2020-11-19

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254443 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 14, #1 of 1705 🔗

Extract from The Independent report on police water cannons in Berlin yesterday.

“Anti lockdown protests have galvanised those with a mixture of political and ideological allegiances opposed to the infringement of individual liberties that many governments have turned to in a bed* (sic) to slow the spread of the virus.”

* bld ?

255054 ▶▶ Liam, replying to karenovirus, 2, #2 of 1705 🔗

Bid.

255162 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Liam, 2, #3 of 1705 🔗

Indeed, I was too busy to edit in time.

My point was to compare the Indy coverage with that of the Telegraph (roundup) which labelled them all as Far Right.

The Indy also reported thousands attending ” in scenes replicated throughout the Continent and around the world”

255250 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to karenovirus, 2, #4 of 1705 🔗

No worries, I wasn’t trying to be a smart arse. Interesting contrast and shows how awful the Telegraph is now.

255263 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Liam, 3, #5 of 1705 🔗

I didn’t think you were but should have quoted from the Telegraph in my opening post to emphasise the different approach.
I think it important that Lockdown Sceptics span the usual political divide.

255329 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to karenovirus, 3, #6 of 1705 🔗

Definitely. I’m very much to the right on most issues but I welcome all lovers of freedom here with open arms whether left or right.

255651 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liam, 3, #7 of 1705 🔗

The DT article was absolutely awful – more suited to the Graun!

255159 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 4, #8 of 1705 🔗

The Guardian labelled them ‘far right’ FFS!

255168 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 2, #9 of 1705 🔗

As did the Telegraph, see my response to Liam above.

255760 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Ben, 2, #10 of 1705 🔗

The grauniad will label anybody to the right of Corbyn far right

255658 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 1, #11 of 1705 🔗

An improvement from being labelled a conspiracy nut

254444 Chris John, #12 of 1705 🔗

Ooooh

254445 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 73, #13 of 1705 🔗

Tweet from governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota – an impressive politician –

Unfortunately, the spread of #COVID19 is rising in nearly every state, regardless of if they have mask mandates in place. Here in South Dakota, we’re focusing on solutions that DO good, not on responses that FEEL good.

https://twitter.com/govkristinoem/status/1329216568778080256

Unfortunately the bozos that run our country only care about what looks good to their supporters and what sounds good to their media cheerleaders – not what is actually effective – evidence, what evidence

254554 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Aslangeo, 24, #14 of 1705 🔗

Unfortunately you’re right. It’s part of that abomination that they have “to be seen to be doing something” even if its bonkers, doesn’t work and worse of all have shown to be far worse than the initial problem.

They never learn and we’re paying the price.

254613 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #15 of 1705 🔗

I don’t know. The regime seems pretty committed to ‘masks for all.’ There is more behind that than the desire to be seen to be doing something.

254663 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, 36, #16 of 1705 🔗

I’ve long had the suspicion that the mandatory masks was one way to inflate the figures as people succumb to chest infections, colds, bacterial pneumonia while wearing them.

254798 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 33, #17 of 1705 🔗

Masks enhance the atmosphere of crisis and danger.Fear has been used to control the population all along the way.Their diseased rag has become a comfort blanket for many who wear one unthinkingly.

254812 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #18 of 1705 🔗

That’s a more realistic explanation than a plot to spread infection.

254847 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 7, #19 of 1705 🔗

How so ? Both sound pretty likely to me.

254877 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to JohnB, 11, #20 of 1705 🔗

yup it’s a win win for the psychopaths. Lose lose for the sheeple.

255059 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 4, #21 of 1705 🔗

Both are plausible agree.

254835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 14, #22 of 1705 🔗

I agree. Mask mandates are part of a psyop.

255232 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #23 of 1705 🔗

Exactly. They have to keep us down and terrified in case we realise how we’ve been conned and controlled by lies, misinformation and the overwhelming desire of SAGE, the PM and Hancock to exert totalitarian control over the tiniest details of our lives. Even Middle Age serfs weren’t so micromanaged. But do what I’m doing -email all the brave MPs who opposed the lockdown encouraging them and telling them how you feel. Then email Johnson and Hancock and write to Whitless and Valium telling them how they have fxxxcked the entire country with their lies. Hassle them. If thousands of us did it, maybe they might listen with their cloth ears.

254844 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ms Maxine Shaverin, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #24 of 1705 🔗

Nor forgetting of course that especially whilst damp they are great germ catchers!

254996 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Bart Simpson, 20, #25 of 1705 🔗

Masks are a symbol of fear and submission. That’s why they’re being imposed upon us.

255201 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Geeblin, replying to Lms23, -34, #26 of 1705 🔗

Actually masks are a method of minimising particulate spreadc from coughing and sneezing, which they do. Only a moron would try and argue they don’t. How about I spit in your face with and without a mask on – which do you think will be less unpleasant?

255295 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Geeblin, 11, #27 of 1705 🔗

????
Just had some interesting exchanges on FB with mostly Americans re face coverings. SO asked me if I would let a surgeon operate on me with out a FC, I said yes, so they replied would I accept not sterilised instruments from the previous operation. Totally different situation, like comparing aerosols dispersed through breath to spitting.

255371 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to Geeblin, 16, #28 of 1705 🔗

That’s strange….I thought handkerchiefs were the thing to use for coughing and sneezing. The germs were then binned not breathed in. Or maybe ‘the science’ on hankies has changed…

255567 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ms Maxine Shaverin, replying to Geeblin, 15, #29 of 1705 🔗

only a complete moron would cough or sneeze in someone’s face. Coughing and sneezing otherwise really is not that big an issue but if you cough or sneeze whilst wearing a mask and are infected with a low viral load then well done, you have just made your infection much worse

255667 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Geeblin, 8, #30 of 1705 🔗

You sound like the sort of person troll who goes around spitting.

255738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Geeblin, 9, #31 of 1705 🔗

Do you always spit in people’s faces when you are not wearing your muzzle?

255883 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Geeblin, 7, #32 of 1705 🔗

Surely if you are coughing and sneezing you should be isolating, not out and about with only a mask to “protect” others.

256072 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Geeblin, 4, #33 of 1705 🔗

Last person who spat at me got a punch in the face.Its not acceptable behaviour nor is sneezing over somebody.What a ridiculous straw man argument.

255886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #34 of 1705 🔗

Suspicion bordering on certainty.

254686 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Ovis, 13, #35 of 1705 🔗

It makes people think that they are ‘safe’, thereby encouraging them to go to work and out to spend money. In fact, it is an illusory ‘safety’ which is actually spreading the virus and establishing herd immunity.

254778 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Caroline Watson, 9, #36 of 1705 🔗

I hope so. Anything that spreads it at this point must be a good thing. But I don’t think that’s done deliberately by ”our dear leaders” – it’s just a happy accident, since the point of muzzles is the display of subservience.

255024 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #37 of 1705 🔗

You don’t need a mask to spend money online which is where most people are having to shop because so many businesses are closed. People are currently advised to work from home again. MW

255881 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #38 of 1705 🔗

The question is whether it is deliberate, I very much doubt if it is.

255877 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 3, #39 of 1705 🔗

Rather like yourself it seems, I don’t buy the need “to be seen to be doing something” line, which is simply a way of making excuses for corrupt governments the world over. Those that don’t believe that something extremely sinister is afoot, probably still believe in the Tooth Fairy, Father Christmas and the basic goodness of western governments. When the f**k are these people going to come to their senses, far too late after vaccination.

254775 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #40 of 1705 🔗

They’re not in the game ”to learn”. The agenda is being followed – facts must fit the agenda. ”Learning” anything that might be of benefit to the people is simply unimportant.

254589 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Aslangeo, 21, #41 of 1705 🔗

I hope Noem ends up on the national scene as a presidential or VP candidate. She has absolutely nailed this “crisis.”

254661 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to RyanM, 8, #42 of 1705 🔗

I was pretty impressed by her, Kristi Noem talks a good game

254886 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #43 of 1705 🔗

Noem 2024
Make Americans (and the Row) Free (and sane) Again!

254889 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #44 of 1705 🔗

The most liked replies to that tweet make for depressing reading.

255013 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Scotty87, 2, #45 of 1705 🔗

Does it help to recall that the Twitter audience is self-selecting and Twitter mobs are a thing?

255031 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to awildgoose, 8, #46 of 1705 🔗

Plus they are infiltrated by 77th Brigade bots and their equivalents in other countries. MW

255129 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #47 of 1705 🔗

A good place to post the truth and the SS (77th) brigade poorly-aimed blunt darts can be shown to be pathetic.

255342 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to awildgoose, 7, #48 of 1705 🔗

Stop calling Youtube Youtube. It’s Googletube. They own it, they run it and they censure anything that they don’t like. Unlike the original Youtube.

255019 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #49 of 1705 🔗

We’re at the beginning of flu season. Or LongCovid, depending on which side of the fence you are. Is it covid19 or is it a strain of flu? How precise are their analyzes?
More phony news?

255662 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #50 of 1705 🔗

But have you read the comments?!

254447 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 58, #51 of 1705 🔗

Re Toby’s A&E witness report on the wearing of masks.
“On arrival at hospital my blood levels were checked, mine were 97, the usual range is 95-100, hypoxia begins at 90”.

That chimes well with a post I made three weeks ago about my neighbour ‘Terry’ who attends a renal clinic for diabetes.
He also has COPD and at that clinic after his blood oxygen had been maximized to 90 (not good, see end of quote above) he was told to put on a mask for ten minutes.
After that his reading was 85.

Terry wears a mask exempt lanyard.

254562 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 36, #52 of 1705 🔗

If and when my workplace reopens this December, it will be interesting to see how my colleagues will get on given they will have to mask up for 7-8 hours.

Even before this I was already noticing that some of them were developing acne and dodgy looking rashes. I won’t be surprised if we’re going to get people phoning off sick for bacterial pneumonia, dermatitis, impetigo, etc. And me being asked about claiming exemption and where I got my lanyard.

254752 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bart Simpson, 46, #53 of 1705 🔗

I say to people: “see that rash on your face? Look at all those spots. That’s bacteria collecting and not being released. See what’s happening in your face. Now imagine what is happening in your lungs! And in your children’s lungs!” Masks are a HEALTH RISK!

255160 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #54 of 1705 🔗

Soon we will see hundreds and thousands of people walking the streets of our cities with faces uglier than The Picture of Dorian Gray.

255739 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to richard riewer, 2, #55 of 1705 🔗

Acne’s not funny.

255784 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to John P, 2, #56 of 1705 🔗

Made my life hell well into my 30s…first the face, then the back – stuff of nightmares!!

254758 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #57 of 1705 🔗

I was told over yesterday’s Zoom call that my workplace won’t be reopening until March at the earliest…

254740 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 7, #58 of 1705 🔗

Whatever happened to logic?

254746 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #59 of 1705 🔗

The COPD clinician was demonstrating the danger of masks without actually saying so.

254901 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to karenovirus, 34, #60 of 1705 🔗

It is absolutely criminal that the negative side effects of masks have not been taken into account before mandating them.
The research that existed was ignored and, even worse, many willful helpers from the medical profession could be found that went on to pervert it’s findings.
That alone makes it a medical experiment in breach of the Nuremberg code.
And the worst crime is the mask mandate for children and in schools.
That is child abuse, nothing else.
And the worst criminals, in order, are those that mandated the policy, the medics and scientists arguing for it and not opposing it, the headmasters and teachers demanding and enforcing it, the children that embraced it and bully others, and the parents not resisting and fighting against it.
History, and hopefully one day also the courts, won’t judge them lightly.

255584 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #61 of 1705 🔗

It is absolutely criminal that the negative side effects of masks have not been taken into account before mandating them.

Couldn’t agree more. Hugely important…and a crime

255248 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to karenovirus, 10, #62 of 1705 🔗

Both my parents have heart problems & have been told by their GP & practice nurses not to wear masks under any circumstances, due to the almost instant breathlessness having a mask on causes them.

Have recently been to the local A&E & out of hours with my Dad for other reasons and his exemption has been accepted without question.

I guess it depends on where in the country you are & how ‘relaxed’ or how sensible the doctors and nurses are towards the virus.

256161 ▶▶▶ Christina, replying to Ruth Sharpe, #63 of 1705 🔗

I nearly lost my shit with my mum’s cardiologist today. We live in Spain my mum is Spanish. She has a heart and kidney problem. She’s been complaining about the mask she feels breathless and anxious and her glasses fog up, she had a bad fall in the street last year and is nervous about not seeing properly with the mask. I said I would raise it with the doctor. Now previously I cannot fault the Spanish healthcare they’ve been brilliant with my mum who is 85 and very active even with her conditions. She was very sick last year and they brought her back to life. I normally get on very well with her cardiologist but I raised the issue of the mask and whether we could get an assessment done on her as to whether wearing a mask is safe for her. He was wearing two masks. Now I understand the nervousness of healthcare workers in relation to the virus especially considering all the fear that has been pumped out – they are no less prone to it than the general public. He immediately told me that hospitalisations were rising and that it was often those not wearing masks that were hospitalised. He must have thought he was talking to a moron. Firstly Spain has one of the strictest mask wearing mandates in Europe- you have to wear them everywhere, out in the street while exercising or not, children have to wear them in school often all day and while exercising etc. There seems to be complete compliance from what I see. So not sure where he got his information that the majority of hospitalisations were from non mask wearers. Then I started arguing with him regarding the lack of scientific evidence for the efficacy of masks. I immediately felt bad and stopped as felt my mum‘a cardiology appointment was not the time or place and I was just venting at this point.

I didn’t get an assessment for my mum re masks but it did make me think about schools and hospitals- two of our most important services and the way they are being used to aid and abet the covid bullshit.

254448 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 40, #64 of 1705 🔗

It’s interesting that this site has published the piece by Sebastian Friebel. Surely it puts to rest any notion that both the UK’s governments and those across the Western world have all participated in the destruction of the economy and the terrorisation of the population due to “bumbling incompetence”, or the undue influence of Dominic Cummings on the Cabinet.

254450 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 36, #65 of 1705 🔗

Having had time to read the entire article every single point he so succinctly makes has been put here on LS, sometimes repeatedly.
Until now I have been wary of anti-5G protests thinking they were “5G will fry my brain” nutters but having become aware of the CCP Social Credit abomination some weeks ago it is clear that this technology is being rolled out to implement it across the western world with the collusion of almost all our politicians, media, business and academic elites and not in our interests.

254452 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to karenovirus, 22, #66 of 1705 🔗

I’m referring almost entirely to Toby’s avoidance of being read as a “conspiracy theorist”, and playing off what is clearly a conspiracy on a global scale as localised incompetence. I agree that virtually everything in Friebel’s piece has been expounded and discussed in the comments section frequently.

254454 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark H, 29, #67 of 1705 🔗

Friebel is extremely persuasive.

What is unhelpful, in my opinion, about the conspiracy theorists is that they claim to know everything about what’s going on and they just end up blaring meaninglessly about Gates or Soros or whoever. The fact is that we do not know what is going on. The evidence is, however, mounting that global corporations and national governments are exploiting the crisis to entrench their power. (Actually in the case of national governments, this was obvious from the very beginning, because their first reaction was to slam shut international frontiers and generalise all statistics to the national level.)

254461 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 30, #68 of 1705 🔗

Conspiracy theorising is unhelpful to our cause because it encourages our enemies to dismiss us as ‘deniers’ and nutters.

254463 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to annie, 51, #69 of 1705 🔗

It can hardly be classed as theorising if the evidence that it’s actually happening is in plain sight.

A vaccine QR code required to access football, stadiums, etc, would have been classed as a conspiracy theory. Except it isn’t a theory.

Our enemies already dismiss us as deniers and nutters; do you have any evidence that we are being taken seriously right now? The cloaking ourselves in the “it’s just a massive cock-up/bumbling incompetence” ideology hasn’t, and doesn’t, give our lockdown scepticism any credence either, and ignores the bigger, longterm implications for our freedoms.

254481 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mark H, 21, #70 of 1705 🔗

I definitely believe there are more convergent interests at play than we can shake a stick at and I think it is patently obvious that green and technocratic agendas (and even those of the WEF) are being driven forward at alarming rates under cover of covid.

For me it is a question of what the terms of engagement can be as we fight back. There is a very slim chance that sticking with debunking the useless and devastating measures that blight our lives could shift things eventually. I see no possibility at all that Bozo or any othe world leader is going to throw their hands up, shout “you got me!” and admit that they are puppets of Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab intent on relieving us of all personal property, followed by a contrite apology and an immediate resumption of life as we once knew it. So even if that were true (which is not my belief) what is the benefit of detracting attention from the immutable truth – that the imposed cure is far worse than the claimed disease and the data justifying it is a morass of junk and lies?

254599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #71 of 1705 🔗

Not my belief either. I’m finding it difficult to understand the alleged strategy. The largest corporations depend on consumerism. Enslaving or depowering people through enforced lockdown or wage decrease makes no sense. It is also in direct opposition to what Schwab says in “Covid 19: The Great Reset.” There, he predicts INCREASES in wages and an end to the “gig economy.” Not adding up…

I suspect somebody is pulling our collective leg.

254645 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #72 of 1705 🔗

You don’t have to understand the strategy to realise it’s happening.
The destruction of wages is going to happen anyway.The power of AI has reached a level where instead of destroying manufacturing jobs it will replace many well paid white collar workers.These big corporations are also taking market share from SME who are being forced out of business through lockdowns.Add to the fact they banks and financial institutions can buy the distressed assets very cheaply.
If you think of this as a controlled detonation of the economy then it makes sense.The elites for want of a better word,keep control over something that was due to happen anyway and increase their power into the bargain.
The Jews didn’t understand why the Nazis would kill their workforce but it happened.

254761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -2, #73 of 1705 🔗

The proximate cause of the Holocaust was that continental Europe couldn’t feed itself (in peace time it depended on imports from the Americas, for animal feed at least if not for direct human consumption).

It was also why the Nazis worked millions of non-Jewish Europeans to death on starvation rations: to exploit the scarce calories trapped within their bodies.

254785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to GCarty80, 3, #74 of 1705 🔗

I disagree.No one starved to death in Europe unless it was a deliberate act.The root cause of World War 2 was German ambitions in Russia which predates the Nazi regime.The aim was to create a World Power that would be strong enough to resist America.The Holocaust was a side issue brought about by Hitlers promise that if the Jews brought about another world war then they would be wiped from the face of the earth.Another reason was the Germans viewed them as less than human.The Slavs came under this too but their future was to be a slave caste in the east.Thats why millions of Russian prisoners of war were starved to death in camps in a deliberate act

254865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #75 of 1705 🔗

The Germans suffered malnourishment during World War I as a result of the Royal Navy’s blockade, and the Nazi policy was “we won’t starve in the next war because we’ll starve the rest of Europe instead”.

And yes, the Germans did occupy Ukraine in 1918 but were disappointed by how little food production was left over once the local population was fed, which is why the Germans in WWI sought merely to conquer Eastern Europe but in WWII sought to depopulate it.

254801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #76 of 1705 🔗

Except it isn’t controlled! It makes no sense whatsoever. The corporations with the biggest financial clout are companies such as VW and Coca Cola, utterly reliant on consumers. The other big hitters are oil and gas companies. AND most big hitters are rivals. This makes no sense politically, industrially, or economically. With reluctance, because something is going on, I’m calling this one false.

254876 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #77 of 1705 🔗

Corporations that actually make stuff are less and less powerful:

“‘The tech giants now account for nearly 40 per cent of the value of the Standard and Poor index, a level of concentration unprecedented in modern history.’ The big five ‘FAANG’ tech firms (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix and Google) account for 15 per cent of the market. Apple alone counts for seven per cent of the S&P – its market capitalisation is worth more than the annual GDP of most countries.”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/17/the-new-few/

254898 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Liam, 2, #78 of 1705 🔗

Companies that deal in information (which is protected from competition by intellectual property laws) are able to make far larger profits than those which sell commoditized goods in highly competitive markets.

254960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #79 of 1705 🔗

Nick, I too have wondered what the end game could possibly be by nigh on wiping out a consumer base? I’ve come to the conclusion that they’re merely looking to reduce it to a more manageable (sustainable?) level.

As an aside, VW are worth a mention. My moral compass says the board should be in prison over the whole emissions scandal (I know, other makes of cars are available too). A few quid lighter in the dividends wallet maybe but otherwise unscathed.

Maybe there are already big companies looking to sell less and rent more? Deliveries straight to your door of all the things you no longer own but rent instead? It all sounds a bit far fetched to me too until I look at the path our government has taken and, more worryingly, continues to take.

I don’t know if this WEF nonsense is achievable and wonder at the mere audacity of the suggestion of the cause justifying the means.

One thing I do know is, if you want to hide something from someone, there is nothing more audacious, cunning or brilliant, than putting it right under our noses.

For my children’s future, I’m gagging at the stench under mine.

255110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jez Hewitt, 2, #80 of 1705 🔗

For a start, it’s not the wef that will implement any agenda. They are a thinktank, they seem to work by making predictions on the likely future course. Some of the “stakeholders” have some extremely strange ideas, but they are the individual’s ideas. Any and all implementation will be done by national politicians, and not all will implement the same things.

The “you’ll own nothing and be happy about it” line comes from a Danish politician, and while Schwab believes that the “ostentatious display of wealth will no longer be possible”, nowhere does he say “you’ll own nothing and be happy about it.”

My own view is that if something fits the tropes of a particular method, then that something belongs to that method. If it sounds like a mad theory, looks like a mad theory and smells like a mad theory, then it IS a mad theory.

Things will change once this nonsense is over. No ifs, no buts. But that change will be driven by US, not politicians, not elderly Germans playing dressup, not thinktanks. It won’t even be driven by the WHO or UN, SAGE or any government. But by us.

254656 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #81 of 1705 🔗

Investigate what Maurice Strong is saying. No I don’t think the Chinese want their customer base destroyed, but the Green Agenda has a different origin.

254765 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Rosie, 3, #82 of 1705 🔗

Maurice Strong actually died in 2015, but killing air travel (through border closures) and commuting (through forcing as many people as possible to work from home) certainly fit the green agenda.

254807 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Rosie, 1, #83 of 1705 🔗

Green agenda I get, Rosie, but not that companies, corporations and politicians who like spending taxes will do more than pay it lip service. You know I’m reading Schwabs books and what’s said in those is not tallying with this “they’re out to get us” distraction that keeps popping up ad nauseam.

254870 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #84 of 1705 🔗

The only way I’d see to keep someone loyal to an evil cause that they don’t fully believe in, is through blackmail . Bribery isn’t enough because bribees can always refuse to co-operate (either out of conscience or out of greed).

254930 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GCarty80, 2, #85 of 1705 🔗

Threats should also be considered, GC. Either directly to an individual or to people he/she cares about.

255103 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to JohnB, 1, #86 of 1705 🔗

And such threats can only plausibly come from powerful criminal organizations or authoritarian states.

255124 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to GCarty80, 1, #87 of 1705 🔗

If this was to the occasional world leader here and there, yes I can see that. But against ALL of them? Come off it, it would be game over for the “powerful criminal organizations”. If world leaders are talking to said organisation, then they’re talking to each other.

Putin and Xi Jinping are the only authoritarian states who can possibly have this power. I doubt very much they are threatening ALL other world leaders and getting away with it either.

255137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GCarty80, 1, #88 of 1705 🔗

Yes, if one considers intelligence agencies as powerful and criminal.

254932 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to GCarty80, 4, #89 of 1705 🔗

Yes ,agreed. Basically the Jeffrey Epstein playbook. Entice, entrap, personally compromise, and then control.

255117 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to GCarty80, #90 of 1705 🔗

Yes, but you can blackmail back. It takes more than one to conspire. If the wef is blackmailing world leaders, they only need get together and blow the thing wide open. Game over. It really isn’t difficult. This whole “planned global event” plot/theory is built on very shaky foundations. No strategic reason as explained above, various plans being used the the many different leaders, and too many people on the ground aware of it.

Not looking good from their point of view. It’s nonsense and I’m a little surprised to find it atl if I’m honest.

255180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #91 of 1705 🔗

It appears that Sweden has been blackmailed back.

255742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #92 of 1705 🔗

If they are being successfully blackmailed, then surely, in denouncing the blackmailers they would have to provide proof by revealing the reason for their being blackmailed…..

255544 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nick Rose, #93 of 1705 🔗

DNR

254738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #94 of 1705 🔗

I suspect the WEF is lying. The destruction of the economy is a clean slate for the Great Reset

254813 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, #95 of 1705 🔗

No it isn’t, it’s a clean slate for anarchy. That means the military will win, not the WEF. The whole thing makes NO sense. I’m calling it out as BS. It’s not just the WEF and Greens with an agenda.

254872 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #96 of 1705 🔗

Since there’s no globalist military don’t you mean in practice “the nationalists will win, not the WEF”?

255131 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to GCarty80, -1, #97 of 1705 🔗

Yes, and if you read any of Schwab’s books, he has a horror of “nationalists”. Given he grew up in Germany in the immediate aftermath of WW2, I’m not surprised.

When you have anarchy, those with the biggest and most guns win. For much of the world, that’s the military.

Trashing the world economy for a “reset” is total idiocy.

255226 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #98 of 1705 🔗

The world economy is being trashed every minute, every hour, every day. And we are all responsible.

255558 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #99 of 1705 🔗

If Biden wins we are doomed. If trump wins maybe not.

255746 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #100 of 1705 🔗

I think you’ll find it tends to be the Rothschilds who win.

255200 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #101 of 1705 🔗

Does anyone here know how Herr Schwab accumulated all his billions? His enablers, links, contacts, dirty deals, government handouts with your money, etc.

254871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, #102 of 1705 🔗

Not to get distracted or upset by the fact there are many ‘immutable truths’ ?

255157 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #103 of 1705 🔗

Georgia Guidestones

254527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark H, 8, #104 of 1705 🔗

A vaccine passport to watch a football match hasn’t happened yet. If/ when someone tries to do it let’s see what the courts make of such a decision…

254534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 2, #105 of 1705 🔗

What if the FA decide to do that?
Football grounds are private property and not being vaccinated will not be made a ‘protected characteristic’.

254567 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 5, #106 of 1705 🔗

Only a boycott or being taken to court would prevent them from doing it. I think many of them would be wary especially the backlash that accompanied that report about Ticketmaster. They might have issued a denial but they still have to be wary as many people have already said that they will still boycott them.

254608 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #107 of 1705 🔗

A point was made that if Ticketmaster insist on a vax passort of sorts then they admist liability in the event anybody gets sick at their event. Because what they are saying is “we only let in people who cannot pass on infections”

That’s a very high bar.

255901 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 2, #108 of 1705 🔗

Let’s see what the courts say should such a scenario arise. There is no way my family will be having this vaccine before 2025, at the earliest. Indeed, I don’t think we will be allowed to have it as my daughter has a serious autoimmune condition which went acute after her preschool MMR. If I or my family are denied access to anything I will be looking for a friendly lawyer.

254667 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Will, 11, #109 of 1705 🔗

So far it would appear that the courts are going to be as helpful protecting our liberties as German courts were at protecting the liberties of the Germans in the 1930s.

255741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark H, 2, #110 of 1705 🔗

It can hardly be classed as theorising if the evidence that it’s actually happening is in plain sight.

But not everyone agrees with this interpretation. I don’t and I’m not stupid. I am tired of this sort of arrogance from people like you.

254471 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 13, #111 of 1705 🔗

I feel we have to separate the 2 aspects. Discussions on the global political, power and financial moves on this are perfectly valid. But we then need to think about what we can do on a practical level to change anything on all this.
I have just looked on Twitter and one of my tweets about the need to write to MPs to vote against any further Covid legislation has been liked and re-tweeted by 2 people. Hardly a revolution but from small acorns……

254485 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #112 of 1705 🔗

It’s an interesting point.

However, let’s imagine that suddenly the mass media accurately points to how inaccurate the “positive cases” narrative is. So, the government decides to suspend PCR tests. Slowly we return to normal.

I think that happening is a more outrageous possibility than the government sticking to its guns, rolling out the vaccine, creating immunity apps with QR codes and mandating masks forever than them slowly or quickly backing away from their current course.

254491 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mark H, 5, #113 of 1705 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich covers this issue well.

First he looks at the facts. The facts are that many individuals lied and caused huge harm. So we sue them to recover the losses.

Next, what level of reimbursement, for this the courts look at ‘intent’. What was their intention when they lied? Was it knowingly to cause harm, or was it general incompetence? To find out look at what they have said in various forums, such as in words in Davos or in writing. If they set out with the intention of causing harm then courts award aggravated damages, much higher.

254496 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Rosie, 10, #114 of 1705 🔗

So, we’ll need to see how Simon Dolan’s legal challenge is handled. History shows, though, that the judicial system will bend whatever rules are required to enable the power brokers to do their thing.

254507 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mark H, 7, #115 of 1705 🔗

I know that. It’s why I am telling everyone to get out there and talk to people, one at a time.

254497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 7, #116 of 1705 🔗

The issue of what they intend to do is important for us.
As soon as we take seriously what they say they will do, then we will quit expecting reason and truth to have any impact, we will quit hope, and start to get our fightback properly organised.
Once we know their game plan we can devise a counter strategy.

254500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Rosie, 6, #117 of 1705 🔗

Exactly, rather than throwing our hands in the air, shouting “bumbling incompetence, Boris must go”, and hoping that the system, revealed as corrupt, will somehow listen and change.

254508 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mark H, 16, #118 of 1705 🔗

Precisely. I’m working out a fresh post. We need a campaign plan and then instead of sitting around expecting other people to solve this problem for us, we need to action it ourselves.

Please join me.

255228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rosie, 1, #119 of 1705 🔗

Right on, Rosie!

254540 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, #120 of 1705 🔗

Awards it to whom and it will be from our money anyway ?

254550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, 9, #121 of 1705 🔗

No, Fuellmich intends to bankrupt individuals, starting on the medium level people, and then move onto the bigger boys.

What’s needed is for British lawyers to step up and go after Neil Ferugson and his ilk.
As for award it to whom, anyone who joins in the class action. This is a legal mechanism in Canada and USA and anyone who wants can add in their claim, including people here such as Arnie who can easily show that his business was destroyed because of lockdown

254749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, 4, #122 of 1705 🔗

Thank you, that sounds much more interesting. Pity bozo hasn’t got a penny to his name.

254769 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, 10, #123 of 1705 🔗

No, but witless and unbalanced have.
It seems to me to be the most important route to victory, even though the obstacles are huge – and Reiner isn’t stopping there. He’s intending to carry on and defeat the climate change scam as well. We’ll be no further forward if we can’t demolish that one as well.

Starter listening Reiner Fuellmich:

https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20 from about a month ago with Swedish interviewer.

https://youtu.be/XQYzb5_kax8 from 10 days ago, Dutch interviewer

Knowing about this happening gives me the strength and determination to continue to fight the good fight

254655 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to annie, 4, #124 of 1705 🔗

They may well throw such labels at you anyway even if we all studiously avoided anything that might be construed as a conspiracy theory.

Theorising is actually an essential part of investigating. We should be open to consider every theory that tries to explain what is happening and evaluate it against the evidence available. If we limit our thinking based on what labels some crazy and evil people might try and apply to us that’s not going to help either.

255986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #125 of 1705 🔗

Maybe, and certainly debate should be encouraged. But zombies will buy the official line – that we are nutters – unless we maintain one firm, simple argument: that totalitarian bullying, feeding mass hysteria, is not the best way out of this pseudo-crisis.

254669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to annie, 14, #126 of 1705 🔗

And people spend too much time concerning themselves how we got in to this and not enough time finding ways to get us out. The problem with saying everything is planned is that it saps the will to overcome all this and leaves people feeling helpless. That’s why everyday we have to remove the cloud of doom mongering and pessimism on the site before we can get moving .

255987 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wat tyler, 1, #127 of 1705 🔗

Dead right.

254770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to annie, 2, #128 of 1705 🔗

I have the same problem when forwarding posts from Ickes site some of which are very informative and yes, inspiring.

254861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to David Grimbleby, 4, #129 of 1705 🔗

Anything D Icke says is like krytonite to normies. It’s causes instant mental shut-down.

254939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 2, #130 of 1705 🔗

Like the benefits of masks ? Like a totalitarian police state ?

They shut down mentally when the weather looks a bit iffy.

254868 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 1, #131 of 1705 🔗

That’s a step up from ‘cattle’, though, surely Annie ?

255989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, #132 of 1705 🔗

Meuh.

255500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, #133 of 1705 🔗

Have you considered that those you deem to be unhelpful to your ’cause’ do not think of themselves as following any cause and are simply exercising their right to free speech as individuals?

255627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, #134 of 1705 🔗

Would you like them to desist from expressing their opinions?

255748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #135 of 1705 🔗

Unfortunately they won’t stop doing it though.

To be honest I sometimes wonder if some of them are being paid to do it.

The intention being to give the site a bad name.

If that’s the case then they will never stop it no matter what you say to them.

255801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to annie, #136 of 1705 🔗

Wow. A bit of self awareness seeping through at last!

254538 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 31, #137 of 1705 🔗

For the umpteenth time , this is not a conspiracy – it’s an agenda.

Groups of powerful and influential people do meet and develop schemes, that isn’t conspiracy it’s fact.

We are happy to believe that the political tussling going on at number 10 is small factions getting together for their own ends and yet wilfully refuse to see that the same “conspiratorial” mechanisms are at play elsewhere.

Didn’t 1984 describe describe this as “double think” ?

254674 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bill Grates, 17, #138 of 1705 🔗

Agenda 21/30 The WEF,Bill Gates are all quite open in their aims.
The government are coming into the open with policies that complement and support these aims.
These groups and leaders across the world are telling us that coronavirus is the window of opportunity to implement these aims and people still feel afraid of the slur conspiracy theorist.It is being used as the slur racist was used,in stopping debate and opposition.

254959 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 10, #139 of 1705 🔗

It’s the “revelation of the method”. It is all there to be seen and yet the bewildered herd mill around waiting for direction from a wilfully duplicitous govt.

The herd doesn’t think but acts as a mass. The people in charge are using these well know and simple psychological methodologies to create the illusion of mass acceptability of their dictats . For free thinkers and non-herd people it’s absolutely sickening.

255508 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #140 of 1705 🔗

Good name Bill.

254641 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #141 of 1705 🔗

The reality is there never was a crisis to exploit. Had certain individuals, institutions and the media not created such hysteria this virus would barely have been noticed.

254834 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #142 of 1705 🔗

Your analysis is right. For want of better terminology, I reckon that ‘convergent opportunism’ provides the most accurate description.

I don’t class the role of global capital as a ‘conspiracy’ – it’s what big money does if unchecked. The power of Tobacco has never been a ‘conspiracy’ – it’s simply, up-front, making money out of a drug; essentially a licensed drug cartel.

So – never underestimate the force of ‘follow the money’ as an analytical tool in politics. The latest analysis has shown the network of links regarding PPE – and you’d have to be a new born not to see the financial network behind the frantic efforts to validate an under-tested vaccine, where we now have the establishment trying to class counter-information as ‘terrorism’. (It’s like having a shoal of piranhas keeping you ‘safe’).

Then there’s the related impulse of power and influence – the oldest flattering aphrodisiac as a further enhancement of the ‘Cui bono?’ question.

I’ll stick at that sort of analysis rather than get wrapped up in the convolutions of trying to relate every hobby-horse to a master-mind plot – which, as you say, is just counter-productive and diffuses the focus of attack, which should be on the observable facts.

Let’s face it – we have a big enough task getting the bleedin’ obvious over to people.

255101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 6, #143 of 1705 🔗

Even using a term like ‘cui bono’ is enough to get you branded as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ by some zealots!

https://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2020/09/coronavirus-and-conspiracy-theories-an-essential-read-for-rebutting-social-media-madness/ (there are lots of these!)

In an otherwise interesting discussion, I am disappointed to see posters on here who have hitherto shown themselves to be intelligent and thinking people, now actually using the term ‘conspiracy theorist’ apparently to keep other LSs in line with the ‘cock-up’ theory. What – for fear of ‘frightening the horses’? Surely we can do better than that!

‘Conspiracy theorist’ along with all the ‘anti’ and ‘denier’ insults are potent terms which are being used as weapons to shut down debate. Let’s, please, use them with discretion and caution among ourselves, whatever you believe is behind what is going on.

In terms of talking to ‘normies’ – and let’s beware of seeming arrogant here – it may surprise some people to learn that I have been told by ‘ordinary’ people, even some frightened ones wearing masks , that there is an agenda behind all this so it’s not as clear-cut as we might expect.

Labels are dangerous. Let people call me a ‘conspiracy theorist’ if they want – I’ve survived worse! AG and have rebranded our house Conspiracy Central. MW

255148 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 1, #144 of 1705 🔗

Spot on, with you 100% Rick.

254867 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #145 of 1705 🔗

You may not know what is going on, NN. Fair enough.

To dismiss all those who are pretty clear there’s a coup taken place, and that the ‘great’ reset is the goal, is a tad adolescent.

255158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, #146 of 1705 🔗

Which “coup” is this? The Carrie Symonds coup? The UN coup? The WHO coup? The WEF coup? Bill Gates coup? Pharma coup? SAGE coup? It’s getting increasingly difficult to work out who has couped whom here.

Even better, it’s a “coup” that leaves everybody already in place still in place? Marvellous. The first revolutionary coup in history that leaves l’ancien regime alone. Hmm.

255539 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #147 of 1705 🔗

Which “coup” is this? The Carrie Symonds coup? The UN coup? The WHO coup? The WEF coup? Bill Gates coup? Pharma coup? SAGE coup? …

All seem to be players, yep. Not sure the name is important.

Even better, it’s a “coup” that leaves everybody already in place still in place? Marvellous.

No change of personnel, no.

I’m guessing you’re not a fan of the ‘recruited in advance via black masses’ school of thought ? 🙂

The first revolutionary coup in history that leaves l’ancien regime alone. Hmm.

You’ll need to explain why you see it as revolutionary. It’s pretty clearly from the ‘top’ down, against we the people.

254907 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #148 of 1705 🔗

Fascism 101: politicians and civil servants team up with the oligarchs and go on to spend recklessly on completely idiotic and unproductive stuff to keep the masses from rebelling.

255154 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #149 of 1705 🔗

“Conspiracy theorist “ is a term coined by Allen Dulles CIA the director in the 1960’s to undermine those who questioned the verdict of the Warren Commission on the murder of President Kennedy.

Check out UKColumn, Common Purpose “Charity”, Agenda 21, Klaus Schwab …

255222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #150 of 1705 🔗

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=WORLD+BANK+200+BILLION&ia=web
Probably explains why Sweden has done an about face. First they bring you to your knees economically, then they offer you a solution: total surrender. How sweet.

255815 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to richard riewer, 1, #151 of 1705 🔗

That will be 500 BILLION of little people’s taxes

254546 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Mark H, 29, #152 of 1705 🔗

Because – true or not – the general public is entirely turned off by anything that looks like a conspiracy theory and we need the general public onside to win this thing.

Even if I was 100% convinced it was all true, I’d still never mention it when trying to convince Joe Public to turn against lockdown because a) they will think I’m bonkers and b) they don’t care anyway, even if its true.

We are in a propaganda war – like it or not – and currently we are Polish Hussars against Hitler’s tanks, so it’s hard enough anyway.

It is far, far, better to be persuasive than to be right. I don’t care, at the moment, whether it is a conspiracy or incompetence – I just want it to stop and so will push the line that is most likely to win.

255236 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to jakehadlee, 4, #153 of 1705 🔗

I agree. Sod the means if we can get the end we want before we all go mad. my end is “normal”. Not the “new normal” which is a lie, but proper normal.

254590 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 15, #154 of 1705 🔗

I think the story that 5g caused coronavirus was put out to discredit opposition to it.The reason it is so important is that it makes the control grid possible and brings to life the internet of things.

254651 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #155 of 1705 🔗

Yes, that’s right. What the protesters were saying is that 5G disturbs the natural nature of the atmosphere and which irritates the airways which makes the virus more potent. It’s entirely plausible, but was deliberately twisted to make them sound foolish.

254657 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 5, #156 of 1705 🔗

David Icke was allowed to spout all sorts of things.The moment he mentioned 5G in Connection with Covid he was gone from You tube.

254662 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #157 of 1705 🔗

Ah, I don’t track this aspect, but that’s interesting. The psyops and manipulation of public opinion. They know exactly what they are doing, I can see that much.

254676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 6, #158 of 1705 🔗

UK Column have been very good on this.How the behavioural Insights team have been plotting policy.

254773 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #159 of 1705 🔗

I’m aware that they are but aren’t following them directly, there aren’t enough hours in the day. I’ve taken to relying on comments from people such as yourself

254817 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, #160 of 1705 🔗

delete

254969 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #161 of 1705 🔗

Behavioural Insights is all over most of the policy agenda of recent years , it’s their job to make the sustainability goals palatable to the masses.
Another outfit to keep an eye on is Deep Mind – also part of the SAGE group .
It’s all about making us accept the virtual prison they are constructing for us.

254880 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, 6, #162 of 1705 🔗

“It’s entirely plausible

Hardly, Rosie. I can remember the same sort of stuff about 2G ‘phone masts rotting the brain – often propounded by protestors who spent half their lives with a mobile ‘phone glued to their ear, right next to the brain. They could never see the disconnect.

The case against the Covid-19 myths needs to be solidly based in data and scientific analysis. Everything else is a distraction.

254948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 4, #163 of 1705 🔗

Well said Rick; I fully agree and wish the wilder assertions could be put into perspective.

It will be hard enough to counter the establishment’s virtual covid-coup as it is.

254951 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, 3, #164 of 1705 🔗

One person’s ‘wilder assertions’ are another persons’s ‘everyone knows that’.

What is virtual about the coup, exactly ?

254989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JohnB, 3, #165 of 1705 🔗

Virtual in the sense that it hasn’t yet reached its end stage.

255173 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, 1, #166 of 1705 🔗

Wouldn’t that be ‘ongoing ‘ ? Virtual suggests it has had no real-world impact.

255191 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JohnB, #167 of 1705 🔗

Developing then.

255541 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, #168 of 1705 🔗

Cool. 🙂

254949 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 2, #169 of 1705 🔗

Think I’ve requested a refutation of 60Ghz radiation interfering with oxygen uptake by haemoglobin before, Rick. Any advance ?

254631 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to karenovirus, 3, #170 of 1705 🔗

re 5G the networks have paid billions for the spectrum licenses and need to deploy asap in order to get return on their investment. I think there may be some nervousness in the markets reflected in share price that the investment will not make the anticipated return, but it’s a long term game i guess.

254706 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sue, 3, #171 of 1705 🔗

The auction for the very high frequency bands 24Ghz+ still has not been done has it?
Currently the 5G systems are still using the sub 3.4Ghz band.

This isn’t the new “scary” radio waves YET. 5G is more like “line bonding”, like the old ISDN technology where two separate telephone lines were “bonded” together. With a mobile phone, more data channels can be used between the transmitter and the phone for data transmission.

254774 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Two-Six, 4, #172 of 1705 🔗

Ta for the info.That’s a massive change. in frequency. All I’ve been aware of is that the occasional serious-sounding health warning that made its way onto the Daily Telegraph in recent years disappeared immediately. That’s plenty in itself to raise suspicions.

254869 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Rosie, #173 of 1705 🔗

I try not to use mine and I never hold it next to my head when I make a call. In my opinion using a phone next to your head WILL cause brain ,face, neck, ear,or oral cancer

254779 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Two-Six, 4, #174 of 1705 🔗

5G’s increased speeds allow for machines to interact with each other, which for some reason excites governments. I’m on the fence about health issues. Nothing would surprise me. I don’t believe it’s part of the Corona Scandal

254956 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, 2, #175 of 1705 🔗

It excites Schwab too – he is a big fan of transhumanism.

254993 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Ben, 4, #176 of 1705 🔗

The 5g thing is to construct a surveillance blanket particularly in urban areas. The first use will be the “enhanced” track&trace bs .
Soon after the implanted tech and nano particles will be relaying personal data without interruption. Or so they hope .

It was a pity the anti lockdown movement couldn’t get serious politicos/big personalities to front up . Relying on Icke and Corben was unfortunate because it allowed the movement to be ridiculed as nutters from the start . That NO serious Conserv politicians would speak out , and essentially still don’t is absolutely scandalous and exposes the deep seated corruption of the state.
Its a sorry job when only one senior judge, Sumption, is prepared to stand up .

You need to get/make a Faraday bag for the phone.

254858 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 3, #177 of 1705 🔗

I’m still wary of people thinking I’m a nutter, Karen. It’s not a sensible response to people who maybe just heard about CCP Social Credit a tad earlier.

Pleased to hear you’re less likely to do so anymore though. 🙂

254449 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 25, #178 of 1705 🔗

Is there no way out of this other than mass protests and mass rebellion? Surely, they can’t throw everyone in prison.

254457 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 21, #179 of 1705 🔗

I don’t know how these things work in practice, but it seems to me that what needs to happen is that a substantial proportion of serving police officers need to stop obeying their stupid orders. In other words, yes, shit needs to hit the fan.

254467 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #180 of 1705 🔗

Compliance is trained into 21st Century policing.

254482 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 9, #181 of 1705 🔗

They have certainly been trained how to gang wrestle women and elderly men to the ground.
There was a video posted here late 2 days ago when they dared not do that when harassing two muscled up young Veterans in London recently.

254699 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #182 of 1705 🔗

Of course mass protest and rebellion would end this. The thing is, how do you get the masses to protest?

Those who have power have it because they have the ability to conjure popular support (or submission). We the masses don’t have that ability and are unable to organise ourselves into a big enough mass protest. At least, so far.

254821 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #183 of 1705 🔗

delete

254451 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 38, #184 of 1705 🔗

Masked madness: 2 days ago, I passed a woman walking slowly and unsteadily with the aid of two sticks.

She was obviously struggling to maintain her balance on the pavement; however, a mask which reached to just below her eyes was adding to her difficulties.

This in the open air. If or when seasonal frost and black ice appear, the number of accidents will doubtless increase, if the gullible persist in gagging themselves in this way.

254493 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to wendyk, 8, #185 of 1705 🔗

Did you speak to her?
We need to overcome normal reticence and speak out

254504 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Rosie, 4, #186 of 1705 🔗

No Rosie, I attempted a smile, but she refused to look my way.

