2020-11-22

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259529 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #1 of 1618 🔗

Morning everyone – now to read the post

259534 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Judy Watson, 43, #2 of 1618 🔗

Daily Mail: LORD SUMPTION: It’s morally wrong for government control freaks to tell us what to do at Christmas.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8973529/LORD-SUMPTION-morally-wrong-government-control-freaks-tell-Christmas.html

259535 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #3 of 1618 🔗

Yes read that. i totally agree

259566 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Judy Watson, 22, #4 of 1618 🔗

And I, of course.
Not wishing to be snobbish, and I’m no fan of the Times in its current Covviegrovel mode, but isn’t it rather strange that a man of Lord Gumption’s stature should be published in a tabloid rather than our (at least formerly) most prestigious broadsheet?

259572 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 10, #5 of 1618 🔗

The Times has always been the mouthpiece of the government of the day and is no longer a broadsheet, except perhaps on Sunday.

259870 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to karenovirus, 7, #6 of 1618 🔗

There is the government and then there is the deep state whose motives SAGE and Johnson and Hancock are there to promote under the guise of a “pandemic”. The bible for that group is of course the Guardian which is truly astonishing for those of us who come from a leftish world view…

260686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Toby Pierides, 2, #7 of 1618 🔗

As a similar ‘rational left’ individual I’ve long doubted the Graun really believes anything it claims to stand for. They need to sell copy and pay dividends same as the rest. Certainly the opinion content veers between stabs in the dark at what they think their readers want to hear and a not particularly clever parody of a woke Twitter account. Some of it hardly makes the effort to avoid directly jabbing a finger and ‘this is what you should think!’

260832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #8 of 1618 🔗

I have a similarly jaded view of my former daily, the Telegraph, which has been boycotted since March because of its fear fearmongering.

259886 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to karenovirus, 6, #9 of 1618 🔗

All explained in a wonderful “Yes Prime Minister” sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrnmya0xFw

260761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to microdave, 1, #10 of 1618 🔗

Brilliant!

260847 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to microdave, #11 of 1618 🔗

😅On my YouTube feed
Yes Minister ‘How To Run A Hospital’
ie fully staffed but with no patients, how very apposite.

259600 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 23, #12 of 1618 🔗

The Daily Mail ironically has attracted lots of good writers despite its reputation and has been willing to attract both sides of the story. A trait that is missing in our so-called broadsheets.

And karenovirus is right – the Times has always been the mouthpiece of the government of the day. Always has been, always will be.

259747 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 15, #13 of 1618 🔗

No, because it has a wide circulation and if someone of Lord Sumption’s stature writes articles, it might make more of the hitherto gullible think again,or so we hope.

259935 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to wendyk, 11, #14 of 1618 🔗

Apparently it is one of the most widely read, online news sites in the world. And it doesn’t have a paywall so stuff gets out there. Not that I’m a fan of DM but it seems to be one of only a very few MSM outlets that is allowing debate on the whole CV/lockdown issue.

259966 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to HelenaHancart, 10, #15 of 1618 🔗

Exactly, which is the point I hoped to make. I’m no fan either, but as you rightly say, the DM is providing space for the challengers of the Covid psychosis.

260456 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ndovu, replying to annie, 3, #16 of 1618 🔗

It gets a wider readership and there is no paywall on the Mail.

260756 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 2, #17 of 1618 🔗

It’s good because the Times is behind a paywall and the DM is freely available – and infinitely more widely read.
So it’s a less snobby but much more far-reaching platform.

261120 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Cheezilla, #18 of 1618 🔗

i’m pretty sure the daily mail is how i found out about lockdown sceptics maybe through the comments which are really great like here !

259752 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 48, #19 of 1618 🔗

The best quote from Lord Gumption – sums up what I believe

“The risks posed by Covid-19 and the impact of social isolation vary enormously from one person to the next.

The risks posed by the disease vary according to age, health, gender and perhaps ethnicity.

The impact of isolation varies with employment status, income, accommodation, family relations and way of life.

In all of these respects, only we know enough about our own circumstances to judge what is right for us and those around us.

Put simply, we can look after ourselves better than the Government, whose solutions are indiscriminate .”

259975 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #20 of 1618 🔗

Absofeckingloutely

259845 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Tom Blackburn, 20, #21 of 1618 🔗

It’s morally wrong for government control freaks to tell us what to do at all – it’s a nonsense. Tell the truth, tell the risks and let us decide the necessary actions according to our circumstances!

259940 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Sue, 5, #22 of 1618 🔗

Of course, but they’ve got the bit “of power” between their teeth now, and they ain’t letting that go!

260014 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 21, #23 of 1618 🔗

Some of the comments are frightening.One poor soul said they won’t see their family at Christmas and will pop by and see them in December and can only risk a hour in the garden.The government are criminally liable for the fear and brainwashing of the public.

260958 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #24 of 1618 🔗

Agree, but when somebody is as easily brainwashed as that moron, they have a large share in the guilt.

260086 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #25 of 1618 🔗

Slightly tangential to the subject in hand, but has anyone tried rejecting cookies on the DM? It’s very, very difficult and long-winded. And, they circumvent your adblocker.

260426 ▶▶▶▶ Harry Herts, replying to Tenchy, #26 of 1618 🔗

Brave browser helps a lot

260691 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Tenchy, 2, #27 of 1618 🔗

I’m running Firefox with Privacy Possum and UBlock and it seems to clear the cookies when I close the browser – which is frequently.

260873 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 1, #28 of 1618 🔗

I must have succeeded because I don’t get ads in the articles. I think you olnly need to go through the rigmarole once and it saves your preferences, unlike the infamous Reach group that makes you reject them every time.

260366 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #29 of 1618 🔗

LORD SUMPTION SAID:
“Put simply, we can look after ourselves better than the Government, whose solutions are indiscriminate.”
Not just the government, but better than the zealots of Public Health and other Global Health organizations can. If fact, these groups have probably killed more people than they have saved. Death Squads masquerading as dogooders.

260010 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #30 of 1618 🔗

Dear Jduy
These ONS Facts give infinite context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3SX3M5UpE

What’s Going On? 🤦‍♂️ 3 MIND-BLOWING New FACTS MSM, BBC & Piers Won’t Tell You!
5,686 views•22 Nov 2020

Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON

259530 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 128, #31 of 1618 🔗

‘ everywhere from factories and offices to towns and cities will be blitzed with mass testing if cases start to rise, under plans to be set out this week.’

Isn’t that self serving? Given ‘cases’ are just positive ( and mostly false) test results……to ramp up the testing will result in more positive results or ‘cases’ as they like to call it, to perpetuate the fraud.

Isn’t it ludicrous that we are now being continually punished for basically catching a cold (or not in many instances)?

Lord help us.

259590 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Andrea Salford, 47, #32 of 1618 🔗

Indeed, we are being punished for our own biology. It smacks of arrogance, like we can transcend nature and its biological laws and processes.

259603 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, 7, #33 of 1618 🔗

Bozo would know it as hubris.

259880 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, 7, #34 of 1618 🔗

He would – except he doesn’t. I can’t wait for nemesis.

260370 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 5, #35 of 1618 🔗

Boris is Hubris personified.

260819 ▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to richard riewer, 4, #36 of 1618 🔗

We Russians had two rulers named Boris in our history
– both turned out to be disasters
– should have been a warning to my adopted country

260961 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #37 of 1618 🔗

We just have Boris Notgudenov.

261090 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to annie, 1, #38 of 1618 🔗

Bolshoi? Niet.

259922 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Poppy, 22, #39 of 1618 🔗

2020 was the year the common cold and flu was weaponised

261085 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Poppy, #40 of 1618 🔗

It smacks of ignorance

259605 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrea Salford, 40, #41 of 1618 🔗

Catching colds is a natural part of life, its our body’s way of getting rid of bad viruses and bacteria as well as the body’s way of telling us that we need to rest.

The government’s Don Quixote like ways of tackling this virus smacks of arrogance, narcissism and attempts at playing God with people’s health.

259714 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bart Simpson, 28, #42 of 1618 🔗

last time I looked stepsils, lemsip and nurofen were on special offer. I haven’t had even the slightest symptoms of a cold the last six months. I fear that in the future when you do catch a cold/flu it really be serious due to the immune system being unchallenged for such a long time.

259807 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to crimsonpirate, 27, #43 of 1618 🔗

Despite not really doing anything, certainly not anything that you would think of as high risk, ie a crowded pub or gig since the start of this SHIT-SHOW, I think I have had 3 or 4 potential attacks of the sniffles. I have fought them off within hours. I am sure this is the case.
I have good faith in my ‘moon system, Vitamin C+zinc and echinacea and first defence nose spray.
I don’t need no poxy franken vaccine.
Bastards

259854 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to crimsonpirate, 16, #44 of 1618 🔗

likewise i haven’t had any colds etc and more concerned that my immune system is not being challenged with the everyday bugs to stay effective.

260380 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sue, 6, #45 of 1618 🔗

If these people really knew what they were doing this scamdemic would have ended months ago.

260450 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, 11, #46 of 1618 🔗

Not too sure about that. I’m pretty sure that the idea is to piss us all off so much, that we will be clamouring for one of the many Bill Gates’s special depopulating vaccine brews. Eugenicist Bill is obsessed with vaccines as he sees them as the perfect tool for depopulation and massive depopulation at that.

260245 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #47 of 1618 🔗

I haven’t had a cold in 2020, and in line with what you’re saying I don’t know whether that’s a good or bad thing. When I went out this morning I coughed a couple of times which is probably just a reaction to cold air rather than any bacteria or viruses. No sniffles for ages, I rarely need to wash my handkerchiefs!

260517 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #48 of 1618 🔗

Same here. The last time I had a cold was back in November and January but it was more because I had been tired since early last year when I moved house then had a busy summer.

I have been taking immunity defence multi-vitamins and find that they’ve been good.

261098 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #49 of 1618 🔗

Don’t worry. Your immune system is always at work – you just don’t notice. By the time your temp goes up the usual lines of defence have been breached and the system has decided to kill the bug that way. If you wear a fitness band, like Fitbit with a heart function, you can watch your immune system doing its thing on the app graph for resting heart rate. Long before you feel ill the RHR goes up and stays up until the invader is dead. Mine goes up every couple of weeks. It averages 65. When I had pneumonia it was at 81. When I had Covid (I think), it was at 75. Normal bugs never breach 70.

260374 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #50 of 1618 🔗

They’re not tackling the virus they are implementing a Global Action Plan set out by the United Nations and all their co-conspirators. Agenda 21, 2030, ad nauseum. They are all in cahoots. That’s why the lockdowns continue. They say that all diesel, gas-powered vehicles must be banned by 2035 but they really don’t know how they are going to make it happen. A waste of thought and a waste of money. Your money. Our money. Our cities and towns, devastated by the fantasies of low intelligent thinkers.

260462 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, 6, #51 of 1618 🔗

They’ll meet their sustainable development goals through depopulation, which is an essential part of the plan. The main weapon of depopulation will be the unnecessary and toxic vaccines, which they intend foisting upon the unsuspecting masses.

260701 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to richard riewer, 3, #52 of 1618 🔗

Sales of ICE vehicles, not the vehicles themselves. And there’s precious little chance of replacing boats and planes with electric alternatives, not to mention the railways of most countries are still majority diesel, so oil will still be quite a lucrative commodity. I don’t understand the opposition to EVs – electric cars (and ebikes) are bloody quick – the torque is astonishing and is at maximum from all speeds, coupled with (usually) all-wheel drive so the driving experience is hardly going to be less fun. If you miss the soundtrack then easy enough to install engine noise in the audio system. Cars aren’t going away any time soon.

259606 ▶▶ alw, replying to Andrea Salford, 23, #53 of 1618 🔗

The Statistics Guy Jon https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f913.svg
@Jon_statistics
· 10h
So do people understand positive cases as reported by the government…?

Cases are people who have a postive result.

If they are tested in two separate weeks, the government counts them twice!

A positive result does not mean they are ill!

259679 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 21, #54 of 1618 🔗

I asked a test centre Security guard whether they were busy. He avoided the question but said “it’s mostly regulars like care home nurses”.

I said so if someone gets tested for 10 weeks that would count as 10 tests in the government total ?

“Well, technically yes”

No mate, actually yes.

259772 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to karenovirus, 10, #55 of 1618 🔗

If a person is tested 10 times on different days than they should count as separate tests – no problem here

But my main concerns is if the a person is tested positive and then the same person has confirmation positive tests in the following week which are counted as separate cases – rather than a single case as they should be

Somebody reported this as happening and that is concerning

259829 ▶▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Aslangeo, 14, #56 of 1618 🔗

The numbers will be fiddled that’s a given.. the government openly threatens the population on a daily basis its abuse of power but they dont care. I hope the numbers rise even more those ignoring these ridiculous lockdowns. It does not matter how low the deaths or “cases” go they will press on regardless unless stopped.

260505 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to miahoneybee, 4, #57 of 1618 🔗

Yes indeed, our corrupt government is not amenable to reason and common sense and it clearly prefers the bought in fake science, that fits in with their depopulation vaccination plans.

260479 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Aslangeo, 10, #58 of 1618 🔗

The whole testing agenda should be alarming. The test results are totally meaningless and testing is only there is to keep the Covid pot boiling. The aim of which is to push people towards accepting injection with one of Bill Gates’s depopulating vaccines. Whatever vaccine you end up with, eugenicist Bill will be behind it.

259923 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, 24, #59 of 1618 🔗

The PCR tests are the virus

260705 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to alw, 4, #60 of 1618 🔗

Their cronies are profiting from testing, so there’s every incentive to increase it and spread the impression that it’s vital.

259664 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Andrea Salford, 34, #61 of 1618 🔗

a) It is well established now that the spread of this virus is not driven by asymptomatic carriers. This fact has been confirmed WHO amongst others. b) Test and trace systems do not work once a disease is widespread throughout the population, again confirmed by WHO. c) PCR tests should not be used as a diagnostic tool according to the creator of the test amongst others. In addition, we are told that a number of efficient vaccines are just around the corner. Where is the justification for mass testing? This is a serious question because I must missing something that the majority of MP’s are seeing.

260035 ▶▶▶ John Mirra, replying to Van Allen, 11, #62 of 1618 🔗

The justification is simple, it transfers public budget into private businesses. Private businesses we can be certain are connected to certain politicians and other wealthy people, be it directly or indirectly.

This happened all the time even before COVID; governments contracting huge consultancies to do lacklustre work then increasing funding when they do a poor job (sunk cost fallacy). So it should be no surprise it is happening now.

Anyway, an increase in testing will ALWAYS lead to more positive “cases” , it’s a law of statistics/reality that the more you look the more you find. In fact this has happened time and time again throughout history. In the book “ How to lie with Statistics ” there’s even mention of this phenomenon (and that books is now considered quite old):

A year came when encephalitis cases reported in the central valley of California were triple the figure for the worst previous year. Many alarmed residents shipped their children away. But when the reckoning was in, there had been no great increase in deaths from sleeping sickness. What had happened was that state and federal health people had come in in great numbers to tackle a long-time problem; as a result of their efforts a great many low-grade cases were recorded that in other years would have been overlooked, possibly not even recognized.

That’s from near the end of the short book, it’s quite a good read to understand how lies can be told with statistics all the while using the numbers gathered.

260491 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Van Allen, 8, #63 of 1618 🔗

Mass testing is producing false positives at the rate of 97%. The other 3% may carry some viral load but do not mean that a person is either ill or infectious. Governments know all this only too well and are using these flawed testing programs as a way of pushing people towards accepting dangerous and unnecessary vaccines. The real aim of the vaccines is to help achieve the massive reduction of global population, which is the unwritten essential part of UN Agenda 2030.

259830 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Andrea Salford, 21, #64 of 1618 🔗

We are being punished for our compliance. The regime did not believe compliance would be so complete. They know they have messed up very badly and Johnson is basically just taking the piss now. This will go on for as long as people take it, and the more they comply the worse it will get.

259867 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ovis, 37, #65 of 1618 🔗

Yet the irony is so many naive zealots believe if they cravenly follow the rules the govt will forgive them and lessen the restrictions. At the same time they admonish us for being ‘rule breakers’ who are to blame for the restrictions. It reminds me of cowed people in abusive relationships who think if they are nice to their partner they will not be bullied and battered.

259980 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Borisbullshit, 10, #66 of 1618 🔗

This is very insightful and IMO spot on.

260244 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Ovis, 24, #67 of 1618 🔗

I shut my business first time around and was a good little boy this time I’ve remained open and to my surprise I’ve had customers I see my 81 year old Mum every day, I will dance a jig when these bastards are executed or lynched.

260964 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #68 of 1618 🔗

Good for you, on both counts.

259920 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Andrea Salford, 11, #69 of 1618 🔗

Do the factories that are producing and selling these PCR tests realise just how much they’re complicit in the destruction of the economy and civil liberties?

They are creating destruction

260126 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ben, 11, #70 of 1618 🔗

As are the people who keep being tested when they are not ill. Is it just people who want 2 weeks off work fully paid?

260911 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #71 of 1618 🔗

For many it is compulsory, care home workers for instance.

260382 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 5, #72 of 1618 🔗

And making money while doing it.

260949 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 1, #73 of 1618 🔗

Kerrrrchinggg!

260104 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #74 of 1618 🔗

I shall lock me in for those testing blitzes.
At least as long as thetests aren’t standardized down to a meaningful CT number and have become less invasive.
For these past, current and likely upcoming testing results, one might as well roll a dice.

260432 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Andrea Salford, 7, #75 of 1618 🔗

Testing, refuse it.

259532 Judy Watson, 36, #76 of 1618 🔗

OK now read the post including the demos’ throughout the country. Widely reported in the Daily Mail but only a short comment on Liverpool from the biased beeb. Deplorable -not the demos the poor reporting from the beeb.

259536 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 23, #77 of 1618 🔗

FFS…Dr. Mengele Fauci and WHO reps have publicly stated that asymptomatic spread is a myth on several occasions.

259694 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to awildgoose, 13, #78 of 1618 🔗

The government aren’t listening, at least not to the sensible knowledgeable experts. They are determined on one goal from which they refuse to deviate. The destruction of our lifestyles and in many cases lives, Covid as I was once told is short for Certificate Of Vaccination ID.

259537 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 20, #79 of 1618 🔗

“England’s national lockdown will end on Dec 2nd but will be replaced by a harsher three-tier system”

Frankly I will barely notice. Lockdown 2. just stopped me eating out for breakfast and if the new Tieraucracy is inconvenient it will be ignored.

Theme tune for bozo and dreary Matt

Tiers Of A Clown.
The Stranglers (grown up edition).

259558 ▶▶ Albie, replying to karenovirus, 18, #80 of 1618 🔗

Wet pubs in Tier 3 should just open up on 3rd Dec and try to salvage something of the year. Carrots are cheap, just put a bowl of chopped up carrots on every table and have a carrot-only menu ready in case any snoops visit. Wet pubs in my Tier 3 area should’ve opened up last time. Honestly, nobody would’ve batted an eyelid as it would’ve just been assumed by a passerby that they sold food.

259568 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Albie, 7, #81 of 1618 🔗

Or you could have a Rats Only menu, borrowed from the Monty Python team. With bowls of ratnuts on every table.

259718 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to annie, 6, #82 of 1618 🔗

I’ll go further- a spam only menu

260965 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #83 of 1618 🔗

Usque ad nausespam.

259592 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Albie, 7, #84 of 1618 🔗

Swish a bit of brown sauce artistically on the plate a la master chef with a single carrot and a pea and claim it is fine dining rather than snacks. (I do love a bit of fine but it’s mores can be used to our advantage).

260047 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 4, #85 of 1618 🔗

Tiers of a clown. I like it.

259538 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 18, #86 of 1618 🔗

So why were the Bournemouth lockdown protestors not kettled and pepper-sprayed, as happened elewhere in the country?

Does MULE* have a discriminatory, class-based policy and how long will it be before this melds into systemic covidism?

*MULE: Masked & Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement, prev. the Constabulary.

259545 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Stuart, 23, #87 of 1618 🔗

I do not understand how people are being arrested at all , the lock down regs are mostly made under the Public Health Act which confers no powers of arrest. This Act is set up as to summons people who offend, e.g. have Rats in a Hotel Kitchen. If you give your name and address so that a summons can be issued then as far as I can see there are no grounds to arrest people under the Public Health Act.
Does anyone here know some more about the law and can explain what is going on?

259550 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #88 of 1618 🔗

They turn it into Affray or Assault on an Emergency Worker.

259640 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to karenovirus, 9, #89 of 1618 🔗

Repeatedly trying to bite the police officers fists seemed to be theme in Liverpool

259648 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to 6097 Smith W, 19, #90 of 1618 🔗

similar to the continual head butting of police truncheons that seems widespread

259682 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #91 of 1618 🔗

Daily Mail report
‘Officer pushed to the chest’ ?

259826 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 1, #92 of 1618 🔗

Isn’t that called self defence in normal times?
And isn’t it an instinctive reaction, rather than a deliberate calculated act?

259821 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 10, #93 of 1618 🔗

Assault on an Emergency Worker is a BRAND NEW OFFENCE.
Designed specially for the new authority loving fascist psy-op UK.
It goes hand in hand with priority worker hero worshipping, workers “on the front line “risking their lives” in this “unprecedented” “pandemic” and thanking people in the military for their service at every opportunity.

This new offence carries very very heavy penalties like a terrorism charge.

260682 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, 2, #94 of 1618 🔗

Johnson’s a dictator and must be deposed.

259551 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stuart, #95 of 1618 🔗

Report on R2 6am news of agitation in Cardiff last night with 6 people in hospital, some with stab wounds.
Nothing said about the cause other than random violence.
Anyone know different?

259574 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Stuart, 8, #96 of 1618 🔗

The hidden but real class warfare in Britain? You are probably less likely to “accidentally” fall down the stairs in a cop shop in a place like Bournemouth than in say Liverpool or Manchester or inner-city London.

259984 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Stuart, 1, #97 of 1618 🔗

MULE: brilliant.

259539 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 36, #98 of 1618 🔗

No mention on this website, however, it is now enshrined in law in Scotland that travel between different tiers is illegal. Yes ILLEGAL!
Funny how they can just pass laws on a whim? Will people wake up or adapt? I fear the latter.

259541 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 16, #99 of 1618 🔗

Needs to be tested in Court.
Internal travel bans were inherited by the Soviet Union from the Tzarist Regime.

259544 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to karenovirus, 14, #100 of 1618 🔗

Scotland, rather the SNP, are trying their hardest to become as communist as possible by the back door.
Well as it is in law now, testing it in court will only result in the fine being paid. I haven’t been fined, if I ever do I will challenge it in court.

259543 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TheBigman, 31, #101 of 1618 🔗

This is in direct contravention of human rights;
Article 13. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

If governments make laws that go against the Declaration of human rights it should be obligatory for them to clarify that is what they are doing. After 9 months of this nonsense and with current figures so normal it is not an emergency and therefore if Governments pass such laws they should also move to formally rescind the Human Rights Act.

259546 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #102 of 1618 🔗

That may be right, however, as we have seen lately – that doesn’t matter to a totalitarian state.

As to which law would be violated I am unsure. This is the official site of the announcement. Bizarre that foreign travel is still allowed but not travel out of the high tiers.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-travel-and-transport/#travelbetween

259547 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #103 of 1618 🔗

That’s not from the Human Rights Act, Steve. The Article 13 you quote is from the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This is criminal proceedings in The Hague stuff.

259548 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #104 of 1618 🔗

I thought the UN Declaration of Human Rights was enshrined in the UK Human Rights Act?

259567 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #105 of 1618 🔗

Long before that. We’ve been a signatory to that piece of international law since 1947. Human Rights Act is an imposter dating from 1998.

259705 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #106 of 1618 🔗

So why aren’t we holding ours to accou t?

259697 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #107 of 1618 🔗

Their argument is that the Right to Life supersedes all the other rights. That is the question that needs a strong legal challenge from someone like Lord Sumption.

260081 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #108 of 1618 🔗

It’s also against the rules of the common travel area. Which has been clarified by the UK and Sturgeons’s beloved EU regarding brexit just before the pandemic. She has no leg to stand on

259557 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to TheBigman, 9, #109 of 1618 🔗

I’ve put this to the test. While the roads are quieter than normal, there is absolutely nothing to suggest this new law is being policed/enforced. Sturgeon stand at her little pulpit every day and says stuff, and most people in Scotland take her at her word and do as they’re told. Therefore, there zero need for the police to attempt to enforce anything she says is law.

259585 ▶▶ NemziP, replying to TheBigman, 19, #110 of 1618 🔗

Yes, this means my mum, who lives in a very remote area, can’t go 10 mins down the road to the nearest town to shop because they are in a different tier, but instead has to travel over half an hour to a town in her tier to get her groceries. And the town 10 mins away from her is an hours drive from the part of the area that moved it up a tier. But that definitely makes sense!?!

259625 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to TheBigman, 7, #111 of 1618 🔗

They’re full of shit. The polis here have stated they won’t be stopping anyone.

I must state here, Police Scotland have handled a very difficult situation magnificently. Havent heard any stories of police harassment where I am.

259781 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to John Smith, 4, #112 of 1618 🔗

The police have had a pretty raw deal under the SNP so I would imagine that most of them aren’t fans of the dear leader and are somewhat disinclined to enforce this nonsense.

259756 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to TheBigman, 3, #113 of 1618 🔗

We crossed the county line twice yesterday; no problems, no sign of the polis and plenty of other cars doing the same. It would require a vast number of roadblocks to even begin to attempt to enforce thus ludicrous “law”. I do feel sorry for the people of Clackmannan who can travel from Alloa to Tullibody and that’s about it!

259540 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #114 of 1618 🔗

Tale of the vaccinated

” I proceeded on down the hall getting all kind of injections inspections detections neglections and all kinds of groovy stuff that they were doin’ to me at the thing there.

And I was there for 2 hours, 3 hours, 4 hours I was there for a long time going through all kind of mean nasty ugly things and I was just having a tough time there and they were inspecting, injecting every single part of me and they didn’t leave no part untouched”

(Arlo Guthrie. Alice’s Restaurant Massacree)

259894 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, 1, #115 of 1618 🔗

An old favourite.

259542 RyanM, 18, #116 of 1618 🔗

The CDC is a national disgrace and should be disbanded completely. I’d also try the various heads for crimes against humanity… But maybe that’s just my anger speaking.

259549 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 9, #117 of 1618 🔗

Want to protest?
Everyone just go out and be in large separate crowds.
Also, don’t pay your council tax. At least keep the money aside but pay it in dribs and drabs. Perhaps when the bloated public sector feels the pinch things will change.

259559 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TheBigman, 9, #118 of 1618 🔗

Council tax boycott, yes, why fund our own imprisonment?

259565 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheBigman, 12, #119 of 1618 🔗

Council Tax protests are best done as a large group and the tax is paid to a solicitor, who will hold it on behalf of the council. You are technically within the Law, because you have paid your Council Tax.

259708 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #120 of 1618 🔗

Unless the solicitor then runs off with the money! Years ago when we were buying our first house our solicitor ran off with our deposit as well as many others. When the law caught up with him the first people to be repaid were the Banks, people like us lost our money and were never reimbursed.

260692 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #121 of 1618 🔗

What you say sounds a lot like something Mark Windows would suggest. You should run this strategy to the limits.

259614 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBigman, 10, #122 of 1618 🔗

Yep. Apart from refusing to pay the council tax, boycott the census next year. If the government knows best then why the feck do they need loads of stupid questions about your religion, what sort of house you live, what gender you are, etc?

It’s madness.

259552 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 45, #123 of 1618 🔗

Just holding my nose and looking at Matt Hancocks twitter feed and he is now clearly vaccine obsessed, nothing else matters just vaccination, whatever argument you put up at the moment the lockdown enthusiasts just put their fingers in their ears and go ‘vaccination, vaccination vaccination’.
My wife was saying how people she knows are simply terrified of Covid, they just listen to the lurid figures of 200, 300 deaths and go into a blue funk and plead for more lockdowns before they all die. No attempt to look into the figures put them into context or look at the overall picture. This seems to be the sort of reaction that is driving our politicians actions, these people in dire panic are their voters and they cannot afford to upset them.
They see Matt Hancock as some sort of latter day Moses coming down the mountain to save us all with his magic vaccine.
Bob Dylan once sang ‘i can’t think for you, you’ve got to decide’ but too many of our fellow citizens are not thinking just panicking.

259554 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #124 of 1618 🔗

It might be useful to focus some attention towards the supposed upcoming cabinet reshuffle. MH needs to be moved from this post for all of the reasons you state (and more).

259582 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #125 of 1618 🔗

No one’s asking what cases are. If only they did

259629 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #126 of 1618 🔗

The sad thing is it’s the vaccine that they should be terrified of not Covid. Don’t be suprised if there are increased cases in Sepsis (which is a real killer) during the next Coronavirus season (cold season) according to one Scientist. Of course it will be denied as being linked to the vaccine.

259754 ▶▶ Chloe, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #127 of 1618 🔗

I have a few friends like this. Start every conversation with the daily death toll. But as soon as you start to question the figures, i.e. but did they die of or with COVID? They stare at me blankly and change topic. Not only are they ignorant, but they are WILFULLY ignorant. I can’t understand it.

259875 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Chloe, 9, #128 of 1618 🔗

They are happy in their oppression and fear. I suppose they have to be left to revel in it. I used to feel sorry for them but now they disgust me. They are the ones allowing this tyranny to continue indefinitely.

259998 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Chloe, 2, #129 of 1618 🔗

It can be very frustrating. I often experience/enact a few knee jerk responses:

  1. “I thought you had a brain, how can you fall for this crap?”
  2. “but what about?” (analysis and links to sources of facts follow)?
  3. smile, then find a way to move onto another topic
  4. block ‘em.
260022 ▶▶▶ Rick, replying to Chloe, 12, #130 of 1618 🔗

I call these people past friends. They are now complicit in my sentencing without trial. They are collaborators who I hold in contempt. I will never forgive them.

260129 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Rick, 1, #131 of 1618 🔗

Nice one Rick and spot on.

259900 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #132 of 1618 🔗

“Think for yourself “ the Beatles (George Harrison) off the album Rubber Soul.

259553 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 52, #133 of 1618 🔗

“Boris can expect stiff resistance from the Conservative back benches”

I’ll believe it when I see it!

259589 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to mattghg, 11, #134 of 1618 🔗

Yep. Stiff as in wet lettuce leaf.

I don’t think we can expect any help from politicians at all.

259877 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to PaulH, 3, #135 of 1618 🔗

I think that applies to every other political issue too!

259555 Cecil B, 19, #136 of 1618 🔗

Did I miss something? When were SAGE granted powers to imprison people?

Even in the dark days of Soviet Russia people were granted the courtesy of an individual show trial

259556 NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #137 of 1618 🔗

The CRG will “veto” the plans? I wish that were true. They will vote against them and lose the worse than pointless vote.

259561 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 14, #138 of 1618 🔗

I know we think we have certain rights enshrined in law here in the UK, rights informed by the UN Declaration of Human rights.

However, the UK version of these rights has some nice little caveats in them. For example:

– Right to respect for private and family life

There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right ***except *** such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
_________________

Notice the word “except”. That tells you everything. You can have a family and private life. The state won’t interfere with this. EXCEPT…if your private or family life isn’t in accordance with the law and they’ll butt into your right to have a family and private life if its in the interests of “public safety” or to protect “health”.

259613 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Mark H, 5, #139 of 1618 🔗

No one has “rights”. What we do have is privledges which can be abused at the whim of any sitting government.

259626 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Smith, 8, #140 of 1618 🔗

We have common law rights that are being abused by this disreputable government.

260703 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #141 of 1618 🔗

Listen to what Mark Windows has to say about Common Law Rights. They are not as inviolable as you might think.

260927 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, #142 of 1618 🔗

They are not inviolable at all but they remain mine and not the governments.

259623 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 2, #143 of 1618 🔗

Public Safety, Committee of, French Revolution.

259649 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Mark H, 6, #144 of 1618 🔗

It’s the phrase “well-being of the country” that’s the problem one; it can correspond to vague things like “the economy” or “national stability” or “to maintain British Values” as defined ad-hoc by the government, euphemisms in the Chinese style.

259562 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #145 of 1618 🔗

If nothing else, this lunacy will have shown many what an alternative system of government feels like.

And many will also have noticed how popular totalitarianism has been in this country over the last few months.

It is also surprisingly popular elsewhere:

Three out of four Russians think the Soviet era was the best time in their country’s history.’

‘“The Soviet era may not be seen as a time of high living standards, but as a time of justice. Today’s state capitalism is viewed as unfair: the injustice is in distribution, access to goods and infrastructure. And this feeling is growing stronger,”

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/24/75-of-russians-say-soviet-era-was-greatest-time-in-countrys-history-poll-a69735

No-one can believe any longer that it couldn’t happen here. It already has, with the consent, even approval, of a majority.

A return to freedom will now feel really good, if and when it comes…..and those vindictive votes for the monster raving loony party will feel even better…and completely rational.

259564 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #146 of 1618 🔗

The ancient world had a system for people who thought like that. It was called slavery.

259569 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #147 of 1618 🔗

And the post Soviet Russian state is trying, clearly successfully, to erase memories of their own system of ‘forced labour’, aided by the chaos of the ‘pandemic’. Hmmm……

In the midst of this, the state-funded Russian Military History Society was allowed to send army soldiers to excavate the mass graves of Sandormokh and exhume some bodies. This sought to prove that the dead were not Gulag victims, but Red Army soldiers murdered by the Finnish army – a theory deemed historically inaccurate by dozens of researchers.’

Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, a memory war has been raging in Russia. NGOs, researchers and activists keep working indefatigably to preserve an independent memory of the Gulag. Meanwhile, the state wants to control it. In the middle of the coronavirus pandemic, plaques memorialising the victims of the Katyn massacre of Polish prisoners of war in 1940 have been removed from Tver.’

https://theconversation.com/russia-and-the-gulag-putin-is-fighting-for-state-control-over-how-soviet-horrors-are-remembered-142438

259583 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #148 of 1618 🔗

That last item is probably part of a monuments war with Poland. The Polish authorities have removed statues and monuments to Soviet soldiers killed driving the Germans from Poland in 1944-5, and this has provoked outrage in Russia.

259634 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Waldorf, 3, #149 of 1618 🔗

The Red Army liberated Auschwitz

259641 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, -1, #150 of 1618 🔗

The Soviets repurposed nazi concentration camps to their own uses, including incarceration of liberated Russian soldiers who were considered traitors for surrendering in the first place (and their families back home including Stalins own daughter in law).

259636 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #151 of 1618 🔗

Finns murdering Russian prisoners ? Might have occurred in desperation after the Soviet Union invaded them with 10 times more soldiers than landed in Normandy.
Finland, population the same as Belgium, while losing territory morally won the Winter War.

259594 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #152 of 1618 🔗

It’s true. My Latvian friend says that here family back home are loving the lockdown as it reminds them of the Soviet years. Ironically, she came here to be free.

259835 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Fiona Walker, 6, #153 of 1618 🔗

Is it because they feel ‘safe’? That someone else is ‘looking after’ them? I have heard this before. I don’t understand why you would want someone else in control of your life, but I suppose if it is all you have known, being in control of your own life might be scarier. If I can’t control my own life, I would rather not live it.

259885 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to CGL, #154 of 1618 🔗

Spot on.

260970 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, #155 of 1618 🔗

I’m told that if you liberate a hen from its cage in some hellish hen battery, it will do its best to get back in.
And hens are mental giants compared to zombies.

259884 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #156 of 1618 🔗

God preserve us….why did they leave then? I have always had a suspicion that most people do not really value freedom…..after all why do millions stay in what are clearly awful relationships. Now I know for sure that people dont value it.

260239 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Borisbullshit, 4, #157 of 1618 🔗

It is hard to work up the courage to step into the unknown. I’ve done it several times (yes, fool me, for being in abusive relationships), but it is hard to have the courage to do it. The last time was the easiest, but it was also definitely the last.

Then I found myself in an abusive relationship with the government…

260938 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ConstantBees, #158 of 1618 🔗

‘In an abusive relationship with the government’
Thank you, that sums it up nicely.

259563 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #159 of 1618 🔗

The Covid merry go round: “We’re here because we’re here because we’re here because we’re here, ad infinitum”

259643 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #160 of 1618 🔗

“if you know a better ‘ole you go to it”

259570 annie, replying to annie, 7, #161 of 1618 🔗

Off topic, but DM headlines often brighten my morning, like this one:

Has Moscow been secretly microwaving our spies for years?

If in doubt, fry your spy.

Actually I suspect it isn’t our spies they’ve been microwaving, but the brains of our politicians and SAGES. That would explain a lot.

259571 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, #162 of 1618 🔗
259573 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 21, #163 of 1618 🔗

From the DT regarding the proposal for twice weekly testing and freedom passes. These people are power mad, control freaks, with a bit of evil thrown in for good measure. This is what happens when weak-minded people kowtow to draconian rules with claims of ‘it’s just a mask’.
The language is quite sinister in its abuse of lexical content. ‘Offering’, real meaning compelling, ‘incentive’, meaning coercion. The passes will allow us to wander down the street, how nice of them, and show our pass if anyone challenges us for not wearing a mask – didnt know you had to wear a mask in the street. Overall, you will be under house arrest unless you accept our offer of regular testing. This is getting beyond madness.

The excerpt:

The source said: “They will allow someone to wander down the streets, and if someone else asks why they are not wearing a mask, they can show the card, letter or an App.”

The source added that the passes would allow people “to see their family, and normal social distancing rules will not apply”.

The plan has already received the backing of Jeremy Hunt, the former Health Secretary, who last week said he supported “offering people who comply with testing and isolation requirements a ‘freedom pass’ that removes the requirement to follow lockdown regulations”.

Mr Hunt also urged Boris Johnson to set an Easter deadline to return to a more normal life through mass testing with rapid home testing kits, even if vaccines have not come through by then.

Mr Hunt has been urging the Government to go further and give people an incentive to be tested by allowing them “to go out, shop and go to work” if they test negative.

259578 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nsklent, 64, #164 of 1618 🔗

I’m a good person. Law abiding. Honest. But the Government has convicted me without trial. Life has been made unlivable and emotionally painful to endure

It goes beyond tears now

There is no meaningful opposition from unions or anyone with clout who cares about human rights

It is not hyperbole to say these laws are crimes against humanity

259581 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Ben, 21, #165 of 1618 🔗

I quite agree regarding crimes against humanity and lack of opposition. I wish we could get crowds the size of those in Berlin to protest.

259739 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Ben, 14, #166 of 1618 🔗

I feel just the same, Jamie. I can’t understand why so many people find this an acceptable way of life.

259808 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 12, #167 of 1618 🔗

Listen to Prof Dolores Cahill on the Richie Allen Show this week. So uplifting. Her Gloabl Alliance is intent on creating new institutions at tbe global level to replace the WHO, or at least shadow them, and be a permanent critical voice against these people. All the while pursuing leaders for malfeasance and jail time.

260030 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #168 of 1618 🔗

I have little hope in the Global Alliance, acu2020.org and Reiner Fuellmich and the court system. The perpetrators of the scamdemic know it’s not about a virus – they know that we know. The science is a distraction and using it to appeal to governments to do the right thing is appealing to a sense of decency in our political class that is simply not there – it’s wishful thinking.

The Corona Scandal is a global, orchestrated class war on behalf the banks, Pharma, Gates, the WEF and god knows who else. The world’s billionaires are planning to enslave and profit off us. I do not think the scientists can save us unfortunately. I don’t know what the answer is to a global coup

259965 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ben, 8, #169 of 1618 🔗

A team of German lawyers are bringing charges of crimes against humanity to the WHO. And coincidentally Nabbaro of the WHO comes out against lockdowns.

259598 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Nsklent, 20, #170 of 1618 🔗

None of that will happen.

These fuckers are finished. Only a matter of time.

259610 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to John Smith, 8, #171 of 1618 🔗

They will be laughed out of court if they attempt to bring in such a measure.

259727 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John Smith, 4, #172 of 1618 🔗

I want them buried.

259841 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to John Smith, 3, #173 of 1618 🔗

I so hope that you, and all who think this, are right.

259599 ▶▶ alw, replying to Nsklent, 13, #174 of 1618 🔗

I see a black market for forgeries, after all this scandemic has given rise to so many frauds and scams.

259672 ▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to alw, 15, #175 of 1618 🔗

Does anyone doubt that any kind of ‘health passport’ or ‘proof of vaccine’ controls won’t be run with the same level of utter incompetence that the government and the public sector that do their bidding have displayed not just during this but certainly in my lifetime.

The governments and their lackeys are not fit for purpose and these kinds of restrictions will be the same laughable shit-show as everything else they do and so will be ripe for abuse.

Bring on the fake documents, the forgeries and the open displays of non-compliance.

it will be enforced with the same ineptitude that everything else is.

259842 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 6, #176 of 1618 🔗

I think this has to be our hope doesn’t it – that they are so shit at everything they do, that we just adapt and use their systems against them. Just a bloody faff when it’s all so unnecessary and if 67m of us got angry we could chase them off the planet – isn’t there a Mars mission we could put them on?

260976 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, #177 of 1618 🔗

Why stop at Mars?What about one if those space probes that leaves the Solar System and just keeps going?

… but imagine some distant alien discovering a shipful of Wancocks and Witlesses and thinking they were a representative sample of humanity…

259909 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to alw, 6, #178 of 1618 🔗

I see a black market for forgeries

My thoughts as well.

259647 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, 7, #179 of 1618 🔗

Just ignore it and do as you please.
no man* shall be fined, imprisoned or have his lands or property forfeit except by the judgement of his peers**

* inc women
** people of theys social standing.

259710 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Nsklent, 14, #180 of 1618 🔗

I can’t put into words how angry this makes me – my freedom belongs to me, it is not something the government can choose to give me or not give me. This would be the line in the sand where my direct action would become very direct.

259802 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nsklent, 10, #181 of 1618 🔗

The term FREEDOM PASS is peak insanity. If we get to the point that those who are fee have a pass and those who are not free are masked, we are dead.

How do people just casually accept such language. Very scary to me.

259849 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nsklent, 7, #182 of 1618 🔗

This is evil. I think they are doing what they do best, trolling us. They crank out some authoritarian shit like this and see what happens. It’s hard-line covid bullshit for the covid crazy masses. How can they possible manage to do this using the current tests available. It’s such a mental proposal that it just cannot work. They might give it a go in schools where they can force people to do it and some companies like Amazon will take up the baton and run with it but everybody else.

Humm, many will but then again only 10 million downloaded the stupid track n track app and even fewer used it or kept it on their phones. Look where this facet of covid bullshit has gone, down the pan as far as I can see. Useless.

Mass tyesting will hopefully go the same way, its theater, another scenery change in the global covid cult screen play.

259906 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nsklent, 8, #183 of 1618 🔗

In other words, Hunt is as big an idiot as the PM.

260227 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nsklent, 6, #184 of 1618 🔗

“The pass allows people to see their family and social distancing does not apply”
Why family? I do not have a family! There are lots of people out there who for some reason do not have contact with their family, do not have family or live far away from family. Just because we share some DNA, does not mean I value their companionship more than that of my friends.
The emphasis on family makes me mad every year around xmas.
I am happy for people who like their relatives, but there are plenty of us who do not, so please do not make it even more difficult by drumming the family = happy beat.

259575 Ben, replying to Ben, 19, #185 of 1618 🔗

A wave of depression swept over me after reading this:

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1330287230473166849?s=20

The depression is compounded by jokes in the comment section and niggling doubts about anti-lockdown commentators on social media

People like Emma Kenny have given me hope, but she retweets James Melville who’s been anti-lockdown for months but who’s suddenly started promoting the vaccine. Then Simon Dolan who defended Priti Patel. I wonder about ex Big Pharma boss Mike Yeadon. Is he a trust figure, and should a new flu or virus come along he’ll endorse lockdowns and vaccines?

The feeling of loss of hope for the future is soul destroying. No freedom, no ability to live life, is worsened by doubts about allies revealing themselves as traitors

Does the Government want to create an epidemic of depression, anxiety and suicide? If the Government is going to push people to suicide, it might as well offer assisted suicide

259579 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Ben, 9, #186 of 1618 🔗

Its funny you say that about Yeadon, as when I was listening to his latest video, I can’t remember his exact words, but his brief reference to the potentisl vaccine was very positive. I remember thinking this seemed strange.

259588 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Nsklent, 11, #187 of 1618 🔗

I noticed that as well. But I am kind of in his camp. It’s very encouraging that a vaccine might work, in my view.

By no means does everybody need a vaccine. And if the government were acting rationally then they would not be suggesting it, and their normal parsimonious behaviour would limit it to at risk people.But if a vaccine is shown to be safe and effective in the 75+ age group (or whatever), why wouldn’t you offer it? It’s not cost effective in the broader population and personally I would want to be VERY sure there were no risk of ADE, which seems to be a potential concern for this group of viruses.

And then specifically to the Oxford vaccine, there are signals of transverse myelitis so I would be especially wary there.

259607 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Sophie123, 27, #188 of 1618 🔗

I am with you Sophie123, I am not anti vaccine, per se, but I know, to my daughter’s considerable cost, the dangers of vaccination and the, consequent, necessity that any vaccine should undergo years of testing to ensure it is safe.

My biggest issue with this vaccine is that it simply isn’t needed; the reason cases have been dropping in much of the country, since before the tiering came in, leave alone the lockdowns, is because effective community immunity, under current social distancing and seasonal conditions, has been achieved in most of the country.

A vaccine makes some sense for those without a robust immune system, but for healthy people, it makes a lot more sense to get the bug, get over the bug and get on with your lives.

259746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Will, 14, #189 of 1618 🔗

That’s far too rational. We have never had a flu jab, never, yet we have received two letters from our GP asking us to phone for an appointment at the same time asking us to save the NHS money by going digital. I expect our GP get a bonus for every vaccination.

