2020-11-18

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252699 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1 of 1714 🔗

1st

252708 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Londo Mollari, 14, #2 of 1714 🔗

Dear Londo

Pfizer’s former Chief Scientific Advisor Dr Mike Yeadon believes 50% of the population was already immune to Covid-19 by the time infection rates reduced in June.

Speaking with talkRADIO’s Ian Collins, he said: “Our bodies have experience of common cold-causing coronavirus which of course the BBC didn’t bother to tell you about.”

It comes after the goal of securing a Covid-19 vaccine moved a step closer with early data showing a new jab to be almost 95% effective in protecting against the virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZjtiqujql8

252714 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 24, #3 of 1714 🔗

95% effective?’Protecting’?
Evidence?
Does ‘protecting’ means this jab stops you getting Covvie?

Anybody else remember Sooty snd Sweep? Izzy whizzy, let’s get busy, magic wand, magic powder, sprinkle, sprinkle, well done, Sooty!

PS. In case you don’t remember, Sooty was a puppet.

253310 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 3, #4 of 1714 🔗

But Sooty made people laugh, not creep around in face nappies and despair.

252966 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #5 of 1714 🔗

And so you will be the first to roll up your sleeve.

254440 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Londo Mollari, #6 of 1714 🔗

Who cares?!

252700 Jenny, #7 of 1714 🔗

wow!

252701 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 16, #8 of 1714 🔗

Not first, but close. Absolutely fuming after my idiot governor reimposed restrictions on Sunday… Looking for good news, Toby. Yesterday’s had this gem, which I’m posting in case anyone missed it. Share with all your wobbler friends:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/medical-doctor-warns-bacterial-pneumonias-rise-mask-wearing/5725848

252703 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to RyanM, 1, #9 of 1714 🔗

Presumably Ohio? RINO governor..

253263 ▶▶ mm99, replying to RyanM, #10 of 1714 🔗

Which state?

254047 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to mm99, #11 of 1714 🔗

Washington State. Jay Inslee.

252702 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 55, #12 of 1714 🔗

I can’t believe this is still going on, and now it looks like they will be doing what to all intents and purposes is going to be a continuation of lockdown rebranded as tier 4, which I assume is purely to avoid having a Parliamentary vote. How can this charade be allowed to continue? And why is the British public being treated like three-year-olds: Father Christmas will only come if you are good boys and girls?

252706 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Coronamoana, 33, #13 of 1714 🔗

Exactly. And the masses are still lapping it up. I actually heard someone the other day say it was a good thing that we may be allowed a few days’ respite at Christmas. FFS.

252965 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to kh1485, 24, #14 of 1714 🔗

Worse is those who get angry that people don’t follow the “rules” – I’ve heard too many people calling for the army to get involved to effectively enforce marshal law.

253171 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to J4mes, 4, #15 of 1714 🔗

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253675 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian S, replying to JohnB, 2, #16 of 1714 🔗

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254264 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian S, #17 of 1714 🔗

Sometimes similar, but not quite the same. 🙂

253595 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to kh1485, 7, #18 of 1714 🔗

Virus going on holiday is it? Thick idiots will just lap it up and say ‘isn’t the Slippery Pig great, he has saved xmas. I really do give up.

252711 ▶▶ annie, replying to Coronamoana, 53, #19 of 1714 🔗

Well, you might as well trreat zombies like three-year-olds because their intellect has regressed to about that level. Or, thinking of some toddlers I know, considerably below.
Our village newsletter is lamenting the fact that lots of residents will be all alone over Christmas. But do the horrid cowardly little wimps suggest that somebody should invite these lonely people in? Do they hell.

252760 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 41, #20 of 1714 🔗

Yes, I come across that a lot. A high-minded tone of sorrowful resignation. Absolutely zero willingness to fight the restrictions. These people are the collaborators who make me angriest.

252763 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 32, #21 of 1714 🔗

Well said. They still come across as virtuous with their muzzles and adherence to the rules (whenever it suits them but shhhh….) and despite the mountains of data showing we’ve been lied to and the collateral damage, they still refuse to wake up.

252931 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Coronamoana, 31, #22 of 1714 🔗

It’s still going on because it has little-to nothing to do with a virus.

Every time we’re “released” from lockdown we’ll see another freedom taken away. After 1st lockdown we were inexplicably forced to wear masks. After his current lockdown we’ll be forced to get a vaccination – either under compulsory rules or blackmail. We’ll then need to carry a certificate everywhere we go to identify ourselves as “Covid-safe”.

By March next year, our lives will be so miserable, small local businesses gone and replaced by global giants like Amazon and Asda. After the inevitable third lockdown, cash will be removed as a means of monetary transaction and our bank cards will become a new track and trace.

We’ll have become what can only be described as a full-blown Communist state. Poverty and totalitarian rule.

253124 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to J4mes, 16, #23 of 1714 🔗

It’s not communist. We’re being held to ransom by the banks, Pharma, the WEF, Bill Gates, tech companies etc.

It’s about profiting off, and controlling humans

254385 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Ben, #24 of 1714 🔗

You seem very sure of that Jamie. But those who own and run the banks, pharma, tech companies, etc, all have something in common and their political persuasion is most definitely the communist brand of socialism. Each of those you highlight exhaustingly promote ‘cultural terrorism’, as defined by the communist György Lukács. People mostly know it as cultural Marxism. In simple terms; it focuses on the exponential destruction of a culture through turning normality upside down and perverting everything that is good and innocent.

I would recommend you read about the Red Mafiya as a starting point. The Cold War, just like this scamdemic, was well and truly out the ordinary and the more you look at the peripheral activities, you could most certainly argue it was a ruse.

254432 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ben, #25 of 1714 🔗

Communism is entirely compatible with profiting off and controlling humans. Witness the People’s Republic of China.

(I suppose someone will now say, “oh, but that isn’t proper communism”… no, it never is and never will be, because communism can only exist in political theorists’ textbooks.)

254441 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #26 of 1714 🔗

Mark Windows and others call it Communitarianism. It’s a new and improved ism.You’re going to love it.

253272 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to J4mes, 9, #27 of 1714 🔗

Blimey James you’re cheerful! Trouble is you are probably right. Time to sharpen the pitchforks.

254116 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #28 of 1714 🔗

You and Jamie are both right.

253404 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to J4mes, 7, #29 of 1714 🔗

I agree with you it is communist. Because under a communist regime, the majority was living hand to mouth, growing vegetables themselves to make sure they have food, whilst the people in charge enjoyed trips to the west, caviar and champagne and lots of other privileges.

253794 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Silke David, 8, #30 of 1714 🔗

Communism was dressed up so some of the masses would swallow it willingly. In simplest terms it’s a small number of people with ultimate power/wealth controlling the lives of millions and having their say in every aspect of how those millions live their lives. A closed and controlled society. Welcome to the new normal, wipe your minds of everything that once was and obey the new order.

254442 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddie, #31 of 1714 🔗

Wipe your mind of claptrap, New Age, Green Emergency, Unicorn Communitarianism.

254117 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Silke David, -5, #32 of 1714 🔗

How is that any different to capitalism.

253586 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to J4mes, 1, #33 of 1714 🔗

You are such an incurable optimist, you make me dizzy.

254393 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to annie, #34 of 1714 🔗

Are you talking about my analysis, or have you caught the incurable phantom virus?

253030 ▶▶ George L, replying to Coronamoana, 14, #35 of 1714 🔗

The British public are being treated like three-year olds simply because they are allowing it. Next step two year olds if the ‘great unwashed’ don’t get their $hit together..

253318 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Coronamoana, 2, #36 of 1714 🔗

Forget red herrings. Fluorescent carrots are the order of the day.

Maybe Aldi is trying to tell us something ……

252704 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 33, #37 of 1714 🔗

So there are still some people who don’t think that we are building up ‘herd immunity’ ?

Why then are places like London, New York, Stockholm, where the death rates were higher during the pandemic, showing very low to virtually zero death rates now. London is consistently around half or below the level of the UK.

My borough, Haringey, had no deaths last week (to 6 November), Westminster 1, Barnet 3, Camden 0, Watford 1.

And that’s all without adjusting for the fact that these are deaths of people who’ve tested positive on a test which is unbelievably riddled with false positives.

Why are the government wasting time and money on a vaccine for a problem that’s already pretty much over, definitely in London and soon in the rest of the country. Even the NYT (17/11/20) has realised that:

“Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness , the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come.”

You never know, even Fauci or Hancock may soon realise how a virus works !

252712 ▶▶ annie, replying to Laurence, 32, #38 of 1714 🔗

Not only does the test throw up false positives, but the vast majority of the corpses almost certainly died ‘with’, not ‘of’.

252715 ▶▶ annie, replying to Laurence, 20, #39 of 1714 🔗

Perhaps somebody who knows how a virus works could tell Pantsdown Ferguson, who after a career of getting everything grotesquely wrong still hasn’t a clue.

253013 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 20, #40 of 1714 🔗

Ferguson is not the real problem, he is just another bent cog in the bent machine. The real villains are those who pay Imperial College to expressly come up with utter garbage. Also even more to blame are those in government, who then act upon Ferguson’s fear porn, even though they must know that he is talking through his arse.

253309 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Rowan, 6, #41 of 1714 🔗

In any other job he would have been sacked for incompetence years ago.

254158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #42 of 1714 🔗

Ferguson is giving his benefactors and their UK government puppets the models they want. I say corrupt rather than incompetent.

253040 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 13, #43 of 1714 🔗

Ferguson knows he’s got it wrong. Governments use his ‘models’ to justify their their lockdown responses which benefit multiple vested interests, especially Pharma. He is literally a prostitute for governments and their agendas

252716 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 14, #44 of 1714 🔗

Refer back to Toby’s piece yesterday comparing the conduct of WW1 to that of operating lockdown
No country wanted WW1* so there were no initial War Aims.
Very quickly the unstated War Aim of every power became simply not to lose and, as yesterday’s piece concluded, the aim of regimes all over the world is not to lose face by admitting Lockdown was all a terrible mistake and so it just grinds on and on.

* there were military elites and revolutionary elements that welcomed war just as there were Modelling and Medical elites who welcomed Covid/lockdown as a means of boosting their own self importance.

252796 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 5, #45 of 1714 🔗

it does grind on and on given that no govt anywhere in the world has been challenged and deposed.

252953 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to karenovirus, 5, #46 of 1714 🔗

banks were the main agencies benefiting, as usual

253542 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Iansn, 3, #47 of 1714 🔗

We were being told at the beginning of the year, before lockdown, that the virus was being used as an excuse to rescue the banks ….

253051 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to karenovirus, 10, #48 of 1714 🔗

We’ve never been told the truth about WW1, or WW2. Its a subject I’ve been extremely interested in for many years, and researched intensively. The conclusions I’ve come to is that both wars were contrived at the behest of the financial oligarchy who benefited both monetarily and politicly . Nothing changes.. same $hit.. different year/century.

253313 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to George L, 3, #49 of 1714 🔗

And the ordinary joe gets shat on as always.

253802 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to George L, 4, #50 of 1714 🔗

Agreed. Millions upon millions of lives exterminated because the A-holes convinced us regular folk that we needed to go kill the regular folk from another country. All for what exactly?

253069 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 11, #51 of 1714 🔗

The main aim of the war being waged by Johnson et al, on the UK people, is to achieve a large measure of depopulation by means of a cull via lethal vaccinations. Lockdowns, mass testing and other pointless restrictions are there, simply to push the people into accepting dodgy vaccines, for those not even remotely at risk. We will be told that the vaccines are the way out of the current hell, which in reality is all of the government’s making. Once the mass vaccinations are nearly finished the government will have won hands down.

253324 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Rowan, 10, #52 of 1714 🔗

Yes its ‘we will release you from what we have imposed on you’. The cheek of these scummy bastards is unbelievable. I have always thought of myself as a peace loving type even though I am 6ft 4 and 15 stone. But in all honesty if I found myself alone in a room with Johnson or Hancock or Whitty or Valence or Ferguson I honestly dont think I could hold it together.

253482 ▶▶▶▶ Ze brave new world, replying to Rowan, 3, #53 of 1714 🔗

No, I don’t think this Covid-19 saga will be over and done with when people start taking vaccines. They already prepare something much more lethal, and not afraid to speak about it:
https://youtu.be/5ZRg5kiH9Is

254279 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ze brave new world, 2, #54 of 1714 🔗

I’m not sure exactly what the looney tunes from the WEF is going on about, but I would assume he is referring to Bill Gates’s fabled Pandemic 2. As such, I would suggest, that the psychos, who really run things, may well be plotting to release a real version of something very nasty next time around. As yet, I remain unconvinced that Covid-19 (Pandemic 1) is anything more than a rebranded seasonal influenza. This so called pandemic was sustained over the summer by the ongoing deliberate and systematic misuse of the PCR test and just like flu, it is now showing a very modest seasonal uptick.

The PCR test inventor, the late and sometimes outspoken Kary Mullis, must surely be spinning in his grave. What a coincidence, he died just before all this Covid nonsense got going, but I won’t speculate any further on that.

Those people, who volunteer for Covid-19 vaccination, will overall likely fare worse in any Pandemic 2. The increased morbidity might well be intentional and likely due, at least in part, to the possibility of a cytokine storm, which may happen when an mRNA vaccine recipient comes into contact with the real infection. Resistance to the totally flawed Covid-19 vaccination rollout is vital.

252725 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Laurence, 12, #55 of 1714 🔗

Anyone would think that some people want this fraud to continue given their denial of herd immunity. Of course the continued push for an unnecessary vaccine is all about the money. How many companies are there frantically trying to get to the finishing line first? I’ve read there’s a bonus from Bill Gates for the one who does.

252770 ▶▶ Wayne Keogh, replying to Laurence, 9, #56 of 1714 🔗

Compare the last election map with current Covid19 hot spot map and it is evident that the labour strong holds (mainly deprived working class communities) are been singled out to bear the brunt of the restrictions/tyranny – it stinks!!!!

253004 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Laurence, 15, #57 of 1714 🔗

Fauci is up to his eyeballs in collusion and conspiracy and has been so since his dodgy dealings over HIV and AIDs. His outfit also provided millions of dollars to the Wuhan laboratory for gain of function research in regard to coronavirus. He is also a long time associate of Bill Gates, who wants to vaccinate anything that moves. Does all this make Fauci naive or just plain evil? As for Hancock, I see him as an unprincipled and ignorant chancer, who would do anything if his palms were greased sufficiently.

252707 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 54, #58 of 1714 🔗

Further to Toby’s ‘We are in a false positive pseudo epidemic’.

It’s worse than that it’s downright lying throughout the NHS from the beginning of lockdown.
I have come across numerous instances of peoples relatives, friends or care patients being labelled as Covid dead when they were not.
An administrator at my major regional hospital told me early on that any patient in the hospital who came into contact with any Covid case and who subsequently died was to be recorded as Covid dead even when they never had the disease.

252713 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 42, #59 of 1714 🔗

Institutional fraud on an epic scale. And where are the MSM, who should be yelling about this from the rooftops. They are nowhere to be found.

252824 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to kh1485, 13, #60 of 1714 🔗

Complicit? In some indirect way taking a cut?

253176 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ovis, 8, #61 of 1714 🔗

Depends on how indirect you think Gates’ “donations” are. 🙂

253028 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 10, #62 of 1714 🔗

The mainstream media is complicit in the crime

254396 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, 1, #63 of 1714 🔗

The MSM are happy getting lashings of Covid advertising from government, which is now their biggest buyer of space and time. Also, they are likely all still getting their multi-million “be good” backhanders from Bill Gates, so no doubt they will carry on being pro-lockdown, pro-vaccine and pro-Bill Gates, until it’s far too late.

253027 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 8, #64 of 1714 🔗

These ‘administrators’ are complicit in crimes against humanity

253070 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to karenovirus, 5, #65 of 1714 🔗

There HAS to be a financial incentive for this. Does the trust get it? The doctor signing the death certificate? Someone on this thread must know the truth about this

253501 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 2, #66 of 1714 🔗

One minor correction, if you please; “sadlidied”.

252709 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #67 of 1714 🔗

Dear Mr Lockdown

Pfizer’s former Chief Scientific Advisor Dr Mike Yeadon believes 50% of the population was already immune to Covid-19 by the time infection rates reduced in June.

Speaking with talkRADIO’s Ian Collins, he said: “Our bodies have experience of common cold-causing coronavirus which of course the BBC didn’t bother to tell you about.”

It comes after the goal of securing a Covid-19 vaccine moved a step closer with early data showing a new jab to be almost 95% effective in protecting against the virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZjtiqujql8

252710 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 66, #68 of 1714 🔗

I don’t like to victimise myself, but i just felt the need to point out that us immigrants have it a bit harder than most. Whilst i would not compare the gravity of my situation with the ordeal Vanessa Gray and her autistic son are going through, they get to see eachother once a week. Everyone else could, at least until this stupid lockdown started, see their family. But us immigrants, we don’t get to do that. I haven’t seen my family since mid 2019. Many of us cannot take a month long holiday at the minimum to visit our families.

Which is why i want all this insanity to be over. I want these idiots in prison, where they belong, for the sheer incompetence and dereliction of duty displayed. I want this to be over so i can see my very, very old grandma again.

252717 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 48, #69 of 1714 🔗

We all want it to be over. We are all, as the repulsive phrase goes, in it together. All victims of totalitarian bullying and lies and, worst of all, the incredible stupidity and cowardice of the Covvieherd. So we must all fight it together. For you, for your grandma, for all of us.

252979 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 17, #70 of 1714 🔗

Quite alot of us emigrants are in the same boat as you.
I had my trip back to the UK cancelled and due to the onerous restrictions in getting back to Thailand I am now looking at having to relocate permanently to the UK. Alot of my friends are older than me an not in good health and I am desperate to see them.
Hope you do get to see your grandma again.

253179 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -3, #71 of 1714 🔗

Only immigrants have family in other countries ?!

253316 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to JohnB, 4, #72 of 1714 🔗

Can you point to where i said only immigrants have family in other countries?

254260 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -3, #73 of 1714 🔗

… us immigrants have it a bit harder than most.

(and it’s ‘we immigrants’ 🙂 ).

252718 annie, replying to annie, 9, #74 of 1714 🔗

The gym business has really got people going.

Prevent gyms closing due to a spike in Covid 19 cases In the event of a spike we would like you not to close gyms as a measure to stop any spread of Covid. Also for gyms to not be put in the same group as pubs in terms of risk or importance. Gyms are following strict guidelines and most members are following rules in a sober manner.


[…]
608,603 signatures




Parliament will debate this petitionParliament will debate this petition on 23 November 2020.
You’ll be able to watch online on the UK Parliament YouTube channel .

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/333869

252721 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to annie, 16, #75 of 1714 🔗

Swim England also asked that their vats of chlorine swimming pools not be closed, but no one cared.

252832 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #76 of 1714 🔗

My mum needs to be back in the pool. Where is safer than that anyway????? Even if you did believe the fairy stories.

253143 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to CGL, 5, #77 of 1714 🔗

My sister with MS needs her weekly swim too.

252877 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 16, #78 of 1714 🔗

It’s outrageous, I need to swim x3 weekly to keep my joints from seizing up. It’s a preventative, common sense strategy for thousands of older people who find that weight bearing exercises aren’t possible due to knee/ hip/back pain. We’re keeping surgery at bay but now deteriorating fast.

Swimming is also great for keeping depression and anxiety down.

252747 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 5, #79 of 1714 🔗

608,603 signatures, who knew gyms were so popular.
No wonder plod go in thirty at a time.

252772 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 9, #80 of 1714 🔗

I think plod imagine that gyms are full of hairy steroid users. Round our way it’s all yummy mummies or retired people trying not to lose their bone density.

254179 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #81 of 1714 🔗

I’m 45 and get up at 4:30am every day to go to the gym. After 20 years of addiction/self destruction, I’ve replaced it with a new addiction and it’s helping me from completely losing faith in myself and this world. And the people there are great!!
If they truly cared about our health then no rec centres or gyms would be closed.

252719 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 27, #82 of 1714 🔗

Shoutout to Rosie re. your post yesterday:

Hi, looking for members in Essex/Saffron Waldon.
Has kh1485 told us the name of her shop? I’ve a friend in the area who is facing the inquisition aka school headteacher and others about her child not wearing a mask.
She’s looking for local friends and ideally a person to go to the meeting with her on Monday.

I put a message on the forum about meeting up with fellow LS in SW. I am quite happy to be contacted in that way. I didn’t see your post yesterday because I tend not to look at the site in the evening (a friend alerted me to it).

I also haven’t mentioned the name of the shop because a) I didn’t want it to look as though I was touting for business – I’m not. I post because I want to highlight the consequences of lockdown on my customers (especially the elderly ones) and business owners and b) I didn’t want to be subject to any more abuse.

252750 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 10, #83 of 1714 🔗

Tout your shop as much as you like, I’d be a regular if it was anywhere near me!

252768 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #84 of 1714 🔗

I still have visiting your neck of the woods and your cafe in my to do list. Go kh!!!!

252803 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #85 of 1714 🔗

Me too. For those who want to find kh’s tea shop, it is easy to find on a review search. Find the one that’s got a scathing review for not being Covid secure and you’re there!
It’s in my county but quite some distance but I am determined to go there once it’s allowed to seat people again.

252821 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steph, 3, #86 of 1714 🔗

I did manage to find it ages ago and since then its in my priority list to visit.

252835 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 11, #87 of 1714 🔗

Yep, that’s me, the Granny-Killer cafe – the one that is patronised by mainly er … grannies!

Just heard from a customer that someone is taking a photo of my ‘Quote of the Day’ (the William Henry Harrison one mentioned on here on Monday). They’re probably hot-footing it to the council as I type!

252840 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 5, #88 of 1714 🔗

How about you broadcast that phone call by Dr Hodkinson all day?

252720 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 34, #89 of 1714 🔗

I have just downloaded the Hodkinson video from Bitchute, so I can share it directly with people rather than relying on it remaining available online. It’s brilliant. The clearest statement of the obvious truth about this situation I’ve heard.

However, is it not utterly scandalous that in a supposedly free world, a statement like this from a highly reputable expert in his field – a pathologist who works with covid testing – has to be accessed in a scrappy screengrab from a poor-quality phone call, and furthermore accessed in the nick of time before it’s censored by private companies colluding with the state?

Hodkinson should be on all the TV channels, arguing with the Whittys and Van Tams of this world in public debate. The strangulation of free speech in Red China (I’ve decided to stop calling it China – the rightful Republic of China is currently confined to Taiwan) is rightly condemned, sometimes, by a few politicians in the west when they can be bothered and when it doesn’t injure their financial interests. But there’s no moral high ground when free speech is being destroyed in exactly the same way here.

252734 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #90 of 1714 🔗

It’s a great 5 minute listen and I would urge all LS readers to do so.
Towards the end of Toby’s piece

‘The greatest hoax ever perpetuated on an unsuspecting public’

252742 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to karenovirus, 12, #91 of 1714 🔗

Just listened to it. “It’s politics playing medicine and that’s a very dangerous game.”
Brilliant!

252968 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #92 of 1714 🔗

I put it on facebook immediately as well as a link to his creds to make sure that viewers see hes not a quack. I believe Facebook hides posts like this from friends as very few comments are ever made on posts like this, good or bad. I watched the interview of the slimy Zuckerberg in front of the congressional committee. He is a total twat.

252722 karenovirus, 71, #93 of 1714 🔗

‘People won’t be able to mix with other households indoors between 2nd-23 December.’

Get real bozo, every day I see people coming and going visiting friends and family in what is supposed to be lockdown 2.
I even know of a mother and child going to visit granny in a sheltered housing complex.
Nobody is paying your stupid regulations any more notice so give it up.

How will a Court look back on a disreputable law that makes a social event legal one day but illegal the next ?

252723 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 26, #94 of 1714 🔗

A bit lewd but I hope you’ll forgive me. 🙂

252728 ▶▶ annie, replying to JamesDrebin, 5, #95 of 1714 🔗

Shout about it lewdly!

252724 karenovirus, 3, #96 of 1714 🔗

Michael Deakin disappointing in the Telegraph advising hancock how to deal with ‘anti-vaxxers’.

252726 Danny, replying to Danny, 31, #97 of 1714 🔗

Evil. The only word that comes to mind when looking at the latest news about the planned continuation of banning families meeting during the Christmas season.
They will generously consider giving us four days?
Oh and that’s not even mentioning New Year, which anyone from the Samaritans to Mind will tell you is always the worst day for isolated people taking their life.
Evil.

252735 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Danny, 3, #98 of 1714 🔗

New Year Eve ? You must be joking.

253284 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to karenovirus, 6, #99 of 1714 🔗

The start of another year alone. It wouldn’t surprise me, as an isolated person. Although Christmas is another bad time, but for more personal reasons.

252727 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #100 of 1714 🔗

Bozo and hancock have stopped referring to the vaccine as ‘The Cavalry’, perhaps someone reminded them that ‘The Cavalry’ Genocided the Injuns’

252732 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 6, #101 of 1714 🔗

More Calvary than Cavalry

252940 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to karenovirus, 3, #102 of 1714 🔗

Not the best example, given that in reality is was overwhelmingly pathogens of various kinds which “genocided the Injuns”.

252730 Cecil B, 94, #103 of 1714 🔗

Apologies for the volume of comments yesterday; been laid up in bed so was a bit bored

I have asymptomatic flu

I rang my GP, he said he’d never heard of an asymptomatic respiratory infection. Where has he been for the last 7 months? He declined my request for an ambulance and suggested a couple of paracetamol

I asked him if he knew that flu kills 20,000 grannies a year in the UK alone

He replied ‘ Not anymore it doesn’t’

Undeterred I contacted PHE. I asked if they could trace all my contacts and tell them to self isolate

They mentioned something about playing with the traffic on the M25 before the line went dead

Anyway the OH has just gone down with asymptomatic pneumonia

Best of luck with that one, I told her

252731 paologrigio, replying to paologrigio, 45, #104 of 1714 🔗

It’s pointless trying to make sense of it all. There is no logic to it. If there was, life would be back to normal. Something sinister is happening.

252810 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to paologrigio, 19, #105 of 1714 🔗

It so obvious now.Even by the governments own dodgy figures there is no rationale for continuing to lockdown and destroy the economy.The only thing that makes sense is that this is deliberate, economic vandalism to make us all dependent on the state and big business.

253728 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #106 of 1714 🔗

We could call it a ‘great’ reset. And tell everyone about it years ago.

254398 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to paologrigio, 1, #107 of 1714 🔗

Yes, just concentrate on sinister, or rather very sinister and so many things will fall into place.

252733 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 20, #108 of 1714 🔗

THREE MAIN POINTS ON THE ABOVE ARTICLES

1) As a proud Scot in favour of independence I disagree devolution is unuseful. It has shown Scots just how screwed we would be with the socialist tyrants at the helm and their socialist masters, the EU.

2) Authoritarians always need the young, hence the schooling over theast several decades creating less critical thinking and more regurgitation. This is a clear sign of communist mentality.

3) The ban on sales of fossil fuel cars is A) ridiculously stupid. B) Not because of the climate. C) READ UN AGENDA 21/2030 to realise the Orwellian double speak used to create our own prison, think its bad now, it can and will get worse. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Surprise fourth note: medical ‘pandemics’ will be the new ‘war on terror’ going forward as they get all the controlling power and lots of money, RESIST AT ALL COSTS!

252737 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 11, #109 of 1714 🔗

Note 4, for ongoing pandemic scares they won’t even have to stage bomb outrages or announce the arrest of terrorists who strangely rarely get prosecuted.

253754 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, #110 of 1714 🔗

…but often get murdered.

253047 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TheBigman, 1, #111 of 1714 🔗

I have a Scottish friend in Edinburgh, whom I love dearly. I worry about him and how he’s coping with this lockdown situation. Sturgeon seems to be relishing her role as dictator.

I hope Scotland gets independence, but being tied to the EU and Brussels diktats is not independence.

254404 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 1, #112 of 1714 🔗

After the EU, you still have to shake off Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab. Not too easy.

253740 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheBigman, 2, #113 of 1714 🔗

Surprise fourth note: medical ‘pandemics’ will be the new ‘war on terror’ …

The War against Drugs.
The War against Terror.
The War against the Virus.

If I see a pattern here, and mention it to a few people, does that make me a ‘conspiracy theorist’ ?

254405 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JohnB, 1, #114 of 1714 🔗

If people aren’t conspiracy theorists by now, then just what are they actually waiting for?

254400 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to TheBigman, 1, #115 of 1714 🔗

Resist as if your life depends on it, which it really does.

252736 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #116 of 1714 🔗

The quid pro quo for any further restrictions must be an independent public inquiry. Even the leader of the ‘opposition’, steeped in public service ‘treble peerages all round’ job creation schemes, should be able to support that.

‘The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 6 November 2020 (Week 45) was 13,418, which was 1,717 deaths higher than the five-year average and 911 deaths more than Week 44; of the deaths registered in the UK in Week 45, 2,225 deaths involved COVID-19, 627 deaths higher than in Week 44.’

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

(We can only speculate as to what those figures will eventually look like after ‘adjustments’: ‘Based on a statistical model that allows for the time taken for deaths to be registered, we estimate that the number of deaths actually occurring (rather than registered) in Week 45 in England and Wales was between 10,912 and 13,671.’)

So overall all cause mortality slightly higher than the five year average, like, say, a moderately bad influenza year except that influenza has magically disappeared and the elderly and infirm have been deprived of visitors, small businesses cut to pieces etc etc

Hmmmm………

A public inquiry….immediately…..with teeth…….

253567 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #117 of 1714 🔗

With fangs and claws!

252738 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 42, #118 of 1714 🔗

No doubt, many of my fellow sceptics used to groan and squirm with embarrassment at the oft repeated “anecdotes” on social media and in magazines and newspapers from anybody and everybody over 40 years of age about how they “grew up in a hole in the middle of the road in a family of 17 with only 1 shoe between them” but also “went out to play at 3 o’clock in the morning and didn’t come back till midnight, only had a sandwich of bread and jam to last all day, suffered hypothermia and heatstroke at the same time, swam in crocodile infested canals that were alive with the black death, typhoid and malaria amongst another dozen life threatening diseases, but “we survived to be the people we are today” before criticising all those under 25 and accusing them of being “Snowflakes”?
Would these be the self same sheep and collaborators that we see wearing face nappies and are afraid that the “wind might blow on them” and at the same time criticise the “snowflakes” for “mingling” and not doing what they are told?

SURELY NOT!!!

252739 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #119 of 1714 🔗

I would say there is a significant portion of the 60+ age group that despise the younger generations. Dishing out their “pearls” of wisdom which thankfully mostly fall on deaf ears. This has been apparent to me for some time.

253031 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #120 of 1714 🔗

It makes my mind boggle. The prevailing narrative goes: ‘the young should curtail their whole lives to protect a group of very elderly who’ve already lived their lives’

253760 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #121 of 1714 🔗

Yep, there’s been a program to separate people by generation, as has already been tried via sex and race. It’s the old ‘Divide and Rule’ strategy.

252740 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #122 of 1714 🔗

You’ve hit the nail on the head there FP. It’s like the people I encounter agreeing with me that it’s all a load of nonsense, as they stand there in their face apparel.

252890 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #123 of 1714 🔗

I am 71 and missus is in late 60’s All the young people we encounter are usually polite ‘ friendly and hard working, particularly if they work in hospitality with long hours so we all aren’t ‘ outside ‘ toilet and tin baths etc. Each generation has it’s own battles to fight.

253291 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to David Grimbleby, 9, #124 of 1714 🔗

I’m in my 60s and while I remember some hardship when I was younger, I do not envy what younger people have to deal with now. There certainly isn’t the feeling of a world full of opportunity right now. And I don’t expect the young to sacrifice anything for me.

253535 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to David Grimbleby, 4, #125 of 1714 🔗

Fortunately, it seems to have started, albeit in a very small way. The students woke up in their concentration camp, looked out the windows, took one look at the anti-climb fencing around their accommodation put there by their own university, designed to get them used to being fenced in, and they weren’t having any of it.

They ripped it down within an hour. Good. It’s a small beginning, but all journeys start with a first step. Perhaps one day we will look back and read the stories of the British Resistance, how twenty-year-olds cycled around the roads on their bikes to destroy the evil scientists, using their phones to communicate instead of Enigma machines.

Perhaps there will be museums built one day to commemorate their bravery, like the plaque on the Resistance Museum at the Menin Gate, so that they, in their turn, can “Carve Their Names with Pride”.

253766 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RichardJames, 3, #126 of 1714 🔗

An hour, eh ? That’s Mancs for you.

In the Pool, it would have been down in 5 minutes, dismantled in 10, and on ebay within 15.

253762 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to David Grimbleby, 4, #127 of 1714 🔗

At my grandmother’s house, we had to get our water from the public well …

However …

Each generation has it’s own battles to fight.

People have battles to fight. Anyone dividing us by generation is one of the bad guys.

253920 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to David Grimbleby, 3, #128 of 1714 🔗

Agreed, I’m 72 next month.

254409 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to David Grimbleby, #129 of 1714 🔗

Fingerache Phil seems to be trying to do a little bit of divide and rule himself, with his rather silly post. And quite possibly there is a hint of 77th Brigade about him.

253758 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #130 of 1714 🔗

I criticize a load of people under 25 for being snowflakes, but by no means all of them.

252741 Tuppence Worth, replying to Tuppence Worth, 5, #131 of 1714 🔗

I suspect “Tier 4” will require people to take three helium filled ballons out whenever they have to leave home.These will state (in triplicate) your reason(s) for leaving home.

252751 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tuppence Worth, 7, #132 of 1714 🔗

Whereupon “talking in a squeaky voice” will become another dreaded covid symptom.

252771 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Tuppence Worth, 6, #133 of 1714 🔗

It is very tempting to start a silly rumour online about some rule like this and see how far it goes and if people start following it. I’m sure there is a significant % who would without question if they believe it was genuine.

253768 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dpj, 2, #134 of 1714 🔗

I vote for ‘Sticking a carrot up your arse prevents covid’.

252743 Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 7, #135 of 1714 🔗

Morning All

I have had another “discussion” this time on a private facebook forum around the vaccine. There are only about 10 of us. The two others in this discussion were MP, who is a Liverpudlian who is not especially bright but is basically a sceptic on COVID, woke etc, and JC who is about 35 and basically is a real smart a$$ who generally refuses to change his mind on anything. He is clearly buying the MSM line.The topic was vaccines and here is how it has gone so far. Sorry it’s quite long but a few of JC’s comments make me scratch my head. I’ve put these in bold

MP
So, apparently you’ll not be allowed to go abroad unless you’ve had this vaccine. I find that quite worrying – not because of my holiday next year – because it should be a personal choice.
Slippery slope time.
JC
It is a personal choice. Its also the choice of the country not to let mental conspiracy theorists in.
Me:
JC, what does being opposed to a mandatory vaccine have to do with conspiracy theorists?
JC
Anti-vaxers are conspiracy theorists and complete nutters. Nobody on here said anything about it being mandatory.
Me:
Matt Hancock refused to rule out mandatory vaccinations in an interview the other day. So he didn’t say it would be mandatory, but he refused to confirm that it wouldn’t. Refusing to take a vaccine that has been rushed through with inadequate testing / trials doesn’t make you an anti vaxer. “Anti vaxers are conspiracy theorists and complete nutters” is completely nonsensical
MP
I’m a “nutter”….. I beg your pardon, I just don’t like being a person who is tolde what to do…. Great input that nutter shout, JC.
JC
1) Its currently illegal and to make vaccinations compulsory and hasnt been suggested by anyone of note
2) Rushing through the vaccine without due process also hasnt been suggested by anyone of note. In fact everyone I’ve seen has been at pains to make clear that all safeguarding needs to be followed.
As such it will be a non mandatory, rigorously tested vaccine. And anyone refusing to take it deserves to have certain freedoms (e.g freedom to travel) taken away if the country they plan on doing chooses to go down that route.
MP
The mad left brigade. Apparently it’s sound for DJ to snort coke, but it’s diabolical that Tiger wasn’t banned for taking “legal” painkillers after having his back fused!
JC
If they propose to rush it through, or make it 100% compulsory then its time to be concerned. To that extent I agree with you. But thats not the situation. Yet.
MP
Listen, if it does become compulsory then I guess we’ll have to.
I’m not gonna’ sit here on an iphone and tell you they aren’t already tracking people.
My point is – if you’re healthy then why should we be told that you have to have this vaccine.
JC
The reason why its sensible for healthy people to have a vaccine is because then they can’t get the virus (or are massively less likely to), and therefore they won’t be able to pass it onto vulnerable people. Its not really about protecting yourself.
MP
I get that, JC. I’m not a massive believer in this virus that started in a lab in China?
JC
Tell that to my Aunty who is currently in hospital with it.
JC
She’s over the worst and no longer a concern, but a week on a ventilator is pretty major stuff to be not believed in.
MP
I’m sorry to hear that, JC. But what do we know about this virus. We all can look back at Spanish Flu and it was real.
Me:
It has been reported that a 90% effective vaccine could be available this year. Are you saying JC that you and your family would have the vaccine, on the basis that it would protect other vulnerable people?

So again we have someone who is supposedly educated, coming up with the typical “try telling that to my Auntie” line, and the “conspiracy theorist” pejorative. I can’t help myself in arguing back with him but as with most arguments on COVID, there seems to be no hope in trying to shift people like this. No doubt he will retort to my last comment with some smart alec answer. I have a bunch of vaccine articles ready, from which to pick out facts but I doubt that will make any difference.

Anyone have any views on what they would do here? More out of curiosity to be honest. I’m past the point of getting agitated about it

252765 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sceptic in SA, 7, #136 of 1714 🔗

The Pfizer results, to my knowledge, said nothing about reducing infectiousness. I think all that was measured was the effect on the vaccinated person, not on others.

252791 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Julian, 2, #137 of 1714 🔗

Thanks. I also found this link (can’t remember how) which spells out some good facts

https://www.politicalite.com/opinion/niall-mccrae-can-we-challenge-the-official-covid-vaccination-narrative/

252908 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Julian, 3, #138 of 1714 🔗

I agree. I have heard a lot of people say “stops people from getting it”. I don’t believe it does.

254361 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 1, #139 of 1714 🔗

Yes, they said something not too detailed about it reducing the severity of so called Covid-19, but not preventing the infection. So it seems they are producing the fabled asymptomatic carriers at last. Now that sounds great doesn’t it and the bottom line is, it doesn’t work so well at preventing illness. I would expect though that it probably has a much more sinister purpose, one which they really wouldn’t want us to know anything about.

252841 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Sceptic in SA, 13, #140 of 1714 🔗

I suggest reading ‘The True Believer’ by Eric Hoffer. A brilliant, provocative and original enquiry into the nature of mass movements and cult behaviour. Hoffer was self-educated and lived the life of a drifter in the 1930s which is intriguing in itself.

He explains how the more facts you produce the more entrenched the believer comes trying to defend their emotionally based opinion.

Today I realise that the leader of the cult has just performed a series of actions which I cannot fathom. Someone please help me out

  1. he gets Covid
  2. he recovers
  3. he forms antibodies and feels fitter than a butcher’s dog
  4. he is in same room as someone who tests positive for C19
  5. he is contacted by T & T and decides he must isolate for 14 days
  6. he then gets a test which is negative
  7. he still has to isolate

What am I missing?
Logic suggests that we must in future test ourselves daily before leaving the house because I assume he thinks he might become ill one day? Or is he not sure of the test being correct?

252946 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Marialta, 3, #141 of 1714 🔗

If Boris were exempt from self-isolation this time (on the grounds that he’s already had Covid) wouldn’t that create a dangerous perverse incentive for the population at large?

253319 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to GCarty80, 1, #142 of 1714 🔗

Yes I see that. But he tested negative, so why is he isolating?

253587 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 5, #143 of 1714 🔗

dePiffle is a lying, bullshitting skiver …..

254417 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Marialta, #144 of 1714 🔗

Boris knows the tests are useless so is he just being cautious?

253585 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 4, #145 of 1714 🔗

You’re missing the fact that dePiffle is a lying bullshitting skiver.

He is surently supposed to be rejigging his Cabinet, sorting our the Brexit fiasco and finding us a way out of mockdown.

Cue disappearance for two weeks till mockdown decision is unavoidable.

253592 ▶▶▶ ragatony, replying to Marialta, 2, #146 of 1714 🔗

I reckon you are missing the obvious that the lying bastard
never had cv19 in the first place.
See FBEL for a good read on this subject.

254420 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ragatony, 1, #147 of 1714 🔗

I’ll buy all that and said it at the time.

Nowadays I’m not sure anyone’s ever had Covid-19. No virus has ever isolated and the PCR test totally unfit for purpose. How could anyone tell it is not just seasonal flu that has been very expensively rebranded.

253169 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #148 of 1714 🔗

You can go to Malcolm McKendrick’s page – there is currently a discussion about the vaccine/AV and Labour’s trying to stop debate.

253572 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sceptic in SA, #149 of 1714 🔗

I’d ignore him. Life’s too short.

253774 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sceptic in SA, #150 of 1714 🔗

Bit of a cunt JC, eh ?

252744 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #151 of 1714 🔗

Time to admit.This is unstoppable.It is aerosol spread.Masks,SD, nothing stops it. Explains the complete world-wide failure to stop this virus.(and they don’t include breathing as possible spreading virus)

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30739-6/fulltext

Viable SARS-CoV-2 in the air of a hospital room with COVID-19 patients

“Viable (infectious) SARS-CoV-2 was present in aerosols within the hospital room of COVID -19 patients.
Airborne virus was detected in the absence of healthcare aerosol-generating procedures.
The virus strain detected in the aerosols matched with the virus strain isolated from a patient with acute COVID-19
Unlike previous studies, we have demonstrated that the virus in aerosols can be viable, and this suggests that there is an inhalation risk for acquiring COVID-19 within the vicinity of people who emit the virus through expirations including coughs, sneezes, and speaking.

252812 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to swedenborg, 1, #152 of 1714 🔗

try walking past a person in the street who is smoking and not get a whiff of smoke that moments before was in someone’s mouth. I always cough and don’t cover my mouth. I was challenged about this pre covid. I replied. I don’t want to have on my hands what I have just breathed in.

253780 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to crimsonpirate, #153 of 1714 🔗

Not all the smoke would have been in the smoker’s mouth. Just some of it.

(We’re not PHE nor Handcock, we need to get our facts right !).

252746 TJN, replying to TJN, 34, #154 of 1714 🔗

Yesterday I finally finished watching that meeting (nearly 4 hours, and I only have so many covid hours each day) between Mike Yeadon, Clare Craig, and the German lawyer and associates who are planning the mass legal action. Much of the technical material will be familiar to most people on this site.

But what struck me most was the steely determination of that German lawyer. He’s on a mission. No outpourings of anger or emotion here; just forensic, persistent and coldblooded analysis. Were I one of the perpetrators of this crime I’d be very concerned.

The last 20 minutes or so was all in German, which is Greek to me, so I don’t know if I missed anything here.

252764 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to TJN, 24, #155 of 1714 🔗

I’m watching it now, and it’s absolutely outstanding. Füllmich in particular. His is the kind of voice we need.

One interesting point made in German towards the end is about asymptomatic individuals testing positive and being regarded as infectious. The PCR test is detecting virus DNA but the virus, in those individuals, is not even sufficient in quantity to infect the person in whose throat it is sitting. How could anyone contend that it could be sufficient to infect someone else?

252748 CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #156 of 1714 🔗

Please remember the deadline tonight (11.59pm) for submitting evidence to the House of Lords Committee. The questions they ask cover EVERYTHING we have issue with. I have faith that the upper house is where sense will eventually prevail. The majority of life peers care very deeply about the lives of the British people and because their jobs are not threatened by a hysterical electorate, they tend to be more interested in facts than spin.

Opinion is less important than evidence. Present it with opinion by all means, but the important stuff is evidence. Anything you can find. Send any facts, figures, links, videos, interviews… (Send multiple links to back up the most critical facts where you can find them) bombard them with EVIDENCE. It will all be heard!

https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/258/constitutional-implications-of-covid19/?fbclid=IwAR1KieLPIqDcOt4W89bRCnrPWwm_IDXAaZc-6rhAatzfeilIoKXIYnvQurs

252749 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 158, #157 of 1714 🔗

This from The Sun today – ‘But they [ministers] and medics fear a full week of rules being relaxed would “normalise” mixing and want to cap it at a matter of days.’

———————————

‘Normalise’ mixing. So they now want to make it abnormal to see those whom you love, those whom you have spent your life with, those who gave birth to you and brought you up with care and compassion. These ministers and scientists have totally lost their minds.

This is pure evil. There are no two ways about it. Those who agree with these deeply cruel measures and follow the rules, even just for fear of a fine, are complicit in this horrendous act of torment. It is not noble to refuse to see those you love right now; in fact, it is deeply cruel.

I find it interesting that the government, and the public, are just accepting post-Dec 2nd restrictions as a given. There’s no real, empirical reference to data or analysis, or more importantly whether there can be any end to this torturous purgatory, it’s just ‘We’re going back into tiers.’ It really is just a continuation of lockdown by any other name. And 5 days at Christmas! Gosh, how GENEROUS! I notice that this would cut out the new year period, which is also a time for celebration. Are we seriously expected to lap this up gratefully? Thank you so much, daddy government, for allowing me to see my own family! I want to scream. Can’t people see how ludicrous this is? Waiting for government permission to LOVE? Well, I suppose the fact that the British public crashed the Aldi website because they wanted a stuffed carrot toy shows the level of intelligence we are dealing with here.

I never thought I would ever witness such wickedness from the government in my lifetime. I’m only 22 and it’s already happened. I feel like I’ve aged about 30 years in this year alone. Every day I feel like I’m being forced to bang my head against a wall to get rid of a headache.

I know this will end, and I know history will be unkind to those who have done this, and I know we will win, but by God are the government making our lives hell while we get there.

252752 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Poppy, 30, #158 of 1714 🔗

Beautifully and powerfully written. Please put your skills to work and submit evidence to the House of Lords committee (see my link below).

252756 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 25, #159 of 1714 🔗

Well said Polly, especially this:

This is pure evil. There are no two ways about it. Those who agree with these deeply cruel measures and follow the rules, even just for fear of a fine, are complicit in this horrendous act of torment. It is not noble to refuse to see those you love right now; in fact, it is deeply cruel.

Not only is it cruel but as I said in these comments yesterday, the cynic in me also thinks that many people are using this virus as an excuse not to see people or to let friendships die. I know someone who didn’t want to meet me citing the rules but was happy to meet with other people. I’ve had enough of many people and am reaching the point where I will be happy to let them go – thanks for the memories and all that.

252774 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #160 of 1714 🔗

Edit needed… she is “Poppy” not “Polly”

252775 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #161 of 1714 🔗

AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!! Apologies!

252781 ▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #162 of 1714 🔗

I don’t mind! Don’t worry about it 😊

252795 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 3, #163 of 1714 🔗

Cheers!!! You share the same name as my sister 🙂 👍

252883 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #164 of 1714 🔗

My dog is called Poppy!!!

252780 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 31, #165 of 1714 🔗

Totally agree. I really don’t like how the characteristic of being anti-social, cancelling plans with friends to veg out alone in front of the TV, etc etc has now become a smug virtue because of lockdown.

252794 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 24, #166 of 1714 🔗

I’m introverted and at most I’m not fond of big social gatherings. But by God, I will try and make an effort with meeting up with people one to one or in small groups. It’s sad when its all one sided with me doing all the work.

