Last updated2020-11-21T10:59:53



258040 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 50, #1 of 1470 🔗

I randomly check LS, and look at this, I’m first!

I am still completely stunned that the lockdown protests have not become widespread in the US. And that we are so happy to tolerate this insane censorship.

258066 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to RyanM, 19, #2 of 1470 🔗

Not only first, but first on the 200th edition of LS.

258069 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dave #KBF, 55, #3 of 1470 🔗

The first edition on 15th April received one comment. Now we have a small community. This is my one-stop shop for all news updates.

258071 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Richard O, 37, #4 of 1470 🔗

I like the way although most people on here do not actually know each other they get support from the comments.

258101 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dave #KBF, 44, #5 of 1470 🔗

I feel I do know LD people. A lot better than the nappied ghouls that I encounter in my town – when I absolutely can’t avoid it.

Hail, People!

258113 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to annie, 8, #6 of 1470 🔗

Hail Annie!
Fare thee well chook?

258160 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to annie, 12, #7 of 1470 🔗

“nappied ghouls”

Brilliant. Made me laugh!

258456 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Barney McGrew, 13, #8 of 1470 🔗

“Nappied ghouls”

That’s an appropriate term to use for this observation.

Last night I drove to a nearby village hall to get my fish & chips from an excellent mobile shop which stops there on Friday nights. When I first started visiting a couple of months ago there was usually only a couple of customers waiting, and I was on my way within minutes. Also, no masks being worn by customers or the proprietors (it appears to be a Husband/Wife/Daughter outfit). However, since Lockdown 2 there is now a large queue, and nearly all are muzzled. Worse, the Husband now wears a muzzle (must be great while fun standing over the range!), although the women use plastic shields. As I was waiting for them to open up – and bearing in mind that it was moderately windy and I suffer from tinnitus – I caught snippets of a conversation behind me. The most obvious female was telling someone else that her daughter worked in the local hospital Covid Ward ICU. I heard bits about how she thought the virus spreads (aerosol droplets were mentioned) and how she doesn’t get out of the car without a mask on!!! Then she inferred that “some people just don’t get it” – at which point I assumed she meant me (I had turned round to look at the queue earlier). The final words I heard were along the lines of “People like that shouldn’t carry on as normal, and then expect the NHS to treat them”. It was then my turn to be served, and since the cold was getting to me I headed back home, but will pay closer attention next week…

258801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to microdave, 16, #9 of 1470 🔗

Possibly a lot of these need to be laminated and stuck up wherever people queue

259231 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #10 of 1470 🔗

I’ve had the same thought – using the anecdote about Stalin and the plucked chicken. I think this sort of thing might be worthwhile.

At this point, I find it hard to walk past these people with out calling out something like “Idiot!” or “Serf!” or “Where’s your “I’m a happy serf” button?”

259409 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to nightspore, 1, #11 of 1470 🔗

i have actually been muttering’ idiot !’ sometiems ‘ moron ‘ for a change under my breath when out for my walk and there they are no one around but are wearing masks!

259478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to sam, 1, #12 of 1470 🔗

I’ve printed out 50 this week.
2 per sheet of A4, cut down white margins, then laminate leaving a clear plastic border round the paper.
If the paper is near the holes you punch for cable ties the water gets in and delaminates it.
Then cable tie to the micromesh at bus stops handrails, lamp posts etc.
Even if it gets a few of the Karens laughed at, it’s having an effect of moving the window.

258840 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to microdave, 14, #13 of 1470 🔗

Not really the same situation, but my son delivers “Ubereats” in Montpellier where all the restaurants and bars are closed but can still provide takeaways. He sent us a photograph of about fifty guys on bicycles waiting outside a restaurant with Ubereat bags, all crowded together, no distancing at all. It might have been simpler (and “safer” if you believe in that sort of thing) just to let customers eat in the restaurant at separate tables rather than have their dinner delivered by people who had been breathing all over each other. Logic is not the French government’s strong suit at the moment.

258851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jane in France, 8, #14 of 1470 🔗

Just proves it isn’t about a virus.

258204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 17, #15 of 1470 🔗

I feel like this too Annie – this thing we have in common transcends absolutely all else, and if we feel the same way about it, nothing else matters.

Dave – I like the support network too. I hope that we can all just keep each other going, and maybe all meet up one day for a massive knees-up.

258789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to CGL, 7, #16 of 1470 🔗

Wouldn’t that be fantastic! If that day comes, I’ll definitely contribute to the champagne – and food!

258862 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to CGL, 5, #17 of 1470 🔗

I am happy to pay for the rental of the bandstand in Saffron Walden.

258158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Dave #KBF, 22, #18 of 1470 🔗

I feel like I know some people on here now! I recognise usernames and we have our regular commenters 🙂

258337 ▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Richard O, 16, #19 of 1470 🔗

Me too. A lifeline in stormy seas.

258128 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 28, #20 of 1470 🔗

I see this site and the people in it as my little community now. Plus one stop shop for all updates and facts.

258942 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Dave #KBF, #21 of 1470 🔗

Early bird

Dear …


Ermmm 😕 Man Falls Of Ladder & Dies 😢 Guess What He Was Written Off With 🏥 ..


258200 ▶▶ CGL, replying to RyanM, 5, #22 of 1470 🔗

Like winning the lottery eh.

258237 ▶▶ goldhoarder, replying to RyanM, 24, #23 of 1470 🔗

In the USA just head out to a rural area. Nobody cares about this nonsense there. Avoid large cities

258723 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to goldhoarder, 12, #24 of 1470 🔗

Same in the UK.

258485 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RyanM, 20, #25 of 1470 🔗

Well, over 70 million Americans voted for Trump despite the massive demonisation and propaganda campaign against him. So you can’t fault at least that many for at least trying.

259029 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Mark, 4, #26 of 1470 🔗

We’re definitely trying. But it’s also pretty difficult to drop your jobs and lives to move to a free state (and have work when you get there). My family is in Montana and Idaho, and we are visiting often. Headed to Idaho this week for Thanksgiving.

259243 ▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Mark, 4, #27 of 1470 🔗

It is likely to be more like 80 million. Possibly almost 20 million more than what Biden actually got.

259402 ▶▶ sam, replying to RyanM, 1, #28 of 1470 🔗

me too . i keep looking for signs of protests but haven’t found any .i’m happy there’s someone else here from the u.s..i love lockdown sceptics.i don’t know what i ‘d do with out it and everyone here .

258041 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 11, #29 of 1470 🔗

Excellent Devil’s Dictionary today.

258042 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 10, #30 of 1470 🔗

3rd! Im very very drunk

258046 ▶▶▶ Doodle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #31 of 1470 🔗

And I’m jealous. I’ll have my revenge tomorrow night. Muwahaha!

258049 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #32 of 1470 🔗

hope you enjoyed yourself. Cheers

258241 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #33 of 1470 🔗

Yes, I particularly liked these:

Factcheck: The replacement of an inconvenient set of contested statements and opinions with a convenient set of contested statements and opinions.

Expert, n . Credentialled scientist/researcher/academic whose opinion one agrees with. (qv “The science”).

Pseudo-expert , n . Credentialled scientist/researcher/academic whose opinion one does not agree with. (qv charlatan/outlier/controversialist).

258772 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #34 of 1470 🔗

Ambrose Bierce wrote a Devil’s Dictionary.

259020 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to richard riewer, 2, #35 of 1470 🔗

One of my favourites is: Love; n A temporary form of insanity cured by marriage.

Not in my case though I am smug enough to report.

258865 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #36 of 1470 🔗

Yes. I haven’t checked, is it included in the right column? So one can access it easily and does not have find it on individual days?

258043 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 98, #37 of 1470 🔗

Morning everyone. The lockdown – what a catastrophic mess.
I live in Thailand and heard this week that a very dear friend of mine is at the end of her life and is currently receiving care in a hospital in the UK. Preparations are being made to transfer her back to her flat. I would love to see her and started to make prepartions to fly back to the UK. I spoke to her friend over there and as she said NO hopital visiting and if and when she does get discharged only the carers and one friend can go to see her.

My dear friend is a very out-going, gung-ho type of lady and to think of her alone and without her myriad of friends around her leaves me distraught.

As a retired nurse I am all to aware of hospital acquired infections and I think that the longer she is in hospital the greater her chance of getting something and dying in there on her own. It makes ashamed to say that I was once part of the caring profession. Mental health care doesn’t seem to be part of the caring package any more.

Sadly I am all too aware that I am not alone in being in this situation.

258072 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Judy Watson, 40, #38 of 1470 🔗

Judy my blood boils when I hear cases such as this, our elders are being treated dreadfully, because of the actions of the state.

258073 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dave #KBF, 62, #39 of 1470 🔗

This is nothing short of genocide against the elderly. The perpetrators must face a justice no less than that which was meted out at Nuremberg. Lengthy custodial sentences are the absolute minimum. To include not just the politicians and bureaucrats who ordered it but anyone in the medical establishment that followed their orders.

258212 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Richard O, 19, #40 of 1470 🔗

A better punishment, in my opinion, would be to confiscate all their assets and then sell them into slavery. In the case of politicians this must include their families for three generations.

259247 ▶▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Richard O, #41 of 1470 🔗

Not exactly genocide. They’re just collateral damage. Along with so many others. Which suggests to me the desperation of the people perpetrating this fraud.

258130 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #42 of 1470 🔗

Thank you

258310 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Judy Watson, 67, #43 of 1470 🔗

My mother had to go into a home last week. She has severe dementia, and we knew it was inevitable at some point for her safety, but were trying to hang on until the crazy restrictions were lifted, and we’d be able to smoothly transfer her to a nice place, that we could visit and choose, and then help her settle in. She often doesn’t recognise even her children but when she does, we are the only ones who can calm her from her anxious and paranoid episodes.

Sadly, 2 weeks ago, she developed cellulitis in her hand, and a carer called 999. Straight to hospital for 10 days, and then she was “unsafe to discharge” so she has had to go to a home which, although it has a very good reputation, means we haven’t seen her. After 2 weeks “isolation” in her new room, and I will give the staff a medal if they can achieve this as she likes to be on the go all the time, we will be allowed to book a visit to look at her through a floor to ceiling perspex screen. I was allowed to deliver her clothes – the door opened, I was told “leave them there” then the door opened after I had got back in the car. No furniture or personal effects to be brought in.

Throughout this time she has had no contact with anyone who knows her, nor her family. She can’t work out using a phone, you have to hold her hands, look at her and speak to her face to face to have any impact.

I am a very pragmatic person, a specialist nurse (not all of us in the NHS go along with this nonsense and I rebel at every opportunity!) but it is heartbreaking. We may never see her in person again.

Thank you Boris and Matt for the society you have made, there are tears in my eyes even writing this.

And both her covid swabs in hospital were negative…..

258333 ▶▶▶ Evelyn, replying to TJS123, 35, #44 of 1470 🔗

I’m so sorry for you and your mum. I’m a retired community psychiatric nurse. I feel so angry at the government …. it is truly wicked the way the way they are allowing this to happen to people.

259277 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Evelyn, 2, #45 of 1470 🔗

Thank you, much appreciated. Have been starting to clear her house today which has to be sold to pay the over £1000 a week fees…

259025 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to TJS123, 5, #46 of 1470 🔗

I am so sorry. Simply awful.

Those bastards must be made to pay heavily.

259278 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to charleyfarley, #47 of 1470 🔗

Thank you Charley Farley.

259226 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to TJS123, 5, #48 of 1470 🔗

I’m really sorry your Mum is being subjected to these draconian measures in the name of safety. As someone who used to work for the NHS I’m glad I washed my hand of nursing over a year ago as I certainly wouldn’t want to be part if the current culture of so called healthcare.

259424 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to TJS123, 3, #49 of 1470 🔗

this is heartbreaking. it makes me so angry too.is criminal to treat the elderly like this ,to treat anyone like this but especially the elderly . have they no shame, -the politicians and the media and the WHO .- and the masses that go along with this and are brainwashed and have no back bone

258398 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #50 of 1470 🔗

I think visiting the sick and sadly dying is permitted under the “PACKAGE OF MEASURES”.
I think Mrs 2-6 has the relevant bit of the bastard laws that we can post here later on.

258045 Doodle, replying to Doodle, 13, #51 of 1470 🔗

This is the ‘fact check’ article that probably caused the removal of Michael Yeadon’s video from utube although it pertains to his Talk Radio interview with JHB, it is essentially the same as his video.


This is the UK Gov House of Commons Library article explaining the reliability of PCR tests (from September) https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/covid-19-how-reliable-are-test-results/

Apologies if already posted by someone

258062 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Doodle, 21, #52 of 1470 🔗


I love how in one part she quotes other fact checkers as her proof

Hartley-Brewer reiterates the inaccurate claim, also made by U.S. President Donald Trump, that many people who died due to COVID-19 did not actually die from the disease, but from preexisting conditions like heart disease and cancer. This claim is false, as fact-checked by Health Feedback, PolitiFact, and Lead Stories, among others.

Part of Science Feedback.

Science Feedback is partnering with Facebook to verify the credibility of viral content as part of the third-party fact-checking initiative.

Enough said!

258213 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 26, #53 of 1470 🔗

Maybe I’m a bit slow to the party, but it suddenly hit me like a sledgehammer as I woke, that if a post has been removed by the fact-checkers, it means it must have contained irrefutable facts.

258276 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CGL, 10, #54 of 1470 🔗

Yes, it is that simple.

258447 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to CGL, 2, #55 of 1470 🔗

Allow for deliberate fake mud in the water by which to smear by association – such as flat earth (a different kind of antiglobalist that identifies so strongly in hatred of being deceived that they allow questioning everything to be directed by the minds of others/

Likewise Covid and fyve gee are often blocked – but that doesn’t mean that respiratory flushing complications are solely caused by fyve gee. But that the tech is SO necessary to an Internment of Things (us) that none of the charge of the covid shock wave is to be officially allowed shaped by fyve gee fears.

There is no proper cautions and open science of transparancy and accountability for ‘tech’ that is fasttracked to serve ‘control agenda’.

However, the principle of recognising that the mind of ‘control agenda’ is the lie and the father of it, is the capacity to not be phished by reaction, and to learn to read what is being masked over or revealed beneath the lie.

Fronting out the lie, is a tactic that maintains face no matter what, by generating enough doubt and division in the minds of others, as to run a circuit breaker against recognising and aligning in truth, accepted, lived and shared in.

259273 ▶▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to CGL, 1, #56 of 1470 🔗

Why do you think they call them “fact checkers”?

(It’s like the Firemen in Fahrenheit 451.)

259257 ▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Ceriain, 1, #57 of 1470 🔗

Wow. This is reality management on steroids.

258097 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Doodle, 23, #58 of 1470 🔗

But it is interesting that now PHE have said that up to 25% of the population could have T-Cell immunity due to previous exposure to the common cold and other coronaviruses it was all over the MSM yesterday. Well Dr Yeadon originally said that months ago and indeed did point it out in his letter to the PM but was of course ignored. This was about the time that he accused Sir Patrick Vallance of being a liar.

258121 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Thomasina, 3, #59 of 1470 🔗

I thought PHE was being culled following the
‘everyone who has had Covid dies of Covid farago’

258277 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 2, #60 of 1470 🔗

PHE were only saying what the government wanted to hear.

258461 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Thomasina, 4, #61 of 1470 🔗

Others have suggested up to 50% – and I have seen a direct link between Vit D levels and the activation or not of T cells – and so with sunlight or supplementation, the % may be able to be higher still.
There are other factors to the undermining of the body’s functioning that come into play with regard to complications arising from any respiratory infection/clearout. Anti-biotic environment interferes with the balance of colonies to deal with the debris of dead cells resulting from viral infection/clearout,

To say we have ‘relative immunity’ is to say there is no real threat or call to intervene as a fear-triggerred intervention, and that what is happening is serving function. If the function is supported instead of a fear-defined intervention, health is nursed instead of sickness.

258111 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Doodle, 3, #62 of 1470 🔗

The Healthfeedback link depends upon the assumption that most people going for tests are symptomatic. But this would not apply to mass-testing, nor when a significant number of people go for tests to satisfy employer demands.

258177 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #63 of 1470 🔗

Their point about positivity % is bizarre also. They state that nowhere have we seen positivity anywhere near 90%. That is not what is being claimed. The claim is that as many as 90% of positives could be false positives.

258322 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, 20, #64 of 1470 🔗

Having symptoms of a respiratory illness could mean that you have anyone of the 200 or so respiratory infections that are in circulation at this time of the year, so why Covid-19. The PCR test means nothing at all and is just another expensive part of the carve up, Now whatever happened to influenza? It seems that the flu has had a very expensive makeover and now wants to be known as Covid-19. This fiasco is chiefly aimed at bouncing us into accepting very dodgy and hardly tested vaccines. People should know that vaccines are never subjected to the same fairly rigorous, but still flawed, testing as drugs and this time around they have dropped all pretence of doing things properly. This outrageous scam is not just about making rich people richer and nor does it have anything to do with safeguarding public health. The real aims are far more sinister and only the very trusting would allow themselves to be injected with these dangerous and liability free concoctions.

258469 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Rowan, 1, #65 of 1470 🔗

It can also result from an accumulation of pollution in the lungs as the body’s means to clear it. If the ongoing maintenance system is degraded, the log-jam piles up a situation in which ‘treatments’ that further degrade are applied, to render the ‘patient’ dependent on such ‘treatments’ as a replacement for the natural regenerative function.

258370 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Doodle, 4, #66 of 1470 🔗

A rise in the number of ‘cases’ which are not cases and ‘deaths’ which are mostly attributable to something else.

258471 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #67 of 1470 🔗

One diagnosis to rule them all and in the darkness bind them.

258047 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 95, #68 of 1470 🔗

Another superb update posted in the middle of the night. Toby and Will are making Herculean efforts here. A contribution of historical importance that will be remembered.

258081 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 40, #69 of 1470 🔗

Not only remembered, but assiduously mined by the historians of the future when they are working on the Great Insanity.

259263 ▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to annie, 1, #70 of 1470 🔗

Unless the future is controlled by those now doing the fact-checking.

258084 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to Richard O, 30, #71 of 1470 🔗

Yes, what an excellent editorial today. Have just been forwarding parts of it to family and friends.

Am feeling a tad more optimistic this morning as we are perhaps close to the point where the facts about the lack of benefits of lockdown become irrefutable

258094 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to SilentP, 27, #72 of 1470 🔗

Maybe some day, the fact checkers will stop suppressing articles written by astronomers who falsely claim that the earth goes round the sun, not vice versa.

But it may take a couple of centuries.

258112 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 16, #73 of 1470 🔗

We’ll have to go through the whole “burning the heretics at the stake” bit first.

258250 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Richard O, 15, #74 of 1470 🔗

A really important contribution, agreed. Hopefully Toby and Will are keeping a copy on paper or offline, the way things are going it could disappear at some not too distant future point.

258402 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Richard O, 13, #75 of 1470 🔗

we need the ‘Lockdown Sceptics Manual’ in time for Christmas, now more than ever. Chapters already set in the sidebar links. Appendix of Devil’s Dictionary. Plus ‘And finally…’ cartoons etc at start of every chapter. £9.99. Available in all , urm, remaining bookstores. All proceeds to the Free Speech warriors?

258668 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Richard O, 25, #76 of 1470 🔗

I don’t often post but I read ls every day and I am monumentally grateful to everyone. You have saved my sanity, made me laugh and rage and not feel alone. I will fight to my last breath and look forward to ultimate truth. Xx

259050 ▶▶▶ Kathryn, replying to zubin, 7, #77 of 1470 🔗

I’m the same Zubin, I rarely post anything but I avidly read each daily update. It is where I learn the latest news on this insanity, since I can no longer stomach watching or listening to the news. Also to find new information with which the beat down the zealots! It has kept me sane and feeling part of a great community of clearly very intelligent people.

258048 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 49, #78 of 1470 🔗

Just who are these “independent fact checkers,” what “facts” are they using to check against, and from where exactly do they derive their authority to decide which facts are true and which are not. It seems more and more dystopian/banana-republic the more you think about it.

258052 ▶▶ Doodle, replying to RyanM, 4, #79 of 1470 🔗

Well this is the person responsible for the Mike Yeadon one https://healthfeedback.org/editor/flora-teoh/

258224 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Doodle, 3, #80 of 1470 🔗

Oh well – she obviously has way more experience than our Carl eh!

258053 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to RyanM, 46, #81 of 1470 🔗

A very small minority of brainwashed assholes who think they are acting in alignment with truth and morality, when in fact they are the enforcers for a gang of murderous, lying, thieving thugs. Dr. Goebbels himself would have been proud of their efforts in support of the state. It will not end well for them.

258075 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to RyanM, 36, #82 of 1470 🔗

Even the good Professor Carl Heneghan, who just happens to be Professor of Evidence Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, Director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford, Editor in Chief of the British Medical Journal for Evidence Based Medicine, and an NHS Urgent Care Doctor, has been dismissed by the Facebook ‘fact checkers’.

And he’s not too chuffed about it!


All those titles and the guy obviously knows nothing (according to Facebook).

258115 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceriain, 34, #83 of 1470 🔗

The very idea of an “independent fact checker” is specious nonsense. Even the Delphic Oracle had her own agenda. It’s creating an untouchable class of self-appointed authorities and it does the exact opposite of what it claims to be trying to do. It’s nothing short of Stalinist.

258125 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #84 of 1470 🔗

Well put.

258172 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #85 of 1470 🔗

Don’t know whether they still do it, but the BBC went through a period where they would interview a Tory politician with a ‘fact checker’ listening, then afterwards turn to the ‘fact checker’ for their analysis! Or even mid-way through the interview.

258265 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Barney McGrew, 11, #86 of 1470 🔗

Before i stopped watching the news, I noticed that the BBC had effectively stopped showing ministers speaking in Parliament and instead, after a brief snippet, handed over to the political editor for him to tell you what the minister had really said. And, more importantly, to introduce John McDonnell to tell you at uninterrupted length why the minister was evil.

258122 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to RyanM, 4, #87 of 1470 🔗

It’s so MiniTrue. Fact Checkers denounce, distort and discredit facts, then they counter with lies and propaganda.

258778 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #88 of 1470 🔗

But they’re independent. So they must be believed.

258133 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RyanM, 8, #89 of 1470 🔗

I don’t think they’re “face checkers” more like censors working for the Covid Inquisition and their Index on banned articles, videos and interviews.

258147 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to RyanM, 4, #90 of 1470 🔗

good question! A friend of mine used one to counter an argument I made on FB. I asked on this forum what people thought about Fullfact.org. Within a couple of minutes I enough ammunition to take on my friend.

258234 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #91 of 1470 🔗

They did one on Toby!
I thought the IFR was on the WHO website, as stated by Ioannidis – that’s fact isn’t it?

258382 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to CGL, 7, #92 of 1470 🔗

Thanks for this – I wasn’t aware of FullFact.org.
I’ve just sent them a correction to Rachael Krishna’s ‘fact check’ on Toby’s tweet, referring them to Ioannidis’ WHO paper. FullFact’s Corrections link is here
and I see no reason not to make them work for their living! Let’s see if they respond.
No reason for others not to go down the same route, except you need to give them name and email address – I am already on ‘The Naughty List’ as i’ve been writing to my MP, so what the hell!

258153 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to RyanM, 18, #93 of 1470 🔗

Independent fact checkers are usually young people fresh out of university desperate for a career in journalism or politics they are normally working as interns and paid occasionally.
Their main sources of information are the BBC and Wikipedia.

258555 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to 6097 Smith W, 4, #94 of 1470 🔗

Well, cannot knock Wikipedia, that’s where sage resort to for their research after all, probably articles compiled by a graduate who couldn’t get a job as a fact checker. All these unattributed fact check articles, quite probably written by people with no grasp of articles they are checking at all.

And as for social media censorship, that is an algorithm probably written by somebody with CCP censorship experience.

258222 ▶▶ CGL, replying to RyanM, 4, #95 of 1470 🔗

2-pence posted a link to a company who carries out some of the fact-checking yesterday – https://www.poynter.org/major-funders/
Independent? Not!

258460 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to CGL, 4, #96 of 1470 🔗

Poynter pretend that they are some sort of arbiter of truth, through their ‘International Fact-checking Network’.

The International Fact-Checking Network has updated its system for verifying fact-checking organizations’ compliance with its “Code of Principles” in 2020. But in practice so far the new IFCN system seems no better than the one Zebra Fact Check tested in 2019 .

In 2019 the review of PolitiFact failed to mention complaints Zebra Fact Check submitted. The IFCN failed to deliver those complaints to the outside assessor. The IFCN belatedly sent the complaints to the assessor but published no evaluation of the complaints. The public would not know from the IFCN the complaints were ever submitted. Thankfully, the outside assessor, Michael Wagner, modeled appropriate transparency and shared with Zebra Fact Check the evaluation he sent to the IFCN.
Here We Go Again? The Washington Post Fact Checker came due for its annual IFCN review on June 20, 2020 . Zebra Fact Check submitted a complaint about the Fact Checker a few days later on June 29, 2020 .

We caught the Fact Checker offering a false version of a news report as part of a fact check on the alleged connection between “antifa” and violence at a “Black Lives Matter” protest. Zebra Fact Check sent a formal complaint to the Washington Post on June 26, 2020 , but the error remains months later.
Zebra Fact Check interpreted the Fact Checker’s failure to fix the error as a failure to adhere “scrupulously” to an open and honest policy on corrections, hence the June 29 complaint we sent to the IFCN.
On Aug. 20, 2020 the IFCN published its approving review of the Fact Checker. The review, by the same assessor who reviewed PolitiFact in 2019, contained no mention of any complaints about the Fact Checker.
Had the IFCN (incredibly) failed again to forward the complaint to the assessor?
Had the IFCN decided we submitted the complaint too late to consider for an annual review due on June 20 and published on Aug. 20?

Zebra Fact Check asked the IFCN to settle those questions with an Aug. 28, 2020 email .

When we failed to obtain a response, we repeated the request with a Sept. 7, 2020 email .
IFCN’s Fig Leaf Accountability A system of accountability that ignores complaints and does not require compliance with its “Code of Principles” fails its mission.
That system instead promotes the appearance of accountability without the substance.

A true system of accountability would transparently evaluate complaints on their merits. And after that expect fact checkers to improve on any identified areas of weakness.

At the IFCN complaints are apparently routinely buried, with no changes expected in response to apparently valid complaints.

The new accountability system does not function as advertised.


258251 ▶▶ ianric, replying to RyanM, 1, #97 of 1470 🔗

A good overview of so called fact checkers.


258311 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to RyanM, 4, #98 of 1470 🔗

Silly kids who can’t get a proper media job.

258526 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to RyanM, 5, #99 of 1470 🔗

There are some interesting videos about the fact checkers and who funds them, unsurprisingly it is is usually foundations of the rich and powerful and big multinationals.

Who Will Fact Check the Fact Checkers?
We’ve all come across online fact checkers that purport to warn us away from independent media sites under the guise of protecting us from fake news. But who is behind these fact check sites? How do they operate?

258051 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 9, #100 of 1470 🔗

(also, I love being wished a good morning at 6:45 pm. My Friday night hasn’t even started yet!)

258056 ▶▶ Doodle, replying to RyanM, 10, #101 of 1470 🔗

It’s 3:25 in the morning here in the Kingdom of Wessex and I’ve got to go to bed. I’m pretty sure the insanity will be still out there when I get up.

Night all.

258057 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to RyanM, 7, #102 of 1470 🔗

I’m in England but started drinking late so am on the nightshift.

You must be in Bidenland then (formerly known as the West Coast)?

258193 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Richard O, 14, #103 of 1470 🔗

Washington State. Ruled by the soviet republic of Seattle, and the rest of us have no say in anything. I am so fuming mad at my idiot governor. He is an absolutely worthless sack of shit.

258877 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to RyanM, 4, #104 of 1470 🔗

Oh, I am so sorry for you!
They are crazy again!
I listen to podcast presented by 2 guys in Seattle, and the end of the last episode they announced they will do the next one via virtually getting together, as new lockdown, and reminded everyone to wear a face covering. I put sth on their FB page (one reason why I am still on FB), that FC do more harm than good.
The vile comments I got were, well, vile.
And so stupid. SO accused me of potentially harming “hundreds of thousands people”.

258055 Allen, replying to Allen, 93, #105 of 1470 🔗

I’ve been looking over overall death totals from the US these past few days. While some of you know from my comments I have been chronicling the fraud of the entire Covid narrative from Day One I think it’s now time for me to recant, for all of us to recant. As the numbers below illustrate this thing is very real. Not only is it real but it has been with us for years- Covid you see is in our past, present and future. Not only do we need to lockdown but we need to do it in a way to make amends for not locking down in previous years- maybe think of it as atonement for enjoying walking around freely in past times when death was hittin’ us just as hard as it is now.

Consider the following figures from the good old, albeit crumbling, US of A.

US Total deaths by year per CDC:

2013: 2,596,993
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630
2016: 2,744,248
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,855,000
2020: as of 11/14 total deaths= 2,512,880

At present the US is experiencing a 1.12% increase in overall mortality rates for 2020- not good- pandemicky numbers to be sure.

However, last year, 2019, there was also a 1.12% increase. Did we miss a pandemic in 2019? Where was the media on this- sleeping on the job? Should we not have been in full blown hysteria with windows shut and full blown anti-viral gear strapped to our faces?
But wait it’s even scarier- 2018 saw a 1.22% increase in mortality rates, 2017 saw a 1.24% increase, 2016 1.27% increase, 2015 1.27% increase, 2014 1.29% increase- all exceeding 2020’s increase rate- any sane person would see these are clearly pandemicky figures no?

Doesn’t this indicate non-stop pandemics every year for the last 7 years and we just weren’t paying attention and didn’t have an honest media to keep us pinned to our beds in a proper state of fear?

And BTW 2013 all the way back to 2009 were all .09% increases- don’t know where the cutoff is but certainly even these years were “pandemic like” and we could have at least been doing some prep work for the real thing.

It isn’t until we go back to the year 2008 that we see a decrease in overall mortality rates in the US. For 20 straight years there were decreases in mortality rates and then in 2009 this changed- since then we have had an increase in mortality rates. Why is that? Could this point to the 2008 economic recession as being the leading indicator rather than some supernatural force from the bowels of the scientifipharma computer models?

In Reality Land this year at present seems to be no different in overall rates compared to last year and less of an increase than the preceding 5 years. How is this possible during a “pandemic of biblical proportions?”

As for the masks- the scary thing about removing these bacteria laden masks is that the public might forget about the pandemic and might start treating it like former similar respiratory virus outbreaks, live normal lives, and we would have less people overall dying.

Once people removed their masks and found out that no one is dropping dead more than usual (and they realize they feel a lot better without the face diaper) many would start to question the validity of covering their face for a normal virus that has an overall lethality of .14 (and dropping) same as normal flu (as that is what it is) and then many might question the validity of the entire fraud. Think of the ramifications of this. Hence the non-stop fear mongering and the mask mandates which frankly are on the level of medieval superstitions against invisible spirits.

Can’t have this of course as then it would get embarrassing.

Sleepy Americans need to understand it’s not about masks. It’s not about social distancing. It’s not about lockdowns. It’s not about vaccines. These issues are mechanisms being employed to achieve their 17 Sustainable Development Goals of the Sustainable Development Agenda.

Pretty neat trick to get people to not only go along with, but directly and sanctimoniously wear the symbol of their own demise.

258059 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Allen, 37, #106 of 1470 🔗

Masks are bad here in the UK but not embraced as universally and zealously as they have been in far too many states in the USA. I have visited your great country many times, but now it is absolutely off limits, in the bleakest scenario for decades to come.

258198 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Richard O, 57, #107 of 1470 🔗

I have been absolutely flabbergasted by our embrace of masks. Back in March, I said “just try mandating masks. This is the US, and we’ll never stand for it.” So they mandated masks and I ran out with a pitchfork, ready to tar and feather the power hungry governor… But when I looked back, everyone was back inside, being fitted for masks.

I have lost so much respect for so many people. I never could have predicted this.

258416 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to RyanM, 5, #108 of 1470 🔗

Great post. There is an even more striking aspect to your figures, which you perhaps could have emphasised more. If you extrapolate this year’s figures (up to 14/11) for a full year, using the factor of 366/319 days, then according to my calculator, the projected figure for 2020 would be 2,883,116 deaths. This represents only a 0.98% year on year increase. Quite a striking reduction in the rate of change you observe….

Note: Comments relate to earlier post from Allen, but not sure how to change this!

258895 ▶▶▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Ken Gardner, 4, #109 of 1470 🔗

You are correct in your overall assessment with one caveat- the current figures as of Nov. 14th most likely will have some lag in reportage so while it may end up as you suggest at .98% and will if those figures remain it is likely due to that lag that the figure will approach last years of 1.12%- slightly below when the decimal is drawn out one more point.

We are having rather low rates of overall monthly death totals in the back half of 2020 for the obvious reason that they killed so many of the elderly in March/April who would be passing away in a more evenly spread out manner rather than in that one spike.

In either case it really is just an academic exercise at this point as if we were truly in a “global pandemic of biblical proportion” we would not be having such a discussion to parse details.

258883 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to RyanM, 7, #110 of 1470 🔗

I used to casually follow a couple in Instagram. They are from Portland, Oregon. A dentist and nurse. Both advocate wearing FCs. if educated people like this do it, what hope is there?

259244 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to RyanM, 5, #111 of 1470 🔗

I’ve also lost respect for people particularly long term friends who have enthusiastically embraced the ‘new religion’ and now regard me as untouchable.

259461 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to fiery, 2, #112 of 1470 🔗

me too i have a few friends who are now devoted believers of the ‘new religion’ and we rarely talk now .

258331 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 16, #113 of 1470 🔗

Unlike the UK, the US has a history of mandatory mask wearing going back to the Spanish flu outbreak over 100 years. They also had a tradition of mandatory eugenics, forced sterilisation and so on. The Doctor Worship cult has always been worse over there.

258538 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to OKUK, 7, #114 of 1470 🔗

Yes, James Corbett has been doing a great jobs exposing the eugenics movement and its history, sadly it is still alive and well, just living in the shadows protected by the media. The US population would be well served to educate themselves about what the elite have planned for them. https://www.corbettreport.com/

258076 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Allen, 11, #115 of 1470 🔗

Great post!

I think it’s now time for me to recant, for all of us to recant

You had me going for a minute there. 😉

258239 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 4, #116 of 1470 🔗

Time for us to R(ec)ant – loudly and in public places

258087 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to Allen, 10, #117 of 1470 🔗

Lovely post Allen. Should go on the front page. Maybe email a copy to Toby/Will?

258132 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Allen, 3, #118 of 1470 🔗

this post should be ‘fact checked’ by MiniTrue. We should “choose truth over facts”.
only joking
great post, Allen

258254 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Allen, 2, #119 of 1470 🔗

Great post, & the figures here tell exactly the same story!

258945 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Allen, 4, #120 of 1470 🔗

Excellent post, but don’t dismiss the dodgy vaccines. They are the key to massive population reduction and thence it’s on to sustainable development goals that have become realistic.

259267 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Allen, 1, #121 of 1470 🔗

That’s fantastic. I just stole that. Hope you don’t mind!

259396 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #122 of 1470 🔗

Not at all.

259443 ▶▶ sam, replying to Allen, 1, #123 of 1470 🔗

i’m so happy some fellow americans here on this wonderful british lockdown sceptics . i felt bad and a littlel embarrassed that i was intruding on this best place on the internet that is a wonderful british group with such fantastic writers everyone thank you toby all the great guest posts all the great commenters here everyone writing . so enjoyable to read .

259531 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Allen, #124 of 1470 🔗

Fabulous post!

258060 richard riewer, 7, #125 of 1470 🔗

Laura Perrins on Delingpod equated Modelling with Lies.

258061 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 3, #126 of 1470 🔗

For some time, I have been noting (and posting on a forum) the reported weekly cv deaths based on worldometer data from several countries (hard/soft lockdown, major European) to try and get some sort of context for what is happening. However, for some time I’ve felt that it would be good to have other stats to put along side it, particularly: total respiratory deaths and comparisons with previous years; total deaths and comparisons with previous years; the severity of flu seasons in recent years; comparisons in regions like the Oresund region of Sweden/Denmark to see what difference different rules have made either side of the border; and so on.

I was wondering if there is any website that has made a concerted effort to bring all the relevant information together in one place (if it is even available), and if not, if anyone might possibly be able to start one?


258105 ▶▶ user1234, replying to Hugh, 4, #127 of 1470 🔗

Hello Hugh, I’ve come across a couple of sites that do something like that, have a look:

258110 ▶▶ Danny, replying to Hugh, 3, #128 of 1470 🔗

There is a group called Covid assembly that was linked on here this week who are attempting to put that together. They have asked for contributors, everything from researchers down to proof readers. Might be worth offering your help as I have done. For now though, try the worldometer site (or something like that). Has lots of handy stats.

258283 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Danny, 1, #129 of 1470 🔗

John Hopkins University also have a lot of data heavy resources on this stuff. Check their website

258143 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Hugh, 2, #130 of 1470 🔗

This is another interesting place to check out: https://www.pandata.org/

258453 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Hugh, 2, #131 of 1470 🔗

Ivor Cummins makes comparisons of Covid death rates, in relation to previous flu seasons, for various countries on his fat emporor website. He uses the concept of “dry tinder” from previous mild flu seasons, to explain differences in Covid death rates between Sweden and other Scandinavian countries for example.

258063 rational actor, replying to rational actor, 23, #132 of 1470 🔗

I need to have my story absolutely straight, so help me understand how a mask that does not protect me nevertheless protects other people. How is this even logically possible? The only thing I can come up with is that masks are one-way permeable: they stop/filter most or all of what I breathe out but do not filter anything I breathe in. Do such masks exist? Has anyone seen a persuasive explanation of this phenomenon, or is it just one of those officious pronouncements we are all supposed to take on trust?

258064 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to rational actor, 28, #133 of 1470 🔗

The masks have magical and mystical properties. Including signifying that their wearers will be taking the vaccine and therefore terminating their bloodlines. Good.

258068 ▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to Richard O, 15, #134 of 1470 🔗

This is exactly the kind of thing I am trying to establish: that this is nothing more than the magical thinking of pseuds anxious to exert public influence. But seriously, I am looking for any explanation at all of how this supposedly works. Does anyone have any references for this phenomenon at all, either ‘scientific’ (ha) or just an article purporting to describe the mechanism by which masks work one way but not the other? I am getting into a mask fight and need to be prepared, but I also think this bullshit needs to be closely examined in the light because so many people seem to be suckered by it.

258070 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to rational actor, 54, #135 of 1470 🔗

There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that masks reduce the transmission of respiratory viruses. Period.

For me the mask has three main purposes: 1) A compliance test; 2) A psychological transformation ritual; 3) A guarantor of oral and respiratory illness.

The psychopaths who have come up with these vicious mandates harbour a visceral hatred of humanity. So much so that they cannot stand the sight of our faces, especially when we express happiness and joy. It is a diabolical, yet completely brilliant, attack on everything it means to be human. Our enemy knows us better than we know ourselves.

258134 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Richard O, 12, #136 of 1470 🔗

the mask has three main purposes: 1) A compliance test; 2) A psychological transformation ritual; 3) A guarantor of oral and respiratory illness.

Spot on Richard.

258146 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, 14, #137 of 1470 🔗

Well said. If this virus has become a new religion then the mask signifies your adherence to that faith. It’s nothing to do with common sense or logic but blind faith.

258152 ▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Richard O, 9, #138 of 1470 🔗

Well said, but they certainly don’t know me very well because I’m resisting that hatred with all my might.

258330 ▶▶▶▶▶ judymilne, replying to Richard O, 4, #139 of 1470 🔗

Judging by the proliferation of shops selling beautifully designed muzzles, I think they’ve also become a must have fashion accessory.

258281 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rational actor, 6, #140 of 1470 🔗

It’s all based on two studies. One is the masks and hamsters study.


And another which I can’t be bothered looking for whch used a high resolution slow mo camera to capture the view of droplets exhaled during coughing with or without a masks. Powerful visually but of course proves absolutely nothing when it comes to infection prevention. It just plays on the common sense fallacy that viruses are transmitted in such obvious ways. The truth is we don’t really know very well hence the poor effect of NPIs in general.

258346 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to rational actor, 3, #141 of 1470 🔗

I think they base it on a study using hamster,s from Hong Kong, I think and the fact the clients of a mask wearing hairdresser in the USA didn’t catch it. I’ve since been looking if any statistics exist for clients of infected hairdressers who weren’t wearing masks.

258787 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #142 of 1470 🔗

Just thought of an alternative ‘Last Supper’ with Jesus and all his disciples
wearing masks. Except Judas. Or would the opposite be better? Nobody but Judas wearing a mask?

258082 ▶▶ annie, replying to rational actor, 23, #143 of 1470 🔗

Nappies trap those pesky virus-laden droplets you keep expelling, so that your mouth and nose can wallow in them. Other people, likewise, wallow in their own virus-laden droplets. So you are protected from one another.

When the droplets dry, of course, the virus whangs its way through the nappy and another person gets your virus and you get theirs. Thus you are all given a double chance of getting a dose of virus.

258181 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to annie, 11, #144 of 1470 🔗

We need to exchange small numbers of viruses with each other so that our immune systems can be primed ready for all the infections that are present in the population.

258083 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to rational actor, 30, #145 of 1470 🔗

In lieu of a mask you can carry a rabbits foot or some other lucky charm like a rosary or a St Christopher. It has the same effect as a mask.

258091 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Smith, 21, #146 of 1470 🔗

Wear a face nappy to protect rabbits.They need their feet.

258093 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #147 of 1470 🔗

A St. Christopher is not going to harm your bronchial tract but might get you done for ‘hate speech’.

258129 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Jonathan Smith, 16, #148 of 1470 🔗

My ancestors wore garlic round their necks to eep them safe from plague. It worked as I am here.

258208 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to l835, 8, #149 of 1470 🔗

When I was in junior school in the 60s a friend of mine used to come to school with half an onion in her pocket to ward off colds, flu etc

258244 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to rose, 3, #150 of 1470 🔗

Did she have many friends?

258647 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to CGL, 3, #151 of 1470 🔗

Only me!!

258998 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to rose, 1, #152 of 1470 🔗

I know a lot of people that swear by onions for colds/viruses..onion sliced on feet, onion chopped on chest, onion beside bed etc

258211 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to l835, 3, #153 of 1470 🔗

I liberally spread garlic mayo on my face and on any surfaces upon which fomites may settle. I’m still alive and well.

258790 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to l835, #154 of 1470 🔗

And vampires.

258182 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #155 of 1470 🔗

Or ‘a pocket full of posies’. Mediaeval superstition.

259008 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #156 of 1470 🔗

The posies were made of medicinal herbs. Not as naive as they sound.
Unfortunately, as we now know, the plague was spread by fleas, not by an airborn pathogen.

259007 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Smith, #157 of 1470 🔗

More hygienic too!

258092 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rational actor, 8, #158 of 1470 🔗

You can vape through a cloth mask and expel cigarette smoke, says it all.

258139 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 3, #159 of 1470 🔗

Just tried it with a cigarette – same thing – it was a cloth mash so will get a paper one one and try that as well.

258249 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 4, #160 of 1470 🔗
258255 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CGL, 2, #161 of 1470 🔗

Thank you

258458 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to CGL, 3, #162 of 1470 🔗

any feedback on that clip from mask supporters that it has been sent to?
Ive said to a few people about this, that wear glasses and get steamed up….it still doesnt “click”.

259282 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Templeton, #163 of 1470 🔗

I have posted about every other topic but not masks – it seems to be the thing everyone gets most angry about. As you say – they should be able to suss it out the same way we have really. I’d love to hear what effect others have made though

258104 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to rational actor, 23, #164 of 1470 🔗

Masks that most are wearing do nothing at all other than reduce oxygen and increase carbon dioxide for the wearer. There are also studies somewhere to show that they actually increase your chances of respiratory infections. I cannot believe how stupid the vast majority are being.

258156 ▶▶ Ben, replying to rational actor, 23, #165 of 1470 🔗

The masks don’t work so the Gov’t has resorted to guilt tripping. Ultimately, other people’s health is not your responsibility

They will try this nonsense with the vaccines. They’ll say it’s not to protect you – it’s to protect others

But if the vaccine protects the recipient, then that should be enough

If other people’s health is our responsibility then we should be taking cigarettes and junk food out of the mouths of strangers and shaming them to exercise and eat healthily

259526 ▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Ben, #166 of 1470 🔗

Had that on an FB group saying that if I don’t get the needle I am “Selfish”.

258162 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to rational actor, 14, #167 of 1470 🔗

I keep asking this question and get very few replies and the ones that attempt to explain it are completely nonsensical. The only logical partial explanation I can think of is that if someone coughs or sneezes without covering their mouth, then their mask would catch the droplets. Yuk! I prefer to cover my mouth with a tissue (or elbow) thank you. Of course, there is no logical response to the question. The question should be “why would the lie that masks protect the wearer but do protect others be perpetuated by governments and the MSM?” The reason is the same reason that the myth that “no immunity to the virus exists even if you have had it.” Of course, it is to ensure mass compliance to masks, other restrictions and vaccines with NO EXCEPTIONS.

258284 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to rational actor, 8, #168 of 1470 🔗

I can’t wait for those clean crisp cold frosty Scottish mornings when we can see our breath. Mornings like that make me glad to be alive.

What will the masked gimps think when they can still see their breath escaping from their covered up mouth…will the penny drop I wonder.

259010 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 5, #169 of 1470 🔗

Nah, they’re too thick.They’ll assume the virus has been magically trapped by the muzzle.

