2020-11-20

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256166 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 17, #1 of 1846 🔗

I really should go to bed, it is 03:30

256211 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Dave #KBF, 12, #2 of 1846 🔗

Dear dobuting

Prof Carl Heneghan & Tom Jefferson
Landmark Danish study shows face masks have no significant effect
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-
There was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19.

257303 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #3 of 1846 🔗

I posted this on Facebook and got a Fact check thing that said that the ‘test was inconclusive as the test was underpowered’. The absolute fuckers.

257377 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mutineer, 2, #4 of 1846 🔗

what the f does underpowered mean?

257549 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to mjr, 1, #5 of 1846 🔗

It means that the study was two small to declare that the effect seen could have been by chance (about 1/3 times). Normally significance is declared if the chance was 1/20 or less. There is no magic in 1/20, it is a convention.

257419 ▶▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Mutineer, 1, #6 of 1846 🔗

This just happened to me!

257773 ▶▶▶▶ Evelyn, replying to Mutineer, #7 of 1846 🔗

Me too.

257532 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #8 of 1846 🔗

I posted this on Facebook and it was banned by their ‘fact checkers’. An article by an Oxford professor, for God’s sake!!

256217 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #9 of 1846 🔗

Dear dobule doubting

The great lockdown hypocrites

California’s hardline governor has not been practising what he preaches. Maybe politicians should stop preaching
BY DOUGLAS MURRAY
https://unherd.com/2020/11/the-great-lockdown-hypocrites/

257086 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #10 of 1846 🔗

https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/frankzappa/hungryfreaksdaddy.html
Lyrics of Frank Zappa on LBJ’s ‘Great Society’.

257314 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to richard riewer, #11 of 1846 🔗

We’re Only In It For The Money, sums up this period brilliantly, what would FZ made of America today?

257422 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to David Grimbleby, #12 of 1846 🔗

Here is an amusing interview with FZ in 1976:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTL8l_CO5Ac

256276 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #13 of 1846 🔗

Will the government allow you to do that?

257925 ▶▶ sam, replying to Dave #KBF, #14 of 1846 🔗

co-editor of Conservative Woman interviewed by Delingpole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cABqG-BO9k8

256167 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 9, #15 of 1846 🔗

Just put this on Thursdays page, thought it was worth posting here:

This is the best interview I have seen or heard from Dr. Mike Yeadon.

I have sent it to some people who I believe are borderline sceptics & I think this video is done in a way which may help them to understand.

Maybe it will you you persuade people.

Dr Mike Yeadon

256170 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dave #KBF, 18, #16 of 1846 🔗

Thanks DD, my only knowledge of epidemics is of historical plagues and being educated here at LS but, being out and about as a key worker from day one, I agree with Mike that it was obvious that the worst was over in late May and that worst was nowhere near as bad as we were still being told.
They were lying from the out and have lied throughout.

256699 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 5, #17 of 1846 🔗

I remember clearly stating to a work colleague in April, who was asking what would happen to xmas parties (we work in catering), oh , it will be over in may!!
I never expected to be still in this s…. show.

256740 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Silke David, 1, #18 of 1846 🔗

Still in it until at least late next year even with a vaccine according to the Expert on Jeremy Vines show yesterday.

256176 ▶▶ PAM, replying to Dave #KBF, 13, #19 of 1846 🔗

It appears the video has been removed.

256187 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to PAM, 20, #20 of 1846 🔗

It has, for violating the terms of service, i.e. telling the truth.

256192 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PAM, 8, #21 of 1846 🔗

They are really going for Mike Yeadon, his interview for Manchesters students has also been removed.

256209 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to PAM, 6, #22 of 1846 🔗

It has. If you go to his twitter there is something on there (still) that is).

256229 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to PAM, 9, #23 of 1846 🔗

We really should start use bitchute and brandnewtube more try and avoid the censors

256401 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #24 of 1846 🔗

Unfortunately, despite Styxhexenhammer’s best efforts, bitchute is still a David to YouTube’s Goliath, and Brandnewtube is even more marginal.

256214 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #25 of 1846 🔗

“has been removed”

256243 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Dave #KBF, 16, #26 of 1846 🔗

It has been removed for violating You Tubes system of truth detection

They need to be sued. This is outrageous. How dare they tell us what we are allowed to see.

If this isn’t 1984 I dont know what is.

256399 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 4, #27 of 1846 🔗

Have just seen it on FB from the Unlocked people. So it is around on various outlets just need to search.

256767 ▶▶▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to CGL, 4, #28 of 1846 🔗

Also on bitchute https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/
This link is above the line.

256994 ▶▶▶▶▶ robert hales, replying to Cedric the dragon, 1, #29 of 1846 🔗

Great video – Well found Cedric. Hard hitting finish.

257333 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cedric the dragon, #30 of 1846 🔗

Thank you!

256428 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 9, #31 of 1846 🔗

Unfortunately nearly all of the infrastructure to analyse in real time and censor across all social media platforms has been built and paid for using “stopping terrorism” as a driver. Also the whole censorial behemoth has been sold to the public as a way of stopping paedophilia, the sharing of child-porn, and wanting to keep children and others safe online from online harms.

So with the full support of almost all the brainwashed masses we have
Global Ai driven “lockstep” censorship across all media platforms.

Stay safe.

256624 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 5, #32 of 1846 🔗

Your point is correct in what it says but incomplete. In fact it’s suppression of “hate speech” as a whole – including all the political correctness speech- and thought-crimes, that has been the justification for establishing and operating these kinds of control mechanisms, which were easily turned to policing coronapanic dissent.

Thus demonstrating the fundamental truth that the lefty pc hypocrites all claimed to believe at one time or another but demonstrably either did not understand or chose to ignore when it proved inconvenient for them – that free speech is for everyone, or in the end it is for nobody but the powerful.

257059 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CGL, 3, #33 of 1846 🔗

Stop calling YouTube Youtube. Google bought them out. Therefore it should now be called GoogleTube.

257750 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to richard riewer, #34 of 1846 🔗

Touchy! 🙂

256250 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Dave #KBF, 9, #35 of 1846 🔗
256372 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #36 of 1846 🔗

Yes it is, well done.

Flag it up to Toby please.
Link in Shameful Begging paragraph.

256261 ▶▶ Frank, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #37 of 1846 🔗

youtube removed the video, so must have been excellent

256268 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #38 of 1846 🔗

Removed for violating terms of service. What a brave new world we live in.

256293 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RyanM, 1, #39 of 1846 🔗

Should have finished it last night when it was still up on YouTube!

256333 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #40 of 1846 🔗

So.

The video on bitchute is about half an hour long, and features Mike Y in a garage in front of a part disassembled motor bike.

Is this the same video ?

It is absolutely excellent BTW.

256376 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bill h, 4, #41 of 1846 🔗

Yes, I saw it 04.30 this morning on YouTube

256436 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bill h, 1, #42 of 1846 🔗

Aparently Mike Yeadon likes those old two-stroke Japanese tripples. The Kasasaki GT 550 I think he said is his favourite motorbike.

257068 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #43 of 1846 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7cWqKUoNJ8
KAWASAKI let the good times roll …

256339 ▶▶ Advance Britannia, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #44 of 1846 🔗

Removed by UselessTube but available here – https://lbry.tv/Mike-Yeadon-Unlocked:0 – Excellent video.

256377 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Advance Britannia, 2, #45 of 1846 🔗

Could some forward that yo the student Unlock site

256441 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #46 of 1846 🔗

That’s why they have banned it .

256502 ▶▶ Masqueless, replying to Dave #KBF, 8, #47 of 1846 🔗

Yes, excellent. I would love to see a debate between Mike Yeadon and one of the Sage “specialists” to help get to the truth. Isn’t that what happens in free societies? Oh, I forgot!

256582 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Masqueless, 20, #48 of 1846 🔗

Yes, you’ve hit it right on the nail. This hasn’t been a free society for years, and covid19 has only made it worse. It’s not just mental censorship we’re under – it’s physical, mental social and economic censorship. For example, I’m a grandmother. How DARE any one bit politician or so-called “expert” dare to tell me that if I kiss my grandchildren in December I’ll die in January. I can manage my own life, thanks, and better than them. At least I still have some humanity

256640 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Dave #KBF, #49 of 1846 🔗

Video now removed by no view Youtube.

256732 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Rowan, 1, #50 of 1846 🔗

When I clicked on the link in a Twatter post I got the following warning: Linky

(I tried posting a screen capture, but this site wouldn’t accept it)

Suffice to say, there was nothing “Unsafe” about it – the Bitchute link works fine. And for what it’s worth, if you want to download (and keep) the video, try using the following – it is the actual video source:

https://seed163.bitchute.com/DLkykZZDVNZp/J0JWur5LNePt.mp4

Once the miniplayer loads in your browser page you can right click and select “Save Video As”

257916 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to microdave, #51 of 1846 🔗

Screenshot

256747 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #52 of 1846 🔗

This is another excellent interview with Mike Yeadon. I assume it is the one on bitchute linked to above the line for the new student “Unlocked” organisation. He has really helped me fill in the gaps in my biology knowledge.
DD’s link doesn’t work now, YT have removed it but it is here https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/

256938 ▶▶ Tracy, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #53 of 1846 🔗

Where can we see the Dr Mike Yeadon video – YouTube has, of course, removed it!!

257115 ▶▶ Paul M, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #54 of 1846 🔗

Been taken down by youtube and others in the same censorious group. But it is here on bitchute. Well worth a watch.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/

257118 ▶▶ Wilf79, replying to Dave #KBF, #55 of 1846 🔗

video has been removed by Youtube – surprise surprise

257439 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #56 of 1846 🔗

Why am I not surprised so see that Dr Yeadon clearly possesses the skills and patience to maintain a bike? That sort of character goes hand in hand with the quietly noble demeanour, and calm, clear delivery even though he must know he’s putting pearls before swine.

257714 ▶▶ Old Mum, replying to Dave #KBF, #57 of 1846 🔗

Been removed!

256168 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #58 of 1846 🔗
256171 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #59 of 1846 🔗

Does that make us the 300 ?

256195 ▶▶▶ aidan, replying to karenovirus, 3, #60 of 1846 🔗

I think that makes us the Persians being deleted en masse :-O

256206 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #61 of 1846 🔗

Go tell the zombies, ye who pass us by,
That as the BBC, we always lie.

256347 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 1, #62 of 1846 🔗

I hope so!

257170 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RichardJames, 1, #63 of 1846 🔗

Agents for global change=unelected simian overlords.

256720 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 1, #64 of 1846 🔗

The 600 more like “Charge for the guns!” he said …’

257913 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to richard riewer, #66 of 1846 🔗

The Madness are pretty good. Absolute legends.

256174 richmond, #67 of 1846 🔗

.

256175 richmond, replying to richmond, 70, #68 of 1846 🔗

..

256202 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to richmond, 42, #69 of 1846 🔗

If it were as good as claimed, they would hardly need to ban any discussion and smear anyone who asked questions.

And they certainly would not need to grant indemnity to the drug companies.

256296 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to PaulH, 13, #70 of 1846 🔗

I just watched the Yeadon video I want to hear him on the vaccination next.

256945 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Marialta, 2, #71 of 1846 🔗

If you listen to Dr Bhakdi on the Trigonometry film, he talks a lot about the vaccine in later stages of the interview. (wrote Corona: False Alarm?)

256337 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 5, #72 of 1846 🔗

So you’re back, but still too lazy and inconsiderate to pick yourself an ID that isn’t already in use I see. Unless you are a new “new Mark”, in which case, mistaken identity.

256290 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to richmond, 6, #73 of 1846 🔗

Great poster

256632 ▶▶ Ben, replying to richmond, 14, #74 of 1846 🔗

And our freedoms to live will be tied to regular updates of these vaccines. Microsoft updates or patches for humans – for life, guaranteed to keep pharma rich

Proof of updates will be required to travel, work, and to simply be allowed to live via immunity passports. Tech companies will make a killing from human surveillance

We are to be branded by the plantation owner

257090 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 4, #75 of 1846 🔗

Security patches from Microsoft? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

257235 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 3, #76 of 1846 🔗

“Microsoft” ring me most weeks and I usually tell them to fuck off.

256177 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 38, #77 of 1846 🔗

Further to Toby’s Health & Safety breaches at Lighthouse Lab.

During the latter decades of the Soviet Union citizens and the media were permitted to criticize specific policies, programmes and individuals, especially if they had spectacularly failed.
This had the purpose of distracting the population from the failings of the regime itself which was still beyond criticism.

The failures of those policies could be blamed on those criticised individuals who would be sacked, imprisoned or executed.

Is it possible that the failures exposed by Despatches and the previous scandal of PPE procurement serve the same purpose? Not that anything has been closed down or people sacked or imprisoned.

The CCP still do the same thing today but by rolling up webs of ‘corruption’ and executing the ringleaders to the delight of the citizenry.

256180 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 13, #78 of 1846 🔗

And if a superlab can cock things on this scale, what price the ability of ordinary medical practices to handle the Pfizer vaccine?

256193 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #79 of 1846 🔗

It’ll be ok, squaddies get field First Aid training these days.

256443 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #80 of 1846 🔗

The can all deal with a sucking chest wound and do an emergency tracheotomy using a biro.

256196 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 2, #81 of 1846 🔗

The organisation is run by WanCock. I would trust him to deliver a pizza.

256241 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 1, #82 of 1846 🔗

Is there a way to find out who the shareholders are?

256569 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 1, #83 of 1846 🔗

Companies House ?

256422 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to karenovirus, 17, #84 of 1846 🔗

Having been a child in the Soviet Union I can confirm this, criticism of specific incompetents acting as a safety valve when the lies cannot be sustained and the use of approved court jesters to tell some truths that cannot be hidden.

however as the communists found out eventually the public get wise to this and revolt

256481 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #85 of 1846 🔗

Thanks for sharing your perspective. Let’s hope we don’t have to wait decades for the revolt to come this time!

256535 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #86 of 1846 🔗

Classic distraction by means of scapegoating acceptable targets: economical with the truth.

Tried and tested here.

256554 ▶▶ stewart, replying to karenovirus, 6, #87 of 1846 🔗

It distracts attention from the bigger crime: the wholesale suppression of civil liberties based on lies and misinformation.

256584 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to karenovirus, 4, #88 of 1846 🔗

I’ll give you five- Johnson, Hancock, Vallance, Whitty and Ferguson

257099 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Anne Passman, 2, #89 of 1846 🔗

The Gang of Five. One better than China’s Gang of Four.

256710 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 1, #90 of 1846 🔗

CCP mostly eliminating the competition after yet another power struggle amongst the kleptocracy.

256178 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 20, #91 of 1846 🔗

From Toby’s ‘guilt tripping returns to spoil Christmas’
In a similar vein to GMB and R4 Today, I posted yesterday about Jeremy Vine hosting bad Doctor Sarah Jarvis who used more inflammatory language to make the same point.

‘Family gatherings for Xmas lunch will cause Covid Carnage’

The cost will not be more lockdown, it will be Death.
‘If Aunt Betty and grandma come over you might be saying goodbye to them in February’.

Her colleague Dr. Colin something spoke of ‘Disease Churn’.

Both agreed that for each day of merriment we must expect 5 additional days confinement (as per Toby’s report).

Clearly a centrally planned media circus, expect more of the same in todays newspapers.

256182 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 8, #92 of 1846 🔗

Talk about Scrooge on steroids!
But we can borrow one of his favourite phrases: ‘Bah! Humbug!”

256213 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 8, #93 of 1846 🔗

I’ve always liked Scrooge because he wasn’t a hypocrite.

257727 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #94 of 1846 🔗

Me too. He’s had a bad press. He couldn’t have become such a free-spending benefactor if he hadn’t made that money in the first place. Tiny Tim would have died if it weren’t for Scrooge’s initial thriftiness..

256191 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to karenovirus, 14, #95 of 1846 🔗

My MP is part of the Covid Recovery group. This is part of a message I sent to him yesterday:

“One particular quick win that your group may be able to influence is the suggestion of there being a very brief Christmas ceasefire and that itself being followed by a further lockdown. I suggest that such draconian measures will be the final straw for many people who have so far been supportive of the government or at least have been prepared, however reluctantly, to follow the guidelines”

If the group do make a stand on this it will only make a difference if the group has substantial numbers AND if some opposition MPs come out against the lockdown approach.
I am not aware of any opposition MPs breaking ranks to date. There must be many who harbour concerns. How can they be persuaded to out themselves?

257105 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to SilentP, 2, #96 of 1846 🔗

What about New Year’s Eve?

256239 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 29, #97 of 1846 🔗

There have been similar comments on Twitter, someone said is saving Christmas Dinner worth sacrificing Granny & Grandad to which I replied This Grandad says yes it most certainly is, I’m happy to take my chances, – to which I got 15 likes and no adverse comments.
Others made the obvious point that most elderly people can still think for themselves and if they wish to avoid any chance of infection they can isolate themselves.
But this also brings out this weird approach to death we have these days, surely elderly relatives dying in January & February is what they have always done? On the West Country news they announce the terrifying new that one person has died here or two people have died there as if dying was as newsworthy as being abducted by aliens.

256252 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Steve Martindale, 34, #98 of 1846 🔗

The entirely natural deaths of the very old ,frail and sick have been weaponised to keep us all in line.

This is classic mass manipulation, predicated upon an unreasonable and frankly silly refusal to acknowledge that death will come to us all, sooner or later.

Our society needs to rid itself of the unhealthy consumerist attitude to health, life span expectations and appropriate treatment.

I’m retired, I have no wish to be marked down as vulnerable, I have a Living Will and a DNR card.

What could be worse than being kept alive in a home, demented, incontinent, dependent and lacking any sense of self?

The media need to stop with the hyperbole.

257203 ▶▶▶▶ Lyndsay, replying to wendyk, 1, #99 of 1846 🔗

Wendyk Yes, but neither should death come sooner due to government policy to seed care homes by deliberately filling with elderly ‘bedblockers’ and failing to protect the vulnerable early on when they should have done. Also having dementia is not one thing as you seem to think. People with dementia can still live worthwhile and enjoyable lives in many ways; certainly my mum, who had years to go, would not have wanted to have a DNAR forced upon her as she arrived in hospital only to pass away unnoticed and alone in a hospital bed.

257815 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Lyndsay, 1, #100 of 1846 🔗

I would also strongly resist being defined as vulnerable and have become fearful of being my life being prolonged with flu vaccines and other medical treatments if I’m unlucky another to develop Alzheimer’s or any other kind of condition where I’m completely dependant on others.

256259 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #101 of 1846 🔗

I always tell the story of the death spike in January 2000. The spirit is willing…

256726 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Will, 2, #102 of 1846 🔗

There is a theory that some elderly pull themselves together for christmas, and then die in January and February.
What the f.. is so special about christmas? It is just an excuse to spend money people do not have and eat too much.
Nothing to do with “family”, definitely not the original purpose. Remember we are supposed to celebrate Jesus’ birthday?

257699 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Silke David, 5, #103 of 1846 🔗

To be honest, for quite a lot of people it means steeling yourself to spend dreary hours or days in the company of relatives that you can’t stand.
But it is still not the bloody government’s job to decide who you do or do not have to put up with.

256246 ▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 12, #104 of 1846 🔗

And if it’s their last for some other reason anyway it should still be stolen from them? What about someone who is now unknowingly going to die of some as yet undiagnosed terminal condition – this could be any one of us’s last xmas – who knows. These people need locking away. I wonder how far up the money tree Ms Jarvis is? What a witch.

256316 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to karenovirus, 13, #105 of 1846 🔗

I’m sick to the back teeth of the meme that the entire world has to stop so that somebody who is going to die soon anyway can spend a few more years living in abject loneliness.

Perhaps I should create a poster with the tagline: “Goodbye granny, you’ve had your life. I want mine.”

256319 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #106 of 1846 🔗

Please do Mabel

256834 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #107 of 1846 🔗

I agree but the problem is that I don’t have any kids

256367 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 26, #108 of 1846 🔗

This is nothing but emotional blackmail and the likes of that Jarvis woman and that scientist mentioned above should hang their heads in shame. Of course they don’t care as they have a guaranteed income and in the case of that scientist wealthy (who knew that he can afford to splash £20K to give to the Labour party) enough to absorb any financial aftershocks. The rest of us aren’t so fortunate.

My father-in-law turned 80 this year. He lives in the Democratic People’s Republic of Scotland and is very, very fed up with the whole thing. He’s unable to go to concerts, can’t do his research (the National Library of Scotland has been closed throughout), unable to go to London & France for holidays & research trips and can’t even do day trips as the public transport where he lives is abysmal.

If these clowns think that they’re saving the likes of my father-in-law then they’re sorely mistaken. If they asked him, he would have told them that he would rather live his life and let the chips come what may.

And going back to that Jarvis woman, she and that other daytime TV doctor whose name I can’t remember should be struck off from the GMC when this shit show is over. They’ve abused their title and authority as GPs to the point that they’ve been advocating and causing harm.

256454 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #109 of 1846 🔗

Doctor Killory Jones. The Orange Doctor.

256654 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 1, #110 of 1846 🔗

That’s the one.

257110 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, 2, #111 of 1846 🔗

Agent Orange.

256578 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #112 of 1846 🔗

The Today Programme mentioned that 1 day of freedom must result in 5 days lockdown came from SAGE but the Expert could not say how they had arrived at it.

256952 ▶▶▶▶ claire, replying to karenovirus, 2, #113 of 1846 🔗

Does it work the opposite way? Christmas day alone = five days of freedom?

257102 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 4, #114 of 1846 🔗

Neurotic hypochondriacs on steroids.

256179 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 18, #115 of 1846 🔗

Studen Unlock campaign. Mike Yeadons interview for them has already been deleted for breaching terms of service.
Means someone is paying them attention, GCHQ ?

I’m impressed with the 5 aims of their campaign, only one of which concerns themselves directly.

Students are generally a self serving lot, the last time they did anything noisy was when the Coalition supposedly raised their tuition fees and before that it was the ‘Revolting Students’ of the 1970s.

256184 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 11, #116 of 1846 🔗

I was a student in the 1970s and boy! were we revolting.

256242 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 4, #117 of 1846 🔗

And we made a lot of fuss at Surrey when the poll tax was imposed.

256208 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to karenovirus, 5, #118 of 1846 🔗

I cannot access their page. Can anyone confirm if the interview is up on a pro free speech platform such as BitChute?

256220 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 3, #119 of 1846 🔗

I don’t know but I’ve sent an email to LS to let them know about Mike’s videos

256335 ▶▶ LS99, replying to karenovirus, 2, #120 of 1846 🔗

Students were quite active for the miners in the 1980s although several friends of mine took the SU protest bus down to London and then went shopping.

256475 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to karenovirus, 9, #121 of 1846 🔗

It’s Mike Yeadon they want to silence .The powers that be don’t like the news about the P C R tests not working getting into the mainstream .

256581 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wat tyler, 2, #122 of 1846 🔗

Care home manager I was talking to about vaccines was already well aware that PCR tests are more or less useless.

256181 Kevin_Sceptic, 5, #123 of 1846 🔗

ew interview with Unlocked on “ Why Lockdown was a mistake ” that is well worth a watch.

They didn’t lose any time taking that off YouTube. Maybe getting a bit near the truth?

256185 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 7, #124 of 1846 🔗

Lockdown 1 – programme on BBC2 last night

Although Toby has highlighted the use ofWikipedia in his editorial I came away from the programme feeling very uncomfortable about its message.

Although it was critical of the science used in Lockdown 1, those interviewed seemed to all be saying that the lockdown should have started earlier i.e. giving the subliminal message that the overall approach to lockdowns should be tougher.

There was no consideration given to whether Lockdown 1 had provided any net benefit.

Whatever the merits and demerits of Lockdown 1, we are now in a very different position and what may or may not have been appropriate then may not be appropriate now.

What was with the eerie music throughout the entire programme?

256189 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to SilentP, 3, #125 of 1846 🔗

Susan Michie showed herself up

256205 ▶▶ Will, replying to SilentP, 25, #126 of 1846 🔗

The lag between infection and death is now reasoned to be 28 days. The peak of deaths in the spring was the 9th April so the peak of infections was the 12th March. On the 12th March 2 deaths were reported, both of people in their late eighties. A lockdown on the 12th March would have made no difference and would have been completely unenforceable, but, to have radically altered the course of the virus (temporarily)the lockdown would have had to come even earlier which would have been even more untenable.

It is becoming clearer by the day that the “second” wave (actually the remnants of the original wave) has been more pronounced in countries that locked down earlier and harder, whilst the UK is seeing a much smaller curve because it locked down later. If it had lifted restrictions after three weeks, in April, we would have seen even less of an autumnal bump, imho, and probably fewer deaths with covid as immune systems would have been more robust to handle an encounter with the virus in the spring sunshine, especially if we weren’t locked up in our houses!?!?

256223 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Will, 3, #127 of 1846 🔗

Just trying to remain critically reflective here… Could a lockdown have a concertina effect on the date between peak infection and peak death numbers?

256238 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #128 of 1846 🔗

Possibly, if it is respected and enforced. The suggestion that the country would have consented to a lockdown efficient enough to compromise the course of a virus, of which there was evidence of 1300 separate genomes (iirc), when the cumulative death toll was ten is beyond fanciful, imho.

256390 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #129 of 1846 🔗

How would that work? If the peak number of infections has already passed when lockdown is introduced, then the most the lockdown can do is increase the rate at which the dropoff occurs from the peak that is already baked in however many days later, surely? Unless other mechanisms intervene to change the mean time to death, obviously.

256857 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mark, 2, #130 of 1846 🔗

IDK, just testing our own theories out. Maybe in the first few days of LD some people stay at home/care home and die rather than seeking treatment

256923 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, #131 of 1846 🔗

Fair enough. Good general policy.

257181 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #132 of 1846 🔗

Mark Windows suggested ridicule as one of the best ways to criticize this BS. Satire can also be very effective. Don’t attempt to reason with these people, lay them to waste!

257416 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, #133 of 1846 🔗

Important to challenge each other to strengthen our arguments.

256232 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Will, 29, #134 of 1846 🔗

Your last point about the spring sunshine is very pertinent, I remember scenes of policemen remonstrating with people sunbathing in the parks when in fact that it was everybody should have been doing. All that sunny weather in April May was nature’s cure for covid and perversely we were told to stay at home. Having a virus lockdown in all that hot sunny weather was crazy.

256233 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #135 of 1846 🔗

Particularly for the poor stuck in blocks of flats with kiddie play park outside bolted shut.

256253 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #136 of 1846 🔗

I think sunshine, stress, vit D will prove to have played a part in the large second waves of countries that had large first waves and strict lockdowns

257984 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, #137 of 1846 🔗

No ”second waves” but a lot to do with ”dry tinder”. Mike Yeadon pointed out (in his excellent video) that many countries with a lower number of deaths had had a light flu season previously.

256338 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 2, #138 of 1846 🔗

And all the studies now on immunity, pre existing and infection acquired, supports everything that. 55m known ‘cases’, no reinfections that aren’t just noise.

257155 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 4, #139 of 1846 🔗

The ‘second wave’ is nonsense. There is a normal autumn rise (if varying between countries) of respiratory tract infections. Some of these may be a result of SARS-CoV-2, which, if it behaves like any other virus, is now part of the background of infectious agents.

257561 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Will, 1, #140 of 1846 🔗

The lag between infection and death is now reasoned to be 28 days.

Reasoned by whom?

There is a consistent lag of five seven days between hospital admissions and deaths. I find it hard to believe that people are admitted to hospital three weeks after infection. One week, ten days, bur certainly not three weeks.

256186 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 40, #141 of 1846 🔗

Anyone figured it out yet? Look at Thursday’s posts and look at todays.

This has always been about greater control of the population.

This is the start of the takeover. Shock and awe with lockdowns, enough of them and people will accept anything. Communism is coming and all the effects of it.

They will go after meat production/consumption soon, cars are already getting it, next will be greater censorship and logging of all of your activities off and online.

Think it cannot happen, please think again and act as though it could.

First they will come for so called “anti-vaxxers” and little furore will happen. Then they close in another group and no one helps, then they come for you…and no one is left to help.

256231 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheBigman, 21, #142 of 1846 🔗

Yep, next will be to take the internet down under the guise of a cyber security attack whereby it will be purged of every site not following or questioning the narrative. As well as certain people ‘disappearing’.

This cannot be allowed to happen, the brainwashed need to wake up as their and their children’s lives will be ruined.

256235 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 4, #143 of 1846 🔗

Insurectionists always went for the radio stations and later the TV studios.
Where do we go to liberate our internet?

256244 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to karenovirus, 4, #144 of 1846 🔗

You don’t. (EVIL LAUGH!)

256497 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #145 of 1846 🔗

Brilliant name 😉

256299 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to stefarm, 3, #146 of 1846 🔗

WEF already talking up that threat.Despite the internet facilitating this takeover it is the only place where you can find content that is questioning the official narrative.They are watching and learning.

256362 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #147 of 1846 🔗

Oh yes, ice age farmer done a good bit about future plans also nicely reported by Max igan.

https://mobile.twitter.com/IceAgeFarmer

256251 ▶▶ CGL, replying to TheBigman, 7, #148 of 1846 🔗

Already going for meat production with avian flu outbreaks and now more covid outbreaks in meat factories.

256712 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to TheBigman, 3, #149 of 1846 🔗

I am reading Robert Conquest’s ‘The Great Terror’, tracing the purges and show trials and mass executions of Jolly Joe Stalin, as he dealt with ‘dissidence’ in his own cuddly way. Peasants are there to be collectivised, always and easily, sadly. But the elites can often be left to turn on themselves, or not know which is the right knee to take on any given day so end up the wrong side of policy whims. There’s some hope in the latter, in today’s COVID collectivisation. But Stalin’s trick – keep raising the bar on terror, much as Boris sets out the central planning to force us down the road to Green Hell, making us almost nostalgic for COVID gulags – can be repeated almost ad infinitum. Happy Friday, then.

256787 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TyRade, 1, #150 of 1846 🔗

Great book and would highly recommend it.

257932 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TyRade, #151 of 1846 🔗

Stalin’s last purge was against his own doctors which is why he died alone on the floor in a pool of his own piss.
bozo take note

257107 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TheBigman, 2, #152 of 1846 🔗

Why “Communism”? That is a paraphrase of a famous statement by Pastor Niemoeller, who was persecuted by the Nazis.

257173 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Waldorf, 1, #153 of 1846 🔗

Oh – the use of ‘Communism’ here is just inaccurate knee-jerkery – a sort of ideological comfort-blanket – not serious political analysis.

I think it comes from a reluctance to recognise that the current authoritarianism has been born from the great Moving Right show of free marketry, whilst Stalinism came from the opposite direction.

The results may have things in common, but the genesis is not the same.

257160 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TheBigman, #154 of 1846 🔗

Communism is coming”

No. The apotheosis of unregulated global capital, and the next stage of upward wealth transfer is HERE.

257192 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TheBigman, 3, #155 of 1846 🔗

At the moment it costs nearly twice as much to manufacture an electric car as opposed to a gas-powered one. What the hell are they thinking? The plan to ban all gas/diesel powered vehicles by 2030 is pie in the sky thinking. Unachievable. Deride and laugh mercilessly at their stupidity every chance you get.

257977 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to richard riewer, #156 of 1846 🔗

I don’t remember it being in their manifesto back in December, that they were going to ruin the country with this ”green” madness. If it had been, I definitely wouldn’t have voted for them, even with the promise of Brexit being dangled like a carrot.
So can we expect a debate about it?

256190 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #157 of 1846 🔗

From the roundup
‘Nurse suspended for spreading conspiracy theories’.
Streisand Effect on steroids with the Mail commenters

Own goal for the censors.

256227 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 6, #158 of 1846 🔗

This very brave woman works-or did work-at my local hospital.

256381 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 4, #159 of 1846 🔗

She was on Richie Allen last night, a really lovely caring woman who has had enough of the lies. She is actually off sick with stress and hasn’t been suspended

256197 Will, replying to Will, 6, #160 of 1846 🔗

Interesting that Will has highlighted cases falling in Europe. I asked yesterday, has anyone seen a graph that compares the remnants of the virus wave in different European countries? It was on the BBC a couple of weeks ago, for about twenty minutes, before the Reich ministry of propaganda and public enlightenment had it taken down.

256321 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Will, 3, #161 of 1846 🔗

Worldometers has individual graphs for each European countries. The ECDC has a combined graph here once you scroll down
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

256198 wendyk, 9, #162 of 1846 🔗

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/public-justice-offences-incorporating-charging-standard

Knowing nothing about legal matters and having just read Dr Harris’s account, I’m wondering whether the charge of conspiracy to pervert etc would be applicable.

Our liberties have been removed steadily ,seemingly on an ad hoc basis, while politicians and their advisors claim to be following ‘the science’, much of which now seems to have originated in wikipedia, the latter known to be not entirely impartial.

Private biolabs claim that the withholding of material vital to the public interest is covered by commercial confidentiality agreements.

I hope that Dr Harris will be allowed to give evidence to the Commons Committee on Health, and that this will be filmed in open session.

Meanwhile, I’ll send his article to Sir Desmond Swayne.

256199 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 15, #163 of 1846 🔗

The Times is up to its old scaremongering tricks again with that article about South Africa. The true figure for CV-19 deaths (previously healthy people who fell ill and died) is much more likely to be around 2,000 than 20,000.

Why do I say this? Because just like in the UK, the health authorities were very lax about diagnoses, with large numbers of people who had died of other ailments being chalked up to CV-19. I personally know of cases where families were angered to see CV-19 on the death certificate when a poor relative had actually died of cancer.

Additionally, local health authorities reported that amazingly there was no 2020 winter flu season in South Africa, despite unusually cold weather. Really? Does any sane person really believe this? You do not have to be Sherlock Holmes to see what happened to the flu cases this year – yes, all rebranded as CV-19.

So please take the Times with a large pinch of salt. Or better still don’t read it at all – at least if you want to see news rather than Covid Cult propaganda.

256272 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to PaulH, 5, #164 of 1846 🔗

They are seeding the system for next winter’s lockdown.

‘There were few flu deaths in 2020 – there is a massive increase in flu deaths in 2021, we must lockdown to save granny from the flu.’

257973 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ewan Duffy, #165 of 1846 🔗

I’ve just watched UK Column video on Youtube (as suggested by a commenter here) and there’s an interesting graph at the very end showing how (according to WHO’s figures) flu has almost completely disappeared throughout the world. It seems to have morphed into covid.
Amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGizkol1njo&feature=youtu.be&t=1748

256374 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 1, #166 of 1846 🔗

Again, rather frustratingly, an intelligent and informed post that I really can’t find anything to nitpick with. A little presumptive on the suppose explanation regarding flu, but it’s one of the possible explanations. You clearly are intelligent and informed. So how is it that you are seemingly incapable of creating a recognisable identity for yourself here? It ain’t rocket science after all – most of the commenters here have managed to do so, including several other Marks. (Again, if you aren’t the Mark who appeared here a couple of months ago and has been posting occasionally since then, mistaken identity. Just take it as me pointing out that the software here does not restrict public IDs to those not already in use.)

257752 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Mark, 1, #167 of 1846 🔗

I believe that, once you have chosen a username on LS, you are not allowed to change it. Does anyone know better? I would llike to revert to my real name but I’m stuck with this humorous Wodehouse character because I chose it in a time when there was still something to smile about.

257981 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Monty Bodkin, #168 of 1846 🔗

I was advised that you can just type in a new one at any time. I think it might change all your past posts as well, if you are logged in, though I’m not sure about that.

256697 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PaulH, 5, #169 of 1846 🔗

South African https://pandata.org/about/ group is an excellent resource. They are at the coal face and very aware of the damage from poverty caused to people living day to day. Michael Levitt ‘of the party’.

256200 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 9, #170 of 1846 🔗

Sooo. We have T-Cell immunity. We have had several months of the ‘virus’ spreading. We’ve had two lockdowns and multiple months in a ‘tier’ system.

Yet somehow Scotland once again manages to out-do the rUK in the draconian war on the people.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/scotland-travel-ban-exemptions-reasons-19306808

So for me to leave my area is now illegal and can result in jail time?

Yet flying abroad to areas with unknown ‘cases’ (ha) is OK if you are in a ‘tier 1 or 2` because that must make you immune, despite the govt not realising that immunity already exists and is probably greater in the upper tiers.

256203 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to TheBigman, 12, #171 of 1846 🔗

And here on the West Coast, we’re just about to do a stretch in Tier 4, probably without parole for good behaviour.

If the Dominatrix has her way, we’ll soon be put under the ‘guidance’ of Covid Probation Officers.

I never expected that so many of us would become virtual Category A prisoners.

256207 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to wendyk, 10, #172 of 1846 🔗

So much for the supposed Scottish tenacity, I’m appalled every time I leave my house.

The spectator has it that the majority of Scots back Stasi-Sturgeon and her aims… I haven’t met one!

Well seeing as she is wanting a named person for each child I wouldn’t put Covid Officers off the table for her and her incestuous party.

Time for her and her party to go. Who would step up to the plate I dunno, hopefully the Reform party stand MPs/MSPs in Scotland.

256224 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to TheBigman, 10, #173 of 1846 🔗

I truly wish that broadcaster Andrew Neil would become an MSP,since I believe that he is one of the few public figures with the clout and verbal and intellectual firepower to take on the Sturgeonauts.

256236 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to TheBigman, 12, #174 of 1846 🔗

My bf is Scottish and he has family there, one of whom runs her own small business. They all absolutely loathe Sturgeon and the SNP’s loon policies, be it on lockdown, hate speech, or independence.

256245 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Poppy, 8, #175 of 1846 🔗

Problem is is that I’m not seeing much push back, just dumb compliance

256255 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, 7, #176 of 1846 🔗

Same here; low grade grumbling but no resistance.

256352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 5, #177 of 1846 🔗

The wonders of behavioural science, shrink people’s world to 6 people and fuck everyone else.

256360 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, 3, #178 of 1846 🔗

Yes, who thought that selfishness masquerading as ‘stopping the spread’ plus facial virtue signalling would be quite so successful?

What a sorry state to be in.

256391 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 5, #179 of 1846 🔗

Good point. As I’ve wondered earlier, what are the odds that many people are using the virus and the excuse of “keeping you safe” as a way to get rid of people they don’t like or don’t want to be friends any more?

256433 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #180 of 1846 🔗

I think you’re right Bart

256659 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 2, #181 of 1846 🔗

Yep. I’m reaching the point of doing a quid pro quo – do without certain people.

257757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #182 of 1846 🔗

My Christmas card list will be shorter this year.

256388 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 2, #183 of 1846 🔗

Unfortunately any dissent is drowned out by SNP cultists and those who don’t like the rest of the UK. Mike Graham and Neil Oliver noticed as much during their Wednesday chat on Talk Radio.

256708 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to wendyk, 2, #185 of 1846 🔗

Very good. Wish them well but attention from MSM is close to zero at the moment.

256314 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to TheBigman, 4, #186 of 1846 🔗

I contacted Nigel Farage a week or so ago to ask if Reform would be standing candidates in Scotland. I got a reply from him personally saying it’s under discussion and a lot depends on fundraising.

256221 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to wendyk, 4, #187 of 1846 🔗

I guess it is that spirit of Calvin and Knox that was lurking in the hllls waiting its opportunity.
Mind you it was Knox who wrote ‘ The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstruous Regiment of Women’ As far as Strurgeon is concerned he may have had a point!

256225 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #188 of 1846 🔗

Monstrous is as monstrous does. Mind you, I’m not monstrous just very very angry and disgusted.

256226 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheBigman, 8, #189 of 1846 🔗

Lunacy, she needs sectioning, how any person with any morals can put their name to this shit is beyond me.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she scribbles this shit on an old shopping receipt she finds in her handbag. No discussion or debate, end of. Very scary.

257965 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to TheBigman, #190 of 1846 🔗

”Despite the govt not realising…” OOooh, yes, they ”realise” all right. But it’s just sn inconvenient truth. Nothing to see here, move along.

256204 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #191 of 1846 🔗

Keeping up the scaremongering narrative.
Good old “long covid” & as an added bonus,
She is an NHS worker.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/i-blur-nhs-worker-opens-23038833

256218 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #192 of 1846 🔗

Where do they find these people?! She helps people with eating disorders, but spent the last few months getting into debt eating takeaways. Would have thought she would know a thing or two about nutrition and that too many takeaways probably not that good for your health!

256403 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tommo, 4, #193 of 1846 🔗

The mind boggles as well. And it might just be me but it seems like doctors and nurses seem to be the unhealthiest people round, case in point, I was once doing a shop at Tesco near Warren Street station and in front of me in the queue was a doctor whose shopping cart consisted of donuts, two cans of fizzy drinks, huge packet of crisps and biscuits.

257234 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #194 of 1846 🔗

The symptoms sound very much like anxiety, which fits with a lot of her comments.

256210 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #195 of 1846 🔗

Dear Lockdowners

Prof Carl Heneghan & Tom Jefferson
Landmark Danish study shows face masks have no significant effect
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-
There was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19 .

256212 TheBigman, 2, #196 of 1846 🔗

CHECK OUT THE BIDERMAN REPORT!
Specifically how it relates to communist coercion and its mirroring of the covid restrictions.

256216 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #197 of 1846 🔗

Dear Lockdowners

The great lockdown hypocrites
California’s hardline governor has not been practising what he preaches. Maybe politicians should stop preaching
BY DOUGLAS MURRAY
https://unherd.com/2020/11/the-great-lockdown-hypocrites/

256410 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #198 of 1846 🔗

Politicians can never stop preaching, preaching is in their DNA as is hypocrisy, which is why the non muggles take limited notice of them

256791 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #199 of 1846 🔗

Great article. It’s not only politicians but also slebs – too fond of preaching to us and tries too hard to disguise their contempt for us. Unfortunately the mask always slips.

257540 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #200 of 1846 🔗

Do as I say, not as I do.

257557 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #201 of 1846 🔗

Let’s make sure that California Gov Nuisance and his entourage self-isolate for 14 days when they return from Maui. In a padded cell.

256219 Tom Blackburn, 7, #202 of 1846 🔗
256222 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 8, #203 of 1846 🔗

As I have always said on here, if you don’t measure stuff properly with sufficient precision then you don’t actually know what you have.

Not like I’ve seen this for over 20 odd years.

The way this whole charade goes is that the government and advisors make claims as fact which then turn out to be bollocks. But the “fact” has been accepted so now you look stupid for questioning it.

256234 ▶▶ Will, replying to mhcp, 3, #204 of 1846 🔗

If a lie is told often enough it becomes the truth. The apotheosis of this being the “earlier/ harder lockdown” fallacy.

256228 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 4, #205 of 1846 🔗

Re: Cross contamination/shoddy safety protocols at UK testing labs – isn’t this how ’28 Days Later’ started?

256247 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 8, #206 of 1846 🔗

‘28 Days Later Or Less Following A Supposedly Positive PCR Result’ (Danny Boyle d’Frogs, 2020)

256230 steve_w, 12, #207 of 1846 🔗

infections still coming down. peaked on 1st Nov before lockdown

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

and we are heading further into winter

only explainable by herd immunity

256237 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 32, #208 of 1846 🔗

This is the most encouraging summary I have read for a long time. Nurses mobilising, students mobilising, and even MPs almost mobilising. ‘I smell blood in the water’.

256700 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, 5, #209 of 1846 🔗

🤞 . It’s the nurses that will be given the vaccine first so they probably know more than we do what a scam this is.

256240 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #210 of 1846 🔗

In 1 month, the govt had to borrow £36.1 billion to pay for lockdown

That would have saved 1.8 million life years if spent on the NHS instead

256331 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to steve_w, 7, #211 of 1846 🔗

Just think as to what good use that money might have been put if it had been simply divided out amongst the population of this country.

256336 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to RichardJames, 5, #212 of 1846 🔗

Yes some months back someone here worked out that all older ‘at risk’ people could have been given a holiday in the Caribbean instead, all expenses paid.

256348 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RichardJames, 2, #213 of 1846 🔗

they made a start by dividing it out amongst the testing companies

256248 Mars-in-Aries, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 1, #214 of 1846 🔗

Mike Yeadon comments several times in his article that SAGE must be reconstituted “properly”. But he is notebly silent on how that should be done.
Any ideas…?