252761 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Poppy, 15, #167 of 1714 🔗

I ave just finished my ‘Covid’ report and sent ity to my MP with a plea to end all attempts to control this virus with legislation. Will he read it? will he take any notice? but you have to keep trying and if I can find the right contact details I will send it to others.
I have said this before so sorry for repeating myself but the restriction on personal liberties by Statutory Instrument as we have endured in 2020 is unprecedented in my lifetime. This restriction on freedoms is an anathema to ‘British Values’ and the concept of the UK as the mother of the free’. Whether or not you consider that the situation in the Spring was an emergency justifying such restrictions, there can be little doubt that no such emergency exists at the moment and therefore no justification for legislation.

One of the main tasks of Parliament is to draft and pass laws in the best traditions and practice of British life . All our MPs should be pressed to consider this duty carefully and to think carefully what they are doing and not just vote for what their party whips tell them.
So please do write to your MP.

252783 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Steve Martindale, 21, #168 of 1714 🔗

Believe it or not, I did write to my MP, and she never replied! She’s a Labour MP though and said on her Twitter that she supported the party’s position of endless national lockdown. Total madness that the party meant to represent workers is needlessly destroying thousands of jobs.

252813 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Poppy, 19, #169 of 1714 🔗

The only workers Labour represent are those based in Public Sector Unions.

252851 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nottingham69, 8, #170 of 1714 🔗

Like those who work at the nearby County Hall where the very large car park is still empty. Front line workers are all at work though.

253854 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 2, #171 of 1714 🔗

Hadn’t thought of that – I shall check our council”s similarly massive car park tomorrow and report back.

252859 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Poppy, 10, #172 of 1714 🔗

Poppy please submit your thoughts and evidence to the House of Lords select committee. They will read everything.

252999 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Poppy, 18, #173 of 1714 🔗

I wonder if MPs are being bribed or blackmailed. All I remember prior to 2020 was politicians banging on and on about the economy. How the economy needs protecting and investing in etc..

And now, politicians are causing the destruction of the economy. I don’t understand it. Is it the Great Reset?

253019 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 9, #174 of 1714 🔗

wonder if MPs are being bribed or blackmailed

No my MP is very ambitious – it is all about himself and nothing about constituents. He has never voted NO, in the hope that he would get a promotion to senior position in Government or become a Minister

253506 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Victoria, 2, #175 of 1714 🔗

Sounds like my MP!

253387 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Ben, 4, #176 of 1714 🔗

Yup. Check out Computing Forever on YouTube.
Arnie.

253857 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, 3, #177 of 1714 🔗

I wonder if MPs are being bribed or blackmailed.

Or simply threatened.

252827 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #178 of 1714 🔗

Steve , your comments about the SI of 2020 that seems to allow the Govt to do anything without scrutiny reminds me of the year 1933 as described in the Vol 1 of prof Richard Evans’ history of Germany . In that year the Nazi Enabling Act was pushed through the Reichstag and it allowed the Nazis to do whatever they liked , to whomever and, basically. forever- Govt by decree not by any democratic consent. Only the complete destruction of Germany in 1945 brought it to an end -although arguably it was resuscitated in East Germany until 1990.
As is often said , a failure to learn from history means having to repeat it.
Will we have to go through a similar period of complete economic and social destruction before democracy and sensible government return? .
I fear so.

252857 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #179 of 1714 🔗

Please send it to the House of Lords committee that is actively asking for evidence! They will read everything. Their public duty. Not frightened by the hysterical electorate. Use them! Deadline for submissions is tonight! Send links to factual evidence.

252992 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #180 of 1714 🔗

Seeing your post has just inspired me to write again to Mr Cox.

This time I’ve said that it won’t just be the perpetrators of this crime who eventually will be called to account. It will be all those MPs whose job it was to hold the government to account, to ask questions, to protect the liberties and livelihoods of their constituents – but who failed to do so. They too will be viewed as guilty at the bar of history.

252762 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Poppy, 2, #181 of 1714 🔗

Thank you Poppy – superbly put.

252777 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Poppy, 26, #182 of 1714 🔗

It is ludicrous, yes, absolutely. And it is obscene.

‘I know this will end, and I know history will be unkind to those who have done this, and I know we will win’.

Best wishes to everyone this Wednesday. We are the resistance. There is no getting rid of us.

252805 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 10, #183 of 1714 🔗

Happy Wednesday to the Resistance.
Not only is there no getting rid of us: we can’t give way even if ( per impossibile ) we try, because there is no way we could ever believe their lies.
Alethea, if you want fo come to us for Christmas you would be most heartily welcome.

253106 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 7, #184 of 1714 🔗

Gosh, Annie, that is a lovely thing for you to say. Thank you. You’ve really made my day.

Indeed my Christmas is looking bleak: literally everyone I know, family and friends, regards me as a potential vector of disease. Some of them will see me on my own, but won’t let me come at Christmas because of the presence of elderly family members whom I might infect. I continue to hope that some reasonable compromise may become possible, while endeavouring also not to judge them too meanly on the basis of my hurt feelings. Your kindness certainly cheers me up while I engage, all too patchily, with this not inconsiderable philosophical challenge.

252786 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 8, #185 of 1714 🔗

I agree, they never want this to end.

252811 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Poppy, 9, #186 of 1714 🔗

they now want to make it abnormal to see those whom you love

They already have, in the minds of most people, apparently. 🙁

252838 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Poppy, 12, #187 of 1714 🔗

Thanks, Poppy, A copy of this is going to my MP.
Do not forget how complicit the church is in all this.
Where is the outcry about the loss of Nine Lessons and Carols? A service which is seen and appreciated by a significant proportion of the planet. What about performances of the Messiah’?
I suppose Midnight Mass might take place with disgusting face-nappies, anti-social distancing and communion in one kind only.
The only part of one sentence I disagree with is that you say ‘the government are making our lives hell’. I think and hope that this is purgatory; hell (like heaven) is a final destination. But I do know what you mean.

253610 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stephanos, #188 of 1714 🔗

Why this is Hell, nor am I out of it.

252902 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Poppy, 11, #189 of 1714 🔗

One day you will wear a ‘t’ shirt emblazoned with the words

‘I fought in the résistance. What did you do?’

253454 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cecil B, 4, #190 of 1714 🔗

If the T-Shirt makers on this site make a sweatshirt/hoodie with that on it (with reference to the “COVID Scam Wars”), I’ll definitely buy a couple!

252974 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 23, #191 of 1714 🔗

The Government is waging military grade psychological warfare on us. BY THE BOOK

They must get us all “jabbed”, tracked and contact traced. Locked-down until we get official approval to be released.

Then they want to control where we travel, when we travel, how we travel. They want to control who we meet, they want to know why we meet, they want to know where we meet others. They want to control what we do when we meet others.
I could go on but I won’t it’s too demoralising.
EVIL bastards.

252985 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Poppy, 25, #192 of 1714 🔗

A replay of the 2008/9 banking crisis and the Swine Flu Scamdemic, but a thousand times worse

Humans are being held to ransom by the banks, the tech industries, Pharma, Bill Gates and the WEF. That’s it

This is not about health at all. This is about money and control

253869 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, 2, #193 of 1714 🔗

Another ‘conspiracy theorist’ comes out. Welcome to the Light Side, Jamie. 🙂

254353 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, #194 of 1714 🔗

I wish it was a conspiracy. Saw so many shops, cafes, bars, restaurants closed and empty in my town. Some will never reopen again. Such a waste

The destruction is shocking

253119 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Poppy, 25, #195 of 1714 🔗

The quickest way out of this madness is mass disobedience. Plod cannot police 70million people. We cannot trust the politicians or the media (who are complicit and faithfully parroting the government propaganda) to change direction. They would have to accept a new direction if the public just ignored the ‘rules’.

253458 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to flyingjohn, 8, #196 of 1714 🔗

We can’t trust the police, either!

They have utterly, utterly lost any right to be respected (at all) or obeyed on this subject.

253616 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RichardJames, #197 of 1714 🔗
254373 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #198 of 1714 🔗

Like the NHS is mainly a Covid only outfit, the police are now really there as the government Covid restriction enforcers. One or two good eggs may still be left, but not enough to make a decent omelette and they won’t make a jot difference when the big crunch comes and it is coming very soon.

253382 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Poppy, 12, #199 of 1714 🔗

Poppy,
Well said.
This will unfortunately get worse before it gets better. The establishment are very afraid of us, they will divide and intimidate us as much as they possibly can. Right now they have two choices, 1) Back down, or 2) Double down.

Either way they are becoming more exposed every day.

BUT please don’t forget how dangerous a cornered animal will be.

Keep Battering On folks. Win or die. Easy choice.

Arnie.

253569 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Poppy, 3, #200 of 1714 🔗

Hi Poppy. Great words, articulately put. Would you be open to a brief interview for our podcast? Only over Zoom/Skype. Whatever/whenever suits you. If not no worries! If you are interested, drop us an email therealnormalpodcast(at)gmail(dot)com

Stay safe and strong, Lord R!

253993 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #201 of 1714 🔗

Thank you Lord R, I am very flattered and your podcast is fantastic, but I’m afraid I will have to turn down your offer as I’d like to remain anonymous (for now, at least!) 😊

254225 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Poppy, #202 of 1714 🔗

You do give us some hope for the future Poppy – you write so eloquently and are completely on point. I hope you are able to put your talents to good use whatever the future holds. We’ll certainly all be rooting for you anyway.

254271 ▶▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Poppy, #203 of 1714 🔗

Hi Poppy. No worries! When the time is right drop us a line. All the best, Lord R!

253591 ▶▶ Allen, replying to Poppy, 4, #204 of 1714 🔗

Great comment- people like you are needed- stay strong even amidst the madness.

Not complying with this lunacy gives you strength.

253844 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Poppy, 4, #205 of 1714 🔗

I never thought I would ever witness such wickedness from the government in my lifetime. I’m only 22 and it’s already happened.

Governments, by their very nature, tend towards wickedness. But although it probably doesn’t feel like it right now, realising this at 22, rather than 42/62/82, is a big gift.

254394 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JohnB, #206 of 1714 🔗

I’m very very much older than you and I’ve seen wicked UK governments before, but never one, that has acted so maliciously as Johnson’s in this war by government against its own people. Most people remain utterly clueless, so it’s great to see someone young, who has got a very good grasp of what’s going on.

As Arnie says in his post above, it is now a case of “win or die” and of course, the young have by far the most to lose.

252753 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 16, #207 of 1714 🔗

In the Coivd Ward artice, I don’t like the “ While he waited overnight, a drunk man was admitted at 2am from A&E, without being tested for covid, although he was coughing and refusing to wear a mask. “. What has the muzzle got to do with anything? This gives support to the maskers.

252758 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to arfurmo, 7, #208 of 1714 🔗

How could Stephen know whether the inebriated man had been tested or not? Granted the results would not have been back immediately but that does not mean a swab was not taken. I am uneasy about the blame being apportioned to particular individuals when we are told that ‘infections’ are rife in hospital. I am so sorry for Stephen’s plight but I think caution is warranted when discussing such situations.

252785 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to arfurmo, 15, #209 of 1714 🔗

It’s yet another article that smacks of classism. I don’t know why on earth people continue to think that the virus gives a damn how posh you are. The working classes are the ones who’ve kept this country going – because they’ve been y’know…working. No second homes in the country to go to either. No nannies to help out. They may have suffered more but they’ll have the last laugh now they’re all immune.

252801 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 11, #210 of 1714 🔗

Quite right. Haven’t we all noticed how the ordinary working people are the ones who take the most robust attitude towards all this bollox?
I take my hat off to them.

252903 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to annie, 2, #211 of 1714 🔗

All the blokes coming here, mostly young to do jobs have been sceptical and humorous about this fiasco. Some even going on demos and watching UK Column..

252880 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #212 of 1714 🔗

Well my butler left at the start of first lockdown. And we are now having to make our own supper as cook no longer wants to live with us. Not safe you see. Takes me ages to get dressed in the morning without Tim. Morning coffee on the terrace is now spent with just my good lady and our lovely dog. What is the world coming to. Still we have some working men coming today to lay a new carpet, hope they are clean?

253877 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #213 of 1714 🔗

I know someone who doesn’t like to shop at Aldi “because they don’t know how to distance there.” Claimed it was better to shop at Sainsburys because they know how to distance. Me, I can’t go in a shop since I can barely keep myself from vomiting when I see someone in a mask.

253619 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #214 of 1714 🔗

I wasn’t comfortble with that article. It had a touch of the BBC about it.

252754 Antonedes, replying to Antonedes, 39, #215 of 1714 🔗

Campaign: Lifetime ban on Hancock from all pubs, restaurants, cafes and non essential shops!

253954 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Antonedes, 1, #216 of 1714 🔗

eternal ban from life would be more fitting

252755 CGL, replying to CGL, 6, #217 of 1714 🔗

https://www.facebook.com/100011825731138/posts/911119909292192/

Matt Hancock lying – well he is talking after all

252789 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to CGL, 1, #218 of 1714 🔗

Not viewable?

253026 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, #219 of 1714 🔗

https://www.facebook.com/DawnButlerBrent/videos/1087867668335439/

Maybe this one will work?
It’s on Dawn Butlers fb page

253625 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 1, #220 of 1714 🔗

So, the Secretary of State “inadvertently misled” her? This 17th century English does beat about the bush!

Wankock’s arrogant demeanour is quite breathtaking. He actually looks slightly drunk.

252759 Censored Dog, 3, #221 of 1714 🔗

Here is a good one for quotation corner:

‘Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.’ Lord Acton

252766 Ben, replying to Ben, 18, #222 of 1714 🔗

The worst attack on civil liberties in UK history. Defined by cruelty.

This will cause suicides and I wonder if this is what the Government and those psychopaths at SAGE actually want.

..Psychologically torture people long enough so that they accept the vaccines and surveillance..

Have Covid restrictions simply been a nine months’ long arm twist designed to guarantee Bill Gates and Co the returns on their investments?

Is it really all about shareholders?

252797 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 13, #223 of 1714 🔗

No it’s about Zero Carbon now.The vaccine will lead to a health/digital passport.The ban on mixing and socialising stops people talking and organising.Its also about the government and its cronies looting the public purse before the inevitable collapse of Sterling and the introduction of a digital currency.

252856 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #224 of 1714 🔗

Got a gas boiler?
“All 25 million of them have got to go by 2028”
Gov Minister (?) BBC R4 Today Programme this morning.

252872 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to karenovirus, 5, #225 of 1714 🔗

I have an oil boiler as there is no gas where I live. I also burn wood in my stove. But I do have solar PV also and my meter runs backwards in the summer thus providing me credit for the winter. No Smart meter as the signal is weak. They haven’t thought about rural areas as usual, it is all about cities. A bit like this so called pandemic.

252887 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to William Hand, 5, #226 of 1714 🔗

Rural areas will be rewilded. We won’t be allowed to live here any more. That’s why they don’t care about them.

253063 ▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to William Hand, 3, #227 of 1714 🔗

Same here, Oil boiler (No Gas), wood burner, iffy electric supply but Solar PV. Think I may need a battery backup. Wouldn’t have a “Smart” meter but as you say no mobile signal anyway.

253809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to FenTyger, #228 of 1714 🔗

Cannot have a smart meter as it is behind 16th cellar walls.

254425 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Silke David, #229 of 1714 🔗

I won’t have a smart meter, up to now the electricity supply outfits have only asked me once and didn’t seem too bothered when I said no thanks.

253295 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to William Hand, 2, #230 of 1714 🔗

Exactly the same for us & don’t forget the extra miles we drive because of tge distances between towns etc. Looks like going off-grid is coming ever closer.

253055 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #231 of 1714 🔗

Everybody loses, except the multi-billionaires

Even the super rich, the millionaires and the middle classes are in the firing line. This is unprecedented

This new life they’re offering is not worth living

252767 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #232 of 1714 🔗

Would the Vaccine Damage Court accept Freedom of Information requests, or would that information not be made available?

253966 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, #233 of 1714 🔗

Looks like it:

https://fullfact.org/online/vaccine-damage-fund/

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) confirmed to us that the FOI was real, and had been made in 2017. An FOI tracking site, WhatDoTheyKnow , has noted that a request for the same data up until May 2019 was filed in May by the same person. The DWP’s response states that up until May 2019 £74,690,000 has been paid out from the fund, and 941 claims have been successful .

Even the bullshitters at FullFact don’t deny it.

252769 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #234 of 1714 🔗

Woke gobbeldygook.
BBC R4 07.57 this morning.
Sir Geoff Hurst, formerly English footballer of note, was discussing brain injuries caused caused by heading the ball and suggesting it might banned at junior level.

” this would give parents, sorry, families and essential care providers . . .”

Seems Parents are now on the naughty step.

252778 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to karenovirus, 5, #235 of 1714 🔗

Where I grew up someone stupid was often called a “Head the Ball”.

252792 ▶▶ IanE, replying to karenovirus, 8, #236 of 1714 🔗

Good grief. Even if I wished to, I would not be able to keep up with the language stasi – I mean, I still don’t understand why ‘of colour’ is OK, but ‘coloured’ is evil!

252804 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to IanE, 6, #237 of 1714 🔗

That’s flummoxed me also.

252844 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to IanE, 2, #238 of 1714 🔗

It is the way it is unfortunately. I have epilepsy (sort of/sort of not – long story!). It is apparently inappropriate to use the term “epileptic” – the “correct” term is “person with epilepsy” 🙁

252886 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #239 of 1714 🔗

Ok, got it. Pie of steak. Car of Motor. Rain of heaviness… I’mgetting good at this!

253097 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to IanE, 2, #240 of 1714 🔗

I may be wrong, but I believe it’s because ‘coloured’ is a reminder of segregation in the USA.

252799 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #241 of 1714 🔗

Sociologists no longer use the word ‘mother’.
They are ‘primary caregivers’.

253910 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 3, #242 of 1714 🔗

I no longer use the word ‘sociologist’.
They are ‘fuckwits’.

252815 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to karenovirus, 3, #243 of 1714 🔗

England will get even worse at football. In 50 years time, teams from other less woke countries will show up doing their mystical head tricks that nobody here will understand.

253014 ▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 2, #244 of 1714 🔗

FFS
If anyone dares call Mr CGL my partner – they get short shrift.
We are married – he is my husband, not my partner.

252773 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 22, #245 of 1714 🔗

https://twitter.com/SHomburg/status/1328601016363864065

“Switzerland’s second C-19 wave is phasing out.
This time, the government ignored false predictions of its Swiss National C-19 task force and refused to impose a lockdown 2,only some foolish cantons took the measure.
Well done!”

252776 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to swedenborg, 13, #246 of 1714 🔗

All the “second wave” (sic) graphs are the same shape, same as all the first wave graphs were the same shape, regardless of lockdown. All that affects the shape of these graphs is how governments choose to twist the figures. Therefore, they don’t actually care about serious illness or deaths, or even about health services being overwhelmed. So why don’t they twist the figures to show actual exponential growth? Because nobody would believe them? Because film of bodies piling up in the streets is difficult to come by? Or because it’s more useful to them to have the population bubbling along in a constant low-grade state of hope-versus-fear, ever more reliant on the government spouting instructions at them?

253058 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #247 of 1714 🔗

It’s so bizarre and surreal. But I don’t know anyone who’s had Covid since this charade began

254429 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #248 of 1714 🔗

They could re-enact those great videos that came out of China, where healthy young people drop down dead of Covid-19, in a railway station or somewhere equally convivial. They could have people collapsing in Euston or similar. It might just bring some of us sceptics to heel, while giving out of work actors a bob or two.

252843 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to swedenborg, 2, #249 of 1714 🔗

Are there any stats on the lockdown cantons vs non?

252878 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan, 7, #250 of 1714 🔗

I am not aware of any such studies.However masks has been mandatory in some cantons and there is no difference in cases between masked cantons and non masked cantons.

252779 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 30, #251 of 1714 🔗

I have only heard of two people who have died of Covid in the latest ‘wave’. One was the husband of a hospital cleaner and the other a woman who caught it whilst in Doncaster Royal Infirmary for a knee replacement. My nephew, the husband of a nurse, has been quite ill with it; his wife less so.
Hospitals are the real problem here. The masks and ‘social distancing’ and all the rest of the nonsense are designed to cover that up. Test and Trace is pointless. Closing shops, pubs and gyms is pointless. The source of infection is hospitals. All resources and logistical skills need to be focused on that.
Testing people on admission to hospital must, therefore, be part of that. Non emergency cases should wait until they are clear and emergency cases should be in a separate area or building. I don’t see the logic of anyone refusing a test on admission to hospital, which must be part of the answer.
In the long term, there needs to be a serious overhaul of protocols for controlling infection in hospitals and preventing hospital based infection from going out into the community. There also needs to be an study of the health of NHS staff and a drive to reduce obesity. If some of that is down to shift patterns and lack of access to healthy food at work, that should be addressed. Gyms should be provided in hospitals and their use encouraged, along with dietary education which, frankly, trained health workers shouldn’t need. Ultimately, it should be made clear that obesity and smoking are not acceptable in NHS professionals.

252790 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Caroline Watson, 14, #252 of 1714 🔗

Probably true – but the arrogant and incompetent NHS will never admit its failings and the MSM and public for whom the NHS is a religion (something foreigners just cannot understand) would let it literally get away with murder

. I wonder if a lot of this crap that we have had to put up with is there just to save the NHS’s face – truth will out eventually – unfortunately the muggles may refuse to believe it (as some of my older Russian relatives still believe in communism)

252798 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Caroline Watson, 16, #253 of 1714 🔗

We need medical professionals to stand up and tell the true, en mass.

The NHS as the largest employer in The UK simply could not hide if enough people came out together and told the truth.

I know people have been told that they face sanctions if they speak out, what is more important letting people die because people are keeping quiet or putting a stop to this?

252806 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #254 of 1714 🔗

I think that is the best analysis I have read on this great site. The main problem is hospitals but by no means all of them. Some get it right, others have no desire to change and blame their failings on lack of funding.

An acceptable level of physical fitness, regularly tested should be a condition of service for all NHS professionals, as it should in the Police Force.

252819 ▶▶ steph, replying to Caroline Watson, 6, #255 of 1714 🔗

I completely agree. Everyday we see this is hospitals propagating the disease. Yet the whole of society is closed down for it.
Somebody who actually knows what they are doing (not a crony) needs to be appointed to deal with this. Then let the rest of us go.

253035 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Caroline Watson, #256 of 1714 🔗

I wonder if the widespread replacement of hospital buildings during the New Labour years may have made the situation worse, if the new buildings were not built with infection control in mind?

Single-storey buildings would be best for this purpose, because stairwells and lift shafts are especially difficult to secure.

253819 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Caroline Watson, #257 of 1714 🔗

Quite agree that hospitals are the worst.
In spring a German doctor noted that deaths in hospital had gone down, he said it was most likely as they did not do any difficult operations which people do not recover from and as they do not get hospital acquired infections.

253916 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Caroline Watson, #258 of 1714 🔗

Ultimately, it should be made clear that obesity and smoking are not acceptable in NHS professionals.

I can’t see Sir Lancelot Spratt being too keen on that. Nor folks vaguely interested in liberty either.

252784 richmond, replying to richmond, 1, #259 of 1714 🔗

Alien victims

252868 ▶▶ richmond, replying to richmond, #260 of 1714 🔗

Seriously? From the film “Alien”? When the alien shoots out of the plant and goes splat on the bloke’s face? Iconic moment of Western cinema.

252787 Adam, 2, #261 of 1714 🔗

Please everyone hold this government and compliant Labor party accountable for the misery they have inflicted on this Country and the British people a great percentage of them need putting on trial and jailing https://www.saveourrights.uk

252788 Bella, replying to Bella, -5, #262 of 1714 🔗

If social distancing is pointless (Dr R Hodgkinson) because the virus travels in aerosol transmission then why are masks pointless too? Do they not disrupt the transmission slightly?

252984 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Bella, #263 of 1714 🔗

Hodkinson!

252987 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bella, #264 of 1714 🔗

I know you got a downtick, but this is the question all the maskoids ask – what is a blast of an answer to this – anyone?

252995 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to CGL, 1, #265 of 1714 🔗

Presumably because you at some point have to breathe out, even wearing a mask, and your breath goes out (mostly sideways) and the covid droplets hang around in the air waiting for someone to come along and breathe them in. Which in any social setting they will sooner or later do.

253010 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella, 5, #266 of 1714 🔗

Masks do not stop the virus. In fact it reduces your oxygen levels that leads to compromised immune systems, damage to the brain (watch out for an explosion of dementia in the future) and other illnesses

GERMAN NEUROLOGIST MARGARETA GRIESZ BRISSON: MASKS ARE DANGEROUS!!! (TRANSLATED)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Blzj0nJFEnpZ/

https://www.sott.net/article/438827-A-classic-fallacious-argument-If-masks-dont-work-then-why-do-surgeons-wear-them

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/14/mandatory-masks.aspx

253113 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Victoria, 3, #267 of 1714 🔗

I’m 9 months pregnant and haven’t been wearing one mainly because when I did once I did end up lightheaded and just thought ‘what the hell am I doing this for? I feel like I’m harming myself and possibly my unborn baby’
I’ve not seen any evidence of testing if masks harm unborn babies so I’m not prepared to be put at risk.
So I will have a look at your links with relish and hopefully they will answer my question above. Thank you.

253134 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Victoria, #268 of 1714 🔗

Is an oxygen molecule bigger or smaller than a COVID virus? If a mask stops oxygen coming in does it provide a barrier for viruses too?
Just a thought that occurred to me as I read your answer too

253320 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Bella, 4, #269 of 1714 🔗

The mask doesn’t stop oxygen coming in.
What it does is retains a % of your exhalations, so you rebreath some of your exhalation and have a slightly lower intake of oxygen and a slightly higher rebreath of your bodies waste products.
As viral load seems to be critical it is thought to be one reason why there is an increase in cases when mask wearing is enforced.
Normally 02 should be 20.9% in fresh air, when a mask is worn and the air is sampled next to your nose O2 is around 18%.
The other problem is that masks act as seives, breaking up the larger water droplets and allowing a higher % of fine droplets to pass through.
The smaller the moisture droplet is the longer they take to coalesce and fall to the ground, the smaller they are the deeper into the lungs they can be inhaled.
The other theory is that if Covid is contact transferred, all masks do is make people touch their faces more when they fidget / fuss with them.
Watch what people actually do, not what they say they do.

253662 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella, 1, #270 of 1714 🔗

NO. Viruses are absolutely miniscule. Oxygen molecules are much bigger!

So, to use the graphic example, the mosquito fence would stop a wood pigeon but not a bee ….

253651 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella, 2, #271 of 1714 🔗

No. Just as one person in a household might get the flu or a bad cold while the rest of the family are completely unscathed. It will always boil down to a healthy immune system and a body free of comorbidities.

252793 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 73, #272 of 1714 🔗

I am at the point where I am existing simply for the sake of existing at the moment, with no end in sight to the mess the western world is in.

I started working at age 16 in the 1970’s, working hard and by the time I was 18 was told that I should start saving for my pension almost immediately, so dutifully I did, at the same time I was informed by the time I was 50 or 55 I would be able to retire and the money I had invested in my pension would allow me to live a decent life in retirement.

My state pension retirement age a few years ago was increased to 66 or 67, the pension funds I have saved into my various private pensions over the years are not yielding the amounts I was predicted to get at retirement.

My government has taken all the joyous things out of my life, from March to September 2020 my life, like many others consisted of work & home, work & home, with little else, perhaps the weekly trip to get groceries.

Masks are a major issue for me, seeing others forced to wear masks in a nightmare, when I say forced, I am referring to children rather than adults, as adult can make choices for themselves and face the consequences, this is not an option for children. I am dreading them becoming mandatory in the street.

At the moment I just feel like cashing in all my savings, donating the money to the various groups who are trying to fight this madness and having done with it.

The only reason I will not do this is I have a very supportive wife, who has supported me for the last 30 odd years through my various mental health issues and leaving her alone would not be fare on her.

252809 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Dave #KBF, 40, #273 of 1714 🔗

Yes -it is the masks for me as well. Pubs were a welcome oasis when shops became muzzle zones -but then Bojo had to follow Wee Jimmie’s lead and insist that they be worn except when sat down. Wrecked the experience which wasn’t great anyway-sit there, take drinks off tray. How I had laughed when people came in muzzled and only took their muzzle off to eat or drink! I’m also dreading muzzling outside, exempt or not, the sight is distressing.

252860 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to arfurmo, 15, #274 of 1714 🔗

Come to Dartmoor. I have not seen anyone wearing a mask for 10 days now when I last went shopping. Nobody wears them outside where I live. Admittedly it is countryside but so refreshing to meet and talk with neighbours normally.

252817 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 19, #275 of 1714 🔗

Agree. Seeing people masked is depressing – communication is difficult as the cloth reduces what their saying to grunts and unintelligible mumbling, ditto reading their expressions. Even when their eyes are “smiling” its not the same because there could be a disconnect between their eyes and the rest of their face that you can’t see.

252864 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #276 of 1714 🔗

Went to the recycling place 3 weeks ago. One of the guys there started mumbling something behind a huge mask. I said I couldn’t hear. He repeated and then I said I couldn’t hear (I could just actually but did not tell him that). After a third time he reluctantly pulled his mask down and I simply said “ah that’s better I can hear you now”.

253674 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to William Hand, 3, #277 of 1714 🔗

My friend and I played that game in the bedwetter cafe. She’s brilliant at it!

253020 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dave #KBF, 19, #278 of 1714 🔗

Make no mistake. The Corona Scandal is a crime against humanity

You are an innocent who is simply being held hostage by corporations in a replay of the 2008/9 banking crisis and Swine Flu ‘Scamdemic’

Pharma companies, the NHS, Bill and Melinda Gates, the banks, tech industries, the PCR test manufacturers, politicians, the companies who manufacture face masks for children, the police who have arrested peaceful protestors, the media big wigs (Piers Morgan et al) all deserve to stand trial for crimes against humanity. The first three who come to mind are Chris Whitty, Patrick Vallance (with his pharma shares) and Neil Ferguson. All of them profiting personally from human tragedy

253670 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #279 of 1714 🔗

Try to find places where the muzzle wearers are scarce.

That’s why I like going to my local park. Everyone smiles, says hello and there are always the antics of the dogs and toddlers to cheer you up.

252800 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 80, #280 of 1714 🔗

For the record, I have transcribed Dr Roger Hodkinson’s address to the Alberta officials.

—8<—————

“The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public”

Dr Roger Hodkinson ( https://medmaldoctors.ca/dr-roger-hodkinson/ ) addresses a private meeting of government officials on the Community and Public Services Committee in Edmonton, Canada.

Retrieved 2020-11-18, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEo3rnU12jw

Audio also available at https://www.bitchute.com/video/hWPjDdXOWkOo/

—8<—————

Thank you very much.

I do appreciate the opportunity to address you on this very important matter.

What I’m going to say is lay language and blunt.

It’s counter narrative, and so you don’t immediately think I’m a quack I’m going to briefly outline my credentials so that you can understand where I’m coming from in terms of knowledge base in all of this.

I’m a medical specialist in pathology, which includes virology.

I trained at Cambridge University in the UK.

I’m the ex-president of the pathology section of the Medical Association.

I was previously an assistant professor in the faculty of medicine doing a lot of teaching.

I was the chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee in Pathology in Ottawa.

But more to the point I’m currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling a COVID-19 test.

You might say I know a little bit about all this.

The bottom line is simply this: there is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians.

It’s outrageous.

This is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.

There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus, other than protecting older, more vulnerable people.

It should be thought of nothing more than a bad flu season.

This is not Ebola, it’s not SARS.

It’s politics playing medicine and that’s a very dangerous game.

There is no action of any kind needed, other than what happened last year when we felt unwell.

We stayed home, we took chicken noodle soup, we didn’t visit granny, and we decided when we would return to work.

We didn’t need anyone to tell us.

Masks are utterly useless.

There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever.

Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling.

They’re not even worn effectively most of the time.

It’s utterly ridiculous seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people (and not saying that in a pejorative sense) seeing these people walking around like lemmings, obeying, without any knowledge base, to put the mask on their face.

Social distancing is also useless because COVID is spread by aerosols, which travel 30 meters or so before landing.

And closures have had such terrible unintended consequences.

Everywhere should be open tomorrow, as was stated in the Great Barrington declaration that I circulated prior to this meeting.

And a word on testing.

I do want to emphasize that I’m in the business of testing for COVID.

I do want to emphasize that positive test results do not — underlined in neon — mean a clinical infection.

It’s simply driving public hysteria and all testing should stop.

Unless you’re presenting to hospital with some respiratory problem, all that should be done is to protect the vulnerable.

And to give them all in the nursing homes that are under your control, give them all three to five thousand international units of vitamin D every day, which has been shown to radically reduce the likelihood of infection.

And I would remind you all that, using the province’s own statistics, the risk of death under 65 in this province is one in three hundred thousand.

One in three hundred thousand.

You’ve got to get a grip on this.

The scale of the response that you’re undertaking with no evidence for it is utterly ridiculous, given the consequences of acting in a way that you’re proposing.

All kinds of suicides, business closures, funerals weddings, etc, etc.

It’s simply outrageous.

It’s just another bad flu and you’ve got to get your minds around that.

Let people make their own decisions.

You should be totally out of the business of medicine.

You’re being led down the garden path by the chief medical officer for this province.

I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level.

It should all stop tomorrow.

Thank you very much.

252802 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #281 of 1714 🔗

Thank you – that needs to be circulated as widely as possible.

252888 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jakehadlee, 9, #282 of 1714 🔗

In case anyone needs it, I’ve made a standalone page of the transcript on Panscepticon.

252820 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mabel Cow, 9, #283 of 1714 🔗

MC – thanks for doing this for us.
Brave man – I hope he still has a job.

252932 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to bluemoon, 4, #284 of 1714 🔗

They are going to need a pretty big sports bag, he is a chunky guy.

253832 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Two-Six, #285 of 1714 🔗

I was so sorry to hear about his suicide next week.

253441 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #286 of 1714 🔗

Thanks for that MC. Dr Hodkinson is another man who’d be well advised not to “go for a walk in the woods alone”.

253677 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #287 of 1714 🔗

Awesome. Thanks!

252807 chaos, 11, #288 of 1714 🔗

The question now is.. how far will the conservative party and its ‘leadership’ aka Stanley, Doris and Princess Nut Nut get with this mad great reset?

A reset that will hand world hegemony to China. Surely those letters are now going in to Graham? Surely this mad great reset will be thwarted?

252808 Zak Thelotofem, 3, #289 of 1714 🔗
252814 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 5, #290 of 1714 🔗

Tyneside Tigress posted this late last night so might not have been seen by many https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/17/people-have-covid-vaccine-could-get-qr-codes-allowing-access/ . It’s paywalled but the title gives the jist . I’m not anti vax, I’ve had tetanus, cholera and typhoid but they were well tested and safe. How can these vaccines be deemed safe when they have only been around for a few months?

252828 ▶▶ steph, replying to arfurmo, 5, #291 of 1714 🔗

Of course we won’t need a QR code to show we’ve had the rubella jab or the vaccination against any thing else that can really cause devastating consequences No, all that matters is Covid. Never mind, I’m sure some enterprising people can come up with a line in fake QRs

252956 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to steph, 3, #292 of 1714 🔗

Unfortunately fake QRs won’t get you anywhere. A QR code is simply a way of encoding a string so that it can be picked up by a poor quality camera used in a casual manner. These QR codes will be URLs to connect to some kind of database, which means the scanning app will be able to recognise and reject any which don’t have the correct domain name. As far as that’s concerned it’s bulletproof.

Of course, the fact that it would have to be a government database is probably our saviour. Time and time again governments have demonstrated they couldn’t produce a simple database to save their lives: the spin is that something like the NHS IT system or track and trace is complicated, but they aren’t – large amounts of data is not the same thing as complexity. It’s simply that the culture of cronyism means that the projects are invariably farmed out to incompetents who just happen to be friends of minsters.

252906 ▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 2, #293 of 1714 🔗

Nobody’s had it yet.
Wait until they have.
Wait for the side effects.

252915 ▶▶ mjr, replying to arfurmo, #294 of 1714 🔗

on a pc, clicking the “reload” button and escape key in quick succession still by-passes the paywall

253009 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to mjr, #295 of 1714 🔗

Command-R and escape works on Apple mac

253518 ▶▶▶ DickieA, replying to mjr, 1, #296 of 1714 🔗

I think modern parlance calls that “a hack”. I tried this on the telegraph link above. First I responded to the cookie dialog box (I actually used the maange cookies option and rejected everything, as I normally do) and then used the refresh escape technique and got the full article. Many thanks!

252816 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 15, #297 of 1714 🔗

Toby may say it’s a test for the CRG but it’s an irrelevance. The vast majority of Tory MPs and all Labour MPs are in favour of lockdowns. The vote will go through just like every other vote. When you have no true opposition in parliament or the media you have no democracy and the path to totalitarianism is a cakewalk.

252825 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 4, #298 of 1714 🔗

Rebellions are talked up for every vote but ultimately prove to be pathetically weak.

252826 ▶▶ Will, replying to Achilles, 4, #299 of 1714 🔗

80 is the number of Tory MPs required to trigger a vote of no confidence; even if the Johnson doesn’t fancy the gig anymore because it hasn’t turned out to be the jolly japes and games of wiff waff that he thought it would be, I can’t see Lady Macbeth allowing him to unscrew his courage to the sticking place.

252858 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Will, 6, #300 of 1714 🔗

Don’t believe that caricature of Mr Johnson. If you want a ( slightly fictionalised) view of his real character look at Peter Judd in the Mick Herron novels. He is driven , and seeks power and glory. Princess nut nuts is helping him become a ‘world player’ , to strut his stuff on the world stage, leading the green revolution etc. The UK PM job is a mere stepping stone, he doesn’t want re-election, his sights are set on bigger targets. He is quite ruthless underneath the flannel and apparent flip-flops designed to cover his ambitions. Scratch the surface and you find a meglomaniac from Austria-Hungarian empire days. Him and Mr Schwab will get on just fine.

253690 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to peyrole, #301 of 1714 🔗

Doesn’t stop him from being a brazen bullshitting skiver though!

252836 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Achilles, 3, #302 of 1714 🔗

When a leader needs opposition votes – due to rebellion in his/her own party – a vote of no confidence follows. Despite Max Headroom being part of the great reset, labour could not be seen to save Boris. But like Toby said, it’s one shot.. one shot.. one shot..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_A66lAAMDM&t=73s

252879 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to chaos, 2, #303 of 1714 🔗

I’d love that to happen but it won’t. At best there may be some concessions on technicalities to pacify the CRG but it will be going through nonetheless. This is a runaway train and we need half the Tory party and all the Labour Party to be against it just to slow it down. If the Tory party are generally in favour what’s it matter to us who the leader is anyway? It will be the same misery, perhaps even worse.

253700 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, #304 of 1714 🔗

It was so blatant when they pulled the stunt with the last “concession.”
It’s to be hoped the rebels won’t be so naive this time – she said naively.

252818 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 46, #305 of 1714 🔗

If there was a real pandemic Christmas would be the last thing we would be worried about.

253024 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to pvenkman, 5, #306 of 1714 🔗

Never a truer word spoken.

252822 chaos, 6, #307 of 1714 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugRnjpXEwTo
What is “The Great Reset”? Paul Joseph Watson with James Delingpole

James getting braver and braver.. a slim man with big courage.

252823 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #308 of 1714 🔗

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/you-think-masks-uncomfortable-try-4710229 apparently we should wear masks so we don’t need intubation.

252842 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to p02099003, 7, #309 of 1714 🔗

Long term effects of the illness? Long term effects of invasive intubation if I were to hazard a guess. No context, no mention of health prior to ‘infection’. Dilute unadulterated propaganda.

253000 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 4, #310 of 1714 🔗

They just don’t stop this nonsense. As we know mask wearing perpetuates the fear.

253002 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 2, #311 of 1714 🔗

I don’t even need to open that to know it will be disgusting, emotional blackmail based propaganda.

252829 Stuart, 4, #312 of 1714 🔗

CRG is a rabble within a rabble. Boris can safely ignore the emasculated, spaced-out parliament.

Edicts, diktats, ukases and rule-by-decree can be just as safely issued from the isolation apartment in Downing Street as from any Churchillian bunker.

252830 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #313 of 1714 🔗

Alok Sharma is probably the most blatant and transparent greasy pole climber.. Boris could announce castration and Alok would sing its praises.

252831 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to chaos, 6, #314 of 1714 🔗

He’s intellectually challenged – like Hancock, Shapps and Williamson – but less evil than Hancock, and that’s his only virtue.

252837 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to chaos, 3, #315 of 1714 🔗

Having just listened to him on Talkradio. It’s no surprise we are all being pummelled when these people are the representation we have.

252976 ▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 1, #316 of 1714 🔗

I was onto him a couple of weeks in – his ‘sadliedieds’ were the worst acted ones out of all of them

252833 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #317 of 1714 🔗

The photo of the Japanese protesters is one that gladdens me and shows that we are not alone in being lockdown sceptics and questioning the prevailing orthodoxy regarding tests, masks and the virus itself. There are many of us across the globe and we should support each other.

As our fellow Brits happily surrender their democratic rights and civil liberties, spare a thought for the brave people of Thailand who have been protesting all day every day over their country’s march towards an absolute monarchy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfF3CGVwrs4

A bit of historic note – the current dynasty that rules Thailand (Chakri dynasty) has been on the throne since 1767. In 1932, a military coup led the king to renounce absolutism and introduce a constitutional monarchy. Since then Thailand has experienced more than enough coups and despite the constitution limiting the monarch’s powers, he has almost god like status and their lese majeste laws are some of the harshest in the world.

In 2016 King Bhumibol died after a long illness and he was succeeded by his son Crown Prince Vajiralongkor. His scandalous lifestyle has already made him unpopular as crown prince but as King, his constant absences and moves towards re-establishing the pre-1932 order hasn’t gone down well especially with the young.

So to our fellow citizens who are still asleep and still think this is about a virus, do we want to end up like this? For me its not about the virus its all about our rights and dignity as people and about justice.

253136 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Bart Simpson, #318 of 1714 🔗

What Japanese protestors, if you don’t mind me asking?

253154 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Censored Dog, #319 of 1714 🔗

Its towards the end of today’s update.

252834 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 11, #320 of 1714 🔗

52000 dead they say? Well FOI act. I am assessing the data from the NHS and ONS as an IT professional. There is no ‘end to end’ process of data entry, aggregation, verification, tied to source medical records which can be audited. This means that the 52.000 cannot be audited and confirmed. This means that the NHS cannot confirm its own dead counts and how the ONS aggregates and reports on the NHS data. So it is bogus. The dead count might well be manually inflated. Big Data analysis and statistics are being performed on it, to catch anomalies.

Further, it appears that many flu deaths (normal flu) are now being moved into CV-19 and that many deaths (widely reported) are with, not from CV-19. The actual death rate (still to be statistically analysed) is probably 15.000 maybe 20.000. In my view, locking down a country, not allowing people to visit the sick and old, destroying jobs based on what might be 20.000 dead out of a population of 70 millions, with the attendant 24-7 fear mongering is criminal. If the data does not support the dead count, then we will need to take this to court. Open data, open science, love, children’s future, in-it-together and all that b.s. you know. Still working on mapping the ONS data to raw, unfiltered, source data.

253001 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ferd III, 1, #321 of 1714 🔗

Opensafely.org has anonymised NHS records to the tune of 25million.

This could be useful for your work.

252839 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #322 of 1714 🔗

What exactly is going on in Boris’ head? Is he evil? Damaged? Not bright? What is it about this strange man?

252848 ▶▶ anon, replying to chaos, 9, #323 of 1714 🔗

severely compromised

253042 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to anon, 1, #324 of 1714 🔗

As in “kompromat”?

Not sure how that work: doesn’t everyone already know that he’s a philanderer?

252870 ▶▶ steph, replying to chaos, 8, #325 of 1714 🔗

How I wish we knew.
My take is he is not very bright. Yes he has his Oxford Classics degree but that is surely an incredibly narrow field.
Add to the lack of smarts is laziness and a complete lack of moral compass. He really doesn’t care about others.
Then he is a political animal trying so hard to avoid blame for what he’s done so far. SAGE, for left wing reasons of their own, love us all being in a totalitarian lockdown so their advice is always the same and he is happy to follow it so he can say “because the science” and not have to navigate a way out of the mess he’s caused.
Then you have the Carrie factor. Of course she’s as green and woke as they come and bringing in her green agenda on the back of all of this is certainly convenient. He’s following his p**s and not his little brain. Not uncommon in middle aged men who’ve “somehow” got a younger female in tow.
To summarise, dumb, lazy, immoral and c**tstruck.

252926 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to steph, 3, #326 of 1714 🔗

Agree – surely his party can see how self-obsessed, lacking any empathy and clearly not fit for the job.
He’s grown up in a very elitist bubble of eton and oxford etc and just does not understand how ‘normal’ people live, and his whole manner of speaking is so patronising and just annoys me so much i can’t listen.

252873 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to chaos, 4, #327 of 1714 🔗

His cock rules his brain

252911 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 1, #328 of 1714 🔗

“IT” is his brain, Cock Brain Boris.

252916 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to chaos, #329 of 1714 🔗

hostage situation- Carrie has him on a short lead

254309 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to chaos, #330 of 1714 🔗

PD dePiffle is NPD, like his dad. Indeed some narc aficionados have written quite a lot about his typical narc attributes. Evil.

252845 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #331 of 1714 🔗

Today’s suggested stocking-filler is a 2020-themed re-write of the classic ZX Spectrum game “Horace Goes Skiing”

I think Horace preferred 1982 – although it was more dangerous. If he’d hit that chevron in 1982, it would have cost the NHS millions by now.

Luckily, in 2020 he is kept safe from the dangers of the outside world for the good of himself and others.

These days, Horace sits at home alone watching the news, repeating to himself “I don’t go skiing to protect the environment and the NHS which protects my friends, my gran and even strangers who I wouldn’t otherwise give a shit about”

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252847 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #332 of 1714 🔗

Loved that game. How about one for The Game of Life’?

252855 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Sarigan, 3, #333 of 1714 🔗

It did cross my mind, wouldn’t it just be four squares and a one sided dice?

GET BORN -> GET TAXED -> STAY SAFE -> DIE

252862 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #334 of 1714 🔗

The pegs for the cars would have to all be the same colours too surely? Electric cars obviously.

252865 ▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Sarigan, #335 of 1714 🔗

You’d never be able to earn any money to buy a car

252936 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #336 of 1714 🔗

If you are good you may get one on social credit.

252849 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #337 of 1714 🔗

Wow that brings back memories.

Nice touch on the 2020 skiing season.

253498 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #338 of 1714 🔗

Here’s my contribution using Alligata’s tough-as-balls platformer, Blagger .

253851 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Mabel Cow, #339 of 1714 🔗

🙂 nice one!

252850 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #340 of 1714 🔗

First whiff of a Conservative Party public procurement corruption scandal and the state broadcaster and all others are all over it……a good thing.

Amnesty International report into thousands killed by incompetent government policies……silence….

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/care-homes-report

Remind me, where has so much of the preaching about lives being more important than money come from?

Any independent public inquiry should have an extremely broad remit to look at profound constitutional change, reform of the NHS and the breaking up of the state broadcaster.

