, and with him clearly being in disagreement with Tegnell. Also how Swedes will take this..many do not actually do any research for themselves.

I suspect Löfven has been emboldened by Biden’s ‘victory’ in the election – the media here is very anti-Trump.. (though if you talk to a lot of Swedes, there are more pro-Trump people than the media would lead you to believe)

251114 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #587 of 1903 🔗

ONS weekly mortality just out

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

slight rise on last week. would not warrant a single measure in any normal year

251157 ▶▶ Ben, replying to steve_w, 2, #588 of 1903 🔗

Quality of life doesn’t matter though

251653 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to steve_w, #589 of 1903 🔗

What counts as slight? Mortality is 20% (1900) above 10-year mean, 1200 above 10-year historic maximum. Mortality will continue to grow for another week or two until Tiers and Lockdown play out up to 25-50% above mean.

252007 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to djaustin, #590 of 1903 🔗

Are we now seeing the rise in deaths caused by delayed/nonexistent treatment for cancer, heart conditions etc during 1st lockdown?

252016 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Felice, #591 of 1903 🔗

.

252045 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Felice, #592 of 1903 🔗

Not yet, CV deaths have remained stable. Oncology will rise, but this is following mortality from deaths withing 28 days of test for COVID19

251117 Mark, replying to Mark, 14, #593 of 1903 🔗

It’s very noticeable that with the vaccine push beginning in earnest, resistance is now being responded to much more regularly with accusations of being “anti-vaxxer”, even if vaccination itself is not part of the immediate conversation. This is of course no accident or chance occurrence.

We must always bear in mind that:

1 Broadcast and print media, as well as the BBC operate as propaganda vehicles for the elites who run them, and for the government when it is in line with those establishment views;

2 The panic response to covid is driven by professionals in behavioural manipulation and propaganda with essentially unlimited state funding and the power of the state behind them;

3 The technique and process of smearing and delegitimising dissenters is well established, and one the BBC and other manipulative bodies and outlets have used for half a century and more against those with politically incorrect opinions that the establishment wished to suppress. “Anti-vax” and “far right” are essentially the same as “sexist”, “racist”, “homophobe” etc used by the BBC since the mid-C20th.

The technique is basically one of systematically flexible meaning. When the smear terms are being constructed and in order to imbue them with sufficiently demonic evilness in the popular eye, they are applied to the worst, most extreme, irrational, nasty or outright evil cases. Then, with the negative connotations in place, the definition is expanded to include the moderates with views that are intended to be demonised by association. The attitudes, structures and policies set up to deal with the extreme cases can then be applied to those moderates, or they can be intimidated by the threat of that being done. If the unreasonableness of this is pointed out, the definition retreats to the safe ground of the worst cases. “Don’t you think these people are bad and should be controlled? You must be one of them, or a sympathiser.”. It’s a form of the fallacy known as motte and bailey

In the case of anti-vax, much of the demonisation work has already been done in the course of past political contests over vaccination policy.

The force of this attack should not be underestimated, merely because it is so cynically dishonest. It worked to make what were once commonly held opinions in this country (indeed throughout most of human history and most cultures) into demonised extremism outside the Pale of acceptable discourse, and made it impossible to effectively advocate for even moderate views which then became the “extreme end” of acceptability, and thus through the later C20th it warped public policy and law in this country in favour of radicalism and infringement of basic rights to liberty and speech.

What can be done? Well, the record shows that this propaganda approach is likely to be successful. It has been in the past. All we can do is learn from that.

But one good start would be to push for ending the BBC’s privileged position. There should be no state broadcaster or news service – any such is inherently a tool for propaganda and manipulation.

Another would be to attack the very notion of government engaging in opinion management and behavioral manipulation. These are antithetical to both liberty and democracy. If they are going to engage professional manipulators to impose compliance, they should at least have to do it secretly and illegally.

251258 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, #594 of 1903 🔗

Agreed but their manipulation of the language didn’t work with Brexit.

251295 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to karenovirus, 1, #595 of 1903 🔗

Indeed, though not for lack of trying. I still recall the numerous attempts to have Farage and others harassed by the police for “racism” of various kinds.

Brexit and the 2016 Trump election are the only two major strikes back, against the tide that has otherwise flowed pretty uniformly in their direction throughout the anglosphere for decades.

251658 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, #596 of 1903 🔗

Add ‘conspiracy theorist’ and ‘climate denier’ to the list.

252043 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, #597 of 1903 🔗

Indeed. “Conspiracy theorist” is a smear term par excellence, and any kind of “denier” is generally on the list of dishonest political smears.

251120 Bella Donna, #598 of 1903 🔗

Interesting article on anti vaxxers.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/

251125 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #599 of 1903 🔗

The last US Administration, apparently, used to call Boris Johnson a “shape-shifting creep”. When i was at college in the early 90`s, David Icke was a figure of fun for us students, but now, as someone well into middle age, I can only agree with much with what Icke has written. Savile, political child abuse, nwo, censorship, vaccine fascism ; these are just a few nasties which have come to pass.
However, would be interested to know as to whether the likes of Boris and Hancock are actually “non -human” in some way, the evidence seems overwhelming.

251145 ▶▶ calchas, replying to nickbowes, 4, #601 of 1903 🔗

Getting to the top in business and politics requires that you be ready to sacrifice personal relationships and all of lifes little joys for the purpose, because there is tremendous no holds barred competition for such positions.

Therefore, such people, for whom those things have very little meaning anyway, have a huge advantage.

Erich Fromm wrote a book called ‘To have or to be?”

If you wish to enjoy life and people then you choose ‘to be’.

If you choose to pursue wealth and power, then you choose ‘to have’.

251159 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, 2, #602 of 1903 🔗

Bozo hasn’t given up his personal relationship with Carrie to get to the top rather the reverse. Perhaps he never expected to last.

251169 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to karenovirus, 4, #603 of 1903 🔗

At that level all other people are instruments.

All relationships within the orbit of power are touched and changed and conditioned by it.

Film director Stanley Kubrick once told someone: “Never, ever, get close to power”

251210 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to calchas, 4, #604 of 1903 🔗

There are examples of decency in politics and business.

The late Mr Hays of Hays Travel seems to be sorely mourned by family, colleagues and customers alike.

Trying to think of any in politics, I will get back to you!! Tony Benn?

251212 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #605 of 1903 🔗

Ken Clarke

251268 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #606 of 1903 🔗

John Smith, Frank Field, Charlie Kennedy, Kate Hoey, Rory Stewart (?)

251306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to kf99, #607 of 1903 🔗

In politics – yes.

In power – no.

251234 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #608 of 1903 🔗

“There are examples of decency in politics and business.”

Sure, I agree.

It is a tendential law though, that the readier you are to instrumentalize other people, while managing to simulate emapthy, the likelier it is that you will reach a powerful position, which Benn never did.

This is simply because, that if you truly empathize with other people, then the necessary sacrices of this empathy, in order to attain power, would entail vast psychic costs.

Remember, you will be in competition with others, who having less empathy, will not incur these psychic costs because they don’t care.

251284 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to jhfreedom, #609 of 1903 🔗

I had many good holidays through Hays travel.Heartbreaking that they are being driven to the wall because of this green lunacy.

251148 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to nickbowes, 10, #610 of 1903 🔗

The trick with David Icke is that you take in what you want. You can listen without taking everything in. He has enough people who pay to see him for that.

That said, a lot of what he says (which is a summary of stuff you can find on the internet) is not looking so “out there” now. Which raises the question: why does it take so long for people to see this?

The narrative is solidifying around needing a vaccine. Why did we need one in the first place? Interesting that the narrative never solidified around the principles of individuality and choice.

251194 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to mhcp, 5, #611 of 1903 🔗

The narrative has always been about a vaccine as the only saviour, it’s just been cranked up now they’re closing in on deployment.

251199 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to DRW, 7, #612 of 1903 🔗

I cannot say it enough.The vaccine is key to the control grid that they want to usher in.This will lead to the digital/health passport.Once we are all tracked and traced they can move to the next step which is digital currencies.

251217 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #613 of 1903 🔗

Yes, if they get that far we are done for.

251300 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DRW, #614 of 1903 🔗

The vaccine is the means to the end, ie the bigger agenda..

251167 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nickbowes, 6, #615 of 1903 🔗

Note that David Ike was permitted to exist on YouTube until Covid appeared at which time he was abruptly cancelled.

251193 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #616 of 1903 🔗

Icke still has a wide global audience and is probably too influential to simple bump off now. Many other talented online commentators on these topics have been “disappeared in totality” in the last year or so.

251289 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #617 of 1903 🔗

He was permitted until he linked Covid and 5g which shows how important that technology is to them

251292 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to nickbowes, 1, #618 of 1903 🔗

Interesting, where did you read that about the US administration’s opinion of BJ?
Is that ‘last’ as in Obama’s?

251131 AnotherSceptic, 28, #619 of 1903 🔗

I swear Matt Wankock makes my piss boil. I ended up stopping watching that interview because I was going to punch my TV.
The smarmy, slimey, fucking weasel that he is.

251144 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #620 of 1903 🔗

It’s only PD, nut nuts, handy cock and generic left in the bunker now

(oh and possibly a German Shepperd)

A couple just been picked up in Italy trying to board a ship to Argentina

Won’t be long now

251655 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, #621 of 1903 🔗

[whimpering rises to a low but piercing whine]

251158 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #622 of 1903 🔗

“Speaking with HuffPost UK’s Commons People podcast, as noted by Metro , Conservative Tom Tugendhat has warned that he could ‘certainly see the day’ when proof of vaccination was required to return to normal life.
‘If vaccination works and if we’re confident it’s safe, and all indications so far are good, then I can certainly see the day when businesses say: “Look, you’ve got to return to the office and if you’re not vaccinated you’re not coming in,”‘ he added.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/uk-citizens-could-be-banned-going-work-without-proof-covid-vaccination

Surely, if you go unvaccinated into an office, where everyone else is vaccinated, then you can do them no harm.

251164 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to calchas, 4, #623 of 1903 🔗

And these vaccines aren’t even being tested to see if they prevent transmission! https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

251187 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mattghg, 6, #624 of 1903 🔗

I think you can shorten that sentence :

“And these vaccines aren’t even being tested”

… well, not in any way known by accepted standards of validation.

If anyone can’t smell something rat-like, they may well actually have Covid.

251479 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mattghg, #625 of 1903 🔗

A vaccine does not prevent transmission; it confers immunity from the disease on the vaccinated individual.

251168 ▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 5, #626 of 1903 🔗

Stop being so f.ing logical – you’re breaking the rules of the game.

Actually, this is the first time I’ve ever heard of a vaccine for a seasonal virus being claimed as a protection for the population as a whole.

251171 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 8, #627 of 1903 🔗

“Confident it’s safe”- pull the other one Tugentwat.

251329 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to DRW, 1, #628 of 1903 🔗

That’s what they said about the Titanic

251192 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to calchas, 4, #629 of 1903 🔗

Most people I know are going to call their bluff.

251288 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, #630 of 1903 🔗

Nudge, nudge…

251474 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 1, #631 of 1903 🔗

If a vaccine is effective, the vaccinated individual is immune from the disease regardless of whether anyone else is vaccinated or not. Vaccination is not a public health measure; it is a clinical treatment.

251645 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, #632 of 1903 🔗

Surely, if you go unvaccinated into an office, where everyone else is vaccinated, then you can do them no harm.

You anti-vaxxer, you …

251163 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #633 of 1903 🔗

It makes me more angry that the supposed real Tories are sitting around and allowing this take down of the UK. Is it all revenge for trying to remove them from the EU gravy train?

251175 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #634 of 1903 🔗

In much of Europe it is worse then here and their citizens didn’t try and remove them from the EU gravy train.

251191 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #635 of 1903 🔗

Agree, but they all seem to have their own agenda. NZ, got everyone captive and convinced they all need to be vaccinated, hardly any deaths. They think their captivity has saved their lives.

251224 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #636 of 1903 🔗

It seems to me they are all working towards the same agenda but methods are tweaked for each country. Here stroking the ego of the NHS worker and exploiting our religious devotion to the organisation was a key part of getting our compliance while keeping as many as possible quite.

I don’t understand how the French have been so thoroughly controlled. Their compliance and the totality of it I find more surprising then the British.

Presumably every government has a team of physiologists tasked with finding the optimum way to terrorise the population into compliance with their own destruction. I think that what we see as different agendas is more the result of careful manipulation of each population and what agendas they might accept with least anger.

251276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #637 of 1903 🔗

The government have been very careful throughout to just turn the screw enough.I believe that there is a blueprint they all have to follow but it can be adjusted as and when according to the pushback received.Thats probably why Johnson was angry over the second lockdown leak as they hadn’t had enough time to gauge the public reaction.Cue the testing of the water over Christmas lockdown.

251280 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dan Clarke, #638 of 1903 🔗

It’s global

251172 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #639 of 1903 🔗
251180 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #640 of 1903 🔗

Oh, and the BBC were talking about it back in 2011:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p00kt6yr

251176 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 20, #641 of 1903 🔗

Started listening to the Piers Morgan Wanksock interview above. I bailed out when Morgan said we locked down 2 weeks late and consequently 25,000 extra people died.

Utter nonsense

251215 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to steve_w, 1, #642 of 1903 🔗

i`m with Alex Belfield when it comes to PM.

251278 ▶▶ Ben, replying to steve_w, 2, #643 of 1903 🔗

I presume Piers Morgan is ignoring the deaths caused by lockdown?

I imagine if his own salary was threatened by lockdown he might have a different opinion. Likewise George Galloway.

251177 DRW, replying to DRW, 4, #644 of 1903 🔗

That must be a new record for most nauseating LS headline picture.

251245 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to DRW, 2, #645 of 1903 🔗

Agreed!

251179 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #646 of 1903 🔗

Why do we need a vaccine? All I’ve got is’ to get back to normal’. For a virus that affects only 1% with underlying conditions, that is extreme. Even the world wide death number doesn’t appear to convince people that this is low mortality, the propaganda really is drowning out the truth.

251243 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #647 of 1903 🔗

Because of what else they are going to add to the vaccine, also because they want to force covipasses on us..

251244 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #648 of 1903 🔗

yeah, i see no reason for a vaccine.

251376 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Moomin, #649 of 1903 🔗

I do for older people. And actually the way it’s gone. Older people remain often working people. So while it’s good that it’s not all ages, it is fairly common for people to be working at 70 + these days – indeed the pension age group will likely be 70 soon enough, so that’s a big part of society that needs to be kept working. And that’s the reality here. They don’t want to be pensioning off 60 + year olds. They can’t afford it. This is ultimately about keeping the older people working I feel.

251465 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Leemc23, 1, #650 of 1903 🔗

They can’t afford it

That is so funny. Have you not noticed, Rishi Sunak found an endless magic money forest?

251271 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #651 of 1903 🔗

The type of normal where people have to present their papers to go anywhere or do anything and have to submit to whatever arbitrary demands the government dreams up to get those papers. The type of normal where the government still considers it has the authority to dictate every aspect of people existence and shut down peoples business as it sees fit. Normal only by the standard of nazi Germany or similar.

The reason people say this is that it is what they have been programmed to say.

251183 Danny, replying to Danny, 2, #652 of 1903 🔗

Posted a request earlier today with no takers so sending again.
I really would like an up to date UK mortality from Covid percentage by age and comorbidity risk chart, but can only find Scotland and older UK versions.
I genuinely feel that this kind of raw data is either not known at all by people, or considered to be fake. Lockdown must be fought by constant use of statistical data to cut through the fear. Any help much appreciated!

251252 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Danny, #653 of 1903 🔗

Have you looked on Pandata.org? They have live data, you might find what you’re looking for there. Alternatively, you might find it on https://adapnation.io

Even if not, they’re both good resources.

251188 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 10, #654 of 1903 🔗

Listening to TalkRadio is now a patchy affair. The news segment is provided by Sky I believe. So apparently disinfecting parcels and cards is the order of the day as the virus may last up to 24 hours on surfaces.

By that logic so have other types of viruses. Why are we becoming germaphobic? I don’t give a monkey’s myself but the Covidian Cult is getting obscene now.

251202 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to mhcp, 3, #655 of 1903 🔗

I really enjoy the long haired Coast guy (sorry can`t remember his name) on talk radio, sensible man.

251204 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to nickbowes, 3, #656 of 1903 🔗

that is his name as far as I am aware

251208 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to nickbowes, 7, #657 of 1903 🔗

Neil Oliver

251214 ▶▶ kf99, replying to mhcp, 1, #658 of 1903 🔗

No need to actually listen live though. All the interesting stuff seems to be posted here

251241 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to kf99, 1, #659 of 1903 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4TDABwZ19w
Like this one.. Green party sounding just like Princess Nut Nut.

251285 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 2, #660 of 1903 🔗

Raheem Kassam of The National Pulse, and who is often on War Room, knows Ms Symonds and says she is dangerous…

251253 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mhcp, #661 of 1903 🔗

On 2020-03-17, the NIH said :

SARS-CoV-2 was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.

This assessment is based on an article published in the New England Journal of Medicine:

N van Doremalen, et al. Aerosol and surface stability of HCoV-19 (SARS-CoV-2) compared to SARS-CoV-1 . DOI: 10.1056/NEJMc2004973 (2020) .

251267 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mabel Cow, #662 of 1903 🔗

Surely hand-washing should take care of this?

251368 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Mabel Cow, #663 of 1903 🔗

So basically. Live in a bubble.

Does it say how “viable” the virus is as an infection risk or just they could trace it ? Suspect the latter.

251467 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mabel Cow, #664 of 1903 🔗

This is in lab conditions, not comparable to the “real” world.

251272 ▶▶ Ben, replying to mhcp, 7, #665 of 1903 🔗

I would rather have the so called virus and develop natural immunity than damage my skin and healthy bacteria with harmful chemicals

We need an asteroid to end this crime

251486 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mhcp, 1, #666 of 1903 🔗

I haven’t noticed any parcel delivery guys keeling over.

251195 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #667 of 1903 🔗

If the Judges decide that what has been done since March is totally illegal there is a risk of serious public disorder breaking out

The judges may consider they are obliged to consider the wider public interest and may decide to give the dictatorship notice of their decision so appropriate resources can be put in place

It would explain the events of the past week

251211 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 8, #668 of 1903 🔗

how would it be illegal? lord sumption was saying it didn’t have enough parliamentary scrutiny. wouldnt they just timetable it in and do it again?

251216 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to steve_w, 3, #669 of 1903 🔗

Ok unlawful, but just a play on words really

251221 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #670 of 1903 🔗

Not just parliamentary scrutiny, but in breach of the basic principals and fundamentals of justice

Mass imprisonment without trial being an obvious one

251226 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 2, #671 of 1903 🔗

I agree, but where in our constitution is it prevented – either now – or what can we do in the future?

251246 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to steve_w, 3, #672 of 1903 🔗

It seems in the US their constitution has not helped them much. It seems perhaps it was never words on paper that protected peoples liberty but more governments fear of the people.

251392 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #673 of 1903 🔗

Yes – that’s an interesting point, given the way that the US has always boasted the protection of the constitution as protecting inalienable rights.

251222 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 5, #674 of 1903 🔗

but what would stop them doing it ‘by the book’?

I was surprised the govt has the power to put the whole country under house arrest. when this is over we need to make sure they cant do it again

251349 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to steve_w, 1, #675 of 1903 🔗

What would stop them doing it again?

A judgement that would outline what unalienable rights we have

251248 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 9, #676 of 1903 🔗

Sumption said more than that.He believes that the 1984 public health act doesn’t give the Government the right to quarantine healthy people or force businesses to close.The government could have used the Civil Contingencies act which does,but that requires more Parliamentary scrutiny.

251475 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #677 of 1903 🔗

Spot on, if he is right every SI raised for Covid is unlawfull and every penalty null and void. Compensation claims could be astronomical but it would be us compensating each other.

251218 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 7, #678 of 1903 🔗

They are certainly taking their time with SD’s judgement. Could just be more stalling however.

251228 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #679 of 1903 🔗

Funny how they seem able to move remarkably quickly sometimes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261

251230 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #680 of 1903 🔗

Might they be waiting to see how judges in other countries decide in similar cases?

251345 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Carrie, 1, #681 of 1903 🔗

No, they will stand on their own

251387 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 2, #682 of 1903 🔗

It would be great to have a judgment as substantial as the one in Portugal …. but ….

251203 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #683 of 1903 🔗

One of the missing parts of the ”’great”’ reset is the leverage that is being used to bear on the participants. How can one evil bald bastard work the world’s politicians like a collection on marionettes? Certainly it can be agrued Hancock is an ego on legs pyschopathic and therefore easily corrupted, but the network is much deeper than that.

I speculate that schwab is the presented leader with his unelected power and leverage in the background concealed from our view. A look at schwabs wikipedia page displays myriad honorary doctorates – the page displays barely anything of his actual tangible achievements (if any). He founded in 1971 the EU group on economic study which later crept, as all things EU do, into the World Economic Forum.

One of the anciliary groups schwab is credited with founding is ‘Global Shapers’ – 430 odd ‘hubs’ around the world of people in their 20s who are deemed (by schwab?) to be exceptional people. Bristol has a group, maybe your city does too. Edinburgh’s group https://www.globalshapers.org/hubs/edinburgh-hub produces a picture of at least one young person who has a face you would never tired of punching – smug beyond belief. It is noticeable only two of the names in the Edinburgh Hub are Scottish, a low number for a selection of exceptional people. I do not know the provenace of the other names.

The Impact Officer for the Edinburgh Hub will be assessing how successful the group has been at changing public behaviour around defibrilators – this is the hub’s single displayed project. The lack of transparency of Davos persists at local city junior club level as well.

Looking at the twitter accounts of the Edinburgh exceptional people you can pick up a flavour of what these people think. One is clearly conservative minded, another is an investment mamager interested in ‘plant based eating’. The Hub account itself seems particularly unimpressive with very little discussion of anykind. What these hub groups truly do is not published – why?

Just commenting here to show that the tendrils of the literal Bloefeld -Schwab with unexplained control over global leaders also has active ambitions around the world at a regional and city level. He is not only pictured besides Charles and Hancock, not only is Schwab knighted by Elizabeth 2 ‘hrh’ but also he is reaching into quite possibly the young people of your city.

251220 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Basics, 5, #684 of 1903 🔗

Schwab is just some kind of agent.

The face of the WEF.

251223 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to calchas, 5, #685 of 1903 🔗

Schwab actually looks like some evil nazi Bond villain.

251233 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to nickbowes, 6, #686 of 1903 🔗

The ‘Global Shapers’ initiative reminds me a little of Hugo Drax’s campaign to select bright young things for his space eugenics programme in Moonraker .

251316 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Poppy, 1, #687 of 1903 🔗

China’s Cultural Revolution picked essentially ‘shapers’ too.

Those, who were already completely indoctrinated within the current system.

251348 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Poppy, 2, #688 of 1903 🔗

Wrong. These people are nearly not beautiful enough. Now the Drax program in space with 70s models. Where do I sign:-)

251350 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Basics, 5, #689 of 1903 🔗

Good research, thanks. Apparently, this is what ‘Global Shapers’ have to be like :

Successful applicants are:

– between 18-27 years old

– residents of or live close to the hub city

– committed to working with peers to improve their community

– interested in developing their leadership potential

– willing to support fellow Shapers in their personal and professional development

– ready to engage in the community and follow our Community Charter

I imagine there’s a whole world contained in the requirement to be ‘willing to support fellow Shapers in their personal and professional development’ …

251483 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 1, #690 of 1903 🔗

Influencers. Change agents. Inspiration seekers. Disruptors

251219 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 19, #691 of 1903 🔗

“Children must be excluded from ‘rule of six’ over Christmas, MPs say”

This is good news. I mean, we’re all someone’s children, and the government treats everyone like children (in a “I’m an abusive parent” sort of way) so xmas can go ahead as normal.

251240 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #692 of 1903 🔗

Quality!

251274 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #693 of 1903 🔗

That’s good news then. I’ll let the 23 guests who were already coming know…

Arnie.

251232 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 32, #694 of 1903 🔗

Ah good. The book I ordered to be sent to my MP has finally been dispatched. I’m not sure why it took so long (maybe people have been burning copies of it and it took a month to print some more)

Should arrive tomorrow 🙂

Happy reading, Nadine!

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251235 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #695 of 1903 🔗

(P.S. It’s got pictures in it Nadine, so don’t worry about having to read…)

251259 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #696 of 1903 🔗

Great stuff Captain. Massive message to them. Keep battering on.
Arnie.

251260 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to captainbeefheart, 12, #697 of 1903 🔗

last known photo of 2020 UK MPs who voted yes

252008 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to steve_w, #698 of 1903 🔗

You wish!

251262 ▶▶ chaos, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #699 of 1903 🔗

The funny thing about the Nuremberg trials is that it was a chemical/pharma company that was found partly responsible for the horrors: IG Farben. It was dismantled into smaller companies following the trials. Some of those pieces now far larger than IG Farben ever was e.g. Sanofi-Aventis.

251282 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 9, #700 of 1903 🔗

The company IG Farben was then ‘reincarnated’ as Moderna….the lot producing one of the Covid vaccines..

251399 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to chaos, 1, #701 of 1903 🔗

Indeed. I bet most people don’t know how and where certain drugs were first developed.

251454 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, #702 of 1903 🔗

IG Farben built the biggest synthetic rubber factory in the world outside Auswhich (sp) but it didn’t produce any synthetic rubber.

251393 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #703 of 1903 🔗

I hope this book tells it’s story in pictures, Nadine can’t read.

251397 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Two-Six, 1, #704 of 1903 🔗

Maybe she’s heard it all before.

Maybe she’s developed heard immunity to historic facts. An amazing new feat for the human immune system!

251264 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #705 of 1903 🔗

When I were a little lad and a strong Labour supporter I had to concede, if only to myself, the Labour Party just didn’t have the aura of probity and respectability which the Tories carried.

Now when I look at the photo above of a Tory prime minster sat with his female companion, presumably in No. 10, I own to being a bit flabbergasted. For it can’t be gain said but they’re livin’ or’t brush at one of the most esteemed addresses in then country.

Call me old fashioned if you like – and you’d be right.

251279 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #706 of 1903 🔗

You are impressively old fashioned, even by my standards. Good stuff.

Though in fairness they are at least affianced, iirc.

251266 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 9, #707 of 1903 🔗

I put this up yesterday but I think I bears repeating. If you are struggling or can’t understand what is happening this will answer you questions. It’s also very positive!

31 minutes of pure unadulterated clarity and optimism:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=RPd5l2ekdu4

If you’re having a crap day or feeling browse beaten by all the small minded nonsense please have a look.
10/10

Arnie.

251270 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Arnie, 3, #708 of 1903 🔗

Thanks for the reminder – I fell asleep before I watched it, bookmarked for later…

251414 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Arnie, 2, #709 of 1903 🔗

Thank you for the link. The elite are insane and their plan will not work because there are not enough resources left to herd humanity into smart cities. I doubt there ever was but two hundred years of industrial society has depleted our available resources. As of this moment it would be well nigh impossible to elctrify the UK’s car fleet. This is an article from nearly a year ago (pre-Covid) in which the issue of resources on a finite planet are dealt with. Read to the bottom of the article – it is towards the last third of the article that the actual numbers are presented. The elite are not so smart as they like to think. https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2020/02/05/the-make-believe-future/

251443 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #710 of 1903 🔗

They simply do not, or cannot, understand people and what makes them tick. This is their great disadvantage and our great advantage.

251299 mjr, replying to mjr, 10, #711 of 1903 🔗

just watched the C4 Dispatches programme from last night

good expose of the mess in testing labs, the dubious links between MPs, test and trace, outsource companies and the unaccountability thereof.

However no comment on the fundamental issues of suitability of and reliability on dodgy tests and the misuse and manipulation of data etc etc etc etc
and it finished with an interview with Neil Ferguson which basically tells you all you need to know about how thorough this programme was!!

and next weeks programme is “is covid racist?”

251302 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mjr, 3, #712 of 1903 🔗

haha… Yes, it certainly tailed off towards the end without ever landing a sucker punch.

251340 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 2, #713 of 1903 🔗

Why on earth was discredited Prof Pants interviewed – he sold the vaccine

251476 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, #714 of 1903 🔗

Sums up the standard really. Nothing below the surface.

251305 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 16, #715 of 1903 🔗

There are some really nasty bastards around aren’t there. Quite busy atm with people outside (in the sunshine) sitting at benches and on the (prohibited) bandstand. Someone just mentioned to one of my customers that dogs are not allowed in the park – the dog is on a lead and not causing any problems. Welcome to effing puritan Britain.

251310 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to kh1485, 11, #716 of 1903 🔗

No joy in their lives so don’t want anyone else to have any joy in theirs.

251317 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to kh1485, 6, #717 of 1903 🔗

You have benches?

Luxury!

Our local council has been taking away a lot of the benches in my area over the past few months.

251325 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #718 of 1903 🔗

Oh, give it time … They’ve already put a snarky notice on the bandstand, which people are ignoring.

251343 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 5, #719 of 1903 🔗

What, they can’t have bands on bandstands? When they redeveloped our town centre they demolished the bandstand and it is now the outside eating area for Bill’s restaurant. Maybe a precedent KH?

