2020-11-23

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261152 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 11, #1 of 2021 🔗

Morning everyone.

261155 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #2 of 2021 🔗

Hi.

261844 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Judy Watson, #3 of 2021 🔗
261162 thinkaboutit, replying to thinkaboutit, 77, #4 of 2021 🔗

Unless the government get major kickback from the hospitality industry this could go on forever, or at least until all tearooms, pubs and restaurants have closed. Apart from a select few in posh areas where the snotocracy can have their ” business lunches”.
They should launch a legal case against the government who are using the dodgy PCR data to implement disproportionate law.

261186 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to thinkaboutit, 36, #5 of 2021 🔗

Part of an ongoing campaign against the licensed trade as we warned when they first came for the smokers.

Home drinkers will be next with your purchases checked against your Health Passport as it morphs into CCP style Social Credit.

261197 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to karenovirus, 20, #6 of 2021 🔗

Don’t even remind me of that… I smoke pipes and cigars and i absolutely hate it how, despite the prevailing evidence, they’re lumped in with cigarettes. So yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me that they will outlow fun and relaxation altogether. Welcome to Airstrip One! Actually no, it’s worse than that. Even in the dystopian hell that is 1984 they were allowed cigarettes and gin.

261214 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #7 of 2021 🔗

The proles had pubs and beer

261242 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 14, #8 of 2021 🔗

In my city every ery single working class boozer that did not have an outdoor area that could be designated for smoking had closed within a few years of the smoking ban.

Alcohol Concern loved the collateral damage.

261256 ▶▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Cecil B, 40, #9 of 2021 🔗

We’ve surpassed 1984. 1984 is a dreamland compared to this nightmare; its only going to get worse. What will it take for the cowardly people of this nation to say enough is enough?

261268 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #10 of 2021 🔗

a match (no pun intended).

261728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FlynnQuill, 7, #11 of 2021 🔗

They won’t say enough until it’s far too late and once vaccinated there’s no way back.

262170 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #12 of 2021 🔗

The cigarette smokers are more numerous than cigar smokers. You should join up and fight this BS together instead of complaining.

261221 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 5, #13 of 2021 🔗

I rather expect them to encourage the right sorts of people to hasten their own demise. They used to say that smokers were a net benefit to society because they died relatively quickly soon after retirement.

261261 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #14 of 2021 🔗

And paid a fortune in tax.

261573 ▶▶ Sue, replying to thinkaboutit, 15, #15 of 2021 🔗

likewise with the travel industry – government have given little/no support. Agents trying to be optimistic with little scraps of changes (corridors, tests etc) but probably not make any significant difference.
I suspect it is deliberate as it doesn’t fit with their ‘green’ agenda and want the oiks to stay at home and be slaves to the system – how dare they want to have a holiday in the sun! Travel will be the luxury of the rich as was back in 60s/70s

261735 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sue, 6, #16 of 2021 🔗

Great masses of people do not fit in with their green agenda. They have the vaccines to put that right.

262913 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sue, #17 of 2021 🔗

The Jet Set as they were known and toadied over by the BBC.

262162 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #18 of 2021 🔗

Puritan=Totalitarian.

261163 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 51, #19 of 2021 🔗

So, it’s being proposed that we need ID cards based on medical evidence just to walk around, and going to church may carry a prison sentence. Of course that’s going to soften people up for an experimental vaccine with unforeseen outcomes.

261174 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Londo Mollari, 56, #20 of 2021 🔗

It’s a weird kind of Stockholm syndrome. Instead of people rebelling against an authoritarian state, they ask for more restrictions in the hope that there will be less restrictions.

261234 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 25, #21 of 2021 🔗

They still think the government is benevolent.

261240 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bugle, 76, #22 of 2021 🔗

There’s two kinds of people: those that think the government is working for them, and those that think.

262171 ▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Bugle, 7, #23 of 2021 🔗

I agree, a lot of people I know believe that the government is doing the best it can in the face of this ‘terrible disease’!

261383 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 15, #24 of 2021 🔗

It’s like that saying where you constantly feed a crocodile in order to keep it happy and to avoid being eaten. Trouble is the food will run out at some point and the crocodile in the end will eat you.

261198 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #25 of 2021 🔗

Well, I don’t know much about vaccines, but I’m assuming that knowledge of (say) the Pfizer vaccine’s long term consequences will still be quite limited 6 months from now?

261235 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Londo Mollari, 18, #27 of 2021 🔗

Pseudo-medical evidence. This has nothing to do with real health or well being.

And you have to remember that the vaccines will probably not even provide sterilising immunity, so they will not prevent you spreading CV-19, making the health passports pointless even in their own terms.

It’s just about control.

261258 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PaulH, 20, #28 of 2021 🔗

If the ‘vaccine’ minimises symptoms for the infected it will create those very asymptomatic carriers that we are supposed to worry about.

261956 ▶▶▶ right2question, replying to PaulH, 5, #29 of 2021 🔗

yes, it’s all just about control. and what people don’t seem to realise is the vaccine issue is for sure an issue of the now, but as with the restrictions we’ve seen already, once people give up their body autonomy what else is there. and the vaccine makers have over 150 more types of vaccines they are working on. the who had already got the goal (ambition) that vaccination should be extended to all adults. if enough of us don’t come together to find ways to stop all of this .. hard to find words

261695 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #30 of 2021 🔗

I’ll soon need a small bell to walk the streets.

262374 ▶▶▶ David Ashton, replying to Graham3, #31 of 2021 🔗

Graham, I think we’ll all need a large one.

261755 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #32 of 2021 🔗

Except the dire consequences of the vaccines will be known all too well for those who are pushing the agenda, which is their way of ridding the planet of its great masses and to save it just for themselves alone. Years ago, Bill Gates was telling those would listen, that vaccines were the perfect tool for carrying out global genocide. He must be a very happy man, now watching his wildest dreams become reality.

262176 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, 5, #33 of 2021 🔗

And your present Prime Minister admires Mr. Gates very much.

262871 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to richard riewer, 1, #34 of 2021 🔗

Indeed he does what a fu**wit!!

261164 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 186, #35 of 2021 🔗

“What Brits can do this Christmas.” Just settle your eyes on those words for a moment. Could you ever envisage in your wildest dreams that on March 23rd, when we were asked to sacrifice 3 weeks of liberty to “flatten the curve” that it would possibly lead to the above sentence appearing in a major newspaper? You’d have called me mad for even suggesting it.

Turns out that the largely naive and scientifically illiterate people of the UK have been taken for a ride by possibly the most ruthless and mendacious government this island has ever seen – so much so that a significant proportion of the public will be hanging onto every word that Dear Leader Johnson utters at his propaganda broadcast tonight.

Flanked by his shroud-waving experts in pseudoscience, he will no doubt predict that Armageddon will be upon is if we spend just one extra day over the festive period in blind ignorance to “the rules” – visit Auntie Edna on Boxing Day or New Year’s Eve and Pandora’s Box will spring open, unleashing the festering plague upon our green lands once more.

It’s high time that the people of this country simply start ignoring everything that these fascist oppressors can come up with. Turn their broadcasts off. Turn the lying news off. Start reclaiming your lives and liberties rather than be dictated to by an increasingly fractured and unhinged totalitarian state – they may try to woo you with their snake oil vaccines and promises of “freedom passes” and the like; these are nothing but smoke and mirrors to distract you from the truth…we can live a freer life whenever we choose to. THAT is what they are most afraid of.

That is a realisation they are desperately hoping to crush.

261173 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Scotty87, 123, #36 of 2021 🔗

Seeing how gullible people are is sometimes pushing me nearly to despair. How much of an idiot do you have to be to not see the BS coming out of government. Nevermind the data. Let’s say you don’t trust what lockdown sceptics are saying. But just the chain of contradiction should be enough to ring alarm bells.

“We won’t lock down again. It’s the nuclear option.”
“Oops. We’re going into lockdown again. But don’t worry. It’s only for a month and not a day longer, and it’s to save Christmas!”
“Oops. We’re going to have to extend that lockdown. And about Christmas… do you think you can have it in Summer instead…?”
“We need to close restaurants. But not completely. And you’re not allowed alcohol. For reasons. And no hugs!”

How can you, at the very least, not realise that these people either have no idea what they’re doing, or are lying to the entire country with absolutely no shame? I cannot understand how people are just satisfied to give away absolutely all of their freedoms and all of their rights away, without even a complaint. It’s unbelievable to me.

261249 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 75, #37 of 2021 🔗

The trouble is the masses still think this is a very dangerous disease and if they dont do as they are told they are going to die. Cummings the master wordsmith did his job too well. People are just waiting for their next instruction. As you say unbelievable and unfortunately I dont see an end to it. There are not enough dissenters – when the likes of Dr Mike Yeadon and Prof Carl Henegan get taken off social media for daring to go against the narrative it really is an uphill struggle.

261257 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Thomasina, 32, #38 of 2021 🔗

Social media holds the monopoly on this. Before we could gather in small groups face to face and discuss these things. But now these face to face discussions have moved on social media, and they’re being tightly regulated. There simply is no way to get through to people.

261273 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 19, #39 of 2021 🔗

Take a hint from Douglas Bader (reach for the sky) and short circuit the usual channels. There’s ways of getting messages across whatever the authorities do.

261284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Hugh, 6, #40 of 2021 🔗

How, exactly?

261333 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, 22, #41 of 2021 🔗

Well I think of the poorly funded campaign against a North East regional assembly that tied a large helium balloon white elephant to the Tyne Bridge to make their point. And similar guerilla tactics in the fight against a congestion charge for Greater Manchester. And I solved a parking problem outside our house with posters taped to (5 litre) water bottles and a lot of time spent sitting in the street explaining things to people. And then there was the anti-Glazer campaign by Manchester United supporters, putting “love United hate Glazer” stickers on lamp posts all over the place. There’s always things that can be done, and social media etc. can be used to coordinate a nationwide campaign. We just need to get organized!

261951 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Hugh, 2, #42 of 2021 🔗

wish you hadn’t mentioned the last one, they are still there with their puppet. Sounds just like the globalists and Johnsion.

261795 ▶▶▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #43 of 2021 🔗

My father is not on social media and he remains terrfied. His only source of news is the BBC.

261898 ▶▶▶▶▶ MUSICGIRL, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 20, #44 of 2021 🔗

I think this is why they are so desperate to close pubs, people meet in pubs, they share opinions with people they love, trust and respect, and people listen to each other properly. It’s so much harder to share opinions online without getting a digital mouthful and being accused of being practically a murderer or deluded tin foil hat wearer.

262188 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #45 of 2021 🔗

But even in the face to face conversations that I still have with other people, they are seriously and conscientiously working out what they can now do or not do, instead of saying, like me, ‘Hang on, this is ridiculous’.

When they say “I can’t visit Granny anymore’ and I reply “of course you can, if it was fine to do so yesterday why should today be different”, they are shocked; oh no mustn’t break the rules!

262704 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Judith Day, 2, #46 of 2021 🔗

Yes, Judith; there was a twitter “conversation” which I read, just to see how warped the other side are; the number of comments along the lines of (insert whining hand-wringing voice here) “If only people weren’t so selfish and obeyed the rules , then we wouldn’t need to have these lockdowns”. Or similar shite.

261418 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Thomasina, 7, #47 of 2021 🔗

Heneghan has been taken off Social Media? If so that is incredible. Like Pravda 1982, maybe even worse, they were right about the Americans, look what came later.

262507 ▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to nottingham69, 1, #48 of 2021 🔗

Prof Heneghan HAS NOT been taken off social media. There are dozens of interviews and articles out there. This attitude suggests this place is becoming further silo/echo chamber like.
And he still has not signed The Great Barrington declaration!

262509 ▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Thomasina, #49 of 2021 🔗

Prof Heneghan HAS NOT been taken off social media. There are dozens of interviews and articles out there. This attitude suggests this place is becoming further silo/echo chamber like.
And he still has not signed The Great Barrington declaration!

261486 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 18, #50 of 2021 🔗

‘You have nothing to fear but fear itself’

Don’t despair, it’ll make you weak and ill. Let’s face it, moaning about those who don’t value freedom just makes us feel worse.
It’s hell to accept, but the root cause of all this was that in March people really feared there was A HIGHLY INFECTIOUS KILLER VIRUS on every door handle, in every closed space and on everyone’s breath. A lot of people are not interested in politics or how they are governed when they got the fear and the government and media weighed in with all the it up with fear porn & RULES. They are still frightened. That has not dissipated, they are not going to lose that fear anytime soon.

No way am I capitulating but let’s concentrate on what we can do to spread the alternative view, to make people sceptical. Have friends round for a meal or drink or if they won’t come do as much outside as possible.

262137 ▶▶▶▶ Jon Stevens, replying to Marialta, 18, #51 of 2021 🔗

This is so true. My sister and bother in law nearly wouldnt even come for a walk with us yesterday round the local lake. They did come out in the end in masks (I explained to them that there is nothing to fear).
We started walking, many families out enjoying there day, no masks at all and in many numbers. They took off there masks half way round….its the isolation that helps fan the fear. We had a long chat and polite debate about it all and by the end they were much more chilled.
What I am most angry about more than anything is the fear campaign propaganda implemented by this government through mainstream media!
They did it on purpose, they knew it wasn’t a bad virus they knew what it was and yet they put the fear of god into everyone.

My brother in Law told me he knew someone in SAGE who was telling him that its even more dangerous than they let on. Like they are withholding the truth about how bad it is!
I said no its the other way around.

SAGE I want investigated!

262708 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jon Stevens, 1, #52 of 2021 🔗

SAGE I want investigated!”

No. I don’t want them investigated. I want them sacked. With Ignominy.

262153 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Marialta, 3, #53 of 2021 🔗

Fear is thrilling. I feel a substantial majority have so little of value in their life they actually enjoy playing at a gigantic LARP in which you could be caught by an invisible killer at any moment.

261193 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Scotty87, 21, #54 of 2021 🔗

Instead of seeing our Xmas release as a sign of bozos weakness, since he dare not cancel it outright, they will wave flags and thank him while quite looking forward to putting their feet up for most of January.

261421 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Scotty87, 43, #55 of 2021 🔗

In truth, Labour are worse than the Tories on this issue and the UK is under occupation from the World Economic Forum, as is every other country in the world. The WEF’s goal is to parasite off indefinitely and to own and control humans using tech for the benefit of the banks, Pharma, Bill Gates, tech industries (Covid-Pass etc) and other vested parties

It’s global coup of fascistic opportunism – a flu d’etat

261972 ▶▶▶ Paul Mendelsohn, replying to Ben, 6, #56 of 2021 🔗

Flu d’etat – genius!

262192 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 2, #57 of 2021 🔗

Too bad it doesn’t work in French. Flu in French is grippe. English is a much better language for manufacturing puns.

261549 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Scotty87, 13, #58 of 2021 🔗

I completely agree Scotty . Why would anyone even listen to these chancers .Turn off the tv completely or better still smash it and remove to bin ,Unless you feel you are making a difference then get off social media as well because its poison .This technology i’m using right now is in fact enslaving us and is the means those in power are using to control us .Without it they are nothing and can’t send out their orders, thats why as people have said none of this could of happened 20 years ago ,with no smart phones and social media they would of found it impossible to get their messaging out .All we have to do is ignore them and carry on with our lives . This christmas coming like all the others before and in the future is OURS not theirs so celebrate it how you fucking like and until then and after go and see your family and mates if thats what they want and carry on as normal . You were born free and can die on your feet or live on your knees it’s up to us ,so don’t let no disgusting bully whether in the playground,in the work place or the Houses of parliament tell you otherwise .

261803 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to wat tyler, 6, #59 of 2021 🔗

I got totally off social media 6 months ago. Interestingly, the execs of the likes of Google and Facebook don’t let their kids use those very same platforms.

262142 ▶▶▶ Jon Stevens, replying to wat tyler, 12, #60 of 2021 🔗

I will never watch BBC, Sky news etc ever again. Complicit 100% in this propaganda campaign!

262328 ▶▶▶ zubin, replying to wat tyler, 3, #61 of 2021 🔗

It’s up to each of us to choose to not follow the “rules”.Hold head high and be bold. Aura. Choose to be free whatever others do is their choice. It is up to each one of us who is enlightened to simply BE free, not just talk about it. Love.

262730 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to wat tyler, 1, #62 of 2021 🔗

I totally agree; “You were born free and can die on your feet or live on your knees”. I think the film was called Eastern Promises (a waste of Viggo Mortensen’s acting talents) but it had a very notable scene in it.

Viggo’s character (a Russian hit-man) gets star tattoos on his knees with the explanation “The stars mean he will never kneel again before anyone” . When I saw that scene, I determined the same. I will comply or not, but I will never kneel to anyone again. Ever. Figuratively or literally.

261609 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Scotty87, 6, #63 of 2021 🔗

Of course the biggest issue is that if you think like a muggle where your news comes from BBC, they think they are going to die just by going out or hugging your kids. How do you get past that? Because that nice mr Morgan said we should stay in. They have no idea who Yeardon, Cahill, Lee, Cummins, Gupta et al are. Because they don’t see them on the news. I would love to see Delores with Pies Morgan, bloodbath or what!

262194 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #64 of 2021 🔗

I’d like to see a full out smackdown, WWF, Jerry Springer style. Go Do!

261658 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 21, #65 of 2021 🔗

Well said Scotty. Looking back what has happened, I also think this is the culmination of the gradual lowering of standards in education especially with the young. When I was growing up in my home country and doing my undergraduate degree (in education & history) we were always told that the West had a good standard in education because the vast majority of people didn’t have to go to university in order to get jobs and move up the ladder. Unlike where I grew up where even then you needed a degree for even the most basic of jobs.

Fast forward when I moved to the UK, I realised that it was no longer the case especially when my husband and I were looking for jobs. Talking to my colleagues many of who are millenials opened my eyes to the shortcomings of education in the West and erosion of standards. The lack of knowledge even with basic science, statistics, probability even logic is astounding and shocking.

This is pretty much what we’re up against. People who have been wedded to dogma and fear that they refuse to look into other sources and listen to other points of view, those who parrot soundbites and don’t stop to listen to themselves and question why. Everyday I’m so glad I don’t have any children because I shudder to think what society they’re growing up in.

Unless we stand our ground and fight back, we’re doomed.

262183 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Scotty87, 8, #66 of 2021 🔗

Turn off your cellphones. Turn off location history, GPS and any other apps that are following you around.

261165 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 29, #67 of 2021 🔗

I’ll repeat yesterday’s comment, as I think it could be useful for a poster:

Jabbed, tagged and gagged.

NO!

No passeran!

I wonder if Mabel Cow would create something eye catching. Suggestions welcome, as always.

261179 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 1, #68 of 2021 🔗

No pasarán .

261204 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 1, #69 of 2021 🔗

My bad! Catalan is not one of my strong points!

261238 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 1, #70 of 2021 🔗

Spanish, not Catalan.

261277 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 1, #71 of 2021 🔗

Thank you teacher; you’ve corrected my home work;point made.

262009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, #72 of 2021 🔗

B+ !

262262 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, #73 of 2021 🔗

Thank you! I used to get D for maths!

261166 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 2, #74 of 2021 🔗
261253 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Caramel, 13, #75 of 2021 🔗

Fauci says at no point in history has any respiratory virus been spread by asymptomatic people:

https://twitter.com/pknuts10/status/1330744247994245120?s=20

Surely this is just logic? Viral load is require for the virus to spread. If a person is asymptomatic, how, exactly, is the viral load shed by them, and if it is, how would that load be great enough to infect other people?

261260 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Mark H, 28, #76 of 2021 🔗

My opinion is that most asymptomatic people aren’t actually what you might consider asymptomatic. As in, they’re not infected with the virus but show no symptoms. I believe that they are not infected at all, and what the test picks up is either virus debris or false positives.

261472 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark H, 9, #77 of 2021 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible

261861 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Victoria, 5, #78 of 2021 🔗

Professor Bhakti has also been saying same thing since March.

Worth watching his recent interview in English at Triggernometry.

261167 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 17, #79 of 2021 🔗

“Slept, awoke, slept, awoke, miserable life.”
franz kafka

261195 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 1, #80 of 2021 🔗

He forgot ‘worked’ after awoke.

261205 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 7, #81 of 2021 🔗

Worked is now a thing of the past for many

261668 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to wendyk, 2, #82 of 2021 🔗

Exactly how I felt this morning. Even if I had a job, I would be on furlough (Hospitality).

261169 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 3, #84 of 2021 🔗

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507340-uk-police-lgbt-rainbow-epaulettes/

Impartiality seems to have bypassed the police.

Anyone breaking the Covid restrictions is at risk of being arrested by rainbow rozzers.

261439 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to wendyk, 5, #85 of 2021 🔗

Rainbow Rozzers beat you into submission with pink dildos and spray amyl nitrate in your face before they strap a pink face nappy on your face.

261524 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Two-Six, 1, #86 of 2021 🔗

🤢 O no! I’ll steer well clear of them!

261170 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 79, #87 of 2021 🔗

Any idiot can see that as soon as they lift the restrictions for Christmas, it will be worse than Walmart on a Black Friday. And then what will the papers do? Instead of pointing out how much of an idiot you’d have to be to create policy that limits people’s choices, forcing them to all flock into stores over a period of hours rather than weeks and months, they’ll just call everyone “covidiots” and blame them for everything.

And what the heck is this “alcohol only with a substantial meal” bullshit? How does that make any sense? These people are just anti-alcohol, pure and simple. Using a pandemic to further their personal interests. It’s incredibly disgusting.

261177 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 78, #88 of 2021 🔗

They aren’t anti-alcohol. You can buy alcohol at a supermarket and drink it at home till you pass out. They’re anti-fun, they’re anti-sociability, they’re anti-human, they’re anti-life.

261199 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to annie, 31, #89 of 2021 🔗

Bring back human contact NOW!

261207 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 17, #90 of 2021 🔗

They will come after home drinking next, for our own good of course. Either by monitoring your intake via Health Passport or by incremental tax rises to maintain the income stream as they have been doing with tobacco for fifty years.

261244 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 11, #91 of 2021 🔗

They already have the power to take away your driving license if you drink more than the recommended intake of alcohol. I know because they did it to me after I foolishly admitted to a doctor that I drank more than that amount. The doctor was as horrified as me that they have such power.

261251 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Will, 3, #92 of 2021 🔗

!

261266 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 16, #93 of 2021 🔗

You mean their ridiculous 3-4 units per day for men (2-3 for the ladies) ?

I’ve been doing more than that for the past 45 years, still here to tell the tale, clean drivers licence and max no claims.

261313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 10, #94 of 2021 🔗

Don’t ever tell your doctor because they have to share that information with the DVLA if asked… and the DVLA have the power to remove your license even if, like me, you have done absolutely nothing wrong.

261410 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Will, 13, #95 of 2021 🔗

Actually don’t tell your doctor about any of your lifestyle “vices” because they do track what you tell them and then at some point in the future you will get nagged about it. Like Cristi.Neagu above, I smoke a pipe and the health service are incapable of distinguishing between pipe/cigar smokers and cigarette smokers. It leads to questions like, “How many do you smoke a day”. I don’t, I smoke pipe I reply. They don’t know how to deal with that on the proforma questionnaire but they mark you down as a smoker.

When the finally get round to doing a data filter you end up with a text message saying, “We see from our records that you are a smoker and we would like you to attend a smoking cessation clinic”. My reply is, “I stopped back in January”. I didn’t stop and I haven’t stopped. But it does get them off your back. Right at this moment it’s one of the few pleasures that I have left in life.

261919 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to karenovirus, 7, #96 of 2021 🔗

If the government believes alcohol brings people together, it will eventually ban alcohol too. It will be like prohibition.

Conveniently for the government, Asda was recently bought out by a Muslim partnership who previously banned the sale of alcohol in other establishments they took over. Others like the now grotesquely left-wing Sainsbury’s will follow suit.

Over time, I think we will see the sale of alcohol tapering off. We might get government tickets to ‘buy’ alcohol like they do in Russia, in a very controlled sterile way. Meanwhile, the black market will boom.

261237 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 15, #97 of 2021 🔗

They want all discussion and debate filtered through a controllable prism, social media. It is an absolute disgrace that pubs are being forced out of business whilst glorified restaurants are free to trade.

262281 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 3, #98 of 2021 🔗

Free Assembly > Better Communication > Resistance !

262770 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, #99 of 2021 🔗

Exactly.

262765 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, 2, #100 of 2021 🔗

Particularly “anti-social” . They don’t want people talking about this; alcohol lowers inhibitions, to the point where people might accept that a sceptic is making a valid point.

261398 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #101 of 2021 🔗

Wasn’t it Boris in his tenure as Mayor of London who banned alcohol on the London Underground?

261624 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #102 of 2021 🔗

Yes. And what’s more the ban applies outside London in places served by TFL Rail. Where we didn’t even get the chance to vote for him.

262159 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #103 of 2021 🔗

Exactly my suspicions too; it’s the same trick they pulled on VE day, encouraging street parties and then making sure their journos were in place to get some good shots for a ‘Shame them!’ splash on the next day’s front page.

262266 ▶▶▶ judymilne, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #104 of 2021 🔗

Sorry didn’t mean to give thumbs down, couldn’t get the up button to work

262202 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #105 of 2021 🔗

Puritannical Public Health has taken over and it’s our fault..

261171 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #106 of 2021 🔗

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-isolation/uk-to-announce-self-isolation-no-longer-required-for-contact-with-covid-19-cases-the-telegraph-idUKKBN2820UK

According to this (Reuters from DM)no need to self isolate if in contact but instead daily test fo 7 days and you can move around freely.It seems testing industry is the only boom industry at the moment.Lunacy.

261440 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to swedenborg, 10, #107 of 2021 🔗

Which begs the question, why did that chap in Edmonton, Alberta, piss on his winning lottery ticket? Something along the lines of ‘freedom’ being priceless, I imagine.

We’re either doomed to tyranny or revolution. There’s going to be a lot of mess to clear up – of that I am certain.

These fuckers need to hang.

262651 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #108 of 2021 🔗

I would like to abduct the Australian Prime Minister, cover him with blood and throw him in a river full of hungry crocodiles.

261571 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to swedenborg, 9, #109 of 2021 🔗

nowhere, but nowhere, has Doris ever thought mmm what is the cost of this. Apparently its £120 per test, so thats £840 big ones to Serco and their pals for every trace. You can see who is pushing this. 1 positive ‘case’ 6-10 contacts, £5040 to £8400 x say 20,000 ‘cases’ a day = £168 million pounds a day, £5 billion a month to Serco. Fuck me sideways Doris, what have you been smoking to even this about this. And thats 200,000 more tests a day minimum on top of the current load.

262882 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Iansn, 1, #110 of 2021 🔗

Corrupt disgrace.

261172 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 57, #111 of 2021 🔗

What the heck is going on? Freedom passes? Brits refuse to have national ID cards (which, btw, would make life incredibly easier), but you watch the useful idiots flock to get their covid pass and flaunt it over social media. Unbelievable. And now everyone’s told what they can and can’t do in their homes. For Christmas! What is this insanity? Who gave government the kind of agency to impose such restrictions?

261181 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 27, #112 of 2021 🔗

Labour. And the majority of Tory MP’s of course. We need to do something in the May locals, especially if this nonsense is still going on.

Infections falling before lockdown, (reported) deaths down last week having peaked the week before at half the level of the Spring peak (and deaths genuinely caused by cv likely even lower of course). This peak less than 2 weeks after lockdown, suggesting that the reduction in deaths was not caused by lockdown. A lot different to the 4,000 daily deaths of that computer model. What exactly is their justification for carrying on with these economy destroying, child suicide causing restrictions again?

261183 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Hugh, 15, #113 of 2021 🔗

And who to vote for? Tories and Labour are out of the question (unless your MP happens to be one of the very few that actually fought for our rights). Are we really going to vote Reform UK? Is that really the last chance for freedom?

261626 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #114 of 2021 🔗

Are we really going to vote Reform UK?

If we are ever able to vote again I certainly will put my cross against their candidate, and how!

261934 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Old Bill, 8, #115 of 2021 🔗

The key point to your comment there is: ‘if we are ever able to vote again’.

Truth is though, if voting ever made a difference we wouldn’t be allowed to do it.

261997 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to J4mes, 6, #116 of 2021 🔗

Reminds me of the election slogan of the Ukrainian communist party – vote for us, we will never bother you again

261999 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #117 of 2021 🔗

If there are only mainstream candidates standing in your area you can always spoil your ballot paper, e.g write none of the above

261386 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Hugh, 17, #118 of 2021 🔗

Infections falling before lockdown”

‘Infections’ aren’t what they are implied to be – merely PCR+ results.

The actuality is that nothing unusual has been happening since May. All is totally normal.

261422 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to RickH, 3, #119 of 2021 🔗

Mid April really.

261538 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to nottingham69, 3, #120 of 2021 🔗

Actually the peak of infections was in the middle of March…

261423 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Hugh, 11, #121 of 2021 🔗

Local BBC Radio are ramping up the fearmongering with a piece from one of the main hospitals in the county. Staff wailing about the fact that they have 100 people from 18 to 97 admitted with covid. So I took a look at the UK dashboard and the total number of “cases” between the two counties is about 1800 out of a total population just short of 800,000 people.

So fuck all really in the grand scheme of things.

261446 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Hugh, 2, #122 of 2021 🔗

I fear there are two hopes of any future elections. Bob and no come to mind.

261185 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 59, #123 of 2021 🔗

There are still a lot of people who are literally terrified of getting covid and dying and they are convinced that they might catch it and fall down dead at any moment. It seems to be related to the attitude that advertisers are playing too when they advertise cleaners and disinfectants that kill 99% of bacteria, people just have this idea that all bacteria must be killed when they are an integral part of the living world.
Unfortunately the Government and the Health Gestapo have played to this irrational nonsense, enough people are still terrified and they can get away with anything if it means protection from covid death.

Conversely the people who are not terrified seem to be the people engaged in the practical trades building, groundworks, plumbers, electricians, forestry and estate workers etc. they have had to carry on regardless in order to keep body and soul together and then found they are not infected or dead and the fear has drained away. This is a significant group and is a reason for some hope.

261192 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Martindale, 54, #124 of 2021 🔗

Had two lads over the other day to take a look at my boiler. They couldn’t be bothered with wearing masks. My girlfriend was telling me that we have to wear masks when they come (in her defense, it was for their benefit, not because she thinks masks do anything), but didn’t even reach for hers when she saw that they don’t care at all. So yeah, it seems like the more hard working people are, the more no-nonsense attitude they adopt, the less susceptible to this BS they are.

261203 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 37, #125 of 2021 🔗

Masks are banned in our house. Weapons of state terrorism!

261236 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 37, #126 of 2021 🔗

When the plumber called recently, I asked him to remove his mask, as I live in a mask free home; he gladly complied and was bare faced on his 2nd visit.

Last week, the owner of a local salon-now forced to close for another 3 weeks-said how pleased she was to see a bare smiling face-mine.

This shows how the workers who are keeping us all afloat are possessed of a sturdy common sense which seems to have deserted the affluent members of the mad establishment.

261246 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to wendyk, 20, #127 of 2021 🔗

I think people coming to our homes wear masks so as not to offend us, and we wear masks so as not to offend them. Which is why i won’t wear a mask unless directly asked to do so. I have no interest in having statistical and ideological battles with my plumber.

261280 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #128 of 2021 🔗

To date, I haven’t battled with anyone;even GP was onside.

261477 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 25, #129 of 2021 🔗

I will not wear a mask anywhere and certainly not inside my own home. My cleaner is relieved that I don’t expect her to and anyone else who comes is informed that they don’t need to. The man who came to service the boiler told me that his company required it ‘for the insurance’ but that he had tested himself with a carbon dioxide monitor after wearing one for some time and was concerned at the level. I also don’t do ‘social distancing’ any more than is already part of the culture in our rural county. My farmer friends think the whole thing is bollocks and ignore most of it. They won’t be told what to do on their own land. Good for them!

261518 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #130 of 2021 🔗

Very well said and I do the very same.

261748 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Caroline Watson, 8, #131 of 2021 🔗

My cleaner was vastly relieved too that I didn’t insist on masks. I much prefer to rely on good ventilation and elderberry tincture to chase any bugs away.

261601 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #132 of 2021 🔗

My rule is: this is smoke free, pet free, mask free, free house. Welcome!

Not that I have any objections to pets, I’d love to have something furry and cute residing with us but Mr H is allergic!

261454 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #133 of 2021 🔗

The rise in germophobia is an interesting one. My father, a long since retired environmental health officer, has a few interesting things to say about “infection control” over the years. He is also of the view that things have gone way over the top even before the coronavirus thing. One of his particular peeves is the wearing of gloves in food preparation areas: In his words, “They are absolutely no fucking use at all. To be of any use the operative would have to change them between each customer transaction and they don’t”. I extend this analogy to the wearing of face masks. To be of any use you would have to change them more frequently than people do.

262654 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, #134 of 2021 🔗

Moderna vaccine has a micro needle platform. Remove the patch and the fluid will penetrate your skin and enter your blood stream. Lovely.

262687 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #135 of 2021 🔗

Was speaking to a sceptical young man on the supermarket till today. He was most uncomfortable wearing his muzzle. He says that he knows of NO-ONE who has contracted this mild virus, and he has worked in several other branches. I’m not surprised he was miffed.

261305 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #136 of 2021 🔗

“Keep the kids busy while I take mum upstairs for a quick hug”

‘That’s why I love you darling, such a daredevil’.

261647 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #137 of 2021 🔗

Very much like self flagulation the more I give away the more I will be given. What an odd situation. The strange thing is everybody I have met all think this is all lies and BS. I only know one girl who is a believer?

261175 Londo Mollari, 7, #138 of 2021 🔗
261176 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 32, #139 of 2021 🔗

I know people mounting a huge campaign to promote hugging. They are turning the human race into monsters. We MUST have physical contact or we will expire. Watch this space!

261180 ▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #140 of 2021 🔗

Hug a human TODAY!

261184 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to annie, 10, #141 of 2021 🔗

Ha, the only hug Mummy got from outside the family on the day of Grandma’s funeral on Wednesday (I never saw Grandma after March as she was in a care home – for her own good or something) was from a well wisher from our courageous prayer group (somewhere in the North…).

I’d say The Hague for those responsible, but sometimes I wonder if that;s too good for them.

Oh well, keep buggering away everyone…

261243 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hugh, 4, #142 of 2021 🔗

Huggering away.

261283 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to annie, #143 of 2021 🔗

🙂

261307 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 3, #144 of 2021 🔗

Silly hugger 🙈

261570 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to karenovirus, 1, #145 of 2021 🔗

Hugby union – 15 a side or Hugby league with 13 ?

261475 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #146 of 2021 🔗

Not just hugging even something as small and insignificant as a handshake.

My builder who I had round the other day for a quote while unmasked and remained so wouldn’t shake my hand and insisted on the “Wuhan elbow bump”. But in further conversation appears to be conflicted with basic human behaviour conceded that it was irrational.

Contrast that my local Indian restaurant where I am on first name terms with the staff: They don’t wear masks either but the owner offered me his elbow for a bump on my last visit and I said, “For fuck’s sake Mo, if I can’t trust it to be “clean” in here…” as I offered my hand for a handshake. Without hesitation he shook my hand and agreed that there was a great deal of nonsense out there.

But the strange thing was how “clandestine” it felt to greet another person in that way.

262083 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #147 of 2021 🔗

There was a joke in Nazi Germany – two men could be seen sitting opposite each other on a train. They both had blankets on their laps but their hands were moving under the blankets. Question: what were they doing?
Answer: they were deaf-mutes telling each other political jokes.
It is starting to become a bit like that.

262259 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #148 of 2021 🔗

I still proffer my hand – guy who’s going to prune the apple tree shook it without thinking.

261178 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 66, #149 of 2021 🔗

Morning All

I suspect many of us are having the odd bouts of insomnia. I’m lost for words on what’s happening. The lunatics have definitely taken over the asylum.

When I got up at 4am, I was heartened to find a new interview between one of my heroes Peter Robinson and John Anderson. For those who don’t know Peter, he was Ronald Reagan’s speech writer and is just brilliant. Very thoughtful, measured and insightful.

One thing that was mentioned in the interview is a nasty thought that I’ve had for some time. In short, it appears that every few generations the masses need to lose their liberty to really value it. I’m old enough at 50+ to remember stories from my grandparents and parents on what it was like to live through WW2. I also remember the 70s with power cuts, strikes and three day weeks. Both made a big impression on me and I think have helped me understand whats at stake.

Reagan himself said:

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

Link to the interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifhORFHlds8&list=UUtnYSEGViOnb7k8ezUaWUww&index=1

We will come through this madness, but its going to take a fight and some time.

Hang in there fellow courageous Lockdown Sceptics.

Onwards and upwards.

261182 ▶▶ annie, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 45, #150 of 2021 🔗

I remember the strikes and powercuts of the 70s, and what it was like to have normality switched off (literally) by an arbitrary power.But I don’t remember the entire population gibbering hysterically about how much they loved having their lives switched off, and I don’t remember demands that anybody who dared to suggest restoring the electricity must be put in prison.

261188 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to annie, 43, #151 of 2021 🔗

That is the effect of social media and the complete polarization of corporate news. Before there was a lot of resistance to new ideas, because you couldn’t convert a big mass of people at once to act as your ideological zealots. The crazy people were few and far between, and couldn’t band together. So when crazy ideas entered society, they would be stopped before spreading too far. But these days all the crazies are on Twitter and Facebook. Any crazy idea is adopted like wildfire. I am firmly convinced that social media is at the root of everything that is wrong with the western world today.

261196 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #152 of 2021 🔗

Watch The Social Dilemma on Netflix. Shows that what you fear is EXACTLY what happened!

261497 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #153 of 2021 🔗

It is THE main driver of this total societal break-down. By design. That’s what it’s for.

262234 ▶▶▶▶ Jon Stevens, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #154 of 2021 🔗

Hitler the great orator managed it. He took peoples worries and made them into fears, he used newspapers, rallies, radio and leafletting. Joseph Goebbels was great at twisting every issue, create the problem to be fixed in the minds of the people.Its been done before and now there are even better ways to brain wash people.

261194 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to annie, 7, #155 of 2021 🔗

Yep, we just got on with it. Candles and all!

261223 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #156 of 2021 🔗

is my memory playing tricks on me or did we have that in the 80’s as well?

261705 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hugh, 2, #157 of 2021 🔗

Where I come from we did have 6-7 hour power cuts daily in the early 1990s

261222 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 13, #158 of 2021 🔗

They usually told you when areas were going to have a power cut in the evening so, as schoolboys, we just visited each others houses accordingly. Pete was never so popular since his home was next door to the waterworks and never got cut off.

In later years we would go to the pub which still still used hand pumps and mechanical tills leaving mum and dad to shiver at home in the dark.
Not in these electronic days.

261631 ▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to karenovirus, 3, #159 of 2021 🔗

His home was next door to the waterworks and never got cut off

I live on the outskirts of a city, and our power used to come over fields from the same circuit which fed the old mental hospital (remember them!). So we never got any “Rota” cuts, but were regularly affected by bad weather…

262246 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to microdave, 3, #160 of 2021 🔗

Generators are pretty cheap these days. Obtaining petrol might be an issue at some point, I guess.

261353 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to annie, 3, #161 of 2021 🔗

They were completely different times.

261381 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 15, #162 of 2021 🔗

The 70s was never like this dystopia – an oasis of optimism in comparison, with minor inconveniences for short periods.

261419 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to RickH, 3, #163 of 2021 🔗

I love looking at pictures of that era. As you say – optimism about the future. High speed trains. Concorde. Early computing. All those brutalist concrete shopping centres and flats might be “ugly” but they were not covered in Grenfell cladding.

261498 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to annie, 9, #164 of 2021 🔗

I was a child in the 70s but that experience has stuck with me all this time. I well remember my parents reading the newspaper for details on the timing of power cuts to various areas so they could plan hot meals for us. I well remember Christmas that year by Tilley Lamp. What I didn’t realise until I read the history of the period was how rampant inflation was and how much higher food prices were as a proportion of income back then. My parents were never what could be called “wealthy” and at times they must have really struggled.

261655 ▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 8, #165 of 2021 🔗

I well remember my parents reading the newspaper for details on the timing of power cuts to various areas so they could plan hot meals for us

And now we face a return to much the same scenario, if Boris doesn’t tell that stupid bint Carrie to wind her “Green” neck in. I’m just waiting for the inevitable week-long anticyclone this winter, with no wind, gloomy skies and sub zero temperatures. I’ve test run the genny,, filled the Jerry cans, and charged all my batteries….

262250 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to microdave, 2, #166 of 2021 🔗

Woodburners are our friends …

262483 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 2, #167 of 2021 🔗

And “They” have been making noises about banning them ….

263076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, #168 of 2021 🔗

Heh, hundreds of thousands of years of tradition up in smoke. 🙂

<gets coat>

261895 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 5, #169 of 2021 🔗

It was always freezing. Our menopausal teachers opened all the windows at school and we wore thick T shirts under our uniforms. The boys’ school didn’t appear to have any heating at all, although there must have been radiators because my father once tied a teacher’s gown to one while he was droning on! There were petrol coupons issued, although not used, and a particular sweet shop was always open on the way to school because it had gas light.
However, we were properly fed, including at school, and much healthier.

262252 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #170 of 2021 🔗

Heh heh – nice one your dad !

262089 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to annie, 4, #171 of 2021 🔗

The difference is that the mass media back then were not in favour of the strikes and power cuts.

261289 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 23, #172 of 2021 🔗

I love Reagan. One of my favourite US presidents.

I have no living memory of the Soviet Union, Berlin Wall, 3 day week etc because I’m too young but I still realise how important freedom is. People of today have been complacent for too long and you are unfortunately right when you say that people will need to lose freedom first to realise its value.

261382 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Poppy, 2, #173 of 2021 🔗

Poppy, watch “Hypernormalisation” – available forever on BBC iPlayer – and come back to me on Reagan!

He also did so much damage to mental health. Undid all the good work done by Jimmy Carter. Reagan basically cancelled mental illness… you’ll be shocked!
https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/

262309 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #174 of 2021 🔗
262315 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #175 of 2021 🔗

https://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/windows-on-the-world-with-mark-windows-sept-1-2020/
Janie Elizabeth Lee of Strand Publishing recently published a book on the NHS.

261455 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Poppy, 4, #176 of 2021 🔗

Better yet Poppy, try to see The Trap and Century of Self on Youtube..That will explain the brainwashing propaganda we are all subjected to on a daily basis.

261467 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #177 of 2021 🔗

And “The Power Of Nightmares”

261480 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 1, #178 of 2021 🔗

Spitting Image on President Regan. A classic, Well worth a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keP17ZU6_RU

261556 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Poppy, 1, #179 of 2021 🔗

In the face of evil—Reagan’s War in Word and Deed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpnW2_YnCnY

261806 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Poppy, 5, #180 of 2021 🔗

Ronnie Reagan is/was responsible for the mess we are all in now. He turned listening to the siren voices of Big Pharma, Big Ag and the MIC into a way of life. His kind of freedom was for Big Money to do what it wanted and to hell with the consequences. Not that there haven’t been worse presidents since, but Ronnie was the one, who really flung the door open for the bastards that now have full rein over every aspect of our lives. Now roll up your sleeve.

262226 ▶▶ Jon Stevens, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #181 of 2021 🔗

I truly believe this our generations fight for freedom. Never would have I imagined our countries’ government closing businesses, fining and arresting people, stopping protests, censoring discussion, government fear campaigns, I wont let this go by the wayside!

261187 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 57, #182 of 2021 🔗

The best argument I have heard this weekend is that the bringing forward of the banning of internal combustion engines to 2030 by Prime Ministerial decree is an undeniable change to our ‘way of life’ that nobody voted for. It is highly likely that because of this, soon after that date, people’s lives will be changed fundamentally. It will affect everything, from where it is viable to live, how people work, and how they spend their leisure time. It will make the owning of cars something that only the rich can do. This is not something that most ‘conservative’ voters would wish to see, and yet it is going ahead at breakneck speed. Obviously, it is something that Labour supports, too – although they’ll find aspects to complain about, of course. It will be nodded through parliament.

The issue is not whether the country can convert to electric vehicles in time – it can’t, but even thinking this would be unbelievably naive. The whole reason for doing this is to change the way we live.

Conspiracy or not, it is ‘The Great Reset’ on steroids – and by sheer coincidence is a global policy. It is the equivalent of issuing orders to the effect of:

  • You shall move away from the countryside (and even the suburbs), into cities.
  • You shall work from your home.
  • You shall be discouraged from leaving the city
  • You shall not own a car but will hire one as needed – your journey approved by the authorities
  • Hobbies and businesses that require rough-and-ready transport shall become non-viable.

Anyone who maybe, at the back of their mind, was thinking they might one day buy a cottage in the country and do it up themselves… forget it. Obviously, any idea of a second home that you drive over to on a Friday evening is a nonstarter. Anyone who thought they might start a business buying and selling antiques… well how much will a new electric estate car or van cost? And anyway, antiques remind us of our imperialist past. Mowing people’s lawns? What lawns? Dog walking? Dogs aren’t allowed in apartment blocks – and they were all put down after the zoonosis scare, anyway. Your elderly mother lives 30 miles away and you often pop over to give her some meals to put in the freezer..? Tricky.

Life as we know it is over. It has just been confirmed – dropped into a press conference with barely a murmur of protest. And anyway, there’s no alternative party to vote for even if you do object.

261191 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Barney McGrew, 16, #183 of 2021 🔗

It’s all insane but I imagine they are only talking about banning new cars with internal combustion engines. That all NEW cars post 2030 will be electric, right? You’ll be able to drive existing cars until they are ready for the scrap heap. With so much crap going on let’s be careful not to over-dramatise possible dystopian scenarios. Let’s try to find SOMETHING to be positive about. Anyone?

261200 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 19, #184 of 2021 🔗

Here’s one way of looking at it. The crazier it all becomes, the more people will be motivated to act. We should maybe celebrate every time that the technocrats bring out some more mad freedom infringing diktats as it’ll open people’s eyes quicker.

If you’re going through hell, then go through quickly.

261210 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 26, #185 of 2021 🔗

OK, so living in the countryside only becomes totally non-viable in 2040 – just about the time I had pictured myself living in the Yorkshire Dales. This is what I object to: the closing down of our dreams on the basis of mock science and dogma.

261218 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #186 of 2021 🔗

They will raise taxes so much on ICE engines, you won’t be able to drive them. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 15 pounds per day if you want to start your car.

261445 ▶▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #187 of 2021 🔗

Already done – from 1st January that’s exactly what it costs in the extend ULEZ in London (essentially the entire area within north and south circular). 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. Not sure there are any residential exemptions but could be wrong

261230 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 24, #188 of 2021 🔗

A bit off topic but in my opinion, for a whole host of practical, political, economic and logistical reasons, I do not think it will ever be possible to replace all internal petrol engines with electric cars. In a way this covid nonsense is a way of softening us to the idea that in future we may not each be able to have our own vehicle (maybe an electric bike!). I regard freedom of movement as a key freedom and is one I hold dear and so the loss of individual vehicles will be a significant restriction on this freedom.
I do foresee a growth industry in car renovation and restoration in order to keep old petrol/diesel vehicles going as long as possible.