258294 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to rational actor, 14, #170 of 1470 🔗

Follow the money, huge contracts have been awarded to supply PPE so the fat greedy maggots in power are making millions ££££ why let a good thing go to waste, fuck our health let’s make some money so I can finally put a new roof on the family estate and build a new summer house.

Even the packet say not to be used for PPE!!! And if there really was a human killing deadly virus on the loose the army would be on the streets giving out free PPE to save us we wouldn’t have to buy them from the supermarket or Poundland.

Bloody hell the masks have a better profit margin than heroin or cocaine. It’s the Pablo Escobar model.

258477 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to stefarm, 5, #171 of 1470 🔗

This whole farrago has SFA to do with health, but a lot to do with wealth.. theirs !

258403 ▶▶ Simon, replying to rational actor, 7, #172 of 1470 🔗

The name PPE is a givaway. Personal protective equipment.

The mask nonsense is like saying; I wear steel toe capped boots to protect your feet…..

258476 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to rational actor, 6, #173 of 1470 🔗

Do you know, I think insofar as it is productive to view the phenomenon of mask mandates as a purposeful component in public health policy rather than as a proto-facist measure deriving from hysteria, groupthink and compliance, it is actually this simple: it seeks to ensure that everyone uses a tissue when sneezing, by fixing the tissue in front of the face. The mask is a precautionary Kleenex. It would be quite reasonable to describe sneezing into a tissue as an act based on courtesy towards other people.
It is indeed very similar to the function of nappies: babies can’t control their bowels, so the lavatory (in the form of the nappy) has to be fixed in place all the time. The nappy is a precautionary loo. Probably babies don’t gain much, at least at first, from being nappied; the benefit is all for the people around them.
I won’t waste anyone’s time by pointing out the manifest errors – social, psychological, ethical, political, legal – involved in a society forcing its citizens to reconceive of themselves, and each other, as infantile leaking containers of waste.

258853 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Alethea, 4, #174 of 1470 🔗

Masks contain viruses in the same way that multiple layers of clothing contain fart smells.

259430 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nessimmersion, #175 of 1470 🔗

It’s more a wet fart argument I’m afraid.

259423 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to rational actor, 1, #176 of 1470 🔗

The alleged efficacy of masks is based on droplet theory ie if you haven’t got a mask on you could be spreading the disease via coughs and sneezes.

I doubt this could have anything but minimal impact. The government were telling us all to stay at home if we had symptoms in the first lockdown. Most people are either too embarassed or too socially responsible to circulate in public in such circumstances, I don’t recall encountering a single cougher or sneezer when out and and about in shops for several weeks during the first lockdown. Add to that the undoubted heightened risk of touch transmission from mask fiddling and I really can’t see masks having the claimed effects. Indeed all studies up until the WHO switcheroo have shown only v weak or zero evidence for masks preventing viral infection spread.

258074 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #177 of 1470 🔗

I’m back and, as far as Test & Trace are concerned, I’m still not believing their numbers, as in “ Look at those ‘positive’ percentages in Pillar 2! I don’t bloody believe it!

Image below shows my tidied up version of Table 1 from the T&T data spreadsheet here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/936616/NHS_T_T_data_tables_w24.ods

Full details of their ‘findings’ can be found on this page: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-statistics-5-november-to-11-november/weekly-statistics-for-nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-5-november-to-11-november

Between 5 November and 11 November, 1,742,654 people were tested for coronavirus (COVID-19) at least once in the reporting week, an increase of 12% on the previous week. Since Test and Trace launched 11,580,277 people have been tested at least once.

1.7 million? Pull the other one!

Between 5 November and 11 November, 167,369 people tested positive in the latest reporting week. This is 9.6% of people tested during this week.

9.6%! Jesus!

Notice that they don’t breakdown the numbers for the separate ‘Pillars’ on this page; you need to go to the data tables to see that.

Pillar 1: 419,903 people, 5.5% positive
Pillar 2: 1,322,751 people, 10.9% positive

Definitions, in case of doubt: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-methodology/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-methodology

pillar 1: swab testing for the virus in labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers (i.e. NHS Labs )

pillar 2: swab testing for the virus in the wider population, through commercial partnerships, either processed in a lab or more rapidly via tests ( i.e. Mickey Mouse More Positives Means More Moolah Labs )

I don’t believe a word!

258096 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 8, #178 of 1470 🔗

Jeremy Vine show yesterday: The Expert boasted that ‘we are now doing half a million tests daily and by March it will be a million every day’.
Mind you he also claimed that the tests were being carried out with greatest clinical rigour so had clearly not seen Despatches the previous evening.

Another expert declared that Track’n’Trace was designed not to work while a Track’n’Trace operative said the whole thing should be repurposed to target vulnerable contacts only and leave the rest of us alone.

258273 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 1, #179 of 1470 🔗
258078 John Stone, 3, #180 of 1470 🔗

I think Toby ought to focus on the fact that government does want to stop talk about the Covid vaccines and ask why, rather than assume the policy is just mistaken. He is also wrong that there is a mysterious British vaccine court that paid out substantial damages over Pandemrix and narcolepsy. The injured can whistle.

258079 Cecil B, 8, #181 of 1470 🔗

It would appear that PP is using the domestic abusers defence ‘ Yes I did it and I’m very sorry, but you didn’t support me or point out to me that I was abusing you. Therefore it is your fault’

A dictatorship that says it ok to break the law as long as it’s only in a limited way

Executing only the dissidents whilst sparing the others is acting in a limited way

The person in charge of the internal security forces of the country is now primed and ready to act in any way the dictator demands

258080 annie, replying to annie, 4, #182 of 1470 🔗

I like the Devil’s Dictiinary. But if you want to indicate a cross-reference, the abbreviation to use is ‘cf.’, not ‘qv’, which stands for quod vide, ‘which see’.’.

258184 ▶▶ Graham, replying to annie, 6, #183 of 1470 🔗

Not sure I agree. I think q.v. is fine for a cross-reference; cf. stands for ‘confer’, Latin for ‘compare’, which is also fine but has a different nuance. For a fine musty academic flavour perhaps we should also have bibliographic references with ‘op. cit.’, ‘ibid.’ and so on. I am spending lockdown on honing and sharpening my pedantry.

258562 ▶▶▶ Not to out-pedant, but . . ., replying to Graham, 1, #184 of 1470 🔗

‘q.v.’ is used after a word to mean “look up the entry for the word I just used.” (See all the examples in the OED.) ‘cf.’ is “see, by way of comparison” or “compare.” If you just mean “see” or “see also,” you’re stuck with English.

258085 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 46, #185 of 1470 🔗

People should not make the mistake of assuming things will go back to normal once the vaccines have been widely deployed.

If the government had wanted to restore normality, this could have been done by the early summer at the latest. Instead it has done everything possible to prolong the emergency, with masks, quarantine, testing and now more lockdown – all of them totally pointless in their own terms.

What is happening now is all about UN ‘sustainability’ goals,the WEF ‘Great Reset’ and establishing an inescapable electronic control grid based around health surveillance. Notice how former freedoms like celebrating Christmas with whom we want are now becoming privileges – that is the shape of things to come.

All this needs to be decisively rejected.

258103 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to PaulH, 18, #186 of 1470 🔗

It’ll be all over long before we get to the vaccine roll out stage. Mark my words.

They’re finished and all their many crimes against humanity are about to be exposed.

258137 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John Smith, 14, #187 of 1470 🔗

I like your confidence! What do you know that we don’t?

258253 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #188 of 1470 🔗

I do think this ends with Hancock in jail. Otherwise we won’t be living in a world I recognise as real

258291 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #189 of 1470 🔗

I understand (my terminology may be incorrect) that Michael O’Bernicia has a warrant out for Hancock’s arrest and it is before a judge now. Unfortunately, the judge presided at the kangaroo trial of Julian Assange.

258349 ▶▶▶ judymilne, replying to John Smith, 2, #190 of 1470 🔗

I hope you’re right 🙏

258667 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John Smith, 5, #191 of 1470 🔗

I can’t see it.We now live in a world where the it’s reported that the Prime Minister is mulling over how much time we can spend with our families at Christmas and no one stops and questions it.

258796 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #192 of 1470 🔗

We should start mulling over how much longer he should stay at #10 Downing Street.

258614 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, -2, #193 of 1470 🔗

Still can’t be bothered to get yourself an ID that isn’t already in regular use, I see. (Assuming you are the new Mark who started posting occasionally a month or so ago. If not, mistaken identity.)

What’s the difficulty? Too lazy? Too stupid? Just too inconsiderate about the inevitable confusion likely to arise?

258086 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 57, #194 of 1470 🔗

New figures came out in France yesterday. There have been 35,335 excess deaths this year (compared to the average for 2018 and 2019) from 1/3 to 2/11, compared to 36,102 COVID deaths.

Since 1/6, there have been 10,775 excess deaths compared to 7,523 deaths after a positive test within 28 days. But the trend has been that the excess deaths have been increasing by about 2 per day since 1st June. The recent spate of COVID deaths is noticeable but there are other spikes such as mid August where it peaked at over 250 per day.

The worrying trend is that there are more excess deaths not from COVID (probably around 8-9,000) in this period compared to maybe 2-3,000 from COVID. Presumably from the governments’ fear campaigns stopping people going to hospital.

Looking at the UK, we see a similar pattern, and it looks quite possible that we have lost nearly as many lives to the reaction to COVID than from COVID itself over the whole year – this will of course only get worse.

Take another indicator, heart disease deaths were up by around 4,000 and ” Malignant neoplasm of colon sigmoid rectum and anus” by also around 4,000 between January and July, to name just two categories. That’s effectively over 4.5 months as people would only have avoided hospitals since mid March. Other categories increased that to around 10,000 excess deaths, or 27,000 per year, and probably getting worse.

There is very little doubt that more people will die from the actions of Boris and his team than from COVID, and they’ll be younger.

We have thrown away the lives and freedoms of our young (and all) people, and destroyed hundreds of millions in the LEDCs, for the sake of a relatively small number of (mainly) very old people.

This is sick – anyone who supports the lockdown and the hysterical reaction to this virus has blood on their hands.

This lockdown has to stop as soon as possible.

258248 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Laurence, 7, #195 of 1470 🔗

It’s in plain sight but never reported. Here is the Public Health Agency for Northern Ireland and their CV Bulletin. If you look at it there is a slightly above 5 year average level of deaths for most months. But look at June to September. A huge amount are non covid and continue to weigh heavily on the overall number of deaths.


258361 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Laurence, 13, #196 of 1470 🔗

We have thrown away the lives and freedoms of our young (and all) people, and destroyed hundreds of millions in the LEDCs, for the sake of a relatively small number of (mainly) very old people.”

The idea we did this to save old vulnerable people is itself a lie – in fact they were the first under the bus.

This was done to destroy our prosperity and enslave us. No one is being saved here.

258417 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Saved To Death, 8, #197 of 1470 🔗

The young are being asked to cancel living their lives to protect those who’ve already lived their lives

258451 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ben, 14, #198 of 1470 🔗

The young are being lied to and if they cancel living their lives it will not protect those that have already lived their lives. Those who have already lived most their lives are being cancelled too and they are being killed through negligent care and medical treatment which anybody currently obeying this government is facilitating.

None of this was done for the sake of any people. If we accept this interpretation of our governments actions we are only helping to spread their propaganda.

There was never any good evidence to support the claims that these actions would save any lives.

258798 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Laurence, 1, #200 of 1470 🔗

Stop it then.

259115 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Laurence, 5, #201 of 1470 🔗

I would agree the lockdowns have cost the lives of many who were not old, but this sacrifice was not made to save the lives of old people. All deaths welcome news to Boris and his gang of thugs. The old were were thrown out of hospital and placed into under resourced care/nursing homes and were then left without proper medical care for weeks on end. Those unlucky oldies who found themselves in hospital during the lockdown could also expect little or no treatment and were subject to arbitrary DNR notices. In general old people were treated appallingly and they will be again, if the criminal UK government thinks it can get away with it.

258088 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 44, #202 of 1470 🔗

The lockdown is so effective that infection rates went down even before it started. The virus must be running scared !

How does anyone still believe in this nonsense – even Lewis Carrol couldn’t have dreamt it up.

258089 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Laurence, 18, #203 of 1470 🔗

Of course it is all total nonsense. But it has been good enough to keep the majority of people terrified of dying since March – and obedient to the regime.

258613 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, -1, #204 of 1470 🔗

Still can’t be bothered to get yourself an ID that isn’t already in regular use, I see. (Assuming you are the new Mark who started posting occasionally a month or so ago. If not, mistaken identity.)

What’s the difficulty? Too lazy? Too stupid? Just too inconsiderate about the inevitable confusion likely to arise?

258106 ▶▶ Will, replying to Laurence, 4, #205 of 1470 🔗

Well, Laurence, given the same thing happened in March, there is now clear evidence that the virus knows what is coming and acts accordingly….

258258 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Laurence, 1, #206 of 1470 🔗

Maybe they’re all on whatever he was – and more of it

258090 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #207 of 1470 🔗

Personally speaking Friday is a better day than Sunday for pots and pans. I was going to say because of church, but seeing as how so many Christians have gone along with the restrictions, that maybe a trifle academic.

258095 ▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 15, #208 of 1470 🔗

I would be delighted to bang pots and pans outside my former church on Sundays. It might frighten away the Covid devil that the muzzled morons are worshipping inside.

258124 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #209 of 1470 🔗

How about every day? Like the maroons beating the drums in the forests of Haiti, terrifying the French plantation owners for months before coming for them.

258368 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #210 of 1470 🔗

Friday is the Muslim holy day but I’m sure they would join in given how they and their family-based lifestyle and religious festivals have been destroyed by the Covid response.

258098 annie, replying to annie, 15, #211 of 1470 🔗

From the LifeLine article:

The law banning public Mass appears to be in direct violation of Article 44 of the Irish Constitution, which states “The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion. Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.”

A priest has been threatened with six months’ imprisonment for allowing people to attend Mass. Plainly a colossal threat to public order and morality.

What price a written Constitution?

258374 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to annie, #212 of 1470 🔗

They will say that the public health crisis is covered under “public order and morality”, justifying the restrictions.

258099 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 26, #213 of 1470 🔗


Small sticker for lampposts &c?

258190 ▶▶ Graham, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #214 of 1470 🔗

It’s great but I’m sorry to say that most people won’t understand it. Needs expanding. How about ‘Vaccines sometimes have side effects. Your immune system never has side effects.’

258365 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Graham, #215 of 1470 🔗

Too wordy. This sticker needs pictures to mean anything to zombies

258214 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to PastImperfect, #216 of 1470 🔗

Not strictly true, an overactive immune system can precipitate sepsis.

258345 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to p02099003, #217 of 1470 🔗

Is the incidence of sepsis from over active immune system very common in the population at large?

259054 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #218 of 1470 🔗

And seizures.

259252 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, #219 of 1470 🔗

So go for the hardly tested and free of all liability, DNA altering vaccine.

258464 ▶▶ Sue, replying to PastImperfect, #220 of 1470 🔗

and is free! doesn’t boost the coffers of pharma companies!

258100 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 52, #221 of 1470 🔗

Any illusion that Britain is a country of independent minded, freedom loving and feisty individualists has been completely blown out of the water over the last few months.

The country that produced The Monster Raving Loony Party, The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, The Life of Brian and Haggis clearly no longer exists; Boaty McBoatface merely a recent aberration that proves the rule. We are all British Leyland Austin Allegros now, with mandatory square steering wheels…….

Why? Poor state education, based on PISA scores, teaching to exam grades, not for breadth of knowledge, a questioning mind, the search for some objective truth, must have played some part. But the National Health Service must also take its share of the blame for Britain’s cultural shift. The NHS pill for everything, doctors prescription culture has bred a slavish adherence to ‘nurse knows best’. Blood pressure higher than newly reduced thresholds? There’s a pill for that: statins. Feeling a bit woolly headed (can be caused by statins): early onset dementia. There’s a pill for that, and so on…….

As the veil of statistical tomfoolery is gradually lifted, nothing could be clearer, shouting from the rooftops, than the need for root and branch reform of the way this country provides healthcare for its citizens……

258102 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #222 of 1470 🔗

Rockefeller (big pharma) funding medical schools all over the world.

258127 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #223 of 1470 🔗

Agree. Mega foundations have played their part in this madness:

Once upon a time, the mega-foundations established a goal and sought experts to do independent research on how to achieve it. Today many donors and program officers have preconceived notions about social problems and solutions. They fund researchers who are likely to design studies that will support their ideas. Instead of reviewing proposals from outside the foundation, they hire existing nonprofits or set up new ones to implement projects they’ve designed themselves. The mode of operation is top-down; grantees serve their funders.’

Meanwhile, the public needs more critical, in-depth information. The mainstream media are, for the most part, failing miserably in their watchdog duties. They give big philanthropy excessive deference and little scrutiny. Public television and radio live on big philanthropy’s largess. Collaborative programming with mega-foundations has undermined the credibility of major for-profit news organizations as well as public media, especially on health and education issues.’

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/plutocrats-at-work-how-big-philanthropy-undermines-democracy (2013)

But we let them……..

258545 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #224 of 1470 🔗

Unfortunately most people are now unaware of who the Rockefeller family are, how they make their fortune and why they developed an interest in medicine. There is some good information out there such as this – Rockefeller Medicine (video) https://youtu.be/X6J_7PvWoMw

258804 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #225 of 1470 🔗

R Wood Johnson, Michael Bloomberg, most likely the IMF, the World Bank, George Soros, the European Parliament, the British Government (PHE),
plus you, the taxpayers, are funding medical schools all over the world.

259067 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #226 of 1470 🔗

For over a century!

258136 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #227 of 1470 🔗

I’ll have to do this in two replies; bear with me. An illustration of what has gone wrong. First, a photograph taken in the 1850s (coloured by the artist Marina Amaral) of 72 Highlanders in the Crimean War.

258140 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #228 of 1470 🔗

Second, a screenshot about Scottish soldiers in 2020.

258176 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #229 of 1470 🔗

The chances of COVID-19 harm coming to these young, fit, soldiers must be very great – what puts them at so much risk? Apart from the wars and stuff? Wouldn’t it just be typical if some poor soldier lost his/her life in combat, spluttered at the end…and was registered as a CV death? No offence intended, genuinely; just pointing out the absurdity.

258242 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #230 of 1470 🔗

There was an item somewhere about soldiers not being trained in rifle shooting properly because gunnery sergeants can’t put their arms around then to correct their stance.

258256 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 3, #231 of 1470 🔗

No worries, the new Space Command will correct the paths of the bullets using 5G.

258362 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #232 of 1470 🔗

That will be a tactical kevlar face nappy.

258192 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #233 of 1470 🔗

And the belief in the ‘gender’ nonsense is all part of the same thing. Poorly educated young people told that mammals can change sex, that a desire to wear particular clothes and lipstick is somehow inherent in one mammalian species, and that banning men from female lavatories is ‘hate crime’; all acting as the useful idiots of pharmaceutical companies and the homophobic Christian Right in America, which would rather have a mutilated pseudo-daughter than a gay son.

258207 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Caroline Watson, -3, #234 of 1470 🔗


258773 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #235 of 1470 🔗

But there are people who for one reason or another have to present as other than their biological sex. There aren’t very many of them, they almost all don’t want to draw attention to themselves, and they do not deserve to be lumped in with the lunatic extremists of the ‘trans lobby’.

259069 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #236 of 1470 🔗

Nobody has to ‘present as’ the stereotyped behavioural norms that society apparently attributes to their biological sex. It doesn’t mean that they have to pretend to be the other one or that anyone will be taken in when they do.
Rejecting stereotypes is free. That’s why it is discouraged.

258373 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #237 of 1470 🔗

True, I am amazed how it is my previously lefty, protesting ex-student rebel friends, many of whom are in the arts, who are the most slavish adherents to the new mask and isolate cult. I have been ridiculed, called a Q fan and cancelled by so many on Facebook for my views. Their loss.

259072 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #238 of 1470 🔗

But they’re doing it for ‘the vulnerable’!

258492 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #239 of 1470 🔗

Do you think there might be some element of karmic repercussion due to some of the bad shit of colonialization and empire, when Britain ‘ waived the rules’? So much good stuff from all parts of our history have been assimilated into many countries and have made the UK redundant in many ways. Ironically the one permanent strength, our culture, arts and history that bring the world here is being ruined in this madness.

258643 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to David Grimbleby, 3, #240 of 1470 🔗

In my view, we consistently underestimate the goodwill that exists towards this country all over the world because of all the good stuff.

Of course animosity also exists, but not, I think, to anything like the same degree.

Let us hope that some good will come of this madness. Maybe a younger generation will realise that the good things in life so long taken for granted can all too easily be taken away by ‘Big State’ incompetence and bureaucratic bigotry.

Another beneficial result may be much needed constitutional and institutional reform, even a renewed sense of national purpose to get out into the wider world and trade with all our many friends around the globe.

The extended reach, capability, with which our armed forces now offer our friends and allies, even once more as far afield as the Pacific Ocean, must be exploited, particularly by the trading advantage that a new Royal Yacht would bring in its wake.

Trade follows influence and influence follows from military capability…..always has, always will, the world as it is rather than, perhaps, as we would wish it to be……

258107 Albie, replying to Albie, 12, #241 of 1470 🔗

Regardless of what we think about vaccines, surely it will end lockdown, or so you’d think. I’m wondering what SAGE will think up to keep themselves relevant. They’ve loved every second of this year, the power they have had in inducing fear, the attention from the media with endless interviews. They aren’t going to give that up. Will it be another 6 month lockdown from March as “we don’t know if the vaccine will work, you see”. ?

258145 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Albie, 11, #242 of 1470 🔗

Vaccines dovetail with immunity passports and surveillance, cashless society, loss of autonomy, poverty. A dystopia gleefully described in the World Economic Forum’s websites. Vaccines will be regular and a condition for life. The start of human enslavement

258179 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Ben, 6, #243 of 1470 🔗

And feed everyone digital Soma (aka SOcial Media Addiction). “I own nothing…AND I’M HAPPY”

258266 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 12, #244 of 1470 🔗

I don’t own much, but we did do lots of holidays and other stuff – and we were happy. I don’t want to own stuff – I just want to be free to do stuff.

258413 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to CGL, 7, #245 of 1470 🔗

Yes, I agree with the implication that “ownership”doesn’t make one happy. but I’d rather accumulate enough to afford to eat, shelter, enjoy life…now and when I retire…without dependence on an elite who may decide one day I’m no longer worth financing through their ‘largesse’. Plus I’d rather possess the stuff that I’ve chosen to buy, than ‘they’ take it from me. I challenge their divine right to own me and my stuff.

258812 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #246 of 1470 🔗
258238 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Albie, 2, #247 of 1470 🔗

The Expert on Jeremy Vines show on Thursday said “things would not start to get back to normal until late next year, even with a vaccine”.
Many think JV is a plonker but he does have a large audience.

258699 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to karenovirus, 2, #248 of 1470 🔗

Someone on one of these shows I flicked over recently – oh no, she said, things won’t indeed get back to normal even March, April, because you see, we might have a small seasonal flu outbreak…& we’ll need to control the virus, perhaps we will see incidents of TB, of course, maybe we will see ‘cases’ rising in that category, & we all know what happens when cases rise…!

258240 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Albie, 5, #249 of 1470 🔗

Genuine question.

Do SAGE do anything else? Given CV-19 is such a nothing burger do they look at other issues of importance or do they just run Fergusons doom model over and over, equivalent to playing a computer game at this point

258339 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #250 of 1470 🔗

Ferguson’s Model is more like Manic Miner. Written in BBC Basic.

258685 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Albie, 4, #251 of 1470 🔗

Vaccines will lead to a new surveillance state with the introduction of a health/digital passport.On the subject of Sage,they will be relevant as long as the government need a scientific veneer to continue the oppression.It is a common misconception even on here that the government are following Sages advice rather than Sage making the science fit the Government agenda.

258808 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Albie, 1, #252 of 1470 🔗

Let’s wait ten years.

258108 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #253 of 1470 🔗

Daily Mail: Is Boris Johnson running UK by WhatsApp, prompted by Carrie Symonds?.

258148 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #254 of 1470 🔗

The pictures of Boris and Carrie look much like a Granddaughter taking Grandad out for a walk from his care home. Good to know the Country is in such safe hands.
Puts me in mind of the Eagles song ‘Lying eyes’.

258154 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #255 of 1470 🔗

PD/PNN should be shown some love. The kind dispensed my MiniLove.

258109 Danny, replying to Danny, 24, #256 of 1470 🔗

Front page of the Daily Mail today online. Reads like a page from this website. At last a direct challenge to the narrative coming from a mainstream paper.

258118 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Danny, 15, #257 of 1470 🔗

The Trouble is the Daily Mail seems to be a schizophrenic news paper sceptic one day, zealot the next.

258126 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #258 of 1470 🔗

It’s been more consistently sceptic recently, but then goes mental over things like the mink.

258168 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #259 of 1470 🔗

they had an interview with Neil Ferguson yesterday-highly entertaining, making assertions he can’t back up. Then that’s published alongside a sceptical article. Slowly people will compare and contrast and realise that Ferguson is washed up. Can’t they give him an OBE?

258367 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #260 of 1470 🔗

Exactly! Go further down the web site and there’s an article declaring 70,000 Covid deaths in the UK. Schizoid or what.

Just so long as the true sceptic headlines are given the prominence that they deserve, we can only hope.

258114 Ben, replying to Ben, 62, #261 of 1470 🔗

On waking this morning I remembered chatting with a frail elderly pensioner a few weeks ago who was queuing outside a chemist to collect a prescription. He was forced to stand in the rain because of lockdown rules (customer limits) and was struggling to breathe through a face mask

The exchange broke my heart. I could see depression and loneliness in his eyes. He lived alone since the death of his wife and didn’t see a soul. Life was already a struggle and the things that made life worth living had been arbitrarily banned by politicians – no visitors allowed in his home. No friends. No family. No human contact

And that’s what makes me angry and sad. The benign rules designed to protect health which are in fact the essence of cruelty designed to break the human soul

258159 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Ben, 27, #262 of 1470 🔗

Yes, I see old people like that all the time. I even wrote to my MP describing one example. Heartbreaking, and the perpetrators of this crime couldn’t care less. More disturbingly, the great majority of everyone else don’t seem to care either – lobotomised zombies in their own little emotional and cerebral closets.

And even fewer people seem to care about the consequences of this shit-show for the Developing World.

What an evil thing moral rectitude is.

258174 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 17, #263 of 1470 🔗

Where I work, during my walks and trips to the supermarket, I always feel sorry for elderly people clearly struggling with being muzzled but many of them are clearly afraid of challenging the prevailing orthodoxy. I remember urging a visitor to claim exemption after he admitted to me that he had trouble breathing and was constantly light headed but he said he won’t as he’s afraid of infecting other people.

Jesus wept.

258973 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #264 of 1470 🔗

Hopeless cases, you can only pray for them.

258274 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 19, #265 of 1470 🔗

These are the things that make all of us here weep – the small children in masks and the old people struggling along the road with their shopping trolleys etc, not able to breathe freely and hygienically. They can’t possibly understand how their government has deceived them – they have lived through times when the powers in charge were actually on their side – it is inconceivable to them that this could not be the case.

258285 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CGL, 9, #266 of 1470 🔗

You describe it perfectly. It is evil. And the media is complicit

258440 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to CGL, 11, #267 of 1470 🔗

It’s heartbreaking, and not getting any easier to tolerate this evil.

258347 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ben, 16, #268 of 1470 🔗

They are not benign rules design to protect health. They are evil rules designed to terrorise the population into compliance with the states every dictate however harmful and absurd that may be.

258450 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Saved To Death, 19, #269 of 1470 🔗

Instead of promoting exercise, getting outside, breathing unhindered fresh air, eating a healthy diet, obtaining vitamin D, maintaining and creating nurturing social networks, receiving medical treatment, enjoying education and employment goals, the Government is forcing contrary measures

And it’s happening worldwide. So I’m forced to question if governments do indeed want us dead
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259089 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 4, #270 of 1470 🔗

Governments want what Bill Gates has bribed them to want and Bill really does want us dead. He has the technology and all we have to do is roll up our sleeves.

258867 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #271 of 1470 🔗

Yes. The Gov’t and the MSM presents them as benign, but they are far from it

258502 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ben, 6, #272 of 1470 🔗

The bastards doing this should be publicly shamed. But like that California governor they slime out of it …

258116 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #273 of 1470 🔗

Fairly soon Parliament will consider the replacement to the current English 4 week lock-down, most of these lock-down rules are imposed by statutory instruments (SIs) made under the Public Health Act 1984. At the start of these SIs there is a stated premise for making the rules, for example the Face-mask one states;

The Secretary of State makes the following Regulations in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 45C(1), (3)(c), (4)(b), (4)(d), 45F(2) and 45P of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984(a). These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARSCoV-2) in England. The Secretary of State considers that the restrictions and requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to that threat.

So each MP must ask themselves;

  1. Is the Public Health act an appropriate Act under which to pass these SIs (in my view it is not)
  2. Is there a serious and imminent threat to Public Health sufficient to justify the passing of an SI, given that Public Health actions by SIs is unprecedented in the history of Public Health in the UK.
  3. Are the proposed measures proportionate to what they seek to achieve?

I think we need to do all we can to remind all MPs that it is their duty to read the opening premises to these SIs and only vote for them is they can, in all honesty, answer yes to each of these 3 points.

258175 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #274 of 1470 🔗

Have you had anything at all out of Cox recently? I haven’t.

It’s as if none of this is any of his concern, still less that we his constituents are entitled to know anything of his views.

I’m thinking of lodging a formal complaint with the constituency Conservative Association. I’ve already written to them once, and had no reply.

258180 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TJN, 4, #275 of 1470 🔗

No, I get an automatic reply saying he is so busy he cannot read anything for about 3 weeks and then I hear no more. I have been firing off emails and tweets to other MPs on the basis that if you throw enough mud at a blanket eventually some if it will stick!

258117 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #276 of 1470 🔗

South Australian strain C-19.The only link is this so far. In usual tabloid style speaking of the deadly virus, but the last quotation below says it all. But if it is spreading faster it will have advantages over other strains around and will potentially cause enormous difficulties for any vaccine.

“A strain of C-19 behind an outbreak inSouth Australia may be spreading up to five times quicker than normal, officials fear.
Professor Nicola Spurrier, chief health officer for South Australia, claimed people are becoming contagious within 24 hours of catching the virus.
In theory, this could make the virus spread five times faster than usual, considering research has shown people typically are their most infectious around five days after exposure.
Professor Spurrier added: ‘The other characteristic of the cases we have seen so far is they have had minimal symptoms and sometimes no symptoms but have been able to pass it to other people

258119 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 5, #277 of 1470 🔗

In which case we should end restrictions, focus on boosting the immune system and live life. Life is meant to be lived

258166 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 7, #278 of 1470 🔗

What a terrifying new strain this one is! It makes you even less ill than the last one..

258448 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #279 of 1470 🔗

PoshPanic, you’re sounding a little like a denier….next you’ll be denying the existence of llamacorns. We all know they exist. Be kind, save lives, stay safe.

258226 ▶▶ Carausius, replying to swedenborg, 2, #280 of 1470 🔗

If you look at the Mail story it’s dated 18 November, revised 19 November. The revelation that this assumption it was a super virulent strain was debunked in the BBC story dated 20 November cited in the post above ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55011790 ). The Mail story seems to be completely unaware of the pizza worker catalyst so it rather looks as if they weren’t keeping up with current events when they posted that story. The lockdown is to end three days early as a result of the revelation though officials in SA are of course trying to save face by insisting they did the right thing with their instant lockdown, while conceding that it’s up to the public if they want to see it as a ‘stuff-up’:

258120 alw, replying to alw, 2, #281 of 1470 🔗

Seen elsewhere. “ they are grooming you for a vaccination.” Never a truer phrase…

258135 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, 7, #282 of 1470 🔗

Not just vaccination, but compliance to technology. We are to be branded by tech. Immunity passports, QR codes will be used to control our lives. No freedom or anonymity

258161 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Ben, 3, #283 of 1470 🔗

I got sent a QR code to use along with a reminder to have a flu vaccine yesterday. I was asked to use it as it will save millions of trees and the millions the NHS currently has to spend on postage. I had no idea the NHS was worried about the cost of mail right now…

258167 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Ben, 2, #284 of 1470 🔗

Agreed, that conclusion is inescapable. Klaus Scwab’s also a big fan of nano-tech, isn’t he? Let’s shove some Luciferase into the vaccine, whilst we are at it. I know that Luciferase’s etymology links to Luciferin….interesting to deploy the name of the Lord of Darkness.

258454 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #285 of 1470 🔗


258189 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Ben, 3, #286 of 1470 🔗

compliance to technology

digital Soma (aka SOcial Media Addiction) is important in the mix. Getting the masses hooked psychologically; control the information conduit; destroy empathic traits and engender narcissistic ones; then, keep increasing the dependence. It’s been happening a long while now, and some digital Soma founders have recanted…and the guilt haunts them.

258231 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ben, 1, #287 of 1470 🔗

The time to say “no” starts now.

258494 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to alw, #288 of 1470 🔗

I can’t be groomed. I have a nasty bite.

258131 alw, replying to alw, 5, #289 of 1470 🔗

Have just posted Carl Heneghen’s Speccie article on my Facebook timeline. Waiting to see what happens. Normally only use for Scrabble.

258141 ▶▶ TJN, replying to alw, #290 of 1470 🔗

Nice one!

258150 ▶▶ Will, replying to alw, #291 of 1470 🔗

Being censored.

258201 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Will, 1, #292 of 1470 🔗

It’s still there.

258138 TJN, replying to TJN, 44, #293 of 1470 🔗

I’m not generally given to despair, and refuse to be pushed there even now. But it is clear today, in late November, that this site is far more necessary now than when it started back in mid-April, and that in the seven months since then it has never been more necessary than now. How bone-chilling is that?

Despite the overwhelming weight of logical argument and proper science, we still appear to be on the back foot. And we now know that the deceit of our opponents knows no bounds. As well as being cynically dishonest, they are blatantly and shamelessly corrupt, and have found to their glee that in the court of public opinion none of this seems to matter. Thus they are emboldened to their next steps, their next grab of power and control.

It’s as if we, the sceptics, have lost every material battle so far, and that we are moving on to what may or may not be the final one – vaccination. Are they going to try to mandate or coerce it? If they do, that confrontation looks to be very ugly indeed – for some of us at any rate. What will all those unbelieving mask wearers, who dutifully wore their muzzles merely because they ‘didn’t want to cause trouble’, do then? Will they stand up and be counted? I wouldn’t bet on it.

As far as I am concerned, if they attempt to coerce a vaccine, then a major part of the implicit bargain between me and the State will have been broken. I have never been in trouble with the law; but I would have to ask myself then whether there are some laws, which I would have previously unhesitatingly and instinctively abided by, to which I would no longer feel bound.

Desperate days.

258155 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TJN, 20, #294 of 1470 🔗

I was feeling discouraged until they imposed the current lockdown. As most here are aware, if you try to engage a zealot they will shut you down or ignore you. Happily, with this lockdown I can see ever increasing numbers of people outside are playing the zealots at their own game- refusing to engage them and just doing their thing.

258163 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #295 of 1470 🔗

Nigh on 100% muzzle compliance around me down here in Deepest Devon. Worse now that 3-4 months ago. No sign of breaking around me.

258178 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TJN, 11, #296 of 1470 🔗

There are at least 2 of us here in Dolton, Tesco in Barnstaple and Morrisons in Bideford, people with no masks. We had a meeting at Atlantic Bathrooms in Bideford, myself, my wife, 3 members of staff looking over plans tiles etc. no masks, perfectly normal. All is not yet lost.

258183 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #297 of 1470 🔗

Around here there’s me and Mrs TJN, and that appears to be about it.

258202 ▶▶▶▶ Graham, replying to TJN, 5, #298 of 1470 🔗

Just as bad in Ludlow. ‘Surely you know that there are a lot of retired people here?’.

258659 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to TJN, 1, #299 of 1470 🔗

I’m trying to get a group together in Devon. I’m near Plymouth. Whereabouts are you?

258765 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Lili, 1, #300 of 1470 🔗

Not all that far from Plymouth to the north. Is there a way of contacting me privately via this group?

258834 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ birdwatcher, replying to TJN, 1, #301 of 1470 🔗

I’m in Devon too (but unhelpfully housebound at mo) and I know theres a small group who met up through the kbf forums if thats helpful to either of you?

258975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to birdwatcher, 1, #302 of 1470 🔗

Thanks – didn’t know there was a KBF forum. We’ll take a look.

I know there’s a handful of others from Devon, and Cornwall, on this forum, but have mostly forgotten their forum names, which isn’t much help.

258173 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TJN, 8, #303 of 1470 🔗

Yes but do not give up hope yet, as I have posted below Parliament will soon have to consider and vote on the next English lock-down, I feel we need to do all we can to challenge each MP to examine their conscience and only vote for new measures if they consider the basic premise under which they are being enacted is correct. We can but hope that there is some integrity left in Parliament and some will stand firm and challenge the whole concept of Public Health by SIs.
As has been reported on this site the data does not support the phrase imminent and serious threat.

258191 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #304 of 1470 🔗

Just seen your reply to my reply to your post below.

To tell the truth, after having given him every chance to express some original views on the covid response, my patience has run out and I’m disgusted by Cox.

Do you know where he lives? Somewhere near Tavi according to wiki. Maybe we should stand outside his house and bang pots and pans.

I’m not giving up hope, and will not. I had hoped that we’d all been able to move on long before now, but we’re still here, sinking deeper into the mire. I’ll scratch, bite and gouge all the way down.

258203 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to TJN, 10, #305 of 1470 🔗

They don’t need to mandate a vaccine. They just need to make life intolerable without it – no entry to shops, buses, trains, pubs, etc. And private businesses (those that remain) will enforce it with virtue-signalling zeal, so it doesn’t even have to be the government that orders it.

258228 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #306 of 1470 🔗

Indeed, we won’t have ‘vaccine exempt’ lanyards to counter ‘no vaccine pass no entry’.

258252 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #307 of 1470 🔗

That’s what I mean when I say coerce – amounts to close to the same thing.

But presumably we’ll be able to buy dodgy vaccine certificates off ebay and the like. Capitalism to the rescue.

258275 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to TJN, 2, #308 of 1470 🔗

I think not. And even if that did happen, it would just act as an impetus for them to become even more draconian, with retina scans and the like.

258732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Barney McGrew, #309 of 1470 🔗

Long term aim is an embedded tattoo with your vaccine history on it.10 years of health coming so it could be 1 a year up the magical year of 2030

258383 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to TJN, 2, #310 of 1470 🔗

SOMA, coming…

258144 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #311 of 1470 🔗


Now they have Case F in this Nov Cluster in covid zero NZ. The above a rather long article about the latest cluster in the community. They are living in the edge of anxiety for each “case” and can’t be pleased what’s happening in South Australia(see link earlier entry) considering their Australian NZ travel corridor,

258230 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #312 of 1470 🔗

And you still have the fringe lunatics here in Ireland calling for Zero Covid. As if they’ve finally rroved at the secret solution. It’s completely ridiculous thinking

258292 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #313 of 1470 🔗

A lot of them post on the Munster fans rugby forum, which is why I no longer do. I wish NZ no ill and hope they don’t pay a hefty price for their isolation, but to suggest the strategy of an island nation, thousands of miles from its nearest neighbours and completely self sufficient can be replicated on the Island of Ireland, or indeed the British isles, is just f’cking stupid.

258149 Will, replying to Will, 4, #314 of 1470 🔗

Carl Heneghan is still being censored by Facebook.

258199 ▶▶ alw, replying to Will, 3, #315 of 1470 🔗

I posted the article on my timeline and newsfeed and it is still there….won’t hold my breath.

258287 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to alw, 2, #316 of 1470 🔗

It must just be me.

258157 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 28, #317 of 1470 🔗

Just heard on the radio that a school in Kent had 30 positive tests amongst pupils and staff and it closed.

On the 20th September, 1957 the school I attended in Coventry, had 220 pupils absent due to flu – more than a third of the school. It did not close.

And this was a flu that badly effected children.

This was nothing to going through a war which all the staff had experienced.

They stayed calm and carried on.

258219 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #318 of 1470 🔗

We didn’t get flu in my 1960s Derbyshire infant and junior schools, we got colds,
only grown ups got flu but you had to be at deaths door to stay home.

258501 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #319 of 1470 🔗

This sending pupils home on the basis of meaningless PCR testing is happening all over the place. It’s stupid at so many levels.

258809 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, 2, #320 of 1470 🔗

Yes happening constantly in Shropshire too…these kids are never ill. But who cares lets just wreck their education anyway. Pure wickedness.

258164 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 31, #321 of 1470 🔗

We’ve been saying this for months now and the slow BBC is catching up:


Now, new research by Indian scientists suggests that low hygiene, lack of clean drinking water, and unsanitary conditions may have actually saved many lives from severe Covid-19.

In other words, they propose that people living in low and low middle-income countries may have been able to stave off severe forms of the infection because of exposure to various pathogens from childhood, which give them sturdier immunity to Covid-19.

It’s called the immune system. I come from a country in Southeast Asia that didn’t get Sars back in 2003 and the conclusion reached was similar to the study referenced above – lack of sanitary conditions, low hygiene and lack of clean drinking water especially in the slums and countryside. Not to mention heat and humidity where viruses couldn’t thrive.

258188 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #322 of 1470 🔗

Or maybe also that the Indian government has a much more strict definition of Covid and I believe only used 25 cycles on PCR. And that was on symptomatic people.

258194 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mhcp, 2, #323 of 1470 🔗

That’s likely. I do remember reading an article back as early as April where they were wondering why India’s poor people have not had the virus and speculated that they had higher immunity than those who are affluent.

258196 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to mhcp, 3, #324 of 1470 🔗

Here it is.

Some doctors send their patients’ samples to only those labs which specifically mention Ct value. “We shifted from one private lab to another with the agreement that Ct value will be mentioned. The treatment is based on it,” said Dr Jagadish Hiremath, CEO, Ace Suhas Hospital. “If the value is between 20 and 25, home isolation can be advised, but the patient must be monitored through online consultations. Hospital admission is a must in cases where the value is less than 20. This is particularly necessary for patients who are aged 50 or more and have comorbidity.”

258205 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #325 of 1470 🔗

The BBC salivated some months ago when reporting India having the third highest death count at 50,000.
They did not relate this to India’s population of some 1.3 billion.

258229 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 3, #326 of 1470 🔗

And how many times have the whipped that horse. They are doing it now with the US. People still can’t see through it.

258232 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #327 of 1470 🔗

I always though that was bollocks that they constantly left out India’s population.

258498 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #328 of 1470 🔗

It’s what alerted me to the BBC’s propaganda function right at the start : the constant quoting of big numbers without context or comparison, backed by scary individual stories.

I’d seen exactly the same confection in reporting ‘anti-semitism’ stories that weren’t what they seemed when you knew a bit of detail.

258227 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #329 of 1470 🔗

You have to say its not about a virus. Enquiry now or democracy is truly dead

258289 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #330 of 1470 🔗

Seems like the course of action taken by The Cabal in the UK is actually going to save us from Covids because pretty soon the UK will be like India.

Contaminated drinking water, sewage everywhere, little food, filthy squalid housing packed to the gunnals and no health care either.
Lets not be too hasty when it comes to being critical of The Cabal, perhaps they do know what they are doing.

258165 Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #331 of 1470 🔗

And here’s Joel Salatin again, with an excellent summary of the “Science”-based Government health interventions which have been promulgated in recent years.


258169 mattghg, #332 of 1470 🔗

Nice bit of free advertising for odysee, there.

258170 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #333 of 1470 🔗


Anyone without a family can just fuck off, as usual, then.

I hate the way the media uses words.

(This is obviously in addition to everything else about this story that enrages and exhausts me. For example, this is going to be ‘announced’ by leak, ie anonymous briefing, yet again.)

258186 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #334 of 1470 🔗

Thursday’s Jeremy Vine show had Clair telling us she wanted 14 of her children and grandchildren from 3 other households for Christmas Dinner but Sally, who will be alone with her cat because she doesn’t have a car, said that was ‘unfair’ and that Clair was being ‘selfish’.

(Sally’s real problem is not having a car.)

258195 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 9, #335 of 1470 🔗

I’d rather spend Christmas alone with a cat than with 14 understandably bored adolescents and screaming puking infants.

Actually, come to think of it, you’re never alone with a cat. I’ve been very alone at Christmas surrounded by my family when I had one.

258293 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #336 of 1470 🔗

Yip, I’d prefer the company of my cat over relatives any day! About 2 hours is the limit of my tolerance before I’m desperate to get back home on Christmas Day.

258376 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #337 of 1470 🔗

Cats are great company and don’t squabble or criticise.

258493 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #338 of 1470 🔗

… but shit all over the garden and frighten off the birds.

258841 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 1, #339 of 1470 🔗

That’s children. Cats are very particular about where they shit.

258315 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #340 of 1470 🔗

errm, that’s not freedom!

258507 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #341 of 1470 🔗

No. But it’s exactly the non-freedom they’ve been grooming everyone to believe in as freedom ever since somebody first uttered the moronic words “save Christmas”. They’re so transparent and relentless. And it doesn’t even matter that they’re idiotic and wrong. They’re in power. They ignore everyone who isn’t. And nobody fights them.

258171 mattghg, 3, #342 of 1470 🔗

If you could somehow distil “essence of establishment journalist”, you would get something scientifically indistinguishable from Oliver Kamm.

258185 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #343 of 1470 🔗

Proof of madness, part 37.
The Merry hill centre near Dudley, one of the largest shopping centres in the country is like a “ghost town” with only Boots chemists (essential items) plus a tiny handful of other “essential items” shops open, so virtually no footfall.
Headline in local rag: “Police to come down heavy on non mask wearers in Merry hill centre”: ?,?,?,?