251318 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 7, #720 of 1903 🔗

No playing, laughing, smiling or enjoying yourselves.
By Order

251319 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 2, #721 of 1903 🔗

Well, there are links to Cromwell in the PR of SW!

251334 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 7, #722 of 1903 🔗

Joyless bastards have always been with us – we are just noticing them more now.
(In some cases, perhaps their joylessness is a product of the times, in which case they are to be pitied.)
Do your best to ignore the petty joylessness and remember the ways in which you and your business are bringing a little light into people’s lives.

251380 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 2, #723 of 1903 🔗

Band banned from the bandstand

251388 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 2, #724 of 1903 🔗

Sorry, not bands prohibited but, I believe, the public. Notice went up yesterday stating that if you wanted to use the bandstand you have to book it with the Town Council. We think this is in response to some of our customers using it to shelter from the rain on Saturday (we provided chairs, so we are probably in trouble again).

251422 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 1, #725 of 1903 🔗

It will be no dogs anywhere if HMG decides it’s another angle to get at us.

251463 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bugle, 1, #726 of 1903 🔗

Well, perhaps that will get the sleepy masses to revolt.

251308 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 6, #727 of 1903 🔗

Some rare coverage of the Denmark protests in this video. No doubt the Danish technocrats will be scheming about a new way to enslave the people so hopefully people will keep the pressure on them. Funny how even the pro-EU newspapers and BBC completely ignored this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zadErfQ2pMY

251395 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Darryl, 3, #728 of 1903 🔗

Quite rightly so, those Danes are far right, fascist, nazi, islamophobic, transphobic, vax phobic, ronaphobic racists.

251659 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to JHuntz, 2, #729 of 1903 🔗

dont forget mink killers

251309 Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #730 of 1903 🔗

Interesting stuff. Will be interesting to see how this changes in the UK as the propaganda campaign focuses fully on vaccination:

251362 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mark, 3, #731 of 1903 🔗

I had to lol at China – what else are they going to say?!

251324 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to microdave, 7, #733 of 1903 🔗

The bank that provides my mortgage may delete me. I won’t mind 🙂

251338 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to microdave, 3, #734 of 1903 🔗

This is indeed a worrying trend around the world, they are targeting individuals now as well as groups and organisations. We don’t live in a free society, we are living in a state / big business created control matrix. The technocrats want complete control over us.

251353 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Darryl, 3, #735 of 1903 🔗

Movie ‘Enemy of the State’, Will Smith. Foretold all except the tech is now more advanced.

251508 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to karenovirus, 1, #736 of 1903 🔗

They always soften us up for the future they have planned. How about ‘Gattaca’ as a future for people who don’t go along with the transhumanist / annual vaccinations agenda they are currently introducing.

251445 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to microdave, #737 of 1903 🔗

This has happened to some anti corona legislation organisations and individuals, like people who have YT channels, in Germany.
I can understand it with organisations, who will publish their bank details to collect contributions, but an individual? The banks are afraid they will loose lucrative customers by associating with well know anti c groups, but what harm is an individual person? Who even cares or knows where they bank?
It is dangerous and all within the plan.

251312 Klein, replying to Klein, 8, #738 of 1903 🔗

I noticed Prof Heneghan on Talk Radio being interviewed by JHB; when Julia said that he was a signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration, he made a point of correcting her and said he hadn’t sign it.
He didn’t go in to any more detail and she didn’t ask him to clarify. Anyone know anything around this? Perhaps he’s wanting to stay ‘apolitical’ ?

251365 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Klein, 7, #739 of 1903 🔗

I suspect it’s exactly that, he’s very deliberately remaining impartial and ensuring he can’t be slandered as associating with a “lunatic fringe”.

251369 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Klein, 6, #740 of 1903 🔗

We discussed that at home last night. They are ‘connected’ to each other – see link below – and likely know each other both professionally and socially (all the Oxford medics and academics do, as their kids are in the same schools). It makes sense to keep the Great Barrington link separate so if there is an attack on one, the other isn’t automatically brought down. It is pretty nasty in academic life, and will only get worse from here.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-open-letter-on-covid-19-strategy-written-by-prof-karol-sikora-prof-carl-heneghan-prof-sunetra-gupta-and-others/

251409 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Klein, 1, #741 of 1903 🔗

I know this is a time when people generally need to choose a side, but if your thing is evidence based medicine and that thing is doing a very good job on its own of undermining the narrative, why do more? It’s refreshing that someone in such a role stays out of “politics” given that most of those in similar roles on the “other side” do nothing but politics.

251469 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, #742 of 1903 🔗

Yeah. Smart move. However, he won’t be able to continue such a stance as he sees Oxford and other universities continue to becoming branches of the biosecurity state

251675 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to Julian, #743 of 1903 🔗

If your thing is evidence based medicine one ought to be looking at the evidence for a pandemic.

Like the Dosten paper – Eurosurveillance – Volume 25, Issue 3, 23 January 2020
Detection of 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) by real-time RT-PCR comment image In the present case of 2019-nCoV, virus isolates or samples from infected patients have so far not become available to the international public health community. We report here on the establishment and validation of a diagnostic workflow for 2019-nCoV screening and specific confirmation, designed in absence of available virus isolates or original patient specimens. Design and validation were enabled by the close genetic relatedness to the 2003 SARS-CoV, and aided by the use of synthetic nucleic acid technology.

Conflicts of interest
Olfert Landt is CEO of Tib-Molbiol; Marco Kaiser is senior researcher at GenExpress and serves as scientific advisor for Tib-Molbiol.

Tib-Molbiol PCR test manufacturer

Affiliations:
1 Charité – Universitätsmedizin Berlin Institute of Virology, Berlin, Germany and German Centre for Infection Research (DZIF), Berlin, Germany
2 Tib-Molbiol, Berlin, Germany
3 GenExpress GmbH, Berlin, Germany*
4 Department of Viroscience, Erasmus MC, Rotterdam, the Netherlands
5 National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM), Bilthoven, the Netherlands
6 University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China
7 Universite d Aix-Marseille, Marseille, France
8 Public Health England, London, United Kingdom
9 Department of Medical Microbiology, Vaccine and Infectious Diseases Institute, University of Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.3.2000045

251314 Ben, replying to Ben, 19, #744 of 1903 🔗
251425 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Ben, #745 of 1903 🔗

It’s a perfectly good tool used in the correct circumstances by the properly trained. As we know, this isn’t what has happened.

251335 Cecil B, 3, #746 of 1903 🔗

This from Cathy Owen the doyen of welsh government propaganda

‘Untrained army of volunteers to administer the vaccine’

‘Covid can be eradicated in 30 seconds with mouthwash’

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-vaccine-wales-health-lockdown-19292110?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

‘Don’t need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind blows’

Bob Dylan

251336 WhoIsButTheFormFollowingTheFunctionOfWhat, replying to WhoIsButTheFormFollowingTheFunctionOfWhat, 1, #747 of 1903 🔗

Doubt this was shared before… A helmet to protect us against covid. The fear of death has reached utter lunacy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54916159

251461 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to WhoIsButTheFormFollowingTheFunctionOfWhat, 2, #748 of 1903 🔗

He’s been riding the subway for two months in that thing. Really hope he gets the flu.

What a cock.

And hear this:


Dr Suzanne Pham, medical director of the Covid-19 response team at Weiss Memorial Hospital in Chicago, says: “It remains to be seen if these fascinating helmets effectively battle Covid, as currently there is not enough research behind them.
Dr Pham is also concerned that the helmets could lead to a societal division. “It will create a split in society between those who can afford something that seemingly might protect them more, and those who cannot.
“And with those who cannot being left feeling like, ‘Oh, am I being under-protected by wearing just a surgical mask?'”

This is life (well, living death) on an utterly different planet.

251339 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #751 of 1903 🔗

Scotland is bottom of the league on Covid

There are four European countries with populations of five million.

Denmark 5,799,640 757 Covid deaths

Finland 5,545,596 369 Covid deaths

Slovakia 5,462,617 510 Covid deaths

Norway 5,436,637 294 Covid deaths.

Scotland 5,500000? 3280 Covid

https://www.effiedeans.com/2020/11/scotland-is-bottom-of-league-on-covid.html

Nice to see Lily of St Lenoards getting back to what she is good at – political commentary. Previous posting by Lily has been a little bit wonky suggesting she’s all too eager to get her body full of the improperly tested, unlicensed vaccines. Back on track today with the assessment of Krankfacemcgraws horrendous actions throughout 2020.

251366 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 3, #752 of 1903 🔗

Of course, the trouble is ‘Covid’ deaths. The over-counting by using PCR results bites back.

251405 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to RickH, 1, #753 of 1903 🔗

16 words that describe the current situation exactly. Thank-you.

251453 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Basics, 2, #754 of 1903 🔗

The government had to set a baseline figure for “covid deaths” at the outset. They achieved this by shipping covid+ patients from hospitals into care homes. Around 88% of Scotland’s deaths occurred there.

With this baseline figure they were able to push for lockdowns, restrictions, etc. Repeat.

And now we know that anyone who has tested positive who dies, from whatever cause or reason, within 28 of a positive death, gets added to that baseline figure. It’s pure evil genius.

251352 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 3, #755 of 1903 🔗

Professor Anthony Brookes, geneticist talking lots of sense on interview with J H Brewer this morning on talk radio .The clip is on youtube on the talk radio site called The same as it would be any other year .

251394 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to wat tyler, 2, #756 of 1903 🔗

He was on a few weeks ago, after one of the lockdown SAGE/Alternative SAGE nutters. He was excellent then too.

251416 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to wat tyler, 3, #757 of 1903 🔗

The number of people dying is “the same as it would be any other year”, despite coronavirus, according to Health data scientist Professor Anthony Brookes.

Julia Hartley-Brewer interviews Professor Anthony Brookes on talkRADIO (2020-11-17, 11m33s).

251734 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Mabel Cow, #758 of 1903 🔗

This is very good. Hadn’t heard of this Professor before. Keeping the vaccine results in proportion – “ they may provide a degree of immunity

251356 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #759 of 1903 🔗

nvm

251364 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #760 of 1903 🔗

There’s a firm called ”Dominion” that’s apparently very helpful in collating figures. Very flexible, I understand.

251367 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #761 of 1903 🔗

VACCINE DEATH WAVE: UK government posts bid for AI system to process the expected flood of COVID-19 vaccine injuries and side effects described as a “direct threat to patient life”
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-16-uk-government-posts-bid-for-ai-system-flood-of-covid-19-vaccine-injuries.html

251375 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Victoria, 5, #762 of 1903 🔗

I just realised LS have it in their page so deleted my comment. Scary stuff though.

There is no way I am going near the untested and unlicenced gene therapy vaccine.

251359 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #763 of 1903 🔗

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251672 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Victoria, #764 of 1903 🔗

This should never be used as an argument. Just imagine it. Boris and his all his cronies in a big PR stunt, getting injected with water, then saying “look, we had it and we’re fine, now you can too!”

251879 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #765 of 1903 🔗

There are plenty of people who could easily take their place. They don’t have a monopoly on deviousness.

251360 Banjones, 4, #766 of 1903 🔗

”…..the number of positive cases in London was being inflated by this glitch..”
Would that be the same ”glitch” that got Biden so many extra votes in Georgia, etc? The one that puts numbers into columns where they can have a useful effect?

(But, Toby, they’re not ”cases”. Aren’t we trying to avoid that word, unless these are people in hospital?)

251361 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #767 of 1903 🔗

Sack your trusted advisors

Don’t replace them with anyone new

Fail to turn up for work Monday morning

It’s over

He knows, you know (with apologies to Hilda Baker)

251386 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cecil B, 8, #768 of 1903 🔗

He obviously celebrated over the weekend because he looked distinctly hungover. Only needs 15% of Tory MPs to bring him down – the group of 50, now 70, in the CRG could do it.

251404 ▶▶▶ Don't say much, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #769 of 1903 🔗

It’s not just me then. I’ve been thinking for a while that his post covid symptoms, looked awfully like he’s been overdoing the ale.

251412 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #770 of 1903 🔗

Bring it on.

251384 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #771 of 1903 🔗

I think that one of the main reasons why we are where we are is simply down to overanalysis of the problem.

It’s a bit like VAR in football where offside is expected to be given down to the width of a hair but even then it’s down to how somebody sees and interprets where that hair sits relative to a line.

Often when there is a problem, if you sort out the major contributors the minor ones become irrelevant. But in our case the minor contributors are given more significance every time another contributor is eliminated. A bit like OCD really.

251420 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #772 of 1903 🔗

Well they keep changing the bloody rules on offside with who is active or passive and all that jazz. Same with tackles and cards. When you watch the Africa Cup of Nations you see players plough into each other and the ref just rolls his hands to say “Get up”

251385 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #773 of 1903 🔗

Jeremy Vine R2 approx. 13.15

‘Are disguarded face masks the new fag butts ! ?
Would you tell someone to pick theirs up ! ?’

251406 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to karenovirus, 4, #774 of 1903 🔗

I wish he’d ask:

“Are whiney little tosspots who seem to make a living out of dividing opinion, creating anger and driving ‘the agenda’ forward passed their sell-by date?”

251456 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 2, #775 of 1903 🔗

His Channel 5 show had a leading question for the phone in if ever there was one

“Should we ban Christmas now rather than later?”

251396 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 23, #776 of 1903 🔗

I am very grateful for the wit and good humour on LS from its many articulate, intelligent, decent contributors. Thank you. It makes it easier to bear this nightmare of a shit show that is Planet Earth 2020 and the PD/Nut Nut-led country.

251398 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #777 of 1903 🔗

Are you king of the Welsh dinosaurs?

251400 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 4, #778 of 1903 🔗

As a llamasaur, I’m out of my epoch, and come from the Andes.

251401 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #779 of 1903 🔗

Nothing to do with llamacorns. They are magic.

251429 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #780 of 1903 🔗

Apologies confused you with Llansamlet Rex

251431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 2, #781 of 1903 🔗

That happens all the time. A cross I have to bear.

251471 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 1, #782 of 1903 🔗

May I venture that you’re Mr. DeMille? I’m ready for my close up, your eminence.

251402 DocRC, 1, #783 of 1903 🔗

Mirror, mirror on the wall which test is the correctest of them all? These figures from Liverpool show that on the same population, PCR is giving 2.98% positives (which is within the boundaries of the known false positive rate, especially in the commercial labs doing the community tests) and the LFT (lateral flow test, the new test recently introduced which the Army are administering) gives 0.61% positive results. PHE (Public Health England) say the LFT is 99.7% accurate by which I think they mean it has only a false +ve rate of 0.3%. Time to bin the PCR test (which costs a whopping £130 a time and even it’s inventor, Kary Mullis, said was not fit for purpose as a diagnostic test)!
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251407 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 6, #784 of 1903 🔗

Mirror, mirror on the wall which test is the correctest of them all? These figures from Liverpool show that on the same population, PCR is giving 2.98% positives (which is within the boundaries of the known false positive rate, especially in the commercial labs doing the community tests) and the LFT (lateral flow test, the new test recently introduced which the Army are administering) gives 0.61% positive results. PHE (Public Health England) say the LFT is 99.7% accurate by which I think they mean it has only a false +ve rate of 0.3%. Time to bin the PCR test (which costs a whopping £130 a time and even it’s inventor, Kary Mullis, said was not fit for purpose as a diagnostic test)!

251441 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to DocRC, 3, #785 of 1903 🔗

The purpose of the test is to find cases the more cases the better so they are building two huge labs to do the inaccurate PCR tests badly to find more cases.
The LFT doesn’t find as many cases and will be scrapped.

251449 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DocRC, 4, #786 of 1903 🔗

It’s way over due.

My worry is that they’ve already ruined so many people’s lives by ignoring the PCR flaws and burying essential information like the CTs used for each test. The whole crisis has been inflated by this at every turn. Deaths, NHS staff told to isolate, deep cleans for businesses and schools.

It has to be considered criminal negligence to have ignored concerns and historical pseudo epidemics driven by PCR

It can’t be a case of moving to lateral flow and nothing to see here.

251415 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 8, #787 of 1903 🔗

I mentioned on here that my local theatre is staging an outdoor production in December and that face covering must be worn by the audience.
I complained. I did not receive an answer, but I saw today they have updated their website and are not stating exemptions apply.
I am sure I am not the only one who complained or someone sensible in their management team noticed their error, but I still feel that i have done my bit influence a change.
Small steps.

251438 ▶▶ Anne, replying to Silke David, 2, #788 of 1903 🔗

I wonder if you might get a good response by asking those questions publicly, in YT, IG or FB comment sections?

251457 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, 1, #789 of 1903 🔗

‘no w stating’ maybe ?

251473 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JohnB, #790 of 1903 🔗

Forgot to proof read, of course NOW.

251417 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 23, #791 of 1903 🔗

Someone needs to conduct a survey about these so-called “anti-vaxxers”.

How many are really anti-vax, vs anti-covid vax? I would wager not that many, and they are currently allowed to be anti-vax and refuse the standard, tried-and-tested vaccines for diseases that are considerably more devastating than covid.

I have had all the standard vax, so has my 6-year-old daughter. Yet I don’t trust a new vaccine technology rushed through in considerably less than a year. No one can deny that this is considerably faster than the usual vaccine development timeline. Can you really call someone an anti-vaxxer if they are fully vaccinated for everything except covid??

251424 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #792 of 1903 🔗

Great points raised. Your last two sentences nail the case for the prosecution (or is it defence?).

251434 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #793 of 1903 🔗

Indeed. They will try and lump everyone under the bus. Pick out one true anti vaxxer to smear a whole collection of contentious objectors

251435 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #794 of 1903 🔗

Britain had a research unit from 1946 to 1989 with the sole purpose of finding a cure for the common cold. One of the viruses that cause the common cold (a number of different illnesses despite its name) is the coronavirus. So over forty years of intensive, dedicated research focused on finding a way of creating immunity and not a sausage. Yet, we are supposed to believe that today’s scientists (aka corporations) are so smart they can find a vaccine(s) for a novel form of coronavirus in a matter of months and ascertain that it is both safe and effective. They really do think we are gullible and will believe anything, just because they say so.

251440 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #795 of 1903 🔗

‘Anti-vaxxer’ is a very effective smear technique used against anyone that asks questions about vaccines.

It is our right to ask questions, then to evaluate the information and make an informed decision whether to take it or not.

Vaccine Transparency Manifesto

“Many consider a vaccine the surest option, but that is conditional on vaccines being found both effective and safe.

The 10-point VACCINE TRANSPARENCY Manifesto

  1. Full disclosure of raw data from studies and trials to allow independent analysis
  2. Full transparency in relation to safety and efficacy trials
  3. Full transparency over the vaccine platform(s) and technology used for commercial vaccines
  4. Conduct of comprehensive studies evaluating the independent risks from adjuvants (additives)
  5. Full disclosure of vaccine composition in commercial formulations
  6. Full transparency of all adverse event data in all studies and post-marketing surveillance
  7. Clarification of eligibility and criteria for no-fault vaccine injury payments or compensation
  8. Clarification of nature and extent of government indemnity of manufacturers in the event of vaccine injury
  9. Public dissemination of extent of naturally-acquired (herd) immunity prior to vaccine roll-out and individual consent
  10. Involvement of elected representatives in due democratic process should mandatory vaccination be contemplated by authorities”

https://www.anhinternational.org/resources/documents/uk-vaccine-transparency-manifesto/

251442 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #796 of 1903 🔗

The uncertain promise of a Covid vaccine: The video
In the 25-minute documentary we showcase below, produced in-house by our newly established media unit, we expose the 15 questions we think everyone should know before they roll up their sleeves, or those of their loved ones.

The solution, we believe, is simple, yet one that needs to be fought for. It’s genuine vaccine transparency, not just lip service to the concept. Over the last 20 years of vaccine development, transparency policies established by vaccine makers and regulators have been unfit for their purpose . If we care about our future, we can’t let lack of transparency impede our fundamental right to informed consent.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/the-uncertain-promise-of-a-covid-vaccine-the-video/

251538 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Victoria, #797 of 1903 🔗

thank you for this

251512 ▶▶ Mike, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #798 of 1903 🔗

I would bet a fair number of those ‘anti-vaxxers’ would actually say they are not anti-vax just that they want ‘safe vaccines’ with good transparency of risks and clear options to address vaccine injury. Many anti-vaxxers have actually been through the vaccine system and have become enlightened through mishap or misfortune.

Informed consent is something we should all have with regards to any medicine yet vaccines seem ‘immune’ from all levels of scrutiny beyond that given by their own creators. Seems a bit like buying house and asking the owners to undertake a survey on its condition. You’re highly unlikely to get a true picture of the issues therein.

This latest rush job is the crack in the damn. Once this gets the nod and the sheeple get the jab then its a rolling program of who knows what stretching into our futures…money money money.

251537 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Mike, 3, #799 of 1903 🔗

That describes me to a t. I became ‘enlightened’ after my eldest child was vaccine injured. I would describe myself as ‘pro vaccine transparency’. Not something the pharmaceutical companies have ever been for.

251577 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mike, #800 of 1903 🔗

One of the best comments, which I shall recall, if or when the vaccine is touted in my area: safe vaccines.

Very well said.

251521 ▶▶ watashi, replying to A. Contrarian, #801 of 1903 🔗

no.

251541 ▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, #802 of 1903 🔗

Same. I took a meningitis jab a few years back because that can actually be a problem and so justified relative to the risk of side effects, especially as it’s properly tested. You can’t say any of those things about the covid “vaccine” but MSM will soon be “anti-vax” straw-manning like crazy.

251419 Simon, replying to Simon, 18, #803 of 1903 🔗

Here’s one for your MP. Tweet, email, letter.

Masks don’t work,
Lockdowns don’t work,
And when I get to the ballot box,
You’ll no longer work!

251432 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Simon, 1, #804 of 1903 🔗

They work brilliantly it’s the results are not related to the votes cast

251433 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Simon, 5, #805 of 1903 🔗

Biden has a solution to the democracy problem.

251447 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Ovis, 6, #806 of 1903 🔗

Yes, I saw some of his rallies. I thought I’d accidentally tuned into a really lame episode of the walking dead…..

251460 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Simon, 3, #807 of 1903 🔗

Sadly, the alternatives all stink too or will have no chance, sofar.
And the current MPs will all have secured jobs at Big Pharma or the WEF in return for their collaboration.

251421 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #808 of 1903 🔗

Cue the imminent mandatory use of mouthwash in all enclosed public spaces:

Covid: Mouthwash ‘can kill virus in lab in 30 seconds’
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-54971650

Personally I would prefer Whiskey which could be swallowed after rinsing…..

251427 ▶▶ Simon, replying to godowneasy, 2, #809 of 1903 🔗

I hope MPs drink a lot of it, might solve another problem too…

251439 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to godowneasy, 7, #810 of 1903 🔗

Of all the ridiculous “measures” introduced, this would be one of the least expensive and disruptive I suppose, although that’s not saying much.

However alcohol mouthwashes aren’t that great for your mouth, they kill off all the native flora and leave it open to colonisation by nastier decay-causing bacteria. Given that dentists are no more, perhaps not such a clever idea.

251464 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #811 of 1903 🔗

I stopped buying mouthwash some time ago. I make my own using bicarb of soda and sea salt, with a few drops of peppermint. It’s more effective and costs next to nothing to make.

251452 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 3, #812 of 1903 🔗

Fantastic. Mouthwash for us all and back to normal

251468 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to godowneasy, #813 of 1903 🔗

So like bleach then…

251664 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to godowneasy, #814 of 1903 🔗

How about fresh parsley?

251436 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #815 of 1903 🔗

Globalist Klaus Schwab made it clear that transhumanism is an integral part of “The Great Reset” when he said that the fourth industrial revolution would “lead to a fusion of our physical, digital and biological identity,” which in his book he clarifies is implantable microchips that can read your thoughts.”


In the book, Schwab explains with excitement how upcoming technology will allow authorities to “intrude into the hitherto private space of our minds, reading our thoughts and influencing our behavior.”
He goes on to predict that this will provide an incentive for law enforcement to implement Minority Report-style pre-crime programs.

“As capabilities in this area improve, the temptation for law enforcement agencies and courts to use techniques to determine the likelihood of criminal activity, assess guilt or even possibly retrieve memories directly from people’s brains will increase,” writes Schwab. “Even crossing a national border might one day involve a detailed brain scan to assess an individual’s security risk.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/klaus-schwab-great-reset-will-lead-fusion-our-physical-digital-biological-identity

251502 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 10, #816 of 1903 🔗

Why do all the religious bodies particularly Christian ones in the UK fully support the Great Reset, back the police state and see Bill Gates as the saviour (despite family links with the eugenics movement).

I always thought transhumanism would be against every religions beliefs – turns out I was wrong. Are local priests so stupid that they can only watch and recite the BBC and Guardian propaganda? Hopefully there is a hell.

251566 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 3, #817 of 1903 🔗

They’ve been told at the top that if they don’t want to part of the cull they’ll need to get on board. Use their influence to contain tbe masses until such time as they can be dispensed with.

251569 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Darryl, 5, #818 of 1903 🔗

True Christians (independent churches) don’t support transhumanism. Mainstream churches are not Christian anymore, despite their claims.

True Christians believe there is a hell.

251692 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Alice, #819 of 1903 🔗

I doubt Pier Corbyn received a response from the Archbishop of Canterbury last week – the Church of England really needs saving from its globalist leadership.

PiersCorbyn challenges the Archbishop Of Canterbury to debate the Church’s role in the NewWorldhttps://brandnewtube.com/watch/pierscorbyn-challenges-the-archbishop-of-canterbury-to-debate-the-church-039-s-role-in-the-newworld_RMOuNtju6PSUHmb.html

251697 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Darryl, 3, #820 of 1903 🔗

It seems to me, and I speak as a Christian, that the mainstream church is essentially apostate. The mission has been reduced to the making of converts who are told their religion is private and if its true for them, that’s just great. Tragically this abandonment of our mission has led to the epidemic of wokeness and has allowed evil to become increasingly dominant, for we have failed to be salt. We need something along the lines of the Evangelical Revival under Wesley and Whitfield which bypassed the established church.

If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. (2Chr 7:14).

252090 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Darryl, #821 of 1903 🔗

I always thought transhumanism would be against every religions beliefs – turns out I was wrong. Are local priests so stupid that they can only watch and recite the BBC and Guardian propaganda? Hopefully there is a hell.

That’s because Christianity isn’t clean either. Remember that the Holocaust was partly influenced by Christian anti-Semitism and I won’t be surprised if many clerics were also supportive of the eugenics movement.

And churches here, at least the CoE at the bare minimum are simply mouthpieces of the state. I don’t think any of them see the irony of why they were created in the first place and their constant ostriching has meant that they’ve never been able to put their own house in order and live according to the Gospel.

251510 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to calchas, 4, #822 of 1903 🔗

On Sky news page, children under 10 investigated for right-wing views. Get them early.

251446 Ben, replying to Ben, 14, #823 of 1903 🔗
251490 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ben, 7, #824 of 1903 🔗

And this what Chief Constable Andy Marsh said:

“In the face of violence and intimidation they conducted themselves with restraint, courage and professionalism.
“These protesters are nothing short of disgrace, from the criminally misguided to the plain stupid.
“Whilst the majority of our communities do their best to support each other through the Covid-19 pandemic, and our NHS and other essential workers make sacrifices to keep our society going and save lives, these selfish idiots are an embarrassment to Bristol.”

Is this really the way to build public confidence in the police? Check out the responses under the twitter thread to see how the public view this tirade:

https://twitter.com/ASPolice/status/1328347860690210817

251514 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to godowneasy, 4, #825 of 1903 🔗

Excellent responses from the public. Will their Social Media manager dare tell the Chief Constable?

251635 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 2, #826 of 1903 🔗

and so many of them. hardly a single tweet of support . what a PR disaster

251518 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to godowneasy, 3, #827 of 1903 🔗

There is absolutely no hope with people like this in charge of the police. If this was for an establishment / media approved cause he would be silent or approving like with the statue incident earlier in the year.

251533 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to godowneasy, 4, #828 of 1903 🔗

Is this the same bloke who supported the BLM tearing down the statue of Edward Colston during the summer?

251644 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to godowneasy, #829 of 1903 🔗

The people on their fb thread are vile too

251448 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #830 of 1903 🔗

That’s what 94%/90% efficiency really means:
You need to vaccinate 177/256 people to prevent 1 infection.
And as such roughly 100.000 (skewed towards the risk groups) to prevent 1 death.

HIER ein ernüchternder wissenschaftlicher Kommentar im British Medical Journal (BMJ) zur euphorischen Ankündigung der Impfstoffhersteller, den ich in deutscher Fassung HIER gern wiedergebe. Zur Vorbeugung von nur einem Covid-19-Fall müssen beim BioNTech/Pfizer Impfstoff 256 Personen geimpft werden. Bei MODERNA wären es 177. Die

risikoreichen gentechnischen “Impfungen” helfen also nur bei 0,35% bzw. 0,56% der Geimpften. Das ist ein extrem schlechtes Nutzen-Risiko-Verhältnis.