261233 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #189 of 2021 🔗

Why do you not think it possible? Because electric engines cannot sustain our way of life? Well, that’s the point. Sustaining our way of life is not a priority. In fact, they mean to radically change it.

261371 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #190 of 2021 🔗

I get the impression they want most people on bicycles, roller skates, pogo sticks, etc..

261247 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #191 of 2021 🔗

Think about it, if you look at The Ukraine and its war (thank you very much, Brussels!) it seems that people are scratching coal from open cast, illegal diggings to keep themselves warm. When economic reality catches up (as it will if they continue to destroy our economy), I think a lot of this will go out the window, one way or another.

261335 ▶▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #192 of 2021 🔗

This is true. There is not the precious metal resources currently known about (let alone mined with high energy input) to replace the current ICE fleet of vehicles. This is before we even address the situation of infrastructure and energy required to charge the things.

261338 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Henry, 5, #193 of 2021 🔗

And what there is is mined by child slave labour.

261348 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Henry, 8, #194 of 2021 🔗

There are promising noises with AL-air batteries both here and in India (where they see it as a way of reducing dependence on China). These are different to Li-ion because rather than charging the battery, you swap it out and the spent cell can then be “regenerated” rather than recharged. This makes it as quick to refuel as ICE and elminates the problem of people not having access to a charging point at home. Add the facts they are talking about a range of 1600 miles and that aluminium is plentiful, widespread and relatively easy to work with and it starts to look a lot more viable.

262211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #195 of 2021 🔗

Why am I thinking thermite ?

262574 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Henry, 3, #196 of 2021 🔗

It’s not really about making things greener. It’s about making things harder and more expensive, so that there will be no incentive to travel or own a vehicle, other than a bike. And of course, this only applies to those few who haven’t fallen in the great Covid-19 vaccine reset.

261239 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #197 of 2021 🔗

Until they’re ready for the scrap heap? Oh great, we’ll end up like Cuba!

261318 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #198 of 2021 🔗

They wont need to ban driving old cars just make fuel prohibitively expensive, win win for them.

261326 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to karenovirus, 12, #199 of 2021 🔗

They need to be very careful about circumventing the need for oil. What else does the Middle East have? It can’t feed itself (oil sales do that) and it has a massive, very young, very macho, largely religiously devout population. Coming to a coastal town near you!

262214 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #200 of 2021 🔗

Already here, aren’t they ?

261665 ▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to karenovirus, 6, #201 of 2021 🔗

Just make fuel prohibitively expensive

That’s just what I’m expecting, and is the same sort of “Coercion” as requiring Covid certificates in order to go about your daily business…

261365 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #202 of 2021 🔗

Ironically, the only thing that lockdown was useful for was to show the dire effects of pollution caused by the internal combustion engine.

But rationally dealing with the problem is a different matter.

261579 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #204 of 2021 🔗

It’s easy to come out and say that new petrol & diesel cars will be banned by 2030, but reality will overtake during the next 9 years. Why do you think that the car manufacturers aren’t kicking up a fuss. They can spot bullshit along with the rest of us!

262566 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #205 of 2021 🔗

We won’t be driving anything by 2030.

261202 ▶▶ annie, replying to Barney McGrew, 15, #206 of 2021 🔗

It’s all bullshit. It isn’t going to happen. Period.

261281 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to annie, 27, #207 of 2021 🔗

November 2019:
“Xmas next year won’t look anything like Xmas this year. Why not? Because the government will issue rules and new laws that will make it illegal to have the type of Xmas gathering you’re used to. Pubs won’t be open. Xmas nights out with friends from work will be illegal.”

“Bullshit, it isn’t going to happen. Period.”

The creeping of totalitarianism is now a brisk trot.

(not have a dig at you, btw)

262484 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #208 of 2021 🔗

Yay Annie! Those numbskulls don’t even know what the heck they’re doing. They are just idiot dreamers and are going to needlessly waste billions of dollars and pounds of our money on a pipe dream.

262486 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #209 of 2021 🔗

An opium induced pipe dream most likely.

261206 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #210 of 2021 🔗

I hope that Al Johnson et al have just added to this list –

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

261211 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 17, #211 of 2021 🔗

Or

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261320 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #212 of 2021 🔗

Tuvalu is still with us, was supposed to have sunk beneath the waves 10 years ago.

262100 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #213 of 2021 🔗

“Civilisation still exists” – really? It has all been a bit closer to Orwell this year than I would like.
“World democracy has risen 536%” – Interestingly precise percentage point, perhaps depending on what you define as “democracy”.
Some of the other claims may prove to be going into reverse, like life expectancy.

261215 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #214 of 2021 🔗

Unfortunately he isn’t merely predicting the end of the world as we know it; he is doing it.

261219 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Barney McGrew, 11, #215 of 2021 🔗

Fair point! I seriously hope that it’ll backfire in time. Up until now, most people haven’t felt any direct impact of the eco-loon policies as its been hidden via indirect taxation in energy prices. Now that there’s a direct and very visible attack on people’s way of life then I hope it’ll wake them up.

261227 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #216 of 2021 🔗

Well, not sure what the game plan is going to be going forward, but it might stay unchanged. Before covid, the idea was that you would use tax money to make electric vehicles economically viable for people (use everyone’s money to fund the spearhead). The people that would get electric vehicles would be tied into the ecosystem now, and they would tell everyone how the car pays for itself, so more people would get them. This would go on until tax money would not be enough to sustain this charade, but by this point public opinion would have swayed towards electric vehicles. So when the downsides start becoming apparent, it’s already too late.

261342 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #217 of 2021 🔗

The trouble is that the game plan is bunk. One of the comment trails on the Telegraph on the subject included a post from someone with a Nissan Leaf they’d had from new. As the car had aged the range had dropped from 95 miles to 40 and Nissan were quoting them £9500 for a new battery. Given that most people don’t buy cars from new, if the battery range drops so dramatically in the course of a few years then there will be no way people will be buying electric secondhand – certainly not if it costs that much to make them viable – so you won’t get the take-up required to shift public opinion.

From a personal perspective, I could afford a new electric car, but I just don’t see the point: the range even when new is pathetic and I’m not the kind of person who buys a second vehicle for virtue-signalling purposes. I don’t see hydrogen as the future either: the refuelling time may be better, but you still sacrifice a lot of boot space to the fuel tanks and there are serious issues with the transport and storage of pressurised, flammable gases (this is why a lot of car parks ban LPG owners). There are other technologies out there (AL-air fuel cells seem the most promising to me) but I don’t see an impending ban helping the right technology maturing and getting market penetration in time. Remember what happened with lightbulbs: when incandescents were banned we were all stuck with useless CFLs for years before LED technology finally took over.

261536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andrew Fish, 10, #218 of 2021 🔗

Nearly the whole floor pan of a Tesla is one huge battery filled with 1000’s of 18650 Lithium Ion batteries, just like the kind that power vape machines for vaping. I find this amazing. The car owner does not own the battery, ever, they lease the battery from Tesla. The battery is more than two thirds of the total cost of the car.
The range is about 250 miles.
Even on a fast charger it will still take at least 45 mins to charge your car.
A slow charger will take 8 or 9 hours.
If an electric vehicle is involved in an accident specialist crews will be needed to render them safe. An EV poses a serious hazard when it is in a damaged state. With a real risk of electrocution, fire and explosions.

Yer EV’s rock.

261217 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Barney McGrew, 17, #219 of 2021 🔗

As a lot of us know, there is nothing conservative about the conservative party.

And yes. This whole push towards electric vehicles is precisely because they want to restrict freedom of movement. The communists use to ration petrol.

If one wants to reduce carbon emissions, one immediately becomes a firm advocate of nuclear power. If someone is calling for lowering emissions but is against nuclear power, that means they either are incredibly dishonest or a useful idiot.

261220 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 11, #220 of 2021 🔗

If someone is calling for lowering emissions but is against nuclear power, that means they either are incredibly dishonest or a useful idiot.

100%

261232 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #221 of 2021 🔗

The “not the Conservative party”? How I miss the late, great Christopher Booker. I’d love to know what he’d have made of all this.

261317 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #222 of 2021 🔗

Outside London there are six fields each with 200 to 500 abandoned Black Cabs abandoned by their owners (trade down by 95%). or repossessed by finance companies.
Many of them all electric £65k a pop.
Going cheap at an auction near you shortly.

261516 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #223 of 2021 🔗

Interesting, I didn’t know that. Crazy. I bet the batteries will quickly degrade if these vehicles are just left idle.

261671 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Two-Six, 10, #224 of 2021 🔗

You know the biggest problem with electric cars? The all need recharging. What nobody tells you is how the electric companies will make enough electricity to deal with this. Especially as all your heating and cooking will now be offf the same grid. Fast chargers for cars burn enormous amounts of energy and each home will need at least two. We do not make this much energy. Like all these green schemes they are knee jerk and not thought through. Cant wait for the suggestion that we all get Fred Flintstone cars and new trainers.

261629 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #225 of 2021 🔗

Totally agree and this crossed my mind at the weekend regarding electric cars. People say “ahh but we won’t have the infrastructure for electric cars, or not enough raw materials for batteries etc etc”. The government know this and don’t care. The objective is they don’t want us ‘the little people’ to have the same car ownership as we enjoy today. It will be for the politburo/rich folks only who can afford an electric car and therefore enjoy the freedoms this offers. Everything points to this with ‘smart cities’, bike lanes galore, electric cars, talk of charging per mile some extortionate cost etc. This is what they want to fit with the climate and global agendas!

261879 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #226 of 2021 🔗

Once again all predictions of a ‘future’ turn out to be wrong, so cheer up !

262348 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #227 of 2021 🔗

Just because these people have stupid ideas does not mean that we have to accept them. Boris is a dunce. I live in Montreal, Quebec. Our Premier made a similar announcement just last week. His target year is 2035. Silly, really, because most of the cars that I see around the streets of Montreal and most of Quebec are small, economical, fuel efficient automobiles.

261189 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 8, #228 of 2021 🔗

HOW CAN MEMBERS OF THE SUPPOSED OPPOSITION PARTIES BE PERSUADED TO SHOW SOME GUTS?

Today’s editorial contains a series of depressing and worrying items about further pointless restrictions and measures that will impinge on our civil liberties.

How on earth can this misguided malevolent madness be stopped?

The only parliamentary opposition to the imposition of these measures is from the Covid Recovery Group of 70 Conservative MPs.

The Labour party has indicated it will support these measures and most of the supposed opposition parties seem to be in favour of even more stringent action.

Surely there must be a significant number of MPs who have seen the blindingly obvious light and disagree with their parties’ approach?

How can they be persuaded to stand up and be counted?

One obvious thing is for everyone to write to their MPs now, well in advance of parliamentary debates and votes.

What other routes of action could be taken?

261208 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to SilentP, 5, #229 of 2021 🔗

I wrote to my MP. She made it clear that she voted following her party’s interest, not the interest of her constituents. I quote:

On 4 November, I voted in line with my Labour colleagues on the Government’s new restrictions.

No, it doesn’t go on to say “in order to protect people” or anything like that. That is the end of the paragraph.
So i have 0 hope that my Labour MP can be persuaded to see any semblance of reason.

261263 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #230 of 2021 🔗

Well if you fancy direct action, put up posters around your constituency, and outside the headquarters of your mp’s party listing some of the key reasons why this is a bad idea until they get the message.

261274 ▶▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to Hugh, 9, #231 of 2021 🔗

My MP was one of the founders of the Covid Recovery Group. I have been in contact with him and sent some suggestions to the group’s leaders

261328 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to SilentP, 5, #232 of 2021 🔗

Could you suggest a vote of no confidence in Johnson. It’s one vote you can guarantee Labour wouldn’t back the Government on and it might actually result in a change.

261428 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to SilentP, 4, #233 of 2021 🔗

You are very fortunate. I’m just trying to decide whether it’s worth even writing to my useless “bullying” cabinet member MP again. She just regurgitated all the lies from Matt Hancock and is clearly more interested in remaining in cabinet than acting in her constituents’ interests.
I may spend 10 minutes on it later just to let her know the contents of her last letter are not factually correct and some of her constituents are watching her.

261209 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to SilentP, 7, #234 of 2021 🔗

You seemed to have forgotten the fact that most of our MP’s are corrupt and on the take

261229 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to Cecil B, 4, #235 of 2021 🔗

I expect most of us are cynical about many MPs.

Although it may be hard to make a meaningful difference, there is no benefit in just getting angry and doing nothing about it.

There will be a short window of opportunity before this goes to Parliament so let’s come up with some ideas of what actions can be taken now to influence things.

261254 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cecil B, 2, #236 of 2021 🔗

not from big pharma, I suppose? (and I’m assuming that that’s why my favourite food Apricot kernels got banned from being sold as a food by the EU).

262186 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hugh, #237 of 2021 🔗

We’ve started cracking our own, Hugh. (It does mean we eat a hundredweight of apricots in the summer.). 🙂

261361 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 2, #238 of 2021 🔗

Were it as simple as that. No point in creating comfort blankets.

261190 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 19, #239 of 2021 🔗

These are the first countries in Europe bending the curve downwards. Armenia and Switzerland no lockdown. France and Belgium hard lockdown .Czech republic lockdown. Netherlands ,as usual ,lockdown “lite”. See any different in curves? This virus has its own trajectory regardless of any interventions. Total illusion that it is controlled by legal means and suspect SD in practice minimal impact on a virus which has aerosol transmission.

261224 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 2, #240 of 2021 🔗

Thank you Swedenborg, I have been trying to find a graph that was, briefly posted on the BBC that showed the relative situations in various countries, including the UK, but haven’t been able to find it. Have you seen it anywhere.

261287 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Will, 8, #241 of 2021 🔗

Yes, thanks swedenborg. Your technical posts are one of the best bits of this forum.

261358 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 3, #242 of 2021 🔗

Again – Swedenborg, these curves don’t represent anything significant in terms of illness.

They are only about the detection of certain RNA fragments – of interest only in a theoretical frame.

… and that steep peak raises more questions than it answers.

261414 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to RickH, 4, #243 of 2021 🔗

I agree that mass testing exaggerate cases, deaths and hospitalization but one cannot deny that Czech republic has now a serious outbreak compared to the April wave with full ICUs etc,The timing of all countries is the same as happens with a seasonal virus. I wouldn’t deny a seasonal wave in Europe but overcounting due to mass testing is a fact but the symmetry of the curves speaks for a the seasonal wave.

261473 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #244 of 2021 🔗

I agree. The similarities can still be informative.

We also can speculate, with my tin foil hat on, that there is a coordination between counties to inflate and deflate the numbers in concert? Why not?

262676 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to swedenborg, 1, #245 of 2021 🔗

Is it possible that the outbreak is Flu, not Covid?

261464 ▶▶ davews, replying to swedenborg, 1, #246 of 2021 🔗

Seems that those with the highest peak have had the most rapid decrease. UK following soon…

261554 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to davews, 3, #247 of 2021 🔗

We haven’t gone as high and are already on the way back down because we have reached effective herd immunity in most areas because we didn’t lock down, the first time, as early and as hard as the likes of Spain, France and the Czech Republic.

263003 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to swedenborg, #248 of 2021 🔗

Quick note. Switzerland is currently operating on cantonal basis. About one-third the country (French and Italian speaking cantons and — as of today — Basel) is effectively in lockdown. The rest is, and hopefully will remain, open.

There would need to be a consensus in Bundesrat to impose national lockdown, and I judge — and pray — that that will not happen (SVP members will oppose it).

261201 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #249 of 2021 🔗

Today In their online article the BBC write about the upcoming court case of the ‘ teenage runaway ‘ Begum

They declare there is ‘Sooooo much at stake ‘ in the case

Really? As I remember it the BBC didn’t give a FF when we all got locked up

The BBC truly are the enemy of the people and should be treated as such

261226 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Cecil B, 9, #250 of 2021 🔗

BBC = Globalist propaganda mouthpiece

261212 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #251 of 2021 🔗

Interesting take on vaccines in this twitter thread by Francois Balloux, especially his warning of mutated strains and vaccines. Read between his lines, let us see how safe this vaccine is when used in the priority groups but other might disagree to this reading. https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1330742543764615168

261341 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to swedenborg, 7, #252 of 2021 🔗

At least he has some common sense – the vaccine can’t be rolled out to all who want it when they want it.
Hancock could take note of Balloux’s comment:
“Public health measures work best in a climate of trust, respect and cooperation. Planning coercive and/or punitive measures that are not even materially enforceable in the short term can only backfire by further undermining trust in health and political authorities.”

261213 annie, replying to annie, 16, #253 of 2021 🔗

‘Hugs are still banned.’
Even after nine. months of bullshit, that one still makes my mind reel.

261285 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to annie, 27, #254 of 2021 🔗

They know no one will listen. Anyone who still refuses to hug loved ones after 9 months of this needs to get their head checked.

261469 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to annie, 9, #255 of 2021 🔗

I hug all my friends I see and my wife’s family members ..Her brother and his wife is a complete lockdown fanatic and now never visits anymore as the last time he was at my house I told him to take the mask down or leave…I also post Mabel Cows memes on the family What’s App group and now they all think I’m crazy..Fuck them, I had enough of peoples feelings. Like I really good meme on the webs said: Please don’t drag me into your own psychoses!

261216 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 41, #256 of 2021 🔗

You are correct. The health passports are not intended to be temporary.

Ultimately they will form the basis of an electronic control grid; the pretext for their introduction is the vaccination programme, which is why the regime has been pushing it so hard, even though CV-19 is of negligible danger.

Once they have gone live, the UK will no longer be a free country. It will resemble the USSR and Apartheid era South Africa, with their internal passports. Your ability to go about your business will be conditional on an arbitrary and unscientific definition of your ‘health’ that has nothing at all to do with your actual state of health.

This status can be withdrawn at any moment, wrecking your life. Just think how useful this will be to keep people in line. You can rest assured that the regime has exactly this in mind for the planned WEF ‘green’ future where living standards are drastically cut for normal people (not billionaires like Gates or Soros) and there will be a danger of unrest.

This is why all the arguments about t-cells, masks and asymptomatic transmission are like water off a duck’s back to the regime. It has this New Order almost within its grasp and only the most resolute opposition will stop it now.

261231 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to PaulH, 11, #257 of 2021 🔗

“Oh, Twitter told use you’ve been saying bad things online… Well… it would be a shame if somehow one of your biweekly covid tests were to get contaminated…”

261245 ▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #258 of 2021 🔗

Precisely.

Or…health passport goes red due a to a ‘computer glitch’ – just after you went to a meeting where a dissident happened to be speaking. And for some reason the ‘helpline’ won’t pick up…

261248 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to PaulH, 16, #259 of 2021 🔗

“We are so sorry, but there was a mistake. Unfortunately it will take a few days to a week to clear up and then you have to be in quarantine for a month. Yes, i understand you didn’t have it, but that’s our procedure, can’t do anything about that.”
Yep. Totally plausible.

261331 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #260 of 2021 🔗

Reminds me of working in the DHSS long ago, if anyone kicked off or abused staff their file would be mysteriously “lost” for several days. No giro until it’s found!

261424 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #261 of 2021 🔗

There was a clip from China on YouTube showing someone looking at his phone while exiting his office building after being told by his phone to self isolate.
He dances a little jig when his phone suddenly decides he is fit after all.

261291 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 14, #262 of 2021 🔗

So far as I’m concerned, I’m not having covid tests. Seriously, will it be like the enclosures in previous centuries – thrown off your land and left to starve to death, or get hung for stealing a sheep (or a lamb)?

262331 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Hugh, #263 of 2021 🔗

It sent poor old John Clare mad…

261262 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to PaulH, 11, #264 of 2021 🔗

This needs to be quoted to Johnson every day:
https://www.boris-johnson.com/2004/11/25/id-cards/

Read it and laugh derisively.

261309 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to PaulH, 18, #265 of 2021 🔗

They are based on the Chinese social credit score.We can talk about the science all day long on here but it has no effect but this is no longer about a virus.
It could have the effect of finally waking a lot of people up.Even sceptics who believe this is all due to Government incompetence and bungling.

261373 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 14, #266 of 2021 🔗

It was never about a virus. I saw this coming a week after the first lockdown. The technological infrastructure wasn’t there in years before, now it is and here we are. I am just surprised it is all happening so quickly as sudden change alerts too many people; that is why the Covid hoax is actually genius. Well played. But it is made much easier when people believe the TV over their own experience.

261463 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jb12, 14, #267 of 2021 🔗

The tech infrastructure is not there. You think it can just be switched on? It’s doable but it’s not there, especially when I think of the scale you are talking about.

I have been working on large IT implementations for 10 years and even within a single corporation it is a mammoth task. With cloud tech it’s gotten a lot easier, but it still fails often. And the end product still takes years of further support to fix design issues.

I just want to say that because it means we will have many opportunities to prevent this. It won’t happen overnight and I hope that takes away some of the fear for people.

AI, drones, mass surveillance tech, integrated health tech. Its all there now and gives many power hungry people wet dreams. However such people think the IT boffins can just deliver it. Nope, sorry. We sell It boffins to large corps with next to zero skill. They wing it every day and do so very well I might add

261513 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #268 of 2021 🔗

Yes, it won’t happen overnight. That is not what I said. It is happening though, and every move made now is a movement towards it. As others have observed, it will start with health passports based on tests and move to vaccination passports and on it will go. My ‘happening so quickly’ comment was the speed at which they are altering society and what people expect as their normal; it is no longer the frog being slowly cooked alive, as in previous eras.

262346 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #269 of 2021 🔗

What happens if a well time massive solar fare bollox the whole shebang. Nature always wins in the end, so be of good cheer..

261355 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PaulH, 4, #270 of 2021 🔗

I disagree. It will be even worse than either. More North Korea, but with a bit more wealth.

261500 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PaulH, 1, #271 of 2021 🔗

Where is Peter Hain now?

261529 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, -1, #272 of 2021 🔗

As often the case, not entirely wrong, just too much emphasis on intent, implicitly claiming too much unwarranted supposed knowledge of intentionality among too many people.

Are there powerful people with these kinds of thinking and conscious intentions out there? Undoubtedly (though of course they will be dressing it up for themselves with all kinds of noble goals to do with environmentalism and such). Do they include Johnson or people “controlling” him?Highly unlikely. They are opportunists taking advantage of this situation, or in many cases opportunists who don’t exist today but will exploit these structures once they are in place.

And get yourself an identity of your own, you lazy, rude inconsiderate lout! Lazy, because you can’t be bothered to create your own identity. Rude, because you’ve never had the minimal courtesy to respond on this point even when approached with perfect politeness early on, and inconsiderate, because you are gratuitously creating confusion.

261758 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mark, #273 of 2021 🔗

Mark, did you mean to reply to yourself?

261857 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jb12, 3, #274 of 2021 🔗

Exactly the kind of confusion this new “Mark” is creating by simply refusing to do the minimally polite and considerate thing of choosing an identity that is not already in regular use.

262078 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mark, 1, #275 of 2021 🔗

Ah, now I see! Sorry, I was looking and trying to figure out who you might have been talking to.

262679 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PaulH, #276 of 2021 🔗

Solutions, we need solutions.

261225 annie, replying to annie, 32, #277 of 2021 🔗

For the first time in over forty years, I shan’t be going to church this Christmas. Not going will hurt, but to be amidst a little gaggle of muzzled, anti-socially distanced, silenced, cowering, grovelling Covidian ghouls would be far worse.

Christmas and Easter have always been the times when ‘fringe’ sort-of Christians flock to the churches. Not this year.The Anglican church has made itself irrelevant. It’s finished.

261241 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 17, #278 of 2021 🔗

Our local church now requires customers to buy and download a ticket online.

Seat numbers are allocated and printed on the ticket

No I am not joking

261255 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Cecil B, 3, #279 of 2021 🔗

My parish does this. It’s not great, but remember that churches have to follow the bible, which is very clear that Christians should obey legitimate authority (Titus 3:1). I wouldn’t personally say that a government that make mass illegal is legitimate, but it’s not so easy for bible-following churches to disobey the law.

261278 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Recusant, 17, #280 of 2021 🔗

Sorry, that’s plain wrong. The prophet Daniel continued to pray three times a day after the state told him not to. “We must obey God rather than men” – the apostle Peter.

261323 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bugle, 11, #281 of 2021 🔗

Yes indeed. The church has forgotten the doctrine of the ‘Lesser Magistrate’. If the state commands what the Bible forbids or the state forbids what the Bible commands Christians must obey God rather than men. See ‘Lex Rex’ by Samuel Rutherford.

261347 ▶▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Bugle, 3, #282 of 2021 🔗

The prophet Daniel lived in captivity in Babylon, hardly a legitimate government. I personally think that a government that makes mass illegal is not legitimate and I would be having secret masses at rocks in the countryside, like they did in penal Ireland, but that is a prudential judgement and I don’t think we should be too harsh on people who come to different judgements than we do. Disagree, yes, but scorn no.

261363 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Recusant, #283 of 2021 🔗

Scorn?

261699 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Bugle, 1, #284 of 2021 🔗

Sorry, wasn’t accusing you of scorn, I was thinking of the original post

be amidst a little gaggle of muzzled, anti-socially distanced, silenced, cowering, grovelling Covidian ghouls

261282 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Recusant, 7, #285 of 2021 🔗

That’s the laws of the land;If they interfere with Gods work then they are there to be ignored.

261297 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Recusant, 5, #286 of 2021 🔗

By your logic your church would collaborate in the murder of Anne Frank Sinatra

Oooops forgot…….. They did

261481 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Recusant, 11, #287 of 2021 🔗

Yes…I’m sure Jesus would just say to his apostles: Well if the Romans tells us we cant gather, pray and sing together than we better listen to what they say. See you all in 6 months…. Bullshit, Jesus was a rebel , a prophet and a defender of the little man, he would be leading mass pray sessions in the Park if he was alive today.

261265 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to annie, 9, #288 of 2021 🔗

Annie, I would describe myself as agnostic. Used to be a full-on believer since my teens but twenty years ago, a visit to Bethlehem and Jerusalem, where we were shepherded round by a professor of archaeology called Moses, changed all of that. We have never been inside a church voluntarily since then, apart from weddings or funerals.

However, I would defend totally your right to have a different belief to mine. The massive irony is that the Christian church uses Christmas to celebrate the birth of someone called Jesus, the Christ. If churches are not allowed to operate properly at this time of year, then why is the government making such a fuss about CHRISTmas?

261270 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Margaret, 5, #289 of 2021 🔗

Because their ability to maintain control has reached tipping point. They hope to recover their advantage once Christmas is over.

261290 ▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 4, #290 of 2021 🔗

Even though you won’t be in church, my instinct is that you’ll be much closer to Him than all of the flock.

261298 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to annie, 8, #291 of 2021 🔗

Heartened to read about that “underground” church above (I think). Hardly anyone wears a mask at our church (which will remain secret for obvious reasons – unless the covid spies are better than I think). Surely there must be some C of E in Wales that are standing up to this? Or if you can stomach other denominations? Say, I think we should all have a big public carol singalong somewhere, just to make a point to those who want to “ban” Christmas. Keep “huggering” away! We can do something ourselves, even if Church leadership doesn’t. Don’t let the anti-huggers get you down, that’s what they want!

261491 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Hugh, 4, #292 of 2021 🔗

What people seem to forget is that ALL churches used to be underground. That is how Christian religion operated for the first 300 years.

261308 ▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 2, #293 of 2021 🔗

I am so sorry Annie, I can only imagine how painful this must be for you.

261330 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 6, #294 of 2021 🔗

A neighbour stopped yesterday to tell me that her local church-where she is an Elder-is now closed for the next three weeks, thanks to Sturgeon’s Tier 4 directive.

She’s quietly angry and I sympathise ,despite being an atheist. Recently, I’ve found myself defending beleaguered Christians who want to worship as normal.

What a crazy world this is.

261352 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to wendyk, 11, #295 of 2021 🔗

No – it’s not a crazy ‘world’. It a designed dystopia, created by a disgustingly out-of-control political class that needs to be reigned in and brought to book.

HOW that’s done is the only question in a situation where the populace is willing to buy into the most egregious lies and fantasies generated by the exploitation of fear.

261359 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 2, #296 of 2021 🔗

Dystopia =psychotic/crazy world to me, Rick

262955 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, 1, #297 of 2021 🔗

It will be done with your consent even though you were not asked to consent.

261343 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 3, #298 of 2021 🔗

I am sorry, Annie; this is a terrible state of affairs. It’s very hard to know what to do when it seems that one’s community has lost its mind. It’s an experience of betrayal and enormous disappointment.
There is a clarity in the perception of it, but what is one to do from there?
I wish you could find one of the house churches mentioned on the site today. I am so desperate to be with people, and so deeply convinced of the social, psychological and ethical importance of embodied presence, that I would attend one myself if I could (and if they would let me: I’m not a Christian).

261351 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Alethea, 4, #299 of 2021 🔗

Ha, I read an article a while back suggesting that quite a number of people who attend church are not strictly speaking Christian. In any case, quite a large part of Christianity is simply loving your neighbour. I’m sure you’d be fine!

261360 ▶▶ Louieg, replying to annie, 8, #300 of 2021 🔗

Annie, I feel exactly the same as you, I’m an occasional Catholic but I haven’t been able to bring myself to attend Mass as I can’t/won’t wear a mask and it would upset me so to see all those masked faces. Missing Midnight Mass and the carols beforehand is awful, I never believed in all my years we would ever come to something as horrible as this…so sad. Sending hugs.

261684 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Louieg, 1, #301 of 2021 🔗

Yes in answer to the question WWJD I think laying down and not protesting would never be an answer. But here we are….

261434 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 2, #302 of 2021 🔗

I have several years of Carols from Kings to see me through Xmas day

261838 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to annie, 3, #303 of 2021 🔗

It baffles me how the vicar sincerely believes in God yet is terrified of a virus.She is over 70,but if you believe heaven awaits you and God is in control, it is very odd.

261228 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #304 of 2021 🔗

Good to hear there is old fashioned medicine still alive in the former Eastern Europe (UK guidelines almost treat autopsies like EBOLA virus victims)

https://twitter.com/tlowdon/status/1330608284068311040
“Slovakia performs autopsies on most deaths where the deceased was Cov2 positive. On Nov 9, 127 (35%) of 366 Cov2 positive deaths were found not to have been caused by COVID-19. “So if we didn’t do a detailed investigation, we would have had significantly more deaths in Covid-19.

261271 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to swedenborg, 4, #305 of 2021 🔗

Surprised it’s that high a percentage, to be honest. I had suspected true COVID deaths now (rather than back in March/April) are about 10pct of total. And maybe about 50pct at peak.

261431 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sophie123, 4, #306 of 2021 🔗

What made you think it was 10%?

The main thing really is that we don’t do it. It’s just another sign that we are willfully inflating numbers. If we did that here in Northern Ireland right now our 7 day rolling average of CV-19 deaths would be less than 1 based on the Slovak figure. It would be way down the table for causes of of death.

It would also indicate how sensitive the tests are and would demand that we better diagnose hospitalisations for CV-19, so those numbers would also collapse.

Piers Morgan was praising Matt Hancock this morning for the testing prison he has built in the UK. We are being played like fiddles, the window has shifted and, while some of the the mainstream see holes in the government lines, their solutions are based on acceptance of lies that have gone before. Therefore their solutions will just inflict more pain on tbe population.

261710 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sophie123, 2, #307 of 2021 🔗

I think the percentage is rather low.
When they did autopsies in Hamburg in spring, they found none of the 127 persons died of covid.

261250 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 13, #308 of 2021 🔗

Anybody here seen this TV series from 1977 with Edward Woodward? It depicts Britain under an oppressive socialist government.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075469/

1990
In a dystopian future, Britain is under the grip of the Home Office’s Public Control Department (PCD), a tyrannically oppressive bureaucracy riding roughshod over the population’s civil liberties.

Storyline Great Britain, 1990. The population is now governed by an increasingly corrupt bureaucracy headed by the Home Secretary and backed by the tyrannical Public Control Department (PCD), who have done away with the rights of the individual and maintain control through ID cards, rationing, censorship and electronic/audio/physical surveillance. Free speech is forbidden. The rule of law no longer protects the weak and defenseless.

261252 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #309 of 2021 🔗

1984 is being used as an instruction manual, not a warning.

261693 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #310 of 2021 🔗

Has anybody seen Demolition man lately? Future controlled with everything computer controlled, no touching or sex, no profanity, computers telling you how great you look so you get joy joy feelings. And people driven underground eating rat burgers who do not believe.

261259 Danny, replying to Danny, 29, #311 of 2021 🔗

Lots of talk here today about freedom passes, and how a planned totalitarian nightmare is almost upon us.
Personally I am still unsure as to whether this is conspiracy or rank opportunism following mass panic, but what really strikes me is just how unaware most people are.
That is the variable that is the most different to any other regime change in history. The average person on the street seems blissfully unaware that masks, closures, bans on seeing families etc, are even a problem. This is far more Brave New World than 1984. Blissful ignorance.

261378 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Danny, 5, #312 of 2021 🔗

People are so dumb they call these things a ‘conspiracy theory’ when they are being told by the people who will implement them that they are happening.

261584 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to jb12, 2, #313 of 2021 🔗

Yes, brainwashed idiots. It’s incredible.

261264 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 2, #314 of 2021 🔗

“announced in advance”? To who?

261269 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to mattghg, 2, #315 of 2021 🔗

To the people that matter, which doesn’t include the population of the United Kingdom.

261299 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #316 of 2021 🔗

Sorry, I should have given more context. According to the Sun, Christmas “social bubbles will have to be announced in advance”.

261346 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mattghg, 6, #317 of 2021 🔗

If the case – the only announcement should be a loud raspberry followed by ‘Fuck right off’.

261267 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 50, #318 of 2021 🔗

I am unable to practise any religion properly.
I am barred from family life.
I am unable to access dental and medical services for which I have paid.
I cannot travel freely within my own country.

These restrictions have been imposed by diktat on the basis of bogus data. Winning a thumping majority and having the means to pass decrees does not legitimise government. This government has exceeded its powers: it is not legitimate. These ‘laws’ have no moral or rational authority.

261319 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bugle, 8, #319 of 2021 🔗

And I think of that “law” that was brought in a few months ago one day at about 9pm, details given at 11pm, and meant that people in some areas of the North who had people to stay for the night would have been breaking the law by the time they got up the next day. Madness! And who voted for any of this?

261344 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Hugh, 6, #320 of 2021 🔗

It’s not ‘the law’ by any sane definition.

Let’s get that out of the way.

261736 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Hugh, 4, #321 of 2021 🔗

I look back to the General Election – this was all there in plain sight. The Conservatives ran the worst election campaign in UK Parliamentary history. Johnson refused to do key interviews. He knew he was going to win the election and yes, I do believe it was rigged on a number of levels. The MSM’s vicious, malicious, vitriolic campaign against Corbyn was unprecedented in UK Parliamentary History and none of it true. My goodness the establishment had to work extremely hard to keep him out of office, they trotted out every trick in the book. The mass fake news, propaganda and vitriolic personal campaign against him was truly shocking. Johnson knew the establishment would ensure he got in with a huge majority so he didn’t have to do anything at all.

The establishment knew this was coming, it has all been planned, they didn’t want an independent thinker like Corbyn as PM who would consider things very carefully, seek appropriate advice and think things through and would challenge the establishment view when appropriate. So, he had to go an Comrade Dictator Keir Stalin was duly elected – a charlatan, fraud and deceitful liar just like Johnson is.

Whatever people on this site think about Corbyn at least he is a long standing, serious minded politician who believes in levelling up society, investing in jobs, affordable housing, affordable transport etc and yes, in people’s human rights and civil rights something he has fought for all his life. Much was made of him bringing in socialism, communism, going back to the ’70s etc. He would not have actually because he is passionate about defending human rights and liberties. So, the MSM, the BOD, the Security Services and others have landed us in the situation we are in now. Instead of which, we could have had a serious minded politician who has spent his life fighting injustice, defending human rights and challenging the establishment when necessary as a Prime Minister. What a carve up. I am going to go as far as to say he is the Best Prime Minister this country never had.

It was all there in plain sight during the GE. I could see this coming. The cost? Well, an attempt to descend into Totalitarianism, the most corrupt Government in UK Parliamentary History. If the British people could lift themselves out of their inertia and apakthy we would be storming the Houses of Parliament ousting the sitting MPs (except the good ones of course) and set up a People’s Parliament. We can do it. It’s whether we can mobilise enough of the population. Or we set up a People’s Parliament in any event in marquees outside the House of Commons!

261542 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bugle, 8, #322 of 2021 🔗

Added to which a worse than useless opposition party.

261714 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bugle, 11, #323 of 2021 🔗

Yep add to that, can’t play golf, the most socially distanced game in the world, cant go to the gym, can’t go out on a date, no schnu schnu, no cruises, no foreign holidays, no nights out down the pub, no having all your friends round for a meal. Someone remind me why I am living and who made doris and handjob our Dictatorship? What s mess

261272 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #324 of 2021 🔗

What happened to the theory that the CCP used a nasty new cold virus to suppress protesters in Hong Kong by imposing quarantines and masks, then, seeing how effective it was, trolled the rest of the world with it, leading to most western governments taking the bait and digging themselves into holes that only admitting criminal behaviour would get them out. Anyone?

261322 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #325 of 2021 🔗

Did we ever find out if that “novel coronavirus” originated in a lab in Wuhan (as our people believed from the start)?

261479 ▶▶ Michael C, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #327 of 2021 🔗

Not to be ruled out, but a lot more evidence will be needed before the theory can be proved and the Chinese will certainly not be helpful in providing that evidence!

262151 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #328 of 2021 🔗

Nobody took the bait, they all followed, and are still following, the plan.

261275 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 13, #329 of 2021 🔗

There is a certain irony in the Christmas situation. A lot of the key workers such as in healthcare care and other emergency services will be working over that period and instead of an alternative celebration either before or after Christmas they won’t be able to. I hated to 2 minute clapping.
I know because I’m working Christmas Eve and Boxing Day! Normally we arrange a family get together around my shifts, my son (a chef) and his fiancée (a nurse).

261452 ▶▶ steph, replying to p02099003, 1, #330 of 2021 🔗

Similar thing in our household in recent years. “Christmas” day on another day to fit in with people’s availability. Don’t expect government to think that one through though.

261276 Fingerache Philip., 30, #331 of 2021 🔗

Re: LD2 easing: Herd immunity is taking place as anybody with more than 1 brain cell knows.
Sceptics all over the world know and have always known that.
Then you have the liars and deniers, the delusional and the sheep, collaborators and maskateers; the latter will believe, lie, and accept that the draconian,ridiculous and pointless measures that were forced upon us, destroying countless lives needed to be carried out and ultimately were successful.
We on the other hand know and have always known the exact opposite.
Revenge will be a dish best eaten cold and time and history will vindicate us.

261279 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 74, #332 of 2021 🔗

Is it just me or is the latest bullsh@t even more depressing? Test regularly to get a certificate? What utter crap. What about the people not tied to a smart phone? Does my 79 year old mum get a certificate printed and hang it around her neck?
I hate our politicians beyond belief. Always vote Tory never ever again and the rest of my family is the same.
So depressing as it makes no difference what the media say, even when they do wake up and do anything critical of the fools in charge.
As for Xmas who in their right mind is going to listen to the government morons? We will do whatever we want, the lying cheating buffoon can have whatever rules he wants.
Sat on the train to work, I could work from home but I will not as I am sick of these clowns ruling the country like a tin pot communist state.
Hate them all so much.

261416 ▶▶ Hoppity, replying to John Ballard, 12, #333 of 2021 🔗

If my recent experiences at work are anything to go by, my guess is that those without ‘smart’phones will be in for a jolly hard time of it when it comes to achieving even the most basic of things, e.g. proving their existence. (Which has me thinking . . . if things get worse, I might just get rid of mine.)

261461 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Hoppity, 5, #334 of 2021 🔗

I “don’t have a smart phone” in the same way that I “don’t have a computer” when those helpful people from the sub continent call to tell me there is a problem they need to fix for me.

261508 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to John Ballard, 8, #335 of 2021 🔗

The best thing to do is get rid of the television.

261704 ▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #336 of 2021 🔗

Haven’t watched the news on TV since March, but you cannot completely ignore everything. I post on the mail website every day to try and get the message across, pointing out the stupidity – tend to get 10 to 1 positives which is my small win. I do everything I can that doesn’t fit the police states rules.

261713 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #337 of 2021 🔗

And stop buying newspapers. I am not a big TV watcher at all, 85% of the time I listen to the radio where there are brilliant dramas, comedies etc. I find my life is better for it alongside not doing social media of any kind. Living on my own the radio is the nearest thing to a private conversation you can have in your own home.

261917 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #338 of 2021 🔗

Yep. Best way to get rid of this virus.

Get rid of MSM and anti-Social media too.

262146 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Caroline Watson, #339 of 2021 🔗

Yes, this would be the critical difference for all those not yet sceptical.

261286 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #340 of 2021 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55040635 Oxford vaccine 70% effective at stopping people getting symptoms .

261301 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to p02099003, 1, #341 of 2021 🔗

Sky News are claiming 90%?

261304 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan, 1, #342 of 2021 🔗

70% after 1st dose, 90% after 2nd

261302 ▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 1, #343 of 2021 🔗

Probably a lot more realistic figures than the American/ German shit. All of them are pointless though.

261315 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to p02099003, 4, #344 of 2021 🔗

is this down from the 80% that normally don’t get symptoms?

261462 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to p02099003, 1, #345 of 2021 🔗

I thought normally that 80% of people don’t get symptoms. So is this 70% from the 20% ?

Confused – you will be !

261288 JudgeMental, replying to JudgeMental, 11, #346 of 2021 🔗
261311 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to JudgeMental, 7, #347 of 2021 🔗

A very good, well presented readable article. Terrifying but an informative good read.

261292 wendyk, 1, #348 of 2021 🔗

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/fear-by-the-lake

If anyone fancies a French take on contagion containment,this is worth watching. Look out for the biohazard protocols and see what you think.

261293 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 26, #349 of 2021 🔗

Nice of the update to catch up.This has been obvious for months.Johnson told us this when he announced moonshot.Elwood asked the same question in the house.Digital IDs for all.
Maybe in about 6 months Toby will realise that the destruction of the economy is deliberate;to bring about a digital currency and a zero carbon future in line with UN agenda 21-30 and WEF aims

261692 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #350 of 2021 🔗

I find it amazing that politicians are openly speaking about the Great Reset / New World Order and Time magazine had it on their front cover, yet the BBC and New York Times still get away with telling the public it is fake news / a conspiracy theory.

Why don’t journalists actually call out these organisations for misleading the public? Not sure if they are blind to the obvious facts or simply controlled opposition. Only James Delingpole and Sky News Australia seem to bring up the subject.

262105 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, 2, #351 of 2021 🔗

As others have said, contradictory/confusing messaging is part of the toolkit. People (in general) stop thinking if it gets too hard.

262350 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to JohnB, -1, #352 of 2021 🔗

Absolutely, and James Delingpole is someone who thrives on confusticating. I think of people like him as a tame Alex Jones from Info Wars, lapping up anti-government energy while directing people in the wrong direction, away from those those responsible. Yes Delingpole is talking a lot about The Great Reset, but typically, he’s sending his readers in circles chasing their tails. The result is his fans on Breitbart parroting all his misinformation.

My advice to anyone is to steer away from Breitbart.

261294 Cecil B, 7, #353 of 2021 🔗

The army is brought in to conduct medical experiments on the population in order to prove that the population deserve to be locked up

261295 wendyk, 1, #354 of 2021 🔗

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/23/latest-news-202/#comments

French drama which deals with contagion containment. If anyone fancies a break from Covid.

261296 TJN, replying to TJN, 49, #355 of 2021 🔗

A source told the Telegraph: “They [‘Freedom’ passes] will allow someone to wander down the streets, and if someone else asks why they are not wearing a mask, they can show the card, letter or an App.”

They can fuck off. Seriously, they can fuck off.

Edit : this has to be a wind-up, doesn’t it?

261300 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to TJN, 15, #356 of 2021 🔗

Not law yet,that you have to wear a mask in the street.Another thing that will be coming then

261395 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #357 of 2021 🔗

Another ‘law’ to ignore with pleasure.

262094 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #358 of 2021 🔗

They know (or at least suspect) it wouldn’t fly here. That’s why they haven’t mandated it.

261321 ▶▶ Mike, replying to TJN, 9, #359 of 2021 🔗

It can’t be a surprise surely? This has been talked about for months. Unfortunately they now how to play the masses like a fiddle…
Majority of people I know will jump at this idea. Even my place of work will jump on this as an option to get people back into work.
Opting out will mean social isolation and/or loss of employment. A gradual squeeze on our freedoms until we comply. Hook or by crook, they are aiming to get us all.

261397 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mike, 3, #360 of 2021 🔗

they are aiming to get us all

But they’re not going to.

261337 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to TJN, 24, #361 of 2021 🔗

You dont get given freedom, you take it.

“The truth is, one who seeks to achieve freedom by petitioning those in power to give it to him has already failed, regardless of the response.

To beg for the blessing of “authority” is to accept that the choice is the master’s alone to make, which means that the person is already, by definition, a slave.”

-Larken Rose

261402 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Buck Foris, 4, #362 of 2021 🔗

That’s a good quote.

But I’m not petitioning Liar Johnson or anyone. Neither, I can confidently say, are many people on this site. Anyone after my freedom is going to have to take it forcibly.

The sheeples are a different species.

261674 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Buck Foris, 2, #363 of 2021 🔗

I hadn’t come across the work of Larken Rose until a few months ago. Seems to be one of the few Americans who still understands real freedom.

262101 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, #364 of 2021 🔗

There are many. But you won’t find them on social media or in the msm.

261495 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TJN, 2, #365 of 2021 🔗

Say no the the Freedom pass

261303 Ben, replying to Ben, 89, #366 of 2021 🔗

If current events were truly about ‘health’ then the Government would ease restrictions, cancel lockdown, open the economy and the NHS and bombard mainstream media with advice to get enough exercise, to eat healthily, to get enough sleep, to supplement with vitamin D, and to maintain medical treatments

Further advice would be to maintain social activities – to see friends, family, colleagues, neighbours.. The local pub or cafe is an essential health promoting resource. I’ve seen elderly people’s health and mental health decline when the pubs were shut, then improve when they were reopened. The social network and the milk of human kindness they offer us is health promoting

New Normal is World War 3. The weapons are not bullets and bombs but fear, anxiety, confusion, loneliness and isolation. It is a war of cruelty and those complicit are guilty of crimes against humanity

261426 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Ben, 17, #367 of 2021 🔗

Excellent, nay, superb, post!

261928 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 11, #368 of 2021 🔗

Excellent point. Hence why during WW2, people were exhorted to carry on as normally as possible with everything open, Churchill and the government then realised that keeping up people’s morale was crucial to the war effort.

That’s why I’ve long ceased to believe that this was about the virus. If it was then the government would be serious about promoting what you said and even going further by incentivising retailers and businesses to offer discounts on fresh food, vitamin supplements, sports club & gym memberships and even organisations such as English Heritage, BTO, etc.