258197 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #344 of 1470 🔗

Proof of madness part 37b (if I may)

Council put up the Happy Shopper Xmas Lights despite no open shops and no shoppers.

258209 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 5, #345 of 1470 🔗

Parts of Central London are like that. Xmas lights have been put up but shops are closed and no-one around.

258425 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #346 of 1470 🔗

Indeed, went up yesterday to Covent Garden.
The place is a ghost town. Having worked in this area for 20 years on and off, it honestly hurts me to see somewhere that used to be absolutely heaving with people, now empty and lifeless.

Hope you are fucking happy, you Westminster cretins.

258220 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 11, #347 of 1470 🔗

It’s beginning to look not much like Christmas
Everywhere you go
Even though the five and ten is glistening once again
With candy canes and silver lanes that glow
It’s beginning to look not much like Christmas
Boards on every store
And the prettiest sight to see is the holly that will be
On your welded-up front door
A pair of hopalong boots and a pistol that shoots
Is the wish of Chris and Pat
Dolls that don’t talk or go for a walk
Is the hope of Boris and Matt
And Mom and Dad can hardly wait for lockdown to start again
It’s beginning to look not much like Christmas
Everywhere you go
There’s a tree in the Grand Hotel, one in the park as well,
But it’s just to trick you, all there just for show…

258233 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to karenovirus, 2, #348 of 1470 🔗

They are trolling us

258280 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 5, #349 of 1470 🔗

Our town is like that too, jolly xmas lights bullshit, fairy lights around the “Stay 2 meters Apart” signs.
Mind you I don’t know this to be the case for sure as I haven’t been into town since mandatory face nappy day.
It’s probably worse than I can possibly imagine.

258288 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 3, #350 of 1470 🔗


258318 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 1, #351 of 1470 🔗

You certainly may, Karen.

258928 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 1, #352 of 1470 🔗

I live in the town center and noticed yesterday the lights were on. They would usually have light switch on party on a thursday, so I guess it was the date.
We would have had a huge xmas market all over town from next week, thank god that was cancelled immediately in March. Although it does bring a lot of income to the council, accommodation providers and local eateries, it also puts a huge strain on our traffic and local residents trying to go about life. So I am glad it is not going ahead this year. Every year it gets bigger and it is a monster!

258221 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #353 of 1470 🔗

In our local town (busy as they’ve opened up in Northern Ireland FPR A WEEK AND THEN LOCKING DOWN AGAIN) you might meet this mother and son team. Good to see my tax money going to intelligent places

258282 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #354 of 1470 🔗

This picture is poison. These people are insane.

258818 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, 2, #355 of 1470 🔗

Wouldn’t it be great to rip their masks off their smug faces.

258352 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #356 of 1470 🔗

Fucking asshats.

258717 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #357 of 1470 🔗

That photo makes me feel literally ill

Virtue signalling is violence

258206 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 29, #358 of 1470 🔗

I nearly spat out my coffee this morning when I stumbled upon this sentence in a Telegraph article: “Mr Cummings and Mr Gove had been keen to follow the science.” No, they absolutely were NOT following “the science.” They were following the completely flawed prognostications of a discredited coterie of modellers and behavioural scientists. There isn’t a single soul in that wretched group with any expert knowledge on human coronaviruses – an absolutely criminal development, and in any case one which provides good reason to hastily dish out P45s en masse to these monomanical charlatans.

258299 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Scotty87, 9, #359 of 1470 🔗

They may not have had any ‘expert knowledge on human coronaviruses’ but anybody with a little sense could predict the extraordinary harm that lockdown or rather the implementation of tyranny would cause. This is a fundamental change in the relationship between the British people and the state in a way that can never be undone.

P45s are not enough. These people have been literally at war with the British people and have cost us lives, our livelihoods, our mental health, our home.

They should be under arrest and investigation awaiting trial. They are terrorists and murderers.

258490 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Scotty87, 3, #360 of 1470 🔗

There is, of course, no such thing as ‘THE Science’ in the sense of a conclusively settled body of knowledge.

But there is scientific method – rational, empirical enquiry as a means of looking at the available evidence and testing hypotheses. That, to me is ‘THE Science’. One of the basic principles of that process is that a null hypothesis stands if the test of a hypothesis indicates that findings are most likely caused by chance factors.

… and that is what this bunch of weasels haven’t done throughout the whole sad course of this fakedemic. Thus we are surrounded by measures that have been instituted even tho’ they didn’t pass that basic scientific test. That’s the very opposite of ‘following the Science’.

258210 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #361 of 1470 🔗

I’m being dense this morning. In the article that Toby referred to https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html what are the figures in red under the swingometers e.g Y&NE 1.0-1.1 has 0 to +2 underneath. Thanks

258216 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to arfurmo, 1, #362 of 1470 🔗

Effective R i.e the number of people that an average infected individual will pass it on to.

258225 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #363 of 1470 🔗

Thanks -too much beer last night.

258271 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #365 of 1470 🔗

Emerged evidence of an effective treatment!
British company
Inhaled Interferon Beta
Phase 2 trial peer reviewed in the Lancet
Phase 3 trial in 20+ countries and 20 NHS sites just starting.
May get some emergency approvals shortly
Potential game changer
(Full disclosure – although that’s not very fashionable – I hold shares in this compan; see my thread in Medicines sub-forum)

258286 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to SilentP, #366 of 1470 🔗

Another effective treatment.

258218 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #367 of 1470 🔗

Dr Richard Turnbull, the author of the recent Critic article on the failure of church leaders to make an appropriate response to the ‘pandemic’, has given one of the Christian Institute Autumn Lectures. At long last Christian are starting to respond appropriately. You can listen to him here:


258236 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Basileus, 2, #368 of 1470 🔗

I’ve just watched the first episode of “The Box of Delights” – first shown on this day in 1984. One of the main threads of the story is that evil people are trying to stop the Midnight Service in the Cathedral from taking place – it was due to be the thousandth year of celebrating Christmas in the Cathedral. In the story, the main characters, with the help of some pagan magic, manage to save the Christmas service (albeit the book has the worst ending in the world – it is all a dream!!).
I’m feeling slightly depressed now, because with only five weeks to go, I don’t see how we can have a proper Christmas service.

258260 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Sara, 2, #369 of 1470 🔗

I loved that series as a child, rewatched it quite recently in a fit of nostalgia and enjoyed it all over again.

258279 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Adamb, 2, #370 of 1470 🔗

Same here. Absolutely magical. I might see if I can track it down too.

258496 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Adamb, #371 of 1470 🔗

The creepy music/imagery contrast of the opening sequence is still amazing.

259083 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Sara, #372 of 1470 🔗

Our Director of Music has sent out the Christmas services rota. I’ve got three! Crossing everything! And next Sunday (Advent) I’m singing O Thou That Tellest from Messiah in church in a service that will be filmed and streamed.

The people who have worked so hard to keep church music alive through all this are total heroes. Those who used it to abolish Sheffield Cathedral Choir on the other hand ………!

258247 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Basileus, #373 of 1470 🔗

Thank you for posting this. I will listen to it later today.

258223 Sir Roderick Spode, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 11, #374 of 1470 🔗

For those old enough to remember ‘,The Fall and Rise of Reggie Perrin ‘ the government may as well have appointed Doc Morrisey as Chief Medical Officer -‘Covid 19 ? No idea ,take two aspirin and the afternoon off’.
A better option than 9 months of panic driven bungling.
In the People’s Republic of Camden the lockdown is being ignored with more people around than before-the government ban on the sale of trousers and books not having a deterrent effect..
Further government instruction to sing the national anthem whilst hopping backwards to suppress the virus seems inevitable..

258243 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 4, #375 of 1470 🔗

I remember Doc Morrisey.
‘He’s dead!’
CJ, opens eye: ‘You’re fired’.

258257 ▶▶▶ Sir Roderick Spode, replying to TJN, 8, #376 of 1470 🔗

‘I didn’t get where I am today by sentencing the country to house arrest without providing any evidence that it was remotely necessary ‘ etc

258245 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 4, #377 of 1470 🔗

In the Perrin programme it was all about the knees, for the goverment it’s all about the sneeze. During the spring lockdown when there were no mandatory masks I don’t recall even one person sneezing in a crowded place like a supermarket, and I was basically out shopping every day.

258269 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 2, #378 of 1470 🔗

It’s not sneezing per say, that spreads the Rona, it’s the SPLUTTERING.
That’s why we don the nappy.
Get real!

258262 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 2, #379 of 1470 🔗

My favourite Reggie quote was, ‘Everything is underhand’. Seems strangely appropriate to the present circumstances.

258264 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 2, #380 of 1470 🔗

It did occur to me that the tiered restrictions were chosen by Boris (and Carrie) in a similar way to Reginald Perrin choosing Tony and David’s sales zones using a waste paper bin and a handbag


No doubt Reginald Perrin would have been stopped from attending his own funeral because of the 30 people rule.

And his train might have been delayed by 11 minutes due to masks on the line at New Malden.

258268 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #381 of 1470 🔗

Although he would have had an excuse not to visit his mother-in-lay (picture hippopotamus)

258324 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 3, #382 of 1470 🔗

Face nappies would have pride of place in his shop “Grot” too… (for those unfamiliar it was full of useless items, like a tennis racquet with no strings).

258531 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, #383 of 1470 🔗

I think, you as Spode of the Blackshorts will have a better plan for the ‘Reset’ than these maniacs, wasn’t it turnips, potato’s and umbrellas’?

258235 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 6, #384 of 1470 🔗

Morning all, been off for a while (need a mental break) but this just made my day:


(Warning: Irreverent humour!)

258272 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to zacaway, 3, #385 of 1470 🔗

Top tune!

258295 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #386 of 1470 🔗

Catchy! Going to be humming that all day

258246 ianric, replying to ianric, #387 of 1470 🔗

When I read the comments on youtube I often hear about people who say they don’t know anyone with covid. Does anyone here know anyone who has had Covid. A good skeptic argument is that if we are in a deadly pandemic, why are people with covid c onspicuous by their absence which you wouldn’t expect in a real pandemic.

259094 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to ianric, #388 of 1470 🔗

My cousin had it right at the beginning; caught on a cruise ship, and my nephew and his nurse wife have it now. My niece works in a home where residents have apparently died of it. I don’t know of anyone who has caught it out and about in the community. Hospitals are the main source.

259105 ▶▶ steph, replying to ianric, 1, #389 of 1470 🔗

Yes I do. It is real and can be nasty. It just doesn’t merit the overreaction of this and other governments.

258259 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #390 of 1470 🔗

Has anyone watched the film, ‘Dark Waters’? It is about a lawyer who takes on DuPont for causing death and injury through polluting the drinking water. The critics say, ‘ Dark Waters powerfully relays a real-life tale of infuriating malfeasance, honouring the victims and laying blame squarely at the feet of the perpetrators.’

I watched it last night, it is available on Amazon Prime, and it shows what we are up against. Trailer here:


258424 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, #391 of 1470 🔗

Yes we watched it last night. Its shocking to discover most of us have this chemical in our bodies. Who doesn’t have or have used a Teflon coated pan?

258479 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to Basileus, #392 of 1470 🔗

Yes, great film. I referred my wife to it when she was suggesting we get the vaccine. No bloody way!

258261 MJohnson, replying to MJohnson, 2, #393 of 1470 🔗

My attention has been drawn to Public Health England’s weekly NOIDs report (Notification of Infectious Diseases) on the government website. This states for the latest week, the week ending 15/11/20, that there are 87 cases of covid19 in the whole of England & Wales. Scrolling back through the weeks the number was in the 700s in April. I do not understand how this correlates with the huge numbers we are bombarded with in the media. Perhaps I am missing something?


258696 ▶▶ MJohnson, replying to MJohnson, 1, #394 of 1470 🔗

Just to clarify the covid19 statistics are on page 14 of the linked report.

Here is a link to all the weekly reports:

258947 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to MJohnson, #395 of 1470 🔗

Those are diagnosed by a GP.
And most GPs – or their reception team – will probably recommend stay at home and get a test.
So only people who managed to physically see a GP are included in this report.

258263 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 7, #396 of 1470 🔗

“We don’t want all our editorial meetings to be dominated by what white people think. We don’t want any single group in society to dominate our editorial thinking, because we are not being diverse in our thought process.”

I have diverged considerably from “White People Think”, not because I am not a white person, I am not really a person, I am an alien now. Alienated from the world the BBC has created.

I am as diverse as fuck. I wonder if they will give me a job as an Editor.

258278 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Two-Six, 4, #397 of 1470 🔗

Don’t you consult the White Man’s Manual of What to Think before deciding what you think about something? I wouldn’t entertain a thought without it. Just here, on page 13,743, column 2, it says, ‘Remember that a white man does not think for himself. This is why all white men are always in agreement about everything. If you feel an independent thought forming at the back of your mind, repress it by performing a microaggression at once, before referring to this manual for the racially correct thought.’

258462 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, #398 of 1470 🔗

I’m all in favour of getting a just balance in all things.

But – I reckon the Groan and Beeb represent the acme of over-done virtue signalling.

Look at the number of articles/items preaching diversity.

Then look up the backgrounds of the journos that write them – a massive prevalence of well-heeled, middle class background, and overwhelmingly Oxbridge educated – with connections.

258267 Cecil B, 6, #399 of 1470 🔗

Is ‘Foundation’ the post morality word for shysterism#

There are all at it, Bill and Belinda, the Clintons, arry and me gun, the Blairs et al

How long before we have The Princess Nut Nuts Foundation offering you Boris Body Rub?

# the word ‘shysterism’ is copyright of The Cecil B Foundation it may only be used under licence on condition that you buy one of my juicers

258290 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #401 of 1470 🔗

Thanks – one of my weekly Must-Reads!

p.s. Oooops – 2011 !

258301 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #402 of 1470 🔗

Peter’s point about propaganda.
It always comes in threes

Build Back Better


259421 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to karenovirus, 1, #403 of 1470 🔗

comment image

258309 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #404 of 1470 🔗

The latest edition of Viz (301) has a brilliant cartoon on page 47 called “Lidl Richard” where the character sets out to buy a bag of frozen peas but comes back with a load of unnecessary middle aisle items.

258296 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 18, #405 of 1470 🔗

Happy 200th Lockdown Sceptics!
Keep banging the drums folks the pendulum is slowly but surely swinging our way.

258302 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Arnie, 5, #406 of 1470 🔗

Well, I hope you are right; I see little sign of anything but increased totalitarianism. I rather doubt that anyone currently alive will live to see anything like freedom again – a neo-Stalinist state will only allow the most meagre of existence.

258316 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to IanE, 11, #407 of 1470 🔗

I work from home almost all the time, so I don’t see much of the outside world on a daily basis. Mr CGL is now going to work every day, and sees a different world from the one I am in. He speaks to ‘normal’ people – none of whom are on board with all this madness. I think some of us are insulated by wfh and some because of where we are living and the compliance we see. I get the feeling that there are more pockets of resistance now, even though some of us aren’t seeing them

258587 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Arnie, 3, #408 of 1470 🔗

Go us!

Over the past 200 days, 2,887 users have created 251,006 comments consisting of 80 million characters scoring a total of 1,197,531 likes.

This works out to an average of 1,255 comments and 5,987 likes per day over the entire time the site has been running, including the early days when the site was not that well known.

These days, we are seeing an average of about 1,800 comments and 9,000 likes per day.

(Note: The user count above is less than the one reported on Panscepticon because Panscepticon treats usernames as being case sensitive, whereas the above analysis is case-insensitive. I need to fix PS’s user handling because it is over-reporting users and under-reporting total likes-per-person.)

258645 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #409 of 1470 🔗

Great work from yourself as usual!

258297 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #410 of 1470 🔗

Will have to find independent corroboration to check this is true:


Just the start if it is.

258305 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #411 of 1470 🔗

Sure looks nasty, but, as you say, one needs corroborative evidence.

258298 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 21, #412 of 1470 🔗

Ivor Cummins tweet


From a publication in Nature ‘There were no positive tests amongst 1174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases’

And if there is no asymptomatic (or pre symptomatic) spread then lockdowns, masks, social distancing, quarantining/isolating the healthy etc are completely meaningless interventions as it should just be a case of supporting people to stay home when they have symptoms.

258304 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #413 of 1470 🔗

Didn’t we intuitively know this? Good to see it in writing – how are they going to subvert that? No doubt we will find out later today

258306 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #414 of 1470 🔗

You carry on and I’ll make sure facebook and youtube are waiting for you at the school gates at going home time.

We know who you are, you have been warned

258300 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 86, #415 of 1470 🔗

I did a guerrilla raid on our local children’s park yesterday. It was totally sealed off with tape & posters about the plague/madness.

Everything went in the bin, can’t have litter don’t you know! 😉

Just walked past the park & it’s packed with parents & kids.

By doing that I’ve made some kids & their parents happy. Good result!

Keep battering on folks.


258308 ▶▶ alw, replying to Arnie, 20, #416 of 1470 🔗

The same has happened with the outdoor fitness area round here… HEROES 👏 👏 👏 👏

258325 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to alw, 18, #417 of 1470 🔗

If we all do our little bit…
Old normal not ‘new’ normal.

258955 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Arnie, 2, #418 of 1470 🔗

During L1 I enjoyed a nice use of the swing in our taped off park playground.
It was awful to see parents adhering to signs and yellow tape!

258312 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Arnie, 7, #419 of 1470 🔗


258313 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Arnie, 9, #420 of 1470 🔗

Mrs DocRC and I went for supper with our elder son and family last night. Naughty, I know, and will probably get us banned from having Christmas- Boris said yesterday it was dependent on us observing the current lockdown properly! Daughter in law said that the Cambridgeshire police were patrolling their village at school leaving time to stop parents and children meeting up at the playground! They didn’t catch anyone because it was pouring with rain. They would have been more successful he day before when the playground was rammed!!

258510 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to DocRC, 5, #421 of 1470 🔗

I thought the spin was he was bounced into the lockdown by Vallance and Whitty.Im amazed how quickly people forget the lies from last week.

258317 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Arnie, 6, #422 of 1470 🔗

Brilliant. Great work!

258323 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #423 of 1470 🔗

Thank you, I’ll keep an eye out for more…

258328 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Arnie, 31, #424 of 1470 🔗

I am a Parish Councillor and when this latest nonsense started we checked and were told there was no requirement to close playgrounds or playing fields and so we left ours open. The closure of some playgrounds is another example of hysterical over-reaction with no official requirement.

258435 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #425 of 1470 🔗

And no popular mandate either I would suggest…


258338 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Arnie, 12, #426 of 1470 🔗

Excellent. The sort of action that is needed. I will now carry some scissors with me when I dare to venture out in this virus infested part of Devon.

258653 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to William Hand, #427 of 1470 🔗

I’m in Devon, near Plymouth. Whereabouts are you?

258427 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 6, #428 of 1470 🔗

Arnue, I love you!

258432 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to annie, 4, #429 of 1470 🔗

I love you too Annie!
Keep battering on.

258544 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Arnie, 3, #430 of 1470 🔗

murderer!!!! they are all going to catch covid and go home and kill granny

258650 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Arnie, 7, #431 of 1470 🔗

Bloody brilliant – more actions like this are desperately needed. I’ve purchased an all black non logo ensemble for my own midnight excursions, to tear down the insidious bossy notices in my town.

258651 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Arnie, 6, #432 of 1470 🔗

Good work, Arnie. All I did today was to cross out the wording on a notice about no entry without a mask and to write EXEMPTIONS? on it.

258960 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Edward, 5, #433 of 1470 🔗

I now carry a thick pen with me so I can write on signs, too!

258303 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #434 of 1470 🔗

On historical parallels, I see clear relations with what is happening now with what led up to the Great Famine in China (1958-1962). Poor, politically correct science led to reductions in crop yields. The worst decision was the ‘zero sparrow campaign’ where sparrows were made extinct in China (they eat crops doncha know) – they also eat pests which eat crops and this led to the Great Famine which killed somewhere up to 45 million people.

Worth reading these from a current perspective

whistleblower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tso-hsin_Cheng

The following characters

Boris – Mao Zedong

SAGE – Lysenko inspired agricultural scientists and also party functionaries who kept fiddling figures, promising bumper crops, faking fields full of wheat for Mao Zedong visits

Heneghan, Gupta, Yeaden etc – Tso-hsin Cheng – they listened to him eventually and had to reimport sparrows from Russia – he was also denounced as a criminal for supporting birds (officially birds were public animals of capitalism) and had to live in a cowshed for 6 months – presumably these days it would just be a ban from facebook

The majority of the public – peasants blowing trumpets at trees

Skeptical members of the public – The personnel of the Polish embassy in Beijing

The 1922 committee – Deng Xiaoping

Ultimately the communist party admitted the faults and Mao had to withdraw from active decision making.

Lets hope Devi Sridhar moves on from her “zero covid campaign” to “zero sparrows” or “zero bedbugs” – might cause less damage.

258426 ▶▶ annie, replying to steve_w, 2, #435 of 1470 🔗

I protest on behalf of the sparrows.
As for the bedbugs, she could never harm them owing to their very close relationship.

258441 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #436 of 1470 🔗

One difference – Mao had actually done some leadership stuff, whatever happened after.

258444 ▶▶ Liam, replying to steve_w, 1, #437 of 1470 🔗

Frank Dikotter’s “Mao’s Great Famine” is a great book on the subject.

258307 Pancho the Grey, replying to Pancho the Grey, 8, #438 of 1470 🔗

Can I try this idea out here and see if it makes sense to you?
The most vulnerable are people with serious underlying conditions, of whom, many are also of extreme age.
The least vulnerable are the young.
From the conditions affecting the most vulnerable they are the least likely to be socially mobile. They are generally housebound or bed-bound under normal conditions; most of their contact is with carers – professional and family – and PPE was already mandated for these people. Most of the vulnerable will have voluntarily isolated themselves from the outset, following government advice.
Lockdown didn’t change these regimes for the vulnerable. Their carers still cared, their families still cared. Care homes prevented any visitors. And yet this cohort has stubbornly continued to die and make up the vast bulk of deaths. Lockdown would appear to have had little or no effect, and thus these people form an underlying background that has always existed and has always increased and decreased in lock step with the seasons.
One thing that appears to have happened in the run-up to the second lockdown was that students went back to their studies. There is anecdotal evidence that younger kids spread the virus anong them selves and took it home, where generally Mum got infected (I think a spike in younger women becoming infected was reported then).
When older students went back, we know many became infected. Many were not residents of halls, they had accommodation in flats and at home, and inevitably took the disease home with them, where again the age profile of those infected slowly crept up.
The only time the extremely vulnerable were likely to be exposed to this were in multi-generational households, and I believe that this is common in many of the areas which have been most badly affected in the “second wave”.
Lockdown doesn’t (and will never) change behaviour in carer/client situations or in existing households, and my contention is that this is responsible for most transmission. Further, most of the deaths were of people whose circumstances were unchanged by lockdown and for whom Covid was, at most, only a contributing factor to the inevitable.

258356 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Pancho the Grey, #439 of 1470 🔗

75% of people IN ICU have a BMI over 25. 65% are over 65 years old.

Add in Co morbidities and you have a very easy identifiable vulnerable group

258375 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #440 of 1470 🔗

and the BMI for the NHS?

258386 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Pancho the Grey, 6, #441 of 1470 🔗

A lot of the ‘at risk’ group got infected on hospital wards, lockdowns had nothing to do with it.
I agree that the movement of up to 10% of the population in a time period covering late August to early October which takes place every year, changes the degree of ‘herd immunity’ in communities. That is why we see increase in respiratory illness and deaths following this period. Unfortunately the same happens over the Christmas period every year, and will give the SAGE fanatics exactly the ammunition they seek to impose yet more restrictions early in the new year. They know this, and will use it against the populace for their own ends. Public Health used for evil purposes.

258438 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Pancho the Grey, 6, #442 of 1470 🔗

I think that this is broadly right – as are other comments. And it emphasizes the pointless nature of general house arrest (except in a malicious political sense).

I am in the mobile but vulnerable group, and I am not keen on copping a load of any potentially serious virus. I’m not stupid, and earlier in life and health, I have had serious doses of two ‘flu’s. I will therefore modify by behaviour accordingly.

I don’t need a mixture of egotistical twats and serial incompetents to tell me what to do – I obviously have a much better grasp of risk factors, data and statistical probability than them – and yes, part of the process will be taking risks according to an intelligent assessment, rather than cowering away from the minor chance of the worst happening.

258314 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #443 of 1470 🔗

Published yesterday:
Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China
Abstract Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases . 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.

258332 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #444 of 1470 🔗

So either the “asymptomatic cases” are false positives or asymptomatic people don’t spread viruses.

258369 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to leggy, 8, #445 of 1470 🔗

From “Immunology and Virology for Dummies.” There is no such thing as asymptomatic spread of respiratory viruses.

And yes the”asymptomatic cases” were probably false positives!

258334 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #446 of 1470 🔗

So what to conclude?
For me Asia is the big mystery, I’ve never been to Japan but I have been to Korea, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam & there’s no way a track n trace system defeated an airborne virus in these places. Which makes me conclude it was prior immunity. But if prior immunity how come Wuhan had a bad outbreak but nowhere, really nowhere else did?

258380 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to NickR, 2, #447 of 1470 🔗

Yeadon puts it down to high correlation of cross immunity from previous exposure to SARS1 and the 4 coronavirus present in colds.
Personally I think this is part of the story. But also the demographics are different, the elderly are healthier and do not use ACE inhibitors as part of their drug use. They use a lot of fish oil in cooking , high in VitD. All these contribute as well I think.
Masks are NOT the issue. Japan for instance had a really bad flu year in 2018/9 despite mask wearing in cities because of road polution. Here the ‘dry tinder’ idea is probably at work. A lot of ‘at risk ‘ died the year before. Unlike in UK/Sweden for instance where there was mild flu seasons 2 years before 2020.

258404 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 1, #448 of 1470 🔗

I think the informed consensus is that there are a number of key factors that affect inter-country differences. Some are probable, some obscure.

Of the probables are climatic factors, age of population, density of population, prior immunity, and the strength of the prior ‘flu season.

Government interventions seem largely irrelevant.

Seems to make sense to me – particularly the multivariate approach.

258739 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to RickH, 1, #449 of 1470 🔗

I would buy all that except for Wuhan. Why have a serious outbreak in Wuhan & not elsewhere?

259102 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to RickH, 1, #450 of 1470 🔗

Diet too. The Chinese don’t consume dairy products like we do. Many of them are lactose intolerant. Countries with a lower number of deaths probably have a younger, thinner, more physically active population.

258319 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 51, #451 of 1470 🔗

I met a nurse earlier this week who is totally anti coronabollocks. Her job takes her all around the hospital.

She’s taken it upon herself to rewrite any of the covid leaflets and posters with subtle sceptism thrown in. To all intents and purposes they are genuine NHS leaflets and posters but all of them have things like a section for ‘Alternative Views and Research’ which include lockdownsceptics web address, Ivor Cummins twitter and a few others.

I had a chance to check for myself on visit to the hospital yesterday and she is telling the truth. In the main reception area of our local hospital is a notice board area. There is a large ‘hands, space, wank’ poster up on the middle of the board and on the bottom right hand corner of it is the lockdownsceptics logo!

It’s all so subtle that it’s being missed by the zealots. To me it’s genius.


258348 ▶▶ steph, replying to Arnie, 8, #452 of 1470 🔗

Well done her. Very brave considering the coercion NHS employees suffer.

258357 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Arnie, 5, #453 of 1470 🔗

As with the video of a crowded room where nobody notices the guy in the gorilla costume walking across.

258421 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 1, #454 of 1470 🔗

Please pass on my heartiest congratulations.

258529 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Arnie, 1, #455 of 1470 🔗

Fabulous. I’d do anything for a sighting like that!

258320 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 4, #456 of 1470 🔗

Oi, Boris, handcock, SAGE, Ferguson, sturgeon….and all you MSM parasites.

It takes great talent and skill to conceal one’s talent and skill 😉

La Rochefocauld 1613-1680

258418 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 1, #457 of 1470 🔗

What talent? What skill?’

The whole miserable boiling remind me of the evil Thing in Oh whistle and I’ll come to you: the doughty colonel thought that ‘If Parkins had closed with it, it could really have done very little, and its sole power was that of frightening.’

258446 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, 1, #458 of 1470 🔗

Good point…

It takes great talent and skill to conceal one’s fuck all talent and skill

Stefarm 1977-……….

258499 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to stefarm, 3, #459 of 1470 🔗

On the contrary they have used their talent to skilfully enslave a once free nation in less than a year.

258832 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to annie, #460 of 1470 🔗

Blimey, and this was just an old sheet on a string!

258321 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 39, #461 of 1470 🔗

Neil Ferguson. That turd that just won’t flush.

258326 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to PhilipF, 1, #462 of 1470 🔗

I get that next day after 10 pints of Guinness.

Good point well made btw!

258343 ▶▶ steph, replying to PhilipF, 2, #463 of 1470 🔗

Deserves more than 1 uptick

258393 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PhilipF, 3, #464 of 1470 🔗

Ferguson – the man who invented modern ‘misinformation’ – willingly still given a platform.

258415 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to PhilipF, 1, #465 of 1470 🔗

He’s a maths man. Since when has a maths man known anything about public health ?

If one were cynical you could suggest that this never ending list of SAGE tosspots are wanting to keep this all riding so they keep getting unprecedented amount of investment cash.

Thank god it’s not at all that and they simply care so much…….

258586 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Leemc23, -2, #466 of 1470 🔗

Since when has a maths man known anything about public health ?

Since at least 1906 when mathematics was starting to be used to study epidemic disease spread. Not every mathematician is an expert on public health, but some of them are.

258437 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PhilipF, #467 of 1470 🔗

Apt description

258845 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to PhilipF, 1, #468 of 1470 🔗

If, or pray, when this nonsense is over, I won’t be satisfied until he’s hanging in Trafalgar square, from a noose of tightly twisted foil.

258327 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 42, #469 of 1470 🔗

Well, it’s not a bad day (weather-wise, I mean) up in in Gulag East Dunbartonshire, our first day in Scottish Level 4, full lockdown in all but name. I’m about to head out into the countryside with my 92 year old Mum, into the neighbouring local authority area of Stirlingshire. The boundary between East Dunbartonshire and Stirlingshire is actually about 500 yards from where I’m typing this (at home) but the law prohibits me from going there as from today. Hope there is no police road block at the border. Well, fuck the law. We’re taking a flask of coffee and one of Mum’s favourite home-made Empire biscuits. Weather permitting we will have a stroll in (maybe) Killearn or Buchlyve and then enjoy coffee and biscuit in the car as all the garden centres and coffee shops are closed, one of Mum’s little pleasures. I’ve become a law-breaker, thanks to Nickla, but frankly that’s the last thing worrying me today.

258329 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Gillian, 13, #470 of 1470 🔗

Have a nice day. Fuck them.

258335 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Gillian, 11, #471 of 1470 🔗

Good for you, sounds like a nice wee jaunt as long as the rain keeps off! Empire biscuits are the coup-de-grace on your illegal border raid 🙂

I’m with you in spirit. Rules like this have no moral or rational basis so we cannot be expected as free people to follow the petty dictats of the Krankienfuhrer. She can get stuffed.

258341 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Gillian, 4, #472 of 1470 🔗

@ what GorbalsGirl sais ✌️ ✌️

258342 ▶▶ steph, replying to Gillian, 17, #473 of 1470 🔗

We are all law breakers now. Or is it regulation / rule / advice? God knows and I don’t care. Son was going to visit a friend yesterday, strictly against the rules but it fell through. I made sure though that he knew what police were able to ask of him if he was stopped and that he must refuse a fine and insist on going to court.
All of our friends and neighbours are breaking the rules in some way or another. Most wouldn’t admit it to pollsters though.
I now have no respect for government or the rule of law. I will do whatever I like so long as it doesn’t harm others and sod them.

258350 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gillian, 11, #474 of 1470 🔗

Spoke to a chap yesterday who moves cars around for a living. He assures me that the rumours of police guarding the Welsh border are a complete myth.
He should know living in Newport and driving all over the UK.

258433 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 3, #475 of 1470 🔗

Can second that. I cross the border between Wales and England all the time. Only place I’ve seen police cars regularly is Abergele. That’s well within Wales.

258358 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Gillian, 1, #476 of 1470 🔗

“ The biscuit was originally known as the “Linzer biscuit”, and later as the “Deutsch biscuit”. Also to be found in Winnipeg. Where it gets grievous cold. Cold and Teutonic. SNP Scotland.

258359 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Gillian, 2, #477 of 1470 🔗

I hope you have a lovely day out with your mum 😊

258366 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Gillian, #478 of 1470 🔗

all these jock tiers remind me of the old Grandstand football results…’Scottish Division Two , East Fife five, Forfar four…

258408 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TyRade, 2, #479 of 1470 🔗

And that lovely incantation: ‘Partick Thistle 2, Queen of the South 1’.

258664 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to annie, 3, #480 of 1470 🔗

For numerical interest rather than euphony my favourite was a Scottish Cup result from some years ago: Stirling Albion 20 Selkirk 0. It doesn’t beat Arbroath 36 Bon Accord 0, but the latter is ancient history. Quite recently in the Highland League there was Brora Rangers 16 Fort William 0.

258784 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to Edward, 2, #481 of 1470 🔗

Incredibly , there was a 35-0 the very same afternoon as the 36-0 humiliation in Arbroath.

258750 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 2, #482 of 1470 🔗

Stenhousemuir was my favourite. Sounded a lot more exotic than it actually is.

258395 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Gillian, 2, #483 of 1470 🔗

That’s the spirit! Take back control.

258405 ▶▶ annie, replying to Gillian, 7, #484 of 1470 🔗

Have a great time!
Here in Gulag Wales, where it was illegal to leave your house for more than half an hour per day in the first incarceration, I am a habitual lawbreaker of the first water.
And I am fit.
And unrepentant.
Screw the lot of them.

258428 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Gillian, #485 of 1470 🔗

I’m missing my dose of Empire biscuits. They don’t sell ’em south of the border…

258779 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Gillian, 1, #486 of 1470 🔗

Polis have already said they won’t be stopping anyone.

Have a lovely day 😊

258336 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #487 of 1470 🔗

For Machiavelli, the prophet who preaches and brings change can only survive by taking up arms. When the masses inevitably yearn for the past, he must be ready to use force. But the armed prophet cannot last long unless he quickly creates a new set of values and rituals to replace the old ones and to soothe the anxieties of those who dread change. It is far easier and less bloody to play a kind of con game. Preach change as much as you like and even enact your reforms but give them the comforting appearance of older events and traditions.

Sounds familiar to me

258439 ▶▶ Simon, replying to stefarm, #488 of 1470 🔗

When trying to make process changes in business, you have to make it impossible to go back to old ways and habits. Plenty of problem solving efforts (even with six sigma) fail if the relevant process controls are not put in place. People are very much creatures of habit and behaviour is one of the things near impossible to change.

The new laws put on us are purely to do with that. However, who really follow all of them. There are so many ways around them you have a legitimate get out clause for most. Plenty of people just going along with them to avoid the fines. Many people avoid situations where they can be caught not following the new rules.

Avoid the big supermarkets and see the mask use in the small shops. Or petrol stations. Most places I visit are regularly maks free, that’s all the staff and most customers. People are meeting up and generally trying to make things the way they were. Obviously some are so terrified that they follow the governement and BBC, like my mum sadly, but slowly she has been stepping out and is now starting to complain. Many more are coming out of hibernation.

Maybe we don’t need a mass protest, riot, or taking the government by force. Observe peoples behaviour now compared to six months ago.

Just like the process change with poor controls, it drifts back over time.

258746 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Simon, 2, #489 of 1470 🔗

On the motorway today were signs saying ” Essential travel only”. Well my journey was essential, I had to take my car out because it told me the battery was low. “Go for a long drive” it said.
That’s crazy, that I have to drive from nowhere to nowhere because I’m driving so little. That’s how bonkers the Covid rules are.

258340 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 21, #490 of 1470 🔗

The horrors that have been perpetrated on the UK public by all this nonsense are breathtaking;
For example, Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights asserts that:

  • “Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.”
  • “Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” [3]

We really opened Pandora’s box when we first went down the legal lockdown route, but if they intend to continue with movement restrictions after 9 Months then the UK should withdraw from the Declaration of Human Rights. The Government cannot have it both ways. Our MPs need to consider these fundamental matters before they start tinkering with the details of how much Christmas they are going to let us have.

258391 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #491 of 1470 🔗

Perhaps a new principle for clear judgment about any Covid law :

If it’s against The UDHR, the Nuremberg principles etc. – it has no moral force and should be ignored.

258410 ▶▶ JME, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #492 of 1470 🔗

I think the human rights issue is being looked into in the Simon Dolan case- still awaiting the judgment (which seems to be taking a very long time!) but not holding my breath it’ll go our way sadly (though for the life of me I can’t see how the judges can say numerous human rights haven’t been violated).

258423 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JME, 1, #493 of 1470 🔗

I think they are in a bit of a quandary to be fair. 1st it isn’t their job to write or redraught laws. 2nd the rushed CV Act is clearly poorly draughted and infringes other laws by careless application of SIs. The longer it goes on, the more cautiously optimistic I become.

258443 ▶▶▶▶ JME, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #494 of 1470 🔗

I agree and sincerely hope you’re right Nick. In my more optimistic moments I, too, like to think the longer it’s taking the more it might point to a positive outcome. In my more pessimistic moments I’m thinking they’re trying to find ways to wriggle out of it and find in favour of the government.

258483 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #495 of 1470 🔗

Lord Sumption explained they didn’t use the CV act to enforce lockdown.They used the 1984 public health act;which he believes doesn’t confer the power to quarantine healthily people.Its a massive difference.

258705 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to JME, 1, #496 of 1470 🔗

Don’t think I’ve seen Simon Dolan talk about the Great Reset or the WEF

258351 RickH, replying to RickH, 17, #497 of 1470 🔗

“Covid Infections Continue to Drop”
No they don’t – because they’re not ‘infections’ in any known language. They’re PCR+ results.

It’s a f.ing weird deadly infection that doesn’t show up in the mortality numbers.

258856 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #498 of 1470 🔗

Rick is right…who cares about ‘covid infections’….thats not the right way to challenge this bogus narrative.

258353 Will, replying to Will, 8, #499 of 1470 🔗

Another day, another whinge from an NHS manager about how “tired” everyone is. Bollocks, most of the hospitals in the country were empty, for months, during the first lockdown, and those that weren’t, in London, aren’t seeing any cases now. It is complete horse shit!!!

258379 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 6, #500 of 1470 🔗

they should stop making tik-tok dance videos then

258399 ▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 5, #501 of 1470 🔗

Please do not insult horse shit. It is very useful stuff and, once well rotted, completely inoffensive.

258409 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 1, #502 of 1470 🔗

Good for plants too! So is lion shit, but they are rare in the UK. Luckily Chester Zoo isn’t far away. [note: buy it. Might be dangerous to break in and steal it…]

258466 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 1, #503 of 1470 🔗

And the producers of it can be rather special as well.

258567 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Will, #504 of 1470 🔗

To be fair, SOME staff in NHS hospitals are tired. And emotionally drained after the ‘first’ wave. Just not EVERYONE by any means.

258580 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Felice, #505 of 1470 🔗

Indeed. Work can be tiring. Healthcare work is probably quite hard at times, for a lot of reasons. But that does come with the territory.

My work does not compare with it, but often I feel dissatisfied because we have not been able to do as good a job as we would have liked due to various pressures. The world is imperfect.

One can argue about the appropriate amount of resources that should be devoted to nationalised healthcare, but however much you do, it will always need to be rationed and most businesses and organisations tend to operate with little margin for peaks.

Pressure on healthcare ought to be considered seriously, but not with religious zeal to the irrational and damaging exclusion of all else.

In any case, are lockdowns and mass testing, and the money spent on them, actually working and are they the best way to control pressure on healthcare? Hard to believe that they are.

258979 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Will, 1, #506 of 1470 🔗

I sometimes get tired when I stand/sit around all day at work. I prefer to be busy.
I think we all now how you can get tired from doing NOTHING!

258354 Cecil B, 1, #507 of 1470 🔗

Anyone know the release date for the Cummings tapes?

258355 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #508 of 1470 🔗

We’ve just got to accept now that this is nothing whatsoever to do with a fast-vanishing and (for most) mild virus. There doesn’t seem any point to continue discussing whether lockdowns work, or if there should or should not be mass testing, or whether the PCR is fit for purpose, etc.

It’s way beyond all that now. I can see why ‘they’ have to move fast, before those who COULD make a benign difference get their ducks in a row. It was always a race against time to get the vaccine out before the proles became too restless or too emboldened and confident, too well informed to be so easily coerced. Seems they’ve almost achieved that.

258536 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Banjones, 1, #509 of 1470 🔗

Yes, good points. I feel the same way. While it is comforting to talk to other nice Sceptics here and elsewhere, I do wonder if we are really making enough difference, and most importantly, quickly enough. I hasten to add that no criticism of all the good people here is intended. But what more can we do? I’ve written letters to my MP, signed petitions, signed the GBD, support LS and other sites with donations…. But I feel the power of the MSM, the establishment, big tech, big pharma etc is just too great.

258360 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #510 of 1470 🔗

Hope you all enjoy the podcast today (featured in the round up) you can find it here: https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
We talk about the Whitty Vallance cock ups, Vaccine hopes, PCR madness and much more…all with an ‘amused’ eye

(if that’s possible!)

258363 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 5, #511 of 1470 🔗

BBC head of news gathering : hiring darker-hued people “ changed the complexion of what we do on air”!! Bleeding the BBC dry would also ‘lighten the complexion’…what a good idea!

258738 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to TyRade, #512 of 1470 🔗

Does it not occur to them that most of the licence payers are lighter-hued people?

258364 CGL, replying to CGL, 8, #513 of 1470 🔗

And now we are brain damaged –

😑 😑 😑 😑

“‘Conspiracy theorists’ who refuse to wear masks and embrace lockdowns are the victims of their own scientific illiteracy, which has fundamentally damaged their brains to such an extent that they cannot understand the science of Covid-19, claims neurologist Bruce Miller from the University of California, San Francisco, in a paper published earlier this month in the Journal of the American Medical Association.”

Miller leverages his formidable credentials – he’s both director of the Memory and Aging Center and co-director of the Global Brain Health Institute at UCSF – to legitimize a baseless and frankly dangerous theory that could potentially be used to lock those same “conspiracy theorists” away in psychiatric facilities indefinitely. His questionable paper takes the pathologization of dissent even a step further than recent bogus “anti-maskers are sociopaths” studies, to a very dark, totalitarian place – ironically, the exact same endpoint feared by the conspiracy theorists he so glibly patronizes.

Miller equates “anti-mask behavior,” “anti-vaccine beliefs,” and “conspiracy theories about the origins of Covid-19” with “denial of science,” blaming the whole package on low levels of science literacy rooted in poor-quality education. While the quality of US science education is certainly dismal, Miller’s reductionist viewpoint leaves no room for the many intelligent, educated people who hold these views. His area of expertise may be in delusional disorders, but writing off informed dissent as delusion born of ignorance is, well, ignorant and delusional….”

258377 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to CGL, 8, #514 of 1470 🔗

Expert in delusional disorders fails to diagnose his own delusional disorder.

258388 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CGL, 5, #515 of 1470 🔗

Every day there is someone from academia making another insane proposal leading us to conclude their brains have been fried. Overthinking a problem can lead to a mental disorder. What gives these people the right to dictate the who, what, when and how of our lives.

My life, My choice!

258394 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to CGL, 4, #516 of 1470 🔗

Conspiracy theorists aka people who talk about important issues 12 months earlier than they should.

258397 ▶▶ Liam, replying to CGL, 7, #517 of 1470 🔗

The Soviets were pretty good at declaring dissidents as “mentally disturbed” as well.

258401 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to CGL, 5, #518 of 1470 🔗

Yet another over-qualified prick. There, an ad hominem attack. Pointless debating with some people, but all are entitled to their view.

As for incarceration for viewpoints, I can think of several academics who would qualify if I got to choose. After a trial, naturally.

258430 ▶▶ Mark, replying to CGL, 6, #519 of 1470 🔗

Simply fails to understand that the science gives no evidence that masks work, it’s purely mechanics-based assumptions that drive the argument that they do, let alone the higher level benefits, indeed necessity, of dissent and freedom of thought and opinion.

Is it that there’s a level of intelligence that (presumably combined with very hard work and strict conformism) allows these people to achieve high educational levels and operate in complex roles, but is nevertheless insufficient to grasp what seem to be fairly straightforward concepts like the aforementioned?

Or is it that non-rational biases (ideology, emotion) overwhelm their reason in these cases and make them “functionally stupid”?

258452 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mark, 1, #520 of 1470 🔗

I don’t think he’d understand your post, do you?

258480 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CGL, 7, #521 of 1470 🔗

Dissenters being treated as psychiatric cases – now where I have heard that before?

258486 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CGL, 1, #522 of 1470 🔗

I’m not a neurologist but I’m fairly sure that the only way that illiteracy might damage my brain would be if I misread a road sign and so crashed my car.

258489 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CGL, 7, #523 of 1470 🔗

If Miller seriously thinks that the average mask wearing muppet on the street has even the slightest grasp on the science of this pantomime, then he’s even more stupid than his idiotic drivel would suggest.

I recommend that he sends some of the general public over to this website to argue the scientific basis of their beliefs. We would rip them a new arsehole.

258504 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to CGL, 2, #524 of 1470 🔗

So why haven’t FB fact checked and removed this???? Double standards methinks.