253150 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #341 of 1714 🔗

It won’t. Even if it did, it will be controlled by the complicit. Put not your faith in public inquiries, nor in any royal commission.

253175 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Ovis, #342 of 1714 🔗

Have you sent in your submission to the House of Lords call for evidence?

https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/165/constitutional-implications-of-covid19/

“Notwithstanding the purported a-legal character of the Report, it will undoubtedly provide significant evidence, and thus impetus, for victims of families to proceed with criminal and/or civil legal action. Civil liability claims could also arise from the fact that the findings of the Report show the absence of an effective asset tracking system – something the MOD had identified but not addressed – as well as serious equipment failures caused as a result of the decisions taken.”

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/chilcot-inquiry-reaction-universitys-experts-comment–analysis-on-reports-findings/

252852 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 23, #343 of 1714 🔗

The banning of Huck Finn, To Kill a Mocking Bird and Of Mice and Men on the ground they are racist is a perfect (albeit depressing) summary of the times. To construe these works as racist requires a special blend of ignorance, arrogance and a massive sense of moral superiority.

The works of the three authors (Mark Twain, Harper Lee and John Steinbeck) demonstrate, not just literary qualities, but moral sense: a moral sense that transcended the common, received ideas of their times. Any disinterested, informed, humane comparison of the moral sense embodied in these works with the values of the Woke would inevitably come to one, and only one, conclusion. Notwithstanding the professions of the Woke, they moral pygmies, but now I have used that word, they can forget all about everything else I have said, accuse me of racism and make themselves feel superior. Woke is nothing more than narcissism dressed up as a concern for others.

252894 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #344 of 1714 🔗

I think all three have gone through cycles of being banned and then released over decades. Hopefully it will be the same again.
Your comments are true for anyone with half a brain, but that seems to be dangerous right now.

252853 kf99, 12, #345 of 1714 🔗

Seems to be a new obsession with how far total deaths are above the 5-year average. Shouldn’t the question be ‘but are they within the expected range?’ Innumerate journos seem to equate average to being some precise target to never be deviated from.

252854 Bongo, 2, #346 of 1714 🔗

I don’t understand why the Offences Against The Person Act can’t be invoked, and all restrictions removed.
https://www.tht.org.uk/hiv-and-sexual-health/living-well-hiv/legal-issues/how-law-works
This allows for reckless and deliberate transmission of an infectious disease to be an offence. What a reasonable person would regard as reckless could be argued in front of the magistrate or judge and some common law would follow.

252861 Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 11, #347 of 1714 🔗

A somewhat worrying update to my post of an hour or two ago. As expected the argument continued but I was a bit shocked at his latest effort. It’s not out of character but still it scares me that people like him can accept this kind of authoritarianism without any doubt at all. When I asked him if he would be vaccinated:

JC:
I wouldn’t be at the front of the queue. But if/when offered it the I certainly wouldn’t decline.

Me:
That’s your prerogative and it’s fine. Will you have your kids vaccinated too?
I wouldn’t take it at all for a number of reasons. However I have had my kids (and myself) vaccinated for things like measles, polio etc. So the point is that someone who assesses the benefits / risks of a specific vaccine and chooses not to have it isn’t an “anti vaxxer”, conspiracy theorist or nutter. It’s ludicrous that people should be coerced into having it and threatened with restrictions if they don’t.

JC:
No it isnt

JC:
I dont think it is ludicrous. If you wish to exercise your free will and not take the vaccine then its perfectly legit for a country to exercise its free will and say sorry, we don’t want you to come here. Or for a company to say we don’t want to permit you to enter our workplace.

Me:
A country doesn’t have “free will”. There are laws that are supposed to protect human rights. If you think it’s legit then that’s up to you. This is not like a measles vaccine. There are serious scientific and ethical questions to ask before whole populations become guinea pigs for a barely-tested vaccine that is likely to cause side-effects and unlikely to eradicate an endemic virus.
The fact remains that coming to a different conclusion to you doesn’t make someone a conspiracy theorist, much less a nutter.
How much actual research have you done on any of this?

252867 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Sceptic in SA, 8, #348 of 1714 🔗

You are running into the ‘group think’ that has overtaken society throughout the west. Quite deliberately I think over many years through the education system. ‘Society’ is more important than the individual. If society deems something you do to be unacceptable then you will be banned if you do not conform. The extreme example is Chinese social credits, and the west is moving towards that system rather quickly now.
We are being turned into hive creatures.

252900 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to peyrole, 6, #349 of 1714 🔗

Ugh bloody groupthink. My former employer was awful for this, their Big Brother, the government or the BBC could announce that 2 plus 2 now equalled 5 and at least 90% of everyone there would unquestioningly swallow it. Thankfully I don’t have to put up with those sheep bleating the approved noises every day anymore, they honestly deserve the “vaccine” and all the injuries that will come with it.

252881 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sceptic in SA, 3, #350 of 1714 🔗

The research he has done is that which the media have told him. If his argument follows:-

  • does he then prevent all medical treatment to those that are obese as they have (presumably) made unhealthy living practices in exercising there free will
  • Does he the prevent all medical treatment for those who smoke/ drink in exercising there free will, particularly treatment related to liver/ lungs
252963 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Sceptic in SA, 3, #351 of 1714 🔗

A ‘country’ is an invented concept that actually only exists within our minds, its is not sentient. It does not have ‘free will’.

So all the sentient life forms that do actually exist, think, feel, hurt, etc should be willing to harm themselves and sacrifice their liberty in order to serve an imaginary concept that does not actually exist at all.

252996 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #352 of 1714 🔗

I had the same argument with a friend who said that “too many people are just insisting on being an individual about this whole crisis”.

I asked how else does one be? Self accountability or contract arrangement as individuals. Not coercion to a group ideology

253046 ▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, #353 of 1714 🔗

Thank you everyone for your comments. most helpful and insightful. I think this might be the last time I post a transcript of our FB discussion as it might become a bit boring, but we seem to have converged slightly, at least in terms of degenerating into a full blown argument. I used some of the wisdom from you guys in my latest reply:

JC:
I think we’re coming at this from a different perspective. I’m predicting (Ed’s note – I think he meant predicating) all my responses on a vaccine that has been rigorously tested. There are serious checks and balances before any vaccine can be brought to the general population. You seem to be predicting your responses on a vaccine that doesn’t go through these stringent regulatory requirements. If you talk about different things, you’re going to come to different conclusions.
Me:
To some extent yes we are. Although my perspective is that the vaccine is going to be fast tracked and offered in the next few weeks / months.
However the other area in which we possibly differ is that I refuse to believe most of the mainstream narrative at face value. I have done a fair amount of digging into non-mainstream views and it contradicts what we are being told. Starting with the fact (or “opinion” if you like) that most of the govt narrative / strategy starts with PCR testing which is flawed. It’s completely not fit for the purpose for which it’s being used. Consequently, the COVID “cases”, deaths and subsequently all the government response to COVID is based on flawed data.
I would be interested to hear what sort of research you’ve done, or from where you’re getting your information. If it’s from the BBC, CNN, Piers Morgan or other such MSM then I think it would be wise to look beyond that if you want to be properly informed.
I don’t want to get into stupid arguments or make this into a political forum, but there is a lot of information out there that is not being widely broadcast, and a lot of what we do get is frankly propaganda

So I chose not to go as far as to say that the need for a vaccine is also based on this flawed strategy. I am genuinely interested to hear what he says about his source of information. I might send him some links, starting with this one which I think is pretty hard to argue with – the privately recorded meeting link that I picked up (again I can’t recall from where but might have been on here):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?ab_channel=AgentFearlessCanuckGivvin%27erSpoonz&feature=emb_logo&v=uEo3rnU12jw&app=desktop

252863 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 9, #354 of 1714 🔗

Oh my gosh I am going to share the hell out of Dr Hodkinsons clip.

253071 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Janice21, #355 of 1714 🔗

I have posted a transcript of the clip on Panscepticon , in case that helps.

252866 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 8, #356 of 1714 🔗

They have already messed up Christmas for me. Most family members are ignoring the restrictions and happy see one another for hugs and celebrations, but my Grandmother and Mother in Law are still that frightened of it all they don’t want our usual family Christmas gatherings. My Grandmother usually has a large party with 30 plus people in her house on Christmas night and its the only time of the year we get so see many of our uncles, aunts, cousins etc. We just have to respect her wishes and she is 82 years old. MIL on the other hand is just driven by all the hysteria and may as well have shares in the BBC.

252889 ▶▶ Danny, replying to Janice21, 10, #357 of 1714 🔗

Really sorry to hear that. I too am acutely aware that although personally (like most on these pages I assume) will be telling the government to take a jump with these latest laws, a great many, including in our own families) are just too scared. Scared of the Black Death. Scared of the police. Of the neighbours reporting them. Just traumatised, and that is what I find so hard to accept, for them.

252895 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Danny, 10, #358 of 1714 🔗

I know of an old person who is still self-isolating all the way since March. I can’t get that round my head. Are they going to isolate until they die to avoid dying?

252959 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Achilles, 4, #359 of 1714 🔗

To be brutally honest. Yes probably. Sad.

252896 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Danny, 2, #360 of 1714 🔗

To be honest, if they are that gullible they must be left to wallow in their own terror.

252941 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Janice21, 9, #361 of 1714 🔗

We should have a lockdown sceptics big xmas bash!!
Masks banned, hugs encouraged, handshakes a must, and a cheeky kiss under the mistletoe if you’ve had too much of the punch 🙂

252971 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Janice21, 1, #362 of 1714 🔗

Sorry to read that and you won’t be a alone in experiences such as these.

253139 ▶▶ rose, replying to Janice21, 1, #363 of 1714 🔗

Perhaps she is just sick of having 30 people round every xmas? I know I am!

252869 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 3, #364 of 1714 🔗

End of petrol and diesel car sales by 2030. What a convenient date that is…

252892 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JHuntz, 7, #365 of 1714 🔗

What’s it matter when we won’t be allowed to go anywhere anyway?

253053 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Achilles, 2, #366 of 1714 🔗

Point well made for a moment I had forgotten about my serfdom.

252893 ▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 3, #367 of 1714 🔗

Won’t happen..
End of.

252930 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to annie, 7, #368 of 1714 🔗

Annie. Please please please expect that it will happen.
I have no idea of your political leaning but please note that the far left are in control and up to them they would strip you of any freedom.
Make no mistake there are no real right of centre parties. The green party aren’t a real political party, they just exist to exert pressure on a debunked pretence of man made global warming. The main advocate (Attenborough) thinks humans are too many – what do you propose their answer is to that?

The problem with the left-right paradigm is that the left never cease pushing left and the right never stop conceding.
Only a strong push to the right will restore balance.

252993 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to TheBigman, 6, #369 of 1714 🔗

Both Labour and the Conservatives terminated our rights and liberties and decimated the economy. They can never be trusted again. Anyone that votes for them at the next election will be collaborators.

The Conservative party is no longer operating on any conservative values.

Strategic voting will need to take place to keep these 2 parties out at the next election. At this stage the Reclaim party and the Reform UK party are the two choices that could attract our votes. We might not agree to everything they stand for, but we will need to make the best choice.

253205 ▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to TheBigman, #370 of 1714 🔗

There is no way the infrastructure necessary will be built in 10 years. New power stations will be needed, charging points needed at every parking place and recycling facilities for the batteries as a minimum.

252988 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to annie, 1, #371 of 1714 🔗

It already is.They are turning the zero carbon screw.London Taxis have been forced to be electric only since 2018.Guess who brought that law in.

253056 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to annie, 1, #372 of 1714 🔗

Well a lot of things they’ve pulled off in the last eight months have surprised me to say the least.

253082 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 2, #373 of 1714 🔗

It will happen. You can’t get an electric camper van that isn’t A: Stupidly expensive B: Almost useless. That’s us screwed.

252871 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #374 of 1714 🔗

Princess nut nuts is the gift that keeps on giving

It appears that at some point in the future we are all going to be driving around in cars made from fairy cakes (with or without sprinkles, your call)

Of course none of this will ever happen, but attention must be drawn away from the murders in the care homes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54981425

252964 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cecil B, 2, #375 of 1714 🔗

It will never happen. It’s just an attention seeking load of old tosh. Anyone seriously think BJ or the Conservatives will be in power in 4 years time let alone 9 ? Ignore and move on.

252874 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #376 of 1714 🔗

Dr Hodkinsons recording would make an excellent public health announcement on primetime Beeb

252898 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Major Panic, 2, #377 of 1714 🔗

Will never happen, it’s up to us to spread it around

252951 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Anothersceptic2, #378 of 1714 🔗

Done

253044 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Anothersceptic2, #379 of 1714 🔗

no shit sherlock

252875 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 5, #380 of 1714 🔗

This is a fascinating study:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717

BACKGROUND
The efficacy of public health measures to control the transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has not been well studied in young adults.

METHODS
We investigated SARS-CoV-2 infections among U.S. Marine Corps recruits who underwent a 2-week quarantine at home followed by a second supervised 2-week quarantine at a closed college campus that involved mask wearing, social distancing, and daily temperature and symptom monitoring. Study volunteers were tested for SARS-CoV-2 by means of quantitative polymerase-chain-reaction (qPCR) assay of nares swab specimens obtained between the time of arrival and the second day of supervised quarantine and on days 7 and 14. Recruits who did not volunteer for the study underwent qPCR testing only on day 14, at the end of the quarantine period. We performed phylogenetic analysis of viral genomes obtained from infected study volunteers to identify clusters and to assess the epidemiologic features of infections….

During the supervised quarantine, public health measures were enforced to suppress SARS-CoV-2 transmission (Table S1 in the Supplementary Appendix, available with the full text of this article at NEJM.org). ****All recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors, except when sleeping or eating; practiced social distancing of at least 6 feet; were not allowed to leave campus; did not have access to personal electronics and other items that might contribute to surface transmission; and routinely washed their hands. They slept in double-occupancy rooms with sinks, ate in shared dining facilities, and used shared bathrooms. All recruits cleaned their rooms daily, sanitized bathrooms after each use with bleach wipes, and ate preplated meals in a dining hall that was cleaned with bleach after each platoon had eaten. Most instruction and exercises were conducted outdoors. All movement of recruits was supervised, and unidirectional flow was implemented, with designated building entry and exit points to minimize contact among persons.**** All recruits, regardless of participation in the study, underwent daily temperature and symptom screening. Six instructors who were assigned to each platoon worked in 8-hour shifts and enforced the quarantine measures. If recruits reported any signs or symptoms consistent with Covid-19, they reported to sick call, underwent rapid qPCR testing for SARS-CoV-2, and were placed in isolation pending the results of testing….

RESULTS
A total of 1848 recruits volunteered to participate in the study; within 2 days after arrival on campus, 16 (0.9%) tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, 15 of whom were asymptomatic. ****An additional 35 participants (1.9%) tested positive on day 7 or on day 14.**** Five of the 51 participants (9.8%) who tested positive at any time had symptoms in the week before a positive qPCR test. ****Of the recruits who declined to participate in the study, 26 (1.7%) of the 1554 recruits with available qPCR results tested positive on day 14.**** No SARS-CoV-2 infections were identified through clinical qPCR testing performed as a result of daily symptom monitoring. Analysis of 36 SARS-CoV-2 genomes obtained from 32 participants revealed six transmission clusters among 18 participants. Epidemiologic analysis supported multiple local transmission events, including transmission between roommates and among recruits within the same platoon…. (emphases added)

————————–

Even with such a strict methodology, enforced by the *U.S. Marines Corps*, if you please, the number who ‘tested positive for SARS-CoV-2’ was *higher* than was the case for non-participants in the study. Only slightly higher, but higher nonetheless.

252897 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to common conservative, 8, #381 of 1714 🔗

Time and time again studies show lockdowns have no effect on the spread, masks and the plethora of other restrictions have no effect, yet government continues to pursue these damaging measures. You have ask, why?

252954 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Van Allen, 3, #382 of 1714 🔗

Married to the model. Unable to change direction and given top cover from the rest of Europe to make money at the expense of everyone else.

Just a massive abusive relationship / protection racket.

252876 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #383 of 1714 🔗

Poker faces, now…

252882 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #384 of 1714 🔗

If we can send these to all in; the cabinet, sage, any public health, with a further ban on communications – we will have cured covid

252972 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Major Panic, 8, #385 of 1714 🔗

There we are.

252949 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #386 of 1714 🔗

Why would anyone give a shit ? Except to ridicule her ? And this moron is on Social Media for what reason ?

One month she is lobbying for the Cheltenham Festival to go ahead and the next she is running a track and trace farce.

Baroness indeed. Everything wrong with our country in one individual.

Zoom yourself into never you utter scumbag.

252962 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #387 of 1714 🔗

Enjoy your 100% salary Dido

252989 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #388 of 1714 🔗

“The 14 day isolation notice means she would have come into contact with someone on November 12 – the same day Boris Johnson met with MP Lee Anderson who later tested positive.

It’s not yet clear who Ms Harding has been in contact with who has tested positive.

But her husband, Tory MP John Penrose, was pinged to self isolate on November 9.

The news means it took Ms Harding five days to be ordered to isolate from the moment she had contact with a possibly infected person”.

5 days of wandering around? App is as much use as an inflatable dart board.

252884 HelzBelz, 3, #389 of 1714 🔗

Love, love, love the cruise ship idea. Would even put money on the outcome.

Doubtless is has been deemed too difficult, too dangerous etc because our rulers whoever they may really be (because lets face it, it ain’t bumbling Bozza) also know what the outcome would be….

252885 NickR, 6, #390 of 1714 🔗

What a brilliant edition. Toby/Will you are stars.

252899 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #391 of 1714 🔗

Re Stephen Lavin story written by Sandra Barwick, a former Telegraph journalist

While he waited overnight, a drunk man was admitted at 2am from A&E, without being tested for covid, although he was coughing and refusing to wear a mask .

Great story but why the focus on the mask not being worn by the drunk? We all know that masks cannot stop the virus.

252929 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Victoria, 2, #392 of 1714 🔗

Why would they admit a coughing drunk from A&E to a ward with people recovering from surgery regardless of his mask or test status. Are ‘medics’ only interested in the precautionary principle when they think it justifies the implementation of tyranny.

252955 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Victoria, 1, #393 of 1714 🔗

But Stephen may not have known that at the time so his concern was not unwarranted.

252901 James Leary #KBF, 8, #394 of 1714 🔗

I keep getting these visions of a gothic mansion called ‘Tory Towers’, or something, with scores of MPs outside trying to break the door down while all that can be heard from inside is the sound of banging & crashing and breaking glass as if a few madmen are inside wrecking the joint so it will be unfit for habitation for years to come. The guys outside better kick the door in quick, or they’ll be out of a home.

252904 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 10, #395 of 1714 🔗

It’s amazing that PCR and flow testing is still going on at an industrial scale when it is frankly shite.

It always was shite unless you characterise and calibrate the procedures against a standard. And then use it within a tight set of circumstances.

This takes less than 5 minutes to work out. And yet it seems that we need to waste billions upon billions, fuck the economy, trample rights to figure this out.

252920 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to mhcp, 4, #396 of 1714 🔗

It’s not amazing… It’s a TOOL. Provides huge PROFITS and it’s perfect to build the “PANDEMIC OF CASES”!

But it’s clear that the vast majority of the herd is still in “obey and graze” mode.

252905 Maverick, replying to Maverick, 21, #397 of 1714 🔗

Mass non-compliance from a specific date may be the only way to get free. It’s clear the government don’t intend to let us ever return to the old normal.

252909 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Maverick, 19, #398 of 1714 🔗

I’ve said it before but it’s up to the public to end this now, the authorities have no interest in stopping it. Only mass civil disobedience will stop it.

252921 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #399 of 1714 🔗

Sadly that is unlikely.

252922 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #400 of 1714 🔗

A couple of weeks ago, someone (Mark or Matt, maybe) put it very simply. “This stops when the people say no”. Unfortunately…

252948 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #401 of 1714 🔗

Perhaps going back into lockdown after Xmas when many will still be on holiday.

252958 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Maverick, 3, #402 of 1714 🔗

Been non compliant since Wales diverted from the mainstream lockdown.

253005 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, #403 of 1714 🔗

Hasn’t made much difference though.

252982 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Maverick, 1, #404 of 1714 🔗

I was thinking you could make it very simple. Over the period of further restrictions, organise a day when two households will mix. Make it a campaign with the only request that a picture of the two families having fun in any way is posted online with the hashtag #nomore

252907 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 19, #405 of 1714 🔗

The lunacy continues. Just now, a chap with Downs Syndrome and (I presume) his carer came into the lobby. He could not put his mask on properly (not that I want anyone to don a mask obvs). I heard her saying she could not help him put it on because she couldn’t touch it. Then, when they were (finally) inside placing their order, he took his mask off. She then got panicky and told him that he had to put it back on. I told him he didn’t if he didn’t want to. And she’s the carer …

252918 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 5, #406 of 1714 🔗

Why, oh why do people – especially those at the sharp end – not look at the law/guidance on this?

252925 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #407 of 1714 🔗

I know. She should have known he didn’t need to wear a mask. But also the fact that she flat-out refused to touch the mask also astonished me.

252934 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 4, #408 of 1714 🔗

Haven’t they seen that TV advert, where Bunter, in his chummy pullover, says “We should all wear face coverings to stop the virus, but don’t forget, some people are exempt and we should all be kind to them”. Oh, hang on…

252975 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #409 of 1714 🔗

Because they are just obeying orders….

252939 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 7, #410 of 1714 🔗

He’s almost certainly exempt under ‘causing distress’.

252961 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 5, #411 of 1714 🔗

I think carers are exempt too.

252977 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 5, #412 of 1714 🔗

Which it clearly was.

252910 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #413 of 1714 🔗

re £18 Billion PPE Scandal & Other contracts without proper process

This will be grist to the mill of the conspiracy theorists, but it looks more a cock-up to me. Nevertheless, this does appear to be an example of “convergent opportunism” (© Mike Yeadon).

This is out and out crony enrichment and fraud. These cronies have made life changing hundreds of millions of pounds gains where other ordinary people will not be able to afford a roof over their heads or lose their businesses because they are legally not allowed to be open.

252914 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 3, #414 of 1714 🔗

That’s not a scandal… It’s just BUSINESS as usual among scoundrels and fraudsters.

But what’s the surprise, if modern moron slaves persist in voting for scoundrels and fraudsters!

252938 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Victoria, 1, #415 of 1714 🔗

It’s outrageous but essentially a distraction, just which companies make a packet and which don’t.
BBC R4 Today Programme did ask about a ‘middleman’ receiving £21 million just to act as a go between.
The Minister (?) replied that 70% of PPE is now made in the UK.

252960 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 4, #416 of 1714 🔗

The Minister (?) replied that 70% of PPE is now made in the UK.

As if that will make it right. Obviously that answer was good enough for BBC R4.
The PPE made in the UK contracts were also awarded without proper process and scrutiny and lots more cronyism and fraud

252973 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 2, #417 of 1714 🔗

It’s disaster capitalism. The fraud is only what we know so far. The truth is likely to be many magnitudes more.

We are continually told that we are the reason why we are in this mess and all this cronyism is ongoing from the very same people berating the people.

In Spain they chased King Carlos into exile recently. Here, meh.

253041 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #418 of 1714 🔗

In Spain they chased King Carlos into exile recently. Here, meh.

Jail sounds better for these bastards

252912 Voz 0db, 7, #419 of 1714 🔗

Dr Clare Craig: “We Are In A False Positive Pseudo-Epidemic”

Well this is what happens when scoundrels and morons use PCR pretending it is a test!

As for the signs to other fellow moron slaves I’ve this one…

“The WHO and NHS RECOMMENDS”

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252913 Steve Hayes, 8, #420 of 1714 🔗

I have just read this article by Iain Davies https://in-this-together.com/covid-19-evidence-of-global-fraud/
In it he makes an argument that the coronavirus issue is a global conspiracy and the perpetrators ought to be prosecuted. A foundation for his argument is the virus’ existence has not been established. He presents this case very persuasively. And if he is correct, we a problem of unimaginable proportions.

252917 Will, 9, #421 of 1714 🔗

Thanks to various posters for posting information that I have managed to use to convert someone to the ways of righteousness. He was a proper bed wetter as well!!!

252919 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #422 of 1714 🔗

World Economic Forum
the attached suddenly popped up at the top of my Google news feed.
Page 2 follows

252923 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #423 of 1714 🔗

Pt 2 the guilty parties

252983 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to karenovirus, 1, #424 of 1714 🔗

Good find! Interesting that Stephanie Kelton is included, who pushes “modern monetary theory” and a “job guarantee”, both of which sound lovely but result in the state taking more and more control of the economy.

252924 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #425 of 1714 🔗

Deaths from C-19 without pneumonia is controversial. I think SK only accept pneumonia as death of C-19.This would half the deaths of C-19 in the US.All international comparisons of deaths of C-19 must include which criteria

https://twitter.com/tlowdon/status/1328909853306220544

 “CDC has certified 230,000 C19 deaths so far by date & cause. 46% (105K) died w/ pneumonia & the remaining 54% (125K) did not. Many merely tested positive sometime prior to passing. Included in that 230K are 8K deaths by injury. C19 deaths are overcounted

252947 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #426 of 1714 🔗

Imagine how taking half of Covid deaths off one column and putting it into another. The CV19 zealots would not know what to do. They’d have to readjust their entire thinking overnight to begin to say that we have two pandemics now. Or something like that you’d expect.

253236 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #427 of 1714 🔗

A heard has no problem with turning in an instant.

252927 jakehadlee, replying to jakehadlee, 11, #428 of 1714 🔗

Inspired by the Dr Hodkinson quotes, I’m trying to put together a poster/leaflet that shows the most credible, data-supported Covid sceptic facts. It is specifically designed for people who think sceptics are anti-science, so I want it to be very relevant quotes from respected people, or very clear science/data from official sources.

Got a couple of ideas for quotes on it – as you can see – but if anyone can suggest the very best examples of high-credibility quotes/data suitable for de-Covidication of semi-educated Joe Public that I can put on here that would be much appreciated. Any finished print file can, of course, be shared with anyone who might want it.

252933 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jakehadlee, 3, #429 of 1714 🔗

IFR is 0.15>0.2%. John Ioannidis paper published by the WHO. If you are under 65, flu is more dangerous.

252935 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #430 of 1714 🔗

I’m guessing that rabid lockdowners aren’t motivated by fear of personally dying of the virus.

253192 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to GCarty80, #431 of 1714 🔗

Virtue signalling is the only thing that makes them feel alive. They’re afraid of losing the excuse to virtue signal

252937 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #432 of 1714 🔗

Great poster. Keep it simple.

252986 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to jakehadlee, 2, #434 of 1714 🔗

Very good. Worth a full page ad in “The Times”

253003 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #435 of 1714 🔗

Thanks! I think it needs something in there that is highly credible but clear about the genuine risk of Covid. A lot of people seem to genuinely believe it is a Justinian Plague level threat, and that is why they are willing to give up their freedom/children’s future/happiness. Just want something in there that shows clearly that, yes its not pleasant, but your perception of risk is completely out of whack.

In fact a perception of risk stat would be good. ie “The risk of a healthy person in the UK dying of Covid is identical to the risk of dying from [something else that people aren’t scared of but which is statistically just as dangerous] If anyone knows of one!

253029 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #436 of 1714 🔗

I like your implied link with mask wearing and mass hysteria. They seem to feed off each other.

Because I uses buses so much I’m very concerned about the impact mask wearing has had on the use of public transport. Mask wearing became mandatory on buses before they were made mandatory in shops. I imagine this was to encourage people to use public transport – to make them feel safe. I think it has rather done exactly the opposite. If you need to wear a mask on a bus going on one myst be as perilous as going to hospital – worse even!

Sorry this doesn’t provide you with a statistic you want.

253182 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jakehadlee, #437 of 1714 🔗

The risk of dying with the coronavirus mirrors exactly the risk of dying for the population minus the virus. That is, the virus has had zero effect on mortality.

253235 ▶▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Steve Hayes, #438 of 1714 🔗

I have seen that somewhere previously but can’t find an official source for it at the moment

253021 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #439 of 1714 🔗

Why don’t we club together and buy a page in the Times?

253033 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to annie, #440 of 1714 🔗

Crowd funding? I’m just wonder if the Times or any newspaper would carry it though? Yea, the way the government is behaving they might whack on a million pound fine and send the editor to the Tower.

253172 ▶▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Ned of the Hills, #441 of 1714 🔗

Mail might – they are getting more sceptical and, judging by who appears on their webpage adverts, don’t care where their ad revenue comes from!

253011 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to jakehadlee, #442 of 1714 🔗

(Re: the use of ‘cases & mass testing’) Prof. Allyson Pollock, as interviewed on BBC news: “It is not a test which tells you whether you have infection, or whether you’re infectious.”

252928 Stuart, 3, #443 of 1714 🔗

Good News Day:

– the Scots are back in no-travel lockdown, pre-emptively stemming a mass flood to the English border as they flee to escape Nicky’s Indy hell-hole.

– Compo is back, possibly, maybe, to continue the implosion of the Labour Party now under the hapless direction of Clueless Starmer.

All’s well with the world.

Carry on “counting” those “Covid” “cases”, chaps.

252944 Iansn, 1, #444 of 1714 🔗

must be some difficult questions about to come in for her. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-covid-lockdown-vaccine-uk-news-scotland-update-cases/ get a test and get back to work Dido

252945 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #445 of 1714 🔗

Another test getting FDA green light. This test is for home use!

“This test utilizes a molecular amplification technology for the detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in individuals with known or suspected COVID-19.”

Here is the FDA Authorisation

https://www.fda.gov/media/143810/download

253173 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #446 of 1714 🔗

Upload your result daily and receive your daily QR code to live

253188 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, #447 of 1714 🔗

It would be more honest if they just stamped the word ‘SLAVE’ on our foreheads

252952 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #448 of 1714 🔗

I’m reading “The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism” by Thomas Frank. He’s written about the history of populism in the US during another era where ordinary people suffered greatly. Obviously, a very different time from now, but two bits seem relevant for us.

This is the core assumption of what I call the Democracy Scare. If the people have lost faith in the ones in charge, it can only be because something has gone wrong with the people themselves.

Since we have lost faith in the (British) government, there must be something wrong with us. I hasten to add that he doesn’t actually mean something is wrong with the people, but rather that blame has been placed in the wrong place.

Another bit about a different issue, but the words feel relevant today:

[William Jennings] Bryan’s nomination [in 1896 by the Democratic party] was the break that marked the system’s collapse. The candidate himself was refreshingly direct about this. “We are fighting in the defense of our homes, our families, and posterity,” he said in his sensational speech to the Chicago convention. “We have petitioned, and our petitions have been scorned; we have entreated, and our entreaties have been disregarded; we have begged, and they have mocked when our calamity came. We beg no longer; we entreat no more; we petition no more. We defy them.”

253109 ▶▶ Mark, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #449 of 1714 🔗

Thomas Frank is a man with interesting ideas, perhaps because he is a leftist (a Democrat) who came from Republican youth, as Peter Hitchens is a conservative who came from radical left (Trotskyist) youth. Here he is being interviewed:

Thomas Frank on Anti-Populism’s Surprising History

“… here’s the real twist in the story. … in the 1890s the people who hated populism were on the right – this was the establishment, the economists, the rich people, the bankers, … the established order, who were defending themselves from what they saw as a radical onslaught. Today the people who use this exact same stereotype, and I mean it’s identical, these are liberals, now….Anti-populism has gone from right to left, but it’s the same ideology. You know this idea that good government and reason and order…. or what we would call “norms”, are “threatened” … by an uprising of the common people, of people who have, of deplorables, people who have no business ruling, have no business making any decisions .”

I would say, as I do here frequently, that the reason for this is the long triumph of the left through the C20th, so that the left are now the establishment, and establishments don’t like outsiders threatening their rule.

252957 Rowan, replying to Rowan, 14, #450 of 1714 🔗

Just how many hundreds or thousands cock ups are needed before you get a conspiracy?

253037 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Rowan, 8, #451 of 1714 🔗

You go to a restaurant on Saturday evening.

The bill comes back with a mistake in the restaurant’s favour. You query it.

“Oh sorry Sir, I’m really awful at arithmetic. What a stupid mistake”

The next Saturday the same thing – mistake in the restaurant’s favour.

“Oh sorry Sir …..”

…and so on for 52 weeks.

Amazing, the incompetence. Why can’t the restaurant employ people who can do simple arithmetic.

253157 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Rowan, #452 of 1714 🔗

If you mean how many before one gets to suspicion of a possible conspiracy, the answer is one might be enough. If you mean how many before one knows it is a conspiracy, the answer is no number would be sufficient.

252967 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #453 of 1714 🔗

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1328867717005389824

“France (lockdown)
Belgium (post-peak lockdown)
Switzerland (no national lockdown)

252981 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to swedenborg, 1, #454 of 1714 🔗

Ireland could fit in there as well?

253166 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ned of the Hills, #455 of 1714 🔗

My own NHS ward in Northern Ireland is on the same trajectory. Been in Lockdown since Oct 2nd.

253015 ▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, #456 of 1714 🔗

How is the UK on that graph?

253049 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to DRW, #457 of 1714 🔗

Here you go.

253022 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to swedenborg, 1, #458 of 1714 🔗

France went as nutty as UK for mass testing, so loads of false positives. Recently it stipulated only 3 categories of people could get tests. Result in the graph shown.
As far as real infections statistics are concerned, completely useless. Similar results in hospitals as UK, same sort of infections whilst on ward for other illness, but at least France does daily reports on hospital discharges which have been running higher than new admittances for some time. In fact to such an extent that I am wondering if they smuggling people in the back door to release through the front, doesn’t add up.
Euromomo z-chart for France shows a blip in excess deaths all sources in the last couple of weeks, but no more than other similar blips over the years. It has come a little earlier than normal , usually centering on mid-dec to mid jan, but the magnitude is less than normal years excess due to seasonal flu.
Absolutely everything points to this late autumn situation beingnothing out of the ordinary.

252969 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 9, #459 of 1714 🔗

6uild 6ack 6etter.

don t take their medicine, don t take their number.

253006 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to nickbowes, 1, #460 of 1714 🔗

Gematria :

LCH Kabbalah

191

Satanic

660

http://www.gematrinator.com/calculator/classic/index.php

252978 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 1, #461 of 1714 🔗

I had my flu vaccination yesterday, in West Oxfordshire, all very efficiently organised. Yes, masks were compulsory but I wasn’t too bothered about that. There were volunteers outside the local sports centre to take one’s temperature and ask the standard questions. All via a one-way system into the centre.
These included an egg allergy or bad reactions to a previous shot.
You then sanitised your hands, held up the letter inviting you to have the shot. Then put the letter in a tray.
Finally you proferred the preferred shoulder and one of the two nurses present very quickly gave the jab. Then you left via the rear exit. All in all less than 5 minutes. Apparently my age group (51-69) are being called late this year because the 69+ group had a different strain of vaccine.
A friend of my mother’s by contrast who lives in Hertfordshire was made to queue up outside her GP surgery for 90 minutes in the pouring rain for her flu jab. No apology offered, needless to say.

252994 ▶▶ davews, replying to Gladiatrix, 1, #462 of 1714 🔗

Well mine was just as efficient, just that it was done on the steps outside the surgery and I wasn’t allowed to go inside….

253007 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Gladiatrix, 18, #463 of 1714 🔗

I’m not really sure why people are having flu jabs when incidences of flu appear to have reduced by 97% this year?

253036 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 5, #464 of 1714 🔗

Last year the flu vaccine was 17% effective.

The Government is very happy with the increase in the number of people that got the flu vaccine this year. They now say that people will just be as happy to get the mRNA Covid-19 vaccine, the one that changes your DNA

253039 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 3, #465 of 1714 🔗

. Last year the flu vaccine was 17% effective.

The Government is very happy with the increase in the number of people that got the flu vaccine this year. They now say that people will just be as happy to get the mRNA Covid-19 vaccine, the one that changes your DNA

253043 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, #466 of 1714 🔗

Because they’ve just stopped testing for it.

253250 ▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to leggy, #467 of 1714 🔗

I had the flu shot for the first time last year, and I do think it aided my immune system in dealing with Covid-19 which I had in March. Felt generally grotty, scratchy throat, cough and loss of taste/smell for about 10 days. My mother, in one of the vulnerable groups, also had last year’s shot and was ill for one day (spent in bed) in March.

253052 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Gladiatrix, 1, #468 of 1714 🔗

I had mine the other week, able to sit in waiting room. Minor correction the different vaccine is given to those over 65 or will be 65 before the end of March.

253076 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Gladiatrix, 9, #469 of 1714 🔗

No freekin way am I having a flu jab. Never had one, NEVER will.

252980 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 10, #470 of 1714 🔗

Here’s a fact –
Deaths of covid in public services*
Total staff -v- deaths
Councils 954423/34
NHS 910465/59
Police & fire services 153819/1
Universities 332761/6

*Data taken from over 671 FOI requests made to 25 sectors of government.

Full dataset @ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lyo0Jrhf9xSr6LzzB-2A4KaSkW20QuFU/view

252998 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, 3, #471 of 1714 🔗

That is very interest. Can’t seem to open the dataset.

I am still constantly told thousands of nurses and doctors have died in the UK.

253008 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, 3, #472 of 1714 🔗

Indeed, specifically police and fire services who I assume have been working throughout.

I’ll double check the link. Data has been verified though.

253059 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 1, #473 of 1714 🔗

I was told 600 NHS staff, by someone who works in the NHS.

253149 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, #474 of 1714 🔗

Six hundred sounds like a nice round, neat number.

253160 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, #475 of 1714 🔗

This has been touted as fact on LBC radio often.

252990 Will, 2, #476 of 1714 🔗

Thanks to Rob Tyson for transcribing Dr Craig’s interview. Invaluable stuff.

252991 Darryl, 7, #477 of 1714 🔗

I do wonder if the vast majority of the compliant subservient public realise it is highly probably that they will be digitally marked in the near future. I don’t think people realise quite how advanced the technology is and there will be far more advanced technologies in development in the US military / Silicon Valley labs.

Who Wants A Google Tattoo?? The Great Reset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-UulGmCBm8

252997 Mark, replying to Mark, 12, #478 of 1714 🔗

“Noam Chomsky said, “Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.””

It ain’t rocket science, but it seems to be beyond most Labour Party apparatchiks, members, and supporters, and all their political correctness collaborators in other parties.

Not David Ferguson, evidently – magnificent letter.

253057 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 10, #479 of 1714 🔗

I think if you asked a lot of people if they were in favour of free speech they would say definitely yes. If you then asked them (maybe on a different day so they didn’t smell a rat) if they thought a given example of some bit of speech likely to upset or offend them in some way should be allowed, a lot of those same people would say no. I don’t think a lot of people really understand the concept.

253066 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #480 of 1714 🔗

Yes, I think you are absolutely correct on that. And it applies to some surprisingly intelligent people as well.

It’s one of those principles that is fundamentally counter-intuitive for humans. We have to actually work to maintain it in our heads, and we have to work to apply it every time we encounter speech we find uncomfortable, to overcome the natural human urge to forbid.

253090 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mark, 2, #481 of 1714 🔗

I agree, any civil society should continually train the public that free speech means tolerating opinions that you do not agree with. However, with the advent of political correctness and hate speech the media/ establishment have trained the public to believe in censorship and repressing speech we don’t agree with.

Ironically, the same people in favour of hate speech will eventually encounter circumstances where their opinions are now hate speech. It may be too late until they understand the error of there ways.

JK Rowling being the most recent example https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2018/02/jk-rowling-created-army-liberals-now-they-are-turning-against-her

253120 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JHuntz, 3, #482 of 1714 🔗

Yes, old leftist feminists targeted by trans fanatics sit next to Labour apparatchiks accused of “antisemitism”, as people who are basically getting back a little of what they (in general, obviously, there might be some unfortunate exceptions who had not gone along with the pc ideological flow of the their movements) have dished out to “sexists” and “racists” and “homophobes” in the past few decades.

Schadenfreude is hard to avoid…

253074 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 1, #483 of 1714 🔗

I think the same is probably true for democracy. Most people would say yes but deep down they want their side to win even if it involves stuffing a few ballot boxes – see the Labour party for details.

253084 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 1, #484 of 1714 🔗

It is called cant. They know what the socially correct answer is and they assert it even though they are opposed to it. The big giveaway is: “I am of course in favour of free speech, but…” As soon as they utter the word “but”, it is obvious they are totally opposed to freedom of expression.

253012 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #485 of 1714 🔗

Link to the Portuguese ruling on PCR

http://www.dgsi.pt/jtrl.nsf/33182fc732316039802565fa00497eec/79d6ba338dcbe5e28025861f003e7b30

So glad to see this, the first one of many and backs up the case being brought against Dorsten et al in Germany.

253018 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to BeBopRockSteady, #486 of 1714 🔗

Not being thick but is there a translation?

253025 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., #487 of 1714 🔗

Sorry was being thick, Google translated it. DOH!

253016 Ned of the Hills, 3, #488 of 1714 🔗

Re. the piece under:- “What Was That About Twice as Many Deaths, Sir Patrick?”
At least up to the 21st November mortality rates are going to be what they were going to be anyway as the lockdown can have no impact on them.

The figures will provide a good measure of how accurate were the forecasts presented on the 31st October. Those predictions that rushed us in to a lockdown.

Well now that a CRG has come in to existence in Parliament no doubt if there are good grounds for concluding the soothsayers should be put out of a job we will know!

253017 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #489 of 1714 🔗

Self isolating or going into hiding?

I have a vision of them being evacuated from the roof of number 10 by a Huey

A Covidkong tank flying a #KBF flag smashes through the front gates of Downing Street

Princess nut nuts screaming hysterically that she wants to go back and rescue her collection of unicorns. Whitty jabs her in the buttock with something that would knock out a horse, she continues to bullshit

The brain damage pig dictator is on the deck of a Chinese aircraft carrier in the English channel. He looks skyward in anticipation, waiting for his set meal for four to be delivered by Just Eat

The Handy ”that’s a really good question Julia’ Cock is still bleating on Talk Radio as they ‘forgot’ to tell him the bus was leaving

Get the re education camps ready

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54985232

253045 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 11, #490 of 1714 🔗

I am simply flabbergasted that the government and MSM are continuing to get away with murder (literally). There is no justice high enough to punish them for what they have done.

Shame on all of us for not having strung them up already. Violence is never a solution, but in all honesty given the scale of their crimes they deserve the most bestial punishments imaginable.

253178 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 2, #491 of 1714 🔗

What the Government is doing is violence. Children have killed themselves because of lockdown

253048 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, 2, #492 of 1714 🔗

The workings of your brain Cecil are a constant source of amazement (and slightly disturbing 🙂 )

253286 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to CGL, 3, #493 of 1714 🔗

I crave approval, so is that an uptick or a down tick?

253292 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, #494 of 1714 🔗

Oh definitely an uptick.

253023 George L, replying to George L, 5, #495 of 1714 🔗

At the end of the day you only have to go on https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/#map-of-z-scores to see what a scam this is. The flu season of 2017/18 shows the covid has no clothes..

253064 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to George L, 4, #496 of 1714 🔗

It makes we wonder how we get out of this.

The actual data doesn’t support a lockdown. Only computer models of the future. The models have been debunked (see Sweden). What level of evidence will they require? The only people that believe Ferguson’s modelling are Ferguson, Ferguson’s Mum and SAGE.

253072 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, #497 of 1714 🔗

And those computer models of the future have been repeatedly shown to be wrong by what actually happens. We are supposed to having four thousand COVID 19 deaths a day according only last month’s prediction projection computer model generated make believe.

253078 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #498 of 1714 🔗

and the 80,000 deaths for Sweden which turned out to be 3,300 excess deaths (this year so far). At what point do they say ‘models wrong different approach needed’? If cv19 settles down to be a seasonal virus like CV1-4 then we will be going through this pantomime every winter

253081 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #499 of 1714 🔗

Ive just emailed my MP to ask the performance indicators to get out of this lockdown. He will get back because he got back to every one of my other (numerous emails). He also promised me he was against lockdown2, 1 week before voting for it!

253077 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to steve_w, 1, #500 of 1714 🔗

I’m hoping that the distribution of lateral flow tests to 67 regions of the U.K. will be the answer. If the same thing happens as happened in Liverpool, then the numbers of those testing positive will fall off a cliff within the next couple of weeks.

253085 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Margaret, 2, #501 of 1714 🔗

Will it matter if Government ignore the results, just as they have in Liverpool?

253103 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #502 of 1714 🔗

Figures are falsified,exaggerated or ignored If they don’t fit the narrative.lockdown has always been a political decision for nefarious ends.

253177 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Margaret, 1, #503 of 1714 🔗

This is not about a virus

253158 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George L, #504 of 1714 🔗

I showed this to a lockdown lover and they pointed to the fact that in Northern Ireland the deaths are trending up towards the higher ranges. And expected that to be some kind of argument for panic.

I had to point out that on the very same graph there was a massive spike in 2018 and we were nowhere near that and what he was scared about was the normal seasonal rise in respiratory and viral related illnesses. Excruciating stuff.

253032 wat tyler, 10, #505 of 1714 🔗

Richard Tice has been on Mike Graham talk radio this morning questioning the P C R test again .It’s building up folks .

253034 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #506 of 1714 🔗

Morning All

There’s some scary shit in this –

BREAKING: Josh Hawley Uncovers SECRET Facebook Content Monitoring…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBJx9kqa9bc

253050 ▶▶ calchas, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #507 of 1714 🔗

I’d fall off my chair with surprise if it turned out that that wasn’t done-

253060 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to calchas, 2, #508 of 1714 🔗

Yes – but it’s nice to see him squirm isn’t it

253094 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to CGL, 1, #509 of 1714 🔗

It is.

253038 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 9, #510 of 1714 🔗

I have tried with my sister to get her to see sense but nothing works. The last time we spoke she said, “I know a few people with it now”. Even IF they have it, so what? My response was, this time of year we often hear about lots of people with the lurgy but we don’t go into panic mode, as long as millions aren’t dying I wouldn’t worry. She told me to meditate as I need to calm down. I wish to god it was as simple as sitting crossed legs with my eyes shut and all this bull shit would go away!.

253065 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mrs issedoff, 21, #511 of 1714 🔗

I keep being told to “calm down”. Like I’m getting angry about some piffling thing. If you can’t get sodding angry about what is being done to us at the moment, I don’t know when you can.

253073 ▶▶▶ Thumb, replying to kh1485, 8, #512 of 1714 🔗

It is just a shame that we don’t have a vaccine for stupidity.

253252 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Thumb, 2, #513 of 1714 🔗

It’s coming, and to an idiot near you soon. I cannot but think, when occasionally I cannot but converse with a bedwetter, that they are the real targets of the Great Resetters. They are turkeys voting for Christmas.

253792 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Thumb, #514 of 1714 🔗

‘ Never argue with an idiot, they will always drag you down to their level and beat you with experience’ Mark Twain

253092 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to kh1485, 6, #515 of 1714 🔗

I honestly thought that the mask thing would fizzle out after a month as they are so uncomfortable and disgusting but no…. then I thought anything negatively hurting your children would do it but no…. I think powercuts meaning no telly might finally do it? 🤞

253118 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #516 of 1714 🔗

I think they wont go for straight power cuts but they will ration power via the smart meters to ‘save’ us from power cuts so you only have enough power to watch TV. Maybe if your sufficiently obedient a cup of tee or two may be permitted.