256266 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 4, #215 of 1846 🔗

Drain the swamp

256294 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 3, #216 of 1846 🔗

I don’t know how individuals should be selected but surely ensuring there are virologists included would be a start, plus redressing the balance between various flavours of modellers and other specialisms.

256692 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #217 of 1846 🔗

But if they did that their scam would be over!

257243 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #218 of 1846 🔗

Why modellers? I haven’t come across any that do as well as any competent data analyst and a pencil. (When we get to late December, I’ll own up to my accuracy of projection compared with the Chuckle Brothers’ ‘exponential’ prediction in terms of deaths.)

256683 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 3, #219 of 1846 🔗

Sack the lot and hire some people who know what they are talking about (not ‘modelers’) and are not compromised by links to big pharma basically.

257574 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #220 of 1846 🔗

Good luck with that.

256802 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 1, #221 of 1846 🔗

Cage
SAGE

256249 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 27, #222 of 1846 🔗

Yet more scaremongering. This time…Supermarkets!!!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/supermarkets-most-common-place-catch-23038786

Now, I personally know someone who works in a major supermarket, she has worked throughout all this nonsense from the beginning & she has said that nobody from her work has caught it (& this has been from March onwards) .

the MSM are getting desperate now & peddling out any old shite to keep up the scaremongering & fear.

256265 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AnotherSceptic, 10, #223 of 1846 🔗

Same here, the staff at my Tesco Metro and large Co-Op are exactly the same as in March. None have succumbed to Covid and most shoppers will know similarly.

256270 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to AnotherSceptic, 13, #224 of 1846 🔗

FFS! The figures reported were only about where people said they had visited in the week before getting a positive test result. Of course lots of people are going to have been to the chuffing supermarket – I’m just amazed so many had managed to avoid it!

256275 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #225 of 1846 🔗

Hardly surprising. It’s currently about the only place we can go!

256326 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Charlie Blue, 18, #226 of 1846 🔗

It’s pavements that are spreading it. People who get covid have been shown to have walked on pavements. It turned me into a newt…

256363 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #227 of 1846 🔗

Pondlife is the way forward in the New Normal; gills for the virtuous

256617 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Sam Vimes, #228 of 1846 🔗

With Gussie Fink – Nottle as the owner..

257716 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #229 of 1846 🔗

It’s the pavements wot dunnit!

257762 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #230 of 1846 🔗

Did you get better?

257715 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #231 of 1846 🔗

i bet you that there’s an incredibly high correlation between pcr positives and people who brush their teeth. It’s the toothpaste wot dunnit! Even higher correlation with numbers of people who’ve been to the toilet within 24 hours. It’s the bog wot dunnit!

256271 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to AnotherSceptic, 28, #232 of 1846 🔗

The problem is glaring now. If supermarkets were the most common place to catch the Covid, then how come the rates were going down in the first lockdown when all we could basically do was go to the supermarket?

And when we did, we didn’t wear masks, have track and trace or do mass testing?

Logic is a bastard.

256305 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to mhcp, #233 of 1846 🔗

Agreed.

256373 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to mhcp, 8, #234 of 1846 🔗

Those masks are really working, aren’t they?!!

256536 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #235 of 1846 🔗

Only to those mask wearers who think they are protecting themselves.

256695 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #236 of 1846 🔗

The Expert on the Today Programme this morning claimed that masks and social distancing were the reason for flu almost entirely disappearing this year.

256770 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 4, #237 of 1846 🔗

So the flu virus is “killed” by face coverings and SD, but C virus is even cleverer and finds a way through a fc and can travel longer distances?

257721 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Silke David, 2, #238 of 1846 🔗

its a genius, that virus.

257720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 1, #239 of 1846 🔗

You can’t cure stupid. FFS

256273 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to AnotherSceptic, 17, #240 of 1846 🔗

I think this study is a bit like saying that everyone who was tested +ve had been to the toilet and so therefore going to the toilet gives you covid.
This is a ‘will of the wisp’ virus that drifts around, behaves randomly and seasonally and defies all attempts to pin it down. Here in the West Country the Health authorities talk about stopping the virus in its tracks as if it were a Panzer Tank division when in fact it operates more like the viet-cong and our efforts to ‘defeat’ it look to be doing as well as the USA did in that conflict.

256303 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #241 of 1846 🔗

Indeed, it’s a very clever virus, it can even tell the time. I say this because where I am, my area goes into el Presidente Sturgeon’s tier 4…at 6pm tonight.

256368 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #242 of 1846 🔗

Yet another stretch in the Covid close Confinement Facility, courtesy of the Dominatrix, who knows what’s best.

257722 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #243 of 1846 🔗

We must outwit the virus! Just like the PD dePiffle implores …..

257255 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #244 of 1846 🔗

A good parallel – the US lived to ever getting into a conflict that it couldn’t win and where it dramatically misunderstood its ‘enemy’.

256369 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #245 of 1846 🔗

If asked where they have been to catch it, the infected are clearly only going to admit to ‘permitted’ places and activities. They are not going to admit to the Saturday night house party with the neighbours. What a load of bollocks.

There is also a complete failure to distinguish between statistical correlation and causation.

256406 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AnotherSceptic, 15, #246 of 1846 🔗

They’re scrapping the bottom of the barrel aren’t they?

Having chatted to workers in my local supermarket, they’ve been pretty much unanimous in saying that no-one has been off sick since this shit show started and that no-one has caught the virus. Plus they’re unhappy with the mandatory muzzling and after a month of it, many have been claiming exemption.

Yet again more fake news from the desperate MSM.

256415 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #247 of 1846 🔗

Ditto, my younger son’s place of work: Wilco’s.

256530 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #248 of 1846 🔗

just been to Aldi. all the zombie customers are masked Chatted to usual staff who have been there all the way through. No one has been ill. except for the lad who had a bad mask rash.

256661 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, 6, #249 of 1846 🔗

I think that’s why many workers have been claiming exemption if they’ve had to be off due to developing rashes, headaches from wearing muzzles.

257264 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #250 of 1846 🔗

I think that has been the experience across the country – supermarket workers have not been particularly vulnerable to infection.

256610 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #251 of 1846 🔗

Same as our local Morrison’s, no one…

256254 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #252 of 1846 🔗

still no second wave in sweden! deaths running below 5 year average. must have a) herd immunity b) good immune systems from not being locked down

https://scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/preliminar-statistik-over-doda/

table 1

257270 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #253 of 1846 🔗

“second waves” were never based on any factual analysis of the general feature of the course of infections – as the CEBM showed in an early article.

256256 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #254 of 1846 🔗

Excellent update today. There’s a dark comedy twist in here, with the HSE stepping in to shame the government. You couldn’t write it.

256286 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #255 of 1846 🔗

But it looks as if the laboratory only received a small fine……..

256257 alw, replying to alw, 11, #256 of 1846 🔗

Interesting that Big Brother Watch applied to intervene in the Dolan Case.
Three weeks have passed since the hearing and whilst it is appreciated that there are complex issues to be considered, given the health, well being and economic future of this country are the most important issues at the moment what about a timely response? Justice delayed is justice denied.

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/2020/11/big-brother-watch-applied-for-permission-to-intervene-in-legal-challenge-r-dolan-and-others-v-secretary-of-state-for-health-and-social-care/

256262 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to alw, 8, #257 of 1846 🔗

Good spot, alw. I like to think that the delay means something good but I know better than to get my hopes up.

256260 Josephine K, replying to Josephine K, 58, #258 of 1846 🔗

LOOKING at the contracts awarded during this fake pandemic, it’s clear to me there is no government in Westminster, only a monstrous parasite leaching the financial blood of the country and syphoning it into it’s own pockets and those of spouses, friends and lovers, while keeping its unfortunate subjects cowed with a venomous mixture of coercion and propaganda.
We don’t need a vaccine we need an exterminator.

256282 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Josephine K, 16, #259 of 1846 🔗

Hopefully this will awaken even more folk to realise the UK also a one party state.

257586 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddy, 1, #260 of 1846 🔗

Make that a no party state.

256518 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Josephine K, 4, #261 of 1846 🔗

I’ve sent my MP a cut and paste article about this, I’m not expecting a reply as she’s fully onboard with this.

256639 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Josephine K, 6, #262 of 1846 🔗

It’s global. Every country is under occupation

257588 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 2, #263 of 1846 🔗

Time for The Resistance! Vive la Résistance!

257979 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to richard riewer, #264 of 1846 🔗

i”ll join !

256263 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 8, #265 of 1846 🔗

A good interview worth listening to with Prof Dolores Cahill 1 hr in. No need for any lockdowns, Coronavirus is only around Dec- April, Coronavirus is completely treatable and noone needs to die, masks are highly dangerous and basically what we have is tyranny.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-11-17T11_35_09-08_00

256516 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Suzyv, 2, #266 of 1846 🔗

I saw one of her video interviews back in April, it was she who made me a Sceptic.

256267 TJN, replying to TJN, 6, #267 of 1846 🔗

I find myself starting to fancy Lionel Schriver.

256311 ▶▶ chaos, replying to TJN, 4, #268 of 1846 🔗

I fancied Marina from Thunderbirds when I was 5.

256315 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 6, #269 of 1846 🔗

Marina was in Stingray . She could breathe underwater, but not speak. Whatever lights your candle!
I fancied Virgil Tracy.

256409 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 2, #270 of 1846 🔗

Anybody remember 4 feather falls?

256513 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #271 of 1846 🔗

Yes. Oops that’s embarrassing! 😅

256707 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #272 of 1846 🔗

I always thought Virgil was gay, or Homo as we said in those unenilightened days.

257597 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #273 of 1846 🔗

I fancied Nathalie Baye until she married Johnny Hallyday.

257772 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to annie, 1, #274 of 1846 🔗

I fancied Marina too. I was only six years old. Then I dumped her and gave myself to Catwoman in the Adam West Batman series.

256342 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TJN, 5, #275 of 1846 🔗

Nothing sexier than a sharp intellect and piercing eyes.
I’m off for a cold shower. 🙂

256914 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #276 of 1846 🔗

Yes, true. Dumb isn’t sexy.

256269 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 18, #277 of 1846 🔗

Here’s a well written case against lockdowns I randomly found. A slightly alternative look at this increasingly skewed view of death, using caribou herds as an example!

https://forecheck32.medium.com/caribou-and-coronavirus-why-the-lockdowns-are-fundamentally-anti-science-76cdeb15b086

If they were candid, many who now rail against the deaths of aged strangers would admit that they were not previously troubled by such deaths and seldom visited nursing homes. Many now expressing horror about Coronavirus deaths might until recently have said, or thought, that octogenarians had had a fair chance at life.

256366 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #278 of 1846 🔗

excellent down to earth article. 100%

256673 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #279 of 1846 🔗

Unendowed with wealth or pity,
Little birds with scarlet legs,
Sitting on their speckled eggs,
Eye each flu-infected city.

Altogether elsewhere, vast
Herds of reindeer move across
Miles and miles of golden moss,
Silently and very fast.

W H Auden
The Fall of Rome

256274 optocarol, replying to optocarol, 2, #280 of 1846 🔗
256622 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bella Donna, #282 of 1846 🔗

Very much doubt it sorry to say

256277 Cheshirecatslave, 7, #284 of 1846 🔗
256278 Julian, replying to Julian, 3, #285 of 1846 🔗

Someone posted something yesterday about protests in Sweden

Does anyone know what they were protesting about?

256280 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Julian, 7, #286 of 1846 🔗

Abba splitting up?

256620 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Eddy, 1, #287 of 1846 🔗

Doesn’t look like you’re being taken seriously here does it 🙂

256306 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Julian, 2, #288 of 1846 🔗
256521 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 2, #289 of 1846 🔗

The quality of meatballs in Ikea?

257600 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #290 of 1846 🔗

The demise of quality smorgasbord.

256934 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Julian, #291 of 1846 🔗

Spoke to my swedish friend. He says it is about two young men who raped and tortured a, young boy towho death. Itwas about the fact that out of 518 questions they were asked they repied ‘no comment’, to about 480 of them. Sorry can’t remember the rest as I had a lot to drink

257846 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Judy Watson, #292 of 1846 🔗

I believe they were “not of Swedish descent”.

256279 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 7, #293 of 1846 🔗

One wonders if the “vaccine” was ready all along?

256493 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Eddy, 2, #294 of 1846 🔗

That’s very possible, as this scamdemic seems to have been planned for a while.

256725 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eddy, 1, #295 of 1846 🔗

Not much point creating the problem if you’re not all ready to profit from the solution.
That’s what first puzzled me when I heard people asking if the covid was deliberate.

256281 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #296 of 1846 🔗

with 90% of the populations still susceptible (!) in Sweden and UK, I just cant work out why no second wave in Sweden and UK infections on the way down (before lockdown)

can anyone help with my maths?

256491 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 4, #297 of 1846 🔗

I read somewhere that viruses don’t have second waves, that’s not how they work, I go along with that view.

256616 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #298 of 1846 🔗

That’s what Ivor Cummins and Mike Yeadon say. They seem to know what they’re talking about.

256283 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #299 of 1846 🔗

Logic

Everyone who hasn’t had Coronavirus is a bastard for helping spread the infection but those who have contracted it are blameless victims that haven’t passed it to anyone else.

Makes sense 🙃

256340 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #300 of 1846 🔗

99% are infected by the madness.
0.04% are infected by the virus…

256284 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 15, #301 of 1846 🔗

My friend, who is normally quite open minded and liberal, messaged me last night in response to the latest 2 week lockdown coming to N Ireland…..she said ‘I’m trying to see the positive in this….it might save Christmas you know’.
I swear by almighty fuck!!!!!!

256287 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Janice21, 5, #302 of 1846 🔗

Jesus wept.

256292 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Janice21, 14, #303 of 1846 🔗

Stoicism in the face of adversity is often a positive quality, but it can lead to compliance. There’s a distinction that should be made between unavoidable suffering from causes that cannot be controlled or defeated (e.g. a hurricane) and suffering from causes that we can do something about – like a mad government.

It’s a balancing act – I am trying not to fall apart and wallow in self pity, but equally I will not try and persuade myself or pretend that I am happy.

I know a lot of people just trying to take the positives and hoping it will go away, not because they really believe in the lockdowns, but because they do not want to be “whingers”. We need to get those people to allow their anger to push them into action.

256345 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Julian, 15, #304 of 1846 🔗

I had a parcel delivered yesterday by a masked man. I said “Take your mask off so you can breath”, he did and then he told me that he liked my poster in the window. It is the one that says bollock to lockdown.
He said “All my friends know there is something funny going on now” Vaccine? No chance..
I told him to keep spreading the word. He will.
Small steps

256300 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Janice21, 6, #305 of 1846 🔗

Almost everyone will see the lie.. just takes time.

257782 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Janice21, #306 of 1846 🔗

I’ve lost faith in nearly everyone I know. Or thought I knew.

256285 Eddy, 2, #307 of 1846 🔗

Shame the police FORCE won’t be getting a pay rise.

256288 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 38, #308 of 1846 🔗

A good one for printing off for leaflets – pretty says it all
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Just emailed my MP (again) regarding there being no place for mandatory vaccines in a free society, quoting the Nuremberg Code and the following from a BMJ article.

Moderna’s own chief medical officer told the BMJ that the company’s trial lacks adequate statistical power to assess severe COVID-19 outcomes. That’s because hospital admissions and deaths from COVID-19 “are simply too uncommon in the population being studied for an effective vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences in a trial of 30,000 people. The same is true of its ability to save lives or prevent transmission: the trials are not designed to find out.” Bottom line: COVID-19 is too rare and too benign to permit analysis of exactly the kind of serious health outcomes that most Americans believe the vaccine will “cure.”

Vaccinating billions of people to prevent a disease with a 99% survival rate for people under 70 — all based on clinical trial efficacy analysis of less than 200 COVID-19 cases involving patients with coughs and unreliable PCR tests with significant false positive rates — is not the triumph of science. It’s corruption and it’s the tip of the iceberg.

256289 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 6, #309 of 1846 🔗

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This is the link

256312 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, #310 of 1846 🔗

Sorry, this extra image should have been deleted, it was supposed to be the link. Just to mention for clarity re the BMJ article from ‘the bottom line’ to the ‘tip of the iceberg’ are the author’s comments reporting on this article, not BMJ’.

256334 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Nsklent, 5, #311 of 1846 🔗

Who is your target for that leaflet? It is very good but is too wordy and scientific for most of the populace.

256375 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to steph, 1, #312 of 1846 🔗

I haven’t actually used it myself, but saw it and thought it might be of use to someone. Having said that, agree it is wordy, but I would guess using average scanning reading skills, a person of average reading skills would pick up on at least 4 out of 12 of those, the curiosity of some then leading to exploring other points, the more competent ‘deeper’ readers would on first scan interpret more.

257642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, #313 of 1846 🔗

Use one at a time.

256386 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to steph, 9, #314 of 1846 🔗

And the fact that a large proportion of the population is functionally illiterate is a major part of the problem.

256471 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #315 of 1846 🔗

Around 9 million to be more precise. Not to mention the extra 5-6 million who, whilst being ‘literate’, are technophobes.

256529 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Caroline Watson, 9, #316 of 1846 🔗

The average reading age of the UK population is 9 years old. That’s why they treat us like children.

257858 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Two-Six, #317 of 1846 🔗

I thought you were making that up so I researched further. You weren`t. I had a reading age of more than that when I was seven. I may need to have a little weep.

256609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Caroline Watson, #318 of 1846 🔗

Indeed

256628 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to steph, #319 of 1846 🔗

On UK Column they state that Govt. bodies etc, use cartoons and infantile language for the ‘ great unwashed’

256291 Stuart, 6, #320 of 1846 🔗

Trilateralist Starmer will keep Labour a lockdown party until hell or high water.

The CRG is as irrelevant as the ERG will be to prevent a post-Crashout return the European fold.

256295 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 31, #321 of 1846 🔗

I sat at my desk this morning and the first thing I read about was the suicide of a former colleague. He was 38, and left behind his wife and two-year-old daughter. This is becoming all too frequent, sadly.

256302 ▶▶ steph, replying to Andy C, 25, #322 of 1846 🔗

No you’re wrong Nadine Dorries says there is no suicide problem so you are imagining it. Vile cow.
Very sorry to hear about yet more collateral damage.

256313 ▶▶ annie, replying to Andy C, 15, #323 of 1846 🔗

So very sad.
However bad you feel, stay with us. Every life is precious. This will end.
By ‘life’ I mean every human life, not zombie unlife. WE are humanity, WE are life, WE are precious
This means YOU.

Heartfelt sympathy to your colleague’s family and friends.

256425 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andy C, 11, #324 of 1846 🔗

Very sorry to hear this. Condolences to his family.

Should send this to Nadine Dorries as she’s been denying that the lockdowns has been leading to suicide. If her inbox is flooded with incidents like this, that should shut her up.

256605 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #325 of 1846 🔗

Was thinking this morning if I were to write a suicide note it would say “Hancock, Johnson, Whitty and Vallance murdered me”

256719 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #326 of 1846 🔗

Actually would also apply if told I had a terminal illness that had been missed because of their withdrawal of our access to our health services

257960 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to CGL, #327 of 1846 🔗

You choose to leave for your own reasons, however they may be stated or left unsaid. Honour the life of another for that they lived even if the manner of their death leaves a heavy legacy that can affect families for generations.

It COULD be a deep learning in our time that the thing that is most dangerous is our reaction to the feared or hated belief.

Hancock, Johnson, Whitty and Vallance have chosen a living death, or devil’s pact. But this corruption has been long unfolding as a strategy of manipulation under masking denial, that for the most part others have also supported and in large part many still do.

Virtue masking is a way to seem to escape feeling the pain and conflict of a broken or hollow life. And now all the masking is deconstructing.

256451 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Andy C, 3, #328 of 1846 🔗

Sorry to hear this, I know a couple of similar stories myself.

Are you the DJ Andy C and if so can you please release Nightlife 7?

256648 ▶▶▶ Andy C, replying to PompeyJunglist, #329 of 1846 🔗

I’ve been asked that a couple of times, but I’m afraid not. 😛 That sort of music isn’t really my scene.

256297 Jim Binks, replying to Jim Binks, 17, #330 of 1846 🔗

“Don’t Kill Gran” What about the perverse situation of Gran watching her children and grandchildren die because the the government is happy for people to die of cancer etc to save NHS.

256343 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jim Binks, 24, #331 of 1846 🔗

And what about asking Gran what she wants, and trusting her to make her own decisions, rather than treating her as a daft old bag who doesn’t know what she wants and must be protected like a glorified pet?

256298 steph, replying to steph, 23, #332 of 1846 🔗

I’m feeling very down today. Every day we see more evidence that should have the brakes put on this without delay. But it’s water off a duck’s back.
What on earth is going’s to permeate this before it’s too late, if it isn’t already?
Most people are ignoring the lockdown around here when it suits then, but if you asked them they wouldn’t speak out against it.

256309 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steph, 10, #333 of 1846 🔗

Hang in there, Steph. There will be a critical mass of evidence and dissent that will make the difference, we just don’t know yet when we will reach it. Ch4 and BBC providing some criticism at long last.

256602 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #334 of 1846 🔗

Every day i think – “god that is dynamite – that will wake them up!”
But it doesn’t

256417 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to steph, 4, #335 of 1846 🔗

Don’t despair. Look at your own words – they contain a cause for hope.
All those people who ignore the lockdown are making their own risk/benefit judgments. They might not have spoken out yet, but they will – something will push them.
They are the dam that is approaching bursting point.

256465 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steph, 7, #336 of 1846 🔗

I too felt depressed this morning I had to force myself to get up and dress then I think to myself I refuse to wither away, I want to see the b’stards get what they deserve.

257987 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Bella Donna, #337 of 1846 🔗

Is vengeance a reason for living?
I think it is the underlying problem.
All feelings are part of our human experience.
I refuse to be framed in someone else’s manipulative deceit.
I live my own choices, regardless the conditions.
And yes the territory can be challenging, but I choose a similar way to what I saw in this video on
Having a blah day
https://youtu.be/5cJMuLkNME0

What we resist, persists.
What we choose not to use fades from non use.

Why does propaganda ‘work’?
Because it elicits emotional reactive investments that then run as an invested identity.
We have our own inner Wormtongue.

We can learn a lot about our own mind by looking on the world with curiosity, and about what is going on beneath appearances by looking from a deeper compassionate sense of our own trickster mind and its evasive masking deceits.
If we are not so fixated in reaction as to have no free attention to wonder.

My wish for how this should be or should never become, is not underwritten by reality. Others are still under the illusion that they can make it be what the think they want. In time we may recognise the grace of being saved from our illusions, but not while looking back in pain of loss and grievance.

Everyone deserves their truth, but if that is seen as fear of damnation, they will make a mask over and defend it as their very life. But that cannot be the truth of their life. The centralised control running behind this is also a kind of tower of babel – because communication – even consciousness is breaking down.
Finding where we are grounded may be releasing much of our ‘thinking’. perhaps to learn to thinks as a way of expanding and extending that quality of being that we know when we are centred – perhaps from being in nature, or in something we have joy in being.

256859 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steph, 1, #338 of 1846 🔗

I echo what the others here are saying.

You’ve pretty much articulated why the tide is slowly turning.

We’ll get there. In the meantime, stay strong.

257836 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #339 of 1846 🔗

Message to Matt Cockup: go back to kindergarten and give it another shot. Everyone deserves a second chance.

256301 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 16, #340 of 1846 🔗

We re definitely into Orwellian territory here in Wales when the police are now involved when people are posting leaflets asking people to read evidence from independent experts.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-55004533

256307 ▶▶ annie, replying to Schrodinger, 15, #341 of 1846 🔗

Plaid Cymru’s Helen Mary Jones, MS for Mid and West Wales, said: “Freedom of speech is a very important principle, but sharing outright lies with people and frightening people? Freedom of speech is something that you should use responsibly.”

Pots and kettles.

BTW, MS means member of the Welsh Supreme Soviet.

256318 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to annie, 9, #342 of 1846 🔗

‘Sharing outright lies’… I assume she is referring to the government and Twitty et al.

256325 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Nsklent, 4, #343 of 1846 🔗

And they have inserted the video of the mother-shaming son for extra emotional punch …. so utterly disheartening when we are up against this.

256327 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Nsklent, 1, #344 of 1846 🔗

and “frightening people too”.

256400 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to annie, 4, #345 of 1846 🔗

A comment that should be used against her when all of this shit is over.

256487 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, 3, #346 of 1846 🔗

“Plaid Cymru’s Helen Mary Jones, MS for Mid and West Wales, said: “Freedom of speech is a very important principle, but sharing outright lies with people and frightening people?”

Let’s just pause here and contemplate:

Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures
22nd March 2020

The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

256324 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Schrodinger, 18, #347 of 1846 🔗

This is so disturbing. I’m waiting for delivery today of 250 Back to Normal cards to distribute.
I can see it now in the local paper ‘ Eastbourne Gran caught by police out late at night leafleting dangerous propaganda.’ ……’

256420 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Marialta, #348 of 1846 🔗

How/where do you distribute? Through doors or stuck up around the parish on shop windows, lampposts?

256541 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Marialta, 4, #349 of 1846 🔗

Me and mrs 2-6 got accused of committing manslaughter in our local Arsebook forum for handing out anti covid bollocks leaflets back in March.

256304 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #350 of 1846 🔗

Carl Heneghan says:
You’ve got to use verified data.

But the data coming out of the not-fit-for-purpose lab was ‘verified’ – until it wasn’t. In truth, it’s only us who worry about the cross-contamination and so on. The ‘data’ already on the books will not be changed because of this, and after a few perfunctory improvements the labs will continue to churn out their garbage numbers.

‘You can’t deny the data’ said one of our pro-lockdown contributors a while ago. But yes you can! All those people who think they are seeing the truth in ‘data’ are deluding themselves just as surely as those they would criticise for believing in anecdotes. The ‘data’ that is produced by contaminated labs, or public health bodies with an incentive to label every death or symptom as Covid, is really just ‘laundered’ anecdotes. Just because numbers are neatly tabulated on a spreadsheet doesn’t mean they’re the truth.

By pinning everything on ‘data’, you become hostage to it. The above description of contamination in labs is a good example of how the ‘data’ can turn bad on you, but it is not the only example. And I suggest that even though existing data can be argued to support an anti-lockdown case, the truth may have been far more clear cut all along.

Those who see Gompertz Curves everywhere they look need to ask themselves whether they are really just seeing exponential growth and decay in lies, contamination, financial incentives and so on, rather than epidemiological processes. Levitt last week began saying he was feeling worried about trends he was seeing in the ‘data’, but this is the corner he has now painted himself into. Maybe even the Swedes are encountering this problem. They need to rise above ‘data’ and simply argue their case on rational grounds.

256317 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #351 of 1846 🔗

“The data… is really just ‘laundered’ anecdotes.”

— pretty good, that.

Essentially, then, we return to: there’s just people, saying and doing and imagining stuff, with nothing very solid behind any of it. People and their thoughts is where it all starts and stops.

This is the normal state of affairs, but usually it doesn’t matter much because the alignments between claims, actions and reality are never usually put to the test by circumstances before things naturally move on (but they all are right now).

256351 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Arkansas, 11, #352 of 1846 🔗

Steve Baker on Planet Normal gave a perfect example of this yesterday.

He referred to data, and also the possibility that the labs were churning out garbage, but he then did that thing of saying “But you can’t gainsay the doctors on the front line who tell me that Covid patients present with a unique set of symptoms, and they are seeing these patients being admitted”. i.e. an anecdote. It’s just a variant on the tried-and-tested ‘Long Covid’ anecdote that is wheeled out to circumvent awkward scientific arguments. In this case, Steve is wheeling it out against himself to make himself less wholeheartedly anti-lockdown. You don’t have any faith he isn’t going to ‘flip’ at any time.

I don’t know what can be done about this. Wherever you turn, you can see foundation-less, free-floating spirals of self-reinforcing ‘argument’, data, and anecdotes that together are portrayed as ‘scientific’ and ’empirical’. Really, anything is now possible, such as lockdown never being lifted, mandatory vaccines, martial law (a good job the military has just been given a massive injection of cash) and so on.

The highest form of argument is that practised by Lord Sumption, but because it isn’t pretending to be ‘science’, it is ignored by most people. People need to realise that the ‘science’ they think they are following is just dressed-up politics.

256407 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #353 of 1846 🔗

There are many whom you can’t trust on flipping in some way because potentially almost everyone’s position, be they pro- or anti-lockdown, is essentially a “castle in the sky”. Free-floating spirals, as you say.

Their position and argument “castles” are internally coherent — but only so long as they stick to certain subsets of rooms and don’t look out of the windows or notice the other doors in the corridors. If they do, though, they just end up in another subset of rooms or another “castle”. There is no firm grounding to any of it; they just jump from one imaginary telling to the next never being aware of the contextual “landscape” it’s all hovering above.

What they lack, perhaps, is a pre-existing philosophical position, be that regarding rights, or the nature of power, or the position of science and information in society. With no worldview or “meta” platform underpinning them, it really doesn’t matter what position they adopt because it is fundamentally lacking in context, and thus mooring.

Your example of Lord Sumption is perfect: he has first and foremost a philosophical position, I’d say, based on a deep consideration of humanity and justice, and that is the lens through which he looks at everything and articulates his understanding, at several steps back from the whirlwind of “facts”. Everything follows from that. Everyone else is “too late” in their thinking.

A major problem is, I think, that many people cannot (or at least have not yet reached the point where they can) even conceive of having such a “meta” position that is “before” any particular conceptual viewpoint, any specific angle on things. Without such a principle-driven independent perspective, they are just swept from one narrowly-focused mini-story to the next. Even if you do have such a position, you have to keep consciously returning to it between bouts of investigation and contemplation.

As you say, the “science” is dressed-up politics. But it is also perhaps dressed-up passions, insecurities and obsessions, which makes counteracting it with more “data” an even more unlikely prospect.

256350 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #354 of 1846 🔗

have you got a link to worried Levitt? everything seems to look ok. no 2nd wave in sweden etc

of course now in sweden, covid 19 is now coronavirus number 5 and it will follow trajectories of the other 4. so if you obsess bout measuring it you will find it. deaths still under 5 year average in sweden

256356 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #355 of 1846 🔗

“They need to rise above ‘data’ and simply argue their case on rational grounds.”

I agree with this. I think the premise should be ‘we aren’t locking people down, but what can we do?’ and just do the normal stuff they do every year

256308 Danny, replying to Danny, 66, #356 of 1846 🔗

What to do when all evidence exposing this lunacy is plainly ignored by the public?
Genuine question. First we pointed out facts, mortality rates, comparisons to seasonal flus, risk comparisons to mundane actions like driving etc. Then we exposed the death toll from lockdown of hospitals. The psychological effect on families, the loss of education for children. Then it was the hit that the economy will take. This week alone has seen masks debunked (again) and now even the BBC exposes Sage as relying on Wikipedia.
Yet NOTHING changes!

256332 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Danny, 11, #357 of 1846 🔗

I am with you, feel the same despair now.

256341 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Danny, 24, #358 of 1846 🔗

I’m finding people fall into 3 categories.

The biggest by far are the sheeple or NPC’s; blissfully ignorant of any contrary information and secure in the knowledge that the government and authority figures have their best interests at heart. Have a full blown chicken-licken syndrome and are fearful of everyone!

Second are the ostriches; concerned that things may not quite be as they seem but reluctant to burst their existing bubble of furlough happiness, so endeavour to ignore anything negative and believe they no less than SAGE so shouldn’t question. These people believe anyone complaining should just shut up and stop complaining…its ruining the whole experience!

Third are borderline sceptics but who are content to go along with things so that they don’t rock the boat. These people probably associate with a lot of people from the first two categories. They tend to question the logic of things but don’t often dig any deeper, dismissing things as conspiracy theories. They aren’t quite ready to be tipped over the edge.

My take on this is the group to target are the ostriches. Many of these just need exposure to something which directly effects them, such as loss of job, furlough etc. Things are too easy for this group and they often have low levels of empathy so they can pretend everything is ok if they aren’t effected. They have a blinkered view currently as they don’t need to look outside their own bubble…a bit like walking by a beggar and pretending you can’t smell them. Snap them out of this and you gain both groups 2 and 3.

First group have been lost for good, don’t waste your effort as many of these people have now been fully indoctrinated. I recon these people will wear masks for ever more now (just to be safe).

256550 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mike, 4, #359 of 1846 🔗

Well said. I’ve always said that the ostriches need to be hit in the pocket and stomach because that’s one way we can get them to wake up. Many of them are also millenials having swallowed the bollocks about “people before profit” and think that mummy & daddy can bail them out when they lose their jobs. It will be interesting to think what will happen to them if their parents can’t.

With regard to the borderline sceptics, I would also add those who are constrained by their work. My husband falls into this category and a lot of this is because of where he works, something to do with osteopathy. I suspect that they’re in a bind like many other institutions and won’t do anything to challenge the prevailing orthodoxy. That is unless, something goes horribly wrong and they’re sued due to consequences from their “covid safe” policies.

256580 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mike, 2, #360 of 1846 🔗

I agree but I just dont have the mental resources to deal with any conflict now.

256723 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Mike, 5, #361 of 1846 🔗

There’s a fourth category. The essential workers who have worked all through this, got slated from the furlough and retired crowd for wanting a holiday and cannot afford to stand up and be counted. They’re jobs are at risk if they get anything other than a parking ticket.

I know this because my family are in this situation. They don’t believe the lies but they are working for all the idiots that do.

So the thing that is keeping them sane is by ignoring the situation that they find themselves in.

257382 ▶▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Mike, 1, #362 of 1846 🔗

The first group watch the BBC exclusively. I have experience of this, good friends of ours we met recent,y for first time since this started were completely bought into the fear, masks, lockdowns etc. Everything I said was dismissed as a dangerous conspiracist. They on,y ever watch the BBC.

256940 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Danny, 3, #363 of 1846 🔗

It will only change when we make it change. We’re pissing into the wind on the internet. Get to the protests.

257237 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Danny, 2, #364 of 1846 🔗

The frightened huddled Covid masses are now impervious to facts. Job well done Boris and his corrupt cronies.

257354 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Danny, 4, #365 of 1846 🔗

Nothing changes because it’s all about fortunes to be made from vaccines for Big Pharma, SAGE members, Vallance, Sunak and others with shareholding’s in Big Pharma companies. The virus is disappearing and the vaccines aren’t ready, so the pretence has to continue. It’s a criminal deception and there must be prosecutions.

256310 Stuart, 16, #366 of 1846 🔗

Wankers, Bodgers, Nochance and Shitty are dreaming up a New Year surprise – a Lockdown III with knobs on.

256320 Danny, replying to Danny, 38, #367 of 1846 🔗

By the way, I turned on the breakfast TV today before work, just out of interest as I usually avoid it like the plague but I am acutely aware that for many, it is their sole access to news at the moment, members of my family included.
BBC had a story about people being selfish in wanting Christmas, explained by a jovial young scientist. Switching over to good morning Britain was even worse.
One of the anchors was mid monologue about how Christmas is a time for families and seeing her grandma. Ah, I thought, a contrary narrative?
No.
She then launched into a diatribe about saving lives and not wanting to bury her grandma after we have all worked so hard to stay safe.
I switched off at that point, and whilst we can laugh at this or mock those that lap it up, they are the majority, and that is truly chilling.

256330 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Danny, 23, #368 of 1846 🔗

Yeah, I turned off BBC when they had Pat Sharpe on to explain that the run for Christmas Number One was starting early this year as “People need some joy”. Many need cancer treatments as well you pathetic bunch.

256346 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Danny, 8, #369 of 1846 🔗

Exactly the same on BBC R4 Today Programme this morning and yesterday.
They don’t dare cancel Xmas but are lining us up for at least 25 days further incarceration and if any grannies die in January February it will all be Our Fault.

256543 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 7, #370 of 1846 🔗

Furlough runs until March.Follow the money.Lockdown is certain after Christmas.We are not even out of this one and they are softening us for the next one.This only ends when enough people say it does.

256438 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Danny, 7, #371 of 1846 🔗

The best present you can give yourself is stop paying the licence fee and stop watching ‘live’ TV. Without doubt its the best thing we’ve done.

256563 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Danny, 8, #372 of 1846 🔗

The world of covidianism is literally another world. I am an alien.

256322 LS99, 1, #373 of 1846 🔗

With reference to the woke gobbledegook section above. Is this just another way that the powers that be divide and rule us?

256323 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #374 of 1846 🔗

PCR needs to be thrown out now! How many more times does it need to be shown that not only is the test too sensitive but that the whole idea of using it to mass screen was never going to work. The amount of resources thrown at it when we could have been boosting NHS resource where needed.

Also on the Woke Gobbledygook, I had the very same training manual sent around my work place recently. It’s a large consulting company. The first line in the document read “Racism is a white problem, where do we go from here?”. I never read any further.

Coming from a community where there were daily murders and regular bombings, I don’t think being white helped.

256394 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #375 of 1846 🔗

That’s appalling.

256328 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #376 of 1846 🔗

Up to 18 November 2020, there had been 37,172,632 virus tests conducted in the UK. See: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing .
It would be interesting to know how quite how many of the 37 million fully met the ‘Laboratory biosafety guidance related to coronavirus disease’ requirements:
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/laboratory-biosafety-guidance-related-to-coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)

256431 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #377 of 1846 🔗

Knowing how this government operates, I’m not hopeful any were done according to laboratory regs. Its appalling what they have been allowed to get away with and I hope they’ll get their Judgement Day sooner rather than later.

256646 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #378 of 1846 🔗

And the cost?

256329 annie, 14, #379 of 1846 🔗

A little neighbourly verse, for zombies:

When I needed a neighbour, were you there, were you there?
When I needed a neighbour, were you there?
I’m a cowardly zombie and your needs don’t matter,
I don’t care.

When a friend comes to help me, are you there, are you there?
When a friend comes to help me, are you there?
I’m a snitch, I am spiteful, and I long to dob you,
I’ll be there .

256344 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #380 of 1846 🔗

If a window of a few days is allowed for visiting family at Christmas, the roads will be utter carnage. We have decided against it for that reason. The effects of that carnage on the NHS, the emergency services and obviously the families involved will be far greater than any virus.

If the government is panicking for that reason, it is probably right to do so, but would have far more credibility, and attract greater respect, if it just came out and said it.

256379 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Caroline Watson, 15, #381 of 1846 🔗

Every single aspect of the contemporary Christmas is hollow and meaningless to me this year. The stupid jingles, the buy-buy-buy, the whole thing has been exposed as a thoroughly vacuous celebration. When you think about it, it’s pretty repulsive that (depending on your religious preference) a commemoration of the ultimate sacrifice made from love, or a winter festival hoping for the return of the light, should be reduced to the point where the strongest point of national seasonal focus is on the John Lewis advert.

The spectacle of people staring up at nanny government, big-eyed, hoping for a Christmas pass is pathetic. Stuff the government, and stuff Christmas. See your families and loved ones* any day of the year. Give gifts when you like, for no reason except for love and for fun.

(*Whether those are the same people or not)

256716 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #382 of 1846 🔗

And, sadly, stuff the Church at Christmas.
Socially distsnced, muzzled midnight mass with no carols, in a church festooned with police tape, before the scared-witless elderly (which is almost all of them) crawl back to their miserable, solitary homes.
Blasphemy against Jesus Christ.

258044 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #383 of 1846 🔗

Send Boris & co some #$%#$%@#$% Christmas cards.

256537 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #384 of 1846 🔗

Better have a lockdown for every bank holiday weekend to protect the NHS. Perhaps we should all just commit suicide now to protect the NHS?

Surely if we had to have a referendum to see if we should leave the EU we should have a referendum to see if we want to sacrifice every last part of our liberty and prosperity(which includes access to health care) to protect the NHS.

What is the point of the NHS if we dont have access to health care anyway?

256573 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #385 of 1846 🔗

I actually wonder whether mass suicide is what they hope for now. Would sort a lot of problems for them

256575 ▶▶ davews, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #386 of 1846 🔗

Not to mention most train companies have compulsory seat reservation with very few seats due to ‘social distancing’ rules. Last year I went to my brother’s by train and they were jammed packed. That simply won’t work this year. Have already agreed with my brother that I won’t be going there this year so a Christmas by myself. I will miss the special Church services more than anything (OK, Zoom, but that is not the same). I don’t care much for the commercialised Xmas these days and would be quite happy for that not to happen.

256752 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to davews, #387 of 1846 🔗

Good point. In previous years ‘boarding controls’ (limiting standing passengers even if they have a ticket) have been used on xmas eve etc, which causes enough anxiety, this is going to be off the scale.

256349 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #388 of 1846 🔗

Kier Starmer now on Desert Island Discs, I wonder if he’ll be asked why he’s colluding with the Tories?

256353 ▶▶ IanE, replying to karenovirus, 1, #389 of 1846 🔗

Shouldn’t that be the other way around?

256355 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 1, #390 of 1846 🔗

“Road to Nowhere”

256412 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #391 of 1846 🔗

“road to hell” more like

256392 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to karenovirus, 2, #392 of 1846 🔗

Putting Starmer (and most MPs) on a small desert island sounds attractive!

256466 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #393 of 1846 🔗

Bikini Atol before a nuclear test would be ideal.

256418 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 2, #394 of 1846 🔗

Bozo and Starmer are cut from the same cloth.

256706 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #395 of 1846 🔗

Yes, I think the technical term for it is ‘shoddy’.

256568 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 1, #396 of 1846 🔗

The re-branding of Starmer. I listened for about 10 mins until I couldn’t stand it any longer. Kier Starmer. At least he isn’t anti-semetic.

256641 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Two-Six, #397 of 1846 🔗

Starmer = Trilateral Commission = Rockefeller

256354 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #398 of 1846 🔗

Anniversary of the Nuremburg trials today.

256361 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan, 8, #399 of 1846 🔗

apt

The UK and Russia just wanted to shoot them. The US decided to invent a new law and punish the defendants for breaching it several years earlier.

either approach suits me for the covid trials

256413 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 2, #400 of 1846 🔗

I prefer the first option, they deserve it

256704 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, #401 of 1846 🔗

Note every detail, for use when the new trials are set up.

256357 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #402 of 1846 🔗

So she’s delighted to learn that indeed they cannot leave the house to walk the dog or to exercise.

~Tom Woods weekly newsletter ~ https://tomwoods.com

256564 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 1, #403 of 1846 🔗

Oh someone stick a Pfizer vax in that stupid woman

256882 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to CGL, 2, #404 of 1846 🔗

At least 17 at the same time!

256358 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 30, #405 of 1846 🔗

I have now had enough.

There is ample evidence that the current strategies are wrong. But everything is ignored. Nothing changes. The same trigger phrases are shouted out, relentlessly, Mao style. The public are brainwashed and recruited to self-police. All opposition is defamed, and now criminalized. In a sense it no longer matters if this a conspiracy or not. It is certainly a malignancy in government and the establishment.

Some of you commenting below are arguing that a critical mass will eventually be achieved as enough people realize what’s going on. I hope so. Because things need to change radically. The only positive I can see is the students’ “Unlock” initiative. Because students are one of the few groups of people who are, historically, when push comes to shove, prepared to get out on the streets and confront. And that’s what now needs to happen.

256404 ▶▶ R G, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #406 of 1846 🔗

This doesn’t end now until vaccines are being rolled out, so likely the end of Spring, which is what I thought would happen when they didn’t open up over the summer. In that light I assume an attitude of stoicism and wait for it to pass because the argument has been lost with the population at large.

256359 Schrodinger, 4, #407 of 1846 🔗

For some light relief do watch this ‘Christmas Video’ from a small bemused Irish pub.

It really is class and very funny

https://youtu.be/7wp4hezdonA

256364 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #408 of 1846 🔗

The Monthly Mortality Analysis, England and Wales: October 2020 has been released by the ONS
https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwalesoctober2020

This publication is interesting as it provides age standardised mortality rates that effectively adjust for the population size and age profile. So much better for comparing with previous years. The 5 year averages that are normally used don’t make these important adjustments and so tend to overstate excess mortality because of population increase and population aging.

My initial calculations suggest that for England in October all cause mortality was 1.5% higher than the 5 year average (for October 2015 to 2019 inclusive of both) and 1.6% higher than the 5 year average for September.

