2020-11-24

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263179 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 51, #1 of 1913 🔗

Good morning.

Just reading Tom Chivers in Unherd about the Oxford vaccine. Regardless of what you think about this vaccine or vaccines in general, consider this: like so many of the “rational,” “moderate” commentators Chivers uses the word “lethal” in reference to covid. “…given how lethal this disease can be, it is nonetheless good news that no one ended up dying or in the ICU.”
It’s lethal on an individual level if you die of it. So is an ingrowing toenail, which can get infected leading to death by blood poisoning. But we don’t define “lethality” in this way because it’s MEANINGLESS.
Except that meaning is dead. All that matters now is the signalling and inculcation of emotion.
And emotions can be inculcated perfectly through the manipulation of meaning. For instance, in the same piece by Chivers, here are Mr Wint and Mr Kidd, aka “a false sense of security” and “fear that a sense of security may be false”, twin manipulators never seen apart, triggered by a (deliberate, if you like, or reflex, as I prefer) misrepresentation of what constitutes “herd immunity”:
“Your 3 billion doses at the end of 2020 would vaccinate 2 billion people worldwide, not 1.5 billion. That’s nowhere near enough for herd immunity, especially if the efficacy is on the lower end of the estimate, but it’s enough to vaccinate a huge chunk of at-risk groups and essential workers such as healthcare staff.”
I’ll have my shot, please. One, point blank, mid forehead, like Poirot’s mark of Cain.

263265 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 49, #2 of 1913 🔗

We’re not allowed to get herd immunity the natural way anymore. As we’ve done for hundreds of thousands of years

Instead we have to get it from a vial

263289 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ben, 42, #3 of 1913 🔗

To their apoplectic exasperation, however, we get herd immunity the way nature intended anyway, whatever they do.

This is actually what the much-maligned King Canute meant. He was so sick and tired of his fawning retinue telling him he could do anything, he went and sat by the sea and commanded the tide not to come in, KNOWING THAT IT WOULD IGNORE HIM and prove that he was only a mortal.

What our governments are currently doing is deploying an assortment of massively expensive, untested, giant Heath Robinson vacuum cleaners to try to suck the tide in, because they don’t believe it will come in on its own.

263296 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #4 of 1913 🔗

Or they’re following orders, the same as every other country

263326 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 13, #5 of 1913 🔗

A vile vial.

263458 ▶▶▶▶ Span Ows, replying to annie, 12, #6 of 1913 🔗

an evil, live vile vial.

263332 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ben, 31, #7 of 1913 🔗

Though it is clear, and has been for months, that getting immunity the natural way is safe (possibly safer) for most of us, while a vaccine is unlikely to work for many in ‘vulnerable’ groups. Hence the logic of the GBD.

It’s almost as if public health isn’t really the agenda.

263643 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 16, #8 of 1913 🔗

It should be clear by now, to anyone with a still functioning brain, that the coming Covid-19 vaccines are an essential component of the depopulation agenda, that Bill Gates has been talking about for over ten years. You get vaccinated only at great peril.

263958 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Ovis, 6, #9 of 1913 🔗

To quote Diana West: “The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.”

263502 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Ben, 11, #10 of 1913 🔗

Dear Jamie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

From Ivor Cummins : “A must watch. I can say no more. You can support the corporate takeover of our society. Or you can support truth in science, and protect our future. The latter protect our society, over the actions of vandals. It is your choice. Make it wisely.”

263830 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #11 of 1913 🔗

This is surely one, if not the best video to share widely.

263606 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 6, #12 of 1913 🔗

What’s coming in the vial is immunity from life.

263320 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #13 of 1913 🔗

“I won’t be in today, boss. I’ve got a bad dose of the lethal flu or it might just be a bad cold, which as you know can also be a lethal coronavirus.”

263525 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #14 of 1913 🔗

I just posted on Unherd:-

What we are learning from this is that The JCVI, Prof Pollard’s committee whether or not he has recused himself, is about to give a green light to product which is manifestly in an experimental stage (ie they don’t even know what dose to give). Incidentally, in February 2016 meeting the JCVI enjoyed the hospitality of Prof Pollard’s research institution (the Martin School) and his college (St Cross). This can easily checked in the minutes. We know nothing of the long term effects of any of these products: auto-immunity, neurology, cancer, fertility, birth defects, mortality. Chivers is an enthusiast but he cannot tell us. People are telling us to have the vaccines who do not stand in any line of ethical responsibility.

263633 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, 8, #15 of 1913 🔗

And I also posted this:

What we do know is that in April when the human testing of the Oxford vaccine began there was an article in the New York Times saying that the monkeys in the animal tests had not caught the virus, and then a month later it was admitted that they had. Presumably if this had been said in April human testing could not have gone ahead, but there was too much money involved. The problems are all there in the mainstream but people are being corralled:

Peter Doshi, ‘ Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us’, BMJ 2020; 371 (Published 21 October 2020)
William Haseltine, ‘ Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed’, Forbes 9 September 2020

Nor do we see responsible behaviour from government bodies, only hysterical and often rather corrupt behaviour.

263695 ▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, 8, #16 of 1913 🔗

This is the NYT article about the monkeys being free of Covid in April:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html

and this the story admitting that they’d really had it after all from May:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8331709/Oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-does-not-stop-infection-experts-warn.html

I’ll leave others to work out what can be concluded about the reliability of information from these sources.

263982 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, 3, #17 of 1913 🔗

From my evidence to the Scottish Parliament January 2018 (Prof Pollard, Jeremy Hunt and te JCVI):

The position is therefore simple irrespective of any contracts for the Group’s work at the time Prof Pollard’s appointment the JCVI, or whether he was named on any of them: Prof Pollard was director of OVG and the business of OVG was meningococcal vaccines and Bexsero in particular. This ought, I believe, to have precluded him from chairing the JCVI or certainly discussing Bexsero. Irrespective of manufacturers like Novartis or GSK taking an interest in the product it is stated here by Oxford University in 2013 (the date at which Prof Pollard was appointed the JCVI) that the product is developed by OVG of which Prof Pollard is the director. The Bexsero decision is controversial. Subsequent to the decision in London the PBAC in Australia (their equivalent of NICE) was still dismissive of the product, both of its effectiveness and value for money (5): – The PBAC noted that the submission had not addressed the previous concerns of the PBAC in regards to the model, namely uncertain and optimistic assumptions about the extent and duration of effect and herd immunity. The PBAC was also concerned with the discounting rate applied in the model that considerably favoured the 4CMenB vaccine. The PBAC considered that none of the proposed program options were cost effective as presented in the submission. This underlines how essential it would be for any decision to be completely beyond suspicion, particularly bearing in mind that the Secretary of State for Health [Jeremy Hunt] was putting pressure on the committee over Bexsero before Prof Pollard was appointed. He wrote in a letter to the acting chair of the JCVI before the June 2013 meeting (6): I would be grateful if the committee could make the recommendation at the earliest practicable time recognising the need for scientific rigour, a strong evidence base that includes an assessment of cost effectiveness, and proper reflection of the benefits, risks and uncertainties in the committee’s advice and recommendation

http://www.parliament.scot/S4_PublicPetitionsCommittee/General%20Documents/20160129_PE1584_D_JStone.pdf

So, Pollard was appointed to chair the committee in October 2013 and in February 2014 chaired a discussion which led the vaccine being added to the schedule for infants subject to price – the vaccine was the sold off by Novartis, with its vaccine division, and Hunt was able to announce it as window-dressing for the coming election in March 2015, finally being added to the schedule in October 2015, in a process that was somewhat less than transparent.

263778 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #18 of 1913 🔗

Chivers hasn’t met a vaccine yet he doesn’t love.
This analyst shares Barry Norris’ concerns abozt the Oxford vaccine.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/it-will-never-be-licensed-us-analyst-warns-astrazeneca-vaccine-efficacy-embellished
I think it’s development process is typically British: sloppy and botched, overpromising and underdelivering, patriotic waffle, CYA etc..

264319 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #19 of 1913 🔗

You’ve put your finger on a critical narrative issue, Nomad.

I’ve seen that adjective ‘LETHAL’ used so often in a sense that is so uncontextualised that it is just fiction.

It’s advertising/propaganda bollocks, and you really shouldn’t be writing about Covid if you are so scientifically (and perhaps functionally) illiterate that you apply it to this moderate, quotidian virus.

Take out the well-known multi-disadvantaged ‘vulnerable’ groups, and you have a disease that is actually remarkably mild in its effects in comparison with the PR.

Even in comparative historical terms, the mortality during the period of its prevalence is nothing exceptional. We have survived far worse without flinching like cornered rabbits.

… and that’s before getting into a realistic reduction of mortality figures actually linked to Covid – rather than the fictionalised ‘cases’.

I was in my local pharmacy today, looking at all the publicity material around the fiction of ‘saving lives’ by observing quaint, irrelevant rituals of obeisance.

What was obvious is what the enlightened know – that is that this is no medical crisis – it’s a politically driven PR/propaganda bonanza benefiting various financial interests.

264715 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #20 of 1913 🔗

‘If God had intended men to fly, Mr Wint…’
‘He would have given him compulsory covid vaccinations, Mr Kidd…’

263180 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 23, #21 of 1913 🔗

Concerning the stupid new tiers and the asinine cod Stalinist play-rape of Christmas, what the fuck is “Christingles”? I thought it was a decorated orange, but apparently it’s a Christmas service that’s more important to mention than, say, the four Sundays of Advent.

263183 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #22 of 1913 🔗

Chistingles seems to have been popular in late 19thC Germany, a childs tapered candle.
Resurging around the turn of this century I think as a way of expressing chrissmassy feelings but without the Mass which might sound a bit religious as though people know what Christ Mass means any more than Holy Day.

263185 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 10, #23 of 1913 🔗

Presumably it therefore started life as “Christkindl”, “Christ child”, which also gave rise to Krispy Kreme. Sorry, I mean Kris Kringle. So the candle represented the presence of the Christ child.

I just don’t understand why it’s mentioned as being a form of Christmas service that is acceptable to the overlords.

263187 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #24 of 1913 🔗

My local council tried Winterval on us a few years ago but have since returned to Happy Christmas with their holiday street lights.

263218 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 8, #25 of 1913 🔗

I seem to remember that it was the Effnick Minorities, supposedly offended by Christmas, who called for its reinstatement?

263229 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 12, #26 of 1913 🔗

It was white liberal guilt trippers presuming to speak on behalf of minorities many of whom love Christmas.
See pictures of Dubai airport during the festive season (but perhaps not this year).

264721 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #27 of 1913 🔗

I wonder if those white liberal guilt trippers ever get surprised by finding out there are rather a lot of black and brown Christians in the world, including 22 million in India alone, the third largest religion in the country. Probably not.

263327 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 21, #28 of 1913 🔗

It isn’t too much of a stretch to imagine Justin Welby pushing for the abolition of Christmas, lest some minority of whom he knows nothing might be offended by it. It’s a kind of reverse missionary position, if you’ll pardon the expression. All the missionary arrogance and knowing-better and infantilisation of the other, but to the opposite effect.

263217 ▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #29 of 1913 🔗

Yes it seems to have become a cult in its own right. One of the weirdest things about the church is that it will do anything to distract people from worshipping Jesus, its supposed reason for existing – e.g., Mary, saints, Easter bunnies, communion wafers etc. Christingle is just another method for a minister to get out of having to do the really embarrassing stuff like praying.

263303 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #30 of 1913 🔗

Because it’s an infantilised version.

263418 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to karenovirus, 3, #31 of 1913 🔗

It is a lovely service, the only one I used to attend every year. Vicar/Rev. used to sit all the children around him and make it an intimate service.

263196 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 29, #32 of 1913 🔗

It’s for mummies and kiddiewinkies, not grown-ups. Probably appeals to Welbybaby as it’s about on his intellectual level.
BTW, did you know that Welbybaby is planning to take a four-month sabbatical? Evidently the strain of being the worst archbishop in the history of the Anglican, and probably the entire Christian, church is getting to him.

263198 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 17, #33 of 1913 🔗

It is probably the most challenging spiritual concept that Oberfuhrer Johnson can get his befuddled head around. Did you see him on TV? he looked like the living dead, on his zooom call to Parliament he managed to press the mute button, it was like a zoom call to a demented grandad in a care home. Good to know the Country is in such safe hands!

263890 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #34 of 1913 🔗

Uber. Like ubermensch. Overman, not Superman. Which Boring Boris certainly is not.

263201 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #35 of 1913 🔗

Tim Stanleý gave Welby a good kicking in the Telegraph yesterday for skiving off in a time of lockdown induced crisis and the CofE for about everything.

Ends with a great piece on travelling through London with a mask. Not scared of the Covid but of the State.

263457 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 3, #36 of 1913 🔗

I really don’t know how Welby can call himself a man of God.

263204 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 10, #37 of 1913 🔗

I see. Well, I’ll just add that to my very long list of reasons to be happy that I am not a parent.

I did read about Welby heading off for a stint of advanced navel-gazing, yes. It’s a good idea. He’ll be able to focus on the issues dear to his heart, like lobbying for the UK to continue giving foreign aid to China, without being distracted by trivialities of religion.

264092 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 3, #38 of 1913 🔗

He’s just trying to avoid jail – like the previous pope chap.

263269 ▶▶ Sara, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #39 of 1913 🔗

The format of the typical service comes from The Children’s Society. Collections taken during Christingle services are normally sent to The Children’s Society. Perhaps there was pressure from the charity?

263427 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sara, 2, #40 of 1913 🔗

Which used to be called The Church Of England Children’s Society until they got ashamed of their own name.

263299 ▶▶ davews, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #41 of 1913 🔗

Christingle services are becoming ever more popular in churches these days. It uses the visualisation of orange, ribbon, sweets and candles to depict the religious story and Christmas. We have had one for many years at our church, but won’t this year as it is a little hard on Zoom.

263624 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #42 of 1913 🔗

It’s the most popular Christmas service at my church attended by none church going families with small children who like the oranges and candles.

263702 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #43 of 1913 🔗

Well, apparently this is a major cultural change that has passed me by as a childless nomad. Personally I quite like the Tridentine Mass where the priest mumbles with his back to the congregation, but there you go. That’s why I’m a childless nomad.

263186 D.S., replying to D.S., 25, #44 of 1913 🔗

Here’s how anti-lockdowners are described in the latest Economist, so that you know what the ‘Managerial Class’ is being told. They describe the crowds at the protests in Stroud as an example. This of course also describes Gupta, Battacharya, Kulldorf and all the other GBD people: ‘Cranks and Conservatives’, ‘Big government opposers’, ‘Covid19 deniers’, ‘raging conspiracy theorists’, ‘far right activists’, ‘science deniers’, ‘Piers Corbyn climate change denier’ and ‘adherents to QANON’. Equates the protests with XR and BLM – people who simply need protests to feel important. I guess all the signatories to the GBD are science denying scientists too.

263188 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to D.S., 16, #45 of 1913 🔗

Complete horseshit. Obviously.

263191 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to D.S., 44, #46 of 1913 🔗

They say “big government opposers” like that’s a bad thing…

264940 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #47 of 1913 🔗

It will be a bad thing when we succeed in overturning all their power.

264948 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #48 of 1913 🔗
264953 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #49 of 1913 🔗

The days when Rock & Roll ruled your soul.

264999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #50 of 1913 🔗

PCR=PHONY CORONA RESULTS.

265069 ▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #51 of 1913 🔗

Don’t get that.

263192 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to D.S., 6, #52 of 1913 🔗

Correction to your last suggested sentence

‘I guess all the signatories to the GBD are science denying ‘scientists’ too.

263193 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to D.S., 7, #53 of 1913 🔗

No suggestion as to where rational, logical analysers of the facts and data fits in to their list.

263194 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to D.S., 9, #54 of 1913 🔗

I found this in the Guardian, 11th Nov.
While purporting to be antisceptic it nevertheless outlines many of our arguments quite clearly.
I have seen several such articles and they remind me of concentration camp slave workers sabotaging the weapons they were forced to assemble.

263309 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to karenovirus, 5, #55 of 1913 🔗

That struck a massive chord with me at the time. Lots of hysterical ranting about conspiracy theories and then a calm deconstruction of the argument for muzzles, just tucked away inside!

263248 ▶▶ Ben, replying to D.S., 24, #56 of 1913 🔗

Having one’s life destroyed by lockdown rules imposed by politicians (who have shares in Pharma and tech companies) is fine apparently. No human rights. Destruction of the economy, civil liberties, life as we knew it

I don’t see why it’s OK for innocent people to kept under house arrest for months and months for asymptomatic ‘cases’

263254 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to D.S., 23, #57 of 1913 🔗

Quote from thought to be from Gandhi

First they Ignore you
Then they Ridicule you
Then they Fight you
Then You Win

Currently we are in the late ridicule – early fight stage (depends on the local situation) – but we will win

263324 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Aslangeo, 7, #58 of 1913 🔗

Too right we will!

263439 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Aslangeo, 7, #59 of 1913 🔗

The Roman version with early Christianity
First they outlaw you.
Then they tolerate you.
Then they Celebrate you.
Then you are made compulsory.

263321 ▶▶ annie, replying to D.S., 4, #60 of 1913 🔗

We’re used to it. Muck from morons, who cares?

263391 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to D.S., 16, #61 of 1913 🔗

The problem is we have forgotten how to protest. We have all thrown away our torches and pitchforks as we mistakenly believed we lived in a democracy. BLM can get 30,000 to a march and chase the rozzers up the Mall. We end up jumping into bed with Piers gang because we cannot organise anything and end up getting beat up by the TSG. So many people I speak to want to protest but they have no way of knowing when a march or bout of saucepans banging will be going on as the MSM won’t play with us.

263684 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to D.S., 4, #62 of 1913 🔗

They forgot to mention the ‘flat earthers!” And ‘those that believe Elvis lives on the dark side of the moon!’ I borrowed that from the brilliant Mark Windows, whose excellent Windows on the World website and radio shows are full of information, and well worth your time.

263189 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 3, #63 of 1913 🔗

In your links, you refer to “Stanford” as “Stamford”. Probably should fix that.

263220 ▶▶ annie, replying to RyanM, 7, #64 of 1913 🔗

I hope Stamford, too, is against Covviebollox, but I doubt it. It’s a beautiful, prosperous town, but for that very reason likely to be full of bedwetters the horizontally inadvertently incontinent.

263190 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 29, #65 of 1913 🔗

I for one will be ignoring our unsavoury governments childlike yet facist restrictions up to, during and after Christmas.

As an only child Xmas day meant me with mum and dad so no change there.
Aged 14 or 15 I met up with a local mate after The Queens Speech to wander the deserted North London streets until we found an open Turkish cafe which sold us a bottle of red wine to be drunk in the locked shut park.

Late teens and early twenties Xmas late afternoon evening meant twenty or so closest friends only congregating at whoever had the biggest flat at the time, mixture of singletons and couples. Alcohol only, we didn’t do drugs.
I have no doubt that we would do exactly the same this year so a pox on your 3 household Christmas johnson.

Actually we would probably do similar every night if the pub was closed or made miserable by anti-social distancing.

263318 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to karenovirus, 8, #66 of 1913 🔗

Christmas has always been bloody miserable in my family. Singing in carol services and concerts has always been the only part of it that I enjoyed. I’m quite looking forward to not spending three hours on the A1 to be harangued by my mother while she throws various food items out of the window.

264863 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #67 of 1913 🔗

Lol!

263195 annie, replying to annie, 5, #68 of 1913 🔗

You are impressively eloquent for this time in the morning, NN! ( stifles yawn and blinks with admiration ).

263206 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 23, #69 of 1913 🔗

It’s lunchtime here! The wonders of time zones… I’m in Thailand. The Foreign Office instructed me to come “home” in March, but I saw what was coming and decided to invite them to stuff themselves. I’m not regretting my decision.

263208 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #70 of 1913 🔗

I can see why you stayed, but Northumbria is the poorer without you.

263197 annie, replying to annie, 18, #71 of 1913 🔗

So the Astra-Zeneca jab works better the lower the dose?
That’s how homeopathy works. Hence the joke about the man who forgot to take his homeopathic remedy and died of an overdose.
So anybody who refuses the A-Z vaccine will presumably get the maximum dose and an instant freedom pass. Whoopee.

263199 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 8, #72 of 1913 🔗

We need a good Snake Oil salesman to peddle distilled water as the new wonder vaccine everyone could have a shot be happy and carry on. Maybe a new career opening for Trump?

263275 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 22, #73 of 1913 🔗

If life carries on on the trajectory it’s going, I’d rather take the type of dose offered at Dignitas, Switzerland – thank you very much

A future dystopian police state defined by fear, control and poverty. The unvaccinated demonised like Jews in Nazi Germany by a fascistic mainstream media – no thanks

264873 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 1, #74 of 1913 🔗

They keep the fact hidden now but both the Queen and her mother (lived to be over 100) always did/do use homeopathic remedies. I consulted a homeopathic practitioner once and found it very helpful – and it had a very definite physical effect. But it was bloody expensive!

263200 Cecil B, 9, #75 of 1913 🔗

The pig dictator is holed up in The Ministry of Truth despite having had the flu and testing negative for the flu

Greater love hath no man

Rutherford and Aaronson were most probably vaporised shortly after Cummings and Cain left

I wanted to hear from the PD yesterday ( no not really I just made that bit up), however it would appear The Princess Nut Nuts is hogging the remote control

263202 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 15, #76 of 1913 🔗

Quantas are scum!

This is hardly surprising though. Once a government owns you you are at their mercy. Like the mob.

But this is all a conspiracy though right?

263203 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TheBigman, 12, #77 of 1913 🔗

Trips to Australia were once free ( well in one sense anyway)

263209 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #78 of 1913 🔗

One-way trips.

263317 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, #79 of 1913 🔗

No your confusing it with LSD

263322 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Cecil B, 2, #80 of 1913 🔗

Except that you were sprayed with DDT on arrival!

263563 ▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #81 of 1913 🔗

Except that you were sprayed with DDT on arrival!

I well remember – back in 1984 – the Quaint Arse (Qantas, geddit!) stewards walking up and down the aisles of the 747, which had just transported me round the world, spraying the cabin with ginormous cans of some sort of insecticide. What a nice way to “greet” people who were intending to spend money in their country. And that was before I got to immigration control…

263301 ▶▶ davews, replying to TheBigman, 6, #82 of 1913 🔗

Most vaccine requirements are set by governments to allow access to their countries, it is not the job of airlines to dictate they are required for travel on their planes (only to check that the passenger has the correct vaccines for entry to their destination country).

263500 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to TheBigman, #83 of 1913 🔗

Qantas!

263951 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Locked down and out, #84 of 1913 🔗

Storm the BBC!

263205 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 31, #85 of 1913 🔗

There was an orthodox Jewish wedding in Brooklyn on 8 November referred to on this page yesterday.

This was not just any wedding but the daughter of the Rebbe (the head of the whole congregation). A fairly unbelievable 7,500 are said to have attended, and even if it wasn’t this many there were a huge number of people. Indoors, no masks, singing.

Now this is not the only one. A typically ridiculous response to a typically stupid article in the NYT yesterday referred to a cousin’s chasidic wedding 6 weeks ago.

So presumably the death rate from COVID in the areas where these weddings are must be huge ? Although it’s a bit soon for the big one, others go on all the time.

Well, in Kensington (NY) and Williamsburg, the centre of Satmar life in NY, the death rate for the last 7 days was 0.1 and 0.2 per 100,000, that’s the equivalent of 9.5 and 19 per day adjusted to the UK population.

Can somebody please explain why there are people out there who can’t see community immunity when it’s so blindingly obvious.

Boris and his merry bunch of clowns can’t see the evidence even when it hits them right in their face.

263228 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Laurence, 5, #86 of 1913 🔗

They can it that doesn’t help The Agenda, does it.

263260 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Laurence, 18, #87 of 1913 🔗

Gov’t diktats are the opposite of what they should be. People with healthy immune systems mixing, getting infected, developing immunity is what used to happen

Freshers Week was a rights of passage for students getting colds and flu. There is a cultural history of sharing infections in communities to develop natural immunity

263304 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Ben, 9, #88 of 1913 🔗

It used to be meningitis that was the main fear from the sudden mixing at Freshers Week. Now that can be seriously dangerous – but noone got hysterical about it.

263313 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to mikewaite, 3, #89 of 1913 🔗

Freshers are vaccinated now before heading to uni. One or two died every year at the beginning of term.

263314 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to mikewaite, 5, #90 of 1913 🔗

Yes. You’re right. Meningitis is deadly. It should be taken seriously

My comment was framed in the context of cold and flu

263415 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Laurence, 16, #91 of 1913 🔗

Do you remember in summer when thousands flocked to the beach and all the muggles were screaming how they should be denied hospital care and how granny will be killed. OMG the horror, the body bags when… oh, two people died. The evidence is overwhelming but totally ignored by handjob and the chuckle brothers. But that’s the problem with a lie to keep it going the lies get bigger and bigger and more stupid.

263469 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Laurence, 9, #92 of 1913 🔗

Bojo is going to sell us down the river on Brexit so he’s hiding in his bunker like the coward he really is. Someone should give him a loaded pistol and tell him to do the right thing!

263744 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Laurence, 7, #93 of 1913 🔗

AFAIK, the New York orthodox community is the core customer base for Dr Zelensky of Zelensky protocol fame that the medical establishment have memory holed, since he proved a successful treatment back in March.

263955 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Laurence, 1, #94 of 1913 🔗

Strength in number.

263207 Will, replying to Will, 21, #95 of 1913 🔗

I am pleased to see half a dozen letters in the Telegraph hostile towards the pub plans. I can only hope, for the sake of the English pub, that MPs manage to get Princess Nut Nut to change her mind on this issue as, by the end of March, there won’t be any pubs left.

263210 ▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 13, #96 of 1913 🔗

I wonder if any Grauniad readers ever crawl out of bed, get out of their wet pyjamas and go to a pub?

263212 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 8, #97 of 1913 🔗

I doubt it and the way Guardian readers exist, if they don’t do something, they think it is “wrong” and should, therefore, be banned.

263219 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 6, #98 of 1913 🔗

A Macdonalds manager tells me that Deliveroo riders are queuing up at 07.00 to whisk skinny lattes to opulent addresses where they help those comfortably WFH to start their day.

263214 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 8, #99 of 1913 🔗

Oh, I’m sure they do, in Battersea, for brunch (avocado and smoked loin of peasant on a waffle, to be consumed while waffling, endlessly).

263222 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to annie, 11, #100 of 1913 🔗

Is there such a thing as a Guardian reader anymore? The publication has betrayed everyone of its principles and I can’t think of anyone who might read it anymore other than lefty members of staff at GCHQ.

263226 ▶▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #101 of 1913 🔗

Hasn’t the company got a huge trust fund keeping it going as the numbers of readers can’t support the cost of it?

263233 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 11, #102 of 1913 🔗

I believe it is subsidised by the profits of Autotrader plus multiple subscriptions from the BBC and academia plus recruitment advertising from the woke ruled* public sector.

*not having a go at Public Sector workers.

263266 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to TheBigman, 5, #103 of 1913 🔗

Supplemented by Gates.

264079 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #104 of 1913 🔗

Thanks PI. Surely everyone should know this by now !

263235 ▶▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #105 of 1913 🔗

Not here there isn’t. Used to be a supporter, but their coverage of The Virus has been a joke, so no longer. Don’t think they’ll miss me though…as mentioned, they’re sitting pretty in funds.

263238 ▶▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #106 of 1913 🔗

CCHQ, more like

263252 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #107 of 1913 🔗

Very very true Londo. I was a regular reader until the angle grinder episode after the Snowdon reveal.

Monbiot once again revealing his true colours yesterday in shilling for the pharmaceuticals.

Cheers

Simon

263282 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #108 of 1913 🔗

I used to read them but stopped because of their obsession with victimhood status and their pathological obsession and dislike of America. At some point I thought they had relocated to the USA.

There still are – tend to live in areas such as Islington, Hampstead, Highgate where they are insulated from the consequences of what they advocate.

263288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sara, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #109 of 1913 🔗

At the start of the scamdemic I switched to watching RT. I have suddenly learnt that places exist in the World, that are not the UK, US or France.

263340 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #110 of 1913 🔗

I stopped reading it because of its support for ‘gender’ ideology and victimisation of Suzanne Moore, who has now resigned. Then there was Owen Jones and his crawling to the appalling, anti semitic ‘Corbyn project’, and the obsession with BLM, as well as the sanctimonious pontificating of the ghastly Monbiot man.

263345 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #111 of 1913 🔗

And don’t forget that the founder of the Manchester Guardian made his money from a cotton plantation run on slave labour!

263419 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #112 of 1913 🔗

Something they like to ignore. Oh and they avoid paying their fair share of tax too. As much as I loathe Jeff Bezos, the Graun aren’t exactly clean when it comes to tax as well.

264886 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #113 of 1913 🔗

That surely is reason enough for it to change its name – perhaps to The Collaborator – and then defund itself, giving all its money to BLM.

264264 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #114 of 1913 🔗

I reckon it’s actually written by Armando Ianucci or someone of similar wit as a very clever parody.

263962 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #115 of 1913 🔗

Guardian takeover.

263225 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Will, 23, #116 of 1913 🔗

That’s the plan; no pubs. Places where people can meet and discuss things are always forbidden in dictatorships…which is where we are headed.

263211 Colin, replying to Colin, -50, #117 of 1913 🔗

Er…about air travel and vaccines- let’s not get swept away by the anti-vaxx brigade, please. When I was a lad we lived in Indonesia and Oman and every time we traveled by air back to and from London we had our passports and our yellow vaccination card showing dates of last smallpox, polio and TB vaccinations. This was – and is – completely normal so I don’t see why people are getting in a flap about countries and/or airlines requiring passengers to be vaccinated against Covid19. It’s not the plague but it’s nasty nevertheless. Let’s focus on ending these ludicrous lockdowns and mask wearing. I have been speaking to a lot of people recently about this and sadly most are still completely sunk in the covidthink mindset.

263221 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Colin, 62, #118 of 1913 🔗

I agree with you about focusing on the lockdowns and mask wearing. However, it’s not “anti-vaxx” to be wary of a rushed vaccine, let alone one (or rather two) that make use of a completely untried technology.

263237 ▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to Londo Mollari, 34, #119 of 1913 🔗

100% agreed. The term “anti-vaxxer” is equivalent to “conpiracy theorist” – it’s aim is to shut down discussion.

263223 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Colin, 49, #120 of 1913 🔗

What a ludicrous statement. First off, the diseases you named are far more serious that c19. Also, none of them are required for a UK person to fly anywhere.
Quantas were also looking to apply it to internal flights as well as international.
No one is required to show they haven’t got a common cold/flu and those can be deadly, especially in tepid climates.

You wish to focus on lockdowns and masks solely? The vaccinations are an extension of this draconian agenda. So it is all needing fought and conquered. One beats the other.

263227 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to TheBigman, 26, #121 of 1913 🔗

The vaccine isn’t an extension of the lockdown, it’s the end goal of the lockdown. Crush society sufficiently, it’ll willingly roll up its sleeve and beg to be jabbed.

“…until a vaccine is found…” – the coda since day 1.

263271 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark H, 7, #122 of 1913 🔗

“…until a vaccine is found…” – the coda since day 1 .

Needs to be rammed home.

263292 ▶▶▶▶ Sara, replying to Mark H, 11, #123 of 1913 🔗

Not just one vaccine. Once we have a digital health passport, they can come up with a never-ending series of vaccinations that we “need”.

263261 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to TheBigman, 9, #124 of 1913 🔗

There were (are?) some countries required a yellow fever vaccination as a precondition to entry, but obviously that’s not most countries. It’s also worth pointing out that the vaccines you get for travel to exotic climes last at least a decade (twenty years for a hep jap if you have a booster) – from what we know of the Covid jab you’d be expected to have it at least annually, which obviously means that any risk is increased.

I assume that Qantas can get away with this policy because they have a strangehold on the Australian market. Without a government mandate, I expect the more competitive markets of Europe and the USA to be warier about following suit.

263278 ▶▶▶▶ Dan72, replying to Andrew Fish, 9, #125 of 1913 🔗

At least one company is pushing back – https://twitter.com/uktwinds

263291 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Dan72, 9, #126 of 1913 🔗

That’s what we want to see – the free market in action.

264271 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Dan72, 3, #127 of 1913 🔗

Looks like there’s pushback from a number of sources now.

263558 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to TheBigman, 4, #128 of 1913 🔗

No they are not required any more, and the diseases were more serious, but my point is that it’s not some new conspiracy plot for an airline to require vaccination certificates, it used to be standard procedure – unlike lockdown and mask wearing, which were copied lock stock and barrel from China, a viciously totalitarian communist country beneath its sparkly capitalist sheen.

263865 ▶▶▶▶ claire, replying to Colin, 2, #129 of 1913 🔗

Was it the airlines or was it the destination countries?

265079 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to claire, #130 of 1913 🔗

Destination countries I believe.

264070 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Colin, 3, #131 of 1913 🔗

New for an airline, as opposed to a country, to require them. Unless I’ve missed something.

263224 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Colin, 35, #132 of 1913 🔗

Smallpox, polio and TB vaccinations: tried, tested and proven to be effective without long term side effects.

COVID-19 vaccination: untried, barely tested and no proof of being effective without long term side effects.

263369 ▶▶▶ MK1953, replying to Mark H, 9, #133 of 1913 🔗

I’m on a very expensive drug that took around 10 years to be brought to market because of the stringent safety protocols on a novel drug. Think of the c19 vaccine as a completely novel drug brought to market in a matter of months! The problem with the ‘vaccine’ definition is that it raises the ‘straw man’ anti vax (conspiracy) label. If the government is, as we know, expecting a ‘high volume’ of adverse drug reactions (ADR’s) from the c19 vaccine (a novel drug), who would take the risk of what might be a serious irreversible drug reaction when you’re over 99% likely to survive an Infection from c19?

263589 ▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to MK1953, 2, #134 of 1913 🔗

Good question. But I think if I was a nurse or a care worker exposed to large numbers of genuinely sick people every day I wouldn’t hesitate to be vaccinated if it offers 90-95% protection. As for the rest of us, as you say, I’d rather take my chances until more is known.

263639 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Colin, 11, #135 of 1913 🔗

However, we are now 9 months down the line, so if a health worker has been exposed for thisclength of time, I would guess they have pretty much robust immunity to the virus.

264075 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to MK1953, 1, #136 of 1913 🔗

… it raises the ‘straw man’ anti vax (conspiracy) label.

Would you mind translating into English ? Not trying to be silly, it is capable of several different interpretations.

265296 ▶▶▶▶▶ MK1953, replying to JohnB, #137 of 1913 🔗

Hi John – I was meaning that the ’anti vax’ label is the the ‘straw man’ often used to attack those who have legitimate concerns around a completely novel vaccine which has unusually short testing protocols and is being fast tracked.
This linguistic device which mis-characterises an opponent’s argument and then attacks the mis-characterisation is used all the by politicians and is easy to spot!

263259 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Colin, 33, #138 of 1913 🔗

A vaccine rushed through in record time tied to a digital/health passport without which you are a second class citizen.I think it’s right to be angry and masks/ lockdowns are measures to push you towards a vaccine.

263262 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Colin, 14, #139 of 1913 🔗

Not all vaccines are the same and some of the new ones are a very different and new technology compared to any vaccines we have had before. I knew people at school who had had polio and still know adults who had Polio as a child it is a horrible disease and I am glad i was protected by a vaccine but be in no doubt the introduction of the Polio vaccine was not trouble free, there were problems and contaminated batches. Consequently it is entirely reasonable to have a least some caution regarding these new style vaccines that have been rushed through at such a lightning speed.
In the end I may well need a vaccination for international travel but I have no intention of being first in the queue!

263277 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Colin, 18, #140 of 1913 🔗

Track and trace, lockdowns, masks, quarantines and vaccines all go together. It is unprecedented to need to prove your health status to attend public places, large social events – even work, school possibly. This is different from the old vaccination cards you mention. Technology is now at the forefront of medical surveillance and brings with it valid concerns about privacy and control that were just not possible when you were young.

263569 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Marialta, 6, #141 of 1913 🔗

Oh I totally agree Marialta, demanding vaccination for work, school, or anything within the UK is totally unacceptable.

263576 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Marialta, 2, #142 of 1913 🔗

The South Korean system is based on analysing peoples’ mobile phone records and bank statements to determine who they have been in contact with. Horrific.

263467 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Colin, 18, #143 of 1913 🔗

I am firmly in the anti vaxx brigade. Taking a totally new technology vaccine, never been tried before and has had no time to be trialled in the population, just a few months..For a disease that everybody has a 98.7% chance of NOT dying from. The need to prove you are not “ill” with a common cold before you can do anything at all.
A vaccine that will not confer immunity or indeed stop interpersonal transmission just reduce the symptoms, probably less well than a paracetamol or some lem-sip.

Fuck off with that.

263583 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Two-Six, -1, #144 of 1913 🔗

A vaccine that will not confer immunity or indeed stop interpersonal transmission just reduce the symptoms ” – do you have a source for that information? SIncere question, I am interested to know why you say that.

263931 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Colin, 2, #145 of 1913 🔗

IIRC, every time vaccine results are published, they never say anything about transmission or immunity. The goal of the vaccine is however, stated – to reduce the severity of symptoms.

263698 ▶▶▶ Pablo, replying to Two-Six, 8, #146 of 1913 🔗

I agree with you 100% – I will not take this vaccine – they would have to forcibly hold me down first. The fundamental reason for this is that it is absolutely NOT NEEDED. This so-called ‘dangerous’ virus is nothing of the kind and 99+% have nothing to fear from it, with the vast majority experiencing mild or zero ill effects because they have immune systems capable of efficiently fighting infections. We simply do not need a vaccine, just as we do not need masks, social distancing, repeated hand wiping with alcohol, and all the rest of this horseshit. Enough already!

263596 ▶▶ peter, replying to Colin, 8, #147 of 1913 🔗

why the fuck would any sane person want to inject dead babies into themselves?

i’m not a cannibal

263213 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 18, #148 of 1913 🔗

That BoB thread is so fantastic, I sent it to a dozen or so friends/family.

263380 ▶▶ kf99, replying to RyanM, 3, #149 of 1913 🔗

It’s one of the best things I’ve seen this year. Superb.

263452 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to RyanM, 5, #150 of 1913 🔗

I have put Bob’s cartoons and text into a draft leaflet. You can download the .docx and .pages files here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fp5kii5vaa1jw7v/AACGXIRD2mwoarDXLvi4utsca?dl=0

263230 malasdair, replying to malasdair, 23, #151 of 1913 🔗

I just watch this video published by Ivor Cummins. It’s inspirational…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

I’m wondering if there are people here who would like to get together for an online chat to discuss ways in which we could begin to sow seeds of doubt in the general public to turn this mess around. Come up with some guerilla tactics that each of us could carry out wherever we happen to live.

First thing is to obviously talk to those around us, but how do we broach the subject without getting their defenses up. I know I’ve annoyed some of my co-workers with my approach :-).

I’m also thinking things like putting signs up (which will undoubtedly be taken down quickly, but still, we could just as easily replace them) with the real stats, visual images showing lockdown are bollocks etc.

Let’s shift this thing!

263236 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to malasdair, 2, #152 of 1913 🔗

Yes please: count me in OP.

263274 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, 1, #153 of 1913 🔗

And me.

263410 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 1, #154 of 1913 🔗

Can you set up a contact email address? A temporary one might be a good idea.

263240 ▶▶ Colin, replying to malasdair, 15, #155 of 1913 🔗

I’m in. Live in south west France. Several French friends are enlightened but most still believe in this lockdown crap. One musician I know is happy to not work for a year because he thinks it means his mother will live to see her grandchildren. He seems to have missed a minor detail of lockdowns there.

263256 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Colin, 8, #156 of 1913 🔗

Can someone set up a LS zoom call? I’d dial in! Let’s make it regular. Let’s invite people to join and bring their brainwashed friends and family! Maybe hearing articulate, rational people talk about this could help.

263267 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #157 of 1913 🔗

I’m in too. BJ has mentioned the spring (6 months) for getting back to normal but to me that means at least a year.

So we do need a long term plan. We surely can’t go on like this for another year. There’s a risk that regulars get stuck on reading 1000+ comments daily and not move on into some other strategy. Many of us are distributing leaflets, stickers, converting as many as we can, but the sum total knowledge of everyone on here is so impressive I think we could develop something online. I like the idea of using Zoom to invite our family and friends, but it would need to be organised carefully.

263276 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #158 of 1913 🔗

It’s easy to set up LS, but you need people’s emails in order to invite them.

263346 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to annie, 4, #159 of 1913 🔗

I’ve joined some open zoom calls. You publish the link then people sign up using an email

263437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #160 of 1913 🔗

I wonder whether you could gather all the online sceptics together to try and expand the pool. Gamers and film reviewers on youtube like the critical drinker have a streamed gathering for about five or six popular guys where they discuss a film or game. This get thousands of hits and shares as each youtuber brings their own audience. Then normally they would sub the youtuber they might not have heard of. Probably cant be held on youtube but bitchute maybe.

263411 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #161 of 1913 🔗

Yes please.

263431 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #162 of 1913 🔗

sounds good! i’d be interested.

263247 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to malasdair, 14, #163 of 1913 🔗

I generally wait for a stranger to start The Conversation, drop a couple of sceptic hints and by and large they already agree.
I believe people think it is socially unacceptable to be a covid or lockdown denier and don’t want to start a conversation with wrongtalk.

“Isn’t the Covid terrible !?”
‘Well there are one or two people dying at the hospital every day. . . which is the same as most years for respiratory conditions’.

“Where did you hear that?”
‘From the governments own website, the ONS’
and away you go. My favourite screenshot at the moment is a graphic showing hospital bed occupancy lower than usual.

263258 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to karenovirus, 13, #164 of 1913 🔗

I know people making badges/stickers that will identify you as normal (unbrainwashed). Can you imagine the joy of finding and hugging a fellow human being!

263432 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #165 of 1913 🔗

Can I get one of these badges? I’m of course prepared to pay!

263279 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 10, #166 of 1913 🔗

Half the human population is infected with H-Pylori which causes stomach cancer. Why the Covid Cabal didn’t use that to enslave the world instead, I don’t know

263349 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ben, 8, #167 of 1913 🔗

Two thirds have one or other herpes virus in their body… under stress this can lead to shingles, which can be deadly. No herpes vaccine yet. Hmm…

263983 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #168 of 1913 🔗

I took Valtrex tablets for about 3 weeks. Powerful stuff. Long, sustained withdrawal symptoms.

263462 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ben, 4, #169 of 1913 🔗

I guess because there would be the risk that a vaccine that might actually help reduce death and suffering in the world might be found and that just would not do.

263998 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 3, #170 of 1913 🔗

It’s more difficult to pronounce. Doesn’t roll off the tongue.

263272 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to malasdair, 5, #171 of 1913 🔗

We need to separate ourselves from the people being labelled conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers. If we say:
1. Conspiracy Theories are Harmful
2. Some vaccines are life saving so anti-vaxxers are harmful.
3. Safe vaccines takes years to be proved safe.
4. But we don’t need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.96% survival rate.
5. “Long covid” is exact same symptoms as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (different name)
6. Look at your face after long term mask wearing and imagine that on your lungs.
7. Suppression of information is dangerous
Etc.

263284 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #172 of 1913 🔗

And most crucially, nudging people to start asking what a ‘case’ is. Our lives are being destroyed not for hospitalisations or deaths but for cases, and most asymptomatic

263353 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #173 of 1913 🔗

Exactly. Conspiracy theories are not helpful to the cause of those who are sceptical of government policy and believe that the ‘cure’ is more damaging than the disease. The question I ask is whether they know of anyone who has died ‘of’ Covid who didn’t catch it in a hospital or care home or from someone who worked in one. They never do.

263414 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Caroline Watson, 9, #174 of 1913 🔗

“Conspiracy theorist “…is a term coined by Allen Dulles CIA the director in the 1960’s to describe people trying to expose the truth.

264061 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #175 of 1913 🔗

Conspiracy theories are not helpful to the cause of those who are sceptical of government policy and believe that the ‘cure’ is more damaging than the disease.

That’s a matter of opinion. One begs to differ.

Any evidence that David Icke is an anti-semite yet ?

263988 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #176 of 1913 🔗

Go to a lab with a well used mask, analyze it and take a photo of all the germs crawling about. Then send it to all and sundry.

264058 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #177 of 1913 🔗

We need to separate ourselves from the people being labelled conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers.

Given that CTs and AVs are virtually 100% aware of and opposed to the current tyranny, and therefore allies, this appears to be doing the bad guys’ job for them.

263285 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to malasdair, 4, #178 of 1913 🔗

That Daily Mail article had a good visual which can be used. And that thread from Bob Moran using his cartoons could be good starting points as well.

263450 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #179 of 1913 🔗

I have put Bob’s cartoons and text into a draft leaflet. You can download the .docx and .pages files here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fp5kii5vaa1jw7v/AACGXIRD2mwoarDXLvi4utsca?dl=0

263526 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basileus, 2, #180 of 1913 🔗

That’s fantastic. Thanks a lot!!

263348 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to malasdair, 1, #181 of 1913 🔗

And me!

263361 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to malasdair, 8, #182 of 1913 🔗

Yes, yes, yes indeed. We need several thousand people involved to make a difference, although it could well snowball.

I mentioned yesterday that, since Sunday, the sticker on my car:

STOP
COVID
TYRANNY
NOW

had drawn some interest of passers by and I had been able to school one of them.

Below the slogan I have the UKColumn link.

264003 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #183 of 1913 🔗

Perhaps we should not expose our links? Keep everything anonymous.

263426 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to malasdair, 2, #184 of 1913 🔗

Yeah..I’m in!

263664 ▶▶ malasdair, replying to malasdair, 1, #185 of 1913 🔗

To all who are interested, I’ve set up a google spreadsheet for you to enter your email addres so we can set up an online meeting…

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FTKBIIxSA3gr92shjqnGQQKtaGv2JbsEfPQQZR7H2Xk/edit?usp=sharing

This is an open shared link for the moment, so hopefully it doesn’t get spammed. If anyone can think of a better way to do this, please let me know.