She looked so disgruntled and unsteady that I feared that I might cause a loss of balance.

Cowardly perhaps but she really was in a pickle.

254522 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to wendyk, 14, #187 of 1705 🔗

Hmmm, practice makes perfect. I just go for it and say – you can take that thing off then you can breath properly. Even if they don’t, you are feeding them counter-propaganda, and if other people are around they can overhear.

255829 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rosie, 1, #188 of 1705 🔗

A poster here the other day said it took just a few breaths to bring his oxygen level back to normal after wearing a mask on a visIt to hospital.

254518 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Rosie, 29, #189 of 1705 🔗

To put this context Rosie: since this began,I’ve made one convert-I gave a young bare faced man waiting in our local chemist an exemption badge;

I’ve recommended lanyards to library assistants and a couple of people waiting in the Post Office queue; all refused;

asked a neighbour to remove her mask while speaking to me;

seen off a decidedly officious bloke who told me that I was breeching the 2 metre rule-he backed down when I engaged him in conversation;

challenged a friend who insisted that all folk claiming exemption should have letters from GPs;not going to happen;

worn my lanyard at dental surgery, GP surgery and opticians;

Since I’m more or less the only rebel in these parts, there’s a limit to what I can do.

254520 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to wendyk, 4, #190 of 1705 🔗

I know it’s hard, and I think the place to start is to find a few local friends. Ask around more here and where you are, and ask.

Then get a box of leaflets printed up. They really do make a huge difference.

And always look for opportunities.

254533 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to wendyk, 19, #191 of 1705 🔗

I’ve never had to wear a lanyard. AFAIK you don’t need one, I just say I’m exempt. It’s a personal thing, but to me wearing a lanyard is as bad as wearing a mask – still being told to wear something to be allowed to live

254563 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to jakehadlee, 18, #192 of 1705 🔗

I don’t agree ; up here the adherence is so slavish that I find it more effective to wear it.

I chose to do this without any pressure and I also feel that because so many of the unfortunates who have to abide by these stupid rules are, in the main, in insecure,poorly paid jobs, that I don’t want to antagonise them.

Finally, I still seem to be in a minority of one and there is a lot of resentment here,as I’ve written previously, directed towards bare faced folk who don’t wear lanyards.

Circumstances differ obviously, but I’ve got to negotiate daily life in this very small town where Sturgeon’s rules go unchallenged.

Many people are quietly angry and fed up, bout they won’t speak out,worried as they are about losing their jobs.

255832 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #193 of 1705 🔗

I’m the same. Just shake my head and smile when challenged.

254653 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to wendyk, 1, #194 of 1705 🔗

What is your experience in dental surgeries? Finally got an appointment at my dentist (private) for next month, not sure whether to put a mask on and be good or use my lanyard as normal.

254680 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to davews, 7, #195 of 1705 🔗

Good actually; I’ve had 2 appointments-first one paid for as NHS still not functional-and second on normal NHS terms small charge.

Wear your lanyard; most dentists are sick and tired of the New Normal, since it’s decimated practice incomes, generated lengthy waiting lists and incurred significant additional expenses.

I should think private practices would be more accommodating in any case.

254766 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to davews, 5, #196 of 1705 🔗

I went to a private dentist around 3 weeks ago after I’d cracked a tooth and part of the filling had come out. NHS dentist wasn’t interested in seeing me and said they were only doing extractions anyway. Had no wish to loose an otherwise fairly healthy tooth. Got the appointment with the private dentist on the same day. Had to fill in a general health questionnaire and a few basic questions about not having Covid 19 symptoms. No test needed thankfully. Asked to wear a mask in the waiting room but said I was exempt and no further questions asked. Dentist seemed a bit of a lockdown sceptic. Tooth repaired and other work done at the same time. Really good job done but cost a lot. Worth it though not to have an unnecessary extraction and luckily I’m not a big spender so had the money available.

254819 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to davews, 2, #197 of 1705 🔗

I went to my private dentist for a routine checkup on Tuesday. For some reason I was asked to leave my coat and bag in a plastic box in reception. Didn’t wear a mask or my lanyard (that was in my coat pocket stuck in the box) but wasn’t asked about it whilst sat in reception or when I went through to the see the dentist. Bizarrely though, when I got up to leave, the dental nurse offered me a mask for my (very short) walk back to reception! I just said I was exempt and that was it.

254836 ▶▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to davews, 2, #198 of 1705 🔗

I’ve had two appointments this week. Temperature taken, but nothing else insisted on and no mask worn nor offered nor mentioned at all. The same as many businesses, they will have to jump through hoops in order to be ‘allowed’ to practice: so all manner of screens, leaving your coat here, and one patient out, clean down the place, another patient in sort of thing. NHS dentists round here still doing nothing other than ‘triaging’ which in practice I think means handing out painkillers and/or antibiotics and sending you to a town ten miles away to have teeth pulled.

I think, in these instances, courtesy is the way forward. I was prepared to put on a mask as I wanted to get my teeth done, though I wasn’t asked to as it turned out. I suggest a non-confrontational telephone call to ask about their procedures.

Incidentally, they are unhappy about not being in the front line for ‘the vaccine’ as NHS dentists are, even though those NHS dentists aren’t even dealing with patients.

255046 ▶▶▶▶▶ Merlin, replying to davews, 2, #199 of 1705 🔗

2 trips this far. They never ask took my temp and offered hand sanitizer. Given that they will be staring in my open maw guess they didn’t care. Had did have and interesting conversation with them and occupational health assessments for mask wearing. The dentist is based inside a Sainsbury’s and the question came up with whether super markets etc have done an oha for making their staff wear masks all day…..I bet not.

254743 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to wendyk, 13, #200 of 1705 🔗

I too am having difficulty in persuading people to ditch the mask. When I suggest that they exempt themselves the general response is, “But I have nothing to be exempt for”. To which I reply, “Everyone and anyone can exempt themselves for any reason or no reason at all, it’s all clearly published on the gov.uk website”.

When I push the point the broad response is, “I wear one because I’ve been told I must wear one”. This really suggests to me an unquestioning acceptance of the dogma and zero interest on their part in finding out more.

All of this just backs up my own personal observations both pre-mask and the current situation on peoples attitudes to personal hygiene, infection control and how they wear and carry their masks.

There really is no hope with people sometimes.

254771 ▶▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 9, #201 of 1705 🔗

Everyone and anyone can exempt themselves for any reason or no reason at all

The report from the reader visiting A&E (above), and the dramatic measured effect on blood oxygen levels, is ample proof that anyone could use the “Risk of Harm” get out clause in the regulations.

255697 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #202 of 1705 🔗

Remind them that people with respiratory problems are given OXYGEN to helpthem. The stuff that’s out there in the fresh air, that anyone can breath – so long as they ditch the filthy bit of contaminated Chinese paper/plastic.

254547 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, 18, #203 of 1705 🔗

I spoke to an elderly woman sitting on a low wall outside Tesco clearly in distress.
” I got to wear it I got breathing difficulties”
I replied that is precisely why you are exempt.
“I had double pneumonia”

Gave up at that point.

254569 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #204 of 1705 🔗

You can but try ….

255120 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to karenovirus, 4, #205 of 1705 🔗

I posted on here 2 days ago a similar experience with an old lady in Morrisons. We got her a lanyard but I bet she perseveres with the mask ‘because she’s been told to’. Very depressing! MW

255377 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 1, #206 of 1705 🔗

I heard that from a person as well, she was hospitalised after a respiratory infection last year, so she is wearing a FC “to protect her from breathing anything in”.

254635 ▶▶ Ben, replying to wendyk, 18, #207 of 1705 🔗

I have to say it, because it’s causing so much distress – but the rules that compel people to wear face masks, even healthy people, are truly sinister and evil

I suspect the paper trail to the originators of these rules leads back to some clever psychopaths who understand exactly the insidious psychological harm (and physiological harm) that masks do

I’ve seen commentary that warns against prolonged wearing of face masks for children as it may harm their brain development, and a video on YouTube of an American woman whose son collapsed at school after wearing a face mask. She plans to sue the school

I notice how politicians are exempt from wearing them in Parliament

It’s a valid question that we’re allowed to ask.. Are they safe?

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1324290670564122624?s=20

254675 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 19, #208 of 1705 🔗

Agree. It reeks of Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy – why are healthy people being forced to act as if they’re sick?

And what’s sinister is how many people have brought into this.

254803 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #209 of 1705 🔗

Because it isn’t expensive or difficult to do but exhibits slavish loyalty to the new normal with mild discomfort as a sacrifice*
Very clever indeed.

* sacrifice. See Jordan Peterson

255089 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #210 of 1705 🔗

Exactly and they’re convinced that they’re doing good and for others its an opportunity to virtue signal.

255252 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #211 of 1705 🔗

Think North Korean brainwashing . Think of the incessant repetition of the slogans “Stay alert” “Save the NHS” on and on , on TV, radio and in the papers. I’m not sick – but I AM sick of the state that the majority seem to be happy to be in. Shows that if you tell a lie often enough eventually it will be believed.

254688 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ben, 6, #212 of 1705 🔗

Quite agree; I’ve just visited local supermarket, everyone gagged bar me and the till operators ,who work behind perspex screens.

They all look like zombies-blank stares, expressions impossible to read,with a few exceptions who do try and smile.

Nearly all the drivers here are now gagged as well.

255242 ▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to wendyk, 3, #213 of 1705 🔗

Everyone gagged bar me and the till operators, who work behind perspex screens

Just got back from Sainsbury’s, and two of them were wearing masks as well!

255249 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Ben, 2, #214 of 1705 🔗

No, of course they’re not safe. Think what you’re breathing in = all that stale air and germs. I’m trying to get people to email MPs who are against lockdown to bolster them and to Johnson, and Hancock to hassle them, together with Vallance and Whitty. Emails don’t cost, so I’ve been using them. Tell them masks are not safe. Tell them of the Danish report. If thousands of us did it, maybe their cloth ears would open. They don’t want to lose votes, after all..

254712 ▶▶ stewart, replying to wendyk, 9, #215 of 1705 🔗

Sorry, I just have no sympathy for anyone who wears a mask without compulsion.
The lady is free to do what she likes and take the risks she choses. If her calculation is that she is at greater risk from catching coronavirus out on the street than from slipping and falling as a result of impaired vision or less brain oxygen, well that’s completely her choice.

254782 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stewart, 4, #216 of 1705 🔗

I’m inclined to agree with you; one cannot save people from their own daft decisions and one cannot take responsibility for all.

However, as you will note from previous comments, I have at least tried to penetrate the compliance carapace, without much success.

I honestly don’t know what the likely outcome of all this will be.

254789 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to stewart, 5, #217 of 1705 🔗

Sorry, I just have no sympathy for anyone who wears a mask without compulsion

After months of avoiding shops wherever possible I have finally started going to the local Sainsbury’s, wearing an exemption lanyard. So far no problems, although I don’t look at people if I can avoid it. Yesterday I made a 30 mile round trip to a couple of hardware & engineering suppliers get some workshop items (got to keep busy during lockdown!). The first place had the usual “Masks Required” notice, but a further one saying “If you have an exemption we will serve you at the door”. That’s pretty worrying – more physiological blackmail, and the second shop had a “Masks Compulsory” sign, but with no mention of exemptions. In each case I was only there for 5 minutes, so I put one on, but noted that the staff took theirs off as soon as they moved outside from one building to the next.

254810 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to microdave, 3, #218 of 1705 🔗

I posted a photo yesterday of a sign saying to pay at the window if not wearing a mask. This was at s supermarket petrol station
I ignored it and so did the staff.

255130 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to karenovirus, 3, #219 of 1705 🔗

I always ignore those rude ‘NO MASK NO ENTRY’ signs and I no longer wear an exemption badge. No problem so far. (I did encounter a woman haz-matted up at the door of a hardware shop on Tuesday who clearly had no idea what the word ‘exempt’ meant but her colleague waved me in with a smile!) MW

255403 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to microdave, 4, #220 of 1705 🔗

Walking through town today it was really depressing all the shops notices basically saying masks are compulsory. I spoke to a librarian if they could change their sign, and she was understanding. I just find these signs intimidating, and I believe myself to be a confident person. How does someone feel who already has social anxiety?

254806 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to wendyk, 3, #221 of 1705 🔗

though taken off the £10 note, the genius of Darwin is conformed almost daily.

254808 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to TyRade, 2, #222 of 1705 🔗

Too true! What would he make of all this? And TH Huxley?

255243 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to wendyk, 2, #223 of 1705 🔗

Why,oh,why, is anyone wearing an unhealthy mask outside in the open air? It’s the equivalent of “mission creep” – one day, in the bus, next day everywhere. They don’t help, so it’s just another sign of totalitarian state control. My husband expects me to wear one, so I do – saves even more arguments – but, left to myself, I’d make a bonfire of the buggers.

256117 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anne Passman, #224 of 1705 🔗

Mr Passman might be open to a charge of ‘coersive control’.

254453 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 37, #225 of 1705 🔗

I am sickened by Mayor de Blasio shutting the New York public school system due to an increase in test positivity to 3.0%.

Has he not read the New York Times (29/8) – around 90% of these test results are false positives.

Another article in the NYT estimated 2.8 life days per head of population had been lost to COVID in the whole period of the virus (or as they put it 2.5 million life years for 330 million people), before adjusting for false positives.

The rise in poverty will cause 100’s of times more loss of life years (see the Marmot review ten years on). That’s before the increase in cancer deaths, heart disease, suicide etc etc. Not to mention unemployment, wrecked childhoods and mental health issues. Or for that matter 100s of millions thrown into starvation in the LEDCs.

We have built up huge immunity in large population centres like for example London, NY state and the whole of Sweden, why else do the death rates remain stubbornly low (even before adjusting for the ridiculous effects of false positives) ?

The hysterical reactions of the likes of Hancock, Johnson, Starmer, Whitty, Vallance, Fauci, de Blasio must be stopped.

Life must return to normal with immediate effect.

254458 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Laurence, 9, #226 of 1705 🔗

All objections to their hollow pretexts are simply ignored.
It’s up to the people.

255028 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Laurence, 3, #227 of 1705 🔗

de Blasio is simply an archetypal Dem lockdown zealot, who won’t let evidence get in the way of draconian policies. The monied folk will simply continue to exit the city.
What will NY look like in a year’s time, one wonders?
Needless to say these policies will disproportionately punish the disadvantaged, particularly the minority communities.
His brother is also particularly odious.

255260 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Laurence, 3, #228 of 1705 🔗

I agree. Tell me how. I’ve been asking John Lee, Rocco Forte, Jonathan Sumption, etc since May how to organise a revolt against this North Korean style mess Johnson has got us into, but no one replies. What I’ve been doing is using email for any politician like Johnson, and sending emails tying to bolster the honourable ones who voted against this last lockdown. Then I write to Vallance and Whitty. Hassle them. Gum up their in boxes. We need a mass movement to put so much pressure on the that they’ll get us back to a real normal. It worked for Rashford.

255376 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Anne Passman, 2, #229 of 1705 🔗

I wish I knew how. We have lost nearly a year for no reason. If all these ridiculous restrictions stopped tomorrow it would almost certainly make very little difference.

It sounds like you’re doing good work – and just encourage people to be as normal as possible.

254455 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 12, #230 of 1705 🔗

EDF Energy yesterday announced the closure of its offices in Plymouth because the success of WFH means it has become redundant.
I’ve not been able to find out how many people work for EDF in Plymouth but the main building looks as though it could be a couple of hundred.

All very nice for them but any collective bargaining will whither away and what chance natural wastage will be replaced locally, elsewhere in the UK or overseas ?

254465 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to karenovirus, 3, #231 of 1705 🔗

And a new report, discussed by the BBC, claims that WFH increases racism. It’s a Catch 22; get people working from home because of corona and the climate catastrophe, create more racists.

254477 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 6, #232 of 1705 🔗

Everything increases racism according to the BBC.

254697 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Mark H, 3, #233 of 1705 🔗

Its not catch 22 its just bullshit.

254474 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 23, #234 of 1705 🔗

Working from home is bad news for young people and people looking to change jobs. I remember the first place we lived when i had my first job, you could barely live in the place at all let alone work there, if it had been work from home I could not have done the job. As with everything else in all this hoo-haa nobody seems to be capable of looking beyond the end of their nose.

254476 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #235 of 1705 🔗

I met a chap who ‘had to go back to the office’ because his brother had moved in following a breakup with his partner so he no longer had a spare room to use as his WFH space.

254582 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #236 of 1705 🔗

The first few weeks and months into a new job is always the learning stage, which mostly means learning by doing & copying. How can you do that working from home?

That said I think there is also a small sea change happening. Back in summer, you had people crowing about how great working from home is and how you get to save money. Fast forward to now, you’re getting many people admitting that their physical and mental health is shot due to working from home!

254597 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #237 of 1705 🔗

Very valid point. I often think that I could manage to WFH these days – now I am living on my own with a 2 bedroom house and the smaller bedroom is my study anyway. But – when I was younger I had years of having to live in grotty bedsits barely big enough to live in myself/never mind use as my workplace too. Add the fact that those bedsits were (barely) heated by electric fires (no central heating – albeit it was the 1970s then – so that wasnt as common as now). Obviously, in this day and age, I’m aware there are groups of young people that are strangers to each other living in houseshares and very often the sitting room is also being used as a bedsit for one of them too and so there’s literally nowhere for any of them to WFH (bar taking turns on the kitchen worksurfaces – and then the others wondering how they would prepare their food).

254724 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #238 of 1705 🔗

Aren’t young people supposed to WFH sitting in Starbucks or in a trendy cereal bar?

If they open up these “new” workplaces again. It Fine.

254579 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 7, #239 of 1705 🔗

And what will happen to them when it becomes possible to hire people overseas to do the same job for the fraction of the price?

They’re signing their own death warrant.

254736 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #240 of 1705 🔗

My next door neighbours are Turkish. She works from home, has done since March. He works from home, has done since march. They can work from home anywhere. They went back to Turkey in August to work from home and have just come back, probably to sell their house and work from home in their UK jobs back in Turkey.

What’s not to like for them? They get piles of cash from the house, their UK salaries in Turkey (for now) and will be super rich by in comparison to other Turks.

I am sure they will buy a small castle soon with their own private beach and goat herd.

254646 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to karenovirus, 12, #241 of 1705 🔗

My wife recently completed her MBA thesis asking whether working from home was a good thing or not. In short, it isn’t. Amongst other things, problem solving via teams is a lot less effective and overall productivity drops.

I used to work from home a lot in a past life. The novelty wears off after a while.

254895 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #242 of 1705 🔗

Exactly my experience. I worked from home for a period an a research project. It suited the job and it suited me for a period. It did allow me to take over looking after the children for a while – and that was a plus, and there was a definite plus in the flexibility.

But that was assisted by regular face-to-face meetings that prevented isolation. It was a balanced situation.

After a while, however, the flexibility gave way to a problem in work-time extending and being ill-defined – and by the end of the period, I was happy to go back to a more regular work/home situation.

254456 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #243 of 1705 🔗

Johnson founds UK “Space Command”, starring Steve Carell, John Malkovich and Lisa Kudrow. British rockets will go into space to deploy surveillance and other systems to support the UK military on Earth. Johnson says, “ I’ve taken this decision in the teeth of the pandemic because the defence of the realm must come first.”

Meanwhile, the same review implements cuts to the army, navy and Air Force, halving the number of fighters to be bought and merging regiments. So they’ll know all about threats as they arise, but be unable to do anything about them.

254460 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #244 of 1705 🔗

One consolation for most of our population: they won’t need to worry when the Borg are seen coming, because they’ve turned themselves into drones already.

254523 ▶▶ chaos, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #245 of 1705 🔗

Steve Carrel, wasn’t he in The US version of The Office? Send British rockers into space?

254707 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #246 of 1705 🔗

You would think the way in which successive governments have left the country essentially defenceless whilst simultaneously trying to persuade us that Russia is a threat in every conceivable way on its own would be raising eyebrows as to their actual intentions.

It looks to me like the military is being transformed in a way which will render it useless for anything other then waging war against the British people.

254459 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 14, #247 of 1705 🔗

The next step in the project is mass vaccination. In 2009, in the alleged Swine Flu pandemic whipped up by the WHO, the uptake was only about 10% of the population – my response in BMJ to Heidi Larson of the vaccine confidence project last year:

Fear of the disease is not a reason for confidence in the product… The World Health Organization has nominated “vaccine hesitancy” [1] one of the ten threat to global health in 2019. So perhaps a pertinent question for Heidi Larson [2], director of the Vaccine Confidence Project, is from what body of evidence does she draw her confidence?
As an example Larson wrote last year in the Financial Times:
“In 2009, during the swine flu pandemic of the H1N1 influenza virus, poor public co-operation and low acceptance of the vaccine was a wake-up call. The public might fall for faulty science, but the more worrying trend in 2009 was the lack of civic responsibility and co-operation. Governments should see in this an urgent need for a new social contract.”
But there were many disturbing aspects to this episode and it is far from clear that public scepticism regarding the WHO and its decision making were unjustified [3,4, 5,6,7]. As we know vaccine products were rushed to the market in weeks, and GlaxoSmithKline’s Pandemrix became rapidly associated with the condition of narcolepsy. In the UK only about six million doses were taken up but the situation could have been much worse if the 132 million rounds originally ordered had be taken up [8].
Perhaps ordinary citizens are entitled to know and discuss shortcomings in the science for influenza vaccines or vaccines against HPV virus [9,10,11].
Suppressing public debate will inevitably undermine trust further.
[1] https://www.who.int/emergencies/ten-threats-to-global-health-in-2019
[2] Joanne Silberner, ‘Overcoming vaccine hesitancy: five minutes with . . . Heidi Larson’, BMJ 2019; 364 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.l1259 (Published 18 March 2019)
[3] Deborah Cohen & Philip Carter, ‘WHO and the pandemic flu “conspiracies”’ BMJ 2010; 340 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.c2912 (Published 04 June 2010)
[4] ‘Interview with Epidemiologist Tom Jefferson ‘A Whole Industry Is Waiting For A Pandemic”, Der Spiegel, 21 July 2009, http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-epidemiologist-
[5] Tom Jefferson, The UK turns to Witty, Vallance, and Van Tam for leadership: revolving doors?, 6 December 2017, http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06/tom-jefferson-the-uk-turns-to-witty-
[6] Peter Doshi, ‘Pandemrix vaccine: why was the public not told of early warning signs?’,
BMJ 2018; 362 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k3948 (Published 20 September 2018)
[7] Fiona Godlee, ‘A tale of two vaccines’, BMJ 2018; 363 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k4152 (Published 04 October 2018)
[8] John Stone, ‘Re: A tale of two vaccines – how the British people averted disaster?’, 13 October 2018, https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-17
[9] Jørgensen L, Gøtzsche PC, Jefferson T.’The Cochrane HPV vaccine review was incomplete and ignored important evidence of bias’, BMJ Evid Based Med. 2018 Oct;23(5):165-168. doi: 10.1136/bmjebm-2018-111012. Epub 2018 Jul 27
[10] Nigel Hawkes, ‘Cochrane director’s expulsion results in four board members resigning’, BMJ 2018; 362 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k3945 (Published 17 September 2018)
[11] Lars Jørgensen, Peter Doshi, Peter Gøtzsche, Tom Jefferson, ‘Challenges of independent assessment of potential harms of HPV vaccines’, BMJ 2018; 362 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k3694(Published 24 September 2018)

254503 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to John Stone, 17, #248 of 1705 🔗

This is an example. Take their documents seriously because what they mean what they say.

by comparison, Hitler published in the 1920s what he wanted to do. Few people believed him. So then he gained power, as he said he would do, killed a lot of people, just as he said he would do ……and then people were surprised.

Too bad they dismissed it as ‘conspiracy theory’

254602 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Rosie, 1, #249 of 1705 🔗

Crikey. I didnt know that. Do you have a link to that (in English)?

254639 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Eliza P., 6, #250 of 1705 🔗

They didn’t use the exact term ‘conspiracy theory’
but my older friends in their 70s tell me this, including one who lived in Germany for a long time, and it’s the reason Churchill was excluded from public life for a decade. He kept on warning and warning and warning people, and the military was run down, and it was almost too late by the time people woke up.

My friend knows one family who stayed on for their child’s education, and practically the entire family ended up in the death camps.

254826 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eliza P., 3, #251 of 1705 🔗

Almost every evil thing Hitler did he said he would do in Mein Kampf but you have dig it out from lots of othe nonsense.
He did not have chapter headings.
Euthanize the sickly
Kill the Jews.
Invade Russia.

254823 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to John Stone, 3, #252 of 1705 🔗

Should not the fact that the MHRA has tendered for AI to track quote ‘ The expected high volume of adverse reactions to the vaccination ‘ be enough to dissuade people.. if of course , it was made public..?

254904 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to David Grimbleby, 3, #253 of 1705 🔗

There are, of course, lots of things which are “public” which are somehow prevented from becoming widely known. The MHRA request is unhinged. They propose to license products for which they anticipate generating adverse event data which it is beyond human capacity to process (the agency has btw 1200 employees). It may be mentioned than when the agency was criticised two years ago for failing to detect narcolepsy as a side effect of Pandemrix in 2009 they were quite unapologetic:

https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-11

After this one person without using AI, lawyer Clifford G Miller, dredged through the available data and found 178 possibly related events for the first 67 days – about 3 a day. Perhaps, if they had succeeded in vaccinating the entire population it would have been 30 cases a day. How long does it take one person to spot 30 cases.

https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-23

So, how many events could they possibly be anticipating for the Covid vaccines? And of course, the hard work would not be collating cases but following them up, which could not possibly be done with AI. But, of course, they have little record of following up cases.

254931 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John Stone, 1, #254 of 1705 🔗

If my memory serves me correctly £60m was paid in compensation for vaccine injury (brain damage) for this vaccine. I recall an article in The Times about it

254984 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Ben, 3, #255 of 1705 🔗

Unfortunately, that is incorrect. It was an early estimate of the liability of GSK (although under-written by the British government) based on the number of cases accumulated at approx £1m a head. Unfortunately, access to the courts is controlled by the Legal Aid Agency, which is part of the Department of Justice ie the government. Everyone in the UK must consider that in accepting a vaccine they are doing it entirely at their own risk: the government has it stitched up. The government also sought to avoid making payments to Pandemrix/narcolepsy sufferers under the separate Vaccine Damage Payment scheme using a Catch 22 method of assessment and were hauled over the coals by the Appeal Court in 2017. Subsequently cases in low single figures probably got awards with 90 or so refused or still pending. Maximum payment under the scheme is £120k. But also bear in mind if anyone is injured they are going to become non-persons: the “antivaxxers” who vaccinated.

255136 ▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, 4, #256 of 1705 🔗

Fundamentally, what we have is conspiracy of the British government to defraud the British public. The government has been pumping our money into GAVI since 2011:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4078904/amp/The-fattest-charity-fat-cat-Foreign-aid-boss-MILLIONS-1-5billion-handed-charity-British-taxpayers.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S0LAbObZV0&feature=emb_title

If and when there are harms they will be paid for by the British public through hospital and social care costs, and the damage. In the remote possibility of anyone suing the companies or the government as the result of indemnities the damages will wind up being paid by the British public again. These are in no sense balanced deals or recognise the interest the British public. They are made by the industry on behalf the industry for the industry. When the government were causing immense hardship to the sick and disabled in 2011 they were giving our money to GAVI with David Cameron and Bill Gates presiding. Whatever it is I really don’t think it is philanthropy in any meaningful sense.

255153 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John Stone, 2, #257 of 1705 🔗

I stand corrected. This is the article I remember (linked below)

I’ve seen the Government’s vaccine injury compensation scheme.. So I’m guessing that’s been stopped now

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/victims-of-swine-flu-jab-to-get-pound60m-payout-02ptvlnlzqk

255198 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Ben, 3, #258 of 1705 🔗

No, the Vaccine Damage Payment Act has not officially been stopped but the government claim that vaccines are so safe that it is redundant. Since 1990 the US Vaccine Injury Compensation scheme has paid out on 7,666 cases.

https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf

It is not easy to win against them – you need medical and legal expertise and you need to process the claim in a timely manner which may be hard for a family nursing an injury. Over, the same period the British government have made 91 awards

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/541683/response/1302605/attach/3/FOI%201161672%20attachment%20v2.xls?cookie_passthrough=1

Allowing that the US has roughly 5 times the population that is about 17 times the number of cases receiving recognition. As to myself I am not at all litigious but I would like to have the protection of the law, which has been utterly removed.

255052 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to John Stone, 1, #259 of 1705 🔗

Thanks for the very useful summary.
The HPV vaccine still shows zero sign of reducing cervical cancer in the vaccinated generation, which I believe was its original ‘rationale’. Meanwhile, in all the older unvaccinated age groups, cervical cancer rates continue to fall…

254462 annie, replying to annie, 19, #260 of 1705 🔗

From the Blomberg article:

“New lockdowns have put the euro zone on the verge of another contraction as winter starts.”

Note that it doesn’t say ‘Coronavirus has…”

254484 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 8, #261 of 1705 🔗

My charming community Radio station had a stand in presenter yesterday because as she explained
‘Mike hasn’t been able to get in because of the lockdown’.
Quite refreshing.

254859 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to annie, 3, #262 of 1705 🔗

Baby steps…

254921 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 4, #263 of 1705 🔗

Just thinking about all the Remain voters who demonised Leave voters citing a damaged UK economy. How many of them are endorsing lockdowns?

254464 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 1, #264 of 1705 🔗

If you get a chance see what is currently happening in South Australia

254466 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to HawkAnalyst, 2, #265 of 1705 🔗

Any links/clues?

254784 ▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to Mark H, 1, #266 of 1705 🔗
254841 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to HawkAnalyst, #267 of 1705 🔗

Hmmm ‘circuit breaker’

254498 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to HawkAnalyst, 4, #268 of 1705 🔗

A quick search reveals that, due to 36 new “cases”, South Australia is going into an absolute, complete lockdown.

254578 ▶▶ CGL, replying to HawkAnalyst, 3, #270 of 1705 🔗

You are normally optimistic and encouraging – has this changed?

254781 ▶▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to CGL, 9, #271 of 1705 🔗

I thought we were turning the corner in July – hence I stopped posting online but I did carry on emailing Toby

CCL You are normally optimistic and encouraging – has this changed?

The government won’t reduce the lockdown, I can’t see this changing for a while. I walk past my pub (I don’t drink) but I use to love going for a nice breakfast. I am missing it. I am a strong person, not very sociable but this is even getting to me now.
Every day is the same, groundhog day.

254848 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to HawkAnalyst, 3, #272 of 1705 🔗

Agreed, I don’t miss pubs as such but I do miss having breakfast while out and about.

255020 ▶▶▶▶ GLT, replying to HawkAnalyst, 6, #273 of 1705 🔗

You are not alone. I think a lot of us who were on here from the beginning probably thought we were turning a corner in the summer. The fact that not one bit of scientific evidence makes a difference is genuinely depressing in the true sense of that word.

254468 Cheshire Andy, replying to Cheshire Andy, 5, #274 of 1705 🔗

Interesting section on China, my girlfriend recently returned home there and after the two weeks quarantine she observed pretty much the same after leaving Shanghai (where face masks on public transport and the use of the health passport app are required and is consistent with the COVID-19 comes only from abroad message), i.e. back to normal. For those of you that think that back to normal in China is something to be feared, the way China is portrayed in the media here is more lies/propoganda. Having been there many times over the last 4 years, and having travelled extensively within the PRC, I liken it to 1960’s Britain (the swinging 60’s that is), life for most is very good and getting better. Could it be, referencing the Off-Guardian post yesterday………SARS-COV2 is a fiction? Personall, that’s been my view all along.

254480 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshire Andy, 4, #275 of 1705 🔗

That differs to what I was told by a former frequent visitor to China with his Chinese wife. It was he who first alerted me to Social Credit there.

254511 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 3, #276 of 1705 🔗

Swinging 60’s without the mods n rockers.. and with cameras.
https://www.youtube.com/user/churchillcustoms

254735 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to karenovirus, 3, #277 of 1705 🔗

It’s real. Small in scope for now but growing. But it is just one element of the total control the government exerts. There are many others.

Electronic money which has now almost entirely replaced cash. They know every single little thing you do.
Cameras are everywhere. Literally everywhere. If the government wanted to track you down, it would take them no. time at all.

Those are the main new ones, to add to the old ones – IDs for everything, police registration when you move to a new city, etc..

254576 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cheshire Andy, 2, #278 of 1705 🔗

Love is blind!

254719 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheshire Andy, 4, #279 of 1705 🔗

What about the China’s social credit system? That looks nightmarish to me

254726 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cheshire Andy, 2, #280 of 1705 🔗

For all intents and purposes, China has blocked out the rest of the world.
Travel into the country is minimal because of the long, draconian quarantine measures.
Chinese people returning get special treatment (shorter quarantine and at home).

This is exactly the way China wants it. Keep foreigners out. Sell goods to anyone who wants them.

They will be just fine with their 1.3billion person internal market and they know it.

254727 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Cheshire Andy, 5, #281 of 1705 🔗

Once the government has totally destroyed this country with its seemingly communist revolution there will become a point after we have been thoroughly impoverished where life appears to be good and getting better for those who obey the rules.

Its interesting how communists always have to save the worker by first impoverishing, terrorising and murdering them.

254767 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #282 of 1705 🔗

This is fascism not communism;because of the unrelenting propaganda that smeared anyone who spoke out on immigration and racial issues as a fascist,we see Fascism as an ideology of the right.In practice it is very close in its outcomes to communism,for the normal person.When you read accounts of ordinary life in Nazi Germany many compared it to Bolshevism.Also fascism in practice involves the of combination of state and private enterprises.In Communist societies the state owns everything.

254864 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #283 of 1705 🔗

I agree that this looks like fascism and I think people that support this are therefore fascists. I think though that ultimately the same dark forces are behind both fascism and communism and it is they who are now fully in control. They will use both systems as it suits them. I fear that once these dark forces are through with their plans that it will then look a lot more like communism. At the end of the day for the victim they are both evil tyranny and the difference barely matters.

255736 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #284 of 1705 🔗

Also fascism in practice involves the of combination of state and private enterprises.In Communist societies the state owns everything

Important to remember that in the end, once law becomes a plaything of a ruler or ruling elite, ownership means almost nothing, control is what matters. That’s one reason why this distinction between state ownership and big business ownership is relatively unimportant in a state where law becomes arbitrary.

It matters relatively little whether an operation is run as a business “owned” by a crony or member of the ruling elite, or as a political fiefdom administered by a crony or member of the ruling elite.

256009 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #285 of 1705 🔗

It’s Stalinism in Wales, with Dungford as a sordid, gibbering, wrinkly mini-Stalin.

254811 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #286 of 1705 🔗

China is State capitalist. Billionaires and suicide nets around factories. If there are any Communists in China they’ve probably been thrown in jail

254882 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ben, 2, #287 of 1705 🔗

If the Chinese Communist Party that rules over china wants to brand their form of tyranny as communist then who am I to argue. Ultimately I just see it as another type of tyrant claiming to save people while actually harming them.

Perhaps they see this as transitory, part of a greater plan. Its certainly working out well for the CCP so far.

Above its stated ‘In Communist societies the state owns everything’. I thought communism was meant to lead to the dissolution of the state so presumably if the state owns everything that cannot be communism either.

254894 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ben, 1, #288 of 1705 🔗

In addition to my other post to put it another way perhaps the communist state can be whatever is necessary to bring about global communism.

256129 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, #289 of 1705 🔗

As Stalin did to the Bolshevik Old Guard.

254469 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 10, #290 of 1705 🔗

Good morning everyone.

I want to know how we can agitate around getting the PCR cycles lowered. As I see it Sage is wedded to this test and it is the cause of the ‘casedemic’. Has anyone got information on what cycles which countries are using? Surely if it was lowered this also might give the government a ‘way down’ from their mess? (Many people have commented that they can’t back down).

254475 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Marialta, 7, #291 of 1705 🔗

I struggle to think of any mechanisms apart from increasing awareness among those we know (if they will listen) and writing to our MPs. As other LSers have posted many times, numerous MPs have asked MH about this issue in writing and in the Commons and there is just no response. Government are completely aware of the concerns and if we are all wrong and it’s a ‘good enough’ system they would have no problem sharing the data and explanation for this. I can only think that introducing a standard for cycles of any sort, especially a lower one, is too risky for them because all those many thousands of tests since March would rightly fall under suspicion.

The case in Portugal is promising and if similar challenges are successful elsewhere, then I hope it might have an impact but the media are utterly disinterested so it won’t reach the consciousness of most people. I’m willing to bet that most of the UK population would still not have even heard of the idea of an FPR or FDR and worse still they don’t want to hear about it.

254478 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #292 of 1705 🔗

Thanks. On a different tack I was going to share the Hodkinson video with compliant family & friends but when I looked at his company it specialises in medical negligence cases in Canada. I’m not sure if citing him actually helps our cause or not.

254483 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Marialta, 2, #293 of 1705 🔗

Marialta, I really like this CEBM article https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/

It stops short of trashing PCR completely, but it highlights most, if not all, of the questions we should be asking. I would ask folks whether, if these questions remain unanswered, should we be trashing human life as we know it based on PCR? It’s a bit long for a casual read, but there are bits that we could highlight….

254502 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Charlie Blue, #294 of 1705 🔗

Thanks CB will take a look.

254829 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #295 of 1705 🔗

Of course it was CEBM who got UK deaths from 46k down to 41k wasn’t it? They could do that again on PCR cycles, and we could look a lot better on worldwide comparisons.

254470 annie, replying to annie, 6, #296 of 1705 🔗

From an article published back in June by a nappy lover:

“With low-cost, low-risk measures like mask-wearing, the obvious thing to do is try them on the basis that they might work — because what have we got to lose?”

The author answers his own question:

“Face masks impede communication. Indeed that is one of the things that makes them effective — given what we know about how loud talking spreads the virus. The easing of lockdown will remobilise the economy, but with masks-for-all how we look and sound to one another will be transformed. Public spaces will fill with people again, but they will be weirdly silent, their smiles (and scowls) hidden away. It will, in its way, be more disconcerting than the deserted streets of deep lockdown — a cityscape of crowds without hubbub, faces without expression.”

And that’s a really, really good thing . Particularly as it makes dissenters really, really easy to spot and eliminate. Nappy wearing will stop the virus, bingo, job done.

https://unherd.com/2020/06/why-heroes-should-wear-masks/?=refinnar

254506 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 5, #297 of 1705 🔗

‘Decapitation impedes being alive. Indeed that is one of the things that makes it effective – given what we know about how breathing spreads the virus. The easing of lockdown will remobilise the economy, but with decapitation-for-all how we look and sound to one another will be transformed. Public spaces will fill with people again, but they will be weirdly mutilated, their smiles (and scowls) destroyed for ever. It will, in its way, be more disconcerting than the deserted streets of deep lockdown – a cityscape of crowds without hubbub, bodies without heads.’

256013 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 1, #298 of 1705 🔗

The Final Solution!

254473 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #299 of 1705 🔗

Another perspective of the C-19 pandemic (rather bizarre many would say)

 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.20232009v1
The total number and mass of SARS-CoV-2 virions in an infected person “We estimate that each infected person carries 10 9-1011 virions during peak infection, with a total mass of about 1 µg-0.1 mg, which curiously implies that all SARS-CoV-2 virions currently in the world have a mass of only 0.1-1 kg”

254486 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to swedenborg, 7, #300 of 1705 🔗

I hear the faint celestial drumming of angels dancing on the head of a pin

254513 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 2, #301 of 1705 🔗

Which helps explain why it blows around in the air in confined spaces so easily.

254633 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to TJN, 3, #302 of 1705 🔗

On 2020-11-06, in Ivor Cummin’s update with Nick Hudson , they talk about the possibility of SARS-CoV-2 having been spread between countries on the trade winds ( 29m58s ).

Viral transmission by wind (in relation to foot and mouth) was mentioned in this article in the Telegraph from 2001-02-22.

255069 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #303 of 1705 🔗

Yes, I remember both IC’s hypothesis and the F&M hypothesis. Which makes trying to prevent a ubiquitous virus spreading is a nonsense.

254479 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 37, #304 of 1705 🔗

Advice as we enter the Tier 4th Dimension:

close your business for the 2nd/3rd/4th time;

file for bankruptcy;

seek urgent advice on debt relief-(none to be had);

file for divorce;

watch your children disappear from home and school and college;

ignore the pains in your chest and the breathlessness;

ignore the strange lump and the bleeding and the pain;

visit this site:
https://clearyourhead.scot/

make the most of house arrest by joining a zoom hobby group-if you can afford it;

turn the heating down and wear more layers-you’ll be helping to stop climate change;

visit the local food bank;

listen to the Dear Leader’s daily broadcasts as she knows what’s best;

when all else has failed and you’re eyeing the pills in the bathroom cabinet, remember, you’re helping to stop the spread and save the NHS;

finally, the FM hopes that Christmas will be a time of celebration and joy-as we continue on our difficult journey to 2021.

254487 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 18, #305 of 1705 🔗

Well said, wendyk.

I really do think if these wretched politicians had to go out into their constituencies – an anathema for them to actually mix with the plebs who pay their wages – to view the devastation they are causing, they wouldn’t be quite so blase with our liberties.

But, as I’ve said before, they lack the courage. They rule from a distance, unaware and totally oblivious to the carnage they are unleashing. Forgive the pun, but a plague on all their houses.

254499 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 9, #306 of 1705 🔗

Exactly, kh: they’re all earning silly money,compared to the rest of the struggling plebs in the private sector: they’ll have no worries about fuel poverty-heat or eat-loss of income, indebtedness, deteriorating physical and mental health, family breakdown.

I cannot get this through to people here; I think the masks and the propaganda are causing cognitive impairment-partly physiological and partly from slavish compliance.

My feeling after many months, is that England will see the most concerted resistance and challenge to the dystopia,while up here the masses continue to abide by the FM’s diktats.

What the likely outcome will be, I cannot imagine.

254512 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 38, #307 of 1705 🔗

I’m finding it hard also to get this point across. I had a right go at some bloke in the shop yesterday who was finding it all a bit of a laugh/lark – “oooh, interesting times, how are you guys finding things?” Quite frankly, at that point, I’d had enough of people arse-aching about what we weren’t selling and how awful the weather was, so I let rip. “Well, what with the devastation of our business and the stripping of my liberties, not that brilliant actually” And then, when he came to pay he literally jumped back about three feet to get away from me, saying “we’ve got to be careful” So, I retorted that “well, I don’t give a toss, but if you want to view me as an agent of plague …” It’s a real uphill struggle.

Anyway, tomorrow, I think I will go for broke with my blackboard protest and put some stats on there that might wake people up

254517 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 24, #308 of 1705 🔗

You, Awkward Git and Rosie are my heroes.

254531 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 9, #309 of 1705 🔗

And loads of others on here who do far more than me.

254544 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to TJN, 2, #310 of 1705 🔗

What hold you back? Too many different possibilities, or what? Can I help you find a role or niche for yourself?

254555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Rosie, 16, #311 of 1705 🔗

Rosie, with respect, laudible though your rallying cries are, you do not know what people’s personal circumstances are. I am sure everyone on here is doing their own bit, in their own way.

I note the other day you posted my business website. I know I mention my business on here but I have been careful not to mention the name. This was deliberate as I am not in any way trying to publicise it and neither do I want any more abuse (of which I have received a lot).

254565 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, 4, #312 of 1705 🔗

Do you know how to delete posts on here? I thought you had been mentioning your business because other people know it.
I’ll go back and delete the entry if someone tells me how.

254580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, #313 of 1705 🔗

Go to the begining of the days responses, man with cogwheel icon below total posts. This takes you to all your previous posts which you can delete individually

254603 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, #314 of 1705 🔗

I’m only getting the option of delete them all
Where are the individual posts please

254648 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, #315 of 1705 🔗

I think ‘delete all’ is just the first time. Try again and each comment should have a dustbin icon alongside.

254682 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to karenovirus, #316 of 1705 🔗

not got that. Only an email that I can delete 100% of all my comments.

254884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, #317 of 1705 🔗

Log out and back in all I can suggest Rosie

254581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Rosie, 5, #318 of 1705 🔗

Thank you. If you click on ‘comments’ there’s a little wheel icon and if you press that, it lists your comments and there’s an option to delete. I just think it may have been a courtesy to ask first before you gave out my details – the friend you suggested call me yesterday rather caught me unawares also.

254570 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 8, #319 of 1705 🔗

Well said kh, and I’ve just made a very similar point in the previous thread.

Most of us are doing what we can, given the constraints of our differing locations, circunstances and personalities.

254668 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 9, #320 of 1705 🔗

Similar thoughts here. I am naturally introvert and hesitant to publicise my sceptical view to all and sundry. Over time I have found a few of my friends where I can have semi sceptical discussions but making my views public with posters in the window and handing same out to random people in the street is not my thing. Strongly support the views on here but try and keep myself semi anonymous (though I suspect some know a little more about me than they would admit…).

255143 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Rosie, 7, #321 of 1705 🔗

Thing is Rosie, there’s practically no material to work with down here in SW Devon. It’s nigh on 100% mask compliance, and if anything seems to be getting worse. Even shops that were lax on it a few weeks ago are tightening down now. And the people just seem to love it. As I’m writing this, the posty has just called and refused to hand me the mail because of social distancing, so I said to leave it on the ground. How can you work against this?

I’m absolutely not the campaigning type, more the sort unnoticed in the background causing mischief and discord. So I write regularly to my MP – fat lot of good that appears to do, but at least I can later hold him responsible for being complicit in all this. And I make a point of going out unmuzzled, and sound out as many people as I can. But even those who are moderately sceptical just want to go along with it all for a quiet life. How can you help people who won’t stand up for their most basic liberties? Who don’t seem interested anymore? Who are quite happy to be told whether or not they can see relatives for Christmas? And who think individuals like me are killing grannies and – because we are spreading the infection – prolonging the restrictions for everyone else? God I despair sometimes.

254549 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 25, #322 of 1705 🔗

That’s very kind of you TJN. I am just being my normal, stroppy-bugger self. Notwithstanding the worry caused by the lockdowns these idiots are imposing, I cannot just sit by and say nothing. I really would like our elected representatives to come and look into the whites of their constituents eyes some time. It might change their ideas somewhat.