So given half of all years will be above the average and half below, in England we are running at a completely normal all cause mortality rate.

So when we hear pro lockdowners claim there is currently excess mortality, we don’t even need to allow for the deaths caused by lockdown, for example the excess non-covid home deaths, albeit these exist, to show this isn’t really the case. The raw figures seem to show this even before we allow for the excess home deaths.

For Wales I calculate the age standardised mortality is 5% higher for October and 1% higher for September so relatively a bit higher than England for October.

On a technical point, can anyone confirm that the age standardised population that figures are adjusted to has been the same from 2015 to 2020 and so this comparison is valid?

256382 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #409 of 1846 🔗

And here is the graph for England from the publication itself in figure 8

256397 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Freecumbria, #410 of 1846 🔗

Is there a section whch provides age standardised covid deaths across regions in England. I had it a while back but can’t find it now. Can’t see it in your link above either.

256469 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #411 of 1846 🔗

Don’t think I’ve seen age standardised regional mortality rates.

But there will be regional registered October death numbers (unstandardised) in a publication called ‘Deaths registered by area in England and Wales, monthly provisional: October 2020’ due out on 26th November.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/deathsregisteredbyareainenglandandwalesmonthlyprovisionaloctober2020

256631 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, #412 of 1846 🔗

I’ve done my own standardisation to population, and current all-cause mortality is in the quarter century mean/median range – i.e absolutely no sign of a significant deviation from the norm. I ignore using the term ‘excess deaths’ – it’s actually too imprecise and arbitrary.

256365 petgor, 3, #413 of 1846 🔗

If this is new to you then please listen and circulate:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/covid-fraud/

256370 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #414 of 1846 🔗

NEW PODCAST OUT NOW!
We talk about the Heneghan/Jefferson plan, PCR cocks ups, Vaccines and MUCH MORE!

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

256371 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 82, #415 of 1846 🔗

My local veterans association has (finally!) came out against the lockdowns, etc.

They are knocking on all known ex-forces doors.

Two knocked my door yesterday, short version: ‘Will you support us?’, ‘If yes, get your kit ready & we’ll be in touch.’

So they want us in our uniforms.

I dunno what the plan is but I get the impression that there’s going to be a LOT of door knocking coming up.

256380 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Arnie, 20, #416 of 1846 🔗

That sounds promising. I hope they’re recent veterans!

256511 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 29, #417 of 1846 🔗

But also older veterans would be a good counterbalance to the “don’t kill granny ” propaganda. “Grandads for freedom” instead. It would be great to have older people marching ,saying we want you to have freedom, don’t lockdown for us.

256562 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #418 of 1846 🔗

True

256395 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Arnie, 16, #419 of 1846 🔗

I’d love to see a mass veterans bikers gathering, say, outside parliament.

256423 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to thinkaboutit, 17, #420 of 1846 🔗

I miss Biker

256558 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 4, #421 of 1846 🔗

I thought that yesterday – a shame he went.

256985 ▶▶▶▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to CGL, #422 of 1846 🔗

Went where?

257771 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to JoeBlogg, #423 of 1846 🔗

Said he’d been moderated I think, and left the site

257821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to CGL, 1, #424 of 1846 🔗

The last Biker post I saw praised Prince Andrew at the expense of the other royals and commented favourably on Andrew’s alleged fondness for youngish girls – my take on it was that Biker was deliberately trying to shock people, not necessarily that he meant what he said.

257974 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Edward, #425 of 1846 🔗

Must have learned that from Whitty & Valance.

257481 ▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Sarigan, #426 of 1846 🔗

Me too – and matt – haven’t seen any comments from him for a while.

257878 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Keen Cook, 2, #427 of 1846 🔗

Is Farinances still about?

256488 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Arnie, 7, #428 of 1846 🔗

Governments around the western world have treated their veterans with contempt. I think they could come to regret this.

257845 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Arnie, 2, #429 of 1846 🔗

That sounds very promising. I wonder if that’s happening in other parts of the country?

257970 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Arnie, 1, #430 of 1846 🔗

You sure it’s that way round? If it is, picketing (peacefully) the local plod’s houses will do the trick. No plod, no compliance.

256378 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #431 of 1846 🔗

The mighty Ian Brown has written a letter in reply. Worthwhile reading and passing on.

https://twitter.com/ianbrown/status/1329195482405605383?s=20

256387 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 3, #432 of 1846 🔗

It truly is – stonking.

256757 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 2, #433 of 1846 🔗

The last paragraph worth sharing on its own

256383 ChrisM, 3, #434 of 1846 🔗

Stay positive everybody, public sector pay freezes are the beginning of the end for this charade. Unions won’t continue to support (and push for) lockdown if it becomes clear it’ll hit their members. Let’s see how keen the police are to clamp down on protests against the thing causing them pain.

256384 Cecil B, 6, #435 of 1846 🔗

I have managed to obtain an advance copy this years Queens Christmas speech

‘Dear customers, this year has been a covid horribilis

It is important especially at this time of year we draw together in a spirit of mutual support

At the end of the day you voted for the feckers so you only have yourselves to blame

When the feckers stole from you on an industrial scale you voted them back in

When the feckers ignored the referendum for three years you voted them back in

Even though you have seen your local smarmy, smug MP on television lying through their teeth and never answering a question you voted them back in

It was you not me that failed to educate your children to the point where they could think critically

It is you that sits on a couch on a Saturday night waiting for a bucket of lard to be delivered

It is you that consumes said bucket of lard whilst watching a bunch of nobodies comment on a bunch of dancing nobodies, go to bed, and wake up the next day fulfilled

So it is hardly my fault that your turkey is sitting in a shipping container off Felixistowe

It’s not my fault a pint of beer will cost £48.50 next year

Fecking get on with it and stop moaning’

256385 NickR, 4, #436 of 1846 🔗

Pin the tail on the donkey.
I thought this might amuse people. It could be the first in a series.
Without cheating see if you can guess from the chart below when masks were introduced.

256393 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #438 of 1846 🔗

Let’s not be the losers given all the vaccine hype

Amidst the buzz of announcements of efficacy of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, we aim this week to give you a reality check. With a significant proportion of the public being unconditionally accepting of a vaccine, the more discerning among us need more than advertising claims to make informed decisions about our health. So we put these two vaccines through the ringer of our 10 criteria vaccine transparency manifesto and expose the gaping deficiencies of information and data.

..

Act now!
Getting this information out is something we can’t afford to delay.

Four important reasons for your need to act quickly – ideally this week or next – are:

  1. Patients including the elderly and frontline healthcare workers are already being recruited for trials. Subjects, trialists and regulatory authorities need to make sure all relevant data are put in the public domain so it can be evaluated independently
  2. The participants in these trials are acting as guinea pigs for the public. They are going in blind, with no information on the safety profile of the experimental vaccines. Vaccines for RNA viruses like SARS-CoV-2 using the kinds of technologies employed by the frontrunners have never been created before at scale. Any safety issue found in one study needs to be communicated as quickly as possible to those involved with other trials. This is an ethical imperative
  3. Leading vaccine scientists like Dr Shino Jiang have issued warnings , saying in March 2020 in the prestigious journal Nature , “ My worry is that this could mean a vaccine is administered before its efficacy and safety have been fully evaluated in animal models or clinical trials ”. Governments, health authorities and vaccine developers don’t appear to be listening so the public and onside politicians must make them hear
  4. Vaccine development is happening at such a rapid rate – there is a genuine vaccine race ongoing with over 100 contenders vying to win the prize: sign off by the World Health Organization, and roll-out following deals with the largest vaccine companies in the world. There may be different vaccines released in different countries, but there’s only room for a few. These vaccine developers must know sooner rather than later that the public around the world will not accept the withholding of data and information.

If vaccine makers and governments want the public to trust their vaccines, they must understand that transparency is a necessity , not an option. Please share widely. Thank you.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/could-we-be-the-losers-in-the-vaccine-race/

256396 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #439 of 1846 🔗

Don’t blame us for asking
Seen in the context of just how much information we don’t know or have at this stage, it’s not clear to us why those of us who are asking for more information about the current crop of covid vaccines under development are so marginalised and ridiculed. We’re simply exercising our right to informed consent . [NHS Consent to Treatment]

Consent to treatment means a person must give permission before they receive any type of medical treatment, test or examination.

This must be done on the basis of an explanation by a clinician.

Consent from a patient is needed regardless of the procedure, whether it’s a physical examination, organ donation or something else.

The principle of consent is an important part of medical ethics and international human rights law.

.

informed – the person must be given all of the information about what the treatment involves, including the benefits and risks, whether there are reasonable alternative treatments, and what will happen if treatment does not go ahead

256594 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, #440 of 1846 🔗

I think these are minimum requirements.

… and there is too little emphasis on the timescale needed for credible comprehensive testing, and the fact that there is no provision in international law that implies an opt-out from the basic requirement for consent by ‘due democratic process’. It’s a red line.

256398 Caramel, 1, #441 of 1846 🔗

This isn’t my usual style of writing that I read but the bluntness is refreshing.

http://asenseofplacemagazine.com/jacinda-justin-joe-boris-and-scmo-a-busted-flush-for-the-anglosphere/

256402 Victoria, #442 of 1846 🔗

The UK Government’s Vaccine Taskforce: strategy for protecting the UK and the world
 Kate Bingham; 27 October 2020

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32175-9/fulltext

256408 petgor, replying to petgor, 2, #444 of 1846 🔗

I am trying to create a list of what I would politely call a list of anomalies connected to this governments and its advisers various pronouncements. A better word than anomalies would be ‘nonsense’, but it is enough to list them. Please do add to the list so that I can try to bring the list to the attention of our more skeptical politicians:

1. Lockdown. In a population of 70 million people (yes, I know the usually quoted figure is 68 million, but we know better!), it can never be the case that we/they will all cooperate. So, the only effective lockdown will be 24 hour curfew for say a month, with the streets being patrolled by the army and by the police. Ok, don’t lets given the government any ideas, though I am sure that they have considered that one.

2. Rules for leaving your home. It is ok to travel to work even though you have no idea with whom you are mixing with on public transport yet you can only visit others in your ‘support bubble’.

3. Testing. What’s the point when, if you test negative at the point of the test, you could easily become infected immediately thereafter. Obviously, if you test positive after exhibiting symptoms then it is a useful aid to recovery. The only way in which testing would work is for the test to take place continuously 24/7.

4. Exemptions are a part of the governments solution to the Covid problem, yet increasing numbers of business are exhibiting notices with wording such as “no mask, no entry”. If masks are so essential then remove the right to claim exemptions.

5. You can sleep with your wife but you cannot play tennis with her. You can walk round a golf course, but you cannot play golf.

6. How come if face masks are so fundamental to eradicating the virus, neither Mr. Hancock nor Mr. Johnson wear them in company, mostly on photoshoots.

7. Mr. Hancock accepts that a small minority of the terminally ill to travel abroad for a Dignitas death, while denying everyone else the right to face the small risk of death by Covid-19 in order to live with dignity and freedom in the UK. How does this make sense?

8. My dentist in better times always wore a mask when providing dental treatment or check up. Now, dentists are for the most part closed except for emergency treatment. If they can treat emergencies, which could take a long time, then why not a return to normal.

256464 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to petgor, #445 of 1846 🔗

I compared the government’s responses to the coronavirus with its professed motivation to be concerned to save lives by following the science. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/11/coronavirus-responses-examination-of.html
Either the government has a hidden motivation or they are irrational, irresponsible and incompetent.

256499 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to petgor, #446 of 1846 🔗

“So, the only effective lockdown will be 24 hour curfew for say a month, with the streets being patrolled by the army and by the police.”

If the streets are being patrolled by the army and by the police, then it’s immediately not actually a 24 hour lockdown curfew.

256411 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 1, #447 of 1846 🔗

Recent Mike Yeadon video that was taken down.

https://t.co/CxeJcvolKj?amp=1

256447 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Suzyv, 4, #448 of 1846 🔗

Absolutely disgusting that Youtube has already censored it. Nothing he says is untrue.

256449 ▶▶ Bizzo, replying to Suzyv, 1, #449 of 1846 🔗

Thanks, this video has opened my eyes. He seems credible.

256553 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bizzo, 1, #450 of 1846 🔗

He is completely credible – infinitely more so than Dimwitty and Unbalanced. He has done lots of interviews – this is a really easy to understand one, as was the Delingpod one he did about a month ago.

256577 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Suzyv, 2, #451 of 1846 🔗

OK on Bitchute about 30 mins ago.

256414 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 12, #452 of 1846 🔗

They really have it in for us in travel! Travel agents removed from list of businesses required to close by law thus removing the right to grants:

https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/393407/abta-urges-government-to-rethink-change-in-travel-agent-lockdown-policy

The fact that our market has been closed effectively since March seems to escape them.

Nov 5 – Dec 02 last year = £115K of holidays sold
Nov 5 – today 2020 = £3K of holidays sold

95% down on turnover since March.

256421 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 3, #453 of 1846 🔗

Shocking! Wilful destruction of businesses.

Maybe hancock can sell his share in horse racing to pay for this

256574 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, 1, #454 of 1846 🔗

I think all the parasites should be stripped of their assets and walled up in the tower.

258050 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, #455 of 1846 🔗

The Tower’s not big enough to accommodate all of them.

256426 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Sarigan, 5, #456 of 1846 🔗

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the Travel industry will become non existent, void, defunct. Just look at the air travel, they are going down the pan faster than a lead baloon. You will not be able to travel anywhere without a Health -Vaccine passport and even then the government can just decided overnight that it’s not safe anymore. Just as a side note, my wife works for local government and she just got a confidential mails basically saying that they except the lockdown to last until end of March at least. Happy 2021, Build, back better plebs!

256601 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #457 of 1846 🔗

Sadly I fear you are correct. The only ones to survive will be pushing ‘Regenerative Travel’. The new buzz word in town, goes beyond sustainable. I am weighing up my options.

256434 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sarigan, 5, #458 of 1846 🔗

The aviation and travel industries are being set up for destruction as you don’t fit into the zero carbon future.By the time the masses realise they can’t have their 2 weeks in Spain it will be too late.

256484 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #459 of 1846 🔗

The masses will have their two weeks in Spain.

256439 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sarigan, 7, #460 of 1846 🔗

And that has a knock on effect on sectors like mine (tourism, museums & heritage). The bulk of our overseas visitors come from those who have saved up for a trip of a lifetime. Once people realise they can’t even do that, they won’t come and we’re finished.

256445 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #461 of 1846 🔗

And the way they economy will go over the next year or so I expect most people’s savings will essentially be worth nothing.

256456 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #462 of 1846 🔗

Exactly. We reopened back in July and our visitor numbers have been abysmal. I don’t see things improving next year. Our management should be thinking ways of giving people more bang for their buck.

256523 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan, 3, #463 of 1846 🔗

Airlines and the travel industry really need to get smarter to this.

When the current ‘lockdown’ was announced, it was implied by the media and ministers that overseas travel would be ‘banned’. In fact, the regulations say nothing of the sort.

What do BA do? They listen to the noise and cut their schedule to 10%, thereby making overseas travel very difficult. Businesses need to get smarter and actually try to combat this. Unfortunately, most of the people making the decisions are as mediocre as our politicians.

256416 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #464 of 1846 🔗

Kids aren’t superspreaders, and they may even be superbarriers

 Kids: from problem to solution?

Now we have a new insight. Kids are not only unlikely to be superspreaders, they could actually be a significant part of the solution. It seems their exposure to the virus may create one of the most effective ways of breaking transmission cycles of SARS-CoV-2. If that turns out to be the case, the Preston-born slogan “don’t kill Granny” will have been another policy that will need to be U-turned, like vitamin D .

The latest insight comes from a very detailed case study on a single family published by a group from the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute and the University of Melbourne, led by Dr Shidan Tosif, just published in the journal Nature Communications .

What can we learn from the Aussie family?

It’s early days in terms of understanding a new disease, but let’s tease out a few key points that this study brings to light:

  • Kids might have such a strong innate mucosal response that they are able to block the virus from entering the body
  • Younger kids may have a stronger innate mucosal immune response than older ones
  • Measuring blood levels of antibodies doesn’t tell us what the mucosal response will be and it’s our mucosal surfaces that provide the first line of (innate) defence against virus particles
  • Adults would do well to build their innate immune responses to make their mucosal immune defences work more like those of kids – and that requires vitamin D, vitamin C and zinc, among other ‘essential’, ‘conditionally-essential’ and so-called ‘non-essential’ nutrients.
  • Young kids who are exposed to the virus may be among the most effective neutralisers of the virus, so when they are in the transmission chain, they could break the transmission chain and reduce rather increase total viral loads

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/kids-aren-t-superspreaders-and-they-may-even-be-superbarriers/

256485 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Victoria, 1, #465 of 1846 🔗

Interesting. Years ago I did some research into colds. I always got a lot of colds, my husband never did, I wanted to find out why. Apparently some people have a nasal mucosa that just doesn’t let the virus in, so have natural immunity. I didn’t know it applies particularly to children. I would suspect that some of the adult population also would have this defence.
And people who do get colds regularly have a different defence as their immune system has been primed to respond to coronavirus from multiple cold infections.

256565 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Victoria, #466 of 1846 🔗

Interesting. It always seemed to be that as soon as the young children and grandchildren started back at school or preschool they would come home with runny noses for a few weeks . Presumably another defence mechanism that flushes viruses away. As new parents years ago we were very concerned about this , then I read an article that said that with the shots given to the newborn and their inbuilt and inherited immunity the very young are virtually indestructible . Not strictly true of course alas, but reassuring at the time.

256419 steve_w, 3, #467 of 1846 🔗

fun dataset to play with

https://github.com/OxCGRT/covid-policy-tracker/raw/master/data/timeseries/OxCGRT_timeseries_all.xlsx

you can plot day by day how ‘stringent’ every country is in its ‘lockdown’

its not perfect

100 is complete lack of freedom

Sweden goes from 65 (they closed some schools and universities I think) to about 55 (now)

Heavy lockdown (NZ, Oz, Norway, UK at various points) is about 80. NZ went to almost 100.

UK currently 64.

ie <60 is normalish, >60 is fascism, 80 is full lockdown

Japan never above 50 – inbuilt immunity, clearly

256424 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #468 of 1846 🔗

You can subjugate some of the people some of the time

You cannot subjugate all of the people all of the time

256429 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Cecil B, 2, #469 of 1846 🔗

Yes you can!! When people beg for their liberties to be taken away, there is no way out.

256479 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #470 of 1846 🔗

They haven’t subjugated me.

256489 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to annie, 1, #471 of 1846 🔗

Nor me.

256490 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to annie, 3, #472 of 1846 🔗

Me neither…but I despair every day at the state of the people out there.

257338 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, #473 of 1846 🔗

.

256427 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #474 of 1846 🔗

Massive investment in the armed forces.
Like: whose going to invade us?
FINLAND?
Maybe the government are expecting an internal revolt?

256462 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #475 of 1846 🔗

Sweden, of course. Why, those sneaky, oh-so-sensible non-panicking Scandis….

(I, for one, will welcome our new Swedish overlords.)

256483 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark, #476 of 1846 🔗

Bring it on!

256486 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mark, 4, #477 of 1846 🔗

of course .. all that Ikea furniture in everyone’s homes waiting to pounce When the invasion comes millions of Billy bookcases will mobilise

256525 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #478 of 1846 🔗

All going into cyber warfare apparently while yet more regiments get merged.

256633 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #479 of 1846 🔗

Just another smokescreen.

It’s the same trick the Nazi’s pulled with their supposed autobahn creation .

256430 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #480 of 1846 🔗

Just filled out a survey sent to me via Recovery from Conservative Voice and this is what I said at the end:

I strongly believe that the response to what is now being seen as a bad case of seasonal flu has been disproportionate and is causing destruction not just of lives but also the economy, mental health and most of all social and community cohesion.

Measures such as social distancing and mandatory masking have been harmful not only to well being but also to social and community cohesion. It tells people to avoid others are they’re disease ridden lepers. Such mentality is destructive, weakens social bonds and sows distrust and discord.

If the government are serious about the health and wealth of this country, they would end all these measures now. Let people live their lives and trust them. Otherwise I fear that with these current measures we are heading towards the abyss and this will end badly.

And for those who want to fill out the survey, here it is:

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/C_19_GovtStrat

256437 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #481 of 1846 🔗

Thanks for that.

256455 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #482 of 1846 🔗

Excellent survey. I let rip in the comments box.

256459 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #483 of 1846 🔗

It is a good one and the surveys should be like that unlike the rigged ones from YouGov or Ipsos MORI.

256474 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #484 of 1846 🔗

as it is sponsored by “conservative voice” it seems they might actually want to know the truth of what people think rather than just get a survey that justifies the actions taken and/or is just more PR bullshit to influence the gullible

256498 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, 1, #485 of 1846 🔗

I had the same thought as the questions were direct to the point and well thought out. It does seem like they want to know what people really think.

256663 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #486 of 1846 🔗

Likewise.

256458 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #487 of 1846 🔗

Repeal CV Act NOW is the first item in the comment box

256460 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #488 of 1846 🔗

good one .. my comment
“i understand the governments strategy. basically there isn’t one other than uncritically listen to “health and science” advisers with dodgy stats, and then make knee jerk reactions to everything from then on and use a compliant MSM to spread fear and half truths across a scared and gullible public and use the police as as stormtroopers to stop any dissent and questioning about the validity.
Have voted conservative all my life. Never again “

256482 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, 2, #489 of 1846 🔗

Hear, hear!!!

256559 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #490 of 1846 🔗

Thanks Bart. However please be careful when completing – in around the middle of the questionnaire they ask the question the other way around. Had to CONCENTRATE hard to give the right answer.

256681 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, #491 of 1846 🔗

I did manage to make sure I did read that section properly.

256589 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #492 of 1846 🔗

note after i completed this one, i hit on another linked survey “Where do you standon current events?- Share your opinion.” which was much wider and again a well created survey . you should also complete this if you have the time

256593 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #493 of 1846 🔗

It hasn’t even been that. The drastic reduction in beds in Feb, the change to care for the elderly (harvesting), the vague attribution of respiratory issues to Covid followed by how they are treated with Covid measures taken that reduce throughput of patients and hands-on care, have all contributed to more deaths.

Take all these out and we have a blip that is well within standard mortality.

This has been a logistics mess with collateral damage. And even with that it only managed to kill less than 50,000 people over the space of months. Essentially what we have is a direct case of Iatrogenics (Death by medicine)

257128 ▶▶ Ndovu, replying to Bart Simpson, #494 of 1846 🔗

Thanks for that – here’s my response:

The government’s response to Covid19 is not only totally out of proportion to what is a fairly nasty virus, dangerous only to the very elderly and frail, and people with comorbidities and/or compromised immune systems, but it is also doing huge damage to society as a whole. The damage to people’s livelihoods, businesses, mental health and physical health done by repeated lockdowns and restrictions is incalculable. The figures released this week by ONS showing October deaths from all causes only 8 more than last year give the lie to any need for lockdowns. The damage done by treating everybody as vectors of contagion is huge – mask-wearing is unnecessary and the Danish study has shown they make no appreciable difference to infection transmission. Deaths from other causes dwarf those from Covid. The scandal of releasing sick patients into care homes in the spring was criminal. Mass testing has been shown time and again to be ineffective and unnecessary, generating many false positives. It’s time to let people assess their own risks and let the country get back to normal. Rushed vaccines are not the answer, nor is compromising our immune systems with excessive sanitising.
Stop all these restrictions now!

256432 mjr, replying to mjr, 2, #495 of 1846 🔗

so it begins
“First Minister Mark Drakeford has called for people not to “fritter away” lockdown “success” after seeing the “first signs” of the firebreak working.”

politicians claiming that the downturn in “cases” and hospitalisations which was already becoming apparent as it was clear the peak had passed is actually due to firebreaks and lockdowns.
next week – Johnsons attributes the reductions to the current lockdown

256442 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to mjr, 8, #496 of 1846 🔗

It was never in doubt that they’d take the credit for something they have no control over.

256468 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #497 of 1846 🔗

Or that they would lie about it. Or that the zombies would believe it.
I intend to fritter as hard as I can.

256463 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, 3, #498 of 1846 🔗

Chairman Drakeford being delusional yet again.

256842 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #499 of 1846 🔗

I read about a woman in Wales who threw herself off a motorway bridge at the height of lockdown. Lockdown had pushed her over the edge. I wonder if Drakeford knows about her

256885 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 1, #500 of 1846 🔗

That’s horrible. I don’t think he would know about that incident, if he did probably would just shrug his shoulders and tell himself its collateral damage.

Loathsome man.

258054 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #501 of 1846 🔗

Throw him in the Thames.

256435 wat tyler, 1, #502 of 1846 🔗

Just tried the link on the main page to Mike Yeadon talking to the student group unlocked ,it seems youtube have banned it saying it violates their service or some bollocks.

256440 mjr, replying to mjr, 12, #503 of 1846 🔗

public workers pay freeze. Naga Muchshitty asking wankcock. “will the NHS workers be exempt from this” .
Union man praising all the front line workers “giving their lives” F*** the rest of you, we public service greedy bastards want to get our money and sod the economy

256450 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mjr, 5, #504 of 1846 🔗

Really good news.Now the public sector unions realise they are not immune from the effects of lockdown they may start to oppose them.

256477 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #505 of 1846 🔗

Not sure that’s good news for the many poor fuckers who have done nothing wrong except do their job and had had to work all the way through the poxy crisis and have no say in what bastards at the top do.

256452 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, 1, #506 of 1846 🔗

we public service greedy bastards want to get our money and sod the economy”

Don’t be an idiot. It’s not compulsory, even under the Covid Tories.

256496 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, #507 of 1846 🔗

what is not compulsory?

257325 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, #508 of 1846 🔗

Being an idiot ?

256505 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 2, #509 of 1846 🔗

The public sector workers that are excluded from getting an increase might decide to stand up to this nonsense lockdown…….

256527 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mjr, 3, #510 of 1846 🔗

The BBC could help by not taking the five billion pounds a year of public money that it squanders of propaganda and Strictly..

256446 D B, replying to D B, 5, #511 of 1846 🔗

“Experts” this morning calling for Tier 3 to be the new normal – honestly the edge of the balcony is looking more and more appealing every day

256838 ▶▶ Ben, replying to D B, 2, #512 of 1846 🔗

I am expecting governments to legalise assisted suicide, as New Zealand has done. On demand for health reasons, including mental health. I expect many will take up the offer

256448 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 21, #513 of 1846 🔗

Is it not remarkable that the risk of dying with the coronavirus mirrors exactly the risk of dying even if the virus did not exist?

256461 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #514 of 1846 🔗

All it means is that nobody lives for ever.

256478 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to annie, 6, #515 of 1846 🔗

I suspect it means rather more than that. It means, at a minimum, that the virus has had zero effect on mortality.

257318 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, #516 of 1846 🔗

I thought we all lived forever ?

256472 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #517 of 1846 🔗

Thats such an excellent one. So many head scratchers around.

BBC reporting this morning that people in Care Holmes will be top of the list for the vaccine. You have to wonder what if any impact that will have on mortality rates in care homes, say over a two year period. Given that. The average stay in a care home is 6 to 12 months.

Their graphic had all age bands and death rates alongside each other. Massively weighted to 80+ of course. As harsh as it sounds, all this is being done (8 vaccines + in the mix, hundreds of billions spent) and how many life years are saved?

It’s not a about a virus.

256492 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #518 of 1846 🔗

NICE has a formula for spending public money to save lives. It is less than twenty thousand for a year of perfect health. In response to the coronavirus, the government have spent hundreds of billions to save apparently no QALYs. Rather than listening to Vallance, Whitty and SAGE, perhaps the government ought to have been listening to NICE?

256514 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #519 of 1846 🔗

I spoke with a training manager for a group of care homes who is equally suspicious of rushed out untested vaccines, even more so with three different ones.

256833 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #520 of 1846 🔗

Call me cruel, but I always wondered why would you bother vaccinating people who are waiting for death?
Having seen my grandmother wait for deaths for 10 years in a care home, my whole family has decided NOT go down that route.

256473 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #521 of 1846 🔗

It certainly is.

I can’t think of any other infectious diseases with that pattern of mortality.

Usually, such diseases, while infecting all age groups, have their highest mortality among the old AND the very young – pneumonia for example.

256509 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, #522 of 1846 🔗

1st or 2nd week in January it will emerge that overall mortality is much the same as usual unless they present suicide and death by NHS neglect as ‘covid dead’.

256522 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 2, #523 of 1846 🔗

They have already prepared the way for that by adopting the nomenclature “indirect covid deaths” – for people who died as a result of the responses to the virus.

257321 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, #524 of 1846 🔗

They’re stills. Still lockdown deaths.

256607 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to karenovirus, #525 of 1846 🔗

Won’t suicides and death by NHS neglect already be in the overall mortality?

256534 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #526 of 1846 🔗

It truly is. I was considering this last night. For all of the time we spend discussing the results of vaccine trials and long awaited mask studies in terms of how many people tested positive (!) for SARS-Cov-2 and whether these were as a result of the effect of a vaccine or mask – the fact remains that in all of these studies and clearly in general life, ~99% of participants did not test positive for the virus. It matters not whether jab or no jab, mask or no mask.

It’s the greatest scam the world has even seen.

256782 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #527 of 1846 🔗

The virus effect appears proportional to the amount of home or hospital care you require.

Interesting that

256467 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #528 of 1846 🔗

Having just spent several days going through my music collection (theres nothing else to do is there?) Ive come across an ideal theme tune.

Its sums this nonsense up perfectly – though its so obvious its probably already been posted.

But just in case who do I email it to?

256500 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Rule of Pricks, #529 of 1846 🔗

Go to Toby’s Shameless Begging paragraph towards the end of his daily updates.

256501 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #530 of 1846 🔗

And if you want to flag up any stories or links we should include in future updates, email us here .

256532 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Victoria, 3, #531 of 1846 🔗

I very strongly urge you to contact Hector Drummond and find out how to contact Christopher Bowyer who produces weekly dat and graphs for his now closed website. Christopher’s graphs are absolutely superb, it would be tremendous loss to the sceptic cause if he stopped having a regular place to publish them.

256476 chrissie, replying to chrissie, 13, #532 of 1846 🔗

The sensational new Yeadon Interview was deleted by Youtube while I was watching it tonight. Here it is on bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/

256520 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to chrissie, 10, #533 of 1846 🔗

It is excellent. Presumably banned by a US company because they didn’t want British people hearing from a fellow Brit that other Brits were useless and should be fired. What a wonderful world!
Bitchute of course are fighting to stay alive, being deplatformed.

256531 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 2, #534 of 1846 🔗

Watch the Corbett Report on the Burning of the Ancient Library

He recommends you start saving as much information as you can onto offline materials. Even printing on paper. He’s convinced there is a large book burning event coming.

256561 ▶▶▶▶ chrissie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #535 of 1846 🔗

An equivalent to book burning is how the “woke” and “left” are contantly manipulating wikipedia. We don’t even need a “Ministry of Truth”, it has been replaced by left “swarm intelligence”.

257313 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #536 of 1846 🔗

‘Even printing on paper.’ ?

This is my old normal. I can’t be the only one ?

256555 ▶▶▶ chrissie, replying to peyrole, 4, #537 of 1846 🔗

All this makes me questioning GOOGLE, the owner of Youtube. Beginning to retract our company’s data and email from Google completely.

256567 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to chrissie, 1, #538 of 1846 🔗

they are all complicit. If you look for the videos of last weeks senate hearing when Zuckerberg from Facebook and the Twitter guy get a good grilling from senators about bias and blocking . And those three companies between them basically control social media.

256592 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to chrissie, 2, #539 of 1846 🔗

Indeed.

DucKDuckGo is a much safer alternative than Google

Protonmail.com is an Swiss encrypted email service (free accounts available).No ads so their only income is from either donations or paid accounts, private and business and also VPN’s

 Up to 50% off Black Friday deal https://protonmail.com/blackfriday

256480 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #540 of 1846 🔗

412,000 plus have signed a petition to close all schools. ( yummy mummies and daddies and namby namby wimps).
At least this excuse of a government has had the decency to ignore em, now ; ignore Whitless,Vacuous,etc.

256495 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #541 of 1846 🔗

How utterly stupid to destroy the life of your child. Children want to be with their friends in a learning environment.

256507 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Victoria, 5, #542 of 1846 🔗

Well said, we have one granddaughter trying to complete her GCSE studies and her elder sister who has had to defer starting university by a year.

256538 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #543 of 1846 🔗

My kids exactly the same. Both doing exams this year and then elder one already decided not to go to uni next year. Had been really looking forward to spreading her wings and now becoming more and more agro phobic by the day. Hadn’t been into school for over a week and was really nervous this morning. Never been like that before. Even at nursery she used to just run in full of excitement.

256549 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to CGL, 7, #544 of 1846 🔗

Know exactly what you are saying, CGL.
Elder granddaughter also lost her waitress job besides having her driving lessons being disrupted over and over again.

256625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #545 of 1846 🔗

Lockdownistas are so unbelievably selfish .

256606 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to CGL, 4, #546 of 1846 🔗

I think universities are lost causes.

256526 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #547 of 1846 🔗

Nearly Half a million people have essentially admitted to being insane !

Stop hurting kids for your own cowardly behaviour

256540 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Leemc23, 2, #548 of 1846 🔗

Brilliantly put, Leemc23

256556 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #549 of 1846 🔗

This group are a huge driver for closing schools.

https://mobile.twitter.com/parents_utd

They think the government are hiding death numbers and schools are certain death traps. Every case is amplified. They have a map of cases in schools across England. Basically it is updated every time they are contacted by a parent saying there was a case. The map gets a red dot and it is never removed. They then report cases in 30% of schools. The number only ever goes up.

256642 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #550 of 1846 🔗

and by “case” you mean a dubious “test that showed a positive”

256724 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mjr, 3, #551 of 1846 🔗

No. Its worse. They base it on a parent saying they know of a case. Could be anyone spouting any old gossip. I asked them if these are live outbreaks on their map and do they monitor for when they end? They actually said they needed to check and then told me no. Once a school is marked with a red dot. It stays. They said their intention is to show many schools are affected. Doesn’t matter about anything else.

They are dangerous. Total group think and they don’t engage with any alternative views. Scared me to the point I just left their FB group as it was total fear porn being driven down the throats of parents and teachers. The organisers are on a serous power trip

256913 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #552 of 1846 🔗

Could you send them the link to this world health alliance article posted here earlier? A study showed that kids might actually be superbarriers rather than superspreaders.

https://www.anhinternational.org/.news/kids-aren-t-superspreaders-and-they-may-even-be-superbarriers/

256835 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to mjr, 2, #553 of 1846 🔗

The footballer Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive three separate times. He called the PCR test bull sh*t

256645 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #554 of 1846 🔗

400,000 kids doing the equivalent of forging a sick note from mum to get some time off school ??????

257307 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, #555 of 1846 🔗

400,000 computer and phone literate kids ? Surely not.

🙂

256682 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #556 of 1846 🔗

What’s to stop these branch Covidians taking their own kids of school unilaterally? Why impose their lunacy on the rest of us?

256713 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mattghg, 2, #557 of 1846 🔗

Is it not reminiscent of the global warming catastrophists who demand that the rest of us stop burning carbon dioxide whilst they merrily burn carbon dioxide?

256828 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #558 of 1846 🔗

FFS! We are being dragged into the abyss by human stupidity

The aim is to eradicate social interaction. It’s sinister

256494 calchas, replying to calchas, 33, #559 of 1846 🔗

Somebody posted a link below to a report on BBC Wales about the police complaining about sceptics delivering leaflets to doors.

Although the leaflets only challenged the statistics and measures, they were described as conspiracy theories.

It seems to be that the definition of ‘conspiracy theory’ has been so expanded, that it now includes any deviation from any official narrative on anything, including the questioning of statistics, arguments and measures.

256504 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 10, #560 of 1846 🔗

Statistics like ONS figures from Oct 2019 and Oct 2020 being almost identical

256506 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 6, #561 of 1846 🔗

One thing about the BBC report: it included a clearly legible photo of the leaflet!

256510 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to calchas, 11, #562 of 1846 🔗

On the same day that SAGE admit to using Wikipedia as a source…

256515 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 9, #563 of 1846 🔗

The term conspiracy theory was weaponised by the CIA precisely to defend official narratives from any challenge merely by the constant reiteration of a noun phrase – so much easier than having to use reason and evidence.

256517 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to calchas, 2, #564 of 1846 🔗

They didn’t provide a close up of the leaflet, but the brief parts you could read didn’t seem to be saying anything untrue.

256519 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 12, #565 of 1846 🔗

Conspiracy theorist is now just the term for dissident. Unfortunately, history tells us what ends up happening to dissidents when authoritarian regimes are in control.

256528 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, 16, #566 of 1846 🔗

Sod it – I dont want to live in their shitty version of a world so if i die defending this one – no problem.

256560 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, 6, #567 of 1846 🔗

Indeed. It’s not often I quote Cypress Hill, but I ain’t going out like that.

256544 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, 5, #568 of 1846 🔗

Politics, they say, creates strange bedfellows. Never thought I’d be lumped in with conspiracy theorists. I feel sure they’re equally unimpressed.

257302 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #569 of 1846 🔗

The more the merrier, Nick. 🙂

Once we’ve disemboweled Schwab on Tower Hill, we can get back to squabbling about aliens/moonbases/lizards/etc.

258058 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #570 of 1846 🔗

You forgot Elvis living on the dark side of the moon.

256823 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 5, #571 of 1846 🔗

When the Government has been terrorising the country using deliberately misleading graphs using PREDICTIONS

*Predicted* made up curves upwards that contradict the actual data. These statististicians are criminals

256503 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 10, #572 of 1846 🔗

Boris spunks an extra £24.1 billion on the war budget to ‘defend free and open societies’.

Hahahahahahahahaha!

Twat.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/britain-announces-massive-military-spending-boost-biggest-1991

256512 ▶▶ mjr, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #573 of 1846 🔗

expanding the navy to deter those pesky french and spanish fishermen post brexit.
the only war this country could fight is a cod war (and i recall we lost to Iceland.) Imagine , beaten by a bloody supermarket

256524 ▶▶ CGL, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #574 of 1846 🔗

Free??? Open??? Where are these societies?

256539 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to CGL, 3, #575 of 1846 🔗

They must be somehwere, otherwise why would you bung your mates in the defence indus…. er, spend so much money on defending them?

256619 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 2, #576 of 1846 🔗

Maybe Bozo could start by invading Scotland via the Forth and Wales via Milford Haven.These countries are even more closed and enslaved than England.
Or he could send the Navy to liberate England.

256551 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to G.Fawkes, #577 of 1846 🔗

Redeploying Churchills War Rooms under Whitehall as the borisbunker.

256621 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, #578 of 1846 🔗

Bunk, certainly.

256623 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #579 of 1846 🔗

I too have noticed the increase in government (and its enablers in the MSM) describing the UK as an open and free society. They have the audacity to be critical of other countries – like Belarus and Hong Kong for the treatment of their people, while increasingly destroying the lives of the British population.

256533 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #580 of 1846 🔗

https://twitter.com/CesareSacchetti/status/1329363308995104768

SS German Police SWAT alternative therapy doctor who engaged in wrongthink, caught on livestream.

256545 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #581 of 1846 🔗

Gestapo or SS ?

256546 ▶▶ leggy, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #582 of 1846 🔗

I believe that this has been debunked as a set up.

256547 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to leggy, #583 of 1846 🔗

Jesus I hope so.

256586 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to leggy, #584 of 1846 🔗

Where?!

256604 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Voz 0db, #585 of 1846 🔗

I’ll find it again.

256614 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Voz 0db, #586 of 1846 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_cd7609B78

analysis in German – 17 minutes.

He notes quite a few inconsistencies with the idea that this is real.

256597 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 1, #587 of 1846 🔗

Yes, I saw the analysis. The police looked real but the Doctor’s behaviour was not congruent with the alleged situation.

In my opinion this video is quite possibly being put out there to intimidate people.

256598 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to leggy, 1, #588 of 1846 🔗

In the comments here yesterday – one of our resident German speakers should be able to clarify.

256600 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 2, #589 of 1846 🔗

I posted the link yesterday to the analysis in German, which I understand.

I find it telling that the short video segment is still up and hasn’t been taken down.

It is supposed to be seen.

If that were real, then it would have disappeared by now.

256854 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, #590 of 1846 🔗

I saw this yesterday and also looked at the debunk video. I agree this is fake.
The language the “police” use does not seem authentic.
The doctor is in an attic, loud banging can be heard. He goes to the door, comes back and says the police is on the door. How did they get into the building to be able to bang against an attic door? They bang for way too long to break an inner door down. They ask for names again and again, in a 8minute video. Instead of killing the live feed, they just turn the camera. All it takes is to pull the cable out. The person debunking the video found out that the uniformed police officer has an emblem from an elite force on his jacket, who have to be physically super fit. The man breathes heavy for several minutes, as if he had difficulties just going upstairs.
Apparently the doctor, who researches into electro magnet waves in the universe, claimed someone tried to kill him a few years ago.

256542 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 5, #591 of 1846 🔗

Dr Roger Hodkinson’s speech was excellent but the other testimonials were worth listening to. Some personal stories, some cited scientific papers. 8:44:44 made me cry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1W0FHuR-Rc

F you to anyone who says ‘what’s the big deal’ about masks.

257183 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Caramel, 1, #592 of 1846 🔗

Thank you, I was looking for this yesterday.

256548 DRW, replying to DRW, 15, #593 of 1846 🔗

Anyone else feel decades older because of all this?

256579 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to DRW, -2, #594 of 1846 🔗

No…

256583 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to DRW, 4, #595 of 1846 🔗

Since the LAST FINANCIAL TERRORISTS ATTACKS of the SRF & Billionaires in 2007/8 I’ve started to prepare for the next one…

The only surprise here is the use of another fake pandemic of pneumonia! I thought They would be more inventive and creative…

For me personally my current lifestyle is the same. Only when I need to go to a larger supermarket, which I’m trying to avoid, I’ve to wear a plastic visor! Other than this… nothing changed.

256652 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #596 of 1846 🔗

why do you have to wear a plastic visor . Are you not exempt like the rest of us?

256892 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to mjr, #597 of 1846 🔗

I slave on a different Plantation (Portróikal – former Portugal)

256872 ▶▶▶ Nope, replying to Voz 0db, #598 of 1846 🔗

YOU wear a plastic visor???
Why on Earth would you do that??
Plenty of people go to supermarkets without any disgusting pieces of cloth or plastic over their faces, and no lanyard either.
I’m absolutely sick to the back teeth of this moronic fucking cosplay stupidity.

256891 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Nope, 2, #599 of 1846 🔗

Not where I slave!

In the plantation where I slave on, mask OR visor is MANDATORY and they don’t let any slave in without one. Usual democracy stuff!

256611 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 5, #600 of 1846 🔗

No. But I was old to start with.
I’m now thinner, fitter (because I am out of the house almost all the time, enjoying the great outdoors), and a thousand times more rebellious than I ever was as a student, when I only wanted to be left alone to study medieval French.

In fact, I am rejuvenated!

256694 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 2, #601 of 1846 🔗

The stress has started to make my hair grow grey.

257294 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #602 of 1846 🔗

I could use that one … Thanks 2-6.

256810 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 1, #603 of 1846 🔗

Yep. I’ve aged ten years in nine months

256552 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #604 of 1846 🔗

The great Great Reset and technocrat tyranny
https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/11/the-great-great-reset-and-technocrat-tyranny/

Spactator Australia.

256808 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 1, #605 of 1846 🔗

I saw on the ‘Rise Up Melbourne’ Twitter account that Australia is considering concentration camps for those tested positive. They’re calling them detainment camps. No doubt privately run and profit making

This disturbing trend is echoed in New Zealand and Canada too

256557 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #606 of 1846 🔗

I am not very confident that the rebel Covid Recovery Group of MPs will hold firm and vote against further lock-downs. I sense a sell-out in the air or am I being too pessimistic?

256571 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #607 of 1846 🔗

The Davos Boris Carrie government will ikely avoid a further formal lockdown, instead imposing a strict tier system (lwhich will be lockdown in all but name) after lockdown 2.0. They will do this to avoid a tory rebellion on the vote that causes embarrasment for Boris. The battle will be ellsewhere for the CRG.