Once there’s a decent list of people, we can figure out a good time to chat that works for most people.

264275 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to malasdair, 1, #186 of 1913 🔗

I’m interested. For some reason, people seem to generally believe everything I say, and I’m not even working in a soul destroying sales job. I have some art skills, so inclined to go round putting up my ‘improved’ versions of the nag posters on the streets.

263232 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 21, #187 of 1913 🔗

Here’s another one for the ‘lessons learned’ section of the independent public inquiry:

‘One of the lasting images of the first wave of Covid is of the weekly “clap for carers” – that moment of national unity that took place on doorsteps at 20:00 every Thursday night.

Health care workers have been very appreciative of public support, but many say they would prefer a proper pay settlement to another round of applause.

And Jo Billings, a psychologist from the Covid trauma response working group at University College London, says “the narrative of health care workers being heroes or angels has largely been really unhelpful.”

It painted a picture that people do this because they’re special, not because they’re simply doing their job, for which they should be adequately paid and protected.

“It’s also been a real barrier to people seeking help with their own problems,” Dr Billings says, “because they feel heroes don’t struggle. An angel doesn’t get PTSD.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54623919

This country is currently being governed by the NHS, something that has been a long time in the making. The result? An entirely predictable monumental disaster, just like every other massive NHS project.

If one thing comes out of this total and nationally mortifying shambles, it must be root and branch reform of the NHS, particularly its funding model, in particular so that front line staff all have an appropriate and satisfactory pay settlement. Where is Thomas Cromwell when you need him?

263268 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #188 of 1913 🔗

“by attributing overimportance to praiseworthy actions one may, by implication, be paying indirect but potent homage to the worse side of human nature. For this attitude implies that such actions shine out as rare exceptions, while callousness and apathy are the general rule”

263273 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #189 of 1913 🔗

Well…?

263281 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to annie, 4, #190 of 1913 🔗

– quote from Albert Camus

263436 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #191 of 1913 🔗

‘And shall I name one who hath been in our age, and wish him now to live to cure so great a canker? Would God England had a Cromwell: I will say no more.’

Thomas Wilson, Discourse on Usury (1571), p. 182.

264009 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #192 of 1913 🔗

Global Public Health, not the NHS.

263239 Colin, replying to Colin, 21, #193 of 1913 🔗

Quick survey: Do you actually know someone (directly, not a friend of a friend or colleague) who has either been hospitalized with and/or died of Covid-19?
I don’t. And I can only think of one person, who knows someone in Peru whose mother died of it.

263244 ▶▶ l835, replying to Colin, 4, #194 of 1913 🔗

No

263245 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Colin, 4, #195 of 1913 🔗

Brother in law and family caught it, OK now.
Wife’s friend’s son hospitalised: OK now.

263246 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Colin, 2, #196 of 1913 🔗

NO

263250 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Colin, 3, #197 of 1913 🔗

No, I only know of a few cases via health and care workers. The only deaths reported by them were falsely attributed to Covid.

263253 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Colin, 4, #198 of 1913 🔗

I don’t know anyone who’s had it

263263 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Colin, 12, #199 of 1913 🔗

3 people in hospital (all survived, including one with late stage cancer) and my friend Rob’s 92 year Auntie did die with Covid. Rob was upset at not being able to go to the funeral as he was close to her but philosophical

A few others were moderately ill but not needing hospitalisation

While it is a bad disease, it is in no way worth wrecking society for. We had coped a lot better in the past

263293 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #200 of 1913 🔗

Just for context – two friends , a work colleague of over 20 years and a fellow volunteer at a charity , both in their late 50’s / early 60’s died of cancer over the lockdown period (the cancers were not survivable so I am not blaming lockdown in this case) – watching funerals over zoom was pretty shitty

I also know of several folk with postponed operations and other treatments and the teenage son of a mate who has had a mental health crisis (but is pulling through)

263372 ▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #201 of 1913 🔗

Also for context, I don’t know anyone who has had Covid-19 but I have 3 friends, all in their 50s, who are currently being treated for cancer. My husband was also in his 50s when he died from cancer. For someone my age, cancer is a far bigger risk!

263507 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #202 of 1913 🔗

Covid-19 is an event that is being ruthlessly exploited.

PFIZER/MODERNA MRNA VACCINE: “YOUR OWN CELLS BECOME THE VIRUS” IMMUNOLOGIST; SIEGE OF HEAVEN READER on Vimeo

This David Halpin pulling no punches 20:30 minutes in, but have not found his web site. I think this may well be his web site. David Halpin (infoaction.org.uk) .

263264 ▶▶ steph, replying to Colin, 12, #203 of 1913 🔗

No. I now know 2 health workers who have had it. It sounded very unpleasant and quite long lasting but no hospitalisation.
I don’t even know friends of friends who have died but I do know of 3 suicides in that sphere not counting the dreadful stories we read on here.

263338 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to steph, 4, #204 of 1913 🔗

I had flu in 2018, and felt terrible, but the freedom that came with that time seems like paradise compared to what’s happening now. I wish I could turn the clock back

263364 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, 6, #205 of 1913 🔗

Jamie, what time of the year did you have the flu?
I ask because my wife and I went down with flu on the 2nd of December that year and we were really Ill, we both lost half a stone and I remember on the 9th of December (my 70th birthday) I struggled to get out of bed and stand up.
Luckily by around the 22nd of that month, we both began to feel a lot better and by Christmas we were OK.
Not at any time did either of us think that it was anything other than the “Flu”.
If ordinary people like us and yourself along with our fellow sceptics know this, why has our government, etc panicked?

263532 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #206 of 1913 🔗

My son lives with us. He went to Birmingham motor show last November. Thousands of people from all over the world were there. A couple of weeks later he felt unwell enough to visit the GP. Subsequently, I was under par with headaches (never normally get them) and cough that lasted a month or so. Staying clear of tests.

264049 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #207 of 1913 🔗

It was about the same time

263270 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Colin, 8, #208 of 1913 🔗

Our next door neighbour thinks he had it in April – cough/loss of taste and smell etc.. He is in the vulnerable category so was isolating anyway. Well, sort of. Anyway, on day 8 he was off out shopping, so terrible was his brush with death. So to answer your question – no.

263316 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Colin, 1, #209 of 1913 🔗

Yes my friend is now a widow. He was 59. I had it in April, just stayed out of hospital thanks to a Covid task force emergency visit, and am not yet recovered. I have no underlying conditions and was a national level racing cyclist.

263341 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Colin, #210 of 1913 🔗

No.

263342 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to Colin, #211 of 1913 🔗

No

263344 ▶▶ JustMe, replying to Colin, 2, #212 of 1913 🔗

No. And I’ve been going round swabbing people since mid-May.

263347 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Colin, 2, #213 of 1913 🔗

I heard of someone through a surgeon friend who died of heart complications related cancer but got Covid on the death certificate. Does that count?

263544 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to G.Fawkes, #214 of 1913 🔗

Yeah but no but yeah but no as Boris Jo..sorry, Matt Lucas used to say. I would say no.

263358 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Colin, 8, #215 of 1913 🔗

No. But know of two suicides and one attempted suicide of a 15-year-old. And perfectly healthy people with suicidal thoughts. The point is… covid is nasty, can cause long-term health problems and can be fatal to those with serious underlying health issues. Lockdowns kill randomly… completely healthy people, some at the start of their adult lives. And covid threat will lessen dramatically in severity as time goes on, as every coronavirus and rhinovirus does. Our children and children’s children will be paying for this bullshit (tests, masks, vaccines, plexiglass, mental health issues, etc.) for hundreds of years. You don’t kill a poisonous spider with a nuclear bomb.

263368 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Colin, 3, #216 of 1913 🔗

A friend’s father died of it. He was 59 with no known underlying conditions, apparently. Although he caught it during lockdown, so that obviously didn’t save him.

263374 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Colin, 5, #217 of 1913 🔗

My nephew currently has it, caught from his nurse wife who is now better. An asthmatic, although a fit 30 year old, he has an oxygen monitor which has recorded dangerously low levels on a few occasions but he is determined to stay out of hospital.

I am still convinced that I had it myself very early on. A week long fever, preceded by sickness and followed by fatigue and high breathing (I’m a singer so normally breathe very low) No ‘cold’ symptoms at all. As a slightly overweight 60 year old woman, I’m absolutely fine now, though I’d be fitter if the gym was open!

263378 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Colin, 7, #218 of 1913 🔗

Yes. Father in law and his partner, latter in hospital on oxygen. Both still feeling effects, though on balance getting better over time. They became ill three weeks into LD1, for context.

Covid can be unpleasant. But the government response is in my view both ineffective and disproportionate. It is huge pain for no gain. The rona is a cold virus. It will get through, unless you actually wrap yourself in clingfilm – and even that will save you from the rona only by killing you. The huge pain and destruction caused by lockdown does not help those who have suffered from Covid, which is not to deny that their suffering from Covid is real and significant.

263433 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ovis, 4, #219 of 1913 🔗

“Government” response was to deny people safe, effective, cheap Hydroxychloroquine treatments.

263405 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Colin, 1, #220 of 1913 🔗

I had an old friend who was in his 80’s. He died in a nursing home ‘of Covid’ in the spring. So presumably he was part of the first wave.

263420 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Colin, 1, #221 of 1913 🔗

Even IF 50,000 people died of C-19 in the UK, then that is just one in a thousand. How many people are in regular touch with 1000 others?

Over ten times as many die of something else.

263443 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Colin, 6, #222 of 1913 🔗

No…but my 93 year old, holocausts survival gran had it..She was tested and everything. She was back on her feet 48 h later and in the shops 72 hours later. So deadly a diseases that an person who survived a concentration camp and is in the last years in her life is back to normal in 72h. She now says to me that this is all bullshit and the government are a bunch of liers

264035 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #223 of 1913 🔗

If your grandmother’s story is 100% fact and can be proven, it needs to be heard.

263463 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Colin, 2, #224 of 1913 🔗

My daughter was not well in Feb, we were away on holiday. She felt hot and had some respiratory problems. Two days off work then back in. Of course that was before we knew about batflu. Other than that know of nobody who has had it.

263478 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Colin, 1, #225 of 1913 🔗

Think I did in Feb. Persistent cough (rare for me to get a cough), flu like for 3 weeks. Like a nasty flu virus. I am in the vulnerable category, but with much rest and care I got over it.

263494 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Colin, 4, #226 of 1913 🔗

I think I had it in April, Persistent dry hot cough in the upper chest, a slight temperature, things tasting crap, a bit achy, feeling a tiny bit peaky. It lasted for a few days and the cough stayed for about two weeks. The symptoms were very mild indeed. Almost not noticeable.That’s it.

263531 ▶▶ xplod, replying to Colin, 2, #227 of 1913 🔗

Ok, late to this party….but, from a good authority at our local health centre, which covers a large part of South Leicestershire, as of a couple of weeks ago, there were no covid 19 patients on the books, and as of this week, the community nursing for the area had no more than 3 active covid19 patients. Can’t speak for the hospitals locally, though!

263663 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Colin, 1, #228 of 1913 🔗

My cleaning lady’s Uncle died of it.A friend’s sister in law(whom I’ve met twice) was ill with it, but don’t know if she was in hospital.A blog buddy had a mild infection.

264047 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Colin, #229 of 1913 🔗

No. I don’t know anyone who’s had it

264087 ▶▶ TT, replying to Colin, 2, #230 of 1913 🔗

My father died of complications related to cancer treatment during the 1st lockdown, and was diagnosed as Covid positive after over a month in the hospital (ie he caught it there, despite all the insane measures in place including masks, gloves, disinfectant etc.). He spent 2 weeks isolated in the Covid ward but never showed any symptoms, despite being in a very weakened state from his illness. Given that he died shortly afterwards from kidney failure, I can’t imagine he really had Covid as he never experienced any respiratory troubles. So obviously an early ‘false positive’ from the fishy testing scheme.
I know a couple who really had Covid back in March and said it was like a bad flu, but they came out alright without needing to be hospitalized.
All other instances I’ve known of since are dubious ‘positive cases’ with zero symptoms, or at worst those of a classic cold.

264425 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Colin, #231 of 1913 🔗

No

264503 ▶▶ gina, replying to Colin, 3, #232 of 1913 🔗

I do. One of the early cases.
My then friend spent a week in a ski resort on the Italian/Austrian border in March.She was evacuated in the middle of the night along with the other guests when the authorities decided to close the resort.
She,and the rest of her family got sick. Two of them travelled on from Norwich back to Australia while sick. My friend ended up in the Norfolk and Norwich hospital very ill. Released having spent 7 days in hospital.
She is 69 and has no underlying health conditions.
Big article and photo of her looking glam appeared in the EDP shortly after.
She is one of a number of people attempting to bring a class action against the Austrian authorities. She was interviewed for the Times story on this.
As far as I know she is completely recovered.
Though sad to say our friendship has not survived our different stances – my concern for civil liberties offended her.

263241 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 27, #233 of 1913 🔗

FACT: Covid will burn itself out sooner or later (government hope that it will be around Easter time).
FACT: Government will claim credit for beating virus by the measures taken, etc.
FACT: The sheep, collaborators and maskateers will believe and accept this.
FACT: WE KNOW THE TRUTH.

263323 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #234 of 1913 🔗

If they weren’t using PCR tests the virus would have burnt itself already.

263466 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Will, 1, #235 of 1913 🔗

So true, I love Ivor who calls it a casedemic

263242 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 6, #236 of 1913 🔗

I know some will be angry enough they will not want to even consider looking at the “COVID-19 Winter Plan ” but it has been published. All information, good, bad and indifferent needs to be available for examination by the public. I just skimmed it myself and it seems quite sketchy in details, per usual. As many have said, tier is just another word for lockdown.

263251 ▶▶ Ben, replying to ConstantBees, 8, #237 of 1913 🔗

Lockdown of millions of innocent, healthy people

263255 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #238 of 1913 🔗

Re: the Plan Did you notice that Sweden is omitted from the graph showing European death rates? Fishy?

263257 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, #239 of 1913 🔗

Page 9

263536 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #240 of 1913 🔗

ConstantBees I would like to thank you again for your marvellous phrase

” I am in an abusive relationship with the government.

I have used it twice IRL to great effect.

263243 Ben, replying to Ben, 12, #241 of 1913 🔗

Double standards. One rule for us, and one rule for politicians and people in powerful positions

Freedom Passes for us – Emma Kenny: ‘You just walked into a dictatorship’

https://twitter.com/emmakennytv/status/1330950106292613120?s=20

Head of WHO decides against having a test post quarantine because he felt fine and didn’t see the need for testing

https://youtu.be/ExXsQA5JpWw

264036 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #242 of 1913 🔗

Don’t believe him. Who were the witnesses?

263249 richmond, replying to richmond, 8, #243 of 1913 🔗

Have we had this already? Apologies if so. There are so many graphs etc and I lose track.

263528 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to richmond, #244 of 1913 🔗

No apology necessary, R. 🙂

Yes, we have had this one, but it’s one of those graphs that can’t be posted enough .

263280 rodmclaughlin, replying to rodmclaughlin, 15, #245 of 1913 🔗

A raver speaks:

“It’s a pity that residents in Primrose Hill claim that they can’t get to sleep. But there are some simple things they can do about this. The obvious solution is just to wear earplugs or earmuffs. If that doesn’t work then they could just sleep at a different time of the day because it probably doesn’t matter what time of day they sleep, due to the lockdown.”

That’s really funny. I thought for a moment I was looking at Viz Top Tips.

263287 ▶▶ l835, replying to rodmclaughlin, 3, #246 of 1913 🔗

Indeed. Objects to having his lifestyle restricted, but doesn’t care about others.

263294 ▶▶ alw, replying to rodmclaughlin, 12, #247 of 1913 🔗

I live in Primrose Hill and haven’t been kept awake by raves. However some days ago I was woken up by fireworks at 6.05am! You have always been able to buy your recreational drugs round here and it would seem that this trade has not been affected by the lockdowns. Otherwise life reasonably normal here, plenty of people around, people meeting. Shops that are open busy and very few masks in evidence now. The only other annoyance round here was the Police helicopter flying over Primrose Hill and Regents Park on Sunday morning for nearly an hour checking on crowds. What a spectacular waste of public money when the Police should be catching real criminals.

263613 ▶▶ Simon, replying to rodmclaughlin, 3, #248 of 1913 🔗

They could tell them; it’s only earplugs….
or it’s only a pair of earmuffs…

263283 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #249 of 1913 🔗

Hypothesis for the apparent contradiction for the AstraZeneca results.
A full dose is given to person A followed by a second full dose, person A develops nasty side effects. Trial halted.
Trial protocol changed to a single dose of vaccine followed by placebo. Minimal side effects reported. 60-70% effective
Person B is given 1/2 dose followed by second full dose. Minimal side effects reported. 90% effective.

263487 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #250 of 1913 🔗

They say that this was a serendipitous drug error. If I made a drug error of 50% under dose I don’t think that it would be long before the NMC had a fitness to practice hearing.

264038 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, 1, #252 of 1913 🔗

It doesn’t even matter if it is, or is not, a great danger. It is part of the PLAN and must be rejected.

263290 Julian, replying to Julian, 30, #253 of 1913 🔗

“Universities remain open”. Lest we forget, this is a BIG FAT LIE. As I am sure most of us know, and some here are sadly enduring directly, universities are not open in any meaningful sense of the word. Teaching is mainly online, access to campuses is severely restricted as it university sports and social life. People in university accommodation are often subject to various forms of harrassment of doubtful legality. Shout it from the rooftops. The government has been given a free pass on this by the media.

263297 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 8, #254 of 1913 🔗

Exactly and universities have been complicit in all this. I won’t be surprised if they will be inundated with law suits and court cases after this that will cause them to go bust from the multiple pay outs that they will have to make.

263308 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #255 of 1913 🔗

They deserve to go bust and yes from what I have heard they have made little or no effort to offer students a decent experience.

Absent commercial pressure such as some unis breaking ranks, or competition from much cheaper online-only providers, they will continue to treat students on campus as an inconvenience they can do without

263352 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 5, #256 of 1913 🔗

They never did. I was an international student at Manchester University and always felt that I was there as a cash cow. Sure they made an effort to show us around and offer us experiences that I would have otherwise overlooked (such as visiting the Manchester United Museum for free) but otherwise they ignored issues such as homesickness and culture shock. The latter especially.

Well said. Apart from what you’ve said, students should also vote with their feet and wallets – boycott and allow the universities to go bust. They deserve everything they will get not only for treating students as an inconvience but also for their attempts to subvert the democratic process, their contempt for ordinary people and for prostituting themselves to unsavoury regimes and big business.

263508 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #257 of 1913 🔗

(such as visiting the Manchester United Museum for free)

Of all the atrocities, dirty tactics, and nasty things done to people over the past 9 months, this is truly disgusting.

263520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 3, #258 of 1913 🔗

It was a good museum to be fair and I’m someone who’s not into football. I would never have visited it on my own especially being a poor student.

263586 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #259 of 1913 🔗

Indeed. I really despise what my university has done, especially the collaboration at every turn, very glad I’m in my last year.

263625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, #260 of 1913 🔗

Agree. I’m glad I’m no longer at university.

264674 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #261 of 1913 🔗

Same here. I made one mildly anti-lockdown comment on my university alumni facebook page, and got pounced on by some Coronanists (one of whom was a former NUS president, no surprise there, then).

263312 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #262 of 1913 🔗

They will be no loss.

263861 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bart Simpson, #263 of 1913 🔗

The Student’s Union has a role here. They can coordinate mass legal action about reimbursement of fees.

263307 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 7, #264 of 1913 🔗

Universities remain disingenuous, thieving, dystopian, tech controlled, inhumane prisons

263329 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Julian, 13, #265 of 1913 🔗

When I was a chemistry student (long ago, Imperial) mornings were lectures or tutorials , most afternons practical work in the labs.
How do you practice a gravimetric analysis of a nickel iron alloy or a Claisen condensation over Zoom?

263384 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to mikewaite, 3, #266 of 1913 🔗

Me too! Well Biochemistry. Every afternoon in the lab apart from Wednesdays which was free for sport. How on earth you prepare samples, handle reagents,, study cultures, dissect etc online is beyond me.
Also, how on earth do medical students learn anatomy these days? Some of the older unis still do real dissection which I think is very important. How are this year’s cohort going to learn that?

264684 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steph, #267 of 1913 🔗

Not just the sciences. Lots of things you can’t do in the arts and humanities on Zoom – group dancing, choral singing, playing in an orchestra, acting, researching primary historical sources, portrait painting, life drawing…

263295 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #268 of 1913 🔗

How people can think that we’re out of lockdown after 2 December baffles me. The government can dress it up how much it likes but its still a lockdown. After all, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc….

The pubs being singled out shouldn’t surprise me. I lived in Scotland for 10 years and saw the various Wile E Coyote type attempts that Holyrood has done to restrict alcohol sales and they’re doing the same here. This is an attempt to destroy whatever social cohesion that pubs offer under the guise of a virus.

As for Qantas demanding their passengers have a vaccine, they must have a death wish surely. First, people will simply vote with their wallet and feets and simply choose an airline that doesn’t have this asinine requirement. Second, what about the possibility of being sued by a passenger who ends up with adverse side effects from the vaccine?

263310 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #269 of 1913 🔗

I fully expect most/all airlines and countries to insist on a vaccine. Why wouldn’t they?

263334 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 6, #270 of 1913 🔗

Yep. They will be encouraged to do so by government and the courts who will suddenly develop an interest in people falling ill on planes.

263356 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OKUK, 5, #271 of 1913 🔗

The lawyers will have a field day. Imagine the adverts:

“Have you experienced adverse side effects after a vaccine?”

263359 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 2, #272 of 1913 🔗

If that’s the case then the entire aviation industry has a death wish and will be complicit in their own demise.

263483 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #273 of 1913 🔗

Mass Aviation is finished anyway.It doesn’t fit in with the zero carbon agenda.Quaratines were instituted to bring this about.

263509 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #274 of 1913 🔗

That’s what certain vested interests want – air travel only for the privileged while the rest of us make do with Bognor Regis.

263298 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 22, #275 of 1913 🔗

Barry Sheerman MP
Labour and Co-operative MP for Huddersfield

@BarrySheerman

All common sense dictates that we maintain tough lockdown measures until these amazing vaccines are available @BBCNews
https://twitter.com/BarrySheerman/status/1330996698064314369

WilMTay #KBF

“We really do need some form of minimum IQ test before you can become an MP”

263339 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to 2 pence, 7, #276 of 1913 🔗

Neighbouring MP to my own. He is a figure of ridicule saved each election only by the votes of “I’ve always voted Labour because my father did and his father before him” types.

263397 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to 2 pence, 7, #277 of 1913 🔗

Having a low IQ may be the only qualification for being an MP. There aren’t any others.

263481 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to 2 pence, 6, #278 of 1913 🔗

Aaah to become an MP the only apparent qualification is that you want to be in politics. Can you imagine the carnage if you applied the same qualifications to becoming a pilot or brain surgeon? Handjob is giving advice to medical experts and berating Barrington declaration experts with absolutely zero qualifications.

263517 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #279 of 1913 🔗

I could probably fly a plane in a fairly convincing manner, probably even in the dark, brain surgery doesn’t look THAT hard either. With a few hours on youtube and a bit of googling I am sure I could pick it up the basics.

263856 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #280 of 1913 🔗

I wonder what the Sun and other MSM would be saying if Jeremy Corbyn was presiding over this absolute fuck up?

263515 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to 2 pence, 4, #281 of 1913 🔗

I don’t think IQ tests help I suspect Keir Starmer has a high IQ but I suspect he won’t be able to run a lemonade stand even if his life depended on it.

263859 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #282 of 1913 🔗

He can barely get a sentence out.

264040 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to 2 pence, 1, #283 of 1913 🔗

Send that quote to Mr. Sheerman and every other MP.

263300 Barney McGrew, 14, #284 of 1913 🔗

It’s funny how The Science could have found that vaccination was required once a week, or it could have found that it just needed to be once every 20 years. But instead, it has found it to be exactly the time period that any totalitarian regime would choose: once or twice a year. Long enough to be practical, but short enough to allow its use ‘tactically’ by the government. Handy, that.

263302 alw, replying to alw, 75, #285 of 1913 🔗

Three cheers and millions of upticks for Tradewinds Travel.

Re Quantas;

Tradewinds Travel
@UKTwinds
·
14h

We have made a company decision today to not sell any @Qantas
flights, even on a code share, following their announcement of no vaccination, no flight. There are far superior airlines with flights to #A ustralia”

”… but quite honestly we are not ruling any destination out at the moment as long as it doesn’t involve masks, quarantine and invasive tests.”

263540 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to alw, 9, #286 of 1913 🔗

“There are far superior airlines with flights to #Australia”

Nice one! Go Tradewinds Travel!

264644 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to alw, 5, #287 of 1913 🔗

Thanks for this. I am making it a personal policy to send an email of encouragement to any businesses willing to make a stand on things like this. One look at their twitter feed shows the Coronas’ Witnesses are out in force over this. I’ve had some very nice personal replies also.

263305 Stuart, 5, #288 of 1913 🔗

Bodgers knows his lockdowns must extend into January and beyond until we can emerge, blinking, into the blasted heath of Brexit’s sunlit uplands.

263306 SweetBabyCheeses, 20, #289 of 1913 🔗

I think BoZo and co are greatly over estimating how much the population cares about saving Christmas. Most people are going to do what they want anyway and just want life to get back to normal more than anything. I find the threat of Santa not coming only works up until about age 5.

It’s also making a bit of a mockery of all the people for whom Christmas is just another day anyway. At least 40% of UK is non-Christian. Around 1 million Brits will be going to work on 25 Dec just like any other day. The stats on the number of older people already spending Christmas alone are just heartbreaking 🙁 Apparently 1.5m adults surveyed said it was the loneliest time of year. And that was before they became state property to be avoided like toxic waste! That’s the real tragedy.

263311 Basics, 6, #290 of 1913 🔗

https://newtube.app/user/AlternativeMedia/nyJinvu

Good new interview with progress

German Lawyer
Reiner Fuellmich
Sues The World
Over Coronavirus
/ biggest lawsuit
in human history – 54:31

263315 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #291 of 1913 🔗

Soon the virus will be a memory and the controls it brought will be the topic, we’ll wonder how it started, was it about a low mortality virus?

263330 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #292 of 1913 🔗

Reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWSN5kaQ1oM

(Mitchell and Webb)

Everyone knows there has been ‘The Event’ but no one can remember what it was.

263367 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #293 of 1913 🔗

Excellent, hadnt seen that.

263521 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #294 of 1913 🔗

How prophetic

263319 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #295 of 1913 🔗

This thing about vaccines needing double doses…. I know nothing about this, but in my ignorance, if I were a vaccine company about to offload a barely tested product onto the public, I might develop a strategy whereby I administer an active vaccine to half the population and a placebo to the other, and see what happens. It would be the best controlled experiment ever – on the whole population. With the second dose, I can choose to complete the vaccination of the whole population, or I can abandon the experiment without losing face.

And I might start with a lower dose, too – just in case.

263331 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #296 of 1913 🔗

I hear the sounds of cash registers ringing twice

263351 ▶▶ l835, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #297 of 1913 🔗

I’m backing Britain and if I have to have a vaccine it will be the Oxford one. My reasoning is that as it’s British, it’s likely to be rubbish and won’t have as many side effects because it’s so cheap there’s nothing in it.

263370 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to l835, 1, #298 of 1913 🔗

Is there a fairy dust option

263376 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Cecil B, #299 of 1913 🔗

I believe one is being developed in Cardiff as we speak…

263402 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #300 of 1913 🔗

Or the first one could be entirely placebo. Then come up with some bogus reason to stop things before the second one. Millions would still report themselves cured.

263325 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 31, #301 of 1913 🔗

Christmas shopping will be given the greenlight this year

Restrictions on household mixing will stay largely the same

So enjoying the usual press of bodies in high street shops during the annual celebration of materialist consumerism is A OK, but don’t have any friends around!

This virus has some bizarre transmission vectors! How does anyone take Team Fuckwit seriously? Hahahahahaha!

263328 ▶▶ Ben, replying to G.Fawkes, 12, #302 of 1913 🔗

We can spend money but we’re not allowed to spend time with loved ones

263337 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ben, 15, #303 of 1913 🔗

It’s beginning to look a lot like gaslighting, everywhere I (don’t) go.

263333 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #304 of 1913 🔗

There are some sheep who still ‘follow the rules’,

263335 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #305 of 1913 🔗

Plenty.

263421 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #306 of 1913 🔗

They are the ones who will be complaining in the Local Live online about how ‘scary’ it was to have to go shopping with all the selfish other people crowding the shops.

263441 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to G.Fawkes, 6, #307 of 1913 🔗

As we keep saying, the virus is intelligent – it can tell if you’re going into a shop or meeting family and friends.

This is perverse. We can shop (under the guise of saving the retail sector who have been cowardly and supine throughout this shit show) but can’t see family and friends. The government couldn’t give a stuff about mental health and social cohesion don’t they?

263495 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #308 of 1913 🔗

The government couldn’t give a stuff about mental health and social cohesion don’t they?

No. (Better late than never, Bart.).

263530 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #309 of 1913 🔗

I think the bastard Government is taking a bit of a risk with the “keeping pub open until11:00” thing. This is just totally irresponsible of them, imagine, that extra hour is going to add up to hundreds of thousands of extra dead people.
No doubt.

263597 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Two-Six, 2, #310 of 1913 🔗

When Boris Johnson was asked for the science that he claimed the government had for the ten o’clock rule, he said: the longer people socialise, the more alcohol they drink, the less they practise social distancing. As far as I know, he hasn’t presented any new science that disproves his previous science.

263336 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 53, #311 of 1913 🔗

Yesterday, Boris Johnson told the House of Commons that the mass testing in Liverpool had caused a dramatic reduction in “infections”. This was obviously the government line, rather than just some off the cuff assertion, as can be seen by the fact that other government ministers are making the same assertion.

It now looks like the government thinks that its propaganda narrative is so firmly entrenched that it is no longer even necessary for its assertions to have even a mere veneer of plausibility. The paraphernalia of the coronavirus have mutated into magical talismans. Tests magically remove the virus from infected individuals.

From this perspective, whatever happens proves the government’s coronavirus narrative. If the numbers (deaths, hospitalisations, cases, the R number, whatever) go down, it proves that the lockdowns, social distancing, face masks and the rest are working; if the numbers go up, it proves the need for more draconian measures/enforcement. Assertion and confirmation bias are “the science” of the coronavirus responses.

In this context, no dissent can be tolerated. All dissent is not just self evidently wrong; the dissenters are construed as not just ignorant and misinformed, but as immoral and dangerous. From the point of view of the lockdownistas, those who disagree are an existential threat. This leaves no room for evidenced and reasoned argument. One does not politely argue with the enemy to discover the truth; one defeats the enemy, by whatever means are necessary. This is why pointing out the lack of scientific evidence for social distancing or face mask wearing is so ineffective: it is not about science. The science is now nothing more than a rhetorical device. This is why pointing to the harm caused by lockdowns is so ineffective: it is not about saving lives. It is about defeating the virus.

The lockdownistas are believers, and, like believers of any belief system, they will use all the cognitive biases to which we are so prone to defend their belief that defeating the virus is more important than anything else and therefore any sacrifice is worth it. This was blatantly illustrated yesterday when Boris Johnson’s link to the House failed and Matt Hancock rose to his feet. He, with apparent sincerity, assured the House that he/the government had assessed all the risks and the only way to protect the people was by focusing on the virus.

263343 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #312 of 1913 🔗

What’s the solution? This nightmare is intolerable

263357 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Ben, 15, #313 of 1913 🔗

The solution is to take a step to the side and to become an observer from outside. I find the blind compliance of the masses hugely entertaining, such ‘jolly japes’ as they bend over backwards to meet ever more bizarre regulations.

263363 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to l835, 13, #314 of 1913 🔗

Very well said. You’ve got to chuckle at being called a granny killer by someone who disinfects their just eat

263400 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ben, 7, #315 of 1913 🔗

I am waiting for the time when, or if, the true believers realise that their lives are over. The danger, of course, is that they blame the nonbelievers for what has happened. This is why I’m not so sure about this idea that it is everyone’s duty to defy the authorities at every opportunity. Not wearing a mask, and being fined, for example, does nothing but provide the authorities with a ready-made scapegoat to point to.

If no one defied the authorities at all, there would be no one to blame but the authorities. As far as I can see, that would be the only circumstance in which the public might realise what was going on.

263447 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #316 of 1913 🔗

If no one defied the authorities at all, there would be no one to blame but the authorities.

This is an interesting re-working of Gandhi’s civil disobedience strategy to defeat the British Raj: civil obedience. I wonder why no political strategist ever thought of it before?

263491 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #317 of 1913 🔗

Refusal to comply with the bollocks empowers and encourages others.

264093 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Ben, 5, #318 of 1913 🔗

Jamie, there are times, like today, where I feel pretty desperate and at the end of my tether. This is what it feels like to abused and gaslighted.
A “No contact” regime with abusers is the classic remedy. Unfortunately, it’s not just a matter of NC, since the abusers are destroying our worlds, and we can’t escape their despicable abuse.

263392 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #319 of 1913 🔗

Your first paragraph matches exactly what dreary matt said on the Today Programme yesterday.
‘We will extend mass testing to other tier 3 areas to get cases down there too’.

263453 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 2, #320 of 1913 🔗

Grant Shapps was pushing this line this morning on the television news. Apparently, his interviewers found it perfectly sensible.

263538 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #321 of 1913 🔗

Convicted Internet Fraudster Grant Shapps is a c….
****snip****

263629 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #322 of 1913 🔗

Dissidents ‘immoral and dangerous’…. fits the treatment of deniers of the other authoritarian arm of Boris’s vision – the Green Road to the Stone Age – like a scrotum around a testicle.

263845 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #323 of 1913 🔗

Well, the MPs should have asked Wancock to produce that assessment shouldn’t they. Obviously, they haven’t got it because he didn’t have anything about his that would suggest there was a report or assessment of any kind.

263897 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #324 of 1913 🔗

There was an assessment dated 8 April 2020 (although it only appeared at the May). It assessed that the lockdown measures might kill two hundred thousand people; although the numbers are spread out and you have to do the arithmetic yourself.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/initial-estimates-of-excess-deaths-from-covid-19-8-april-2020

264055 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #325 of 1913 🔗

… mass testing in Liverpool had caused a dramatic reduction in “infections”
How does testing reduce infection rates? Hmm?

263350 Basics, 4, #326 of 1913 🔗

A win. First day since adverts installed I am not being sold a mask with triple layer protection and/or washabl fabric. It’s the small things that count.

263354 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 12, #327 of 1913 🔗

“Squeeze the disease”

Fuck off Boris.

263366 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Eddy, 5, #328 of 1913 🔗

Told to say it by his latest squeeze

263375 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Eddy, 6, #329 of 1913 🔗

I’d like to squeeze his head until it pops.

263381 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #330 of 1913 🔗

I was just about to have my breakfast, think I’ll just have a coffee

263480 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, #331 of 1913 🔗

I remember one of my uncles eating sheep’s ( not collaborator sheep) brains on toast.
Lived well into his 80’s.
PS: not that I would recommend it, you understand.

263541 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #332 of 1913 🔗

Sheeps brains, big in Morocco, so are the eyeballs.

263605 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #333 of 1913 🔗

🤢 . But they were made of sterner stuff.

263543 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #334 of 1913 🔗

What would come out? Eaton Mess?

263829 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Two-Six, #335 of 1913 🔗

BRILLIANT!!!

263424 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Eddy, 4, #336 of 1913 🔗

Boris is the disease.

263355 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #337 of 1913 🔗

A young black woman alleges she was restrained and punched by the police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55019778

As a result there is a ‘Newsnight’ investigation

The IOPC start an investigation. Two officers are removed from frontline duties

A stern warning that during the investigation police officers will be held accountable for their actions

White lockdown protestor in Liverpool punched and sprayed with CS whilst restrained on the floor

At an anti lockdown ‘rave’ in Bristol the police set an attack dog on a young white female causing her life changing injuries

In Liverpool and Bristol senior police officers are rabid in their condemnation of their victims

No IOPC or Newsnight investigations for them

The Chief Constable of Avon an Somerset seems to have gone full hysterical and appears to have lost control of himself

Be careful and avoid this policing apartheid if you can

263365 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Cecil B, 4, #338 of 1913 🔗

Down with the SS sorry British police force, and this shit government

263451 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 4, #339 of 1913 🔗

The police should realise that they’ve lost the trust and respect of the public.

I suggest that they go and read about Nuremberg – when the day of reckoning comes they won’t have an excuse.

263511 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Cecil B, #340 of 1913 🔗

The Private police force?

263360 Tyneside Tigress, 9, #341 of 1913 🔗

Older/experienced GP just interviewed by Kay Burley on Sky News – he is a regular, interviewed from his clinic. He doesn’t understand the half dose ‘fortunate discovery’, but is sure someone cleverer than him will be able to work it out. Umh, if a senior GP is expressing this type of view, perhaps the eminent scientists at Oxford Vaccine Group/AstraZeneca might want to spend more time investigating their ‘fortunate’ protocols, and less time parading their virtue on TV and in newspapers.

263362 Adam, replying to Adam, 21, #342 of 1913 🔗

Memo to the spineless morons masquerading as Conservative MP’s remove Johnson and Hancock now with them all the meaningless rules they are making up as they go along or be thrown out at the next election

263498 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Adam, 3, #343 of 1913 🔗

How many letters do you think Graham Brady (1922 Committee) has received?

263603 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #344 of 1913 🔗

I’d love to know. Allegedly he doesn’t even tell his wife how many are in the drawer until it hits tipping point. I think that’s 15% of the parliamentary party, so 55, but I’m not sure.

263638 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, 3, #345 of 1913 🔗

You are correct. And the Covid Recovery Group has at least seventy members.

264062 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Adam, 1, #346 of 1913 🔗

When is the next election? Three years from now?

263377 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to arfurmo, 7, #348 of 1913 🔗

Interesting that religions, the biggest control methods of all time, should agree to more controls

263388 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to arfurmo, 5, #349 of 1913 🔗

Stick to your imaginary sky fairy Mr Pope. Why would the Pope care about evidence? His whole like is dedicated to self delusion. Evidence counts not one jot!

263409 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to arfurmo, 6, #350 of 1913 🔗

…and in another news:

Pope Francis hosts delegation of NBA players and their union leaders at the  Vatican for MASKLESS meeting about social justice
https://www.rt.com/news/507614-pope-nba-social-justice/

263460 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 4, #351 of 1913 🔗

Jesus wept.

This doesn’t surprise me however. The Catholic Church are big on dogmas that are not to be questioned so here’s another one.

263461 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to arfurmo, 5, #352 of 1913 🔗

He can fuck off. My family are Catholics and they all hate the pope. My father will never forgive him ( and the previous ones) for covering and denying the pedophilia in the catholic church. My mum thinks he is fucking disgrace ..He has lost all credibility within the institution and people are pretty much catholic because they have been so for a 1000 years in some cases.

263546 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to arfurmo, 1, #353 of 1913 🔗

Ironic given that his favourite devotion is Our Lady Undoer of Knots (at least according to the local St Jude’s shrine). https://www.theholyrosary.org/maryundoerknots

263373 Jane, replying to Jane, 8, #354 of 1913 🔗

We’re canaries in the coal mine.
Others just continue on, getting tested, shutting their houses to visitors and pretending this will all go away if we all just wear our masks and get injected.
I wonder how many of us will last to see the architecture of tyranny fully erected.

263382 ▶▶ l835, replying to Jane, 10, #355 of 1913 🔗

We will all last to see it demolished!

263413 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to l835, -1, #356 of 1913 🔗

Famous last words, I fear!

263473 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to IanE, 2, #357 of 1913 🔗

If one accepts the analogy that we are war, Ian, what would that make your comment ?

263393 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jane, 8, #358 of 1913 🔗

I don’t know but surely it is coming. We are more than 50% of the way there with the false panic, the enabling legislation, deprivation of basic human rights, visual markers for compliance, coercive medication, Ofcom issuing reporting guidelines, the Electoral Commission seeking to stymie populist parties, social media censorship and MSM adherence to PC ideology.

I think we will end up with a kind of British DDR with fake parties in a fake democracy, fake human rights, fake prosperity, spies everywhere, and power permanently in the hands of, probably, the Labour Party. I used to think this was a possibility. It now seems to be almost a certainty.

263833 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to OKUK, #359 of 1913 🔗

Power in the hands of the Labour Party? Hell no. It will be this bunch of tossers that form the current Government.

263379 Crazy Hoarse, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 11, #360 of 1913 🔗

Good grief Toby, you really are a cuck. Trump did nothing of the sort. Good job with this site and the free speech union but on Trump you’re the cuckiest cuck that ever was cucked

263383 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 2, #361 of 1913 🔗

Any sign of Trump winning any of his legal actions…?

263396 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to mattghg, 4, #362 of 1913 🔗

Nothing means much until they get to the Supreme Court.

263825 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to richmond, #363 of 1913 🔗

Supreme Court has thrown it out.

264097 ▶▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Jo Dominich -, #364 of 1913 🔗

Hasn’t got anywhere near there yet.

263428 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to mattghg, 1, #365 of 1913 🔗

Yep, a couple of court reviews have been approved.

263539 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 4, #366 of 1913 🔗

I’m looking forward to President Harris, that should be fun, or God help us President Pelosi. Trump following Clinton’s advice not to concede “under any circumstances” and Biden lying (surprise!) that he wouldn’t claim victory until it was officially certified.

263542 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 1, #367 of 1913 🔗

Spectator groupthink lead by Andrew Neil.

263385 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 4, #368 of 1913 🔗

I may have missed the information, or more likely I am just rather thick, but I dont quite understand how the vaccine testing was carried out . We are told that vaccine X was 60% or 90% or 95 % effective , but what testing does this correspond to ?
Volunteers are split into 2 groups . Group A has the experimental vaccine, Group B has the control. Then what ? Are both groups then injected with SARS-Cov2 and the reactions observed? Or do they wait to see if random infection occurs? If Sars -Cov2 is so “deadly” as the media and politicians keep saying then the effects on GroupB could be lethal.

263398 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mikewaite, 6, #369 of 1913 🔗

You are not thick. Nobdoy has any interest in making the information clear to us. It’s the wait for random infection option. There was some chatter about human challenge trials being planned in the UK (deliberately exposing particpants) but I don’t know what happened to that.

263417 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #370 of 1913 🔗

Last I read, two start in January – Oxford/AZ and the Imperial one

263430 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #371 of 1913 🔗

Thanks, TT!

263454 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #372 of 1913 🔗

That’s interesting. Presumably human challenge can’t take place until the vaccine has passed earlier stages quite convincingly. And yet apparently we’re preparing to start vaccinating NHS workers next week?
I’m happy for all those who are keen to be vaccinated to jump the queue. A Sun survey (representative of Sun readers only) has allegedly found that’s 70% want it right now. After you then, and leave my family members alone.

263822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steph, #373 of 1913 🔗

What readership numbers has the Sun got?

265085 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to steph, #374 of 1913 🔗

Human challenge needs a better understanding of the risk of disease and, ideally a rescue treatment. Influenza has both, but challenge is still with strains that really only give upper respiratory tract infection. Malaria is challenged using vivax not falciparum (which is the killer cerebral form).

It’s not ethical to challenge a volunteer and give them potentially life-threatening pneumonia. The potentially is important here. Not understanding the risk factors means that challenge studies with sars-cov2 will be viewed with caution. I would not volunteer for one, having had it and serious illness despite being completely healthy, fit and no risk factors or comorbidities.

263403 ▶▶ steph, replying to mikewaite, 1, #375 of 1913 🔗

I’m fairly sure they are not being deliberately injected with the virus, but I’m sure you had your tongue in cheek there.
I understand trial numbers are so low because it’s pretty difficult to catch a real infection out there now. Should tell us much of what we need to know but “we” are not listening.

263615 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steph, #376 of 1913 🔗

Which is why many of those who took part in the trials were in Brazil.

263406 ▶▶ dpj, replying to mikewaite, 4, #377 of 1913 🔗

As I pointed out the other day in one of the trials only 0.6% of the control group tested positive after trial so pretty much negates the need for a vaccine at all in my opinion.

263444 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to dpj, 1, #378 of 1913 🔗

Agreed. The effectiveness of masks in the Danish study seems about the same as the effectiveness of the vaccines, i.e. ‘not enough data to know either way’.

263416 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mikewaite, 1, #379 of 1913 🔗

BBC R4 this morning The Expert said it is not known what happened to those who took the trial vaccine but went on to contract covid.

263422 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to mikewaite, 2, #380 of 1913 🔗

These are questions that any decent journo would be asking, so obviously no one at the BBC, ITV, Sky or LBC has asked them . I do know one vaccine has been tested not against a true placebo but against a meningitis vaccine!

I’ve no idea how they get to the 90% type figure. I’ve got the impression that people have simply been “released into the wild”. So it might be that with regular testing (how?) 10% were found to have symptoms ( but then what about asymptomatic infection?) But it might mean that 90% produced antibodies.

But in v old people do antibodies translate into effective immunity? Their immune systems simple aren’t working that well. V old people probably have good cross immunity in theory against Covid, as good as the rest of the population but in practice because of ageing and likely co-morbidities they simply cannot mount an effective defence. ,

263971 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to mikewaite, 2, #381 of 1913 🔗

You treat the same number on vaccine and placebo, then when you have accrued enough events (symptomatic infections) you unblind and look at the split. If you have 100 COVID19 infections and they split 50/50 then there is no effect of the vaccine. If they split 0/100 then there is 100% protection. The mRNA vaccines split about 5/95 to 9/90 and such a split is very unlikely by chance (not impossible but very unlikely – flip some coins…).