258532 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to CGL, 2, #525 of 1470 🔗

What do you think all this stuff about “mental health” is about? Backed by Big Pharma too.

258702 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CGL, 1, #526 of 1470 🔗

Bruce Miller has connections to Bill Gates I’ve read.. I could be wrong

258371 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #527 of 1470 🔗

Struggling to know what pressies to get your nearest and dearest this abnormal Christmas? Well don’t worry, Michael Martin, Ireland’s Taoiseach, has the perfect answer – get them a COVID vaccine voucher!!

Taoiseach: Covid vaccine could be a ‘wonderful Christmas voucher’ for next year TAOISEACH MICHEÁL MARTIN has said that a coronavirus vaccine won’t be ready in time for Christmas, but could be a “wonderful Christmas present, as in, a voucher for the next 12 months”.


Absolute genius.

258372 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to godowneasy, 5, #528 of 1470 🔗

Totally insane

258381 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to godowneasy, 7, #529 of 1470 🔗

The won’t be your nearest and dearest for long. The remainder of the family could get them a crematorium voucher

258392 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, 2, #530 of 1470 🔗

I’m certain he’ll be popular with his family. The long winter nights must just fly by in the Martin household…

258400 ▶▶ steph, replying to godowneasy, 1, #531 of 1470 🔗

Have these people been subjected to some form of Satanic ritual which removes the soul? They don’t resemble humans at all.

258406 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to steph, 1, #532 of 1470 🔗

Spot on!

258475 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to steph, 10, #533 of 1470 🔗

When I go out and see masked zombies everywhere, kids and babies masked by their zombie parents, people who I previously thought were smart partaking in bizarre rituals and wishing death on their fellow human beings, etc, etc I cant help but think we are all being subjected to some form of Satanic ritual to remove the soul. It does seem some peoples souls are easier to remove then others.

258843 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to steph, #534 of 1470 🔗

You don’t even need to bring Satan in to it, human insanity covers most bases within these fuckers mental makeup..

258378 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 16, #535 of 1470 🔗

Why isn’t there a law against promoting the idea that your fellow citizens should be under semi-permanent house arrest?

Is there a right to advocate the stripping of rights of others?

When this is over I’d like to see anyone who has advocated lockdown to be asset stripped (to pay for it) and under permanent house arrest – without access to a computer

258385 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, 6, #536 of 1470 🔗

It’s the very definition of hate speech. I suggested reporting such individuals to their local Prevent programme – especially vocal teachers, nurses, social workers etc. Have them stitched up by the very system that they feel empowered by.

258390 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #537 of 1470 🔗

I’ve used a certain phone line for revenge too.

258420 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #538 of 1470 🔗

Good man. I had one the other day saying he didn’t appreciate being called a bedwetter. I had to point out that he had – only moments earlier – casually suggested my healthcare be removed and that I should be contained within a “facility”. 😨

258396 ▶▶ annie, replying to steve_w, 4, #539 of 1470 🔗

No computer? Torture too hideous for a zombie to contemplate.
Take away Strictly as well, and our revenge would be complete.

258663 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to annie, #540 of 1470 🔗

so they can’t do any modelling!

258463 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to steve_w, 1, #541 of 1470 🔗

I am wondering whether the lockdowns and proposed compulsory vaccination are covered by tje European Human Rights Legislation.. UK is signed up to this and it is not affected by withdrawal from the EU because it is under the aegis of the Council Of Europe.
It has been claimed , eg in the case of illegal immigrants , that these articles override UK ministerial policies so actions like house arrest when you have committed no crime and forcing you to take a medicine that could harm you , especially yong people who are in no danger anyway, could be declared illegal under European Human Rights Law.
However ideally we need comments from an experienced civil rights lawyer or solicitor.

258478 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mikewaite, 5, #542 of 1470 🔗

The law you are referring to is the European Convention on Human Rights and it was incorporated into domestic law in 2000 by the Human Rights Act 1998. The lockdown measures do indeed violate our rights as enshrined in law, bu the judges are not prepared to uphold the law: they prefer the government assertion that the measures are necessary, as was demonstrated in the Dolan Judicial Review.

258512 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Steve Hayes, #543 of 1470 🔗

Steve thank you for the clarification . But if judges are not prepared to uphold the law , what hope is there?

258534 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #544 of 1470 🔗

The MPs currently opposing lockdown measures need to debunk this argument by the government that essential HRs can continue to be disregarded. They may have had a slim argument back in March, though the fact they downgraded cv19 from a HCID, should have nullified that, but to continue when the facts show this is no more of a threat than usual winter viruses, is nothing less than criminal, and should be called out as such.

258474 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 1, #545 of 1470 🔗

The problem when this is over is that we are all going to be asset stripped,but don’t worry we will own nothing and be happy.

258579 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #546 of 1470 🔗

Jonathan Palmer : very droll.. 😎

258384 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 9, #547 of 1470 🔗

Looking for something else and just came across the Trustpilot reviews of the BBC News – who would have guessed ….?


258387 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ozzie, 5, #548 of 1470 🔗


258389 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 9, #549 of 1470 🔗

It’s referenced in the daily round up today, but this article is at the moment the headline on the home page:


258411 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Rabbit, 6, #550 of 1470 🔗

Yes quite a turn around. But the DM has been playing good cop bad cop for some time. Wondering what the contrast to that will be on the MOS tomorrow. Still it will be widely read so should be taken as a good thing….

258481 ▶▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #551 of 1470 🔗

True, and as you say should be widely read at least.

258407 Simon, replying to Simon, 5, #552 of 1470 🔗

Had a thought.

Just because we can’t see the virus doesn’t mean it isn’t there, or some such bollocks as we hear.

So, just because you can’t see my mask, doesn’t mean it isn’t there……

258419 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Simon, 1, #553 of 1470 🔗

To wear ‘to have about ones person’
Collins Technical Dictionary

258681 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 1, #554 of 1470 🔗

On-train announcements include the qualification “which covers your mouth and nose”. This always gives me the creeps as it implies restriction of breathing. I usually mouth “Fuck off”, sometimes accompanied by a gesture.

258572 ▶▶ annie, replying to Simon, 1, #555 of 1470 🔗

But why should it be there?

258412 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 18, #556 of 1470 🔗

I am fed up now with all this BS manipulation of “if ur good boys and girls we’ll let u all meet for Christmas but then you’ll have to pay a heavy price” . BS. To help with it don’t bother with concessions for us we’ll meet up anyway. Bunch of power crazed idiots. I’m hopeful though that the dam is breaching because the are having to ramp up the fear level what the hell has happened in northern Ireland? Just out of ‘saviour lockdown’ straight into another. What a shit show.

258468 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Jo Dominich -, 7, #557 of 1470 🔗

Honestly, fuck Christmas
I want my entire 2020 back please.

258484 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Templeton, 7, #558 of 1470 🔗

Unfortunately we can’t time travel so I hope we can all settle for freedom from now onwards and suitable retribution against those who have taken it from us thus far.
For me, suitable retribution is removal forever from public appointment and enduring a full investigation into cronyism and fraud where appropriate. Suitable jail terms or financial penalties to then be applied. I don’t want to see lampposts or Tower Hill adorned but I do understand those who may wish it.

258522 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Templeton, 3, #559 of 1470 🔗

Christmas is a start. HMG might even lose control of the situation.

258414 DRW, replying to DRW, 16, #560 of 1470 🔗

I’ve been mining old CDs, USBs and hard drives for a picures of my late mum this week, even sadder to remember a lost world we might also never see again.

258436 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to DRW, 15, #561 of 1470 🔗

My mum is in a care home, where I’ve seen her just once since January, when for a few weeks the home was able to allow visitors to see their relatives before being put into Tier 2 because students were testing positive.
The only upside is that her Alzheimer’s was so advanced anyway that it made little difference if she saw me or not. In January, she would smile when she first saw me as if she sort of vaguely, possibly knew my face but had no clue who I was. On my last visit, she didn’t recognise my presence at all. This may have happened anyway, but who knows.
At least she’s being looked after, and there have been no reported cases in the care home.
But I fear I may never see my mum again, and I will never forgive Boris, Hancock and those two evil numpties for that.

258546 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Lms23, 3, #562 of 1470 🔗

My mum’s treatment this year is what sets my blood boiling….
Back in March, my 96 year old mum was managing quite nicely. My eldest sister spent a night or two with her mid week every week, whilst one other of us sisters (there are 5 of us in total, who all live 2 or more hours drive away from her home) would visit at the weekend. She had no carers or other outside help as she was an awkward old lady who criticised others a lot. But she was very happy with these arrangements.
Lockdown changed all this. I was the only one of us who was prepared to visit, do her shopping etc.
Within 2 weeks she had deteriorated considerable. Gone was the contented old lady who was happy to sleep much of the day. She was now agitated, and, without regular visitors, I suspect she was not eating properly. So it was no surprise to discover that she had fallen, and then spent nearly 22 hours on the phone before we came and picked her up – she refused to call an ambulance.
Lockdown again narrowed our options. Mum ended up going into a home for 6 weeks until we organised home care. She absolutely hated the home, and I was shocked to see how much she had deteriorated when she came out.
We managed another couple of weeks, with someone living with her all the time + carers, but it was exhausting to be woken twice a night, needing to take her to the bathroom, cleaning afterwards etc. One of my sisters decided that mum needed a night on her own after 2 weeks, and of course she fell. This time she went to hospital and then to another care home. She lasted 4 weeks before she had a heart attack and died after 5 days in hospital.
In some respects, we were fortunate. We were able to see our mother for periods of lockdown, and when she was in hospital after the heart attack, in July, we were able to visit.
But I will never forget twice visiting mum in her second care home, where I was able to wave to her from the street, as she stood at the window, looking so forlorn.
My mum was still pretty OK mentally – not as bright as she was, but no way was she senile. She hated being in a home, though the staff did their best. It’s a small comfort to know that she is not still suffering now.

258570 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Felice, 1, #563 of 1470 🔗

I’m so sorry. God rest your mum and console her devoted children.

How many awful tragedies like this one have these villainous brutes caused?

258701 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, #564 of 1470 🔗

Sending you hugs

258422 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #565 of 1470 🔗

Priti ‘if only you understood me I wouldn’t need to abuse you’ Patel

I thought that sort of stuff went out in the 1970’s

258434 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 1, #566 of 1470 🔗

What did this “abuse” (a word that can mean almost anything) consist of?

258442 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #567 of 1470 🔗

According to a note in the paper today the report will not be published.
Do you remember :” If you have nothing to fear you have nothing to hide”
Bullying , whether of Govt employees or the general citizenry seems to be the hallmark of this Govt, I think it is called “The New Normal”

258457 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mikewaite, 2, #568 of 1470 🔗

Bully is another of those words that can mean almost anything.

Absent actual behaviour, such as assault, the allegation is nothing more than mere rhetoric.

258445 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #569 of 1470 🔗

Being pissed off with lack of application of senior civil servants?

258459 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to OKUK, 2, #570 of 1470 🔗

I can’t help but think there may be some of that in there. Also some senior men struggle with assertive women which may have caused her to become somewhat “shrill”.
However, I no longer care because she has been such a useless and deceitful local MP to us. If she turns out to be the victim of some unfair criticism, well tough. What goes around comes around. I’d be backing her to the hilt if she’d backed her constituents up.

258482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to steph, 6, #571 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. That, imo, should be the attitude of all of us towards any of the Guilty Men who perpetrated this panic and lockdown atrocity when they are accused of anything, no matter how unfair or unreasonable.

They did nothing for us at the crucial decision points, why should we step up to defend them merely out of partisan loyalty or human sympathy?

Furthermore, anyone who supported the panic or the lockdown and has not fully repented and apologised is demonstrably unfit to govern, so any opportunity to remove any of them from office should be welcomed.

258516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mark, 3, #572 of 1470 🔗

Priti has presumably also deployed the bunch of thugs usually known as the Territorial Support Group. Not a nice person.

258597 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bugle, 1, #573 of 1470 🔗

Indeed. I don’t think anyone ever really pursued whether the alleged order to disperse lockdown protesters with violence came from the Home Office or the Mayor’s office.

258487 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, #574 of 1470 🔗

I don’t know if this has been mentioned/considered yet but could this whole ‘scandal’ lead to more LD scepticism from senior Whitehall civil service as the government is clearly intent on turning everyone against them?

258698 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 1, #575 of 1470 🔗

Strange to see Simon Dolan defending her

258429 CGL, replying to CGL, 2, #576 of 1470 🔗

Dr Lee – probably already posted, but hey-ho

258511 ▶▶ Jo, replying to CGL, #577 of 1470 🔗

Thanks, something for me to listen to while doing my exercises.

258431 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #578 of 1470 🔗

Is it not remarkable that the risk of dying with the coronavirus mirrors exactly the risk of dying even if the virus did not exist?

The relationship can be clearly seen from the graphs in this BMJ article https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3259
although the author does everything he can to try to pretend that the virus increases the risk slightly.

258449 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #579 of 1470 🔗

It is, but admitting that would make people think C19 is a largely unremarkable illness and the powers that be don’t want that.

258467 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Andy C, 2, #580 of 1470 🔗

Admitting it would mean acknowledging that the virus has had zero effect on mortality.

258455 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #581 of 1470 🔗

Even then he seems to say it is a years added risk. How do you interpret that statement? Is that QALY?

IFR for UK around 1.5% he reckons

258465 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #582 of 1470 🔗

Yes he really does work hard to support the official nonsense, but the data render his attempt in vain. The graphs make it obvious that the risk of dying is precisely the same as if the virus did not exist, which draws attention to the government’s messing with the long-standing rules on the completion of death certificates because what the data reflect is all that has changed is what is written on the death certificates.

258561 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #583 of 1470 🔗

The graphs make it obvious that the risk of dying is precisely the same as if the virus did not exist,

That is. not what the graphs show. They show that there was additional risk of dying during the 16 week period in question, and that additional risk was proportional to the normal risk of dying in the same period for most age groups.

258588 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #584 of 1470 🔗

I think you might like to re-read your own comment.

As even the author of the article, who does everything he can to support the official position, says:

the average risk of catching and then dying from the virus were roughly proportional to the average normal risk over the same period

The graphs show that the risk of dying mirrors the risk of dying even if the virus did not exist, which suggests that the government’s changing of the rules regarding the completion of death certificates may be highly significant in terms of the inflation of COVID deaths: something the author conveniently neglects to consider,

258642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Steve Hayes, -1, #585 of 1470 🔗

I said what I meant and meant what I said. It may be that you do not believe in the figures cited, but there is nothing in David Speigelhalter’sanalysis for cast intrinsic doubt on them.

258470 p02099003, #586 of 1470 🔗

TB for comparison :

The disease is 15 times more common in non-UK born people. It is particularly more frequent in those born in Africa and the Indian sub-continent. Eastern European countries also have high rates of TB.TB is uncommon in children, with the peak incidence being in young adults. In 2018, there was a total of 4655 cases notified in England, at a rate of 8.3 per 100 000 (latest data for England). Rates in all groups are declining.WHO reported that in 2018, an estimated 10.0 million people (1.1 million children) developed TB disease and 1.5 million (205 000 children) died. 33% of all HIV deaths were due to TB.

Clinical features The overwhelming majority of adults who are infected do not develop clinical disease. However, 50% of infants who are infected develop clinical disease, of whom 20-40% develop TB meningitis or disseminated disease.
Almost any organ of the body can be affected, but about half of cases have pulmonary disease, about 20% of whom also have extrapulmonary disease.
Symptoms may include a cough for three weeks or longer, coughing up blood (haemoptysis), fatigue, weight loss and night sweats.
Treatment is with multiple antibiotics for some months. Multidrug resistant strains occur in 1.6% of cases.
The mortality rate is of the order of 5%.

258472 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 6, #587 of 1470 🔗

I’m still enough of a leftist media snob to not read Breibart.

258506 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Caramel, 5, #588 of 1470 🔗

Your loss. Like the Telegraph, Spectator and Daily Mail, it does publish both some decent anti-lockdown stuff.

My personal view is that Breitbart is probably equivalently politically biased to the Guardian, but obviously on the right rather than the left, but it’s nowhere near as rigidly censored and ideologically controlled as the Guardian, and thus less profoundly boring. It’s by no means a free speech bastion, but its controls tend to be in more defined areas.

That said, it’s a few years since I read it much, so this might have changed. Nowadays I only follow links there for anti-lockdown stuff such as Delingpole’s pieces.

258593 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, -1, #589 of 1470 🔗

Breitbart is far right. I was horrified by one of their headlines a few years ago about a protest – ‘Left wing thugs attack Nazis’

258607 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ben, #590 of 1470 🔗

Attacking themselves I assume, certainly stupid enough.

258654 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 4, #591 of 1470 🔗

If you say so, and if the Guardian is “far left”. Just another label.

I was horrified by one of their headlines a few years ago about a protest – ‘Left wing thugs attack Nazis’

Not sure why this would be “horrifying” as a headline. Are you saying it was inaccurate?

First, whatever “Nazis” means (and it’s a term usually used with almost random application), it doesn’t nowadays mean people who were involved in the actual crimes committed by the actual original Nazis. At most, it might be people who express approval of those actions, or advocate for some of those policies to be followed now. Secondly, in either case, they are as entitled to hold their opinion and to protest in its name as anybody else, and it is not legitimate to physically attack them for doing so.

(There could be issues if they were actually calling for actual immediate attacks on actual eg jewish people, now, but I highly doubt that.)

If you are expressing the near universal leftist belief that political opinions they dislike sufficiently justify physical assaults against their holders, that is wrong, and extremely dangerous.

258695 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, -3, #592 of 1470 🔗

The Guardian is is not far left. FFS! It called for the Iraq War

258780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 2, #593 of 1470 🔗

So did half the Labour Party.

258604 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mark, #594 of 1470 🔗

Agree, though the ‘Wires’ section has become unreadable recently, used to a useful tour d’horizon . Politics is downstream from culture reamains a good guide. Telegraph, Spectator and Mail’s coverage of USA is abysmal but that applies to UK media generally.

258521 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Caramel, 7, #595 of 1470 🔗

Left and right don’t really mean much anymore – authoritarian vs libertarian is where it’s at these days!

258565 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jakehadlee, 3, #596 of 1470 🔗

Fascists in England, Stalinists in Wales, Sturgeons in Scotland, no difference to those on the receiving end.

258594 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 1, #597 of 1470 🔗

I feel sorry for the Scots. Sturgeon is relishing her role as dictator

258583 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #598 of 1470 🔗

Left and right, just two cheeks of the same arse.

258473 Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, 9, #599 of 1470 🔗

I received a personal letter from the NHS today reminding me to book a flu jab. I’d already been offered one by my GP surgery and had declined.

Accompanying the letter was another sheet of paper with the heading-
Help the NHS save money on letters like this

It continued –
You may not realise how much sending printed and posted letters to patients cost, but it runs easly into 100s of millions of pounds a year – and worse still the environment pays a very heavy price too!
Simply switching to digital communications will help reduce this expense.

It was followed by an invitation to scan a QR code to open a Secure Patient Communications Hub. Needless to say this was torn up.

I think we can all think of a better way the NHS can save money on letters like this!

258519 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Suitejb, 2, #600 of 1470 🔗

I got this letter a couple of days ago having declined the flu jab through my surgery.

Mine also told me how much carbon could be saved if everyone signed up to digital communications, 1,189.4 tonnes apparently.

258537 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Biggles, 7, #601 of 1470 🔗

Our household received multiple letters, text messages and phone calls trying to sell us a flu vaccine. This same surgery can barely be contacted over the phone and the last appointment my wife had over the phone which had taken hours to arrange was over in 5 minutes and she was left feeling she was not listened to and was fobbed off and is now looking for a private GP appointment.

I would suggest just ending the flu vaccine sales program might save most those tonnes. They are the only letters we have received this year.

I am not saying that the flu vaccine should not be made available to those who want it if it has been found to provide value for money(not that I trust the NHS to determine this anymore) but surely they should not become the sales and marketing arm of pharmaceutical companies.

258585 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #602 of 1470 🔗

Selling statins is the other money making scheme. Went for a ‘health check’ a while back, told I was fat and drank too much but that amazingly (thought I detected a look of surprise and disappointment) my cholesterol was fine so no statins. Decided I didn’t need to repeat the experience. I stick to things that seem on balance worthwhile; pneumonia jab, abdominal aorta scan, colon cancer sample.

258589 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Biggles, #603 of 1470 🔗

How much money can be saved by not splitting it amongst Tory cronies?

258520 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Suitejb, 2, #604 of 1470 🔗

Yesterday after 5 or 6 such text reminders I got a phone call from my GP surgery. They could not possibly want to taĺk about anything else so naturally I did not pick up.
Following yet another text perhaps they will now get the message and leave me alone.

258525 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Suitejb, 1, #605 of 1470 🔗

Are not these the same people who just got through spending months using the phrase “just flu”?

258639 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Suitejb, 2, #606 of 1470 🔗

You beat us to it! We got the same one (a copy each, of course, 2 sheets of paper plus postage).

What a great scam – to save the NHS money, just scan in this nice QR code and give your data to the ‘Secure Patient Communication Hub’. Not ‘alf!

Our letters have also been filed and we don’t use smart phones. We will not be getting any vaccines in the near future, thank you!

We were so tempted to suggest ways that money could be saved, not least the £100bn on Operation Moonshot for all those millions of tests on healthy people that are so essential to contain this mild and mostly-disappeared virus. MW

258488 Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 9, #607 of 1470 🔗

I sense the narrative is changing. I’m cynical as to why but that doesn’t really matter…

In the past week we’ve had:

1) 25% of people have pre-existing immunity (post is a month old but only made headlines this week. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/936461/EDSAB-HOME_study-details-research-protocol-outputs_18-11-20.pdf

2) no evidence that face masks work (Danksmask study discussed in lockdown sceptics)

3) no evidence of asymptomatic spread https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

258513 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Suburbian, 6, #608 of 1470 🔗

Been out and about for five hours today, shopping districts are quiet but not empty.
al fresco Masking is down to less than 25% (50% two weeks ago).
Yesterday in the University masks were almost entirely absent except for a few Chinese students.

On the downside, “Fairy Tale From New York” is on the naughty step because someone found out ‘faggot’ does not refer to meatballs or kindling.

Pogue Mahon (Gaelic sp?)

258560 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #609 of 1470 🔗

Where I live, you have faggots for lunch, with mushy peas and gravy, generally on a Wednesday.

258682 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to annie, #610 of 1470 🔗


258563 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, #611 of 1470 🔗

first time round BBC insisted they change to maggot (but were happy with arse)

258674 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, #612 of 1470 🔗

realised i am wrong … there was a version by Ronan Keating where they changed it to “old and haggard”

259222 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mjr, #613 of 1470 🔗

freekin melon farmers

258543 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Suburbian, 2, #614 of 1470 🔗

The Danish Mask study and the follow up by the lead scientist show that certain people just can’t square the circle that theory very often is not matched with reality.

If as he believes wearing a mask properly may have an effect, it makes no use if in the real world masks are worn in various ways. And when you measure the real world it doesn’t fit your preconceptions.

The same as the “virus”. If you broadbrush Covid over everything, use inaccurate tests and testing procedures and have a heavy dose of confirmation bias, don’t be surprised if the real world doesn’t act like you think.

Like the saying: If you meet someone and they’re an asshole, then they may be an asshole. If everyone you meet is an asshole, YOU’RE the asshole.

258569 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mhcp, 5, #615 of 1470 🔗

I’ve just seen an elderly lady whilst waiting for an approaching bus reach into her little 4 wheeled shopping trolley pull out her blue dish rag sorry face covering and while trying to hold an umbrella in her other hand put on her blue dish rag. Poor old dear was knackered.

If it wasn’t jogging past and if it wasn’t so tragic I would of given her a round of applause.

Does that count as properly putting on and wearing a mask?

258491 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #616 of 1470 🔗

I am currently following an official online course for undertaking vaccinations.
This is from the legal part.
There are essentially three key requirements from a legal and governance perspective that immunisers need to have in place before they can give a vaccine:

  1. Consent: Informed consent from the patient or an appropriate alternative person if the patient can not legally give consent
  2. Process for safe medicines administration: There needs to be a legal framework in place to supply and/or administer a vaccine, which is a prescription only medicine (POM)
  3. Knowledge and skills: Finally, immunisers need to have the knowledge and skills to offer information and administer vaccinations

They also need to have support and governance in place to make sure they can deliver safe care. This session has been designed to address these issues.
Do I have permission to carry out this activity?

  • Has the patient/the patient’s representative given their consent?
  • Am I indemnified by my employer or, if self-employed, have I arranged indemnity insurance?

What governance is in place for me to give this medicine?

  • Is there a prescription, Patient Specific Direction (PSD) or Patient Group Direction (PGD) or other process in place to give a Prescription Only Medicine?
  • Am I confident that the records are stored and kept appropriately?

Then this is from the Green Book from the government:

There is no legal requirement for consent to immunisation to be in writing and a signature on a consent form is not conclusive proof that consent has been given, but serves to record the decision and the discussions that have taken place with the patient or the person giving consent on a child’s behalf.
The giving and obtaining of consent is viewed as a process, not a one-off event. Consent obtained before the occasion upon which a child is brought for immunisation is only an agreement for the child to be included in the immunisation programme and does not mean that consent is in place for each future immunisation. Consent should still be sought on the occasion of each immunisation visit.
Consent must be given voluntarily and freely. The individual must be informed about the process, benefits and risks of immunisation and be able to communicate their decision. Information given should be relevant to the individual patient, properly explained and questions should be answered fully.
Consent remains valid unless the individual who gave it withdraws it. If there is new information between the time consent was given and when the immunisation is offered, it may be necessary to inform the patient and for them to re-confirm their consent. This includes new evidence of risk, new immunisations (e.g. pneumococcal vaccine) becoming available or where there is a significant change in the individual’s condition, such as treatment for cancer.

The Nursing and Midwifery Council’s Code of Professional Conduct: standards for conduct, performance and ethics paragraph 1.3 (NMC, 2004: http://www.nmc-uk.org/aFrameDisplay.aspx?DocumentID=201 ) states that ‘ You are personally accountable for your practice. This means that you are answerable for your actions and omissions, regardless of advice or directions from another professional. ’ Giving an immunisation without consent could leave the health professional vulnerable to legal action and action by their regulatory body.

And finally for schools

Where immunisations are routinely offered in the school setting,* the situation differs depending on the age and competence of the individual child or young person. Information leaflets should be available for the child’s own use and to share with their parents prior to the date that the immunisation is scheduled.
Young people aged 16 and 17 are presumed, in law, to be able to consent to their own medical treatment. Younger children who understand fully what is involved in the proposed procedure (referred to as ‘Gillick competent’) can also give consent, although ideally their parents will be involved.
If a person aged 16 or 17 or a Gillick-competent child consents to treatment, a parent cannot override that consent.
If the health professional giving the immunisation felt a child was not Gillick competent then the consent of someone with parental responsibility would be sought.
If a person aged 16 or 17 or a Gillick-competent child refuses treatment that refusal should be accepted. It is unlikely that a person with parental responsibility could overrule such a refusal. It is possible that the court might overrule a young person’s refusal if an application to court is made under section 8 of the Children Act 1989 or the inherent jurisdiction of the High Court.
There is no requirement for consent to be in writing.

258497 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 6, #617 of 1470 🔗

Informed consent is all well and good but what about when that consent is only given to preserve your employment or access to your children?

258508 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, 3, #618 of 1470 🔗


258518 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 6, #619 of 1470 🔗

I think we need to call their bluff on this one. It would be tantamount to apartheid

258577 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #620 of 1470 🔗

If a large enough number refuse the vaccine, what can HMG do? If a small number refuse, they will become a leper class.

258500 ▶▶ Jo, replying to p02099003, 4, #621 of 1470 🔗

Oh what a Golden Age! When the sensible rules were clearly laid out. The new laws they will bring it will rip up those key requirements within a blink of Hancock’s eye.

258517 ▶▶ Felice, replying to p02099003, 3, #622 of 1470 🔗

Very useful to know. Thanks.

258542 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Felice, 4, #623 of 1470 🔗


Especially the bit:

You are personally accountable for your practice. This means that you are answerable for your actions and omissions, regardless of advice or directions from another professional.

I envisage this would mean that if instructed to give a vaccination without consent by a current government the instruction could be re-examined by a future government/legal system, and if found to be an illegal instruction the medical professional could be held personably liable for the breach.

Anyone with the intelligence to be a medical professional should surely have the sense not give a vaccination against someone’s will, no matter what being told by other authorities at the time.

258625 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 2, #624 of 1470 🔗

We have have read more than once here at LS from medics saying they and their colleagues will not be taking it.

258523 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to p02099003, 6, #625 of 1470 🔗

Under the current regime is it even possible for most to give informed consent.

“The individual must be informed about the process, benefits and risks of immunisation”

The benefits of the immunisation are surely a product of its effectiveness and the danger posed by the disease its attempting to prevent. While the vast majority believe this to be one of the most deadly viruses ever to have existed(which presumably they do as they are seem to be willing to give up everything they had to be ‘protected’ from it) they cannot give informed consent.

Surely to get informed consent the individual must first be educated about the true risk posed to them by this disease and it must also be confirmed that they actually understand this while they are also being subjected to constant miss representation through what most consider trusted sources of information.

Is it possible to obtain informed consent at all in the present environment?

258535 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #626 of 1470 🔗

Not to mention how can they possibly be ‘informed’ about 3 or 4 or 10 rushed, new, untested vaccines ?

258524 ▶▶ calchas, replying to p02099003, 9, #627 of 1470 🔗

Informed consent:

Spend 8 months scaring people to death, whilst holding them hostage, hold up a syringe, and say “This will save you”

258528 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 6, #628 of 1470 🔗

I suspect the Coronavirus Act will have many provisions allowing for car park attendants or tank operators to now start delivering vaccines in shopping centres.

258553 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #629 of 1470 🔗

Syringe alongside petrol pump.

258556 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, 1, #630 of 1470 🔗

I’ll have the unleaded

258559 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #631 of 1470 🔗

St John’s Ambulance is being used to help the roll out, and they are about to launch a massive recruitment campaign for more people.

258554 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to p02099003, 2, #633 of 1470 🔗

If laws can be implemented over-night to enforce lockdown, you can guarantee the Government already has something up their sleeve to nullify the existing legalities you’ve generously highlighted above. They will have their lawyers combing through this stuff day and night on extortionate wages paid to them courtesy of the slavish tax payer.

258568 ▶▶ Ben, replying to p02099003, 6, #634 of 1470 🔗

Consent includes an absence of coercion or threats. For example, removal of welfare benefits, health care, employment and travel rights for refusing vaccinations invalidates ‘consent’. Threats are not consent. Even pressurising someone to decide is not consent

Anyone who administers vaccines on someone against their will is participating in crimes against humanity

258598 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to p02099003, 5, #635 of 1470 🔗

One of the most curious statements made by Hancock is when he stated GP s are going to be very busy giving the rona vaccination. it ranks along the statement from SAGE that they had no idea that care workers tend to work in multiple care homes . I have to confess in my years in medicine I have only on occasion given the flu jab to a patient and only if they asked me nicely and fulfilled the criteria . I have always left the flu jabs to the Health Care Assistents who are swift and keen for the weekend double pay.

I have never had the flu jab myself as I have thought I have an adequate immune system which is challenged daily by patients with their coughs and cold. Admittedly this last twelve months I had a feverish mild flu last Christmas which paracetamol did the trick and also a nasty high feverish illness in February which I am convinced was Covid19.

So in terms of logistics the vaccination program for covid really isn’t a big challenge, and there are many HCAs on £11 an hour who are happy to give the jab. I have surveyed quite a lot of my colleagues now . Take up rate among doctors on the ” front line ” will be about 25-30 % . Concerns revolve around the RNA vaccine and there being only 3 months of safey data.

258644 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #636 of 1470 🔗

Did either of those flu-like viral infections leave you with a long-lasting cough?
Did you encounter many of your patients who had such a viral infection at the beginning of the year, and if so,do you know what it was, i.e. CV19 or not??

258652 ▶▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Lms23, 1, #637 of 1470 🔗

The February fever left me with an irritating dry cough for 10 days. There was no mass testing in the UK until mid April.

258686 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #638 of 1470 🔗

I had flu in 2018 and I felt terrible for a few months afterwards. But my freedoms and civil liberties weren’t trashed. I could still live my life freely

I would give anything to go back to those days – even if I felt terrible

258495 Jo, replying to Jo, 2, #639 of 1470 🔗

My friend is an editor for the FT and sends me some articles. In one today, they were criticising lockdown sceptics and alluded to Toby’s tweet which he had to correct, because he got it wrong to the power of ten.
I remember this but was reading other stuff at the time but revisited today. The FT said that the IFR for flu is much lower than for Covid (0.5-1.00%). But according to Jon Ioaniddis who did the widely accepted peer-reviewed paper on this subject it is on average 0.23%. Whilst it is higher (up to 5.3%) for locations where there is a higher death rate, and of course varies with age, I still can’t see that it is anywhere near as high as FT making out.
Also nice BMJ article which tends to back this up.

If anyone has helpful insights to clarify matters for me, would be much appreciated.

258505 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Jo, 1, #640 of 1470 🔗

I don’t know whether this helps,
history of influenza In the last 100 years, there have been four influenza pandemics:

  • 1918 with c. 50 million deaths or more
  • 1957 with about 2 million deaths
  • 1968 with about 1-2 million deaths
  • 2009 with about a quarter of a million deaths

The disease occurs mainly in the winter months, in both northern and southern hemispheres.

Signs and symptoms:

Some infected people do not have symptoms. Those with symptoms typically have a sudden onset of fever, malaise, sore throat, cough, headache and muscle pains.

Children may be hospitalised because the symptoms are similar to sepsis. Secondary bacterial pneumonia and convulsions are relatively common. Myocarditis and encephalitis may also occur.

Children and adults with underlying medical conditions are more likely to have severe complications and die from influenza, however, half of the children who die were previously well.

During flu pandemics, the elderly may be less likely to get ‘flu and mortality is relatively high in the fit and healthy.

Disease due to the C strain tends to be less severe.

Not only are pregnant women themselves at increased risk of mortality and morbidity if they catch ‘flu, but the baby is more likely to be born early and of low birth weight. Perinatal mortality is higher.

258551 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 4, #641 of 1470 🔗

Bear in mind the total deaths figures quoted above are not adjusted for the huge changes in world population so you’d need to do that before comparing with covid figures

I think latest US CDC estimate for covid IFR is around 0.3%, but the WHO I think said they thought around 10 times more people had been exposed than had been recorded as positive “cases” so you’d need to multiply the case figure by 10 and compare to total deaths to get a more realistic figure.

The trouble is that figures for flu and covid are more guesswork than fact so really you need to look at all-cause mortality and see the impact of covid compared to previous years, and if you do that you’ll find the impact is within normal parameters of variance taken over a few decades

258581 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to p02099003, 2, #642 of 1470 🔗

600,000 approx die of flu every year. Then there’s heart disease, cancer, etc

258514 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jo, 6, #643 of 1470 🔗

It is really impossible to calculate a death rate, because the death statistics are fabricated, including all of those who died, who tested positive – plus in some cases people who weren’t even tested at all.

The Ioanniddis figure is therefore the very maximum – and therefore probably massively exaggerated. No criticism of him intended.He has to work with the figures he has.

Science depends on reliable measurement.

258515 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo, 2, #644 of 1470 🔗

You might like to consider the World Health Organisation says there are fifty-eight million confirmed cases and just over a million coronavirus related deaths. And then reflect that there will many people who are symptomatic and many of the coronavirus deaths are with not of the virus. Thus, the number for infected should be substantially higher and the number for the deaths significantly lower. Taking these into consideration suggests an infection fatality rate around the normal flu rate of 0.1%

258530 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo, 1, #645 of 1470 🔗

Overall annual mortality is all that really matters. We will be vindicated in January unless ONS cook the books which thus far they have not done.

258541 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 5, #646 of 1470 🔗

This year there were no so called excess deaths (ie, above the five yearly average) until after the imposition of the lockdown measures – and those measures have killed people, are killing people, and will kill people.

258618 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #647 of 1470 🔗

Agreed, suicides and death by NHS neglect, it’s presenting those excess as covids that I meant by ‘cooking the books’.

258557 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #648 of 1470 🔗

Even that is not a reliable indicator for this year due to lockdown and withdrawal of care to vulnerable people.How many died who shouldn’t have this year

258573 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #649 of 1470 🔗

That has to be balanced by the numbers of the vulnerable who died in the April spike, having managed to survive an extra year because of the weak previous ‘flu season.

The penalties of Lockdown will be slower to emerge.

258549 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo, 3, #650 of 1470 🔗

If the FT don’t account for the WHO/Ioannidis median estimate of 0.23% for covid overall, then they are being dishonest. Simple as that. There is no defence, if they claim to be discussing covid versus flu overall, for trying to pretend that is somehow not part of the scientific opinion. So to be minimally honest they would need to say at least that it is estimated at 0.2-1% or some such

Whereas flu includes pandemic flus, and the 1918 flu is often estimated at 2-3% ifr and above, so again, it is just a statement of established fact to say that covid falls in the flu range as far as fatality is concerned.

More problematic is asking whether covid falls in the seasonal flu range, and at present it seems slightly higher, but certainly within an order of magnitude, and with an age attack profile that makes it significantly less harmful to society overall, in terms of deaths.

Overall, the fact that death numbers do not seem to be hugely out of proporton with past “bad flu years”, irrespective of lockdown nonsense, would seem to suggest a strong case for classing it in te same bracket.

258552 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jo, 4, #651 of 1470 🔗

It won’t ‘help’, but it’s not about a virus. It’s about the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset – a global fascist coup. I wish it was about a virus

258503 MJohnson, replying to MJohnson, #652 of 1470 🔗


258671 ▶▶ stevie, replying to MJohnson, 1, #653 of 1470 🔗

positive 🙂

258509 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 18, #654 of 1470 🔗

I would give my left arm for all this nonsense to be a result of incompetence and opportunist profiteering.

Good people will always try and find the goodness in someone else (in particular, their motivations), not the evil. The majority of us can’t fathom ill-intentions because the majority of us live relatively decent lives and wish to find the enjoyment in living those lives.

I’ve been guilty of dismissing other’s opinions as being ‘conspiracy theory’ nonsense because I too seek the goodness in those that mould our way of life. But how many coincidences and observations can my logical brain continue to dismiss?

I can’t help the niggling feeling that we’ll never see another election again. Not because they’re currently able to ban them under the Coronavirus Act (yes, you read that right), but because the silence in opposition is deafening.

To me, the self-harming actions the government have taken, irrespective of incompetence, are politically suicidal. If I told you 2 years ago we’d be where we are, looking down the barrel of a syringe, you’d not only be justified to whack me with a roll of Baco, you’d logically jump on the opposition wagon and fill your boots:

10 years of austerity, cuts in all public services for a decade to save £30 billion, then borrow that in March followed by hundreds of billions in April?

Draconian measures that destroy businesses, jobs and livelihoods? (Don’t the unions exist to prevent this kind of thing?)

Dubious payments to companies in procurement?

Never once calling out questionable and ambiguous data?

Just one of the above would normally be screamed to kingdom come. I heard Starmer utter something about his displeasure at potential misappropriation of funds and the lack of competitive tender, but under normal circumstances he wouldn’t have shut up about it, if only to try and score some future points come election time. Other than that, tumbleweed.

Politically, we have two hopes (no, not Bob and no). The first is the hope that Tory rebels can kick up a big enough stink before the injections start and get some sort of guarantee that refusal will never result in the loss of any freedoms (a sentence I never thought I’d be able to utter, especially so soon after Remembrance Day) – because once we jump on that slippery slope, protest will soon become civil disobedience, swiftly followed by rioting and looting, then the inevitable martial law. Then, if the Queen’s tears and thoughts demonstrated on every 11th November have meant anything, our only peaceful hope left will be her stepping in and dissolving this debacle. Bearing in mind the next in line’s position on this, he may as well be called Bob.

We’ve been duped into thinking world war 3 will be between nations, not the nations against the state.

For the sake of mine and everyone else’s children, please let it be incompetence.

For the sake of our freedom please find our parliamentary opposition and assault them with foil in the shade of The Cenotaph.

I genuinely can’t believe I’ve written this. A grown man with tears in his eyes and hope in his heart. I don’t like where this is going, but I’d sure as hell die trying to stop it, for your kid’s as well as mine.

258640 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jez Hewitt, 12, #655 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. I’m terrified

The world is on a knife edge. Every country is reading from the same script. Global fascism wrapped in the euphemism ‘The Great Reset’ becomes more real as each day passes. That people can’t see it terrifies me. As you say – no resistance from the unions

But throughout all of this nightmare I remind myself that there are sincerely good people in the world (not the fake ‘good’ people)

258527 p02099003, 4, #656 of 1470 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-55018081 a neonate being tested for SARS-COV-2, why?
The baby would have antibodies from its mother.
A 7 week preterm child has weakened lungs.
Personally I find this story both disturbing and scaremongering.

258533 alw, 6, #657 of 1470 🔗

Posted Cal Heneghen’s Speccie article on FB and amazingly still there.

258539 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 8, #658 of 1470 🔗

From the Health Feedback ‘fact-check’. They quote an epidemiologist from Wollongong (no less..):-

We can actually use two numbers, called specificity and sensitivity, to see the exact rate of tests that are ‘right’ in a population. The specificity of COVID-19 PCR tests is the ratio of true negatives to false positives+true negatives, which works out to about 99.9%. In other words, for every 1,000 people you test who truly don’t have the disease, you get 1 test that is falsely positive. Sensitivity is the ratio of true positives to false negatives+true positives, and while this is also high it’s not quite as high as specificity, averaging out around 98% or thereabouts. This means that for every 1,000 people you test who do have a coronavirus infection, you’ll miss about 20 true cases.

Let’s imagine a population where about 50 in 1,000 people actually have COVID-19. You test all of them with PCR tests. Of the 950 people without the disease, you’ll get an average of one false positive test. Of the 50 people who do in fact have the disease, you’ll miss 1 person, which means 49 true positives. In this case, 98% of all positives are true positives, with just 1/49 tests being a false positive. You’ll also have missed one true positive, so your estimated prevalence — the proportion of people who you think have COVID-19 — is actually correct at 50/1,000.

Even with very low numbers of infections, the spectacularly high specificity of PCR tests means that you almost never have more false positives than true positives. If we repeat the calculation for a situation where only 50 in 10,000 people have COVID-19 in our sample, we still find 49 true positives and 10 false positives, which means our ‘correct’ percentage is now 83% — still very high, given the low population prevalence in the people we’re testing. In real life, it’s rare that so few of the people we test actually have the disease, because we target testing at those with symptoms and who think that they might be getting sick.

This is absolute baloney.
This starts from a premise that PCR specificity is 99.9%, and say that the PCR test has ‘spectacularly high specificity’!
They don’t provide any evidence in the piece to support the assertion that specificity is 99.9%.

This meta-analysis (which the Lancet also quoted as a figure) found that the FPR in the real world (due in large part to operator error and cross-contamination) was between 0.8-4.0%.


And the Health Feedback piece didn’t even begin to look at the issue of Ct values.
We know that the UK uses 45 cycles, and simply fails to report at what cycle threshold a positive detection is made. And helpfully, Mr Fauci told the world that any positive detection above 30-35 cycles is likely to be picking up nothing but dead nucleotides…

Their comments about antibodies are also very wide of the mark:-

Yeadon’s dismissal of antibodies as “probably not very important” is not in line with the well-established role of antibodies in antiviral defense . Antibodies can bind to certain proteins on the surface of the virus to prevent it from infecting cells. In fact, a key purpose of most preventative vaccines against infectious diseases, including the COVID-19 vaccines that are being developed , is to ultimately enable the body to produce antibodies that prevent the pathogen from causing infection.

They fail to tell us that antibody protection is typically transient, whereas T-cell mediated immunity is persistent over many years. (And that’s why vaccine protection may not last long…)

I thus score the Health Feedback piece as following: Egregious Misinformation .

258548 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #659 of 1470 🔗

It’s also lies. As a test is not just the appartus for a specific part, it’s the whole chain of the procedures and handling. All must be characterised and calibrated to give a systematic error. So it doesn’t matter if the PCR bit is actually very accurate. If the samples going in are compromised it will just give you a very good picture of shite.

258550 ▶▶ annie, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #660 of 1470 🔗

Get it off Arsebook, Youtube, etc.!

258558 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Kevin 2, #661 of 1470 🔗

Philosophy Department of the University of Woolamaloo would have made more sense.

258576 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #662 of 1470 🔗

thanks, Bruce. get back to the sheepdip

258566 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #663 of 1470 🔗

A lot of places use the same ‘fact checker’ for PCR tests. He produces a very well laid out document for viewing, and it sounds so good it can’tbe wrong. But it is in several ways. Quite why anyone would think this guy from somewhere in Australia knows more than the likes of Yeadon or Heneghan is beyond me. But of course they WANT to belive him. He could be writing utter crap they would still accept it because it gives them amunition against the sceptics.

258622 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #664 of 1470 🔗

“In real life, it’s rare that so few of the people we test actually have the disease, because we target testing at those with symptoms and who think that they might be getting sick.””

Not true. They’re now testing people who go into hospital for any reason, nothing to do with CV19, and anyone who is due to go in for any procedure. I don’t know if they’re testing ahead of ordinary outpatient appointments, but I will in the next few weeks…..

258637 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Lms23, #665 of 1470 🔗

Am I right in thinking that in the Liverpool pilot, each testee is tested by lateral flow for quick result, and also gives a sample for send-off PCR test?
I think I read this somewhere.
If so, then the next question would be about the concordance between the results of each test.
One suspects that the quick result lateral flow will be much more accurate, thereby allowing for the PCR test to be consigned into the bin of history.
Though something tells me it won’t pan out like that..