253170 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to KBuchanan, #517 of 1714 🔗

Power cuts means the Government’s propaganda stops

253138 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 5, #518 of 1714 🔗

I have exactly the same from my family. And then they abruptly change the subject!

There is a difference between anger and rage. Rage that lashes out against arbitrary targets is counter-productive; anger can be focussed. Focussed anger effects change.
Stay angry, kh, and remain confident that your anger can help ensure humanity prevails.

253079 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Mrs issedoff, 6, #519 of 1714 🔗

The Patronising Know-It-All’s. Met many of them on this never-ending journey. You know what shuts them up? Questions. Ask them really pertinent, evidence-based questions, and have your answers ready. Quite satisfying really when they look at you, gone out, and with nothing to come back at you with!

253089 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to HelenaHancart, 5, #520 of 1714 🔗

Favourite question:

“So, what is the official figure for covid deaths in the UK?”

Another good one:

How many asymtomatic diseases have you had?

253095 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #521 of 1714 🔗

I sympathise – I’ve had this problem too, for a while now, because with the increase in the number of ‘positive tests’ the number of people who know someone who ‘has it’ also increases. Exponentially!

253105 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mrs issedoff, 5, #522 of 1714 🔗

“I know a few people with it now”

The answer is “So what?”

Public health policy costing billions and destroying the country needs to be based on something more than that

253126 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, #523 of 1714 🔗

Two hundred billion on taxpayer support to people to not work.

NICE has a formula for assessing how much money should be spent on saving lives. It is less than twenty thousand pounds for each year of perfect health.

How many QALYs would the government’s responses to the virus have to save to make even that two hundred billion a sensible use of public money on the NICE criterion? (I used the word even because the employment support expenditure is just one item in a long list.)

253153 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 1, #524 of 1714 🔗

Have you noticed some swanning around in the Summer talking about how this was all just a storm in a tea cup. Maybe even talking about herd immunity. But seasonal viruses have a tendency to be, well, seasonal.

They’ve now retreated because they know someone whose had it and read about a family who had two members die with Covid.

Such people go whatever way the winds blow. I find them even more pathetic than the lockdown lovers to be honest. They are completely without any substance

253112 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mrs issedoff, 4, #525 of 1714 🔗

Reply with:

What is a case?

If it’s so deadly why do people have to be tested to see if they have it or not?

If it’s so deadly why are people who test positive told to stay home?

What about politicians who have shares in vaccine manufacturers?

Do you want to live the rest of your life like this?

And finally…

My rights don’t end where your fear begins

253054 Mark, 4, #526 of 1714 🔗

Great piece and very encouraging, but I know what will come back if I use that in discussion:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-11/13/c_139512147.htm

Anyone know the truth on that?

253061 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #527 of 1714 🔗

And here you have someone who looks and sounds like Bill Gates making a presentation to the CIA, where he discusses individuals with low levels of a V-MaT-2 gene as shown via PCR testing. Such low levels demonstrate someone who is non-fanatical, unlikely to be attracted to terrorism. Those who have the opposite characteristics demonstrate high levels of the gene.

He advocates immunising against the V-Mat-2 gene and reducing the population susceptibility to terrorist ideas in the middle east.

Taken in 2005

https://www.bitchute.com/video/auKxWnwJjhAQ/

253075 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #528 of 1714 🔗

Not convinced that is Bill Gates, but it is the type of thing he and his eugenics supporting Dad would have been fans of. I personally think parts of his TED talk which has been viewed by millions is pretty sinister.

The clip in this video at (21.20) https://www.bitchute.com/video/AwTbrI3T9UzA/ where he is talking about CO2 and population control should concern people. He is always given an easy time in MSM interviews.

253067 Tom Blackburn, 6, #530 of 1714 🔗

Just had my FPL team name – Covidiots United – flagged as offensive 🤷‍♂️

253068 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 16, #531 of 1714 🔗

At this stage I am impressed that Boris can somehow slip further down in my estimations, but we now have the following comment reported:-

During a Zoom call with around 60 northern Conservative MPs on Monday evening, the prime minister described devolution as “Tony Blair’s biggest mistake”.

So I am presuming the Iraq war for faux WMDs which resulted in c.1.2M dead was second in Boris’s opinion or is even that high up? What a disgrace this man is.

253088 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to JHuntz, 3, #532 of 1714 🔗

So true.

And whom leaked this comment from the private meeting and why ? Another chatty rat or a controlled leak for distraction purposes ?

253096 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JHuntz, 3, #533 of 1714 🔗

I disagree.Devolution will ultimately destroy the Union.
Blair didn’t cause the Iraq war.Remember the USA would have attacked anyway with or without us.
I agree both of them are a disgrace and 2 of the worst prime ministers in our history.

253117 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #534 of 1714 🔗

Agree the USA was entering regardless. However, he needlessly included us and is therefore complicit in the deaths. It is in my opinion without a doubt his greatest mistake.

I think the breakdown of the union pales in comparison.

253083 Basics, replying to Basics, -1, #535 of 1714 🔗

A slightly different image of schwab in his secret society garb with symbols visible. No idea what and why and who. Just remember elizabeth 2 hrh knighted the fucker.

https://twitter.com/Jimcorrsays/status/1329009379593621506?s=20

“This is the frontman behind the Great Reset, which is the real agenda behind the covid exaggeration hoax.

And yes, those are his clothes Down pointing backhand index
Quote Tweet
Louise Pereira
@LaoisePereira
· 1h
Is Klaus Schwab best known as the founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum or the Villain from the upcoming Marvel movie?”

See image on tweet.

253087 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Basics, 2, #536 of 1714 🔗

I do find it extremely odd that someone who could dress like this, could be taken seriously by anyone

253800 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to CGL, 1, #537 of 1714 🔗

His ‘idea’ is we should all become The Borg… daft twat!

253111 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, #538 of 1714 🔗

It looks satanic

253140 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #539 of 1714 🔗

it does

any symbol experts out there?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnGURInW4AIlOt2?format=jpg

253939 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #540 of 1714 🔗

black sun

253086 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #541 of 1714 🔗

This is from my online vaccination course, if anyone says that CoViD19 is worse than flu.

Influenza:

History

In the last 100 years, there have been four influenza pandemics:

1918 with c. 50 million deaths or more
1957 with about 2 million deaths
1968 with about 1-2 million deaths
2009 with about a quarter of a million deaths
The disease occurs mainly in the winter months, in both northern and southern hemispheres.

Some infected people do not have symptoms. Those with symptoms typically have a sudden onset of fever, malaise, sore throat, cough, headache and muscle pains.

Children may be hospitalised because the symptoms are similar to sepsis. Secondary bacterial pneumonia and convulsions are relatively common. Myocarditis and encephalitis may also occur.

Children and adults with underlying medical conditions are more likely to have severe complications and die from influenza, however, half of the children who die were previously well.

During flu pandemics, the elderly may be less likely to get ‘flu and mortality is relatively high in the fit and healthy.

Disease due to the C strain tends to be less severe.

Not only are pregnant women themselves at increased risk of mortality and morbidity if they catch ‘flu, but the baby is more likely to be born early and of low birth weight. Perinatal mortality is higher.

Vaccine programme

Influenza vaccine should be offered to all those aged 6 months or more in high risk groups, all those aged 65 years or older and healthy children in certain age groups.

At risk groups include:

Chronic respiratory disease
Chronic heart disease
Chronic kidney disease
Chronic liver disease
Chronic neurological disease
Learning disability
Diabetes
Splenic dysfunction or asplenia
A weakened immune system due to disease or treatment
Morbidly obese (defined as BMI of 40 and above)
All pregnant women
The vaccine is also indicated for:

People living in long-stay residential care homes or other long-stay facilities
Those who receive a carer’s allowance, or who are the main carer of an older or disabled person whose welfare may be at risk if the carer falls ill
Health and social care staff in direct contact with patients who are at increased risk from flu
Residential contacts of those who are immunocompromised
Residential contacts of those on the NHS Shielded Patient list

This is for pertussis (whooping cough), note the symptoms for adults in the last paragraph
Also immunity is not life long.
Pertussis

Clinical features

First symptoms are indistinguishable from an upper respiratory infection. This stage may last up to 2 weeks.

The next stage is of bouts (paroxysms) of coughing. The paroxysms may end in an inspiratory whoop (see below). During this stage, babies may develop pneumonia, or have convulsions or intracranial haemorrhage and/or develop brain damage. These complications are more likely in young children and most deaths are in babies less than 6 months old. This stage usually lasts 2 weeks. Babies may not have paroxysms or the typical whoop.

Over the following weeks the paroxysms settle, but can be set off again by a viral upper respiratory tract infection.

Immunity following infection is not lifelong.

Pertussis was rarely considered in the differential diagnosis of cough in adults, but it is now known to be an important cause of cough lasting longer than 7 days. The lack of recognition was probably due to the fact that pertussis in adults often only manifests as a cough without the characteristic whoop.

253102 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 1, #542 of 1714 🔗

Bear in mind too that the figures above for the various pandemics are not adjusted for population so earlier ones will actually be considerably higher when adjusted

253163 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #543 of 1714 🔗

Yes, when I worked it out the numbers from the ’57 and ’68 flu pandemics need to be roughly doubled, iirc, to account for pop increase.

253107 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to p02099003, #544 of 1714 🔗

Interesting to see the comment “some infected people do not have symptoms”. I had always understood that to be the case, one of the reasons why I do now have a flu jab so I reduce (yes, I know) the chances of passing it on to my parents.

Also interested by “during flu pandemics, the elderly may be less likely to get ‘flu and mortality is relatively high in the fit and healthy.” Why are the elderly less likely to get it? Is it because people naturally take greater precautions around older folk if they aware of a pandemic?

253110 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #545 of 1714 🔗

Half the human race has H-Pylori which causes stomach cancer. Perhaps the Covid Cabal should have seized on that opportunity instead

253130 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ben, 1, #546 of 1714 🔗

No doubt PYLORI-22 has already been gamed out.

253466 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, #547 of 1714 🔗

I think it’s often because they’ve been exposed to a similar strain in the past and so have some immunity. That’s what seemed to happen with the 1957 strain – anyone who had Spanish flu and survived was thought to have cross immunity.

253108 ▶▶ Ben, replying to p02099003, 1, #548 of 1714 🔗

Influenza usually takes on average 600,000 lives every year. The 2009 Swine Flu took half of that

The 2018 flu outbreak overwhelmed hospitals, especially in the US

The World Health Organisation changed the definition of the word ‘pandemic’ in 2009 after pressure from Pharma companies. Why would they do that?

See Reiner Fuellmich

253194 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 1, #549 of 1714 🔗

Follow the donations money that flow into the terrorist WHO.

253091 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 38, #550 of 1714 🔗

Beware of the wolf in sheep’s clothing!

Beware of those that are open to criticising the stupid govt plans for lockdowns and masks but are happy for coerced vaccinations of people.

I refer to Prof Karol Sikora regarding vaccinations being required for travel and work “if the immunity lasts”
This is how they get those who are against this all to accept “freedom passes”

Reject this notion!
No coerced vaccines. No lockdowns. No mandatory masks etc!

253099 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBigman, 4, #551 of 1714 🔗

I am shocked if he really said that – it seems out of character for him

253732 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Julian, 1, #552 of 1714 🔗

He is the pretend/tame sceptic of the Daily Express. Every single column that he writes is stuffed with pro-lockdown shite.

253104 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TheBigman, 8, #553 of 1714 🔗

Agreed. I do not trust him. He is given a MSM platform for a reason. Likewise James Melville and others who have been anti-lockdown for months but who have suddenly endorsed the vaccines. How do they sleep at night?

253137 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Lefty, replying to Ben, #554 of 1714 🔗

Because you can be anti-lockdown but not anti-vaxx

253141 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptical Lefty, 15, #555 of 1714 🔗

And you can be against Covid vaccines by coercion or force and not be anti vax

I will resist as long as possible. I cannot foretell the future but I hope I have the strength.

253093 Ben, replying to Ben, 7, #556 of 1714 🔗

The screenshot of a collage of Twitter messages produced by bots included in this Twitter thread is astounding:

https://twitter.com/BareReality/status/1329015519664611329?s=20

253098 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Ben, 3, #557 of 1714 🔗
253100 duncanpt, replying to duncanpt, 3, #558 of 1714 🔗

Hospital Covid:
I’m due into hospital for carpal tunnel surgery next week. As reported by others, I’m required to have a Covid test a few days ahead and to self-isolate. This is for a 30-minute minor op under local anaesthetic – apparently I have to go through the upgraded pathway because the surgeon and theatre will be doing major hip replacements for the rest of the day and so lower level precautions are out.

Much as I dislike the idea, I’m having to go along with it as the carpal problem is driving me nuts and I want to get it done asap (it was scheduled originally for just after the start of Lockdown 1). Presumably the test will be PCR so I’m hoping I don’t come up as false positive and go to the back fo the queue again.

Needless to say, being a thorough-going sceptic, I am suffering from considerable cognitive dissonance over all these precautions for a largely invisible disease. But is part of the message that we’ve been too casual in the past about introducing flu etc into hospitals, or is it that we really are going over the top now? My feeling is the latter. And that another part of the message is that hospitals and our wonderful NHS ™ is not that good at infection prevention and control. Especially since they started using disposable plastic PPE some years back and assumed it’s a panacea.

PS: Fans of Holby City may be wondering like me if their mask discipline in last night’s episode is typical of the NHS – masks pulled up and down, dangling from the ears, under the chin etc. Traditionally the show has tried to be as realistic and true to life as possible, at least on the medical side. (The management and appointments system on the other hand is total fiction.)

253145 ▶▶ chaos, replying to duncanpt, 2, #559 of 1714 🔗

Strange business nerve entrapment.. I say that as someone who has had nerve entrapment surgery (not on wrists) and also injections for carpal tunnel… in cadevers nerves are often squished, frayed, pinched.. follow torturous routes.. yet those people mostly never complained of nerve entrapment symptoms when they were alive. So do some feel nerve damage more or is something else going on? It’s likely to do with inflammation.. try some glycine powder… it’s sweet and cheap.. we are deficient in it.. the surgery I had elsewhere did seem to fix the issue.. but certain supps and gentle exercise and massage got rid of the carpal tunnel.

Good luck.

253162 ▶▶ Ben, replying to duncanpt, 1, #560 of 1714 🔗

The PCR tests are the biggest actor in this crime against humanity

All you can do is express yourself. If you feel fine, but you test positive and your treatment is cancelled, blame the NHS and sue the PCR test manufacturers

I read that Portugal has scrapped the use of PCR tests. A brave move. No doubt the Covid Cabal will lean on Portugal

If this was about health then no NHS treatments would have been cancelled

253474 ▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to Ben, 1, #561 of 1714 🔗

Unfortunately, Portugal hasn’t scrapped the use of PCR tests yet. There was only a decision by an appeals court which concluded that PCR is unreliable and cannot be used to determine if someone is infected for the purpose of house arrest of the PCR-positive person and confinement of contacts. We are currently in a “state of emergency” with curfews and other idiotic restrictions because the hospitals ‘might’ become overwhelmed.

253541 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to jrsm, 2, #562 of 1714 🔗

What a nightmare this is

To think that half the population believes their government is intensely depressing. Stupidity is pulling us all into the abyss

253174 ▶▶ Julian, replying to duncanpt, #563 of 1714 🔗

If you refuse point blank to be tested, can they refuse to treat you?

253101 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 24, #564 of 1714 🔗

A transcription for anyone who wants it. We’re going to share it widely:

Dr. Roger Hodkinson, tells Government officials in Alberta’s Community and Public Services Committeethat this is the ‘Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on an Unsuspecting Public (secretly recorded on 13 November).

I do appreciate the opportunity to address you on this very important matter. What I’m going to say is lay-language and blunt. It’s counter-narrative and so you don’t immediately think I’m a quack I’m going to briefly outline my credentials so that you can understand where I’m coming from in terms of knowledge-base in all this. I’m a medical specialist in pathology which includes virology. I trained at Cambridge University in the UK, I’m the ex-President of the pathology section of the Medical Association. I was previously an assistant professor in the Faculty of Medicine, doing a lot of teaching. I was the chairman of the Royal of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee in Pathology in Ottowa. But more to the point, I am currently the Chairman of a bio-technology company in North Carolina selling the CV19 test. And you might say I know a little bit about all this.

The bottom line is simply this:

There is utterly unfounded public hysteria, driven by the media and politicians. It’s outrageous! This it the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus, other than protecting older and more vulnerable people. It should be thought of as nothing more than a bad flu season. This is not Ebola. It’s not SARS. It’s politics playing medicine and that’s a very dangerous game. There is no action of any kind needed other than what happened last year when we felt unwell. We stayed home, we ate chicken noodle soup, we didn’t visit Granny and *we* decided when we would return to work. We didn’t need anyone to tell us.

Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.

Social-distancing is also useless because Covid is spread by aerosols which travel 30m or so before landing. And closures have such terrible unintended consequences. Everywhere should be open tomorrow as was stated in the Great Barrington Declaration which I circulated prior to this meeting.

And a word on testing: I do want to emphasise that, I’m in the business of testing for Covid. I do want to emphasise that positive test results DO NOT, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection. It’s simply driving public hysteria and all testing should stop unless you’re presenting to hospital with some respiratory problem.

All that should be done is to protect the vulnerable and to give them all, in the nursing homes that are under your control, give them all 3-5000 iu of Vitamin D every day, which has been shown to radically reduce the likelihood of infection.

And I would remind you all, using the Province’s own statistics, the risk of death under 65 in this Province is 1 in 300,000 (he repeats this)*. You’ve got to get a grip on this, the scale of the response that you’re undertaking with no evidence for it is utterly ridiculous, given the consequences of acting in the way that you’re proposing. All kinds of suicides, business closures, funerals,weddings, etc, etc. It’s simply outrageous!

It’s just another bad flu! And you’ve got to get your minds around that. Let people make their own decisions. You should be totally out of the business of medicine. You’re being led down the garden path by the Chief Medical Officer of Health of this Province. I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level. It should all stop tomorrow. Thank you very much.
https://medmaldoctors.ca/dr-roger-hodkinson/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/hWPjDdXOWkOo/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?ab_channel=AgentFearlessCanuckGivvin%27erSpoonz&feature=emb_logo&v=uEo3rnU12jw&app=desktop

Alberta is trying to mandate masks for everyone over 2 in public places.

* Age UK says that under 60, you are more likely to die from accidental drowning

MW

253115 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #565 of 1714 🔗

Given that stat from Age UK I think it is necessary to closes all open water sources from the public. Also, if people could forego baths for showers and preferably keep the water pressure low #accidentaldrowninglivesmatter

253223 ▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #566 of 1714 🔗

Good afternoon Miriam,

Interesting background on Dr Hodkinson

New firm offers ‘malpractice check’ to investigate if patients died from to preventable mistakes Doctors working for an Alberta-based firm will first interview patients or relatives, then analyze medical charts in detail to determine if someone was harmed by a preventable mistake
https://nationalpost.com/health/new-firm-offers-malpractice-check-to-investigate-if-patients-died-from-to-preventable-mistakes

Kindest regards

Simon

253399 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Simon Cook, #567 of 1714 🔗

Thanks Simon. A cynic might say this is likely to be a fast-growing market! MW

253114 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 27, #568 of 1714 🔗

It is now crystal clear that Hancock, Gove, Johnson, Whitty, Vallance and SAGE are not going to change direction, will not listen to alternative views and are impervious to criticism and ridicule. They are too far invested into their version of the Schlieffen Plan and cannot/will not admit they are wrong.

All of us here and sceptical journalists newspapers and scientists are wasting our time trying to convince these people to change course.

The only relevant question now is how can we can get Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance out of office. This is the only way this madness will end.

253122 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to flyingjohn, 6, #569 of 1714 🔗

i don`t think the utterly useless Tory Party have any intention of winning any future elections.

253251 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to nickbowes, 1, #570 of 1714 🔗

Seems that way and it’s a mystery to me why Cummings thought lockdown immiseration is the way to the electorate’s heart. Presumably another example of Polling Induced State of Hypnosis.

253129 ▶▶ RickH, replying to flyingjohn, 3, #571 of 1714 🔗

You’re obviously right about any change in direction – it ain’t going to happen. When you look at the figures I’ve just posted, it is easy to see that the current situation is based on a total fiction and has departed any sense of a rationale. They’ve firmly decided to cross the Rubicon from stupidity to willful deception.

But, getting them out of office? The ‘opposition’ isn’t going to do it, and I bet the Tory rebels will buckle, too.

253133 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to flyingjohn, 4, #572 of 1714 🔗

And I think many of the analysts know this now. Grpahs and commentary have utterly failed to make them change course.

To the streets it is.

253156 ▶▶ Ben, replying to flyingjohn, 3, #573 of 1714 🔗

Labour are worse, unfortunately

253184 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Ben, 3, #574 of 1714 🔗

Now that Jeremy Corbyn has lost the labour whip and is an independent will he listen to his brother?

253161 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to flyingjohn, 3, #575 of 1714 🔗

There is only one way and it requires the 70 Tories in the CRG, and possibly a few more on the fringe, to submit letters to the 1922 Committee to precipitate a leadership challenge. Is there a current and credible stalking horse? Yes, possibly in Mark Harper (he stood in the Tory leadership challenge that gave the country Doris).

253239 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to flyingjohn, 5, #576 of 1714 🔗

Support populist parties committed to removing lockdowns and opposing globalism. Never again vote for the Lib-Lab-Con…or SNP for that matter (but they have found a way of successfully posing as populists while being in the globalists’ pocket!).

253531 ▶▶ Ben, replying to flyingjohn, #577 of 1714 🔗

Our lives are being destroyed for Valance’s shares

253116 Ben, replying to Ben, 51, #578 of 1714 🔗
253168 ▶▶ PAM, replying to Ben, 1, #579 of 1714 🔗

A competent Captain steers the ship away from the rocks, not into them. This Government (?) has, I perceive foundered the ship it seems to me.

253246 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to PAM, 7, #580 of 1714 🔗

I don’t think we even have a captain, just a cheerleader for the autopilot.

253285 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to DRW, 2, #581 of 1714 🔗

That’s very good.

253187 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 2, #582 of 1714 🔗

That’s sick!

253121 RickH, 13, #583 of 1714 🔗

I have to say, that the analysis (above) of the latest ONS mortality figures is far too easy on the government narrative :

yesterday’s Covid death toll for the whole of the UK was 598″

We don’t really know about ‘Covid’ deaths. Never have, never will – the whole issue is mired in a fog of supposition and inexactitude.

What we do know is all-cause mortality – the only definitive measure available by which we can judge the severity of any infection.

I regularly update my database of ONS weekly figures, which run from 1993 and are corrected for population. So what is the current situation of all-cause mortality in that quarter-century context, given that – according to government and the Chuckle Brothers – we are seeing a massive rise towards Armageddon (or Christmas as it used to be known)?

The Facts : Up to Week 30, the 2019-2020 winter/spring season (including the April spike) ranked 8th in the run of years from 1993/94 – at the 75th centile, even if above the recent run of low mortality.

From Week 31 (i.e the beginning of August to the beginning of November) – the period of an allegedly ‘exponential’ rise in the effects of a horrendous disease, the year ranks 15th in comparison with the preceding quarter-century. The rate is close to the median and mean for the period. The return from an infectious outbreak to normality is plain.

Wow! That’s horrific – that decrease in relative severity, isn’t it!? Average mortality , for Chrissake! Batten down the hatches! Get out your gas masks! Cancel Christmas! Stay inside!

This is truly the biggest con to be perpetrated on society at large.

253123 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 23, #584 of 1714 🔗

I feel bad for Stephen Lavin of course, but am I the only one who thinks it sounds like Glasgow RI have got it about right? Blanket testing of every patient for a disease of which they show no symptoms and poses them little to no risk seems like a complete waste of time and resources.

Covid is a nosocomial disease because that’s just it’s profile – any efforts we make to change that are futile in the long-run. And there’s no point in shaming the hospitals for this, especially because that just leads to them being petrified of admitting it (for example, a friend of mine who’s a new mother recently tried in vain to contact the maternity unit to warn them that she had caught covid there and the hospital just didn’t want to know and tried to convince her otherwise!)

Asking symptomatic staff to isolate makes the most sense – even if they test negative for covid then they still have the ‘flu or similar, so do we really want them back to work?! Staff levels and covid bureaucracy in the NHS at the moment are the leading factors in causing them to look as though they are “overwhelmed”. Perfectly healthy and able staff are having to isolate frequently – sometimes because they’re too scared(lazy), sometimes because someone’s child in their year group at school had a false positive test.

I really don’t want to see any patients being forced to wear face coverings, that are at least useless and potentially harmful. They don’t even make the actual covid patients wear them which should indicate precisely the need/desirability of this. In terms of infection control, if you’re in a hospital I advise you to put precisely nothing near your nose/mouth/eyes that’s not been sterilised, ever.

I think it’s absolutely revolting that the NHS are making covid tests compulsory and refusing treatment if you don’t want one. I certainly wouldn’t consent to be assaulted with a cotton swab unless it was actually to form part of my diagnosis. Not to mention the continual havoc being caused by all the false-positive PCR tests not giving a clear picture of who actually has it. I wonder if that’s partly why they no longer want to test the staff.

What’s next, a rabies test before you can have a mammogram? A TB test before you can see a physio? A leprosy test before you can have your tonsils out? Healthcare has gone bonkers. I saw it when I lived in Lambeth – I was constantly bullied at every opportunity by Healthcare workers to get a HIV test, despite having zero symptoms and zero risk factors! At one stage they wouldn’t even let you register for a GP without one. It may help to destigmatise the process for everyone but hardly a targeted use of valuable scarce resources.

At the same time, the NHS aren’t testing for actual simple life-saving things. For instance, strep-b is an infection that is potentially v dangerous for new babies. Approx 20-40% of women carry the bacteria and it is often passed on during childbirth. 1 in 1750 babies will develop an infection in the first week of life; of these 5% die and 7% are left with life changing disabilities. All Western countries routinely screen pregnant women so that they can decide if they want to take preventative measures or at least be vigilant. Our “beloved” NHS forces woman to pay for a private test or take a gamble. Yet they’re made to have an irrelevant covid test and cover their faces from their newborn babies in some bizarre ritual that helps no-one. Ok rant over.

253128 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #585 of 1714 🔗

To put in context, a baby dies every week in the UK for something that the NHS could easily test for.

Don’t think any have died from covid? Apart from the couple of poor little premature babies who were already very poorly.

253131 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #587 of 1714 🔗

Excellent comments. The idiocy unleashed by Covid Logic is scary. How do we reign it in?

253183 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #588 of 1714 🔗

Covid is a nosocomial disease…

They just changed the label… From 460BC – 2019 PNEUMONIA worked just fine!

They always change the label of PNEUMONIA when they need to use a fake pandemic to keep their jobs, boost profits of the Pharma Complex or just test new tools.

In this case of OPERATION COVID those 3 main reasons are at play.

253241 ▶▶ annie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #589 of 1714 🔗

A. newborn. baby. cannot. see. its. mother’s. face.
The Devil is king and lord and emperor.

253125 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 31, #590 of 1714 🔗

Not a comment, but I’d just like to say FUCK OFF Johnson.

253142 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #591 of 1714 🔗

Quite so – I keep thinking of that big imaginary button presented to the jury by Jack Lemmon in ‘How To Murder Your Wife’!

253159 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to IanE, 1, #592 of 1714 🔗

I love that film!

253227 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to IanE, 1, #593 of 1714 🔗

Or the trial scene in The Producers…

“Foreman of the jury, what is your verdict? ”

“Incredibly guilty!”

253127 calchas, 3, #594 of 1714 🔗

“Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, …..”

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

From the CDC – last updated 13th July 2020.

253132 PAM, replying to PAM, 15, #595 of 1714 🔗

Economy trashed,
Health system trashed,
Social fabric trashed,
Government trash trashed,
Education trashed,
Empathy trashed,

What’s not to like?

253180 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to PAM, #596 of 1714 🔗

But if it saves just one life……..

253197 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PAM, #597 of 1714 🔗

And best of all, ultimately we have done all this to ourselves, and will be paying the full price for our wilful neglect and ignorance for the rest of our lives.

This is only right and proper. We are continuously guilty of apportioning blame for all our problems to others, when all along the problem has been within each of us, individually. The same thinking needs to be applied to the solutions.

253135 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #598 of 1714 🔗

“it’s been the liberal left that has embraced the Covid narrative – and what it regards as the necessary suspension of our liberties – most enthusiastically.”

Yep, absolutely.
(Which is also why the CRG’s efforts are futile.)
And I would include the centre left and right into that group as well.
Which makes it so shocking and appalling to me, a former member of those tribes.
They were betraying and have now absconded their own core values.
And that’s the case everywhere.
Liberal Democracy is officially being abolished and turned into a fake democracy where all power lies with the executive in Germany today.

253199 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jay Berger, #599 of 1714 🔗

Agree with a lot of this but why are the CRG’s efforts futile? They would be appealing to people of all political persuasions who want to get back to normal and stop destroying the country. We may or may not be in a majority yet, but I am convinced we are more than just a small percentage now.

253146 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 6, #600 of 1714 🔗

I have a genuine question. It may be born out of ignorance but here goes. IF the whole country was vaccinated, i.e. injected with the virus, wouldn’t moonshot testing of everyone yield a positive result for everyone? If that is true then why do you need moonshot testing if there is a vaccine?

253212 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #601 of 1714 🔗

The risk of dying with the coronavirus is exactly the same as the risk of dying minus the virus. The virus has had zero effect on mortality.

253447 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #602 of 1714 🔗

Because conveniently, the vaccine won’t prevent illness in everyone, or stop us transmitting our deadly germs, therefore we will need “measures” forever.

253147 leggy, replying to leggy, 27, #603 of 1714 🔗

I thought I’d buy a copy of Schwab’s book on the Great Reset to see what they have in store for us. This is right there in the introduction:

Many of us are pondering when things will return to normal. The short response is: never.

That is key to all of this. The vast majority of the public think they’re getting their old lives back when this “blows over”. They won’t unless they do something about it. How can we get that message to people?

253148 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to leggy, 8, #604 of 1714 🔗

I do admire folk that waste no time in getting to the punchline.

253167 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to JHuntz, 3, #605 of 1714 🔗

No messing about. This is your future whether you like it or not (you probably won’t).

253210 ▶▶ judymilne, replying to leggy, 5, #606 of 1714 🔗

the times people say to me “2021 can’t be worse than 2020”, and I try to explain to them it could probably be a lot worse I’m just met with a pitying look.

253233 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 4, #607 of 1714 🔗

You could say that about any point in time. Normality is a relative term.

People will embrace every turn towards dystopia as “just one more thing”. Until its too late, see Lord Sumption.

The battle line is your individual freedom and identity. Do not compromise on that at all.

253308 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #608 of 1714 🔗

just as the jews unfortunately had to accept “just one more thing” …

253524 ▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 4, #609 of 1714 🔗

This one man is dictating how we should live. How did that happen?

253151 Ben, replying to Ben, 10, #610 of 1714 🔗

‘Build Back Better’ – Better for who?

‘The Great Reset’ – Great for who?

Humanity is in serious trouble:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1329018088919011328?s=20

253214 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 2, #611 of 1714 🔗

There was a lol moment when someone on here spelt it 6uild 6ack 6etter. I said it was like the moment in the Hammer Horror film when someone realises the name Alucard is Dracula spelt backwards. 🙂 That should give Marianna Springs-up-everywhere something to debunk.

253219 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to OKUK, #612 of 1714 🔗

If you check the official World Economic Forum slogan closely you might detect those numbers..

253260 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 1, #613 of 1714 🔗

better when/ great when?

253152 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 19, #614 of 1714 🔗

I have often felt like an alien and not at all part of society. Now I am sure this is the case.

Listening to BBC R4 a bit more just now. (My daily 10 minute blast)

The world they live in is totally different to the one I live in. The covid fairy tale is 100% real to them. They believe everything with absolutely no understanding of anything outside the official narrative.

However they all have the official narrative firmly in their grasp. They know all about it, so not stupid. I have listened to a number of branch covidians get to grips with the insanities of support bubbles and restrictions and use all the buzz-words with aplom. So well done them! They are obviously cleverer than me as I just cannot understand the rules on any level.

Their guests, the other reporters all of them just living the covid life in their covid bubbles.

It really is quite shocking to have this confirmed. Perhaps I am shocked because I hardly ever listen to their bullshit and when I hear it it reminds me of how far “we” have come. Incredible.

I have been left behind. Societal exclusion confirmed.

253165 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 7, #615 of 1714 🔗

I have often felt like, but society is complex and not (thankfully) represented solely by BBC R4. There are more sane people out there than sometimes appears to be the case.

253198 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Two-Six, 4, #616 of 1714 🔗

Plenty of people wearing masks etc are screaming inside.. knowing something is wrong.

253201 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 1, #617 of 1714 🔗

Very good points. But these are mostly pretty intelligent people. Just as they know there has been widespread corruption in the US elections, but refuse to report on it (because it disrupts the narrative) might they not be fully aware of all the contradictions in the official lockdown narrative but be deliberately avoiding exposing those to any really serious scrutiny.

253202 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Two-Six, 3, #618 of 1714 🔗

This is the BBC, for Christ sake, what did you expect? Stop getting disillusioned based on what mass media tells you.

253215 ▶▶ judymilne, replying to Two-Six, 1, #619 of 1714 🔗

, glad I’m not the only one!

254145 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #620 of 1714 🔗

Do you think a lot of us here are ‘misfits’ in some way or other? I have often said through the years that I don’t really fit in with any particular group – certainly never did at school. I can’t think when I have ever not felt alone, even when with a group or crowd of so-called friends (who I now find I have nothing in common with at all).

253155 Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #621 of 1714 🔗

This occurred to me because of a comment by ConstantBees below , about reading Thomas Frank’s fascinating book The People, No. I linked an interview by Frank, but he also says this in the course of the interview, which I think is hugely relevant to the coronapanic situation today. He was talking about the previous disaster of elite, technocratic rule, the Vietnam War era of “the best and the brightest”. What he says could apply directly to the current coronapanic:

Thomas Frank on Anti-Populism’s Surprising History

It’s so wrong, and also just shattered by reality. I mean within ten years. The Vietnam war is their great monument. They were going to run this war with a computer. Remember Robert McNamara sitting there in the Pentagon…running the Vietnam war with the Univac computer, and it’s a catastrophe. This vision of a technocracy, of a society run by these professional elites who are supposedly disinterested but in reality turn out never to be. They always act in their own class interest, always. It fails and fails and fails and fails. And it fails right up to the present day. We’re living through one of these … the coronavirus is this catastrophic failure of that system .”

Frank, as far as I’m aware, is a panicker – he makes the same mistake characteristic of the political left of assuming the error is not panicking soon, hard and efficiently enough. (Happy to be shown to be wrong on this.) But his point nevertheless stands. For the Vietnam era “best and brightest”, we have SAGE and their apologists and propagandists. For the univacs, we have modelling nonsense. And for the murderous catastrophe of war we have the medical, social and economic devastation that is lockdown.

And the resulting elite-driven technocratic disaster is every bit as bad, if not more so, as the Vietnam war.

253164 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #622 of 1714 🔗

Yes, among the many things enabling this shambles is technocracy run riot. Recent conversations I have had with a minor technocrat confirm this tendency to blindness.

253190 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 3, #623 of 1714 🔗

Definitely. And so much of what we are seeing now is straight from Vietnam era US.

Dissent silenced as “irresponsible”. Today, promoting noncompliance with precautions or not “taking it seriously”, then, anti-patriotic or pro-Communist. Protests forcefully crushed.

Censorship and secrecy hampering honest discussion. Experts giving blind faith to computers/models and keeping vital information secret. Lies used to maintain support. Systems proved wrong time after time, but still relied upon. Problems and failed predictions brushed under the carpet with insistence that “in just a few weeks, you’ll see”..

Definitely a case of failing to learn from history.

253245 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mark, 3, #624 of 1714 🔗

Nope..nothing even close. During the Vietnam war there were world wide protests against the war.They say that at one point 9 million people demonstrated against in in the US on one day.. We have nothing alike..The boot has been on our throats’ for months now and we are not doing anything about it. The compliance is almost total.

253276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Thomas_E, #625 of 1714 🔗

US involvement in the Vietnam war started to ramp up in the early 1960s under Kennedy. Mass protests didn’t really get going for a long time after that. The fact that the scale of later protests against the Vietnam was much greater is not relevant to the point made here.

Though I’m pretty confident that if lockdowns are still going in ten years we will be seeing protests that make the Vietnam ones look ordinary.

253185 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 3, #626 of 1714 🔗

Yep, definitely some parallels there especially since the government has been using the metaphor of war to describe its approach to the virus! Just as those billions spent on bombs and napalm could have been better spent on direct uplift of South Vietnamese peasants, so the hundreds of billions spent on furlough, test and trace, and vaccine development could have much better been spent on public health advice, specialist help for those feeling the need to shield, hospital & care home infection control and free distribution of Vitamin C and D.

253200 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, 2, #627 of 1714 🔗

Yes, they could have bought Vietnam a new economy, just as we could have given all the “vulnerable” a Rolls Royce shielding holiday, for a fraction of the cost.

253244 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #628 of 1714 🔗

Yes I think it’s a good point when arguing with lockdown advocates to get them to consider how else the money could have been spent and whether it might have provided better results

253277 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #629 of 1714 🔗

Opportunity cost is often a surprise to people, rather surprisingly.

253341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #630 of 1714 🔗

It is indeed surprising. If God were to give me another life, I should like to come back and design some courses for schools that taught some basic skills needed for making sense of the world we live in and for evaluating the behaviour of politicians and others – basic stats, economics, etc.

253242 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 1, #631 of 1714 🔗

Running the Vietnam war by computer meant introducing Targets hence body counts which led US troops to commit atrocities against prisoners and civilians in order to bump up the numbers in accordance with the plan (ie model).

253791 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mark, 1, #632 of 1714 🔗

The effects of the ‘caring’ ‘green’ developed world’s idiocy are a great deal more destructive than the Vietnam War:

UNDESA estimated that over 34 million people will be pushed into extreme poverty this year alone. This is already very much on the optimistic end of forecasts—the World Bank now predicts that between 71 million and 100 million people will be pushed into extreme poverty this year, erasing almost all progress made in the last five years in the fight against extreme poverty. UNICEF and Save the Children warn that the pandemic could push 86 million children into poverty, an increase of 15 per cent relative to the baseline.’

https://www.un.org/development/desa/dpad/publication/un-desa-policy-brief-86-the-long-term-impact-of-covid-19-on-poverty/

253181 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #633 of 1714 🔗

From Simon Dolan’s Twitter feed

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1329034454942314497

The controversial study of whether it protects against coronavirus wearing a mask will be published at 3 pm today, Rigshospitalet informs.

253189 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 1, #634 of 1714 🔗

Is this the long-term Danish study that has thus far not been able to get peer-reviewed?

253191 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jb12, 3, #635 of 1714 🔗

I think so as the Tweet he was retweeting looked like it was in Danish

253195 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Julian, 4, #636 of 1714 🔗

Please let it bring a tsunami of scepticism from the sheeple. If I was religious I would either be praying or offering my soul.

253216 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #637 of 1714 🔗

I’m praying! Have been for ages.

253222 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #638 of 1714 🔗

The problem is MSM will either just ignore it or weasely ridicule. Even though the supposed pro-mask proof was a promptly retracted, non-reviewed hamster observation.

253230 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #639 of 1714 🔗

Sheeple response “yeah, buts that’s only Denmark innit’.

253442 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 1, #640 of 1714 🔗

Yes, people breathe differently in Denmark didn’t you know, they are much more considerate breathers so they don’t need masks.

253218 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 3, #641 of 1714 🔗

If it was pro-mask it would be shouted from the rooftops.

253229 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 1, #642 of 1714 🔗

If there is any downside to this for sceptics it will be this:
“While the effectiveness of masks could not be demonstrated, and some harms have been identified, the recommendation to wear them in certain settings at certain times with strict protocols around use and disposal can be justified”

All studies recently seem to err on this side when it comes to masks.

253255 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #643 of 1714 🔗

That’s what I’m expecting. In fact I think they will probably have been forced to put something like that in there so that “public confidence in health policies is not undermined”.

253370 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Julian, #644 of 1714 🔗

39 minutes to go.

253186 William Gruff, replying to William Gruff, 12, #645 of 1714 🔗

People from different households won’t be allowed to mix in indoor spaces from December 3rd-24th, at which point the rule will be relaxed for five days …

Amazing: government can predict a viral hiatus of five days over Christmas. From festering to festive at the stroke of midnight on 24/25 December, and then back again five days later.

253203 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to William Gruff, #646 of 1714 🔗

I did not know the government had made such an announcement.

253381 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, #647 of 1714 🔗

Heavily leaked in the press to gauge reaction as per normal.

253465 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #648 of 1714 🔗

When the corporate media come up with stories based on anonymous sources, they are engaging in propaganda.

253204 ▶▶ alw, replying to William Gruff, 8, #649 of 1714 🔗

LOL. More Alice in Wonderland nonsense from the government. The virus will shut down for 5 days over Christmas. Lockdown 2 rules being ignored by more and more.

253225 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to alw, 10, #650 of 1714 🔗

Covid has agreed to a Christmas truce.

253228 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to William Gruff, 4, #651 of 1714 🔗

If that is the case families will ‘not be allowed ‘ to gather until the stroke of midnight going into Xmas day.

Good luck with that bozo.

253435 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to William Gruff, 1, #652 of 1714 🔗

They are disgusting the way they “float” things like this. It should be illegal and subject to a 10k fine.

I will be staying with my parents for at least a week no matter what they say. Why will I infect them if I stay for 10 days, but not for 5?

Imagine the traffic chaos that will ensue, with everyone trying to get where they are going and back again on the same days. Have they thought about that? Of course not.

And then they will blame us for the ensuing “spike” in cases and lock us down again until March.

253193 Eddy, 6, #653 of 1714 🔗

UK Column News – 16th November 2020 LIVE NOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2q1PzHSK4U

253196 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #654 of 1714 🔗

Live – demo in front of the Reichstag in Berlin.

Water cannons being used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Km5EXvWNY&feature=emb_logo

253224 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, #655 of 1714 🔗

Thanks, who was it that banned boris’s water cannons?

253234 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to calchas, #656 of 1714 🔗

Appreciate the link.

Lots of spaffing of water going on. The water cannon operator seems to be enjoying themselves.

253254 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Bill h, #657 of 1714 🔗

I had to smile at all the protesters with their umbrellas out.

253248 ▶▶ CGL, replying to calchas, #658 of 1714 🔗

Why the masks??

253267 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to calchas, 1, #659 of 1714 🔗

Back to the 1930’s for Germany

253275 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #660 of 1714 🔗

The denazification program didn’t work

253314 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 1, #661 of 1714 🔗

No more looking down at the Germans as a rules obsessed servile people.

253206 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 5, #662 of 1714 🔗

TUI clearly did not watch dispatches on C4:

HOW DO I ORDER A COVID‐19 TEST?
 You can buy a discounted, self‐administered COVID‐19 testing kit through us with the use of the discount code TUIOCT20. You can order the test at the Randox testing kit order page.
 The kits will be sent out by our recommended supplier, Randox, who we’ve vetted for
quality, for your peace of mind.
 Kits ordered before 12pm Monday – Friday, excluding Bank Holidays in Northern Ireland, will be shipped on the same day with next day delivery by DHL
 Results are provided within 24 hours of the sample arriving to the lab and are sent directly to the customer

253211 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 3, #663 of 1714 🔗

ha ha

Radox statement to C4:

We do not have preferential clients

253231 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 1, #665 of 1714 🔗

Doesn’t look that scary to me. I’d be more worried about the ~500 (false PCR?) covid related staff absences.

253522 ▶▶▶ Tone, replying to leggy, #666 of 1714 🔗

That doesn’t seem to make sense – if we look at the patients against source of – nearly all the patients seem to be inpatient diagnoses but nearly all the ‘infections’ are community acquired.

253256 ▶▶ DRW, replying to p02099003, 1, #667 of 1714 🔗

Seconded/former BBC operatives showing again.

253426 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, #668 of 1714 🔗

Surely this is the third wave – I thought Leicester had its “second wave” in the summer, hence the need to be in a local lockdown since July.

253208 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 14, #669 of 1714 🔗

What’s this – not a Health Passport, surely (Telegraph paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/17/people-have-covid-vaccine-could-get-qr-codes-allowing-access/

Members of the public who receive the coronavirus vaccine could be issued with QR codes on their mobile phones to allow them entry to large cultural and sporting events under proposals floated by ministers.

While Downing Street has insisted it has no plans to pursue compulsory vaccination, several Government sources believe people who are inoculated should be issued with a form of immunity certification. This would potentially enable them to attend football matches and other large gatherings that are currently deemed high-risk.

The article attracted the usual high volume of negative comments. I particularly like this one:

Hitler would have loved QR codes

253213 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Tenchy, 16, #670 of 1714 🔗

Hitler would have loved QR codes”

Indeed, the yellow star and pink triangle of the 2020s.

253217 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tenchy, 10, #671 of 1714 🔗

One of IBMs first major projects was providing the nazi regime with punch card technology to keep track of people.
At the time it was considered cutting edge.

253321 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #672 of 1714 🔗

yep, hence the infamous tattoos the prisoners got on their wrists.

253460 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tenchy, 3, #673 of 1714 🔗

So, if I understand this correctly, an individual is injected with the vaccine and then can have access to activities where there are many people in close prolonged contact. Does anyone in the elite know anything?

A vaccine (assuming it is effective) confers immunity on the vaccinated individual. It does this not by stopping the infectious agent from going anywhere near them. It does it by having enabled their immune system to recognise the agent and have developed defences against it. A vaccinated individual is perfectly capable of coming into contact with the infectious agent and passing it on to others. For example, they could touch a contaminated surface and pick it up and then touch another surface and leave it. They could breathe it in and subsequently exhale it.

Vaccination does not stop an individual from being a vector. It makes the individual immune, and it only does that if it is effective, which they aren’t even pretending the vaccines will be.

One might almost think this is all theatre.

253209 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #674 of 1714 🔗

BBC R2 News 13.00 Weds.
The Beano is producing a CoronoChristmas edition.

Dennis the Menace and the Bash Street Kids will be joined by Greta, Captain Tom and Marcus Rashford (sp?) foiling a plot to steal Xmas presents by Boris and his sidekick Dom.

Sounds like a barrel of laughs.
I’d rather Dennis went back to bashing Walter the swot and setting Gnasher onto Lord Snooty.

253221 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to karenovirus, 1, #675 of 1714 🔗

I was always a Dandy reader. Desperate Dan would not stand for this I don’t think.

253226 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 13, #676 of 1714 🔗

I’m sure Captain Tom is a lovely man but can’t he, or at least his family, see he is being used in the most cynical and shameful way. I can’t stand his entreaties that “we will get through this” as though we are at war with some foreign power when, actually it feels like we are at war against our own government.

253240 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 16, #677 of 1714 🔗

I feel bad for him. He wanted to make a good natured gesture but became a massively exploited propaganda figure.

253317 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 4, #678 of 1714 🔗

I hope Captain Tom doesn’t die of covid.
They will put him a statue of him at Trafalgar square gripping his walking frame with grim determination as he eyes up the end of his garden with the steely glare of an old soldier on the final push going over the top.