262361 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ben, 8, #369 of 2021 🔗

This is a brilliant summary of proper healthy living ..wow, totally opposite of the shower ruining our lives and health, well said…

261306 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 8, #370 of 2021 🔗

Another quote for Toby:

“Half of you may not be here in 30 or 40 years’ time, but I will be and I want to be free.”
-William Hague, Conservative Party conference, 1977

261411 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #371 of 2021 🔗

Hmm, not even half of that Hague survives.

261595 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #372 of 2021 🔗

The Original and Best “Tory Boy”.

261310 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 18, #373 of 2021 🔗

Things have moved so quickly from ‘3 weeks to flatten the curve’ to mass long term incarceration, ‘freedom passes’, compulsory vaccination. No cost-benefit analysis of the ruinous policies.

#gotothemattresses

261404 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 2, #374 of 2021 🔗

It’s scary. We are certainly on the fence it feels now. Could go either way. There is enough to inform people if they are willing. To show them its bullshit.

The thing is, they may have been able to avoid actually making an informed decision until now, be it they are retired or sheltered from the economic harms or have no family in care homes etc. But when the mandates or coercion comes, people will and they’ll see many others saying no. It’ll be so visual at that point are they willing to watch their own family be kept from going to the shop because they’ve said no to a freedom pass? Watch them be segregated? Are people so cruel?

261427 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #375 of 2021 🔗

I don’t think most are cruel, just blinkered. They won’t recognise coercion because they will be only too happy to volunteer and they will be totally mystified by the fact that others aren’t.

261530 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Charlie Blue, #376 of 2021 🔗

Most of them are profoundly uneducated.

261312 alw, replying to alw, 13, #377 of 2021 🔗

Skimming across the papers this morning can’t see anything will change much after Dec 2nd. Just more obstacles when we should be getting on with life. Having been out and about yesterday saw that there was so many more people out and about and very few wearing masks now. The public will decide.

261483 ▶▶ steph, replying to alw, 4, #378 of 2021 🔗

We live in tier 2 – thanks Essex CC for asking for that. Younger son works in a pub which doesn’t do food. It looks very much to me as if he still won’t be able to work after this Lockdown ends on Dec 2. His employer will probably go out of business very rapidly if he can’t open at all.

261741 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steph, 1, #379 of 2021 🔗

Yes we wrote a stinking letter to the Essex CC got back a bs letter with the presentation they had been given by a SAGE acolyte with death and pestilence and dogs and cats marrying. Replied to that asking for real science and not projections that have been proven wildly wrong at every step. Them get a letter from bas Mp Mark Francios asking them the same questions and a cost analysis of closure and a path out of tier 2. Then of course we locked down and did not get a reply back. Just shows you how piss poor our democracy really is.

261773 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Spikedee1, #380 of 2021 🔗

We wrote to ECC too. Chief Health honcho wrote back with what sounds like the same presentation you were sent. My husband replied picking all the obvious holes in the assumptions and has been tabulating the data since. Of course it is nowhere near the predictions. If we raise that they will just say the lockdown worked! They believe we are idiots who cannot read data. Certainly our MP is.

261316 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 22, #381 of 2021 🔗

Some of us are clearly feeling down about things this morning. Let us be encouraged:

“You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word. It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.”
Winston Churchill

261349 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Basileus, 8, #382 of 2021 🔗

But as this article describes (posted by Judge Mental), there is no enemy to fight, as such.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lockdown-is-part-of-the-grand-green-global-design/

Covid is just a catalyst hastening the imposition of a grand ‘design’ that was already drawn up. Even without Covid, we were on this path, anyway. And as younger people have been indoctrinated educated with this stuff for decades – and fully aware that the boomers had stolen their futures, anyway (as the propaganda goes), they’re not going to oppose it. As they will see it, anything has got to be better than the current situation.

“It is simply a river following the path of least resistance; it would require a grand conspiracy or enormous effort of human will and design to prevent such natural co-operation and co-ordinated action over these shared interests.”

The only surprise is the speed at which it is happening, and the total cooperation of all governments worldwide, whatever their supposed colours.

261407 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Basileus, #383 of 2021 🔗

But the current government could say that, with the subtext, ‘victory against the plebs and indefinite survival of the Totalitarian State’.

261325 alw, 8, #384 of 2021 🔗

Seen elsewhere, “The pub is at the core of British society, whereas in my view anyone who pays good money to visit a gymnasium has already savaged their mental health beyond the point of no return.”

261327 Buck Foris, replying to Buck Foris, 7, #385 of 2021 🔗

“Hostile state actors from China, Russia, Iran and North Korea are trying to seize proprietary information about the Covid vaccines in development, according to the Guardian”

Ahhhhahahahahahaha! I love the Tardian. Comedy gold every day.

261628 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Buck Foris, 3, #386 of 2021 🔗

Many supposedly educated and intelligent people I know still hang off its every word. You can predict their every opinion and response if you are up to date with what the Guardian is peddling. I remember once years ago expressing some doubt about the latest climate change hysteria, the angry reply was “thats not what it tells me in here” as he points to the Guardian paper on his table.

261662 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Buck Foris, 2, #387 of 2021 🔗

Yes, it’s always the same suspects in the fake news media.

If China was really such a threat why did the West send most of its industry and manufacturing to the country over the past few decades? Also this country has always been welcoming of shady Russian elite money.

261329 alw, replying to alw, 18, #388 of 2021 🔗

Some much needed humour seen elsewhere, “Did you not know that covid –19 is the most intelligent virus ever?
It has not only got a watch ,and a calender ,but also a tape measure , as if you stay 2 metres apart it will ignore you ,but if you step a little closer , it will grab you.
It keeps away from W H Smiths , supermarkets and all big companies , only visits independent small businesses .. Mc Donalds gets a free pass ,but it dislikes cafes, restaurants ,and pubs, and places of worship, It is very selective , but it has very graciously decided to have a rest over Xmas , so we may enjoy some time with family and friends ,then it will inform this government of it’s next plan of attack.”

262126 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to alw, #389 of 2021 🔗

How true. We are up against a dangerous enemy. Smarter than any Velociraptor.

261332 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 23, #390 of 2021 🔗

Are we really expected to believe that the fuckwits in charge or the superstars will be tested twice a week in order to travel. Crap.

It’s all further smoke and mirrors to keep up scared and timid and an excuse to keep us under house arrest, we need to use it to our advantage and keep spreading the message that the PCR tests and the media maggots are keeping us locked away and are the virus. Ditch the masks and do not get tested.

The governor of California has been caught jollying it up with his cronies in a Nappa valley restaurant. They know it’s bollocks and they know we know it is.

261356 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to stefarm, 11, #391 of 2021 🔗

Cummings knew it and so did Ferguson.

262369 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to stefarm, #392 of 2021 🔗

While they were troughing and glugging $ 1;000 bottles of wine they arrested some poor sod for dangerous paddleboarding!

262986 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #393 of 2021 🔗

He also went to Maui a few days ago. Mai Tais for everybody. I wonder if he’ll self isolate on his return?

261334 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 21, #394 of 2021 🔗

I can’t be the only one who foresees the problems with the ‘freedom pass’? If we are to believe that the lockdowns have had a ‘catastrophic’ effect on the entertainment/leisure sectors WHY on earth would they do anything (check/bar/police) to support a system that will effectively block a significant number of people from visiting? The idea is a conspiracy theorists wet dream, if the Government is idiotic enough (hmmm) to introduce it they deserve everything that comes their way.

261339 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mike Collins, 12, #395 of 2021 🔗

I believe that the majority will be queuing up for their freedom passes. People will give up everything for an illusion of safety. And leisure will go along with it because it is better for them than having business suspended entirely at regular intervals.

261384 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #396 of 2021 🔗

They’ll also not want to stand apart from their masters. To say no would probably be the first time in their lives they’ve had to do anything other than go with the herd.

261700 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #397 of 2021 🔗

I’m not so pessimistic Charlie. They aren’t queuing up at the Testing Stations. There will be court cases again.

261490 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mike Collins, 7, #398 of 2021 🔗

No to the Freedom pass.
This virus is not a threat
Life must go back to normal

261493 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mike Collins, 4, #399 of 2021 🔗

Freedom Pass is the 1st step to the HEALTHID – say no to both

261958 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mike Collins, #400 of 2021 🔗

The idea is a conspiracy theorists wet dream, …

Not sure you’ve got this the right way round, Mike. We CTs are not normally in favour of things the bad guys promulgate.

261336 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #401 of 2021 🔗

Well – I guess if this sort of shit isn’t just one big massive troll, the only thing to say is that anyone who accedes to it deserves to be dead – and is, in effect, committing suicide.

261340 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to RickH, 5, #402 of 2021 🔗

Live free or die.

261345 ▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 3, #403 of 2021 🔗

Nothing I can do about accepting the disgraceful laws on pubs. Is Labour going to support the government to get these restrictions through? It looks like it.

261350 ▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Will, 5, #404 of 2021 🔗

At least the illusion of choice of the two-party scam is finally exposed. Welcome the Overton window.

262997 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Will, #405 of 2021 🔗

The Labour Party no longer represents working people. They should change their name. We should demand that they do so. They are a disgrace.

261357 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 14, #406 of 2021 🔗

Go out – Stay out

Bollocks to Grandma.

261368 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Eddy, 17, #407 of 2021 🔗

Granny didn’t stay in in 1968 when Hong Kong flu was raging all around.

261387 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to OKUK, 9, #408 of 2021 🔗

Indeed we didn’t and lived life to the full. Carnaby St, Beatles, Rolling Stones. People have lost the art of living.

261436 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to OKUK, 10, #409 of 2021 🔗

I am surprised no-one has got upset that grandad never gets a mention.

263005 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddy, #410 of 2021 🔗

Come on, be nice to Granny. Take her outside with you.

261362 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 7, #411 of 2021 🔗

About Boris’s testing plans from a high ranking medical scientist yesterday, who has worked both for pharma and in the hospital system in Europe:

“Twice a week! They will never get enough tests kits and reactive and this will lead to a disruption of reagent for other critical microbiological and genetic testing in Europe. This is a nonsense! What a lack of global thoughts”

261451 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to John Stone, 1, #412 of 2021 🔗

It’s one reason why the flu magically disappeared. They didn’t have the resources to test for it.

261607 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to John Stone, 3, #413 of 2021 🔗

Of course it is intended to be nonsense – making people go along with nonsense is a necessary part of their conditioning. It is intended to pull resources away from actual medical care. Clearly plenty of global thought has gone into this how else do you get so many nations and people working in lockstep towards their own destruction.

261667 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Saved To Death, #414 of 2021 🔗

Yes, I think so – why did Whitty, Vallance, Van-Tam not advise this was not an option? Because actually it doesn’t matter if everything they do and say is random and crackers, (that is providing everyone doesn’t go back to work).

261772 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Saved To Death, #415 of 2021 🔗

You have to think of Whitty, Vallance, Van-Tam etc as the swindlers making invisible attire for King Boris. Of course, first of all he has to be taken in, then everyone has to be taken in, except it is all there to be seen – unfortunately – if you can only keep a mental grip. Thank you Hans Andersen!

263012 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John Stone, #416 of 2021 🔗

Boris is nuts.

261364 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #417 of 2021 🔗

It doesn’t say how much alcohol with a substantial meal. So a group of 20 people could presumably buy one substantial meal plus 20 pints?

261370 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #418 of 2021 🔗

You can go for those massive sharing platters the likes of Weatherspoons’ pubs and TGI Friday’s offer I suspect. They can be substantial – I remember sharing one with my husband and father-in-law and it left us very full.

261377 ▶▶ alw, replying to Jakehadlee, 4, #419 of 2021 🔗

There are massive loopholes in all the new bullsh1t coming from government. They take the public for fools which we aren’t.

261388 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to alw, 5, #420 of 2021 🔗

Too many wear muzzles when they neither want or need to. Anybody can claim exemption in the current legislation.

262375 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to nottingham69, #421 of 2021 🔗

This is true ,but still this puzzles so called intelligent people.

261391 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to alw, #422 of 2021 🔗

Well, WE may not be, but most are.

#Homo Non Sapiens

261430 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to alw, 4, #423 of 2021 🔗

I was wondering about having piles of used plates permanently on the tables in case anyone comes snooping. No need for actual food.

261432 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Jakehadlee, 6, #424 of 2021 🔗

‘Substantial’ is completely subjective, depending on your appetite, body size, normal dietary intake. Some halloumi and grilled peppers will have me stuffed, which may be considered a starter for some, unless I have been out all day walking then I’ll go for stew and dumplings, but who defines substantial. Was it not Lord Sumption that stated something that laws are not laws if subjective and open to interpretation – which makes sense, and would make hate crimes illegal ( that was just an after thought). We really need some legal beagles to start offering overt legal advice so people can defend their rights with convinction. If I was a pub owner, it would be well worth an hour of legal fees to find out the legal angle, or a group of publicans club together for a meeting with a top legal adviser.

261366 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 28, #425 of 2021 🔗

If the lockdowns all but in name coming in December don’t wake up the hospitality industry then really they deserve what they will get in terms of their businesses going bust. Ditto shops, cinemas, museums among others.

One has to cheer for that bookshop and tea room oenwe who has been fighting to keep her business open. Shame on the large chains who have been cowardly and kowtowing to the government’s insane demands.

The time is now for the fight back. They should all open up with no restrictions – no masks, no social distancing, no sanitisers, no one way systems, no pre-booking, no test & trace. If they’re fined and threatened with closure refuse to pay and cry foul. Demand that it goes to court.

The police and courts won’t know what to do when they’re flooded with these demands. The state has got us into this mess, let’s see how they try to get out of this.

261380 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #426 of 2021 🔗

According to the post above today they’ve 25% of pub trade tied up in Christmas.

If they just go to the wall without a even a squeak that will really be a big sign that too many are not awake to the situation. Even when they are being impoverished, these people, who are intelligent and headstrong enough to run their own business, won’t raise a sceptical lens to the reasons being provided by their government. It doesn’t take much to see it doesn’t stack up.

261482 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #427 of 2021 🔗

Well said. Plus I think loads of businesses are afraid of being accused of putting profit above people. Sceptics in business like Luke Johnson and Rocco Forte are constantly tarred with that brush.

However this to me shows that they lack lack the grumption to stand up for their business and employees. If I was working for say M&S or John Lewis I would rather they open up with no restrictions than to carry on with this nonsense then go bust leaving me and my colleagues redundant and having to go on the dole.

261680 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #428 of 2021 🔗

The big pub chains, Wetherspoons, Green King etc have spent millions on making their places “Covid Safe”, serve meals and most of their outlets will survive. The individual local pub is likely to be most at risk.

261527 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #429 of 2021 🔗

There is a judicial review in the offing. A letter before action has been sent.

263024 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #430 of 2021 🔗

The time to push back is now. Civil Disobedience by any means necessary.

261367 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 11, #431 of 2021 🔗

Is unbelievable. You’d wonder if it was staged.

Given the country’s history you’d think the police would be very chary, to say the least, at acting like this.

261369 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #432 of 2021 🔗

Yep, sickened when I watched that.

261862 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Adamb, #433 of 2021 🔗

Replying to those who have replied above. I wonder if the cops had made some sort of mistake and they thought they were arresting a terroist cell. On reflection they look like chumps – especially wearing face masks – forsooth!

261453 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ned of the Hills, #434 of 2021 🔗

Saw this last week and there was a suggestion that it wasn’t real, but a play or something but done to initimidate. Then someone said it is real, but the doctor was not the person they were after (I think). It looked like it to me though – he was the one they were putting on the floor. Whichever way you look at it tbh – it just makes it look like Germany has reverted to the 1930’s. The protesters are out in good numbers there though – always do with a few thousand more.

261739 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #435 of 2021 🔗

I was very disappointed to see this mentioned in the news round up.
I am German and can understand what is said by the “police”. all they say, is “get on the floor” and “what is your name”.
Later on in the video they seem to be in a different room, but one can still understand that they ask about 6 times “what is your name”. By now they would be stating reasons for the intrusion and talk at a level which would not be heard in another room so clearly.

261372 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #436 of 2021 🔗

Re. the Brighton mural.

Has our culture and knowledge of history sunk so low that there people who don’t know the difference twixt a V sign and a Victory sign?

No wonder we have a nation happy to go round wearing masks.

261409 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #437 of 2021 🔗

Churchill occasionally forgot and did the symbol the wrong way round.

261939 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrew Fish, #438 of 2021 🔗

Allegedly he did this on purpose. 🙂

261374 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 5, #439 of 2021 🔗

Remember your iPhone is a surveillance tool.

261376 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bugle, 16, #440 of 2021 🔗

Mine isn’t, because it doesn’t exist

261561 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, #441 of 2021 🔗

Neither does mine – for a reason.

261375 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 15, #442 of 2021 🔗

Is the formation of Farage’s anti-lockdown Reform Party being deliberately held back by the Electoral Commission. It’s a simple name change. Why the delay?

261392 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to OKUK, 3, #443 of 2021 🔗

I suspect they will do very well next year !

261408 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nickbowes, 9, #444 of 2021 🔗

Got my vote.

261438 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #445 of 2021 🔗

We really need a merger of Reform, Reclaim, Heritage, and perhaps even the SDP (who seem socially conservative, confusingly).

261379 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 7, #446 of 2021 🔗

Yesterday i had a boxset (dvd, remember them ?) nostalgia binge on the great bbc comedy series “Early Doors”, was it really only twenty years ago that this portrayal of back street pubs (Stockport), ciggies at the bar allowed if not openly encouraged, naughty some would say saucy humour, lazy but likeable plod hit the airways. Anyway, i digress, they were the days !

261393 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to nickbowes, 2, #447 of 2021 🔗

Round about the same time, I also used to enjoy The Smoking Room .

263036 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, #448 of 2021 🔗

Thanks. I just downloaded Series 1 of both programs.

261552 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to nickbowes, 1, #449 of 2021 🔗

Great series, very underrated

261385 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 16, #450 of 2021 🔗

IDS to take over from Johnson?

261390 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to nottingham69, 8, #451 of 2021 🔗

Works for me

261448 ▶▶▶ Michael C, replying to Cecil B, 2, #452 of 2021 🔗

I’ve thought this for sometime but his earlier ineffective run as Conservative leader may be a problem as far as the ‘people’ are concerned.

261610 ▶▶ steph, replying to nottingham69, 1, #453 of 2021 🔗

I’ve said before that either he or Redwood would be ideal caretakers. Just to get us over this mess and Brexit. They are both true Conservatives so I hope they would call a general election in Spring after splitting the party.
Some days my optimism knows no bounds.

261669 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to steph, 1, #454 of 2021 🔗

I hate to keep bringing this to people’s attention,but it doesn’t matter who is in no 10 . Redwood or another may try to soften the events but the country ,like all others is now mandated to follow their IPPP as per the International Health Regulations . This will not end until the WHO declares the “ pandemic” is over, and that isn’t going to happen until some key objectives have been reached.
There may not be elections for some considerable time.

261936 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to nottingham69, 1, #455 of 2021 🔗

His welfare “reform” policies killed over 100,000 people so no thank you.

261389 Cecil B, 29, #456 of 2021 🔗

Shops, pubs etc can refuse entry to anyone they like

What if from 2nd December they required that you had to prove that you were not a police officer, MP, or employed by a Local Authority before they allowed you entry.

I’d go along with that

261394 CGL, replying to CGL, 22, #457 of 2021 🔗

I posted a link to the Swiss Policy Research mask video earlier on FB to help someone argue something about masks. I got a fact check warning pretty quickly afterwards, so I’ve just submitted this report:-
file:///media/fuse/drivefs-d20204c81a364b7dcae7d71000f1c7ef/root/Facebook%20factcheck%20report.pdf

“False information from yourselves – your fact-checkers are not independent – they are all funded by the same organisations as yourselves – you are checking your own facts – no-one can trust you.”

261406 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to CGL, 4, #458 of 2021 🔗

I’ve been suspended from Twitter for my impolite tweet to DHSC. Can’t be arsed with it any more, so I guess that’s the end of my tweeting!!

261417 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #459 of 2021 🔗

Oh well – nevermind eh!
If I get chucked off, it will be something to be proud of I feel.

261519 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #460 of 2021 🔗

Best thing.

261578 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Nick Rose, #461 of 2021 🔗
263045 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #462 of 2021 🔗

Start a new version of Twitter. The anti-Twitter.

261691 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #464 of 2021 🔗

Hell, we need to get that going here!

261396 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 23, #465 of 2021 🔗

I suspect the nonsense about the “freedom pass” is to encourage

a) People to demand the vaccine and

b) Demand it is made mandatory for those who refuse it.

Looks and smells like a classic nudge to me.

261401 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #466 of 2021 🔗

I think more the vaccine exists to help further the ‘freedom pass’ then the reverse. The ‘freedom pass’ is the central part of the new control grid and eventually health status will just be one category of information that determines when the state will violate your liberty.

261403 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Saved To Death, 18, #467 of 2021 🔗

Control grid? They cant even control a smartphone app. Let’s keep it real. Because the government has floated off to la-la land, it doesn’t mean we have to as well.

261415 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #468 of 2021 🔗

The people are looking pretty well controlled to me so far. Making 60+ million people not just participate in but beg and cheer for the elimination of their own liberty and prosperity is quite an impressive feat. Myself I cant see how they will fail at this point. If ‘keep it real’ means ignoring the unfolding reality then I will give that a miss thanks.

261425 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Saved To Death, 7, #469 of 2021 🔗

I’m far from convinced the people are half as controlled as you think. It’s getting them to realise they’ve been scammed on coronavirus that’s the hard part. More and more are waking up though.

Suit yourself if you believe this is an “unfolding reality”. I guess it appeals to the lockdown sceptic hysteria wing; personally I prefer actuality to newspaper reports and BS from people like Hunt.

261443 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #470 of 2021 🔗

I am not sure how much more actual you need this tyranny to get. I would have thought the hard part of implementing a social credit score system would have been getting the people to surrender their liberty. Turns out that’s the easy part. Its done now and there is no going back.

261488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #471 of 2021 🔗

You try extending the surrendered liberty beyond the emergency and see what happens. Perhaps my faith in people is misplaced, but there are enough who care about liberty in all the right places.

261525 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #472 of 2021 🔗

What emergency ?

261719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #473 of 2021 🔗

Many if not most of those you say have surrendered their liberty believe it’s an emergency. This is why they are co-operating. As soon as they stop believing that, they’ll be wanting their liberty back. And there will be trouble if they don’t have it returned.

261514 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #474 of 2021 🔗

Think the pro. Zealots are low in number actually. I think the problem is apathy.

261566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo Dominich, #475 of 2021 🔗

Yes, most have to be prodded into action. Inertia as well as apathy.

261541 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Saved To Death, #476 of 2021 🔗

I think you’re right.

261412 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #477 of 2021 🔗

Enough to get them off the hook, even if none of the ‘passes’ etc materialise, or only for international travel

261437 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #478 of 2021 🔗

The freedom pass idea strikes me as odd. Pretend as they might, there is no technology that supports such an programme. It would have to be based on “honesty” What would stop anyone lying that the test was negative – not that they would I am sure – but unless the swab is done under controlled supervision it’s not feasible and they won’t be doing that while they are pumping vaccines out. And least we forget the cost of tests and the false positives problem should render the idea mute before it’s passed.

The travel certificate, well it’s nothing new, it’s been done for Yellow Fever vaccination for many years. I don’t agree with it at all. But it is what it is. But do we seriously think that the certificate will be applied in reverse ? I don’t. We can’t even check the people on the Dingy’s passports so how we going to be checking anyone’s vaccinations history ? It’s only applicable to those who will pay for it. That’s the reality. Personally I think the “nudge nudge” principle is behind this.

261470 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Leemc23, 1, #479 of 2021 🔗

Various companies have been working on the tech for this for many months and liaising with Govt in many countries. There was one in Ireland. Does anyone recall the name?

261588 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Leemc23, 3, #480 of 2021 🔗

I agree. Just on the cost, it’s unsustainable.

261686 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #481 of 2021 🔗

£100 billion on test and trace would have seemed unsustainable a year ago.

261723 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stevie, 2, #482 of 2021 🔗

The more £100 billions they chuck about, the chance of the next £100 billion fades. There is a limit and they are probably very, very close to it right now.

261489 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #483 of 2021 🔗

The Covi-pass is well underway and is real . It’s been developed by VST enterprises , supported through finance etc from guess who and fast track by our very fine UK govt. See also ONFIDO – on fido , “here boy ! “ these people are totally serious, totally committed and completely in control.

The vaccine and the covid pass are two different agendas but are being used together to effect the desired changes.

The pass is the fore running to the digital ID , see ID 2020 , eventually that’s hoped to be implanted – see darpa .

The vaccine is to soften people up to accept wholesale internal interventions from the state with total compliance. The objectives are huge in scope and once the initial reluctance has been breeched the state/nwo will be able to inject change on an individual basis.
research nanoparticules, injectable tech , gene altering enhancement etc etc . Only when peoples backs are against the wall will the public mood change ,that’s way so much free money etc is being sloshed around. The revolt won’t happen until people really start to break, is that happens at all.

261591 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bill Grates, #484 of 2021 🔗

This isn’t what’s talked about. This is a pass based on two negative tests a week. It’s the testing that’s the problem. Yes, I’ve seen Covi-Pass. Plenty of folk out there willing to sell their product. But does it work in practice? Any trials involving millions of people?

This is a newspaper report, originally from the Times. Be suspicious of it. If you want to believe it to be true, be even more suspicious of it.

261650 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #485 of 2021 🔗

The covid pass has been long in the design etc . Never seen the Times report .
Yes one will have to have at test regularly to get one, that’s where the two objectives dovetail
1, people get fed up with having to be tested and eventually get the jab.
2, the people in the first cohorts of vaccination ie where they need it for “essential service” jobs etc will automatically get the covid pass .

So the vaccine objective is reached , then eventually the covid pass can be exchanged for injected tech , it will be sold as so much more convenient and can be tied to all manor of other things .

I’m no expert on tech stuff but if you follow developments it the biotech sector it is unbelievable and terrifying what is now possible.

There are infinite advantages for govts to all this .

261733 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #486 of 2021 🔗

What is possible yes. This does not mean it will come to pass. Anything permanent will need full scrutiny; anything passed or implemented under the CV-Act dies with that Act. It’s not as simple and straightforward as so many seem to believe.

All these concerns have been aired by – guess who? – Klaus Schwab in his book, “Covid-19: The Great Reset.” Wasn’t expecting that myself, until I read it in the book.

261399 Charlie Blue, 9, #487 of 2021 🔗

I found Steve Baker quite encouraging on JHB this morning. Let’s see if the CRG actually follow through.

261400 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #488 of 2021 🔗

hancock Today Programme.
‘Numbers of cases are coming down in Liverpool (because lockdown 2 FFS) faster than I could have hoped.
Now we need to set up mass testing in other Tier Three areas to get cases falling there as well’ (FFS 2).

261413 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to karenovirus, 10, #489 of 2021 🔗

It is worrying that he can speak such utter BS knowing full well that a large proportion of the British population will actually believe him.

261496 ▶▶ Roadrash, replying to karenovirus, 4, #490 of 2021 🔗

And we know the numbers of positives ( I will not call them cases) were falling before Tier 3 was imposed. I assume no one on the Today programme challenged him on that fact. Sigh

261521 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to karenovirus, 5, #491 of 2021 🔗

I don’t understand his logic there, he knows the testing is bollocks, so how does mass testing bring the “cases” down?

261528 ▶▶ steph, replying to karenovirus, 5, #492 of 2021 🔗

Aside from all that we know about false positives and the fact that genuine cases are proven to have been falling before any of the “measures” is the psychopathic Secretary of State actually suggesting that testing of its own has had some magic effect in reducing cases?
We really have gone through the looking glass. I don’t expect our esteemed Radio 4 journalists to have actually asked any hard questions?

261582 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steph, 1, #493 of 2021 🔗

Its what he said!

261784 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steph, 1, #494 of 2021 🔗

Sorry Steph pressed dislike as my fingers are too stubby. Wouldn’t it be nice, just once to see handjob being asked proper questions like, where is your evidence (other than testing) of a pandemic. The figures for death and hospitalisations are normal for this time of year. And what are you doing to reduce the number of deaths in peoples homes? And what are you doing to reduce the backlog in appointments for mammograms, cancer screening, heart disease. I so want to punch this smug faker right in his smug face

263055 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #495 of 2021 🔗

A fist punching his face forever.

261603 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #496 of 2021 🔗

The Today Programme incorporates Hancock’s Quarter Hour almost daily.

261405 Chloe, 23, #497 of 2021 🔗

One positive thing to come out of all of this is that a few non-sceptic people in my family and friends are starting to wonder what the hell is going on… I’ve had a few productive conversations this morning about this so called ‘freedom pass’ and arbitrary rules of the new tiered system. I recommend all of you use this opportunity to start sowing seeds of doubt into pro-lockdowners. Hard to argue that something sinister is going on with all of this in the press…

261420 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 14, #498 of 2021 🔗

Smart cars, smart vaccines, smart science, smart education, smart meters, smart phones, smart roads, smart cities, smart i,d cards..

“smart” polling stations.

the opposite of smart.

this pushed by a supposedly Conservative Government – they will not be able to hide from the majority forever unless they are soon to be legging it to Denver International Airport.

261492 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to nickbowes, 11, #499 of 2021 🔗

https://www.ageofautism.com/2018/12/smart-power-reasons-for-disaffection-in-italy-and-the-destruction-of-the-post-war-liberal-order.html

Everything “smart” is asinine. Part of it is overestimation of the technology, part of it is the overestimation by the technocrat of their own intelligence and insight. And part of it is because they are just mountebanks anyway.

261875 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John Stone, 1, #500 of 2021 🔗

Agree with all the above – but ‘smart’ started life as

  • Specific
  • Measurable
  • Attainable
  • Realistic
  • Timely

As a verb, of course, it means to give pain. 🙂

263058 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to nickbowes, #501 of 2021 🔗

Smart Assholes.

261429 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 12, #502 of 2021 🔗

Covidmongers need to spin out their fake pandemic and deceptive buffoonery to the crack of doom to stay out of prison.

261435 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Stuart, 4, #503 of 2021 🔗

Covidmongers.
I like it,Stuart.

261433 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #504 of 2021 🔗

On the fringe of the West Midlands there is a BLOODY big area called the Clent hills (local sceptics will know it well) where you you could lose the population of a small town; you know what’s coming next, don’t you?.
YES: Local police have advised people to stay away from the hills because of lack of SD, etc; meanwhile at my son’s place of work ( well known discount stores) yesterday, he said it was busier than a normal Christmas.
LD 2:” I DON’T THINK SO!!!!

261441 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #505 of 2021 🔗

On the fringe of the West Midlands is a BLOODY big area where the pubs are open…it’s Wales

261447 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 2, #506 of 2021 🔗

And only 35 miles from me!!

261503 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #507 of 2021 🔗

My husband is a path warden in the Clent Hills. The only place that is crowded is the café. The majority of visitors don’t get much further than the car park and café! You can stroll for 10 minutes and be totally alone.

261515 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mutineer, 1, #508 of 2021 🔗

Like Kinver edge, minus the cafe.

262283 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., #509 of 2021 🔗

In Clent they’ll walk the extra mile just to avoid paying to park!

261442 Arnie, 29, #510 of 2021 🔗

Went out for Sunday dinner yesterday at a friends house. There were 13 kids there and god knows how many adults including at least three lots of grandparents. Lots of coming & going.

Where I live is quite rural & the police seem to be staying at the station checking ‘dangerous’ tweets or something so I don’t think we were in great danger of a SWAT team raid.

261444 Chloe, 2, #511 of 2021 🔗

Just to really add to the dystopian horror, here is an interesting video posted on Reddit from Nice, France, of loudspeakers broadcasting the mask mandate 24 hours a day…

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/jz30a5/the_loudspeakers_outside_my_bedroom_broadcast_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

261449 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #512 of 2021 🔗

Copied from the article above. Great! Maybe a poster?

No consent to covid-pass.
No consent to mass testing.
No consent to mandatory vaccination.
No consent to Big Pharma given a free pass on financial responsibility for dangerous vaccines.
No consent to fascistic policing.
No consent to petty fines.
No consent to their divide and rule of people with woke policies.
No consent to draconian regulations or Acts of Parliament.
No consent to rule by dictat

261459 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Victoria, 7, #513 of 2021 🔗

Thats OK they were not intending to get your consent anyway.

261450 kf99, replying to kf99, 12, #514 of 2021 🔗

A source told the Telegraph: “They will allow someone to wander down the streets, and if someone else asks why they are not wearing a mask, they can show the card, letter or an App.”

From today’s update above. What an odd example to give. So compulsory masks in the street on the way, then.

261456 ▶▶ IanE, replying to kf99, 2, #515 of 2021 🔗

Of course one could just get an exemption card!

261466 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to IanE, 3, #516 of 2021 🔗

for now

261457 DRW, replying to DRW, 10, #517 of 2021 🔗

If they actually get as far as health “freedom” passes with de facto mandatory snake oil it will be over for me, we will have lost.

261502 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DRW, 13, #518 of 2021 🔗

DRW the logistics of this are seriosly prohibitive. There will be court cases no doubt.

261537 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #519 of 2021 🔗

None so far have got anywhere.

261675 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DRW, 3, #520 of 2021 🔗

There are numerous in progress. The Court cases will only be issued if it becomes a reality. They are way off that at the moment.

261458 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 6, #521 of 2021 🔗

What else can be done now to stop the new restrictions being passed in Parliament?

As things stand the proposals that will be officially announced today will pass through Parliament with only a limited amount of opposition i.e. from the 70 Conservative MPs who are members of the Covid Recovery Group.

Much of the discussion on here demonstrates the huge concern that we have about the impact of the restrictions and the increasing infringement of our civil liberties.

This concern is all well and good but will achieve nothing, other than venting our spleens, unless it carries enough support to influence the debate that will take place over the next few days.

I suggested earlier today that people contact their MPs if they are not already members of the CRG.

Surely there are many other ways that our concerns can be aired to help generate more significant opposition.

Let’s identify some ideas and find ways of taking them forward.

261465 ▶▶ chaos, replying to SilentP, 6, #522 of 2021 🔗

Will there be a vote on the tiers? 70 isn’t limited opposition, it is enough to weaken the PM. Any vote with such a number against and/or requiring opposition votes usually precipitates a vote of no confidence.

261476 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to chaos, 2, #523 of 2021 🔗

I hope so.

One of my main concerns is that the debate will focus purely on the cost/benefit analysis of lockdowns. There may be far too little focus on the benefits – something that the government continues to overstate. There are official figures that demonstrate that the plateauing and drop off was happening before the restrictions came in and this needs to be shouted from the hilltops
(edit – or indeed the rooftops!)

261590 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to SilentP, 3, #524 of 2021 🔗

The PCR test, appears to me to be the main argument to bring this house of cards down. If, as the Portuguese court case revealed, above 35 cycles has a 3% reliability, and we are using above those cycles, then the majority of ‘cases’ do not actually exist. As the tier system, restrictions are heavily based on cases, can these MPs not include this as an argument, that is lockdown, devastation of businesses and our society are now based on one massive fraud.

261672 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to SilentP, 3, #525 of 2021 🔗

The Labour Party is the biggest problem here all this ‘save the NHS’ BS. At the expense of the economy, mass unemployment and massive borrowing? What a bunch of jerks. I have voted Labour all my life but under Comrade Dictator Keir Stalin will never do so again. In fact, I won’t vote for any of the three main parties ever again. I’m hoping Laurence Fox can get Reclaim off the ground and an alliance with the SDP going. Not interested in Farage’s Party as it’s purely single issue.

261792 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jo Dominich -, #526 of 2021 🔗

Yep I no longer have a vote. Will never vote for any of the main parties again. Raving loony party?

261543 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, #527 of 2021 🔗

Probably just the usual rubberstamping ceremony.

261485 ▶▶ Roadrash, replying to SilentP, 4, #528 of 2021 🔗

Written to mine 3 times. No response on to any of the emails. Rock solid labour seat so she clearly could give a shit. Whenever there is an election she will get in again with a big majority. I guess most voters don’t realise how little she does for her 80k a year.

261532 ▶▶ JoanneW57, replying to SilentP, 2, #529 of 2021 🔗

Is there a list somewhere of CRG members?

261460 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #530 of 2021 🔗

Just Kafka…

Julia B fighting the lockdown battle but, like Toby, never mentions the Great Reset.. and also dismissing any notion that the US election was rigged..

Round and round in circles we continue to go.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lockdown-is-part-of-the-grand-green-global-design/

261522 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chaos, 5, #531 of 2021 🔗

I put £30 on Trump to win last night @ 25-1. The theory going around is that the Circuit Courts have assigned Republican judges to the swing states if it gets that far, and nobody wants it to as it would be civil war. For these guys to wave through Biden would be unlikely, and would be enraging to the Reps, but to also announce Trump would enflame the left. Violence would be guaranteed beyond anything 2020 has seen so far.

And so they want it done and dusted in the district courts. They’ll basically have to uphold the law as clearly as possible or else its going postal. Biden will have to suck it up and everything will be in the open.

261546 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #532 of 2021 🔗

Where did you get 25/1?

261557 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 1, #533 of 2021 🔗

Betfair Exchange

262602 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #534 of 2021 🔗

violence is likely but people frequently forget that nobody has taken our guns away. And there are many in this country (US, obviously). The founding fathers knew why the second amendment was so important.

263067 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #535 of 2021 🔗

Then it’s off to prison for Sleepy Joe and his pedophile son, Hunter.

261468 Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 3, #536 of 2021 🔗

Any chance someone on here owns a printing company and would print me 1000s of anti-lockdown stickers?

261676 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Suburbian, #537 of 2021 🔗

Mabel Cow recommends this service: https://www.redbubble.com/shop/uk

261471 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 131, #538 of 2021 🔗

Part 2 of my raid on the local parks.

Last week I went to our local playpark & removed all the tape & signage closing the place down. The next day the place was packed with parents & kids.

I’ve been past several times since & it’s still going strong! Yaay, result!

Since then I’ve ‘acquired’ a local council hi-viz vest. Ahem.

So now I’ve spread my net further afield. I went to our nearby town at the weekend, clipboard in hand, scissors in my pocket. Spent the morning brazenly cutting tape & posters down acting as if in an official capacity.

Three more playparks open.

I’ll be doing a few more over the coming days…

Trying to think what else I can be getting up to… Thoughts please…

261484 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Arnie, 28, #539 of 2021 🔗

Warrior!

261504 ▶▶ steph, replying to Arnie, 15, #540 of 2021 🔗

Brilliant!

261510 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Arnie, 22, #541 of 2021 🔗

If there was a way to remove ‘No Mask, No Entry’ signs from shops and businesses that would be a huge win.

Brilliant work, keep it up.

261533 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Sarigan, 17, #542 of 2021 🔗

Or get some “No Customer” stickers in the same font, go round after closing time and affix them to the outside of the glass.

261511 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Arnie, 9, #543 of 2021 🔗

Instruct people to remove their masks?

261512 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Arnie, 10, #544 of 2021 🔗

RESPECT!!

261587 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Arnie, 10, #545 of 2021 🔗

Good work!

I felt sorry for one of our local councils because naughty people keep destroying their signs, so I thought I’d make them some new ones.

I made a few changes though:

  1. All of their idiotic rules have been replaced with the preamble for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
  2. The lions in the council’s logo are now wearing masks
  3. The words “USE OF THIS PLAY AREA IS AT THE USER’S OWN RISK” is now in big red letters.

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261622 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Arnie, 11, #546 of 2021 🔗

A high-viz jacket is a great idea – they say you can do anything and go anywhere with a high-viz and clipboard…

261627 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Arnie, 6, #547 of 2021 🔗

WOW bloody fantastic. Well done.

261661 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Arnie, 6, #548 of 2021 🔗

You are a star!

261708 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Arnie, 9, #549 of 2021 🔗

I wish I could invite you to my university campus. It is bedecked with mad signage like a plague hospital in a futuristic horror film. I’ve taken down the signs in the immediate vicinity of my office, but lack courage to denude the sites under CCTV surveillance.

261802 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Alethea, 6, #550 of 2021 🔗

Get a full face mask. No one will recognise you

261724 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Arnie, 2, #551 of 2021 🔗

Well done Arnie! Keep up the good work!

261830 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Arnie, 2, #552 of 2021 🔗

Exemplary !

262517 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to Arnie, 1, #553 of 2021 🔗

Ooh I love it! I’m going to do the same. I have a hi-vis jacket already! Inspiring! I previously kicked over signs saying ‘do not swim here’ by our river (where you are perfectly at liberty to swim). They marred an otherwise beautiful setting. A drug dealer had drowned in the river a couple of years earlier, hiding from the police, so I guess it was ‘Elf & safety’

262593 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Arnie, #554 of 2021 🔗

the world needs more folks like you. You deserve a medal!!

263071 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Arnie, #555 of 2021 🔗

You are a superhero!

261474 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 69, #556 of 2021 🔗

Just to inject (sic) a note of joy into this morning‘s gloomfest:
Yesterday I had the most glorious 70th birthday party – sorry, I meant musical event – on a sunny beach in Wales. About 25 of us danced to Greek, Armenian, Israeli, Breton, etc songs from our wonderful local world music band who stood in the middle of our circle and played & sang their hearts out against the sound of crashing waves.
A couple of other people who were just walking on the beach came to join the circle. Some dancers held scarves rather than hands, but that just added to the colour of the occasion, and many of us just held hands as usual.
As the sun set behind the cliffs, we gorged on birthday cake around a fire.
Not a mask to be seen, not just in the group, but anywhere along the spacious beach.
Aslan is moving quietly through the land, breathing on the statues, the living people who have been turned to stone. Slowly, slowly, each one will return to life again.

261494 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Melangell, 9, #557 of 2021 🔗

How wonderful, Melangell! Thank you for sharing this tale of unrestrained joy and showing us how it’s done. I am delighted for you.

261499 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Melangell, 6, #558 of 2021 🔗

And returning to life accelerando , to continue the musical allusions.

261501 ▶▶ steph, replying to Melangell, 5, #559 of 2021 🔗

So uplifting. Thank you for sharing.

261548 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Melangell, 4, #560 of 2021 🔗

I really enjoy hearing these stories, just proves humanity is not quite gone.

261703 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Melangell, 3, #561 of 2021 🔗

Lovely. Thank you.

261478 Bruce Reynolds, 16, #562 of 2021 🔗

Well come on it’s time this shit was given the order of the boot,get the muzzle of your face disown any so called friend’s that suck up this propaganda bullshit, this is war and no quarter should be given no exceptions.. and by the way I lead by example.

261487 Arnie, 16, #563 of 2021 🔗

We need to be careful when watching the headlines. They are important obviously but I think we need to keep a weather eye on what is being released in the background. In some ways it’s probably more important to watch the small stuff these days.

261517 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to alw, 3, #565 of 2021 🔗

These mask and other mandates from city officials point to the presence of Common Purpose operatives having been installed in positions of power.

261520 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to alw, 1, #566 of 2021 🔗

The postmortem samples we examined from people who died of influenza during 1918–1919 uniformly exhibited severe changes indicative of bacterial pneumonia. Bacteriologic and histopathologic results from published autopsy series clearly and consistently implicated secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory-tract bacteria in most influenza fatalities.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/198/7/962/2192118

https://www.thoughtco.com/1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-pictures-4122588

262583 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to 2 pence, #567 of 2021 🔗

watch out the fact checkers are gonna be upon you! Oh, wait, this isn’t fakebook…

261731 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, #568 of 2021 🔗

Another video from Dr Vernon Coleman about the dangers of face masks:

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/proof-that-face-masks-do-more-harm-than-good_5Ya8cJN5eCT3vqj.html

261506 Cecil B, 2, #569 of 2021 🔗

The British Holocaust 2020 to ………..

261507 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 13, #570 of 2021 🔗

I have a sign on the back of my car:

STOP COVID
TYRRANY
NOW!

It attracted attention yesterday and again this morning when I was asked about it and so was able to point to a) the Gov’t’s handing down of edicts b) Lord Sumption’s opinion that the 1984 Public Health Act does not confer the right of the government to control healthy people c) Lockdown Sceptics and UK Column

261535 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to PastImperfect, 11, #571 of 2021 🔗

Might help if you spell “tyranny” correctly. I know I get shot at for pointing out spelling mistakes but we have to present ourselves as sensible educated people. Otherwise yes a jolly good idea and I hope you get lots of viewers for your sign.

261666 ▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to thedarkhorse, 1, #572 of 2021 🔗

Not necessarily, sometimes a misspelling stands out more and gets more attention.

261764 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to OpenYourEyes, #573 of 2021 🔗

Saw this yesterday
alway’s
pastrys

261882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Silke David, #574 of 2021 🔗

If something always happens, then the happening is surely alway’s (rather than never’s).

Pastrys is what people look like if they haven’t gone outside for eight months.

262123 ▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Silke David, #575 of 2021 🔗

There’s a Chinese takeaway in our town, for years it’s had a painted sign saying, Under New Management, ‘Formally The Jade Kingdom’. I’m never sure what to make of it, now I don’t speak any Chinese but I suspect the sign-writer was a Brit.

262653 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to thedarkhorse, #576 of 2021 🔗

I wondered who would be the first to spot that.

(it was correct on the car.)

261509 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 13, #577 of 2021 🔗

On an optimistic note…

freedom isn’t passed between generations in the blood. It has to be fought for. This is a ridiculous situation but if it gets people to reappraise the limits to govt power etc then it is relatively bloodless (apart from lockdown deaths etc). It could be a very British revolution.

261659 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steve_w, 3, #578 of 2021 🔗

Good optimism is the way to go here. What’s the tagline of The Shawshank Redemption? “Fear will keep you prisoner hope will set you free”. We must get out of this relentless tide of negativity.

261722 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to steve_w, 1, #579 of 2021 🔗

Find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground

261523 Wolver, replying to Wolver, 4, #580 of 2021 🔗

JHB on talk radio, talking to Ashworth Labour Shadow Health Secretary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PePVRn91DaA

At around 9mins in she challenges him on lockdown voting and cost benefit analysis. The group think of these MP’s is scary! “Save the NHS, save lives”

261531 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Wolver, 17, #581 of 2021 🔗

As Peter Hitchins said, most MPs are actually just thick. Clearly incapable of thinking for themselves. Assuming we’re actaully allowed to vote again I think they’re going to be in shock how many of them will be out of a job.

261577 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #582 of 2021 🔗

we need a freedom party to vote for in may (if the elections go ahead)

261819 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anothersceptic2, #583 of 2021 🔗

Yes and none of them are business persons?? How would they know what it takes to have stock to be able to trade.

261738 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Wolver, 1, #584 of 2021 🔗

They are unmitigated cowards saving their arses by hiding behind the NHS banner because they think they only have to wave it and we’ll all fall in line. I think many of us have now seen the light !

261825 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Wolver, #585 of 2021 🔗

They’ve been told to keep saying this, until the day when they’re allowed to shoot anyone asking questions.

261526 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 17, #586 of 2021 🔗

The twice a week part of the freedom pass tells me the government are using this to boost the number of cases. It has been clear for a while that the test centres are empty, this is a means to galvanise the apathetic sheep.