258540 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 54, #666 of 1470 🔗

Just sent a FOI appeal to the Metropolitan Police:

“With reference to the FOI request reference 01/FOI/20/XXXXX I wish to appeal.

You claim that the Metropolitan Police Service does not hold the information requested on non-UK nationals working for the Metropolitan Police Service.

This is unacceptable as all employers (Government agencies etc included) must check, record and maintain on file the right to work in the UK status of every employee – existing or new application – whether they are permanent, temporary, contracted, sub-contracted or seconded and/or of short-term duration to that company or organisation.

Please find the link to Government Guidance on the issue:


Not checking this status nor maintaining the records of above said checks is contravention of the Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006 with penalties including:

  • a civil penalty of up to £20,000 per illegal worker;
  • in serious cases, a criminal conviction carrying a prison sentence of up to 5 years
  • and an unlimited fine;
  • closure of the business and a compliance order issued by the court;
  • disqualification as a director;
  • not being able to sponsor migrants;
  • seizure of earnings made as a result of illegal working;

So I request the following information that the Metropolitan Police Service should have as it is a legal obligation of being an employer and the information should be readily available with the relevant department within your organisation:

How many officers serving with the Metropolitan Police Service are NOT holders of a UK passport?

How many non-UK passport holders serve in the Territorial Support Group (TSG)?

A breach of the law by an organisation as large and as high-profile as the Metropolitan Police Service is a very serious matter and shows that either they have no regard for the law, think they are above the law or have no understanding of the law nor of their legal obligations under the law and may warrant further investigation by the relevant authorities.”

258547 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #667 of 1470 🔗

I wonder how Foetida Dick will like that?

258564 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #668 of 1470 🔗

You are a genius.

258574 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #669 of 1470 🔗

Excellent work!

258582 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #670 of 1470 🔗

Many thanks to you, AG.

258602 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #671 of 1470 🔗

Just popping out to bang some pots and pans for AG.

258611 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #672 of 1470 🔗

Brilliantly Awkward

258612 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #673 of 1470 🔗

Having got upfront and personal with the TSG twice in Trafalgar Sq and Speakers Corner, even to the extent of physical contact, it would certainly appear that some of their number are far from fluent in English. In my experience, information holders are on occasions entirely happy to be disingenuous but I congratulate you on your tenacity, well done.

258629 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #674 of 1470 🔗

See if David Kurten will get behind this. With any luck he’s the next Mayor.

258648 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Simon, 2, #675 of 1470 🔗

I sincerely hope so, but at the same time, I’m not very optimistic about it.

258656 ▶▶ rose, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #676 of 1470 🔗


258662 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #677 of 1470 🔗


259275 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Awkward Git, -2, #678 of 1470 🔗

This is such a load of rubbish. Why don’t you just google your query? David Blunkett changed this rule in 2001. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-88244/Foreign-recruits-join-police.html
Obviously they record how people have the legal right to work in the UK, but your question is fatally flawed because you are mistakenly under some strange belief that those dirty foreigners aren’t allowed in. Have you been living under a rock for the last 20 years?
No wonder this country is so full of bigots and others claim they feel unwelcome. Can you keep your embarrassing Nationalism to yourself and your keep this page for lockdown skepticism please or we’ll get tarred with the same brush.

259327 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #679 of 1470 🔗

What in particular is a load of rubbish ?

Which rule was changed, and why is that relevant ?

It does sound as though you might have picked up some stick or other by the wrong end.

258571 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #680 of 1470 🔗


The Premier League is close to agreeing a blueprint with the Government to add Covid-19 vaccine records to a digital health passport which may fast-track the return of crowds next year.

258600 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #681 of 1470 🔗

Sounds like more first division nonsense, possibly an own goal. Hard to believe that there will be sufficient uptake to maintain profitability, but you never know; of course, they have to try.

258619 ▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #682 of 1470 🔗

Let’s hope it goes down as well as Ticketmaster did.

258638 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to DRW, 2, #683 of 1470 🔗

Or kneeling in obeisance to BLM….

258575 Ben, replying to Ben, 3, #684 of 1470 🔗
258584 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 3, #685 of 1470 🔗

But that would mean unqualified, ignorant oiks having a say in important matters of governance!

Are you mad, or evil? Didn’t you see what happened in the Brexit referendum or in the US presidential election in 2016 when such people were empowered to interfere in matters they are entirely unqualified for?

It’s just not safe to rely entirely on massive propaganda spend and media/big tech control of discourse. That might work sometimes, but it doesn’t work reliably enough for such important matters.

258596 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mark, 3, #686 of 1470 🔗

There will never be another referendum in this country. Digitus flammabilius!

258626 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, 5, #687 of 1470 🔗

The destruction of the economy, civil liberties, health care. The untold suffering in the country from lockdown rules. The suicides, the unemployment, destroyed education. Destroyed lives. All in the name of the Great Reset… That’s evil

258591 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Ben, 5, #688 of 1470 🔗

What do you think a referendum is going to achieve? Most people are ignorant towards politics. They think socialism sounds like a great idea. “Well, it’s all about being fair to eachother, isn’t it?” I’m all about the will of the people, but we’re in the middle of an international propaganda campaign which involves almost all mainstream news and social media networks. Not only is the public ignorant about the subject, but it is being actively mislead. A referendum will only produce the result WEF wants it to produce.

258606 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #689 of 1470 🔗

If the people should not be allowed to determine public policy, who should?

259024 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #690 of 1470 🔗

I didn’t say people shouldn’t determine public policy. I said people should be informed before determining public policy.

258649 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #691 of 1470 🔗

Do you think a bunch of Davos billionaires are imposing socialism? Really?

259023 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Ben, #692 of 1470 🔗

Yes. Because historically socialism is only a system that’s imposed on the masses. The rich only get richer. While everyone was starving in Soviet Russia, the party lived in luxury. The same in Cuba, and the same in Venezuela. In case you haven’t noticed, all the laws and all the rules made by those Davos billionaires never apply to them, only to us.

258578 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #693 of 1470 🔗

They used fake data to put us all into lockdown. What makes you think they won’t fake the data again to make it look like the drop in cases that was happening before the lockdown is actually due to the lockdown? They’ll just come out and say: “Lockdown has been a huge success. Look how cases are dropping. Due to the new covid strains coming out it is only sensible to continue this lockdown until further notice.” This is what’s going to happen in January.

258590 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #694 of 1470 🔗

Yep. Once you’ve got the plebs lapping up lies, you can carry on indefinitely. After all, you can lie about anything, can’t you?

258610 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #695 of 1470 🔗

You can fool all the people’s of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool everyone indefinitely…..

258627 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Lms23, 2, #696 of 1470 🔗

No.. but you can try!

258620 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #697 of 1470 🔗

It’s not about a virus

258592 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 19, #698 of 1470 🔗

Just reading that the NHS are tired, so the whole of the country must remain shutdown according to the head of the NHS. What a total joke these marxists are

258599 ▶▶ l835, replying to Iansn, 14, #699 of 1470 🔗

The nurses were having a lovely time laughing and joking when I was in hospital this week. Maybe they are tired because they have to get up early to take advantage of the special opening hours for them at the supermarkets?

258609 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to l835, 17, #700 of 1470 🔗

They’re also tired because they do 12 hour shifts,which are not a good idea, even if they do get four days off afterwards. You can’t maintain full concentration and energy levels after about 8 hours.

In addition,a lot of them are “sheltering at home” because they’re “vulnerable” i.e. fat.

258632 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Lms23, 7, #701 of 1470 🔗

after breaking my elbow seriously I had a lot of outpatient visits. Over 80% of the female staff were clinically obese, and could hardly waddle around the clinic.

258706 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lms23, 3, #702 of 1470 🔗

Personally I like working 12 hour shifts. They can be tiring but bring with them the benefit of fewer handovers, which can be a source of errors.

259039 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Lms23, #703 of 1470 🔗

I beg to differ. The whole point of the 12 hour shift is do that you only need one handover within 24hrs.
I know from experience that each time there is a handover, there is the probability of missing important information. Think about it. You have to provide a full verbal report on each patient on the ward to the next staff nurse during handover.

258603 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Iansn, 14, #704 of 1470 🔗

On BBC Breakfast this morning they had on one of the seemingly infinite NHS senior executives. She told us: “We’re in the middle of Winter, that’s a lot of pressure.” I have heard the expression about someone not knowing what day it is, but, as far as I know, no one ever bothered to invent an expression about someone so ignorant and gormless that they didn’t know what season it is.

258605 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Iansn, 5, #705 of 1470 🔗

CNN’s Chris Cuomo slams New York City school closures: ‘It’s all fear and not enough fact’

(Chris Cuomo is the brother of New York Governor, Andrew Cuomo).

They are a total joke, so what’s the betting the teachers union try the same thing here???

258621 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lms23, 3, #706 of 1470 🔗

Let’s not forget just what a hypocritical scumbag panicker Cuomo is, though.

Tucker calls out CNN’s Chris Cuomo’s blatant mask hypocrisy

258690 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Mark, #707 of 1470 🔗

Chris Cuomo is a total clown. In June as CNN aired footage of Democrat cities literally burning and businesses facing looters, he says, essentially, ‘So what, tell me exactly where it’s written down that protestors are supposed to be polite!’. Few days later he then goes on a screaming rant about Trump with “proof” of systemic racism throughout the whole country – only he used data from 2016…when someone who is not Trump was definitely President!

258776 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #708 of 1470 🔗

Clown, hypocrite, scumbag.

Cuomo is all of these. Kind of an American Piers Morgan, I suppose.

258744 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Lms23, 1, #709 of 1470 🔗

They are a joke family. Anyone who hasn’t should look up the brothers bickering live on-air about who was the favourite child.

The Cuomo’s are a rich powerful family in New York with a very dubious history. I believe their father ran for office in the 70s with a slogan of ‘vote for Cuomo, not for the homo’ , they don’t like that mentioned.

Unsurprisingly the family own lots of New York property and I am sure they will take full advantage of the the bargain prices the policies are causing.

258608 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Iansn, 1, #710 of 1470 🔗

We pay for this shit.

258623 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Iansn, 6, #711 of 1470 🔗

He won’t think that when no one can pay taxes anymore to fund his enormous salary, because we’ve all lost our jobs.

Imagine if a private business acted like that? Oh sorry, we need all you customers to go away for a few months, because we’ve been busy and we’re all a bit tired.

They think they can get away with anything now, because they’re heroes and we all clapped for them back in the spring.

258710 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to A. Contrarian, #712 of 1470 🔗

Yep agree. So they’v had to do some proper work then.

258728 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to A. Contrarian, #713 of 1470 🔗

they still have their goldplated pensions what ever happens

258763 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Iansn, #714 of 1470 🔗

They must be stripped of those and any other financial gains they’ve made while in office in any capacity.

258672 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Iansn, 1, #715 of 1470 🔗

It was Saffron Cordery, deputy head who said this. Have a look who her husband is. Another case like Dildo Harding https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/aug/07/chris-hopson-nhs-keel-over-2016

258595 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 2, #716 of 1470 🔗

A change of tack? Am wondering if Cummings has relieved the grenade of its pin?


258631 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jez Hewitt, 2, #717 of 1470 🔗

8.5k comments 99.86% sceptic

258634 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Jez Hewitt, 4, #718 of 1470 🔗

That’s a good point, I wonder if he or the other guy have started to drip feed info. Still no mention of the dodgy PCR testing in any major rag though. That’s the source of the whole thing, cases based on dodgy testing.

258661 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #719 of 1470 🔗


And yes, I am shouting!


258601 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 7, #720 of 1470 🔗

News from Lockdown Norfolk:

Had to go to a CV19 testing g centre today, because my OH had to get a test before having a procedure next Wednesday at NNUH.
On the way, we stopped to get diesel for the car. The Aldi car park looked very busy, as did the Asda and Homebase car parks. Roads overall were as busy as any normal Saturday. So much for lockdown. It doesn’t look as if many people are taking much notice here.
We saw one or two people wearing masks, alone, in their cars….

The testing centre was strictly by appointment only: there was a steady stream of cars going in, but no queue of more than 2-3 cars. All the test centre staff were wearing masks. Outside. I suppose it’s to maintain the correct appearance, but it’s still rather unnecessary.
We’ll see if we get a positive result back…

258624 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Lms23, 2, #721 of 1470 🔗

Even if you do, you’ll be none the wiser! Hope the procedure is painless and effective.

258670 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Lms23, 6, #722 of 1470 🔗

If the tests come back positive, ask them which strain of coronavirus they found:

229E (alpha)
NL63 (alpha)
OC43 (beta)
HKU1 (beta.
MERS-CoV, a beta virus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)
SARS-CoV, a beta virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)
SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.

I don’t think you’ll get an answer

258615 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #723 of 1470 🔗

Liverpool is a good case study.
Can anyone identify what possible impact:

  • Tier 3
  • Lockdown
  • Mass testing

Had on the infection rate in Liverpool?

258628 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 7, #724 of 1470 🔗

“Just think how bad it would have been without them.”

258616 l835, 1, #725 of 1470 🔗

At least we know what Boris has been watching while he self isolates! John Malkovitch for SAGE?!

258617 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #726 of 1470 🔗

Fit and well masked morons queuing up for their false positive tests

And what is the feckin point of all of this at £130 a throw?

If it comes back ‘positive’ they stay home for 14days

Why not just feckin stay home for 14 days and save us £130

Feckin numbskulls


258630 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cecil B, 7, #727 of 1470 🔗

Sadly some people are too stupid to realise the long term effects of this on the economy. It seems some people think it’s great to have 2 weeks off work but we still have to pay for this in the long run.

258636 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cecil B, 12, #728 of 1470 🔗

I think these people love the theatre of it, the story, their part in the story. Afterwards they will post a gurning selfie on Facebook. Here’s me, protecting others, doing my duty during this deadly pandemic by having a cotton bud shoved up my nose. If I get a positive result I can sit at home for 2 weeks bragging about how I survived the deadly plague. Then all the other idiots will get FOMO and rush out to do it themselves.

258641 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #729 of 1470 🔗

Those twats will soon be doing sleeve up selfie memes when that virtue-party starts.

258660 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #730 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. They’re living in their own TV reality show.

258683 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #731 of 1470 🔗

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

258704 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cecil B, 2, #732 of 1470 🔗

Stupid is as stupid does.

258729 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #733 of 1470 🔗

This photo caption in the report made me laugh:

The tightly-packed terraced streets have been blamed for the high rates of Covid in valleys communities

So even houses have to antisocially distance now?

258925 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Tenchy, 1, #734 of 1470 🔗

Bulldoze every alternate one quickly!

259000 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tenchy, 1, #735 of 1470 🔗

So if the Covids can spread between brick walls, what’s the point of having lockdowns?

258633 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 4, #736 of 1470 🔗

Have the Daily Mail seen the light?


258646 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #737 of 1470 🔗

Possibly, but it seems to have caused some degree of selective blindness – maybe they should consult a more reliable optician.

258657 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #738 of 1470 🔗

There’s also this in Daily Mail:


Where are the protests, petitions, campaigns against this? Are there any?

258703 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Alice, #739 of 1470 🔗


258655 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Jez Hewitt, 11, #740 of 1470 🔗

The Daily Mail is very good at judging public mood and telling which way the wind is blowing. Entirely cynical, and wouldn’t have run this if they thought the pro-lockdown side were going to win in the end. Which is why it’s very encouraging that they have. They know the game is up.

258677 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #741 of 1470 🔗

This is why its good to comment on articles, set-up blogs, email MPs etc. Its not fruitless.

258713 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to steve_w, 3, #742 of 1470 🔗

Precisely – top comment, fully sceptical, 12.5k likes.

258753 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #743 of 1470 🔗

always worth checking the Mail on Sunday as they have a different editor to the Daily Mail and for Peter Hitchens

258635 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #744 of 1470 🔗

Listen to this. Dynamite!

Constitution Committee Wednesday 18 November 2020

Scathing criticisms from witnesses: Kirsty Brimelow QC, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers; Lord Sandhurst QC, Former Barrister, One Crown Office Row; Tom Hickman QC, Barrister, Blackstone Chambers

258666 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #745 of 1470 🔗

Great link! Brilliant! Many thanks.

258678 ▶▶ JME, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #746 of 1470 🔗

Wow! Just hope the judges in the Dolan case agree!
Fantastic find- thank you!

258688 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #747 of 1470 🔗

A fascinating and frightening analytical indictment of the cavalier abuse of powers by government.

258697 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #748 of 1470 🔗

Thanks for the link

258712 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #749 of 1470 🔗

Obviously highly intelligent and articulate individuals, however in my opinion they miss the point completely

Their arguments are based on accepting the false premis that there was a pandemic and/or an emergency in the first place

The whole shamdemic is a fraud and they do not address that point

258775 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 2, #750 of 1470 🔗

No – I think yours is the false premise. They are looking at the legal framework, not the substance of the government’s judgment. This is crucial in taking the argument into the courts.

Also important is the legislative framework in terms of parliamentary procedure, and what flaws it shows up.

The role of the justification for the measures may have a role in some legal arguments ( I don’t know exactly), but that is not what they are considering at this juncture.

258803 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 2, #751 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. It’s frustrating that they blithely refer to the “pandemic” and assume we’re still facing an emergency.
However, their job is to scrutinise the legality (or illegality), not even whether the measures have been effective and should be scrapped.

259048 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #752 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. One reason we have juries is because they are allowed to inject common sense into the proceedings. The law itself is black or white: something is either legal, or it is not.

259052 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #753 of 1470 🔗



258658 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 5, #754 of 1470 🔗

Let’s get this insightful, informative and educated piece from Dr MIke Yeadon out there to as many people as we can instead of the usual ‘scooby-doo’ scare stories most people are subjected to.

People I have shown it to are surprised that there is another narrative and a medically logical version of events.


258679 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #755 of 1470 🔗

Uau… They are “surprised”!

And what do they do after the “surprise” effect fades away?

258957 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #756 of 1470 🔗

Well done. we need to get all Yeadon’s videos out to as many people as possible and Clare Craig ‘s .

258665 Voz 0db, 3, #757 of 1470 🔗

My dear fellow slaves…

You’re either ready to execute a series of Jedburgh’s actions or nothing will change!

No need for more boring papers stating the OBVIOUS. Clearly the objectives/interests of the SRF & Billionaires are the only thing being considered in relation to the tools being deployed via OPERATION COVID.

What MORE EVIDENCE do my fellow slaves need to SEE THIS CRASHING REALITY?!

Do you guys need to be culled in order to believe it?!

The jesters in office are working for the SRF & Billionaires, like they’ve always done, don’t expect them to do what is right for us…

As I’ve been saying the time to kill or be culled is arriving at a phenomenal speed. BE READY!

258669 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #758 of 1470 🔗


Interesting selection of letters to the editor in the Irish Examiner – more sceptical than pro lockdown!

The first letter is from a retail worker pointing that retail workers are not dropping like flies in Ireland, despite being indoors and exposed to this virus.

258721 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #759 of 1470 🔗

A lot of excited vaccine folk on there. I don’t know if they’ll ever be convinced of how much of a hoodwink this has been. They are lost to their own hell

258673 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 26, #760 of 1470 🔗

I feel there is a turn and we are starting to win the argument – the data is on our side.

I just think its important not that we just get out of this but that the guilty are brought to justice.

I would never have thought that in my lifetime, liberal, free democratic societies failed. And not because of external influences. Collapsed from within.

It’s not enough to get out because – like the sword of Damocles – we know the next one is coming. Widespread house arrest for innocent people was several steps too far for me. I want retrospective punishment – and if the law doesn’t exist then make it and apply it retrospectively as they did at Nuremberg.

258714 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 4, #761 of 1470 🔗

I agree. Its the only way to restore faith.

However, I think we will still need a rapid enquiry very soon if we are to really see this turn. The public will need to be shown in a very clear way that the narrative is now changing. Most will flip easily but they have to be shown the way with a very public display. They generally are not thinking for themselves right now

258733 ▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 2, #762 of 1470 🔗

There has been good news but I am still not hopeful over where this is going.

258731 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Eddy, 9, #764 of 1470 🔗

The official propaganda line is obviously that NHS staff have to unquestionably get in the line for the vaccine and force it on the public. It’s funny how these people have gone from hero to villain just because they don’t want to be first in line for a rushed vaccine. Can’t blame them.

258676 stefarm, 1, #765 of 1470 🔗

Latest Max Igan from the crow house


258680 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 31, #766 of 1470 🔗

It’s very sad that people like Andrew Neil, Tucker Carlson, Douglas Murray, Ian Collins, Rod Liddle, and Julia Hartley-Brewer to name a few who really should know better have fallen for the unsubstantiated “Biden won it fair and square” narrative.

I urge them and everyone here to check out the #DropandRoll on Twitter or the You Tube video -assuming they haven’t already been censored. This provides the damning statistical analysis showing clear fraud. In each contested state we see the same pattern: it emerges Trump has a commanding lead…the main count is stopped…in the middle of the night a huge consignment of ballots turns up that wipes out the lead…and then – this is the really interesting part – thereafter the voting patterns maintain a fixed ratio in every batch of votes counted eg 51 to 49 say (details are given in the video). As they comment, such strict consistency is statistically impossible.

This all confirms what Sidney Powell has said. Trump was winning by a landslide, an unexpected landslide that caught the fraudsters on the hop. There was panic. The algorithm which had maybe been set to give Biden a good push over the line, now had to be readjusted to throw him over the line. They probably only had a couple of hours for consultation and tinkering with the computer programme, plus organising the delivery of the Big Drop in the middle of the night. That’s why they ended up with impossible fixed ratios.

Everything points to massive fraud. The MSM, including the useful idiots referred to above, fail to ask some very obvious questions:

1. Why the sudden and unprecedented cessation of the main count in all the contested states at roughly the same time? Was there co-ordination? If so why and who was co-ordinating – there is absolutely no need for co-ordination since each state’s count is totally separate.

2. Where did the enormous early hours drops come from with their absurdly high Biden leads (85-15 being a typical ratio) .

3. How do you explain these statistically impossible fixed ratios thereafter?

Lockdowns are just one theatre of war in the epic conflict between the Globalists and the people. It’s important we understand the connections to what has been going on in the USA in 2020: fake opinion polls, MSM abandonment of journalism, social media censorship, cover up of corruption (Biden family), politicised weaponisation of Covid and cowing of the people through lockdowns and masking.

258687 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to OKUK, -1, #768 of 1470 🔗

The american herd loves a good election fraud, just as much as they like poverty lines to receive food at food banks! Just look at Texas…

They are going to get what they deserve OBAMA 2.0, aka Wall Street and TBTF Banks.

Note: not that under mutTrump’s presidency they were neglected, not at all, they received TRILLIONS while the morons received a $1,200 check!

258692 ▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 2, #769 of 1470 🔗

There was one Carlson video which did at least recognise some fraud.

258700 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to OKUK, 5, #770 of 1470 🔗

Indeed, people need to take their antipathy toward Trump out of the equation and ask if, once he is no longer on the political scene, they want this voting system in place. Because the time to sort it is now.

258707 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to OKUK, 4, #771 of 1470 🔗

Not sure Tucker Carlson should be on that list. He is not, never has been, outspoken in his support of Trump, in many ways he disproves of him, but he is not accepting of fraud either. He has/does support the clarification of dubious counts/machines/postal ballots.

258719 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to peyrole, 2, #772 of 1470 🔗

Let’s see over the next few weeks.

News Max now for me.

258759 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to peyrole, 1, #773 of 1470 🔗

He is a journalist. He knew exactly what he was doing when he framed it that Sidney Powell was unable to give him the evidence of fraud. Why are
Fox News not digging instead of deriding or demurring? They need to ask and answer the questions I put.

258805 ▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, -9, #774 of 1470 🔗

Who gives a shit? Trump steals one; Biden steals one. Nothing changes (except the volume of the loser’s whining)

Now – about Lockdown etc….?

258820 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 9, #775 of 1470 🔗

Evidence for Trump’s fraud? You have none.

258689 DRW, 1, #776 of 1470 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obWIBuy6X8g : A generally good Fox News video with some great sceptical arguments.

258691 Paul M, #777 of 1470 🔗

A bit of light relief. Song video is under the disclaimer box. A warning – there are some words that some may find offensive…


258693 Burlington, 5, #778 of 1470 🔗

How about adding a Parler Profile to the dashboard for those of us not on Faceache and Twatter?

258694 Voz 0db, 4, #779 of 1470 🔗

Always using the wrong terms!

Covid Infections Continue to Drop
What type of new “virus” is Covid?!?!?

258709 Voz 0db, 3, #780 of 1470 🔗

“Challenge Covid-19 orthodoxy and you are silenced on social media”…
With the other fake pandemics, namely “HTLV-III/LAV-GRID” latter rebranded “HIV”/AIDS” this was, and still is, the MODUS OPERANDI .

Just look at what happened to the Inventor of PCR for going against the MACHINE.

Everyone GOING AGAINST THE VESTED INTERESTS, aka PROFIT for BIG PHARMA which means PROFIT for BIG BANKS, will always be destroyed by the legion of scoundrels and fraudsters that, funny enough, the herd of modern moron slaves refers to as “doctors and specialists”!

The main difference between those fake pandemics, is that OPERATION COVID also has the vested interest of the SRF & Billionaires in sight, so it’s even more urgent to erase any form of counter information.

And OPERATION COVID has a lot of more efficient TOOLS to silence the few!

Enjoy the show…

258711 PastImperfect, #781 of 1470 🔗
258716 Mick Oak, replying to Mick Oak, 19, #782 of 1470 🔗

I had a terrifying reality when I was asleep last night.

Lockdowns and Covid will never go away. These are means to three distinct ends; a ‘safe’ life lived permanently indoors, vast profits for big tech and on-line companies and adherence to a strict green and ‘right think’ agenda.

Going outside won’t be banned as such but the rules will grow so convoluted and byzantine, coupled with full scale lockdown, that folk will just gradually acquiesce and give in. Policing will also become more rigorous so that the risks are much greater of getting caught. Zooming will become the complete norm and, where possible, remote working.

To speed to the at home world masks outside will be mandatory at all times. It won’t be required to wear a mask in your own home thus making it more attractive to stay there. All visitations from outside your home will require full masking. This will be enforced by chip technology. Quite soon such foolishness will abate.

The vaccine will always linger tantalisingly out of reach. Lots of people will know someone, who knows someone who might have had one.

Real holidays to foreign destinations will largely vanish as the travel processes will be so onerous and stressful. Plus most experiences will be masked crap when you get there. The very rich will fly in private jets to secluded destinations only available to small craft. Plebs will have to make do with virtual reality.

Parents will clamour for all teaching to be on-line as the hassle of whole school years being sent home because a child sneezed becomes too trying and logistically impossible to manage. Likewise the university education system; all online. A mass conglomeration of socialising, germ ridden students, some thoughtlessly drinking and laughing cannot be allowed.

Huge swathes of the population will become redundant as the hospitality sector and actual shops cease to exist. These folk will receive a credit based allowance and a tiny home partly funded by super rich tech companies. Of course they will simply re-gobble the spent credits as all services will be via them including home based hospitality and other services. Those folk still with jobs will be taxed vast amounts until they are broke and homeless. Then they too will receive an appropriately small dwelling and credits. A pesky few professions which require manual skills will remain. In time, though, robots will boot your Polish plumber into touch. Only the mega rich will own anything.

Although things like books and DVD’s won’t be banned the combination of restricted space and service availability on line will make the need for actual ‘stuff’ redundant. Obviously content will be doctored to remove dubious content or the myth of a far distant life lived partially outdoors. Since all new books will be written on line, and vetted, no new vileness may arise.

Only the highest echelons of culture and sport will survive. These few rare arenas will be visited by small cadres of socially spaced super rich. Events may be visited on line by the masses who may buy on line season tickets. Sports stars will be ‘grown’ in special crèches. Both sport and culture will gradually die as neither is really necessary. Participation sport for the masses obviously must go as it is thoroughly unhygienic and pestilential.

As people exist at home, only, folk will stop buying loads of cloths and will just need a few ‘slopping’ outfits. Great for the environment of course. With the much diminished need for possessions or money crime will much reduce and what there is will be online as will all policing.

Quite soon there will be more lethal pandemics some killing more than 0.000000001 per cent of the population. Strangely these will all transmit through the non vegetarian food chain. We will have no option but to transfer to non meat diets. ‘Meat is madness’ will be the mantra.

As a knock on effect these measures will have a colossal, damaging, impact on the developing world. There will be much hand wringing but really, of course, this is all to the good. These areas are massively polluting and over populated. In time, as Treebeard might have had it, trees and animals will come. Along the same lines a very sedentary lifestyle will lead to massive health issues in the western world. Another benefit as we need to reduce eldster strain anyway. There are too many of them and and they get too old. As long as nobody exits due to a banned pandemic virus.

For those very few damaged souls who struggle with the wonderfulness of it all they can order a discrete pill, again from the omnipotent tech companies. Then a respectful burial robot may arrive and do the necessary. No nasty trip to Switzerland.

The NHS will become the new religion with all citizens paying due respect. Over time, like the old style God stuff, an actual physical doctoring presence will become a myth then a legend although, of course, many zillions of people will be needed to service the machine.

258725 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mick Oak, 5, #783 of 1470 🔗

If it isn’t ‘Covid’ it will be something else. Just like the endless ‘war on terror’ keeps expanding. Their desire for control over us never dims. They are already talking up ‘Bioterrorism’.

False Flags and the Dawn of Bioterrorism

258730 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Mick Oak, 7, #784 of 1470 🔗

To what end though? Companies can’t make vast profits from impoverishing or killing their customer base. What value can be extracted from an enslaved workforce imprisioned at home with only a computer to poke around on? What are they selling and to whom?

258736 ▶▶▶ Mick Oak, replying to zacaway, 2, #785 of 1470 🔗

Was just a dream. Couldn’t possibly happen! You are right it wouldn’t make sense, but then ———

258770 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Mick Oak, #786 of 1470 🔗

Of course… not like irrationality stopped people carrying out mad ideas (genocide?) before!

258748 ▶▶▶ Mick Oak, replying to zacaway, 1, #787 of 1470 🔗

Thinking a bit more. Plan a) would be to extract every penny we have and then they morph. Stop paying lip service to government who are beholden anyway and just govern outright.

258741 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Mick Oak, 3, #788 of 1470 🔗

You have obviously read the prospectus and understood the benefits, please feel free to contact our Customer Services on 0845 999 666 if you require any further information.
NB Customer Services is currently unavailable due to Covid19.

258749 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mick Oak, 1, #789 of 1470 🔗

Not a time traveller are you?

258757 ▶▶▶ Mick Oak, replying to leggy, 1, #790 of 1470 🔗

No I am in Scotland. I cannot imagine a better time or place

258769 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mick Oak, 2, #791 of 1470 🔗

Sounds like the machine stops by E.M.Forster

258807 ▶▶▶ Mick Oak, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #792 of 1470 🔗

There’s a few on this theme. Isaac Asimov, ‘It’s a beautiful day’ is another. Or Brave New World of course.

258930 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mick Oak, 5, #793 of 1470 🔗

We’ve already had elements of this coming true in my lifetime. When I was a boy in the 1980s, I was completely free from the age of 9 to go anywhere I wanted in the local area on my bicycle, and from 12 when I passed my Cycling Proficiency I was allowed to cycle out into the countryside. I used to go to the cinema on my own or with friends when I was 9 or 10. We spent whole days out on our own or with friends. We walked or cycled to and from school. None of us wore silly plastic hats for cycling either. Now all that is gone – it disappeared sometime in the 90s, partly due to tabloid hysteria about child killers and partly because universal car ownership enabled children to be taxi’d everywhere by parents. Now most kids seem to just stay in their rooms playing computer games. Nobody ordered or mandated it, it just happened and is now totally accepted.

258995 ▶▶▶ Mick Oak, replying to Cranmer, 2, #794 of 1470 🔗

Ah yes I remember those splendid times. I once travelled half way under my home town via the sewers. Poking blackjack wrappers through vents in the street so I could how far I got. Was still home by night fall no questions asked apart from about the curious foetid smell that accompanied me.

258718 djaustin, replying to djaustin, 1, #795 of 1470 🔗

So if cases, admissions (much better measure of infection levels as it is symptom-based) and deaths fall before restrictions are introduced due to immunity, they won’t go up again? Is that a firm prediction? What happens if they start to rise again? How did that work last time?

258743 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to djaustin, 7, #796 of 1470 🔗

To my mind the position is that there is a significant legal bar to imposing Public Health Statutory Instruments that restrict our freedoms in contravention of the Human Rights Act. The current situation with Covid Hospital cases and Deaths is, in my opinion, well below the level needed to justify legal restrictions. There is little indication that the numbers will move such as to be an emergency situation.
We need to move this whole pantomime to a non legal public health basis with a balanced public health approach across the whole spectrum of health concerns

258767 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to djaustin, 3, #797 of 1470 🔗

I believe that whilst people are locked away and transmission slowed, there will always be a rise in admissions and deaths when restrictions are lifted but the levels will be smaller each time. The can just gets kicked down the road until community immunity is reached.

258791 ▶▶ RickH, replying to djaustin, 1, #798 of 1470 🔗

You’ve got to have a secure way of identifying an admission actually with and for Covid.

258838 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to djaustin, #799 of 1470 🔗

the first peak rose very quickly (1 month start of rise to peak)- the second very slowly (2 months start of rise to peak) to much lower amplitude

the third will be slower still. and spring is on its way

258997 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to djaustin, 1, #801 of 1470 🔗

Admissions always rise at this time of the year. This gentleman puts it far better than I ever could:

‘The data show that the worst month was December in six out of the seven years when approximately 1,000 respiratory admissions per day occur in the NHS in England. A rise that starts in September and peaks in December-January and then tails off as we go into Spring, reaching the bottom in Summer. In a good year, we see admissions go below the 15,000 mark.’

The month of September sees around 21,000 cases of unforeseen attendances and admissions, which works out at around 700 unplanned admissions per day. However, by the end of September 2020, around 300 patients with covid were admitted in England per day. This is less than half of what we would normally expect. The difference is marked, especially with the complete absence of alarm in September 2015 which ‘topped the September charts’ with over 21,000 admissions.’

We know for instance that some 17 per cent of respiratory infections are caused by more than one pathogen. Testing for more than just Covid would help us to find out what is making people sick, and put the Covid admissions data into context.’

The seasonal effect also has a big impact on deaths. In the 2017 to 2018 winter period, there were 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales. Over 85-year-olds can account for over 5,000 admissions in December and the observed variations in deaths each year are largely driven by this age group.

The current Covid projections need to be placed into context of the impact of the seasonal effect of the other respiratory pathogens. If we don’t, then we may jump to inappropriate conclusions.’


258720 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #802 of 1470 🔗

Guys, last post on here today as I’m off out to watch the Rugby…in a field on my own with a mobile phone…
Hope you all enjoy the podcast today (featured in the round up) you can find it here: https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
We talk about the Whitty Vallance cock ups, Vaccine hopes, PCR madness and much more…all with an ‘amused’ eye

(if that’s possible!)

259117 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #803 of 1470 🔗

I can recommend this message

258722 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #804 of 1470 🔗

Leipzig anti-lockdown demo live stream:-


Paris demo against Global Security Bill
(‘The ‘global security’ bill, approved on Friday evening by the French National Assembly, makes it illegal to disseminate images in which police officers or gendarmes can be personally identified, and has been heavily criticised by activists and journalists, who state it would present a danger to press freedom. The bill now has to be approved by the Senate.’)


259403 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Kevin 2, #805 of 1470 🔗




258724 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 10, #806 of 1470 🔗

This is what I’ve been saying since the “asymptomatic sky is falling” became the mantra; it transpires the evidence is now consistent with all pre-Covid science:-

“In summary, the detection rate of asymptomatic positive cases in the post-lockdown Wuhan was very low (0.303/10,000), and there was no evidence that the identified asymptomatic positive cases were infectious” — https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

258745 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to IMoz, 3, #807 of 1470 🔗

“ Virus cultures were negative for all asymptomatic positive and repositive cases, indicating no “viable virus” in positive cases detected in this study”

258726 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #808 of 1470 🔗

Sweden last month…


258734 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Tom Blackburn, #809 of 1470 🔗

Sadly it isn’t Sweden right now. My other half works there and has just messaged me this lunchtime. The lunch restaurant is empty- it was full 2 weeks ago when last there. The bar last night was empty. Increased measures have been introduced in many places. Not as draconian as here and almost all voluntary (so still much better) but taken very seriously by the locals. 2 weeks ago, whilst open the shops felt quite empty.

258836 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Suzyv, 6, #810 of 1470 🔗

if its voluntary I have no problem with it. if everyone chose to stay at home forever until they starved then good luck to them. but they are still free. we aren’t

258727 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 6, #811 of 1470 🔗

Nicked from Going Postal

258760 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biggles, 3, #812 of 1470 🔗

What a couple of absolute cretins, assuming it is creepy Joe and not his cunt stunt double

258863 ▶▶ anon, replying to Biggles, 2, #813 of 1470 🔗

death cult much?

258735 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 27, #815 of 1470 🔗

Help!! I’m terrified. The few people around me who were like-minded because they were all lockdown skeptics have gone vaccine OBSESSED! They don’t care what it contains or what it could do, or who is selling it. If it gives them the certificate to travel they are taking it. I don’t understand. They will give it to their children. They just want their lives back. The grooming has been successful. The blackmailing is complete. They will be injected with whatever is offered, to get their lives back. Will there be any place in this insane world for a person who has done their research on the virus, the disease, the vaccines (and criminals selling it) and doesn’t want anything to do with any of it? Or is this the end of the road for people like me? My life no longer matters, right?!

258742 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #816 of 1470 🔗

Their choice. I think we need to be careful about getting too precious on this subject. Particular when mandatory vaccination gets mooted. Best approach is to smile and quietly refuse when the time comes. There simply won’t be the will (or cash) to start setting up a two tier state as many of our fellow citizens dream of.

258761 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #817 of 1470 🔗

There definitely is the will.As for the enforcement you only have to look at track and trace,q codes to see how it will be enforced.As for cash the government seems to have solved the problem.

258819 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #818 of 1470 🔗

Few wore a mask until the end of the notice period, which shows that very few people had any conviction about it: they were afraid of fines and public shaming. It will be the same with the vaccine. The government will impose visible restrictions on those who do not comply and will rely on public shaming to coerce them into compliance. The vaccine may not be mandatory, but life will be very difficult without it.

258830 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Bugle, 17, #819 of 1470 🔗

Just tell people you’ve had it. It saves any hassle. But also say that you were so unwell after it that you ended up in hospital and nearly died. That might make them think twice about having it. I intend to use the tactics of the fascists against them.

258850 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Lili, 1, #820 of 1470 🔗

Go Lili!

258934 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Lili, 3, #821 of 1470 🔗

We live in a world of mass hysteria as we can all see around us .I think it will only take a few stories of a bad reaction from the vaccine to put millions off taking it . The governments of the world are playing with fire because in an age of social media not only will people be put of this vaccine but all others. If they make it mandatory and anyone is harmed there is no way the truth can remain hidden and if they are not harmed then a few of Lili ‘s stories should do the trick .

258762 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #822 of 1470 🔗

I’m quite happy for anyone to take it, so long as it’s their own choice.

But they had better not expect me to pay for their medical care if it makes them ill.

258814 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Mabel Cow, -1, #823 of 1470 🔗

They might argue the opposite. Since the vaccine prevents serious COVID. Contracting serious disease when there was a perfectly good protection. Particularly as the long-term effects are unknown. Of course a vaccine may also prevent transmission, but that’s not proven. But I do agree that all medical interventions should be by consent.

259012 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to djaustin, 6, #824 of 1470 🔗

There’s nothing to show that the vaccines prevent serious COVID-19 in the people who are actually vulnerable because the trial protocols specifically excluded the elderly and those with serious medical conditions.

I’m not particularly impressed with a vaccine that reduces the symptoms in people who have effectively zero risk of dying.

259097 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mabel Cow, #825 of 1470 🔗

The elderly are at the front of the queue. Doesn’t bode well for them with the dodgy vaccines … (I’m in that age group.)

258747 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #826 of 1470 🔗

I think it’s up to them. For me, I’m happy to have a human shield of fools between me and the vaccine – people who will take risks to ensure that when I am old and decrepit enough to consider it useful, enough of them will have tested it that I’ll know if it’s safe or not. As long as it’s not compulsory, or constructively compulsory, the more timber in my shield the better.

258752 ▶▶ calchas, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 31, #827 of 1470 🔗

A vaccine:

developed in months, bypassing the usual stages,

with a new unproven techology, which reaches into the RNA cell machinery,

for a disease, with a 99.9% survival rate, mostly asymptomatic,

for which the manufacterers are indemnified against liability.

258786 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 9, #828 of 1470 🔗

… and which politicians and advisors are invested in, both in personal terms and in terms of pre-buying massive quantities unseen with taxpayer money.

No chance of distortion and corruption there, then.

259053 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to calchas, #829 of 1470 🔗

Nice summary. A no brainer … to avoid it all costs.

258774 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #830 of 1470 🔗

They are fools if they believe it will be that relaxed after vaccination. The government is making suggestions now but we have seen so many times that government predictions and/or promises fail to bear fruit.

258777 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #831 of 1470 🔗

I said something similar to this before, but I am sure it will bear telling again.

There is no vaccine against Fascism, there is no vaccine against Ignorance, there is no vaccine against Lying, there is no vaccine against Terror, there is no vaccine against Hysteria.

Since these are the 5 precepts of covidism, there is no vaccine against it either.

The mantra is easy to remember because its acronym spells out FILTH, and that is exactly what you will be injecting into your arm.

This is what you tell your friends.

258783 ▶▶ RickH, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #832 of 1470 🔗

I agree that this is a worrying tendency that is around.

They tend to be people who can’t believe that their government is more than just ‘mistaken’ at worst.

258824 ▶▶ Lili, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #833 of 1470 🔗

You need to show them the government’s own Vaccine Damage Payout scheme. Don’t worry about showing them anything else. This on its own proves acknowledgement of vaccine harm. Then tell them that the manufacturers of THIS vax have been absolved of any liability for any harm caused. Then say no more. Just leave them to ponder on all that.

258861 ▶▶▶ John K, replying to Lili, 4, #834 of 1470 🔗

I believe the Coronavirus Act gives indemnity for all Coronavirus health service activity, so as I understand if any deaths and/or disabilities occur, no claims against NHS will be possible. Do the sheeple know this?

258915 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #835 of 1470 🔗

All one can really do is raise gentle scepticism about the vaccine in the same way that one can with the ‘pandemic’ itself. There’s no point going in with all guns blazing as one will just be labelled ‘anti-vaxxer’. Just say things like ‘it’s a bit worrying because it hasn’t been tested properly and the manufacturers can’t be sued’ and ‘of course Covid could mutate and they could just lock us all down again even if we take the vaccine’ etc.

259018 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cranmer, 3, #836 of 1470 🔗

This seems like a very sensible approach. Better than the bursting into tears and wailing “but you’re killing your children!” approach I’ve found myself adopting lately! Thank you!

259004 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #837 of 1470 🔗

The sentence that struck me most in your post is They just want their lives back
I think this is very true, and sadly it will drive people to take up the vaccine and make it quite difficult for people not taking it.
But hopefully a year later this will be forgotten and we all live happily ever after…

259021 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, 1, #838 of 1470 🔗

“The candle of hope must be nurtured until the science comes good and we can deliver a jab of hope to the arms of the public”

Matt Hancocks words. Not mine.

259390 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #839 of 1470 🔗

Remind them the vaccine is the first of indefinite boosters which must tally with their immunity passport. A passport which may serve as a Chinese style social credit high tech enslavement tool. They are giving themselves to Gates, Pharma, tech and the surveillance state. If they get sick from the vaccines they will have no legal recourse

258754 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 16, #840 of 1470 🔗

Language leaks:

When Matt Hancock was asked to respond to Boris’ self isolation the other day, he said lots about him working hard and being on zoom etc. He also said he’d still be able to “drive the agenda forward”. He said “agenda”, I remember it vividly.

Boris on his Twitter says that he is responding to a pandemic. The latter is a much more appropriate response. But Hancock’s response leaks large. It openly says hey are working in an agenda. There is not a mistake.

There’s been various leaks from all sorts of people from a couple of people saying they would be injecting virus to the “new world order” by an Australian guy on the news.

It’s worth listening out for.

I think Matt’s was telling!

259006 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Country Mumkin, #841 of 1470 🔗

I think Wancock is a twat with a very limited vocabulary.

258756 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 33, #842 of 1470 🔗

Watching the rugby

They stand 2 metres apart for the anthems, and then have close contact during the game

Sums up this insanity perfectly

Some cowards took the knee. The Irish didn’t

258764 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cecil B, 14, #843 of 1470 🔗

They are not STILL engaging in that disgusting “knee taking” filth, surely not?

258771 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #844 of 1470 🔗

BTW, I’m English, but I hope Ireland win.

258827 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tenchy, 1, #845 of 1470 🔗

Yep they are.

258961 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tenchy, 2, #846 of 1470 🔗

They won’t do it when the crowds are back unless they want to be openly ridiculed. And as for Lewis Hamilton, talk about privilege. How many poor white boys (girls!) make it in F1? It’s a rich man’s sport or else daddy has an interest and pushes you to go kart etc. Money, not race.

258766 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, 3, #847 of 1470 🔗

still doing formation kneeling on the premier league football . disappointing after a couple of weeks watching all those racist european teams showing their white privilege and not kneeling

258964 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to mjr, #848 of 1470 🔗

It’s hilarious given that there are probably more black than white players in elite football (and good luck to them).

258969 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to mjr, #849 of 1470 🔗

A crowd would soon sort that. Imagine F1 at Silverstone and Hamilton taking the knee.

