2020-11-24

Good morning.

Just reading Tom Chivers in Unherd about the Oxford vaccine. Regardless of what you think about this vaccine or vaccines in general, consider this: like so many of the “rational,” “moderate” commentators Chivers uses the word “lethal” in reference to covid. “…given how lethal this disease can be, it is nonetheless good news that no one ended up dying or in the ICU.”
It’s lethal on an individual level if you die of it. So is an ingrowing toenail, which can get infected leading to death by blood poisoning. But we don’t define “lethality” in this way because it’s MEANINGLESS.
Except that meaning is dead. All that matters now is the signalling and inculcation of emotion.
And emotions can be inculcated perfectly through the manipulation of meaning. For instance, in the same piece by Chivers, here are Mr Wint and Mr Kidd, aka “a false sense of security” and “fear that a sense of security may be false”, twin manipulators never seen apart, triggered by a (deliberate, if you like, or reflex, as I prefer) misrepresentation of what constitutes “herd immunity”:
“Your 3 billion doses at the end of 2020 would vaccinate 2 billion people worldwide, not 1.5 billion. That’s nowhere near enough for herd immunity, especially if the efficacy is on the lower end of the estimate, but it’s enough to vaccinate a huge chunk of at-risk groups and essential workers such as healthcare staff.”
I’ll have my shot, please. One, point blank, mid forehead, like Poirot’s mark of Cain.

We’re not allowed to get herd immunity the natural way anymore. As we’ve done for hundreds of thousands of years

Instead we have to get it from a vial

To their apoplectic exasperation, however, we get herd immunity the way nature intended anyway, whatever they do.

This is actually what the much-maligned King Canute meant. He was so sick and tired of his fawning retinue telling him he could do anything, he went and sat by the sea and commanded the tide not to come in, KNOWING THAT IT WOULD IGNORE HIM and prove that he was only a mortal.

What our governments are currently doing is deploying an assortment of massively expensive, untested, giant Heath Robinson vacuum cleaners to try to suck the tide in, because they don’t believe it will come in on its own.

Or they’re following orders, the same as every other country

A vile vial.

an evil, live vile vial.

Though it is clear, and has been for months, that getting immunity the natural way is safe (possibly safer) for most of us, while a vaccine is unlikely to work for many in ‘vulnerable’ groups. Hence the logic of the GBD.

It’s almost as if public health isn’t really the agenda.

It should be clear by now, to anyone with a still functioning brain, that the coming Covid-19 vaccines are an essential component of the depopulation agenda, that Bill Gates has been talking about for over ten years. You get vaccinated only at great peril.

To quote Diana West: “The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.”

Dear Jamie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

From Ivor Cummins : “A must watch. I can say no more. You can support the corporate takeover of our society. Or you can support truth in science, and protect our future. The latter protect our society, over the actions of vandals. It is your choice. Make it wisely.”

This is surely one, if not the best video to share widely.

What’s coming in the vial is immunity from life.

“I won’t be in today, boss. I’ve got a bad dose of the lethal flu or it might just be a bad cold, which as you know can also be a lethal coronavirus.”

I just posted on Unherd:-

What we are learning from this is that The JCVI, Prof Pollard’s committee whether or not he has recused himself, is about to give a green light to product which is manifestly in an experimental stage (ie they don’t even know what dose to give). Incidentally, in February 2016 meeting the JCVI enjoyed the hospitality of Prof Pollard’s research institution (the Martin School) and his college (St Cross). This can easily checked in the minutes. We know nothing of the long term effects of any of these products: auto-immunity, neurology, cancer, fertility, birth defects, mortality. Chivers is an enthusiast but he cannot tell us. People are telling us to have the vaccines who do not stand in any line of ethical responsibility.

And I also posted this:

What we do know is that in April when the human testing of the Oxford vaccine began there was an article in the New York Times saying that the monkeys in the animal tests had not caught the virus, and then a month later it was admitted that they had. Presumably if this had been said in April human testing could not have gone ahead, but there was too much money involved. The problems are all there in the mainstream but people are being corralled:

Peter Doshi, ‘ Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us’, BMJ 2020; 371 (Published 21 October 2020)
William Haseltine, ‘ Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed’, Forbes 9 September 2020

Nor do we see responsible behaviour from government bodies, only hysterical and often rather corrupt behaviour.

This is the NYT article about the monkeys being free of Covid in April:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html

and this the story admitting that they’d really had it after all from May:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8331709/Oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-does-not-stop-infection-experts-warn.html

I’ll leave others to work out what can be concluded about the reliability of information from these sources.

From my evidence to the Scottish Parliament January 2018 (Prof Pollard, Jeremy Hunt and te JCVI):

The position is therefore simple irrespective of any contracts for the Group’s work at the time Prof Pollard’s appointment the JCVI, or whether he was named on any of them: Prof Pollard was director of OVG and the business of OVG was meningococcal vaccines and Bexsero in particular. This ought, I believe, to have precluded him from chairing the JCVI or certainly discussing Bexsero. Irrespective of manufacturers like Novartis or GSK taking an interest in the product it is stated here by Oxford University in 2013 (the date at which Prof Pollard was appointed the JCVI) that the product is developed by OVG of which Prof Pollard is the director. The Bexsero decision is controversial. Subsequent to the decision in London the PBAC in Australia (their equivalent of NICE) was still dismissive of the product, both of its effectiveness and value for money (5): – The PBAC noted that the submission had not addressed the previous concerns of the PBAC in regards to the model, namely uncertain and optimistic assumptions about the extent and duration of effect and herd immunity. The PBAC was also concerned with the discounting rate applied in the model that considerably favoured the 4CMenB vaccine. The PBAC considered that none of the proposed program options were cost effective as presented in the submission. This underlines how essential it would be for any decision to be completely beyond suspicion, particularly bearing in mind that the Secretary of State for Health [Jeremy Hunt] was putting pressure on the committee over Bexsero before Prof Pollard was appointed. He wrote in a letter to the acting chair of the JCVI before the June 2013 meeting (6): I would be grateful if the committee could make the recommendation at the earliest practicable time recognising the need for scientific rigour, a strong evidence base that includes an assessment of cost effectiveness, and proper reflection of the benefits, risks and uncertainties in the committee’s advice and recommendation …

http://www.parliament.scot/S4_PublicPetitionsCommittee/General%20Documents/20160129_PE1584_D_JStone.pdf

So, Pollard was appointed to chair the committee in October 2013 and in February 2014 chaired a discussion which led the vaccine being added to the schedule for infants subject to price – the vaccine was the sold off by Novartis, with its vaccine division, and Hunt was able to announce it as window-dressing for the coming election in March 2015, finally being added to the schedule in October 2015, in a process that was somewhat less than transparent.

Chivers hasn’t met a vaccine yet he doesn’t love.
This analyst shares Barry Norris’ concerns abozt the Oxford vaccine.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/it-will-never-be-licensed-us-analyst-warns-astrazeneca-vaccine-efficacy-embellished
I think it’s development process is typically British: sloppy and botched, overpromising and underdelivering, patriotic waffle, CYA etc..

You’ve put your finger on a critical narrative issue, Nomad.

I’ve seen that adjective ‘LETHAL’ used so often in a sense that is so uncontextualised that it is just fiction.

It’s advertising/propaganda bollocks, and you really shouldn’t be writing about Covid if you are so scientifically (and perhaps functionally) illiterate that you apply it to this moderate, quotidian virus.

Take out the well-known multi-disadvantaged ‘vulnerable’ groups, and you have a disease that is actually remarkably mild in its effects in comparison with the PR.

Even in comparative historical terms, the mortality during the period of its prevalence is nothing exceptional. We have survived far worse without flinching like cornered rabbits.

… and that’s before getting into a realistic reduction of mortality figures actually linked to Covid – rather than the fictionalised ‘cases’.

I was in my local pharmacy today, looking at all the publicity material around the fiction of ‘saving lives’ by observing quaint, irrelevant rituals of obeisance.

What was obvious is what the enlightened know – that is that this is no medical crisis – it’s a politically driven PR/propaganda bonanza benefiting various financial interests.

‘If God had intended men to fly, Mr Wint…’
‘He would have given him compulsory covid vaccinations, Mr Kidd…’

Concerning the stupid new tiers and the asinine cod Stalinist play-rape of Christmas, what the fuck is “Christingles”? I thought it was a decorated orange, but apparently it’s a Christmas service that’s more important to mention than, say, the four Sundays of Advent.

Chistingles seems to have been popular in late 19thC Germany, a childs tapered candle.
Resurging around the turn of this century I think as a way of expressing chrissmassy feelings but without the Mass which might sound a bit religious as though people know what Christ Mass means any more than Holy Day.

Presumably it therefore started life as “Christkindl”, “Christ child”, which also gave rise to Krispy Kreme. Sorry, I mean Kris Kringle. So the candle represented the presence of the Christ child.

I just don’t understand why it’s mentioned as being a form of Christmas service that is acceptable to the overlords.

My local council tried Winterval on us a few years ago but have since returned to Happy Christmas with their holiday street lights.

I seem to remember that it was the Effnick Minorities, supposedly offended by Christmas, who called for its reinstatement?

It was white liberal guilt trippers presuming to speak on behalf of minorities many of whom love Christmas.
See pictures of Dubai airport during the festive season (but perhaps not this year).

I wonder if those white liberal guilt trippers ever get surprised by finding out there are rather a lot of black and brown Christians in the world, including 22 million in India alone, the third largest religion in the country. Probably not.

It isn’t too much of a stretch to imagine Justin Welby pushing for the abolition of Christmas, lest some minority of whom he knows nothing might be offended by it. It’s a kind of reverse missionary position, if you’ll pardon the expression. All the missionary arrogance and knowing-better and infantilisation of the other, but to the opposite effect.

Yes it seems to have become a cult in its own right. One of the weirdest things about the church is that it will do anything to distract people from worshipping Jesus, its supposed reason for existing – e.g., Mary, saints, Easter bunnies, communion wafers etc. Christingle is just another method for a minister to get out of having to do the really embarrassing stuff like praying.

Because it’s an infantilised version.

It is a lovely service, the only one I used to attend every year. Vicar/Rev. used to sit all the children around him and make it an intimate service.

It’s for mummies and kiddiewinkies, not grown-ups. Probably appeals to Welbybaby as it’s about on his intellectual level.
BTW, did you know that Welbybaby is planning to take a four-month sabbatical? Evidently the strain of being the worst archbishop in the history of the Anglican, and probably the entire Christian, church is getting to him.

It is probably the most challenging spiritual concept that Oberfuhrer Johnson can get his befuddled head around. Did you see him on TV? he looked like the living dead, on his zooom call to Parliament he managed to press the mute button, it was like a zoom call to a demented grandad in a care home. Good to know the Country is in such safe hands!

Uber. Like ubermensch. Overman, not Superman. Which Boring Boris certainly is not.

Tim Stanleý gave Welby a good kicking in the Telegraph yesterday for skiving off in a time of lockdown induced crisis and the CofE for about everything.

Ends with a great piece on travelling through London with a mask. Not scared of the Covid but of the State.

I really don’t know how Welby can call himself a man of God.

I see. Well, I’ll just add that to my very long list of reasons to be happy that I am not a parent.

I did read about Welby heading off for a stint of advanced navel-gazing, yes. It’s a good idea. He’ll be able to focus on the issues dear to his heart, like lobbying for the UK to continue giving foreign aid to China, without being distracted by trivialities of religion.

He’s just trying to avoid jail – like the previous pope chap.

The format of the typical service comes from The Children’s Society. Collections taken during Christingle services are normally sent to The Children’s Society. Perhaps there was pressure from the charity?

Which used to be called The Church Of England Children’s Society until they got ashamed of their own name.

Christingle services are becoming ever more popular in churches these days. It uses the visualisation of orange, ribbon, sweets and candles to depict the religious story and Christmas. We have had one for many years at our church, but won’t this year as it is a little hard on Zoom.

It’s the most popular Christmas service at my church attended by none church going families with small children who like the oranges and candles.

Well, apparently this is a major cultural change that has passed me by as a childless nomad. Personally I quite like the Tridentine Mass where the priest mumbles with his back to the congregation, but there you go. That’s why I’m a childless nomad.

Here’s how anti-lockdowners are described in the latest Economist, so that you know what the ‘Managerial Class’ is being told. They describe the crowds at the protests in Stroud as an example. This of course also describes Gupta, Battacharya, Kulldorf and all the other GBD people: ‘Cranks and Conservatives’, ‘Big government opposers’, ‘Covid19 deniers’, ‘raging conspiracy theorists’, ‘far right activists’, ‘science deniers’, ‘Piers Corbyn climate change denier’ and ‘adherents to QANON’. Equates the protests with XR and BLM – people who simply need protests to feel important. I guess all the signatories to the GBD are science denying scientists too.

Complete horseshit. Obviously.

They say “big government opposers” like that’s a bad thing…

It will be a bad thing when we succeed in overturning all their power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lncr2g9XJHU
Led Zeppelin

The days when Rock & Roll ruled your soul.

PCR=PHONY CORONA RESULTS.

Don’t get that.

Correction to your last suggested sentence

‘I guess all the signatories to the GBD are science denying ‘scientists’ too.

No suggestion as to where rational, logical analysers of the facts and data fits in to their list.

I found this in the Guardian, 11th Nov.
While purporting to be antisceptic it nevertheless outlines many of our arguments quite clearly.
I have seen several such articles and they remind me of concentration camp slave workers sabotaging the weapons they were forced to assemble.

That struck a massive chord with me at the time. Lots of hysterical ranting about conspiracy theories and then a calm deconstruction of the argument for muzzles, just tucked away inside!

Having one’s life destroyed by lockdown rules imposed by politicians (who have shares in Pharma and tech companies) is fine apparently. No human rights. Destruction of the economy, civil liberties, life as we knew it

I don’t see why it’s OK for innocent people to kept under house arrest for months and months for asymptomatic ‘cases’

Quote from thought to be from Gandhi

First they Ignore you
Then they Ridicule you
Then they Fight you
Then You Win

Currently we are in the late ridicule – early fight stage (depends on the local situation) – but we will win

Too right we will!