The Oxford vaccine split is about 30/70. Not so good. It also failed to perform as well in tests in animals. That is protects from serious disease is absolutely expected. Trials of pure antibodies have shown that if you treat early then you prevent about 2/3 of hospital admissions compared to a placebo. So the vaccine at the least prevents serious infections.Whether it stops transmission was not tested in any of the trials.

263386 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #382 of 1913 🔗

Court backlogs
BBC R4 The Long View
‘Magistrates Courts had a backlog of 500,000 cases in August. Now reduced to 490,00’
Do the math.

More serious cases (Crown and County Court ?) 49,000.

263389 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, #383 of 1913 🔗

It’s because they are only hearing long covid cases

263394 ▶▶ IanE, replying to karenovirus, #384 of 1913 🔗

Missing ‘0’.

263607 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to IanE, #385 of 1913 🔗

True but you got the point 😜

263440 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to karenovirus, 2, #386 of 1913 🔗

And celebrity court cases of course….because we must know whether one WAG or another is right. Shame they can’t apply the same urgency to things that really matter!

263459 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to VickyA, 3, #387 of 1913 🔗

If only we could persuade Varney or Rooney to speak out about lockdown. The less curious members of the public might wake up.

263387 Cecil B, 4, #388 of 1913 🔗

The adverts are offering me ‘Liberty Print Tana Lawn Knickers’

Who’s Tana? and are they suitable to be worn on Astroturf?

263390 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #389 of 1913 🔗

Our entire movement summed up in ten minutes. This video is incredible! I want to know how to download it to keep forever. Anyone??
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

263408 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #391 of 1913 🔗

If you are using a PC search for YouTube downloader freeware, or search your YouTube account for download, might cost little bit.

263449 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #392 of 1913 🔗

Hey look, it’s old Epicurus at the beginning. And since we are under massive psychological attack, there is no better way to innoculate ourselves that with a little ancient wisdom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bguEiUgDA4

263523 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #393 of 1913 🔗

Epictetus although the bust does seem to be Epicurus.

263622 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #394 of 1913 🔗

Tubeoffline – can be slightly hit and miss, but works on a large number of sites.

263395 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 5, #395 of 1913 🔗

What I find funny is that there’s little mention that we may have a had a strain of the flu, even if SARS-CoV-2 was doing the rounds. So a lot of people who came down with a bad fever may have had a flu instead.

Thee does not seem to be a lot of testing and characterisation of that.

In previous years we have strains of the flu, most notably 2018 with the Aussie Flu. I had that. Horrible stuff but the flu none the less.

263404 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #397 of 1913 🔗

Just reading the Merthyr story https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55035382 mentioned in the ’round-up’ above. It says they found 9 positives in 977 tests, 0.9%. But that the local prevalence was “250.3 cases per 100,000 of population”, which is 0.25%.
This story illustrates various possible things:

  1. My maths is wrong?
  2. The journalist’s maths is worse than mine & doesn’t appreciate that the mass testing has just identified that the rate of infection is 4 x greater than was thought?
  3. That they’re comparing apples & oranges & that the 250 per 100,000 is infections over a period, or it should be per 10,000?

Do we have any Welshmen/women on the site who are familiar with what’s going on there who can shed some light?

263407 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NickR, 11, #398 of 1913 🔗

I can, it’s a fuck up and has been since March. Does that help?

263503 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cecil B, 2, #399 of 1913 🔗

Now that would be a BBC headline I’d love to see!!!

263412 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to NickR, 2, #400 of 1913 🔗

A local cluster within the greater region. Random chance would dictate there will be pockets with high positive results. No doubt there are areas with zero positives in a local area.

263505 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 1, #401 of 1913 🔗

If this was a standard binomial with N=977 and p=0.0025 then you would expect a mean number of positives of about 2.5 and a standard deviation of about 1.6, so 9 positive is four standard deviations above the mean, which would happen about 1 time in a thousand. So rather unlikely.

However, there are two factors to take into account. One is that people are more likely to take the test if they have some reason to believe they have, or have been exposed to, the disease: for example if they have mild symptoms. The other is the false positive and false negative rates. For the Liverpool tests, that would be 0.4% FPR and 25% FNR. On that basis, one would expect now about 6 positive test results, 2 true and 4 false: and the result is about 1.5 standard deviations above the mean: not at all unlikely.

263547 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, #402 of 1913 🔗

Alternatively, you might regard it as Poisson with parameter 2.5, in which case the probability of scoring 9 is around 0.8 in a thousand. For Poisson with parameter 6, the probability of scoring 9 is around 1 in 15.

263577 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard Pinch, #403 of 1913 🔗

Do you have a reference for the false positive and negative rates for the Liverpool tests?

263878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard Pinch, #405 of 1913 🔗

So I have read the BMJ article and it does not say that the false positive rate is 0.4% and the false negative rate is 25%.

263957 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Steve Hayes, #406 of 1913 🔗

Quite correct. I gave three references, which put the FPR at 0.4%, 0.6% and 0.7% respectively. I chose one, the lowest as it happens, to indicate what effect it would have on the conclusions.

264016 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Richard Pinch, #407 of 1913 🔗

There you go, why didn’t the reporter write that. Good to see that our very own troll has an A level in statistics.

264276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to NickR, 1, #408 of 1913 🔗

Well, I rather assumed that someone who asked a question about statistics was expecting an answer involving statistics.

263423 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 3, #409 of 1913 🔗

A question, if you use a vaccine on people who have had C19 (antibody/T Cell) what happens? Does it enhance the vaccine, have no effect? Make it look as if the vaccine is 90% effective?

263435 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to FenTyger, 4, #410 of 1913 🔗

The problem is, nobody knows, least of all it would seem, those running the trials!

263477 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to FenTyger, 1, #411 of 1913 🔗

Another question -if you thought “in for a penny, in for a pound” and had Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford/Astra what would happen?

263574 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to FenTyger, 3, #412 of 1913 🔗

Given that obesity is linked to significantly higher mortality from/with C19, have the vaccines been tested on that particular demographic?
(I think this is rhetorical question.)

263425 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 14, #413 of 1913 🔗

So what’s the point in booking or organising anything in the near future if at the drop of a hat those plans get cancelled, because somebodies granny in the outer Hebrides gets a bit of a sniffle.

why book a holiday abroad if you get turned back at the airport?

My major problem is we have another 4 years before we can say fuck you to any political party.

263464 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #414 of 1913 🔗

They cancelled elections. Given all the harm they have inflicted, what makes you think they will reinstate them?

263434 kf99, 4, #415 of 1913 🔗

SNP not having a good week. Cancelling Hogmany then this

The SNP’s Westminster leader Ian Blackford has been accused of “trying to stir up hatred” after publicly challenging a photographer who moved from England to Scotland over a supposed lockdown breach.

263438 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #416 of 1913 🔗

Regarding the pots & pans banging idea, whilst this may seem a good idea, I really don’t see how that would actually achieve anything????

I am also not trying to upset anyone on here by saying the above.

What there really needs to be is civil unrest now.

263446 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to AnotherSceptic, 12, #417 of 1913 🔗

I agree, people will just think it’s being done for the nhs.

263456 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to AnotherSceptic, 11, #418 of 1913 🔗

Plus I hated all that shit for the NHS – not least because it terrified the pets and wildlife around here. If we going to scare anyone, it should be politicians. This should go to the streets, not the front door

263472 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #419 of 1913 🔗

I think the idea of honking car horns outside tv studios is a better one. Or wherever the BBC are broadcasting live. Or taxis barricading Westminster. Getting MSM to take notice matters.

263600 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #420 of 1913 🔗

With their trade down 95% hundreds of London cabbies have had their taxis repossessed by finance companies who are now after their houses since they were ‘nudged’ by TfL into investing in £65k all electric vehicles.

263806 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to karenovirus, 6, #421 of 1913 🔗

OMG that is unbelievable and shocking. They should get in those taxis before repossession and block up the London streets sounding their horns. They would get a lot of support.

264076 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #422 of 1913 🔗

Mark Windows has spoken about these kinds of tactics many times on his podcasts. Picking them off, one by one.

263632 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #423 of 1913 🔗

Sounding horns outside all town halls and municipal offices? On a fixed day of the week.
It probably wont disrupt individuals or services much, as the staff will be all working from home. But it might provide a common locus for all communities’ protests throughout the land and highlight that councils have been complicit in this whole business.

263616 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #424 of 1913 🔗

I tend to think it will be misinterpreted as pro-NHS pot-banging, which like so many things stood meaning on its head.
Charivari also known as rough music was an expression of disapproval for people who didn’t conform to the accepted mores of the community.
I suspect that sense of disapproval has now been lost.
(Interestingly – at least to me – it was used in a very disciplined way and to powerful effect in Barcelona a couple of years ago during the Catalan independence struggles.)

Civil disobedience is needed. Low-level civil unrest perhaps – violent disruption will only breed violent responses which will be portrayed as justified response to the extremists.

263805 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #425 of 1913 🔗

Maybe protest outside leading buildings such as City Hall or what about the studios where they broadcast BBC Breakfast and GMB – after all they have been one of the instigators of this whole shit show.

Have banners with Vernon Coleman’s mantra:

DISTRUST THE GOVERNMENT

AVOID MASS MEDIA

FIGHT THE LIES

263442 iainclark, 2, #426 of 1913 🔗

Nus Ghani is a woman.

263445 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 24, #427 of 1913 🔗

Feeling very down again about it all today. When will this madness end? There just seems to be no end in sight, will the lie ever be toppled and the truth come out? Seeing Johnson holed up at home addressing Parliament reminds me of dictators addressing the people from their safe havens away from the public eye. This is an absolute scandal but no one seems to be taking notice of the growing number of opponents, mask zealotry is here to stay it seems and the vaccine is just going to polarise society even further. It’s a nightmare. What are church and faith leaders doing? Very little it seems. It’s shameful.

263504 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Moomin, 8, #428 of 1913 🔗

We are all here, we all feel the same, we support you and understand how you feel. You are never alone.

263654 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #429 of 1913 🔗

Thanks for the support. I’m self-employed and I’m very thankful that my work has still been coming in, not sure how I’d have coped otherwise.

263537 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Moomin, 5, #430 of 1913 🔗

Churches are beginning to meet illegally, underground, address at last might via whatsapp like a rave. They say (on condition of anonymity) that they feel like they are living in communist China.

263799 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Colin, 1, #431 of 1913 🔗

In my view China is looking like a brilliant democracy right now!

263559 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Moomin, 3, #432 of 1913 🔗

Seeing Johnson holed up at home addressing Parliament reminds me of dictators addressing the people from their safe havens away from the public eye.

You know, that’s exactly what I was thinking, except most dictators do that to avoid bullets.

263578 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ceriain, 2, #433 of 1913 🔗

Maybe he was avoiding verbal bullets yesterday when his link to the House went down.

263801 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #434 of 1913 🔗

Be certain of it. Same thing as hiding in a fridge and refusing to attend GE interviews.

264043 ▶▶ annie, replying to Moomin, 2, #435 of 1913 🔗

Don’t trust in the coward churches. Trust in God.
Every day I open my psalter at random and read what us before me. Today it opened at Psalm 37:

Fret not thyself because of the ungodly; neither be thou envious against the evil doers.
For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and be withered even as the green herb.

263448 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 24, #436 of 1913 🔗

As I keep stating I will not be having this unnecessary vaccine. I’m happy for my immune system to keep me safe, it has done so all my life. And no I’m not an anti vaxxer I’ve had all the usual vaccines as a child. Knowing the evil lies we have been subjected to I am furiously angry with this government and the health service for perpetuating the deceit to the extent that they are doing.

263518 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #437 of 1913 🔗

Getting covid seems to increase one’s average life span. Can’t quite work that out but it’s a reassuring stat.

263534 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #438 of 1913 🔗

Haha I just wrote exactly the same thing on another comment

264078 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #439 of 1913 🔗

What does not kill me makes me stronger.

263567 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #440 of 1913 🔗

I never trusted the bastard Government but I did have some trust in the NHS. No now, not ever again. These institutions are a clear and present danger to me and my loved ones.
The Government has taken on the mantle of absolute EVIL. Now waging war on US instead of other people in far off lands.
Bastards. The NHS and the staff that are not speaking out and fighting back. Evil.
Fuck all these people who believe in this COVID bollocks. They are EVIL.

263455 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #441 of 1913 🔗

I’m able to access it as I’m a subscriber (albeit I bain’t be a Tory). Mr Ridley writes:-

“The cynic in me wondered whether the haste with which the government had rushed to bring in the national lockdown, at the urging of its questionably sage advisors, was so that lockdown could be credited with the fall that was coming.”

Aye, the same idea has crossed my mind. The doomsayers couldn’t let it be shown as Nostradamuses they weren’t worth paying in washers.

263474 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #442 of 1913 🔗

In England cases peaked on the 9th Nov way before lockdown could have any effect and 10 days before sage indicated we should see any effect.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=England

263506 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jonny S., #443 of 1913 🔗

but presumed daily new infections peaked on 31st Oct and the number of infections in society peaked on 4th Nov

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

this data is probably better as subject to less sampling bias

263513 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #444 of 1913 🔗

TY’s analysis that the politicans calculate that the political damage from collateral deaths is less than the political damage from ‘covid’ deaths or the (remote) possibility of NHS being unable to cope is spot on I think (unlike his USA analysis!). Astonishing wickedness even for the political class (Bannon’s ‘Party of Davos’).

263465 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 6, #445 of 1913 🔗

Just heard on the local radio, Huddersfield area, Barry Shearman the local labour MP calling for full lockdown until a vaccine is rolled out to everyone.
Matt Hancock replied that local tiered lockdowns are being reintroduced as he is following the evidence.
If I heard that right it’s the first time I’ve heard him say follow the evidence and not follow the science.
What I do know of politicians is that little shifts in language like this can mean bigger things going on in the background.
Is there starting to be a shift in governments covid policy now Cummings has gone?

263471 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Jonny S., 6, #446 of 1913 🔗
263482 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to arfurmo, 3, #447 of 1913 🔗

Thanks arfumo.

Good to see all the comments disagreeing with him

263490 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to arfurmo, 4, #448 of 1913 🔗

Comments ‘Is this a parody account’ ‘genuinely laughable’

Not one supportive

The silly old fart should not be allowed out

As the football fans sing ‘We are coming for you’

263499 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to arfurmo, 1, #449 of 1913 🔗

Co-op mindset

263564 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jonny S., 5, #450 of 1913 🔗

I heard rumours of a shift a week or two ago, but this new tougher-than-before Tiers until March system has put paid to all of that I think.

And I don’t think Hancock has a clue what’s coming out of his mouth half the time. He certainly doesn’t use language that carefully.

263579 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonny S., 1, #451 of 1913 🔗

Not sure why you were downticked; your questions were valid.

Matt Hancock replied that local tiered lockdowns are being reintroduced as he is following the evidence.

Handjob just reads whatever is written on the paper in front of him; he “opens his mouth and lets his belly rattle” as my old Granny used to say.

Is there starting to be a shift in governments covid policy now Cummings has gone?

No, as A. Contrarian says, “Tiers until March system has put paid to all of that I think.”

He’s right.

263788 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jonny S., 2, #452 of 1913 🔗

What planet is Shearman on for God’s sake. I say sack him, put him on Universal Credit so he cannot pay his mortgage and he will lose everything just like millions of others. What a complete and utter deranged idiot.

265051 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Dominich -, #453 of 1913 🔗

He’s over 80. Well done you Huddersfieldians.

263468 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 30, #454 of 1913 🔗

Everyday the headlines from the 24/7 media are telling me that primary care is getting ready for the mass vaccination big push ; according to the BBC GPs are going to be super busy . I am not sure why this is so , I think I could count the number of flu jabs I have personally given this year on the fingers of one hand . These vaccinations when they arrive will be administered as usual by HCAs on £ 10 an hour.

We know who is vulnerable to Covid; all those who are expected to die within the next 12 months. Of course according to Johnson the vaccine will be voluntary , but what about those who lack capacity?. Relatives of patients in EMI dementia homes who see their loved ones unable to feed themselves, doubly incontinent often ask do they really need to have the flu jab. it will be the same for the Covid jab. The home owner will say no jab no place in the home. It is a tragedy that we are so obsessed by prolonging life at whatever cost that we have lost all sense of reality.

263475 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #455 of 1913 🔗

True

263479 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Peter Thompson, 14, #456 of 1913 🔗

This is one of my biggest questions about all the hype about a vaccine. If most of the people covid kills are at death’s door anyway will it really make much difference to them and rest of population don’t need it as immune system will do it’s job so why?

263489 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Peter Thompson, 11, #457 of 1913 🔗

The risk of dying with the coronavirus mirrors exactly the risk of dying even if the virus did not exist.

263522 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #458 of 1913 🔗

In fact I believe average life expectancy is approximately 12 months longer if you die of coronavirus. Not quite sure how that works but it’s a fact.

263557 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Colin, 6, #459 of 1913 🔗

It seems to be the effect of a “benign” winter last year, which saw fewer deaths due to flu and respiratory diseases.
So “nature” caught up in the spring.

263601 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #460 of 1913 🔗

So “nature” caught up in the spring.

Yes, I’ve made this point a couple of times on here. I believe that the Covid just took the ‘dry tinder’, as Ivor Cummins called it, in the Spring, and is taking the rest now.

263566 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Colin, 5, #461 of 1913 🔗

Life expectancy is 81
Average age of death with coronavirus is 82.4
So even taking the obviously inflated coronavirus death figures at face value, the virus is having zero effect on mortality. What has changed is what is written of the death certificates – and the government changed the rules on their completion to increase the number of coronavirus deaths.

263610 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #462 of 1913 🔗

It’s because life expectancy is an average of all deaths so is brought lower by infant mortality, etc. The reason Covid is a higher is because it barely affects young people (that is a good thing). The high average of death is a clear indicator of it’s comparatively benign nature. A better comparison would be average age of death from flu. I don’t have the number but it is certain to be lower because flu kills proportionally more young people than Covid, so if you’re a lockdown zealot you should be terrified of leaving the house without a flu jab, forget Covid. Covid (if the cause of death is actually Covid) is almost entirely killing people with a short life expectancy anyway (the dry tinder)…just like any other virulent illness. In short it’s absolutely nothing to get in a tizz about.

263512 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #463 of 1913 🔗

Except when they still die after the jab there will be pressure not to put COVID as the cause (because the vaccine must have worked) but the real cause e.g. heart failure, pneumonia etc. Places to hide and manipulate figures will be reduced. No comfort and best to stop the experiment on the vulnerable but if they do, they will be painting themselves into a corner.

263524 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to VickyA, 6, #464 of 1913 🔗

I also expect a dialled down PCR to 24 cycles.

263602 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DRW, 2, #465 of 1913 🔗

Yup! That is probably part of the plan.

263785 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #466 of 1913 🔗

Thank you so much for this truth. It matters to us to have it.

263470 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 105, #467 of 1913 🔗

Been off for a while – knackered, done-in and, quite frankly, despairing of what is being done to us. I veer from unrestrained visceral fury to beaten-down anguish. I long for the nothingness of sleep, an escape from the seemingly never-ending psychological abuse.

BigPharma and the NHS took my mum, now they want me and my business. And for this, I am expected to tug my forelock in grovelling, grateful thanks. How I hate this nasty horrible world which I thought was pretty rubbish before this shitiest of shit-shows began. I hate the pygmy politicians with their weasel words and their patronising slogans. I despise their greed and their profligacy, their total disregard for humanity, their continuing psychological abuse. I challenge them all to get out into their constituencies and see for themselves the devastation they are wreaking, while they seek to walk away from the carnage unscathed.

I do wonder at what stage the masses will revolt. After all, they remained silent when their liberty was stripped from them and they looked the other way when humanity and kindness were outlawed. If it is only when they come for their money, that the tide turns, it will say an awful lot about them won’t it. A supine, acquiescent blob who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

263484 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 29, #468 of 1913 🔗

Just remember you are not alone we all feel the same. I take comfort from this website so rant away KH.

263485 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 15, #469 of 1913 🔗

Great to have you back, never let the rage subside

263516 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kh1485, 11, #470 of 1913 🔗

Wholeheartedly agree

263553 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 10, #471 of 1913 🔗

Welcome back kh. We all need time off from this, to recharge and refocus.
You are right to be angry and you are fully entitled to rant. If you can’t do it here, where else?

263585 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 25, #472 of 1913 🔗

Thanks. I try it in the shop – I just get blank looks. I think, however, I got through to one couple today. They were doing the faux-pity thing that I absolutely hate. I pointed out the financial armageddon that is coming everyone’s way. I think I heard the sound of a penny dropping.

263649 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 28, #473 of 1913 🔗

Well done if you’ve challenged the thinking of just one couple.

My window cleaner has just been and we were chatting.
He feels that there is a great deal of scepticism amongst his customers and a sense that this cannot simply be about a virus. I don’t think he’s read the GBD, but he expressed all the points it makes, and reckons many customers feel the same.
The government’s narrative is breaking down and people are waking up and thinking for themselves.
Be of good heart.

263582 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 16, #474 of 1913 🔗

Welcome back kh and again remember you’re not alone.

I have the same question as you and I alternate between optimism and despair. I don’t mean to sound horrible and mean but some of the worst lockdown zealots I know are fairly well off. I’ve lost respect for them and despise them for their cowardice and lack of empathy. Perhaps there needs to be a reckoning for them in the form of higher taxes on their pensions and savings and them losing value. I shan’t shed any tears for them when they’re reduced to penury just like what many of us are now going through or threatened with.

263623 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #475 of 1913 🔗

Thanks Bart. Just said the same thing myself further up/down thread. The financial illiteracy on display is staggering to behold.

263657 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 6, #476 of 1913 🔗

You’re welcome. It is appalling how many people are ignorant in terms of finances and economics even with the basic stuff

263696 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to kh1485, 12, #477 of 1913 🔗

I just want to sleep too. I’m boiling with rage and can’t understand why more people don’t see what is happening.

263707 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to kh1485, 7, #478 of 1913 🔗

Nail on head. Brilliant post, couldn’t have said it better myself.

263711 ▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, 3, #479 of 1913 🔗

Good to see you back, kh1485. Sorry to hear you’re having a hard time.

263777 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to kh1485, 5, #480 of 1913 🔗

Please, hang on to visceral fury and not your anguish. Fury means action anguish means learned helplessness. We can do this, we can. Please. Have faith and have courage.

263850 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 8, #481 of 1913 🔗

My own MP voted for this cruelty (Labour). Needless to say, I shall never vote Labour again or even vote again

263992 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to kh1485, 5, #482 of 1913 🔗

My thoughts exactly. My friend’s cancer in now terminal due to this deceit. I thought I’d reached retirement without ever seeing war in my country. I was wrong.

264299 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mutineer, 2, #483 of 1913 🔗

I’m so very sorry. It is just criminal, there is no other word for it.

264048 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 5, #484 of 1913 🔗

Don’t bother with the subhuman monkey-masses, kh. Trust in the valiant remnant of the human race that gathers here and in other places. While we exist and don’t give in, justice, kindness, vision and honesty are not dead.
You are living proof that they are not.
Heart up.

264114 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 3, #485 of 1913 🔗

What happened to Public Health England and their 4 billion pound annual budget? An embarrassment for the government? Not singing from the same song sheet?

264740 ▶▶ James007, replying to kh1485, 2, #486 of 1913 🔗

Your posts have been encouraging. Even in despair, knowing that others feel the same way is a comfort. It can seem like all have converted to Covidianism and the church of the NHS.
Best wishes and thank you

264742 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 4, #487 of 1913 🔗

One thing worth bearing in mind is this: they have eased the restrictions over Christmas, not out of any respect for the birth of the King of Kings and only ruler of princes, but because they know that any orders they give will largely be disobeyed. They are afraid, and we must capitalise on that.

264762 ▶▶ fiery, replying to kh1485, 4, #488 of 1913 🔗

I also fluctuate between seething rage and abject despair. From the onset of this charade I was suspicious and sceptical and saw this whole thing as being entirely about social control. I have always been more fearful of people’s reactions to this than the virus itself. I’ve done very little differently, don’t wear a mask, was out all the time during the March lockdown and have visited my elderly parents during the current one. I’ve lost friends over this as most are complete zealots and think it’s the plague. Incidentally most of these people are in well paid secure jobs whereas I have a zero hours contract.

263476 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 17, #489 of 1913 🔗

To live and love freely is to resist.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1331169084222926848

My love & prayers to you all.

Arnie.

263510 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Arnie, 10, #490 of 1913 🔗

Very talented young man is Bob, and a diehard sceptic. Love him!

263486 Ben, replying to Ben, 24, #491 of 1913 🔗
263527 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ben, 5, #492 of 1913 🔗

And the increased military spend too. Ctrl+P going into overdrive.

Full speed ahead and over the cliff!

264149 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #493 of 1913 🔗

Johnson is morphing into a Totalitarian Dictator. Beware!

263552 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ben, 8, #494 of 1913 🔗

And the government has spent at least two hundred billion on business and job protection schemes – paying people to not work, with money it does not have, which will have to be repaid, with interest, by some combination of higher taxes, higher prices, lower wages, reduced public services: reduced standard of living for millions and millions of people.

263571 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #495 of 1913 🔗

Someone yesterday said next year’s budget is going to be off the scale in terms of the sheer scale of spending cuts and tax hikes.

263588 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 2, #496 of 1913 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me but many will because they’ve been spoiled by all that free money.

They need to realise that free money doesn’t exist and it will have to be paid at some point.

263592 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #497 of 1913 🔗

Many will get a rude awakening when that happens.

263604 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 2, #498 of 1913 🔗

They will. That’s them being hit in their pockets and stomach.

The millenials will too because they will be disappointed if they expect mum & dad to bail them out and they can’t.

263675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #499 of 1913 🔗

Not if you’re retired, it won’t. The gerontocracy that locks students in halls, milks them for fees and then taxes them to pay for something that never effected them in the first place is truly evil.

263700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to DRW, 2, #500 of 1913 🔗

Good. But they still won’t connect it to anything that has happened in the last 8 months, unless TV tells them to.

263669 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 5, #501 of 1913 🔗

Johnson is a fkucwit. A globalist stooge who came to power on a lie. I doub t he or Charles ever had Covid, but it helped the propaganda machine to convince the people it was something to fear. It worked.

263769 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #502 of 1913 🔗

Bella Donna, he came into power on the back of a seriously rigged election. I agree he never had Covid not now not then it’s just a ploy to get out of the limelight because he can’t take the heat or responsibility. Shame we haven’t got an opposition party isn’t it.

263764 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ben, 3, #503 of 1913 🔗

Dido Harding must be a very rich person by now. This is truly scandalous, truly for a system that has failed consistently and is not fit for purpose.

263997 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Jo Dominich -, #504 of 1913 🔗

She’s married to John Penrose, MP who wants the NHS dismantled.

264002 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Jo Dominich -, #505 of 1913 🔗

She’s married to MP John Penrose who wants the NHS dismantled.

264050 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, #506 of 1913 🔗

Can I have my £733 and not be tested?

263488 Julian, replying to Julian, 32, #507 of 1913 🔗

“Lockdown 3.0”. Sorry, when did we come out of Lockdown? We’re still in Lockdown 1.0. Lockdown has been ongoing since March.

263492 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 10, #508 of 1913 🔗

Exactly. They think that by calling it something different, we will be fooled.

264152 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, 2, #509 of 1913 🔗

Won’t get fooled again, eh?

263609 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 7, #510 of 1913 🔗

They can fool us with name changes or parts 1, 2 or 3 but agree we’ve not emerged from the lockdown since March.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck……

263721 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, 5, #511 of 1913 🔗

Completely agree. And when Sunak announced the extension of the furlough scheme to March 2021 I knew that we would be in lockdown till at least that time. “Another six months of national misery” as I described it in a message to my MP.

263493 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 6, #512 of 1913 🔗

Last 7 days in UK

Virus Tests Conducted 2,317,221
People Tested Positive 136,814 (-22.8%)
Hospitalisations 11,653 (-2.9%)
Deaths (within 28 days of +ve test) 3,084 (+175 (+6%))

Lock me down, I’m scared.

264157 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sarigan, #513 of 1913 🔗

Most, if not all of them, are Flu or other causes.

263496 Sim18, replying to Sim18, 1, #514 of 1913 🔗

“It’s a pity that residents in Primrose Hill claim that they can’t get to sleep. But there are some simple things they can do about this. The obvious solution is just to wear earplugs or earmuffs.

If that doesn’t work then they could just sleep at a different time of the day because it probably doesn’t matter what time of day they sleep, due to the lockdown.”

Quite a good spoof letter from Paul Brown, if a little obvious.

263554 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sim18, 1, #515 of 1913 🔗

I was taken in until I got to that part.

263497 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 10, #516 of 1913 🔗

Interesting bit about hospitality (and the Gov’s hatred of it).

A chap on Github has got himself access to the Serco NHS T&T App API and has put some nice stats on his Github page: https://russss.github.io/covidtracker/app.html

The interesting thing is the number of ‘risky venues’ (as the app calls them). Since they started getting the suckers to report in at pubs, restaurants, and anywhere else offering QR codes for scanning, the system has identified a whole 12 venues . Yes, you read that correctly, 12.

More interesting is that 5 of them have been since the latest big shutdown started. (I wonder if they are in Wales.)

Remember, SAGE previously insisted that hospitality was one of the main drivers of the virus.

263590 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 12, #517 of 1913 🔗

This is incredible. Just goes to show that restrictions of pubs and restaurants is just for show. 10pm v 11 pm, face nappies if you are not seated, substantial meals or no booze, its all bollocks.
I hate these fools that believe in this shit.

263665 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, 2, #518 of 1913 🔗

Incredible it is.

Before the Tiers were introduced, Whitty told MPs that most infections came from pubs, etc.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8821281/Ministers-used-figures-based-fewer-100-pubs-justify-plan-shut-thousands.html

Chief Medical Officer Professor Chris Whitty briefed 149 MPs from the North and the Midlands yesterday to tell them that a ‘significant proportion’ of exposure to coronavirus was happening in the hospitality sector.

He showed them a table which suggested that 32 per cent of transmission may be occurring in pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants, with only 2.6 per cent taking place in the home.

But the MPs complained the information was ‘selective’ and clearly serving the Government’s purpose.

The table he showed them was from a report from June/July in the USA, and his ‘evidence’ consisted of a claim that 30-odd% of people had been in a ‘hospitality setting’ in the previous 9-14 days.

Yet still most of them voted to agree the Tier system and later the 2nd Lockdown.

263659 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 11, #519 of 1913 🔗

They hate hospitality but they hate private gatherings (weddings, funerals, private parties) even more. They hate anything that they cannot regulate, track and trace, and they want all human interactions to take place on their terms.

263761 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Julian, 2, #520 of 1913 🔗

Just a thought. The Night Time Industry Association is in Judicial Review against the Government. The Letter Before Action has been issued and the process is underway. This graph is just what they need as part of their evidence. Also, the fact Witty had based his comments on a previous USA study.

264749 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, #521 of 1913 🔗

I agree but I think this is also their Achilles heel. Do you really think that the establishment are going to forego weddings, dinners, balls, parties and the like, for ever? Of course not. They will do it behind closed doors, but eventually word – and photographs – will get out, and people will start wondering why they can’t go for a drink at the Duke of York, when Boris et al are out partying with the actual Duke of York.

263751 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 3, #522 of 1913 🔗

Well SAGE as we all know, aren’t concerned with the facts just the power. They have variously blamed people meeting up for a chat, family get together’s, mixing at work, they have blamed just about everything except themselves. But this, this is brilliant.

263501 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #523 of 1913 🔗

DearLock down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

From Ivor Cummins : “A must watch. I can say no more. You can support the corporate takeover of our society. Or you can support truth in science, and protect our future. The latter protect our society, over the actions of vandals. It is your choice. Make it wisely.

263514 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #524 of 1913 🔗

Preaching to the converted again though. It just makes me more mad watching things like that. And the sad thing is that the people that do need to watch it will still just dismiss it as conspiracy theory because of “virus”.

263535 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #525 of 1913 🔗

I understand where you’re coming from, Another. But I found it uplifting when I watched it just now. I have no doubt that you are right and any non-sceptics would just dismiss it as dangerous propaganda. Most people chose the path of least resistance months ago.

263561 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 26, #526 of 1913 🔗

Ok…my rant for the day. Videos like that are great and reinforce what we have known form March: that this whole thing is a massive overaction, that the virus in no deadlier than a seasonal flu and that we have given away our rights and destroy the economy for something that is basically a bad cold. NONE OF THIS MATTERS!! Nobody besides the sceptics will not even entertain the idea because they have too much invested in their fals reality. The government are all in into the Great Reset ( remember when Boris said build ,back ,better over and over) and agenda 2030 , the populous would never admit that have fed a lie which they basically swallowed whole without even questioning it once. So these sort of videos are cute but non important. I have given up watching them or listening to Carl Hanegan Sikora, Gupta etc..Why do i need too? I know I agree with everything they say and nobody else who is not woken up already will not listen to anything they say. The brainwashing and the propaganda from MSM has been complete success. Goebbels would be having a wet dream just thinking about it.

And so we plod on. We don’t live because there is almost no life left ,we exist and a lot of us are loosing hope as everyday there is a new indignity , a new humiliation , a new way to restrict our rights and the 99% do …NOTHING!! There is no riots, protest, massive civil acts of disobedience.. Nothing! We slowly walk toward a Brave New World. When they decide that I can’t travel, shop, walk down the streets and work without a vaccine pass I will either submit and live as a slave or end it all. Depends how I feel on the day. I have survived the killing fields and mountains of Afghanistan, saw my friends blown up, held my best friends hand while he died in front of me. None of that matters, it was all for nothing. The country I love more that live has spat me out and has nothing for me but disdain. Fuck them fuck the lot of them!!

Rant over..

263612 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #527 of 1913 🔗

I agree with everything that you have just said. That is exactly how I feel now.

263742 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #528 of 1913 🔗

Yep as someone else said on here, this is a fight to the death. I will fight too. To be honest, I truly believe there isn’t much more mileage in what they’re doing any more. People are going to do what they like at Christmas whatever these psychopaths tell us. The scientists are not following the science as if they were, we wouldn’t be in Lockdown. The scientists are following their own vested interests in becoming multi-millionnaires with these vaccines pure and simple. I’m not giving up I’ll oppose and fight whatever happens. I’d rather be in the Resistance than a Collaborator. Nil desperandum, this will end and I believe the end is nigh. Just don’t listen to the smokescreens such as vaccines etc – they are just masking a very weak Government who have got it wrong, corrupt scientists who lied, cheated and broke their ethical code and the fact of course, that there is no pandemic or second wave. Keep a clear focus. We will win.

263887 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #529 of 1913 🔗

I know it may sound patronising or simplistic but creativity, spirituality and nature always overcomes this feeling of powerlessness.

264765 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #530 of 1913 🔗

Read Rupert Brooke’s poem, ‘The Soldier’. England is not a government, or a set of arbitrary laws. It is a place, a people, a history, a culture and a tradition. Her people, in thrall to despotic rulers, have accepted slavery before, but always, they have risen up against it in the end.

263519 Dan Clarke, 8, #531 of 1913 🔗

Lock Down 3, is that so, Nudge Unit?

263529 dhpaul, replying to dhpaul, 11, #532 of 1913 🔗

Like most of us on here, I have no wish whatsoever to have some undertested vaccine for something with a survival rate of 99.7%. But I have a daughter and grandchildren in Australia who I haven’t seen for two years now, and god knows when the chance will arise again. So seeing Qantas announcement about compulsory vaccinations fills me with dread. I can use other airlines, thats not the problem, but I fully expect countries as well as airlines to introduce the same rules.
So I will be forced at some point into compliance.

263548 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to dhpaul, 8, #533 of 1913 🔗

There is a link from earlier today to a travel agent (Fair Winds ?) who say they will be boycotting Qantas when they resume operations in Australia next year.

263581 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to karenovirus, 9, #534 of 1913 🔗

Think it was the guys at Tradewinds. I am surveying my clients to see what their thoughts on it are and whether they would fly on airlines insisting on vaccine certificate. One client said they will only fly on such an airline. #Facepalm

263599 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Sarigan, 8, #535 of 1913 🔗

Oh dear. Presumably said client will also want screening for TB, dyptheria, HIV, H1N1, Sars, Ebola, Bronchitis, Legionnaire’s, Impetigo, Whooping cough….!

263550 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to dhpaul, 13, #536 of 1913 🔗

The sense of entitlement that some corporations are currently displaying is astonishing. How inconvenient it must by for them to have customers, poor things. Let’s do them all a favour and not bother them with our troublesome custom.

263650 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #537 of 1913 🔗

They have a death wish obviously so let’s give it to them by boycotting them.

264171 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #538 of 1913 🔗

The people who make Quantas work should start rebelling. The higher ups won’t suffer as much they will if the company goes belly uup.

263595 ▶▶ steph, replying to dhpaul, 9, #539 of 1913 🔗

All we can do is resist as long as possible. The vaccine zeal may peter out for any number of reasons before then. At least you may be able to wait long enough to get a sensible view on which has proven to be safest. In an ideal world I’m having vaccines for things that are truly dangerous such as yellow fever and Hep C. I’ll trust my old and overweight body (thanks Lockdown) to fight off lesser bugs for as long as I can resist.

263730 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steph, 6, #540 of 1913 🔗

I am of the definite view the vaccine zeal will peter out sooner than people think. It’s a smokescreen. I don’t think there will be much take up for it really. Let’s see what happens in the NHS whether staff agree to take it or not. One thing I know for sure, Doctors, Nurses and other medical personnel will never take drugs they willy nilly prescribe to others most true in the psychiatric arena. Astra Zeneca has effectively been blown out of the water hasn’t it? That leaves the Pfizer one which is new and poorly tested and dangerous.

264180 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #541 of 1913 🔗

The vaccine is dangerous but the thought process that is promoting it is even more dangerous.

263647 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to dhpaul, 5, #542 of 1913 🔗

I think many people are in this situation. I am even worried if I am going to be able to get to the UK (from CH) to visit my 86-yr-old mother. (Three planned trips this year; all flights cancelled.)

Nevertheless, I think it is vital to resist these ‘freedom passes’. I would urge everyone to try to avoid flying/going to concerts/etc. under these conditions for as long as possible (though of course I understand the pressure). I would rather undergo a test (big money making exercise, so may remain an option) or even quarantine. (Not that I think these make any sense.)

Once Gates’ IDs are here, it will probably be impossible to get rid of them. And, for sure, they will be used for God-knows-what other purposes. Though of course, if it comes to that, we should never stop trying to remove them. And I assume there will be court cases, which hopefully can be won.

The idea is pure apartheid/fascism, as pointed out by CH parliamentary taskforce in April (‘…Health Passes have always played a role in Fascism and, for instance in context of eugenics, been used to mark out superior people.’)

n einem Policy Brief hat sich die wissenschaftlichen Taskforce des Bundes schon im April kritisch zu Immunitätsausweisen geäussert. Deren Verwendung sei durch das öffentliche Interesse nicht legitimiert, da sie eine Gefahr für die Gesellschaft seien. «Wenn Inhaber eines Passes Privilegien genössen, wären spezielle Massnahmen nötig, um die direkte oder indirekte Diskriminierung zu verhindern», heisst es im Papier. Immunitätszertifikate sollten wenn schon nicht in Form eines Passes verwendet werden. Die Autoren verweisen darauf, dass Gesundheitspässe im Faschismus immer wieder eine Rolle gespielt hätten und etwa im Umkreis der Eugenik aufgekommen seien, um überlegene Menschen auszuzeichnen.

https://www.20min.ch/story/erhalten-getestete-und-geimpfte-bald-privilegien-463462993993

263966 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #543 of 1913 🔗

I see that I was not very precise. What needs to be resisted at the vaccine/immunity (Gates) passports. I now note that the ‘Freedom Pass’ is merely a forerunner of this.

Now having read the comments on the Swiss article (in MSM free, wide-circulation paper), I am happy to report that comments are overwhelmingly negative toward vaccination as a condition for flying/living in general. However, Swiss officials cited on the article are worryingly unwilling to rule out the idea.

263533 Miss Owl, replying to Miss Owl, 24, #544 of 1913 🔗

None of these vaccines prevent anyone catching covid, nor prevent spreading it. At best, they just stop you from showing symptoms, thus creating something that is rare today: asymptomatic transmission.

Therefore there must always be some sort of lockdown imposed on us.

It’s a forever thing.

263617 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #545 of 1913 🔗

When I listen to the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, and the rest of them, it sounds like they know how a vaccine works.

263854 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #546 of 1913 🔗

That should read: “sounds like they don’t know how a vaccine works.”

263990 ▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #547 of 1913 🔗

Lol; I thought you’d meant it sarcastically!

264212 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #549 of 1913 🔗

Just checked the Weather Network. It’s -12 degrees Celsius in Montreal today. Health and Weather have now been combined as one.
Monday, November 23rd 2020, 12:19 pm – It looks like Canada’s cold winter weather could favour the survival of the COVID-19 virus. Reporter Rachel Schoutsen explains in her latest Health and Weather report, below.

REALLY? WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT!
THE VIRUS HANGS IN DRY AIR LONGER
WHAT ABOUT HUMID COLD AIR?
The way our droplets react to cold air plays a large role in how the virus thrives.
“In cold winter weather when you exhale — you know you can see your breath in the winter, you can actually see those droplets

They start to evaporate right away,” Furness explains. “In fact, what you notice with that breath that you can see is it doesn’t go down, it goes up. So the air is dry, the droplets evaporate, they get lighter, they stay in the air longer. So instead of falling quickly, they stay in the air.”

You can see the droplets. Really? Greta Thunberg claims that she can see Carbon Dioxide so I guess it’s true.

263545 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 14, #550 of 1913 🔗

They can put my region in Tier 1003 for all i care, have done pretty much my own thing since April, not many are taking much notice judging by the busy roads here in Darlo and with young but clued up staff members just saying its all about control now. The only inconvenience is they, these utter scum bag tories, have destroyed the pub and restaurant trade so i will forever socially distance myself from ever voting for them or the ghastly labour party at any future election – i suppose they will want us to post votes now seeing how successful it was in the States.

263565 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to nickbowes, 5, #551 of 1913 🔗

Yep, completely different to April/May. Took me 2 minutes to get out of Elm Ridge garden centre yesterday for all the traffic.

263570 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Biggles, 2, #552 of 1913 🔗

same journey for me Biggles !!

263549 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #553 of 1913 🔗

This isn’t ending anytime soon – Ireland to extend the Pandemic Unemployment Payment to March 2021.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/pup-will-be-extended-until-march-as-cabinet-plans-next-step-in-covid-fight-39783352.html

263555 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Ewan Duffy, 14, #554 of 1913 🔗

Strange that. I could have sworn somewhere else did the same thing just in the last month. Must be that darn incompetence again.

263568 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to jb12, 9, #555 of 1913 🔗

Convergent blundering.

263584 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #556 of 1913 🔗

The equivalent German measures are already extended into 2022.

263551 Tangelo, replying to Tangelo, 19, #557 of 1913 🔗

I’ve just dropped my 9 year old daughter at school and there was another father and daughter (about 7) going to another primary school. This guy’s face was completely covered like a bank robber, a black blob with a cap on, no eyes showing. Presumably they will let him pick her up this afternoon without checking he’s not a kidnapper FFS!

263573 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tangelo, 12, #558 of 1913 🔗

All this stupidity (picking up kids from school dressed like a bank robber) is not going to end well, for obvious reasons.

263645 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #559 of 1913 🔗

Exactly when the inevitable happens.

264218 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fingerache Philip., #560 of 1913 🔗

The Joy Suckers.

263580 ▶▶ steph, replying to Tangelo, 16, #561 of 1913 🔗

When masks were first mandated in shops and banks I had to carry out several high value transactions over two days. I am now exempt but back then I was conforming and thought that it’s just a few minutes. With a straight face the cashier compared my photo ID with the tiny part of my face she could see and then allowed me to move large sums of money.

263593 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steph, 7, #562 of 1913 🔗

They can legitimately ask you to remove your face nappy to prove identity but they probably either don’t know that or consider it too risky.

263621 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to arfurmo, 5, #563 of 1913 🔗

I would bet on the they don’t know option.

263738 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tangelo, 5, #564 of 1913 🔗

I’ve had the thought of satirising the mask thing by going into the shops with black scarf, hat and dark glasses, no part of face visible. But many people would probably fail to spot the satire and even think that I was doing the right thing by being really careful.

263892 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Edward, 1, #565 of 1913 🔗

Don’t forget a pair of wellies.

263556 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #566 of 1913 🔗

We have internet banking with Lloyds and just lately when you go into your account, up pops: “do you need coronavirus advice?”
For God’s sake Lloyds, I think if you can operate a online bank account, you know all about the hysterical overreaction about Covid.
I assume that other online bank accounts are the same?

263560 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #567 of 1913 🔗

Yes, mine does that too. I can go in there, or to HMRC’s equivalent page, and read about all the ways I won’t be eligible for their help.

263562 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #568 of 1913 🔗

Mine (Santander) says ‘Beware Coronavirus Fraud’

Yes quite

263572 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #569 of 1913 🔗

My entirely online bank has never mentioned it.

263720 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to karenovirus, #570 of 1913 🔗

Neither has mine.

263628 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #571 of 1913 🔗

Natwest’s a yes.

263575 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 30, #572 of 1913 🔗

Brief anecdote from local opticians; I went to collect my new specs-appointment only-prearranged.

Showed my lanyard; OK; then, the woman who served me had to don the plastic gear: plastic apron-useless; gloves and mask.

New specs perfect; very pleased; assistant safe behind perspex barrier and careful not to touch my potentially lethal hand, as I handed the new specs to her for a slight adjustment to be made.

Following my departure, she’ll have disposed of the plastic waste,and then embarked on the obligatory deep clean.

How much non-recyclable waste is all this nonsense creating? And what about all the additional cleaning materials?

I wonder what colourfully inappropriate metaphors Boris and co will employ to exempt this growing mountain from the many recycling mandates?