Denn die anderen 255 bzw. 176 Personen haben keinen Nutzen, sind aber den unerwünschten Wirkungen der Impfstoffe ausgesetzt, wie immer diese auch sein mögen und wann immer wir von ihnen erfahren. Ein Pfizer Top Manager hat wohl geahnt, dass andere besser rechnen können als die Bundesregierung und soll noch am selben Tag seine eigenen Aktien in Millionenhöhe verkauft haben.

Für den heute von Moderna mit großer Presse vorgestellten Test gilt eine ähnlich geringe Schutzwirkung gegen Covid-19, eine Infektion, die nichts weiter ist als ein Teil der jährlichen Grippe.

Vax

Pfizer/BioNTech

MODERNA

Necessary Number to Treat

256

177

Actual Risk Reduction

0,35% 0,56%

251660 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jay Berger, #831 of 1903 🔗

That’s a lot of bang for a vaccine that sucks.

251455 Wallykazzoo, replying to Wallykazzoo, 30, #832 of 1903 🔗

During the early days of covid I mainly supported the actions of our government, albeit with a level of skepticism,
Conspiracy theories were the furthest thing from my mind .
6 months on I now find myself failing to see how this can be anything other than an organized agenda on a world wide scale
A new green deal , great reset , building back better ,all being ushered out by respective western powers
This is and never has been about a virus with a 98% survival rate
This I fear is permanent, our way life
Our liberties with never be the same again , unless more people can wake up enough tear themselves away from their strictly cum jungle instabook lives

251462 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Wallykazzoo, 9, #833 of 1903 🔗

Boris always has the Build Back Better logo behind him when he gives he incoherent rambling speeches to us

251657 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #834 of 1903 🔗

I wonder if he has the logo tattooed somewhere on his pudgy body?

251477 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Wallykazzoo, 21, #835 of 1903 🔗

I supported the government until they announced the lockdown on Friday 20th March

Since then I’ve wanted them all executed

251565 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Wallykazzoo, 5, #836 of 1903 🔗

When it first began someone sent me a video of an interview with German virologist Prof Sucharit Bhakdi, with English subtitles. He was an expert in his field willing to stake his professional reputation to tell the truth. Lockdowns, restrictions were not necessary he said

That was all I needed to see

Then the news about politicians and their Pharma shares came out. The conflicts of interest and the skulduggery. Then the stuff about the WEF..

The last nine months has been a nightmare, in part for witnessing so many people being duped

If only everyone had watched that Sucharit Bhakdi video

251605 ▶▶▶ Catherine Smith, replying to Ben, 3, #837 of 1903 🔗

100% agree. I watched Dr Bhakti on Triggonometry You Tube. His English was very good. Everyone should watch it.

251641 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Wallykazzoo, #838 of 1903 🔗

I’ve tried to pm you and it hasnt worked – can you try pm’ing me on the forum please?

251458 calchas, replying to calchas, 16, #839 of 1903 🔗

“Mounting evidence shows that pandemic-related lockdowns and restrictions have inflicted much more harm on younger people than the coronavirus itself. A new report reveals that nearly half of 18 to 24 year-olds are “showing at least moderate depressive symptoms,” and for many the depression is severe.”

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-researchers-nearly-half-of-young-adults-showing-signs-of-depression-amid-pandemic/

251503 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, 6, #840 of 1903 🔗

Are we surprised ?

251517 ▶▶ watashi, replying to calchas, 9, #841 of 1903 🔗

So much harm. Talking to a neighbour this morning who said her 20 yr old granddaughter has made several attempts to take her own life recently. So sad.

251554 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to watashi, 6, #842 of 1903 🔗

Lockdowns and restrictions are crimes against humanity. Those who push for them are complicit.

I’m hoping for an asteroid. Protests seem to be doing nothing

251649 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #843 of 1903 🔗

A football size asteroid crashing into #10 would be nice.

251558 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 3, #844 of 1903 🔗

Scandalous. Rise up. End this now.

252092 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to calchas, #845 of 1903 🔗

Anyone who still supports lockdown should be sent this article and told among others of incidents such as Arnie’s friend and Watashi’s neighbour’s granddaughter.

It’s criminal what’s happening.

251459 2 pence, 4, #846 of 1903 🔗

Operation Warp Speed: Planning the distribution of a future COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=240DMmhgp4M&ab_channel=60Minutes

251466 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #847 of 1903 🔗

The SUN editorial is rubbish.
They have drunk the vaccine and testing Kool-Aids.

251478 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #848 of 1903 🔗

I always though that it was the sort of paper where you start at the back and keep going until the end of the sport section

251470 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #849 of 1903 🔗

BREAKING: Lateral Flow Tests, agreed by PHE as 99.7% accurate, show 80% fewer cases in Liverpool v. Govt standard PCR tests. First major comparison, shows whole Govt strategy possibly based on flawed data (as many been saying for months) Urgent statement please ⁦ @MattHancock

https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1328666061848375317

251481 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Victoria, 4, #850 of 1903 🔗

It’ll be interesting to see how much suppression vs qualification vs “interpretation” will ensue.

251498 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 1, #851 of 1903 🔗

Is that a 0.3% false positive rate 65972*0.3% = 197 of 402 fp???

251509 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Victoria, 1, #852 of 1903 🔗

This will not prove to be a ‘gotcha’ moment. Unless the people tested were the same people tested at the same time the Government will say that the PCR test was testing people who thought they had symptoms whereas the Lateral Flow tests were testing the general population. It contrasts sharply with the ONS data of 2.2% infections in the population at large but it probably isn’t a direct comparator for the 2 types of test in Liverpool, this maybe an instance of comparing apples & oranges.

251519 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NickR, 1, #853 of 1903 🔗

A comparison of apples and oranges because the ONS data is based on a representative sample of the population and the mass testing of the people of Liverpool is obviously an unrepresentative sample. I look forward to hearing ministers telling the people of Liverpool that they are abnormal.

251528 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to NickR, 1, #854 of 1903 🔗

I agree that the two sets of results cannot be compared, however, the PCR ‘cases’ have always been represented in a way that they represented a cross section of the population. i.e. ‘cases’ per 100k, not cases per number of people with symptoms. I assume the new test could drop the per 100k significantly.

251534 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, 2, #855 of 1903 🔗

That’s right. And it’ll be the same as Hancock responded to JHB on Talk Radio about the vaccine. Tied in knots but nobody cares, move on.

251897 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to NickR, #856 of 1903 🔗

Am I missing something?

‘All participants receive two tests, the standard PCR test and the rapid turnaround (within 1 hour) lateral flow Innova test.’

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4436

251539 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 4, #857 of 1903 🔗

According to the BBC, there were 90 000 lateral flow tests conducted in Liverpool during the first week of mass testing. Of these, 336 were positive. Given a false positive rate of 0.3, 270 of these would have been false positives. This means Liverpool (which is where we are told the virus is out of control) 66 people out of 90 000 have the virus. And, of course, we are not told how many of the 66 are ill. This is going to require some serious spin to sell it as evidence of an out of control spread of the virus.

251576 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Steve Hayes, #858 of 1903 🔗

If the tests throw up false positives, do they also throw up false negatives ?

251684 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Leemc23, #859 of 1903 🔗

Yes, I’d have thought so.

251472 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #860 of 1903 🔗

I have this amusing thought (well amusing to me, hmm, note to me: stop smirking at your own amusing things)

Friday, the Handy Cock is still doing the rounds of radio stations etc when he hears that PD, PNN and all the others are on a flight out of the country

They just forgot to tell him

251484 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 3, #861 of 1903 🔗

Smirk all you want, this made me laugh heartily.

251485 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #862 of 1903 🔗

World Economic Forum blocked Laurence Fox from Reclaim Party

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1328654486529843200

251487 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Victoria, 5, #863 of 1903 🔗

This is so bad on so many levels.

251489 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 13, #864 of 1903 🔗

But as one of the comments states “Some would see that as a badge of honour”

251505 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to kh1485, 3, #865 of 1903 🔗

Anyone blocked by the WEF&co will NOT have to go to prison, but sentence them and the unblocked….

251531 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, 5, #866 of 1903 🔗

Gives the Reclaim Party more legitimacy and credibility

251544 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Dan Clarke, #867 of 1903 🔗

Agreed

251551 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Victoria, 1, #868 of 1903 🔗

censorship is the best publicity you can get

251646 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, 2, #869 of 1903 🔗

Block W.E.F., by any means available. Hack them, subvert them. Who out there is capable of stealthily accomplishing this task? I would if I knew how. Or, send them endless emails, tweets, etc. Overload their servers. Do something to trip them up.

251492 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 4, #870 of 1903 🔗

Just been watching some of Trudeau and Chuck Reset on my lunch break. Shame. I shouldn’t have done it. It’s like a moth to a flame. I threw up after their ultra-elitist bile.

251516 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #871 of 1903 🔗

To me Trudeau always came across as an actor playing a leader character. Not even pretending otherwise now.

251497 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 12, #872 of 1903 🔗

https://www.globalresearch.ca/medical-doctor-warns-bacterial-pneumonias-rise-mask-wearing/5725848

This is exactly what 4 German Professors have found and stated individually already, namely Profs Veith, Ewig, Kappstein and the one at the Army’s Aerodymamics institute:
In practice, everyday masking harms the wearer and might even increase the spread of the virus, even if the theoretical/lab science w/could indeed back it up, which it
doesn’t/can’t of course.

251525 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #873 of 1903 🔗

This is what infuriates me more than anything. We are having this rammed down our throats all for political reasons.

251536 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #874 of 1903 🔗

The postmortem samples we examined from people who died of influenza during 1918–1919 uniformly exhibited severe changes indicative of bacterial pneumonia.

David M. Morens , Jeffery K. Taubenberger , and Anthony S. Fauci

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2599911/

At the close of WWI, an estimated 50 million people died from the Spanish flu. Masks were the uninfected’s main line of defense.

https://www.vintag.es/2018/03/spanish-flu-masks.html

251513 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #875 of 1903 🔗

The lesson from history – one that so many people shy away from even though it has been repeated so often – is it does not take bad people to do bad things; good people are perfectly capable of doing very bad things and indeed are much more efficient and effective. Take the care home massacre. Virtually all the people involved in those tens of thousands of premature deaths are good, caring people, concerned to do their jobs as well as they are able. Yet, they placed old, vulnerable people in virtual solitary confinement, denied them access to the comfort (and oversight) of their relatives, denied them any social interaction to speak of, denied them access to the outdoors, denied them access to medical attention, put DNR notices on their notes, and many of them, entirely predictably, out of isolation and anxiety and confusion and depression simply gave up and died. This massacre of the most vulnerable is just one example of the horrors good people have inflicted since March in the name of combating the deadly virus. Good people happen to be precisely the people one needs to carry out the most barbarous of policies.

251515 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #876 of 1903 🔗

or maybe they are bad people?

251582 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, #877 of 1903 🔗

Tell me, all those doctors who have denied health to people since March, are they all bad people? Did they suddenly become bad in March?

251594 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #878 of 1903 🔗

I’m not religious and I don’t really believe in good or evil. I do believe people do good things and not so good things. I would have liked to hear more doctors speak out about the horrors of withdrawing treatment on such a scale

251610 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, #879 of 1903 🔗

There is good and evil within each of us.

Sometimes we do good.

Sometimes we do evil.

If am a doctor (who has sworn the Hippocratic Oath), then if I de ny medical care to someone who needs it, under reasonable conditions, then yes, it is morally reprehensible.

251691 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, #880 of 1903 🔗

You do know that doctors do not take the Hippocratic oath?

251625 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Steve Hayes, #881 of 1903 🔗

yes, you are judged by your actions and their actions are evil.

251687 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #882 of 1903 🔗

Just found out that a friend of mine was operated on last night for a burst appendix. She has been in pain for more than a month and only been able to get telephone appointments with doctors. One decided she had a stomach ulcer and another
something else. I hope she sues them if she survives

251755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to rose, 2, #883 of 1903 🔗

I wonder how many missed diagnoses have happened since March? How many people have needlessly suffered as a result of this exclusive focus on a virus? I wonder why so many people seem to be incapable of seeing that the responses to the virus have and are causing more harm than the virus ever could?

Best wishes for your friend.

251786 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Steve Hayes, #884 of 1903 🔗

Yes, they did indeed “suddenly became bad in March”.

The “bad” of the “bad person” is in the actions or lack thereof; saying someone is “bad person” is really just a shorthand for saying that “this person does or has done bad things”.

Now revealed, these doctors can never be seen as fully “good people” again — but they could still yet do good things before it’s too late for them. Perhaps.

252190 ▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Arkansas, #885 of 1903 🔗

Absolutely. They saw bad and did nothing about it.
I am suddenly reminded of the confession in the CofE communion service – ‘I have done those things which I ought not to have done and left undone those things which I ought to have done’. Lots of people stood by and let things happen back in March when they should have said something. They are condemned by their lack of action as much as their actual actions. Or, to use another religious quote, t hey ‘passed by on the other side’.
This is a particularly sore point for me, in that I stood by and let my sisters put my very elderly mother in a care home in June, against her wishes. I did not say to them, let’s try some other way. She lasted 5 weeks there before dying of a heart attack..

251522 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #886 of 1903 🔗

Following orders?

251523 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #887 of 1903 🔗

Good people will speak up after the fact. Many have remained silent. Complicit.

251546 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #888 of 1903 🔗

Good people will speak up after the fact.

Perhaps you recall Mid Staffs? The NHS killed more than a thousand people. There was a distinct shortage of people speaking out, at any stage.

251571 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #889 of 1903 🔗

When you are told to follow orders without knowing its consequences, that’s a case for forgiveness. When you’ve continued to aid the cover up? You’ve chosen your side

251596 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #890 of 1903 🔗

The carnage at Mid Staffs went on for years. It wasn’t hidden. It was out in the open. Senior management policies. And anyone, but the wilfully blind, could see the consequences.

251543 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #891 of 1903 🔗

This was the conclusion reached by Stanley Milgram. He wanted to understand how the Holocaust could have happened. It seems 60% of humans are Apaths (they take orders) whilst 30% are Empaths (who stand up to injustice) whilst the remaining 10% of psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists control the Apaths

251572 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ben, #892 of 1903 🔗

The third sentence does not appear to be related to the first two.

251570 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #893 of 1903 🔗

” Good people happen to be precisely the people one needs to carry out the most barbarous of policies.”

You overstate your case – really, the ‘most barbarous’ of practices.

Good people do not carry out barbarous policies.

Whether a person is good is defined by the actions they take.

Where you are right is pointing out that that bureaucratic indifference is often sufficient.

cf – Hannah Arendt – ‘the banality of evil’

In this case indifference is evil.

Good people are not called good because they are good in some ineffable way, but because they do good.

Those who participated in the care homes disaster were thinking human beings with the capacity to do good or evil.

Insofar as they surrendered their own willingness or capacity to think about what they were doing, they became accomplices.

Each person is responsible for his or her own actions.

251575 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to calchas, 2, #894 of 1903 🔗

Good people are not called good because they are good in some ineffable way, but because they do good.”

agree!

251588 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to steve_w, 1, #895 of 1903 🔗

Yes, each person of the sum total of his or her thoughts, words and deeds.

Whatever I do or do not do – that is who I am.

251602 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to calchas, #896 of 1903 🔗

I agree with this because I am not religious. There is nothing more to us than what goes on in our heads and what effect we have on the outside world

251587 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, #897 of 1903 🔗

Using your criterion, would you care to estimate how many people in this country are evil?

251597 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, #898 of 1903 🔗

We are pretty much all of us a mixture of good and evil. A constant struggle going on within each of us.

251616 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, #899 of 1903 🔗

We all have the capacity to do good, and thereby be good, or to do evil, and to thereby be evil.

251619 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, #900 of 1903 🔗

You are evading the question. Is it because the number is horribly large?

251629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, #901 of 1903 🔗

That’s not my experience of life Steve.
Many people may – at least sometimes – do evil things – but each of us has the capacity to do good.

In my experience, when evil manifests in someone it is often the result of some inner wound.

Child abuse would be a good example. The abused become abusers.

Evil begets evil.

Good begets good.

Every single one of our actions has consequences.

251631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #902 of 1903 🔗

This is why each single act of love or humanity performs not only its own good, but also shows others that a different way is possible.

251524 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 28, #903 of 1903 🔗

I know I’m just stating the obvious here, but before long culture in this country will no longer exist. It probably won’t matter whether you like live music, theatre, ballet or opera.

Nine months ago I booked tickets for a concert at the Sage in Gateshead in January 2021 featuring one of my favourite bands and a guitarist I’ve been trying to catch up with since missing him in 1972. The inevitable has happened and the evening has been cancelled with no re-scheduled date. The email from the venue mentioned that over two-thirds of their income comes from ticket sales and donations. They are currently looking to raise £3m to keep going.

It’s been mentioned before that Woodstock took place in a pandemic (Hong Kong flu). If that were to happen today, presumably Jimi Hendrix would be playing in his sitting room and half a million people would be watching on zoom. Not exactly my idea of sex, drugs and rock and roll.

251530 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Biggles, 18, #904 of 1903 🔗

I have no sympathy for venues any more. If you want to raise money to keep going, open your doors and put on a concert. I will be there.

251547 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Recusant, 11, #905 of 1903 🔗

Same, their approach has been to insufferably virtue rave whilst begging for donations and taxpayer bailouts.

251557 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Recusant, 11, #906 of 1903 🔗

Amen. Plus ditch the social distancing and muzzles.

Fight back. If they’re fined, refuse to pay, demand it go to court and keep them busy for 10,000 years.

251542 ▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Biggles, 13, #907 of 1903 🔗

I keep trying to make this point to my daughter’s ballet school, telling them to defend their own industry. They just say- one last push to defeat the virus, back to zoom classes everyone.
No thanks, i supported them all summer, not anymore.

251564 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Foxglove, 7, #908 of 1903 🔗

My 13-year-old granddaughter goes to ballet classes but she is back to doing them at home on zoom. When the ballet school did reopen after summer she had to wear a mask to go in and in the changing rooms. Of course she could take it off in the classroom as it’s such a clever virus.

251648 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Foxglove, #909 of 1903 🔗

If they just asked what a ‘case’ is they might have an epiphany

251552 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biggles, 13, #910 of 1903 🔗

Mr Bart and I donated £20 following the cancellation of the Ring Cycle next year at the Royal Festival Hall. However that will be our first & last donation as not only we can’t afford donating to all and sundry but also we’re angry and upset at the venues and institutions such as the RAH, Royal Opera, LSO, Barbican, etc for their cowardice and complicity – silent at the erosion of our civil liberties but happy to virtue signal over BLM.

251695 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bart Simpson, #911 of 1903 🔗

I agree with you about virtue-signalling.

But do you realize that you’re doing it from the other side in your simplicities about the venues and what they have to navigate?

252100 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RickH, 1, #912 of 1903 🔗

I work for a museum and know first hand the compromises that they have to do. We’re told that we have to be seen to be doing something.

All the money spent on sanitisers, cleaning, signage, one way systems have not had the desired effect of attracting visitors.

The venues and other art and cultural institutions are the same, spending all that money kowtowing to Covid “safety” regulations yet they have precious little to show for in terms of visitor numbers and revenue.

Like retail and hospitality, they should have fought this from the word go. They didn’t and they’re all now paying the price.

251562 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Biggles, 12, #913 of 1903 🔗

We have Glastonbury tickets. I met my wife there so it’s our anniversary kind of. They’re rolled over to next year, but I’m resigned to it either not happening or me needing to have had the vaccine to go. It’s a deliberate destruction of the performing arts, much like Mao’s cultural revolution.

251591 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to leggy, 1, #914 of 1903 🔗

Decadent Bourgeois Culture, according to Chairman Mao.

251680 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to richard riewer, #915 of 1903 🔗

Brought to you by Tories!

251682 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 1, #916 of 1903 🔗

Brought to the world by all manner of political leaning governments. This isn’t about left and right, it’s right and wrong, good and evil if you like.

251622 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to leggy, 4, #917 of 1903 🔗

Its weird that most of the people who support the ‘socialist’ culture are from the entertainment world and now being cancelled. Wonder if they will put up a fight.

251673 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #918 of 1903 🔗

Nah – most of them I’ve come across are grasping straws at some allowances under a new normal. I was in a group called “Save our scene” but they censored anyone who questioned the narrative. I left, it was nauseating.

251678 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, #919 of 1903 🔗

Your partisan slip is showing.

251702 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 2, #920 of 1903 🔗

The destruction of the arts is designed to silence voices. So our rulers can gaslight us more easily

251563 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Biggles, 8, #921 of 1903 🔗

I like to think Woodstock would have happened anyway because back then “progressivism” actually challenged establishments.

251583 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Biggles, 6, #922 of 1903 🔗

I love classical music and am so unenthused by next year’s program with its unknown performers and the ‘safety’ rules. I live in youknowwhich state in Australia. I get emails for the opera, theatre, classical music, etc but they’re in different states because of course we’re not getting them here. Concerts aren’t coming back anytime soon and it’s just local acts who I don’t see. We’re not even getting NYE fireworks.

God I miss concerts so much. I went to three just in Jan and Feb. I’ve seen so many big names from different genres.

251618 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Biggles, 3, #923 of 1903 🔗

My aunt has just got her money back from a cancelled concert at the Sage, they asked her to donate the ticket money, she said no.

251674 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Biggles, 8, #924 of 1903 🔗

You’ve highlighted a major catastrophe as part of the wider scene of devastation, Biggles.

The effects on the theatre, music and sport sectors are immense and far-reaching. Personally, I think it is a further testament to the impoverished personalities of those who currently end up in parliament; I’m sure that previous times would have seen a major outcry from intelligent parliamentarians with proper life experience on all sides of the political spectrum. It raises massive questions about how we have got to this pass, with the tenth-raters taking over the asylum.

But, of course, it’s not just the professional aspects of these sectors – all produce a wealth of amateur engagement that are part of the essential fabric of society.

I will not vote for anyone who has been complicit in the engineering of this devastation.

251712 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 3, #925 of 1903 🔗

I will not vote for anyone who has been complicit in the engineering of this devastation.

Nor me. The entire Establishment – whatever we thought of it, or parts of it – has let us down.

252109 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #926 of 1903 🔗

I’m not sure we will have another opportunity to vote

251527 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 45, #927 of 1903 🔗

Right, I am telling anyone who will listen about the snitches and about the council’s threat to prosecute me and fine me. Although everyone has agreed how awful that was, it really gets my bloody goat that they are standing there in their filthy face-masks nodding and going “oh yes, it’s terrible” And I just want to shout “you are part of the problem, with your ruddy compliance, just take the effing thing off” They just don’t bloody get it, do they?

251549 ▶▶ calchas, replying to kh1485, 5, #928 of 1903 🔗

I would tell them so.

I would spell it out – perhaps in a quieter way 🙂

251556 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 10, #929 of 1903 🔗

The problem is they may not approve but don’t see an alternative to compliance. I’ve got a mate like that.

251568 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to kh1485, 3, #930 of 1903 🔗

No. They don’t. But stupidity has never been hard to find. Just ignore them as much as you can. Am I right in thinking your running a business through this ? Was it a cafe ? Sorry if I am mixing you up.

251581 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Leemc23, 16, #931 of 1903 🔗

Yes, I’m trying to run a coffee shop (running the gauntlet of the authorities and snitches). I just feel beaten down with each passing day. The gormless compliance of everyone just really pisses me off because it is that that is keeping this shit-show going. If everyone just said “enough” it would be over. Trying to get that across to people appears to be a fruitless exercise.

251598 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to kh1485, 5, #932 of 1903 🔗

Without the fines and the threats it would have finished long ago, its the only reason they get compliance for the majority. There are a small minority who are just beyond hope or redemption, but their compromised immune systems will do for them soon enough.

251627 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Kev, 1, #933 of 1903 🔗

I think mine might too though from the constant relentless stress of it all

251620 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 8, #934 of 1903 🔗

I am finding a lot of people to be a lost cause now, they are so deeply committed to the cult. I’ve got no patience left to be able to have a reasoned disscusion with cult members, I just end up losing my temper.

251630 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 10, #935 of 1903 🔗

I’m the same. I just feel pure unadulterated contempt. Not only are they ruining their own lives, they’re taking us down with them. Fine, it they want this hideous dystopia, but I never signed up for this shite.

251704 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 22, #936 of 1903 🔗

A postscript to this. Just had an elderly customer – a regular – in. We tried to explain the new dystopia to her and she couldn’t understand about having to sit outside. So, I thought “bollocks to it, she’s sitting inside”. I wonder if any of our MPs could tell me how to explain to an elderly lady why she has to sit outside in the cold when she is quite happy to take the ‘risk’ of sitting inside to enjoy a drink and something to eat.

She told me about her friends – the ones she normally meets here. They are all very depressed and finding everything very difficult. She is not allowed to meet up with fellow residents inside at her sheltered accommodation – they are only allowed to meet up with one other person outside.

What a nasty, vile horrible little country this is.

251977 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 6, #937 of 1903 🔗

Just spoken to my friend who is a support worker. one place where she looks after adults with learning difficulties, they have not left the grounds since March. They are not even allowed to go out for a walk with a carer, as they could catch “covid” walking along the street to the park!
And this is in an area with very low numbers all year.

252232 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 2, #938 of 1903 🔗

I know, it’s just horrendous. If, as I am fully expecting, this damned lockdown is extended, we are going to have one day of the week reserved for providing support for our elderly customers. I think you are ‘allowed’ a gathering of 15 people.

I tell you, the look of sadness on that lady’s face this afternoon just made me so angry. I felt so very, very sad for her – not being able to see her friends. It might not mean anything to our MPs, but it is an absolute life-line for them.

251535 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #939 of 1903 🔗

Very sad to see. The Covid Cabal added Sweden to their trophy list. Difficult to be hopeful

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1328648860156243968?s=20

251561 ▶▶ James, replying to Ben, 4, #940 of 1903 🔗

Hi James,

James here. We are both posting under the same moniker but are not the same people. Could we agree on some form of differentiation otherwise I will get all the credit for your posts.

With love from James F.

251626 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Caramel, 3, #942 of 1903 🔗

True Christians! Will any of the sceptics consider sending them a message of support? (On Twitter, or here: http://www.theangelchurch.com/

251559 Caramel, #943 of 1903 🔗

How is the news that that twatty twat Cummings has gone been viewed in the UK?

251567 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #944 of 1903 🔗

To begin to understand what’s going on here folk need to research into the mad world of the biometrics, bioanalitics and biomedical agenda .

The vaccination plan is to get people used to regular jabbings . Once that happens the biosensing nano particles will be rolled into the jabs.
The govt morons see this as beneficial for multiple reasons:-
1, real time monitoring of individual vital signs, and the ability to “self diagnose” via the app , so no need to visit the gp.
2, monitor lifestyle impacts etc
3, this provides endless work for “tech” boffins and saves huge amounts of health budget costs
this is just the start . From there it’s all the way to permanent tracking of individuals on every level of existence.
They will know exactly what you are doing, when you are doing it , where you are doing it and with who .

Think this is impossible ? Checkout these as a starting point – biometrics update .com , profusa , darpa biochip .
They are already able to tracking people through keystroke analysis on the web and cctv identification by gate ie how you walk , and that’s the tip of the monster .

Then comes a life lived through interaction via the thing we used to call a mobile phone . It will become your means of existence and the injected nano particles will feed directly into it whether you like it or not .

we must resist.

251589 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #945 of 1903 🔗

Microsoft have patented a blockchain technology that releases crypto to your e wallet as your fitness tracker hits particular goals. It uses health vitals to measure them. They believe in future you can reduced health insurance costs in real time by exercising more.

It’s attractive that. But it’s this kind of tech which opens the door to social credit aspects of totalitarianism. No money required, you are given benefits or have them taken away based on your contribution to a healthy, sustainable, compliant society.

251590 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bill Grates, 11, #946 of 1903 🔗

People are going to get the shock of their lives when the Covid-19 vaccine is mandated (whether it be directly via legislation or indirectly via total exclusion from society).

I predict Q1 2021 for this to be enforced, perhaps a few months later than originally planned.

Anyone who thinks this is paranoid or delusional speculation should study recent statements widely broadcast in MSM from various public figures preparing us psychologically for just such an eventuality.

Yesterday’s UK Column News contained some choice examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MTuA9-aqCs

In the context of my prediction, this comment under the video caught my attention:

They are never going to give your old life back to you. They have stolen it from you permanently. Things will never go back to how they were. This is what your life looks like from now on, and it will be many times worse in 2021.

251642 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 4, #947 of 1903 🔗

My thought was ‘where are the unions?’.. Where is the civil unrest, the general strikes, the police siding with the people, revolution etc..

Of course it will never happen. Life has been stolen, so I want out. Hopefully governments will offer assisted suicide

251667 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ben, 1, #948 of 1903 🔗

The brainwashing has captured almost everyone. Institutions have been particularly zealous due to the concentration of system serving people at executive levels.

251573 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #949 of 1903 🔗

I have just received what amounts to a “red reminder” following last week’s invite for my 6 yo to take part in the REACT swab study. Has anyone else had repeated “invitations” for this “voluntary” study?