I had a heartbreaking conversation with one of my regulars on Monday. I reckon, and I hope this does her no disservice, she is in her late 80s. She looks broken, the light has gone out of her eyes and she misses her friends terribly. As I said on Monday, I hate what these bastards have done, I really do.

255151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 5, #323 of 1705 🔗

Yes, KH, I hate sitting by and doing almost nothing. As I’ve explained to Rosie above, there’s seems to be close to zero traction on lockdown scepticism around us down here.

Went in the supermarket this morning and when I got there I was the only customer among the scores there who was unmuzzled. And it’s been nearly four months of this, so far. Then to my surprise I saw a woman – slightly shorter than me, a little younger than me – and she was also unmuzzled. Thing is, it was Mrs TJN, and by chance our paths had crossed as we were buggering on through the day. She’s the only person I know to talk to who is anywhere near as sceptical about this as me, and the same goes for her.

It’s a lonely life being a sceptic down here in Deepest Devon. And to think that for centuries sailors and explorers set out from here to discover the world, and spread the English language and culture around the globe. Strange to think that we’re the descendants of all those Elizabethan sea-dogs who faced down everthing, and that we’ve come to this.

I absolutely fully concur with your last sentence, which is why I will never forget this, or the people who have done it. Society either sorts those people out, or as a society we go under.

254521 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 28, #324 of 1705 🔗

When I told the GP yesterday about avoiding the waiting room on my way out,as I might upset the gagged majority, he said-‘go ahead, you’re not a plague carrier’.

Methinks that many doctors know this is all nonsense but are hidebound by political pressure and the GMC’s strictures.

255420 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 3, #325 of 1705 🔗

One reason I told my boss when I quit my job in a cafe was that I could not put up with the stupid comments and “jokes” anymore.
Putting some stats on your blackboard is a good idea.

254665 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, #326 of 1705 🔗

Well I couldn’t find the individual posts button, so I pressed the delete all my posts button – but while I can’t see most of the posts here, it seems to have deleted 3/4 of everyone else’s posts, and seems to have caused chaos on my computer, as far as I can tell the posts you don’t like are still up.

254711 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Rosie, 8, #327 of 1705 🔗

I objected to one post Rosie. And my objection was quite reasonable. As was my annoyance yesterday when I was contacted, out of the blue, by a friend of yours. How would you like it if I divulged your name, address and telephone number to a third party without your consent?

I don’t see why this would cause ‘chaos’ on your computer. Please don’t blame me for this.

254729 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, 1, #328 of 1705 🔗

Sorry.
I’m stressed out like everyone else, and in this case I wouldn’t mind at all as it happens. The comments have all magically reappeared so it must have just been taking its time.
It’s driving us all crazy and I obviously got the wrong end of various sticks so all I can say is sorry again.

254742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Rosie, 2, #329 of 1705 🔗

Good for you. I do mind, and at the very least it would have been a courtesy to ask me. Let’s leave it at that, I’m done in also.

254783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, #330 of 1705 🔗

Ideally, but let’s get some perspective on this before you get too much of a hump with me.
You have posted umpteen times on here about how the police are an enemy and you hate them all, and I never pointed you up personally. I simply kept repeating that these are mostly decent people caught up in it like we are. And that they have people who love them. and that castigating ‘the police’ instead of distinguishing between the commissioners and the ordinary police officer puts them and us into further breakdown. and then I started to say that actually some of these people are known and loved by me personally. So every time someone says something like this they add to the ‘enemy’ mindset and encourage others. What you were saying was not far away from incitement. In the end I had to go on a total rant before you stopped.

254891 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rosie, #331 of 1705 🔗

Probably had to reload all the comments onto your LS account from day one so some 100,000s.
Have you got to the dustbin icons yet ?

254644 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 10, #332 of 1705 🔗

Well put wendyk.

I’ve always had a cynical view of politics and politicians but now its hardened into outright anger and disgust. From my point of view, today’s politicians are even more remote than the politicians of the past.

Apart from politicians, I’m also fed up with the people who have bought wholesale into this and still oblivious to the destruction and havoc that the lockdowns are causing. We are being led by the blind and surrounded by the blind and I suspect that it will now take a cataclysmic Armageddon to wake them up. By that time it will be too late.

254692 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #333 of 1705 🔗

Agreed as always Bart; I always find your comments succinct, and exemplary in their clarity and their conclusions.

255126 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 1, #334 of 1705 🔗

Thanks!!!

255199 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, #335 of 1705 🔗

Very welcome!

254713 ▶▶ Ben, replying to wendyk, 14, #336 of 1705 🔗

The last few months has been a living nightmare. A close friend has been suicidal. I cannot describe the emotional pain I feel

Lockdowns and restrictions are crimes against humanity. Those who call for them are complicit. Maybe one day there will be criminal trials, but I’m not hopeful. The human race is stupid and more fascistic than I realised

254799 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ben, 8, #337 of 1705 🔗

It’s been my experience as well Jamie, and, like you, I’m a rather quiet solitary type ,not really given to approaching strangers with posters etc.

I’ve tried and tried to tell people whom I know about the suicides, the sectioning by overburdened psychiatrists trying to hold the chaos at bay, the shocking deaths of young cancer sufferers denied treatment and the hapless children,forced to wear masks and denied access to drinking water by some school zealots.

As we now know about the chumocracy, its connections, the snouts in the government procurement trough and the unseemly spectacle of legislation and control creep imposed by very well paid politicians, I think that some kind of class action must be brought against these criminals.

The buck stops with them; they must be held to account, whether nationally or internationally, I’m not sure, but it must be done.

I wish Lord Sumption would take it on for us.

254816 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to wendyk, 2, #338 of 1705 🔗

I wish Lord Sumption would take it on for us.

I do so agree. I emailed him at Brick Chambers and got no reply. Maybe others email too and also write by post. He said the British people need to wake up, and here we are awake, and we need some formal legal guidance and some leadership.

254954 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Rosie, 1, #339 of 1705 🔗

Most definitely; how I wish he would walk the walk, now that he’s talked the talk.

255274 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Rosie, 1, #340 of 1705 🔗

Written to him twice with no reply. Also to Rocco Forte, John Lee, Angus Dalgleish et al. We need a recognisable leader to head a mass revolt. Any ideas?

254488 chaos, 1, #341 of 1705 🔗

Ooo boob eyes hair girl is back. boobs.. eyes.. hair.. boobs.. eyes.. hair
Hands on the boobs, face on the eyes, space outer space.. inner space.. space the final frontier.

It’s a sign from above.

254489 Albie, replying to Albie, 12, #342 of 1705 🔗

Regarding the vaccine. I go along with what many others here have said; it won’t be mandatory but life will be very difficult without you being able to prove you have had it. The way many jobs advertised state ” driving licence essential ” read ” Covid19 vaccination essential “. Same with holidays abroad, tickets for music/sports events etc. But hopefully there will be a flourishing and competitive market in forged and fake vaccine certificates. To paraphrase an old Beatles classic; there’s nothing you can forge that can’t be forged….

254519 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Albie, 11, #343 of 1705 🔗

Don’t worry. This Davos plan will fail. It is unworkable.

254530 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to chaos, 8, #344 of 1705 🔗

Tell that to the Chinese.

And it’s not as if they have only one plan. They are destroying us by multiple means simultaneously.

254556 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to chaos, 4, #345 of 1705 🔗

The Davos plan is working very well, by all accounts. Quite why this move to make public life unachievable without a vaccine certificate is seen as a bridge too far puzzles me.

254532 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Albie, 19, #346 of 1705 🔗

I think we are in the midst of a medieval hysteria. I think it will turn and we will all look back on it as being a load of bollocks.

254541 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to steve_w, 5, #347 of 1705 🔗

That will not happen in our lifetimes unless we act now. It won’t be you who looks back, neither will it be your children.

254545 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Rosie, 13, #348 of 1705 🔗

of course I don’t know the future, but I am a natural optimist. I am excited at the prospect of calling my lockdown-loving in-laws a pair of mass murdering hysterical retards. That will go on until the end of time

254561 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to steve_w, 5, #349 of 1705 🔗

Nobody will make that happen other than we ourselves.

254627 ▶▶▶▶ Albie, replying to Rosie, 10, #350 of 1705 🔗

School kids reading about this in History in 2120 will be laughing in disbelief at how the public swallowed the nonsense churned out by the quaint scientists of 2020. And particularly how the Government advised its public that wearing a piece of fabric over their faces would prevent a virus spreading. They’ll be laughing their heads off at that one.

254617 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to steve_w, 13, #351 of 1705 🔗

You just reminded me of the “satanic abuse” hysteria of the 1980s where loads of children were taken into care because social workers got it into their heads that a group of devil worshipping parents in the NE were sacrificing and abusing them. Mass insanity among trained professionals, hundreds of ordinary lives ruined.

255281 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #352 of 1705 🔗

Totally agree. Brainwashing North Korean style. Get so sick of the constant repetition of the meaningless slogans “Hands,face, space” “Stay alert” etc. Any ideas as to how to pressurise the idiots mismanaging the show would be welcome. In the meanwhile, email Johnson and Hancock, write to Vallance and Whitty telling them how evil they are, and how culpable of all the suicides, bankruptcies, mental health problems etc they have caused, and email the 39 MPs who opposed this evil lockdown bolstering them. I’m open to any other suggestions. Honest (and this year it’s hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives ruined)

254716 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to steve_w, 2, #353 of 1705 🔗

I really hope so. Can anyone remind me what brought an end to the Swine-flu pseudo-epidemic? The thought that there is a precedent gives me hope.

254794 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jane G, 2, #354 of 1705 🔗

Ferguson’s predicted deaths didn’t happen. The Wikipedia entry is illuminating

254916 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jane G, 1, #355 of 1705 🔗

It just petered (?) out all by itself, all over the world I believe.

255865 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jane G, 1, #356 of 1705 🔗

Pandemrix vaccine damage.

254539 ▶▶ alw, replying to Albie, 8, #357 of 1705 🔗

What I have been saying for ages but the husband laughed at me. This whole scamdemic has proved to be fertile ground for forgeries and it will continue as long as this nonsense persists.

254573 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to alw, 3, #358 of 1705 🔗

If they’re just certificates then, yes, they’ll be forged. If they’re QR codes, however, they’ll be encoded URLs to a database. You can’t forge the database (the app would likely reject any URLs with the wrong domain name) so the only way you could get round it would be to copy the URL for an existing entry. Whether that would work would depend on whether the database also tracked the person – I suspect even a government as stupid as ours might get suspicious if the same person turned up at hundreds of places across the country in one day.

254618 ▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Andrew Fish, 7, #359 of 1705 🔗

Seems like you’d just have to attend a suitably private vaccine session, grease the vaccinator’s palm with the going rate of silver, and they give you the blue pill instead of the red pill. And afterwards, your new pal enters your details into the database as normal. Et voilà. The technology might be tamper proof but humans certainly aren’t – I bet corruption like this is rife even in China.

254642 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to GorbalsGirl, 5, #360 of 1705 🔗

Oh, there’ll be a way round it, certainly. And I imagine officials will turn a blind eye to it as they’ll be using it themselves. It just won’t be something in the hands of the masses, which a simply forged document would be.

254750 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to GorbalsGirl, 4, #361 of 1705 🔗

They have thought of this.Widespread fraud over QR codes or lack of smartphones in the population will end in us all being given a embedded tattoo which shows our vaccine history.
Dr Gates is heavily involved in this too.

254621 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Andrew Fish, 4, #362 of 1705 🔗

They would have to buy me a very expensive smart phone and pay the contract in that case because I won’t be.

254748 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Albie, #363 of 1705 🔗

It would be fairly easy to use cryptography to produce a certificate that cannot be forged.

254490 Adamb, 5, #364 of 1705 🔗

Zanzibar – yes please.

254492 karenovirus, 5, #365 of 1705 🔗

Danish mink farmers have until midnight tonight to cull the last of their stocks.

This is despite Mink Mutant Covid having been detected in The Netherlands, South Africa, Switzerland, Russia and the USA reports the Guardian.

Oops, that’s another stable door not shut in time.

254494 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 4, #366 of 1705 🔗

This is the meeting that Dr Roger Hodkinson was at. His bit is a 8:26. Worth listening to the whole meeting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1W0FHuR-Rc

254596 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Caramel, 3, #367 of 1705 🔗

Thanks. The following speaker is excellent as well, about the interpersonal harms of masks.

254664 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Caramel, 2, #368 of 1705 🔗

Thanks for that. I’ve updated the transcript with a link to the official video, rather than the excerpt.

At first I thought you meant 8 minutes 26 seconds, but then I saw that the video is 9 hours long! Hodkinson’s piece is at 8h26m00s .

254495 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 7, #369 of 1705 🔗

Widespread working from home could lead to an increase in racism and prejudice, a new report warns.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54937713

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254516 ▶▶ Albie, replying to Mark H, 7, #370 of 1705 🔗

Yer man there should have a facemask on, like all good virtue signallers. Guardian readers even wear them in the shower, I believe.

254526 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Albie, 7, #371 of 1705 🔗

I know guardian readers that wear them in the house because their child was told to go home due to a teacher at school testing positive. This is what we are up against. Utter madness

255976 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to steve_w, 1, #372 of 1705 🔗

Its nice to hear Guardian readers are having a shit time!

254505 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 27, #373 of 1705 🔗

I don’t think mandatory vaccination with a barely tested vaccine will happen.

But then I didn’t think the country would be put under house arrest for 4 months either.

254514 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to steve_w, 17, #374 of 1705 🔗

8 months house arrest. March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November and on into infinity….

254537 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to John Smith, 11, #375 of 1705 🔗

To be fair we did have respite of sorts. If you recall it saw most of us buggering off down to the West Country in August and September and killing them all off there. Not.
I saw a lot of Covid theatre when we were in Cornwall in September but a lot of normality too. As far as I recall the streets didn’t end up piled with dead bodies after we all left.

254542 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steph, 12, #376 of 1705 🔗

we spent the summer camping with friends, going to the pub and restaurants etc. I work from home anyway, so from 4th July til now I hardly noticed it. My poor mum on the other hand is so panicked she hasn’t left the house since February

254585 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steph, 4, #377 of 1705 🔗

Must be the Radon gas protecting the southwesters in wave one and no wave two.

254695 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to steph, 6, #378 of 1705 🔗

I still don’t know anyone who’s had the f***ing thing. I sometimes wonder if I’m dreaming all of this

255294 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to steph, 1, #379 of 1705 🔗

You didn’t kill us off . we were glad to see you!. And we still have some of the lowest rates in the country. Please come again

255290 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to John Smith, 1, #380 of 1705 🔗

I believe it’s something called “Hotel California”? You can check in but you can never leave. They’ve got the majority just where they want them – totally terrified and subservient. Graham Brady said it “-if this situation existed in a totalitarian state, we would call it evil. It IS evil and those who have caused this are evil. Write or email them -MPs emails are easily found. Write to Vallance and Whitty. Harass them Tell them how you feel.

254553 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to steve_w, 11, #381 of 1705 🔗

I didn’t think it would be illegal to visit your sister on her birthday and give her a hug. Or that it would be illegal to drive to another council district to visit a friend.

254586 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Mark H, 7, #382 of 1705 🔗

It is morally legal. Ignore it.

254509 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #383 of 1705 🔗

Yesterday linked an investigation that Eco Health alliance Chief Dazsak instructed Lancet that his organisation should not be mentioned in the Lancet letter in February signed by many scientists saying that there was no indication of lab leak as origin of the C-19 virus.Who is Peter Dazsak? He is the Chief of Eco Health Alliance who sponsored the lab work in Wuhan.
Posted below a picture of a tweet by him responding to a scientist. Please read the date of the tweet. You don’t need to be conspirator minded to have due concerns what was going on in Wuhan Lab in full co-operation with Eco Health Alliance and US researchers.

254525 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #384 of 1705 🔗

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext
“The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins.” “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin “We declare no competing interests.
 Remarkable letter in Lancet Feb .Look at the names.Peter Daszak,EcoHealth Alliance sponsor of the work in Wuhan lab.No competing interest? Christian Dorsten’s name there also.

254964 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 3, #385 of 1705 🔗

Out in the open. That’s what Reiner Fullmich (I think that’s his name) has said about these people. But he suggests more are in the shadows.

By the way what is a humanised mouse?!

255356 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, #386 of 1705 🔗

Fox. Henhouse.

255352 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, 1, #387 of 1705 🔗

Arch conspirator.

This is what he was up to in 2017:-

“Our previous studies demonstrated the capacity of both WIV1 and WIV16 to use ACE2 orthologs for cell entry and to efficiently replicate in human cells. In this study, we confirmed the use of human ACE2 as receptor of two novel SARSr-CoVs by using chimeric viruses with the WIV1 backbone replaced with the S gene of the newly identified SARSr-CoVs. Rs7327’s S protein varied from that of WIV1 and WIV16 at three aa residues in the receptor-binding motif, including one contact residue (aa 484) with human ACE2. This difference did not seem to affect its entry and replication efficiency in human ACE2-expressing cells. A previous study using the SARS-CoV infectious clone showed that the RsSHC014 S protein could efficiently utilize human ACE2, despite being distinct from SARS-CoV and WIV1 in the RBD.. We examined the infectivity of Rs4231, which shared similar RBD sequence with RsSHC014 but had a distinct NTD sequence, and found the chimeric virus WIV1-Rs4231S also readily replicated in HeLa cells expressing human ACE2 molecule. The novel live SARSr-CoV we isolated in the current study (Rs4874) has an S gene almost identical to that of WIV16. As expected, it is also capable of utilizing human ACE2. These results indicate that diverse variants of SARSr-CoV S protein without deletions in their RBD are able to use human ACE2.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5708621/

254510 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 9, #388 of 1705 🔗

“On 29 April the Department of Health and Social Care signed the £252m contract with Ayanda Capital Limited to supply two types of face masks,” according to the BBC, see:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841

Ayanda Capital “specialise in currency trading, offshore property, private equity and trade financing.” There is no email address or telephone number on their website.

Does anyone know whether the Coronavirus Act 2020 (or any other legislation) prohibits excess profiteering during a ‘public health emergency’?

254552 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #389 of 1705 🔗

For a simple answer to that question, create an eBay account and try to list face masks for sale. In all likelihood you’ll have your listing removed and warned not to try to list it again for fear of having your account shut down (yes lots of masks are for sale on eBay, but that doesn’t mean what I’ve just described doesn’t happen. It does).

Or, try to create an ad or boosted post on Facebook that promotes the sale of masks. You’ll have your ad rejected almost immediately and if you persist, you’ll have your Facebook ad account suspended.

Both true stories.

254622 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #390 of 1705 🔗

According to R4 yesterday HMG bought 5 times as much PPE as has been used in the 8 months since the start at sky high prices, I seem to remember them saying £34 billion but that sounds implausible.

254670 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to karenovirus, 2, #391 of 1705 🔗

In July, the Telegraph reported that HMG had spent £15bn on PPE .

254833 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #392 of 1705 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949275/Shops-warn-Christmas-shortages-container-port-Felixstowe-clogged.html

“Shops could see stock shortages this Christmas as 11,000 shipping containers full of PPE bought by the Government are stuck in Britain’s busiest container port”.

I guess they will just blame brexit stockpiling…

254957 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #394 of 1705 🔗

A sweet company in Ballymena got £10m. Clandeboyne Confectionery or something. I shit you not.

254515 Rosie, #395 of 1705 🔗

.

254524 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 16, #396 of 1705 🔗

Places that got a big first wave (London) have a small second wave and vice versa. This is only explainable through herd immunity.

The infection rates started falling at the beginning of November – well before the lockdown would be presumed to take effect. Only explainable through herd immunity – especially as we are heading further into winter.

The ‘predictions’ have been way out and are based on the false idea that 90% are still susceptible and we are nowhere near herd immunity.

What will it take for them to throw Ferguson under the bus to save their own skins?

254619 ▶▶ annie, replying to steve_w, 11, #397 of 1705 🔗

Feeguson is uncrushable. The more spectacularly wrong he is, the more these imbeciles like him. So long as the wrongness can be used to spread terror.

254625 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to annie, 7, #398 of 1705 🔗

He will almost certainly be on I’m a Celebrity 2021. He whores him self on everything he can. Probably end up as a same sex dance partner on strictly the year after.

254643 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 7, #399 of 1705 🔗

His disastrous predictions about BSE/ vCJD and Foot and Mouth were wrong but they were wrong in the right way. After all, no one who works for the BBC or the Guardian cares about a few hundred farmers blowing their own brains out.

254685 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 3, #400 of 1705 🔗

Ferguson is a calamity prostitute used by the Government to enact their policies. How else could public money be spent and draconian laws brought in? I’m sure Pharma loves him

254623 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to steve_w, 6, #401 of 1705 🔗

Unbalanced and Whitless are the ones who are asking SAGE the questions. They are the principles to blame I feel. These groups always act like the team of experts from the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy who when asked to answer the ultimate question. Replied 42. Because the question was flawed.

254626 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 4, #402 of 1705 🔗

Not much of a first wave in the Southwest and not much second. More people in hospital than in March April but deaths bumping along at 0-1-2 daily as they have been for several months.

254649 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 5, #403 of 1705 🔗

Population density, fresh air and higher natural vitamin D would be my explanation. And I think it was circulating in the South West last autumn after it came back with UK officials at the world military games in Wuhan.

255305 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to karenovirus, 2, #404 of 1705 🔗

Here in the sticks, in the South Hams, we’ve had 13 deaths. Since March. Just 13! And here we are in November with our shopping centres, pubs and cafes devastated. To say nothing of the shops, theatres and concert venues. And all because an idiot PM believed some deceitful “experts”. I can’t wait for the eventual reckoning.

254637 ▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 3, #405 of 1705 🔗

All corrrect but the peak of infections this time around was in the middle of October before even the tiers could have had an influence.

254673 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to steve_w, 4, #406 of 1705 🔗

Yes, some of the ‘scenarios’ that have emerged over the last several months could best be described as ‘ Not even wrong’ .

Peter Woit, Senior Lecturer in the Mathematics department at Columbia University who coined this term said: “I use ‘not even wrong’ to refer to things that are so speculative that there would be no way ever to know whether they’re right or wrong.”

254976 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #407 of 1705 🔗

I do like that.

“Not even wrong” is originally attributed to physicist Wolfgang Pauli, and I tend to think it’s maybe best interpreted as meaning that the underlying basis for an assertion is so off that the statement being made is orthogonal to the actual situation or topic. It is “besides the point” conceptually; it’s not just a case of lacking falsifiability.

In our context, I suppose assertions about the meaning and policy implications of “cases”, and the utility of masks and lockdowns, would fit the category. If there is no actual public health emergency, then all suggested measurements and measures relating to a public health emergency are “not even wrong”.

https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=271

255135 ▶▶ AfterAll, replying to steve_w, #408 of 1705 🔗

Places that got a big first wave (London) have a small second wave and vice versa. This is only explainable through herd immunity.

Spectacularly true across Europe at the moment too, with Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Germany all escaping it in the spring but now with relatively large second waves.

254529 Hilary Bethell, 8, #409 of 1705 🔗

Get more bacteria and germs by wearing a masks people/ doctors said in March masks don’t protect you then all of a sudden they do(strange) perhaps because people making millions

254536 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #410 of 1705 🔗

Fair and balanced comment on Danish mask study
 https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/89778

254558 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to swedenborg, 7, #411 of 1705 🔗

Can’t get my head around the Daily Mail headline. If wearing a mask doesn’t protect me how can it protect other people? If said other people are wearing a mask surely they aren’t protected as the conclusion is masks don’t protect you. I think the Daily Mail heading is misleading. I have read the report and it doesn’t categorially say that wearing a mask protects others.

254566 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #412 of 1705 🔗

The headlines are written by different people than the articles – I suspect these people are more inclined to stick to the narrative, after all their job doesn’t exactly require much in the way of thinking.

254607 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #413 of 1705 🔗

Too true. It just strikes me as misleading people (what’s new). Some people will read it and not bother reading the the actual paper that doesn’t say what the headline is purporting. But lets face it, everyone in power knows they don’t work but they have plenty of thick collaborators willing to wear them.

254609 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to FlynnQuill, 6, #414 of 1705 🔗

It’s almost a perfect loop of idiotic thinking. Mask worn to stop it being passed on. Mask worn but won’t stop you getting it. So unless the mask is 100% effective, which no one can claim it to be then it’s still leaving an uncontrolled risk there.

But don’t forget people love masks. They absolutely love them. They like to have designs on them, talk about them, show each other that they are wearing them. Post on social media that they adore them. People love masks. It enables them to hide their shame. Which otherwise their body language would expose.

255310 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Leemc23, 1, #415 of 1705 🔗

Mine (when I wear it, which is as little as possible) says “Tyrant Johnson ” on one side and “This is a police state ” on the other.

254678 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #416 of 1705 🔗

It’s the same broken logic for the vaccines too. I predict they’ll say that we need to be vaccinated to protect others..

.. But if the vaccine offers protective effect to the recipient then that should be enough. Does the vaccine protect the recipient or not?

And a philosophical question.. Is other people’s health our responsibility?

I’m trying to imagine the sophisticated machinations required to deliver placebos to the rich and powerful whilst disguised as the same thing we’ll be asked to take. If only they were accidentally switched

254684 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 3, #417 of 1705 🔗

Those sophisticated machinations are a crooked passport office. The elite aren’t injecting anything in to them, they’re not dumb enough.

255127 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, 1, #418 of 1705 🔗

I predict they’ll say that we need to be vaccinated to protect others..

This has been an important plank of the pro-vaxx doctrine for years.

254681 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #419 of 1705 🔗

I tend to compare it to radio reception – with a radio antenna there is a reciprocity effect, the propagation characteristics are the same each way regardless of which antenna is used for transmission and reception. The same particles that get through the mask one way will get back the other. Maybe simplifying things a bit but I don’t think it really matters which of the infected party is wearing the mask.

254548 alw, replying to alw, 15, #421 of 1705 🔗

So much for the experts!
“SAGE used WIKIPEDIA to model Covid crisis in spring, did not have a single human coronavirus expert in its ranks, and wrongly predicted virus would peak in June rather than April, damning BBC documentary reveals.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8961245/SAGE-used-dodgy-data-WIKIPEDIA-model-Covid-crisis-spring-BBC-documentary-reveals.html

254583 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to alw, #422 of 1705 🔗

I thought they used Fergusons model

254606 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to steve_w, 3, #423 of 1705 🔗

Wikipedia was more credible.

254630 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 2, #424 of 1705 🔗

What did Ferguson use? The musings of a drunk on the back of a fag packet?

254605 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to alw, #425 of 1705 🔗

….the BBC of all platforms suggests the saints of SAGE were so dim…..

254611 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 4, #426 of 1705 🔗

If you look back over my posting record (a fascinating occupation, highly recommended), you’ll see that I’ve repeatedly predicted that the Beeb would start churning out fearless documentaries denouncing the. Coronabollix, to which, if course, it in no way contributed.

254640 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to alw, 3, #427 of 1705 🔗

Leaving to one side what would happen to an employee in the real world of business who used such a source for the purposes of decision making, these very same academics will stand at the front of Lecture 1 of any undergraduate course and relay what are and are not acceptable sources for assignments. Wikipedia is not an acceptable source, and any assignment referencing it gets marked down.

254772 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #428 of 1705 🔗

It’s not difficult to crib the primary source references from Wikipedia, so if they are so thick they can’t even think to do that I wouldn’t bother marking them down, I’d chuck them off the course!

254717 ▶▶ Mark, replying to alw, 1, #429 of 1705 🔗

Doubtless being the BBC it will be carefully tailored to attack the government for not locking down efficiently or quickly enough, rather than for the actual problem the BBC seeks to protect – the whole panic response. But still, looks like they’ll let out some useful info as collateral damage:

254780 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, 1, #430 of 1705 🔗

They could have consulted Prof Sucharit Bhakdi. Can’t think why they didn’t

255471 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ben, #431 of 1705 🔗

Bhakdi is a hero to the opposition and critical thinkers, first in Germany, now more known around the world. That alone is one reason why he is branded a conspiracy theorist, denier of covid and enemy no1 by MSM in Germany and
C – believers. He is rarely invited to MSM programs discussing C.
Very sad that the basics of democracy and what the “educated elite” in the west said they have fought wars for, is totally being ignored.

254551 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #432 of 1705 🔗

Only have to read the comments in the Mail and Telegraph to have optimism.. the seniors in the tory party will not allow Boris to destroy the party.

As for The Great Reset, it’s a stupid unworkable idea.. it will fail…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK72PDM8jXI

254575 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to chaos, 16, #433 of 1705 🔗

It will fail – as every attempt at mass social engineering has failed. Unfortunately, when they fail what usually happens is something unplanned and appalling. None of this is going to end well for anyone, including the people who currently think it is to their advantage.

254588 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to jakehadlee, 6, #434 of 1705 🔗

At an individual level – it’s like when you rehearse a conversation in your head, so that you can preempt the other party’s answers, and then you can find a retort for each one, before you have the real conversation.
Trouble is that they will always come up with something else that you haven’t thought of, because their brain is different to yours – and you just can’t legislate for that.

254787 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #435 of 1705 🔗

The Holocaust didn’t fail. Reading about the Aktion T4 programme is horrifying

254698 ▶▶ Mark, replying to chaos, 1, #436 of 1705 🔗

the seniors in the tory party will not allow Boris to destroy the party.

No, that’s their prerogative.

Mind you, it’s all a bit after the event…

The Cameron Delusion

254557 swedenborg, 1, #437 of 1705 🔗

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.385401v1.full.pdf
This article is super specialized but would give an explanation of the apparent low effect of Sars-Cov2 in Eastern Asian populations. Genetic resistance, no surprises. An ancient coronavirus-like epidemic drove adaptation in East Asians from 25,000 to 5,000 years ago

 “Here, we apply evolutionary analyses to human genomic datasets to recover selection events involving tens of human genes that interact with coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2, that started 25,000 years ago. These adaptive events were limited to ancestral East Asian populations, the geographical origin of several modern coronavirus epidemics. An arms race with an ancient corona-like virus may thus have taken place in ancestral East Asian populations

254559 Rosie, 15, #438 of 1705 🔗

Genuine exponential growth can be triggered by just a few people. Two examples:

One person (me) yesterday:
Using this leaflet https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

On a train or tram I put just one out on a nearby seat, picture up. Placed prominently, almost as if it’s a person sitting there. Only one, so people don’t feel spammed and it takes them by surprise. Sometimes I don’t see it go – someone grabs it as they leave the tram/train.

Today: man walks by. Stops. Looks round. Goes closer. Leans in…….. takes out camera and takes a picture…. And finally grabs it.

On the underground, a girl takes a photograph and so does a man opposite. She’s fumbling with it in her eagerness, and he leans across asking her to turn it his way. I assume these people will forward the picture to their friends.

and Steve’s comment from downthread:

Steve Martindale:
I feel we have to separate the 2 aspects. Discussions on the global political, power and financial moves on this are perfectly valid. But we then need to think about what we can do on a practical level to change anything on all this.

I have just looked on Twitter and one of my tweets about the need to write to MPs to vote against any further Covid legislation has been liked and re-tweeted by 2 people.

Hardly a revolution but from small acorns……

Exactly, so they do.

254560 alw, replying to alw, 3, #439 of 1705 🔗

Just like Pfizer CEO
As the world awaits results from Moderna’s pivotal Covid-19 vaccine study, Chief Medical Officer Tal Zaks has been selling his existing stock like clockwork every week through pre-scheduled trades…”

254598 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 1, #440 of 1705 🔗

How much in debt were they at the start of the year?

254564 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #441 of 1705 🔗

Do face masks cause harm? I’ve read anecdotal reports of a few people getting bacterial infections from prolonged wearing of face masks

It cannot be healthy, especially for children, to have reduced oxygen. I’ve seen a few elderly struggling to breathe with them on. It’s quite distressing

Prolongued wearing of face masks needs to be proven safe. This is not a lot to ask

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mask-mouth-dentists-warn-prolonged-use-of-masks-leading-to-poor-oral-hygiene?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

254574 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Ben, 7, #442 of 1705 🔗

Nasal breathing is surprisingly important. I got into the bad habit of mouth breathing when I was ill and I carried on being a mouth breather for a few years. Use it or lose it. The nose gets bunged up when not used. I had to relearn how to use my nose.. tried a netti pot.. in the end hundreds of squirts of beclamethasone opened the nasal passages and now I breathe through the nose again. My asthma inhaler use halved as a result and other benefits (better sleep). Most of our nitric oxide comes from the sinuses.. most humans breathe through one nostril at a time, every few hours one nostril takes over from the other…

254584 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to chaos, 4, #443 of 1705 🔗

That’s why we tend to turn over in bed (to switch nostril). There are also studies that suggest – not sure how true they are – that breathing through individual nostrils has impacts on the hemispheres of the brain. Presumably not breathing through either will negatively impact both hemispheres.

254587 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #444 of 1705 🔗

Also some evidence to suggest better erections with nose breathing.. due to the nitric oxide. Lots of interest in nose breathing at the moment e.g. podcasts such as London Real. Nasal breathing might even help some cases of ADD/ADHD.

254612 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to chaos, 5, #445 of 1705 🔗

Now that’s one which might put a lot of people off masks – wear a mask, fail to get it up.

254708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #446 of 1705 🔗

Pfizer can help with that

255850 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DickieA, replying to Sarigan, 2, #447 of 1705 🔗

Yep. As their new advertising slogan puts it:
“Pfizer, from boner to corona, we’ve got it covered”..

254762 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Andrew Fish, #448 of 1705 🔗

I learned from a whisky tasting that as well as being binocular and binaural we are “binolfactory” animals. We can pick up different ‘notes’ with each nostril. It makes perfect sense in evolutionary terms that our brain should be able to recognise signals from each side of the nose.

255017 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #449 of 1705 🔗

I’ve been to a few whisky tastings and they’ve never mentioned that. Either that or I drank too much of the whisky and don’t remember.

255043 ▶▶▶ GLT, replying to chaos, #450 of 1705 🔗

There are traditional yoga exercises that practice breathing through one nostril at a time. There’s often a good observational rationale behind these long-standing traditions.

254568 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #452 of 1705 🔗

Non news really, virus outbreak at meat processing plant in Cornwall
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-54992525
Is there a meat processing plant anywhere that has not now had an outbreak of this virus?
I may not be the sharpest knife in the box but when you think about this and compare it to the way the virus died down in the summer methinks this should be telling everybody something?
Yet still the Health Authorities in the West Country talk of stopping this virus in its tracks as if it were the advance of a Panzer Tank division. Sorry I’m back to Stones lyrics again, the virus is like Ruby Tuesday;
‘She would never say where she came from
Yesterday don’t matter if it’s gone
While the sun is bright
Or in the darkest night
No one knows, she comes and goes’
The idea that we can ‘stop this virus in its tracks’ has actually been damaging as efforts were put into fruitless control policies when we should have been directing efforts at effective treatments for serious covid and vitamin D for all.

254591 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #453 of 1705 🔗

There is also Avian flu which will affect the supply of chicken.
Looks like the meat supply is slowly being restricted – cos climate change, cos green stuff

254595 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #454 of 1705 🔗

I think George Monbiot must be running one of the nudge units

255261 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Martindale, #455 of 1705 🔗

Shutting down of food processing plants and building 29 lorry parks is all part of the Govt. strategy to tackle obesity…

255464 ▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Martindale, #456 of 1705 🔗

Alleged outbreak Steve. If it was done with the PCR test then the results are highly suspect.

254571 Stuart, 13, #457 of 1705 🔗

Facemasks reduce blood oxygen, which is debilitating; and hypoxia is eventually fatal. Similarly, lockdowns reduce physical activity to comatose levels.

Starvation on the other hand, when caused by the post-January 1st food scarcity, contains within itself the amelioration of the former two conditions.

254572 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 30, #458 of 1705 🔗

Statement from SAGE:
We are delighted to welcome Dr Joseph Mengele and Dr Harold Shipman to the team. With their expertise we anticipate reaching our stated goal of 4,000 deaths a day by December 25th.

254604 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 8, #459 of 1705 🔗

We are sponsored by I G Farben. Try Zyklon B on your face nappy.

254610 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to annie, 9, #460 of 1705 🔗

I was reading yesterday that Moderna is directly decended from IG Farben.

254788 ▶▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to leggy, 4, #461 of 1705 🔗

and those icons of virtue Anthony Joshua and Lewis Hamilton flaunt their glad rags made by Boss, makers of SS uniforms. Heroes.

254577 thedarkhorse, replying to thedarkhorse, 2, #462 of 1705 🔗

One of our “puffins” at Going Postal has done a nice write-up on the coronavirus vaccine, pop over and have a look whilst it is the “current” article.
https://going-postal.com/2020/11/whats-all-the-fuss-about-the-covid-19-vaccine/

254897 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to thedarkhorse, #463 of 1705 🔗

Might be an ok article, but unfortunately they referenced wikipedia at least 5 times. Wikipedia is not a reliable source (information get changed by an army of editors at any time). Schools and universities do not allow wikipedia references

254593 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #464 of 1705 🔗

The Dispatches programme from the 16/11 is about the environment and online use, not the advertised programme on the shortfalls of the testing. I’ve checked on the channel 4 streaming service

254600 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to p02099003, 3, #465 of 1705 🔗

On the green issue, I was just googling something (I know, must remember to duck duck go in future) and I thought there was a greenfly on my computer screen. Turns out it’s a little leaf image dropping down the page where, at the bottom, it states that google have been carbon neutral since 2007. Groan.

254620 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kh1485, 3, #466 of 1705 🔗

I’m not sure that duckduckgo is all it’s cracked up to be.
The viewing data on my website is no different when people use that searcher

254628 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #467 of 1705 🔗

Just so that you are aware.
If you go onto the Channel 4 catch-up service and search for Dispatches, then you may not find the programme on the shortfalls of testing.
The episode dated as 16/11 is about online use and the environment (there is no episode dated 9/11!)
However searching for “ Lockdown Chaos ” does locate the programme.

254636 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to p02099003, 2, #468 of 1705 🔗

definitely find it if you go via Catchup option and then via the date 16/11and time

254690 ▶▶ davews, replying to p02099003, 1, #469 of 1705 🔗

The bits I saw on the TV live were certainly from the testing labs, maybe the streaming service has the programmes confused.

254730 ▶▶▶ Michael C, replying to davews, #470 of 1705 🔗

The Lockdown Chaos programme, which went out on the 16th, was also advertised correctly in the Radio Times.

255482 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to p02099003, #471 of 1705 🔗

The Test &trace program was on at 9pm, not at 8pm. I got confused as well and thought maybe they had to pull it.

254594 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 16, #472 of 1705 🔗

Face diapers don’t work – they destroy the immune system. Viruses are unstable molecules in the natural environment, that is not where you will contract the flu.

Nappy’s are a religious statement. That is all. I am just surprised the nappyists are not self-flagellating as well.

254601 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ferd III, 9, #473 of 1705 🔗

If they were told to flagellate themselves, they would.
Or I could do it for them. Anything to oblige.

254616 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ferd III, 4, #474 of 1705 🔗

They are compelled speech. A religious statement as you say. No different that being asked to recite a prayer if you aren’t religious.

Ironically, I’m reminded of the Denials of Peter. And what the eventual cost of that was.

255447 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to mhcp, #475 of 1705 🔗

No different that being asked to recite a prayer if you aren’t religious.

When has that happened recently?

254715 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ferd III, 3, #476 of 1705 🔗

It’s not just the muzzles but everything associated with the lockdown – the anti-social distancing, the sanitisers, etc. It’s become a religion for many people.

It brings truth to the saying that when people stop believing in God they’ll believe in anything.

254737 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #477 of 1705 🔗

There was a piece on the news last night.Young attractive woman filmed in hospital with Covid.Although she couldn’t have been that ill because she was filming herself.She was then interviewed later on when she recovered and said she followed all the protocols and sanitised her hands and still caught it.The obvious conclusion never dawned on her that all these useless measures cannot stop a virus.The MSM must be getting desperate if they are still trotting out these stories which worked in the first lockdown but seem to have lost their power now.

254744 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #478 of 1705 🔗

Exactly. As I’ve told certain people you can still catch a cold even if you’ve not been exposed to anyone. Last year I moved house and it was exhausting and stressful. Didn’t have time to really rest and recover because I had a very busy spring & summer at work. Then come November I caught a cold and temperature that knocked me out for 3 days. Common sense would say that was my body saying “enough” and needed to rest and recover but you can bet that if that was this year, there would be pressure for me to get tested if I had the ‘rona.

254802 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #479 of 1705 🔗

I posted this article on fb on 1st October

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/

255450 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #480 of 1705 🔗

If she was young then she’s not going to be really sick with covid unless she has a weak immune system or other serious health issues.

255531 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #481 of 1705 🔗

I saw a sign today Sanitizer must be used on entry and EXIT. Why do they care if I use sanitizer on exit?

255628 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Silke David, #482 of 1705 🔗

Because you [we] are an animal in need of COMMAND AND CONTROL!

254615 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 11, #483 of 1705 🔗

P C R = POINTLESS CLAPPED-OUT RUBBISH

Ditch the test!

255626 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #484 of 1705 🔗

“test”!

254624 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 11, #485 of 1705 🔗

“Please Sir, can you follow the one way system in future”, this morning at a tiny Gregg s with only one other person in it. I don t say anything, because if anything, i still enjoy a Gregg s breakfast @ £2.20, they have always stayed open and they still accept cash payment.

Soon, there will be a rise in "speakeasy" culture and venues (under cover) that hopefully will still accept the good ol ways. Mine`s a pint of Black Sheep please..

254733 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to nickbowes, 4, #486 of 1705 🔗

Hope you were unmuzzled

255625 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to nickbowes, #487 of 1705 🔗

Fuck the breakfast!

This is why they are winning…

254629 chaos, 4, #488 of 1705 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjgSfO5ky1Y
Sky News Australia
Boris Johnson has sold out any conservative credentials he pretended to have

254632 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 48, #489 of 1705 🔗

There is no such thing as asymptomatic Covid

As with the idea of asymptomatic flu or asymptomatic pneumonia, asymptomatic covid is nonsense on stilts

Those exposed to the covid virus either immediately destroy it with their ‘T’ cells or develop symptoms

So where has the phenomena of asymptomatic covid come from?

It has been born from the desire for an explanation as to why fit and healthy people test positive for covid

The true explanation for this phenomena is that the test results are false positives

Once the false positive explanation is accepted the whole covid hysteria falls apart

254647 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cecil B, 12, #490 of 1705 🔗

Exactly, and that was the thesis of the senior doctor at the WHO until she was forced to retract. It’s a bit like Long Covid – a manufactured condition to fit a narrative.

254650 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Cecil B, 7, #491 of 1705 🔗

Yes surely the biggest myth of all regarding CCP Virus.

254709 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #492 of 1705 🔗

There will be once the Pfizer ‘vaccine’ results in people being infectious but showing few if any symptoms
That will produce legions of Typhoid Marys.

255446 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to karenovirus, 1, #493 of 1705 🔗

Typhoid is a bacterial infection.

254943 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 2, #494 of 1705 🔗

China don’t count asymptomatic people as cases. Because, well, they’re not. Hard to wrap my head around that but I’m not a scientist. I’ll await Chris Wittys view.

255445 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, 3, #495 of 1705 🔗

Quite so.

I listened to that spineless weasel Steve Baker on Planet Normal saying that no, covid was real, and has specific symptoms, so false positives were not significant.

No Steve, we are not talking about the people who have been properly diagnosed with covid19 by physicians, we are talking about the millions of so-called “asymptomatic” PCR test cases.

255488 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 1, #496 of 1705 🔗

In Germany they first used the example of asymptomatic spread by a Chinese business woman coming to Munich for a day. Later it was made public that she had taken a few paracetamol to supress her symptoms and was ill when she returned to China.

254634 paologrigio, replying to paologrigio, 5, #497 of 1705 🔗

According to the Telegraph “GCHQ has set up a cell in Downing Street to provide Boris Johnson with real-time intelligence to combat the “emerging and changing threat” posed by Covid-19”.
I don’t subscribe now as it’s not great for my mental health so can anyone shed any light on exactly what this “emerging and changing threat” is, & why GCHQ would be needed?

254638 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to paologrigio, 25, #498 of 1705 🔗

We are the emerging and changing threat

254797 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cecil B, 2, #499 of 1705 🔗

Yes… doesn’t that feel good!

254652 ▶▶ Ben, replying to paologrigio, 22, #500 of 1705 🔗

About 70% of people I’ve chatted to in public distrust the Government over ‘CoViD’. The same goes for people switching off the mainstream media news. ‘I’m sick to death of hearing about it’ said a friend

A taxi driver last week: ‘we’re being lied to mate. Never believed any of it from day one’

254654 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to paologrigio, 15, #501 of 1705 🔗

It signals they are dug so deep in the bunker now they are suffering severe neurosis. They are the ones pedaling conspiracy theories, not the anti vaxxers.

254677 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #502 of 1705 🔗

Like it… I can see that!

254687 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #503 of 1705 🔗

I’m fact I’m going to add to that and Cecil N’s comment that this has made me feel LOADS better.

Instead of feeling oppressed, I’m
Going to recognise how tortured many in govt or media will be starting to feel. How confused and insecure they are. Because if you lie and manipulate that much , you’re going to hope you are not found out. You’re going to be concerned if we’re all buying it. If we are all as docile as they think. And they don’t really know what proportion is or is not. The protests around the world will be very unnerving.

The psychopaths of course won’t give a sh*j but they are not all like that. Many will be on a spectrum and some will know the truth.

254691 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #504 of 1705 🔗

And the other thing that gives me immense hope from reading that brilliant long letter featured today, is that corporations, especially when they get massive, are hopeless at organising a piss up in a brewery. I’ve worked on one and my husband works in one now. These massive entities are dysfunctional. That is a great weakness we should be aware of and take advantage of.

254696 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #505 of 1705 🔗

I can’t wait for tonight’s programme on BBC2 about the use of Wiki in modeling prior to Lockdown 1. I think we might be closer to this charade imploding than we think?

254714 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #506 of 1705 🔗

as it is BBC – which is the black hole of investigative journalism – i am not optimistic of this being anything other than a cover up .