We will have a special tribute to the covid dead every April fools day for the next 100 years.

253364 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 3, #679 of 1714 🔗

He served in India. Surely with the colonial history linked to India, the statue would be pulled down by BLM?

253369 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 2, #680 of 1714 🔗

Fesitivities to conclude with an 8pm clap.

253232 helen, replying to helen, 3, #681 of 1714 🔗

Call for evidence
UK Parliament 2020

Constitutional implications of COVID-19: Emergency powers

May have been posted already but here it is again

Deadline midnight tonight

https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/258/constitutional-implications-of-covid19/?fbclid=IwAR1KieLPIqDcOt4W89bRCnrPWwm_IDXAaZc-6rhAatzfeilIoKXIYnvQurs

253417 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to helen, #682 of 1714 🔗

I recommend that people submit their opinions to this committee.

I did it yesterday and it’s straightforward: just create a document (Word, ODF, or RTF) and upload it via the page.

You can ask for your submission to be made anonymous when published, although they do not guarantee that your wishes will be respected.

Make yourself heard!

253431 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to helen, #683 of 1714 🔗

This is going to be interesting.

Not sure they will listen to any evidence that goes against the current plan. Whitewash??

Should be an independent inquiry.

However we cannot give up

253237 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #684 of 1714 🔗

The people working in the coronavirus testing centres are (if we are to believe the official narrative, which I am doing for the purpose of this comment) constantly coming into contact with people who are infected with the virus, and seventy percent of the transmission is asymptomatic, as Boris Johnson told the House. Under these circumstances, surely these workers would be constantly self isolating, and thus the centres would constantly having to close as a result of staff shortages, and when they reopened, they would be closing again within days.

Is there any published data on testing centre staff absences?

253266 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #685 of 1714 🔗

I’ve met a testing station security guard who is mask exempt and local Live reported a week ago about a station in Torbay where Mr Angry was complaining that none of the staff wore masks or gloves.

‘They could have given me the Covid through the window’

The staff explained that they wanted to present a cheerful face at this stressful time.

253491 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 1, #686 of 1714 🔗

😅 😅 😅 . As they say you couldn’t make it up!!

253415 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #687 of 1714 🔗

They must be exempt from it since they are testing infected people every day, and therefore would have to self isolate for 2 weeks every time they did a day’s work (although I admit that the govt are mad enough to consider that a good idea). They’re probably considered “safe” because of all that PPE.

253494 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, #688 of 1714 🔗

The PPE that does not prevent the transmission of viruses – that PPE?

253512 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, #689 of 1714 🔗

Ah yes but their PPE is probably special. They wear aprons and everything.

253561 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #690 of 1714 🔗

Hmm? So do masons. Has anybody checked if they’re immune?

253238 CGL, replying to CGL, 8, #691 of 1714 🔗

If we ever get out of this, I think my PTSD nightmares will take the form of me screaming the truth at the top of my lungs to a crowd of people as far as the horizon – like a Queen concert – and none of them can hear me.

253253 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to CGL, 2, #692 of 1714 🔗

Don’t worry…we are never getting out of this.

253257 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #693 of 1714 🔗

This reset is destined to fail.. it’s just a case of when.

253259 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 3, #694 of 1714 🔗

How? They’re making good progress so far.

253269 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 14, #695 of 1714 🔗

I don’t agree – where is the progress?

Like all central planners who think they can control people – they will fail,

We have millions of people on the Internet deconstructing the narrative in real time.

You don’t think we here are the only ones, do you?

253299 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to calchas, 5, #696 of 1714 🔗

Agreed. The tipping point has been reached.

253383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to mari, #697 of 1714 🔗

What makes you think that?

253358 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to calchas, 2, #698 of 1714 🔗

Agreed, they are making no progress apart from the fact that many aren’t switched on to it yet as they are hidden behind the Covid veil. They are few, we are many.

253389 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, #699 of 1714 🔗

Unfortunately there are also millions perpetuating it and many still buying it.

253261 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #700 of 1714 🔗

Oh yes we are!!!!

The narrative crumbles a bit more every day.

Every day more people see hrough the nonsense.

You just wait till Aprilwhen the weather warms up.

253265 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to calchas, 4, #701 of 1714 🔗

April? I don’t think I can hold until then for the masses to finally wake up.

253281 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to kh1485, 4, #702 of 1714 🔗

Boris will be gone by April.

253306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to chaos, 3, #703 of 1714 🔗

Maybe he’s exited the stage now, with this fake ‘isolating’ baloney!

253390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 1, #704 of 1714 🔗

I agree but don’t see how Squishi would be any better.

254126 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, #705 of 1714 🔗

Squishi – hehehe

253274 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 1, #706 of 1714 🔗

The narrative might be crumbling but is it fast enough? If the “vaccine” is deployed and taken by then it’s game over.

253283 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 9, #707 of 1714 🔗

It will take ages to deploy the vaccine.

The only inevitable reset is the financial one, which will destroy their power.

All of this Davos stuff is just piss and wind.

They understand neither us nor the world.

253298 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to calchas, 5, #708 of 1714 🔗

I wouldn’t trust Wancock to deliver a leaflet let alone a vaccine that needs to be stored at -80.

253344 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Will, #709 of 1714 🔗

Haha, too true!

253400 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, #710 of 1714 🔗

He’ll just be fronting it, a few months ago they said the army will be doing it.

253302 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to calchas, #711 of 1714 🔗

Methinks it will happen before then

253406 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Thomas_E, #712 of 1714 🔗

Thanks.

253504 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CGL, 1, #713 of 1714 🔗

The crushing low will make the high ever more sweeter. I advise reading a bit of Jordan Petersons 12 Rules. You are a giant.

254232 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #714 of 1714 🔗

I know – that’ll be all the cake

253243 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 2, #715 of 1714 🔗

Carl Heneghan (@carlheneghan) Tweeted: Thanks – Weekly updates commence on beds Thursday 12 November 2020 and continue every Thursday at 09:30 thereafter. We’ll be watching this Thursday – https://t.co/w5GC5LAcyE
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1328970322037633026?s=20

I took a look at my local hospital data on this website. On November 2nd, it had 82 adult critical care beds of which 50 were occupied. The following day and for the rest of that week, it says 40 beds were available and 40 were occupied.

I’m puzzled. Where did the beds disappear to on November 3rd?
What am I missing?

253279 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, #716 of 1714 🔗

Surely they don’t want to make it appear that ICU is at 100% occupancy?

253394 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, #717 of 1714 🔗

Sometimes they designate other beds in the hospital as critical care, for surge capacity, which can be turned on and off. It could be something to do with that, or more likely just incompetence I would guess.

253495 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, #718 of 1714 🔗

It’s the same here in Northern Ireland. Number of beds go up and down like a yoyo. At one one point a hospital manager locally was complaining of capacity ICU levels being reached and in the same breath, to save herself from being accused of bad management, she said they could of course double capacity if required.

253249 Sue, replying to Sue, 22, #719 of 1714 🔗

recording of a meeting held in canada –

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=uEo3rnU12jw

Dr. Roger Hodkinson, Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons committee in Ottawa, CEO of a large private medical laboratory in Edmonton, Alberta and Chairman of a Medical Biotechnology company :

“There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians. This is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspected public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus. This is nothing more than a bad flu season. It’s politics playing medicine and that’s a very dangerous game.

There is no action needed….Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence whatsoever they are even effective. It is utterly ridiculous seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people walking around like lemmings obeying without any evidence. Social distancing is also useless…..

Positive testing results do NOT indicate clinical infection. It is simply driving public hysteria and ALL testing should STOP immediately….using the province’s own statistics the risk of death under 65 is 1 in 300,000. The scale of the response is utterly ridiculous…all kinds of business closures, suicides …. you’re being led down the garden path.”

253346 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sue, 3, #720 of 1714 🔗

Hi Sue, this is in the main update ATL. It is a brilliant statement and I have shared far and wide.

253475 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Sarigan, #721 of 1714 🔗

aahhhh guess who didn’t read the articles above… moi 🙂
thanks – sorry for repetition

253407 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Sue, #722 of 1714 🔗
253437 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sue, 2, #723 of 1714 🔗

Well said Dr. Roger Hodkinson

253258 Thomas_E, 7, #724 of 1714 🔗

Hahahaha…great situation we are all in hey? Build, back, better!

253262 mm99, replying to mm99, 3, #725 of 1714 🔗

It’s of no consequence to me, lockdown is over here.

253273 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to mm99, 11, #726 of 1714 🔗

tell that to the businesses that are being forced to close and may never reopen

253293 ▶▶ Will, replying to mm99, 36, #727 of 1714 🔗

Lockdown won’t be over until I can stand at a bar, with my dogs at my feet, no Perspex in front of me and no mask on, talking good, old fashioned pub bollocks. Until such time as we return to such a state of affairs this isn’t over.

253471 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Will, 2, #728 of 1714 🔗

👍

253268 mm99, replying to mm99, 30, #729 of 1714 🔗

I just saw an insane woman remonstrating with a security guard at Waitrose, demanding that he go and eject a teenager who wasn’t wearing a mask.

Great job Boris you freak.

253287 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mm99, 16, #730 of 1714 🔗

Crazy evil bitch.

253294 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Two-Six, 1, #731 of 1714 🔗

Nah, just Snowblinded.

253352 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Two-Six, 10, #732 of 1714 🔗

Yup 80 years ago she would have shoving my relatives into gas chambers, sadly creatures like this exist in every society

253271 chaos, replying to chaos, 18, #733 of 1714 🔗

I sense this reset will come crashing to a halt… Boris has become too unpopular and Dominic has played a brilliant move by revealing secrets about Carrie texting policy ideas.. and the name Princess Nut Nut.. Carrie must be seething about that name. She was angry when the media said she didn’t love her dog.

Boris has revealed his Greta Green daft ideas. It’s the beginning of the end now.

253289 ▶▶ mari, replying to chaos, 8, #734 of 1714 🔗

We can live in hope, but governments are not in charge of ‘Great Resets’ – being nothing more than mouthpieces, with scripts to read. Was ever thus. Govts come and go, but the evil cabal behind all this has been in place for as long as there have been ‘Governments’.
This ‘Carrie nut nut’ business is nothing more than distraction.

253301 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to mari, 9, #735 of 1714 🔗

She’s a soldier of the reset. But the cabal has over-extended this time.. not a chance this reset could work.

253305 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chaos, 6, #736 of 1714 🔗

I pray you’re right!

253304 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mari, 6, #737 of 1714 🔗

I agree. This was being put in place decades ago.

253514 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to mari, 1, #738 of 1714 🔗

All governments are under occupation by the WEF

253278 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #739 of 1714 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sRUUdXDSKU

“Cllr Lynne Doherty, Leader of West Berkshire Council (Con), has been providing an update on our response to Covid-19 and answering your questions”.

This question was submitted by Mrs Two-Six
7:44
“What steps are West Berkshire Council taking together with local businesses to ensure that information on legal exemptions
from face mask wearing is clearly displayed at premises and communicated to the public to safe guard those who are
exempt. Those that are exempt should be able to go about their business freely and without fear of verbal attack or shaming
from those who are not informed and not aware about the legal exemptions.”

Her answer

“In answer to that question. There is actually no legal requirement to display the face mask covering exemptions in retailers.
Some retailers, for example, I know Sainsburies do it, put a tannoy announcement out asking people to respect that fact
some customers and colleges can’t wear face coverings. So I think its quite important that um we recognise there is no that
legal requirement to do so but there are thing that retailers can do so that people are considerate to those that are legally
exempt from wearing face masks.”

So it’s official, you can go to Sainsburies if you don’t want to be attacked by a face mask zombie for not wearing a face nappy and its nothing to do with us. We won’t do anything to help stop you getting attacked and abused for not wearing one anywhere else either. So sod ya. wear your mask or get attacked and abused and its not our problem, its official.

253445 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Two-Six, 1, #740 of 1714 🔗

Shocking. Have to make sure she never gets elected again

253871 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, #741 of 1714 🔗

I wrote IDIOTS on my ballot paper in the last scam election.

253488 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Two-Six, 1, #742 of 1714 🔗

She’s an idiot. Hates that Christmas is being cancelled and has to direct her anger at the publically accepted scapegoat, the maskless

253280 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 7, #743 of 1714 🔗

This was my question, (hat tip to AG) it is clear that she didn’t read out the question but paraphrased it and didn’t answer any of the questions at all.

However she/THE COUNCIL obviously shit a brick. She read the answer from a script, North Korea style. Her script would have come from the West Berkshire Legal Department I would imagine.

Dear Lynne Doherty,

I have a few questions regarding the PCR test.

Please can you of the panel address some or all of these questions.

I am aware of a Freedom of Information Request reply from The Department of Health and Social Care (Reference FOI-1240596) it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

It also linked to a document that in conclusion stated that the PCR tests being used are unreliable, had high false positive rates, could not be verified against an actual confirmed case of covid-19 and had not been verified in a medical or hospital setting.

PCR tests are also, as admitted by their inventors, not a diagnostic tool nor a quantitative test and should not be used as such in any circumstances.

My questions:

1 – based on the above statements how can a positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?

2 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for local lockdowns and other general restrictions?

3 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of individuals tested “positive”?

4 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of those who have been in “close contact” with an individual who tested “positive”?

5 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for closing down or fining a business when customers have been tested “positive”?

I have serious concerns over its accuracy and more importantly whether is has any validity at all.

In my humble opinion, all testing of “asymptomatic” people should be stopped immediately.

The PCR test is just too inaccurate and unreliable to be used to impose huge life changing and harshly enforced impositions on people’s lives, lively hoods, their education, their employment and their liberty. Especially as there is no secondary test available to validate the first test result. In any other area of life this is not the case. For example with a drug driving test, there will be a secondary test to confirm the first test, it is the same with the road-side breath test.

Furthermore, at least, the number of cycles used in the current PCR testing should be greatly reduced from 35-45 cycles to no more than 15-20 and a positive case should only be confirmed with the clear presence of symptoms. The cycle rate of the test should be clearly disclosed as well so as to provide clarity over the testing regime.

Finally please can the panel point me and the viewers to any evidence that is peer reviews that clearly demonstrates clearly that there has been a case of an “Asymptomatic” person “transmitting” the SARS2Cov virus to another person?
I am not aware of any such research that properly stands up under any kind of scrutiny if there is any at all.

Yours Sincerely

Two-Six
Her answer:
11:17
The next question that I have had in um is with regards to um the standard of covid 19 testing um and trying to ask what standards are being applied um to covid 19 testing, ummm errr the department of health and social care are responsible for setting the standards of testing um we recognise that there is probably, well there is no test the is 100% accurate. However the “polymeress chain reaction” or the PCR as I have frequently heard this refereed to, swab tests, have been deployed in most countries across the world and is the method currently advised by the department of health and social care to determine if an individual has covid 19. The council continues to follow government guidance and legislation with respect to testing and enforcement. So I hope that addresses those questions that were pre-submitted

253332 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 2, #744 of 1714 🔗

“That big boy over there told me to do it!”

253343 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 3, #745 of 1714 🔗

Um no it bloody doesn’t! They need to be sued now for wrongful imprisonment, murder, torture and anything else we can find in the Nuremberg Code.

Wonder how Ms Dorries is getting on with the copy that Captain Beefheart had shipped to her yesterday.

Well done Mr 2-6 – brilliant question!

253485 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Two-Six, 2, #746 of 1714 🔗

No test is accurate and other countries are doing it so.

Send her the Portuguese Court ruling. Tell her other countries are also recognising the flaws of these tests and the abuses of human rights that emerge when used to justify locking down healthy individuals.

She comes across as an idiot. Although I wrote an almost identical email to my local politicians.

254241 ▶▶ D.S., replying to Two-Six, #747 of 1714 🔗

Still hard to believe people think all ‘cases’ in the news are deadly sick/contagious killers (okay, sorry, not hard to believe given the constant casedemic fearmongering).

I see you posted Ct cutoff range of 20, whereas Henegan/CEBM shows tests for up to 30:

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19/

Splitting hairs – I’ve seen it elsewhere or heard it referred to – the accuracy drops off fast at CT of 25 and above. ALL jurisdictions have been using >35 to >40 from what I’ve seen (if they even report it). Anyone have any link to ‘accuracy vs CT threshold’?

Not that it will be shocking to the masses – almost no one I mentioned this to has any concept of ‘signal to noise’. I read that if tests cut off at or below 30, up to 90% of all ‘cases’ would be negative.

I am in BC (western Canada), and we just went through another round of healthy people testing positive at schools and people freaked out. I know when the media freak outs are coming – usually 1 to 2 weeks after the exact same media freak outs happen in Europe – like clockwork. And with the same wording/script. Our Health expert spent a major portion of the recent daily update detailing how a ‘selfish’ family and teen infected their granny and she died (spin on ‘don’t kill your gran’).

But if all governments are scaring their citizens in unison it really must be for our own good.

253282 Will, replying to Will, 3, #748 of 1714 🔗

Here’s a challenge for someone with proper scientific skills, unlike me. What are the excess death figures in the UK if we go back to September 2019?

253290 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 5, #749 of 1714 🔗

There won’t be any by the end of the year (except suicide and those caused by NHS neglect).
Virtually all the Covid deaths would have died sometime this year anyway.
This was widely predicted as far back as early June from looking at ONS figures.

253799 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to karenovirus, #750 of 1714 🔗

It was predicted by Neil Ferguson in April. I say predicted, he actually conceded that most of the deaths in his model of doom where people who would have died within 12 months.

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again.

The death spike in March and April was artificially created by the government shipping C19+ patients from hospitals into care homes. It created the desired results; daily death tolls.

What we’ve learned since is that around 80% of those deaths were, in fact, in care homes, hence the average age of CV19 deaths being around 82 years.

Of course, the narrative and resultant ideology is set; death from CV19. “Look at the death toll! Wear a mask, do as you’re told.”

253307 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 1, #751 of 1714 🔗

The data is all available here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

The question is, what do you mean by “excess”? It’s not really an absolute term – you need to qualify it by saying what your baseline is – for example a 5-year average, or longer, and also compare totals to other totals in the last few decades, to understand if we are looking at something exceptional (clue: we’re not)

253311 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 1, #752 of 1714 🔗

64,396 over 5 year average

253349 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, #753 of 1714 🔗

here is the last 10 years of weekly mortality vs 5 year average

253453 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #754 of 1714 🔗

just for interest

forget last 5 years average

below is a moving box car average (21 month) of the all cause mortality for the last 10 years

‘pandemic’ looks like a couple of winters came at once. not worth destroying society for

253490 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, #755 of 1714 🔗

Actually, the above the five yearly average deaths all happened after the imposition of lockdown.

253520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, #756 of 1714 🔗

“Just think how much higher it would have been without a lockdown”

253539 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 1, #757 of 1714 🔗

Care Home debacle, deaths at home, lockdown related deaths, and Covid all contributors.

Counties like Germany who have protected care homes better didn’t get that kind of spike

253402 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Will, 2, #758 of 1714 🔗

The risk of dying with the coronavirus is the same as the risk of dying if the coronavirus did not exist. It has had zero effect on mortality.

253288 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #759 of 1714 🔗

Does anyone else find themselves haunted by that scary clip of Uncle Bill gleefully assuring us that we won’t miss the next one?

I got the ghastly notion that the imminent vaccine is really against the plotted next virus. All the willing sheeple will be immune and “They” will bump off all those capable of independent and rational thought …..

It’s a bit early in the day for alcoholic assistance. Do you think chocolate will work?

253296 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #760 of 1714 🔗

If anything the vaccine will either contain or interact with the next virus with fatal results.

253325 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Richard O, 3, #761 of 1714 🔗

I don’t think they’re that clever. We are overtaking them on the IQ scale

253914 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, #762 of 1714 🔗

It’s the selective aspect that worries me.
At 67 I’m no doubt in the dispensable demographic.

253297 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #763 of 1714 🔗

Chocolate is good for you

253912 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #764 of 1714 🔗

I know. It’s part of my 5 4 a day.
My only other vegetable-based items are tea, coffee and fermented red grape juice.

253322 ▶▶ mari, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #765 of 1714 🔗

Yes. Part of the essential 5 a day thingy. I take mine 85%, for a direct serotonin hit.

253906 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mari, #766 of 1714 🔗

Yes I usually have the 85%.

253336 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #767 of 1714 🔗

we’re f****d anyway so you may as well eat and drink everything you desire – got to have some pleasures in life and there sure as hell ain’t anything else to do…

253373 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sue, 4, #768 of 1714 🔗

Quite. They’ve left us with nothing else. Forget covid – the NHS will be overwhelmed with depressed, fat alcoholics soon enough, and I will probably be one of them.

253366 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #769 of 1714 🔗

I think Melinda smirking was more chilling.The pillow talk in that house must be fun.

253413 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #770 of 1714 🔗

Chocolate, biscuits and coffee is what I reach for while it’s too early to drink.

253464 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #771 of 1714 🔗

Never mind chocolate I’d go straight for the alcohol. 😁 🍷 🍹 🍺

253300 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 10, #772 of 1714 🔗

Boris Johnson takes two weeks off to shag his missus whilst our country burns. What the actual f?

Actually that might be factually incorrect, he’ll be the one bending over…

Nero. Rome. Burning…

Arnie.

253340 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 3, #773 of 1714 🔗

Nero widdles while Rome burns.

253312 AnotherSceptic, 12, #774 of 1714 🔗

No, he was & still is a cunt.

253315 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 4, #775 of 1714 🔗

Not that anyone should trust the pharmaceutical companies anyway but Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre will probably make it clear just how much cheating and manipulation of trial results goes on to get drugs through, and that was when they still had to follow the proper protocols…

253323 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Achilles, #776 of 1714 🔗

Ben Goldacre who sits on SAGE?

253335 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #777 of 1714 🔗

Don’t know, but probably. Obviously don’t know what his input would be but then we don’t know anything about their process, who leads, how consensus is achieved, etc. All done behind darkened windows.

253326 Inlakesh, replying to Inlakesh, 1, #778 of 1714 🔗

Medical Specialist in Virology Lambasts the Covid Hoax. https://is.gd/baFMMQ

253411 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Inlakesh, #779 of 1714 🔗

FYI, this video was shared in the blog post you’re commenting on .

253469 ▶▶▶ Inlakesh, replying to mattghg, #780 of 1714 🔗

Thank you.

253327 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #781 of 1714 🔗

Surely Graham Brady and other senior tories are reading comments in suposedly tory papers such as The Telegraph and Mail? Most comments are anti-Boris. Some mention the great reset. The few that are positive are possibly 77 brigade or similar. He has lost virtually all of his support. He is the most hated leader in my lifetime.

I sense the slow process of deposition of Princess Nut Nut and Prince Wiff Waff is coming.

253329 ▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 2, #782 of 1714 🔗

And they MUST know about 77th. My MP certainly should – they’re based in her area.

253333 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 1, #783 of 1714 🔗

I have explicitly told her about them twice

253357 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #784 of 1714 🔗

Think I might too then

253772 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to CGL, 1, #786 of 1714 🔗

Given that one of them is a reservist member of said brigade…..

253330 ▶▶ mari, replying to chaos, #787 of 1714 🔗

Please let it not be slow…..

253339 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to chaos, #788 of 1714 🔗

after Brexit free trade deal next week Boris will be off-for him that will be his legacy, for us it will be something different

253353 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to chaos, 2, #789 of 1714 🔗

But even if Boris goes, who will take over? Most likely Gove, and he’s one of the worst of the lot.

253468 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to A. Contrarian, #790 of 1714 🔗

I don’t think Gove will ever be leader, he is a dreadful, oily tick and completely unelectable. It will be Raab or Sunak. But neither will want the gig until the virus has completely disappeared which will happen in the spring.

253497 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, #791 of 1714 🔗

Why do you think it would have disappeared by then?

253331 steph, replying to steph, 1, #793 of 1714 🔗

Here follows part 1 of a reply from my MP. I don’t know which of my several contacts she is replying to because it does not specifically answer any of my points and is clearly a cut and paste. There are many factual inaccuracies used to justify the government action and I may decide to respond if I have the energy but really these people are impervious: –

Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding the new national measures in the ongoing response to the coronavirus pandemic. Whilst I note your comments, I will continue to support this Government’s efforts to defeat the virus .As a strong supporter of freedom, liberty and enterprise I can assure you that the decisions that havebeen made by the Government have not been taken lightly.As your local Member of Parliament and as a member of the Government I do not want to see restrictions on our way of life in place for any longer than they need to be. I entered politics to work to give people more freedoms and to empower businesses. As we take action to suppress the spread of this dangerous and deadly disease I am working to get as much of society and our economy reopened to as close to normal as possible as soon as possible. My commitment to promoting more freedoms for families and businesses strengthened by this pandemic as I know that our recovery will be dependent on the strength, resilience and entrepreneurial spirit of our country. These are however unprecedented times, forcing Governments across the globe into action that would previously be seen as unthinkable, and simply standing back and doing nothingisnotanoption.There is much we still do not know about this virus,and the risk of inaction is too great. I would therefore like to set out the reasoning for the move to national measures.The second coronavirus peak that we have seen around the world has shown us all that we are going to be dealing with coronavirus for the long-term. That is why over the past weeks and months the Government have been working on a long-term, balanced approach that protects the NHS, keeps children in school, lets the economy function as much as possible, and does not require constant changes. It was hoped that the situation could be managed with the regional system of alert levels, and allow as many people to live as normal a life as possible, because a national lockdown is not cost-free -not only in terms of jobs, businesses, and livelihoods, but also the impact on mental health and loneliness.This is why theGovernment have been so determined to try and avoid another national lockdown. However, the situation has significantly deteriorated and this is now clearly a national problem. The extraordinary efforts being made by millions of people across the country—especially those in very high alert areas—have made a real difference, suppressing the Rrate below where it would otherwise have been.But the R is still above one in every part of England—as it is across much of Europe—and the virus is spreading even faster than the reasonable worst-case scenario. The latest published data shows that the R rate in the East of England is between 1.0-1.2, with a growth rate of 1-3% per day:
Source: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk ) We have also unfortunately seen sharply increasing numbers of infections within Essex, with the statistics for the number of cases per 100,000 dramatically rising in October from the levels seen in August and September: (Source: https://www.essex.gov.uk/local-outbreak-control-plan ) ItisclearthatthesituationintheUK,aswellasacrossotherpartsofEurope,isincredibly serious. Incidence rates are growing, and the NHS is under increasing pressure. If the NHS were to be overwhelmed, it would mean non-Covid cases turned away from hospital because there is no room left; and critically important surgeries and treatments cancelled and many left without treatment. The Government are taking urgent action that will increase NHS capacity as much as possible but even if we doubled NHS capacity, that extra capacity would also be full within a single doubling time of the virus. It was therefore crucial to take action across the whole of England, because there is no alternative. These restrictions will apply nationally for four weeks up to Wednesday 2nd December, and will override the current Local Alert Level restrictions. The Prime Minister set out the plans to Parliament, with Parliament presented the opportunity to debate and vote on these measures on, and with the vote having passed, came into force on Thursday November 5th. It is important to highlight that these are time-limited measures, and on the 2nd December we will seek to ease restrictions, on a local and regional basis, according to the latest data.

253337 ▶▶ steph, replying to steph, #794 of 1714 🔗

Part 2:

This aggressive action allows us the prospect of a better December. The alternative would be even more stringent, and longer-lasting, interventions through December and thereafter. These measures are necessary to help control the spread of the virus which thrives on social interaction. Unfortunately, we know that the virus spreads readily in indoor environments where members of different households and/or support bubbles spend time together. These restrictions do not single out restaurants, pubs or gyms but apply to a wide range of settings where the risk of transmission is high. These findings were highlighted by SAGE, who stated that: “A wide range of social, residential and workplace settings have been associated with transmission. The highest risks of transmission, including those from super-spreading events, are associated with poorly ventilated and crowded indoor settings with increased likelihood of aerosol emission (such as loud singing/speech, aerobic activity) and no face coverings are worn such as bars, nightclubs, parties/family gatherings, indoor dining, gyms and exercise classes, choirs and churches.” (Source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads /attachment_data/file/933225/S0824_SARSCoV-2_Transmission_routes_and_environments.pdf) I understand the points and views you have raised and would once again reassure you that I am working to support the freedoms and liberties that we cherish in this country and to have our economy and society reopened as much as it can as soon as it is safe to do so. Thank you, once again, for taking the time to share your views with me.

253348 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steph, 1, #795 of 1714 🔗

It sounds just like my useless MP’s letter. I too am having difficulty in summoning up the energy to write a reply. It’s like throwing jelly at the wall.

Is she aware that under most of the tier restrictions, household mixing is still banned so loneliness is still an huge issue? Is she aware that the “better December” will likely involve Tier 4 restrictions across most of the country anyway, so will barely be any different from a national lockdown?

Also, she thinks the current approach does not require constant changes? I’ve lost count of the number of times the rules have changed – rule of six, 10pm curfew, areas moving up the tiers after just a few days in their original tier, lockdown followed by stricter tiers, etc etc.

But like you say, what’s the point?

253377 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #796 of 1714 🔗

It’s hard to summon up the energy isn’t it.? But I feel as if blatant lies such as “sharply increasing numbers of infections within Essex” and “ the virus is spreading even faster than the reasonable worst case scenario” do need to be challenged.
The best I can say on her behalf is she has been issued with these “facts” and has not even called challenged them. In itself that is a dreadful indictment of a senior cabinet minister’s behaviour. It’s an awful lot of money and responsibility to just do as she is told isn’t it?

253380 ▶▶▶▶ JME, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #797 of 1714 🔗

Me too! Three emails & six weeks after my initial one I get a reply from my Labour MP yesterday spouting the party line, not answering any questions.
I too have been considering a further email but feel exactly as you do- there seems to be no way we can make them look outside their own narrow sources of information or party political position.

253456 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to steph, #798 of 1714 🔗

My conservative MPs email response to my 2 sentence letter was about 2x A4 pages. Very clearly trying to cover his butt using the same content that we question.

Will make sure that he never gets elected again

253334 john, replying to john, 2, #799 of 1714 🔗

https://twitter.com/berlingske/status/1328988477908787202

anyone speak Danish and able to follow? Mask study results getting released now…

253342 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to john, #800 of 1714 🔗

Google translate says:

The controversial study of whether it protects against coronavirus wearing a mask will be published at 3 pm today, Rigshospitalet informs.

253345 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #801 of 1714 🔗

It’s already 3pm in Denmark, something should be happening.

253351 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to leggy, #802 of 1714 🔗

Good point. I hadn’t realised time 🙂

253355 ▶▶▶▶ john, replying to leggy, #803 of 1714 🔗
253347 ▶▶ annie, replying to john, #804 of 1714 🔗

3 pm their time, but where?

253362 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to john, 3, #805 of 1714 🔗

It’s out. No significant effect of wearing a muzzle. However it only tests the effect of protection to the wearer (which is obviously why people wear them, despite their virtue signalling lies).

https://www.berlingske.dk/danmark/dansk-studie-kan-ikke-bekraefte-at-mundbind-beskytter-mod-smitte

(Use Google translate)

253368 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #806 of 1714 🔗

I’m totally shocked. Who could possibly have guessed that a diseased piece of cloth is totally useless at protecting from viral infection?

253564 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to TheBluePill, #807 of 1714 🔗

Exactly what I predicted – trial was too small to detect the magnitude of signal, hence a non-significant finding and rejection by Lancet and NEJM

Publication is here https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

My previous comment:

I strongly suspect the trial was part-positive but failed to meet it’s primary objective and reject the null hypothesis (there is no difference) at the 5% significance level. Normally that’s a sign of an underpowered trial

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/23/latest-news-171/#comment-202359

254067 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to djaustin, #808 of 1714 🔗

Burden of proof lies with those wishing to mandate muzzles.

254139 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to TJN, #809 of 1714 🔗

It’s also easy to believe that mask-wearing would lead to a greater than 25% increase in contacts compared with non-mask-wearing. Hence risk compensation effects, a zero sum game and no further practical evidence that masks have had an effect. I’m not in the least bit surprised at this.

254501 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to djaustin, #810 of 1714 🔗

Yes, separating out the variables is presumably almost impossible to achieve in a public setting in any covid-useful time frame.

Which in a proper environment of scientific analysis would force the researcher back into controlled environments, like health-care settings. And we’ve done that pre-covid. And I understand the papers are getting harder and harder find on the internet.

A scientist-historian, looking back one day, will draw their own conclusions from this.

253378 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to john, 3, #811 of 1714 🔗

Right-click, select ‘translate’.

It’s a bit of a damp squib, frankly. Nothing we didn’t know already. And it seems they’ve been obliged to add a rider to claim you can’t infer anything from the results. But, hey, it’s not positive, and that’s something.

https://www.berlingske.dk/danmark/dansk-studie-kan-ikke-bekraefte-at-mundbind-beskytter-mod-smitte

253385 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Miss Owl, #812 of 1714 🔗

yes,was disappointed to see they’ve probably been forced to add this in order to get published:

“It should therefore be emphasized that these results cannot be used to raise doubts that the widespread use of masks outside of healthcare can be an effective means of reducing Sars-CoV-2 infections”

I mean one only has to look at the available evidence of rising cases everywhere that mandates masks to see they do nothing.

253386 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #813 of 1714 🔗

I have to say I’m disappointed; I was hoping for something a lot more consequential than that.

253419 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to mattghg, 1, #814 of 1714 🔗

Ironically. It’s probably more than we currently had either way ! I Welcome it. It’s a start.

253424 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Miss Owl, #815 of 1714 🔗

Thanks Miss Owl.

253338 Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 4, #816 of 1714 🔗

So for anyone who read my earlier posts about the FB conversation I had, as expected it ended up descending into futility. It’s probably not over but he has resorted to his typical approach of being a smart arse. He’s not quite clever enough to pull it off but I don’t think that bothers him. He’s being ever so slightly tongue in cheek but I’m sure he sits there smugly trying to think of how he can win arguments and congratulating himself. Interestingly, I’ve only met him in the flesh a couple of times and he’s way less confident in person. The archetypal keyboard warrior. Here is how it continued.

JC:
Well I do follow the news, and I do trust mainstream reporting. I find the idea that all normal media streams are involved in a concerted/coordinated misinformation campaign absurd. Further, when I see my more conspiratorial Facebook friends sharing news from the darker recesses of the Web is often anonymous and almost always from a source which turns out to have a specific agenda. To me those sources aren’t to be trusted, so no for those reason I havent done any deep dive research. In fact I havent don’t any at all. Most of my information has fallen into my lap via my work. As a medical organisation we have e newsletters sharing information that is relevant to our members, press releases, BMJ & Lancet articles, that type of thing.

Me:
You don’t have to look that far to find facts from respected academics and professionals who directly contradict the mainstream narrative. Talk radio is a good example (many interviews on YouTube), so is Peter Hitchens, as are individuals such as Mike Yeadon and Carl Heneghan, both of whom are more qualified on this topic than any member of the Government, the MSM or indeed SAGE. And none of these people have any agenda other than the truth.
I don’t know whether there is a co-ordinated misinformation campaign, but I do know that most if not all of what the govt is saying (and is subsequently reported as fact by the MSM) is not true.
As a start, I would have a listen to this below. It’s 5 minutes. Nothing conspiratorial about this and no agenda. He and people like him give a very clear balanced view which you are not likely to get from say the BBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch
THIS is a Meeting Privately Recorded in EDMONTON Alberta Canada last week!

JC:
I don’t think you do KNOW anything. Its simply a case that you have chosen to believe 1 perspective over another. When you say that the BBC don’t give a balanced view, you reveal your own bias.

JC:
Peter Hitchins, a man so dumb and desparate for attention that he sent a tweet containing just his own name when he was vanity searching himself.

Me:
Yes it’s true that I don’t necessarily “know” certain things, and have chosen to believe them. And yes we all have bias of course. But there are specific things that are reported by the BBC and other MSM that are either not true or are misrepresented. For instance, reporting “positive PCR tests” as “COVID” cases. Many if not most people will take that to mean that x number of people have COVID which is not true. Similar thing with COVID deaths. It actually means someone who returned a positive PCR test within 28 days of death. That’s the sort of thing (and it’s not all) that the MSM will put out there and it’s hugely misleading.
So yes I might have bias but I have done a fair bit of research via other credible sources, rathe than relying on “the news” or what drops in my lap. I’ve looked at several angles whereas you seem to be saying that you haven’t. I’ suggest that you look up some of the sources that I mentioned and see how that compares to your current view. If you have anything compelling that supports your view then by all means send it to me. I have plenty of links if you want to broaden your perspective

JC:
No thanks.

Me:
Interesting JC that you say that I “have chosen to believe one perspective over another”, but then go on to imply that you’re only prepared to listen to one perspective and not even listen to another, let alone consider it. Is there any reason why not? Do you think you already know enough? Good luck with the vaccination if that’s the case
Spare yourself 12 minutes and listen to this link. One of many but a big contrast to some of the hysteria you’ll see elsewhere, and you might just learn something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaOobpwC7oM&feature=youtu.be

JC:
Yes. Because what I know of the medical profession I trust it beyond all other things. You may not trust the media, you may not trust the politicians. That’s fine. But in a situation where you have to believe in something, I’m going to believe in the medical professionals who have dedicated their lives to keeping us fit and well. You believe your internet research. You fucking nutter.

Me:
Can you give me some examples of the medical professionals and what they’ve written that you believe in? I’d be interested to see it

253356 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sceptic in SA, 5, #817 of 1714 🔗

wow, a true cultist. The faith is strong with this one, I fear he is a lost cause.

253374 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 2, #818 of 1714 🔗

Cognitive dissonance at a staggering level – simply won’t even look at something that might challenge his irrational point of view

253359 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #819 of 1714 🔗

He’s made of flesh?

253365 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sceptic in SA, #820 of 1714 🔗

A possible alternative approach is to use official death, ICU and hospitalization stats (NOT covid but overall) to show that there is not an unprecedented public health emergency in progress, and neither has there ever been. Ivor Cummins, or here: http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/

That might be more productive than arguing in the abstract about who to trust

253371 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sceptic in SA, 3, #821 of 1714 🔗

He’s a devotee to the cult. You’re wasting your time. We can never educate zealots, focus on the middle ground.

253513 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to leggy, 2, #822 of 1714 🔗

This.

There are types who will never be swayed. Solzhenitsyn talks about people in the gulag’s who still believed in the party.

253375 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sceptic in SA, #823 of 1714 🔗

Argument to authority. He will not employ Socratic method. Maybe you should ask him what Socretes would say? And see what answer he gives.

253376 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #824 of 1714 🔗

Move on..the brainwashing is complete. No use of spending any more time or energy. Some people just don’t want to be saved. Ignorance is bliss!!

253379 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #825 of 1714 🔗

Why would anyone prefer belief to knowledge?

253395 ▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #826 of 1714 🔗

Thanks for the replies. Yes, I think it’s time to move on, if only for the sake of you guys and the other 8 people on the FB group. It’s very typical of him to enter into an argument with the sole intention of trying to win it, or at least feel that he has, rather than trying to find an answer or learn anything. I vainly hoped that he might take something on board, but unsurprisingly he has just become more entrenched in his position and now is trying to be clever. I’ll be interested to see if he gets vaccinated

253396 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Sceptic in SA, 4, #827 of 1714 🔗

I think you are wasting your time, admirable as the attempt may be. I’ve come to conclusion after having many similar discussions that these types of people will reject all knowledge and calls to educate themselves up to the point that the national narrative flips, at which point they will be evangelical in their assertions that really they knew the previous narrative was wrong all along.

It is really quite amazing how such people get along in life. The Brexit vote and 2016 American election highlighted many of these people as Non Player Characters (NPC) and I think they are rather more widespread in society than many would have imagined.

We really are living in the Matrix.

253416 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Mike, 1, #828 of 1714 🔗

It reminds me of a similar thread I posted here a week or two back, when a work colleague quoted the “4,000 deaths a day” on our Whatsapp group. I called him out and ended up in a similarly futile argument. During the discussion on the comments here, we talked about the notion that some people who are relatively intelligent (or think they are) are prone to overestimating themselves and thus become know-alls. It’s almost impossible to deviate them from their views. The guy last week was classic and this one is even worse. Both of them are arseholes

253459 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mike, 1, #829 of 1714 🔗

At least 90% at my former employer were such NPCs. Always had their intranet pages and MSM livestreams ready for their latest scripts.

253398 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Sceptic in SA, #830 of 1714 🔗

Logical Fallacy Detected: “ Appeal To Authority .”

Argument Void. Please Try Again.

253410 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sceptic in SA, 5, #831 of 1714 🔗

It’s time for this, once again:

Mark Twain — ‘ Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.’

253439 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #832 of 1714 🔗

If he gets BMJ he must have seen this:

Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425

253461 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Sarigan, #833 of 1714 🔗

Nice work. I will ask him (and try to keep a straight face)

253449 ▶▶ Fat Freddies Cat, replying to Sceptic in SA, #834 of 1714 🔗

The BMJ have published a couple of interesting editorials recently, has he shared these in his newsletters?

It may make him think, but then again…

253509 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #835 of 1714 🔗

Good on you man but it’s clear this lot are a waste of time. We need to focus on the easy wins and just let them live in ignorance.

253599 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHuntz, 1, #836 of 1714 🔗

Yes, it’s a waste of time getting into long arguments online with people. I just use social media now for disseminating very slightly sceptical Covid cartoons, comments etc. Just enough to make those with an open mind think a little bit, not enough to make the zealots start an argument.

253548 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #837 of 1714 🔗

sometimes it’s hard to have a conversation/debate on any subject with anyone simply because most people just rely on the distilled news summaries. Drop in a certain name and the reply is “who?” I have had that response on the following subjects:
Brexit – Gina Miller- who?
Trump – John Bolton – who?
Covid – Carl Heneghan – who?

253350 leggy, replying to leggy, 7, #838 of 1714 🔗

Does anyone have a source of advice for this lady please?

Wondering if anyone can give me any advice ? My sister passed away Sunday and on the death certificate they have put the main reason was co\/id then heart failure and crones. She’s been ill quite some time and was taken in hospital 2 week prior, she had a test upon arrival it was negative, then another 10 days later it came back positive. So they transferred her to another hospital. Nobody had been able to visit so she could of only caught the so called \/irus off one of the nurses, this is stressing us out coz they will not change it to heart failure which we believe it was, is there anything we can do ?

253372 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to leggy, 4, #839 of 1714 🔗

I have heard some people have been able to overturn the death certificate findings. Make a nuisance of yourself and refuse to accept it! Good luck.

253502 ▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 2, #840 of 1714 🔗

Keep shouting about it. I’ve heard so many of these stories.

253627 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, #841 of 1714 🔗

Contact UsForThem

253667 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to leggy, 1, #842 of 1714 🔗

Contact the local coroner’s office.

253354 steph, 2, #843 of 1714 🔗

He had a certain moderately amusing prose style. It was all opinion pieces, not reporting. I’m guessing you’re wondering about his future career prospects?
Sadly even utterly useless PMs make a lot of money after the event form the gravy train.

253360 Jonathan Palmer, 1, #844 of 1714 🔗

He used to write opinion pieces rather than something useful like investigative journalism.

253361 A. Contrarian, 3, #845 of 1714 🔗

As far as I’m concerned, Boris’ only function is to be amusing, and he’s hardly been doing a good job of that lately, has he?

Mayor of London was his high point, if you like that kind of bumbling, here-I-am-stuck-on-a-zipwire type of approach. PM of the entire country – just no.

253367 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 7, #846 of 1714 🔗

Simon & Garfunkel’s Sound of Silence (version by Disturbed is even better!)

Hello darkness, my old friend,
I’ve come to talk with you again,
Because a vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence.

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone,
‘Neath the halo of a street lamp,
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence.

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more.
People talking without speaking,
People hearing without listening,
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence.

“Fools,” said I, “You do not know.
Silence like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you.
Take my arms that I might reach you.”
But my words like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the COVID god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming.
And the sign said, “The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sounds of silence.”

253759 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to vargas99, #847 of 1714 🔗

“Simon & Garfunkel’s Sound of Silence (version by Disturbed is even better!)”

I second that.

253384 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #848 of 1714 🔗

Huge demo in Berlin where parliament has VOTED IN the new VACCINATION regulations in a first vote.
(tbh I am not sure of the exact phrases now, or what the detailed sections are people are opposed to)
Police has used water cannons. Demo is very peaceful.
Even The Sun is live streaming!

253391 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Silke David, 7, #849 of 1714 🔗

Politics and democracy have failed, it’s been obvious for years but never this blatant before. The politicians no longer server the people.

253392 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Silke David, 2, #850 of 1714 🔗

How can anyone do anything against these evil people? What can be done??????

253403 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to CGL, 2, #851 of 1714 🔗

One: stay out of fear.
Two: do not comply.

253432 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to mari, 2, #852 of 1714 🔗

I spend my life bloody terrified these days

253477 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to CGL, 6, #853 of 1714 🔗

I don’t ..The only emotions I feel these days are anger and disbelief.

253397 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Silke David, 2, #854 of 1714 🔗

“to denounce a bill that would enshrine lockdown measures into German law.”… the vaccine part is not mentioned!

253472 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Voz 0db, #855 of 1714 🔗

Quite right there are lots of bills talking about a lot of measures, I am watching parliament tv, but although my mother tongue is German, I do not understand a word, such legal language.

253408 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Miss Owl, 6, #857 of 1714 🔗

As expected. No significant impact but the zealots will just chalk it down in the “but if it saves one life” category as if the mandatory wearing of masks is just a minor inconvenience to people.

I’m afraid this is another fail for us.

253448 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Achilles, 3, #858 of 1714 🔗

It certainly is a damp squib. However, it’s not positive, which is certainly something. And it says nothing about two other major issues: the measure of protection given by the wearer to OTHERS*, and the increase in infection CAUSED by wearing a mask.

*Notwithstanding studies on masks attached to hamsters’ cages, or masks in wind tunnels on mannequins (big lols to replicating those in ‘real life’) the lead researcher is quoted as saying that to try and measure any protection given to others would be unethical: see https://www.transcend.org/tms/2020/10/the-suppressed-danish-mask-study/comment-page-1/

253467 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Miss Owl, 3, #859 of 1714 🔗

Unfortunately right now I don’t think anything other than a study clearly showing that masks actually do you harm will change government policy or public perception.

253409 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #860 of 1714 🔗

That’s about as cagey a statement as I could have imagined.

253422 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to leggy, 5, #861 of 1714 🔗

Which begs the question why did three journals refuse to publish it originally…unless this is not the original version.

253436 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Achilles, 5, #862 of 1714 🔗

It’s been toned down for public consumption.

253423 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Miss Owl, 9, #863 of 1714 🔗

Made me chuckle that the translation for facemasks came out as ‘ sanitary napkins ‘ and then ‘mouth bandage’!

253434 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Sarigan, 4, #864 of 1714 🔗

I think that should be the new name for face nappies.

253393 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 2, #865 of 1714 🔗

According to various media outlets the water cannoned protestors in Berlin are “far right” !

253418 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to nickbowes, 3, #866 of 1714 🔗

There were certainly a lot of of them but the Germans know where fascist governments end up and know to start fighting them while they can

253492 ▶▶ Ben, replying to nickbowes, 3, #867 of 1714 🔗

The mainstream media in every country has been invalidating anti-lockdown protests as far right.

Germany responds like a far right dictatorship by banning protests, locking up lawyers and water cannoning peaceful protestors.