259768 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #190 of 1618 🔗

Bella, do you think your GP does it for the love of healthcare? They are paid for everything, or they do nothing. They’ve been paid a fee to look after you for the last year, despite closing their doors to you.

259911 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #191 of 1618 🔗

We have decided that it wasn’t worth my wife, my son and I having the dead flu jab this year but thought it was sensible for our daughter to have it as she was undergoing chemotherapy and blood cell therapy. Also, such is her vulnerability to a live vaccine, that she would have had to miss two weeks of school, after all the other kids had had their snort unless she had had her dead flu jab. But the point is it is all down to personal choice facilitated by full access to ALL the information, not just the propaganda the liars at PHE feed us.

260947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, #192 of 1618 🔗

£10.00 per flu jab, £12.50 for vaccine × 2 = £25.00 a head.

259608 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sophie123, 13, #193 of 1618 🔗

What are these vaccines for? Nothing to do with the virus that is already under control.

259631 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Sophie123, 7, #194 of 1618 🔗

Do you think this is about health?

259750 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 7, #195 of 1618 🔗

No way is it to do with health.

259655 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Sophie123, 12, #196 of 1618 🔗

You mention a vaccine that might work. I guess I would have concerns over something that has taken a such a short time to develop compared to the usual years of tests and trials that is the norm. Fair enough, possibly, if this virus was set to kill 30% of the population, it might be a fair trade off, but with 99.6% of the population not being severely compromised by the virus, I don’t feel mass vaccination is required – I personally will stick with my immune system. The other concern is the type of vaccine, ie using RNA, which is a novel method – long term implications unknown.

260715 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sophie123, 1, #197 of 1618 🔗

Once you YES to one of their demands you have given them the incentive to continue making even more demands.

259914 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ben, 2, #198 of 1618 🔗

I think they should try it themselves first.

260089 ▶▶ Brian D, replying to Ben, 3, #199 of 1618 🔗

It’s not a bad thing to be discerning of everyone we follow either voluntarily or through no choice and often they will have differing views to us in some areas. Having trust in them arguably makes it more important to be discerning of the information they give us and this is healthy for our own critical thinking.

I know the Irreverend podcast has been advertised on this site and having started to listen to it I would recommend it because their heart behind what they say on various matters comes across very clearly and their heart is for God and for loving people which contrasts considerably with the state and msm rejection of God and true empathy.

260102 ▶▶ Brian D, replying to Ben, 5, #200 of 1618 🔗

My other take on this is that I believe there is divergence of motive/fear where some pro-lockdowners are fearful of a vaccine and see lockdown as the lesser of the two evils. This unfortunately means they reject sceptical views as being dangerous to them – in their view our lack of co-operation is leading to them having to be vaccinated.

On the other hand some are so trusting of the overarching reach and power of the pharmaceuticals and political/legal authority that they’re prepared to believe a rushed vaccine can be stamped as safe and effective as surely ‘they’ wouldn’t lie to us.

259576 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 26, #201 of 1618 🔗

I need to swim regularly to manage my arthritis. Will the leisure centres open up now I wonder? It’s so cruel for many people and children who love and need swimming.

The stiffness and pain is getting me down. It’s not just about me. I need to stay mobile as I care for my disabled grandson who cannot stand independently or walk.

259619 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Marialta, 8, #202 of 1618 🔗

The closing of swimming pools was crazy, many smaller pools never managed to re-open after the first lock-down and may well never re-open now.

259644 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Marialta, 13, #203 of 1618 🔗

Its bonkers that swimming pools together with gyms and other sports facilities have been shut.

Do they want people to stay healthy or not?

Just like with many other things, this doesn’t make sense.

259653 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #204 of 1618 🔗

It’s not intended to make sense. See earlier postings about harsh implementation of pointless rules being in the totalitarian handbook.

260726 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #205 of 1618 🔗

I was in the U.S. Army. Our Sergeants and Officers were always coming up with nasty surprises to keep us on our toes. One day we came back from training and the bathroom was covered with toilet paper, shaving cream and all kinds of crap. There was a message written on one of the mirrors that said ‘this place is a pig sty’.

259755 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #206 of 1618 🔗

No but as has already been said, this is nothing to do with our health.

259793 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #207 of 1618 🔗

For the sake of argument, say you had an agenda to reduce the headcount of society, in particular the elderly and the ill, how would you go about it whilst making it look like you aren’t?

A “deadly” virus appears and you order social behaviours that will, if complied with, reduce the health of the population – something you cover up by means of fake studies and a compliant MSM. This health reduction will achieve your aims of reducing the lifespan of the elderly and the ill whilst allowing you to claim that the social changes you have ordered are there solely to protect that category of people.

The social changes that you have ordered will also bring about an economic collapse – something that the 1% of society will know about in advance, allowing them to position cash in Switzerland/Cayman Islands etc such that when the bottom is reached, they can swoop in and buy the assets of failed businesses at rock bottom prices, allowing them a headstart for the next economic cycle.

The future reduction in headcount coming from making your population ill will reduce future social costs and benefit the 1% of the future (the present 1%’s children/grandchildren).

In addition, the effects of an economic collapse globally (by co-ordination of 1st world government actions) will be felt very badly in the third world, where population growth tends to be higher. This will indirectly lead to a reduction in population there, buying time before population explosion in the third world impacts negatively on the 1st world.

If you can imagine the above as a “Yes Minister” sketch, you can see it as what is happening now.

259577 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 8, #208 of 1618 🔗
259690 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to arfurmo, #209 of 1618 🔗

Looks like they have shut down comments though….. ?

260215 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bill h, #210 of 1618 🔗

Comments are open and working now.

259580 Prsjm3qf, replying to Prsjm3qf, 24, #211 of 1618 🔗

The purpose of lockdown is to prevent us achieving herd immunity (or prevent us from seeing that we’ve achieved it) and to keep the covid scam running until the Great Reset is delivered.

The new normal is not gonna be good for normal people.

259602 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Prsjm3qf, 13, #212 of 1618 🔗

To prevent us from discussing what is going on.

259657 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #213 of 1618 🔗

Shutting down pubs, clubs and organised social activities does just that.

260743 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #214 of 1618 🔗

Reopen them. Organize a coordinated rollout in the countryside, nationwide, worldwide. Link up with others around the world.

260957 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, #215 of 1618 🔗

Go underground

259584 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 34, #216 of 1618 🔗

Important though technical articles are – and of course we should know the facts – this has now gone way beyond arguments about t-cells and mask performance.

What is at stake is a very simple question: do we want to live in a free country or a biofascist dictatorship?

If the answer is yes, then all we have to do is sit back and let it happen. Today’s Telegraph was trailing a ‘Freedom Pass’ conditional on twice weekly tests and a ‘Health Passport’ – it’s pretty obvious that it will be used to exclude non-conformists from normal life in the globalists’ New Order.

If the answer is no, then we need to say so and mean it.

Unfortunately, there is no middle ground now.

259596 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to PaulH, 14, #217 of 1618 🔗

Yes, looks like that digital surveillance machinery the ‘conspiracy’ crowd warned about is going full steam ahead with Health passports. Lucrative contracts with government for suppliers of innovative surveillance systems. Bezos will be in on it with the latest gizmos. All the powerful players are singing off the same hymn sheet, our ‘old school’ daily lives are gone.

259759 ▶▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Marialta, 6, #218 of 1618 🔗

How are they going to issue/manage health passports? Their test and trace programme failed because it was based on an Excel spreadsheet and people don’t answer ‘unknown’ numbers on their mobile. Companies have already come out and said that it would be economical suicide to limit their customer base so severely. Plus I’ll guarantee that your local corner shop will be selling ‘examples’ of the said documents within days, £20 and fill in your info. Fit to fly documents are already available in Blackburn.

259946 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mike Collins, 1, #219 of 1618 🔗

https://www.ibm.com/products/digital-health-pass

‘supporting the exchange of an individual’s health status’

’As individuals may need to present their health status to return to public places, organisations are looking for solutions that can help calculate the risk of COVID -19 while protecting privacy.’

Powered by blockchain, IBM Digital Health Pass uses a smartphone.

260203 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Marialta, 3, #220 of 1618 🔗

So we will have a two-tier society. One tier with smartphones and one without.

259611 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to PaulH, 9, #221 of 1618 🔗

You’re absolutely right. The facts have never supported this. But as far as the government is concerned, the facts are irrelevant.

259814 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, -3, #222 of 1618 🔗

Still can’t be bothered to get yourself an ID that isn’t already in regular use, I see. (Assuming you are the new Mark who started posting occasionally a month or so ago. If not, mistaken identity.)

What’s the difficulty? Too lazy? Too stupid? Just too inconsiderate about the inevitable confusion likely to arise?

259862 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark, 3, #223 of 1618 🔗

Change your name to “Mark-The Original And Best”?

259908 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 1, #224 of 1618 🔗

Thought about it, but why should I have to change just because this person barges in so rudely (I tried polite engagement at first, but was just ignored – he seems generally not to reply to any comments addressed to him).

So I’ll just flag up any of his posts that I would prefer not be falsely associated with by pasting the above saved comment below it.

Just the kind of petty irritant created by people who act inconsiderately.

259974 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Mark, 1, #225 of 1618 🔗

Unfortunately happens all over the internet with those using plain names? Works OK on less visited sites, but less well on those that get masses of comments. I’ve seen Two-six’s suggestion work fine on a smaller community site, where it was obvious to everyone that the imposter was a fake.

260040 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sceptic down south, 1, #226 of 1618 🔗

First time I’ve encountered it, probably because in the past I’ve been on proper forum software that simply doesn’t allow duplicate logged in posting ids. The WordPress stuff is, I think, probably designed for light traffic blogs without many sustained commenters (though I was rather amazed to hear there is no option in the software to bar duplicates – seems pretty basic, and presumably trivial to implement, to me).

260044 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sceptic down south, 1, #227 of 1618 🔗

Again though, there’s a perfectly simple workaround when decent folk are involved – just choose an id that isn’t a duplicate of one already in regular use. Sadly this commenter seems incapable of doing so and has been too rude even to engage on the issue to explain why he or she is incapable of doing that.

259934 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to PaulH, 6, #228 of 1618 🔗

Yes I agree…I do tire of the technical arguments about models and T cells etc.I am an academic but i honestly think all this is about deeper moral and philosophical issues.

Do our freedoms belong to us and are they inalienable?

Is it acceptable for government to take over every aspect of our lives?

Is it morally right for people’s jobs and businesses to be destroyed completely to achieve some alleged greater good?

etc

259586 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #229 of 1618 🔗

Where did being decent hard working law abiding citizens get us?

Is it better that I sacrifice myself in the cause of freedom (as many have before) in the hope that my children and grandchildren will have this abomination lifted from them?

259661 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #230 of 1618 🔗

They will be paying for their servitude their entire lives while Bill Gates laughs into his Bitcoins.

259587 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 27, #231 of 1618 🔗

The ONS figure of deaths up to week 45 is 517,614 (England and Wales), compared to an average of 459,095 for the prior 5 years, giving excess deaths of 58,519.

However, the population has increased and aged over the last 5 years. When you adjust for that, the death rate assuming 2020 were a normal year should have been 484,482, so excess deaths are 33,132.

At a very conservative estimate 15,000 are due to non-direct effects, i.e. people not seeking medical attention etc.

Anybody with an iota of sense can see lockdowns have achieved virtually nothing if that.

So we have destroyed our country and our economy for the sake of 18,000 people, of whom around 1,800 are under 65.

Well done, Boris, keep on destroying lives and livelihoods, creating mass unemployment, suicide and mental health nightmares to protect a few very old people !

259591 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Laurence, 28, #232 of 1618 🔗

‘But… but every other country in the world has done it!’

Doesn’t mean it’s right. The social media age has massively fostered groupthink, allowing world leaders to both copy each other and compete to be the most virtuous in their ‘response to the pandemic’.

259601 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Laurence, 31, #233 of 1618 🔗

Very few people look objectively at the figures, they hear the word death and go into a panic as if the Grim Reaper was chasing them down the Street. Many people have no ideas how many people normally die in the UK but just get hysterical when they hear the word.
Flu can be a major killer 28,330 flu deaths in 2014/15 but somehow flu never had the PR agent that Covid seems to have.
The current total registered deaths in the UK are not out of line with the norm and are no reason for emergency action but that will not stop them. Hancock and Johnson look terrifying, deranged , demented and completely unhinged, I’m not terrified of covid i am terrified of these monsters running our country.

259639 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #234 of 1618 🔗

I agree with the description of Johnson, but Hancock deranged yes, but terrified, unfortunately not. He seems to be enjoying every second on his podium of power, dictating how the little people should conduct themselves. He doesnt even remotely look as though he has lost a single hour of sleep, unlike many of us.

259666 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #235 of 1618 🔗

I said to three people yesterday that come mid January it will be clear that overall mortality for 2020 will be much the same as usual* and then you’ll have to ask what lockdown was for.

*with caveat for suicides and NHS neglect deaths.

260193 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 2, #236 of 1618 🔗

Take it back to September 2019 and mortality will be below average.

260211 ▶▶▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Will, 1, #237 of 1618 🔗

Yes, like other countries that were hit hard by COVID, we had a year of significantly below-trend mortality before the pandemic.

259761 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #238 of 1618 🔗

Look at Bozo’s eyes top of page, they look dead to me.

259858 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #239 of 1618 🔗

Absolutely – been saying this since May, but no-one i know has listened to me. My brother has been saying these things for 13 years or more and we all thought he was a nutter til March.

261137 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, #240 of 1618 🔗

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=boris+johnson+bill+gates&ia=web
BJ and BG sitting in a tree k i s s i n g.

259604 ▶▶ steph, replying to Laurence, 19, #241 of 1618 🔗

Boris can stick his new stricter tiers where the sun don’t shine. Nobody I know was complying fully with Lockdown2 and nobody will comply fully with tiers.
As for the totalitarian freedom pass.? No way. I’ll avoid all testing unless I’m really ill and the vaccination because I don’t need it and don’t trust that it’s safe I will go about my business however as much as I am able with no reference to anybody else’s permission. This has all gone too far.
I regret that our Christmas plans this year were always going to be modest and will therefore likely comply with what we are “allowed” to do.

259622 ▶▶ Will, replying to Laurence, 2, #242 of 1618 🔗

Great post Laurence. Would you be able to provide a link to the excess deaths adjusted figure so I can use the figures to do some “tutoring in the ways of righteousness” on Facebook? Thank you.

259650 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Laurence, 15, #243 of 1618 🔗

Well said. I’m not complying with this second lockdown and the government can take a hike with their new tier systems.

Those who are still asleep and swallowing the propaganda whole are complicit in the destruction of lives & livelihoods, unemployment, bankruptcies, deaths from untreated illnesses and suicides, mental health issues, domestic violence, substance abuse and retardation of children & young people’s development.

They have blood on their hands.

259593 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 6, #244 of 1618 🔗

This extreme use of authoritarianism is going to result in an anarchist backlash later down the line, like how Marxism-Leninism was a backlash to Tzarist tyranny.

259670 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Censored Dog, 1, #245 of 1618 🔗

somewhere in yesterday’s Roundup it was reported that Antifa XR groups had turned up at the Berlin Sceptic protests to help police hose them down with water cannons*
Do they not understand that Scepticism is cross party ?

(*They arrived too late apparently).

259748 ▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to karenovirus, 1, #246 of 1618 🔗

They are not actual anarchists, they are only called that as an insult, as many XR principles are incompatible with anarchism

260750 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #247 of 1618 🔗

They are part of the Global Action Plan. Who pays for all their transport and accommodations?

261141 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Censored Dog, #248 of 1618 🔗

Lockdown the government. Masked 24 hours a day. How many will survive?

259861 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PastImperfect, #250 of 1618 🔗

I heard him mentioned in the press briefing by Sydney whats-er-name a couple of days ago – it stood out because someone said the other day to keep an ear out for that name.

259921 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to CGL, #251 of 1618 🔗

Sidney Powell.

259597 Sophie123, replying to Sophie123, 23, #252 of 1618 🔗

That Nature paper is super important. Not only does it rubbish asymptomatic transmission, and hence make the whole mask wearing thing a nonsense, but it shows what good mass screening looks like.

Samples handled consistently, nothing positive with a Ct count above 37, classed at no risk of being positive over 40 (double checked in between)….and viral cultures done as well (all of which were negative).

Makes you wonder why our results from testing show so many “cases“? Could it be that our testing is chaotic and completely shit? I wonder….

259609 ▶▶ Graham Strouts, replying to Sophie123, 6, #253 of 1618 🔗

From Dr Claire Craig on Twitter- China is trolling us with this study and Nature should be ashamed to publish it. She thinks none of the data is plausible and points out that all the previous studies claiming there was asymptomatic transmission were also from China (and fake)

https://twitter.com/clarecraigpath/status/1330390117576531971?s=21

259616 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Graham Strouts, #254 of 1618 🔗

Really?! what’s their agenda saying there is, then there isn’t?
very strange

259646 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Sophie123, 14, #255 of 1618 🔗

i have read her criticism now. First the volume of tests they have done. Agree it is a lot, but it is not implausible. The Chinese can achieve a lot when they put their resources behind it.

Second the low levels of infection. I agree it’s startlingly low, relative to what we see elsewhere in the world. But could it also be that our high figures are utter bullshit and an artefact of chaotic laboratories, no standardised approach and general incompetence? given that few people are actually sick with COVID here, I am inclined to think it’s more likely the high numbers in the U.K. are bollocks than the low ones in China are.

Could it be that the Chinese have realised that if the rest of the world is in an economic spiral forever because of the reaction to the virus, that they might get to rule the world, but it’ll be a poor world to rule over if nobody is doing anything, buying anything or going anywhere? So time for a bit of reality?

259982 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Sophie123, #256 of 1618 🔗

Only just spotting this now. I wrote something above, about the IFR being too low – 3K dead from 35K infections. Ie, the infections are too low, which intuitively makes sense, and hence can one in fact rely on anything they say relating to asymptomatic etc?

260051 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rick, replying to Sceptic down south, 6, #257 of 1618 🔗

Almost the entire globe have taken the strategy of lockdown from the Chinese and used it without question. Yet they will question this paper because it does not fit their warped narrative. Would I trust it, no, but that also applies to lockdowns, masks and all the other shit.

260196 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Rick, 1, #258 of 1618 🔗

Ivor Cummins called them “the China guidelines” in a video I saw today.

260192 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Sophie123, 6, #259 of 1618 🔗

Interesting. The “people falling over dead in the street” Chinese video made me wonder if this was some sort of experiment by the Chinese to see how the West would react. They might not have expected the dire consequences that have resulted. Could have surprised them that our countries would all voluntarily self-implode their economies. It’s certainly shocked us.

But you’re right, China is still a huge exporting nation even if they’re putting more emphasis on their internal markets. They are killing the goose that laid the golden egg if they allow our economies to fail completely. So why not give us evidence so that our governments can back down.

259848 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sophie123, #260 of 1618 🔗

.

259627 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Graham Strouts, 4, #261 of 1618 🔗

I don’t trust her, or anyone anymore

259618 ▶▶ Will, replying to Sophie123, #262 of 1618 🔗

That is why China are completely finished with the virus.

259662 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sophie123, 6, #263 of 1618 🔗

Now watch the fact-checkers ban Nature.

259737 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sophie123, 6, #264 of 1618 🔗

I agree with Captain G that Claire Craig’s comment on this new Nature article is very relevant and I cannot understand one of the commentator here dismissing everything she says. This is a paradox. Most of the previous publications stating asymptomatic transmission came form China and we were sceptical then of those claims. Then this new article from China saying the contrary is suddenly accepted. Anything from China must be viewed with utmost suspicion. Their mask studies have all been appalling. Another commentator apart from Claire Craig has also come out against the article, Kevin McKernan a world leading expert in PCR and also a lockdown sceptic. He has serious criticism in this study as regards the technical details (and he is a leading expert on PCR) and also questions the ridiculous low false positivity rate. The twitter thread link from him is below. Nevertheless, Fauci was right in January, never in the history of respiratory virus epidemics has the transmission been driven by asymptomatic. People forget that many with C-19 have so mild symptoms, which they never would have stayed home from in normal times.
 https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1330349914140921861

261101 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to swedenborg, 1, #265 of 1618 🔗

Not dismissing. Questioning. There is a difference.

259676 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to alw, #267 of 1618 🔗

Thanks for that – I wasn’t aware of this case.

259615 l835, replying to l835, 18, #268 of 1618 🔗

Where are the punks, anarchists and bikers of our youth? All I see now is fat middle aged people who say “I’m not allowed to…” game over.

259659 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to l835, 2, #269 of 1618 🔗

And the bad thing is many of them the propaganda wholesale.

259665 ▶▶ TJN, replying to l835, 5, #270 of 1618 🔗

Yes, what has changed?

In a Telegraph column of 12 January 2006 by Our Dear Leader, Liar Johnson, lamented the lack of spirit in contemporary rock stars, comparing the weak Kaiser Chief’s song ‘I predict a riot’ with The Clash’s ‘White Riot’, a far more direct and robust piece of work.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3622260/Blair-is-not-going-to-get-yobs-off-the-streets-youll-have-to.html

Here’s an extract:

… James Blunt seems drippy next to the rock stars of the good old days, he is positively macho by comparison with the Kaiser Chiefs. These are the weeds from Leeds whose hit single was I predict a riot, a tale about the bourgeois apprehension of a chap who tries to get a taxi on a Saturday night in the centre of town.

“Watching the people get lairy/It’s not very pretty I tell thee./ Walking through town is quite scary/And not very sensible either,” sing these epic softies. Then the chap meets another chap in a tracksuit, who looks as though he might offer violence, but doesn’t, and that’s about it. It’s pathetic!

When I was a nipper it was standard practice for a rock star to start the evening by biting the head off a pigeon and throwing the television out of the window before electrocuting his girlfriend in the bath and almost drowning in a cocktail of whisky, heroin and his own vomit. The self-respecting British punk rockers didn’t get up on stage and start whimpering about how they predicted a riot. They incited riots. “White riot, I want a riot, white riot, a riot of my own,” they sang, if my memory serves me correctly.

260005 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to l835, 2, #271 of 1618 🔗

I’ve said it before, it seems to be the anarcho-SWP window smashing, “Stop the City” lately Occupy rebels of my youth who are the keenest to meekly do what Boris tells them. Weird!

260184 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to l835, 1, #272 of 1618 🔗

I agree. I used to follow the Grateful Dead (American hippie jam band from San Francisco in the 60s). Their followers were rebellious hippie types who talked about the last American adventure. Now some of my Deadhead friends take pictures of themselves wearing GD-themed masks.

259617 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #273 of 1618 🔗
259621 ▶▶ l835, replying to Cecil B, 4, #274 of 1618 🔗

Slap her.

259620 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 29, #275 of 1618 🔗

The Lord Sumption article in the Daily Mail should be read by everyone. It is a sermon. A rational, reasonable, responsible message. The problem is, the people in my life who desperately need this message will not read it BECAUSE it is in the Daily Mail. Before this crisis I would have been one of those people. I have boycotted two newspapers in my life: the Daily Mail because of the stance it took on Brexit (being a staunch remainer), and the Guardian, partly over the stance it took on the nightmare we are currently living in. And it’s led me to believe this. The real crisis, the real threat to our lives is POLITICAL POLARIZATION. There are people in the US, people I used to align with and respect, who are putting their 3-year-old children in face masks, making their children live in a sea of expressionless faces, forever damaging them – psychologically and physically – ONLY because they hate Trump so much. I can’t stand the guy, I’m appalled by much of his behaviour and am opposed to many of his actions. But when people can’t think for themselves and even jeopardise their children’s lives… they are in a political CULT. Nothing less. Dark times ahead. Where can we go and live while this plays out? Where? Any ideas?!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8973529/LORD-SUMPTION-morally-wrong-government-control-freaks-tell-Christmas.html

259638 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #276 of 1618 🔗

Left, right, in the middle, gay, straight, male, female, black, white, anyone else we can think of, we are all in this together

No freedom = No peace

259660 ▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #277 of 1618 🔗

We stay right here and we show our faces and we smile
and we tell the cultists to get stuffed.

260176 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 6, #278 of 1618 🔗

Annie, you’re a braver soul than me. I went in a shop this morning. First time in months. With my mask exemption lanyard on. Absolutely horrifying. All the masked zombies. Just sickening. Still trying to get over the experience now hours later. You all who brave the shops all the time have my admiration. Masks trigger vague flashbacks of the anonymous attack I suffered a dozen years ago. Can’t do it.

259716 ▶▶ Chloe, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #279 of 1618 🔗

I’m completely with you on the Daily Mail frustration. Haven’t even bothered sharing with and friends because it will actually be detrimental to the cause – “oh it’s in the DM I should believe the complete opposite and why have you turned into a right wing Trump supporter” etc

259736 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Chloe, 7, #280 of 1618 🔗

Newspaper quotes verifiable sources, most of which are government’s own figures – Lies!
Fat man goes on telly and shows meaningless graph – “Oh, he must be right – be afraid, be very afraid”

Yeah, them’s the kind of friends you need…

260012 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Chloe, 5, #281 of 1618 🔗

I get “Q Anon supporter” thrown at me by former friends for daring to suggest that we question the figures and the approach. You are right.

260180 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Chloe, 10, #282 of 1618 🔗

Funny, a year ago I would have agreed with them. I was a Guardian reader until the cognitive dissonance got so bad that I started reading the DM. Found that I now have more in common with them than Guardian readers. Guardian readers don’t seem to care about ordinary people, which was a hallmark of the left when I was growing up 60 years ago.

259784 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #283 of 1618 🔗

There are far too many people who do not read anything longer than a headline. I have a friend who once told me she had never read a book!!

259871 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #284 of 1618 🔗

Somebody on here said this a while ago. If you ask people to tell you about something they saw in a newspaper on on SM they will say “I saw something about…” well this means they saw a headline but what they aren’t saying is “I READ” something.

There is a big difference between the two things. Many people just literally “SEE” a headline and that’s it.
End of.

260411 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, #285 of 1618 🔗

This is literally Propaganda 101 – I mean literally, it is undoubtedly taught in classes about opinion manipulation. Most people don’t read beyond the headlines, most of the time.

That’s one reason it’s more important to have the headline editors on your side than the writers.

259789 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #286 of 1618 🔗

Read the latest article here
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/11/the-pfizer-vaccines-meaningless-90-effectiveness-and-the-circus-surrounding-it/

They focus on the vaccine hype but strongly make the point you have that division is the goal.

260172 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #287 of 1618 🔗

I’m a liberal dual citizen. Didn’t vote for Trump. Hate the guy. But when I saw people saying “Trump’s virus” in the States, I knew I did the right thing sitting out the election. Couldn’t bring myself to vote for Biden and glad now that I didn’t. From what I’ve seen on FB of my liberal friends’ reactions to the election and the virus, I’m now starting to believe in Trump Derangement Syndrome. Obviously, I already believe in Covid Derangement Syndrome.

As for where can we go and live, I could use a big hint myself. I’m in the UK right now, but have debated endlessly about going back to the States. There might be more of a pushback in the US, but I don’t know. And lots of states seem to require masks outside, which would then confine me inside. Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

260766 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to ConstantBees, #288 of 1618 🔗

Sorry if the ads intrude. Here’s Annie Ross singing, Gerry Mulligan on Baritone Sax: Devil and the deep blue sea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbHsm0CX8Zw

260471 ▶▶ AfterAll, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #289 of 1618 🔗

Mail on Sunday (same website, different editor) was Remain if I recall correctly. Nowadays the Mail does more investigative journalism than the rest of the UK papers put together, and it reaches a lot of people.

259624 alw, replying to alw, 5, #290 of 1618 🔗

More from the excellent Mike Yeadon

259628 ▶▶ alw, replying to alw, 5, #291 of 1618 🔗

Attached

260066 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 1, #292 of 1618 🔗

So these MPs still won’t do anything because they don’t have the power. Howe stupid and pathetic!
Next election they will all be out (both Conservative and Labour)

259630 alw, replying to alw, 57, #293 of 1618 🔗

Seen elsewhere

259633 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to alw, 7, #294 of 1618 🔗

Oh I love that!

259635 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #295 of 1618 🔗

Better than this… Brighton & Hove not caring HOW they spread the propaganda. Just coerce mask wearing however you can. I’m furious!!

259637 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #296 of 1618 🔗

That’s fucking awful, and my council? Fuming 😤

259903 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #297 of 1618 🔗

I’m not upticking that – sorry!
Shitty demonic bastards.

260061 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #298 of 1618 🔗

Ugh

260373 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #299 of 1618 🔗

In a sense it’s a great ad ! None of those reasons listed have anything to do with preventing the spread of the virus, it’s almost as if they admit it is blatantly useless in that regard !

259654 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, 3, #300 of 1618 🔗

Fantastic!!!

259656 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 5, #301 of 1618 🔗

I knew there was a way to subvert that poisonous slogan, but I wasn’t bright enough to think of it!

259675 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to alw, 10, #302 of 1618 🔗

There’s a slightly higher resolution version available here .

See also https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusCirclejerk/ for some other gems, such as the attached Darth Vader meme.

259791 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Mabel Cow, #303 of 1618 🔗

That’s brilliant!

260833 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #304 of 1618 🔗

Love it, although would love to see a Kylo Ren version. Wears a mask just for the look, prone to tantrums when opinions challenged, very existence due to the perversion of a once great franchise.

259632 Cecil B, 1, #305 of 1618 🔗

The 10pm curfew, how’s that going?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55032502

259642 Matthew Beresford, replying to Matthew Beresford, 7, #306 of 1618 🔗

#goslowtosayno

1st December, 5pm.
Drive in your local area at 10mph.

259804 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Matthew Beresford, 1, #307 of 1618 🔗

Yes, we do need to make some sort of protest. Also sound horns?

260526 ▶▶▶ Matthew Beresford, replying to Basileus, 1, #308 of 1618 🔗

There were some good car ideas flagged up by Toby. It needs to be something that is not illegal, very difficult to ‘police’ and makes a big statement – somethign co-ordinated would be great.

259645 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 33, #309 of 1618 🔗
259651 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #310 of 1618 🔗

Great!

259652 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #311 of 1618 🔗

Hear, hear!!!! 👏 👏

259851 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #312 of 1618 🔗

Four freedoms by Norman F***king Rockwell, freedom from fear, freedom from want, freedom of speech freedom of worship. Never forget

260778 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #313 of 1618 🔗

Don’t forget SAGE in your stuffing.

259658 Julian, replying to Julian, 10, #314 of 1618 🔗

Update from one of the other legal challenges to restrictions:

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/

Update on The Coronavirus Act 2020 is Null and Void!

To our Great Supporters,

We received a pathetic response from the Government Legal Department on Friday, 13th November, which was the latest time to the day that they had to respond! This was after they spitefully rejected our reasonable request for urgency. The truth is they are dragging their heels at every opportunity as they are terrified of our legal action against them! So far it has now been over 3 months since we commenced our legal action on 7th August.

Their lamentable response is now available on our Case Page for your amusement. We were very happy that they decided to pad out their response by including a “full chronology of events and relevant legislation passed”. This is nothing short of an own goal, as it just demonstrates the massive, completely unprecedented amount of ludicrous secondary legislation that has been churned out. All passed in an under-hand, unprecedented way without any real Parliamentary scrutiny or checks and balances.

We are now compiling a response to them and we will have plenty to say about it. Of course the most important is the way this Government of Occupation has abused, assaulted and defiled our Constitution, our Common Law, our Democracy, our Freedoms, our Sovereignty, our Legal System, our Parliament, our individual Legal Rights and our Human Rights. Further, they have falsely declared an “emergency period” which is something they have invented, instead of declaring a State of Emergency. Had they done this, we would have the protections given under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, as this would automatically have been triggered. There is no excuse for this, as a State of Emergency has even been declared over strikes historically and has been deliberately avoided now in order to create this tyranny and control over us.

Other issues include the false claim that many of of our challenges are out of time when we had already commenced those challenges. Also, the fact that our Claimants are not business owners and somehow it is deemed that they are not victims. However, we can all be considered victims when the businesses and services that we want and need are taken away from us with unlawful legislation. Further, the Government Legal Department cannot be considered at all credible as it thinks that this fake and corrupt secondary legislation can somehow have precedence over Statute Law! These are just some examples of the many failings of this response. They are defending the indefensible, you can be assured that we intend to fight this every step of the way and take back our Rights and Freedoms that have been stolen from us by this Government of Occupation!

It is so important that people get to know about our legal action and it would be amazing if you could:

Thank you again for your help in our fight against Government tyranny and oppression. Together we can break down ‘Gates of Hell’, defeat the Dictators and take our lives and freedom back!

Best wishes,

The People’s Brexit

260043 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 1, #315 of 1618 🔗

If I’m correct, it’s the 1984 Health Act that’s part responsible for the totalitarianism we’re experiencing now. I’ve not heard that that Coronavirus Act is over. Doesn’t make sense since things are getting worse and worse

259663 SmokeandMirrors, replying to SmokeandMirrors, 17, #316 of 1618 🔗

Asymptomatic Spread. It’s so, so convenient.

But what’s more plausible?

a) There is a clever virus out there that can so invade the cells of your body to the extent that you become infectious – and yet you don’t even notice.

OR

b) There are many people out there who feel ill, know they feel ill, exhibit symptons and yet go about their daily business – because they have to . They need to shop, to work, to pick up their kids – in other words all the awkward things that people have to do. They do not have other alternatives available. They have to do it themselves.
If asked if they are ill, they will……lie. It’s human nature.

So, which is more plausible? a) or b) The exotic or the mundane?

259695 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to SmokeandMirrors, 6, #317 of 1618 🔗

B

And B

And I think B

260055 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to SmokeandMirrors, 2, #318 of 1618 🔗

I am amazed that they got away with this lie for so long.

Scientists know that when you have a viral infection you will have symptoms – that is the body’s way of fighting viruses

259667 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 88, #319 of 1618 🔗

Feeling quite depressed today. Had a big argument with my parents over this whole mess last night. They actually think lockdowns are worth it. Every time I tried to explain the massive collateral damage, they just snarled back ‘We’re not talking about that!’ – well no, of course you’re not, because the collateral damage is the main and strongest argument against your slavish support for the most damaging policy in history. Lockdown is only supportable if you pretend that it doesn’t have enormous downsides. They cited the dodgy SAGE modelling and, believe it or not, my mum cited the Derbyshire village of Eyam being locked down in the 1600s for the PLAGUE as evidence that lockdowns work. Hm yes, 1600s disease control, how scientific and enlightened!

No matter how many arguments against this rubbish I presented to them, with evidence, they would either talk over me or snap, ‘Well become an MP then, do something about it’. Charming. I have never seen eye-to-eye with my parents for a number of reasons that I won’t go into today.

My parents are in their mid-fifties. Mum used to work part time at a school but now doesn’t because she’s ‘scared’ (she is also lucky enough to be able to afford not to work) and dad has worked from home throughout this with a reasonably secure job. They are both convinced that they are at ‘high risk’ from this disease and that they are guaranteed to end up in hospital if they catch it. Neither of my parents have underlying conditions and both eat healthily/exercise. Classic middle class worried well. Meanwhile I am getting a second-rate online university education for no fee reduction, can’t see my bf of 3 years (my only bridge to sanity right now), will be graduating into a shrunken job market, and am battling long-term mental health issues.

I know deep down that arguing with family over this is not helpful and won’t make it all go away, but I just find it so upsetting that my own flesh and blood holds opinions that would have been unthinkable just a year ago. It is so so difficult and a big slap in the face when your own family becomes what you’ve been fighting against for so long. I’m trying desperately to resist the resentment that is brewing but how can I not when I feel so strongly about this? The government is radicalising members of my own family. I no longer recognise my fellow countrymen when they cheer for a policy which literally kills people.

259678 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Poppy, 40, #320 of 1618 🔗

The Spanish Civil War had this effect on families too. Go and break the rules and see your partner anyway, it will feel empowering. My Dad said yesterday he couldn’t see us again (having seen us Friday) because he “had to draw the line somewhere”. Makes no sense at all and I told him as much. People have become imbecilic and I have lost respect for their views on this, having been quite tolerant previously. Good luck.

259771 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to jhfreedom, 4, #321 of 1618 🔗

They shall not pass.

259778 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #322 of 1618 🔗

No passeran!

259681 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Poppy, 38, #323 of 1618 🔗

Poppy

Me and the OH are full on sceptic

We will adopt you

259684 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 8, #324 of 1618 🔗

That’s really nice. 👍

259729 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Cecil B, 20, #325 of 1618 🔗

We would all be proud to have Poppy and those like her in our family. Such a shame that her real family doesn’t value her clear thinking but hopefully bridges can be built when this is all over.
I keep saying when because I cannot countenance if.

259963 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cecil B, 7, #326 of 1618 🔗

We will all adopt you. You will have love and hugs to spare!

See your bf anyway.

259683 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Poppy, 24, #327 of 1618 🔗

It must be particularly difficult with parents who believe the Lie. This government should burn in hell for an eternity for the damage they have caused.

259685 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Poppy, 22, #328 of 1618 🔗

My parents are both sceptics, but most of my siblings are collaborators.

I can only conclude that belief in coronabollocks is rather like a disease in itself. Some experience in our lives has made my parents and I immune to the bullshit, but my siblings are immunonaive and have no protection against the mind virus. And once the virus sets up shop, cure is almost impossible.

I am reconciled to not talking to my siblings until they have been cleansed of the disease. What form that cleansing might take, I do not know.

259688 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Poppy, 20, #329 of 1618 🔗

Go and see your boyfriend. If he can’t come round to you, meet up somewhere – so many people out and about ignoring the lockdown, who will know you are not ‘one household’.

260543 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nsklent, 4, #330 of 1618 🔗

In the local park today and it was mobbed, hundreds if not a thousand or more. Lots of big groups and no noticeable (anti) social distancing. The only mask wearers were two teenage girls, obviously dumb enough to still see masks as a beguiling fashion accessory.

259693 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Poppy, 19, #331 of 1618 🔗

Poppy, we’ve had this conversation before – go see your guy now! Don’t let them take that, of all things, away from you.

259696 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Poppy, 36, #332 of 1618 🔗

Poppy, I’m closer to your mum’s age. When I read your brilliant, eloquent writing, it gave me hope. I think you said you are 22. You are more important than most of us here. You are the future. Don’t worry too much about your parents. I fell out with my father, a medical doctor who married a devout Christian, who would not agree with me, in front of her, that a human body cannot be LITERALLY dead for 3 days and then get up and walk around. Unfortunately this situation has created a new religion. Believers are not interested in facts. They have been threatened with death if they challenge the propaganda. You can’t deprogramme them. They have been radicalised. I’m so sorry. I know – from experience – how upsetting it is when people you love have closed their ears. But you have so many supporters. You will find your real “family” as you move through life. Never give up your integrity. I can tell you from experience… it’s the one thing they can never take from you unless you give it up. Stay strong. The world NEEDS young women like you more than ever!

259700 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Poppy, 22, #333 of 1618 🔗

Awh hugs Poppy. I almost got into an argument with MIL last night over the phone about it all…….she is all for lockdown and driven by death rates etc. My friend who is also a lockdown loon wanted to meet for a coffee today and I sadly made an excuse not to go because I couldn’t bear to hear her go on about the nonsense anymore and get into a row. It can feel hopeless at times.
Go see your boyfriend anyway!

259707 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Poppy, 22, #334 of 1618 🔗

The effects of this strange mental infection are baffling and infuriating indeed, Poppy. I would give huge credit to my father for bringing me up to think, with rigour, for myself, to value the scientific method and to approach life with a healthy dose of cynicism. Yet he has fallen prey to the disease and thinks everyone should just support the Government, while my typically less questioning 80 yo mother sees right through it and is determinedly going about her business and sticking 2 fingers up at our persecutors.

There is no rhyme or reason to how the sickness strikes! Keep thinking for yourself and try not to waste energy on resentment. We understand and your eloquent and insightful contributions are a highlight here.

259709 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 15, #335 of 1618 🔗

You can class your boyfriend as your “support bubble” which is a nebulous term anyway but one that you can adapt for your purposes.

I know how you feel as I have friends who are lockdown zealots who I suspect are using the rules to avoid meeting socially so I have been doing a quid pro quo and not bothering with them either. As for my family, I’ve not really discussed this with them but I suspect that they will see the end justify the means. The good thing is they live overseas so its becoming a case of out of sight out of mind.

Its sad when crises like this expose people who know and love for who they truly are or who they can be and its a painful realisation. However we have to be steadfast and remain true to who we truly are. Do not feel resentment but keep on fighting.

259732 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Poppy, 19, #336 of 1618 🔗

Go see your boyfriend, screw the illegal guidelines.

Your parents are suffering from Covid Derangment Syndrome, I think we probably all have family members who have the same condition. Maybe try and see it that way and treat them as if they are ill. Tell them you’re worried about them and if they need any help, you can point them in the right direction.

259733 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Poppy, 15, #337 of 1618 🔗

I feel your pain although I am 2 decades off compared to your family (I am 46 with my parents 69/70). Both they and my siblings are lockdown zealots – the worst of whom is my woke, Guardian reading, millennial brother who told me, with a straight face, that the pubs would have to close anyway because he had stopped going to them.

259767 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ewan Duffy, 10, #338 of 1618 🔗

Self awareness and Guardian reading are not often to be found in the same post code!
When the pubs open again, I’m sure they’ll manage without him.

259735 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Poppy, 9, #339 of 1618 🔗

My mum is open to my conversations on this however data and information on casedmeics does t do it. She resonates more with nurses and doctors speaking up as she’s a retired nurse herself. So maybe look to what would be the best angle.

Their advice is solid too. Do get political. And do something about it. Even just writing to your MP at the very least. But keep pushing.

My Dad is much more politically aware and a deep cynic with regards to politicians and state intentions having grown up in the worst of the Troubles. He’s also a religious man and he is upset with the Church for just closing their doors without a note of religious freedom being undermined. He knows most politicians are in it for themselves and won’t listen, he believes that, while the virus is a real concern, it’s not the plague and we should just get on with it. He’s diabetic and has heart problems so would be vulnerable but I have made it clear it’s always his decision about whether to stay zealously safe or keep things normal. I had the kids around yesterday and brothers and sister. House was packed.

I spoke with him yesterday on the government legal battles and said that it seems many now see the government has over reached, not least in terms of fines and curtailing fundamental freedoms. He agreed. I went further however and said that its corrupt to the bones and without going into the Global Reset and mandatory vax stuff, I told him this can only end well with Polticians in jail. Otherwise it won’t be a world where we will have won this. I bet him money it will happen though within 5 years. Hancock in jail.

259744 ▶▶ Gail, replying to Poppy, 20, #340 of 1618 🔗

Poppy my advice to you is let them go their own way on this. You will not change their mind so upsetting yourself is pointless. It sounds like your life is challenging enough at the moment so its better for you to surround yourself with people who uplift and support you. Its better to feel pity for them as being so fearful of life is tragic. My mother is 84 years old and is furious about the burden being placed on young people. She says ‘not in my name’. She has ignored all of rules throughout as an act of protest. When I hit a brick wall with people who believe the propaganda I quote Dr.John Lee ‘there is more to life than death’. For some reason this simple statement seems to strike a cord with them. Then I just leave it hanging there and move on. Oh by the way go and see your boyfriend!

259763 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Poppy, 9, #341 of 1618 🔗

My sympathies are with you and sounds like much of my own family. Some of whom are only now coming round to being sceptic- my oh was very much in the don’t want to talk about it category but is now at last seeing the bigger picture ( thanks largely to finally looking at this site – some of the jokes at the end of reports were what finally got him reading here) it is really hard when those you love and care for seem totally blind to reality. I have used the argument that it is because I love and care for them that I don’t want them to be totally blindsided when it hits them that this is not necessarily about a “deadly virus”.

259777 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Poppy, 10, #342 of 1618 🔗

My experience is the same Poppy; my few friends are all comparatively well off zealots, who will not acknowledge the shocking damage that this madness is wreaking on what’s left of our society: all they care about is ‘obeying the rules’ and ‘staying safe’.

My siblings and other blood relatives are less convinced but, since they’re all well paid professionals , WFH, they’re all benefiting at present: no commuting. less stress etc.

Since we have a troubled relationship at the best of times-owing to my own shattering experiences at the hands of male relatives, still not acknowledged or spoken of-they never discuss my scepticism nor do they offer any support for the sceptics’ protests and dissent.

I would say to you, see your boyfriend and believe in yourself, despite the difficulties. I’m much much older than you, but I face similar challenges every day.

We are with you.

259792 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to wendyk, 8, #343 of 1618 🔗

Wendy, I hope you have had counselling for those experiences and can put them behind you as much as possible. Obviously being emotionally distant from your family is a necessary self defence mechanism.
It’s also very sad but all too predictable that I’m alright Jack is so prevalent. I’ve said before that this whole business means I’ll never believe the best of my fellow man again.

259806 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to steph, 6, #344 of 1618 🔗

Thank you Steph, and yes, many years ago, in the immediate aftermath I did, but the family silence-they all know what happened to me- is an endless source of buried anger and frustration.

Still, I’ve learned that silence and emotional distance can be effective weapons,as they daren’t open the can of worms.

And as to ‘I’m alright Jack’; it’s so depressing ; committed Christians taking refuge in ‘obeying the rules’ and donning their mental ear muffs.

259888 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to wendyk, 7, #345 of 1618 🔗

Wendy, you have more support here and throughout the world than you could ever dream of. Your close relatives do not need to acknowledge your trauma to validate it. You are a self-determined survivor. Power to you! Stay strong. Seek out those who stand with you. Pray (in non-denominational terms) for those who are too frightened to acknowledge the truth!

259924 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #346 of 1618 🔗

Thank you for your generous comment; most welcome.