The Roman version with early Christianity
First they outlaw you.
Then they tolerate you.
Then they Celebrate you.
Then you are made compulsory.

We’re used to it. Muck from morons, who cares?

The problem is we have forgotten how to protest. We have all thrown away our torches and pitchforks as we mistakenly believed we lived in a democracy. BLM can get 30,000 to a march and chase the rozzers up the Mall. We end up jumping into bed with Piers gang because we cannot organise anything and end up getting beat up by the TSG. So many people I speak to want to protest but they have no way of knowing when a march or bout of saucepans banging will be going on as the MSM won’t play with us.

They forgot to mention the ‘flat earthers!” And ‘those that believe Elvis lives on the dark side of the moon!’ I borrowed that from the brilliant Mark Windows, whose excellent Windows on the World website and radio shows are full of information, and well worth your time.

In your links, you refer to “Stanford” as “Stamford”. Probably should fix that.

I hope Stamford, too, is against Covviebollox, but I doubt it. It’s a beautiful, prosperous town, but for that very reason likely to be full of bedwetters the horizontally inadvertently incontinent.

I for one will be ignoring our unsavoury governments childlike yet facist restrictions up to, during and after Christmas.

As an only child Xmas day meant me with mum and dad so no change there.
Aged 14 or 15 I met up with a local mate after The Queens Speech to wander the deserted North London streets until we found an open Turkish cafe which sold us a bottle of red wine to be drunk in the locked shut park.

Late teens and early twenties Xmas late afternoon evening meant twenty or so closest friends only congregating at whoever had the biggest flat at the time, mixture of singletons and couples. Alcohol only, we didn’t do drugs.
I have no doubt that we would do exactly the same this year so a pox on your 3 household Christmas johnson.

Actually we would probably do similar every night if the pub was closed or made miserable by anti-social distancing.

Christmas has always been bloody miserable in my family. Singing in carol services and concerts has always been the only part of it that I enjoyed. I’m quite looking forward to not spending three hours on the A1 to be harangued by my mother while she throws various food items out of the window.

Lol!

You are impressively eloquent for this time in the morning, NN! ( stifles yawn and blinks with admiration ).

It’s lunchtime here! The wonders of time zones… I’m in Thailand. The Foreign Office instructed me to come “home” in March, but I saw what was coming and decided to invite them to stuff themselves. I’m not regretting my decision.

I can see why you stayed, but Northumbria is the poorer without you.

So the Astra-Zeneca jab works better the lower the dose?
That’s how homeopathy works. Hence the joke about the man who forgot to take his homeopathic remedy and died of an overdose.
So anybody who refuses the A-Z vaccine will presumably get the maximum dose and an instant freedom pass. Whoopee.

We need a good Snake Oil salesman to peddle distilled water as the new wonder vaccine everyone could have a shot be happy and carry on. Maybe a new career opening for Trump?

If life carries on on the trajectory it’s going, I’d rather take the type of dose offered at Dignitas, Switzerland – thank you very much

A future dystopian police state defined by fear, control and poverty. The unvaccinated demonised like Jews in Nazi Germany by a fascistic mainstream media – no thanks

They keep the fact hidden now but both the Queen and her mother (lived to be over 100) always did/do use homeopathic remedies. I consulted a homeopathic practitioner once and found it very helpful – and it had a very definite physical effect. But it was bloody expensive!

The pig dictator is holed up in The Ministry of Truth despite having had the flu and testing negative for the flu

Greater love hath no man

Rutherford and Aaronson were most probably vaporised shortly after Cummings and Cain left

I wanted to hear from the PD yesterday ( no not really I just made that bit up), however it would appear The Princess Nut Nuts is hogging the remote control

Quantas are scum!

This is hardly surprising though. Once a government owns you you are at their mercy. Like the mob.

But this is all a conspiracy though right?

Trips to Australia were once free ( well in one sense anyway)

One-way trips.

No your confusing it with LSD

Except that you were sprayed with DDT on arrival!

Except that you were sprayed with DDT on arrival!

I well remember – back in 1984 – the Quaint Arse (Qantas, geddit!) stewards walking up and down the aisles of the 747, which had just transported me round the world, spraying the cabin with ginormous cans of some sort of insecticide. What a nice way to “greet” people who were intending to spend money in their country. And that was before I got to immigration control…

Most vaccine requirements are set by governments to allow access to their countries, it is not the job of airlines to dictate they are required for travel on their planes (only to check that the passenger has the correct vaccines for entry to their destination country).

Qantas!

Storm the BBC!

There was an orthodox Jewish wedding in Brooklyn on 8 November referred to on this page yesterday.

This was not just any wedding but the daughter of the Rebbe (the head of the whole congregation). A fairly unbelievable 7,500 are said to have attended, and even if it wasn’t this many there were a huge number of people. Indoors, no masks, singing.

Now this is not the only one. A typically ridiculous response to a typically stupid article in the NYT yesterday referred to a cousin’s chasidic wedding 6 weeks ago.

So presumably the death rate from COVID in the areas where these weddings are must be huge ? Although it’s a bit soon for the big one, others go on all the time.

Well, in Kensington (NY) and Williamsburg, the centre of Satmar life in NY, the death rate for the last 7 days was 0.1 and 0.2 per 100,000, that’s the equivalent of 9.5 and 19 per day adjusted to the UK population.

Can somebody please explain why there are people out there who can’t see community immunity when it’s so blindingly obvious.

Boris and his merry bunch of clowns can’t see the evidence even when it hits them right in their face.

They can it that doesn’t help The Agenda, does it.

Gov’t diktats are the opposite of what they should be. People with healthy immune systems mixing, getting infected, developing immunity is what used to happen

Freshers Week was a rights of passage for students getting colds and flu. There is a cultural history of sharing infections in communities to develop natural immunity

It used to be meningitis that was the main fear from the sudden mixing at Freshers Week. Now that can be seriously dangerous – but noone got hysterical about it.

Freshers are vaccinated now before heading to uni. One or two died every year at the beginning of term.

Yes. You’re right. Meningitis is deadly. It should be taken seriously

My comment was framed in the context of cold and flu

Do you remember in summer when thousands flocked to the beach and all the muggles were screaming how they should be denied hospital care and how granny will be killed. OMG the horror, the body bags when… oh, two people died. The evidence is overwhelming but totally ignored by handjob and the chuckle brothers. But that’s the problem with a lie to keep it going the lies get bigger and bigger and more stupid.

Bojo is going to sell us down the river on Brexit so he’s hiding in his bunker like the coward he really is. Someone should give him a loaded pistol and tell him to do the right thing!

AFAIK, the New York orthodox community is the core customer base for Dr Zelensky of Zelensky protocol fame that the medical establishment have memory holed, since he proved a successful treatment back in March.

Strength in number.

I am pleased to see half a dozen letters in the Telegraph hostile towards the pub plans. I can only hope, for the sake of the English pub, that MPs manage to get Princess Nut Nut to change her mind on this issue as, by the end of March, there won’t be any pubs left.

I wonder if any Grauniad readers ever crawl out of bed, get out of their wet pyjamas and go to a pub?

I doubt it and the way Guardian readers exist, if they don’t do something, they think it is “wrong” and should, therefore, be banned.

A Macdonalds manager tells me that Deliveroo riders are queuing up at 07.00 to whisk skinny lattes to opulent addresses where they help those comfortably WFH to start their day.

Oh, I’m sure they do, in Battersea, for brunch (avocado and smoked loin of peasant on a waffle, to be consumed while waffling, endlessly).

Is there such a thing as a Guardian reader anymore? The publication has betrayed everyone of its principles and I can’t think of anyone who might read it anymore other than lefty members of staff at GCHQ.

Hasn’t the company got a huge trust fund keeping it going as the numbers of readers can’t support the cost of it?

I believe it is subsidised by the profits of Autotrader plus multiple subscriptions from the BBC and academia plus recruitment advertising from the woke ruled* public sector.

*not having a go at Public Sector workers.

Supplemented by Gates.

Thanks PI. Surely everyone should know this by now !

Not here there isn’t. Used to be a supporter, but their coverage of The Virus has been a joke, so no longer. Don’t think they’ll miss me though…as mentioned, they’re sitting pretty in funds.

CCHQ, more like

Very very true Londo. I was a regular reader until the angle grinder episode after the Snowdon reveal.

Monbiot once again revealing his true colours yesterday in shilling for the pharmaceuticals.

Cheers

Simon

I used to read them but stopped because of their obsession with victimhood status and their pathological obsession and dislike of America. At some point I thought they had relocated to the USA.

There still are – tend to live in areas such as Islington, Hampstead, Highgate where they are insulated from the consequences of what they advocate.

At the start of the scamdemic I switched to watching RT. I have suddenly learnt that places exist in the World, that are not the UK, US or France.

I stopped reading it because of its support for ‘gender’ ideology and victimisation of Suzanne Moore, who has now resigned. Then there was Owen Jones and his crawling to the appalling, anti semitic ‘Corbyn project’, and the obsession with BLM, as well as the sanctimonious pontificating of the ghastly Monbiot man.

And don’t forget that the founder of the Manchester Guardian made his money from a cotton plantation run on slave labour!

Something they like to ignore. Oh and they avoid paying their fair share of tax too. As much as I loathe Jeff Bezos, the Graun aren’t exactly clean when it comes to tax as well.

That surely is reason enough for it to change its name – perhaps to The Collaborator – and then defund itself, giving all its money to BLM.

I reckon it’s actually written by Armando Ianucci or someone of similar wit as a very clever parody.

Guardian takeover.

That’s the plan; no pubs. Places where people can meet and discuss things are always forbidden in dictatorships…which is where we are headed.

Er…about air travel and vaccines- let’s not get swept away by the anti-vaxx brigade, please. When I was a lad we lived in Indonesia and Oman and every time we traveled by air back to and from London we had our passports and our yellow vaccination card showing dates of last smallpox, polio and TB vaccinations. This was – and is – completely normal so I don’t see why people are getting in a flap about countries and/or airlines requiring passengers to be vaccinated against Covid19. It’s not the plague but it’s nasty nevertheless. Let’s focus on ending these ludicrous lockdowns and mask wearing. I have been speaking to a lot of people recently about this and sadly most are still completely sunk in the covidthink mindset.

I agree with you about focusing on the lockdowns and mask wearing. However, it’s not “anti-vaxx” to be wary of a rushed vaccine, let alone one (or rather two) that make use of a completely untried technology.

100% agreed. The term “anti-vaxxer” is equivalent to “conpiracy theorist” – it’s aim is to shut down discussion.

What a ludicrous statement. First off, the diseases you named are far more serious that c19. Also, none of them are required for a UK person to fly anywhere.
Quantas were also looking to apply it to internal flights as well as international.
No one is required to show they haven’t got a common cold/flu and those can be deadly, especially in tepid climates.

You wish to focus on lockdowns and masks solely? The vaccinations are an extension of this draconian agenda. So it is all needing fought and conquered. One beats the other.

The vaccine isn’t an extension of the lockdown, it’s the end goal of the lockdown. Crush society sufficiently, it’ll willingly roll up its sleeve and beg to be jabbed.

“…until a vaccine is found…” – the coda since day 1.

“…until a vaccine is found…” – the coda since day 1 .

Needs to be rammed home.

Not just one vaccine. Once we have a digital health passport, they can come up with a never-ending series of vaccinations that we “need”.

There were (are?) some countries required a yellow fever vaccination as a precondition to entry, but obviously that’s not most countries. It’s also worth pointing out that the vaccines you get for travel to exotic climes last at least a decade (twenty years for a hep jap if you have a booster) – from what we know of the Covid jab you’d be expected to have it at least annually, which obviously means that any risk is increased.

I assume that Qantas can get away with this policy because they have a strangehold on the Australian market. Without a government mandate, I expect the more competitive markets of Europe and the USA to be warier about following suit.

At least one company is pushing back – https://twitter.com/uktwinds

That’s what we want to see – the free market in action.

Looks like there’s pushback from a number of sources now.

No they are not required any more, and the diseases were more serious, but my point is that it’s not some new conspiracy plot for an airline to require vaccination certificates, it used to be standard procedure – unlike lockdown and mask wearing, which were copied lock stock and barrel from China, a viciously totalitarian communist country beneath its sparkly capitalist sheen.

Was it the airlines or was it the destination countries?

Destination countries I believe.

New for an airline, as opposed to a country, to require them. Unless I’ve missed something.

Smallpox, polio and TB vaccinations: tried, tested and proven to be effective without long term side effects.

COVID-19 vaccination: untried, barely tested and no proof of being effective without long term side effects.

I’m on a very expensive drug that took around 10 years to be brought to market because of the stringent safety protocols on a novel drug. Think of the c19 vaccine as a completely novel drug brought to market in a matter of months! The problem with the ‘vaccine’ definition is that it raises the ‘straw man’ anti vax (conspiracy) label. If the government is, as we know, expecting a ‘high volume’ of adverse drug reactions (ADR’s) from the c19 vaccine (a novel drug), who would take the risk of what might be a serious irreversible drug reaction when you’re over 99% likely to survive an Infection from c19?

Good question. But I think if I was a nurse or a care worker exposed to large numbers of genuinely sick people every day I wouldn’t hesitate to be vaccinated if it offers 90-95% protection. As for the rest of us, as you say, I’d rather take my chances until more is known.

However, we are now 9 months down the line, so if a health worker has been exposed for thisclength of time, I would guess they have pretty much robust immunity to the virus.

… it raises the ‘straw man’ anti vax (conspiracy) label.

Would you mind translating into English ? Not trying to be silly, it is capable of several different interpretations.

Hi John – I was meaning that the ’anti vax’ label is the the ‘straw man’ often used to attack those who have legitimate concerns around a completely novel vaccine which has unusually short testing protocols and is being fast tracked.
This linguistic device which mis-characterises an opponent’s argument and then attacks the mis-characterisation is used all the by politicians and is easy to spot!