256572 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #608 of 1846 🔗

They need to do far more than vote against lockdowns. They should be writing their no confidence letters to Graham Brady; they only need fifty-five and there are seventy of them.

256629 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #609 of 1846 🔗

They probably will once Brexit is over the line, some are still loyal because of that even though Doris never was.

256635 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DRW, #610 of 1846 🔗

We have already left the European Union. We did so on 31 January 2020.

256643 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, #611 of 1846 🔗

Once the deal, or not, is done he is fully disposable. Not that I’m holding out much hope for his sucessor.

256701 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DRW, #612 of 1846 🔗

The deal for the future relationship has effectively run out of time. Any such deal would have to be first agreed by the UK government the EU Commission, and there does not appear to any sign of agreement, then it has to be agreed by the EU parliament and the Council and the member states and the UK parliament. All of this would take time, and the default legal deadline for all of this to be achieved is 31 December 2020.

256750 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Steve Hayes, #613 of 1846 🔗

Kicking the can down the road again, we will never leave as its against the Globalist agenda. The UK allowed to be ‘Sovereign’?
Er, no.

256865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mari, #614 of 1846 🔗

We have left. We left on 31 January 2020.

256576 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #615 of 1846 🔗

Since when have you seen scoundrels doing what is BEST for the sheelemmings?!

256590 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #616 of 1846 🔗

Even if they do it won’t matter.

Labour will support the government.

I consider them only a nucleus of potential resistance.

Don’t expect much of them.

256596 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to calchas, 1, #617 of 1846 🔗

When a leader has to rely on “opposition” votes a vote of no confidence usually follows. Thus Boris and his Davos crew will avoid the need for a vote by imposing tiers (lockdown by another name) rather than another formal lockdown. The CRG are likely aware of this.

256618 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 1, #618 of 1846 🔗

Seriously. In this scenario life is not worth living

256649 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 2, #619 of 1846 🔗

Yes it is. Life is always worth living. You’ve got to rebel. Go read Camus.
Give up on life and you hand a victory to the apostles of death who seek to rule us.

256688 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 1, #620 of 1846 🔗

Read Jordan Peterson, seek conflict, you are a giant.

256871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #621 of 1846 🔗

I’ve often wondered, if he hadn’t been out of commission, what he would have made of all this…..

256615 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #622 of 1846 🔗

MPs are insulated against poverty. Or they’re being bribed or coerced or blackmailed. What else could explain it? They must know how their constituents are suffering and how local businesses are failing

Society, civil liberties, the economy destroyed. What MP would vote for that when almost every MP in history prior to 2020 has pledged to help the economy and has criticised the lack of democracy and human rights in North Korea and China

256647 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #623 of 1846 🔗

No, I agree with you.

256696 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, #624 of 1846 🔗

Look at Northern Ireland. 3 full weeks of behind close doors Covid negotiations, not even debated in Chambers for the public to see. DUP talking up a good game, living with the virus, protect jobs. Hope of a sort.

Yesterday. Compromise reached with the public health authoritarians. One week unlocked. Starting today. Not including any hospitality. Then all close again next week for 2 weeks.

Insanity reigns. Nobody with any integrity has resigned.

There is no real opposition to this. Politicians only know how to kick the can. If they had any real political bones in their body they’d be calling for protest in the streets.

By the end of this fire break my town will have been in 10 weeks of a 2 week fire break.

256762 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #625 of 1846 🔗

Given that over 50% of them voted for the current lockdown, I would say your pessimism level is understated.

256566 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 35, #626 of 1846 🔗

Excellent interview with Dr Emma Kenny. Should be circulated more widely:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/20/this-is-an-abusive-government/

Especially this:

Part of my work is to help people empower children to accept that the death of loved ones is part of human experience. But the government has, again, done the absolute opposite and said that, basically, we should not love people. Loving them might kill them. Touching them might kill them. Going near them might kill them. This message has been given knowingly and willingly. And psychologists have helped to do that, which disgusts and terrifies me.

And this is why we’re in such a mess. People have become afraid of death and seem to have a narcissistic entitlement to immortality and that it’s unacceptable.

256705 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #627 of 1846 🔗

I did a list on here a while ago now from memory of how many people I have know who have died. It’s a long list.

256773 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, #628 of 1846 🔗

Very sorry to hear that. The collateral deaths from all this is a scandal.

256794 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #629 of 1846 🔗

Emma Kenny is wonderful, but I wish she’d delve into the agenda that’s driving current events. Ie The Great Reset etc

256894 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 4, #630 of 1846 🔗

I think she wants to focus on her expertise which is understandable given she’s been the subject of attacks and give the great numbers still asleep. If she delves into the Great Reset, that will give more ammunition towards her enemies.

257735 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, #631 of 1846 🔗

My whole issue with what we are going through isn’t that I am worried about dying – I am quite pragmatic about death, which is why I am so livid that I am not allowed to live, and that they have now stolen 8 months precious time from me. How dare they think it’s theirs to take from me.

256570 Voz 0db, 5, #632 of 1846 🔗

WIKILOCKS SCANDAL: SAGE Used Wikipedia Data For Lockdown Models

Not at scandal at all.

These scoundrels and fraudsters need to obey the ORDERS of the SRF & Billionaires emanating from the WHO. If they want to keep their privileged modern slave job.

So if the design of OPERATION COVID (last training happened in October 2019 in NYC) requires a “pandemic” of PCR bamboo jamboo, they will search for the BEST source of that.

The SCRIPT for the major milestone is being read as we entertain ourselves on web sites!

The forced CHANGE will go on no matter what!

Well. “no matter what” is quite extreme… IF we start deploying our own SLAVE OPERATION CUTVID via several Jedburgh’s actions our chances to stop the madness increase many fold!

In the meantime do enjoy the PROPAGANDA…
https://vimeo.com/481466679

256585 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #633 of 1846 🔗

Bumping the great 32 minute interview with Mike Yeadon.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/

All the borderline people need to watch it.

256599 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 5, #634 of 1846 🔗

Michael Yeadon is a hero

256690 ▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Ben, 2, #635 of 1846 🔗

Please send to your MP

256788 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #636 of 1846 🔗

My MP is Labour. They endorse lockdown. No point

256587 Cecil B, 9, #637 of 1846 🔗

So the local authority Stasi who have tried to close every business they can get their hands on are to get a real terms pay cut

Just their way of saying thank you

Choose your side

256588 Ben, replying to Ben, 15, #638 of 1846 🔗

Except none of this is about health. If it was about health the NHS wouldn’t have closed its doors. It’s about money and control

Bill Gates has moved his business model to humans. Forget natural immunity, there’s no money in that. Instead replace it with endless Microsoft updates and patches for humans

No proof of latest booster equals no travel, work, freedom, food, housing. No life

Refusing to be held to ransom by Pharma, tech and the banks equals ‘detainment centres (concentration camps) – see Canada, New Zealand and Australia

All endeavours privately run for profit. No one wins in the New Normal or the Great Reset

256595 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 4, #639 of 1846 🔗

Indeed. It is unprecedented to deny the majority of UK citizens access to health

256603 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 2, #640 of 1846 🔗

Not about health, it is about wealth

256591 John Stone, 5, #641 of 1846 🔗

How the government is compromising informed consent over Covid vaccination – my latest letter BMJ on-line:

Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? Daniel Sokol. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m3933
Dear Editor
I am perplexed at Wendy Stephen’s response [1]. I think we can all appreciate that a dialogue might be made less meaningful if a patient was subject to undue pressure to accept an intervention irrespective of the moment at which consent is obtained [2]. For myself I have been in benign hospital situations and situations where the staff terrified me out of my wits. What happens in the present situation over Covid vaccines which have been developed and trialled in only a few months and where the government is anxious to curtail discussion over safety and even attribute malice to people who attempt to discuss it [3,4]? What happens when this is against a background where the government’s own trustworthiness (notably over contracts) is in question [5]? Would the basis for informed consent then exist?
[1] Wendy E Stephen, ‘ Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue?’, 18 November 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-16
[2] Helen Haskell, ‘ Cumberlege review exposes stubborn and dangerous flaws in healthcare’, BMJ 2020; 370 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m3099 (Published 06 August 2020)
[3] John Stone, ‘Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? (Coercive atmosphere over vaccination)’, 13 November 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-12
[4] John Stone, ‘Informed Consent and the Government’s Legal Position’, 16 November 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-14
[5] Kamran Abbasi, ‘ Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science’, BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4425 (Published 13 November 2020)
Competing interests: AgeofAutism.com, an on-line daily journal, concerns itself with the potential environmental sources for the proliferation of autism, neurological impairment, immune dysfunction and chronic disease. I receive no payment as UK Editor

256608 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #642 of 1846 🔗

my idea for a Christmas song- a mash up of Chris Rea’s “Driving home for Christmas” and “The Road to Hell”

256671 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to crimsonpirate, #643 of 1846 🔗

Locally known as the A15, or the “Road to Hull”

256612 steve_w, 2, #644 of 1846 🔗

update from Tim Spector

cases rise or fall and its bugger all to do with ruinous lockdowns

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/decline-in-cases-slows

256613 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #645 of 1846 🔗

Just a quick one for today’s stocking filler: a 2020 edition of the classic comic strip “Andy Capp”…

(Shortly after this picture was taken, Flo got ran over by a drink-driver because she crossed the road with her eyes closed)
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256655 ▶▶ CGL, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #646 of 1846 🔗

Shouldnt she be called Flu?

256667 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to CGL, 1, #647 of 1846 🔗

ha ha! 🙂 Good point

256799 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #648 of 1846 🔗

Another death for Covid no doubt.

256626 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #649 of 1846 🔗

Professor Gabriel Scally told Good Morning Britain: “There is no point in having a very merry Christmas and then burying friends and relations in January and February.”

Clearly it is much BETTER if a few slaves bury the Professor!

256657 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #650 of 1846 🔗

He’s the one that was unable to answer the question from JHB on Talk Radio about infections peaking pre lockdown on the Zoe App I think. He couldn’t engage with it at all, just bluster and talk of the R0 number.

Who are these people who invade our space every day now. Telling us to be scared.

This guy from the WHO was on a BBC zoom interview today. Professor Kluge. Saying that if we were not scared then we should be because Europe is burning. Again, who is this person? Why are putting up with these people now ruling over us?

256729 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #651 of 1846 🔗

WTF is he wearing a bastard face nappy.
What a total Charlie

256783 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #652 of 1846 🔗

Europe is burning from totalitarianism

256971 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #653 of 1846 🔗

Better if they section the lunatic under the mental health act.

256627 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #654 of 1846 🔗

***Breaking News*** Just heard that El Presidente Sturgeon is making tier 4 lockdown even stricter…..

People who are in tier 4 area’s, are now not allowed to go for a shit in their own homes!!

She said at her daily dictatorship briefing
“I am telling people who are being placed into tier 4 restrictions this evening at 6pm, that to help stop the spread of the virus & to save just one granny’s life, I am making it law that people in these tier 4 area’s are not to do a shit in their own toilets.

I am telling people in these area’s that from 6pm tonight & for the next 3 weeks, they are required to go do their business in the bushes outside, this also coincides with the mass panic buying of toilet rolls, & as such, people in these areas of tier 4 lockdown will need to wipe their arse’s with leaves.

This is only for 3 weeks though, but should the case numbers rise exponentially, I will extend these measures until whenever I feel like it.
We need to save a granny’s life, just the one & if these measures don’t work, I will be stopping people from breathing in their own homes”

*I am only joking, but it would not surprise me if she were to announce something like that.

256636 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #655 of 1846 🔗

I think “levelling up” is the last thing anyone wants to do now…

Why on earth is anyone putting up with this? Oh, yeah, the media brainwashing. That’s why.

256722 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #656 of 1846 🔗

Shouldne that be dae a shite in yooor ain garden

256777 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Two-Six, #657 of 1846 🔗

Aye, It probably should be, but it has to be a socially distanced shite. I didn’t think of that. Then again, that would be “shitting on your own doorstep” basically.

Although, that’s exactly what el Presidente Sturgeon is doing right now.

256630 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 4, #658 of 1846 🔗

Please watch and disseminate this highly informative piece by Mike Yeadon

https://www.facebook.com/unlockedunitedkingdom/videos/409747283542470/

256637 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #659 of 1846 🔗

Use incognito mode to avoid evil facebook cookies

256709 ▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #660 of 1846 🔗

Please send to your MP –

Dear MP,

Please watch this highly informative piece from Dr Mike Yeadon and tell me if there is any factual reason to disagree with his conclusions.

256761 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #661 of 1846 🔗

And any reason it should be censored as it has on YT etc.

256748 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #662 of 1846 🔗

Outstanding. Kudos Dr Yeadon, very well presented.

256634 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 6, #663 of 1846 🔗

I hope everyone on here will do their best to complain about the censorship of Mike Yeadon by Youtube. Don’t forget if we do not speak up now they could be coming for this site next . Toby may think he has a lot of friends in the Tories still but this government will get more and more mental before it is finally put to death . Johnson ,Hancock and co are so dangerously out of control that they need to be removed as soon as possible ,power has gone to their heads and all manner of rational thought has disappeared . Yeadon is clearly a threat to the establishment not only here but around the world because the high death toll rests on the P C R tests and if they are false then its game over and nothing special has happened ( just a bad flu like season) .Until it can be proved otherwise in a rational way we must support those making this point as it seems to me the best line of attack at the moment .That not to say its the only one ,basically i would never support a lockdown like we have had in Britain under any circumstance and i think the liberty and freedom argument is the most overarching one . Lets see what the governments next move is because things are going to heat up towards christmas and one thing is for sure the people have given up listening . One thing to watch is Brexit because as sure as day follows night Johnson will fuck it up and then we have the clearest chance of him being removed and a new start .

256718 ▶▶ mari, replying to wat tyler, 2, #664 of 1846 🔗

Agreed, but Brexit was never going to happen, ever, as it ‘violates’ the Globalist agenda. No western country will ever be allowed to be ‘sovereign’ while these control freaks have power. So – Boris ‘fucking it up’ will be the perfect excuse….another thing to blame covid on!

256814 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mari, #665 of 1846 🔗

Brexit has already happened. We left 1st Jan 2020

258065 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #666 of 1846 🔗

Who wants a Brexit deal with this lot?

256965 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to wat tyler, #667 of 1846 🔗

It’s a no deal for sure I believe. However am feeling much more optimistic today as today the official narrative is starting to crash. The truth is breaking through.

256638 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #668 of 1846 🔗

That Professor Scally is a wag, shouldn’t he be awarded an ASBO for his contribution to public health?

256686 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #669 of 1846 🔗

Apparently anti-social is the new normal.

256644 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 1, #670 of 1846 🔗

Soo politically what are people’s thoughts. Can the Tories survive this? Surely, a large part of their base is business enterprise, civil freedoms and liberties as a principle. That base has to be eroding fast.

Can labour survive this? Will it wash that they have simply abstained on all votes (a similar tactic to Brexit). They have already lost Scotland and I don’t expect this will go down well with the North of England where at stages they seem to have been disproportionately targeted from the South.

It seems they have hedged all bets on a vaccine which is not a guarantee. At some point this debt has to be paid and the furlough parachute has to be burst and if they plan to carry these restrictions into 2021 as SAGE are suggesting then more and more people are waking up.

Surely this could ruin the parties? Or will the media be able to whip the sheeple into maintaining the two party state?

256656 ▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 4, #671 of 1846 🔗

The party system is already irrelevant.

In my opinion, whatever happens from now on, none of our institutions will survive this in their current form.

256693 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 3, #672 of 1846 🔗

I hope your right we have needed change for far too long now.

256796 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, 1, #673 of 1846 🔗

I agree with you there. Everything let us down or betrayed us.

256668 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHuntz, 4, #674 of 1846 🔗

we need an anti-lockdown party for the may elections. to focus minds

I think the tories currently are showing the only resistance (amongst political parties) in the covid recovery group – piss weak as they are

256800 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 2, #675 of 1846 🔗

Reform Party is planning to stand. Assuming the elections are held…

256817 ▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #676 of 1846 🔗

yep, there will be no May elections.

256669 ▶▶ Hairy Bob, replying to JHuntz, 4, #677 of 1846 🔗

Tories – not a cat in hell’s chance. They have dumped both the impact and future cost of this fiasco on their core vote. Boris seems to think that he can make up for it by trying to attract the eco-loon vote. That seems, er, unlikely.

Labour – time will tell. They picked a good election to lose! They will drop some votes over their support for lockdown, but they have the advantage that they can and will blame the Tories. Unless there is a credible alternative I think a lot of tthe vote they lost to the Tories in 2019 will return.

256698 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Hairy Bob, 3, #678 of 1846 🔗

Boris will go down as one of the worst PM’s ever in the UK and the worst PM for the tories when all is said and done.

256746 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JHuntz, 2, #679 of 1846 🔗

And the amazing thing is that both Maggie Thatcher and Tony Blair in their turn took years to gain that crown and Boris has stolen it in a matter of weeks and outperformed both of them.

256813 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Old Bill, 1, #680 of 1846 🔗

He has been efficient if nothing else…

256943 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JHuntz, #681 of 1846 🔗

and Comrade Stalin Starmer without doubt the worse LOTO ever.

256672 ▶▶ chris, replying to JHuntz, 7, #682 of 1846 🔗

You need to stop thinking that there will ever be fair elections again. Tories and LibLab are captured by foreign and globalist entities. We are heading for Dictocracy.

256703 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chris, 3, #683 of 1846 🔗

Yep clear as day part of this is a global coup from competing interests. I still live in hope that the current scumbags in parliament will pay for this, however corrupt the current system is.

256807 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JHuntz, #684 of 1846 🔗

Global coup from whom, precisely? Nobody has the resources for this.

257087 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #685 of 1846 🔗

Nobody has the resources for this.

That you know about. Nice proof.

257464 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, #686 of 1846 🔗

Not for me to prove the negative. For the instigator to prove his position. That’s how it works. So I repeat: global coup from whom? Nobody has the resources to do this against every other country in the world.

257988 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #687 of 1846 🔗

You instigated the position that ‘nobody has the resources’.

Been on the vino ? 🙂

256676 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHuntz, 3, #688 of 1846 🔗

People can’t see beyond a two party state lens for anything. So if the Tories do jot survive we get Labour and their rinse and repeat but with added wokery. Society crumbles all because we are not bothered about truth really.

256680 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JHuntz, 4, #689 of 1846 🔗

The world is under occupation by the Covid Cabal (WEF, Pharma, Bill Gates, the banks?…)

Only Belarus said ‘No’. It’s not a party politics issue. A whole government needs to stand up to a global aggressor. I’m not hopeful

256809 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, #690 of 1846 🔗

Wrong target.

256684 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JHuntz, 2, #691 of 1846 🔗

The government cancelled elections. Given the harm that has been inflicted, if you were in power, would you want to instate elections?

256741 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to JHuntz, 2, #692 of 1846 🔗

The string-pullers have no intention that ‘the vaccine’ will allow for a return to normality.
Masks and social distancing will still be imposed. Restrictions on groups will remain.
What is planned is privileged status (right to travel, enter the workplace, access leisure and entertainment venues) for those who have the first shot, then the booster and then the annuals.
Basically vaccines in perpetuity.
At the same time as pushing national debt ever higher and higher.
A new coronavirus strain ‘comes along’ and et voila, you have a requirement for annual shots.
Though unlike the flu shot, these will be de facto mandatory.

(Plus the lipid nanoparticle delivery system as used in the RNA vaccines has rather good trojan horse potential.)

Frankly, Labour (plus Sturgeon et al) are a complete waste of space, wrapped up in their own dogma and wokeness, such as they are.

This is the reality that Tory MP’s, (those who retain some capacity for independent thought) need to realise.

256759 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #693 of 1846 🔗

I don’t believe politicians are ignorant to the agenda. I’ve seen photos of Nicola Sturgeon shaking hands with Bill Gates. Now she’s destroying the Scottish economy and curtailing freedoms for her fellow Scots whilst SNP politicians break lockdown rules with impunity

256743 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to JHuntz, 6, #694 of 1846 🔗

The awful truth, as we have witnessed for many years now, is that very many otherwise mentally able people get their information from radio/tv and perhaps a newspaper. As a result, they are relatively easily misled, are certainly badly misinformed, and are consequently unable to interpret the evidence of their own eyes – indeed they avert their eyes whenever a narrative is expressed which contradicts their particular received wisdom. They are comfortable with and in their ignorance and will thank nobody for challenging it, regardless of their level of education or life experience. The obvious explanation for this is cognitive dissonance on an unprecedented scale, driven by the deliberate use of applied behavioural psychology and other forms of insidious mind control, no tinfoil is needed to recognise these phenomena. That we are now in crisis is self evident but until sufficient numbers of those affected find a way to reconnect with reality, to reinvigorate the vigilance which is vital to their and our liberty, we will stagger on from pillar to post along the rocky road to a totalitarian dystopia. Our entire political class have become useful idiots, detached from their fundamental raison d’etre which is to protect us from the very thing which they are now overseeing: the controlled demolition of our society. Under these circumstances, one might argue, the political distinctions between the parties are academic in that they are all travelling in the same direction, no matter the small differences in their mode of transport. We face a Herculean task: we need to clean out the stables and start again.

256758 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHuntz, 4, #695 of 1846 🔗

Our voting system is broken, the party system is totally broken, there is no democracy in the UK. No fringe parties will every make any difference with FPP voting. Look at UKIP all those votes and just one MP. It’s pointless voting.
Mass spoiling of ballot papers on the other hand could be much more effective if only people saw it as a viable option. A mass vote of no-confidence in our totally corrupt and broken party system.

256763 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Two-Six, 4, #696 of 1846 🔗

I have said in Scotland I will be voting none of the above. Our parliament is a complete joke.

256774 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to JHuntz, #697 of 1846 🔗

Alliance 4 unity say anyone elected will sit as an independent. Might be worth a try, candidates mostly not career politicians.

256795 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JHuntz, 5, #698 of 1846 🔗

No. When younger I couldn’t fathom the visceral hatred so many, and not just on the Left, had for the Conservative Party. I now understand. Add to that the Labour Party, LibDems, Plaid Cymru, SNP, and the Green Party, and you have my current political view.

256650 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #699 of 1846 🔗

“The Treasury has also taken interest in a report by think tank Centre for Policy Studies that suggested a three-year freeze could save £23bn by 2023, or £15bn if NHS workers were exempt” That should concentrate a few minds. Three years? Better end the lockdown now or else .

256660 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #700 of 1846 🔗

£23 billion? chicken feed!

256829 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to steve_w, 1, #701 of 1846 🔗

Wont be any chickens – avian flu you know. Chicken covid if you will.

256670 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to crimsonpirate, #702 of 1846 🔗

3 years is certainly much longer. It becomes an easy horse to whip. 3 weeks to flatten the curve gets its year anniversary March and we already know Lockdowns will still be here if there is no mass rejection and non compliance.

256651 Sharon, replying to Sharon, 3, #703 of 1846 🔗

On the unlocking theme, Dr Mike Yeadon has done a new interview with Unlocked on “Why Lockdown was a mistake” that is well worth a watch.

It’s gone! Apparently violates You Tube’s sensitivities.

256674 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Sharon, 4, #704 of 1846 🔗

I think, as a good example as to show people who believe they are being told the truth, the fact YouTube banned this calm, reasoned video by a serious and highly qualified scientist is great propaganda for us. If they are shutting down stuff like this, it makes them look like the fanatics. Will be sending to a number of lockdownistas I know and ask them to tell me why they think this was banned

256939 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to jakehadlee, #705 of 1846 🔗

I think of YouTube, Facebook and Twitter and I see North Korea, China style tyranny

I can’t count the number of times I’ve clicked on a YouTube video which has been removed. The Reiner Fuellmich video which received 1.5m views was deleted. F**k YouTube

256822 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sharon, #706 of 1846 🔗

It’s in various other places now

256662 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to calchas, 7, #708 of 1846 🔗

Level 5: Military deployed to a town centre near you
Level 6: Shoot on sight orders issued?
Level 7: Forced entry into your home + forced vaccination for all residents?
Level 8: Public flogging and executions of “deniers”
Level 9: Do we really need a level 9? Why not… No children allowed to be born, any that are will be confiscated by the government at birth

It’s fun this – central government planning sounds like a game of “How far will they let us push them” combined with “how to boil a frog”

256675 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #709 of 1846 🔗

As has happened in history, people will intentionally break curfews to get shot by the military as a form of suicide. Brainwashed sheep and the media will label them disease spreaders and soldiers will probably receive a bonus

256678 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Ben, 3, #710 of 1846 🔗

If we let it get that far, it really is time to “take one of the bastards with you”

257083 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to captainbeefheart, #711 of 1846 🔗

If you can only manage one, fair enough I guess. 🙂

256666 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, #712 of 1846 🔗

Cyberspace against the likes of us.

256658 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #713 of 1846 🔗

Jeremy Vine show approx. 13.00 this afternoon.

‘Why is Track’n’Trace only
finding 50% of contacts ! ?

Is it because of poor management ! ?

Is it because the public are non-compliant ! ?’

1pm this afternoon Radio 2 !

256664 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 2, #714 of 1846 🔗

50% is a stretch.

The worrying thing is the narrative is moving to Labours solution which is just to spend more billions moving T And T into local NHS bodies to run. Like they don’t want to consider at all that mass screening once an epidemic has come and gone is a massive waste of resources. Fundamentally acknowledged by the WHO guidance pre 2020.

It’s just all polticis to these people. They don’t care about your health one but.

256677 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #715 of 1846 🔗

When you consider it’s costing £100bn (effectively one year of NHS funding). It’s carried out in labs that wouldn’t be out of place in a school chemistry room. Leading to lockdowns that by my estimations have cost +300bn public borrowing not to mention the consequential cost in loss of business and jobs and a +20% drop in GDP. It has to be without doubt one of the most pointless and incalculably expensive investments ever.

256687 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JHuntz, 3, #716 of 1846 🔗

And yet when they announced extra defence spending there were questions in the house and ITN had a big piece about the costing.

256691 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #717 of 1846 🔗

and is that not 50% of contacts rather than 50% of people to be contacted. We have all heard the stories of many people being contacted numerous times by different contact agents following the same initiating contact because the system cannot control this.

256733 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #718 of 1846 🔗

When PCR tests are not fit for purpose and healthy people are being declared unwell – it’s not mass screening – it’s mass tyranny

I don’t know why people can’t see this

256665 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 6, #719 of 1846 🔗

Why do we need the f***ing thing?

We never had this for cold and flu in previous years

256721 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 5, #720 of 1846 🔗

I have absolutely no idea. Sick people stay at home because they’re sick, healthy people don’t stay at home because they’re healthy. Since when was this soo difficult for the world to understand? Science and experts can f$$k off this is absolute common sense.

256730 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to karenovirus, 3, #721 of 1846 🔗

According to an article in the Torygraph this morning 90% of people that are being contacted are ignoring self-isolation anyway so does it really matter how many they contact and did it ever matter?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/19/will-no-boris-reset-breaks-endless-lockdown-cycle/

256755 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to karenovirus, 5, #722 of 1846 🔗

That word compliant always grates on me, and for good reason, and almost another clue of their intentions. Normally, discourse used when relating to instructions, rules would be to follow the rules, or more strongly obey the rules. Comply with the rules infers obedience due to weakness or subservience – so why choose this word? Rhetoric.

256679 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 5, #723 of 1846 🔗

Every single feature in the mainstream media on protests, marches or ordinary people resisting lockdowns have basically been hack pieces attacking people personally. Until we stop giving money to their publications I can’t see them softening their stance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_0YAj4uANc
ITV interview I secretly filmed…..
‘I wanted to film this interview with the ITV that’s airing tonight 18/11/20. It gives you an insight as to how they try make it out that you’re responsible for the Rona deaths or at least in some way try make you responsible for the deaths. They say it’s because they want to be the opposition to the argument but in truth if I was representing BLM or any other party that fits the agenda of division then they’d be asking questions that support my notion rather than try to character assassinate me.’

256711 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Darryl, 4, #724 of 1846 🔗

we all knew that MSM were shilling for the government but this is appalling . i always thought that the basis of good journalism was objectivity. the girl conducting the interview has none and is clearly following the agenda

256744 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to mjr, 2, #725 of 1846 🔗

I really disappoints me that so many people know the MSM is outright lying yet they pay for their product daily, whilst independent journalists survive on next to nothing. I guess the public get want they deserve.

256930 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, #726 of 1846 🔗

I haven’t had a television in 20 years. I don’t miss it

256853 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Darryl, #727 of 1846 🔗

I watched his video, but haven’t seen the footage that ITV eventually aired?

the presenter was so persistent asking the same questions over and over and continued. Paul did extremely well

256883 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Darryl, #728 of 1846 🔗

Michael Ballweg, the initiator of Querdenken in Germany, records all of his interviews with MSM so he can prove when they twist his words.

257069 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, #729 of 1846 🔗

All credit to him. Keeps his cool despite being goaded by the interviewer and her inflated stats.

“What do you want to say to those on ventilators?” is the worst question. Total gaslighting

256685 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #730 of 1846 🔗

Priti Patel
Perhaps Idi Amin had a point?

256772 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to MutzNutz, #731 of 1846 🔗

Steady the Buffs!

256689 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 16, #732 of 1846 🔗

From the Soon-to-be-Tier -4th – Dimension front line: anger is growing, despair and resentment and frustration are spreading, but still no resistance worth mentioning.

The two women at the local beauty salon whom I know well, have just told me how thoroughly disgusted they are,as the latest closure looms.

They think The Dear Leader is completely out of touch, has become little more than a control addict, and that she should be gone!

They had gradually been getting back to normal, when Tier 4 landed,with its 3 week suspension of business.

Many small businesses here will not survive this latest assault .

The owner of the salon-whose husband has had no work since March-also told me that a WPC friend of hers reported a truly awful incident: a man was discovered lying across the local railway line and found just in time by the WPC and her colleague.

They took him in a severely distressed state to our local hospital where he was seen and discharged, as not in any immediate danger!

Meanwhile, the local numpties are all out and about masked up in the fresh air; a more protective variety is now appearing.

What is wrong with people?

256702 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to wendyk, 8, #733 of 1846 🔗

I am not Scottish, but I lived and worked there for several years. Does the Scottish Fishwife really think she can stop you having Hogmanay?

If you succumb to that proposition I think you will have to rename your folk heroes – Cowardfart and Robert the Truce.

256714 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Old Bill, 6, #734 of 1846 🔗

We should renege on the national anthem. All this freedom fighting talk is utter bollocks.

256731 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Old Bill, 5, #735 of 1846 🔗

She’s still maintaining her grip on the faithful,although many now think she’s mad!

The panic buying has now started again, as could have been predicted.

256715 ▶▶ Ben, replying to wendyk, 5, #736 of 1846 🔗

The destruction of the economy is planned unfortunately. It’s for the Great (Fascist) Reset. An upward transfer of wealth

256760 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 8, #737 of 1846 🔗

I have never seen any consideration for the self employed or small independent businesses in the Great Reset plans. It is all designed by elite technocrats to benefit mega corporations. Sadly most small business owners are still hostile to the idea and fully support lockdown, so I guess many will find out the hard way.

256735 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to wendyk, 14, #738 of 1846 🔗

I am now convinced that the destruction of small businesses is a deliberate policy. The essential thing about small businesses, which have been under attack from civil servants since 1999, is that they are independent and civil servants and politicians do not like people who are independent. People who are independent have the ability and strength to defy government agents and agencies and so (from the view of politicians and civil servants) must be eliminated. This is what happened to the kulaks (prosperous peasants) in Soviet Russia in the early 1920s.
I am very sorry to hear of this story. It is becoming all too frequent.

256742 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Stephanos, 9, #739 of 1846 🔗

There’s no doubt that a significant portion of the political class hates small independent businesses for various reasons.

256756 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Liam, 9, #740 of 1846 🔗

As the son of a landlord I can tell you they hate pubs. You can thank Alistair Darling for the current excessive price of a pint.

256820 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to JHuntz, 4, #741 of 1846 🔗

As someone who loves pubs dearly, I completely agree. They are the parliament of the people, and we can’t be having that can we?

258067 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Liam, #742 of 1846 🔗

They are all Communitarians. Mark Windows, Windows on the World.

256781 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Stephanos, 1, #743 of 1846 🔗

Yes, I’ve been reading many books on Russian history recently and learnt about the purging of the kulaks.

The same will happen here

256824 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to wendyk, 1, #744 of 1846 🔗

Robert Conquest’s “Harvest of Sorrow” is a brilliant, if harrowing read.

256926 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Stephanos, 1, #745 of 1846 🔗

It’s not the same. The Corona Scandal is an attack by the billionaire class

Big fish eating the smaller fish

Billionaires are turning into trillionaires at the expense of millionaires and small businesses. It’s a massive upwards transfer of wealth

257079 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Stephanos, #746 of 1846 🔗

I am now convinced that the destruction of small businesses is a deliberate policy.

So soon ? What gave them away ?

🙂

256717 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 7, #747 of 1846 🔗

On Simon Dolan’s twitter feed. The result of a FOI request.

256728 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DocRC, 1, #748 of 1846 🔗

Some of the comments suggest it only covers about 14k people, but massively interesting nonetheless.

256738 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #749 of 1846 🔗

Yes, this NHS trust covers community, mental health and learning disability services, not hospitals, so I would not be surprised at all by their response. Let’s be careful not to get carried away!

256779 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, #750 of 1846 🔗

Yes – important to understand. Ink

256736 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to DocRC, 1, #751 of 1846 🔗

That is nuts.

256818 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to JHuntz, #752 of 1846 🔗

So are all trusts legally required to provide an answer to that question?

256727 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 1, #753 of 1846 🔗
257077 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nsklent, #754 of 1846 🔗

🙂 🙂 🙂

256734 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 23, #755 of 1846 🔗

It is pretty amazing that 99.9% of the population still don’t seem to realise we live in country with very heavily censored and controlled media. When a ex-BBC journalist who always plays it safe is censored you know it is bad. I don’t expect the MSM will care as propaganda not journalism is their new profession.

From Anna Brees, Twitter account –

‘This is very serious indeed, I now have a 7 day ban from Facebook and a 14 day ban from YouTube and am at risk of losing my channel. Everything I have published has been within the law, so yes this is terrifying.’

256790 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Darryl, 4, #756 of 1846 🔗

That’s why I send things like the Yeadon video to friends who doubt censorship.

Had a reply from one of my friends who I sent the video to this morning.

Me: Hi, XXXXX – If you still don’t believe there is deliberate silencing of credible scientific voices on the Rona on mainstream platforms, have a watch of this and tell my why you think YouTube banned it. Check out the guys credentials at the beginning of the video (no tin-foil hats in sight!)

MT: Ok. watched it,yes. Worrying. Is there more to it?

256811 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to jakehadlee, #757 of 1846 🔗

What more do they want?????

256887 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to CGL, #758 of 1846 🔗

I think they meant more as to why the video was taken down – presumably as they couldn’t understand why it would be taken down from the content

256912 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to jakehadlee, #759 of 1846 🔗

That must be it yes

256918 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Darryl, 1, #760 of 1846 🔗

Surely by now anyone who even suspects they might want to say anything genuinely controversial should know enough to invest their efforts in alternative platforms such as bitchute rather than the big tech establishment outfits.

I suppose a lot of the problem is that most of these people genuinely didn’t think the rules they supported being applied to politically incorrect bad people” and “bad opinions”, that they didn’t approve of, would ever be applied to them.

256737 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 35, #761 of 1846 🔗

My friends husband is in the police force and she said there is a real increase in mental health call outs that he has to attend.
My sisters colleague found his brother dead the other day from suicide.
My friends husband was admitted to hospital yesterday after a mass was discovered in his lungs from an X Ray….she can not visit him at all or be by his side when he gets dreaded MRI and CT scan results today.
I had to collect some of my kids Christmas gifts in Argos this morning and felt so sad at the sea of masked people and couldn’t wait to get out and back home. Although I did see one lady in the queue with another sunflower lanyard.

Just feeling very sad and low today with all of this covid shit and needed to vent. It can suck the energy and happiness out of you.

256765 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Janice21, 11, #762 of 1846 🔗

Sorry to hear this 🙁

(this is the sort of post that I don’t like to “up vote”, but I think we’ll all hear more things like this in the coming months)

🙁 🙁 🙁

256775 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Janice21, 6, #763 of 1846 🔗

I totally understand how you feel

256778 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Janice21, 16, #764 of 1846 🔗

Stuff like this is the tip of the iceberg. Destruction of everything we laughingly call society is total, everything is smashed to bits.
I am almost past caring now. I am on another level. Bring it on.
It’s got to get worse before the idiot sheeple will understand what is being done to them.

256806 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 5, #765 of 1846 🔗

My issue is the kids. I cant protect them if i cant protect myself. It’s just too scary

256924 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Janice21, 3, #766 of 1846 🔗

Very sad to hear this. We’ll be seeing more of this especially after Christmas.

Reading about this makes my blood boil especially after reading Nadine Dorries’ loathsome tweet – she should be sent more of incidents like this to see if she can still deny that there’s a connection between lockdowns and suicide.

257073 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #767 of 1846 🔗

I hate my MP…
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256739 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #768 of 1846 🔗

Latest ONS Infection Survey out. This is an attempt to broadly estimate the community prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in England and Wales (or more accurately the percentage of the community who would test positive using the PCR methodology they use) through random sampling methods.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/latest

During the most recent week (8 November to 14 November 2020), we estimate there were 7.14 new COVID-19 infections for every 10,000 people per day (95% credible interval: 6.29 to 8.09) in the community population in England, equating to around 38,900 new cases per day (95% credible interval: 34,300 to 44,100); the incidence rate appears to have levelled off in recent weeks.

The raw figures over past weeks of estimated number of new positives for SARS-CoV-2 under a PCR test (what they call ‘infections’) per 10,000 population for England are

Week to 23rd October: 9.52
Week to 6th November 2020: 8.38
Week to 31st October: 8.75
Week to 7th November: 7.14

So the trend downwards that occurred before the latest lockdown from the highest figure of 9.52 for the week ending 23rd October continues.

See the report and graphs for information for both Wales and England

256749 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #769 of 1846 🔗

downturn agrees with kcl symptom tracker

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

no need for lockdowns as all they do is kill and impoverish people

256751 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #770 of 1846 🔗

The problem is, of course, the measuring instrument, which gives results of unknown significance.

256764 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #771 of 1846 🔗

It’s not letting me edit at the moment but couple of dates mixed up should be

Week to 23rd October: 9.52
Week to 31st October: 8.38
Week to 6th November: 8.75
Week to 14th November: 7.14

256784 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #772 of 1846 🔗

And here’s the regional variation

Strange they say ‘Over the last week, positivity rates have continued to rise in London, East of England and the South East’ when it doesn’t look like the South East is rising from their graph. Strange bias in the title in picking out areas that are rising and ignoring areas that are falling.

256792 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #773 of 1846 🔗

And critically rates falling in the over 70s it appears

256850 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #774 of 1846 🔗

And here is their graph of the reported new (what they call) infections for England back to June. Obviously noise in there but looks like it is coming down nicely and has been for a while

256745 Jay Berger, 6, #775 of 1846 🔗

Testing is medically and epidimiologically useless with these tests, see Mercola’s recent piece.
The only use of our current testing is to create and uphold a panic.
Tracing hasn’t made much difference and completely failed to garner the needed and valuable information, even in more proficient countries like Germany, see Stockman/WSJ article on that.
The UK’s ineptitude in all of that and more is mindboggling, but not all surprising.
The deeply ingrained culture of poor vocational education, abhorring to do detailed planning, overpromising and underdelivering, favoring ones chums/donors with contracts and being unable to take responsibility for ones decisions and mistakes, preferring to focus on avoiding
blame instead, are the true root causes of this.
Therefore alone, the UK was only ever suited to a controlled herd immunity strategy like Sweden’s or the GBD.
And that would also have given its youth a future and be medically much more wise.

256753 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 48, #776 of 1846 🔗

Dodgy and inaccurate PCR tests which are being used to shape the lives of 67 million. Negligent practices in Covid labs. Government scientists using Wikipedia. Test and trace/PPE contracts awarded to cronies. Fraudulent misrepresentation of data to the public by the government and its scientists, who know full well that the public does not have the knowledge, time or inclination required to properly interpret that misrepresented data. Suppression of certain scientific studies and viewpoints. Threats to make vaccination mandatory, which would do nothing for uptake and everything for just adding fuel to the fire of the genuine ‘anti-vaxx’ conspiracy theorists.

There is now overwhelming evidence that this stinks to high heaven, and the only reason we haven’t won the argument hands down is because this stuff just is not reported in the mainstream media. If it were, this whole farce would end overnight.

Remember, most people don’t genuinely believe that there is a deadly virus running rampant; they only believe what the MSM tells them. Because if the BBC/Sky/ITV says it, it MUST be true, right…?

256766 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Poppy, 6, #777 of 1846 🔗

…and evrybody else seems to believe it. Why else would they be wearing masks etc etc.?

257402 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to calchas, 2, #778 of 1846 🔗

There are those that wear masks only where they feel obliged to. Then there are those that wear them in the street and near to me, these are often teenagers who somehow think it is cool to look stupid, young mothers with small children and perhaps most often, the old and incapacitated, who would be struggling in any event. Johnson and his gang of thugs have so much blood on their hands.

256769 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Poppy, 6, #779 of 1846 🔗

Well said, Poppy.

256771 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Poppy, 8, #780 of 1846 🔗

The PCR tests are the ingenious and high-tech version of the brownshirts. Tyranny in plain view designed to terrorise us into compliance – ie to accept the vaccines and immunity passports. To surrender our autonomy and freedom

256958 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Poppy, 3, #781 of 1846 🔗

You are absolutely right in your post Poppy, but what really worries me is this. Against covid misrepresentation we have endless facts, figures, graphs, tables and expert opinions to fight back with. Against the man made climate change lobby, which is the next battle assuming this one ever ends, we have no such weapons at our disposal as ‘facts’ in climate change arguments are non-existent and it would take centuries to prove anything one way or the other. So if we can’t win the covid argument with such an arsenal of weapons at our disposal what chance do we have against the climate zealots and their self destructive religion?

To paraphrase an old advert – “The future is bleak, the future is green”.

256754 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #782 of 1846 🔗

Data is out today for the UK public accounts in October. All amounts billions.

Current (cantral government) Spending: 71.3

Central government Taxes: 39.7

“Public sector net borrowing (PSNB ex) in the first seven months of this financial year (April to October 2020) is estimated to have been £214.9 billion, £169.1 billion more than in the same period last year and the highest public sector borrowing in any April to October period since records began in 1993.”

“Public sector net debt excluding public sector banks (PSND ex) rose by £276.3 billion in the first seven months of the financial year to reach £2,076.8 billion at the end of October 2020,”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/october2020

256786 ▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 5, #783 of 1846 🔗

Don’t you just love those cautious, small government, low spending “Conservatives”, eh?

256804 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 7, #784 of 1846 🔗

The whole financial system has to be on the brink of collapse. Is it any wonder that the powers that be have become increasingly totalitarian.

256815 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 5, #785 of 1846 🔗

Markus Krall is predicting Eurozone hyperinflation within 15 months. Banks business model has been destroyed by negative interest rates. This erosion of their equity is now accelerating as lockdown takes more and more businesses into the red zone, where they cannot service their debts.

Who is Markus Krall?

He designed 80% of the risk management systems which banks in Germany use to assess credit quality, so he knows what he is talking about.

256768 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #786 of 1846 🔗

For those who haven’t yet seen it.
The infamous video from the end of the US Taskforce briefing back in April , when the mic was left on and two media guys were chatting away….
It suggests that all those in on the subterfuge had already been vaccinated, and that it was already known by then that the IFR was 0.1-0.3 percent.
This was long before Trump knew what was going on.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/JUPJ8EYxHdMi/

256812 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #787 of 1846 🔗

Amazingly they have half dozen vaccines already in the bag, some cynics might think this was planned some time ago. 😉

256776 Voz 0db, 8, #788 of 1846 🔗

PHE Finally Recognises T-Cell Immunity

Since the first papers everyone with a FUNCTIONING BRAIN could see that this alleged “new” virus is BS! It was clear since January 2020 that it was/is (assuming the existence!) extremely weak one.