259783 ▶▶ Shep, replying to Poppy, 10, #347 of 1618 🔗

Yo poppy, you can’t reason with unreasonable. Get used to it and cheer up. We need the brains and the youth you are blessed with to fight the bull. 😎❤️

259788 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 11, #348 of 1618 🔗

That’s nearly exactly the same as my experience Poppy. MSM believing family, Zoom University and no future. I mainly have bad days too.

259795 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to DRW, 8, #349 of 1618 🔗

We are right behind you both. Please don’t forget you have friends on here. We can’t be with you physically but we are in spirit.

259798 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Poppy, 4, #350 of 1618 🔗

Poppy, if you use Instagram, please follow and reach out to @wandering_in_heels – she is incredible. Doing everything through the right legal channels and mounting a huge campaign against the mental health pandemic imposed on this country by ministers.

259803 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Poppy, 4, #351 of 1618 🔗

Think of yourself as red-pilled and live life.

259828 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Poppy, 5, #352 of 1618 🔗

Poppy, you CAN go and see your bf. Wasn’t there an interview with Hancock where he simpered that people in a “committed relationship” can visit each other’s houses. He was asked what “committed” meant, and he giggled – or some such – that the people involved would know what that meant.

259879 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Poppy, 3, #353 of 1618 🔗

Calling it collateral damage is to hide the fact that you are referring to crimes against humanity.

259936 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Poppy, 5, #354 of 1618 🔗

I wish everyone had seen the Sucharit Bhakdi video months ago when it first began

Ask your parents what a ‘case’ is

Ask them if they’ll be happy to be required to adhere to freedom passes

It’s still on YouTube, Chris Whitty saying that Covid is harmless to the vast majority of people (An Off-Guardian piece I think)

Say one thing to them that makes them question

259961 ▶▶ Sydney, replying to Poppy, 1, #355 of 1618 🔗

Feel exactly the same way. Got chucked of the family WhatsApp group today for not keeping to nice news.

260016 ▶▶ Jane, replying to Poppy, 2, #356 of 1618 🔗

Sorry to hear this.
It’s important to break these tyrannical rules and to not comply – go and visit your boyfriend any time you wish and realise those complicit in building the architecture of future totalitarian tyranny will have to answer for this one day.
Even the proles in 1917 Russia never imagined they’d have their land stripped and reallocated. Your parents are safe with their safe pension / house for the time being only. Things change and change fast when the brakes are off. Remember how Cyprus raided peoples savings accounts a few years ago and there’s nothing anyone could do about it?
These people have become colluders and collaborators, similar to the French living under Occupation.
To quote the song, which side are you on?

260099 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Poppy, 2, #357 of 1618 🔗

In Germany, it’s the other way around.
The minority that is the resistance is mainly in their mid-fifties.
The people behind the lockdowns and mandatory vaccination are the OAPs, millennials and the GenZ kids.

260120 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to Poppy, 4, #358 of 1618 🔗

That’s a great post Poppy.
I can see why you have been feeling depressed but you clearly have the intelligence and self awareness to give yourself the very best chance to come through this successfully

260635 ▶▶ sam, replying to Poppy, #359 of 1618 🔗

poppy ,i have the same thing with my sister who i love but she won’t listen to me and say will hang up the phone anytime i try to tell her anything . we must not give up and we will find our fellow scpetics

260822 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Poppy, #360 of 1618 🔗

I wish I could help you and everyone else with the jobs situation. It’s not just a matter of putting food on the table, finding meaningful employment means human dignity.

My guess is that your difficulty in seeing your partner may lie in transport – if you’re a student I guess you don’t own a car? Is there someone who can sort out transport for you both so you can at least meet in a ‘third place’. You’d not actually be breaking any laws doing that if that’s a hang-up. Or is it that you would find it problematic to be absent from the university? In which case I highly recommend some clever sneaking, it’s a great morale boost and you will find that the authorities are not as vigilant as they would like you to believe.

259668 JoanneW57, #361 of 1618 🔗

Is there a list somewhere of members of the CRG? I would be 8nterested to see who they are.

259669 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 33, #362 of 1618 🔗

To the post above wondering why none of the retailers who are in danger of administration taken a full page advert stating the damage lockdown has caused to their businesses, your guess is as good as mine.

The cynic in me thought that the big retailers would have supported the lockdown knowing that it would decimate their small competitors and leave the field to them. Unfortunately for them, its backfired as the lockdown has affected all businesses be it large or small. The idiots then become complicit in their own destruction by kowtowing to the restrictions and in many worse cases over egg the pudding by adding their own insane measures and let their ill trained staff lose to bully and harass customers.

Now with a second lockdown and the resumption of the tiered restrictions looming, why are they still not fighting back? I seriously doubt they will have a good Christmas revenue wise.

So perhaps they should stand up and say that they will defy the government, open up all their outlets and junk all restrictions – no social distancing, no masks, no sanitisers, no one way systems, etc. If the police come and try to shut them down, fobb them off and refuse the fines. Demand that they take it to the courts.

If all shops, restaurants, gyms, museums, churches, bingo halls, etc did this, the police and courts wouldn’t know where to start. They got us into this mess, see how they like it if people give it to them back.

259689 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #363 of 1618 🔗

Big businesses are afraid of looking bad in the court of public opinion by appearing to put money before lives

And quite possibly some of their boards of directors are bought into the narrative – they are not immune

259671 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #364 of 1618 🔗

Sooner or later the goons that these days pass for our police will kill a protester

The protester in Liverpool was restrained in a chokehold, repeatedly punched, and sprayed with CS whilst he lay on the floor

It is only a matter of time

259698 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 5, #365 of 1618 🔗

A. D you know what, given the absolutely appalling ignorance of the media to displays of that nature at the protests already, I don’t think they’ll be goading the public into taking the knee if that does occur.

Hypocrisy is everywhereand it seems to be almost taunting the public, flying it right in their face.

259832 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cecil B, 2, #366 of 1618 🔗

That protestor should sue them for gbh win or lose they need to take some action.

259673 IanE, replying to IanE, 8, #367 of 1618 🔗

And yet people here keep saying that we are winning! Anyone who has watched the Global Warming/Climate Change scam with increasing despair since the beginning has realised that Truth always loses to Evil, because Evil will do absolutely anything to win and ruthlessly exploits the very worst of Human nature. #Homo Non Sapiens

259677 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to IanE, 9, #368 of 1618 🔗

Climate change, Brexit and Trump. This man made scamdemic was the vehicle to overturn, overthrow and control us.

259704 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to IanE, 9, #369 of 1618 🔗

We are winning. Every day, more politicians wake up. Johnson is spent

259757 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #370 of 1618 🔗

Well, if it makes you feel better, go on believing that. I prefer to face the, admittedly bleak, reality.

259774 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to IanE, 6, #371 of 1618 🔗

Whether you’re winning or not you keep fighting for your life until victory is secured beyond doubt.

259766 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to IanE, 6, #372 of 1618 🔗

‘You cannot guarantee victory in war, but you can deserve to win.’ Winston Churchill

260181 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, #373 of 1618 🔗

‘It’s a question of damnation or – a last chance. I am offering you a way back into the human family.[…] I’m offering you a place on the right side. I don’t know which will win.’

C.S. Lewis, That Hideous Strength , chap. 10.

260800 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #374 of 1618 🔗

Ever read his Screwtape Letters?

259876 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to IanE, -2, #375 of 1618 🔗

The difference is that there is some credible evidence on man made climate change. And largely a consensus in the wider scientific community.

You can argue the pros and cons of it, but it stands up to some scrutiny and so therefore is a much more difficult argument to win.

The Rona, on the other hand, is not. There are many, many credible scientists who are on our side and the case for lockdowns and mask is extraordinarily flimsy and in fact has pretty much been disproven – especially with the latest news on asymptomatic non-transmission.

With climate change the facts are not clear. With Rona they are. The only difficulty with Rona is educating the semi-intelligent. That will come.

Personally, I’m far less convinced climate change is fake than I am about Rona. And that’s because I look at the data without regard to the politics. But even if I’m wrong, Rona is an easy win compared to that.

259897 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jakehadlee, 8, #376 of 1618 🔗

The global warming hypothesis (increased carbon dioxide causes increased average global temperature) is shown to be flawed by simply looking at the relevant data. The past hundred years has seen a constant increase in carbon dioxide, yet the average global temperature has not constantly increased; on the contrary. There was a warming trend from 1920 to 1940; there was a cooling trend from 1940 to 1975; there was a warming trend from 1975 to 1998; since when there has been no statistically significant warming. Anyone who is scientifically literate can see the hypothesis is flawed.

259905 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #377 of 1618 🔗

0.04% of the atmospheres is CO2, and of that a tiny tiny tiny tiny proportion of that is man made. Man made climate change is bullshit and covid is exactly the same kind of bullshit coming from the same bullshitters.

259952 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Two-Six, #378 of 1618 🔗

CO2 is irrelevant compared with the contribution caused by water vapour.

260804 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #379 of 1618 🔗

Bullshitters Incorporated. Contaminating your world on a daily basis.

259916 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #380 of 1618 🔗

I’m here for the Rona not the climate change. Just saying it’s a lot easier argument to win so don’t let the direction of that debate deter you from fighting the Rona lies.

I’ve no interest in debating climate change as I don’t care much either way on that one.

259938 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #381 of 1618 🔗

The 2 are connected and cannot be separated.The corona scam is being used to enforce Zero Carbon on the UK.When asked what build back better meant,Johnson said it meant the Green new deal.Hence Windmills,cycle lanes and banning of petrol/diesel cars and gas boilers in new houses.This is only the start and the control grid being built will be used to stifle opposition to these insane measures once the public realise what they entail for the comfort and ease of their lives.

260031 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #382 of 1618 🔗

How can you jump from gas boilers being replaced etc to ‘control grids’ whatever they are. Natural gas will run out and its production and supply is highly politicised. In this on going green critique I never hear of any alternative. Why the f, does a greener future have to be totalitarian? No predictions of futurity get it right. Trial and error lead to changes from the plough to the gun ,steam,the internal combustion engine , digital. Could you tell me an Anglo – Saxon peasant could predict television?Personally I think more tree planting, more bioversity, and less cars sounds good. And yes these greener techs and industries will mean jobs, p,raps coming from soul sapping and zero contract employment.

260134 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jakehadlee, -1, #383 of 1618 🔗

Yes, but you’ve triggered some people who want to show you that you’re wrong.

260139 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #384 of 1618 🔗

No, he’s triggered some people who have a different opinion.

I disagree with him, by the way, but I also disagree with some of his responders.

260240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to John P, 2, #385 of 1618 🔗

and he has done the usual thing of making a statement as being true and then when questioned about it doesnt want to discuss – one of the “science is settled” brigade, which permeate both the anthropomorphic climate change argument and the covidian argument.
and that is the main point here. No argument is allowed against either standpoint otherwise you are a “denier”.
question just the safety of the new vaccine and you are an anti vaxxer.

But whilst it ok to make comparisons between the two areas and in particular how the MSM performs on both particularly the BBC an their “pseudo” science correspondents and the way the government is also now acting on both subjects I agree that here is the place to discuss the climate change question

259674 Bella Donna, 17, #386 of 1618 🔗

“The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.”

If the eyes are the windows to our souls the photo above of our own Mad Mullah certainly seems to confirm it. His eyes look dead.

259680 JustMe, replying to JustMe, 13, #387 of 1618 🔗

Tom Woods – a new hero to add to the list.
(He needs to move a copy of the vid to another platform before YouTube censors it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcm8Sc8f66o&t=63s

259691 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to JustMe, 10, #388 of 1618 🔗

100%. His presentation is first rate, and as good an introduction to corona scepticism as you’re likely to find. It’s a great video to send to potential converts.

259687 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 41, #389 of 1618 🔗

It is now crystal clear that Hancock, Gove, Johnson, Whitty, Vallance and SAGE are not going to change direction, will not listen to alternative views and are impervious to criticism and ridicule. They are too far invested into their version of the Schlieffen Plan and cannot/will not admit they are wrong.

All of us here and sceptical journalists newspapers and scientists are wasting our time trying to convince these people to change course.

The only relevant question now is how can we can get Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance out of office. This is the only way this madness will end.

259692 ▶▶ Julian, replying to flyingjohn, 25, #390 of 1618 🔗

I don’t think anyone here has believed those people could be persuaded to change course for a long time now

I think most of us are focusing on persuading the persuadable among the public and media and politics, hoping it will lead to the PM being ousted

259699 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 20, #391 of 1618 🔗

That’s the only way forward. When Piffle said in April, after he was ill, that lockdown had “saved half a million lives”, I knew he had lost touch with reality. This is true Downfall stuff.

259950 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to flyingjohn, 2, #392 of 1618 🔗

…and into a Court, preferably the one at The Hague.

260048 ▶▶ Ben, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #393 of 1618 🔗

Most politicians are reading from the same WEF script. Every country is reading from the WEF script. Removing a handful of politicians will make no difference, especially when Labour are worse than the Tories on lockdown

259701 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 14, #394 of 1618 🔗

Can anyone here confirm whether social distancing is a law in Wales or just a guideline or recommendation? I’m going to be holding a dance party with a live band on the beach today as part of my 70th birthday celebrations and would like to be crystal clear in case challenged.

259706 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Melangell, 4, #395 of 1618 🔗

I don’t know about Wales. It was never law in England, only guidance.

259713 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Julian, 1, #396 of 1618 🔗

Thanks Julian, possibly the same here in gwlag Wales then;

259711 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Melangell, 7, #397 of 1618 🔗

I have no idea about the law in Wales, but your post has made my heart sing, Melangell! Have a wonderful time and squeeze every bit of joy out of the occasion. Happiest birthday wishes too.

259726 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #398 of 1618 🔗

Thank you Charlie! You’re not 70 every day so I definitely plan to make the most of it!

259717 ▶▶ l835, replying to Melangell, 4, #399 of 1618 🔗

Happy birthday! Had a quick look at the “guidance” and it’s deliberately unclear. To be safe, I suggest spreading out in groups of 4, plenty of room on the beach, and a great day for it!

259724 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to l835, 4, #400 of 1618 🔗

Thank you 1835. Thing is we are doing circle dance. Most are not coronaphobes but understandably feel nervous about holding hands in the usual way because we are in a public place and who knows what snitches might be around. Some may use scarves to hold between the person on either side.

259728 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #402 of 1618 🔗

I’m classifying this as an outdoor programme which is within the rules as long as it’s not over 30 people here.

259734 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to l835, 3, #404 of 1618 🔗

See my response to Sam – it’s an outdoor programme which is allowed for up to 30 people.

259738 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Melangell, 3, #405 of 1618 🔗

Go for it! Have a great day!

259765 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Melangell, 2, #406 of 1618 🔗

You’re a brave soul, aren’t you? If you’re swarmed by the Drakenstasi it will be an occasion to remember. And a live band, too! I hope the brass section wears masks to prevent you-know-what.

259776 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Stuart, 7, #407 of 1618 🔗

It is classed as a musical event which is allowed if not over 30 people. The band is our local world music band of 5 members: 2 singers, one guitarist and singer, one drummer, one violinist. No masks never not nowhere nohow.

259785 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Melangell, 6, #408 of 1618 🔗

There are many stone circles throughout the British Isles said to have once been revellers dancing in a ring. Sometimes there is an outlier stone known as the ‘Fiddler’ or ‘Piper.’ Local legends tell how they were turned to stone for dancing on the Sabbath day. Hopefully the new Church Covidians will not resort to such measures today…but if a new stone circle appears on a certain beach in West Wales, you’ll all know what happened…

259949 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Melangell, #409 of 1618 🔗

Make absolutely certain that you video the local Heddlu filth if they turn up. The slightest error in procedure, sue the crap out of them.

You may get your outlay back!

260171 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Melangell, #410 of 1618 🔗

You can always blame it on the Druids.
Pob lwc!

259702 zacaway, 6, #411 of 1618 🔗

Update from The Coronavirus Act 2020 is Null and Void! one of the Judicial Review cases:

Much of [the Government’s] response is literary filibustering, including a lengthy chronology which actually adds to our case as it clearly exposes the extreme and unprecedented legislation that has been used as a weapon against the People.

We are now compiling a response to this attempt to frustrate justice.

Full details here:
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/

Nothing to get excited about unfortunately, but it is progressing slowly.

259703 Julian, replying to Julian, 13, #412 of 1618 🔗

Does anyone have a clear picture of the exact status of all the various vaccines in terms of trials completed, next steps to approval?

I think the government feel they are in the home straight now and we’ll be getting cycles of stricter then less strict lockdowns all the way up to when the vaccine is rolled out

After the vaccine has been rolled out, it’ll be some variant of Tier 1 forever: Rule of six, social distancing, masks, mass testing, track and trace & self isolation, quarantine after travel, with possibly mass spectator events and other mass gatherings allowed restricted to the vaccinated. I can see pubs being table service only forever, dancing never allowed again outside of organised events, and everything being pre-booked only. Vaccine or negative test or both required for most international travel.

One of the main purposes of the national and stricter lockdowns and tiers is to make Tier 1 seem normal so people are not disappointed when it turns out that the vaccine has not “solved” the “problem”.

259725 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, 5, #413 of 1618 🔗

mass testing

If you’re infected with a genetic engineered piece of RNA via a VACCINE there is no more point* is mass testing because every sheelemming will have a positive “test”.
*except once again to boost PROFITS!

“Vaccine or negative test”

AGAIN… If you’re infected via jab, forget the “negative” “test”!

The GOAL OF THE VACCINE is to infected everyone with that piece of RNA just do provide TRILLIONS OF PROFIT to the Big Pharma Complex . All those working for this fraud and scam will be very well compensated.

Just look at Durão Barroso.

259822 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Julian, 2, #414 of 1618 🔗

They are pushing the oxford/astrazeneca one which was suspended by the FDA in which a 24hr old braziliac doctor died two women in different states developed the same rare lingerie termine neurological condition and other series side effects.

260170 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo Dominich, #415 of 1618 🔗

Rare lingerie?
Vaccinate your knickers now, is it?

259712 Voz 0db, 5, #416 of 1618 🔗

There is No Asymptomatic Spread

The results make good reading for lockdown sceptics

And that’s ABOUT IT!

Covid Immunity is for the Long Haul

Another good news study.

And that’s ABOUT IT!

The mass volume of sheelemmings are only “informed” via MAIN SHIT MEDIA and pró-propaganda for OPERATION COVID social media platforms.

So no wonder…

Associate editor of The Spectator Toby Young attacks Facebook’s ‘incompetent’ censorship policy, after an independent fact checker classified an Oxford Professor’s research on face masks as ‘misleading.’

259715 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 17, #417 of 1618 🔗

A bit worried about this site when someone puts that Janet Daly Telegraph article on the top of ‘good reads’ today. Its very clear the message she is giving out that its all going to be worth it now the wonderful vaccines are here.
Taking experimental vaccines in great quantities is what this has all been about. My goodness how they have won, when people think that is a good outcome. For a virus that does not affect over 99% of us. And to those who think it will just be given to the ‘at risk’ groups, remember the UK has pre-ordered more than any other country in the world, more than the US, 50% more than the EU. It is very clear that 100% vaccination is the aim, and not with the conventional ones, but with the mrNA ones.

259782 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 7, #418 of 1618 🔗

While adverse health effects of any vaccine may be bad for some/many, the worst of it is that the vaccine and the return to the Tier 1-style New Normal will be seen as a victory for vaccines and a victory for the lockdowns, and the next time some virus appears or mutates we’re back to square one.

259800 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to peyrole, 11, #419 of 1618 🔗

IMMUNE SYSTEM
HAS NO
SIDE EFFECTS

260057 ▶▶ Ben, replying to peyrole, 1, #420 of 1618 🔗

It won’t be 100% vaccination. The super rich, civil servants, media figures and politicians will be exempt, or they’ll receive their own version. Sounds like a conspiracy theory, but after seeing an article about how international business people will be exempt from quarantine rules I think it’s plausible

259719 Binra, replying to Binra, 7, #421 of 1618 🔗

By what authority does this government make edict and expect obedience?

259723 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Binra, 7, #422 of 1618 🔗

They have no authority what they do have is mindless followers, control of what you use as money and violence.

259751 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Binra, #423 of 1618 🔗

The VOTE!
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259816 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #424 of 1618 🔗

Voting for someone to represent you in parliament does not grant them the authority to violate your liberty.

260127 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Saved To Death, #425 of 1618 🔗

And not having voted for someone representing you in parliament is 10x as infuriating.

260767 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Saved To Death, #426 of 1618 🔗

Yep… CLEARLY that’s working very well!

259721 Cecil B, 8, #427 of 1618 🔗

How is the special GCHQ unit set up at No 10 to track down the virus getting on?

Children shall we have a look through the round window and see

PNN ‘So living in a bungalow in SW you say’

GCHQW ‘Who let you in?’

PNN ‘ Nobody lets me in, I run the feckin place now’

GCHQW ‘ Some progress, a team followed it to a dead letter drop in the bandstand. The pick up was a short bald bloke picked up by another bald bloke in a car

PNN ‘And’

GCHQW ‘We managed to get one of the team to secrete himself in the glove box when they weren’t looking. The audio was not good but it appears the whole thing is being run by a bloke called Bernard Castle or a guy called Bernard who lives in a castle’

PNN ‘And’

GCHQW ‘ There are 1,700 Bernard Castles living in the UK, we are in the process of rounding them all up and beating seven bells out of them till we make some progress

PNN ‘ Does Priti know?’

GCHQ ‘Know? she’s bought a new baseball bat’

PNN ‘I’ll put the tea on’

259722 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #428 of 1618 🔗

Just learned of a latest infringement upon shoppers in the SE of Scotland. The badly provisioned for retail outlet counties of East and Mid Lothian are banned from traveling to and shopping at the retail park that is usually used by them which is just within the city of Edinburgh. Police are patroling the site. I wonder how this is law but there it is.

See Edinburghlive for the official propaganda line.

260062 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Basics, #429 of 1618 🔗

Planned destruction of the economy for the Great Reset and the police are complicit

259730 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #430 of 1618 🔗

Look at government response to the Daily Mail article outing the fact twisting. Unbelievable!

https://mobile.twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1330216324258275329

259742 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #431 of 1618 🔗

I guess we must start converting all beds into ICU beds! No matter the health condition every sheelemming from this day forward will be placed on an ICU bed…

“It’s an infected nail! Quickly ICU bed”!

This way when the next FAKE PANIC is deployed they will have plenty of beds…

259769 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #432 of 1618 🔗

Most of the replies are along the lines of ‘What parts of it are misleading, please elaborate?’. Not the most sensible thing they’ve posted!

259775 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #433 of 1618 🔗

Let’s hope going to war with the DM turns out to be akin to Napoleon invading Russia or the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour.

260053 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, #434 of 1618 🔗

Funny. DHSC get challenged by most

259740 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #435 of 1618 🔗

I have now sent the wording below to a whole heap of MPs , including my own, whether anyone will read or take any notice, I doubt it but I just felt I had to be able to say I did what I could. I tried to keep it all low key and reasonable in the hope that someone somewhere might read it and think it was from a reasonable person.

Dear  ??????????            22 November 2020

Lockdowns & Coronavirus Regulations

I am writing to urge you as an MP to consider very carefully before voting on any new proposals for Coronavirus restrictions in England when the current lock-down ends on December 2nd. The Coronavirus restrictions are mostly drafted as Statutory Instruments (SIs) made under the Public Health Act 1984, my understanding is that when Mrs Thatcher and her Government passed this act there was no thought of it being used to draft the sort of SIs that are being used to impose coronavirus restrictions.
The imposition of restrictions on personal liberties and freedoms in the name of Public Health is unprecedented in my lifetime and seems to run counter to the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Consequently a high bar of urgency and emergency needs to be passed to justify these draconian measures. Whereas the situation with coronavirus in the UK in spring 2020 was indeed alarming, to my mind, the current data and figures do not constitute an emergency situation. Indeed, the adverse effects of the lockdown itself on health, the economy are now as concerning as the virus itself.

SIs made under the Public Health Act have opening text along the lines of;
These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in England.

The Secretary of State considers that the requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to the threat.

I feel that all MPs need to ask themselves whether this wording is acceptable in the current circumstances or whether it is now time to move to a more usual non legal Public Health approach with this virus being dealt with by consensus, co-operation, medical support and guidance?

Yours Sincerely Mr Steve Martindale,

259745 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #436 of 1618 🔗

“??????????” aka scoundrel scum!

259787 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #437 of 1618 🔗

Very good. I hope it is read. I would have changed two words so that:-

Indeed, the adverse effects of the lockdown itself on health, the economy are now as concerning as the virus itself.

becomes:-

Indeed, the adverse effects of the lockdown itself on health, the economy are now more concerning than the virus itself.

But then you want to avoid sounding dogmatic so it is perhaps best that it has been sent as you’ve written it. Well done.

259741 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 19, #438 of 1618 🔗

https://www.rt.com/uk/507421-jeremy-hunt-freedom-pass/

Jeremy Hunt’s vision for the New Normal :jabbed, tagged and gagged.

NO!

259790 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to wendyk, 9, #439 of 1618 🔗

We need to have sight of his and his (Chinese) wife’s investment portfolio.

259809 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #440 of 1618 🔗

Very good point;agreed!

259743 reason, replying to reason, 19, #441 of 1618 🔗

Pub curfew to be removed after Dec 2nd. to be replaced by last orders at 10.00 and an hours drinking up time.

“It’s 10.00 so last orders, do you want anything?”

“Yeah, can I have four pints of John Smiths please”

Proof, if any were needed, that the plonkers making the rules have absolutely no grasp on reality.

259764 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to reason, 4, #442 of 1618 🔗

“Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic” comes to mind

259770 ▶▶ Julian, replying to reason, 21, #443 of 1618 🔗

It’s not that theu have no grasp on reality, but that they don’t care.

None of these rules are meant to be effective, or perfectly enforceable, or logical.

It’s all political theatre, made up to keep the fear and the pretence that “something must be done” and “the government is fighting the virus” going.

260166 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, #444 of 1618 🔗

Got it in one!

259780 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to reason, 5, #445 of 1618 🔗

These clowns probably don’t have friends or have ever been to a pub.

259815 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to reason, 1, #446 of 1618 🔗

Aahh, the return of the legendary ‘Ten o clock swill’. Happy days.

259869 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to reason, 3, #447 of 1618 🔗

Who would want one pint of JS never mind four?

260011 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to reason, #448 of 1618 🔗

must admit my experience of the 10pm was rather positive-on the stroke of 9.30 in many places bar staff would approach and instead of saying “finish up your drink” it would be “would you like another one before we shut?” no need to approach the bar as it was table service. The only down side was securing a table in the first place.

260077 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to reason, #449 of 1618 🔗

Just need to reverse the Sunday trading laws and it’ll be just like the good old days.

260883 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to reason, #450 of 1618 🔗

Just ask them WHY? Like Number Six did in The Prisoner ‘The General’ episode,

259749 c s, replying to c s, 7, #451 of 1618 🔗

Really had enough of living like this so have ended up booking a holiday abroad next month. Trouble is, we have to take one of the ridiculous PCR tests to travel – cannot stand the fact that the fate of our travel is in the hands of a totally unreliable test. Anyway, that aside, as it will have to be done privately rather than via the NHS, does anyone know of a private company offering tests with a low Ct number? I wonder if the private firms actually tell you how many cycles their tests run at?

259773 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to c s, 4, #452 of 1618 🔗

Any lab offering low CT tests will be swarmed and closed.

259933 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to c s, 3, #453 of 1618 🔗

Private tests have a vested interest in giving an honest answer (ie low cycles); public-sponsored tests have a vested interest in maintaining the fake narrative, so will be higher cycles.

260049 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to c s, 1, #454 of 1618 🔗

Rightangled.co

Been recommending them to my clients and in conversation with them, they said 35CT. No clients have had a positive test. Results within 24 hours of lab receiving them. Use HELLO10 for £10 discount.

260122 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Sarigan, #455 of 1618 🔗

Non-functioning URL.

260297 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to ConstantBees, #456 of 1618 🔗

did you do .co.uk ? surprisingly it is just rightangled.co no uk !

260075 ▶▶ Ben, replying to c s, 2, #457 of 1618 🔗

You’re asking for a non-scam version of the scam-PCR test.. I saw a comment on Twitter a few months ago that said there is an expensive version of the PCR test available that always provides a negative result. That’s most likely the version that will be used by the rich for air travel. I don’t know if it’s true or not

259753 Tim Bidie, 9, #458 of 1618 🔗

Looking on the bright side, the supine compliance of so many, and so many that should know a great deal better, may very well ensure that this democratic socialist ‘big state’ government will be able to vaccinate the vast majority simply by pushing out the message through the state broadcaster.

The bozos, led by the bozo in chief, will get themselves vaccinated in such numbers that even the most bovinely intransigent member of sage (clearly at the head of the vaccine queue ‘pour encourager les autres’) will be satisfied.

259762 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 20, #459 of 1618 🔗

So if there is no asymptomatic spread then surely that’s another good reason to bin the masks. The sheep were led to believe that the whole point of masks was to protect granny from this deadly virus you didn’t even know you had.

259819 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #460 of 1618 🔗

A pretty good reason to bin everything!!

259838 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to stefarm, 5, #461 of 1618 🔗

Its a shame we didnt need a good reason to destroy everything.

259978 ▶▶ alw, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #462 of 1618 🔗

Here in my part of North London very few masks now in evidence. Let’s hope this spreads nationwide.

260072 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #463 of 1618 🔗

The argument has switched from asymptomatic to presymptomatic in light of this new evidence.

The ever moving goalposts to keep the dream alive.

260083 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #464 of 1618 🔗

Mystic Meg status.. That’s how desperate and corrupt things have become

260304 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Nobody2020, #465 of 1618 🔗

Based on the premise that you have got it … and if you haven’t got it you’re about to have it. so if you are not contagious now you will be tomorrow

259779 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #466 of 1618 🔗

This is a peer reviewed article published 19 th Nov in Frontiers Public Health. Rather wordy but the essential in this world investigating article. Lockdowns don’t work and no effect on mortality. (sorry if published here before)
 https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full Covid-19 Mortality: A Matter of Vulnerability Among Nations Facing Limited Margins of Adaptation “Covid-19 has prompted a wide range of responses from governments around the world, yet the contagion and mortality curves are very homologous among countries. This is reinforced by our findings regarding the lack of any association with the government’s actions taken during the pandemi c

259817 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to swedenborg, 5, #467 of 1618 🔗

CV-19 has nothing to do with what is going on.

259786 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 43, #468 of 1618 🔗

Catching up on what I’ve missed this week while out and about.

Here’s a few observations and generalisations from my travels though:

  • I tried the thing the son sent me with the skeleton motif but hated how tight it was round my throat so started using my motorbiking bandana I use to keep my neck warm – open faced helmet and a proper old-fashioned leather jacket with big V-opening at the top so need the wind protection without a covering across my face.
  • Decided that as I was just turning up, doing a drop or collection and leaving I wouldn’t be too bolshy. Different matter if I was staff and they were changing my working conditions then I’d kick up a stink and argue the HSE/risk assessment route.
  • Only once challenged for not wearing face covering making a delivery but as I was needing to see the yard team outside anyway ignored the moans.
  • High Streets everywhere and North Wales looks like something from the 19760/70s eastern Europe photos and movies, economically devastated and boarded up
  • North Wales especially even the people look worn out, down trodden and beaten; totally compliant most of them. Place empty.
  • People in England, apart from a minority of 60-70 year olds, are just going through the motions paying lip service to the idiocy, getting more angry and ignoring as much as they could and think the government and councils are arseholes who need strung up. Know something is wrong and all ti will need is for a few more MSM high-profile reports with the truth in it for it all to fall apart.
  • Roads busier in England than my wife thought they would be considering the news she watches says there is big compliance with the essential travel only so stay at home message
  • most avid mask believers are female 25-35 years old but without an original thought in their heads but can spout the phrases like a catechism. They would even wear them answering the door.
  • men doing manual jobs tend to go along with it all half-heartedly if their remember, know something is wrong but don’t know where to look or what questions to as and who to. Just get on with their work best they can and ignore as much company lunacy as they can get away with.
  • NHS workers are nearly all sceptics and only wear a mask in front of patients so that they don’t get grassed up. Hospitals were where I was told “just pull the bandana up loosely for the look of it in front of patients or they ill complain” more than once. As soon as we had to talk or go behind the scenes off they all came.
  • security guards on the gates are anal at giving out the wear a mask instructions to get you through the gate. Get to the delivery area and into the warehouse not a mask in sight.
  • civilian defence contractors are pretty religious about them when bosses are around.
  • squaddies wear masks etc if they remember or told to by an officer, rest of the time total sceptics and I never met one who was not on the verge of quitting one the stupidity of the top brass, the low wages they are supplementing by delivering for Amazon and the boredom,
  • mentioned the sceptics community as much as I could and where to go for more info
  • biggest problem is the MSM is working for/with TPTB and getting the facts across in the MSM that the majority of people get their news from is the biggest problem facing the sceptics and independent scientists – get this sorted out and the narrative will collapse very quickly

Will see what happens next week.

259801 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #469 of 1618 🔗

Excellent summary Mr Git.
Something to savour as I begin to wallow in my Laphroig induced Valhalla this Sunday morning.

One Step Beyond

259811 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #470 of 1618 🔗

I can add police masked up when bullying protesters but as soon as they are back in their vehicles off they come.
It’s almost as if they don’t really think the virus is a problem.

259834 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andy Riley, 5, #471 of 1618 🔗

Reminded me, only Police I saw all week:

  • sitting in a layby reading a newspaper hiding ups country lane
  • sitting in a loading any I needed to park up in to do a delivery. Spoke to this pair and asked them where the offie building was i needed to go to and for them to tell any traffic wardens or whatever they re called now that I was in the parking any in front of them as they were in “my spot”. neither wearing masks, neither bothered about social distancing talking to me and so on. Bored with it all.
260162 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andy Riley, #472 of 1618 🔗

Really?Surely not!
Obviously, being human is a problem, in public at least.

259865 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #473 of 1618 🔗

Great assessment, especially your last point re MSM.

259925 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #474 of 1618 🔗

Good work AG. You live not a million miles from me and I’ve seen similar things happening.

The number of “essential journeys” is increasing rapidly in our area. Roads are as busy as ever. Yesterday in B and Q there was a long line of people buying Christmas tree and decorations. Houses around us have already got their decorations up and the big queue for click and collect outside Argos tells me that people are determined to have a good and normal Christmas, whatever the government says. I’m starting to believe that it has already lost control of the situation. Good!

A community police officer lives nearby and is ignoring the rules about no one from outside of the household being allowed to socialise in private gardens.

Yesterday, following a letter in the local paper signed by my MP and the three other MPs from our area, I wrote to him to say how disappointed I was that they were parroting the party line and hadn’t done their “homework” on Covid. ( I used to teach one of the signatories many moons ago). I’m afraid I gave him a quick lesson in Maths. His letter said that there were double the number of people in our local hospitals with Covid compared with April. It didn’t state how many were hospitalised in April, be it 10 or 1000, in which case 20 would be an insignificant number but 2000 would not. Context and relativity are important.

I reminded him that he had admitted to us his knowledge about Covid was scanty, to say the least and that there were plenty of official statistics he could examine rather than just accepting the government line. I hoped that he would support his colleagues in the Covid Recovery Group who appear to be questioning the narrative now.

Our city is near the top of the naughty list for positive tests but this next week they are rolling out the new lateral flow tests so just as in Liverpool, I expect to see the numbers reducing sharply.

It was hard to get a copy of the Mail on Sunday this morning in order to read its rebuttal of the Department of Heath tweet yesterday. Let’s hope the article and graphs from yesterday have woken up a few more sheeple.

259794 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #475 of 1618 🔗

Just had a health scare. A mole that looked like all the melanoma photographs on the internet. Amazingly, I got a same-day (Sunday) appointment with one of the top dermatologists in Thailand and it’s fine. It’s a hyperpigmentation/bleeding under a scab from a mosquito bite. £30. I’m glad I didn’t have to trust the tender mercies of the NHS. (Although to be fair I don’t think there are nuclear-powered mosquitos in the UK to match the ones here.)

259824 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #476 of 1618 🔗

Pleased it got sorted. Will “mosquitos spread covid!” be the next scare?

259857 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to DRW, 9, #477 of 1618 🔗

First they came for the mink…

259796 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #478 of 1618 🔗

Now, back on topic. DM. “Boris to kill off 10 pm curfew.” By moving it to 11.

259810 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #479 of 1618 🔗

modern moron slaves don’t need many FREE TIME… Just enough TIME to SLAVE for the benefit and good lives of the SRF & Billionaires & jesters.

259818 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #480 of 1618 🔗

Miserable chocolate ration concession.

259797 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #481 of 1618 🔗

This just in from US ER docs meeting online. Even N-95 masks 50% fails to work after two days use.I think there are some mask fanatics in the public using them but doubt that they buy a new one every second day

259836 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to swedenborg, 7, #482 of 1618 🔗

Many N-95 (most?) have a valve for breathing out so the protecting Granny mantra fails there too. Not original thought but worth repeating.

259874 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #483 of 1618 🔗

See Mask Facts from the AAPS for a citable source that says that N95 masks do not filter exhaled air:

Problem: no source control. An N95 does not filter exhaled air passing through the exhaust/exhalation valve (for easier breathing and less moisture inside the mask).

260094 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 2, #484 of 1618 🔗

It says on the printed literature on the side of N95 mask boxes that they are not effective against coronaviruses.

259799 steph, replying to steph, 12, #485 of 1618 🔗

Does anyone know what happened to Biker? His contributions were somewhat robust but welcome. Haven’t heard from him for a while now.

259812 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steph, 11, #486 of 1618 🔗

He said something like “They won’t stop, we’re all doomed, none of us on here can change that, and I’m off”. Much missed.

259864 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #487 of 1618 🔗

“Gutted to have been censored, looks like it’s Visions Of China for me. Can’t be having that. Hopefully we’ll never meet. Adios Amigos”

259868 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to richmond, 2, #488 of 1618 🔗

Drama queen then?

260538 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Sam Vimes, #489 of 1618 🔗

Yes, he had a way with expletives..

259831 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steph, 2, #490 of 1618 🔗

Flounced.

259839 ▶▶ leggy, replying to steph, 4, #491 of 1618 🔗

He claimed he was being censored here. I miss his posts.

259855 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 2, #492 of 1618 🔗

I don’t remember him saying that but I guess I missed it.

Odd comment – I don’t think there is any censorship on here.

259860 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Julian, 2, #493 of 1618 🔗

Censored elsewhere. Here’s his last post .

259805 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 25, #494 of 1618 🔗

FACE?!

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260161 ▶▶ annie, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #495 of 1618 🔗

What amazing data. As a dedicated fact checker, well armoured with the necessary ignorance, intolerance and stupidity, I find it really, really impossible to believe that obliterating you face under a bit of rag, and impeding your breathing, doesn’t immediately stop Covvie in his tracks.
Shome mishtake shurely?

260765 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to annie, #496 of 1618 🔗

most likely!

259813 DRW, replying to DRW, 8, #497 of 1618 🔗

If we’re stuck with “Tier 1” forever I will be finished.

259820 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 18, #498 of 1618 🔗

I would be too, DRW. But nothing lasts forever and we’ve everything still to fight for. Try not to dwell on worst case scenarios too much.

259833 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to DRW, 12, #499 of 1618 🔗

Unless we bring these terrorists to justice we are all finished.

259844 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to DRW, 15, #500 of 1618 🔗

The best revenge is to live well; today, the best resistance is to live normally. And that might indeed get you into trouble, but lots of us on here are having a damned good go at it.

259823 calchas, replying to calchas, 14, #501 of 1618 🔗

From 2019

“A new study from the US suggests that social interaction should be considered an important factor for extending lifespan, on a par with other health and lifestyle factors, to the extent that low social interaction harms longevity as much as alcoholism and smoking, has more impact than lack of exercise, and is twice as harmful as obesity .

Researchers at Brigham Young University (BYU) in Provo, Utah, conducted a meta-analysis of published studies and found that having social ties with friends, family, neighbours and colleagues can improve our odds of survival by 50 per cent. You can read about their study online in a paper published in the July issue of PLoS Medicine .”

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/196056#1

260155 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, #502 of 1618 🔗

Lockdowns shorten lives.

261142 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #503 of 1618 🔗

That’s the idea.

259825 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 24, #504 of 1618 🔗

Just sent to the BMA:

With reference to your statement in a previous e-mail (below):

We appreciate that this is an area in which there is little high-quality empirical evidence. There is, for example, a lack of randomised control trials showing that mask wearing is effective (either indoors or outdoors).

I thought I would assist you in your research and supply you with the latest Randomised Control Trial recently conducted in Denmark (April to June 2020) which has been the biggest RCT on the wearing of masks to date in the world and is the most recent and which has finally been published after being refused by at least 3 recognised medical journals

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

Study conclusion: masks do NOT have any effect on the transmission rate of the covid-19 virus:

The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers

Also as the main reason given to the general public by never ending advertisements and public service announcements to justify the wearing of facecoverings was that it was a civic duty and it meant that they were “protecting granny” and “others” etc etc by not passing on the virus they did not know they had – asymptomatic transmission.

Here is a link to the latest published study on asymptomatic transmission of the virus:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

Study conclusion: Asymptomatic cases do NOT transmit the covid-19 virus:

All asymptomatic positive cases, repositive cases and their close contacts were isolated for at least 2 weeks until the results of nucleic acid testing were negative. None of detected positive cases or their close contacts became symptomatic or newly confirmed with COVID-19 during the isolation period.

Now you have some up to date science available that contradicts previous statements by the BMA council chair Dr Chaand Nagpaul I look forward with bated breath with the next briefing that says “we now have facts, we now have a RCT and data available and it is our recommendation that wholesale wearing of facecoverings of the population is wrong.”

See what they come up with this time.

259878 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Awkward Git, #505 of 1618 🔗

Answer to first question probably that conditions in the study were not sufficiently controlled, adherence was patchy and self-reported and study was under powered.

2nd question less easily dodged, unless they are willing to sling mud at China, which I doubt!

Well done for holding them to account AG. I wish I was half as productive as you in the name of the cause!

259882 ▶▶ JME, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #506 of 1618 🔗

Another great letter AG. Sadly I wouldn’t hold your breath- they’re all in it together. I sent an email to my local BMA representative over 4 weeks ago after receiving an email saying he thought we needed stricter mask enforcement & harsher lockdowns/ circuit breaks were needed- no reply to my request for any evidence he had to back up his statements.

260002 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JME, 2, #507 of 1618 🔗

Took me 4 months and 2 e-mails to get a reply from the main BMA office but as you ay, they have no evidence to support their stance and actually admitted it in writing hence my new follow-up.

259827 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 49, #508 of 1618 🔗

My next door neighbor was on the receiving end of my verbal shotgun yesterday, the fucker trying to tell me about the advantages of masks and distancing.Men did not give there lives on the Normandy beaches and the skys over Berlin to have wankers like him defile their sacrifice…

260041 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #509 of 1618 🔗

Well Done.

These people should rather hide behind their couches. There is no hope for them

260059 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Victoria, 1, #510 of 1618 🔗

You bet certainly won’t be receiving a Christmas card this year!

260267 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #511 of 1618 🔗

I have seen some covid related xmas cards in a local shop, disgusting. The worst, the one with lots of reindeer wearing blue masks, I did not realise for a while that they wear masks!

261143 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Silke David, #512 of 1618 🔗

Father Christmas will be wearing one in the near future. Bet on it.

259837 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #513 of 1618 🔗

Should our protests start up with umbrellas?

It would be a nice visual link to the repressive CCP policing in Hong Kong and is the smart move should it rain/be tinkled on by a water cannon.

259899 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #514 of 1618 🔗

There won’t be any water cannon used in this country. The Germans are having to severely rethink their use of these after an elderly man at a protest had his eyes blown out, blinding him. Literally.

259917 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to RichardJames, #515 of 1618 🔗

The dangers of water canon , The Independent, 2014-02-17, referring to an incident that occurred in 2010.

259997 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #516 of 1618 🔗

Yeah,10 years ago. Didn’t stop the police using them outside the bundestag this week.

260270 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, #517 of 1618 🔗

The cannons on Wednesday were on “mild rain” setting.

259929 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RichardJames, #518 of 1618 🔗

Wow

259840 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #519 of 1618 🔗

This from former CDC Director Tom Frieden in Project Fear and Mask
“For those getting tests before Thanksgiving: testing shouldn’t give you a false sense of security. It takes 2-14 days after exposure to become infectious. You can test negative in the morning and be highly infectious in the afternoon
And then we have the Public Health Moron Jeremy Hunt wanting mass testing of all in the UK before April and then the vaccine by miracle will stop the pandemic. And how on earth can we think there is no transmission after all are testing daily? See above, Mr Hunt, from your fellow lunatic. And wouldn’t such zero covid nonsense require a NZ tactics for UK? Finally there are those in project fear that we still should be wearing masks,SD after the vaccination. Masks are even more effective than vaccine according to CDC director Redfield. I think the vaccine fanatics, mask fanatics, testing fanatics and lockdown fanatics are getting more confused by the day.

259843 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 12, #520 of 1618 🔗

Who cares about being infectious or transmission or testing positive if we feel healthy? If we are healthy?

‘We are testing healthy people and declaring them unwell’

Scrap the PCR test

259853 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to swedenborg, 2, #521 of 1618 🔗

I’m guessing that their goal is simply to own the current day’s news cycle.

It doesn’t matter if yesterday’s message contradicts today’s because the general public is too short-sighted to detect the inconsistency.

259846 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 2, #522 of 1618 🔗

If you were in the business of manufacturing patent medicines and had the first could bankrupt the company and would be a new product, like a derivative of aspirin but sufficiently different (as a totally new ingredient had been developed and was a key component) to need a new approval. Would you then go ahead and make 20 million packs, have them labelled and boxed and ready to deliver. Then, as soon as the approval was given, even though it was completely new and it was not unreasonable to expect that the approval might not be given. Or would you hold on until approval was given, then commence production.
I would always imagine any company with shareholders would follow the second option, as the first option could bankrupt the company. Its just normal business practice.