255010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Athanasius, replying to mjr, #507 of 1705 🔗

They still think the big mistake was not locking down sooner and harder. Ffs.

254705 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #508 of 1705 🔗

Knowing what proportion of the population are still convinced is partly what the masks are all about.

254792 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to karenovirus, 4, #509 of 1705 🔗

So it’s actually pretty good that the majority are wearing them. People are wearing them, not because they believe the rubbish, it’s more about just going along with it and it’s a fairly small insignificant action to many. They won’t be like with a vaccine will they?!.

The masks are a massively helpful decoy to the government. They can increase the lies and not be able to read people’s real feelings because people are 1) being careful what they say on Facebook 2) wearing masks. There will be some that believe, but I think actually the forced silencing may well help us.

And I think what I’ve said fits with
1. The size of the protests in Leipzig and other countries
2. The large number of votes for Trump

Blimey. I actually feel really positive. It’s them that feel oppressed. By their own b*llsh**. They must be terrified this is all going tits up!

Ha ha ha!

254700 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #510 of 1705 🔗

Just as in Downfall with Hitler shuffling imaginary armies of Skilled Track’n’Tracers, Covid Marshals, vaccinaters and testing station staff desperately awaiting miracle weapons (vaccines) before Xmas when more and more people realise he’s just a big blobby liar.

254795 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to karenovirus, 1, #511 of 1705 🔗

Love it!

254658 Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 8, #512 of 1705 🔗

Morning All

Today I have mixed feelings. I try and educate myself every day with a bit more info from here and links on here. The article by Sebastian Friebel is one of the best and most compelling I have read. It’s alos terrifying.

The depressing part was a continuation of my debate with “JC” on our small Facebook page. We are a small group of golfers who connected via a BBC (sorry!) forum and have met up a few times only. They are all in the UK and I’m here in SA

After JC’s trolling (see yesterday), DF joins in today (see below). He’s not a troll but he’s also not very bright. His take on it, and the subsequent trolling from JC leave me lost for words. I’m inclined to post a link to Friebel’s article, but am pretty sure that the “conspiracy Theory” alarm will go off.

So far, in addition to what JC the troll said, DF and another KS have both glibly said they will take the vaccine. My attempts to dissuade them have if anything had the opposite effect

The exasperating thing is that the government’s propaganda tactic is played out beautifully. Someone (me) challenges the mainstream and with very little sensible debate the “social disapproval” comes out. I couldn’t care less what they think of me, but trying to enlighten people seems to be counter-productive. What I do care about is that this kind of gullibility is paving the way for what Friebel predicts.

Anyway see below for the latest, depressing thread. There will doubtless be more comments but I’m inclined to withdraw now

DF:
Bloody hell I’ve just caught up.
Interesting stuff, a lot of bollocks being put about but either way my take is pretty straightforward.
If there’s a vaccine and it’s tried and tested and it means a return to some form of a more normal life I’m all for it.
I laugh at some of the bullshit I hear like it’s all being done to control us and it’s all a way to stop people using cash etc.
I don’t know who thinks this bollocks up but it’s mental.
Why would the government spend millions on Furlough, nightingale hospitals, lockdowns that damage the economy if COVID was nothing more than a bad cold.
I will stick to what I’m told to do as much as it’s a pain but at least I’m alive and doing my best to look after the people that matter to me.

Me:
To your earlier point DF: about controlling us and cashless society etc, a lot of that isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s openly stated by the WEF under the guise of “The Great Reset”. It’s basically the centralisation of economies i.e. globalisation. Obviously they phrase it so that it sounds beneficial. But that is the agenda. There are a lot of indications that the COVID situation is being exploited to make the poor poorer and the rich richer.
As I have mentioned, I think Mike Yeadon summarises it perfectly. Yes there is a “COVID”. Yes it is severe, especially in old / compromised people. There was a peak in April and may be a slight surge now in winter. But the majority of people were either already immune or are now and it’s now declining and is pretty much over. There was no need for continued lockdown, masks are not effective. If we went back to normal, things would be, well, normal. The fact that we aren’t can no longer be explained by incompetence.

DF: zzzzzzzzzzz

Me:
Which also means that there’s no need for a vaccine

DF:
ok no worries we should all just carry on regardless and let people die unnecessarily then when there’s a possibility of a vaccine

Me:
I don’t understand why anyone would want to take a vaccine based on the fact that most people are immune by now, most people are at low risk (excepting elderly and immuno-deficient). If people who are vulnerable have it, why would low risk people have it? The data shows that the virus has all but run its course. Are you going to have the vaccine?

JC:
Nutter

254703 ▶▶ Cotton, replying to Sceptic in SA, 11, #513 of 1705 🔗

Why bother? There are always a range of people in totalitarian regimes who are not just agnostic to the horrible and dehumanising things they are required to do but actively happy to do it. Arguing with people who have that mindset is pointless.

254720 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Cotton, 2, #514 of 1705 🔗

Well my hope is that at least one of them has some sort of eureka moment.
But I’ve come to the same conclusion as you.

A tactic I used previously I tried to start from simple first principles – namely that all the measures (and hysteria) are based on the flawed PCR tests. If someone can accept that, they should be able to follow the logical steps. Equally, if they understand how the WEF etc. control govt’s then they can see the motive. I don’t pretend to be an expert in any of this, but I’m trying to educate myself. Unfortunately though you’re right, that irrefutable truths are ignored and then you very quickly get faced with closed mindedness and then ridicule.

I remember another “conspiracy theorist” on another topic referred to the Hitler’s “Big Lie”, which he paraphrased as “If you are going to lie, making it a f*cking big one. The more ridiculous it is, the more people will fall for it”. He went on to say that the main reason people do believe this stuff is that it’s terrifying to think “If they can lie to us about this, what else might they be lying about”. It’s much safer psychologically to not even entertain the notion that the governments are being controlled and are lying, especially on such a scale

254734 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sceptic in SA, #515 of 1705 🔗

Around my way Sw England more people are Covid in hospital than March April but only 1-2 deaths daily which is low for respiratory disease in the Autumn.
This information is available in local media.

254777 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sceptic in SA, #516 of 1705 🔗

They’re problem is that they believe governments have power and act in our interest. they don’t the banking cartel runs the world and they do not have our best interests at heart. You only need to see Charles Walkers quote about the shadows. There have been many other such quotes by politicians.

254832 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sceptic in SA, #517 of 1705 🔗

This is just lazy and ignorant what this guy is saying. There is a lot of this kind of thinking about. It’s endemic and this culture is proliferating exponentially. It’s down to hard core brainwashing and the systematic polarisation of people’s views and attitudes.

The fascism has been ramped up to staggering levels over the last 20 years.

Simple things like the use of the phrases like “at the end of the day”, “the bottom line”, “end of”, “absolutely”, “when all is said and done”, are key drivers of this mental re-framing process. Totalitarian fascism for the masses.

254935 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptic in SA, #518 of 1705 🔗

Every comment from JC is a personal attack. Take these people out of your view. They are toxic.

My friends don’t research what’s going on very much and I pick my moments with them. Got them on board with the PCR thing a few months ago. They respect my opinion and try to counter. But they never attack me in that way. I am feckin harmless anyway

255107 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #519 of 1705 🔗

Every comment from JC is a personal attack. Take these people out of your view. They are toxic.

Yes. (I paraphrased/shortened this yesterday. 🙂 ).

254659 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 11, #520 of 1705 🔗

Thanks Christ for that!

I’ve been wearing this bloody thing since 1969…
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254862 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #521 of 1705 🔗

Yes… My human gets me blues . or is it the Blimp?..

254947 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #522 of 1705 🔗

A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?“

255905 ▶▶ Edward, replying to captainbeefheart, #523 of 1705 🔗

One of the all-time greatest albums.

254660 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #524 of 1705 🔗

The MSM are accused of slavishly following and regurgitating the dictators policies

In reality the exact opposite is true. The dictator is slavishly following and regurgitating the MSM’s policies

254689 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #525 of 1705 🔗

Mumsnets policies.

255436 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, #526 of 1705 🔗

They reinforce each other.

254666 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #527 of 1705 🔗

This new article published in Nature will lead to much discussions and will probably be used by the lockdown “lite” category experts. No fan of NPI but still interesting to link it here as it will probably be hotly disputed

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-01009-0

Ranking the effectiveness of worldwide COVID-19 government interventions

“Our findings suggest that no NPI acts as a silver bullet on the spread of COVID-19.” (My best quote) They are trying to convey that lockdown is too drastic and that targeted NPI might work. Another article built upon modelling etc. But are these really evidence? Considering that in the flu pandemic guidelines 2019 the evidence for NPI was very low. Difficult to think that these observational studies really can add to solid evidence. Suspicious of all studies using modelling and feeding with selective data and somehow coming out of this, some observational evidence.

254928 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #528 of 1705 🔗

Targeted NPI? Is that like the GBDs ‘Targeted Protection” suggestion?

255045 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #529 of 1705 🔗

exactly like it I imagine

254671 Fingerache Philip., 11, #530 of 1705 🔗

JHB taking the P××s out of an “expert” on TR, and I honestly don’t think he realizes that she’s actually taking the P××s.

254672 Hairy Bob, replying to Hairy Bob, 16, #531 of 1705 🔗

Friends and family are for life, not just for Christmas.

254704 ▶▶ alw, replying to Hairy Bob, 3, #532 of 1705 🔗

Nice one. We all need this on posters for our windows.

254679 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 13, #533 of 1705 🔗

Office for Statistics Regulation

I have written to the Statistics Regulator today, as follows (copied to my MP and to NHS England):

‘As you will know, one of the fundamental principles of official statistics is that:

“Official statistics provide an indispensable element in the information system of a democratic society, serving the government, the economy and the public with data about the economic, demographic, social and environmental situation. To this end, official statistics that meet the test of practical utility are to be compiled and made available on an impartial basis by official statistical agencies to honour citizens’ entitlement to public information.”

I was therefore aghast to discover that “due to the coronavirus illness (COVID-19) and the need to release capacity across the NHS to support the response,” NHS England has decided to “pause the collection and publication of some of our official statistics.” This decision was re-affirmed on 1 October 2020, see:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/covid-19-and-the-production-of-statistics/

I note that the publication of the monthly dataset “ Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled ” – a dataset of enormous public interest – has “paused”.

I also note that NHS England states that it is not merely the publication of some of their statistics that have ceased, but also the collection . I would have thought that, if anything, during a public health emergency the amount of official statistics ought to have increased, not decreased.

What are the implications of this decision if, in the future, there is a Royal Commission or Public Inquiry into the response to the pandemic? What are the implications of this decision if, in the future, these statistics are required by the justice system?’

254694 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #534 of 1705 🔗

They’ve run out of lies.

254728 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #535 of 1705 🔗

Fraud by omission.

254753 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #536 of 1705 🔗

Thus is an absolute scandal! We all need to write to MPs, especially sceptical ones to make sure the government is nailed on this one. Looks like an act of calculated deceit.

254759 ▶▶ Evoluon, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #537 of 1705 🔗

The collection would only cease if the individual hospital trusts no longer require this data to be input into their information systems. This seems unlikely. More likely PHE is not collating the data which will still be out there.

254827 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Evoluon, #538 of 1705 🔗

Yes, one would desperately hope so.

254683 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 5, #539 of 1705 🔗

Just spotted a link to a PHE study on antibodies, which summarises:

T cells are immune cells generated on infection which coordinate the immune system’s activities; some T cells specialise in fighting viral infections.
About 1/4 of the keyworker population studied had high levels of T cells which recognised SARS-CoV- 2 in their blood when they joined the study in June 2020. By ‘high levels’ we mean levels similar to those seen in people who have had COVID-19 disease. However, about half the people with high levels of T cells in their blood have not had COVID- 19, as far as we could tell- the cells were probably there because of previous infection with coronaviruses other than SARS-CoV-2.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/936461/EDSAB-HOME_study-details-research-protocol-outputs_18-11-20.pdf

254702 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Adamb, 3, #540 of 1705 🔗

Ha , show that to Handoncock, his reply would be… NOOOO I won’t look, I won’t look!

254732 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to vargas99, 4, #541 of 1705 🔗

Show it to the BBC, Sky and ITV and their response will be “We won’t report! We won’t report!!” .

Imagine them telling the truth: that previously having had the common cold is often enough to give you cast iron protection from against Covid-19!

254721 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Adamb, 4, #542 of 1705 🔗

Very interesting. The impression I’ve got from previous reading is that T cell immunity might be more difficult to detect ie the body doesn’t need many T cells for a particular pathogen because it can ramp up production if re-infection occurs. So this study might have been underestimating the extent of immunity back in June. My hunch also is some people have naturally strong first line defences ie super efficient nasal mucus and tonsils, meaning they don’t have to start manufacturing T cells. I am sure we have all come across that small community of individuals who never seem to get colds.

254754 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to OKUK, #543 of 1705 🔗

Absolutely. I had it during 2 week paternity leave which also coincided with the first lockdown, and despite being cooped up at home together all that time, my wife avoided it (no symptoms, negative antibody test).

254850 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Adamb, 2, #544 of 1705 🔗

What we are seeing is how a lot of modern science doesn’t do context. Feynman brought this up many times when reviewing biology experiments, as he was brought into be an independent reviewer.

Typically researchers A test X leads to Y. The idea goes around that Y may lead to Z so someone goes and tests Y leads to Z. Great proclaimations all round.

Seems logical yes? But no. The first thing you would do is repeat X is Y for your experimental set up. This is characterisation and also calibration is you repeat it into a process. Then you test Y to Z.

It creates context. Without this Y to Z has much less weight and often is misleading.

If you want to study T cells you need a baseline of typical T cell levels in the population. Otherwise you’re often just looking for signs that water is wet but claiming it is significant.

255233 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to mhcp, #545 of 1705 🔗

Testing whether per-existent T cells protect against infection is a BIG prospective clinical experiment. It would be nice to believe it, and the spectrum of disease presented by SAR-CoV-2 infection does vary enormously. But declaring that having T cells means sterile immunity is false induction. I would not be surprised if such cells played a role in severity of disease, and possibly transmission (although that is a bigger inductive jump).

254693 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 4, #546 of 1705 🔗

Someone called a friend of mine a “covid denier” and sent the below graph for the USA. The graph is amusing in that they’re comparing spikes with averages and it’s from APRIL! My points were simply going to be a) this is a graph that ends in April, if you continued it throughout the following months it would drop to near zero, b) these are deaths WITH covid. For example, they admitted they were counting car crashes with positive covid tests as covid deaths.

Obviously they’re going to want covid to look like a big ominous line next to everything else, so they’ll compare it against things that make it look good, but even that spike looks high to me. What do you think?

And does anyone else have any realistic comparable graphs I could send to my friend? Thanks for any help.

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254809 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to John Galt, 9, #547 of 1705 🔗
255099 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #548 of 1705 🔗

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255115 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to JohnB, 1, #549 of 1705 🔗

love it 🙂

254710 Jack62, replying to Jack62, 22, #550 of 1705 🔗

I refuse to wear a mask, I wear a lanyard saying I don’t have to wear one, I see people in supermarkets who look really ill wearing a face mask, my mother has had to stop wearing one because she’s caught a bad bronchitis, I believe, from wearing a mask, she’s wearing a lanyard now too.

254723 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jack62, 6, #551 of 1705 🔗

Sad to hear that though it was predicted here at the start of mask compulsion.
Hopefully you mum will recover soon.

254739 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Jack62, 17, #552 of 1705 🔗

When I see very elderly people walking slowly hunched over outdoors and wearing a mask, I could cry. It’s doing so much damage to them.

254718 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #553 of 1705 🔗

A Cannabis Research Firm With Only £6,000 In Assets Has Been Handed Two PPE Contracts Worth £33m

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/cannabis-research-firm-ppe-coronavirus

254764 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sarigan, #554 of 1705 🔗

Yes, their accounts only show £6k for last filing.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11633071

but at least one of the directors is a big player in other medical companies.

254851 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sarigan, 2, #555 of 1705 🔗

What were they smoking when that was handed out?

254885 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan, 2, #556 of 1705 🔗

I think when/if this is over we’ll need some sort of 100% tax on any company profit made between 23rd March and the end. A windfall tax. Might stop the pharma industry creating the next scaredemic

254722 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #557 of 1705 🔗

The “expert” interviewed by JHB on TR advised that when we get “parole” over Christmas that we open the windows to lower the risk of passing on the virus; so if “granny” catches a chill, ” Well, at least she didn’t catch Covid”
In the words of our teenage granddaughters:” Are these people for real?”

254741 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #558 of 1705 🔗

They’re not inhabiting the same reality as me.

254725 clodaghlaw, 1, #559 of 1705 🔗

Hi Toby – have you seen this?
https://lbry.tv/@BNN:6/Banned-from-YouTube-America's-Frontline-Doctors-Hold-2nd-Summit-in-DC:9
Lots of thoughts on masks backing the Danish report.

254731 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #560 of 1705 🔗

Can anyone remember the channel 4 series Space Cadets? The series was a hoax at the expense of its contestants, who were told they were being trained as cosmonauts at a Russian military base before undergoing a five-day trip into low earth orbit. In reality, the entire series was filmed in Suffolk, and the contestants did not leave Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_(TV_series)

The wikipedia entry details the psychological aspect as follows:

The show consistently raised the issue of how an immersive illusion can convince average people over a period of time, especially when reinforced as part of a group of believers – especially when this includes men in white coats and other authority figures. Outsiders (in this case, the viewers) see the hoax as laughable, yet ‘inside’ the Cadets have been slowly lulled into “what is, in effect, an alternative universe.” The actor Cadet on the ‘mission’ stated that it was easier to let himself believe the experience was genuine; trying to consciously remind himself of the hoax left him disorientated and “30% convinced, despite everything I know, that I am actually in space”.

It all seemed a bit bizarre to me, nobody could believe they were really going into space could they? And it seemed at the time a bit cruel on the participants.

But at the same time perhaps it was quite an interesting social experiment on how people will believe complete nonsense if told it by authority figures and that message is reinforced over and over again. But then again nothing like that could happen in real life, could it?

254838 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #561 of 1705 🔗

One interesting thing was that the participants went along with it but, when it was revealed they didn’t seem all that surprised… same applies on covid too I think.

254855 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #562 of 1705 🔗

I remember that program. It really was interesting. Some of the participants really did think they were in a space ship in space. Amazing how they fell for it.

254873 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #563 of 1705 🔗

Derren Brown convinced a bloke there had been a zombie apocalypse! and got some people to rob a security van, he must think all this is a piece of piss..

254874 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #564 of 1705 🔗

Very pertinent. Plato’s allegory of the cave again, or Jean Baudrillard’s ‘ Simulacra and Simulation’:

Simulacra and Simulation is most known for its discussion of symbols, signs, and how they relate to contemporaneity (simultaneous existences). Baudrillard claims that our current society has replaced all reality and meaning with symbols and signs, and that human experience is a simulation of reality.

Moreover, these simulacra are not merely mediations of reality, nor even deceptive mediations of reality; they are not based in a reality nor do they hide a reality, they simply hide that nothing like reality is relevant to our current understanding of our lives.

The simulacra that Baudrillard refers to are the significations and symbolism of culture and media that construct perceived reality, the acquired understanding by which our lives and shared existence is and are rendered legible.

Baudrillard believed that society has become so saturated with these simulacra and our lives so saturated with the constructs of society that all meaning was being rendered meaningless by being infinitely mutable; he called this phenomenon the “precession of simulacra”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation

255430 ▶▶ John P, replying to Freecumbria, #565 of 1705 🔗

The Doctor Who serial Invasion of the Dinosaurs (1974) was based on just this sort of idea.

254745 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 17, #566 of 1705 🔗

“From the towns all Inns have been driven: from the villages most…. Change your hearts or you will lose your Inns and you will deserve to have lost them. But when you have lost your Inns drown your empty selves, for you will have lost the last of England.”

255517 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to nickbowes, 1, #567 of 1705 🔗

When I lived in Cheltenham in an area with lots of small terraced houses, now full of students, I had 2 pubs at the end of my street, and another one in the next street. They were not frequented by students, but still managed to keep going. I do not understand the policy of closing down pubs, which are such an important part of British culture, known and loved all over the world.

254747 Ben, replying to Ben, 15, #568 of 1705 🔗

I admire Sue Cook. Ex BBC, highly respected and unafraid to question the prevailing narrative

https://twitter.com/SueC00K/status/1317384055474761728?s=20

254763 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 5, #569 of 1705 🔗

And remember – don’t have nightmares just because you’re trapped in a totalitarian dystopian society all of a sudden with no means of escape! (to adapt the Crimewatch catchphrase).

255023 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 1, #570 of 1705 🔗

Jill Dando was on CrimeWatch.

255030 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, #571 of 1705 🔗

Yes, after Sue Cook..I think they dropped the catchphrase after she was murdered.

254751 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #572 of 1705 🔗
254791 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, -5, #573 of 1705 🔗

LS readers didn’t like the Covid symptom study a few weeks back. I suspect they might find it a bit more credible now.

Actually, Tim Spector who runs the the study has been criticising the decision to introduce the lockdown on November 4th. His current thinking on the pandemic appears similar to Carl Heneghan’s (and mine as it happens).

254822 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, #574 of 1705 🔗

I have been using their app religiously since Day 1. I had strong doubts about them at one point, and up to a point still do, but was pleasantly surprised when Spector spoke up in the way that he did.

254866 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 1, #575 of 1705 🔗

I have used it from the beginning. I thought it was a hangover tracker over the summer. But I think they’ve got it about right in the peaks. Interrogating their data makes it look like herd immunity is approaching (go from symptomatics to total exposed). And Spector has been ‘off-narrative’ which makes me think his own integrity and that of his work is uppermost in his mind

254875 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mayo, #576 of 1705 🔗

I’m not convinced by it even now, it’s just one data stream amongst many and as I understand it takes a large number of symptom reports and extrapolates the infected number out from a smaller number of swab tests, which is yet another form of modelling, but it does seem to be accurate at predicting rises and falls and is broadly in agreement with many other sources.

254879 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #577 of 1705 🔗

My feeling is they get around false positives by only looking at symptomatics and positive tests. They then find out what symptoms correlate with +ve tests and track the symptoms. May be some cross-over with normal colds and flu, but then they are similar. They found the loss of taste and smell which is genuinely useful information

If you integrate the number of asymptomatics over time – I get about 5-10 million. Multiply by 4 (say 75% are asymptomatic or otherwise immune) and get 20-40 million. Considering they only look at 20-69 year olds this is both close to herd immunity and explains the current (pre-lockdown) fall even as we progress through winter

255237 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Mayo, #578 of 1705 🔗

Data is following the ONS survey data and REACT: Tiers have reduced infection pressures. Lockdown might have additional effects prior to the Christmas rush (which won’t show until mid Jan).

254755 Stuart, 8, #579 of 1705 🔗

Relaxed rules at Christmas may mean tough January lockdown, says The Times.

Extended and toughened lockdown is of course essential throughout the Brexit Implementation Period starting on January 1st.

Covid is the perfect facilitator to Get Brexit Done.

254756 Mark, 7, #580 of 1705 🔗

You’re Being Led Down the Garden Path by the Chief Medical Officer of Hell
LOL! While that’s a great turn of phrase, I’m pretty sure what the speaker actually says was: “Chief Medical Officer of Health of this province”.

254757 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 18, #581 of 1705 🔗

Surprise, surprise. Masks have little or no efficacy. So the planets were not disturbed when a study of U.S. Marine Corps recruits, who wore *double-layered cloth masks* in *supervised quarantine* under *militaristic conditions*, found that the number who ‘tested positive for SARS-CoV-2’ was *higher* than was the case for non-participants in the study:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717

But government will carry on with this utter folly regardless. The cretinous muppets are in too deep.

254824 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to common conservative, 4, #582 of 1705 🔗

They are making too much money out of PPE contracts. Somebody today has already mentioned the expenses scandal, this is no different just dressed up as a pandemic and happening under the guise of self and hasty, sorry health and safety.

The health and safety narrative has been pushed for years and now they are reaping the rewards. Rich get richer…..

254857 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to stefarm, 2, #583 of 1705 🔗

Exactly. This is a gravy train that will only exhaust when the money does. Damage be damned

254760 paologrigio, replying to paologrigio, 1, #584 of 1705 🔗

Will the announcer on BBC2 this evening say, at 8pm, “we’ve got a change to the advertised programme” & they’ll show something else instead of Lockdown 1, following the science?” . That way they demonstrate their ability to control the narrative whilst simultaneously making any of us who cry foul looking more like rabid conspiracy theorists…..

254804 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to paologrigio, 10, #585 of 1705 🔗

If you’re watching BBC you’ve only got yourself to blame.

255920 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to G.Fawkes, #586 of 1705 🔗

What’s the BBC?

254768 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #587 of 1705 🔗

Latest study flagged up by Ivor Cummins showing no benefit from lockdowns:

Covid-19 Mortality: A Matter of Vulnerability Among Nations Facing Limited Margins of Adaptation
Results: Higher Covid death rates are observed in the [25/65°] latitude and in the [−35/−125°] longitude ranges. The national criteria most associated with death rate are life expectancy and its slowdown, public health context (metabolic and non-communicable diseases (NCD) burden vs. infectious diseases prevalence), economy (growth national product, financial support), and environment (temperature, ultra-violet index). Stringency of the measures settled to fight pandemia, including lockdown, did not appear to be linked with death rate.
Conclusion: Countries that already experienced a stagnation or regression of life expectancy, with high income and NCD rates, had the highest price to pay. This burden was not alleviated by more stringent public decisions. Inherent factors have predetermined the Covid-19 mortality: understanding them may improve prevention strategies by increasing population resilience through better physical fitness and immunity.

254843 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Mark, 1, #588 of 1705 🔗

Thank you for this reference. Points up how any new disease will likely give high mortality among compromised (old, obese, immunocompromised etc) populations, whose lives thus far have been prolonged by living in developed countries with good health care.

255324 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sylvie, #589 of 1705 🔗

Better health, more vulnerable to disease. It’s almost like you can’t really win for long…..

254776 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 94, #590 of 1705 🔗

FACT: Hospitals have been struggling for years and years, its nothing new.
FACT: People die sometimes, for all kinds of reasons, sometimes even new born babies die, as sad and tragic as it is.
FACT: The virus is not deadly, most people don’t show any symptoms at all, and those that become ill recover, those that die are not dying solely from a virus, their immune systems are shattered from already existing health issues.
FACT: If it was deadly, you wouldn’t need a test to see if you had it!
FACT: we live in a sea of pathogens, germs, viruses, always have done always will do. Even the bubonic plague still exists, albeit laying dormant somewhere.
FACT: Trying to control a virus is like trying to control the wind.
FACT: You are been led by science fiction.
FACT: Journalism is non existent in today’s media, anything that or anyone (regardless of their experience, expertise, and qualifications) who questions government narrative is censored and ridiculed.
FACT: Without the relentless media FEAR peddling, life would be as normal.
FACT: the testing is unreliable and far from accurate.
FACT: new “cases” are not cases.
FACT: the modelling that determines the numbers of new cases is as unreliable and inaccurate as the testing itself.
FACT: viruses don’t comply with man made modelling and forecasts based on science fiction.
FACT: The death figures are been greatly exaggerated read the BBC small print “deaths for ANY reason 28 days after testing +”
FACT: The BBC, Ch4 “news”, SKY “news”, facebook, Twatter, Utube etc are despicable propaganda machines.
FACT: This extreme censorship and control of what information you are allowed to see and not see is akin to fascism, it’s the exact opposite of freedom of speech and been unbiased, it is to journalism what Dr Shipman was to medicine. It’s akin to burning books.
FACT: Masks do zilch in stopping the spread of sub microscopic viruses.
FACT: Mask wearing is a symbol, an affirmation and acceptance of FEAR, a symbol of submission to authority.
FACT: These lockdowns will and are doing far more damage than any virus, lockdown deaths.
FACT: These lockdowns are an attack on the working class and an attack on what it means to be human.
FACT: Lockdowns and undemocratic dystopian imposed restriction disproportionately affect the poor, the rich won’t suffer much impact.
FACT: No government on planet earth gives a flying fuck about people dying!
FACT: Billionaires and their big Corporations have been getting massive government welfare during this lockdown, TFL was recently given near on 2 Billion to keep afloat! The peasants have been thrown a few crumbs, but wait while the furlough system and rent, mortgage holidays cease. We will see mass unemployment and mass poverty, which in itself will do far more damage than any virus.
FACT: Been compliant with this sinister agenda will leave a long lasting and long damaging legacy to your children, you should be ashamed!
FACT: If a BBC Shill announced that government advisors say the virus can’t operate below a metre and people should crawl about on their hands and knees, you would see people outside crawling about on their hands and knees.
FACT: People would happily march into concentration camps if they thought it would save them from a “deadly” virus which kills a small percentage of the population.
FACT: People are begging for more restrictions, begging for more damaging lockdowns, and calling for those who don’t comply to be punished more severely. Snitching on their neighbours because they had one more visitor than “allowed”
Maybe people are destined to become fearful, timid, compliant, submissive, unthinking, cattle like sheep ready to serve their masters and believe any shite that they are told? Maybe people are not worth saving? I don’t know why I waste my time trying to make people think for themselves and question more?

254814 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Janice21, 18, #591 of 1705 🔗

Could you please take over fact-checking from BBC Reality Check, then we might get some facts rather than tendentious interpretation, opinion and point scoring.

255853 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to OKUK, 1, #592 of 1705 🔗

BBC Reality Check, funded by BMGF.

254852 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Janice21, 3, #593 of 1705 🔗

Sorry downvoted you by mistake and my phone won’t let me reverse it!

Edit: it has now.

255078 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Janice21, 5, #594 of 1705 🔗

FACT: we live in a sea of pathogens, germs, viruses, always have done always will do. Even the bubonic plague still exists, albeit laying dormant somewhere.

Bubonic plague isn’t dormant. Thousands of cases are reported to the World Health Organisation most years.

255118 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Janice21, 6, #595 of 1705 🔗

Whilst I was digging a big pit this morning, a thought came into my head, why is nowhere announcing home many people got better, left ICU cured, out of x tested 93% were found healthy, every day and celebrating that? Why is it only negative news? Why because it is all a plan, we here know it is but the ones in masks are glass half empty type who are all on permanent downers so just feeding them bad needs reaffirms their outlook.

255145 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Iansn, 4, #596 of 1705 🔗

I’ve stopped looking at the stats now except for Euromomo death scores. I used to look at other stats but no longer trust the figures (which is why CEBM no longer do daily figures). It was noticable that from the start UK did not provide recovered figures. see https://ncov2019.live/data

255326 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Iansn, 4, #597 of 1705 🔗

Listening to Planet Normal this morning (a Telegraph podcast, but I don’t think you have to be a Telegraph subscriber), apparently approx. 1000 virus patients a day are currently being released.

I think that roughly matches those in hospital with the virus. No wonder they don’t report it, as it is more evidence that the virus is not to be feared.

255859 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #598 of 1705 🔗

If the virus was truly to be feared, we wouldn’t need the government and BBC to tell us. Covid-19 may be 99% hoax, but much likely the reality is 100%.

255502 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Janice21, 2, #599 of 1705 🔗

OUR SURVEY SAID: “Spot on Son!”

254786 clodaghlaw, replying to clodaghlaw, 6, #600 of 1705 🔗

Interesting since the mandatory wearing of masks the so called ‘cases’ have risen exponentially! For more on masks see
https://lbry.tv/@BNN:6/Banned-from-YouTube-America's-Frontline-Doctors-Hold-2nd-Summit-in-DC:9

254793 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to clodaghlaw, 11, #601 of 1705 🔗

I had suspected this. I mean if the virus is spread through breath droplets, then constantly putting on your mask and having your hands near your mouth can then spread it via whatever you touch? People constantly touching them and handling them just adds to more germs being spread surely? Just my thoughts.

254805 ▶▶▶ Klein, replying to Janice21, 15, #602 of 1705 🔗

Janice if I ever get questioned for not mask wearing, that is one point I’ll bring up –

“We were told months ago that masks aren’t a good idea because people touch their mask and face, and therefore spread contamination via their hands. Has that somehow changed? Because every fucker I see is fiddling with their masks, utterly defeating the purpose of washing your hands.”

254846 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Klein, #603 of 1705 🔗

Exactly!

255121 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Janice21, 1, #604 of 1705 🔗

its getting cold now so you can see your breath when you breath out, the next cold morning breathe out and see just how it percolates into the air, then don a mask and repeat. Game over.

255754 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Iansn, #605 of 1705 🔗

Yes really that might mean something to the sheeple. So obvious.

duh look at the breath, durrrr coming out the sides….drool.

254863 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to clodaghlaw, 8, #606 of 1705 🔗

According to Whitty the measures in place for the first lockdown were successful in reducing the virus.

Which means no masks, no track and trace and no testing outside of hospitals.

We changed all that so according to Whitty logic this means things should be worse.

254796 mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #607 of 1705 🔗

interesting mini series documentary on C5 about the Great Plague 1665.
too many attempted comparisons to current covid pandemic in terms of seriousness. (ie comparing a highly contagious and fatal epidemic to a cold virus).
However lots of interesting detail that aligns to the illogical panic and ignorance of covid

255005 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mjr, 1, #608 of 1705 🔗

In 1347 a novel disease arrived in Europe. It killed populations in massive numbers. There was much fear and panic. The king of France called on the continent’s most learned experts to study the disease and recommend actions for the well-being of the people. The experts found that washing, especially bathing rendered people susceptible and they advised that no one wash. This expert advice for centuries resulted in Europeans avoiding washing like the plague.

The notion that Vallance and Whitty and the rest are any less likely to be pushing false and counter-productive advice requires a degree of trust in the wisdom of experts that is unwarranted.

255075 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to mjr, 1, #609 of 1705 🔗

The Great plague of 1665 killed about 15% of the population. In Eyam, it killed 80%.
The earlier Black Death of the 1300s killed 30-60% of the world’s population.

So far, CV19 has been associated with around 1.2 million people, out of a population of 7-8 billion, or 1 in 7-8000. It’s not even in the same league.
The main thing it’s killed is the economy and people’s reason for living.

255543 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lms23, #610 of 1705 🔗

Today I was accused of killing “hundreds of thousands people” by not wearing a face covering.
If people want to have a discussion, be reasonable.

254800 Klein, replying to Klein, 14, #611 of 1705 🔗

Just remembered another phrase that fucks me off – from the school of dressing up draconian diktat to sound less oppressive –

“package of measures” as in “these are component parts of the latest package of measures to control the virus” … fuck off

254820 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Klein, 9, #612 of 1705 🔗

All part of the Talking To The British Public As If They Are Imbeciles strategy…

254856 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #613 of 1705 🔗

It’s working.

255073 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Klein, #614 of 1705 🔗

Indeed. ‘Package’, like it’s some kind of present. One full of shit.

255122 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Poppy, 2, #615 of 1705 🔗

My pet hate is ‘going forward’
No one in the media says ‘in the future’ any more. 😳

255547 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Marialta, #616 of 1705 🔗

My english teacher friend hates “reverse backwards”.

255123 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Klein, #617 of 1705 🔗

Of course they are not controlling the virus, they are controlling the people.

254815 A. Contrarian, 1, #618 of 1705 🔗
254818 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #619 of 1705 🔗

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/most-scots-think-nicola-sturgeon-23034280

Most Scottish people think that El Presidente Sturgeon is handling the “pandemic crisis” well!!!

I for one do not think that. Who the fuck do they survey for this shit???
I’ve never been asked what I think.

254825 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #620 of 1705 🔗

Study by BBC Scotland. Hmmm.

254831 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #621 of 1705 🔗

They make it up. It’s called propaganda.

254839 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #622 of 1705 🔗

Not necessarily in that sense – there may be some non-compliance, but I don’t see any concerted rebellion against the essentials of enslavement.

254853 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #623 of 1705 🔗

I think the only people who have the time and inclination to answer such studies are the craven covidologists wimpering in their woodsheds, everybody else is too busy getting a life to bother with such tosh

254854 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #624 of 1705 🔗

Opinion polls have been weaponised to make you think there’s more support for this malarkey than there is in reality.

254860 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #625 of 1705 🔗

Agreed although 72% approval is ludicrous. I’m beginning to think the Union is only saveable via: (a) Sunak (b) Sturgeon gone (c) Pandemic forgotten

254923 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #626 of 1705 🔗

Number of people polled: 1037

Population of Scotland (2019): 5,463,300

Hmmm….. I think I see the problem.

254927 ▶▶ mjr, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #627 of 1705 🔗

bbc4 repeating “yes prime minister” episode 2 shown tuesday 17th.
shows how polls can be manipulated
extract here

yes minister always a good reminder of how incompetent government has always been

255018 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mjr, #628 of 1705 🔗

I think it shows how devious than can be

255337 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to mjr, #629 of 1705 🔗

Just re-watching it on DVD – more like a documentary and it is funny – much needed relief at the moment.

255066 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #630 of 1705 🔗

I don’t suppose Neil Oliver has been asked what HE thinks either. He’s well cheesed off, and well worth listening to on Talk Radio.

255084 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Banjones, 1, #631 of 1705 🔗

Yes, his latest appearance here

255538 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to AnotherSceptic, #632 of 1705 🔗

I don’t. She’s nothing short of a wee power hungry dictator and she’s NOT got everyone thinking she’s handling this shit well.

I have 3 adult children and one adult grandchild and not a single one of them believes this dross she’s dishing out. My family are just ignoring the whole lot of it. Then again they’re all employed in an essential service and have worked through all of this.

I would love an opportunity to fill in a survey but I don’t think they would like my answers.

254828 leggy, replying to leggy, 11, #633 of 1705 🔗

I see the Danish mask study hit the Mail – it managed to lie completely in it’s headline though:

Face masks do NOT protect the wearer from coronavirus, but will stop them from infecting other people , Danish study finds
I thought it said that they did not (could not) measure that, but what do I know.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8962397/Danish-study-finds-face-masks-provide-limited-protection-wearer.html

254830 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to leggy, 1, #634 of 1705 🔗

So it’s as good as a condom with a hole in it! 😉

254837 ▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 1, #635 of 1705 🔗

You’re right – report it to the ‘misinformation’ police! I’m sure they will rush to get it corrected. 🙂

254842 ▶▶ kf99, replying to leggy, 7, #636 of 1705 🔗

Such a shame they couldn’t have extended follow-up to look at longer term health problems. Quite an important issue – “Long Mask” we could call it

255034 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kf99, 3, #637 of 1705 🔗

Excellent, Kf99.

I am going to start using that right now e.g.
“have you considered long mask though ?”
“aren’t you worried about long mask ?”
“what about long mask ?”
etc.

254845 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to leggy, 5, #638 of 1705 🔗

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020Come up for review after 6 Months which will be 24th January. Statutory Instruments (SIs) made under the Public Health Act are a bit dubious in any case but even so there is quite a high bar to justify making such an SI, there needs to be a serious and imminent public health threat. I think we need to be ready to challenge this SI when it comes up for review.
Is there such a threat? does this SI actually do anythinhg to address this threat?

254840 Ms Maxine Shaverin, 12, #639 of 1705 🔗

I have not shaken from my original thoughts back at the end of March this year. A virus is a natural phenomena and Govts are not god. Nor is the virus a dog which can be controlled by anyone other than god (not religious by the way).

Initially I thought Govts were being mislead, then I hoped that they were just being incompetent. As time passed and their efforts at ‘control’ become increasingly ridiculous; rules and laws to control what the population thinks, believes, how they should act and worse what is available information wise along with extreme efforts to denounce anyone who dares to question the public mantra along with the blatant and evident lies about not only their data, their projections and data analysis can only lead one to lose any trust, disbelieve anything that comes out of their mouths and suspect that one or more of those who stand to benefit from prolonging this madness have a hold and are adamant that they are not letting go. Surely, they are not so sufficiently stupid and incompetent to not be backtracking just to save face given the consequences. Surely there has to be something stronger than that to force them to continue and I find it very difficult to believe that this is because all politicians truly believe in what they are being fed because most are being fed what their parties want them to hear. I am sure that alike how you have some in the NHS who believe that this thing is still going to kill everyone and that masks do work; politicians are exactly the same.

But so many different factions with their own interests and benefits to gain from this starting with scientists themselves who have believed for the past 40 years or so that there will be another ‘big event’ and have been looking to make anything which could resemble that, be that ‘big event’, hence why they thought Aids, Ebola and SARS were going to be ‘that big event’ which would give certain scientists kudos, fame and power. They were wrong each time then, they are wrong now. Perhaps the saddest thing is that mother nature has her own ways of population control and if we survive this insanity with any resemblance of our old lives to make life worth living once more; what they have achieved is ensuring that next time, nobody will believe them. They really are on a win win strategy and our challenge is how, together, we overcome that. Interestingly I was delivering a lecture on unethical leaders last night and was reminded of this model of what enables destructive leaders, link provided as it will not let me paste.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-toxic-triangle-elements-in-three-domains-related-to-destructive-leadership_fig2_292947814

We can seek to break their conducive environment by removing the perceived threat and re-instating the checks and balances but we also have to work on the conformers and colluders. We need a strategy. We need to come together. We need to do this quietly – surprise attack whilst continuing to fight their expected battles

254849 Ben, 9, #640 of 1705 🔗
254878 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #641 of 1705 🔗

Ken Bruce BBC R2 asked a Scottish woman how she was getting on with lockdown.

“Well Ken I’m ‘ skunnered ‘ with it by now”.
Ken let it pass, translation please.

254881 ▶▶ Liam, replying to karenovirus, 4, #642 of 1705 🔗

“Annoyed, discontented or bored, nauseated or disgusted.”

255116 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Liam, #643 of 1705 🔗

Blimey, no wonder Ken let it pass without telling us, sneaked it past the censor.

254925 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 1, #644 of 1705 🔗

Well you know I am stupefied and stunned and gobsmacked by the government’s policies in relation to COVID, you know I am just waiting for it all to be over and done with.
My good man.

254994 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #645 of 1705 🔗

I wonder how Zen he is these days?

255112 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, #646 of 1705 🔗

Thank you, what an excellent word.

254883 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #647 of 1705 🔗

“However, due to low virus prevalence these figures correspond to only 53 and 42 participants (out of 3000 in each group, so 6000 in total) respectively so the authors had to state that the result is not statistically significant (too few infections to be confident it’s not random).”

Unless you are collecting such data on a new vaccine.
Then and there, 95 people out of 43.000 are all of a sudden not random but statistically relevant. ..

254911 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #648 of 1705 🔗

Indeed. I made that very same pojy yesterday.

It’s expected now. No need to follow science anymore it’s about polticial battles. It’s not a virus, it’s a coup d’etat. It’s not public health, it control. It’s not save a granny, it’s domestic terrorism.

255276 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Jay Berger, #649 of 1705 🔗

Mask study is the chance of flipping 42/95 heads (quite likely)
Vaccine study is the chance of flipping 5/95 heads (very unlikely)

The chance of seeing the mask effect by chance is about 1/3 times. Normal statistical significace is set (by convention) at 1/20 times. There is nothing magical about 1/20. The vaccine trial result would be expected to occur by chance about 5/10….00 <- thirty-one zero times.

The size of the study just reflects how many event one needs. The mask study needed a LOT more than 6000 (more like 60,000) to be confident that the effect was unlikely by chance.

254887 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 4, #650 of 1705 🔗
  1. Make a resolution leading up to Christmas (not just for new year) to not part with a single penny knowingly towards supranational companies like Amazon, and avoid the big supermarkets as much as possible.
  2. Start using cash again.
  3. Don’t talk of the “Corona Crisis” – talk of the global government crisis.

Please feel free to add to this list – we’re looking to promote optimism here!

255041 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to J4mes, #651 of 1705 🔗

crisis of liberal democracies. can’t cope with a cold in winter

255639 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to J4mes, #652 of 1705 🔗

Do not wear a mask – wear a smile.
A human face is glorious – don’t hide it

254888 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 1, #653 of 1705 🔗

Can anyone post the video of the American woman admitting that someone who died in a car crash, but had been tested positive for covid, would be put down as a covid death? I can’t find it for the life of me.

254997 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to John Galt, #654 of 1705 🔗

Was it related to the Florida motorcycle death business?

Or maybe related to Rebekah Jones (Florida data-manipulation whistle blower)?

254892 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #656 of 1705 🔗

I’m 4 hours into an 8 hour zoom meeting.

Can someone post a joke?

254896 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to steve_w, 1, #657 of 1705 🔗
254903 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #658 of 1705 🔗

too late 🙁

254908 ▶▶ anon, replying to steve_w, 6, #659 of 1705 🔗

want to hear a covid joke? you won’t get it

254910 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to anon, #660 of 1705 🔗

very good.

my favourite (which I read on here)

Q: Why do people wear masks on their own in cars?
A: Stops them licking the windows

254917 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to steve_w, #661 of 1705 🔗

Also on here I think, someone during a zoom meeting shouted over his shoulder: can someone get the bloody peacock off the Porsche.

254922 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steve_w, #662 of 1705 🔗

Try stapling your eyelids to your desk, might help liven thing up a bit. If you aren’t into all the blood and pain, you could see if by the end of the day you could selotape your head to you desk instead.

254926 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Two-Six, #663 of 1705 🔗

Its ok, I’m mainly listening, posting on here and analysing covid data from various sources. Occasionally I unmute and say something to pretend I’m listening

254934 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to steve_w, 1, #664 of 1705 🔗
254940 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DJ Dod, #665 of 1705 🔗

very good 🙂

254945 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DJ Dod, #666 of 1705 🔗

Master Signwriter

254941 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to steve_w, 8, #667 of 1705 🔗

Why did the French Chef commit suicide?

He lost d’huile d’olive

254953 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to PompeyJunglist, #668 of 1705 🔗

I like that

255026 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, 4, #669 of 1705 🔗

.

254893 malasdair, replying to malasdair, 9, #670 of 1705 🔗

Here’s a quote from a Bloomberg article about the ban on exercise etc. in South Australia…

“Victoria is proof that hard lockdowns do work. The state, which saw a daily peak of around 700 infections in August, has now gone 20 days without new cases.”

The ‘journalist’ is either being obtuse or is clueless if he thinks that the ONLY possible cause for a reduction in infections is because of the lockdown. It’s frightening to think that many a reader will accept that without giving it a second thought.