253401 Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 4, #868 of 1714 🔗
253414 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 6, #869 of 1714 🔗

Good on her. I have wondered if an old fashioned protest such as chaining together outside HofP might work better than marches and speeches.

253405 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #870 of 1714 🔗

So Boris disappeared shortly after the first lockdown was announced, with covid.

Now, a week or so into the second lockdown, he has disappeared yet again, due to covid.

Very strange that his covid issues only occur in periods of lockdown, don’t you think?

253446 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #871 of 1714 🔗

Re-education.
Needs to be told what to do.

253412 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 14, #872 of 1714 🔗

Dropping my 4 year old off at school today, I jumped out of my skin when noticing another parent wearing one of these.

I mean how much do they want to terrify not just their kids but everyone else’s?

For a split second I wondered if it would be defensible for me to attack and subdue them, perhaps believing them to be a terrorist or a lunatic who’d wondered onto school premises.

253425 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to PompeyJunglist, 9, #873 of 1714 🔗

Surely they were having a giraffe!? I sometimes used to wear a gas mask to mock the nonsense.

253433 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #874 of 1714 🔗

Same. I joined a work video call wearing an S10 respirator back in March. Got a few laughs.

253443 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #875 of 1714 🔗

They really weren’t. Sadly their conduct made it clear.

253444 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to PompeyJunglist, 9, #876 of 1714 🔗

I have been tempted to wear one myself for comedy. I realised that the intent may not be obvious though, so I’ve been contemplating this instead:
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253452 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to G.Fawkes, 8, #877 of 1714 🔗

During the first lockdown someone was given a talking to by the police for going around wearing that.

253473 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #878 of 1714 🔗

That’s encouraging, I’ll probably get one then.

253685 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to G.Fawkes, #879 of 1714 🔗

and what’s wrong with a Steampunk mask?

253450 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to PompeyJunglist, #880 of 1714 🔗

Did they mean it as a sign that these measures are over the top?

253481 ▶▶ annie, replying to PompeyJunglist, #881 of 1714 🔗

It was an alien from the planet Zog.

253526 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #882 of 1714 🔗

That’s very self-centred of them.

Like the much-vaunted N95, this kind of respirator does not filter exhaled air, making it completely useless for source control (“stopping the spread”).

253694 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to PompeyJunglist, #883 of 1714 🔗

Those gas masks that everyone carried around in square boxes slung over their shoulders during the phoney war and beyond? What where they like? I wouldn’t mind carrying one of them around.

253420 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 17, #884 of 1714 🔗

Shit hot off the press, courtesy of Simon Dolan (not the judgement):

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1329066722725408769

The Danish mask study finally published.6000 people in the trial.50% wore masks,50% didn’t.All followed exactly the same other protocols

After one month the results were in. No statiscally significant difference in infection rates between the two groups.

253428 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Nick Rose, #886 of 1714 🔗

Hurrah!
Will they listen . . .?

253429 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #887 of 1714 🔗

But the zealots will all jump on this phrase:-

“The study thus does not confirm the expected halving of the risk of infection of the wearer of the mask, but the results could indicate a more moderate degree of protection of 15-20 percent.”

If it saves one life, etc., etc.

253451 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Achilles, 7, #888 of 1714 🔗

I expect the BBC to publish an article tomorrow taking the 20% from this and the model of 500,000 deaths and conclude that masks save 100,00 lives. That’s the level of analysis we’re dealing with at the moment.

253580 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, #889 of 1714 🔗

Probably something more like ‘Danish study shows non-mask wearers have 80-85% risk of contracting Covid’, such is the grasp of stats by our modern media.

253430 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #890 of 1714 🔗

Zealots: either fingers in their ears or “BuT dRoPlEtS”

253505 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DRW, 2, #891 of 1714 🔗

Yes it will be upsetting for them, for doubt to be cast on the efficacy of their protective facegear.

253438 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #892 of 1714 🔗

So now you can sue the Council for imposing masks? Also they didn’t look at other infections caused by mask wearing. Although we have other studies from that.

253440 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #893 of 1714 🔗

Small possible effect using surgical masks. Most mask purchased are not surgical masks?

Also, if wearing a mask, does that alter your behaviour?

253457 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #894 of 1714 🔗

In English too (at least the summary is)

https://www.rigshospitalet.dk/english/news-and-media/news/Pages/2020/november/denmark-trial-measures-effectiveness-of-adding-a-mask-recommendation-to-other-public-health-measures-for-preventing-SARS-Co.aspx

While the evidence excludes a large personal protective effect of mask wearing, it weakly supports lesser degrees of protection, and cannot definitively exclude no effect.

253480 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #895 of 1714 🔗

I am amazed. I am astonished.
I am astounded.
My flabber has never been so gasted.

253483 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #896 of 1714 🔗

Out of interest, do we know which masks were used in the study? I am sure a study using solely virtue signalling cloth masks would have a very different outcome.

253515 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sarigan, 1, #897 of 1714 🔗

Surgical masks.

253484 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #898 of 1714 🔗

I smell a rat. How can it be healthy to restrict oxygen? I’ve read anecdotal stories of people developing bacterial pneumonia infections from wearing face masks. Then there’s the psychological damage.

253496 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #899 of 1714 🔗

Disappointing. I’d hoped that mask wearers would have higher infection rates.

This won’t affect policy, since we wear masks to protect others, not ourselves.

253605 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to A. Contrarian, #900 of 1714 🔗

Given that the majority I see wear cloth masks, there is a 2015 study that concludes that they may increase infection:

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/5/4/e006577.full.pdf

253529 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #901 of 1714 🔗

If you are Swiss you must be surprised!

253536 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #902 of 1714 🔗

Question marks on what has been left out of the study see this twitter thread

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1329073870540685313

253609 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #903 of 1714 🔗

Indeed, seems much has been missed from the original study design:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04337541

253635 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, #904 of 1714 🔗

I mean that’s take us no further than we saw in any study pre 2020. Wear one if you what, it does absolutely nothing for you. And any notion that they prevent others getting ill is just hopium

253717 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nick Rose, #905 of 1714 🔗

Two problems:

1. There was a v weak positive effect – about 1 in 300…enough for the rabid contingent to claim “if it saves just one life…”

2. Isn’t the official line that it stops you giving others Covid and that’s why you are commanded to wear it? To test that you’d probably have to have variable concentrations of mask wearers in similar locations eg 90%, 75%, 50%, 25% and 10%.

253421 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 21, #906 of 1714 🔗

I know I’m wasting my time, but I got some boilerplate response from my MP the other day so I sent him this:

Dear Mr XXXX,

I am writing in response to your letter to me, sent on the 12th November 2020. You are correct in saying that it was not the response I had hoped for, but not for the reason you may think. As an elected representative, you are entitled to disagree with your constituents. However, I am disappointed that your letter did not seem to address many of the issues I raised. In fact, it read more like a general statement of Conservative Party policy, and even incorrectly stated that I supported the ‘tiered approach’, which I do not.

I will first respond to your claim that ‘the science’ used to justify this unacceptable violation of our civil liberties is irrefutable. It is not particularly relevant to say that Mr Steve Baker found it difficult to refute ‘the science’. It is actually quite easy to refute, and has already been refuted and discredited by what I will call ‘the reality’. The government claimed, in its briefing to the public prior to announcing the second ‘lockdown’, that 4,000 people would be dying of (or often more accurately, ‘with’) COVID-19 per day by December. This outrageously inaccurate forecast, which was presented to the public on national television, was based on an estimate of 1,000 deaths per day by November 1st. In fact, there were just 162 announced on that day. This forecast was obviously out of date, and discredited by reality before it was even presented.

Do you think that it is acceptable to use out of date forecasts to frighten the public and justify these draconian measures? In fact, is it acceptable to use modelling as opposed to actual real world data to direct policy at all? Why were the government, the CMO and the CSA so keen to mislead the public, using forecasts they knew were out of date?

Secondly, you say that ‘on balance’ you believe that these restrictions are necessary. This would imply that you, or the government, have carried out a detailed cost-benefit analysis or impact assessment in relation to these measures. I have not seen such a document myself, but would be delighted if you could share it with me. Was such a document available to you prior to the date of the vote? To say that the measures are necessary ‘on balance’, implies that it is justified to sacrifice the lives of some, to do what you believe might save the lives of others. This is a grave judgment to make, and to do so without a proper analysis of the trade offs would be highly irresponsible. Indeed, in industry, it would be gross negligence.

Lastly, I touched on this point in my previous email, but did not receive a response to it. You say that the first duty of government is to ‘keep us safe’. I work in the aviation industry, a sector which has been decimated by these poorly thought through policies. I would like to ask, as a 28 year old man with two children, how destroying my career and hindering my ability to feed my family and pay for my home will keep me safe? For the most part, COVID-19, despite the protestations of Matt Hancock, is not a condition which badly affects healthy people of working age. This is evident in data from around the world. Choosing to destroy entire sectors which people rely on for income, and have poured years of study and hard work into, does not help to keep them safe. In the long term, it will also adversely affect people of pensionable age. A poorer nation is a sicker nation. Economic prosperity and the quality of the healthcare system are intrinsically linked.

Thank you for taking the time to read my email. I look forward to your response.

Yours sincerely,

Lockdown_Lunacy

253476 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 12, #907 of 1714 🔗

The risk of dying with the coronavirus is exactly the same as dying if the virus did not exist. The virus has had zero effect on mortality. In plain language, the only change in deaths has been what is written on the death certificates.

253578 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Steve Hayes, #908 of 1714 🔗

Indeed, it really is an inconsequential illness in the grand scheme of things.

253544 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #909 of 1714 🔗

Very well written LL. Keep battering on. My best wishes to you and your family.
Arnie.

253577 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Arnie, #910 of 1714 🔗

Thanks Arnie, the same to you and yours.

253678 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #911 of 1714 🔗

The latest reply from my MP was thanking me for my enquiry about Marcus Rashford and food policies. Wonder who actually got my reply or maybe it was the standard letter of the week…considering I’ve never mentioned MR

254091 ▶▶ gina, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #912 of 1714 🔗

That’s a great email.

253455 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 6, #913 of 1714 🔗

Some interesting news from a friend in the American Midwest:

https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/health/2020/11/18/coronavirus-vaccine-could-arrive-iowa-before-approval-give-shots-against-covid-19/6322619002/

In that three- to four-week time frame after the first dose, the product will be hitting the market very, very rapidly,” Sharp said. He said the advice has been, “Get as many shots into as many arms as you can with that initial allocation, and additional supplies will be on the way.

So the States are pressing ahead with widespread distribution even before federal approval has been given. This speaks for itself in so many ways.

253470 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Richard O, 4, #914 of 1714 🔗

Aired Sunday the 8th of November, one day before Pfeiser`s announcement.

Operation Warp Speed: Planning the distribution of a future COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=240DMmhgp4M&ab_channel=60Minutes

253478 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Richard O, 11, #915 of 1714 🔗

How can this possibly end well? None of it makes sense, probably because there’s either something very sinister going on behind the scenes, or there’s something we’re not being told. An emergency vaccine which bypasses regulatory approval would only be justified in the case of a really severe disease that kills tens/hundreds of millions across the globe across all age groups and demographics. Last time I checked, Covid had claimed 0.017% of the world population, and even then the death figures are not trustworthy given how generously deaths are recorded around the world and given that many of these victims may have died of something else.

253487 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Poppy, 9, #916 of 1714 🔗

I sincerely believe that this only ends with hundreds of millions of deaths or severe injuries worldwide due to the mass vaccination. It has to get this dark before enough people wake up and rebel.

253606 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 1, #917 of 1714 🔗

The USA. Which once had slaves picking the red ones out of packets of Smarties because they contained a dangerous additive.

253463 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #918 of 1714 🔗

Been asked about the Judgement in our Court of Appeal hearing. We have no updates on this I’m afraid and no power to hurry up the Judges unfortunately. They will simply take as long as they need.

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1328755397453373440

Anyone care to guess when the judgement will be published

253503 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Victoria, 1, #919 of 1714 🔗

I would put money on it being towards the latter part of next week or very early December.

253508 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Victoria, 5, #920 of 1714 🔗

Probably after 2 Dec, so like last time they can say that it doesn’t really matter any more because we’re not in lockdown.

253479 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 19, #921 of 1714 🔗

In the light of the fat dictators latest pronouncements on his policy goals, are there any of you out there that still believe that covid fascism is just a mistake and nothing to do with the great green reset?

If you do believe that could you publish a list of the drugs you are taking – I would like to take some of the same.

The funny thing is, I don’t remember voting for any of this shit last election time – must be my incipient dementia I suppose.

Welcome to the beginning of the end of civilisation.

253489 ▶▶ Ze brave new world, replying to Old Bill, 2, #922 of 1714 🔗

Funny old Bill… Like they needed your vote on that one. Fuhrer Schwab asks for no permission.

253499 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Old Bill, 5, #923 of 1714 🔗

Voting is a mug’s game. Banks win, war profiteers win, you lose. Every. Single. Time.

253500 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Old Bill, 6, #924 of 1714 🔗

I wouldn’t call covid fascism a mistake – it’s being done deliberately, in my view to further the PM’s political career (in his mind, anyway). I think the green stuff is him wanting to appear cuddly. Being attracted to utopian solutions is not uncommon, and he has many character flaws.

Red wine is my main drug of choice.

253510 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Old Bill, 3, #925 of 1714 🔗

The Public is on Government LSD, I am sure of it.

253521 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #926 of 1714 🔗

Can we get some?

253852 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, #927 of 1714 🔗

You don’t want THEIR LSD it drives you crazy

253604 ▶▶ annie, replying to Old Bill, 8, #928 of 1714 🔗

Now let me prophesy.
This will end.
Things will go back to normal.
Shops will take cash.
People will have cars.
People will take cheap flights for holidays in sunny foreign climes.
People will go to pubs.

Let’s compare the outcome of our respective prophecies in a year’s time.

253486 Ze brave new world, replying to Ze brave new world, 3, #929 of 1714 🔗

By the looks of things they have prepared something much nastier for us:
https://youtu.be/5ZRg5kiH9Is

253507 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ze brave new world, 2, #930 of 1714 🔗

Tie that up with the vid of Gates smiling

253974 ▶▶ Tommy the Cat, replying to Ze brave new world, #931 of 1714 🔗

Worked for Bill Gates before WEF

253493 Mrs issedoff, 7, #932 of 1714 🔗

Apparently Piers Morgan was spouting off this morning and saying people should just ‘suck it up’ if christmas doesn’t happen. Would I have a special dispensation to do away with him without a prison sentence resulting?!. This man is obnoxious and narcissistic, I can’t look at his ugly mug or listen to his ranting. I was doing everyone a favour, honest mi Lord.

253511 Adam, 3, #933 of 1714 🔗

The sooner the great British public grow a pair and defend their rights dump the Johnson Government out of office along with the complicit Starmer led Labor party then things will get better https://www.saveourrights.uk

253516 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 6, #934 of 1714 🔗

I suspect a lot of older lockdown zealots are going to be angry when they realise they are slowly going to lose their savings through inflation and negative interest rates. If they lose, for example 5% in real terms each year it is going to be pretty painful.

Negative rates have ‘significant benefits’, says HaldaneBank of England’s chief economist says digital currency could ease the move to going below zero
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/11/18/negative-rates-have-significant-benefits-says-haldane/

253517 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Darryl, 2, #935 of 1714 🔗

And younger people saving for house deposits.

253527 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Darryl, 9, #936 of 1714 🔗

Indeed.

No sympathy for any of the collaborators once they realise they don’t have an income or a job or a business

253540 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Darryl, 3, #937 of 1714 🔗

I’m no economist but from what I gather we are heading for either negative interest rates or hyper inflation. Both terrible outcomes.

253559 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JHuntz, 2, #938 of 1714 🔗

Yes, all to benefit the biggest borrower in the country – The State. I suppose if if have an inflation proof Income and Pension like the Haydene at the Bank of England you don’t lose much sleep. These people are very well connected and have their own saving positioned safely.

253555 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Adamb, #940 of 1714 🔗

Can you dig out a link to the original study? Can’t get past the pay wall

253523 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 21, #942 of 1714 🔗

How dare they tell us who we can ******g tell us who we can mix with. The Tories are done if they don’t remove Johnson and Hancock, minimum

253532 ▶▶ Edward Lear, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #943 of 1714 🔗

Dan – I’ve been effing and jeffing all afternoon since I read about this – those cheeky fucking bastards!!!!!

253543 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Edward Lear, 3, #944 of 1714 🔗

The shower at Number Ten are making about as much sense with their ‘announcements’ as a purple-can philosopher on a park bench. Why anyone pays them the slightest heed I know not.

253533 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #945 of 1714 🔗

The Covid Recovery Group has enough members to trigger a leadership contest.

253550 ▶▶ Ze brave new world, replying to Dan Clarke, #946 of 1714 🔗
253563 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #947 of 1714 🔗

They are done full stop.

253525 chris, replying to chris, 19, #948 of 1714 🔗

Boris just announced £12 in promises, proposals petrol car bans and waffle spread over 10 years, just to appease the greenies. On the other hand he also just authorised £100B to test a largely uninfected population. The NHS annual budget is £137B.

How on earth did we end up with such a corrupt and ignorant government?

253528 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to chris, 11, #949 of 1714 🔗

Because millions of people were duped into voting for that fat fuck in December 2019.

Even without Covid, he would have driven this nation into the ground.

253552 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Richard O, 7, #950 of 1714 🔗

Laura Perrin’s on Conservative Woman sussed Boris some time ago. A man largely led by little Boris and is short of cash – NOT a good combination for untainted leadership.

253554 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Richard O, 4, #951 of 1714 🔗

They weren’t ‘duped’; they are the great unthinking lump who sit before their wide plasma screen televisions uncritically absorbing the mindless crap spewing out. They are simply too stupid to be allowed to vote and they should not be. Unqualified universal suffrage is a very bad idea.

253557 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to William Gruff, 2, #952 of 1714 🔗

I’ve long been of the opinion that you are not allowed to vote if you can’t get 3 basic political questions right before the voting booth. To see if people have been paying attention.

253562 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to William Gruff, 2, #953 of 1714 🔗

Who gets to decide who has the right to vote and who doesn’t?

253570 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #954 of 1714 🔗

I think it should be a legal requirement to vote for everyone aged 16 or over.

However, there should always be an option at the bottom of the list that says, “None of the above.”

If the “None of the above” party wins, the political system should be changed.

253597 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mabel Cow, #955 of 1714 🔗

If one has to do something, it is not a right, it is a duty. Voting is a right.

253537 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chris, 3, #956 of 1714 🔗

They already spent two hundred billion on the various job protection schemes.

253546 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to chris, 2, #957 of 1714 🔗

‘We’ voted it for it, over many decades. I didn’t; I spoil my ballot paper when there is not a credible independent candidate, or a reasonable fringe party (by reasonable I mean having some chance of making a sizeable dent in the sitting party’s majority)

253598 ▶▶ petgor, replying to chris, 2, #958 of 1714 🔗

I am still waiting for someone to explain why testing has any point unless they test everybody all of the time. It is just one more thing that makes no sense.

253614 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to petgor, 1, #959 of 1714 🔗

I’ve been saying this for ages. Why are we testing? As soon as you have the test, it is null and void as you may then catch it two minutes after you have the test, highly unlikely but plausible. It’s absolute madness.

253530 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #960 of 1714 🔗

The Danish mask study has finally been published after repeated rejections. I suspect that In order to get it published the authors redrafted some of the paper. It concludes that mask wearing may provide some slight protection (even though there was no significant difference between the intervention and control groups). This looks to me a lot like something that happens in the area of Climate science (yes I know there’s no such thing). Studies are published where nothing in them supports the Climate Change narrative except a few sentences at the beginning and the end that are characterised by words such as may and could and might. Such sentences are included because the authors know they will not be published and will not receive future funding if they do not kowtow to the Climate Change agenda.

253560 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #961 of 1714 🔗

I’d suspected as much.

However, it is a RCT yes? Conclusively proving that it protects others would be unethical. And, if there was any benefit it would have been shown. If its good enough for Pfzier it’s good enough for this. Masks are not effective.

253534 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #962 of 1714 🔗

Lateral flow tests in Liverpool show positive results at HALF that of PCR tests

Suggests then that half of all deaths WITH Covid,are in fact nothing of the sort

The entire lockdown and the devastation is based on entirely incorrect data

This is a scandal of unique proportions

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1328749631979786240

253631 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, 2, #963 of 1714 🔗

Sadly I suspect the devastation is the desired effect.

Lockdowns are hitting the right people financially – the poor and vulnerable. The wealthy are doing very well from the Great Reset the Dow Jones index in the US is at record highs as are many other asset prices. I don’t believe for a minute the elite will miss out on any healthcare.

253656 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Victoria, #964 of 1714 🔗

I’m not sure this is right. I haven’t seen anywhere conclusive evidence that the same people were given both tests. The danger here is that we’re comparing apples & pears. It’s beyond comprehension that people testing positive for the LFT weren’t also given a PCR test, unless someone doesn’t want to know how they compare?

253538 William Gruff, replying to William Gruff, 15, #965 of 1714 🔗

A random thought, prompted by a comment below, in which the writer referred to the usual argument that anything is permissible and acceptable ‘if it saves just one life’: If I am prepared to sacrifice my own life in defence of my personal freedom why should I tolerate the destruction of that freedom to save the lives of people in whom I have no interest and do not know?

253549 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to William Gruff, 10, #966 of 1714 🔗

NICE has a formula for how much public money it is reasonable to spend to save a life. It is twenty thousand pounds per year of perfect health.

The government has already spent two hundred billion on the various job support schemes never mind all the other expenditures. But the decision to introduce the lockdown back in March was made without any attempt to assess how many people would die as a result of those measures, never mind all the other harms.

There is nothing about the government’s responses to the virus that make sense if we accept at face value that their motivation is to save lives.

253553 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to William Gruff, 4, #967 of 1714 🔗

Great post.

An individual cannot save a life.

The person either has to have an immune system that will be able to fight the invaders (we are exposed to much more dangerous pathogens every day)
or
they will need to live in a plastic bubble (even then they could succumb as we need to be exposed to viruses, bacteria and other pathogens on a daily basis to build immunity) and will decline mentally

253545 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 8, #968 of 1714 🔗

Scotland is now one of the most over-governed, bureaucratised countries in the western world

The best article I have seen about the real outcome of scottish devolution by andrew neil. Lockdown clearly being an extension of this. Do as your told or else!

Scotland the brave, my arse!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8959789/After-13-years-power-SNP-failed-needed-help-most.html

253551 ▶▶ john, replying to Tony Rattray, 13, #969 of 1714 🔗

i think Mark Renton sums it up nicely….

It’s SHITE being Scottish! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don’t. They’re just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can’t even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We’re ruled by effete assholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any fucking difference

253601 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to john, 1, #970 of 1714 🔗

Hail to the Tartan Twats.
Not that the Welsh Wimps are any better. I’m ashamed of my Welsh blood.
And I’m not all that proud of my English blood either.

253603 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tony Rattray, 1, #971 of 1714 🔗

I read about a Scottish woman who killed herself because of lockdown. Her daughter tweeted about it:

#hernamewasyvonne

253547 KBuchanan, 2, #972 of 1714 🔗

It may have already been mentioned on here but Professor Dolores Cahill’s latest on youtube is good. A little dry in patches and alternately optimistic and scary well worth watching. She mentions that coronavirus was the wrong pandemic in terms of keeping us all frit all the time as it is seasonal. Her group of Doctors is setting up lawyers groups etc worldwide which gives some hope of this “gig” being up. She is due to be in England from the 23rd November (sure Priti useless Patel is already working on keeping her out).

253556 Tenchy, 5, #973 of 1714 🔗

This has been posted below by Sue ( https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/18/latest-news-197/#comment-253249 ) , but I make no apology for posting it again so soon. Please listen to the YouTube clip, it’s superb.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=uEo3rnU12jw

When will this message ever get through to the politicians and the sheeple?

253558 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #974 of 1714 🔗

Article published on 5 November 2016
What Will The Global Economy Look Like After The “Great Reset”?

Headings:


  • Initial Crisis
  • Thinning Of The Financial Herd
  • Currency Devaluation
  • The Digitization Of All Trade
  • Consolidation Of Government Power
  • The End Of Private Production And Business
  • Carbon Output And Environmental Extortion

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-11/what-will-global-economy-look-after-great-reset

253568 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Victoria, 6, #975 of 1714 🔗

It’s almost like they had a time machine. It’s just sad that the majority literally can’t see what’s happening right in front of them.

253565 captainbeefheart, 13, #976 of 1714 🔗

Ready in time for XMAS:

We’ve teamed up with the boffins at ICL and have rushed out this new game based on some of their computer models, ready in time for Christmas…

On some systems (Spectrum 48K version in particular) it crashes quite a lot because we’ve not quite fixed all of the bugs in it yet.

Apart from that, it’s up to 100% accurate.
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253566 Victoria, 11, #977 of 1714 🔗

Lord Lawson on Boris Johnson’s plans for a green industrial revolution

https://twitter.com/aDissentient/status/1329080202421440512

253571 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #978 of 1714 🔗

Long shot but can anyone direct me to the site that collates information about anti-lockdown protests? I read somewhere that there is one in York this weekend which I can now attend.

253776 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #979 of 1714 🔗

I periodically check these websites:

https://www.standupx.info/
https://saveourrights.uk/upcoming-events/
https://www.stopnewnormal.net/

Not sure if that’s exactly what you’re after.

253787 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to mattghg, #980 of 1714 🔗

Cheers 😊

254081 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Fiona Walker, #981 of 1714 🔗

You’re welcome 🙂

253573 Victoria, replying to Victoria, #982 of 1714 🔗

So what did you learn at university today?

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1329081394857873413

253574 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #983 of 1714 🔗

University of Oxford

253575 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, #984 of 1714 🔗

University of Bristol

253581 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Victoria, 5, #985 of 1714 🔗

“Bathroom”? It’s a fucking “TOILET” you bunch of bone heads! Hopefully someone will quickly deface these disgusting signs.

253584 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Victoria, 5, #986 of 1714 🔗

Wow, a free pass for pervs.

253596 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 2, #987 of 1714 🔗

Never mind the wrong bog. It’s the wrong trousers you need to worry about. Ask Wallace.

253640 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Victoria, 5, #988 of 1714 🔗

People are getting worried about the freedom to use the wrong bog, when the freedom for everyone to associate in non-lavatorial situations is at risk of being taken from them, forever.

253602 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 1, #989 of 1714 🔗

I’m more worried about the Great Reset

253576 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #990 of 1714 🔗

Paul Boys. What a hero.

The activist journalist in this is a total disgrace. Spouts pure propaganda.

ITV interview I secretly filmed…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_0YAj4uANc

253600 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 9, #991 of 1714 🔗

Paul Boys is amazing.

She is clearly trying to put him in a bad light and how irresponsible he is and Paul quotes data, statistics etc. “ You keep spouting figures to me that is massively inaccurate “.

Well done. We need many more people like him.

253630 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #992 of 1714 🔗

Well done that man. What an absolute disgrace the media are. She didn’t like how well made his NAZI Germany point was.

253589 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #994 of 1714 🔗

Have you seen Iain Davies’ blog post? He argues that the virus does not exist. https://in-this-together.com/covid-19-evidence-of-global-fraud/

253590 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #995 of 1714 🔗

It isn’t.

253613 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #996 of 1714 🔗

I’m guessing it’s not true. Loads of other NHS staff would have broken cover if it was.

253582 stefarm, 5, #997 of 1714 🔗

Come on then, this is getting fucking stupid now. Dolly chops, can I have my ball back I want to go home for my tea

253588 Old Bill, 11, #998 of 1714 🔗

After much rigorous investigation I managed to uncover what could be the key to the whole covid game.

Apparently every 101 years when the century and year numbers coincide – so 1818, 1919, 2020, and even 2121 if you are considering living that long (it won’t be worth it), – April fools day lasts for an entire year, not just one day!

So you can fully expect on April 1st 2021 Bojo will appear on breakfast television and greet you with his usual inane grin and the immortal words “Century Fool!”. “I really didn’t think I would be able to keep up the joke for the whole year, that is why I had to keep ‘self isolating’ all the time”. “Oh boy, you should see all the cctv footage we have got of you dancing out of the way of the unmasked, it is enough to keep the bbc in outtake programs for a whole year, you have got to admit it, this was a good one”.

“Anyway, you can get back to normal now, it was only a joke”.

Well, it’s as believable as any scenario he’s postulated.

253593 Achilles, 9, #999 of 1714 🔗

From Patrick Vallance’s Wikipedia entry:-

In 2018, he was one of nine scientific advisers who, in a paper in Nature , called for “inclusive, rigorous, transparent, and accessible information for policy makers” and supported the Evidence-Based Research Network.

So I assume then you’re going to come out and tell us that masks are ineffective and we no longer need to wear them then Patrick?……Patrick?……woohoo Patrick?……

253594 Ben, replying to Ben, 32, #1000 of 1714 🔗
253753 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ben, 1, #1001 of 1714 🔗

Yellow box – interesting idea – must be the masks then!

253608 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 25, #1002 of 1714 🔗

reply from my MP this afternoon

I have recently joined the Covid Recovery Group, a new backbench group formed to fight the imposition of a third national lockdown. I believe the country is badly in need of a different and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep living under a series of damaging lockdowns and seemingly arbitrary restrictions”

253611 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 18, #1003 of 1714 🔗

Good news, but if they are in favour of masks, social distancing and vaccines (which I suspect many of them are) then they can still fuck off.

253615 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, 7, #1004 of 1714 🔗

quite. its progress, but he promised me a few weeks ago (‘I give you my word’ etc) that he would fight against a second lockdown – before voting for it

253618 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to steve_w, 3, #1005 of 1714 🔗

the very fact they’ve mentioned a 3rd lockdown means it’s already planned in my opinion

253620 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1006 of 1714 🔗

they seem to believe Neil Ferguson’s paper 9. Which means the next 15 are planned

253622 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1007 of 1714 🔗

Very good point. Preparing the public for Lockdown 3, 4, 5 and on ad infinitum.

253626 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, #1008 of 1714 🔗

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-03-16-COVID19-Report-9.pdf

page 12 is what they are planning/expect. They just didn’t factor in the summer/seasonal suppression

253806 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to steve_w, #1009 of 1714 🔗

Just had a fairly broad read of that report. Explains a lot about how we got here. Noted their references to Herd immunity, one for Wankcock to answer right there – especially as they seem to have an element of Barrington in their assumptions of social distancing for the > 70’s. Basically. U.K. policy comes out of Neil Ferguson. That’s it. Nothing else to see here.

253612 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 4, #1010 of 1714 🔗

Don’t know if this appears earlier but the Danish RCT re facemasks has been published.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

There is no statistically significance difference between the infection rate in the control group and the group who wore masks.

The mask group did have a slightly lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection than the control group (1.8% vs 2.1%) but this is not statistically significant. We must also bear in mind that the masks worn were surgical masks and not dirty bits of old cloth!

No doubt this will be spun as evidence for masks by the Covidistas!

253617 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to DocRC, 2, #1011 of 1714 🔗

The riposte will be along the lines of “if it saves just one life …”, and they’ll latch onto the 1.8 vs 2.1.

253644 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to DocRC, 4, #1012 of 1714 🔗

given that surgical masks make no difference, bits of cloth will make it worse – less distancing, risk compensation, same ‘mask’ for 3 months without washing etc.

To me this is clear evidence ‘shitty masks are worse than no masks’.

253648 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to DocRC, #1013 of 1714 🔗

The difference, as they say is stastically insignificant. What the maskers will point to is that at the time of the study hardly anyone in Denmark was wearing a mask. So they will fall back on the argument that wearing one is to protect the other person not the one wearing the mask. So the study is irrelevant, as it only measures whether the wearer has more risk of infection.
Its very clever, the argument that society is to be proected from the individual is very difficult to refute one there is general acceptance of the precautionary principle, which unfortunately all our laws/instructions now incorporate.
Its a useful study but it doesn’t provide any sort of knock out blow. Given the control levers of (mis)information are with the state its difficult to see how one is obtained.

253653 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DocRC, 2, #1014 of 1714 🔗

One has to ask why the Covid warriors were so worried about this study that they chose to put pressure on to keep it from circulation?

In essence, it simply confirms previous findings, albeit with the backing of a proper RCT.

Perhaps the feverish response is a confirmation of the shaky foundation of the whole narrative – and the need to keep persistently chipping away with the data pick! They know that the current theatrical performance is due for a short run if the actual truth emerges.

253660 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to DocRC, 2, #1015 of 1714 🔗

Already seeing them saying that this is no evidence against masks protecting others so masks still need to be worn.

No amount of actual evidence will change their narrative.

253699 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1016 of 1714 🔗

This has been the argument for some time.

253696 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to DocRC, #1017 of 1714 🔗

The problem is the argument in favour of masks moved on some time ago.

Apparently, masks protect others – not the wearer.

253710 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 1, #1018 of 1714 🔗

More “allegedly” than “apparently”.

253769 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Mayo, #1019 of 1714 🔗

The perfect loop. Almost like a behavioural science expert sat on a panel and said “hey listen to this idea I had”.

253836 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Mayo, #1020 of 1714 🔗

Unless you’re at a Trump rally, or President Trump himself, and subsequently test positive, in which case it’s your fault for giving it to yourself for not wearing a mask.

253621 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #1021 of 1714 🔗

Excuse the length of the following long quotation from Claire Craig’s interview, mentioned in today’s edition and helpfully transcribed by a reader.

It is worth a considered read, as she recalls the early days of the onset of the pandemic in March:

When COVID hit in spring, it was a really horrid killer, and we’ve kind of forgotten quite how bad it was. If you go back and try and remember how we were feeling in March and how the news came out and how… So let me take you through the timeline, actually. The 21st of March, news broke that 21 year old Chloe Middleton, who was healthy, had died at home of COVID, which had us all slightly on edge, I think. And then on the 28th of March, Martin Egan, who was a bus driver, died. And the first NHS surgeon who was working had died. The next day was another death of a bus driver, and a 55 year old healthy NHS physician died. And by five days later, we were told five Transport for London bus drivers had died. The next day five NHS staff had died. It was really quick, and it was killing young people who should not have been dying, and it was worth being scared of in March and April.”

Why is it significant?

Basically – because it is a really telling example of the pull of a media narrative if you are not paying attention to the detailed overall picture.

Remember – Claire Craig has done sterling work in highlighting the facts of the later casedemic. But her recall of the onset is coloured by media images of exceptional and untypical cases.

Yes – there were such cases, but, as we know with analytical hindsight, they were rare. Even the large number of deaths amongst the older and more vulnerable population, when put into context, resulted in a death toll that was high, but not exceptional in overall historical terms. The virus really was not a ‘horrid killer’ above and beyond most strongish agents of respiratory disease that occur in the normal run of things.

So – an intelligent, statistically and scientifically aware person comes up with this image when not looking specifically at the data.

What hope for changing the perceptions of the brainwashed section of the population at large?

253632 ▶▶ Liam, replying to RickH, 6, #1022 of 1714 🔗

Chloe Middleton did not die of Covid. It was almost certainly a heart attack. The probability that Covid killed a healthy 21 year old back in March and then just stopped killing healthy people of that age anywhere else in the world is non-existent.

253647 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Liam, 3, #1023 of 1714 🔗

Even if it is true the probability is likely to be less than that of a healthy 21 year old dying through an unexpected reaction to a vaccine.

253765 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Liam, #1024 of 1714 🔗

People younger than 21 die of flu every year all over the world. So the story is ? I am sad for her family, but if a child dies of cancer do those who want everyone locked up insist we lock up for that ? Why not if you care so much ?

254104 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to RickH, #1025 of 1714 🔗

Your point is well made.

“What hope for changing the perceptions of the brainwashed section of the population at large?”

Quite.

253864 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Jay Berger, #1027 of 1714 🔗

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

It has now been published in annals of Internal medicine,not bad.

253872 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #1028 of 1714 🔗

The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.

253624 Will, replying to Will, 4, #1029 of 1714 🔗

One thing I noticed on the Reich ministry of Public enlightenment and Propaganda is that none of these vaccines have been tested on people who have had the virus.

253658 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Will, 1, #1030 of 1714 🔗

Wonder if you’ll need to have a test first?

253628 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -1, #1031 of 1714 🔗

Is messenger RNA such a new experimental technology?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1748013219301483

253633 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #1032 of 1714 🔗

3 decades with none approved? Would make me want to question it.

253645 ▶▶ guy153, replying to MutzNutz, 4, #1033 of 1714 🔗

The vaccines have never been used on humans before. I think some are used on animals though. Who were all fine. Right up to the point when they were made into pies.

This probably has more to do with the fact that in normal times there’s no money in vaccines.

253982 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to guy153, 1, #1034 of 1714 🔗

Hilarious! I needed a laugh

253839 ▶▶ jojo, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1035 of 1714 🔗

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/

“The story of mRNA: How a once-dismissed idea became a leading technology in the Covid vaccine race”

It is a good article on the history of custom made mRNA development, BioNTech and Moderna.

253629 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 15, #1036 of 1714 🔗

Reports emerging of 25 day lockdown after to counter 5 day Christmas ‘freedom’. Surely, if this thing is so deadly, allowing people to mix over Christmas is knowingly exposing the nation to risk and potential death and harm? Can they be held accountable for that? No government in the world would get away with actively allowing exposure to a deadly contagion.

253634 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1037 of 1714 🔗

Exactly, how will they fudge the numbers after Christmas though when nothing increases above the norm? ie. how will they try and increase PCR testing to show the numbers going up.

253636 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1038 of 1714 🔗

That’s exactly what will happen. They’ll be doing very little testing over the Christmas week and then ramp it up again in the New Year. Boom! The pandemics back.

253643 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 3, #1039 of 1714 🔗

They don’t even need to do any actual testing. They can just say that they have and it is the truth. Through the looking glass.

253650 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, 4, #1040 of 1714 🔗

I don’t know why they are testing now. They can just ask ferguson to model what testing would give us if we did it and save the money

253659 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 1, #1041 of 1714 🔗

Given the widespread reports of empty test centres, I suspect the sole source of data is currently hospital admissions plus a few Excel tweaks.

253637 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1042 of 1714 🔗

The latest SAGE modelling will just show 10,000 deaths a day without one.

253761 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DRW, #1043 of 1714 🔗

A Christmas Carol is the greatest work of fiction. But SAGE modelling comes close.

Are we at 2000 deaths and 100,000 infections a day now ?

253638 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1044 of 1714 🔗

“Christmas of death”

If they really believe their own bollox, we will be locked down over Christmas – can you imagine the headlines!

253652 ▶▶ JYC, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1045 of 1714 🔗

Yes, if they genuinely believed Covid to be the terrible threat they have been telling us it is, this would be grossly irresponsible. What will it take for the UK public to waken up?

253742 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1046 of 1714 🔗

I really hope the arbitrariness of 5 days over Christmas wakes the public up to how none of this makes any sense. If this was really about a deadly virus then the govt wouldn’t be quibbling about how many days they can graciously let us out of our hutches for. Beth Rigby’s saying on Twitter how most people are going to see families over Christmas, regardless of rules. I am convinced that the majority of people think this is all BS but are complying for fear of a fine or social ostracism.

253756 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1047 of 1714 🔗

So you want to drop a present over to someone the weekend before Christmas and maybe have a cuppa, that’s going to be illegal. Oh ok ! That’s “generous”. What Wanker thought that was a good move ?

You want to spend New Years with your friends & family. Nah. Illegal. Actually illegal. What Wanker thought that was a good move ?

It’s pathetic. Anyone and I do mean anyone who accepts this now is simply a collaborator.

There are reasons why Christmas happens when it does. There are reasons why it’s important to societies to leave it alone. There are reasons why even suggesting it’s a controlled and optional time of year are absolutely vile and abhorrent.

253803 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1048 of 1714 🔗

25 day lockdown after to counter 5 day Christmas ‘freedom’.”

Yep. All total, illogical bollocks – obviously set up to see how far the public can be pushed to behave illogically and gullibly.

Sadly, my bet is – ‘quite far’.

253977 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1049 of 1714 🔗

This Christmas “gift” from our leader stinks ……

It seems like some measly parent/Father Christmas telling the children that their stocking will be empty if they have been bad boys or girls.

Anyway, Christmas is something which people should be free to celebrate or not celebrate in any way they choose without some edict hanging over them. I’m getting sick of his stuff now.

253639 guy153, replying to guy153, 18, #1050 of 1714 🔗

Danish mask study has been published!

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

About 3000 people told to wear masks, 3000 told not to bother.

1.8% of maskers got Covid vs 2.1% of bare-facers. They differ by 0.3%, but this is statistically insignificant because the 95CI was -0.4% to 1.2%.

The twitter shitstorm denouncing this result will generate more heat than light but should be highly entertaining.

253641 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to guy153, 5, #1051 of 1714 🔗

Follow the science … unless the science doesnt fit the narrative then the science is wrong

253783 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Ricky R, #1052 of 1714 🔗

You don’t under The Science if reality doesn’t fit The Science reality is wrong.
The Science is never wrong and only changes when the politics changes.

253646 ▶▶ calchas, replying to guy153, 6, #1053 of 1714 🔗

It should be noted that they were surgical masks..

253676 ▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to calchas, 5, #1054 of 1714 🔗

They received 50 masks each for a month from a controlled source, most people use a mask for a week or even a month.

253785 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to jrsm, 5, #1055 of 1714 🔗

I’ve had the same mask for months it’s still like new

253649 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to guy153, 7, #1056 of 1714 🔗

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/18/latest-news-197/#comment-253612

Danish mask trial- my earlier comment. I think it is also worth adding that this earlier RCT which compared cloth masks to surgical masks in health care workers showed an increased risk of influenza-like illness and other respiratory infections in the cloth mask arm!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/

253680 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DocRC, 4, #1057 of 1714 🔗

At the very least any person who loves the mask will admit that it’s up to the person. If they want to just live on fairy tales, that’s fine…just stay out of my way. I’ll be muzzle free and you can hide away in fear. We are all free to do that aren’t we?

253750 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1058 of 1714 🔗

A mask is to an adult what a comfort blanket is to a child. It’s that simple.

253734 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to guy153, 1, #1059 of 1714 🔗

One thing mentioned in the study was that the study does not test for source control (ie: does someone wearing a mask, with COVID, spread the virus less than an unmasked person?) – this was always the argument for the pro-mask lot – “protect others”.

I was thinking about this on the way home. Surely if a mask doesn’t protect the wearer (ie: it is “invisible” to the virus), the reverse must logically be true (except for larger droplets). The larger droplet spread was discredited I think, but I don’t have a reference.

253779 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Ozzie, #1060 of 1714 🔗

But as so few people wear ever infected it was never going to be possible to prove that masks have an effect on transmission but if you stay home if sick (very sensible) the point is irrelevant.

254006 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Ozzie, #1061 of 1714 🔗

It doesn’t have to be symmetrical and we don’t know if masks protect others. That would be practically impossible to set up as an RCT.

Masks supposedly work by altering the velocity of some of the droplets basically. So there will be some situations like yelling in someone’s face, or doing open heart surgery, but probably not shopping in Tesco, where they probably make a difference.

253738 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to guy153, 2, #1062 of 1714 🔗

We need to start spreading the word about this study – I notice that one press article below spins the outcome to fit the current narrative.

253747 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to guy153, 3, #1063 of 1714 🔗

A 6000 person controlled study proves no statistical benefit from masks.

A 6 guniea pig behind a curtain study showed a potential benefit from masks.

The world wears masks.

Humanity is full of dim wits !

253847 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to guy153, 1, #1064 of 1714 🔗

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

No wonder they couldn’t get it published.

253642 Stuart, 5, #1065 of 1714 🔗

Freedom might not be just for Christmas, but the antibodies of a butcher’s dog last for ever.

253654 steph, replying to steph, #1066 of 1714 🔗

UU

253655 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to steph, #1067 of 1714 🔗

??

253657 ▶▶ steph, replying to steph, 1, #1068 of 1714 🔗

? Ignore!!

253661 DRW, replying to DRW, 21, #1069 of 1714 🔗

I went out for a walk this evening and it occured to me how worthless everything is now. Even the small river and surrounding trees just all felt like plastic scenery. All I could think about was the empty, hollow present and even darker future. Yet so many are still fast asleep.
I really am not much longer for this world.

253669 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DRW, 6, #1070 of 1714 🔗

I feel the same sometimes, by the time the masses realise it’ll be too late and life will just be existing, not living.

253672 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to DRW, 15, #1071 of 1714 🔗

Keep yer chin up. You made through another day.

253687 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 17, #1072 of 1714 🔗

There are huge demonstrations against lockdown cruelty going on around the world right now. Your voice will resonate with many, which helps humanity. You are valuable and worthy

253691 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 7, #1073 of 1714 🔗

I gave up going out for walks months ago for precisely these reasons. All public spaces have been defiled beyond repair.

Thankfully I am not as attached to the external world as many are, so this has been a surprisingly comfortable adjustment.

253704 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 2, #1074 of 1714 🔗

If you take no pleasure in Nature then indeed you might as well be dead. Nature doesn’t give a damn for Covidiocy. Why project your misery on to her? That is pathetic fallacy, and I mean pathetic.
Brew a cuppa and snap out of it.

253709 ▶▶ Liam, replying to DRW, 18, #1075 of 1714 🔗

Keep going. Live to see revenge. I don’t want to miss the ending of the film, that’s what keeps me going.

253749 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Liam, 7, #1076 of 1714 🔗

Yes, making life difficult for the tyrants is a good motivation. Humanity is lost if these people win.

253729 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 11, #1077 of 1714 🔗

Hang in there. We have our up and down days but you’re in good company here.

253731 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DRW, 12, #1078 of 1714 🔗

You could not be more wrong. What you see in the trees and in the small river and scenery is life. That’s what living is, family aside, all the other bullshit these idiots try to take from you does not matter. They take what you mostly don’t need. Find the joy in space, outdoor and in that sense of freedom. I don’t for a minute reject any idea that them imposing this horror on us does not have an effect, but you will get through it and be a stronger, wiser person for the experience. All the best.

253782 ▶▶ chaos, replying to DRW, 6, #1079 of 1714 🔗

hang in there. meditate.
the great reset is coming undone.

253886 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to DRW, 5, #1080 of 1714 🔗

Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all.
– Dale Carnegie

You need to be here to see them pay. We will carry you if needs be.

253936 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to DRW, 5, #1081 of 1714 🔗

Do not let these soulless fuckwits ruin your life, whatever stupid ‘reset’ cobblers are projected by the psychopaths natural law always wins…

254168 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to DRW, 3, #1082 of 1714 🔗

Our love of freedom is stronger that any government .Look again at nature and take strength from it .You are not alone we will overcome this so hang in there.Steady under fire because we need you in this ongoing and coming struggle .

253663 stefarm, replying to stefarm, #1083 of 1714 🔗

Before Agenda 21/30: Richard Day and The New Order of Barbarians

Make of this what you wish

http://www.renegadetribune.com/before-agenda-21-30-richard-day-and-the-new-order-of-barbarians/

253834 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #1084 of 1714 🔗

Alex mentioned it on UK Column. Thanks for linking it.

Much of what he describes is already becoming evident.

253911 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, #1085 of 1714 🔗

Indeed

253665 wendyk, 14, #1086 of 1714 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/we-need-to-protect-the-free-speech-of-dissident-doctors/

Excellent article in The Critic by a dissident doctor.