259873 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Iansn, 2, #523 of 1618 🔗

1st option. Production costs tiny compared to the R&D on something of this scale. Getting in first is crucial financially in the long term. And it’s already been paid for, so no concern to shareholders.

259937 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Iansn, 1, #524 of 1618 🔗

Most have stolen all the money already. If they’re all thrown in the bin next year doesn’t matter, they’ve made serious wonga.

259847 Ben, replying to Ben, 13, #525 of 1618 🔗

‘Freedom Passes’ means we’re in jail

Who gave the power to the jailors? What crime did we commit?

https://twitter.com/dockaurG/status/1330318584397049856?s=20

259852 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 3, #526 of 1618 🔗

Good questions, will we get an answer. I’ll ask every time someone mentions their ‘freedom pass’.

259898 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Ben, 3, #527 of 1618 🔗

Guilty until proven innocent

260111 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Ben, 5, #528 of 1618 🔗

Too many sheeple complied. So they know they can get away with more and more. Why am I the only unmasked person in shops? Makes me sick to the core seeing all this dumb, unquestioning obedience.

259850 Steve Hayes, 19, #529 of 1618 🔗

I have found listening to government ministers addressing the issue of mandatory vaccination interesting, revealing and unsurprising. Whilst failing to rule it out (on obvious grounds such as rights or ethics), they have made plain that they intend to “win the argument”, that is to assert that the vaccine(s) is both safe and effective, and, indeed, necessary and beneficial. I find this interesting because as it stands it is impossible for any of them, or anyone else for that matter, to know that a COVID 19 vaccine is either safe or effective. This position illustrates with complete clarity that the government is not following the science, as they already know , without knowledge, that vaccination of the population is the right policy. People who know without having gone to the bother of finding out are dangerous.

259856 caravaggio57, replying to caravaggio57, 12, #530 of 1618 🔗

Our sainted Prime Minister and his acolytes are the worst and most dangerous kinds of liars. They believe that they are telling the ‘TRUTH’ and are firmly on the path to heaven, because that is what the signs on the path say. Unfortunately the signs were put there by Satan, and they are walking the wrong way along the path, and that direction goes straight to hell.

259891 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to caravaggio57, 4, #531 of 1618 🔗

This is the real danger of the God-replacement “The Science”.

Religion has its many faults, but it’s redeeming feature was always the allowance of doubt. It was honest about the need for faith and accepting that one could struggle with faith.

The Science does not allow doubt. It still relies largely on faith – in the particular conclusions you choose to believe in – but it does not countenance doubt in the minds of its believers, and so they are more fervent and more incapable of self-questioning.

Thee seems to be a basic animal need in humans to fetishise a belief system and follow ritual and rules. It’s not a feature of religion, it’s a feature of man. I’m starting to think religion was actually the best way to channel it in the first place.

259919 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #532 of 1618 🔗

I prefer to believe in God rather than SAGE!

259951 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #533 of 1618 🔗

Well, you know what sage is traditionally used for at Christmas, and that seems to be exactly what the government’s advisors have in mind for the entire population this year.

260151 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Old Bill, #534 of 1618 🔗

Stuff them.

259928 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jakehadlee, 3, #535 of 1618 🔗

There’s a line in the Tao Te Ching:

The farther you go the less you know.

It sums up what science actually is. It’s being comfortable with what you don’t know.

259904 ▶▶ Mark, replying to caravaggio57, 6, #536 of 1618 🔗

Precisely the point made by CS Lewis decades ago (and quoted here not long ago):

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
We have to some extent faced this for many decades, but it really has come to a head with this coronapanic.

261144 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to caravaggio57, #537 of 1618 🔗

Supply all of them with the latest GPSs. The sooner they reach hell the better for us.

259863 Ben, 6, #538 of 1618 🔗

The British Medical Journal speaks out. Unfortunately it’s too little, too late

https://twitter.com/bmj_latest/status/1328319107054379013?s=20

259866 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #539 of 1618 🔗

Re Yesterdays article in the DM

The Gov now replying to @DailyMailUK , desperate to try to keep the false narrative going now even the MSM have woken up to exactly what is happening.

You notice they don’t counter any of the FACTS printed, but merely repeat the same mantra “pandemic, follow rules”

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1330437728564031489

259901 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Victoria, 4, #540 of 1618 🔗

Let’s just look at that tweet again; surely it refers to itself? It introduces itself correctly by saying “This article is misleading”. That’s right, because the next sentence is a lie. The final sentence then says we can ‘bring down transmission rates’ and ‘get back to normality’, two things that cannot be done under current government policy. So, yes, ‘this article’ is misleading.

259872 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #541 of 1618 🔗

A week ago: mother’s next-door neighbour, elderly type 2 diabetic, “has tested positive for covid” and they’re self isolating, all doom and woe. (He doesn’t have any symptoms.)

Today, I asked how things are. “Oh, they tested him again and he’s negative.” He still doesn’t have any symptoms. He’s been released from self isolation.

People who instinctively trust authorities, like my mother, don’t yet join up the dots to reach the correct conclusion, but gradually, surely, the facts about this non-epidemic, this testdemic, must erode the official message in the public mind.

259895 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #542 of 1618 🔗

“released”…

259881 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 29, #543 of 1618 🔗

Nadine Dorries is unbelievable.

Dorries added that “we all need to be careful about how we talk about mental health… I caution everyone that we need to be careful about the language we use, such as ‘falling off a cliff edge’, or the ‘tsunami’ of mental health issues. According to the clinical lead at the NHS… there is no evidence to support any of that yet.”

But it’s fine to terrify the public by talking about a “deadly” virus, tipping points, spikes, surges, tsunamis, people dying in hospital car parks, CARNAGE, killing your granny and Aunt Betty at Christmas – because there’s loads of evidence to support that, right?

259910 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #544 of 1618 🔗

Wasn’t that long ago the phrase ‘falling off a cliff edge’ was thrown around on a daily basis by MPs attempting to block a WTO-exit Brexit. Some of us are still waiting for George Osborne’s emergency multi-billion pound budget!

259930 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #545 of 1618 🔗

She appears to have early onset dementia

259941 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 2, #546 of 1618 🔗

I think the onset began quite some time ago.

259956 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #547 of 1618 🔗

Nadine Dorriess is as thick as two short planks.

259964 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 2, #548 of 1618 🔗

Only two?

260150 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, #549 of 1618 🔗

And as cruel as Rudolf Hoess.

260032 ▶▶ John K, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #550 of 1618 🔗

Why didnt the WuFLu end this waste of skin’s existance. Fuck off Nadine, just please fuck off anywhere.

260123 ▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #551 of 1618 🔗

You forgot knife edges, upward spirals, running riots, swamped/crippled hospitals, major incidents…

259883 Nobody2020, 5, #552 of 1618 🔗

The vaccines with a 90%+ efficacy against the greatest threat to mankind ever remind me of the virus via USB drive that Will Smith used to destroy the Aliens in Independence Day.

259887 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #553 of 1618 🔗

I’ve just sneezed, do I need a test???

259892 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stefarm, 8, #554 of 1618 🔗

You do if you live in Telford & Wrekin

“We are now asking you to book a COVID-19 test as a precaution, if you are showing other symptoms, such as:

Headaches
Aches and pains
Feeling tired for no good reason
Sore throat
Runny nose
Sneezing
Tummy ache in children

They are calling these “precautionary symptoms”

259896 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #555 of 1618 🔗

Barring the last 1 I get at least one of the symptoms every day.

259913 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #556 of 1618 🔗

I usually have about 4 of those so do I need a test each day?Obviously they want to convince everyone to be tested!

259939 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #557 of 1618 🔗

as we said yesterday, as Telford is not the only council to urge this additional testing , is this a new scheme from the health stasi to get more people to test that dont need to test just so that they can find more false positives and attempt to show that the number of cases are still rising even though really they are falling??
I did email lockdown sceptics yesterday to suggest this is followed up and to highlight it to see who else has seen this happen locally

260232 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mjr, #558 of 1618 🔗

Can’t think what else it can be, mjr.

260279 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #559 of 1618 🔗

In Germany they urge you to NOT book a test if you have a runny nose as that for sure is not covid19.

260473 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, #560 of 1618 🔗

I’ve had Covid for twenty odd years then

260029 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to stefarm, 1, #561 of 1618 🔗

I think sneezing is one of the only things that is not a symptom.

260470 ▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 3, #562 of 1618 🔗

You just killed a thousand grannies in Outer Mongolia. A black mark goes on your Covid-Pass account

259890 Silke David, 7, #563 of 1618 🔗

Such a positive update. Only had time to scan to main headlines.
Almost read

Lockdown to end in tears.

But true.

259893 John Stone, 8, #564 of 1618 🔗

THE GREAT RESET – my letter to the Prime Minister last night (through the No 10 portal) asking him to clarify the government’s position on Klaus Schwab and the WEF. I coined the term “techno-Feudalism” to describe the new politics:

Subject: The Great Reset

Dear Prime Minister

What is the position of the government on the policies of the WEF, the politics of its director Klaus Schwab and the Great Reset?

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/klaus-schwab-nature-jobs-great-reset-podcast/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/great-reset-launch-prince-charles-guterres-georgieva-burrow/&nbsp ;

According to this WEF video “8 predictions for 2030” “You’ll own nothing, and you’ll be happy”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx3DhoLFO4s

As our wealth as a nation and as individuals has drained away in the present crisis, the WEF Utopian vision in which propertyless ordinary citizens are subject to a global super-wealthy technocratic class (techno-Feudalism?) is perturbing, anti-libertarian, and not something anyone voted for less than a year ago.

Can you please clarify the government’s position on this, which is causing widespread unhappiness and speculation?

259902 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 28, #565 of 1618 🔗

Important Announcement from the Rt Hon Boris Alexander Johnson PM. 10 Downing Street, London.

Dear Victims Voters,

As you are aware, protecting you from coronavirus has been at the forefront of government policy for nearly a year now, but our undoubted success in this cause has come at a high cost to the treasury. Therefore it is my duty to announce to you that in order to save money the NHS must now be rationalised. Accordingly the service will, from the 1st January 2021 be split into two separate services.

The Covid Health Service (CHS) will remain much as it does now, its primary goal will be to protect the interests of large pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders as well as protecting the country from any further pandemics which we may invent discover and preventing any reprisals against myself and other well intentioned politicians.

The second part of the Health Service – to be termed the BHS (nothing to do with the shop!) is the branch where most savings can be made. Firstly all GP’s will be re designated ‘vaccinators’ and their duty will now be to ensure that the whole population is vaccinated and revaccinated against any and all diseases which we declare to be a danger to the public. This will leave a gap in the primary level of health care, the doctors surgery, but this will be replaced with monkeys.

In a remarkable discussion I had recently with Sir David Attenborough, I learned that Chimpanzees have the ability to ‘smell’ disease instantly when encountering it. This ability is remarkably efficient and incredibly accurate.

So the next time you go into a surgery for a consultation, you will see a chimpanzee in a white coat behind a desk with 7 cards on it. As soon as you go in (you wont even need to sit down or explain any symptoms) the chimp will diagnose your disease and hold up one of the cards in front of him. They read:

1] You smoke
2] You drink
3] You eat too much
4] You don’t do exercise
5] You haven’t been vaccinated
6] You are too old.

The animal will then hold up card 7 which reads:

7] Goodbye

As you can see this process will take less than a minute and therefore we can accommodate many more consultations per day.

We have negotiated beneficial trade agreements with several Banana Republics in order to provide food for the animals.

The BHS or Blame Health Service as we are calling it will, I am sure, be a great success and serve us admirably for the future – a first step into the new world order!

NB No Chimpanzees were harmed in the setting up of this new and exciting service.

259981 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Old Bill, 2, #566 of 1618 🔗

I just love a bit of well crafted satire – it lifts my spirits!

260074 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Old Bill, 1, #567 of 1618 🔗

I might send this new development to my MP.

259907 Sceptic down south, replying to Sceptic down south, 2, #568 of 1618 🔗

That Wuhan study above doesn’t make any sense.

9,900K people screened, 9,865K had no prior diagnosis. That’s ~35K had Covid, and say 3K died? Which is an IFR of ~8-9%. And there are lots of other reports suggesting in any case that many more than 3K died in Wuhan.

Hence, unless I’ve missed something, that study simply doesn’t stack up?

259948 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Sceptic down south, 3, #569 of 1618 🔗

But why would you want to believe China is hiding deaths while at the same time holding that the West is overstating them? Applying Occam’s Razor the simplest explanation is that this just declined into endemic background as it has here and if you ain’t symptomatic you aint got anythin except a false pos tesr. Nothing to see here. You do not need to explain things if they aren’t real things. And that’s related to Hitchens’ Razor.

259960 ▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #570 of 1618 🔗

Indeed. I was less interested in China hiding deaths than in the implied IFR calculation from the data provided.

And I was mentioning it because people are looking at that study as evidence wrt lack of asymptomatic transmission. I can’t see how the basic numbers stack (only 35K having been infected, it’s too low?), and if they don’t, then how can one rely on any conclusions (asymptomatic for example) arrived at within it?

If I’ve got something obviously wrong, hopefully a good data person on here might tell me how?

259962 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sceptic down south, 1, #571 of 1618 🔗

It may depend on the pre filtering to get to those 9900. I’ve not read the study but that would be my first instinct.

259995 ▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Nobody2020, #572 of 1618 🔗

Pre-filtering: Not really sure there was, it was a mass test?

260058 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sceptic down south, #573 of 1618 🔗

Were they all chosen at random from the outset? Like I said I haven’t read the study but when the numbers don’t seem right you should look at how the numbers were generated.

260186 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Nobody2020, #574 of 1618 🔗

“Were they all chosen at random from the outset?”

No. As I understand it, they basically force tested (almost) everyone! No real filtering or choice process involved (in the statistical sense you are describing). This is China. Otherwise, yes, totally understand and agree with where you are coming from. Those that got missed won’t have been “selected”, it will more likely have been the sheer logistical impracticality (even for a communist state) of screening every individual in that time scale.

Here’s the extract… (From memory Wuhan is about 11m so it’s consistent.)

“There were 10,652,513 eligible people aged ≥6 years in Wuhan (94.1% of the total population). The nucleic acid screening was completed in 19 days (from May 14th, 2020 to Jun 1st, 2020), and tested a total of 9,899,828 persons from the 10,652,513 eligible people (participation rate, 92.9%). Of the 9899,828 participants, 9,865,404 had no previous diagnosis of COVID-19, and 34,424 were recovered COVID-19 patients.”

For me, that just doesn’t stack, once we know that circa 3K died (at least).

259968 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sceptic down south, #575 of 1618 🔗

I’m sure something won’t stack up. But they were testing for this study after people were dying in any great numbers (or were claimed to be) in Wuhan. Does the journal article tell us that 3k of the participants died? How could we infer anything about an IFR from this?

259991 ▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to Charlie Blue, #576 of 1618 🔗

It was a mass test (most of Wuhan) and we sort of know from all the reporting that ~3K officially died. That’s where I started from?

261145 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sceptic down south, #577 of 1618 🔗

Nothing stacks up except their pile of bullshit.

259927 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 1, #579 of 1618 🔗

It’s reminded me to watch that French film 🙂

259945 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to Ben, 2, #580 of 1618 🔗

Anybody can visit the WEF website to find out that Great Reset is not just a recovery plan and is a pre-existing policy not predicated on Covid. The BBC are incapable of being straight about anything. At least Schwab and the WEF are upfront, terrifying though their vision is.

261146 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John Stone, #581 of 1618 🔗

Don’t be terrified, satirize them. Laugh at them. They are cuckoo.

259954 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Ben, 1, #582 of 1618 🔗

The book “Fanny by Gaslight” is actually about sheeple right?

260146 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, #583 of 1618 🔗

It’s about sheeple’s bottoms.

260149 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #584 of 1618 🔗

Think I’ll give it a miss …

260168 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #585 of 1618 🔗

Does that sound like a really bad porn film, or do I just have a dirty mind?

261148 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nobody2020, #586 of 1618 🔗

gaslightinggilligan.com

259976 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ben, 4, #587 of 1618 🔗

I find that the fake fact checkers are a great way to understand what they don’t want us to know – the mistake they always make is to highlight it for us.

260113 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 2, #588 of 1618 🔗

I agree with much of what it says. The Great Reset is promoted by the WEF and Schwab. Yes, that is true.

And personally I dislike much of it.

But it is not true is to say that the covid pandemic was concocted deliberately by elected governments to usher this in.

Actually, if I’m being fair, it could be argued that way, which I suppose is why people are able to say it, but it strikes me as highly implausible.

I do however think that Schwab is taking advantage of the pandemic (for want of a better word) to promote his scheme, but no, I don’t think that goverments have secretly planned it all for Schwab.

260237 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, #589 of 1618 🔗

I agree, John.

260467 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 1, #590 of 1618 🔗

Schwab/the World Economic Forum said of Covid that it was a perfect window of opportunity

See the books he’s written about Covid

259915 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #591 of 1618 🔗

I hope you’re all enjoying your weekend? If you’re stuck for something to do, I’ve found a great game the whole family can play. The XPrize Pandemic AI game, allows you to act as a global leader and predict which draconian measures you can inflict on your already broken society.

https://www.cognizant.com/pandemic-response?cid=p573241762-0011

It’s hours of fun and highly addictive. Look what I made with just a few clicks of the mouse!!

260084 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to PoshPanic, #592 of 1618 🔗

Looks like someone begging for a denial-of-service attack. Way beyond my technical ability to do that, but still….

260109 ▶▶ DRW, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #593 of 1618 🔗

So that’s where they’re making the Graphs of Doom…

260527 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DRW, #594 of 1618 🔗

Exactly what I thought!

260191 ▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #595 of 1618 🔗

LOL. There are no confidence limits on the “without interventions” forecast…

259918 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #596 of 1618 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1120/1179352-robert-shortt/

A surprising dose of honesty from the State broadcaster RTE about the economic effects of lockdown on Ireland, even if the author blames it on COVID19 and not the lockdown policies.

260336 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #597 of 1618 🔗

The idea that the virus is the reason for you losing your income is completely warped. they really will be doubling down on that in the coming few months

259926 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 22, #598 of 1618 🔗

Progress

Every single online newspaper reports on protests as anti-lockdown rather than ‘conspiracy theorists gather’ etc

260065 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #599 of 1618 🔗

Yes, the Daily Mail is now getting attacked by a few commenters for being too anti-lockdown.

260100 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to ConstantBees, #600 of 1618 🔗

You’ll never get 100% support no matter what you say.

259931 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 13, #601 of 1618 🔗

In some ways I’m grateful to have an incompetent government at the helm. Every single one of their Covid measures has failed so far despite billions been thrown at them – track and trace system, operation moonshot etc. If this “freedom pass” concept is legitimate, I really struggle to see how Boris and his cronies will manage to organise themselves well enough to get testing in place twice a week for everyone, and the appropriate certificates updated and issued…

259943 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Chloe, #602 of 1618 🔗

I suspect smart phones will have something to do with it.

259972 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to leggy, 3, #603 of 1618 🔗

What if you don’t have a smart phone.

259989 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Lili, #604 of 1618 🔗

Then life will be harder for you.

260098 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, 3, #605 of 1618 🔗

If it happens and you let it affect your life.

I hate defeatist comments like yours leggy. Hate them.

260018 ▶▶▶ Henry, replying to leggy, #606 of 1618 🔗

Yes, these are the telescreens!

260097 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, 4, #607 of 1618 🔗

Haven’t got one. And I’m not getting one.

260230 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to John P, 1, #608 of 1618 🔗

Second that.

260274 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, 1, #609 of 1618 🔗

I have one, and it stays at home until the nonsense is over.

260353 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nick Rose, #610 of 1618 🔗

Quite right.

259947 ▶▶ annie, replying to Chloe, 4, #611 of 1618 🔗

More competent, or at least even more tyrannical, governments have failed just as abjectly. Look at Spain. Or Hellbourne.

259953 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Chloe, 2, #612 of 1618 🔗

It’s almost as if the point is to spaff tax payers’ money at favoured companies and individuals…

259970 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Chloe, 2, #613 of 1618 🔗

hopefully the freedom pass can be faked in the same way that the track and trace app to enter hospitality was.

260277 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to crimsonpirate, #614 of 1618 🔗

You bet it can! lol

260019 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Chloe, 1, #615 of 1618 🔗

I guess we can recycle a few London freedom passes for the buses

260073 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Chloe, 1, #616 of 1618 🔗

I take the point – but the other take is that so many people are swallowing such massive incompetence.

260096 ▶▶ John P, replying to Chloe, #617 of 1618 🔗

Agree!

260454 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Chloe, #618 of 1618 🔗

It’s not incompetent unfortunately. It knows exactly what it’s doing

259932 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #619 of 1618 🔗

Good for these churches! I wish mine would do the same. Whoever thought going to church would be a crime.We live in a totalitarian regime,alas.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/22/let-us-disobey-churches-defy-lockdown-with-secret-meetings

259942 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #620 of 1618 🔗

Quite a positive story for once sadly ruined by the fact that they are wearing masks during services.

259955 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #621 of 1618 🔗

I’m about as irreligious as it gets – a ‘strong agnostic’ : i.e further along the spectrum from the semi-religious atheists who have a religious fixity in their certainty. I’m of that group that considers that the very the basis of the debate – belief about what can’t be known – is magical superstition, and not worth engaging with.

But the banning of church services is an offense against any principles of freedom that I know and respect. I would love to believe that Mr Toad et al. would be cast into the ‘lowest deeps’ there to lie for their sins, as Gerontius wished upon himself.

But the flagrant pusillanimity of establishment church leaders is even more chilling. After all, at the lowest level of satire,who, after all this, will ever take seriously their protestations of a better life beyond if they’re so keen to duck it?

259957 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 1, #622 of 1618 🔗

“Strong agnostic” – you strongly know you are ignorant?

259971 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #623 of 1618 🔗

What’s your problem, Steven, with my statement about the right to religious freedom? Covid belief? – You support the closure of churches and freedom?

260000 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, #624 of 1618 🔗

Where have I said anything contrary to human rights, including to right to religious belief? I have absolutely no idea how you get from anything I have said to accusing me of being a believer in COVID 19 and a supporter of the violation of our rights and liberties.

260013 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, #625 of 1618 🔗

Perhaps it was simply a misconception on my part occasioned by your missing the point by a mile.

Or perhaps it’s just that you’re a believer who is simply imprisoned by your particular belief? I’m simply trying to rationalize your irrational response.

260042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to RickH, 4, #626 of 1618 🔗

What’s irrational about it? People are entitled to hold any belief that they wish, even if YOU think it is irrational. And yes, that goes for the mask wearers as well, even though I think they are being irrational.

Signed, an atheist.

260067 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #627 of 1618 🔗

See above. I do wish people would read what’s written rather than imagined text. It’s not that difficult.

260092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 1, #628 of 1618 🔗

You mean, Rick, that you do wish people would agree with you!

260359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, #629 of 1618 🔗

No, John, not at all (although they would be better for it 🙂 ).

I just wish for them to understand what I am, or am not saying.

260046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 1, #630 of 1618 🔗

What irrational belief have I expressed?

260064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #631 of 1618 🔗

I said that your response was irrational (and misses any point). The nature of your belief is irrelevant – which is the nature of my original comment

260085 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 1, #632 of 1618 🔗

There was nothing irrational about my response. You labelled yourself “strongly agnostic” – I was puzzled by the label, as taking the words to mean what they denote, you were asserting that you are certain that you are ignorant. I put a question mark at the end of my comment because I doubted that that was what you meant. The notion that it is irrational to be puzzled when someone uses words in a self defeating, contradictory manner strikes me as even more misuse of the language.

By the way, if you think the views of others are irrelevant, I suspect communication with others is probably not for you.

260138 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #633 of 1618 🔗

Socrates based his claim to wisdom on the fact that unlike other philosophers, he at least knew that he knew nothing. It’s a good place to start.

260207 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to annie, 1, #634 of 1618 🔗

Socrates was in favour of despotism and his claim to ignorance was rhetorical device designed to hide is vanity and enable him to ridicule those he disagreed with – ie, those in favour of democracy.

260357 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, #635 of 1618 🔗

I think I see your misunderstanding. ‘Agnostic’ is often taken to mean ‘fence-sitting’ – or simple absence of firm belief.

I was being clear that this is not where I come from – I actually hold the view that knowledge of what is beyond knowing (gnosis) is a contradiction in terms, and that exercising the brain about it is a fruitless pursuit.

That’s not the same as ‘ignorance’, which is about not knowing the knowable.

All that I was doing was being clear about where I was coming from in condemning the banning of church services – it wasn’t about getting into philosophical debate.

260369 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, #636 of 1618 🔗

Agnosticism is not fence sitting.

Definition:
The view that the existence of any deity is unknown or unknowable.

You can still believe in God and be agnostic.

That is essentially Peter Hitchens’ view. He is a practising Christian and says that he believes in God. He also says that his belief is simply that and that he does not know for sure that there is a God.

Belief and knowledge are different things.

259999 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to RickH, 10, #637 of 1618 🔗

Our Catholic church or rather the priest has been an absolute disgrace. The church is only open for prayer for four hours a week, because they need someone there to make sure we obey the rules and sign in – couldn’t possibly just let us act like adults. They even had a zoom meeting on the church after covid. Sorry, are the scriptures about to be rewritten and the mass format. How does anything need to be changed. No doubt they will be ripping out the organ so we can’t sing. To think of past brave priests and nuns who worked in leper colonies, dangerous political environments, often at a cost to their lives, and the clergy now sit there hiding in the vestry. The paradox is that they preach the our life on earth is merely a journey and the afterlife is the purpose of our existence, yet they seem shit scared of dying. I start to wonder how much they really believe in what they preach.

260095 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nsklent, 1, #638 of 1618 🔗

Quite. And people used to be prepared to die for their religious beliefs. I’m not advocating for martyrdom, but the clergy could at least show some signs of resistance!

260141 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nsklent, 3, #639 of 1618 🔗

Your church is open four hours a week? Count your blessings. Most Anglican churches, in Wales at lest, have been locked, bolted, sealed and walled in ever since the bollox started. The greatest treason since that of Judas.

260388 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nsklent, 1, #640 of 1618 🔗

Yes.

That is what winds me up – the sheer hypocrisy and lack of conviction or bottle in a role that presupposes the opposite.

… and churches are just one example in the whole sad business. A whole load of Peters rushing into denial before the cock crows once – let alone three times.

The Party of which I’ve been a member for longer than I care to remember (and thus no stranger to quotidian disappointment in its adherents ) rushes to say ‘Me, too!!!’.

Democracy? ‘What’s that?’ Freedom? ‘Don’t be sentimental (just ‘mental’)’

Scottie !!!!!

260054 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to RickH, 4, #641 of 1618 🔗

‘Flagrant pusillanimity of establishment church leaders’, as you so eloquently put it, is only part of their sin, and not necessarily the worst part. I have represented to various clergymen whom I know that the clergy have shown a complete indifference to the sufferings that have been deliberately visited upon the people of this country. As an aside, I would point out that the true opposite of love is not hatred; it is indifference.
I have not heard ONE sermon or even part of one sermon condemning the practice of snitching on neighbours, which is a most reprehensible practice. Has Welby or any of his bench of bishops said anything about this? Not a squeak. He might like to consult Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

260142 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 2, #642 of 1618 🔗

And have any of them publicly condemned the tortures being inflicted on frail elderly people locked up in dreadful solitude in care homes?

260136 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 4, #643 of 1618 🔗

Speaking as a believer, I welcome your views. You are absolutely right about their protestations. To see a muzzled coward of a vicar proclaiming in one breath that Christ overcame death by dying for us, and in the next that you mustn’t hum a hymn tune because it ‘puts everybody at risk’, is utterly nauseating.

260038 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #644 of 1618 🔗

I am in touch with several ministers who are holding services. So far no hassle from authorities.

Steve and Dave discuss the more general failure of spiritual leadership here:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/L4bkbBBrxPu2

260045 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #645 of 1618 🔗

Thanks for posting that. I’ve just put the link on an American Christian friend’s FB. I’m an atheist myself, but I think it’s abhorrent to stop people from freely associating in any way they choose.

260131 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #646 of 1618 🔗

Thank you. One of the really heartwarming features of this site is that we are united in a love of freedom. And it does not matter what one wishes to be free for – it could be and is anything. I want the freedom to go back to the Bodleian to study the books there, not everyone’s cup of tea but that doesn’t matter here.
Thanks to you all.
As Solzhenitsyn said in ‘Gulag Archipelago’, ‘Why did we not resist more? Because we didn’t love freedom enough’. Can’t place the reference unfortunately.

260144 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to ConstantBees, #647 of 1618 🔗

That us the true spirit of democracy and freedom.

259944 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #648 of 1618 🔗

Dear lockdown sceptics (particularly Poppy and Wendy),

Please use your articulate voices to help those who cannot advocate for themselves. We are in a mental health pandemic brought on by the UK government. When a 15-year-old boy takes an overdose and is hospitalised and given no ongoing support, we are failing our youth.

Please write to the minister for mental health
dorriesn@parliament.uk

Explain ALL your experiences. Include the experiences of people you know.

This is of grave constitutional importance, so please also write to Baroness Taylor who heads the House of Lords select committee:
taylora@parliament.uk

And copy in your MP.

Encourage anyone who feels their mental health has been affected by this to take action.

Keep writing.

We MUST END THIS MENTAL HEALTH PANDEMIC!

259959 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #650 of 1618 🔗

“Tomorrow’s [today’s] Sunday Telegraph reports that people will be given ´Freedom Passes’ in 2021 but only if they have two negative ´Coronavirus tests’ a week! Also see the bit about passports. As the ´conspiracy theorists’ predicted our ability to go anywhere will be severely curtailed.”

Picture of telegraph page on link here:

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1330287230473166849?s=20


Retail parks around Edinburgh have been assigned access only from certain counties, police patrolling to enforce the situation.

The scotnatz thugs standing with banners at the England/Scotland border saying fuck off home English get there wish granted by witchsturgeon who has closed the border “preventing English from crossing the border”. These are abhorrent times the little collaborators on local rags are wording the diktat as anti English.

259969 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Basics, 11, #651 of 1618 🔗

They can fuck right off. No way is this going to happen.

259990 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 3, #652 of 1618 🔗

It really doesn’t apply if you are already doing what you want.

259967 Borisbullshit, replying to Borisbullshit, 14, #653 of 1618 🔗

On Friday , utterly bored of terminal lockdown I decided to attempt to cross the Iron Curtain into Wales for a day out and hopefully a lunch dining out somewhere. It was quite a nice day with enjoyable colours on the drive out and I was half expecting to see barbed wire and searchlights and control towers as I crossed the border.

I live in Ironbridge in Shropshire and decided to drive over to Welshpool a few miles into Wales. I saw a couple of boarded up pubs on the drive which looked like they were never going to open their doors again which was depressing. But fortunately no border police so I approached the town in a state of hope.

The town was fairly lively and it was just nice to see cafes and shops and pubs etc now back in business. On the negative side though there were some distinctly unfriendly messages on some business premises eg 1 person only allowed in,’no mask no service’ etc. I really think that the assumption in neo classical economics that businesses are ‘profit maximisers’ really needs urgent revision. Do these businesses care about having customers or are they just running it as a retirement hobby? I have always supported small businesses and generally dislike big business especially since they have all gone woke.
However some small businesses are really beyond the pale and deserve to go under with their hostile attitudes.

Looking along the high street I observed a great deal of mask compliance outside and zombie solo car drivers too. The mask wearers were mainly the old and the young. I noticed a couple of old people who are walking around really slowly and wobbly whilst clutching their mask with one hand. They looked absolutely terrified as though they thought they were about to drop dead that second by the ‘deadly virus’. I did feel sorry for them….they are from a generation who grew up to believe that the BBC was impartial and that the government was their friend. I have no such illusions on either count. Their behaviour is a result of the relentless pandemic porn of the BBC and other media for the last 8 months…..it really is despicable.

Anyway it was nice to escape lockdown for a bit and to get one up on shithouse Johnson. I had a lovely breakfast in a tearoom in the town centre which was reasonably relaxed about things. Later I went in a nice hotel in the town which served coffee and cakes. The hotel was more bedwetting (sorry!) though and wanted name and phone number and POSTCODE too! I noticed all the postcodes on their list were local and if I had given my TF postcode I am sure I would have been refused entry. Fortunately I was forearmed with an SY21 postcode which is the right one for the town so a bit of prior preparation paid off. I still can’t believe I had to do that. If anyone had said that to me last November I would have thought they had bats in the belfry.

I wonder what I will need to get into that hotel next November? A health passport ,a micro chip ,a hamza suit………?

260132 ▶▶ annie, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #654 of 1618 🔗

Welcome fo Wales, and sorry your met zombies. Get out of town centres and all is peace.And friendly greetings. And cyclists. And dog walkers. And general sanity.

260159 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 2, #655 of 1618 🔗

Aw thanks Annie I have been a sceptic since March 23…I think I even beat Peter Hitchens haha. I have always enjoyed your posts and you gave me the idea about taking a pair of scissors out! I have cut lots of tape and destroyed hundreds of notices haha.

I love Wales and western Shropshire too and always notice the wild parts are less zombie….it was the same in the Cotswolds last month too. If I remember you are Pembrokeshire…I had a lovely holiday in St Davids a few years ago and loved the cathedral and the cliff tops…just stunning.

I agree about dogs,bikes,walking and the open air…these are the things that keep me sane that they cant take away from me…..as well as piano playing seeing I cant go to any recitals any more!

260542 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to annie, 1, #656 of 1618 🔗

If only it were so everywhere, annie. I live in a Welsh village just three or so miles from the Wales/England border to the southwest of Chester. I was told the other day that the local garden centre was demanding to see proof of address before serving in the cafeteria as they were under instructions to refuse service to anyone from the English side of the border. Even local people were being refused if they couldn’t produce a driving licence or similar.

259973 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 1, #657 of 1618 🔗

When the 2nd wave started to appear at the end of summer in European countries it was so glaringly obvious that the ratio of deaths to cases in the second wave was much lower than in the first wave.I am sure that here (I had not discovered LS at that time) and elsewhere many remarked on it – except of course in that fortress barricaded against all reason and science aka 10 Downing street.
To see how different the 2nd wave is lets look at the data for the UK (taken from Worldometers) bearing in mind that the death statistics may be affected by the delay from infection to death.
I have considered the end of the 1st wave to be the minimum point between the 1st and 2nd wave for both cases and deaths ,
So:
1st wave cases , from 15/2/2020 to 14/7/2020 cumulative total: 291373
deaths : from 15/2/2020 to 21/8/2020 cumulative total: 41405
ratio = 0.14

2nd wave: cases from 14/7/2020 to 21/11/2020; cumulative total 1202010
deaths from 21/8/2020 to 21/11/2020 : cumulative total: 13143
ratio = 0.011

Although the second wave has not yet run its course there is an obvious difference in the apparent mortality . What explanation occurs to one? :

  1. the virus has “weakened ” ( whatever that means)
  2. There was a large cull of the most vulnerable during the first wave
  3. Many of the 1st wave deaths were wrongly attributed to Covid rather than seasonal respiratory problems, and the mortality rate in the 2nd wave is the more probable figure.
  4. The number of cases in the second wave are exaggerated by false positives
260003 ▶▶ leggy, replying to mikewaite, 10, #658 of 1618 🔗

There is no second wave. It’s entirely normal mortality with highly dubious testing applied. If we start seeing any higher than normal mortality, it will be lockdown victims.

260025 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to mikewaite, 9, #659 of 1618 🔗

There is no 2nd wave. Viruses don’t work like that. It’s only the 1st infection going through the population due to lockdown. Herd immunity is the only way to go by letting people get on with living, protect the vulnerable.

260050 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to smileymiley, 4, #660 of 1618 🔗

There is no 2nd wave.”

That’s the crucial fact. There is an absolutely unexceptional seasonal rise of mortality within the middle range of the last quarter of a century.

260119 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to RickH, 2, #661 of 1618 🔗

But Rick (and others with similar comments ), if you are correct then why is it not also obvious to the Govt . Why are they treating the second upsurge in cases and smaller increase in deaths as so serious that they have to,effectively, imprison us? Are they all really that malevolent ? or just plain stupid? Or is it money that is at the root of it all?

260254 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mikewaite, 1, #662 of 1618 🔗

They don’t want to be blamed for the deaths if they call it wrong. What they haven’t realised is that they’ve already called it wrong, and there are a lot of deaths to lay at their feet.

Tick, tock. The sands of time are running out. They definitely know that.

260351 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, #663 of 1618 🔗

Exactly. Once the 4000 deaths per day prediction was “leaked” out, they were always going to have to lock down, because no matter how many or how few deaths we ended up with they would be blamed for ignoring The Science and not “saving” those lives.

260344 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mikewaite, 3, #664 of 1618 🔗

Mike – it could be any of those explanations.

But what is plainly observable in the only reliable data that we have – all-cause mortality – is that there is now nothing (and I mean nothing ) unusual going on. The autumn season is following a predictable course, such that if no-one had said ‘Covid’ would evoke no comment at all.

I do agree with you that the rationale for the distortions are obviously not coming from an intelligent appraisal of the actual data.

After the Chuckle Brothers made their extravagant ‘exponential’ prediction, and presented various outrageous modelled scenarios, I’ve made my own prediction for the number of deaths pw by Week 50. I’ve used no complex model dependent on garbage variables and complicated algorithms – just intelligent analysis of trends and past history.

I’ll own up if they are closer than me to the actuality.

260164 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, 3, #665 of 1618 🔗

Yes thats the critical point…its a testdemic with no abnormal mortality compared with years going back to 1993. The BBC never uses any context and I find NO ‘joe normies’ are aware of this fact and don’t believe you when you tell them. They also refuse to look it up to check. They are happy in their fear and ignorance.

260105 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to smileymiley, 1, #666 of 1618 🔗

Exactly, it’s a second ripple.

260033 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mikewaite, #667 of 1618 🔗

Graham Hutchinson talks about viral attenuation (starting at 02m40s) as the first of his three points in his video from 2020-11-05.

The original posting to YouTube has been taken down (“by the owner”), but there is a copy on BrandNewTube .

260056 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to mikewaite, #668 of 1618 🔗

The Inproportion dashboard is excellent.

Stats such as % tests positive, difficult to find elsewhere. And updated daily.

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/dashboard/

Cheers

260128 ▶▶ annie, replying to mikewaite, 1, #669 of 1618 🔗
  1. It’s all lies anyway.
259977 Simon, replying to Simon, 12, #670 of 1618 🔗

This conservative backbench rebellion should really show some teeth and resign from the party. If there are enough of them then the government no longer has the political mandate to run the country. Maximum political damage.

259983 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Simon, 5, #671 of 1618 🔗

But at maximum personal cost to these career willnae works.

259986 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to jb12, 2, #672 of 1618 🔗

A lot of these rebels must realise that their carrers may well be finished anyway

260080 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Simon, #673 of 1618 🔗

How so?

260107 ▶▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to John P, 2, #674 of 1618 🔗

They may have lost a lot of their traditional and new found support. Those of us that have been damaged will not vote for thm again.

260130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Simon, 2, #675 of 1618 🔗

I’m not so sure that they will ultimately be losing support. They are the only people I would vote for at the moment. I think there may be more people opposing lockdowns than you think.

260183 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, #676 of 1618 🔗

Rather than just downvoting me for my opinion (whoever did that) why not explain why you disagree? It’s only my opinion – it’s not a religious belief.

260024 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to jb12, #677 of 1618 🔗

And we get Starmer by default?

259992 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Simon, 8, #678 of 1618 🔗

A far more astute move would be for them to send Graham Brady (1922 Committee) letters of no confidence, or just to let Downing Street know they are considering doing so.

260006 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #679 of 1618 🔗

Yes, that would be nice. As the rebellion grown in numbers I hope they start to use more political power.

260101 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #680 of 1618 🔗

I worry that getting rid of Johnson, (replacing him with Sunak for instance) will let the party off the hook. It will keep senior ministers in power who did nothing about the carnage and destruction this government has caused. It will help avoid scrutiny, because future inquiries will carefully stage managed to get the answer that best aids the party (like the HS2 review was in my opinion).

I think whilst their are honourable members, the party has no heart, takes its support for granted, tells people they are the only way to keep Labour our of power. I think they need to be absolutely smashed so something vauguely conservative can emerge from the ashes.
I would like to see MPs resigning the whip and forcing this government to answer for every policy decision they make and have made, until the next election

260108 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to James007, 2, #681 of 1618 🔗

Absolutely.Those rebels suddenly becoming independent would be quite a shock for the dictatorship (government).

260318 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Simon, #682 of 1618 🔗

Nope. They would pass into oblivion, and the caravan would move on.

260004 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Simon, 7, #683 of 1618 🔗

Just listened to the Steve Baker interview. If he’s the most robust leadership that sceptics have in parliament then we’re fecked.

260082 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #684 of 1618 🔗

I don’t think he is, but I agree, he is a weasel. Jeremy Hunt lite.

260037 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Simon, 2, #685 of 1618 🔗

Problem is, Simon, is that the so called opposition parties are even more in favour of lockdowns than the Tories.

260110 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #686 of 1618 🔗

There are new parties starting up. If the vote is spread around enough then with any luck the two party system is broken.

260125 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Simon, 1, #687 of 1618 🔗

There’s Farage’s Reform (Brexit) Party and Laurence Foxes Reclaim Party. Jonathan Castro who comments here also has a Conservative Freedom Party. Probably others too.

260305 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, #688 of 1618 🔗

So – they split the Tory vote. And then …..???

(I write as a long-time Labour supporter who sees the granting of a free pass to Starmer as just succeeding one disaster with another)

No – alternative parties at this juncture may have some purchase in pressurizing the main parties, but they don’t provide a solution that isn’t amenable to the old left/right definitions.

260079 ▶▶ John P, replying to Simon, #689 of 1618 🔗

Yes, but what happened to the remainer MPs who left their respective parties?

260114 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to John P, 1, #690 of 1618 🔗

They only went where their notting hill bubble told them the votes would go. They were spectaculartly worg. Bot look at what that same bubble are advocating, the green new deal….. I don’t know anyone that voted for this crap, mind you I don’t live in Notting Hill…

260133 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Simon, 2, #691 of 1618 🔗

They left their parties and lost their seats. Not a great move.

260300 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, #692 of 1618 🔗

It’s also not a great move to abandon an established party simply to hand it over to those that you oppose. That established party will always retain a large reservoir of votes.

It ain’t simple.

260250 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Simon, #693 of 1618 🔗

Even better if every single one of them also forces a by-election in their seat, such as Carswell when he defected to Ukip. Now that would need true principles.

259979 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #694 of 1618 🔗

Alarming to read that 42% support mandatory vaccination though this is a Guardian poll. On the other hand, an article about vaccines on the same website had many comments from people not happy about an untested new vacine.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/21/locked-down-christmas-preferred-over-new-covid-restrictions-in-january-poll-finds

259985 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #695 of 1618 🔗

That’s pretty good, think about the audience for the guardian and only 42% supporting it.

260157 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Simon, 2, #696 of 1618 🔗

Yeah I’m shocked I’d of thought 85% minimum support from Guardian readers

260339 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Simon, #697 of 1618 🔗

Yes, still the minority. Shocking!

260015 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #698 of 1618 🔗

you wait till they find they may not be able to pick and choose which vaccine to take

260076 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #699 of 1618 🔗

It is alarming, but if 42% support it then 58% presumably don’t support it.

260093 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #700 of 1618 🔗

article states “The public are split on whether coronavirus vaccinations should be mandatory, with 42% in support and 45% opposing. Two thirds (66%) of adults in the UK would take a vaccine if it became available and were recommended by the government for people like them”.
But does not show what the actual question was .
For example two alternative questions
Q would you support mandatory vaccination if this was shown to be totally safe and totally effective ?
Q would you support mandatory vaccination even if this had not been fully tested ?

see Sir Humphrey showing how it is done

260116 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to mjr, 1, #701 of 1618 🔗

Rubbish, it’s way less than that. Very few people think it’s right to mandate medical treatment. They know what comes next. Mandating this will be the Trojan horse.

260214 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Lili, #702 of 1618 🔗

yes – i know it is less than that.! That is the point i was making – you get the answer you want from the wording of the question and this report does not tell you how loaded the question was

260112 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #703 of 1618 🔗

If only 40% of Guardian readers want it to be mandatory you can guarantee that in the real world this will be around the 20% – 25% mark. It aint gona happen.

260137 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lili, 1, #704 of 1618 🔗

The problem is, the way these things usually work is that we get all worked up resisting an extreme, lunatic authoritarian policy, so that most of us are relieved when they “compromise” by making it “voluntary” – just requiring proof of vaccination to live a normal life.

260296 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 1, #705 of 1618 🔗

I agree with you about that tactic – it’s one of the commonest.

260400 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, #706 of 1618 🔗

By the time you’ve been around a few years as we have, you certainly get to see these tired old tactics lumbering up the hill long before they hit home.

259987 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 8, #707 of 1618 🔗

We popped in to Aldi yesterday and the place was packed, no social distancing, 80% maskers, staff wearing their nappies on their mouth’s and chins. everybody seemed happy (maybe the Christmas spirit), trollies packed. No lockdown here and things have near enough returned to normal where we live for the last 3 weeks.

You could say we live in an upside down world, you should watch “Stranger Things” on Netflix, a science fiction series where there is “The Upside Down”.

260135 ▶▶ John P, replying to cloud6, 1, #708 of 1618 🔗

I don’t follow your comment. You say 80% wearing masks in shops, but things have returned to normal?

Where is this? Wales?

259988 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #709 of 1618 🔗

Can Pfizer be trusted on vaccines?