As heinous as the pass sounds I think it’s a blessing for us sceptics. Every time insanity like this gets rolled out more and more people wake up to what is now tyranny. It is hard to brush off these things as conspiracy’s when they are actually happening.

261539 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JHuntz, 8, #587 of 2021 🔗

1st step to introduce the HealthID.

Say NO to Freedom Pass

261559 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHuntz, 11, #588 of 2021 🔗

Mandatory vaccination will be the biggest wake up call. But we have to accept that there are millions who are beyond saving, and abandon them to their fate. The absolute best we can hope for is to salvage some kind of meaningful existence from the wreckage. If victory is to be achieved it will come at an appalling price, and it will take decades to recover and rebuild.

You do not need me to tell you the consequences of defeat.

261652 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard O, 11, #589 of 2021 🔗

I think we are reading too much into this vaccination shit. Firstly, it looks as though NHS staff are not willing to take it a group of them referring to it as ‘poison’. Secondly, there will be many court cases about consent and coercion and the people will win that. I can’t see any judiciary ever upholding a law that violates a patient’s right to consent to medical treatment and being assaulted in order to force a vaccination. I think we need to cut through this BS and call it out for what it is. Expose it as loudly as we can.

The other thing is, I don’t think there are millions who are beyond saving. I actually think the number of pro-zealots are not as many as people think. The problem is twofold (i) General apathy instilled in the population due to years and years of drip feed BS from the MSM, call it dumbed down to the point where they believe whatever they do won’t make any difference and (ii) current draconian levels of censorship prevent alternative points of view from being shared although they have recently made a huge surge in getting out there.

261562 ▶▶ DRW, replying to JHuntz, 6, #590 of 2021 🔗

That is our best hope. Unfortunately this whole saga has been one of many disappointments, especially with the sheeple masses.

261618 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JHuntz, 2, #591 of 2021 🔗

They were moaning the other day that 200,000 tests per day are going to waste. You’d think they’d be pleased that there aren’t enough symptomatic people around to use them. Contrast this to September, when they were running out of tests (because SAGE incomprehensiibly thought that schools and universities returning wouldn’t lead to any kind of viral increase) and we were all naughty for getting tests without proper symptoms.

261635 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #592 of 2021 🔗

which is why they are trying to get healthy people without full symptoms to get tests done “for preventative reasons”. to use the tests and to get the numbers up via the false positives

261642 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to JHuntz, 4, #593 of 2021 🔗

It’s a stealth psy-ops campaign completely unworkable of course and logistically ridiculous to implement. If the testing stations are empty then people are getting the message. They know it too.

261727 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JHuntz, #594 of 2021 🔗

We have right on our side, we mustn’t forget that.

261534 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #595 of 2021 🔗

Freeze MPs pay

At a time when MPs have voted through legislation that has decimated the jobs and livelihoods of many in the private sector, it would be wrong for them not to legislate for this pay increase to be stopped. It would be entirely wrong at a time of hardship.

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1330621507458961408

261564 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Victoria, 1, #596 of 2021 🔗

Unfortunately that does nothing to solve to problem that when you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

We have the politicians we have because we’re not prepared to pay for better ones.

261689 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #597 of 2021 🔗

80K a year isn’t enough?? We have well paid monkeys and they still suck. Perhaps 20k a year would be better, then we might get normal people instead of totally compromised wage slaves in power.

261742 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 1, #598 of 2021 🔗

Better yet pay should be brought down to minimum wage, claiming expenses banned and no pension when they leave.

That should hopefully weed out the career chancers and those only in it for the money and connections.

261540 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 15, #599 of 2021 🔗

This site is tepid again today. Talking about what sort of lockdown etc etc.
The only way to change this is to educate the masses with the correct data , not the ones used by the tyrants 24/7.
This site should continually publish and update the real numbers with good graphics that everyone can use by bombarding everyone and anyone with the data continually.
The tyrants are lying, the numbers thay use are wrong and inconsistent, and have been from the start. Instead of attacking this, the bedrock of their position, we are drawn into pretty useless discussions about how a relatively few MPs will vote etc.
Please, whoever is running this site, get hold of people like Chrisopher Bowyer and David Clark to provide this data/graphics, use this popular vehicle to disseminate and encourage ‘friendly’ national media to use in their articles.
Kill this nonsense with information.

261544 ▶▶ davews, replying to peyrole, 6, #600 of 2021 🔗

Actually I think this is the first day on for Johnathan, presumably one of our new recruits. Welcome to the editorial fold.

261547 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to peyrole, 5, #601 of 2021 🔗

I have told three people this morning that with 0-1-2 deaths per day at the local hospita for several months this is exactly normal for respiratory disease.
None have disagreed.

261814 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to peyrole, #602 of 2021 🔗

Organised info available at KBF, Covid19Assembly, and others.

261845 ▶▶ R G, replying to peyrole, 1, #603 of 2021 🔗

The mix of mortal fear, hysteria and self-interest driving all of this doesn’t yield to facts and figures.

261545 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #604 of 2021 🔗

hassling my MP this morning…he has already replied

” I do sympathise with some of your concerns. I will be closely scrutinising further government announcements today.”

weak – but at least he’s in the CRG

261550 ▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 1, #605 of 2021 🔗

Better than average (useless) I guess.

261580 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to steve_w, 2, #606 of 2021 🔗

They’re not going to commit to anything via an email
!

261581 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #607 of 2021 🔗

his previous email was better

I have recently joined the Covid Recovery Group, a new backbench group formed to fight the imposition of a third national lockdown. I believe the country is badly in need of a different and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep living under a series of damaging lockdowns and seemingly arbitrary restrictions.”

261551 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 23, #608 of 2021 🔗

apparently Regents street was packed at the weekend for Xmas lights. no masks, no social distancing

261553 ▶▶ Chloe, replying to steve_w, 22, #609 of 2021 🔗

I was there, I can confirm this to be true!

261563 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Chloe, 5, #610 of 2021 🔗

excellent. my contact said he went to see lights but was ‘mortified’ at the lack of social distancing and had to leave 🙂 funny. he’s on the turn though – read all my links and broadly agrees – just ‘personally worried due to some health issues

261833 ▶▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to steve_w, #611 of 2021 🔗

It wasn’t as busy as past years, but I was pleased to see a reasonable amount of crowding on the streets, and very few masked faces! The Apple store in particular (of course deemed ‘essential’ for some arbitrary reason) was packed, queues of people outside on the street, no social distancing as far as I could see.

261565 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Chloe, 12, #612 of 2021 🔗

Reading this I just felt a wave of relief and optimism ride over me after feeling despair with this mornings headlines

261574 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to tonyspurs, 5, #613 of 2021 🔗

Yes, it is a collective bad day on LS, especially with the new tier system. I really appreciate the positivity reports.

261721 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Chloe, #614 of 2021 🔗

That’s really good news.

261815 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Chloe, #615 of 2021 🔗

Christmas lights in my town was virtual this year, with the local Mayor playing some weird kind of act. I am almost averse to sharing it but

https://youtu.be/Y9lDnS66RUA

The local community group social media, which I’ve been baneed from for sharing the number of deaths locally (80 with 95% above 80 yrs old, average life expectancy 78 here), are gushing over it.

261568 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 3, #616 of 2021 🔗

No baton charges?

261616 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to steve_w, 1, #617 of 2021 🔗

How wonderful, great news.
In my little town, christmas lights are going up but there will be no switch on ceremony (usually by some local celebrity such as the town’s oldest man) ‘due to social distancing regulations’.
Sigh.

261555 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #618 of 2021 🔗

The pig dictator will do anything, and I mean anything to avoid prison

His only possible defence when he gets to court is that he is brain damaged

It’s going to be near impossible to disprove his defence

261685 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cecil B, 5, #619 of 2021 🔗

Personally I don’t think he’ll go with the brain damage, I think he might opt for the Shaggy defence aka “It wasn’t me.” Perhaps with a hint of the Lance Armstrong, “Well yeah I know I did wrong, but it’s not really cheating when everybody else did it too…”.
Hancock is totally spineless and will throw anybody & everybody under the bus at the first opportunity. Perhaps he will resurrect the David Berkowitz defence, claiming he took orders to kill from a dog.

261558 Basics, 4, #620 of 2021 🔗

https://twitter.com/scojw/status/1330302800971132930?s=20

“Saving Scotland Edinburgh Group
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261560 Victoria, 8, #621 of 2021 🔗

The problem is that many people live according to the expectations of others. They find false security in conformity. They do not actually see the world around them and all the opportunities it offers. They flounder around being dependent on others instead of being determined to try new things, learn and succeed. They do not have goals, a plan or seek mentors. Too many people are trapped in their own belief system.

~ Almond ~

261567 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 14, #622 of 2021 🔗

Call me a cynic, but that letter written by Mark Harper just sounds like another attempt to appease us sceptics. I foresee that the government will respond with their usual guff and the 70 MPs will just roll over. I do hope I am wrong, obviously.

261598 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to GuyRich, 7, #623 of 2021 🔗

The Tory Party is doing what it does best: walking both sides of the street.

261718 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Ovis, 2, #624 of 2021 🔗

That’s not what the Tory party does best. What they do best is letting you down.

261842 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Recusant, 1, #625 of 2021 🔗

Yes – you’ve got to hand it to Starmer in terms of integrity.

He’s never pretended to be anything other than a hypocritical shit.

261678 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to GuyRich, 1, #626 of 2021 🔗

Possible of course, yes. Of course this letter is the one meant for ‘public consumption’ and, as with much in Parliament, I’m certainly hopeful that there’s a lot more than meets the eye to this. This is the time when the Government ought to be telling people exactly how many lives their wonderful lockdowns have saved. We are seeing how many lives are being destroyed (sadly for many, permanently). How many lives do lockdowns save?

261863 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to GuyRich, 1, #627 of 2021 🔗

Indeed.

8 months too late

261962 ▶▶ right2question, replying to GuyRich, 2, #628 of 2021 🔗

yes, i don’t like the subservient tone and the first of all we must see. there’s no reason for any of the restrictions whatsoever end of story

261569 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 10, #629 of 2021 🔗

Help needed with game.

Must be something wrong with me I am sure, I never did have an imaginary friend, but I do have an imaginary game. I call it “fantasy pharmacist”, this is how it works.

Like the pharmaceutical companies I have a lethal weapon at my disposal, in my case a high powered sniper rifle, and have carte blanche to use it on anybody I choose with complete immunity from prosecution. In order to prioritise my executions I assign names to the 6 numbers on a dice, so:

1=Johnson
2=Whitty
3=Vallance
4=Hancock
5=Ferguson
6=Starmer

Then I roll the dice.

Strange thing is that no matter how many times I roll, it always lands on 4.

Am I doing something wrong?

261572 ▶▶ anon, replying to Old Bill, 2, #630 of 2021 🔗

no

keep rolling!

261575 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Old Bill, 4, #631 of 2021 🔗

you can shoot ferguson before you get the dice out

261602 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Old Bill, 7, #632 of 2021 🔗

Don’t worry, Ferguson‘s model shows you only need one bullet to kill all six.

261717 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jakehadlee, #633 of 2021 🔗

Very good! 😁

261620 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Old Bill, #634 of 2021 🔗

as almost said by Captain Quint in Jaws, “You’re going to need a bigger gun”

261800 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Old Bill, #635 of 2021 🔗

Yes. You should use rope instead.

261576 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 69, #636 of 2021 🔗

A clandestine raid took place last night,all of the social distancing signs on my local high street and public park were destroyed,if they are replaced the same will happen again…Who Dares Wins .

261583 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 26, #637 of 2021 🔗

Round here there were some signs next to a school, they all somehow ended up in the river.

261589 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to DRW, 19, #638 of 2021 🔗

That’s the spirit Fuck em.

261596 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #639 of 2021 🔗

Can’t take credit for that though, wonder if another LS user paid a visit.

261600 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 20, #640 of 2021 🔗

Some anti-lockdown graffiti appeared on road signs around here early one Sunday morning a couple of weeks ago,I have no idea who did it…..

261698 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Paul, 6, #641 of 2021 🔗

Good man..As Tracey Chapman would say “Talking Bout a Revolution”

261827 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #642 of 2021 🔗

Mmmm it starts with a whisper?

261836 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #643 of 2021 🔗

While they’re standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in the unemployment lines
Sittin’ around waiting for a Revolution..

261712 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #644 of 2021 🔗

Vive La Revolution! 😁💣💣💣

262791 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bella Donna, #645 of 2021 🔗

A luta continua!

261938 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #646 of 2021 🔗

Fantastic work! The raids are happening here on the South Coast UK too!
Arnie.

262062 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #647 of 2021 🔗

You shame me! I have done just two in my local town. Well done.

261585 Richard, replying to Richard, 8, #648 of 2021 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pandemic-over-former-pfizer-chief-science-officer-says-second-wave-faked-false-positive

Appreciate some of you will have seen this but link to video hosted in environment that won’t get deleted by big tech and also the best laymen’s explanation I have seen of the issues around the number of cycles for PCR tests. If they are running this at 45 cycles then they know they are manufacturing the case count

261592 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Richard, 2, #649 of 2021 🔗

Has anyone done an FOI to the government to ask about the number of cycles being used? It would put the whole debacle to bed if they admitted in writing that they’ve been using anything over 30 cycles.

261694 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #650 of 2021 🔗

I think someone tried a few months ago. There was much wriggling between NHS/PHE and the contractor testing companies.

261794 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #651 of 2021 🔗

The HSC in Ireland admitted 40 and over were being used. Irish Freedom Press have screenshots.

261834 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, #652 of 2021 🔗

30 is too high.

For a genuine chance of identifying real infections, Ct20 should be the limit.

261632 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richard, 5, #653 of 2021 🔗

This one is good too.

https://www.richplanet.net/richp_guest.php?ref=710&part=1&person=20

Andrew Johnson explains what the PCR test is and why it is meaningless.

261593 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 44, #654 of 2021 🔗

The regime is caving on Christmas to save lockdown. This is about protecting lockdown from what would otherwise be a humiliating collapse over Christmas, which would result in no spike in illness because the epidemic is over – at which point the regime would be held accountable for its actions.

What this teaches us is that the regime recognises that its power is limited. We need to use the ‘concession’ to push back and normalise civil disobedience.

261599 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ovis, 12, #655 of 2021 🔗

IT’s over, they know it’s over. No idea how they’re going to try and justify anything once the numbers don’t change much in the leadup to christmas day.

261606 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Anothersceptic2, 8, #656 of 2021 🔗

Third wave

261608 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #657 of 2021 🔗

They are already seeding that idea in the press and media.

261613 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #658 of 2021 🔗

VIRUSES DON’T DO WAVES though

261617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to CGL, 6, #659 of 2021 🔗

We know that, the scientists know that but the last 6 months has proved just how gullible the majority of the population are.

261654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to CGL, 12, #660 of 2021 🔗

They do when the government has its own wave machine, also known as the PCR test at 45 cycles.

261625 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #661 of 2021 🔗

What a lot of BS. Pantsdown should be sacked. His modelling is rubbish, pure and utter made up rubbish.

261639 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #662 of 2021 🔗

WHO mentioned this one. Nabarro to be precise.

261611 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anothersceptic2, 18, #663 of 2021 🔗

I think we are in the endgame. numbers going down from before lockdown2. lockdown2 ends and numbers continue down. cant imagine what type of graphs whitty and co are going to show in a couple of weeks time. picture of a space goat eating the earth

261619 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 6, #664 of 2021 🔗

Some more bullshit Pantsdown modelling claiming we’ll somehow have a “third wave” without LD probably.
Although I would like to see that space goat picture!

261623 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DRW, 7, #665 of 2021 🔗

Problem: Viruses don’t come in waves – they come we resist and it settles. That’s it folks!

261621 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steve_w, 3, #666 of 2021 🔗

Therein lies a question. Those in tiers 2 and 3 – what are these judgements going to be based on and on what basis. The numbers are dropping dramatically. So, if an area like Cornwall who had 2 Covid cases in hospital are placed in tier 2 on the basis of a 50% increase in cases – which would make it 4 – is this reasonable? Also, it doesn’t tell you how the tier 3s and 2s will be able to move downwards. What is the criteria for that?

261634 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #667 of 2021 🔗

Ive asked my MP for the criteria. He said he will ask. I’ll ask again

261811 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steve_w, 1, #668 of 2021 🔗

Thanks Steve.

261643 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 6, #669 of 2021 🔗

They know the end is nigh. For the virus. More importantly, for them.

261612 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ovis, 10, #670 of 2021 🔗

The government should be scared of us, not the other way around. When people fear their government it’s tyranny.

261614 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ovis, 14, #671 of 2021 🔗

You know, I think you are right there. I think people are actually going to do what they want to do at Christmas anyway. What I think is happening now is that they have got addicted to the power they have (Wancock, Gove, Johnson, Witty and Valance) and are doubling down because their narrative is now steadily breaking down and they have lost the goodwill of the nation. There are Judicial Reviews in the offing for the hospitality industry and others. The key thing is that these restrictions are irrational – so cafes and restaurants can open but pubs can’t? That’s a purely spiteful and malicious decision and not based on any evidence or fact. I suspect there are some born again evangelical Christians behind this decision. It is a decision to stop people enjoying themselves no more no less.

However, they are so addicted to their power now they have lost the plot and believe they can keep doing this for as long as they like. Well they won’t and they can’t. They have over-reached by a long way now. Their downfall is coming. Have faith and have courage.

261636 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo Dominich -, 14, #672 of 2021 🔗

They have some way to go yet before they are done, but every new regulation they come up with is converting a few more minds to our cause.

Eventually we will be a big enough minority that we will be unstoppable. I suspect this threshold sits at around 20% of the population. Much work still to do, but the fact that our enemy has only lies on their side is to our continuous advantage.

261638 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Jo Dominich -, 8, #673 of 2021 🔗

Born again evangelical Christians are actually doing what they want and enjoying themselves – by holding underground church services complete with lively singing.

261701 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 4, #674 of 2021 🔗

What I would really like to do is go to church and listen to the choir singing out loud. Mask less and in close contact with other human beings.

261707 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #675 of 2021 🔗

Same here – wonder how we can find one of the underground churches?

261648 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #676 of 2021 🔗

Been coming for a while, hence “scary graph”. Now it’s coming again. Buy popcorn (declaration: I have shares in popcorn.Thank you for stocking up)

261664 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Dominich -, 12, #677 of 2021 🔗

Yes because Boris looks like he is born again.What a load of rubbish.The reason the pubs are going to be shut are because they are central to British life.They are closing anywhere that might be a centre of resistance.
If you look at all the lockdown measures they are the type an occupying power would institute to control the population.They then make sense.

261818 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #678 of 2021 🔗

You’re right of course.

261690 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ovis, 3, #679 of 2021 🔗

We can change this! We must come together and resist for the good of mankind. We are free, we are not serfs and our voices are important!

261793 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Ovis, 3, #680 of 2021 🔗

I couldn’t agree more, Ovis. Well said!

261594 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #681 of 2021 🔗

anyone know what time Brother Number One is going to announce the latest chocolate ration increases?

261597 ▶▶ anon, replying to steve_w, 5, #682 of 2021 🔗

shortly after 2 minutes hate I think

261604 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to anon, 5, #683 of 2021 🔗

My hate is 24/7 – you can’t fit that amount into 2 minutes
(PS I do get the reference though 🙂 )

261605 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #684 of 2021 🔗

DM article about the Department of Health doing a climbdown after trying to rubbish the article in which they stated facts. The DM are doing a good job now of publishing actual facts.

261759 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #685 of 2021 🔗

They had to delete that tweet where they accused the Daily Mail of publishing “misleading” information.

They were so hammered badly with that they’re just sounding like Pravda.

261858 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #686 of 2021 🔗

Screen copy of the deleted tweet from Department of Health and Social Care

261991 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 1, #687 of 2021 🔗

What a bunch of maroons. They might have deleted it but loads of people have taken screen shots to ensure that it lives forever.

261644 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 1, #689 of 2021 🔗

Excellent, screenshots for reference.

261657 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to stefarm, 4, #690 of 2021 🔗

Excellent article.

The biggest lie being told to the people of the world is that everybody needs to take this vaccine. And ironically, the experimental mRNA technology that they’re desperate to use makes mass vaccination unnecessary.

261630 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, 2, #691 of 2021 🔗

The Danish mask study is NOT the last word on the subject…..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/20/mask-danish-study/

261645 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to MutzNutz, #692 of 2021 🔗

Only read on subscription!

261673 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #693 of 2021 🔗

If you click on the left panel on landing page you should be able to read a limited number of articles

261737 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #694 of 2021 🔗

Isn’t coughing or sneezing into a tissue then disposing of it carefully a safer bet than wearing a dirty face rag all day?

261762 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 1, #695 of 2021 🔗

It is. There used to be an excellent advert from the Department of Health – Catch it, bin it, kill it.

Why they didn’t revive that I have no idea.

261779 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MutzNutz, #696 of 2021 🔗

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7580955/#!po=1.85185

This is the study provided in that article to counter the Danish study. Standard issues continue with such studies.

The study may support masks in hospitals under strict conditions but the fact is its all done in an extremely controlled environment:

*As the study itself says, the characteristics of exhaled droplets and aeresols are related to the environment they are exhaled into. The Danish Mask study does by doing an RCT in the community.

*They also acknowledge the need to understand if the masks actually prevent illness. The Danish Mask study does.

* The mannequins use of the mask is perfect. Tightly sealed with tape!!, over the nose and almost touching the eyes. It’s a high quality mask as well. The Danish Mask study replicates actual community use as created through the mandates.

* There is no way of assessing use of masks as a way of actually causing contamination in community use of them. In a hospital setting they know this is a serious risk and so make very explicit procedures around their use. The Danish mask study had 2-3 masks per user per day. Even this is a stretch for many today living under a community mask mandate I would wager.

* The study needed to use a very high viral dose to measure effectiveness. How this relates to the community is unclear given it isn’t an aim of the study. How often would one encounter a person breathing such a high dose? Maybe in hospital where people are ill enough? But at the shopping centre do you see many really ill people coughing over each other?

* They used RT-PCR to measure virus exhaled. They do not mention CTs used as far as I can tell. I think at this point we need to see that. Does the Danish study even say which CTs were used to determine who was SARS-COV-2 positive? If not, why not?

The Washington Post article essentially does nothing to counter the fact that mandates are based on very weak evidence. Even the CDC study comparing states in the US can be countered with similar observational data in European countries since they were introduced? How can that be explained?

So as always, its just hot air. The truth is the masks are about punt policies used to coerce people by giving them a visual clue that the big scary virus out there.

262337 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #697 of 2021 🔗

I wonder what the explanation is for this study they cite that infections fell faster in mask wearing counties of Kansas. Everywhere else infections seem to rise after mask mandates!
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6947e2-H.pdf

261633 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #698 of 2021 🔗

Social bubbles will have to be announced in advance

Don’t tell me – they have a world-beating system in place to record the bubbles!

261640 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, 18, #699 of 2021 🔗

My bubble will be me and anyone I bump into who fancies a hug.

261663 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to karenovirus, 6, #700 of 2021 🔗

I am creating huggles not bubbles.

261797 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to karenovirus, 4, #701 of 2021 🔗

Mine is the same plus it will be laced with superior bubbles called Champagne, prosecco, cava whatever. Together we can hug, dance, sing, drink, eat and be merry. Love the idea.

261774 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #702 of 2021 🔗

I was wondering. This who we report it to?
What utter nonsense. My bubble would be
Santa Claus, all the elves and reindeer.

261637 Buck Foris, replying to Buck Foris, 17, #703 of 2021 🔗

Freedom passes? Some of this rhetoric seems oddly familiar. Can’t quite put my finger on it though….

“National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over.” – A. Hitler

262397 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Buck Foris, #704 of 2021 🔗

Or as Walter says to the Dude in The Big Lebowski.. ‘ Say what you like about National Socialism at least it was an ethos’

261641 Bella Donna, 22, #705 of 2021 🔗

My immediate reaction on being told what I am allowed to do at Christmas is the same well used expletive I have used since April. Two words the second being xxxx Off! We will be celebrating Christmas the same as we have always done.

On a different note I am in a very happy mood this morning as I have discovered the eye operation I have waited 9 months for will be going ahead on Wednesday despite Lockdown !! 😁🙏

261646 PatrickF, 20, #706 of 2021 🔗

Breaking news. Aeros banned. Too many bubbles.

261649 Paul, replying to Paul, 55, #707 of 2021 🔗

Dear Government,
Fuck your ‘freedom pass’,your certificate,your wrist band,your testing,your vaccine,your tiers,your lockdown,your masks,your social distancing,your sanitiser,your covid marshalls,your NHS,your police,your snitches and collaborators,your virture signalling celebrities,your propaganda media and fuck every last one of you to hell.

261796 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Paul, 9, #708 of 2021 🔗

Succinct and to the point, Paul, shall we put that in our Christmas Cards to No 10?

261847 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to vargas99, 2, #709 of 2021 🔗

Yes,that’s a good idea.It sums up how I feel now.

261651 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 11, #710 of 2021 🔗

Luckily for me i don’t have a T V ,but i assume from the main page that Johnson if he has been meeting the other U K leaders that he will be entertaining you with another speech soon .Here is my advice if you want to continue of sound mind ,just don’t watch it ,ignore it . Why oh why are people on here even listening to this complete mentally unbalanced non entity . Ignore him and everything he says and also what any of his dwindling group of followers say. As i said in the other post it’s OUR Christmas not theirs so celebrate it however you fucking like ,just like you did on every other christmas and all the future ones you get to have . Turn off the T V and if you cant fight your corner get off social media too and you will instantly feel better .Spend time with your family or friends ,go out into nature ,read books again and just try to enjoy the simple things these morons haven’t taken away . I’m not saying give up the struggle but find a way where we can find a way to fight back but be content in ourselves at the same time .So still go to the demo’s ,get the stickers and posters out and keep up the struggle but don’t let them and their misery control the narrative . ONWARDS AND UPWARDS .

261788 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to wat tyler, 3, #711 of 2021 🔗

Brilliantly said. I don’t watch any of these things. For over 15 years I haven’t read a newspaper, watched televised news (and it’s not just the BBC, it’s ITV, C4 and C5 also that are dishing out the propaganda) and do not do social media of any kind and never have. My life is infinitely the better for it. My late Father used to call the news “The Miseries” if he and my mother were alive today, they would call it “The State Propaganda Broadcast”. They lived through the Spanish Civil War and through Franco’s era. BTW, a lot of Spaniards of their generation still alive believe life was much better under Franco for a number of reasons!

261653 PWL, replying to PWL, 5, #712 of 2021 🔗

Each phase of this betrays increasing weakness by UK Government, running ahead, as it is, of defiance of a lockdown that it can’t enforce – yet (that’s why controlled media is here to inspire volunteerism).

Prohibition And Covid-19; Part One: War On The People

261706 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PWL, 5, #713 of 2021 🔗

Hits the nail on the head:

There is more than enough to indicate to us that UK Government understands that it is insecure in an information war, and thus insecure in how that translates to the situation on the ground, and in fact about the situation on the ground. We can suppose, then, that the new defence budget is actually a response to the situation. We could go further, and say that it represents the acquisitioning of capability for a new phase in a war against the British people, after an assessment of operational deficiencies during a first phase – and as extreme as this statement might seem, there is justification for it.

There will still be a threshold where military will be required for active suppression. I have no doubt that Johnson will not hesitate to order the army to shoot to kill British citizens in order to maintain his grip on power.

261732 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Richard O, 1, #714 of 2021 🔗

That’s the part I’m looking forward to the most. It must be my Viking blood.

261760 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #715 of 2021 🔗

I’m a little old to be effective in physical combat, but in a desperate situation and with nothing to lose would be delighted to pitch in. Should the state resort to overt violence it will mean that they have lost the information war.

261780 ▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Richard O, 5, #716 of 2021 🔗

Indeed. And from a previous life I know the character of the British Army quite well. They are not the unthinking automatons the Government seems to think they are – their entire character hinges on the beilef that they are proudly doing the right thing for the people back home. This stupid plan simply cannot work.

262547 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #717 of 2021 🔗

I’m a little old to be effective in physical combat …

Weaponry, Richard, weaponry …

261781 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard O, 4, #718 of 2021 🔗

He’s itching to do it, in fact, Hancock and Gove have gone stir crazy with all this power going to their head. Bring it on. It’s got to end somewhere and it won’t be in their favour.

261754 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PWL, 9, #719 of 2021 🔗

Look around the world and the same dynamic is playing out in every country

Nations are under attack by the World Economic Forum. The Great Reset is the Great Destruct (controlled demolition of economies) to create mass poverty to enslave by dependence and compliance

I wish it was not the case, but the UK is occupied in a fascistic coup to benefit Pharma, the banks, tech companies and others. I doubt politicians will overthrow this attack

The current stage is our collective arm being twisted so that we accept the vaccines, surveillance, the New Normal. The resulting poverty will be used to stoke fascism

261765 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ben, 5, #720 of 2021 🔗

Yes, we have been under the government of a hostile occupying power since 23rd March. They are going to have to escalate their attacks to silence us, and the more they do so the more will realise this basic truth.

261785 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ben, 3, #721 of 2021 🔗

Not to mention that Witless and Unbalanced, Pantsdown, Johnson, Hancock and Gove stand to make personal millions out of this vaccine.

261791 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #722 of 2021 🔗

What are the facts on this?

Vallance has a shitload of investments – what about the others?

261831 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, 3, #723 of 2021 🔗

Witless has a highly lucrative job to go to in WHO after the end of his tenure and has been given £5m ‘grant’ by Gates. Johnson as I understand it and Hancock and Gove also, have taken massive bungs from Gates in the name of rolling out the vaccine, ID2020 etc. In other words, they have been bought lock stock and barrel hence this drive to vaccine, whatever the dangers. Other European countries are not pushing it to the level this trio are.

261989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ right2question, replying to Jo Dominich -, #724 of 2021 🔗

this information needs to get out into the public domain is it out there already or how can this be got out as wide as possible coz i knew re vallance but i didn’t know re the rest, except i knew j and gates were palls, twitter, meetings etc.

263083 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich -, #725 of 2021 🔗

BLACKMAIL.

261656 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 27, #726 of 2021 🔗

My visit to Argos this morning proved rewarding. There was a queue outside of course, as it is only click and collect. This was made worse by the fact that the Argos machines were not working so all order numbers on phones had to be copied by hand at the desk placed in the doorway.

It did give those of us waiting in the freezing cold a chance to chat though. (double pneumonia anyone?)

What I gleaned:

The two people in front of me had both had “it” but “it” was like a nasty cold, one had bad headaches but had taken paracetamol.

Two people in the queue worked as school assistants. One spoke of the difficulties of keeping five year olds apart, and how ridiculous the daily routines had become. The other, a single mum was telling me that her 12 year-old loved school but had been suffering from panic attacks because he had been terrified by events.

The member of staff on guard duty was worried about folks who had several children with families of their own and who might have to choose between them at Christmas. I suggested that she did what everyone else was going to do and just ignore the rules.

I’m afraid that I gave my usual spiel about how ridiculous lockdown was, the discrediting of the PCR tests and how dangerous masks were. Everyone was in agreement.

Oh and I collected my Christmas present to myself- a new iron!

261734 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Margaret, 4, #727 of 2021 🔗

Good stuff, how do they know they had ‘it’??? this time last year it would have been ‘how have you been?’

‘hmm, not bad, had a bit of a cold, sore throat and snotty nose, better now thanks’

261660 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #728 of 2021 🔗

Well done with the churches who are fighting back. I’ve always said that perhaps they should channel the spirit of the early Christians, take back control with DIY house churches.

As for the insanity over muzzles, Bob Moran has come up with this which is genius and should be turned to a leaflet or booklet to be circulated widely:

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1330562373917274113

261682 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #729 of 2021 🔗

These cartoons and his writing are spot on. I agree this needs to be put into a book.

261769 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ozzie, #730 of 2021 🔗

I hope he does because its well done and the images are striking.

261730 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #731 of 2021 🔗

One of our clergy rang me up recently and attempted to rebuke me about not wearing a mask face-nappy in church. There was an attempt at emotional blackmail, we don’t want the police cordoning of the church all that sort of thing.
Needless to say he didn’t get very far.
Then I went on to the attack. I asked him, where the church would be if Peter and John had not defied the rabbis (Acts 4), or if Paul and Silas had caved in at Philippi (Acts 16), or Polycarp had not defied the governor at Smyrna (Apostolic Father, the Martyrdom of Polycarp) or Martin Luther had not said ‘Hier steh ich, ich kann kein anders’.
No answers of course.
The clergy are always trying (rightly) to get people to read the bible and then what happens when they do?
It is high time that the clergy renounced the heresy of Erastianism.

261768 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stephanos, 4, #732 of 2021 🔗

Well done you. I’m always baffled by these churchmen who rebuke us for not following the rules then have no answer when they’re quoted the scripture or pointed out the contradiction of their actions vis a vis what Christianity teaches us.

I’ve lost my faith a long time ago and this current madness does not inspire confidence. If anything I don’t think they’ve realised how much they’ve betrayed Christianity and the people who turn to them for spiritual comfort.

261670 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #733 of 2021 🔗

Families must decide on their extended bubbles in advance and will not be able to mix with anyone from outside that bubble during the festive break. It will mean families will be able to have both sets of grandparents to stay.

However it means, effectively, that my son would not be able to see his own daughters – and that no doubt applies to thousands of stepchildren situations!

261683 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #734 of 2021 🔗

I think non-adult children have always been excluded from this nonsense

261687 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #735 of 2021 🔗

They will be advertising for block gauleiters to monitor this next. My cousin would volunteer instantly.

261688 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #736 of 2021 🔗

How is that going to work? We notify the local council or some such rubbish.We them receive papers? Who is going to enforce this crap

261902 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #737 of 2021 🔗

Ridiculous. I won’t be informing anyone who I invite to my house, ever.

261726 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #738 of 2021 🔗

Shocking to realise that for months my own government has made it illegal for me to make new friends, to take a lover, to develop a romantic relationship, to find a partner

The government has overridden my bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy is conducive to good mental health. Bodily autonomy is a human right..

It is for this reason that I classify my government as a fascistic entity

It needs saying loudly and clearly to governments, the mainstream media, people who advocate for lockdowns, people who are afraid of the ‘virus’:

MY RIGHTS DON’T END WHERE YOUR FEAR BEGINS

261677 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 49, #739 of 2021 🔗

Here’s my letter to my MP – Dominic Drab today. It’s a reply to a reply mail he sent me – full of the usual crap. Pointless really but we need to keep on doing it:

Dear Dominic

Please spare me the bullshit about how you have ‘helped’ so many businesses. And please spare me all of the background – I have been following this closely and I know very well what is going on across the UK. Your e-mail gives me no reassurance whatsoever about this scientifically illiterate government’s handling of this virus.  The truth as you well know it is that these lockdowns and continued, ever increasingly draconian restrictions are destroying people and society. The payback for all of this is going to be very painful – I can only imagine the level of punitive taxation that this government will wreak on the public in the near future as a result of its Covid profligacy.

On that very subject, I am absolutely livid at the amount of OUR money is being ‘spaffed up the wall’ on all of these unnecessary Covid measures – the testing, the track and trace and the vaccine – to supposedly ‘protect’ us against a virus for which we have a 99.7% of survival should we be unlucky enough to catch it. You say a million people have died worldwide. Let me just put that into context for you – that is 0.01% of the world’s population. The continuing restrictions are based on lies and dodgy data, presented without context and in such as way that it is designed to mis-inform a public that you have fed a diet of fear propaganda for the last 8 months. There is nothing proportionate, or even rational about the response to this virus. Why should we trust this government any more?

You say the lockdown saved thousands of lives. There is no evidence of this – infections were falling before the lockdown started indicating that sensible measures such as hand washing and working from home were working. But it will inevitable cost thousands of lives due to delayed diagnoses, lack of treatments and poverty and despair. Clearly no cost benefit has ever been done to justify these lockdowns and restrictions – to therefore impose them in the way you have done is criminal negligence.

It is very obvious that given the latest studies showing that asymptomatic transmission of the virus is non-existent and given also that this virus is not especially deadly to the majority of us, the only logical, sensible approach is helping the vulnerable to shield and to allow those of us that wish to, to live our lives as normal (as per Great Barrington). And to advise those with symptoms to stay and home and isolate, as any sensible person would do for any illness. You say the NHS will be overwhelmed if we are granted our ‘freedom’. More lies – there is absolutely no evidence of this. Hospital available capacity is no different to a normal year – the bleating from NHS management about how overstretched they are is an annual autumn event and this year is no different. My view is that if we need to protect the NHS rather than the other way round as it should be, then the entire institution is clearly not fit for purpose and a complete overhaul is urgently required.

Finally I want you to know that I am utterly terrified by the creeping authoritarianism, the idea of freedom passes, the failure of this government to ‘rule out’ mandatory vaccines. We are teetering on the brink of a very frightening period in our history – the dystopian world of Orwell’s 1984 is fast approaching. I would welcome your views on this, if you have any. But please do not bother to reply if all you can manage is a standard propaganda e-mail response as below.

261681 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to HelzBelz, 19, #740 of 2021 🔗

A superb letter. Both intellectually powerful and stylistically idiomatic.
Will it make a blind bit of difference? Probably not, at least for the time being. But we all have to have confidence that if we keep up this kind of protest there will come a tipping point.

261832 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Alethea, 6, #741 of 2021 🔗

Indeed. Per Lord Sumption & Peter Hitchens, it’s about engaging with MPs and letting them know that their constituents are watching. As you say, it’s more about numbers, than expecting an immediate change of mind. Appeal to their ego, not their logic. If only a few MPs start to think their constituents are making noises about the validity of their future, they may well start to get more concerned. As I recall, most (if not all) of the MPs who publicly made moves to block a no-deal Brexit, were certainly given short shrift by their constituents when the time came: Anna Soubry; Dominic Grieve; Chuka Umunna; Luciana Berger; Sarah Wollaston….

261904 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #742 of 2021 🔗

A well written letter and while your MP might not reply, if we keep hammering on there will come a time where they’ll be unable to and can’t ignore us any longer.

261679 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #743 of 2021 🔗

Here’s a very useful resource. Ivor Cummins has put a link on his website to the ‘Published Papers and Data on Lockdown Weak Efficacy – and Lockdown Huge Harms

https://thefatemperor.com/published-papers-and-data-on-lockdown-weak-efficacy-and-lockdown-huge-harms/

261867 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Freecumbria, #744 of 2021 🔗

Is there an equivalent on mask wearing?

261889 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Alan P, 1, #745 of 2021 🔗

Download Dr Vernon Coleman new ebook on masks from his website. It’s free and packed with info.

261890 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Alan P, #746 of 2021 🔗

I’m not aware of one.

This from June is good but not up to date

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

And a search for mask on the CEBM website brings up some good stuff

Perhaps someone has come up with an up to date list of links/evidence on masks?

261696 MDH, replying to MDH, 16, #747 of 2021 🔗

Just seen a post by a FB friend who lives in LA describing the decision to ban outdoor dining at restaurants in LA County as “sad, but necessary”. You don’t have to be much of a libertarian to wonder at the madness of that decision. The world does seem to be remarkably keen on authoritarianism.

261783 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to MDH, 4, #748 of 2021 🔗

Not enough people just asking WHY?

261697 Ben, 30, #749 of 2021 🔗
261709 Jane G, replying to Jane G, 10, #750 of 2021 🔗

Did I just hear Tom Whipple on talk radio news bulletin saying that the new (British) vaccine was effective against a symptomatic illness ? How the hell do they prove that? Is this a moron speaking of an oxymoron?

261757 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jane G, 4, #751 of 2021 🔗

If you don’t have symptoms you don’t have it. Simples. They can’t grasp this basic fact.

261848 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #752 of 2021 🔗

Indeed.

Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible

~ Michael Yeadon ~

261711 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 2, #753 of 2021 🔗

The sound of Johnson, Hancock and Whitless salivating is obscene:-

coming here ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55039662

261745 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to nickbowes, 6, #754 of 2021 🔗

We have copied China from the outset.The only thing we haven’t copied is the opening up but the Chinese population is already tagged and traced.

261770 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to nickbowes, -1, #755 of 2021 🔗

.

261715 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 3, #756 of 2021 🔗

Seems to be media silence over the Shanghai Airport chaos at the weekend. Not sure what happened to everyone trapped in the Airport.

Sky News Australia had some coverage of the event but didn’t really say much –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4iym_bGgMo
Chaos erupts at Shanghai Airport as thousands forced to quarantine over COVID case

261752 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Darryl, 4, #757 of 2021 🔗

This just goes to demonstrate how the entire world has dug a massive hole for itself, and is still digging!

261824 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to Darryl, #758 of 2021 🔗

Reported on RT web page.

261716 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #759 of 2021 🔗

Prof Neil Ferguson, a former member of the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) said the “safest thing to do” would be to allow a limited number of around three households to “bubble” together and mix.

He told BBC Radio 5 Live this would lead to “some increase in risk” of transmission, leading to perhaps a 20 to 25% increase in case numbers.

But the impact would be less than having “a free-for-all” where “anybody can meet anybody” for a period of time, he said.

However, he encouraged people to judge the risk of their own situations – highlighting that meeting another household which includes someone who is older or more vulnerable to Covid-19 would pose more risk than meeting others who were young and healthy.

261720 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #760 of 2021 🔗

He told BBC Radio 5 Live this would lead to “some increase in risk” of transmission, leading to perhaps a 20 to 25% increase in case numbers.

he’s had his model out again hasn’t he!!

261749 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steve_w, 7, #761 of 2021 🔗

Sorry, I misread that I thought it read ‘todger’ out? I rather believe his ‘model’ is only good for extra marital sex with his married mistress and for masturbating. Probably the only two things he can do to a remotely competent level. Pantsdown is a ridiculous figure. 20-25% increase in transmission for what, say 8 people sitting together around a table. What an arsehole.

261761 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #762 of 2021 🔗

what they have done to this country is so ‘big’ I can’t imagine them realising they made a mistake. the politicians, modellers, SAGE need replacing

262075 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, #763 of 2021 🔗

He’s always getting it out at inappropriate moments and making small children cry.

263091 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve_w, #764 of 2021 🔗

He has a serious addiction.

261740 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to steve_w, 12, #765 of 2021 🔗

Ferguson: sod off! I’m not interested in anything you have to say.

261743 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 20, #766 of 2021 🔗

This guy needs to be locked up. Let us not forget that he himself was breaking the rules with impunity at the height of the first lockdown whilst supposedly having the virus, purely for sexual gratification. The hypocrisy is staggering.

As for the BBC that still provides a platform for this piece of shit, well they need to be shut down. One of the very worst media organisations in the whole world, and they have blood on their hands.

The contempt these psychopaths have for us is limitless. They harbour a visceral hatred of humanity and want us annihilated. Do not underestimate just how vicious they will become when cornered.

261753 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, 12, #767 of 2021 🔗

I emailed my MP this morning telling him to read the literature on stress and the immune system. The govt and BBC have terrorised the population. They have blood on their hands

261771 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 8, #768 of 2021 🔗

Once you accept that the state and its media apparatus is our enemy in a war for the future of humanity, and are a hostile occupying power, then it gets interesting. In a war, nothing is illegal or immoral (forget the Geneva conventions). What we need to learn is that this works both ways.

261976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Richard O, 1, #769 of 2021 🔗

Totally agree.

262079 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, 1, #770 of 2021 🔗

I think that’s why I’ve had 3 colds so far this season, far more than I normally would. I’m stressed and depressed beyond belief. My current one is now into its second week. Long Rhinovirus anyone?

261756 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steve_w, 2, #771 of 2021 🔗

People should start sending Ferguson SPORTS BAGS for Christmas.

261777 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 4, #772 of 2021 🔗

What the f. is happening when a serially failed, hopeless modeler is given airtime to pontificate?

262072 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, #773 of 2021 🔗

WHY CAN’T HE JUST BOG OFF!!!

261725 steve_w, 3, #774 of 2021 🔗
261729 Paul Steward, replying to Paul Steward, 6, #775 of 2021 🔗

So if the Christmas plans prove to be correct, as the husband of a nurse who is working nightshirts on the 24th, 25th and 26th December am I supposed to then drive 300 miles to see our families on the 27th and join the massive traffic queues heading home again the next day on the 28th? Or should we reluctantly accept we can’t see our families as a 600 mile round trip for 24 hours doesn’t seem worth it? Or just break the law and stay longer?! That’s if our family are willing to break the law and host us beyond the cut off date.

261750 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Paul Steward, 16, #776 of 2021 🔗

Anyone trying to strictly adhere to these silly arbitrary guidelines and laws needs help. Even more so at Christmas time, mistletoe and wine.

261787 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #777 of 2021 🔗

Except that psychiatric and mental health services have been reduced due to Covid.

261775 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Paul Steward, 6, #778 of 2021 🔗

So if ‘those in charge’ changed their minds on the 24th would you change yours? Its either a deadly virus or its not

261789 ▶▶▶ Paul Steward, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #779 of 2021 🔗

We would always go! Sadly not sure family members we’d stay with are so happy to do so.

261776 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Paul Steward, 8, #780 of 2021 🔗

Break the law! Assuming your family is OK with it.

261786 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Paul Steward, 12, #781 of 2021 🔗

George Galloway announced on Twitter that he would be going to his recently purchased home in the Scottish borders to carry on renovations. “If stopped and fined, I shall not pay.”

261870 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #782 of 2021 🔗

Stopped clocks and all that, but at last the hard left seem to be waking up.

262071 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Paul Steward, 5, #783 of 2021 🔗

Obviously, break the law and stay longer. It’s what I will be doing. I’m not spending 24 hours stuck on the M3 with a small child and a puppy just to obey something stupid like that. I’m only staying with one family, why is it more dangerous for me to stay for 10 days than it is for 5?

My parents are fully paid up sceptics and don’t give a fig for the rules, so I don’t have any issues on that side.

261744 Alethea, replying to Alethea, 11, #784 of 2021 🔗

I, Dr Alethea Pontifex, hereby announce that I control the movement of the celestial bodies in our solar system.
If I told the sun not to set tonight, it would not do so. If I told the moon not to rise, we would never see it again.
To demonstrate my omnipotence, I have instructed the sun to set this evening, and the moon to rise.
When darkness falls, about four hours from now, you will see the evidence of my mastery of the universe.

261746 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Alethea, 2, #785 of 2021 🔗

Do you do requests? I quite fancy a BBQ.

261810 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #786 of 2021 🔗

Sunshine all day tomorrow. If cloudy down here, the sun will be shining above the clouds. All day.

261747 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #787 of 2021 🔗

All, I’m going to email a friend/colleague later, she is semi sceptic but is waiting for the big V. Does anyone have a link to the contract award for the AI to record adverse reactions??

261778 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #789 of 2021 🔗

Nice one, email going to her later and will include this.

261763 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 15, #790 of 2021 🔗

The media are using the term ‘conspiracy theory’ to silence any debate of the elitist ‘Great Reset’.
THE GREAT RESET IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY! (AND NO ONE LIKES YOU, KLAUS)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3Jrc2ojV4atS/

261790 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Darryl, 8, #791 of 2021 🔗

There are those of us who saw this coming for years and warned others about it while receiving nothing in return but ridicule. The fact it is all playing out exactly as predicted should be vindication, yet the masses still choose to believe the Government and the complicit media no matter how ridiculous this becomes.