254944 ▶▶ Liam, replying to malasdair, 10, #671 of 1705 🔗

Respiratory infections fell as Australia moved out of winter? Astounding!

254950 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Liam, 6, #672 of 1705 🔗

yes, funny how no european country ‘got out of control’ in summer. almost like its seasonal

255003 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to malasdair, 3, #673 of 1705 🔗

Victoria had the most stringent lockdown in Australia, and the highest infection and death rate. Hardly a success.

255161 ▶▶ Ben, replying to malasdair, #674 of 1705 🔗

*cases*

I want to know what their other stats are: heart disease, cancer etc..

255563 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to malasdair, #675 of 1705 🔗

I am not up to date with rules in Australia, they have banned exercise? Just heard something today from a person in Montana that being able to go to the gym this year has kept him sane.

254899 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #676 of 1705 🔗

Our friend Edmunds, reassuring us that there will be no more lockdowns after Christmas – we won’t be allowed to see friends and family in our own homes of course, but that’s fine, it’s not actually a lockdown is it? Practically back to normal in fact.

I also like his wording (bold is mine). “Test them and if they are clear allow them to go about their normal business”. For a start, there is no “normal business” if you’re not allowed to interact with other human beings or go to work. But also, “them”? The plebs? The idiot public? This doesn’t apply to me of course, I’m special and important and superior, but I will allow them to leave their houses if I see fit.

There will be no more full-blown lockdowns after Christmas, paving the return of the tiered system instead, a Sage scientist has said.
Professor John Edmunds suggested that “exactly what is in tier two and above” would be sufficient to keep on top of the virus, despite fears that loosening restrictions for the festive period might result in a long period of tighter measures.
Yesterday PHE said modelling showed that for every one day of lockdown being lifted, five days of restrictions would be required.
But while Prof Edmunds said some measures would need to be in place, the most draconian measures such as closing non-essential retail could be rolled back.
“I still think we will have to have restrictions in place,” he told ITV’s Peston. “I think we will be asked to work from home wherever we can, with restrictions in meeting families – exactly what is in Tier 2 and above
“With a little window over Christmas where I am sure things will relax to some extent.”
He also suggested self-isolation could be cut to seven days, test them “and if they are clear allow them to go about their normal business”.

254906 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #677 of 1705 🔗

PHE modelling was the mad one – 10 trillion deaths a day – and there was a pretty high bar. Anything they say can be safely ignored.

255021 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #678 of 1705 🔗

Hang on though – this is a softening of the line, could this be an ending to the nonsense. Given that people haven’t been “obeying” this current lockdown particularly, lower restrictions will also be flouted. This could lead to rules in name only.

254902 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 39, #679 of 1705 🔗

SAGE just can’t help themselves with the emotional blackmail. Apparently a few days at Christmas ‘isn’t worth a January of burying family and friends’. As if daring to spend Christmas with those I love will result in an 100% chance of them dying. A deeply disingenuous binary.

All the public has to do is ask themselves a simple question: If this was really about a deadly virus, would the government and its Victor Frankensteins really be quibbling about how many days to let the plebs out for, emotionally blackmailing and humiliating the public, and treating them like naughty children?

The fact that government scientists are resorting to such blatant emotional blackmail instead of facts and data is actually a cause for optimism because it shows they are losing the argument.

254914 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 10, #680 of 1705 🔗

There is no argument to win unfortunately. They dictate we comply. End of.

254998 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 5, #681 of 1705 🔗

It’s the dictating part that will be their undoing

255009 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #682 of 1705 🔗

I do hope so.

254915 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Poppy, 6, #683 of 1705 🔗

These people should be writing headlines for the Sun, not providing scientific advice to the nation! Despicable.

254942 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Poppy, 3, #684 of 1705 🔗

Yes yes. Let’s hold onto that. They are losing the argument!

254905 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #685 of 1705 🔗

Who have the largest vaccine portfolios?

254912 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #686 of 1705 🔗

Why do we have more than the US and the EU!!!

254968 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JHuntz, 2, #687 of 1705 🔗

££££££s!

255580 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JHuntz, 1, #688 of 1705 🔗

I do not understand this government. Britain once was an Empire, Ok, so they got it by killing natives, enslavement and exploitation, but even in recent history Britain was an important country in world politics and economy.
I remember the first time I was in London as a 14y old, on a language holiday from Germany, I was nearly moved to tears of being in a world famous city. A country and a city people aspired to live in as it was presumed to be a good, functioning democracy, where one could make a good living with friendly people. People respected the BBC for doing well researched, unbiased news.
This country has gone to ground, they carry out far more testing – consequently more +results, and bought more vaccines than the rest of Europe. What has got them so blinded to see another perspective?
I have lived here over 20 years and do not feel at home in Germany anymore, but I am so glad I have a German passport and the chance to escape this shit show if I need to.

254967 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #689 of 1705 🔗

A fascinating graphic, BeBop.

It doesn’t take much to analyse the motivation behind the vaccine stitch-up.

255012 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #690 of 1705 🔗

Bloody hell! No wonder they want to vax us all – what is the government going to do with all the spares if they don’t?

The really telling figure is that of China – why are they not interested in vaccine for their population – probably as they have recognised the truth about the virus.

254909 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 4, #691 of 1705 🔗

Been watching India’s cases for a while. This looks like it’s going to turn out to be a classic Gompertz curve, could this be the reason?

If the Ct value is between 20 and 25, home isolation can be advised, but the patient must be monitored online. Hospitalisation is a must where the value is less than 20.

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/77956302.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

As far as I am aware the UK Ct is 45 and we have a false positive epidemic.

Does any of this make sense or have I lost the plot?

254918 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jonny S., #692 of 1705 🔗

India testing is miniscule in comparison to population size. I expect its just who are they targetting for testing and where.

They could also lose 0.9% of their population and barely notice. 2 people die in a village rather than 1? Of course, IFR is lower, especially for their lower aged population.

Life expectancy in India is 14 years below the average age of a covid death in UK

254970 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to steve_w, #693 of 1705 🔗

Thanks Steve. I understand with a population of Approx. 1.3 billion the testing is small, however the graph for cases and deaths attributed to corona match very well. It seems that they have got a testing regime that is much more accurate than ours.

254978 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jonny S., #694 of 1705 🔗

It could well be accurate for the middle class in the cities

255004 ▶▶▶▶ jojo, replying to Jonny S., #695 of 1705 🔗

https://www.covid19india.org/ has detailed data on India’s situation.

India’s average life expectancy is 69.16 years only. Though India has 1.3B population, only six percent are of the age 65 and above.

255074 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to jojo, 1, #696 of 1705 🔗

Thanks JoJo. That’s got me even more interested. Just found this quote and although applied to mathematics it could just as easily apply to the data coming out of India.
Beauty is the first test; there is no permanent place in the world for ugly mathematics,” G. H. Hardy (1877-1947)

254972 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jonny S., #697 of 1705 🔗

FYI, page 8 of this NHS document suggests (but does not mandate) that <40 Ct is the upper limit. It’s from March though, so pinch of salt and all that.

254982 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jonny S., #698 of 1705 🔗

interestingly from worldometers, CFR is about 1%.

254913 Cheezilla, 6, #699 of 1705 🔗

Randox has hired a well-paid and well-connected consultant to advise it – the Conservative MP and former minister Owen Paterson – who is paid £100,000 a year for his services.

“Services” indeed!

254919 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #700 of 1705 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/coronavirus-ireland-households-are-new-hotbeds-for-virus-as-covid-deaths-surpass-2000-39764629.html

TLDR households are the current main source of COVID19 cases in Ireland but everyone must stay at home.

255006 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #701 of 1705 🔗

Brilliant isn’t it. These guys are out of control. Love this bit from the article – an example of throwing in the kitchen sink?:

It comes as new evidence shows that people are at higher risk of picking up Covid-19 if they are indoors for a long time with a large number of others shouting and singing, combined with poor ventilation and little use of face masks.

254920 DRW, replying to DRW, 34, #702 of 1705 🔗

Hi everyone. Once again, thank you for your responses. I am going through a lot
lately with the joke that it is Zoom University (not many are bothering with actual
“classes” anymore) and my mum’s funeral- I’m fine with my former colleagues being braindead sheep but your family is a much harder pill to swallow. And that has deeply coloured my pessimistic perspective. My family has always got me to appreciate nature but yesterday I couldn’t, even in a spared area it just looked as worthless as everything else. I fear that even if we do win, we still lose everything that made life worth living.

Still you guys have kept me going.

254933 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 16, #703 of 1705 🔗

One day at a time DRW.
We’re all with you in spirit.

254937 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to DRW, 10, #704 of 1705 🔗

I’m so sorry to hear of your pain. It is very hard losing a parent and I have lost both. One this year.

And to have to experience this digitised distant learning experience is so very hard.

I know you will feel that there are dark days and times. Some days you will get glimmers of light.

If there’s a chance for you to move your body or breathe some cold fresh air. Just for a moment… allow the goodness into you.

I hope your difficult feelings pass soon. Both the good and the bad and all that’s inbetween passes through. Transitions. But what’s underneath is only love and light. The strongest of all.

Take care x

254938 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to DRW, 11, #705 of 1705 🔗

I’m working from home and looking out the window at fields, sheep, trees. They don’t care about covid. This is a temporary human insanity. I feel like I’ve gone to church for a wedding and someone has collapsed to the floor speaking in tongues. Its fucking stupid and I’m looking on thinking what a twat. But I’m not depressed

254955 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 12, #706 of 1705 🔗

Was worried about you

Klaus Schwab, Bill and Melinda Gates, Tony Blair, the psychopaths at SAGE, the banks, corrupt politicians – none of them own the sunrise or the sound of birdsong. They are unable to impose restrictions on nature

254995 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, 4, #707 of 1705 🔗

And even if every rumour about them is true, they will still lose.

254988 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DRW, 9, #708 of 1705 🔗

Stay strong DRW. We are all here for each other and we will win through together.

254992 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DRW, 6, #709 of 1705 🔗

We will win and life is worth living. Hold fast.

255077 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, 3, #710 of 1705 🔗

Stick with us, kid! When it’s darkest (like at 4 am) I think to myself – there are people out there in the shadows working FOR us. We can’t know they’re there – but you can bet they’re doing great things. As George Orwell may have said, ”People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”.

255102 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Banjones, 3, #711 of 1705 🔗

Starting to look forward to the violence

254924 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 16, #712 of 1705 🔗

They are playing games now. What a bloody mess. The alleged scientists need to be reined in a lot. What bs are they talking about1 day of freedom = 5 days of restrictions. On what exactly are they basing that considering many countries around the world are doing fine without any of these things in place. Now we have another idiot from SAGE saying restrictions will last until the summer. So the game is to get the people so fed up that they will flock to be vaccinated just to get back to normal. Well it really is time now to really build up mass demonstrations. If we don’t do it now when will we. That idiot Starmer won’t vote against anything. Need to get a legal group together also to challenge vaccine a dCoronacirus Bill.

254961 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Dominich -, 11, #713 of 1705 🔗

Need to get a legal group together”

I do think that a legal assault is the only avenue left, given that the alleged ‘constitutional framework’ has been blown away by the big bad wolf of government. Neither the legislative forum, nor the media are providing the stringent examination that they are supposed to do.

That is my worry. The Portuguese legal system clearly has teeth – and the recent court ruling was a breath of fresh air in this foetid atmosphere of slavish compliance. But has the UK’s constitutional framework got anything like this potential balance?

Well – it is the only thing left.

254971 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 8, #714 of 1705 🔗

It wasn’t until the farmers got lawyered up that the shootings stopped during the Foot & Mouth crisis of 2002. Ferguson’s modeling would have led to every single animal being killed (and the country left without food) in order to eradicate that virus.

254974 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #715 of 1705 🔗

that was terrible. foot and mouth isn’t even that bad

255016 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to steve_w, 4, #716 of 1705 🔗

Aye it is! Ferguson’s model said every living thing would be dead within 3 months!

255036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to jb12, 5, #717 of 1705 🔗

if he’d been in prison for that, maybe we could have avoided this.

a lesson to be learned

254985 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 1, #718 of 1705 🔗

There is one more way beyond that.

254999 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Jo Dominich -, 7, #719 of 1705 🔗

1 day freedom = 5 days lockdown? Must be based on a model from the University of Guesswork (previously known as Imperial College)

255332 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to PhilipF, 2, #720 of 1705 🔗

no its the university of google and wikipedia

255007 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #721 of 1705 🔗

Bear in mind they started yesterday with 1 day of freedom = 2 days of lockdown which was later revised to 5 days. I guess the current lockdown of 28 days does not count.

255330 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Jo Dominich -, #722 of 1705 🔗

its like the catholic church now the church of Covid, with Sages Whitty and Vallance, only, allowed to consult the Oracle at Imperial. fucking health nazis

254929 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #723 of 1705 🔗

Woke Alert!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/nov/19/pandemic-could-lead-to-most-profound-shift-in-parenting-roles-since-wwii-say-experts-coronavirus

If men continued to spend more time with their children when the world finds its “new normal”, it could have a lasting positive impact, said Duncan Fisher, of the Family Initiative. “It benefits children and it benefits,” he said. “But really, it benefits men – loving relationships are fulfilling, and that is what life is all about.”

‘the world finds its “new normal”‘. What’s that? When we’ve gone full circle and men are primarily responsible for bringing up children while women are the main bread-winners?

254958 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Tenchy, 4, #724 of 1705 🔗

Ah,but it’s not all good news when spending more time at home in Wokelandia:

Widespread working from home could lead to an increase in racism and prejudice, a new report warns.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54937713

254963 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #725 of 1705 🔗

Classic BBC. They are probably ironically correct about prejudice, but it won’t be in the way they mean.

254977 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Tenchy, 4, #726 of 1705 🔗

Speaking from experience this Spring I can tell you that trying to WFH at the same time as your child is trying to learn from home is not necessarily a recipe for a loving relationship. Or are they suggesting men should give up work?

254983 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, 1, #727 of 1705 🔗

Isn’t that half a circle?

255042 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #728 of 1705 🔗

Haha, yes. Good spot.

255047 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Tenchy, 1, #729 of 1705 🔗

They should run that past the young guy who lives near me who must have jet washed and cleaned his Audi 12 times during the last Lockdown ( He lives in a small semi with Mrs and 2 kids under 10) Not sure he was feelin the lurve so much. He is back at work now (don’t know what he does) but he does look much happier now lol.

255588 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to KBuchanan, #730 of 1705 🔗

Like my friends husband, they were talking about having kids and he warned her, he is not good with babies, toddlers and younger children. I get interested from about age 5. Whenever I came to visit and took the children off her for 2 hours she was so happy! She felt like a single parent, for years.

254946 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 21, #731 of 1705 🔗

Radio 2 just now, Jeremy Vine show. Discussion with Nina Mishkov and some medic. Trying to out do each other in hysteria. JV makes no challenge. Total lockdown forever or you will kill your granny type shite. We have so lost the narrative on this. It seems to be that a version of the current lockdown is now assumed. I just can’t bear it.

254962 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PhilipF, 22, #732 of 1705 🔗

So the young are being asked to sacrifice their whole lives to protect people who’ve lived their lives

254965 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to PhilipF, 21, #733 of 1705 🔗

The problem with all these discussions is their starting point is a fallacy. That Coronavirus is an unprecedented and deadly threat. Once you remove that brick of assumption everything else falls apart. All the time you believe it your arguments, no matter how well thought through they seemingly may be, are meaningless.

254981 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Achilles, 2, #734 of 1705 🔗

Spot on

255105 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Achilles, 1, #735 of 1705 🔗

Same with Moral Maze on R 4 last night. The topic was ethics of vaccination but they never questioned the need for a Covid vaccine.

255164 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Achilles, 1, #736 of 1705 🔗

“The problem with all these discussions is their starting point is a fallacy.”

This. I learned this years ago debating religious people who were locked into a cult mindset.

Forget all the ancillary arguments. Identify the presupposition that creates their ideology . Go after that and don’t be moved from it by the appearance of strawmen arguments.

A cultist will not want to face the shifting sands their presupposition is built on. They always want to argue the strawman. Never let them. However, very quickly their argument will move into the ad hominem attack, at which point they’ve lost.

255223 ▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Mark H, #737 of 1705 🔗

‘I learned this years ago debating religious people who were locked into a cult mindset.’

Are you equating all religious belief with a ‘cult mindset’? If so, how are you defining ‘cult’?

‘Identify the presupposition that creates their ideology. Go after that and don’t be moved from it by the appearance of strawmen arguments.’

Wise words. Are you cognisant of your own presuppositions with regard to the nature of reality?

256183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to common conservative, #738 of 1705 🔗

The religious people were/are in a religious cult.

256194 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Mark H, #739 of 1705 🔗

Does that pass for a substantive response in your world? All that does is *beg the question* in favour of your unsubstantiated assertion. That’s the *very thing in question*. Are you a cretin?

Now, take my points/questions and deal with them.

254980 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PhilipF, 1, #740 of 1705 🔗

Then refuse to accept it :o))

254986 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to PhilipF, 26, #741 of 1705 🔗

I don’t watch TV. I don’t listen to radio. I don’t buy newspapers. I don’t get my news from mainstream sources, and that which I do expose myself to is all read at my own pace without emotional overtones of live media presentation or the constant hammering of headlines.

The change has been remarkable – not only do I no longer feel the anxiety or anger that such stories generate, on the odd occasion that I am exposed to live media it feels like claws digging into my brain. I can’t stand it – not because I feel all special and above it all, no, but physically cannot deal, especially adverts, they just make my skin crawl.

I’m missing nothing. Besides, they lie, manipulate, misrepresent and propagandise. After such blatent abuses, and it is deliberate psychological abuse, why do they deserve any of my time or attention? It’s like TV audiences are suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

254990 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #742 of 1705 🔗

I follow no news except that related to covid and most if that is from original sources rather than filtered by BBC. I think when covid is over I won’t follow news at all. Everything else seems so trivial.

255001 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to steve_w, 6, #743 of 1705 🔗

Indeed, they’re just pissing away the precious hours of your life on the condescending horseshit that they want you to believe for their own private (usually financial) agenda. It’s totally illogical, your time would be better spent doing a jigsaw puzzle.

255011 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #744 of 1705 🔗

I call it the ‘thinking box’. I never watched much anyway, but the best thing I ever did was stop reading newspapers, watching TV and so on. Not only did I not have my head full of bullshit, I started to see how deeply embedded it is in other people’s.

255071 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to jb12, 3, #745 of 1705 🔗

I started to see how deeply embedded it is in other people’s.”

Frightening, isn’t it? They literally create your opinions and reality.

255491 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jb12, #746 of 1705 🔗

Indeed. Shown by the numerous people at work who you just know are going to chat about the ‘topic de jour’.

255487 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #747 of 1705 🔗

I remember reading some years ago that tv watchers are literally in a trance state. Their brainwaves show this. And, in this suggestible state, normal barriers/inhibitions/logic/etc. are less active.

254973 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 12, #748 of 1705 🔗

I’ve been musing on the psychology of how the forces ranged against us have used negative labels successfully to generate mistrust , even hatred of sceptics amongst the general populace and I think it’s about time we turned the tables. My suggestion would be to refer to our”enemies’ as Anti Frees or Anti Freeze: this describes their objective as anti freedom and as everybody knows Anti freeze is extremely harmful to human beings. Thoughts?

255104 ▶▶ anon, replying to vargas99, 1, #749 of 1705 🔗

excellent!

254975 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #750 of 1705 🔗

The risk of dying with the coronavirus exactly mirrors the risk of dying even if the virus did not exist.

255000 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #751 of 1705 🔗

Some would argue that this is also proof, or at least suggests, that the virus doesn’t exist….

255015 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #752 of 1705 🔗

Iain Davies, on his blog, has an article that argues that case, using a number of authoritative sources to show that there is no scientific evidence for its existence.

However, my point is purely based on the mortality statistics produced by the Office for National Statistics, which clearly show that people die with the virus at the rate that people die from age, and the fact that the average age of coronavirus related death is greater than life expectancy. What these show is that the virus is having zero effect on mortality.

The government is violating our rights and liberties, decimating the economy, denying health care, imprisoning old vulnerable, creating a police state, hollowing out democracy and undermining the rule of law allegedly to save lives by using science to protect us from a virus that is statistically invisible. If it were not for all the hysterical fear mongering, no one would know there was a deadly virus.

255040 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #753 of 1705 🔗

Yes – the alleged C-19 mortality curve is exactly the same as the general curve.

255053 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to calchas, #754 of 1705 🔗

apart from at the low age end where covid goes to zero but normal mortality is unfortunately significant

255321 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Steve Hayes, #755 of 1705 🔗

Must be something odd about 2020 then, because in the week-ending November 6 this year, if you were over 45, you were 20% more likely to die than during the same week in any of the past ten years. By Christmas that will be 25-50% more likely.

254979 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #756 of 1705 🔗

BBC R2 Jeremy Vine
Bad Doctor Sarah Jarvis “shared family Xmas dinner will bring CARNAGE . . . the cost wont be more lockdown it will be DEATH. If Aunt Betty and granny come over you might be saying goodbye to them in February”

Dr. Colin ? after mentioning ‘disease CHURN’ tells us even with the vaccine there will be no approaching normal until late 2021 st best.

Carol wants 14 family members from 4 households for Xmas Dinner, Sally will be alone with her cats because she doesn’t have a car and thinks Carol is selfish.

254987 ▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 11, #757 of 1705 🔗

How can you listen to it?

255002 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 21, #758 of 1705 🔗

Listening/watching the bastard broadcasting company is It like sticking pins in your eyes. Dr Sarah Jarvis is POISON.

255152 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 1, #759 of 1705 🔗

Agreed but I am immune. The antidote is common sense.

255142 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CGL, #760 of 1705 🔗

For my pleasure

255172 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to karenovirus, 3, #761 of 1705 🔗

As others below say Dr Sarah Jarvis is poison. If it’s permissable to have a cleaner round who goes from house to house (and who may be there for several hours and will need to breathe) or to have builder in all day to fix your kitchen or go into Tesco then I am sure that it’s ok for Aunt Betty. As certain Scientists say, respiratory related deaths are normal for this time of year. There is however an increase of deaths from other causes. Wonder why that is!?

255202 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 2, #762 of 1705 🔗

Even she must realise that CARNAGE is taking it too far.

February would be outside the 28 days from positive test to death, wouldn’t it? Seems an unlikely timeframe to me.

Also it’s up to Aunt Betty and granny if they want to take the risk.

This seems to be the government’s new strategy – allow us out for Christmas whilst at the same time telling us we MUST NOT do it or we will kill our entire family in one fell swoop.

254991 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 10, #763 of 1705 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-O2Td-CzA

Tucker Carlson shows photos of California governor flouting pandemic guidelines, i.e. the guidelines that he’s imposed on everyone else.
Gavin Newsome attended an indoor party at a very expensive restaurant, with twelve people, all not wearing masks.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-11-17/column-gavin-newsom-french-laundry-follies

Rules for thee, but not for me….

255113 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Lms23, 1, #764 of 1705 🔗

The elites are always quickly forgiven for breaking their own guidelines just look at Nancy Pelosi and Lori Lightfoot both still preaching harsh punishments for other people. Sadly the US big tech companies & media are completely corrupt and behind the Great Reset agenda.

255008 Victoria, 5, #765 of 1705 🔗

The Covid-19 testing Scam, 8 in 10 are false positives

Asymptomatic ‘Casedemic’ Is a Perpetuation of Needless Fear

  • The PCR test is not designed to be used as a diagnostic tool as it cannot distinguish between inactive viruses and “live” or reproductive ones
  • Many if not most laboratories amplify the RNA collected via PCR swab far too many times, which results in healthy people testing “positive” even if their viral load is very low or the virus is inactive and poses no threat
  • Amplification over 35 cycles is considered unreliable and scientifically unjustified. Dr. Anthony Fauci has admitted the chances of a positive result being accurate at 35 cycles or more “are minuscule.” Yet the CDC, FDA and WHO all recommend using 40 to 45 cycles
  • Recent research shows that to maximize accuracy, PCR tests for COVID-19 should use far fewer cycles. At 17 cycles, 100% of the positive results were confirmed to be real positives. Above 17 cycles, accuracy drops dramatically. By the time you get to 33 cycles, the accuracy rate is a mere 20%, meaning 80% are false positives
  • When symptomatic, your chances of getting a true positive on the first day of symptom onset is only about 40%. Not until Day 3 from symptom onset do you have an 80% chance of getting an accurate PCR result

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/19/covid-testing-fraud-fuels-casedemic.aspx

The PCR Cycle Threshold Matters
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1Z8cSXI-Q&feature=youtu.be

255014 Jez Hewitt, 1, #766 of 1705 🔗

The Mirror Project have some useful tools.

Especially love their sharing of the historical credentials for good faith in Pfizer. Who in their right mind would take their product without question?

https://youtu.be/al-SZ7cii-g

255022 Victoria, replying to Victoria, #767 of 1705 🔗

‘Non-essential’ retailers in line for grants totalling £2.2 billion
 https://bira.co.uk/second-lockdown-grants/

255039 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Victoria, 3, #768 of 1705 🔗

I’m starting to think of putting my savings into bricks and mortar or something as by this time next they will be worth probably less than zero!

255044 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #769 of 1705 🔗

but then again, so may bricks and mortar – you will own nothing and you will be happy!

255055 ▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to dommo, 4, #770 of 1705 🔗

Yes, property is theft!

However, this has been tried before and it didn’t end well. Somehow or other a select few always seem to be more equal than others…

255025 Victoria, 2, #771 of 1705 🔗

Important news for cookshops

We have been made aware that Trading Standards in some parts of England are prepared to let cookware shops open during lockdown by agreeing to classify them as hardware shops (and therefore essential).

Bira supported a cookshop to challenge a previous decision to close the shop and the retailer has received written confirmation from the relevant authorities.
However, we must stress that the decision is subject to the opinion of any particular Trading Standards officer and the shop must sell a significant amount of cookware as part of its total sales .

As a cook shop owner you may want to consider re-opening and referring any authority to this case. Alternatively, you may want to speak to your local authority/Trading Standards officer to make them aware of the decision elsewhere in the country and ask their view. Either way this may be an opportunity for you to open your business at this very important time .

Finally, if you do re-open and are subsequently asked to close, you must do so immediately to avoid any fines.

Andrew Goodacre, Bira CEO, said: “We believe this ruling allows you to open and if challenges, please refer the police, local authorities or Trading Standards to this case study.

“If you are told to close, then you will need to do so. We do not believe that fines will be issued unless you continue to ignore the advice given to you by your relevant authority.”

The case number for anyone wishing to quote this decision in relation to reopening is: 287748

https://bira.co.uk/cookshops-update-lockdown/

255027 c s, replying to c s, #772 of 1705 🔗

Please help me kill this argument…feels like I am going round in circles…dont know whether to respond or give up and move on…

THe response is based on a Facebook post I made a couple of days ago…

Me: So BoJo tests negative and yet will continue his 14 day isolation? Can someone please explain the logic behind this, especially as he has already had the virus and recovered?
If the tests do not work in asymptomatic people, or if its not accurate due to an incubation lag, why on earth are we spending billions of pounds on a national testing system for both symptomatic and asymptomatic people?! Surely such a test would give results that can be followed?! What an incredible waste of 100 billion (2/3 of the entire annual budget for the NHS no less).

Friend: It can take up to 5-14 days to develop (hence most countries testing of known close contacts is at day zero and day 7), so if he stays isolated he can’t pass it on. Just because someone has had Covid it doesn’t mean they can’t have it a second or third time. Even if someone has antibodies (For most previous positives these seem to only to last about 3 months max.) it’s not yet known if they can still shed the virus and this pass it on.
If there was no national track, test and trace systems in place then the virus would spread exponentially and the healthcare systems etc would not be able to cope.

Me: yes sure, it takes several days for symptoms to appear but 1)pcr tests are designed to pick up the tiniest fragments of viral rna as they are being run with a high cycle number, so they aren’t detecting if you are symptomatic or not, they will tell you if you have the smallest trace of virus. Having a tiny trace of virus doesn’t mean you will every develop symptoms or could pass it on and 2) why are they now encouraging people even without symptoms to get tested as they are now doing in Liverpool and soon many other parts of the UK (seems to be a waste of time and money if a negative result cannot be relied upon!?). The lateral flow tests are different to PCR and are picking up a much lower rate of positives. Not clear what test Boris had and came back negative. Next, there have been only 5 or 6 documented cases globally of people catching it for second time so seems highly unlikely BoJo will catch it again. This links with the third point which is that immunity doesn’t rely solely on antibodies…the body will stop producing antibodies after some time but T-cell immunity lasts much longer (there are reports that people who caught SARS 17 years ago still have long term immunity from their T-cells). Lastly, the vaccine is designed to stimulate your body into generating antibodies…its not yet clear how long this effect will last…the trials have only shown they reduce the likelihood of symptoms and says nothing about your chances of catching the virus (and remaining asymptomatic) nor the ability to reduce transmission. Boris himself said he is still bursting with antibodies but still chooses to isolate? If a vaccine makes us bursting with antibodies should we also isolate if someone we happen to have stood next to subsequently tests positive? Do you not think that the cost of all these measures is totally excessive in the context of the annual NHS budget to treat all illnesses? I juat don’t know how it ca be justified. If you dig into the numbers there is little evidence to suggest the NHS is any more overwhelmed than it is every winter.

Friend: I can’t comment on the test or criteria for testing in England, I’m not familiar with it.
Asymptotic positives most definitely can pass it on and just because person A was a positive asymptotic doesn’t mean B, C, or D who they passed it on to will be so lucky.
Outbreaks are managed differently to the general testing and tracing rules as they’re trying to get the situation under control. They’re aware that transmission is going on but aren’t aware when/where a lot of it is happening in the community. By blanket testing they’ll be able to get More of that information and thus stop/reduce the spread. You’ll notice this happens regularly in workplaces or other discrete settings where an outbreak has been deemed to have occurred – they will test everyone and deep clean the setting. Ireland has not conducted citywide screening/testing here so I’d not be familiar with the criteria used to determine it was necessary, but from a logistical side it’s a massive feat to achieve this if they do.

continued…

255032 ▶▶ c s, replying to c s, 1, #773 of 1705 🔗

Me: I agree that people who test positive but are asymptomatic may still be able to pass on the virus, though given the tests do not tell you exactly how much of the virus you have its hard to know at an individual level how likely this is. The PCR tests are being run at high cycle numbers which means it takes very little to make a positive result. The WHO have previously said that transmission by asymptomatic people was “very rare” though as with many other things during this crisis they then flip-flopped and changed their mind several days later. My original point anyway was that why should Boris isolate if he has tested negative and not presenting symptoms – what was the point in getting a test if he was always going to isolate anyway. The test says he is negative so in theory he is not a transmission risk, symptoms or not. If he is still a transmission risk then all the other millions of people who have tested negative should also have isolated for two weeks…

Friend: I would not agree that transmission in asymptotic is rare.
He’s isolating as Covid can take time to develop- he’s likely to have a second swab. He’s tested negative at the time the first swab was taken and the next swab may well be different.
The point of testing is to identify positives.
He’s tested negative so far so, so far his contacts don’t need to be tracked, tested and traced. If he had (or does in the future) then track, testing and tracing will commence for his contacts.

Seriously…what is the point in testing if a negative test means continued isolation? I also want to try and argue how a vaccine will not help us get back to normal if the same logic is applied…

255048 ▶▶▶ NoelGallagherseyebrow, replying to c s, 7, #774 of 1705 🔗

The person’s argument falls down at the fact that if there was evidence that people did get the virus a second time, this would be reported in the millions of people, not 5 or 6 dodgy cases out of 7 billion people. If we assume that people started getting this in October last year then if there was no long lasting immunity there would be millions of people reporting that they had been tested positive a second time. It’s all theatre and Boris’ isolation makes absolutely no sense.

255058 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to NoelGallagherseyebrow, 4, #775 of 1705 🔗

If re-infection was a major issue, it is hard to see how we have no evidence in terms of a significant variation in mortality compared to the average at this time of year (cf. the April spike).

I know, the Scary Fairy will use the get-out clause that says that re-infections are milder – but, in that case, why the fuss?

255065 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 3, #776 of 1705 🔗

If an individual can get COVID 19 and recover and months later get it again, how are vaccines supposed to work?

255093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Steve Hayes, #777 of 1705 🔗

That’s why they need the synthetic mRNA gene therapy vaccine that has only just been made possible by the invention and production of CRISPR. No normal vaccine will do.

Convenient, no?

255133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #778 of 1705 🔗

But if a conventional vaccine would not work, neither would an mRNA vaccine, as the vaccine (any vaccine) works by enabling the vaccinated individual’s immune system to recognise the infectious agent (or a part of it) and develop defences, which result in the individual being able to fight off the infectious agent whenever they come into contact with it without developing symptoms. If getting infected and recovering does not provide this immune response, neither will any vaccine because it is the individual’s immune system that creates the defence, not the vaccine.

255050 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to c s, 10, #779 of 1705 🔗

You cannot argue with someone whose psychological comfort depends on the veracity and dependability of the system, rather than finding a source of strength within themeselves. You think you are arguing about Covid, but there is a much deeper issue at play, one which you will not resolve if it is not addressed, and one which your friend will not address if it is not acknowledged. This is not about Covid, but about worldview and disposition toward acceptance of reality.

In short, you are wasting your time.

255051 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to c s, 7, #780 of 1705 🔗

I would not agree that transmission in asymptotic is rare”

It’s not a case of ‘agreement’. It’s simply the case that there is little or no evidence to support the hypothesis at a significant level.

255193 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to c s, #781 of 1705 🔗

Ask him on what evidence he is basing his claim that asymptomatic transmission is common? As far as I know there are very few if any instances of someone asymptomatic transmitting the disease (from contact tracing around the world).

Also as others have said, basically no one has had it twice. And antibodies always fade with time, but the memory response remains.

There is a new study out suggesting that immunity may last for years, think it’s referenced above the line.

Otherwise, it just makes me tired. I’m not sure I’d have the energy to argue!

255366 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to c s, 1, #782 of 1705 🔗

I think you just have to accept the fact that your friend has been brainwashed.

255037 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to c s, 2, #783 of 1705 🔗

This video explains everything:

The PCR Cycle Threshold Matters
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1Z8cSXI-Q&feature=youtu.be

Very difficult to argue point by point with a non sceptic

255068 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to c s, 3, #784 of 1705 🔗

Quick points :

– ask for evidence of proven asymptomatics spreading.

– let it be known that T and T has to locate 50% + of infected or else the virus spreads. It’s never got above 30% at the best of times.

– immunity can be long lasting and as some else said, if it wasn’t we’d know by now given 55m cases globally.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.html

– PCR is not to be used for mass screening of a population or, as Portuguese Courts have said, diagnosis of an individual even.

they sound like a Labour supporter. Trying to beat the government with the idea that if only a new bunch of politicians were in charge this would have been all sorted. I see this a lot. They don’t see the underlying folly of NPIs in general. And certainly don’t see the hoodwink for what it is.

They are in for such a shock. Its just that as we wait for such people to wake up, the costs continue to spiral.

255076 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to c s, 3, #785 of 1705 🔗

Simply:

Boris has angered the Gods as told by the chicken entriails his advisor has examined. He must isolate and pray as penance to Zeus for wisdom and Athena for strength and fortitude. He obviously has done something wrong to be afflicted with the Covidae once again.

He must not meet people otherwise his sight will radiate the tenticles of the Covidae into another’s soul and they will have to disembowl their neighbour in a sacrifce to Aries.

Or:

The test is useless, much less than the Irish Weather Stone. Boris is highly unlikely to pass anything on as by the standard viral behaviour in someone who’s immune to it he never gets ill enough to produce sufficient virus to be infectious. He is way more likely to pass on the cold. But that’s been eradicated apparenetly by social distancing and masks.

255087 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to c s, #786 of 1705 🔗

Oh dear. You must have the patience of a saint.

255094 ▶▶▶ c s, replying to Banjones, #787 of 1705 🔗

haha my wife says the same thing 🙂

255139 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to c s, #788 of 1705 🔗

… and this video (19min) The Covid Cult https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcm8Sc8f66o

255029 Victoria, 1, #789 of 1705 🔗

New freedoms for restaurants, pubs and cafes to offer takeaway services

Restaurants, pubs and cafes will get automatic freedoms to provide takeaway services for another year, the Government has announced.

The measures help give these businesses the ability to continue to serve customers and retain their staff. It will also help them adapt to longer-term changes they may wish to introduce, such as serving their customers from market stalls, the Government has said.
This follows the relaxation of rules in March so businesses could offer a takeaway service during the pandemic, without having to go through a planning application process. This was due to end on March 23, 2021, but will now be extended by another year. The Government will also consider whether to make these reforms permanent.

Whilst pubs and restaurants are currently restricted from selling alcohol on their premises to take away ( but can still provide delivery or click and collect ) due to the national Covid restrictions in England, the law before March would have restricted pubs and restaurants from choosing to only offer food takeaway services.

The freedoms introduced in March and now extended mean pubs and restaurants can focus on selling food takeaways if they choose to, while being able to return to operating as a pub or restaurant from December 2.

In July, the government also made it easier for businesses and communities to host markets and stalls. The Government has now extended this option for the whole of next year, and will consider whether to make these reforms permanent.

The Government also helped businesses offer more alfresco dining by making it easier and less expensive to get an outdoor seating licence and is similarly keeping this under review.

Under the national restrictions currently in place, markets can sell takeaways from stalls. However, the stalls must not have seating areas.

Read the Government’s full statement here

https://bira.co.uk/hospitality-new-freedoms/

255033 Victoria, 1, #790 of 1705 🔗

Forced to close? You can still offer click and collect

Non-essential retail in England will be required to close from Thursday, November 5, for one month as part of lockdown measures to stop the spread of coronavirus.

However, if you are a retail business required to close, you are still allowed to operate a click and collect, or delivery service , as long as customers do not enter your premises.
If you don’t already provide a click and collect, or delivery service, even if you don’t have an ecommerce platform, Bira has created this simple guide to get you started.

Food retailers including coffee shops and pubs may be considering setting up a delivery service while closed. Read our guide on how to do it here

The Government outlines its new restrictions from 00.01 on Thursday, November 5 – including click and collect information here

https://bira.co.uk/click-collect-guide/

255035 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #791 of 1705 🔗

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/covid-fraud/

Dr Roger Hodkinson – his recorded address to some provincial Canadian politicians.

255083 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to calchas, 1, #792 of 1705 🔗

I’ve just sent the link to my friend in Adelaide. She always seemed sensible – but these days you never can tell.

255038 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 10, #793 of 1705 🔗

Yes, the Daily Mail does feature the Danish study on masks but it has skewed it (particularly in the headline) towards masks being beneficial. This, plus a full page spread advertising seasonal Christmas masks that can be obtained through the publication (even for children) proves to me that despite their so called noises to the contrary the Daily Mail DOES NOT want a return to a proper normal and are as keen for the current state of flux to remain in the same way the BBC, ITV, Sky et al do. Only The Telegraph has demonstrated a bit of resonable pushback.

255106 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 5, #794 of 1705 🔗

Only when people stop purchasing / watching the mainstream media will their opinion change. Most journalists and columnists live in a metropolitan elite bubble, and many of these people are loving lockdown, the virtue signalling and Covid rituals.

The less people consume MSM the less advertisers will spend with them, they only care about views and money. I suspect Telegraph readers have been abandoning the publication so they softened their view a bit.

255057 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to wendyk, 8, #796 of 1705 🔗

Warrior. The casual language people have to mandatory vaccination is sickening. Regardless of your views. If your mum said no would you insist she is carted off to the government facility?

255070 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #797 of 1705 🔗

No I wouldn’t; btw, I’m not endorsing his opinions, merely offering the article for others to read.

255063 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wendyk, 5, #798 of 1705 🔗

I don’t get Frank Furedi. He wrote an interesting book on ‘Fear’ as asocial entity, and yet, although coming out against compulsory vaccination (Good!), he comes out with this evidence of a fearfully brainwashed mindset :

I am 100 percent in favour of receiving the first vaccine against Covid that I can lay my hands on.”

Doh!

255092 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to RickH, 1, #799 of 1705 🔗

I am usually a fan of his writing in Spiked and have heard his lectures. It’s hard to believe that he sees the virus as deadly and warranting a vaccine with its low fatality rate. Must be his age. Odd and disappointing.

255149 ▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Marialta, 2, #800 of 1705 🔗

On the Spiked podcast one of the pundits said it’s absolutely essential that everyone gets the vaccine. But they also said that the lockdowns aren’t needed due to the PCR/case/false positive stuff. The only reason people think they need the vaccine is precisely because of that stuff…

255178 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to RickH, 4, #801 of 1705 🔗

I actually don’t mind – free choice and all. If he wants it he can have it, whatever his reasons. What I do mind is being forced or coerced to have it myself.

255064 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to wendyk, 13, #802 of 1705 🔗

I am 100 percent in favour of receiving the first vaccine against Covid that I can lay my hands on.”

Good for you, enjoy your untested gene altering synthetic mRNA vaccination and have a nice day, but come near me with that shit and I will fight you to the death. And no, I am not joking.

255072 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #803 of 1705 🔗

Agreed, I won’t accept it either, but as I wrote above, I’m not in agreement with his endorsement of the vaccine, merely offering the article as a topic for discussion.

255080 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to wendyk, 5, #804 of 1705 🔗

100% The ‘your’ in my comment was pointed at the author, not your good self. As ‘John Galt’ said in these comments – people wouldn’t be so keen if they knew how it actually worked. These vaccine evangelists are mad.

255086 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #805 of 1705 🔗

Thank you

255079 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to wendyk, 12, #806 of 1705 🔗

Anyone who wants compulsory vaccinations is basically saying I Agree With Mengele.

Nuremberg was created for a reason.

255081 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to mhcp, 1, #807 of 1705 🔗

Agreed. My posting of the link does not indicate endorsement on my part.

255095 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to mhcp, 7, #808 of 1705 🔗

Those brave people who protested against lockdown in Berlin and against the German government’s proposed new dystopian sounding Coronavirus Bill (which I forget the name of) were protesting for everyone’s freedom – I’m grateful to them

The police used water cannon on them and The Guardian labelled them ‘far right’. The same Guardian that called for the Iraq War

255096 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ben, 3, #809 of 1705 🔗

I wouldn’t line my budgie cage with the Guardian.

255114 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #810 of 1705 🔗

Presume he’s far more discerning

255056 richard riewer, 4, #811 of 1705 🔗

Pritti Patel has an ugly mind.

255060 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 8, #812 of 1705 🔗

STOP PRESS:
I just got a reply from my council medical dude (Matt Pearce) on the council covid panel.
I think this question of mine might stuck a big spanner in the works. Check this out!
This was my question to him:

“Matt,

Can you verify that the increased numbers of “positive cases” recorded in West Berkshire in the 18-23 age group ARE actually young people currently residing in West Berkshire at the time of testing

OR were a lot of these “cases” actually students being tested at the places of study BUT being registered as a West Berkshire “Case” AND ALSO as a case in this new location?

Thank you

This was their reply:
“Thank you for your question. We are unable to confirm that all cases in the 18-23 age group reside in West Berkshire. Prior to the 16 November, the Department of Health and Social Care used the patients NHS summary care record (GP patient record) as their primary address which was used in the NHS Test and Trace data. However from 16 November confirmed cases will now be using the address that an individual gave at the point of testing, rather than the primary address recorded on their NHS Summary Care Record. If an alternate address is not given, the individual’s known primary address will continue to be used.

This change was made to the national COVID-19 tracker yesterday and other NHS/PHE publications from today onwards and will be retrospectively adjusted back to 1st September. It is envisaged that this change will better reflect the distribution of cases and testing. In West Berkshire this as resulted in a reduction of 55 cases since 1 September.”
*****************************

DING!

255061 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Two-Six, 4, #813 of 1705 🔗

Apparently that’s exactly what happened in Richmond as well, a lot of the students elsewhere were being recorded as cases in Richmond when they weren’t even there.

255062 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 4, #814 of 1705 🔗

so that probably brings West Berks’s “cases” down to about errrrr hardly fuckin any.

255082 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, 6, #815 of 1705 🔗

In other words, all the figures are being massaged, or altered, or added to, or lied about whenever required for political purposes.

255088 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Banjones, 3, #816 of 1705 🔗

Until someone calls them out yes

255091 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 2, #817 of 1705 🔗

2-0 to 2-6

255090 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to wendyk, 10, #820 of 1705 🔗

No, or not by enough to warrant mandating them. They should be entirely voluntary.

255179 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Anothersceptic2, 11, #821 of 1705 🔗

This is what I’ve said from the very start: masks should only be worn on an entirely voluntary basis.

They’re little more than divisive symbols of compliance and I loathe them more with each day that passes.

255220 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to wendyk, 8, #822 of 1705 🔗

As I said on here yesterday, the mask is the same as the swastika emblem worn by Germans in the 1930’s and the “heil” salute. It signifies absolute groupthink and ultimate compliance. Why else are the people wearing the damn things!

255265 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Alan P, 4, #823 of 1705 🔗

Poster here . Also available as stickers .

255866 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Mabel Cow, #824 of 1705 🔗

I’d rather it said “chap”.

256137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ned of the Hills, #825 of 1705 🔗
255348 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Alan P, #826 of 1705 🔗

Because they are nicer and less selfish than us and everyone should see that

255346 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to wendyk, 2, #827 of 1705 🔗

Me too – it surely is only a matter of days now before I will be shouting at people in the street what I saw here earlier today (nod to Rosie- I thought these were brilliant!):-
Would you drink your own wee?
Or eat your own poo?
No?
Then why are you rebreathing your own respiratory excreta?

255097 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendyk, 3, #828 of 1705 🔗

I had expected these guys to pick up on the argument that masks are to protect others, not the wearer, yet they didn’t raise that. Have they left themselves open to easy rebuffal by not doing so?

255128 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #829 of 1705 🔗

The authors do cite studies which support mask wearing it specific settings. However, even they would struggle to show they protect others from infected people.

Their main point is that masks do not protect the wearer and governments have thrown evidence based policy out the window to:

A) Mandate masks as a form of nudge behaviour control

B) Give the impression that they are doing something, anything, regardless of evidence or cost

C) Ensure that even though its largely punt policies, big contracts are given to preferential and connected people and companies

D) The people are ignored and simply used as a tool to enforce all of the above as in mask shaming.