From 2010:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/12/did-pfizer-bribe-its-way-out-of-criminal-charges-in-nigeria/68495/

Anything changed since then? Thought not.

260008 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #710 of 1618 🔗

Can Pfizer be trusted on vaccines?”

Yes, like all the other big pharma companies they can be trusted to maximise their profits without regard to safety concerns.

259993 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 24, #712 of 1618 🔗

I know that strictly speaking this is nothing to do with “lockdown”, but I wish that people who are “putting up” their low taste and tacky Christmas decorations earlier and earlier (8th of November) in the mistaken and misguided belief that it’s “cheering everybody up” would direct their efforts into joining us sceptics to put an end to these measures that King Herod would be proud of.

260028 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #713 of 1618 🔗

So tempted to clava up and rip em down round here in the dead of night. Hate it every year, more so this year.

260034 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sarigan, 3, #714 of 1618 🔗

I’m glad that I’m not on my own.

260178 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #715 of 1618 🔗

Someone else today agreed Christmas should be cancelled this year but that might actually wake the sheep up so it won’t happen.

260231 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to DRW, 1, #716 of 1618 🔗

Don’t worry it looks like New Year’s Eve is cancelled so that could have the same effect.

261150 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #717 of 1618 🔗

What would there be to celebrate?

260071 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Sarigan, 1, #718 of 1618 🔗

Thank you for your contribution Ebenezer.

260068 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #719 of 1618 🔗

It is a little odd and seems to be the domain of those who are a tad “eccentric”, not that there’s anything inherently wrong with that, I suppose.

I just thought that, as a bit of “light” relief (pardon the pun!) for you all, I’d post this story from one of our moronic rags down here on the saaaarf coast.

This article actually made me LOL and soil my monitor with half-chewed kebab. It wasn’t the text which was responsible, it was one of the photos. See if you can spot it!

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18876544.totton-man-lights-home-spread-christmas-spirit/

260167 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Matt The Cat, 1, #720 of 1618 🔗

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT, Matt.

260504 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Fingerache Philip., #721 of 1618 🔗

Cheers Phil. It’s difficult. I mean, I moved to the S Coast a long, long time ago… early 90s I think. Thought people were pretty “normal”. But when you get stuff like this: (more “light relief”, possibly!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJdOvrW_zKk
and closely followed by THIS:
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/18254118.christchurch-man-took-dead-sheep-deer-bedroom/
You tend to think…”What the hell is WRONG with these people”?!
To stay on topic, I’ve no doubt these nutters are following “government” policy, and wearing masks religiously. Whether it’s during their servicing of dead sheep or maintaining their plastic dummies.
What the hell have we become?!

260124 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #722 of 1618 🔗

Yes, murdering all the children in the hope of ensuring the right one gets murdered is a splendid example of the Precautionary Principle.

260337 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip., #723 of 1618 🔗

Let’s just hope we don’t get “Thank you NHS!” picked out in Christmas lights…

259994 Smileits1984, replying to Smileits1984, 3, #724 of 1618 🔗

I’ve just had FB ban my link to the Tom Woods video within minutes of posting. ‘False information’ again. This is becoming really dispiriting:-(

260001 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Smileits1984, 9, #725 of 1618 🔗

We need to inform people on the streets. There was no Facebook when the Berlin wall come down in 1989.

260036 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smileits1984, 1, #726 of 1618 🔗

Sorry to hear that but Tom Woods’s Covid Cult video is potent.

260152 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Smileits1984, 1, #727 of 1618 🔗

Don’t post it on FB I sent it via messenger to everyone I know, some won’t look at it but even if only a few watch it and change their view consider it job done

260021 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Victoria, 1, #729 of 1618 🔗

Maybe that is the plan : no clear winner or election overturned ,chaos and Marshall law .

https://alt-market.us/get-ready-for-chaos-regardless-of-who-ends-up-in-the-white-house/

261151 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to 2 pence, #730 of 1618 🔗

Martial Law.

260027 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, 2, #731 of 1618 🔗

Surely Trump would have leveraged this long ago if it were possible to do so. This was 2016.

260007 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #732 of 1618 🔗

Dear Lockdown
These ONS Facts give infinite context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3SX3M5UpE

What’s Going On? 🤦‍♂️ 3 MIND-BLOWING New FACTS MSM, BBC & Piers Won’t Tell You!
5,686 views•22 Nov 2020

Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON

260009 Victoria, 17, #733 of 1618 🔗

Last night, leading Tory MP Sir Iain Duncan Smith rebuked the Department of Health – telling it to get on with its job of looking after people’s health and stop criticising newspapers.

260017 Sarigan, 5, #734 of 1618 🔗

The Covid Physician’s true coronavirus timeline
“My experience is no one but the government and mainstream media are sharing apocalyptic Covid-19 death experiences with me”

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-covid-physicians-true-coronavirus-timeline/

260020 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 16, #735 of 1618 🔗

I’m fascinated now with having a Freedom Day, once a week, just to see what will happen.

On this day people behave as normal. No track and trace, masks, distancing, any of that stupid shit. Just see what happens.

Who will come out and who won’t.

You can eat an drink and do whatever you like just as normal.

They’ll never allow it because once you taste freedom…well you know what happens next

260070 ▶▶ John P, replying to mhcp, 5, #736 of 1618 🔗

I have always behaved as normal.

260160 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 5, #737 of 1618 🔗

You haven’t because you are not allowed to.I can’t work,I can’t play golf I cannot go to a restaurant.I cannot go into a pub.I could go on.

260163 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #738 of 1618 🔗

You misunderstand Jonathan. I’m not saying it’s okay.

I can work (I have worked from home for ten years now). I don’t play golf. I only eat out once or twice a year. I don’t go to pubs.

I still walk in the countryside as I used to. I still go to the shops – unmasked.

As far as I am able I am not allowing this shit to affect me. Clear?

260226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 5, #739 of 1618 🔗

My point is that it is impossible to act normally even if your life hasn’t been impacted that much.Even the act of going to the shops maskless is not normal.You are making a political act out of something that used to be a mundane task.
We need to translate the ignoring of petty restrictions into a political movement to sweep these crooks and charlatans out of office into prison.

260313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #740 of 1618 🔗

I want to go bellringing. I used to go to three practices a week, ring up to three times on a Sunday, ring for quite a few weddings every year, Remembrance Sunday, a few funerals, ringing outings, branch practices and socials. At the moment I do none. Because I am not allowed to and I can’t do it alone.

260221 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mhcp, 3, #741 of 1618 🔗

All we need is to set aside a few cities for the fearful to live in. They can isolate as long as they want. Services laid on (to be paid for at a future date), food to be supplied. They can rejoin society whenever they want and return to normal.

The rest of us live as normal (ie, as before March). I’m reasonably convinced the whole country will be back to normal within a month or two.

261153 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #742 of 1618 🔗

Why cities? Send them to the Kalahari or some other vacation paradise destination.

260023 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #743 of 1618 🔗
260069 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #744 of 1618 🔗

Very concerning. I don’t know how these chimps are going to make this work though.

260213 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, 3, #745 of 1618 🔗

Having to test absolutely everybody twice a week? 124 million tests a week = 18 million a day. Hmm.

260078 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #746 of 1618 🔗

I reckon this rates as compulsion under international law.

260090 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #747 of 1618 🔗

Evil B’s, how dare they. The theory might sound good, not sure about the practice, people being people and not robots

260091 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #748 of 1618 🔗

Nothing new here. This is all part of the plan. It will happen if enough sheep want it. And they will want jabbing every day for the rest of their very short lives.

260208 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #749 of 1618 🔗

This, according to the Times, has come from Jeremy Hunt. Not quite sure how this morphed into “civil servants are putting the finishing touches to the scheme” in the Mail. And the paragraph challenging people walking down the street “not wearing a mask” is bemusing, as nobody needs to wear a mask outdoors.

I suspect this is press fodder to “scare” people into taking the vaccine. We’ll see.

260026 ianric, 1, #750 of 1618 🔗

A main justification for the measures we see is that covid is highly infectious and we are all potentially walking biohazards and this applies to sick symptomatic and healthy asymptomatic people. If regulations were not in place we would be infecting each other. I have raised the issue on this website and other forums whether healthy asymptomatic people can spread covid and the consenus is that asymptomatic transmission doens’t occur. Has it been established how contagious sick symptomatic people with covid are. Does anyone here know anyone with covid and if you do did those around them fall ill with covid. If it can be proved covid is not that contagious, a justifiction for lockdown is removed.

260039 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #751 of 1618 🔗

Peter Hitchens’ blog nicely compares the present situation with the former DDR (East Germany). It would make an excellent theme for a satire if only it were not so obviously accurate.

260220 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Steve Hayes, #752 of 1618 🔗

Alarmist Downfall Spooftastic these eejits in power

260052 John K, #753 of 1618 🔗

Free Peckham Spring Water with every jab, lovely jubbly!

Attn admin, sorry please delete, didnt add jpeg….

260060 John K, 8, #754 of 1618 🔗

Free Peckham Spring Water with every jab, lovely jubbly!

260063 Jonny P, replying to Jonny P, 16, #755 of 1618 🔗

My mood on all of this flits between, “It’s almost a comedy how incompetent the government and its advisors are”, to, “I’m really struggling to cope with everything going on”, to, “I’m quite literally shaking with rage.” The reason I’m so angry today is because my focus seems to be on how more lives will be lost from the response to the virus than could have ever been lost to the virus itself. Now, I’m completely serious about this, I’ve read the page on the CPS website, and would really appreciate a lawyer responding… Given the level of incompetence, and the duty of care that the government has, do their actions not constitute a very good case for Gross Negligence Manslaughter?

260148 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Jonny P, 2, #756 of 1618 🔗

The evidence has already been compiled:

Between 2 March and 12 June this year 28,186 “excess deaths” were recorded in care homes in England, with over 18,500 care home residents confirmed to have died with COVID-19 during this period.’

‘“The appalling death toll was entirely avoidable – it is a scandal of monumental proportions.’

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-older-people-care-homes-abandoned-die-amid-government-failures-during-coronavirus

260269 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Jonny P, #757 of 1618 🔗

I asked the CPS what would need to happen for a case of GNM to be brought – all you actually need to do is to report it to your local police station and they will take it from there – offical CPS quote: “ The Police would normally be involved in investigating a case and would refer what they have found to the CPS for charging advice.”

make of that what you will…

260292 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Jonny P, 4, #758 of 1618 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich said in his latest video that he is in contact with lawyers in many countries including the UK. I am really hoping that there is (good) stuff that is going on behind the scenes as we speak. If anyone succeeds, I think it will be him, but it will take time. The PCR case in Portugal is a good start and I’m sure will be cited as evidence in more than one case.

261154 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonny P, #759 of 1618 🔗

You betcha it does!

260087 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 6, #760 of 1618 🔗

Quotable quotes please!

UsForThem are doing new leaflets especially aimed at pushing back on masking in schools.
And also general leaflets/summaries as well, crib sheets if you like, for campaigners against antisocial distancing and ridiculous ‘rules’ as well.

Ideally references would be in journals and peer reviewed etc, but that system having broken down, and because everything is moving so fast, strong quotes from known individuals (followed by the persons qualifications and experience) will have to do. A wide range of people, medical and other.

Here’s a good one, please suggest some more they can use. Thanks.

LORD SUMPTION: It’s morally wrong for government control freaks to tell us what to do at Christmas.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8973529/LORD-SUMPTION-morally-wrong-government-control-freaks-tell-Christmas.html

“The risks posed by Covid-19 and the impact of social isolation vary enormously from one person to the next.
The risks posed by the disease vary according to age, health, gender and perhaps ethnicity.
The impact of isolation varies with employment status, income, accommodation, family relations and way of life.
In all of these respects, only we know enough about our own circumstances to judge what is right for us and those around us.
Put simply, we can look after ourselves better than the Government, whose solutions are indiscriminate.”

……………………

More please !

260103 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Rosie, 5, #761 of 1618 🔗

From today’s main page:

Dr Maria Van Kerkhove: We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare and much of that is not published in the literature.

260115 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to leggy, #762 of 1618 🔗

Good one, thanks. Keep them coming 🙂

260145 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, 2, #763 of 1618 🔗

I’ve read somewhere recently that a detailed study said that there is no such thing as “asymptomatic” spread. I recall Mike Yeadon commenting on it.

260177 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 1, #764 of 1618 🔗

Yeadon’s comments here:

https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1330264390906605571

I haven’t read the article he links to. I trust his judgment.

260189 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to John P, 5, #765 of 1618 🔗

I had better isolate myself completely as I have asymptomatic Ebola, pneumonic plague, yellow fever, typhoid and poliomyelitis.

260225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to p02099003, 2, #766 of 1618 🔗

Wow, are you sure you’re alive? I’m sorry to have to tell you this but Witless and Unbalanced’s hit mob will be at your door within the hour and drag you off in your straight jacket never to be seen again. I’d check your pulse rate again if I were you!!!

260140 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Rosie, #767 of 1618 🔗

‘…. my thinking is this is actually not as severe a disease as is being suggested. The fatality rate is probably only 0.8%-1%. There’s a vast underreporting of cases in China. Compared to Sars and Mers we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of 8 to 10 times less deadly to Sars to Mers. So a correct comparison is not Sars or Mers but a severe cold. Basically this is a severe form of the cold.’

06 February 2020 Professor John Nicholls, Coronavirus Expert in China during the outbreak.

260195 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tim Bidie, #768 of 1618 🔗

Thanks. Any on the economy please, PCR testing and the very best on masks – ?

260224 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, #769 of 1618 🔗

‘Between 2 March and 12 June this year 28,186 “excess deaths” were recorded in care homes in England, with over 18,500 care home residents confirmed to have died with COVID-19 during this period.’
‘“The appalling death toll was entirely avoidable – it is a scandal of monumental proportions.’
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-older-people-care-homes-abandoned-die-amid-government-failures-during-coronavirus

260554 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Rosie, #770 of 1618 🔗

‘The unemployment rate is rising sharply and the employment rate is falling’

‘Early estimates for October 2020 suggest that there was a slight drop over the month in the number of payroll employees in the UK. Since March 2020, the number of payroll employees has fallen by 782,000

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26

260560 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Rosie, #771 of 1618 🔗

‘The implication is that PCR positives lack predictive power in terms of telling whether people will die in the future.

A possible explanation could be that the PCR positives simply measure the number of PCR tests taken on a given day, i.e. they might be somewhat proportional to the number of PCR taken on a given day, and positives might or might not be “infectious” positives.

Ultimately, this means PCR positives cannot be used to tell if the pandemic is advancing if for that we understand that deaths are to increase or decrease.’

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/

260565 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Rosie, #772 of 1618 🔗

‘By making mask-wearing recommendations and policies for the general public, or by expressly condoning the practice, governments have both ignored the scientific evidence and done the opposite of following the precautionary principle.

In an absence of knowledge, governments should not make policies that have a hypothetical potential to cause harm. The government has an onus barrier before it instigates a broad social-engineering intervention, or allows corporations to exploit fear-based sentiments.

Furthermore, individuals should know that there is no known benefit arising from wearing a mask in a viral respiratory illness epidemic, and that scientific studies have shown that any benefit must be residually small, compared to other and determinative factors.’

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

260572 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Rosie, #773 of 1618 🔗

‘Disruptions to health care during the pandemic have not been limited to hospital services. In addition to cancelled hospital treatment, more than one in ten individuals have been unable to access GP care during the survey period in spring 2020.

Worryingly, among those who needed to see or speak to their GP and tried to do so, individuals previously reporting worse overall health were twice as likely to be unsuccessful in their efforts to see a GP than those previously reporting excellent general health.

Access to community health and social care services has been even more severely affected, with three-quarters of individuals who required such services either unable to access them or deciding not to contact them in the first place.

The impact of this disruption has disproportionately fallen on those living in the most deprived areas, and those in worst health. These groups are likely either to struggle most to access alternative forms of care, or to forgo care entirely.’

https://ifs.org.uk/uploads/BN309-COVID-19-and-disruptions-to-the-health-and-social-care-of-older-people-in-England-1.pdf

260205 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, 2, #774 of 1618 🔗

Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 who state:
“SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

260228 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Rosie, 4, #775 of 1618 🔗

I see a face mask on a healthy young child – all day – restricting their oxygen intake – and I see child abuse

260252 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ben, #776 of 1618 🔗

Yes. UsForThem are starting a campaign. IDK if they are calling for more volunteers yet but they definitely need people with artistic skills and graphic design.

Separately, I have some sketches for illustrations, not quite cartoons but nearly so, and I *need* please a proper artist, perhaps someone who does illustrations for text books or for children —-please? Any volunteers please contact me
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

260249 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, 2, #777 of 1618 🔗

339 People have died of CV-19 since Feb (1500 die a day)
People over 80 have accounted for around 95% of Covid deaths
Around 8% of Covid deaths are marked as ‘suspected’
90% to 95% of Covid deaths had pre-existing conditions, a roughly a quarter of these will have been dementia or alzheimers.
On average a Covid-19 death will include 2.2 underlying conditions.
75% of those who present to ICU with Covid-19 are obese (BMI).

ICNARC – Reports

Deaths involving COVID-19, England and Wales – Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

There are treatments that could reduce all of this, many of these deaths are avoidable now and yet we wait on a vaccine. 70% of all pharma profits now come from vaccines. This will only go higher as the the entire industry has pivoted to creating around 50 vaccines for Covid.

260331 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #778 of 1618 🔗

The 70% number isn’t exactly clear. It’s in reference to a statement made by Dolores Cahill. However, I think it was a misstep in trying to say that Bill Gates made a statement on his return on investment for vaccines. Maybe don’t include that.

Bill Gates and the Return on Investment in Vaccinations (cnbc.com)

261156 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #779 of 1618 🔗

Phuck Pharma!

260582 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Rosie, #781 of 1618 🔗
260088 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 24, #783 of 1618 🔗

Now life is going to “be normal by Easter”. Just like it would be normal by Christmas then? Easter of what year??

Also the cheek of Sadiq Khan going on Twitter and yelling that he thinks its good that the curfew for hospitality is getting pushed back to 11 and he always wanted that to happen to save the businesses when the hypocrite forced London into tier 2 without justification and kept begging for more restrictions.

260117 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Ricky R, 31, #784 of 1618 🔗

Funny how some consider freedom passes issued on the basis of a 2x per week negative Covid test to be anything remotely close to normality.

Actually not funny at all – absolutely terrifying, wrong and downright evil – on every single level.

260121 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #785 of 1618 🔗

Hear, hear.

260156 ▶▶▶ silverbirch, replying to HelzBelz, 16, #786 of 1618 🔗

I have a freedom pass – it is my birth certificate!

260219 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #787 of 1618 🔗

They won’t happen. There are many reasons why. They will try alright, but they won’t win.

260223 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #788 of 1618 🔗

‘Freedom Pass’… A contradictory term. We don’t need a pass if we’re already free

260280 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Ben, #789 of 1618 🔗

As has been said before on this site, an opportunity for forgeries/black market. Great stuff – anyone here able to produce the required documentation? Mabel Cow? Sure there are lots of you who can rise to the challenge – I’ll pay you handsomely for it!

260321 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ricky R, 1, #790 of 1618 🔗

Originally it was going to be normal in 3 weeks, then 12 weeks, then by November…

260106 alw, replying to alw, 2, #791 of 1618 🔗
260251 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to alw, 6, #792 of 1618 🔗

Dr Yeadon says about MPs, ‘The very bad news is: they’re not going to do anything because they’ve no power. None of them can speak to Hancock or the PM.’ I quoted this in a letter I wrote to several MPs today. I pointed out that they need to take extreme action or become irrelevant.

260143 2 pence, 9, #794 of 1618 🔗

Should you rush to get a COVID-19 vaccination?
One specialist in Japan says he won’t

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20201120/p2a/00m/0na/008000c

260147 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 3, #795 of 1618 🔗

It is clear that we can simplify this completely now. We will have lockdowns until some kind of vaccine is deployed. That is the government path and will not change. False positives, Gompertz curves, excess deaths, Sweden, testing cycles, cancer deaths, suicides, T cells, asymptomatic transmission, etc. It’s all irrelevant. The question for us is a hard one. Do we actually want a vaccine now (even a placebo) just to get out of this hell?

260153 ▶▶ John P, replying to Achilles, 31, #796 of 1618 🔗

Nope. No vaccine thanks. Even if it is 100% safe. I don’t care, I’m not interested.

260154 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Achilles, 25, #797 of 1618 🔗

Never because the vaccine will lead to an immunity passport.The loss of freedoms will be enshrined in law.They will then start on the next stage of the plan.

260165 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -3, #798 of 1618 🔗

Do you not think that will happen anyway? I don’t know the answer to my question but the liberties have already been lost. How can we get back to a life worth living? It’s a tough one.

260173 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Achilles, 9, #799 of 1618 🔗

Loss of liberties is tied to the CV-Act. That goes, the rest of it goes.

260200 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #800 of 1618 🔗

Plus the 400-odd SIs on the 1984 Public Health act. And let’s not forget all the post-9/11 Anti-Terrorism legislation is still on the statue books.

260175 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 9, #801 of 1618 🔗

I really fear for the future now, we are in very dark times.

260348 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to DRW, 2, #802 of 1618 🔗

We are in dark times, but the future exists only in your imagination.

260190 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Achilles, 16, #803 of 1618 🔗

Its not a tough one. You said OK to 3 weeks to flatten just to get back to normal, now they are saying just one Christmas, then they’ll say until February, but Vaccines don’t mean no masks, to save one life remember.

Draw the line now.

260204 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Achilles, 12, #804 of 1618 🔗

Maybe if the vaccine would be the end but it is just the start if they succeed.Bill Gates and his 10 years of health is coming over the horizon.
The life they have planned won’t be worth living.The vaccine is the hill I die on.

260260 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #805 of 1618 🔗

Me too. For several reasons, but me too.

260346 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Achilles, 3, #806 of 1618 🔗

Life is always worth living.

And the right to live it the way you want is always worth defending.

260212 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #807 of 1618 🔗

Ahh in that case, I’m definitely resigned to being a prole!

260158 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Achilles, 15, #808 of 1618 🔗

No – it will be the gateway into hell – not the way out of it.

261158 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to godowneasy, #809 of 1618 🔗

It will be Gates way into Hell.

260169 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Achilles, 12, #810 of 1618 🔗

The vaccine is tied to endless vaccines (boosters) and immunity passports. Guaranteed profits for vested interests and control of us. If we get ill from the vaccine (which has been rushed) there’s nothing we can do as manufacturers have been awarded indemnity

There’s multiple versions of this video floating around the Internet. Chris Whitty explaining in May that Covid-19 is harmless to the vast majority.. Surreal, bizarre. I wish it was about a virus

https://youtu.be/adj8MCsZKlg

260194 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 8, #811 of 1618 🔗

70% of all pharmaceutical profits come from vaccines now. its the only game in town.

260262 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #812 of 1618 🔗

That’s interesting. Do you have a source?

260326 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #813 of 1618 🔗

It was mentioned on Dolores Cahill on the Richie Allen show, take that as about as far as I’ve gone. Though I’d say she could be referring the Bill Gate’s comment on his return on Investment for vaccines

260330 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #814 of 1618 🔗

For whatever it’s worth, this Yahoo Finance article from 2015 claims that vaccines do not represent a very large share of pharma revenue:

“One estimate puts the vaccine market now at $24 billion—huge, but a mere 2 to 3 percent of a trillion-dollar worldwide pharmaceutical industry.”

As far as I can tell, this estimate is based only drug pricing, not profitability.

260206 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ben, 17, #816 of 1618 🔗

Well Jamie, I don’t think people are going to rush to vaccine. I work in a petrol station two days a week and it seems to me there are many more people that are sceptics than not. Don’t get the truck driver’s started! I can’t print in decent terms their views on this shambles. Anyway, I think a large legal action will be set in motion. I don’t think it’s a very successful strategy myself there are many minefields to negotiate far too many serious ones in fact. It’s all propaganda again. And of course, Johnson, Wancock, Witty and Valance are set to be made multi-millionaires out of it. That needs heavily getting out there Daily Mail or Telegraph perhaps?

As the pharmaceutical industry and medical professions are now completely indemnified against prosecution, that’s good enough reason to refuse it in the first place.

260174 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Achilles, 13, #817 of 1618 🔗

No, the question is: exactly what do they want to inject us with?

They’re clearly not blunderers who see it as their way out: they could have got out in July if they hadn’t mandated masks , had scrapped PCR testing and had sacked Hancock and a senior person in PHE and the NHS for the care home disaster.

They really, really want to inject us with something.

260179 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, 12, #818 of 1618 🔗

The way out of the madness is for it to be recognised as madness. Either the government admitted they made mistakes (out of fear and panic) or they have to be held accountable for crimes against humanity. Anything short of these routes would mean that lockdowns, social distancing, face masks and all the rest remain a constant possibility.

260197 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #819 of 1618 🔗

Indeed. To surrender to lunacy is to make yourself a lunatic,

If we accept the madhouse logic of Whitty, Vallance and all the other nutters it means we will have to have lockdowns and masks in a bad flu year.

260306 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, #820 of 1618 🔗

That time has passed. There is not going to be a day where the government come out and say they got it wrong, when the populace suddenly decide to fight back, when Ferguson stops predicting doom, when the BBC stop with the propaganda. Some version of the CV act will remain in perpetuity. Sorry to tell you but we’ve lost the war. Right now we’re fighting for what kind of peace we can have.

260480 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, 3, #821 of 1618 🔗

Such defeatism in 1940 would have seen us sue for peace with Germany. Whilst pessimism of the intellect is useful, optimism of the will is essential.

260185 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Achilles, 13, #822 of 1618 🔗

Personally no. And I’ve no wish to “protect others” because that way lies madness (including permanent masking).

In terms of public health mass vaccination against run of the mill respiratory diseases is extremely dangerous. Vaccination doesn’t make old people’s lungs again and so you are creating opportunities for novel pathogens some of which might in some future true pandemic kill hundreds of millions of otherwise healthy people.

Then there is more general point about how we approach death. If old people can’t die of respiratory disease they will die of septicaemia or cancer or Alzheimer’s – far worse ways to go,

260202 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Achilles, 3, #823 of 1618 🔗

It won’t stop with vaccine rollout.

260222 ▶▶ R G, replying to Achilles, 9, #824 of 1618 🔗

I’m not taking a rushed vaccine unless there’s a level of compulsion that makes life impossible (denial of employment, no access to public transport etc.). I’m in my early 30s and simply prefer to take my chances with the bug, it’s as simple as that. I’m not interested in emotional blackmail about protecting the health of others when every other person I see is overweight or obese.

260242 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to R G, 9, #825 of 1618 🔗

People your age have a monstrous issue coming up and all your friends need to know about it….they are going to make life impossible without it – and the vaccine is dangerous because it’s untested – and because we don’t know what it’s for.
We know:
(a) it is for sucking money/assets from us to the already super-wealthy
(b) it is part of their control agenda
(c) It cannot be for the stated purpose because covid isn’t any more dangerous than much else in life
(d) is it for the intention of making us ill? We don’t know.

261160 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rosie, #826 of 1618 🔗

I was just reminded of an early Twilight Zone episode. Some aliens landed on Earth. They appeared to be very friendly and were invited to the U.N. One of them read from a book and extolled the virtues of peace, etc. Several people decided to go back with the aliens and just as they were entering the flying saucer someone ran up and shouted ‘don’t go, it’s a cookbook’!

260256 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to R G, 5, #827 of 1618 🔗

A vaccine cannot be demonstrated as ‘safe’ with a development period of under a year.

Anyone who denies that just hasn’t got a grip on the scientific basics, or the patchy record of Big Pharma in the realm of medicine safety.

If, in addition to the bleedin’ obvious, you add in :

  • the millions committed to the pre-buying of unknown (let alone untested) vaccines
  • the blatant conflicts of interest amongst government and its advisors
  • the weakening of the existing regulatory framework in order to allow uncommon haste in development
  • absolving producers from normal safety liability

… then you have a warehouse full of fishy smells.

And you’d accept a vaccine under those pre-conditions?

… now that would be a miraculous degree of belief …. and would explain the amount of effort being put into advertising the counter-reality narrative.

260379 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Achilles, 4, #828 of 1618 🔗

This is what I’m worried about. The magic vaccine will make it all OK, and make the lockdowns justifiable, therefore all the damage and pain and misery that has been caused by lockdowns will be totally swept under the carpet. The individuals who have done this will not be accountable.

260487 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Achilles, #829 of 1618 🔗

We know this is about agenda 2030. Hence we also know, that a vaccine isn’t going to let us off the hook. We are led to believe that it will of course, they have to keep hope alive in people. Once people lose hope, they have little else to lose.

260182 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 57, #830 of 1618 🔗

Well, I’m very optimistic today. Have just been out for a 3 mile walk in this glorious autumn sunshine, have poured myself a generous glass of sherry and have some apperitifs laid out and life affirming, brilliant Latin American music playing full blast so in full dance mode. I am not going to let the bastards grind me down. There is such a relentless tide of negativity and idiocy from SAGE, from Wancock from Johnson et al and too much blame on the british public (who have complied way to highly for my liking). They have run out of excuses now. There is no pandemic, there is no CV-19 crisis and there are no excess deaths, the NHS is running under capacity (they’ve never had it so good) yet here we are again, Professor Pantsdown and his cult once again influence Johnson.

Well, I’ve printed out a lot of leaflets from this site. I have three different routes I can walk to and from work. On each journey I intend to leaflet 15 houses and 15 cars a day. Nail some to lamposts, leave them on public transport and in other public places. Things are collapsing which is why they have to keep doubling down on restrictions, they know they are not necessary but they have to keep a lid on the truth and the dissenting opinions. There day is coming and I think that’s sooner than they think. I live in 55+ housing (used to be sheltered housing) and most people here refuse to wear face nappies in here as directed by our Housing Association, they are having relatives over, some have had three grand children stay over night regularly and so on and so forth.

As someone said on here, this is a fight to the death for our civil liberties, employment, future and nothing whatsoever to do with the virus. Well, I’m going to remain positive and optimistic because I will do what I can however small and at least can hold my head up high that I tried as can others on this site. Don’t get bogged down in the negativity it’s soul destroying and it’s designed to induce learned helplessnes (Seligman’s dogs). Well NO! Enough is enough. It’s time to spread some light and hope.

I suggest the organisers of the rally in London on 28th November make it a party atmospherics. Are there any African Caribbean steel bands, Irish folk bands, British rock bands out there who are brave enough to set up shop at the rally and play there music? Are there any British citizens out there who could add a taste of Christmas by making there own mulled wine, mulled cider, hot toddy’s whatever they are willing to set up a camping table to sell at a ridiculously cheap price? I’m sure there are. The police will then be seen to break up a protest that is operating peacefully and with protesters enjoying a party atmosphere. If there are any brave bands and people out there, can you contact this site?

Long live the Revolution.

260187 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jo Dominich -, 7, #831 of 1618 🔗

Thanks!

Put your suggestions to SaveOurRights and StandupX …. and I wonder who organises the Notting Hill Carnival … would be great to see lots of those participants out, party time as you say!

260238 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Rosie, 2, #832 of 1618 🔗

Hi Rosie, I’ll find their contact details and do so!

260243 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #833 of 1618 🔗

Brill – that’s the spirit 🙂

260253 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Rosie, 8, #834 of 1618 🔗

Unfortunately I remember the Notting Hill Carnival organisers fully supporting Lockdown and harsh restrictions and also appeared on TV wearing masks outside.

The main problem with any protests at the moments is police brutality. They were openly punching someone in the head whilst they were being held on the ground at Liverpool yesterday – there would be riots and media outrage if this happened at a BLM protest.

260199 ▶▶ DThom, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #835 of 1618 🔗

Where can I download leaflets?

260217 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DThom, 5, #836 of 1618 🔗

Here’s one. https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

Mabel Cow of this site did the image. I find it remarkably effective. I leave just a single one on a train/tram seat, sitting there as if a person, and people take photographs and see it sitting there, then grab it.

When handing them out I fold the image inside and it works well as people read the back then open it out.

260234 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to DThom, 2, #837 of 1618 🔗

I’ve downloaded the picture that was on here months back by an American Artist of Sanity, her son and the Credulous. Pictures do speak a thousand words. Have leafleted locally so far but am planning to do the same where my mum lives this coming week.

260293 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to KBuchanan, #838 of 1618 🔗

Sanity, Her Son and the Credulous ‘, by Jordan Henderson , 2020-08-18.

260209 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jo Dominich -, 18, #839 of 1618 🔗

Total respect to you!

I want to see SAGE members stand trial for crimes against humanity and the names of those who were pushed to suicide by lockdown read out – every single one

I think of a woman in Scotland who took her life ( #hernamewasyvonne ) and a poor woman who threw herself off a motorway bridge in Wales after becoming depressed by lockdown. I have seen the toll on mental health closer to home. Emma Kenny talks about the devastating effect lockdown has had on mental health

We are witnessing crimes against humanity

260264 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 1, #840 of 1618 🔗

AND the two women that set themselves on fire.

260210 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #841 of 1618 🔗

Excellent attitude! Go down fighting, go down smiling if victory eludes us.

260229 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #842 of 1618 🔗

Bloody well said!

260275 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #843 of 1618 🔗

You have cheered me up. Thanks! Best of luck with your endeavours.

260332 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #844 of 1618 🔗

Three Cheers for you!
Be positive. !earn the truth. Proclaim the truth. Take app tiin.

260188 Ben, replying to Ben, 9, #845 of 1618 🔗

Dr Hilary reiterating why it’s morally wrong to force vaccinations on patients against their will. And coercion invalidates consent

https://twitter.com/nickmyer/status/1330504587971858442?s=20

260201 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 10, #846 of 1618 🔗

He also said masks were pointless, then a few months later: “I’ve always said that we have been wearing masks”

These people don’t have anything behind the eyes remember

260218 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #847 of 1618 🔗

Yes!

260476 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #848 of 1618 🔗

I once saw him in the space of a few sentences say that people should supermarket shop infrequently, every ten days or so, and should not use the trolleys, just a basket. And he made these assertions as though he was telling the viewers what the lockdown measures entailed.

260216 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 10, #849 of 1618 🔗

Up his appearance fee and he’ll soon change his mind. Don’t trust him an inch.

260283 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Ben, 2, #850 of 1618 🔗

He will be expecting a brown envelope soon. Then He will change his mind “again”

260198 John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 25, #851 of 1618 🔗

Walked out of a Nursing shift yesterday.Fuck them let somebody else do their killing.Told Manager in a clear unambiguous monologue before burning rubber.

260233 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 1, #852 of 1618 🔗

DO tell us more, please. You’ve resigned? This site is for health workers, not sure if still active https://covileaks.co.uk/
and also UsForThem have an open letter for medics. IDK is still collecting signatures.

260241 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Rosie, 10, #853 of 1618 🔗

I work agency prior to that a long standing NHS Nurse and Manager.I will Jack it in once Vaccinations are mandatory if you want to work in those death camps.

260235 ▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 9, #854 of 1618 🔗

As for vaccination bye bye pin number oh and the RCN and NMC are complicit in this involuntary Euthanasia programme.Relatives need to really consider alternative care options before their beloved ones are culled following false positive results triggered by routine flu vaccinations.

260246 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 3, #855 of 1618 🔗

Have you found someone to report this to? If not covileaks is worth a try https://covileaks.co.uk/

How do you know that this vaccination is as dangerous as this, please?

260312 ▶▶▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Rosie, #856 of 1618 🔗

Pointless I feel like a feather in a storm.

260236 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #857 of 1618 🔗

symptomatics down almost 20% from peak

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

this is mainly due to herd immunity and not much to do with restrictions

260247 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, #858 of 1618 🔗

Attenuated back in late Spring.

260248 ▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 2, #859 of 1618 🔗

It will be sold as that though because herd immunity is only possible from vaccines, apparently. All Hail The Science (TM).

260255 Ben, 6, #860 of 1618 🔗

There is nothing good about this. Removal of freedom cannot be sugar coated

‘Chinese President Xi proposes *GLOBAL* QR code access system’

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1330496448941748224?s=20

260257 DRW, replying to DRW, 8, #861 of 1618 🔗

Went round the venues for my mum’s funeral this morning. Disappointed to see even they’ve got the bloody antisocial distancing stickers, bloody mask signs and T&T QR code. Not that my MSM believing family will have any problem with it.

260317 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DRW, 5, #862 of 1618 🔗

I always hope they “just” do it as the guidelines require them to do it or they think the public wants to see that.
But as I do not know if they just do it, or believe it, I stay away.
I find the signs very intimidating and do not want a confrontation. Although out today I was not challenged by any shopkeeper.
It is depressing, but I also understand that the shopkeepers are afraid of a backlash from the public or council if they do not display these signs.

260502 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 3, #863 of 1618 🔗

I’m sorry to hear this. I remember you mentioned the funeral a few days ago and were not sure if you would attend. It’s not an easy decision in the circumstances. My mother died earlier this year (nothing to do with the Rona) and I did not attend the service, partially because I live in the UK and the rest of the family is in the US, making it difficult, especially when I was starting up a new semester’s teaching (before the coming of the Rona and the end of normal life; we are now a Zoom University). There was going to be a second service for burial of the cremated remains in April or May – the ground in Minnesota is frozen in the winter – so I let that make the decision for me (easier, fewer people, teaching done, better weather, etc). Sadly I was not able to travel for that.

I think all you can do is think about whether you would come to regret not attending the service. Don’t let anyone else make the decision for you or judge you. I’ve had feelings of regret, but I could not have known that things would turn out the way they did, and I did manage to see my mother a couple of times late last year before she died, so that was what really mattered.

If you attend, don’t worry about the absurd theatre of stickers. Fuck ’em!

I’m also sorry to hear about your experiences at Zoom University. I’ve tried to make the experience good for my students, but it’s limited to my own courses and I suspect that a major factor for students now is not being able to socialise and do ‘normal’ things, as well as being incarcerated in student halls. All I can suggest is to get stuck in to the courses your are taking now, as well as your dissertation if you are doing one. Off the record, I know that students are breaking the anti-social rules frequently and who can blame them! I know what I would do….

260780 ▶▶ TJN, replying to DRW, #864 of 1618 🔗

Not easy even in normal times.

Keep on keeping on.

Best wishes,

TJN

260258 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #865 of 1618 🔗

Stress weakens the immune system – this is well known.

The govt and the BBC decided to scare us into lockdown.

I expect most deaths are due to that

260291 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, 1, #866 of 1618 🔗

Nah – Nadine Dorries says lockdown has made us all happier, so it can’t be that.

260501 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A. Contrarian, #867 of 1618 🔗

How does she work that one out? What planet is she on?

260713 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CGL, #868 of 1618 🔗

We all love working at home apparently. Shows how limited her knowledge of humanity really is.

260272 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #870 of 1618 🔗

6 months too late. should have demanded a cost/benefit analysis for lockdown 1.

260419 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to steve_w, #871 of 1618 🔗

Exactly

260281 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #872 of 1618 🔗

Harper is a mules front bottom it is NOT a deadly disease to many. Cupid stunt

260287 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #873 of 1618 🔗

Thing is, it will mean he might be listened to a bit more carefully because they can’t brand him a “denier”. And we don’t want all this cr*p put in place for a more “deadly” disease in the future, so the proportionality etc needs to be considered either way, deadly or not.

260265 Stephen, replying to Stephen, #875 of 1618 🔗

I have a question for the forum.

Clearly, there is / was a serious illness associated with the Covid symptoms. Excess deaths back in March were real. That is not deniable. Something clearly happened.

But, has anyone proved that the Covid 19 virus “causes” the illness. The existence of asymptomatic infections might simply mean that it does not cause an illness. The illness might be caused by something else?

Does anyone have any perspective on this?

I genuinely do not know but the more I think about this whole thing, the more I realise that the medical establishment’s world view is based far more on theory than on solid evidence.

260271 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Stephen, 7, #876 of 1618 🔗

I expect many of the excess deaths in march/april were covid related. But I expect many of them were from fear and panic and depression. There are 600,000 people in the country who are in their last year of life. Being isolated, surrounded by people in hazmat suits, things stuck up your nose, never seeing family. These will all kill the vulnerable

260341 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to steve_w, 2, #877 of 1618 🔗

And having heart attacks and not seeking immediate medical treatment.

260273 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Stephen, 7, #878 of 1618 🔗

All I know is scientists can be bought just as easily as politicians.

260322 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Eddy, 3, #879 of 1618 🔗

and for less money we are quite cheap

260343 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to 6097 Smith W, #880 of 1618 🔗

speak for yourself.

260342 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Eddy, 1, #881 of 1618 🔗

some scientists, not all.

260301 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Stephen, 4, #882 of 1618 🔗

Any common cold virus introduced into care homes will cause carnage. That is what happened. All kinds of viruses introduced into care homes when the government cleared hospital wards at 24 hours notice in March. Covid 19 is no more deadly in that context than over 160 other common cold viruses

260435 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #883 of 1618 🔗

You are right, it does make sense that people who never mix outside would have compromised immune systems anyway – use it or lose it. I do not deny the existence of a novel virus but just think that the reaction to it has been colossally disproportionate.

260659 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Fiona Walker, #884 of 1618 🔗

Edited

260665 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Fiona Walker, #885 of 1618 🔗

Completely agree.

The other common cold coronaviruses are also lethal to the elderly and infirm.

‘Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E can infect the upper respiratory tract of humans, causing mild or moderate disease. Severe symptoms like pneumonia are more commonly reported in children and patients with comorbidities, whereas in healthy adults, severe disease associated to these coronaviruses is rare.’

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26362

If a coronavirus expert located in China at the time of the outbreak (06 Feb) says it is a severe cold, I have not heard anyone with the same level of first hand experience say anything even in the slightest bit more convincing.

260315 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Stephen, 3, #886 of 1618 🔗

Ivor Cummins has mooted a theory that countries which saw fewer deaths in prior flu seasons may have built up what they euphemistically term “dry tinder”, that meant we had a build up of people who sadly would have passed away last year or the year before.

I believe Mike Yeadon has also stated that this theory may have some mileage.

260338 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Alan P, 1, #887 of 1618 🔗

Seems a reasonable hypothesis.

260466 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Stephen, 2, #888 of 1618 🔗

There were no excess deaths until after the lockdown measures were implemented.

260266 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 12, #889 of 1618 🔗

I was walking back from the offy a little while ago and I made the mistake of passing a woman in the street. Her face was uncovered, but as soon as she got to within twenty yards of me, she pulled a scarf over her face as if she thought I had BO or something. This is what we’re dealing with.

260290 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Andy C, 6, #890 of 1618 🔗

Met a woman this morning who was wheezing like a broken barrel organ and in between wheezes she was havin a drag on her “fake” (cigarette)
who said “of course, it’s the young ones who are to blame, not SD’ing,etc.
REALLY??

260436 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #891 of 1618 🔗

She’s to blame for not looking after her own health

260488 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, 2, #892 of 1618 🔗

Typical sheep/collaborator

260294 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Andy C, 18, #893 of 1618 🔗

I walked past some people doing a massive swerve earlier and smiled and said that they didn’t need to. “Oh yes we do” he said – I turned back and said “it’s no more dangerous than flu – just look at the facts!”.
Then 2 stupid maskers (cloth ones of course) walked past us, and I very loudly said “it’ll make you ill”.
I also came upon someone I used to work with. “haven’t seen you for a while CGL” said she. I said “no, don’t get out much these days”. “Still the vaccine should help shouldn’t it?” said stupid woman. “A vaccine takes 5-10 years to test properly, if it’s only taken 8 months it can’t have been tested enough. If they’ve been making it for 5-10 years then that’s not good either is it?”
Where are their brains???
I just can’t help myself now – I am so angry ALL the time. I think a heart attack or a stroke must be imminent now – blood pressure must be double what it should be.

260309 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to CGL, 17, #894 of 1618 🔗

Snap!
I gave a masked moron short shrift when he started to joke about having a use for his ears to hang his mask on.
Told him maybe he should try using what’s between them more…

260324 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alan P, 2, #895 of 1618 🔗

… if there us anything.

260335 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, 2, #896 of 1618 🔗

Plenty of fresh air, I would think.

260358 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to CGL, 5, #897 of 1618 🔗

I don’t normally harangue strangers, but a few days ago I saw a woman fully masked and hatted, only eyes and a bit of hair visible, out walking her dog in the open air. As I passed I said “You don’t need that mask outside!” She mumbled something inaudible but I walked on.

A pleasanter experience at the newsagent this morning. Despite his notice requiring masks (which may be aimed more at the local school pupils) he no longer wears one himself, anyway he’s behind a perspex screen. In front of me was an old geezer with one of those horrible tight-fitting white masks with a pointy bit for the nose. I assumed he was a scaredy-cat and stayed outside the shop as he chatted with the newsagent, When I came in (free faced of course) the newsagent greeted me cheerfully and apologised for the delay (which he didn’t need to do, I wasn’t in a hurry). I think he is more sceptical than he used to be.

260738 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Edward, #898 of 1618 🔗

If you can ever try to slip in quickly a remark about oxygen being good for the immune system, then that’d be good. As you speak, take a few good, exaggerated lungfuls….

260428 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to CGL, 3, #899 of 1618 🔗

They would put Covid on your death certificate if you were unlucky enough to succumb – and they may be right in a way😂. Hope you can find a way to chill (I find a drink helps).

260441 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CGL, 1, #900 of 1618 🔗

Red wine, garlic, exercise, sleep, self expression, green tea etc..

260495 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, #901 of 1618 🔗

Red wine always on the list!
Funnily enough we have slept pretty well throughout, which is odd considering the stress levels really.
Mr CGL likes green tea, but not for me unfortunately.
Exercise – did masses of walking in the summer – more than we ever would have. As I’m wfh full time, it’s much trickier now.
Thanks – will try harder.

260733 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to CGL, #902 of 1618 🔗

Just come here and rant to the rest of us. It helps! There are some seriously intellectually challenged people out here. My friend, who is PhD Psychology is in thrall to the figures. It’s difficult to speak to her – she’s not a ranter, but I feel she thinks WE’re all mad.