A vaccine rushed through in record time tied to a digital/health passport without which you are a second class citizen.I think it’s right to be angry and masks/ lockdowns are measures to push you towards a vaccine.

Not all vaccines are the same and some of the new ones are a very different and new technology compared to any vaccines we have had before. I knew people at school who had had polio and still know adults who had Polio as a child it is a horrible disease and I am glad i was protected by a vaccine but be in no doubt the introduction of the Polio vaccine was not trouble free, there were problems and contaminated batches. Consequently it is entirely reasonable to have a least some caution regarding these new style vaccines that have been rushed through at such a lightning speed.
In the end I may well need a vaccination for international travel but I have no intention of being first in the queue!

Track and trace, lockdowns, masks, quarantines and vaccines all go together. It is unprecedented to need to prove your health status to attend public places, large social events – even work, school possibly. This is different from the old vaccination cards you mention. Technology is now at the forefront of medical surveillance and brings with it valid concerns about privacy and control that were just not possible when you were young.

Oh I totally agree Marialta, demanding vaccination for work, school, or anything within the UK is totally unacceptable.

The South Korean system is based on analysing peoples’ mobile phone records and bank statements to determine who they have been in contact with. Horrific.

I am firmly in the anti vaxx brigade. Taking a totally new technology vaccine, never been tried before and has had no time to be trialled in the population, just a few months..For a disease that everybody has a 98.7% chance of NOT dying from. The need to prove you are not “ill” with a common cold before you can do anything at all.
A vaccine that will not confer immunity or indeed stop interpersonal transmission just reduce the symptoms, probably less well than a paracetamol or some lem-sip.

Fuck off with that.

“ A vaccine that will not confer immunity or indeed stop interpersonal transmission just reduce the symptoms ” – do you have a source for that information? SIncere question, I am interested to know why you say that.

IIRC, every time vaccine results are published, they never say anything about transmission or immunity. The goal of the vaccine is however, stated – to reduce the severity of symptoms.

I agree with you 100% – I will not take this vaccine – they would have to forcibly hold me down first. The fundamental reason for this is that it is absolutely NOT NEEDED. This so-called ‘dangerous’ virus is nothing of the kind and 99+% have nothing to fear from it, with the vast majority experiencing mild or zero ill effects because they have immune systems capable of efficiently fighting infections. We simply do not need a vaccine, just as we do not need masks, social distancing, repeated hand wiping with alcohol, and all the rest of this horseshit. Enough already!

why the fuck would any sane person want to inject dead babies into themselves?

i’m not a cannibal

That BoB thread is so fantastic, I sent it to a dozen or so friends/family.

It’s one of the best things I’ve seen this year. Superb.

I have put Bob’s cartoons and text into a draft leaflet. You can download the .docx and .pages files here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fp5kii5vaa1jw7v/AACGXIRD2mwoarDXLvi4utsca?dl=0

I just watch this video published by Ivor Cummins. It’s inspirational…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

I’m wondering if there are people here who would like to get together for an online chat to discuss ways in which we could begin to sow seeds of doubt in the general public to turn this mess around. Come up with some guerilla tactics that each of us could carry out wherever we happen to live.

First thing is to obviously talk to those around us, but how do we broach the subject without getting their defenses up. I know I’ve annoyed some of my co-workers with my approach :-).

I’m also thinking things like putting signs up (which will undoubtedly be taken down quickly, but still, we could just as easily replace them) with the real stats, visual images showing lockdown are bollocks etc.

Let’s shift this thing!

Yes please: count me in OP.

And me.

Can you set up a contact email address? A temporary one might be a good idea.

I’m in. Live in south west France. Several French friends are enlightened but most still believe in this lockdown crap. One musician I know is happy to not work for a year because he thinks it means his mother will live to see her grandchildren. He seems to have missed a minor detail of lockdowns there.

Can someone set up a LS zoom call? I’d dial in! Let’s make it regular. Let’s invite people to join and bring their brainwashed friends and family! Maybe hearing articulate, rational people talk about this could help.

I’m in too. BJ has mentioned the spring (6 months) for getting back to normal but to me that means at least a year.

So we do need a long term plan. We surely can’t go on like this for another year. There’s a risk that regulars get stuck on reading 1000+ comments daily and not move on into some other strategy. Many of us are distributing leaflets, stickers, converting as many as we can, but the sum total knowledge of everyone on here is so impressive I think we could develop something online. I like the idea of using Zoom to invite our family and friends, but it would need to be organised carefully.

It’s easy to set up LS, but you need people’s emails in order to invite them.

I’ve joined some open zoom calls. You publish the link then people sign up using an email

I wonder whether you could gather all the online sceptics together to try and expand the pool. Gamers and film reviewers on youtube like the critical drinker have a streamed gathering for about five or six popular guys where they discuss a film or game. This get thousands of hits and shares as each youtuber brings their own audience. Then normally they would sub the youtuber they might not have heard of. Probably cant be held on youtube but bitchute maybe.

Yes please.

sounds good! i’d be interested.

I generally wait for a stranger to start The Conversation, drop a couple of sceptic hints and by and large they already agree.
I believe people think it is socially unacceptable to be a covid or lockdown denier and don’t want to start a conversation with wrongtalk.

“Isn’t the Covid terrible !?”
‘Well there are one or two people dying at the hospital every day. . . which is the same as most years for respiratory conditions’.

“Where did you hear that?”
‘From the governments own website, the ONS’
and away you go. My favourite screenshot at the moment is a graphic showing hospital bed occupancy lower than usual.

I know people making badges/stickers that will identify you as normal (unbrainwashed). Can you imagine the joy of finding and hugging a fellow human being!

Can I get one of these badges? I’m of course prepared to pay!

Half the human population is infected with H-Pylori which causes stomach cancer. Why the Covid Cabal didn’t use that to enslave the world instead, I don’t know

Two thirds have one or other herpes virus in their body… under stress this can lead to shingles, which can be deadly. No herpes vaccine yet. Hmm…

I took Valtrex tablets for about 3 weeks. Powerful stuff. Long, sustained withdrawal symptoms.

I guess because there would be the risk that a vaccine that might actually help reduce death and suffering in the world might be found and that just would not do.

It’s more difficult to pronounce. Doesn’t roll off the tongue.

We need to separate ourselves from the people being labelled conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers. If we say:
1. Conspiracy Theories are Harmful
2. Some vaccines are life saving so anti-vaxxers are harmful.
3. Safe vaccines takes years to be proved safe.
4. But we don’t need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.96% survival rate.
5. “Long covid” is exact same symptoms as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (different name)
6. Look at your face after long term mask wearing and imagine that on your lungs.
7. Suppression of information is dangerous
Etc.

And most crucially, nudging people to start asking what a ‘case’ is. Our lives are being destroyed not for hospitalisations or deaths but for cases, and most asymptomatic

Exactly. Conspiracy theories are not helpful to the cause of those who are sceptical of government policy and believe that the ‘cure’ is more damaging than the disease. The question I ask is whether they know of anyone who has died ‘of’ Covid who didn’t catch it in a hospital or care home or from someone who worked in one. They never do.

“Conspiracy theorist “…is a term coined by Allen Dulles CIA the director in the 1960’s to describe people trying to expose the truth.

Conspiracy theories are not helpful to the cause of those who are sceptical of government policy and believe that the ‘cure’ is more damaging than the disease.

That’s a matter of opinion. One begs to differ.

Any evidence that David Icke is an anti-semite yet ?

Go to a lab with a well used mask, analyze it and take a photo of all the germs crawling about. Then send it to all and sundry.

We need to separate ourselves from the people being labelled conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers.

Given that CTs and AVs are virtually 100% aware of and opposed to the current tyranny, and therefore allies, this appears to be doing the bad guys’ job for them.

That Daily Mail article had a good visual which can be used. And that thread from Bob Moran using his cartoons could be good starting points as well.

I have put Bob’s cartoons and text into a draft leaflet. You can download the .docx and .pages files here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fp5kii5vaa1jw7v/AACGXIRD2mwoarDXLvi4utsca?dl=0

That’s fantastic. Thanks a lot!!

And me!

Yes, yes, yes indeed. We need several thousand people involved to make a difference, although it could well snowball.

I mentioned yesterday that, since Sunday, the sticker on my car:

STOP
COVID
TYRANNY
NOW

had drawn some interest of passers by and I had been able to school one of them.

Below the slogan I have the UKColumn link.

Perhaps we should not expose our links? Keep everything anonymous.

Yeah..I’m in!

To all who are interested, I’ve set up a google spreadsheet for you to enter your email addres so we can set up an online meeting…

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FTKBIIxSA3gr92shjqnGQQKtaGv2JbsEfPQQZR7H2Xk/edit?usp=sharing

This is an open shared link for the moment, so hopefully it doesn’t get spammed. If anyone can think of a better way to do this, please let me know.

Once there’s a decent list of people, we can figure out a good time to chat that works for most people.

I’m interested. For some reason, people seem to generally believe everything I say, and I’m not even working in a soul destroying sales job. I have some art skills, so inclined to go round putting up my ‘improved’ versions of the nag posters on the streets.

Here’s another one for the ‘lessons learned’ section of the independent public inquiry:

‘One of the lasting images of the first wave of Covid is of the weekly “clap for carers” – that moment of national unity that took place on doorsteps at 20:00 every Thursday night.

Health care workers have been very appreciative of public support, but many say they would prefer a proper pay settlement to another round of applause.

And Jo Billings, a psychologist from the Covid trauma response working group at University College London, says “the narrative of health care workers being heroes or angels has largely been really unhelpful.”

It painted a picture that people do this because they’re special, not because they’re simply doing their job, for which they should be adequately paid and protected.

“It’s also been a real barrier to people seeking help with their own problems,” Dr Billings says, “because they feel heroes don’t struggle. An angel doesn’t get PTSD.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54623919

This country is currently being governed by the NHS, something that has been a long time in the making. The result? An entirely predictable monumental disaster, just like every other massive NHS project.

If one thing comes out of this total and nationally mortifying shambles, it must be root and branch reform of the NHS, particularly its funding model, in particular so that front line staff all have an appropriate and satisfactory pay settlement. Where is Thomas Cromwell when you need him?

“by attributing overimportance to praiseworthy actions one may, by implication, be paying indirect but potent homage to the worse side of human nature. For this attitude implies that such actions shine out as rare exceptions, while callousness and apathy are the general rule”

Well…?

– quote from Albert Camus

‘And shall I name one who hath been in our age, and wish him now to live to cure so great a canker? Would God England had a Cromwell: I will say no more.’

Thomas Wilson, Discourse on Usury (1571), p. 182.

Global Public Health, not the NHS.

Quick survey: Do you actually know someone (directly, not a friend of a friend or colleague) who has either been hospitalized with and/or died of Covid-19?
I don’t. And I can only think of one person, who knows someone in Peru whose mother died of it.

No

Brother in law and family caught it, OK now.
Wife’s friend’s son hospitalised: OK now.

NO

No, I only know of a few cases via health and care workers. The only deaths reported by them were falsely attributed to Covid.

I don’t know anyone who’s had it

3 people in hospital (all survived, including one with late stage cancer) and my friend Rob’s 92 year Auntie did die with Covid. Rob was upset at not being able to go to the funeral as he was close to her but philosophical

A few others were moderately ill but not needing hospitalisation

While it is a bad disease, it is in no way worth wrecking society for. We had coped a lot better in the past

Just for context – two friends , a work colleague of over 20 years and a fellow volunteer at a charity , both in their late 50’s / early 60’s died of cancer over the lockdown period (the cancers were not survivable so I am not blaming lockdown in this case) – watching funerals over zoom was pretty shitty

I also know of several folk with postponed operations and other treatments and the teenage son of a mate who has had a mental health crisis (but is pulling through)

Also for context, I don’t know anyone who has had Covid-19 but I have 3 friends, all in their 50s, who are currently being treated for cancer. My husband was also in his 50s when he died from cancer. For someone my age, cancer is a far bigger risk!

Covid-19 is an event that is being ruthlessly exploited.

PFIZER/MODERNA MRNA VACCINE: “YOUR OWN CELLS BECOME THE VIRUS” IMMUNOLOGIST; SIEGE OF HEAVEN READER on Vimeo

This David Halpin pulling no punches 20:30 minutes in, but have not found his web site. I think this may well be his web site. David Halpin (infoaction.org.uk) .

No. I now know 2 health workers who have had it. It sounded very unpleasant and quite long lasting but no hospitalisation.
I don’t even know friends of friends who have died but I do know of 3 suicides in that sphere not counting the dreadful stories we read on here.

I had flu in 2018, and felt terrible, but the freedom that came with that time seems like paradise compared to what’s happening now. I wish I could turn the clock back

Jamie, what time of the year did you have the flu?
I ask because my wife and I went down with flu on the 2nd of December that year and we were really Ill, we both lost half a stone and I remember on the 9th of December (my 70th birthday) I struggled to get out of bed and stand up.
Luckily by around the 22nd of that month, we both began to feel a lot better and by Christmas we were OK.
Not at any time did either of us think that it was anything other than the “Flu”.
If ordinary people like us and yourself along with our fellow sceptics know this, why has our government, etc panicked?

My son lives with us. He went to Birmingham motor show last November. Thousands of people from all over the world were there. A couple of weeks later he felt unwell enough to visit the GP. Subsequently, I was under par with headaches (never normally get them) and cough that lasted a month or so. Staying clear of tests.

It was about the same time

Our next door neighbour thinks he had it in April – cough/loss of taste and smell etc.. He is in the vulnerable category so was isolating anyway. Well, sort of. Anyway, on day 8 he was off out shopping, so terrible was his brush with death. So to answer your question – no.

Yes my friend is now a widow. He was 59. I had it in April, just stayed out of hospital thanks to a Covid task force emergency visit, and am not yet recovered. I have no underlying conditions and was a national level racing cyclist.

No.

No

No. And I’ve been going round swabbing people since mid-May.