255170 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 2, #830 of 1705 🔗

Working on the assumption cv19 has gone (which imo it has) it’s true but it doesn’t stop the spread of bacterial pneumonia, bronchitis, colds, tonsillitis, dry eye, face sores and stinky breath

255181 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, #831 of 1705 🔗

Agreed

255098 Adam, 4, #832 of 1705 🔗

This government needs bringing down in disgrace and corrupt labour

255109 ▶▶ anon, replying to captainbeefheart, 15, #834 of 1705 🔗

I am SICK and TIRED of being experimented on

255141 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #835 of 1705 🔗

Ah! a table of Coercion. Excellent!

255174 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to captainbeefheart, 11, #836 of 1705 🔗
  1. Make people afraid
  2. Make people more afraid
  3. YOU’LL KILL EVERYONE IF YOU’RE NOT AFRAID!
  4. Set the mob onto anyone still not afraid
  5. As a last resort, fine the sh*t out of them.
255108 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #837 of 1705 🔗

Some trivia to lighten the gloom. The eagle-eyed amongst you will have spotted that Wancock has a bit part in episodes 1 and 2 of The Crown on Netflix. He plays Francis Pym, minister in Thatcher’s Cabinet in the early 1980s. With a bit of luck Wancock will go the same way as Pym in 1983.

255216 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Tenchy, 1, #838 of 1705 🔗

Nah, it’s just a bloke who looks a bit like him and who used to be Lt Gruber in Allo Allo.

255111 JudgeMental, 14, #839 of 1705 🔗

The science pointing to lockdowns having no effect. Being forced restrict our breathing when we go out when the science says masks don’t work. Our freedoms being eroded.

Where is the fight back?

”John Lewis and GAME all crash on the launch date of the PlayStation 5”

Both Aldous Huxley and George Orwell were correct in their vision of the future.

255119 richard riewer, 7, #840 of 1705 🔗

Dear Boris and all your accomplices. None of you are special, you can easily be replaced. Enjoy!

255125 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 7, #841 of 1705 🔗

Probably already discussed but English deaths October year on year…EIGHT more than last year !!! 8 !!! Covid the 3rd highest cause of death, but 7 out of the top 10 are DOWN year on year despite NHS waiting lists etc. Flu way down.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8965435/Covid-19-biggest-killer-England-October-ONS.html

255167 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John Ballard, #842 of 1705 🔗

I thought covid was 19th or something like that? Or is that for the whole year rather than October?

255169 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John Ballard, #843 of 1705 🔗

Also why does the headline say it’s the biggest killer if it’s actually 3rd??

255218 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to John Ballard, #844 of 1705 🔗

7 out of the top 10 are DOWN year on year despite NHS waiting lists etc. Flu way down.

They aren’t really down, just reclassified.

255244 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan, 1, #845 of 1705 🔗

Yes – it’s this re-classification that’s at the heart of all this, with the PCR labelling being a major issue.

255240 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to John Ballard, #846 of 1705 🔗

Does this graph show that the deaths this year, the teal line, are now below the five year average, the yellow line? Even with the big spike in April? I’m near certain that’s the case, but I now have a hatred for graphs and always worry that they’ve caught me out.

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255680 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to John Galt, 1, #847 of 1705 🔗

Yes.

255132 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 8, #848 of 1705 🔗

They’re dropping like flies!

From the Telegraph live feed:

One person dies every 17 seconds from Covid-19 in Europe, WHO warns

Europe is once again the epicentre of the Covid-19 pandemic, with one person dying from the disease every 17 seconds, the World Health Organization has warned.

Dr Hans Kluge, the WHO’s regional director for Europe, delivered the sobering message at a briefing today.

“Europe accounts for 28 per cent of global cases, and 26 per cent of deaths cumulatively in the region,” he told the briefing.

“Last week, Europe registered over 29,000 new Covid-19 deaths. That is one person dying every 17 seconds.”

In the last week deaths jumped by 18 per cent, he said.

This is classic propaganda. Frame the data in a way that exaggerates the situation.

255155 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, 4, #849 of 1705 🔗

They’re always dropping like flies!

One every 6 seconds in the EU, throughout 2019.

255165 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 4, #850 of 1705 🔗

Yet another meaningless, contextless number trotted out by TPTB. How many people die of heart disease, cancer, suicide, traffic accidents per minute? How are we supposed to judge if one person every 17 seconds is a lot or not very much (we’re not, obviously, we’re supposed to believe that it’s a lot, but never mind)?

255210 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Tenchy, 2, #851 of 1705 🔗

5,082 every 24 hours. “With COVID” not “from COVID” preumably. Given approx 1,600 people die each day in the UK from all cause mortality, then…. so what?

255134 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #852 of 1705 🔗

Gates, Big Pharma ploy to use religious leaders to convince people to get the COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.naturalhealth365.com/bill-gates-covid-19-plan-3630.html

255147 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 2, #853 of 1705 🔗

In the mid and south states of the US that will absolutely work. Funny bunch they are.

255215 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 1, #854 of 1705 🔗

It’ll work here too. Welby will be all over it. He worships Covid anyway.

255224 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 2, #855 of 1705 🔗

Gates openly admitted such a tactic was used in Africa when interviewed for BBC Radio. Paid them off no doubt.

255138 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #856 of 1705 🔗

WARNING! Have a sick bucket to hand before looking at this abominably nauseating puke-inducing shite from the BBC. And of course it’s woke, as you’d expect.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-54994584

255257 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Tenchy, #857 of 1705 🔗

Not even a convincing costume!

255306 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Tenchy, 4, #858 of 1705 🔗

In other nauseating woke puke from the BBC: They have apparently decided that Radio 1 will play a Bowdlerised version of the Pogues/Kirsty McColl Fairytale of New York to “avoid offending younger listeners”. Radio 2 will play the unedited version and Radio 6/6X will have a choice over which version they play. I think Radio 1 snowflakes just need to grow a spine.

255140 CGL, replying to CGL, 45, #859 of 1705 🔗

Just thinking on my lonesome lunchtime walk – instead of us constantly having to explain why we think what we think, how about a short set of questions to ask ‘them’ – so that they have to justify their fears to us.

For instance –
What evidence have you seen that has made you believe that this virus is more deadly than flu?

Has seeing masks everywhere become normal for you? Is that OK? For how long will it be ok?

Some things that will really get them thinking so they can see why we dont understand them, for a change.

We are the normal humans with normal human feelings and emotions. How can we make them see that it’s not us who have changed?

255144 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CGL, 6, #860 of 1705 🔗

Great post

255146 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to CGL, 4, #861 of 1705 🔗

Oh yes excellent questions!!

255150 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 5, #862 of 1705 🔗

Good idea. It’s easy to forget about this and go straight for the kill shot.

255166 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 2, #863 of 1705 🔗

Any other suggestions would be great.

255175 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to CGL, 5, #864 of 1705 🔗

I would ask ‘what have you read or seen that made you sure that masks/lockdowns are helpful?’ If they answer MSM then I suggest a few alternatives.

255177 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to CGL, 11, #865 of 1705 🔗

“So what is your exit strategy?”

I am stunned as to how many people are quiet, or hum and haw or stutter an answer involving “vaccine” …

And then, that’s a whole kettle of fish they wish they hadn’t opened.

255188 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #866 of 1705 🔗

Great – no one in the world has come up with one yet anyway!

255235 ▶▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to CGL, 5, #867 of 1705 🔗

It’s shocking really. You don’t need a scientific or medical background to apply some observational logic to the “Hollywood Vaccine” solution to realise that the current state of equilibrium will only get worse, and for a long time period, even if the big IFs surrounding a vaccine are resolved satisfactorily.

I LOVE the following exchange:

Me: You know flu vaccine uptake is – over all demographics – about 70% in the UK, right? Flu vaccine has been around internationally 40+ years and is generally regarded trustworthy. But what happens when a significant part of the population simply refuses to be Covid-19 vaccinated because it’s only partially tested?

Them: Well, I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t! Do you?

Me: Errrr, well, myself and my family, for starters.

Them: Oh ……………..

Que stunned, blissful silence.

255195 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to HaylingDave, 6, #868 of 1705 🔗

It’s weird, was having a chat with a good mate last night, I didn’t push too much as we were having a general chat, he agrees that people and businesses are suffering but is waiting for the big V for normality.

So he knows the cure (lockdown) is worse than the disease and doesn’t work but he is waiting for a 2nd cure (V) that will not probably replace the 1st cure (lockdown) but also will not cure the disease (covid).

Does that make sense?

255221 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, 10, #869 of 1705 🔗

It does make sense but makes no sense at all, if that makes sense.

I don’t ever want to talk to any of my friends these days – I’m too cross with them all. Good of you to try though.

255225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to CGL, 2, #870 of 1705 🔗

Makes perfect sense, I didn’t push back TBF but he is prepared to live in limbo. His wife is also from NZ so it’s highly unlikely she will never visit NZ ever again.

255255 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to HaylingDave, 2, #871 of 1705 🔗

Yes, that’s my standard. And when they say “vaccine”, I ask whether they’d be in favour of making it mandatory. No-one has yet said they think it should.

255347 ▶▶▶▶ LuluJo, replying to HaylingDave, 6, #872 of 1705 🔗

I asked someone that a few weeks ago and she was most definite that the only way out is a vaccine. I said ‘so you’ll be happy to take one as soon as it’s available then?’ ‘Oh no,’ she said, ‘I’ll wait until I know it’s safe.’ I just walked away…

255424 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to LuluJo, 2, #873 of 1705 🔗

Probably best for their survival rates if we walk away, I agree.

255206 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, 13, #874 of 1705 🔗

I have a friend who is terrified and has barely left the house this year. He’s only mid 40s. He’s keeping his young lad home too. Because they both have diabetes, he thinks they’re going to die.

He’s started talking about reinfections (though there’s no real evidence). His other driver is long covid. Again, spurious evidence for that.

I think I’m winning the battle, but it’s hard work undoing all of the brainwashing.

255212 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, 1, #875 of 1705 🔗

So what sorts of things have you said and how gently?

255387 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, 2, #876 of 1705 🔗

I just keep it to calm, cold facts and hope that eventually, logic prevails over hysteria.

255211 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to CGL, 5, #877 of 1705 🔗

The last two points from Friebel also:

What Government measures would finally cause you personally to draw the line?

 And what will you do if the ‘new normal’ of social distancing, masks and the de facto ban on culture remains, even after the introduction of a vaccine?

255219 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Sarigan, 3, #878 of 1705 🔗

What Government measures would finally cause you personally to draw the line? If they cull me “!

And what will you do if the ‘new normal’ of social distancing, masks and the de facto ban on culture remains, even after the introduction of a vaccine? “Well… experts know better.”!

255214 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to CGL, 7, #879 of 1705 🔗

What evidence have you seen that has made you believe that this virus is more deadly than flu? “ I saw something on BBC or Sky (can’t remember well) saying that this is not a flu!

Has seeing masks everywhere become normal for you? “ Yes, I quite like it “!

Is that OK? “ Of course! It’s for our collective safety “!

For how long will it be ok? “ For me this should be the new normal “!

Don’t ask easily identifiable MORONS (mask wearers) questions…

255333 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #880 of 1705 🔗

Any of the above would be a conversation stopper – there is literally no point wasting valuable time with someone who has decided that their mind (if they have one) is not open to any other ideas or questions.

I’m thinking more of the ones who haven’t really thought too much about it because this far it has been a bit inconvenient but not ruined any major part of their lives – i know, I don’t get that either but there we are.

The floating voters or the not really bothered’s are who we need.

255663 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to CGL, 2, #881 of 1705 🔗

A major problem emerges with the “not really bothered’s” flock.

If they are in that state, this means they haven’t lost much or that they don’t have major discomfort with the new rules and orders.

And sheelemmings with this characteristics won’t risk losing what they have specially if they believe going against the PROPAGANDA of TPTB will cause them loss.

255269 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to CGL, 3, #882 of 1705 🔗

Why is the flu vac voluntary but the COVID vac proposed to be mandatory?

255163 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 19, #884 of 1705 🔗

I have just read that Americans have started to throw turkey legs at governors homes.
The ‘Thanksgiving Revolt’.
Maybe something like this could be started here and globally around Xmas or New Years customs.
Such images and actions have always been quite powerful and effective, see Boston Tea Party….

255171 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #885 of 1705 🔗

Pint mugs at Wancock

255186 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CGL, 13, #886 of 1705 🔗

Bin bags full of masks left at no 10 and Holyrood and Cardiff.

255273 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to wendyk, #887 of 1705 🔗

Shouldn’t we have incinerators everywhere for level 4 biowaste?

255489 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to awildgoose, 2, #888 of 1705 🔗

What a good point! We’ve been asking for months why, if masks are stopping us all getting the Black Death, it is OK to keep touching them, stuff them in your pocket or handbag on the way out of a shop etc,, get them out again, wear them many times and then drop them on the floor or in an ordinary bin. MW

255552 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to CGL, 2, #889 of 1705 🔗

buckets of shite with hand grenades in?

255208 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #890 of 1705 🔗

Your “health” minister was the other day on a public square talking to some morons on tv and not even one egg or rotten tomato was thrown at him…

256127 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Voz 0db, #891 of 1705 🔗

What’s happened to people these days? Once upon a time, no politician could ever appear in public without someone chucking food at him. I don’t know what this country is coming to.

255176 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 8, #892 of 1705 🔗

Have a look at today’s YouGov Poll. There is a question about how many days lockdown you think you should have for each day of Christmas you take. It’s quite ridiculous.

255182 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Suzyv, 3, #893 of 1705 🔗

Ummmmmm – none

255184 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to CGL, 6, #894 of 1705 🔗

there is a N/A i don’t want any restrictions option

255196 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Suzyv, 5, #895 of 1705 🔗

sigh, and 42% apparently think we shold ultimately cancel christmas under the threat of more restrictions after. This is what we’re up against! For what it’s worth I’ve just voted N/A that there shouldn’t be restrictions in the first place.

255209 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #896 of 1705 🔗

A lot of unwelcome in-laws out there!

255203 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Suzyv, 11, #897 of 1705 🔗

Christ, there’s a question about whether you’re in favour of mandatory vaccination and the majority say yes! We’re a country of morons!

255207 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #898 of 1705 🔗

I have come to the same conclusion – present company accepted.

255282 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #899 of 1705 🔗

haven’t looked but I can’t believe that to be true, despite the incessant propaganda.

oh is yougov a gov poll?

poll is fixed, surely?

255268 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Suzyv, #900 of 1705 🔗

The brainwashing propaganda operation was deemed to be a success.

255270 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Suzyv, #901 of 1705 🔗

They are slowly programming the masses to want Christmas to be cancelled.

256120 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to pvenkman, #902 of 1705 🔗

How easy all this has been.
I’ve always felt sorry for the poor folk living under totalitarian rule, either in modern times or in the past, but I’m beginning to suspect that the majority of people are actually happier being told what to think, what to do, how to behave etc. Sadly, there are those of us who preferred liberty and we are being driven mad with depair and anger.
Still, the vaccine will tranquilise us and take away the pain. It might even make us forget who we thought we were.

255183 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 13, #903 of 1705 🔗

C’mon the sheeple LOVES WEARING A MASK!

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Most of them will never stop wearing it…

255185 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #904 of 1705 🔗

And since I’m talking about sheeple


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255187 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Voz 0db, 8, #905 of 1705 🔗

it does make easy to identify idiots

255192 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #906 of 1705 🔗

That’s the one ood thing the few can extract out of this SRF & Billionaires OPERATION COVID… We now know who they are!

255217 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to 6097 Smith W, 5, #907 of 1705 🔗

Like tattoos.

255194 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #908 of 1705 🔗

It saves having to brush their teeth I suppose?

255204 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to KBuchanan, #909 of 1705 🔗

Not even that! When in the corral they are always taking selfies smiling and showing the teeth… so they need to pretend to have good teeth or at least be good at photoshop.

255189 p02099003, 7, #910 of 1705 🔗

From The Spectator: Sage used Wikipedia to model Covid-19 according to a BBC 2 documentary at 9 tonight

255190 Brian Ruddock, replying to Brian Ruddock, 1, #911 of 1705 🔗

Can somebody please examine the correctness of this report:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54976362

There is a lot being reported about correctness and accuracy of representation of data so I just want to know if this is a fair report by the BBC and what the source of the graphs and the data is.

The chart under the first sub-heading ‘Covid deaths are rising’ looks very bad at first glance. Is this a correct representation of actual data and is there proportionality in the representation?

255316 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Brian Ruddock, 3, #912 of 1705 🔗

I would assume anything on the BBC is a distortion of reality. What do they mean by a “covid death”?

255205 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 8, #913 of 1705 🔗

Telegraph is full of pro-Biden propaganda yet again, the CDC admitted months ago only around 10,000 actually died ‘of’ not ‘with’ Covid. Never thought the Telegraph would get fully behind the Build Back Better / New World Order agenda.

‘US coronavirus deaths pass 250,000Joe Biden warns the US faces a dark winter as he pleads for co-operation from the Trump administration’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/19/us-coronavirus-deaths-pass-250000/

255213 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Darryl, 9, #914 of 1705 🔗

‘Dark winter” eh? All incompetence, so it is.

255229 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to jb12, 8, #915 of 1705 🔗

Amazing to see all these politicians going from one blunder to another.

….and they all blunder in the same way. They are obviously even too incompetent to blunder in an original way.

Convergent blundering perhaps?

255247 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to calchas, 2, #916 of 1705 🔗

A good caption for us to use.

255519 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to calchas, 3, #917 of 1705 🔗

Except Trump. He saw the need to get back to work.

255266 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Darryl, 3, #918 of 1705 🔗

Funny how the CDC deaths from for Cv19 are about the same as their official H1N1 death number of 12k.

So, what was different in the H1N1 days?

255227 annie, replying to annie, 11, #920 of 1705 🔗

Just got a tear-jerking letter from the Red Cross about an ex-soldier who lost everything due to (you guessed it) ‘Covid 19’, and was saved at the last moment by Red Cross parcels. Yes, I mean it. He got free food parcels. No mention of the real reason why the poor guy was on his uppers.

Imagine the Red Cross rushing to save a family from a flooded house and giving them succour, while failing to point out that all the taps in the house were turned full on, and if the taps were turned off, the flood would stop.

Someone in a Heinlein novel opines that ‘good intentions should be declared a capital crime’. In the Red Cross’s case, I’m strongly inclined to agree.

255253 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to annie, 5, #921 of 1705 🔗

They’re still paying the CEO c£180,000 p/a out of the the charity pot too I see.

255231 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 11, #922 of 1705 🔗

I think most of us have heard the “94% of people who died with covid had a pre-existing condition” stat from the CDC in America, but today I found the actual website with a breakdown of all the comorbidities. It’s honestly amazing and really needs to be part of your “sceptic tool box”:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

Though it’s not the biggest number, I think the one that sticks out most to me solely for the brazenness of it, is cardiac arrest. 27,000 people who died from a heart attack are being put down as a covid death.

255234 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to John Galt, 3, #923 of 1705 🔗

Isn’t a heart attack 1 of the biggest killers though? It certainly helps to bolster the numbers by including those!

255241 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #924 of 1705 🔗

The “covid” tag sticks really easy on dead bodies!

255238 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John Galt, 1, #925 of 1705 🔗

You want to know a fun fact?!

No one has died “with covid”…

255239 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to John Galt, 1, #926 of 1705 🔗

UK equivalent, note the first 2 graphs. The total number of deaths OF covid-19, 1,600.
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/11/12/nhs-graphs-from-christopher-bowyer-10-nov/

255246 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to peyrole, 3, #927 of 1705 🔗

Excellent link, thank you.

I’m finding more and more that I have to rely on this place and other similar sites for any legitimate figures. If you search for anything covid related online it’s an absolute minefield of “fact checking” nonsense and outright falsity. Google in particular has obviously skewed results for their own agenda for god knows how long, but it’s particularly bad now.

255275 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to John Galt, 1, #928 of 1705 🔗

Unfortunately the Hector Drummond site has closed. The guy got very tired trying to keep it going, no income from it. There were high quality inputs especially the data graphs from Christopher Bowyer ( I don’t know if he will post elsewhere) and David Clark who has started his own blog http://djclark.co.uk/WuFluPanic.html .
If you come across Christpoher’s graphs somewhere else please let us all know on this site, they will be a great loss.

255277 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John Galt, 4, #929 of 1705 🔗

The most common comorbidity is a positive PCR test.

255303 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #930 of 1705 🔗

“test”…

255245 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 19, #931 of 1705 🔗

UK Government has ordered 100 million doses of the, untested, Astra Zeneca vaccine.
Fantastic ! We’ll all be able to Pick’n’Mix !

Scene in a vaccination centre near you

‘I don’t want to complain Doctor but that Moderna vaccine gave my Frank a funny turn, can he give the Pfizer a go this time ?’

“I’ve got some Asta Zenica vaccine he could have Mrs Perkins”

‘Sounds like foreign muck to me Doctor, never know what might been in it’.

“Debbie, we got any Pfizer left luv ?”

Voice off
‘ give her the Moderna Doc, we got three cases to shift by tomorrow’.

255267 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 11, #932 of 1705 🔗

The shocking reason why Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine requires storage at -70C … because it contains experimental nanotech components that have NEVER been used in vaccines before

mRNA vaccines undergoing Covid-19 clinical trials, including the Moderna vaccine, rely on a nanoparticle-based “carrier system” containing a synthetic chemical called polyethylene glycol (PEG).”

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/components-of-mrna-technology-could-lead-to-significant-adverse-events-in-one-or-more-of-our-clinical-trials-says-moderna/

CHD goes on to explain:
The use of PEG in drugs and vaccines is increasingly controversial due to the well-documented incidence of adverse PEG-related immune reactions, including life-threatening anaphylaxis.

Roughly seven in ten Americans may already be sensitized to PEG, which may result in reduced efficacy of the vaccine and an increase in adverse side effects.

If a PEG-containing mRNA vaccine for Covid-19 gains FDA approval, the uptick in exposure to PEG will be unprecedented—and potentially disastrous.
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Lipid nanoparticles cause hyperinflammatory responses in the body, leading to severe reactions, hospitalization and potentially DEATH

Most importantly, as people start dying from coronavirus vaccines, the medical establishment will categorize all those deaths as “covid-19 deaths” in order to claim the pandemic is getting worse .

This will create a whole new cycle of death, media hysteria and mandatory vaccine policies. Those, in turn, will kill even more people, feeding into the very same feedback loop that results in even more people being vaccinated and killed.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-18-why-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-requires-storage-at-70c.html

255304 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Victoria, 4, #933 of 1705 🔗

Moderna one also includes luciferase which is a bioluminescence that allows tracking.

255308 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Victoria, 4, #934 of 1705 🔗

It’s either plastic with a glycol added (polyethylene + glycol) or its antifreeze that has been polymerised.(poly ethyleneglycol)

255322 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Victoria, 2, #935 of 1705 🔗

That stuff has been used in the flu vaccine before, it’s also a popular laxative!

255375 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Victoria, 1, #936 of 1705 🔗

You do know that PEG is one of the principal components of toothpaste? And the virus already contains the same genetic material as the virus? And that much of human DNA is likely to be the remains of non-coding viruses past?

255394 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to djaustin, 1, #937 of 1705 🔗

Well of course.

255407 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to djaustin, #938 of 1705 🔗

nanoparticle-based PEG

256078 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Victoria, #939 of 1705 🔗

Polyethylene glycol is what it is, comes in a few forms, but is broken down. What is the issue? I’d take my chances with mRNA over chino adenovirus, but prefer intact spike protein myself.

255284 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 4, #940 of 1705 🔗

Biggest sweet shop in the world don’t you know

255288 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #941 of 1705 🔗

The big question from that is why the fuck the Chinese aren’t really bothering??

255312 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to vargas99, 1, #942 of 1705 🔗

They have their own vaccine of hope

255513 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #943 of 1705 🔗

Because they already have a heavyweight surveillance system and a cashless society.

255335 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to vargas99, 6, #944 of 1705 🔗

’cause they know it’s bullshit

256091 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to vargas99, 1, #945 of 1705 🔗

Too busy enjoying the spectacle of the western world destroying itself. They don’t really need to bother doing anything, do they?

255431 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #946 of 1705 🔗

Wonder if Doris plans to donate some abroad to prove how ‘charitable and cuddly’ he is for his next job.

255318 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to karenovirus, 1, #947 of 1705 🔗

Brilliant – a great sense of humour might be the thing that gets us through all this!

255251 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 10, #948 of 1705 🔗

MORE FUN… COURTESY of this lovely animal, 

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• Anyone who visits Pennsylvania must have a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours of entering the state. Travelers who cannot obtain a test, or refuse to take one, must quarantine for 14 days. Residents returning home also must have a negative test unless they commuting from work or received out-of-state medical treatment.

• Masks will be required indoors whenever someone from outside a household is present – even if physical distance can be maintained. The requirement extends to personal homes, though Levine acknowledged it will be difficult to enforce*. Masks also must be worn outdoors unless people can stay at least six feet from non-household members.

• Colleges and universities must develop a testing strategy to limit COVID-19 spread as students return from winter break. That includes testing all students, conducting regular screenings throughout the semester and expanding capacity for quarantining.

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I say: SEND THE COPIGS!

Please tell me more about the horrible unfreedom in North Korea!

255258 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Voz 0db, 17, #949 of 1705 🔗

Anyone who visits Pennsylvania”

Not after seeing that picture.

255259 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Voz 0db, 10, #950 of 1705 🔗

I know it’s unfair to judge from appearances, but sod it. that creature looks floridly mentally ill.

255279 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #951 of 1705 🔗

Seems like a great way to stop anyone going to Pennsylvania

255286 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Voz 0db, 15, #952 of 1705 🔗

Blimey! Trans-sylvanian obviously.

255291 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Voz 0db, 9, #953 of 1705 🔗

X: “Yeah, 3 weeks lads. 3 weeks of clapping a big dose of flattened curve and we’ll be back in the pub.”

Me: “Lads, this is the biggest grab on our freedoms we’ve ever known. The Coronavirus Act is set for 6 months. We won’t get that back”

X: “You read too much”

255300 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #954 of 1705 🔗

X: “Another conspiracy theorist”!

255293 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #955 of 1705 🔗

I thought the constitution forbade such an edict

255296 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to assoc, 2, #956 of 1705 🔗

The what?!?!

255297 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #957 of 1705 🔗

The rule in Russia since they opened the border on the 1 of August – anyone who enters the country have to do PCR tests within 3 days and upload it to government website.
I went there in August, didn’t do any of it, nobody checked. I told my friends later and they didn’t do it either. Private tests are £30.

I wonder if the same will happen in Pennsylvania.

255315 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #958 of 1705 🔗

state of that

255323 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #959 of 1705 🔗

I bet she can use a hammer

255328 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, 5, #960 of 1705 🔗

she?

that’s a chap, surely?

255468 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to anon, 2, #961 of 1705 🔗

Looks like a Little Britain character!

255410 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #962 of 1705 🔗

Looks like someone already has

255359 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #963 of 1705 🔗

I’d hit it.

255364 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Chicot, 3, #964 of 1705 🔗

might be doing pennsylvania a favour there.

255441 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Chicot, 1, #965 of 1705 🔗

bagsie first

255413 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #966 of 1705 🔗

Didn’t she used to be on Sesame Street?

255422 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #967 of 1705 🔗

Big bird or cookie monster?
Or maybe love child of?

255556 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #968 of 1705 🔗

In case LS readers are wondering, his Wikipedia informs us as a youngster he attended a “Hebrew School and had a Bar Mitzvah” . On that basis I feel justified in using the masculine pronoun – Wikipedia doesn’t. It’s a funny old world.

255557 ▶▶ Ms Maxine Shaverin, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #969 of 1705 🔗

OMG – that looks SO much like someone I know in the UK and could be her words too!

255572 ▶▶ John K, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #970 of 1705 🔗

What the Fuck is that? He/she/it needs to stay on the radio. Munterific.

255642 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John K, #971 of 1705 🔗

That’s why I went with animal…

255254 AKS, 15, #972 of 1705 🔗

The DM wouldn’t post this this morning.

Mask facts:
-unless changed constantly masks can harbour 80plus different bacteria and at least 4 different types of fungal colonies . Your washing machine will not be able to purify these entirely. Only hospital washing machine can do that.

-masks force wearer to rebreathe their own CO2 plus bacteria – bad for respiratory tract, bad for facial skin, bad for dental health, bad for blood oxygen. Bacterial pneumonia is a risk. Oxygen plays an important role in your health especially if you have some other illness or you are a growing child.

-MASKS DO NOT WORK. They do not protect you or others from the virus which passes through any pad of cloth or plasticised paper like a midge through chicken wire. Only hospital grade biohazard masks can do that.

-Major mask study shows masks do not reduce covid infection rate https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/18/major-study-finds-masks-dont-reduce-covid-19-infection-rates/

255256 Liam, replying to Liam, 27, #973 of 1705 🔗

My Mum and Dad have always been suspicious of all this from the start, happy to report they’re now 100% hardcore sceptic, and Mum will be checking the site out. Dad’s not really internet savvy but he’s always been a contrary bugger and had to deal with a lot of liars and con artists in his working life.

255264 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Liam, 10, #974 of 1705 🔗

Was your dad in politics?

255283 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #975 of 1705 🔗

Heh. Kind of, he was a toolmaker but also a union rep.

255302 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Liam, 4, #976 of 1705 🔗

Is a toolmaker the political equivalent of a Kingmaker? I’m sure Dominic Cummings could be regarded as a toolmaker in this regard.

255338 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #977 of 1705 🔗

Toolmakers are the aristocracy of skilled labour and would never churn out shoddy third rate goods like Boris! 😉

255421 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, #978 of 1705 🔗

Glad to hear it. The greedy unions made life a misery for millions in the 1970s.

255325 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Liam, 10, #979 of 1705 🔗

Once I showed my mum all of the data to disprove the official line she’s now well on board with us being lied to by the government.

255390 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Liam, 4, #980 of 1705 🔗

Good for them. I am sadly quite content that my dad is no longer alive, he would have spontaneously combusted if he was around today.

255408 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Liam, #981 of 1705 🔗

My Dad was always quite sceptical, despite having an “underlying condition” that put him on the original shielding list. It was my mum who was a zealot originally, but after a few months of not seeing her grandchildren she’s edging closer and closer to my way of thinking.

255262 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #982 of 1705 🔗

To me, observational science is quite literally backward. What’s changed since the summer when supermarkets were still open to everyone?:

Supermarkets most common exposure setting for catching coronavirus in England, latest data suggests
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418

255271 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #983 of 1705 🔗

Yes, because we’re not allowed to gather anywhere else indoors…

255289 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #984 of 1705 🔗

Gotta blame it on somewhere. Stop visiting supermarkets you useless eaters.

255292 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nobody2020, 18, #985 of 1705 🔗

Kind of skirting the issue that nearly everyone in supermarkets are now wearing masks and if this is true, masks don’t work. Must be piles of dead shop workers somewhere that I’m missing.

255298 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, 14, #986 of 1705 🔗

How many supermarket staff members have died? Ivor Cummins often cites that these front line workers have avoided the death stats in Ireland. Surely in these death traps they’d be dropping like flies

255319 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #987 of 1705 🔗

As of July about 7 shop workers in the Sainbury’s chain died of the Rona

255454 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Two-Six, #988 of 1705 🔗

Of or with? MW

255723 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #989 of 1705 🔗

meh who knows….
That was the figure TwatHandycock used to base his claim that shopworkers are 75% more at risk of covids than other occupations so we all need face napppies. Lying toad.

Of or with seriously nobody knows with probably.

255722 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, 2, #990 of 1705 🔗

But just think how many could have died if masks were NOT being worn? In the tens of millions, possibly. There is no scientific evidence for it, but nevertheless, it remains an indisputable fact.

255301 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Nobody2020, 22, #991 of 1705 🔗

Are the authors of this garbage taking the piss, or are they as thick as pig-shit?

Of those who tested positive for COVID-19 in the days analysed by PHE, 18.3% of them said they had visited a supermarket.

Well blow me down! 18.3% went to a supermarket! Is that it? Is that what they are basing their “findings” on? FFS! Everyone goes to a supermarket! Of all those who tested positive, how many went to a testing centre? there you are then. Testing centres are the most common exposure setting.

This one really does beggar belief.

255309 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tenchy, 12, #992 of 1705 🔗

That’s why statistics often say most infections happen at home, because for some reason most people go home a lot.

But how does it get into the home if not by magic?

255344 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Tenchy, 8, #993 of 1705 🔗

Actually testing centres are the place where many of the samples will get infected

255465 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 4, #994 of 1705 🔗

100% had a piss in the last 24 hours too, I expect…

255307 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #995 of 1705 🔗

Total shite. It reads:

By analysing the contacts and retracing the steps of the 128,808 people who’d reported they had tested positive between 9 November and 15 November, PHE data has uncovered the most frequent locations people with the virus had been, prior to testing positive.
During the increased national restrictions in England, supermarkets have remained open for shoppers. The new data set suggests they are now the primary setting where the disease is being transmitted.

So,, the fact that loads of people go to the supermarket (er, to buy food and stuff) must mean they caught there????

255313 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 7, #996 of 1705 🔗

Good spot, and yes, total shite is the correct scientific term

255388 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #997 of 1705 🔗

Just waiting for Sage to come out with “Close the supermarkets now -or wave goodbye to the shoppees (is that a word? -meaning those you have shopped for) three weeks later.”

255640 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to arfurmo, 2, #998 of 1705 🔗

Yes, I was told today I should live on Zoom and have all my shopping delivered as I do not wear a face covering and put others at risk. In Germany supermarkets do not deliver.
Thank you, you American idiot!

255272 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 27, #999 of 1705 🔗

Wahey! My GP surgery have finally got rid of their 2 minute long phone message about the virus and the introduction is back to normal.

255278 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1000 of 1705 🔗

‘Your understanding and patience is appreciated in these unprecidenting times’
🤮

255287 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1001 of 1705 🔗

Do we attend the same surgery?!

255280 ▶▶ leggy, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1002 of 1705 🔗

Mine hasn’t. Full of contradictory, conflicting messages too. I had cause to visit yesterday (though I could only secure an appointment when I threatened to call one of the GPs on his mobile).

No ambiguity in their posters. Whilst there I considered that there’s only two letters separating a GP mask and a gimp mask.

255459 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leggy, 6, #1003 of 1705 🔗

“Guidance” and “MUST” are contradictory surely?

255361 ▶▶ DRW, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1004 of 1705 🔗

Always nice to hear some good news, even if it’s just on a small scale.

255285 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 34, #1005 of 1705 🔗

I’m thinking of opening a shop – after all, with decimated incomes and stay at home mandates what could possibly go wrong? The shop will sell face coverings (all perforated), short fitted coats and jackets, and women’s knitted vests and will be called Masks & Spencers. If the venture is successful and enriches me beyond the dreams of avarice, I promise to employ the services of a professional strangler who will visit each member of the World Economic Forum in turn and deliver the most exquisite form of suffocation imaginable. When he or she has worked their way through that lot, we can set about the rest of the psychotic morons who are currently pestering us with their murderously hare-brained ambitions for world domination. If the business becomes publicly traded, large numbers of shares will be donated to all lockdown sceptics and, in fact, anyone with half a brain.

I would rather die laughing than live in a cage of fear and loathing; I’m entirely serious about that.

Perhaps I’ll go and lie down for a while..!

255362 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #1006 of 1705 🔗

An alternative range of fur coats and small rings of leakproof (in theory) muscle is under consideration, in which case the name will change to Minks & Sphincters.

255559 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1007 of 1705 🔗

Just a small suggestion for a tweak of the name: “Masks & Spenders”.

255975 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Noumenon, 1, #1008 of 1705 🔗

Unfortunately, Anne Summers have already cornered the market.

255561 ▶▶ John K, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1009 of 1705 🔗

Masks & Spencer’s, love it! Some (poor) others…

WH ittless, PcR Test World, Home (lockdown) Bargains, and new pub opened up near where I live, The Mask and Visor.

I’m praying for a tornado or massive earthquake at the next Davos meeting. Will little Greta be there too?

255685 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John K, 4, #1010 of 1705 🔗

tkMask ?

255749 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to JohnB, #1011 of 1705 🔗

Excellent additions to the brand, all. We could be onto a winner, my lawyers will be in touch.

255299 G.Fawkes, 18, #1012 of 1705 🔗

Top Pathologist Claims COVID-19 Is “The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On An Unsuspecting Public”
Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”

Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”

“There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.

The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/top-pathologist-claims-covid-19-greatest-hoax-ever-perpetrated-unsuspecting-public

Bitchute link to Zoom call recording:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/hWPjDdXOWkOo/

255311 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #1013 of 1705 🔗

The DM headline is a disgrace plus their version of the Danish study, insists that the virus can not get out but it could get in (the mask) pure sheep fodder. MSM has lost the plot

255314 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1014 of 1705 🔗

They’re bought and paid for.

255317 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1015 of 1705 🔗

MSM playing propaganda for politics playing medicine: a recipe for catastrophic calumny and murderous malfeasance. Nothing new here, move along please.

255327 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1016 of 1705 🔗

The negative comments are always good to read

255393 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Dan Clarke, #1017 of 1705 🔗

Believe me Dan, I don’t feel in the least bit negative about your comment, they’re a total and utter disgrace.

255331 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1018 of 1705 🔗

They know that a massive number of people base their opinion on a headline alone.

255320 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 9, #1019 of 1705 🔗

So for all the nonsense in the MSM, the numbers of deaths appears to have peaked on 8th November. Here is today’s chart released by the NHS for “Covid-19” deaths. Still not heading north towards 1000 or 4000 deaths a day is it?

255334 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DocRC, 11, #1020 of 1705 🔗

And if that’s based on a PCR test then it’s highly likely most of those deaths are from other causes.

255599 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1021 of 1705 🔗

It’d be good to see the age profile if the theory of Carl Heneghan and Ivor Cummins is correct that excess deaths are being seen in lower age groups 20-44. Could these be false SARS cov 2 positives with other symptoms as real cause of death e.g. suicide, heart attacks, etc?

255336 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to DocRC, 13, #1022 of 1705 🔗

Those are deaths of people who have tested positive not deaths caused by covid 19 they are refusing to separate the two the obvious reason for this is that the vast majority of the deaths are with not because of.

255357 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #1023 of 1705 🔗

that’s why “Covid deaths” are in inverted commas!!

255597 ▶▶ Jo, replying to DocRC, 4, #1024 of 1705 🔗

I have a folder on my computer where I store graphs, scientific articles and a few great comments from the posters on this site.
However, I am now completely clear on one thing – as this business has nothing whatsoever to do with the virus, it is pointless to be looking at what is happening with tests, hospital cases and deaths. It is also pointless to point out the massive collateral damage that this lockdown is causing world-wide.
Because whoever is doing this does not give a shit.
I don’t think all MPs are in on it. But there are people in power who are and Matt Hancock is one of them.

255339 calchas, 4, #1025 of 1705 🔗

delete

255340 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1026 of 1705 🔗

7 day average positive tests since Oct 25th. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
What is this nonsense that if you unlock for Christmas you have to then lockdown for an extra 5 days. Wouldn’t you think someone in the MSM would ask to show a 1 day effect somewhere? Looking at this chart can you spot Tier 3 lockdown commencement date, or Lockdown commencement date?

255358 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to NickR, 8, #1027 of 1705 🔗

The MSM are complicit with the lies, they have been since day 1. They’re struggling now to use the numbers to justify things so the lies will become more and more obvious,

255341 NickR, 6, #1028 of 1705 🔗

The positive tests, going nowhere inspite of doing more!

255343 NickR, 3, #1029 of 1705 🔗

Hospital admissions.

255345 NickR, 4, #1030 of 1705 🔗

…. and deaths. Remembering it’s inflated by 20-25% nosocomial cases.

255349 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 40, #1031 of 1705 🔗

I am not having a good day today.
Firstly a podcast I listen to from Washington state was – I believe – critical of a statement one of the conservative supreme judges made.
I cannot remember what exactly he said, but it was like:
The last few months our liberties and human rights have unjustifiably been curbed. The presenters are gay and are always banging on about respect and being open minded.
Then it was announced that Washington State is in Lockdown again from this Monday and they will not meet up to do the podcast but via zoom (other facilitators are available) and encouraged everyone to wear face coverings, stay at home and “SD”.
I put a comment on their FB page to encourage a discussion that as long as they promote this rubbish I will no longer listen and caused a storm. I enjoyed getting a reaction, but the ignorance and refusal to respect a different opinion was terrible. I guess by saying I stop listening to you as I disagree with you on some points makes me as bad, I admit.
I believe I was called a troll, which I think was over the top, by one of the presenters. Another one commented I should not socialise, go out or go shopping and live my life via the internet. I was so flabbergasted by this. Can people really be so vile?

Went out for a walk and had 3 people panicking where to step around me on the pavement.

I am so done with this!
Thank you for giving me a platform to rant and find support.

255363 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Silke David, 20, #1032 of 1705 🔗

As Churchill said, “Keep buggering on!” I think that Covidism has become a rather unpleasant religion; it is like many fundamentalist belief systems in that it does not tolerate alternative ideas.

255423 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to DocRC, 3, #1033 of 1705 🔗

My thoughts entirely, and like all religions it causes more death and destruction around it than any other human activity, even greed.

255600 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DocRC, 1, #1034 of 1705 🔗

Agree. Not to mention destructive as well – destroys lives, businesses, livelihoods, relationships and others that make life worth living.

255367 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Silke David, 18, #1035 of 1705 🔗

1. Yes people are that vile
2. I went out at lunchtime and made a point of walking down the middle of the path. When someone moved to one side, so did I. Did this at least 4 times. The counter swerve game is a particular favourite.

255440 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to CGL, 5, #1036 of 1705 🔗

I frequently do exactly this. Is there a name for it? Anti-swerve maybe?
There is a path through the old churchyard approached by a narrowish gap and two people decided to wait until I had passed. I told them off and said they were stupid.
I have no time or sympathy for these stupid games.

255373 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Silke David, 13, #1037 of 1705 🔗

I’m glad you have an outlet here, so keep using it to rant and find support! Those who scream loudest about being open minded and tolerant have proved to be neither during this insanity. They’re easy to peg because they won’t engage in a rational, fact-based discussion but with hurl insults instead. They’re like petulant little children, which is an insult to children who seem to see through the nonsense more than most adults.

255392 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Silke David, 9, #1038 of 1705 🔗

Sorry to hear about that. No surprises about that podcast, the American west coast is very ‘blue’ and all three states are seemingly trying to outdo each other in covidian-than-thou one-upmanship. The reaction you had reflects that, although RyanM on here is from there.
Plus I too have read about a judge speaking about this being a “constitutional stress test”, it sounded very carefully worded. We might be on the same wavelength.

As for the swervers, it’s nothing personal, just ignore them for being the NPCs they are. Keep posting Silke, I certainly keep needing to.

255433 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Silke David, 2, #1039 of 1705 🔗

Listen to our podcast instead! You’ll have a good old laugh and feel a little better – you can’t be as mental as us!!!

255646 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #1040 of 1705 🔗

I surely will!

255350 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #1041 of 1705 🔗

weekly ‘deaths’ levelled off
infections been falling for 2 weeks (kcl study)

where’s my 4000 deaths a day I was promised??

255355 ▶▶ annie, replying to steve_w, 10, #1042 of 1705 🔗

Lockdown saved you from them.
Now grovel and be grateful.

255405 ▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 1, #1043 of 1705 🔗

Or the growing, doubling, exponential upward spirals?

255448 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, 3, #1044 of 1705 🔗

I would say it will make things tricky for them, but it won’t, because they’ll just come up with some new Not-a-prediction Projection that is nevertheless used to set the next draconian set of rules.

Perhaps a running count of Long Covid sufferers, since the other numbers aren’t rising sufficiently?

255351 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 25, #1045 of 1705 🔗

Call me a cynic but as soon as I saw the report that Boris has just announced £16.5bn of spending for the armed forces it felt like a bribe. The timing just seems a bit odd.

I will not be surprised in the slightest if we see more military involvement in this pandemic over the coming months.

255384 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1046 of 1705 🔗

Who better to quell a bit of civilian unrest than the military?

255497 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to dhpaul, #1047 of 1705 🔗

Bulgarian policemen do a good job.

255698 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to dhpaul, #1048 of 1705 🔗

And/or Boris is planning some sort of Brexit sell-out which will involve signing the armed forces up to the European (aka Ruritanian) Army.

255353 annie, replying to annie, 16, #1049 of 1705 🔗

Why do the people who want us to give up living in order to save lives…

… also take such tremendous delight in every Covviedeath?

255365 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to annie, 9, #1050 of 1705 🔗

Totally agree. They take away everything worth living for and seem to do so with such glee. Also true about the Covviedeaths — big story in the news here that someone who cleans at a school died of Covid. As if people who work at schools don’t die every day and it’s never talked about. I’m sure this means they’ll be closing the schools again soon. The poor sod who dies of cancer and happens to work at a school gets no mention at all.

255385 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1051 of 1705 🔗

There was also this. The only person under 30 to die with CV19 in my area in Northern Ireland, out of 300,000. Not only were the parents told it was heart failure and only later found out it was marked covid, he even had a negative test. Yet he’s still there in the daily figures.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/10/30/news/father-says-derry-teen-was-covid-negative-when-he-died-2114079/

And the comments at the time were very supportive of the family at a tragic time. But all very quiet on the fact we are making statistics up! And adding to family despair. And using it to further agendas.

They haven’t removed his name from death stats. Every day when I check the numbers there he is. The only person under 30. So angry.

255712 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1052 of 1705 🔗

No, not poor old betsy-may? The fat lady, bad knees, a bandage round her ankle, purple face, you know the one who is usually outside smoking?

255354 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 18, #1053 of 1705 🔗

This is very much the right decision, and hopefully they will get on with hearing the case. Suspect Handsy might be sweating a bit:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8964995/Virologist-father-88-died-Covid-care-home-sues-government.html

And this man – Gabriel Scally – is a disgrace to the medical profession:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8965139/Normal-Christmas-throw-fuel-fire-trigger-spike-Covid-19-cases-says-scientist.html

255380 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1054 of 1705 🔗

He’s a disgrace to humanity. Lot of that about right now though.