They have just been sent an email telling them in no uncertain terms to bog off. Hopefully that will be the last of it.

251617 ▶▶ LS99, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #950 of 1903 🔗

Yes, I had the same. I just ignored.

251579 George L, #952 of 1903 🔗

For anyone considering one of the new super duper mRNA vaccines, and those of a cautious/suspicious nature.. a viewing of this 2014 interview with Anthony Patch is an absolute must. He nails what’s obviously the agenda for the likes of the Davos set concerning the plebs..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3shYs8AncR0

251586 Kev, replying to Kev, 14, #953 of 1903 🔗

Just read an article on Lew Rockwell, that says lockdowns, mask wearing and other untested “medical interventions” violate 7 of the 10 laws of the Nuremberg code for medical ethics.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/11/ira-katz/lockdowns-immoral-illegal-and-ineffective/

251611 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Kev, 3, #954 of 1903 🔗

Yep. They do.

251592 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 4, #955 of 1903 🔗

In April WHO said the following about Asymptotic transmission. It is within this problem that most of what is going on seems to be found. For example you need a mask as you might have it and pass it on without knowing.

So April is a 7 months ago. With 800,000,000 infections do we now know for sure that Asymptotic infection occurs ?

“ Asymptomatic transmission
An asymptomatic laboratory-confirmed case is a person infected with COVID-19 who does not develop symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission refers to transmission of the virus from a person, who does not develop symptoms.
There are few reports of laboratory-confirmed cases who are truly asymptomatic, and to date, there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission. This does not exclude the possibility that it may occur. Asymptomatic cases have been reported as part of contact tracing efforts in some countries”

251606 ▶▶ George L, replying to Leemc23, 3, #956 of 1903 🔗

For the answer to that listen to this wonderful, humble man.. Professor Sucharit Bhakdi from Germany

https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE?t=314

251609 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to George L, 1, #957 of 1903 🔗

Cheers. Will listen when jogging.

251615 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to George L, 2, #958 of 1903 🔗

He IS wonderful

251751 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to Leemc23, #959 of 1903 🔗

Basically, they have no idea if there is asymptomatic transmission, and if there is it is obviously insignificant and not a driver of the epidemic. But to admit that would be to admit that masks and social distancing for people without symptoms are useless.

251760 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to jrsm, 1, #960 of 1903 🔗

… and to undermine Operation Moonshite.

251781 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, #961 of 1903 🔗

Well what counts as a “case” then?

251603 Cheezilla, 2, #962 of 1903 🔗

Hmmmm. Having noticed the determined increase in the covid-spreading threat propaganda, my suspicious mind went into overdrive:

Downing Street has a problem with covid-safety measures:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/serious-doubts-over-covid-safety-in-government-union-warns
There are “serious doubts” about coronavirus safety in government, the biggest civil servants’ union has warned, …. It has also raised questions about Covid security inside Downing Street, with three MPs at the event having previously posted photographs of themselves standing about a metre from Johnson, with no one wearing a face mask.

So has WHO Geneva:
https://apnews.com/article/65-virus-cases-who-staff-geneva-4e133325afec1d3f309ab184138e6f73
In the email, which was sent to staff on Friday, Raul Thomas, who heads business operations at WHO, noted that five people — four on the same team and one who had contact with them— had tested positive for COVID-19. That could indicate that basic infection control and social distancing procedures in place may have been broken.

Coincidence?

251614 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Leemc23, #964 of 1903 🔗

24/04/20 you can get the detail from the document itself

251636 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Leemc23, 4, #965 of 1903 🔗

Scrap the tests and the ‘pandemic’ vanishes

251639 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ben, #966 of 1903 🔗

A colleague involved in the testing was on contract until March, being extended for 6 months.

251608 Ian G, replying to Ian G, 4, #967 of 1903 🔗

So, they are telling us that Covid numbers are increasing through a lockdown. What a load of rubbish. Will they keep their lies going until the ‘Great Reset’ controls everything?

251621 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ian G, 3, #968 of 1903 🔗

Yes… and No!

As the day of the January 2021 gathering in Davos comes closer the number of lies and the spewing of PROPAGANDA will increase at the same rate as the number of FAKE POSITIVES amplifications.

251640 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Voz 0db, #969 of 1903 🔗

It’s been postponed till summer, and the venue will be different.

251708 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Alice, 1, #970 of 1903 🔗

At least the public side is postponed but they will keep the clowns working “Forum will digitally convene high-level “Davos Dialogues””…

The representatives of the SRFand the Billionaires running the Circus will keep flying on private jets and have meetings and dinners to fine tune the next operation.

251628 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Ian G, 19, #971 of 1903 🔗

If they are increasing through a lockdown, then what is the bloody point of a lockdown? People need to grow up and realise that shit happens. People die, old people die more than young people and more people die in a pandemic. You don’t just shut down the whole world because of a disease with an ifr of about 0.3% and an average age of death somewhere over eighty. That’s completely insane and unprecedented in the whole of human history.

251633 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Chicot, 1, #972 of 1903 🔗

People do know, some agree, some disagree, but the governments keep going with the agenda, it seems.

251634 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Chicot, 1, #973 of 1903 🔗

They will say the lockdown isn’t strict enough.

251637 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Chicot, #974 of 1903 🔗

That’s fundamentally it. Everything else is just noise.

251651 ▶▶ rose, replying to Ian G, #975 of 1903 🔗

Perhaps that’s a good thing? numbers of cases going up in lockdown. I was wondering if that might be the case when you make everyone stay at home together!!

251668 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to rose, 1, #976 of 1903 🔗

They will blame the people for flouting the rules and make the measures more draconian.

251612 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 10, #977 of 1903 🔗

So… that scoundrel MF (Matt Hancock) was in a public square and NOT EVEN ONE EGG or ROTTEN TOMATO or a PoS hit his face?!

No surprise he still laughs!

251716 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Voz 0db, #978 of 1903 🔗

Can you get salmonella from a thrown egg? Wouldn’t that be a delightful irony…

252004 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Andrew Fish, #979 of 1903 🔗

With the proper egg… yes!

251623 Adam, 5, #980 of 1903 🔗

We desperately need a new Government that is not Conservative not Labour both have shown themselves as utterly incompetent authoritarian and untrustworthy Boris Johnson Keir Starmer are dreadful Human beings https://www.saveourrights.uk

251632 Ben, 3, #981 of 1903 🔗

Good question…

Who is The Great Reset for?

https://twitter.com/ScottyKBF/status/1328396951155597316?s=20

251638 Sarigan, 4, #982 of 1903 🔗

Yeadon about to be on TR

251647 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 4, #983 of 1903 🔗

Has this video been posted? Time is of the essence (before Davos in Jan 2021) according to Prof Cahill. Esp listen to about 30 mins in but all of it really- any attempt at mandatory vaccination Dr Cahill will sue for attempted murder.. She expects significant deaths from the vaccine..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOor_uEQTs&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3Jv64lmZd3GbW0j8176r8snp9jIFomFOcNXQZXtZcm7RpoId268rjd94Q

251669 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Suzyv, 2, #984 of 1903 🔗

Davos has been postponed. Also new venue. But I’ll watch that later thanks.

251679 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Suzyv, 10, #985 of 1903 🔗

It’s funny how the ‘left’ who used to criticise and protest against the Davos and big business elite have now joined forces with them to crush the few who truly fight for freedom. The whole establishment and media have united agains the forces for choice and freedom and embraced big state technocracy and the police state. The Guardian readership openly celebrate peaceful protestors being beaten and arrested.

251784 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 1, #986 of 1903 🔗

The green movement, for one, has long been consumed by big business interests. They want a graduated reset for them so they maintain their power, while it’s total dystopia for the rest of us.

I am reminded of Ayn Rand and her Atlas Shrugged book. Gaults Gulch seems to me to be a place reserved for the sceptics. Those who do not wish to be part of the world until it collapses in on itself.

252083 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Darryl, #987 of 1903 🔗

So true.. I have a long term friend, a Marxist on steroids. The idiot is celebrating the downfall of capitalism. I’ve tried to inform him who the Davos set are, but to no avail..

251650 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #988 of 1903 🔗

Tucker Carlson slams Trudeau over the “great reset”
Video
https://twitter.com/BarrettWilson6/status/1328508732528005120

251775 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 3, #989 of 1903 🔗

Turdeau isn’t the only one. Joe Biden’s transition web site is buildbackbetter.com. Doesn’t make me feel any better than our PM isn’t the only one spouting this traitorous nonsense. Coincidence that world leaders are parroting the WEF slogan?

251652 chaos, 6, #990 of 1903 🔗

James Delingpole: Government handling of Covid “is the biggest scam in the history of the world”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9MOfl9layM

251656 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 20, #991 of 1903 🔗

I put this comment on the BBC website
SARS-COV-2 is now endemic.
There is no second wave, just the normal autumnal increase that all corona viruses follow.
Why this continual testing?
The RT-PCR test is not fit for purpose at 40+ cycles.
If you don’t have symptoms then why test?
The NHS is not being overwhelmed.”

The comment was removed because :
Your comment was considered to have broken the following House Rule:

“We reserve the right to fail comments which…

Are considered likely to disrupt, provoke, attack or offend others

Are racist, sexist, homophobic, sexually explicit, abusive or otherwise objectionable

Contain swear words or other language likely to offend””


251661 ▶▶ Mark, replying to p02099003, 13, #992 of 1903 🔗

Defund the BBC.

It’s the only way to be sure.

251883 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mark, 1, #993 of 1903 🔗

Let’s stick to the original and just nuke the site from orbit.

252142 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #994 of 1903 🔗

I’m liking your thinking. Possibly issues with collateral damage, but not necessarily insurmountable. Can’t make an omelette, etc.

251662 ▶▶ dpj, replying to p02099003, 14, #995 of 1903 🔗

The comment was removed because:

It contradicts the negative message the government has told us to put out.

251665 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 5, #996 of 1903 🔗

You obviously offended someone. Or provoked them to think. Or attacked the narrative. Or disrupted the agenda. That’s reason enough under our new normal.

251671 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 4, #997 of 1903 🔗

You were censored by a bot. This is a bit like that app that children are encouraged to use when they write things on SM or at school. It scans what they type then decided if they can send it or do they want to re-phrase things in order not to offend the recipient, say sexist, racist, homophobic or anti-trans things.

Ai like this is now censoring everything automatically.

251677 ▶▶ Liam, replying to p02099003, 6, #998 of 1903 🔗

If you pay your licence fee, you need to stop. Today. I stopped many months ago, there is literally nothing they can do.

251761 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Liam, #999 of 1903 🔗

Can you do that without notifying them? And does it mean you shouldn’t be watching i-player or anything like that. I was hoping the law would be amended to decriminalisate non-payment but that hasn’t happened has it. Now thinking of cancelling it anyway.

251907 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CGL, 1, #1000 of 1903 🔗

The rules say you must have a licence to watch iPlayer.

Additionally, if you watch or record any live broadcast from anywhere in the world by any means, you must have a TV licence. So, no governmental overreach there. 😐

252095 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Liam, #1001 of 1903 🔗

On the contrary there seems to be no limit to what they can do.
My wife’s sister has been in a care home for dementia for the past 16 months and being of an age that previously did not require a licence, there was no licence for the premises when she went into the care home.
We have had to sell the house to pay for her care and the house is now virtually empty and certainly has no resident nor any device capable of receiving a TV broadcast .
TVlicencing have twice been informed of this, but still they send very menacing lettes demanding the money. The latest (remember they are sending this to someone they know is nearly 80, with dementia) said they they have investigated the property and are arranging a court hearing to enter the premises with police attendance (presumably by breaking down the door because the place is untenanted) and they threaten fines of £1000 + expenses and the possibity of imprisonment..
There seems to be no way one can correct their misapprehensions . Either the staff at TV licencing are totally incompetent and illiterate or they are prepared to do anything to get their hands on money even or especially when they are not entitled to it. And there is nothing we can say or do to stop them it seems.

251688 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to p02099003, 1, #1002 of 1903 🔗

Shocking.

251698 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to mattghg, #1003 of 1903 🔗

For the beeb not so much.

251689 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 17, #1004 of 1903 🔗

This is the comment I put on the appeal form:
Your comments: Why are you removing a post that is perfectly valid.
There is evidence that SARS-COV-2 is endemic.
There is evidence that there is no second wave and that the current infection trajectory is common to other corona viruses
There is evidence that the PCR test using 40+ steps is inappropriate, the inventor said as much
There is evidence from the test manufacturer that it should only be used prescriptively by a physician within 5 days of symptom onset.
There’s evidence that the NHS is not being overwhelmed.
Therefore what is your objection, other than it doesn’t fit with the BBC’s view of reality.

251798 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to p02099003, #1005 of 1903 🔗

Will you let us know if they respond?
The whole situation is outrageous.
”In war, truth is the first casualty.”

251887 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Banjones, 3, #1006 of 1903 🔗

They have reinstated the comment.

“Dear BBC User,
Thank you for contacting the BBC.
In this instance, it appears your comment was removed in error so we have reinstated it.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention and please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused.
Due to the volume of correspondence we receive, we are unable to discuss this matter further.
Regards,
BBC Moderation Services”

252006 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to p02099003, #1007 of 1903 🔗

1-0
Well done!

251663 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1008 of 1903 🔗

Sebastian Rushworth on Long Covid. I’m inclined to agree with him that it’s not an extraordinary or unique issue.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/17/what-is-long-covid/

251693 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Nobody2020, #1009 of 1903 🔗

Dr. Rushworth nails it!

251722 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #1010 of 1903 🔗

Earlier this year I saw a patient with upper right abdominal pain. The test for acute gall bladder was positive and I referred him to the surgeons for further assessment.
He had been in ITU for quite a while with CoViD19 about 6 weeks earlier.
I wasn’t going to dismiss it as being covid related, but that wasn’t my call, even without the history I was going to send him anyway, so my management did not change.

I have seen people with Guillain-Barre syndrome after having had gastroenteritis. I have seen one person, when I worked in A&E, who had unexplained bruising 2 weeks after gastroenteritis. Post viral syndromes definitely exist, but are quite rare. I think they are more due to an over sensitive immune system causing an autoimmune response.

251725 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1011 of 1903 🔗

Long Covid sounds like a malingerers illness and some seem to like the attention it gives them. Social media has a lot to answer for.

251746 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1012 of 1903 🔗

Post viral syndrome is nothing new. It took me ages to recover from a horrid bout of chicken pox in my 20s. By the way, not sure I’ve ever come across asymptomatic chicken pox either!

251774 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nobody2020, #1013 of 1903 🔗
251676 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #1014 of 1903 🔗

Another Historical Parallel

So today’s quote comes from Nevil Shute’s “Slide Rule” (1954)

“It was no fault of the Cardington party that they had the Air Ministry press department always nagging at their elbow for a story to put out in order that the expenditure of public money might be justified, but the effect was a stream of optimistic forecasts in the newspapers from the men who were building the R101 which in the end were to build a ring fence around them from which there was no escape.”

251686 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #1015 of 1903 🔗

Of course airships are perfectly safe.
Deny that and Labour will put you in prison.

251726 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #1016 of 1903 🔗

.. and the R101 crashed.

251681 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #1017 of 1903 🔗

A typical comment from a Telegraph reader, these account for about 80% of the views now:-
“So Johnson is self-isolating so he can hide in a cupboard when the inevitable Brexit breakdown fallout happens.
And did this odious Government not seriously think about the potential downside in levelling £10k fines on folk who clearly do not have the means to pay and would likely stuff their lives up for years to come?
The People really are getting angry…”

251705 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to nickbowes, 11, #1018 of 1903 🔗

Not enough are getting angry that’s the problem.

251711 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to nickbowes, 10, #1019 of 1903 🔗

The Telegraph readers in the comments section are increasingly getting fed up with the paper which is increasing becoming nanny statist, globalist and anti freedom.

Most of the readers want a smaller state and less government interference and the Telegraph go and employ columnist like Celia Walden who want the opposite. I am sure many readers are ready to jump ship if a better alternative comes along, the same with the Spectator.

251718 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Darryl, 2, #1020 of 1903 🔗

What is also interesting is the number of dissenting voices that come out with the same thing on the comments. They completely avoid any engagement with the discussion and statistics and just keep spouting the government narrrative. Are they from GCHQ disinformation division or just general “run of the mill” trolls?

251740 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1021 of 1903 🔗

I used to occasionally get bombarded with automated troll comments on the Telegraph, always unrelated scripted insults, they came back quicker than anyone could possibly type. I complained to the Telegraph and they didn’t bother replying so I just cancelled my subscription and split the money saved between independent media.

251735 ▶▶▶ Michael C, replying to Darryl, 2, #1022 of 1903 🔗

CW’s column in the main section of today’s Telegraph has absolutely nothing on Matthew Lynn’s piece in today’s business section on ‘the vaccine’. A really appalling rant from a normally reliable economic writer which needs Toby’s attention in tomorrow’s LS offering.

251779 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Michael C, 1, #1023 of 1903 🔗

Agreed, I commented on that last night, appalling. And tellingly, no comments allowed.

251758 ▶▶▶ Cane Corso, replying to Darryl, 4, #1024 of 1903 🔗

I started taking the Speccie again on hearing they were forgoing state cash. But now unsubscribing and switching my lucre to FSU and LS among other better things.

251685 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 16, #1025 of 1903 🔗

How many people are aware of this study:
https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/new-study-lockdowns-masks-are-useless-and-might-even-increase-covid-19-spread/

A recently completed research study by Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in cooperation with the Naval Medical Research Center and published in the New England Journal of Medicine has found that strict quarantine, tightly controlled social distancing, and continuous use of masks did absolutely nothing to contain the spread of COVID-19, and might even have increased its spread.

First, the study used 1,843 Marine volunteers, individuals well trained to follow orders as well as the required procedures. Second, their quarantine took place at Marine facility under the supervision of the military. Both factors meant that the volunteers were going to follow procedures much more correctly than the general public.

251699 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Nessimmersion, 11, #1026 of 1903 🔗

It was in the round up a couple of days back. Lets face it though, there are thousands upon thousands of studies by serious, distinguished experts in many, many fields pointing these things out, and they don’t seem to make any headway at all with the idiot population.

251769 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, 3, #1027 of 1903 🔗

I’d sent this to a lockdown fanatic saying it was a head scratcher to say the least.

His response was that they were sharing rooms, it was bound to happen. Can’t wait till they bring in all these misinformation laws and people like him will be gagged for denouncing scientific research in such ways.

251694 wendyk, 6, #1028 of 1903 🔗

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-nurse-suspended-after-branding-23020112

A brave nurse has been suspended,and we are about to corralled in Tier 4! Utter madness!

251701 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 9, #1029 of 1903 🔗

The Holyrood Harridan has spoken. For the next three weeks until 11th December I’m in lockdown.

251706 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Just about sane, 9, #1030 of 1903 🔗

Same here;everything closes once more.Economic vandalism. Social destruction. I can’t take much more of this.

8 months’ worth of open, close, do this, don’t do that.

How on earth will our struggling small businesses survive this latest imposition?

251710 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to wendyk, 10, #1031 of 1903 🔗

They won’t and sadly it’s all part of the plan.

251707 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 18, #1032 of 1903 🔗

Just listened to Ian Collins’ interview of James Delingpole (yesterday). At the end someone had sent a tweet (or text) saying:

“As I am on furlough and receiving money for this, the least I can do is follow the rules”

This is probably the reason that many are not pushing back. People like this just don’t seem to understand that they are on furlough because of the government’s ineptitude and are somehow grateful for the government’s handout.

251723 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1033 of 1903 🔗

Dependency breeds compliance. That’s what they’re counting on.

251713 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 8, #1034 of 1903 🔗

The latest from the Bernician.

COVID-1984 PCP UPDATE | My experience of the past few days reminds me of Muhammad Ali’s journey through the Rumble in the Jungle.
After being bludgeoned with George Foreman’s sledgehammer fists for seven rounds, Ali knocked him out in the eighth round, when Foreman had exhausted himself and could hardly lift his arms, let alone defend himself.
So following my seven rounds of absorbing all the punches and low blows from numerous opponents, here lies a redacted copy of the email we received last Friday, confirming that I wasn’t talking “nonsense”, “coo-coo” or “fantasy” and that the warrant application was due to be processed yesterday.
Since beginning to write this post, we have received the following email from the Chief Magistrates office:
“I can confirm that the application was sent to the Senior District Judge last Friday and she nominated a District Judge based at Westminster Magistrates Court to deal with your application.
As we are an administrative office only, we cannot process your application and it must be dealt with by a court. This is now with the legal team at Westminster Magistrates Court and once the Judge has made his ruling you will be hearing from them direct.”
The ruling the judge has to make is as follows:
1. Whether the criminal procedure and practice directions have been adhered to, in which case the arrest warrant must be issued.
2. Whether the accused should be arrested, or ordered to give himself up at the local police station by a certain time, to be charged and brought before the crown court to plead.
3. Whether the case is of such public importance that it must be taken over by the Director of Public Prosecutions.
In summary, the warrant application has now been approved by the legal advisers at the magistrates court in Suffolk where we laid the papers, as well as the Chief Magistrate and her legal advisers.
Now all we need to happen for the warrant to be issued, one way or another, is to clear the final hurdle – obtaining the approval of the legal team at Westminster Magistrates Court.
News on that front will follow, as soon as it comes in, whilst my detractors wince at the denouement of the truth revealing itself for all to see.
To the vast majority who kept the faith, no matter what anybody falsely claimed, thank you. Your loyalty will never be forgotten.

251721 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #1035 of 1903 🔗

I see Matt Hancock has read this post and he doesn’t like it.

251728 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Basileus, #1036 of 1903 🔗

Basileus – I think I am missing the back story to this – where can I find it, or can you give a brief explanation to the background.

251736 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ozzie, #1037 of 1903 🔗

It is quite a long story Ozzie, but you can start with these two websites:

https://www.thefreedomcycle.com

thebernician.net

251741 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Basileus, #1038 of 1903 🔗

‘rope a dope’

251715 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1039 of 1903 🔗

What exactly are essential items?
Went into Kidderminster this morning and I walked through one of the 2 small shopping centres and every shop including a cafe ( takeaway food) and a branch of “Bodycare” was closed EXCEPT 2 businesses; Santander bank ( fair enough) and a photo shop; now how essential is having photos printed off and buying photograph albums and frames?
Still, I suppose it makes as much sense as anything else in this mad world.

251729 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1040 of 1903 🔗

Betting shops open I take it?

251744 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1041 of 1903 🔗

Of course.

251717 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 31, #1042 of 1903 🔗

Great news guys. I’ve just discovered a vaccine for Coronavirus that will be a real game changer. It has a 99.95% success rate in preventing the illness which is way above even the most optimistic projections of the others in development. It also has no side-effects and, you’re not going to believe this, I’ve found a way to make it completely free, not even R&D costs. It’s actually a natural remedy that involves eating some fruit and vegetables, getting some fresh air, exercise and sunlight and mixing with other people. It will also help if you are exposed to some germs and dirt when you are younger. What’s more it’s even been found to have a significant benefit for a whole range of conditions, not just Covid.

Too good to be true? Well I tried going to the pharmaceutical companies but they rejected it because they couldn’t find a way to use it to siphon off billions of pounds from the public purse. So I tried going to the government instead and they weren’t interested either which was a bit more confusing. They didn’t really say why. I did contact the BBC for a bit of publicity but they thought it was a bit too boring to tell people about.

Anyway, I’ve got to go now as a car has pulled up outside my house and two very serious looking men in dark glasses have got out. I’ll just go and see what they want. Ta-ta for now.

251720 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Achilles, 3, #1043 of 1903 🔗

Who knew the immune system was so controversial?

251730 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Achilles, 14, #1044 of 1903 🔗

In my younger years I knew a very clever medic at Oxford uni (I wasn’t at the uni I hasten to add). He discovered a one time cure for psoriasis (which I suffer from). Thinking he was set for life, he approached the pharma companies and was point blank turned down on every front. Why? Because there is no money in a 100% cure but there is in ongoing treatments.

251743 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Sarigan, 9, #1045 of 1903 🔗

The lifelong autoimmune issues that will result from the vaccine will give big pharma patients for life. It’s a great business model — make people sick and then provide the drugs to mask the symptoms. At a hefty profit, of course.

251766 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sarigan, 4, #1046 of 1903 🔗

Have you ever seen the film “The man in the White suit”?
The plot involves a man who creates a material which never wears out and of course the clothing manufacturers and unions hale him as a hero until they realise that after the initial sales of clothing made from this material, they wouldn’t be able to or need to sell anymore.
Exactly along the lines of the situation you described.

251783 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1047 of 1903 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUI7JsFjZU

The Great Lightbulb Conspiracy

251794 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1048 of 1903 🔗

but the material proved to be unstable and disintegrated. much like the current prime minister and his government

251880 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mjr, #1049 of 1903 🔗

BRILLIANT analogy.

252056 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sarigan, #1050 of 1903 🔗

Did you jot down the details ? 🙂

251807 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Achilles, 1, #1051 of 1903 🔗

Date: 17/11/23
Location: undisclosed
Message: scrambled

The underground movement have sent you this food parcel containing dried goods and vitamins with all good wishes from your fellow dissenters on the outside.

We are sorry to hear, via our secret agents within the gulag/re-education facility of your most recent mind control ordeal.

We have managed to contact your family and assured them of your survival.

Keep strong my brother for victory will be ours.

251731 jb12, replying to jb12, 16, #1052 of 1903 🔗

It is now illegal to travel between council areas in Scotland and to travel to England – imagine the uproar in the media here if this was announced in Russia or North Korea! The sheeple will still think they are getting to go back to the pub and to Primark after they have been injected with their sterilising fluid.

It is too late now, society has changed irrevocably; no return to whatever you thought you had before March. Stalin will be pushing for mandatory vaccinations and the sheeple will praise ‘Nicola’ for ‘doing a great job’ as their lives lie in ruins.

251737 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to jb12, 5, #1053 of 1903 🔗

We are imprisoned;there’s no other way to describe this. My small town will struggle to survive .

251745 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to wendyk, 8, #1054 of 1903 🔗

As Johnson said, devolution is disastrous. For the simple reason that she will not be challenged, opposed or asked to pay for any of this. UK Government should start challenging this, in the courts if necessary. These people are British citizens, not Scottish ones

251742 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to jb12, 1, #1055 of 1903 🔗

But is it illegal? Can you be arrested for attempting to leave the country?

251756 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1057 of 1903 🔗

According to bbc, yes “it will become law from Friday “. We will not be allowed to leave our own council areas except for certain essential purposes.

I could cry, can’t believe we’re walking in fact running into allowing this wee witches dictatorship.

251771 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Just about sane, 4, #1058 of 1903 🔗

https://clearyourhead.scot/

And she’s offered this piece of patronising gobbledegook to help us to stay sane,as an alternative to calling 111 🙁 imagine the call to 111-‘I’m going round the bend; my head’s exploding; I’m under house arrest; even the libraries have closed again; I’m starting to hallucinate about freedom and enjoying life; I’m talking to myself-there’s no one else to talk to’.

111 : ‘There’s no one available to take your call; please call back later’.

She knows it’s tough:

“Our objective in taking this action now is to protect the NHS, create the prospect of seeing some loved ones at Christmas and completing the journey to next spring with as few restrictions as possible and with the minimum impact on life and health.”

GRrrrrr!!

How can anyone be taken in by this touchy-feely propaganda? And note next spring-ominous.

251776 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to wendyk, 2, #1059 of 1903 🔗

“Journey”

Remember every little folksy pause, chuckle, and aside is endlessly practiced in front of the mirror.

Someone on the beeb going for the ‘should have been done earlier’ angle. If that’s the only thing to stop the hero worship – we’ll take it

251778 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to wendyk, 3, #1060 of 1903 🔗

How can anyone be taken in by this touchy-feely propaganda? And note next spring-ominous.

Because she is ‘doing better than Boris.’ Most of the Scottish people deserve everything they are getting.

251797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to jb12, 10, #1061 of 1903 🔗

Unfortunately I have to agree with you. The amount of highly educated people I know are being taken in, hook line and whatever.
Also the same ones are retired and none of this effects them money wise and believe it’s for a greater good.

I really wish I could say it was mainly the less educated thinking this is OK, it’s not and no one is listening to me because I’m just a cleaner.

251815 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Just about sane, 3, #1062 of 1903 🔗

Is it not strange how easily the educated persuade themselves of the rightness of something that anyone without such advantages can see is nonsense?

252042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Steve Hayes, #1063 of 1903 🔗

My ex, a PHD but a rebel , always used to say that those most educated by the system always stuck the closest to it

252093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to George L, #1064 of 1903 🔗

Yes, they have more invested in it. That goes for anyone ‘doing well’ within a particular system.

251890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Just about sane, 2, #1065 of 1903 🔗

Don’t say that about yourself; you’re a free thinking intelligent soul who can see through the spin and the propaganda.

My lockdown adherent friends are all retired home owners with decent incomes and savings.

251809 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to wendyk, 1, #1066 of 1903 🔗

It was always going to be next spring (if that) for all of us, everywhere.