The irony is the so-called ‘conspiracy theorists’ have now undoubtedly become the calm and measured people in society, while government Zealots are what can only be described as extremists.

261849 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, 7, #792 of 2021 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution

Our plan

We will work with partners across the globe to reduce regulatory barriers to trade in innovative products and services.

We have established a partnership with the World Economic Forum Centre for the Fourth Industrial Revolution in San Francisco to develop regulatory approaches for new technologies. The partnership work will focus on areas of innovation which align with the UK’s Industrial Strategy Grand Challenges, such as:

AI and machine learning;

autonomous and urban mobility;

drones and tomorrow’s airspace; and

precision medicine

Our collaboration with the World Economic Forum will showcase the regulatory sandboxes, testbeds and labs we have developed in the UK and promote their adoption across the globe.

They’re not hiding it. Any who denies it is ignorant, a liar or both.

261881 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to leggy, 7, #793 of 2021 🔗

I am sure the BBC’s ‘specialist disinformation reporter’ Marianna Spring will still say is is a ‘right wing conspiracy theory’. She is like a modern day Lord Haw-Haw, I assume she is very well rewarded for being such a good liar.

262029 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Darryl, #794 of 2021 🔗

Yes, I am sure that you are right. However, on a happier note, remember what eventually happened to Lord Haw-Haw.

261766 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 38, #795 of 2021 🔗

Well, my concerns have been verified.
Here in El Presidente’s Dictatorship Land that is Scotland, My area is one of the ones placed into El Presidente’s level 4 tiers.

I posted on here last week about me recently passing my HGV Cat C driving test.
I then needed to get my driver CPC initial done & this would enable me to start looking to getting a job.

So, last Tuesday, I managed to get my required CPC initial course booked, which was done 2 hours before the little arsehole announced that my area was going to go into “tier 4”
After she announced that, I phoned the training company to find out if it would still go ahead following the announcement.
They said that as far as they could see, it would still be going ahead on the booked date.

Well, fast forward to 15 minutes or so ago, I just received a phone call from the training company, my course cannot go ahead on the date originally booked due to them being placed into this forced lockdown.

So, it has now been moved to a later date, which again, could be subject to change depending on what the little dictator decides nearer the time.

So, thanks a lot you fucking wee boot!! All because “we need to save just one granny’s life”

As an aside to this, the training company are also pretty angry, as they were starting to get back on their feet again, after 6 months of no income & then boom, they have been shafted again, with a substantial loss of income over this period.

But hey, fuck the normal folks eh? As long as we save just one life!!!!

I am extremely angry right now.

261782 ▶▶ steph, replying to AnotherSceptic, 10, #796 of 2021 🔗

Totally justifiable anger. How do you get rid of your wee dictator and we get rid of our blond nutcase? It’s looking desperate.

261812 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to steph, 6, #797 of 2021 🔗

I wish that I knew the answer to that Steph, but the majority here in dictatorship land seem to be just accepting it all.

261822 ▶▶ Ben, replying to AnotherSceptic, 10, #798 of 2021 🔗

Sturgeon bangs on about independence and behaves exactly like every other globalist politician that’s beholden to Gates, Pharma, the banks etc

She could have done a Sweden and been radically independent. That way Scotland’s economy and the health of its people would be healthy. But of course, we’re under attack from the WEF et al. That’s what’s happening

261873 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 9, #799 of 2021 🔗

She is a puppet and you are right if she truly wants independence she could of done the complete opposite and done nothing and come out of it smelling of roses, now she just smells of and is full of shit and bile.

261841 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 10, #800 of 2021 🔗

Totally understand the anger. I’m learning to drive this year and the constant threat of cancelled lessons/tests, when there’s already a massive backlog is just awful, especially because I’m paying for all of my learning. These twat dictators have absolutely no idea how ordinary people lead their lives.

261804 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #802 of 2021 🔗

I wish they would stop paying lip service to the law and just announce that we no longer have any rights. At least that would be honest.

262516 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #803 of 2021 🔗

Honest, but less confusing/contradictory/dichotomous.

261798 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #804 of 2021 🔗

Just reading the “freedom pass” nonsense:

To earn the freedom pass …
The certificate would be stored on a phone , according to sources, and would allow people to live a relatively normal life…
‘They will allow someone to wander down the streets , and if someone else asks why they are not wearing a mask, they can show the card, letter or an App.’

FFS!!!

And here’s the dead giveaway:
You need to be tested twice a week? Actually, no:

*unt’s proposal suggests far less testing, however, with calls for Britons to be tested just once a month before being given their certificates.

How long is the incubation period for this “deadly” virus, that we’re supposedly trying to “control”?

They obviously expect some resistance to this very bendy carrot:
The Behavioural Insights team, also known as the ‘Nudge Unit’, also suggested lotteries at testing centres and paying for people’s travel if they go to get tested.

Lost for words!

261799 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #805 of 2021 🔗

The whole thing sounds like a nudge.

263095 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #806 of 2021 🔗

Everybody join Christian Scientists. Problem solved.

261801 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #807 of 2021 🔗

I’m not doing it full stop, regardless. It’s simple really, in my mind at least…, basically once businesses start losing customers due to people refusing to do it they’ll be a backlash and it’ll stop (assuming they ever even manage to try and implement it).

261809 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #808 of 2021 🔗

The Behavioural Insights Team are common or garden fascists

261817 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #809 of 2021 🔗

Nothing to do with health, purely about control. We’ve been saying this for 9 months.

261820 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #810 of 2021 🔗

Let’s simplify it. If you want to be allowed out you have to have your papers with you and if challenged you have to show them. Sound familiar?

261856 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #811 of 2021 🔗

A certificate for a virus that has a 99.6% survival rate. You couldn’t make it up.

261860 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #812 of 2021 🔗

It was the proposal of ‘lotteries’ that really caught my attention. It really is like communist Russia/Ukraine, where they were given pro-government games for short-change “rewards”.

261957 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #813 of 2021 🔗

Yep, they can fuck off.

262054 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #814 of 2021 🔗

It does remind me of signing on the dole. There will also be a mass of petty rules surrounding this medical- technocratic discipline of ‘getting tested.’

Indirect social control is implemented by small, seemingly trivial rules at the level of everyday life. (Foucault analysed the mechanisms of power in Discipline and Punish ). This is why the current rules are so contradictory. It actually works in the favour of the authoritarian agency to have tiny unfathomable regulations for us to follow.

In the 70s when on ‘supplementary benefit’ single parents were worried about visits from an official to check there was only one toothbrush in the bathroom.

The good thing is that people always find tactical and creative ways to evade restrictive practices and take back control.

262063 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #815 of 2021 🔗

There really is no hope for humanity at this stage.

Hey, if you let us invade your brain space with a cotton bud, we’ll let you do things that humans have been “allowed” to do from the dawn of time until 24th March 2020. You can even walk down the street! And while you’re here you can do some gambling. Gambling is good! Your chances of winning are about 1000000000 times lower than your chances of dying from the virus you’ve come here to be tested for, but you’ll definitely win! Just like you’ll definitely die if you let someone without a Freedom Pass come near you! Roll up roll up!

261805 Ben, replying to Ben, 9, #816 of 2021 🔗

It seems as if the paper trail always leads back to Bill and Melinda Gates

https://twitter.com/9thfloor/status/1330834380546248710?s=20

261865 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Ben, 5, #817 of 2021 🔗

Also from that link one of the people working on vaccine is on committee that will approve it, definitely no conflict of interest there!

262012 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to dpj, #818 of 2021 🔗

Also someone posted yesterday about the safety authority which will check the vaccine. It was awarded a huge grant from the Gates foundation in 2017

I don’t know why we are surprised about all the interconnected people in power networks …. public health, global health, global tech companies and all the usual super wealthy suspects will be in Lausanne next year all parroting what each other say is best for the future of the world.

261807 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #819 of 2021 🔗

All been said before I know, but just seen the bus from Kidderminster to Ludlow going through Cleobury Mortimer with just 1 passenger on board and she was wearing a face nappy; at least the driver was maskless

261896 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #820 of 2021 🔗

I kid you not, but yesterday I saw a bloke driving a convertible – on his own with the top down – fully face-nappied.

261954 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Alexei, 2, #821 of 2021 🔗

But but but nasty virus particles could be leaving his gob at 50 mph without the nappy, who knows where they may end up. Fortunately he cares about grannies.
Wanker.

261973 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Alexei, 1, #822 of 2021 🔗

The ones doing that in enclosed cars must the biggest sheep imaginable.

262500 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Fingerache Philip., #823 of 2021 🔗

I was in Ludlow yesterday and I was (very slightly) encouraged. I went into two shops without a mask, ignored the hand irritant, and was made very welcome. Then I wandered around the centre and along the river and saw knots of people chatting and drinking coffee. The looked livelier than it has done for a while. On the down side, there were two pairs of lurchers and leapers near Ludford Bridge.

261808 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 7, #824 of 2021 🔗

Good article on the UK establishments war on the people and how the increased military spending on AI will only make the situation worse in the future.

Prohibition And Covid-19; Part One: War On The People http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/11/prohibition-and-covid-19-part-one-war-on-the-people/

‘the British Army (77th Brigade) has been waging psychological warfare upon the British people as if they were a population conquered in a war, and under military occupation. Moreover, on the streets, with the use of its militia, or the police, UK Government has been seeing how much it can get away with in terms of treating the people as if they were an occupied population’

261826 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Darryl, 2, #825 of 2021 🔗

You should probably watch this if you haven’t seen it already. Details the military grade electronic propaganda capabilites (now being sold in the commercial space):

Shadow Gate 2 0 Full Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfuamV97B_Q

Also see this fantastic article by Emma Briant at Essex Uni:

http://repository.essex.ac.uk/21204/1/final%20proofs%20-%20accepted%20-%20corrected%20errors%20Dec.pdf

“Abstract:

This article presents qualitative research examining adaptation to global asymmetric threats and a modern media environment of US Government propaganda systems by planners following 9-11, which proceeded largely unhindered by public debate.

It draws on interviews with US elite sources including foreign policy, defense and intelligence personnel and documentary sources to explore how dissent was contained.

A ‘merging’ of Psychological Operations and Public Affairs has been identified as a point of concern elsewhere and is argued to have facilitated the extension of US hegemony. It will present an account of the struggles between 2005 and 2009 when planners sought to alter ‘foreign’ and ‘domestic’ audience targeting norms that emerged in an old-media system of sovereign states with more stable populations.

It focuses on a key example of transformation: the pressing through of internet policy changes for military Psychological Operations and Public Affairs, against resistance. Policies were brought in to coordinate and overcome discordance in foreigndomestic messaging by Psychological Operations and Information Operations personnel.

Viewed as operational necessity for Psychological Operations, these resulted in a ‘terf war’ with Public Affairs who constructed a defence using discourses of legitimacy and credibility with domestic audiences.

This article will show how concerns raised by Public Affairs were met by the reduction of their planning role, until a culture change and new orthodoxy emerged.

Challenges raised by evolving media demand a reappraisal of propaganda governance and governments must allow greater transparency for public debate, legal judgement and independent academic enquiry to occur.”

This is what we are up against.

261871 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #826 of 2021 🔗

Thanks, will check it out. The psychological control tools they have now are frightening.

Always thought the British military would resist attacking their fellow citizens given that the military is held in high regard in this country – the betrayal by parts of the military really surprised and saddened me, I thought the Generals would resist enslaving us.

The police, particularly at senior level, have been a lost cause for years so not the slightest bit surprised in their behaviour. After all they worked for the Nazis in the Channel Islands to round up dissenters and undesirables. Can’t ever imagine them not just blindly following orders.

261908 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Darryl, 2, #827 of 2021 🔗

Certainly worth checking out, pretty eye-watering stuff.

By and large the British Military would likely draw the line at attack its own citizens, certainly if you’re talking about your average squaddie, but the electronic warefare types are cut from a different cloth entirely.

261813 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 18, #828 of 2021 🔗

“… uncertainty among officials about how to navigate an exit from the pandemic.”

The understatement of the year.

Those freedom passes are an insult to and an assault upon us and our natural born rights.
And that would still be the case, if the basis for them had been sorted out, which it hasn’t, namely the testing part of them.
Neither the PCR tests not the antibody or quick ones are standardized or reliable.
As such, their results are useless, arbitrary, like playing the lottery and pure chicanery.

Testing is not a solution, it is THE problem!

261852 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #829 of 2021 🔗

Well said. Testing is what is creating this horror show.

261816 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 9, #830 of 2021 🔗

This mornings news we may be ‘allowed’ to have family at Christmas looks like it will be in England. Yet again the the wee scottish dictator and you can add the Welsh one, have NOT agreed to ‘allow’ us to have anyone in at Christmas.

They’re stalling. The usual this virus is deadly and we need to take care gumph.

I hope she bloody doesn’t give anything and let’s the majority of Scots see what an evil dictator she is and the Scottish people get their heads out of the sand and stand up to this crap.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55040576

261839 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Just about sane, 4, #831 of 2021 🔗

our in laws are in edinburgh. hoping they can spend xmas with us in Bucks

261884 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Just about sane, 12, #832 of 2021 🔗

I’m busting out of Krankiestan to see my big brother and new baby nephew in Gloucestershire, whatever that mad auld cow says.

261942 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to GorbalsGirl, 1, #833 of 2021 🔗

Nice, whereabouts in Glos out of interest?

261961 ▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to DRW, 2, #834 of 2021 🔗

Some country cottage in the leafy lanes around Cirencester! It’s really beautiful round there. My big brother is moving back to the UK from the German canton of Switzerland to be closer to our family. I totally wouldn’t bother if I was him, he’s gonna be shocked at how mad everything is here.

261970 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to GorbalsGirl, 1, #835 of 2021 🔗

Ciren, lovely. Sounds like you’ll enjoy my home county. I think your brother might soon be reconsidering that.

262550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to DRW, #836 of 2021 🔗

Thanks! I’m booked in to stay at a 15th century pub/coach-house nearby, so looking forward to seeing my family and sitting with a wee whisky by the pub fireside and reading some spooky ghost stories before bed! Unless there are other lockdown refugees to chat with of course 🙂

I think we all need to be as Christmassy as possible this year – spending time with family and friends, lighting pretty candles, and eating/drinking gluttonously. That way we can remind these dour-faced mask-botherers that we don’t give a stuff about their hysterical doom-mongering and we’re going to enjoy living our lives whatever pathetic threats they make.

261821 Mel, replying to Mel, 34, #837 of 2021 🔗

Had another try at my MP. Hopes arent high.

This is utter nonsense. The case numbers and hospitalisation rate was falling everywhere prior to this lockdown. It was completely unnecessary. Barnsley Hospital was busy, but there was space in Sheffield Teaching Hospital Trust and in other local hospitals. This should be a job for normal NHS surge capacity planning, NOT plunging whole communities into lockdown to protect healthcare, which was not overwhelmed even at the height of the peak in March and April. The issue in the Northern regions at the start of the autumn is down to the highly seasonal nature of the virus, and the fact that actually our region was not hit very hard in the first wave at all, so still had very limited community immunity. Using patient capacity at Barnsley General, which was already in Tier 3, as a reason to put us into a national lockdown sounds extremely stupid, and as I don’t think you are stupid I can only assume that the real reason was political expediency.

On the second point – this is not a short term lockdown. People and businesses have been under severe restrictions of one type or another since MARCH – and the “exit” from national lockdown looks set to put more and more of the country under tier restrictions that amount to lockdown in all but name. You talk about easing of restrictions soon. This is a country where it has been ILLEGAL to hug a relative if you don’t live with them for nine months and there are currently NO PLANS to ease that restriction. This is inhuman. All to “save Granny”, as if Granny is a pet who has no opinions or agency of her own. The Granny in our family was active in the church, and is fit, healthy and loves nothing more than meeting friends and playing 18 holes of golf. She is vehemently opposed to lockdown because of the damaging impact on society and physical and mental health. Who are you to tell her she is wrong? There is a lady in her 90’s who lives on the bottom of our street, who is standing out in her garden in all weathers just to have someone to talk to, and was lamenting to me the other day that she is no longer picked up for coffee mornings and doesn’t get to see her friends. She can’t drive, she can’t walk more than halfway up the street without a walking frame, and she wants what is left of her life back. Who are you to tell her she is wrong? My next door neighbour has been recently told that her thyroid cancer has returned for the fourth time and is now inoperable. If her daughter visits her at home, that is illegal and I am supposed to report it. Who are you to tell them they can’t enjoy time together in what may be the last few months of life left to them?

I know only 3 people who have any substantial illness from COVID 19, and nobody who has died from it. I know 4 people who have died from cancer since March and had the end of their lives blighted by these heartless restrictions. I know people who have been made redundant, people who have been reduced to four day weeks, people who have had their businesses closed, that are unlikely ever to reopen. You are sucking all the joy out of life and replacing it with a poor, shuffling existence and telling us it is for our own good. You are wrong.

Most of us are at extremely low risk of serious illness, and even those who are at risk should be allowed to decide for themselves what risks they are prepared to take as a trade off for a life that is actually worth living.

Given the increasing authoritarianism coming from government, and the complete lack of any meaningful opposition from so called opposition parties, it would appear that our only hope for release from this health tyranny is the conscience of individual conservative MPs. Do you have one, or are you prepared to look at the tsunami of social harm, unemployment, misery and despair that is unleashed by every further restriction, and decide to “let it rip”. Lockdown enthusiasts do not hold the moral high ground. The government must produce detailed cost benefit analysis of the measures it is taken, along with robust evidence that any of these measures work. How often do the modellers have to be catastrophically wrong before we stop listening to them? What would it actually take for you to stand up and be counted as against the harms of lockdown?

Our lives do not belong to the state, and neither do our deaths.

261837 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mel, 13, #838 of 2021 🔗

If he responded honestly, it would go something like this:

I appreciate that you are suffering terribly, but there is nothing I can do. The forces we are up against are the most terrifying I have ever seen. I and every single one of my colleagues have received death threats to their entire families, and this is why Parliament has been so supine. The MPs that you have heard speaking out are doing so purely to give the impression that there is some resistance. In reality there is none. You are on your own I’m afraid.

262494 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #839 of 2021 🔗

This could well be the case. 🙂

261859 ▶▶ steph, replying to Mel, 1, #840 of 2021 🔗

Brilliant. Can I copy parts of it?

261864 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to steph, 2, #841 of 2021 🔗

Yes of course

261900 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Mel, 3, #842 of 2021 🔗

Superb powerful letter Mel, only the most heartless, hypocritical,evil MP could ignore that!

Oh,
Wait a minute,
Damn.

262059 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Mel, 1, #843 of 2021 🔗

Thanks I used this in my latest letter to my MP adding and tailoring personal bits. Also added link to Daily mail article from Saturday and their vindication piece today on the DOH. Don’t hold out much hope as he hasn’t responded so far, but made me feel better for sending it.

261823 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 22, #844 of 2021 🔗

Imagine if every time you talked about flu (or any other cause of death) you were given the running total since records began for no real reason than to make it sound bad.

261840 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nobody2020, 15, #845 of 2021 🔗

Imagine if all hospital admissions, regardless of reason for admission, were tested for flu viruses, and were automatically reclassified as ‘flu cases’ if any were found.

261835 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Jeremy, 7, #847 of 2021 🔗

Another conspiracy fact eh? I’ll add it to the list.

261855 ▶▶ Will, replying to Jeremy, 2, #848 of 2021 🔗

I don’t think they will get away with such restrictions on UK or EU travellers. I think the lawyers will rip such an idea to shreds.

261885 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Will, 2, #849 of 2021 🔗

The lawyers will, but what’s needed in popular support for the lawyers for them to get anything implemented in reality. Our mission is to talk to people one at a time, not to convert covicultists but to locate activists. Get people from a position of grumbling to a position of saying No and doing something about it.

261998 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Jeremy, #850 of 2021 🔗

yes, they have been ahead of the game with all of this, many of them for years seeing the building of the tendrils of this monstor

262002 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to right2question, 1, #851 of 2021 🔗

Conspiracy theorist is the new name for ‘dissident’

262104 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Jeremy, #852 of 2021 🔗

So let me get this straight. If I’m an Aussie and decide that my criminal government has made my life so unbearable that I want to end it all, then before I board my flight to Dignitas in Switzerland I have to have a negative covid test, a vaccination or two and wear a face mask for 12 hours to keep me safe until I get there.

May you live in interesting times.

261829 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #853 of 2021 🔗

Lockdown zones – Toronto:

“Officials have said that regions will remain in their zone for a minimum of 28 days. This means that Toronto and Peel will be under lockdown until at least Dec. 21.

Places of worship will be restricted to 10 people indoors and 10 people outdoors. This applies to religious services, weddings and funerals.

The restrictions would effectively mean worshipers in those regions would be prevented from praying inside and would instead have to travel to another region or attend services virtually

They have updated the ‘enforcements’:

The fines for failing to practise physical distancing in a park, beach or public square range from a ticket for $1000 up to a maximum of $5000.Close contacts must isolate for 14 days after their last contact with someone who is diagnosed with COVID-19.

Failure to comply with the order is subject to a fine of up to $5,000 for every day or part of each day on which the offence occurs or continues.

Fines for individual organizers of events that violate gathering rules are a minimum of $10,000. Fines for those attending are $750. Additional fines for violating provincial orders can range from $750 to $100,000, including up to one year in jail, and $10,000,000 for a corporation.”

261850 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 8, #854 of 2021 🔗

Mother fuckers. They might just as well have announced the following:

The fine for being human is $10,000,000 “.

261990 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to calchas, #855 of 2021 🔗

My sister in Montreal was told last week lockdown until Jan 11th but allowed to meet up 25,26 and 27 Dec

261843 Bugle, 4, #856 of 2021 🔗

Fibber Johnson on TV again tonight. Looking forward to ignoring him.

261846 Pater Rolf Hermann Lingen, replying to Pater Rolf Hermann Lingen, #857 of 2021 🔗

“Churches go Underground”? Some claim that “the Catholic Church” is a leading force of the new world order, as “the pope” and several “bishops” support ideas of world government, mandatory vaccination, social distancing etc. Truth is: The sect of “Vatican 2” is indeed a motor of the new order – search for “novus ordo” and “sedevacantism”.

261909 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Pater Rolf Hermann Lingen, #858 of 2021 🔗

Except for the bishop/archbishop they put into some obscure place, but who wrote to Donald Trump about it. Viggiano might have been his name.
Too bad the other churches didn’t speak out sooner about this. It’s been known for a long time by those few brave souls who have been battling the ‘man made climate change’ scam

261851 calchas, 1, #859 of 2021 🔗

Dr Battar – mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns and the debt rest, with Canada as an example. 8 minutes

https://parler.com/post/16b4f901fcb44fdd914633676209281e

261853 Dan Clarke, 3, #860 of 2021 🔗

Hancock, like Khan, is now wearing his mandarin collar jacket under his western jacket

261854 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 15, #861 of 2021 🔗

Final letter to my MP (He’s probably over the moon!)

Dear *

Having left the Conservative party earlier this year following the imposition of facemasks, the continued ruination of our economy and guidance by blinkered ‘experts’ it is with a heavy heart I write to you for the last time. My final points to you:

  1. The Conservative party on its current course will never get my vote again.
  1. If * cannot persuade central government that our area doesn’t need ‘Tier 2’ restrictions let alone ‘Tier 1’ then I will not vote for Anthony in local or national elections until his removal.
  1. Do not believe the polls. They are warped by the Governments near total propaganda, plus Furlough insulating many from the reality of closing our economy. Local, on the ground opinion is against any restrictions. The country as a whole is ignoring them because there’s more to life than CV19. Indeed, we are not here to save the NHS – we are here to live.
  1. Do not vote for more restrictions until you’ve seen a fully published cost benefit analysis of lockdown. Afterall, how could you vote for it without that knowledge anyway?
  1. Finally, please ask * to raise concerns over a ‘freedom pass’. The speed in which we have turned into a totalitarian state (even being granted the luxury of seeing family over Christmas!) is shocking.

I made a feature film some years ago about Hohenshonhausen Stasi prison in East Berlin. I thought at the time how terrible it was for protesters to be imprisoned just for having a belief in something the GDR thought dangerous. Then we started locking up ‘Anti-lockdown protesters’ many of whom have lost jobs, homes and hope.

Please consider the local economy. Having watched numerous clients of my business go under, I have to now grapple with paying my bills.

Good luck. I look forward to seeing your name on the CRG list of MPs who not only have a conscience, but also intelligence.

All the best,

Lord R

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com

(I didn’t link the podcast plus all the points did have a different number!)

261874 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 10, #862 of 2021 🔗

The Conservative party on its current course will never get my vote again.

Sorry to say it, but this will mean nothing to any MP. There are not going to be free and fair elections again in this country for a very long time, and I suspect most of them are fully aware of this.

261866 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 7, #863 of 2021 🔗

Not that I am one but are the vaccines vegan? I understand many are not but may become one if necessary.

261868 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan, 2, #864 of 2021 🔗

no. they are made from a mixture of pig and cow blood

261930 ▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to steve_w, #865 of 2021 🔗

Eat black pudding and stay as fit as a butcher’s dog.

262138 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Tiberius, #866 of 2021 🔗

A Syrian Muslim family I know & the whole local Syrian community appear to have not allowed their kids to have various vaccines because they believe they’re cultured with some element of pig. I’ve no idea if it’s true or not.

262148 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to NickR, #867 of 2021 🔗

Dog tissue is a component of some vaccines, I believe. Probably just as unacceptable to Muslims. Foetal cell-line materials and nano-particles are just as unacceptable to me.

263104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bugle, #868 of 2021 🔗

Join up with the Muslims and anybody else that wants nothing to do with this vaccine BS.

262324 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, 1, #869 of 2021 🔗

On a serious note, it will be interesting to see whether ‘my body my choice’ supporters of abortion say the same thing about mandatory vaccines.

261886 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 1, #870 of 2021 🔗

It’s made from the Cerebellum of a Bison

261887 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Sarigan, 3, #871 of 2021 🔗

lung tissue from abortions.

261935 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to calchas, 1, #872 of 2021 🔗

Yes I heard that. Also kicked puppy tears.

261894 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan, 1, #873 of 2021 🔗

Aren’t they using some variety of shark oil?

261913 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DRW, 1, #874 of 2021 🔗

ground up pangolin, mink and bat are the major ingredients

261987 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to DRW, #875 of 2021 🔗

Yes; squalene.

261993 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to RichardJames, #876 of 2021 🔗

Shark Lives Matter

261925 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Sarigan, 3, #877 of 2021 🔗

Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg and howlet’s wing

261966 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #878 of 2021 🔗

All good then, I shall become vegan and refuse on those grounds.

261967 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Sarigan, #879 of 2021 🔗

omg no, very very far from vegan !!!!!!!!!

261985 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Sarigan, 2, #880 of 2021 🔗

I apologise for being uncertain as to whether you are a “sir” or “madam”, but you, madam/sir are a genius of the utmost brilliance!

What an unbreakable get-out!

261869 Ned of the Hills, 11, #881 of 2021 🔗

Re. the Japanese protestor above.

My Japanese friend has informed me it:-

コロナは茶番=Korona wa Chaban; Means ‘Corona is a Joke (Fake News)’

(Imagine having to learn those charecters as a child!)

261872 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #882 of 2021 🔗

Just re-reading the WHO definition of a ‘pandemic’:

” A pandemic is defined as a global epidemic caused by a new (influenza) virus to which there is little or no pre-existing immunity in the human population”

As has been said before, this dodges the question of symptom severity. But I’d not noticed the key words ‘a global epidemic’.

Now – in the UK, an epidemic is defined as an incidence of 40 cases per 10,000 population in the community.

Even during the April spike, the incidence of Covid-19 never reached that level (which actually fits in with the common subjective perceptions of people asked about who they knew who had suffered the virus).

No ‘epidemic’ means no ‘pandemic’.

Unless … unless … you start bending the data and over-attributing deaths to one cause.

Sound familiar?

261877 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 5, #883 of 2021 🔗

Listen to Reiner Fuellmich. I’ve lost the links in my non-existent filing system, but he’s seen the change in definition.

261891 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Rosie, #884 of 2021 🔗

Do you know when he is presenting his class action to the courts!

261901 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #885 of 2021 🔗

I’m told that the first PCR case begins today in Germany. I’m in touch with people who are following the case there as best they can despite MSM blackout. Will report more info when I hear it.

261944 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, #886 of 2021 🔗

Please do. Any timeline currently?

262026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #887 of 2021 🔗

no. They’re battling hard, that’s all I know. Our role is to get public opposition to lockdown motivated

262032 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Rosie, 1, #888 of 2021 🔗

Thanks Rosie.

261876 Rosie, 3, #889 of 2021 🔗

Hi people.
Thanks for the quotable quotes yesterday. We must KBO.
My own support group is crumbling now. The few are getting fewer.

OK, today’s question: I can remember what the Covid Recovery Group is – but was there another group of people who came together to pool resources? I urgently need a professional illustrator for my latest leaflet.

261880 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 11, #890 of 2021 🔗

I’ve never been an early adopter of technology because I know the newest smartphones on the market are more often than not riddled with bugs in the software. This is often due to time constraints and having to meet a deadline for product launch.

After release there will usually be numerous patches to fix the bugs. This is all pretty standard stuff.

For this reason I will often buy a slightly older model where I know a lot of the bugs have been fixed. It’s also a lot cheaper but let’s not add to the Scottish stereotype.

My personal view on the upcoming vaccines is that they will be relatively safe. Why do I think this? Because they don’t actually have to do much to protect against what I view as a relatively benign virus. The ease with which they have been developed suggests to me that it wasn’t particularly complicated. I’ve said before that it’s not a miracle if everyone and their dog can do it.

However, as per my view on new technology I’m quite happy to wait for others to go before me so that any “bugs” can be ironed out before I decide to take it.

Note that I am totally against mandatory vaccination, particularly for a virus with less than 1% mortality rate. If they mandate it for this and people accept it then they are basically accepting mandatory vaccination for anything above the baseline that is set.

261918 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #891 of 2021 🔗

Leaving aside safety and ethical issues with the vaccines (which are massive) the other issue is that it gives cover for governments and allows them to say the lockdowns were worth it, the virus really was terrible, and leaves the door open and the bar set low for the next novel or mutated virus, and no lesson is learned.

261941 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 2, #892 of 2021 🔗

The low bar means masks forever

261953 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 2, #893 of 2021 🔗

And we’ll be going through this all over again when the next virus appears. LD “until there’s a vaccine” will be the new orthodoxy.

261980 ▶▶ right2question, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #894 of 2021 🔗

that’s right, if people accept the mandatory covid vacc that is accepting the right of the governement to do what the hell they like with our own and our children’s bodies whenever and for whatever reason they like, coz that’s what it is right now, there is no reason whatsoever right now as we all know !!!!!!!! if they gave advice of vit d etc hcq etc plus already enough immunity which is long term. it’s all just opportunist crap by an immoral bunch of control freaks who’ve been dreaming of all of this for many years. minimum 5 years ago WHO writing about wanting vaccination of all adults. ‘medicine’ – actually, industry! already have more than 150 new vaccines in the pipeline. the money they make let alone want to make through a never ending expansion of their markets, coz that’s all we are seen as, is astronomical.

261883 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #895 of 2021 🔗

Mention the Great Reset and be labelled a conspiracy theorist. Video of Anna Brees and electronic billboards in Wales promoting the Great Reset. I haven’t seen any of these billboards myself

https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1313826871017172992?s=20

261983 ▶▶ anon, replying to Ben, #896 of 2021 🔗

spooky

261888 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 30, #897 of 2021 🔗

My latest letter to MP:

Please say no to this nightmare new normal

Dear Ellie

Writing again to urge you and your fellow MPs to assert yourselves on the side of what is right.

The future is almost here now, of no faces, no human interaction, no joy no dancing no music, parties or hope.

Of total state control where we have no access to society without accepting an invasive inaccurate test and routine injection/vaccination with nobody knows what. There’s a D notice on a massive government contract for full Chinese style control. My friend recorded the information if you want to know the details.

This cannot be the life that you want for yourself nor for your own children. You come across as a thoroughly decent person. Please wake up.

I have older friends who are horrified by what they see of the future, relieved for themselves to have lived their own life but their blood runs cold for their grandchildren. In particular elderly friends of friends in Germany who recognise this from their early childhood and the rise there of totalitarian awfulness.

Please vote against the Conservative administration and work to restore the old normal. When you are older you will want to look back on yourself with pride, to be able to say that you did what you could.

Covid is 19th on the reasons for dying and the average age of death is 83. It’s not the killer that the government and the BBC are telling you. It’s just another cold/flu virus. Other ways of dying affect younger people more. There are no excess deaths this year. There’s no reason for anything to have changed from this time last year. We all need our lives back.

Regards
Rosie

261892 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rosie, 7, #898 of 2021 🔗

Excellent letter. Do you have any more information on this D notice that you could share here?

261897 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 3, #899 of 2021 🔗

No, because the lady who was sharing this info here was banned for doing so. She has retained the information on her computer, and that’s all I know.

261910 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Rosie, #900 of 2021 🔗

do the free speech union know about this?

261912 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to anon, 1, #901 of 2021 🔗

Yes

262313 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, #902 of 2021 🔗

She was banned from LockDowSceptics ?

261906 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Rosie, 2, #903 of 2021 🔗

Excellent letter Rosie, the only change I would make is to add the letters ‘unl’ before the word ‘awfulness’.

261965 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Rosie, 1, #904 of 2021 🔗

Hi – “ There’s a D notice on a massive government contract for full Chinese style control.”
Do you have a link to any info on that?

261995 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Rosie, #905 of 2021 🔗

I think it’s moved up from 19th position now

261893 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #906 of 2021 🔗

According to an article in the Guardian CO2 levels are rising despite a near global lockdown. We’re DOOMED. As St Greta said us oldies will die of old age she’ll die of climate change. So humanity is to be wiped out and about time to, nasty species anyway.

261914 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #907 of 2021 🔗

St Greta said us oldies will die of old age she’ll die of climate change .”

Did she really say that? I quickly recognised her as a hysterical, immature, foolish zealot from the comments I saw from her early on, but that really would be taking it to a new level of stupidity and manipulative hysteria.

262039 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Mark, 1, #908 of 2021 🔗

Yes, she had it on a poster during one of her “school” boycotts. However, she cannot boycott her special school as the pupils don’t have to attend classes if they’re not emotionally up to attending.

261916 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #909 of 2021 🔗

A species which places its energy policy in the hands of a mentally ill, malnourished autistic child probably deserves to become extinct.

261923 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #910 of 2021 🔗

The first seven words immediately discredits that statement.

261926 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, #911 of 2021 🔗

Haha, normally DRW – but CO2 levels are continuing to rise, good thing too, because the oceans are offgassing it. It’s a delayed reaction to a long-term warming trend, unfortunately probably now over.

263107 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rosie, #912 of 2021 🔗

Piers Corbyn says that we are headed for a cooling period.

261948 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Smelly Melly, #913 of 2021 🔗

Chinese domestic air travel is now back to expansion year on year.

262006 ▶▶ alw, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #914 of 2021 🔗

Of course it’s gone up. Public transport limited and ridiculous cycle lanes among other things what do you expect.

262041 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to alw, #915 of 2021 🔗

I wonder how much mask production contributes?

262044 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #916 of 2021 🔗

Also, everyone sitting in their own home with their own lights and heating on, rather than sharing heat and light in an office building.

262034 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #917 of 2021 🔗

I thought we were all going to die of Covid?

If lockdown hasn’t arrested the CO2 rise, shouldn’t the Guardian support the spread of a deadly virus (with immunity guaranteed to Guardian readers of course)? Reduce the population of those pesky humans a bit?

261899 Dan Clarke, 5, #918 of 2021 🔗

Dining out will become like an Extreme Sport, where you can take the RISK of catching a virus which not many catch.

261903 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 10, #919 of 2021 🔗

I don’t know if there are any practitioners of the Wiccan religion on this forum, but if so it could be a good time to promote your beliefs. I understand that the No.1 Xmas gift on Amazon this year is the Matt Hancock doll with accompanying box of pins.

262022 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Old Bill, 1, #920 of 2021 🔗

What a great idea. Should be simple to make then pin a photo of them on the doll. Never mind about using pins 6in nails more like it!

261905 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #921 of 2021 🔗
261907 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #922 of 2021 🔗

Old news I’m afraid.

261946 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Anothersceptic2, #923 of 2021 🔗

But confirmed via the latest announcements.

261911 Peter, replying to Peter, 25, #924 of 2021 🔗

These new rules for the hospitality industry are a clear and blatant assault on the English way of life. SAGE is packed to the rafters with puritanical, far-left medics who despise the notion of people enjoying themselves, drinking alcohol and eating whatever food they choose. Restrictions on sale of alcohol in supermarkets and off licenses is coming in the New Year. They want nothing more than to control everything that you put in your body, as this makes people “healthier” and reduces pressure on healthcare systems, meaning less work for them and their NHS comrades to do, all the while self-promoting what heroes they are to secure yet another inflation-busting, wholly undeserved pay rise.

261915 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Peter, 6, #925 of 2021 🔗

^^^This^^^

261920 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Peter, 10, #926 of 2021 🔗

a clear and blatant assault on the English way of life.

Yes, if you look back over the last few decades, you can see that there is a single organising principle: every change is an assault on our way of life: home, garden & family – high educational standards – a broad and well educated population – truthfulness with responsibility checks and balances, with a spirit of public service – musical traditions and all the arts – pubs and social clubs

261940 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Rosie, 12, #927 of 2021 🔗

Rosie – the left (both those in charges and the noveau lefties amongst the general public) simply loathe the concept of “Englishness” and will do everything they can to destroy it. So many people I know are born and bred in England, with English parents but describe themselves as British – despite the fact there is no such thing as being British. Can you imagine a Scot, a Welshie or an Irishman describing themselves as British…wouldn’t ever happen. The BBC has a huge part to play in this, demonising anything that remotely involves national pride. They are so desperate to depict anyone or anything English as a street fighting, bulldog tattoed football hooligan whose one desire in life is to chuck plastic patio furnite at “foreigners” that they have become lost in hatred of their own history.

261937 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Peter, 1, #928 of 2021 🔗

Do you have a link for the proposed restrictions on alcohol sales?

261945 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Richard O, #929 of 2021 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/22/pubs-restaurants-hit-new-covid-restrictions-shops-churches/

Shouldn’t be behind the paywall, but essentially unless you are in Tier 1 pubs will only be able to serve booze with meals.

261921 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #930 of 2021 🔗

Chris Whitty, about the Oxford vaccine; “This is a very encouraging step forward.

I would like to say a huge thank you to those who volunteered and the researchers around the country.

The regulators will now do their independent analysis for safety and efficacy but this is another important advance. https://t.co/Iz1ZEzJ7x7
— Professor Chris Whitty (@CMO_England) November 23, 2020

Did he volunteer?

261932 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Tenchy, 11, #931 of 2021 🔗

Apparently Handcock has volunteered to take an early jab. I’ve asked Anthony Joshua if he’s free.

261982 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tiberius, #932 of 2021 🔗

As if he’ll be getting the actual thing.

261986 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to DRW, 1, #933 of 2021 🔗

people will still believe it

the boy who cried wolf. that’s a myth right?

262015 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tenchy, #934 of 2021 🔗

Hah like he’ll he did. I doubt any of them are having it.

261922 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 14, #935 of 2021 🔗

Keep going everyone. Don’t crumble.

When the going gets tough …. get going, everyone

261960 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Rosie, 3, #936 of 2021 🔗

It is very difficult considering what we’re up against. We have to try to hold onto the good news.

262021 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, 3, #937 of 2021 🔗

You’re still here. Well done and keep going

262048 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Rosie, #938 of 2021 🔗

For now. If they actually get as far as they want it will be over for me.

262053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, 2, #939 of 2021 🔗

and for all of us, DRW. We’ve nothing left to lose and might as well go down fighting

261924 petgor, replying to petgor, 29, #940 of 2021 🔗

It never ceases to amaze how, under normal circumstances the general public have a healthy skepticism toward politicians, but now that very same public seem to have taken the government at its snake oil word on anything and everything that it says. .

261927 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to petgor, 11, #941 of 2021 🔗

Fear and psychological abuse

261929 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to petgor, 9, #942 of 2021 🔗

Say the pollsters.

261931 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 32, #943 of 2021 🔗

Fascism was announced on 23 March 2020 and made law on 25 March 2020 with barely a whimper of protest. A cabal of ministers and their experts have executed a coup d’etat and rule by decree in the name of using (pseudo) science to combat an allegedly deadly virus, which has zero effect on mortality.

261933 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #944 of 2021 🔗

I was about to say, don’t you mean coup d’etat? But coup de’rat might have been what you actually meant since I think it sums the vermin in parliament up quite nicely.

261943 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cicatriz, 11, #945 of 2021 🔗

An opposition that agrees with everything the government does is reminiscent of nothing so much as the opposition parties they had in the GDR (East Germany).

261949 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #946 of 2021 🔗

Clearly voting is for nothing more than selecting your favourite colour of rosette.

261952 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cicatriz, 4, #947 of 2021 🔗

They have already cancelled elections. Given the harm they have inflicted, is it likely that they are going to want to re-introduce them?

261974 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #948 of 2021 🔗

No, I don’t think elections are coming back (at least in the form we’ve seen before). Ive held that view of rosettes for some time.

261977 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, #949 of 2021 🔗

Maybe as pure entertainment.

261950 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Steve Hayes, #950 of 2021 🔗

Yes, there were nominally Christian Democrat and Liberal parties permitted in the old GDR parliament.

261969 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Cicatriz, 3, #951 of 2021 🔗

flu d’etat

(read that somewhere recently, maybe here)

261947 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Hayes, 27, #952 of 2021 🔗

Every single regulation has been specifically and ruthlessly designed to kill, weaken, sicken, immiserate, impoverish, separate, divide, isolate, disorient, demotivate, demoralise, dehumanise, despiritualise, degrade, defile, humiliate, oppress, transform and control the population in every conceivable way.

261968 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard O, 7, #953 of 2021 🔗

And yet their professed motivation is to save lives by following the science. Either they are lying about their motivation or they are irrational, irresponsible, incompetent, innumerate, illiterate, scientifically illiterate, wilfully blind, deranged, delusional, in a word, mad.

262179 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #954 of 2021 🔗

It has always been the original intention.They never followed the science and the peak had already been reached before lockdown.We are running out of time before the regime consolidates its power.

261955 Brian D, replying to Brian D, 17, #955 of 2021 🔗

This thought occurred to me today regarding that one of the perplexing things of these last few months has been the trusting and compliant way in which we responded to the laws passed in March and how long it has taken for the tide of opinion to slowly change. This is something which will eventually work against the government and those who support harsher law as distinct to trust.

I believe there were various graphs released which showed how people’s movements reduced greatly around the time of lockdown (before maybe?) and reports that government hadn’t expected us to be so compliant. In essence this nullifies any argument which will go along the lines that they had to implement laws in order to achieve the reductions in movement and contacts. Trust only began to break AFTER it became clear they were not treating us as adults with the transparency of information which they pledged to do so.

As a nation we acted honourably and we gave them the benefit of the doubt. They repaid us with manipulation of our emotions and manipulation of data. Then they have the temerity to tell us we’re wrong to question or get angry and our position is not supported by the science.

As far as I’m concerned they can keep doing that because it undermines their own position and gives us the opportunity to take a higher ground so to speak. I’m finding that difficult and I’ve taken a fortnight or so off of my facebook account because I was getting sarcastic and ascerbic and I don’t believe that helps in the long run. I’ve been thinking about this in combination – their message versus our message – and my mind was drawn to the bible chapter Corinthians 13 which says without love (which I take to also mean without God) anything we can say or do is worthless. I can make a strong argument but if I don’t do it with love there is no point. I can still show my feelings but I’m not going to further any good cause by insulting others and I don’t have to return insult for insult either.

This goes hand in hand with the main thrust of my personal argument on fb which is that love doesn’t come with lies and so nothing the government and BBC are feeding us is anything to do with love and the church should have nothing to do with it.

262030 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Brian D, 5, #956 of 2021 🔗

I think the continuing (and increasingly complex and arbitrary) laws and rules are with us precisely because people were so unexpectedly compliant in March.

The govt didn’t think we would really do it. They certainly didn’t think we would do it for months on end and beg for it to go on longer and harder. For a while over the summer, this gave them the confidence to go for Zero Covid. I think they really did believe that they could do it, because based on the past we would all obey forever. Hence the introduction of masks and tiers at a time when “cases” were very low.

Fast forward to Autumn when they have not only failed to achieve Zero Covid, but were briefly so convinced that they were on top of it all with their App and world-beating testing system that they failed to put in place any sort of plan for the NHS (Nightingales now useless) or organise a half decent track and trace system (not that I believe TTT is necessary or effective, but even their own figures show what a pointless waste of time it has been). So lockdown again in case 4000 people really do die each day and Boris gets the blame.

I believe that if people had been less compliant in March, they wouldn’t have been able to keep it going anywhere near as long as they have. I’m sure they didn’t think that people would accept it being illegal to visit their own families for a year or more. Nor did I!

262061 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #957 of 2021 🔗

I think you’re correct – this has been a planned mission creep.

Actually, the original measures had a rationale, given the state of knowledge at the time – a short break to simply spread the load of a virus in terms of potential effects on health services – aka ‘flattening the curve’.

It was after that when the creeping began – and lo and behold! the con-merchant crims and spivs found that they could get away with blue murder perpetrated on a largely ignorant populace.

262099 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #958 of 2021 🔗

Agree and us conspiracy theory, non mask wearing nut jobs get the blame. In Scotland I was utterly horrified to see the level of compliance when the mask wearing was made compulsory in shops and on public transport.

If people had pushed back when they knew it wasn’t right this would of been over in weeks.

262265 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Brian D, 1, #959 of 2021 🔗

Who can blame them for going for broke with their social transformation agendas (some of which have been gathering dust for years)? In their position I would have done exactly the same thing. Our almost universal compliance worldwide back in March was a fatal error. In may ways we have deserved everything that has followed.

261959 James Leary #KBF, 28, #960 of 2021 🔗

I’ve had enough of the Green vegans, the hippy billionaires who think their autistic brains entitle them to censor anybody who might upset them and their straight-jacketed orthodox thinking processes.

“We are a platform, not a publisher”. Fine – be a platform for other views, but don’t take it upon yourselves to censor what you don’t like. That’s a publisher’s prerogative – and publishers can be sued. The alternative is to be a notice board on which people can pin stuff. Any people, any stuff, and if the rest don’t like it – leave the site. And if you fail to be one or another, then you can’t accept advertising, which, in view of your chequered history with the truth, will be at a punitive rate until you demonstrate good faith, and it will be in taxed in the country that your advertisers are based in.

Now jog on.

261963 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #961 of 2021 🔗

Jesus Christ, look at this … eco activists suggesting people don’t pay mortgages? Is this the prelude to the wiping out personal debt “conspiracy”?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont-pay-your-mortgage-urge-climate-activists-s83bzjwzr

261984 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #962 of 2021 🔗

Wiping out personal debt will of course mean forfeiture of all related assets as collateral.