Secondly, a brief visit to GP today for final round of cryotherapy.

He was interested in my lanyard and wanted to know if I’d encountered much hostility: very little was my answer, although I was challenged by the rather stern receptionist on my way in.

He was entirely supportive and friendly and I’m still the only bare faced lanyard wearer both in the town at large and in the surgery.

No signs of resistance here, despite the looming confinement in the Tier 4th dimension.She Who Must Be Obeyed continues to profit from the mass hypnosis.

253666 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 8, #1087 of 1714 🔗

Bloody hell, gonna be strange advent calendars this year.

Just 2 doors 24th and 25th.

253668 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to stefarm, 1, #1088 of 1714 🔗

1 door. Advent stops on the 24th.

253671 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to John Smith, 2, #1089 of 1714 🔗

Even worserer

253679 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to stefarm, 2, #1090 of 1714 🔗

When I were a lass and advent calendars were just cardboard with no choccies, I’m sure we had a very special window to open on 25th even though technically no longer advent. I think therefore you are entitled to the full 2 windows this year.

253682 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to steph, #1091 of 1714 🔗

Ours was a bigger window for the 24th

253689 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to steph, 3, #1092 of 1714 🔗

I used to eat the chocolates first, I’ve got no patience

253868 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to stefarm, #1093 of 1714 🔗

I’d recommend one of these. Although possibly one beer per day isn’t a strong enough dose as a cononapanic vaccine (you would need to buy at least eight).

https://lymestonebrewery.net/products/christmas-gifts/advent-calendar

253945 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to stefarm, 1, #1094 of 1714 🔗

To be accompanied by a rousing chorus of the 6 days of Christmas

253681 NickR, replying to NickR, 1, #1095 of 1714 🔗

Who’s an expert on Kondratiev waves?

253714 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NickR, #1096 of 1714 🔗

I am glad you asked.

Our system is now 75 years old.

76 if you count from Bretton Woods.

253941 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to NickR, #1097 of 1714 🔗

Kondratiev?

253684 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #1098 of 1714 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8961683/Christmas-saved-Covid-PHE-boss-says-tougher-lockdown-needed.html
So if I’m reading this right- to get 5 days at Christmas is another way of saying the lockdown is being extended from Dec 2 for three more weeks

253721 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #1099 of 1714 🔗

Dr Susan Hopkins – not a medical doctor. A Behavioural Scientist who works for IMPERIAL.

IGNORE IT.

253727 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Leemc23, #1100 of 1714 🔗

Have you seen the state on it. What a spec

253745 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Leemc23, 7, #1101 of 1714 🔗

Jesus wept.

Yet again Imperial.

That institution should be defunded and shut down when this is all over. It has brought nothing but destruction and misery.

Apologies to Prince Albert but Imperial doesn’t deserve to be part of his legacy.

253822 ▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1102 of 1714 🔗

I would burn it down and salt the earth where it once stood.

253810 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #1103 of 1714 🔗

How about this?!

Poor areas of England face ‘permanent’ lockdown, says public health chief
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/18/poor-areas-of-england-face-permanent-lockdown-says-blackburn-public-health-chief

253989 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Cheezilla, #1104 of 1714 🔗

Blackburns figures havent changed for months (worst in the country for forever), they have a rolling rate of 600+ per 100k, 900 cases the past 7 days, that would mean that they have had easily 10,000 positive PCR cases and at least 60,000 should have been in isolation, so how is this working for Blackburn? Everyone should be in or coming out of isolation yet the ‘cases’ never change. I cannot understand this at all, how has it managed to stay so high I mean for months, but I cant find corresponding deaths in the NHS figures. What is going on there? Apart from lockdown not working what is peculiar about Blackburn? Similar things in the Manchester to Leeds corridor too but not as bad.

253938 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1105 of 1714 🔗

On the sixth day of Christmas my true love gave to me ….. oh sorry love! not permitted

254057 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to crimsonpirate, #1106 of 1714 🔗

Yep. That’s why they’re saying we’ll be let out on the 24th. Three weeks after the 2nd. Of course they will call it nationwide Tier 4 rather than a national lockdown because Boris promised.

253686 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 27, #1107 of 1714 🔗

During my exercise today I came across a group of black people demonstrating in front of Trafalgar Square. Judging from the flags they were carrying, I suspect they were Zimbabwean expats. There were around 15-20 of them.

There were two police officers who just stood by and were doing nothing.

However you can bet that if that was an anti-lockdown protest with the same number of people, there would have been more police sent in order to break up the demonstration.

More selective policing from our so-called guys and gals in blue.

They should really be worried that they’ve lost the trust of the people and when the day of reckoning comes, bleating “I was only following orders” won’t be good enough.

253697 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Bart Simpson, #1108 of 1714 🔗

Hi Bart, shame you did not get a photograph or video.

253712 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, #1109 of 1714 🔗

Yeah, should have had 🙁

253713 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #1110 of 1714 🔗

History sadly show that those ‘just following orders’ do more often than not get away with it – let’s hope the senior officers are forced to justify their actions and the SS like Territorial Support Group are disbanded or retrained.

One thing for sure is that many law abiding citizens have completely lost faith in the police. I certainly don’t trust them and wouldn’t want to interact with them without filming – they outright lie and provoke people.

253741 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Darryl, 5, #1111 of 1714 🔗

Exactly. Every time I see police now, I cross the street to avoid them especially if they’re muzzled. If they try to talk to me, I would go “AAAAAAAHHHH!” and run the opposite direction.

If I need anything I would rather get lost than ask a police officer. Sir Robert Peel must be rolling in his grave now.

253932 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1112 of 1714 🔗

A lot of people who would have helped a police officer if they were in trouble this time last year would certainly walk on by now.

The tactics of the police to target women to incite crowds is truly shameful, particularly at the Trafalgar Square protest after they had a minutes silence for their colleague.

253826 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1113 of 1714 🔗

I was there too. The rozzers did move them on eventually.
https://twitter.com/SteveRightNLeft/status/1329081068096372736

Was also at speakers corner on Sunday. They moved everyone out of the corner, fining an elderly gent with a walking stick, and we just carried on outside the gates of Hyde Park. So we are not allowed to discuss this massively important issue within the home of free speech but we can across the road at Marble Arch. No sense at all.

253688 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 40, #1114 of 1714 🔗

The delusion

The dictatorship can lock us up for Christmas

The reality

The dictatorship can do no such thing

Admittedly they can make as many laws as they like, but they are mere bits of paper. A piece of paper cannot lock you up in your house

There is nobody to enforce this tripe

The police already have a day job

Ok they can issue tickets, but in 8 months they have issued 0.00003 tickets for each member of the population. Half of those have never been paid

Rather than hiding from the police we should be ringing 999 and grassing ourselves up for breaches and demanding the police issue us with tickets

Aim to get a ticket every day

Nobody pay, demand your day in court

The system would collapse within 24 hours

If the police arrive and leave without issuing you with a ticket, ring 999 and demand they return and issue you with a ticket

A dictatorship can only survive if we let it

253720 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1115 of 1714 🔗

That sounds like fun

253801 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1116 of 1714 🔗

Genius!

254102 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1117 of 1714 🔗

How many times have you called?

253692 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #1118 of 1714 🔗

I googled “coronavirus” and the first link that turned up was a BBC report about a 69 year old couple who both died of it in Ireland. A tragic case but I wonder how rare such an event is? The more tragic the story the more it is pushed to scare people.

My friend was telling me yesterday of a relative telling her his grandson who is in his 20’s has been too terrified to go out for months and how terrifying everything was. She said she politely made her excuses as she couldn’t take any more of it.

253702 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 10, #1119 of 1714 🔗

That young man’s life is destroyed, his broken mind will not recover. He’ll never marry or father children ☹️

254290 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, 1, #1120 of 1714 🔗

Just as well. Morons beget morons.

253866 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheshirecatslave, -2, #1121 of 1714 🔗

Yeah that guy has been all over the news in Northern Ireland. Here’s another anomoly. Also NI.

253929 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #1122 of 1714 🔗

I am afraid I am very sceptical of all such stories. The “facts” are likely to be selective and a complete view of the situation these people were in is rarely provided.

253693 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 7, #1123 of 1714 🔗

Some interesting information in this video from Max Igan living in the Australian police state.

The bit about potential compulsory vaccinations with the refusal penalty being 5 years imprisonment or Australian $66,600 is staggering.

It went beyond incompetence months ago the people in positions of power are clearly evil psychopaths.

MASS MEDIA AND BIG TECH: THE WORLD ENABLERS OF FRAUD CORRUPTION WAR AND GENOCIDE https://www.bitchute.com/video/LDII9k78NzTt/

253698 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Darryl, 6, #1124 of 1714 🔗

666 again… 6uild 6ack 6etter

253725 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1125 of 1714 🔗

They certainly seem to like their numerology and symbolism. It feels like we are taking part in some strange satanic ritual with all the zombies wearing black masks.

253784 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Darryl, 4, #1126 of 1714 🔗

It’s some kind of death and re-birth kind of thing.

253798 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 2, #1127 of 1714 🔗

Well keep bearing in mind the fact that Richy Sunak’s business was called Theleme.

253905 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1128 of 1714 🔗

People in general seem completely unaware of how inconsequential his ministerial salary is to him.

I wonder what motivates him to be in politics? I assume it is the extra power and control it gives him – publicly he does seem the best of a bad bunch, I assume he is being groomed to takeover from Johnson.

253918 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Darryl, #1129 of 1714 🔗

I had a boss who was a pretty good salesman in the 80s and he got an immense sexual thrill out of a successful sale (to the extent that he had to head to the gents to “release the tension”). Not the best boss I have ever had!

254078 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Darryl, #1130 of 1714 🔗

It is a satanic ritual.

253701 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Darryl, 2, #1131 of 1714 🔗

Organise fight back

253793 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 2, #1132 of 1714 🔗

That fine is a blatant pisstake.

253695 Hieronimusb, 7, #1133 of 1714 🔗

A few months ago I posed the question on here as to whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus had actually been isolated and received a couple of useful replies. I believe that this article, apologies if it has already been linked in other comments, sheds light – or to be more precise, further darkness:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/17/covid19-evidence-of-global-fraud/

253703 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 34, #1134 of 1714 🔗

Another new experience for me today.

I got angry, really angry – but instead of losing my cool I expressed myself. I had the words and the gestures. OMG the ***** person caught it from me – and then a few more of the collaborators did as well.

Coz that’s where we are at now. Anyone who has not engaged their brain, who doesn’t stop and ask questions, who has not taken any personal responsibility for the state of the society in which we live, is a collaborator.

I’m having a shower next to wash the whole disgusting dystopia off my body and soul physically and metaphorically and then I’ll be back to tell you what happened.

253757 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Rosie, 7, #1135 of 1714 🔗

Do come back and tell!

253706 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 49, #1136 of 1714 🔗

Troops, how are we going to get out of this?

Cast your minds back to March, the “two weeks to flatten the curve and save the NHS”. Yep, we spent several months like this with ever increasing stupid rules. Hmm…you can’t sit on a park bench during your one hour of exercise, only allowed out for “essential shopping”.

Then came the “eat out to help out”, but soon……no you naughty people you didn’t obey the rules.

Then the stupid masks on transport and in shops, this when there were very few hospitalizations.

If someone had told me this time last year what has subsequently happened I would have thought them insane

The frog has certainly been boiled now.

We are now living by the rules of a totalitarian government in the fucking UK.

Is this like living with an abusive partner? The rules change and “you made me do it”, here is a little bit of kindness (you can see your relatives for five days over Xmas).

Fuck Christmas, fuck lockdowns, fuck Boris and co.

No new normal, no never ending in and out of lockdowns, no mandated or coerced vaccines.

We want our lives back, existing is not living:

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253708 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Laura Suckling, 16, #1137 of 1714 🔗

Join me with leaflets, one person by one person. It works. Report later
And if that’s not your thing, write letters. I’ve come up with a whole new tranche of places to write letters to. Again, more later

253707 l835, replying to l835, 22, #1138 of 1714 🔗

Had my pre-op at hospital today. Have been told to self isolate for 2 weeks before, and, 2 weeks after the op. As I’m self employed I don’t get SSP and despite being told to SI by the NHS, I don’t get the £500 payment as it wasn’t trac n’ trace who told me. So thanks Boris, a month with no income, you absolute parasite.

253715 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to l835, 22, #1139 of 1714 🔗

Lie to them. This is a dirty war. Lying is Ok in a dirty war

‘The truth is so important it must be protected by a bodyguard of lies’

Winston Churchill

253719 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to l835, 23, #1140 of 1714 🔗

Ignore them fella. Just get on with life. You won’t get Covid. And you need to keep in mind you could do everything they say you must do and then go get a false positive and it would all be for nothing. Just live your life.

253722 Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #1141 of 1714 🔗

For any of those who read my posts above about the increasingly futile discussion I had with “JC” on Facebook, I perhaps stupidly tried to conclude it and it ended predictably. With him resorting to childishness and smart arsed trolling. Not at all out of character and I’m sure he feels quite proud of himself. It became rather stupid in the end, if it wasn’t already. Maybe there is some use in posting it, as it’s an example of how seemingly futile it is to try and have a sensible conversation with an uninformed person, especially one who thinks he is informed. The scary thing is that he’s apparently university educated and seems to fancy himself as a bit of an intellectual. Just posting it here for information / amusement purposes. I’ll not be replying to him any further

JC:
You mean to tell me you’ve done all this research and you cant find any good positive stories? Sounds like your research isn’t as extensive as you think

Me:
No I’m not saying that. I’m just asking what information are you basing your opinion on, and where / from whom did you get it? I might have seen some of it for all I know, but I don’t know unless you tell me where it comes from

JC:
Like I already said, through my work, newsletters, intranet articles, we get updates on what the medical press are talking about be that mainstream media, medical journals, press releases, etc… there is a range of places they draw from. I’m sorry, I havent catalogued these things as extensively as you. I’d probably go with the BMJ or the Lancet as being some of the most frequently cited.

Me:
Can you share some of them then? Anything that supports your view on the vaccine but if not anything else that concurs with your views on COVID? I’d be interested to get another perspective

Me:
I’ve actually read the BMJ from time to time. Was this one of the articles you read?
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425
Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science

JC:
No

JC:
But isn’t it reassuring to hear that our medical professionals who i trust are doing all they can to act as a bulwark against the politicisation of the virus and vaccine.

Me:
Do you have any articles or such like that you can share?

JC:
You just shared one

Me:
I meant ones that you have read.

JC:
I already said No

Me:
So you have “newsletters, intranet articles, .. updates on what the medical press are talking about be that mainstream media, medical journals, press releases, etc… there is a range of places they draw from.” on which your opinion is based, but you can’t give me any examples?

JC:
No

JC:
Obsession is one of the telltale signs of these nutters you know.

Me:
I wouldn’t call it obsessive, just trying to find out what information you have that makes you so adamant that you know enough. I wasn’t and still aren’t sure why you are reluctant to share anything.
Besides, I think resorting to ad hom insults and logical fallacies is worse.

JC:
I’m not sure I have adamantly stated that I know enough.

Me:
I asked you, and in your reply you said “yes”, although maybe you were replying to a different question. So do you? And if not, are you open to reading anything that might contradict your current view? And if not, why not?

JC:
What is my current view? I’m not sure you can contradict it because I’m not sure you really know. I think you’re more interested in pushing your agenda. Share it by all means, its unlikely I’ll pay much attention. But I might.

Me:
We have different views on the vaccine. I’ve given my views, and some evidence. You said you didn’t want me to share any links, and you’ve just confirmed that. Hence you don’t seem open to things that may contradict your view.
I don’t want to speak for you, so maybe you can share me something that informs your opinion, and if need be state what that opinion is. I was really just trying to get a different perspective but if you’re reluctant then it’s not a big deal.

JC:
I think the prospect of a vaccine is very good news. That’s my view.

JC:
And anti vaxxers are nutters.

Me:
I see. Based on what information? Specifically?

JC:
The fact that vaccines dont give kids Autism and the guy who propagated that bullshit has been utterly expelled from the medical community.

Me:
I was referring to the proposed COVID vaccine.

JC:
I wasn’t. .

253788 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #1142 of 1714 🔗

Classic troll!

253830 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1143 of 1714 🔗

One of my friends is very distressed by many of his friends calling him conspiracy theorist etc etc, their arrogance! I think we have to move on, find new friends, and not waste our time on brainwashed people. Spend time turning skeptical people into activists. It’s activism that will get us out of this.

253901 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #1144 of 1714 🔗

That sounds like a very defensive person who is particularly worried that he might be shown to be wrong.

254197 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sceptic in SA, #1145 of 1714 🔗

Rarely does one see such determined deceased equine whipping.

253723 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 9, #1146 of 1714 🔗

Apparently the 2021 World Economic Forum upmarket jamboree will be moved from Davos to Lucerne where the great and good Globalist fascists will convene ‘to design a common recovery path and shape the “Great Reset” in the post-COVID-19 era’.

By this time the Covid-19 melodrama will presumably be deemed to have served its purpose in laying the foundations for a brave new world that nobody wants. (The sheep majority will of course acquiesce, as usual.) All fiendishly clever.

https://www.weforum.org/press/2020/10/annual-meeting-2021-to-take-place-in-lucerne-burgenstock/

253744 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ross Hendry, 9, #1147 of 1714 🔗

Shall we all go (if we can get out of this shit-hole of a country)? I think Lucerne ought to ban the bastards from all the bars/hotels and any other public venues – see how they like it.

253770 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to CGL, 3, #1148 of 1714 🔗

I doubt that they’d be seen dead outside the venue, where free food and drink is no doubt laid on!

253775 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ross Hendry, 6, #1149 of 1714 🔗

Lucerne is a stunningly beautiful place. These WEF thugs definitely have taste when it comes to their choice of conference locations. What a shame that this fine city has to defile itself like this.

253807 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ross Hendry, 2, #1150 of 1714 🔗

I am sure the leftist anti fascists will be out in force protesting these globalists

253952 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ross Hendry, 1, #1151 of 1714 🔗

If wonder if Klaus Schwab will be wearing this:

https://twitter.com/Jimcorrsays/status/1329009379593621506?s=20

253724 common conservative, 31, #1152 of 1714 🔗

Someone asked me earlier, ‘What will you do if the rule of six is in place for Christmas?’

I replied, ‘Make sure there are at least seven people in my house at Christmas.’

253726 NickR, 3, #1153 of 1714 🔗

Today’s 7 day moving average for positive tests by specimen date. We should be seeing the impact of the lockdown by now, no step change, no impact!

253730 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #1154 of 1714 🔗

Today’s data for positive test results by specimen date. Not much to show for this out of control pandemic.

253743 ▶▶ Jo, replying to NickR, #1155 of 1714 🔗

Just seen this on twitter. Not sure if it’s correct. Someone with a brain should have a look (mine has died)
https://twitter.com/LeahButlerSmith/status/1329090297133817863

253778 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo, #1156 of 1714 🔗

WOW!!!!!!

253790 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cheezilla, #1157 of 1714 🔗

And again, WOW!!!!

253824 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to bluemoon, #1158 of 1714 🔗

So what happened?

253861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Rosie, 1, #1159 of 1714 🔗

LeahBS has been delving into PHE statistics, looking at reports of deaths under the notifiable diseases regulations and thinks she’s found only 13,000+ deaths with/from covid. Asking for people’s help in checking the figures.

253804 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo, #1160 of 1714 🔗

Can someone get more info?

253833 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Jo, 1, #1161 of 1714 🔗

I thought it was downgraded from an HCID in March?

253856 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, #1162 of 1714 🔗

Ah, in notifiable not HCID

253892 ▶▶▶ Foxmeister, replying to Jo, #1163 of 1714 🔗

I’m sure its been mentioned on here before, but on 19 March 2020 Public Health England (PHE) and NHS England decided that Covid-19 was no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.

For current status of Covid-19 see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

I think that might explain why the numbers reported there are so low, but it doesn’t explain the reason behind the change in status of Covid-19 back in March. Can anyone shed any light on that ?

253925 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Jo, #1164 of 1714 🔗

Find some links, let’s have a look at this data.

253733 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 27, #1165 of 1714 🔗

Odds and ends from the High Peak on Wednesday:

Yesterday, we discovered a very old lady in Morrison’s, sitting down on the other side of the tills, gasping for breath with her mask pulled down under her chin. She told us she couldn’t breathe and I went and got her a Sunflwer lanyard from customer services and I advised her to use it and, for the sake of her health, to lose the mask. There were no cards but I rigged up one of ours, found in AlanG’s wallet. She took it off us but kept pulling her mask up and down, obviously confused and miserable. This is vicious cruelty. Add in Handjob and the MSM’s continuing outrageous lies, threats and fear-porn is it any wonder people are in this terrible state?

At the local food shop, the elderly owner has progressed from a hideous plastic mouth-mask thing, via a visor to no mask at all again in the space of a week His bedw dandelion son was out so we presume that was why.

We ran into 2 people we had thought of as a bit dozy and we’d have had them down as full-on zealots. Not a bit! They’re nearly as bad as we are. He also regaled us with some great stories about when he was a teacher in Runcorn and they used to live near my Grandad in Halton (now swallowed up in the New Town.)

Today, we battled through sideways rain to cycle to Whaley Bridge. One shopkeeper, fairly sceptical told us, with a satirical grin, that ‘it’ is rife in Whaley Bridge. Obviously someone’s tested positive and there has been mass panic.  Another local school has sent classes home because one child ‘tested positive’. MW

253751 ▶▶ annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1166 of 1714 🔗

Last time I heard about Whaley Bridge it was under water,
.
Best place for it?

253874 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 1, #1167 of 1714 🔗

At the time of the Great Dam Incident in 2019, someone said it should be twinned with Atlanta! 🙂 It was a big deal really. The poor buggers lost a week of their lives – little did any of us know!! BJ visited by helicopter and promised to ‘build back better’ (the dam, that is). The reservoir remains empty. MW

254134 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1168 of 1714 🔗

Curses! I was eating my tea just now and I had a memory of typing ‘Atlanta’. Bugger – I am now officially senile. Of course, I meant, Whaley Bridge should have been twinned with Atlantis! MW

253895 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #1169 of 1714 🔗

Any news on the MSM about the Danish mask report? We are having a bit of work done on our bathroom, 3 people called in the other day to check out the job, ‘do you want us to wear masks? no, we said, sigh of relief and grotty snot rags stuffed back in pockets. Then this week we called into the Bathroom showroom/office, still open and busy and discussed tiles and details with 2 of their team again no masks, all quite normal heads together over the plans etc. We then called in to Morrisons for a bit of shopping, mostly all masked up. Something strange going on; the building and practical trades seem to be pretty sceptical about masks and the virus.

253949 ▶▶ Ben, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #1170 of 1714 🔗

Agreed. Face masks are vicious cruelty. I have to bite my tongue when I see parents that have muzzled their young children. It’s child abuse

253735 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 28, #1171 of 1714 🔗

Unless many more people wake up the globalists will win and we will be in lockdown, muzzled and enslaved forever more.

Ruled over by invisible people who do whatever whilst we have few freedoms.

I am angry today.

253755 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dave #KBF, 14, #1172 of 1714 🔗

No – I believe they are acting from weakness.

The use of coercion is a sign that other methods of control are breaking down.

253881 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to calchas, 1, #1173 of 1714 🔗

I agree! They know the game is up.

253884 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to calchas, 5, #1174 of 1714 🔗

I believe it was Hannah Arendt who concluded from her study of history that coercive regimes are in fact very weak and usually fail in a relatively short time frame. Strong regimes don’t require such tactics.

253736 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1175 of 1714 🔗

Today’s figures for new hospital admissions, including the 20% to 25% coming from elsewhere in the hospital. We should see the step change down in that imminently, well it just looks like more of the same to me.

253865 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NickR, 3, #1176 of 1714 🔗

The total number in hospital is creeping up as well but pretty much as you might expect for respirtory disease in autumn. Altogether ‘ ain’t nothing shaking but the leaves on the tree’ despite all the scare stories the NHS is doing OK, you would expect it to be a bit busy in Autumn/Winter. So NHS OK, deaths not wildly out of line with the average and any excess is more a result of lock-downj than an effect of Covid.
To my mind that = no emergency and no need for any Covid Public Health action by Statutory Instruments, that is the core of my message to my MP and others but I do not expect anobody will take any notice of me.

253737 NickR, 8, #1177 of 1714 🔗

Today’s deaths, more of the same.

253748 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 39, #1178 of 1714 🔗

If the government is stupid enough to ban social mixing after the 2nd December, I honestly believe many people will simply ignore the instruction. The opinion polls may show a majority in favour of lockdown, but the situation on the ground tells a different story. We’ve all seen lots of people out and about and a lot of traffic on the road. In many crucial respects the law implementing the second lockdown has simply become a dead letter. It seems the cabinet is so out of touch it has no inkling the Conservative Party is now a long way down the road to self-destruction.

253752 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to James Marker, 20, #1179 of 1714 🔗

The opinion polls are actually the government’s opinion.

253862 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bugle, 11, #1180 of 1714 🔗

Correct.

Opinion polls are merely another form of gaslighting the media and government use to further their agenda.

Unsourced shaming anecdotes about someone’s grandmother dying horribly are another popular media gaslighting technique.

253764 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to James Marker, 17, #1181 of 1714 🔗

The anti-conservative Conservative Party has been waiting to be put out of its misery for a long time now. Like Peter Hitchens has been saying for many years, that absurd party needs to cease to exist and a new, proper conservative party be put in its place. That’s been obvious for some time now, but it’s never been more obvious than now.

253781 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Marker, 20, #1182 of 1714 🔗

I wish it were so

I’m sure a lot of people are ignoring the lockdown as private citizens, but businesses and other venues are still closed and there’s not much to do

253796 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Julian, 15, #1183 of 1714 🔗

Businesses have a lot more to lose and are more likely to be targeted by law enforcement – also private citizens can behave as their consciences dictate while businesses, particularly large businesses, have to cater to more people including the frightened , the conformist and the brain dead and thus go for the so called safest common denominator

An unpleasant situation

253922 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 7, #1184 of 1714 🔗

That’s the problem we have.Small business should just open up.They are going to die anyway.Might as well go down fighting

254354 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Julian, 1, #1185 of 1714 🔗

Quite. I just want to go to the fucking pub.

253763 Cheezilla, 7, #1186 of 1714 🔗

Thousands gather for protest in Berlin In Germany several thousand people have gathered in the capital Berlin to protest against Angela Merkel’s plans to give her government more powers to enforce restrictions to curb the spread of Covid-19.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8961759/German-police-fire-water-cannons-protesters-thousands-gather-Berlin-anti-lockdown-rally.html

Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0XnAdJB1Ps

253767 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1187 of 1714 🔗

Some surveys that need our responses currently on https://yougov.co.uk/opi/myfeed/#/all

No need to sign up with that link – answer away!

253840 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sarigan, #1188 of 1714 🔗

I noticed that about 49% favour mandatory vaccination.

253933 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1189 of 1714 🔗

Constitutional rights are not directly susceptible to votes – even if this were a majority.

253771 Liam, replying to Liam, 36, #1190 of 1714 🔗

DRW.

Having read an earlier post of yours I worry you may be close to despair. I understand, believe me. This may not interest you but a source of courage for me in this time of trial has been the beautiful words and mind of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

A man cursed and kicked, despised, reviled, abused, tortured and spat on, exiled and humiliated. And who never once bowed his head. Who composed incomparable books on scraps of old rags in filthy gulag camps and presented them eventually to the world as a testament of truth, beauty and human dignity. He lived to see the machine that did all these things to him lying in the dirt, a broken ruin.

I hope you can find courage my friend. I wish you well.

253815 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Liam, 3, #1191 of 1714 🔗

Solzhenitsyn returns to Russia after 20 years in exile – 1 minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pncbg2ysn6k

In Memoriam; (beautiful singing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIpcW4xzdIw

253870 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, #1192 of 1714 🔗

Thank you. A hero of mine.

254049 ▶▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Liam, #1193 of 1714 🔗

And mine. I recently read August 1914 for the first time. I was always a fan of Cancer Ward and The First Circle but hadn’t realised how good his other books were. Gulag Archipelago still to come but I’m worried it may depress me.

253773 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 7, #1194 of 1714 🔗

Not a fan of the Big State, but a new public appointment needs to be made: a slave to follow Boris around whispering in his ear, “Remember you are toast.”

253808 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bugle, 3, #1195 of 1714 🔗

And “You should have married Petronella, you bastard! “

253777 Zak Thelotofem, 10, #1196 of 1714 🔗

P C R = PERSISTENTLY CHRONIC RELIABILITY

Ditch the test! Ditch the test!

253786 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #1197 of 1714 🔗

Good summary in the FT today on the German protests. Note the FT describing the protestors as ‘Trump supporters, anti-Vaxxers’ etc. as if that was a badge of shame. Also many more moderate people too in there I’m sure.

https://www.ft.com/content/2c1d57ca-4df0-4752-a0f1-7319cfe864ae

253827 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to jhfreedom, 11, #1198 of 1714 🔗

‘Note the FT describing the protestors as ‘Trump supporters, anti-Vaxxers’ etc….’

What a marvellous piece of objective reporting.

1. How on earth does the author know the protesters are Trump supporters and ‘anti-Vaxxers’? What, *all* of them?

2. On (1), is the author so utterly dim that they’re unaware that the opposition to the covid restrictions transcends the left/right distinction and party politics? Talk about ‘Stay[ing] in Your Bubble’!

3. On (1) & (2), grant for the sake of argument that all the protesters (yes, every single one of them!) are Trump supporters and ‘anti-Vaxxers’. So what? Does this make them ‘bad people,’ or ‘cranks’? Of course not, but evidently that’s what the totally objective and unbiased author wants people to believe.

Jounalism is dead in this country.

253789 DavidC, 1, #1199 of 1714 🔗

Crikey! LS seems to get longer every day!

Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet but I think this may be the recent Danish study on mask wearing;
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

DavidC

253795 ianric, replying to ianric, 5, #1200 of 1714 🔗

A major justification for lockdown is that covid is highly contagious. We are told covid and other respiratory disease are passed on when people spread infectious droplets by coughing, sneezing or talking. Are there tests available to see if people are producing infectious droplets eg mouth swabs or breathing onto something and testing the saliva. If these tests are available why are they not being done if we are really in a pandemic. Myself and others have raised the issue if covid is so infectious why is necessary to resort to intrusive tests to find the virus when the virus should be easy to find if someone is highly infectious.

254248 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to ianric, #1201 of 1714 🔗

That’s a critical point that keeps their narrative going, we overlook it.

253797 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 20, #1202 of 1714 🔗

Desmond Swayne MP on Dan Wooton’s Talk Radio prog. Very good. He may have the whiff of the saloon bar orator about him but his views are refreshingly direct. His opposition to lockdown is principled. If onky there were a few more like him in Parliament!

254120 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to OKUK, #1203 of 1714 🔗

Ian Duncan Smith on Julia Hartley Brewer was great as well .

253805 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1204 of 1714 🔗

Reset, reset, everywhere – NHS RESET – not a conspiracy theory.

NHS Reset is an NHS Confederation campaign to shape what the health and care system should look like in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic.
…. it aims to:

  • recognise both the sacrifice and achievements of the health and care sector’s response to COVID-19, including the major innovations that have been delivered at pace
  • rebuild local service provision to meet the physical, mental and social needs of communities affected by severe economic and social disruption
  • reset our ambitions for what the health and care system of the future should look like, including its relationship with the public and public services.

NHS Reset is part funded through sponsorship by Novartis Pharmaceuticals UK Limited.

https://www.nhsconfed.org/NHSreset

I couldn’t be bothered to read all the guff in the various documents but it’s all here if you can face it:

https://www.nhsconfed.org/-/media/Confederation/Files/Publications/Documents/NHS-Reset-a-new-direction-for-health-and-care.pdf

253811 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to godowneasy, 15, #1205 of 1714 🔗

They should reset it by closing the fucking thing down. It’s not fit for purpose.

253823 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1206 of 1714 🔗

CTRL ALT DEL

253813 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1207 of 1714 🔗

Is this before or after it is sold to the Yanks.

253814 ▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1208 of 1714 🔗

‘the major innovations that have been delivered’
Like not providing healthcare?

253828 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1209 of 1714 🔗

Close it down. Burn every hospital to the ground. Incarcerate every single doctor and nurse who collaborated for the rest of their lives.

253842 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1210 of 1714 🔗

You couldn’t make it up! You could throw it up but you couldn’t make it up…

This is the NHS that failed to plan and prepare for a pandemic, emptied its hospitals in a panic, refused to treat aged Covid patients, that saw no irony in large teams of medics having nothing better to do than devise Tik Tok dance routines, has accepted lockdown deaths with total insouciance, and has lied, lied and lied agajn about pressure on hospital bed spaces.

No wonder people stopped clapping. No one believes the propaganda anymore – not even those who want to believe it.

253882 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, #1211 of 1714 🔗

Is this satire?

253889 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1212 of 1714 🔗

I don’t want anything to do with the NHS. I used to trust in our health service. Now it is a vile scary murderous beast supervised by evil brianwashed idiots. I will never trust the NHS again.

I just hope I don’t get ill.

253812 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 26, #1213 of 1714 🔗

Much to talk about again, and hopefully I will get through it all before I get too tired.
Report 1

First our own emotions and using them to empower us:

During last night I was woken up by screaming, lots of screaming which disturbed me from deep sleep. Wondering where the screaming is coming from …. and discover it’s coming from me. It’s me screaming about the hellhole we are in already, and the vastly worse to come.

So yes I am terrified, I am absolutely terrified and so should we all be because it’s the opposite of complacency, it’s the correct emotional response to what is happening. But use that terror, not to cower, not to freeze in a corner – but to FIGHT. Fight back, even if we feel like a mouse fighting for survival against a leopard, that’s what a cornered animal does in the final resort, it doesn’t freeze, it fights.

Right, today – I managed to get out of the station without a meltdown – you may remember I have a SERIOUS lifelong mask-phobia. I imagined I was on a wobbly plank crossing a stream, and to get out I just had to focus on the plank, walk fast, and almost run over the danger. Worked a treat. Thankfully my legs were functional today so I could walk fast.

Next, meet up with a ‘sceptic’ called Graham, more in later report.

So Graham and I are walking along in central London, and it’s a very wide paved area, and we are walking straight along quietly chatting. Now a couple are coming along nearly towards us, at an angle, paths would not have crossed by a good 4m. Small, 60-ish, Chinese by looks, heavily muzzled.

Then the male alters his path so that he is heading directly towards me. He’s using body language to make himself look as big as possible, and he’s clapping, big wide loud claps aimed at me – plague, plague, danger danger.

I got out my finger and I told him, “You stop that at once. Stop. stop right now and you never do that to anyone again.” he did, and when they came past us again he heard it all from me again. Soon after that we were waiting at pedestrian lights and a lot of people were able to hear and so I told them they should take their masks off because they breed bacteria and make them ill, all the waste products they breath out going back in again and back up to their brains.

One of them started to lecture me so I just said. “Use your critical faculties. Ask questions. You have a brain, you use your own brain.”

And then there were some more maskoids (most were, out in the fresh air) and I started lecturing them as well and even the odd swear word crept out – it’s the need to establish where my personal limits to behaviour are, now that all the old mores have been trashed.

Later visited another friend for lunch and asked Was I wrong? He told me ‘No you weren’t but don’t make a habit of it.’ …. something like that, apparently the phrase comes from an old film, something to do with a black widow spider.

253825 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rosie, 16, #1214 of 1714 🔗

Fabulous work, what a warrior.

Every single one of the mask wearers are our deadly enemy. Forget the government and MSM, these fuckheads are the sole reason we are in this mess. I sincerely hope they all suffer terribly, and I firmly believe that by lining up for the vaccine they will be securing this fate for themselves.

253957 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Rosie, 4, #1215 of 1714 🔗

I wish I had just a smidgen of your fire Rosie…hot damn we need people like you by the thousands!

253980 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Eddie, 3, #1216 of 1714 🔗

LOL – poor Graham standing next to me …. but it’s infectious you know …

I go to central London every Wednesday is anyone wants to join me!

254038 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Rosie, 2, #1217 of 1714 🔗

Eddie and I are in Canada, so it would be a long trip to come and help you. But I so admire everything you’re doing Rosie!!!

254045 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1218 of 1714 🔗

Thanks Lisa – and hi to Eddie 🙂 🙂

253816 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #1219 of 1714 🔗

Vallance is looking more Unbalanced by the day, with his exponential super-duper multiplying caseload and deaths refusing to materialise. Still, it was only a projection, it’s not like we based any life-changing policy on it or anything like that, so never mind.

253880 ▶▶ Ben, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1220 of 1714 🔗

He’s got his shares to think of

253817 Sarigan, 1, #1221 of 1714 🔗
253818 Jason, replying to Jason, 6, #1222 of 1714 🔗

I hope everyone is aware of the ‘great reset’, agenda 2021, 2030 and ‘The fourth industrial revolution’ as set out by the World Economic Forum.
Are we not seeing those plans being implemented before our eyes in plain sight for all those with eyes to see?

253937 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jason, 5, #1223 of 1714 🔗
253820 Edward, 12, #1224 of 1714 🔗

The Masque of the Red Death, by Edgar Allan Poe – summarised.

A deadly plague was raging through the land. The ruler Prince Prospero gathered a thousand of his friends, and they locked themselves into the palace, with servants, entertainers, and several months’ supply of food and wine. Here they could ignore the outside world while devoting themselves to revelry.

One evening a magnificent masked ball was held. Just before midnight a mysterious figure was seen with the appearance of a plague victim. This was a step too far. The prince angrily confronted the figure, but fell dead at its feet. His horrified friends rushed to the figure and removed its mask, to reveal – nothing! One by one they too fell, until all were dead.

Masques and lockdowns don’t work.

253821 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 32, #1225 of 1714 🔗

Went into Town today to shop and to do some banking. First time in my bank (Yorkshire) for a while and and of course I was unmasked. Cashier was wearing a fetching pink eye level mask behind a screen and I pushed my envelope under it and said ‘I’d like to pay in this cheque please and could you please give me some pound coins for this bag of change. ‘Of course….. did you know that you can deposit cheques in an envelope, without queuing, and that would save you time?’ ‘But there’s no queue’ I responded ‘and besides, I like the personal touch and the more people who bypass the cashiers the more chance of closing the branch’. ‘Bit late for that’ came the bombshell reply, ‘this branch is closing early next year, we only found out yesterday, so we’ll all be out of a job’. ‘So you’ve spent the last couple of years encouraging customers to use internet banking, pay in cheques in an envelope and generally avoid any interaction with a human being and now you’re out of a job—seems to me that you’ve been more than a spectator at your own execution’?

Actually, I didn’t say that last sentence…it was just what I thought. What I did say was this ‘I’m so disappointed, why is the branch closing and what will you do?’. I don’t know what I will do but they tell us the branch is closing because of Covid. Covid is keeping everybody at home and they don’t need our branch any more.

Well Yorkshire bank (which is now transmogrifying into Virgin money) rather than say you just want to close the branch in your never ending search for increased profits, and to hell with any kind of decent customer centred service, you just say ‘we’re closing because of Covid’. The sad irony to this is that there will be very many who believe all this Sh*t including some of your own staff who will now join the ranks of the struggling millions at the mercy of the worst British government ever.

Covid 19—disaster capitalism writ large….believe it!

253879 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #1226 of 1714 🔗

What a shame about Yorkshire Bank 🙁

253829 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 27, #1227 of 1714 🔗

Anyway, this here Great Green Reset, beloved of Charlie-Boy and now the Covidiot-in-Chief (BJ): How does it work? Cars will be phased out (except for what’s left of the moneyed classes’ electric variety.)  Meanwhile, they have totalled the public transport we’re all supposed to be using: the buses ride round empty apart from a few zombies and the privatised train companies are all on life-support with the money going straight to their shareholders. London Transport is bankrupt. We’ve got new cycle lanes in the near-empty towns and cities (killed off by no-end-in-sight lockdowns), causing congestion where cars still travel and HS2 is still going ahead, linking nowhere to nowhere.

The roads round here are at least as congested as ever and I know of people who have actually recently bought cars in order to live their lives.  When those left alive are herded into ‘smart’ cities, will we then be riding around on lovely new trains and buses in our brave New Normal lives, showing our Covi-Passes to prove our ‘healthiness’ and paying with digital money out of our subsistence-level UBI? Is that what the WEF and their puppets mean?

Fat Boy is promising up to 100,000 new jobs (yes, that’s right!) in the brave New Normal wind farms or whatever and of course carbon capture will suddenly start to work after decades of failure. Gas heaters will be phased out – after all, we don’t want Russian gas do we, not when we’ll have solar panels or maybe a fag, sorry, vape, to keep us warm?  The oceans will be crystal clear again and full of wildlife, once they’ve been cleansed of the trillions of fish-killing single-use muzzles full of nano-particles and those ‘hygienic’ plastic aprons and visors. I’m not seeing any end to the mask and wasteful unnecessary non-clinical ‘PPE’ mandates in sight either so this might take a while….

Whatever one’s views on climate change, and in my case I’m coming round to the view that it may well have been mis-sold, it’s been obvious for years that personal car use was eventually going to be phased out and become an unaffordable luxury for most. Ditto flying but, don’t worry, the ‘elite’ will still have private jets. Fossils fuels are not infinite and pollution and waste is a real issue, whatever the truth about carbon emissions.

Wouldn’t it have made sense to start decades ago, sorting out grown-up policies like making public transport ubiquitous, affordable and clean instead of pricing it out of everyone’s pockets and driving more people into cars? I know people who would not use a bus if Hell had them – far too demeaning!  Couldn’t we have pursued achievable Zero Waste policies? Some faint-hearted starts were made but have gone nowhere, now they’re in the dustbin with all the other rubbish we’re producing at an ever-faster rate.

What about politics? Capitalism is not in itself evil but unbridled bent, crony capitalism surely is. Inequality has never been starker and it is becoming clearer that the 99% is fast becoming 99.99% and is rapidly including most of us in the ‘rich’ west as our livelihoods are trashed and siphoned into the bottomless jaws of the GloboCaps (or Marxists if you think Charlie’s One of Them.)  For the poorest in the world, the devastation caused by lockdowns is unimaginable and on its way here.

One of the main advantages of Brexit would have been the end of the CAP but the new plans for agriculture make the EU look almost sensible: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-agriculture-bill-becomes-law

‘The funds released as a result of the phasing out of the legacy Basic Payment Scheme (BPS) will be re-invested into a roll out of our future farming policy, which will be centred around support aimed at incentivising sustainable farming practices, creating habitats for nature recovery and supporting the establishment of new woodland and other ecosystem services to help tackle challenges like climate change.’

After all this time, we’re now expected to believe that suddenly we’re on the verge of catastrophe; who knew? AND IT’S ALL OUR FAULT! If ‘the Covid’ hadn’t presented the psychos-in-charge with this great opportunity, we would obviously have destroyed the planet by next year and become extinct.  At least the vaccine/s might help boost another plank of the Great Reset: massive and rapid population reduction of the plebs so they can enjoy an almost empty planet, all to themselves.

I heard someone say recently that in Star Trek, the Klingon ship always had to de-cloak before it attacked. As someone who has never bought the global ‘cock-up’ theory of CV19 fascism, I think, with all the world’s leaders and even the NHS bandying around terms like ‘reset’ and ‘build back better’ that is exactly what we’re witnessing.

We are under attack so what are we going to do? MW

253835 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 16, #1228 of 1714 🔗

Dear Mr Johnson. Thank you for promising 100,000 new jobs. It goes someway to make up for the millions of jobs your stupidity has lost. You utter bellend.

253841 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1229 of 1714 🔗

Quite, but it’s not stupidity. MW

253853 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1230 of 1714 🔗

Indeed. We can also rule out it being leadership or courage. Quite honestly how he has not been taken apart by someone by now I don’t know. He’s had less stick than Teresa May.

253849 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #1231 of 1714 🔗

Fight back

253860 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Rosie, 3, #1232 of 1714 🔗

Honestly we’re doing our best, talking, giving out information, trying to persuade people to lose the masks. BTW, you are doing a brilliant job! MW

253855 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 19, #1233 of 1714 🔗

This is what Lord (Nigel) Lawson, ex Chancellor of the Exchequer thinks!

253867 ▶▶ RickH, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #1234 of 1714 🔗

What would test the genuineness of the ‘Save the Planet’ elite would be a form of taxation of income and capital that imposed the same relative penalties on the wealthy as on those with ordinary incomes and resources. Thus their total charges per unit of (whatever) would be proportionate to their resources.

The resources could then be recycled for the common good that they are so keen on 🙂

I reckon we’d see true principle at that point.

253888 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 5, #1235 of 1714 🔗

The foundations of billionaires (possibly trillionaires) (such as the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Soros, Gates …) come up with these grand plans for a Great Reset without ever thinking about consulting normal citizens.

It really is a complete scam to control us further. These people exploited the worlds resources and destroyed the environment to make their fortunes, yet keep the proceeds and make us suffer.

253891 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #1236 of 1714 🔗

I think we can finally discount incompetence as the primary mover behind this;as the government role out their wonderful green new deal.The lockdowns etc are a dry run on how to run a zero carbon economy.The vaccine and digital passport will be used to counter any opposition to this insanity.Many more of us are going to find ourselves in inessential occupations and we will have to go cap in hand to the government even to eat.
This is the future unless we change it.

254155 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1237 of 1714 🔗

Eat the government. Sorted.

254161 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1238 of 1714 🔗

Incompetence and stupidity are the primary movers.

Jonathan, the green nonsense was in the Tory Party manifesto at the last election.

They didn’t need covid to implement it.

You want to get rid of them? Put your balls where your mouth is and stand for election.

253940 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #1239 of 1714 🔗

build back better
6. 6. 6
Oh it will be better for about 1% of humans!

253831 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 15, #1240 of 1714 🔗

Just been to a local chippy.

Whilst Mrs Doubting was getting the chips I nipped across the road to the pharmacy to see what treatment they recommended for this deadly virus.

I went in and asked what they recommend for someone with symptoms, the first thing they said was is it me who has the symptoms? No it is a friend, well they should stay home & isolate, I said but what treatment should they take, they have a new dry cough, well they can suck some throat pastels! Pointing a the tins of travel sweets. When I asked if that would stop a deadly virus it was suggested they could also take paracetamol.

I bet even our beloved NHS could manage that.

253942 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1241 of 1714 🔗

You can get probably get a ventilator on Ebay now for a few quid.

254277 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, #1242 of 1714 🔗

…owner having no further use for same.

253837 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 24, #1243 of 1714 🔗

Hi. My name’s Covid-19. I just want to reassure you all that I too will be seeing my family (the Pathogens) over Xmas, so I won’t disturb your celebrations.
However, I will be taking my 4,000 a day once it’s over as I follow the Science.

253858 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to PatrickF, 7, #1244 of 1714 🔗

It’s ‘The Science™️‘

253873 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Chris John, 4, #1245 of 1714 🔗

This is such an intelligent virus, far more intelligent than any of our parliamentarians (with a very few exceptions, who we all recognise).

It has a watch, it has a calendar, it knows if someone is eating or just drinking.

253883 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Chris John, 1, #1246 of 1714 🔗

I’ll pass that on to Covid-19.

253843 DocRC, 8, #1248 of 1714 🔗

Another great Bob cartoon!