Finally, friend, a committed zealot,asked me whether I would have the vaccine; ‘no’ was my reply and she concurred; she doesn’t want it either.

Are cracks starting to appear in the lockdown wall?

263591 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to wendyk, 8, #573 of 1913 🔗

My elder granddaughter started to learn to drive with a recomended driving school who after LD1 reduced their number of lessons per day to 2 because they needed 2 hours to clean down and sanitize the car; it gets better; they said because of the aforementioned situation, all lessons would have to be 3 hours long to make up for their expenses and lost revenue; needless to say granddaughter sought elsewhere.

263653 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #574 of 1913 🔗

Bonkers! Hope she’s doing well with the new instructor though.

263689 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to wendyk, 1, #575 of 1913 🔗

Yes, she is, thank you.
No lessons since LD2 of course but she has passed her theory test.
Thank you your best wishes, Wendyk.

263773 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #576 of 1913 🔗

Good for her,and I trust she’ll do well when she resumes her lessons.

263817 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to wendyk, 1, #577 of 1913 🔗

I’m sure that she will.
Thank you once again, Wendyk, it is truly appreciated.
We all support, help and cheer up one another when occasionally we feel down.

263642 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 12, #578 of 1913 🔗

How much non-recyclable waste is all this nonsense creating? And what about all the additional cleaning materials?

Loads and the irony is there’s nowt a peep from the Green movement when they were making so much noise with single use plastics and coffee cups. And yet the PPEs and masks are more of a hazard than the single use plastics and coffee cups.

The cleaning materials are also a problem. I’ve always held that the excessive cleaning and sanitising is bad for our health and immune systems. Plus from a customer service point of view, it causes massive delays. The cloakroom where I work will be reopening but there will loads of cleaning that we will have to do that I won’t be surprised if visitors simply won’t bother to use the service.

263658 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #579 of 1913 🔗

Well said Bart and I know that dermatitis is increasing,as a result of the irritants in the gloves,masks and cleaning materials.

263743 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 1, #580 of 1913 🔗

Certainly we’ve refused the gloves and out of principle I don’t use the sanitisers unless I have to and especially I refuse to use the wipes.

I suspect the masks will become more of a problem when we reopen and my colleagues will have to wear them for 7-8 hours.

263712 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 7, #581 of 1913 🔗

Sorry to hear of your awful optician experience wendyk. I was treated similarly in Tesco yesterday. Grumpy bod behind the perspex, gloved-up, masked-up barely concealing her contempt for my maskless state.

On the vaccine, a lot of my (eminently sensible) octogenarian and nonagenarian customers have given a resounding thumbs-down to having the jab. I think the gov’t are expecting this demographic to be queuing in their droves for their (minimally tested) vaccine.

263783 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 5, #582 of 1913 🔗

More and more people here are wearing the wretched gags in the open air! Try as I might, allowing for my opposition, I cannot see the rationale; of course, there isn’t one!

Now I see hats pulled down-as we’re in the grip of heavy rain and gales-with masks below,so almost the entire face is covered and disguised:a really disturbing anonymity.

263587 Will, replying to Will, 14, #583 of 1913 🔗

I see we are in full on “repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth territory” with the unsage, corrupt advisors.

263594 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Will, 12, #584 of 1913 🔗

Agreed – SAGE don’t know their onions and we’re getting stuffed.

263598 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 8, #585 of 1913 🔗

This blog is supposedly for those who oppose lockdowns. Should it not, therefore, focus on articles such as this by Professor Tim Spector.

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/did-lockdown-2-0-work-heres-whats-going-on-with-covid-19-across-the-country

Tim writes

The good news is that our latest analysis for the whole of the UK shows that we are past the peak of new COVID-19 cases, which probably occurred before we went into Lockdown 2.0.

The bad news is that this positive trend masks significant regional differences.

Areas that were under relatively strict tier restrictions in October – including the North East and North West of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland – are all seeing a continued drop in the number of new COVID-19 cases after peaking in the second half of October.

By contrast, the number of new cases in the Midlands has risen steadily since the beginning of October and continued during lockdown. Rates are now higher here than in the North of England, although hopefully showing signs of levelling off

Note this is almost exactly what the ONS data indicates, i.e. Lockdown did nothing to change the trajectory of regional infection rates. Those areas which had declining cases continued to have declining cases while those areas with increasing cases continued to see cases increase.

This is the message that needs to be drummed into politicians.

263626 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 12, #586 of 1913 🔗

‘infection rates’

How often does it have to be said?

PCR does not tell you who is infected.

263726 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to calchas, #587 of 1913 🔗

Prof Spector’s survey is not based on PCR tests but on self-reporting of symptoms. There are obviously sources of error in that too, of course.

263836 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard Pinch, 4, #588 of 1913 🔗

Self-reporting of symptoms?

You’ve got to be joking.

Jesus wept – on that basis at least 80% of the population had had covid by April.

263886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to calchas, 1, #589 of 1913 🔗

Maybe they have?

263652 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 1, #590 of 1913 🔗

I think Spector was mentioned above the line a few days ago. He has certainly been discussed below the line.

Enthusiasm for him may be somewhat muted due to his apparent acceptance of the narrative that covid is a big thing about which something must be done.

But yes, it’s useful to have him saying things like this.

263608 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 11, #591 of 1913 🔗

A quick scout of newspaper reader comments today suggest:-
Telegraph- 80% anti lockdown
Mail – 70% anti lockdown
Guardian – 70% pro lockdown
Sun – 50/50.

Government polls suggest 70% pro lockdown.

263611 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to nickbowes, 2, #592 of 1913 🔗

Surprise that will be Carrie’s fave the guardian then?

263713 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #593 of 1913 🔗

I think we need to leave Carrie Symmonds out of all of this. Johnson is in the grip of madness with two psychopathic incompetent scientists at the helm and Wancock and Gove who are relishing all this power which they are exercising without any accountability or responsibility at all. She is Johnson’s partner and she has a right to discuss things with him. It’s down to him what he does and at the moment, its Wancock, Gove, Witless and Unbalanced who are driving the Johnson bus.

264296 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich -, #594 of 1913 🔗

Where is Boris sitting on this bus? In the back? The Prime Minister is a back of the bus bencher.

264945 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to richard riewer, #595 of 1913 🔗

Hancock belongs on the short bus

265017 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Dominich -, -1, #596 of 1913 🔗

I think we need to leave Carrie Symmonds out of all of this.

Even if she is his handler ?

263618 ▶▶ Ben, replying to nickbowes, 8, #597 of 1913 🔗

Gov’t polls are opinion influencing tools

In essence – let’s vote for repression

263646 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to nickbowes, 11, #598 of 1913 🔗

Guardian, 70% of 5 readers

263843 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #599 of 1913 🔗

And the BBC.

263667 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to nickbowes, 6, #600 of 1913 🔗

Imperial College have calculated it in the range of 0% to 17,000% in favour.

263679 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to nickbowes, 1, #601 of 1913 🔗

The guardian readers never let me down.

263703 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to JHuntz, #602 of 1913 🔗

All 5 of them as someone posted earlier then?

264298 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Alan P, #603 of 1913 🔗

If there are only five of them then it should be fairly easy to take them out and take over the narrative.

263706 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to nickbowes, 6, #604 of 1913 🔗

Can I j ust add something here. The Guardian has now become notorious at massive censorship of comments that don’t suit their narrative. The Guys at Offg show this every week. They are brilliant. So, I wouldn’t set too much store with the Guardian comments you can bet that the majority of anti-lockdown comments will have been censored.

263750 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #605 of 1913 🔗

They’ve been censoring comments they don’t like for years now. I always remember comments about Polly Toynbee’s background being deleted whenever she writes a column banging on about the backgrounds of the likes of Cameron and Osborne then.

263614 Ben, replying to Ben, 11, #606 of 1913 🔗

‘Freedom means not having a Freedom Pass’

https://twitter.com/zoeharcombe/status/1331168051769831426?s=20

263644 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 4, #607 of 1913 🔗

It’s not freedom it’s a form of slavery.

263619 Sceptic in Oxford, 18, #608 of 1913 🔗

Have yourself a jolly careful Christmas
Stay 6 feet apart
Or infection rates will rocket and go off the chart

Have yourself a jolly careful Christmas
Preferably, alone
Think of all the money you’ll save on your own

Just forget ‘bout the olden days
Happy golden days of yore
All those friends once were dear to you
Daren’t come near to you no more

Maybe next year, you may get together
That’s if SAGE agrees
But this year, it’s just you and your Christmas trees
So have yourself a jolly careful Christmas now

263620 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 56, #609 of 1913 🔗

From The Telegraph: “However, Christmas carols and hymns will remain on hold for now, with the Government expected to reach a final decision in the coming days as to whether they are safe to go ahead. Choirs will be permitted to sing but congregations will need to remain silent for now, Downing Street said.”

WTAF does he think he is? “Remain silent”? Utterly satanic.

263635 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RichardJames, 19, #610 of 1913 🔗

I gave up carol singing when I was about 9, me and Mum used to go round the village in a group knocking on doors and having a sing, I might do it again, just to stick a spanner in the works. Bastards.

263637 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to RichardJames, 7, #611 of 1913 🔗

Utter madness

263641 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RichardJames, 4, #612 of 1913 🔗

They can F. O. Our Christmas will be happy one, they can spend a miserable Christmas if they want.

263704 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RichardJames, 7, #613 of 1913 🔗

They really have lost the plot now haven’t they. Really lost it. Arrogance, stupidity and ignorance is going to bring them down. This is just power for power’s sake no more no less. You can’t stop a congregation singing.

263874 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Jo Dominich -, 6, #614 of 1913 🔗

I’m sure our congregation is going to sing! We sing every Sunday.

263735 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to RichardJames, 5, #615 of 1913 🔗

I still sing in church despite the vicar announcing before each service only 2 or 3 at the front as a “Choir” may sing.

263855 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RichardJames, 11, #616 of 1913 🔗

Utterly fucking ridiculous. Not least because the average congregation can’t raise enough breath to flicker a candle. But the whole thing is just piddling about with niceties by bureaucrats making themselves feel important. Never mind pot banging – you should be out singing carols on the doorstep. My recommendation for what to sing – “ You scumbag, you maggot, you cheap lazy faggot, Merry Christmas your arse – thank God it’s our last.” Obviously.

265014 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #617 of 1913 🔗

🙂

(lousy faggot ?)

264024 ▶▶ annie, replying to RichardJames, 9, #618 of 1913 🔗

The Coward Church will, of course, comply, as it continues to worship the Covid devil.
The craven bedwetting bishop of St David’s will not even allow choirs to sing.
I am my own open-air choir and congregation and i shall sing as loudly as i possibly can.

264065 ▶▶ annie, replying to RichardJames, 7, #619 of 1913 🔗

I have this mental picture of congregations everywhere ripping off their muzzles and roaring out ‘Hark the Herald’.
Won’t happen, because there are no real Christians left in the churches, only cowardly little worms.

264222 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #620 of 1913 🔗

Come all ye faithful!

264300 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RichardJames, 1, #621 of 1913 🔗

What a joke!

263627 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 21, #622 of 1913 🔗

Don’t know if this has already been posted, if so it deserves to be again.

Tradewinds Travel
@UKTwinds
We have made a company decision today to not sell any
@Qantas
flights, even on a code share, following their announcement of no vaccination, no flight. There are far superior airlines with flights to #Australia

263636 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jonny S., 2, #623 of 1913 🔗

Quanta was the best airline we ever used. Its a pity they have taken this route.

263656 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #624 of 1913 🔗

They’ll change their mind once it loses them business, all businesses will once they realise they’re getting less customers. That’s my 1 hope anyway. I will make it clear to any shop etc. I go to that I will never ever shop there if they try to implement something similar.

263666 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Bella Donna, #625 of 1913 🔗

Used to be good, but flew with them in 2011 and it was a dreadful experience. Proper meals ran out and they filled in by supplying mini pizzas, so much so I joked that there was a Domino’sPizza 737 flying alongside the A380 over Penang. Plane looked like a skip when landing at Singapore.

263701 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jonny S., 3, #626 of 1913 🔗

Now that’s what I call not only courage but ethical decision making at its best. Bravo Tradewinds Travel.

263709 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Jonny S., 2, #627 of 1913 🔗

Excellent! I was hoping there would be fightback. There can be sites promoting businesses that do similar.

263630 Bella Donna, 6, #628 of 1913 🔗

A must watch. The Anti Lockdowners are the new Abolitionists!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

263631 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 12, #629 of 1913 🔗

Give me back my broken night
My mirrored room, my secret life
It’s lonely here
There’s no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
Over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby
That’s an order!
Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that’s left
And stuff it up the hole
In your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
I’ve seen the future, brother:
It is murder…

Leonard Cohen – The Future

264311 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Smith, #630 of 1913 🔗

I don’t see those lyrics on the commemorative Leonard Cohen stamp here in Canada. Nor on the posters pasted here and there along Saint Lawrence Boulevard. I copied and pasted it and. Then I will make photocopies and paste them alongside the posters.

264333 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #631 of 1913 🔗

I met Leonard Cohen once in 1973. Sort of. My Quebecoise girlfriend, Francine, was a good friend of Leonard’s wife/girlfriend at the time. I saw Leonard walk downstairs from his two storey loft, wave hello and disappear somewhere. I also used to see him hanging out at a bistro café, Le Bal Saint Louis, on Prince Arthur Street in the 70s and early 80s.

263634 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 15, #632 of 1913 🔗

Good news guys. Elon Musk is now wealthier than Bill Gates. Clearly this is because pro-freedom, anti-lockdown is the dominant strategy!

263662 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #633 of 1913 🔗

Yes, for the moment, but Bill’s next big payday is just round the corner 💉
💰

263668 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 16, #634 of 1913 🔗

Musk is a very strange man, and an arch technocrat, but has consistently and very publicly hammered lockdown, testing, the vaccine and Dr. Gates.

My enemy’s enemy is my friend.

264336 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #635 of 1913 🔗

Yeah? Don’t give him any ideas.

263640 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 10, #636 of 1913 🔗

Has Trump ‘effectively conceded’?

The question that needs to be answered before Trump supporters will ever accept the published result is this:
Given that Trump’s vote held up, where did Biden get all those extra votes?

For the result to be kosher, it is necessary to believe that Biden attracted enough first-time voters to overbalance what would on a normal turnout have been a winning total for Trump. A huge number of people who could not be bothered to turn out for Obama, never mind the Clintons, but have now turned out for Biden. As the best that can be said of Biden is that he is sometimes coherent, that looks weird.

There is an explanandum here. Maybe a perfectly good explanation is possible. But right now the entire commentariat refuses to accept that there is an explanandum – and on that basis more then 70 million Americans will never believe in this result as genuine.

263648 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 8, #637 of 1913 🔗

We may never know how genuine the result is, but although the figures may look a bit fishy, I think it’s plausible that Trump is a polarising figure and people were desperate to get rid of him. While I can see why people don’t like him much, it baffles me why anyone would prefer Biden and the Dems with their toxic identity politics.

263661 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 2, #638 of 1913 🔗

But first time and occasional voters? Trump hatred is, I would have thought, restricted to the demographics that always vote anyway.

263687 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 1, #639 of 1913 🔗

Possibly. Maybe last time they didn’t think he’d win so stayed at home.

263753 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Julian, 4, #640 of 1913 🔗

Trump’s vote went UP by 4 million at least.

263672 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ovis, 9, #641 of 1913 🔗

He hasn’t conceded at all. He simply released the pressure on the GSA lady to start talking to Biden’s people. There are still cases to go to the Supreme Court and like you say something isn’t sitting right with the whole thing.

263749 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Ovis, 1, #642 of 1913 🔗

No

263651 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 9, #643 of 1913 🔗

I naively thought Fibber Johnson was going to cut us some slack over Christmas – how wrong one can be. So now the government’s diktats have about us much moral force as the provisional regime of an occupying army.

Something we can learn from the young: if enough people turn up, there are not enough police to deal with it. If the police turn up to supervise Christmas in my street, I will get out there and hoot my appreciation. Remember your iPhone is a surveillance tool. Wrapping it in aluminium foil seems to work.

263670 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Bugle, 4, #644 of 1913 🔗

You could turn your Iphone off, or get an old Nokia 3310 (yes they still exist and work on the 2g network) or live in a cave or a tunnel or escape to a remote island, the possibilities are endless.

Me I am taking no notice at all and carrying on my life.

263860 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to cloud6, #645 of 1913 🔗

Good for you.

263948 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to cloud6, 1, #646 of 1913 🔗

I use my Android for communicating here and for work but otherwise switch it off and use my old Nokia for my private(ish) life.

263943 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bugle, 1, #647 of 1913 🔗

If the police can’t control 500 kids at an impromptu rave in a London park what hope do they have of containing real civil unrest ?

264022 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, #648 of 1913 🔗

Or even real normal life?

264091 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Bugle, 1, #649 of 1913 🔗

Bin the iphone. Try an older android rom with a custom rom and learn to control your phone. Or something like: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 perhaps. Spend your money with a company that values freedom rather then one that wishes to control every aspect of your device like Apple.

264188 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #650 of 1913 🔗

I don’t have an iPhone, but my wife does. I have been stunned on occasion to see targeted advertising for things we’ve mentioned or she’s browsed. Also I find it sinister to be walking along, say, a beach and be asked how we’re enjoying our ‘experience’ of it. iPhones are susceptible to hacking, tracking and eavesdropping (especially if you become a person of interest). Some can be tracked even if switched off. I also note there is a market in Faraday cages and bags – wonder why?

So my broad point was, if you’re planning to take the government’s rules slightly less than seriously, leave your phone at home or wrap it in foil, or use a Nokia, as I do. Thanks for your advice – you’re obviously an expert, whereas I am merely paranoid.

263655 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #651 of 1913 🔗

I’m trying to find a table which has been posted which shows mortality rate against ages and with or without underlying conditions
e.g Age 70-80 without 1% with 5%
age 60-70 without .8% with 2%

I’m sure it was on a few days ago but have failed in my searches. I’d be grateful if someone could repost and tell me how to search for it.

263691 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, #653 of 1913 🔗

While I’m here; here are 2 charts showing deaths by age in English hospitals. Chart on the left is raw numbers; on the right, by percentage of total.

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-23-November-2020.xlsx

I notice that the percentage of 80+ deaths is increasing, as would be expected as we approach winter flu season.

263870 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Ceriain, #654 of 1913 🔗

Any clues as to why the weekly deaths figure is 18.4% above the five year average in the figures out today?

Deaths have been 10% or so above the five year average for a few weeks now but the age distribution seems completely normal?

I would be very interested in any explanation for this.

264008 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ceriain, 1, #655 of 1913 🔗

Thanks -had to go out -sorry for delay in reply

263660 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 21, #656 of 1913 🔗

At some later date i wonder, will this dangerous and deceitful Government turn our armed services against its own people…in the name of adhering to the rules.

Will the average squaddie take orders to aim at his family and friends.

Which will be the first European nation to turn on its own peoples with military aggression in the name of controlling the “virus”, Germany possibly.

Remember the image of the helpful police bobby of only a few years ago ? they now resemble Robocop without the charm.

Boris, has recently found £20 billion or so for “national defence”, i doubt this is for anything other than to be used against the home population.

263671 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 10, #657 of 1913 🔗

will this dangerous and deceitful Government turn our armed services against its own people

Yes.

Will the average squaddie take orders to aim at his family and friends

For their and our sake I hope not.

263725 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Richard O, 9, #658 of 1913 🔗

That’s not how it will work. British soldiers will be sent to Germany “as part of NATO or BAOR” to take orders to aim at Germans (or, as it will be put in the MSM) “The baby-killing Hun”. German troops will come to the UK as part of NATO forces due to “undemocratic Extreme Right-wing forces agitating unrest”.

And they will take aim, perfectly happily, at UK citizens.

263732 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to RichardJames, 7, #659 of 1913 🔗

Also, i don`t know how accurate this is – many reports on the web re recent Trafalgar Sq protests have complained of police that could hardly speak /understand English.

263746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to nickbowes, 3, #660 of 1913 🔗

See dinghy’s coming into Dover…

263802 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to nickbowes, 6, #661 of 1913 🔗

And that was only the English ones. Sorry, couldn’t resist it. Seriously, Awkward Git’s FOI request should be interesting.

263930 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nickbowes, 3, #662 of 1913 🔗

The same reports that tell of the rallies being policed initially by traditional bobbys who are then withdrawn and replaced by baton and taser wielding thugs who wear no semblance of a police uniform.

263924 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichardJames, #663 of 1913 🔗

Oh dear, that brings to mind the scene in
28 Weeks Later when friendly US troops massacre the UK survivors in the London green zone.

263673 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to nickbowes, 8, #664 of 1913 🔗

Germany appear to be putting up a great defence. They have had enough tyranny imposed on them to have the sense to reject it.

263784 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JHuntz, 1, #665 of 1913 🔗

I hope so. Extension of lockdown and more face covering wearing in the street and in workplaces will be decided on Wednesday. They propose to keep shops closed until 20th December. Crazy!!

263680 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to nickbowes, 7, #666 of 1913 🔗

Will the average squaddie take orders to aim at his family and freinds”

Not a hope in hell. The politicians are too stupid to realise this though.

263682 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to G.Fawkes, 8, #667 of 1913 🔗

I hope you’re right. I would take my chance with the military over the police any day.

263683 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Jo, 7, #668 of 1913 🔗

My father served for over 3 decades. I know I’m right.

263723 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #669 of 1913 🔗

I Hope you are right – but with enough propaganda it might be conceivable

263681 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to nickbowes, 5, #670 of 1913 🔗

Probably, except they will call it “Positive Social Enforcement” or something like that.

263688 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to nickbowes, 2, #671 of 1913 🔗

Like everything this Government does it is poorly thought out, in fact, that’s being polite really, it isn’t thought out at all it’s just ‘oh, this looks like a good idea, lets throw money at it’. So, everything they touch turns to dust very quickly because there’s no substance to it.

I think the money for ‘defence’ is actually very much hubris on Johnson’s part. We are about to exit the EU with No Deal which, as Andrew Bailey, CEO Bank of England said, will have a far more catastrophic effect on our economy than this virus. Trump is not back in office as President and Biden is more interested in doing a Trade Deal with the EU (logically as it is the largest Trading Bloc in the world). Johnson had all his hopes pinned on the what would have been a one-sided Trade Deal with the USA which has now gone pear shaped which is just as well for us the British nation. The Defence spending is more to do with the delusion that we are a world super power and we can invade countries we wish to, it’s almost a step back to the Commonwealth era. I think Johnson is so off the wall that he truly believes we are a super power. His comments about Britain’s Navy being the topmost pride of the Nation in the international arena are Billy Bunter type fantasies. I should think we are a laughing stock to many countries around the world with statements such as these.

The reality of course, is very different. We are nothing on the world stage. We have just walked away from the largest Trading Bloc in the world so have no influence anywhere in it. In the meantime, our Government continues to insult Russia, China and other countries taking actions which are laughable. Sorry Johnson, we are alone now. Increasing the defence budget isn’t going to do anything to the UK’s current standing in the world. For what it’s worth, I don’t think he will deploy the Armed Forces against the British Public for a number of reasons I won’t list here.

263719 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #672 of 1913 🔗

Thanks for the answers, just putting things out there, this type of sh** keeps me awake at night. Surely, this is all linked to the so called “decade of health” (death), Trump, Brexit, populism generally.

Whilst many would disagree surely Brexit and even Trump were the last calls for national identity and independence, if you will. The real powers that be were determined to reverse 2016 and needed something like the “virus” to put things right…

The Biden “transition” team are full of people that do not value liberty or freedom it seems and Boris is taking orders from these muppets. In all likelihood, Brexit will be reversed, economic destruction and the culling of the typical “Brexit voting demographic” (thanks Hancock) makes the whole case seem inevitable now.

263813 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #673 of 1913 🔗

So is it your opinion that Brexit won’t happen?

264001 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bugle, 2, #674 of 1913 🔗

On the contrary, we are heading for a No Deal Brexit that’s been the case all along. Johnson has never wanted a Deal and he’s been open about that. His plans have been somewhat scuppered by Trump losing the election. If we get any sort of deal it’ will be because Johnson might have just realised with the UK economy in essence now in a serious Depression set to get worse, that a deal with the EU, however light, is better than none. The whole thing is a fiasco once again, no risk assessments about food shortages, medical shortages, WTO tariffs etc. This Government lack any sort of ability to think at all, they just blindly crash around regardless of consequences the only interests being protection of their own. The EU (whether you are remain or leave) have spent the past four years making the necessary changes to their Customs and other organisations to accommodate a No Deal so they are prepared for it. Us? Hell, we haven’t even got a system at Dover or the Eurotunnel yet. Once again, the Government just lurches around creating devastation wherever it delves into without so much as even a glimpse of a consideration of proper planning, consultation, negotiation etc. We are being tossed around in an economic maelstrom by a Psychpathic buffoon who is a pathological liar who is not built in any capacity to assume any responsibility whatsoever, two senior Scientist who power mad and too are pathological liars, a Secretary of State of Health who wouldn’t look out of place in the Gestapo and who is relishing the power and Gove, well I need say no more. Between them they have no capacity to think at all let alone in the medium or short term. That will be, very soon, their undoing.

264014 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jo Dominich -, #675 of 1913 🔗

Loud and clear. Thank you.

263718 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to nickbowes, 11, #676 of 1913 🔗

My gut feel having European friends is that Germany would be unlikely to use troops on its citizens but my favourites for the countries most likely to use military force on civilians are France (where they are having a more savage lockdown than us) and Spain (particularly on national minorities like the Catalans)

The saddest thing is we are even thinking that this is possible in a so called democracy

263727 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Aslangeo, 6, #677 of 1913 🔗

Spain, I think, is the most likely. Look what the police did (as you say) in the illegal/unconstitutional Catalan referendum. I can’t believe how that kind of police brutality could be tolerated.

263809 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #678 of 1913 🔗

I agree. There is a very nasty streak of authoritarianism in certain European countries, and you can see it in the behaviour of their paramilitary police forces.

264496 ▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to RichardJames, 1, #679 of 1913 🔗

very important point about having paramilitary police forces such as the gendarmerie or Guardia Civil – these thugs in uniform are not local and do not live in the communities they control unlike the local municipal police

because they have no local connections and take orders from the central government they are far more likely to use brutality

There is a nasty streak of authoritarianism in mainland Europe

263827 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to nickbowes, 5, #680 of 1913 🔗

They already have turned the armed forces against the people. They just have not been using traditional weapons so far.

264570 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to nickbowes, 1, #681 of 1913 🔗

I don’t think your average squaddie will want history to record them as having been an active participant in Peterloo 2.0. So I don’t think we need worry about them. Plod, on the other hand, has in recent months demonstrated they’re no longer here to protect and serve the public but to oppress them. I only hope when the spiritual successors to the Nuremberg Trials are conducted that they’re televised. I’ll make you I have plenty of beer and popcorn in for that.

263674 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, -1, #682 of 1913 🔗

As a-few comments mention Trump, I’ll add a thought. The west is in decline and there is thought that the Chinese Yuan will become the worlds favoured currency. Isn’t it better to have the likes of Biden preside over the decline of the dollar and status of the USA than Trump.

263685 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #683 of 1913 🔗

Why?

263717 ▶▶ Bigland, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #684 of 1913 🔗

Better for whom?

263849 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #685 of 1913 🔗

50 years ago many waited in terror for the inevitable day that USSR came charging across the Hanoverian plain in their tanks to be followed 4 days later by battlefield nuclear weapons.

264987 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #686 of 1913 🔗

After 4 days, they’d have reached the Atlantic. Wasn’t it a shorter time period ?

263676 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 6, #687 of 1913 🔗

They won’t openly admit it but you can infer it pretty well from studying the data – ONS upwards creep in so called positive cases is underpinned by enrolling thousands of students into their testing activities from September onwards. There were 220,884 new ‘Enrolment Swabs’ from 1 Sept to 14 Nov and only 40,437 from 1 May to 14 July. People joining the program have been driving up the numbers. Not sure how important that is but I do wish students had not been so keen to get themselves tested.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datasets/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveydata

263686 ▶▶ mjr, replying to theanalyst, 7, #688 of 1913 🔗

and as mentioned previously, requests via local councils for healthy people with minor symptoms to get themselves test for preventative purposes is also a government attempt to get more people tested and bulk up the “positive” test numbers

263697 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mjr, 4, #689 of 1913 🔗

And grab their DNA for the big database.

263708 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to theanalyst, 3, #690 of 1913 🔗

I imagine that many didn’t believe they had a choice, whether they did or not in reality.

263715 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to theanalyst, 2, #691 of 1913 🔗

ONS try to get a representative selection of the population, so the student age-group should be appropriately weighted.

263678 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #692 of 1913 🔗

This is a plot of the Notification Of Infectious Diseases Statistics for Covid 19. It starts the week ending 15th March to the week ending 15th November.
Note that the vertical scale maximum is 1400, but this is for the whole of England and Wales

263692 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to p02099003, 3, #693 of 1913 🔗

Someone asked the question yesterday why the numbers are so low compared to how many “cases” are announced each day. It is a good question, as the numbers on the NOID reports are miniscule in comparison so why is that?

263758 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Anothersceptic2, #694 of 1913 🔗
264362 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Anothersceptic2, #695 of 1913 🔗

I posted this comment on our local paper’s website ( https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/top-10-coronavirus-hotspots-leicestershire-4731395 )

Please define what you mean by a case.

Is it
a) Positive Test results?
b) Medical cases?
c) Hospitalisations?
If it is b) then they would have to appear in the latest NOIDS figures, as a medical practitioner is required by law to notify the authorities of every case of CoViD19, which for last week was 87 for the whole of England and Wales.

This is the response I got:

If you have symptoms and test positive, you go through 111 before speaking to your gp. These are reported as positive tests, even though you may have significant symptoms, and not reported through the gp system, in order to reduce gp workloads.

Most people who contact their gp with symptoms are advised to take a test, rather than come to the practice, so these are all reported as positive tests rather than medicalisation.
I’m currently in this boat. I’ve been ill for weeks and am being treated by my GP, but my case is reported as just a positive test rather than medicalisation.
So the figures you are asking for/looking at are not showing what you may think they do.

There is something seriously wrong, GPs should report all cases that they have dealings with and should be medical cases.

263690 calchas, replying to calchas, 16, #696 of 1913 🔗

The UK government is now saying that 5 days of family time at Christmas will have to be paid for with 25 days of lockdown afterwards.

This fits right into the Biderman table under ‘occasional indulgences’.

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263705 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 3, #697 of 1913 🔗

Sick. They said at the start of this that Covid represents ‘A narrow window of opportunity’

263917 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #698 of 1913 🔗

Yep I was gonna say that, in fact this needs to be said every day. The windows is closing fast for these bastards, hence the haste and the brutality.

263792 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to calchas, 1, #699 of 1913 🔗

That’s a really informative post. Thank you.

263902 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to calchas, #700 of 1913 🔗

Shame this mentions 5G, I’d share it otherwise.

263922 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #701 of 1913 🔗

5G is mentioned in connection with total surveillance – the mention is therefore completely legitimate.

Do you not think that 5G will be used for surveillance?

264004 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to calchas, #702 of 1913 🔗

5G is mentioned. People will therefore dismiss it out of hand if I share it – guilt by association.

Do you not think that people have a propensity to assume any mention of 5G is associated with conspiracy theories?

264056 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #703 of 1913 🔗

“People”. You mean the people who believe HMG’s propaganda, who accept the data and believe we are following “the science”? Oh those people – well we’d better not alienate them!

264515 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Bugle, #704 of 1913 🔗

i.e. the people I would be sharing it with, yes.

263913 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, 3, #705 of 1913 🔗

Last box on left. Harsh enforcement of
‘Illogical and contradictory rules that get changed’.

Plus divide and rule, woman on R2 just now complaining about the Isle of White being taken into a higher tier because of the proximity of Portsmouth.

264445 ▶▶ gina, replying to calchas, #706 of 1913 🔗

Thanks for posting this. Very helpful.

263693 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 28, #707 of 1913 🔗

In case you have not seen it already
– Hands – Face – Embrace
what makes us human

263797 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #708 of 1913 🔗

Do you know where that image first came from. I would love to carry it around with me as a shopping bag, or even have some A5 images with me that I could show people.

264499 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Sara, #709 of 1913 🔗

I saw it on twitter – can’t remember who posted it – It might have been Julia HB’s twitter feed ?? or Ivor Cummings ?? or Neil Oliver’s ??

263694 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #710 of 1913 🔗

I should say that up to 50% of people are ignoring ( up to a point) LD2 anyway and I honestly believe that any “restrictions” bought in and after Christmas will be ignored even more so.

263716 ▶▶ Lisa Wakeman, replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #711 of 1913 🔗

I hope so! I bought a large turkey in the supermarket yesterday and the cashier actually said to me “Oh I hope to you’re not planning a big Christmas dinner!”
I consider myself to be a very polite person but I was so angry I actually said “What the hell as it got to do with you?” 🙂

263780 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 8, #712 of 1913 🔗

But Lisa – a cashier!

you can’t speak to one of our frontline heroes like that.

Big Christmas Dinners cost lives.

263808 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lisa Wakeman, 2, #713 of 1913 🔗

Actually YES, WE CAN “MOCK THE AFFLICTED”

263972 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Lisa Wakeman, #714 of 1913 🔗

When you mentioned purchase of a large turkey I thought you were talking about Wancock on a plate.

263790 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #715 of 1913 🔗

Unfortunately I cannot ignore the rules around pubs.

263804 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Will, 1, #716 of 1913 🔗

Fair point.
Take heart, WE WILL WIN!

263847 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #717 of 1913 🔗

It is going to be too late for the pubs, I fear, especially the decent pubs that aren’t restaurants.

263883 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Will, 1, #718 of 1913 🔗

If we restore liberty we can restore pubs. Liberty creates prosperity and if people want pubs liberty will create pubs. If we cannot restore liberty then everything worth living for will be gone anyway.

263714 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 31, #719 of 1913 🔗

There is absolutely no justification for any further lockdowns/ restrictions. The government may be applying pseudo science, however they and we know this is effectively over.

All the tier systems are clearly an assault on the hospitality industry. Our government is at war with private business owners. We are killing private enterprise which leads to an increased market share for corporations and increased power for the state.

This is an utter disgrace which impoverishes everyone. We will have higher taxes for poorer services. Mass unemployment and increased job uncertainty. A shrinking economy. Poorer pension returns. No one will be left untouched by this.

The system has completely failed us.

263722 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JHuntz, 6, #720 of 1913 🔗

According to some ‘conspiracy theorists’ the destruction of the economy, which is being replicated around the world, is deliberately contrived to make way for the Great Reset (World Economic Forum)

263733 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Ben, 4, #721 of 1913 🔗

Indeed it is.

263741 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Eddy, -9, #722 of 1913 🔗

No, I disagree. The Great Reset is creepy Claus’ big idea and he is using the chaos to push his agenda.

But NO. This whole this has very definitely not been deliberately contrived to make way for Schwab’s crazy schemes.

But, as ever Andrew (and those who agree with you) if you have genuine proof then please provide it. (And by that I mean written documents stating this.)

Because, unless you have definitive proof then you are speculating at best.

263771 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 9, #723 of 1913 🔗

Proof of what? Governments partnering and collaborating with the WEF?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution

263776 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to leggy, 10, #724 of 1913 🔗

Our future King is very much “on board” as well.

263789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 12, #725 of 1913 🔗

I know you are a long term incompetence theorist but the evidence is all there for you to see.Whether it was a conspiracy from the beginning doesn’t matter.Governments across the world are conspiring against their citizens by prolonging this agony for nefarious aims.

263840 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to John P, 7, #726 of 1913 🔗

Proof? where have you been?

263852 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to John P, 9, #727 of 1913 🔗

Definitive proof will not be forthcoming for decades so we have to proceed by speculation. You don’t believe it? Your choice. Why does it bother you so much if others do? In this matter you are agreement with what were obviously government trolls on other sites. Every time a contributor got near to a supposed conspiracy theory, they were all over him/her like a rash. Why? Because if the public ever realised what was being done to them, they would have rebelled.

263896 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 4, #728 of 1913 🔗

There’s no proof, but question the banners ‘The Great Reset’ and ‘Build Back Better’ (better for who?) then remember Klaus Schwab commenting that Covid-19 was a great ‘window of opportunity’, and more crucially that controlled demolitions of the economy are happening all over the world, and it seems orchestrated. I hope I’m wrong

263912 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 8, #729 of 1913 🔗

here we go again lol, John P….really
Maaaaate!
The World Economic Forum have been writing about what they are going to do for ages, not just them, The Club of Rome, the Bilderbergers, Big Banks, The UN.
The great reset, the 17 sustainable development goals, MP’s saying for years that they support carbon neutral by 2030.

Conspiracy Theorists have been talking about this fake pandemic for years too. How did they know? It was obvious but still everybody just kept on dismissing it as crazy conspiracy theorists.
They still do. THAT’S WHY WE ARE IN THIS SHIT SHOW.

Yer its just a cock up John P. Don’t worry, it’s not a “conspiracy” we are all insane, just as you suspected all along.
There there.

263967 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Two-Six, -6, #730 of 1913 🔗

For what it’s worth I agree with John P. It’s bunkum. It’s an idea being pushed around as a reason for all of this madness it’s a sort of smokescreen if you will. But look at it logically, it’s, as the Australian’s said on TV, crackpot rubbish (or something like that). No, this has nothing to do with the Great Reset at all. This is about Totalitarianism. Orban’s doing it in Hungary as is his counterpart in Poland. That is why the EU are applying financial sanctions to them because they have both brought the Judiciary under Government control as they have done with the Press and other institutions. Orban is a great buddy of Johnson. Sometimes it’s too easy to latch onto an idea but the Great Reset has no mileage, it’s blue sky thinking. It will petre out sooner rather than later.

264481 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 2, #731 of 1913 🔗

Do you really believe that Governments tell the populace about everything that is happening behind the scenes?

263740 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Ben, 8, #732 of 1913 🔗

look closely at the WEF official slogan, see if you notice any numbers

Crikey just look at that living reptile Klaus

263745 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to nickbowes, 2, #733 of 1913 🔗

I agree that Schwab is creepy.

263754 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to nickbowes, #734 of 1913 🔗

Hanlon’s razor :

“never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”

264404 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to nickbowes, #735 of 1913 🔗

There are a few people who actually do possibly resemble David Icke’s lizards-in-human-form.

Allegedly!

263995 ▶▶▶ David Farrer, replying to Ben, 3, #736 of 1913 🔗

It’s not a “conspiracy” when it’s be so clearly promoted by the world’s governments.

263724 Ben, 5, #737 of 1913 🔗
263728 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 22, #738 of 1913 🔗

I’ve made it my mission to expose Irish pharma shill and media celebrity, Prof Luke O’Neill on a regular basis. Why am I doing this? – because he is a danger to society and needs to be stopped. “Bollocks book” O’Neill is a fun guy (or fungi??) – he wants everyone to have a joyous and safe Christmas so he has come up with 5 “Rules” for the big day (emphasis mine):

1. Only hug while wearing masks and outdoors – he said while a ban on children hugging their grandparents is too “extreme”, if family members wish to hug they should do so briefly, while wearing masks and outdoors , “that’s a low-risk activity,” he said.
2. Bring your own cutlery – he said everyone should “ bring their own dinner ware ” to minimise the risk of cross contamination and advised that only one person be tasked with serving up dinner in the kitchen.
3. Ventilation is key – “ Put the heating on and stick Grandad by the window with a good breeze blowing through ,” said Luke, adding that a well ventilated room is key. “We can’t be having 10 hours in a stuffy room together, playing family games. That’s not going to work.”
4. Keep it brief – Families should be keeping their visits as brief as possible and wear masks when not eating or drinking , admitting that while it “sounds draconian” mask wearing is “key to picking up a low dose which will lead to better outcomes.”. “It won’t be like any other Christmas ever,” -. “It’s going to be tough, let’s face it,” he said.
5. Absolutely do not have sleepovers – Sleepovers are out of the question this year and are one of the most risky activities families could take part in, Luke warns.

I haven’t made this up :
https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-news/immunologist-luke-oneill-shares-5-23059490

Elsewhere he said he would be first in line to take a COVID vaccine – good – let’s see what the side effects will be when it’s used on insane maniacs.

263763 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 9, #739 of 1913 🔗

Bring your own cutlery – he said everyone should “ bring their own dinner ware ” to minimise the risk of cross contamination…

My mouth just fell open reading that bit. This guy’s a lunatic!

263950 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 2, #740 of 1913 🔗

Doe these people not have spouses, grown children relatives who can hold a mirror up to them to show them how idiotic they are. I’m of the view that someone that spouts this much bullshit (ala Pantsdown) is in the highest category of shill that will more than likely not obey any of what he says and do the exact opposite at Christmas and throughout lockdown. I doubt very much he’ll apply any of it to himself. You see, for the politicians all around, it’s not a virus now, it’s a nice psy-ops of a game to play on the public. However, time is not their friend and it is not on their side.

264010 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #741 of 1913 🔗

What does Grandad think about being stuck over in the corner by the open window blowing a Force 10 gale and lashing rain through? Will it do him much good?

I still think the recommendations that we had for British bbqs this summer wins the prize. Bring your own cutlery of course, a one way system around the garden, sit side by side 2m apart, dig a hole behind the rose bushes if you need a wee because using someone else’s toilet will kill you…

264027 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #742 of 1913 🔗

We are granny killers – these nutters finish off poor old grandad.

263816 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to godowneasy, 3, #743 of 1913 🔗

He seems very keen on masks. I wonder if his bedroom activities involve masks.
Appropriately, perhaps, I’d be tempted to ask him if he’d use a mask as a condom ( the human sperm is an order of magnitude bigger than coronavirus).

263844 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #744 of 1913 🔗

Good point – but sadly he’s already replicated.

263894 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, #745 of 1913 🔗

This guy must be a designated and supported leader or influencer for the cult.

The force is strong with this one.

264099 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to godowneasy, #746 of 1913 🔗

Irish, is that a good enough excuse?

263729 Tom in Scotland, replying to Tom in Scotland, 45, #747 of 1913 🔗

Scotland is a mess. I’ve been reading for months but am new to contributing. I posted a version of this about Scottish government authoritarianism a few days ago, but it was late in the evening and probably missed:

I’m a Politics lecturer at a university (that shall not be named) here and have studied the SNP for some time. The best hope for change is for a split in the party, but it has iron discipline. Even the ‘incident’ with Alex Salmond, which is being investigated by the Scottish Parliament and not receiving full cooperation from the Scottish Government (a scandal in itself), is not making a dent in the party’s support. As others have said here, if the party’s abysmal 13-year track record in power doesn’t reduce your support, it’s unlikely that anything will. Devolution allows the SNP to take credit for what works and put the blame on the UK (basically England) for all of Scotland’s problems. It’s hopeless and points to some failings in the structure of devolution, though I’m not sure that a perfect institutional design (if it existed) would work in our circumstances and suspect that the Union is finished.

The Rona episode has given ‘Dear Leader’ Sturgeon a platform that she has taken full advantage of. Even though she has done very little that has differed from the rest of the UK, and outcomes have been very similar, most Scots seem to think she has done ‘very well’ and much better than Boris Johnson. I despair, but most common sense and rational thinking went out the window here (and nearly everywhere else in the world) back in March – though the SNP was doing well before this despite its poor domestic policy record (education in particular) and support for independence is being sustained, for many months, at record levels.

Sturgeon, a highly skilled demagogue, has a weird Svengali effect on most people here. I have seen face masks saying ‘Thank you, Nicola’ in a shop window. She could be filmed torturing kittens and it would not have any impact on her popularity. Part of the explanation for her and her party’s popularity is simply that they are not Boris or the UK government. It also helps that the opposition here is divided and Unionists are seen by many (though not all) as not truly Scottish, and the Conservatives here were largely opposed to devolution itself for some time. Labour made a terrible mistake by joining Better Together (the No side) with the Conservatives during the independence referendum campaign and will probably never recover. A lot of people here seem to be quite tribal – strong Scottish identity, as well as (sometimes) other identities, such as with religious groups. The sectarian problem here is a lot worse than the government would like you to think (Scotland is not the cosmopolitan, outward-looking place the SNP wants to portray it as), though it’s hard to conceal the problem when they fought so hard to keep the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act, the first act ever repealed here. The tribalism and demagoguery go hand-in-hand and it worries me, as someone who is not Scottish.

That leads me to authoritarianism, which I think is somewhat worse than in England, though perhaps not all that much. Scotland does have this reputation, and there is some truth to it, particularly in the past, in areas like gay rights and prisoners’ rights. I’ve lived in both nations but come from overseas, so have observed this from a fairly objective stance. The opinion data doesn’t show a huge difference, as is also the case with the ‘myth of a progressive Scotland’ – Scots may like to think they are much more left wing than the English, but this is not true. It doesn’t stop some (not all) from displaying a rather sanctimonious attitude, which the SNP does all the time, trying to distance itself from big, bad ‘Tory’ England, yet complaining when it doesn’t get enough money (though public spending here is, per capita, higher than anywhere else but Northern Ireland).

I’m not optimistic about any adverse public reaction to the Scottish Government’s authoritarianism anytime soon. Most Scots seem compliant and probably want more from their Dear Leader! Ultimately, it was a hysterical public that led most governments into this disaster, and I think it will be an angry public that will lead us out, along with the biggest public deprogramming exercise in history (hence the need for any vaccine, regardless of effectiveness or associated problems, to placate the brainwashed masses). Here in Scotland, I actually think Sturgeon and her party will avoid the blame that will eventually fall on BoJo and his dreadful cabinet (except for Sunak, who I expect will take over early next year) and the SNP will probably win a majority of Scottish Parliament seats in May. We’ll see what happens with a second referendum, but I’m expecting the Union to be another casualty of the Rona.

263752 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom in Scotland, 15, #748 of 1913 🔗

Great post, Tom. 🙂

Scotland is a mess.