251738 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 15, #1067 of 1903 🔗

The inefficiency of the NHS in Scotland has been laid bare today. The entire country has 93 “Covid” patients in ICU, so Nicola has locked down over 2 million people to “protect the NHS”.

251749 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Mark H, 4, #1068 of 1903 🔗

Ridiculous isn’t it. Just heard her still use the term “infections” to describe a positive test! It’s just flat out lying.

251785 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1069 of 1903 🔗

… or a degree of stupidity that should bar her from public office.

251759 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mark H, 5, #1070 of 1903 🔗

Which will leave 14 days until Christmas. Most of them here will be obey without question: she’s like a female Svengali,so great is her hold over the faithful.

251773 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to wendyk, 4, #1071 of 1903 🔗

Her goons have already made noises about cancelling Christmas. And yes, demanding a pathetic, miserable “virtual” knock-off is as good as cancelling it.

251747 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #1072 of 1903 🔗

Why are people getting fines when they are under no obligation to open the door to the police without a warrant?

252049 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1073 of 1903 🔗

COVID-19: Police to stop issuing £10,000 ‘super fines’ over concerns they can be challenged in court: Sky News page.

251752 Dan Clarke, 6, #1074 of 1903 🔗

Delores Cahill says that we all need to ask what the Causal agent of the coronavirus is, before accepting that there can be a vaccine.

251753 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 25, #1075 of 1903 🔗

Just thought I’d cancel a few direct debits…

————-

TO: contactus@amnesty.org
SUBJECT: What is Amnesty International’s stance on COVID-19?

Good Afternoon,

I have been a donor to Amnesty International for a number of years now.

I was pleased that the little I could afford to give every month went towards protecting human rights around the globe.

As a UK citizen, for the last 8 months I and millions of my countrymen have been under virtual house arrest and had many of the human rights (enshrined in the UN Declaration of Human Rights) taken away from us.

It is becoming clear from official statistics that “the virus” is not as lethal as what the news or government says and there is much evidence that the PCR tests that they use to determine the number of “cases” is not accurate and should not be used for mass population testing in the way that it has been.

I wondered what Amnesty was doing to try and restore all of our rights.

I also wondered what the official view of Amnesty International is regarding forced vaccinations.

I have cancelled my Direct Debit and will not consider donating again until I receive a satisfactory reply.

Thanks,

DONOR-SLAVE-357

251770 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1076 of 1903 🔗

You ought to write to Chakrabatty at ‘Liberty’ as well.

252103 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Cranmer, #1077 of 1903 🔗

This is an email that I received from Liberty a couple of weeks ago (I am on its list, but don’t donate – thankfully):

This morning I wrote to the Prime Minister laying out urgent steps to ensure everyone in the UK is adequately protected during the upcoming national lockdown.

Liberty has supported proportionate measures to protect public health since the start of the pandemic. But far from all ‘being in it together’, too many people have fallen through the cracks of the Government’s response.

With a month-long lockdown coming on Thursday, this must be addressed now.

Protecting everyone

Liberty has recommended a number of measures to be included in the new legislation and guidance, including:

There must be a ‘sunset clause’ in the law requiring new restrictions to end on Wednesday 2 December.

Additional police enforcement powers should be minimal.

All self-isolating workers should receive full sick pay, and ‘clinically extremely vulnerable’ workers should receive full sick pay if they can’t work from home.

People must not lose their homes.

Local authorities must have the funding to maintain or enhance their social care provision.

There must be funding to ensure homeless people can access safe and suitable accommodation, regardless of their immigration status.

Refuges and domestic violence services must have funding to meet increasing levels of need.

Charging migrants for NHS services must stop, as well as data-sharing for immigration enforcement purposes, and the ‘no recourse to public funds’ rule should be suspended.

And it is vital that everyone knows exactly what we can and can’t do. Government messaging has been confusing for the public and police since the start of the pandemic.

I have also called on the Prime Minister to make sure communications from public authorities accurately distinguish between law and guidance – and come from reliable sources we can all access, not anonymous sources or paywalled publications.

Safeguarding liberties and equality is essential to protect public health. Liberty will always strive to work with the Government to make sure that everyone in the UK is treated fairly, with dignity and respect.

Take care,

Gracie Bradley

Interim Director

251830 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1078 of 1903 🔗

Thats great. Rather donate to Free Speech Union

251863 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 5, #1079 of 1903 🔗

I’ve done the same. I was giving a monthly donation to our Hospital For Sick Children and would have continued as they came out in July with a recommendation that school proceed normally and that kids not be masked or social distanced. Then, under political pressure, a minority of the signatories did a reversal and recommended masks from grade 4 and above. Now our provincial government has gone one further and masked all children, even 4-year-olds in junior kindergarten. No more money from me. My charitable giving is now going only to people and organizations that are fighting for freedom.

252040 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1080 of 1903 🔗

i did the same to the BBC

251964 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, #1081 of 1903 🔗

I’ve been putting up links on FB posts all over the place for the FSU

251846 ▶▶ fran, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1082 of 1903 🔗

In recent years I and members of my family have been refering to that organisation as ‘SHAMnesty International’ as it is one of the many ‘uman rites’ NGOs whos attitude to the migrant crisis in Europe is to side with the migrants and give European citizens a damn good kicking every time they preceive that we are not looking after the migrants properly.

252022 ▶▶ Sue, replying to captainbeefheart, #1083 of 1903 🔗

you didn’t arrive by dingy with a shiny iphone therefore Amensty International don’t give two hoots about you!

251754 paulito, replying to paulito, 4, #1084 of 1903 🔗

Hancock looks like a total loon in that still from the interview with piss moron.

251767 ▶▶ DRW, replying to paulito, #1085 of 1903 🔗

Both of them make what must be the most nauseating LS headline image yet but the Handy Cock especially.

251802 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to paulito, 1, #1086 of 1903 🔗

He always looks like a total loon.

251757 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #1087 of 1903 🔗

In the Plantation where I slave on, we have a fresh court of appeals ruling stating that:

16. In the case that concerns us now, there is no indication or proof, that such diagnosis was actually carried out by a professional qualified under the Law and who had acted in accordance with good medical practices. In fact, what follows from the facts taken for granted, is that none of the applicants was even seen by a doctor, which is frankly inexplicable, given the alleged seriousness of the infection.

17. In fact, the only element that appears in the proven facts in this regard is the performance of RT-PCR tests, one of which presented a positive result in relation to one of the applicants.

i. However, in view of the current scientific evidence, this test is, in itself, incapable of determining, beyond reasonable doubt, that such positivity corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, by several reasons, of which we highlight two (to which is added the issue of gold standard which, due to its specificity, we will not even address): For this reliability depend on the number of cycles that make up the test; For this reliability depend on the amount of viral load present.

ii. Indeed, the RT-PCR (polymerase chain reaction) tests, molecular biology tests that detect the RNA of the virus, commonly used in Portugal to test and list the number of infected (after nasopharyngeal collection), are performed by amplifying samples , through repetitive cycles. The number of cycles of such amplification results in the greater or lesser reliability of such tests.

iii. And the problem is that this reliability is shown, in terms of scientific evidence (and in this field, the judge will have to rely on the knowledge of experts in the field), more than debatable. This is the result, among others, of the very recent and comprehensive Correlation study between 3790 qPCR positives samples and positive cell cultures including 1941 SARS-CoV-2 isolates, by Rita Jaafar, Sarah Aherfi, Nathalie Wurtz, Clio Grimaldier, Van Thuan Hoang, Philippe Colson, Didier Raoult, Bernard La Scola, Clinical Infectious Diseases, ciaa1491, https: //doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciaa1491,em https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093 / cid / ciaa1491 / 5912603, published at the end of September this year, by Oxford Academic, carried out by a group that brings together some of the greatest European and world experts in the field. This study concludes [2], in free translation: “At a cycle threshold (ct) of 25, about 70% of the samples remained positive in the cell culture (i.e. they were infected): in a ct of 30, 20% of the samples remained positive; in a ct of 35, 3% of the samples remained positive; and at a ct above 35, no sample remained positive (infectious) in cell culture (see diagram). This means that if a person has a positive PCR test at a cycle threshold of 35 or higher (as in most laboratories in the USA and Europe), the chances of a person being infected are less than 3%. The probability of a person receiving a false positive is 97% or higher ”.

iv. What follows from these studies is simple – the possible reliability of the PCR tests performed depends, from the outset, on the threshold of amplification cycles that they support, in such a way that, up to the limit of 25 cycles, the reliability of the test will be about 70%; if 30 cycles are carried out, the degree of reliability drops to 20%; if 35 cycles are reached, the degree of reliability will be 3%.

v. However, in the present case, the number of amplification cycles with which PCR tests are carried out in Portugal, including the Azores and Madeira, is unknown, since we were unable to find any recommendation or limit in this regard.

vi. For its part, in a very recent study by Elena Surkova, Vladyslav Nikolayevskyy and Francis Drobniewski, accessible at https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext , published in the equally prestigious The Lancet, Respiratory Medicine, it is mentioned (in addition to the multiple questions that the precision of the test itself raises, regarding the specific detection of the sars-cov virus 2, due to strong doubts about the fulfillment of the so-called gold standard) that ( free translation): “Any diagnostic test must be interpreted in the context of the actual possibility of the disease, which existed before its realization. For Covid-19, this decision to perform the test depends on the previous assessment of the existence of symptoms, previous medical history of Covid 19 or the presence of antibodies, any potential exposure to this disease and no likelihood of another possible diagnosis. ”[3] “One of the potential reasons for presenting positive results may lie in the prolonged shedding of viral RNA, which is known to extend for weeks after recovery, in those who were previously exposed to SARS-CoV-2.

251765 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1088 of 1903 🔗

However, and more relevantly, there are no scientific data to suggest that low levels of viral RNA by RT-PCR are equivalent to infection, unless the presence of infectious viral particles has been confirmed by laboratory culture methods. In summary, Covid-19 tests that show false positives are increasingly likely, in the current epidemiological climate panorama in the United Kingdom, with substantial personal, health and social system consequences. ”[4]

18. Thus, with so many scientific doubts, expressed by experts in the field, which are the ones that matter here, as to the reliability of such tests, ignoring the parameters of their performance and there being no diagnosis made by a doctor, in the sense of existence of infection and risk, it would never be possible for this court to determine that AH___ had the SARS-CoV-2 virus, nor that SH__SWH__ and NK_ had had high risk exposure.

This was a ruling made on Nov 11, 2020, so it’s fresh, but I’m not seeing any signs of changes! In fact there is almost ZERO news about this one… The USUAL!

source

251780 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1089 of 1903 🔗

Fascinating legal analysis of the logic of PCR testing as an indicator of disease.

The conclusions are so f.ing obvious.

251998 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to RickH, #1090 of 1903 🔗

Sad part… Even this doesn’t matter!

251762 PWL, replying to PWL, 1, #1091 of 1903 🔗

A page of guff that bases itself on the premise that “Covid-19” is real, thus communicating to those who read it that “Covid-19” is real.

A List Of FBEL’s Covid-19 Articles – And Brief Comments Regarding Continuation Of Coronahoax

251804 ▶▶ calchas, replying to PWL, #1092 of 1903 🔗

I couldn’t agree more.

If a discussion assumes the validity of the basic covid-19 narrative, then it strengthens that narrative.

251763 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1093 of 1903 🔗

What`s the case with the https://www.deagel.com/ website ?

people keep mentioning it – esp considering it means doomsday for us by 2025,

or are the people behind it simply trolling the “great satan” ie USA and UK !!

251801 ▶▶ calchas, replying to nickbowes, 3, #1094 of 1903 🔗

The forecasts are predicated on the end of western welfare states as a result of financial crisis.

The population reductions to come about as a result of the collapse of pensions, health care and aged care, and civil strife as groups fight for greater shares of dwindling pies.

The authors also anticipate net emigration.

It is not just US and UK, but all western states with unfundable welfare states going forward, shrinking tax bases and ever fewer productive industies.

251768 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1095 of 1903 🔗

https://mobile.twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1328666061848375317

Breaking news: lateral flow tests in Liverpool show 80% fewer positive cases than govt PCR.

Tests touted by PHE as 99.7% accurate.

251772 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1096 of 1903 🔗

… and even then, do we know the status (re. actual infection) of a ‘positive’ test?

It’s such a shit-show.

251777 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to A. Contrarian, #1097 of 1903 🔗

The 2 tests are not testing the same populations.

PCR – Symptomatic so more likely to test positive.
LF – Asymptomatic so less likely to test positive.

251788 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mayo, 2, #1098 of 1903 🔗

I agree this could be an issue. Without knowing the composition of the two different groups it’s hard to judge. Poor science for that info not to be collected.

Plenty of people with no symptoms go for Tier 2 testing from my knowledge. People who need weekly tests for work etc. Also how do we know that no one with symptoms went for LFT to get a quick and easy answer? Think it was open to all.

I thought all the LFTs were followed up with PCR but there’s no mention of that here.

251790 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 3, #1099 of 1903 🔗

Yet, the ONS (representative sample) also shows far higher rate than the Liverpool mass testing.

251796 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1100 of 1903 🔗

True I forgot about that, ONS is supposedly random.

251877 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, #1101 of 1903 🔗

ONS asserts that the study is a representative sample.

251826 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mayo, 2, #1102 of 1903 🔗

but havent people who are asymptomatic, but have been told to get a test because of a possible contact with a positive person (eg child contact at school) , going to test centres and being tested with the PCR test.

251835 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, #1103 of 1903 🔗

Evidence?

‘All participants receive two tests, the standard PCR test and the rapid turnaround (within 1 hour) lateral flow Innova test.’

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4436

251843 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mayo, #1104 of 1903 🔗

Fair point.

However you can compare lateral flow with the ONS random sampling which showed 2.2% SARS-CoV2 +ve for the week to 6th November for the North West.

Given Liverpool is supposedly the hardest hit region of the North West not unreasonable to assume ONS gives at least 2.2% for Liverpool

The lateral flow test gave 0.7% for Liverpool

So at least 68% or so lower for LF vs PCR perhaps in Liverpool

251875 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mayo, #1105 of 1903 🔗

Oh dear more bollocks from Mayo

252213 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Cecil B, #1106 of 1903 🔗

Everytime someone mentions the P C R test and up it pops like a little imp .

251945 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Mayo, #1107 of 1903 🔗

I’m not convinced. How can you possibly know this?

251948 ▶▶▶ caravaggio57, replying to Mayo, #1108 of 1903 🔗

All it needs is for weekly publication of the PCR false positive rate for the Pillar 2 labs. Not rocket science, but I doubt that it would follow the allowed narrative.

251787 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, #1109 of 1903 🔗

According to the BBC, there were 90 000 lateral flow tests conducted in Liverpool during the first week of mass testing. Of these, 336 were positive. Given a false positive rate of 0.3, 270 of these would have been false positives. This means Liverpool (which is where we are told the virus is out of control) 66 people out of 90 000 have the virus. And, of course, we are not told how many of the 66 are ill. This is going to require some serious spin to sell it as evidence of an out of control spread of the virus.

251791 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1110 of 1903 🔗

Here are the figures from Liverpool City Council.

251793 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DocRC, #1111 of 1903 🔗

I wish we knew what those two groups were. Both are labelled as mass testing. Were the LFTs and PCRs carried out on the same people (there are more people in the LFT group), was the PCR testing just random or part of the usual Tier 2, how many had symptoms etc etc. Yet more useless data from the govt.

251805 ▶▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1112 of 1903 🔗

The lateral flow tests are those being administered by the Army to anyone who turns up at their testing centres and in the schools. Most likely this is a random selection of the population (at least a random selection of the worried well!)

251814 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DocRC, #1113 of 1903 🔗

But the argument is, PCR tests more symptomatic people so more likely to be positive. But without knowing how many in each group had symptoms, it’s hard to make any kind of judgement.

251799 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to DocRC, 2, #1114 of 1903 🔗

The PCR positive rate of 2.8% is within the envelope for the known false positive rate. As Mike Yeadon said earlier on Talk Radio, if the lateral flow test is to be believed, the SARS-CoV-2 virus has all but disappeared from Liverpool

251789 Dan Clarke, #1115 of 1903 🔗

Dolores Cahill excellent explanations of this

251803 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 27, #1116 of 1903 🔗

Well, as of this coming Friday, my area has been put into tier 4 by the little dictator that is El Presidente Sturgeon. Supposed to be for only 3 weeks!!! What an arsehole that she is!!
Absolutely no need whatsoever for this, the schools & only essential business can stay open.

I am seriously angry at this, I have just booked a course that was to start on the 3rd of December, it was confirmed about 2 hours ago & then she announced this!!

So, I am now waiting on the phone call to say that it’s not going to go ahead now. The course is to help me get a job, as I passed my HGV category C licence last week, so need to do my CPC initial to enable me to be able to apply for jobs.

This announcement has just fucked that completely & now it will more than likely be rescheduled into January 2021!!!
Thanks a fucking lot you little boot!!!

Scotland, population of almost 7 million people, coronavirus “cases” of 178 odd out of 100,000 people in my area, talk about overkill!!!

When is there going to be an uprising against this shit??

Sorry for my rant, but this has just fucked me totally employment wise.

Happy Xmas!!

251823 ▶▶ kf99, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #1117 of 1903 🔗

IMO anything related to HGV driving should be classed as essential. It won’t be, of course. That would require her understanding how the private sector economy actually works.

251839 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to kf99, 11, #1118 of 1903 🔗

Exactly, she just doesn’t have a fucking clue!! I am just off the phone to the company where I am doing the course, I phoned them to ask if it would still go ahead, I got my answer which I won’t post, but he also said that the people who were booked for next week to do their HGV Driving lessons & test are now not able to do them & are being re-booked for February next year!!
That is not the training companies fault, or a rant against them at all, they are absolutely brand new to deal with, but they went 6 months without any income at the start of the first lockdown, started getting back on their feet & now, el Presidente has basically fucked them again!!!
Unbelievable.

251929 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1119 of 1903 🔗

If it saves just one life …

251829 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1120 of 1903 🔗

I don’t see any signs of a resistance. Scottish people like being slaves to their government. Barring family I would have left a long time ago..

251841 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1121 of 1903 🔗

I know, that’s what I don’t understand either.

251834 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1122 of 1903 🔗

Can you just go on the course anyway and ignore the daft hoor’s wee lockdown tantrum? She had to outdo Boris and that Welsh nobody somehow (speaking of which I better stock up on tampax now before she tries to ban Tesco from selling it!).

I’m pretty sure in the extremely unlikely scenario that plod pulls you over that travelling out of the plague zone for “work reasons” is a legit excuse. My partner will be continuing to drive from our Glasgow city centre flat to his work in Livingston, and the old boot can take a hike up the Erskine Bridge if she doesn’t like it.

251847 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to GorbalsGirl, 4, #1123 of 1903 🔗

I am in the area that your partner drives to for his work. I fully intend to not abide by this. I have my answer about the training course, but that could still be subject to change. It’s everyone else that she has fucked now. If I had been doing my HGV Lessons & test this week, my test on Friday would more than likely not be going ahead now. It’s the people who are booked for next week that I genuinely do feel sorry for, I waited 2 months to do mines because of the backlog created by the first lockdown.

251960 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to GorbalsGirl, 6, #1124 of 1903 🔗

Sturgeon was funny when she used to play Rab Nesbitt’s wife in that sitcom, but she’s just a total pain now.

251963 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1125 of 1903 🔗

I thought that little cap she used to wear really suited her

251806 rose, replying to rose, 6, #1126 of 1903 🔗

Hope that this petition doesn’t get many signatures

251810 ▶▶ calchas, replying to rose, 15, #1127 of 1903 🔗

The ‘vast-anti-vaxxer industry’

Really, can you name one anti-vaxxer company and tell me its current share price

251818 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to rose, 3, #1128 of 1903 🔗

Surely if a 3rd of people won’t have it then there’ a reason for that!

251819 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to rose, 6, #1129 of 1903 🔗

What “vast anti-vaxxer industry”? Is that supposed to be in some way comparable to the pharmaceutical industry?

251822 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to rose, 3, #1130 of 1903 🔗

“Tell the UK government: no more anti-vaccine lies, rein in big tech now” HA HA HA!

I assume that pro-vaccine lies are fine then 🙂

251827 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to rose, 2, #1131 of 1903 🔗

They didn’t honestly do that £1bn for anti vaxxers hahahah

How many billions does big pharma aka pro vaxxers earn???

251868 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to rose, 12, #1132 of 1903 🔗

Ok, this petition is what the reality is out there. I love this site and it is probably one of the reason why I have not topped myself but I admit it is an echo chamber. A good ,positive one, which encourages debate and rational thinking and evidence , but one nonetheless. The world outside is ugly and brainwashed to the max . I travel to work every day and I’m normally the only non masked person on the whole train , tube, bus etc. More and more people are wearing masks outside and compliance will soon be total.I’m the crazy person who will not take the untested , possibly dangerous vaccine and will not wear mask but they are the righteous ,virtues and true believers in the cult of Covid. I’m afraid this will only get uglier and when having a vaccine will be the difference between traveling, going to sports events, gallery’s, theaters, parks , publics transport and then of course jobs or being a Savage , pariah, lapper I will probably clock out. There is not enough of us, we have no organization and even between sceptics there is a massive division and name calling ( David Icke, 5G, NWo and the other ones) By the time the genral public wakes up ( if ever) it will be too late. We will be wearing mask FOR EVER, until we die ( I’m only 40)and our children will grow up with thinking that other people are dangerous ,virus infected meat bags and the Great reset will be complete. Just because we know about it does not mean we can do anything to stop it.Can you stop a tsunami by waving a towel?

The plebs have showed that they love the lies and the shit the government is feeding them and they will do what ever it takes to be good little obedient subjects. Look if they told them tomorrow that they all need to crawl on their knees as Covid only lives under 1,2m , they would all do it, no questions. When a country of 60 millions and a a capital of 9 millions manages 35000 on the Covid demo , that tells me we are fucked as a society.

I will keep fighting but no because I think we can win ( we can’t ) but because it’s better do die on your feet that live on your knees. Rant over!

251916 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1133 of 1903 🔗

I really love these uplifting posts!

252353 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Thomas_E, #1134 of 1903 🔗

It’s not an echo chamber. It’s an encyclopedia, a research digest, a legal primer, a media monitoring body and a centre for free debate – among other things.

252347 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to rose, #1135 of 1903 🔗

If Reform or Reclaim get out of the blocks, they need to go on the offensive. Our free speech rights need to be enshrined in a new Bill of Rights. Anone acting to limit our exercise of those rights should be subject to severe legal penalties including custodial sentences.

251816 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #1136 of 1903 🔗

Dear Lockdoen

Denmark Says NO To Lockdown Law & Government Relent #PeoplePower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zadErfQ2pMY

251817 davews, replying to davews, 4, #1137 of 1903 🔗

I notice that Kew Gardens is open. OK all the glass houses are closed and restaurants are take away only, and you have to pre-book at a reduced price but there is a lot to see outside there anyway. Not taking the car there but easy trip on the train. Has anybody experience of travelling on the train during lockdown and have they been questioned about ‘non essential’ travel? Might be worth a day out.

Another indication on how pointless this ‘lockdown’ is.

251825 ▶▶ Julian, replying to davews, 4, #1138 of 1903 🔗

I know people that have travelled by train and tube with no issues

It’s recreation

251836 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to davews, 1, #1139 of 1903 🔗

Nobody will ask you why you travel..not even trough C London.

251986 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to davews, 2, #1140 of 1903 🔗

In the unlikely event of being asked where you are going by a police constable (anyone else who asks should be told to mind their own) you simply say you are visiting your support bubble/travelling for work/shopping/out for exercise (use as applicable). I regularly travel from East Anglia to London because I am in a ‘support bubble’ with a relative there. There is no need to worry about the ‘essential travel’ nonsense.

251828 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 19, #1141 of 1903 🔗

I am increasingly struggling with even vaguely understanding people who support the government/media. To take just one example – the cost of mass testing has been put at £100 billion . Let’s just say that someone really does think Covid is killing quite a few people, even some young people. And that they also think that a way out of this is mass testing because it allows people to get out and about. But, even then, how can someone possibly think it is an appropriate use of money, and I mean even vaguely appropriate use of money, to spend what amounts to 2/3rds of the NHS annual budget on partially tackling just one medical condition that is killing some people. It’s just insanity. It really is a cult.

251831 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to kenadams, 2, #1142 of 1903 🔗

Where does that money go? That’s 1 thousand MILLION pounds.

251840 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1143 of 1903 🔗

1 thousand million is one billion.. So 100 billion is 100 thousand million..

251844 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to chaos, 1, #1144 of 1903 🔗

Good point, ha, even worse!

251864 ▶▶ steph, replying to kenadams, 4, #1145 of 1903 🔗

At the moment most people who support the cult have seen not one penny taken from them to finance that. People in private enterprise are already losing money so they know. People in the public service who can think critically know it’s madness but they are in a minority. It will all be too late for us when it starts to really hurt the sheltered masses. They have no conception at all of the cost because it doesn’t stare them in the face.
If only it were possible to opt out of the costs of the cult. I’d happily forego the “benefits”.

251886 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to steph, 2, #1146 of 1903 🔗

I agree that’s what’s keeping it going. But surely anyone with half a brain, or even a quarter of a brain, can see how disproportionate it is to spend 2/3rds of the annual NHS budget on just track and trace for Covid.

Surely!!!!!

251896 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to kenadams, 1, #1147 of 1903 🔗

Another contributor a few days back said consider someone with average intelligence, then consider that half the people are of lower intelligence than that.

251940 ▶▶▶▶▶ caravaggio57, replying to steph, 1, #1148 of 1903 🔗

Then consider that the Westminster 650 are likely to be skewed towards the lower end of the normal distribution anyway.

251832 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1149 of 1903 🔗

Commercial pressure on Sweden?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/amazon-sweden-launch?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

…. Amazon, he said, did not so far seem to have succeeded in getting that many Swedish brands or retailers to sign up to use their platform. “It sounds like they’ve been struggling. I don’t know what their ambitions were, but there are rumours in the media about slower-than-anticipated pick-up rates.”

…. Even if Amazon is able to appeal to more Swedish vendors, dominating the market will still be an uphill battle. Amazon is also launching at a time when, thanks in part to coronavirus, Swedish online retailers are enjoying extraordinary growth.

“Amazon is quite well-known for having bad working conditions, as well as, frankly, union-busting, and that’s just not how we do it in Sweden,” asserts John Linde, the political coordinator handling Amazon’s launch. ….
But if it wants to operate its own warehouses, probably essential if it wants to expand, it may have to accept a unionised workforce, something it has so far refused to do in Germany, the UK or the US.

251856 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1150 of 1903 🔗

Ahh Amazon now operating in Sweden, but not as easy as they thought it would be.

Great article

251833 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 1, #1151 of 1903 🔗

I’ve been studying The Great Reset as I think it’s the biggest issue of our times, of which cv is just the tip of the iceberg. But I don’t understand why the only public critics of it come from a right-wing perspective. Below the videos and articles it’s common to find a preponderance of pro Trump comments, so although I really want to spread the word, I end up not sending the links to friends who would find this abhorrent. Let me say this now: I found Trump utterly abhorrent too, though I can see that his anti-global and anti-coronaphobic stance proved a helpful temporary barrier against the Davos agenda.

I voted Remain because my main area of concern is the environment and a lot of EU money went into cleaning up the beaches all around Britain and funding wildlife conservation, especially here in Wales where I live. I didn’t feel I could trust a UK government of any political persuasion to give a flying fig about nature.
Like so many people worldwide, I’m horrified and feel desperate about species extinction throughout the planet, so welcomed Greta Thunberg and XR. I was surprised to find in these pages that Greta is considered a “bad guy” and XR a corrupt organisation. Can someone please explain that to me?

251852 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Melangell, 18, #1152 of 1903 🔗

Greta Thunberg and XR are consider by many – including me – to be globalist stalking horses of an agenda which wishes to use ‘climate change’ and covid in order to establish a centralized system of global control by an unaccountable elite of all resources. Twi things which may give you pause for thought are:

How did Greta get an appointment to speak at Davos and at the UN so easily?

Why are demos by XR treated with kid gloves, and even seemingly participated in by Police, while anti lockdown demos are brutally suppressed.?

I am completely on board btw with the idea that we need to protect the environment and biodiversity.

251869 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to calchas, #1153 of 1903 🔗

Thanks for your reply, Calchas. I can certainly see why the Davos cabal would want to use Greta, but that doesn’t mean she has been corrupted.
I have also been aware that the police turn a blind eye when it comes to XR demos but that doesn’t make them complicit in the evil agenda, does it? I have a lot of sincere friends involved in it.

251882 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Melangell, 4, #1154 of 1903 🔗

As we have seen with how BLM and XR demos are policed compared with anti lockdown ones.
We can see who furthers the government agenda.It seems the government is even more radical than XR whos idealism is being used to usher in a nightmare future.

251902 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #1155 of 1903 🔗

I spend a lot of my time in France and can tell you.. the Gilet Jaune (yellow jacket) movement sussed ER in no time. They were getting beaten to a pulp by the riot police, while XR were given a free ride. Authority is terrified of genuine grass roots movements. Sadly, for the moment at least, the violence against the Gilet Jaune’s has taken its toll, but if pushed too far could well rise again..