What BETTER EVIDENCE can there be?!

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FUN FACT: In reality we’ve ZERO “covid-19” label deaths…

Enjoy the CIRCUS! A bright FUTURE awaits us in 2030!

256780 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 8, #789 of 1846 🔗

“Stress weakens the immune system”

Friends, relaxation strengthen health.
What the Research Shows
“Stressed out? Lonely or depressed? Don’t be surprised if you come down with something. Psychologists in the field of “psychoneuroimmunology” have shown that state of mind affects one’s state of health.
In the early 1980s, psychologist Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, PhD, and immunologist Ronald Glaser, PhD, of the Ohio State University College of Medicine, were intrigued by animal studies that linked stress and infection. From 1982 through 1992, these pioneer researchers studied medical students. Among other things, they found that the students’ immunity went down every year under the simple stress of the three-day exam period. Test takers had fewer natural killer cells, which fight tumors and viral infections. They almost stopped producing immunity-boosting gamma interferon and infection-fighting T-cells responded only weakly to test-tube stimulation.
Those findings opened the floodgates of research. By 2004, Suzanne Segerstrom, PhD, of the University of Kentucky, and Gregory Miller, PhD, of the University of British Columbia, had nearly 300 studies on stress and health to review. Their meta-analysis discerned intriguing patterns. Lab studies that stressed people for a few minutes found a burst of one type of “first responder” activity mixed with other signs of weakening. For stress of any significant duration – from a few days to a few months or years, as happens in real life – all aspects of immunity went downhill. Thus long-term or chronic stress, through too much wear and tear, can ravage the immune system.
The meta-analysis also revealed that people who are older or already sick are more prone to stress-related immune changes. For example, a 2002 study by Lyanne McGuire, PhD, of John Hopkins School of Medicine with Kiecolt-Glaser and Glaser reported that even chronic, sub-clinical mild depression may suppress an older person’s immune system . Participants in the study were in their early 70s and caring for someone with Alzheimer’s disease. Those with chronic mild depression had weaker lymphocyte-T cell responses to two mitogens, which model how the body responds to viruses and bacteria. The immune response was down even 18 months later, and immunity declined with age. In line with the 2004 meta-analysis, it appeared that the key immune factor was duration, not severity, of depression. And in the case of the older caregivers, their depression and age meant a double-whammy for immunity.
The researchers noted that lack of social support has been reported in the research as a risk factor for depression, an insight amplified in a 2005 study of college students. Health psychologists Sarah Pressman, PhD, Sheldon Cohen, PhD, and fellow researchers at Carnegie Mellon University’s Laboratory for the Study of Stress, Immunity and Disease, found that social isolation and feelings of loneliness each independently weakened first-year students’ immunity.
In the study, students got flu shots at the university health center, described their social networks, and kept track of their day-to-day feelings using a handheld computer (a new technique called “momentary ecological awareness”). They also provided saliva samples for measuring levels of the stress hormone cortisol. Small networks and loneliness each independently weakened immunity to a core vaccine component. Immune response was most weakened by the combination of loneliness and small social networks, an obvious health stress facing shy new students who have yet to build their friendship circles.”

https://www.apa.org/research/action/immune

Do we think they don’t know this?

Worth a full read…

256785 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #790 of 1846 🔗

That’s incredibly OLD NEWS (for me at least)… To the large majority we can assume is novelty! After all that same vast majority is wearing masks!

256793 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Kevin 2, 7, #791 of 1846 🔗

Do we think they don’t know this?

Of course they know… HENCE the

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EVERY TOOLS they have that help achieving that MAIN GOAL will be use. From stress to misery! If by 2030 the number of human cattle is still too large, we can only expect more…

256798 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Kevin 2, 8, #792 of 1846 🔗

My brother said in day 1 that isolation alone will kill the vulnerable – especially the elderly. It can only have been part of the plan – it is too well known a fact.

256801 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Kevin 2, 8, #793 of 1846 🔗

The government is deliberately weakening our immune systems, all their measures are harming us. They ignore our immune systems which have for the most part kept us healthy, their insane dependence on vaccines which are not properly vetted are criminal.

256830 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #794 of 1846 🔗

they’ve given many people 3 winters in a row.

256789 kf99, replying to kf99, 4, #795 of 1846 🔗

https://twitter.com/ProfTomkins
MSP questioning whether today’s Sturgeon regulations may actually be illegal. (Presumably Dripford’s also?) Which would be great if he hadn’t actually voted for it…

“Both the Government of Ireland and the UK Government are committed to maintaining the CTA in all circumstances , recognising it pre-dates Irish and UK membership of the European Union and is not dependent on it.” Link

256797 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to kf99, 2, #796 of 1846 🔗

If it’s not clear whether they are ultra vires how about speak to a lawyer. There must be a few in parliament on the take.

256803 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #797 of 1846 🔗

Hi all.

Who sent this leaflet out to houses in Pembrokeshire?

Was it one of us?

If so could you contact us at http://www.covid19assembly.org or send us a copy. It’s too small on the BBC website to read most of the print (surprise surprise).

We want to learn from the experience to se why you were targeted.

Thanks

256874 ▶▶ annie, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #798 of 1846 🔗

Wasn’t me.
Wish it had been.

256805 Gtec, replying to Gtec, 30, #799 of 1846 🔗

Reading through today’s postings and it becomes even more clear that those responsible for all of this, from (toy) modellers to advisory committees, to government have been, and continue to be, criminally negligent when considering their actions; they should be in court, in prison, not power.

Data lifted from Wikipedia? Are you kidding? That is insane. With all due respect to those who work hard to maintain Wiki, it is not, and never can be, used as a verifiable source of information. And I say that as a user and donor.

That so many died in care homes, including a relative, due to the stupidity of those making these life and death decisions, not knowing, not bothering to find out, just plain not thinking about how care homes worked in the first place, is criminal. They are personally responsible for this death toll.

As are all the rest, criminally responsible, for every other death resulting from their ill-thought out decisions and policies; from suicides to cancer deaths due to withheld or interrupted treatment, all these and many more, can be laid at their door.

Court, not in office, is where they belong.

256819 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Gtec, 2, #800 of 1846 🔗

Lifting data from Wikipedia is a totally reasonable thing to do. You’re modelling because you don’t know any better. What is not reasonable is treating a model as “science” or even as a prediction. It’s a basis for investigating further, not a message from the oracle. If the modellers had been totally up front about this we wouldn’t have made such bad decisions.

256826 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Recusant, 4, #801 of 1846 🔗

The worst thing SAGE has done is make policy recommendations based only on covid whilst not considering the effects of lockdown. The same mistake Ferguson made in his paper 9 that got us into the first lockdown

256837 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, 4, #802 of 1846 🔗

Sorry to keep repeating myself, but this really is a must-see. Dr Mike Yeadon – and what he says about ‘SAGE’ at the very end is well worth listening to. Very strong words!

https://www.facebook.com/unlockedunitedkingdom/videos/409747283542470/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5PM5HiL0E

256844 ▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Banjones, 2, #803 of 1846 🔗

Keep spreading it, it’s fantastic.

256869 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Banjones, 2, #804 of 1846 🔗

I’ve got it copied – going to watch with OH tonight 🙂

started watching – its good – but got to work 🙁

256966 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #805 of 1846 🔗

In the end, the composition of SAGE is a decision for politicians – as is the appointment of the government advisors who, in turn control the SAGE agenda.

Blame where blame belongs. That the Chuckle Brothers and confederates haven’t got their P45s is down to Mr Toad and his band of spivs.

256982 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, #806 of 1846 🔗

This makes interesting reading:
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/
Why should we believe anything this self-serving bunch have to say?

256836 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Gtec, 2, #807 of 1846 🔗

Spot on. Therefore, please watch this from Dr Mike Yeadon. It’s all good stuff, but right at the end he has some VERY strong words re ‘SAGE’. But then, he isn’t in anyone’s pocket!

https://www.facebook.com/unlockedunitedkingdom/videos/409747283542470/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5PM5HiL0E

256816 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 26, #808 of 1846 🔗

I’ve realised that when I wear a mask while using my angle grinder I have been protecting the tiles from getting infected! Nothing to do with not breathing in dust etc.

similarly whilst paint spraying in enclosed areas, the mask is stop my spreading diseases to whatever the item I’m painting.

Gosh! Isn’t science clever.

256847 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Alan P, 16, #809 of 1846 🔗

100 social credit points to you, Alan. Let’s hope others learn from your example and do more to protect the materials around them. Tiles across the nation will thank you.

256860 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #810 of 1846 🔗

Thanks. I shall be sending my findings to the Lancet and the BMJ and hope to see these published soon!

256864 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Alan P, 9, #811 of 1846 🔗

Irrefutable evidence is that there have been zero cases and deaths of porcelain tiles and motor bikes and cars with COVID. The masks work!

256868 ▶▶ annie, replying to Alan P, 9, #812 of 1846 🔗

Government figures show that 100,000,000 tiles died from Covid in November.

256999 ▶▶▶ Athanasius, replying to annie, 5, #813 of 1846 🔗

A few tools got infected too. Boris, for one.

256821 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #814 of 1846 🔗

Shit predictions based on flaky models, disproved within hours of being publicised

Not looking good for the climate change fanatics is it?

256841 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 11, #815 of 1846 🔗

The Climate Change models’ predictions have always been shown to be wrong and the errors have always been in the same direction.

256866 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #816 of 1846 🔗

as they say, history rhymes!

256867 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #817 of 1846 🔗

started with the Hockey Stick and went downhill from there

256873 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mjr, 1, #818 of 1846 🔗

hoho!

257037 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mjr, #819 of 1846 🔗

I heard that Joe Biden has picked Michael Mann for his Climate Change policy expert.

256909 ▶▶ leggy, replying to steve_w, 1, #820 of 1846 🔗

I’m convinced we’re being sacrificed on the altar of climate “science” at the moment. Or at least that’s a significant layer in the deception.

256986 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, #821 of 1846 🔗
256825 Inlakesh, 5, #822 of 1846 🔗

Response to the propaganda cough-vid video made by the German government:
https://is.gd/nGodZN

256827 karenovirus, 9, #823 of 1846 🔗

Attention Bournemouth.

Excellent copy in the accompanying article.

256831 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 9, #824 of 1846 🔗

I haven’t yet read much of today’s stuff here – but just in case it hasn’t been mentioned, THIS by Dr Mike Yeadon is a must. And it should be shared far and wide. I’m about to send it to my MP – not that her minions will allow her to watch it if they notice what it is.
(Two links in case one disappears…)

https://www.facebook.com/unlockedunitedkingdom/videos/409747283542470/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5PM5HiL0E

256862 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Banjones, 3, #825 of 1846 🔗

wonder how long this youtube link lasts before it is taken down like the last posting. note that there is a bitchute link mentioned on this page aswell for when it does disappear.
As Jack Nicholson says in A few good men. . You tube .. You cannot handle the truth

256876 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to mjr, #826 of 1846 🔗

The YouTube video by Yeadon had been taken down bu 8am today!

256884 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to DocRC, #827 of 1846 🔗

I’ve just gone to the link and it’s working OK. I’m downloading it just in case.

DavidC

256889 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DocRC, 1, #828 of 1846 🔗

Horrific censorship.

256992 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DocRC, #829 of 1846 🔗

This one is still up and running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1onx7LaNio

256902 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to mjr, #830 of 1846 🔗

Bitchute here, just finished watching it. An outstanding summary of fact and informed opinion.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0JWur5LNePt/

256832 Liam, 24, #831 of 1846 🔗

Just think. When the last veteran of Bomber Command – which suffered a 46% death rate in WW2 – dies, some halfwit in a high-vis vest will tell his grandchildren and great-grandchildren they’re granny murderers if they hug his widow.

256839 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #832 of 1846 🔗

In 1347 a novel disease arrived in Europe. It killed on a massive scale. There was fear and panic. The king of France called on the continent’s most learned experts to study the disease and make recommendations for the well-being of the people. The experts found that washing rendered people susceptible and they recommended that people avoid washing. As a result, for centuries, the people of Europe avoided washing like the plague.

Does anyone seriously think that the contemporary experts, Valance and Whitty and the rest of SAGE etc, are not, just like their fourteenth century counterparts, dishing out wrong and harmful advice?

256888 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #833 of 1846 🔗

I can see Sir Patrick Vallance the bold Knight pinning his illuminated scroll to the castle tapestry and explaining to King Boris how, although it is not a prediction, “it doth demonstrate with much force the great evils of the washing of bodily parts with injurious soap or like substances”.

256998 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to OKUK, 1, #834 of 1846 🔗

Dr Mike Yeadon said a while ago that he’d asked Vallance, as they’re contemporaries and know one another, to speak to him about the situation, and he never got a reply.

257031 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Banjones, 1, #835 of 1846 🔗

Vallance knows that Yeadon knows that Vallance has been telling the public things that Vallance knows to be false. I think it is easy to see why Vallance would prefer to avoid that conversation.

256843 Mark, replying to Mark, 12, #837 of 1846 🔗

PM’s standards adviser QUITS as Boris Johnson refuses to sack Priti Patel after bullying probe finds she DID break ministerial code as Home Secretary apologises for ‘my behaviour in the past’ Patel (top) breached the requirements in the ministerial code to treat civil servants with consideration and respect, according to leaks of the long-awaited investigation into the Cabinet minister. Normally ministers are expected to resign if they breach the code, but the Prime Minister (bottom right) makes the final decision. The Government’s independent adviser on standards, Sir Alex Allan (bottom left) is understood to have concluded that Ms Patel had ‘not consistently met the high standards required by the ministerial code’. But she will be allowed to keep her job by Boris Johnson after Sir Alex’s report found that any bullying was ‘unintentional’. He handed her another get-out-of-jail free card by also including heavy criticism of the senior civil servants that she worked with

No more reason for any conservative (as opposed to “Conservative”) to come to the aid of Patel than there was for Cummings – these useless non-conservative frauds have governed, in this and previous “Conservative” regimes, in just about the most unconservative manner it would be possible to achieve, short (perhaps) of an outright Labour government under Corbyn.

Panicked by a glorified cold into collectivist radicalism, big government deficit spending and illiberal repression, all out of a desperate worship of the quintessential socialist shibboleth the NHS. Doing next to nothing, despite three supposedly “Conservative” governments in succession and a huge majority this time, about the mass immigration initiated by Blair in 1997 with the intent to impose radical, irreversible change on the nation and “rub the right’s noses in diversity”. Allowing – indeed cheerleading and funding – ever increasing pc repression and bullying, with ongoing “positive discrimination” cleansing of non-leftist figures and institutions, and sitting by in near-silent inactivity while mobs of BLM and other pc thugs intimidate traditionalists, and police “take the knee” and actively attack either those responding to that intimidation or those protesting the aforementioned panic response to the latest coronavitus.

No reason to forget those outrages, or to forgive any member of this deplorable government on the basis of partisan loyalty. Give the likes of Patel and Cummings all the support they’ve given to most of the people sacked and persecuted for expressing un-pc opinions over the years – none at all.

256852 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mark, 8, #838 of 1846 🔗

Do what you want, spend what you want, kill who you want. It doesn’t matter any more.

256855 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #839 of 1846 🔗

That’s the spirit…

257063 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #840 of 1846 🔗

Let me just add… Start killing “scientists” promoting the scam, jesters (aka politicians and other public officials), billionaires and if lucky the OWNERS!

Don’t start killing your fellow moron slave… I won’t do any good. At least for now!

256879 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mark, #841 of 1846 🔗

She’s not vety bright.

DavidC

256935 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 2, #842 of 1846 🔗

This is the main message of Covid – You can get away with anything.

256987 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Mark, #843 of 1846 🔗

They weren’t panicked into this , they knew it was coming. Boris’s job is to bumble around doing bad things while appearing not to enjoy it.

watch or read his speech to the UN 74th council in September 2019 – very odd subject matter.

256849 mjr, replying to mjr, 13, #845 of 1846 🔗

Just watched last night’s BBC programme
in the first few minutes it quoted “50000 died FROM covid” so we already know where this is going.
Basically the premise is that lockdown 1 was too late, the data (you know, the “positive test = case” and dying “of covid, not with covid”) meant the modelling was underestimated (and showing Ferguson lying).
throw in a couple of irrelevant examples of people dying WITH covid for tearjerking affect
and people saying that the number of cases underestimated (spoken by a doctor in an empty room wearing a mask!)
And all the conspirators having a go with hindsight at justifying their actions or giving their excuses.
So the whole programme following the narrative. Not a critical interviewer, not a question at all about the fundamental issue of what the definitions of the data are and whether it is correctly being used, no comment on the effect of lockdown.
Basically a whitewash. Made channel 4’s Dispatches on monday look like incisive journalism. Oh for the honesty and credibility of RT

256870 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to mjr, 3, #846 of 1846 🔗

as expected then

256877 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to mjr, 9, #847 of 1846 🔗

No one believes the BBC about anything anymore. If Panorama were to tell me the Moon is not made of cheese I would begin to think it was looking a little bit cheddary.

256881 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 1, #848 of 1846 🔗

I wish but much of my family still do, same with other MSM outlets.

257028 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to OKUK, 1, #849 of 1846 🔗

Think ripe camembert left languishing in a warm room for several months. Is it in any way surprising that we are cheesed off?!

257034 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to OKUK, #850 of 1846 🔗

Unfortunately they do though

256886 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to mjr, 3, #851 of 1846 🔗

I watched it too. I don’t disagree that the principle idea was that the lockdown came too late. But there is within that false narrative a lot of damming by their own admission of SAGE members and also zero praise for the Government. The end credits where they threw all the Governments own spin up on screen to underline how much they did not do what they claimed to have done was quite effective. Lockdown does not work, we know that, everyone knows that. But there is an element that you can understand when there is growing panic at the time. Hindsight very clear , actually unquestionably, proves lockdowns to be a folly. That was not what it was expected to be in March. I got the sense that no one seriously expected more than a few weeks and then back to reasonably normal.

One of the other take always was that they did not ever think society would embrace lockdown the way that it has. That’s chilling I think.

As is the very sobering reality that they had the wrong type of “experts” on SAGE. The UK’s leading Cronovirus expert was not even engaged !!! Wow.

256890 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Leemc23, 11, #852 of 1846 🔗

The notion that it was not perfectly predictable that lockdown would cause more harm than the virus ever could is simply false. Before the 23 March lockdown people did predict it. I was one. Here’s what I said on 20 March: https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-and-fear-mongering.html

256901 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #853 of 1846 🔗

Interesting. Thanks.

257006 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, #854 of 1846 🔗

Trouble is, we recognise now that it was actually nothing to do with danger from a virus, but everything to do with coercion, manipulation, control and subjugation. To soften us up, divide and rule, so much easier to bring in the Great Reset.

256931 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, 1, #855 of 1846 🔗

Lockdown was slipped in under the wire. Even tho’ it had never been proposed as a measure in strategic documents, all discussion was simply about controlling the demands on the NHS – ‘flattening the curve’ with a short-term restriction.

A bit of a contrast with what happened!

257020 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to RickH, #856 of 1846 🔗

The UK IPPP is written in the usual way so as to appear harmless and straight forward but allows for any amount of interpretation at a later date.

(for those who want to see it go to the WHO site – IHR – IPPP by country)

257008 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Leemc23, #857 of 1846 🔗

Do watch Mike Yeadon’s video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1onx7LaNio

256898 ▶▶ Ben, replying to mjr, 9, #858 of 1846 🔗

The BBC is guilty of crimes against humanity

256919 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, 1, #859 of 1846 🔗

Yes – I caught that opening 50000 number – and made an immediate judgment where it was going.

…. And turned it off.

It is incredibly bad journalism not to be aware of the inaccuracy of PCR numbers.

256851 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #860 of 1846 🔗

Don’t know if this has been posted already. Oxford Uni Hospital study on antibody longevity. It lasts at least six months, reinfection is vanishingly rare.

Come on blondie, get off your blobby arse!

https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/news/article.aspx?id=1425

256856 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #861 of 1846 🔗

He’s too busy indulging himself in the tender mercies of Princess Nut Nuts.

256858 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to PoshPanic, 13, #862 of 1846 🔗

Antibody data is bollocks. T-cell immunity lasts for many years. (from Immunology for Dummies)

257012 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DocRC, #863 of 1846 🔗
256863 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to PoshPanic, 21, #864 of 1846 🔗

Nothing of that matters. The fake pandemic of PCR “cases” will be used as long as NECESSARY to deploy more TOOLS for Command & Control of the herd of modern moron slaves.
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256897 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #865 of 1846 🔗

The Gov’t don’t care about trans people or BLM.. It’s to stoke resentment and divide and rule

256932 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #866 of 1846 🔗

Saving that one!

256975 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #867 of 1846 🔗

There’s a way to go yet , isn’t this the start of the “decade of vaccines” ?

256861 Will, replying to Will, #868 of 1846 🔗

Has anyone seen FreeCumbria’s weekly ONS update?

256875 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 30, #870 of 1846 🔗

Cummings has gone

So what have we had this week?

Electric cars made from fairy cakes and a chocolate navy paid for with Smarties

GCHQ brought in to track down the virus and Flu is the new Covid

Welcome to the land of Princess nut nuts

256878 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 7, #871 of 1846 🔗

another £9 billion borrowed this week alone – enough to save 1/2 million life years if put through NHS.

256880 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #872 of 1846 🔗

although they’d probably spend it making tik tok videos

256895 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to steve_w, 5, #873 of 1846 🔗

Oooh that’s hate speech.

Mummy, steve_w is engaging in hate speech.

I demand to be protected from things that sound nasty.

257119 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Cecil B, #874 of 1846 🔗

I don’t do MSM anymore but to me it comes over as Johnson coming up with flatulent announcements that will usher in a golden age, but where are the elusive ministers, Eustice (Environment) and Wallace (Defence)? Do they hear about Boris’ and Princess Nut Nut’s latest wizard, super, finance defying fantasies on the telly? Do all these non-quad ‘ministers’ just sit about in their jimjams awaiting the latest No.10 love nest proclamations?

256893 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 9, #875 of 1846 🔗

FOI request to South West Yorkshire Partnership (NHS Trust) enquiring about the number of Covid deaths February to September 2020.Answer..NONE, ZILCH, ZERO!

And they clapped every Thursday because…???

256905 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to T. Prince, 3, #876 of 1846 🔗

Don’t read too much into it, they cover almost solely mental health issues, not hospitals in the “normal” sense.

256910 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #877 of 1846 🔗

Yes – it is important that we don’t get our facts wrong. Check.

256917 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to RickH, 1, #878 of 1846 🔗

Yep, never trust anything at first glance without looking into it further.

256950 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to RickH, #879 of 1846 🔗

Point taken. Passed to me from friend of my brother…..

256896 Paul, replying to Paul, 16, #880 of 1846 🔗

Satellite tv boxes can spread the rona apparently.We had a Sky engineer replace our box this morning but he couldn’t take the old one away with him ‘because of covid’.
I also told him he didn’t need to wear a mask in our house but he said ‘it’s part of my uniform now’ and wouldn’t remove it.
Everyday the insanity gets deeper into the psyche of a lot of people.

256937 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Paul, 11, #881 of 1846 🔗

Had a couple of guys come this morning to fix the new (and faulty) freezer, One had mask in hand as i opened the door. Told him no need, and so neither of them wore a mask (and were relieved). Normality!. One of them even asked to use the loo.
The delivery of the freezer last week was equally maskless.

256946 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, 4, #882 of 1846 🔗

All my tradesmen have been muzzle free, no questions asked by me or them.
Couriers vary, some muzzled, most not.

256991 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #883 of 1846 🔗

All of mine either arrived bare-faced or chose to become so once I told them to please not bother on our account

257036 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #884 of 1846 🔗

I had a Hermes delivery guy jump about 6′ back like a frog or something earlier. It’s one of my new hobbies, trying to ambush delivery drivers as they leave something on my doorstep.

256961 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Paul, 5, #885 of 1846 🔗

I wonder. Would it be acceptable to say. “I have done a risk assessment and I do not want a manual worker within my house in a face covering as there is a risk of x y and z from wearing it”.

256973 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Leemc23, 4, #886 of 1846 🔗

I said that masks were useless and that I find them intimidating,especially in my own home but he wasn’t interested.I just let it go,the box needed replacing and I thought the sooner I let him do it the sooner he will go.There seems to be intense corporate brainwashing of employees by Sky management.

256900 CGL, #887 of 1846 🔗

Apologies if already posted but this a link to a channel called The Highwire (Del Bigtree) – looking at Build Back Better etc

https://www.facebook.com/409037702805561/posts/1270931713282818/

256904 Tarfu, replying to Tarfu, 10, #888 of 1846 🔗

I have watched the Mike Yeadon video on Bitchute.
If you can get non- sceptics to do just one piece of research or watch just one video, then ask them to find 32 minutes, sit down with a cup of coffee and watch this video.

256908 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tarfu, 5, #889 of 1846 🔗

I just shared that with my Brother, who promptly refused to watch it as it is a “Right Wing Platform”. Jesus.

256942 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Leemc23, 5, #890 of 1846 🔗

is one of you adopted?
note is was back up on youtube a few minutes ago . so get him to look at that – it is a left wing platform!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5PM5HiL0E before it gets taken down again

256954 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to mjr, #891 of 1846 🔗

I am afraid that no adoption was involved but he could not be more of a BBC thinker…..

256984 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Leemc23, #892 of 1846 🔗

so did he get the good looks?.. clearly its you that got the brains !

256976 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Leemc23, 2, #893 of 1846 🔗

My bro won’t even click on a bitchute video as he says it’s a right wing platform too. Strange.

257039 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Two-Six, 1, #894 of 1846 🔗

I won’t look at something, just because you tell me to. I haven’t looked at it, but I know it’s a right wing platform, because… somebody told me so!

257085 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 3, #895 of 1846 🔗

Sympathies, mine is the same. Won’t look at or listen to any “right wing” sources, but if the same story comes out in the Guardian he’s all for it – must be true.

He won’t look at Lockdown Sceptics because Toby is a “climate denier”. Now, I believe in climate change (although not in the models of doom) and wouldn’t have followed Toby’s work previously, but I’m quite happy to use LS because I agree with what it’s saying. Not because of who’s running it. It’s called being open minded…

256990 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, #896 of 1846 🔗

What does that make YouTube then?

257019 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Leemc23, #897 of 1846 🔗
257042 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Leemc23, #898 of 1846 🔗

Left and right are now just two cheeks of the same arse. We’re well beyond that divide and conquer nonsense.

257027 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tarfu, 1, #899 of 1846 🔗

I quite agree. I watched it, then spent the next half an hour sharing it with as many people as possible! It’s an excellent video, really superb. Sense and information from someone who knows what he’s talking about AND he’s not in anyone’s pocket.
No wonder Vallence refused to speak to him!

256906 RickH, replying to RickH, 19, #900 of 1846 🔗

Just listened to Mike Yeadon’s latest video.

Nothing new – but eminently well put together – clear, comprehensive and fact-based.

The censoring of it underlines the fire state that we’re in, where policy is based upon imposed fictions that can only survive by excluding comprehensive analysis.

256911 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to RickH, 14, #901 of 1846 🔗

Even if what he said was nonsense (it’s not), surely he should still be free to say it? The fact it’s being heavily censored shows that people in control are worried about people speaking the truth versus the official narrative.

256947 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, #902 of 1846 🔗

Yes – I agree entirely.

256962 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #903 of 1846 🔗

Exactly. Flat Earthers are not censored on YouTube

256967 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ben, 4, #904 of 1846 🔗

David Icke was allowed to spout his stuff for years, but the minute he started talking about this it was instant ban. Why would they do that if they weren’t worried that people might actually believe the actual truth?

257018 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 1, #905 of 1846 🔗

Cos no ones actually going to fall off whereas we’re ALL going to die

257016 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #906 of 1846 🔗

There is no need to censor people talking nonsense.

256929 ▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 6, #907 of 1846 🔗

Your last paragraph goes the the heart of it, and suggests to me that the house of cards will eventually fall.

257033 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, #908 of 1846 🔗

It’s excellent. And we know he knows of what he is speaking. Although you say ”nothing new” – it may not be to many here, but there are plenty of people ”out there” who still haven’t got a clue, as they only listen to MSM. Share with as many as possible!

(He’s an expert – unlike the risibly named ”Sage” bunch. And Madge Hancock, who tries to sound as if he’s an expert in medical matters – whereas he has no science qualification or experience whatsoever.)

256907 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 13, #909 of 1846 🔗

More crazy bullshit alert…

A friend of mine saw this sign at the entrance to a children’s play park.

Luckily it was only stuck on with tape and was next to a bin (which is where he put it)…
comment image

256915 ▶▶ leggy, replying to captainbeefheart, 13, #910 of 1846 🔗

The work of hysterical sociopaths.

256925 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to leggy, 15, #911 of 1846 🔗

Except towards the bottom

“Use of this play area is at your own risk”

Everyone in government please take note and copy.

256921 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #912 of 1846 🔗

Not seen in my area, thankfully.

256927 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to karenovirus, 5, #913 of 1846 🔗

I don’t live too far from Flitwick, but all we have had so far is the disgusting display of “gratitude” to our “brave servicemen who gave their lives for our freedom”. They must have spent a lot of money “celebrating” that by sticking plastic poppies all over the place.

Makes me sick, but then again, we are dealing with sick people.

256916 Julian, replying to Julian, #914 of 1846 🔗

Can anyone point me in the direction of up to date stats for hospital admissions, bed occupancy, ICU occupancy, cancelled operations?

I’ve found some stats from the NHS but they only go up to Q2 this year.

TIA.

256988 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, #916 of 1846 🔗

Thanks

Was really looking for all-cause stats, not restricted to covid, as those are too easy to distort

257341 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Julian, #917 of 1846 🔗

OK, then there are a couple of sources to try. First here:

https://adapnation.io/how-is-your-local-hospital-coping/

You could also try here:

https://pandata.org/

256920 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 16, #918 of 1846 🔗

As a native of Hamburg, Germany, I like to check their local tv station news. Yesterday they reported on a survey the local education dept did in the summer term in upper schools, that 78% of pupils who tested + “contracted” the virus outside of school. Still, they make pupils wear face coverings all day.
Today I read that at a school, where they tested ALL students after several students tested + and consequently sent everyone home for 2 weeks as the “found” another 200+, the teachers held a protest. They do not want to work full time facing students when they return to school Monday.
A side note, the school is named after a courageous Jewish woman who owned a theatre in Hamburg and was the first to put on a play by a young man, broken by his experiences in WW2, who is also very famous and whose name has often been used for schools.
I liked my teachers. I had quite a few who encouraged us to think for ourselves and stand up for Human Rights. I am sure there are still teachers out there who do not only want to ram down the curriculum down kids throats so they pass a test. Sadly they seem to be few.

257004 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Silke David, 2, #919 of 1846 🔗

Critical thinking has been off the curriculum for years, they don’t want more generations of awkward free-thinkers .

257491 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #920 of 1846 🔗

My 2 are failure failures then

256928 leggy, replying to leggy, 15, #921 of 1846 🔗

I’ve been making some pretty darn sceptical comments on a well know maintstream platform of late. A lot of people are. Support is significant. We’re far from alone in the way we feel.

257029 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to leggy, 4, #922 of 1846 🔗

I’m starting to sense something similar. Perhaps not the beginning of the end, but maybe the end of the beginning.

257048 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mabel Cow, #923 of 1846 🔗

That’s too optimistic for me. Where are all these so disparate (and desperate) voices to go to be heard? There are thousands out there, ordinary folk, waiting around it seems for a return to sanity. Are they going to have to wait for the local elections in May.

257112 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to bluemoon, 1, #924 of 1846 🔗

every parent I meet in the playground thinks its a load of shit

257447 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, #925 of 1846 🔗

Oh god – that makes my heart sink

256933 Cheezilla, 16, #926 of 1846 🔗

Great typo in the DT comment:

This is a plotical pandemic, no more, no less.

and how about this comment?!

I asked via FOI for the scientific evidence for quarantine, was told it was not in public interest. Releasing such material would have a “chilling effect” (sic) on ministerial discussion. Conclusion, there is none?

256936 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #927 of 1846 🔗

Lockdown refuseniks, that’s a new one!
From Metro news.

256953 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #928 of 1846 🔗

What does the Metro call those who’ve killed themselves because of lockdown? Dead refuseniks?

Or those who’ve died in care homes or from cancelled medical treatment?

The MSM is the real virus

256970 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 1, #929 of 1846 🔗

Lockdown Deadbeats ?

257005 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, 1, #930 of 1846 🔗

Well said and argued, Jamie

257023 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #931 of 1846 🔗

It gets on my udders when these dolts use refuseniks to mean somebody who refuses to do something.

The original refuseniks were people who were not permitted to leave Russia and hence their request was refused.

So having said that, perhaps we could be considered to be refuseniks , given that we have been refused the right to live our fucking lives.

257114 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #932 of 1846 🔗

And especially we’ve been refused the right to leave the country. I was listening to the talk between Dr Mike Yeadon and Dr Fuellmich – Dr F likened this ‘law’ to the Berlin Wall, that was put up to keep their people in. We don’t need that, of course, as there’s the English Channel. It brings to mind: ”… . this precious stone set in the silver sea, which serves it in the office of a wall….” Ironic, isn’t it? It’s meant to keep people out, not in, yet the movement seems to have been reversed.

257397 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Banjones, #933 of 1846 🔗

Apparently, even us foreigners can’t leave. I’m a dual citizen and my embassy’s website seems to say that I’m stuck here. Smacks of North Korea or East Germany.

256941 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 8, #934 of 1846 🔗

We’ve had the ‘Thrilla in Manilla’ and the ‘Rumble in the Jungle’, time for the ‘confrontation in front of the nation’ (sorry!).

If SAGE, the government and their ‘experts’ are so convinced they are right, debate Yeadon, Gupta, Cummins e.g. on live tv (I’m sure the BBC would accommodate!) and may the best team win (I know who my money’s on).

256955 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #935 of 1846 🔗

2020 ‘The ripple of the pig’

257117 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #936 of 1846 🔗

I believe Dr Yeadon has already offered to debate Vallance. He didn’t take him up on the offer – I’m not sure if he even replied.

257147 ▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Banjones, #937 of 1846 🔗

About as likely as me taking up an offer from Tyson Fury for a few rounds of sparing

256944 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #938 of 1846 🔗

Took my old “banger” again to our local garage last night.
NO SOCIAL DISTANCING, NO FACE NAPPIES AND ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS!!!

256948 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #939 of 1846 🔗

That was my experience getting an MOT this week. Could have been 2019. Exempt from covid wokeness.

256993 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to leggy, 3, #940 of 1846 🔗

Like the description.

257196 ▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to leggy, 3, #941 of 1846 🔗

Same here, my car went in for service and MOT at small village garage, only noticeable thing was the plastic covering on the driver’s seat when I collected it and that’s normal, isn’t it? Not only that but they hadn’t done the bill when I went for it and so I paid today. Try doing that with a main car dealership!

257955 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to dorset dumpling, #942 of 1846 🔗

Yes, the plastic sheet is normal, to guard against oil stains not the covid.

256969 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #943 of 1846 🔗

Motor trade working blokes have always had a more realistic attitude.
(Apologies to lady readers).

256989 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #944 of 1846 🔗

One small minor point, can we call it ‘anti-social distancing’ from now on please? Because that is what it is.
But glad to hear what you say anyway. Tesco delivery yesterday was face-nappy free and the delivery man was quite free about his scepticism.

256997 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Stephanos, 2, #945 of 1846 🔗

Yes, absolutely, because that’s what it is:ANTISOCIAL.

257025 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Stephanos, 4, #946 of 1846 🔗

Our last supermarket delivery man was highly sceptical too, but only dared to let on with a bit of prompting, whereupon he let rip.

257100 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Stephanos, 2, #947 of 1846 🔗

same as social media.. that is mainy anti-social !!!!

256995 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #948 of 1846 🔗

Yep, MOT on Wednesday, one man band, no signs no masks, no bugger all. Same at local garage. Sanity prevails amidst everyday travails.

257002 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #949 of 1846 🔗

Yes, because they are normal everyday people who know what real life is all about.
Collaborators and maskateers, take note.

256949 Marialta, replying to Marialta, #950 of 1846 🔗

Re: the Danish study on Masks!

I’ve just listened to the Freddie Sayers interview with the lead investigator Prof Henning Bundgaard of the University of Copenhagen. Actually he says MASKS are worth wearing and the only proviso is that they are worn properly.

https://unherd.com/thepost/danish-mask-study-professor-protective-effect-may-be-small-but-masks-are-worthwhile/ ?

256951 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Marialta, 8, #951 of 1846 🔗

Worth considering that their RCT was with medical masks. No work done there on cloth masks.

256972 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to leggy, 4, #952 of 1846 🔗

Yes they do go into this properly and the Professor mentions touching it, keeping masks in pockets etc. as counterproductive. BUT this would have been an opportunity for him to go one step further and say categorically they were useless in that instance but he didn’t venture there ….

257125 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Marialta, #953 of 1846 🔗

Perhaps he’s in someone’s pay.

256959 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Marialta, 1, #954 of 1846 🔗

*facepalm*

256963 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, 1, #955 of 1846 🔗

I’m a bit fazed by this, he sounds so very deliberate and refutes Freddy’s queries about any kind of funny business around the delayed publication. He maintains that journals don’t like publishing research studies with non conclusive results like this one. But he says twice in the video that, despite the results you’re better wearing a mask than not.

256980 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Marialta, 2, #956 of 1846 🔗

On reason thes study was so non-conclusive was that so few of the sample were ‘infected’, despite the study taking place in the middle of a ‘pandemic’

256974 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Marialta, 5, #957 of 1846 🔗

What price did they pay for getting the study out?

A few weeks ago the same guy was wondering if any journal would dare publish it.

257003 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Marialta, 9, #958 of 1846 🔗

I have a snood in my pocket that I wear as a mask when I don’t want bother (school playground, train to london etc)

hasn’t been washed since I bought it. I wipe the windscreen with it when there’s condensation, or wipe the table in costa if staff havent had time

257017 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, 2, #959 of 1846 🔗

Good for the old immune system, what what!

257088 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 1, #960 of 1846 🔗

I have exactly the same because I have to wear a face covering at times. When I go into hospital I do wear a surgical mask but only for a limited period as it makes me light headed.

257007 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Marialta, 6, #961 of 1846 🔗

So the lead on the Danish mask study started with the preconception that masks are effective and the study still didn’t produce any evidence to support that position. So he retains is prejudice and justifies it (to himself) with the proviso that they have to be used correctly. I wonder if he has ever spent even a few minutes watching how members of the general population use this things? But even if he did, doubtless he would just come with another rationale, such as the government ought to instruct and train people in correct usage. Some people are incorrigible.

257014 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to Marialta, 3, #962 of 1846 🔗

If, during a study in which participants are motivated to wear masks correctly, are given appropriate masks, etc., you can’t find a statistically significant advantage of masks over no masks, why would you say they are worthwhile? (and this does not even consider all of the potential harms of mask use)

257208 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to jrsm, #963 of 1846 🔗

This is exactly why I am posting this. If you watch the video all through it’s perverse.

257022 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Marialta, 2, #964 of 1846 🔗

So now they will be telling us that if we’d all worn our masks “properly” thousands of lives could have been saved…

257032 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Marialta, 3, #965 of 1846 🔗

The Danish Study left out the harm masks may cause (bacterial infections, reduced oxygen etc)

257074 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Marialta, 3, #966 of 1846 🔗

A fat loss diet is useless if you can’t follow it. A workout schedule is counterproductive if it can’t be maintained.

Doesn’t matter if the underlying science is correct. If it’s impossible to use it’s by definition USELESS.

256956 Jo, replying to Jo, 17, #967 of 1846 🔗

Out with the dogs this morning – started talking to a nice woman who told me she worked at a nursery where one child tested + for covid and children sent home blah blah. Started talking about false positives, hospital admissions, how things have been censored. She seemed to be listening to the stuff I was saying and agreeing with most of it.
Then said man who has children at the nursery decided to not let his children go there this term because of the rise in cases “and he is a Virologist and knows what he is talking about”.
God help us and save us from these medically and scientifically trained idiots – they are some of the worst of the lot. Doesn’t he know his children are at zero risk?

256981 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo, 4, #968 of 1846 🔗

For anyone who works in the NHS and is of that bent, this is a perfect opportunity for a power grab, both on an individual and organisational level.

257542 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo, 1, #969 of 1846 🔗

I had an argument with a retired doctor of 22 years who dismissed the BMJ editorial on corruption and suppression of science as biased and just not worth consder

256957 DRW, 9, #970 of 1846 🔗

Account on the latest Aussie hysteria, would be hilarious if it wasn’t real:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/jxh30i/south_australian_here_i_want_to_share_the_madness/?sort=new

Definitely shades of witch trials/hunts in how everyone blamed the pizza guy.

256960 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 7, #971 of 1846 🔗

If you think the Sage use of Wiki bs is beyond laughable, the news from NZ is even funnier. Their equivalent of Ferguson – prof Michael Baker used a news report in the Guardian (which was only a syndicated story) on the Diamond Princess “outbreak” to develop his end of the charade.
How do they get away with it ?

257055 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #972 of 1846 🔗

NPHET in Ireland used newspaper reports of isolated cases in pubs to justify shutting pubs in Ireland.

257066 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Bill Grates, #973 of 1846 🔗

CRAZY FUCKERS! Anyway, this week’s pod is here…you’re going to enjoy it with a bottle of wine: https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

257527 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bill Grates, #974 of 1846 🔗

The original paper outlining the creation of the PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 used social media accounts of the outbreak to inform their design

256964 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 14, #975 of 1846 🔗

This from Melanie Phillips. It relates to Boris’s great green new future but you can substitute some words for our benefit (in brackets)…

“Oh — and the idea that unless the world decarbonises (locks down and everyone wears masks forever) we’re all going to fry, drown and starve (die from a manufactured pandemic) is utter, anti-scientific rubbish: propagated by zealots, transmitted by cowards and sucked up by idiots.

If Boris Johnson really does believe in all this, he needs a reset of his brain”

256968 ▶▶ Jo, replying to T. Prince, 4, #976 of 1846 🔗

I think she’s in favour of lockdowns. Might be wrong.

256977 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Jo, 5, #977 of 1846 🔗

She is which surprises me as she’s usually good with ‘the facts’…

256978 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo, 9, #978 of 1846 🔗

She’s definitely in favour of lockdowns. A classic authoritarian panicker. Too scared to apply the reasoning she does to climate bollocks to the coronapanic bollocks.

It’s even much the same kind of modelling-based bollocks, so it shouldn’t be that hard to do!

256979 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo, 4, #979 of 1846 🔗

You are indeed correct – very pro lockdown

256983 Voz 0db, #980 of 1846 🔗

Be a Homo Sapiens Ascorbicus and you’ll never fear fake pandemics again!

256996 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #981 of 1846 🔗

Off topic but anyone watch the bombshell Trump and Gillian free conference yesterday?

Bombshell is right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQCdCSDWQQ&feature=emb_logo

257001 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #982 of 1846 🔗

Yep, just watched it earlier. Let’s see how far they manage to get.

257009 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #983 of 1846 🔗

All the way hopefully.

Certainly enough there to start rounding up the guilty.

257045 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #984 of 1846 🔗

Betfair are still giving 20-1 on trump to win. They must know something I don’t.

257176 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #985 of 1846 🔗

Not off-topic at all. If the Dems prevail, Biden’s task force will endeavour to lock down the entire country.

257390 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #986 of 1846 🔗

I’ve not been following it closely, but I believe there is already pushback brewing. South Dakota’s governor has already said she will not lock her state down.

257401 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #987 of 1846 🔗

I have listened to the whole thing this afternoon- i wish someone would shame our piss poor journalists like that. I hope they can get the job done. They seem to have a fair bit of good evidence.

257524 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #988 of 1846 🔗

If this makes court it’ll be knife edge stuff.

257010 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, #989 of 1846 🔗

How do we add photos/pictures to a comment? I’m sure there used to be a button but it seems to have disappeared for me? Sorry if I’m just being thick.

257026 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #990 of 1846 🔗

you vave to be logged in and then at the bottom right of the comment box there appears a pictogram- hover over this and you see “attach an image ….”