You could have stopped there and everyone would have still got it. 😉

My wife and I are Scots living in London; we cannot believe how brainwashed the people up there are. Krankie has almost got them eating out of the palm of her hand (thanks to the Barnett Formula, of course).

I really don’t think the Scottish people realise the complete disaster that is waiting for them, if they vote for Independence; that said, in the ‘Brave New World’ that appears to be coming for all of us, I think we all face disaster. 🙁

263851 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ceriain, 12, #749 of 1913 🔗

It wasn’t this bad at first and I sometimes wonder if the SNP is surprised at the level of its own success. I don’t think the party was ready for the 2011 victory that paved the way for the 2014 independence referendum; it came too early. The level of party professionalism is impressive (even if you don’t like the party!) and they seemed to learn on the job while keeping the team together. In interviews, SNP politicians told me the mantra was ‘team, record, vision’ and they stuck to it. I don’t think the cult behaviour came until a bit later, but the ‘infrastructure’ was there to build upon. The lack of effective, unified opposition is always bad in a democracy, but it’s even more of a problem now given the circumstances.

Some people I know here are very worried and are planning to get out in the near future. It will be bad across the UK, but I think Scotland will be worst affected if it does become independent at a time when we will have not only a ruined economy (due to the lockdowns, etc), but also the need to establish a central bank and a new currency, which even if pegged one-to-one with sterling, will still suck money out of the economy and eventually drop in value to speculators, meaning that your big mortgage (denominated in sterling) will get harder to pay. I wonder how many have thought of this? I expect a big human, business and capital flight out of Scotland and suspect that it will start with an SNP victory in May (not waiting for the referendum). I sold my flat last year and am renting, waiting on events.

263940 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #750 of 1913 🔗

Tom, I think Alex Salmond is not credited enough for the rise and rise of the SNP they were, before he took over as Leader, pretty much nowhere. She has just built on the hard work that went before. Do you think independence will be granted?

264377 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #751 of 1913 🔗

Yes, a lot of the SNP’s success initially came from Salmond’s appeal. I don’t think the wokeness would have come along, either, as it has under Sturgeon.

If there is a Yes vote, which I am now expecting, I do think it would be granted by the UK government, which I suspect is starting to consider life without Scotland. I just don’t see how the SNP and other nationalists can be appeased. ‘More powers’ for Scotland are not really possible – ‘devo max’ is not really politically feasible as it would probably put England at a disadvantage – and federalism is impossible in this lopsided UK. So, the choice is between constant problems with a perpetually unhappy Scotland, or Scottish secession and eventually developing a relationship that would probably resemble the UK’s relationship with Ireland, but with a defence component added on. I think some at Westminster are coming to this realisation.

263755 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tom in Scotland, 9, #752 of 1913 🔗

Brilliant post. Crossing the border into Roxburghshire (to go shopping or go to the dentist) always gives me mixed feelings. It’s an invisible border. But still a border, imposed on Border people with a shared heritage by politicians in Edinburgh and London that have no clue of or interest in what it’s like. On a third hand, borders and politicians can do what they like. People are what matters.

263842 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #753 of 1913 🔗

How about Scottish independence, conditional on the return to England of the entirety of Northumbria, and independence for the Highlands and Islands? Sturgeon loses Edinburgh to England, but gets to keep Glasgow. Wins all round.

264063 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ovis, 2, #754 of 1913 🔗

There’s a folk etymology that claims “Edinburgh” was Northumbrian Anglo-Saxon for “Edwin’s Burh” (Castle) and that it was the Northumbrian capital. I wouldn’t dream of pursuing such a ridiculous claim (Edwin’s “capital” was at Ad Gefrin, now Yeavering, a peaceful field in Glendale), but yes, the Northumbrian kingdom did briefly stretch that far north. I wrote to the late Sean Connery when he was twatting on in the independence campaign, and made this very suggestion, but unfortunately I didn’t get a reply.

263766 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #755 of 1913 🔗

The SNP grip on power via nationalism is what has been happening in Northern Ireland since the Good Friday Agreement. Elections are never run on policy debate. The politicians are consistently shown to be corrupt and have broken their own CV19 rules over the past 10 months.

Most people in Northern Ireland are so tired with it all its just expected now. The same people get in no matter how many scandals. Just Google recent scandals on these :

– RHI
– Ian Paisley Jnr gifts
– Bobby Storey funeral
– Wind Farm subsidies
– Anaerobic Digestion subsidies
– Red Sky
– Peter Robinson and Cerebus
– Elisha Mccallion and Covid business support subsidies

Go onto Irish Freedom Press and read their article on Mary Lou McDonald’s links to big Pharma

It’s never ending.

263768 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom in Scotland, 12, #756 of 1913 🔗

Yes, I have been saying much the same these last couple of months about the perception of Nicola Stalin in Scotland, but you have put it much more eloquently and contextually than I ever did. The hypocrisy of the ‘woke’ SNP using ancestral hatred of ‘The English’ to maintain power is lost on most of the people who live here. I have no hope for them, and I think if independence comes, I will be leaving not long after.

263820 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to jb12, 10, #757 of 1913 🔗

Yes, I’m planning for an early retirement and a departure in the near future. I have some good Scottish friends who are very concerned about these matters and have no problems with outsiders, but there is clearly some dog whistle activity going on now (note the protests against visitors on the English border and at Edinburgh Airport a few months ago). I know enough about nationalism to be worried.

263819 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to Tom in Scotland, 9, #758 of 1913 🔗

Great post Tom – thank you for so eloquently putting my thoughts to print! Like a couple of the other commentators on here, I also fear the union will be another casualty…and I too will be leaving.

263831 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #759 of 1913 🔗

I have relatives in Scotland, who are sufficiently anti-independence that they have sometimes voted tactically for Labour (despite being ideologically Conservative) in an attempt to keep the SNP out. However even they are liable to say that “Sturgeon puts herself across well”. I don’t see it that way myself. Maybe it’s an aspect of nationalistic feeling to prefer hearing a politician with a Scottish accent rather than a southern English one.

264387 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Edward, #760 of 1913 🔗

Yes, I have a Tory friend who has voted this way! Sturgeon has clearly done media training and does appeal to many here who conflate competence with media performance. Few look at what the SNP has done in the last 13 years and those who have will often blame the government’s shortcomings on ‘Westminster’ (ie, England).

263846 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #761 of 1913 🔗

Excellent post

263866 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #762 of 1913 🔗

Great post, very interesting.
Why do they vote for Sticky Nurgeon?? It’s beyond me. Does Iron Bru do something to peopl’s brains?

264391 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Two-Six, 1, #763 of 1913 🔗

Good question. I think it’s partially media performance, perhaps deliberately ignoring the problems with domestic policy here (after 13 years in power), the ability for the SNP to blame Westminster for failures due to ‘insufficient funding’ even though Scotland gets so much on a per capita basis, and it doesn’t help that the opposition is divided, weak, and uninspiring.

263876 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom in Scotland, 5, #764 of 1913 🔗

Sturgeon, like every nationalist has taught the population to blame their unhappiness on whatever she points her finger at. Blame the English, blame Westminster etc.. That’s how she derives her power. Let Scotland become independent and see who she blames then. The Norwegians, the Swedes?

Incidentally, being controlled by Brussels does not seem like independence to me

264403 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ben, 1, #765 of 1913 🔗

Yes, but I think people would see Scotland as having more autonomy as an indepedent EU member than as a part of the UK, and they’re probably right. It won’t be an easy ride, though, and Scotland would probably become a net contributor to the EU budget immediately.

263895 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom in Scotland, 8, #766 of 1913 🔗

Great post Tom in Scotland. I’m from overseas originally, am married to a Scot and we lived in Edinburgh for 10 years. Reading your post, it brought back memories of having lived there.

We left Edinburgh in 2016 and always say that every day we thank God that we left Scotland when we did. Definitely during our visits to my father in law and one year returning for 3 weeks for work purposes, we were noticing changes that were not for the better, more for the worse actually.

Definitely Scotland is not the cosmopolitan place that the SNP likes to pretend. Racism, xenophobia and sectarianism are always bubbling under the surface. And while the beauty and history attracts loads of overseas visitors (especially gullible ones who love to boast of their 5 times Scottish ancestor), a lot of it conceals the ugliness and poverty that lies in Scottish society, history and culture.

263907 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #767 of 1913 🔗

My English mother was once on the receiving end of Anti-English racism one year when she visited the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. It was nasty and unproked and it really shook her, but she still returned to the festival every year thereafter

263937 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 2, #768 of 1913 🔗

I had a colleague who was on the receiving end of the same as well when he went to work at our Edinburgh site for 2 weeks. He was a very good looking guy and this lady started flirting with him. Her whole attitude changed as soon as he opened his mouth and started engaging with her. Certainly his posh English accent became a dead giveaway.

264423 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #769 of 1913 🔗

Yes, it’s a shame about what seems to be an increase in ‘identity’ that I have noticed, along with others, anecdotally. There is a bit of empirical evidence in voting behaviour as well, with what appears to be a shift towards the Conservatives on the part of Protestant working-class people who used to vote Labour and who don’t support independence. John Curtice has noticed this and written about it, and it looks like the class cleavage is starting to give way to the ‘centre-periphery’ cleavage (the constitutional question). I suppose this is not surprising. One of my students, who is from the Manchester area but lived in Lockerbie for several years, still sounds a bit English and has said that he has never felt so unwelcome in his own country.

The sectarian rioting in Govan a while back should tell you something about that other identity issue. It’s disturbing.

263908 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #770 of 1913 🔗

Great interesting but sad post Tom. Scotland always feels like a second home to me, I used to live there in my early 20’s and still have close friends there who I was hoping to visit this year. I have never felt more welcome by the Scots the whole time I lived there.
I can’t say much for the politics there, everywhere is a mess at the moment. It’s a shame it’s come to this and I am glad I am back in N Ireland rather than there, which is saying something!

264426 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Janice21, #771 of 1913 🔗

Many people here are very nice and I don’t think the bad attitudes are all that widespread, but I’m worried about what happens when identity politics becomes so significant.

263910 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Tom in Scotland, 7, #772 of 1913 🔗

To be honest, Krankie has no desire for independence – paradoxically perhaps, I think the Union is in the best hands with her in charge. She would have made her indyref move by now if she was ever going to. At Holyrood, her and the SNP wokesters get to bury their snouts in the trough while blaming all the bad things on the English (as you point out) – and many Scots lap it up because it gives them the illusion of the moral high ground without having to take financial responsibility for their choices (“lives before profit”, “nurses before bankers”, “humanity before the economy” etc). Independence means owning those decisions and financially paying for them – anathema to most folk up here! They’re freeloaders – and the only real threat to the Union is the English taxpayer waking up and stopping this circus.

I’m half English, half Scottish by the way and have lived in both countries extensively. I grew up in Lanarkshire with an English accent (which soon got bullied out of me at school!), and I love the individualism and freedom-loving spirit of the English – something which is in no way reciprocated or appreciated by the majority of Scots, who (despite perhaps being outwardly more warm and friendly) are actually much more socially conformist and clannish – something which allows those same Scots to spend other people’s money while simultaneously hectoring them about their venal materialistic ways! The SNP know their target audience because they’re hypocritical freeloaders too.

264444 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to GorbalsGirl, 1, #773 of 1913 🔗

Yes, I agree entirely. I’ve lived here and in England and while there are many similarities, I do see some differences between Scots and the English, and have noticed what you have pointed out here. I think the SNP exaggerates the differences, particularly when they try to come off as morally superior, and the Scandinavian comparisons are total rubbish. I have a Scandinavian-American background and often tell people the only Scandinavian thing about Scotland is the weather! I’m also part English and don’t know if I should share that….

The Dear Leader may not actually want independence, for the reasons you list, but I suspect she may end up stuck with it anyway. People have said that Scottish independence will happen when the English have had enough, and I think this point is approaching (I listed something about this in another reply above). I just don’t see how the current situation is sustainable and I think the UK government might just decide to cut its losses, seeking a relationship within the Common Travel Area, as with Ireland, but with a defence arrangement added on. The border, separating two customs areas, will be a nightmare to police, however.

263919 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #774 of 1913 🔗

An interesting analysis, Tom.

I have close ties with Scotland, so have a personal interest, and recognise the elements in your analysis.

As you say, Labour has comprehensively blown its credibility as an opposition, and is not going to recover from the old failures that led to the SNP domination. The current policy of ‘me too – but better’ as a response to Tory totalitarianism isn’t going to cut the mustard in Scotland, either, when Sturgeon can do it even better.

It’s ironic that the SNP has, in the long run, managed to destroy all the basis of Scottish ‘independence’, contrariness and distinctiveness, although I don’t expect that to emerge clearly any time soon into the wider public consciousness.

Sturgeon, a highly skilled demagogue, has a weird Svengali effect “

Indeed. She has had an easy time, looking competent when measured against the low bar of political skill evident in the rest of the Isles. But, even allowing for that, and given the grumbling dissatisfaction that I hear, the complicity of the nation is surprising.

264124 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to RickH, 1, #775 of 1913 🔗

I don’t think all is lost though.

1) She can’t go on for ever (can she?)
2) There’s bound to be a pretty big shy union vote not showing in the polls
3) The idea that a yes vote would lead to partition within Scotland (which it surely would), if promoted more, surely gets moderate SNP voters thinking
4) EU membership means some kind of hard border with England, with checkpoints and delays

264484 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to kf99, 1, #776 of 1913 🔗

I would have thought she might have trouble with the rubbish track record, the apparent witch hunt against Salmond, the deaths in care homes since the virus arrived, etc, but she still hangs on! I’m not sure about a shy Unionist vote here – the polls are pretty clear and I don’t think Unionists are as shy as they once were. As for partitioning Scotland, I very much doubt it; the only places publicly taking about this are the Northern Isles, and I don’t see how Shetland and Orkney could actually do it. Normally in cases of secession, the legal boundaries in existence are the baseline and it’s unusual for this to change. Scotland’s boundaries are well established. I agree that there would be a hard border due to (assuming EU membership) different customs areas, and this would be difficult to police in rural areas (most of the border), though it is possible and is the case with the US and Canada, where the border is not really fenced off, but the foliage is cut back and there are cameras and sensors. I have lived in border states/provinces and it is taken very seriously. It is possible to streamline customs and immigration, as is the case with the US and Canada, plus Norway and Sweden. So, it will be a challenge (and costly), but it is possible.

264461 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, #777 of 1913 🔗

Yes, the SNP is quite ‘managerial’ and rather bland and centrist in some ways, though the ‘wokeness’ has grown under Sturgeon, and this might alienate some Scots. I think a lot of the problem is down to a divided opposition that is completely uninspiring. Independence allows for hope for a new beginning and I can how it is attractive to young people in particular. Also, criticism of the SNP and its plans is often taken as being negative about Scotland, rather than looking at reality and the potential problems that would happen with independence. It’s disturbingly similar to how the Communist Party of China portrays itself as an embodiment of China – there can be no opposition and any criticism of the party is criticism of the country.

263933 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #778 of 1913 🔗

This is a brilliant portrait of life in Scotland. I will say this, Sturgeon also has a very strong and sombre public presence. She acts in a dignified professional way which people seem to like. She is a competent politician but, like so many others, has lost the plot over this.

264395 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich -, #779 of 1913 🔗

Yes, this is a big part of it, but her party’s domestic policy performance over the past 13 years is not good.

263731 NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #780 of 1913 🔗

The Labour Party may be repulsive but at least it’s occasionally hilarious.
The only time I ever attended a council meeting, the Labour chair of the 95% Labour council put a stop to a particularly piffling debate by declaring, “I vote that in order to make progress, we take nee action”.

263734 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #781 of 1913 🔗

Am I correct in saying that the only test available prior to the lateral flow test was the PCR test?

All the evidence/science suggests that all the PCR tests are false positives

So is the reality that not one person had covid, was admitted to hospital with covid, or died of covid?

263748 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 8, #782 of 1913 🔗

Not exactly. You have to expect that a proportion were correctly diagnosed. You throw enough darts one will eventually hit the bullseye.

Diagnosis is needed beyond the PCR. Sysmtoms and scans such as CT, Xray. Maybe get a coroner in you know, normal stuff. Unfortunately all coroners died in the first few weeks due to exposure.

The PCR is picking up very weak positives over 30-35CTs. Anything beyond that is absolutely meaningless. How many fall into these categories is a closely held secret. No politician wants to touch because they are idiots and unable to understand it.

You also have widespread contamination in the factory line of testing we have. That can lead to even more false positives. The Channel 4 documentary demonstrated that deep audits are required to know to what extent this is happening but again no politician is touching this. Fingers in ears. Lalalalalala.

263864 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #783 of 1913 🔗

The coroner virus got them

263767 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cecil B, 3, #784 of 1913 🔗

The Drosten paper that became the “gold” standard said to run all tests at 45 cycles! How many adopted this is unknown, but it seems based on what’s happened it’s a lot! Wales for instance confirmed that in a FOI request, so I expect England to be no different.

263888 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 2, #785 of 1913 🔗

The Portuguese court rulings are very clear and detailed on this issue. Worth a read.

263893 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cecil B, #786 of 1913 🔗

Nope, we also had antibody tests.

So is the reality that not one person had covid, was admitted to hospital with covid, or died of covid?

No.

263736 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 29, #787 of 1913 🔗

Sums it up nicely

263862 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #788 of 1913 🔗

Yes! Also the sentence:

‘My rights don’t end where your fear begins’

And ‘freedom means no freedom pass’

263737 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 27, #789 of 1913 🔗

I usually look forward to Christmas, it’s one of my favourite times. Not this year. Even my 12 year old daughter isn’t bothered. Why? Because what is Christmas without joy, and the government have systematically removed the joy from every part of our lives. We don’t have freedom any more, we have to earn it. If we have a concession we have to pay it off 5 times over. We can meet but can’t hug. We can speak but can’t sing. We can shop but have to hide our faces. Any hope is extinguished with a warning. Any deviance with censure. We are the dead.

263747 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Achilles, 10, #790 of 1913 🔗

I agree with anything you have said,I am feeling very pessimistic today,I felt more hopeful last week but as you say every little bit of hope is always extinguished.We are in an infinite return loop of insanity.

263772 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Paul, 5, #791 of 1913 🔗

Perhaps once every last bit of hope has been crushed out of everybody and everybody then realises they have nothing left to loose there will finally be hope.

263915 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Paul, 4, #792 of 1913 🔗

Being prone to being a secret Walter Mitty on the quiet I have this wonderful fantasy that Christmas Day and Boxing day would be ideal to organise a nationwide protest but on the basis of a massive, al fresco national Christmas Party around the country. After all, no police, no Government plenty of mulled wine, community sharing and goodwill. After all,, the SAGE scientists did say we should hold Christmas outdoors…….

264174 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jo Dominich -, #793 of 1913 🔗

It’ll piss down though

263756 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 3, #794 of 1913 🔗

I know someone else who agrees Christmas should be cancelled but it won’t be because any oppressive regime needs carrots as well as sticks to keep the people in line, after all LD2 was sold to “save Christmas”. We won’t be doing it this year.

263760 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to DRW, 5, #795 of 1913 🔗

You can’t cancel Christmas.

It is a religious feast day that is celebrated on 25th December.

263925 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to John P, 3, #796 of 1913 🔗

No, most people would just do it anyway, hence the silly Christmas truce thing but you could try to ban public celebrations, which they’re doing a brilliant job of doing.

263946 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to DRW, 1, #797 of 1913 🔗

Cool..let’s cancel Christmas but then also cancel Divali and Ramadan…Yeah , everyone agrees? Good..

263798 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Achilles, 5, #798 of 1913 🔗

Achilles, just ignore the stupid so called rules, I do.

263839 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #799 of 1913 🔗

I pretty much do but the problem is that we are stymied by the rules and everyone around that doesn’t ignore them. I don’t wear a mask but I don’t want to be in a place where everyone else does. So no shops for me and there are no Christmas concerts, no sleepovers for my daughter, no school Christmas fayre, no big family meals out, no Carol Concerts, no ice rinks, etc. They may seem like trivial things but these are the silly little bits of life that actually make it worth living, that raise life above the humdrum of working, eating and sleeping. Netflix does not fulfil my soul.

263853 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Achilles, 1, #800 of 1913 🔗

Keep the faith.

263821 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Achilles, 3, #801 of 1913 🔗

Close the curtains and enjoy the day with your family any way you want to.

263903 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Achilles, 2, #802 of 1913 🔗

Well said Achilles but Mr Bart and I agreed that we will still celebrate it come hell or high water. TPTB wish to extinguish every ounce of life and joy in us but we must resist and our resistance will be celebrating Christmas as is.

That said I’m annoyed that we will have to watch Messiah via Zoom!

263906 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #803 of 1913 🔗

I assume that’s a programme you’re referring to and not Jesus himself. Who knew old JC was so technologically savvy?

263944 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Achilles, #804 of 1913 🔗

Your comment made me laugh so thanks for that!!! 🤣
The Academy of Ancient Music is doing a performance of Handel’s Messiah on 19 December – that’s what we’ll be watching.

263739 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #805 of 1913 🔗

From the bits I’ve read below I think that we just have to accept that the world has gone bonkers.

263757 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 20, #806 of 1913 🔗

Not everyone, but many. Far too many. Surprisingly many. It’s deeply disturbing. You never think it will happen to you. I can’t think of a more widespread collective insanity in the history of this planet – most examples have been more localised.

One of the tricky things about persuading people of this is that they simply refuse to believe that it’s possible for so many people to be madly wrong about something. I point out things like what happened in Nazi Germany but they seem to think that it couldn’t happen again/here.

263759 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 10, #807 of 1913 🔗

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263775 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Basileus, 2, #808 of 1913 🔗

I’ve been meaning to sign up as a distributor for a while now – thanks for the reminder! https://thelightpaper.co.uk/distribute

263786 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Quernus, 5, #809 of 1913 🔗

Yes we are ready to go here. I believe the time is right to push hard to encourage the ‘tipping’.

263803 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, 3, #810 of 1913 🔗

Thanks for this. I’ve signed up for copies for my shop.

263891 ▶▶ steph, replying to Basileus, 3, #811 of 1913 🔗

Thanks. I’ve signed up. Used to wear out my shoe leather for the Conservative party. Never again and this is much more worthwhile.

263898 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steph, 1, #812 of 1913 🔗

Me too Steph. I’m doing it for BacktoNormal and have also used leaflets from here to put on cars and distribute. So I’ll include these too.

264029 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Basileus, #813 of 1913 🔗

Who funds the Light Truth paper?

264489 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ben, #814 of 1913 🔗

Printed inside the paper:

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264253 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 1, #815 of 1913 🔗

Thanks great paper. Signed up

263762 John P, replying to John P, 11, #816 of 1913 🔗

“As long as we continue to work on our own resilience and refuse to let lockdown, fear-mongering and censorship suck the ambition out of our spirit, victory is ours.” – Naomi Seibt

263795 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to John P, 2, #817 of 1913 🔗

Avoid this website then.

263765 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 19, #818 of 1913 🔗

Wetherspoon has produced a 23 page online edition of Wetherspoon News, its pub magazine, with articles from leading academics, doctors and other commentators, highlighting serious flaws in the government’s reaction to coronavirus.

Haven’t read it through, but the Wethy’s mag usually puts both sides of the story and leaves you to decide:

https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/news/2020/11/wetherspoon-news-do-lockdowns-work

263782 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #819 of 1913 🔗

I have just had a quick look through. It brings together a number of key articles which support the sceptic position. There are a couple of insubstantial fence sitting pieces, but overall this is very useful.

263787 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Sam Vimes, 26, #820 of 1913 🔗

I had a theory yesterday that 1 reason they don’t want pubs open as normal is because it stops a lot of open debate from happening, lots less conversations about current affairs.

263832 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #821 of 1913 🔗

Yes!!!! 100%.

263838 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Anothersceptic2, 12, #822 of 1913 🔗

That’s why. Shutting pubs has nothing to do with controlling a deadly virus, it’s all about keeping people apart so they don’t discuss the Corona Bollocks, which if allowed would derail the LIES in a few days.
All part of the Pys-op, limit peoples access to an independent narrative that goes against the official one.

263879 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #823 of 1913 🔗

Yes. And judging from the views in my local before it was shut down again, there wasn’t even really a debate to be had.

263905 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #824 of 1913 🔗

Agree. It’s also one way to damage social & community cohesion as well as the middle class trampling on the working class.

263824 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #825 of 1913 🔗

That’s really quite excellent. Let’s hope it gets snapped up from the 3rd December.

263770 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #826 of 1913 🔗

Good grief! From the DT live feed reporting on the HoC:

Matt Hancock is then asked how confident he is that death certificates have been an accurate basis to determine the prevalence of Covid.
He says it is “a serious challenge” and the question is “entirely reasonable”.
He notes the issue over the summer when it emerged that Public Health England was including anyone who had tested coronavirus without a deadline.
He quotes Chris Whitty as saying “the only true measure is excess deaths” because that is one “you can’t avoid”.

263774 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #827 of 1913 🔗

He really has no idea what he is saying, does he?

263781 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 11, #828 of 1913 🔗

Nope. But worse still is the fact that none of the intellectual pygmies listening to him in Parliament have a clue what he’s saying either, so no alarm bells will ring.

263793 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #829 of 1913 🔗

…none of the intellectual pygmies listening to him in Parliament have a clue what he’s saying either…

Which should not be the case, really, given the numbers of MPs who have had lectures, links, graphs and death statistics galore in letters, emails, etc . from us here. My MP is sick of the amount of stats and graphs I’ve sent her.

263841 ▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Ceriain, 3, #830 of 1913 🔗

Agree, they have no excuse.
I’ve just sent a lesson on the fundamentals of common law and a reading/viewing list to my MP.
Maybe Mr. Hitchens opinion is accurate – that they are all thick?

263848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to gina, 5, #831 of 1913 🔗

I think many of them are reasonably smart in a narrow field but are fundamentally lazy. It takes a while to get to grips with something outside of your area of expertise. So much easier to take what you have been spoon fed. Especially as it might lead to you having to challenge the leadership on certain points. I admire Desmond Swayne et al immensely but their position at the moment must be very uncomfortable. Luckily they are grown ups with thick skins.

263945 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 4, #832 of 1913 🔗

I don’t imagine for a moment that many of them bother to read a fraction of what we send.

264430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #833 of 1913 🔗

I got a reply to my substantial email within 20 minutes. It was barely literate so I don’t imagine Mr. Baker even saw it.
I sent a follow up and asked who actually wrote the response.
Could I have their name and an affirmation that my MP actually read my email.Then I went on to refute the brief points made in support of Mr. Piffle’s new policy.
I haven’t had a response yet so I’m thinking this one might have been passed on to Mr. Baker.
We shall see. Annoyed to have to spend a day writing emails but what else to do – apart from curse and ill wish the rotten lot of them.

263779 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #834 of 1913 🔗

Right, so when we start to see a rise in deaths due to lockdown (poverty, removal of healthcare, suicide) they’ll all naturally be due to covid.

263826 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to leggy, 3, #835 of 1913 🔗

Whitty has already said as much.

263828 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to leggy, 5, #836 of 1913 🔗

They already are. They label them “indirect COVID 19 deaths”.

263985 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Steve Hayes, #837 of 1913 🔗

Is this a variable? Label they’ve started as a new data descriptor?

264037 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #838 of 1913 🔗

In a way, Whitty is suggesting a lot of current (and future) deaths are Covid related.

On November the 3rd he told the Science Select committee:

Most of the additional deaths stack up because you don’t deal with Covid.

Basically, there are four different ways in which this causes mortality. I will go through them. This is a really critical point that has been wholly misunderstood in some areas. Direct deaths from Covid is easy to understand. I agree with that.

The second group, which hopefully we will not get to, are deaths from emergency services being overwhelmed. We did not have that in the first wave and we have every intention of trying to avoid that in the second wave.

The third group is things that would happen: because of Covid putting pressure on the service, you have to cancel elective and other urgent care. Those deaths might be cardiovascular. In the medium term, that might be cancer. Those are on the Covid side of the equation.

Then you have some that were around the lockdown itself, which are things like reduction in air pollution on the good side, and an increase in mental health problems on the bad side.

The final ones, which are very important, are the economic ones: counterintuitively, the immediate effect is not negative but in the long term that is very important. That is the bit that is on the other side of the equation. I have always said that clearly. If you are in public health, caring about increasing deprivation is central to what you do. It is absolutely critical. I have always tried to say that that is the other side of the equation.

The cancer and cardiovascular deaths are on the Covid side. If you don’t deal with Covid, those are going to get worse.

As you can all see; Whitty is pretty much Covid obsessed.

https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/1122/default/

263794 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #839 of 1913 🔗

Still waiting for Matt Hancock’s urgent review into that scandal

263811 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 2, #840 of 1913 🔗

And the promised rearrangement of the chairs at rebranded PHE.

263810 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #841 of 1913 🔗

Lockdown induced suicides matt?
Deaths caused by NHA neglect ?

263818 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #842 of 1913 🔗

Really? He’s now reverting to truth? Am i reading this correctly? When did he start being honest? Is it now over?

263834 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #843 of 1913 🔗

Well, they’ll have to switch to arse-covering mode soon enough, the narrative is rapidly falling apart.

263991 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #844 of 1913 🔗

Do you think? I’ve zoned out of MSM a bit so not up to speed. Do you genuinely feel the narrative is crumbling? I’m very happy if that’s the case.

263978 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #845 of 1913 🔗

Yes I’m amazed, he’s usually happy to lie through his teeth, I’m surprised he didn’t say that 150% of recorded deaths are definitely due to covid – you can bet that no one would have noticed.

264263 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to A. Contrarian, #846 of 1913 🔗

CRG mobilising behind the scenes.

263837 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #847 of 1913 🔗

Not when shutting down the NHS has also caused a lot of excess deaths

263871 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #848 of 1913 🔗

All-cause mortality is currently rising slightly above the previous trend – although still only in the middle of the quarter-century range.

It is clear that mandated interventions have had no impact on the trend (so what’s new?), and there is nothing to suggest that SARS is the cause.

Are we seeing the visible start of reaping the whirlwind of deaths caused by lockdown?

263885 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #849 of 1913 🔗

That’s the equivalent response of “That’s a good question so I won’t dignify it with an answer”

263791 Ben, replying to Ben, 15, #850 of 1913 🔗

Tyranny in Wales

I’m astounded by this cruelty. As far I’m aware no risk assessments have been done for prolonged wearing of face masks in children. The parents of any child who becomes ill from this policy should sue the school

https://twitter.com/DavidHoban8/status/1331212974590222339?s=20

263857 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ben, 4, #851 of 1913 🔗

Parents should stand up for their children and not permit the school to force their children to wear masks. Attempting to sue the school after your child has been harmed by them is not going to protect your child.

264018 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #852 of 1913 🔗

Not just the masks either. I was reading last night about a school having the windows open to ventilate the classroom, the poor kids are freezing and the school is refusing to let them put their coats on because “it breaches uniform policy”!

I mean, for fucks sake, how monumentally dogmatic and utterly fucking stupid do you have to be to even remotely consider that situation as acceptable? At the very least it borders on child abuse/neglect/cruelty because Social Services would be round your house if that was occurring in a domestic situation.

If I was one of those parents the Head Teacher would be getting a full on talking at.

264026 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #853 of 1913 🔗

I’m starting to wonder if teachers and schools actually hate children. Is it government policy to cause children to get colds and flu via cold air from open windows?

264051 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #854 of 1913 🔗

Not sure talking to the head teacher will help much. I have a 13 year old in school – I don’t want to go into all the details but yes its not just the masks. The evil acts snowball.

I think its more important first to speak to the child. They need to be able to understand and feel that they are not in the wrong despite what is going on and the compliance of everybody around then. They need to be given other options – home schooling being ultimately what we can offer as a parent(not easy I know but there is no easy left now) so that they can defy the rules with confidence. They need to understand how they can use rules like mask exemptions to prevent being muzzled. They need to understand that the school is their to provide them with a service – they do not exist to serve the school. Once the school is no longer adding value to their lives then the school becomes redundant.

I really hope one day we can hold these evil people to account but until then we need to equip our children with the ability to make use of the service as much as it provides a benefit to them while being able to recognise when a line is being crossed and their defiance is then OK.

264057 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Saved To Death, #855 of 1913 🔗

Not just OK but the only moral course of action.

264069 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #856 of 1913 🔗

Just to add its not just what is being done physically – they are literally being terrorised by the school just like we are by the government. Not to mention the constant promotion of racists and extremist organisations like BLM. It really is quite surreal. My 13 year old is capable of thinking for himself and can see right through their lies so I am not so worried about him. When he decides the cost of school outweighs the benefits of seeing his friends I will home school him.

My 3 year old on the other hand unless things change dramatically by next September I dont think he will be going to school unless some sane underground school system develops.

264166 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #857 of 1913 🔗

Funny how things change. Last year if any head teacher dared did this, the press would have been crying foul over “Dickensian conditions”, the school would have been under investigation and the head would have had to apologise and resign.

This year, its acceptable because its Covid “safety” policy never mind if the children are freezing and have the potential to develop colds, fever and flu. Bet any parent who objects is labelled as a “granny killer”

The cynic in me wonders if this is all deliberate to bump up cases and show that even children can get Covid.

264255 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #858 of 1913 🔗

I’d be taking legal advice.

263796 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 22, #859 of 1913 🔗

What were they arguing about day in day out at no 10?

I bet it wasn’t about who’s turn it was to make the tea

Cummings and Cain went. Aaronson and Rutherford have not been seen since.

The pig dictator won’t come out his flat

Was it at that point that they realised exactly what they had done and the finger pointing started?

It must have dawned on some that they will be going to prison

Only the pig dictator and the idiot man child left, and nobody in a rush to join them

Some, looking to the future will now start disobeying orders

From where I’m sitting it’s over

263800 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 8, #860 of 1913 🔗

You give me hope. It is temptingly plausible.

263807 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 8, #861 of 1913 🔗

Agreed, nobody but bozo and dreary matt seem to want anything to do with the nonsense these days.

263812 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cecil B, 5, #862 of 1913 🔗

Your penultimate sentence…. I hope this is true. I want to seek out evidence to support this.

263814 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 4, #863 of 1913 🔗

Wiley Coyote ran over the cliff months ago, but it’s taking him a long time to notice.

263858 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, 3, #864 of 1913 🔗

I wish I shared your optimism, but commenters on this site have been saying it’s over for weeks if not months now and each time it’s gotten worse.

263881 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cecil B, 3, #865 of 1913 🔗

While the police have the power to arbitrarily detain anyone or prevent them from doing normal human things, it’s not over.

This isn’t just about the 98% who mostly get away with transgressions purely because the authorities don’t have the resources to control everyone, it’s also about the ever present risk that they could curtail liberties on a whim for someone who isn’t so lucky.

264246 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #866 of 1913 🔗

It must have dawned on some that they will be going to prison

Are they that bright ? 🙂

263815 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #867 of 1913 🔗

A lockdown by any other name tastes just as bitter.

263823 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to p02099003, 1, #868 of 1913 🔗

Hancockdown?

263875 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to nickbowes, 1, #870 of 1913 🔗

I wonder if they are ethnic minorities. Silly me the filth don’t bother ethnics.

263868 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, #872 of 1913 🔗

Scroll down for a link to download or listen

264106 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 1, #873 of 1913 🔗

v important bit @ 01:40 Your Own Cells Become The Virus’, Top Immunologist ‘Will Not Take’ Pfizer and Moderna mRNA Covid Vaccines ‘Could Injure You For Life

263867 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #874 of 1913 🔗

So let me get this straight. They put us in lockdown in March because the deaths were rising and most people (including me) begrudgingly complied (easy for me, I live in the country). So we are now in effect in lockdown until next March, when flu related deaths increase. So does anybody else suspect further lockdowns and restrictions next March.

Its like leading a donkey with a carrot on a stick, the carrot being a date when we’ll be let free, but reality is we’ll never get the carrot.

263952 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #875 of 1913 🔗

Yes, we’ll never get the carrot

264000 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #876 of 1913 🔗

That was exactly my thought last night and I would add:

Carrot smells of stick, stick smells of shit.

264019 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #877 of 1913 🔗

It’s not about health. It’s about profits and control. Endless vaccines for Pharma, Covid-Pass for tech shareholders. Gates and Pharma want to see a return on their investment

263869 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #878 of 1913 🔗

BBc saying deaths are 19% higher than usual.
I wonder how many usually die of respiratory disease and how many are due to neglect?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55057380

263889 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #879 of 1913 🔗

without deaths broken down it’s meaningless, but headlines are all they need to influence public opinion

263986 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #880 of 1913 🔗

Just did a quick calculation. 19% of 1700 (average daily deaths for this time of year I believe) is 323. More or less on the money for the number of daily “Covid” deaths we’re seeing at the moment. Seems awfully convenient. If covid deaths continue to fall but excess deaths remain the same or increase, how will they spin that?

Oh of course, Whitty will just say that all deaths until 2030 are “covid related” and that will be that.

Worth remembering that lots of winters see some amount of excess deaths. That’s the whole point, since it’s being compared to the average. Some years will be above, and some below, to produce the average figure. That’s how statistics work but I doubt the BBC has cottoned on.

263872 richard riewer, 5, #881 of 1913 🔗

Bog off Boris!

263873 George L, replying to George L, 2, #882 of 1913 🔗

The World Socialist Web Site is still pushing mega doom about Covid 19. I firmly believe these (revolutionary socialist) prats see an opening for themselves under the Globalists and assorted hangers on. You can’t make this stuff up..

https://www.wsws.org/en?redirect=true

263877 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to George L, 1, #883 of 1913 🔗

They have.

263900 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to richard riewer, 1, #884 of 1913 🔗

Well I’m glad I’m not alone in my thinking about these wretched people. A (tolerated) friend of many years and I have parted company over this virus debacle. WSW is his bible. I tried to inform him about the real agenda, but I was wasting my breath..

263882 ▶▶ Frank Garrett, replying to George L, 3, #885 of 1913 🔗

They think we can create an economy based on zero growth. Its madness.

263884 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to George L, 1, #886 of 1913 🔗

I find it quite an encouraging read. If they’re het up about something it’s a fair bet I’m going to like it. That new Secretary of State, for example. Right-wing militarist? And “pandemic raging”. Lol. Bring it on.

263904 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to George L, 2, #887 of 1913 🔗

The insanity comes from all quarters. Their detachment from reality is boundless. From their site:

UK prime minister Boris Johnson revealed yesterday the government’s plans for ending its one-month “lockdown” on December 2 and for allowing gatherings over Christmas.
Thousands more will be allowed to die in the coming weeks to secure the corporations’ holiday season profits, with a renewed surge of the virus coinciding with the typical peak of the flu season…….
The Socialist Equality Party (UK) and its sister parties across Europe call for a general strike to halt the homicidal back-to-work and back-to-school agenda. This should prepare for a national lockdown with full financial, educational, medical and social support provided safely for all workers and young people affected. These measures will be funded by reclaiming the billions already handed to the financial and corporate elite and carrying out a massive redistribution of their colossal private fortunes to meet social needs.

263914 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to godowneasy, 1, #888 of 1913 🔗

Yeah.. it certainly takes the biscuit. How about this one..

As Europe’s governments preside over mass death, workers must fight for the shutdown of nonessential production and schools Growing numbers of workers and young people support the demand for the shutdown of nonessential production and ending of in-person teaching in schools to contain the pandemic.

263927 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to George L, 5, #889 of 1913 🔗

What pandemic? The word was redefined by the WHO in 2009 after pressure from Pharma to change the definition. Which definition is it?

263941 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to godowneasy, 2, #890 of 1913 🔗

They are a joke and have always been a joke. A friend of my once proudly pronounced that he was a socialist and after about 45 min shouting match because he had problems with me stating facts, he is no longer my friend.

263993 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #891 of 1913 🔗

I had a guy on the Green Party page telling me that communism was the answer to all of our problems last week. I didn’t bother pointing out the hundreds of millions of deaths it’s caused.

263963 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to godowneasy, 6, #892 of 1913 🔗

Thousands more will be “allowed” to die? No one is forcing them to go out and do their Christmas shopping are they? They can sit at home and continue to get Amazon if they want to.

On the other hand if the government made even the smallest attempt to help elderly and vulnerable isolate, should they wish to, rather than saying that it’s “impossible”, then thousands of lives probably could have been saved already…

264054 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #893 of 1913 🔗

That’s what makes me so angry. They claim to be “saving lives” but do nothing to help the vulnerable avoid crowded shops or pharmacies which could be full of people buying remedies for their respiratory illnesses. They just take away everything that makes life worth living and offer nothing in return.

263968 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to godowneasy, 2, #894 of 1913 🔗

Surely this is a spoof?!

Apart from anything else it’s inaccurate. There is no back-to-work agenda, we’re still all being told to work at home post 2 Dec. And the schools have been back since September.

264042 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to George L, 1, #895 of 1913 🔗

This is the common policy of the European ruling class, with governments, to a lesser or greater degree, all preparing to wind down minor additional public health measures introduced this autumn. Britain is once again leading the way in this murderous campaign, having taken 20 days longer than the rest of Europe to bring the R (reproduction rate) of the virus below 1 during the first wave in spring, according to the OECD.” Are these people living in a different universe than we are?


264067 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #896 of 1913 🔗

Well they are the ‘Equality Party’ .. ha! 😉

263880 Frank Garrett, replying to Frank Garrett, 11, #897 of 1913 🔗

A vaccine isn’t the panacea they think it is. What if some are allergic to this vaccine, do we deny freedom of movement to those people. When we were saying those who wish to lock themselves down because they were immune-compromised and the rest of us go on living we were painted as villains. But its okay to shut people in for not taking a vaccine!?

263923 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Frank Garrett, 1, #898 of 1913 🔗

How else do Pharma and Covid-Pass get their profits. Shareholders are hungry

263936 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Frank Garrett, #899 of 1913 🔗

Anyone who medically can’t be vaccinated will probably be let off, the ID is the main objective anyway.

263949 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Frank Garrett, 1, #900 of 1913 🔗

They have already told us they are working on alternatives for those who can’t have the vaccination.

263994 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #901 of 1913 🔗

Are these alternatives called internment camps?

264247 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Frank Garrett, 1, #902 of 1913 🔗

Great post.

Yes there are lots of people that react badly to vaccines and in some cases it could lead to disability or death.

However, these people (Pharma/Governments) normally say that “ it is for the greater good” . The survival rate of Covid is 99,7% but if your mother die because of the vaccine it is for the greater good.

264249 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Frank Garrett, 1, #903 of 1913 🔗

They’ve got a long road to travel. At the moment it’s a massive propaganda campaign to get people used to the idea of it and the Lockdown is to get people so desperate to return to normal that they’ll do anything. However, that road is fraught with serious obstacles and legal actions which will be upheld. All we have right now is propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. Stalin would be proud. However, Astra Zeneca has been seriously discredited already, Pfizer hasn’t even been tested properly under clinical trials criteria and Moderna is probably no different. I’m not that worried about this vaccine to be honest with you. It will pretty soon drop out of the picture in any event.

263899 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #904 of 1913 🔗

The Independent: UK government running ‘Orwellian’ unit to block freedom of information requests.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freedom-of-information-foi-clearing-house-b1760830.html

264239 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #905 of 1913 🔗

Thanks for this. This is BIG!!!!

The British government is operating a secretive internal unit to block requests for information by the public under transparency laws, it has been revealed.

The FOI Clearing House, an “Orwellian” operation within Michael Gove’s Cabinet Office, shares personal information about journalists and researchers and has been accused of “blacklisting” people making freedom of information requests.

An investigation by the OpenDemocracy website found the unit issues edicts to other departments to “protect sensitive information”, collates lists of journalists and transparency researchers, and even has sign-off powers other government departments’ freedom of information requests.

Transparency campaigners and data protection experts said the unit was certainly an attempt to circumvent the transparency protections in the Freedom of Information Act, and possibly even unlawful.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freedom-of-information-foi-clearing-house-b1760830.html

264416 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, #906 of 1913 🔗

I wonder if Mr AG had noticed?

264486 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Victoria, #907 of 1913 🔗

Gove – pah!

263901 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #908 of 1913 🔗

Mirror Online: GMB’s Piers and Susanna cringe as Dr Hilary breaks coronavirus rules on live TV.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/gmbs-piers-susanna-cringe-dr-23057797

263911 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #909 of 1913 🔗

If Doctor Hilary had been practising social distancing since March, I would have thought he would have got the hang of it by now.

263921 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #910 of 1913 🔗

Hypocrites

264081 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, 1, #911 of 1913 🔗

PATHETIC tossers.

263909 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 9, #912 of 1913 🔗

Seen a couple of rumours today that mask mandates are going to be extended to some outdoor public spaces this week.

The excerpt below from the SAGE minutes on 21st September on this matter is very revealing. They know full well that there is absolutely no medical case for doing this. It is purely another layer of psychological torture.

It has of course been obvious since June that eventually masks will be mandatory everywhere, forever.

Intervention : Requirement for use of face covering outdoors
Impact on COVID transmission : Very Low impact on community transmission.
Implementation issues : it is critical that recommendations are seen to be based on the science and proportionate otherwise the legitimacy of mask wearing overall will be compromised. Given that the evidence suggests outdoor spread to be very limited this may be seen as an excessive measure.

263918 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 14, #913 of 1913 🔗

SAGE destroying life again.. Are the staff of SAGE genuine psychopaths?

In Melbourne it’s no longer a requirement to wear face masks outdoors, because people were starting to question the absurdity of them in the fresh air

263932 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ben, 10, #914 of 1913 🔗

I’ve said before. They are now a runaway train who’ve lost all sense of objectivity and proportionality. They need to have a sharp tug on their necks but there is no political will to do so because their scaremongering helps the cause.

263920 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard O, 15, #915 of 1913 🔗

I doubt it will be introduced. They have to tread a careful line. If they mandate a measure and it is widely ignored, it would undermine their authority. This is why they are agonising about the measures to be in place over Christmas. They fear that if they do not relax the restrictions, they will be breached and non-compliance will become acceptable. A totalitarian regime requires large scale acceptance by the general population.