I heard of someone through a surgeon friend who died of heart complications related cancer but got Covid on the death certificate. Does that count?

Yeah but no but yeah but no as Boris Jo..sorry, Matt Lucas used to say. I would say no.

No. But know of two suicides and one attempted suicide of a 15-year-old. And perfectly healthy people with suicidal thoughts. The point is… covid is nasty, can cause long-term health problems and can be fatal to those with serious underlying health issues. Lockdowns kill randomly… completely healthy people, some at the start of their adult lives. And covid threat will lessen dramatically in severity as time goes on, as every coronavirus and rhinovirus does. Our children and children’s children will be paying for this bullshit (tests, masks, vaccines, plexiglass, mental health issues, etc.) for hundreds of years. You don’t kill a poisonous spider with a nuclear bomb.

A friend’s father died of it. He was 59 with no known underlying conditions, apparently. Although he caught it during lockdown, so that obviously didn’t save him.

My nephew currently has it, caught from his nurse wife who is now better. An asthmatic, although a fit 30 year old, he has an oxygen monitor which has recorded dangerously low levels on a few occasions but he is determined to stay out of hospital.

I am still convinced that I had it myself very early on. A week long fever, preceded by sickness and followed by fatigue and high breathing (I’m a singer so normally breathe very low) No ‘cold’ symptoms at all. As a slightly overweight 60 year old woman, I’m absolutely fine now, though I’d be fitter if the gym was open!

Yes. Father in law and his partner, latter in hospital on oxygen. Both still feeling effects, though on balance getting better over time. They became ill three weeks into LD1, for context.

Covid can be unpleasant. But the government response is in my view both ineffective and disproportionate. It is huge pain for no gain. The rona is a cold virus. It will get through, unless you actually wrap yourself in clingfilm – and even that will save you from the rona only by killing you. The huge pain and destruction caused by lockdown does not help those who have suffered from Covid, which is not to deny that their suffering from Covid is real and significant.

“Government” response was to deny people safe, effective, cheap Hydroxychloroquine treatments.

I had an old friend who was in his 80’s. He died in a nursing home ‘of Covid’ in the spring. So presumably he was part of the first wave.

Even IF 50,000 people died of C-19 in the UK, then that is just one in a thousand. How many people are in regular touch with 1000 others?

Over ten times as many die of something else.

No…but my 93 year old, holocausts survival gran had it..She was tested and everything. She was back on her feet 48 h later and in the shops 72 hours later. So deadly a diseases that an person who survived a concentration camp and is in the last years in her life is back to normal in 72h. She now says to me that this is all bullshit and the government are a bunch of liers

If your grandmother’s story is 100% fact and can be proven, it needs to be heard.

My daughter was not well in Feb, we were away on holiday. She felt hot and had some respiratory problems. Two days off work then back in. Of course that was before we knew about batflu. Other than that know of nobody who has had it.

Think I did in Feb. Persistent cough (rare for me to get a cough), flu like for 3 weeks. Like a nasty flu virus. I am in the vulnerable category, but with much rest and care I got over it.

I think I had it in April, Persistent dry hot cough in the upper chest, a slight temperature, things tasting crap, a bit achy, feeling a tiny bit peaky. It lasted for a few days and the cough stayed for about two weeks. The symptoms were very mild indeed. Almost not noticeable.That’s it.

Ok, late to this party….but, from a good authority at our local health centre, which covers a large part of South Leicestershire, as of a couple of weeks ago, there were no covid 19 patients on the books, and as of this week, the community nursing for the area had no more than 3 active covid19 patients. Can’t speak for the hospitals locally, though!

My cleaning lady’s Uncle died of it.A friend’s sister in law(whom I’ve met twice) was ill with it, but don’t know if she was in hospital.A blog buddy had a mild infection.

No. I don’t know anyone who’s had it

My father died of complications related to cancer treatment during the 1st lockdown, and was diagnosed as Covid positive after over a month in the hospital (ie he caught it there, despite all the insane measures in place including masks, gloves, disinfectant etc.). He spent 2 weeks isolated in the Covid ward but never showed any symptoms, despite being in a very weakened state from his illness. Given that he died shortly afterwards from kidney failure, I can’t imagine he really had Covid as he never experienced any respiratory troubles. So obviously an early ‘false positive’ from the fishy testing scheme.
I know a couple who really had Covid back in March and said it was like a bad flu, but they came out alright without needing to be hospitalized.
All other instances I’ve known of since are dubious ‘positive cases’ with zero symptoms, or at worst those of a classic cold.

No

I do. One of the early cases.
My then friend spent a week in a ski resort on the Italian/Austrian border in March.She was evacuated in the middle of the night along with the other guests when the authorities decided to close the resort.
She,and the rest of her family got sick. Two of them travelled on from Norwich back to Australia while sick. My friend ended up in the Norfolk and Norwich hospital very ill. Released having spent 7 days in hospital.
She is 69 and has no underlying health conditions.
Big article and photo of her looking glam appeared in the EDP shortly after.
She is one of a number of people attempting to bring a class action against the Austrian authorities. She was interviewed for the Times story on this.
As far as I know she is completely recovered.
Though sad to say our friendship has not survived our different stances – my concern for civil liberties offended her.

FACT: Covid will burn itself out sooner or later (government hope that it will be around Easter time).
FACT: Government will claim credit for beating virus by the measures taken, etc.
FACT: The sheep, collaborators and maskateers will believe and accept this.
FACT: WE KNOW THE TRUTH.

If they weren’t using PCR tests the virus would have burnt itself already.

So true, I love Ivor who calls it a casedemic

I know some will be angry enough they will not want to even consider looking at the “COVID-19 Winter Plan ” but it has been published. All information, good, bad and indifferent needs to be available for examination by the public. I just skimmed it myself and it seems quite sketchy in details, per usual. As many have said, tier is just another word for lockdown.

Lockdown of millions of innocent, healthy people

Re: the Plan Did you notice that Sweden is omitted from the graph showing European death rates? Fishy?

Page 9

ConstantBees I would like to thank you again for your marvellous phrase

” I am in an abusive relationship with the government.

I have used it twice IRL to great effect.

Double standards. One rule for us, and one rule for politicians and people in powerful positions

Freedom Passes for us – Emma Kenny: ‘You just walked into a dictatorship’

https://twitter.com/emmakennytv/status/1330950106292613120?s=20

Head of WHO decides against having a test post quarantine because he felt fine and didn’t see the need for testing

https://youtu.be/ExXsQA5JpWw

Don’t believe him. Who were the witnesses?

Have we had this already? Apologies if so. There are so many graphs etc and I lose track.

No apology necessary, R.

Yes, we have had this one, but it’s one of those graphs that can’t be posted enough .

A raver speaks:

“It’s a pity that residents in Primrose Hill claim that they can’t get to sleep. But there are some simple things they can do about this. The obvious solution is just to wear earplugs or earmuffs. If that doesn’t work then they could just sleep at a different time of the day because it probably doesn’t matter what time of day they sleep, due to the lockdown.”

That’s really funny. I thought for a moment I was looking at Viz Top Tips.

Indeed. Objects to having his lifestyle restricted, but doesn’t care about others.

I live in Primrose Hill and haven’t been kept awake by raves. However some days ago I was woken up by fireworks at 6.05am! You have always been able to buy your recreational drugs round here and it would seem that this trade has not been affected by the lockdowns. Otherwise life reasonably normal here, plenty of people around, people meeting. Shops that are open busy and very few masks in evidence now. The only other annoyance round here was the Police helicopter flying over Primrose Hill and Regents Park on Sunday morning for nearly an hour checking on crowds. What a spectacular waste of public money when the Police should be catching real criminals.

They could tell them; it’s only earplugs….
or it’s only a pair of earmuffs…

Hypothesis for the apparent contradiction for the AstraZeneca results.
A full dose is given to person A followed by a second full dose, person A develops nasty side effects. Trial halted.
Trial protocol changed to a single dose of vaccine followed by placebo. Minimal side effects reported. 60-70% effective
Person B is given 1/2 dose followed by second full dose. Minimal side effects reported. 90% effective.

They say that this was a serendipitous drug error. If I made a drug error of 50% under dose I don’t think that it would be long before the NMC had a fitness to practice hearing.

Please watch and share.

https://thewhiterose.uk/2020/11/09/the-vaccine-a-great-danger-and-this-is-why/

It doesn’t even matter if it is, or is not, a great danger. It is part of the PLAN and must be rejected.

“Universities remain open”. Lest we forget, this is a BIG FAT LIE. As I am sure most of us know, and some here are sadly enduring directly, universities are not open in any meaningful sense of the word. Teaching is mainly online, access to campuses is severely restricted as it university sports and social life. People in university accommodation are often subject to various forms of harrassment of doubtful legality. Shout it from the rooftops. The government has been given a free pass on this by the media.

Exactly and universities have been complicit in all this. I won’t be surprised if they will be inundated with law suits and court cases after this that will cause them to go bust from the multiple pay outs that they will have to make.

They deserve to go bust and yes from what I have heard they have made little or no effort to offer students a decent experience.

Absent commercial pressure such as some unis breaking ranks, or competition from much cheaper online-only providers, they will continue to treat students on campus as an inconvenience they can do without

They never did. I was an international student at Manchester University and always felt that I was there as a cash cow. Sure they made an effort to show us around and offer us experiences that I would have otherwise overlooked (such as visiting the Manchester United Museum for free) but otherwise they ignored issues such as homesickness and culture shock. The latter especially.

Well said. Apart from what you’ve said, students should also vote with their feet and wallets – boycott and allow the universities to go bust. They deserve everything they will get not only for treating students as an inconvience but also for their attempts to subvert the democratic process, their contempt for ordinary people and for prostituting themselves to unsavoury regimes and big business.

(such as visiting the Manchester United Museum for free)

Of all the atrocities, dirty tactics, and nasty things done to people over the past 9 months, this is truly disgusting.

It was a good museum to be fair and I’m someone who’s not into football. I would never have visited it on my own especially being a poor student.

Indeed. I really despise what my university has done, especially the collaboration at every turn, very glad I’m in my last year.

Agree. I’m glad I’m no longer at university.

Same here. I made one mildly anti-lockdown comment on my university alumni facebook page, and got pounced on by some Coronanists (one of whom was a former NUS president, no surprise there, then).

They will be no loss.

The Student’s Union has a role here. They can coordinate mass legal action about reimbursement of fees.

Universities remain disingenuous, thieving, dystopian, tech controlled, inhumane prisons

When I was a chemistry student (long ago, Imperial) mornings were lectures or tutorials , most afternons practical work in the labs.
How do you practice a gravimetric analysis of a nickel iron alloy or a Claisen condensation over Zoom?

Me too! Well Biochemistry. Every afternoon in the lab apart from Wednesdays which was free for sport. How on earth you prepare samples, handle reagents,, study cultures, dissect etc online is beyond me.
Also, how on earth do medical students learn anatomy these days? Some of the older unis still do real dissection which I think is very important. How are this year’s cohort going to learn that?

Not just the sciences. Lots of things you can’t do in the arts and humanities on Zoom – group dancing, choral singing, playing in an orchestra, acting, researching primary historical sources, portrait painting, life drawing…

How people can think that we’re out of lockdown after 2 December baffles me. The government can dress it up how much it likes but its still a lockdown. After all, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc….

The pubs being singled out shouldn’t surprise me. I lived in Scotland for 10 years and saw the various Wile E Coyote type attempts that Holyrood has done to restrict alcohol sales and they’re doing the same here. This is an attempt to destroy whatever social cohesion that pubs offer under the guise of a virus.

As for Qantas demanding their passengers have a vaccine, they must have a death wish surely. First, people will simply vote with their wallet and feets and simply choose an airline that doesn’t have this asinine requirement. Second, what about the possibility of being sued by a passenger who ends up with adverse side effects from the vaccine?

I fully expect most/all airlines and countries to insist on a vaccine. Why wouldn’t they?

Yep. They will be encouraged to do so by government and the courts who will suddenly develop an interest in people falling ill on planes.

The lawyers will have a field day. Imagine the adverts:

“Have you experienced adverse side effects after a vaccine?”

If that’s the case then the entire aviation industry has a death wish and will be complicit in their own demise.

Mass Aviation is finished anyway.It doesn’t fit in with the zero carbon agenda.Quaratines were instituted to bring this about.

That’s what certain vested interests want – air travel only for the privileged while the rest of us make do with Bognor Regis.

Barry Sheerman MP
Labour and Co-operative MP for Huddersfield

@BarrySheerman

All common sense dictates that we maintain tough lockdown measures until these amazing vaccines are available @BBCNews
https://twitter.com/BarrySheerman/status/1330996698064314369

WilMTay #KBF

“We really do need some form of minimum IQ test before you can become an MP”

Neighbouring MP to my own. He is a figure of ridicule saved each election only by the votes of “I’ve always voted Labour because my father did and his father before him” types.

Having a low IQ may be the only qualification for being an MP. There aren’t any others.

Aaah to become an MP the only apparent qualification is that you want to be in politics. Can you imagine the carnage if you applied the same qualifications to becoming a pilot or brain surgeon? Handjob is giving advice to medical experts and berating Barrington declaration experts with absolutely zero qualifications.

I could probably fly a plane in a fairly convincing manner, probably even in the dark, brain surgery doesn’t look THAT hard either. With a few hours on youtube and a bit of googling I am sure I could pick it up the basics.

I wonder what the Sun and other MSM would be saying if Jeremy Corbyn was presiding over this absolute fuck up?

I don’t think IQ tests help I suspect Keir Starmer has a high IQ but I suspect he won’t be able to run a lemonade stand even if his life depended on it.

He can barely get a sentence out.

Send that quote to Mr. Sheerman and every other MP.

It’s funny how The Science could have found that vaccination was required once a week, or it could have found that it just needed to be once every 20 years. But instead, it has found it to be exactly the time period that any totalitarian regime would choose: once or twice a year. Long enough to be practical, but short enough to allow its use ‘tactically’ by the government. Handy, that.