257030 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DocRC, #991 of 1846 🔗

Ah that explains it, it’s obviously logged me out without my realising! I knew I’d seen that little picture somewhere. Thanks.

257013 Fingerache Philip., 4, #992 of 1846 🔗

To all collaborators: “It is better to have lived and lost than to have never lived at all”
With apologies to Alfred Lord Tennyson.

257015 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 8, #993 of 1846 🔗

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/20/this-is-an-abusive-government/

Another psychologist tells it like it is.

The wheels are starting to come off the corona bus.

257081 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to wendyk, 3, #994 of 1846 🔗

But until they are arrested and tried we are no further forward.

257089 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #995 of 1846 🔗

True indeed; I keep going on about bringing some kind of class action, but we need advice from some helpful legal eagles.

Advice on the many compensation claims which will soon materialise as well.

257563 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to wendyk, #996 of 1846 🔗

I suspect that a lot of lawyers are waiting to pounce, because they are unsure of which way the wind is blowing. If lockdowns and totalitarianism continue, they will want to take cases where, for example, employers are being sued for not providing PPE soon enough; if Covid is exposed as a scam, they will want cases where people sue over loss of jobs, lockdowns etc. Once it becomes clear which way things are going, then the mass cases will begin.

257021 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #997 of 1846 🔗
257054 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 4, #998 of 1846 🔗

Authoritarian technocracy.

257024 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 6, #999 of 1846 🔗
257052 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to wendyk, 6, #1000 of 1846 🔗

I want to set up some sort of “charity” whereby people can donate money or their to help any small businesses that might not survive. I realise it’s a massive undertaking but collectively across the country we could all do a small bit to help the independent businesses.

257062 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1001 of 1846 🔗

What a splendid idea; we’d need some safeguards though, to ensure that money went to genuine claimants.

I wonder whether a crowdfunder would work , with pro bono advice from accountants.

CGL, if you’re here, could you advise us?

257765 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to wendyk, #1002 of 1846 🔗

Ooh – I’m not a qualified accountant – that’s not really my area of expertise, I just do accounts for my company. I will ask around though in case anyone I know could advise.

257553 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1003 of 1846 🔗

Something similar has been set up for independent bookshops in the UK.
It is more expensive than Amazon, but you get what you pay for.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/02/independent-online-bookshop-launches-to-rival-amazon-13521074/

257111 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to wendyk, 1, #1004 of 1846 🔗

Oh yes it can! And it will be, ignored that is, because they don’t care.

257261 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to wendyk, 1, #1005 of 1846 🔗

It’s a deliberate ploy to destroy small and medium sized businesses.To take away the independence of the population and make them dependent on the state.

257035 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 5, #1006 of 1846 🔗

Interesting video on the Great Reset (New World Order)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0EV7s0KW3UPu/
WHAT IS THE GREAT RESET?
HighWire goes to a place we’ve never gone before. Is there something more behind the global coronavirus response? Why are so many leaders using the same language when talking about the future of their countries and the world? What is the Great Reset? Journalist James Corbett joins Del to separate facts from fiction.

257058 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Darryl, 1, #1007 of 1846 🔗

I posted a bit further down but you’ve got more ticks 🙂

257071 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to CGL, 1, #1008 of 1846 🔗

Bit further up if you read newest first 😉

257392 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, #1009 of 1846 🔗

Oh yeah!

257084 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to CGL, 1, #1010 of 1846 🔗

Sorry missed that, hopefully it will get more views. Amazes me a cute Cat video can get millions of views in a few days, but something important like this might only get a couple of thousand!

257759 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Darryl, #1011 of 1846 🔗

No hard feelings! 🙂

257038 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #1012 of 1846 🔗

I came across this while out for a walk this morning. I’m hoping it’s someone on here – would love to know a local sceptic!

257551 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1013 of 1846 🔗

Very funny! Trouble is the average bod will just give it a cursory glance and think it’s another reminder of how this terrible virus is so bad that the government has to put warning posters up.

257622 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1014 of 1846 🔗

That’s exactly what I thought I admit. But it’s good in a way, because plod might not notice it and take it down.

257768 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to A. Contrarian, #1015 of 1846 🔗

Brilliant. I’d have been more biting in my humour, but a great job nonetheless.

257040 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 2, #1016 of 1846 🔗

This is on the dreadful beeb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55016893 but contains some positive news.

The first couple of paragraphs (nb the last bit that I have highlighted):

Coronavirus infection rates are levelling off in England and Scotland and decreasing in Wales and Northern Ireland, latest data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) suggests.
It shows rates in school-age children are still rising while falling in young adults.
The R number for the UK continues to fall and is now between 1 and 1.1.
But that doesn’t yet reflect the impact of the second lockdown in England, introduced on 5 November.

Looking quickly at the comments – more sheeple than sceptics

257056 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to SilentP, 3, #1017 of 1846 🔗

Comments on the BBC are always much more gullible than on any of the newspapers (bar the Guardian). Both the BBC and Guardian, of course, have a similar audience of the semi-educated Dunning-Kruger-ites

257097 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #1018 of 1846 🔗

Plus censorbots and 77th types are usually very active. But what do you expect from the minitrue?

257296 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DRW, #1019 of 1846 🔗

that reminds me they went for Toby on twitter when he got his figures wrong. Got pretty personal

257538 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jakehadlee, #1020 of 1846 🔗

On a similar topic, there was an advert by HM Govt on Facebook today, advertising some sort of recruitment site for the unemployed. About 99% of the comments were furious, rude and/or ripping the p*ss. A tiny proportion were parroting the ‘everybody needs to lockdown to save lives’ BS but they were getting attacked too. It was bloody great to see.

257082 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to SilentP, 3, #1021 of 1846 🔗

Shan’t give them the benefit of a click.

257374 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #1022 of 1846 🔗

I regret going and taking a look. To make any headway, it would require some of us going in and commenting as a group. Lone individuals can’t make headway with that crowd.

257101 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, #1023 of 1846 🔗

PS Seeing replies to this – the main reason I posted was to draw attention to the bit I have highlighted. Found it encouraging it being reported that rates were going down pre-lockdown

257141 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to SilentP, #1024 of 1846 🔗

Yes, albeit in a deliberately obfuscatory way. Still, small victories.

257143 ▶▶ RickH, replying to SilentP, 1, #1025 of 1846 🔗

Coronavirus infection rates”

Trans : “rates of RNA fragments present that might or might not have a tenuous connection with an infectious agent at some vague point in time”

257233 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to SilentP, 1, #1026 of 1846 🔗

Thanks for posting. I was about to post the same link. My observations are the same as yours. The wankerati are working themselves into and onanistic fever for lockdowns.

257383 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1027 of 1846 🔗

It appears some (unknown) proportion of the population have gone mad. I feel like I need to take a shower after reading some of the comments. Mass delusion, peppered with the 77th brigade or the Nudge unit.

257425 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, #1028 of 1846 🔗

Actually, I just decided to go to the newest comments and reply to the sane people. New project for anyone who wants to try to influence the discussion a bit.

257371 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to SilentP, 1, #1029 of 1846 🔗

I wouldn’t even call them sheeple. Mass psychosis is more like. One quoted 200,000-300,000 dead without the government’s actions. It appears that some people have gone quite insane with it all.

257435 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to SilentP, #1030 of 1846 🔗

The comments on the BBC are like watching someone with split personality in full flow. One day when cases go down its all flowery crap about people coming together, doing the right thing. Today after yesterday’s lockdown to save Christmas here in Northern Ireland they are outright psychotic. All about those who just can’t obey the rules and don’t wear masks. Such people should go to ICU and shout at Covid patients telling them it’s all because they never wore masks and deserve to be there.

I had a look at the local Public Health surveillance report today. Some obvious outliers say it all.

– Flu has disappeared. Not that people aren’t getting it but surveillance surgeries (designated GPS to whom you’ll be sent for a test in flu season if displaying symptoms to prevent outbreaks) are now Covid Centres. They fullfill the same purpose of surveillance but obviously everything is just Covid-19 now.

– 75% of ICU admissions for Covid are obese (+25 BMI)

– There are quite a few younger ages in ICU maybe 25%-35% under 65. Obviously they pull through more than others as 95% of deaths are over 65.

257446 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1031 of 1846 🔗

Cowardice begets fear, fear begets psychosis, psychosis begets BBC commentards.

257041 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #1032 of 1846 🔗

Don’t you just hate compulsory enthusiasm?
IE: Comic relief and Children in need.
I give and have always given to charity but I do not want to endure the sight of exhibitionists sitting in a bath full of baked beans or some pratt running down the high street with a feather duster stuck up his backside “purely in the name of raising money for charity”

257121 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1033 of 1846 🔗

How does the BBC reconcile its duty to be impartial with its incessant campaigning?

257305 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1034 of 1846 🔗

YES, YES, YES!!!
I thought it was just me and was too afraid to admit it.
I hate all that with a fervent vitriol that is almost as strong as my hatred of coronabollox.

257448 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1035 of 1846 🔗

That’s me. Throw in Valentines Day too. I send the wife flowers the week after just to make my point

257043 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1036 of 1846 🔗

Yes, thanks Amazon delivery driver, for doing your job and getting paid while everyone else’s jobs have become illegal and we’re not allowed to buy anything from the shops…

257308 ▶▶ dickyboy, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1037 of 1846 🔗

There’s a good chance that the amazon delivery driver had their own business back in February and now this is their only option.

257388 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to dickyboy, #1038 of 1846 🔗

I remember reading somewhere about airline pilots being forced to take jobs as delivery drivers.

257044 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 9, #1039 of 1846 🔗

As Christmas nears, the gaslighting and guilt-tripping is ramped up to full speed.

257047 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Censored Dog, 1, #1040 of 1846 🔗

All part of the plan.

257076 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #1041 of 1846 🔗

They will “allow” Christmas because if they don’t people will do it anyway and their authority will be undermined.

But they will spend the next month or so telling us that if we do have a family Christmas day, 50,000 Aunt Bettys and Grannys will die per day during January and February, and pushing for “social disapproval” of anyone who dares to disagree.

257139 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1042 of 1846 🔗

Yes : watch out for the post-Christmas scam, Will it be a ‘Third Wave’, linked with yet more junk PCR results? Or a ferret mutation? Or an upturn in the ‘flu numbers dressed up as Covid? Or ….??

257248 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 1, #1043 of 1846 🔗

Furlough until March.Follow the money

257275 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to RickH, 1, #1044 of 1846 🔗

Pet dogs and cats will have to be culled. Holding them to ransom if people “don’t behave”.

257378 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to RickH, 1, #1045 of 1846 🔗

The animal mutation angle gives them the means to ramp up the fear whenever it suits them. Whoever thought up that one was onto a winner.

257276 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1046 of 1846 🔗

The trouble is AC that in a sense ‘they’ are right. The fact is well proven in schools/uni’s etc when new students mix for the first time – a lot of them get ill. So likewise if Aunt Betty and Granny have been locked up for months and then suddenly mix with others they will get ill too as their immune system has been trashed.

Of course the above is not the fault of releasing lockdown, it is the fault of imposing it in the first place, but who is going to listen to that argument? Certainly nobody from Sage. Cue the newsblast “Xmas killed Granny” we need more lockdown – and thus it will be.

257046 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 1, #1047 of 1846 🔗

Bloody hell, the “Science Media Centre” has already found someone to have a go at the PHE preprint on T-cell cross-immunity

257053 ▶▶ CGL, replying to mattghg, 5, #1048 of 1846 🔗

Hang on a minute so they can argue stuff but no one else can? It really is a one way street this ‘the science’ thing isn’t it. Arent they now considered conspiracy theorists if they want to question something?

257060 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to mattghg, 2, #1049 of 1846 🔗

Sorry, hit enter by mistake and now I’m not allowed to edit any more for some reason. I wanted to say:

Bloody hell, the “Science Media Centre” has already found someone to have a go at the PHE preprint on T-cell cross-immunity. What’s the real agenda here?

Even so, it’s a win to get the Branch Covidians to acknowledge even some prior immunity from exposure to other coronaviruses. Both Neil Ferguson’s doomsday model in March and the modelling underlying Whitty & Valance’s dodgy dossier in September assumed zero prior immunity.

257078 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mattghg, #1050 of 1846 🔗

as soon as a comment is made as a reply to your post, it locks your post and you cannot edit anymore, so it looks like CGL’s post stopped you

257080 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to mjr, #1051 of 1846 🔗

Thanks, I suspected as much.

257104 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mattghg, 1, #1052 of 1846 🔗

stops someone completely changing a post and making the reply look stupid !!!

257049 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1053 of 1846 🔗

Good news if true (from the Telegraph)

Inside No 10, the Prime Minister has been making the Swedish-style argument that – as he recently put it – “we can’t just keep infringing on people’s liberty when people won’t listen to it anyway.” He wants a Christmas exemption because he suspects that, without one, there would be lawbreaking on a mass scale. The nation would be driving home for Christmas, legally or not.

Those in Government urging the Prime Minister to “reset” his premiership have a phrase: that the “grown-ups” are now back in charge, so it’s time to adopt a “grown-up” tone. Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, talks about the need to move on from lockdown and “live without fear” and his voice may be heard more now. The case is now being made inside No 10 for a “grown-up” conversation about lockdown: being honest about its side-effects and talking about the difficulty of striking a better balance.

257130 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1054 of 1846 🔗

Well – let’s do a translation that ignores the sudden conversion of children playing with matches to adults having a ‘grown-up’ conversation (BTW – I thought such conversations were censored).

Trans : “We’ve pushed our luck about as far as it will go. We need to find an excuse for looking more sensible before the plebs twig the whole gory story”

… but that’s the optimistic gloss.

257246 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1055 of 1846 🔗

More libertarian Boris propaganda.He has to open up slightly because everyone will ignore the restrictions.
Straight back into lockdown after when they can get away with it

257530 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1056 of 1846 🔗

What I hope is that if they do unlock for Christmas, most people will say ‘why the hell did we stop meeting like this for so long?’ and there will be a big drop in compliance once lockdown returns. The government will have to come up with some serious fear porn to prevent that.

257766 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to A. Contrarian, #1057 of 1846 🔗

Just play-acting, making the right noises to appease rebels. They have no intention of backing down.

257050 Voz 0db, 2, #1058 of 1846 🔗

DIRECT cause and effect of the unnecessary declarations of “state of emergency” and/or “calamity”…

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But the TERRORISTS in office blame “CUVID-19” (CU<=>ASS)

257051 richard riewer, 4, #1059 of 1846 🔗

Today, Lockdown Sceptics is publishing an original piece by Dr Julian Harris , a veteran scientist. He got a job in July at the Lighthouse lab in Milton Keynes, one of three superlabs in England run by a company – UK Biocentre – that has received billions in Government contracts . Money stolen from the taxpayers.

257057 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1060 of 1846 🔗

Nicola El Presidente has said that she is “scunnered” with the lockdown.

I am pretty sure that she isn’t “scunnered” she is loving it all.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-scunnered-lockdown-calls-23041885

257061 ▶▶ Ben, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1061 of 1846 🔗

The Mayor of Chicago sounds like a complete dictator.

The land of the free America is not

https://twitter.com/roccogalatilaw/status/1329273170961063937?s=20

257075 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Ben, 3, #1062 of 1846 🔗

“tator” is entirely superfluous

257271 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ben, 2, #1063 of 1846 🔗

Check out Tom Woods at tomwoods.com. He also has a YT channel. He’s very blunt so it can be cathartic to listen to him. There are sane Americans and they are pissed off (angry, in American English).

257064 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1064 of 1846 🔗

Is she buggery!

Salary of over £150,000 plus hubby’s plus expenses.

No, it won’t wash.

257185 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 1, #1066 of 1846 🔗

She makes the following appalling statement:

“Whether the SNP have the legal right to impose travel restrictions on people leaving and arriving in Scotland is immaterial. If Nicola Sturgeon says that something is a rule and the police are willing to enforce it, then this de facto is the law whatever the constitutional niceties.”

Immaterial? Constitutional niceties? This is the absolute negation of the rule of law. Deans needs to read Lord Gumption’s comments on the nature of a police state.

257205 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to annie, 2, #1067 of 1846 🔗

The point is that Sturgeon just has to say “health is devolved” and that’s it. Everything comes under health if Sturgeon says it is so. It’s independence but with the UK bankrolling it.

257072 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1068 of 1846 🔗

Scunnered meanings – annoyed, discontented, or bored, nauseated or disgusted

So which one is she on about, or is it all of them?

257153 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1069 of 1846 🔗

I’ve never heard “scunnered” but if it means “I am living my best life and can hardly believe my luck” then yes, I’m sure she is.

257174 ▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1070 of 1846 🔗

She is certainly a scunner.

257224 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1071 of 1846 🔗

She needs to be fucking locked up

257065 mjr, 1, #1072 of 1846 🔗

telegraph . when anything is referenced that is behind the telegraph paywall, apparently this can be circumvented on windows 10 machines in various ways for example by disabling javascript for the telegraph site in Chrome.
here are some instructions .

some other options in these comments on the wonderful “not at lot of people” blog

257070 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 14, #1073 of 1846 🔗

For some reason my memory was triggered today of the Hillborough disaster. Hundreds of people were killed or crushed during a football match and the police in charge blamed the fans.

This is an uncanny mirroring of what we see today where the spread of a virus is blamed on…the people. Is this pandemic the World’s Hillsborough?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

Ninety-four people died on the day; another person died in hospital days later and the final victim, who had been put into a persistent vegetative state by the crush and had never regained consciousness, died in 1993. The match was abandoned but was restaged at Old Trafford in Manchester on 7 May 1989 with Liverpool winning and going on to win the FA Cup. In the following days and weeks police fed the press false stories suggesting that hooliganism and drunkenness by Liverpool supporters had caused the disaster . Blaming of Liverpool fans persisted even after the Taylor Report of 1990, which found that the main cause was a failure of control by South Yorkshire Police (SYP).

257109 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1074 of 1846 🔗

As you recall, MSM had a role in promoting the myths from the outset (The Sun’s then editor in particular)

257091 DRW, replying to DRW, 13, #1075 of 1846 🔗

Answering my own question from earlier, other students are similarly feeling aged. As with my mate some have admitted they’re not really learning anything, just vegging out on entertainment and getting fat from comfort eating. To be honest I’m about halfway there these days, there is some good news and reasons for optimism but so little to live for now. But at least it’s a common feeling and you guys have kept me going.

257135 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to DRW, 3, #1076 of 1846 🔗

I haven’t been a student for 30 years but I feel your pain. Have you considered just getting shitfaced for a couple of weeks and arrested for some covid non-compliance. It will be a badge of honour in the years to come

257165 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, 7, #1077 of 1846 🔗

Don’t give up! You’ll be needed bigtime soon when things begin to move our way. Some of us haven’t got the physical drive we had once upon a time, so we need you young ‘uns to keep us going!
Look on it as a time to get yourself fit and in the right place mentally – and we’ll soon be there, God willing!

257218 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Banjones, 1, #1078 of 1846 🔗

Thanks. There has been good news but we can’t guarantee things will move our way.

257200 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DRW, 3, #1079 of 1846 🔗

Hopefully they will all join Unlock and stand up for their rights

257092 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 15, #1080 of 1846 🔗

I see that Passport To Pimlico is on the telly at the moment, in which the residents of that part of London declare independence and struggle to remain free from the overbearing rules and regulations of Whitehall.
Couldn’t we do something like that now? I mean, divide up the country between those who want to live like human beings (Freedonia?) and those who want to live half-lives under strict control and in constant fear (Bedwetterstan?).

257106 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PhilipF, 1, #1081 of 1846 🔗

bedwetterstan? as it is full of sheep just call it Wales

257172 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 1, #1082 of 1846 🔗

In that case I want a permit to move to Freedonia.
Baah.

257266 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to PhilipF, 1, #1083 of 1846 🔗

I had the same thought while I was walking on the beach today. It’s possible that the US will break into parts because of this. The middle of the country would become Freedonia and the coasts would be West and East Bedwetterstan. I’m sure non-American Lockdown Sceptics would be welcome to join the sane Americans in Freedonia. The middle of the country is not that densely populated, so there’s plenty of room.

257381 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to ConstantBees, #1084 of 1846 🔗

How I wish I lived near the sea.

257495 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to ConstantBees, #1085 of 1846 🔗

I’ll get my stetson and chaps ready!! Actually since they don’t want the masses to own and drive a car in 10 years time maybe going back to horse and carriage would not be a bad thing! 🙂

257488 ▶▶ Sue, replying to PhilipF, #1086 of 1846 🔗

Yes i’ve often thought the same – after all Mountbatten did this with ‘partition’ of India and said hindus live here, and muslims over there. Though the violence and deaths was terrible.
We could have similar for sceptics to the left and lockdownistas over to the right. Could all move to wales, vote in a sceptic assembly members and make the laws in our favour and live happily ever after as free individuals!
I think more people are considering of how to opt out of this new normal world we seem to sprinting towards – how to live offgrid in small communities off the land etc

257093 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 11, #1087 of 1846 🔗

Just been informed that some non essential shops will remain open in lockdown Scotland. These include Next and Matalan. Something to do with them selling home wares.
So big companies get to remain open but small independent businesses will be forced to close.

257108 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Just about sane, 4, #1088 of 1846 🔗

it was mentioned over the last couple of days that some small shops had started selling some homeware to make the same claim and stay open

257171 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 9, #1089 of 1846 🔗

Sell someone a plate
Before it’s too late,
And be sure to settle
For the sale of a kettle.
If you don’t have those two,
A teapot will do.

257519 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, #1090 of 1846 🔗

And in all the shops they surely must have
Plenty of paper to use in the lav.

257284 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to mjr, #1091 of 1846 🔗

Just one example from my area, there’s an electronics shop which somehow is managing to stay open, with only one customer at a time allowed in. Maybe they can claim they are trade suppliers for TV repairers etc – it’s essential that people can keep watching the propaganda. Whatever the reason, good luck to them.

257094 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 35, #1092 of 1846 🔗

Feeling a bit broken today, like so many others. Been an odd week. But today, where I have tried to be positive I just can’t find it. It’s an entirely infested nonsense world. As I posted earlier. I shared a Mike Yeadon video with my brother. Who then rejected watching it as it was on a “right wing” platform. How many other people see the world in casual right and left dynamics ? This is my own brother who can’t see the economic impact to my family of Austerity and now Covid. Unwilling to watch something that denounces the Government he claims to hate. Odd. As is the fact that not once has he said “sorry to hear that” when I have mentioned by wife’s 71% pay or her furlough. Not interested. All for the greater good seems to be his idea.

Not quite connected. We left London last year as could not afford to live there anymore as a family. We restarted and found a nice place to live. Spent the year loving the outside, hating the amount of time we spent looking at the walls. Watching our family growing apart via zoom or face time. Pockets of normal in and around just shit. A prisoner who committed no crime. Millions of people put into even deeper poverty, kids thrown to the wolves at the behest of point scoring unions. The Eton elites throwing scraps to the masses – no you can’t have all your wages – here’s 80% think yourselves lucky – fuck you.

I want to cry and destroy in equal measure. Nothing justified this world ripping itself apart. Especially so when it was not that “fair” to begin with. I don’t know if I lack the courage to chuck it all in or if I am brave for keep facing it and pushing back.

257116 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1093 of 1846 🔗

I empathize with your angst. There are thousands feeling similar emotions in a vast variety of situations.

“For the Greater Good”???

No : ” For the Minority’s Evil”

Is it just a rumour or are Christmas performances of ‘The Messiah” (on Zoom, of course) to be cut to just the one chorus : “For We Like Sheep”???

257126 ▶▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to RickH, 3, #1094 of 1846 🔗

Or indeed “Why do the Nations so furiously rage together; why do the people imagine a vain thing?”
“Let us break their bonds asunder, and cast away their yokes from us” is a pretty good rallying cry!

257131 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1095 of 1846 🔗

Stay strong Lee your brother is narrow minded and I have no doubt there will come a day when he will realise the error of his ways.

257138 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Leemc23, 7, #1096 of 1846 🔗

I had the same experience with my siblings. Apparently, common sense isn’t hereditary.

257369 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1097 of 1846 🔗

When this is over (thats me being optimistic – take note!) – someone should set up a Sceptic recruitment agency – no sheeple allowed. We deserve better than them – they have dragged us down with them and ruined our lives for us.

257407 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CGL, 1, #1098 of 1846 🔗

That is an excellent idea, although I fear that the last thing employers want is employees who think for themselves.

257152 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1099 of 1846 🔗

Disgraceful to hear this Alexei. It is outrageous what our government are doing and the populace are wilfully supporting.

257157 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1100 of 1846 🔗

I’ve just been ready some quotations of Jacques Ellul on propaganda. I can see quite clearly how some of the people I love, and in most other ways revere, have been led by the nose. It’s not because they’re stupid, or easily coerced generally, and they’re good folk, but it IS easy to fall into the traps set by some very nasty manipulators.
Search Jaques Ellul propaganda quotes, and go to goodreads.com

257258 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Banjones, #1101 of 1846 🔗

I’m so glad you mentioned that book! I’ve been trying to remember the author’s name all week! I read it back in the 70s when it was written and wanted to read it again. Thanks!

257370 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Banjones, #1102 of 1846 🔗

Jacques Ellul’s ‘The technological society’ is also worth reading.

257169 ▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1103 of 1846 🔗

Go and do some destroying.
Start by ripping up some Covvie notices. It’s easy and therapeutic.

257096 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 11, #1105 of 1846 🔗

“Cases” have stopped rising and there are promising signs that the lockdown is working, says Wankers.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Bodgers would reply.

257113 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Stuart, 18, #1106 of 1846 🔗

If the numbers go down (deaths, hospitalisations, cases, whatever), it proves that lockdowns, social distancing face masks, whatever, work; if the numbers go up, it proves that more draconian measures and enforcement required. Whatever the evidence, the lockdownistas say it proves they are right. This is precisely how pseudoscience and propaganda work.

257129 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, #1107 of 1846 🔗

I hope that come 2nd Dec, the numbers have continues to fall, the govt struggles to make the case for an extension and that in opening up a bit (with tiers or whatever) numbers continue to fall (as would be expected).

Then we can tell the whole thing to fuck off

257137 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steve_w, 2, #1108 of 1846 🔗

No chance. “The numbers have fallen due to our strict lockdown but we cannot take out foot off the brake as we wrestle the invisible enemy to the ground. If we relax now the numbers will shoot up as the invisible enemy gets back on its feet-so I’m sorry but we must have nationwide tier 4 for another 3 weeks”.

257142 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1109 of 1846 🔗

maybe. 1st lockdown mass compliance. 2nd lockdown lots of ‘murmerings’, Conservative backbenchers, Lord Sumption etc etc etc

number 3 will be harder still. Not saying its impossible but the longer it goes, the more they are proved wrong

257148 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to steve_w, 1, #1110 of 1846 🔗

I hope you’re right. I expect Lockdown3 (announced on 2 January “for an initial period of 6 weeks”) will be a much harder sell.

257154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Now More Than Ever, 4, #1111 of 1846 🔗

we are nearing herd immunity, nothing else can explain the data. the numbers won’t justify it. no-one is going to buy another 50k per week/graph of doom. the actual data won’t support it and people are getting tired of ‘projections’

257161 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 2, #1112 of 1846 🔗

the actual data won’t support it

They haven’t used data to impose the lockdown measures. They have used the results of computer models, which they call data.

257164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1113 of 1846 🔗

And the models were based on ‘data’ from Wikipedia?

257167 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1114 of 1846 🔗

and I think they have come to the end of that with their ‘justification’ for lockdown 2. lockdown1 – I could see through their modelling because of my background. lockdown2 – everyone could see through it!

257190 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steve_w, #1115 of 1846 🔗

And as if by magic https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8969655/Most-lockdown-rules-STAY-national-shutdown-ends-December-2-infections-rebound.html
“Dr Hopson told The Times that lockdown will have to be replaced with ‘something that is sufficiently tough’ on December 2 because he feared England may be in a ‘Covid halfway-house’ in which cases only start to fall at the end of lockdown.
‘Tier One and Tier Two simply weren’t effective enough,’ he said, adding Tier Three should be the new normal and, where it hadn’t worked, it should be replaced with a ‘super-tier, Tier Four’.

257198 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to arfurmo, #1116 of 1846 🔗

cases have been falling since Nov 1st

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

257373 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1117 of 1846 🔗

Another random who is ruling us now. Seriously. Getting really tired of nobodies now on their 5 minutes of fame.

257512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #1118 of 1846 🔗

They can attempt to lockdown indefinitely, but I think what will stop them is fatigue in the general population. Most people have no concept of statistics or relative risk and probably think that common law is the opposite of posh law, but I think they are beginning to get fed up with the endless restrictions particularly when hardly anybody is getting ill. Traffic levels show there is much, much less compliance this time round. The fear just is not there any more.

257358 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to arfurmo, #1119 of 1846 🔗

Tell them to shove it.

257362 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1120 of 1846 🔗

Go to #10 fully masked, stand there and laugh your heads off for as long as you can. Boris is a buffoon.

257356 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to steve_w, #1121 of 1846 🔗

But they wont allow it – they HAVE to win

257098 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #1122 of 1846 🔗

Attention was drawn earlier to the Police raid on the flat of a German doctor.

The local Police have now confirmed that the raid took place.

They say however, that the raid was not directed against the doctor. They refuse any further statement.

https://twitter.com/PolizeiMFR/status/1329685255427592192

Clip still up on Youtube and Twitter.

They want this out there.

Several hours after the controversial legal changes went into effect.

Coincidence . I don’t think so.

This is where it’s heading.

257367 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, #1123 of 1846 🔗

They claim he was living with criminal Russian elements. That’s what some of the tweets were claiming.

257103 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 10, #1124 of 1846 🔗

The latest from The Bernician:

COVID-1984 PCP UPDATE | After having no red flags raised by the legal advisers at Westminster Magistrates Court this week, we understand that the warrant application is now before the nominated judge and that a decision is imminent.
I realise that things are not happening as quickly as we would all like but please understand that it took six weeks to get to this stage in my family’s PCP against BOS and its receivers in 2013, so in reality the case has progressed at a relatively rapid pace.
We must also take into consideration the fact that, before he rules on the matter, the judge will have to ascertain whether the Director of Public Prosecutions is electing to take over the case, on the ground that it is of such importance that it cannot run as a private prosecution.
Either way, in the absence of a miscarriage of justice, the warrant will be issued and as soon as there are any developments, you will read about them on this page.

257144 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Basileus, 6, #1125 of 1846 🔗
257151 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1126 of 1846 🔗

very good!

257120 Voz 0db, 2, #1127 of 1846 🔗

no need for much explanation!

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257122 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1128 of 1846 🔗

A very merry Christmas from Ireland

A day after Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said: “Over 90% fewer fatalities in Covid second wave”, rumours circulate about what the Irish Gov will “let” the public do over Christmas. According to the Irish Examiner:
“Covid-19: Inter-county travel ban could be lifted for Christmas, but government warns against ‘free for all’
Families could be allowed to gather for one day over the Christmas period under plans being considered by the Government.”

“We have to give people hope,” said one minister.
“We will have restrictions for quite a while, that will be easier with a decent Christmas,” said another.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40086092.html

Well, that’s great then guys – keep flattening everything and we’ll see how ye fare next year!

257136 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1129 of 1846 🔗

And still they’re banging on about this ”second wave” (another Newspeak ‘S’ word) when the top scientists (not those in the risible ‘sage’) say there’ll be no such thing.

257123 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #1130 of 1846 🔗

I posted a link to the Daily Mail article on the Danish mask study, and Facebook flagged it as being partly false information.

257204 ▶▶ chrissie, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1131 of 1846 🔗

Because its “against WHO-recommendations” I guess. We have been thrown back into the times of witch-burning.

257355 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Londo Mollari, #1132 of 1846 🔗

Sabotage FB.

257124 Kevin 2, #1133 of 1846 🔗

Interesting stuff on the Eco Health Alliance and Peter Daszak in particular, as they go into damage limitation and deflection and denial.

https://greatgameindia.com/natural-origin-covid-19-myth/

257127 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1134 of 1846 🔗

There are people who have independently looked at the evidence and realised its a load of bollox (ie me)

There are others who could be swayed

There are those who in changing their minds would have to accept that the decisions they’ve made previously have caused huge suffering, loss of life, destroyed careers, mass poverty in developing countries (SAGE and the govt). Its expected that they will expect a higher bar of evidence before they accept they were wrong. In fact it would be mad to assume they won’t be the last people in the country who do change their minds (if at all).

If the govt wants out of this it needs to ignore SAGE, reconstitute SAGE with new members, have a ‘lockdown SAGE’ that does what it says on the tin, shoot SAGE etc. Someone has to take the blame to allow others to change course. Maybe SAGE blame Ferguson – I don’t care. But people that make dreadful decisions unwittingly are going to struggle to admit it. I think the WW1 references I read on here are very apt.

257132 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, #1135 of 1846 🔗

If this is true (and it’s been around a while now) then they won’t change their minds:
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/
It’s a nice little earner.

257134 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to steve_w, #1136 of 1846 🔗

Its worrying that they have discovered power and don’t want it to end

257140 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1137 of 1846 🔗

Its bunker/downfall stuff. But it will end. The problem I’m trying to get at is that we might be out of this, back to normal and SAGE members will still be predicting doom and claiming they were right. They are too mentally invested. We need to get out of this without the need to convince SAGE as they will be the last ones

257145 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to steve_w, #1138 of 1846 🔗

Even when Boris, Wancock, the WHO, or whoever declares that the pandemic is over (doubtless not for at least 12 months yet) SAGE will be insisting that the risk was never greater.

257353 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #1139 of 1846 🔗

Stuff S.A.G.E. in your Christmas turkey.

257146 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to steve_w, 1, #1140 of 1846 🔗

I agree,although SAGE appear to be an NGO cartel, more than science. They are financially invested and will be feted by their companies for keeping the rhetoric going to bring in the cash. Same with many in government.

257150 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 6, #1141 of 1846 🔗

For the lockdownistas, it does not matter what the evidence is, they are right. If the numbers go down, it proves lockdowns, social distancing, face masks, etc work; if the numbers go up, it proves that more draconian measures and enforcement is needed.

257159 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1142 of 1846 🔗

This is the same in many walks of life. ‘one last push lads – lets walk slowly towards those machine gun nests’. people are not rational actors. but these things always end. I’m just of the mind that it won’t end by changing the minds of SAGE. For them to admit they were wrong would be to also admit they have caused the greatest tragedy to ever befall this country. We need it to end by a change of SAGE (or govt, or Boris etc), not by a change of their minds

257359 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 3, #1143 of 1846 🔗

I think that’s a good mindset. Very rounded. And I agree on many fronts.

I always think to WWII and the liberation of the camps. Those who denied reality needed visual footage, the smoking gun. Does one exist here? I believe its the PCR. A case which showed it not fit for purpose and has led to massive overestimated numbers would be one. Then, with further analysis of how we allowed it to emerge as the bell weather for this, we might uncover the conflicts of interest and individuals who have pushed the agenda.

257149 petgor, replying to petgor, 6, #1144 of 1846 🔗

It occurred to me that whichever pharma is given the valuable vaccine contract must be worried about potential claims if there are side effects. But not to worry as it seems that the government has kindly agreed to indemnify the chosen pharma or at least us the idiot taxpayer as well potentially injured party, will be providing the indemnity (a certain irony there methinks) and somebody can’t be that sure of success.

257162 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to petgor, 1, #1145 of 1846 🔗

Pretty sure they did the same thing with Swine-flu vaccine and this happened…

https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

257222 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1147 of 1846 🔗

Effect on benefits you receive

 A Vaccine Damage Payment can affect benefits and entitlements like:

  • Income Support
  • Income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance
  • Working Tax Credit
  • Child Tax Credit
  • Universal Credit
  • Pension Credit
  • Housing Benefit
  • Council Tax Reduction
  • Employment and Support Allowance
257240 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1148 of 1846 🔗

£120k is not going to go far if someone has a life changing reaction to the vaccine.

257245 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1149 of 1846 🔗

Nope. Eligibility:

  • “influenza, except for influenza caused by a pandemic influenza virus
257348 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to petgor, #1150 of 1846 🔗

Reject them.

257178 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mjr, 7, #1152 of 1846 🔗

Right Said Fred have been openly sceptical for a while

Not sure you could say Robbie William’s song was “anti lockdown” as such but I’ve only seen a trailer

Still, the more celebs speak up the more normalised anti lockdown messages become

257186 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, 5, #1153 of 1846 🔗

just watched the Robbie one and yes – its a bit masks and sanitiser but the “lets have proper christmas” message is still powerful.

probably concerned about getting BBC airplay (Je taime, god save the queen, relax, ……… christmas …. there is a history )

257216 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Julian, 3, #1154 of 1846 🔗

The more the merrier. The Right Said Fred song is very anti lockdown. Great stuff.

257182 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, #1155 of 1846 🔗

Thanks so much, great link.

Love watching the interview with Lay Burley that asked them if they will not upset the frontline workers. Good for you guys, well done, brilliant message

Even said that people walking on street with masks breathing in their own air not a good thing if you don’t have to

257158 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 50, #1156 of 1846 🔗

A friend of ours was diagnosed with Leiomyosarcoma in March and, due entirely to this scamdemic, had to wait nearly 5 months for surgery. The result was that she lost a kidney as the cancer had spread. She had a scan last week and yesterday was rung by the consultant and asked to attend today. Today she has been told that it has invaded her liver. She is terminal. This is what is happening in the UK today. Utter neglect from the NHS and every illness neglected for what? A flu no worse than many we’ve already survived without even knowing about them. The worst part is that her husband is a doctor! I am now beyond anger at the collaborators allowing this to happen by swallowing the lies and letting this happen. The amount of abuse they hurl at us and threats of arrest and forced vaccination makes me see them as evil and guilty of perpetuating these obscenities. The day we all say ‘Enough’ and open pubs, shops etc and refuse testing etc, this will end. Surely the Police cannot and will not arrest us all?

257163 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mutineer, 19, #1157 of 1846 🔗

So sorry about your friend. She is a victim of murderous cruelty and neglect.
There will be a reckoning.

257343 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 7, #1158 of 1846 🔗

Thousands of class action lawsuits. Worldwide. Sue the World Bank, the IMF, Bill Gates, W.E.F., W.H.O., China, the United Nations, ad infinitum. They deserve it.

257175 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Mutineer, 11, #1159 of 1846 🔗

So sorry to read that. Murdering cowards.

257193 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mutineer, 18, #1160 of 1846 🔗

That’s terrible. Truly awful.

I feel like a total shit even suggesting it, but perhaps the people who have been sentenced to death by the government could stand together and campaign against this shit show.

I would hope that a poster showing such people holding a piece of card saying “I was murdered by lockdown” might have a sobering effect on the general public.

257320 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #1161 of 1846 🔗

Absolutely – i said earlier that if this awful scenario were to befall me i would put in writing who had murdered me.

257212 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Mutineer, 11, #1162 of 1846 🔗

State sanctioned murder, pure and simple. 😠 If, it was a loved one of mine, I’d be in jail by now.

257213 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Mutineer, 18, #1163 of 1846 🔗

So to hear about your friend.

We on LS are hearing about far too many people who due to treatment or diagnostics being delayed are in the same sad position as your friend.

The fact that your friends husband is a doctor is shocking.

This is a disgrace, what are the medical profession doing about it… turning away and pretending everything is fine.

257215 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mutineer, 8, #1164 of 1846 🔗

Very sorry to hear that, we need to get these stories heard.

257249 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Mutineer, 7, #1165 of 1846 🔗

We really need to get these stories out there so that people understand the real human cost of lockdown and not just charts, numbers and models. Pass this story to their MP if you can. I’d suggest sending these accounts to the media as well but they would probably characterise it as caused by coronavirus rather than lockdown. They are too far gone.

257380 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mutineer, 3, #1166 of 1846 🔗

They cannot arrest us all, but we can arrest all of them once we have the will.

257385 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Mutineer, 3, #1167 of 1846 🔗

I feel so angry for the suffering of your friend , cruel and heartless , in fact criminal neglect . I wish it was different

257811 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Mutineer, 3, #1168 of 1846 🔗

This is awful. So sorry to hear about your friend. This should be all over the media, but of course it won’t be.

We can only hope those responsible pay a heavy price. Prison and financial ruin. Of course that won’t happen either.

This is hell.

257166 Kev, replying to Kev, 22, #1169 of 1846 🔗

It seems to me this will only end, when enough people decide it ends and stop taking orders.

It would appear the government have no intention of allowing this to end, facts and evidence are getting us nowhere.

Legal challenges can’t succed where the rule of law does not exist.

257177 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kev, 4, #1170 of 1846 🔗

I agree

I also think that writing to MPs is worthwhile. Like Jim Hacker they just want to be popular.

I have written every couple of weeks to mine. I can see his attitude change over time from ‘flatten the curve’ to ‘joined cons backbench rebellion’. They need help justifying their decisions.

257207 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 1, #1171 of 1846 🔗

The useless 95% just give you painful bullshit. VeRy ClEvEr ExPeRtS said ExPoNeNtIaL gRoWtH!

257217 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to steve_w, 1, #1172 of 1846 🔗

I agree. Have just written again to my MP to say what a disgrace Hancock is amongst other things.

257456 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to steve_w, #1173 of 1846 🔗

Agree. My MP is Labour and I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for a while, as she has been generally very helpful & well-regarded in our area. She talked about the importance of holding the Gov to account every month, yada yada. Which sounded OK some months ago, but that was then, this is now.
I have since adopted a slightly more direct tone since, try to keep it reasonably short but hard hitting, eg.- direct them towards Yeadon; & note the flaws in the test with an undeclared false pos rate, and the fact that the PCR test is not a diagnostic tool for infectious diseases, as Prof. Allyson Pollock stated clearly on the BBC: it cannot determine ‘whether you actually have the infection, or whether you are infectious’… the fact that this is the driver of policy is beyond scandalous. And unless they start asking very, very serious questions about it, quickly, Labour are complicit and will have to account for that.

Essentially, to be blunt, they need to either take a pi** or get off the pot. Because their options will be extremely limited, – in the event of any kind of serious distension &/or leadership challenge to Boris, where do Labour go from here? either look like idiots as they sit quietly & do nothing, or (b), jump up and say, “Oh yes we knew he was wrong all along, Tories out…Labour in…” in which case the obvious question to them will be plain and simple – they’re supposed to be opposition; when did the opposition really stand up?

257187 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 18, #1174 of 1846 🔗

Finland Says WHO’s Coronavirus Protocol Doesn’t Work
In a startling disclosure, a senior Finnish health official has dismissed a World Health Organization advisory saying WHO doesn’t understand pandemics and that their Coronavirus testing protocol is illogical and doesn’t work.

Finland has 400 confirmed cases of coronavirus but no reported deaths so far.
A senior Finnish health official has dismissed a World Health Organization (WHO) advisory to test as many people as possible for coronavirus, arguing that such a measure would be completely illogical when combating a pandemic. Finland’s head of health security, Mika Salminen, took aim at the notion that stopping the spread of Covid-19 requires testing on a mass-scale.
“We don’t understand the WHO’s instructions for testing. We can’t fully remove the disease from the world anymore,”she said, adding: “If someone claims that, they don’t understand pandemics.”

Citing limited supplies, Finland has narrowed coronavirus testing to high-risk individuals and medical workers. Salminen told local media that screening for the virus should be done where it will be “effective,” not simply “where there is concern” about the respiratory disease.
“Those who may be sick at home do not benefit from testing,” she said.

https://greatgameindia.com/finland-says-whos-coronavirus-protocol-doesnt-work/

257194 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #1175 of 1846 🔗

So I wonder if they’ve also been testing properly, ie. no more than 30 cycles

257201 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1176 of 1846 🔗

Nah… Bellow Ct30 most PCR would come out “negative”!

PROFIT it’s all that matters for them…

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257991 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #1177 of 1846 🔗

Correction: From Ct 20 – Ct 30 most of the available kits return a “positive” amplification… At least the ones I’ve read! Around 20.

257202 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1178 of 1846 🔗

Probably…

(You can bet that NZ is using 30 cycles or less, seeing as they want to maintain the facade of having kept out/eradicated the virus. Reverse deception.)