260299 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Andy C, 1, #903 of 1618 🔗

Yesterday, whilst out cycling I saw some pedestrians who wear wearing face masks (outside, no one else anywhere near by, and apparently from the same household). They stopped at a wall and petted a horse.

260383 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #904 of 1618 🔗

A couple of weeks ago, I was stopped in the street by a family of four, one of the teenaged kids was masked up. This kid then asked if he could say hello to my puppy and proceeded to fuss and stroke her. I didn’t have the heart to tell him that I sloppy kiss and cuddle her all the time, so she’s probably coated in any viruses that I might happen to have!

260461 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #905 of 1618 🔗

Dogs have repeatedly tested positive for the virus.

260577 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Hayes, #906 of 1618 🔗

Shhh!

260718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #907 of 1618 🔗

I remember a story about a tiger in the bronx zoo, New York testing positive for Covid 19. The tiger recovered, don’t know about the zoo keeper

260741 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #908 of 1618 🔗

My pineapple does too, I should guess. Never mind – we’re eating it tomorrow.

260823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Banjones, #909 of 1618 🔗

Use a long spoon.

260320 ▶▶ annie, replying to Andy C, 1, #910 of 1618 🔗

No, SHE was the one with BO. Nappies protect other people, don’t forget.

260327 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Andy C, #911 of 1618 🔗

The problem is she thinks you are dangerous. But the official message, which no-one understands, is that they should cover their mouth and nose to prevent them from passing it on.
I think if more people understood that, they would ditch this behaviour, as they know how small the likelihood is they have any transmittable virus in their body.

260753 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Silke David, #912 of 1618 🔗

If things were normal, and if we had a responsible government who were doing what they were voted in for, and who had the country’s well being at heart – then all this information would have been disseminated months ago – rather than only that which was guaranteed to produced a fearful, controllable, easily coerced herd of sheep (with a few sceptical stragglers).
Then perhaps, as you say, many might ditch this ridiculous behaviour.

260349 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Andy C, 1, #913 of 1618 🔗

got to be careful about correlation and causation. Maybe she’s worried about covid and you have BO? 😉

260268 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 5, #914 of 1618 🔗

Oh dear. Have just read the letter from the CRG to Boris and signed by Mark Harper and Steve Baker.

“There is no doubt that Covid is a deadly disease to many”

This lack of knowledge from MPs is astounding.

https://twitter.com/home

260282 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 6, #916 of 1618 🔗

Well I suppose it is, just like TB, cancer, heart disease and flu are deadly, if by deadly they mean it kills some people. It’s a stupid word to use, and unquantifiable. Almost everything is deadly by that token – food (choking), trousers (putting them on), stairs (falling down them), cars (crashing them), water (drowning) etc etc.

260295 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #917 of 1618 🔗

Water is a potential killer, just be drinking it, if done to excess: it lowers the sodium level. Everything, literally everything, presents a deadly hazard. It is impossible to avoid risk.

260316 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #918 of 1618 🔗

Every year, ROSPA catalogues dozens of accidents involving trousers, and quite a few involving tea cosies.

260323 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #919 of 1618 🔗

Tea cosies? Please explain.

260546 ▶▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to John P, 1, #920 of 1618 🔗

people pick up the pot by the cosy and the pots drops hot tea everywhere. or, cosies dropped on floor equals trip hazard. Don’t ask me how I know 😉

260506 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #921 of 1618 🔗

Living, itself, is eventually deadly for 100% of us one way or another. I’d like to have a life worth living until the inevitable happens, but that is becoming a more and more remote prospect as things stand. I will certainly refuse testing and vaccination even if that means my life choices are compromised.

260711 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #922 of 1618 🔗

Yes there is a 100% fatal sexually transmitted disease, it is called life

260518 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #923 of 1618 🔗

But also saying it is deadly to many, which it isn’t.Why didn’t they emphasise the demographics of the disease because then, that alone questions the rationale and proportionality of the response. Saying it kills many, offers a justification for their response. What is wrong with these MPs, can they not do some basic research.

260288 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Margaret, 12, #924 of 1618 🔗

There is no doubt that cancer is a deadly disease to many, yet in the name of saving lives by following the science, cancer treatments that could have saved many lives have been denied.

There is no doubt that putting old and vulnerable people under virtual house arrest is deadly to many, yet in the name of of saving lives by following the science this is exactly what has been done.

There is no doubt that there are many diseases that are deadly to many, but they have all be downgraded in the name of saving lives by following the science.

There is no doubt that the responses to the coronavirus have caused more harm than the virus ever could: and this was entirely predictable.

260687 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #925 of 1618 🔗

And – considering all these things- who can still be in any doubt that this is NOT about a fairly run-of-the-mill virus?
We are being cheated, coerced, manipulated and exploited. By the very people we appointed to protect our interests. How wrong we were.

260289 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 1, #926 of 1618 🔗

Sweet that he thinks the Rule of Six will still apply. Household mixing will be banned entirely.

260334 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to A. Contrarian, #927 of 1618 🔗

Link please.

260376 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John P, 1, #928 of 1618 🔗

Sorry, I should have specified mixing indoors, which is only allowed in Tier 1. I know it hasn’t been formally announced and is still being finalised, but from what I can work out Tier 1 will still exist after 3 Dec, but it sounds likely that most of us will be in Tier 2 or above, with the possible addition of a new Tier 4 as Whitty thinks even Tier 3 isn’t enough. And they are saying that the tiers will be “toughened up”, so household mixing is likely to be the first thing to go from Tier 1.

260391 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #929 of 1618 🔗

Thanks, my only social contacts are my parents atm, so I am sensitive about this issue.

260445 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, #930 of 1618 🔗

Same here, John. But I think they won’t get rid of the bubble thing for those of us who live alone.

260709 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, #931 of 1618 🔗

Yes, I think the bubbles would still continue. Sorry if I upset anyone. I find it awful to think about too.

260694 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, #932 of 1618 🔗

Is that the same Wittery who was (not) voted for overwhelmingly in the last election? So that he could rule our country with Madge Hancock as a sidekick? Along with all the (risibly named) ‘Sage’ members? And so on and so on and so forth?

260303 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, 1, #933 of 1618 🔗

Awful stuff. They basically want an economic analysis to justify the lockdown. They’ll get it and those figures can be boosted by all sorts of magic money tree forecasting and modelling.

They need to be shown evidence that Lockdown will cause less harm than the virus. So is the next lockdown or the massive damage already done in total?

Collateral Global

Everyone of those who signed the letter should be sent the above.

They are pathetic. They’ll get what they wish for and move on.

260434 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Margaret, #934 of 1618 🔗

I don’t trust Steve Baker

260573 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Margaret, #935 of 1618 🔗

But not as deadly as the government’s emergency measures.

260276 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #936 of 1618 🔗

I’m quite a way down the vaccine list. I think NHS workers will be near the top. Lets see how many want it. I suspect not that many

260285 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 7, #937 of 1618 🔗

The key is everyone should treat it as if they are top of the list. the first person who complains of coercion and requires support – legal, financial, political – needs to be a lightening rod for those who are against mandatory or coerced vacciniations. including health passports, QR vaccine codes, exclusions from public events, any and all of those.

260286 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to steve_w, 5, #938 of 1618 🔗

Hundreds of NHS staff form anti-vax group and label new Covid jabs ‘poison’
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/hundreds-nhs-staff-form-anti-23018562

260406 ▶▶ wendy, replying to steve_w, 4, #939 of 1618 🔗

Yes I know a fair few who don’t want it and are getting worried they will not be able to refuse.

260513 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to wendy, 4, #940 of 1618 🔗

If they all refuse on mass, then the hospital management is stuck. Can’t sack the entire staff of a hospital.

260468 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, #941 of 1618 🔗

Perhaps we should be allowed to donate our place in the queue to anyone in any lower group who wants it.

260494 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to steve_w, #942 of 1618 🔗

I’m in groups 2 and 8, so maybe I’ll have to refuse it twice…

260284 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 10, #943 of 1618 🔗

The government is clearly very advanced in their ‘freedom pass’ scam. It looks suspiciously like the ID2020 which has been worked on for years rebranded. No doubt it is the precursor to a social credits system. I really hope there is a co-ordinated fight back against this, there isn’t a chance this will be a temporary measure.

De La Rue in talks over Covid travel certificatesThe banknote printer is in the frame to produce biometric photos proving travellers are vaccinated
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/11/21/de-la-rue-talks-covid-travel-certificates/#comment

260443 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Darryl, 13, #944 of 1618 🔗

I am absolutely horrified by the idea of a ‘freedom pass’. It’s basically the introduction of a system of apartheid. The gullible will think ‘great, we can get back to normal’, while those who don’t want to get tested twice a week, or those who get a (probably false) positive will be excluded from normal life.

This is not a plan to get the country back to normal.

260465 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DJ Dod, 4, #945 of 1618 🔗

Well, obviously ‘they’ don’t actually WANT to get the country back to normal. That’d mean going back to the beginning and undoing all their ”good” work meant to set us up for a nice, effective programme of coercion and manipulation.
There’s probably plenty of stuff in the pipeline yet – even more unpalatable than an enforced vaccine.

260569 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #946 of 1618 🔗

Testing and vaccines are just a means to an end.

260568 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Darryl, 1, #947 of 1618 🔗

Essential information, thank you.

260298 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #948 of 1618 🔗

The priority list for vaccination is here

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination#fn:1

  1. older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers [footnote 1]
  2. all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers [footnote 1]
  3. all those 75 years of age and over
  4. all those 70 years of age and over
  5. all those 65 years of age and over
  6. high-risk adults under 65 years of age
  7. moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
  8. all those 60 years of age and over
  9. all those 55 years of age and over
  10. all those 50 years of age and over
  11. rest of the population (priority to be determined) [footnote 2]

interestingly, footnote 2

A risk-benefit assessment would likely be undertaken in advising on vaccination in group 11″

so a risk/benefit assessment for groups 11, but not groups 1-10. Seems a little cavalier!

I’m in group 10, so I get it with no risk/benefit assessment. Good luck with that!

260314 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to steve_w, 3, #949 of 1618 🔗

So, if Groups 1 to 5 start to die in large numbers post-vaccination will “Covid” appear on their death certificates?

260325 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Stuart, 7, #950 of 1618 🔗

Seems strange that anyone should consider injecting someone with anything without a risk-benefit assessment

You need a risk assessment to lift a box these days

260460 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Stuart, 1, #951 of 1618 🔗

You bet it will

260403 ▶▶ wendy, replying to steve_w, 5, #952 of 1618 🔗

I am in group 8, but I won’t be having it.

260567 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to wendy, #953 of 1618 🔗

I’m in 5. Neither will I.

260420 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to steve_w, #954 of 1618 🔗

Have they removed the non liability clause yet and if not when

260520 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to steve_w, #955 of 1618 🔗

Selfishly happy to be in Group 11.

260523 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Now More Than Ever, #956 of 1618 🔗

Same, hopefully the side effects will be obvious the time it gets round to us.

260551 ▶▶ Sue, replying to steve_w, #957 of 1618 🔗

i’ll allocate myself to group 99. see the fallout of all previous guinea pigs.

260564 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to steve_w, #958 of 1618 🔗

More care home deaths on the way?

260575 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bugle, 2, #959 of 1618 🔗

This is a real and obvious concern that should be discussed and debated openly. Seeing that list feels like we’re on the way to the Carousel

260302 Adam, 6, #960 of 1618 🔗

Johnson and Hancock along with Sage must not be allowed to remain in office a day longer this sorry Government and it’s tamed opposition in Parliament must go https://www.saveourrights.uk

260307 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #961 of 1618 🔗

It’s jaw dropping how writers like this an attack the sceptical scientists without pausing to think. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/22/we-need-scientists-to-quiz-covid-consensus-not-act-as-agents-of-disinformation For example,if mask wearing did protect other people why do the numbers go up after they are mandated/

260319 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #962 of 1618 🔗

Typical Guardian smear piece. This article is in itself revolting disinformation.

260361 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to John P, 2, #963 of 1618 🔗

It made me feel queasy to read.

260397 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #964 of 1618 🔗

I can’t read the Guardian any more, I wonder if their readership numbers have fallen I’d love to know.

260427 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to wendy, 3, #965 of 1618 🔗

The Guardian’s in trouble. They’ve had to shed staff apparently. The State will prop it up no doubt, for propaganda use

260455 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ben, #966 of 1618 🔗

Or the BBC.

260481 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to wendy, 1, #967 of 1618 🔗

Yeah – I refuse to read it at all now, even online. Used to enjoy the sports coverage but I cant look at that Quisling rag now

260593 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #968 of 1618 🔗

Author : Sonia Priya Sodha was born in June 1981 and attended the University of Oxford, where she attained an MA degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics.
Enough said. I can do wikipedia as well!

260308 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 3, #969 of 1618 🔗

What sort of vaccine is it?
Having done quite a bit of reading into this, the vaccine everyone ( but not the manufacterer) wants is a vaccine that is given once that stimulates T-cell response and lasts for life. The manufacturer wants a vaccine that produces anti-bodies and definitely not T-cell response, so he can sell a repeat vaccination every year ( or six months?).
There are many studies published over the last 20 years that talk about the necessary vaccine make-up that produces T-cell memory. In every case the prerequirement is for low doses of the viral load , only this produces the T-cell memory. Too much and you get anti-bodies but not necessarily T-cell memory. The same is true of the mrNA vaccines, too much ‘effect’ and you miss the vital triggering of the T-cells.
Although this is well known, I can find no reference to this requirement in the Protocols etc of the vaccines being developed for coronavirus.
Indeed there have been many comments from people associated with the vaccine development that poor cold water over the concept of stimulating T-cell memory. Partially because they know that this is already an important part of the immune systems of people exposed to coronavirus, but also I suspect because they do not want their vaccines to be measured in this way.
So question, does anyone know which if any of the vaccines under development are particularly designed to stimulate T-cell memory? If there is one, then this is the one ( if any) that should be given to the ‘at risk’ group

260350 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to peyrole, 2, #970 of 1618 🔗

just to add, its clear to produce increased efficacy from the trials the vaccines are at a high load level. So although there are uncomfirmed reports that T-cells have been produced, they may not contain ‘memory’ as the dose is too high. For instance a quote from the Oxford study
”Although most people made antibodies after a single dose of vaccine, the researchers plan to give two, high-dose injections in further efficacy trials. “We want to maximize our chance of getting an efficacious readout,” Mene Pangalos, AstraZeneca’s Executive Vice President of BioPharmaceuticals R&D said July 20 in a news conference.

260422 ▶▶ Ben, replying to peyrole, 6, #971 of 1618 🔗

That’s not what Gates has said. He’s mentioned multiple vaccines and regular boosters throughout life. Microsoft updates for humans. Updates have to be synced with a Covid-Pass account for permission to live

260449 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Ben, #972 of 1618 🔗

I realise that Gates wants control and a revenue stream.
I am talking about what would be the best vaccine for people if one was really required. That is very different.

260458 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to peyrole, 2, #973 of 1618 🔗

We already have it: our immune system

260482 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to mari, 2, #974 of 1618 🔗

Yes I know that! I am not in favour of vaccines for a virus that does not affect 99% of the population.
But my question is significant I believe. If none of the vaccines are geared to produce T-cell memory , but only anti-bodies this will be very bad for those injected, it could lead to rapid mutations, and of course be extremely expensive to health services and individuals.
Rather than be a something that can be accused of ‘just anti-vax’ , its an argument that doesn’t rule out a really effective vaccine, but could stop mass injections of ones that are sub-optimal.

260548 ▶▶▶▶▶ Motke, replying to mari, 1, #975 of 1618 🔗

Do we though? I’ve watched Mike Yeadon’s latest video and he argues that a significant amount of the population will have pre-existing cross-immunity due to exposure to similar Corona viruses. But the evidence for this seems limited, and it is certainly not the consensus of the majority of scientific opinion. I’d love it if Mike Yeadon is right, because I am very concerned about the harm caused by lockdowns, and I absolutely hate all the mask-wearing nonsense. He explains things very well and his argument is compelling, I’m just concerned that his view is not endorsed by more experts. What are your thoughts?

260311 Cheshirecatslave, 6, #977 of 1618 🔗

This is from the USA but I’m sure our idiots in charge will use the same brainwashing techniques.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04460703
If it’s so safe and good there would be no need to brainwash people.

260328 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 24, #978 of 1618 🔗

Big smile here.

https://twitter.com/LeProfMoriarty/status/1330441379365974017

Gloves are off. The Government attacking the Daily Mail. I think tjis shows their desperation. Well done Daily Mail – keep it up

260333 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 29, #979 of 1618 🔗

My suspicion is that the government is finally getting rattled that the support for their “measures” is now ebbing away. All predictable of course, just annoys me it’s taken 3 or 4 months longer than expected (by me that is).

London 28th November. Hopefully this will be the biggest protest in the UK to date. Time to ram the message home: patience is wearing thin.

260345 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #980 of 1618 🔗

It seems to have ebbed away round me but people still complying – just moaning abuot it.

I went to 2 of the earlier London rallies but then got distracted. Will be going on Saturday 28th though!

260365 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 4, #981 of 1618 🔗

Well done. But having lots of rallies around the country would be better to get the message across and it stretches the police presence too!

260448 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #982 of 1618 🔗

I would definitely go if there were more local rallies. I’m not in a position to help organise, unfortunately, but I would go to stand up and be counted!

260483 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Banjones, #983 of 1618 🔗

Find your local Keep Britain Free group?
The Sussex one is so enormous we had 60 people at our fortnightly meetings and so now it’s broken down into smaller groups to organise activities. They communicate by Telegram. Not many people on here seem to know. Save our Rights is active as well and also use Telegram.

260347 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #984 of 1618 🔗

Heard on radio earlier that DHSC have now removed their tweet. I hope they are getting rattled but I’m not too sure. Lying with conviction and ignoring anything inconvenient has got the Govt this far.

260352 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #985 of 1618 🔗

their tweet was lame. nothing to back up their claims that DM article was misleading. Just NPC shit about flattening the curve etc

260354 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steve_w, 5, #986 of 1618 🔗

Yes, the tweet was ridiculous but the replies were great!

260442 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #987 of 1618 🔗

You’d certainly have to be pretty dim not to laugh out loud at its lack of substance. Really a confirmation that they have no case.

260329 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #988 of 1618 🔗

I was just thinking after reading the many comments concerning the extreme “Maskateers” who wear these face nappies for hours on end, BLIMEY, their breath must smell like a tramp’s sock.

260415 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #989 of 1618 🔗

Speaking as a tramp….I’m deeply offended

260474 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liewe, 3, #990 of 1618 🔗

Speaking as a tramp’s sock…

260493 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Liewe, #991 of 1618 🔗

Sorry, no insult intended.

260355 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 33, #992 of 1618 🔗

Are we there yet?

260389 ▶▶ wendy, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #993 of 1618 🔗

It won’t be too much longer I fear!!!!

260477 ▶▶ annie, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #994 of 1618 🔗

That’s strong medicine. Great.

260762 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to annie, #995 of 1618 🔗

It won’t work… Unlike the miracle jab that will be deployed WORLDWIDE for the relief of the huge herds of moron slaves, that medicine won’t pass this website.

260759 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to PastImperfect, #996 of 1618 🔗

COPIGS, DOCTORS, NURSES are more than willing…

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to follow the ORDERS of the SRF & Billionaires disguised as “Laws”/”Recommendations” via jesters.

260356 Ben, replying to Ben, 3, #997 of 1618 🔗

Why do some anti-lockdown campaigners endorse Trump? He sounds as bad as the rest of them
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260367 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ben, 5, #998 of 1618 🔗

I don’t endorse Trump, but lockdown is a separate issue to the vaccine. Conflating the two issues is an extremely dangerous trap.

260407 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Will, 4, #999 of 1618 🔗

Lockdown is the twisting of the arm to make us accept the vaccines

260394 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 12, #1000 of 1618 🔗

Mostly the reason many antilockdowners tend to prefer Trump’s attitude to Biden’s (and the Democrats’ in general) is that the difference between Trump and Biden (and between Republicans and Democrats in general) is similar to that between “Conservatives” and Labour here. “Conservatives” are bad on lockdown, but Labour are far worse – more fanatical, more zealous. criticising only for not locking down hard enough and fast enough.

It’s slightly complicated as well by the fact that Johnson here is the man personally responsible for lockdown, whereas Trump has much less power in the US due to the federal structure. Also while Trump is personally inclined to favour flashy tech solutions to problems (eg drugs and vaccines), he clearly doesn’t like lockdowns or masks, and never really has. In Scott Atlas he’s appointed perhaps the closest thing to a sceptic in authority in the US/Europe outside of Sweden.

If you are antilockdown you have to be delusional or blinded by bias not to hugely prefer Trump[ over Biden on that issue. Obviously whether that outweighs your view of the politicians in other areas is up to you.

For me, and clearly some others here, Trump’s siding against most of the really bad and menacing things in our societies – (big tech power, BLM lying thuggery, pc speechcrime laws and “cancel culture”, mass immigration radicalism, internationalist globalism, etc) is more than enough to make him much preferable to Biden and the Democrats’ corrupt warmongering.

The massive overspend by the Democrats both in 2016 and in 2020 compared to Trump should tell you where the establishment backing lies. If you like what the establishment are currently doing, by all means support the Dems and get more of it.

260437 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #1001 of 1618 🔗

I have no brief at all for the US establishment – of either colour.

But backing Trump provides no solution. I admit that you do get what you see with him. Unfortunately, that’s a narcissistic idiot who’s frittered away millions (often of other’s money)

260452 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 6, #1002 of 1618 🔗

A “narcissistic idiot who’s frittered away millions (often of other’s money)” is frankly miles better than a corrupt, cynical and senile establishment hack who’s wholly on board with the warmongering, anti-liberty, globalist big tech and big business media agendas that generate precisely the anti-establishment movements that backed both Trump and Sanders.

Ymmv, of course (clearly).

But again, that’s separate from the specific issue of the coronapanic and which side is better on that – clearly neither side is anywhere near perfect, but Trump is incomparably better than Biden on that issue in isolation.

260532 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #1003 of 1618 🔗

Biden wants masks mandated federally.

260472 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to RickH, 8, #1004 of 1618 🔗

I’m no fan of Trump (although not deranged either) and he isn’t perfect but he was infinitely preferable for our cause. At least he dosen’t want a national lockdown and mask mandate.

260681 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Ben, 2, #1005 of 1618 🔗

My respect for Trump pre-dates this sorry episode.

This is a great summary on why:

Victor Davis Hanson on “The Case For Trump”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEXL5USuDGI

260724 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ben, 1, #1006 of 1618 🔗

Trump supports the GBD.

Lockdown sceptic doesn’t necessarily mean Anti-vaxxer

260360 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1007 of 1618 🔗

Is it really believable that Wuhan managed to test 10 million people in less than 3 weeks? Impressive if so, I suppose.

Although wikipedia thinks that the 2020 population of Wuhan is only 8 million…

260385 ▶▶ wendy, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1008 of 1618 🔗

It doesn’t feel like it does it. That’s a lot of people even if they were willing to be tested. I am sure our populations won’t be willing to undergo mass testing. I think there is too much distrust of government in some communities for that – in poor whites, Muslims and Jewish and black communities say. It certainly feels like that from where I am in greater Manchester.

260531 ▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1009 of 1618 🔗

I would by default regard information coming out of China as fiction, for many reasons. They can come out with any old rubbish if they want, and whatever they come out with will be tailored to suit their purposes.

Look at their “cases” and “covid deaths” – TINY. How can this possibly be true, given that it started there and was raging well before they locked down?

260362 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 20, #1010 of 1618 🔗

I feel SAGE, Boris, Wanksock et al are desperate for the vaccine – any vaccine. If they get it rolled out, they can say it stopped the pandemic (which was over anyway) and that the lockdowns gave us time to develop the vaccine. This is why they will rush it and the regulator will come under enormous pressure. Now, it might be safe, but it might not. We won’t have the data for several years.

260451 ▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 4, #1011 of 1618 🔗

Only escape route that validates the narrative.

260475 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 4, #1012 of 1618 🔗

When the government consistently seeks advice from Neil Ferguson and his failed computer model surely even the dimmest person should be asking why?

260363 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 33, #1013 of 1618 🔗

Unbelievable! From The Telegraph (apologies if already posted, and my emphasis):

PM faces threat of Tory revolt over stricter tier system after lockdown

Boris Johnson is facing the threat of a backbench revolt to his plans to move England into a tougher three-tiered system after the lockdown ends.

Dozens of Conservative MPs have said they will not back such a move without extensive evidence.

The Prime Minister has been warned in a letter by the Covid recovery group (CRG), said to be signed by 70 Tory MPs, that he will have to provide a cost-benefit analysis to show the restrictions “will save more lives than they cost”.

But Chancellor Rishi Sunak on Sunday suggested providing the evidence they require will be a tall order , paving the way for a significant challenge to get Parliament’s approval for the restrictions.

So if they can’t provide the evidence, presumably they don’t have. In that case, what the bloody hell are they basing policy on?

260372 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1014 of 1618 🔗

Unicorns and fart fairies.

260375 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1015 of 1618 🔗

They have admitted previously that it doesn’t exist. ‘If it saves one life’ would be seriously undermined if such an analysis was undertaken, so it won’t be allowed. They also have Whitty & Valance asserting that all damage is ‘on the covid side of the balance sheet’ which they use to justify the monomania.

260381 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1016 of 1618 🔗

Well couldn’t they get someone to make a stab at providing a report themselves if the government won’t do it?

260393 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendy, #1017 of 1618 🔗

Do you mean the DT should comission that Wendy?

I recall that academics were doing these calculations early on. There was someone from Bristol Uni early on, I think, but I haven’t stumbled across anything in recent months.

260409 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1018 of 1618 🔗

I was meaning the Covid recovery group

260431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendy, #1019 of 1618 🔗

Sorry, Wendy. Obvious now you say it! I was being slow. If they are serious then surely they will do that, alongside insisting that the Govt do it themselves. I’m sure there are economists out there will all the numbers at their fingertips

260396 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1020 of 1618 🔗

The promise of a speaking tour/position in a global institution for key named individuals!

260675 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1021 of 1618 🔗

100%. Something I read recently said that the Obamas were still paying off student debt in 2005. When they left office, they had properties worth tens of thousands. Its a gravy train and a disgusting one at that,

260524 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1022 of 1618 🔗

The work has been done:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/articles/coronavirusandtheimpactonoutputintheukeconomy/september2020

https://ifs.org.uk/uploads/BN309-COVID-19-and-disruptions-to-the-health-and-social-care-of-older-people-in-England-1.pdf

Amnesty International Report ‘UK: Older people in care homes abandoned to die amid Government failures during coronavirus pandemic – new report’ 04 Oct 2020

260528 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, #1023 of 1618 🔗

“Providing the evidence will be a tall order” Lol. Plenty of evidence to show that the restrictions cost more lives than they saved.

260544 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tenchy, #1024 of 1618 🔗

Lies.

260364 wendy, replying to wendy, 71, #1025 of 1618 🔗

I have been struggling with my feelings lately from extreme anger to debilitating sadness with complete powerlessness in the middle and at times been unable to contribute here because of this. It’s mostly to do with my poor Dad who lives in a care home. Seeing him through locked double glazing is very hard. My main feeling is of letting him down at the end of his life, though because of his dementia he seems to have adjusted to this as normal. But it’s hard to carry this not knowing how long he has left.

But today I met with a friend who is in her early 70s. She trusts me and I told her about the cross immunity from other coronaviruses, about T cell immunity and how antibodies in blood are not the only measure and I told her about the latest research coming out of China that asymptomatic people are unlikely to spread. It was encouraging for me to see her take this all on board and ask why these positive things are not told to us by SAGE and the government. I have only met with her twice since Christmas as she has been quite anxious but today when we parted she offered to hug me. I almost cried at the change in her.

My next observations are about being out and about in Greater Manchester. I met my friend at Salford Quays today and there were masses of people out and about and not one lot of people flinched out of the way as they passed others. Many people were clearly meeting up with other families and groups. It was sunny and there was a holiday, happy feel amongst folks, many saying hello to strangers.

Traffic in greater Manchester is really busy, with some traffic jams and where shops are open the car parks are overflowing. The M62, on my two journeys over to see Dad in Yorkshire, has been busy and a delight to see so many driving on it. And when I am out running, day or night, there are lots of people about in cars and on foot. My street too is busy and people are having visitors. In all of this I haven’t seen one police officer or police car.

It’s a great help to know everyone on Lockdown Sceptics is there for me, and reading some of the discussions really helps even if I haven’t been feeling able to contribute much. I joined and donated to Time for Recovery which helped too.

260812 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to wendy, #1026 of 1618 🔗

Well said Wendy .It’s times like this when everyone needs to stick together .I hope everything works out with your father it sounds difficult .Really enjoyed your post .

260368 Jo, replying to Jo, 24, #1027 of 1618 🔗

Has anyone seen this yet?
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims

Mike Yeadon is starting a campaign so people can claim compensation because of losses owing to false positives. I hope he has a good lawyer on board

260387 ▶▶ alw, replying to Jo, 1, #1028 of 1618 🔗

Can’t see any confirmation of this on his Twitter account.

260392 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to alw, 3, #1029 of 1618 🔗

If you go to Yeadon Campaign you’ll see it’s “coming soon”

260425 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Jo, 1, #1031 of 1618 🔗

The person referred to in the links below is a Dr Yardley based in Yeadon near Leeds, not Dr Mike Yeadon

260440 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Jo, 1, #1032 of 1618 🔗

This is the website for the campaign.

260457 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo, 2, #1033 of 1618 🔗

Thanks this is great

260371 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 18, #1034 of 1618 🔗

The “rebellion” by Tory MPs is meaningless, because Labour are not going to oppose any restrictions. Which essentially means that absent a popular rebellion the regulations are never going to be lifted. Masks, distancing, lockdowns, vaccines and crushing poverty for years on end awaits.

However I suspect that even those who seem to enjoy this new way of living, and express public support for it, are really in perpetual agonising torment. How long will they be able to sustain this before it leads to psychological oblivion (and ultimately physical death)?

260378 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Richard O, 10, #1035 of 1618 🔗

At least they have set up the Covid Recovery Group which might allow more voices to be heard if they hadn’t spoken out and got together would anyone have known there was any dissatisfaction with lockdowns. Their request for scrutiny of sage must be a good thing too. Maybe there are some in Labour who do feel the same but the pressure not to speak out must be immense. I also wonder if these backbenchers give more of the public permission to ignore the governments rules.

260384 ▶▶ John P, replying to Richard O, 14, #1036 of 1618 🔗

The “rebellion” by Tory MPs is meaningless, because Labour are not going to oppose any restrictions.

Perhaps, but if 70 Tory/DUP MPs oppose the government and the government majority is 80 then it wouldn’t take too many Labour rebels to defeat them.

I forget the exact number, but I think that 7 Labour MPs voted against the continuation of the Coronavirus Act. There are some Labour MPs who oppose the restrictions even if they have been generally whipped into line by the party.

260390 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, 13, #1037 of 1618 🔗

I wonder John, whether the recent spat in Labour over Jeremy Corbyn might have an impact here in terms of breaking any whip, should it be imposed?

260395 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1038 of 1618 🔗

Yes, good point.

260421 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 12, #1039 of 1618 🔗

Probably not. The PLP is massively of the Blairite right, and full of neophytes from those years who have done very little other than been fleas on the body of our political institutions.

I’ve known three generations of Labour MPs, and I’ve seen a sad decline in quality (and that’s allowing for the duds of older schools).

The conflict in the Labour Party is now essentially between the place-holders in parliament (who will largely back the establishment, with an eye to the main chance), the self-serving administration, and the more active membership. Starmer was manoeuvered into place because he is a suitable safe dummy for the establishment – a role that he has vigorously pursued from the start. He is fulfilled in that role and has worked tirelessly to prevent any rocking of the underlying establishment narrative.

Bluntly, as I’ve often said, the political focus is not now essentially about the left/right dimension. It is about elite control (which can translate into the old terms, but misses the point if it does so).

260438 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 4, #1040 of 1618 🔗

Frankly this was as obvious immediately after Corbyn was elected as the end of the “Conservative” Party as any kind of vehicle for conservatism was obvious by the time Cameron became leader.

The Blairites were always lying, cynical opportunists who were going to sabotage Corbyn if they weren’t properly cleansed from the Party hierarchy, and so it came to pass. I would have been laughing out loud, if the same kind of capture hadn’t occurred on my own preferred side.

It will be interesting to see if your lot cling on for more punishment or finally wake up and leave the Labour Party shell to the parasites who own it. Start again, as both conservatives and traditionalists have to do.

260670 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #1041 of 1618 🔗

As I’ve posted elsewhere : there’s real dilemma about getting out of the existing parties, since doing so just leaves them in the hands of the chancers, with all the votes that go with the tradition.

260689 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, #1042 of 1618 🔗

Yes, that’s a real issue, but no alternative I think. Short term pain, long term gain. And how much difference will it actually make anyway – the chancers already control the government whichever party is in office anyway.

260401 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 14, #1043 of 1618 🔗

I think Rebecca Long-Bailey was worried about creeping totalitarianism. Dismayed that every single Labour MP wasn’t worried too

260500 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ben, 3, #1044 of 1618 🔗

Blimey, I loathed her before all this started!

260656 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Ben, #1045 of 1618 🔗

Yes, I do believe she voted against last time along with Dawn Butler. Both MPs that I had zero respect for before then.

260402 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 4, #1046 of 1618 🔗

All the DUP did also, while their party installed extension no. 3 to lockdown in Northern Ireland this week

260410 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1047 of 1618 🔗

I think there is a bit of a conflict within the DUP between the Westminster factions (Sammy Wilson) and the local Stormont party (Arlene Foster) which is trying to reach a consensus with Sin Fein. Not sure how this will play out?

260444 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1048 of 1618 🔗

Edwin Poots is outwardly anti lockdown locally. I don’t know how much strength is in any politician to take the wrath of the shambolic media here and go against the public health shadow government

260414 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 3, #1049 of 1618 🔗

The problem is Blairite trilateral commission member Starmer is fully on board with the Great Reset aims

260794 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to John P, #1050 of 1618 🔗

Also it looks terrible for a government with an 80 seat majority to need support from the opposition and will hasten Johnson’s demise .

260398 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 9, #1051 of 1618 🔗

You can imagine all this shit being in place a decade later, the sheeple masses won’t even remember a time before it.

260404 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, #1052 of 1618 🔗

Are you new here?

260418 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1053 of 1618 🔗

No. Just got back from some depressing shopping amongst hundreds of compliers, all completely unmoved by the hellscape.

260423 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 4, #1054 of 1618 🔗

This is not as far fetched as you might think. If these idiots take enough of the DNA altering vaccines then their bodies will belong to the state and pharmaceutical corporations and they will not have a mind of their own. Clearly millions are already in this state even before the vaccine rollout.

Personally I hope the plan is mass depopulation because at least it means that our current torment has a limited shelf life.

260447 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 4, #1055 of 1618 🔗

I’m not sure I will last another year to be honest.

260424 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard O, 17, #1056 of 1618 🔗

Tbh, the CRG is important not because it means the government might be defeated (though it does make them beholden to Labour, potentially, and that’s politically damaging), but rather because it means there is a group in Parliament that is outside the lockstep mainstream panic agenda, asking real questions and actively hostile to the government lies.

As with newspapers and mainstream media, while it would be nice to have publications that are openly and wholly sceptical, what was really important was when publications like the Spectator, DM and Telegraph simply started to publish a genuinely varied diet of both pro- and anti-lockdown stuff – unlike the BBC/Guardian/Times etc.

We can win any argument eventually, so long as there is an actual debate allowed. Early on, that was not the case, and the first necessity was to break that situation.

260660 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mark, 3, #1057 of 1618 🔗

The CRG is one of the biggest causes for optimism together with Cummings buggering off. They will put pressure on the government and there’s even a chance they could get Johnson sacked.

260664 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Mark, 2, #1058 of 1618 🔗

Agreed, back in April you could pretty much count the well known sceptics on one hand!

260529 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard O, #1059 of 1618 🔗

Nobody really enjoys this surely?

260377 DeepBlueYonder, 2, #1060 of 1618 🔗
260386 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1061 of 1618 🔗

Ivor Cummings refers to ‘dry tinder’

Is that a dating site for people who don’t drink intoxicating liquer?

260417 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1062 of 1618 🔗

If this goes on and on by next year many of us on here WILL become dry tinder that’s for sure! ( Or alcoholic?)

260399 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 27, #1063 of 1618 🔗

Sumz it up

260515 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1064 of 1618 🔗

A good quotation and thank you. But can we have the source please? I have read much of C. S. Lewis, and I can vaguely remember this quotation but where precisely is it?
One of my favourites is the opening sentence from ‘The Parthenon and the Optative’. I use that one for the first of my lessons on the Optative.

260788 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1065 of 1618 🔗

East Belfast’s finest along with George Best and Van the man.

260412 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1066 of 1618 🔗

The term ‘PCR virus’ is copyright and the intellectual property of the Mr and Mrs Cecil B Foundation

260433 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1067 of 1618 🔗

FFS only joking

260464 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1068 of 1618 🔗

You had us worried 😉

260525 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, #1069 of 1618 🔗

You’ve trademarked it really…

260413 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 18, #1070 of 1618 🔗

So it’s back to tiers for souvenirs again, with mementos for all from unnecessary premature death to ruined lives and livelihoods. Let’s hope for a truly massive turnout in London on Saturday, we cannot afford to not be there – or somewhere more local if travel is a problem. Only unprecedentedly large numbers on the streets, along with continued political and scientific pressure, will have any impact on these numbskulls.

260416 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1071 of 1618 🔗

Tiers for Fears-The Hurting

260430 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1072 of 1618 🔗

Now available on vinyl!

260429 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1073 of 1618 🔗

Is Johnson deliberately trying to look sinister in that pic, where has the clown gone?

260439 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 17, #1074 of 1618 🔗

I see pure, undiluted evil in his sunken, lifeless eyes. His legacy will be death on a scale comparable to any of the great dictators of the 20th century. He has no need for the jovial public facade which got him to where he is today, so naturally it has been dispensed with.

260459 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 3, #1075 of 1618 🔗

Who would have thought it

260469 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1076 of 1618 🔗

I’ve harboured a visceral hatred of him for many years (even voting Remain and Corbyn against my principles purely out of opposition to him), but the depths he has plumbed in 2020 have surprised me. I knew he was a congenital liar and a narcissist, but didn’t think he could be a genocidal mass murderer.

260463 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Richard O, 11, #1077 of 1618 🔗

He is,was and always will be an opportunist liar who no more believed in Brexit than I did; he saw an opportunity to jump on the “leave” bandwagon to further his ambition to be “World King”.

260478 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 10, #1078 of 1618 🔗

There’s even greater evil in Wancock’s face. It screams at you.

260484 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 8, #1079 of 1618 🔗

Nah, he’s just a wanker who’s out of his depth, just like George “Useless” and Robert “5 homes” Jenrick.

260497 ▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1080 of 1618 🔗

I agree. He thought bring PM would be all high japes and his big opportunity to ‘get Brexit done’. He didn’t bank on this corona bollocks screwing everything up and now he’s totally out of his depth with no clue how to get himself out if this pickle.

260507 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1081 of 1618 🔗

Except to blame the people.

260509 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1082 of 1618 🔗

Yeah he looks the little kid who hangs out with the bullies so he doesn’t get picked on

260516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jakehadlee, 3, #1083 of 1618 🔗

So, you’ve noticed that as well.

260539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1084 of 1618 🔗

Matt Hancock is not terribly bright, but was a disciple of the ruthless globalist George Osborne – you know, the one the Chinese liked because he didn’t bring up awkward subjects like human rights and political prisoners…

260633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Bugle, 1, #1085 of 1618 🔗

You mean George Robsone, surely?

260587 ▶▶▶▶▶ Athanasius, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1086 of 1618 🔗

I disagree. Ok so Boris is an opportunist, which is bad enough… but Hancock really believes in his bile, and that is far more dangerous.

260658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Athanasius, #1087 of 1618 🔗

He practices every day in front of a mirror and has, unfortunately, hypnotized himself.

260668 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1088 of 1618 🔗

Mirror mirro on the wall, who’s the vilest of them all?

260651 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #1089 of 1618 🔗

The phony, jovial public facade that has served him well for 50 + years.

260522 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1090 of 1618 🔗

All clowns look like that when the face paint is taken off. It’s why they terrify more people than they entertain.

260446 SilentP, 13, #1091 of 1618 🔗

I listened to the Planet Normal podcast and was impressed with how Steve Baker came across.

Although not usually in the habit of writing to my MP I have had some correspondence with him since Lockdown 2 was proposed and was pleased to hear that he is a founder member of the Covid Recovery group. I have written to Steve Baker and Mark Harper this afternoon and asked my MP to ensure that the topics I raised have been considered by the CRG.

Given that the CRG may only get a single shot to make a difference to whatever next stage is about to be proposed, I have raised some points that are very important and complementary to the CRG’s main stated objective. Extracts from the mail:

It was very encouraging to read this morning that your group is saying that the government must prove that restrictions “will save more lives than they cost”.

I am appalled that this approach has not been followed to date and am raising with you some other points that relate to this. I hope these may already be on or will be on your agenda.

What are the benefits of Lockdowns?

There is increasing (even official!) evidence that the second wave is plateauing and even dropping in most areas. I am sure you are aware of the many respected people who were predicting that this would happen in advance of the imposition of lockdown 2.

The true picture will only gradually emerge and I believe that a significant role for your group will be to ensure that this is fully taken on board before any further lockdown decisions are made. If there is firm evidence that lockdowns and/or the tier restrictions have provided little or no benefit to date, this needs to be identified and accepted. I fear that the government will aim to save face and make out that the plateauing and decreases have come about as a result of the restrictions and not in spite of them.

Can project Operation Moonshot be scaled back, delayed or cancelled?

This operation will not only cost a massive amount of money but will result in many more people being forced to isolate as a result of positive tests. (It is worth considering how many false positive tests will arise as a result of mass testing, even if the lateral flow test is less susceptible to this than the PCR testing.)

Is there a viable cost/benefit case for this operation?

Premature euphoria on vaccines

Although vaccines will clearly have a very important role to play at some point, I believe that much of what has been told to the public by the government, the BBC and most of the rest of the MSM has been almost hysterically exuberant, unrealistic and premature.

It has been noticeable that the Prime Minister has recently struck a more cautious note but the Health Secretary appears to still be fixated on vaccines.

I feel that when some of the realities (e.g. efficacy, timescales, potential low take up by the public) are better understood the current euphoria will turn back to despair and the government will have boxed itself into a corner.

260453 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 20, #1092 of 1618 🔗

Just picked this up from a reader comment in The Telegraph:

PCR Tests give 97% False Positives

Portugal Appeal Court Ruling on 11th Nov 2020.

Part of the judgements was that the number of Cycles strongly determines the reliability of the PCR Test as follows:

Cycles vs Reliability

25…………. 70%

30…………. 20%

35…………. 3%

At 35 cycles the test is 3% reliable, or 97% of its results are False Positives.

Remember the NHS is using PCR Tests with 45 Cycles.

Summary details here:

https://docdro.id/3WR5vwu

Any of you technical guys wish to comment on this?

260486 ▶▶ Richard, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1093 of 1618 🔗

Just posted the Zero Hedge article – t hi s needs to be spread as widely as possible

260496 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1094 of 1618 🔗

Even a non technical person can grasp that PCR is deserving of a full enquiry now.

260596 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1095 of 1618 🔗

The numbers sound plausible but they’re because prevalence is low. You normally describe a test in terms of how it performs on known positives (sensitivity) and known negatives (specificity).

Any test that’s less than 100% specific (and few will be in the real world) can give 97% or some ridiculous rate of false positives to true positives if the prevalence in the population is low enough.

It’s just important to understand that the test itself is basically a good test but is being misused. Otherwise people might think one is a conspiracy nut or something. PCR is good science and a valid tool but can be (and is being, grossly) misused.

260648 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tenchy, #1096 of 1618 🔗

Dr. Fauci said the same just recently. Mark Windows found the source. The Tests charade is still useful because most people believe everything that they are told. No problem for the government yet.

260485 Richard, replying to Richard, 23, #1097 of 1618 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/portuguese-court-rules-pcr-tests-unreliable-quarantines-unlawful

Apologies if this has been posted already but this is important. I have sent to my MP and got a response within minutes. Can I suggest that everyone here who is e-mailing their MP at the moment circulates this – my e-Mail was a follows if it helps

Hopefully you have already seen this but just in case – might be useful context as you and your colleagues decide how to vote soon – I believe that so far PHE / NHS have refused to disclose how many cycles they use but I could be wrong. However, believe it has been confirmed that in Northern Ireland up to 45 cycles were being used.

Given the government is using the number of positive results to justify their actions am sure you will agree it is critical those results are only from correctly administered tests processed in suitably controlled laboratories.

260706 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richard, #1098 of 1618 🔗

But, surely, Richard – if our MPs are not aware of this information already then they are guilty of dereliction of duty? Of course these facts are critical.
Even out here, in the Real World, the Great Unwashed know these figures.

260809 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Banjones, #1099 of 1618 🔗

Sadly I think you would find a lot of them don’t know as much as you think – there was a post on here last week where someone had basically had to educate their MP on some very basic facts. This Portuguese ruling has not been publicised by the MSM so unless they are getting their news from abroad range of sources it’s possible they haven’ seen stuff. I agree it’s complete dereliction of duty but look at the quality average Westminster intake – pretty clear most of them have very limited critical thinking capabilities

260508 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Victoria, 5, #1101 of 1618 🔗

that could be absolutely massive – surely everyone in the country is entitled to claim???