258768 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Cecil B, #850 of 1470 🔗

Which thick? Yellow card Kyle?

258794 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cecil B, 4, #851 of 1470 🔗

Completely barmy. And then you have the pitch side staff coming on in face masks to administer the magic smoke. I really don’t see the point of masks in that situation.

258828 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 5, #852 of 1470 🔗

It’s so stupid I cannot understand how anyone thinks this is OK.

258758 nickbowes, 9, #853 of 1470 🔗

6uild 6ack 6etter; i don t want to take your number, i won t have your medicine.

258781 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 31, #854 of 1470 🔗

I think this lockdown has very little to do with bringing cases and deaths down. I think the main motivation is to remind people how unbearable lockdowns are, to drive them to considerable despair so they are desperate to take a vaccine and return to normality. Of course the majority will take a vaccine to return to normal regardless of consequences because they have been continuously psychologically berated by the government and MSM for almost a year.

Let those who want to take the vaccine have it. Personal autonomy means you can consent to or deny the vaccine and hopefully the more of them who take it, the less chance they’ll try to force it on anyone against it.

258785 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Ricky R, 17, #855 of 1470 🔗

I said on here before and will say it again, I am not anti vaxx that much but I am not a test subject either. It’s shocking the amount of people who see this damn rushed vaccine as the holy grail and will happily take it just to get back to normal.

258795 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ricky R, 8, #856 of 1470 🔗

I think there’s so many people that fall into these categories that vaccine will be high take up

1. Want life to be normal
2. Give the government a get out from the mess
3. Don’t want to be socially shamed or say they don’t care about others
4. Don’t want to be labelled an anti-vaxxer
5. Are older and feel everyone has made sacrifices for them thus far
6. And last but not least (although i feel this may be a small proportion) those that feel Covid is a real threat

I bet the above categories cover about 70-85%.

What do you reckon?

258806 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #857 of 1470 🔗

I was listening to a doctor/researcher on the radio. He said that in order to be effective something like 65 or 70% (I think) needed to take it. If you are correct in your lower figure, it would seem enough to leave a significant minority which the government would find difficult to coerce. If it’s a smaller minority, I think the government joined by the majority will crush them. I’m not taking it, by the way.

258821 ▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Bugle, 8, #858 of 1470 🔗

Strange, that sounds almost as though they are trying to achieve herd immunity – the ‘flawed goal’ that has never been part of the Government’s strategy. According to Matt Hancock, that is…

258839 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Bugle, 4, #859 of 1470 🔗

The 65% to 70% takeup is, I believe, predicated on the assumption of 100% susceptibility in the population but we now know that this is not true from other published work which claims potential cross immunity exists from having recovered from other coronaviruses.

In any population there will always be a significant minority that the government find difficult to coerce.

258849 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #860 of 1470 🔗

Thank you for the info. Trust you’re right.

258829 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #861 of 1470 🔗

Everyone I have spoken to has said they’re sceptical of the rushed vaccine but I reckon that when it comes down to it, the vast majority will shrug off any concerns because they fall into one of the categories you’ve suggested. The government have done a great job with their carrot and stick approach because all but a very small minority want things back to normal ASAP and will probably consent to a vaccine because they believe the government is willfully going to give up all their new power once they take it.

I hope we’re actually just really pessimistic and a vaccine is the death knell of the purgatory we’ve been living in but don’t want to get my hopes up too high.

259040 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Country Mumkin, #862 of 1470 🔗

That’s fine by me. Let them. So long as they leave the rest of us alone. I think 70% is enough for herd immunity?

258797 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ricky R, 11, #863 of 1470 🔗

If the vaccine were merely a vaccine, there would reason to have it and return to normal. But it won’t be a return to normal if they try to integrate it with health passports, digital identity registered on a central database and, finally your finances. It will lead to a complete inversion of the citizen’s relationship to the state: the new normal. If this were not the case, why all the propaganda, psychological manipulation and fabrication of bogus figures?

258826 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Bugle, 11, #864 of 1470 🔗

I agree. I believe the continued lockdowns, threats over Christmas etc are all to ensure that the masses consent to all these controls because they’re desperate for this to stop. It’s not about saving lives or stopping cases its about breaking as many down as possible so they will accept anything to get some semblance of pre-covid life (although pre-covid life is the promised carrot that will never be given back)

258837 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ricky R, 9, #865 of 1470 🔗

Concerning Christmas, we’re being played like a fish on a line. The government has to be careful not antagonise people to the point where they lose control. Christmas is such an issue. So slacken off a bit, then reimpose lockdowns again when it’s over.

258907 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bugle, 2, #866 of 1470 🔗

I am sure that is the plan – but what I hope is that people will be more reluctant to go back into their cells once they have been let out for the day (or two if we get Hogmanay as well).

258971 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cranmer, 1, #867 of 1470 🔗

If everyone does Hogmanay, what can they do?

259088 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bugle, #868 of 1470 🔗

Our aim should be to repeal the cv19 act. Then to ensure that totalitarian authority can never regain control.

259385 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Bugle, #869 of 1470 🔗

This is really like slave ownership.. How can anyone in their right mind be happy about this? I don’t want to be branded by tech and owned by Pharma

258782 Peter, replying to Peter, 32, #870 of 1470 🔗

SW London refreshingly normal today. Spending time down by the river, bars and restaurants open for takeaway, loads of seats and people ignoring the criminal dictats of Bozo and his stasi. As a bonus their are loos open as well, so as long as you are OK with the cold it is as close to normal a way to spend a Saturday right now, one pub has put its TV in the window and speakers outside to let folk watch the rugby. It won’t change the nationwide narrative but a small enclave of sanity is nice to have

258815 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Peter, 16, #871 of 1470 🔗

People are fighting back in any way they can. Their roar will grow loader.

258831 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Lili, 3, #872 of 1470 🔗

Have you read Cancer Ward? “Life will conquer.”

258873 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Lili, 11, #873 of 1470 🔗

My feeling is it won’t be a roar, more a slowish creep back to normality. Pubs will open as normal, as will restaurants and “non-essential shops”. The “police” will be all over it at the start and then realise they can’t deal with the overwhelming number of people simply living their lives. Of course this means they’ll have to go back to their jobs of arresting criminals so will start pulling sickies on a scale that will turn the NHS green with envy. One great hope is that these two national beacons of shame (NHS and Police) will collapse under the weight of their own pathetic leftist agenda.

258899 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Peter, 5, #874 of 1470 🔗

Peter, this is absolutely my hope and prayer also – I have given up on any ‘great awakening’ by the British people – we are not an ideological nation, after all – but I have hope that apathy, boredom, frustration and fatigue will triumph over petty bureaucracy and state diktat.

259003 ▶▶▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Cranmer, 3, #875 of 1470 🔗

Cranmer – there are enough people who want to live normally to get things back to the way they were. Big chains (pubs, restaurants, shops) won’t defy the “rules” as they have corporate policy they must follow. Independents have nothing to lose. A pub near me has remained open throughout much of the last 9 months, curtains down, door closed and only trusted regulars allowed in. A few Karens have tried to grass them up but the owners ignored the police. They have nothing to lose either way and feel they will lose their business and their home of 20 years whatever they do, so why not break the “rules” and make some cash whilst they are at it. The change is already happening and it will hit the Govt, Sage and all the pathetic collaborators in the public like a ton of bricks when it spills over.

259129 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Peter, #876 of 1470 🔗

That bit about the pub is the best thing I`ve read in ages.

259382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Peter, #877 of 1470 🔗

Karens are the absolute worst. They’ll never be happy until we’re all living in a wasteland dystopia that matches their soul

258952 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Peter, #878 of 1470 🔗

Let’s hope that happens, compliance has only gone one way.

258788 Tyneside Tigress, 3, #879 of 1470 🔗

This sounds like a totalitarian state experiment to me, and I hope the Howard League pushes back very forcefully should it gain traction:


258792 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 28, #880 of 1470 🔗

Public Service Announcement: A couple of posters have posted links today to songs or funny videos; they have added to their post the warning “some content, or language, may offend”, or words to that effect.

Please don’t do this! The BBC do this, ITV and Channel 4 do this; even those knobends on YouTube do this.

We are adults here; not easily offended simpleton snowflakes.

Thank you. 🙂

258799 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ceriain, 6, #881 of 1470 🔗

Good post, and a reminder to all of us who support free speech and freedom of expression. There are certain things I don’t like to hear, some of which are generational, some of which reflect the fact that I am a woman (in a household of three men, two of whom fight for alpha male supremacy!) but the better approach is to let it be said, and allow people to make their own minds up.

258817 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #882 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. I always think of Mick Hume’s book Trigger Warning when these issues are raised. A good read:


258835 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ceriain, 5, #883 of 1470 🔗

i recall many years ago in 1986 Channel 4 would put a triangle in the corner of late night programmes as a warning of sex and / or violence . They had surprisingly large audiences. I wonder why?
But the snowflake warnings are ridiculous. There is always the off button.

258913 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Ceriain, 2, #884 of 1470 🔗

Well said. 👏

258800 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 25, #885 of 1470 🔗

Toby Young’s take on the reasons for lockdown are about right I think. The first is that the government believe that being blamed for old people dying is worse for them politically than being blamed for adverse economic and social effects. The second is that now they cannot change policy because that would be to admit that it was unnecessary to start with.

258816 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bill Hickling, 20, #886 of 1470 🔗

Got to. be more than that.why the uniformity of response at least outside the Far East which hadn’t had national lockdowns?

They could have declared victory over the virus in summer,

258870 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to OKUK, 10, #887 of 1470 🔗

Also could have stopped testing asymptomatic people and/or lowered the cycle threshold for the PCR test to 25 and declared victory.

258872 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to OKUK, 7, #888 of 1470 🔗

I think it was a combination of herd mentality and pressure from the media which led to a complete over-reaction by the Government. Having said that, there is no doubt that there are individuals and groups who have taken advantage of the hysteria to push their own agendas, and I can understand those that think this is part of a more sinister global ‘reset’.

It seems hard to accept that the Government are prolonging the agony simply to avoid admitting that they made a colossal mistake with the first ‘lockdown’. However, the capacity of governments to make costly policy errors and then try to squirm out of the consequences is limitless.

Anyone interested in the litany of past failures should read ‘The Blunders of our Governments’ by Anthony King and Ivor Crewe. It’s both funny and depressing, and makes it all too easy to accept that we are ruled by a bunch of bungling incompetents, whose main aim is to climb the greasy pole while avoiding being blamed for the trail of destruction that they leave in their wake.

258894 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DJ Dod, 5, #889 of 1470 🔗

I agree initially it may have been a blunder, but why keep it going so long? They could have gracefully ended it in late summer but instead we got compulsory mask wearing etc. There is definitely something more sinister going on. I don’t say it’s some sort of global NWO conspiracy, but it is obvious they are prolonging this deliberately despite having every chance to bow out with dignity.

258949 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cranmer, #890 of 1470 🔗

The “vaccine” is the only escape route validating the narrative.

259068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DRW, #891 of 1470 🔗

They talked about vaccines as soon as the first lockdown started. How did they know so soon that a vaccine would be needed? It clearly wasn’t the case in May and nothing that has happened since suggests that one is needed now. Just another part of the psyop.

258951 ▶▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Cranmer, 3, #892 of 1470 🔗

I think the mask mandate was imposed simply to show us that the Government was taking action against the ‘killer virus’ – it’s hard to see how it can be justified on public health grounds, particularly when the likes of Jenny Harries had told Boris to his face that it was a bad idea.

As to why they are dragging it out, I’m convinced that they know they are responsible for thousands of deaths and are desperate to avoid being held to account. If they can keep the majority scared until a vaccine arrives then they will claim that the ‘collateral damage’ was a regrettable but necessary part of the ‘war’ against Covid.

So, my view is that the madness will end when the Government think they are in the clear. If I’m wrong, and this really is the ‘new normal’, then the future looks bleak!

259074 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #893 of 1470 🔗

I think yours is the most likely scenario. If, however, the worst case scenario is true – that this is the beginning of some sort of globalist totalitarian clampdown of perpetual lockdowns – there’s a slight problem with that in that, whilst these things may look good on whiteboards in the secret meetings of certain shadowy trans-national organisations, they forget the ‘human element’ and that such things don’t always go to plan. Even the Third Reich only lasted 12 years.

259086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, #894 of 1470 🔗

Soviet Russia and Chinese communism lasted longer – they were smarter than the Nazis.

259095 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, #895 of 1470 🔗

True, although they were slightly different in that unlike Germany there was no significant democratic tradition in those countries. In countries such as Poland and Hungary for example there was a strong kickback against communism throughout the period of Soviet domination.

259100 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, #896 of 1470 🔗

Both good points

Here’s hoping

259078 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #897 of 1470 🔗

Can’t be. Too many people have lost their livelihoods. Too much money already wasted on unnecessary bloody vaccines and tranches of taxpayer money to Gates’s “””charities””” and to the corrupt WHO. Too much devastation to the economy and to the social structure.

258811 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to alw, 1, #899 of 1470 🔗

Is this Lockdown I, II or III ?

258866 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tenchy, 10, #900 of 1470 🔗

I’d say it’s Lockdown II just like in the UK at the moment, but targeted by area. We moved all our stuff out of Toronto to our country home on Tuesday and our condo there closes on December 1st (fingers crossed). I predicted there would be another lockdown back in the summer and knew it would decimate the city and we’d lose even more money on the condo if we opted to keep it “just in case.” Unfortunately one of my kids is still living in the city. At least our premier didn’t force the whole province into lockdown, so up where I am we still have the same restrictions as before and hubby and I are actually going out for dinner tonight indoors, which is a first since all of this started. I’m disgusted, but at least I don’t live there any longer. Many Torontonians think it’s too little, too late and that there should have been a Melbourne-style lockdown…this is why I had to leave. If there’s ever anything to go back to, we’ll plan for some fun weekends in the city to visit friends and do city things, but I think it’s a very long time coming so I’m glad to be out.

259121 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #901 of 1470 🔗

Enjoy your well earned meal.

258810 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 6, #902 of 1470 🔗

What is the WHO for if Governments take no notice of their recommendations?

258822 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DocRC, 5, #903 of 1470 🔗

Many of us have been citing this document since March, and asking “What has changed?”

Almost all the measures beyond the norm – masks, rule of six, extended closures etc. are unsupported.

258854 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to RickH, 9, #904 of 1470 🔗

Public health has-beens spout off about the “growing body of evidence,” which is another phrase I have come to hate. We all know that nothing has changed other than the politics and that science has become politicized to a far greater degree than it was pre-Covid. 40 years of quality science on the uselessness of masks to prevent virus transmission has been usurped based on the “growing body of evidence.” The supposedly new evidence amounts to opinion pieces and observations studies, which are the lowest of the low on the scientific totem pole.

258844 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DocRC, 1, #905 of 1470 🔗

To be fair, WHO are rather prone to changing their mind. They pressured everyone to lock down in March, and are now close to begging them not to do it again. We also had the whole asymptomatic spread debacle, and subsequent retraction. I’m not sure I would listen to them if I was the government. Still, that document is very useful to our cause.

258881 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to DocRC, 2, #906 of 1470 🔗

Don’t be naive!



258890 ▶▶ Allen, replying to DocRC, 2, #907 of 1470 🔗

You really want that question answered?

The WHO is a conduit for Big Pharma- has been for quite some time. They receive 82% of their funding from private sources and the majority are Big Pharma with Big Tech coming in 2nd in the WHO sweepstakes.

ALL POLICY at the WHO is decided by these private entities and NONE OF THESE POLICIES are open to public scrutiny.

Go here:


258813 Lili, replying to Lili, 50, #908 of 1470 🔗

Down at the coast earlier a group of middle aged lady sea swimmers had just got out – five of them; no social distancing, chatting and laughing. Then driving home there was a mum with about 6 children (obviously not all hers) – looked like they might be off to a birthday party. Best of all at the small Sainsbury’s down the road – zero face masks on all three staff behind the tills (they did have screens but with huge gaps underneath) and notices saying ‘Please wear a mask unless you are exempt or have a reasonable excuse’. First time I’ve seen that anywhere! People are behaving normally, this government isn’t.

258991 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Lili, 1, #909 of 1470 🔗

Some of those ‘middle aged’ swimmers are startling tough. Getting too cold in the sea now for me in a wetsuit.

Can you give a description of the beach so I can guess where it is?

259037 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TJN, 2, #910 of 1470 🔗

Let me have a stab. There’ll be a road protected by a seawall. Then sand, I can see golden sand stretching away… And the sea, the sea! Waves of grey-green water crashing onto the shore…

OK, I’ll get my jacket 😉

259202 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nick Rose, #911 of 1470 🔗

Nah, we have proper beaches down here – cliffs and surf, lonely coves, that sort of thing.

259082 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TJN, 1, #912 of 1470 🔗

People still swimming in our river now

259204 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, #913 of 1470 🔗

I always reckon the older they are the tougher they are – cold water swimming is supposed to be very good for you. I love open water swimming, but am a real wimp with the cold though.

259122 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to TJN, #914 of 1470 🔗

I drove to Torquay.

259199 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Lili, #915 of 1470 🔗

OK. I don’t know of you saw my reply to your earlier post about where I was in Devon – n ot all that far from Plymouth to the north, in the semi wild. As far as getting a group together down here is concerned, is there a way of contacting posters privately via this group?

259209 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alpine, replying to TJN, 2, #916 of 1470 🔗

This afternoon four of us from three households swam together in the Kentish sea. Then 7 of us from 3 different households had dinner together. Strictly no social distancing.
This madness can go kiss our healthy salty asses!

259560 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Alpine, #917 of 1470 🔗

Good on you!

Incidentally, do you think the psychology of the lockdowns is turning yet?

Seems to me that it has done among large sections of society, but the diehards are as wedded to it as ever.

258825 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #919 of 1470 🔗

All about the Fact checkers

History Rewritten With Alerts for ‘Fact-Checked’ Sites

*Archive.org Adds ‘Fact-Checked’ Propaganda to Pages
*Gates Foundation Funds Poynter Institute, Media*Facebook Fact-Checkers Sued
*Fact-Checkers Rewriting History

259044 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, #920 of 1470 🔗

Fact-Checkers Rewriting History

I suppose that’s the sort of thing that ISIS was doing with sledge hammers in Palmyra Syria.

258833 RickH, replying to RickH, 31, #921 of 1470 🔗

Just watching the rugby, and I note that my attention has been half-hearted. It could be a wider metaphor. The stripping out of a crowd drains the spectacle of meaning – just as the whole shit-show has done to life in general.

258842 ▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 3, #922 of 1470 🔗

yet in australia on wednesday state of origin 3 played in front of 40000 crowd

258878 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, #923 of 1470 🔗

Could have happened here today.

258855 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 2, #924 of 1470 🔗

Agree. It’s made me turn over to White Christmas, as nostalgia might be the closest we get this year!

258880 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 5, #925 of 1470 🔗

I have felt the same about cricket. If there isn’t a crowd it’s not real.

258902 ▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 9, #926 of 1470 🔗

I am not interested in fucking sport any more.

I want to live.

258904 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 4, #927 of 1470 🔗

I’m not a huge fan of most sports either – but then not everyone thinks like me.

I look forward to the day when huge crowds are again able to attend sporting occasions.

PS: You are alive. You don’t have to be a victim to detest lockdown.

258914 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to RickH, 4, #928 of 1470 🔗

Yep, it’s the 11th commandment: ‘due to Covid’ thou shalt not have any fun or enjoy thyself until Big Brother says you can.

258931 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Liz F, 2, #929 of 1470 🔗

I remember back in the sixties, the 11th commandment was: “Thou shalt not be found out”

258959 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Fingerache Philip., #930 of 1470 🔗

Haha, good one! That must be in the gospel according to St Sage.

258846 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #931 of 1470 🔗

Did you see this?

Danish mask study author:

I think the message should be that wearing a mask, in the correct way of course, would to some extent — not a large extent but some extent — protect you. But it’s your contribution to protect others, that we should take care of each other. All of us would hate the idea that I had a dangerous disease now I passed it on to you because I was not wearing a mask. So we have good reasons to recommend masks, I guess.


258875 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #932 of 1470 🔗

To which the answer is :

“No. You have no liability to protect me at the expense of my selfishly wishing on you and others measures that affect everybody’s quality of life. Just be normally considerate.

If that’s not good enough for me – then it’s my right to go and hide in a burrow, but not inflict the same on everyone else.

258884 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #933 of 1470 🔗

But the study did not and can not examine the theory that a mask stops virus transmission. Especially when they have to be medical grade and worn in specific circumstances, environment and limited periods.

I’m sick of the lie that wearing a mask protects others. I said yesterday, a builder using a paint spray or angle grinder doesn’t wear a mask to stop spreading viruses to the objects do they?

Christ on a bike! Where are the scientific community hiding?

259079 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #934 of 1470 🔗

“I guess” That well-known scientific phrase. Science is dying.

259118 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #935 of 1470 🔗

Even if they do have a small protective effect, does it justify legal compulsion and ruinous fines?

258847 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 1, #936 of 1470 🔗

No doubt the Government Approved Vaccine will be some sort of saline-solution placebo perhaps laced with Lemsip pharmaceuticals to lessen the cold and flu symptoms of asymptomatic individuals.

Billions will be made and shovelled into tax havens but masks, social distancing and intermittent house arrest will be with us forever.

258871 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Stuart, 5, #937 of 1470 🔗

I agree with your second paragraph, but when I say similar to good and intelligent friends of many years, not one agrees with me. To a man, or woman, they believe the vaccine will mean everything goes back to as it was, no doubt just after they have had it

258848 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #938 of 1470 🔗

even by their own dodgy stats its over


258852 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 9, #939 of 1470 🔗

It’s only over when enough people say it is.

258857 ▶▶ mjr, replying to steve_w, 4, #940 of 1470 🔗

which is why they are encouraging people with minor symptoms (headache, runny nose) to get tested… so that they get more “positives” to keep the figures up and give more false data to BBC to perpetuate the whole thing

258922 ▶▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to mjr, 2, #941 of 1470 🔗

Mass testing started in Merthyr Tydfil today. Huge queues outside the testing / leisure centre. “cases” had been stubbornly high but have started to fall so everyone is being encouraged to get a test, without symptoms to see where the virus is lurking. Why do people volunteer?

258968 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cedric the dragon, 1, #942 of 1470 🔗


258970 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Cedric the dragon, 4, #943 of 1470 🔗

I grew up in Merthyr and so am assuming it’s because they want to claim they have long Covid and stay on the sick for years. Not sure if it’s the same now, or worse, but back when I was there 40% of the working age male population were in the sick. Covid must a god-send for them

258860 ▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 1, #944 of 1470 🔗

No it’ll be proof lockdown’s working and we need more of it.

258891 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to steve_w, 1, #945 of 1470 🔗

Oh but what about the 3.75th wave!!

258858 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 51, #946 of 1470 🔗

Liverpool protest, as reported by the Telegraph live feed:

Police have made 15 arrests following an anti-lockdown protest in Liverpool, which saw crowds gathering in the city centre from around 1pm this afternoon.

Those arrested were held on suspicion of breaches of coronavirus regulations and committing public order offences, said Merseyside Police.

Chief Superintendent Ngaire Waine said: “The vast majority of people in Merseyside have made huge sacrifices since March, missing weddings, funerals and family celebrations in an effort to halt the spread of coronavirus.

“We have seen infection rates driven down in Merseyside thanks to the commitment of so many people, and already more than 140,000 have taken part in a mass testing pilot here in Merseyside to help the national effort to protect life and get back to normality. They are a credit to this county.

“So it will be incredibly frustrating for all those people to see that a minority of selfish individuals chose to flout laws brought in to protect the lives of people, putting our communities and themselves at risk.

“Their actions have posed a significant risk to public health and we will continue to study CCTV and bodycam to identify offenders and bring them to justice.”

Who the fuck does that ‘Chief Superintendent’ think he is, making those sort of remarks? It’s high time the police were banned from making such statements.

258864 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tenchy, 36, #947 of 1470 🔗

We have crept quietly into totalitarianism. Or maybe it was always here, waiting to erupt into consciousness.

Many people are totally unaware still and the rest of us are vilified as selfish or conspiracy theorists. Or whatever degradation to limit free thought and speech.

Hold the light and freedom in your consciousness everyone. X x

258869 ▶▶ Anthony, replying to Tenchy, 8, #948 of 1470 🔗

I think banging the pots on a certain day is an excellent idea. No way the police could stop it and videos can be shared on YouTube. Is this idea spreading on Facebook or Twitter at all (I have neither)?

258938 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Anthony, 2, #949 of 1470 🔗

If it does, sadly the MSM will portray it as support for NHS and lockdown. There need to be public group hugs, singing and dancing!

258876 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tenchy, 2, #950 of 1470 🔗

Oh dear, WTF is that, looks like Mrs Mopp


258882 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, 14, #951 of 1470 🔗

Numbers have crept down and our lives, the economy and our futures have been destroyed

Life is not worth living anymore, but at least we’re safe in our loneliness whilst we wait for poverty

258911 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Ben, -1, #952 of 1470 🔗

If it saves just one life!

258987 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to William Hand, 2, #953 of 1470 🔗

Hopefully your comment is t.i.c.

259193 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 3, #954 of 1470 🔗


258885 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tenchy, 13, #955 of 1470 🔗

He’s speaking from a script, probably issued to him from higher up. A sensible police officer would say something like ‘we understand people’s frustrations but we ask that people observe the restrictions, we don’t like it either but the law is the law’ or something. Instead he has to demonise and insult those concerned about everybody’s freedom.

258917 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cranmer, #956 of 1470 🔗

She or you could be right

258926 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cranmer, 3, #957 of 1470 🔗

Common purpose indoctrination

258992 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, 4, #958 of 1470 🔗

I did wonder that! It’s the ‘scripted’ quality of it that makes me think Common Purpose. The old fashioned ‘Inspector Knacker of the Yard’ never came out with guff like that.

258989 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cranmer, #959 of 1470 🔗

It’s not law until Parliament passes it. Advice or guidelines are a different matter.

258887 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 3, #960 of 1470 🔗

I think he is a she – and not in the Lou Reed sense!

258896 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #961 of 1470 🔗

Yes, my mistake. I’ve never heard of the name “Ngaire” before.

258958 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 1, #962 of 1470 🔗

Only one other prominent person – Ngaire Woods who runs the Blavatnik school in Oxford, with whom Devi Sridhar is associated. It is a Maori name – Ngaire Woods is from NZ.

258893 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 13, #963 of 1470 🔗

When we win this, we’re going to have to replace the entire police from the top down.

258900 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, #964 of 1470 🔗

If we win this…

258912 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to DRW, 11, #965 of 1470 🔗

WHEN we win this.

259228 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to William Hand, #966 of 1470 🔗

It’s not a certainty.

259032 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to leggy, 2, #967 of 1470 🔗

There’s quite a bit in the public sector that needs replacing. Mostly from the top to the upper middle. A few below that.

258901 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Tenchy, 16, #968 of 1470 🔗

Who cares what the police say or think . The ordinary people will see these protests and be inspired and they are the only people we should be concerned about .

258906 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tenchy, 8, #969 of 1470 🔗

I’m sure that when he meets his colleagues at their next Masonic lodge meeting that they will “social distance “

258909 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #970 of 1470 🔗

That’s one meeting she won’t be attending. lol

258916 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tenchy, 2, #971 of 1470 🔗

I stand corrected, I forget that some top coppers are women.

258910 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #972 of 1470 🔗

No crafty handshakes either!

258920 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to William Hand, 1, #973 of 1470 🔗

Only the “5 fingered widow”.

259034 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #974 of 1470 🔗

Slightly behind the times there Fingers. Membership of things such as the Freemasons is frowned upon in the Police these days. Common Purpose is fine though, if not mandatory for Chief Constables.

258908 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Tenchy, 9, #975 of 1470 🔗

He’s a fuckwit. Bring them to justice, don’t make me laugh, the courts will not be able to handle it all if everyone pleads innocent. It’s over when the people say “NO MORE”.

258921 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tenchy, 1, #976 of 1470 🔗

Any films or video of it

258944 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cecil B, #977 of 1470 🔗


Looks like a pretty decent turnout.

258950 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tenchy, 4, #978 of 1470 🔗

Another variant of the ‘I have to do it, so why shouldn’t they?’ argument.

259027 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, 3, #979 of 1470 🔗

Who the fuck does that ‘Chief Superintendent’ think he is, making those sort of remarks? It’s high time the police were banned from making such statements.

Yep, they’re political statements, which I’m fairly sure their codes of practice do not allow.

Needs someone in Liverpool to make a formal complaint.

259033 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Tenchy, 2, #980 of 1470 🔗

Brave protesters.
Free speech is not a crime.
Shame on police cowards.

259116 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, #981 of 1470 🔗

Has there ever been a proven case of infection from a protest? I’m betting not.

And if there has been, BLM and XR protests must be treated in the same way, with arrests and armed police and enormous fines.

258859 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 82, #982 of 1470 🔗

I’ve had a brainwave, it must have been all the wine that I consumed last night. Once the shops and pubs open up again (assuming they do!), let’s have alternate days for the sceptics and zealots. On our days we can shop muzzle free, go down the aisles anyway we like, get reasonably close to other shoppers without them leaping out of the way, the normal and human way to shop. Obviously we know this wouldn’t happen, it would be an interesting study though to see how the numbers would vary between sceptics and masketeers days.

258886 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Mrs issedoff, 11, #983 of 1470 🔗

If I could give you a thousand thumbs up, I would!

258892 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mrs issedoff, 2, #984 of 1470 🔗

Why not, indeed.

258986 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Mrs issedoff, #985 of 1470 🔗

That’s popular! Great idea.

259016 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #986 of 1470 🔗

I already see the queues outside supermarkets on muzzle day, just for them to rapidly go down as they see the non-muzzle day happiness

259028 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mrs issedoff, 5, #987 of 1470 🔗

Top idea, I used to think that getting locked in a pub on a Wednesday night was the best night for a lock-in. Monday nights were also good as all most of the normies weren’t out to play.

So at least give us Monday and Wednesday down the pub with no covid bullshit and perhaps the same for shops.

We could even call them plague days and Monday and Wednesday between 8 and 9 as covid19 happy hour.

259038 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mrs issedoff, #988 of 1470 🔗

Absolutely right!!

I had a similar idea a couple of months ago that either they could have half of a pub/restaurant open to us biohazards, and the other half to the maskoids, or they could have 6-8pm for maskoids and 8-10pm for us so they gave themselves some time to clear up all our germs before their clean customers came back in.

As you rightly say, I think I know which half or which time-zone would be the busier one, and would definitively show up how many people are actually that bothered.

259077 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mrs issedoff, 4, #989 of 1470 🔗

Sadly I think we simply need separate countries. Life for anyone who is not mad will continue to be deeply unpleasant for many decades now that safetyism has taken over completely.

259113 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Mrs issedoff, 3, #990 of 1470 🔗

I just read (on Reddit) about a wedding that one of the contributors there had recently attended. To make things easy and clear, one side of the church was for those who wished to mask up/SD etc, the other for those who didn t really care. Unsurprisingly, the didn t care side was so full by the time the contributor got there that they had to ask the scaredys if they could sit on their side!

259187 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to stevie119, 3, #991 of 1470 🔗

Nice to hear, but no surprises.
Our part of Wales has its zombies and its ultrazombies who would roll in pigshit if it kept them ‘safe’, but if people as a whole weren’t threatened and bullied, the vast majority would have their masks off in a split second. Of that I am certain.

258868 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 29, #992 of 1470 🔗

I don’t know on what scientific basis Toby Young and Kevin O’Sullivan on Talk Radio would assume any of the Covid vaccine candidates to be safe in the long term. Do they have any data on auto-immune disorders, neurological disorders, cancer, fertility or mortality which I have not seen?

There is a problem with having a view when no basis for it currently exists. I very much appreciate their libertarian sentiments, but when vaccines were rushed to the market for the swine flu outbreaks of 1976 and 2009 they went badly wrong and they were on nothing like the scale of this operation deploying completely new technologies. There is also a risk of not learning from history.

Finally, I am not sure who these people called “antivaxxers” are. Most people have not come at this from an ideological position at all, they are largely from families that have been blighted by vaccine damage ie they tried to do the right the thing and ended up being gaslighted and demonised for their trouble. This is neither a respectable way to do science or politics. The monitoring body, the MHRA, has probably never identified a single vaccine damage case in its history, or the MCA before it. Even if the damage was 1 in a million this would be a load of cases a year but the machine is incapable of picking them up.

258927 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John Stone, 12, #993 of 1470 🔗

The kinder, gentler term is “vaccine hesitancy” and you are 100% correct about there obviously being no long-term safety data on this vaccine, but there’s actually no long-term data on the safety of any vaccine. Clearly 1976 and 2009 should be uppermost in people’s minds and yet people have short memories and are absolutely desperate for some magic bullet to get us out of this mess. I’m a member of Vaccine Choice Canada and there are very legitimate stories of children who have been vaccine injured, and in truth vaccine injury is non-controversial in the sense that even the manufacturers’ inserts spell out the numerous potential side effects. They were being sued to such an extent in the US that they threatened to stop making childhood vaccines unless they were indemnified against lawsuits. That’s exactly what happened in 1986 and after that the number of childhood vaccines increased dramatically since there was no downside risk to putting out new products and not making them as safe as possible. Of course no causal connection can be made, but observationally it’s hard to argue that as the number of vaccines has gone up, so too have the autoimmune issues, neurodevelopmental disorders, etc. in children. The US has paid out over $4 billion to vaccine injured families, and it’s nearly impossible to get heard in vaccine court, let alone win. Vaccine injury is real, so take this Covid vaccine at your own risk.


You can look at the less attractive side of all the marvellous drugs available on the MHRA website
UK, that is.

259036 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #995 of 1470 🔗

I did mention further above but should have reiterated in this context that Toby was mistaken about the existence of a mysterious court that awarded £60m in damages for Pandemrix: years ago Peter Todd of Hodge, Jones and Allen wanted to bring such a case in the High Court but government funding was not forthcoming, which is scarcely surprising since they had indemnified GSK and would have been suing themselves. They also blocked the very much lesser awards under the Vaccine Damage Payment Act using a Catch 22 device and were censured in the Appeal Court in 2017 as a result of which a very few cases may have received awards (low single figures). People must understand that there is no real sanction on any of the manufacturers to produce a safe product and if it goes wrong there is almost certainly no redress. Even if you got the £120k from the VDPA, you would likely have decades of litigation, you would not get back your health, and the payment would only scratch your lifetime costs. I would not put the situation any better than hit and run, and the British government has a deplorable record.

Again, if you consider all the government’s other remedies for the Covid situation are the vaccines likely to have more integrity? They are not playing it as if they do and that is their fault. I would never remotely tell anyone what to do except think about it for themselves.

259392 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #996 of 1470 🔗

The cost of vaccinating a child according to the schedule is already more than times 100 the beginning of the millennium: for the companies there is no downside, nor any sanction on them to make safe products. This a letter I wrote to BMJ on-line last year:
Re: The Boiling Frog Principle: patient safety and vaccines
I am grateful to Allan Cunningham [1]. To illustrate the point last year the European Parliament press room reported [2]:
“MEPs say it is unjustifiable that the cost of a full vaccines package for one child is 68 times more expensive in 2014 compared to 2001.”
while failing to note how much the schedule expanded. Off the top of my head we have had added to the UK childhood schedule since 2014 influenza vaccines, Meningitis B vaccine, Hepatitis B vaccine, HPV vaccine for boys. The MEPs’ calculation may also not have included vaccines in pregnancy (influenza, DTaP). It is likely that cost of vaccinating a single child has escalated by now well beyond IO0 times since 2001. Whatever you think of Andrew Wakefield he surely put a finger on a raw industry nerve when he questioned the triple vaccine MMR in 1998. What would happen if people continued to think they could pick and choose?
The European Parliament did also express some caution:
“MEPs stress that increased transparency in evaluating vaccines and their adjuvants, in the funding of independent research programmes and the possible side-effects of vaccines would contribute to restoring confidence in vaccination.
” They point out that researchers must declare any conflict of interest. Those subject to a conflict of interest should be excluded from evaluation panels. The confidentiality of deliberations of the European Medicines Agency’s (EMA) evaluation panel should also be lifted, and scientific and clinical data be made public.”
Nevertheless we may wonder how much governmental and institutional progress has been made in regard to these pious concerns in the intervening months (now exactly a year and a half ago).
[1] Allan S Cunningham, ‘The Boiling Frog Principle: patient safety and vaccines’, 19 September 2019, https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5576/rr-3
[2] ‘Health Committee MEPs warn against dropping vaccination rates’, European Parliament Press Room 20 march 2018, https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180319IPR00021/healt

258941 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John Stone, 12, #997 of 1470 🔗

On their definitions, me and my husband class as ‘anti vaxxers’. We are both natural scientists by background, and have had both our kids vaccinated for pretty much everything, including TB for the younger one, for which we had to pay because we no longer lived in London, where it was offered to babies. There are two fundamental issues with this vaccine; there is simply no medical justification for mass vaccination below the age of 70 considering the stratification of illness and death, and secondly, while the vaccines have been tested and deemed safe in terms of immediate side effects (although they have not been tested on immunocompromised, co-morbid, or pregnant participants) it is simply too early to assess the implications of longer-term effects for what are two novel platforms (mRNA and chimpanzee adenovirus)

258990 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #998 of 1470 🔗

Exactly. It’s totally different to something like, say, polio, which was a fatal or crippling disease which affected thousands, plus nobody really knew how it was spread. Salk’s vaccine was truly a godsend for that.

259022 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, 1, #999 of 1470 🔗

SV40 excepted, maybe.

259063 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1000 of 1470 🔗

It’s a case of “Act in Haste, Repent at Leisure” and most people are not seeing this. It’s one thing not being able to move around so much. A totally different thing injecting an experimental drug quickly put together with no adequate testing. And I suspect the “people” in government saying it’s safe are the same ones who believe models and projections as fact.

259152 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mhcp, #1001 of 1470 🔗

Quite, which is why they are coming up with all manner of spurious reasons for not ‘jumping the queue’, although volunteering their mother ahead of them.

258985 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John Stone, 4, #1002 of 1470 🔗

I’ve already had the usual childhood vaccines I do not want any flu or Covid vaccines. My body my choice.

258879 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 53, #1003 of 1470 🔗

Feeling good today. I went out for a walk, and saw that somebody had defaced the stupid ‘Covid 19 keep your distance’ poster in the village high street with black paint! And I’m looking forward to a ‘business meeting’ tonight with some members of the local pub in exile. Stick that up your new normal, Boris, and Vive la Resistance!

258905 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Cranmer, 30, #1004 of 1470 🔗

I’m putting up a “Stay Sane” sign outside my house tonight, people will see it first thing in the morning on their dog walks! I don’t give a fuck now.

258933 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1005 of 1470 🔗

Long live the “ways and means” committee 😊

258983 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cranmer, 11, #1006 of 1470 🔗

Saw a TFL poster about social distancing defaced with the words “SCAMDEMIC” over it and also one from the Mayor’s office scrawled with BOLLOCKS in black marker. Methinks many people are fighting back.

258888 petgor, replying to petgor, 7, #1007 of 1470 🔗

When I went onto Duckduckgo, an alternative to Google, I posed the question “why is google censoring (anti lockdown) scientists. One of those responding was Knut Wittkowski
who stated “If I become aware of it, I’m making the videos deleted by YouTube available on”
http://www.asdera.com/papers.html&nbsp ;

258919 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to petgor, 1, #1008 of 1470 🔗
258889 Fingerache Philip., 6, #1009 of 1470 🔗

I see our brave police are “keeping order” in Liverpool and Bournemouth.

258897 JHuntz, 15, #1010 of 1470 🔗

98% mask compliance in Scottish Supermarket. Two attractive millennial girls without one. I was in a state of shock I have rarely ever seen woman my age do anything counter culture.

Ultimately, the zombies would wear masks until the government says otherwise.

258898 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 27, #1011 of 1470 🔗

There is a copper who lives opposite us with his wife and daughter. This morning we saw a lady knock on their door to pick up her own daughter, who seemed very happy and had obviously just stayed the night with her friend. There was no silly discretion at all. So that means we don’t have to worry at all about the copper noticing all our visitors coming and going. Cool.

258923 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to theanalyst, 8, #1012 of 1470 🔗

Did you take a sneaky pic for insurance purposes?

258981 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1013 of 1470 🔗

No I wouldn’t trust them. Now the Irish Gypsies over the road I can be absolutely certain that they won’t grass me up.

259026 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #1014 of 1470 🔗

You may jest (or maybe not), but I had Travellers living next door for five years (recently moved), and they’ve been the best neighbours you could ask for. Kid you not.

259112 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, #1015 of 1470 🔗

We got our puppy from a traveller site this summer. They were great. Kids all out playing together like in the old days, polite and happy to talk. Lovely people, lovely dogs. And I have to admit I was prejudiced, worried that they would con me etc. It’s good to remember that not all stereotypes are true.

259110 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to theanalyst, #1016 of 1470 🔗

Might have been for childcare, which is allowed I think.

258903 kf99, replying to kf99, 2, #1017 of 1470 🔗

Have Scotland’s (supposed) deaths per million overtaken England ones yet? Annoyingly hard to find the up to date stats.

258954 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to kf99, 1, #1018 of 1470 🔗


select by nation

download as csv

there is total cumulative deaths column

259104 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to steve_w, #1019 of 1470 🔗

Thanks. Eng still ‘ahead’ but nothing in it really.

258918 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1020 of 1470 🔗

More from The Telegraph live feed (my emphasis):

Xi says China ready to boost global Covid-19 vaccine cooperation

President Xi Jinping said today that China is ready to step up global Covid-19 vaccine cooperation, and called for better international coordination on policies to facilitate movement of people.

China has five home-grown vaccine candidates undergoing Phase III trials.

“China is willing to strengthen cooperation with other countries in the research and development, production, and distribution of vaccines,” Xi told the G20 Riyadh Summit via video link.

“We will fulfill [sic] our commitments, offer help and support to other developing countries, and work hard to make vaccines a public good that citizens of all countries can use and can afford,” he said.

He also called for stronger international policy coordination to establish travel “fast tracks” that would facilitate orderly global movement.

With that in mind, Xi said China would propose the creation of a mechanism by which travellers’ coronavirus test results were recognised internationally through digital health codes .

These Chinese have got a bloody nerve, haven’t they?

258936 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1021 of 1470 🔗

They have – encouraged by western governments with no honour and ready to abase themselves.

258988 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1022 of 1470 🔗

If there’s only one “country”, one that you might call “global vaccine ID country”, then I guess it makes sense. It also chimes with the UK’s announcements that they are here to support a global vaccination programme; we’re not just doing it for UK benefit.

Perhaps you should treat “vaccine” as a euphemism or code in the same way that “supporting the spread of democracy” and “fostering international agreement/peace” used to be.

What could “orderly global movement” really mean in practice? Analogous to “rezoning”?

259019 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1023 of 1470 🔗

China, totally in bed with Gates and the WEF

259071 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1024 of 1470 🔗

They have a nerve but fuckwits around the world have had rings run round them by the Chinese. Our leaders and those who support them have a lot to answer for.

258924 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 74, #1025 of 1470 🔗

I’m very fond of my body. It’s served me well for over 60 years with very few problems. There are a few tiny areas that are less than perfect now (don’t ask) but I have to say that I have no complaints. It’s a wonderful machine that has required very little maintenance but I do make sure it is regularly lubricated . I couldn’t have wished for a better body and I am very attached to it.

I’m confused now though, because the International Drug Cartel my government and media are telling me that my body isn’t good enough any longer. They say that I will need to be upgraded with some new kind of vaccine because my body isn’t able to look after itself anymore which is something to do with my immune system being out of date now. They also said I might be dangerous to other people and I could be charged with murder for killing old ladies.

Their vaccine sounds a bit dangerous to me, but they tell me that it will be completely safe because their pharma partners  told them so and it’s been tested on a few people. I’m a bit concerned because it’s experimental, has been developed in record time and doesn’t come with a warranty. It’s strange that the same people have warned me about the dangers of drugs for my whole life but they are happy with this drug. Still, I expect they know best because they’ve got so many clever people working on it.

They tell me that I could be a social outcast if I refuse their vaccine. That’s a tricky one but I think I’ll keep faith in my old body and hope for the best. My dad always said “if it ain’t broke son, don’t fix it”.  I think it’s time for my next lubrication.

258946 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to godowneasy, 15, #1026 of 1470 🔗

Dear godowneasy, you absolutely have to take this vaccine for my safety. Although it won’t stop me catching Coronavirus from you, I will have less severe symptoms if we both have the vaccine.

You wouldn’t have had any symptoms from the virus, but what is a couple of mild side effects (like narcolepsy and growing an extra limb) if it’s for the greater good!!

258967 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1027 of 1470 🔗

Ditto. If my immune system wasn’t in good order I’d be dead!

258976 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to godowneasy, 16, #1028 of 1470 🔗

Think I’ll sew a yellow star on my jacket with ‘infected scum’ on it.

258984 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 5, #1029 of 1470 🔗

Somebody on here suggested visual confirmation of those who take the vaccine might be introduced to encourage compliance. I think it would be done at first in a jokey way – eg a badge saying something like ‘I’ve had it today – have you?’ or some such, but it could eventually evolve into some sort of QR code badge for entry into shops etc.