251924 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to George L, #1156 of 1903 🔗

What’s the evidence that XR is not a grass-roots movement then? Again, like Greta, they may be being used for the technocrats’ agenda but they seem very sincere to me.

251941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Melangell, 1, #1157 of 1903 🔗

All of us as human beings are negatively impacted, to put it mildly, by the covid measures.

When you try and persuade friends or acquaintances of the importance of that message, then it is important to finf that angle of the impact, which has most resonance for them.

That will be dufferent dir different individuals and different groups,

251953 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to Melangell, 1, #1158 of 1903 🔗

Good articles on this topic can be found on the web site The Wrong Kind Of Green. Cory Morningstar

http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org

Heres one about Manufacturing Greta

http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/02/13/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-new-green-deal-is-the-trojan-horse-for-the-financialization-of-nature/

Winter oak Climate Capitalists

https://winteroak.org.uk/climate-capitalists/

Carbon economy is double resource exploitation. Make money from the resource then double down and make money from its emissions.. simple as that. Always the usual suspects benefit.. not the environment its a scam like covid.

251982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Melangell, 5, #1159 of 1903 🔗

There are always genuine people who join movements with good intentions. I’ve no doubt ER have thousands in that category. Unfortunately those self same people become ‘useful idiots’ when the organisation is infiltrated, steered, in a particular direction.

Have a read of this by one of the founders of ER – Stuart Basden. This guys running another agenda and admits it..

251957 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #1161 of 1903 🔗

I’d suggest everyone reads up on “Wrong Kind of Green” by Cory Morningstar, an independent Canadian journalist who has done a great job dissecting the “Manufacturing of Greta Thunberg”

Link is here: http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/02/24/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-a-decade-of-social-manipulation-for-the-corporate-capture-of-nature-crescendo/

This gives you a glimpse of just how manufactured all of this is. But most people can’t see it..because it would be to painful to face it hence they stay in denial.

We face monumental challenges and for many it feels too big to even begin to fathom the abyss we are facing. But denial won’t help. Calchas nailed it – you don’t go to Davos unless the people want you there for reasons of their own.

And in case you didn’t notice – GT never had a solution for anything. Only anger. That never gets you anywhere, it’s only the first step and keeps you trapped. She was there to whip the younger generation down the rabbit hole of Agenda 2030 where the 1% Overlords get to keep their 99% share of everything.

251980 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Pebbles, #1162 of 1903 🔗

Thanks for the great link. Bookmarked!

251989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Pebbles, 1, #1163 of 1903 🔗

Ha ha.. I was looking for that link in my bookmarks but couldn’t find it. Glad you posted it. Take a look a the link I just posted above re Stuart Basden of ER..

https://medium.com/extinction-rebellion/extinction-rebellion-isnt-about-the-climate-42a0a73d9d49

252320 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1164 of 1903 🔗

Exactly – this a very good marker. BLM, XR and pro Sharia demos are pretty much left to do as the please. Similarly in the USA Antifa are given free rein to intimidate and assault Trump supporters.

251892 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Melangell, 2, #1165 of 1903 🔗

Greta isn’t necessarily corrupted. Perhaps she is merely being used. If I wish to use somebody for my own agenda, then nobody is better than an idealistic young person, who completely believes what she is saying, but doesn’t realize what I want.

In fact I want that person to uncorrupted – it makes the message that they have to deliver more powerful.

251910 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to calchas, -3, #1166 of 1903 🔗

That’s what I sensed, but some people on here really vilify her.

251967 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Melangell, 4, #1167 of 1903 🔗

No not vilifying her. I feel for her actually. Thrown into the spotlight, used and abused by bigger agendas, then removed from the spotlight… anyone heard from her this year? Her parents belong in jail for allowing their child to be paraded around and used like this, especially as someone with Asperger. Highly suspect parenting decision to not enforce stability and times away from the spotlight – though then again her parents were never anywhere to be seen – only her “handler” pops up on many pictures… She has no idea what’s being done through her.

251923 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to calchas, 7, #1168 of 1903 🔗

I agree re Greta, but the parents are another kettle of fish entirely. The whole Greta on school strike thing was a professional set up, with well funded back up team. Enter Mr Soros and his wallet..

251939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to George L, #1169 of 1903 🔗

OK…starting to make sense now…

252330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to George L, #1170 of 1903 🔗

Then totally promoted at our expense by the BBC – non stop positive coverage. The BBC is supposed to be impartial but they back Greta and the death cult XR – a cult which made tge absurd claim humanity woukd be dead in five years (now four I think).

251888 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to calchas, 3, #1171 of 1903 🔗

How did Greta get an appointment to speak at Davos and at the UN so easily?

Because, as you’ve surmised, she’s the product of an elite machine:

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-elite-machine-behind-greta-thunberg/

251937 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to mattghg, #1172 of 1903 🔗

Thanks – an interesting read. Mentioning she is being used as a ‘pawn’ strikes as correct.

252024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to Melangell, 3, #1173 of 1903 🔗

I find it disturbing how an autistic girl has been used to front XR . To criticise her is unavoidable though. Why has she not been more vocal in her criticism of China who are far more culpable where man made global warming is concerned than the West? The problem with Greta and XR is their lack of faith in human ingenuity which will one day find the solution to environmental problems without devastating western economies…. although same economies will first have to recover from Covid collateral damage

252331 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to mattghg, #1174 of 1903 🔗

And to Gove.

252304 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to calchas, #1175 of 1903 🔗

(Meant to reply to Melangell!)

I think this may vindicate a lot of the concerns expressed by the other commenters here:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/28/professor-floats-idea-climate-lockdown-bans-red-me/

251859 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Melangell, 7, #1176 of 1903 🔗

Because she wants radical change, imposed by force. Conservatives inherently resist that. Even if we sympathise with the overall attitude of caring for nature (as many conservatives do) we’d rather proceed more cautiously and by persuasion than by government imposed force. We also tend to be patriotic and/or recognise that bigger governments are inherently more dangerous, and dislike internationalism as a result.

251865 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Melangell, 7, #1177 of 1903 🔗

Perhaps, with regard to the Davos agenda, you might look a little more closely at the technocratic implications of that agenda, which would have the effect of separating us ever more from nature of which we are a part, and to which we belong.

Can there be anything less natural than forcing us to breathe through masks, to stay six feet apart and spend our lives behind screens..

251867 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Melangell, 16, #1178 of 1903 🔗

At the level of their leadership, Extinction Rebellion is a Marxist death cult that is funded and controlled by the same forces that want to impose the Great Reset. At the lower levels its supporters may of course be well-intentioned, but they are being used.

The Green movement as a whole has been co-opted for decades. Genuine, old-school environmentalists like David Bellamy have been gradually replaced by a zealous anti-human message that has little or nothing to do with the welfare of the planet.

A classic example of this is the total silence from the likes of XR/Thunberg about the billions of masks containing toxic microplastics that are now being dumped into the environment every day all over the world. This speaks volumes for where their priorities lie.

251871 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Melangell, 13, #1179 of 1903 🔗

Climate change is the vehicle the elites had chosen to enslave the world until the Covid crisis came along.This is being used to usher in our Zero carbon future despite it being far from proved that the world is heating up or Carbon is even a factor in this.
XR is a controlled opposition group which last year tried to make it seem as though we are in a climate emergency and only radical action can change out fate.
To be worried about despoiling nature or species extinction is a totally different thing than believing in man made climate change and is laudable.

251872 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Melangell, 5, #1180 of 1903 🔗

Globalist climate radicalism is inherently leftist (because it’s radical and it’s internationalist), and most resistance is from the right, as you have discovered, but that was also originally true of coronapanicking. But in the latter case more and more leftwing resistance has emerged over time, here and in other places.

Is there really no mainstream left resistance to the totalitarian nature of eg XR?

251885 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Melangell, 11, #1181 of 1903 🔗

You sound like an ‘old fashioned’ environmentalist. Want to protect nature, wildlife and various species under threat. You probably won’t find many ( any?) disagreeing.
However ‘Greta/XR’ are not interested in these things. They are campaigning to use the terrible threat of a tasteless, odourless, trace gas in the atmosphere , and in particular an invisible ‘variant’ of this gas which is ‘man-made’ which contains magical properties that can burn us all up. Of course we all know this in turn is but a part of the warming ( pun intended) process of the ‘great reset’. As the UN/WEF etc freely admit its nothing to do with climate, its about changing the economic structure of the ‘advanced’ world ( except China of course).
Very similar to how covid is being used in fact.

251903 ▶▶ John P, replying to Melangell, 9, #1182 of 1903 🔗

Well I am in a minority here in not believing that covid was planned to usher in “the great reset” of globalist Klaus Schwab. I do, however think that he is taking advantage of the chaos to promote his agenda.

With regard to Greta Thunberg. She was a sixteen year old child when she came to public attention. I think it is patently clear that she was chosen by the XR movement because it was believed that she would appeal to members of the public and to governments. (They seem to have been right about that.) However, I have always believed that she has been exploited. She is too young to really grasp the full implications of what she is involved with. I do not support her or the movement she is involved with. She is being used.

I am “green” to the extent that I do not support the deforestation of rainforest and species extinction caused by the over-exploitation of natural resources. Nor do I like to see plastic waste in the oceans and I support moves to clean it up.

However, that has nothing to do with the XR agenda which is “man-made” climate change. I have never believed their claims about this and bitterly resent them and their publicity stunts.

251932 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to John P, 5, #1183 of 1903 🔗

Quite agree; for many many years I’ve watched in dismay as species extinction has gathered pace, along with the despoliation of so much of nature and for many years I voted for the Greens.

In the early years much of what they promoted seemed entirely sensible and worthwhile.

However, when the pc nonsense and awokened Greens took over, I abandoned them

ER are a bunch of posturing self righteous nutters and the adulation given to Greta Thunberg is inappropriate

251943 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Melangell, 5, #1184 of 1903 🔗

The EU could care less about the environment. Go to the pan handle of Cyprus. I went there 25 years ago and it was called the last wilderness of the Mediterranean, there are many turtle nesting beaches along the panhandle. Now thanks to the EU they (by which I mean our money) has been used to build roads all over Northern Cyprus and the panhandle is dotted with mariners for Russian oligarchs to moor their super yachts. Now marine biology students have to shine high powered lamps into the sea to encourage turtle hatchlings out to sea, rather than get attracted to the mariners. The EU and the environment, my arse.

251951 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Melangell, 1, #1185 of 1903 🔗

Hello Melangell

Many thanks for the post. It’s just great that lockdown scepticism is such a broad church.

For me, the reason that XR and Greta are big trouble is that they are trying (and succeeding) to bypass the democratic process. Like all revolutionaries throughout history, they have decided that the ends (defined solely by them), justify the means.

There is a clear parallel here in my view with what is being enforced on us to ‘stop the virus’ as the ends of lockdowns etc also don’t justify the measures taken.

I became sceptical of the whole climate change debate a few years. I just got fed up with the BBC and alike telling me that I could only hear/believe one side of the debate. It turns out that the BBC actually made an editorial decision some time ago that they would only present one side of the debate. (They have also made the same editorial decision about vaccines.)

Through some digging, I found lots of super bright and respectable people suggesting that the whole ‘we must reduce CO2 at ANY cost or we’re all going die’ message was not supported by everyone or the facts.

If you’re interested, here are some books/sites that have helped me:

The Real Global Warming Disaster: Is the obsession with ‘climate change’ turning out to be the most costly scientific blunder in history? By Christopher Booker

Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us By Michael Shellenberger (a full on leftie who advised Obama)
Shellenberger has a free article here too https://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/schellenberger-apology.pdf

Green Tyranny: Exposing the Totalitarian Roots of the Climate Industrial Complex By Rupert Darwall

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/10/28/climate-change-the-facts/#comment-147544

2019 Annual GWPF Lecture – Prof Michael Kelly – Energy Utopias and Engineering Reality. A very good lecture showing that even if we buy into the need to change how we produce energy, it simply won’t work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehjysg8WkBQ&t=1830s

252292 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1186 of 1903 🔗

I got sick of my kids primary school teaching it like it was gospel – that was what started me off telling them to question EVERYTHING. They have been hearing me say this since they were 7 years old. Do you think it might have sunk in yet? Poor things having me for a mum.

251954 ▶▶ Michael C, replying to Melangell, #1187 of 1903 🔗

The EU money you refer to is actually ours, being allocated/returned to us by the Commission for environmental spending (amongst other things). At the end of each year EU accounts show that year after year we are a net contributor to the EU’s budget, which means that outside the EU we could actually increase our environmental spending from the surplus which we no longer have to leave with Brussels.

251966 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Melangell, #1188 of 1903 🔗

interesting interview with Sandi Adams on this link – she used to be a member of the green party but switched opinion – i find her a good orator explaining her opinion, worth a listen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0OIYKkZIgc

251985 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Melangell, #1189 of 1903 🔗

Just been browsing this thread.

To be clear – I think that there’s a lot to be debated around various attitudes to climate change and, on the other hand, the WEF/WHO/Big Pharma role in the current scam.

But this thread is truly a gift to 77th Brigade et al. If I was orchestrating a trolling campaign – this is precisely what I’d be encouraging.

Stick to the f.ing knitting!

252280 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Melangell, 2, #1190 of 1903 🔗

Although I’m all up for efficient use of scarce resources, and conserving things rather than killing them off (at home and anywhere else) – I have never been on board with man-made climate change.
I tend never to be on the side of anyone spouting hysteria of any kind, as there is always an agenda to be found – just too cynical to believe anything if someone tells me I must believe it or we’ll all die, I think.
Naomi Siebt seems to have a much more rational head on her shoulders than the Swedish doom goblin (I can’t take credit for that one – it was Rod Liddle I heard it from).
The earth’s climate has ever changed – for all the time before we got here and it will do long after we are gone (pretty soon now!).
Any effect the human race makes is marginal – arrogant to consider otherwise really.
That is my opinion – other opinions can be found – all are fine with me, as long as I can keep mine (until I’m not allowed one any more)

251838 Dave #KBF, 3, #1191 of 1903 🔗

Michael Bernicia has just issued an update on the private prosecution of Hancock:

251842 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 49, #1192 of 1903 🔗

It is now crystal clear that Hancock, Gove, Johnson, Whitty, Vallance and SAGE are not going to change direction, will not listen to alternative views and are impervious to criticism and ridicule. They are too far invested into their version of the Schlieffen Plan and cannot/will not admit they are wrong.

All of us here and sceptical journalists newspapers and scientists are wasting our time trying to convince these people to change course.

The only relevant question now is how can we can get Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance out of office. This is the only way this madness will end.

251845 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to flyingjohn, 16, #1193 of 1903 🔗

It will take private prosecutions and civil disobedience to stop it, nothing else now.

252029 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1194 of 1903 🔗

Indeed, we are at war, and we have almost lost.

251853 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to flyingjohn, 9, #1195 of 1903 🔗

The only route to that in any reasonable time frame is the no confidence letters to the 1922 Committee. The Covid Recovery Group has a more than enough members to trigger a leadership contest. The problem with this route is even if it proved successful and removed Boris Johnson, it is unfortunately likely that he would be replaced by another lockdownista.

251854 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1196 of 1903 🔗

I contacted them all, didn’t get a single reply.

251894 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1197 of 1903 🔗

I wouldn’t read too much into that as Talk Radio were complaining that they couldn’t get any reply from them either, which rather suggests to me they are plotting planning.

251861 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1198 of 1903 🔗

I think a change at the top is necessary. When people have gone too far down the rabbit hole they cant change tack. They need removing.

251996 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #1199 of 1903 🔗

Yes – and society needs motherhood and sliced bread.

Next?

252001 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1200 of 1903 🔗

Sorry – you saw how flaky they were when bought off in the ‘renewal’ debate. We have a parliament of moral midgets.

251858 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #1201 of 1903 🔗

Remove Johnson and there is a chance. Only the 1922 lot can /would do this. That would require polling to show very poor chances of reelection etc. Or a complete shambles at TransEnd with economic problems. Unfortunately CV covers transend and vice-versa; and there are so many idiots out there thinking he is on the right path.

251862 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to peyrole, 2, #1202 of 1903 🔗

I don’t think anything will happen for a while. The figures will come down, lockdown will end and a new tier system enforced – people will wonder what for.

251909 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 3, #1203 of 1903 🔗

If Hancock et al have their way the new Tier system will be just another variation of the lockdown. At yesterday’s press briefing, they made it plain that Tiers 1 & 2 of the present system are not draconian enough, and this morning Jenrick was clear that Tier 3 was just a baseline and had to be supplemented by more measures.

251949 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to flyingjohn, 5, #1204 of 1903 🔗

We need to persuade the public, not the politicians. The politicians are irrelevant if you have the public. Not an easy task with such a huge propaganda machine against us, but we’re slowly chipping away. It often takes just one thing to change the public mood

251952 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #1205 of 1903 🔗

The problem is this is a global situation, not just national. And even if we did get rid of the current Politburo, who would take over? They would either be worse (Starmer etc) or would never be tolerated by the elites (Farage/Fox etc).

252017 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1206 of 1903 🔗

It needs a major power to cease what they are doing and change course. That’s the only way it’s going to change. All western countries are content to take cover in each others shadows.

252076 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to flyingjohn, 5, #1207 of 1903 🔗

The madness ends when the catastrophes have occurred.
The hyperinflation, debt defaults, repossessions, the depression with mass unemployment, the responses to Covid 20/21 which we really can’t afford anymore and/or the vaccine related damages start to occur and become huge.
If the latter happens, the sheep will likely come for their leaders and lynch them- I am not at all in favour of that, but knowing human nature, I would fully expect that then.

251848 NorthumbrianNomad, #1208 of 1903 🔗
251849 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 9, #1209 of 1903 🔗

Thinking about air travel and PCR tests. Is there any logic at all for the following;
1) Need for a negative PCR test taken 72 hrs before flight. So you wait in a lab or test centre with others who presumably think they have symptoms to get a test. You get a negative and fly to your destination. Two days later you feel unwell and are positive because you have caught it from one of the people in the test centre. If you had not been forced to take test, you would have arrived sans disease.
2) Everyone on the flight is ‘negative’ otherwise they wouldn’t be there. The face mask is still required for the flight, because?

251893 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to peyrole, 3, #1210 of 1903 🔗

Very good points and one I keep raising within the industry. Most Fit to Travel tests are private home tests though as you are not meant to use NHS. Nothing to stop picking it up anywhere between the test and travelling either way though.

Very valid point on the masks and furthermore, IATA published figures of 44 known cases from 1.2BILL passengers so chance of 1 in 27,000,000.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/new-research-uncovers-just-44-cases-flight-covid-19-transmission/

Tests on arrival and FP issues big worry as well. Would not be the way you want your holiday to go!

251898 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to peyrole, #1211 of 1903 🔗

But you are allowed to take it off when sneezing or coughing, as long as you cover your face with the inside of your elbow. At least that was what they said on a flight I took back in August.

251933 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jrsm, 1, #1212 of 1903 🔗

This comment has to be satire, surely.

252245 ▶▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1213 of 1903 🔗

Well, they didn’t actually say that you could take it off. They repeated this message over the PA system: “Use of a mask is mandatory throughout the whole flight, except when you are eating or drinking. Please cover your face with the inside of your elbow if you sneeze or cough”.
So I deduced that you were allowed to take it off in that case, unless they wanted you to both keep the mask on and use your elbow to further reduce contamination.

251912 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to peyrole, 1, #1214 of 1903 🔗

Who’d want to book a holiday on the hope you’re negative?

Mind you a friend of mine did, he got his negative result then booked flights and hotel, but most people don’t plan or work that way.

251922 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 3, #1215 of 1903 🔗

No logic to any of it

All theatre

251850 DRW, replying to DRW, 33, #1216 of 1903 🔗

I’ve been doing university work this afternoon, and the whole thing seems pointless. I gradually put something together but really can’t be bothered. Zoom University is a joke and I’ll probably be soon expelled for not having the “vaccine.” And I won’t last in the coming dystopia anyway.

I’m not the only one, a mate of mine is similarly resigned and just sort of bimbles through his work. He’s even more reclusive than I am and lives nearly entirely off greasey takeaways cause according to him, eating what you want is one of the last joys left in life. Maybe I too should induldge in a nice crap diet, it dosen’t matter anymore.

Plus anyone else just feel really tired all the time?

251857 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DRW, 7, #1217 of 1903 🔗

Treating oneself is a good idea.

251860 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to DRW, 22, #1218 of 1903 🔗

Feel exactly the same. Should be in Tenerife today at a villa we’d got with friends. Can’t go for the obvious stupid reasons. Spent the afternoon trying to work but what’s the point? I can’t spend my money on anything other than bills, food and drink. There’s no incentive to improve.

It really has become an empty existence.

251884 ▶▶ John P, replying to DRW, 21, #1219 of 1903 🔗

Tired? Not especially, I go for regular long walks in the countryside and I eat reasonably.

I don’t really see any wisdom in becoming a slob.

I am, however, extremely tired of this ever ongoing and totally pointless covid shitshow.

251901 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to DRW, 9, #1220 of 1903 🔗

Just get out for a long walk, 5 to 10 miles. Preferably out in the woods or parks or countryside. Works wonders.

251917 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 9, #1221 of 1903 🔗

Tired due to not sleeping

But do try to eat well and get fresh air and exercise, and use the studying as a distraction

Don’t let them win

251973 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 5, #1222 of 1903 🔗

Montmorency cherry juice is brilliant for helping you sleep – and no resulting hangover or dopeyness.

NB it’s tart but fruity. A generous tablespoonful diluted and sipped like a big glass of wine and I sleep right through.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Optima-Montmorency-Cherry-Juice-Concentrate/dp/B00G6LSCES/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2HXD14FVZPF6A&dchild=1&keywords=cherry+concentrate&qid=1605631168&quartzVehicle=80-1026&replacementKeywords=concentrate&sprefix=cherry+concentrate%2Caps%2C191&sr=8-5

251925 ▶▶ steph, replying to DRW, 8, #1223 of 1903 🔗

Don’t worry about the vaccine. They won’t get organised enough to give it to your age group for years!
I feel for you in your circumstances. Try and be kind you yourself and not put too much pressure on at the moment. Don’t make any major decisions for now.

251931 ▶▶ Mark, replying to DRW, 3, #1224 of 1903 🔗

Walking in the countryside is a good idea, especially hills if you have any near you.

Alternatively, a religion or philosophy could help to lift your perspective – Christianity or if you are too innoculated against that, stoicism, perhaps.

251956 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 5, #1225 of 1903 🔗

Crap diet will make you feel more tired. As will getting depressed. Despair is what will let them win.

While I accept that the social and political situation is mostly to blame, nutritional deficiency causes depression. So it might be worth checking you’re getting enough magnesium, D3, B12, zinc and the B vitamins. Suggest you eat plenty of eggs and meat and take some magnesium citrate – especially if you drink coffee and alcohol.

It’s been very dark recently. Do try to get outside under the sky for some therapeutic daylight as often as possible.

Try to find something uplifting to focus on. Watch good comedy films and tv series.

Discover Caimh McDonnel’s Bunny McGarry books. I recommend starting with the Dublin Trilogy:
https://www.bookseriesinorder.com/caimh-mcdonnell/

252000 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to DRW, 5, #1226 of 1903 🔗

Don’t let the bastards grind you down as we used to say. This will end one way or another and there will be a future, even if not the one imagined. If you’re a young student the future will be yours to make, and to make sure that this crap never happens to anyone else here every again. If you give up you let them win, and none of us can allow that, so hang on in there!

252037 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, 8, #1227 of 1903 🔗

You’ll get lots of advice.

But there’s no single route out – you have to find what works for you. So look at the suggestions and give what appeals and what is feasible a try.

I think the most deadly aspect of this shit-show is the way it drains motivation and builds depression; I think it’s the psy-ops that has been the most evil aspect of it all, and we should never forgive those who have been complicit in shaping this – the individuals involved are beneath contempt in taking the methods of Goebbels and Mengele as their models. Such spectres should have been banished long ago.

So – try not to succumb to their engineered imposition of learned helplessness. Find your own best diversion and keep kicking, hard tho’ it is.

252038 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to DRW, 3, #1228 of 1903 🔗

I agree with those who recommend walking. I go once a week with an old friend who has been converted into a sceptic over the past couple of months. He is now working on his extended family.

251855 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #1229 of 1903 🔗

Listen to men who know what they are talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kyUJn5FvEo

Ditch the test!

251895 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #1230 of 1903 🔗

Hear hear!

251870 Eddy, 8, #1231 of 1903 🔗

Portugal appeal court deems pcr test unreliable.

251874 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 5, #1232 of 1903 🔗

Michael O’Bernicia
@TheBernician
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27m
Chief Magistrate nominates judge in private prosecution against Matt Hancock

251881 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddy, 2, #1233 of 1903 🔗

A link would be helpful please.

251936 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1234 of 1903 🔗

Probably won’t help, I think their servers are under some heavy attack…

252032 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to captainbeefheart, #1235 of 1903 🔗

Yes looks like a DDoS storm.

251889 Frank Garrett, replying to Frank Garrett, 10, #1237 of 1903 🔗

Piers needs to get a grip. There are much more pressing issues than whether or not a politician was boycotting your show, Jesus.

251911 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Frank Garrett, 16, #1238 of 1903 🔗

More importantly, he has a huge platform and has relentlessly pushed the coronabollocks narrative with not a hint of nuance. He’s close to the top of the list of the guilty among the media

251919 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 5, #1239 of 1903 🔗

Only close? Who’s above him?

251979 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1240 of 1903 🔗

Good point – maybe whoever is pulling the strings at, Sky the BBC and The Guardian? Or those running other newspapers, who run with the hare and the hounds?

251930 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 5, #1241 of 1903 🔗

And his Mrs gets a free pass at The Telegraph – no comments allowed on her anti-vaxx slur on a working class taxi driver for whom she clearly has nothing but contempt as a middle-class metropolitan yummy mummy.

252028 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1242 of 1903 🔗

That was an absolutely vile article. As you say, no comments allowed, of course.

252018 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Frank Garrett, 8, #1243 of 1903 🔗

No, Piers himself doesn’t need to get a grip, but somebody close behind him needs to get a grip – around his throat – a very tight and terminal grip.

251891 NoelGallagherseyebrow, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, #1244 of 1903 🔗

The argument that comes up time after time is the excess deaths argument. I know some of the facts like the 25000 that occurred at home from something else but does anyone have a clear, cogent argument I could use to counter this opinion as it seems to be the go to for lockdown zealots?

251905 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 3, #1245 of 1903 🔗

Excess deaths are what you should expect when you push tens of thousands of people out of hospital before time:

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251913 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 1, #1246 of 1903 🔗

You do know that reason and evidence does not work on zealots?

251926 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1247 of 1903 🔗

cos science
no – cos THE science

251962 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CGL, 5, #1248 of 1903 🔗

I must admit to finding it mildly amusing when they assert the science says stuff, apparently blissfully unaware of the irony of using the logical fallacy of argument from authority, whilst considering themselves to be scientific.

251915 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 1, #1249 of 1903 🔗

The following graph (at twitter link) shows Germany daily all-cause deaths from 2018 in red and for 2020 in blue. A the bottom the dark line shows the official number of covid deaths.

The red line shows the flu wave at the beginning of 2018.

Deaths from heat waves in summer are visible on both lines.

What is not visible is the impact of covid in 2020, although there have officially been more than 12000 deaths attributed to it.

https://twitter.com/SHomburg/status/1327883042342506498

In summary, Germany has now had officially more than 800 000 cases of infection with SarsCov2, but this has had no discernible effect on total mortality.

251918 ▶▶ Mark, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 1, #1250 of 1903 🔗

Which excess deaths argument do you mean?

I usually point out that deaths are not that high, but then you have to go into the whole “is it because of lockdowns” debate as well.

251928 ▶▶▶ NoelGallagherseyebrow, replying to Mark, #1251 of 1903 🔗

It’s a rabbit hole and they generally just don’t want to believe they’ve been had.

251935 ▶▶ adele, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 1, #1252 of 1903 🔗

Great name! 🤣 🤣

251946 ▶▶▶ NoelGallagherseyebrow, replying to adele, 1, #1253 of 1903 🔗

Thanks! I just love his songs!

252246 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, #1254 of 1903 🔗

and his eyebrow?

251984 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, #1255 of 1903 🔗

Loads of stuff in the Amnesty International report:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/EUR45/3152/2020/en/

251904 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #1256 of 1903 🔗

We need the new parties to start turning the screws, the only way to get rid of the leaders of this ‘show’

252003 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1257 of 1903 🔗

I’m not sure how they can tackle the international banking cartel and not wind up dead tbh.

251921 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to p02099003, 6, #1259 of 1903 🔗

This very thing is an admission that testing is utter bullshit! Anyone that has had a positive test but no symptoms surely must now question that “diagnosis”?

251961 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to p02099003, 1, #1260 of 1903 🔗

Mixed feelings. If genuinely positive this would be a disaster but if a false positive then a victory.