255428 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1055 of 1705 🔗

Winning the right to launch a Judicial Review into government failure to protect care home residents is excellent news! Best thing I’ve heard all day. Thanks for the post!

255435 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1056 of 1705 🔗

There should be more of this to open the floodgates to keep the government busy.

They got us into this mess, lets see how they like it when the ball’s now in their court.

255360 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 27, #1057 of 1705 🔗

I had a go at “Game of Life 2020”, probably needs more work, here it is so far…
comment image

255372 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to captainbeefheart, 9, #1058 of 1705 🔗

Love it – bit risky having 6 players round a board though?

255381 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to godowneasy, 14, #1059 of 1705 🔗

It must be played in a sterile room. Only one player in the room at a time. After each turn, you must wait 20 days to ensure no virus is alive on any of the equipment.

255961 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to captainbeefheart, #1060 of 1705 🔗

It would take – what – 357 years to complete a game?

255506 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #1061 of 1705 🔗

V funny! How about a card saying “You failed to wear a mask during your zoom conference and are dismissed from your job. Lose 100 points.”

255585 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1062 of 1705 🔗

Do you need to go into full lockdown when the R number or cases rise?

255707 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1063 of 1705 🔗

Whilst waiting between turns all players must self isolate

255618 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1064 of 1705 🔗

Crackin’! I particularly like the 120-sided die.

255706 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Mabel Cow, #1065 of 1705 🔗

“Congratulations! It’s a GENDER-57”

That reminds me – I forgot to make the pink and blue pegs grey…

255368 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #1066 of 1705 🔗

“GCHQ analysts have been given access to mobile phone data to track the public’s movements during the national lockdown. The up-to-the-minute reports on compliance are passed to the Prime Minister”

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1329459699159347200

255369 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Victoria, 11, #1067 of 1705 🔗

Just don’t carry one, you might as well have a chip in your arm. My £5 Tesco PAYG does fine for me.

255493 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1068 of 1705 🔗

Exactly right. If you don’t want to be spied on, get a ‘burner’.

255605 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1069 of 1705 🔗

I dont do ‘Smart’ anything. Never had a smart phone, mine’s a little retro Nokia. Bliss.

255370 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Victoria, 3, #1070 of 1705 🔗

Does GCHQ require us to superglue our phones to our faces now?

255401 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #1071 of 1705 🔗

Stop with the ideas.

255432 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Victoria, 10, #1072 of 1705 🔗

When the ‘Covid notification’ thing appeared without permission on our Android, we realised that the the luxury of having a ‘smart’ phone was one we could do without. I have disabled/deleted everything Google that it’s possible to disable/delete on it and it stays permanently switched off in the piano stool. I guess it could be a back-up computer if needed.

Then I bought a 2G phone, changed our mobile number and blocked any NHS numbers we were aware of (those 0300 ones) and it never leaves the house. We use it for texting/phoning friends and family.

As for ‘safety’, I have lived most of my life without a mobile phone and I guess I’ll manage what’s left of it without one too. ‘Pity about the old phone boxes, they occasionally came in useful, back in the day. MW

255449 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #1073 of 1705 🔗

I remember back in the 70’s in the village I grew up in, a lot of the villagers didn’t have a phone and had to use the phone box.
Imagine that!
Going out to wait for a call at the phone box.
Crazy.

255674 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1074 of 1705 🔗

I know a teacher of the grammar school who did not have a phone. they used the neighbours!

255700 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Silke David, -1, #1075 of 1705 🔗

Grammer school teacher eh?
I bet she used to stride in without knocking and say haughtily “excuse me, I hope I didn’t disturb anything, I have come to use your phone, can you step outside for a few minutes please, its confidential school business! Thank you!

255438 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Victoria, 2, #1076 of 1705 🔗

How do they know what reasons people have for going where they go? Therefore how do they know if they are “complying” or not? They don’t have a clue if the 20-mile drive you just did was essential or not.

This is why I keep mobile data and location services off at all times except for emergencies, although I guess you’d need your phone to be turned off completely or it will register with the mobile phone towers anyway?

255470 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to A. Contrarian, #1077 of 1705 🔗

What mobile phone towers? LOL you obviously don’t live in a rural area. Suits me fine that there is poor reception.

255569 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 1, #1078 of 1705 🔗

At the very least buy RFI holders for your phone.

255668 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, #1079 of 1705 🔗

Good that my Doro call and text only phone stays at home these days.

255374 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 6, #1080 of 1705 🔗

Just been in to ‘Settings’ on my oldish i-phone and found something called ‘Turn On Exposure Notifications’ was turned ‘ON’, and that now ‘your public health authority can notify you of possible exposure to COVID-19’.
I have no recollection of turning this on; I have not downloaded the T&T app.
Anyone any thoughts on what may be happening?
P.S I’ve turned it off.

255378 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PaulC, 4, #1081 of 1705 🔗

Google rolled out a similar thing on Android phones a little while ago. I rolled back Google Play Services to get rid of it completely. It regularly reminds me that I should really update it. Not happening.

255389 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to leggy, 2, #1082 of 1705 🔗

I have an Android phone and get a message that says ‘Urgent software updates available’. It’s been coming through virtually every day for the last two months. Also not happening.

255427 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biggles, 1, #1083 of 1705 🔗

Been ignoring that as well.

255382 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to PaulC, #1084 of 1705 🔗

Google and Apple have put what was an App in their OS. You have to turn off now, and keep checking its off, because it will go back on. You also have to turn off any tracking through Google Maps etc.

255391 ▶▶ alw, replying to PaulC, 2, #1085 of 1705 🔗

Every time your phone does an update you should look at what it’s added and turn off/delete.

255402 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PaulC, 1, #1086 of 1705 🔗

I havent let my phone update – it will be useless soon

255463 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to CGL, 3, #1087 of 1705 🔗

My S4 is so old now there are no updates. Suits me fine. Fuck them.

255415 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to PaulC, 2, #1088 of 1705 🔗

Also if you have an iPhone I would recommend turning off the ‘significant locations’ function (Settings > Privacy > Location Services > System Services > Significant Locations). I discovered a few months ago that my phone had been tracking all of my journeys for the last few years.

255379 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 19, #1089 of 1705 🔗

I am on a Facebook Group of 1.8K NHS workers for choice r/e the vaccine (the one the press advertised as anti vaxx)

I can tell you, from that group, everything we suspected is correct. And they are not happy about the vaccine. A sleeping giant has awoken.

https://twitter.com/1Mirror1978/status/1329333512038658048

Read the comments below

255383 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Victoria, 7, #1090 of 1705 🔗

Over 2000 joined now

255399 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 10, #1091 of 1705 🔗

Come on people – get this thing rolling!

255400 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Victoria, 7, #1092 of 1705 🔗

That and the Ticketmaster backlash should give us some cause for optimism.

255545 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 6, #1093 of 1705 🔗

The PCR result in Portugal is huge too. In shows that there are legs in the class action brought by the Corona Committee in Germany. They’ve PCR at its v centre and alleging outright fraud

255484 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Victoria, #1094 of 1705 🔗

Splendid!

255386 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1095 of 1705 🔗

The brain damaged pig dictator has announced that he has set up a special GCHQ unit at Downing Street to monitor the emerging threat of the virus

They listen in on us, so I’ve decided to listen in on them

So children shall we go over and see how they are getting on

BDPD ‘ How’s it going?’

GCQC Wallah ‘ Good, good, we’ve established the mobile phone number and the e mail
address that the virus is using’

BDPD ‘And’

GCHQW ‘ We think it’s a sleeper, possibly been here since 1962 living alone in a bungalow in Saffron Waldon. We are having problems with encryption at the moment. It appears to be using the Tanzanian Guava Fruit Code II which we haven’t seen since 1946’

BDPD ‘Clever bugger’

GCHQW ‘ We can’t run it through the Super Computers so a couple of guys from Bletchley are doing it on paper. I have a couple of partial decrypts for you’

Pr*n***s n*t n*ts is b**k*rs

P*R t****ng is a mo****nt*l sh*t sh*w

BDPD ‘ What is it saying?’

GCHQW ‘We’ve given it to the analysts and they say it means a third wave is arriving at 3.26pm on the 8th of January

BDPD ‘ Nil verbus, umpty dumpty, that’s exactly what SAGE have been saying, even down to the time. I’ll get them working on a new lockdown’

GCHQW ‘We are good aren’t we. There’s more though, we believe we may have identified a Welsh cell. This was intercepted at 3.05am this morning being sent to various IP’s over the border

H**dy Co** sh**s **eep

BDPD ‘Bloody devolution, what does it mean?’

‘Not sure Sir could be in Welsh’

255397 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1096 of 1705 🔗

Ha-ha!

So there’s an emerging threat of a virus ? OMG, bloody hell, we’d better all panic – now! MW

255398 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1097 of 1705 🔗

GCHQ: The only government department that listens to its citizens.

255417 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to G.Fawkes, #1098 of 1705 🔗

The only citizens that listen to its government surely?

255412 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1099 of 1705 🔗

Very good:)

255414 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1100 of 1705 🔗

Forget Wuhan, it all comes back to Saffron Walden!

255437 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Biggles, 1, #1101 of 1705 🔗

Doesn’t everything come back to SW in the end?

255498 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1102 of 1705 🔗

Yeah, it’s the mythical Gateway to Hell. Somewhere just off Hollyhock Road.

255687 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to annie, #1103 of 1705 🔗

Is it like a vampire and needs an invitation to cross the threshold by the owner of a certain coffee shop?
I guess it will die of thirst then.

255614 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1104 of 1705 🔗

I’ve said this before, but feel moved nonetheless to say it again:

I love you, Cecil B

255395 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1105 of 1705 🔗

Dr Hans Kluge, WHO regional director for Europe, said that Fresh lockdowns in Europe are avoidable, including through near-universal mask-wearing…. if mask use reached 95%, lockdowns would not be needed.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1119/1179156-who-coronavirus/

What is he on about? How does he know this? Setting aside the fact that there is no evidence that masks do anything useful, does anyone here know what universal mask wearing actually means? The term is often used but I can’t find a definition. Does it mean that everyone should wear a mask in all locations 24/7?

255404 ▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1106 of 1705 🔗

His surname means ‘clever’.
How ironic.

255515 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 4, #1107 of 1705 🔗

Odd since he’s clearly klugeless.

255476 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1108 of 1705 🔗

Does he have a Chinese bank account?

255406 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 6, #1109 of 1705 🔗

same as everything https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/19/danish-covid-mink-variant-very-likely-extinct-but-controversial-cull-continues like the vaccines, they can say this with ‘absolute certainty’. That kind of BS is so rich it should be bottled and kept for posterity.

255416 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Iansn, 12, #1110 of 1705 🔗

#MinkLivesMatter

255542 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to leggy, 1, #1111 of 1705 🔗

Best keep an eye on Tiddles.

255587 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Bugle, 5, #1112 of 1705 🔗

Can you imagine the kick back if there were any suggestion from sage or the scientist that cats and dogs were infectious and a cull was proposed……? This COVID bullshit would be over in a jiffy from all those pet owners.
If people want to see a comparison, have a look at what happened in 1939-1940 government action on pets.

255689 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Alan P, 2, #1113 of 1705 🔗

It could easily happen. I hope people would resist.

255793 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bugle, #1114 of 1705 🔗

When pet culls have been suggested, I’ve seen a lot of people saying there is no way anyone will take their dog.

255791 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Alan P, #1115 of 1705 🔗

I have to admit to taking pleasure in pointing out the possibility of pet culls on those mink articles. Not because I want anything to happen to people’s pets but because there must be something that will shock them out of their complacency.

255806 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to ConstantBees, #1116 of 1705 🔗

Yep – kill a cancer patient and silence, but just try and cull Fido! That ought to do it.

255934 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Alan P, #1117 of 1705 🔗

People would far sooner allow their fellow humans to be culled in my view.

255409 John Galt, 3, #1118 of 1705 🔗

I’m finding more and more lately that it’s becoming extremely hard to find relevant and useful information from search engines. Anything you want to research appears impossible to find, and you just get presented with misleading, nonsense, “fact checked” information. For this reason I think a handy tool kit of links is very helpful.

Vaccine Sceptic Tool Kit
Only two images. One showing that the vaccine is a whole new type of vaccine and the other showing that vaccines usually take up to and over 10 years to roll out. The only argument you’ll ever need regarding vaccines, as they’re going to desperately attempt to make us out to be lunatics when we say we don’t want the vaccine. Keeping your argument to these two points will make it harder for them to argue.
https://imgur.com/a/ike7KpC

COVID-19: the lowdown
This is a great site that has put together news stories for varying categories such as masks, testing, deaths, the economy etc.
https://covid19thelowdown.wordpress.com/

Overwhelmed NHS Tool Kit
Eight images showing that the NHS is always overwhelmed.
https://imgur.com/a/DyxNh6C

Lockdown Effects Tool Kit
Thirteen images showing the effects of lockdown.
https://imgur.com/a/nHIPVzm

CDC COVID-19 Provisional Counts
Amazingly the CDC website is excellent for pointing out how ridiculous everything is. They actually list all of the covid deaths via comorbidity, and as 94% of deaths classed as covid in the US have a comorbidity, it’s really quite something to see what these people are actually dying of.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

Any other ideas for some more that I could do?

255411 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 19, #1119 of 1705 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418

Why have no supermarket workers got it then? I have spoken to many and none have said that staff have been off due to cv.

255429 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1120 of 1705 🔗

Also, doesn’t that mean they should close supermarkets and let all the smaller independent shops reopen….

255466 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1121 of 1705 🔗

1. I have always thought that supermarkets are the major infection arenas. Explains why lockdowns are ineffective since that’s where those on lockdown and those not on lockdown mix the most. Supports the idea that virus particles in the air and on deposited mucus are the main infection routes.

2. Most supermarket workers are under 60 and probably fitter than the general population on average due to their active work. They also probably have been exposed to the full range of coronaviruses in their work so have good cross immunity.

3. That said, retail workers have had a slightly higher death rate than the population at large. So we might be seeing here a pattern of higher exposure but less vulnerability. Of course that’s for the whole of the retail sector, so not just supermarkets.

255696 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to OKUK, 1, #1122 of 1705 🔗

re 3. my theory is that a lot of retailers are of black and asian background, and yes, corona v is racist – or not.
Probably working 12 hours in a cornershop 7 days a week, hardly any fresh air, sunshine and exercise does not help.
Have we got any information which sector of retail is most affected?

255467 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1123 of 1705 🔗

Errr. But surely that’s because it’s Bluetooth and you are ignoring the reality of the super masks ?

Actually this is a confusing finding. How can you be near to a stranger for 15 minutes in a super market. It’s not possible is it ???

What’s going on here ?

255576 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1124 of 1705 🔗

It’s sky news….. ffs

255655 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Sarigan, #1125 of 1705 🔗

My theory is these people were breaking one of these crazy laws, like visiting family and decided not to own up to that, instead they claim the only place they’ve been was a supermarket.

255418 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #1126 of 1705 🔗

Today NHS England announced another small rise in the total of Covid patients in English NHS hospitals, so in the last 7 days the total in hospital has risen from 12199 to 13626 that is a rise of 11.7%. I am no statistician but altogether the increase does not look exponential or even terribly significant. On the BBC news at lunchtime much of the Covid discussion seemed to be anecdotal and sentimental, we can’t have Christmas because it will kill Granny & Grandad and tales of poor stressed out, burnt out NHS staff who could barely cope a day longer. It now seems to me that this approach was because even the dodgy data is now letting them down and they need to use sentiment and guilt to continue the lock-down.

As far as the NHS is concerned, these lock-down are being imposed by statutory instruments written under the Public Health Act, this Act is to protect public health not to save the NHS. If they want to restrict our public freedoms in order to protect the NHS then they should enact a separate protect the NHS Act. The whole legal basis of what is going on here is now looking very dodgy but if Simon Dolan with all his money is struggling to make progress with a legal challenge there would seem little hope for the rest of us.

255425 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1127 of 1705 🔗

The comments on Public health are bang on mate!

255442 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1128 of 1705 🔗

Often it’s not the big high-profile legal cases that succeed – they are stamped on for political reasons – it’s the myriad small cases at local court level, such as people refusing to pay fines etc that can make the difference.

255507 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1129 of 1705 🔗

When o when will Dolan actually get a decision? Haven’t heard much in two weeks.

I think you raise an excellent point. They do what they can to keep it going. When numbers don’t do it emotional blackmail it is. UK no good? Let’s show under pressure hospitals in El Paso. Or dig out old footage from Italy if all else fails. Or just lie. Lies are good.

255419 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 30, #1130 of 1705 🔗

My younger son (mask exempt) works on the checkout at a high street chain store and deals with customers (masked and unmasked) for hours on end every day and neither him nor his colleagues have “succumbed “

255434 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1131 of 1705 🔗

sound lad.

255512 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #1132 of 1705 🔗

Ta.

255520 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #1133 of 1705 🔗

Cheers.

255460 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #1134 of 1705 🔗

Well done him. And no documented cases of an outbreak in any store that has never been closed even through “lockdown” and its sequel “mockdown”. Society claps for the NHS and forgets how much people in retail have given.

255514 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Leemc23, 1, #1135 of 1705 🔗

Thank you.

255426 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 17, #1136 of 1705 🔗

Is there anyone out there that can do a great reset spoof video?

“i own fuck all. I have no prospects. I rent everything and if I can’t afford it, I’m fucked. I can’t drive a vehicle that’s within my budget. I must wear a mask. Can’t meet people. Can’t go down a pub or bar. Can’t hug or shag. Be kind. Save lives. Unprecedented times. Stay safe…….AND I’M HAPPY”

255439 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 15, #1137 of 1705 🔗

I think you’ve just written the script for the John Lewis Christmas advert.

255451 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1138 of 1705 🔗

Lol. Brilliant Cranmer !

255444 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #1139 of 1705 🔗

Hitler parody anyone?
Mein Fuhrer, our apartments and houses, here, here and here, have been reallocated to millennial renters and we have been allocated this bunker at a very reasonable rent.
No problem, we can go for a drive in the country at weekends.
Mein Fuhrer…private cars… are no longer… permitted

etc

255453 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #1140 of 1705 🔗

Downfall? This one is brilliant, had me in stitches.

https://youtu.be/z4bzwNH7XnM

255456 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Andy Riley, #1141 of 1705 🔗

Like it andy!

255452 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 12, #1142 of 1705 🔗

Luxury -(said in broad Yorkshire accent).

I am not allowed to come within six feet of other people or allowed to travel more than one hundred feet from my front door, I have to wear PPE at all times and soak my hands in bleach ten times a day. I will not be allowed to work ever again but will receive UBI. I will in future be vaccinated once a week to stop me from having children or killing myself – and I’m fucking ecstatic.

With thanks to the ‘Four Yorkshiremen’ by Monty Python

255492 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #1143 of 1705 🔗

You are lucky (delivered in broad Yorkshire).

To be kept safe I spend my life 24/7 in a straightjacket, suspended in a vat of disinfectant.

I am not allowed to communicate with any other human being even electronically, because it might upset me. I have soothing music piped into a headset to keep me calm, and my nutrients are provided from a drip controlled by AI.

…and I can’t imagine anything better.

255455 ▶▶ Henry, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #1144 of 1705 🔗

Not a spoof, but thought provoking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2wj_OhZY4w

255504 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #1145 of 1705 🔗

You people keep me sane with your jest. Without humour we are even more fucked.

255577 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #1146 of 1705 🔗

We do our best.

255562 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #1147 of 1705 🔗

Yes I’m happy because I’ve been vaccinated against unhappiness. It’s great. I’m so, so…er….happy. I think.

255443 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 7, #1148 of 1705 🔗

I think it is time we stopped calling the masketeers sheeple.

I suggest instead – shlemmings. I trust I don’t have to explain that conjunction of words and I think it accurately portrays their tendency to want to destroy themselves at the same time as the rest of civilisation.

255461 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1149 of 1705 🔗

Shlemmings. That’s good.

255462 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Old Bill, #1150 of 1705 🔗

Good proposal, TES calls the self-perpetuating hysteria the lemming cycle.

255483 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Old Bill, 17, #1151 of 1705 🔗

My preferred term is muppet .

255490 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1152 of 1705 🔗

Love it..

255457 Mark, replying to Mark, 20, #1153 of 1705 🔗

Boris Johnson vows to make UK the ‘foremost naval power in Europe’ with £24bn MOD budget boost as No10 is forced to insist extra cash is not an attempt to impress Joe Biden and defence minister admits he ‘doesn’t know’ where money is coming from

Well, it is genuinely “Conservative” to splurge money without having a clue where it’s coming from, as we are now well aware. But we should all be grateful that the “Conservatives” are going to splurge money we don’t have on making us the ‘foremost naval power in Europe’, since if we aren’t the ‘foremost naval power in Europe’ then obviously we would be invaded and occupied by one of the list of powers currently poised on our doorsteps to do so.

And once we have been invaded and occupied, all kinds of bad things are likely. We would be bossed about by unaccountable authoritarian aliens with no respect for our traditions, our liberties or our persons and property. Idiots would be given control over our daily lives. We might be confined to our homes and encouraged to inform on each other. Political protest would be forbidden and dissent punished. We would be subjected to massive daily propaganda lies and perhaps to coerced medical treatments.

Hard to imagine, I know….

255523 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Mark, 5, #1154 of 1705 🔗

Sounds like a war is in the offing. The neo-cons are back afterall. They’ll need a distraction after this…

255652 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Noumenon, #1155 of 1705 🔗

I wonder what poor sods in the middle east will be next. My guess is that Assad in Syria will be the next target for democracy via bombing.

255797 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cranmer, #1156 of 1705 🔗

Possible, but the narrative has been leaning much more towards direct confrontation with Russia/China in the last few years. Sounds insane, but it’s true.

There are plenty of other theatres to choose from however: Venezuela, Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Iran to name just a handful. That’s if the US doesn’t have a civil war at this rate…

255826 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Noumenon, 1, #1157 of 1705 🔗

You think you can rebuild a Navy that’s been neglected for decades in a week? Warships take a long time to design and build. Usually 10-15 years from initial design to commissioned first of class.

255537 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Mark, 5, #1158 of 1705 🔗

Apparently (not confirmed) it is mostly AI stuff and will be used against us, the enemy.

255611 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #1159 of 1705 🔗

Yes – I know. We need protection from these furriners who have scant regard for the constitutional protection of our liberties that we fight so hard to maintain. An aircraft carrier will do the job – even without ‘planes, I’m sure.

Now …. where’s that leaflet about what Portugal has on offer …… ?

255656 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, #1160 of 1705 🔗

Portugal has quite good deals for ex-pats – I believe you can live there tax free for ten years.

256002 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, #1161 of 1705 🔗

Legalised weed as well.

255641 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mark, #1162 of 1705 🔗

Boris likes to be piped aboard.

255458 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 4, #1163 of 1705 🔗

Keep getting emails from Ticketmaster and the like for rescheduled concerts and shows in 2021. I’m not sure they get it. This has got at least another 18 months to run assuming we get out of it at all.

255526 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Achilles, 6, #1164 of 1705 🔗

Tell them: NO MORE PURCHASES WHILE MANDATORY MASKS!

255679 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1165 of 1705 🔗

Yes, I have been replying to any businesses etc that email me trying to entice me to their premises by replying that I will not visit them as long as masks and/or track and trace is mandatory.

255469 leggy, replying to leggy, 1, #1166 of 1705 🔗

This was on the main page recently and I posted this in a reply below, but it’s worth watching if you need a cheering up – :

Boris Johnson learns of the results of the second lockdown
https://youtu.be/z4bzwNH7XnM

On another point – someone earlier posted the whole recording of that session in Alberta where the pathologist dropped some truth bombs, but I’m buggered if I can find it now – can anyone link me?

255472 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to leggy, #1167 of 1705 🔗
255477 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1168 of 1705 🔗

Thanks, that’s the important 5 minutes, but someone posted a link to the whole session – I think it was an hour long? Whoever posted it suggested that the rest was worth a listen too. I’ll have to trawl through.

255481 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to leggy, 1, #1169 of 1705 🔗
255505 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mabel Cow, #1170 of 1705 🔗

Thanks MC!

255480 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to leggy, 1, #1171 of 1705 🔗
255473 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1172 of 1705 🔗

Alert if any of Swedenborg, Guy or DocRC is checking in.

I’ve attached the link to the supplementary appendix to today’s published study in The Lancet of Phase II trials of the Oxford Vaccine. Bemused by the 13 serious adverse events in the trial (not specified between the experimental vaccine and the control MenC vaccine from what I can see) that are apparently normal events in a population context. The table is on Page 31. Some of these events, in a relatively small number of supposedly healthy participants, look quite serious. Moreover, the published article refers to ‘suspected unexpected’ serious adverse events in the ongoing Phase III trials that have yet to be assessed. Doesn’t exactly fill you with confidence?

https://www.thelancet.com/cms/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)32466-1/attachment/1246f6f0-bef8-4428-b9d1-cf9aaced64bd/mmc1.pdf

255496 ▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress, -6, #1173 of 1705 🔗

Can other people read it as well? I have a degree in chemistry. Good enough for you?

255509 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, 2, #1174 of 1705 🔗

Gosh, I wasn’t trying to include/exclude anyone John. I remember specific names of scientists or doctors on here. Apologies to you and anyone else who might be offended if I missed them off the list.

255510 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John P, #1175 of 1705 🔗

The word “degree” automatically disqualifies you…

255594 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Voz 0db, #1176 of 1705 🔗

Alternative bollocks is still ‘bollocks’.

255534 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1177 of 1705 🔗

I see in twitter that David Spiegelhalter has commented on the Pfizer vaccine that it’s looking safe. I think I am on another planet now. The Pfizer trial is going on until June 2021 according to their paper. Has it been changed? And how much have they now paid David S to comment? This is all beyond terrifying. Beyond what I could have imagined would happen to us.

255549 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Jo, 4, #1178 of 1705 🔗

“Looking safe”. That’s alright then. Spiegelhalter can be first in the queue; I won’t object.

255536 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1179 of 1705 🔗

I thought they screened vaccine trial volunteers closely as they want healthy people so highly suspicious.

255540 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1180 of 1705 🔗

There are many fun parts on that waste of resources! This is one of those:

Individuals who would rely solely on public transport to attend a symptomatic visit may put members of the public at risk and so should not be enrolled to the study.

255566 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1181 of 1705 🔗

None of the adverse events look to me likely to be vaccine related. There was previous mention of someone in the trial who developed transverse myelitis (an inflammation of the spinal cord which may well be auto-immune and therefore to my mind a possible vaccine adverse reaction) but that case doesn’t appear in the published article. Strange!

255583 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DocRC, #1182 of 1705 🔗

Thanks for that. It was in Phase I stage, from memory, but not included in the July Lancet article either.

255788 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to DocRC, #1183 of 1705 🔗

That was my impression as a lay person too.

255474 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, #1184 of 1705 🔗

Euromomo.eu is now beginning to show an excess of deaths in some of the nations of the UK. Not just last week but previous weeks. No such excess showing for similar weeks in 2017, 2018 or 2019.

Any thoughts?

255478 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1185 of 1705 🔗

Lockdown killing people.

255479 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #1186 of 1705 🔗

How many cancer operations and screenings have been postponed over the last 8 months?

I was expecting the consequences of that to start impacting on mortality about now.

Remember, the great majority of deaths from lockdown have still to occur.

255591 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, #1187 of 1705 🔗

I think it will take a bit longer to become clear.

255503 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1188 of 1705 🔗

LOCKDOWNS! LACK OF HEALTH CARE ACCESS…

In short and just for you,

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255528 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #1189 of 1705 🔗

Carl Heneghan and Ivor Cummins have mentioned this. It is deaths at home, and in the younger age group than covid. So they’re saying it’s not Covid, because most people who get actually ill with it go to hospital. So heart attacks, strokes, and suicides mainly.

255586 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo, #1190 of 1705 🔗

Indeed. You can filter Euromomo charts by age group to see where they have been concentrated

255589 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo, #1191 of 1705 🔗

Euromomo is a bit rough and ready as a guide.

The detail shows current mortality as average if you take a long enough sample of years.

But the slight rise above the low norm of the last few years is certainly nothing to do with SARS.

256066 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to RickH, #1192 of 1705 🔗

It really doesn’t. ONS figures are clearly above historic trends. They will rise for a while yet. 2019 was previously the highest mortality in the past 10 years. Were 1200/week above that at the moment.

256063 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Londo Mollari, #1193 of 1705 🔗

For the most recent week deaths are 20% up on historic mean. They are up in all ages above 45, so it’s not a wave of young suicides due to lockdown. about 1200 above the previous maximum and 1900 above the mean. It will continue to rise as the past admissions feed through, to 25-50% of historic mean by Christmas. It’s is the result of increased contacts from September. It’s too early for seasonal mortality.

Peak influenza is normally week 2. We’ll exceed that peak by Christmas.

255475 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 21, #1194 of 1705 🔗

Re: Sebastian Friebel’s report, it looks like us ‘join up the dots’ conspiracy theorists were right all along, and the so-phisticated commentariat, who were too cool to suspect such things, were wrong. This is nothing less than the triumph of property rights over democracy. The pressure for mandatory vaccination is increasing round the world, and the close connection of vaccines to health passes and digitalised ID and the cashless society are too obvious to be dismissed.

Playing along and hoping it will all go away will not work. This will only stop because we say “no”.

255603 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Bugle, #1195 of 1705 🔗

The Guardian has a headline “Highest deaths in UK for 10 years.”

255632 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1196 of 1705 🔗

Of course it has. Dec 2nd looms.

255735 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1197 of 1705 🔗

Even if that’s true, what did we do 10 years ago to protect the NHS and save lives, in the face of such an appalling death toll? Nothing.

255794 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bugle, 1, #1198 of 1705 🔗

Still not convinced. You believe it if you like, but I still cannot reconcile what is being said in “Covid 19: The Great Reset” by the man himself, Klaus Schwab, with what people opposed to his Green views are saying “it means”. I freely admit I’ve got more work to do yet, but if things such as mandatory vax, health passports, etc are about to come to pass, it’s nothing to do with Schwab, but rather politicians on the ground. Cashless society has been floated for decades, that one is nothing new.

However, I agree 100% with your final sentence…

255798 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Bugle, 1, #1199 of 1705 🔗

Exactly right. Any tiny doubt that I might have had, any small glimmer of hope that this was exaggerated has now been blown out of the window by this brilliant report.
I have forwarded it to my son who thinks I am a conspiracy theorist and has been patronising about my concern about totalitarian supranational forces.

255485 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #1200 of 1705 🔗

This Dr Kluge obviously hasn’t read the new mask study as he seems to think 95% of people wearing masks would stop transmission. Why are humans arrogant enough to think they can control a virus?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/19/covid-who-one-death-17-seconds-europe-hans-kluge

255499 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #1201 of 1705 🔗

Degenerate uman animals BELIEVE they can control the UNIVERSE… not just a simple virus!

255501 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #1202 of 1705 🔗

Kluge sounds too much like clunge for me to take anything he says seriously.

255518 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to leggy, 1, #1203 of 1705 🔗

Ironically “Kluge” is German for “Clever!”

255486 kf99, replying to kf99, 4, #1204 of 1705 🔗

What the SNP spend our money on
https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1329201871869894656
“Advisory group for the reintroduction of low level music and audio”

255553 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to kf99, 4, #1205 of 1705 🔗

Personally, I blame those sub-woofers for pushing Covid around the room. Clearly we need to warn the public that tunes like ‘Another one bites the dust’ are potentially lethal. Too much bass. It might make you enjoy yourself, and then there’s no telling what might happen. Dancing. Flirting. Intercourse…

Thank goodness we have the Tartan Taliban to save us from ourselves.

255709 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #1206 of 1705 🔗

Only Enya allowed from now on

255731 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1207 of 1705 🔗

Only treble songs allowed.

255778 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DJ Dod, #1208 of 1705 🔗

In Wales we have the Traffic Taliban.

255494 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1209 of 1705 🔗

Masks Do Not Protect From Coronavirus
What novelty!!!

The best evidence ( warning: we have to pretend that PCR is a test and that we’ve a gold standard for it) that masks DO NOT WORK is the japanese herd!

Many already used face masks before the YEAR OF THE MORONS, and now even more use it… and YET,

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255524 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Voz 0db, 9, #1210 of 1705 🔗

Spain has the strictest mandate in Europe, that should be enough evidence given their subsequent results.

255615 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DRW, 5, #1211 of 1705 🔗

Spain had 1 of the worst and most restrictive lockdowns in Europe and they have had the worst spikes in deaths etc. They should be the perfect example of why lockdowns don’t work.

255511 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #1213 of 1705 🔗

This makes little sense. I always thought respiratory viruses evolve into milder forms as it is to their advantage to spread easily without disabling the host . And if Norway’s lockdown caused a milder version of the virus to spread why not Belgium’s UK’s or Spain’s. The writer needs to do their homework!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/19/coronavirus-evolving-deadlier-evidence-social-distancing-covid-19

255521 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #1214 of 1705 🔗

Total bollocks from a Graun journo-tart.

255522 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 9, #1215 of 1705 🔗

It’s a little questionable reading Guardian articles and then complaining that your reading material “makes little sense”!

Think yourself lucky if it’s not just transparent lies from start to finish like most Guardian material.

255530 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Mark, 6, #1216 of 1705 🔗

I read them to see what the opposite side of the debate has to say.

255535 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #1217 of 1705 🔗

Fair enough, and that’s a good approach generally. Though personally I do think the Guardian is perhaps going further than absolutely necessary.

255554 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 4, #1218 of 1705 🔗

On this one, I agree with you. Since the Queen of Graun Tarts, Viner, took over, the editorial line stretches belief to an absurd extreme of crediblity.

Often, supposing the opposite gets you closer to the truth.

255550 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #1219 of 1705 🔗

A wise approach.

255759 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #1220 of 1705 🔗

I read some of the comments but it became hard not to think that some of the commenters were psychotic. Quit reading before my blood pressure went up too much.

255533 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #1221 of 1705 🔗

They make it up as they go along…a few weeks ago they were pushing the “‘superspreaders explain everything” line. Then that fell out of fashion.

255702 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #1222 of 1705 🔗

You should try Offguardian , some very good articles and thoughtful commentary to be found there .

255525 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #1223 of 1705 🔗

Shocking Data Reveal Inaccuracy of PCR Tests

Circling back to the PCR cycle threshold and its influence on positivity rates, Bigtree reviews research13 showing that to really maximize accuracy, PCR tests should use far fewer cycles.

At just 17 cycles, 100% of the positive results were confirmed to be real positives. In other words, 17 cycles would likely be the ideal CT. Above 17 cycles, accuracy drops dramatically. By the time you get to 33 cycles, the accuracy rate is a mere 20%, meaning 80% are false positives. Beyond 34 cycles, your chance of a positive PCR test being a true positive shrinks to zero. This is the graph from that study.14

 Percentage of positive viral culture of SARS-CoV-2 PCR-positive nasopharyngeal samples from Covid-19 patients, according to Ct value (plain line). The dashed curve indicates the polynomial regression curve.

Other data presented by Bigtree shows that your chances of getting a true positive on the first day of COVID-19 symptom onset is only about 40%. Not until Day 3 from symptom onset do you have an 80% chance of getting an accurate PCR result.

If you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more … the chances of it being replication-confident are minuscule … You almost never can culture a virus from a 37 threshold cycle … [or] even 36 … ~ Dr. Anthony Fauci

By Day 5 the accuracy shrinks considerably and by Day 8 the accuracy is nil. Now, these are symptomatic people. When you’re asymptomatic, your odds of a positive PCR test being accurate is therefore virtually nonexistent.

255527 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1225 of 1705 🔗

Wow, this is a novel reason for seeking to curb the vaccine debate: ‘ He is said to be interested in the area because Islamist and far-Right groups use false Covid-19 claims to groom recruits’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8965963/Covid-anti-vaxxers-face-action-spreading-false-information-counter-terror-officer-says.html

255532 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1226 of 1705 🔗

When in doubt and lying through the teeth – stick a spike up the Scary Fairy’s bum.

255546 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1227 of 1705 🔗

It really is laughable that the mainstream media unquestionably publish this rubbish.

Perhaps the UK government have editorial oversight? Anyone who criticises Establishment backed causes gets attacked as a religious or political extremist.

These people seem to see most of the UK population as a potential terrorist threat / enemy. Absolutely crazy.

255777 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, #1228 of 1705 🔗

Perhaps they really ought to be careful what they wish for.

255721 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1229 of 1705 🔗

So not just far right conspiracy nuts but Islamists too now. Who else can we straw-man opponents with?

255548 peter charles, replying to peter charles, 21, #1230 of 1705 🔗

In my personal search for why people seem to like masks and lockdowns I speak to strangers and my family. It looks very much like religious fervour to me. For example, I sent the link to the Danish study to a family member, and immediately got a request not to send this sort of thing as people have different views. In short – relativism – the curse of this age.

255555 ▶▶ calchas, replying to peter charles, 20, #1231 of 1705 🔗

By the same logic we should not be forced to wear masks or to anti-socially distance.

Because WE have different views.

If it is merely a matter of views, then each should wear masks or distance as he sees fit.

The fact that these things are mandatory however, takes it out of the realm of ‘views’. It then has to be justified by science.

I would be happy if it were only a matter of views, then we would be free to act according to our opinions.

255565 ▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to calchas, 5, #1232 of 1705 🔗

good point. And I must admit that I have had enough of the lemmings. I even take pleasure in not wearing a mask in shops now. Desmond Swayne on JHB talkradio- he’s my man (along with Toby, JD, …). But, you know, I still think I would instantly forgive the PM if he did a 180 degree turn on all this, despite me presently holding him in utter contempt.

255570 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to peter charles, 9, #1233 of 1705 🔗

I know what you mean but ain’t gonna happen so our only hope is the 1922 Committee. He has to be removed.

255610 ▶▶▶▶▶ Al T, replying to OKUK, 3, #1234 of 1705 🔗

Yes, our hopes in the short term rest with Sir Graham Brady, Steve Baker et al.

Let’s hope their starting point is no restrictions and they are not bought off with weasel words and a tier system.

It may make no difference. Starmer’s pusilanimous Labour seem content to make political capital from Johnson’s flip flopping incompetence rather than recognising the horrible effects of lockdown on the people their party was created to represent. But a major backbench revolt -in effect a vote of no confidence- will be the beginning of the end.

255620 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Al T, 4, #1235 of 1705 🔗

Yes, our hopes in the short term rest with Sir Graham Brady, Steve Baker et al.

I wouldn’t put too much faith in that lot. Maybe Sir Charles Walker and Sir Desmond Swaine, but Baker’s a weasel.

255657 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to John P, 1, #1236 of 1705 🔗

Yes sadly listening to Steve Baker on planet normal podcast today he was too pro masks and vaccine for my liking.

255771 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Suzyv, #1237 of 1705 🔗

Baker-light.

255770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, #1238 of 1705 🔗

He can’t be very bright either because he seemed to be fooled by the Vallance lie-chart. He seems very susceptible to flattery.

255629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Al T, 1, #1239 of 1705 🔗

Parliament won’t stop Boris. The 1922 Committee might.

255691 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Bugle, 1, #1240 of 1705 🔗

The problem is hidden away in the International Health Regulations.

This Will Not end until the WHO declares the “pandemic” over.

Boris should be removed by a citizens arrest. But if he cannot be replaced with an anti NWO parliamentarian who will say No More to the Davos crowd ( which includes most senior politicians , civil servants and policy makers) nothing will change for the better .

255766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bill Grates, #1241 of 1705 🔗

Which is why if I was PM, I’d denounce and leave the UN (including its associated organisations) and fund/join Dolores Cahill’s counter-organisation instead.

255783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Bill Grates, #1242 of 1705 🔗

I was stunned to read Sebastian Friel’s eloquent speech about the Great Reset. It has convinced me that no matter who replaced BJ they would ultimately be powerless against this global project.

It has been planned for a long time and is now so successfully instrumentalising the fear of the virus I can’t see how any new leader of a small country like the UK could stand against it. Yes, let’s berate he silly man in number 10 but our only real hope is civil unrest.

255981 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Marialta, #1243 of 1705 🔗

Absolutely, people don’t realise that as signatories to the IHR nations have handed domestic health policy to the WHO on these “pandemic” matters .
It’s legally binding . No national politicians are going to go against the WHO dictat , imagine the uproar from media and health “experts” – most of whom are heavily involved in the larger UN/WHO programs
draw up a list of the prominent “experts” we hear so much from and research their connections with the WHO/UN.

255714 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bugle, #1244 of 1705 🔗

He might be personally ousted but this will probably go on with someone else unless we get a Swayne type.

255564 ▶▶ RickH, replying to peter charles, 3, #1245 of 1705 🔗

I don’t think it has much in common with religion, beyond denial of evidence. It’s more about basic psychological resolution of contradiction.

255568 ▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to RickH, 1, #1246 of 1705 🔗

The Mark Twain quote above about easy to be fooled…

255579 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, #1247 of 1705 🔗

.

255593 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to peter charles, 5, #1248 of 1705 🔗

I agree about relativism. This kind of thinking seems all-pervasive now and appears to afflict the university-educated in particular. We have problems with younger members of our family because of it.

As for the religious fervour, it’s a bit like those people involved in cults who, when the predictions fail, they actually double-down on their beliefs instead of abandoning them. We also have family members who simply refuse to look at evidence contradicting the Cult of Covid. Heads are firmly buried in the sand.

To illustrate and on a lighter note, a college friend once told me the story of his Jehovah’s Witness piano teacher in South Wales. He went for his weekly lesson and she told him that she wasn’t going to take on any more pupils. When he asked why, she said, ‘Well the world’s going to end next year and they wouldn’t get past Grade 1’ When the next year came and it didn’t, she just carried on where she left off. MW

255636 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to peter charles, 4, #1249 of 1705 🔗

I deliberately use the word muzzle when referring to masks to tell normal people apart from fanatics. Some people actually become offended, as if the mask were some sort of religious symbol.

255772 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jrsm, 3, #1250 of 1705 🔗

We have to wear one at work (provided) when working inside confined spaces and with other people in proximity. I always called it a “slave muzzle” and it seemed like it was catching on. I’ll never know because after asking to see the revised safe system of work and risk assessment for working within confined spaces, I was suddenly moved to another department where no muzzles are required.

255666 ▶▶ watashi, replying to peter charles, 5, #1251 of 1705 🔗

I agree, this is definitely an issue with my wider family, it is like a religious fervour and they refuse to even look at the evidence. They see it the other way round though, they believe it is me that has joined some kind of ‘cult’. If only they could open their eyes to the brainwashing they have been subjected to

255776 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to watashi, #1252 of 1705 🔗

I get that from some, but not others. But our family is very dispersed and we have broadly different views on everything, so we always muddle through somehow.

255678 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to peter charles, 1, #1253 of 1705 🔗

It definitely seems people will endure a lot before they are prepared to even start to question their belief system.

255551 OKUK, 21, #1254 of 1705 🔗

One wouldn’t normally support retrospective legislation but this may be a rare situation where the Reform Party or whoever needs to assert our natural
rights of liberty, free speech and bodily integrity. A pledge that legislation will be introduced to prosecute government officials or others who have engaged in gross infringement of those rights might be helpful to restrain current excesses . The “only obeying orders” defence will obviously not apply.

It might give these people pause for thought and stop the wholesale rush to totalitarianism.

255560 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1255 of 1705 🔗

Seen this arrest of a doctor in Germany who is questioning covid?

https://mobile.twitter.com/CesareSacchetti/status/1329363308995104768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

255575 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1256 of 1705 🔗

Horrendous resurrection of fascism.

255612 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to RickH, 7, #1257 of 1705 🔗

I just wonder what will it take until people wake up? Their family members taken away? Their neighbours? Why are people so thick that they can’t see what is going on.

255624 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1258 of 1705 🔗

Sheer denial as they are too scared to face it. Which unfortunately WILL make it hit them harder when the penny finally drops.

255648 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1259 of 1705 🔗

I have just watched an analysis of this. I do not believe it to be real. There are several strange things about it. I understand German.

It is a ‘play’, possibly meant to intimidate.

Analysis here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_cd7609B78

255677 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 3, #1260 of 1705 🔗

Hard to know what to believe these days.

255729 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1261 of 1705 🔗

I do not know about this person, and it will most likely be difficult to find out stuff about him now, but I am not sure this is real.

255571 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 36, #1262 of 1705 🔗

This sums the state of the nation up.

5 minute walk from my house is a hospital, last 9 months no busier than usual (tbf it isn’t an A&E but last week the testing centre was empty) no ambulances have been zooming in and out.

Next door is a private care home same as the hospital.

Next door is a pub serving a varied community which has been open and closed more times than a new bride’s legs on her wedding night. Currently boarded up.

Next door to the pub is a 24 hour McDonald’s restaurant/drive through a multi-global capitalist, non-taxpaying (probably), bankers NWO dream conglomerate. Absolutely rammo day and night.

Fuck sake, plebs are are sleep walking into dystopia

255725 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stefarm, 3, #1263 of 1705 🔗

Those same people will be on social media as they chow down on their essential Big Macs, instructing everyone to stay at home, mask up and not be covidiots, no doubt.

255745 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1264 of 1705 🔗

Correct my friend, Ronald McDonald would be proud

255573 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 4, #1265 of 1705 🔗

The Social Engineer Klaus Schwab is busy working on the narrative for the ‘next crisis’. People will cry out for protection (provided by the elites), and we will loose even more freedoms – a complete scam. https://www.bitchute.com/video/cp190eDFltU/

255672 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Darryl, 1, #1266 of 1705 🔗

They are intent on keeping the fear/dislocation going .
Sporadic Utility infrastructure “cyberhacks” will turn the power off
Finance institutions will be cyber hacked too , panic will ensue . People will plead for more security.

There is of course the promised 2nd “much worse” pandemic to look forward to as well

255574 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #1267 of 1705 🔗

New one here…El Presidente Sturgeon says “people can form a Xmas Bauble”

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhh…..just please fuck off Nicola!!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-says-scots-could-23030252

255595 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1268 of 1705 🔗

She is having a breakdown!!!