259015 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Cranmer, 12, #1030 of 1470 🔗

This is what I’m afraid of. When the mainstream media bares its teeth to stoke divide and rule between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed

The BBC, the Guardian et al will incite hatred against those who’ve chosen against having a rushed through vaccine, which may be harmful and for which indemnity against the manufacturers is granted in event of injury

I expect Goebbelsian style teaching of populations

The evil is more sickening considering the motives driving vaccinations, which are to guarantee profits for pharma and the control of humans via immunity passports

259491 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 1, #1031 of 1470 🔗

The evil is more sickening considering the motives driving vaccinations, which are to guarantee profits for pharma and the control of humans via immunity passports

And most importantly depopulation.

259487 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1032 of 1470 🔗

Only if enough zealots take the vaccine and then survive long enough to go shopping.

258982 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to godowneasy, 12, #1033 of 1470 🔗

Makes you wonder how we’ve managed for millions of years.

As I’ve told several people, if our immune systems were so weak, we shouldn’t be here, human evolution would have stopped with the Australopithecus Africanus!

259177 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1034 of 1470 🔗

Some branches of humanity never got beyond Australopithecus. Look at Wancock.

259219 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to annie, 2, #1035 of 1470 🔗

Johnson’s still in his cave

259492 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mari, 1, #1036 of 1470 🔗

Shielding again.

259155 ▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1037 of 1470 🔗

If the government or Big Pharma said that taking strychnine would stop you getting covid would people take it I wonder……yep well it would certainly do that (but you’d be dead). I bet some dickheads would take it as well.

259494 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to MsStroppster, 1, #1038 of 1470 🔗

Point taken, but they don’t need strychnine, they’ve got the Bill Gates Covid-19 vaccines.

259303 ▶▶ Sue, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1039 of 1470 🔗

and Pfizer have a string of lawsuits against them with payouts for dodgy vaccines and side effects. I wouldn’t trust them in the slightest as sound unethical/cut corners to make a buck for the shareholders.

258929 Emily Tock, 30, #1040 of 1470 🔗

St Nicholas market in Galway was quite nice today – the weather was fine, and my favorite veg/fruit seller and bakery truck are all staffed by non-masked. I would say about 50% masked at an open-air market. The proprietors at each looked me long and hard in the eye on my unmasked face and smiled and shook my hand. I felt blessed. I also felt as if there were some mutual recognition that passed between us.

258932 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1041 of 1470 🔗

No reports at all about anti lockdown protests on MSM.

258937 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #1042 of 1470 🔗

That doesn’t matter as long as they are taking place. Non-compliance is the key to ending this. And it is happening more. In Newton Abbot today B&M, Matalan, Halfords, a small bike shop and a few other small stores were all open. Very few masked outside.

258943 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to William Hand, 3, #1043 of 1470 🔗

Well said.

258948 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to William Hand, 2, #1044 of 1470 🔗

I forgot, Next were open as well and a DIY store hidden away in a small trade park.

259162 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to William Hand, #1045 of 1470 🔗

Wonderful. Now, if that could just spread to Paignton, down the road from you…

258939 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1046 of 1470 🔗

If there was it’d just be “dangerous far right conspiracy theorists”

258974 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to DRW, 7, #1047 of 1470 🔗

Antifa have been protesting against the anti lockdown protests.
Perhaps they should change their name to Profa

258978 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, 8, #1049 of 1470 🔗

Just been on that to downvote the usual ‘it’s because of selfish people like this that lockdown is lasting longer’ comments.

259045 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, 1, #1050 of 1470 🔗

I’ve been looking at that article again. This could be very important. If the Daily Mail is about to become openly sceptical, there could be a domino effect in the rest of the tabloids, which will have a major impact on public opinion.

259106 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cranmer, #1051 of 1470 🔗

At least once a week we think the Mail is becoming sceptical, but it’s usually back to normal in a day or two.

259137 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, #1052 of 1470 🔗

It blows both ways, just like the Torygiraffe.

258996 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #1053 of 1470 🔗

Huge protests all over the world

The French protesting today against Macron’s dictatorship:


258935 DRW, replying to DRW, 19, #1054 of 1470 🔗

Being selfish here but I actually support cancelling Christmas. Yes “we’re alright jack” as we’re not really doing it this year but it might actually prompt an actual backlash, hence the predictable ‘breather’. Plus it’s never been more worthless.

258956 ▶▶ l835, replying to DRW, 8, #1055 of 1470 🔗

You’ll miss out in the true spirit of Christmas, what with churches closed but shops open…

259058 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to l835, #1056 of 1470 🔗

We’re good thanks.

259093 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to l835, #1057 of 1470 🔗

Supreme irony and totally intentional just like Boris rising again on Easter Day?

258972 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 9, #1058 of 1470 🔗

I support cancelling lockdown and all restrictions

259057 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ben, 1, #1059 of 1470 🔗

Don’t we all…

259160 ▶▶ mari, replying to DRW, 1, #1060 of 1470 🔗

Never really ‘done’ xmas for ages, but I can just imagine a huge collective secretive sigh of relief of many who were dreading the ritual and who finally have a damm good excuse to cancel it…

259178 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to mari, 1, #1061 of 1470 🔗

I can’t put up with my BBC spoonfed Grandma complaining about every time it got busy or someone went the wrong way in the supermarket.

259211 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to DRW, #1062 of 1470 🔗

The suicide rates are going to soar, then…

259169 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to DRW, 4, #1063 of 1470 🔗

Funnily enough, we’ve just put up our decorations and tree today.

I don’t normally care for Christmas, but bollocks to the government: this year my Christmas is going to last from November to February. They can stick that in their fucking arses.

259207 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Mabel Cow, #1064 of 1470 🔗

Thats funny, around here (paignton) there’s a LOT of ‘decs’ going up…. the windows are looking merry!

258940 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1065 of 1470 🔗

Dear LD


Ermmm 😕 Man Falls Of Ladder & Dies 😢 Guess What He Was Written Off With 🏥 ..


259153 ▶▶ mari, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1066 of 1470 🔗

‘Ladder Covid’. The new label for all those DIY- ers who come a cropper.

259171 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mari, 1, #1067 of 1470 🔗

And there’s under-a-bus Covid and heart-attack Covid and drowning-Covid and…

259205 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to annie, #1068 of 1470 🔗

And choking-on-your- weetabix -covid after watching the latest bollocks on tv breakfast..

258963 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 27, #1069 of 1470 🔗

when the UK opened up a bit in July we went camping with friends. nazi campsite wanted masks on in the shower block. had to clean teeth outside at standpipe

interestingly compliance was 100% until cleaner went off shift at 6pm and people had a few beers. compliance after 6pm was literally 0%. not a single mask seen in shower block after 6pm for a week. people are herd animals and dont like to make a fuss. I wore my mask at 6:10pm out of habit – got in and everyone was mask free so I took mine off – I was mortified – sticking out like a sore thumb

local tesco compliance is about 97%

I wonder if it was mobbed with lots of unmasked shoppers whether everyone else would demask too

258993 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to steve_w, 12, #1070 of 1470 🔗

Very likely. A few people have taken theirs off when they see me unmasked in supermarkets but unfortunately it is a rare occasion as people do indeed follow the herd. Many of my friends who always liked to give the impression they were maverick rule breakers have proved to be nothing of the sort.

258999 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 23, #1071 of 1470 🔗

Good idea to go shopping somewhere – anywhere – mob-handed. A group of ten or twenty, shopping at once, all unmasked. Passive civil disobedience. Give the “Karens” an attack of apoplexy.

259011 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1072 of 1470 🔗

I would be up for that.

259017 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1073 of 1470 🔗

Very good idea!

259059 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Liam, 4, #1074 of 1470 🔗

My local Keep Britain Free local group recently did an event dancing and playing music through shopping centre. Their groups are everywhere if you want to join one.

259055 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1075 of 1470 🔗

At 4pm – the exact time the Ceaușescus were shot – for added poignancy.

259084 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Nick Rose, -2, #1076 of 1470 🔗

Er feck orff this Karen hasn’t worn a mask once! Anti white working class women guff really peaks at sun over the yardarm hour ,mr middle class Nicholas chappie.

259296 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1077 of 1470 🔗

there’s a group that do that in my city – go to a different supermarket each saturday unmasked.

259009 ▶▶ watashi, replying to steve_w, 5, #1078 of 1470 🔗

I noticed this in the chip shop yesterday. I was first in the queue with my daughter (both unmasked of course) the other people that then came to join the q saw us unmasked and put theirs back in their pockets.

259066 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to watashi, 3, #1079 of 1470 🔗

I was attending a community sports session in a school with a mix of kids and adults, until this current phase of nonsense started. The session leader is a raving sceptic and maskless despite all the notices in the school, tells the kids and their parents about the dangers of the vaccine etc etc, totally doesn’t GAF what they think of him, diamond geezer.

I am maskless too, and one or two other adults. First week majority of adults were masked, then slowly as they saw others bare faced they took them off or stopped putting them on in the first place.

259144 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Julian, #1080 of 1470 🔗

Diamond! I notice that whenever i (maskless, of course) talk to anyone anywhere, after a few moments most of them remove their trappings, or lower it, and chat away to me. It’s a beautiful moment, to be surer.

259090 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to watashi, 3, #1081 of 1470 🔗

Little actions performed everyday is the way to go.

259060 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to steve_w, #1082 of 1470 🔗

I’ve had similar thoughts and a few sheep may then remove theirs.

259065 ▶▶ IanE, replying to steve_w, 4, #1083 of 1470 🔗

More like 99% compliance at my Tesco – I stand out like a very healthy thumb!

259148 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to IanE, 1, #1084 of 1470 🔗

99% compliance everywhere in my town of Paignton, and I love being a very healthy thumb!

259073 ▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 3, #1085 of 1470 🔗

I tend to keep my head down when I need to go shopping, can’t bear to see all the mask wearers. I am usually although not always the sore thumb there.

259215 ▶▶ Gill, replying to steve_w, #1086 of 1470 🔗

Around my way, mask compliance is almost 100% in shops, but outdoors there is virtually no mask wearing or anti-social distancing. I now do supermarket shopping at warp speed and spend a lot of time walking, which makes me feel as close to ‘normal’ as possible these days.

258965 Ben, replying to Ben, 20, #1087 of 1470 🔗

Why lockdowns are crimes against humanity

‘Facing another retirement home lockdown, 90-year-old chooses medically assisted death’


259030 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 6, #1088 of 1470 🔗

Is that what they are hoping will happen? They just want the whole generation to give up and die?

259061 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to CGL, 5, #1089 of 1470 🔗

And the rest of us to give up cars, foreign travel and heating!

259101 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ben, 1, #1090 of 1470 🔗

Lockdown saves lives, huh?

259149 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 2, #1091 of 1470 🔗

Put it with the rest of the damning evidence for the Nuremberg Trials Mark 2.

259164 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 1, #1092 of 1470 🔗

I’m expecting to see governments offer assisted suicide on demand for chronic health conditions including mental health

258977 Dave #KBF, 6, #1094 of 1470 🔗

James Corbett has just published “False Flags and the Dawn of Bioterrorism” which is worth a watch or a listen, rather than direct you to the YT (which may get deleted) I will point you at the webpage for the specific show. You can choose what format and wether you listen or watch the report.

We all know that weapons of mass destruction was used as the reason to invade Iraq, this show explains about the history of false flag events and where we are today.

258980 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 75, #1095 of 1470 🔗

Never had a mask on my face from day one, took the train up to Sheffield yesterday for a dental appointment no mask from leaving in the morning to returning home at night..
I hold my head up high and could not give a fuck about the brainwashed masses… this is a fight to the finish and I for one will take no prisoners..

259146 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1096 of 1470 🔗

Three cheers for that!

259230 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1097 of 1470 🔗

I’ll look forward to seeing your face one day on a train.

259429 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Alethea, 2, #1098 of 1470 🔗

The pleasure will be all mine..

258994 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 13, #1099 of 1470 🔗

Searching for some words of wisdom amidst the Covid madness, who else to turn to but good old Winnie-the-Pooh: “If the person you are talking to doesn’t appear to be listening, be patient. It may simply be that he has a small piece of fluff in his ear”. Matt Hancock must be wearing giant ear muffs then. And then there’s good old Eeyore, cheerful as ever: “Could be worse. Not sure how, but it could be”.

259145 ▶▶ annie, replying to Liz F, 5, #1100 of 1470 🔗

Wancock has a small piece of fluff in his head, to replace his brain. And a large lump of frozen cement in his body, to replace his heart.

259270 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Liz F, 2, #1101 of 1470 🔗

I like the wisdom of the Windy Day :

Piglet :”What if a tree fell on us?”

Pooh : “What if it didn’t?”

… same with the probability of getting Covid.

259001 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1102 of 1470 🔗

Well,this is quite exciting. An insight in to the world of the plane spotter. Have a look at this:
A gulfstream ASAF jet departing from Washington DC earlier and now at 41000 feet over souther UK….its decending a bit…where is it going? Will it bypass bill no mates UK? Is it nappy head Biden going to see nappy head Macron for a mutual hair sniffing session and pass the granma wife swap?
This counts for some pretty white knuckle entertainment on a fucked up covid crazy Saturday night.

I can tell ya. Foof!

259014 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Two-Six, #1103 of 1470 🔗

Heading to Brussels ?

259035 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Paul, 1, #1104 of 1470 🔗

No, Ramstein

259043 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1105 of 1470 🔗

Just landed at Ramstein

259002 DThom, replying to DThom, 7, #1106 of 1470 🔗

Liverpool chief Super says the 140,000 people that have taken part in mass testing are a credit to this country. What!

259013 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to DThom, 3, #1107 of 1470 🔗

As he had a test?

259049 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DThom, 10, #1108 of 1470 🔗

Fucking political coppers. Sick of hearing them chirping. Fuck off and do your job, or what used to be your job.

259064 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 4, #1109 of 1470 🔗

It will only get worse when the graduate-only rule comes in for the police (next year I think).

259098 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DThom, 7, #1110 of 1470 🔗

I would think you’re more likely to spread covid by standing in a queue of several thousand people waiting hours for a test than you are by just minding your own business and carrying on as normal.

259120 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DThom, 2, #1111 of 1470 🔗

Mass testing and tracing is crippling the NHS and putting many schools under severe stress. Even Dido can’t pretend any more it’s any sort of “solution”. It sucks up tens of billions of pounds and delivers nothing that focused testing couldn’t deliver. ,

259264 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #1112 of 1470 🔗

Coincidentally, Dido is in hiding quarantining at the moment.

259318 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Cheezilla, #1113 of 1470 🔗

Sorry but reminds me of a bit tasteless ,old joke
Di died
Dodi died
the dodo died
Dido must be sh**ting herself now

259005 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1114 of 1470 🔗

Fuck their dispersal order

259134 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1115 of 1470 🔗

‘Dispersal’… sounds like they’re talking about vermin

259031 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 43, #1116 of 1470 🔗

Had my first mask free train journey today. Doesn’t sound like much, but I’m generally a very compliant law abiding citizen. Today I was travelling back from central London on public transport and decided enough was enough. Walked through two train stations and sat on two trains, no one batted an eyelid as far as I could tell which really surprised me!

259099 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Chloe, 2, #1117 of 1470 🔗

Good for you.

Out of interest, had you been challenged by the BTP, would you have claimed exemption or just said you don’t believe in it?

I won’t think any the less of you for the former, just curious!

259114 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Chloe, 5, #1118 of 1470 🔗

I went into central London on Monday. The tubes were very quiet and I travelled all the way to Bond Street before I felt as if I should put my mask on for the sake of any “covid terrified” that might be on the train. There weren’t many people out and about, but those that were, obviously were not fussed about mask-wearing.
Conversely, I went for a walk in my local, suburban park on Friday, in the afternoon sunshine. Three times, as I was walking towards people and readying myself to smile and say hello, they suddently pulled masks up, or scarves across their faces.

259140 ▶▶ annie, replying to Chloe, 6, #1119 of 1470 🔗

Well done, Chloe.Walk tall, smile, keep calm, be free!

259224 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Chloe, 2, #1120 of 1470 🔗

Congratulations Chloe!

Never look back. Never wear one again.

259041 Jeremy, replying to Jeremy, 1, #1121 of 1470 🔗

If you’re interested in refreshing your DNA/RNA knowledge and implications for the various vaccines under development then have have listen. Fascinating. Your quiz is at 9am on Monday!


259046 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Jeremy, 3, #1122 of 1470 🔗

Thanks. Saved it for tomorrow. Just been reading the meeting minutes – https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/joint-committee-on-vaccination-and-immunisation
Most recent September, unfortunately and expect they’ve had two meetings since then.
Van Tam on it, not surprisingly and one of Bill Gate’s mates something Scott, if I remember rightly

259248 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jeremy, #1123 of 1470 🔗

Wow. Just listen to the first 5 minutes!

259042 Jo, replying to Jo, 18, #1124 of 1470 🔗

I wanted to share a twitter link, but have copied over it and can’t find it again on twitter. Not sure if you guys have seen it, but Mike Yeadon said he’s talked to some politicians and the word is that he is now regarded as mainstream and most of them believe what he says (although I suspect this is a selected CRG type MP). However, he said he finds it very discouraging that what he says makes no difference, the MP in question whom he spoke to said that AJ and Wanco won’t listen and there is no chance of anything much changing on 2 Dec. A “push at it” in mid-Jan was mooted.
I don’t think Mike is a happy man.
Sorry if this has been posted before and for any inaccuracies in my recall.

259076 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, 8, #1125 of 1470 🔗

Left out the important and very depressing bit at the end of this thread. He said to the MP that he was concerned we were slipping into totalitarianism and the MP said that we are already there.

259087 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo, 3, #1126 of 1470 🔗

I saw it too. Didn’t he say that the MPs he talked to weren’t able to even see or talk to the PM? Sounds a bit strange to me, since surely Steve Baker as leader of the rebellion and especially Graham Brady as head of 1922 would be able to gain access?

As to whether or not they would listen is another matter. I don’t think Wancock would change his approach for the world. Boris – maybe, if he thought it would benefit him to do so. Wancock will still be promoting lockdowns until his dying breath.

259107 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1127 of 1470 🔗

I doubt they have access

The PM probably thinks he is leading a wartime government of national unity – and in some ways he is. He knows he has Labour votes

259132 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, 2, #1128 of 1470 🔗

It’s just amazing to me, that prominent MPs of the conservative party cannot see or speak to their leader…

259355 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, #1129 of 1470 🔗

He does indeed have Labour votes but – if there’s any brain cells circulating among the Labour party MPs, surely they will be thinking, the time will come when they have to justify their actions to their constituents, & why they voted to put them out of business, make them destitute, ill, depressed .. If you have a Lab MP, doesn’t hurt to make sure they know that the current methodology is essentially based on a fraud, as the test cannot identify current infections, & that their constituents are paying attention…

259127 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1130 of 1470 🔗

Steve Baker is not someone I trust

259133 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ben, 2, #1131 of 1470 🔗

Me neither unfortunately.

259221 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, #1132 of 1470 🔗

Frankly I wouldn’t trust any of them but it’s a frying pan and fire situation and the frying pan’s a bust.

259439 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, #1133 of 1470 🔗

Agree. He’ll put party before people every time.

259220 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1134 of 1470 🔗

Well dePiffle has been in hiding all week. Makes him conveniently inaccessible!
Hiding has been what he’s done most successfully since becoming PM – remember his disappearance during the floods?

259091 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo, 3, #1135 of 1470 🔗


It’s not a way out, but I think it incredibly positive.

259125 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jo, 5, #1136 of 1470 🔗

Yeadon doesn’t realise the UK is occupied by the WEF, as is every other country around the world

I have huge respect for him though. He’s brave and has more moral integrity than most

259047 Marialta, replying to Marialta, #1137 of 1470 🔗

What has happened to the edit facility?
Also the icon for looking at one’s own posts doesn’t seem to work any more, it just offers ‘delete all’ ? Is anyone else finding this?

259103 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Marialta, #1138 of 1470 🔗

Maybe you need to be logged in?

259158 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Marialta, 2, #1139 of 1470 🔗

By default, wpDiscuz (the comment system used here) only gives you a fifteen-minute window to edit your post.

259438 ▶▶ John P, replying to Marialta, #1140 of 1470 🔗

You only get a limited time to edit a comment.

259062 Brian D, replying to Brian D, 4, #1141 of 1470 🔗

Two things:

Someone (I apologise for not remembering who) posted this link earlier:


It’s very good to see the legal aspects being discussed here.

One thing they talk of is the conflation between law and guidance which reminds me to urge people to make complaints to the ASA regarding the repeated Gov Info broadcasts.

First about the one which says ‘I wear a mask to protect others’ and the complaint is that there is no hard evidence to make this claim and is indeed contested by other studies and observations which show they have little or no effect.

The 2nd is the advert in which ‘Dr. Gupta’ tells us a number of things to do if we have coronavirus symptoms INCLUDING that we MUST get tested – I hear this ‘advert’ regularly on Global radio and have complained but I ask if others who have heard it might consider complaining too along with the aforementioned mask one.

259075 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Brian D, 3, #1142 of 1470 🔗

I thought Kirsty Brimelow was brilliant. Think I’ll get her to do my injunction against the vaccine.

259136 ▶▶ annie, replying to Brian D, 9, #1143 of 1470 🔗

I just heard the tail end of a revolting ad on Classic FM in which a healthy young man boasts that he gets nappied so as to ‘protect me mates’.
He ought to be wearing a lightning conductor, to guard them all against a greater threat to their piddling little lives.

259142 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to annie, 1, #1144 of 1470 🔗

Amen, sibling!

Have you thought that every time you crap in the toilet, a granny dies (this is true). Therefore, to save grannies the world over, you must soil yourself. Smear it around. That will save grannies. That’s science, in the twenty-first century.

259168 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 1, #1145 of 1470 🔗

Yes, the whole thing stinks.

259161 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 3, #1146 of 1470 🔗

I used to love listening to Classic FM, but I stopped listening when they started with the Orwellian Covid propaganda adverts. Shame

259172 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Ben, 2, #1147 of 1470 🔗

the only thing we listen to is ‘Talk Radio’ – although the irritating adverts are soon turned down.

259223 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ben, 2, #1148 of 1470 🔗

I often listen to Classic FM between 6.05pm (avoiding the news) and 7, contenting myself with shouting abuse at the covid propaganda.

259262 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Ben, 2, #1149 of 1470 🔗

someone here posted link to an internet classic station – think it was swiss classical. i listen to it and no news or adverts and just a little talk to introduce the track which is in german so don’t understand anyway but tracks listed in english if want to know what is playing

here is the link

259151 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Brian D, 2, #1150 of 1470 🔗

FYI, Cheezy posted it. Thread is here .

259182 ▶▶▶ Brian D, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1151 of 1470 🔗

Thanks Mabel Cow and Cheezilla 🙂

259217 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Brian D, 1, #1152 of 1470 🔗

I listened to it all – over the day, not in a lump!
The lawyers were brilliant but the academics in the second session had me despairing somewhat.

259070 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 2, #1153 of 1470 🔗

Joe Anderson bigs up the testing in Liverpool. Tries to pretend he is knowledgeable about the subject. he is a rehash of Two Jags. A thug in councillors clothing. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/21/liverpool-mass-testing-finds-hundreds-with-covid-19-but-no-symptoms He has obviously had a bung.

A genuine trougher and career criminal. Have been investigate for more than whats on his wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Anderson_(politician)

259080 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Iansn, 5, #1154 of 1470 🔗

You can’t have covid-19 with no symptoms, surely even the Guardian knows that by now? The mass testing found hundreds with a positive test, some of whom might have been infected with the Sars-CoV-2 virus, but none of whom had developed covid, which as we all know is a specific disease with specific symptoms.

259085 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1155 of 1470 🔗

They don’t know the difference.

259119 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Iansn, 10, #1156 of 1470 🔗

‘We’re testing healthy people and declaring them unwell, whilst refusing to treat actual sick people’

259081 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 10, #1157 of 1470 🔗

Make sure you take your phone when leaving home. GCHQ has a “cell” in Downing Street and they are tracking your every move in real-time.

Let Boris know you are doing your best to comply with his lockdown or don’t give a monkey’s, whichever is applicable.

259111 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Stuart, 8, #1158 of 1470 🔗

Judging by my neighbours everyone is ignoring the restrictions

259126 ▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1159 of 1470 🔗

Don’t even think of booking a holiday or you’ll be swarmed by MULE (Masked & Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement).

259143 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Stuart, 2, #1160 of 1470 🔗

I took out my SIM a few months ago when I saw that Google was installing “options” relating to trap-n-trace.

However, I still have to switch to airplane mode to avoid wi-fi tracking, so I’ve not really bought anything beyond the peace and quiet of having no incoming calls.

259092 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 25, #1161 of 1470 🔗

Everybody knows Boris “Piffle” Johnson likes (liked?) to compare himself to Winston Churchill, but I’ve finally realised who he can be compared to.

Fat ✔ ✔

Prone to rages ✔

Initially popular and a breath of fresh air ✔ ✔

Many wives/mistresses ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔

Dubious choice of advisers ✔ ✔

Makes up the rules as he goes along ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔

Upset/fought/inconvenienced/annoyed every other country in Europe ✔ ✔

Tyrannical ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔

Yup, he’s Henry VIII !!!!

259096 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nick Rose, 13, #1162 of 1470 🔗

Like Henry he’s also founded a new religion – the Church of True Covid Believers.

259109 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1163 of 1470 🔗

A Church founded on his balls.

259432 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ovis, #1164 of 1470 🔗

I didn’t know Johnson had any.

259128 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1165 of 1470 🔗

One of my favourite Sumption quotes, when discussing Johnson’s Churchillian delusions:

“Boris Johnson is a Johnsonite.”

259130 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1166 of 1470 🔗

Henry was a horrible man, but he had talent, charm and good looks (at least when young), intelligence and determination. Bozo makes a poor comoarison.

Henry had some very good advisors, most of whose heads he unfortunately chopped off.
This last practice might be recommended for some of Bozo’s advisors.

259135 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to annie, #1167 of 1470 🔗

He’s made Cummings his Strafford.

259141 ▶▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to Ovis, #1168 of 1470 🔗

More/Wolsey. Strafford was a Chas.I whoopsie. “Put not your faith in Princes”.

259147 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Stuart, #1169 of 1470 🔗

I know Strafford was Charles I. A much better man, by the way.

259206 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1170 of 1470 🔗

Through the dissolution of the monasteries, he made many people lose their livelihoods and means of support. Definitely a parallel.

259154 ▶▶ James007, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1171 of 1470 🔗

What this government has done to the churches is comparable with the dissolution of the monasteries. Difference is many leaders back then fought and risked death to oppose it. Our church leaders closed everything down before it was even law.

259165 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to James007, 4, #1172 of 1470 🔗

Most churchmen caved in then, just as they are doing now. There were some honourable exceptions then, when the penalty for resistance was a horrible death. There are almost none now, when the penalty is a possible police raid and maybe a tut-tut from your local Covid-worshipping bishop.

Courage and clergy seldom mix, and seldom more seldom than now!

259198 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to annie, 4, #1173 of 1470 🔗

That’s interesting! I don’t know if I would have had the courage back then.
I was blown away by the minister who lead the baptism service that was stopped by the police.
He said:
“If it is wrong for the government to do this, then how is it right for us to comply? How can I go to countries where it is illegal to practice faith as a Christian in a Biblical way and encourage illegal churches to endure (which I have done) and come back and not do the same?”

What courage! As you say in short supply.

259436 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #1174 of 1470 🔗

Well not for a long time anyway. People used to be prepared to die in defence of their religion.

259298 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1175 of 1470 🔗

The only connection I see is Boris should be in the Tower of London .

259431 ▶▶ John P, replying to Nick Rose, #1176 of 1470 🔗

Henry VIII is believed to have suffered from syphilis. Has anyone told Carrie?

259108 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1177 of 1470 🔗

Manchester Evening News: Manchester University boss releases emotional video to students over ‘incorrect’ statement in TV interview.

259174 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1178 of 1470 🔗

It seems the first port of call for all the elites is to simply lie. Is there a single one of them with a sense of decency? Sadly, no.

259203 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1179 of 1470 🔗

a visibly moved Professor Rothwell said she was “devastated that I made the wrong remark on national television.”

Not sorry for what she actually said then!

259123 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #1180 of 1470 🔗

Our council have decided to start charging us for our garden waste service, as they need to increase revenue “due to covid”. Is there anything they can do to us now that can’t be justified “due to covid” I wonder?

259131 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1181 of 1470 🔗

Bins every six months?

259139 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #1182 of 1470 🔗

Wish we could change our Prime Minister ‘due to covid”.

259150 ▶▶ James007, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1183 of 1470 🔗

Crap customer service is “due to covid”

259156 ▶▶ leggy, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1184 of 1470 🔗

Stop paying your council tax.

259167 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to leggy, 1, #1185 of 1470 🔗


259159 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1186 of 1470 🔗

Try not paying your council tax, due to covid. I wonder how that would go down with the parasites?

259173 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1187 of 1470 🔗

Our council has always charged for that so I probably wouldn’t read too much into it.

259242 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1188 of 1470 🔗

likewise – they issue a green wheely bin for about £35 a year, though may have gone up since this. It’s collected weekly i think. So i guess your council is just following the other councils in this collection charge

259256 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Sue, #1189 of 1470 🔗

Same here. You can rent a brown bin for £40 or so a year (collected fortnightly) or buy brown compostable bags for a quid – but if you do that you have to book a collection on line.. Has been like this for a few years, though last time I tried to get some brown bags there were none in stock, possibly due to Covid.

259309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, #1190 of 1470 🔗

They need the bags for all the covid bodies.

259353 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to davews, #1191 of 1470 🔗

Here in Lisbon, they collect every day except Sundays. Is this socialism?

259245 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1192 of 1470 🔗

Did the same with us, wanted £39 pound a year for a service that had been free. Now dump all garden rubbish in landfill bin and let them sort it if they want.

259291 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1193 of 1470 🔗


259293 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1194 of 1470 🔗

Sack half their staff ” due to Covid “. Suggest it to them.

259363 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, #1195 of 1470 🔗

So now you get charged for something you have already paid for. Park entry fees are coming, they already do it in the USA.

259176 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Naked Emperor, 3, #1197 of 1470 🔗

Has something changed on twitter? I don’t have an account, but I’ve always been able to see likes, comments, retweets etc. Not on this link though.

BTW, if that’s really you, thanks so much for all you’re doing!

259337 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to leggy, 1, #1198 of 1470 🔗

Are you thinking of Ivor Cummins (The Fat Emperor)?

259365 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan, #1199 of 1470 🔗

Ah, yes, I am. Too many bloody emperors around these days.

259157 chrissie, replying to chrissie, 15, #1200 of 1470 🔗

Finally scientifically proven: the symptomless are not infectious: Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w )

259163 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to chrissie, 4, #1201 of 1470 🔗

I wonder what Bunter and the Chuckle Brothers will have to say about this?

259179 ▶▶▶ chrissie, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1202 of 1470 🔗

All lockdown measures suddenly don’t make the slightest sense any more (although, my grannie said this in March already).

259184 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1203 of 1470 🔗

Nothing. They will pretend it hasn’t happened or call Wuhan an “outlier” (well, it’s because they wear masks you see).

259191 ▶▶▶▶ chrissie, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1204 of 1470 🔗

The Danish Mask study this week is scientific proof they don’t work. And that had been done with MEDICAL masks even.

259200 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chrissie, #1205 of 1470 🔗

Unfortunately, the author clarified his position thus:

I think the message should be that wearing a mask, in the correct way of course, would to some extent — not a large extent but some extent — protect you. But it’s your contribution to protect others, that we should take care of each other. All of us would hate the idea that I had a dangerous disease now I passed it on to you because I was not wearing a mask. So we have good reasons to recommend masks, I guess.


259240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chrissie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1206 of 1470 🔗

Yes, absurd. It very much looks like they had to add these statements to get the study published. But they had 5000 people with and without MEDICAL masks and there was NO significant difference.

259350 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Cheezilla, #1207 of 1470 🔗

His hand is still aching.

259399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheezilla, #1208 of 1470 🔗

Bet he wasn’t doing any of this shit when he passed on flu or cold in the last years.

259286 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1209 of 1470 🔗

The standing protocol is to ignore it, as the show has to go on until the WHO says “pandemic over”
Facts, reason, evidence and science have got no part to play in any of this.

259195 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chrissie, #1210 of 1470 🔗

On the other hand, the Grad published this nonsense this morning. They’re getting desperate:

City’s pilot scheme stops hundreds who have Covid without symptoms from unwittingly spreading the virus


259236 ▶▶▶ chrissie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1211 of 1470 🔗

The tests find all infections over the past couple of months. People who had covid without symptoms even months ago. Who have never been and will never be infectious. The testing is absurd.

259255 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1212 of 1470 🔗

How do they know this?

259259 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1213 of 1470 🔗

Typical Groan fake news.

259306 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 1, #1214 of 1470 🔗

Their headlines give useful insight into the official propaganda. Know thine enemy!

259302 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to chrissie, 2, #1215 of 1470 🔗

That is a BIG BIG finding. As conclusive as it can be that if you don’t have symptoms you are no problem.

Finally !

259361 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Leemc23, #1216 of 1470 🔗

In Nature as well, who have been very zealous in pushing out any anti covid narrative. Huge indeed.

259371 ▶▶▶ chrissie, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1217 of 1470 🔗

Yes its huge. They COULD lift all measures immediately now. I am sure they will say “we need another 10 studies to believe it.”

259166 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 26, #1218 of 1470 🔗

Sun and the Mail reporting that 95% of “Covid” deaths had underlying conditions:


The news editors are turning, brothers and sisters; the writing’s on the wall now…

259170 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1219 of 1470 🔗

to be honest they’ve reported things like that before over the months.

259175 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1220 of 1470 🔗

Although I agree now you’ve got 2 of the biggest read papers reporting it’s surely not game over. It’s all planned of course, in preparation for the end of the lockdown on the 2nd of December.

259186 ▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Anothersceptic2, -1, #1221 of 1470 🔗

The US election is “over”.

259192 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to NappyFace, #1222 of 1470 🔗

I meant to say it’s over, not it’s not over, if that makes sense!

259181 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1223 of 1470 🔗

So you want everyone with an underlying condition to DIE?! (said the zealot, not me, just to make it clear!)

259212 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1224 of 1470 🔗

I just did a shallow dive into the Statistic Canada site and found the following, which is looking like it’s the same just about everywhere in the West:

Of the over 9,500 COVID-involved deaths between March and July, the majority (90%) had at least one other cause, condition or complication reported on the certificate.

Healthy young adults, adolescents and children who contracted the virus have been the least likely to develop severe complications from COVID-19, including death. In fact, 100% of the COVID-involved deaths of Canadians under the age of 45 as of July 31 had at least one other disease or condition certified on the medical certificate of death. The proportion of those with at least one other disease or condition decreases with age, ranging from 93% for those aged 45 to 64 to 89% for those aged 85 years or older.

Some deaths may have involved COVID-19 but were ultimately attributable to another disease such as ischemic heart disease, or an accidental injury such as a fall. These deaths do not consider COVID-19 as the underlying cause, but the virus was reported as being present on the medical certificate of death, either as a contributing cause or condition.

Nevertheless, COVID-19 was identified as the underlying cause of death in the vast majority (92%) of cases where COVID-19 was reported on the medical certificate (8,795 of the 9,525 deaths). In the other 8% of cases (730 deaths), cancer (170 deaths), dementia or Alzheimer’s (110 deaths), and other chronic conditions such as ischemic heart disease (105 deaths) or chronic lung disease (50 deaths) were most commonly found to be the underlying cause of death.

Hmmm, most of the people who died had comorbidities like those listed and yet these were only the underlying causes of death in 8% of cases??? And of course they admit in black and white that Covid was listed on the death certificate either as contributing cause or condition.

259358 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1225 of 1470 🔗

I’ve seen a similar stat in the Northern Irish figures for ICU. 8% have serious pre-existing comorbidities.
ICNARC – Reports

I think they have their reasons but would need to have someone lay it out in real detail for me.

The 95% with co-morbidity number aligns exactly with similar numbers in Ireland and the USA

259227 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1226 of 1470 🔗

A shifting Overton Window – how ideas move from derided to mainstream

a. Unthinkable – initial stage for Lockdown sceptics
b. Radical – despised and ridiculed by true believers
c. Acceptable (but minority) – but favoured by a significant minority, gaining some mainstream representation, previous orthodoxy is widely questioned ( I think we are here now )
d. Sensible – favoured by about half the population – true believers are very angry – but are now getting some ridicule from the centre
e. Popular – Favoured by majority
f. Policy – government acts due to pressure

The window is moving in our direction – I feel that the dam may break pretty quickly

259250 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1227 of 1470 🔗

Interesting … but think about how quickly the idea of putting the entire population under house arrest went from a -> f earlier this year…

259254 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1228 of 1470 🔗

What makes you think that?

259307 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #1229 of 1470 🔗

Reminds me of Schopenhauer:

“All truth passes throught three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident.”

259312 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1230 of 1470 🔗

And the saying attributed to Gandhi: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

259246 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1231 of 1470 🔗

Things do seem to be moving. Maybe the May faction think they can recapture the party. They may well be right and could just be using the ERG rump and anti-Lockdownism cynically.

259251 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 1, #1232 of 1470 🔗

Would May be any worse than Johnson?

259313 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1233 of 1470 🔗

Maybe they know the WEF will eat them breakfast.. Or maybe they’re just lying

259180 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 9, #1234 of 1470 🔗

OK – Just booked 1 weeks ski holiday in France. Done. Just me and the wife flying out 9th Jan.

Hot of the press we received 2 marketing emails in the last 2 days from French Ski Resorts. They would not bother do this unless Macron is giving them the nod to open up. We think it is going to happen. There is too much money at stake for France.

100% money back on the residence if we have to cancel because of flights or governments.

Weird thing is we booked the flights to Geneva about 2 months ago with BA leaving at 11.05 am from LHR T5 but had an email today saying the flight was cancelled and we had been bumped onto a much later flight which was massively inconvenient. Went through the option to change flight and managed to put us on the 11.00 am flight (5 minutes earlier). No idea why BA is trying to move us to a later time….(anticipating demand surge?) but if an airline makes a suggestion my tip is not to take the bait and see what the other options are.

Fingers crossed we will be able to go.

259183 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1235 of 1470 🔗

That’s very encouraging to know you actually were able to book it! Have a really nice time 🙂

259190 ▶▶ DRW, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1236 of 1470 🔗

Let’s hope you get to go and enjoy yourselves, let us know how it goes.

259237 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to DRW, 1, #1237 of 1470 🔗

Thanks DRW I will. The only slight concern is the French police but they are not as visible as they were during the months of March and April and I cannot envisage them hanging around in the evening issuing fines to tourists so it should be fine and normal.

259225 ▶▶ leggy, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1238 of 1470 🔗

I spoke to some friends today who have a chalet in that part of the world. They’re heading there on Monday for some “essential maintenance”. I was told that whilst BA used to operate many flights per day to Geneva (I think they said 10?!) they’re now down to one on Monday, one on Weds and one on Friday. The travel industry is doomed.

259266 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to leggy, 1, #1239 of 1470 🔗

Yes. Today this is true though for the future I hope BA may change. I observed whilst moving the booking that there are about 20 flights currently available with BA on one day from Heathrow to Geneva (Gatwick is scaled down for now, so Heathrow has more flights) – Saturday 9th Jan.

The travel industry and BA do not exactly help themselves (why don’t they employ someone in PR / Marketing to counter the obvious stupidity of governments?)

If BA cop out again (like they did at end of June when I had to drive to Switzerland because the cancelled our Zurich flights) we will simply wake up early and drive straight to the resort.

Euro tunnel have been consistently brilliant throughout this whole shit show. BA might need more time to sort out their issues.

259274 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1240 of 1470 🔗

To be fair, the logistics of aircraft positioning are rather complex compared to running a train back and forth in a tunnel 🙂 but yes, they really don’t help themselves. My flight to Stockholm a few weeks ago departed an hour late, essentially for no real operational reason (other than being BA!). I was a frequent business traveller for 20 years and I gave up on BA long time ago!

I hope you get to have your break.

259235 ▶▶ Sue, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1241 of 1470 🔗

best of luck with this – my ski trip to italy was cancelled in march and i was gutted. I haven’t booked anything this season as don’t have too much confidence in it happening but i hope for your sake it does!
I wouldn’t trust Macron in any case as he announced the closure to ski resorts/country on Saturday back in march – turnaround day for most skiers. So they flew in got to resort to be told you’re going back tomorrow pronto! Macron must have known of the closure and could have announced on the friday to avoid all those tourists travelling to Alps, but he didn’t.
Bon chance and want to hear the stories and vin chaud 🙂

259265 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to theanalyst, #1242 of 1470 🔗

Which resort are you going to?

259272 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1243 of 1470 🔗

Flaine – Small, easy to get to, and very snow sure 🙂 We will stay in Alderbaran…a concrete monstrosity with very high ceilings and walls 6 foot thick. Just what we need in this crazy world.


259287 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1244 of 1470 🔗

Everything in Flaine is a concrete monstrosity.

259314 ▶▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1245 of 1470 🔗

Yes 100% agree. – The buildings look ugly though I do sleep very well in them. Thick concrete walls agree with me. Soundproof and safe. Resorts like Meribel and Courchevel 1850 are my actual favorites!

I need somewhere a bit off radar and less mainstream this January so we can just chill out and enjoy the ski and the restaurants which are good in Flaine.

259269 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1246 of 1470 🔗

Good work. Thank you for supporting the ski industry. I worked in it for a few years and still have friends involved. I’m hoping to get out at Easter time but I’m not holding my breath!

A mate sent me this the other day regarding the folding on an operator that he used to work for. This was a very good company that had a lot of very dedicated staff. A tragedy.


259328 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1247 of 1470 🔗

We worked with and sold VIP Ski for over a decade and I know the boss well. Fantastic company and so sad. Amazing guy and beyond devastated but took the decision to fold now rather than mid season which cause cause more issues.

259185 James007, replying to James007, 31, #1248 of 1470 🔗

I had a debate with my wife today about how to behave towards a friend who is a born-again Covidian. She argued that provided they don’t try to constrain your freedoms, you should respect their faith and allow them their rituals.
We met another family we hadn’t seen since January today. As Covididians, the husband arrived in a separate car and stood across the road from the rest of his family. As his wife struggled with getting the pushchair out of the boot, he stood at a safe distance apart from my wife and children.
Then I walked with the husband separately from the others, maintaining a distance a number of meters behind. This was because according to Covidian beliefs, in the book of St Whitty, he who meeteth but one adult at a time shall be spared. (This is the rule of one, which to my astonishment is take literally by orthodox Covidians).
This is the most fideistic of faiths, which awaits the coming of the vaccine – rather like the second coming of Christ.
Based on my limited network, the more academic and intelligent a person, the more fervent their beliefs.

259189 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to James007, 4, #1249 of 1470 🔗

You are kidding surely? Underlying reasoning issues?

259194 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to James007, 12, #1250 of 1470 🔗

Academic perhaps, but certainly not intelligent.

259213 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #1251 of 1470 🔗

Intellectual yet Idiot – concept devised by Nassim Nicholas Taleb

– “ semi-intelligent well-pedigreed “who are telling us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for”.

They represent a very small minority of people but have an overwhelming impact on the vast majority because they affect government policy. IYI are often policy makers, academics, journalists, and media pundits.”

259370 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Aslangeo, #1252 of 1470 🔗

I could not resist this dig. It should be ‘for whom to vote’. ‘who to vote for’ is the sort of language up with which I will not put.

259471 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Stephanos, #1253 of 1470 🔗

Hmmm, I’m up for continuing to fight the losing battle for appropriate use of whom, but the purely stylistic worry about dangling prepositions is one I think is a pedantry too far….

259411 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Aslangeo, -1, #1254 of 1470 🔗

He’s spot on with that I think.

259218 ▶▶ leggy, replying to James007, 14, #1255 of 1470 🔗

These people really aren’t right in the head. Though being married to a geneticist, that’s long been my experience with a significant number of her academic friends. BTW, I don’t find much correlation between intelligence and academia either. What they do have is deep knowledge of a specific field, but often very little outside of it. Very often a lack of common sense.

259233 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to leggy, 6, #1256 of 1470 🔗

I second that. After working once at a scientific lab, I came to the conclusion that the boffins with letters after their names were as thick as two planks.

259279 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to leggy, 2, #1257 of 1470 🔗

I never thought much of Stephen Hawking’s opinions outside his own field.

259427 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Edward, #1258 of 1470 🔗

You knew him?

259294 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 3, #1259 of 1470 🔗

There are thick people who are clever and clever people who are thick

259426 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, #1260 of 1470 🔗

And self awareness.

259283 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to James007, 1, #1261 of 1470 🔗

Excellent analysis.

259425 ▶▶ John P, replying to James007, #1262 of 1470 🔗

That was a good post until the last sentence.

259188 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1263 of 1470 🔗

Just catching up from starting at the oldest posts, so apologies if I duplicate info.

Mail report on today’s demos. Dodgy juxtaposition of demo reporting and covid death stats but the pics of the sizeable crowds and police heavy handedness are useful.


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259210 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1264 of 1470 🔗

The comments on both articles are overwhelmingly sceptic.

259308 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1265 of 1470 🔗

That’s not policing – that’s thuggery

259380 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, #1266 of 1470 🔗

From officer, to overseer

259196 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #1267 of 1470 🔗

Update on the arrest warrant –

COVID-1984 UPDATE |20-11-20
After having no red flags raised by the legal advisers at Westminster Magistrates Court this week, we understand that the warrant application is now before the nominated judge and that a decision is imminent.
I realise that things are not happening as quickly as we would all like but please understand that it took six weeks to get to this stage in my family’s PCP against BOS and its receivers in 2013, so in reality the case has progressed at a relatively rapid pace.
We must also take into consideration the fact that, before he rules on the matter, the judge will have to ascertain whether the Director of Public Prosecutions is electing to take over the case, on the ground that it is of such importance that it cannot run as a private prosecution.
Either way, in the absence of a miscarriage of justice, the warrant will be issued and as soon as there are any developments, you will read about them on this page.