In 2030, you will not own anything, and you will be happy “.

262043 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, #963 of 2021 🔗

Don’t think The Times has even acknowledged the Great Reset agenda yet. I am sure they will get one of their star columnists to write an opinion piece criticising the ‘conspiracy theory’ soon.

The Times readers tend to think they are well informed but they tend to be the last to know about the blindingly obvious by several months.

262074 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #964 of 2021 🔗

Personally, I like the idea of having a roof over my head so I don’t plan to take them up on this suggestion.

261964 Mick Oak, replying to Mick Oak, 41, #965 of 2021 🔗

Think we need to get past moaning on this and do something. Here’s where I am up to. Firstly I have joined the back to normal group, mentioned by Toby a few days ago, and have ordered up five hundred leaflets. I will be working through the populace of Stirling as soon as they arrive. I am also going to try and address the shoppers in our local shopping centre at an appropriate moment. I am totally ignoring the house visit bollocks. Sundry guests are coming in December and January. All trades folk willing to keep working in our house are doing so. There is a cleaner, a carpenter and an electrician here right now all with their cars parked in the drive. Woe betide any neighbour who comes and challenges. I have written dozens of letters to useless politicians. Does me no good but makes me feel better! I will bore for ever any fool who tries to cram me with the government orthodoxy. Funnily I find few folk do agree with this guff and are just too frightened to say or don’t know better. Obviously, I have the lanyard and do not wear the mask. I will fight all jabs and other authoritarian bilge until I have absolutely no choice.

Don’t just talk act!

261978 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mick Oak, 4, #966 of 2021 🔗

Well said, I agreed in my earlier post – moaning has had its day. I’m also waiting for my Back to Normal cards and will be distributing in Eastbourne.

261988 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Marialta, 4, #967 of 2021 🔗

What’s the back to normal group please? I’d be v interested to see. Thanks 😊

262116 ▶▶▶▶ Mick Oak, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #968 of 2021 🔗

You will find them at backtonormal@yahoo.com

262122 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mick Oak, replying to Mick Oak, 1, #969 of 2021 🔗
261992 ▶▶▶ Mick Oak, replying to Marialta, 3, #970 of 2021 🔗

Good for you. That’s the spirit!

262000 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Marialta, 1, #971 of 2021 🔗

As Country Mumkin said, what is the ‘Back to Normal Group’? I can’t find it!

262052 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Stephanos, 1, #972 of 2021 🔗

https://my-sgf.co.uk/

That’s Back to normal

262003 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Mick Oak, 2, #973 of 2021 🔗

Also would like to know about this Back To Normal, have searched the site and nothing seems to show.

262019 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 2, #974 of 2021 🔗

Here
Don’t lose it https://my-sgf.co.uk/

262031 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, #975 of 2021 🔗

Did that show?

262203 ▶▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Rosie, 1, #976 of 2021 🔗

Thanks Rosie, much appreciated

262200 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 2, #977 of 2021 🔗

backtonormal@yahoo.com

when Toby wrote about Back To Normal I volunteered and Geoff wrote to me as follows:

“postcards are A5 folded into A6. On one side is what we stand for and our various contact details. On the other it folds out into a warning about how Government policy is doing more harm than good, then below a section on the GBD. The cards are free but a donation would be welcome.’

I’ve not received the parcel yet, so will report back how I get on.

262461 ▶▶▶▶ Mick Oak, replying to Marialta, 2, #978 of 2021 🔗

I got my 500 today. Have stomped round a very damp Stirling delivering the first batch. Was not accosted by a single person which was a bit disappointing!

261971 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 8, #979 of 2021 🔗

Re Pots and Panning- here is the problem; People who are being paid to not work, are unlikely to protest against that arrangement. It could also be described as a clever HMG strategy, as it deters dissent.

262001 ▶▶ Rabbit, replying to yohodi, 2, #980 of 2021 🔗

Agreed, what would be the point for anyone furloughed, if that scheme was stopped completely they know that there is a good chance this is their last source of income as their job may well come to an end.

262010 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Rabbit, 3, #981 of 2021 🔗

Well not everyone is a lazy degenerate happy to vegetate at home.

Some people think still think of their long term financial stability, some people wish to progress in life, some people wish to have something useful to do and some people don’t wish for their income to be capped at £30,000 per annum for the rest of their lives in the best case scenario.

Plenty of people are fed up with furlough.

262068 ▶▶▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #982 of 2021 🔗

Good point, it was a bit of a blanket statement!

262722 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #983 of 2021 🔗

I’d love for my income to be capped at £30K per annum. I live on 40% of that. No wonder they want to stay home.

261975 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 11, #984 of 2021 🔗

The fat clown and his comedy duo sidekicks are yet again on the telly at 7pm. Thanks to those who want to endure watching and report on this sh**storm but i`m sticking to “storage wars” on the blaze channel.

262035 ▶▶ kf99, replying to nickbowes, 4, #985 of 2021 🔗

They got rid of Barry Weiss didn’t they? At least there’s still Salvage Hunters – they’re showing new episodes of that but obviously pre-covid. Handshake on every item sold. As it should be.

261979 steve_w, 3, #986 of 2021 🔗

the times they are achangin’

261981 leggy, 6, #987 of 2021 🔗

Curious email from my head office:

“Vodafone: There are currently massive disruptions in the mobile network across Germany”

Not any protests planned today in Germany are there? 😀

Would be fun showing your “Freedom Pass” if that happens wouldn’t it.

261994 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 12, #988 of 2021 🔗

Riddle me this…

People with no symptoms are obsessed with getting tested to see if they are potentially spreading a virus but are completely OK with throwing their dirty germ ridden mask away in the street. What is it, if asymptomatic carriers are dangerous do not throw a mask away. Asymptomatic not dangerous do not get tested.

Witnessed today, silly girl walking down the street wearing a gimp mask, 2 men on the same street landscaping a front garden, full of mud and sweat working together, no masks, no bother!!

262050 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stefarm, 1, #989 of 2021 🔗

Says it all.

261996 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 7, #990 of 2021 🔗

Doubt the question will ever be used on screen if not on narrative but worth submitting anyway?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/ask-a-minister-a-question-about-coronavirus

I have asked for clarification on the cycle threshold of pcr tests used in the UK.

262046 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 2, #991 of 2021 🔗

If you can get that you’d be more of a mole than anyone here. I’ve asked my local rep to ask the local health body to publish in three times since July. Not a single response from him in any form.

262385 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, #992 of 2021 🔗

I thought I saw something way back that looked official that said they were going to 45ct. It was months ago though and prob before I was saving stuff down. Suppose it wont prove that they are still doing it though anyway.

262004 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 30, #993 of 2021 🔗

After seeing a man wearing what looked like a black B cup bra on his face alone in his car I was inspired to rework the Madness song “I Like Driving in My Mask”…….

I’ve been driving in my car and on my face is half a bra
My mask stops me from getting ill, like all those people in Brazil
They say there’s Rona everywhere, in my car and in the air.
Certain death for young and old, this cousin of the common cold
I drive in it for my job, to keep the droplets in my gob
Protects me if there’s Covid there, swirling round in the fresh air

My mask is old but it’s mine, not been washed since August 9
Just last week I screwed it up and stashed it in a coffee cup
Just last week it whiffed a bit, perhaps my breath does smell like shit?
Touch my mask then at the store, handle food and touch the door
My face mask shows that I comply, and never question any lie.

I’ve been driving in my car and on my face is half a bra
I wear my mask when in the street, turn my face from folks I meet
Friends and family stay away, SAGE and Boris I obey
I know I must put on my mask, does it work? I dare not ask
I rebreathe my CO2, inhaling germs and catching flu

I like masking in my car, virtue signal like a star
I like masking in the street, stay 6 foot from those I meet
I like masking by myself, do anything to save my health
Covid Marshalls see that I, am more then willing to comply

262013 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #994 of 2021 🔗

Haha. You’ve too much time on your hands. Excellent

262018 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #995 of 2021 🔗

I do! Ruptured my Achilles’ tendon and off work today!

262289 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #996 of 2021 🔗

You’re using your time wisely!

262014 ▶▶ assoc, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #997 of 2021 🔗

Excellent

262036 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #998 of 2021 🔗

I’m enjoying your creatively channelled aggression!

262084 ▶▶ leggy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #999 of 2021 🔗

You should send that to Suggs!

262147 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1000 of 2021 🔗

Brilliant!

Like the ‘My mask is old but it’s mine, not been washed since August 9’ line

262180 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1001 of 2021 🔗

“After seeing a man wearing what looked like a black B cup bra on his face alone in his car”.

It wasn’t a silver BMW by any chance was it? Saw exactly what you describe on my walk this afternoon. I’m less than an hours drive from the Welsh border.

If it wasn’t it means that there is more than one window licker out there.

Forgot to add: Brilliant parody.

262189 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1002 of 2021 🔗

In Swadlincote, Derbyshire. I’m afraid they are everywhere!

262005 A. Contrarian, 14, #1003 of 2021 🔗

Imagine, if you can bear to, that you find yourself inside Whitty or Vallance’s head. You genuinely believe that if families spend Christmas together, they will mostly be hospitalised or dead by February. Presumably even in the real world, there will indeed be some significant viral exchange going on, especially if the much-vaunted Aunt Betty and Granny haven’t been allowed to see another human being at close quarters since March.

So, how to reduce the load on hospitals, perhaps spread it out a little, to make things slightly easier?

I know! I’ve got it! Cram the visits into as small a number of days as possible, force everyone to travel rapidly from family to family spreading whatever viruses they happen to have because in 5 days time it will be illegal so we can’t just wait until little Billy’s cold is better like we would do any other year.

Pure genius.

262007 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1004 of 2021 🔗

The US analysts are not wearing this AZ/Oxford Vaccine Group vaccine. While there is undoubtedly a geopolitical backdrop to this, the US analysts in my view are raising some very important concerns that need to be addressed by our government:

‘It Will Never Be Licensed In The US’ – Analyst Warns AstraZeneca Vaccine Efficacy “Embellished” | Zero Hedge

262011 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1005 of 2021 🔗

They are important concerns, but they are not asking them and more of the Pfizer/Moderna tests. And yes you are correct its because they are US companies. AZ shares tumble. This is much much more to do with money than health.

262020 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to peyrole, 5, #1006 of 2021 🔗

Professor Sarah Gilbert says:

‘We’ll be digging into the details of exactly why we get a better efficacy with a half dose but it may be because that better mimics what happens with a real infection’

How the Oxford vaccine works: the half dose regime that surprised scientists (telegraph.co.uk)

In other words, she doesn’t have a clue! Scary and dereliction of duty if this is rolled out before Phase III has been completed in full.

262106 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1007 of 2021 🔗

What, you mean a real infection gives you better protection than a vaccine?! Shocking.

262008 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 14, #1008 of 2021 🔗

Personally I won’t be taking any covid-19 vaccine, at least for 5 years until long term side affects can be known, and in reality not then even if SARS-CoV2 was a material concern then, which seems highly unlikely. And by then those in the control group may have been given the vaccine for claimed ‘ethical’ reasons and so we would never really know about the long term affects as we don’t ever get to compare control group and vaccine group long term.

That said the Oxford University vaccine seems a lot less scary than the Pfizer or Moderna messenger RNA vaccines which involve a complete new technique with unknown long term affects.

Again no paper on the Oxford vaccine just biased press releases

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-23-oxford-university-breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine?hp

However going off their saying there were 131 cases and 70.4% efficacy, perhaps that means about 101 in the ‘control’ group (albeit my understanding is it isn’t a proper control as it wasn’t a placebo in the control group) and 30 in the vaccine group tested positive for SARs-CoV-2 including some asymptomatics out of the 24,000 or so in their trials?

They tell us ‘There were no hospitalised or severe cases in anyone who received the vaccine’. But don’t tell us if there were any hospitalised or severe cases in the ‘control’ group.

But let’s suppose given the low number of cases there weren’t any severe cases in the ‘control group’ that have caused death or long term organ damage. Then does that mean that even in the short term the trial could be a failure? This would be on the basis that at least one person in the vaccine group ended up with tranverse myelitis (even if they claim that was unrelated) compared to nobody in the placebo group.

Obviously the long term affects of any vaccine aren’t known. We co-exist with coronaviruses and being naturally infected arguably helps our immune system to deal with the next coronavirus that comes along because the immune system works like some sort of artificial intelligence by learning from encountering viruses that are different but also have similarities. So SARS-CoV-2 shouldn’t necessarily be thought of by us as an enemy but as something training our immune system for the next virus. Taking a vaccine stops that learning process. I think of it like riding my bike. I might get knocked off and killed when cycling outdoors but overall the health benefits from cycling are worth the risk. But taking a vaccine would be like not riding my bike outdoors to stop me being killed in a cycling accident but just using an indoor exercise bike instead. By not cycling outdoors I miss the benefits of not being out in the fresh air and affects on mental health and other benefits. Outdoor cycling doesn’t kill the vast majority of cyclists in the same way that SARS-C0V-2 doesn’t kill the vast majority of its hosts and so natural infection is preferable in those without functioning immune systems.

Why would anyone under 70 without co-morbidities take such a vaccine when the cost/benefit analysis would suggest it’s not worth it?

They seem to be saying that there is a good immune response in older people too, so there should presumably be no argument (albeit it would be a dubious argument) for younger healthier people to get vaccinated, even if they could show it stopped transmission also (which they can’t) to protect the older and more vulnerable.

Sorry just immediate rambling thoughts…

262016 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 9, #1009 of 2021 🔗

by the time vaccine is proved safe, covid will just be another annoying coronavirus like the others

262092 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to steve_w, 3, #1010 of 2021 🔗

Agreed and why does anyone need a vaccine exactly? We all know the stats and who is and who is not at risk. This virus is completely treatable should anyone get into trouble. People will get far better protection for a respiratory virus from leading a healthy lifestyle and supplementing with a few things like d3, zinc c etc. Cheap and safe. Oh but then there lies the problem. No money to be made by the elite and no harm will be done to the ordinary population.

262024 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #1011 of 2021 🔗

The 70% is a weighted average of 62% which was for the two high dose injections, and 90% for the one low dose, one high dose regime.
Taking low doses stimulates T-cell memory, high doses mainly anti-bodies. The ‘best’ vaccine is something using well used tech ( like Oxford) and can be used in low dose injection. Its possible that this could stimulate T-cell memory sufficient to have a lifetime protection, it also covers your point about other similar coronavirus in the future.
I am not advocating taking a vaccine but we do have to be realistic. The society we will be living in will demand something in return for travel and other things. I hate it, but at least a low dose injection for life is very much more prerable to mrNA injections with 6 monthly boosters that incorporate any tech they want to include.
The US interests are already trying to downplay the oxford tests as they see a ‘real world’ vaccine as a real threat to their frankenstein ones.

262027 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to peyrole, 3, #1012 of 2021 🔗

Thanks. Well thought out reply.

262040 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to peyrole, 4, #1013 of 2021 🔗

if it comes down to the wire and having the vaccine to do certain activities I wonder if we will be allowed to request a specific vaccine e.g. the ‘oxford’ vaccine over the mRNA based ones?
Could be an interesting discussion with the gp…

262245 ▶▶▶▶ assoc, replying to Sue, 5, #1014 of 2021 🔗

Hopefully it can be dispensed by your local pharmacist, in which case you can always ask for a particular brand. I think I’ll ask for a saline solution

262051 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to peyrole, 6, #1015 of 2021 🔗

The society we will be living in will demand something in return for travel and other things. I hate it, but at least a low dose injection for life is very much more prerable to mrNA injections with 6 monthly boosters that incorporate any tech they want to include .”

Your response is reasonable, but the problem is that the easier it is to do so, the harsher the restrictions that will be imposed. The more of us there are who meekly accept the idea that it’s acceptable to impose vaccine and other such requirements for flying, travel etc, the more widespread and routine such requirements will become.

The line imo for travel restriction should be either direct and real (not statistical) risk to fellow passengers or real, credible possibility of introducing a new disease to the destination country.

Absent one of these. honestly interpreted, such restrictions should be absolutely unacceptable, at least at a governmental level. How we stop these things becoming de facto standards is another problem.

262077 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to peyrole, 9, #1016 of 2021 🔗

Your benign vaccination will be tied to an indefinite future of boosters (if you feel unwell from any of them, tough luck) which will be tied to an immunity passport (Covid-Pass) requiring you to show proof of vaccination status to travel anywhere or just basically to live life

No more freedom or spontaneity. Your life will be controlled by the state and tech, which is the point of the vaccines (plural)

262102 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to peyrole, 3, #1017 of 2021 🔗

The 90pct figure is based on 2740 people. Too small. There are good reasons to question this trial. It looks like a disaster to me.

262128 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to merlin, 4, #1018 of 2021 🔗

Agree completely. Reading between the lines, they have been told to go away and run a larger scale trial with the low dose/high dose protocol. If this is rolled out before that completes, that constitutes criminal behaviour from Department of Health in my view.

262143 ▶▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1019 of 2021 🔗

Agree. I would also love to know the Ct value on the PCR test they use to confirm a case. Please post if you find it.

262284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to merlin, 4, #1020 of 2021 🔗

I believe, thus far, that these vaccine manufacturers have only put out press releases touting their safety and efficacy, not the actual trial data. In order to get emergency use authorization they will have to release the trial data and then we will get a better idea of what’s really going on. Of course the data will be interpreted differently depending on who has a financial interest.

262187 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to merlin, 4, #1021 of 2021 🔗

Yes and the fact that a healthy 28 yr old doctor died during the trial and 2 women in different parts of america developed long term identical neurological rare conditions on the trial.

262017 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1022 of 2021 🔗

From The Telegraph live feed:

Yes, blame everyone but yourselves and the government. Roger Truelove, what a pompous git you are! Where’s the evidence for your assertion?

Kent: ‘Wilful disregard of rules’ triggers surge in cases in Swale

A district of Kent now has the highest Covid-19 rate in the country amid concerns that people are showing a “wilful disregard of the rules”.

An emergency meeting is being held today to discuss why Swale has overtaken Hull as having the highest rate in England.

The seaside borough reported a rate of 631.7 cases per 100,000 people for the seven days to November 18, according to analysis by the PA news agency. This is a sharp jump from the 425.8 cases per 100,000 reported for the previous seven days.

Announcing the calling of an emergency meeting, Swale Borough Council leader Roger Truelove said the recent rise in cases is a “significant cause for concern”.

He said: “I know most people and businesses are doing what they should, but it is frustrating to still see people not wearing face coverings or keeping their distance when they should.

“This kind of wilful disregard of the rules means we are more likely to have further restrictions imposed on us in December, which is hugely unfair for people and businesses who have been doing the right thing since March.”

The emergency meeting – which press and public are not permitted to attend – was believed to be taking place over lunchtime.

262023 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1023 of 2021 🔗

An emergency meeting is being held today to discuss why Swale has overtaken Hull as having the highest rate in England.

Coz the fucking idiots are getting tested. When are these idiots going to realise, testing = + tests (not cases!!!)

262067 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, #1024 of 2021 🔗

Highest rate of asymptomatic PCR test cases. That’s a tragedy. Get the ice skating rinks ready for the corpses

262125 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, #1025 of 2021 🔗

The ‘asymptomatic’, by definition, aren’t infected or ill.

262025 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1026 of 2021 🔗

Fuck your rules and Roger your Truelove.

262064 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1027 of 2021 🔗

Still… People aren’t asking what a ‘case’ is

262169 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Ben, #1028 of 2021 🔗

Because people don’t understand the difference between a “case” and a positive test.

262065 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1029 of 2021 🔗

Bodies lining the streets in Swale then? Thought not.

262076 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Tenchy, 2, #1030 of 2021 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Swale

“Cases” peaked on the 12 Nov at 230 and have been falling since, too soon for lockdown to have an effect. At the height of the pandemic in April cases there peaked at 17 per day. Just like up here in the North, the virus is finding it’s way into vulnerable communities, doing what viruses do for about a month and then moving on. The evidence from London is that once that happens, it doesn’t happen again. More proof that lockdowns don’t work in my opinion.

262141 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, #1031 of 2021 🔗

I’ve got a holiday home in Swale.During the summer there is a massive influx of people from London and surrounding areasThere was zero infections despite a lot of flouting of the rules etc.What has happened to change this.

262164 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1032 of 2021 🔗

Increased testing? Same observation could be made of anywhere in the country over the summer months and include the BLM and XR protests. None of those events caused a “surge” in infections.

262427 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1033 of 2021 🔗

Cornwall had a massive influx of people over the summer months. Information from an NHS whistleblower has revealed that just ‘3’ people are in ICU. Population of Cornwall 500,000 +. locked down for that. When you tell people you’re just met with a blank response. No conversation attempted!

262304 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1034 of 2021 🔗

These people in councils up and down the land ARE IDIOTS who know almost NOTHING about ANYTHING.

Yeah yeah yeah blame the naughty people as to why we need more lockdown. This is another tip out of the psy-op playbook.
What a Charlie.

262028 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 8, #1035 of 2021 🔗

Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen is like a Nordic Neil Oliver, very sensible and balanced and in touch with nature.

The Great Reset – Covid, World Economic Forum And Klaus Schwab’s Dream of Globalization
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XovqZv0Dm8Y

The Great Reset sees the Covid pandemic as an opportunity for total and totalitarian globalization. Klaus Schwab with sponsors like Bill Gates are now pushing to set democracy aside – they believe they know what is best for you. World Economic Forum: weforum.org

262038 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Darryl, 6, #1036 of 2021 🔗

Love the guy! Nice to see another fan.

262045 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Darryl, 3, #1037 of 2021 🔗

Hopefully the Fates will step in and consign them to Hell, sooner rather than later. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

262033 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #1038 of 2021 🔗

For anyone in Northern Ireland, Stormont have been having their own debate about Lockdown extension this Friday. It’s utterly depressing. Surface level tinkering about how many millions we can dish out to businesses. Or how quickly we can test the entire region.

Not a single person questioning anything to do with the fundamentals. Not one. Nobody asking for a cost benefit even. Utterly irrelevant. Mass redundancies guaranteed now in January in hospitality.

And just to show at a societal level how absolutely ridiculous this all is, this picture does it. On the left, the queue yesterday to get into Belfasts largest shopping centre in the rush before closing again on Friday. On the right, what was met by the 50 or so anti lockdown protestors who were literally 500m down the road from said shopping centre. Many fines were handed out and one man arrested.

262058 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1039 of 2021 🔗

I’m sick death of people’s stupidity

Why is it the pro-lockdown zealots always break the rules? (Ie, Neil Ferguson, Tony Blair, numerous other celebs and politicians)

They never ask the most basic questions..

If the virus is so deadly, why do I have to be tested to see if I have it not?

If someone tests positive for the deadly virus, why is the protocol to stay at home and isolate for two weeks?

If the virus is so deadly why is it on leave for five days at Christmas?

Make your minds up

262060 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1040 of 2021 🔗

The people in the shopping centre queue will no doubt be amongst those busy in the social media comments criticising the selfish anti-lockdown protestors. If only they joined the protestors the shops might not be closing again. I guess buying something from Primark is more important than Freedom for most people.

The NI police are a complete joke wearing those masks, must be fully brought into the propaganda.

262163 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1041 of 2021 🔗

I honestly think governments throughout the world deliberately dress their police up to look terrifying.

262308 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1042 of 2021 🔗

This is insanity. What the hell is wrong with people?
Amazing.

262037 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1043 of 2021 🔗

I used to admire George Monbiot. I even bought one of his books. But now I see he has gone full pharma-salesman. I can’t quite believe anyone would write this – maybe he didn’t write it himself? But it’s on his twitter. It’s another reminder of the scale of attack everyone is being subjected to. Copied in full below unless he decides to delete it. Highlights are mine. Shame on you George.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1330789199671341061

A few thoughts about vaccination.
1.      Once a vaccine against Covid-19 which has received regulatory approval is offered to you, please accept it. It will help protect you and other people. Getting vaccinated is a pro-social act.
2.      There could be some risks associated with it. But once it has received full approval, we can be pretty confident that any risks of vaccination will be much lower than the risks of not vaccinating : namely allowing a pandemic that kills people and ruins lives to keep raging.
3.      Everything we do is risky to some extent. Even doing nothing (sitting at home all day without exercise is really bad for your health). But you will almost certainly face higher risks travelling to the clinic to get your injection then you will face from the injection itself.
4.      It is highly unlikely that a vaccine will be a complete solution to the pandemic. We will still need an effective test, trace and isolate system and a strong health service. No vaccine can inoculate us against an incompetent and corrupt government.
5.      Even with a highly effective vaccine, widely deployed, it’s unlikely that we will get back to “normal” (whatever that means) very soon . Gatherings will probably still need to be restricted throughout the first half of 2021, and perhaps beyond. Masks should still be worn.
6.      Alongside vaccine hesitancy, we should be concerned about vaccine overconfidence. Large numbers of unvaccinated people gathering in the belief that the pandemic is over, governments prematurely removing all restrictions in the belief that they have a complete techno-fix.
7.      Yes, a vaccine is an essential tool in suppressing and eventually eliminating the pandemic. But it is only one tool, and the rest of the box will still need to be deployed for a while yet.

262047 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1044 of 2021 🔗

He’s a shill and a bully. He once wrote that the Fukushima nuclear disaster (still unfolding) restored his faith in nuclear power

262081 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1045 of 2021 🔗

That is awful to read. I too held him in high esteem around 10 years ago. That list is so full of cultish beliefs. No mention of self accountability or personal freedom.

Masks forever too, unbelievable logic. If you think masks now, then its masks for flu and anything else.

The Double Down News outlet he is part of is so lost in questioning the Covid narrative. They are so engulfed in left vs right and boutique politics such as identity etc. They are just a useful bunch of lackeys for the underlying agenda at play. No longer can they claim to be a unifying force.

Often you’ll see on their Facebook page that Carl Henegen is the ‘darling of the right’. Like I say, completely lost in their own echo chambers.

262120 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1046 of 2021 🔗

I reckon Monbiot has just blown himself out of the water in perpetuity with that stream of illogic. Nobody with any scientific grasp or statistical knowledge is going to take him seriously.

Serious self-harm

262168 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 5, #1047 of 2021 🔗

Monbiot is an idiot and always has been an idiot.

262124 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1048 of 2021 🔗

Boycott

262580 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Victoria, #1049 of 2021 🔗

Good idea. Let’s ask Sir Geoffrey.

262133 ▶▶ merlin, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1050 of 2021 🔗

Reads like a propaganda template written by a shyster from big pharma.

262174 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1051 of 2021 🔗

So even with the magic vaccine, he thinks we’ll still need to wear useless face nappies and generally put up with months more of this misery. Wow, what a great salesperson!

262322 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1052 of 2021 🔗

Pah, muppet. That’s him off my credible person list, not that he really ever was on it, perhaps back in the early 90’s when he was against building more roads.

262343 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1053 of 2021 🔗

I read his book on the PFI scandal once. I say read, I got half way through and had to stop as it made me too angry. He used to be a decent investigative journalist it seems. Wonder what happened?

262358 ▶▶ George L, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1054 of 2021 🔗

Monbiot ‘s a prick of the first order, no doubt expecting to now be excepted into WEF’s NWO. He’s no different to many way over on the Left who I feel are thinking they are going to be anointed as the new masters of civilisation in the Green Revolution. They’d do well to read history.. revolutions have a habit of killing off the first in..

262420 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1055 of 2021 🔗

Can’t stand the man. Anyone who says that restrictions will continue after a vaccine is deployed is talking out of their bottom. We have seen how bloody desperate the public are for this magic bullet so if they can’t go to their pubs, their gigs, their mates, their workplace etc, after they’ve been promised the ‘scientific cavalry’, there will be hell to pay.

262042 Ben, replying to Ben, 2, #1056 of 2021 🔗

Response to the World Economic Forum’s digital humans ad (it’s been done before)

https://twitter.com/LeahButlerSmith/status/1330856533194838023?s=20

262158 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, #1057 of 2021 🔗

Where was the original ad please?

262049 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 12, #1058 of 2021 🔗

Anybody else suspicious that whenever Bozo is about to announce some more bad news there’s a miraculous new vaccine announcement?

262085 ▶▶ IanE, replying to vargas99, 2, #1059 of 2021 🔗

Quite – though I suspect the fat clown waits for advances info on vaccine announcements and then pounces (well, ‘subsides’ is probably nearer his physical capability).

262087 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to IanE, 1, #1060 of 2021 🔗

Prime carrot waving opportunities.

262055 stefarm, 11, #1061 of 2021 🔗

Do all of the useful idiots in the media not realise they are doing themselves out of work, freedom and it affects their life and children and their children’s children.

Or am I missing something, a psyop within a psyop within a psyop. A psyop of Russian dolls.

262056 Kev, replying to Kev, 25, #1062 of 2021 🔗

They are requesting all over 50s to get a flu jab. They will then expect all people in the same age group to have one of a number of vaccines (currently 3).

What tests are being run by those vaccine manufacturers to test the safety and efficacy of those vaccines in combination with the flu jab? Or any other medications a person may be taking?

I’m 58 and not having either – ever!

Do I want an unproven (to me) substance of unkown provenence, injected directly into my bloodstream? NO

From a Company that refuses to accept any liability should their product prove injurious or even fatal to me? NO

262090 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Kev, 9, #1063 of 2021 🔗

This could be a really big issue for this age group. Apparently only 8% of “reported” deaths are from Covid only, and that the remaining 92% have one or more life threatening conditions, for which presumably they are on soime sort of medication.

All these loons clamouring for a vaccination ASAP, will they be checking with their GP for advice on safety in combination with their medication? Not that any GP will actually know, how could they?

What could possibly go wrong?

262093 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Kev, 5, #1064 of 2021 🔗

This Oxford vaccine may turn out to be a massive setback for this governments agenda. 70pct effectiveness is useless . The 90pct figure being touted is based on 2741 volunteers. To hand this out to millions is criminal.

262096 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to merlin, 2, #1065 of 2021 🔗

The other ones were based on even smaller samples.

262108 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to DRW, 1, #1066 of 2021 🔗

Pfizer vaccine was based on 43000, which one are you referring to?

262150 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to merlin, 1, #1067 of 2021 🔗

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the sample actually infected was only about 1000.

262258 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to merlin, 1, #1068 of 2021 🔗

They started with a sample set of 43,000 but deemed the vaccine safe and effective based on something like 94 cases. See Del Bigtree’s takedown on last week’s The Highwire.
https://thehighwire.com/videos/pfizer-covid-vaccine-frenzy/

262173 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Kev, 5, #1069 of 2021 🔗

Haven’t the Brazilian government refused to underwrite liabilities against the covidvac? What will that mean? No-one in Brazil getting them? Freedom Passes and vaccines notwithstanding, no-one will ever be able to go to Brazil again, or come here from Brazil. Try telling that to the premier league.

There will be other governments, too, who will do the same no doubt.

262339 ▶▶ George L, replying to Kev, 3, #1070 of 2021 🔗

Judy Mikovits commented just this combination in the film Plandemic .. flu jab followed by covid. Her thoughts on it were dire. Highly dangerous!

262057 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 11, #1071 of 2021 🔗

Was very pleased to see the Mail publishing actual facts a couple of days ago. Sadly, the pro-lockdowners have jumped on to claim that the graphs used by the Mail are invalid because they given them by Statistics Guy Jon on Twitter (who has been posting the actual statistics on this whole thing). They claim he isn’t valid because he doesn’t have a “real” profile picture and has commented on the Great Reset. An MP has gone on a Twitter spree “debunking” the graphs in the Daily Mail by attacking Statistics Guy Jon which has been eaten up by the pro-lockdown masses so sadly it looks like the Daily Mail’s attempt at turning the tide was no match against the bias of the strongest pro-lockdowners so probably will have no effect on those with the power to end this. Hopefully more ordinary people who aren’t part of the woke Twitter mob will have turned over to our side because of the Mail.

Also, unrelated point, but I went to my university campus today for my fortnightly in person teaching to find that outdoor mask usage is at least 95%. All young people in their late teens/early twenties. Outdoors. I felt like I missed a new rule or something but no, compliance outdoors seems to be voluntary. Very alarming.

262070 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky R, 7, #1072 of 2021 🔗

I’m so disappointed with my age group.

262082 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to DRW, 14, #1073 of 2021 🔗

I’m so disappointed with my species.

262086 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 3, #1074 of 2021 🔗

That too. I honestly don’t think I will be around much longer.

262552 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Achilles, #1075 of 2021 🔗

Me too. So many stupid people who don’t use their brains. Can’t believe the world is being destroyed for ‘cases’ and no one’s asking what a case is. What is a case!?

262157 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to DRW, 5, #1076 of 2021 🔗

Ditto we millennials are the absolute worst. The millennials who think they are fighting the resistance by siding with the media narrative on virtually every point of view.

262705 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to JHuntz, #1077 of 2021 🔗

It’s all right. Us old 60s radicals are also largely represented amongst the masked zombies.

262097 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ricky R, 4, #1078 of 2021 🔗

So if he’s debunked Jon’s graphs, has he supplied the correct versions so that we know what was incorrect? I’m betting not.

262290 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to A. Contrarian, #1079 of 2021 🔗

The correct versions are on the ONS website.

262117 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1080 of 2021 🔗

They are carrying on today by highlighting the costs of lockdown.Let people try to debunk that.

262287 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Ricky R, #1081 of 2021 🔗

The criticism of “StatisticsGuy” is based on the fact that (1) he artificially inflated his figures and (2) the graph was truncated early to conceal a point. For (1) SG correctly observed that figures should be adjusted for population and then applied a wrong 6.8% adjustment rather than the correct 0.5% adjustment; for (2) the DM graph was truncated to omit week 45, for which the figures do not fit their narrative. That’s why his figures are declared invalid: because they are.

262066 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 20, #1082 of 2021 🔗

This is committee hearing that was posted last week
Parliamentlive.tv – Constitution Committee

From this I get a feeling that the clear consensus view is that the government have absolutely over stepped the mark on Coronavirus enforcement. In relation to fines and unequal policing between lockdown protests and others such as BLM. They could only justify many of their actions by declaring an official State of Emergency, which they didn’t, but would have led to a number of protections for the people and required specific process within Parliament. Its another sign of underlying agendas to me.

This is encouraging for cases such as Simon Dolan’s, despite the excruciating slow speed to the decision making.

There very sanguine language when discussing these matters is almost unbearable given how angry we feel about this, but it is standard of legal people to do so. I hope their anger is still there underneath the professional face.

262080 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1083 of 2021 🔗

I’ve spent the day watching and listening to it, it seems that most are under the agreement that everything that’s been done was wrong/unlawful.

262091 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1084 of 2021 🔗

If only they’d actually do or say something.

262109 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, 3, #1085 of 2021 🔗

They are doing by saying .

They’re not magicians.

262166 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to RickH, 1, #1086 of 2021 🔗

They should be getting all this heard more widely. No use just doing it in an obscure committee session.

262376 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, #1087 of 2021 🔗

We can write to these lawyers and find out what we as members of the public can do to support their position.

262457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Rosie, 1, #1088 of 2021 🔗

hi there

you are a true superstar of LDS & an inspiration to us all.

the thing you might not appreciate about lawyers is that they only do what people ask them and pay them to do. i can only imagine that their answer to any such letter would be, “first of all instruct me to give you some initial advice at £X hundred pounds an hour plus VAT and then we’ll talk about how much it will cost you to pay me to initiate legal proceedings on your behalf”…Until that happens the lawyers’ “position” is just that, they won’t actually take any action on their own behalf

262336 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1089 of 2021 🔗

Yes, I watched most of this. I was particularly impressed by Kirsty Brimelow QC. What came over was; (a) the legislation was unclear, (b) ministers communicated it unclearly, (c) police interpreted it incorrectly. So what hope does the public have?

262823 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, #1090 of 2021 🔗

They softened that a little however when saying it was all done in haste and panic. So there was a little out handed.

For me however, as I said above, was the view that the government did indeed avoid using the State of Emergency powers to be able to undermine protections that would be activated for every man and woman. They have top lawyers in their team and would have known this. It suggests to me that they had specific reasons which were more to do with using this crisis for underhand or unseen agendas.

262069 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 18, #1091 of 2021 🔗

CONSPIRACY THEORY!

You know that term. Except the conclusion point of many of them were vaccination ‘passports’ to move around. The reasons for this are many, however, once again the from is sitting in increasingly warm water.

Why won’t people realise where this is all heading? At first they hint at things to judge how people react and then they go ahead with it. WAKE UP! Things will not get better till we retake what has been taken.

For anyone who thinks that this is an ok idea for C-19. Let me ask you, once in place who is to say that a govt doesn’t swing to the ‘far’ side of any type of control and then you/your group are the ones in it’s sights. Think it can’t happen, go back a year and tell me the same about right now!

GET MAD EVERYONE!

262113 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TheBigman, 7, #1092 of 2021 🔗

Freedom Pass is 1st step to digital HealthID

262130 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 7, #1093 of 2021 🔗

It’s high tech branding. It’s about control. Nothing else

262073 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 21, #1094 of 2021 🔗

My suspicion today is that almost every local authority will insist on tier 2 restrictions to benefit from the cash and not because it’s necessary. What checks and balances are there to stop that happening? Look at London and Essex before demanding to enter tier 2 early.

Fuck sake actually why the tiers system at all. I’ve as much chance of seeing Santa Claus breakdance on my roof as killing my gran. Just stop Dorris.

262088 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1095 of 2021 🔗

That was my theory as well, especially once I heard that tier one is a considerable minority. Any area that is even a tiny bit urban will be in tier 2. Tier one reserved for rural areas which should have never even been locked down to begin with.

262095 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ricky R, 5, #1096 of 2021 🔗

Even in the rural area I live in, the county council was asking for Tier 2. Our MP used his influence to prevent that happening … less than a week before voting to lock down the entire country!

262112 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ricky R, #1097 of 2021 🔗

What ‘they’ are also planning to do is group regions and areas that would not otherwise be grouped that way to justify the action. Hence, large groupings now such as ‘West Midlands’ and ‘North East & Yorkshire’ that have discrete sub areas with completely different social mixes/housing density and consequently infection rates.

262172 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1098 of 2021 🔗

Not to mention Northumberland and Tyneside (sorry…)

262178 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1099 of 2021 🔗

Yes, there is hardly any infection in Northumberland. That in/around Newcastle was transitory though – relating to the two universities. My mother is in sheltered accommodation in North Tyneside, and even she knows only one person who has tested positive (and she knows everyone!).

262360 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1100 of 2021 🔗

Yes, the “spike” in Newcastle was ALL to do with the universities. And ALL asymptomatic. My mother’s friends (she has hundreds, I have two) are almost all on Tyneside and the only person she knows who’s had the thing is my cousin, who’s 24 and a junior doctor in Cardiff. And needless to say she was fine.

262392 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1101 of 2021 🔗

Fortunately we ( or to be more accurate I and my close group of like-minded friends) can still escape the insanity by disappearing into the the Cheviots for the day or night (EEEK!). Mind the seafront and beaches at Whitley Bay-Cullercoates and Tynemouth were very busy at the weekend… and thankfully little evidence of muzzles.

262405 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, 1, #1102 of 2021 🔗

I’m glad to hear it, about the coast being busy. As for the Cheviots, the best place on Earth and the darkest skies in England. Perfect for contemplating the stars and realizing just how tiny all of this is, in the greater scheme of things. My favourite hike is either Windy Gyle from Barrowburn, or Hen Hole from the College Valley. Although possibly not in late November… Keep enjoying your illicit getaways!

262513 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1103 of 2021 🔗

Thanks for that… we certainly will. It was big sky’s at the weekend and despite nipping over the border briefly from Lamb Hill … no sight of the sturgy to stamp her wee feet

262175 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1104 of 2021 🔗

Checks and balances are so seventeenth-century. ‘Rational government by the experts’ is much more up to date (well, mid-C20).

Vichy was a happy time for the experts of the French bureaucracy. They could do all the stuff they had wanted to for decades but been blocked by stupid democracy. Covid is a happy time for many of those currently in power, and they will never willingly let it end.

263162 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Leemc23, #1105 of 2021 🔗

The tiers are just a way of breaking the country up into an endless unwinnable storm of bickering. It’s a deliberate distraction from the fact that the government does not dare to end lockdown.

262098 right2question, replying to right2question, 8, #1106 of 2021 🔗

Robert F. Kennedy Jr: COVID19 vaccine should be avoided at all cost | Principia Scientific Intl. (principia-scientific.com) i’m trying to find the original posting on one of kennedy’s sites but haven’t managed yet, looks like there would have been a video

262127 ▶▶ Ben, replying to right2question, 3, #1107 of 2021 🔗

Here’s the opposite narrative (which I oppose). The comments scare me. I don’t want the vaccine and endless vaccine boosters and a life tied to immunity passports. So many companies are going to profit from this tyranny

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1330820056020881408?s=20

262814 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, #1108 of 2021 🔗

You have to think some sceptics have built their following during all this. They know the anti vaxx or hesitant vax censorship will close that down. They’ve already tested the waters and are marking targets. After Christmas the big takedown will come for such accounts.

262103 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #1109 of 2021 🔗

Twitter blue ticks who’ve advocated against lockdown for months, suddenly endorsing an experimental, rushed through, indemnified and unnecessary vaccine:

https://twitter.com/DissidentDodges/status/1330863491834638341?s=20

262110 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 4, #1110 of 2021 🔗

Sleeper agent! Get followers by pretending you are anti-lockdown then …..

262111 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Victoria, 3, #1111 of 2021 🔗

The endorsement of the vaccine sounded very iffy like a advertisement.

262107 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1112 of 2021 🔗

I caught a bit of David Nabarro (Imperial College professor and WHO Special Envoy on COVID) on BBC News this morning, extolling the virtues of the Oxford vaccine. He mentioned that we’ll all have to have “vaccine certificates” (to do anything). Then, when questioned as to whether it would be prudent for individuals to wait until the vaccine was “tried and tested” by large numbers of other people, he said something along the lines of (paraphrasing) “No, we can trust the Regulators. They won’t approve it if it’s not safe. Anyway, vaccines rarely have long term side effects … so don’t delay in getting it”.

Oh good. I can’t wait!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nabarro

262115 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1113 of 2021 🔗

I have a single word response to David Nabarro THALIDOMIDE.

262193 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to p02099003, 3, #1114 of 2021 🔗

And Valporate. it has been known for YEARS (at least 20) that it was very harmful to embryo/phoetus. And yet they have only just banned it for girls and women of childbearing age. Well, not quite, protect the drug manufacturers – they have a “prevent pregnancy” plan which all GPs are informed about.

262118 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1115 of 2021 🔗

If they’re safe – why indemnity?

262134 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1116 of 2021 🔗

The bloke is a prime certified wanker.

262145 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1117 of 2021 🔗

As a member of the elites I can tell you that the vaccine is 100% safe as I don’t have to take it.

262155 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1118 of 2021 🔗

Another wanker from Imperial College.

262274 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1119 of 2021 🔗

No, we can trust the Regulators. They won’t approve it if it’s not safe. Anyway, vaccines rarely have long term side effects … so don’t delay in getting it

Oh, well David, that’s all right then. I mean, it’s not as if there weren’t ghastly side effects from a hastily-developed vaccine the last time there was a pandemic !

262114 jhfreedom, 7, #1120 of 2021 🔗

Interesting in the FT on the population’s perception of Covid risks:

Covid kills, but do we overestimate the risk? | Financial Times (ft.com)

What I would say is that the piece does not go into the costs of chasing the virus. I believe there MIGHT be an argument to say that in isolation you really want to avoid getting Covid but you don’t want to go to any lengths beyond handwashing and staying at home while sick (ie common decency) to do so else the costs swiftly outweigh the benefits.

262119 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 37, #1121 of 2021 🔗

Look, the honest reality of the situation is that th people in general do not care when their freedoms are taken away as long all their favorite programs are on in the evening . Let’s see if the government tried to Cancel Strictly or I’m a celebrity! There would be riots in the streets. i was in a forest for a Sunday walk with the family and there were loads ( I means loads) of people there , with masks on. In a fucking forest!! We even assed a family with two small children, all masked up. I said to my wife that I find this retarded and stupid and she said, well people are scared. But we are in a fucking forest !!!! Was my reaction. She looked at me like I was insane. This is a losing battle and people are not waking up , I feel isolated as all my family and my wife’s family are complete 100% Covidian cultists. I feel like in a horror movie and it’s just a matter of time before they denounce me. I do not have any more patience with people’s stupidity and where there used to be the ability to give them a benefit of a doubt, there is only pity and disgust now. Every day is a battle to go on and I feel I have less and less energy to go on.

262132 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Thomas_E, 15, #1122 of 2021 🔗

We went for a walk near Virginia Water on Saturday, hundreds of people out walking and not one person wearing a mask, literally not 1, it was heartening.

There were a few back at the car park, but out on the walk mask free, there may be hope

262136 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Thomas_E, 12, #1123 of 2021 🔗

At this stage just basic common sense should tell the average person that something is amiss between the governments narrative and the reality on the ground. People appear to be in a trance.

262167 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1124 of 2021 🔗

All that’s needed now is for one young woman to start dancing in an odd way and the whole country will go berserk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_plague_of_1518

262568 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1125 of 2021 🔗
262161 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Thomas_E, 10, #1126 of 2021 🔗

Maybe the whole situation will hit home not when everyone loses their jobs and the economy falls off the cliff, BUT when Netflix runs out of new programmes because they haven’t been able to film anything this year.

262182 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1127 of 2021 🔗

I feel for you on the family. Mine aren’t quite covidian cultists but they are MSM believing conformists which isn’t far off. Plus my energy is similarly declining.

262184 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Thomas_E, 16, #1128 of 2021 🔗

If my wife was not a sceptic like me I would wonder at the state of our marriage. It goes to my very essence.

262233 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #1129 of 2021 🔗

Same here. He’s quieter about it than I am but we are 100% on the same page. It speaks to our fundamental values with respect to freedom and what it means to be human. My attitude is, if you’re not with me you’re against me. Suffice it to say, I don’t interact with many people.

262197 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Thomas_E, 10, #1130 of 2021 🔗

But we are in a fucking forest !!!! Was my reaction. She looked at me like I was insane. This is a losing battle and people are not waking up , I feel isolated as all my family and my wife’s family are complete 100% Covidian cultists.”

I know exactly how you feel.

262218 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Thomas_E, 19, #1131 of 2021 🔗

I feel your pain. My hubby whilst agrees that Covid is not the Black Death, or even any great threat to most of us, disagrees with me on every other aspect of this shit show.

When I as him how the lockdown and restrictions are justified for such an insignificant virus, he says it’s needed to ‘protect society’. I point out it is in fact destroying society – as well as the fact that it will result in more unnecessary deaths over the next 5-10 years than Covid ever will.

He has no good answer to that – except that hey well, we’ve had most of our freedoms taken away from us over the last 25 years so why get so upset over this? Like what, I ask. So he goes on about 9/11 and that the police can access your computer.. if you are a suspected terrorist. How is that even remotely comparable?

I just don’t understand how he can think like this – I married an intelligent man. He is turning out to be an utter hard of thinking, BBC brainwashed moron. I keep telling him to leave but he won’t bloody go!!