255750 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, 4, #1269 of 1705 🔗

Hope so. Only the Fat Dictator in London is more deserving of one. The Dear Leader in Wales isn’t even human, so am not sure if his species has breakdowns or not.

255936 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1270 of 1705 🔗

Crinkly-necked, malevolent old tortoise.Tortoises can live 200. years.
Yuk yuk yuk.

255581 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 5, #1271 of 1705 🔗

Note how the BBC and MSM are not showing the typical rise in deaths with the current Covid crisis. Because we aren’t supposed to see the levers behind the spectacle.

255606 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to mhcp, 4, #1272 of 1705 🔗

They only report when things look bad, never when things are looking like they’re improving.

255693 ▶▶ leggy, replying to mhcp, 1, #1273 of 1705 🔗

No-one whatsoever is weighting death rates against population growth when considering averages either. There are 4 times as many people on the planet as there were during the time of the Spanish flu for example.

255582 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1274 of 1705 🔗

This won’t go down well with Wancock and the Chuckle Brothers:

The Telegraph (paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/19/many-could-immune-covid-despite-never-having-infected-study/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

A quarter of people may already be immune to coronavirus even though many of them have never been infected, a new study by Public Health England (PHE) suggests.

Over the past few months, researchers have followed nearly 2,850 key workers from the police, fire and health services to gauge levels of immunity to the virus.

They discovered that, by June, one in four had high levels of T-cells which recognised Covid, suggesting they had some level of protection against the virus – but nearly half had never been infected.

Researchers believe they probably picked up immunity from similar coronaviruses such as those that cause the common cold. In the four months of follow-up, nobody with a high T-cell count became infected with Covid, suggesting they were protected against it.

255592 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1275 of 1705 🔗

Who knew? Only six months behind the curve. Fucking pathetic!

255604 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1276 of 1705 🔗

It was only published by PHE yesterday…

255631 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1277 of 1705 🔗

We knew about cross immunity a long time ago…is my point

255633 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1278 of 1705 🔗

I have to believe now it was willful imposition of an agenda. All that has been suppressed to paint this as the plague and thus all measures justified. This last month we’ve seen clear reversals on:

> PCR with lateral flow comparisons, Portuguese courts decision, Randox been shown to have a false positive production line, PHE document outling dangers of high CTs, Fauci admitting anything over 34 CT is noise.

> Masks in the Danish study and clear ineffectiveness in preventing another casedemic in Europe

> Test and Trace further shown to be a shambles.

> Fraud in PPE contracts and other government schemes off the scale.

> Vitamin D pilot now in care homes

> Immunity long lasting with infection and preexisting in many cases

> Scaremongering of government into Lockdown by SAGE.

No surprises but it rumbles on.

Labour just want a better track and trace. And vaccine, lots of vaccine. By the truck load.

255661 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1279 of 1705 🔗

The politicians are all believers in TINA , and are only positioning for their chance to shape the “reset” future.

255717 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, #1280 of 1705 🔗

Naw, PHE are outliers or something. Anyway it only says “could” so we need to keep on as we are.

255590 Julian, replying to Julian, 13, #1281 of 1705 🔗

Dear Supporter

We encourage you to take part in anything that will help our political leaders to understand just how much opposition there is to the current lockdowns and restrictions, and the damage that comes with them.

Right now, the influential Conservative grassroots organisation Conservative Voice is conducting a survey on attitudes to lockdown and restrictions. We’re keen that the message goes back to Boris Johnson that his policy needs to change. If you’d like to make your views known, you can take part in the survey here:

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/C_19_GovtStrat

Please let us know if you come across similar surveys from other parties and we’ll share those too.


Kind regards,

Jon Dobinson

Recovery

255743 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 9, #1282 of 1705 🔗

Mm, comments:

The government’s response to what is equivalent to a bad winter flu season, has been nothing short of hysterical, disproportionate and downright disgusting. To strip everybody of all their civil liberties and ancient rights is nothing short of evil. Lockdowns do NOT work, so why are we having another one? Or one beyond that? Masks – useless. Rule of six – useless. Protection of vulnerable – I’d laugh if the government’s reaction had not been so completely lamentable. When the country needed leadership, it got a headless chicken. And don’t get me started on the so-called “health” secretary. A brick wall and an AK-47 is apt for that moron. I used to wonder why people held the Conservative Party in such visceral contempt. Now I know. Just dissolve it and send it to some neo-Nazi island such as Ducie. Evil, evil, evil.

Too harsh? Just about right?

255756 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1283 of 1705 🔗

Harsh.

But fair….

255813 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, #1284 of 1705 🔗

:o))

255851 ▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Nick Rose, #1285 of 1705 🔗

Perfect!

255755 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Julian, 1, #1286 of 1705 🔗

I did enjoy doing this survey.

255775 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Julian, 1, #1287 of 1705 🔗

That was so rewarding ..

256003 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, 1, #1288 of 1705 🔗

Survey done. All of my responses involved me strongly disagreeing or agreeing (had to make sure I got them the right way round). My final comment was: Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and many others are criminals who should go to jail for a long time.

255596 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #1289 of 1705 🔗

I’m seeing more of this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/Walkabout24/status/1329456213927530496

If you’re scared of covid you’re really going to be scared when the rioting starts.

It’s starting to turn uglier. Not surprised, personally.

255601 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1290 of 1705 🔗

once you’ve got millions unemployed things are going to get ugly, and unlike America we don’t have guns here so people can’t even defend themselves

255647 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1291 of 1705 🔗

As Gerald Celente says – “when people lose everything everything , they lose it”

These going to be serious trouble and worse by this time next year . Plan accordingly.

255650 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1292 of 1705 🔗

‘When there’s no future there cannot be sin’
John Lydon, 1977.

255675 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1293 of 1705 🔗

Love a good Celente rant, works wonders to cheer me up!

255724 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1294 of 1705 🔗

He also quotes an Italian saying for when things get so bad..”there’s nothing left to do but cry”

let’s hope we don’t get there .

255713 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1295 of 1705 🔗

Not a lot they can do against millions when those millions are organised. As we British discovered in India.

255598 DavidC, replying to DavidC, #1296 of 1705 🔗

Does anyone have the link please, for the Gov.uk site that notified from the beginning of October Covid and flu were not going to be reported separately? I definitely remember seeing it but I didn’t store the link (stupidly!) and I’m unable to find it now.

DavidC

256058 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to DavidC, #1297 of 1705 🔗

Dunno if it helps, but there was this comment about it on 2020-10-20:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/20/latest-news-168/#comment-197342

256154 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mabel Cow, #1298 of 1705 🔗

Thanks Mabel.

DavidC

255602 Nick Rose, 24, #1299 of 1705 🔗

Compared with March, things have changed a lot. Hold fast, fellow sceptics!

https://twitter.com/Nick_Pye/status/1329458860088811525

Few on my timeline believe the government now.

Boris and Hancock have failed in bringing much of the public along with them.

Their combined buffoonery, sadism, untruths and patronising propaganda have made them despised by many including me.

255607 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 12, #1300 of 1705 🔗

Further to Sebastian Friebel’s report, we know from Belarus and South Africa, that international lenders were prepared to lend money to countries on condition that they impose anti-Covid measures, such as lockdowns. I have long been wondering how the UK has kept going with its stratospheric levels of debt. It appears that Boris and his bunch of sell-outs, blundering from crisis to catastrophe, have put us at the mercy of these people.

This alone would explain the lockdowns, social distancing, masking and all the discomfort and inconvenience they entail. They are intended to herd us in a set direction: towards acceptance of the vaccine with its multiple potentialities. Like a slaughterhouse, the only way out is via the killing floor.

255684 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Bugle, #1301 of 1705 🔗

This is the argument they were trying to make with Trump and his debts.

But he is just a man and first world countries couldn’t possibly be beholden to creditors could they? Just as well the UK hasn’t sold off all her assets to pay off debts over the years.

255708 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bugle, #1302 of 1705 🔗

Not convinced of that, as we’re a major contributer to the World Bank and the IMF. Sort of getting our own money back?? And I doubt these international organisations can afford to bankroll an economy the size of Britain’s.

255762 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1303 of 1705 🔗

Read the article.

Back in 2010 when they were trying to extract G. Brown from No 10, Gus O’Donnell, the cabinet secretary, said that they needed to manage the transition because otherwise our overseas credit would dry up, ie the government would not be able to borrow money. What’s changed? We were insolvent then and we’re even more insolvent now.

255809 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bugle, 2, #1304 of 1705 🔗

We don’t borrow money from the IMF (not since 1976) or the World Bank. Your pension fund probably buys it in the form of bonds. Much QE was bought by the banks. The IMF and World Bank do not produce their own money, economies do that. They can’t afford to bankroll us and it’s foolish nonsense to believe they can.

255916 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nick Rose, #1305 of 1705 🔗

The financial sector… are instrumentalising the crisis to create new dependencies through extensive lending to governments and companies, and thus extend their political influence. This is done either directly through banks or indirectly through organisations such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank. The acute need for capital as a result of the crisis thus makes states liable to be influenced by private donors. Because of this balance of power, any democratic control becomes impossible and the private banking sector is becoming a major political player.

This is from Friebel’s piece. I never said the IMF or the World Bank. I said international lenders, some of whom are private.

255796 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bugle, #1306 of 1705 🔗

They have been printing money, QE is now £895 billion.The question is why sterling hasn’t crashed yet.The plan is digital currencies tied to vaccine and digital passport.With millions on UBI there will be no escape from this totalitarian prison.

255608 Leemc23, #1307 of 1705 🔗

Let’s play a new game destroy the “expert” Have a listen and then twat them with logic.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Essex_CC/status/1329469491210719233?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

255609 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 30, #1308 of 1705 🔗

Very impressed by Piers Corbyn, he just doesn’t stop no matter how many times he gets arrested, harassed by the authorities and censored by Twitter.

Piers Corbyn travels around London explaining the dangers of masks to the public 18.11.20 https://brandnewtube.com/watch/piers-corbyn-travels-around-london-explaining-the-dangers-of-masks-to-the-public-18-11-20_jmxcYFPh8aoGSco.html

255638 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Darryl, 6, #1309 of 1705 🔗

Yes he’s great he doesnt stop.

255644 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Darryl, 7, #1310 of 1705 🔗

I admire that man so much.

255699 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, 2, #1311 of 1705 🔗

I’m surprised he hasn’t been incarcerated for a term yet.

255704 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, 3, #1312 of 1705 🔗

He upsets the authorities. Good enough for me.

255613 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 13, #1313 of 1705 🔗

Revolting.

255616 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to PhilipF, 1, #1314 of 1705 🔗

No. Surely not ? That’s vile.

255619 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1315 of 1705 🔗

Sadly yes – just what you’d expect from the Mail.

255634 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to mari, 5, #1316 of 1705 🔗

I don’t really have any expectation of any tabloid. Although in this case, given how utterly futile these bits of rag are, I didn’t think they would scrape this low or infer anything of the sort. Why the kid in the mask ? Jesus that’s made me cross.

255643 ▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1317 of 1705 🔗

This is an example of a psyop, the kid in the mask, designed to get you hopping mad. Its everywhere, and also explains the ‘confusion’ psyop – long used by interrogators, to confuse the perp with ‘contradictory facts’ which has the effect of demoralising the victim. This is what all these ‘stupid’ rules are about.

255617 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to PhilipF, #1318 of 1705 🔗

FFS!

DavidC

255622 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to PhilipF, 14, #1319 of 1705 🔗

made this one in July… BULLSEYE!

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255637 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PhilipF, 1, #1320 of 1705 🔗

Aaaaand there it is! I said a couple of weeks ago I was looking out for the first ‘Christmas novelty mask’ but I wasn’t expecting to see it quite so soon!

255653 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to PhilipF, #1321 of 1705 🔗

But are they of surgical standard?

255701 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1322 of 1705 🔗

Who cares?

255703 ▶▶ langers, replying to PhilipF, 1, #1323 of 1705 🔗

What the hell is that?
Lost for words.

255621 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #1324 of 1705 🔗

German authorities reverting to type:

https://twitter.com/CesareSacchetti/status/1329363308995104768

This is happened to doctor Andreas Noack in Germany. After the unconstitutional approval of the infection law, police broke into his house while he was having a live transmission on YouTube. Those who cried against “fascism” have created the most criminal dictatorship in history.

Those of you who wonder why British police have been acting the way they have recently, they must have been taking lessons from these guys.

255623 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1325 of 1705 🔗

And an explanation of why:

https://twitter.com/FritziFeinstaub/status/1329469302567792649

The Enabling Act was passed yesterday and is effective from today. The police can now simply storm an apartment if there is a suspicion of a violation of the “Infection Protection Act”. Mr. Noack deals with Controla facts and publishes them via stream.

255630 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #1326 of 1705 🔗

An excellent quote. Think it’s a quote anyway. Sounds like one…

https://twitter.com/taleofwarcastle/status/1329438925077815309

No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. They learned this lesson once, we will teach it to them again.

255664 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1327 of 1705 🔗

The dictatorship doesn’t need arms to subdue it’s population, it has the main stream media.

255688 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1328 of 1705 🔗

It still has too much of it, I agree. Signs of it turning though. Or is that wishful thinking? We’ll see. :o))

(Badges still giving sterling service, btw!)

255695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1329 of 1705 🔗

There are signs the spell is wearing off, still not hopeful for where this is heading though.

255804 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DRW, 1, #1330 of 1705 🔗

One step at a time.

255812 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, #1331 of 1705 🔗

It’s if we make them fast enough though.

255928 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, #1332 of 1705 🔗

Nurture those signs, DRW!

255683 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1333 of 1705 🔗

The Enabling Act? Wtf? Wasn’t that what was passed in the 30s?

255720 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1334 of 1705 🔗

Enabling Act eh? That rings a bell in German history doesn’t it?

255660 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1335 of 1705 🔗

I have just watched an analysis of this. I do not believe it to be real. There are several strange things about it. I understand German.

It is a ‘play’, possibly meant to intimidate.

Analysis here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_cd7609B78

255690 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, 2, #1336 of 1705 🔗

Thanks for that. Relieved, assuming this to be so. (Not that I’m doubting your word, btw)

255710 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1337 of 1705 🔗

If it is meant to intimidate, then that raises its own questions.

I don’t doubt that we are going down this road eventually.

255821 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, #1338 of 1705 🔗

I also think this is not real.
The words they use do not sound right. Would you really stay that calm and let them bang on the door for so long?
The uniform had a wing like emblem on, which I have never noticed on a police uniform before, and I saw a lot of police uniforms yesterday, following live streams from Berlin.
As well, the camera would have been switched off, not just turned.

255635 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 27, #1339 of 1705 🔗

A like mind:

https://twitter.com/militantme1/status/1329146980858269696

We are NOT an experimental sample @BorisJohnson

@BillGates

you cannot vaccinate the world with a vaccine that works at a genetic level on immune system after a mere months of testing. This novel type takes decades of testing. Human experimentation is unethical unlawful & criminal

255659 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1340 of 1705 🔗

Yes indeed. This is eugenics with no real goal; the potential for collateral consequences can not even begin to be estimated – but is certainly vast. It is truly amazing that any medical or scientific body would allow such a questionable approach, even in other, ‘lesser’ mammals after many years in vitro work!

255671 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to IanE, 2, #1341 of 1705 🔗

Usually you get people with high morals who step in when this sort of thing comes up, seems they’ve all disappeared. They say No, you’ll have to go to Switzerland if you want to end you life, now DNR was stuck on the doors in nursing homes.

255670 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1342 of 1705 🔗

Further down the page, I saw this image posted.

Maybe another approach to awakening the muppets is to try to instill a feeling of profound sadness about what is being lost, a sadness that might then turn into anger?

255686 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mabel Cow, #1343 of 1705 🔗

I find anger follows sadness, Mabel! :o))

255705 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1344 of 1705 🔗

That is powerful

255860 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Mabel Cow, #1345 of 1705 🔗

🙂

255645 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 6, #1346 of 1705 🔗

“A quarter of people may already be immune to coronavirus even though many of them have never been infected, a new study by Public Health England (PHE) suggests………
The study is also the first to show that T-cells offer protection against coronavirus.”

This from an article in the DT by Sarah Knapton who is billed as their Science Editor. Comments are disabled on the article!

She must have been sitting with her head up her nether regions for several months. I remember reading a paper from La Jolla in May which said the same thing (except they found 60% had T-cell cross immunity!)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/19/many-could-immune-covid-despite-never-having-infected-study/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

255682 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to DocRC, #1347 of 1705 🔗

Incredible isn’t it. If there were a comments section I would say just that!

255992 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #1348 of 1705 🔗

To be fair to her, she has written quite a few sceptical or at least slightly more balanced, articles over the past ffew months

255692 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DocRC, 4, #1349 of 1705 🔗

No no no no no this can’t be true, everything they’ve done is based on 90% susceptibility, YOU’RE RUINING EVERYTHING!!

255711 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DocRC, #1350 of 1705 🔗

Knapton – a scientifically illiterate ”science editor”. Where do they find these people?

255763 ▶▶ Will, replying to DocRC, 5, #1351 of 1705 🔗

As I posted on FB, “Stop the fucking clocks, Public Health England have discovered T and B cells.”

255649 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #1352 of 1705 🔗
255669 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 18, #1353 of 1705 🔗

Mine breaks a bit more every time I read of elderly left to die alone, and younger people dying of cancer that should have been caught – and on and on. How can’t the non-sceptics see this? I was told not to go trawling the net for it – I don’t believe you have to trawl very deeply – maybe they simply aren’t looking at all. How can they bury their heads while others suffer? It is beyond me.

255676 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to CGL, 10, #1354 of 1705 🔗

You don’t have to trawl. Some of the stuff I see in my timeline makes me cry. And I’m 54 years old ffs. I should be able to handle this, surely? Or maybe it’s knowing how much of it is avoidable and pointless.

When the crying stops though, the anger and hate burns more brightly. It will keep me warm this winter.

255694 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #1355 of 1705 🔗

Yes, it does. And it is the shear pointless waste that gets to me too. Every day that goes by, that’s more people who feel hopeless, and more people who have had a vital missed appointment that could have prevented some suffering, or the ultimate suffering. It’s unbearable.

But what do I know, I’m just selfish.

I’m about the same age. None of my friends have kids – none of them. They have no idea how different your perspective is. All they want to do is sit and watch I’m a Celebrity. Useless, all of them.

255747 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to CGL, 9, #1356 of 1705 🔗

Every day we miss vital social appointments. Even what seemed to be the most mundane of appointments. We miss the morning small talk at work. We miss the pubs/ coffee shops/ resteraunts meet ups with friends and family. We miss the cinema/ bowling for entertainment. We miss the casino for a wee bit of a thrill. We miss dancing and singing. We miss the laughter and smiles. We miss the hugs and handshakes.

We miss all this and yet we are not allowed to complain about it. We are selfish to even consider this part of the debate.

255895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1357 of 1705 🔗

Phone conversation with a Bank worker today and she said they have people making appointments to come in just to talk to somebody different..

256007 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to FenTyger, 1, #1358 of 1705 🔗

That is terribly sad.

255785 ▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #1359 of 1705 🔗

This is what makes me angry too. I had to watch my husband die slowly and horribly from a form of cancer that has a high survival rate if caught early, and that was at a time when the health service was functioning ‘normally’. The thought of thousands more people needlessly going through this fills me with fury.

255803 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Gill, 3, #1360 of 1705 🔗

Sorry to hear of your loss. And it’s being pointlessly repeated everywhere :o((

255923 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Gill, 1, #1361 of 1705 🔗

Gill, I am so sorry.
Nothing can bring your husband back, but he will be avenged.
Be strong, and live life for his sake.

255654 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1362 of 1705 🔗

Can anyone point me to the protests in Sweden?

255715 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1363 of 1705 🔗

There was one on Stockholm when I was there a few weeks ago. More of a small rally, that a protest. There is a video online somewhere. Are you looking for something more current?

255732 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1364 of 1705 🔗

Protests about what?

255665 Richard Wall, replying to Richard Wall, 2, #1365 of 1705 🔗

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Worth quoting CS Lewis since we are in some ridiculous Narnia netherland.

255849 ▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to Richard Wall, 1, #1366 of 1705 🔗

The Lion ain’t for coming… eternal winter. And don’t go rapping and a tapping at the back of your wardrobes. Stay in bed and dream of summer. The witch is stout and blonde though fit as a butcher’s dog

255673 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 4, #1367 of 1705 🔗

Well the Holyrood Harridan has saved the day and she’s decided who’s getting the vaccine first. I am so glad I’m not a care worker, old or older than I am or over 80.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55005494

255681 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Just about sane, 17, #1368 of 1705 🔗

you’d have to be mental to take 1 of these vaccines without waiting a few years to see how safe it is.

255728 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Anothersceptic2, 17, #1369 of 1705 🔗

Sadly, some people haven’t got a few years, and were counting on the next few to realise their hard-earned dreams, retirement plans, family travel, etc – before the travel insurance became too expensive, and before they were too old to enjoy the experience. Some are now missing the chance to see their grandchildren living abroad for the very last time.
It’s beyond tragic.

255800 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Banjones, 2, #1370 of 1705 🔗

Yep, my retirement plans are well and truly f*cked.

255737 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anothersceptic2, 8, #1371 of 1705 🔗

Best case – it’s a sugar water or saline placebo with a massive profit margin for Big Pharma.

Worst case – it triggers a wasting genetic illness that kills you in 6 months.

255758 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1372 of 1705 🔗

I don’t think they can afford a placebo because of New Zealand. Sweden was the control for lockdown’s efficacy, NZ is the control for the vaccine’s efficacy.

255773 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, 3, #1373 of 1705 🔗

Australia might be too, they’re going really hard on it.

255838 ▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1374 of 1705 🔗

Or somehow induces infertility? The first wave of older people won’t appear to be affected. And it won’t be apparant until the vaccination programme is over.

255915 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to dickyboy, 1, #1375 of 1705 🔗

If it induces infertility in the over 80s it might be a wee bit hard to tell the difference.

255734 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Just about sane, 12, #1376 of 1705 🔗

The article says that all of those over the age of 18 will be ‘offered’ the vaccine. It then says that the aim is to vaccinate ALL of those over the age of 18. Which is it? And why would somebody young and healthy want a vaccine for something that poses next to no threat to them?

And for something which our PM is self isolating for, even though he’s apparently already had it. What’s the point of a vaccine, then?

The whole narrative is so obviously full of holes, but people either cannot or refuse to see that.

255740 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1377 of 1705 🔗

around these parts it’s the 20-somethings that are again diving into the street to avoid people. they’ll be climbing over each other (well not literally because they wouldn’t want to get the plague) to get vaccinated.

255761 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to A Heretic, 1, #1378 of 1705 🔗

To be fair to them, I think a lot of youngsters are behaving in such a manner because they wish to be considerate.

255787 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A Heretic, 1, #1379 of 1705 🔗

It’s the older ones doing that round here.

255841 ▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to A Heretic, 1, #1380 of 1705 🔗

Around my way there is very little muzzle wearing outdoors. The ones I’ve seen have mostly been 20 somethings.

255716 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 21, #1381 of 1705 🔗

I’ve just read this, by George Orwell:
“If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflection of the voice; at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They need only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it.”

255718 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Banjones, 3, #1382 of 1705 🔗

1984.

255730 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, 3, #1383 of 1705 🔗

Yes – it’s ironic how, looking back, the year 1984 seems a halycon time!

255903 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, #1384 of 1705 🔗

That was halcyon, of course!

255719 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 11, #1385 of 1705 🔗

And also:
They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening.

255727 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Banjones, 1, #1386 of 1705 🔗

I’ve just re-read it recently

255751 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Banjones, 1, #1387 of 1705 🔗

There are some interesting theories aired on Quora about how the Party in 1984 could eventually be overthrown. https://www.quora.com/How-could-the-Party-from-1984-be-overthrown?share=1

255913 ▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 1, #1388 of 1705 🔗

But ‘until they become conscious they will never rebel, but to rebel, they must first become conscious.’

255726 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #1389 of 1705 🔗

That Bob cartoon needs the NECESSARY TREE UPDATE…

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255752 ▶▶ John P, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1390 of 1705 🔗

I’m usually a huge fan of Bob’s work, but this is not one of my favorites.

I may strongly disagree with the banning of new diesel and petrol sales by 2030, and I also strongly dislike the electric windmills, but I am not opposed to the planting of more trees.

I’d hug a few trees in preference to most people any day.

255792 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to John P, 3, #1391 of 1705 🔗

Couldn’t we just plant Boris Johnson?

255814 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1392 of 1705 🔗

Headfirst to make sure the nut is properly buried!

255909 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to KBuchanan, #1393 of 1705 🔗

And deep, to make sure that the nuts are properly buried?

255954 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to KBuchanan, #1394 of 1705 🔗

I was thinking in the vernacular, we could bury him afterwards!

255817 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Hieronimusb, #1395 of 1705 🔗

We could take a cutting and see if it takes root.

255733 John P, 7, #1396 of 1705 🔗

Another day in paradise. I sympathise completely with this guy:

https://twitter.com/darrylmorris/status/1328804489881595905

255744 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 8, #1397 of 1705 🔗

Isn’t it curious that there do not seem to be any adverts anymore to download the T&T app?

And have you noticed how many xmas adverts use animation?

And I am never sure if the Tesco advert makers are making a bad joke or is that their medium to suggest they are sceptics?

255753 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Silke David, 5, #1398 of 1705 🔗

Good point, the magic app has gone the way of ventilators.

255764 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Liam, 3, #1399 of 1705 🔗

In the words of Basil Fawlty: “the game is up!”.

255854 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1400 of 1705 🔗

Do you remember the episode Waldorf Salad ? At the end Basil, after arguing with the American, presents his defence of his satisfied customers. And that one man steps forward and says “I’m not satisfied”. That’s what needs to happen with Covid.

“I’m not Satisfied”

255907 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1401 of 1705 🔗

Has the government run out of waldorfs?

255997 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1402 of 1705 🔗

No, Waldorf is just quarantining hiding at the moment.

255765 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Liam, 8, #1403 of 1705 🔗

Yes. I asked that question about the test and trace app. the other day. I also asked what happened to the 27,000 track and tracers employed for track and trace.
I think the government relies on us all having short memories.
We haven’t. We will remember.

255767 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Margaret, 9, #1404 of 1705 🔗

I am hoping that come the next election people will remember and will make the conservative (and labour) parties a distant memory never to resurface.

255768 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1405 of 1705 🔗

If we ever get to vote again…

255769 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DRW, #1406 of 1705 🔗

The sh*t will really hit the fan if that’s even suggested.

255808 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1407 of 1705 🔗

Their destruction is a long time coming but I doubt if we will ever be allowed to vote again.

255839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1408 of 1705 🔗

We might be allowed to vote but they were allowed to vote in the DDR…you had a choice of 5 parties to vote for but somehow the Communists (SED) always won.

I can see a situation developing in the UK where the Electoral Commission is empowered to ensure all parties sign up to PC values across the board (with deregistration following if they don’t) and to ensure they field a range of candidates who reflect modern Britain in accord with the same sort of template pioneered by the ASA in TV ads. A beefed-up Ofcom will be able to vet political advertising and broadcasts for failure to fully accept the pseudo-sciences of climate alarmism, lockdowns, masking, vaccine-based health and transgenderism. The ECHR will investigate parties for their racist attachment to British culture and history and failure to admit publicly the evils of imperialism and nationalism (SNP and Sinn Fein excepted).

We might still be able to vote but we will have no say in who or what we vote for.

255856 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 3, #1409 of 1705 🔗

Or they might just fix it Democrat style.

255830 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1410 of 1705 🔗

And vote for who? Layla “zero covid” Moron?

255779 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Silke David, 3, #1411 of 1705 🔗

Leaving aside the retailers trying to mediate the message in the hope that it might increase their chances of survival, the wheels fell off a few miles back, we’re now on a toboggan (and it’s sheet ice out there). Either that or they genuinely don’t GAF about credibility because they think they’ve got the muscle.

255790 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Silke David, 2, #1412 of 1705 🔗

it was primarily used by pubs and restaurants, which was an improvement on the varied ad hoc QR arrangements. Unfortunately given the almost universal adoption there was the slightly inconvenient detail that hardly any positive tests were ever traced back to the hospitality sector.

255802 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Silke David, 3, #1413 of 1705 🔗

Anybody who was going to install it has surely already done so. And many subsequently deleted, I imagine.
Contact tracing was always an expensive fool’s errand.

255811 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Silke David, 2, #1414 of 1705 🔗

It was only a tool to soften us up for the digital/health passport.

255828 ▶▶ Will, replying to Silke David, 1, #1415 of 1705 🔗

It is the subject of complete ridicule.

255757 DavidC, 18, #1416 of 1705 🔗

I mentioned the other day that I’ve done some simplistic analysis from Gov.uk data about the population and annual death rate (as a percentage of the population and this year’s deaths extrapolated to the end of this year) since 1950 and noted that only 16 years have been lower than this year. In other words we’re at position 53, nowhere NEAR the top.

I’ve just recounted this to a Zoom group I’m on. First response? ‘Well, I’m sure all those people who have died from Covid this year will be grateful for that’.

I despair.

DavidC

255774 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 22, #1417 of 1705 🔗

Meanwhile Belarus continues to have single-figure daily deaths, no doubt due to their rigid imposition of, ermm, nothing.

255781 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1418 of 1705 🔗

Did I read somewhere they are now introducing face covering rules?

255799 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Silke David, 6, #1419 of 1705 🔗

Ah perhaps. Western media is only interested in the anti-Lukashenko stuff.
Be nice to get a postcard from on the ground.
It appears Russia is giving qualified support and putting in financial aid.
Honestly, is it any worse being in a Russian orbit, than giving in to the World Bank and dutifully locking down?
Not any more I don’t think.

255816 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #1420 of 1705 🔗

Spiked had a report from Minsk last week, sounds great frankly. Opens with a couple of paragraphs about the political unrest skip them to the good stuff.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/16/belarus-the-land-covid-forgot/

255835 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Liam, 2, #1421 of 1705 🔗

Thanks. A casual weekend visit might be refreshing. But then you would have to come back.
For sure the political situation doesn’t represent true democracy.
But we now have to say the same about much of the Western world including the US.
Purely in ‘demic response terms, it gives the lie to any necessity for the measures seen in all of Western Europe.

255878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1422 of 1705 🔗

I’d be over there like a shot if I didn’t have family to look out for.

256145 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Silke David, #1423 of 1705 🔗

So Xinhua reported recently:

Belarusian capital mandates mask-wearing
Between Belarus and Sweden, it’s almost as though someone very influential is going around “fixing” countries that create inconvenient examples for the coronapanic narrative….

http://www.innercitypress.com/imf1camhondkenbelarusicp091020.html

255786 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Kevin 2, 6, #1424 of 1705 🔗

Because they’ve all been mostly outdoors protesting against tyranny and everybody knows the virus doesn’t affect righteous people.

255780 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 3, #1425 of 1705 🔗

Latest ludicrous thinking from officials. A study in Hamburg, Germany, conducted between 4th August (start of school year) and 4th October suggests 78% of +tests amongst pupils originated outside of school. Despite this pupils have to continue to wear FC all day. Preliminary findings after the autumn holiday, no change in school related infections. Interview with a concerned parent. “we are afraid that we parents will get ill or our children. 20% of infections in school are too many.” Of course no relation given how many pupils in total and how many +.
One school tested all pupils and had quite a number of +. What surprise!

255795 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Silke David, 9, #1426 of 1705 🔗

If parents are worried about their children getting ill with the Rona, in the face of months of evidence, then they’re morons.

255902 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, 6, #1427 of 1705 🔗

They are morons.There are months of evidence for that.

255782 Nobody2020, 7, #1428 of 1705 🔗

Another meme attempt:

255789 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, #1429 of 1705 🔗
255805 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1430 of 1705 🔗

“More dodgy models exposed”

I was expecting something else…

255807 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1431 of 1705 🔗

This isn’t the right hand side of the Mail website

256073 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, #1432 of 1705 🔗

Is that saying that every single prediction is over stated despite updating the model every two weeks?

256077 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1433 of 1705 🔗

Yes. I think so.

255810 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1434 of 1705 🔗

Wtf are Northern Ireland doing? They are literally barely recording double figures of deaths! Absolutely mental.

255843 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1435 of 1705 🔗

maybe now they’re suckin’ diesel…

256051 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1436 of 1705 🔗

Finally some anger on the night time poltitics programme. It’s so misplaced though. It’s something like this:

“The schools are where the R number is being driven up. Not retail. Close the schools”

Titanic. Deck chairs.

GREAT BARRINGTON DECLARATION IN YOUR FACE YOU IDIOTS

I mean the place is now collapsing. Companies can’t even afford the furlough top up anymore and the politicians are having discussions behind closed doors then make their statements on Facebook. They have a business community rep on now who is laying the blame at a lack of masking.

I am worried that because they’ve had their heads up their ass for so long, not listening to the esteemed alternative views we all know too well, that the solutions these people think will work just add to the pain. It’s all about circular arguments and then they all just agree on More Lockdown.

They have it like this. The reason we have got here is because certain people haven’t worn a mask andnit washed their hands 200 times today. I mean where is someone just interjection saying that 20% of transmission is happening in hospitals. Open up the conversation with actual knowledge. They really are idiots and just want this to end, just want to be told how.

255818 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 15, #1437 of 1705 🔗

14.5 degrees in class today with the windows wide open and the heating on full bore.

The kids were so cold they couldn’t think straight

You can tell these crazy restrictions were dreamt up in London, not the North of the U.K.

255836 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1438 of 1705 🔗

Properly stupid. Is it a restriction, or guidance? What is the headteacher’s stance?

255846 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #1439 of 1705 🔗

16 degree or under the room needs to be closed. That’s it. It’s not optional unless manual work is involved, in which case you can go to 13.

255991 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Lucan Grey, #1440 of 1705 🔗

It’s 12.5 degrees in my Cumbrian house this evening. It’ll go a lot lower than that before spring.

255820 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #1441 of 1705 🔗

I saw a couple hugging each other today and it were reet nice t’ see.

255899 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1442 of 1705 🔗

Hug anybody!

255824 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, #1443 of 1705 🔗

What’s the latest on the Hunter Biden emails/laptop scandal?

255842 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #1444 of 1705 🔗

Mainstream media censored it and alternative media have got bored of it by the look of it.

Sadly, not a lot happens unless mainstream media decides to push a narrative, just imagine if it was a scandal involve Trump, it would have been 24/7.

255847 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Darryl, 8, #1445 of 1705 🔗

24/7 would not have been enough. They would have had to go to a 25 hour clock.

255927 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Darryl, 3, #1446 of 1705 🔗

Sky News Australia still talks a lot about it. Very robustly too.
So does Newsmax on Youtube – and a very enthusiastic young man on a channel called ‘The Finance Hub’!

255845 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #1447 of 1705 🔗

According to Jon Sopel, Anthony Zurcher, Nick Bryant, Katty Kay, Emily Maitlis, Robert Moore and Adam Boulton, no such scandal exists and anyway they are all too busy writing books for personal, profit to bother to investigate such trifles.

255898 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to MutzNutz, #1448 of 1705 🔗

Used to love Mutz Nutz – 50p a drink.

Good times.

256025 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1449 of 1705 🔗

Turns out the small town laptop-repair dude was Putin’s puppet. obviously. Case closed.

256038 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1450 of 1705 🔗

what he played Squad with some Russian Dudes?

255825 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1451 of 1705 🔗
255831 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1452 of 1705 🔗

about to broadcast

255896 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1453 of 1705 🔗

Susan Michie getting shown up…

255943 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1454 of 1705 🔗

As a lawyer would say she was an ‘unconvincing witness’

255827 leggy, replying to leggy, 10, #1455 of 1705 🔗

I’d quite like to buy Ian Brown a pint or three.

https://twitter.com/ianbrown/status/1329195482405605383?s=21&=

255946 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, 3, #1456 of 1705 🔗

I take it all back…there was I, a Southerner, thinking he was just another Northern gobshite back in the day. Now I think he should be presenting Newsnight. He shows more insight, intelligence and empathetic understanding in one of his sentences than Emma Barnett does in a whole edition of the programme.

256042 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 1, #1457 of 1705 🔗

The final paragraph

256000 ▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 1, #1458 of 1705 🔗

Agreed. There’s real sincerity and anger in his letter.

Michael Yeadon is a hero too:

https://twitter.com/emmakennytv/status/1329523901672665089?s=20

256024 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, #1459 of 1705 🔗

Mike Yeadon’s getting angry. He has much to contribute to our fight.

256035 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 2, #1460 of 1705 🔗

When a Biogeneticist get angry, thing are going to get messy.

255837 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 7, #1461 of 1705 🔗

Short exchange with the ‘journalist’ on the ToL who wrote the piece today on the Oxford vaccine.
Me

  • Serious question Mr Blakely; There have been over 39m tests for a viral disease done in a certain country with a total population of 65m to date, 3.6% of these have been positive ( not necessarily infections), there have been 53,000 deaths recorded with the disease on death certificates and of these 1,500 are of people with no other comorbidity. If these stats were presented to you , would you decide to lock up all the healthy individuals in that country and instigate a multi billion $, emergency vaccination to the population?
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  • If you’re asking whether I think we need a Covid vaccine that protects high risk groups, than my answer is yes.
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  • OK a vaccine like we have for flu, fine. As long as there is no mandate to enforce vaccination on the healthy of any age, people perfectly able to make their own decisions, fine. Of course that wasn’t an answer to my question. Am I surprised? No of course not , because you can’t answer it truthfully can you?
255880 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to peyrole, 6, #1462 of 1705 🔗

Sidestepped with all the elegance of a rhinoceros in a tutu.

255921 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hieronimusb, #1463 of 1705 🔗

Lol!

255844 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1464 of 1705 🔗

one question I have about the vaccine. Can you choose which vaccine you’d like to take given the differences between eg the Oxford and Pfizer? I ask this, as during the controversy concerning MMR there were quite a few parents who would have preferred their children to take the vaccine separately but were not given the option.

255848 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #1465 of 1705 🔗

Choice? What a quaint, old-fashioned notion!

255875 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1466 of 1705 🔗

Bit like Christmas and smiles! Silly old fool!!

255852 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1467 of 1705 🔗

Good point, will there be league tables like the schools?

255857 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Hieronimusb, 6, #1468 of 1705 🔗

if I have to take the one with the chimp virus I might re train as a librarian

255858 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1469 of 1705 🔗

It was an oran-utan.
Ouk.

255873 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 1, #1470 of 1705 🔗

If they can saw wood, they can run a library.

255956 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to annie, 2, #1471 of 1705 🔗

I’m sure Terry Pratchett could have written a Discworld covid parody-maybe someone else will

255868 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1472 of 1705 🔗

Agree, give me dead dog tissue any day. You can’t beat a bit of rancid adjuvant..

255867 ▶▶ Will, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1473 of 1705 🔗

Unless they were the Prime minister….

255869 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1474 of 1705 🔗

There was that guy in E17 who took 12 tabs of E in one go. Maybe some really keen lockdownists will take every vaccine going, and go back for a third shot as two is never enough. ,

256030 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 2, #1475 of 1705 🔗

I’ve ad four flu shots and a purple covid man
Banging!

I
am
fuckin
buzzing

mental

A total piano dentist, you know what I am saying?

Hardcore!

You know the score

😉

255874 ▶▶ Ben, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1476 of 1705 🔗

I would prefer to take the version the politicians, billionaires and celebrities are having

255855 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 9, #1477 of 1705 🔗

When is someone going to stand up to the nutcase Klaus Schwab, he is worse than a Bond villain.

KLAUS SCHWAB WANTS MANDATORY BRAIN SCANS DURING THE GREAT RESET! – TECHNOCRATIC OBEDIENCE IS INSANE! https://www.bitchute.com/video/r0tjmRJpBO09/

255861 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Darryl, 2, #1478 of 1705 🔗

Unfortunately, the men in white coats are fully booked at the moment. Please come back later when our magic vaccine has been rolled out.

255862 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Darryl, 7, #1479 of 1705 🔗

The guy is clearly an insane and corrupt cult leader. It just so happens nearly
every billionaire and political leader in the West follows the cult. We need a populist party that will expose the cult.

255951 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 3, #1480 of 1705 🔗

This has to be a distraction. He is at least. He’s too out in the open with this stuff and is clearly in a cult. I don’t know. Just seems to be too obviously sinister.

255863 CGL, replying to CGL, #1481 of 1705 🔗

I’ve tried looking in the comments from earlier today and I can’t find the link, but does anyone know how I can get hold of the JP Sears video where he and the other bloke are dead voters? Was very funny!

255935 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to CGL, 1, #1482 of 1705 🔗
256012 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Banjones, #1483 of 1705 🔗

Brilliant – thank you!

255864 Will, replying to Will, 3, #1484 of 1705 🔗

Stopped clocks and all that but the other day there was a useful graph on the BBC news website. It compared the situation in various European countries and showed the remnants of the Covid wave were much greater in the rest of Europe than in the Uk. Needless to say it was almost immediately pulled. Has anyone seen it anywhere?

255888 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Will, 7, #1485 of 1705 🔗

I think it’s underneath the patio.

255892 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1486 of 1705 🔗

An ideal place to bury good news.

255914 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1487 of 1705 🔗

Lol. If it’s a Brookside patio if might come back to haunt them.

255870 annie, replying to annie, 5, #1488 of 1705 🔗

Good news about the Oxford vaccine! It doesn’t hurt anybody! Whack it in!

Bad news about the Oxford vaccine! There’s no evidence that it works!

“Oxford’s results are from an earlier stage of testing so cannot estimate how well the vaccine protects against Covid, but are still a positive step. ”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8961245/SAGE-used-dodgy-data-WIKIPEDIA-model-Covid-crisis-spring-BBC-documentary-reveals.html

255879 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 7, #1489 of 1705 🔗

Doesn’t work? Doesn’t matter. It’s signalling your virtue that counts.

255949 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to annie, 2, #1490 of 1705 🔗

Doesn’t harm , doesn’t work , but you get your good citizen badge and certificate .
That’s the one for me . Will we be allowed to pick our vaccine of choice?

255960 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1491 of 1705 🔗

Don’t believe this sort of bullshit. Bill Gates has invested money in the Oxford vaccine, so there is no chance that it will find its way to the masses, if it won’t aid the long planned cull.

255994 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 2, #1492 of 1705 🔗

If it’s safe there’s no reason for indemnity

255871 Albie, replying to Albie, 22, #1493 of 1705 🔗

One of the many baffling things about this year is seeing how many over 50 pro lockdowners are petrified of death. It’s as if it’s a notion they’ve never entertained. They do realise they have lived more years than they have to live, don’t they? Or am I making assumptions? Oh, and despite being petrified of death they are happy to get a brand new vaccine injected asap despite no fucker having a clue what the long term side effects are!

255882 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Albie, 7, #1494 of 1705 🔗

Lines have been blurred between living and being alive. Entirely a deliberate act on the part of the Govt and media of course. Govt’s jobs in the past were to reassure the people, not to terrify them.

255978 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, 2, #1495 of 1705 🔗

It was deeply suspicious right at the start when we hardly saw anything of BJ. Just at the time he should have been addressing the nation, with information and reassurance. (As was President Trump at a daily press conference.)
Seeing Wittery on the world stage was nothing short of embarrassing. There was Trump surrounded by alpha-males, all talking up America and giving out a message of hope and positivity – and we had Wittery, and occasionally BJ looking scruffy and being patronising.
Did we really deserve these people?

256004 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Banjones, #1496 of 1705 🔗

Yer, of course we do.

255885 ▶▶ annie, replying to Albie, 15, #1497 of 1705 🔗

Before this bollox, Death didn’t officially exist. It was called end-of-life (rather as excreting is end-of-food?).The dying were shovelled away into hospitals to receive end-of-life care while conveniently out of sight, and most people never saw a corpse.
So it’s true, the thought that they might actually die some day never entered most people’s heads. When it did, they had no resources to cope. Now, they appear to think that if they live as little as they possibly can, Death may not notice them. Rather like kiddies holding their breath while playing hide-and seek.

255891 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Albie, 6, #1498 of 1705 🔗

I think we have a pretty good idea of the long term effects of the vaccines and they won’t be happening by chance. The Covid-19 pseudo-pandemic is the culmination of many years of planning, blackmail, bribery, threats and almost certainly violence. So the globalists will not be letting this engineered opportunity pass them by, we can safely bank on that.

255893 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Albie, 11, #1499 of 1705 🔗

Lol! The other odd thing is that the more they have stuffed their faces, eaten crap processed food, slouched on their sofas, drunk too much alcohol, pumped their bodies full of paracetamol and generally avoided fresh air, the more they seem to feel they have a right to be “protected” by making everyone else’s life a misery.

Not setting myself up as a paragon of health virtue here by the way! I accept responsibility for my choices.

255900 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Albie, 1, #1500 of 1705 🔗

That’s just an ageist trope.

255917 ▶▶▶ Albie, replying to RickH, 8, #1501 of 1705 🔗

I’m only referring to the pro-lockdown pro-everything sector of the over 50s. I’ve nothing but admiration for those who are pragmatic and wish to live their remaining years without dictation. Like the 83 year old lady who gave both barrels about lockdown in a recent TV interview.

255984 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Albie, -1, #1502 of 1705 🔗

All the oldies I know are marking time, just waiting for the off! Many know they haven’t many years left to realise the dreams they’ve been saving for all their lives.
Of course, Boris and his self-serving cohort would never have this problem at any age. It’s called ”the benefit of ill-gotten gains” and an ”I’m all right, Jack, so bugger you” attitude.

255944 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Albie, 3, #1503 of 1705 🔗

Yet they are living a death all the time lockdown and restrictions and masking are happening; it isn’t life.

255945 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Albie, 7, #1504 of 1705 🔗

All lockdowners are afraid of death, regardless of age. Some of the worst hysterics are 30-45 crowd. My husband and I are mid-fifties and have lived really good lives and travelled the world. Our kids are almost 24 and 20, so we’ve done most of what we can for them other than financial support. If it’s our time, it’s our time, and we were against all of this insanity from the get go. My dad, who is 80 and not at all healthy, seems terrified of death even though he doesn’t have much of a life. I suspect the people most pro-lockdown are the ones who aren’t particularly happy and haven’t had the most fulfilling lives.

255968 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1505 of 1705 🔗

I’m sure you’re right.