This has been submitted under the Peoples Union of Britain PUB


259239 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 2, #1268 of 1470 🔗

It will be rejected. On that we can agree.

259456 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, #1269 of 1470 🔗

I think the usual procedure, iirc, is to take it over and shut it down.

259197 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1270 of 1470 🔗

After seeing this image today on Twitter, I do find it hard to believe that Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum are just a bunch of elite rich corporates gathering from time to time, to have a chat.

259201 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1271 of 1470 🔗

It’s apparently some sort of University graduation type garb! That’ll be the University set up by the Sith Lord Emporer Palpatine I suspect…

259346 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1272 of 1470 🔗

Yes it is. I have just found it. Seems he accepted an honorary degree or professorship. https://en.ktu.edu/news/professor-klaus-schwab-there-is-a-lack-of-skills-not-jobs/ Feel slightly better that is isn’t quite so satanic!

259208 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1273 of 1470 🔗

The motto scientia, ingenium, virtus (Knowledge, ability, strength) and a variation on the crest appear to belong, or to have belonged at some point to Kaunas University of Technology in Lithuania. Lovely city incidentally.

259214 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, 3, #1274 of 1470 🔗

Got to have the horned animal in there somewhere, eh Klaus?

259234 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1275 of 1470 🔗

Always remember the Schwab test. Would Klaus approve? If he would, don’t do it!

259347 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1276 of 1470 🔗

He doesn’t look very ”elite” to me. Can’t we find another word to describe this bunch?

259475 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Banjones, #1277 of 1470 🔗


259376 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1278 of 1470 🔗

Davos is missing a letter..

259216 DThom, replying to DThom, 4, #1279 of 1470 🔗

In Darlington town centre today. Could not believe it! – pre recorded loud speaker system from the clock tower handing out virus warnings/info.

259232 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DThom, 2, #1280 of 1470 🔗

Welcome to the Democratic Republic of Nowt Career!

259285 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 3, #1281 of 1470 🔗

I saw two Covid Wombles in my town today, masked up, walking along chatting to each other, walking across the (emptyish) common towards a wooded path that leads to a quiet residential area and then fields and woods, just locals and dog walkers, and cows. Fuck only knows what they were expecting to do. They didn’t look local. Madness.

259316 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 1, #1282 of 1470 🔗

How do you recognise them? Do they have Covid written on them?

259319 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bugle, 1, #1283 of 1470 🔗

Hi-vis jackets with “Covid enforcement assistance” or something like it written on them.

259334 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Julian, #1284 of 1470 🔗

a spot of dogging perhaps?

259342 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DThom, #1285 of 1470 🔗

That shows us the tide is far from turning and the battle is still a long one. These people sit in their council meetings and ask:

“So – big speaker on the clock tower for added fear?”

“Genius, pay for it out of the Lockdown Chest that arrived from London yesterday”

259229 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #1286 of 1470 🔗

Straw on the wind? Seems Facebook have changed Joe Biden’s tag back to “politician” from “President Elect”…

259260 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to OKUK, 2, #1287 of 1470 🔗

Interesting …

Watching a great discussion between Glenn Beck and Douglas Murray. I know how to live on a Saturday night!


259271 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1288 of 1470 🔗

There are several very good videos of Sidney Powell talking to Lou Dobbs .
Well worth finding .

259299 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1289 of 1470 🔗

There’s lots of good stuff on Sidney Powell’s twitter account. Either she’s a total BSer (no evidence so far) or next week will be totally explosive.

259311 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to OKUK, 1, #1290 of 1470 🔗

She’s the real deal. Remember the opposition she faces.

259315 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to OKUK, 1, #1291 of 1470 🔗

I’ve been following this since 2015 , she seems real and rescued Gen Flynn. Not sure about Giuliani too much swamp history etc
Lin Wood also worth finding.

259326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bill Grates, #1292 of 1470 🔗

I too have [small] question marks about Rudy G, partly because in his mafia-takedown days as a NY Attorney he maneuvered a pretty softball deal to Sammy ‘the bull’ Gravano, who was responsible for 17+ murders, so he could get the headlines as the man who brought down Gotti. But… he is a grafter, give him that. around 9/11 he was very widely praised, and arguably a severe illness derailed a possible Presidential bid a few years ago, which would have given Clinton, Obama & co a legitimate headache, I suspect. So we shall see. He seems to me, to be a put up or shut up kinda guy. If he didn’t have something in his pocket, he wouldn’t be talking. imo.

259349 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1293 of 1470 🔗

Rudy seems to play both sides.
he certainly was praised for a good job on the 9/11 thing – unfortunately a good job the wrong way. There’s so much seriously dirty washing in US govt.
There seems little doubt they have a good chance to clean up some of the embedded corruption, though the media is as usual ignoring it.
Only Glenn Greenwald worth listening from the left.

259506 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1294 of 1470 🔗

…around 9/11 he was very widely praised,

By the same msm who brought you covid …

259340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1295 of 1470 🔗

Wasn’t Giuliani the mayor who is credited with the effective ”zero tolerance” policing that brought down the crime rate in NY?

259352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Banjones, #1296 of 1470 🔗

I believe so.

259401 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Banjones, #1297 of 1470 🔗

Yep, & the current Governor is being credited with crime going through the roof (a dozen shootings being reported in 11,12-hour spans, quite regularly) and hundreds of thousands fleeing the city… he is being honoured with an Emmy.

259297 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1298 of 1470 🔗

Douglas Murray has sadly joined the deluded “Biden won a free and fair election” crowd. Odd that, since it means putting Illah Omar in charge of American policy on said religion…

As for Macron, it’s all play-acting to ensure he can defeat the populist challenge in the next election. NYT writing critical articles can only help him in the deception.

259305 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to OKUK, 1, #1299 of 1470 🔗

I know. DM is only prepared to swim against the tide on some matters. I think/hope that he just prefers to pick his battles and only engages on a subject once he can win the debate. I’ve never seen him question climate change for e.g. and he often describes Clive James (an avid sceptic) as a very good friend.

I’m prepared to cut him some slack as he’s been stellar on other topics. ‘The Strange Death of Europe’ is a brilliant book.

100% in agreement ref Macron. French friends who would never have considered voting Le Pen before are now seriously considering it. Macron will say all the right things to win the vote then water everything down once in power. Just like the Pig Dictator and ‘Get Brexit Done’.

259253 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cotton, 7, #1302 of 1470 🔗

An article devoid of any statistics or data to support the arguments. Worthless.

259339 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1303 of 1470 🔗

“I don’t have space here to debunk and fact check them all”

‘Nuff said. Put up or shut up. I’ve fact checked my assertions.

Has he been disciplined for talking to the press? 🙂

259359 ▶▶▶▶ Cotton, replying to RickH, 2, #1304 of 1470 🔗

That made me laugh the most (grimace perhaps) – “I don’t have time to debunk” = I can’t debunk as the actual numbers disagree with me and I’ve not engaged with them anyway.

259241 nightspore, replying to nightspore, 9, #1305 of 1470 🔗

The other day I ran into an article in the local newspaper that talked about “the new normal”. Think this is going away any time soon?

This whole thing seems to me to be another front in a world wide struggle. One doesn’t have to posit a conspiracy in the usual dramaturgical terms to conclude that the elites of the world are going for broke.

259325 ▶▶ leggy, replying to nightspore, 1, #1306 of 1470 🔗

It’s right there in the intro of Schwab’s book that the powers that be would seem to be signed up to.

“Many of us are pondering when life will return to normal. The short response: never”.

This is a civilisation changing agenda at work. I’d still love to know the reason why they think it’s necessary.

259333 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, 1, #1307 of 1470 🔗

Power. And the influence of a cult.

259331 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to nightspore, 3, #1308 of 1470 🔗

They’re not ”elite”! Anything but.

259384 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Banjones, #1309 of 1470 🔗

More like gluttonous, distended, humanoid parasites, if you ask me.

259351 ▶▶ DRW, replying to nightspore, 2, #1310 of 1470 🔗

Unsurprising, most local newspapers are ran by seconded or former BBC staff.

259249 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #1311 of 1470 🔗


Watch the video embedded to see a team of british police attack a man they have pinned to the ground. They repeatedly punch the man in the head. The circle of police keeping the attack isolated from the crowd are complicit – they should have the human strength of character to step in to prevent the police thugs from battering the man.

Apologies if repost. Ls with its new mask adverts is unfunctional on my device. Several minutes of loading per post.

259258 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 4, #1312 of 1470 🔗

Do you think its real, ie trying to stop further protests through fear or trying to provoke?

259281 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Dan Clarke, #1313 of 1470 🔗

It’s real they will use the army next

259362 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #1314 of 1470 🔗

No they won’t.

259289 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Basics, 8, #1315 of 1470 🔗

Seems to me the tide is turning….but what do I know. The DM is, since yesterday, using the phrase ‘chanting freedom’ instead of the phrase ‘conspiracy theorists’

259320 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Basics, 1, #1316 of 1470 🔗

The more posts you load on this site, the worse the performance gets. My poor old laptop grinds to a halt after a while. The only thing you can do is to reload the page and start again.

If you are looking for earlier posts, consider using Panscepticon . It’s not a live mirror, but it’s generally not too far behind the main site. It doesn’t use JavaScript, so it’s nice and quick. Once you’ve found the post you want, there’s a link back to the main site on the right hand side.

259322 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Basics, 6, #1317 of 1470 🔗

Disgusting and completely unnecessary aggression from the police, I’ve witnessed it first hand twice in London. The British (?) police are making themselves the enemies of the public, highly dangerous for all concerned. How long will it be before they get given a taste of their own medicine? They may think they’re shit-proof but I wonder if they have really considered the degree of animosity they are storing up for themselves.

259447 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Basics, 1, #1318 of 1470 🔗

at bristol peaceful protest last week 14 people arrested – very strong armed tactics by a febrile police prats – a guy arrested had his wrist broken by them!!
Shocking to say the least!

259479 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, #1319 of 1470 🔗

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259261 Danny, replying to Danny, 37, #1320 of 1470 🔗

So I see the government have condemned the Daily Mail story out today which surprisingly dared to air the truth about Covid in a mainstream news outlet.
Apparently it is misleading and dangerous.
The BBC and the guardian giving rolling access to the unelected zealots of SAGE, and allowing them to make statements such as “see your gran at xmas, bury her a month after” with all the mental anguish and fear that may cause in the vulnerable people that live off a diet of TV news, is not a problem?

259268 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Danny, 16, #1321 of 1470 🔗

They are sc*m, the DM article got a lot of positive traction before being bumped down

259276 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Danny, 9, #1322 of 1470 🔗

Where are they condemning it? They’ll need to take on the Sun too.. let’s hope these media big-hitters stand firm.

259288 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1323 of 1470 🔗

The problem is the DM and DT have been very good at blowing both ways.

259300 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 4, #1324 of 1470 🔗

Which makes it all the more valuable if DM defend their position. It might trigger a more consistent editorial approach. If it goes the other way they can be of no further use to the cause.

259330 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to DRW, 11, #1325 of 1470 🔗

Agree. I’ve been so disappointed with the DT COVID reporting – basically parroting SAGE press office propaganda except for a couple of sceptical articles – that I’ve cancelled my subs. I had to phone them to do this (previously could do it online) and was obviously asked why I was cancelling. Well, in as polite a way as possible I gave them both barrels. The very kind call handler was supportive and said the call was being recorded and she would pass on my comments (anti mask, anti lockdowns, anti tiers, anti vaccine and all the awful costs and impacts of the aforementioned and pro-GBD). By the time I’d finished going through my reasons I think she was probably close to putting me in touch with The Samaritans such was my despair. I thanked her, she was very genuine, and said I hope they listen and if I detect a change in direction in calling out this nonsense then I’ll reconsider. ‘What will you miss?’ she had to ask. ‘Accessing the comments section, majority of which are lockdown sceptical’. I don’t know if it will make an ounce of difference, but that was my little stand for the day.

259348 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #1326 of 1470 🔗

It was good early on for allowing sceptical arguments but our expectations are now much higher.

259295 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1327 of 1470 🔗

Same question from me – I’d love to see what they’ve said.

259310 ▶▶▶ Brian D, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1328 of 1470 🔗


Here’s the link…the replies after the DHSC one will make you smile

259321 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Brian D, 3, #1329 of 1470 🔗

Thanks! I am grinning from ear to ear!

259329 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1330 of 1470 🔗

The comments are indeed uplifting.

The facade would appear to be suffering some significant structural setbacks.

Best hopes

259332 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Brian D, 1, #1331 of 1470 🔗

Yes – it’s a masterpiece, ready for deconstruction :

This article is misleading.
(So demonstrate how)

This is a global pandemic
(Yes – according to the latest WHO revision of the definition, which now includes the mildest of infections that spread widely – like the common cold)

– national restrictions have been introduced to keep people safe and save lives.
(and on what evidence/risk assessments are these restrictions based? And why do they contradict recent strategy documents?)

It is vital people follow the rules and continue to stay at home so we can bring the transmission rates back down and get back to normality.
(What evidence that transmission rates and prevalence are unusually high? What evidence for not returning to ‘normal’ now?)

259335 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Brian D, 1, #1332 of 1470 🔗

Haha, is that all they’ve got? It’s “misleading”? Fuck me, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

259497 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Brian D, #1333 of 1470 🔗

Department of Health and Social Care


Replying to @DailyMailUK

This article is misleading. This is a global pandemic – national restrictions have been introduced to keep people safe and save lives.

It is vital people follow the rules and continue to stay at home so we can bring the transmission rates back down and get back to normality.

I heard this being read in an alien/robotic sort of voice. Am I going bonkers ?

259317 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1334 of 1470 🔗

Indeed. If the Gov. are that confident, ‘see you in court’ should suffice, surely?

259280 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Danny, 8, #1335 of 1470 🔗

I think this might be another example of their hubris being their undoing. Probably a mistake for a Tory PM to take on the Daily Mail.

259290 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Danny, 8, #1336 of 1470 🔗

If everyone keeps their nerve and refuses to accept defeat, history and true science and humanity will see these malevolent messiahs and their warped agenda crucified. It’s no less than they deserve.

259304 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1337 of 1470 🔗

It’s if the majority can see through them.

259366 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to DRW, #1338 of 1470 🔗

If this lesson cannot be learned by Parliament or the Judiciary or through any sort of civilised public debate, then it will have to be taught on the streets. If we fail we will have ourselves to blame.

259292 ▶▶ DThom, replying to Danny, #1339 of 1470 🔗

DM also offering free Xmas face masks!

259301 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Danny, 1, #1340 of 1470 🔗

(Behind paywall) but it’s clear that they will use testing as a stepping stone to mass vaccinations.

259338 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to merlin, 3, #1341 of 1470 🔗

What a load of bollocks!


A source familiar with the plans said that the scheme would allow people to lead as normal a life as possible while the Government’s vaccine programme gets up to speed on a mass scale early in the new year.

The source said: “They will allow someone to wander down the streets, and if someone else asks why they are not wearing a mask, they can show the card, letter or an App.”

“The source” is obviously a dickhead.

259393 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1342 of 1470 🔗

Indeed, if I’m walking down the street and somebody asks me why I’m not wearing a mask, I’ll be telling them to fuck off and mind their own business, not producing a card, letter or app.

259344 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to merlin, 3, #1343 of 1470 🔗

so 140 million tests per week and millions of false positives to go with them leaving a large chunk of the population locked up every week. Who dreams up these ideas?

259360 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to A Heretic, 3, #1344 of 1470 🔗

Somebody who is mentally ill. Sounds like moonshit squared.

259441 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to merlin, #1345 of 1470 🔗

for god’s sake will a grown up in parliament stand up to this shit!? It’s going too far now!

259394 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Danny, #1346 of 1470 🔗

Have they actually refuted it with actual evidence? Or just told us that it’s “dangerous” and that’s that?

259284 Qwerty, 14, #1347 of 1470 🔗

Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me.

259323 Jeremy, replying to Jeremy, 9, #1348 of 1470 🔗

I don’t believe this poll for one second. They’re just softening us up for the inevitable.


From the website of Opinium, the company who conducted the poll.

https://www.opinium.com/what-we-do/thought-leadership/&nbsp ;

“Our research helps clients inform and shape public conversations .”


259341 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jeremy, 4, #1349 of 1470 🔗

Rather like asking, “Would you prefer to be shot or hanged?”

259367 ▶▶ chrissie, replying to Jeremy, 3, #1350 of 1470 🔗

The polls are rigged.

259391 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jeremy, 2, #1351 of 1470 🔗

We’ll be in covid restrictions until January whether or not they “allow” us to have Christmas.

Guardian readers can stay at home alone if they like (and I say this as a former Guardian reader). It’s time we were all allowed to make our own decisions like the capable adults we (mostly) are.

259428 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1352 of 1470 🔗

Probably March given the furlough extension, especially now thry’ve got the “vaccine” carrot to wave.

259324 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 4, #1353 of 1470 🔗

Here’s a very interesting dive into the links between the Davos mob, Gates, wellcome foundation, WHO, World Bank, etc, and the cash flows being set up for vaccine preparedness. Even our very own Dr Jeremy Farrar gets a bit part.


Quite shocking, even for a fairly hardened cynic….

259356 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bill h, 2, #1354 of 1470 🔗

The Covid Cabal for short

259374 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Bill h, 1, #1355 of 1470 🔗

Wrench in the gears .com is worth a visit for good info on all of this.

259354 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1359 of 1470 🔗

The tide is turning…


Another step in the right direction. Curfew over from 2nd December?

This is Boris trying to be the leader. He is a shit leader. Don’t/ Never forget that he was the leader but has not led effectively since March 2020. Thousands of infirm and elderly people have died because of Boris/ Matt and the Tories with their useless policies and decision to use fear against the populace. (like emptying hospitals at the peak of epidemic and transferring people to infect care homes,) …and I voted for them…never again.

259364 ▶▶ leggy, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1360 of 1470 🔗

Carrot/stick. They haven’t invested so much in this to give it up easily. Still plenty of fighting to be done yet.

259369 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to leggy, 8, #1361 of 1470 🔗

I think they threw 70,000 people out of hospital beds at the peak of the epidemic. Why would anyone do that? The figures might have been a bit lower but wtf? How could anyone with any compassion or empathy do that? The hospital beds are still not full 9 months later – excess deaths at home are 700 plus per week. This is criminal. Boris is a twat.

259470 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to theanalyst, #1362 of 1470 🔗

I’m sure that at some time in future, it will be presented in court, that the instruction to transfer patents from hospitals to care homes at the height of an epidemic was malicious, not incompetence. I hope I’m in the public gallery.

259372 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1363 of 1470 🔗

Fills me with dread when there is yet another announcement from Johnson, why dont they just do one for a few weeks

259493 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, #1364 of 1470 🔗

Because it fills you with dread, Dan. They really are that nasty and calculating.

259379 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1365 of 1470 🔗

I can’t see any of the other parties doing things differently, they all piss in each other’s pockets after all. Whatever happens, we must not allow ourselves to be bought off by being fitted with a looser straightjacket. If we sell our liberty cheaply, it will be bought back in blood.

259389 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1366 of 1470 🔗

It sounds worse than it was before lockdown to me. I was in tier 1 then. Very few places will be tier 1 from 3 Dec I bet.

259357 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 11, #1367 of 1470 🔗

Prof Francois Balloux just tweeted that he’s been going through some old articles. I was late to the party so hadn’t seen this particular one from 2nd Feb 2020. Some of it seems eerily familiar:

China’s reaction to the coronavirus outbreak violates human rights

China is not a democracy and the people cannot remove their leaders from power for governance failures related to the coronavirus outbreak. People expressing discontent online can go to prison. There is no free press and journalists trying to report on the frontline are obstructed, detained, and their stories deleted from the internet. Medical staff are gagged. Civil society organisations decimated by Xi’s crackdowns on human rights cannot work on the frontlines to support hospitals and communities. Frightened netizens are labelled “rumour-mongers”.

This should not be the new standard for outbreak response. The WHO should abide by its own human rights principles and demand the Chinese government end its censorship and police suppression surrounding the coronavirus outbreak.

259368 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1368 of 1470 🔗

Sounds like Europe, Canada, Australia…

259381 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1369 of 1470 🔗

I was looking at the human rights and declaration when this post came up. It does seem to me that all this talk about whether we can have Christmas or not or the need to have a pass to move around runs completely counter to Human Rights. It is staggering that in such a short space of time we are discussing degrees to which we will ignore the Human rights Act rather than whether we should infringe it at all. After 9 months and with current data so normal, there is no emergency, if we are going to continue with lockdown restrictions we should be formally renouncing the Declaration of Human Rights and rescinding the Human Rights Act.
The idea of implementing Public Health by legal dictat is unprecedented in my lifetime and is a complete anathema to all the freedoms that I hold dear, how so many can so easily and so readily throw them away is shocking. It is Sunday tomorrow and so a quote from the good book maybe in order;
Jeremiah 5-21
Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear:

259388 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1370 of 1470 🔗

All this for a relatively mild disease. Imagine what they would do for something far worse.

259373 leggy, replying to leggy, 15, #1371 of 1470 🔗

Police in Paris following on from the Italians and removing their riot helmets in solidarity with the protesters.


259405 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to leggy, 2, #1372 of 1470 🔗

Thank you, that gives me hope.

259418 ▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, #1373 of 1470 🔗

I don’t believe this for a second. It’s a tactic to diffuse tensions when outnumbered by protestors. How is removing a helmet going to end totalitarianism?

259375 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1374 of 1470 🔗

Once again our Government make major news announcement at 10.30 Saturday night. At this rate Sir Lindsay Hoyle will be voting against the Govt.

259383 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to crimsonpirate, 25, #1375 of 1470 🔗

What the fucking hell are these morons aiming for ? This takes the piss. Leave people alone on the weekend. It’s fucking bad enough being locked up for zero ZERO reason. “Tougher” why ? Seriously. Why ? What am I missing ???

Someone please arrest these wankers.

Dripping out “tougher” restrictions on a Saturday. Tougher how, we can’t see our friends ? Nope that’s already in place. Can’t take out our kids anywhere ? Nope that’s already in place. Can’t go to the cinema / pubs / restaurants / anywhere nice ? Nope that’s already in place. Just fuck off you utter utter pricks.

259386 ▶▶ l835, replying to crimsonpirate, 13, #1376 of 1470 🔗

There’s no point even pretending we’re not in a totalitarian dictatorship now.

259387 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1377 of 1470 🔗

So apparently if the plebs can see the new Bond film they will all shut up until spring, even though it will still be illegal to visit their own families and friends.

And our efforts during lockdown have apparently eased pressures on the NHS. According to the govt’s own admissions data, this remains much the same as it did pre-lockdown so WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?

And Tier 3 will be a lot tighter than it was before? So full lockdown will continue for half the country then?

259395 ▶▶ steph, replying to crimsonpirate, 11, #1378 of 1470 🔗

Oh for God’s sake Boris just shut up. We will not comply. End of.

259404 ▶▶ CGL, replying to crimsonpirate, #1379 of 1470 🔗

What have they said – I darent look

259407 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to CGL, 2, #1380 of 1470 🔗

Tougher post lockdown measures than pre lockdown. Don’t know how the hell it’s going to be “tougher”. Maybe they are going to gimp mask everyone outside the house ?

259420 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Leemc23, #1381 of 1470 🔗

and an extra hour to finish your drinks

259435 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1382 of 1470 🔗

I’ve got a horrible feeling you might be right. If they feel they’re losing control of the narrative, that might be how they ratchet it back. Plus the added benefit of making lots of people ill through wearing manky bits of cloth on their face in winter. Push up the numbers a bit. Cynic? Moi?

259433 ▶▶ Al T, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1383 of 1470 🔗

Quite apart from this dreadful habit of briefing the BBC ahead of the official announcement, can these FUDS not even leave us in peace on a Saturday evening?

Another lockdown by any other name. but likely not time limited and no idea or challenge as to why an area has been allocated to a given tier. Or how it gets out of it.

Surely the CRG cannot accept this. If Pubs and restaurants can’t trade anywhere near normal in the run up to Christmas, many just will not survive.

259377 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1384 of 1470 🔗

Remember when scientists used to say when the facts they change their mind?

259400 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1385 of 1470 🔗

Yes, but they’re trying to change the facts to change our minds!

259417 ▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2020, -1, #1386 of 1470 🔗

Not all scientist are like that.

259445 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John P, #1387 of 1470 🔗

Good thing you’re around to tell us these things John.

259459 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2020, -1, #1388 of 1470 🔗

“Us?” We are all entitled to speak our minds here.

Free speech means that everyone is entitled to a voice. Even you and I.

I didn’t like the comment, but I didn’t try to insult you, did I?

259466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John P, #1389 of 1470 🔗

I guess that’s why you downvoted my comment because you are a champion of free speech.

259397 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1390 of 1470 🔗

Daily Mail: PETER HITCHENS: It doesn’t matter how you vote… the Greens always win.

259419 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1391 of 1470 🔗

I notice you can’t comment on it…..now I wonder why 🤔

259422 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1392 of 1470 🔗

You can only comment when one of his blog pieces I think

259440 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrea Salford, #1393 of 1470 🔗

If you want to comment on Peter Hitchens click here 🙂

259452 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1394 of 1470 🔗

As Labour leader Keir Starmer discovered in his Trotskyist 20s, a moralising, self-righteous alleged concern for the planet is the new Marxism .”

Indeed. Marxism was just one form that radicalism took, which dominated for a century and more. Greenism is another form of the same approach to life.

Radicalism is the idea that human ideologies can understand the world, diagnose its ills, and if the existing order can just be sufficiently torn apart then the acolytes of the particular form of radicalism can and will build it back better.

It invariably ends in disaster when it is allowed free rein, as in Russia, Cambodia, China. As has been pointed out before, there is no more certain way to create a living Hell than to try to create Heaven on Earth.

Those past Hells created by radicals came to an end, in large part because there was always somewhere outside them to resist and to show that there was another way, and a better way. Will that be the case now, if and when the radicals once establish a global misrule, de facto or de jure? I doubt it, myself. I foresee an endless tyranny, with nowhere outside to hide or to run to. Then again, I always tend towards pessimism.

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259442 ▶▶ John P, replying to Voz 0db, #1402 of 1470 🔗

Yes, I think we got the point …

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259437 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Voz 0db, #1404 of 1470 🔗

Good graphs Voz! I think we can all agree there is no rational case for masking and it is all about social control.

259434 Ben, replying to Ben, 1, #1405 of 1470 🔗

The nightmare never ends

A needless and vicious attack on UK civil liberties. Freedom is at the mercy of PCR tests


259444 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 2, #1406 of 1470 🔗

Oh, another thing that turns out not to be a conspiracy theory after all.

259449 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, 1, #1407 of 1470 🔗

Who said it was?

259453 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 1, #1408 of 1470 🔗

Not us I guess.

259446 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 4, #1409 of 1470 🔗

How can they do this? How will they be allowed to? Does the law not have any say at all?

259451 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, #1410 of 1470 🔗

Maybe it’s how they get to use this new law to best effect.

259460 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 3, #1411 of 1470 🔗

OMG, this is terrible.

259464 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1412 of 1470 🔗

There is no point in living anymore

The psychopaths at SAGE are terrorising us. I’m hoping that I die in my sleep

F* * * every single person who’s called for lockdown

My Government is breaking me

259467 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 1, #1413 of 1470 🔗

Not so. You can choose whether or not you allow it to get to you.

Toby provides a link to the Samaritans. 116 123. Phone them. I have done so myself many times over the years.

259496 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 2, #1414 of 1470 🔗

Don’t let these fuckers win.

259465 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Ben, 3, #1415 of 1470 🔗

Oh please. Testing us all once a year is beyond them. The idea of testing 40 million-odd people twice a week is just fantasy.

259468 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Miss Owl, 4, #1416 of 1470 🔗

To say nothing of the fact that they would have to force it on people like me.

I point blank refuse to be tested.

259476 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #1417 of 1470 🔗

a most encouraging comment, thanks!

259448 leggy, 1, #1418 of 1470 🔗

Issue 3 of The Light Paper is out – worth a look.

259450 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 12, #1419 of 1470 🔗

Sad news my friends. I hold my head in shame as my community has finally been nailed with an all mask indoor mandate. There’s no exemptions unless you’re unable to put one on yourself. I’ve taken part in the satanic ritual a few times since Friday.

I noticed bandanas in 7/11 many weeks ago so I bought a couple 3 packs and prepared for hell on earth as a zombie. Now, if you fold a bandana up nicely it covers your face but there’s no seal below the nose, and this is what I’ve done. No trouble at all breathing in fresh air and exhaling my waste out in the same fashion. All look and no function whatsoever…perfection!

I feel like a moron as soon as I put the damn thing on so my behaviour in stores has also taken on a moronic style. I walk around like a madman randomly saying “masks suck!!” at a good loud volume. Or I break into a verse of Media Bear’s Safety Mask while I’m walking past a line up or whatever. As soon as I leave a store I rip the thing off and yell “MASKS SUCK!!” one more time for good measure. One dude replied “they sure do!” when I did it 10 minutes ago. Yes!! This isn’t so bad after all.

Nah, it’s f**king awful being part of this s**t now. The A-holes are just loving watching all us cattle roam around with our face diapers on like a bunch of emotionless drones. I’m wearing one but breathing normally but still wearing it makes me dead inside. I’m going to start knocking down store displays by faking a feint due to my mask suffocating me. I’m taking out the Doritos display next time!!

259454 ▶▶ John P, replying to Eddie, 1, #1420 of 1470 🔗

“Sad news my friends. I hold my head in shame as my community has finally been nailed with an all mask indoor mandate.”

Where is this? How are they going to enforce it?

259455 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Eddie, 2, #1421 of 1470 🔗

Solidarity brother – no shame on you. Fight it however you can.

259483 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, 4, #1422 of 1470 🔗

Insert face masks into toilet rolls in public facilities …that will give people a nasty surprise and create the right association in their minds.

259486 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to OKUK, 1, #1423 of 1470 🔗

oh good idea

259490 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, 1, #1424 of 1470 🔗

You might be on to something there. I don’t want to stoop to govt levels of psychology and I detest littering, but maybe we should make a point of leaving disgusting, soiled masks in prominent places where they’ll be seen. Sow some seeds of doubt.

259533 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to leggy, #1425 of 1470 🔗

We see too many of those filthy face diapers thrown away everywhere. On walkways, in parking lots, in shrubbery, at store entrances. People are disgusting.

259481 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Eddie, 1, #1426 of 1470 🔗

‘wearing it makes me dead inside’: I deeply sympathise. I have worn a mask once, for about two minutes. It was at the hairdresser’s, at the beginning of the mask madness, when I didn’t know yet that I could refuse to comply in business premises (I wasn’t sure the legal exemption covered private property). I put it on and felt that everything was over, my world had ended. I felt that I might disappear from myself, and that it wouldn’t matter because I was nothing. In the mirror, my face had gone and there were just my eyes, and I was frightened by how frightened they were. I felt that I might as well die.

Hang in there, Eddie. Every time you have to wear it, think about us. Think about the funniest thing you’ve read here recently. At low moments in the supermarket (never masked, but sometimes feeling the isolation very badly), I like to summon up the bons mots of Cecil B.

259527 ▶▶ John Major, replying to Eddie, #1427 of 1470 🔗

Hi, Eddie!

First time poster, but I wanted to correct something, assuming it’s mistaken. I believe you’re in Vancouver, no? This is what Bonnie Henry said yesterday:

The mask mandate applies to indoor public spaces and retail environments, where customers and employees alike are required to cover their faces.
Henry noted there is an exemption for children under the age of two and anyone who is unable to wear a mask.
“We know that there are people with certain conditions and disabilities that, in some ways, would make mask-wearing challenging,” she said. “And we need to be aware that some people’s disabilities or inability to wear a mask may not be readily apparent.”

So, there seems to be no change in provincial exemptions. Whether overzealous retailers believe differently is, of course, another matter.

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259458 leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #1429 of 1470 🔗

“Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he or she sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.”

Robert F. Kennedy

259473 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to leggy, 16, #1430 of 1470 🔗

Tomorrow I’m going to go to the station, unmasked, and travel by train, unmasked, to the coast. I’ll buy lunch from a takeaway (unmasked) and probably some chocolate from a supermarket (unmasked). After an afternoon walking by the sea and visiting my favourite colony of cormorants, I shall travel home, unmasked. Every other person in the station, trains, cafes and supermarket will be wearing a piece of paper or fabric strung across their face. By not wearing such an object, I will be either breaking the law or acting according to a legal exemption (this is an ambiguous point).

By going unmasked all day tomorrow (as every day), I will be engaging in an act of political resistance. It does feel like a very tiny ripple of hope indeed. I always look out for other people with faces, hoping for a ripple to reach me wherever I am.

It’s very hard to believe what I’ve just written. Remember, say, November 2019, or even February 2020. How has this happened? How have we come to this?

259480 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Alethea, 6, #1431 of 1470 🔗

You’re brave Alethea. Keep making those ripples. I hope our ripples cross and help to build a current 🙂 stay sane. We’ll win.

259462 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 13, #1432 of 1470 🔗

This is a strait jacket. Everybody should be made to wear one on the off chance thay they are unknowingly a danger to somebody else. We cannot know the actual risk but it is almost certainly higher than zero. Better safe than sorry folks.

Remember, my strait jacket protects you, your strait jacket protects me.

259469 ▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1433 of 1470 🔗

And I’m quite sure that some would wear them if they were told to by Johnson!

259472 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Nobody2020, #1434 of 1470 🔗

Yes buddy yes!! This is the kind of smart ass sarcasm I love. I’m going to make my own meme for Instagram if you don’t mind!

259474 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1435 of 1470 🔗

I don’t like your tone. I suspect you may want people to die from wholly preventable psychopathic spree killings.

259488 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Alethea, 1, #1436 of 1470 🔗

I could have countered with madness is not contageous but i’m not so sure about that now.

259463 Ramage, replying to Ramage, 11, #1437 of 1470 🔗

Evening everyone – thank goodness this site exists and I am so grateful to the people who run and research it.
Something didn’t feel right a long time ago – the lightbulb moment to explain why was reading mike Yeadon’s article on 16th October and then listening to his excellent podcast on a long drive up to Scotland (now banned!).
It’s very reassuring to know that we needn’t be as terrified as the government wants us to be.
But it’s incredibly frustrating not knowing what we can actually do to change things.
I have written to my MP (Redwood – to be fair he voted against) and also Brady who chairs the 1922.
I spread the word when I can and point fellow sceptics (there are a lot) to this page.
If I take one crumb of comfort it’s that the court of public opinion seems far from convinced – Using the daily mail comments voting as a barometer of national sentiment suggests that many others have now simply had enough.
In the meantime I intend to do all I can to help and support vulnerable and lonely people nearby who feel utterly despondent. Even if we are all angry if we can all do that in the meantime it will make a small but very important difference.
It’s great to know I can connect with sane and rational people on here so thanks again for those who research and run this site – it really helps.

259495 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ramage, 3, #1438 of 1470 🔗

We will all have our views on how to tackle things. I tend more to the revolutionary defeatism model… we should not engage with the lie machine, we should not welcome any of their cynical relaxations in lockdown measures and we should not express support for vaccination as a route out of our captivity (this is not a pro or anti vaccination point, it’s about how you deal with lying propaganda).

259498 ▶▶▶ Ramage, replying to OKUK, 2, #1439 of 1470 🔗

I certainly agree it’s not worth rationally engaging with an entirely irrational set of rules. Vaccination – my view is that if I don’t think I need it then I won’t be choosing to have it. And no MSM that doesn’t make me: anti vax / a covid denier / any other patronising spin you want to aim in my direction

259477 John P, replying to John P, 1, #1440 of 1470 🔗

Interesting discussion on internet censorship with Jimmy Dore and Glenn Greenwald:


259484 ▶▶ Klein, replying to John P, 1, #1441 of 1470 🔗

I like Jimmy Dore, he sees through a lot of the shite. Wish he was more sceptical of the covid stuff though.

259504 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Klein, #1442 of 1470 🔗

I agree. I haven’t listened to him for ages. No mention of covid in this one though.

259482 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #1443 of 1470 🔗

You may not like it but Trump’s fight is our fight. It’s simply an objective reality as when Stalin’s fightback against invasion, or De Gaulle’s resistance, were objectively in the UK’s interests.

Anyway the good news this weekend is that more and more fine detail is emerging about how the steal was effected using the Dominion-Smartmatics systems. It’s fairly complex stuff but looks like algorithmic ratios were being deployed and then distributed hierarchically through layers of precincts. Also in one state at least it looks like third party votes were being kept to a max of 2.1% and then any surpluses were being distributed to other candidates, the presumption being mostly to Biden.

If you google on Smoking Gun and rumble.com you may be able to access some of the videos.

The evidence is that Trump won by a huge, huge landslide but the election was stolen through a combination of traditional Democrat fraud (dead voters and all that – nothing new there ) , innovative postal vote fraud and Dominion-Smartmatics algorithmic fraud.

I mentioned in an earlier post that a number of people you might expect to reserve judgement until the courts had given their opinion had already declared for Biden. To my amazement among them was Douglas Murray. But I was interested to read in the piece where he declared for Biden that in a side comment he noted that if the courts declared for Trump, the Far Left would burn America to the ground. On that I think he’s right and it would be worse than 68. Is this what’s preventing so many commentators on the non-left side of politics from standing up for truth and justjce: fear of a second American Civil War? Do they think it’s better to have a deep state controlled republic rather than one in a state of civil strife?

259485 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to OKUK, 2, #1444 of 1470 🔗

Thank you OKUK for all your research on this and keeping us updated.

I, like you, have despaired when I see commentators I’ve trusted seeming to go against type. My fingers are crossed that this travesty of an election is shown for what it is, a lot rides on Trump staying in power. It’s a shame more people can’t see what’s going on there and how it’s dictating what happens here and worldwide.

259510 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1445 of 1470 🔗

For me the media-approved election results never passed the smell test. Trump taking Florida but having difficulty in Georgia, Getting huge support in Ohio but not in neighbouring and similar PA. Biden more popular than Obama and Clinton in so many crucial places!

259489 ▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, 2, #1446 of 1470 🔗

I have to admit, I do feel a little “Help me Obi Trump Kenobi, you’re my only hope” sometimes.

There’s risk in the far left head fit prediction – that could turn out to be one of 2020’s most accurate ones. But I think a lot of American’s would prefer seeing a little bit of their country torched over finding out what buildbackbetter.com entails. Thanks for the update.

259503 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, 2, #1447 of 1470 🔗

The Left consistently underestimate Trump. You might have thought he should have been out front with the American people, making his case in person from 4 November instead of playing golf… I would have been tempted to do that. But this guy is a ju jitsu expert. If he’s played it right he’s now got a whole load of his enemies – all the Democrats of course, the MSM (now including smoked-out Fox as well as the whole of the BBC reporting corps), and all the fake RINO Republicans – totally exposed, as stating there has been no fraud and that Biden is the legitimate President.

I think he is fully prepared for a violent reaction if courts find in his favour.

The next seven days are going to be of huge historic importance…this is like a Stalingrad of our times.

259512 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 1, #1448 of 1470 🔗

The Left underestimate Trump because they equate his brusque, salt-of-the Earth manner with a lack of intelligence.

Trump would not have made it this far in life if the Leftist assumption was true.

That said, I am really surprised he’s not holding more rallies.

I agree with him not exiting the vehicle at the Million MAGA March – Antifa could have had dozens of plants in the crowd.

259499 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to OKUK, 1, #1449 of 1470 🔗

Clearly the Democrats do and would likely go down the road of civil strife in order to try and achieve it, indeed it appears they’ve done a few miles already. Unless it can be clearly demonstrated that the election was fair and honest, America is finished. I agree that we’ve been holding hands for too long to not feel the effects here,fear is being weaponised everywhere you look. Douglas might have got this one only half right.

259509 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1450 of 1470 🔗

Maybe so, but in a serious red vs blue conflict, there would only be one winner.

259517 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JohnB, 1, #1451 of 1470 🔗

Invoking the Insurrection Act would provide the legal justification necessary for patriots to renew Columbia’s Republic by watering the Tree of Liberty.

259505 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 1, #1452 of 1470 🔗

The issue goes beyond Trump –

Free and fair elections go to the heart of the American ideal and affect everyone in the country and many around the world.

Everyone who supports the American ideal should want to see this resolved honestly and fairly.

On the flip side, the program offered by the Deep State looks like some form of biotech totalitarianism straight out of a bad sci-fi film.

I don’t love Trump, but I don’t hate him either. There are many things he could have done better.

259508 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 3, #1453 of 1470 🔗

… the Far Left would burn America to the ground.

The far-left would be filled full of holes faster than you can say Rumpelstiltskin.

259514 ▶▶ Doodle, replying to OKUK, 4, #1454 of 1470 🔗

The left can only burn America to the ground if they are unopposed. The moment that the centre/right ordinary citizens declare, ‘that’s enough’ then the left will not hold.

80 million people armed and ready to defend themselves and their family/neighbours are going to put a massive slug into the heads of the juvenile, sub-intelligent, child like ‘warriors’ of antifa and the blm.

I don’t believe that the freedom loving, family centric, righteous people of the USA will allow the ‘children’ of the Gramsci left free reign to obliterate their nation.

Concede this election to the democrats and we can kiss all our freedoms goodbye in perpetuity.

259500 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1455 of 1470 🔗

Here in the US there is quite a high level of non-compliance with the stay home orders on the highways.

The shopping centers I passed through today were also quite busy.

The road manners were unusually good. I believe the ones staying at home in fear tend to be poor drivers.

Sadly, we are still saddled with face nappies to enter most places.

259501 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to awildgoose, #1456 of 1470 🔗

Can you not claim to be Exempt?

259502 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, #1457 of 1470 🔗

Of wearing a mask?

259507 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrea Salford, #1458 of 1470 🔗

Yes. We can in the UK, but some US states maybe not.

259522 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to JohnB, 2, #1459 of 1470 🔗

I never wear one. Most people don’t say anything. It’s just sad how many people voluntarily comply. It’s 100% true that if the mask mandates were lifted, people would forget all about this “pandemic.”

259511 John P, replying to John P, 1, #1460 of 1470 🔗

I’m not a huge fan of Steve Baker, but in response to Herr Johnson’s latest lockdown lunacy he has been making some encouraging noises. From twitter:

“Today, the lockdown cure prescribed runs the very real risk of being worse than the disease.

We are especially concerned about outside sport, the 10pm curfew, closure of non-essential retail, gyms and personal care businesses, restrictions on worship, care home visits, hospitality and the inclusion of children under 12 in the “Rule of 6”.

In these areas, we need to be assured of the evidence of their effectiveness, whether a mandatory approach produces better outcomes than a voluntary one.

Where harms are certain but benefits uncertain – such as closing schools – an intervention should not be used. The burden is on the Government to demonstrate the necessity and proportionality of each restriction.”

Hopefully Baker and the other Tory rebels will have some clout.

259520 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, 2, #1461 of 1470 🔗

Better than nothing but too weak, There is no evidence for the benefits of mask wearing and mask wearing was never mandated in L1. That should be their first target – once masks are removed people won’t even recall there is a supposedly deadly virus around…because in reality there isn’t.

This is the problem with Baker – he’s a bit thick. It kind of worked with in-out Brexit but this is much more subtle stuff. Antis should work their way back. First remove the national lockdown, then the mask mandate, then the tiers. Of course they should keep going beyond that: remove the enabling acts, ensure there is a judicial inquiry and ensure nothing like this can ever happen again. ,

259513 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #1462 of 1470 🔗

Just heard from a friend they’ve got a power cut in Liverpool. Someone mentioned our friendly neighbourhood Bond villain Klaus Schwab was predicting such events quite recently. Paranoia or reasonable observation? You decide.

259515 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 1, #1463 of 1470 🔗

I believe power cuts are another cudgel that will be used on the populace, starting in Marxist-controlled areas.

259516 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #1464 of 1470 🔗

Perils of paranoia – apparently it was the fuse in their house went, not a power cut! Lol Still, if Klaus says it’s gonna happen best we stay on our toes!

259528 ▶▶ Ray, replying to OKUK, #1465 of 1470 🔗


259518 Doodle, replying to Doodle, 4, #1466 of 1470 🔗

As far as I’m aware there is no specification on the actual conformity of a ‘mask’. I have therefore made a mask from the orange nylon covering that you get when buying onions or indeed oranges.

It’s going to be hilarious to watch multiple heads explode when confronted with my home made effort.

Sometimes one has to be coming from the leftfield.

259521 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Doodle, #1467 of 1470 🔗

Why not just go without?

259523 ▶▶▶ Doodle, replying to jb12, 2, #1468 of 1470 🔗

Oh I do, I’ve never worn a ‘proper’ mask ever but it’s worth the reaction on hospital staff/GP staff and anyone else to see their reaction.

If you can’t have fun in the current dystopia then you’re missing the point.

By pointing out the fallacy in their argument you reduce them to gibbering wreaks. I like to take the piss. Ok by you?

259525 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Doodle, 1, #1469 of 1470 🔗

The singer Lana Del Rey was criticised for wearing just such a thing (hers looks a bit more expensive than vegetable netting though).

259524 OKUK, 3, #1470 of 1470 🔗

Just saw the Tucker Carlson row-back, following the previous day’s unwarranted attack on Sidney Powell. He’s like some yellow-bellied Marine crouched at the foot of a hill saying “If one of my compatriots can get up that hill and take out that machine gun nest I’ll be rooting for the guy all the way but there’s no way I’m going to do it myself.

Carlson’s making a poor pathetic clown of himself. All his own doing, no one else’s.


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