Worse still, he likes to tell all of our / my friends that I’m some sort of nut job conspiracy theorist because I’ve raised the possibility of the Great Reset being behind this and because I will always refuse to be tested and vaccinated against this no-threat virus.

He of course would happily be vaccinated so that he can go skiing! FFS!!! I am with you – pity and disgust – it is truly draining.

262230 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to HelzBelz, 11, #1132 of 2021 🔗

You are a strong woman! While my husband can’t abide me moaning and bitching about it all day long, at least he’s on the same page. It would cause a huge rift if he were taken in by it all and calling me a loon. Keep the faith and stay strong!

262240 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1133 of 2021 🔗

Sounds not too dissimilar to my dad.

262424 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1134 of 2021 🔗

Your husband has been brainwashed, and is clearly not the same man you married. Would he be willing to turn you into the authorities for refusing to take the vaccine? If the answer is yes, I would start looking for a divorce lawyer as soon as possible.

262613 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Richard O, 1, #1135 of 2021 🔗

Reading everyone’s comments I feel lucky that my husband and I split up years ago. I’ve been on my own for about four years since I ended a post-divorce relationship. So I’m isolated (especially since I don’t particularly like being around people) but I’m free from all those interpersonal conflicts. Sorry you all are struggling!

262121 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1136 of 2021 🔗

Are we halfway towards the thick end of the wedge yet?

The Telegraph live feed:

Wales makes face masks compulsory in communal areas of schools

Face coverings should be worn in all areas outside the classroom in secondary schools and colleges across the country, the Welsh Government has announced.

Staff and students will be expected to wear face coverings in communal areas of schools and colleges, as well as on dedicated school and college transport for pupils in year 7 and above.

Visitors to all schools and colleges, including parents and carers dropping off and picking up children, should also wear a face covering.

The change was announced in an update to the Welsh Government’s operational guidance on the use of face coverings in secondary schools and colleges.

Previously, schools and local authorities were responsible for deciding where and when face coverings should be worn in educational settings.

Education Minister Kirsty Williams said the change followed the publication of advice by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and a report by the Welsh Government’s Technical Advisory Cell.

“It is vital that young people, parents, adults and the workforce feel confident that all measures are being taken to ensure the educational environments are as safe as possible,” she said.

262152 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Tenchy, 19, #1137 of 2021 🔗

‘as safe as possible’

Oh, piss off.

Why do so many people fail to see the horrendous psychological and tyrannical implications of these utterly vile face nappies?

262160 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1138 of 2021 🔗

The regime is really fond of the gimp gags.

There has to be a motive for that. We know it’s got nothing to do with the ‘rona.

262443 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ovis, 5, #1139 of 2021 🔗

The masks are Satanic occult mockery. The psychopaths hate human beings, so are absolutely loving the humiliation ritual of forcing everyone to cover their faces in public. The added bonus is that masks cause even more respiratory and oral illness thereby fuelling the scam even further.

The biggest thrill for them must be how large sections of the population have bought the gargantuan lie that masks are a panacea that protects others, and with this false belief as a foundation are unilaterally attacking anyone that does not comply.

For me masks have been the single greatest facilitator that has paved the way for our enslavement and destruction. “It’s just a mask” could not be more false.

262224 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1140 of 2021 🔗

Could be worse — students in Ontario must wear them in the classroom during instruction as well. My daughter is a student teacher and has barely seen the faces of her students and has a hard time hearing their questions and being heard. Makes me sick to my stomach. School boards exceeded the ministry of educations guidelines and opted to mask all kids, not just grades 4 and up, so 5-year-olds are being masked up all day.

262237 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1141 of 2021 🔗

any pushback? UsForThem are launching a campaign as best they can. You could get in touch and see if you can team up.

262310 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Rosie, 4, #1142 of 2021 🔗

Yes, there is. There’s a group called Parents for Mask Free Education and they’re pulling together enough parents to launch a class action suit. But you know how quickly the courts are working (NOT!). They’re only challenging the masking of kids below grade 4 because the school boards went further than the government guidance. Of course they are against masking all kids, but they’re starting with a suit they may have a chance of winning.

262241 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 16, #1143 of 2021 🔗

5-year-olds are being masked up all day.”

That is child abuse, pure and simple. Disgusting!

262321 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1144 of 2021 🔗

When my daughter tells me about her few days a week in the classroom it disgusts me, and her mentor teacher is one of the better ones and isn’t as crazy as some. The “guidance” is to have bins of books with the days of the week on them and to “quarantine” the books for a week. Her teacher doesn’t bother with this nonsense and also allows the kids to share other resources, which not all teachers allow. My daughter is quite impressed with how good the kids have been because they are so much happier being in school vs. being at home. That’s what makes me so sad — that parents and kids put up with this abuse because the alternative is worse.

262819 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1145 of 2021 🔗

I teach in several schools and there’s a huge range of regimes. The best, which I visit twice a week, are lovely: next to no staff masked or nagging signs, reception greet me with a smile and make me feel very welcome. The worst is under the tyrannical reign of a hysteric head and quite literally pile on new ‘measures’ every week. (They had already been obsessed with phones in the school for years) The bloated cow on reception, who looks like the sick lovechild of the Churchill dog and a celeriac, doesn’t even bother with a ‘good afternoon’ but barks orders and shoves edicts reputed to be from my boss at us. Conveniently any awkward questions I bring up can be brushed off under ‘I’m just obeying orders’, the Nuremberg defence. Mercifully she’s too lazy to waddle over to look in the room I’m teaching in, where I generally work as I please. At least the kids seem so far untraumatised by the BS being perpetuated on them, and I double down on my duty to bring knowledge, self esteem and fun to their lives.

262848 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1146 of 2021 🔗

My daughter is in London university and also have to wear a mask in class. She only has 1 hour a week though.

262807 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, #1147 of 2021 🔗

MASKS NOT WORKING?

You’ve come to the right place. We have just what you need. Double masks.

262131 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tammy2, 13, #1149 of 2021 🔗

That was my first thought as well.

262139 ▶▶ Tammy2, replying to Tammy2, 18, #1150 of 2021 🔗

I really try to be as nice and positive as possible but we, as a nation, need to finally accept that being morbidly obese is an illness, an underlying condition that is responsible not only for Covid deaths but heart disease, diabetes etc etc. Fixing that problem is all that’s needed – no vaccine or the like.

262802 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tammy2, 1, #1151 of 2021 🔗

75% of those presenting to ICU right now are obese based on BMI

ICNARC – Reports

262140 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tammy2, 3, #1152 of 2021 🔗

Can you give a summary? That website disables my Addblocker, and then if I turn off the Addblocker I’m faced with wading through literally hundreds of permission swiches to turn off cookies (or accepting everything, which I never do).

262144 ▶▶▶ Tammy2, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1153 of 2021 🔗

“A ‘fit and healthy’ teenager died just 48 hours after testing positive for coronavirus.”

But the pictures suggest he was extremely overweight.

Sincerely sorry for his family but the headline clearly is not true.

262156 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tammy2, 4, #1154 of 2021 🔗

Thanks.

They surely aren’t suggesting the coronavirus was to blame? It sounds more like the guy who fell off a ladder and died as a result, but tested positive, so went down as a COVID death.

262541 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tenchy, #1155 of 2021 🔗

Apparently they operated on his lungs, transferred him to another hospital where he had a heart operation. His father was ill first, then Mom, and he deteriorated within 2 days.
He was obviously well enough to have 2 operations within 2 days at different hospitals!
Who is to blame, covid or medical negligence?

262165 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Tammy2, 11, #1156 of 2021 🔗

This story is so sad, and the family must be going through hell, but he was obese, which to me is a serious pre-existing condition. So to say healthy wrestler really is not true.

Being very overweight has terrible consequences on health, we all know this, I would bet most of those who died of Covid in this country with no pre-existing conditions were obese.

262185 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Tking, 7, #1157 of 2021 🔗

If he had died of the flu, he wouldn’t have reached the MSM. Of course this is stating the obvious. It is horrible when a young person dies, but they do so, fortunately in quite small numbers, every day.

262190 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jo, 7, #1158 of 2021 🔗

What about all the suicides from that age group?

262209 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to DRW, 4, #1159 of 2021 🔗

They won’t tell us about that until next year.

262603 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jo, #1160 of 2021 🔗

And I’ve started getting denials about it when I post comments with suicides in the long list of lockdown costs. Because we won’t know how many until next year. So they’re not happening now. Right.

262390 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tammy2, 2, #1161 of 2021 🔗

Could also be an undiagnosed heart problem, search for cardiac risk in the young.

262604 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to p02099003, #1162 of 2021 🔗

Those happen regularly these days. Probably will be put down as covid from now on.

262135 Stuart, 8, #1163 of 2021 🔗

Monkey and chimpanzee vaccine testing continues apace and will soon exhaust the worldwide supply of simians.

A Greater Primate, otherwise known as Stupendi Lumpencovidariat, is available and willing in untold millions to progress this critical testing phase beyond roll-out, such are the exigencies if the situation.

262149 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 28, #1164 of 2021 🔗

This is someone’s comment but it reveals what really is going on.

There still seems to be some puzzlement about why the government is doing this. The answer is simple. Whether they like it or not, and being fascists themselves they obviously do like it, what they are doing has been prescribed by the IMF and the World Bank, agencies of the UN. The proof is here:

“Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukashenko said last month via Belarusian Telegraph Agency, BelTA., that World Bank and IMF offered him a bribe of $940 million USD in the form of “Covid Relief Aid.” In exchange for $940 million USD, the World Bank and IMF demanded that the President of Belarus:

• imposed “extreme lockdown on his people”
• force them to wear face masks
• impose very strict curfews
• impose a police state
• crash the economy

Belarus President Aleksandr Lukashenko REFUSED the offer and stated that he could not accept such an offer and would put his people above the needs of the IMF and World Bank. This is NOT a conspiracy. You may research this yourself. He actually said this!

Now IMF and World Bank are bailing out failing airlines with billions of dollars, and in exchange, they are FORCING airline CEOs to implement VERY STRICT POLICIES such as FORCED face masks covers on EVERYONE, including SMALL CHILDREN, whose health will suffer as a result of these policies.

And if it is true for Belarus, then it is true for the rest of the world! The IMF and World Bank want to crash every major economy with the intent of buying over every nation’s infrastructure at cents on the dollar!”

262154 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1165 of 2021 🔗

We’ll never prove that, but let’s be honest, it wouldn’t be a surprised would it.

262196 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to leggy, 6, #1166 of 2021 🔗

I think that Reiner Fuellmich has that proof. Listen to his vids – and go out and generate public support from the non-cultists
use the small leaflets/postcards here https://my-sgf.co.uk/
at Back to Normal

262195 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, #1167 of 2021 🔗

great post

262349 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1169 of 2021 🔗

I heard this very early on – maybe march april time.

262177 calchas, 3, #1170 of 2021 🔗

“The breakdown of group cohesion as a key factor in the Chinese brainwashing of Army prisoners of war during the Korean War brainwashing of Army prisoners of war during the Korean War”

The intent is to change a mind so radically so that its owner becomes a living puppet-a human robot-without the atrocity being visible from the outside. The aim is to create a mechanism In flesh and blood, with new beliefs and new thought processes inserted into a captive body. What that amounts to is the search for a slave race that, unlike the slaves of olden times, can be trusted never to revolt, always to be amenable to orders, like an insect to its instiincts. The intent is to atomize humanity.”

https://scholarworks.lib.csusb.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1222&context=etd-project

262181 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 2, #1171 of 2021 🔗

https://youtu.be/r_Yk7F6Wx9c

scousers’ song should make you laugh 🙂

262244 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Marialta, #1172 of 2021 🔗

Brilliant 👍🤣

262367 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Marialta, #1173 of 2021 🔗

Hope this gets sung when the stadiums open up!

262191 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #1174 of 2021 🔗

I see that the people of Swale in Kent have been “wilfully ignoring” government guidelines, blah,blah,blah resulting in blah,blah, blah.
Swale is a place that I know nothing whatsoever about, but people of Swale, be proud of yourselves for collectively (consciously or unconsciously,) sticking 2 fingers up to the “experts”

262204 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1175 of 2021 🔗

Infections are high and population have been blamed. Pathetic

262220 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Gerry Mandarin, 1, #1176 of 2021 🔗

No change there,then

262594 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #1177 of 2021 🔗

Positive tests are high.

262282 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1178 of 2021 🔗

My home borough my boys still live there although I don’t anymore, they tell me there’s been a lot of new testing stations opened up in the last few months and apparently the high security prison and the open prison on the Isle of Sheppey is “rife with it ” but on the whole they reckon 50-50 sceptical v zealot ,they tell me those working from home and those on benefits are the ones whining the loudest on FB

262338 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1179 of 2021 🔗

I know Swale well and that’s a slander on the people. There is a lot of common sense people in the area but I’ve seen plenty of mask wearers on the streets.

Its just an excuse to clamp down on areas that may offer less willing compliance. One of the reasons they have probably targeted Liverpool.

All done as the result of the testing campaign probably. A tactic we will see a lot of.

262199 Doctor Y, replying to Doctor Y, 52, #1180 of 2021 🔗

Today I received a message from the tactical management team at the huge NHS Trust where I work.
We have been told to plan for mass vaccination of staff on the 1st December.
Yes, in 8 days time… of the Pfizer vaccine that is yet to receive a license.
I questioned this but was told that this is coming “from above” (ie NHS England) and that other Trusts have also been prepped for this.
I’m horrified. I’ve spent the afternoon having a panic attack.
I got told (again) to wind my neck in and appear to be the only member of our department’s management team with any concerns whatsoever.

I used to love my job and am now actively seeking alternatives…

262207 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Doctor Y, 8, #1181 of 2021 🔗

Presumably they haven’t stated what might happen if you refuse? What a potentially diabolical situation.

262231 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1182 of 2021 🔗

I don’t know anyone who isn’t having a bad day today.

We all need two sets of friends/contacts:

a local group in our own area that can meet up one way or another

some type of special-interest group, such as medics, or parents, or lawyers, or people doing similar campaigns.

Get yourself both sets asap. WhatsApp is still good for these things, obviously not secure but it’s too late for that and there’s safety in numbers, like schools of fish.

262362 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Rosie, 13, #1183 of 2021 🔗

I’m surrounded by Covidians. They don’t want to know. This is the only place I can find intelligent commentary. We can’t unknow what we know or unfeel the huge heavy rock of foreboding in our chest – the endless battles with those close to me because I’m out of step, I won’t wear a mask, I don’t want to be tested, I don’t want the vaccine. It’s like a ton of rocks waiting to fall. Will I wake up one day a Covidian? I do envy their happy ignorance. But know, I’m keeping my own ‘freedom pass’ option for when this is a world I can stand no longer. Or maybe there’s always Belarus.

262453 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1184 of 2021 🔗

I’m so lucky my friends are mostly septics. I feel for you.

262379 ▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Rosie, 12, #1185 of 2021 🔗

So via Keep Britain Free’s forum, I found a local group which has now jumped to using Telegram (WhatsApp like). This group is a real life preserver for me now; about 20 members which meet up weekly, go to local protests, share information and there’s a real sense of care and concern.

This has been a particularly bad few days, having fallen out with my Swedish friend (who claims their response has been disastrous), my Swiss friend (who is convinced beyond doubt that masks are good), and implicitly with another school dad who saw me leaving the shop maskless and gave me the real evil eye.

But I’m becoming slightly hardened to these traumas now – I’m angry, but mad as all fucking hell! The gloves are off now, any vocalised show of support or complacently for these murdering bastards is met with a disproportionate amount of fury from myself! A bit Simon Dolan like!

262395 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to HaylingDave, 2, #1186 of 2021 🔗

Thanks for the information – and I agree.
Set you anger to work for us all who are still free and for our future – find distribute leaflets, talk to people, and find more members, lobby public figures to join us.

262468 ▶▶▶ Doctor Y, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1187 of 2021 🔗

No word on mandatory or not. The twice weekly testing this week isn’t mandatory but they aren’t announcing that to staff. Flu vaccines aren’t. We will have to wait and see. I will resign if it is.

262208 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Doctor Y, 11, #1188 of 2021 🔗

I’ve been thinking about simple methods to get out of being vaccinated. Can you claim an allergy? Could they demand proof?

262210 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Doctor Y, 22, #1189 of 2021 🔗

I am pretty sure you are not alone. It really is time for senior doctors and nurses to stick together, do rolling press conferences in their scrubs and tell it as it is. I would hate to be in your position, but would feel a hell of a lot worse in times to come if this goes horribly wrong. I am praying for you all – the country needs every frontline member of staff there is – they cannot sack you.

262212 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Doctor Y, 13, #1190 of 2021 🔗

That is truly horrifying. I’d have a panic attack as well and there must be many others who feel similarly. Is there any way to gather enough horrified people and, en masse, say NO?

262219 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Doctor Y, 10, #1191 of 2021 🔗

Very sad to hear that. There is a large NHS staff opposition group on SM, you guys need to get organised and speak up.

262222 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Doctor Y, 6, #1192 of 2021 🔗

Put your concerns in writing, and refuse to take part

262227 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Doctor Y, 4, #1193 of 2021 🔗

Write to Mark Windows at Windows on the World and ask him if he has a link to his podcast on Consent.
https://www.spreaker.com/show/windows-on-the-world

262261 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Doctor Y, 3, #1194 of 2021 🔗

I’m in touch with another GP who posts on this site. Email me here if you want to get in touch with him.

https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

262307 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Doctor Y, 2, #1195 of 2021 🔗

Maybe join that Drs group on Facebook – might get some pointers there

262311 ▶▶ steph, replying to Doctor Y, 9, #1196 of 2021 🔗

I am absolutely terrified by this as I have a son and daughter in law who are junior doctors. She has had the disease and it was nasty. He must be immune as he lived with her throughout her illness and did not get it. He has also worked in ICU earlier in year and now. Neither of them need a vaccine even if it was both effective and safe. Will they be coerced?

262470 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Doctor Y, 6, #1197 of 2021 🔗

NHS staff are the phase 3 trial guinea pigs. Get the fuck out of there.

I will be perfectly blunt here. We need a high number of severe adverse reactions in the first groups to be administered with the shots in order to save us from a nationwide rollout. I predicted last week on here that this only ends once there have been thousands of deaths or severe injuries. It has to get that dark I’m afraid.

262560 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 2, #1198 of 2021 🔗

I’ve believed this from the beginning. A huge number of severe reactions may be our only way out of this. I trust nobody on this forum will be among the first to play Russian roulette with their lives.

262201 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1199 of 2021 🔗

Nothing short of blackmail. Communities that test in numbers will be granted freedom and the ability to mix with others that have tested negative.

262205 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1200 of 2021 🔗

I wonder how that’s going to work?

262206 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1201 of 2021 🔗

People will just continue to ignore it. Surely someone is building up a case against this as this is surely illegal to use coercion like that?

262213 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1202 of 2021 🔗

Well, one would think so. But it seems nowadays the scum that rule us have no concept of the “rule of law”.

262215 richard riewer, 5, #1203 of 2021 🔗

Sustainable Development=Sustainable Destruction

262216 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #1204 of 2021 🔗

In March my village was promised 800 covid deaths

The promise was made by His Excellency the Professor Ferguson, predictor, crystal ball gazer, and modeler in chief to the court of Princess Nut Nuts

Admittedly the were a couple of sniffles in April and someone sneezed in early November; other than that nothing

Is the fact that it never turns up at all a symptom of Long Covid?

262341 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1205 of 2021 🔗

In March my village was promised 800 covid deaths”

There was a time when you could have sued for breach of promise.

262217 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1206 of 2021 🔗

Not clear Labour is going to back Doris’s plans for post Dec 2 – if I heard that correctly?

262229 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1207 of 2021 🔗

Is it because they want the lockdown to continue? Preferably enforced by the military with shoot on sight orders for anyone outdoors without papers and authorising the use of tactical nuclear weapons for anywhere with an R number above 1?

262251 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cicatriz, 2, #1208 of 2021 🔗

Not sure it wasn’t the other way. I think the Gary Neville interjection today (on behalf of NW hospitality interests), with the apparent backing of Andy Burnham and Manchester City Council head, Sir Richard Lees, might be nudging him?

262279 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1209 of 2021 🔗

Could be good news then, I’ll suspend my cynicism.

262353 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #1210 of 2021 🔗

I did suggest the “Nuclear option” about Wuhan in January, but was told that probably was not a good idea.

262333 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1211 of 2021 🔗

No, Labour definitely support more lockdown/restrictions. Unbelievable that they are willing for more jobs to be lost.

262523 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to flyingjohn, 2, #1212 of 2021 🔗

Actually quiet believable now, Labour’s core support are now public sector workers, who believe themselves to be safe, students, and retired industrial workers with pensions, as well as people on social security

There are some private sector workers who are economically vulnerable to the effects of lockdown, that do vote Labour, mainly for cultural reasons, but these folk are not a priority for the Labour leadership

support for the lockdown has, sadly, become a cultural marker for the metropolitan remain crowd who are Starmer’s key supporters

262816 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to flyingjohn, #1213 of 2021 🔗

They are the ideological bedfellows of the U.S. Democrats, who are all imposing lockdowns on their citizens.
Said citizens aren’t taking much notice, especially of Gavin Newsome in California, the governor who tried to all but ban Thanksgiving, then got photographed in a restaurant with 12 other people, all without masks.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13261815/bill-maher-dems-preach-covid-break-rules/

262221 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 27, #1214 of 2021 🔗

Boris Johnson has told the House that the lockdown restrictions will be redundant by next Spring because the scientific cavalry have come to the rescue. But we have to remain steadfast until then and follow all the advice, which will be tougher. He is, of course, very sorry for all the hardships.

Apparently, he is either completely unaware of the harm the lockdown measures inflict or alternatively does not care.

262225 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #1215 of 2021 🔗

or revels in it – or is having his arm twisted and it’s easy to twist

262269 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1216 of 2021 🔗

It hasn’t caused him or his mates any hardship, quite the opposite in fact, so of course he doesn’t care.

262276 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1217 of 2021 🔗

By Spring? He’s either lying or an idiot.

262332 ▶▶▶ Klein, replying to Julian, 1, #1218 of 2021 🔗

or both

262280 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1219 of 2021 🔗

didn’t the Arabs enjoy a ‘Spring’ too?

262291 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1220 of 2021 🔗

Does not care. He is only around until he delivers the UK to the giant vaccine phase III trial. His next job depends on it, and his current and former mistresses, wives, partners are baying for their money too to cover the children’s school and student costs.

262299 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1221 of 2021 🔗

The nations children sacrificed for the benefit of Boris’ Bastards.

262295 ▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1222 of 2021 🔗

I am absolutely terrified by this as I have a son and daughter in law who are junior doctors. She has had the disease and it was nasty. He must be immune as he lived with her throughout her illness and did not get it. He has also worked in ICU earlier in year and now. Neither of them need a vaccine even if it was both effective and safe. Will they be coerced?

262298 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to steph, 1, #1223 of 2021 🔗

Sorry, that was in reply to Doctor Y. I’m not functioning well at the moment.

262824 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to steph, 2, #1224 of 2021 🔗

They have to refuse and be firm. They cannot lose their jobs, there are not enough doctors.

262223 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 7, #1225 of 2021 🔗

Here’s today’s good news – there really isn’t much but this is just what is needed:

backtonormal@yahoo.com
when Toby wrote about Back To Normal I volunteered and Geoff wrote to me as follows:
“postcards are A5 folded into A6. On one side is what we stand for and our various contact details. On the other it folds out into a warning about how Government policy is doing more harm than good, then below a section on the GBD. The cards are free but a donation would be welcome.’
I’ve not received the parcel yet, so will report back how I get on.

That was Marialta, I think, who wrote that. Can mention that I’m in contact with Geoff by email and he is inundated with requests. So while you wait for his postcards to arrive, find people in your location and get organised.

For this to work we need:

Local groups
Postcards and leaflets
People to man telephones to help with coordination and to help people who are badly isolated
People to set up subsidiary websites

So please set to work right now.

262263 ▶▶ PaulC, replying to Rosie, 5, #1226 of 2021 🔗

Got 250 in the post this morning. He is looking for organisers in each constituency. Only has 18 at the moment but 55,000 leaflets have been sent out.

262268 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to PaulC, #1227 of 2021 🔗

Good to hear. Yes, he needs coordinators both of local areas and of specific campaigns. The coordinators are in touch with one another, to make the whole things manageable – and to avoid centralization with all the drawbacks that entails.

262421 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to PaulC, 1, #1228 of 2021 🔗

I’ll e-mail him as I’d volunteer to co-ordinate in my constituency if they don’t have one already. My constituency MP of course being Wancock.

262228 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #1229 of 2021 🔗

According to Boris Johnson, the mass testing in Liverpool has caused the “infections” to dramatically reduce.

262236 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #1230 of 2021 🔗

Some one posted this quote last week: “Wet pavements cause rain.”

262238 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1231 of 2021 🔗

Does that mean we don’t need a vaccine?

Or, and I’m just speculating here, Boris doesn’t do logic?

262248 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cicatriz, 4, #1232 of 2021 🔗

Boris made no attempt to explain how conducting tests reduced “infections”. He just asserted it as though it were self evident.

262272 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1233 of 2021 🔗

Oh, I can imagine. He’s had a lifetime of getting by on his barely coherent blather that relies on whoever he’s talking to forgetting what was said 3 seconds earlier. I don’t think he’s ever needed to get by with a process of thinking leading to a conclusion.

Unfortunately, he’s now surrounded by people who prefer being told what to think, which has created a terrifying feedback loop of apathetic idiocy.

262239 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #1234 of 2021 🔗

I have my doubts about how much Doris knows about classical literature, based on what one of his tutors at Balliol College Oxford said to Tom Bower. As a former natural scientist, however, I know he knows sweet FA about diseases and epidemiology. As a social scientist I also know he knows sweet FA about the economy and social interactions. In fact, collectively, he knows sweet FA about sweet FA!

262249 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #1235 of 2021 🔗

He knows the square root of f**k all about anything.
Hancock said the same on the Today program this morning. Apparently just testing makes the virus go away. These idiots are running, no sorry that should read ruining our lives.

262286 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to steph, 3, #1236 of 2021 🔗

I have even more doubts about Handsy’s intellectual ability. I simply cannot understand how he got a place at Oxford.

262476 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1237 of 2021 🔗

It’s worth remembering that you don’t need 100% to get an A in an exam.

When I was at school a pass was about 40% and only about 70% was required for an A grade.

That leaves plenty of room for error. You don’t have to be a genius to pass exams.

262302 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1238 of 2021 🔗

MP is the only job he is qualified for then.

262242 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1239 of 2021 🔗

Meanwhile, elsewhere (can’t quite remember where), there is evidence that the mass flow tests are inaccurate and under-report positives. So Johnson, which is it?

262247 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1240 of 2021 🔗

he deliberately makes statements that are silly. its his attempt at covering up his real personality traits which are quite bad.

262273 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1241 of 2021 🔗

As Peter Hitchens likes to say, the virus that is afraid of being tested for

262300 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1242 of 2021 🔗

Haven’t you heard that they weigh turkeys regularly in order to fatten them for Christmas?

262478 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Basileus, #1243 of 2021 🔗

How does weighing a turkey make it fatter?

262235 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 7, #1244 of 2021 🔗

I am sure that this is has been posted elsewhere, but I have just read this – there is some really good news in this article – lots of push back on the government narrative:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8973737/Fury-government-uses-Twitter-propaganda-tool-attack-Mails-covid-analysis.html

262253 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1245 of 2021 🔗

And they’ve put out a statement that still doesn’t give any reasoning as to why the article was apparently misleading, not 1 single point refuted.

262257 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1246 of 2021 🔗

It’s possibly a bad move by the government. It might even coax some other media outlets to start questioning the policies. When it was just individuals and alternative media being silenced by social media, it was probably easy to ignore. I wonder how the MSM will feel about being so blatantly suppressed and undermined by the government.

262270 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cicatriz, 5, #1247 of 2021 🔗

A tactical error, for sure, now recognised as they have deleted the tweet

262305 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1248 of 2021 🔗

Indeed. Great article.

But don’t read the letters to the Editors

262347 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1249 of 2021 🔗

Love it or hate it, The Mail is one of the few newspapers left, that has clout with the masses. Could get interesting.

262578 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1250 of 2021 🔗

And there are plenty of sceptics commenting on most articles.

262243 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 3, #1251 of 2021 🔗

Bozo has basically just bet the house on mass testing and a successful vaccine

262255 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to vargas99, 5, #1252 of 2021 🔗

its not a bet, its a plan which given the state of mind of the majority of the population is pretty certain to succeed.

262256 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to vargas99, 1, #1253 of 2021 🔗

Even more money on this nonsence – how much?

262260 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to vargas99, 3, #1254 of 2021 🔗

testing has been proven to be nonsense, and vaccines will be ignored by anyone clued up.

262267 ▶▶ Julian, replying to vargas99, 8, #1255 of 2021 🔗

Well, the mass testing was just something convenient for him to push to make it look like they were doing something, and to maintain the lie that we face a health emergency of unprecedented size

The vaccine doesn’t need to be successful in any meaningful way because they can end this shit now by stopping inaccurate mass testing and misclassification of deaths, it just needs to not kill or harm too many people and to pass the trials well enough for vaccine companies to be able to claim it’s “working”

262277 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Julian, 3, #1256 of 2021 🔗

Indeed, the only result they really want is the health passport and control as part of the bigger aim of societal change. Of course the drug companies/Gates et al also want to make a lot of money, and politicians want their bribes paying out.

262296 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Julian, 5, #1257 of 2021 🔗

Yes – they really should just roll out a saline placebo vaccine and stop the testing. Hey presto – Covid elimination. Let’s all do the performing seal routine for the government every Thursday evening to thank them for saving us!

262254 Adam, #1258 of 2021 🔗

Johnson and Hancock can
Fuck off if they think I will take any bullshit from them or there braindead goons in uniforms I decide who I have in my Home not this rogue government please wake up Britain and remove these criminals from office and remove these cretinous rules

262264 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1259 of 2021 🔗

Boris lost his link to the House. So Hancock got to his feet. He implied that he/the government has conducted an assessment of the harms and benefits and found that the best way to protect from all the risks and harms is to control the virus.

262275 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Steve Hayes, 21, #1260 of 2021 🔗

I really really, despise Hancock and look forward to him losing his job in the very near future. He just hasn’t got a clue.

262411 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Margaret, #1261 of 2021 🔗

Missed another “really” out there. I meant to say that I really, really despise Hancock. There! I feel better for that.

262278 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1262 of 2021 🔗

He lost his link to Planet Earth a long time ago

262398 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1263 of 2021 🔗

Well bloody well publish that assessment then!

262271 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1264 of 2021 🔗

Refuse to watch this crap

Have Whitty or the other idiot put in an appearance?

If not, that’s them as well as Cummings and Cain gone

It’s falling apart

It appears only the Pig Dictator, Princess Nut Nuts, and the Idiot Child remain

262285 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1265 of 2021 🔗

Only commons speech so far. Addressing the nation later from his sty.

262288 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1266 of 2021 🔗

sorry but that is very naive. Whitty and Vallance can be replaced by 50 more lining up behind them. Hancock will be well rewarded but he too is there as a sacrificial lamb as required.

262319 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to peyrole, 3, #1267 of 2021 🔗

Who is going to want to join a doomed regime?

These people have careers, they will be sucking up to whom they think will replace the Pig Dictator

To join the Pig Dictators regime now would be the kiss of death to a greasy poler

262292 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #1268 of 2021 🔗

Lockdown, what f××king lockdown?
A icecream van ringing his chimes has just gone past our house.

262312 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1269 of 2021 🔗

You sure that wasn’t a vaccine van?

262314 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to leggy, 2, #1270 of 2021 🔗

Nice one, leggy.

262293 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1271 of 2021 🔗

Anyone still interested in Johnson’s Tears, sorry Tiers?

262297 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1272 of 2021 🔗

Never was.

262294 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 5, #1273 of 2021 🔗

According to local reports, neighbouring council area has not been confined to Tier4 because not many folk are having the test.

Meanwhile, my area languishes in Tier 4 because of widespread testing.

And she’s finally achieved her long held wish to close the border with England. Is this within her constitutional right? Who knows?

As to food and other supplies brought from England, will she issue a waiver, or will we see lorry queues and food shortages?

New Year celebrations are likely to be banned as well

262357 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 13, #1274 of 2021 🔗

Good bit on today’s UK Column about her.

Have you seen the disgusting advert on STV with the girl (actress) blaming her business being lost on people not following the rules and hugging people.

All bollocks, it is filmed in Leith opposite the Scottish Government building, the cafe being used as a prop has been empty for months due to the lockdown.

Why can’t people see what is happening, we are living in East Germany!!!!

262301 JohnB, 18, #1275 of 2021 🔗

Someone on here suggested the other day that we could flag adverts showing masks as offensive. Thought I’d give it a go, and, surprisingly, it seems to work. No mask adverts for a few days now.

262303 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1276 of 2021 🔗

Download Dr Vernon Coleman’s book (pdf): Proof that Face Masks Do More Harm than Good

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/harmthangood.pdf

Dr Vernon Coleman video: Proof that Face Masks Do More Harm than Good
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/proof-that-face-masks-do-more-harm-than-good_5Ya8cJN5eCT3vqj.html

262306 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Victoria, 7, #1277 of 2021 🔗

Just preaching to the converted here, and in my experience most true believers of the pandemic can’t be swayed with such novel ideas like facts.

262364 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Victoria, 6, #1278 of 2021 🔗

Don’t need proof. If you’re healthy and wear a mask there is nothing but downside.

And at any given moment, the vast majority of the world can be considered healthy with no need to wear a mask.

262316 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1279 of 2021 🔗

What a fucking nob head this man is!

Daily Mail: Matt Hancock says he can justify spending £50k on takeaways for his staff during pandemic.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8977425/Matt-Hancock-says-justify-spending-50k-takeaways-staff-pandemic.html

262318 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1280 of 2021 🔗

His time will come, even if it’s a decade later like Sarkozy…

262327 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1281 of 2021 🔗

However if you work in the private sector then you will be taxed for receiving benefits in kind – the limits are very low.

262329 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1282 of 2021 🔗

When you have wasted tens of billions and cost the economy hundreds of billions I guess you don’t worry about £50k.

262365 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Darryl, 3, #1283 of 2021 🔗

Correct. He has never had a ‘proper’ job in his life – someone else has always picked up the tab.

262354 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1284 of 2021 🔗

The health secretary is essentially a fascist father Dougal

262416 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1285 of 2021 🔗

Hasn’t he been arrested yet? The Bernician promised he would be last week… 🙁

262317 Somepeoplearesostupid, #1286 of 2021 🔗

The EU have been proposing vaccination passports for a while, long before 2020, are we being held ransom by the EU, go ahead with everything the rest of Europe is doing, vaccines, freedom passes etc (with the exception of Sweden) in order to sweeten the possibility of a trade deal? The irony not being lost on the EU, brexit was about us taking back control, when in fact they are still controlling the UK in other ways? There were certainly rumours Macron was pulling the strings towards the first set of restrictions in March.

262320 Victoria, 2, #1287 of 2021 🔗

YIKES! The global elite want to forever change the way you live with “The Great Reset” agenda
https://www.naturalhealth365.com/great-reset-economic-change-3632.html

262323 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 15, #1288 of 2021 🔗

Piers Corbyn is holding an education event tomorrow. I wonder how many minutes it will take before the SS Territorial Support Group swoop in to arrest him?

24 Nov  London
Vaccine Education Event
Outside Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation European H/Q
B323, Westminster, London SW1E 6QW, United Kingdom
Tuesday, 24 Nov, 1pm

Also appearing in court later this week –

27  Nov London Support Piers Corbyn in Court
Westminster Magistrates’ Court, 181 Marylebone Road, London
Friday, 27 Nov, 9:30am

262351 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, 19, #1289 of 2021 🔗

Have to say he has some bollocks.

262366 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, 16, #1290 of 2021 🔗

You have to admire him keeping on going. He is targeted as soon as he arrives at an event. I think is is safe to say he will be probably be spending Tuesday night in a cell.

What he and a few others around the country are doing is doing is akin to the White Rose resistance group in Nazi Germany.

262384 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Darryl, 6, #1291 of 2021 🔗

I’ve posted this before, a booklet Piers Corbyn wrote a year ago to give you a good insight into his intellect and determination.

https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/booklets

262792 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Rosie, 1, #1292 of 2021 🔗

Very interesting, he certainly likes taking on establishment backed causes. Unfortunately truth doesn’t matter to these people, it’s is always about money and control.

262469 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Darryl, 3, #1293 of 2021 🔗

Pity there’s not more like him.

262428 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to stefarm, 7, #1294 of 2021 🔗

I take my hat off to him – a true hero.

262467 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to stefarm, 5, #1295 of 2021 🔗

Most men have bollocks, but Piers Corbyn has balls.

262829 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to John P, #1296 of 2021 🔗

I’ll copy your praise of Piers to a friend who is also Pier’s friend – IDK if he’ll pass it on but quite possibly

262325 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 42, #1297 of 2021 🔗

My sister in law just posted on the family WhatsApp group how hopeful she is about the news of the vaccine and soon we will be able to visit each other. I should have kept quiet but I told her that she is welcome but I will never take a vaccine. She then said that that means they can never visit us until I do. I then told her to be my guest and fuck off…My wife is not very happy, but my niece (she s 180 send me a private message asking if she can come by herself? I told her of course and she seemed relived. She thinks her mum she gone a bit overboard and she and my nephew are sceptics in training. SO maybe there is hope yet for the next generation

262334 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #1298 of 2021 🔗

Eh? If they’ve had the vaccine, surely they’re safe?

262342 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Thomas_E, 23, #1299 of 2021 🔗

Well done, I can never work out why the vaccine zealots have so little faith in it that they won’t see someone who doesn’t take it. A bit like the masked fascists who won’t even pass within 2m of you outside.

262526 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, 1, #1300 of 2021 🔗

Basically a lack of cognitive skills and imposition of fear = distorted perception.

262345 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Thomas_E, 13, #1301 of 2021 🔗

It’s like a mass breakdown in using logic and critical thinking.

262394 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Thomas_E, 10, #1302 of 2021 🔗

She then said that that means they can never visit us until I do.”

It’s this sort of breakdown in logic that really stumps me for an answer. Words fail me.

262447 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 5, #1303 of 2021 🔗

It’s just another indication that we’re dealing with a cult. They will need deprogramming before reason and logic can return.

262693 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Thomas_E, #1304 of 2021 🔗

Make it clear to her that the vaccines have NOT been tested to reduce transmission.

262326 Victoria, replying to Victoria, #1305 of 2021 🔗
262383 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 7, #1306 of 2021 🔗

We have a right to say ‘No’ without giving a reason

262983 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, #1307 of 2021 🔗

Do we have a right to say ‘Fuck off, you must be fucking joking’ though ?

262330 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #1308 of 2021 🔗

A ‘careful and limited Christmas’

Careful and limited lives.

262436 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to calchas, #1309 of 2021 🔗

Almost makes me wish I celebrated Christmas so I could have a carefree and expansive one.

262462 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #1310 of 2021 🔗

I’m not stopping you.

262340 DRW, replying to DRW, 16, #1312 of 2021 🔗

It seems Zoom University have given up on some “live” teaching slots. Must be declining
interest, I went into one this afternoon and there were only about four or five others with nothing happening. Have to admit I didn’t help that trend but still another depressing event, really not helping how bad I’m feeling tonight.

262371 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 9, #1313 of 2021 🔗

I’m sorry. I’m the same. Sending you hugs

262381 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DRW, 4, #1314 of 2021 🔗

Watch this instead. It might cheer you up a bit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Yk7F6Wx9c&feature=youtu.be

262409 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1315 of 2021 🔗

Thanks, made me smile.

262433 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1316 of 2021 🔗

Thanks! I posted that video link on a Bloomberg video about BG. Actually there were even sceptical comments on that Bloomberg video, so word is getting round.

262386 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DRW, 9, #1317 of 2021 🔗

those lecturers and professors ought to be on half pay until they return to work.

262512 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Dominich -, 5, #1318 of 2021 🔗

Just to correct a misconception – this imposed Zoom culture does not make life easier for teaching staff. A close family member (senior lecturer/fellow) is tearing out his hair at the frustrations and much greater time wastage required by having to prepare inflexible electronic lectures – on top of the frustrations of dealing with PhD and post-Doc research students remotely rather than on a face-to face basis.

It’s wise not to jump to simplistic conclusions.

262801 ▶▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to RickH, 2, #1319 of 2021 🔗

If it is experience of the majority of teaching staff why don’t they lobby their university for face to face teaching?

262993 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to JulieR, #1320 of 2021 🔗

The union branch at my place lobbied for full normality. We lost.

Two problems:
1) There are many bed wetters (using the old terminology as describing events in the summer, before the start of term). We could never claim to represent all colleagues on this.
2) The national union organisation is fully on board the corona bus. That gets reported. Those who are not on the bus can be presented as marginal.

262828 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, #1321 of 2021 🔗

Yes, Zoom teaching (and supervising) does actually cause problems for us; I am a lecturer and have needed to modify quite a lot of my teaching and this does take time.

Still, I don’t blame students about missing out on the ‘human’ aspects of being with other students and doing the normal things that students should be doing. We teachers miss the human contact too (well, I’d like to think most of us do…). The main union, however, has been pushing for remote learning and there’s no chance of any change in Semester 2.

262344 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 24, #1322 of 2021 🔗

Update on Simon Dolan’s Judicial Review case:

The legal team has made amends to the 2nd Judicial Review meaning that it’s arguments are in relation not only to the first national lockdown but also include the SECOND lockdown currently taking place in England. The Re-Amended Statement of Facts and Grounds have been filed with the Court and the Government has been served with them.

Our case will argue that the “evidence” presented by Whitty and Vallance at the press conference on 31 October at which the new lockdown was announced included some old, suspect data and was misleading.

We will argue that in fact there was no serious escalation in the epidemic as evidenced by:

– Use of old data and overinflated warnings as to likely deaths – a subject already aired in the media

– The continuing relatively flat excess death figures compared to the five year average for the same period

– The unreliability of PCR tests as a diagnostic tool given their propensity to produce large numbers of “false” positives by picking up dead virus particles in people who have long since recovered from infection

– Lack of transparency about NHS capacity and bed occupancy and in relation to typical conditions at this time of year in previous years with the onset of the usual autumn/ winter upsurge in respiratory infections

That being the case, imposing a lockdown with all the disastrous consequences it has for health, economy etc was disproportionate and irrational.

It is only right that the consequences of both lockdowns imposed on the nation are properly considered by the Court. The most recent measures were pitched to England on the promise that come December 2nd, restrictions would be lifted and people up and down the nation could enjoy Christmas festivities.

Reports suggest that the UK could be plunged into yet more restrictions under the guise of a strengthened tiered approach with SAGE also suggesting further lockdowns will be needed to ‘recover’ from eased restrictions.

What has become evident from the first and second lockdown is that this cycle is not sustainable. Whatever economic measures and packages the Government dangles in front of us, millions are likely to lose their jobs and businesses will be forced to close down.

This flip-flop approach to lockdown, paired with the complete farce that is Test and Trace, is bringing chaos to every echelon of society. Businesses, already up against the wall, are facing another period of unsettling uncertainty. The unemployment rate continues to surge. School attendance is in chaos and with exams already cancelled for thousands, another generation is at risk of being ruined.

Lockdowns cost lives and cannot be allowed to continue.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/

262352 ▶▶ DRW, replying to zacaway, 6, #1323 of 2021 🔗

Not hopeful that it will change anything but you can’t say he isn’t trying.

262355 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to zacaway, 1, #1324 of 2021 🔗

The Judges of England are impotent in these matters.

262418 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to zacaway, 2, #1325 of 2021 🔗

I like that. It gets to the rub with PCR rather than keeping it focused on the impact and evidence for lockdown on a single industry. It might be slow moving but I think if something like that makes progress, the implications will be huge

262356 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 12, #1326 of 2021 🔗

Worldometer have adjusted their worldwide figures. Up until recently Mild Condition 99% serious or Critical 1%

Now

16,855,372
Currently Infected Patients

16,752,226 ( 99.4 %) in Mild Condition

103,146 ( 0.6 %) Serious or Critical

262415 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1327 of 2021 🔗

Check out Sweden. Remember they were in the top 10 deaths per million bad books? Down near Iran now in the 30s, Iran having had multiple recurring lockdowns.

262459 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jonny S., 3, #1328 of 2021 🔗

That’s good, but do you think it will make any difference to the blond pig?

262359 Nobody2020, 11, #1329 of 2021 🔗

Anybody remember this 1980s classic? The Neverending Story.

Even with a vaccine, unless the messaging changes and they actually set a point that’s considered good enough, perfection is likely impossible, we’ll end up with a neverending story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCgfRC6gHtI

262363 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 10, #1330 of 2021 🔗

I just came across the following statement in a book that I am reading (“Flash crash” by Liam Vaughan).

“A 2015 study by the University of Cambridge found autistic traits, such as ….difficulty in taking another person’s point of view… are common among those working in mathematics and science-based professions.”

This explains a lot … I will try to locate the reaearch.

262378 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1331 of 2021 🔗

It could be Simon Baron-Cohen’s work. He is Director of the University’s Autism Research Centre.

262482 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1332 of 2021 🔗

These traits can be smoothed though with real life accountability. Which sadly a lot of theorists never have exposure to.

262368 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1333 of 2021 🔗

7 day average for cases https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases since 25th Oct.
Any change as a consequence of lockdown should have been apparent from about the 12th Nov. No step change no impact. There was NO impact.

262370 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NickR, 4, #1334 of 2021 🔗

Lockdowns don’t work. Who’d of thunk that ?

262377 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to NickR, 8, #1335 of 2021 🔗

Great stuff Nick, that’s ammo for my next victims….
Keep up the good work.
Arnie.

262404 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Arnie, 6, #1336 of 2021 🔗

It seems obvious to me that no BBC journalist, actually any journalist, has appreciated that the Government charts at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths can be interrogated, just click on the top left of the desired date & drag the cursor to the bottom right & it’s all revealed. There you go, the BBC ‘investigative’ team of 2 girl guides and someone off sick, can have that tip for free.

262410 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, 1, #1337 of 2021 🔗

6 of that team are also isolating being a contact of the sick girl. So they don’t have the resource for your drag and drop mastery

262414 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 1, #1338 of 2021 🔗

Try emailing Deborah Cohen. Her contact details are on her website, easily found via the search engine of your choice.

262549 ▶▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to NickR, 1, #1339 of 2021 🔗

Thanks for the tip.
Its not exactly obvious though is it. I’m old school IT and prefer to code with SQL or similar rather than all this point and click malarkey.

262618 ▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #1340 of 2021 🔗

Neaderthal! I’m with the cool kids, I use Excel like the cutting edge crowd at Track n Trace. Hey, if using a spread sheet for a fast moving, dynaimic database when you’ve got £30bn to spend why not get an old copy of Office & play away?

262491 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 4, #1341 of 2021 🔗

… and we need to remember that the data is still about PCR+ results – not actual illness.

262372 NickR, 12, #1342 of 2021 🔗

The specimen case data from https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases just illustrates how the BBC manipulate data. They hold back cases over weekends then release a few days worth so it looks like a day on day increase & claim, guess what, a day on day increase, happens every week. Transparent manipulation.