257211 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Kevin 2, #1179 of 1846 🔗

It is not a facade, but it is an act of gross stupidity, as NZ won’t be able to keep it out forever. The vaccines won’t achieve elimination of a coronavirus and they will likely be highly dangerous and possibly intentionally so.

257199 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #1180 of 1846 🔗

Of course it doesn’t… But that’s on purpose! The BILL GATES WHO wanted to create a FAKE PANDEMIC using PCR. And he was successful!

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257226 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1181 of 1846 🔗

This “Pandemic” is a massive fake, whether or not the Sars-cov-2 coronavirus actually exists. Gates has already promised us a “Pandemic 2” and I suspect, that it will be caused by a virus or other agent, which is expressly designed to do real damage to those poor souls, who have been vaccinated for Covid-19.

257230 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Rowan, 5, #1182 of 1846 🔗

Indeed they are already preparing the next one!

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And this one will HELP EVEN MORE with Their plan to cut meat production!

257300 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1183 of 1846 🔗

Thanks for the laugh VO

257206 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #1184 of 1846 🔗

Sage advice from Finland (no pun intended 😁 ). It drives me absolutely insane of why we are testing whole communities. Test the very vunerable (if the vunerable want testing). People with symptoms, stay in the house, like you would if you had proper flu. It’s not f@cking rocket science ffs. Why does SAGE, the slippery Pig et al not know this? Maybe they do, and we are wasting our time coming up with mountains of data and evidence to blow their stance out of the water. Unfortunately for the truth, the MSM are bought and paid for, along with their so called celebrity Doctors.

The longer the lies persist, the worse it will be for the cabal and it’s collaborators.

257221 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to FlynnQuill, #1185 of 1846 🔗

The problem is that the cabal and its collaborators are still maintaining them.

257188 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1186 of 1846 🔗

Following the Danish mask study, this update to the previous study on interventions including masks. Big read..summary: wash your hands, throw the masks in the bin…

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub5/full#CD006207-sec-0173

257210 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1187 of 1846 🔗

Thanks. This is the pdf of the summary / normal language version https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub5/epdf/abstract

257229 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 1, #1188 of 1846 🔗

On that paper they don’t include the Danish paper!

Main results

We included 44 new RCTs and cluster-RCTs in this update, bringing the total number of randomised trials to 67. There were no included studies conducted during the COVID-19 pandemic.

257282 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1189 of 1846 🔗

So facebook “fact checked” my shared post about the masks from the spectator and have said it’s false information! And the fact check is merely other people’s opinions, nothing more.

257335 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1190 of 1846 🔗

Eff FB!
I decided to use my FB page as a server for anyone who sent me a friend request. Now I have hundreds of friends. Plus all their friends and their friends friends, etc. They’re multiplying faster than minks.

257189 chris, replying to chris, 1, #1191 of 1846 🔗

Sorry if this is linked elsewhere but this is so scary

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Cnn4TImgl2HI/

257195 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to chris, 3, #1192 of 1846 🔗

No need to be scared… Just don’t take any jab! There is no need for it.

257197 Anthony, 1, #1193 of 1846 🔗

‘The lab where the real-time PCR assay was run was kept under positive pressure for processing purposes, which meant no air from other areas was supposed to enter this room and potentially contaminate the assay.’

Not sure if the labs are set up this way but it seems like it’s the opposite of how it should be.

The PCR area should be under negative pressure to stop amplification products from leaving the lab and entering the set up area (and therefore being re-amplified potentially causing false positives)

257209 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1194 of 1846 🔗

Another council’s FOI answer about using PCR tests to call all positive tests a case and to justify restrictions:

Response: We are not aware of any documentation or guidance that relates to using PCR tests outwith any intended use.

257219 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Awkward Git, #1195 of 1846 🔗

Point them in the direction of the Government’s own guidance!

257227 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1196 of 1846 🔗

You’re like a one man FOI machine AG – your files must be bursting!

257253 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1197 of 1846 🔗

Slight cheek on my part, but how would one go about making an FOI request to the right dept. asking if any foreign nationals are being employed as Police, and deployed at demonstrations?

257268 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1198 of 1846 🔗

See my post above with reference to the Met and non-UK nationals – just posted it.

But just search for FOI at any department or government agency you want and there will be a page telling you how to go about it.

257323 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1199 of 1846 🔗

Mark Windows: ‘The way to win is to humiliate the enemy. Make sure they are told how full of hate and intolerance they really are’.

257337 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #1200 of 1846 🔗

What are they saying? What strange language

257223 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1201 of 1846 🔗

I need a concise leaflet for handing out as people go into or leave shops.

The people who put muzzles on as they walk through the door clearly do not want to be wearing these things and getting info at that point may just work.

Rosie made a comment about speaking to a person in Holland & Barratt and that seemed to have the right effect.

Simple to the point, info for the masses.

Any leaflets out already which I can download and print.

I am going to ignore the younger people who seem happy to get out of cars already muzzled!

257365 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1202 of 1846 🔗

I knocked up one based on the WHO masks guidance highlighting harms of mask wearing. From page 8 of the technical guidance document. I’d upload my leaflet if I knew how to but here’s the text anyway. I stuck a suitable heading and the WHO logo at the top:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

Potential harms/disadvantages
The likely disadvantages of the use of mask by healthy people in the general public include:
• potential increased risk of self-contamination due to the manipulation of a face mask and subsequently touching
eyes with contaminated hands;(48, 49)
• potential self-contamination that can occur if nonmedical masks are not changed when wet or soiled. This
can create favourable conditions for microorganism to amplify;
• potential headache and/or breathing difficulties, depending on type of mask used;
• potential development of facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne, when used frequently for
long hours;(50)
• difficulty with communicating clearly;
• potential discomfort;(41, 51)
• a false sense of security, leading to potentially lower adherence to other critical preventive measures such as
physical distancing and hand hygiene;
• poor compliance with mask wearing, in particular by young children;
• waste management issues; improper mask disposal leading to increased litter in public places, risk of
contamination to street cleaners and environment hazard;
• difficulty communicating for deaf persons who rely on lip reading;
• disadvantages for or difficulty wearing them, especially for children, developmentally challenged persons, those
with mental illness, elderly persons with cognitive impairment, those with asthma or chronic respiratory or
breathing problems, those who have had facial trauma or recent oral maxillofacial surgery, and those living in hot
and humid environments.

257225 Dale, replying to Dale, 8, #1203 of 1846 🔗

Rebel Tory MP’s in December. “If you lock down one more time!”

257231 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dale, 9, #1204 of 1846 🔗

It might not be badged as LD3 but it’ll be back to regional tiers, now stricter because they can carrot-wave a “vaccine”. As always Labour will vote for it.

257239 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to DRW, 4, #1205 of 1846 🔗

And the local councils will be rubbing their hands with glee as their cash tills are ringing. Essential support for local businesses = money we can spunk up against the wall on our pet projects.

257228 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1206 of 1846 🔗

My MP doesn’t reply to anything. He’s voted against the government every time, but doesn’t appear to be interested in constituents views

257232 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1207 of 1846 🔗

These are the MPs that should be targeted at the next election – Make sure they never get voted in again by assisting another candidate from another party.

257236 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Victoria, 8, #1208 of 1846 🔗

He’s voted against the government though. I would forgive his tacitness. Dan, I’ll swap you for the useless sack of commie shit we’re lumbered with.

257242 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to dickyboy, 4, #1209 of 1846 🔗

I’m in Tobias Ellwood’s constituency. He doesn’t reply but he always votes with the government. I’d happily trade him in for almost anyone.

257301 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #1210 of 1846 🔗

Would that be “reserve” Lt Col Tobias Ellwood of 77th Brigade? (Fact).

IMO, the government’s chief propaganda officer.

257613 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to John P, #1211 of 1846 🔗

Lieutenant Colonel. Puh. Toy soldier. (Not all reservists, of course – but he’s an example of the sort sneered at by real soldiers.)

257608 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to ConstantBees, #1212 of 1846 🔗

Same with ours. She replies sometimes. But she voted FOR the lockdown, then immediately joined the rebels. Hypocrite, or what?
Self-serving, arrogant nowts – nearly all of them.

257250 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to dickyboy, #1213 of 1846 🔗

My MP wants Corbyn back. Nuff said.

257310 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #1214 of 1846 🔗

You think he would be worse?!

I think Toby published a good piece about this phenomenon the other day, but perhaps not with J Corbyn in mind.

You read the corona bullshit on one page and feel disgust at all the lies … and then turn to the next page smearing Corbyn and you think how right the papers are.

What makes you think that what you’ve been told about Corbyn is any more true than what you’ve been told about Corona?

Corbyn is not PM, and never will be. You don’t know what his government might have done.

(PS: I didn’t vote at the last election. I’m not a Corbynista).

257787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to John P, #1215 of 1846 🔗

Whatever anyone here thinks of corbyn and i am a big fan of his, he was an excellent lOTO is a thoroughly decent person voiced deep concerns about the coronavirus act gave us furlough and is a career very serious mindef politician who would have given far more in depth thought to all of this than johnson has. He wouldn’t have been controlled by witless and unbalanced and would never ever have dished out billions of pounds worth of contracts to his friends and labour party donors. He is a man of great personal integrity and decency whatever u think of him. He deserves far greater respect.

257265 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to dickyboy, 1, #1216 of 1846 🔗

Yes, that’s a big plus but one reply he did make at the beginning was, why was I concerned about masks when they were not going to be permanent. Since then nothing

257315 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #1217 of 1846 🔗

LibDems? Labour?

257604 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, #1218 of 1846 🔗

”The next election”? Now THERE’s optimism!

257244 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Dan Clarke, #1219 of 1846 🔗

Same boat here – long standing Tory safe seat and she won’t even reply to an email. I think I might start picketing her constituency office.

257295 ▶▶ John P, replying to Dan Clarke, #1220 of 1846 🔗

At least he is opposed to the government.

Mine can’t get enough of the Tories and he’s a frontbench Labour MP!

257319 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1221 of 1846 🔗

That’s better than most MPs though. My useless Tory stooge always sends replies full of the approved bullshit.

257458 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to DRW, 2, #1222 of 1846 🔗

Mine put on her Twitter feed that she voted to ‘Save lives and protect the NHS’. Notwithstanding that this meant her constituents moving from Tier 1 to lockdown overnight.

Yesterday, despite a consistent history of voting against climate change measures, she was extolling the virtues of Johnson’s green revolution.

A party aparatchik with all the integrity and intellectual compass of a sweet wrapper caught in the wind.

She won’t be getting my vote in future.

257618 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, #1223 of 1846 🔗

Mine too. I told her I didn’t want to hear any more from her, that it was a waste of a stamp and that if I wanted to know the party line, then I’d look at the website.

257238 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 11, #1224 of 1846 🔗

It is clear from both official figures as well as data collected from Tim Spector’s ZOE Covid Symptom Study app, that cases in many areas are now falling. Moreover, cases started falling before lockdown 2 was imposed. The most likely explanation is that herd immunity is steadily building. So, no need for mass vaccination and no need for further lockdowns. In the meantime, the PHE’s Medical Advisor, Susan Hopkins, together with a number of SAGE members, are trying to bounce the government into a third lockdown in January. Reports say ministers are alarmed by what these people are saying to the media, in which case the government should sack the guilty culprits.

257247 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to James Marker, 13, #1225 of 1846 🔗

I agree. Cases falling, deaths levelling off and all cause mortality not exceptional.

SAGE needs ignoring or told to go away and come back with a detailed report on the health effects of lockdown.

But really, anybody that advocates for the mass incarceration of their fellow citizens for any reason should be in prison or a mental home

257254 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 1, #1226 of 1846 🔗

They’re already sayng it’s because full LD is working and “proves” we need stricter measures.

257256 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DRW, 12, #1227 of 1846 🔗

I’ve said it before, but the only way this ends is with civil disobedience, nothing else. The politicians aren’t listening, or don’t care.

257259 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to DRW, 11, #1228 of 1846 🔗

So this is what they’ll be thinking:

“Oh shit! If we stop the lockdown now and the numbers keep falling without a lockdown in place, the game’s up!”

Therefore, expect the hardest lockdown they can get away with from December 2 onwards.

257267 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #1229 of 1846 🔗

Especially as they can carrot-wave a “vaccine just around the corner” which is the next step in the plan. Not that compliance is anything near they wish it was.

257346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 3, #1230 of 1846 🔗

Just seem a headline about them vaccinating 50-64 or olds from December – they’ll have to bloody catch me first!

257562 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to DRW, 1, #1231 of 1846 🔗

I don’t think people under the age of 50 are going to take it. In fact I am not sure people under 60 will.

257626 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, #1232 of 1846 🔗

Hopeful people are more easily controlled, but the volume must be managed. Too much hope leaves a person emboldened and resistant. Too little leaves them disabled and useless. But just the right amount of hope subjugates them. They cradle it like a dying ember, and they’ll do anything to keep the wind from extinguishing it…..”

257311 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1233 of 1846 🔗

Just ignore them. Laugh in their faces.

257480 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1234 of 1846 🔗

I’m feeling quite positive at the moment. Due to a legal loophole (can’t go into details here as its unique to our situation), I’m going to be out with my sports team at the weekend. Plus got invited to a business meeting with a couple of friends from the pub, to discuss some charity work we’re organising. There will of course be refreshments.

257670 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1235 of 1846 🔗

Enjoy!

257747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1236 of 1846 🔗

Excellent. Enjoy.

257589 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1237 of 1846 🔗

I smell a RAT. A Race Against Time. How to keep the proles under control until the vaccine can be made ready. Becoming difficult, but possible so long as they keep massaging the ‘testing’ figures, that so many proles actually believe.
We don’t have to argue about how many are ”false positive” and how many are ”cases” and how many are ”negatives” – because we could be told ANYTHING and we have no way of knowing if the figures are genuine.

257556 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to DRW, 4, #1238 of 1846 🔗

Baker told Wancock to correct that lie in the House.

257269 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Marker, #1239 of 1846 🔗

“Decline in cases slows despite lockdown November 20, 2020
According to the ZOE COVID Symptom Study UK Infection Survey figures based on swab tests data from up five days ago, the drop in the number of daily new cases for the UK overall has slowed down but the real picture is distorted by regional differences.
Key findings from ZOE COVID Symptom Study UK Infection Survey this week:

  • There are currently 34,279 daily new symptomatic cases of COVID in the UK on average over the two weeks up to 15 November (excluding care homes)
  • This compares to 35,963 daily new symptomatic cases a week ago
  • The UK R value is around 1.0
  • Regional R values are: England, 1.0. Wales, 0.9. Scotland, 0.9
  • Worryingly, the East of England and especially The Midlands are both seeing numbers still increasing with R values of 1.1 and 1.0 respectively.
  • In Wales and Scotland the number of daily new cases continues to decline with R values of 0.9
  • The North West and the North East and Yorkshire, both have R values of 0.9 with numbers still declining since their peak at the end of October
  • However, in the southern regions of England, cases are not declining despite lockdown restrictions, with R Values of 1 in South East, London and South West
  • Age groups: Reassuringly, the number of cases in the over-60s remains fairly flat in most regions

The ZOE COVID Symptom Study UK Infection Survey figures are based on around one million weekly reporters and the proportion of newly symptomatic users who have positive swab tests. The latest survey figures were based on data from 13,014 swab tests done between 1 to 15 November 2020.
If you’d like to receive the full daily report for the ZOE COVID Symptom Study app, head to: https://covid.joinzoe.com/your-contribution&nbsp ;

Tim Spector, Professor of Genetic Epidemiology at King’s College London, comments:

“The reason we are now seeing an overall R value of 1.0 in England is because numbers are falling in the North, rising in the Midlands and East but staying flat in the South of England. The continued rise in the Midlands, despite national lockdown is concerning. This suggests an approach focused on improved compliance at regional, not national level over a longer time frame over months is the best way forward. We need to keep cases low enough for us to function as a nation until vaccines arrive without further harmful lockdowns. The good news is that cases in the over 60s, that account for most NHS activity, are remaining low. According to the government hospital data, admissions have only gone up slowly and most parts of the NHS have spare capacity, so as we head into December, it looks like the hospitals won’t be overwhelmed with COVID admissions. ” “

The comments in bold are interesting. He seems to be assuming lockdowns work, and then when they don’t work the answer is more/longer/different/local/better enforced lockdowns. Lockdowns not working so should be abandoned never seems to be the answer.

257285 ▶▶▶ Eamon, replying to Julian, 2, #1240 of 1846 🔗

The R for London has been a nonsense for a while due to the much lower baseline. Large parts of London seem to be sitting right on top of herd immunity at this level of social interaction.

257571 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Eamon, #1241 of 1846 🔗

And not just London, imho.

257288 ▶▶▶ James Marker, replying to Julian, #1242 of 1846 🔗

Well, on 13 November, he said “Having peaked at the end of October , cases are coming down across most areas of the UK”. I don’t see how he can justify tighter restrictions.

257292 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to James Marker, #1243 of 1846 🔗

He can’t, but given the flaccid state of mainstream media and parliamentary opposition he hardly has to.

257317 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to James Marker, 1, #1244 of 1846 🔗

Especially as compliance is much lower this time around.

257299 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 2, #1245 of 1846 🔗

It’s the golden rule now for accepted science. If you want to keep your job:

Lockdowns work
SAGE are gospel

257312 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 1, #1246 of 1846 🔗

Plus the self-reported symptoms will include other colds.

257595 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, #1247 of 1846 🔗

Let’s remember we could be told ANYTHING in the way of test results and we don’t know if they’re genuine.
Or not.

257633 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Julian, #1248 of 1846 🔗

Communism wasn’t a terrible idea, it only failed economically and caused millions of deaths and suffering because people weren’t committed and didn’t do enough communism.

257391 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to James Marker, #1249 of 1846 🔗

Nobody is bouncing anyone, nor is anyone being bounced.

The plan unfolds – SAGE/PHE/the politicos/the media are just acting out their roles.

257430 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, 3, #1250 of 1846 🔗

The government has never followed the science.The science has been made to follow the Government.Any other impression is spin and propaganda.

257453 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #1251 of 1846 🔗

They were following the science for a brief period before the first lockdown. But it was a PR disaster so science was abandoned and Fergie’s report fished back out of the recycling bin in which it had been correctly filed.

257602 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to guy153, 1, #1252 of 1846 🔗

I think you’re being too kind and forgiving. This virus has been a useful diversion – or maybe a plan, who knows? Either way, it is serving its purpose. Ferguson is a useful idiot. And probably Boris is. We now know he’s an idiot anyway – perhaps he was useful too, in his time.

257636 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to JohnB, #1253 of 1846 🔗

World’s biggest LARP.

257486 ▶▶ Will, replying to James Marker, 1, #1254 of 1846 🔗

They have gone completely native and should be sacked.

257580 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to James Marker, #1255 of 1846 🔗

Of course she is. These people don’t recognise the fact that many are on to them. See
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/
Why else would they be interested in keeping the country in shackles till their magic potion appears?

257606 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to James Marker, 2, #1256 of 1846 🔗

We can only hope now that cases fall precipitously everywhere, and remain low even over Christmas, leaving the government with billions of vaccine doses in a warehouse somewhere that no one wants to use. A bit like tamiflu and ventilators.

257609 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1257 of 1846 🔗

And yes, they should sack the entirety of SAGE immediately but I’m not sure they can do much about Independent SAGE.

257637 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1258 of 1846 🔗

I daresay they’re on the same payroll. Perhaps someone will research THEIR conflicts of interest as Dr Zoe Harcombe has done with ‘SAGE’.

257625 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to A. Contrarian, #1259 of 1846 🔗

You know what will happen then though – cook the books so they can get the vaccine out and then give their mates millions of squidooches for more doses.

257667 ▶▶ annie, replying to James Marker, 2, #1260 of 1846 🔗

E.g. they are saying that if you have Christmas dinner with your relatives they will all be dead by February?
Is Bozo going to waddle out, flanked by Witless and Unbalanced, and tell the nation that?

257241 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 4, #1261 of 1846 🔗

What’s today’s ethereal zombie phantom number of testees?

What’s today’s lab enhanced cycle-to-infnity and who-kicked-over-the-slop-bucket number of “positive cases”?

And, “sadly”, deaths? 1500 or thereabouts on a normal day isn’t it? All by/from/with Covid or just some of them?

Planning well advanced on the January Crashout Perpetual Lockdown III?

Scamdemic keeps rolling along.

257293 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Stuart, 1, #1262 of 1846 🔗

They’re usually released at 9pm if they’re going down.

257309 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stuart, 2, #1263 of 1846 🔗

Wagner’s Ring Cycle wasn’t this long.

257372 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to richard riewer, #1264 of 1846 🔗

No, and parts of it are quite good. The decision makers are flawed but admirable.

So, nothing like the never-ending shitshow.

257746 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to richard riewer, #1265 of 1846 🔗

Damn, that’s the plan! Rishi will pay for the crippling national debt by promising his creditors a magic ring…just need to steal it first…

257350 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Stuart, #1266 of 1846 🔗

“sadly” or “tragic”
Don’t people just die any more

257573 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #1267 of 1846 🔗

My grandmother used to say ”of shortage o’ breath”.

257664 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #1268 of 1846 🔗

No. They sadlidie, if Covid is involved.
Even Toby has been known to use the repellent sadlidie phrase.

There are, however, people who die tragically, such as the suicides and sufferers from neglected cancers who have been reported on this site.

257251 Scouse Sceptic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 3, #1269 of 1846 🔗

Looks like my Dr has shared my details in order to push this nonsense “free” COVID-1984 test to Liverpool residents.
Shame it’s no reply otherwise I’d be telling them precisely where to stick the test.

Seriously, what happened to GDPR?
Pretty sure this spam is a blatant breach of that.

257332 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 2, #1270 of 1846 🔗

I opted out of NHS centralised records, but still received an invitation to test. How did they get my data?

257387 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bugle, 2, #1271 of 1846 🔗

Your GP ignored the opt-out ?

257603 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bugle, 1, #1272 of 1846 🔗

Me too. I contacted my GP and they said it wasn’t them, promised to investigate but I’ve heard nothing since. I think if you access healthcare anywhere else and don’t explicitly opt out again, they can legitimately use your details.

257396 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Scouse Sceptic, #1273 of 1846 🔗

we had this months back with emails urging track and trace take up. i queried with my surgery and they knew nothing about it but obviously my email address was held by NHS due to previous treatment.

257404 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 2, #1274 of 1846 🔗

How is anything that’s paid for by taxes “free”. I have never understood that. And I have never consented either.

257967 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Leemc23, #1275 of 1846 🔗

To be fair with Scouse Sceptic (s)he wrote “free”!

It’s just like the “democracy” delusion/illusion…

They think their vote counts at the same time that they think not paying a bill from their wallet means it’s free!

257252 John P, replying to John P, 8, #1276 of 1846 🔗

To those wankers here and elsewhere who labelled Anna Brees a “shill” or “controlled opposition”. Please note, she has now received career damaging temporary bans on facebook and youtube:

https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1329706764485455872

257260 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 3, #1277 of 1846 🔗

Sad to hear

I have not watched everything she has done but she seems to have worked hard and indeed one always expected her career to suffer

I simply didn’t understand the accusations of being a shill

It’s right be to wary but equally we should not be paranoid and should assume good faith unless we have good reason not to

257262 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 1, #1278 of 1846 🔗

Well she probably knew it was coming. This is not an easy battle for her. I hope she has strength now to keep up the good work.

257286 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1279 of 1846 🔗

Oh, she’s not about to give up.

257283 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to John P, 12, #1280 of 1846 🔗

I noticed today that The Dr Mike Yeadon interview Anna did a couple of weeks ago has been removed from her YT Channel.

I think removing what Mike Yeadon has to say is the real target here, I fear for the safety of Dr Mike Yeadon, he is speaking in a way that “the man on the street” would take his info seriously, particularly his latest video.

Remember Dr David Kelly?

257567 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1281 of 1846 🔗

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Then let’s thank God for people like Mike Yeadon et al. And that includes President Trump who is following up on all the fraud, against all odds. Good on them.
At any age it’s a big thing to fight. At their age, to stand up and be counted is really quite heroic.

257289 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 9, #1282 of 1846 🔗

I can’t have anything other than the utmost respect for anyone who is sticking their head above the parapet in the face of what we’re seeing and she’s most certainly been doing that.

257459 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 2, #1283 of 1846 🔗

I don’t think that there are many – just the usual cluster of malcontents with nothing much to say.

Certainly, the way in which Anna Brees is being censored is very sinister : ‘misinformation’ defined as anything objective and not sanctioned by government.

257612 ▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, #1284 of 1846 🔗

I wonder whether Sue Cook re-discovered her journalist voice after doing an interview with Anna Brees – it was a fantastic interview. I may be wrong as I know she has been tweeting stuff anyway, but she does seem to crop up all over the place now asking proper investigative questions that working mainstream investigative journalists should be asking. She is retired ffs – what do they actually earn their money for now???

257257 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 33, #1285 of 1846 🔗

This shit will be over when the people say it is over.

Until that happens I refuse to break and will not obey their rules.

To those of you on here (barring those few interlopers, we know who you are) keep strong and keep fighting.

I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees

Bottoms up

257306 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, 3, #1286 of 1846 🔗

Prosit!

257263 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 24, #1287 of 1846 🔗

Metropolitan Police FOI came back about the numbers of non-British nationals they are employing:

To locate the information relevant to your request searches were conducted within the MPS. The searches failed to locate any information relevant to your request, therefore, the information you have requested is not held by the MPS.

To me they have broken the law a stewy have not followed the employers obligations to ascertain the right to work in the UK of their employees.

This should all be on record and easy to find.

An appeal reminding them of this and a hint I will contact the Immigration Service might be sent over the weekend.

257272 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1288 of 1846 🔗

Your are just being an Awkward Git 😉

257298 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1289 of 1846 🔗

Thank god for Mr AG!

257278 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1290 of 1846 🔗

Thankyou, AG; you’re clearly on the case..
Seeing as they can’t lie, one suspects obfuscation will be employed.
Home Office/Home Secretary must know.

257322 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1291 of 1846 🔗

I’m sure Priti would like to know if the police are employing people illegally.

257466 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to thinkaboutit, #1293 of 1846 🔗

Nah, as long as they beat up the subversives she won’t care

257363 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1294 of 1846 🔗

Fucking brilliant AG. They indeed must ascertain the right to work in the UK.

Perhaps Dick is in fact a Kazakhstani immigrant …

257479 ▶▶ Will, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1295 of 1846 🔗

Christ I am pleased I am on your side!!!!

257273 richard riewer, #1296 of 1846 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhcWzzq4zY
Exhale (Lost World) Control

Remember The Muppets Show? How about The Numpties Show? A 21st Century version of Spitting Image. But better.

257274 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1297 of 1846 🔗

I had a look at Adam Afriyie’s speech in Hansard. He makes some powerful points but gets timed out. I’ve also contested some nonsense, indicated by my square brackets.

It strikes me that, as MPs, it is our duty to make difficult decisions. We must face head-on the life and death challenges that very few people would wish to face in their daily lives. We must make contested judgments, and …. It seems to me that our response to covid demands a similar level of reflection to reach our best judgments.
There are a multitude of variables involved in this decision making. Given that thousands of lives are being lost to covid, thousands of lives are being lost with covid, and thousands of lives are being lost by our response to covid, it is no easy judgment. Businesses are being forced to close across my constituency and across the country—businesses that people have spent their lives building up. Jobs and livelihoods are being wiped out. Civil liberties are certainly under threat, freedom of speech is threatened, freedom of assembly has been all but washed away in the short term, and even Parliament……is not necessarily functioning as it should during a crisis such as this.​

…. In March this year we were confronted with an unknown enemy: a deadly virus …. That was back in March, but today we know so much more. We know that healthy children are hardly affected by the virus, and that is a godsend, considering illnesses and diseases from the past. We know now that the overwhelming majority of adults are reasonably safe: perhaps 80% will not necessarily even notice any symptoms. ….

We also have far more PPE than we had when we started, thanks to the efforts of the Government. ….
We also know that modern treatments can halve the death rate. We know that vaccines, particularly the two new ones, can stop the illness by generating antibodies. [really?!] We know that our NHS, if fully staffed, can treat those affected, provided that the inflow of patients is moderated over time.
We can see from data that the tiered local approach is having an impact. Data that we have seen over the past week or two is to do not with the current lockdown but with the previous regional measures. That is a good thing, because we can see that we can control this virus to some degree. [oh dear!!]

Of course, there is still much more that we do not know. That is why we will be forced to make a judgment at the end of this month, but that judgment must be an informed judgment. ….

To move forward I believe we need to recognise the costs of the restrictions in addition to the benefits of future restrictions. I urge the Government to do three things. First, I ask them to prepare a clear cost-benefit analysis of any future proposed regulations, in terms of both the health and the economic costs and benefits in the short and the long term. Clearly, the two are intricately connected, but it is very important that MPs in this House—the decision makers—have clear sight of the overall costs and benefits.​
Secondly, I ask the Government to ensure that the latest data is available from the NHS on hospitalisations, intensive care unit beds and their occupancy, and death rates from all causes, very carefully categorised, perhaps against a five-year baseline. This summer we have seen that the modelling can, let’s face it, get a bit out of control and, on occasion, be more like conjecture than reality. When we make the decision at the end of this month, it is important that we are in a better position to see the real data and perhaps to reflect on it ourselves.
Thirdly, I urge the Government—

Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Nigel Evans)
Order. I am terribly sorry, but the six minutes are up. …..

Hereby followed by a load of waffle by Neale Hanvey. However, prompted by Tim Farron, Hanvey does go on to say:

The hon. Gentleman makes the extremely important point that the avarice attached to these contracts undermines any sense that the Government are putting ​their arms around anyone, let alone the whole country. I would be interested if the Minister could indicate whether the Prime Minister will heed SNP calls—in fact, cross-party calls—for a full public inquiry into the cronyism at the heart of this Government. Convincing answers are urgently needed as to why so many Tory friends, relatives, donors and prominent lobbyists were awarded jobs and privileged access to UK Government meetings and decision making……

Etc. Worth a look:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-11-18/debates/EBBF7513-BD03-4461-9B7F-471D5C46EFAB/Covid-19#contribution-6975CDB3-538B-44BE-8639-8F0ADF86632D

257297 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1298 of 1846 🔗

Like most of the CRG, Afriyie is moving in the right direction but still has some way to go.

257384 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1299 of 1846 🔗

We weren’t confronted with a deadly virus relative to others. What we were confronted with was a narrative about one. And all it took was a good story.

257761 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to mhcp, 1, #1300 of 1846 🔗

And industrial scale manufactured hysteria propaganda fake news blatantly falsified stats and the most draconian levels of censorship in any democracy.

257547 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1301 of 1846 🔗

All well and good. But ”…our response to covid…” Is it really ”covid” we’re responding to, or is this merely a convenient distraction?

257277 richard riewer, 3, #1302 of 1846 🔗

Professional bullshitters. Their salaries paid by the taxpayers.

257279 Wallykazzoo, replying to Wallykazzoo, 9, #1303 of 1846 🔗

All hail , Ming the useless !

257281 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Wallykazzoo, 1, #1304 of 1846 🔗

That is a weird outfit!

257287 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1305 of 1846 🔗

Star Trekkian. Space Commander Schwab?

257328 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to richard riewer, #1306 of 1846 🔗

Beam me up Scotty!

257326 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1307 of 1846 🔗

Schwab is a weird bloke.

257426 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, 10, #1308 of 1846 🔗

No, that bloke on the street corner down by the shopping centre is a weird bloke. Schwab is a dangerous lunatic a political extremist, and a cult leader.

257442 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, #1309 of 1846 🔗

… and that says everything that needs to be said. Yawn!

257508 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to John P, 1, #1310 of 1846 🔗

Never mind. We won’t be seeing much of him in the future. He’s of an age at which he’ll have to ”shield” and lock himself away from human sight and intercourse very soon. Unless, of course, he’s had ‘the vaccine’!

257290 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to Wallykazzoo, 8, #1311 of 1846 🔗

The man’s a nutcase. It’s as simple as that.

257331 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to James Marker, 1, #1312 of 1846 🔗

Completely lacking in self awareness if he thinks that is the thing to wear in public.

257511 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to James Marker, 1, #1313 of 1846 🔗

Unfortunately though – like every cult leader, people are drawn to him and what he represents. A certain type of person – one who thinks they are superior to all others. Let’s have some examples…….

257291 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Wallykazzoo, #1314 of 1846 🔗

WTF

257316 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Wallykazzoo, 6, #1315 of 1846 🔗

It appears to be human, Captain, but not as we know it.

257327 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1316 of 1846 🔗

We need to get 007 back out of retirement.

257360 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1317 of 1846 🔗

Or perhaps the Jackal deserves a second chance?

257461 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1318 of 1846 🔗

‘Shall we say a million?’
‘A million francs??’
‘No, pounds!’

257395 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1319 of 1846 🔗

You have a brand new 007 to enjoy. Welcome to 2020.

257475 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1320 of 1846 🔗

BBC analysis by Emily Maitlis: “The Government’s controversial move to bring 007 out of retirement to battle so called “international villains” has been ill received in many quarters. Sir Keir Starmer, the UN Secretary General, Hillary Clinton and Marcus Rashford have all expressed grave doubts, even outrage. 007’s Martini must surely have been shaken by the reaction. Tonight we have an exclusive interview with Professor Brian Barmy, Head of the International Law Faculty at UCL and renowned author of the seminal work “Bond Villainy – A Case of Mistaken Identity”. [She smirks knowingly to the camera, suggesting any self respecting Guardian reader will agree with next bit…] Professor Barmy will argue that we are too ready to consign international villains to a sticky end – we should rather embrace them as hugely creative contributors to a more just and equitable world order. “

257732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to OKUK, #1321 of 1846 🔗

I stopped watching Newsnight some months ago, when it became impossible to ignore the sad reality that it had gone over to the dark side (notwithstanding the occasional burst of platonic sunlight from Deb Cohen). I miss it. Kindly assume the editorship at once, OKUK.

257329 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Wallykazzoo, #1322 of 1846 🔗

Anyone good with photoshop?

A hat, a beard and colour the robe red and you’ve got Santa Klaus!

257345 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1323 of 1846 🔗

There ain’t no sanity clause …

257361 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to JohnB, 1, #1324 of 1846 🔗

Don’t speak bad of mr Klaus. He gives out Christmas gifts such as rules of six, essential businesses only and social distancing. He’s just misunderstood.

257982 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, #1325 of 1846 🔗

‘Twas a tip of the hat to Groucho Marx.

257599 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to JHuntz, #1326 of 1846 🔗

More like Krampus

257330 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Wallykazzoo, 4, #1327 of 1846 🔗

Serious question though, does anyone in the world have any idea what that “uniform” is? I’ve seen the photo posted in lots of places but I’ve never seen anyone say what it is. It looks like some sort of secret society type thing, the weird emblem being the reasoning for that thought.

257336 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1328 of 1846 🔗

Sigh.

257344 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, #1329 of 1846 🔗

Whatever floats your boat . . .

257349 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to CGL, 2, #1330 of 1846 🔗

It was a sigh of resignation. I get tired of trying to reason with conspiracy nuts.

I doubt that Schwab would be wearing it in public if it was a sinister uniform.

I just think Schwab is totally out of touch with reality.

I was enjoying laughing at Schwab.

257596 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, #1331 of 1846 🔗

Oh I see! Sorry – thought you were over-sharing.
It is a very strange get-up isn’t it.

257342 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1332 of 1846 🔗

he is a satanist

257351 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1333 of 1846 🔗

He almost certainly is.

I think the garb is a Lithuanian (Kaunas Uni) honorary degree outfit though. Or so someone posted the other day.

257366 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1334 of 1846 🔗

Paraphrasing JohnB below:

I think the garb is a Lithuanian (Kaunas Uni) honorary degree outfit though. Or so someone posted the other day.

257393 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Wallykazzoo, 3, #1335 of 1846 🔗
257406 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Wallykazzoo, 5, #1336 of 1846 🔗

I wonder if he has a white Persian cat as a pet?

257280 c s, replying to c s, 1, #1337 of 1846 🔗

“Research early in the pandemic suggested that the rate of asymptomatic infections could be as high as 81% . But a meta-analysis published last month 1 , which included 13 studies involving 21,708 people, calculated the rate of asymptomatic presentation to be 17%. “

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3

257304 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to c s, 2, #1338 of 1846 🔗

Nature’s editorial standards have dropped a bit haven’t they

257324 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #1339 of 1846 🔗

They still publish Pantsdown articles which says a lot

257555 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #1340 of 1846 🔗

They have, indeed.

257379 ▶▶ leggy, replying to c s, 1, #1341 of 1846 🔗

I’m still convinced I had asymptomatic ebola last year.

257334 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1342 of 1846 🔗

The attached was linked on the Telegraph live blog (Liverpool) – the blurb from the council doesn’t quite capture the data – see the chart – it is collapsing not a ‘slight decrease’:

https://liverpool.gov.uk/media/1359863/20112020_external.pdf

257368 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1343 of 1846 🔗

So I make that 0.5% positives for LFT? Is that even statistically significant when it comes to potentially infected people?

257437 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1344 of 1846 🔗

… and it remains ‘cases’ shit.

257470 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1345 of 1846 🔗

That’ll be why they’ve got the Dr’s spamming us with SMS about ‘free covid tests’

257339 nickbowes, 11, #1346 of 1846 🔗

Bill Gates really needs a better salesman than Mengele Hancock to sell this 6uild 6ack 6etter poison. No thanks you repellant c**t !

257340 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1347 of 1846 🔗

Ignorance and the suppression of dissent are central to the maintenance of a dictatorship

That is why we have the BBC

That is why the internet is being censored

257501 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, #1348 of 1846 🔗

At the moment, I suppose it’s better than having no internet at all.

When will that moment come, when we are denied even that small comfort, of being able to correspond with our like-minded fellows? Not long away, I suppose.
I feel I’m becoming paranoid, because sometimes I think that sites like this (there aren’t many LIKE this) are actually harvesting dissidents’ names.

Or am I becoming barking mad?

257584 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Banjones, #1349 of 1846 🔗

Most businesses could not run without it now – especially the big ones. And with people in any office environment mostly working from home, I don’t see how they could take it all down. They could take bits down, but not the whole shebang. I could not do my job without it. We use a cloud based accounting system that a lot of companies use.

257718 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Banjones, #1350 of 1846 🔗

There’s no doubt this site is monitored 24×7 by GCHQ and the 77th. Jeez, if I can scrape it , I’m quite sure the military can. 😀

Additionally, I’m working on the principle that they have long since pwned this site’s database and have all of our email addresses.

However, even if they don’t have our email addresses, they will be intercepting the network traffic and so will be able to tie each comment back to an IP address, which can then be matched to a subscriber account at an ISP (e.g. BT), which in turn ties each user on this site to an individual household.

If you use a VPN, you’ll be in better shape, but I still wouldn’t bet on anonymity. The more posts you make, the easier it will be to match your writing style to any other examples of online writing that can be traced to you. Automated natural language analysis has been around for while.

We’re all in on this one. If we lose this fight, we lose big.

257671 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1352 of 1846 🔗

Can’t access that one – maybe cos I’m not on Twatter I don’t know.

257352 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 12, #1353 of 1846 🔗

A small victory, perhaps. Below is some correspondence I entered into today with the worker bees, I hesitate to say ants, at my 17yo daughter’s college. She has been getting flak regarding her generic exemption lanyard, the diagnosis referred to is genuine.

Dear xxxx,

As xxxxx’s father, I feel that it is appropriate for me to clarify her position in relation to face coverings.

I confirm that xxxxx has a diagnosis of microcephaly with consequently small airways and is therefore prone to hypoxia and should not be required to wear any face covering as this will be detrimental to her health.

It is perhaps little understood that the Coronavirus Act 2020 (and associated legislation) makes specific allowances for those with a disability, or any medical condition, for whom face coverings are inappropriate and potentially dangerous.

The UK Government website states:

“Exemption Cards –

Some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering.This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

This is a personal choice and is not necessary in law.

Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this. Written evidence includes exemption cards.”

Thank you for your understanding.

Yours sincerely,

xxxxx xxxxxxx

Hello Mr xxxxxxx
Thank you so much for this, this is the information we need.  There is no record of this on our system and now we can make sure staff are aware and that xxxxx has the support in place

We are following the WG Guidance and are offering our learners who are not able to wear a mask a yellow lanyard so that all staff are aware that they are exempt   and wont challenge them

We can also offer xxxxx a visor should she want to wear one..

Best wishes   Dymuniadau Gorau

xxxx

Needless to say, the visor will be declined. What puzzles me is that a person who is presumably of average intelligence or above can think for more than a few seconds that a visor can confer any protection whatsoever, other than from spitting perhaps, in respect of an airborne respiratory pathogen. And there lies the rub: such people have allowed themselves to be trained not to think. Any optimism for the future is inevitably tempered by this realisation.

257394 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Hieronimusb, 9, #1354 of 1846 🔗

The use of visors is surely the most idiotic part of this entire pantomime.

I can’t help but think of breakfast buffets when I see muppets wearing visors. When was the last time somebody sneezed directly in your face?

257427 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1355 of 1846 🔗

Really, visors. mental.

257436 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1356 of 1846 🔗

Yes – I had to laugh when I was in a restaurant, and the poor old waitress’s visor was directing all expelled air down onto the food.

(And no – none of us developed any symptoms 🙂 )

257582 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to RickH, 2, #1357 of 1846 🔗

My 15 year old called this one out months ago. She saw where the breath/droplets must be being aimed – she’s a clever girl, but how can’t other people just see the sense in this?

257585 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to CGL, 2, #1358 of 1846 🔗

Kids are often smarter than so-called adults. The funniest thing is watching people whom I know are mask zealots wear than at an angle more like a baseball cap, and not twig that this is utterly useless.

257605 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 2, #1359 of 1846 🔗

It has always pleased me that it was a child who pointed out the emperor was naked , whilst all the adults went along with the pretence.

257457 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mabel Cow, #1360 of 1846 🔗

They just make me think of Dan Dare, Pilot of the Future. (I’m showing my age.)

257509 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1361 of 1846 🔗

Damn, I’d forgotten about him; I did like a bit of Eagle. Mind you, 2000 AD was my real love.

257648 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, #1362 of 1846 🔗

Anybody else remember TV21 magazine? A bright light of my pre-teens.

257499 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1363 of 1846 🔗

I’ve always thought this. How many of us have actually got near enough to a stranger actually to cough in their face, or have them cough in ours?

257652 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 2, #1364 of 1846 🔗

Some confounded evening
You’ll cough on a stranger
Across six feet of room…

257661 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to annie, 2, #1365 of 1846 🔗

And somehow you’ll know
You’ll know even then
T-cells can protect you
again and again…

Who can explain it? Who can tell you why?
Just ask Mike Yeadon
Others hardly tryyyyyyyy….

257724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Banjones, #1366 of 1846 🔗

it’s practically Ella and Louis singing the blues

257536 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #1367 of 1846 🔗

Sadly I have to use one (well, when the fat cow on reception is looking, at least) in part of my work. Having been brought up on stories of daring POW escapes involving forged documents and fake Nazi uniforms, I was pretty quick to ‘improve’ the cheap Chinese plastic crap, starting by trimming and covering in fabric the horrible scratchy foam on the forehead. A couple of ventilation tubes made from rolled card were cut and inserted so that they are invisible from more than very close range. I cannot get the elastic (which is too short and clips looks likely to break soon anyway) particularly far down because of my glasses anyway. It is clearly not designed for the average European male head.

I also trimmed a couple of cms off the bottom so it offers better airflow but would only be noticed by a careful eye comparing it to a ‘proper’ example. This was also in the interest of Art, as I make card models and this clear plastic is invaluable for use in glazing – it’s been harder and harder to get food packaging that is suitable. Depending on what I build next the deplorable thing will at least end up being part of a chateux, train locomotive or X-wing fighter.

At least I can probably get away with only using it for a few minutes at most; I regard PPE as being like false ID to get past the goons.

257649 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1368 of 1846 🔗

Would a yellow star not be the college’s choice?

257806 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to arfurmo, #1369 of 1846 🔗

Maybe in Israel.

258000 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Hieronimusb, #1370 of 1846 🔗

“There is no record of this on our system and now we can make sure staff are aware”

I feel they should be asking whether you want this. Privacy should be the default.