260490 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 20, #1102 of 1618 🔗

Symptomatic transmission is biologically implausible

260637 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Victoria, 1, #1103 of 1618 🔗

My wife, a medical biochemistry grad, has been saying this from day 1.

260492 BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1104 of 1618 🔗

Belfast protest today poorly attended apparently. Lots of fines for the small number of warriors. The population are just used to poor leadership and polticial corruption so even with Covid it’s a shurg of the shoulders. Failed state.

The police at the rally were obviously expecting chemical warfare to be engaged.

260498 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 70, #1105 of 1618 🔗

I had a chat with an old friend of mine on the phone today we haven’t spoken since early August as the last time we spoke he thought my views were too extreme and the usual guff about deadly virus, deaths ect l wouldn’t say we fell out over it but I wasn’t bothered about keeping in touch as I felt he was a lost cause and wet blanket and I dare say the feeling was mutual , then out of the blue I received a phone call from him today and a totally different very sceptical attitude from him he was gracious enough to say he’s changed his viewpoint ,he’s still furloughed and very doubtful he will go back to his job his kids have to sit in a classroom with their coats on while windows and doors are open that’s when they are at school as most of the time there isn’t enough staff to keep them open ,the high st is decimated and he can now see that the economy is being destroyed for something not much worse than a bad flu season and in his words “not enough people have died to justify this reaction”
Gave me hope that people who may have been zealots a few months back are now having their eyes opened and are waking up to what’s really going on ….. keep the faith!

260645 ▶▶ RickH, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #1106 of 1618 🔗

Let’s hope.

260499 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 18, #1107 of 1618 🔗

I see the Govt have now deleted their tweet

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1330521983323414529

(see the now deleted tweet from Department of Health and Social Care in picture below)

260510 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 6, #1108 of 1618 🔗

Nothing on the internet can ever be deleted. We know.

260521 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 6, #1109 of 1618 🔗

Shame

Would have been better for us if they had left it

I think they realised starting a war with the DM was a mistake

260503 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #1110 of 1618 🔗

NHS Dashboard just up-daled the total number of Covid patients in English NHS hospitals has gone down again for the third day in a row, clearly Hancock was so busy chortling about vaccines he forgot to fiddle the figures!
Down from a high spot of 13626 on the 18th to 13214 on the 21st Yesterday
And so we are having to go into a new strict tiers system because ???????? for the last 3 days the total number of Covid patients has gone down and overall for the last 7 days the total number of Covid patients went up by …………… 1.2% clearly the NHS is overwhelmed the virus is out of control and we are all doomed!

260511 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1111 of 1618 🔗

Soon to be sold as lockdown working.

260512 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1112 of 1618 🔗

And out of all the deaths (Within 28,etc) all but 5 had underlying health conditions.

260642 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1113 of 1618 🔗

the total number of Covid patients in English NHS hospitals”

Key thing : they’re not ‘Covid patients’. They are patients with a PCR+ test.

260646 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, #1114 of 1618 🔗

Hello Steve, I’m following these figures.

If there has been a turning of the tide in patient numbers it seems to to have been in the last day or two. Theretofore I fear the doomsayers will be able to chalk it up to the lockdown.

Hospital admissions might have peaked on the 11th using the 7 day average measure and that I would think be harder to chalk up the lockdown.

Mortality figures also might (again might ) be shown to have peaked on the 11th – and that most definitely can’t be chalked up to the lockdown,

Is there not going to be some vote in the Commons tomorrow on sanctioning another raft of restrictions?

They should wait at least another week to better understand what has transpired.

Are they rushing it to prevent recalcitrant MPs having the evidence to say the lockdown was pointless. Why the rush?

STOP PRESS. I’ve just read what NickR has to say on this subject above. He seems to have a better understanding than me.

260685 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ned of the Hills, -1, #1115 of 1618 🔗

The problem is the overall national figure masks the trends in individual regions. I feared this would be the case.

North West infections were declining well before the lockdown. Other regions were still increasing or just starting to increase. This means a downward trend in the overall numbers has been delayed.

260821 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1116 of 1618 🔗

Yes there will be some sort of a debate and a vote, they need to get something in place for after 2nd December when the current lock-down ends. In order to enact Statutory Instruments under the Public Health Act they ‘ in theory ‘ they need to demonstrate a serious and imminent threat and whichever way you look at the figures, to my mind, the current situation does not meet that criteria but I doubt they will listen to me!

260519 ▶▶ leggy, replying to leggy, 8, #1118 of 1618 🔗

From the text:

We have established a partnership with the World Economic Forum Centre for the Fourth Industrial Revolution in San Francisco to develop regulatory approaches for new technologies. The partnership work will focus on areas of innovation which align with the UK’s Industrial Strategy Grand Challenges, such as:

  • AI and machine learning;
  • autonomous and urban mobility;
  • drones and tomorrow’s airspace; and
  • precision medicine

Our collaboration with the World Economic Forum will showcase the regulatory sandboxes, testbeds and labs we have developed in the UK and promote their adoption across the globe.

260558 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to leggy, 5, #1119 of 1618 🔗

What the fuck is a regulatory sandbox??

260570 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Jo, 1, #1120 of 1618 🔗

Exactly what the AI Terminators will ask themselves as they stride confidently out of it, contemptuously dusting off a bit of the sand.

260984 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Jo, #1121 of 1618 🔗

It’ll probably be an African country.

260534 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to leggy, 3, #1122 of 1618 🔗

“Developing regulatory approaches”, makes me worry that it could stifle innovation from start ups in favour of the big boys, unless they towed the line. It needs to be transparent.

Also, posted this earlier. It does make you wonder, if they’ve become so obsessed with AI, is this forming their policies?

https://www.cognizant.com/pandemic-response?cid=p573241762-0011

260536 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #1123 of 1618 🔗

as someone/something once said, “ This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.”

260553 ▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 3, #1124 of 1618 🔗

‘Regulatory approaches’… Sounds like a protection racket

260556 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Ben, 3, #1125 of 1618 🔗

We need a more agile approach to regulation

I fell at the first hurdle!

260758 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to leggy, 1, #1126 of 1618 🔗

Come come, my good man. It’s just a spot of Anachronistic Retroactive Convergent Opportunism™

Nothing to see here.

260530 miahoneybee, replying to miahoneybee, 1, #1127 of 1618 🔗

https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/98418173/verify?token=bysIAIRi0hFyu8xy8dpm
This one is doing well
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862
This one not so good..
If you have seen the posts before apologies.if not please sign.
Thanks.
😊

260537 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to miahoneybee, 2, #1128 of 1618 🔗

I think the ship has already sailed for the second one, miahoneybee!

260533 NappyFace, 8, #1129 of 1618 🔗

Strange times.

Those who question needlessly destroying our civilisation are apparently terrorists.

I really don’t know what to think any more.

260535 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 6, #1130 of 1618 🔗

Sky News Covid reporter talking just now about the number of cases going down “which shows the lockdown is working”. Aaaaaaaargh. However, he then says the average number of deaths has gone up since last week. So…is the lockdown working or not?

260540 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Liz F, 5, #1131 of 1618 🔗

Did he say that is due to the people who were abandoned, with other conditions, by the covid nhs?

260545 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Liz F, 6, #1132 of 1618 🔗

The sheeple are still incapable of activating their brains to ask:

‘what is a case?’

260796 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ben, #1133 of 1618 🔗

This was debated endlessly on Spectator and, via repetition, it’s still turned into a dogma. These are supposed to be intelligent people.

260541 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #1134 of 1618 🔗
260552 ▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, 1, #1135 of 1618 🔗

Someone posted this yesterday I think – do we know for sure if it’s true?

260690 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to CGL, 7, #1136 of 1618 🔗

Not sure, sorry. Stumbled across it on my travels. Who knows what is true nowadays except:

On march 19th CV19 was no longer classified as a ‘high consequence disease’ downgraded to the level of flu.

Average age of death is >80 with at least 1 co-morbidity.

A ‘case’ is a positive test not an infection.

Mask wearing, social distancing and lockdowns are military torture techniques.

PCR test is being used to deliberately find ‘positive cases’ and is crap.

Boris is a fat wanker.

260547 Ben, replying to Ben, 2, #1137 of 1618 🔗

Emma Kenny is right. If the conspiracy theorists’ predictions are right, it doesn’t end well for us

https://twitter.com/emmakennytv/status/1330559991678373888?s=20

260621 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 1, #1138 of 1618 🔗

And if they are also right, Trump gets in and this gets ugly

260549 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 24, #1139 of 1618 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8975281/Christmas-saved-Michael-Gove-does-deal-allow-four-households-bubble-Christmas.html#article-8975281

And oh how they will enjoy punishing us all for this generous relaxation. How can people not see that this makes a complete mockery of every restriction and bit of scaremongering? I am not interested in mixing with 4 other households. I just want my life back.

260555 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1140 of 1618 🔗

Well that’s bloody good of them, I must say. We should all be eternally grateful to the buggers.

260557 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Charlie Blue, 18, #1141 of 1618 🔗

I don’t give a shit about Christmas I just want normality back,full stop.

260574 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Paul, 5, #1142 of 1618 🔗

Yes, should have been clearer. Don’t give a shit about anything those abusive maniacs might allow. All irrelevant without basic freedoms.

260561 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1143 of 1618 🔗

And they expect us to be grateful for another measely chocolate ration.

260562 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1144 of 1618 🔗

Of course there will be an easing of the restrictions at Christmas. The politicians also have families and friends that they want to see. Can you imagine the headlines if all the plebs are supposed to be sat at home alone whilst the powers that be tootle off to their folks’ place for a turkey dinner.

260576 ▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 22, #1145 of 1618 🔗

Hubble bubble toil and trouble,
Fascists reduce our lives to rubble.
Masks are foul and hard to bear,
Breathing in fog and filthy air.

260578 ▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #1146 of 1618 🔗

They are writhing like a venomous snake on the end of a stick.
They know that everybody except the zombies will invite whomever they like over Christmas anyway, and they are desperate to make it look as if that was in accordance with their gracious permission. While delivering a final dose of venom by assuring us that if we invite Gran, she’ll be dead by February.
Bastards.

260600 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1147 of 1618 🔗

I agree people are just plain stupid. I would prefer a quiet xmas ( altho in reality will see who I want when I want) than to have them smugly say we told you so.

260617 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Suzyv, 2, #1148 of 1618 🔗

I would be happy to see who I want, @Suzyv but they are all too freaked out to risk seeing me because they would risk death.

260829 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, #1149 of 1618 🔗

My money is on mandatory masks outdoors.

260550 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1150 of 1618 🔗

Prof Luke O’Neill, Irish TV medic vaccine pusher, just put out this disgusting propaganda on his twatter – it’s a “vaccine for Christmas” video.

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1330216372840886272

If you don’t know about this man, have a read of this detailed hit piece, to learn about his pharma business interests and his links with the UK Government:

https://freepress.ie/2020/10/luke-oneill-a-trojan-horse-for-british-vaccine-scam/

My favourite one liner:
“Luke O’Neill is in the nexus of the Irish media cesspool, Irish taxpayer enterprise funding, political outsourcing, and the global pharma drug dealing industry.”

Please share widely – this man is a serious danger to society (along with many others of course).

260602 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1151 of 1618 🔗

Ivor Cummins hates the man. He really is a shill of all shills for the vaccine. He’s at the top of the tree for being complicit in all over the pain and damage being done to people in Ireland over this. One man fear machine

260729 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1152 of 1618 🔗

Absolutely – He needs to be brought down….

260559 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #1153 of 1618 🔗

The third wave is now almost guaranteed according to WHO. From the DT:

A World Health Organisation (WHO) special Covid-19 envoy predicted a third wave of the pandemic in Europe in early 2021, if governments repeat what he said was a failure to do what was needed to prevent the second wave of infections.

“They missed building up the necessary infrastructure during the summer months, after they brought the first wave under the control,” the WHO’s David Nabarro said in an interview with Swiss newspapers.”Now we have the second wave. If they don’t build the necessary infrastructure, we’ll have a third wave early next year,” said Mr Nabarro, a Briton who campaigned unsuccessfully to become the WHO director general in 2017.

Not sure what he means by “infrastructure”. Test track and trace I guess.

WHO are also panicking because more cases have been recorded in the last month than in the first 6 months of the pandemic.

YES BECAUSE YOU TOLD US ALL TO TEST TEST TEST YOU NUMPTIES!!

260580 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1154 of 1618 🔗

Its all rubbish and lies

260790 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1155 of 1618 🔗

‘Bollocks’ would be my term.

One needs to understand the egotistic/narcissistic personalities and motivations of people like Nabarro. They need to be put back in their box.

260827 ▶▶ leggy, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1156 of 1618 🔗

FFS. It’s all such a con.

260563 DRW, replying to DRW, 24, #1157 of 1618 🔗

As with Poppy I am gradually falling out with my family over this. The funeral is going to be a very painful experience. My dad genuinely believes China stopped covid because of masks and that we could have too if we’d had them earlier. No point trying to argue against that.
Similarly my horrendously BBC-spoonfed grandparents love to complain about it every time it was busy or someone went the ‘wrong’ way in the shops. I was fine with falling out with the braindead sheep at my former employer (public sector, should have known better) but my family is another step altogether. No doubt they will all be soon taking the “vaccine” and will think I’ve become some deranged conspiracy nut for having legit concerns.

260571 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 11, #1158 of 1618 🔗

That’s awful, but grit your teeth and stick to your principles.You will be proved right in the end, and then you can decide whether or not to be magnanimous.

260591 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 4, #1159 of 1618 🔗

One of my biggest fears is that we never are proven right. We still can lose this war, and maybe are.

260603 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to DRW, 5, #1160 of 1618 🔗

You could tell him there were only about 30k cases in the UK when mandatory mask wearing was introduced in July. Since then the number of cases has risen to over 600k.

The same goes for most countries across Europe.

260611 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mayo, 1, #1161 of 1618 🔗

He’s an MSM believer so you’d just get a “you can’t prove how bad it would have
been without them.”

260619 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 6, #1162 of 1618 🔗

Try to park it all for the funeral, DRw. Concentrate on remembering your mum together- I feel sure you can all feel united over that.

260641 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1163 of 1618 🔗

I agree 100% with Charlie Blue — stay away from contentious topics with your family and set boundaries. I have a friend with lupus and, suffice it to say, we are at opposite ends of the spectrum with respect to Covid. We’ve been honest with each other and discussed which topics are off limits. While we commiserate about how miserable we are with the situation, we realize our solutions to getting out of the misery are very different so we just don’t go there. Last week she asked me, hopefully, whether I thought the vaccine would put an end to this and I respectfully told her she probably won’t like my answer so we ought not go there. So far we’ve remained friends. If your family can simply stick to family stuff and not engage you in Covid nonsense perhaps avoid a total falling out.

260714 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1164 of 1618 🔗

Thanks, my tolerance is very short these days.

260779 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1165 of 1618 🔗

I think that’s good advice, DRW. Difficult – but try to distance yourself from the Covid issue for the duration.

My son is quite sceptical, but we still argue because he can’t believe that it’s more than some errors of understanding, and, anyway, the vaccine will map a way out. But I don’t like the arguing

260626 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, #1166 of 1618 🔗

Exactly. So the opposite is also true. It enrages me that.

260666 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to DRW, 1, #1167 of 1618 🔗

Hmm – tricky. As a last resort – why were infections declining up to the end of July. Apparently Cornwall was rammed over the summer and they had very few Covid cases.

260786 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 1, #1168 of 1618 🔗

Simple : It’s the weather – a seasonal infection that went away over the summer. Typical pattern.

260628 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 3, #1169 of 1618 🔗

Not cases but a positive PCR test

260771 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 2, #1170 of 1618 🔗

Again ‘cases’ = meaningless garbage, even tho’ the numbers work in the right direction in this context.

No way there are 600k actual cases of real infection in the UK – pure PCR fantasy.

260566 dommo, 3, #1171 of 1618 🔗

this has always been one of the most stirring images – it struck me this morning that Lord Sumption is now our St Paul’s Cathedral

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScwjDw6Fr9Q7mNeViSLLRbg87B8Hm2cPNH_LoTh4GVRRieSqNAcwbl3C256TNvCg9SLnhN4PIc4y-VDhsI3JVNlJVbai7ENvg&usqp=CAU&ec=45725305

260579 ScepticSteve, 7, #1172 of 1618 🔗

Hi, first time poster here, been reading the comments for months. I made a fun video about vaccines, based on Britney Spears’ Toxic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzx7fupL__4

260581 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 13, #1173 of 1618 🔗

Check out the sanctimonious, puritanical twats that live in my local area. Having a go at some poor people just out WALKING!
Anyway, enjoy the latest podcast if you get a second: https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

260594 ▶▶ annie, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 12, #1174 of 1618 🔗

What miserable gits.

260595 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #1175 of 1618 🔗

Where do they find em?

260597 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 5, #1176 of 1618 🔗

Idiots.

260604 ▶▶ Pennyb, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 7, #1177 of 1618 🔗

God that sounds similar to where I live. Bunch of busy bodies. Heaven forbid people should be allowed to enjoy themselves!

260608 ▶▶ Ben, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 14, #1178 of 1618 🔗

Translation – I want to callously virtue-signal to boost my ego and to hide my scientific ignorance to justify spoiling life for humans

260630 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 5, #1179 of 1618 🔗

80 years ago these bastards would have shoved my relatives into gas chambers – these beasts exist in every society

260636 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #1180 of 1618 🔗

Funny that those sort of commentators all have ‘first hand knowledge of the horror’. And they’re all making ‘selfless choices’. Same where I live.
A few days ago the hand sanitiser dispensing stations placed around our little town by the council, god love them, were torn down and destroyed by someone. It wasn’t me, honest, probably bored kids. But the comments on Facebook were, How could they, How thoughtless, How irresponsible, We’ve been so careful, ad nauseam.

260640 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #1181 of 1618 🔗

It’s a good job these charmers/bots weren’t in the Hope/Derwent valleys this afternoon. We have never seen so many cars parked near Edale station and the Great Ridge was like a motorway with the skyline black with people. The train out was the fullest one we’ve been on since this crap started. ‘Mostly very young zombies but a lot were taking the piss and some had no muzzles at all – like us 🙂

We saw several large groups – ten people socialising was nothing!! We went up Whin Hill and the path was very busy, mostly with smaller groups. Ditto on the way down through the woods towards Ladybower Reservoir. Packed! From the tops, you could see dozens of parked cars on the roads along Bamford Edge, Stanage Edge etc. It was honestly at least as busy as the height of summer.

The stations were a mix of muzzled/unmuzzled but the train back, again packed with youngsters seemed almost 100% zombie but it was hard to see. At one point, while we were waiting, we looked down the platform and every single zombie was glued to a ‘smart-phone’. These zombies are clearly selective which ‘rules’ they obey or break but you don’t have to be that bright to figure out how it’s all working, do you? MW

260805 ▶▶▶ Dean, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #1182 of 1618 🔗

I was up on Bleaklow and even on the main route up there was busy, Huge amount of cars parked up which I’ve never seen up there. Luckily I headed off from the Jean wearers and headed out into the wild moors. Very few venture onto there. Not a muzzle in sight..

260866 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Dean, #1183 of 1618 🔗

It sounds like standing room only today in the popular High Peak sites. It’s good news anyway and I’m glad you got away from the be-jeaned hordes. We didn’t quite manage that. Anyway, there were no muzzles outside the station, which was a blessing. What a joy it was to be out anyway; we got spectacularly muddy! MW

260723 ▶▶ leggy, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #1184 of 1618 🔗

Poor brainwashed fools.

260748 ▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #1185 of 1618 🔗

My prediction is that one day they’ll be hiding that post from their timeline. Love the podcast btw!

260584 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 13, #1186 of 1618 🔗

So, Belgium are only testing symptomatic people and processing fewer tests. Result;

“Over the past two weeks, 574.5 infections were confirmed per 100,000 inhabitants, which is a 65% drop compared to the two weeks before. Between 15 and 21 November, an average of 316.4 patients were admitted to hospital, down 34% from the week before”. And, “ From 13 to 19 November, an average of 171.9 deaths occurred per day, marking a 16.2% decrease compared to the week before”.

Send for Columbo because I can’t work it out!

260585 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 12, #1187 of 1618 🔗

It’s all part of the con, testing asymptomatic people. It’s something we’ve never done like in the history of humanity (as far as I’m aware).

260605 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Anothersceptic2, 20, #1188 of 1618 🔗

It also happened in 2009:

https://twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013/status/1330555211761422336?s=20

And this photo from a recent anti-lockdown protest:
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260588 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1189 of 1618 🔗

So.. Is this cold and flu?

260589 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #1190 of 1618 🔗

And staffing levels go up in hospitals and less in Covid wards as a %. Testing has been at the centre of this madness since day 1.

260592 ▶▶ annie, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #1191 of 1618 🔗

I do wonder about the person who ends up nine-tenths dead each day.

260616 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to annie, 3, #1192 of 1618 🔗

That’ll be me. Well it’s what I feel like.

260625 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 13, #1193 of 1618 🔗

I’ve said it for months — stop testing asymptomatic people and lower the cycle threshold of the PCR test down to 25 max and the “pandemic” is over and we’re back to regular cold and flu season.

260586 Two-Six, 3, #1194 of 1618 🔗

Corey Morningstar talking about The Great Reset on 21stcentury wire with Patrick from the UK Column live now:
https://www.alternatecurrentradio.com/

260590 Ben, replying to Ben, 16, #1195 of 1618 🔗

‘We are being conditoned to believe that our freedom is no longer a right.

It is merely a reward to be earned by obediently adhering to the latest non-sensical government regulations.’

– Bob Moran

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1329554008420331526?s=20

260598 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 6, #1196 of 1618 🔗

It could another way, if we don’t want to be conditioned

260599 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1197 of 1618 🔗

work another way

260618 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, #1198 of 1618 🔗

He makes his feelings pretty clear doesn’t he!

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1330562514309042176

260631 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to leggy, 1, #1199 of 1618 🔗

In fact, he makes them REALLY clear.

https://unrollthread.com/t/1330562373917274113/

260649 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, #1200 of 1618 🔗

Love that. Cheered me up in fact

260601 Pennyb, replying to Pennyb, 39, #1201 of 1618 🔗

Took a trip into my local city Exeter today, as my son wanted to see how empty it was. What a sad sight. So many shops completely empty never to return. This whole situation could have been avoided and I feel so sorry for those who have been thrown into a financial and mental crisis because of this governments actions. It is simply time to end this utter nonsense and allow people to get on with their lives. 😡

260661 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Pennyb, 4, #1202 of 1618 🔗

Every single town and city looks the same. It’s heartbreaking. Must be the same all over the world.

260773 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to leggy, 5, #1203 of 1618 🔗

I was in Toronto for the last time as a resident packing our things the other week. As we drove through the downtown area everything looked “normal.” But I realized it’s merely a facade. Sure, the stadium buildings are still there, the office towers have lights on, restaurant placards are still adhered to their premises, the GoodLife Fitness neon sign is still on, etc. but the doors are all locked and nothing is going on inside. The city veneer is still there, but for how long? It breaks my heart, especially since Toronto is locked down again as of tomorrow which will be the death knell for evermore businesses. We sold our place and are out now because I can’t bear to see it lose more value and to see the city I love deteriorate. This story is repeating itself all over the world and it disgusts me.

260606 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 12, #1204 of 1618 🔗

What a shallow bunch of crooks who run the government, silly me I thought all the obsessive, lunatic, nutter’s running the country were doing it to save lives and protect the vulnerable…. NOT Christmas…
Telegraph Headline. Christmas bonus Ministers agree UK-wide plan to allow four households to mix for five days
The leaders of all four home nations have agreed that the same rules will apply in every part of the country between December 24 to 28
By Gordon Rayner

Pathetic.

260610 ▶▶ annie, replying to cloud6, 5, #1205 of 1618 🔗

What? Dungford and the Poison Witch will allow people to see people?
I am gobsmacked.

260615 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to annie, #1206 of 1618 🔗

6 to 24 Yippee!!!!!

260614 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to cloud6, 6, #1207 of 1618 🔗

Wonder what the secret is, shutting a ‘deadly’ virus down for days, just like that.

260623 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #1208 of 1618 🔗

It shows it’s all about control not a virus

260627 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1209 of 1618 🔗

Just have to negotiate with it. Boris ” So listen Coroni what can we offer you to have a week off over Christmas ? ”
” Ok it’s a deal you have a week off over Christmas then you can have double bubble over the New Year holiday”

260673 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to cloud6, 6, #1210 of 1618 🔗

So how are lockdown zealots reacting to this? Surely any opening up is sure to lead to one death at least and if we live in a time when if it saves one life it has to be enforced.

They must be livid. Surely they’ll cancel their own Christmas now out of concern for society. Or maybe just tell granny to stay away?

This shit is absolute nonsense isn’t it?

260777 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to cloud6, #1211 of 1618 🔗

I think they realise they’re close to losing control of the situation, so ease off a bit then clamp down again after. Our job is to speak truth, resist and ignore.

260607 annie, replying to annie, 14, #1212 of 1618 🔗

Was looking at some of Bob Moran’s brilliant cartoons on Twitter.
Bob loathes masks. With the result that the worst creatures of slime come up from the depths of the Twittersewer to deliver comments like this one:

“Just so you know, I will be blocking anti-maskers from now on. How can wearing one NOT work? Even if they’re only 1% effective in stopping passing on #COVID19 it’s worth it. Grow up.”

I’m sure Bob will be most happy to be blocked by this poison zombie.

260613 ▶▶ leggy, replying to annie, 6, #1213 of 1618 🔗

Unfortunately, people like that just need to be left inside their own echo box. They have no grasp on reality, no ear for science and no perspective.

260620 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to leggy, 18, #1214 of 1618 🔗

I just wish they weren’t the majority. I’d gladly leave them in their echo chamber if they weren’t controlling the lives of the rest of us. I’ve never loathed my fellow human beings to this degree.

260622 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1215 of 1618 🔗

I don’t think they are a majority, just the loudest. But I agree with your last point, especially my former employer from personal experience.

260708 ▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1216 of 1618 🔗

Lisa, you need to get in contact with my mother in law. She flysheet back to Toronto on Tuesday, and she is in need of local fellow sceptics. Retired nurse in missasaga. She is on board but family not so much, well that side of the pond anyway.

260760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to wayno, 4, #1217 of 1618 🔗

I should perhaps change my name to Lisa formerly of Toronto! We moved the last of our things from our condo in the city to our country home which is now our permanent home. Mississauga is around 1.5 hours from where I now live, but we’re very happy to have visitors so long as they know it’s a mask-free zone here!

260769 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1218 of 1618 🔗

More moral support from fellow contrymen.

260888 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to wayno, #1219 of 1618 🔗

Every sceptic counts! We could use all the help we can get. Not much overt scepticism in Canada, unfortunately.

260795 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to leggy, 1, #1220 of 1618 🔗

The problem is that they will be rewarded for their virtue signalling with little faces and ticks and the resulting dopamine hit further reinforces the drone repeating the behaviour.

260663 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to annie, 3, #1221 of 1618 🔗

How can wearing one NOT work?

Yes, indeed. Head scratcher that.

260672 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to annie, #1222 of 1618 🔗

A face farce is probably the unfunniest play of all time.

260880 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to annie, 1, #1223 of 1618 🔗

Sounds like a government shill to me or the 77th!

260609 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 17, #1224 of 1618 🔗

Heard Maajid Nawaz on LBC. He begins his show at 1pm with a 15 minute monologue. Today he started with the words “I’m a sceptic”. Nothing really new if you read these pages. He concentrated on the Mail article and the govt tweet accusing it of misleading information.

260655 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #1225 of 1618 🔗

He’s been excellent. His core is freedom and doesn’t matter what is being put out there, he knows this smells foul.

260612 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 32, #1226 of 1618 🔗

Out today, seafront, buzzing, never seen it so busy, coffee vans doing a roaring trade, not a muzzle in sight. We have not lost.

260624 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1227 of 1618 🔗

Nice to hear. Where was it out of interest?

260632 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to DRW, 4, #1228 of 1618 🔗

south coast, few miles west of Worthing

260639 ▶▶▶▶ Old Mum, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1229 of 1618 🔗

Yes, was near there yesterday – loads of people about, playground busy, infamous cafe in Goring been busy throughout, lots of kite surfers too.

260662 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Old Mum, 5, #1230 of 1618 🔗

A fair sprinkling of silver surfers as well I hope? There’s a few of us left..

260629 D B, replying to D B, 13, #1231 of 1618 🔗

Had a glorious, life-affirming day out in Greenwich by the Cutty Sark today, the crowds were huge of people just out, maskless and having a good time. Exactly the boost I needed. Anyone London based I highly recommend it. An absolute joy.

260787 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to D B, 1, #1232 of 1618 🔗

Lovely to hear that. I too had a lovely day out yesterday in good company and the only mask was – upsettingly – discarded by a road in an otherwise beautiful spot.

Thinking of hitting London during an upcoming weekend (not using public transport of course!) so hope my experience is as joyous as yours.

260920 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #1233 of 1618 🔗

Make sure you get down to Greenwich it was heaving, I’ve only seen crowds like that milling about before stadium events.

260634 Dylan Jones, 10, #1234 of 1618 🔗

Anyone suggested Billy Idol’s “Eyes without a Face” yet?

“Such a human waste.
your eyes without a face,
got no human grace
your eyes without a face”

Billy Idol – Eyes Without A Face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OFpfTd0EIs

260638 sam, replying to sam, 12, #1235 of 1618 🔗

today i was very dis couraged , i went over to a group of bikers[ bicycle one s] not wearing masks excited to talk to fellow sceptics , said i’m so glad youre not wearing masks! jsut sullen looks , tried again still sullen silence , so then figured out maybe these arent my fellow free thinkers after all ,a nd said .. you’re for masks? one finally spoke up sulllenly said yes , no smile . so i said i should have realized and laughed a little nervous laugh and crossed the street feeling very embarrassed .
but … i just now met a true fellow sceptic such a smart person he also says no one will listen to him either and said its going to get a lot worse .

so many people here are doing somehting -like arnie , i t’s inspiring , i havent done anything except for trying to find out if people are also against masks lockdowns vaccines .is like joining the resistance here , is inspiring

260960 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to sam, 2, #1236 of 1618 🔗

Maybe they thought you were an undercover Marshall as they were strictly law breaking by being in a group?

261025 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Fiona Walker, #1237 of 1618 🔗

i wish! but i don’t hold out much hope . too sullen !

260643 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 29, #1238 of 1618 🔗

I think we won already. a) according to the Portuguese High Court the false positives make the PCR tests unusable b) the new guidelines (WHO) saying there is no evidence for asymptomatic spreading. So what is there left?

260647 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to BJJ, 26, #1239 of 1618 🔗

Pigheaded, obdurate adherence to a murderously misguided and failing ambition to enslave the entire human race?

260653 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Hieronimusb, 7, #1240 of 1618 🔗

Sorry I forgot about that

260676 ▶▶▶ Che Strazio, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1241 of 1618 🔗

So pleased to see you here! I have read many of your comments over the years @the slog! Your wise words are most welcomed.

260721 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Che Strazio, 3, #1242 of 1618 🔗

Muchas gracias, thank you. There are many of us who have been watching this storm approach for more than a decade; I have not deserted the Slog but have been unable to comment for some months, not JW’s fault I don’t imagine.

260763 ▶▶▶▶▶ Che Strazio, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1243 of 1618 🔗

Indeed! Many of us called the ‘fan-…’ storm!
JW will always be under attack! Thank you JW for giving us first “free-speech” platform in decades!

260932 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Che Strazio, 1, #1244 of 1618 🔗

Very true, he offered a sanctuary of sanity when there were very few others. I’m not sure if it’s foul play or not, I’ll try to get to the bottom of it. Go well.

260652 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BJJ, #1245 of 1618 🔗

Please can you link to the new guidelines? First I’ve heard about this.

260680 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BJJ, 2, #1247 of 1618 🔗

Thanks BJJ. I think Van Kerkhove got her fingers smacked for speaking out of turn – it would be quite something if WHO had come out with something in writing debunking asymptomatic spread since then. Do post if you remember where you saw it!

260654 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to BJJ, 4, #1249 of 1618 🔗

The end is near and we are coming for them

260717 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #1250 of 1618 🔗

What makes you think that? I am not optimistic.

260725 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to DRW, 9, #1251 of 1618 🔗

Because back in February I felt like I was the only person in the world who felt this way when I couldn’t find a single dissenting voice anywhere now I see them everywhere. You can fool all the people some of the time…

260731 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jakehadlee, #1252 of 1618 🔗

Is there enough though?

260737 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to DRW, 9, #1253 of 1618 🔗

It feels like a change is in the air. I think the 4000 deaths was Covids dodgy dossier. Felt a change since then. We will win this. And when we do we have to ruthless in dealing with the criminals.

260782 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #1254 of 1618 🔗

Cautiously agree, but there are still hardcore pro-lockdownistas out there at all levels and they are still enjoying the power trip.

260792 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 8, #1255 of 1618 🔗

Even in the last two weeks I’ve seen a huge surge in scepticism- I think we are nearing the tipping point when everyone starts pretending they knew it was a lie all along. Most people are incapable of thinking for themselves, so when the weight shifts one way they all go with it.

My main concern now is that we make them all pay – the social media platforms, the BBC, the government, the police. We have a lot of heads to symbolically shave.

260798 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jakehadlee, 8, #1256 of 1618 🔗

I will accept nothing short of heavy custodial sentences for anyone in government, media, police, health and collaborators in the general public. We are talking probably in the neighbourhood of five million people that need to be locked up for decades. Prisons should be a growth industry.

260802 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Richard O, 7, #1257 of 1618 🔗

Oh yes. I think there needs to be an unprecedented wave of legal action. Exponential you might say. And it need to include manslaughter charges and prison time.

260878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #1258 of 1618 🔗

Yep break out those dodgy graphs!

261003 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Richard O, #1259 of 1618 🔗

My preference is to sell them into slavery. Cheaper and more productive.

260830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jakehadlee, #1260 of 1618 🔗

I hope you’re right but this whole saga has been one of many disappointments.

260929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #1261 of 1618 🔗

There are also many common purpose apparatchiks (little Hitlers) to take care of.

260945 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1262 of 1618 🔗

Concentration camp inmates dealt pretty effectively with the Kapos when they got the chance.

260875 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DRW, 10, #1263 of 1618 🔗

DRW the establishment narrative is or rather has broken down. Now the Daily Mail, Telegraph and slowly other MSM are turning against the establishment narrative. That’s pretty big. People are meeting up now and will do so over Christmas and New Year. As this is all built on mass propaganda, fake news and manufactured hysteria there is only so much they can do to push the agenda. But the truth is emerging thanks to Profs Henegan, Spector and Yeadon and others. Europe is ablaze with demonstrations and marches. That is why here the Govt has to keep doubling down on the restrictions because they are not big enough to admit a serious mistake has been made. Wancock, Johnson, Unbalanced, Witless and Pantsdown are enjoying their power. They will pay. You are going through an incredibly traumatic period in your life but you are young, fit, educated and are on this site for a reason. Look up to the light and the sun and the truth. Don’t look down to hell, it’s not worth it. You will get your life back.

260895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Jo Dominich -, 8, #1264 of 1618 🔗

Yep. Nobel Peace Prize for Yeadon too. Fucking hero of this.

260907 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Jakehadlee, 4, #1265 of 1618 🔗

Yes, he’s one of our great heroes of the resistance!

261091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Jakehadlee, #1266 of 1618 🔗

And Ivor Cummings

260952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1267 of 1618 🔗

Thank you, it’s just very hard to be positive right now, especially with my experiences.

260679 ▶▶ leggy, replying to BJJ, #1268 of 1618 🔗

Can you point me to B please, I must have missed that?

260707 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to BJJ, 1, #1270 of 1618 🔗

Cheers!

260734 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to BJJ, 1, #1271 of 1618 🔗

Bunter et al. will not acknowledge any of this. it goes against their agenda.

260747 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to BJJ, 5, #1272 of 1618 🔗

They will now go all-out to smear and deny the findings on asymptomatic transmissions. It’s an ego thing as much as anything else – nobody want to own up to having spent nearly a year giving stern sermons that were based on a myth.

260772 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 4, #1273 of 1618 🔗

They also have blood on their hands.

260644 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #1274 of 1618 🔗

Hospital Admissions to 22/11/20
This is the key metric, only buggered up by the number of admissions to the covid ward from all the other wards, 20%, 25%, 30%, who knows?
Still, can anyone discern any possible step change from the latest lockdown? What was the point of it? If, there was no impact in introducing it then there will be no impact in unlocking it.

260667 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to NickR, #1275 of 1618 🔗

Much thanks for this.

260650 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 11, #1276 of 1618 🔗

Four households can mingle over five days at Christmas.

This is the Bodgers’ Dispensation, doubly seconded by Wankers, Grovel, Nochance & Shitty.

UK-wide it is to be too, so no salami-slicing will be permitted by the Devolved Despots.

Rejoice.

260671 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Stuart, 6, #1277 of 1618 🔗

Devolved Despots – that one should be in the Devil’s Dictionary.

260678 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Stuart, 12, #1278 of 1618 🔗

So what about New Year’s Eve? Are they gonna cancel that?
If everybody gets out into their town centres for midnight, covid bollocks is over.
It could be the best NYE ever.

260695 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1279 of 1618 🔗

That will happen.

260755 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Stuart, 4, #1280 of 1618 🔗

If only two households mix, can they mingle for twice as long?

260799 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to A. Contrarian, #1281 of 1618 🔗

There will be a jingling beat enforced.

260806 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Stuart, 2, #1282 of 1618 🔗

So the roads are going to be absolute gridlock while people drive from one bit of the country to the other as they only have five days to do it in, some of my relatives are not going to meet up for this exact reason, it will take them hours longer than normal to get to us, so this idea only really works if your family are relatively local to you. So Christmas is still cancelled for many people, even if you dont care about the rules, getting stuck in the mother of all traffic jams on a cold winters day wont be fun, and most wont want to do it.

260816 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tking, 2, #1283 of 1618 🔗

I’m just going to go a couple of days early and come back a couple of days late, not caring about the rules and all, as my first thought was the traffic chaos this will cause.

260657 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1284 of 1618 🔗

7 day average daily positive tests since 25th Oct UK
Why doesn’t the BBC show that on 25th Oct the average cases / 100,000 was 230.6, now it’s at 237.6.
Where’s the questions on this? The highest point was 258.5, FFS!!!!

260754 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NickR, 2, #1285 of 1618 🔗

No, cos cases have fallen innit, which must be because of lockdown.

260674 richard riewer, 3, #1286 of 1618 🔗

They are punishing us for their Globalist sins. Mentally unstable. Very dangerous.

260684 2 pence, 1, #1287 of 1618 🔗

#China : Airport workers not being allowed to leave after someone tested positive for #COVID19 at a working cargo terminal in #Shanghai Pudong Airport

https://twitter.com/GlbBreakNews/status/1330560329886130180

260688 Jo, replying to Jo, 5, #1288 of 1618 🔗

If you want to sleep tonight and not have nightmares, please do not read the Covid-19 repository of the Centre for Data Ethics and Innovation. I found this having perused the Govt Regulation for the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

Just a taster:
Builder.Ai have put together a framework that could help detect spreading, contain the pandemic and ultimately find a way to deliver limited vaccinations (when they become available). The SIGNAL system has three objectives: detect those who are most likely to be infected/affected; detect those most likely to get infected; to provide a guided testing/vaccination path. The system triangulates data based on cellphone towers (so there’s no reliance on smartphones) and creates a ‘propagation network’, creating a map that shows all those that may be at high risk of being infected by an individual who has been found to have the virus. X X Work has been released under creative commons New use case

There are 75 pages under various headings : health and social care, criminal justice, employment, transport. It is clear that social distancing is definitely here to stay, forever and the various AI tools will ensure it’s enforced.

260727 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Jo, 3, #1289 of 1618 🔗

That proposed use of cellphone [mobile] towers: how on earth could that work in an effective way? To be accurately positioned, phone users would need to be in range of three towers all the time. The possibility for erroneous and/or inaccurate positioning is enormous. Not to mention the dystopian aspect of such a system potentially tracking all phone users at all times.

260913 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Tenchy, #1290 of 1618 🔗

And the potential for blowing up such towers

260924 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1291 of 1618 🔗

the phone has an off button – not used widely enough!!

261001 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Sue, 1, #1292 of 1618 🔗

Not totally sure, but I believe that’s useless in preventing tracking. Edward Snowden apparently used to stick his phone in a freezer.

261114 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1293 of 1618 🔗

One can make a Faraday box – wrap phone in cooking foil, place inside a biscuit tin lined with non-conductive material e.g. rags, paper.

260742 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Jo, 5, #1294 of 1618 🔗

I’m a runner. If I turn my GPS on for Strava even set to ‘high accuracy’ it will quite often produce strange wiggly lines when I know I’ve been down a dead straight road, and will not even find the satellites in some spots. Cellphone tower locating is even less accurate and definitely can’t pinpoint a location to the meter, despite what Hollywood would like you to believe.

More basically, I frequently use flight mode to save battery when travelling and at work or if I just want to avoid people.

260951 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #1295 of 1618 🔗

My Garmin once picked up a plane, it was the fastest five miles I ever ran!

260693 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 15, #1296 of 1618 🔗

Does anyone know what has become of the Dolan case? All seems to have gone silent. More to the point, since the supposed guarantee of our civil liberties is that the state has to overcome the highest bar to remove them ( ie public health EMERGENCY) how can the government relax most restrictions over a 5 day period in the future ( and still justify these restrictions now?). What special intelligence does it have now to promise us this ? Without bringing down the whole house of cards? How can any sane person buy any of this tripe anymore? It’s the opposite of logical ( ie you don’t need to be a scientist)

260698 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Telpin, 3, #1297 of 1618 🔗

He’s still awaiting the verdict. He’s not said why he thinks it is taking so long.

260745 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo, 4, #1298 of 1618 🔗

I think they will wait until after Dec 2. Then they can use the same excuse as last time, that they don’t need to take it any further because we’re not in lockdown any more.

260940 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1299 of 1618 🔗

Maybe the judges have concluded that, in law, Simon’s application is justified, but they daren’t admit it.

260699 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Telpin, 6, #1300 of 1618 🔗

They are still waiting for a ruling.

Yes, this shows that the Govt think we are stupid and in many cases they are correct.

260712 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #1301 of 1618 🔗

Depressingly, I have to agree but the biggest disappointment is the lack of pushback from those who do have the intelligence to know better – Starmer and the whole of the so-called opposition have been a disgrace as are universities ( who should be screaming out against the destruction of their students) and the medical profession ( with sone notable exceptions)

260722 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Telpin, 2, #1302 of 1618 🔗

Starmer won’t push back because this all plays into his hands. Others obviously have the wrong sort of intelligence, or lack rigour in their thinking and/or are far too suggestible and fragile when it comes to ‘safety’.

260757 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1303 of 1618 🔗

Labour are finished with the tories.Their lack of opposition will not be forgotten

260861 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1304 of 1618 🔗

Charlie, Stalin Starmer couldn’t give a damn about the impact on the people. He’s as much a charlatan and liar as Johnson only he can keep it in his trousers. Comrade Stalin is only interested in self-aggrandisement and right now, his back is up against the wall on a number of counts. He has no idea what opposition means. He’s only out for himself. He’ll pay the price.

260749 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Telpin, 15, #1305 of 1618 🔗

The universities don’t care as long as they get their money, which they have for this term at least. I know a university lecturer, and it’s a common view that the students are at best an irrelevance and at worst a major inconvenience to the smooth running of academia. A bit like the NHS feels about patients I suppose.

260865 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1306 of 1618 🔗

True oh so true! Keep repeating it. The lecturers aren’t working from home, they’re on a nice fully paid jolly.

260824 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Telpin, 2, #1307 of 1618 🔗

Starmer was never going to push back : his role is as the alternative establishment shill. Early on he bowed to the Board of Deputies, one of the key front organisations for establishment interests masquerading under a a particular religious identity.

260867 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, 1, #1308 of 1618 🔗

He is about to pay for his obsession with the BoD though.

260841 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Telpin, 3, #1309 of 1618 🔗

Starmer = Trilateral Commission = Rockefeller

260700 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 37, #1311 of 1618 🔗

BRASILIA (Reuters) – Brazil does not intend to draw up legislation that would exempt makers of COVID-19 vaccines from liability, the country’s deputy health minister Elcio Franco said on Thursday.”

Nice!

260704 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #1312 of 1618 🔗

Let’s hope they stick to their guns.

260817 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1313 of 1618 🔗

They were hit hard with Thalidomide. It was still used for years after it became a problem in Europe.

260936 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1314 of 1618 🔗

That is a very powerful non-move.

261052 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, #1315 of 1618 🔗

Brave!!

260702 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 7, #1316 of 1618 🔗

Nice to hear Mr Sunak telling the UK population how we may be able to celebrate Christmas if we behave. Is he a Christian?

260710 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Eddy, 15, #1317 of 1618 🔗

Is that what the unelected ‘Sage’ told him was acceptable?
Perhaps someone should tell him that Christmas is a celebration of the birth of our Saviour Jesus Christ. It is not in his gift to ”cancel” or ”allow” its celebration.

260785 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 5, #1318 of 1618 🔗

No indeed.
But the Coward Covid Church will cancel it. No packed churches, no mangers, no carol services, no Nativity plays, no joy, no Christ.
Jesus will not be in the churches this Christmas.

260854 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 1, #1319 of 1618 🔗

Old folks homes in some areas aren’t allowed Christmas trees – cos infection risk

261051 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, #1320 of 1618 🔗

WTF?
Who are these people? What qualifications can they possibly claim to have?

260892 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to annie, 1, #1321 of 1618 🔗

He hasn’t been in some of those churches for years…

261050 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 1, #1322 of 1618 🔗

Well Diwali was not allowed during this recent mockdown and of course they instigated the local travesties just as Ramadan was about to begin.