Three cheers and millions of upticks for Tradewinds Travel.

Re Quantas;

” Tradewinds Travel
@UKTwinds
·
14h

We have made a company decision today to not sell any @Qantas
flights, even on a code share, following their announcement of no vaccination, no flight. There are far superior airlines with flights to #A ustralia”

”… but quite honestly we are not ruling any destination out at the moment as long as it doesn’t involve masks, quarantine and invasive tests.”

“There are far superior airlines with flights to #Australia”

Nice one! Go Tradewinds Travel!

Thanks for this. I am making it a personal policy to send an email of encouragement to any businesses willing to make a stand on things like this. One look at their twitter feed shows the Coronas’ Witnesses are out in force over this. I’ve had some very nice personal replies also.

Bodgers knows his lockdowns must extend into January and beyond until we can emerge, blinking, into the blasted heath of Brexit’s sunlit uplands.

I think BoZo and co are greatly over estimating how much the population cares about saving Christmas. Most people are going to do what they want anyway and just want life to get back to normal more than anything. I find the threat of Santa not coming only works up until about age 5.

It’s also making a bit of a mockery of all the people for whom Christmas is just another day anyway. At least 40% of UK is non-Christian. Around 1 million Brits will be going to work on 25 Dec just like any other day. The stats on the number of older people already spending Christmas alone are just heartbreaking Apparently 1.5m adults surveyed said it was the loneliest time of year. And that was before they became state property to be avoided like toxic waste! That’s the real tragedy.

https://newtube.app/user/AlternativeMedia/nyJinvu

Good new interview with progress

German Lawyer
Reiner Fuellmich
Sues The World
Over Coronavirus
/ biggest lawsuit
in human history – 54:31

Soon the virus will be a memory and the controls it brought will be the topic, we’ll wonder how it started, was it about a low mortality virus?

Reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWSN5kaQ1oM

(Mitchell and Webb)

Everyone knows there has been ‘The Event’ but no one can remember what it was.

Excellent, hadnt seen that.

How prophetic

This thing about vaccines needing double doses…. I know nothing about this, but in my ignorance, if I were a vaccine company about to offload a barely tested product onto the public, I might develop a strategy whereby I administer an active vaccine to half the population and a placebo to the other, and see what happens. It would be the best controlled experiment ever – on the whole population. With the second dose, I can choose to complete the vaccination of the whole population, or I can abandon the experiment without losing face.

And I might start with a lower dose, too – just in case.

I hear the sounds of cash registers ringing twice

I’m backing Britain and if I have to have a vaccine it will be the Oxford one. My reasoning is that as it’s British, it’s likely to be rubbish and won’t have as many side effects because it’s so cheap there’s nothing in it.

Is there a fairy dust option

I believe one is being developed in Cardiff as we speak…

Or the first one could be entirely placebo. Then come up with some bogus reason to stop things before the second one. Millions would still report themselves cured.

Christmas shopping will be given the greenlight this year

Restrictions on household mixing will stay largely the same

So enjoying the usual press of bodies in high street shops during the annual celebration of materialist consumerism is A OK, but don’t have any friends around!

This virus has some bizarre transmission vectors! How does anyone take Team Fuckwit seriously? Hahahahahaha!

We can spend money but we’re not allowed to spend time with loved ones

It’s beginning to look a lot like gaslighting, everywhere I (don’t) go.

There are some sheep who still ‘follow the rules’,

Plenty.

They are the ones who will be complaining in the Local Live online about how ‘scary’ it was to have to go shopping with all the selfish other people crowding the shops.

As we keep saying, the virus is intelligent – it can tell if you’re going into a shop or meeting family and friends.

This is perverse. We can shop (under the guise of saving the retail sector who have been cowardly and supine throughout this shit show) but can’t see family and friends. The government couldn’t give a stuff about mental health and social cohesion don’t they?

The government couldn’t give a stuff about mental health and social cohesion don’t they?

No. (Better late than never, Bart.).

I think the bastard Government is taking a bit of a risk with the “keeping pub open until11:00” thing. This is just totally irresponsible of them, imagine, that extra hour is going to add up to hundreds of thousands of extra dead people.
No doubt.

When Boris Johnson was asked for the science that he claimed the government had for the ten o’clock rule, he said: the longer people socialise, the more alcohol they drink, the less they practise social distancing. As far as I know, he hasn’t presented any new science that disproves his previous science.

Yesterday, Boris Johnson told the House of Commons that the mass testing in Liverpool had caused a dramatic reduction in “infections”. This was obviously the government line, rather than just some off the cuff assertion, as can be seen by the fact that other government ministers are making the same assertion.

It now looks like the government thinks that its propaganda narrative is so firmly entrenched that it is no longer even necessary for its assertions to have even a mere veneer of plausibility. The paraphernalia of the coronavirus have mutated into magical talismans. Tests magically remove the virus from infected individuals.

From this perspective, whatever happens proves the government’s coronavirus narrative. If the numbers (deaths, hospitalisations, cases, the R number, whatever) go down, it proves that the lockdowns, social distancing, face masks and the rest are working; if the numbers go up, it proves the need for more draconian measures/enforcement. Assertion and confirmation bias are “the science” of the coronavirus responses.

In this context, no dissent can be tolerated. All dissent is not just self evidently wrong; the dissenters are construed as not just ignorant and misinformed, but as immoral and dangerous. From the point of view of the lockdownistas, those who disagree are an existential threat. This leaves no room for evidenced and reasoned argument. One does not politely argue with the enemy to discover the truth; one defeats the enemy, by whatever means are necessary. This is why pointing out the lack of scientific evidence for social distancing or face mask wearing is so ineffective: it is not about science. The science is now nothing more than a rhetorical device. This is why pointing to the harm caused by lockdowns is so ineffective: it is not about saving lives. It is about defeating the virus.

The lockdownistas are believers, and, like believers of any belief system, they will use all the cognitive biases to which we are so prone to defend their belief that defeating the virus is more important than anything else and therefore any sacrifice is worth it. This was blatantly illustrated yesterday when Boris Johnson’s link to the House failed and Matt Hancock rose to his feet. He, with apparent sincerity, assured the House that he/the government had assessed all the risks and the only way to protect the people was by focusing on the virus.

What’s the solution? This nightmare is intolerable

The solution is to take a step to the side and to become an observer from outside. I find the blind compliance of the masses hugely entertaining, such ‘jolly japes’ as they bend over backwards to meet ever more bizarre regulations.

Very well said. You’ve got to chuckle at being called a granny killer by someone who disinfects their just eat

I am waiting for the time when, or if, the true believers realise that their lives are over. The danger, of course, is that they blame the nonbelievers for what has happened. This is why I’m not so sure about this idea that it is everyone’s duty to defy the authorities at every opportunity. Not wearing a mask, and being fined, for example, does nothing but provide the authorities with a ready-made scapegoat to point to.

If no one defied the authorities at all, there would be no one to blame but the authorities. As far as I can see, that would be the only circumstance in which the public might realise what was going on.

If no one defied the authorities at all, there would be no one to blame but the authorities.

This is an interesting re-working of Gandhi’s civil disobedience strategy to defeat the British Raj: civil obedience. I wonder why no political strategist ever thought of it before?

Refusal to comply with the bollocks empowers and encourages others.

Jamie, there are times, like today, where I feel pretty desperate and at the end of my tether. This is what it feels like to abused and gaslighted.
A “No contact” regime with abusers is the classic remedy. Unfortunately, it’s not just a matter of NC, since the abusers are destroying our worlds, and we can’t escape their despicable abuse.

Your first paragraph matches exactly what dreary matt said on the Today Programme yesterday.
‘We will extend mass testing to other tier 3 areas to get cases down there too’.

Grant Shapps was pushing this line this morning on the television news. Apparently, his interviewers found it perfectly sensible.

Convicted Internet Fraudster Grant Shapps is a c….
****snip****

Dissidents ‘immoral and dangerous’…. fits the treatment of deniers of the other authoritarian arm of Boris’s vision – the Green Road to the Stone Age – like a scrotum around a testicle.

Well, the MPs should have asked Wancock to produce that assessment shouldn’t they. Obviously, they haven’t got it because he didn’t have anything about his that would suggest there was a report or assessment of any kind.

There was an assessment dated 8 April 2020 (although it only appeared at the May). It assessed that the lockdown measures might kill two hundred thousand people; although the numbers are spread out and you have to do the arithmetic yourself.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/initial-estimates-of-excess-deaths-from-covid-19-8-april-2020

… mass testing in Liverpool had caused a dramatic reduction in “infections”
How does testing reduce infection rates? Hmm?

A win. First day since adverts installed I am not being sold a mask with triple layer protection and/or washabl fabric. It’s the small things that count.

“Squeeze the disease”

Fuck off Boris.

Told to say it by his latest squeeze

I’d like to squeeze his head until it pops.

I was just about to have my breakfast, think I’ll just have a coffee

I remember one of my uncles eating sheep’s ( not collaborator sheep) brains on toast.
Lived well into his 80’s.
PS: not that I would recommend it, you understand.

Sheeps brains, big in Morocco, so are the eyeballs.

. But they were made of sterner stuff.

What would come out? Eaton Mess?

BRILLIANT!!!

Boris is the disease.

A young black woman alleges she was restrained and punched by the police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55019778

As a result there is a ‘Newsnight’ investigation

The IOPC start an investigation. Two officers are removed from frontline duties

A stern warning that during the investigation police officers will be held accountable for their actions

White lockdown protestor in Liverpool punched and sprayed with CS whilst restrained on the floor

At an anti lockdown ‘rave’ in Bristol the police set an attack dog on a young white female causing her life changing injuries

In Liverpool and Bristol senior police officers are rabid in their condemnation of their victims

No IOPC or Newsnight investigations for them

The Chief Constable of Avon an Somerset seems to have gone full hysterical and appears to have lost control of himself

Be careful and avoid this policing apartheid if you can

Down with the SS sorry British police force, and this shit government

The police should realise that they’ve lost the trust and respect of the public.

I suggest that they go and read about Nuremberg – when the day of reckoning comes they won’t have an excuse.

The Private police force?

Older/experienced GP just interviewed by Kay Burley on Sky News – he is a regular, interviewed from his clinic. He doesn’t understand the half dose ‘fortunate discovery’, but is sure someone cleverer than him will be able to work it out. Umh, if a senior GP is expressing this type of view, perhaps the eminent scientists at Oxford Vaccine Group/AstraZeneca might want to spend more time investigating their ‘fortunate’ protocols, and less time parading their virtue on TV and in newspapers.

Memo to the spineless morons masquerading as Conservative MP’s remove Johnson and Hancock now with them all the meaningless rules they are making up as they go along or be thrown out at the next election

How many letters do you think Graham Brady (1922 Committee) has received?

I’d love to know. Allegedly he doesn’t even tell his wife how many are in the drawer until it hits tipping point. I think that’s 15% of the parliamentary party, so 55, but I’m not sure.

You are correct. And the Covid Recovery Group has at least seventy members.

When is the next election? Three years from now?

Another expert in the field comes out in favour of muzzles https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/23/pope-says-anti-maskers-stuck-in-their-own-little-world-of-interests

Interesting that religions, the biggest control methods of all time, should agree to more controls

Stick to your imaginary sky fairy Mr Pope. Why would the Pope care about evidence? His whole like is dedicated to self delusion. Evidence counts not one jot!

…and in another news:

Pope Francis hosts delegation of NBA players and their union leaders at the  Vatican for MASKLESS meeting about social justice
https://www.rt.com/news/507614-pope-nba-social-justice/

Jesus wept.

This doesn’t surprise me however. The Catholic Church are big on dogmas that are not to be questioned so here’s another one.

He can fuck off. My family are Catholics and they all hate the pope. My father will never forgive him ( and the previous ones) for covering and denying the pedophilia in the catholic church. My mum thinks he is fucking disgrace ..He has lost all credibility within the institution and people are pretty much catholic because they have been so for a 1000 years in some cases.

Ironic given that his favourite devotion is Our Lady Undoer of Knots (at least according to the local St Jude’s shrine). https://www.theholyrosary.org/maryundoerknots

We’re canaries in the coal mine.
Others just continue on, getting tested, shutting their houses to visitors and pretending this will all go away if we all just wear our masks and get injected.
I wonder how many of us will last to see the architecture of tyranny fully erected.

We will all last to see it demolished!

Famous last words, I fear!

If one accepts the analogy that we are war, Ian, what would that make your comment ?

I don’t know but surely it is coming. We are more than 50% of the way there with the false panic, the enabling legislation, deprivation of basic human rights, visual markers for compliance, coercive medication, Ofcom issuing reporting guidelines, the Electoral Commission seeking to stymie populist parties, social media censorship and MSM adherence to PC ideology.

I think we will end up with a kind of British DDR with fake parties in a fake democracy, fake human rights, fake prosperity, spies everywhere, and power permanently in the hands of, probably, the Labour Party. I used to think this was a possibility. It now seems to be almost a certainty.

Power in the hands of the Labour Party? Hell no. It will be this bunch of tossers that form the current Government.

Good grief Toby, you really are a cuck. Trump did nothing of the sort. Good job with this site and the free speech union but on Trump you’re the cuckiest cuck that ever was cucked

Any sign of Trump winning any of his legal actions…?

Nothing means much until they get to the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court has thrown it out.

Hasn’t got anywhere near there yet.

Yep, a couple of court reviews have been approved.

I’m looking forward to President Harris, that should be fun, or God help us President Pelosi. Trump following Clinton’s advice not to concede “under any circumstances” and Biden lying (surprise!) that he wouldn’t claim victory until it was officially certified.

Spectator groupthink lead by Andrew Neil.

I may have missed the information, or more likely I am just rather thick, but I dont quite understand how the vaccine testing was carried out . We are told that vaccine X was 60% or 90% or 95 % effective , but what testing does this correspond to ?
Volunteers are split into 2 groups . Group A has the experimental vaccine, Group B has the control. Then what ? Are both groups then injected with SARS-Cov2 and the reactions observed? Or do they wait to see if random infection occurs? If Sars -Cov2 is so “deadly” as the media and politicians keep saying then the effects on GroupB could be lethal.