262373 D B, replying to D B, 2, #1343 of 2021 🔗

I’ve been summoned to a meeting with my UK Head of Communications tomorrow for my recent actions on social media (assumed LinkedIn as it’s the only one I have). Assume my criticism of the government and their handling of things, including referencing them as despots, and calling the response covid madness. Good to see I work for a free speech supporting business.

263155 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to D B, #1344 of 2021 🔗

Let us know how you get on.

262380 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1345 of 2021 🔗

Hospitalisations from https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare should only start to show any impact from Lockdown from about the 16th Nov. Remembering that nosocomial (transfers from other parts of the hospital) is probably running around 25% & has been growing, it’s hard to see any impact from the Lockdown. More transparent nonsense.

262382 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NickR, #1346 of 2021 🔗

Nick, how do the number of hospitalzations in November this years compare with November in previous years?

Do you have that info?

262400 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to calchas, 5, #1347 of 2021 🔗

There’s loads of stuff on this CEBM have done some. During April in Lockdown 1 hospital occupancy never went above 60% (the lowest its’s ever been!!!!).
Occupancy at present is a bit lower than normal.

262437 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to NickR, 1, #1348 of 2021 🔗

Cheers.

So, that tells me that those ‘covid patients’ were admitted to hospital for all sorts of things, test ‘positive’, and automatically become ‘covid patients’.

262475 ▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to calchas, 2, #1349 of 2021 🔗

CEBM report it had risen from 10% to about 25% in early Nov.
It’s worth noting that 82% of all hospitalisations during this whole thing were of people who were ‘diagnosed’ when already patients in hospital

262388 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NickR, 17, #1350 of 2021 🔗

That graph really is a fucking scandalous piece of information. I’ve been shouting at pieces of furniture since about April for them* to publicise hospitalisation and death figures, not just the meaningless “new cases” figure. They never do, and there’s why. Because it proves that lockdown actually achieves fuck all except to wreck everything that makes life worth living.

*The Authorities, not the pieces of furniture.

262423 ▶▶ TJN, replying to NickR, 5, #1351 of 2021 🔗

The charts you’re posting here ought to put Whitty and Vallance in court.

262426 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to TJN, 6, #1352 of 2021 🔗

They shouldn’t be surprised, it’s their data.

262387 NickR, replying to NickR, 20, #1353 of 2021 🔗

Deaths from https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths shouldn’t show any impact from the Lockdown for about another week. All deaths now should be from infections from before the lockdown. These deaths were all already ‘baked in’ as Whitty said.
There was no increase coming. There is no increase coming. Just remind anyone supporting this farce that the lockdown was an unnecessary waste of time, lives, treasure.
It’s truly criminal.

262399 ▶▶ JME, replying to NickR, 5, #1354 of 2021 🔗

Thank you Nick! Brilliant! Don’t suppose you’ve got any contacts in MSM to start asking some difficult questions which will reach a wider audience and maybe make more people think about how much they’ve been conned?

262407 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to JME, 5, #1355 of 2021 🔗

It continues to amaze me that I’ve never seen the detail on these charts shown anywhere else yet they’re published everyday at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths you just have to select your date range & zoom in.

262458 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to JME, 2, #1356 of 2021 🔗

Peter Hitchens has been doing this from day one.

262466 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 6, #1357 of 2021 🔗

Absolutely, Nick. The all-cause statistics (unlike almost everything else to do with Covid) don’t lie.

And in that honest data frame, there is a totally normal seasonal rise in deaths that places the current year at 15th (out of 27) place in the quarter-century time frame.

It is also probable now that deaths caused by lockdown, and limited access to health services, are now beginning to outpace those from Covid by quite a margin. So the impact of direct ‘Covid’ deaths are very low. Thus, without lockdown, we would probably be in a season of relatively low mortality.

aka – the ‘cure’ is now the major problem.

262571 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to NickR, 1, #1358 of 2021 🔗

“Baked in” – what a term. “In the pipe line” is a term that comes to my mind. But they are both crass.

Once more thanks for putting this up.

262671 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NickR, #1359 of 2021 🔗

Should be getting close to 4000 by now shouldn’t it? Or 1000 under Whitty’s hastily remodelled projection. Still quite a long way to go.

262942 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, #1360 of 2021 🔗

Fantastic. Thanks!

262389 HaylingDave, replying to HaylingDave, 53, #1361 of 2021 🔗

“… Social bubbles will have to be announced in advance and social distancing is still in place – so hugs are still banned

Oh, just fuck off.

262401 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to HaylingDave, 10, #1362 of 2021 🔗

Announced to who ? I can’t even get through to my local council for something simple like a council tax statement, been trying since June….

Anyway. GDPR means I can’t simply give out other people’s personal details to a third party as much as I would so love to be able to do so.

Any anyway, what’s the point we all have the t&t app don’t we ? Lol. Idiotic.

262406 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1363 of 2021 🔗

There will be social bubble register – an on line reservation system for our preferred Xmas bubble-ees… Book early, first come first served. Any conflicts will be resolved by an auto-re-allocation process.

262733 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #1364 of 2021 🔗

Don’t give them any ideas. One of the few good loopholes in all this is the bubble system, as there is no registration of it, nobody can prove who is in your bubble. I myself have more bubbles than a bar of Aero.

262440 ▶▶ RickH, replying to HaylingDave, 16, #1365 of 2021 🔗

… and then fuck off a bit further.

The day we agree to a lying, narcissistic and incompetent twat dictating behaviour, is the day we deserve to die.

The remote chance of dying from Covid is … just life.

262444 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to HaylingDave, #1366 of 2021 🔗

Where’s this from?

262452 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1367 of 2021 🔗

From the first story in today’s page.

262477 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to HaylingDave, #1368 of 2021 🔗

Ah, missed it. Thanks. lol! It’s from The Sun, so probably bollocks; sounds like it. How could it possibly be managed or forced on the sheeple?

262446 ▶▶ Mike, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #1369 of 2021 🔗

Well said…Simple and to the point.

262391 Will, 37, #1370 of 2021 🔗

Letter to my MP:

Dear bitch MP,

Please can you provide the evidence that justifies a ban on Pubs offering “wet” sales? Test and trace information should be easily accessible given it is a world class system.

Also, will you be be voting for a law that people wear stars on their chests if they haven’t been tested recently?

Will people who refuse the vaccine be required to wear yellow stars or, better still, will they be herded into concentration camps to protect the healthy population from the “virus” population?

Could you also confirm who will be insuring the planned vaccines?

Yours etc

262393 Leemc23, 17, #1371 of 2021 🔗

So Mr Fridge, the self isolation fanatic, goes live to make his final stand. Gets hit with a luke warm response, gets lobbed a (mildly) difficult question and then switches off his feed. Incredible absolutely incredible. Derision in the socially distanced house…..

3 minutes later we are back, no PM. Just his mate Father Dougal McGuire to take the questions.

Interestingly Father Dougal seems very well prepared with his answers, not phased at all. Almost so effective it would seem that this was the idea all along…..

Maybe Carrie Nice But Dim wanted BJ to have his dinner on time before she hit Twitter ? Or maybe the talk talk connections at number 10 are just shit. Of course they are not and there would be a back up feed etc – but don’t let the truth affect the outcome hey Bo Jo.

And in the meantime millions of lives are being forced into lockdown 3. Of course they won’t call it lockdown. It’s just a case of branding it well…..

I don’t have one bit of respect for these policies and these people.

262396 Stuart, 6, #1372 of 2021 🔗

When’s Stanley Johnson’s reprint of his novel ‘The Virus’ being rushed out?

With vaccine hesitancy and pandemic denial spreading like wildfire, GCHQ and 77th Brigade need all the help they can get.

262402 Alice, replying to Alice, 37, #1373 of 2021 🔗

Great comment on Conservative Woman:

“I became a sceptic around about April when it became clear this Virus was a political tool used by the Climate zealots. Influenza has disappeared and Covid has replaced it. This government should be horse whipped”

262455 ▶▶ John P, replying to Alice, #1374 of 2021 🔗

I opposed the lockdowns from the start, but I have never believed that this virus was a political tool used by the climate zealots.

Agree with the rest of the comment.

262472 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to John P, 12, #1375 of 2021 🔗

That assumes the climate zealots really care about the climate.

“‘Global warming’ is not about the science – UN Admits: ‘Climate change policy is about how we redistribute the world’s wealth’.
Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC’s fourth summary report released in 2007 candidly expressed the priority. Speaking in 2010, he advised, “One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.”

Or, as U.N. climate chief Christina Figueres pointedly remarked, the true aim of the U.N.’s 2014 Paris climate conference was “to change the [capitalist] economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.” ”

https://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/24/global-warming-is-not-about-the-science-un-admits-climate-change-policy-is-about-how-we-redistribute-the-worlds-wealth/

They’re socialists, and it’s about global socialism. They’ve achieved eight months what they’ve wanted to do for years.
That’s why Boris is announcing all the “Green economy” bllx.
It’s not about the climate, and it’s not about a virus.

262707 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to John P, 4, #1376 of 2021 🔗

You haven’t done enough research then. Go back to Maurice Strong in the 90s and his open declaration of bringing about the collapse of our societies. All the same players are involved.. UN. IPCC, WHO, WEF, etc, and all the governments who signed up to Agenda 21, now 2030. All in Lock-Step with the usual suspects, Rockefeller Foundation et al.

After this virus has done its job Greta will appear as if by magic to guide us towards our green dystopian future..

262403 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 18, #1377 of 2021 🔗

Hancock defends spending a small fortune on takeaway food for his staff, because they worked 18 hour days, 7 days a week, which is actually illegal. When will he be arrested

262419 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dan Clarke, 27, #1378 of 2021 🔗

18 hours a day, 7days a week and still produced fuck all of any value

262456 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1379 of 2021 🔗

Working up a hunger, executing tyranny.

262460 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #1380 of 2021 🔗

“they worked 18 hour days, 7 days a week” and destroyed the economy and society.
The country would be in a better state if they’d all stayed at home, in bed.

262463 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lms23, 2, #1381 of 2021 🔗

Bojo spends a lot of time in bed.

262529 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1382 of 2021 🔗

Spot on. Working 18 hours a day is in breach of the working time directive. Facts are facts Matt. Either you lied in defence or you have encouraged a culture where civil servants broke the law and put their health at risk. Which one carries the bigger sentence ?

262590 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1383 of 2021 🔗

Never, let’s hope he’s lynched

262837 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1384 of 2021 🔗

Add that to his long list of crimes.

262412 ▶▶ Mark, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1386 of 2021 🔗

Key questions:

1 Will there be laws requiring vaccination to fly

2 Will there be laws requiring vaccination to enter particular countries

3 Will there be airlines that offer flights without a vaccination requirement?

262417 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mark, 14, #1387 of 2021 🔗

Fine I’ll stay home and keep the money in my pocket

262425 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1388 of 2021 🔗

That’s my plan, but I’ve seen enough of the world to not be that bothered. More concerned for my offspring, two of whom currently live abroad, and all of whom will want to see more of the world.

262435 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 15, #1389 of 2021 🔗

Many of the restrictions don’t affect me directly … but they affect the society I live in, which is a critical part of my well-being.

262442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 1, #1390 of 2021 🔗

Yes, quite so.

262464 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 2, #1391 of 2021 🔗

They’ll have to fight for your future as much as you will theirs is the answer. To be under the impression this will be easy is naive. It is going to get rough unless something drastic happens very soon to derail the vaccine stock holders

262702 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 1, #1392 of 2021 🔗

This will likely be the first winter for 16 years that I haven’t gone somewhere sunny. I like to have a couple of weeks in January in the mediterranean to get a bit of mild sunshine, to break the winter up. But if I’m banned from doing it, I’ll get by as for most of my life I got by without it.

262431 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, #1393 of 2021 🔗

Yes.

Yes.

No.

262448 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 1, #1394 of 2021 🔗

You seem to know a lot calchas. What is your source?

I would tend to agree, but as far as I know nothing is certain on this score as yet.

262445 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Mark, #1395 of 2021 🔗

Qantas have messed me about several times appalling airline. Good luck Mr Joyce I wonder how long this will last for when you are down on the $s.

262525 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Mark, 1, #1396 of 2021 🔗

1) no
2) possibly, but simply put go somewhere that does not.
3) yes. Money talks.

262439 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1397 of 2021 🔗

Won’t the market sort this out, though. i.e. some airlines will offer vaccine-free travel so that people like me will give them money to use their planes?

262441 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to kenadams, 1, #1398 of 2021 🔗

It will be very tempting for countries to require vaccines to enter them.

262413 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 14, #1399 of 2021 🔗

Anyone in Barry Sheerman’s constitutency? https://twitter.com/BarrySheerman/status/1330917147833413634

“I begged the Prime Minister to continue the strictest lockdown regime until the vaccines are available this is a National Emergency & the Tier system hasn’t worked!”

Words fail

262432 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1400 of 2021 🔗

Sheerman has always been a tosser of the first water.

That apart – the sheer ignorance of MPs is mind-blowing, given that they collectively have massive resources to do the sort of basic research that we do.

262434 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1401 of 2021 🔗

Absolutey unforgivable. To call for that is sheer lunacy.

262522 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1402 of 2021 🔗

That a full grown man admits to begging anyone is damming. Where is your dignity man ? Idiot.

262531 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1403 of 2021 🔗

Oh my word. He’s not my MP, but I do live in the same town.

I am taking some heart from the scathing comments and the fact that, an hour after he posted it, he’s only got 19 likes. Another even more lunatic one only has six.

262532 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #1404 of 2021 🔗

Actually, I don’t live in the same town. He lives in London, and is barely if ever seen round here.

262911 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Now More Than Ever, #1405 of 2021 🔗

Yes. McCartney is a useless twerp but he does at least litter pick in his village from time to time – anything for a photo-op.

262659 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1406 of 2021 🔗

He’ll be asking for Tier 3 then. Or is it Tier 4 now, I don’t watch the briefings.

262912 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #1407 of 2021 🔗

It’s on the cards. Kirklees has had an explosion of positives this past week. 🙁

262907 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #1408 of 2021 🔗

I moved out of his constituency 4 years ago. Unfortunately my new MP is crap too.

262422 kf99, 5, #1409 of 2021 🔗

Holyrood we have a problem. How do we announce at our daily news briefing that there is a new vaccine without mentioning where it comes from, who developed it and who paid for it?”

https://twitter.com/Effiedeans/status/1330843776210841603

262429 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 33, #1410 of 2021 🔗

Made the grave mistake of clicking on #lockdown3 on Twitter – full of fannies crying that their precious feet-up time is ending, that millions are going to die as a result of restrictions easing, and that anyone who wants to go back to normal is a selfish murderer. Jesus Christ, the world has gone totally mad. The government has radicalised its population through fear. Derren Brown is kicking himself that he didn’t think this up for one of his TV shows. Then again such blatant brainwashing wouldn’t be allowed because it is unethical.

262438 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 11, #1411 of 2021 🔗

Remember SM is not real life, its disproportionately full of zealots and cartmans, plus bots and 77 types.

262454 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 4, #1412 of 2021 🔗

Only a tenth of their accounts actually post. Everyone else is just lurking

262655 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DRW, 4, #1413 of 2021 🔗

Quite. How many of us here are on Twitter? I’m willing to bet not many. And hardly anyone that I know in real life is either, at least no one normal and over the age of 40.

262499 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Poppy, 2, #1414 of 2021 🔗

As Richard Harris said of the UK in the film Juggernaut,

“Doesn’t anybody in this bloody country work anymore?”

262534 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Poppy, 5, #1415 of 2021 🔗

It is amazing how many educated and apparently otherwise normal people are terrified of this virus and are convinced it might get them at any moment and they might drop down dead. It is as if they have been taken over by some weird hysterical religious cult like the Branch Davidian sect on steroids. They are impervious to any rational logical look at the data or facts.
It is not helped that Oberfuhrer Johnson looks terrible like he is auditioning for a bit part in the remake of the Zombie movie Return of the Living Dead. His talk from self isolation was like talking to a Demented Grandad in a Care Home via a Skype call, especially when he managed to mute himself, probably for the best really!
Johnson reminds me of Captain Bligh , the question is will anyone take up the role of Fletcher Christian and rid us of of this dreadful horrible monster?

262901 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, #1416 of 2021 🔗

He was probably hungover.

263153 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Steve Martindale, #1417 of 2021 🔗

Branch Covidians

262673 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Poppy, #1418 of 2021 🔗

You’re in good company, against my better judgement I logged into neglected Failbook page today to see if there were any birthday messages and soon wished I’d not. Whining mummies in comfortable houses braying to close the schools as soon as possible; trashy local radio station (owned by multinational) endorsing a Sanctimony Award 2020 candidate who’d printed an ‘It goes over your nose!’ muzzle…I cleared cookies and quit sharpish.

262715 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #1419 of 2021 🔗

Happy birthday!

262781 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #1420 of 2021 🔗

Happy Birthday!

262903 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #1421 of 2021 🔗

Happy Birthday!

262430 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1422 of 2021 🔗

Did you see JHB massacring Jobsworth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PePVRn91DaA

262451 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1423 of 2021 🔗

Yet another bad egg, that one.

On ‘the list’.

262492 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1424 of 2021 🔗

Absolutely useless politician. I didn’t realise it was possible to be worse than useless but listening to him talk confirmed the existance.

262779 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1425 of 2021 🔗

Such mental gymnastics to avoid actually stating a case.

He wants to say the reason we are in the mess we are because we missed Lockdown in March by two weeks? No evidence for that 11 months into this, but sure, who needs that.

Then he says the solution to a failed £12bn test and trace is MORE test and trace, just a change of management.

The labour benches have no space for integrity. The believe that by watching the government sink the country they can steam in for the win. Unfortunately, there won’t be a ship left to steer.

262449 Ben, 7, #1426 of 2021 🔗

Dr Marcus Papadopoulos does not mince his words when talking about the World Economic Forum:

https://twitter.com/DrMarcusP/status/1328758092289503240?s=20

262450 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #1427 of 2021 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55047597

Students in England will be urged to take two Covid tests three days apart, to cut the risk of spreading infection when they travel home for Christmas.
These are lateral flow tests with rapid results – with those testing negative expected to leave university within the following 24 hours, according to the latest guidelines seen by the BBC.

Students who test positive will be directed towards taking another type of test – a PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test to confirm whether they are infected – and will have to stay and self-isolate while waiting for the result.

But those who test positive from this PCR test will be required to stay in their term-time accommodation for 10 days of self-isolation – which should still leave enough time to get back before Christmas.

So the determining test is the discredited PCR.

262465 ▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 6, #1428 of 2021 🔗

At least the lateral flow test seems to have a lower false positive rate. At some point someone, surely has to challenge the efficacy of the PCR test in a court of law. Bollocks to all the other legal challenges, declare the PCR test legally flawed and we might be out of this nightmare.

262473 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 11, #1429 of 2021 🔗

Not only that but follow the trail. We need to make it known that using such a test was clearly a tool of authority to lock down healthy people. The argument that it was the best we had doesn’t cut it. The casedemic is created is a crime against humanity

262498 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1430 of 2021 🔗

It is in effect a tool of “authority” to lock down healthy people, but I don’t agree that it was intended that way.

It has been a useful tool for Johnson and his cabal to cover their backsides.

262514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 6, #1431 of 2021 🔗

If one believes the conspiracy theories (World Economic Forum, the Great Reset, Agenda 21 etc) then these tests have never been about health. The fact that so many healthy people are being declared unwell because of them and that so many people are questioning their use – but they are still being used to drive up ‘cases’ to justify lockdowns, lends weight to the conspiracy theories

I wish it was not the case, but it seems as if ‘the virus’ has been used to usher in economic plundering and totalitarianism. New laws passed in Germany attest to this

262712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ben, #1432 of 2021 🔗

Given that the WEF site and Klaus Schwab openly show and talk about The Great Reset (as Trudeau talked about a reset the other day) I hardly think it’s conspiracy theory!

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

DavidC

262750 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 1, #1433 of 2021 🔗

There is a case in Germany starting today according to Rosie which is aiming squarely at the PCR test developed by Dorsten et al at the very start of this covid madness in Janurary. They are claiming massive intentional fraud.

Believe it or not, they have evidence that they believe supports this huge claim and we will get to see how good that evidence is.

262479 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, 10, #1434 of 2021 🔗

I understand that the focus of Reiner Fuellmich’s legal challenges will be the demonstrably unfitness for purpose of the highly, but likely intentionally, flawed PCR test.

262487 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Rowan, #1435 of 2021 🔗

Based on his interviews with Mike Yeadon and Claire Craig, yes, that seems to be the case. Unfortunately I don’t speak Germany so not sure what they were discussing in the most recent video they posted on YT.

262493 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Rowan, 6, #1436 of 2021 🔗

It’s not “intentionally flawed”. It was never designed as a diagnostic tool in the first place. It’s not fit for purpose.

262773 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rowan, #1437 of 2021 🔗

One of the technical aspects to it is that RT-PCR targets three separate DNA sequences that they believe indicates presence of SARS-CoV-2. And in a true positive using a traditional PCR, not for SARS-CoV-2 but anything else, you would expect all three to be located to ensure the test is accurate. Think of it as three markers, and one marker would be in 70% of positive tests, the others 30% and 20%. Or at least the 70% marker and one other.

The PCR tests being used today for SARS-CoV-2 apparently ring a positive if just one marker is flagged, even the 20% one. Off Guardian have done a couple of excellent items on this alleging outright fraud. That’s where you’ll find the source for that stuff.

262481 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Will, #1438 of 2021 🔗

Dolan is challenging it as part of his case

262490 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Will, 6, #1439 of 2021 🔗

that is THE achilles heel – once the PCR test is legally destroyed (as it has been in Portugal), everything else that was built upon it falls too…

262471 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 8, #1440 of 2021 🔗

Brilliant – so if they fail a relatively accurate test (or so it seems), they then confirm it using a technique with a shambolic record for medical diagnostic tests. That’s just amazing.

Utter insanity. At least it’s only “urged” – if I were a student, I’d tell these people what they can do with their urges.

262488 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, 1, #1441 of 2021 🔗

No, they only get tested with PCR if they test positive in the LF test – according to the original poster. To confirm the positive result.

They don’t get tested with PCR if they test negative. (It’s still ridiculous).

262485 ▶▶ Hoppity, replying to p02099003, 3, #1442 of 2021 🔗

“urged”, “voluntary”, etc.. With no testing on offer at some universities.

262502 ▶▶ guy153, replying to p02099003, 1, #1443 of 2021 🔗

If you test positive with both tests there’s a very low chance you don’t have a real infection.

262521 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to guy153, 2, #1444 of 2021 🔗

A cold? The flu? A sniffle? Asymptomatic even?

Is that enough reason to destroy the economy, cancel millions of medical treatments and trash civil liberties?

262714 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ben, #1445 of 2021 🔗

Errm…no?

DavidC

262510 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to p02099003, 3, #1446 of 2021 🔗

PCRclaims

PCR testing has been global catastrophe, it is responsible for massive collateral damage driving perverse public health policy. Launching soon! #pcrclaims

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/with_replies

262474 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1447 of 2021 🔗

Who could have guessed that, just a few days after the Bill Gates told jester Boris (on Nov 11) what was supposed to be done next, they would release the ORDERS SO EARLY?!

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262505 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 11, #1448 of 2021 🔗

REALLY EASY OPERATION…

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262480 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #1449 of 2021 🔗

My son finished his shift on the checkout at a high street discount store today and he said it was “manic” with queues like the Saturday before Christmas.
WHAT BLEEDIN LOCKDOWN?,?,??

262489 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1450 of 2021 🔗

I went into the office today for the 1st time since March and the roads are mostly busy (SW London).

262506 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1451 of 2021 🔗

Modern Slaves second main code running is “CONSUME”… 1st “OBEY”!

262511 ▶▶ John P, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1452 of 2021 🔗

Well that’s good news, but perhaps you would like to tell my local print shop?

262518 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1453 of 2021 🔗

A friend has just reported that Asda was equally manic this afternoon with trolleys piled high and queues at all the tills and an age to get out of the car park. Christmas/Brexit/panic buying before new tier system?

262686 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1454 of 2021 🔗

Same where I live – roads are busy but the buses were dead.

During my walks, I’ve been to the City and its less dead than it was only 2 months ago, more offices are certainly open and seems to me that more people are going to work.

262495 Fingerache Philip., 9, #1455 of 2021 🔗

Why oh why do they keep rolling out the obviously prompted sheep churning out the usual mantra: ” if we have to go into a stricter lockdown to beat, blah,blah,blah”, when anyone with half a brain can see that most people are ignoring LD2 anyway.

262496 Ben, replying to Ben, 2, #1456 of 2021 🔗

Head of the World Health Organisation decides post-quarantine that he doesn’t *need* to do a Covid test cause he feels fine

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ExXsQA5JpWw

262528 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ben, 6, #1457 of 2021 🔗

Unlike the rest of us who will need to be tested every week to get our freedom pass. Once again, none of the rules apply to those who make them.

262650 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ben, 1, #1458 of 2021 🔗

I feel fine too. Can we get back to normal now please?

262497 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 11, #1459 of 2021 🔗

The best signs of cult behaviour or obsessional compulsive disorder is thinking that doing more will make it better.

Rather than stop doing it and doing the opposite.

262504 ▶▶ John P, replying to mhcp, 4, #1460 of 2021 🔗

Or just stop doing it. If you are a compulsive hand washer you just stop compulsively hand washing. There’s no opposite. (I speak as a now long recovered teenage sufferer).

262558 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 5, #1461 of 2021 🔗

… and, as we know, insanity is doing the same thing again and again under the delusion that you will get a different result.

262501 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 4, #1462 of 2021 🔗

Seconds ago this is, I got a reply from my MP. What’s she going on about? What shall I say in reply?

Dear Rosie
Thank you for contacting me about a second national lockdown in England.
Everybody is concerned about the rise in infections, hospital admissions and – tragically – the number of deaths. People in our constituency and right across the country will be anxious about what will happen in England over the coming weeks; anxious about their health and the health of their friends and family, and anxious about their jobs.
That is why in October I joined with my colleagues in calling on the UK Government to implement a short circuit-break in England, in line with the recommendations of scientific advisors.
I am disappointed that Ministers in the UK Government did not act on the recommendations of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) back in September, only to ask MPs weeks later to approve emergency regulations to shut England down. I am concerned that the delay in introducing restrictions will come at an economic cost and a human cost, and as a result, this lockdown will be longer than it needed to be.
I did not come into Parliament to restrict people’s freedoms, ​to prevent people meeting their friends and their loved ones, or to decide when people can and cannot leave their home or how many people may attend a funeral. I do not want Parliament to be closing businesses, gyms, bars or places of worship. Indeed, I do not want Parliament to be legislating on any of these issues, least of all after the British public have made so many enormous sacrifices already.
While these new restrictions for England are not in any way desirable or perfect, I do not believe there is any excuse for inaction or for allowing the virus to continue to spread. It is with a heavy heart, and in the national interest, that I support them.
More widely, I believe the UK Government must use this lockdown to expand testing and fix contact tracing. This should include regular testing programmes to ensure key workers and those most at risk are using new, readily available rapid turn-around tests, including those developed by UK universities.
Scaling up community testing is vital to help protect jobs and restore confidence in businesses and the economy, and to keep workers, their families and communities safe by identifying those who may be carrying the virus without symptoms. I believe a plan to roll out strategic mass testing would give a clear, coherent roadmap for the next phase of containing the virus.
The Test and Trace system in England has been overwhelmed and concerns have repeatedly been raised about the speed at which test results are returned, the number of contacts of positive cases being reached, and the extent to which data about confirmed cases is shared with local authorities and local public health teams. The outsourcing of Test and Trace to private firms has been widely criticised by experts, including the British Medical Association. I have long argued that local public health teams and the NHS, backed by resources and national support, would be more effective at contact tracing.
Finally, I support calls for the UK Government to use the Spending Review, due this week on 25 November 2020, to give the NHS and social care sector in England the funding needed throughout lockdown and beyond.
Thank you once again for contacting me about this important issue. I will continue to bear in mind the points you have raised as matters relating to lockdown and restrictions are debated.
Ellie

Ellie Reeves MP

262508 ▶▶ John P, replying to Rosie, 9, #1463 of 2021 🔗

Well done for trying, but you’re clearly not going to get anywhere with her!

262524 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rosie, 11, #1464 of 2021 🔗

“Ellie” and all her family is going to get thrown under the bus with the the rest of us when the technocracy is rolled out. She is voting for her own destruction.

262533 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Rosie, 16, #1465 of 2021 🔗

I don’t know if it will help but this was my response when I got the safe guff email reply from my MP after I wrote urging her to vote against Lockdown 2

Dear Ms Long-Bailey

Thank you for your response.

However, reading through the many many lines of text – it would appear that, in contradiction of the immense damage you yourself outline to businesses and the lives of your Salford constituents and despite the very detailed and strong evidence of the virus no longer meeting the criteria of a pandemic you still voted in favour of this national lockdown and your only concern is that it didn’t come sooner. The bulk of your reply is a combination of political bile and SAGE scripted propaganda. SHAME ON YOU. LOCKDOWNS KILL.

Your faithfully

262562 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1466 of 2021 🔗

PS for clarity, I didn’t vote for her, unfortunately Salford is a Labour seat however I vote, though I notice that their percent vote share dropped at the last election.

262537 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Rosie, 5, #1467 of 2021 🔗

Typical Labour boilerplate with the “harder and earlier” and T&T-obsessed rubbish.

262539 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Rosie, 6, #1468 of 2021 🔗

Point her specifically to Germany and their test and trace issues. South Korea seeing rising cases again.

Ask her to point to a single European nation where T& T has worked well and prevented a second lockdown. Really ask her to produce the rationale of her “T and T run by Councils will solve this” argument. What is she basing that on exactly? As that is crux of her argument. So she must have a solid evidence base.

Point her to Merkel comments that her T and T is struggling too.

Point her to WHO 2019 guidance which said once an epidemic take hold T and T is an exercise in chasing shadows. So she has no historical basis of for T and T as the WHO based their guidnance on the best avaliable info then.

Get specifics. She surely has none and is using it as a political slogan when in fact it has no basis in fact and would continue to throw good money after bad.

262649 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1469 of 2021 🔗

South Korea is going to upset a lot of people. Some are convinced that test and trace was the reason for their “success”. Also Japan now has cases rising, my brother was convinced that their fondness for masks and cleaning fetishes were responsible for them getting off lightly in the spring. If the British people weren’t so filthy, etc etc.

262726 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, #1470 of 2021 🔗

I have had such debates and then gone back to said person with glee to say “Look!”

They never admit any ounce of folly or willingness to now listen to more.

They just continue on,

262545 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Rosie, 3, #1471 of 2021 🔗

Where is the evidence that
1) Covid is unprecedented?
2) Lockdowns help?
3) T&T helps?
4) Costs of lockdown and T&T outweigh benefits?
Given that lockdowns are unorthodox and have never been the WHO recommended method of dealing with a pandemic, and T&T is by the WHO’s own admission pointless once a virus in endemic as this one is

262721 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Julian, #1472 of 2021 🔗

Errm…there isn’t any?

DavidC

262553 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, 4, #1473 of 2021 🔗

and – tragically – the number of deaths”

… to which the only answer is “What f.ing deaths?” –

… the actual (normal level) deaths aren’t mainly from Covid .

262734 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to RickH, #1474 of 2021 🔗

There’s none so blind as those who will not see.

I did some (basic) analysis on the UK population and annual deaths by percentage since 1951 (the earliest date that Gov.uk has deaths from). This year, extrapolated to the end of the year we’re at number 53 out of 70, it’s not even in top half!

I recounted this to a Zoom group I was on last Thursday, the immediate response was “Well thanks for that David I’m sure all the people who’ve died from Covid this year will be very grateful for that fact”.

Sheeesh…

DavidC

262556 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Rosie, 7, #1475 of 2021 🔗

Why does the NHS need more funding? It’s not as though they’re doing any work.

262631 ▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 4, #1476 of 2021 🔗

All those heavy hearts. Makes me SICK.

262690 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 2, #1477 of 2021 🔗

These fools think they are clever by chucking in “with a heavy heart”.
She is Labour too, on Starmers front bench.
Hateful people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Reeves
Also tell her even SAGE and the WHO DID NOT RECOMMEND contact tracing and isolation as a viable means of controlling the virus.
I have a table somewhere…

262777 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1478 of 2021 🔗

That language works on sheeple – they lap it up. Stupid fuckers.

262637 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Rosie, 3, #1479 of 2021 🔗

Shockingly similar to the letter I received from my Lib Dem MP. We should have locked down sooner, I hate lockdowns of course and it’s all the government’s fault that it’s come to this but it would have been a better lockdown if we’d locked down when the Scientists told us to, or if we were in power the lockdown would only have lasted 5 minutes and eradicated every last viral particle in the land and of course Test and Trace would have magically worked, etc etc.

I see she’s used the dreaded T word. Perhaps you should ask her to rank cause of death in order of Tragic-ness. Presumably Covid is Number One in her world. Is an 82-year-old dying of Covid more tragic than an 82-year-old dying of dementia or a newborn baby dying of other health problems because interstate travel was forbidden, as happened in Australia? Should we make more efforts to prevent Covid deaths than any other cause of death? Is two deaths from other causes to prevent one Covid death an acceptable ratio? I don’t think these sorts of questions have even approached these people’s minds, let alone crossed them.

262740 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1480 of 2021 🔗

Two weeks sooner lockdown in March would have done nothing. We are 9 months further into this and we are still in Lockdown. How would two weeks back then have had any difference? Have they some ICL model which shows this or what?

262647 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rosie, 2, #1481 of 2021 🔗

Looks cut and paste to me plus the crocodile tears are so obvious.

262675 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Rosie, 1, #1482 of 2021 🔗

Do you think now that MPS only reply in platitudes that time could be better spent on other activities? I read so many brilliant letters LS posters are writing but tbh I just think it’s obvious we know far more than them on any given COVID topic. They are not doing their research, they won’t do it and they won’t be swayed.

262677 ▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 3, #1483 of 2021 🔗

If another of these pathetic little worms says ‘with a heavy heart…’
They no more have hearts than they have brains.

262815 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 3, #1484 of 2021 🔗

I’d not realised that she was front bench now. That explains why its so much worse than previous missives from her. I said this in reply:

But Ellie

There’s no need for any of this. The virus is another cold/flu virus. It’s nasty but treatable.

This time last year we had cold and flu viruses and didn’t do any of this. No need for astronomically expensive track and trace. No need for an vastly expensive vaccine. No need for masks. None of it.

Nothing has materially changed. Can you not see that? What sort of world are you creating for yourself and your loved ones. Please think about it from a wider perspective. This ‘new normal’ where we have no freedom no joy and no happiness is not a life worth living.

Rosie

262948 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Rosie, 1, #1485 of 2021 🔗

This looks suspiciously similar to the response I got a few weeks ago from my MP (Labour) looks like they got a bloody group rate or something, on the text!

My response is to be polite but firm & try to hit them hard – point them to Yeadon, for example, also if there’s instances of lockdown deaths in local news, sadly the death of a young Mother was featured in our local news recently, having been ‘on a pause list’ for cancer treatment during LD 1… Undoubtedly there will be many like her. Also I addressed the flaws in the test, and that it specifically is a DNA test & is not suitable to determine infectious persons (Allyson Pollock made this point clearly on BBC news) and asked if that meant her endorsement of such, is tantamount to assisting a fraud.
I ended by noting that by proposing large scale t&t they are contradicting SAGE, who quite specifically said after a certain point it will not be any use!
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/888776/S0376_Eighth_SAGE_meeting_on_Wuhan_Coronavirus__Covid-19__.pdf

262503 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 8, #1486 of 2021 🔗

Anyone for footie? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8978553/Fans-allowed-stadiums-Covid-19-lockdown-need-know.html

  • Masks to be worn everywhere except when seated, however that is expected to change and masks will probably have to be worn before, during and after a match

Yuk

262515 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1487 of 2021 🔗

Mask exempt. So they will have to find me a box.

262542 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1488 of 2021 🔗

That’ll allow you into a cricket match 🙂

262557 ▶▶▶▶ assoc, replying to RickH, #1489 of 2021 🔗

Very good I

262519 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1490 of 2021 🔗

Absolutely pointless. Football is dead. It’ll be the largest consolidation exercise in the history of any industry.

262520 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to arfurmo, #1491 of 2021 🔗

Just self exempt yourself, simple.

262530 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to arfurmo, 8, #1492 of 2021 🔗

“Fans will have to carry photo-identification so the club knows they are the person who bought the ticket and they can be contacted in the event of a coronavirus outbreak”.

Oh just fuck off! That will rule out loads of fans getting a ticket – they won’t have photo identification.

262536 ▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 11, #1493 of 2021 🔗

I expect mass spectator events will either never return or be very limited numbers or require negative test, vaccination cert or mask or some combination of the above.

I can’t see them returning to pre-coronamadness modus operandi

My days of going to such events are over

Smaller scale operations in sport, music or other entertainment will probably fold as they’ll be unable to bear the cost of policing this or the reduced revenue from limited numbers

Even if they recognise mask exemptions, any pleasure to be had from such an event would be far outweighed by the unpleasantness of being surrounded by muzzles

262575 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 1, #1494 of 2021 🔗

It was already said last week that Premier League spectators will need a vax cert to fully return to stadia.

262645 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 5, #1495 of 2021 🔗

That’s true but what will happen when they go bust?

I would rather boycott.

I went for many, many years without going to live concerts and theatre. I can do so again.

262606 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1496 of 2021 🔗

I don’t want to go to the bloody football. Or the cinema. Or to the pub for a substantial meal. I just want it to be legal to see family and friends again. Why are people being fobbed off by this?

262630 ▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1497 of 2021 🔗

Imagine that ghastly sea of faceless ghouls.
Double yuk.

262527 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 12, #1498 of 2021 🔗

It seems if the BBC and the media and the “scientists” tell you often enough that this vaccine is safe, then it is safe.

No mention that a vaccine by experience takes a number of years to develop. And when you short cut stuff, things go wrong.

Take a look at the 737 MAX issue to see this.

Or Space Shuttle Challenger.

262538 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mhcp, 5, #1499 of 2021 🔗

There was a post earlier from a doctor saying that NHS staff are getting the unlicensed Pfizer shots starting 1st December. That’s next week folks.

As I would expect this to be buried by MSM, can anyone else corroborate this finding?

262551 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Richard O, 12, #1500 of 2021 🔗

My wife is one of them. And she and her staff are very worried. I’m also seeing the Vaccine Apartheid appearing. People really don’t realise what is about to happen.

262563 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to mhcp, 10, #1501 of 2021 🔗

We need serious pushback from the NHS opposition group. That might get some others thinking again.

262581 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to mhcp, 6, #1502 of 2021 🔗

Many thanks for confirming. So this is the real deal. Buckle up folks.

262670 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to mhcp, 4, #1503 of 2021 🔗

Are they being forced to have it?

262555 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to Richard O, 3, #1504 of 2021 🔗

Surely they can just refuse!

262810 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to assoc, 1, #1505 of 2021 🔗

This worry/fear/panic has been voiced a lot today downthread

262596 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to mhcp, 8, #1506 of 2021 🔗

It appears that none of the vaccines being trialled are actually intended to confer immunity as such although it is hoped that they will lessen symptoms, or appear to do so; the optimism is based on evidence that is distinctly lacking in volume or specificity. Maybe they will be safe but ineffective in any way that will be truly worthwhile, maybe they will be relatively useful but harmful to some recipients. It might be reassuring if they were just aiming at the former! The relatively small number who are at risk of dying from the disease, if properly managed, will make it very difficult to tell how effective a vaccine is in any case, so spurious victory can be easily claimed. As far as flu vaccine is concerned, I don’t believe there has ever been a proper randomised control study which identifies how it affects mortality, it is an unknown. In view of the lack of seriousness of any symptoms for the vast majority, natural immunity would be infinitely preferable to an ineffective or harmful product.

262755 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to mhcp, #1507 of 2021 🔗

Precisely. Novel vaccine based on mRNA, developed well within a year and for pharmaceutical companies who cannot be litigated against for any problems or deaths associated with them (who payes? The taxpayer).

Thanks, but no thanks.

DavidC

262855 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to mhcp, #1508 of 2021 🔗

One of the things that concerns me is that there has been no time to study how these vaccines might react with other established vaccines (or indeed, any other medications) to make a potentially hazardous cocktail. Perhaps someone with more specialised knowledge could tell me whether or not this a reasonable concern?

262535 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #1509 of 2021 🔗

Nice comment found about PCR cycles

regarding the PCR “test” a loose example that i have been giving people since this started is making a photocopy of a photocopy, then making a photocopy of the new photocopy, repeat … They get that the picture is going to be less and less accurate

262546 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to stefarm, 2, #1510 of 2021 🔗

Not a bad analogy but, if I understand correctly, what the test is looking for – short strands of rna – is not even unique to SARS-CoV-2.

262696 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1511 of 2021 🔗

Correct I think but easily relatable for the average Tom, Dick and Harriet to understand, no point in getting too scientific

262766 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to stefarm, 2, #1512 of 2021 🔗

No, but the reason that the test produces false positives, particularly at higher cycle thresholds, is that the sequences which are being bracketed have a very high percentage similarity with sequences which naturally occur in the human genome. Amplify too much, get too close, you will always get a positive. PCR is a very unsatisfactory test for this purpose.

262762 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1513 of 2021 🔗

I seem to recall reading that the test(s) were originally looking at three different nucleotide fragments but it is now only one. And, as you say, it might not even be a unique one.

DavidC

262540 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1514 of 2021 🔗

Brilliant video about the motives of anti-lockdowners

Lockdown: The Right Side Of History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJc2Ybe7F3E&feature=emb_logo

262548 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1515 of 2021 🔗

We can only hope we are.

262668 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 4, #1516 of 2021 🔗

There is no doubt about it whatsoever.
THEY just donmt know it yet.

262697 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 2, #1517 of 2021 🔗

Let’s not forget history is written by the winners.

262719 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 2, #1518 of 2021 🔗

That’s what I meant.

262745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, #1519 of 2021 🔗

We can’t guarantee that it will be us.

262760 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1520 of 2021 🔗

That was brilliant – thank you for sharing

262543 DThom, replying to DThom, 7, #1521 of 2021 🔗

Remind me how many people under 65 have died from this “virus”?
How many of them had another illness?

262567 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DThom, 4, #1522 of 2021 🔗

Probably on a par with suicides in the same age bracket if they ever release the data.

262661 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to leggy, 4, #1523 of 2021 🔗

It’s worth remembering that the pathologist who has probably done more Covid-19 post-mortems than anyone else in Europe (Professor Klaus Pueschel of the University Medical Centre in Hamburg) said months ago that ‘no-one has died of Covid-19 alone’. Every Covid victim he has examined had co-morbidities (in some cases previously undiagnosed conditions). Most of the reports about his work are in German, but Spiegel International published this one in English:

https://www.spiegel.de/international/learning-from-the-dead-what-autopsies-can-reveal-about-covid-19-a-6d9db1d4-1a47-4603-843a-94c949a29161

This information has been in the public domain since April, so I find it hard to believe the Government’s claims that they lacked information at the start of the pandemic – even if they did, it was clear virtually from the outset who was most at risk, and the ‘lockdowns’ have been completely unnecessary.

262576 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to DThom, 7, #1524 of 2021 🔗

It’s miniscule.

As of 19 November, 339 people under 60 without pre-existing conditions have died.

The age brackets are:

Pre-existing conditions
Age Yes No
0-19 18 4
20-39 215 38
40-59 2,419 297
60-79 13,662 690

FYI you can find this from @ukcovid19stats and/or NHS website.

262609 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #1525 of 2021 🔗

Interesting thanks.

Pre-existing conditions includes what though?

ie are we talking about seriously ill people here? Or the average Brit?

262634 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to NappyFace, 4, #1526 of 2021 🔗

Yes; generally it means serious illness e.g. cancer, heart disease but also diabetes, obesity, COPDs i.e. something that has serious implications on your health.

262656 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to NappyFace, 5, #1527 of 2021 🔗

Sorry about the layout above but the comment function doesn’t recognise tabbing so it looks a bit jumbled.

The most interesting point is that the younger a person is and the better their health, the fewer have died. And yet we are killing our societal norms/economy.

BTW, the final category listed by them is

80+ for which those who dies and had pre-existing conditions is: 19492
and those without is 635.

Basically, as Ivor Cummins says in his YT video, essentially, in the winter, respiratory illness every year sadly carry off the elderly. Covid-19 is another respiratory illness and for many who are dying of it, they would have (sadly, again) died of another one, be it flu or pneumonia.

But normally, we don’t do this and kill off our society, economy etc.

262737 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #1528 of 2021 🔗

From time to time the MSM come out with a horror story about a healthy young somebody who upped and died of Covid.
Wales Online had one about a mother and son who died. Judging by the pic of their surviving relatives, they were almost certainly grossly obese, but this of course was not mentioned.
Then the DM came out with a story about a fit, healthy bloke who died of bleeding in the brain and a heart attack, both allegedly ’caused’ by Covvie. This was one of a slew if stories told by relatives trotted out to exhort the rest of us not to enjoy Christmas because if we do, our relatives will immediately die of bleeding in the brain, etc.
The mere fact that the bletherers make so much of these stories is proof that death by Covvie in the young is extremely rare.

262805 ▶▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #1529 of 2021 🔗

Thanks very much.

The trouble with this whole thing is working out how dangerous it actually is, and how different a risk it is eg to the flu.

The news reports are wilfully misleading, so are best ignored.

The issue I have is that whilst Boris and Hancock aren’t the sharpest (so one could expect them to be clueless about this matter) the many pro-lockdown scientists are not complete idiots.

What is it they are seeing that is such a different and extreme interpretation of what needs to be done?

I’m aware they seem to be ignoring the impact of their measures, which seems strange in a public health role.

But just playing Devil’s Advocate – is there something we are missing?

My take on it to date has been that they have gone completely mad.

The risks from what they are doing are staggering – who knows what the impact will be even in six months? Let alone further down the line. They appear to completely ignore this.

At the same time, it appears that they have grossly overestimated the danger of the virus.

But then I’m not a professor of epidemiology!

262718 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1530 of 2021 🔗

Alzheimers and Dementia are the top two co-morbidities.

Its even more stark in that the average number of co-morbidities in a covid death is 2.1. So for example, Alzheimers, Diabetes and Covid.

262633 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #1531 of 2021 🔗

Thanks

263002 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #1532 of 2021 🔗

For comparison there were 5691 suicides in England and Wales in 2019 according to ONS, peak age is mid 40’s, about 75% of suicides are men, the bulk of suicides are under 60

262544 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1533 of 2021 🔗

A question for the technical guys – how are the vaccine developers checking the safety of their products when it comes to pregnant women and their unborn children?

262572 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1534 of 2021 🔗

they’re not

262577 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1535 of 2021 🔗

Ask the thousands of infertile women in Africa and India.

262591 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1536 of 2021 🔗

Well, the one thing they are definitely not doing is testing their own families first.
There is a very good reason architects were made to live under the arches of their own bridges at one point, similarly town planners, believers in the NHS and state education