253845 stewart, replying to stewart, 3, #1249 of 1714 🔗
253919 ▶▶ jb12, replying to stewart, 2, #1250 of 1714 🔗

So they have almost no effect.

254027 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to jb12, #1251 of 1714 🔗

Unless you re-define what is statistically significant, as it appears the authors were forced to do in order to get the study published.

254048 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to stewart, #1252 of 1714 🔗

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Unfortunately due to the large group but low numbers positive, the confidence interval is fairly wide and this feels less than conclusive. However it seems in the range we would’ve expected for surgical masks and proper usage. Wish we had data for cloth masks too but then I guess it’s hard to define what that is.

253846 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 5, #1253 of 1714 🔗

This piece in OffGuardian. I earnestly counsel a read.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/17/covid19-evidence-of-global-fraud/

253953 ▶▶ James, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #1254 of 1714 🔗

Hi,

I just read this and although I am not surprised I am still a bit blown away. This needs to be widely circulated.

I am sending to my network.

Thanks

253959 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to James, 1, #1255 of 1714 🔗

Some of it familiar and it gets a little overheated towards the end unfortunately, which does the earlier very well made case no favours but hey.

254022 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #1256 of 1714 🔗

Some interesting stuff, but does including ATGC sequences or demanding isolation of pure virus help the argument? Think these questions are all worth asking but this goes a little OTT in places.

253848 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1257 of 1714 🔗

THIS PAPER WON’T CHANGE ANYTHING … It’s simply just another funny confirmation that muzzles don’t work… I’m sorry slaves! Masks don’t work… better now.

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers

source

254024 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1258 of 1714 🔗

I agree that it won’t change anything, likely because of the way the authors were forced to “massage” the conclusions in order to get published. So this sticks out at me — no reduction at conventional levels of statistical significance.

“a recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, incident SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with no mask recommendation.”

I’ll bet the authors had to add this in order to get the study published. Then they had to water it down by adding a possible reduction in infection…assuming you accept non-conventional levels of statistical significance.

“Although no statistically significant difference in SARS-CoV-2 incidence was observed, the 95% CIs are compatible with a possible 46% reduction to 23% increase in infection among mask wearers.”

What a hijacking of science. I took graduate level statistics and I know data can be manipulated to reach a certain conclusion, but this is a manipulation not of the data but of the definition of statistical significance itself. “The Science” will not save us.

253850 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 6, #1259 of 1714 🔗

Actual UK COVID-19 Fatalities in November 2020 vs Fatalities predicted by Models
+ve numbers indicate that the model overestimates
-ve numbers indicate that the model under estimates
As of 13 November all models overestimate some vastly
Some by thousands
Data from government sources via the Spectator Covid tracker – https://data.spectator.co.uk/

All of the models overestimate by some margin

I and others can post evidence graphs until we turn blue – fat load of good it does to convince a public that does not want to hear that they have been duped

253987 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Aslangeo, #1260 of 1714 🔗

“Warwick Upper” seems to be missing.

Even when they were presented, the models weren’t even reflecting over all what the situation was on that day. If Whitty and Valance were selling used cars they’d be called crooked.

Much that’s for putting this up

253859 William Hand, replying to William Hand, 28, #1261 of 1714 🔗

Angry this evening because some fucking twat got themselves tested positive at my daugter’s school in Leeds. Now both my grandsons are to miss out on two weeks professional education.

253875 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to William Hand, 15, #1262 of 1714 🔗

You said it.
What idiots get tested if there’s nothing wrong with them?

253863 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 25, #1263 of 1714 🔗

My brother in law (69), his partner (65) and family were tested positive for Covid a few weeks ago and have just finished “self isolation”, he feels a “bit rough”, his partner is going back to work next Monday and the rest of the family is absolutely fine.
Hardly the end of the world is it?
Hardly a reason to destroy people’s lives and their futures

253876 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #1264 of 1714 🔗

I am starting to feel as much ire towards anyone getting themselves tested as I have for the mask wearers. They too are collaborators. I don’t give a fuck if it was a requirement of their job. They should tell their employers to fuck off.

253887 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Richard O, 10, #1265 of 1714 🔗

A bit hard to tell your employer to F off if you have a family to feed and a mortgage to pay – employers abusing their staff can get away with a lot in the current climate

253903 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Aslangeo, 18, #1266 of 1714 🔗

And it will be even harder to feed said family and pay said mortgage when your job has gone (never to return), the currency is permanently devalued and you are terminally ill after your tenth mRNA vaccine in five years.

All because no one pushed back.

253897 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Richard O, 16, #1267 of 1714 🔗

Hear, hear! Our daughter doesn’t even have that excuse. She panicked and created her very own ‘test-demic’. As a result of this, 4 people out of 7 in one extended family ‘tested positive’. None of them had anything more than a bad cold (which was what it almost certainly was) but it created total mayhem for an awful lot of people in their social/school circle.

We are really cross with her but she feels so abject about it we had to hold back a bit. The only funny bit is we were in close contact with her the day before her son ‘tested positive’ and we old dears with underlying health conditions got. . . . .nothing! MW

253931 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 7, #1268 of 1714 🔗

Sorry, Richard – but that’s just empty fairy fart stuff. These are real people with real jobs subject to a massive brainwashing campaign. Turning things round isn’t going to happen by virtue signalling.

253951 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to RickH, 5, #1269 of 1714 🔗

You could argue that submitting yourself to testing is virtue signalling.

And given the consequences of continued compliance, without active pushback in this area we are all lost.

254001 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Richard O, #1270 of 1714 🔗

I sort of think those going for tests when not seriously ill are worse than mask wearers. Obviously it’s tricky if told to do so by your employer. The false positives/ asymptomatic etc are partly keeping this going. Today through a relative I heard of 3 families all in self isolation for one daft reason or another. One teenager felt tired so went for a test and came up positive. Now a family of 4 are isolating.

254018 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Richard O, 2, #1271 of 1714 🔗

I agree, my daughter missed a week of school because of her friend’s positive PCR test. The girl’s symptoms? She felt a bit dizzy. She caused her whole class to be off, the whole bus and anyone she interacted with at the bus bay. Madness.

253878 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1272 of 1714 🔗

Our daughter tested ‘positive’ on just over a week ago. She was out running last weekend. MW

253899 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1273 of 1714 🔗

We rest our case.

253946 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1274 of 1714 🔗

Were they on ventilators?

253885 Hill Street Bluez, replying to Hill Street Bluez, 19, #1275 of 1714 🔗

Not often I watch the local TV news…jaw just hit the floor when a journalist suggested that if we all obey the Covid rules then the surgeons transferred to virus duty will be able to get back to doing cancer operations..in other words the non compliant are responsible for cancer deaths as well as the Covid ones!!! Perhaps I’m going mad or it’s all a dream…

253893 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hill Street Bluez, 12, #1276 of 1714 🔗

Er, I doubt surgeons would be treating covid patients…

253908 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Julian, 8, #1277 of 1714 🔗

Very sensible and valid point. You are not fit for a career in journalism.

253909 ▶▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to Julian, 1, #1278 of 1714 🔗

Perhaps not but the jist of the report was that cancer treatments have been cancelled because resources have been utilised to deal with Covid…

254025 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Hill Street Bluez, 6, #1279 of 1714 🔗

So they’ve made a decision to prioritise one set of lives and one cause of death over another? Presumably there’s a pretty big set of calculations and an impact assessment to go with that, proving that more lives will be saved…

253965 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Julian, #1280 of 1714 🔗

Sadly, I know of at least one (a heart surgeon I think) who was diverted to ICU work in April from their normal duties. Not sure if they’re still there.

253898 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Hill Street Bluez, 3, #1281 of 1714 🔗

They’re not journalists

More of the same. Blaming the young, blaming the victims of Gov’t psychopathic cruelty

If only Neil Ferguson, Tony Blair, Jeremy Corbyn and SNP MPs followed the rules instead of breaking them

253917 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hill Street Bluez, 6, #1282 of 1714 🔗

Yet again, the fallacy of perfect compliance. In a society of 67 million people it is impossible to achieve total uniformity on anything. Not even ignorance.

253991 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 1, #1283 of 1714 🔗

The idiotic top public health doctor in our county is on the record saying that even if 10-15% of people didn’t wear masks it wouldn’t change anything. I came across this same stupid nonsense in a story that ran yesterday on kids not getting the surgeries they need, particularly those that are time/developmentally sensitive. It’s all because of the 2 people in Ontario who don’t wear masks — trust me, compliance here couldn’t be higher so I have no idea what these morons are thinking.

254336 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, #1284 of 1714 🔗

Neil Ferguson breaking lockdown rules by secretly seeing his married lover set the template

253968 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Hill Street Bluez, 4, #1285 of 1714 🔗

Wet roads cause rain…

253890 Phoneutria, 13, #1286 of 1714 🔗

Apparently if a dozen more Tory MPs join the CRG faction and vote against severe restrictions post December 2, the idiot Johnson would need to rely on the idiot Starmer to implement a lockdown 3. This would look very bad politically and might even prove his undoing, so he’d be unlikely to go on with it.

My MP is firmly onside and I strongly suggest that all here write to their MP, especially if a Tory, to point out that anyone voting in favour of further restrictions based on doctored and unreliable evidence, faulty tests riddled with false positives and hysterical input from SAGE, is unworthy to sit in the House and will not receive your vote again. MPs in marginal seats will get scared if their in-trays are stuffed with angry sceptics’ emails. But don’t be abusive, or the moral high ground is lost.

253894 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1287 of 1714 🔗

I have been listening to and looking at any advert which has anything related to cv19…

Cold & flu remedies, PPE, shops which are working to keep us safe etc. etc.

Not a single advert mentions cv19, it is all implied but not mentioned by name. As if the advertising standards would be knocking on the door if the word was mentioned.

Has anyone seen anything which claims to protect against cv19?

253902 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1288 of 1714 🔗

domestos 🙂

253923 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Iansn, #1289 of 1714 🔗

Dominoes?

254074 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Iansn, 3, #1290 of 1714 🔗

Drink Domestos to protect others.

254127 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, #1291 of 1714 🔗

If the zombies drank Domestos, it certainly would have a wonderfully protective effect on the rest of us.

253904 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #1292 of 1714 🔗

A brain?

253907 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Sarigan, #1293 of 1714 🔗

Indeed.

253896 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 10, #1294 of 1714 🔗

Before Mutt Hancock gets too carried away with the idea of imposing the Covid vaccination on everyone, the WHO has a fact sheet on Human Rights and Health which states that people have “the right to control one’s health and body…and to be free from interference”. Similarly, the UN Commission for Human Rights fact sheet on The Right to Health states that people have “the right to be free from non-consensual medical treatment, such as medical experiments and research”. So hands off!

253921 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Liz F, 2, #1295 of 1714 🔗

The pro-vaxxers will then come along with that guff about how a vaccination protects other people as well as yourself.

253928 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1296 of 1714 🔗

The vaccine either offers protection or it doesn’t.

253988 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1297 of 1714 🔗

Except read a letter in bmj today that in the trials 256 people have to have the vaccine to protect just 1 person. I need to research some more but it clearly implies its remote that you will be protecting anyone.

254295 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1298 of 1714 🔗

Someone had a good comeback the other day, on the subject about protecting others, – so would they advocate every single person on a dating site (or app) submit to a sexual history check and complete regular STD screening? or is that discriminatory and invasive? 🙂

253900 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 13, #1299 of 1714 🔗

Since there are few of us and many collaborators, we need to use our guile and cunning and intelligence. Now, masks impose enormous harm, so whose responsibility is it when they are imposed on employees or school children?

Seems the gov have wriggled out of this one by ensuring they issue ‘guidance’ not ‘laws’. This of course plays into our hands. Here is a report from someone in UsForThem who had a meeting with his child’s school and discovered this:
School in Amersham recently.

The important points are this:

Headmaster has discretion. According to government guidelines “school
leaders are best placed to make judgements”. They are therefore fully
responsible and fully liable for any potential harm arising from the
measures they implement.

Now there are many schools in Britain but not too many for the few of us. The duty of care, the formal responsibility for risk assessments etc. There’s no need to prove any ‘science’ merely to start asking where the risk assessment is. That would be the head and the board of governors.

What do you guys think?

can we devise a standard letter that people can use for their school, church (HO and individual), shops, etc? Today an employee of Holland & Barrett begged me to write to the head office and take up the issue with them.

This surely is something serious and significant that we here can do ….. many keep asking, what can we do? Let’s do this.

253913 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Rosie, 5, #1300 of 1714 🔗

Agreed. masks have recently been mandated at my workplace for use outside (not just restricted to the office). I’ve questioned this as it isn’t even government guidance and have requested to see their risk assessments for all relevant tasks being carried out on site on which mask use would impact.

That was asked 2 weeks ago….crickets so far. However, there have been talk of concessions for certain activities outside and also passing of the buck to contractors by suggesting its their responsibility to assess risks to their staff while on site.

Its interesting as it seems the legal implications can just be kicked around from person to person. With no individual company willing to stick their neck out and challenge the over arching policy.

253960 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mike, 4, #1301 of 1714 🔗

That’s why I’m thinking we can go for individuals one at a time.
Have they followed their own procedures?
Have they done a risk assessment?
Are they aware of their personal duty of care?

This legal principle is foundational and surely no court would chuck it out – not until we are gone full China.

So we have ‘use it or lose it’. Let’s use it, double quick.

253990 ▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Rosie, 3, #1302 of 1714 🔗

Agreed. I find if you can tie the health and safety team in knots without them going ‘full retard’ with additional restrictions then you’re probably on to a winner.

What I’ve noticed seems to happen is management panic over the risk of potential liable issue and go running straight to H+S. Health and safety having absolutely no idea about the real world but wanting to be seen to have an actual use, come up with some harebrained scheme to calm the managers concerns.

Unfortunately the schemes proposed very rarely translate well into the real world and hay presto we have a full on $hit show of ineptitude.

As you’ve quite rightly pointed out this leaves them very open to actual direct pushback as its not very often H+S have thought outside their own little bubble.

253915 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, 10, #1303 of 1714 🔗

It would certainly be possible to tie any school in knots by requiring a risk assessment – which assessment would logically lead to the abandonment of masks, given the available evidence.

However, I reckon that head teachers are not the main problem. I reckon that there would be massive pressure for masks by a substantial body of parents who are quite convinced that their kids need to be abused.

254000 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 1, #1304 of 1714 🔗

Yes, if that truly is the case then we’ve lost it, and it’s why I keep saying that we need feet on the ground, one-to-one campaigning. TO collect more activists to turn the tide.

But in the mean time, still use this route to try to frighten the schools.

253926 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Rosie, 9, #1305 of 1714 🔗

I will never shop in Holland and Barrett again..

I will not be treated like a leper or a biohazard

253955 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Rosie, 3, #1306 of 1714 🔗

I think a standard letter would be good, I spoke to a parent today whose daughter’s school have mandated masks in the classroom. I suggested that she ask the Head if they have done a risk assessment- I’m pretty sure they won’t have!

253978 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Rosie, 3, #1307 of 1714 🔗

I have written to my daughter’s school twice asking for risk assessment in regards to masks in corridors.
First time they replied saying they were following government advice.
They just ignore my second email.

253998 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JulieR, 2, #1308 of 1714 🔗

Suggest you write to the board of governors next.
Do a paper printed letter and take it in and ask them to sign it that they have received it.
To the school head teacher by name, and the governors all by name.

254079 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, 1, #1309 of 1714 🔗

Yes, and/or Julie, have your solicitor send the third letter.

254190 ▶▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Rosie, 1, #1310 of 1714 🔗

Thank you for advice, Rosie
I will do that.

253979 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Rosie, 6, #1311 of 1714 🔗

We have a group of parents who are launching a class action suit against the school boards for forcing masks on kids below grade 4. Even our stupid government guidance is grades 4 and up, so these boards went above and beyond the recommendation. Here is their web site and it has good info and sample letters that might be helpful, though you’ll have to adapt to your context vs. Canadian context.

http://www.parentsformaskfreeeducation.com/

I would guess that the schools are taking the position that they’re at risk by not mandating masks and they’re at risk by mandating them, but the vast majority of parents think masks are just dandy. So long as schools feel at risk from both ends, they’ll unfortunately defer to the majority. The fact parents are happy muzzling their children all day at school mystifies me, but such is the world in which we find ourselves.

253994 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1312 of 1714 🔗

That is exactly what is happening but a lot of it relates to keeping the teachers happy, which is actually 99% of running a school, entitled twats that they are.

253995 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1313 of 1714 🔗

Well done you. According to Dr Reiner Fuellmich, the legal remedy of a class action no longer exists in Britain, but what can be done is an individual case of a child who has been harmed by them. The more such cases the merrier.

The lawyers in Germany are doing all this pro bono and putting their lives on the line. They put our lawyers to shame. Where are they?

254065 ▶▶ Watt, replying to Rosie, 1, #1314 of 1714 🔗

Wholeheartedly! Urgent, important..vital. I mooted the notion with my partner, and we kind of agreed. However, I for one would welcome a well written, polite and pointed(about repercussions inter alia!) template to deliver as parents to the schools in question. Where can we track any developments of this idea, please?
Don’t forget, a blanket delivery could trigger a blanket response, after all.

254223 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Watt, #1315 of 1714 🔗

Well, I’m already embroiled in debate with UsForThem and I’m not sure if they’ll want to hear more from me – perhaps you might approach ?

https://usforthem.co.uk/

254180 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Rosie, 2, #1316 of 1714 🔗

just gone back to the factory this week (uk automaker) and you need face covering when moving around or on the track but not sat at your desk, but im going to be fair here, there is pritty much universal uptake as expected, but face shields are prefered, and any old face shield will do, the cheap 1 pound jobbies from amazon seem to be the prefered choice by the workers on track, with the eye section cut out. Most of the masks are worn below the nose and buffs etc are also prevalent. People are doing what is ness to earn their living but clearly no one gives a toss, and management are not enforcing with any gusto.

253924 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 24, #1317 of 1714 🔗

Went for a walk here in Lisbon. There were many more out on the streets mask-free than there have been in recent days. Very good looking people as well. So I suppose that the not so good looking will cling to the mask.

253927 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to BJJ, 17, #1318 of 1714 🔗

I’m as ugly as they come but I still don’t want to wear a face nappy.

253934 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to BJJ, 16, #1319 of 1714 🔗

This is an often overlooked point.

Do the mask wearers realise how grotesque they are, both in appearance and demeanour?

253935 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BJJ, 2, #1320 of 1714 🔗

Has the court decision had a general effect on people making a choice ?

253950 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 2, #1321 of 1714 🔗

Hopefully – and followed by a domino effect.

253984 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to RickH, 3, #1322 of 1714 🔗

I think it must have. The drops of rain make a hole in the stone, said Lucretius. In this case though I think the cynical herd animals are simply awaiting the split in the herd and then they will run in a different direction. The same old story.

253963 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to BJJ, 1, #1323 of 1714 🔗

I have thought that Boris horrendous gnashers probably ought to be covered up. You’d have thought he would have sorted his teeth by now!

253930 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 16, #1324 of 1714 🔗

Has anyone been walking in the more remote areas of the Derbyshire Peak District since the new lockdown came into effect? I am thinking of areas such as Bleaklow, Kinder Scout etc.

Many people enjoying freedom?

I know Derbyshire police was particularly keen during the first lockdown, I remember seeing people being asked on HoudKkrk why they were out.

For my mental health I need to get out and get serious exercise and fresh air, I will take my chances of getting a fine, I am now at the point where going to court to defend my actions would add a bit of joy to my current life.

253943 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #1325 of 1714 🔗

No problems from what we’ve seen. I very much doubt that you will see any police up there, not after they made such idiots of themselves back in March and got bollocked by Lord Sumsion among others.. But, if you see 2 old buggers who are just happening to walk in the general vicinity of a younger woman and a boy at any point in the next week, it just might a couple of regular LSs, no names, no pack-drill. But say hello! MW

253962 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1326 of 1714 🔗

Went there during the first lockdown and no problems – so I would think it’s fine

254249 ▶▶ Dean, replying to Dave #KBF, #1327 of 1714 🔗

I tend to walk the most remote parts of the high peak, never seen a pig up there ever. If I see one of their drones up there this weekend, I’ll bury it in the peat bog.
I spent a lot of time walking, camp cooking and meditating in the first lockdown in Sherwood Forest (I live near there). Felt sorry for the poor bastards in the London parks being accosted by the filth for simply trying to enjoy the fresh air. I was actually hoping to come across the police in the forest so I could re-enact the first Rambo film.

253944 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1328 of 1714 🔗

Get a load of this! It’s all over bar the shouting!

The Telegraph (paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/18/uk-researchers-develop-nasal-spray-protects-against-covid/

The University of Birmingham has developed a formula that catches the virus in the nose and then encapsulates it in a viscous coating from which it cannot escape to cause infection. It means the virus would be harmless if it entered the respiratory tract and safe for a person to breathe out because it would already be inactive even if inhaled by another person.

Wow!

However, the researchers stressed that hand-washing remained important because Covid could still be picked up through touch.

“Products like these don’t replace existing measures such as mask-wearing and hand-washing, which will continue to be vital to preventing the spread of the virus,” added Dr Moakes. “What this spray will do, however, is add a second layer of protection to prevent and slow virus transmission.”

Oh dear!

So it’s a waste of bloody time, then.

And incidentally, just heard the TV in the background – a reporter on North East Tonight just started his report by proclaiming “face masks save lives” (a report about the adverse effects of face nappies on deaf people).

253961 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1329 of 1714 🔗

I have faith in “First Defense” nasal spray if I think I might have been “EXPOSED” to an old school cold virus. I actually think it works really well.

I can’t see why a similar nasal spray wouldn’t be effective against covids.

253975 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1330 of 1714 🔗

Good old First Defense. Used to use it religiously before long hauls or in fact short flights as well. Its the wasps nipples.

254050 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1331 of 1714 🔗

Yes. This ‘nasal spray’ being proffered might well be an upgraded affair, for the time of covid. A full list of ingredients will surely be required?

254061 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Watt, 2, #1332 of 1714 🔗

It’s probably got a bit of Cilit-Bang in it.

254080 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1333 of 1714 🔗

Bang and the virus is dead!

254087 ▶▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Watt, #1334 of 1714 🔗

I hope it mixes as well with in flight vodka like the original did….

253981 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 16, #1335 of 1714 🔗

No-one involved in the pandemic industry, including the bastard politicians, will EVER say that masks are no longer needed, because they have already dug themselves far too deep into that hole with the “if it saves one life” shit – if they turn round and say we don’t need masks and someone dies of covid thay are afraid they will get slaughtered by the opposition or the media. The whole thing has been subverted by both sides for self-serving political reasons – nothing to do with health. They are all utter cunts, pretending to be concerned for others when they are only concerned for themselves.

254071 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 3, #1336 of 1714 🔗

They could never prove that any individual snuffed it because anybody else wasn’t wearing a face nappy.
They could try comparing a nappied community with a similar non-nappied one over time, but they won’t because they know perfectly well what the result would be. No bloody difference.

254075 ▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to annie, 1, #1337 of 1714 🔗

Facts don’t seem to matter anymore to these people, though, do they? Only feelings.

254293 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #1338 of 1714 🔗

Surely, they just have to take covid off the notifiable diseases list and the problem will instantly be solved.

254068 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1339 of 1714 🔗

So your nose is full of viscous virus.
Next step?

253947 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1340 of 1714 🔗

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1361739/coronavirus-lockdown-latest-covid19-infection-statistics-november-18-daily-deaths -isn’t that the issue -it could be lockdown or it could be the natural curve of any pandemic going down. How can it be shown either way?

253983 ▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1341 of 1714 🔗

Cases began to level off before the tiers were introduced, and fall from the week ending the 23rd October nearly two weeks before this unnecessary lockdown. They will keep falling as well. The shithouses will then try and claim they have “beaten” the virus but we have reached community immunity in most of the country, imho.

254020 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1342 of 1714 🔗

More crap.

‘Infections’ = PCR+ results – which aren’t infections – let alone illness.

Deaths are actually rising … but in line with the normal pattern for the time of year. Real Covid is a minor cause.

Certainly no evidence of any lockdown effect.

253948 swedenborg, 19, #1343 of 1714 🔗

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1329061547663036417/photo/1

This is interesting

Croatia. No lockdowns. No curfew. Reduced masks in shops.Neighbouring Slovenia and Hungary mask mandate, full lockdown and curfews. The border Slovenia Croatia full of Slovenes going to Croatia.Three neighbour countries ,the same seasonal curve C-19 and C-19 deaths.
Once more the example that NPI has no effects at all.

253956 steph, 30, #1344 of 1714 🔗

I’m not seeing many people, surprise surprise, but of those few I do meet the overwhelming majority are saying they will see who they want when they want. It’s very reassuring. Sadly we are still hamstrung by those activities not open to us because the businesses would face hefty fines or permanent loss of licence.
Any true Conservative members of parliament reading this and other blogs must know that this has to stop. Not for Christmas, not on 2nd December but NOW.
Tell the PM to get a grip or remove him. The people of the UK deserve much better than this.

253958 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #1345 of 1714 🔗

Are the rest of the Tories waiting until Johnson and his cartel have bankrupted the country before stepping in?

253967 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1346 of 1714 🔗

Shithouses

253970 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #1347 of 1714 🔗

No they are bankrupting the western economies so that the globalists can then start to hand out money to 6uild 6ack 6etter, but only doing as the 1% want.

The green agenda is already starting to show itself, ie no more new internal combustion powered vehicles after 2030, talk of mileage charge for road users (bike and walkers excluded).

I think very few individuals will be allowed personal powered transportation, I think it will be public transport, on your bike or walk for the vast majority. Buying a car as we do now will probably not be an option.

254004 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dave #KBF, 13, #1348 of 1714 🔗

People need to wake up.How much new electrical generating capacity will be needed to power all these electric cars.We will already face a shortfall as our Nuclear power stations reach the end of their life and perfectly good coal generating power stations have been destroyed .Its logical that car ownership will be only for the rich.

254009 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1349 of 1714 🔗

It also leaves the country open to invasion.

254281 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1350 of 1714 🔗

That was fine when people worked in the same town as they lived and there were loads of subsidised local buses. There were also local shops within easy walking distance before the supermarkets killed them off.
Can’t imagine how the proles are going to get to work!

253997 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1351 of 1714 🔗

I don’t think any of them want what will be a seriously poisoned chalice.

254010 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1352 of 1714 🔗

Maybe. Then things literally can only get better…

253972 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Richard O, 10, #1354 of 1714 🔗

DeSantis in Florida is pretty good as well.

253976 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Chicot, 10, #1355 of 1714 🔗

Fair point, although unlike Noem he ordered a shelter in place and mandated masks. He has since recanted, very honourably too.

253985 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Richard O, 8, #1356 of 1714 🔗

There was a disgraceful hit piece on Governor Noem in the Spectator by their resident Covidista Simon Clarke the other day. Even a search for her name brings up a mountain of slanderous, lying bile. I HATE the mainstream scum media.

253992 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Liam, 12, #1357 of 1714 🔗

She could be a very strong candidate for President in 2024.

Providing of course that the Global Demoncunts haven’t dismantled the Constitution along with everything else by then.

253971 shorthand, replying to shorthand, 32, #1358 of 1714 🔗

Evening all. I feel truly invigorated! After my State Mandated Hate Hour (Well, actually, 20 minutes of screaming at the TV during BBC parliament Cov update while having dinner) a wave of complete euphoria has washed over me. I can truly recommend this to everyone.
Just away to clean up the 3mt radius spray of food bits now.

I will say this though and at risk of losing my mojo.. If I hear one more thing that our hard working ‘heros’ are going to get free or discounted, parking, shite at Morrisons, discount private health, whatever, I don’t think I’m going to be responsible for my actions…

254002 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to shorthand, 3, #1359 of 1714 🔗

Thanks for the laugh and imagery of the 3 metre radius of food bits.

254007 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to shorthand, 16, #1360 of 1714 🔗

People in the most secure jobs in the country getting freebies and handouts (including a discount on vaping supplies at a local vaping shop) while across the country businesses close their doors forever and unemployment soars. It really is a religion.

254069 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1361 of 1714 🔗

Ask yourself though can Morrison’s survive with just NHS customers?

253973 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 12, #1362 of 1714 🔗

The CS Lewis quote above, with a relevant extra bit.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end… To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. ” CS Lewis, 1948.

254066 ▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 1, #1363 of 1714 🔗

Infants, imbeciles, and zombies.
Domestic animals are out of that class.

254070 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, #1364 of 1714 🔗

Maybe Annie, but people still cut off their goolies without obtaining consent. 🙂

254110 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, #1365 of 1714 🔗

Don’t give the government ideas!! In your box! Bad person!

253986 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 21, #1366 of 1714 🔗

Using our fury, white hot controlled fury that propels us into action.

But here too we can use our fear …. in fact our terror. I posted this down thread and thought I’d put it up again for separate discussion:

During last night I was woken up by screaming, lots of screaming which disturbed me from deep sleep. Wondering where the screaming is coming from …. and discover it’s coming from me. It’s me screaming about the hellhole we are in already, and the vastly worse to come.

So yes I am terrified, I am absolutely terrified and so should we all be because it’s the opposite of complacency, it’s the correct emotional response to what is happening. But use that terror, not to cower, not to freeze in a corner – but to FIGHT. Fight back, even if we feel like a mouse fighting for survival against a leopard, that’s what a cornered animal does in the final resort, it doesn’t freeze, it fights.

Whatever mood you are in, whether fear or anger, whether terror or fury …. the trick is to channel that emotion, to use it well and wisely.

Long ago I was explaining to a young lad that anger is useful, it’s like a powerful motorcycle – ride it skillfully and it will take you places.

They’ve been telling us that anger is a wrong thing to feel, telling us that being a man is wrong, telling us that ordinary human responses are in fact a medical problem.

Bollox to all that. I’m a human.

254026 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Rosie, 11, #1367 of 1714 🔗

Thank you Rosie for posting that. I was just drafting a comment myself.

It seems that there is a lot of anger on here today being directed against people who are fearful. To despise the fearful is to demean ourselves.

People are fearful as a result of a crime that has been perpetrated against us all. Remember the SAGE minute that says “a substantial number of people do not feel sufficiently personally threatened….The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased”.
We are the lucky (I think!) ones who saw through, or have come to see through, the psychological manipulation. If the messages had hit us on a different day, who knows how we would have reacted. What state of fear would we now be in? It’s easy to say “They would never have fooled me” after the event. But we do not know.
So let’s turn our anger against the perpetrators of this crime, not against their victims.
Let’s act in whatever way we can using our talents and abilities to their best – whether that’s engaging in debate in the streets, leafletting, writing letters, putting posters up… whatever.
And with every little action we take say “That’s one against you, you bastards. That’s one for your victims”.

254034 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 8, #1368 of 1714 🔗

Agree, well said. The gov wants to divide the people one against another and make us fight like rats in a sack while they get out the popcorn.

254208 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, 2, #1369 of 1714 🔗

Absolutely. Part of the Goebbels’ memorial agenda has been to set the community against each other.

Part of the resistance is to resist that intention.

254258 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 2, #1370 of 1714 🔗

Yes!
That’s why I resonated very strongly with Paul Boys’ message. It is full of wisdom, compassion and, above all, hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sVeGcaw36Y&fbclid=IwAR18bGElXhsM2kpX0SetMjalnRG-d2Gn947wMYM1PrrEb8sgkz5rTNmg5Qc

254035 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 4, #1371 of 1714 🔗

I get that. I was under the spell and increasingly fearful for about a week back in Feb or so. It felt bad at the time, but I recovered almost overnight. I think it may be partly due to an underlying mindset and luck. I’d like all of my old pals back, so soft pedal it has to be, urgency notwithstanding.

254115 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 4, #1372 of 1714 🔗

Yes indeed

It is disappointing more people have not woken up sooner, and it’s hard not to be angry with people

But many are as much victim as anyone else, and there’s little to be gained alienating them

254121 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 3, #1373 of 1714 🔗

Sorry, but no. Credulous fools arouse my anger, particularly when they direct their moronic prejudices against me.
Were the Germans who approved of Nazi genocide ‘victims’? Because it’s quite obvious that our zombies would have been of their number, given the same circumstances.

254175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 2, #1374 of 1714 🔗

Think about our goal, focus on our objectives, and work to achieve them

254261 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #1375 of 1714 🔗

You need to aim your anger at more appropriate targets. At the smug and the virtue-signalling, rather than at the fearful.

254063 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Rosie, 6, #1376 of 1714 🔗

As per the Public image song rise “anger is an energy “ – I find a lot of punk song sentiments ( sorry I hit teen years at the height of late 70s punk!) the inner punk never goes away , even as middle aged mum.

254077 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #1377 of 1714 🔗

member this one?
Violators-Government Stinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg9jy8gi62Y
Lovely. So inspirational!

254253 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 2, #1378 of 1714 🔗

Fear makes us freeze – the sheeple are a perfect example.
But fear can also makes us sensibly wary.

Anger is what motivates action.
Get mad – but use the energy wisely!!

254287 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1379 of 1714 🔗

Interestingly, hope also make people freeze, at least according to Lerner and Keltner’s Appraisal Tendency Framework .

This framework maps emotional states onto tendencies to decide in certain directions:

  • Both happiness and anger cause a tendency to prefer action choices.
  • Fear and hope cause a preference for passive choices.
  • Anxiety causes preferences for safe choices.
  • Sadness causes preferences for risky choices.

So the public, trapped between a fear of death and the hope of a vaccine, sit on their arses and do nothing.

We need them to be either angry or sad.

254351 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, #1380 of 1714 🔗

thanks for that Mabel
I’ve noticed that ‘hope’ is very unhelpful in this situation. Mouth platitudes and sit around waiting.

253996 Cotton, replying to Cotton, #1381 of 1714 🔗

Interesting one: https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1329073870540685313?s=08 – I’m not on twitter to get this more widely circulated and see if we can get an answer from the authors…

254017 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cotton, 1, #1382 of 1714 🔗

Please give a summary of they are saying ….

254109 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 1, #1383 of 1714 🔗

it looks to me like they nerfed this study.

the protocol had a significant number of measures for adverse events:

bacteria, psychological, full healthcare, sick leave, infection in the household, other hospital diagnostics, etc.

NONE are included in the study.

253999 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 19, #1384 of 1714 🔗

In case it’s any use to anyone, here’s a poster to suggest to parents that getting tested is the opposite of being public spirited.

254016 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1385 of 1714 🔗

Mabel – really good reactions to your ‘don’t be a muppet’ leaflet today. I’m hungry now but will be back later to talk about it.

254052 ▶▶ Mel, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #1386 of 1714 🔗

Unfortunately schools sending kids home require a negative test or enforce the isolation period before allowing kids with “symptoms” back in school. Id like it if someone would target the bloody teachers and make them stop getting tested. I had several teacher friends before this, and all, without exception, are fine with pubs and restaurants, but seem to think they risk their lives going to work.

254072 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mel, 4, #1387 of 1714 🔗

A significant proportion of teachers are lazy, entitled pricks.

254003 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1388 of 1714 🔗

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1329073870540685313

This twitter thread goes into details of the Danish Mask Study.The interesting bits they left out to get it printed.

“it looks to me like they nerfed this study. the protocol had a significant number of measures for adverse events: bacteria, psychological, full healthcare, sick leave, infection in the household, other hospital diagnostics, etc. NONE are included in the study

Most likely taken away to get it published.

Can anyone see a study design for masks being useful to stop the spread? This would be an impossible study in a RCT and would have major ethical obstacles. The mask fanatics have made life easy by saying masks stop spreading C-19 as there could be no study to prove it.
But observation of worldwide seasonal wave raging in all mask mandate states in the US and countries in the world would be dismissed as observational studies with bias.

 But other observational studies from some half-baked Chinese studies showing a possible small effect of masks in HCW are accepted by mask fanatics.

254212 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1389 of 1714 🔗

Can anyone see a study design for masks being useful to stop the spread?”

It’s hard to envisage such a design.

I think the best that we can get is the observational data around the inflection of the mortality curve following the imposition of masks. Real infection would be better – but I can’t see any way of measuring it.

254240 ▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to RickH, 1, #1390 of 1714 🔗

May be you could randomly designate regions of a country to be mask-wearing or not mask-wearing, assess the infection rates at the beginning of the study with identical PCR tests, and again at the end with the same tests. I think some states in the USA and cantons in Switzerland came close to doing such an experiment. However, the assignment wasn’t random but dictated by politics and so there could be underlying factors explaining the results.

254005 AndrewM, 1, #1391 of 1714 🔗
254012 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #1392 of 1714 🔗

Just interesting to see what’s happening in 2 of the pinup cities of Tier 3, Liverpool & Manchester. Yes, that’s right, Liverpool home of mass testing. The LFT results are included in the Pillar 2 results. Liverpool had Tier 3 from Oct 14th even though peak positive tests was 8th Oct. There’s been no deviation in the downward trend since then, they’d thrown in an extra 90,000 tests & nothing has altered the course.
Manchester, Tier 3 23rd. It had peaked on the 30th Sept! No deviation from any actions.
Why are we putting up with this?

254059 ▶▶ annie, replying to NickR, 4, #1393 of 1714 🔗

We aren’t.
Zombies are.

254183 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 1, #1394 of 1714 🔗

Thanks for these, Nick. Yet more fuel on the bonfire of the rationale for ‘measures’.

… and yet the rubbish keeps piling up.

254235 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, #1395 of 1714 🔗

Thanks Nick. Used the info as an excuse to myther my MP yet again.

254013 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #1396 of 1714 🔗

Berliners making their displeasure known against the (German) Infection Protection Act.

https://twitter.com/DaFeid/status/1329036642955501568

Belarus? Hongkong?

No, it’s Berlin today.

Protests against the new

German Infection Protection Act

254294 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1397 of 1714 🔗

I’d rather be infected and live free and actually have a taste of living than be permanently imprisoned in a state controlled half life

What’s the point of being healthy if we can’t live our lives?

254014 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1398 of 1714 🔗

Japan taking a different approach. Lots of masks but very little closed according to this.

Felix Rex (Black Pigeon Speaks)

2020 -TOKYO’s Strange 3rd Wave Lockdown: A Walk-through, AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM9uV5W_hwY

254021 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, -9, #1399 of 1714 🔗

Who said japanese were clever?! Just as morons as the rest!

Drop a few nukes and problem solved…

254033 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #1400 of 1714 🔗

The “LOTS OF MASKS” do SHIT…


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But as USUAL modern moron slaves do like to believe in fairy tales!

Clearly the japanese approach is more “Forget Cases. Pretend Masks are GOOD and just let the herd of morons circulate and consume”

254073 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1401 of 1714 🔗

I like circulating and consuming. I like it better than tying on the internet calling people morons. That is boring.

254076 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Recusant, #1402 of 1714 🔗

Yep… another one! Still thinks there’s “people”! Sheeple moron… SHEEPLE!

And of course you like “circulating and consuming” that’s what you’re here for and what you’re programmed to do. Until now at least.

254103 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, #1403 of 1714 🔗

Well, it takes all sorts. Some like to circulate and consume, some don’t.

254219 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 3, #1404 of 1714 🔗

I’m wondering what Voz has recently been consuming.

254019 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 14, #1405 of 1714 🔗

The fucker SPOKE!

“My prediction would be that over 50% of business travel and over 30% of days in the office will go away.” @BillGates on post-pandemic working habits!

Only it’s NOT A PREDICTION it’s a GOAL.

254097 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1406 of 1714 🔗

and not a fuck given for the millions of people who work in industries supporting those things.

254326 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to A Heretic, #1407 of 1714 🔗

I think you’ll find our highly concerned leaders have advised all people affected by the disruption to …..re-train .(details yet to be confirmed)

254023 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 24, #1408 of 1714 🔗

Carl Heneghan undermining the official narrative again:

https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1329120755125194757

19,609 UK cases reported today: now moved beyond flatlining to falling: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases the next few days should confirm the trend

What a star!!

254122 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nick Rose, #1409 of 1714 🔗

and of course people will say that is the result of 2 weeks of lockdown. “Great !”

254028 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 24, #1410 of 1714 🔗

This is actually one of the most uplifting tweets I’ve read recently:

https://twitter.com/julietskillern/status/1329112674257543170

I was feeling very low yesterday and this morning – wishing I was older and had died last year before all this kicked off. But actually, deep within, I know this is all going to end well …. and I don’t want to miss when that happens

254032 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #1411 of 1714 🔗

Another uplifting quote from one of the replies:

We can help each other get through the low points. We are getting bombarded with crap at the moment precisely because they’re losing. Tomorrow is another day, stay strong, we’ve got this.

254090 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 4, #1412 of 1714 🔗

A lot to be said for that reply! They are losing, big time :o))

254114 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1413 of 1714 🔗

Just stick it out. They are scared of us.

254211 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #1414 of 1714 🔗

So they should be!

254029 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 27, #1415 of 1714 🔗

It had to be written.

We can draw some significant conclusions from the recent events around the self isolation of Mr Boris Johnson. I will first summarise the key events.

  1. Mr Johnson is found to have had close contact with a colleague who has subsequently tested positive for Covid-19.
  2. Mr Johnson announced that, in consequence, he would be isolating for fourteen days.
  3. Mr Johnson apparently tested positive for Covid -19 (using the PCR test I believe).
  4. Mr Johnson announced the he was ‘bursting with antibodies’ or something similar.
  5. Mr Johnson subsequently tested negative for Covid-19 using the latest lateral flow test.
  6. Mr Johnson announce that nevertheless he would continue to self isolate.

What can we conclude from this?

  1. The PCR or lateral flow test or both are unreliable. In fact there is a significant body of evidence (including Mr Hancock’s own admission of a 1% false positive rate for the PCR test) to show that the PCR test is unfit for purpose.
  2. Apparently being ’bursting with antibodies’ does not confer immunity from the virus since continued isolation is still required.
  3. It follows from (2) that any vaccine will be a waste of time since having the relevant antibodies (as produced by a successful vaccine) does not confer immunity and hence does not allow one to resume normal life in the community.

It should be clear from the foregoing reductio ad absurdum that this whole ‘pandemic’ is shrouded in a fog of irrationality so dense that it obviates any possibly of rational thought or action, as demonstrated by this government and its ministers on a daily basis.

254037 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Basileus, 2, #1416 of 1714 🔗

Lucid.

254058 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, 1, #1417 of 1714 🔗

Not a word that can be applied to a anything said, done or thought by HMG.

254086 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Basileus, 4, #1418 of 1714 🔗

Boris is isolating himself from being confronted by the truth. No fridge to hand. He never had Covid in the first place getting into hospial was a way of being protected from the limelight.

254209 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1419 of 1714 🔗

Or, as someone suggested, he was getting a vasectomy.

254189 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Basileus, 5, #1420 of 1714 🔗

Correct summation, but the secret that nobody wants to admit is that it’s all charades.
It isn’t supposed to make any sense. The medical pretext will persist until the WHO calls te “pandemic” over. That won’t happen until the bigger goals have been reached and the reset/new normal/ build back better agenda is cemented in peoples minds as a done deal with no going back.
The disruption of peoples habits and activities over an extended period of time will leave most people so bewildered that they won’t even remember what life was like and will gladly be “lead” to salvation by a great leaders.

It must be remembered that the Great Reset is basically about the brainwashing of the next generation to accept a life different from the older folk . Anyone middle age and over is not really relevant to the orchestrators of this mayhem .

254031 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #1421 of 1714 🔗

Interesting …

Attorney Sidney Powell: Trump Had Up to 80 Million Votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPZuGpH95KQ

254044 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, -11, #1422 of 1714 🔗

Newsmax? FFS
Wayne County Board of Canvassers GOP members M onica Palmer and William Hartmann have already caved in.

254051 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, -12, #1423 of 1714 🔗

Newsmax & OANN or both sticking their heads up Trumps arse because it makes good business sense as they can see a niche market segment that even Fox is shying away from

254064 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to MutzNutz, 12, #1424 of 1714 🔗

You drew the late shift ? Tough luck.

254039 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 10, #1425 of 1714 🔗

Scots can mix in “baubles” over Christmas and Hogmanay, says the Sturgeonfuhrer.

They’ll hang out their baubles on the Siegfried line.

254043 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Stuart, 2, #1426 of 1714 🔗

Hogmanay as well? Boris won’t allow the English their Hogmanay. She will look weak.

254089 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Stuart, 2, #1427 of 1714 🔗

Sounds like a load of baullox to me…

254144 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Stuart, 2, #1428 of 1714 🔗

Bit off track, but looking back at why Blair was keen on devolution really should act as a warning for others. Labour were so certain that they would never out of power, so certain that devolution would end nationalism. And yet now you have Drakeford & Sturgeon and Labour are decimated in Scotland. Incredible but history always should be your guide.

254174 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1429 of 1714 🔗

Devolution was a plan to give Labour perpetual control of Scotland and Wales and London.Like a lot of things Blair touched it has turned into a disaster .

254041 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #1430 of 1714 🔗

I’ve been looking at The Economic Forum stuff tonight. I’d never looked before. The thinh that most strikes me is the focus on ‘multi-lateralism’. Is this why Trump had to go? The swamp that needs clearing out extends way beyond Washington, it’s everywhere, UN, EU, Pan Pacific, Nato.

254105 ▶▶ John P, replying to NickR, 1, #1431 of 1714 🔗

I’ve never looked at it, but are you suggesting that Klaus Schwab fixed the American election? How did he manage that?

254164 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 3, #1432 of 1714 🔗

I think the democrats managed that all on their own

254188 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1433 of 1714 🔗

I think the CCP provided a lot of funding to the Dems.

254165 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to John P, 5, #1435 of 1714 🔗

It is impossible to over emphasise the relevance of the WEF in all that has been going on for a good number of years and particularly this present manufactured crisis.
Rule by a global technocratic elite is the agenda. This is not just an annual schmooze-fest for well meaning “philanthropists”at Davos.

There is a number of similar organisations interlinked by personnel and agenda .They are totally serious and totally committed to their cause.

The state of the US election is the result of several decades of careful manoeuvring and wide scale corruption at all levels of the govt machinery, the same has happened in the UK and most everywhere else.

Trump isn’t necessarily the “good” guy but he isn’t “their” . He is a risk and has to go .
Some exceptional people are trying to root out the systemic corruption and hopefully they will come through but it’s very late in the day, we are all nearly neck deep in the swamp.

please research the background of Dominion voting machines and the role of our own Mark Malik Brown .

people don’t realise that most of these problems are actively propagated from Whitehall.

254207 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1437 of 1714 🔗

It’s all disturbing stuff.
It goes deep and it’s extremely depressing when one tries to live a good honest life. The people in charge should be humble with the privilege given to them by us and they repay us with scheming and corruption.
If all the Reset stuff was so fantastic why can’t they be open about it.
Most of the economic/social/environmental problems in the World haven’t been caused by people like us , it’s the Frankenstein money go round system they’ve forced on us. We’ve had no say in any of it. Now they are intent on most surveillance and control in all aspects of our lives. This is going to end badly .

254166 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to John P, 4, #1438 of 1714 🔗

It’s like a whirl pool. Schwab is only one small part of that turning mass of corruption

254176 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to John P, 1, #1439 of 1714 🔗

No, but it certainly wasn’t in the the interest of multi-lateral organisations that he won it. Convergent opportunism.

254210 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to NickR, #1440 of 1714 🔗

it’s funny, there has been zero mention of foreign interference in the US elections.

254346 ▶▶▶