You are not thick. Nobdoy has any interest in making the information clear to us. It’s the wait for random infection option. There was some chatter about human challenge trials being planned in the UK (deliberately exposing particpants) but I don’t know what happened to that.

Last I read, two start in January – Oxford/AZ and the Imperial one

Thanks, TT!

That’s interesting. Presumably human challenge can’t take place until the vaccine has passed earlier stages quite convincingly. And yet apparently we’re preparing to start vaccinating NHS workers next week?
I’m happy for all those who are keen to be vaccinated to jump the queue. A Sun survey (representative of Sun readers only) has allegedly found that’s 70% want it right now. After you then, and leave my family members alone.

What readership numbers has the Sun got?

Human challenge needs a better understanding of the risk of disease and, ideally a rescue treatment. Influenza has both, but challenge is still with strains that really only give upper respiratory tract infection. Malaria is challenged using vivax not falciparum (which is the killer cerebral form).

It’s not ethical to challenge a volunteer and give them potentially life-threatening pneumonia. The potentially is important here. Not understanding the risk factors means that challenge studies with sars-cov2 will be viewed with caution. I would not volunteer for one, having had it and serious illness despite being completely healthy, fit and no risk factors or comorbidities.

I’m fairly sure they are not being deliberately injected with the virus, but I’m sure you had your tongue in cheek there.
I understand trial numbers are so low because it’s pretty difficult to catch a real infection out there now. Should tell us much of what we need to know but “we” are not listening.

Which is why many of those who took part in the trials were in Brazil.

As I pointed out the other day in one of the trials only 0.6% of the control group tested positive after trial so pretty much negates the need for a vaccine at all in my opinion.

Agreed. The effectiveness of masks in the Danish study seems about the same as the effectiveness of the vaccines, i.e. ‘not enough data to know either way’.

BBC R4 this morning The Expert said it is not known what happened to those who took the trial vaccine but went on to contract covid.

These are questions that any decent journo would be asking, so obviously no one at the BBC, ITV, Sky or LBC has asked them . I do know one vaccine has been tested not against a true placebo but against a meningitis vaccine!

I’ve no idea how they get to the 90% type figure. I’ve got the impression that people have simply been “released into the wild”. So it might be that with regular testing (how?) 10% were found to have symptoms ( but then what about asymptomatic infection?) But it might mean that 90% produced antibodies.

But in v old people do antibodies translate into effective immunity? Their immune systems simple aren’t working that well. V old people probably have good cross immunity in theory against Covid, as good as the rest of the population but in practice because of ageing and likely co-morbidities they simply cannot mount an effective defence. ,

You treat the same number on vaccine and placebo, then when you have accrued enough events (symptomatic infections) you unblind and look at the split. If you have 100 COVID19 infections and they split 50/50 then there is no effect of the vaccine. If they split 0/100 then there is 100% protection. The mRNA vaccines split about 5/95 to 9/90 and such a split is very unlikely by chance (not impossible but very unlikely – flip some coins…).

The Oxford vaccine split is about 30/70. Not so good. It also failed to perform as well in tests in animals. That is protects from serious disease is absolutely expected. Trials of pure antibodies have shown that if you treat early then you prevent about 2/3 of hospital admissions compared to a placebo. So the vaccine at the least prevents serious infections.Whether it stops transmission was not tested in any of the trials.

Court backlogs
BBC R4 The Long View
‘Magistrates Courts had a backlog of 500,000 cases in August. Now reduced to 490,00’
Do the math.

More serious cases (Crown and County Court ?) 49,000.

It’s because they are only hearing long covid cases

Missing ‘0’.

True but you got the point

And celebrity court cases of course….because we must know whether one WAG or another is right. Shame they can’t apply the same urgency to things that really matter!

If only we could persuade Varney or Rooney to speak out about lockdown. The less curious members of the public might wake up.

The adverts are offering me ‘Liberty Print Tana Lawn Knickers’

Who’s Tana? and are they suitable to be worn on Astroturf?

Our entire movement summed up in ten minutes. This video is incredible! I want to know how to download it to keep forever. Anyone??
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

https://y2mate.guru/en8/

If you are using a PC search for YouTube downloader freeware, or search your YouTube account for download, might cost little bit.

Hey look, it’s old Epicurus at the beginning. And since we are under massive psychological attack, there is no better way to innoculate ourselves that with a little ancient wisdom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bguEiUgDA4

Epictetus although the bust does seem to be Epicurus.

Tubeoffline – can be slightly hit and miss, but works on a large number of sites.

What I find funny is that there’s little mention that we may have a had a strain of the flu, even if SARS-CoV-2 was doing the rounds. So a lot of people who came down with a bad fever may have had a flu instead.

Thee does not seem to be a lot of testing and characterisation of that.

In previous years we have strains of the flu, most notably 2018 with the Aussie Flu. I had that. Horrible stuff but the flu none the less.

Interesting to see what the WHO shows has happened to influenza viruses this year

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTIxMzAwMzYtZWE4NC00YTU2LWE3MTUtMTI0OGY1ZjQyMWViIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTIxMzAwMzYtZWE4NC00YTU2LWE3MTUtMTI0OGY1ZjQyMWViIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

Just reading the Merthyr story https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55035382 mentioned in the ’round-up’ above. It says they found 9 positives in 977 tests, 0.9%. But that the local prevalence was “250.3 cases per 100,000 of population”, which is 0.25%.
This story illustrates various possible things:

1. My maths is wrong?
2. The journalist’s maths is worse than mine & doesn’t appreciate that the mass testing has just identified that the rate of infection is 4 x greater than was thought?
3. That they’re comparing apples & oranges & that the 250 per 100,000 is infections over a period, or it should be per 10,000?

Do we have any Welshmen/women on the site who are familiar with what’s going on there who can shed some light?

I can, it’s a fuck up and has been since March. Does that help?

Now that would be a BBC headline I’d love to see!!!

A local cluster within the greater region. Random chance would dictate there will be pockets with high positive results. No doubt there are areas with zero positives in a local area.

If this was a standard binomial with N=977 and p=0.0025 then you would expect a mean number of positives of about 2.5 and a standard deviation of about 1.6, so 9 positive is four standard deviations above the mean, which would happen about 1 time in a thousand. So rather unlikely.

However, there are two factors to take into account. One is that people are more likely to take the test if they have some reason to believe they have, or have been exposed to, the disease: for example if they have mild symptoms. The other is the false positive and false negative rates. For the Liverpool tests, that would be 0.4% FPR and 25% FNR. On that basis, one would expect now about 6 positive test results, 2 true and 4 false: and the result is about 1.5 standard deviations above the mean: not at all unlikely.

Alternatively, you might regard it as Poisson with parameter 2.5, in which case the probability of scoring 9 is around 0.8 in a thousand. For Poisson with parameter 6, the probability of scoring 9 is around 1 in 15.

Do you have a reference for the false positive and negative rates for the Liverpool tests?

Articles in the BMJ “Covid-19: Mass population testing is rolled out in Liverpool” and “Mass testing for covid-19 in the UK” see also https://theconversation.com/lessons-from-around-the-world-on-fighting-covids-second-wave-150432

So I have read the BMJ article and it does not say that the false positive rate is 0.4% and the false negative rate is 25%.

Quite correct. I gave three references, which put the FPR at 0.4%, 0.6% and 0.7% respectively. I chose one, the lowest as it happens, to indicate what effect it would have on the conclusions.

There you go, why didn’t the reporter write that. Good to see that our very own troll has an A level in statistics.

Well, I rather assumed that someone who asked a question about statistics was expecting an answer involving statistics.

A question, if you use a vaccine on people who have had C19 (antibody/T Cell) what happens? Does it enhance the vaccine, have no effect? Make it look as if the vaccine is 90% effective?

The problem is, nobody knows, least of all it would seem, those running the trials!

Another question -if you thought “in for a penny, in for a pound” and had Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford/Astra what would happen?

Given that obesity is linked to significantly higher mortality from/with C19, have the vaccines been tested on that particular demographic?
(I think this is rhetorical question.)

So what’s the point in booking or organising anything in the near future if at the drop of a hat those plans get cancelled, because somebodies granny in the outer Hebrides gets a bit of a sniffle.

why book a holiday abroad if you get turned back at the airport?

My major problem is we have another 4 years before we can say fuck you to any political party.

They cancelled elections. Given all the harm they have inflicted, what makes you think they will reinstate them?

SNP not having a good week. Cancelling Hogmany then this

The SNP’s Westminster leader Ian Blackford has been accused of “trying to stir up hatred” after publicly challenging a photographer who moved from England to Scotland over a supposed lockdown breach.

Regarding the pots & pans banging idea, whilst this may seem a good idea, I really don’t see how that would actually achieve anything????

I am also not trying to upset anyone on here by saying the above.

What there really needs to be is civil unrest now.

I agree, people will just think it’s being done for the nhs.

Plus I hated all that shit for the NHS – not least because it terrified the pets and wildlife around here. If we going to scare anyone, it should be politicians. This should go to the streets, not the front door

I think the idea of honking car horns outside tv studios is a better one. Or wherever the BBC are broadcasting live. Or taxis barricading Westminster. Getting MSM to take notice matters.

With their trade down 95% hundreds of London cabbies have had their taxis repossessed by finance companies who are now after their houses since they were ‘nudged’ by TfL into investing in £65k all electric vehicles.

OMG that is unbelievable and shocking. They should get in those taxis before repossession and block up the London streets sounding their horns. They would get a lot of support.

Mark Windows has spoken about these kinds of tactics many times on his podcasts. Picking them off, one by one.

Sounding horns outside all town halls and municipal offices? On a fixed day of the week.
It probably wont disrupt individuals or services much, as the staff will be all working from home. But it might provide a common locus for all communities’ protests throughout the land and highlight that councils have been complicit in this whole business.

I tend to think it will be misinterpreted as pro-NHS pot-banging, which like so many things stood meaning on its head.
Charivari also known as rough music was an expression of disapproval for people who didn’t conform to the accepted mores of the community.
I suspect that sense of disapproval has now been lost.
(Interestingly – at least to me – it was used in a very disciplined way and to powerful effect in Barcelona a couple of years ago during the Catalan independence struggles.)

Civil disobedience is needed. Low-level civil unrest perhaps – violent disruption will only breed violent responses which will be portrayed as justified response to the extremists.

Maybe protest outside leading buildings such as City Hall or what about the studios where they broadcast BBC Breakfast and GMB – after all they have been one of the instigators of this whole shit show.

Have banners with Vernon Coleman’s mantra:

DISTRUST THE GOVERNMENT

AVOID MASS MEDIA

FIGHT THE LIES

Nus Ghani is a woman.

Feeling very down again about it all today. When will this madness end? There just seems to be no end in sight, will the lie ever be toppled and the truth come out? Seeing Johnson holed up at home addressing Parliament reminds me of dictators addressing the people from their safe havens away from the public eye. This is an absolute scandal but no one seems to be taking notice of the growing number of opponents, mask zealotry is here to stay it seems and the vaccine is just going to polarise society even further. It’s a nightmare. What are church and faith leaders doing? Very little it seems. It’s shameful.

We are all here, we all feel the same, we support you and understand how you feel. You are never alone.

Thanks for the support. I’m self-employed and I’m very thankful that my work has still been coming in, not sure how I’d have coped otherwise.

Churches are beginning to meet illegally, underground, address at last might via whatsapp like a rave. They say (on condition of anonymity) that they feel like they are living in communist China.

In my view China is looking like a brilliant democracy right now!

Seeing Johnson holed up at home addressing Parliament reminds me of dictators addressing the people from their safe havens away from the public eye.

You know, that’s exactly what I was thinking, except most dictators do that to avoid bullets.

Maybe he was avoiding verbal bullets yesterday when his link to the House went down.

Be certain of it. Same thing as hiding in a fridge and refusing to attend GE interviews.

Don’t trust in the coward churches. Trust in God.
Every day I open my psalter at random and read what us before me. Today it opened at Psalm 37:

Fret not thyself because of the ungodly; neither be thou envious against the evil doers.
For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and be withered even as the green herb.

As I keep stating I will not be having this unnecessary vaccine. I’m happy for my immune system to keep me safe, it has done so all my life. And no I’m not an anti vaxxer I’ve had all the usual vaccines as a child. Knowing the evil lies we have been subjected to I am furiously angry with this government and the health service for perpetuating the deceit to the extent that they are doing.

Getting covid seems to increase one’s average life span. Can’t quite work that out but it’s a reassuring stat.

Haha I just wrote exactly the same thing on another comment

What does not kill me makes me stronger.

I never trusted the bastard Government but I did have some trust in the NHS. No now, not ever again. These institutions are a clear and present danger to me and my loved ones.
The Government has taken on the mantle of absolute EVIL. Now waging war on US instead of other people in far off lands.
Bastards. The NHS and the staff that are not speaking out and fighting back. Evil.
Fuck all these people who believe in this COVID bollocks. They are EVIL.

• Flagged above is an article written for the Spectator : “ Was Covid beginning to peak before the second lockdown? ” – by Matt Ridley

I’m able to access it as I’m a subscriber (albeit I bain’t be a Tory). Mr Ridley writes:-

“The cynic in me wondered whether the haste with which the government had rushed to bring in the national lockdown, at the urging of its questionably sage advisors, was so that lockdown could be credited with the fall that was coming.”

Aye, the same idea has crossed my mind. The doomsayers couldn’t let it be shown as Nostradamuses they weren’t worth paying in washers.

In England cases peaked on the 9th Nov way before lockdown could have any effect and 10 days before sage indicated we should see any effect.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=England

but presumed daily new infections peaked on 31st Oct and the number of infections in society peaked on 4th Nov

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

this data is probably better as subject to less sampling bias

TY’s analysis that the politicans calculate that the political damage from collateral deaths is less than the political damage from ‘covid’ deaths or the (remote) possibility of NHS being unable to cope is spot on I think (unlike his USA analysis!). Astonishing wickedness even for the political class (Bannon’s ‘Party of Davos’).