264059 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #916 of 1913 🔗

No way would I comply, even if they did. I fucking hate the sight of the things!

264245 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Hayes, #917 of 1913 🔗

They’re gong to be breached anyway.

263926 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Richard O, 10, #918 of 1913 🔗

Nope. Not doing it, they can fucking jog on.

263964 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Richard O, 5, #919 of 1913 🔗

CONTROL FREAKS

263916 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 53, #920 of 1913 🔗

Droitwich spa (Worcestershire) shop fined £1,000 for flouting LD rules but they will not back down and will continue to stay open.
Brave, brave people who when sanity returns will be recognized as the heroes they truly are.

263928 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #921 of 1913 🔗

Down the road from me. I shall be congratulating them.

263934 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mutineer, 10, #922 of 1913 🔗

Give them my best wishes.

263938 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #923 of 1913 🔗

And mine too. Courageous, gutsy people.

264215 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mutineer, 2, #924 of 1913 🔗

Same here and all the best to them.

263942 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #925 of 1913 🔗

Great news. More of the same please. Small business face a stark choice: do not comply or go under.

264393 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Basileus, 3, #927 of 1913 🔗

Thanks, just written a note of support to them and offered a contribution if required for legal fees. I think we should all be doing that when such businesses are brought to our attention.

264906 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #928 of 1913 🔗

Unsung Heroes! Keep multiplying.

263929 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #929 of 1913 🔗

https://www.corbettreport.com/lockdowns/ gives some history behind lockdown. Apparently it was a 14 year olds school project, alongside her father.

263935 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 2, #930 of 1913 🔗

Yes! I was aware of this ages ago. Good you found a link.
A must read.
Social distancing was literally thought up by a 14yr old school girl, she got a credit on her fathers academic paper who copied her ideas.

263947 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to p02099003, 17, #931 of 1913 🔗

If you are advocating for lockdowns, you are complicit in tearing families apart. You are complicit in inflicting untold suffering on millions of people around the world. You are complicit in casting the poorest and most vulnerable in our societies into even further grinding poverty. You are complicit in murder.

James Corbett nails it again. He is an outstanding independent investigative journalist (not a conspiracy theorist).

263954 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Richard O, 8, #932 of 1913 🔗

Conspiracy theorists have far much more credibility than MSM reporters these days.

263939 richard riewer, #933 of 1913 🔗

Scupper their plans.

263953 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #934 of 1913 🔗

Merthyr sees 977 tested for coronavirus. Sounds like a herd of cattle being tested for TB or BSE doesn’t it. Presumably this is how we are viewed by our great rulers.

263956 ▶▶ John P, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #935 of 1913 🔗

Well, a flock of sheep anyway.

263974 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #936 of 1913 🔗

Presumably??

264080 ▶▶ Will, replying to HelzBelz, #937 of 1913 🔗

The TB reactor test is even less fit for purpose and produces even more false positives than the PCR test.

263959 Daniel Graham, replying to Daniel Graham, 7, #938 of 1913 🔗

With the coming Health/jab passports on the way very soon, I can see the Jehovah’s Witnesses becoming are very popular church this year!

264005 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Daniel Graham, 7, #939 of 1913 🔗

Corona’s Witnesses

264111 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to calchas, 3, #940 of 1913 🔗

“Hello, would you like to buy a copy of the Corona Watchtower?”

264421 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Waldorf, #941 of 1913 🔗

I’ve been distributing copies of ‘The Light’, the new national free, monthly ‘truthpaper’, concentrating on local independent high street shops. The first thing I feel obliged to say when I am looked at suspiciously is that it isn’t a religious or cult newspaper! I can see the shop managers relax straightaway, especially when they hear the word ‘free’.

I have found that the most receptive customers are those of first or second generation immigrant origin. Sadly, the ‘indigenous’ business owners are much more wedded to the Govt narrative and less willing to even take a single copy of the paper for their own perusal, even when I stress that the paper was the brainchild of a team of people concerned about the economic impact of lockdown on high street businesses such as theirs.

263960 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #942 of 1913 🔗

A few years ago researchers at Brigham Young University conducted an influential meta-analysis of scientific literature on the subject, and found that social isolation increases your risk of death by an astounding ~30%, and some estimates have it as high as 60%! Just to quote the abstract from that paper:”

……..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/01/18/loneliness-might-be-a-bigger-health-risk-than-smoking-or-obesity/?sh=5b3d81de25d1

263970 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 4, #943 of 1913 🔗

Well I live alone, smoke and am overweight, so I must be done for.

263973 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 2, #944 of 1913 🔗

As long as you compensate with plenty of booze you’re ok 🙂

263977 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 4, #945 of 1913 🔗

That’s why I’m overweight!

263981 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Richard O, 4, #946 of 1913 🔗

Wrong booze Richard – you need the gin and slimline tonic!

264030 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 1, #947 of 1913 🔗

I find it reduces mine, the muzzled sheeple masses genuinely drain my will to live.

263989 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to aiden, 1, #949 of 1913 🔗

I think hypocrite is a more accurate description. https://www.rt.com/news/507614-pope-nba-social-justice/

264151 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to aiden, 3, #950 of 1913 🔗

If anyone is stuck in his own little world it’s the pope!

264175 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to aiden, 2, #951 of 1913 🔗

Nothing wrong with being stuck in your own little world when its the only rational place left.

264368 ▶▶ c s, replying to aiden, #952 of 1913 🔗

he should get back to “liking” pictures of half-naked models on Instagram

264439 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to aiden, #953 of 1913 🔗

Ah Yes – we are familiar with the Protector Of Paedophiles Everywhere here in Ireland.

An excellent summary of the slave centres, aka Magadalene Laundries, in Ireland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26cqhXC-S2A

264902 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to aiden, 1, #954 of 1913 🔗

The Pope is a Dope.

263965 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 97, #955 of 1913 🔗

Just had a set-to with a customer. I told her she could do what she wants (“what are we allowed to do”). Then she went on to say that if people “observed social distancing, we wouldn’t be in this mess”. I asked her where all the dead bodies are and I got a snarky “well, 50,000 deaths?” I asked her about all the extra deaths due to cancer, heart disease and old people dying a miserable, lonely death. I pointed out that flu had now been miraculously eradicated – “that’s because people are washing their hands” I deployed my killer remark: “well, I find it odd that, bearing in mind you believe there to be a killer disease out there, you are still willing to risk your life to come out for a cup of tea” That flummoxed her.

263969 ▶▶ calchas, replying to kh1485, 43, #956 of 1913 🔗

That’s because virtue-signalling is difficult when you are sat on your own in your own living-room.

Well said!

263975 ▶▶ John P, replying to kh1485, 11, #957 of 1913 🔗

Ex-customer.

I agree with you , but I am just a little concerned that you could end up alienating a lot of people if you do this too often.

I am self employed, and though in my work I don’t usually meet my clients face to face, I nevertheless never discuss my views on this with them. And if they come out with the corona nonsense I bite my lip.

263987 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to John P, 30, #958 of 1913 🔗

There’ll be another nasty Trip Adviser review. However I think k should be able to say what she believes knowing full well it will cost her some custom. I’d like to see pubs and restaurants able to decide which way to go. I’d pay a premium for a “no masks allowed” setting.
Presumably at the moment it’s all takeaway.

264017 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 27, #959 of 1913 🔗

Thanks Steph. I’m just being honest and if these people come into my shop spouting all this stuff about people not behaving themselves in the manner of Lady sodding Bracknell (and you know just what type of person she is referring to … all the little plebby people, not educated, sophisticated types like her, oh no) then I feel duty-bound to to respond. No doubt her income is secure, mine isn’t.

264023 ▶▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to kh1485, 12, #960 of 1913 🔗

She’ll no doubt mean delivery drivers, plumbers binmen etc all the people she could NOT do without. Detest snobbery of any kind.

264034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to KBuchanan, 15, #961 of 1913 🔗

Haha yes – like that woman on Question Time a while back. Aghast at the prospect of leaving the EU because of the plentiful supply of migrant workers, ‘who is going to give me my coffee in Pret a Manger’?’ she said. 🙂

264101 ▶▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to steph, 7, #962 of 1913 🔗

Or a vaccine free one. Why shouldn’t us unwashed “virus spreaders” be able to socialise if we all agree to take “the risk”

263996 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to John P, 54, #963 of 1913 🔗

The thing is she started the conversation, I didn’t. I have never been a forelock-tugger and I am not going to start now. I am not going to kow-tow to some woman who views the likes of me with barely-concealed contempt, yet wishes to avail herself of the services I offer – i.e. treating people as human beings and not diseased pieces of filth. If she wanted bovine compliance, she could have gone to any one of the other coffee shops in the town.

And don’t forget John, my business is potentially one of the ones that the government is deeming non-viable. I will go down fighting for what I have worked hard for and I will remain true to what I believe to be right. As long as my regulars are happy, if I offend a few of the entitled monied-classes out there, so be it.

264006 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 29, #964 of 1913 🔗

Your coffee shop sounds great. Some old fashioned humanity. I’m sick of being treated like a biohazard by shops

264028 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, 11, #965 of 1913 🔗

Exactly right. Not every single person will be your customer. Not everybody should be your customer. Focus on the good ones, your niche, your market, the rest will follow. Well done for keep fighting the good fight. 🙂

264220 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 5, #966 of 1913 🔗

I wish we had business owners like you who are willing to speak truth and fight hard. I’d gladly frequent a shop like yours.

264230 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to kh1485, 2, #967 of 1913 🔗

In the words of Bill and Ted – most excellent dude!

264205 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 4, #968 of 1913 🔗

Biting your lip is compliance.
Just ask them a simple question, such as how many people do you know who’ve been made very ill by it? The answer is usually “none.”

264615 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #969 of 1913 🔗

The problem is I know at least one individual who ‘knows someone who had it, or at least they think they had it because they couldn’t get tested’ and will use that as a platform to portray you as the paradigm of evil because their acquaintance went through hell (now fully recovered) and dahadahdah…

264386 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John P, 4, #970 of 1913 🔗

If people don’t soon get to grips with the reality of what’s going on, there will soon be no customers for k, or anybody else.

263976 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 13, #971 of 1913 🔗

You should implement an on-the-spot surcharge for all zombie customers. Effectively a fine for ignorance.

263979 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to kh1485, 10, #972 of 1913 🔗

No Karens policy required.

264012 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #973 of 1913 🔗

Naff orff I’m a Karen and a/ think this is nonsense on a stick and b/ Tire of the anti white working class women ( US imported) anti Karen meme. It’s old , unoriginal and nasty nasty.

264452 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #974 of 1913 🔗

Try being called John, and travelling in the United States.

Over here, people only get dumped if they’re call John apparently.

263984 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 36, #975 of 1913 🔗

I deployed my killer remark: “well, I find it odd that, bearing in mind you believe there to be a killer disease out there, you are still willing to risk your life to come out for a cup of tea”

Nice one, k.

I had a very similar conversation with one yesterday who also said, “ if we’d all followed the rules in the Spring, etc, etc “. She went on to say that it was nice we were, “ getting a break for Christmas “. Like you, I replied along the lines of, “ but you said this disease was deadly, but not deadly enough that it can take a week off? ” Her reply? “ Yes, but it’s Christmas; that’s different!

Whooooosh!

264234 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 6, #976 of 1913 🔗

Love it. She should be at home in self-isolation. These things make me laugh out loud, I’m sorry, I can’t take them seriously.

264015 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, 18, #977 of 1913 🔗

Love this. Massive respect to you.
Yes I’m hearing increasingly, “just follow the rules & the thing will be gone soon..” as if by magic.. of course that’s exactly how life works, if people had just followed a couple of rules TB would have been eradicated thousands of years ago! (sarc.)
Whenever someone spouts off about social distancing, I ask them if they’ve avoided chip & pin machines for the last 9 months. Invariably the answer is absolutely not, – they seem petrified of the virus jumping from person to person (via clothing?, I’m never quite sure) yet seemingly have no problem touching plastic terminals &/or touch screens, that 50,100 other people probably have smeared their hands all over.

264033 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 16, #978 of 1913 🔗

I watched in amazement as a woman struggled to open a swing gate latch with her elbow recently, out in the countryside, she did this strange little dance too while doing it. Insane.

I had to laugh then try to do the same thing with obviously a lot more theatre involved.

264237 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Two-Six, 4, #979 of 1913 🔗

Write a comedy sketch and write it here.

264376 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #980 of 1913 🔗

I went to the post office the other day. I passed six parcels to her, which she touched; then a banknote which she touched, then my change, which she touched, then my receipts. Good job she had a mask on though, otherwise she might have caught Covid.

264046 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 15, #981 of 1913 🔗

Perhaps you could have a covid safe area, a partitioned off section, lined with polythene so you can hose it down with disinfectant between customers, one plastic table and chair, and a hatch to pass (with a gloved hand) food and drinks through on paper plates and paper cups with plastic cutlery.
You could just serve then a microwave meal, or canned soup, just to be safe.

The customer could enter and leave via a special door that leads directly to the outside.

The covid viromaniacs could then dine in perfect safety and no doubt leave you some very positive reviews that could boost your tripadvisor ratings.

A few bits of 2×4 and plasterboard and your laughing!
A little covid safe dining pod. Very zeitgiesty too.

264284 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 6, #982 of 1913 🔗

The irony is, that’s what everyone else is doing, yet she chose to come to our gaff.

264622 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Two-Six, #983 of 1913 🔗

Please literally hose them. Regularly. And put the area outside or at least with a lot of ventilation in the bleak mid-winter. You could maybe insist on them wearing visors to be slightly merciful.

264356 ▶▶ c s, replying to kh1485, #984 of 1913 🔗

great comment

263980 John P, replying to John P, 6, #985 of 1913 🔗

Just had a “to the occupier” letter from my city council.

Junk mail. Ripped up and in the bin. Unopened.

264225 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to John P, 1, #986 of 1913 🔗

Confess I used the PM’s letter in March about Covid as substandard bog roll on account of the fact I had run out.

264361 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Jo Dominich -, #987 of 1913 🔗

You keep and use substandard big roll?

263999 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 7, #988 of 1913 🔗

This is the kind of parliamentarians we are up against

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1331239071201562624?s=19

264007 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to smileymiley, 4, #989 of 1913 🔗

Oh hey, is it Guillotine o’clock already?
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264032 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to smileymiley, 3, #990 of 1913 🔗

That’s the line crossed then. Gloves off

That can’t seriously be genuine can it?

264039 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to smileymiley, 1, #991 of 1913 🔗

contradicts herself, you couldn’t make it up

264044 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to smileymiley, 1, #992 of 1913 🔗

Some of the posts supporting her position were even more repulsive.

The level of mendacity and ignorance is off the charts. We are in very dangerous times.

264045 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to smileymiley, 7, #993 of 1913 🔗

So, this is the key part from the Nadine Dorries email – as someone already said the gloves are off.

264064 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #994 of 1913 🔗

Short term. Right.

264074 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to leggy, 4, #995 of 1913 🔗

Exactly. A conspiracy theorist (Max Igan) said back in April that if you refuse the vaccine, you will be in lockdown in perpetuity. Herd immunity will never be achieved because there will be new strains requiring further vaccinations.

These coercive measures will guarantee 90% compliance. Therefore the only way out of this for those of us who refuse is severe adverse reactions amongst the vaccinated on such a scale that they create a backlash. Maybe even that won’t be enough. People are so far gone, who is to say that it will make a blind bit of difference?

264090 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Richard O, 2, #996 of 1913 🔗

Plus this will turn the rest of the population against the sceptics as we’ll will be holding out, preventing vaccine-induced herd immunity which will be the only thing allowed for the world to go back to “normal”. At least that is how the Government will spin it.

264213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to zacaway, 3, #997 of 1913 🔗

You’re absolutely right, but we just need to hold out long enough for the vaccines to wreak their havoc.

264269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #998 of 1913 🔗

If the vaccines cause that much damage it will somehow be spun as being due to covid-21 and therefore the reason why we need the next vaccine.

Harm caused by the vaccine will not be acknowledged. In that respect it will be treated in much the same way as any other injury caused by NHS treatment.

264438 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #999 of 1913 🔗

And hopefully, for ‘long mask’ to start to really bite …

264211 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 4, #1000 of 1913 🔗

Sad that it has come to this, but I have to hope that tens of thousands of people will be seriously injured from these vaccines. I was never a person who would wish ill on others, but this is a war and people must pick a side. I will have zero empathy for anyone who suffers the consequences of being vaccinated, but I will thank them for their service to the rest of humanity when, inevitably, these vaccines are pulled from the market and we are vindicated.

264440 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1001 of 1913 🔗

YaY!

264086 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1002 of 1913 🔗
264132 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to zacaway, #1003 of 1913 🔗

Top of Charts Christmas Song!

264223 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1004 of 1913 🔗

What is she saying exactly? Anyone without a vaccine is infectious to someone else by default? I’m sorry I have to laugh at this. Bring on that lawsuit. She’s on cloud cuckoo land. She would have to prove how a healthy person is endangering other people unless of course its Wancock, Witless Unbalanced and Johnson and herself. This is the stuff of comedy. I might right a sketch for the Lockdown ‘comic’ I write for a few friends once a month!

264612 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1005 of 1913 🔗

Willing to share, Jo ?

264447 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, #1006 of 1913 🔗

WOW this woman is pure poison and really really thick. Only somebody so thick and so evil could come out with shit like this. Bitch.

264011 tonyspurs, 2, #1007 of 1913 🔗

Share to any pro- lockdown people you know,
Oops already posted below
https://youtu.be/nuDQ_3g53qc

264013 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 12, #1008 of 1913 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich starts German lawsuit against the SARS-CoV-2 PCR test.
https://youtu.be/ZpOzHHJmy7g

Listen to the last few minutes it is very encouraging and he is naming names.

264118 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, 4, #1009 of 1913 🔗

That’s a great video. I hope Dr Fuellmich has a bullet proof vest. But it seems to me it’s MSM and Social media who are the real block to telling the Truth about Covid. When you think of the incredible amount of money that has been passed around some people out there are becoming even richer at OUR expense. Every mask, sanitiser, PCR test etc. makes money for someone, every business that goes broke someone makes a killing. No doubt our political class are enriching themselves as well. Where will it all end? I f there is any justice those responsible will spend a long time in prison.

264454 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, #1010 of 1913 🔗

I hope he doesn’t have any sport bags lying about or a balcony, or stairs, or a shower.

264605 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #1011 of 1913 🔗

He’s pretty high profile by now.

I reckon the German intelligence dudes, who I’m informed are better than most, would take it personal if someone had a pop at him.

264020 Suburbian, 16, #1012 of 1913 🔗

Am I right in saying this is the first covid legal case against the government where the government lost? https://article39.org.uk/2020/11/24/court-of-appeal-rules-education-secretary-acted-unlawfully-in-removing-safeguards-for-children-in-care/

read it and use your crystal ball to see what will follow

I am hugely relieved and overjoyed that the Court of Appeal has confirmed that children and young people, and the organisations who represent their rights and interests, must be consulted when the government is considering changes to their legal rights and protections.”

264021 tonyspurs, 11, #1013 of 1913 🔗

Very good video by Ivor Cummings comparing the smearing and ridicule of sceptics today to the smearing and ridicule of the abolitionists in the 18th century

https://youtu.be/hyDsjHZHsGc

264031 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 15, #1014 of 1913 🔗

I run a number of small groups studying New Testament Greek and Latin.
Every year we have small conference at a conference centre, the conference runs from Friday afternoon until Monday afternoon.
The conference has now been running for six years so the conference next year will be our seventh.
Everyone is very keen and we have several study sessions and a full communion service on Sunday morning including readings from the Bible in Hebrew, Greek, English and Syriac.
All good fun and hard work!

The next conference would have been in May 2021 but with the recent nonsense from this government I requested a postponement to October. The conference centre agreed to this and said there would be no charge.

That was the good news.

Although it is very difficult for anyone to predict how things will be next October, they were able to indicate how the conference MIGHT work since they were able to open for a limited time in October, though they are now closed until April 1 2021.

So here is how it will operate assuming that conditions are the same as in October 2020:
1. We will be able to have the three rooms as before but:
a. the large room accommodates 40 in ‘theatre style’. The number is ok for us but we need tables for study. In fact we have different arrangements at different times. We can have tables, but due to anti-social distancing requirements tables need to be separated.
b. there is a need to segregate in ‘bubbles’. I didn’t pursue this
c. one smaller room would accommodate 8 but only in ‘theatre style’ without tables, and the usual anti-social distancing nonsense.
2. For breakfast lunch and dinner each meal is handed out in separate packages and sharing is not possible. Nor is any ‘help yourself’. The staff are kitted out in full PPE while serving meals. This, of course, creates more waste.
3. Tables are allocated individually and need to be cleaned (by their staff) after each use. I think this is for tea and coffee breaks.
4. Masks face-nappies must be worn, presumably not while one is eating. If one has an exemption one needs to carry the exemption as staff will challenge mask face-nappy free guests.
5. I forgot to ask about running a communion service and whether the bar is open.

I have only one word to describe all this – horrible.

I am not sure that it is legal for the staff to challenge exemptions, but I am not a legal expert.

All of the fun and joy has been systematically destroyed.

I am acutely aware that my problems are as nothing compared to the difficulties that others have, but they are none the less real to me.

All I can hope for is that all (preferably) or most of this nonsense will be removed by October next year.

It is abundantly clear to me (I shall be writing to my MP about this) that MPs and civil servants do not care a fig for all of the troubles that they heap on the long-suffering public, and WE pay their inflated salaries and gold-plated, mink-lined (even more expensive now), diamond-encrusted index-linked pensions.

To say that I hold this government in complete contempt is a very mild way of putting it.

264041 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Stephanos, 4, #1015 of 1913 🔗

It sounds like a comedy skit poking fun at OCD sufferers. All it takes is a moments contemplation to realise how absurd it all is.

264052 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, 2, #1016 of 1913 🔗

Dr Hilary (on Good Morning Britain) months ago said we all had to behave as though we have obsessive compulsive disorder.

264112 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1017 of 1913 🔗

That’s right. A doctor recommending that we should behave as if we have a serious mental illness. Welcome to 2020 everybody.

264083 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Achilles, #1018 of 1913 🔗

Would that it were a comedy skit.

264072 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Stephanos, #1019 of 1913 🔗

I wouldn’t even be entertaining any of that.

264558 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, #1020 of 1913 🔗

Horrible, indeed.
Zoom isn’t marvellous, but it would be better than such a hideous shambles.

264053 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 11, #1021 of 1913 🔗

Interesting how the police didn’t care about the photographers gathered around together earlier today, but as soon as Piers Corbyn arrives, public safety matters all of a sudden. Whether you agree with Piers or not this is 100% political policing, dissent against the regime and its friends is banned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZLtg8HHBA
Bill Gates HQ London | Piers Corbyn speech

264068 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 21, #1022 of 1913 🔗

I have lost all faith in the police. They are traitors to the British people. I’m not sure why I’m so surprised, this is the norm worldwide almost without exception.

264082 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 7, #1023 of 1913 🔗

People talk about artificial intelligence as if it’s something new.

A policeman – or a soldier – is essentially a robot, an unthinking machine, implementing the algorithms which others have written for him.

264159 ▶▶▶▶ Broken Cornets, replying to calchas, 4, #1024 of 1913 🔗

Beneath the trained obedience most are as human as anyone. Hostility makes it easier for them to view you as an enemy.

If everyone chanted “We love the police!” at protests it would confuse the hell out of them (and make life difficult for the provocateurs).

Anger simply plays into their hands. Respond to their aggression with friendly smiles.

264226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Broken Cornets, 4, #1025 of 1913 🔗

They held a minutes silence for the police officer who was killed in Croydon back in August before a Trafalgar Square protest.

Within a couple of hours the Territorial Support Group had hospitalised a couple of protestors and made someone in handcuffs pass out after kneeling on them too long. They are brainwashed to hate.

There might be a few good police officers out there but the TSG are mostly psychopaths who like hurting people. The senior level of the Met are a very sinister common purpose trained bunch.

264862 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, #1026 of 1913 🔗

Exactly.
Last weekend, the brutality of the Truro police, whose commissioner is formerly of the Met and clearly Common Purpose trained, contrasted starkly with the efficient non-violence of the police in Bristol and Liverpool.

264859 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Broken Cornets, #1027 of 1913 🔗

They tried that in Trafalgar Square. 2 minutes silence for the murdered policeman.
The ordinary cops were absolutely fine, peaceful and friendly but then Dick’s Thugs Supreme Group waded in with batons……

We need to be very careful we do no alienate our potential allies while being very aware of who are our real enemies.

264104 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Darryl, 3, #1028 of 1913 🔗

Did Piers get arresred in the end ? – couldn’t be sure from the video.

Police behaviour shocking – but restrained I would say. Clearly 100% political.

264235 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bill h, #1029 of 1913 🔗

Didn’t look like it but perhaps he has been since. He has a Twitter ban so difficult to find anything out. Piers is in court on Friday so I expect they weren’t too bothered about arresting him today.

264847 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 1, #1030 of 1913 🔗

Hard to believe that’s in England – today!

Piers Corbyn is amazing, and keeps so cool.
I have so much respect for him. He certainly walks the talk.

264060 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 12, #1031 of 1913 🔗

Important: Judge says these kids have been disregarded as a result of decisions taken too swiftly and not incorporating correct organisations in decisions made…
https://article39.org.uk/2020/11/24/court-of-appeal-rules-education-secretary-acted-unlawfully-in-removing-safeguards-for-children-in-care/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

264066 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #1032 of 1913 🔗

Hopefully this will give us a chance to get rid of face nappies in schools..I really hope so.

264146 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1033 of 1913 🔗

More generally, I would hope that the courts begin to firm up the role of statutory specific protections, as well those involving more general human rights.

Given the feeble level of press scrutiny, the judiciary is the last bastion of protection against overweening and dictatorial government.

264178 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, 4, #1034 of 1913 🔗

Rick H. It is heartening to read the Judge’s comments that the decisions were taken too swiftly and without incorporating correct organisations in decision making. It’s just the same as the present situation. It seems we have legal precedent for this situation now too.

264071 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 8, #1035 of 1913 🔗

Update from Defund the BBC campaign :

Brilliant news: we’ve reached 100,000 followers on Twitter in five short months, making Defund the BBC one of the fastest growing campaigns of recent years. So thank you all for making that possible.

However, there is a huge amount of resistance from the establishment: those with power, who really don’t like change. Those who would prefer that people like you were forced to keep paying for something that they do not want. Those that think the ‘great unwashed’ need to be told what to think and how to feel because they’re two thick to know better or their views too unpalatable.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/defund-the-bbc

Hopefully there aren’t many LS readers who are still funding one of biggest lockdown cheerleaders, but if you want to stop the process is not too difficult – details are here:
https://www.defundbbc.uk/defund-the-bbc-in-5-steps/

264608 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to zacaway, #1036 of 1913 🔗

Follow the tweet but lead for yourself, cancel the DD its so easy, then ignore the emails and letters. they promise to come visit but they havent. Stand up for yourself directly

264073 Ben, 6, #1037 of 1913 🔗

Sue Cook’s pinned tweet hits the nail on the head. Below she questions social media bots

https://twitter.com/SueC00K/status/1330924348509655043?s=20

264077 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1038 of 1913 🔗

Any clues as to why the weekly ‘registered’ deaths figure is 18.4% above the five year average in the figures out today?

In Week 46, the number of deaths registered was 18.4% above the five-year average (1,904 deaths higher).’

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

Deaths have been 10% or so above the five year average for a few weeks now but the age distribution seems completely normal?

I would be very interested in any explanation for this?

264089 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #1039 of 1913 🔗

Lock down related deaths?

264131 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to leggy, 7, #1040 of 1913 🔗

Indeed. People not able, or too scared, to go to hospital for treatment; people in old folks homes dying of despair, etc. Mask-related infections. Lack of exercise. Excessive drinking.

It could also be a slightly-worse than normal flu season – with all flu deaths being recorded as Covid, obviously.

At some point we may also begin to see the lethal effects of people’s immune systems dropping away through lack of constant, mild exposure to other people’s viruses.

264129 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #1041 of 1913 🔗

It’s nothing exceptional, given that the five year average spans a period of notably low mortality, which is on a general cyclic upturn if you plot a proper regression trend.

In terms of a longer baseline (quarter century) mortality is around the median and/or mean.

It would not be at all surprising to see this level of mortality – particularly now that the lockdown deaths will be beginning to play a significant role, with health services still operating below optimum.

264140 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1042 of 1913 🔗

900+ over the 5 year average in private homes needs looking into.

264240 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Tim Bidie, #1043 of 1913 🔗

See my previous predictions. They are 22.5% above 10-year average. Raised in every region and every adult age band. This follows from the increase in COVID19 hospital admissions since September. They will stabilise to <50% above 10-year mean. Influenza has been replaced by COVID19.

264592 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to djaustin, #1044 of 1913 🔗

Mark Twain refers.

There is a growing body of evidence that lockdown is part of the problem, not the solution:

‘Via its Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease.

With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’

NHS England told hospitals to clear beds again 18 September……….

265083 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Tim Bidie, #1046 of 1913 🔗

They weren’t clearing out 15-44yo though, surely? Excess mortality is raised in all age groups above 15 years old. It’s not just the over 85 who are dying in greater numbers. The previous policy was a disaster of course I don’t think you’ll find anyone who believes that ring of steel nonsense.

264084 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #1047 of 1913 🔗

Ridiculous article from a rabbi on the Spectator
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-jewish-view-on-lifting-lockdown-for-christmas

She’s still in the March mindset

264563 ▶▶ annie, replying to Censored Dog, 1, #1048 of 1913 🔗

Not rabbi.
Rabbit.
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264085 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 4, #1049 of 1913 🔗
264642 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddy, #1050 of 1913 🔗

The only problem is that there has definitely been something that killed elderly patients in an unexpected way.
Remember the US doctor who said the symptoms were more like altitude sickness than a respiratory infection.
Dr Malcolm Kendrick describing how he’d visit someone in a care home because they had become confused. Hee said they weren’t distressed. One minute they’d be talking and the next minute they’d be dead. He said he hadn’t come across anything like it.
Personally, I thought it sounded a much nicer way to die than endstage heart failure or Parkinsons.

I do keep wondering if there was something in last year’s flu jab ……

264088 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1051 of 1913 🔗

Would @NadineDorries please comment?

“if you chose not to take the vaccine, then you will face short-term restrictions to prevent you infecting anyone else until society has achieved herd immunity”

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1331239071201562624

264094 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 13, #1052 of 1913 🔗

I find that horrifyingly chilling.

264238 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 5, #1053 of 1913 🔗

Whilst I’ve given some of the MPs the benefit of the doubt about not being as dense as they appear (just lazy) I truly think Dorries is as thick as mince and hopefully we don’t have have to pay too much attention to her mad ramblings. She’s pretty evil too but not smart enough to carry it off.

264267 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to steph, 4, #1054 of 1913 🔗

Perhaps she or her office is Hancock’s mouthpiece. She’s stupid enough to trot out any line that the quad told her to peddle.

264095 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Victoria, 9, #1055 of 1913 🔗

Absolutely mental and surely illegal to use coercion like that?

264108 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, 9, #1056 of 1913 🔗

Certainly illegal under Human Rights ledgislation.

The woman is a public menace, with no hold on reality – I think the case for forcible restraint is for her.

264201 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 4, #1057 of 1913 🔗

She was always referred to as ‘Mad Nad’ on Guido!

264096 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 2, #1058 of 1913 🔗

Or you pays your money and takes your choice – LIKE NORMAL!

264098 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Victoria, 4, #1059 of 1913 🔗

Which won’t be until everyone takes it, funnily enough. As The Science dictates that is only achievable with a “vaccine”.

264144 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to DRW, 4, #1060 of 1913 🔗

Right. And guess who will be Public Enemy No 1 until we all take it? All those sceptics not getting with the program. More divide & conquer.

264160 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to zacaway, 3, #1061 of 1913 🔗

Hey, they might just find there isn’t much take up for the vaccine in any event and I am beginning to believe this might actually be the case. I think she’s talking rubbish frankly, utter tosh.

264189 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Jo Dominich -, 5, #1062 of 1913 🔗

I hope you’re right! As with the masks and other bollocks, I think they will try to get business to do the dirty work of enforcement, we just need enough of them to ignore it.

264209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to zacaway, 4, #1063 of 1913 🔗

And I think they will.

264100 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 7, #1064 of 1913 🔗

One wonders what permanent restrictions you will face if you take the vaccine.

264147 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to calchas, 6, #1065 of 1913 🔗

Possibly a life of autoimmune issues, or worse. I’ll hunker down until the magical vaccine proves to be not so magical.

264107 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Victoria, 6, #1066 of 1913 🔗

Bur surely this is just another one of those conspiracy theories?

264158 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Eddy, 7, #1067 of 1913 🔗

It’s a conspiracy all right, but it’s no longer just a theory. I saw this one coming back in April and tried to tell people that the “it’s just a piece of cloth over your face” would not end there. The principle is the same: you must comply for the sake of the collective. It’s a very slippery slope.

264109 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Victoria, 12, #1068 of 1913 🔗

Fuck it, let’s get this civil war started already.

264117 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #1069 of 1913 🔗

Yes, if they take away all meaning in life this is all that is left. The govt need to retreat.

264168 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to JHuntz, 6, #1070 of 1913 🔗

Do you know, given Wancock’s uncertainty in Parliament today methinks the CRG group are mobilising big time. We need to be seriously optimistic because she seems to be acting without any authority at all. The time for threatening the public is coming to an end. Of course, negotiation, intelligence and cooperation are way beyond their skill sets.

264301 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1071 of 1913 🔗

I want to join the resistance. Can’t we blow up a few buildings like they did in WW2?

264115 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, 1, #1072 of 1913 🔗

Sounds like an aspiration by a fantasist rather than anything likely to happen

264134 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1073 of 1913 🔗

What’s to stop it happening, given how the world has changed in the last 9 months?

264164 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to zacaway, 2, #1074 of 1913 🔗

What’s to stop it happening, incompetence, judging from the fiasco so far

264170 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Dan Clarke, #1075 of 1913 🔗

Spot on.

264195 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1076 of 1913 🔗

I can believe incompetence will save us. Let’s hope they try to implement the vaccine tracking system in Excel, will crap out after the first 65536 people.

264584 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, 1, #1077 of 1913 🔗

Your fundamental rights to choose whether or not you take the vaccine do not include the right to endanger others.

Surely that could apply more convincingly to car driving or ice skating?

264102 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #1078 of 1913 🔗

‘Deaths in UK ‘a fifth higher than normal levels’, see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55057380

What is interesting is the degree of lockdown scepticism in the ‘Comments’ on this article.

264110 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #1079 of 1913 🔗

Yes, it’s encouraging that the comments suggest more people are waking up on a weekly basis. The comments will probably get disabled once they realise.

264123 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1080 of 1913 🔗

Sounds like the censorbot hasn’t been updated yet.

264120 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 9, #1081 of 1913 🔗

BBC commentards are the sheepiest sheep in all of sheependom. This is encouraging.

264143 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1082 of 1913 🔗

You should have seen my former employer’s intranet and Yammer with literal professionals.

264197 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to DRW, 1, #1083 of 1913 🔗

Yammer, I’m sure at every organisation it’s just a place for parroting the company line. Occasionally you do get someone ‘going rogue’ and tagging the CEO or their boss in a rant though, which can be entertaining to read.

264217 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1084 of 1913 🔗

Insufferable virtue partying too.

264330 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1085 of 1913 🔗

Heh. One of my (ex-) colleagues tagged the whole of the UK board and the whole of the transatlantic board. Very entertaining, the longest resignation letter I’ve ever seen. 🙂

264380 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1086 of 1913 🔗

You lot do make me chuckle

264578 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1087 of 1913 🔗

Very encouraging, Those comments are well-informed and extremely scathing.

264153 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #1088 of 1913 🔗

Did it say that those were due to older pepole being left to die in care homes without hospital admission or treatment and as a result of DNR notices or that there thousands and thousands of deaths of people who were refused life saving treatments and operations as a result of the NHS being shut between March and July?

264156 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #1089 of 1913 🔗

The comments are more interesting than the article

264103 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #1090 of 1913 🔗

Watch this video

I love my mask because it is a simple yet effective way to display my righteousness ………

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1331113006399451138

264165 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 5, #1091 of 1913 🔗

Brilliant!

“I prefer to call anyone who speaks up, fights back, or stands their ground a lunatic or a conspiracy theorist so that I don’t feel obligated to do my own research.”

264505 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1092 of 1913 🔗

“Research intrudes on ME time”

264565 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #1093 of 1913 🔗

I think that’s my MP’s excuse

264691 ▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Cheezilla, #1094 of 1913 🔗

I think that’s Boris’ excuse.

264105 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1095 of 1913 🔗

Madness part 179: I gave blood 2 weeks ago and the BD service insisted that I wear a fabric mask.
Wife went for an X-ray today and presented herself at reception with fabric mask:”Oh no, no fabric masks, you must wear a disposable one”
As Mr Spock said “totally illogical, Captain”

264113 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1096 of 1913 🔗

I noticed that in the walk in centre at the hospital a few weeks ago when my mum cut her finger open. They asked anyone with a mask from home to take it off and wear a surgical mask instead.

264116 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1097 of 1913 🔗

“Unbelievably illogical, Captain” as Mr Spock didn’t say, but should have done.

264135 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1098 of 1913 🔗

Regulating mask type is the next step in the creeping totalitarianism.

After that the next step is regulating mask fit.

264145 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1099 of 1913 🔗

It will be done by then. The NHS are so incompetent they are making it up as they go along.

264214 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1101 of 1913 🔗

“It’s life Jim, but not as we know it”

264250 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to calchas, #1102 of 1913 🔗

You can say that again, well, for a bit longer , you can before that is banned too.

264559 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1103 of 1913 🔗

Actually I can see the logic of that. Cloth face nappies are serious germ carriers an dpeople fiddle with them all the time.
It makes some sense to be asked to wear a clean muzzle and then dispose of it while in a clinical situation. Exactly the same pronciple as being asked to gel your hands as you enter a hospital.
However, it only makes sense if you are offered gel after removing your dirty cloth muzzle and before touching the disposable one. Otherwise it’s just a ritual.

264119 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 47, #1104 of 1913 🔗

HUGE BREAKING NEWS!!!
Court of Appeal rules that Gavin Williamson acted UNLAWFULLY in removing safeguards for children in care.

https://article39.org.uk/2020/11/24/court-of-appeal-rules-education-secretary-acted-unlawfully-in-removing-safeguards-for-children-in-care/

This is an unbelievable precedent set…

Government ministers can and WILL be held to account by the judicial system… while we have one!!

264126 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #1105 of 1913 🔗

Great post. Thanks for the information

264142 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #1106 of 1913 🔗

That’s a great precedent now for this fiasco inasmuch as Government Ministers can be held to be acting unlawfully and this is against him individually. Keep those Judicial Reviews rolling.

264162 ▶▶ DRW, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #1107 of 1913 🔗

Finally they actually grow some bloody teeth. Let’s hope this makes another crack in the dam.

264259 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to DRW, 7, #1108 of 1913 🔗

I can find nothing about the circumstances that existed in March 2020 to justify the Secretary of State’s decision (if indeed any conscious decision was made) to exclude…
That innocuous-looking little parenthesis is perhaps anything but innocuous, more a damning understatement of ministerial negligence. Ouch!

264261 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1109 of 1913 🔗

Tears of joy!

264317 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #1110 of 1913 🔗

Well done Article39 !

264545 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1111 of 1913 🔗

Wonderful. Let’s hope that’s the start of things to come.

264121 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 36, #1112 of 1913 🔗

Tradewinds Travel:

We have made a company decision today to not sell any @Qantas flights, even on a code share, following their announcement of no vaccination, no flight. There are far superior airlines with flights to #Australia

https://twitter.com/UKTwinds/status/1330927922362933250
.

Australians are threatening to boycott Qantas over Mandatory Coli Vaccination Rule

https://twitter.com/UKTwinds/status/1331252125326864384

264127 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Victoria, 23, #1113 of 1913 🔗

I like it. Hit these bastards where it hurts them most. Even if they retract their policy, still boycott them for life.

264137 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 11, #1114 of 1913 🔗

While I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to travel outside my own country again, I have so many countries on my boycott list now I’m not sure where I’d even want to go should the opportunity arise. I might be left with Sweden and Tanzania, and maybe some red states if the border between the US and Canada ever re-opens to car traffic.

264167 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 11, #1115 of 1913 🔗

You make a good point. I have boycotted all public transport on account of their zealous embracing of all the regulations. Even if they all get lifted, why should Transport for London ever get another penny from me (let alone all the scumbag airlines)?

264252 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Richard O, 3, #1116 of 1913 🔗

I haven’t owned a car in years (never needed one living in London) but bought one at the start of Lockdown II just to stick it to TfL. Makes me sick seeing platforms full of masked people. And the Tube is just Soviet now, with only Government propoganda posters along the tunnels, instead of ads for shows.

264204 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #1117 of 1913 🔗

Tanzaniar, Zanzibar, most Latin American countries – Nicaragua have no restrictions at all.

264603 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1118 of 1913 🔗

Interesting about Nicaragua. just be careful if you see Oliver North around though…

264335 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1119 of 1913 🔗

I agree – I used to enjoy visiting Spain, which was the last country I was in before the madness started, but never again. I’ll never forgive them for how badly they treated their own people (especially children, locked up for so long), and I would not feel comfortable being there.

My background is mainly Swedish and while I’m proud of how they’ve handled this so far, I’m concerned about where things are going and can say that there is very little in the way of libertarianism there. The main reason for the lack of an overreaction to the Rona is the constitutional obstacle to interfering with public agencies. Swedes are actually quite conformist, though they can be very stubborn on some matters (!), so I hope the latter trait dominates here. Sweden in the summer is wonderful to visit, though it’s not cheap.

I grew up in Minnesota, which borders your province (as you know), but it sounds like it’s nearly as bad as Ontario when it comes to overreaction. My Swedish stepfather was initially sceptical but has been at least somewhat brainwashed by the media propaganda and is not online, so he’s not seeing any critical content. I’ve nearly given up.

South Dakota, however, sounds great!

264833 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1120 of 1913 🔗

We have a lot in common! My husband and I were in Spain for a month from mid-February and had to cut the trip short to get back in mid-March just before Spain locked down hard. It was our go-to place but, like you, I can’t imagine going back there after how horribly totalitarian they became. Ontario is, indeed, awful but no more so than a lot of places these days.

264176 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Victoria, 4, #1121 of 1913 🔗

Don’t threaten to boycott it, just boycott it!

264266 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Victoria, 3, #1122 of 1913 🔗

The free market speaks!

264312 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Victoria, 4, #1123 of 1913 🔗

Amazing – I’ve visited Australia three times and find the people, with a shocking devotion to the tyranny of health and safety (and an inability to think freely), to be the most authoritarian in the Western world. Australia really is a ‘nanny state’ on steroids. I’m impressed to see some resistance.

264475 ▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Victoria, 1, #1124 of 1913 🔗

Qantas has been bailed out by Aussie Govt. They will buckle when people boycott, it only takes one other airline to break ranks. It’s not sustainable.

264122 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 15, #1125 of 1913 🔗

More on the Oxford Vaccine. We now know why it is being pushed so hard – Handsy over-ordered without authorisation:

Matt Hancock overruled officials to order millions of extra Oxford Covid vaccines, says Grant Shapps (telegraph.co.uk)

‘On Tuesday, it emerged that Mr Hancock, the Health Secretary, persuaded Government officials to buy far more stocks of the AstraZeneca jab than had been intended’

Now why might he have done that?

264133 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1126 of 1913 🔗

Lt Gruber never did have any brains did he?

264154 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #1127 of 1913 🔗

Or will these be our ‘gift’ to the third world when Doris, King of the World, is the President of the G7 next year, ably assisted by Lord Handsy of the Oxford Vaccine Group?

264200 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1128 of 1913 🔗

Well you know, Doris likes to give generously to the poor such as burning £50 notes in front of homeless people.

264371 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1129 of 1913 🔗

No but he did have ‘a liddle tenk’

264557 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1130 of 1913 🔗

Don’t know about that; he married Helga in the end. 😉

264150 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1131 of 1913 🔗

I wonder who might have shared in Astra Zeneca?

264161 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Will, 3, #1132 of 1913 🔗

Looks as though he was long of the wrong stock. The smart money was long Moderna and short AstraZeneca and Pfizer.

264332 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1133 of 1913 🔗

his excuse will be that someone else ‘must have hacked it’ or he didnt know the difference between a decimal point and a comma

264523 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1134 of 1913 🔗

Grant Shapps the convicted internet fraudster is now stabbing handycock in the back, “it was him!”
Sneaky slimeball.

264125 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 80, #1135 of 1913 🔗

A a coronavirus Marshall in my area had all four Tyres on his car slashed and his front living room windows put in..Oh Dear What a Pity Never Mind.

264128 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 35, #1136 of 1913 🔗

Nice to hear that Neighbourhood Watch is still alive and kicking.

264136 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Richard O, 13, #1137 of 1913 🔗

And slashing and smashing..

264130 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 23, #1138 of 1913 🔗

Now, that really is something to smile about. I hope you destroyed your disguise!!

264138 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bruce Reynolds, 19, #1139 of 1913 🔗

Never mind, I’m sure that his arm band bought him great comfort.

264148 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #1140 of 1913 🔗

And his 30 pieces of Silver.

264141 ▶▶ Will, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 25, #1141 of 1913 🔗

That has cheered me up on a shite day.

264172 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #1142 of 1913 🔗

Well you can only piss people off so much. I watch with interest what happens if they really do try to make vaccines constructively compulsory. I suspect a lot worse than that

264182 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Jakehadlee, 14, #1143 of 1913 🔗

Time to dust of the old sex pistols 45 and place it on the turntable.. ANARCHY IN THE UK ..FUCKING YES.