257357 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 1, #1371 of 1846 🔗

Not expecting everyone to agree with this, but…

For the first time I felt a bit more positive following the briefing tonight. In fact I was swearing at the tone of some of the questioners more than some of the answers.

Perhaps a hint of less draconian measures being considered.
Are the Government beginning to acknowledge some of the realities?
Quotes below are from the written BBC commentary

*

Acknowledgement that the numbers are moving in the right direction following the ONS report this afternoon (THAT IMPLIES that this was happening before Lockdown 2!)

“Matt Hancock says the trajectory has changed in “all parts of England” and that we’re “just at the point” where the flattening appears apparent.

Prof Van Tam adds that the ONS data is only up to 14 November so is “a few days behind where we are now” – and that he’d expect the growth of the virus in some regions to “turn” in more up-to-date data.”

*

No real endorsement of the fear that has been spread about Christmas and an indication that they may wait and see what happens afterwards rather than impose a post Christmas lockdown in advance

“Prof Jonathan Van Tam, responding to a question from LBC about Christmas, says “the government clearly wants to give us a break to some extent”.

But in terms of there being a formula of one day of Christmas leading to a certain number of days in lockdown, as has been speculated, Prof Van Tam says “there are no magic numbers”.

Instead there would be “proportionate measures” to allow people to have “a sensible Christmas”.

If people don’t comply, numbers will again go up, he says.”

257389 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to SilentP, 6, #1372 of 1846 🔗

We’ll see. Of course they have to trim a bit now as they face a major rebellion from the CRG. Personally I don’t feel the narrative has changed. If Boris wanted, he could create a Covid Policy Advisory Group – have Whitty and Vallance supplemented by say Carl Heneghan, an anti Lockdown economist and maybe Lord Sumption to assess impact on our civil liberties.

257467 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to OKUK, 1, #1373 of 1846 🔗

That is what he should be
doing. If Whitty and Vallance decide to jack? Fuck em.

257468 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, 3, #1374 of 1846 🔗

If Boris wanted, he could create a Covid Policy Advisory Group – have Whitty and Vallance supplemented by say Carl Heneghan, an anti Lockdown economist and maybe Lord Sumption to assess impact on our civil liberties.

That’s basically what a genuinely conservative PM would have done in March when the “experts” he’d (for some inexplicable reason) employed to advise him panicked in the face of mere hysterical criticism and abandoned the path of cautious sense, joining the chorus of radical panickers.

That would have been the “Churchillian” thing to do, Johnson.

257493 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mark, 1, #1375 of 1846 🔗

No money in it, guv.

257592 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Mark, 1, #1376 of 1846 🔗

Was it this government who appointed the SAGEbmembers or did they inherit them from previous administrations?

If so, which one(s)?

257741 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Alan P, #1377 of 1846 🔗

I may very well be wrong here but isn’t it witless that appoints to SAGE?

257976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Alan P, #1378 of 1846 🔗

Here’s a description of the last turn of the revolving doors between big pharma and government, in 2017, accounting for Vallance and Van Tam. Different Witty mind.
Tom Jefferson: The UK turns to Witty, Vallance, and Van Tam for leadership: revolving doors?

257429 ▶▶ RickH, replying to SilentP, 7, #1379 of 1846 🔗

Maybe they’re exercising a bit more caution before kneeling on the populace’s neck.

But – watch your backs. This lot aren’t suddenly going to do the right thing because it’s the right thing, or because it’s scientifically credible.

The criterion will be what sells the vaccine.

257463 ▶▶ Mark, replying to SilentP, 4, #1380 of 1846 🔗

In truth, i don’t want them to gradually back down and become less insane, so that we end up having to defend them against the loony panicker zealots of the Labour Party.

I want them to go down in a Hitlerian bunker of insane denial, finally committing political suicide to avoid the inevitable humiliations to come.

More pain short run, but a better outcome for all in the long run.

257510 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to SilentP, 2, #1381 of 1846 🔗

Stick and Carrot.

257514 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to SilentP, 1, #1382 of 1846 🔗

This may be complete rubbish on my part, but at the back of my mind I’ve always wondered if some people close to the top actually want to end all this, and have worked out that they need to play a clever long game to keep the ninnies from whipping up the scare propaganda. As I see it, they were largely railroaded into the first lockdown by the MSM and SAGE, and have predictably chased headlines ever since. Now the tone is becoming more skeptical and they know there are rebels in the party, it becomes less obvious who to please. And I don’t really think that just keeping the country in lockdown is much of an end in itself for the Authority. They seem to have found it easy to dole out contracts for testing and so called PPE back in July and August and now have at least one vaccine to keep doing so.

On the other hand, it also comes across as a continuation of the same tired good cop, bad cop routine. Behave and you get a bit less lockdown, misbehave and you get more. I would be willing to bet that when this is all over almost everybody will freely admit they broke or bent most of the rules (in fact a lot of people do that already) and it will turn out that the so-called lockdown was probably quite ineffective anyway.

257520 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 3, #1383 of 1846 🔗

Some people close to the top might, but the PM, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance have had ample chance to change course and have doubled down at every turn

They either don’t want this to end, or don’t want to admit it can end without a vaccine

257590 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to SilentP, 2, #1384 of 1846 🔗

I didn’t even know there was a briefing today, that’s how much I care.

I posted something from a DT article somewhere further down in which it was claimed that Boris is considering a more Swedish approach and doesn’t want to keep “infringing” on our liberties when we’re not really listening any more. Wish I could believe that.

Whether or not people comply with whatever ridiculous measures they come up with for Christmas (dinner in the garden, granny in a respirator etc) they will say that we were too naughty and lock us down again anyway.

257620 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to A. Contrarian, #1385 of 1846 🔗

Talk Radio seems to always cover the briefings. Switched on just after 5pm, realised it was going on, so quickly switched over to Classic FM (until their adverts came on when I switched off). Cannot bear to listen to Hancock and co.

257640 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1386 of 1846 🔗

You impinge on something.
You infringe something.

257656 ▶▶▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to annie, 2, #1387 of 1846 🔗

I love you Mother Hen!

257804 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to SilentP, 1, #1388 of 1846 🔗

if people don’t comply, we will punish them by making the numbers go up again ….

257871 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1389 of 1846 🔗

I understand there’s some effective software that can help with that……

257364 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #1390 of 1846 🔗

Tucker: Big Tech’s coordinated suppression amounts to a ‘censorship cartel’
The real looming doom we face. Disease will pass. Even the panic will pass. But suppression of dissent has been growing for decades in the US sphere, and is being pushed to ever more intrusive levels, enabled by ever more powerful leftist big media and tech businesses.

Soon it will be directly linked to any ability to function at all in the real world, as well as the world of opinions. We have already seen this started, with banking and web access denied to dissident organisations and individuals, but nobody cared because they were bad people with bad opinions. But once the structures and attitudes, the basic lack of respect for any principle of freedom of speech and opinion, are there, they will be used again. We have seen this in the application of controls designed for suppressing un-pc opinion to coronapanic dissent.

Lockdown Sceptics might be the most important of Toby’s projects in the short term, but longer term his Free Speech Union is far more important. If, that is, it can retain it’s genuine independence and not get captured by the authoritarian establishment, becoming a sham, as happened to Liberty many years ago.

257375 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 4, #1391 of 1846 🔗

“If, that is, it can retain it’s genuine independence and not get captured by the authoritarian establishment, becoming a sham, as happened to Liberty many years ago.”

Completely agree, Mark.

Over to you Toby!

257517 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 3, #1392 of 1846 🔗

I agree. I have been aware of this for a while but up until this madness I had not been too worried by it – naively of me no doubt, and mainly because it not affected me personally enough for it to be uncomfortable.

Now it is more than uncomfortable, but contributing to ruining my life (and everyone else’s).

It would be good if the FSU could attract some more heavyweight political and other figures from across the spectrum. TY can be a divisive figure (I’m not having a go at TY, just pointing out what seems to be obvious).

257742 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Mark, 1, #1393 of 1846 🔗

I agree, free speech is increasingly in danger. The Google and Facebook empires are already censoring things outside the approved narrative. The next big step, though I don’t know how technically possible it is, would be the broadband providers (BT, Virgin etc) preventing access to unapproved sites.

257809 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, #1394 of 1846 🔗

An intermediate scenario might be “updates” to the most popular web browsers to implement an approval check before allowing a website to be viewed.

257852 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Edward, #1395 of 1846 🔗

Been done before with Virgin Sky et al, blocking access to very naughty places (eg. Pirate Bay). So certainly not outside of the realms of possibility.

257376 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1396 of 1846 🔗

Been out of touch this week – will give a few highlights of the 900ish mile courier trip over the weekend but wife came out with something strange yesterday at dinner.

She reckons that Boris has been changed and it wasn’t him on TV Wednesday – never saw it so don’t know – but she says hair was different, hand movements strange and out of character, face was slightly wrong and that there was something fishy about the camera: it was blurry, out off focus and looks like it and plastic or something over the lense so that a good clear look could not be had of him.

Any thoughts out there?

257386 ▶▶ John P, replying to Awkward Git, -1, #1397 of 1846 🔗

Is this a serious post AG?

257403 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John P, 2, #1398 of 1846 🔗

Yes, my wife was saying this and I was wondering if anyone else has noticed anything about the bumbling buffoon that is different.

There was a prediction about 4 weeks ago that mid-Nov onwards something would happen to certain leaders and I’d like to know if this is happening or my wife and I going mad with covid related psychosis and mental breakdown.

257444 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1399 of 1846 🔗

He hasn’t looked the same since he got ‘it’ in March; I put the change in appearance down to loss of weight from illness plus the strain of the office. Something similar happened to Blair.

257698 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Cranmer, #1400 of 1846 🔗

go and wash your mouth out, how dare you mention that criminal on this site. Lower than a snakes belly, lying, shifty, sleazebag, douche, bastard Anthony Bliar He should be in jail and when the revolution comes he can just all this lot in jail too.

257728 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1401 of 1846 🔗

I’d say he’s suffering from two very serious conditions. The 1st Ican’tbebotheteditis. A serious debilitating condition. The 2nd icantbedoingwithanyresponsibilityitis. Anothet very serious condition known to cause serious impairment of judgement and talk only in soundbites.

257774 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1402 of 1846 🔗

Photo taken on April 30, after return from hospital.
Looks pretty huge to me!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/01/boris-johnson-is-back-but-has-he-changed-coronavirus

257450 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Awkward Git, #1403 of 1846 🔗

I think we all must have some degree of psychosis at this point.

257485 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1404 of 1846 🔗

I’ve been thinking that he looked ‘odd’ since last March, and said so. Perhaps this is the ‘real’ BJ and the ebullient, passionate and positive character was actually not the ‘real’ BJ.
It always strikes me, though, that he looks like a guilty man who knows he is lying and is a bad actor trying to hide it.

257528 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to Banjones, 1, #1405 of 1846 🔗

Yip… a very poor choice of puppet if you ask me.

They’ve definitely fucked that one up big style.

257578 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Banjones, 3, #1406 of 1846 🔗

Definitely. He looked VERY shifty when Lockdown 2 was announced, as did all of them, so much so that I wondered whether some sort of serious coercion had been applied.

257779 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1407 of 1846 🔗

He knew that we knew he was lying through his teeth.

257778 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1408 of 1846 🔗

.

257400 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1409 of 1846 🔗

An archon reptile like Prince Charles and satan klaus

257487 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1410 of 1846 🔗

Strange, isn’t it? It’s really like those in thrall to a cult. How they change, and really believe that they are on the right Path. I’m sure there are lots of studies in the US after the tragedies they’ve experienced there.

257417 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1411 of 1846 🔗

Probs just on the Ket again.

257428 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1412 of 1846 🔗

Apparently the lack of clarity affecting the lens was due to Sir Patrick Vaseline.

257632 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1413 of 1846 🔗

A smear test?

257710 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to annie, #1414 of 1846 🔗

I’m restraining myself from making a very indecent response to that!

257433 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1415 of 1846 🔗

Actually now you come to mention it. I thought Boris did look different. He looked a bit more female, perhaps like his sister. Perhaps different teeth or jaw line. I saw a likeness there that I hadn’t seen before. Perhaps even a different skin tone. He was differently jolly too, I was thinking drugs, probably of the pharmacological kind. Happy pills. He was particularly full of bullshit too, with his massive boxing gloves of bullshit to pummel the virus.

257490 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, #1416 of 1846 🔗

Cult thralldom?

257569 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1417 of 1846 🔗

Sort of like Michael and Janet Jackson?

257629 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 1, #1418 of 1846 🔗

Ever heard of Dave Dave? I think he might be the real Michael Jackson…hummmmm

257635 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, #1419 of 1846 🔗

Was Michael Jackson ever real?

257647 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, #1420 of 1846 🔗

Is Paul McCartney the REAL Paul McCartney or “False Paul”…hummmmm

257665 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, #1421 of 1846 🔗

Maybe it’s Bill Hicks or Alex Jones

257678 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Two-Six, #1422 of 1846 🔗

Would explain the suspiciously bad connection quality as well

257492 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1423 of 1846 🔗

Let’s apply Occam’s Razor here: which is simpler explanation, that he has a body double or CGI doppelgänger, or a mixture of the vagaries of shooting live, possible use of web conferencing and the fact that politicos have to basically role play all the time? If he has ‘slipped’ character and is acting differently as a result it’s probably the most honest he’s been.

257617 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #1424 of 1846 🔗

The last British person known to have a body-double was, I think, Field Marshal Montgomery. Saddam Hussein had several, apparently. It’s not inconceivable to think that the prime minister of the fifth largest economy in the world might have one as well. It could be that there have been credible assassination threats etc. Though I agree with you that on the Occam principle it is not the most likely explanation.

257639 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1425 of 1846 🔗

How about the false Bin Laden admitting that he did 911? That was a massive scam and used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan.
Gadaffi had body doubles. Some think Killory was switched briefly in the last election when she had that health issue and couldn’t stop twitching and falling over.

257784 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #1426 of 1846 🔗

Remember those strange “holiday” snaps?
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257579 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, #1427 of 1846 🔗

It’ll be the double dose of covid he’s just had.

257733 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1428 of 1846 🔗

Naaaaaaaah probably two bottles of gin with a smidgeon of tonic!

257654 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1429 of 1846 🔗

Heres what i think. Bj needs to be taken off screen for a while. They did it last April when he allegedly got Covid. Did anyone see footage of him in hospital? Some NZ nurse was roped in to talk about him on camera but has since disappeared. Paid off no doubt. Now he is out of action again allegedly isolating.
Why?

257790 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to William Hand, #1430 of 1846 🔗

Where do I start ……?

257969 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #1431 of 1846 🔗

Any thoughts out there?

A bit late for that. My money’s on his programming needs renewing.

257398 John P, replying to John P, -15, #1432 of 1846 🔗

Honestly, I don’t know why I come here. Sometimes I think I’m like a moth drawn to a flame.

In the past half hour we’ve had one loon suggesting that Schwab’s weird choice of garb (which according to another poster is a Lithuanian University robe) is some sort of sinister secret society uniform. (Not so secret as he sees fit to wear it in public. I digress.)

Then another one asks if that was really Johnson on the tell the other day. Well if your wife thinks so who am I to argue?

This is supposed to be serious, rational discussion.

257405 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to John P, 6, #1433 of 1846 🔗

Sorry Dad.

257411 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1434 of 1846 🔗

That’s okay son. Don’t do it again.

257474 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to John P, 5, #1435 of 1846 🔗

Ok, I won’t, but only if you remember that the world will never be ordered to your requirements, and that to expect otherwise is insanity and the cause of much needless mental anguish.

257409 ▶▶ John P, replying to John P, -1, #1436 of 1846 🔗

That should read “Well if your wife thinks not who am I to argue?” (sarcasm).

257412 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John P, 9, #1437 of 1846 🔗

But sometimes you need a bit of light-hearted relief – can’t be serious all the time.

257415 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Awkward Git, -1, #1438 of 1846 🔗

Well, I agree with that.

257432 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John P, 26, #1439 of 1846 🔗

This is the only “social media” I participate in now, it’s the only one where adult conversation take place without too much animosity etc.

You are not under constant threat of censorship, being banned and so on if some pathetic juvenile throws a hissy fit as their sensibilities have been offended.

Almost like old-fashioned after dinner intelligent conversation where conversation goes off at odd tangents and so on, maybe not relevant but always interesting and lots of differing opinions.

257651 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #1440 of 1846 🔗

Yes I agree. I really enjoy the conversation-for-itself element. It often cheers me up after a day alone, or alone-at-work, where I have to keep my opinions virtually undetectable.

Also, I think this site is a pretty good model of a liberal public sphere, or perhaps just – as someone suggested the other night – a pretty good pub. There’s no pressure ever to join in discussion with people you don’t agree with; you just steer your way over to a group you find more sympathetic. But mostly everyone accepts in principle the right of everyone else to be in the room, talking. It may be trite to reiterate this, but it does seem very clear that one of the fundamental things that has gone wrong in the public policy response to the virus has to do with a terrible monolithic consensus.

257886 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Alethea, #1441 of 1846 🔗

It’s called ”fear”. I think that people are afraid of confrontation – mainly with the police – and the fines they might be landed with if they transgress in some way.

257420 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John P, 8, #1442 of 1846 🔗

Sorry sir. Please sir can we go now, we’ve got games next.

257628 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1443 of 1846 🔗

No you haven’t, games are banned because there’s a chance you might enjoy them.

257445 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 4, #1444 of 1846 🔗

When did ANYTHING that happened to us so far this year appear to be rational?

257452 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 3, #1445 of 1846 🔗

Open access, free discussion is a high noise but also high information environment, imo.

257753 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 1, #1446 of 1846 🔗

Frivolity is a much-needed ingredient too at this point.
Laughter is the best medicine of all.

257478 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John P, 3, #1447 of 1846 🔗

Well then – perhaps you’d like to add some serious, considered, sane and no doubt very erudite, balanced and informed words to the discussion.
We’ll hear you out, of course. Good of you to join us.

257566 ▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, 2, #1448 of 1846 🔗

I don’t think I’d still be looking here if there weren’t a bit of light relief. The serious stuff is good, but the funny stuff makes the day better

257399 Ben, replying to Ben, 2, #1449 of 1846 🔗

Sesame Street promoting face masks for children

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1329829639611625473?s=20

257558 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 2, #1450 of 1846 🔗

Disgusterous! (the BFG)

257963 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, #1451 of 1846 🔗
257989 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, #1452 of 1846 🔗

The re-programming of the young modern moron slaves started back in October!

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257408 Voz 0db, 38, #1453 of 1846 🔗

This is the Global Herd of modern moron slaves current behaviour…

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(very few exceptions)

257410 Wookie, 5, #1454 of 1846 🔗

Stay Alert. Control the Narrative. Tell Lies.

257413 Stuart, 4, #1455 of 1846 🔗

Was half the population immune to Covid in June, they ask.

Yes, but which half? Was Boris Immune in June and a Trembler in November?

More Covid Capers from BoJo and the T-cells.

257414 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 11, #1456 of 1846 🔗

Ok, so I posted a link to the spectator article about the mask study by prof heneghan and I’ve just been fact checked by them saying that the primary claim is false! I’m gobsmacked!

257418 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Moomin, 1, #1457 of 1846 🔗

Spectator is enemy territory.

257443 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Stuart, 3, #1458 of 1846 🔗

Presumably Moomin means it was “fact checked” by whichever site or platform it was posted on, not by the Spectator.

257793 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Mark, #1459 of 1846 🔗

that fascist Clegg is responsible for this he is Faceaches advisor on the subject. What an absolute twat, a total failure in parliament, and will one day be held to account too for his association with Faceache.

257737 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stuart, #1460 of 1846 🔗

Certainly a dodgy rag!

257421 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Moomin, 6, #1461 of 1846 🔗

I posted the spectator and daily mail article on the same thing and both have been labelled as false information!

257440 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Moomin, 11, #1462 of 1846 🔗

This really is like dealing with the Ministry Of Truth now.

257449 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to leggy, 4, #1463 of 1846 🔗

Might as well get used to it, if we are going to have 4 years of Biden then Harris. The US regime won’t be curtailing it, that’s for sure.

257472 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mark, 4, #1464 of 1846 🔗

Not necessarily. That’s what the MSM are saying. What did Plato say?
”An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers…”
And what do other sites say concerning the ongoing lawsuits? Plenty of info out there.

257502 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 6, #1465 of 1846 🔗

Yes, I got why people didn’t like Trump but anyone who values freedom of speech would surely have preferred him to Biden

257749 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #1466 of 1846 🔗

I suggest you watch this. Hopefully it will start at 38mins in:

https://youtu.be/NGizkol1njo?t=1748

257423 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 11, #1467 of 1846 🔗

Just had 40 winks and dreamt that Mike Yeadon was appointed CMO at the beginning of this. Then I woke up.

257455 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1468 of 1846 🔗

If only!

257431 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to chris, 4, #1470 of 1846 🔗

I’m only surprised that they still haven’t learned about the Streisand effect.

257434 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 14, #1471 of 1846 🔗

A Swiss independent news channel (Bittel tv, excellent work) broadcast a recording yesterday of an eyewitness who it was recommended by – I believe – her uni to get c tested. She went with some friends, filled out some paperwork and waited….and waited….and waited…..Finally they gave up, and feeling healthy and thinking a test was not really necessary, left. They were very surprised to get a notification 2 days later they all tested +.
Happens everywhere, commenters from Austria, Germany and Spain also experienced it.

257438 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Silke David, 5, #1472 of 1846 🔗

It’s the precautionary principle in action again.

257901 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, #1473 of 1846 🔗

Yes – taking precautions that the Scary Fairy stays around and doesn’t just vanish.

257736 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, #1474 of 1846 🔗

Extra positives keeps the farce going, plus the manufacturers and testing companies get paid twice for the same test.
Very lucrative scam!

257441 Julian, replying to Julian, 3, #1475 of 1846 🔗

“Hello Contributors,

Thank you for continuing to contribute to the ZOE COVID Symptom Study app.

I’d like to invite you to our latest webinar: Ask the experts: COVID-19 Vaccines.

On Wednesday 25th November at 4 pm GMT/11 am ET we will be discussing the latest news about COVID-19 vaccines.

I’ll be joined by Prof. Peter Openshaw, a virus expert and the Director of the Human Challenge Consortium (HIC-Vac) at Imperial College London.

You can watch live on Zoe’s YouTube channel”

You can submit and upvote questions here, without registering

https://app.sli.do/event/f7lyqcyv/live/questions

Maybe worth trying upvote some of the more sceptical questins

257484 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Julian, 2, #1476 of 1846 🔗

“Anonymous” on the list is asking some good questions! Might have been better to put his/her name.

257451 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #1477 of 1846 🔗

Guys, check out the LATEST podcast from the terrible 3. Hope to cheer you all up on a Friday evening. Perhaps enjoy with a bottle of wine, an open fire and a service revolver!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

257460 John P, 4, #1478 of 1846 🔗

I don’t know if this important video by Dr Mike Yeadon has been shared here, but it has apparently (and outrageously) been banned by youtube. Watch it which you still can:

https://www.facebook.com/unlockedunitedkingdom/videos/vb.112364983833705/409747283542470/?type=2&theater&notif_t=page_post_reaction&notif_id=1605825266295900

257462 Paul, replying to Paul, 14, #1479 of 1846 🔗

I just had the misfortune to catch the end of our local tv news.There was a piece about people covering their houses in Christmas lights,okay,if that’s your thing fine,then some ‘tv celebrity’ came on and said,’lockdown is the best time to cover your house in lights and decorations,do it now,we all need cheering up and all these lights will do it’.Seems like more ‘bread and circuses’ to me,the whole world has gone insane and we are losing our freedoms but a few cheap christmas lights will make it all better.A few shiny things to look at and the brainwashed sheeple will remain under control.

257477 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Paul, 1, #1480 of 1846 🔗

I suppose it’s a slight improvement on gathering a pitchfork-wielding mob to lynch any individual purchasing anything said mob could arbitrarily claim is ‘non-essential’

257483 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to Paul, 8, #1481 of 1846 🔗

My next door neighbour is terrified of dying of covid (although it is highly likely that he had it in January) but sees no risk in climbing up a ladder to hang lights in the trees.

257598 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bumble, 2, #1482 of 1846 🔗

This reminds me of the news item shared on this site a few months ago about a young man who didn’t want to run the risk of catching covid on the London Underground, and so decided to stay commuting by motorcycle instead…

257644 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to mattghg, 3, #1483 of 1846 🔗

Or The Bachelorette contestant (I know, guilty pleasure) who found out he was Covid positive at his doctor’s office and was so ridden with anxiety he had a panic attack while driving home and wrapped his car around a tree. He was fine (both from the accident and Covid).

257704 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1484 of 1846 🔗

Could a rather sizeable whiskey have anything to do with it?

257679 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to mattghg, #1485 of 1846 🔗

*start, not stay

257465 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 10, #1486 of 1846 🔗

Some great news in Northern Ireland Covid is having a week off and will be back next Thursday.

257469 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1487 of 1846 🔗

Hope he’s got a sick note..

257702 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1488 of 1846 🔗

Yep! So much for that circuit breaker 3 week lockdown then. It’s Sinister. Fuck with people’s Christmas great psychological warfare. The narrative is clearly breaking down fast. This is a last gasp to put the lid on the truth. Covid takes a week off to ‘save Christmas’ how clever of it.

257471 Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1489 of 1846 🔗

Dr Fauci trying to distance himself from what he said several months ago about vaccine development – hoisted by his own petard!:

‘He (Fauci) also pointed out that many people simply don’t accept the fact that a vaccine was developed so quickly, especially since experts during the early days of the outbreak warned that a vaccine could take years’.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dr-fauci-says-vaccine-skeptics-pose-serious-threat-public-health

257473 Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 17, #1490 of 1846 🔗

Seeing the Unlocked paragraph gave me an idea that I’ve been mulling for a while – why don’t we use an open padlock symbol more generally as a sign of our opposition to lockdown in general? I’d been pondering suggesting a sunflower symbol for this, but it might be inappropriate for those who wear a lanyard if they don’t wish to associate with the movement. There is no way the authorities could try to ban this as a ‘offensive’ symbol seeing as it’s used in so many other contexts, but little open padlocks could be made into stickers to indicate allegiance, similar to the early Christian fish. They would also offer a little frisson of resistance when affixed to mandatory masks etc.

257482 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #1491 of 1846 🔗

You’d put a locked one on a mandatory mask

257601 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #1492 of 1846 🔗

Good idea.

257476 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 26, #1493 of 1846 🔗

Was asked to pick up my Granddaughter and her brother after school. Haven’t been able to see her for weeks, so very interesting that her mum’s suddenly ok with it when she needs a favour!

Walking down the drive, it was depressing to see that 90% of the first school parents were muzzled up outside. Idiots!

I didn’t recognise my Granddaughter, who was waiting muzzled up! I told her to take the thing off as it was unnecessary outside. She did so with a grin. We’d had an educational chat about face nappies last time I saw her. She quickly worked out for herself that masks can’t stop viruses but can incubate fungi and bacteria.

I had to pick up the six-year old brother from the school office. I walked into the lobby muzzle-free, got an odd look from the receptionist but wasn’t challenged. Brother was awol, so told granddaughter to come in out of the cold. Proud of her because she didn’t re-don her muzzle to come inside.

Incredibly, the six year-old was wearing a face nappy. They have to wear them to move around the first school! As soon as we got outside, I said he could remove it and get some fresh air because that was the best medicine.

Got a lovely hug from Granddaughter when I dropped them off. No flies on that one – though I can’t say the same for her mother!

257506 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1494 of 1846 🔗

Awful to hear about kids and masks, but lovely to hear that you got to spend time with them and taught them the best lesson they have had all week, fresh air is good air.

257550 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1495 of 1846 🔗

The very best kind of grandmother/nan/grannie – wise and wonderful

257709 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 1, #1496 of 1846 🔗

That’s very kind, though I suspect subversive might be more accurate.

257739 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1497 of 1846 🔗

Secondary age kid I was teaching today basically came out with full skeptic views on Zoom call, this is all a huge panic over nothing etc. Was a slightly surprising but significant moment, as they just came out with it with no prompting.

257489 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1498 of 1846 🔗

Just received this from Telford and Wrekin council
We are now asking you to book a COVID-19 test as a precaution, if you are showing other symptoms, such as:

Headaches
Aches and pains
Feeling tired for no good reason
Sore throat
Runny nose
Sneezing
Tummy ache in children

They’re getting desperate!

257494 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1499 of 1846 🔗

They could add lack of normal brain function to that list.

257496 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Paul, 3, #1500 of 1846 🔗

Yep – covers at least 95% then

257497 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1501 of 1846 🔗

What happened to only testing symptomatic people

257529 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Julian, 3, #1502 of 1846 🔗

Few are going out and mixing so no-one is getting normal autumnal snotty noses, sore throats etc.

They need to drum up custom.

257503 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1503 of 1846 🔗

Maskitis.

257516 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1504 of 1846 🔗

Who over 50 doesn’t have “aches and pains”?

257546 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A Heretic, 5, #1505 of 1846 🔗

I’ve got covid knee!

257619 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 1, #1506 of 1846 🔗

They’ve got you covid then!

257634 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to CGL, 4, #1507 of 1846 🔗

do you get that from too many BLM protests?

257659 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A Heretic, 1, #1508 of 1846 🔗

How very dare you!

257660 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to CGL, 2, #1509 of 1846 🔗

sorry, couldn’t resist.

257686 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A Heretic, #1510 of 1846 🔗

Me!

257518 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1511 of 1846 🔗

I think you should make a complaint to that council and cite Prof Tim Spector’s information on the app site https://covid.joinzoe.com/earlysymptomsdiscoveries .
I couldn’t find it on the site, but I heard TS on the radio explaining that runny nose and sneezing were actually contra-indications of Covid – and it is therefore harmful and dangerous (yes, let’s use that word!) to children needlessly to risk a +PCR test.

257525 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo, #1512 of 1846 🔗

Good idea, Jo!

257564 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1513 of 1846 🔗

Tubby desk accessory: ‘Can aah just check, have you had any of the following symptoms?’ (reads list in that awful gubble used by those with no public speaking experience or elocution)
Me: ‘High temperature…headache…aches and pains…sore throat…yep, that was my first marathon!’

257577 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1514 of 1846 🔗

I’m feeling tired … tired of all the BS

257591 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1515 of 1846 🔗

Well I suppose that’s tired for a bad reason, not a good one. Off you go- book your test.

257641 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1516 of 1846 🔗

Similar from Warwickshire this week. I have usforthem on the case.

257700 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, #1517 of 1846 🔗

Many of those are seasonal allergy symptoms and nothing to do with a virus of any kind.

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Most of them are not covid symptoms at all!

257723 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Charlie Blue, #1518 of 1846 🔗

I had a sore wrist a few weeks ago (no snickering at the back there) but it cleared up – just as well I didn’t get “long sore wrist”.

257498 mjr, replying to mjr, 14, #1519 of 1846 🔗

they must be getting desperate for positive tests.. Email just issued by the council

“Many residents who have tested positive for coronavirus have also displayed other symptoms than the main ones.
As the number of cases in our borough remains high and above the national average – we need to identify cases as early as possible, so we can slow down the spread of the virus.
We are now asking you to book a COVID-19 test as a precaution , if you are showing other symptoms, such as:

  • Headaches
  • Aches and pains
  • Feeling tired for no good reason
  • Sore throat
  • Runny nose
  • Sneezing
  • Tummy ache in children

You can book a test online , it’s quick and easy.
When you get the following question in the online form “ Why are you asking for a test?” – you need to select the following answer:
My local council or health protection team has asked me (or someone I live with) to get a test, even though I do not have symptoms

If you are booking a coronavirus test as a precaution due to one or more of the above symptoms, you don’t need to self-isolate unless you receive a positive test result.”

they missed out consciousness and breathing from the list of symptoms !!
Is this desperation ? getting healthy people without symptoms to test just in case. As this will be PCR test how many false positives on uninfected people will this find?

257504 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mjr, 5, #1520 of 1846 🔗

Sorry about cross-post!

I have had reason to drive past the Jiggers Bank test station several times this week and haven’t seen a soul there. Must need to drum up business despite claiming are cases are still ‘too high’

257505 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1521 of 1846 🔗

did you see the video? carefully reading the instructions. i wonder where they have come from as it is clearly from on high

257534 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mjr, 1, #1522 of 1846 🔗

She’s coined a new term – “precautionary symptoms”! Genius.
Apparently you do not have to isolate prior to a test if these precautionary symptoms present themselves!
Her delivery lacked commitment, I would say.

257594 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1523 of 1846 🔗

I’ve been saying for a while they will conflate Covid with other things to keep the fear going. Something like ‘there has been a shock rise in precautionary symptoms this week’, meaning ‘lots more people report having a sore throat and a sniffle’. The trouble is, this is ‘devaluing the currency’ and although it may work at first, eventually it will be so debased as to be unusable.

257666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1524 of 1846 🔗

Spot on, Cranmer. Though by the time the currency is debased I fear the masses will have come to believe that any symptom of any transmissible illness is unacceptable, eternal life is compulsory and living in isolation is a perfectly acceptable condition. Even nits will become a precautionary symptom

257883 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cranmer, #1525 of 1846 🔗

first time I’ve seen a runny nose as a symptom

257980 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cranmer, #1526 of 1846 🔗

The people who engage in that kind of thing are truly sick.

257614 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, #1527 of 1846 🔗

Outer space?

257523 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1528 of 1846 🔗

Funny you should mention that, my local test site has moved from an easily accessible location, close to public transport to a secluded out of the way location, where any activity on the site cannot be seen.

I rarely see vehicles waiting to go in.

257513 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to mjr, 7, #1529 of 1846 🔗

I’ve had a funny twitch in my left eye for the last few days.

No other symptoms but that’s likely Covid….

257537 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to NappyFace, 4, #1530 of 1846 🔗

I get this a lot -it’s stress wot does it. You might end up looking like Herbert Lom in the Pink Panther

257910 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to NappyFace, #1531 of 1846 🔗

winking can get you into trouble

257545 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to mjr, 2, #1532 of 1846 🔗

This is beyond a farce. Find me someone over 65 who doesn’t have aches and pains.

257615 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Marialta, 2, #1533 of 1846 🔗

I’m 68 and no aches and pains. I walk a lot and have a healthy diet, Lucky I suppose or is it lack of vacs. I never had an MMR or BCG.

257624 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to William Hand, 1, #1534 of 1846 🔗

You’re smart! I haven’t had a vaccine in probably 35 years, but did have all the childhood stuff. I wish I’d have not vaccinated my kids, but that ship has sailed. They were harassed so often to get the HPV vaccine but neither of them did, thank goodness. If they even think about getting any Covid vaccine I’ll kill them first, but they’re over the age of consent…

257682 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, #1535 of 1846 🔗

Me!

257559 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mjr, #1536 of 1846 🔗

I’d have to take a test most days, based on that list.

257575 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to mjr, #1537 of 1846 🔗

I think this needs satirising.

257630 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #1538 of 1846 🔗

Yes! Feeling tired for no good reason??? How about we’re all tired of this insanity. Lethargy breeds lethargy, so when we’re encouraged not to go anywhere or do anything, we’re going to feel tired. Plandemics are exhausting.

257684 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #1539 of 1846 🔗

It’s already hilarious – except unfortunately the sheeple will not get the joke.

257657 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, 2, #1540 of 1846 🔗

My arsehole has got a headache with all this pish, does that count?

257663 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 2, #1541 of 1846 🔗

Depends where you put the swab?

257824 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1542 of 1846 🔗

Surely you mean Schwab ?

257662 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #1543 of 1846 🔗

So they give you a list of very common and often innocent symptoms, then tell you to declare yourself symptom free when you book a test.
?????

Is this an egregious attempt to “prove” that asymptomatic people are “infectious” ?

257500 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1544 of 1846 🔗

On this damp & cold real “black Friday” I have just noticed that Richard D Hall has published a series of third party videos relating to the plandemic. Something to enjoy your favourite tipple or nibble with.

For those of you are not familiar with the work of Richard D Hall you can read more about him here Rich goes by the tag line of “ Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see

The collection of videos are here something for all tastes… false flags, 5G, Q Anon, medical & science professionals speaking out etc.

257565 ▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to Dave #KBF, #1545 of 1846 🔗

Looking forward to Richard’s next film. He’s pretty out-there but pretty thorough too.

257568 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1546 of 1846 🔗

I have a Rich Planet TV t-shirt.

257653 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dave #KBF, #1547 of 1846 🔗

Yes, I’ve watched a lot of his stuff, interesting one about Richie manic and his fabled disappearance

257668 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, #1548 of 1846 🔗

That’s a great film, when they go to find that hippy called “Vince” in the pyrneese as they thought it was Richie Manic who had dropped out and gone wild, great stuff.

257687 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, #1549 of 1846 🔗

Defo, IMO manics are crap but richard raised some interesting observations about how manics were manipulated into writing about certain subjects and themes. Whole music scene and entertainment is full of indoctrination.

Film about jo Cox is good too.

257691 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, #1550 of 1846 🔗

And the one about the Manchester bombing

257655 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dave #KBF, #1551 of 1846 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/uwk3vsjVKhhX/

This is interesting and recommended by him

257507 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1552 of 1846 🔗

Does anyone know if there have been any serious studies into the labelling of Covid deaths and hospitalisations, ie looking at what extent they are really due to Covid, please?

Sorry if this has been covered before.

257526 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to NappyFace, 6, #1553 of 1846 🔗

It’s a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, and that’s the way they intend to keep it. The lack of autopsies and the changes to the way in which Death Certs are completed leaves us only with conjecture, but the numbers we do know suggest that far fewer deaths are truly from Covid than with it.

257531 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1554 of 1846 🔗

Ooh like a Ferrero Rocher!

257543 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to CGL, 5, #1555 of 1846 🔗

Very similar but not quite so sweet!

257611 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #1556 of 1846 🔗

In both cases the inside is nuts.

257621 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 2, #1557 of 1846 🔗

oh very good

wiz ziss repartee you arrrr spoeling us, Anniebassador

257650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Alethea, 2, #1558 of 1846 🔗

And we got there! Go team us!

257696 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Alethea, #1559 of 1846 🔗

That’s enough snickering.

257645 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to CGL, 1, #1560 of 1846 🔗

You are spoiling us

257539 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1561 of 1846 🔗

CEBM have tried to get this type of data and have been refused it

257552 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NappyFace, 5, #1562 of 1846 🔗

The people at the top have ZERO interest in understanding covid better. Their only focus is to fiddle around with restrictions, keep up the pretence that it’s unprecedented, until the vaccine arrives.

257581 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1563 of 1846 🔗

For the USA the CDC breaks it down very thoroughly (surprisingly):

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

This is an excellent graph for the UK:

https://hectordrummond.com/2020/11/12/nhs-graphs-from-christopher-bowyer-10-nov/

257949 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to John Galt, #1564 of 1846 🔗

Thanks!

257738 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1565 of 1846 🔗

Here was an interesting one from a Scottish audit in August

https://blogs.gov.scot/statistics/2020/09/15/counting-people-in-hospital-with-covid-19/

Audit findings
The audit of inpatients identified 384 patients in hospital at 1am on 26 August across Scotland who had previously tested positive for COVID-19.
The majority of these patients (87%) were in hospital for a condition unrelated to COVID-19:

  • 45% were hospital onset cases who were no longer being isolated or treated for COVID-19;
  • 25% had recovered from COVID-19, been discharged and then readmitted for an unrelated condition;
  • 9% had a previous positive COVID-19 test in the community, and were admitted for an unrelated reason
  • 8% had been admitted for COVID-19, had recovered but were still in hospital for other reasons.

The audit showed that 8% of patients were either receiving treatment for COVID-19, were in rehabilitation after their treatment for COVID-19 was completed, or were in hospital for COVID-19 related complications. (5% of patients could not be classified into the above categories.)

257760 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1566 of 1846 🔗

That’s actually extraordinary! So, to summarise, hardly anyone in hospital with Covid was in hospital because of Covid.

257764 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to WhyNow, #1567 of 1846 🔗

That’s about the extent of it!

257951 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Freecumbria, #1568 of 1846 🔗

Astounding! Thank you.

257756 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to NappyFace, #1569 of 1846 🔗

Whitty told the HoC Select Committee that up to half the April deaths may have been avoidable. That’s not quite the same as not Covid, but it is a different angle on it. We know there were 50,000 deaths more than usual in the last 5 years. SAGE would say that ergo they were Covid. But if half were not unusual, then a max of 25,000 may have been attributable.
After that you are into which came first: the dementia or the flu? We know that doctors were encouraged or required to report deaths as Covid. Obviously hardly any were Covid in the absence of anything else. But how many were cut short by Covid, and by how much? There has been no report of that, and I suspect SAGE don’t really want to know that.

257952 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to peyrole, #1571 of 1846 🔗

Thanks.

257515 ziggee, replying to ziggee, 37, #1572 of 1846 🔗

18:49
What really worries me is… South Australia Locks down because of one person and the BBC reports it, as if it’s all perfectly normal and rational.
Sometimes it feels like I’m in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
I’m sure many on here will have felt something similar.

257522 ▶▶ watashi, replying to ziggee, 6, #1573 of 1846 🔗

Yes! almost every day at the moment

257533 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to ziggee, 10, #1574 of 1846 🔗

We’re in the sequel – Invasion of the Brain Snatchers.

257554 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ziggee, 6, #1575 of 1846 🔗

They will have to keep at it forever with that attitude, even with a compulsory vaccine, since the vaccines aren’t 100% effective and are only tested to reduce symptoms, not transmission.

257607 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1576 of 1846 🔗

That’s it exactly. The sheeple don’t understand that the vaccine isn’t even designed to stop the spread and, at best, minimizes symptoms. At worst, I don’t even want to think about the damage it will do. Since the population is so innumerate and overcome with fear, they will line up for the vaccine and then wonder why we’re not back to normal. Then they’ll blame the rest of us — if everyone would just wear their masks and take the Frankenvaccine we’d be back to normal.

257711 ▶▶ Ben, replying to ziggee, 1, #1577 of 1846 🔗

I don’t have a television. No BBC license fee 🙂

257717 ▶▶ paologrigio, replying to ziggee, #1578 of 1846 🔗

Is that the pizza case? Assuming it was I was a bit heartened because when they realised the fella had lied & they weren’t dealing with a super-virulent strain, they withdrew the circuit breaker.

258023 ▶▶ RickH, replying to ziggee, #1579 of 1846 🔗

It’s always been one of the top images in my mind.

257535 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #1580 of 1846 🔗

Positive testssince Oct 25th. Note the Monday/Tuesday spike after the flat weekend to give the BBC something to report, yesterday was XX% higher than yesterday, without mentioning that yesterday was sunday & no one was reporting.

257944 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, #1581 of 1846 🔗

These are excellent. No messing. Just the daily situation report. Thanks.

258022 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1582 of 1846 🔗

… but still nonsense. That’s the bottom line.

257541 Jo, replying to Jo, 37, #1583 of 1846 🔗

Had my windows cleaned today. I know the man slightly, my partner knows him better. He is an arch sceptic and started talking about the WEF etc. I showed him the Corona: False Alarm? book and he asked me to write down details so he could buy it online today. I gave him a £5 tip – he said I didn’t need to, but I replied it could go towards the book I’d suggested he buy! He told me he had been working at a Chemistry professor’s house earlier on and got talking about the vaccine, and she told him there was no way she or any of her family would have the vaccine. A breath of fresh air. I told him that if the vaccination is mandated, I am going to instruct a barrister to get an injunction and then possibly a class action if I can get enough like-minded individuals (having discussed it with my solicitor friend) and he agreed he wanted to be part of it if the need arises.

257560 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Jo, 13, #1584 of 1846 🔗

No-one in our family nor anyone we know is going to have the vaccine and that includes a few that are a bit less sceptical than us on here.

257570 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Jo, 17, #1585 of 1846 🔗

Slightly biased here, but wouldn’t you say that it’s generally the self-employed who refuse to believe any of this BS and carry on calmly and rationally?

257583 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 6, #1586 of 1846 🔗

You might be right, but I’m pretty confident that pre-self-employed me would have been just as sceptical, if slightly less stressed about paying the bills.

257593 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lyra Silvertongue