251978 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to p02099003, 4, #1261 of 1903 🔗

I’m relieved. I was concerned that he would return a false positive if the over sensitive PCR test detected old virus particles after he had it months ago. If he had tested positive it would have caused another rumpus over how long immunity lasts and we’d have been locked up forever.

252005 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to p02099003, 12, #1262 of 1903 🔗

Mixed blessings for old Boris then. On the one hand, his test came back negative, but on the other he’s still a monumental twat.

251908 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 23, #1263 of 1903 🔗

Small businesses here, not only face yet another 3 week hiatus, thanks to the Dear Leader, but now have the added headache of making endless phone calls to cancel booked appointments and offer alternatives.

So, once again, loss of income compounded by rearrangement of business diaries for the next 3 weeks.

This is criminally insane; there’s no other way to describe it.

Even our excellent library will now have to close again, just when services were gradually returning to normal.

We’re being turned into troglodytes.

251970 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to wendyk, 10, #1264 of 1903 🔗

Total nonsense. I did the maths and the fatality rate from the virus in Scotland is 0.09%. Most of them will have had underlying health conditions and / or very elderly too and many will have fallen foul of the SNP’s mishandling of care homes at the outset. Yes, every one was dear to their families but it makes absolutely no sense to destroy the livelihoods and education of the entire country to “save” such a small number.

251920 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #1265 of 1903 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54974373 21 million for acting as a go between to procure PPE for NHS staff, words fail me

251934 ▶▶ Ndovu, replying to p02099003, 10, #1266 of 1903 🔗

Nothing surprises me any more from this useless shower of liars, cheats and charlatans masquerading as a government.

252068 ▶▶ stevie, replying to p02099003, 2, #1267 of 1903 🔗

Some people are making a lot of money out of this.

251944 nickbowes, 8, #1268 of 1903 🔗

6uild 6ack 6etter.

let`s not take their number.

251947 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #1269 of 1903 🔗

Sturgeon states she command 11 areas to go into what she calls tier 4. The press report accordingly.

What she actually means is every measure she has commanded to date has failed on her own terms.

Regardless of the measures being unworkable, unneeded and unproven she employed them. They have failed. She has failed.

Press might like to report the failure of Sturgeon.

251950 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Basics, 13, #1270 of 1903 🔗

We are told that the WHO guidance up to the end of last year and for decades before that, once a disease is in a population lockdowns don’t work. So why are they persisting with this failed policy?

251955 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bill Hickling, #1271 of 1903 🔗

Because they haven’t got any better ideas.

251981 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1272 of 1903 🔗

Exactly. They have shot their one and only bolt. Weakness, stubborn stupidity, and cowardice. Plus the need to be seen to ‘do something’.

251974 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Bill Hickling, 9, #1273 of 1903 🔗

Albert Einstein’s famous line: “ Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”.

In today’s climate Einstein would be disregarded as fake news.

252249 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1274 of 1903 🔗

He’d be considered a “fringe” scientist like the signatories of The Great Barrington Declaration.

252002 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #1275 of 1903 🔗

If our Government gave a flying fuck about the WHO they would have read John Ioannidis peer reviewed paper from last month and stopped what they are doing. Criminal.

251958 Basics, 3, #1276 of 1903 🔗

Update on the arrest of Hancock. 17 Nov

“Private Criminal Prosecution Moves To Final Pre-Court Stage”

http://philosophers-stone.info/2020/11/17/private-criminal-prosecution-moves-to-final-pre-court-stage/

“After being bludgeoned with George Foreman’s sledgehammer fists for seven rounds, Ali knocked him out in the eighth round, when Foreman had exhausted himself and could hardly lift his arms, let alone defend himself.

“So following my seven rounds of absorbing all the punches and low blows from numerous opponents, here lies a redacted copy of the email we received last Friday, confirming that I wasn’t talking “nonsense”, “coo-coo” or “fantasy” and that the warrant application was due to be processed yesterday.

“Private Criminal Prosecution Moves To Final Pre-Court Stage

“COVID-1984 NEWSFLASH
Since beginning to write this post, we have received the following email from the Chief Magistrates office, regarding the private prosecution:”

….. Read on via link above.

251959 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1277 of 1903 🔗

Poor Dab, handy cock is the only one out their still talking bollocks

The pig dictator and Princess nut nuts are still allowing him to stomp about doing his village idiot impressions

Come on you two, it’s cruel, stop it

Enough is enough, can’t you make him Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset or something?

251969 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1278 of 1903 🔗

can’t you make him Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset or something?

Thanks, that made me chuckle out loud!

252415 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Cecil B, #1279 of 1903 🔗

NO!!!! I live there!!!!!

251965 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 10, #1280 of 1903 🔗

These two updates have cheered me up today. A really positive and optimistic warrior saying that we will win this war. Recommended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sVeGcaw36Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG3_cRd1znY

251997 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1281 of 1903 🔗

Juts watched the first one. Fantastic!! Don’t miss it.
“The cracks are appearing”
On to the second one now ….

252021 ▶▶ watashi, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1282 of 1903 🔗

Very well worth watching, thank you!

252057 ▶▶ DRW, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1283 of 1903 🔗

Great watch but it’s very hard to share the optimism.

252074 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 3, #1284 of 1903 🔗

That’s because you’re feeling down and I sympathise.

However, ultimately it’s a choice.
You can join him in seeing the cracks appearing and the truth coming out and be excited – misguidedly or otherwise.
Or you can mope around full of doom and gloom – which is guaranteed to just suck you further and further down.

252088 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1285 of 1903 🔗

I take more of a middle way. I got very depressed when it became clear back in September that the government was determined to keep this going, which meant there were ulterior motives at work. I now see it more as living under a hostile enemy power. I’m working quietly as best as I can to end the occupation, but for the present I dont’ hold out much hope because the mass of people are collaborators, and I’m not getting too excited about any developments. But I’m not losing hope.

252094 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 5, #1286 of 1903 🔗

Me and Mrs 2-6 just went out for a cycle. Even although it was fairly grey and dingy, it was nice to cycle through dank rotten mouldy smelling woodland, mud and puddles. It was also nice to interact with a few passer’s by and their dogs and we bumped into a couple of people we know. They were fairly brianwashed but still, perhaps less so now.
A couple of beers and some crisps were a bonus!

It’s not all bad.
Well it is really bad but y’know. It’s is possible to escape the lunacy. I feel better for getting out anyway.

252224 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1287 of 1903 🔗

Wish I could have come – glad you enjoyed it

252244 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1288 of 1903 🔗

It’s all we can do — make the best of a horrid situation and keep things as normal as possible. Get outside for fresh air and exercise and take control of our own health — they can’t take that away from us.

251968 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 21, #1289 of 1903 🔗

In the Piers Morgan interview, Hancock didn’t explain why the government kept the borders open during the “first wave”. I believe the answer to the question is quite simple: a substantial number of British passport holders who were abroad at that time wanted to be repatriated. Refusing these people re-entry would have upset the woke crowd – ironically the very same people who were demanding lockdown. Elsewhere, Hancock now plays up the danger of ‘long covid’ but doesn’t offer any substantive data to justify his concern. The switch of emphasis to ‘long covid’ might have something to do with the fact that fatalities appear to have levelled off (as shown by the government’s own dashboard) – something that was effectively achieved before the implementation of the second lockdown. The man is doing his best to ensure people remain fearful ahead of a vaccine rollout. As much as anything else, l suspect Hancock is now engaged in a face-saving exercise. The fact that this exercise is destroying millions of jobs and generally diminishing the quality of life appears to be of no concern to him or his cronies on SAGE.

252089 ▶▶ stewart, replying to James Marker, 5, #1290 of 1903 🔗

If the deaths don’t materialise, they need something else to keep the panic going. Cases worked for a while but it’s lost its power to terrify as too many people are realising most of the cases aren’t actually ill people. So now it’s long covid.

252205 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to stewart, 1, #1291 of 1903 🔗

They’re now reporting weekly death numbers, as it sounds scarier than daily totals.

252251 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to stewart, 1, #1292 of 1903 🔗

Do you remember earlier in the year there was a brief crisis with young children being admitted to hospital with a new disorder linked to C-19? Can’t remember it’s name, but that seems to have died, but could be resurrected if needed to spread fear.

252254 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Marialta, 1, #1293 of 1903 🔗

was it kawasaki disease?

252261 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to watashi, 1, #1294 of 1903 🔗

Yes that’s right

252484 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to stewart, #1295 of 1903 🔗

That long covid is a bugger. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 2 goals not long after missing playing time because of a +ve test… similarly only a few weeks ago Dustin Johnson had a +ve test, he’s just gone and won the US Masters.

251971 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 41, #1296 of 1903 🔗

This really does sum this shit up and I’m not going to dwell on it but it sums up the mentality of people. I don’t give a fuck what wee Jimmie Mugabe decrees however.

Group chat about golf. I assume my usual 2 golf partners live in tier 4, golf course is in tier 3.. whatever I don’t care.

Message

P1 – W Lothian in tier 4 so can’t play at usual course.

Me – who sais

P1 – new rules from 6pm Friday

Me – ignore!

P1 – Nope. That’s why it’s getting worse. People ignoring.

P2 – that’s ok we are still allowed informal exercise.

To recap they are happy to play together in tier 4 but not mix with me in tier 3 even though we have been playing together near enough every week for the past 6 months.

Fucking cowardly cretins.

Then again maybe they just don’t like me 😁

252019 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to stefarm, 8, #1297 of 1903 🔗

that’s ok we are still allowed informal exercise.” – how fucking generous of them. player 2 has been thrown a right bone there. Stockholm syndrome.

252220 ▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, #1298 of 1903 🔗

You should record them and play it back so you can point out how fucking stupid they sound!

251976 Gtec, replying to Gtec, 8, #1299 of 1903 🔗

Has anyone seen a masked-up Nativity scene yet?

I’m sure it’s only a matter of time, but that really would be the end of anything approaching a remotely ‘normal’ about this coming Christmas.

251987 ▶▶ Evelyn, replying to Gtec, 12, #1300 of 1903 🔗

On our village Facebook page a woman is selling homemade ceramic angels…masked or unmasked. The depressing thing is that some people seemed delighted by the masked angels…very sad.

251988 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Evelyn, 12, #1301 of 1903 🔗

jeez! that is sick

251990 ▶▶▶▶ Evelyn, replying to watashi, 5, #1302 of 1903 🔗

I agree totally.

252041 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Evelyn, 8, #1303 of 1903 🔗

I’d buy one with a mask, then smash it in front of her

252053 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Evelyn, 2, #1304 of 1903 🔗

they’ll be collectors items one day!

252159 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Iansn, 3, #1305 of 1903 🔗

In lunatic asylums, maybe.

252123 ▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to Evelyn, 1, #1306 of 1903 🔗

Thanks everyone, so it seems we’re still awaiting our first masked Nativity, then we’ll really know it’s Christmas – not.

What with masked pumpkins and ceramic angels, the omens are not looking good for avoiding the obvious.

But woe betide anyone who buys me anything mask-like, with a mask on it, or even a novelty mask, as it will end as an Andrex product in no short order!

251991 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Gtec, 20, #1307 of 1903 🔗

I’m fully expecting novelty Xmas masks, and masks on snowmen, reindeers etc. The Chinese factory owners who make this tat must be on their knees thanking Confucious for their good fortune.

252014 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1308 of 1903 🔗

I wear a mask on Zoom now. Better than turning the video off.

252011 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Gtec, 2, #1309 of 1903 🔗

Someone sent me a short clip of a masked Father Christmas fist-bumping kids behind a plexiglass screen yesterday if that counts.

252030 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Gtec, 1, #1310 of 1903 🔗

I saw a masked pumpkin at Halloween.

252211 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Gtec, #1311 of 1903 🔗

Given that the western world has become convinced that Jesus was Caucasian, based on the standard representation of him, give it enough time and Mary and Joseph wore masks in the stable, as did the three wise men.

251992 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 13, #1313 of 1903 🔗

Earlier today a fellow poster recommended the Trigonometry Podcast interview with Professor Bhakdi. Worth an hour of anyone’s time. Really compelling and disturbing.

252125 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1314 of 1903 🔗

I didn’t find anything too surprising. But he articulates it very well and his manner is a joy to listen to.

The lawyer Reimer Fullich or whatever his name is that Rosie has been positing us the best interview I’ve heard recently. His hunch that the whole thing is an intentional fraud with at least three players out in the open is fantastic to listen to.

Interesting times ahead with his case I feel.

251993 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 17, #1315 of 1903 🔗

Unfortunately for Johnson, Hancock and the two stooges the “Covid-19” deaths are not very obliging and not heading for 1.000 or 4,000 a day. In fact they now appear to have peaked and are heading downwards.

252010 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DocRC, 9, #1316 of 1903 🔗

They’ll claim it was because of the lockdown…

252020 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, 9, #1317 of 1903 🔗

Of course. It shows lockdowns work, and so need to be kept in place indefinitely, or the Covids will come back. Lockdown then becomes like some sort of Old Testament blood sacrifice.

252026 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Anothersceptic2, 9, #1318 of 1903 🔗

I’m sure they will but looks like the deaths peaked on 8th November so lockdown must be powerful medicine to work in 3 days!!

252031 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Charlie Blue, 15, #1320 of 1903 🔗

DM are the worst though, they sometimes literally have 2 stories next to each other that contradict the other one

252027 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DocRC, 5, #1321 of 1903 🔗

Presumably some model can be trotted out to tell us that in fact deaths have now reached the requisite 4,000, they’re just not all being recorded.

252071 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to DocRC, 1, #1322 of 1903 🔗

If you look at the 7 day average of English hospital deaths and build in an allowance for deaths that have occurred but not been reported based on previous days and the current growth rate, you get this interesting graph which makes the trend even clearer.

It looks like it is going to flatten off in the next 2 weeks, which would be consistent with data coming out of Zoe, ONS Infection Survey and React, taking into account the lag between being covid+ and death of 23 days ish.

Never fails to impress me how smooth the curve is for the April wave and the current seasonal uptick, seems to be unaffected by all the changes in restrictions.

252080 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1323 of 1903 🔗

See above : the autumn deaths are largely from other causes with coincidental PCR SARS presence.

252122 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #1324 of 1903 🔗

I’ve noticed in the Northern Ireland numbers that the recent uptick in Autumn covid deaths is almost mirrored exactly by other deaths listed as ‘respiratory’. No indication of double counting I think so I wonder if its just respiratory PCR + for the most rather than dying due to Covid?

252075 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DocRC, 3, #1325 of 1903 🔗

Again, tho’ we have the question of the validity of ‘Covid-19’ deaths. That hump is largely caused by PCR ‘cases’, I would guess – and actually represents deaths by a variety of other causes.

252079 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #1326 of 1903 🔗

Yes indeed – haven’t flu deaths magically disappeared?

Need to check deaths for this time of year, adjusted for population, and compare to some reasonable baselines (average for last 5 years, peaks in the last few decades) to give a truer picture of the actual impact, if any, of covid on mortality

252218 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Julian, 1, #1327 of 1903 🔗

Agreed. All-cause mortality will kind of tell the tale, except that now younger people are dying at home and from lack of care due to Covid measures so even all-cause mortality may give us the entire picture. Today in one of our national rags there was a story about how flu has disappeared, to which all the commenters responded that it’s clearly because of all the mask wearing, hand sanitizing and distancing which we should keep up forever. Of course they’re too stupid to realize that these same measures *should* result in no Covid as well if they actually work. Never occurred to them that anything like the flu or a respiratory illness is now being labelled Covid.

252086 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, 1, #1328 of 1903 🔗

True, but the point is that even if you play the game by their rules and look at deaths labelled as covid (rather than being deaths FROM covid), those labelled deaths still appear to be levelling off, negating all their predictions.

252133 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1329 of 1903 🔗

That’s good to know – although my guess is they will try every trick in the book to keep the fear going, including some sort of reclassification of deaths from Covid to ‘Covid*’ or something, where the * refers to ‘deaths from Covid 19 or any other respiratory disease’, or some such. If they can pull this off, then they can justify masks, lockdowns etc forever.

252146 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to DocRC, 2, #1330 of 1903 🔗

That is what Ivor Cummins was saying, this is the expected seasonal trajectory for corona viruses in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Z2rfsUbBs

251999 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 19, #1331 of 1903 🔗

COVID-19: Police to stop issuing £10,000 ‘super fines’ over concerns they can be challenged in court

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-police-to-stop-issuing-10-000-super-fines-over-concerns-they-can-be-challenged-in-court-12134839

252015 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Eddy, 11, #1332 of 1903 🔗

There have been lawyers recommending ignoring a FPN and asking to be taken to court instead.

252067 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1333 of 1903 🔗

Yes – I reckon it makes good sense. Ideally, there needs to be a concerted legal campaign backed by those knowledgeable in the field who can help to create a template for challenge.

252025 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Eddy, 17, #1334 of 1903 🔗

Was discussing this with someone yesterday, how a traffic fine for speeding, for example, is far, far less than this, yet your actions are probably far more likely to kill someone. How anyone can possibly think 10k is proportionate for not wearing a mask or visiting a friend is beyond me.

252035 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to A. Contrarian, #1335 of 1903 🔗

I thought the 10K was just for event organisers. I was of the view it was like £200 for not wearing a mask?

252063 ▶▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1336 of 1903 🔗

Repeat offenders

252091 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1337 of 1903 🔗

Not sure, but I thought not wearing masks went up in steps from £1000 onwards?

252136 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1338 of 1903 🔗

maybe your right it’s all smoke and mirrors. Who actually knows these days.

252186 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1339 of 1903 🔗

Like an accumulator – then 5 years imprisonment, then life imprisonment, then life imprisonment with whole life tariff, then the death penalty

252048 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Eddy, 2, #1340 of 1903 🔗

That not what the regulalions says they can do. Chip shop with a dead mouse on the floor- straight to summons???? So regs, the regs state the phases and proportionality. This does not align with that at all.

252137 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Iansn, 2, #1341 of 1903 🔗

I just searched the regulations for the word summon and guess what, its not there, its in the general health regulations but only as the final course of action if fines are not paid. Ditto the word arrest it doesnt appear either. Makes no difference to Plod, they just make it up as they go a long and with this government, there is zero scrutiny

252214 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Iansn, 1, #1342 of 1903 🔗

Which is why we need to know our rights and the law better than they do – some people are really showing them up for what they are.

252062 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Eddy, 3, #1343 of 1903 🔗

The concern is over the fact a fine will be means tested in Court, so will often be lower. (And therefore “unfair”). Rather than any dispute over the fact there shouldn’t be fines in the first place.

252009 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 11, #1344 of 1903 🔗

Today’s suggested stocking filler…

“Where’s Wally – 2020 Edition”

(AMERICANS: You may know this as “Where’s Waldo” because someone decided “Wally” is an offensive word in your lands. A bit like “crap”)

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252034 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1345 of 1903 🔗

Found him!

252036 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to captainbeefheart, 11, #1346 of 1903 🔗

15 seconds after this image was captured the pigs showed up and kicked the shit out of him for not wearing a mask.

252059 ▶▶ RickH, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1347 of 1903 🔗

I’ve been thinking that the famous photograph of August Landmesser standing out against the Hitler-saluting crowd might make a good card, entitled :

“Where’s not Wally?”

252012 IanE, replying to IanE, 13, #1348 of 1903 🔗

Hmm, time to reconsider the US election one feels (sorry Beeb!).

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-vote-switching-ghost-in-the-machine/

252110 ▶▶ guy153, replying to IanE, 1, #1349 of 1903 🔗

But if the other guy’s so much better at rigging elections doesn’t he deserve to win? All this reminds me of people who whinge when Lance Armstrong beats them in a bike race.

252126 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to guy153, 1, #1350 of 1903 🔗

Like Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela? Because they cheated using the same corrupt voting software they deserved to win??

252147 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to guy153, 3, #1351 of 1903 🔗

You think Biden even knows anything about this (even if he did a couple of days ago)!?

252013 JHuntz, 18, #1352 of 1903 🔗

If their is a great cabal pulling the strings they must be be having a right laugh at all us obedient puppets.

252033 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 61, #1353 of 1903 🔗

Had a chat with a near neighbour this afternoon whilst she was out doing some gardening. ‘Been out on your bike recently?’ I said, knowing she was keeping herself fit during these weird times. ‘I’m usually out most days but today I went for a walk with my friend who, after seven months virtual isolation, summoned up the courage for a walk.’ ‘How did that go?’ I replied. ‘Not too good, she could hardly put one foot in front of the other and was exhausted after just a few yards.’

So there you go…. yet another downside to lock downs and being scared stiff of catching a bad cold or flu, is the loss of your limbs and probably a degeneration of your heart muscles. But still, if it saves me from ‘the virus’ that’s all that counts…isn’t it?

252044 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Harry hopkins, 12, #1354 of 1903 🔗

Good point, Harry. Another example of the (less obvious) health harms of the San Quentin regime. I am aware of the erosion of my fitness in all this.

252117 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 4, #1355 of 1903 🔗

I’ve never been fitter. The only break I find from all of this is a nightly run. To be fair though, even during that I listen to the Richie Allen Show.

252047 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, 20, #1356 of 1903 🔗

I know somebody who’s mum is like that, terrified to go out since March, then in September went for a short walk and literally couldn’t manage more than a few hundred yards before she was exhausted.
Yer stay in, stay safe, save the NHS
Bastards

252112 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Two-Six, 14, #1357 of 1903 🔗

Only themselves to blame I’m afraid. One is responsible for one’s own health. Nobody else is.

252163 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 14, #1358 of 1903 🔗

She brought it on herself.
Sorry, but she did.

252313 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 2, #1359 of 1903 🔗

She was pretty active until she was scared stupid into staying all the time. Sadly.

252262 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #1360 of 1903 🔗

‘She could hardly put one foot in front of the other and was exhausted after just a few yards.’

Funnily enough this is exactly how some people are describing Long Covid. I think it’s actually Long Lockdown.

252266 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1361 of 1903 🔗

And the govt actually advised vulnerable people to do this to themselves. They weren’t even supposed to have their windows open during the first lockdown.

252039 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 24, #1362 of 1903 🔗

Denmark for the win!!!
I can only hope that enough of my fellow Canadians would do the same and protest for consecutive days if our scummy politicians hatch a mandatory vaccine law.
I’m certain you all in the UK would do the same as well.
To put it bluntly…F this s**t!!

252050 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Eddie, 8, #1363 of 1903 🔗

Woooo! Go on Denmark! It’s time to get revolting!

252073 ▶▶ Doodle, replying to Eddie, 14, #1364 of 1903 🔗

‘I’m certain you all in the UK would do the same as well.’

Then you’d be dead wrong, that ship has sailed.

The masked, lockdown zealots will welcome their new vaccine overlords and burn the unbelievers.

252208 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Eddie, 5, #1365 of 1903 🔗

Eddie, we actually have pretty strict laws protecting us from mandatory vaccination in Canada. Must have informed consent. Having said that, most of us here know it’s not likely Western governments will literally hold us down and vaccinate us, but they will make life difficult for those who don’t comply. I know that form of coercion will be challenged, but I can’t say whether or not our courts are corrupt or captured by the government narrative. In Ontario we have very solid precedent which is interesting from the standpoint of both mandatory vaccination and masking. The nurses association fought the hospitals when they tried to mandate flu vaccines, which of course could not be forced. However, the hospitals then tried to mandate mandatory masking of all nurses who refused the flu vaccine. It went to the Ontario Supreme Court and was shot down. The plethora of evidence against masks preventing virus transmission was critical to the case. If Rocco Galati’s Statement of Claim ever gets heard this case will come up for sure. Rocco is the constitutional lawyer who is suing all levels of government over the emergency measures, including masking.

252276 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1366 of 1903 🔗

Hi Lisa! I love Rocco and donated to the cause a couple months ago. I have zero trust for the Feds in Ottawa of course, so I suspect they’ll hatch some sort of “no vaccine, no more freedom” kind of thing. Bring it on Justin, you twerp!!
Lunch break now, c’ya Lisa 🙂

252051 Guirme, replying to Guirme, 34, #1367 of 1903 🔗

I am so angry at Sturgeon; we knew it was inevitable that she would go for a me too lockdown but it does not make the anger any less. Further damage to people’s mental health, to their physical health, destruction of livelihoods, taking away all hope for the future and in particular destroying the prospects of our younger people. She is an evil, callous witch devoid of all human emotion.

252066 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Guirme, 22, #1368 of 1903 🔗

Yip. All for a fatality rate of 0.09%. Utter shite.

252101 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #1369 of 1903 🔗

Looking to the bigger picture, the hardly tested highly experimental and liability free vaccines are almost here, so things can only get worse.

252072 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Guirme, 13, #1370 of 1903 🔗

She literally is evil, I’m surprised she gets away with it.

252087 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Guirme, 14, #1371 of 1903 🔗

This was inevitable from the moment that Boris announced that Westminster would pick up the tab for future ‘lockdowns’. Kim-Jong Nik was never going to pass up the opportunity to grandstand at someone else’s expense. Thanks for nothing, Bojo.

252121 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Guirme, 3, #1372 of 1903 🔗

All the politicians seem keen to jump on the CV19 lockdown bandwagon.
After all, Biden and his sidekicks are talking about a nationwide lockdown until third quarter 2021…Fauci wants masks worn permanently.

252167 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Lms23, 3, #1373 of 1903 🔗

Sadly, something tells me Scott Atlas won’t figure on the Biden Covid task force…

252129 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Guirme, 3, #1374 of 1903 🔗

Possibly radicalised, easy to do apparently, and she does look crazy in the DM photo, mad eyes

252052 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1375 of 1903 🔗

thoroughly depressing 10 minutes listening to an interview with Neil Ferguson on R4 PM contributing to the mood music surrounding keeping lockdown in place for Christmas.

252069 ▶▶ DRW, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #1376 of 1903 🔗

Sounds like classic expectation management so they get all the more adulation from “Saving Christmas”. Or so they think.

252111 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DRW, 1, #1377 of 1903 🔗

yep, we will have another couple of weeks of will they/won’t they open the hospitality sector for Christmas.
On a brighter note went to Tescos. Plenty of toilet rolls but no Vitamin D and associated stuff like omega 3.

252182 ▶▶▶▶ John K, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1378 of 1903 🔗

Order vit d3 and k2 off eBay. Better value and higher doses compared to high street stores, and also supports independent UK business.

252099 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to crimsonpirate, 15, #1379 of 1903 🔗

It’s your own fault. Wasting time listening to the Beeb when we already know that Ferguson’s Imperial College was bought out by Bill Gates years ago. Only the other corrupt Gates assets, like the UK government and BBC, could even pretend to take wanker Ferguson seriously.

252104 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Rowan, 4, #1380 of 1903 🔗

you’re right. It got worse. They have a feature called Covid Chronicles where people describe their experiences during lockdown. They are very wistful and sentimental and totally devoid of any criticism of the lockdown. Tonight’s episode featured the improbable story of an unemployed woman buying a houseboat on the Thames. What sticks in the throat is these episodes are going to be given to the British Museum as some of social record.

252115 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1381 of 1903 🔗

The emotional black mail is off the scale. There is a TV add doing the rounds here in Northern Ireland with a crying daughter who lost her mum to Covid. She’s in her 30s perhaps. Full on, please wear a mask, and so forth.

252157 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1382 of 1903 🔗

MSM is basically a new Germany Calling, with Piss Morgan as Lord Haw-Haw.

252181 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1383 of 1903 🔗

When people present these stories ask them about the missed cancers, heart attacks, suicides and mental anguish occurring to save a tiny proportion of people that get Covid badly. It’s like a car crash victim exhorting people not to drive.

252207 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1384 of 1903 🔗

You and I can spot propaganda from 5 miles away – do people actually not see it for what it is? Or are they just not taking any notice?

252544 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, #1385 of 1903 🔗

They love a good sob story.
Isn’t it dreadful??!!

252185 ▶▶▶▶ John K, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1386 of 1903 🔗

Jesus wept. Just wait for the vaccine death toll yarns waiting to be told in years to come…

252542 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #1387 of 1903 🔗

You actually listen to this stuff?!

252105 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Rowan, 1, #1388 of 1903 🔗

Hence why he keeps getting free mics.

252120 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Rowan, 1, #1389 of 1903 🔗

It’s always wise to keep an eye and ear open to what your enemy is up to.

252119 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1390 of 1903 🔗

Of course. The BBC keep trotting out that charlatan to push the same destructive narrative, when he should have been arrested and jailed for destroying the country using fake data.

252165 ▶▶ annie, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1391 of 1903 🔗

Why listen to that poisonous little worm?
If somebody put Pantsdown into permanent hibernation it would be a giant leap towards freedom for Britkind.

252293 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to annie, 1, #1392 of 1903 🔗

if you want to raise your blood pressure he had a few things to say about Sweden. You can guess what

252176 ▶▶ John K, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1393 of 1903 🔗

How is Turduson still advising? He ignored his own advice in Incarceration 1.0 and was caught shagging a married woman (who must have shit in her eyes) and ‘resigned’ his position. Why is he still bleating on? Fucking oxygen thief.