Sunak’s business is called Theleme, so I’ll leave you to decide what his preferred religion might be.

260719 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Eddy, 7, #1323 of 1618 🔗

He’s a Hindu. He was telling his co-religionists only last week to soft peddle on Dwhali celebrations. (Excuse any mis-spelling)

260728 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Eddy, 9, #1324 of 1618 🔗

I don’t see what difference it makes. People of all faiths and none should be free to associate with whomever, whenever they wish.

260716 Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 32, #1325 of 1618 🔗

People are turning. Someone who I know was a hard pro-lockdownista a few months ago now perfectly happy to break rules. I know what shops I can buy maskless with impunity.

I’m starting to entertain fantasies of just how silly some people are going to look in a few months and how they’re going to franticly ‘curate’ their social media history to avoid becoming a laughing stock.

260735 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 22, #1326 of 1618 🔗

No one is coming to save us. Things have to get this bad (and much worse yet) in order for people to learn the lesson that the power is with us, not the politicians or the media. Even though everything still looks terribly bleak, the fact that the entire power structure is offering absolutely no hope for anything other than a dystopian nightmare future is slowly changing minds, one by one.

We also have to accept that large numbers of people will never get it, and for many of us this will include family and friends. They will pay an appalling price for their wilful ignorance.

260740 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, 7, #1327 of 1618 🔗

Don’t you think the vaccine is now the big hope for a lot of those people? It will keep them quiet over this winter for sure.

260783 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1328 of 1618 🔗

If anyone is hoping for a vaccine, then they must be given up as lost. It has already been made perfectly clear that none of the regulations will ever be lifted and that many more vaccines will be required in the years ahead.

260935 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1329 of 1618 🔗

Yes indeed. That idea was planted in the collective unconscious mind many months ago. No return to normality ‘until we have a vaccine’.
But that notion of a return to the old normal is delusional.

The masks and the social distancing will stay in place indefinitely and the lockdown itself will last at least 3 months into the new year.

260764 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Richard O, 7, #1330 of 1618 🔗

I hear you, but my experience with this individual was such a watershed moment based on their prior views that it seemed really significant.

260851 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 4, #1331 of 1618 🔗

Hang on to it. It’s a positive.

260850 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard O, 3, #1332 of 1618 🔗

Please don’t depress us more – it is bad enough already for some of us.

260774 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 10, #1333 of 1618 🔗

We need to focus our anger on the culprits not the deceived, no matter that their lack of critical thinking has made the job of our oppressors easier.

260775 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1334 of 1618 🔗

Very true, will admit even I was guilty of a few moments of misjudgement before I saw the light. How to hold the genuinely powerful to account though?

260922 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 3, #1335 of 1618 🔗

With persistent and unswerving honesty and good intentions.

260801 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 8, #1336 of 1618 🔗

Most of the lockdown zealots I know of break the rules. They’re the biggest hypocrites. Then there’s Neil Ferguson et al

260720 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 59, #1337 of 1618 🔗

All this talk of what we’re‘allowed’ to do over Christmas misses the point. The fact that government ministers can talk about the possibility of social mixing snd easing of restrictions over that period proves that there’s no real threat now ( if this truly was a deadly virus that threatened to overrun the whole health system) do you think they’d be suggesting it at all. Their cover is blown – THAT should be the headline- and the only headline

260730 ▶▶ mari, replying to Telpin, 28, #1338 of 1618 🔗

Using what you say, their cover was blown months ago. The fact that most of the populace haven’t cottoned on to that (or are silent about it) just beggars belief

260807 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to mari, 15, #1339 of 1618 🔗

That is what’s so difficult to accept. People I know and love with all my heart being taken in by this shite to such an extent that they won’t visit, share, hug or believe me. Belief in Covidism and/or following government rules is more important than love of family, friends, democracy and civil liberties. I can only cope by hanging on to the thought ‘they know not what they do’.

260810 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Andrea Salford, 12, #1340 of 1618 🔗

Belief in Covidism and/or following government rules is more important than love of family, friends, democracy and civil liberties.

Very well put. They have lost everything already, and will never get any of it back. Their future is desperately bleak whatever the eventual outcome of this nightmare.

260736 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Telpin, 23, #1341 of 1618 🔗

I know a couple of people who are convinced that if they let us out at Christmas, they will never get us back in, for that exact reason. It will all be exposed as a lie. I really hope they’re right.

260746 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 26, #1342 of 1618 🔗

Lockdown after Christmas is nailed on.They have only let us out because it is unenforceable over the festive period.If only people would realise their power. this would be over now

260811 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #1343 of 1618 🔗

I know they will try. What I mean is that more and more people just won’t do it.

260941 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1344 of 1618 🔗

I hope so I’m so sick of the whole charade.Just want people to wake up

260768 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Telpin, 10, #1345 of 1618 🔗

They are doubtless already cooking up some graphs (scenarios, not predictions though) to ‘prove’ that it’s caused deadly mayhem.

It’s let the cat out of the bag though. People will probably take a day or two to get over their learned terror, and then realise that they’ve not all died from sharing the mulled wine, and once they’ve had that taste of freedom it will be much harder to give it up again. And it proves that for all the power they might claim to have, they still fear public opinion.

260950 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 2, #1346 of 1618 🔗

They won’t need a predication now. Just the threat of rising cases will be be enough because the public believe already that lockdown has kept things under control. They won’t want to “undo all our good work at this time of year when the NHS is always stretched”

260770 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to Telpin, 39, #1347 of 1618 🔗

The only headline I’m really interested in at this point, will be when our fat slob of a dictator and his gormless buck-toothed concubine finally retreat to the bunker and blow their fucking brains out.

260776 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Alexei, 3, #1348 of 1618 🔗

If only.

260825 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alexei, 6, #1349 of 1618 🔗

They’ll have to find their brains first. Difficult job.

260857 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Alexei, 2, #1350 of 1618 🔗

Can I get an amen!

260896 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Alexei, 3, #1351 of 1618 🔗

If brains were dynamite he wouldn’t have enough to blow his hat off…if brains were chocolate he wouldn’t have enough to fill a smartie….come on everyone…any more for any more…

260942 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Alexei, 1, #1352 of 1618 🔗

Where’s the Red army when you need it?

260784 ▶▶ l835, replying to Telpin, 15, #1353 of 1618 🔗

The only thing there isn’t a real threat to now is the dictatorship. After 9 months the public have become conditioned to it and accept it as normal. I think most people actually feel safer with restrictions, and masks are the new security blankets. The future is a very lonely place for those who don’t comply.

260791 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to l835, 13, #1354 of 1618 🔗

I do not expect to survive this, but if I can make it out of here without having submitted to the vaccine then it will be mission accomplished.

260826 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 16, #1355 of 1618 🔗

We are all blinkin’ well going to survive this. Every sceptic life is precious, because it’s one human life to every hundred zombie non-lives.
For the sake if humanity, you’ve GOT to come through this. No ducking out. Orders. End of.

260842 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 3, #1356 of 1618 🔗

If we lose then there will be no place for us anymore.

260891 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 7, #1357 of 1618 🔗

We will only lose when we give up. And we won’t surrender!

261121 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #1358 of 1618 🔗

I wouldn’t miss the doomsayers.

260853 ▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Richard O, 13, #1359 of 1618 🔗

There is a lot more resistance out there than you might think. I’ve taken a look at the NHS facebook group against vaccines, they’ve got 2000 members now and a typical comment in the group is getting 200 replies. And if you think we’re sceptic, they blow us out of the water.

The problem is getting these pockets of sceptism together somehow, we need a critical mass.

260879 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dickyboy, 3, #1360 of 1618 🔗

They are more sceptical than us? No freekin way. Not possible.

260889 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to dickyboy, 2, #1361 of 1618 🔗

Is it a closed group?

I’d like to read the comments to get a flavour of opinion.

261037 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dickyboy, 1, #1362 of 1618 🔗

Here’s a group that aims to unite the dissenters:

https://www.covid19assembly.org/volunteer

Give them what support you can.

260797 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Telpin, 10, #1363 of 1618 🔗

The stupid sheeple in face masks who cross the pavement to avoid people are unable to understand how they’re being lied to. Perhaps they really believe the virus is on holiday for five days

260859 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Telpin, 2, #1364 of 1618 🔗

If that were true, there would be no need for them to tell us what to do … and, indeed, there isn’t now.

260915 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Telpin, 3, #1365 of 1618 🔗

no word on whether shops can hold Boxing day sales-now that would be tricky to social distance

260732 DThom, replying to DThom, 15, #1366 of 1618 🔗

Out for a walk on the seafront today. Ran into someone I had not seen for months.
Took the opportunity to raise the subject of what next. Was I correct to say that deaths from the virus were only 19th on the list of causes?

260789 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DThom, 4, #1367 of 1618 🔗

24th if I remember correctly when Desmond Swayne spoke in Parliament

260813 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Ben, 1, #1368 of 1618 🔗

19th in England 24th in Wales if memory serves me correct

260815 ▶▶ Mark, replying to DThom, 2, #1369 of 1618 🔗

I think that number was the one given for September, but not correct for now. Here’s what the latest ONS release says:

In October 2020, the coronavirus (COVID-19) was the third most common cause of death in both England and Wales. For comparison, in September 2020 COVID-19 was the 19th most common cause of death registered in England and the 24th most common in Wales. Despite the rise of deaths due to COVID-19 in October 2020, the rate of deaths due to COVID-19 remained significantly lower than the mortality rates of the first and second ranked leading causes of death (dementia and Alzheimer’s disease and ischaemic heart diseases respectively) ” [emphasis added]

Monthly mortality analysis, England and Wales: October 2020

260828 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 2, #1370 of 1618 🔗

So in one month it leaped from 19th/24th to third?
Whaaaaaaaat?

260836 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 4, #1371 of 1618 🔗

Precisely. Literally unbelievable.

I think that if we look at the normal prevalence of mortality causation (usually fairly stable), we will again see some quite incredible anomalies.

The only thing that surprises me is that the ONS hasn’t blown a whistle at an obvious glaring statistical anomaly.

260909 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to RickH, 1, #1372 of 1618 🔗

Collaborating execs probably.

260944 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 1, #1373 of 1618 🔗

In an organisation with stats in its name they won’t have missed it that’s for sure. More suspicion of an agenda. They would have protocols, or smoke tests of a kind, to flag up such anomolies and have processes of approval for anything that falls outside a measure of acceptability. This will be automated in their processes.

The lack of flu on the list will also be flagged for sure.

261008 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1374 of 1618 🔗

More suspicion of an agenda”

No – not with the ONS, which has provided the best data we have in what is an impossible situation of government obfuscation.

They are subject to the same problems that we have with government/PHE/NHS stats, and can’t just dismiss what they’re handed.

Without the ONS, there would be no insight at all into what is going on – flagged up by the all-cause mortality weekly data.

It’s no solution to dismiss everything as a simply collaborative fix, or you end up with an indiscriminate morass of suspicion and no evidence.

260843 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to annie, 7, #1375 of 1618 🔗

Remember they are counting flu and pneumonia deaths in that – so flu doesn’t exist this year clever eh?

260837 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 4, #1376 of 1618 🔗

In October 2020, the coronavirus (COVID-19) was the third most common cause of death in both England and Wales.”

I think we can smell ‘case’-ology at work here : i.e. every death with a PCR+ label counted as a ‘Covid death’. ‘Terminally injured by a passing bus’? Covid!

260848 ▶▶ John P, replying to DThom, 4, #1377 of 1618 🔗

19th? 24th? To be quite honest I’m not sure you can with certainty say either!

Many people have been alleged to have died with the virus, but how many have died of the virus is not known. Far less, clearly.

260983 ▶▶▶ Cheshire Andy, replying to John P, 2, #1378 of 1618 🔗

Alleged is correct. Died within 28 days of a positive PCR Test (after correction applied, and only done after the majority of deaths), no doubt run to 40 or 45 cycles and is therefore meaningless. In any case no virus kills anyone, it is the persons’ reaction to it, and usually only a tiny minority suffer a severe adverse reaction and die. The concept that viruses are out to get us needs to be dispelled, as does the whole concept of viruses, which is in the process of being (slowly) supplanted by what are called exosomes.

260885 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to DThom, 2, #1379 of 1618 🔗

In September for sure, not up to date on October stats.

260739 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 18, #1380 of 1618 🔗

The government wants you back in Lockdown III for the duration of the Crashout Implementation Period commencing on January 1st.

Food imports from the Continent by HGV freight traffic are expected to be at no more than 40% of this year’s level and food shortages can therefore be confidently predicted. Home-grown produce cannot be adequately substituted, it being the wrong time of year for the growing season.

You will expend less energy and need less food if you remain in your homes.

260751 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Stuart, 22, #1381 of 1618 🔗

Food shortages have been on the cards as one of the weapons to weaken us, so Brexit will come in handy for the UK government in this regard. I’m also expecting power outages, fuel shortages and an internet blackout. Perhaps even a complete collapse of the global financial system. All that matters to our enemy is the vaccine, and they will stop at nothing to inject every single one of us. There are no grey areas here, the state either wants us to be a completely compliant slave or dead.

260793 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 9, #1382 of 1618 🔗

The destruction is planned and evil. Euphemistically described as a ‘Reset’. Politicians, the police, journalists, the media all complicit

260838 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 9, #1383 of 1618 🔗

The destruction is planned.”

No, I don’t agree with that. The policies are certainly very destructive and unnecessary, but planned in advance? No.

Those here who suggest that it was all planned seem to also think that those doing this planning are super intelligent. However, this destruction benefits nobody. Nobody. So not very intelligent, really is it?

I tire of these evidence-free defeatist assertions.

However, if you have genuine proof that it was all planned then provide it.

260840 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 3, #1384 of 1618 🔗

I think Giles Brandreth did it. It’s all his idea.

261027 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1385 of 1618 🔗

Giles Brandreth? What you smokin’?

260899 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to John P, 4, #1386 of 1618 🔗

I want to be convinced of your reading of this vs Jamie’s post. So locally (UK) I reason that our governments f up’d and over reacted and are struggling to back down. But then, I can’t get past the following:
A) if above correct, why don’t they just start changing the narrative to the MSM using actual data and science – ‘we’ve beaten it’, ‘it’s under control’, ‘we’re on our way out’, ‘numbers are down’, ‘immunity is 6 months at least’, ‘asymptomatic not infectious’ ‘no risk to under 70’, ‘no conspiracy’, ‘vaccine will not be mandatory or rushed’, ‘we’re heroes’ etc? …….also
B) how did every other EU+ government and USA f up to the same hysteria and reaction?
Or
C) Can every ‘democratic’ government really be hostage to the various bodies that see the ‘virus’ as an opportunity (Trojan Horse) for their mandate (BLM, trans, cancel culture, Marxism, Great Reset and Climate change) and here is that why Labour are supporting the government (to trash the economy then Labour/Marxists ride to the rescue 🤮)?
The only comfort I take is that should C) be the case then ultimately it will fail given the inevitable clash of agenda. Just pity the price we all pay in the meantime.

260963 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1387 of 1618 🔗

I share much of your analysis and your puzzlement. Some comments:

– We do know that pandemic gaming has been the subject of various international conferences. So some people will have been thinking through their strategies, not least Big Pharma. I think there was already an unhealthy synergy between a big Lharma, epidemiologists, the medical establishment and health ministries.

– There is no doubt that the Left everywhere have seized on the pandemic to further their own aims, especially in the USA where it was seen as vital to protecting Biden from scrutin and providing a weapon to be used against Trump.

– It is difficult to see the modern Conservative Party as anything other than two parties in uneasy coalition: firstly, a kind of provincial Poujadist element (pro Brexit, anti mass immigration, anti PC values,pro SMEs, the self employed and aspirational workers) and secondly, a much stronger globalist wing (pro Big Tech and big business, pro green economics, pro mass immigration and pro PC ideology).

It seems BJ posed as a Poujadist to win the leadership but is firmly in the globalist camp, along with Greta-worshipping Gove and super-capitalist Sunak. So they are following the globalist line on Covid.

261017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1388 of 1618 🔗

It’s very simple . but neither positions you mention is correct.
1, the Reset Plan has been decades in the design .
2, it’s part of a much greater entity of evolving change all directed via the UN – the sustainability agenda .
3, the trigger point for it was the hidden melt down in the global economy last September – the so called “repo” crisis , Globally banks essentially stopped refinancing each others debt.
4, various inter govt bodies etc have been “scenario planning” much of these events for a number of years eg ID 2020 etc
5, you need to understand how the structures of the UN World Bank, IMF , BIS WHO etc all relate to world events , who controls them and the massive unseen influence they wield .
6, it all kicks off when the WHO (please research the governing structure of this most corruptible institution) declared the “pandemic”
7, every country more or less is a signatory to the IHR, as such they are then obliged to implement their own IPPP.
8, each country ,as bound by the IHR, has already constructed a team of “advisers/experts” to carry out the analysis of the “known facts” and then fine tune the national response in accordance with it’s IPPP. ie Ferguson magics up the scary numbers which then give the govt/civil service carte blanche to implement the IPPP.
9, the end comes ONLY when the WHO declares “pandemic over” until then the govts are legally bound to keep the circus going and this provides cover for far reaching social change and can be maintained for as long as necessary until the objectives have been met.
10, when you look into the murky world of who pays for what who influences what , and who pays who only then do you see what is really going on.There is a consensus amongst the so-called elites that the system, the world simply cannot go on as it is – there isn’t time here to go into all that now.
The politicians know the agenda is to fundamentally change society, they are all fully signed up or they wouldn’t be in their roles. The problem is they can’t tell the people , so what do they do ? They arrange to bring about that change by subterfuge. This may sound far fetched but people need to explore some of this themselves to be convinced.
The domestic politics is simply one tribe tussling for control of the future so they can direct domestic policy against another – not ONE of them is interested in fighting against it , I repeat the politicians are to a man convinced this is TINA .

260921 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to John P, 2, #1389 of 1618 🔗

You don’t agree, John. Fair enough. But we can say what we want, can’t we?

260925 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 3, #1390 of 1618 🔗

The head of the ECB and the Chancellor are both on record advocating digital currencies.The collapse of sterling is inevitable.£895 QE so far.Massive shortfall in tax receipts next year plus huge new commitments.The only way to plug the gap is to keep printing
The people in charge of the financial system are not stupid.Therefore it can only be deliberate.

260926 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1391 of 1618 🔗

£895 billion

261109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1392 of 1618 🔗

If I’d scrolled down, I would have missed the chance to be a smartarse … 🙂

261108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1393 of 1618 🔗

£895 QE so far.

Doesn’t sound that bad. In fact, I could pick up the tab myself, and we could all live happily ever after. 🙂

260906 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ben, #1394 of 1618 🔗

Father Alexis Bugnolo

https://youtu.be/5VwnB88WvzE

260905 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard O, 4, #1395 of 1618 🔗

The collapse of the financial system is the purpose of lockdown.They are already planning digital currencies out in the open now.

261020 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1396 of 1618 🔗

It’s certainly one of the reasons, govt digital currencies is all in the pipeline.

260979 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Richard O, 1, #1397 of 1618 🔗

Absolutely correct .
Most people seem wilfully oblivious to the pressing danger.

260752 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Stuart, 9, #1398 of 1618 🔗

Crowd control.

260781 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Stuart, 10, #1399 of 1618 🔗

Lockdowns = Crimes against humanity

‘Italians lined up for a piece of bread, this is the reality. All this is intolerable, unworthy Conte government!’

https://twitter.com/RadioSavana/status/1330552218601353222?s=20

260839 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Stuart, 5, #1400 of 1618 🔗

Yep and Nabarro at WHO has said Europe is at threat of a third wave if restrictions are lifted too quicky. What are these people on that produce such delusional thinking?

260871 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stuart, 3, #1401 of 1618 🔗

Ports clogged up with 11,000 containers full of PPE with nowhere to go.

260803 Joseph Collins, replying to Joseph Collins, 26, #1402 of 1618 🔗
260834 ▶▶ annie, replying to Joseph Collins, 14, #1403 of 1618 🔗

This is big.This is HUGE.
These murderers may yet get their come-uppance.
Back this case!

260918 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to annie, 3, #1404 of 1618 🔗

It’s always been the smoking gun, PCR a close second. Hancock in jail.

260856 ▶▶ Joseph Collins, replying to Joseph Collins, #1405 of 1618 🔗

I meant JR not JFR.

260933 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Joseph Collins, 2, #1406 of 1618 🔗

Who shot…?

260993 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Joseph Collins, 1, #1407 of 1618 🔗

Heard Cathy on Radio 4 the other day – very calm and determined. Have supported.

260808 stevie119, replying to stevie119, 18, #1408 of 1618 🔗

We went to the local KFC about 90 minutes ago and it was quite encouraging. There were 11 people in there waiting. 8 masked but 4 happily barefaced. Then a small lady plod came in – masked – and didn`t say a word.

260814 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to stevie119, 11, #1409 of 1618 🔗

If KFC with its vile, greasy pseudo-chicken is deemed essential, and therefore allowed to stay open, then surely so is the pub. Or am I missing something here?

260831 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Richard O, 9, #1410 of 1618 🔗

It’s not that bad! If you don’t like it then you don’t have to have it.

I really don’t understand your posting this comment. The more shops that are open the better. Or would you prefer the KFC was shut as well?

Don’t worry, if it was up to me then there would be no lockdown and never would have been any lockdown.

260901 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to John P, 4, #1411 of 1618 🔗

Of all the fast food outlets , I’d have to say that KFC is one I haven’t frequented in the last 10 years even when four sheets to the wind.

260917 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1412 of 1618 🔗

Never had one but I did find on You Tube an archived What’s My Line with Col Sanders! Those What’s My Line progs can be quite engrossing. Lots of famous people not just film stars but Eleanor Roosevelt, Salvador Dali and so on. Also there’s an amazing one with a 95 year old guy who witnessed the assassination of Abraham Lincoln as a six year old.

260884 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richard O, 3, #1413 of 1618 🔗

Big junk food like big pharma, can’t have 1 without the other

260934 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to stefarm, 4, #1414 of 1618 🔗

They sell you crap food to make you ill then sell you crap drugs to make you better, but that’s freedom, people can choose their own risks and I know I drink too much so even though I won’t ever eat KFC, if others enjoy it, great.

260991 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #1415 of 1618 🔗

Agree. O makes a good point why are massive tax avoiders deemed essential and pubs and restaurants that serve a community not.

Damn, I’ve answered my own question

260844 ▶▶ leggy, replying to stevie119, 8, #1416 of 1618 🔗

That’s why plod always turn up in numbers if they have something to say. They’re cowards.

260818 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #1417 of 1618 🔗
261029 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1418 of 1618 🔗

“How can you close Speakers’ Corner? It’s a place!”

Good for him.

260820 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 74, #1419 of 1618 🔗

The latest findings from China on the lack of evidence for asymptomatic transfer of the virus.

The Danish RCT on masks not proving definitive either way.

The introduction of lateral flow tests in Liverpool which brought its numbers right down, now being rolled out across the country.

The fact that numbers were decreasing before lockdown 2.

The increasing scepticism of some sections of the MSM.

The emergence of the CRG, threatening Boris and Hancock.

The increased exposure on MSM of Heneghan, Yeadon, Cummins etc.

The departure of Cummings.

The weekly publication, for the first time since March, of NHS statistics on critical care bed occupancy.

The massive discrepancy between reality and Whitty and Valances’s graph of doom.

The PPE contracts scandals emerging.

The appointments of Harding and Bingham being questioned.

The video where the modeller admits that care homes weren’t shielded.

Just a selection of some uncomfortable events for the government that have occurred during the last couple of weeks.

Yes the rumblings underneath the volcano are increasing by the day. TPTB are struggling to keep the lid on. Won’t be long now before the whole thing blows.

260835 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Margaret, 18, #1420 of 1618 🔗

Let’s hope you’re right.

260845 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Margaret, 17, #1421 of 1618 🔗

Thank you Margaret for a positive post. I for one certainly needed it. Surely even the diehard Covidians can’t hold a straight face much longer.

260852 ▶▶ JYC, replying to Margaret, 28, #1422 of 1618 🔗

I hope you are right, but I would never have believed that the British people could be so supine in their acceptance of such basic denials of what it means to be a human being as we have seen this year.

260869 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to JYC, 8, #1423 of 1618 🔗

I conclude that they are not human beings, and in most cases never were.Dead zombies walking.

260872 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to JYC, 8, #1424 of 1618 🔗

It is rather shocking, I agree.

261013 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JYC, 2, #1425 of 1618 🔗

The power of constant propaganda should never be underestimated.

260862 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, 16, #1426 of 1618 🔗

The avoidance of mass testing by 75% of Liverpudlians.

260903 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1427 of 1618 🔗

More like 95% if you factor in that they are supposed to be doing twice weekly testing on individuals. I don’t believe the LTR* government has given figures for individuals tested.

Lying Toe Rag

260868 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Margaret, 9, #1428 of 1618 🔗

lets add in the study on prior immunity from other coronaviruses and the study on T cell immunity showing antibodies in blood are not the only part to immunity.

Then there is the protests every where and the obvious lack of compliance with lockdown 2.

260928 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to wendy, 6, #1429 of 1618 🔗

There was a great description of immunity on the world service the other night, by a proper scientist. Your B/T cells are soldiers armed with machine guns. Their bullets are antibodies. The enemy (virus) attacks and your B/T units deploy targeted antibodies until the enemy is destroyed. Then they stop: no point in wasting bullets when the enemy is dead. But you know who they are now and when they come back you can rearm and destroy them again. Apparently it is very expensive for your body to spare the protein required to build antibodies when they are not needed. This is why antibodies are not found several months after infection but immunity remains.

260894 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Margaret, 3, #1430 of 1618 🔗

God, I hope you’re right. The alternative is despair.

261019 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Monty Bodkin, 1, #1431 of 1618 🔗

Never despair! We can do this.

260897 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Margaret, 13, #1432 of 1618 🔗

The laying out of facts by the Mail – facts rooted in scepticism – was another bad development for
the government which then tried to make out they were dangerous Covid deniers. That’s a tricky one for the Bozo team – they need the Mail to maintain the hysteria.

260900 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to OKUK, 7, #1433 of 1618 🔗

I tried to click on the govt tweet claiming the article was misleading but it appears to have been deleted

261030 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, #1435 of 1618 🔗

Yay ! Attack the twats with their own weapons.

260912 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, 4, #1436 of 1618 🔗

Remember, the roll out of lateral flow tests is only somewhat welcome. Mass screening of asymptomatic people is not justified at all.

It may bring down the numbers. Fine. Doesn’t do anything to stop lockdowns, it means they just move to deaths all the time and they still have th 28 days and ability to be suspected Covid. Lockdowns remain.

It also risks the window moving from PCR which is downright fraud.

260955 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Margaret, 3, #1437 of 1618 🔗

Great list. 🙂

261018 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Margaret, 3, #1438 of 1618 🔗

Don’t forget that three QCs recently found lockdown to be illegal.

Constitution Committee Wednesday 18 November 2020
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/31a7c44f-7ae7-44d1-9c56-02478479c860?fbclid=IwAR1dKWLZI14MT93nm7QRrQlN-HDmvuqBViUQqCGiuPBMVATE4bOAIztkPsQ

Scathing criticisms from witnesses: Kirsty Brimelow QC, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers; Lord Sandhurst QC, Former Barrister, One Crown Office Row; Tom Hickman QC, Barrister, Blackstone Chambers

260846 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 23, #1439 of 1618 🔗

Looks like the vaccine roll out will go down well in the US!:
More Than 2/3rds Of Americans Oppose Mandatory COVID-19 Vaccinations | Zero Hedge

260855 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #1440 of 1618 🔗

Should give minging Matt a sleepless night.

260870 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1441 of 1618 🔗

He sleeps?

261011 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #1442 of 1618 🔗

The psycho has no consicence. I’m sure the only thing that keeps him awake is dreaming up new ways to torture us.

260886 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to karenovirus, 4, #1443 of 1618 🔗

Only in the daytime.

261009 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Monty Bodkin, 2, #1444 of 1618 🔗

In a coffin..
Bring on the stake, somebody.

260860 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1445 of 1618 🔗

Only 2/3rds? I would have expected 95% to oppose mandatory.

260877 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Eddy, 6, #1446 of 1618 🔗

The land of the 2/3 free

260864 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 24, #1447 of 1618 🔗

Quote:

Across the world, many are reluctant to take one. These are the results of surveys conducted in the U.S. and western Europe for Deutsche Bank AG. They suggest that politicians may be forced to make vaccinations mandatory, which could make the politics of 2021 very dangerous.

‘forced to make vaccinations mandatory’? Why?And for whom will the politics be dangerous? For the politicians, I hope.

261014 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to annie, 4, #1448 of 1618 🔗

In the UK there are more than 65million of us . There are just over 600 of them (parliament).So why do we fear them ? Because they can command the armed might of the forces and police. But the reason that we fear the vaccine is because it has not been tested long enough to provide a database of short or long term damage and one variant is produced by a collaboration between a company with no prior experience of vaccines and one with an appalling record.
The damage done to our children and grandhildren will not be confined to to us it will also harm the families of the forces policing us . I know it will be difficult to get that concept into the heads of the average police officer, but hopefully it will gradually seep into their consciousness that they too are at risk. Are Boris and other cabinet members going to have their children vaccinated with something that could damage their lifves for however long they are able to survive ? Ditto the vaccine fanatics in the rest of Westminster and in the BBC?

260904 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1449 of 1618 🔗

Similar numbers in Ireland in a recent poll 65% No.

260953 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #1450 of 1618 🔗

Oh dear. Poor totalitarian globalist elite technocrats won’t be happy!

260849 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 2, #1451 of 1618 🔗

Where did we hear that people were irrationally afraid of this disease? Some high numbers of people thinking that there were millions dying?

260858 ▶▶ Liam, replying to BJJ, 5, #1452 of 1618 🔗

Recent poll on conservative woman, check Laura Perrins’ Twitter.

260874 ▶▶ John P, replying to BJJ, 3, #1453 of 1618 🔗
260946 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to John P, #1454 of 1618 🔗

Thanks

260863 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #1455 of 1618 🔗

How do we know that ‘unlocking’ (who says we aren’t in a police state?) us for Christmas won’t lead to lots more hospitalisations & deaths down the line?
We all do! Let’s look at the days before Lockdown. On November 4th 1,664 were admitted to hospital in the UK as Covid patients. 2 weeks later on November 18th 1,740 patients were admitted, a rise of 76. As Chris Whitty will tell you, that 76 was already ‘baked in’ 2 weeks ago, it’s not been affected at all by Lockdown. In the same way that being ‘unlocked’ on November 1st, 2nd, 3rd, didn’t drive increases now nor would being ‘unlocked’ over Christmas drive hospitalisations in mid-January.

260890 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NickR, 10, #1456 of 1618 🔗

I am not locked in, have not been locked in and will not be locked in for Chistmas or any other day.

260898 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 3, #1457 of 1618 🔗

They will still need to take credit for a “working” lockdown. When that doesn’t happen it will be framed as a great success.

260881 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #1458 of 1618 🔗

Resistance in Buffalo, New York – 5 minutes. Great clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI_pkvlp2q4&feature=emb_logo

260919 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 7, #1459 of 1618 🔗

Good for them. The fat pig sounded British.

261005 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 3, #1460 of 1618 🔗

Wow. Standing firmly for their rights!

260882 John P, replying to John P, 59, #1461 of 1618 🔗

Neil Oliver “The Coast Guy”:

“Freedom pass over my rotting corpse.”

“I say again and, pardon my language, but on the subject of a freedom pass and disregarding such, I will go to the mattresses. I shit you not.”

Good man.

260887 ▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 14, #1462 of 1618 🔗

PS: “going to the mattresses”:

“To go to war; to use ruthless tactics; to act without restraint.”

I’m with Neil !

260893 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to John P, 5, #1463 of 1618 🔗

As in the Godfather.

260914 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to John P, 11, #1464 of 1618 🔗

I don’t think so, ‘the mattresses’ means the firing squad. Neil Oliver is a rare and beautiful man.

260956 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1465 of 1618 🔗

He’s referring to the Godfather where the Corleone family prepare for all out war with their enemies.

I think.

260975 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Liam, 3, #1466 of 1618 🔗

It’s possible but the association between mattresses and firing squads goes back a very long time before Mario Puzo’s oeuvre. Whichever, it was exceptionally well said. The symbolism of a firing squad metaphor seems more akin to Neil’s intensely humane disposition.

260989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #1467 of 1618 🔗

I think we can all agree he’s a sound chap regardless.

260902 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to John P, 10, #1468 of 1618 🔗

Me too. That is where I disregard the law or consequences. There is literally nothing I wouldn’t do to fight that.

260916 ▶▶ DRW, replying to John P, 3, #1469 of 1618 🔗

That might just be the limit for most.

260930 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 1, #1470 of 1618 🔗

No way! They’ll be queueing up. It’ll be the latest accessory, like a new iPhone.

260923 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 1, #1471 of 1618 🔗

Has he been on the radio again?

260943 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to John P, 2, #1472 of 1618 🔗

He’s been listening to Steve Bannon!

260959 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to John P, 11, #1473 of 1618 🔗

Listening to Neil Oliver talking to Mike Graham on talk radio you tube is a weekly highlight Neil is a decent intelligent bloke that talks with sense understanding and compassion

260977 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to John P, 9, #1474 of 1618 🔗

The thing is once you are no longer free jail is no longer a threat. If there’s no liberty to lose any more then are no laws you aren’t prepared to break.

260992 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jakehadlee, 4, #1475 of 1618 🔗

.

261004 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1476 of 1618 🔗

Absolutely. Words to live and die by. If my grandad could risk his life in North Africa for my freedom, I’m damned if I won’t risk mine for my children’s

261007 ▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, 3, #1477 of 1618 🔗

He’s been brilliant every wednesday on Mike Graham’s Talk Radio programme.
He is such a wise man – and has a mesmerising way of speaking. You just have to listen to him when he’s talking.

260910 ScepticSteve, 8, #1479 of 1618 🔗

The percentage change in weekly Covid deaths has been steadily declining during this second ripple (thanks to herd immunity), and is now close to zero. Of course, it’s too soon for any significant effect from the second lockdown, but there’s no evidence of any “non-pharmaceutical interventions” showing any benefit.

260931 crimsonpirate, 8, #1480 of 1618 🔗

So tomorrow we will find out the severity of new Tier restrictions to be announced by Boris. Previously we can assume Dom Cummings was the crucial influence. This time it will be Carrie. No doubt her judgement will be influenced on whether she wants to do her Christmas shopping at Harvey Nicholls and Harrods.

260937 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #1481 of 1618 🔗

Paul Joseph Watson on The Great Reset. Brilliant.

They think you’re stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxaGm7eK4U

260948 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 20, #1482 of 1618 🔗

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260997 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #1483 of 1618 🔗

The BBC has started full on promotion of The Great Reset – it has been building up to it for years with its metropolitan elite programming. The Ministry of Propaganda seems to think questioning it is as bad as those evil people questioning taking a rushed vaccine.

261000 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Darryl, 6, #1484 of 1618 🔗

The BBC will be the most high profile death from Corona

261073 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Darryl, 1, #1485 of 1618 🔗

Worth reminding ourselves that George Orwell based his Ministry of Truth on the BBC and his time spent there. And how many years ago is that?

260954 Chris John, 6, #1486 of 1618 🔗

When does open season start on Buck Foris and the whankhsok?

260962 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #1487 of 1618 🔗

Bill Gates: My ‘best investment’ turned $10 billion into $200 billion worth of economic benefitPublished Wed, Jan 23 2019

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/bill-gates-turns-10-billion-into-200-billion-worth-of-economic-benefit.html?fbclid=IwAR2Wnl1YOnbnOqcsrpH3b8qy5GVHa5QxgAdoJ95NhSE3rzDBrf7FahGpmas

260969 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1488 of 1618 🔗

There’s some very good research on the monetising strategies playing through the great biotech ponzi at wrenchinthegears.com

Also a very thorough dismantling of the evidence scam here :-

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/17/covid19-evidence-of-global-fraud/

NB, this is NOT the guardian ! , many good articles , worth looking at regularly.

260974 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #1489 of 1618 🔗

Yes. OffG is brilliant – and it’s how I found my way here!

260966 DRW, 19, #1490 of 1618 🔗

Great Reddit comment on mass testing:
It’s the illusion of control. COVID is both nearly harmless and practically unstoppable. All these political measures to control it just represent man’s hubris and the politician’s spinelessness. We live in an age when it’s unacceptable to suggest people take on risk in exchange for other goals. Instead, people just beg mommy government to make everything better and give them a stimulus lollipop. Pathetic.

260967 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 36, #1491 of 1618 🔗

I had my first proper confrontation with a maskoid today.

It’s 10:00 and I’m on the local retail park as the stores open. First stop is a chain coffee shop to get my first caffeine fix of the day. Enter shop and I’m the only one in there with the barista. A young lad in his 20s who promptly asks me if I have a mask. My immediate reply is that, “I’m exempt”. He nods at me and starts to make my coffee. Since I haven’t had my caffeine fix yet I’m feeling a bit grumpy and I decide I’m not going to let the fact that he asked me about my mask go.

I tell him that under the Equalities Act he has no right to ask about me not wearing a mask. He replies that masks are mandatory and I reply, “Not if you’re exempt and whether someone has a mask on or not is none of your business just assume that they are exempt”

He accuses me of being “hostile” to which I reply, “If you don’t want hostility don’t ask people about not wearing a mask and mind your own business”.

While he turns back to finish my coffee I notice that he continually fiddles with the front of the mask. So I tell him to stop that because it’s a potential contamination area, that is not only trapping things that get stuck to the front of the mask as he breathes in but also contains any crap that he exhales and is now transferring contamination to his fingers.

This seems to be something of a revelation to him because he then asks me, “Are you saying the mask is completely ineffective then”? I see this as my “in” and point out that unless the mask is rated N95 or FFP3 it is utterly worthless and you might as well not bother.

I could see the lightbulb go on and I think I may have converted someone to the sceptic side. Later, while reflecting on the conversation it occurred to me that he, and probably most other people, believe that the mask is impenetrable and impervious to virus particles and it thus makes them invulnerable.

260971 ▶▶ leggy, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 6, #1492 of 1618 🔗

Good work – little acorns and oak trees.

260973 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 11, #1493 of 1618 🔗

What I do is say I can’t understand what they are saying as they have a nappy over their mouths. I ask them to take it off so I can understand what they’re asking. Works every time

260980 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 6, #1494 of 1618 🔗

Worse than utterly useless as he will be breathing back in the muck from his lungs that he should be exhaling.
The words ‘petri dish’ can be very effective.

260985 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 7, #1495 of 1618 🔗

So, do people actually think they are effective? The mind boggles, how ill informed can you get?!

261006 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Moomin, 4, #1496 of 1618 🔗

9 months of mind control brainwashing

261099 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Moomin, #1497 of 1618 🔗

The Guardian told him they work.

261023 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PastImperfect, #1499 of 1618 🔗

BBC is reporting that several of the 15 anti lockdown protesters arrested in Liverpool on Saturday have been de-arrested* and issued with fines.
They do not say whether this was a form of plea bargaining or if the duty sergeant pointed out that offences under the Coronovirus regulations are not arrestable.

*de-arresting is a thing.

261069 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, #1500 of 1618 🔗

And now they can refuse to pay the fines presumably. Nice work.

261089 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to karenovirus, #1501 of 1618 🔗

I wonder if their DNA profiles and fingerprints were destroyed?

261095 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, #1502 of 1618 🔗

So is that definite – offences under the Coronovirus regs are not arrestable ?

260972 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1503 of 1618 🔗

This is a problem for all the C-19 vaccines.They thought C-19 was less prone to mutations. Not according to this new article. Just like in influensa virus there is,according to this new article, evidence that in C-19 there will be also a antigenic drift. There has never been a human coronavirus vaccine before. Why should a new one be much different from our substandard flu vaccine? https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.19.389916v1
Natural deletions in the SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein drive antibody escape “However, we describe an evolutionary pattern of recurrent deletions at four antigenic sites in the spike glycoprotein. Deletions abolish binding of a reported neutralizing antibody. Circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants are continually exploring genetic and antigenic space via deletion in individual patients and at global scales. In viruses where substitutions are relatively infrequent, deletions represent a mechanism to drive rapid evolution, potentially promoting antigenic drift.

260987 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1504 of 1618 🔗

So – in layman’s terms, vaccines will be either ineffective, or will work for a short time only. Thereafter, new vaccines will need to be developed on a continuous basis?

261034 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1505 of 1618 🔗

They will end up like flu vaccine.Moderate effect at best and prone to drift in the antigen.But side effects from the C-19 vaccine could be different from flu vaccine.

260978 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1506 of 1618 🔗

Excellent piece on PCR and Cycle Thresholds:

“So if I take something and multiply it through 32 turns of said crank I have four billion times whatever I started with.

But this presumes that “whatever I had” is in fact a sample from where I think I got it, not from somewhere else, and which arose only from what I believe the source was and was not collected by random chance from something floating around in the air or in the person in question. In other words if the original “thing” I multiplied that 32 times was garbage then what I get out the other end is a steaming pile of garbage! I cannot make something that doesn’t actually exist happen by multiplying it; I can only amplify an actual signal. If the signal is indistinguishable from chance then what I have done is produce junk.”

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240724

261031 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1507 of 1618 🔗

By the way, his maths on the situation, given he’s a quant like mind blogging on finance for over a decade, is excellent.

If we assume low end 30% pre existing immunity to reduce the overall susceptible population. IFRs across the various age cohorts (CDC numbers attached) and multiply these by the populations within each, you arrive at a number you’d need to infect to reach herd immunity (R0 at suppression levels). However, it also gives you a number of deaths likely under such a scenario and its incredibly low. Especially if you consider the suggestion of the Great Barrington Declaration and shield the vulnerable.

This also backs up the idea from the likes of Gupta and Henegen that we should have been fully open in the Summer months, not tested or quarantined any students or youth. Kept schools open and just focused on providing support for teachers who were vulnerable to work from home. It also provides a strong counter to the zealots’ claim that Eat Out To Help Out was the reason we are in another casedemic.

If you still think there is just incompetence at the heart of this after reading through what are quite simple calculations based on key base assumptions (the reason why Imperial models are wild), then I guess we’ll never convince you

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240661

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

260981 Mark, replying to Mark, 17, #1508 of 1618 🔗

Sadiq Khan warns Covid pandemic has created an ‘existential threat’ to central London because commuters will choose to work in ‘satellite’ offices in suburbs in future Sadiq Khan (inset) has admitted that the change in working life brought about by the pandemic ‘keeps him awake at night’, particularly the fear that more commuters will choose to work in the suburbs rather than the city. It comes amid surveys which have suggested that people who have worked from home since March would now be reluctant to go back to their long commutes (a busy underground station this summer, right) into packed city centres. Mr Khan said: ‘I think we’ve got to accept the fact that there is potentially an existential threat to central London as we know it. Are there going to be satellite-type offices in outer London because people may not want to work from home but in a co-working space in zone 5 or zone 4?’ Pictured left: A normally-bustling Regent Street stands deserted during England’s second lockdown.

This air-headed buffoon was apparently voted for by 1,310,143 Londoners (57% of voters). And he has enthusiastically joined in gratuitously trashing the city he was put in charge of.

Be interesting to see how many of them vote for him next time.

260986 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Mark, 3, #1509 of 1618 🔗

Probably increase his vote, sadly ☹️

260995 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 4, #1510 of 1618 🔗

Translation: “It was suicude guv, I weren’t no part of no gang what murdered ‘im like what you said. Honest! I tried to revive ‘im – that’s why me fingerprints is all over ‘is throat!”

260996 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Mark, 9, #1511 of 1618 🔗

That this man is in control of anything bigger than a Hornby train set is deeply shaming of the entire country not just London.

261012 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 1, #1512 of 1618 🔗

Most of those comfortably WFH will be outside London. The voters will be unemployed baristas, restaurant workers, cleaners, hair stylists and taxi drivers.

261054 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Mark, 1, #1513 of 1618 🔗

There’s a typo:

Sadiq Khan (inset)

should read

Sadiq Khan (insult)

261097 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Hieronimusb, #1514 of 1618 🔗

Sadist Khant.

261070 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 1, #1515 of 1618 🔗

His only way to a save London is to go full on sceptic now and call a return to arms amongst the commuting masses.

Otherwise he’ll go down with it.

261072 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1516 of 1618 🔗

No chance of Khan going sceptic. He’s a self-serving, utter moron.

261074 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mark, 1, #1517 of 1618 🔗

Oh my I feel so sorry for him. It’s not liked he campaigned for tougher restrictions on London or anything is it? I mean, he did his best to keep it all open…

260982 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1518 of 1618 🔗

Did anyone spot that in the new tier proposals, restrictions are to last for 6 months in tiers 1 and 3?!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/31/what-covid-tier-my-area-lockdown-map-check-postcode/

Apparently there were 1953 cases in my area over the last 7 days. Where on earth did they find them?! Guess we’ll end up in tier 4 at this rate 🙁

260994 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1519 of 1618 🔗

Who trusts their local authorities to not be in the higher than necessary tier just on the off chance. Remember what they did for London and Essex ? Bouncing them into tier 2 for no valid reason other than dosh.

261002 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1520 of 1618 🔗

behind a paywall but to quote ConstantBees from this morning
We are in
‘an abusive relationship with the government’

261033 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1521 of 1618 🔗

This means that the three weeks to ‘flatten the curve’ will have turned into over a year by then? Seriously, I am utterly fucking sick of this nonsense now. Why are people not hopping mad? Furious? Where is there self respect? A bunch of aloof, thoroughly weird, power-mad psycopaths are literally ruining their lives and probably having a great laugh at the same time while they are doing it.

I feel like even the sight of a masked freak walking outside nowhere near anybody else might be enough to set me off next time.

260988 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1522 of 1618 🔗

Is this