Just heard on the local radio, Huddersfield area, Barry Shearman the local labour MP calling for full lockdown until a vaccine is rolled out to everyone.
Matt Hancock replied that local tiered lockdowns are being reintroduced as he is following the evidence.
If I heard that right it’s the first time I’ve heard him say follow the evidence and not follow the science.
What I do know of politicians is that little shifts in language like this can mean bigger things going on in the background.
Is there starting to be a shift in governments covid policy now Cummings has gone?

Yes- see https://twitter.com/BarrySheerman/status/1330917147833413634

Comments are not supportive

Thanks arfumo.

Good to see all the comments disagreeing with him

Comments ‘Is this a parody account’ ‘genuinely laughable’

Not one supportive

The silly old fart should not be allowed out

As the football fans sing ‘We are coming for you’

Co-op mindset

I heard rumours of a shift a week or two ago, but this new tougher-than-before Tiers until March system has put paid to all of that I think.

And I don’t think Hancock has a clue what’s coming out of his mouth half the time. He certainly doesn’t use language that carefully.

Not sure why you were downticked; your questions were valid.

Matt Hancock replied that local tiered lockdowns are being reintroduced as he is following the evidence.

Handjob just reads whatever is written on the paper in front of him; he “opens his mouth and lets his belly rattle” as my old Granny used to say.

Is there starting to be a shift in governments covid policy now Cummings has gone?

No, as A. Contrarian says, “Tiers until March system has put paid to all of that I think.”

He’s right.

What planet is Shearman on for God’s sake. I say sack him, put him on Universal Credit so he cannot pay his mortgage and he will lose everything just like millions of others. What a complete and utter deranged idiot.

He’s over 80. Well done you Huddersfieldians.

Everyday the headlines from the 24/7 media are telling me that primary care is getting ready for the mass vaccination big push ; according to the BBC GPs are going to be super busy . I am not sure why this is so , I think I could count the number of flu jabs I have personally given this year on the fingers of one hand . These vaccinations when they arrive will be administered as usual by HCAs on £ 10 an hour.

We know who is vulnerable to Covid; all those who are expected to die within the next 12 months. Of course according to Johnson the vaccine will be voluntary , but what about those who lack capacity?. Relatives of patients in EMI dementia homes who see their loved ones unable to feed themselves, doubly incontinent often ask do they really need to have the flu jab. it will be the same for the Covid jab. The home owner will say no jab no place in the home. It is a tragedy that we are so obsessed by prolonging life at whatever cost that we have lost all sense of reality.

True

This is one of my biggest questions about all the hype about a vaccine. If most of the people covid kills are at death’s door anyway will it really make much difference to them and rest of population don’t need it as immune system will do it’s job so why?

The risk of dying with the coronavirus mirrors exactly the risk of dying even if the virus did not exist.

In fact I believe average life expectancy is approximately 12 months longer if you die of coronavirus. Not quite sure how that works but it’s a fact.

It seems to be the effect of a “benign” winter last year, which saw fewer deaths due to flu and respiratory diseases.
So “nature” caught up in the spring.

So “nature” caught up in the spring.

Yes, I’ve made this point a couple of times on here. I believe that the Covid just took the ‘dry tinder’, as Ivor Cummins called it, in the Spring, and is taking the rest now.

Life expectancy is 81
Average age of death with coronavirus is 82.4
So even taking the obviously inflated coronavirus death figures at face value, the virus is having zero effect on mortality. What has changed is what is written of the death certificates – and the government changed the rules on their completion to increase the number of coronavirus deaths.

It’s because life expectancy is an average of all deaths so is brought lower by infant mortality, etc. The reason Covid is a higher is because it barely affects young people (that is a good thing). The high average of death is a clear indicator of it’s comparatively benign nature. A better comparison would be average age of death from flu. I don’t have the number but it is certain to be lower because flu kills proportionally more young people than Covid, so if you’re a lockdown zealot you should be terrified of leaving the house without a flu jab, forget Covid. Covid (if the cause of death is actually Covid) is almost entirely killing people with a short life expectancy anyway (the dry tinder)…just like any other virulent illness. In short it’s absolutely nothing to get in a tizz about.

Except when they still die after the jab there will be pressure not to put COVID as the cause (because the vaccine must have worked) but the real cause e.g. heart failure, pneumonia etc. Places to hide and manipulate figures will be reduced. No comfort and best to stop the experiment on the vulnerable but if they do, they will be painting themselves into a corner.

I also expect a dialled down PCR to 24 cycles.

Yup! That is probably part of the plan.

Thank you so much for this truth. It matters to us to have it.

Been off for a while – knackered, done-in and, quite frankly, despairing of what is being done to us. I veer from unrestrained visceral fury to beaten-down anguish. I long for the nothingness of sleep, an escape from the seemingly never-ending psychological abuse.

BigPharma and the NHS took my mum, now they want me and my business. And for this, I am expected to tug my forelock in grovelling, grateful thanks. How I hate this nasty horrible world which I thought was pretty rubbish before this shitiest of shit-shows began. I hate the pygmy politicians with their weasel words and their patronising slogans. I despise their greed and their profligacy, their total disregard for humanity, their continuing psychological abuse. I challenge them all to get out into their constituencies and see for themselves the devastation they are wreaking, while they seek to walk away from the carnage unscathed.

I do wonder at what stage the masses will revolt. After all, they remained silent when their liberty was stripped from them and they looked the other way when humanity and kindness were outlawed. If it is only when they come for their money, that the tide turns, it will say an awful lot about them won’t it. A supine, acquiescent blob who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Just remember you are not alone we all feel the same. I take comfort from this website so rant away KH.

Great to have you back, never let the rage subside

Wholeheartedly agree

Welcome back kh. We all need time off from this, to recharge and refocus.
You are right to be angry and you are fully entitled to rant. If you can’t do it here, where else?

Thanks. I try it in the shop – I just get blank looks. I think, however, I got through to one couple today. They were doing the faux-pity thing that I absolutely hate. I pointed out the financial armageddon that is coming everyone’s way. I think I heard the sound of a penny dropping.

Well done if you’ve challenged the thinking of just one couple.

My window cleaner has just been and we were chatting.
He feels that there is a great deal of scepticism amongst his customers and a sense that this cannot simply be about a virus. I don’t think he’s read the GBD, but he expressed all the points it makes, and reckons many customers feel the same.
The government’s narrative is breaking down and people are waking up and thinking for themselves.
Be of good heart.

Welcome back kh and again remember you’re not alone.

I have the same question as you and I alternate between optimism and despair. I don’t mean to sound horrible and mean but some of the worst lockdown zealots I know are fairly well off. I’ve lost respect for them and despise them for their cowardice and lack of empathy. Perhaps there needs to be a reckoning for them in the form of higher taxes on their pensions and savings and them losing value. I shan’t shed any tears for them when they’re reduced to penury just like what many of us are now going through or threatened with.

Thanks Bart. Just said the same thing myself further up/down thread. The financial illiteracy on display is staggering to behold.

You’re welcome. It is appalling how many people are ignorant in terms of finances and economics even with the basic stuff

I just want to sleep too. I’m boiling with rage and can’t understand why more people don’t see what is happening.

Nail on head. Brilliant post, couldn’t have said it better myself.

Good to see you back, kh1485. Sorry to hear you’re having a hard time.

Please, hang on to visceral fury and not your anguish. Fury means action anguish means learned helplessness. We can do this, we can. Please. Have faith and have courage.

My own MP voted for this cruelty (Labour). Needless to say, I shall never vote Labour again or even vote again

My thoughts exactly. My friend’s cancer in now terminal due to this deceit. I thought I’d reached retirement without ever seeing war in my country. I was wrong.

I’m so very sorry. It is just criminal, there is no other word for it.

Don’t bother with the subhuman monkey-masses, kh. Trust in the valiant remnant of the human race that gathers here and in other places. While we exist and don’t give in, justice, kindness, vision and honesty are not dead.
You are living proof that they are not.
Heart up.

What happened to Public Health England and their 4 billion pound annual budget? An embarrassment for the government? Not singing from the same song sheet?

Your posts have been encouraging. Even in despair, knowing that others feel the same way is a comfort. It can seem like all have converted to Covidianism and the church of the NHS.
Best wishes and thank you

One thing worth bearing in mind is this: they have eased the restrictions over Christmas, not out of any respect for the birth of the King of Kings and only ruler of princes, but because they know that any orders they give will largely be disobeyed. They are afraid, and we must capitalise on that.

I also fluctuate between seething rage and abject despair. From the onset of this charade I was suspicious and sceptical and saw this whole thing as being entirely about social control. I have always been more fearful of people’s reactions to this than the virus itself. I’ve done very little differently, don’t wear a mask, was out all the time during the March lockdown and have visited my elderly parents during the current one. I’ve lost friends over this as most are complete zealots and think it’s the plague. Incidentally most of these people are in well paid secure jobs whereas I have a zero hours contract.

To live and love freely is to resist.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1331169084222926848

My love & prayers to you all.

Arnie.

Very talented young man is Bob, and a diehard sceptic. Love him!

And the increased military spend too. Ctrl+P going into overdrive.

Full speed ahead and over the cliff!

Johnson is morphing into a Totalitarian Dictator. Beware!

And the government has spent at least two hundred billion on business and job protection schemes – paying people to not work, with money it does not have, which will have to be repaid, with interest, by some combination of higher taxes, higher prices, lower wages, reduced public services: reduced standard of living for millions and millions of people.

Someone yesterday said next year’s budget is going to be off the scale in terms of the sheer scale of spending cuts and tax hikes.

That doesn’t surprise me but many will because they’ve been spoiled by all that free money.

They need to realise that free money doesn’t exist and it will have to be paid at some point.

Many will get a rude awakening when that happens.

They will. That’s them being hit in their pockets and stomach.

The millenials will too because they will be disappointed if they expect mum & dad to bail them out and they can’t.

Not if you’re retired, it won’t. The gerontocracy that locks students in halls, milks them for fees and then taxes them to pay for something that never effected them in the first place is truly evil.

Good. But they still won’t connect it to anything that has happened in the last 8 months, unless TV tells them to.

Johnson is a fkucwit. A globalist stooge who came to power on a lie. I doub t he or Charles ever had Covid, but it helped the propaganda machine to convince the people it was something to fear. It worked.

Bella Donna, he came into power on the back of a seriously rigged election. I agree he never had Covid not now not then it’s just a ploy to get out of the limelight because he can’t take the heat or responsibility. Shame we haven’t got an opposition party isn’t it.

Dido Harding must be a very rich person by now. This is truly scandalous, truly for a system that has failed consistently and is not fit for purpose.

She’s married to John Penrose, MP who wants the NHS dismantled.

She’s married to MP John Penrose who wants the NHS dismantled.

Can I have my £733 and not be tested?

“Lockdown 3.0”. Sorry, when did we come out of Lockdown? We’re still in Lockdown 1.0. Lockdown has been ongoing since March.

Exactly. They think that by calling it something different, we will be fooled.

Won’t get fooled again, eh?

They can fool us with name changes or parts 1, 2 or 3 but agree we’ve not emerged from the lockdown since March.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck……

Completely agree. And when Sunak announced the extension of the furlough scheme to March 2021 I knew that we would be in lockdown till at least that time. “Another six months of national misery” as I described it in a message to my MP.

Last 7 days in UK

Virus Tests Conducted 2,317,221
People Tested Positive 136,814 (-22.8%)
Hospitalisations 11,653 (-2.9%)
Deaths (within 28 days of +ve test) 3,084 (+175 (+6%))

Lock me down, I’m scared.

Most, if not all of them, are Flu or other causes.

“It’s a pity that residents in Primrose Hill claim that they can’t get to sleep. But there are some simple things they can do about this. The obvious solution is just to wear earplugs or earmuffs.

If that doesn’t work then they could just sleep at a different time of the day because it probably doesn’t matter what time of day they sleep, due to the lockdown.”

Quite a good spoof letter from Paul Brown, if a little obvious.

I was taken in until I got to that part.

Interesting bit about hospitality (and the Gov’s hatred of it).

A chap on Github has got himself access to the Serco NHS T&T App API and has put some nice stats on his Github page: https://russss.github.io/covidtracker/app.html

The interesting thing is the number of ‘risky venues’ (as the app calls them). Since they started getting the suckers to report in at pubs, restaurants, and anywhere else offering QR codes for scanning, the system has identified a whole 12 venues . Yes, you read that correctly, 12.

More interesting is that 5 of them have been since the latest big shutdown started. (I wonder if they are in Wales.)

Remember, SAGE previously insisted that hospitality was one of the main drivers of the virus.

This is incredible. Just goes to show that restrictions of pubs and restaurants is just for show. 10pm v 11 pm, face nappies if you are not seated, substantial meals or no booze, its all bollocks.
I hate these fools that believe in this shit.

Incredible it is.

Before the Tiers were introduced, Whitty told MPs that most infections came from pubs, etc.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8821281/Ministers-used-figures-based-fewer-100-pubs-justify-plan-shut-thousands.html

Chief Medical Officer Professor Chris Whitty briefed 149 MPs from the North and the Midlands yesterday to tell them that a ‘significant proportion’ of exposure to coronavirus was happening in the hospitality sector.

He showed them a table which suggested that 32 per cent of transmission may be occurring in pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants, with only 2.6 per cent taking place in the home.

But the MPs complained the information was ‘selective’ and clearly serving the Government’s purpose.

The table he showed them was from a report from June/July in the USA, and his ‘evidence’ consisted of a claim that 30-odd% of people had been in a ‘hospitality setting’ in the previous 9-14 days.

Yet still most of them voted to agree the Tier system and later the 2nd Lockdown.

They hate hospitality but they hate private gatherings (weddings, funerals, private parties) even more. They hate anything that they cannot regulate, track and trace, and they want all human interactions to take place on their terms.