264231 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 21, #1144 of 1913 🔗

Interesting. I thought it would be cops first.

My post on 8th November: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/08/latest-news-187/#comment-236261

This is going to end very badly for the Police. They are very quickly (if they have not already) lost the public.

Police bosses need to stop and have a real good think to themselves and realise they are being played by the Government.

Forgive me if you think I’m exagerrating. Off duty police are going to start getting attacked by gangs; police are going to start getting their windows put in.

I would not want to be a cop at the moment.

264322 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1145 of 1913 🔗

The sooner the better

264529 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jaguarpig, 3, #1146 of 1913 🔗

They’re not all thugs and some of them have young kids.
Don’t sink to thug level.

264242 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1147 of 1913 🔗

The marshall should probably be grateful they haven’t had an uncomfortable encounter with a baseball bat or two.

264270 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1148 of 1913 🔗

Roughly whereabouts, Bruce ?

264366 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to JohnB, 1, #1149 of 1913 🔗

Roughly East/West Midlands area don’t want to elaborate to much.. 🤫

264459 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1150 of 1913 🔗

Fair enough, thanks.

264627 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1151 of 1913 🔗

I condemn such reckless behaviour in a time of national crisis.

The person responsible should have dropped a skip on the car just to be sure.

264666 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 3, #1152 of 1913 🔗

I’m sure that can be arranged..

264139 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #1153 of 1913 🔗

Love this one

This is the quality of MP we have in the UK. @BarrySheerman proving that even if you have an IQ of less than 65, no analytical skills and can’t read, you can still become an MP

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1331146485682073601

264185 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Victoria, 2, #1154 of 1913 🔗

What a cretin. This is the same “amazing” vaccine for which: “ The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) “.

264519 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, #1155 of 1913 🔗

He’s 80 years old and has been an MP for the same constituency for 40 years.
It should be illegal.

264202 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Victoria, 2, #1156 of 1913 🔗

Oh, they’re AMAZING vaccines, well that changes everything. Are they
perchance also awesome, incredible and iconic? Well, adjectives trump facts so that’s unanswerable. Barry has spoken.

264221 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Victoria, 2, #1157 of 1913 🔗

Oh, he’s 80 and the job for life Labour MP for Huddersfield since pussy was a cat. Additional IQ would be wasted on him.

264554 ▶▶ langers, replying to Victoria, #1158 of 1913 🔗

I’m sure it was this twat who yesterday was calling for the Pig dictator to keep us in full lockdown rather than revert to the tier system (which is a BTEC lockdown anyway).

264155 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1159 of 1913 🔗

this SATURDAY 28th November at 12:00 noon.
Unite for Freedom – Time for Action
Battersea Park, London.

264181 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 4, #1160 of 1913 🔗

Not Battersea Park any more.

264243 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to leggy, 3, #1161 of 1913 🔗

Latest location information says Kings Cross Station.

264514 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, #1162 of 1913 🔗

It’s been off the fb group all day. Keeping 77th off their backs?

264163 Basics, 4, #1163 of 1913 🔗

Corbett Report. 10 minute video. history of lockdowns and more.

https://youtu.be/nuDQ_3g53qc

One for the pantheon of lockdown sceptic videos.

264169 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #1164 of 1913 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted here. At least one Tory MP is on our side. This is an utter disgrace:-
https://order-order.com/2020/11/24/watch-furious-charles-walker-intervenes-over-lockdown-protester-arrest/#comments

264196 ▶▶ mjr, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1165 of 1913 🔗

likely to have been one of the ladies who was with Piers Corbyn some minutes earlier as they had been forced to move along from the Bill Gates protest otherwise they would have been nicked and had walked down towards parliament followed by a large number of police. There was a link to this protest on here earlier

264173 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 25, #1166 of 1913 🔗

I despair!

A fellow Mummy acquaintance said in our whattsapp group ‘I can’t wait for the vaccine’!

Mother in law said she might save her Christmas turkey for “when we can all get together and ‘celebrate’ the vaccine”.

What planet am I on??????

264184 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Janice21, 9, #1167 of 1913 🔗

You are in Great Britain ,2020, this is the mainstream majority opinion. Now, have a glass of wine and look forward to the vaccine you anti vaxxer crazy person..

264193 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Thomas_E, 13, #1168 of 1913 🔗

ha ha best of it is I am not anti vaxxer as I actually had my yearly flu jab this morning but for people to see this Covid rushed vaccine as the almighty saviour is complete insanity!

264187 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Janice21, 10, #1169 of 1913 🔗

Mummy might want to invest in a couple of wheelchairs just in case of a severe adverse reaction.

264199 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Janice21, 13, #1170 of 1913 🔗

Look at it this way Janice.

They are so looking forward to the vaccine because they think it will make them free.

Because they hate masks and distamcing just as much as we do.

So, how will they react if the vaccine does not free them?

264207 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to calchas, 9, #1171 of 1913 🔗

That is the endgame of the large scale psychological experiment which has been going on since March, take away freedoms then restore them slowly with conditions attached then once everyone is trained hit them with the final piece of compliance – the vaccine!

264208 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 4, #1172 of 1913 🔗

You mean when the vaccine does not free them (to be blamed on those who refuse of course).

264236 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to calchas, 15, #1173 of 1913 🔗

Exactly. And if they sign up for this one, in the hope of ‘freedom’ what other medical interventions will become mandatory? It’s not freedom they are signing up for but lifelong enslavement to the NHS god.

This absence of critical thought really frightens me. It’s not only their own freedoms they are willingly giving up, it is ours also.

264357 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to kh1485, 3, #1174 of 1913 🔗

I was only thinking this the other day. As per form throughout this, project creep. Once you accept one mandatory medical intervention, the line is crossed. What next statins, flu vaccine, and whatever other potions big pharma can concopt.
I note on Simon Dolan’s Twitter that Naddine Doris’ office have stated that short term restrictions will apply to those not vaccinated. Has no-one heard of the Nuremberg Code. If this government wants to opt out of international human rights, then can we have a proper debate in parliament and a referendum.

264358 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 2, #1175 of 1913 🔗

That’s the point – if it was only their lives being affected, fine. But theirs arent being affected at all – just ours. God i hate them all.

264537 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, #1176 of 1913 🔗

Me2

264273 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to calchas, 8, #1177 of 1913 🔗

Exactly Janice 21,your last two points hit the nail on the head. I have had this argument with one or two people. I have said, ok go ahead have your jab, I’ll wait my turn until enough gullible folk have had it and the following three things are completely gone legally:-
Masks
Social Distancing
Giving names at pubs etc
I then go on to say that I think these things in some form or other will remain until at least end 2022. I justify this by saying if you can justify a mask for one respiratory virus, why would you not keep it for normal flu and colds?
They all don’t see the irony in my comments and say that I’m paranoid. I don’t plan to have any jab if I can help it, although having a daughter and grandchildren in Australia is probably going to test my resolve at some point in the future due to almost inevitable fascist travel requirements.
I personally think masks will be here forever. My wife is in no way a sceptic, she thinks I’m a cynical pessimist. I reply by saying its the cynic in the room who sees the reality around him.

264206 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Janice21, 12, #1178 of 1913 🔗

If they like the vaccine, they’ll love transverse myelitis! They can all get together and celebrate uncontrollably pissing and shitting themselves.

264219 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janice21, 4, #1179 of 1913 🔗

Always feel so sorry for the kids that are offered to the gods to appease the gods

264227 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Janice21, 2, #1180 of 1913 🔗

What next, vaccine parties? Jeez …

264232 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to kh1485, #1181 of 1913 🔗

I seem to recall chickenpox parties were a thing.

264511 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Graham3, #1182 of 1913 🔗

Safer than vaccines – cheaper too!

264233 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Janice21, 10, #1183 of 1913 🔗

A vaccine that behaved differently when they accidentally gave people the wrong dose. Yes, I want that, the sooner the better.

264280 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Janice21, 5, #1184 of 1913 🔗

Planet BBC – where all the sheeple live.

264179 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1185 of 1913 🔗

Sheffield into Tier 3. Anyone else hearing that ?

264229 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1186 of 1913 🔗

Everywhere will be Tier 3, except some token village in Cornwall.

264544 ▶▶ langers, replying to Leemc23, #1187 of 1913 🔗

I live there so I hope not.
Positive ‘tests’ are falling rapidly so no reason for Tier 3 (or any tiers but that’s another discussion).

264186 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 30, #1188 of 1913 🔗

Some risks are always worth taking

264190 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Victoria, 10, #1189 of 1913 🔗

Almost made me cry!

264228 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Janice21, 4, #1190 of 1913 🔗

I did cry. It hits a nail very much on the head.

264289 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, #1191 of 1913 🔗

Distribute this on whats app, Facebook etc

264497 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, 1, #1192 of 1913 🔗

That will be me this weekend!
Except I don’t perceive any risk!

264191 Old Bill, 16, #1193 of 1913 🔗

Dear Boris,

Nobody is listening.

Rgds,
Bill

PS. The voices are coming from inside your head.

264192 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 23, #1194 of 1913 🔗

Encouraging signs in Ilkley (West Yorkshire) of all places—not normally known for being Bolshi!

264494 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Harry hopkins, #1195 of 1913 🔗

They’re about to be lumped in Tier 3 with Bradford.
Maybe the People’s Republic of Ilkley will wake up at last.

264194 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1196 of 1913 🔗

NHS Confederation Reset Conference – on today – don’t miss it.

Follow all the exciting news of this vital conference here: https://twitter.com/NHSConfed

The leader speaks – a few mouth watering selections:

  • COVID has put our systems through a real test, giving us a clearer picture of what works well, what doesn’t. Like holding an x-ray up to the light, revealing the care a patient needs (oh shit, have you been speaking to those medical types again?).
  • And as we begin to glimpse through to better times ahead, we must be unafraid to keep treading the new paths we’ve found when the pressure was really on (New paths – would that be the same as the road to nowhere Matty?).
  • Now of course, rules and regulations have their place. When they are done right they are the cornerstone of safe, high-quality care. (SO these rules don’t apply to massive public contracts or vaccine approval then Matty?)
  • But as you [NHS Confederation] rightly acknowledge in your ‘NHS Reset report’, when left unchecked, rules and regulations can outgrow their original purpose – and they can stifle innovation and they can damage morale. (I think you made a pretty good job of that by yourself Matty- maybe it’s you that needs a reset?).
  • I’m determined that we seize this moment and build on the very best of what we have seen over the past 9 months (which specific parts would those be Matty?).
  • …we can continue to tread boldly on the new paths we’ve found towards a stronger system and a healthier country where we can work together for the people who we serve. (Beam me up Scotty…)

Full guff available here for those with nothing better to do:
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/busting-bureaucracy-for-people-working-on-the-frontline

264292 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1197 of 1913 🔗

Typical NHS talk a load of bollocks. Couldn’t manage a piss up in a brewery. Meanwhile GPs and Dentists remain shut, huge backlog of elective surgery NHS shut from March to July – is that what he wants to build on?

264198 Aslangeo, 15, #1198 of 1913 🔗

In case you have not seen this – come back Patrick Henry, All is forgiven

264210 Eddy, 8, #1199 of 1913 🔗

Mind-Blowing

Affidavit from an IT expert on the US election We know what is documented here is impossible as the Maricopa County Supervisors told us everything is fine and go back to sleep and pay your taxes and wear a mask. And leftist reporters told us to move on.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf

264216 chaos, replying to chaos, 24, #1200 of 1913 🔗

These days it is the comments under newspaper articles that are more informative than the articles themselves. They tell the real story of what is going on.

264340 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to chaos, 2, #1201 of 1913 🔗

That’s probably partly the reason why comments have been disabled on a lot of news sites. Yahoo News for example, generally had better journalism in the comments section than in the articles.

264224 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 29, #1202 of 1913 🔗

https://twitter.com/Tridg98/status/1331242604219011074?s=09

Have you seen this?

Great stuff from Charles Walker MP

You can feel the palpable anger in his demeanour.

264244 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 16, #1203 of 1913 🔗

Ha. He really is raging in the HoC. I like that he gave the fascist pigs some shit too. Wankers.

264251 ▶▶ alw, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 22, #1204 of 1913 🔗

He speaks for millions meanwhile Boris continues to hide under the bedclothes.
https://youtu.be/-rMniXEtFu4

264262 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to alw, 19, #1205 of 1913 🔗

And the deputy speaker referring to his “very strong views” Surely, any right-minded person would think that carting off an elderly lady in such a way for no good reason was wrong on every conceivable level.

264329 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to kh1485, 7, #1206 of 1913 🔗

The problem is there are very few right-minded individuals in the country never mind parliament.

264307 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to alw, 6, #1207 of 1913 🔗

when oh when will the all rise to speak like this? Parliament itself is a disgrace if they do not join in

264501 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to alw, 2, #1208 of 1913 🔗

Fantastic!
I emailed a letter of thanks immediately after viewing that clip.

264800 ▶▶▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to Old Bill, #1209 of 1913 🔗

Me too!

264257 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 21, #1210 of 1913 🔗

I don’t know why but that’s left me tearing up, you can hear the anger in his voice. Hopefully some of his peers will wake up now to what is happening.

264260 ▶▶ chaos, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1211 of 1913 🔗

I wrote to him. I wonder if he read my letter? I told him there was no point writing to my front bench greasy pole MP so I wrote to him instead.

264272 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to chaos, 7, #1212 of 1913 🔗

Good. He deserves to be emboldened by those that share his view.

264323 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #1213 of 1913 🔗

Yes, I think we will achieve more by writing to those who share our views than by writing to those who do not. I have given up on my MP who just writes cut ‘n’ paste replies and who seems to want even stricter lockdowns.

264345 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1214 of 1913 🔗

I intend to keep annoying mine!

To his credit, he does always respond – albeit usually with a non-answer.
However, I always ask him a question to make sure he’s read my missive.

264351 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 3, #1215 of 1913 🔗

Yes – I copy him and graham Brady and Sir Des when I email my MP. I apologise but don’t know what else to do.

264402 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to chaos, 9, #1216 of 1913 🔗

I’m sure he did; he replied to mine.

Thank you so much for taking the trouble to write to me with your kind comments and thoughts about the challenges we face.

If there is one silver lining from all of this, it is that I no longer take for granted all the privileges and freedoms I mistakenly thought were mine by right.

Yours,

Charles

I think others got the same reply.

264597 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to chaos, 1, #1217 of 1913 🔗

I wrote to him a while ago, after [another] one if his impassioned speeches. He advocates in an exceptional way particularly for mental health. After a week or two, I got a specific & personal reply. To get that as a non-constituent, I was honestly floored. A true gent, and I hope he is continuing to galvanize support.

264287 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 9, #1218 of 1913 🔗

About bloody time. If I was him I would stick one on Johnson at the earliest opportunity.

As for the police, they have never sunk lower in my estimation. No epithet is strong enough.

264348 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1219 of 1913 🔗

I agree, it’s disgraceful, blatantly parked in the cycle lane like that.

264369 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 5, #1220 of 1913 🔗

So everyone has to give up their way of life and liberties to save Granny while the old bill can drag and manhandle them into the back of a van

264241 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #1221 of 1913 🔗

Reposted from elsewhere, as posted by Martin Sewell.

264277 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Nessimmersion, #1222 of 1913 🔗

The lockdown saved us. They win. The end.

264248 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1223 of 1913 🔗

WTF happened to Karol Sikora? Has he had the vaccine and it’s destroyed half his brain?

264256 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1224 of 1913 🔗

What specifically has he done or said that makes you say that?

264290 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1226 of 1913 🔗

Thanks
Disappointing – first that he is not pointing out that the vaccine isn’t needed and secondly that he makes no mention of the fact that testing has been very skimpy
At least he uses the phrase “old normal” implying we won’t need any more nonsense, and he comes out strongly in favour of the freedom to choose
But he needs to understand the wider implications of accepting it in terms of validating the overreaction and the fact that it will be tempting for businesses and countries and travel providers to mandate it
A shame

264258 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1227 of 1913 🔗

All scientists are whores. But only some take it every which way. Some escape their pimps. Some lose their nerve and return.

264254 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 11, #1228 of 1913 🔗

Well, Piers Corbyn`s twitter is “down” at the moment..

Seriously, i expect major push back against this vaccine fascism from within the NHS and the care sector itself.

264320 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1229 of 1913 🔗

I am not going to get my hopes up. I know a few who work in the NHS and they are the most fanatical of all the people I know. There may be a few pockets of resistance but they will be crushed.

264265 davews, replying to davews, 28, #1230 of 1913 🔗

Nice day out at Kew Gardens today. My idea that it would be quiet because of lockdown was wrong – when I arrived there was a socially distanced queue of 50 or so waiting to be allowed in with our 10am timed tickets. Busiest I have ever seen it! All the indoors bits and glasshouses of course were shut but everything else was open. The Hive was a hive of activity especially with the young kids. Catering was a few burger vans and similar outside the normal eateries so lunch a burger and cuppa sat on the wall outside. Largely mask free though there were a few wearing them out in the open and it seemed they all wore them at the burger vans. Trains busier than I expected but still pretty deserted. Nobody questioned what my ‘essential travel’ was. If I was breaking the rules everybody else was, good stuff, nobody cares about Boris’s edicts.

264279 ▶▶ ArjayD, replying to davews, 16, #1231 of 1913 🔗

Why were they even open when we’re supposed to be in a LD – therefore their visitors are supposedly not permitted to leave their homes for non-essential reasons? . . .

Why can Kew Gardens remain open & yet the proprietor of a tea-room in Gedling is served fines amounting to £17,000 for doing the same?

I would argue – who needs the business more?

264455 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to ArjayD, 2, #1232 of 1913 🔗

Good question.
Possibly because the latter is a small private business….

264697 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to ArjayD, #1233 of 1913 🔗

I think they are selling it as a huge area to do your daily exercise

Kew Gardens and Wakehurst are open, giving you a chance to enjoy our magnificent gardens during these difficult times.
With acres of green space, thousands of plants and secret corners, you can roam all day in our botanic gardens.

I admit I was a bit surprised to see it was open, and how much was open, in fact everything that they legally could open was. They are obviously even so losing lots of money with all their paid for attractions on hold, on the booking form I was prompted several times to add an extra donation. Their annual Christmas lights tour has had to be delayed till next week (loads of fairy lights had been dangled above the paths). But being a large concern they obviously can survive, the little shops so pointlessly closed cannot.

264281 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to davews, 4, #1234 of 1913 🔗

Top day 👍

264374 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to davews, 1, #1235 of 1913 🔗

Excellent. Mass civil disobedience is our duty.

264268 ArjayD, replying to ArjayD, 36, #1236 of 1913 🔗

First article today – how very kind of them, so very kind.

But this – ‘The result is that most people will be forbidden from mixing with family and friends until Easter – save for a brief truce over Christmas’ – is chilling.

Are the British People really going to carry on lying down and taking this?
Really?
I for one won’t be.

I’m beginning to think that nothing short of an intervention by Our Father Who Art in Heaven is going to stop this dystopian dictator-driven nightmare – i.e. a miracle. May God bless all of us.

264278 ▶▶ leggy, replying to ArjayD, 8, #1237 of 1913 🔗

I’m still banking on rescue by benevolent aliens, but I’ll be happy with assistance from Him.

264294 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ArjayD, 8, #1238 of 1913 🔗

Yes, they will carry on taking it lying down. The British have never been an ideological people, and most can’t deal with abstract concepts like freedom and individual responsibility. My only hope is that it ends simply through fatigue and boredom with the rules, the obvious lack of deaths or even cases, and by seeing that countries like the USA aren’t putting up with the BS any longer.

264274 peter, replying to peter, 12, #1239 of 1913 🔗

Trump conceded did he? Then how come I just put another £20 bet on the Exchange for him to win? Toby is a fucking SHILL .

264283 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peter, 1, #1240 of 1913 🔗

I’ve no idea if Trump conceded or not but I am not sure how that makes TY a shill. I don’t much know or care what TY thinks of Trump (though I would guess he’d prefer him to Biden) but I think his anti-lockdown credentials are pretty solid

264291 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to peter, #1241 of 1913 🔗

Odds of 28 would certainly make for a nice payout Peter

264326 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to peter, -2, #1242 of 1913 🔗

I’m all for a flutter on a long shot but only when there is some hard evidence it might pay off. I am never guided by wishful thinking. Still – I suppose £20 isn’t a big loss.

264451 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to peter, 2, #1243 of 1913 🔗

He’s not conceded.

“President Donald Trump on Tuesday defended his decision to allow the General Services Administration (GSA) to coordinate with former Vice President Joe Biden for a transition of power.
“Remember, the GSA has been terrific, and Emily Murphy has done a great job, but the GSA does not determine who the next President of the United States will be,” Trump wrote on Twitter.”

She was being subjected to a torrent of threats against her, her family, even her pets because she’d not initiated the transition, mainly because there are ongoing challenges to the election results, and many still haven’t been certified.

264524 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Lms23, 1, #1244 of 1913 🔗
264285 tallandbald, replying to tallandbald, 24, #1245 of 1913 🔗

This is what this country should start doing.

https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1330921813682003969?s=20

Miles of cars honk and drive around Gavin Newsom’s neighborhood after the 10pm curfew to protest.

Californians have had enough.

264288 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to tallandbald, 15, #1246 of 1913 🔗

Sigh. I do wish I lived in America sometimes. At least they still understand basic concepts of individual freedom, unlike here, where it’s more important to know who’s taking part in ‘Strictly’.

264293 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1247 of 1913 🔗

You would need to choose your spot. South Dakota, brilliant. California would be even worse than here.

264327 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 2, #1248 of 1913 🔗

I understand Georgia and Florida are quite good too. Not that it’s a high bar considering the west coast and northeast (excluding New Hampshire).

264297 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to tallandbald, 3, #1249 of 1913 🔗

This is great

264302 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to tallandbald, 2, #1250 of 1913 🔗

If the communists lose California, they will lose the whole country.

264441 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Richard O, 3, #1251 of 1913 🔗

They won’t.
They have the tools to fix any election, and have been doing it for years.

264315 ▶▶ DRW, replying to tallandbald, 1, #1252 of 1913 🔗

Never thought this would happen on the west coast!

264390 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to DRW, 1, #1253 of 1913 🔗

I lived there for 28 years and agree!

264495 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, #1254 of 1913 🔗

I used to live there – Seattle – and it was going woke twenty years ago, so I’m no longer surprised. California (at least the cities) is even worse. Many are moving out.

264286 kf99, 14, #1255 of 1913 🔗

https://www.eadt.co.uk/business/ipswich-christmas-shop-reopens-despite-prohibition-notice-1-6941859

They deserve our support. From the picture it seems they’re filling an otherwise empty unit in a disused building.

264295 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 35, #1256 of 1913 🔗

It is not for another human being to give me permission or otherwise to do what I want at Christmas

We run this country not them

We only employ them to do our paperwork

They can fuck off

264310 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1257 of 1913 🔗

Or any other day of the year.

Xmas might actually regain some of its ceremonial meaning this year in the light of our current predicament (as opposed to the grotesque orgy of consumerism that it has degraded into in recent decades).

264303 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 28, #1258 of 1913 🔗

The Guardian is full of it today…

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264309 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1259 of 1913 🔗

Ha Ha Merkel

264318 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Victoria, 3, #1260 of 1913 🔗

To paraphrase another well known German leader, ‘I will defeat Sweden with the Berlin Fire Brigade’.

264321 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1261 of 1913 🔗

that’s fake, surely? Public executions??!??

264344 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #1262 of 1913 🔗

It’s satire.

Until next week.

264490 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Liam, #1263 of 1913 🔗

The way things are going, I fear you might be right.

264347 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1264 of 1913 🔗

It’s not far off though!

264364 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1265 of 1913 🔗

How else can you get 101% mask wearing?

264338 ▶▶ mjr, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #1266 of 1913 🔗

far more believable than the real thing. 🙂

264341 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to mjr, 1, #1267 of 1913 🔗

.

264363 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #1268 of 1913 🔗

For one minute I thought it was a spoof

264381 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1269 of 1913 🔗

These are great. I wonder if the Guardian will try and get these banned like they did the meme generator that took the piss out of their commenters.

264405 ▶▶ Tangelo, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1270 of 1913 🔗

Please keep these coming Captain…I’ll share this thanks.

264420 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1271 of 1913 🔗

Don’t.
Things are so nuts right now that for a second I thought it was serious.

264664 ▶▶ annie, replying to captainbeefheart, #1272 of 1913 🔗

Brilliant! Almost as funny as the real Grauniad!

264736 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to captainbeefheart, #1273 of 1913 🔗

Brilliant, hope you enjoyed a chuckle whilst making this

264304 DressageRider, replying to DressageRider, 10, #1274 of 1913 🔗

Reported on the BBC website an hour ago, Matt Handcock:

“He also told MPs he would like to see the diagnostic capacity built for Covid used to test for other illnesses like flu once the pandemic had passed.”

What???!!!! Keep the gravy train rolling for your mates Matt!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55061543

264314 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DressageRider, 3, #1275 of 1913 🔗

Global Vaccine Passport Will Be Required for Travel

CommonPass [Digital Health Passport]
“CommonPass is a digital “health passport” framework initiated by The Commons Project, the World Economic Forum and The Rockefeller Foundation, which during the first week of July 2020 convened more than 350 leaders from the public and private sectors in 52 countries to design a common framework “for safe border reopening” around the world. The proposed framework involves the following:

  1. Every nation must publish their health screening criteria for entry into the country using a standard format on a common framework
  2. Each country must register trusted facilities that conduct COVID-19 lab testing for foreign travel and administer vaccines listed in the CommonPass registry
  3. Each country will accept health screening status from foreign visitors through apps and services built on the CommonPass framework
  4. Patient identification is to be collected at the time of sample collection and/or vaccination using an international standard
  5. The CommonPass framework will be integrated into flight and hotel reservation and check-in processes

Eventually, the CommonPass framework will be integrated with already existing personal health apps such as Apple Health and CommonHealth. If you want to travel, your personal health record will be evaluated and compared to a country’s entry requirements, and if you don’t meet them, you’ll be directed to an approved testing and vaccination location.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/24/commonpass.aspx

264316 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DressageRider, 3, #1276 of 1913 🔗

“He also told MPs he would like to see the diagnostic capacity built for Covid used to test for other illnesses like flu once the pandemic had passed.”

.Global Vaccine Passport Will Be Required for Travel

CommonPass [Digital Health Passport]
“CommonPass is a digital “health passport” framework initiated by The Commons Project, the World Economic Forum and The Rockefeller Foundation, which during the first week of July 2020 convened more than 350 leaders from the public and private sectors in 52 countries to design a common framework “for safe border reopening” around the world. The proposed framework involves the following:

  1. Every nation must publish their health screening criteria for entry into the country using a standard format on a common framework
  2. Each country must register trusted facilities that conduct COVID-19 lab testing for foreign travel and administer vaccines listed in the CommonPass registry
  3. Each country will accept health screening status from foreign visitors through apps and services built on the CommonPass framework
  4. Patient identification is to be collected at the time of sample collection and/or vaccination using an international standard
  5. The CommonPass framework will be integrated into flight and hotel reservation and check-in processes

Eventually, the CommonPass framework will be integrated with already existing personal health apps such as Apple Health and CommonHealth. If you want to travel, your personal health record will be evaluated and compared to a country’s entry requirements, and if you don’t meet them, you’ll be directed to an approved testing and vaccination location.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/24/commonpass.aspx

264324 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DressageRider, 5, #1277 of 1913 🔗

He’s lost it, he’s MAD with power. His downfall will be such fun to watch as he’ll be 1 of the first thrown under the bus once the shit hits the fan!

264334 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1278 of 1913 🔗

I’m not sure that ‘MAD with power’ is the right image.

He strikes me as a pathetic little lap-dog seeking approval by doing what he’s told to do by the big boys in the hope of treats.

264382 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1279 of 1913 🔗

We will all be under the bus by then I am not sure having hancock join us is all that appealing.

264365 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to DressageRider, 5, #1280 of 1913 🔗

Just more evidence that this is not about the virus. So why would they test heathy people with no symptoms? So they can lock us up randomly if we have say, a headache? It gets more sinister every day. We need James Bond to take these nasty dictators out – permanently.

264471 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #1281 of 1913 🔗

come come mr bond you disappoint me – you get as much fulfilment out of killing politicians as i do, so why don’t you admit it?

264305 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1282 of 1913 🔗

James 2nd lasted 3 years before the country kicked him out; please God,don’t let Bojo last that long.

264313 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1283 of 1913 🔗

Hopefully his son and grandson won’t come back and try to invade either!

264325 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cranmer, 1, #1284 of 1913 🔗

Bonny prince Boris or Wilfred or one of his many kids.

264414 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1285 of 1913 🔗

I suspect he’ll go in the new year, citing “health reasons.”

The question will then be who replaces him. Sun’s is being promoted, but I’m unconvinced.
He’s been party leader before, but one of the most solid critics of lockdown, etc has been Ian Duncan Smith. He’s not charismatic, but I don’t care, as long as he gets rid of all the CV19 bllx.

264431 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1286 of 1913 🔗

Captured by some Faversham fishermen as he attempted to flee. https://www.saxonshore.co.uk/local-history/the-market-town-of-kings-a-tale-of-two/

264306 Caramel, replying to Caramel, -1, #1287 of 1913 🔗

Great having Dr Roger Hodkinson here but I would rather him not say that covid escaped from a lab, tad conspiracy theorish.

264337 ▶▶ Will, replying to Caramel, 7, #1288 of 1913 🔗

We had an outbreak of foot and mouth in the UK in 2007 after the disease escaped from a lab after some corroded pipes burst. It really does happen.

264410 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, 5, #1289 of 1913 🔗

Often conveniently.
Big Ag and Big Pharma profited greatly from the F&M scandal.
Notice dodgy Ferguson’s involved again too.

Sorry, I’m a natural cynic.

264343 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Caramel, 6, #1290 of 1913 🔗

I don’t know whether that’s true or not about the lab, …

but,

..if I had told you a year ago of the events to come in 2020, would you have described that as a ‘ a tad conspiracy theorish’ ?

264359 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Caramel, 8, #1291 of 1913 🔗

It’s a perfectly valid hypothesis in my opinion. The wetmarket theory is already disproven, seeing as there were actually no bats at the market and the first patients had not been to the market.

264378 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Caramel, 1, #1292 of 1913 🔗

If you do not give yourself the freedom to consider every theory then you can not practice science.

264394 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Caramel, 2, #1293 of 1913 🔗

If he had said deliberately released then I’d definitely put that nearer the conspiracy end of things but an accidental breach seems more than plausible. We definitely can’t prove anything right now, it’s going to take a lot more digging to really find out what happened. If we ever do.

264590 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Achilles, #1294 of 1913 🔗

Yes, I’d lean more to the accidental breach right now personally, but either way; the important point is that – it appears one of the world’s most secure bio labs couldn’t keep this virus contained.. but just put an old rag or a bit of bandana over your face & you’re all sorted.

264396 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Caramel, 5, #1295 of 1913 🔗

It’s a far more reasonable assumption than it came from bats that live in colonies hundreds of miles away from the wet market, where they weren’t on sale.
Viruses do escape from labs due to poor safety and containment. Accidents and mistakes occur, as well as lax protocols.
It makes a lot more sense that it came from the virology lab where they were doing research on bat viruses than the alternative.

264406 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lms23, #1296 of 1913 🔗

If it didn’t escape, which implies accident, it must have been seeded deliberately.
Which theory looks most like a conspiracy?

264567 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Caramel, #1297 of 1913 🔗

His radio/zoom contribution the other day means he can think whatever he likes, afaic.

264582 ▶▶ Dan72, replying to Caramel, #1298 of 1913 🔗

To be fair, I think that article was written in April. He may have changed his view by now.

264308 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #1299 of 1913 🔗

Global Vaccine Passport Will Be Required for Travel

  • Forced vaccination is part and parcel of the plan to “reset” the global economic system, forever altering life as we know it. Now, global vaccine passports are being introduced, and it’s only a matter of time before vaccination status will be a prerequisite for travel
  • CommonPass is a digital “health passport” framework initiated by The Commons Project, the World Economic Forum and The Rockefeller Foundation
  • When you get your test result or vaccine, that data is uploaded to an app on your cellphone. The app generates a barcode that is then scanned at the airport, at hotel check-in and wherever else vaccine status verification is deemed necessary
  • The CommonPass digital clearance system is currently being tested by United Airlines on flights between London and Newark, and Cathay Pacific on flights between Hong Kong and Singapore
  • In an April 2020 white paper, The Rockefeller Foundation laid out a strategic framework clearly intended to become part of a permanent surveillance and social control structure that severely limits personal liberty and freedom of choice

CommonPass is a cog in this Great Reset plan. It’s the beginning stage of mass tracking and tracing, under the guise of keeping everyone safe from infectious disease. Rest assured, it will not be limited to COVID-19. The pandemic is just the justification for ushering in this radical new way of life.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/24/commonpass.aspx

264367 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Victoria, 21, #1300 of 1913 🔗

Our lives have and will be changed forever there is no going back now but we still have choice. We can choose to live under their totalitarian system and accept the consequences of that or we can choose to fight for liberty and destroy their totalitarian system and get to realise peace and prosperity like the earth has never before seen once we have removed these parasites from our aorta.

They have made their move and in doing so exposed themselves. They are all in at this point and they will not back down.

264370 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Victoria, 7, #1301 of 1913 🔗

In case anyone still has some doubts that this hasn’t been planned for sometime, the Commons Project website is here:
https://thecommonsproject.org/

The site was first registered 2 years ago today!
https://www.whois.com/whois/thecommonsproject.org

And they already had details about the COVIDcheck app back in the beginning of April:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200401232756/https://www.thecommonsproject.org/

CommonPass is here:
https://thecommonsproject.org/commonpass

264328 DThom, replying to DThom, 23, #1302 of 1913 🔗

“UK ministers meet to finalise Christmas restrictions”
Thanks for the offer but I’ll make my own arrangements

264354 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DThom, 9, #1303 of 1913 🔗

The only restrictions I want to see finalised with ministers involves handcuffs and police cells. And I don’t mean that in a kinky way, in case any MPs are reading this.

264658 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, #1304 of 1913 🔗

Lock ’em all up
Enjoy Christmas.
Forget to let them out.
Go back to living.

264349 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1306 of 1913 🔗

That line was crossed in March.

264372 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1307 of 1913 🔗

He’s changed his tune. He previously told Fraser Nelson on Spectator TV (re. the discredited 50,000 cases graph), “ …don’t keep on dragging it out… ” as it’s “ …unfair to the scientists…

More in my previous (angry) post.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/09/latest-news-188/#comment-236328

264384 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1308 of 1913 🔗

Hmmmm!

The data row comes as Royal Society scientists warned the UK does not have enough access to real-time statistics and by default relies on out of date figures.

Professor Lawrence added: ‘Mobile phone companies might provide a huge amount of anonymised and aggregated data that would allow us a much greater understanding of how people move around, potentially spreading the virus as they go.
‘And there is a wealth of other data, such as from transport systems. The more we understand about this pandemic, the better we can tackle it.
‘We should be able to work together, the private and the public sectors, to harness big data for massive positive social good and do that safely and responsibly.’

264412 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1309 of 1913 🔗

“Royal Society” and “massive positive social good” in the same sentence. Lol.

264339 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1310 of 1913 🔗

How’s Sweden doing. I was talking to a neighbour who’s not a full on bedwetter but she was saying Sweden had gone into lockdown. I’ve googled for information but all I got was a week old about Sweden reducing gatherings from 50 to 8.

264342 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1311 of 1913 🔗

The last thing I read was it all only recommendations, no actually “rules” or laws. I may be wrong if someone has more up to date information.

264346 ▶▶ Will, replying to Smelly Melly, #1312 of 1913 🔗

Funnily enough there is a report about people in care homes not seeing a doctor. I wonder how many care home residents in locked down UK got to sera doctor in April?

264352 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #1313 of 1913 🔗

I’ve heard the same but can’t find any evidence other than the gatherings. I think some of their politicians are advocating for more restrictions but I’m not aware that Sweden aren’t sticking with the plan – at least when I looked a few days ago. Suspect it’s more ‘fake news’ to try and discredit Sweden’s approach….

264360 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1314 of 1913 🔗

Deserves posting again. 170 years of Swedish mortality.

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264375 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 1, #1315 of 1913 🔗

The pattern of Swedish mortality in recent years closely mimics that of the UK – so worth looking at to put Covid-19 into perspective. There is the same pattern of 2019/20 being only about 8th in severity in the last quarter century.

264397 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 1, #1316 of 1913 🔗

Indeed, and if you compare the last few years of mortality in Sweden to it’s Nordic neighbours, it’s had a soft time with winter illnesses, unlike it’s neighbours.

264409 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1317 of 1913 🔗

Gatherings in public places reduced to 8 from 50, I think that’s law

It doesn’t apply to private homes, and not sure if it applies to outdoors – I think it is just things like groups in bars

I think bars closing earlier is law, not 100% sure

Guidance to stay at home more

But nothing like a lockdown, and no masks

264542 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Smelly Melly, #1319 of 1913 🔗

That’s just propaganda. They are not in lockdown at all. Its the number of reduced gatherings that’s been implemented.

264350 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 11, #1320 of 1913 🔗

To the Rt Hon Mr Boris DePiffle Johnson,

Dear Sir,

With regards to your statement granting the citizens of this country leave to celebrate Christmas, I refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram.

I remain, &c

264383 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1321 of 1913 🔗

Dear Sirs,

We acknowledge your letter of 29th April referring to Mr J. Arkell.
We note that Mr Arkell’s attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of our reply and would therefore be grateful if you could inform us what his attitude to damages would be, were he to learn that the nature of our reply is as follows: fuck off.

Yours etc.”

264353 Andrew Cooper, 2, #1322 of 1913 🔗

Evening everyone, perhaps it’s me reading this wrong but it seem that that even our Homes are no longer safe from Covid; it wouldn’t surprise me at this point if they suggested next that we all sell or places of residence and live in tents.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-households-mixing-pubs-restrictions-sage-b1760931.html

264355 Ewan Duffy, 8, #1323 of 1913 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/1124/1180110-covid-19-vitamin-d-ireland/

RTE is breaking rank – this article calls for the use of Vitamin D to help in the fight against COVID!

Some interesting takeaways from the article:

  1. those in ICU in Blanchardstown Hospital (Dublin) with low vitamin D levels were more than three times more likely to require ventilation,
  2. A German study (linked to in the article) showed that hospitalised inpatients who were vitamin D deficient were roughly 15-times more likely to require intensive care treatment, and over 6 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than those with sufficient vitamin D levels.

It also mentions two studies – one from Spain and the other in France that shows positive impact on outcomes for patients who received Vitamin D in hospital for/with COVID19.

264373 leggy, replying to leggy, #1324 of 1913 🔗

For anyone who has not read Corona: False Alarm yet, here’s a PDF:

https://www.satrakshita.com/Books/Corona_False_Alarm.pdf

264388 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to leggy, #1325 of 1913 🔗

That’s great, really appreciate this.

264389 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard O, #1326 of 1913 🔗

Spread it far and wide!

264413 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to leggy, 1, #1327 of 1913 🔗

Why deprive the charity that receives the royalties? Really shocked to find this here after TY’s telling people (correctly) not to post copyright material. My paperback copy arrives tomorrow. It only cost £13.86 delivered.

264504 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #1328 of 1913 🔗

Last time I checked, it wasn’t available anywhere physically, it was out of stock.

I’ll drop the authors an email and ask them if they have an issue with their material being shared as PDF. Though I don’t think that their motives are financial.

By all means post links to any sites where it’s available to purchase, a hardcopy is always preferable.

264522 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to leggy, 2, #1329 of 1913 🔗

https://uk.bookshop.org/shop/top-hatandtales

There will be a local bookshop near you that will get some money from the purchase in a similar way. Totally amazon free and highly recommended.

264428 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to leggy, #1330 of 1913 🔗

Already done.

264432 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 2, #1331 of 1913 🔗

I have read it, but I bought a copy.

264506 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1332 of 1913 🔗

I’d bought a hardcopy too, it’s been passed on and has been read by at least three others after me.

264550 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 1, #1333 of 1913 🔗

Good man! 🙂

My copy is currently with my next door neighbour; she keeps texting me “is this really true?”

264379 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #1334 of 1913 🔗

Today’s reported deaths will be 608, cue BBC shock/horror headline, 3 x yesterday’s figure of 204. But this is total bollox. Look at the chart at deaths by date of death compared to date reported. What is actually a good news story of reducing deaths will be presented as a bad news story of deaths out of control.

264398 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 4, #1335 of 1913 🔗

It’ll be frontpage news today with SOARING DEATHS!
They’ll just quietly admit the much lower figure tomorrow in the livefeed.

264399 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NickR, 1, #1336 of 1913 🔗

They are deaths back to 24 October, so quite a lot of backfill. All but 12 (or maybe 10) in England had underlying health conditions, one was about 20, but the eldest was 90 – suspect the others were in their 80s.

264417 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to NickR, 4, #1337 of 1913 🔗

They are not people dying of Covid, they are people who died of something while having evidence of Coronavirus that causes Covid-19 in their system. Many, many of these would not even be sightly sick with Covid. Same difference as HIV/AIDS. If you have the HIV virus in your system and die of a heart attack you are not classified as dying from AIDS because the virus and the disease are not the same thing. In Covid however its different. Wonder why?

264434 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to jakehadlee, 6, #1338 of 1913 🔗

“They are not people dying of Covid, they are people who died of something while having evidence of Coronavirus that causes Covid-19 in their system”

Well, yes, but..

Sorry, a positive PCR test is not evidence of anything which causes a disease called covid-19.

They might as well have bben diagnosed with fucking dandruff.

‘dandruff-positive’

264543 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to calchas, 1, #1339 of 1913 🔗

Well, yes – that’s true. Its evidence that a dodgy PCR test found evidence of a virus that can cause Covid. But the point is that most newspapers still report these as Covid deaths, or deaths with/from Covid etc whereas they are palpably not Covid deaths even if you are a true believer in the church of the Branch Covidians. They are deaths with Coronavirus. It’s a very important distinction that gets overlooked.

264636 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, #1340 of 1913 🔗

SHOCK HORROR! A BILLION PEOPLE WORLDWIDE HAVE DIED AFTER TESTING POSITIVE FOR DANDRUFF!

GOOD NEWS: VOSENE VACCINE FOUND TO BE ‘90%’ EFFECTIVE AT REDUCING DANDRUFF. COMPULSORY VOSENE VACCINATION STARTS TOMORROW AT A NIGHTINGALE HAIRDRESSING SALOON NEAR YOU!

264463 ▶▶ NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #1341 of 1913 🔗

Yes, people should understand these 2 charts essentially come from the same data set. But one arranges the data in the order that the bureaucracy receives it ‘date reported’ & one arranges the data by date when the poor sod actually shuffled off this mortal coil.
I’ve wittered on about the ‘Overton Window’ before but this is such a brilliant example to illustrate the concept to your grand children in years to come. How millions of people were duped by framing the data in a slightly different way.

264729 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to NickR, #1342 of 1913 🔗

In an idea world, future KS3 and KS4 students would be given this whole shitshow in mathematics as a paradigm example of how stats can be moved around to prove what you want to prove.

264467 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 1, #1343 of 1913 🔗

Today’s reported deaths will be 608

Yeah, it’s Tuesday.

264513 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to NickR, #1344 of 1913 🔗

Isn’t this always the case because the figures are for the previous day reporting? Monday count is always low because it reports Sunday data when nothing much happens. Tuesday is therefore always a big increase.

264549 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Achilles, #1345 of 1913 🔗

No, you oversimplify it. No data reports just yesterday’s data. The data always includes deaths from all over the place, the deaths often go back months.

265071 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic down south, replying to NickR, #1346 of 1913 🔗

Achilles is right, because they are reporting registered deaths, not date of death. Whenever they take place (days/weeks before), the deaths registered on Sunday are low, and there is a corresponding catch up on Monday. It’s obvious in a way, because you see it happen consistently every week.

264526 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to NickR, 1, #1347 of 1913 🔗

It annoys me when I hear it announced on Radio 4 that x amount have died of Covid on a certain day – cf today when the number 608 was given.

Because it simply won’t be true. It is the number reported, a totting up of numbers that might go back weeks.

By way of example I’ve been tracking the number of people that died on 2nd and the 4th of this month.

On those dates it was announced on the 2nd 136 people had died and on the 4th 492 had died.

As of today the numbers given as having actually died on those days are respectively:- 329 and 326.

At the very least they should say what the 7 day average for reported deaths is – not misleading daily figures. Today I make it 442.

264726 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to NickR, #1348 of 1913 🔗

I mean, it’s so obvious this this due to reporting methodology by the fact that the weekend numbers are so low every week. BBC going for the violins by reporting the death of a 10-year-old…before dropping in that he had several underlying conditions in the last sentence.

264385 NickR, 4, #1349 of 1913 🔗

7 day average ‘cases’ continues along it’s line, ticking down a bit as we’re all cooped up…… not that it was increasing when we weren’t!

264392 NickR, replying to NickR, 15, #1350 of 1913 🔗

Positive tests 11,299 today. Half the going rate. Is this good news, will it be reported? Imagine the headlines if ‘cases’ had doubled!!!!! And this is with mass testing going on.
What the hell is going on? Testing is all bollox.

264427 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to NickR, 1, #1351 of 1913 🔗

Yes – testing is clearly reducing the number of cases…
(wasn’t that a quote from Handjob yesterday?)

264429 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 1, #1352 of 1913 🔗

its collapsing, just like the narrative!

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

264437 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 1, #1353 of 1913 🔗

Testing is all bollox”

That’s the bottom line. And there is a double bind with testing hospital admissions.

Admissions will rise towards capacity at the end of summer, from both serious infection and normal treatment.

Post-hoc testing will then identify a random selection of RNA fragments that may, or not, be relevant to the identification of morbidity. We all know the large range of error sources.

There will probably be a loose relationship between PCR+ results and actual Covid illness – but only with Ct<20 would you be able to be relatively certain of the relevance beyond a wide margin of error.