252226 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #1394 of 1903 🔗

So Prof. Doom is all over the media, despite lying with his models, breaking lockdown twice & sleeping with another man’s wife. Telling non sick people they must behave, even though he is a mathematical modeller and not a doctor.

And he’s got a platform how ? How has no one called him out ? How are the BBC allowed to allow him airtime.

252298 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1395 of 1903 🔗

he wasn’t challenged about his vague assertions about extending the lockdown and he had enough time to make a few remarks about Sweden.
It’s funny he never turns up on LBC

252060 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 15, #1396 of 1903 🔗

Does anyone else think that given the current state of policing, that someone like Mike Yeadon might be picked up soon, for a good grilling after perhaps a tweet. I can see this coming when we look at that young girl arrested and being charged with what seems like terror offences in Devon, that was unbelievable, the police were crazed brainwashed idiots.

252065 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Iansn, 1, #1397 of 1903 🔗

He’s in France

252096 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1398 of 1903 🔗

And the French police are better? Although I don’t know if he has the same public profile in France

252200 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1399 of 1903 🔗

Do they still have a Resistance?

252143 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Iansn, 1, #1400 of 1903 🔗

He was on TalkRADIO today, but the afternoon rather than the Breakfast show, Ian Collins is less sceptical than JHB.

I would not put anything past the Police, Government or MSM.

252178 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Dave #KBF, #1401 of 1903 🔗

Yeadon was good and explained things in a very simple way to understand . He is getting the message out so well that Richard Tice is questioning the liverpool P C R tests on twitter .

252201 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Dave #KBF, #1402 of 1903 🔗

Not listening to TR now – they’ve gone soft. Ian Collins always was – think he might be a bit daft.

252366 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Iansn, #1403 of 1903 🔗

He few weeks ago he seemed to be almost suggesting there was a conspiracy at least to mislead the public. He seems to have stepped back from that now, so maybe he’s been leaned on either by Talk Radio or someone else.

252077 Guirme, replying to Guirme, 39, #1404 of 1903 🔗

So angry that we jumped into the car and drove to a different council area and did some shopping, maskless of course. On a positive note there were a few other maskless shoppers and I wasn’t challenged by the security guard that I walked by. Interestingly several others wore their masks below their noses. Wake up Scotland – rise up against the evil that is in our midst.

252107 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Guirme, #1405 of 1903 🔗

Rogues in a nation?

252078 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #1406 of 1903 🔗

This is a rehash of the old 80’s game “Build a Better Burger”.

It’s a 2020 edition called “Build-a-burger better”…

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252084 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #1407 of 1903 🔗

Bilderburger Back Better?

252085 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1408 of 1903 🔗

Shhhh!!

252082 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1409 of 1903 🔗

Kendrick:

Stamping on the ‘anti-vaxxers’ – a very stupid idea
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/11/17/stamping-on-the-anti-vaxxers-a-very-stupid-idea/#comments

252108 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1410 of 1903 🔗

Thanks. It’s a great read, as is most of Malcolm Kendrick’s writing.

252171 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1411 of 1903 🔗

From my earliest days in medicine, I have struggled against the prevailing model of health care. My opposition in part was provoked by the growing prevalence of overtreatment. Resorting to excessive interventions seemed to be the illegitimate child of technology in the age of market medicine.’

I love this quote.

252097 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #1412 of 1903 🔗

Every single one of us should be writing evidence to the House of Lords committee NOW! Deadline Wednesday night. Go, go, go!
https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/258/constitutional-implications-of-covid19/?fbclid=IwAR1KieLPIqDcOt4W89bRCnrPWwm_IDXAaZc-6rhAatzfeilIoKXIYnvQurs

252134 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1413 of 1903 🔗

Just reading and thinking about my response now.

252141 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1414 of 1903 🔗

It is a MUST that Lord Sumption is involved with this

252173 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1415 of 1903 🔗

I am sure he was instrumental in bringing it about! My primary evidence will be the way in which communications were handled. Daily public press conferences and threatening poster campaigns that closely resembled Hollywood movie posters for horror/dystopian stories. Death tolls on every headline of every media outlet. Psychological torture of children by ministers (“Don’t kill granny”). Misrepresentation of figures (calling questionable positive test results “cases” as if every single person had been examined and diagnosed by a medical professional. Censorship of any voice – no matter how qualified or eminent – that questioned the narrative. Not only do these styles of communication and action utterly undermine public trust, they terrorise people and clear the path for panic-induced theories. They kill vulnerable people. People will choose suicide over living with such fear. NEVER AGAIN! That’s the German motto. Let us not see death on the scale perpetrated by the Nazi Party before we say NEVER AGAIN!

252180 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1416 of 1903 🔗

The deadline for submissions is Wednesday 18 November at 11.59pm.

Call for evidence questions:

The use of emergency powers during the Covid-19 pandemic

1. Does the Coronavirus Act 2020 strike the right balance between powers for the Executive and parliamentary oversight and approval?

2. What existing powers (other than those in the Coronavirus Act 2020) might have been used to deliver the Government’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic? Was the Coronavirus Act 2020 necessary to implement the Government’s response to the pandemic?

3. How have the measures taken by the Government to address the pandemic been implemented, i.e. which aspects of the lockdown were set out in legislation, regulations and guidance? What effect has this had on the clarity of the measures?

4. Has the use of emergency powers by the Government to address the pandemic been proportionate?

Criminalisation and enforcement

5. What new criminal offences have been introduced as part of the Government’s response to the pandemic? Is criminalisation a proportionate, justified and appropriate response?

6. Have the new criminal offences introduced in response to the pandemic been sufficiently clear to: (a) members of the public and (b) the public authorities responsible for their interpretation and enforcement (including the police and the Crown Prosecution Service)?

7. What factors led to wrongful arrests and convictions under the emergency powers and how might these have been avoided?

Promulgation

8. To what extent have the legal requirements imposed on people during lockdown been clear and accessible to members of the public? How should the new measures introduced in response to the pandemic be communicated and explained to authorities (e.g. local government, police, border force, regulators), businesses and members of the public?

Devolved and local government

9. What have been the consequences of legal divergence between the constituent parts of the United Kingdom in responding to the pandemic?

10. Have local authorities been granted adequate powers to respond to the pandemic in their local area? Have the emergency measures taken by the Government struck the right balance of power between national and local governments?

11. How well have intergovernmental relations worked during the crisis through established mechanisms and through the Civil Contingencies Committee (COBR)?

12. Are there examples from other countries that are instructive as to the management of the virus between national and regional/state legislatures and executives?

Parliamentary scrutiny

13. To what extent has Parliament been able effectively to scrutinise the statutory instruments related to the pandemic measures? What additional steps ought to be taken to ensure effective scrutiny of emergency statutory instruments in future?

14. To what extent are safeguards on emergency powers (such as provisions for 21-day reviews) undermined when Parliament is not sitting, or when sittings are restricted? How might the law and/or parliamentary procedure need to adapt to such circumstances?

15. What processes are there for securing renewed Parliamentary oversight and control of the legislative agenda once the urgency of a given emergency has diminished? Are the sunset provisions and other safeguards provided for in the Coronavirus Act 2020 and associated regulations sufficient for this purpose?

16. What lessons can be learned from the (1) Government’s preparation, and (2) Parliament’s constrained scrutiny of the fast-tracked Coronavirus Bill? What should be done differently the next time there’s a need for substantial emergency legislation?

17. How does and should the Sewel/Legislative Consent convention operate in relation to emergency legislation?

18. Is there a case for reworking or consolidating emergency powers legislation? Should safeguards and scrutiny processes be standardised and, if so, how should they be designed to operate during a crisis?

252184 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1417 of 1903 🔗

I have just submitted my evidence.

It’s easy to do: just write a Word, ODF, or RTF document and upload it.

You need to give your name, and all (accepted) submissions are published. However, there is a box you can tick to request that your submission is published anonymously (although they reserve the right to ignore that request if they so choose).

252098 PD, 14, #1418 of 1903 🔗

Just emailed this to my MP, feel free to copy:

Dear Mr …….

Thank you for your response to my enquiry and sorry for the delay in replying.
It does appear that the information that Helen Whately provided you was inaccurate though. The PCR tests are by no means 99.9% accurate.
As you will be aware, the new ‘better’ Lateral Flow Tests that are being used in the mass testing programme in Liverpool are much more sensitive and have a reported accuracy of 99.6%.

I have attached links to the most recent set of data from 06/11/2020 to 15/11/2020 from Liverpool City Council which shows a large discrepancy between ‘positive cases’ captured using PCR tests compared to those captured using Lateral Flow Tests.

https://liverpool.gov.uk/communities-and-safety/emergency-planning/coronavirus/cases-control-and-testing/report-published-16th-november-2020/

https://liverpool.gov.uk/media/1359832/16112020_external.pdf

It appears that the results of the the PCR Test show a far higher percentage of positive ‘cases’.
47,270 tests were performed of which 1,407 or 2.97% of all tests were positive.

The new ‘better’ Lateral Flow Test is revealing that of 65,792 tests performed only 402 people or 0.6% of those tested are positive.

Dr Susan Hopkins has acknowledged that the new test has a False Positive Rate of ~0.4%.

These results show that the PCR test is wildly inaccurate. It means that its results can no longer be used as a justification to suspend normal life and withdraw basic freedoms. It also shows that of the 0.6% of positive cases identified by Lateral Flow Testing, approximately 2/3 of these people could also be false positives.

A…… you must use your influence to stand up to this madness. The Labour Party have been embarrassIngly quiet. The justification for the continued lockdown of society does not bear scrutiny.

252118 ▶▶ calchas, replying to MutzNutz, 16, #1420 of 1903 🔗

We need to keep our eye on the ball, To wit:

vaccine developed in record time

Using new experimental technology

By companies indemnified against damages claims

Against an ilness with a 0.1% death rate (max)

Where most show no symptoms

252128 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 14, #1421 of 1903 🔗

I would speculate that this vaccine (and the probably dozens of others that are planned should we lose this war) was developed and ready to go long before Covid-19.

What the voluntary uptake will be is anyone’s guess, but judging by what we have seen with the masks, I would suggest it will be very high indeed. The main stumbling block for me will be how quickly it can actually be distributed before the “side” effects start manifesting in large enough numbers to bring the whole thing crashing down.

252132 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Richard O, 11, #1422 of 1903 🔗

I have sensible people saying they wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole until we’re years down the line.

252140 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 1, #1423 of 1903 🔗

Agreed – but for persuasion work it is probably better to stick to the ‘rushed development’ argument.

252153 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 10, #1424 of 1903 🔗

Totally, the mad rush is a massive own goal that has aroused the suspicion of many staunchly pro-vaccine people that I know, especially given the new and highly risky technology that is being used.

252151 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 3, #1425 of 1903 🔗

I suspect the first dose will have no obvious effect. I’d be very wary of the second one!

252156 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, #1426 of 1903 🔗

Codenamed Triumph for obvious reasons, yes, although the second dose is supposedly to be administered only 28 days after the first.

252229 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1427 of 1903 🔗

‘The second one”…….. surely they will be ongoing ad infinitum? The amount of fear which has pervaded in nearly every nation on earth will be hard to extinguish as more new viruses will arrive and now we have a blueprint on how to deal with them.

Yearly Boosters and precautionary measures for ever too. Sorry to be doom laden but ‘we ain’t seen nothing yet!!’

252183 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 2, #1428 of 1903 🔗

Things aren’t looking good. But Ticketmaster had to climb down after unexpectedly large criticism so maybe it’s not completely lost.

252189 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, #1429 of 1903 🔗

I mentioned that in my latest MP email today

252289 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to calchas, #1430 of 1903 🔗

Is messanger RNA such a new experimental technology?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1748013219301483

252149 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MutzNutz, 2, #1431 of 1903 🔗

Don’t waste your time.

252282 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Cheezilla, #1432 of 1903 🔗

Do you agree with Dr Christiane Northrup re 5G etc?

252503 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MutzNutz, #1433 of 1903 🔗

I don’t know enough about it to comment other than to say I certainly think it warrants some sceptical investigation.

252573 ▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Cheezilla, #1434 of 1903 🔗

So you’ve not looked into the link between 5G & Sars Cov2 ?

252216 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to MutzNutz, #1435 of 1903 🔗

I watched it and the one before but couldn’t find the actual female ‘conspiracy theorist/obstetrician’ he is refuting.

The doctor starts by arguing for a focussed protection and small lockdowns. Then he advises wearing a mask – not because they will prevent all droplets but because you will get less through the mask and this will give your immune system a chance to kick back…..
I’ve not heard this rationale before !!

252505 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, #1437 of 1903 🔗

He’s just ranting a load of biased bollox.

252113 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1438 of 1903 🔗

To all Scottish sceptics: do you think that the police state that now exists in your country will rebound on the SNP?

252116 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1439 of 1903 🔗

it hasnt in Victoria yet

252127 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Iansn, 3, #1440 of 1903 🔗

And what is the common denominator between Victoria and Scotland….. Lefties everywhere!

252124 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1441 of 1903 🔗

I keep hoping that happens, as do I keep hoping that there will be some sort of civil unrest…but, as of yet….still hoping.

252130 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #1442 of 1903 🔗

Not sure on this one. I live in what was once a predominantly labour area but SNP have been voted in for years now. Most of my husbands family are still staunch labour and have never liked the SNP or her in charge.

I can add I stopped voting labour when they stopped representing us and have voted SNP but I will never vote for them or labour again. I will never forgive or will I ever forget what these power hungry politicians have done to this country and I will do everything in my power to make sure she and her party do not get in in my area again.

252152 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Just about sane, 8, #1443 of 1903 🔗

Thank you for that comprehensive and honest reply.
I stopped voting Labour after “New” Labour became “Blue” Labour and voted Liberal Democrat in the belief that the Lib Dems were further to the left than Labour and then I voted Green for the same reason, I returned to Labour last year because I believed that Corbyn had taken Labour back to a socialist party again.
But what now?, all the present parties believe in the same madness that is destroying all our lives.
Where can us sceptics turn to?, that’s if any sceptic party exists.

252237 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1444 of 1903 🔗

Apart from its being obvious who not to support right now, I think the viable alternatives will coalesce into something identifiable when voting becomes an option again.
At the moment, we have other more immediate things to focus on.

252131 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1445 of 1903 🔗

Sadly I think the SNP cult has brainwashed too many people up here already and they can do no wrong.

252145 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to dpj, 6, #1446 of 1903 🔗

A cult, yes, people just give up and stop thinking for themselves.

252150 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1447 of 1903 🔗

I certainly hope so. We are out and about a lot and it is clear that those we blether to are increasingly unhappy at what is going on but most people feel helpless and comply with most of the nonsense because they feel that they have no option. However the assault on family, criminalising your children visiting you, is not going down well. Most people seem to be ignoring this or at least convince themselves that they somehow aren’t covered by the rules. I suspect that Sturgeon will resign as First Minister some time next year citing the strain of fighting Covid but the real reason is that her Alex Salmond shenanigans are catching up with her. I just do not know how the elections will play out but the rising tide of unemployment is going to be increasingly difficult to defend so I would like to believe that this will translate into a reduced SNP vote.

252188 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Guirme, 8, #1448 of 1903 🔗

I’ve given up trying to convince anyone about the current and future assaults on individual liberty – it’s just too abstract for most people to grasp. While they have their bread and circuses, they will accept almost anything. But I do think ‘war fatigue’ will begin to creep in and if anything is to change, it will be this that brings it about. Eventually, there will be money problems and the ‘Great Reset’ may not be as easy to impose as some might think. However, I am resigned now to this taking years rather than months, and I do not think we will ever get back to the ‘old normal’ whatever happens.

252162 ▶▶ Danny, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1449 of 1903 🔗

I doubt it. Sturgeon can point to the “police state” as one necessitated by Whitehall incompetence. Dear leader Nicola is simply keeping you all safe by locking you up, effectively preventing hospitals and doctors from saving lives, isolating the vulnerable, and destroying livelihoods and family life.

252242 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1450 of 1903 🔗

No. Not in any meaningful way. The SNP have a 10-year track record of failure, but the faithful still vote for them come what may. Probably because independence (from Westminster, not Brussels) is a religion – it’s based on emotion rather than rational argument. Furthermore, the SNP have always been authoritarian (e.g. Named Persons), so the current dystopia is simply showing us what an independent Scotland would look like under the SNP, and an alarming number of Scots seem to be happy being told how to live their lives.

Our best hope of escaping the clutches of the cult is a split within the SNP itself.

252248 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1451 of 1903 🔗

Sadly, I don’t think so. Just like the factual analysis of covid, factual analysis of cause and effect is not an SNP voter strong point.

The Krankienfuhrer and her loyal band of spiteful hall monitors will find some way to blame the Glasgow lockdown on the English, or the Tories, or heretic Scots like us who don’t follow her pointless and deranged rules.

Her cult’s most precious belief is that anything bad that happens up here can ALWAYS be blamed on the English, or the Tory PM du jour. Every delusional cult needs a devil figure after all.

252285 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to GorbalsGirl, 1, #1452 of 1903 🔗

Not far wrong in that when it comes to Boris Johnson, though Matt Hancock might be a better fit…

252516 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1453 of 1903 🔗

I’m not optimistic. I’m a Politics lecturer at a university (that shall not be named) here and have studied the SNP for some time. The best hope for change is for a split in the party, but it has iron discipline. Even the ‘incident’ with Alex Salmond, which is being investigated by the Scottish Parliament and not receiving full cooperation from the Scottish Government (a scandal in itself), is not making a dent in the party’s support. As others have said here, if the party’s abysmal 13-year track record in power doesn’t reduce your support, it’s unlikely that anything will. Multilevel governance (devolution) allows the SNP to take credit for what works and put the blame on the UK (basically England) for all of Scotland’s problems. It’s hopeless and points to some failings in the structure of devolution, though I’m not sure that a perfect institutional design (if it existed) would work here due to the strong sense of Scottish identity and grievance culture.

The ‘rona episode has given ‘Dear Leader’ Sturgeon a platform that she has taken full advantage of. Even though she has done very little that has differed from the rest of the UK, and outcomes have been very similar, most Scots seem to think she has done ‘very well’ and much better than Boris Johnson. I despair, but most common sense and rational thinking went out the window here (and nearly everywhere else in the world) back in March – though the SNP was doing well before this despite its poor domestic policy record (education in particular) and support for independence is being sustained, for many months, at record levels.

Sturgeon has a weird Svegali effect on most people here. I have seen face masks saying ‘Thank you, Nicola’ in a shop window. She could be filmed torturing kittens and it would not have any impact on her popularity. Part of the explanation for her and her party’s popularity is simply that they are not Boris, the UK government or English. It also helps that the opposition here is divided and Unionists are seen by many (though not all) as not truly Scottish, and the Conservatives here were largely opposed to devolution itself for some time. Labour made a terrible mistake by joining Better Together (the No side) with the Conservatives during the independence referendum campaign and will probably never recover. A lot of people here seem to be quite tribal – strong Scottish identity, as well as (sometimes) other identities, such as with religious groups. The sectarian problem here is a lot worse than the government would like you to think (Scotland is not the cosmopolitan, outward-looking place they want to portray it as), though it’s hard to conceal the problem when they fought so hard to keep the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act, the first act that was actually repealed here.

That leads me to authoritarianism, which I think is somewhat worse than in England, though perhaps not all that much. Scotland does have this reputation, and there is some truth to it (particularly in the past, in areas like gay rights and prisoners’ rights), but I don’t think it’s all that different from England today. I’ve lived in both nations but come from overseas, so have observed this from a fairly objective stance. The opinion data I have seen on this matter doesn’t show a huge difference, as is also the case with the ‘myth of a progressive Scotland’ – Scots may like to think they are much more left wing than the English, but this is not true. It doesn’t stop some (not all) from displaying a rather sanctimonious attitude, which the SNP does all the time, trying to distance itself from big, bad ‘Tory’ England, yet complaining when it doesn’t get enough money.

So, sorry to go on, but I’m not optimistic about any negative impact on the Scottish Government or SNP anytime soon, at least not any sooner than in the rest of the UK. I think the way out of this will come from a combination of factors: economic (mainly), general fatigue on the part of the public, widespread failure to adhere to rules, and ultimately a big reluctance to take the magic vaccine. I hope we don’t see riots, but I would not rule that out. Ultimately, it was a hysterical public that led most governments (which, in the UK, was initially reluctant) into this disaster, and I think it will be an angry public that will lead us out. Here in Scotland, I actually think Sturgeon and her party will avoid the blame that will eventually fall on BoJo and his dreadful cabinet (except for Rishi, who I expect will take over early next year) and will probably win a majority of Scottish Parliament seats in May. We’ll see what happens with a second referendum.

This is my first post here. I have been reading for months and have to thank you for helping me to maintain my sanity! Most of my academic ‘colleagues’ were cheering the lockdown, but I was opposed from the beginning and have lost most of the friends I once had at the university.

252114 justinErtia, replying to justinErtia, 18, #1454 of 1903 🔗

Here’s one… Sorry for not trawling the growing number of comments to find the relevant one to reply to… But here’s my addition to the quotathon:

““I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
Tolstoy

252154 ▶▶ annie, replying to justinErtia, 12, #1455 of 1903 🔗

That’s utterly true.Witness the fury and spitefulness of academics whose pet theories are challenged.

252135 Ken Turner, replying to Ken Turner, 3, #1456 of 1903 🔗

PM program on Radio 4 this evening had an interview with a person that claims to have been reinfected with covid – justifying Boris isolation – but
no question as to the impact of such a discovery on vax plans

252139 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Ken Turner, 9, #1457 of 1903 🔗

Is that six now? Out of how many million cases?

252212 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to FenTyger, 1, #1458 of 1903 🔗

Around 800,000,000

252279 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to FenTyger, #1459 of 1903 🔗

Depend which test you’re using. About 55 million worldwide using PCR and about 2 million worldwide using the special Nick Rose testing kit, which has no false positives.

252230 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ken Turner, #1460 of 1903 🔗

“Claims” to have been? Did they have a positive test? Any symptoms?

Don’t worry about the vaccine though. That’s special.

252278 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1461 of 1903 🔗

I think he said he had a positive test second time round then slipped in he didn’t take a test the first time- didn’t sound conclusive to me

252287 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1462 of 1903 🔗

Sounds about right, so he has no idea if he actually had it at all, yet it’s taken as conclusive evidence and reported as fact on a national radio programme.

Talk about spreading misinformation and lies… They need to be censored.

252301 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Turner, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1463 of 1903 🔗

First time round he’d had some symptoms – funny taste but no test. Few months later when giving blood was told he had antibodies for cv19 – so presumed it was an infection.
Depending on the exact timeline, perhaps he did have it the first time around and the second was just debris – would at least expect a reasonable examination of this interesting claim – but it was the BBC

252138 ianric, replying to ianric, 25, #1464 of 1903 🔗

Do you feel that in a real pandemic the government wouldn’t need to resort to the draconian laws and punishment we have seen as people would voluntarily take precautions if they saw clear evidence there was a contagious and dangerous virus around. Does the fact governments have to resort to draconian laws mean there is no visible threat from a dangerous disease. Do you think the current laws would be excessive even in a real pandemic.

252187 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to ianric, 25, #1465 of 1903 🔗

“if there was a real pandemic,
the government and the media would do everything to calm us down”

252194 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to 2 pence, 9, #1466 of 1903 🔗

Best ever LS comment.

252228 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ianric, 6, #1467 of 1903 🔗

Yes, because people voluntarily took precautions before the first lockdown, when it was unclear how big the threat would be. I would certainly not be moaning about not being able to go down the pub if Ebola was doing the rounds.

252268 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to ianric, 8, #1468 of 1903 🔗

Even if half the population was dying, the government has no right to do what they did. We’d sort ourselves out, we don’t need the government to do it for us.

I suspect the draconian laws/threats/overreactions have more to do with the government showing its own lack of leadership. That is what has been lacking in this entire “crisis”: leadership.

252334 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to ianric, 1, #1469 of 1903 🔗

Thing is when China comes up with the Covid 21 upgrade where does the government go with restrictions having gone so far for the minor impact Covid 19. What would they do if there was a real pandemic with you stepping over bodies in the street?

252467 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to dhpaul, 1, #1470 of 1903 🔗

Perhaps they would go for the Sadiq Khan approach when there’s literally blood in the street, people being slaughtered at London Bridge, Borough Market: “Oh just carry on as normal…”

252144 Kevin 2, 6, #1471 of 1903 🔗

Sebastian Rushworth suitably sceptical on Long Covid (apologies if link already posted):-

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/17/what-is-long-covid/

252148 Dan Clarke, 5, #1472 of 1903 🔗

Dont think Sturgeon’s lockdown would work in the summer, convenient timing

252155 Danny, replying to Danny, 21, #1473 of 1903 🔗

So on the same day that Boris blunders through an indelicate message on devolution, Sturgeon responds with what is effectively house arrest and martial law across Scotland. I know I am singing to the choir here, but just how much longer are the public going to bow down and take this power grab?

252223 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Danny, 5, #1474 of 1903 🔗

You have a lovely singing voice though. Bowing down? As long as there is the BBC, Sky News etc. not for a while yet. Things are unraveling though and quite quickly I think.

252265 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1475 of 1903 🔗

I also think that TPTB also realise it.

252324 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Danny, 2, #1476 of 1903 🔗

I don’t want to sing to the choir – I want to sing WITH one! Bastards!

252158 AN other lockdown sceptic, 9, #1477 of 1903 🔗

2020 Trump landslide suggested by hand recounts ALREADY conducted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmGecHDps8U

252161 Cheezilla, 19, #1478 of 1903 🔗

I got a letter from the Labour Party, including a brightly illustrated message from Keir Starmer, a form to register for a postal vote and a prepaid envelope addressed to my council electoral services.

Given the postal vote shenanegans currently being investigated in the US, this seemed pretty daft!

I’d been jotting down juicy phrases to put in a letter of response. Then their censorship suggestions were publicised.

So, I readdressed the envelope to the Labour Party and wrote on the back of their letter:

Please tell Sir Kneelalot Stalin that the Labour Nazi Party should be stamped out forthwith.

Feel much better now!

252164 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1479 of 1903 🔗

In today’s update of Sturgeon talks a lot of bollocks:-

“But Level 4 is intended to be short and sharp. And in this situation, it is specifically intended to have an impact in advance of Christmas and the most challenging winter period.”

I bet you are use to short and sharp Nicola eh. I am sure we have heard this before though…

“Lifting the Level 4 restrictions then – as we will do – also means that they will not be in place for most of the Hanukkah period – so again, while celebrations may be different, there will be a greater degree of freedom.”

Who the fuck cares about Hannukkah! Even in the progressive woke Scottish Parliament the Jews cannot be that big of a concern right now.

“We will assess nearer the time the level that will apply in each area when the Level 4 restrictions end on December 11.” The First Minister added that she hoped the affected areas would be able to move to Level 2 “much more quickly than would otherwise be the case”.

Oh great so you’ve shafted us with a higher level to get to a lower level at some indeterminate date. Thanks very much Nic!

252166 ▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 12, #1480 of 1903 🔗

Wales had a short, sharp lockdown. It really sent ‘cases’ soaring.

252221 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, #1481 of 1903 🔗

Where can I find evidence of this to send to my MP (a “circuit breaker” advocate)? On the govt dashboard Welsh “cases” appear to have fallen quite steeply, and that will be what she’s looking at. I know ONS data has found a rise, but is there any other source?

252243 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 2, #1482 of 1903 🔗

Yep their Health Secretary admitted it had failed but argued to continue with it would break faith with the people.

252260 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to OKUK, 1, #1483 of 1903 🔗

That faith is well and truly broken already.

252307 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to OKUK, 1, #1484 of 1903 🔗

‘Break faith’ is a poignant reminder of Remembrance Day:

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

Let us not fail to catch that torch. Freedom was not won for all time in 1918, or 1945, it is passed on as a sacred gift to each generation.

252259 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, #1485 of 1903 🔗

The one I ignored?

252217 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JHuntz, 6, #1486 of 1903 🔗

Isn’t this really a third lockdown, for all the Tier 4 places? If the second lockdown didn’t work, why will a third?

Oh I give up, I don’t know why I keep asking these questions.

252308 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1487 of 1903 🔗

There’s no point trying to find any logic in it. The one good thing in all this nonsense is that if there really is some sort of Great Reset going on, our lot are so clueless they are likely to make a total hash of it.

252264 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1488 of 1903 🔗

LOL at the desperate attempt at inclusivity by references to Hannukah. How many practising Jews are there in Scotland these days? 20? Probably also meant as a dig at Labour as well.

252386 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cranmer, #1489 of 1903 🔗

You might be right about the labour anti semitism slight. I doubt practicing jews even represent 0.1% of the population.

252168 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #1490 of 1903 🔗

Vert good edition of Richie Allen tonight, please try and download via a podcast app as he is no longer uploading to poo tube – Prof Delores Cahill and Gilad Atzmon.

252170 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #1491 of 1903 🔗

Suggestions please?

252174 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1492 of 1903 🔗

Of podcast apps?? I personally use Google Podcasts.

252177 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1493 of 1903 🔗

I have used Podbean for several years

252241 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, 1, #1494 of 1903 🔗

You don’t need an app, just listen in your browser here: