2020-11-22

Morning everyone – now to read the post

Daily Mail: LORD SUMPTION: It’s morally wrong for government control freaks to tell us what to do at Christmas.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8973529/LORD-SUMPTION-morally-wrong-government-control-freaks-tell-Christmas.html

Yes read that. i totally agree

And I, of course.
Not wishing to be snobbish, and I’m no fan of the Times in its current Covviegrovel mode, but isn’t it rather strange that a man of Lord Gumption’s stature should be published in a tabloid rather than our (at least formerly) most prestigious broadsheet?

The Times has always been the mouthpiece of the government of the day and is no longer a broadsheet, except perhaps on Sunday.

There is the government and then there is the deep state whose motives SAGE and Johnson and Hancock are there to promote under the guise of a “pandemic”. The bible for that group is of course the Guardian which is truly astonishing for those of us who come from a leftish world view…

As a similar ‘rational left’ individual I’ve long doubted the Graun really believes anything it claims to stand for. They need to sell copy and pay dividends same as the rest. Certainly the opinion content veers between stabs in the dark at what they think their readers want to hear and a not particularly clever parody of a woke Twitter account. Some of it hardly makes the effort to avoid directly jabbing a finger and ‘this is what you should think!’

I have a similarly jaded view of my former daily, the Telegraph, which has been boycotted since March because of its fear fearmongering.

All explained in a wonderful “Yes Prime Minister” sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrnmya0xFw

Brilliant!

😅On my YouTube feed
Yes Minister ‘How To Run A Hospital’
ie fully staffed but with no patients, how very apposite.

The Daily Mail ironically has attracted lots of good writers despite its reputation and has been willing to attract both sides of the story. A trait that is missing in our so-called broadsheets.

And karenovirus is right – the Times has always been the mouthpiece of the government of the day. Always has been, always will be.

No, because it has a wide circulation and if someone of Lord Sumption’s stature writes articles, it might make more of the hitherto gullible think again,or so we hope.

Apparently it is one of the most widely read, online news sites in the world. And it doesn’t have a paywall so stuff gets out there. Not that I’m a fan of DM but it seems to be one of only a very few MSM outlets that is allowing debate on the whole CV/lockdown issue.

Exactly, which is the point I hoped to make. I’m no fan either, but as you rightly say, the DM is providing space for the challengers of the Covid psychosis.

It gets a wider readership and there is no paywall on the Mail.

It’s good because the Times is behind a paywall and the DM is freely available – and infinitely more widely read.
So it’s a less snobby but much more far-reaching platform.

i’m pretty sure the daily mail is how i found out about lockdown sceptics maybe through the comments which are really great like here !

The best quote from Lord Gumption – sums up what I believe

“The risks posed by Covid-19 and the impact of social isolation vary enormously from one person to the next.

The risks posed by the disease vary according to age, health, gender and perhaps ethnicity.

The impact of isolation varies with employment status, income, accommodation, family relations and way of life.

In all of these respects, only we know enough about our own circumstances to judge what is right for us and those around us.

Put simply, we can look after ourselves better than the Government, whose solutions are indiscriminate .”

Absofeckingloutely

It’s morally wrong for government control freaks to tell us what to do at all – it’s a nonsense. Tell the truth, tell the risks and let us decide the necessary actions according to our circumstances!

Of course, but they’ve got the bit “of power” between their teeth now, and they ain’t letting that go!

Some of the comments are frightening.One poor soul said they won’t see their family at Christmas and will pop by and see them in December and can only risk a hour in the garden.The government are criminally liable for the fear and brainwashing of the public.

Agree, but when somebody is as easily brainwashed as that moron, they have a large share in the guilt.

Slightly tangential to the subject in hand, but has anyone tried rejecting cookies on the DM? It’s very, very difficult and long-winded. And, they circumvent your adblocker.

Brave browser helps a lot

I’m running Firefox with Privacy Possum and UBlock and it seems to clear the cookies when I close the browser – which is frequently.

I must have succeeded because I don’t get ads in the articles. I think you olnly need to go through the rigmarole once and it saves your preferences, unlike the infamous Reach group that makes you reject them every time.

LORD SUMPTION SAID:
“Put simply, we can look after ourselves better than the Government, whose solutions are indiscriminate.”
Not just the government, but better than the zealots of Public Health and other Global Health organizations can. If fact, these groups have probably killed more people than they have saved. Death Squads masquerading as dogooders.

Dear Jduy
These ONS Facts give infinite context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3SX3M5UpE

What’s Going On? 🤦‍♂️ 3 MIND-BLOWING New FACTS MSM, BBC & Piers Won’t Tell You!
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Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON

‘ everywhere from factories and offices to towns and cities will be blitzed with mass testing if cases start to rise, under plans to be set out this week.’

Isn’t that self serving? Given ‘cases’ are just positive ( and mostly false) test results……to ramp up the testing will result in more positive results or ‘cases’ as they like to call it, to perpetuate the fraud.

Isn’t it ludicrous that we are now being continually punished for basically catching a cold (or not in many instances)?

Lord help us.

Indeed, we are being punished for our own biology. It smacks of arrogance, like we can transcend nature and its biological laws and processes.

Bozo would know it as hubris.

He would – except he doesn’t. I can’t wait for nemesis.

Boris is Hubris personified.

We Russians had two rulers named Boris in our history
– both turned out to be disasters
– should have been a warning to my adopted country

We just have Boris Notgudenov.

Bolshoi? Niet.

2020 was the year the common cold and flu was weaponised

It smacks of ignorance

Catching colds is a natural part of life, its our body’s way of getting rid of bad viruses and bacteria as well as the body’s way of telling us that we need to rest.

The government’s Don Quixote like ways of tackling this virus smacks of arrogance, narcissism and attempts at playing God with people’s health.

last time I looked stepsils, lemsip and nurofen were on special offer. I haven’t had even the slightest symptoms of a cold the last six months. I fear that in the future when you do catch a cold/flu it really be serious due to the immune system being unchallenged for such a long time.

Despite not really doing anything, certainly not anything that you would think of as high risk, ie a crowded pub or gig since the start of this SHIT-SHOW, I think I have had 3 or 4 potential attacks of the sniffles. I have fought them off within hours. I am sure this is the case.
I have good faith in my ‘moon system, Vitamin C+zinc and echinacea and first defence nose spray.
I don’t need no poxy franken vaccine.
Bastards

likewise i haven’t had any colds etc and more concerned that my immune system is not being challenged with the everyday bugs to stay effective.

If these people really knew what they were doing this scamdemic would have ended months ago.

Not too sure about that. I’m pretty sure that the idea is to piss us all off so much, that we will be clamouring for one of the many Bill Gates’s special depopulating vaccine brews. Eugenicist Bill is obsessed with vaccines as he sees them as the perfect tool for depopulation and massive depopulation at that.

I haven’t had a cold in 2020, and in line with what you’re saying I don’t know whether that’s a good or bad thing. When I went out this morning I coughed a couple of times which is probably just a reaction to cold air rather than any bacteria or viruses. No sniffles for ages, I rarely need to wash my handkerchiefs!

Same here. The last time I had a cold was back in November and January but it was more because I had been tired since early last year when I moved house then had a busy summer.

I have been taking immunity defence multi-vitamins and find that they’ve been good.

Don’t worry. Your immune system is always at work – you just don’t notice. By the time your temp goes up the usual lines of defence have been breached and the system has decided to kill the bug that way. If you wear a fitness band, like Fitbit with a heart function, you can watch your immune system doing its thing on the app graph for resting heart rate. Long before you feel ill the RHR goes up and stays up until the invader is dead. Mine goes up every couple of weeks. It averages 65. When I had pneumonia it was at 81. When I had Covid (I think), it was at 75. Normal bugs never breach 70.

They’re not tackling the virus they are implementing a Global Action Plan set out by the United Nations and all their co-conspirators. Agenda 21, 2030, ad nauseum. They are all in cahoots. That’s why the lockdowns continue. They say that all diesel, gas-powered vehicles must be banned by 2035 but they really don’t know how they are going to make it happen. A waste of thought and a waste of money. Your money. Our money. Our cities and towns, devastated by the fantasies of low intelligent thinkers.

They’ll meet their sustainable development goals through depopulation, which is an essential part of the plan. The main weapon of depopulation will be the unnecessary and toxic vaccines, which they intend foisting upon the unsuspecting masses.

Sales of ICE vehicles, not the vehicles themselves. And there’s precious little chance of replacing boats and planes with electric alternatives, not to mention the railways of most countries are still majority diesel, so oil will still be quite a lucrative commodity. I don’t understand the opposition to EVs – electric cars (and ebikes) are bloody quick – the torque is astonishing and is at maximum from all speeds, coupled with (usually) all-wheel drive so the driving experience is hardly going to be less fun. If you miss the soundtrack then easy enough to install engine noise in the audio system. Cars aren’t going away any time soon.

The Statistics Guy Jon https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f913.svg
@Jon_statistics
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So do people understand positive cases as reported by the government…?

Cases are people who have a postive result.

If they are tested in two separate weeks, the government counts them twice!

A positive result does not mean they are ill!

I asked a test centre Security guard whether they were busy. He avoided the question but said “it’s mostly regulars like care home nurses”.

I said so if someone gets tested for 10 weeks that would count as 10 tests in the government total ?

“Well, technically yes”

No mate, actually yes.

If a person is tested 10 times on different days than they should count as separate tests – no problem here

But my main concerns is if the a person is tested positive and then the same person has confirmation positive tests in the following week which are counted as separate cases – rather than a single case as they should be

Somebody reported this as happening and that is concerning

The numbers will be fiddled that’s a given.. the government openly threatens the population on a daily basis its abuse of power but they dont care. I hope the numbers rise even more those ignoring these ridiculous lockdowns. It does not matter how low the deaths or “cases” go they will press on regardless unless stopped.

Yes indeed, our corrupt government is not amenable to reason and common sense and it clearly prefers the bought in fake science, that fits in with their depopulation vaccination plans.

The whole testing agenda should be alarming. The test results are totally meaningless and testing is only there is to keep the Covid pot boiling. The aim of which is to push people towards accepting injection with one of Bill Gates’s depopulating vaccines. Whatever vaccine you end up with, eugenicist Bill will be behind it.

The PCR tests are the virus

Their cronies are profiting from testing, so there’s every incentive to increase it and spread the impression that it’s vital.

a) It is well established now that the spread of this virus is not driven by asymptomatic carriers. This fact has been confirmed WHO amongst others. b) Test and trace systems do not work once a disease is widespread throughout the population, again confirmed by WHO. c) PCR tests should not be used as a diagnostic tool according to the creator of the test amongst others. In addition, we are told that a number of efficient vaccines are just around the corner. Where is the justification for mass testing? This is a serious question because I must missing something that the majority of MP’s are seeing.

The justification is simple, it transfers public budget into private businesses. Private businesses we can be certain are connected to certain politicians and other wealthy people, be it directly or indirectly.

This happened all the time even before COVID; governments contracting huge consultancies to do lacklustre work then increasing funding when they do a poor job (sunk cost fallacy). So it should be no surprise it is happening now.

Anyway, an increase in testing will ALWAYS lead to more positive “cases” , it’s a law of statistics/reality that the more you look the more you find. In fact this has happened time and time again throughout history. In the book “ How to lie with Statistics ” there’s even mention of this phenomenon (and that books is now considered quite old):

A year came when encephalitis cases reported in the central valley of California were triple the figure for the worst previous year. Many alarmed residents shipped their children away. But when the reckoning was in, there had been no great increase in deaths from sleeping sickness. What had happened was that state and federal health people had come in in great numbers to tackle a long-time problem; as a result of their efforts a great many low-grade cases were recorded that in other years would have been overlooked, possibly not even recognized.

That’s from near the end of the short book, it’s quite a good read to understand how lies can be told with statistics all the while using the numbers gathered.

Mass testing is producing false positives at the rate of 97%. The other 3% may carry some viral load but do not mean that a person is either ill or infectious. Governments know all this only too well and are using these flawed testing programs as a way of pushing people towards accepting dangerous and unnecessary vaccines. The real aim of the vaccines is to help achieve the massive reduction of global population, which is the unwritten essential part of UN Agenda 2030.

We are being punished for our compliance. The regime did not believe compliance would be so complete. They know they have messed up very badly and Johnson is basically just taking the piss now. This will go on for as long as people take it, and the more they comply the worse it will get.

Yet the irony is so many naive zealots believe if they cravenly follow the rules the govt will forgive them and lessen the restrictions. At the same time they admonish us for being ‘rule breakers’ who are to blame for the restrictions. It reminds me of cowed people in abusive relationships who think if they are nice to their partner they will not be bullied and battered.

This is very insightful and IMO spot on.

I shut my business first time around and was a good little boy this time I’ve remained open and to my surprise I’ve had customers I see my 81 year old Mum every day, I will dance a jig when these bastards are executed or lynched.

Good for you, on both counts.

Do the factories that are producing and selling these PCR tests realise just how much they’re complicit in the destruction of the economy and civil liberties?

They are creating destruction

As are the people who keep being tested when they are not ill. Is it just people who want 2 weeks off work fully paid?

For many it is compulsory, care home workers for instance.

And making money while doing it.

Kerrrrchinggg!

I shall lock me in for those testing blitzes.
At least as long as thetests aren’t standardized down to a meaningful CT number and have become less invasive.
For these past, current and likely upcoming testing results, one might as well roll a dice.

Testing, refuse it.

OK now read the post including the demos’ throughout the country. Widely reported in the Daily Mail but only a short comment on Liverpool from the biased beeb. Deplorable -not the demos the poor reporting from the beeb.

FFS…Dr. Mengele Fauci and WHO reps have publicly stated that asymptomatic spread is a myth on several occasions.

The government aren’t listening, at least not to the sensible knowledgeable experts. They are determined on one goal from which they refuse to deviate. The destruction of our lifestyles and in many cases lives, Covid as I was once told is short for Certificate Of Vaccination ID.

“England’s national lockdown will end on Dec 2nd but will be replaced by a harsher three-tier system”

Frankly I will barely notice. Lockdown 2. just stopped me eating out for breakfast and if the new Tieraucracy is inconvenient it will be ignored.

Theme tune for bozo and dreary Matt

Tiers Of A Clown.
The Stranglers (grown up edition).

Wet pubs in Tier 3 should just open up on 3rd Dec and try to salvage something of the year. Carrots are cheap, just put a bowl of chopped up carrots on every table and have a carrot-only menu ready in case any snoops visit. Wet pubs in my Tier 3 area should’ve opened up last time. Honestly, nobody would’ve batted an eyelid as it would’ve just been assumed by a passerby that they sold food.

Or you could have a Rats Only menu, borrowed from the Monty Python team. With bowls of ratnuts on every table.

I’ll go further- a spam only menu

Usque ad nausespam.

Swish a bit of brown sauce artistically on the plate a la master chef with a single carrot and a pea and claim it is fine dining rather than snacks. (I do love a bit of fine but it’s mores can be used to our advantage).

Tiers of a clown. I like it.

So why were the Bournemouth lockdown protestors not kettled and pepper-sprayed, as happened elewhere in the country?

Does MULE* have a discriminatory, class-based policy and how long will it be before this melds into systemic covidism?

*MULE: Masked & Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement, prev. the Constabulary.

I do not understand how people are being arrested at all , the lock down regs are mostly made under the Public Health Act which confers no powers of arrest. This Act is set up as to summons people who offend, e.g. have Rats in a Hotel Kitchen. If you give your name and address so that a summons can be issued then as far as I can see there are no grounds to arrest people under the Public Health Act.
Does anyone here know some more about the law and can explain what is going on?

They turn it into Affray or Assault on an Emergency Worker.

Repeatedly trying to bite the police officers fists seemed to be theme in Liverpool

similar to the continual head butting of police truncheons that seems widespread

Daily Mail report
‘Officer pushed to the chest’ ?

Isn’t that called self defence in normal times?
And isn’t it an instinctive reaction, rather than a deliberate calculated act?

Assault on an Emergency Worker is a BRAND NEW OFFENCE.
Designed specially for the new authority loving fascist psy-op UK.
It goes hand in hand with priority worker hero worshipping, workers “on the front line “risking their lives” in this “unprecedented” “pandemic” and thanking people in the military for their service at every opportunity.

This new offence carries very very heavy penalties like a terrorism charge.

Johnson’s a dictator and must be deposed.

Report on R2 6am news of agitation in Cardiff last night with 6 people in hospital, some with stab wounds.
Nothing said about the cause other than random violence.
Anyone know different?

The hidden but real class warfare in Britain? You are probably less likely to “accidentally” fall down the stairs in a cop shop in a place like Bournemouth than in say Liverpool or Manchester or inner-city London.

MULE: brilliant.

No mention on this website, however, it is now enshrined in law in Scotland that travel between different tiers is illegal. Yes ILLEGAL!
Funny how they can just pass laws on a whim? Will people wake up or adapt? I fear the latter.

Needs to be tested in Court.
Internal travel bans were inherited by the Soviet Union from the Tzarist Regime.

Scotland, rather the SNP, are trying their hardest to become as communist as possible by the back door.
Well as it is in law now, testing it in court will only result in the fine being paid. I haven’t been fined, if I ever do I will challenge it in court.

This is in direct contravention of human rights;
Article 13. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

If governments make laws that go against the Declaration of human rights it should be obligatory for them to clarify that is what they are doing. After 9 months of this nonsense and with current figures so normal it is not an emergency and therefore if Governments pass such laws they should also move to formally rescind the Human Rights Act.

That may be right, however, as we have seen lately – that doesn’t matter to a totalitarian state.

As to which law would be violated I am unsure. This is the official site of the announcement. Bizarre that foreign travel is still allowed but not travel out of the high tiers.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-travel-and-transport/#travelbetween

That’s not from the Human Rights Act, Steve. The Article 13 you quote is from the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This is criminal proceedings in The Hague stuff.

I thought the UN Declaration of Human Rights was enshrined in the UK Human Rights Act?

Long before that. We’ve been a signatory to that piece of international law since 1947. Human Rights Act is an imposter dating from 1998.

So why aren’t we holding ours to accou t?

Their argument is that the Right to Life supersedes all the other rights. That is the question that needs a strong legal challenge from someone like Lord Sumption.

It’s also against the rules of the common travel area. Which has been clarified by the UK and Sturgeons’s beloved EU regarding brexit just before the pandemic. She has no leg to stand on

I’ve put this to the test. While the roads are quieter than normal, there is absolutely nothing to suggest this new law is being policed/enforced. Sturgeon stand at her little pulpit every day and says stuff, and most people in Scotland take her at her word and do as they’re told. Therefore, there zero need for the police to attempt to enforce anything she says is law.

Yes, this means my mum, who lives in a very remote area, can’t go 10 mins down the road to the nearest town to shop because they are in a different tier, but instead has to travel over half an hour to a town in her tier to get her groceries. And the town 10 mins away from her is an hours drive from the part of the area that moved it up a tier. But that definitely makes sense!?!

They’re full of shit. The polis here have stated they won’t be stopping anyone.

I must state here, Police Scotland have handled a very difficult situation magnificently. Havent heard any stories of police harassment where I am.

The police have had a pretty raw deal under the SNP so I would imagine that most of them aren’t fans of the dear leader and are somewhat disinclined to enforce this nonsense.

We crossed the county line twice yesterday; no problems, no sign of the polis and plenty of other cars doing the same. It would require a vast number of roadblocks to even begin to attempt to enforce thus ludicrous “law”. I do feel sorry for the people of Clackmannan who can travel from Alloa to Tullibody and that’s about it!

Tale of the vaccinated

” I proceeded on down the hall getting all kind of injections inspections detections neglections and all kinds of groovy stuff that they were doin’ to me at the thing there.

And I was there for 2 hours, 3 hours, 4 hours I was there for a long time going through all kind of mean nasty ugly things and I was just having a tough time there and they were inspecting, injecting every single part of me and they didn’t leave no part untouched”

(Arlo Guthrie. Alice’s Restaurant Massacree)

An old favourite.

The CDC is a national disgrace and should be disbanded completely. I’d also try the various heads for crimes against humanity… But maybe that’s just my anger speaking.

Want to protest?
Everyone just go out and be in large separate crowds.
Also, don’t pay your council tax. At least keep the money aside but pay it in dribs and drabs. Perhaps when the bloated public sector feels the pinch things will change.

Council tax boycott, yes, why fund our own imprisonment?

Council Tax protests are best done as a large group and the tax is paid to a solicitor, who will hold it on behalf of the council. You are technically within the Law, because you have paid your Council Tax.

Unless the solicitor then runs off with the money! Years ago when we were buying our first house our solicitor ran off with our deposit as well as many others. When the law caught up with him the first people to be repaid were the Banks, people like us lost our money and were never reimbursed.

What you say sounds a lot like something Mark Windows would suggest. You should run this strategy to the limits.

Yep. Apart from refusing to pay the council tax, boycott the census next year. If the government knows best then why the feck do they need loads of stupid questions about your religion, what sort of house you live, what gender you are, etc?

It’s madness.

Just holding my nose and looking at Matt Hancocks twitter feed and he is now clearly vaccine obsessed, nothing else matters just vaccination, whatever argument you put up at the moment the lockdown enthusiasts just put their fingers in their ears and go ‘vaccination, vaccination vaccination’.
My wife was saying how people she knows are simply terrified of Covid, they just listen to the lurid figures of 200, 300 deaths and go into a blue funk and plead for more lockdowns before they all die. No attempt to look into the figures put them into context or look at the overall picture. This seems to be the sort of reaction that is driving our politicians actions, these people in dire panic are their voters and they cannot afford to upset them.
They see Matt Hancock as some sort of latter day Moses coming down the mountain to save us all with his magic vaccine.
Bob Dylan once sang ‘i can’t think for you, you’ve got to decide’ but too many of our fellow citizens are not thinking just panicking.

It might be useful to focus some attention towards the supposed upcoming cabinet reshuffle. MH needs to be moved from this post for all of the reasons you state (and more).

No one’s asking what cases are. If only they did

The sad thing is it’s the vaccine that they should be terrified of not Covid. Don’t be suprised if there are increased cases in Sepsis (which is a real killer) during the next Coronavirus season (cold season) according to one Scientist. Of course it will be denied as being linked to the vaccine.

I have a few friends like this. Start every conversation with the daily death toll. But as soon as you start to question the figures, i.e. but did they die of or with COVID? They stare at me blankly and change topic. Not only are they ignorant, but they are WILFULLY ignorant. I can’t understand it.

They are happy in their oppression and fear. I suppose they have to be left to revel in it. I used to feel sorry for them but now they disgust me. They are the ones allowing this tyranny to continue indefinitely.

It can be very frustrating. I often experience/enact a few knee jerk responses:

1. “I thought you had a brain, how can you fall for this crap?”
2. “but what about?” (analysis and links to sources of facts follow)?
3. smile, then find a way to move onto another topic
4. block ‘em.

I call these people past friends. They are now complicit in my sentencing without trial. They are collaborators who I hold in contempt. I will never forgive them.

Nice one Rick and spot on.

“Think for yourself “ the Beatles (George Harrison) off the album Rubber Soul.

“Boris can expect stiff resistance from the Conservative back benches”

I’ll believe it when I see it!

Yep. Stiff as in wet lettuce leaf.

I don’t think we can expect any help from politicians at all.

I think that applies to every other political issue too!

Did I miss something? When were SAGE granted powers to imprison people?

Even in the dark days of Soviet Russia people were granted the courtesy of an individual show trial

The CRG will “veto” the plans? I wish that were true. They will vote against them and lose the worse than pointless vote.

I know we think we have certain rights enshrined in law here in the UK, rights informed by the UN Declaration of Human rights.

However, the UK version of these rights has some nice little caveats in them. For example:

– Right to respect for private and family life

There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right ***except *** such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
_________________

Notice the word “except”. That tells you everything. You can have a family and private life. The state won’t interfere with this. EXCEPT…if your private or family life isn’t in accordance with the law and they’ll butt into your right to have a family and private life if its in the interests of “public safety” or to protect “health”.

No one has “rights”. What we do have is privledges which can be abused at the whim of any sitting government.

We have common law rights that are being abused by this disreputable government.

Listen to what Mark Windows has to say about Common Law Rights. They are not as inviolable as you might think.

They are not inviolable at all but they remain mine and not the governments.

Public Safety, Committee of, French Revolution.

It’s the phrase “well-being of the country” that’s the problem one; it can correspond to vague things like “the economy” or “national stability” or “to maintain British Values” as defined ad-hoc by the government, euphemisms in the Chinese style.

If nothing else, this lunacy will have shown many what an alternative system of government feels like.

And many will also have noticed how popular totalitarianism has been in this country over the last few months.

It is also surprisingly popular elsewhere:

‘ Three out of four Russians think the Soviet era was the best time in their country’s history.’

‘“The Soviet era may not be seen as a time of high living standards, but as a time of justice. Today’s state capitalism is viewed as unfair: the injustice is in distribution, access to goods and infrastructure. And this feeling is growing stronger,”

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/24/75-of-russians-say-soviet-era-was-greatest-time-in-countrys-history-poll-a69735

No-one can believe any longer that it couldn’t happen here. It already has, with the consent, even approval, of a majority.

A return to freedom will now feel really good, if and when it comes…..and those vindictive votes for the monster raving loony party will feel even better…and completely rational.

The ancient world had a system for people who thought like that. It was called slavery.

And the post Soviet Russian state is trying, clearly successfully, to erase memories of their own system of ‘forced labour’, aided by the chaos of the ‘pandemic’. Hmmm……

‘ In the midst of this, the state-funded Russian Military History Society was allowed to send army soldiers to excavate the mass graves of Sandormokh and exhume some bodies. This sought to prove that the dead were not Gulag victims, but Red Army soldiers murdered by the Finnish army – a theory deemed historically inaccurate by dozens of researchers.’

‘ Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, a memory war has been raging in Russia. NGOs, researchers and activists keep working indefatigably to preserve an independent memory of the Gulag. Meanwhile, the state wants to control it. In the middle of the coronavirus pandemic, plaques memorialising the victims of the Katyn massacre of Polish prisoners of war in 1940 have been removed from Tver.’

https://theconversation.com/russia-and-the-gulag-putin-is-fighting-for-state-control-over-how-soviet-horrors-are-remembered-142438

That last item is probably part of a monuments war with Poland. The Polish authorities have removed statues and monuments to Soviet soldiers killed driving the Germans from Poland in 1944-5, and this has provoked outrage in Russia.

The Red Army liberated Auschwitz

The Soviets repurposed nazi concentration camps to their own uses, including incarceration of liberated Russian soldiers who were considered traitors for surrendering in the first place (and their families back home including Stalins own daughter in law).

Finns murdering Russian prisoners ? Might have occurred in desperation after the Soviet Union invaded them with 10 times more soldiers than landed in Normandy.
Finland, population the same as Belgium, while losing territory morally won the Winter War.

It’s true. My Latvian friend says that here family back home are loving the lockdown as it reminds them of the Soviet years. Ironically, she came here to be free.

Is it because they feel ‘safe’? That someone else is ‘looking after’ them? I have heard this before. I don’t understand why you would want someone else in control of your life, but I suppose if it is all you have known, being in control of your own life might be scarier. If I can’t control my own life, I would rather not live it.

Spot on.

I’m told that if you liberate a hen from its cage in some hellish hen battery, it will do its best to get back in.
And hens are mental giants compared to zombies.

God preserve us….why did they leave then? I have always had a suspicion that most people do not really value freedom…..after all why do millions stay in what are clearly awful relationships. Now I know for sure that people dont value it.

It is hard to work up the courage to step into the unknown. I’ve done it several times (yes, fool me, for being in abusive relationships), but it is hard to have the courage to do it. The last time was the easiest, but it was also definitely the last.

Then I found myself in an abusive relationship with the government…

‘In an abusive relationship with the government’
Thank you, that sums it up nicely.

The Covid merry go round: “We’re here because we’re here because we’re here because we’re here, ad infinitum”

“if you know a better ‘ole you go to it”

Off topic, but DM headlines often brighten my morning, like this one:

Has Moscow been secretly microwaving our spies for years?

If in doubt, fry your spy.

Actually I suspect it isn’t our spies they’ve been microwaving, but the brains of our politicians and SAGES. That would explain a lot.

Amusing vaccine video spoof from Twitter
https://twitter.com/WilkesClub/status/1325098203742658560#7s8d6f87

From the DT regarding the proposal for twice weekly testing and freedom passes. These people are power mad, control freaks, with a bit of evil thrown in for good measure. This is what happens when weak-minded people kowtow to draconian rules with claims of ‘it’s just a mask’.
The language is quite sinister in its abuse of lexical content. ‘Offering’, real meaning compelling, ‘incentive’, meaning coercion. The passes will allow us to wander down the street, how nice of them, and show our pass if anyone challenges us for not wearing a mask – didnt know you had to wear a mask in the street. Overall, you will be under house arrest unless you accept our offer of regular testing. This is getting beyond madness.

The excerpt:

The source said: “They will allow someone to wander down the streets, and if someone else asks why they are not wearing a mask, they can show the card, letter or an App.”

The source added that the passes would allow people “to see their family, and normal social distancing rules will not apply”.

The plan has already received the backing of Jeremy Hunt, the former Health Secretary, who last week said he supported “offering people who comply with testing and isolation requirements a ‘freedom pass’ that removes the requirement to follow lockdown regulations”.

Mr Hunt also urged Boris Johnson to set an Easter deadline to return to a more normal life through mass testing with rapid home testing kits, even if vaccines have not come through by then.

Mr Hunt has been urging the Government to go further and give people an incentive to be tested by allowing them “to go out, shop and go to work” if they test negative.

I’m a good person. Law abiding. Honest. But the Government has convicted me without trial. Life has been made unlivable and emotionally painful to endure

It goes beyond tears now

There is no meaningful opposition from unions or anyone with clout who cares about human rights

It is not hyperbole to say these laws are crimes against humanity

I quite agree regarding crimes against humanity and lack of opposition. I wish we could get crowds the size of those in Berlin to protest.

I feel just the same, Jamie. I can’t understand why so many people find this an acceptable way of life.

Listen to Prof Dolores Cahill on the Richie Allen Show this week. So uplifting. Her Gloabl Alliance is intent on creating new institutions at tbe global level to replace the WHO, or at least shadow them, and be a permanent critical voice against these people. All the while pursuing leaders for malfeasance and jail time.

I have little hope in the Global Alliance, acu2020.org and Reiner Fuellmich and the court system. The perpetrators of the scamdemic know it’s not about a virus – they know that we know. The science is a distraction and using it to appeal to governments to do the right thing is appealing to a sense of decency in our political class that is simply not there – it’s wishful thinking.

The Corona Scandal is a global, orchestrated class war on behalf the banks, Pharma, Gates, the WEF and god knows who else. The world’s billionaires are planning to enslave and profit off us. I do not think the scientists can save us unfortunately. I don’t know what the answer is to a global coup

A team of German lawyers are bringing charges of crimes against humanity to the WHO. And coincidentally Nabbaro of the WHO comes out against lockdowns.

None of that will happen.

These fuckers are finished. Only a matter of time.

They will be laughed out of court if they attempt to bring in such a measure.

I want them buried.

I so hope that you, and all who think this, are right.

I see a black market for forgeries, after all this scandemic has given rise to so many frauds and scams.

Does anyone doubt that any kind of ‘health passport’ or ‘proof of vaccine’ controls won’t be run with the same level of utter incompetence that the government and the public sector that do their bidding have displayed not just during this but certainly in my lifetime.

The governments and their lackeys are not fit for purpose and these kinds of restrictions will be the same laughable shit-show as everything else they do and so will be ripe for abuse.

Bring on the fake documents, the forgeries and the open displays of non-compliance.

it will be enforced with the same ineptitude that everything else is.

I think this has to be our hope doesn’t it – that they are so shit at everything they do, that we just adapt and use their systems against them. Just a bloody faff when it’s all so unnecessary and if 67m of us got angry we could chase them off the planet – isn’t there a Mars mission we could put them on?

Why stop at Mars?What about one if those space probes that leaves the Solar System and just keeps going?

… but imagine some distant alien discovering a shipful of Wancocks and Witlesses and thinking they were a representative sample of humanity…

I see a black market for forgeries

My thoughts as well.

Just ignore it and do as you please.
no man* shall be fined, imprisoned or have his lands or property forfeit except by the judgement of his peers**

* inc women
** people of theys social standing.

I can’t put into words how angry this makes me – my freedom belongs to me, it is not something the government can choose to give me or not give me. This would be the line in the sand where my direct action would become very direct.

The term FREEDOM PASS is peak insanity. If we get to the point that those who are fee have a pass and those who are not free are masked, we are dead.

How do people just casually accept such language. Very scary to me.

This is evil. I think they are doing what they do best, trolling us. They crank out some authoritarian shit like this and see what happens. It’s hard-line covid bullshit for the covid crazy masses. How can they possible manage to do this using the current tests available. It’s such a mental proposal that it just cannot work. They might give it a go in schools where they can force people to do it and some companies like Amazon will take up the baton and run with it but everybody else.

Humm, many will but then again only 10 million downloaded the stupid track n track app and even fewer used it or kept it on their phones. Look where this facet of covid bullshit has gone, down the pan as far as I can see. Useless.

Mass tyesting will hopefully go the same way, its theater, another scenery change in the global covid cult screen play.

In other words, Hunt is as big an idiot as the PM.

“The pass allows people to see their family and social distancing does not apply”
Why family? I do not have a family! There are lots of people out there who for some reason do not have contact with their family, do not have family or live far away from family. Just because we share some DNA, does not mean I value their companionship more than that of my friends.
The emphasis on family makes me mad every year around xmas.
I am happy for people who like their relatives, but there are plenty of us who do not, so please do not make it even more difficult by drumming the family = happy beat.

A wave of depression swept over me after reading this:

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1330287230473166849?s=20

The depression is compounded by jokes in the comment section and niggling doubts about anti-lockdown commentators on social media

People like Emma Kenny have given me hope, but she retweets James Melville who’s been anti-lockdown for months but who’s suddenly started promoting the vaccine. Then Simon Dolan who defended Priti Patel. I wonder about ex Big Pharma boss Mike Yeadon. Is he a trust figure, and should a new flu or virus come along he’ll endorse lockdowns and vaccines?

The feeling of loss of hope for the future is soul destroying. No freedom, no ability to live life, is worsened by doubts about allies revealing themselves as traitors

Does the Government want to create an epidemic of depression, anxiety and suicide? If the Government is going to push people to suicide, it might as well offer assisted suicide

Its funny you say that about Yeadon, as when I was listening to his latest video, I can’t remember his exact words, but his brief reference to the potentisl vaccine was very positive. I remember thinking this seemed strange.

I noticed that as well. But I am kind of in his camp. It’s very encouraging that a vaccine might work, in my view.

By no means does everybody need a vaccine. And if the government were acting rationally then they would not be suggesting it, and their normal parsimonious behaviour would limit it to at risk people.But if a vaccine is shown to be safe and effective in the 75+ age group (or whatever), why wouldn’t you offer it? It’s not cost effective in the broader population and personally I would want to be VERY sure there were no risk of ADE, which seems to be a potential concern for this group of viruses.

And then specifically to the Oxford vaccine, there are signals of transverse myelitis so I would be especially wary there.

I am with you Sophie123, I am not anti vaccine, per se, but I know, to my daughter’s considerable cost, the dangers of vaccination and the, consequent, necessity that any vaccine should undergo years of testing to ensure it is safe.

My biggest issue with this vaccine is that it simply isn’t needed; the reason cases have been dropping in much of the country, since before the tiering came in, leave alone the lockdowns, is because effective community immunity, under current social distancing and seasonal conditions, has been achieved in most of the country.

A vaccine makes some sense for those without a robust immune system, but for healthy people, it makes a lot more sense to get the bug, get over the bug and get on with your lives.

That’s far too rational. We have never had a flu jab, never, yet we have received two letters from our GP asking us to phone for an appointment at the same time asking us to save the NHS money by going digital. I expect our GP get a bonus for every vaccination.

Bella, do you think your GP does it for the love of healthcare? They are paid for everything, or they do nothing. They’ve been paid a fee to look after you for the last year, despite closing their doors to you.

We have decided that it wasn’t worth my wife, my son and I having the dead flu jab this year but thought it was sensible for our daughter to have it as she was undergoing chemotherapy and blood cell therapy. Also, such is her vulnerability to a live vaccine, that she would have had to miss two weeks of school, after all the other kids had had their snort unless she had had her dead flu jab. But the point is it is all down to personal choice facilitated by full access to ALL the information, not just the propaganda the liars at PHE feed us.

£10.00 per flu jab, £12.50 for vaccine × 2 = £25.00 a head.

What are these vaccines for? Nothing to do with the virus that is already under control.

Do you think this is about health?

No way is it to do with health.

You mention a vaccine that might work. I guess I would have concerns over something that has taken a such a short time to develop compared to the usual years of tests and trials that is the norm. Fair enough, possibly, if this virus was set to kill 30% of the population, it might be a fair trade off, but with 99.6% of the population not being severely compromised by the virus, I don’t feel mass vaccination is required – I personally will stick with my immune system. The other concern is the type of vaccine, ie using RNA, which is a novel method – long term implications unknown.

Once you YES to one of their demands you have given them the incentive to continue making even more demands.

I think they should try it themselves first.

It’s not a bad thing to be discerning of everyone we follow either voluntarily or through no choice and often they will have differing views to us in some areas. Having trust in them arguably makes it more important to be discerning of the information they give us and this is healthy for our own critical thinking.

I know the Irreverend podcast has been advertised on this site and having started to listen to it I would recommend it because their heart behind what they say on various matters comes across very clearly and their heart is for God and for loving people which contrasts considerably with the state and msm rejection of God and true empathy.

My other take on this is that I believe there is divergence of motive/fear where some pro-lockdowners are fearful of a vaccine and see lockdown as the lesser of the two evils. This unfortunately means they reject sceptical views as being dangerous to them – in their view our lack of co-operation is leading to them having to be vaccinated.

On the other hand some are so trusting of the overarching reach and power of the pharmaceuticals and political/legal authority that they’re prepared to believe a rushed vaccine can be stamped as safe and effective as surely ‘they’ wouldn’t lie to us.

I need to swim regularly to manage my arthritis. Will the leisure centres open up now I wonder? It’s so cruel for many people and children who love and need swimming.

The stiffness and pain is getting me down. It’s not just about me. I need to stay mobile as I care for my disabled grandson who cannot stand independently or walk.

The closing of swimming pools was crazy, many smaller pools never managed to re-open after the first lock-down and may well never re-open now.

Its bonkers that swimming pools together with gyms and other sports facilities have been shut.

Do they want people to stay healthy or not?

Just like with many other things, this doesn’t make sense.

It’s not intended to make sense. See earlier postings about harsh implementation of pointless rules being in the totalitarian handbook.

I was in the U.S. Army. Our Sergeants and Officers were always coming up with nasty surprises to keep us on our toes. One day we came back from training and the bathroom was covered with toilet paper, shaving cream and all kinds of crap. There was a message written on one of the mirrors that said ‘this place is a pig sty’.

No but as has already been said, this is nothing to do with our health.

For the sake of argument, say you had an agenda to reduce the headcount of society, in particular the elderly and the ill, how would you go about it whilst making it look like you aren’t?

A “deadly” virus appears and you order social behaviours that will, if complied with, reduce the health of the population – something you cover up by means of fake studies and a compliant MSM. This health reduction will achieve your aims of reducing the lifespan of the elderly and the ill whilst allowing you to claim that the social changes you have ordered are there solely to protect that category of people.

The social changes that you have ordered will also bring about an economic collapse – something that the 1% of society will know about in advance, allowing them to position cash in Switzerland/Cayman Islands etc such that when the bottom is reached, they can swoop in and buy the assets of failed businesses at rock bottom prices, allowing them a headstart for the next economic cycle.

The future reduction in headcount coming from making your population ill will reduce future social costs and benefit the 1% of the future (the present 1%’s children/grandchildren).

In addition, the effects of an economic collapse globally (by co-ordination of 1st world government actions) will be felt very badly in the third world, where population growth tends to be higher. This will indirectly lead to a reduction in population there, buying time before population explosion in the third world impacts negatively on the 1st world.

If you can imagine the above as a “Yes Minister” sketch, you can see it as what is happening now.

Good follow up to the DHSC tweeting about the DM’s article being misleading
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8973737/Fury-government-uses-Twitter-propaganda-tool-attack-Mails-covid-analysis.html

Looks like they have shut down comments though….. ?

Comments are open and working now.

The purpose of lockdown is to prevent us achieving herd immunity (or prevent us from seeing that we’ve achieved it) and to keep the covid scam running until the Great Reset is delivered.

The new normal is not gonna be good for normal people.

To prevent us from discussing what is going on.

Shutting down pubs, clubs and organised social activities does just that.

Reopen them. Organize a coordinated rollout in the countryside, nationwide, worldwide. Link up with others around the world.

Go underground

Important though technical articles are – and of course we should know the facts – this has now gone way beyond arguments about t-cells and mask performance.

What is at stake is a very simple question: do we want to live in a free country or a biofascist dictatorship?

If the answer is yes, then all we have to do is sit back and let it happen. Today’s Telegraph was trailing a ‘Freedom Pass’ conditional on twice weekly tests and a ‘Health Passport’ – it’s pretty obvious that it will be used to exclude non-conformists from normal life in the globalists’ New Order.

If the answer is no, then we need to say so and mean it.

Unfortunately, there is no middle ground now.

Yes, looks like that digital surveillance machinery the ‘conspiracy’ crowd warned about is going full steam ahead with Health passports. Lucrative contracts with government for suppliers of innovative surveillance systems. Bezos will be in on it with the latest gizmos. All the powerful players are singing off the same hymn sheet, our ‘old school’ daily lives are gone.

How are they going to issue/manage health passports? Their test and trace programme failed because it was based on an Excel spreadsheet and people don’t answer ‘unknown’ numbers on their mobile. Companies have already come out and said that it would be economical suicide to limit their customer base so severely. Plus I’ll guarantee that your local corner shop will be selling ‘examples’ of the said documents within days, £20 and fill in your info. Fit to fly documents are already available in Blackburn.

https://www.ibm.com/products/digital-health-pass

‘supporting the exchange of an individual’s health status’

’As individuals may need to present their health status to return to public places, organisations are looking for solutions that can help calculate the risk of COVID -19 while protecting privacy.’

Powered by blockchain, IBM Digital Health Pass uses a smartphone.

So we will have a two-tier society. One tier with smartphones and one without.

You’re absolutely right. The facts have never supported this. But as far as the government is concerned, the facts are irrelevant.

Still can’t be bothered to get yourself an ID that isn’t already in regular use, I see. (Assuming you are the new Mark who started posting occasionally a month or so ago. If not, mistaken identity.)

What’s the difficulty? Too lazy? Too stupid? Just too inconsiderate about the inevitable confusion likely to arise?

Change your name to “Mark-The Original And Best”?

Thought about it, but why should I have to change just because this person barges in so rudely (I tried polite engagement at first, but was just ignored – he seems generally not to reply to any comments addressed to him).

So I’ll just flag up any of his posts that I would prefer not be falsely associated with by pasting the above saved comment below it.

Just the kind of petty irritant created by people who act inconsiderately.

Unfortunately happens all over the internet with those using plain names? Works OK on less visited sites, but less well on those that get masses of comments. I’ve seen Two-six’s suggestion work fine on a smaller community site, where it was obvious to everyone that the imposter was a fake.

First time I’ve encountered it, probably because in the past I’ve been on proper forum software that simply doesn’t allow duplicate logged in posting ids. The WordPress stuff is, I think, probably designed for light traffic blogs without many sustained commenters (though I was rather amazed to hear there is no option in the software to bar duplicates – seems pretty basic, and presumably trivial to implement, to me).

Again though, there’s a perfectly simple workaround when decent folk are involved – just choose an id that isn’t a duplicate of one already in regular use. Sadly this commenter seems incapable of doing so and has been too rude even to engage on the issue to explain why he or she is incapable of doing that.

Yes I agree…I do tire of the technical arguments about models and T cells etc.I am an academic but i honestly think all this is about deeper moral and philosophical issues.

Do our freedoms belong to us and are they inalienable?

Is it acceptable for government to take over every aspect of our lives?

Is it morally right for people’s jobs and businesses to be destroyed completely to achieve some alleged greater good?

etc

Where did being decent hard working law abiding citizens get us?

Is it better that I sacrifice myself in the cause of freedom (as many have before) in the hope that my children and grandchildren will have this abomination lifted from them?

They will be paying for their servitude their entire lives while Bill Gates laughs into his Bitcoins.

The ONS figure of deaths up to week 45 is 517,614 (England and Wales), compared to an average of 459,095 for the prior 5 years, giving excess deaths of 58,519.

However, the population has increased and aged over the last 5 years. When you adjust for that, the death rate assuming 2020 were a normal year should have been 484,482, so excess deaths are 33,132.

At a very conservative estimate 15,000 are due to non-direct effects, i.e. people not seeking medical attention etc.

Anybody with an iota of sense can see lockdowns have achieved virtually nothing if that.

So we have destroyed our country and our economy for the sake of 18,000 people, of whom around 1,800 are under 65.

Well done, Boris, keep on destroying lives and livelihoods, creating mass unemployment, suicide and mental health nightmares to protect a few very old people !

‘But… but every other country in the world has done it!’

Doesn’t mean it’s right. The social media age has massively fostered groupthink, allowing world leaders to both copy each other and compete to be the most virtuous in their ‘response to the pandemic’.

Very few people look objectively at the figures, they hear the word death and go into a panic as if the Grim Reaper was chasing them down the Street. Many people have no ideas how many people normally die in the UK but just get hysterical when they hear the word.
Flu can be a major killer 28,330 flu deaths in 2014/15 but somehow flu never had the PR agent that Covid seems to have.
The current total registered deaths in the UK are not out of line with the norm and are no reason for emergency action but that will not stop them. Hancock and Johnson look terrifying, deranged , demented and completely unhinged, I’m not terrified of covid i am terrified of these monsters running our country.

I agree with the description of Johnson, but Hancock deranged yes, but terrified, unfortunately not. He seems to be enjoying every second on his podium of power, dictating how the little people should conduct themselves. He doesnt even remotely look as though he has lost a single hour of sleep, unlike many of us.

I said to three people yesterday that come mid January it will be clear that overall mortality for 2020 will be much the same as usual* and then you’ll have to ask what lockdown was for.

*with caveat for suicides and NHS neglect deaths.

Take it back to September 2019 and mortality will be below average.

Yes, like other countries that were hit hard by COVID, we had a year of significantly below-trend mortality before the pandemic.

Look at Bozo’s eyes top of page, they look dead to me.

Absolutely – been saying this since May, but no-one i know has listened to me. My brother has been saying these things for 13 years or more and we all thought he was a nutter til March.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=boris+johnson+bill+gates&ia=web
BJ and BG sitting in a tree k i s s i n g.

Boris can stick his new stricter tiers where the sun don’t shine. Nobody I know was complying fully with Lockdown2 and nobody will comply fully with tiers.
As for the totalitarian freedom pass.? No way. I’ll avoid all testing unless I’m really ill and the vaccination because I don’t need it and don’t trust that it’s safe I will go about my business however as much as I am able with no reference to anybody else’s permission. This has all gone too far.
I regret that our Christmas plans this year were always going to be modest and will therefore likely comply with what we are “allowed” to do.

Great post Laurence. Would you be able to provide a link to the excess deaths adjusted figure so I can use the figures to do some “tutoring in the ways of righteousness” on Facebook? Thank you.

Well said. I’m not complying with this second lockdown and the government can take a hike with their new tier systems.

Those who are still asleep and swallowing the propaganda whole are complicit in the destruction of lives & livelihoods, unemployment, bankruptcies, deaths from untreated illnesses and suicides, mental health issues, domestic violence, substance abuse and retardation of children & young people’s development.

They have blood on their hands.

This extreme use of authoritarianism is going to result in an anarchist backlash later down the line, like how Marxism-Leninism was a backlash to Tzarist tyranny.

somewhere in yesterday’s Roundup it was reported that Antifa XR groups had turned up at the Berlin Sceptic protests to help police hose them down with water cannons*
Do they not understand that Scepticism is cross party ?

(*They arrived too late apparently).

They are not actual anarchists, they are only called that as an insult, as many XR principles are incompatible with anarchism

They are part of the Global Action Plan. Who pays for all their transport and accommodations?

Lockdown the government. Masked 24 hours a day. How many will survive?

Lord Malloch Brown Revealed: The British Hand Behind The US Election Coup Attempt Shows Its Scales Again — Puppet Masters — Sott.net

I heard him mentioned in the press briefing by Sydney whats-er-name a couple of days ago – it stood out because someone said the other day to keep an ear out for that name.

Sidney Powell.

That Nature paper is super important. Not only does it rubbish asymptomatic transmission, and hence make the whole mask wearing thing a nonsense, but it shows what good mass screening looks like.

Samples handled consistently, nothing positive with a Ct count above 37, classed at no risk of being positive over 40 (double checked in between)….and viral cultures done as well (all of which were negative).

Makes you wonder why our results from testing show so many “cases“? Could it be that our testing is chaotic and completely shit? I wonder….

From Dr Claire Craig on Twitter- China is trolling us with this study and Nature should be ashamed to publish it. She thinks none of the data is plausible and points out that all the previous studies claiming there was asymptomatic transmission were also from China (and fake)

https://twitter.com/clarecraigpath/status/1330390117576531971?s=21

Really?! what’s their agenda saying there is, then there isn’t?
very strange

i have read her criticism now. First the volume of tests they have done. Agree it is a lot, but it is not implausible. The Chinese can achieve a lot when they put their resources behind it.

Second the low levels of infection. I agree it’s startlingly low, relative to what we see elsewhere in the world. But could it also be that our high figures are utter bullshit and an artefact of chaotic laboratories, no standardised approach and general incompetence? given that few people are actually sick with COVID here, I am inclined to think it’s more likely the high numbers in the U.K. are bollocks than the low ones in China are.

Could it be that the Chinese have realised that if the rest of the world is in an economic spiral forever because of the reaction to the virus, that they might get to rule the world, but it’ll be a poor world to rule over if nobody is doing anything, buying anything or going anywhere? So time for a bit of reality?

Only just spotting this now. I wrote something above, about the IFR being too low – 3K dead from 35K infections. Ie, the infections are too low, which intuitively makes sense, and hence can one in fact rely on anything they say relating to asymptomatic etc?

Almost the entire globe have taken the strategy of lockdown from the Chinese and used it without question. Yet they will question this paper because it does not fit their warped narrative. Would I trust it, no, but that also applies to lockdowns, masks and all the other shit.

Ivor Cummins called them “the China guidelines” in a video I saw today.

Interesting. The “people falling over dead in the street” Chinese video made me wonder if this was some sort of experiment by the Chinese to see how the West would react. They might not have expected the dire consequences that have resulted. Could have surprised them that our countries would all voluntarily self-implode their economies. It’s certainly shocked us.

But you’re right, China is still a huge exporting nation even if they’re putting more emphasis on their internal markets. They are killing the goose that laid the golden egg if they allow our economies to fail completely. So why not give us evidence so that our governments can back down.

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I don’t trust her, or anyone anymore

That is why China are completely finished with the virus.

Now watch the fact-checkers ban Nature.

I agree with Captain G that Claire Craig’s comment on this new Nature article is very relevant and I cannot understand one of the commentator here dismissing everything she says. This is a paradox. Most of the previous publications stating asymptomatic transmission came form China and we were sceptical then of those claims. Then this new article from China saying the contrary is suddenly accepted. Anything from China must be viewed with utmost suspicion. Their mask studies have all been appalling. Another commentator apart from Claire Craig has also come out against the article, Kevin McKernan a world leading expert in PCR and also a lockdown sceptic. He has serious criticism in this study as regards the technical details (and he is a leading expert on PCR) and also questions the ridiculous low false positivity rate. The twitter thread link from him is below. Nevertheless, Fauci was right in January, never in the history of respiratory virus epidemics has the transmission been driven by asymptomatic. People forget that many with C-19 have so mild symptoms, which they never would have stayed home from in normal times.
 https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1330349914140921861

Not dismissing. Questioning. There is a difference.

The Coronovirus Act is Null and Void.

http://r.mail.crowdjustice.co.uk/mk/mr/NyMHXV9C_w-dM1kzqxuU92JwoYlVesfGMCwvKRc18_adMjgmeg5J6ZqURNjUtYDhzlOtqbQ2PZI5LplvjgkmtBURxt7qiisM7LRADBmnkAN1F9ZfQsv_Gg

Thanks for that – I wasn’t aware of this case.

Where are the punks, anarchists and bikers of our youth? All I see now is fat middle aged people who say “I’m not allowed to…” game over.

And the bad thing is many of them the propaganda wholesale.

Yes, what has changed?

In a Telegraph column of 12 January 2006 by Our Dear Leader, Liar Johnson, lamented the lack of spirit in contemporary rock stars, comparing the weak Kaiser Chief’s song ‘I predict a riot’ with The Clash’s ‘White Riot’, a far more direct and robust piece of work.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3622260/Blair-is-not-going-to-get-yobs-off-the-streets-youll-have-to.html

Here’s an extract:

… James Blunt seems drippy next to the rock stars of the good old days, he is positively macho by comparison with the Kaiser Chiefs. These are the weeds from Leeds whose hit single was I predict a riot, a tale about the bourgeois apprehension of a chap who tries to get a taxi on a Saturday night in the centre of town.

“Watching the people get lairy/It’s not very pretty I tell thee./ Walking through town is quite scary/And not very sensible either,” sing these epic softies. Then the chap meets another chap in a tracksuit, who looks as though he might offer violence, but doesn’t, and that’s about it. It’s pathetic!

When I was a nipper it was standard practice for a rock star to start the evening by biting the head off a pigeon and throwing the television out of the window before electrocuting his girlfriend in the bath and almost drowning in a cocktail of whisky, heroin and his own vomit. The self-respecting British punk rockers didn’t get up on stage and start whimpering about how they predicted a riot. They incited riots. “White riot, I want a riot, white riot, a riot of my own,” they sang, if my memory serves me correctly.

I’ve said it before, it seems to be the anarcho-SWP window smashing, “Stop the City” lately Occupy rebels of my youth who are the keenest to meekly do what Boris tells them. Weird!

I agree. I used to follow the Grateful Dead (American hippie jam band from San Francisco in the 60s). Their followers were rebellious hippie types who talked about the last American adventure. Now some of my Deadhead friends take pictures of themselves wearing GD-themed masks.

Georgia had all of the 100 listed long covid symptoms

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ive-nearly-every-long-covid-19314010?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Yeah right, course you did Georgia

Slap her.

The Lord Sumption article in the Daily Mail should be read by everyone. It is a sermon. A rational, reasonable, responsible message. The problem is, the people in my life who desperately need this message will not read it BECAUSE it is in the Daily Mail. Before this crisis I would have been one of those people. I have boycotted two newspapers in my life: the Daily Mail because of the stance it took on Brexit (being a staunch remainer), and the Guardian, partly over the stance it took on the nightmare we are currently living in. And it’s led me to believe this. The real crisis, the real threat to our lives is POLITICAL POLARIZATION. There are people in the US, people I used to align with and respect, who are putting their 3-year-old children in face masks, making their children live in a sea of expressionless faces, forever damaging them – psychologically and physically – ONLY because they hate Trump so much. I can’t stand the guy, I’m appalled by much of his behaviour and am opposed to many of his actions. But when people can’t think for themselves and even jeopardise their children’s lives… they are in a political CULT. Nothing less. Dark times ahead. Where can we go and live while this plays out? Where? Any ideas?!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8973529/LORD-SUMPTION-morally-wrong-government-control-freaks-tell-Christmas.html

Left, right, in the middle, gay, straight, male, female, black, white, anyone else we can think of, we are all in this together

No freedom = No peace

We stay right here and we show our faces and we smile
and we tell the cultists to get stuffed.

Annie, you’re a braver soul than me. I went in a shop this morning. First time in months. With my mask exemption lanyard on. Absolutely horrifying. All the masked zombies. Just sickening. Still trying to get over the experience now hours later. You all who brave the shops all the time have my admiration. Masks trigger vague flashbacks of the anonymous attack I suffered a dozen years ago. Can’t do it.

I’m completely with you on the Daily Mail frustration. Haven’t even bothered sharing with and friends because it will actually be detrimental to the cause – “oh it’s in the DM I should believe the complete opposite and why have you turned into a right wing Trump supporter” etc

Newspaper quotes verifiable sources, most of which are government’s own figures – Lies!
Fat man goes on telly and shows meaningless graph – “Oh, he must be right – be afraid, be very afraid”

Yeah, them’s the kind of friends you need…

I get “Q Anon supporter” thrown at me by former friends for daring to suggest that we question the figures and the approach. You are right.

Funny, a year ago I would have agreed with them. I was a Guardian reader until the cognitive dissonance got so bad that I started reading the DM. Found that I now have more in common with them than Guardian readers. Guardian readers don’t seem to care about ordinary people, which was a hallmark of the left when I was growing up 60 years ago.

There are far too many people who do not read anything longer than a headline. I have a friend who once told me she had never read a book!!

Somebody on here said this a while ago. If you ask people to tell you about something they saw in a newspaper on on SM they will say “I saw something about…” well this means they saw a headline but what they aren’t saying is “I READ” something.

There is a big difference between the two things. Many people just literally “SEE” a headline and that’s it.
End of.

This is literally Propaganda 101 – I mean literally, it is undoubtedly taught in classes about opinion manipulation. Most people don’t read beyond the headlines, most of the time.

That’s one reason it’s more important to have the headline editors on your side than the writers.

Read the latest article here
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/11/the-pfizer-vaccines-meaningless-90-effectiveness-and-the-circus-surrounding-it/

They focus on the vaccine hype but strongly make the point you have that division is the goal.

I’m a liberal dual citizen. Didn’t vote for Trump. Hate the guy. But when I saw people saying “Trump’s virus” in the States, I knew I did the right thing sitting out the election. Couldn’t bring myself to vote for Biden and glad now that I didn’t. From what I’ve seen on FB of my liberal friends’ reactions to the election and the virus, I’m now starting to believe in Trump Derangement Syndrome. Obviously, I already believe in Covid Derangement Syndrome.

As for where can we go and live, I could use a big hint myself. I’m in the UK right now, but have debated endlessly about going back to the States. There might be more of a pushback in the US, but I don’t know. And lots of states seem to require masks outside, which would then confine me inside. Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Sorry if the ads intrude. Here’s Annie Ross singing, Gerry Mulligan on Baritone Sax: Devil and the deep blue sea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbHsm0CX8Zw

Mail on Sunday (same website, different editor) was Remain if I recall correctly. Nowadays the Mail does more investigative journalism than the rest of the UK papers put together, and it reaches a lot of people.

More from the excellent Mike Yeadon

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So these MPs still won’t do anything because they don’t have the power. Howe stupid and pathetic!
Next election they will all be out (both Conservative and Labour)

Seen elsewhere

Oh I love that!

Better than this… Brighton & Hove not caring HOW they spread the propaganda. Just coerce mask wearing however you can. I’m furious!!

That’s fucking awful, and my council? Fuming 😤

I’m not upticking that – sorry!
Shitty demonic bastards.

Ugh

In a sense it’s a great ad ! None of those reasons listed have anything to do with preventing the spread of the virus, it’s almost as if they admit it is blatantly useless in that regard !

Fantastic!!!

I knew there was a way to subvert that poisonous slogan, but I wasn’t bright enough to think of it!

There’s a slightly higher resolution version available here .

See also https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusCirclejerk/ for some other gems, such as the attached Darth Vader meme.

That’s brilliant!

Love it, although would love to see a Kylo Ren version. Wears a mask just for the look, prone to tantrums when opinions challenged, very existence due to the perversion of a once great franchise.

The 10pm curfew, how’s that going?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55032502

#goslowtosayno

1st December, 5pm.
Drive in your local area at 10mph.

Yes, we do need to make some sort of protest. Also sound horns?

There were some good car ideas flagged up by Toby. It needs to be something that is not illegal, very difficult to ‘police’ and makes a big statement – somethign co-ordinated would be great.

Get stuffed .

Great!

Hear, hear!!!! 👏 👏

Four freedoms by Norman F***king Rockwell, freedom from fear, freedom from want, freedom of speech freedom of worship. Never forget

Don’t forget SAGE in your stuffing.

Update from one of the other legal challenges to restrictions:

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/

Update on The Coronavirus Act 2020 is Null and Void!

To our Great Supporters,

We received a pathetic response from the Government Legal Department on Friday, 13th November, which was the latest time to the day that they had to respond! This was after they spitefully rejected our reasonable request for urgency. The truth is they are dragging their heels at every opportunity as they are terrified of our legal action against them! So far it has now been over 3 months since we commenced our legal action on 7th August.

Their lamentable response is now available on our Case Page for your amusement. We were very happy that they decided to pad out their response by including a “full chronology of events and relevant legislation passed”. This is nothing short of an own goal, as it just demonstrates the massive, completely unprecedented amount of ludicrous secondary legislation that has been churned out. All passed in an under-hand, unprecedented way without any real Parliamentary scrutiny or checks and balances.

We are now compiling a response to them and we will have plenty to say about it. Of course the most important is the way this Government of Occupation has abused, assaulted and defiled our Constitution, our Common Law, our Democracy, our Freedoms, our Sovereignty, our Legal System, our Parliament, our individual Legal Rights and our Human Rights. Further, they have falsely declared an “emergency period” which is something they have invented, instead of declaring a State of Emergency. Had they done this, we would have the protections given under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, as this would automatically have been triggered. There is no excuse for this, as a State of Emergency has even been declared over strikes historically and has been deliberately avoided now in order to create this tyranny and control over us.

Other issues include the false claim that many of of our challenges are out of time when we had already commenced those challenges. Also, the fact that our Claimants are not business owners and somehow it is deemed that they are not victims. However, we can all be considered victims when the businesses and services that we want and need are taken away from us with unlawful legislation. Further, the Government Legal Department cannot be considered at all credible as it thinks that this fake and corrupt secondary legislation can somehow have precedence over Statute Law! These are just some examples of the many failings of this response. They are defending the indefensible, you can be assured that we intend to fight this every step of the way and take back our Rights and Freedoms that have been stolen from us by this Government of Occupation!

It is so important that people get to know about our legal action and it would be amazing if you could:

• Send this email to everyone you know and ask them to support our case to end this tyranny and insanity and,
• Share our link on Facebook: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/ .
• Also please donate anything you can to our campaign which is for all our futures.

Thank you again for your help in our fight against Government tyranny and oppression. Together we can break down ‘Gates of Hell’, defeat the Dictators and take our lives and freedom back!

Best wishes,

The People’s Brexit

If I’m correct, it’s the 1984 Health Act that’s part responsible for the totalitarianism we’re experiencing now. I’ve not heard that that Coronavirus Act is over. Doesn’t make sense since things are getting worse and worse

Asymptomatic Spread. It’s so, so convenient.

But what’s more plausible?

a) There is a clever virus out there that can so invade the cells of your body to the extent that you become infectious – and yet you don’t even notice.

OR

b) There are many people out there who feel ill, know they feel ill, exhibit symptons and yet go about their daily business – because they have to . They need to shop, to work, to pick up their kids – in other words all the awkward things that people have to do. They do not have other alternatives available. They have to do it themselves.
If asked if they are ill, they will……lie. It’s human nature.

So, which is more plausible? a) or b) The exotic or the mundane?

B

And B

And I think B

I am amazed that they got away with this lie for so long.

Scientists know that when you have a viral infection you will have symptoms – that is the body’s way of fighting viruses

Feeling quite depressed today. Had a big argument with my parents over this whole mess last night. They actually think lockdowns are worth it. Every time I tried to explain the massive collateral damage, they just snarled back ‘We’re not talking about that!’ – well no, of course you’re not, because the collateral damage is the main and strongest argument against your slavish support for the most damaging policy in history. Lockdown is only supportable if you pretend that it doesn’t have enormous downsides. They cited the dodgy SAGE modelling and, believe it or not, my mum cited the Derbyshire village of Eyam being locked down in the 1600s for the PLAGUE as evidence that lockdowns work. Hm yes, 1600s disease control, how scientific and enlightened!

No matter how many arguments against this rubbish I presented to them, with evidence, they would either talk over me or snap, ‘Well become an MP then, do something about it’. Charming. I have never seen eye-to-eye with my parents for a number of reasons that I won’t go into today.

My parents are in their mid-fifties. Mum used to work part time at a school but now doesn’t because she’s ‘scared’ (she is also lucky enough to be able to afford not to work) and dad has worked from home throughout this with a reasonably secure job. They are both convinced that they are at ‘high risk’ from this disease and that they are guaranteed to end up in hospital if they catch it. Neither of my parents have underlying conditions and both eat healthily/exercise. Classic middle class worried well. Meanwhile I am getting a second-rate online university education for no fee reduction, can’t see my bf of 3 years (my only bridge to sanity right now), will be graduating into a shrunken job market, and am battling long-term mental health issues.

I know deep down that arguing with family over this is not helpful and won’t make it all go away, but I just find it so upsetting that my own flesh and blood holds opinions that would have been unthinkable just a year ago. It is so so difficult and a big slap in the face when your own family becomes what you’ve been fighting against for so long. I’m trying desperately to resist the resentment that is brewing but how can I not when I feel so strongly about this? The government is radicalising members of my own family. I no longer recognise my fellow countrymen when they cheer for a policy which literally kills people.

The Spanish Civil War had this effect on families too. Go and break the rules and see your partner anyway, it will feel empowering. My Dad said yesterday he couldn’t see us again (having seen us Friday) because he “had to draw the line somewhere”. Makes no sense at all and I told him as much. People have become imbecilic and I have lost respect for their views on this, having been quite tolerant previously. Good luck.

They shall not pass.

No passeran!

Poppy

Me and the OH are full on sceptic

We will adopt you

That’s really nice. 👍

We would all be proud to have Poppy and those like her in our family. Such a shame that her real family doesn’t value her clear thinking but hopefully bridges can be built when this is all over.
I keep saying when because I cannot countenance if.

We will all adopt you. You will have love and hugs to spare!

See your bf anyway.

It must be particularly difficult with parents who believe the Lie. This government should burn in hell for an eternity for the damage they have caused.

My parents are both sceptics, but most of my siblings are collaborators.

I can only conclude that belief in coronabollocks is rather like a disease in itself. Some experience in our lives has made my parents and I immune to the bullshit, but my siblings are immunonaive and have no protection against the mind virus. And once the virus sets up shop, cure is almost impossible.

I am reconciled to not talking to my siblings until they have been cleansed of the disease. What form that cleansing might take, I do not know.

Go and see your boyfriend. If he can’t come round to you, meet up somewhere – so many people out and about ignoring the lockdown, who will know you are not ‘one household’.

In the local park today and it was mobbed, hundreds if not a thousand or more. Lots of big groups and no noticeable (anti) social distancing. The only mask wearers were two teenage girls, obviously dumb enough to still see masks as a beguiling fashion accessory.

Poppy, we’ve had this conversation before – go see your guy now! Don’t let them take that, of all things, away from you.

Poppy, I’m closer to your mum’s age. When I read your brilliant, eloquent writing, it gave me hope. I think you said you are 22. You are more important than most of us here. You are the future. Don’t worry too much about your parents. I fell out with my father, a medical doctor who married a devout Christian, who would not agree with me, in front of her, that a human body cannot be LITERALLY dead for 3 days and then get up and walk around. Unfortunately this situation has created a new religion. Believers are not interested in facts. They have been threatened with death if they challenge the propaganda. You can’t deprogramme them. They have been radicalised. I’m so sorry. I know – from experience – how upsetting it is when people you love have closed their ears. But you have so many supporters. You will find your real “family” as you move through life. Never give up your integrity. I can tell you from experience… it’s the one thing they can never take from you unless you give it up. Stay strong. The world NEEDS young women like you more than ever!

Awh hugs Poppy. I almost got into an argument with MIL last night over the phone about it all…….she is all for lockdown and driven by death rates etc. My friend who is also a lockdown loon wanted to meet for a coffee today and I sadly made an excuse not to go because I couldn’t bear to hear her go on about the nonsense anymore and get into a row. It can feel hopeless at times.
Go see your boyfriend anyway!

The effects of this strange mental infection are baffling and infuriating indeed, Poppy. I would give huge credit to my father for bringing me up to think, with rigour, for myself, to value the scientific method and to approach life with a healthy dose of cynicism. Yet he has fallen prey to the disease and thinks everyone should just support the Government, while my typically less questioning 80 yo mother sees right through it and is determinedly going about her business and sticking 2 fingers up at our persecutors.

There is no rhyme or reason to how the sickness strikes! Keep thinking for yourself and try not to waste energy on resentment. We understand and your eloquent and insightful contributions are a highlight here.

You can class your boyfriend as your “support bubble” which is a nebulous term anyway but one that you can adapt for your purposes.

I know how you feel as I have friends who are lockdown zealots who I suspect are using the rules to avoid meeting socially so I have been doing a quid pro quo and not bothering with them either. As for my family, I’ve not really discussed this with them but I suspect that they will see the end justify the means. The good thing is they live overseas so its becoming a case of out of sight out of mind.

Its sad when crises like this expose people who know and love for who they truly are or who they can be and its a painful realisation. However we have to be steadfast and remain true to who we truly are. Do not feel resentment but keep on fighting.

Go see your boyfriend, screw the illegal guidelines.

Your parents are suffering from Covid Derangment Syndrome, I think we probably all have family members who have the same condition. Maybe try and see it that way and treat them as if they are ill. Tell them you’re worried about them and if they need any help, you can point them in the right direction.

I feel your pain although I am 2 decades off compared to your family (I am 46 with my parents 69/70). Both they and my siblings are lockdown zealots – the worst of whom is my woke, Guardian reading, millennial brother who told me, with a straight face, that the pubs would have to close anyway because he had stopped going to them.

Self awareness and Guardian reading are not often to be found in the same post code!
When the pubs open again, I’m sure they’ll manage without him.

My mum is open to my conversations on this however data and information on casedmeics does t do it. She resonates more with nurses and doctors speaking up as she’s a retired nurse herself. So maybe look to what would be the best angle.

Their advice is solid too. Do get political. And do something about it. Even just writing to your MP at the very least. But keep pushing.

My Dad is much more politically aware and a deep cynic with regards to politicians and state intentions having grown up in the worst of the Troubles. He’s also a religious man and he is upset with the Church for just closing their doors without a note of religious freedom being undermined. He knows most politicians are in it for themselves and won’t listen, he believes that, while the virus is a real concern, it’s not the plague and we should just get on with it. He’s diabetic and has heart problems so would be vulnerable but I have made it clear it’s always his decision about whether to stay zealously safe or keep things normal. I had the kids around yesterday and brothers and sister. House was packed.

I spoke with him yesterday on the government legal battles and said that it seems many now see the government has over reached, not least in terms of fines and curtailing fundamental freedoms. He agreed. I went further however and said that its corrupt to the bones and without going into the Global Reset and mandatory vax stuff, I told him this can only end well with Polticians in jail. Otherwise it won’t be a world where we will have won this. I bet him money it will happen though within 5 years. Hancock in jail.

Poppy my advice to you is let them go their own way on this. You will not change their mind so upsetting yourself is pointless. It sounds like your life is challenging enough at the moment so its better for you to surround yourself with people who uplift and support you. Its better to feel pity for them as being so fearful of life is tragic. My mother is 84 years old and is furious about the burden being placed on young people. She says ‘not in my name’. She has ignored all of rules throughout as an act of protest. When I hit a brick wall with people who believe the propaganda I quote Dr.John Lee ‘there is more to life than death’. For some reason this simple statement seems to strike a cord with them. Then I just leave it hanging there and move on. Oh by the way go and see your boyfriend!

My sympathies are with you and sounds like much of my own family. Some of whom are only now coming round to being sceptic- my oh was very much in the don’t want to talk about it category but is now at last seeing the bigger picture ( thanks largely to finally looking at this site – some of the jokes at the end of reports were what finally got him reading here) it is really hard when those you love and care for seem totally blind to reality. I have used the argument that it is because I love and care for them that I don’t want them to be totally blindsided when it hits them that this is not necessarily about a “deadly virus”.

My experience is the same Poppy; my few friends are all comparatively well off zealots, who will not acknowledge the shocking damage that this madness is wreaking on what’s left of our society: all they care about is ‘obeying the rules’ and ‘staying safe’.

My siblings and other blood relatives are less convinced but, since they’re all well paid professionals , WFH, they’re all benefiting at present: no commuting. less stress etc.

Since we have a troubled relationship at the best of times-owing to my own shattering experiences at the hands of male relatives, still not acknowledged or spoken of-they never discuss my scepticism nor do they offer any support for the sceptics’ protests and dissent.

I would say to you, see your boyfriend and believe in yourself, despite the difficulties. I’m much much older than you, but I face similar challenges every day.

We are with you.

Wendy, I hope you have had counselling for those experiences and can put them behind you as much as possible. Obviously being emotionally distant from your family is a necessary self defence mechanism.
It’s also very sad but all too predictable that I’m alright Jack is so prevalent. I’ve said before that this whole business means I’ll never believe the best of my fellow man again.

Thank you Steph, and yes, many years ago, in the immediate aftermath I did, but the family silence-they all know what happened to me- is an endless source of buried anger and frustration.

Still, I’ve learned that silence and emotional distance can be effective weapons,as they daren’t open the can of worms.

And as to ‘I’m alright Jack’; it’s so depressing ; committed Christians taking refuge in ‘obeying the rules’ and donning their mental ear muffs.

Wendy, you have more support here and throughout the world than you could ever dream of. Your close relatives do not need to acknowledge your trauma to validate it. You are a self-determined survivor. Power to you! Stay strong. Seek out those who stand with you. Pray (in non-denominational terms) for those who are too frightened to acknowledge the truth!

Thank you for your generous comment; most welcome.

Yo poppy, you can’t reason with unreasonable. Get used to it and cheer up. We need the brains and the youth you are blessed with to fight the bull. 😎❤️

That’s nearly exactly the same as my experience Poppy. MSM believing family, Zoom University and no future. I mainly have bad days too.

We are right behind you both. Please don’t forget you have friends on here. We can’t be with you physically but we are in spirit.

Poppy, if you use Instagram, please follow and reach out to @wandering_in_heels – she is incredible. Doing everything through the right legal channels and mounting a huge campaign against the mental health pandemic imposed on this country by ministers.

Think of yourself as red-pilled and live life.

Poppy, you CAN go and see your bf. Wasn’t there an interview with Hancock where he simpered that people in a “committed relationship” can visit each other’s houses. He was asked what “committed” meant, and he giggled – or some such – that the people involved would know what that meant.

Calling it collateral damage is to hide the fact that you are referring to crimes against humanity.

I wish everyone had seen the Sucharit Bhakdi video months ago when it first began

Ask your parents what a ‘case’ is

Ask them if they’ll be happy to be required to adhere to freedom passes

It’s still on YouTube, Chris Whitty saying that Covid is harmless to the vast majority of people (An Off-Guardian piece I think)

Say one thing to them that makes them question

Feel exactly the same way. Got chucked of the family WhatsApp group today for not keeping to nice news.

Sorry to hear this.
It’s important to break these tyrannical rules and to not comply – go and visit your boyfriend any time you wish and realise those complicit in building the architecture of future totalitarian tyranny will have to answer for this one day.
Even the proles in 1917 Russia never imagined they’d have their land stripped and reallocated. Your parents are safe with their safe pension / house for the time being only. Things change and change fast when the brakes are off. Remember how Cyprus raided peoples savings accounts a few years ago and there’s nothing anyone could do about it?
These people have become colluders and collaborators, similar to the French living under Occupation.
To quote the song, which side are you on?

In Germany, it’s the other way around.
The minority that is the resistance is mainly in their mid-fifties.
The people behind the lockdowns and mandatory vaccination are the OAPs, millennials and the GenZ kids.

That’s a great post Poppy.
I can see why you have been feeling depressed but you clearly have the intelligence and self awareness to give yourself the very best chance to come through this successfully

poppy ,i have the same thing with my sister who i love but she won’t listen to me and say will hang up the phone anytime i try to tell her anything . we must not give up and we will find our fellow scpetics

I wish I could help you and everyone else with the jobs situation. It’s not just a matter of putting food on the table, finding meaningful employment means human dignity.

My guess is that your difficulty in seeing your partner may lie in transport – if you’re a student I guess you don’t own a car? Is there someone who can sort out transport for you both so you can at least meet in a ‘third place’. You’d not actually be breaking any laws doing that if that’s a hang-up. Or is it that you would find it problematic to be absent from the university? In which case I highly recommend some clever sneaking, it’s a great morale boost and you will find that the authorities are not as vigilant as they would like you to believe.

Is there a list somewhere of members of the CRG? I would be 8nterested to see who they are.

To the post above wondering why none of the retailers who are in danger of administration taken a full page advert stating the damage lockdown has caused to their businesses, your guess is as good as mine.

The cynic in me thought that the big retailers would have supported the lockdown knowing that it would decimate their small competitors and leave the field to them. Unfortunately for them, its backfired as the lockdown has affected all businesses be it large or small. The idiots then become complicit in their own destruction by kowtowing to the restrictions and in many worse cases over egg the pudding by adding their own insane measures and let their ill trained staff lose to bully and harass customers.

Now with a second lockdown and the resumption of the tiered restrictions looming, why are they still not fighting back? I seriously doubt they will have a good Christmas revenue wise.

So perhaps they should stand up and say that they will defy the government, open up all their outlets and junk all restrictions – no social distancing, no masks, no sanitisers, no one way systems, etc. If the police come and try to shut them down, fobb them off and refuse the fines. Demand that they take it to the courts.

If all shops, restaurants, gyms, museums, churches, bingo halls, etc did this, the police and courts wouldn’t know where to start. They got us into this mess, see how they like it if people give it to them back.

Big businesses are afraid of looking bad in the court of public opinion by appearing to put money before lives

And quite possibly some of their boards of directors are bought into the narrative – they are not immune

Sooner or later the goons that these days pass for our police will kill a protester

The protester in Liverpool was restrained in a chokehold, repeatedly punched, and sprayed with CS whilst he lay on the floor

It is only a matter of time

A. D you know what, given the absolutely appalling ignorance of the media to displays of that nature at the protests already, I don’t think they’ll be goading the public into taking the knee if that does occur.

Hypocrisy is everywhereand it seems to be almost taunting the public, flying it right in their face.

That protestor should sue them for gbh win or lose they need to take some action.

And yet people here keep saying that we are winning! Anyone who has watched the Global Warming/Climate Change scam with increasing despair since the beginning has realised that Truth always loses to Evil, because Evil will do absolutely anything to win and ruthlessly exploits the very worst of Human nature. #Homo Non Sapiens

Climate change, Brexit and Trump. This man made scamdemic was the vehicle to overturn, overthrow and control us.

We are winning. Every day, more politicians wake up. Johnson is spent

Well, if it makes you feel better, go on believing that. I prefer to face the, admittedly bleak, reality.

Whether you’re winning or not you keep fighting for your life until victory is secured beyond doubt.

‘You cannot guarantee victory in war, but you can deserve to win.’ Winston Churchill

‘It’s a question of damnation or – a last chance. I am offering you a way back into the human family.[…] I’m offering you a place on the right side. I don’t know which will win.’

C.S. Lewis, That Hideous Strength , chap. 10.

Ever read his Screwtape Letters?

The difference is that there is some credible evidence on man made climate change. And largely a consensus in the wider scientific community.

You can argue the pros and cons of it, but it stands up to some scrutiny and so therefore is a much more difficult argument to win.

The Rona, on the other hand, is not. There are many, many credible scientists who are on our side and the case for lockdowns and mask is extraordinarily flimsy and in fact has pretty much been disproven – especially with the latest news on asymptomatic non-transmission.

With climate change the facts are not clear. With Rona they are. The only difficulty with Rona is educating the semi-intelligent. That will come.

Personally, I’m far less convinced climate change is fake than I am about Rona. And that’s because I look at the data without regard to the politics. But even if I’m wrong, Rona is an easy win compared to that.

The global warming hypothesis (increased carbon dioxide causes increased average global temperature) is shown to be flawed by simply looking at the relevant data. The past hundred years has seen a constant increase in carbon dioxide, yet the average global temperature has not constantly increased; on the contrary. There was a warming trend from 1920 to 1940; there was a cooling trend from 1940 to 1975; there was a warming trend from 1975 to 1998; since when there has been no statistically significant warming. Anyone who is scientifically literate can see the hypothesis is flawed.

0.04% of the atmospheres is CO2, and of that a tiny tiny tiny tiny proportion of that is man made. Man made climate change is bullshit and covid is exactly the same kind of bullshit coming from the same bullshitters.

CO2 is irrelevant compared with the contribution caused by water vapour.

Bullshitters Incorporated. Contaminating your world on a daily basis.

I’m here for the Rona not the climate change. Just saying it’s a lot easier argument to win so don’t let the direction of that debate deter you from fighting the Rona lies.

I’ve no interest in debating climate change as I don’t care much either way on that one.

The 2 are connected and cannot be separated.The corona scam is being used to enforce Zero Carbon on the UK.When asked what build back better meant,Johnson said it meant the Green new deal.Hence Windmills,cycle lanes and banning of petrol/diesel cars and gas boilers in new houses.This is only the start and the control grid being built will be used to stifle opposition to these insane measures once the public realise what they entail for the comfort and ease of their lives.

How can you jump from gas boilers being replaced etc to ‘control grids’ whatever they are. Natural gas will run out and its production and supply is highly politicised. In this on going green critique I never hear of any alternative. Why the f, does a greener future have to be totalitarian? No predictions of futurity get it right. Trial and error lead to changes from the plough to the gun ,steam,the internal combustion engine , digital. Could you tell me an Anglo – Saxon peasant could predict television?Personally I think more tree planting, more bioversity, and less cars sounds good. And yes these greener techs and industries will mean jobs, p,raps coming from soul sapping and zero contract employment.

Yes, but you’ve triggered some people who want to show you that you’re wrong.

No, he’s triggered some people who have a different opinion.

I disagree with him, by the way, but I also disagree with some of his responders.

and he has done the usual thing of making a statement as being true and then when questioned about it doesnt want to discuss – one of the “science is settled” brigade, which permeate both the anthropomorphic climate change argument and the covidian argument.
and that is the main point here. No argument is allowed against either standpoint otherwise you are a “denier”.
question just the safety of the new vaccine and you are an anti vaxxer.

But whilst it ok to make comparisons between the two areas and in particular how the MSM performs on both particularly the BBC an their “pseudo” science correspondents and the way the government is also now acting on both subjects I agree that here is the place to discuss the climate change question

“The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.”

If the eyes are the windows to our souls the photo above of our own Mad Mullah certainly seems to confirm it. His eyes look dead.

Tom Woods – a new hero to add to the list.
(He needs to move a copy of the vid to another platform before YouTube censors it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcm8Sc8f66o&t=63s

100%. His presentation is first rate, and as good an introduction to corona scepticism as you’re likely to find. It’s a great video to send to potential converts.

It is now crystal clear that Hancock, Gove, Johnson, Whitty, Vallance and SAGE are not going to change direction, will not listen to alternative views and are impervious to criticism and ridicule. They are too far invested into their version of the Schlieffen Plan and cannot/will not admit they are wrong.

All of us here and sceptical journalists newspapers and scientists are wasting our time trying to convince these people to change course.

The only relevant question now is how can we can get Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance out of office. This is the only way this madness will end.

I don’t think anyone here has believed those people could be persuaded to change course for a long time now

I think most of us are focusing on persuading the persuadable among the public and media and politics, hoping it will lead to the PM being ousted

That’s the only way forward. When Piffle said in April, after he was ill, that lockdown had “saved half a million lives”, I knew he had lost touch with reality. This is true Downfall stuff.

…and into a Court, preferably the one at The Hague.

Most politicians are reading from the same WEF script. Every country is reading from the WEF script. Removing a handful of politicians will make no difference, especially when Labour are worse than the Tories on lockdown

Can anyone here confirm whether social distancing is a law in Wales or just a guideline or recommendation? I’m going to be holding a dance party with a live band on the beach today as part of my 70th birthday celebrations and would like to be crystal clear in case challenged.

I don’t know about Wales. It was never law in England, only guidance.

Thanks Julian, possibly the same here in gwlag Wales then;

I have no idea about the law in Wales, but your post has made my heart sing, Melangell! Have a wonderful time and squeeze every bit of joy out of the occasion. Happiest birthday wishes too.

Thank you Charlie! You’re not 70 every day so I definitely plan to make the most of it!

Happy birthday! Had a quick look at the “guidance” and it’s deliberately unclear. To be safe, I suggest spreading out in groups of 4, plenty of room on the beach, and a great day for it!

Thank you 1835. Thing is we are doing circle dance. Most are not coronaphobes but understandably feel nervous about holding hands in the usual way because we are in a public place and who knows what snitches might be around. Some may use scarves to hold between the person on either side.

Looks like you will all have to be part of the same ‘extended household’ 🙂

https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2020-11/the-health-protection-coronavirus-restrictions-no.-4-wales-regulations-2020-as-amended-with-the-changes-illustrated_4.pdf

But, sod ’em.

I’m classifying this as an outdoor programme which is within the rules as long as it’s not over 30 people here.

Really sorry, rule if 4 is law here. Paragraph 6. https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2020-11/the-health-protection-coronavirus-restrictions-no-4-wales-regulations-2020.pdf

See my response to Sam – it’s an outdoor programme which is allowed for up to 30 people.

Go for it! Have a great day!

You’re a brave soul, aren’t you? If you’re swarmed by the Drakenstasi it will be an occasion to remember. And a live band, too! I hope the brass section wears masks to prevent you-know-what.

It is classed as a musical event which is allowed if not over 30 people. The band is our local world music band of 5 members: 2 singers, one guitarist and singer, one drummer, one violinist. No masks never not nowhere nohow.

There are many stone circles throughout the British Isles said to have once been revellers dancing in a ring. Sometimes there is an outlier stone known as the ‘Fiddler’ or ‘Piper.’ Local legends tell how they were turned to stone for dancing on the Sabbath day. Hopefully the new Church Covidians will not resort to such measures today…but if a new stone circle appears on a certain beach in West Wales, you’ll all know what happened…

Make absolutely certain that you video the local Heddlu filth if they turn up. The slightest error in procedure, sue the crap out of them.

You may get your outlay back!

You can always blame it on the Druids.
Pob lwc!

Update from The Coronavirus Act 2020 is Null and Void! one of the Judicial Review cases:

Much of [the Government’s] response is literary filibustering, including a lengthy chronology which actually adds to our case as it clearly exposes the extreme and unprecedented legislation that has been used as a weapon against the People.

We are now compiling a response to this attempt to frustrate justice.

Full details here:
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/

Nothing to get excited about unfortunately, but it is progressing slowly.

Does anyone have a clear picture of the exact status of all the various vaccines in terms of trials completed, next steps to approval?

I think the government feel they are in the home straight now and we’ll be getting cycles of stricter then less strict lockdowns all the way up to when the vaccine is rolled out

After the vaccine has been rolled out, it’ll be some variant of Tier 1 forever: Rule of six, social distancing, masks, mass testing, track and trace & self isolation, quarantine after travel, with possibly mass spectator events and other mass gatherings allowed restricted to the vaccinated. I can see pubs being table service only forever, dancing never allowed again outside of organised events, and everything being pre-booked only. Vaccine or negative test or both required for most international travel.

One of the main purposes of the national and stricter lockdowns and tiers is to make Tier 1 seem normal so people are not disappointed when it turns out that the vaccine has not “solved” the “problem”.

mass testing

If you’re infected with a genetic engineered piece of RNA via a VACCINE there is no more point* is mass testing because every sheelemming will have a positive “test”.
*except once again to boost PROFITS!

“Vaccine or negative test”

AGAIN… If you’re infected via jab, forget the “negative” “test”!

The GOAL OF THE VACCINE is to infected everyone with that piece of RNA just do provide TRILLIONS OF PROFIT to the Big Pharma Complex . All those working for this fraud and scam will be very well compensated.

Just look at Durão Barroso.

They are pushing the oxford/astrazeneca one which was suspended by the FDA in which a 24hr old braziliac doctor died two women in different states developed the same rare lingerie termine neurological condition and other series side effects.

Rare lingerie?
Vaccinate your knickers now, is it?

There is No Asymptomatic Spread

The results make good reading for lockdown sceptics

And that’s ABOUT IT!

Covid Immunity is for the Long Haul

Another good news study.

And that’s ABOUT IT!

The mass volume of sheelemmings are only “informed” via MAIN SHIT MEDIA and pró-propaganda for OPERATION COVID social media platforms.

So no wonder…

Associate editor of The Spectator Toby Young attacks Facebook’s ‘incompetent’ censorship policy, after an independent fact checker classified an Oxford Professor’s research on face masks as ‘misleading.’

A bit worried about this site when someone puts that Janet Daly Telegraph article on the top of ‘good reads’ today. Its very clear the message she is giving out that its all going to be worth it now the wonderful vaccines are here.
Taking experimental vaccines in great quantities is what this has all been about. My goodness how they have won, when people think that is a good outcome. For a virus that does not affect over 99% of us. And to those who think it will just be given to the ‘at risk’ groups, remember the UK has pre-ordered more than any other country in the world, more than the US, 50% more than the EU. It is very clear that 100% vaccination is the aim, and not with the conventional ones, but with the mrNA ones.

While adverse health effects of any vaccine may be bad for some/many, the worst of it is that the vaccine and the return to the Tier 1-style New Normal will be seen as a victory for vaccines and a victory for the lockdowns, and the next time some virus appears or mutates we’re back to square one.

IMMUNE SYSTEM
HAS NO
SIDE EFFECTS

It won’t be 100% vaccination. The super rich, civil servants, media figures and politicians will be exempt, or they’ll receive their own version. Sounds like a conspiracy theory, but after seeing an article about how international business people will be exempt from quarantine rules I think it’s plausible

By what authority does this government make edict and expect obedience?

They have no authority what they do have is mindless followers, control of what you use as money and violence.

The VOTE!

Voting for someone to represent you in parliament does not grant them the authority to violate your liberty.

And not having voted for someone representing you in parliament is 10x as infuriating.

Yep… CLEARLY that’s working very well!

How is the special GCHQ unit set up at No 10 to track down the virus getting on?

Children shall we have a look through the round window and see

PNN ‘So living in a bungalow in SW you say’

GCHQW ‘Who let you in?’

PNN ‘ Nobody lets me in, I run the feckin place now’

GCHQW ‘ Some progress, a team followed it to a dead letter drop in the bandstand. The pick up was a short bald bloke picked up by another bald bloke in a car

PNN ‘And’

GCHQW ‘We managed to get one of the team to secrete himself in the glove box when they weren’t looking. The audio was not good but it appears the whole thing is being run by a bloke called Bernard Castle or a guy called Bernard who lives in a castle’

PNN ‘And’

GCHQW ‘ There are 1,700 Bernard Castles living in the UK, we are in the process of rounding them all up and beating seven bells out of them till we make some progress

PNN ‘ Does Priti know?’

GCHQ ‘Know? she’s bought a new baseball bat’

PNN ‘I’ll put the tea on’

Just learned of a latest infringement upon shoppers in the SE of Scotland. The badly provisioned for retail outlet counties of East and Mid Lothian are banned from traveling to and shopping at the retail park that is usually used by them which is just within the city of Edinburgh. Police are patroling the site. I wonder how this is law but there it is.

See Edinburghlive for the official propaganda line.

Planned destruction of the economy for the Great Reset and the police are complicit

Look at government response to the Daily Mail article outing the fact twisting. Unbelievable!

https://mobile.twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1330216324258275329

I guess we must start converting all beds into ICU beds! No matter the health condition every sheelemming from this day forward will be placed on an ICU bed…

“It’s an infected nail! Quickly ICU bed”!

This way when the next FAKE PANIC is deployed they will have plenty of beds…

Most of the replies are along the lines of ‘What parts of it are misleading, please elaborate?’. Not the most sensible thing they’ve posted!

Let’s hope going to war with the DM turns out to be akin to Napoleon invading Russia or the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour.

Funny. DHSC get challenged by most

I have now sent the wording below to a whole heap of MPs , including my own, whether anyone will read or take any notice, I doubt it but I just felt I had to be able to say I did what I could. I tried to keep it all low key and reasonable in the hope that someone somewhere might read it and think it was from a reasonable person.

Dear  ??????????            22 November 2020

Lockdowns & Coronavirus Regulations

I am writing to urge you as an MP to consider very carefully before voting on any new proposals for Coronavirus restrictions in England when the current lock-down ends on December 2nd. The Coronavirus restrictions are mostly drafted as Statutory Instruments (SIs) made under the Public Health Act 1984, my understanding is that when Mrs Thatcher and her Government passed this act there was no thought of it being used to draft the sort of SIs that are being used to impose coronavirus restrictions.
The imposition of restrictions on personal liberties and freedoms in the name of Public Health is unprecedented in my lifetime and seems to run counter to the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Consequently a high bar of urgency and emergency needs to be passed to justify these draconian measures. Whereas the situation with coronavirus in the UK in spring 2020 was indeed alarming, to my mind, the current data and figures do not constitute an emergency situation. Indeed, the adverse effects of the lockdown itself on health, the economy are now as concerning as the virus itself.

SIs made under the Public Health Act have opening text along the lines of;
These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in England.

The Secretary of State considers that the requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to the threat.

I feel that all MPs need to ask themselves whether this wording is acceptable in the current circumstances or whether it is now time to move to a more usual non legal Public Health approach with this virus being dealt with by consensus, co-operation, medical support and guidance?

Yours Sincerely Mr Steve Martindale,

“??????????” aka scoundrel scum!

Very good. I hope it is read. I would have changed two words so that:-

Indeed, the adverse effects of the lockdown itself on health, the economy are now as concerning as the virus itself.

becomes:-

Indeed, the adverse effects of the lockdown itself on health, the economy are now more concerning than the virus itself.

But then you want to avoid sounding dogmatic so it is perhaps best that it has been sent as you’ve written it. Well done.

https://www.rt.com/uk/507421-jeremy-hunt-freedom-pass/

Jeremy Hunt’s vision for the New Normal :jabbed, tagged and gagged.

NO!

We need to have sight of his and his (Chinese) wife’s investment portfolio.

Very good point;agreed!

Pub curfew to be removed after Dec 2nd. to be replaced by last orders at 10.00 and an hours drinking up time.

“It’s 10.00 so last orders, do you want anything?”

“Yeah, can I have four pints of John Smiths please”

Proof, if any were needed, that the plonkers making the rules have absolutely no grasp on reality.

“Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic” comes to mind

It’s not that theu have no grasp on reality, but that they don’t care.

None of these rules are meant to be effective, or perfectly enforceable, or logical.

It’s all political theatre, made up to keep the fear and the pretence that “something must be done” and “the government is fighting the virus” going.

Got it in one!

These clowns probably don’t have friends or have ever been to a pub.

Aahh, the return of the legendary ‘Ten o clock swill’. Happy days.

Who would want one pint of JS never mind four?

must admit my experience of the 10pm was rather positive-on the stroke of 9.30 in many places bar staff would approach and instead of saying “finish up your drink” it would be “would you like another one before we shut?” no need to approach the bar as it was table service. The only down side was securing a table in the first place.

Just need to reverse the Sunday trading laws and it’ll be just like the good old days.

Just ask them WHY? Like Number Six did in The Prisoner ‘The General’ episode,

Really had enough of living like this so have ended up booking a holiday abroad next month. Trouble is, we have to take one of the ridiculous PCR tests to travel – cannot stand the fact that the fate of our travel is in the hands of a totally unreliable test. Anyway, that aside, as it will have to be done privately rather than via the NHS, does anyone know of a private company offering tests with a low Ct number? I wonder if the private firms actually tell you how many cycles their tests run at?

Any lab offering low CT tests will be swarmed and closed.

Private tests have a vested interest in giving an honest answer (ie low cycles); public-sponsored tests have a vested interest in maintaining the fake narrative, so will be higher cycles.

Rightangled.co

Been recommending them to my clients and in conversation with them, they said 35CT. No clients have had a positive test. Results within 24 hours of lab receiving them. Use HELLO10 for £10 discount.

Non-functioning URL.

did you do .co.uk ? surprisingly it is just rightangled.co no uk !

You’re asking for a non-scam version of the scam-PCR test.. I saw a comment on Twitter a few months ago that said there is an expensive version of the PCR test available that always provides a negative result. That’s most likely the version that will be used by the rich for air travel. I don’t know if it’s true or not

Looking on the bright side, the supine compliance of so many, and so many that should know a great deal better, may very well ensure that this democratic socialist ‘big state’ government will be able to vaccinate the vast majority simply by pushing out the message through the state broadcaster.

The bozos, led by the bozo in chief, will get themselves vaccinated in such numbers that even the most bovinely intransigent member of sage (clearly at the head of the vaccine queue ‘pour encourager les autres’) will be satisfied.

So if there is no asymptomatic spread then surely that’s another good reason to bin the masks. The sheep were led to believe that the whole point of masks was to protect granny from this deadly virus you didn’t even know you had.

A pretty good reason to bin everything!!

Its a shame we didnt need a good reason to destroy everything.

Here in my part of North London very few masks now in evidence. Let’s hope this spreads nationwide.

The argument has switched from asymptomatic to presymptomatic in light of this new evidence.

The ever moving goalposts to keep the dream alive.

Mystic Meg status.. That’s how desperate and corrupt things have become

Based on the premise that you have got it … and if you haven’t got it you’re about to have it. so if you are not contagious now you will be tomorrow

This is a peer reviewed article published 19 th Nov in Frontiers Public Health. Rather wordy but the essential in this world investigating article. Lockdowns don’t work and no effect on mortality. (sorry if published here before)
 https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full Covid-19 Mortality: A Matter of Vulnerability Among Nations Facing Limited Margins of Adaptation “Covid-19 has prompted a wide range of responses from governments around the world, yet the contagion and mortality curves are very homologous among countries. This is reinforced by our findings regarding the lack of any association with the government’s actions taken during the pandemi c

CV-19 has nothing to do with what is going on.

Catching up on what I’ve missed this week while out and about.

Here’s a few observations and generalisations from my travels though:

• I tried the thing the son sent me with the skeleton motif but hated how tight it was round my throat so started using my motorbiking bandana I use to keep my neck warm – open faced helmet and a proper old-fashioned leather jacket with big V-opening at the top so need the wind protection without a covering across my face.
• Decided that as I was just turning up, doing a drop or collection and leaving I wouldn’t be too bolshy. Different matter if I was staff and they were changing my working conditions then I’d kick up a stink and argue the HSE/risk assessment route.
• Only once challenged for not wearing face covering making a delivery but as I was needing to see the yard team outside anyway ignored the moans.
• High Streets everywhere and North Wales looks like something from the 19760/70s eastern Europe photos and movies, economically devastated and boarded up
• North Wales especially even the people look worn out, down trodden and beaten; totally compliant most of them. Place empty.
• People in England, apart from a minority of 60-70 year olds, are just going through the motions paying lip service to the idiocy, getting more angry and ignoring as much as they could and think the government and councils are arseholes who need strung up. Know something is wrong and all ti will need is for a few more MSM high-profile reports with the truth in it for it all to fall apart.
• Roads busier in England than my wife thought they would be considering the news she watches says there is big compliance with the essential travel only so stay at home message
• most avid mask believers are female 25-35 years old but without an original thought in their heads but can spout the phrases like a catechism. They would even wear them answering the door.
• men doing manual jobs tend to go along with it all half-heartedly if their remember, know something is wrong but don’t know where to look or what questions to as and who to. Just get on with their work best they can and ignore as much company lunacy as they can get away with.
• NHS workers are nearly all sceptics and only wear a mask in front of patients so that they don’t get grassed up. Hospitals were where I was told “just pull the bandana up loosely for the look of it in front of patients or they ill complain” more than once. As soon as we had to talk or go behind the scenes off they all came.
• security guards on the gates are anal at giving out the wear a mask instructions to get you through the gate. Get to the delivery area and into the warehouse not a mask in sight.
• civilian defence contractors are pretty religious about them when bosses are around.
• squaddies wear masks etc if they remember or told to by an officer, rest of the time total sceptics and I never met one who was not on the verge of quitting one the stupidity of the top brass, the low wages they are supplementing by delivering for Amazon and the boredom,
• mentioned the sceptics community as much as I could and where to go for more info
• biggest problem is the MSM is working for/with TPTB and getting the facts across in the MSM that the majority of people get their news from is the biggest problem facing the sceptics and independent scientists – get this sorted out and the narrative will collapse very quickly

Will see what happens next week.

Excellent summary Mr Git.
Something to savour as I begin to wallow in my Laphroig induced Valhalla this Sunday morning.

One Step Beyond

I can add police masked up when bullying protesters but as soon as they are back in their vehicles off they come.
It’s almost as if they don’t really think the virus is a problem.

Reminded me, only Police I saw all week:

• sitting in a layby reading a newspaper hiding ups country lane
• sitting in a loading any I needed to park up in to do a delivery. Spoke to this pair and asked them where the offie building was i needed to go to and for them to tell any traffic wardens or whatever they re called now that I was in the parking any in front of them as they were in “my spot”. neither wearing masks, neither bothered about social distancing talking to me and so on. Bored with it all.

Really?Surely not!
Obviously, being human is a problem, in public at least.

Great assessment, especially your last point re MSM.

Good work AG. You live not a million miles from me and I’ve seen similar things happening.

The number of “essential journeys” is increasing rapidly in our area. Roads are as busy as ever. Yesterday in B and Q there was a long line of people buying Christmas tree and decorations. Houses around us have already got their decorations up and the big queue for click and collect outside Argos tells me that people are determined to have a good and normal Christmas, whatever the government says. I’m starting to believe that it has already lost control of the situation. Good!

A community police officer lives nearby and is ignoring the rules about no one from outside of the household being allowed to socialise in private gardens.

Yesterday, following a letter in the local paper signed by my MP and the three other MPs from our area, I wrote to him to say how disappointed I was that they were parroting the party line and hadn’t done their “homework” on Covid. ( I used to teach one of the signatories many moons ago). I’m afraid I gave him a quick lesson in Maths. His letter said that there were double the number of people in our local hospitals with Covid compared with April. It didn’t state how many were hospitalised in April, be it 10 or 1000, in which case 20 would be an insignificant number but 2000 would not. Context and relativity are important.

I reminded him that he had admitted to us his knowledge about Covid was scanty, to say the least and that there were plenty of official statistics he could examine rather than just accepting the government line. I hoped that he would support his colleagues in the Covid Recovery Group who appear to be questioning the narrative now.

Our city is near the top of the naughty list for positive tests but this next week they are rolling out the new lateral flow tests so just as in Liverpool, I expect to see the numbers reducing sharply.

It was hard to get a copy of the Mail on Sunday this morning in order to read its rebuttal of the Department of Heath tweet yesterday. Let’s hope the article and graphs from yesterday have woken up a few more sheeple.

Just had a health scare. A mole that looked like all the melanoma photographs on the internet. Amazingly, I got a same-day (Sunday) appointment with one of the top dermatologists in Thailand and it’s fine. It’s a hyperpigmentation/bleeding under a scab from a mosquito bite. £30. I’m glad I didn’t have to trust the tender mercies of the NHS. (Although to be fair I don’t think there are nuclear-powered mosquitos in the UK to match the ones here.)

Pleased it got sorted. Will “mosquitos spread covid!” be the next scare?

First they came for the mink…

Now, back on topic. DM. “Boris to kill off 10 pm curfew.” By moving it to 11.

modern moron slaves don’t need many FREE TIME… Just enough TIME to SLAVE for the benefit and good lives of the SRF & Billionaires & jesters.

Miserable chocolate ration concession.

This just in from US ER docs meeting online. Even N-95 masks 50% fails to work after two days use.I think there are some mask fanatics in the public using them but doubt that they buy a new one every second day

Many N-95 (most?) have a valve for breathing out so the protecting Granny mantra fails there too. Not original thought but worth repeating.

See Mask Facts from the AAPS for a citable source that says that N95 masks do not filter exhaled air:

“ Problem: no source control. An N95 does not filter exhaled air passing through the exhaust/exhalation valve (for easier breathing and less moisture inside the mask). “

It says on the printed literature on the side of N95 mask boxes that they are not effective against coronaviruses.

Does anyone know what happened to Biker? His contributions were somewhat robust but welcome. Haven’t heard from him for a while now.

He said something like “They won’t stop, we’re all doomed, none of us on here can change that, and I’m off”. Much missed.

“Gutted to have been censored, looks like it’s Visions Of China for me. Can’t be having that. Hopefully we’ll never meet. Adios Amigos”

Drama queen then?

Yes, he had a way with expletives..

Flounced.

He claimed he was being censored here. I miss his posts.

I don’t remember him saying that but I guess I missed it.

Odd comment – I don’t think there is any censorship on here.

Censored elsewhere. Here’s his last post .

FACE?!

What amazing data. As a dedicated fact checker, well armoured with the necessary ignorance, intolerance and stupidity, I find it really, really impossible to believe that obliterating you face under a bit of rag, and impeding your breathing, doesn’t immediately stop Covvie in his tracks.
Shome mishtake shurely?

most likely!

If we’re stuck with “Tier 1” forever I will be finished.

I would be too, DRW. But nothing lasts forever and we’ve everything still to fight for. Try not to dwell on worst case scenarios too much.

Unless we bring these terrorists to justice we are all finished.

The best revenge is to live well; today, the best resistance is to live normally. And that might indeed get you into trouble, but lots of us on here are having a damned good go at it.

From 2019

“A new study from the US suggests that social interaction should be considered an important factor for extending lifespan, on a par with other health and lifestyle factors, to the extent that low social interaction harms longevity as much as alcoholism and smoking, has more impact than lack of exercise, and is twice as harmful as obesity .

Researchers at Brigham Young University (BYU) in Provo, Utah, conducted a meta-analysis of published studies and found that having social ties with friends, family, neighbours and colleagues can improve our odds of survival by 50 per cent. You can read about their study online in a paper published in the July issue of PLoS Medicine .”

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/196056#1

Lockdowns shorten lives.

That’s the idea.

Just sent to the BMA:

With reference to your statement in a previous e-mail (below):

We appreciate that this is an area in which there is little high-quality empirical evidence. There is, for example, a lack of randomised control trials showing that mask wearing is effective (either indoors or outdoors).

I thought I would assist you in your research and supply you with the latest Randomised Control Trial recently conducted in Denmark (April to June 2020) which has been the biggest RCT on the wearing of masks to date in the world and is the most recent and which has finally been published after being refused by at least 3 recognised medical journals

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

Study conclusion: masks do NOT have any effect on the transmission rate of the covid-19 virus:

The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers

Also as the main reason given to the general public by never ending advertisements and public service announcements to justify the wearing of facecoverings was that it was a civic duty and it meant that they were “protecting granny” and “others” etc etc by not passing on the virus they did not know they had – asymptomatic transmission.

Here is a link to the latest published study on asymptomatic transmission of the virus:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

Study conclusion: Asymptomatic cases do NOT transmit the covid-19 virus:

All asymptomatic positive cases, repositive cases and their close contacts were isolated for at least 2 weeks until the results of nucleic acid testing were negative. None of detected positive cases or their close contacts became symptomatic or newly confirmed with COVID-19 during the isolation period.

Now you have some up to date science available that contradicts previous statements by the BMA council chair Dr Chaand Nagpaul I look forward with bated breath with the next briefing that says “we now have facts, we now have a RCT and data available and it is our recommendation that wholesale wearing of facecoverings of the population is wrong.”

See what they come up with this time.

Answer to first question probably that conditions in the study were not sufficiently controlled, adherence was patchy and self-reported and study was under powered.

2nd question less easily dodged, unless they are willing to sling mud at China, which I doubt!

Well done for holding them to account AG. I wish I was half as productive as you in the name of the cause!

Another great letter AG. Sadly I wouldn’t hold your breath- they’re all in it together. I sent an email to my local BMA representative over 4 weeks ago after receiving an email saying he thought we needed stricter mask enforcement & harsher lockdowns/ circuit breaks were needed- no reply to my request for any evidence he had to back up his statements.

Took me 4 months and 2 e-mails to get a reply from the main BMA office but as you ay, they have no evidence to support their stance and actually admitted it in writing hence my new follow-up.

My next door neighbor was on the receiving end of my verbal shotgun yesterday, the fucker trying to tell me about the advantages of masks and distancing.Men did not give there lives on the Normandy beaches and the skys over Berlin to have wankers like him defile their sacrifice…

Well Done.

These people should rather hide behind their couches. There is no hope for them

You bet certainly won’t be receiving a Christmas card this year!

I have seen some covid related xmas cards in a local shop, disgusting. The worst, the one with lots of reindeer wearing blue masks, I did not realise for a while that they wear masks!

Father Christmas will be wearing one in the near future. Bet on it.

Should our protests start up with umbrellas?

It would be a nice visual link to the repressive CCP policing in Hong Kong and is the smart move should it rain/be tinkled on by a water cannon.

There won’t be any water cannon used in this country. The Germans are having to severely rethink their use of these after an elderly man at a protest had his eyes blown out, blinding him. Literally.

The dangers of water canon , The Independent, 2014-02-17, referring to an incident that occurred in 2010.

Yeah,10 years ago. Didn’t stop the police using them outside the bundestag this week.

The cannons on Wednesday were on “mild rain” setting.

Wow

This from former CDC Director Tom Frieden in Project Fear and Mask
“For those getting tests before Thanksgiving: testing shouldn’t give you a false sense of security. It takes 2-14 days after exposure to become infectious. You can test negative in the morning and be highly infectious in the afternoon ”
And then we have the Public Health Moron Jeremy Hunt wanting mass testing of all in the UK before April and then the vaccine by miracle will stop the pandemic. And how on earth can we think there is no transmission after all are testing daily? See above, Mr Hunt, from your fellow lunatic. And wouldn’t such zero covid nonsense require a NZ tactics for UK? Finally there are those in project fear that we still should be wearing masks,SD after the vaccination. Masks are even more effective than vaccine according to CDC director Redfield. I think the vaccine fanatics, mask fanatics, testing fanatics and lockdown fanatics are getting more confused by the day.

Who cares about being infectious or transmission or testing positive if we feel healthy? If we are healthy?

‘We are testing healthy people and declaring them unwell’

Scrap the PCR test

I’m guessing that their goal is simply to own the current day’s news cycle.

It doesn’t matter if yesterday’s message contradicts today’s because the general public is too short-sighted to detect the inconsistency.

If you were in the business of manufacturing patent medicines and had the first could bankrupt the company and would be a new product, like a derivative of aspirin but sufficiently different (as a totally new ingredient had been developed and was a key component) to need a new approval. Would you then go ahead and make 20 million packs, have them labelled and boxed and ready to deliver. Then, as soon as the approval was given, even though it was completely new and it was not unreasonable to expect that the approval might not be given. Or would you hold on until approval was given, then commence production.
I would always imagine any company with shareholders would follow the second option, as the first option could bankrupt the company. Its just normal business practice.

1st option. Production costs tiny compared to the R&D on something of this scale. Getting in first is crucial financially in the long term. And it’s already been paid for, so no concern to shareholders.

Most have stolen all the money already. If they’re all thrown in the bin next year doesn’t matter, they’ve made serious wonga.

‘Freedom Passes’ means we’re in jail

Who gave the power to the jailors? What crime did we commit?

https://twitter.com/dockaurG/status/1330318584397049856?s=20

Good questions, will we get an answer. I’ll ask every time someone mentions their ‘freedom pass’.

Guilty until proven innocent

Too many sheeple complied. So they know they can get away with more and more. Why am I the only unmasked person in shops? Makes me sick to the core seeing all this dumb, unquestioning obedience.

I have found listening to government ministers addressing the issue of mandatory vaccination interesting, revealing and unsurprising. Whilst failing to rule it out (on obvious grounds such as rights or ethics), they have made plain that they intend to “win the argument”, that is to assert that the vaccine(s) is both safe and effective, and, indeed, necessary and beneficial. I find this interesting because as it stands it is impossible for any of them, or anyone else for that matter, to know that a COVID 19 vaccine is either safe or effective. This position illustrates with complete clarity that the government is not following the science, as they already know , without knowledge, that vaccination of the population is the right policy. People who know without having gone to the bother of finding out are dangerous.

Our sainted Prime Minister and his acolytes are the worst and most dangerous kinds of liars. They believe that they are telling the ‘TRUTH’ and are firmly on the path to heaven, because that is what the signs on the path say. Unfortunately the signs were put there by Satan, and they are walking the wrong way along the path, and that direction goes straight to hell.

This is the real danger of the God-replacement “The Science”.

Religion has its many faults, but it’s redeeming feature was always the allowance of doubt. It was honest about the need for faith and accepting that one could struggle with faith.

The Science does not allow doubt. It still relies largely on faith – in the particular conclusions you choose to believe in – but it does not countenance doubt in the minds of its believers, and so they are more fervent and more incapable of self-questioning.

Thee seems to be a basic animal need in humans to fetishise a belief system and follow ritual and rules. It’s not a feature of religion, it’s a feature of man. I’m starting to think religion was actually the best way to channel it in the first place.

I prefer to believe in God rather than SAGE!

Well, you know what sage is traditionally used for at Christmas, and that seems to be exactly what the government’s advisors have in mind for the entire population this year.

Stuff them.

There’s a line in the Tao Te Ching:

The farther you go the less you know.

It sums up what science actually is. It’s being comfortable with what you don’t know.

Precisely the point made by CS Lewis decades ago (and quoted here not long ago):

“ Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. ”
We have to some extent faced this for many decades, but it really has come to a head with this coronapanic.

Supply all of them with the latest GPSs. The sooner they reach hell the better for us.

The British Medical Journal speaks out. Unfortunately it’s too little, too late

https://twitter.com/bmj_latest/status/1328319107054379013?s=20

Re Yesterdays article in the DM

The Gov now replying to @DailyMailUK , desperate to try to keep the false narrative going now even the MSM have woken up to exactly what is happening.

You notice they don’t counter any of the FACTS printed, but merely repeat the same mantra “pandemic, follow rules”

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1330437728564031489

Let’s just look at that tweet again; surely it refers to itself? It introduces itself correctly by saying “This article is misleading”. That’s right, because the next sentence is a lie. The final sentence then says we can ‘bring down transmission rates’ and ‘get back to normality’, two things that cannot be done under current government policy. So, yes, ‘this article’ is misleading.

A week ago: mother’s next-door neighbour, elderly type 2 diabetic, “has tested positive for covid” and they’re self isolating, all doom and woe. (He doesn’t have any symptoms.)

Today, I asked how things are. “Oh, they tested him again and he’s negative.” He still doesn’t have any symptoms. He’s been released from self isolation.

People who instinctively trust authorities, like my mother, don’t yet join up the dots to reach the correct conclusion, but gradually, surely, the facts about this non-epidemic, this testdemic, must erode the official message in the public mind.

“released”…

Nadine Dorries is unbelievable.

Dorries added that “we all need to be careful about how we talk about mental health… I caution everyone that we need to be careful about the language we use, such as ‘falling off a cliff edge’, or the ‘tsunami’ of mental health issues. According to the clinical lead at the NHS… there is no evidence to support any of that yet.”

But it’s fine to terrify the public by talking about a “deadly” virus, tipping points, spikes, surges, tsunamis, people dying in hospital car parks, CARNAGE, killing your granny and Aunt Betty at Christmas – because there’s loads of evidence to support that, right?

Wasn’t that long ago the phrase ‘falling off a cliff edge’ was thrown around on a daily basis by MPs attempting to block a WTO-exit Brexit. Some of us are still waiting for George Osborne’s emergency multi-billion pound budget!

She appears to have early onset dementia

I think the onset began quite some time ago.

Nadine Dorriess is as thick as two short planks.

Only two?

And as cruel as Rudolf Hoess.

Why didnt the WuFLu end this waste of skin’s existance. Fuck off Nadine, just please fuck off anywhere.

You forgot knife edges, upward spirals, running riots, swamped/crippled hospitals, major incidents…

The vaccines with a 90%+ efficacy against the greatest threat to mankind ever remind me of the virus via USB drive that Will Smith used to destroy the Aliens in Independence Day.

I’ve just sneezed, do I need a test???

You do if you live in Telford & Wrekin

“We are now asking you to book a COVID-19 test as a precaution, if you are showing other symptoms, such as:

Headaches
Aches and pains
Feeling tired for no good reason
Sore throat
Runny nose
Sneezing
Tummy ache in children

They are calling these “precautionary symptoms”

Barring the last 1 I get at least one of the symptoms every day.

I usually have about 4 of those so do I need a test each day?Obviously they want to convince everyone to be tested!

as we said yesterday, as Telford is not the only council to urge this additional testing , is this a new scheme from the health stasi to get more people to test that dont need to test just so that they can find more false positives and attempt to show that the number of cases are still rising even though really they are falling??
I did email lockdown sceptics yesterday to suggest this is followed up and to highlight it to see who else has seen this happen locally

Can’t think what else it can be, mjr.

In Germany they urge you to NOT book a test if you have a runny nose as that for sure is not covid19.

I’ve had Covid for twenty odd years then

I think sneezing is one of the only things that is not a symptom.

You just killed a thousand grannies in Outer Mongolia. A black mark goes on your Covid-Pass account

Such a positive update. Only had time to scan to main headlines.
Almost read

Lockdown to end in tears.

But true.

THE GREAT RESET – my letter to the Prime Minister last night (through the No 10 portal) asking him to clarify the government’s position on Klaus Schwab and the WEF. I coined the term “techno-Feudalism” to describe the new politics:

Subject: The Great Reset

Dear Prime Minister

What is the position of the government on the policies of the WEF, the politics of its director Klaus Schwab and the Great Reset?

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/klaus-schwab-nature-jobs-great-reset-podcast/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/great-reset-launch-prince-charles-guterres-georgieva-burrow/&nbsp ;

According to this WEF video “8 predictions for 2030” “You’ll own nothing, and you’ll be happy”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx3DhoLFO4s

As our wealth as a nation and as individuals has drained away in the present crisis, the WEF Utopian vision in which propertyless ordinary citizens are subject to a global super-wealthy technocratic class (techno-Feudalism?) is perturbing, anti-libertarian, and not something anyone voted for less than a year ago.

Can you please clarify the government’s position on this, which is causing widespread unhappiness and speculation?

Important Announcement from the Rt Hon Boris Alexander Johnson PM. 10 Downing Street, London.

Dear Victims Voters,

As you are aware, protecting you from coronavirus has been at the forefront of government policy for nearly a year now, but our undoubted success in this cause has come at a high cost to the treasury. Therefore it is my duty to announce to you that in order to save money the NHS must now be rationalised. Accordingly the service will, from the 1st January 2021 be split into two separate services.

The Covid Health Service (CHS) will remain much as it does now, its primary goal will be to protect the interests of large pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders as well as protecting the country from any further pandemics which we may invent discover and preventing any reprisals against myself and other well intentioned politicians.

The second part of the Health Service – to be termed the BHS (nothing to do with the shop!) is the branch where most savings can be made. Firstly all GP’s will be re designated ‘vaccinators’ and their duty will now be to ensure that the whole population is vaccinated and revaccinated against any and all diseases which we declare to be a danger to the public. This will leave a gap in the primary level of health care, the doctors surgery, but this will be replaced with monkeys.

In a remarkable discussion I had recently with Sir David Attenborough, I learned that Chimpanzees have the ability to ‘smell’ disease instantly when encountering it. This ability is remarkably efficient and incredibly accurate.

So the next time you go into a surgery for a consultation, you will see a chimpanzee in a white coat behind a desk with 7 cards on it. As soon as you go in (you wont even need to sit down or explain any symptoms) the chimp will diagnose your disease and hold up one of the cards in front of him. They read:

1] You smoke
2] You drink
3] You eat too much
4] You don’t do exercise
5] You haven’t been vaccinated
6] You are too old.

The animal will then hold up card 7 which reads:

7] Goodbye

As you can see this process will take less than a minute and therefore we can accommodate many more consultations per day.

We have negotiated beneficial trade agreements with several Banana Republics in order to provide food for the animals.

The BHS or Blame Health Service as we are calling it will, I am sure, be a great success and serve us admirably for the future – a first step into the new world order!

NB No Chimpanzees were harmed in the setting up of this new and exciting service.

I just love a bit of well crafted satire – it lifts my spirits!

I might send this new development to my MP.

That Wuhan study above doesn’t make any sense.

9,900K people screened, 9,865K had no prior diagnosis. That’s ~35K had Covid, and say 3K died? Which is an IFR of ~8-9%. And there are lots of other reports suggesting in any case that many more than 3K died in Wuhan.

Hence, unless I’ve missed something, that study simply doesn’t stack up?

But why would you want to believe China is hiding deaths while at the same time holding that the West is overstating them? Applying Occam’s Razor the simplest explanation is that this just declined into endemic background as it has here and if you ain’t symptomatic you aint got anythin except a false pos tesr. Nothing to see here. You do not need to explain things if they aren’t real things. And that’s related to Hitchens’ Razor.

Indeed. I was less interested in China hiding deaths than in the implied IFR calculation from the data provided.

And I was mentioning it because people are looking at that study as evidence wrt lack of asymptomatic transmission. I can’t see how the basic numbers stack (only 35K having been infected, it’s too low?), and if they don’t, then how can one rely on any conclusions (asymptomatic for example) arrived at within it?

If I’ve got something obviously wrong, hopefully a good data person on here might tell me how?

It may depend on the pre filtering to get to those 9900. I’ve not read the study but that would be my first instinct.

Pre-filtering: Not really sure there was, it was a mass test?

Were they all chosen at random from the outset? Like I said I haven’t read the study but when the numbers don’t seem right you should look at how the numbers were generated.

“Were they all chosen at random from the outset?”

No. As I understand it, they basically force tested (almost) everyone! No real filtering or choice process involved (in the statistical sense you are describing). This is China. Otherwise, yes, totally understand and agree with where you are coming from. Those that got missed won’t have been “selected”, it will more likely have been the sheer logistical impracticality (even for a communist state) of screening every individual in that time scale.

Here’s the extract… (From memory Wuhan is about 11m so it’s consistent.)

“There were 10,652,513 eligible people aged ≥6 years in Wuhan (94.1% of the total population). The nucleic acid screening was completed in 19 days (from May 14th, 2020 to Jun 1st, 2020), and tested a total of 9,899,828 persons from the 10,652,513 eligible people (participation rate, 92.9%). Of the 9899,828 participants, 9,865,404 had no previous diagnosis of COVID-19, and 34,424 were recovered COVID-19 patients.”

For me, that just doesn’t stack, once we know that circa 3K died (at least).

I’m sure something won’t stack up. But they were testing for this study after people were dying in any great numbers (or were claimed to be) in Wuhan. Does the journal article tell us that 3k of the participants died? How could we infer anything about an IFR from this?

It was a mass test (most of Wuhan) and we sort of know from all the reporting that ~3K officially died. That’s where I started from?

Nothing stacks up except their pile of bullshit.

The BBC are gaslighting us

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1330431573091639298?s=20

It’s reminded me to watch that French film 🙂

Anybody can visit the WEF website to find out that Great Reset is not just a recovery plan and is a pre-existing policy not predicated on Covid. The BBC are incapable of being straight about anything. At least Schwab and the WEF are upfront, terrifying though their vision is.

Don’t be terrified, satirize them. Laugh at them. They are cuckoo.

The book “Fanny by Gaslight” is actually about sheeple right?

It’s about sheeple’s bottoms.

Think I’ll give it a miss …

Does that sound like a really bad porn film, or do I just have a dirty mind?

gaslightinggilligan.com

I find that the fake fact checkers are a great way to understand what they don’t want us to know – the mistake they always make is to highlight it for us.

I agree with much of what it says. The Great Reset is promoted by the WEF and Schwab. Yes, that is true.

And personally I dislike much of it.

But it is not true is to say that the covid pandemic was concocted deliberately by elected governments to usher this in.

Actually, if I’m being fair, it could be argued that way, which I suppose is why people are able to say it, but it strikes me as highly implausible.

I do however think that Schwab is taking advantage of the pandemic (for want of a better word) to promote his scheme, but no, I don’t think that goverments have secretly planned it all for Schwab.

I agree, John.

Schwab/the World Economic Forum said of Covid that it was a perfect window of opportunity

See the books he’s written about Covid

I hope you’re all enjoying your weekend? If you’re stuck for something to do, I’ve found a great game the whole family can play. The XPrize Pandemic AI game, allows you to act as a global leader and predict which draconian measures you can inflict on your already broken society.

https://www.cognizant.com/pandemic-response?cid=p573241762-0011

It’s hours of fun and highly addictive. Look what I made with just a few clicks of the mouse!!

Looks like someone begging for a denial-of-service attack. Way beyond my technical ability to do that, but still….

So that’s where they’re making the Graphs of Doom…

Exactly what I thought!

LOL. There are no confidence limits on the “without interventions” forecast…

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1120/1179352-robert-shortt/

A surprising dose of honesty from the State broadcaster RTE about the economic effects of lockdown on Ireland, even if the author blames it on COVID19 and not the lockdown policies.

The idea that the virus is the reason for you losing your income is completely warped. they really will be doubling down on that in the coming few months

Progress

Every single online newspaper reports on protests as anti-lockdown rather than ‘conspiracy theorists gather’ etc

Yes, the Daily Mail is now getting attacked by a few commenters for being too anti-lockdown.

You’ll never get 100% support no matter what you say.

In some ways I’m grateful to have an incompetent government at the helm. Every single one of their Covid measures has failed so far despite billions been thrown at them – track and trace system, operation moonshot etc. If this “freedom pass” concept is legitimate, I really struggle to see how Boris and his cronies will manage to organise themselves well enough to get testing in place twice a week for everyone, and the appropriate certificates updated and issued…

I suspect smart phones will have something to do with it.

What if you don’t have a smart phone.

Then life will be harder for you.

If it happens and you let it affect your life.

I hate defeatist comments like yours leggy. Hate them.

Yes, these are the telescreens!

Haven’t got one. And I’m not getting one.

Second that.

I have one, and it stays at home until the nonsense is over.

Quite right.

More competent, or at least even more tyrannical, governments have failed just as abjectly. Look at Spain. Or Hellbourne.

It’s almost as if the point is to spaff tax payers’ money at favoured companies and individuals…

hopefully the freedom pass can be faked in the same way that the track and trace app to enter hospitality was.

You bet it can! lol

I guess we can recycle a few London freedom passes for the buses

I take the point – but the other take is that so many people are swallowing such massive incompetence.

Agree!

It’s not incompetent unfortunately. It knows exactly what it’s doing

Good for these churches! I wish mine would do the same. Whoever thought going to church would be a crime.We live in a totalitarian regime,alas.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/22/let-us-disobey-churches-defy-lockdown-with-secret-meetings

Quite a positive story for once sadly ruined by the fact that they are wearing masks during services.

I’m about as irreligious as it gets – a ‘strong agnostic’ : i.e further along the spectrum from the semi-religious atheists who have a religious fixity in their certainty. I’m of that group that considers that the very the basis of the debate – belief about what can’t be known – is magical superstition, and not worth engaging with.

But the banning of church services is an offense against any principles of freedom that I know and respect. I would love to believe that Mr Toad et al. would be cast into the ‘lowest deeps’ there to lie for their sins, as Gerontius wished upon himself.

But the flagrant pusillanimity of establishment church leaders is even more chilling. After all, at the lowest level of satire,who, after all this, will ever take seriously their protestations of a better life beyond if they’re so keen to duck it?

“Strong agnostic” – you strongly know you are ignorant?

What’s your problem, Steven, with my statement about the right to religious freedom? Covid belief? – You support the closure of churches and freedom?

Where have I said anything contrary to human rights, including to right to religious belief? I have absolutely no idea how you get from anything I have said to accusing me of being a believer in COVID 19 and a supporter of the violation of our rights and liberties.

Perhaps it was simply a misconception on my part occasioned by your missing the point by a mile.

Or perhaps it’s just that you’re a believer who is simply imprisoned by your particular belief? I’m simply trying to rationalize your irrational response.

What’s irrational about it? People are entitled to hold any belief that they wish, even if YOU think it is irrational. And yes, that goes for the mask wearers as well, even though I think they are being irrational.

Signed, an atheist.

See above. I do wish people would read what’s written rather than imagined text. It’s not that difficult.

You mean, Rick, that you do wish people would agree with you!

No, John, not at all (although they would be better for it 🙂 ).

I just wish for them to understand what I am, or am not saying.

What irrational belief have I expressed?

I said that your response was irrational (and misses any point). The nature of your belief is irrelevant – which is the nature of my original comment

There was nothing irrational about my response. You labelled yourself “strongly agnostic” – I was puzzled by the label, as taking the words to mean what they denote, you were asserting that you are certain that you are ignorant. I put a question mark at the end of my comment because I doubted that that was what you meant. The notion that it is irrational to be puzzled when someone uses words in a self defeating, contradictory manner strikes me as even more misuse of the language.

By the way, if you think the views of others are irrelevant, I suspect communication with others is probably not for you.

Socrates based his claim to wisdom on the fact that unlike other philosophers, he at least knew that he knew nothing. It’s a good place to start.

Socrates was in favour of despotism and his claim to ignorance was rhetorical device designed to hide is vanity and enable him to ridicule those he disagreed with – ie, those in favour of democracy.

I think I see your misunderstanding. ‘Agnostic’ is often taken to mean ‘fence-sitting’ – or simple absence of firm belief.

I was being clear that this is not where I come from – I actually hold the view that knowledge of what is beyond knowing (gnosis) is a contradiction in terms, and that exercising the brain about it is a fruitless pursuit.

That’s not the same as ‘ignorance’, which is about not knowing the knowable.

All that I was doing was being clear about where I was coming from in condemning the banning of church services – it wasn’t about getting into philosophical debate.

Agnosticism is not fence sitting.

Definition:
The view that the existence of any deity is unknown or unknowable.

You can still believe in God and be agnostic.

That is essentially Peter Hitchens’ view. He is a practising Christian and says that he believes in God. He also says that his belief is simply that and that he does not know for sure that there is a God.

Belief and knowledge are different things.

Our Catholic church or rather the priest has been an absolute disgrace. The church is only open for prayer for four hours a week, because they need someone there to make sure we obey the rules and sign in – couldn’t possibly just let us act like adults. They even had a zoom meeting on the church after covid. Sorry, are the scriptures about to be rewritten and the mass format. How does anything need to be changed. No doubt they will be ripping out the organ so we can’t sing. To think of past brave priests and nuns who worked in leper colonies, dangerous political environments, often at a cost to their lives, and the clergy now sit there hiding in the vestry. The paradox is that they preach the our life on earth is merely a journey and the afterlife is the purpose of our existence, yet they seem shit scared of dying. I start to wonder how much they really believe in what they preach.

Quite. And people used to be prepared to die for their religious beliefs. I’m not advocating for martyrdom, but the clergy could at least show some signs of resistance!

Your church is open four hours a week? Count your blessings. Most Anglican churches, in Wales at lest, have been locked, bolted, sealed and walled in ever since the bollox started. The greatest treason since that of Judas.

Yes.

That is what winds me up – the sheer hypocrisy and lack of conviction or bottle in a role that presupposes the opposite.

… and churches are just one example in the whole sad business. A whole load of Peters rushing into denial before the cock crows once – let alone three times.

The Party of which I’ve been a member for longer than I care to remember (and thus no stranger to quotidian disappointment in its adherents ) rushes to say ‘Me, too!!!’.

Democracy? ‘What’s that?’ Freedom? ‘Don’t be sentimental (just ‘mental’)’

Scottie !!!!!

‘Flagrant pusillanimity of establishment church leaders’, as you so eloquently put it, is only part of their sin, and not necessarily the worst part. I have represented to various clergymen whom I know that the clergy have shown a complete indifference to the sufferings that have been deliberately visited upon the people of this country. As an aside, I would point out that the true opposite of love is not hatred; it is indifference.
I have not heard ONE sermon or even part of one sermon condemning the practice of snitching on neighbours, which is a most reprehensible practice. Has Welby or any of his bench of bishops said anything about this? Not a squeak. He might like to consult Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

And have any of them publicly condemned the tortures being inflicted on frail elderly people locked up in dreadful solitude in care homes?

Speaking as a believer, I welcome your views. You are absolutely right about their protestations. To see a muzzled coward of a vicar proclaiming in one breath that Christ overcame death by dying for us, and in the next that you mustn’t hum a hymn tune because it ‘puts everybody at risk’, is utterly nauseating.

I am in touch with several ministers who are holding services. So far no hassle from authorities.

Steve and Dave discuss the more general failure of spiritual leadership here:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/L4bkbBBrxPu2

Thanks for posting that. I’ve just put the link on an American Christian friend’s FB. I’m an atheist myself, but I think it’s abhorrent to stop people from freely associating in any way they choose.

Thank you. One of the really heartwarming features of this site is that we are united in a love of freedom. And it does not matter what one wishes to be free for – it could be and is anything. I want the freedom to go back to the Bodleian to study the books there, not everyone’s cup of tea but that doesn’t matter here.
Thanks to you all.
As Solzhenitsyn said in ‘Gulag Archipelago’, ‘Why did we not resist more? Because we didn’t love freedom enough’. Can’t place the reference unfortunately.

That us the true spirit of democracy and freedom.

Dear lockdown sceptics (particularly Poppy and Wendy),

Please use your articulate voices to help those who cannot advocate for themselves. We are in a mental health pandemic brought on by the UK government. When a 15-year-old boy takes an overdose and is hospitalised and given no ongoing support, we are failing our youth.

Please write to the minister for mental health
dorriesn@parliament.uk

Explain ALL your experiences. Include the experiences of people you know.

This is of grave constitutional importance, so please also write to Baroness Taylor who heads the House of Lords select committee:
taylora@parliament.uk

And copy in your MP.

Encourage anyone who feels their mental health has been affected by this to take action.

Keep writing.

We MUST END THIS MENTAL HEALTH PANDEMIC!

Copy your local NHS Pals in also…

https://www.nhs.uk/service-search/other-services/Patient-advice-and-liaison-services-(PALS)/LocationSearch/363

“Tomorrow’s [today’s] Sunday Telegraph reports that people will be given ´Freedom Passes’ in 2021 but only if they have two negative ´Coronavirus tests’ a week! Also see the bit about passports. As the ´conspiracy theorists’ predicted our ability to go anywhere will be severely curtailed.”

Picture of telegraph page on link here:

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1330287230473166849?s=20

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Retail parks around Edinburgh have been assigned access only from certain counties, police patrolling to enforce the situation.

The scotnatz thugs standing with banners at the England/Scotland border saying fuck off home English get there wish granted by witchsturgeon who has closed the border “preventing English from crossing the border”. These are abhorrent times the little collaborators on local rags are wording the diktat as anti English.

They can fuck right off. No way is this going to happen.