Essentially, even with Pillar 1 testing, it is difficult to establish the actual role of SARS-CoV-2 in overall mortality figures.

264460 ▶▶ leggy, replying to NickR, 1, #1354 of 1913 🔗

Only 212k tests. That’s massively down on tests so far this month. ~50% down on the 7 day average.

Someone might think that they’re doing less tests to make it look like lockdown 2 had a significant effect.

264509 ▶▶ assoc, replying to NickR, 1, #1355 of 1913 🔗

And the number of positive tests in France has fallen away dramatically last few days. Have they changed the test or reduced the number of cycles. Anyway it seems like good news

264540 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to assoc, 3, #1356 of 1913 🔗

D’you know, it wouldn’t surprise me if they reduce testing in advance of the Commons vote then start ramping up to be able to report increasing ‘cases’ as the vote gets closer.

264400 Professor, replying to Professor, 13, #1357 of 1913 🔗

We are told that the “90% efficacy” of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine derives from an accidental (and incorrect, according to the initial trial protocol) dosing regimen given to just 3,000 people. For the bulk of the trial subjects the efficacy was 62%.

The trial data showed 101 out of 12,000 in the control group tested positive, or 0.84%. This means that 25 infections would have been expected from the 3,000 participants. A 90% effective vaccine implies 2-3 infections actually found; if the 62% efficacy for the main trial conditions had applied, then 9-10 infections would have been present.

The difference between the claimed 90% and the rather less impressive 62% will therefore involve relatively low numbers that are unlikely to be statistically significant–the difference between “62%” and “90%” involves plus or minus 7 infections.

It seems inevitable, given government pressure, that the vaccine will be approved irrespective of any statistical considerations. However, is it proposed to roll this out with the original dosing, that has just 62% efficiency and reasonable trial size, or with the accidental protocol that has been tested on just 3,000 people but which could, if the statistics held up, give 90% efficacy? Logic might suggest that the second option would be better, but realistically, before the modified dosing regimen is rolled out to millions of people, you would surely expect it to be put into a new trial with more significant numbers than the 3,000 involved.

Given the haste to roll this out, anyone would think that we have already invested hundreds of millions in this particular vaccine already.

264442 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Professor, 1, #1358 of 1913 🔗

I did some calculations earlier also (assuming the control group and vaccine groups were a 50/50 split and working back from the 70.4%, 90% and 62% percentages. I estimated that there were

101 positives in the control group (50% of all participants)
3 positives in the wrong dose group (making up about 15% of all participants)
27 positives in the right dose group (making up about 35% of all participants)

If you assumed that the vaccine efficacy was the same in both groups given the vaccine, it’s very unlikely that so few of the 30 positives in the combined vaccine group would be in the wrong dose group. It’s about 0.13% chance there would be 3 or less of the 30 positives in the wrong dose group so you can understand where they are coming from statistically.

But given the mess up that has gone on you can’t trust the data at all, so I don’t think you can trust that statistical analysis.

264443 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Professor, 2, #1359 of 1913 🔗

Again similar to other trial only 0.84% of the control group tested positive so why do we need a vaccine?

264464 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to dpj, #1360 of 1913 🔗

Yes about 12,000 in the control group does give just 0.84% (=101/12000) or less than 1 in a 100. Staggeringly low isn’t it.

264472 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1361 of 1913 🔗

Yep, in 2 vaccine tests 0.6% and 0.84% of control group tested positive for the most deadly and contagious disease ever 🤔

264492 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to dpj, 1, #1362 of 1913 🔗

Someone just posted figures for 3rd test and it was 0.7% of control group

264453 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Professor, 3, #1363 of 1913 🔗

I suspect they have been told to go away and retrial on a larger sample size – or is that where we, the UK population come in? I do not believe the ‘accident’ narrative. The higher dosage was likely cut due to side effects. They have been slippery from the outset – the first pause for the lady who had undiagnosed MS only came to light after the second pause for unconnected Transverse Myelitis. A lot seems to have happened in these trials including prior to starting (the pre-clinical monkey trials)
Did The Oxford Covid Vaccine Work In Monkeys? Not Really (forbes.com)

264470 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1364 of 1913 🔗

They accidentally gave 30% of the vaccine group the wrong dose. Really? I agree it all looks very suspect.

264474 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Professor, 5, #1365 of 1913 🔗

These were the numbers I found and worked yesterday:

Pfizer:
43,661 participants (half in the control group)
170 developed Covid symptoms (0.39%)
~90% of those with symptoms had the placebo (though I gather the “placebo” in vaccine trials is often a difference vaccine.)

Moderna:
>30,000 participants (half in the control group)
95 developed Covid symptoms (0.32%)
~95% of those with symptoms had the placebo.

Oxford/Astra Zenica:
>20,000 participants (half in the control group)
131 developed symptoms (0.65%)
~75% of those with symptoms had the placebo.

I wasn’t able to find any reference as to whether the participants were still have to adhere to social distancing, masks, etc., but I assume that they were seeing as it’s “law”. So what does that even tell us about vaccine efficacy in a “normal” population?

264478 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to leggy, 3, #1366 of 1913 🔗

You would have to assume that participants were supposed to carry on life as normal as possible ie no masks, be in public places as much as possible or trial is worthless.

264525 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to dpj, #1367 of 1913 🔗

And didn’t they choose the location of some of the participants (e.g. Brazil) to maximise the chance of finding ‘infections’ by going for participants in the tropics when the virus had passed through western Europe!

264571 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #1368 of 1913 🔗

And they also said

Recruitment of those who have a higher chance of being exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is being prioritised, such as frontline healthcare workers, frontline support staff and public-facing key workers, in an effort to capture the efficacy data as quickly as possible.

And still just 0.84% in the control group

264701 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Professor, 1, #1369 of 1913 🔗

Your numbers seem about right. I think it does work out to “statistically significant” according to the usual “two sigma” standard though.

The 95% confidence interval for the 90% out of 25 is 78% to 100%. Better than 62%. The confidence interval for the 62% (assuming 128 actual infections) is 54% to 70%.

So the bigger dose has a less than 2.5% chance of actually being better than 70%, and the smaller dose a less than 2.5% chance of actually being worse than 78%. That makes it definitely better!

I wonder how well a 1/4 dose would work…

Were they counting infections or actual Covid? The Pfizer trial was counting confirmed Covid (symptoms + PCR). If it was just positives it doesn’t alter the statistical significance of the difference between the two doses but may affect comparisons with the Pfizer vaccine.

EDIT: No it does affect the statistical significance of everything. To do this properly you need to factor in the error bars from the actual tests, which are wider if you’re including asymptomatic positives. So it might be enough to make the Astra doses overlap with each other and/or the Pfizer results. But we don’t really know what those errors bars are with much certainty…

264401 NickR, replying to NickR, 23, #1370 of 1913 🔗

Hospitalisations, boringly continue to flatline. They were flatlining before our useless corrupt, thick MPs voted to destroy your job, sentance your mother to another stint in solitary confinement & rob your kids futures, & they’re flatlining still.

264716 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to NickR, 1, #1371 of 1913 🔗

No, no, that can’t be right, because the Blathering Bullshit Co have an actual quote from an actual person that says they are the highest ever. So you can stick that in your pipe and smoke it, evil deniers!

264408 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #1372 of 1913 🔗

Never in a million years did I think I’d hear my inner voice saying, “Yes! Go, Daily Mail!” #alternatereality

264424 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1373 of 1913 🔗

Yep. Funny feeling isn’t it?

264623 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #1374 of 1913 🔗

Yes, like hoping that Trump would win the election!

264668 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 2, #1375 of 1913 🔗

I’m a lifelong Democrat, but I have to admit that I want Biden to lose.

264411 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #1376 of 1913 🔗

Maybe this is posted elsewhere, in which case, apologies for duplication.
Delingpole’s recent podcast is extremely interesting https://youtu.be/EtuIWPl7of0

264415 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #1377 of 1913 🔗

Interview of Patrick Wood, who tracks technocracy.

264422 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to calchas, #1378 of 1913 🔗

Yes. Verty compelling and depressing…but also inspiring

264419 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #1379 of 1913 🔗

It’s long….but superb. About an hour in it Tals more about the current reset. Nevertheless the whole thing is worth a thorough listen. Thanks James for the vodcast.

264491 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #1380 of 1913 🔗

Correction: it talks…not Tals. Sorry for autocorrect. I spotted it too late to edit the post.

265060 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #1381 of 1913 🔗

Well worth a listen. Dellingpole can’t believe what he is hearing.

264418 John P, replying to John P, 13, #1382 of 1913 🔗

Sir Charles Walker in full flow. Saying what I think most of us here wish we could say.

Two clips, one outside and one inside parliament:

https://twitter.com/Tridg98/status/1331242604219011074

264433 ▶▶ Jo, replying to John P, 4, #1383 of 1913 🔗

When is this going to stop?

264530 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo, 3, #1384 of 1913 🔗

Worth remembering that no MPs voted against the ‘Coronavirus Act’.

264450 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 18, #1385 of 1913 🔗

What is incredible is that in this ‘Mother of Parliaments’, Charles Walkers fury is the exception, where it should be the rule.

264457 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 8, #1386 of 1913 🔗

The Mother****** of parliaments.

264665 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to RickH, 2, #1387 of 1913 🔗

Desmond Swayne expresses similar levels of anger – don’t forget him!

264436 Mark, replying to Mark, 34, #1388 of 1913 🔗

Impassioned Charles Walker Raises Protest Arrest Incident in Commons
This has been posted a couple of times below, but I make no apology for posting it again here. I’m fascinated to see what a backbench MP can achieve when as genuinely outraged as Charles Walker clearly was (and rightly so). Will be watching this develop.

Here we see Walker encountering the incident:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1331236485748678657

And here he is blasting the Commons about it shortly afterwards.

https://youtu.be/-rMniXEtFu4

One of the few MPs currently earning his salary!

264448 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 1, #1389 of 1913 🔗

I just posted it Mark.

264473 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 6, #1390 of 1913 🔗

Your post wasn’t showing when I started writing the post. No harm in repeating it imo.

264477 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mark, 2, #1391 of 1913 🔗

Keep posting it – it reignites my faith in politicians. Not much, but it helps.

264446 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1392 of 1913 🔗

If any of yous are needing a laugh just remember there is people that still think this is about a virus.

264449 ▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 13, #1393 of 1913 🔗

Excuse me – a ‘deadly’ virus.

I am eagerly awaiting the Coronavirus Adjective Act, making it mandatory to preface the word ‘virus’ with the word ‘deadly’ when it is clear that it is SarsCov2, which is being referred to.

264456 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 2, #1394 of 1913 🔗

It is deadly for some people.

That does not justify lockdowns or any other restrictions.

264462 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 9, #1395 of 1913 🔗

Yeah – those with 23 co-morbidities.

264469 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 12, #1396 of 1913 🔗

Agreed, the flu is deadly for some people, the common cold is deadly for some people. The hysteria over this virus is farcical.

264488 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1397 of 1913 🔗

The hysteria over this virus is deadly for some people.. me!

264539 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to John P, 2, #1398 of 1913 🔗

Life is deadly – and not just for some…

264619 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 7, #1399 of 1913 🔗

Cars are deadly for people who die in car accidents.
Plane crashes are deadly.
Small objects of all kinds are deadly if a toddler swallows them.
Alcohol is a virulent poison.
Aspirin can kill if you’re allergic to it, or take too many tablets at one time.

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate. In fact, Life is really too dangerous to be allowed in the UK and it ought to be banned immediately.

264713 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to annie, 3, #1400 of 1913 🔗

Almonds are deadly in large quantities. And cocoa. And caffeine. And water.

264796 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 2, #1401 of 1913 🔗

oh totally my favourite remark of the day:
‘Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.’
How about a T-shirt with that on it for wearing to the supermarket, amongst the ranks of the nappied ghouls?

264654 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to John P, #1402 of 1913 🔗

So the deadly for some people coronavirus? That’s a mouthful. Can we add deadly for some people lockdown? Or deadly for some people Tier 3 (2, whatever)?

264709 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to calchas, 1, #1403 of 1913 🔗

I thought ‘deadly second wave’ was already mandatory?

264458 ▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, -16, #1404 of 1913 🔗

I don’t find these smug comments amusing.

264466 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 10, #1405 of 1913 🔗

Well I do.

Keep it up Huntzy!

Or does SAGE recommend outlawing smugness?

264476 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 11, #1406 of 1913 🔗

You will find those that adhere to the rules are the smuggest of all John. I don’t have the humility not to smug in return.

264485 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to John P, 8, #1407 of 1913 🔗

Sorry Dad.

264465 chris, replying to chris, 3, #1408 of 1913 🔗

Now we know what vaccine refuseniks will be subject to

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1331284222468878340

264479 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to chris, 2, #1409 of 1913 🔗

Very interesting that the original post has been retracted. At least it proves that it was a genuine communication. I had my suspicions that it might have been a fake.

264483 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to chris, 2, #1410 of 1913 🔗

Brilliant slapdown from Simon. Nads really is a chancer. 🙁

264487 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ceriain, #1411 of 1913 🔗

What did the original post say?

264516 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1412 of 1913 🔗

that “without a vaccine we would not reach herd immunity” ……. the problem being that dear Nadine has forever dismissed the concept of herd immunity

264528 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1413 of 1913 🔗

That people who refuse a vaccine will face a curtailing of their Liberty, or words to that effect.

264547 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1414 of 1913 🔗

Here you go, Londo. Simon’s no fool; smart boy screen captured it as he knew she’d delete the original.

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1331239071201562624/photo/1

264650 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1415 of 1913 🔗

Ah, it says “short-term restrictions” until we reach “herd immunity”. Well, interesting indeed. How will we know when we’ve reached herd immunity when the government keeps misrepresenting the stats?

However, in the real world, we may not be that far from herd immunity now, so this could actually provide an incentive to refuse the vaccine since there is an endpoint to your place as social pariah.

264552 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to chris, 6, #1416 of 1913 🔗

Been withdrawn now, we shall see what happens.

How long does petrol keep for in a milk bottle before it goes off? Asking for a friend.

264575 ▶▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to jakehadlee, #1417 of 1913 🔗

It’ll be crap after a year.

264468 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1418 of 1913 🔗

The Dominion Voting machine users handbook for those interested:

https://1drv.ms/b/s!Agv7JEO8MngCijHpCffR9yOHwBvi?e=5PE414

Chapter 8 is the one that explains how to delete votes.

264667 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1419 of 1913 🔗

Interesting that Smartmatic UK ‘s principles are Venezuelan

264480 chrissie, 4, #1420 of 1913 🔗

German medical professor Dr. Schrappe says on German TV (ZDF, the German BBC): the numbers of the German RKI (the medical institution driving all measures) are “worth nothing. Not even worth the paper they are written on.” https://amp.zdf.de/nachrichten/zdfheute-live/videos/schrappe-corona-kritik-video-100.html?__twitter_impression=true

264482 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 34, #1421 of 1913 🔗

Latest reply from my MP. Do I detect some irritation that I keep bothering her with uncomfortable facts? I sent her the list of collateral damage of lockdowns and asked her if she has seen a Government cost-benefit analysis – of course she ignored that as we know (amazingly) that it has not been done!

Dear Dr …………

Thank you for your e-mail.

While you will note that I have been happy to engage extensively with your concerns over the past several months, my office continues to receive an unprecedented volume of enquiries, with a significant proportion being serious casework, on a daily basis. This has been the case since March. I do not therefore have the time to engage substantively with each point you have made below.

However, I think it is clear to every objective individual that a global pandemic will inevitably wreak considerable havoc upon our day to day lives; upon the services on which we rely; and, unfortunately, on our health in some cases. We have seen that immutable truth bear out in several countries, especially in Europe.

That is why the Government drew up and operationalised a package of support which represents the largest economic intervention by the Government in British history. It remains the case that our response must equal the scale of the challenge before us, and it does. We have so far supported the livelihoods of approximately thirteen million people; the Government has ensured thousands of small and medium-sized businesses could get quick and favourable access to finance when they needed it; and a host of other measures, including rates relief and tax deferrals, will ensure businesses can stave off financial difficult until a return to normality.

The Government has also been clear since March that it simply will not be possible to protect every job or business. That is unfortunately the nature of an emergency of this scale. However, with regards to non-coronavirus NHS services, it was necessary to postpone some NHS activities to protect individuals and enable resources to be used as efficiently as possible. My colleagues in the Department of Health and Social Care, as well as NHS Staff, have been working to restart elective procedures. From the 28 April, NHS services began restarting, including the most urgent, like cancer care and mental health support. The exact pace of this restoration has been determined by local circumstances, according to local need and demand, and according to the number of coronavirus cases being dealt with by each hospital.

Throughout this outbreak, people have been encouraged to continue to seek medical help where they need it. The Government has continually urged people to seek care if they are experiencing chest pains: in April, the NHS launched a public health campaign to persuade people to seek the urgent care and treatment they need. Even during the time of most stringent restrictions, people were still permitted to leave their homes to seek medical help.

GP practices are open for business, and I would encourage everyone to seek medical help if they need it. I fully support the use of technology in General Practice and Primary Care to improve access for people who are less able to make appointments in person, whether because of work and childcare commitments or travel and transport challenges. In recent months this technology has proven extremely useful in enabling people to access the care that they need without risking exposure to Covid-19. However, I agree that GP surgeries should enable patients who wish to speak to a doctor in person to do so, where they can do safely, as quickly as possible.

While, when viewed in isolation, some statistics can be particularly alarming, they must be viewed in context. I think it is unhelpful to neglect the fact that the coronavirus represents an emergency of unprecedented scale in the modern world; we cannot pretend that this year has been like any other in terms of assessing economic performance, output and so on.

Thank you for taking the time to contact me again.

Kind regards



I have sent her this reply:

Dear Mrs …………..,

Thank you for your reply which did not however answer the question I asked which was “…. whether you have had sight of any Government cost/ benefit analysis of the current policy.

Sadly, no such analysis exists and thus, I’m afraid, shows up the total incompetence of the Government of which you are a member. You have ruined the UK economy, destroyed many thousands of businesses, thrown millions of people onto the unemployment scrap-heap and taken away our liberties in the name of protecting the population from a virus which is now incontrovertibly known to be no more dangerous than a seasonal influenza.

Please do not bother replying to this as I have given up trying to reason with you.

264507 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DocRC, 22, #1422 of 1913 🔗

Well, that put you in your place, how very dare you ask the person whose wages you pay, to justify what her witless government is doing.

It really does piss me off that she bangs on about the ‘help’ that the government is giving, like it’s their own money and we should be jolly grateful. And the use of the word “unfortunate”. There’s nothing ‘unfortunate’ about it, it is quite simply the wilful destruction of the economy and the trashing of our ancient liberties.

264517 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 10, #1423 of 1913 🔗

Like an abuser ‘helping’ by chucking a towel at you after breaking your nose.

264531 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #1424 of 1913 🔗

Exactly. They just do not get it. I don’t want tax-payer handouts, I want autonomy to earn my own living and make my own decisions and my business succeeds or fails because of me, not the actions of this cretinous load of idiots.

264598 ▶▶ Mark, replying to DocRC, 8, #1425 of 1913 🔗

I think it is clear to every objective individual that a global pandemic will inevitably wreak considerable havoc upon our day to day lives

The tragedy of this one is precisely that this global pandemic absolutely did not have to wreak any havoc on the vast majority of people’s lives. It could safely have been ignored by the vast majority. It’s the panic response that has turned it into a global catastrophe.

264609 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 5, #1426 of 1913 🔗

And, it’s very difficult to be “objective” when this government is actively destroying your business. So much easier to be “objective” when it does not touch you in the slightest.

DocRC’s MP is mine also and I have received the same asinine drivel as he has posted here. I responded in exactly the same way he did. She clearly views her constituents as irritants to be batted away. As you say, never forgive, never forget: and I won’t.

264640 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, 3, #1427 of 1913 🔗

And which version of the word ‘pandemic’ is it?

Is it the one pre 2009 before Pharma companies pressured the World Health Organisation to change the definition?

264855 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to DocRC, #1428 of 1913 🔗

It’s good to see these replies from MPs but I wish you would all name them. Only fair if we know their colours, surely?
Later… It’s Kemi Badenoch, is it?

264493 leggy, replying to leggy, 1, #1429 of 1913 🔗

I’ve finally received a reply from my MP too – answering an email sent in September! Anyone care to pick apart their argument?

Thank you for your email regarding the Coronavirus Act. Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to you. I can assure you that I understand your frustration. The first lockdown was difficult for us all. I had really hoped we would not have to repeat it.

Like you, I have always been concerned about the impact of further restrictions on our economy and people’s wellbeing. When the County Council recommended a move to Tier 2 restrictions for the whole county a couple of weeks ago, my fellow Conservative colleagues in Oxfordshire and I made it very clear that we were worried about the impact on our constituents’ mental health and on businesses. The hospitality sector has, in particular, faced a lot of uncertainty since the start of the pandemic. Any move to further restrictions needed to be avoided for as long as possible.

Unfortunately, we have seen significant community transmission in other parts of the country. Cases are not confined to one particular section of the population. Rather, we are seeing a spread across all age groups, including the older cohorts who do tend to be more at risk. This comes at a time when the NHS is already experiencing its normal winter pressures. It is critical that hospitals are in a position to deal with those patients with coronavirus alongside other seasonal admissions. Given all this, a second national lockdown was unavoidable. No one in Government wanted to return to that situation – it is exactly what we have been working so hard to avoid over the past few months. Ultimately, however, these are decisions made by the Government on the professional advice of the Chief Medical Officer and the Joint Biosecurity Centre.

We do not need to look far to recognise the severity of the situation. Many of our closest European neighbours are in a very similar position. France has reached a peak infection rate of 53,238, while Belgium and Spain have also experienced second waves forcing them to return to lockdowns and curfew restrictions. We know that the infection rate in the United Kingdom is only a couple of weeks behind continental Europe. We really do need to act now. The Prime Minister made that very clear when he spoke in the Commons earlier this week:

“I am sorry to say that the number of COVID patients in some hospitals is already higher than at the peak of the first wave. Even in the south-west, which has so far had lower case rates than most of the rest of the country, hospital admissions are over halfway to their first-wave peak. The latest analysis from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, published on Friday, suggests that the R remains above 1 in every part of England, which means that the virus is continuing to grow among the population. Every day that the number is above 1 is another day that the number of cases will rise, locking in more hospital admissions and, alas, more fatalities, pushing the NHS ever closer to the moment when it cannot cope.”

I would like to reassure you, however, that all the measures in the Coronavirus Act are temporary, and proportionate to the threat we face. It is important that they will only be used when strictly necessary, and will only be in place for as long as required to respond to the situation. I welcome measures in place to review this act on a six monthly basis to ensure that the measures remain appropriate. It is clear that the virus will be with us for some time, and it is vital that we are able to take necessary steps to save lives.

Having had coronavirus at the start of the pandemic earlier this year, it is not an illness which can be taken lightly. We must continue to take the threat of COVID seriously. We know the pressures the NHS faces every year over the winter period; it is vital that we ensure these services can continue to operate fully over the coming months. The generous support the Chancellor has provided for businesses including the extension of the furlough scheme to March 2021 will, I hope, help keep many of our businesses going.

If there is anything I have learnt from our experience with the virus since its outbreak, it is that we all need to be more understanding and kind. We all want to be able to enjoy Christmas with our families, free of any further restrictions.


264498 ▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 4, #1430 of 1913 🔗

If I were to pick one point to zero in on in this stream of drivel, then I would go for ‘cases’.

264521 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 5, #1431 of 1913 🔗

Are our MP’s all bonkers?

264618 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Dan Clarke, #1432 of 1913 🔗

Most likely bought

264534 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 4, #1433 of 1913 🔗

Yes the letter also interchangeable uses cases and infections. There seems to be a clear lack of understanding of the difference.

None of the European countries are seeing any excess fatalities I would point out that they are ruining livelihoods and mental health for a casedemic not a pandemic.

Where is the evidence any of it works if ‘cases’ are still rising based on their own data. Are we not suffering from the definition of insanity?

Based on his apparent concern for business we can presume that the MP will vote against Boris’s proposed tier system?

264520 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to leggy, 2, #1434 of 1913 🔗

The reply from my MP was very similar
I wonder if they are copying from the same place.

264581 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to leggy, 6, #1435 of 1913 🔗

The first lockdown was difficult for us all…”
It was more difficult for some than others…Sitting pretty on £80k+ expenses plus pay rise, with the only real inconvenience being you have to plan some time in advance whether you will stay at your main residence or your backup property in the Shires for a few weeks, probably not that difficult.
It was probably harder for those who now face dreadfully uncertain long-term unemployment prospects and may lose their house as a result; or had to identify the body of a loved one found dead in their dorm after being barricaded in it; or lost a business they had worked tirelessly at for big parts of their lives; or been told a career in dance, music & the arts they had trained for for decades may not “be a viable job” in the future.

“Like you, I have always been concerned about the impact of further restrictions”
Be wary any time someone starts a sentence with, ‘Like you’. It’s a social engineering technique designed to establish empathy. Often used in sales. It rarely means the person really is, “like you.” And sometimes it simply means, “whatever comes after ‘Like you’ you can assume is BS..”

“Even in the south-west, which has so far had lower case rates than most of the rest of the country, hospital admissions are over halfway to their first-wave peak.”
Don’t have specific figures to hand, but I suspect this would be in dispute. The video posted here (and elsewhere) a while ago about the Nurse who walked out & gave a speech, was definitely somewhere in the SW. She had knowledge of several hospitals & trusts in the area, and hospital admissions and certainly mortality from covid-19 patients was extremely low.

“Every day that the number is above 1 is another day that the number of cases will rise, locking in more hospital admissions..”
At the risk of repeating what other posters have put eloquently – a swab in the nose is Not a case! & it is not indicative of infection, as Prof. Allyson Pollock told the BBC the other day. How many +ve test results taken in private homes, or car parks, or Uni campuses, subsequently result in a hospital admission? I would est. a very very, very small %. If any, at all. This is not the same as eg. falling off a ladder, going into A&E with severe fractures and internal injuries, being force-tested for covid and subsequently becoming “a case.”

264842 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to leggy, #1436 of 1913 🔗

Who is this MP? Name please?

264500 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 46, #1437 of 1913 🔗

The most CRITICAL rhetoric we must URGENTLY challenge is:

“A vaccine is the only way out of this.”

NO!!!!

A return to NORMALITY is the only way out of this. Normality means freedom of speech, the right to mount a peaceful protest, the right to earn a living, the right to a family life without restriction, the right to bare your face wherever you choose, the right to free movement in your country of residence, the right to private spiritual practice and complete sovereignty over your own body.

THAT IS THE “WAY OUT OF THIS”!

264576 ▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #1438 of 1913 🔗

Absolutely right.
Normal is what we must demand. Not any revolting ‘new’ normal, but true normal.

264502 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1439 of 1913 🔗

Plan coming together nicely

264512 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1440 of 1913 🔗

Unfortunately, history repeats itself time and time again. Divide and conquer / problem reaction solution / the proles fall for it every time.

264555 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1441 of 1913 🔗

They do, but then it never goes the way it was planned in the end, usually to the significant inconvenience of all the human race. Remember when the Nazis were a good way of getting rid of the Commies, and could be tidied away neatly afterward.

264577 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to jakehadlee, #1442 of 1913 🔗

Yes, unfortunately the ones who see it coming get dragged along with them.

264704 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1443 of 1913 🔗

‘History repeats itself: first as tragedy, then as farce’ – Slavoj Zizek

264532 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1444 of 1913 🔗

Awareness of the Hegelian dialectic has been a staple of conspiracy forums for as long as I’ve been indulging in online wrongthink, mostly because its use is so common and so effective.

264541 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1445 of 1913 🔗

That’s my new thing learned today, thank you.

Never heard of Hegelian dialectic  before, had to look it up.

264546 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1446 of 1913 🔗

It explains a hell of a lot, you can’t unsee it.

264596 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1447 of 1913 🔗

You should watch the latest Ivor Cummins video. “Non-removable bracelets” are mentioned (not by Ivor, I hasten to add).

https://youtu.be/9IcwLxCo2pM

264637 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #1448 of 1913 🔗

Jesus Christ. Why don’t we just get numbers tattooed on our wrists and little yellow stars stitched to our clothing.

264604 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1449 of 1913 🔗

I’m hoping for a natural disaster to derail plans. Before it gets to the final stages

I’m thinking an asteroid or maybe Mount Etna, which is long overdue. I wish Covid was as deadly as they say it is. I’d rather die of it than live like a persecuted, frightened, tagged and tracked prisoner for the rest of my life

264508 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 33, #1450 of 1913 🔗

Also keep chanting:

“A CASE is NOT a positive test result for debris from ANY coronavirus with no accompanying symptoms”

“Asymptomatic CASE” is an OXYMORON!

Man, I’m fuming tonight!

264579 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #1451 of 1913 🔗

Footballer Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive three times.. (Three cases.) I’m guessing he’s fit and healthy

He called the PCR tests bull s**t

264757 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Ben, #1452 of 1913 🔗

Evening Jamie. Yes he absolutely was throughout & is now. After the 3rd time in his immediate game back he scored twice. I’m sure zealots would have said “well, he’d normally score a hat trick”

264767 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Ben, 1, #1453 of 1913 🔗

I’m watching Mr Ronaldo at this very instant, and am more than happy to confirm that, yes, he is fit *clutches hanky to bosom*.

For some reason, Pirlo has made Dybala captain. So sweet, but they’re nil-one down to the Hungarians.

Yes, I know. Bread and circuses.

264778 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, #1454 of 1913 🔗

Also Dustin Johnson tested + 4 weeks ago and he just won the golf masters Green jacket. Looked pretty fit to me – not that I watch golf anymore or any other sport for that matter (apart from horse racing)

264594 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1455 of 1913 🔗

Yes, I went into a detailed version of that again on yet another Daily Mail comment this evening. Obviously, it seems like it’s not been repeated enough, so I just keep saying it.

264714 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1456 of 1913 🔗

According to the Guardian you can have asymptomatic Covid, which is one step up.

264754 ▶▶ yohodi, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1457 of 1913 🔗

A case doth not a coffin make..

264510 Dan Clarke, 25, #1458 of 1913 🔗

Pity we’ve got Johnson, and Hancock, instead of someone with integrity, like Charles Walker MP

264518 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 59, #1459 of 1913 🔗

Just watching the government “advice” concerning Christmas.
In my almost 72 years on this planet, I have to say: I HAVE NEVER HEARD SUCH A LOAD OF B××locks in my all of my life.

264702 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1460 of 1913 🔗

‘Families are now facing a big choice about whether to take advantage of the freedom to meet up at Christmas – or whether to play it safe.’

At least the whole tone and content of this kind of article now makes me laugh rather than rage. Such pathetic ninnies!

264527 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 26, #1461 of 1913 🔗

Latest observations from my travels – I have no idea why schools are bothering with any nonsense on site. Driving pasts schools when they are being let out very few masks in sight, no social distancing, pupils on large groups with their friends like the old normal, nothing out of the ordinary.

What do the numpties who are coming up with this shit think is happening outside of the school? The kids continue the same bullshit as inside?

Good to see our local primary – no masked parents, no masked kids, no social distancing outside.

Delivered to a big independent grammar school – no masks, no social distancing, no bullshit at the reception, wouldn’t even know a pandemic was on with masks and so on was happening.

264680 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1462 of 1913 🔗

The vast majority of schools are pretty sane inside (with one exception, but I am working on revenge…). Staff generally wear some kind of nappy or visor in corridors but not if you’re just nipping across the way, and the staff room is basically outside the LARP. Everyone sits around maskless eating and chatting. Also imagine my surprise today when I arrived to find the class teacher was leading the kids in singing , something I thought had been made tantamount to armed robbery.

But yes, concur on the scene at the school gate and the bus stops. Parents ignore the yellow queue lines sprayed on the pavement, older kids give their mates a seatie on the bikes, a right and proper weekday morning scene. Bafflingly there’ll be a group of four kids in the street and one has got his nappy on, but not the others.

264687 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #1463 of 1913 🔗

In my area the only sane school I know of is a nursery. I am looking for a sane primary but no luck so far.

264533 John P, replying to John P, -9, #1464 of 1913 🔗

I get very upset with people who play psychological games. One of the favorite memes that does the rounds here and elsewhere is “it isn’t about a virus”. That one particularly grates.

Those that say it consider themselves very clever. As though they’re smarter than their peers. I’m not sure what the “it” that is referred to actually is though? Care to explain anyone?

On second thoughts don’t bother. I roll my eyes.

We don’t do free speech as well in the UK as in the US. (And there they do it badly these days). So I always feel a slight sense of trepidation when confronting people about this: the lockdown zealots and also the plandemic zealots. They love to accuse their critics of being secretly on the other side. Of course the lockdown zealots don’t come here very often.

To some extent they are right though. Human psychology is the principal at play here and it always has been. (I don’t think that is what they are talking about though.)

In fact, in my opinion, ultimately is is fear that is driving all of this. The conspiracy minded of LDS are just as susceptible to irrational fears as the covidians of this world are. Only for them the fear is not of a virus, but of politicians or Bill Gates or Claus Schwab or George Soros.

Personally, I think that Claus Schwab cuts a rather absurd figure and that Bill Gates is delusional. I don’t agree that these people are to be feared. Ignored would be better.

And again, as I have said on many occasions already, any attempt to deflect attention away from the blond pig and his criminal cabal only serves to benefit him. It gets him off the hook. And he is in control of this country legally and in reality. Johnson is the real power broker in this country at the moment. No-one else.

264536 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 14, #1465 of 1913 🔗

It is not about a virus.

John it is November now, not April.

Johnson – a real powerbroker ? . 🙂 🙂

Delusional, absurd AND dangerous – no contradiction.

264538 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to John P, 13, #1466 of 1913 🔗

That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

You do seem to be perpetually distraught though. Have you considered purchasing looser fitting underwear, or eating more fibre?

264553 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 26, #1467 of 1913 🔗

Viruses don’t shut down businesses, cancel medical treatment, go to sleep at designated times and dates, destroy economies and civil liberties and impose arbitrary rules and create upflows of wealth to the richest in society

264556 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ben, 8, #1468 of 1913 🔗

You are right James Governments do that.

264560 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 8, #1469 of 1913 🔗

Seeing a wider conspiracy does not let Johnson off the hook.No prime minister of this country has had true independence of action since 1940 when the country bankrupted itself;yet they still carry responsibility for their actions.

264569 ▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 6, #1470 of 1913 🔗

You are becoming a little bit absurd John. Next you will be posting that the virus has been isolated and has met Koch’s postulates showing cause and effect and has been cultured in petri dishes up and down the world as firstly vaccines were developed on animals before being tested on the very poorest communities in the world.

Don’t be absurd John. We are all fighting a much bigger deal than whatever is upsetting you.

In short it truly does not matter that you are upset by others opinions formed by reliable facts and lifetimes of judgement. Some one writes unbunch your panties. I say try writing with purpose it may help you positively.

One thing we can both campaign on is ridding LDS of fucking mask adverts wtf is that all about, underlined and underscored.

264573 ▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 9, #1471 of 1913 🔗

I wholly agree.
My up vote came out as a down vote! This is sabotage!
IMHO, if Bill Gates is all we have to worry about, we can all go home happy. It is indeed our horrible, vile, tyrannical governments (including the Scottish and Welsh stalinists) that we need to concentrate on.
I’m not afraid of any of them. I just hate them for using the gibbering cowards all around me to remove so much of life’s richness.

264743 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to annie, 1, #1472 of 1913 🔗

You underestimate the man.He has corrupted science,government and Medicine to follow his mania for vaccines.Remember 10 years of health is on its way with a vaccine for every year.Even if you don’t believe in conspiracy he is a very dangerous man.

264647 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to John P, 6, #1473 of 1913 🔗

I would love to ignore Klaus Schwab, except that politicians all over the world make clear on a regular basis by their choice of WEF buzzwords that they take him very seriously indeed.

264657 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 6, #1474 of 1913 🔗

John – you’re getting a bit obsessive about this.

There are differences of opinion about what is ultimately driving this nonsense – and the issues are open to debate.

I myself am wary of forcing the ‘GGC’ (Great Global Conspiracy) model – which tends to be simply a magnet for every hobby-horse, from Climate issues to ‘Wokeness’.

But, in parallel, I think we have got past the point where simple gullibility, incompetence and group-think satisfies Occam’s precept.

For want of a better definition, I reckon that Mike Yeadon’s analysis that convergence of varying interests as a driver provides a good stand-in for an umbrella explanation.

Certainly, there is good evidence of specific pressure as well as simple follow-my-neighbour stupidity, of which that of the old favourites – the pursuit of power, money and influence – are persuasive and supported by rational analysis.

264535 caravaggio57, 21, #1475 of 1913 🔗

Just watching the Champions League game in Russia. Krasnodar v Sevilla. It is wonderful that there is a crowd at the match! I never thought that Russia would be more free than the UK, but that is where we now are. In contrast the Manchester United game later will have an empty stadium.

264548 CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #1476 of 1913 🔗

A plea for a link – yesterday I saw a link to a group of lawyers asking for people to contact them to take part in class actions they want to take forward.
I can’t remember if it was on here or on SORUK though.
Has anyone here seen something like this?
Thanks in advance.

264566 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CGL, 1, #1477 of 1913 🔗

Try Leah Butler-Smith’s Twitter account.. I think she’s involved in class actions

264589 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1479 of 1913 🔗

I don’t think class actions per se are allowed under English law (although they are in USA and Canada.

264610 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DocRC, #1480 of 1913 🔗

I thought that too. How did those poor post office franchisees do it all together though – was that not a class action?

264621 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CGL, #1481 of 1913 🔗

It’s called group litigation in England. Similar lar thing.

264630 ▶▶▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to CGL, #1482 of 1913 🔗

https://www.emmlegal.com/publications/class-actions/
Not quite the same thing as class actions

264606 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, #1483 of 1913 🔗

Found it – it was on an SORUK post – https://rational.global/

Thank you though

264551 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 51, #1484 of 1913 🔗

The fuckwits will “allow” me to do Christmas for 5 days will they?

They can fuck right off and I’ll do what I want anyway.

264562 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1485 of 1913 🔗

Crony’s been working hard all year. It needs a well earned holiday, so it’s taking five days off at Christmas. Probably last minute package holiday to Mallorca

264564 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1486 of 1913 🔗
264583 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 12, #1487 of 1913 🔗

If the numpty Scots put up with that, they will give the final proof that they are abject slaves.
Scots wha hae wi’ Wallies fled.

264750 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1488 of 1913 🔗

Only independence can save us from Covid. Apparently. Then every day will be Hogmanay!

264561 Mr Bee, replying to Mr Bee, 16, #1489 of 1913 🔗

Positive tests plummeting but very little mention of it in the MSM. What a shock that reported ‘covid’ deaths are rising & this is receiving all the attention. Time to end all this nonsense now. Its all but over.

264607 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mr Bee, 2, #1490 of 1913 🔗

And with tests plummeting then deaths can’t be far behind. Then it will be all lockdown worked so we need more of it.

264705 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mr Bee, #1491 of 1913 🔗

I don’t understand why they’re not bigging it up, they can claim it was all down to lockdown can’t they?

264568 leggy, replying to leggy, 15, #1492 of 1913 🔗

So, Qantas insist on vaccines for travel. Alan Joyce is the Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director at Qantas Airways Limited. This must just be another coincidence.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/alan-joyce

264588 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to leggy, 7, #1493 of 1913 🔗

Quite a lot of coincidences recently.

264710 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to leggy, 4, #1494 of 1913 🔗

good research

264732 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 1, #1495 of 1913 🔗

Ahh penny dropped

264806 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to leggy, 2, #1496 of 1913 🔗

Good catch! I’ve stopped believing in coincidences.

264574 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #1497 of 1913 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8981739/Matt-Hancock-claims-Tier-Three-restrictions-lockdown-werent-tough-enough.html
This gets better and better-Hancock wants to put Strepsils and Lemsip out of business

264586 ▶▶ leggy, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #1498 of 1913 🔗

Matt Hancock today laid out his aspirations to keep up mass-testing for mild illnesses like the common cold — even after coronavirus is defeated.

The Health Secretary said, having spent billions on huge diagnostic capacity for Covid-19, he wants to put it to use post-pandemic.

FFS!! Health passports…

264641 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to leggy, 4, #1499 of 1913 🔗

Well with a name like Hancock he seems to believe he can piss money up the wall on stupidity schemes.

264660 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to leggy, 2, #1500 of 1913 🔗

Been leant on by the testing companies methinks, can’t have the share price of his cronies’ firms crashing once the vaccine is the only game in town, can we?

264699 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leggy, 2, #1501 of 1913 🔗

You what? Testing for the common cold? Is he genuinely absolutely for real?! Does everyone testing positive have to isolate for 14 days? Schools would only be operational for a couple of weeks a year!

Please don’t tell me he wants to eradicate the common cold next. Not that it would be in any way possible, but if it was, talk about creating a population with zero immunity to anything. In comes the next new virus and BAM, we’re all dead. Then he’ll learn what “unprecedented” really means…

264587 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to crimsonpirate, 21, #1502 of 1913 🔗

The guy’s an idiot – a dangerous and deluded one at that. It tells you all you need to know about his boss too to think that someone of his calibre was deemed an appropriate appointment to such a serious position. Can you imagine being a senior hospital doctor having to sit and listen to him in a meeting.

264593 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1503 of 1913 🔗

But these senior doctors are playing right along with Wancock’s delusions.

264613 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1504 of 1913 🔗

That is the problem – incontinent idiots cease to be funny when they have the keys to the asylum.

264632 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #1505 of 1913 🔗

I have no sympathy for them. They have in the main watched this man terrorise the population and destroy everything we had for almost a year and just nodded along. Any that are competent will have known all along that his every word is a lie or misrepresentation. Having to sit and listen to hancock is merely the universe starting to assert its own form of justice. It only gets worse for them from here if they choose to nod along to evil.

264591 ▶▶ annie, replying to crimsonpirate, 14, #1506 of 1913 🔗

You gotta laugh.You just gotta laugh.
I get a cold. Instead of staying in bed for a day and dosing myself with lemon and honey, I have to crawl into a test centre and get a stick poked up my nose.Twenty-four hours later, I’m told that I officially have a cold. Or, given the reliability of testing, that I don’t have a cold and that my coughs, sneezes, watery eyes, sore throat and temperature are purely imaginary, but that I should lock myself up anyway and anybody I’ve been in contact with for the last fortnight ought also to be locked up.
I ask you….

264626 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to annie, 7, #1507 of 1913 🔗

This just panders to the whole “worried well” hypochondriac culture where you are “pre-hypertensive”, “pre-diabetic” or some other “pre-<insert maladie du jour here> where the doctors happily lavish you with completely unnecessary drugs peddled by the largest drug pushers in the world.

264646 ▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1508 of 1913 🔗

Correct .. i’ve just told my GP a big fat NO to all that rubbish.

264698 ▶▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to janis pennance, 1, #1509 of 1913 🔗

Good grief! You managed to get an appointment with a GP?

264803 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1510 of 1913 🔗

And get increfibly lucrative financial inducements to prescribe them.

264639 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to annie, #1511 of 1913 🔗

You dont ‘have to’ you may in the face of coercion ‘choose to’. There is always a choice.

264611 ▶▶ RickH, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #1512 of 1913 🔗

Hanoncock is now definitely certifiable, and needs to be straight-jacketed and put into quarantine for the good of the nation.

How the f. does he think the human race has survived so far?

… and does he think it’s a good idea to kill society on the spurious basis of pretending to prevent life in the wider sense?

(No – don’t answer that – he is possibly that deranged – or is transfixed by the thought of his coffers being filled)

264672 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to RickH, 3, #1513 of 1913 🔗

And denied that herd immunity ever existed , the man is a disgusting individual who should be hung, drawn and quartered.

264805 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Nic, #1514 of 1913 🔗

Too good for him.

264580 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 16, #1515 of 1913 🔗

Here’s another new video from Ivor Cummins: https://youtu.be/9IcwLxCo2pM

This one includes part of a Zoom call by an Irish “biology” teacher to his students. The most interesting phrase in it is “non-removable bracelets”.

Ivor has started a kickstarter to make a film to explain the facts about covid. The second half of the video I’ve linked is the trailer for the film. The direct link to the kickstarter is https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/capecrusaders/the-covid-chronicles

Off to chip in a few quid myself! Ivor’s presentations are always calm and rational, and I’m happy to support him financially again. Anyone else who’s still got an income and can help out – highly recommended!

264600 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to ConstantBees, 14, #1516 of 1913 🔗

Hmmm…..nothing at all sinister about “non-removable bracelets”. In several sci fi TV programmes and films the dissidents were fitted with non removable collars that enabled them to have electric shocks administered by some tyrannical madman. One step at a time folks, one step at a time.

It’s only a mask
It’s only a vaccine
It’s only a bracelet
It’s only a collar

Slowly we inch into Orwell’s nightmare.

264651 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Laura Suckling, 13, #1517 of 1913 🔗

It’s only a train ride.
It’s only a shower.

264706 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1518 of 1913 🔗

You forgot it’s only a chip

264617 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #1519 of 1913 🔗

Another evil mad man who has been placed into a position of ‘authority’ exposes himself for all with open eyes to see.

264635 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #1520 of 1913 🔗

ive chipped in a tenner

264793 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to janis pennance, #1521 of 1913 🔗

Me, too.

264656 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #1522 of 1913 🔗

Luke O’Neill is insane – a danger to society. Pharma shill.
https://freepress.ie/2020/10/luke-oneill-a-trojan-horse-for-british-vaccine-scam/

264677 ▶▶ CGL, replying to ConstantBees, #1523 of 1913 🔗

Just an aside but there seems to be # for BLM – what is the connection there?

264695 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #1524 of 1913 🔗

The wonders of zoom, virtual meetings and masks, gives these fucking twats a voice and a platform to spit their bile and shit from their own little narrow minded brain.

Unhuman and inhumane