Just a thought. The Night Time Industry Association is in Judicial Review against the Government. The Letter Before Action has been issued and the process is underway. This graph is just what they need as part of their evidence. Also, the fact Witty had based his comments on a previous USA study.

I agree but I think this is also their Achilles heel. Do you really think that the establishment are going to forego weddings, dinners, balls, parties and the like, for ever? Of course not. They will do it behind closed doors, but eventually word – and photographs – will get out, and people will start wondering why they can’t go for a drink at the Duke of York, when Boris et al are out partying with the actual Duke of York.

Well SAGE as we all know, aren’t concerned with the facts just the power. They have variously blamed people meeting up for a chat, family get together’s, mixing at work, they have blamed just about everything except themselves. But this, this is brilliant.

DearLock down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

From Ivor Cummins : “A must watch. I can say no more. You can support the corporate takeover of our society. Or you can support truth in science, and protect our future. The latter protect our society, over the actions of vandals. It is your choice. Make it wisely. “

Preaching to the converted again though. It just makes me more mad watching things like that. And the sad thing is that the people that do need to watch it will still just dismiss it as conspiracy theory because of “virus”.

I understand where you’re coming from, Another. But I found it uplifting when I watched it just now. I have no doubt that you are right and any non-sceptics would just dismiss it as dangerous propaganda. Most people chose the path of least resistance months ago.

Ok…my rant for the day. Videos like that are great and reinforce what we have known form March: that this whole thing is a massive overaction, that the virus in no deadlier than a seasonal flu and that we have given away our rights and destroy the economy for something that is basically a bad cold. NONE OF THIS MATTERS!! Nobody besides the sceptics will not even entertain the idea because they have too much invested in their fals reality. The government are all in into the Great Reset ( remember when Boris said build ,back ,better over and over) and agenda 2030 , the populous would never admit that have fed a lie which they basically swallowed whole without even questioning it once. So these sort of videos are cute but non important. I have given up watching them or listening to Carl Hanegan Sikora, Gupta etc..Why do i need too? I know I agree with everything they say and nobody else who is not woken up already will not listen to anything they say. The brainwashing and the propaganda from MSM has been complete success. Goebbels would be having a wet dream just thinking about it.

And so we plod on. We don’t live because there is almost no life left ,we exist and a lot of us are loosing hope as everyday there is a new indignity , a new humiliation , a new way to restrict our rights and the 99% do …NOTHING!! There is no riots, protest, massive civil acts of disobedience.. Nothing! We slowly walk toward a Brave New World. When they decide that I can’t travel, shop, walk down the streets and work without a vaccine pass I will either submit and live as a slave or end it all. Depends how I feel on the day. I have survived the killing fields and mountains of Afghanistan, saw my friends blown up, held my best friends hand while he died in front of me. None of that matters, it was all for nothing. The country I love more that live has spat me out and has nothing for me but disdain. Fuck them fuck the lot of them!!

Rant over..

I agree with everything that you have just said. That is exactly how I feel now.

Yep as someone else said on here, this is a fight to the death. I will fight too. To be honest, I truly believe there isn’t much more mileage in what they’re doing any more. People are going to do what they like at Christmas whatever these psychopaths tell us. The scientists are not following the science as if they were, we wouldn’t be in Lockdown. The scientists are following their own vested interests in becoming multi-millionnaires with these vaccines pure and simple. I’m not giving up I’ll oppose and fight whatever happens. I’d rather be in the Resistance than a Collaborator. Nil desperandum, this will end and I believe the end is nigh. Just don’t listen to the smokescreens such as vaccines etc – they are just masking a very weak Government who have got it wrong, corrupt scientists who lied, cheated and broke their ethical code and the fact of course, that there is no pandemic or second wave. Keep a clear focus. We will win.

I know it may sound patronising or simplistic but creativity, spirituality and nature always overcomes this feeling of powerlessness.

Read Rupert Brooke’s poem, ‘The Soldier’. England is not a government, or a set of arbitrary laws. It is a place, a people, a history, a culture and a tradition. Her people, in thrall to despotic rulers, have accepted slavery before, but always, they have risen up against it in the end.

Lock Down 3, is that so, Nudge Unit?

Like most of us on here, I have no wish whatsoever to have some undertested vaccine for something with a survival rate of 99.7%. But I have a daughter and grandchildren in Australia who I haven’t seen for two years now, and god knows when the chance will arise again. So seeing Qantas announcement about compulsory vaccinations fills me with dread. I can use other airlines, thats not the problem, but I fully expect countries as well as airlines to introduce the same rules.
So I will be forced at some point into compliance.

There is a link from earlier today to a travel agent (Fair Winds ?) who say they will be boycotting Qantas when they resume operations in Australia next year.

Think it was the guys at Tradewinds. I am surveying my clients to see what their thoughts on it are and whether they would fly on airlines insisting on vaccine certificate. One client said they will only fly on such an airline. #Facepalm

Oh dear. Presumably said client will also want screening for TB, dyptheria, HIV, H1N1, Sars, Ebola, Bronchitis, Legionnaire’s, Impetigo, Whooping cough….!

The sense of entitlement that some corporations are currently displaying is astonishing. How inconvenient it must by for them to have customers, poor things. Let’s do them all a favour and not bother them with our troublesome custom.

They have a death wish obviously so let’s give it to them by boycotting them.

The people who make Quantas work should start rebelling. The higher ups won’t suffer as much they will if the company goes belly uup.

All we can do is resist as long as possible. The vaccine zeal may peter out for any number of reasons before then. At least you may be able to wait long enough to get a sensible view on which has proven to be safest. In an ideal world I’m having vaccines for things that are truly dangerous such as yellow fever and Hep C. I’ll trust my old and overweight body (thanks Lockdown) to fight off lesser bugs for as long as I can resist.

I am of the definite view the vaccine zeal will peter out sooner than people think. It’s a smokescreen. I don’t think there will be much take up for it really. Let’s see what happens in the NHS whether staff agree to take it or not. One thing I know for sure, Doctors, Nurses and other medical personnel will never take drugs they willy nilly prescribe to others most true in the psychiatric arena. Astra Zeneca has effectively been blown out of the water hasn’t it? That leaves the Pfizer one which is new and poorly tested and dangerous.

The vaccine is dangerous but the thought process that is promoting it is even more dangerous.

I think many people are in this situation. I am even worried if I am going to be able to get to the UK (from CH) to visit my 86-yr-old mother. (Three planned trips this year; all flights cancelled.)

Nevertheless, I think it is vital to resist these ‘freedom passes’. I would urge everyone to try to avoid flying/going to concerts/etc. under these conditions for as long as possible (though of course I understand the pressure). I would rather undergo a test (big money making exercise, so may remain an option) or even quarantine. (Not that I think these make any sense.)

Once Gates’ IDs are here, it will probably be impossible to get rid of them. And, for sure, they will be used for God-knows-what other purposes. Though of course, if it comes to that, we should never stop trying to remove them. And I assume there will be court cases, which hopefully can be won.

The idea is pure apartheid/fascism, as pointed out by CH parliamentary taskforce in April (‘…Health Passes have always played a role in Fascism and, for instance in context of eugenics, been used to mark out superior people.’)

n einem Policy Brief hat sich die wissenschaftlichen Taskforce des Bundes schon im April kritisch zu Immunitätsausweisen geäussert. Deren Verwendung sei durch das öffentliche Interesse nicht legitimiert, da sie eine Gefahr für die Gesellschaft seien. «Wenn Inhaber eines Passes Privilegien genössen, wären spezielle Massnahmen nötig, um die direkte oder indirekte Diskriminierung zu verhindern», heisst es im Papier. Immunitätszertifikate sollten wenn schon nicht in Form eines Passes verwendet werden. Die Autoren verweisen darauf, dass Gesundheitspässe im Faschismus immer wieder eine Rolle gespielt hätten und etwa im Umkreis der Eugenik aufgekommen seien, um überlegene Menschen auszuzeichnen.

https://www.20min.ch/story/erhalten-getestete-und-geimpfte-bald-privilegien-463462993993

I see that I was not very precise. What needs to be resisted at the vaccine/immunity (Gates) passports. I now note that the ‘Freedom Pass’ is merely a forerunner of this.

Now having read the comments on the Swiss article (in MSM free, wide-circulation paper), I am happy to report that comments are overwhelmingly negative toward vaccination as a condition for flying/living in general. However, Swiss officials cited on the article are worryingly unwilling to rule out the idea.

None of these vaccines prevent anyone catching covid, nor prevent spreading it. At best, they just stop you from showing symptoms, thus creating something that is rare today: asymptomatic transmission.

Therefore there must always be some sort of lockdown imposed on us.

It’s a forever thing.

When I listen to the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, and the rest of them, it sounds like they know how a vaccine works.

That should read: “sounds like they don’t know how a vaccine works.”

Lol; I thought you’d meant it sarcastically!

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-2.3-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617

Just checked the Weather Network. It’s -12 degrees Celsius in Montreal today. Health and Weather have now been combined as one.
Monday, November 23rd 2020, 12:19 pm – It looks like Canada’s cold winter weather could favour the survival of the COVID-19 virus. Reporter Rachel Schoutsen explains in her latest Health and Weather report, below.

REALLY? WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT!
THE VIRUS HANGS IN DRY AIR LONGER
WHAT ABOUT HUMID COLD AIR?
The way our droplets react to cold air plays a large role in how the virus thrives.
“In cold winter weather when you exhale — you know you can see your breath in the winter, you can actually see those droplets

They start to evaporate right away,” Furness explains. “In fact, what you notice with that breath that you can see is it doesn’t go down, it goes up. So the air is dry, the droplets evaporate, they get lighter, they stay in the air longer. So instead of falling quickly, they stay in the air.”

You can see the droplets. Really? Greta Thunberg claims that she can see Carbon Dioxide so I guess it’s true.

They can put my region in Tier 1003 for all i care, have done pretty much my own thing since April, not many are taking much notice judging by the busy roads here in Darlo and with young but clued up staff members just saying its all about control now. The only inconvenience is they, these utter scum bag tories, have destroyed the pub and restaurant trade so i will forever socially distance myself from ever voting for them or the ghastly labour party at any future election – i suppose they will want us to post votes now seeing how successful it was in the States.

Yep, completely different to April/May. Took me 2 minutes to get out of Elm Ridge garden centre yesterday for all the traffic.

same journey for me Biggles !!

This isn’t ending anytime soon – Ireland to extend the Pandemic Unemployment Payment to March 2021.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/pup-will-be-extended-until-march-as-cabinet-plans-next-step-in-covid-fight-39783352.html

Strange that. I could have sworn somewhere else did the same thing just in the last month. Must be that darn incompetence again.

Convergent blundering.

The equivalent German measures are already extended into 2022.

I’ve just dropped my 9 year old daughter at school and there was another father and daughter (about 7) going to another primary school. This guy’s face was completely covered like a bank robber, a black blob with a cap on, no eyes showing. Presumably they will let him pick her up this afternoon without checking he’s not a kidnapper FFS!

All this stupidity (picking up kids from school dressed like a bank robber) is not going to end well, for obvious reasons.

Exactly when the inevitable happens.

The Joy Suckers.

When masks were first mandated in shops and banks I had to carry out several high value transactions over two days. I am now exempt but back then I was conforming and thought that it’s just a few minutes. With a straight face the cashier compared my photo ID with the tiny part of my face she could see and then allowed me to move large sums of money.

They can legitimately ask you to remove your face nappy to prove identity but they probably either don’t know that or consider it too risky.

I would bet on the they don’t know option.

I’ve had the thought of satirising the mask thing by going into the shops with black scarf, hat and dark glasses, no part of face visible. But many people would probably fail to spot the satire and even think that I was doing the right thing by being really careful.

Don’t forget a pair of wellies.

We have internet banking with Lloyds and just lately when you go into your account, up pops: “do you need coronavirus advice?”
For God’s sake Lloyds, I think if you can operate a online bank account, you know all about the hysterical overreaction about Covid.
I assume that other online bank accounts are the same?

Yes, mine does that too. I can go in there, or to HMRC’s equivalent page, and read about all the ways I won’t be eligible for their help.

Mine (Santander) says ‘Beware Coronavirus Fraud’

Yes quite

My entirely online bank has never mentioned it.

Neither has mine.

Natwest’s a yes.

Brief anecdote from local opticians; I went to collect my new specs-appointment only-prearranged.

Showed my lanyard; OK; then, the woman who served me had to don the plastic gear: plastic apron-useless; gloves and mask.

New specs perfect; very pleased; assistant safe behind perspex barrier and careful not to touch my potentially lethal hand, as I handed the new specs to her for a slight adjustment to be made.

Following my departure, she’ll have disposed of the plastic waste,and then embarked on the obligatory deep clean.

How much non-recyclable waste is all this nonsense creating? And what about all the additional cleaning materials?

I wonder what colourfully inappropriate metaphors Boris and co will employ to exempt this growing mountain from the many recycling mandates?

Finally, friend, a committed zealot,asked me whether I would have the vaccine; ‘no’ was my reply and she concurred; she doesn’t want it either.

Are cracks starting to appear in the lockdown wall?

My elder granddaughter started to learn to drive with a recomended driving school who after LD1 reduced their number of lessons per day to 2 because they needed 2 hours to clean down and sanitize the car; it gets better; they said because of the aforementioned situation, all lessons would have to be 3 hours long to make up for their expenses and lost revenue; needless to say granddaughter sought elsewhere.

Bonkers! Hope she’s doing well with the new instructor though.

Yes, she is, thank you.
No lessons since LD2 of course but she has passed her theory test.
Thank you your best wishes, Wendyk.

Good for her,and I trust she’ll do well when she resumes her lessons.

I’m sure that she will.
Thank you once again, Wendyk, it is truly appreciated.
We all support, help and cheer up one another when occasionally we feel down.

How much non-recyclable waste is all this nonsense creating? And what about all the additional cleaning materials?

Loads and the irony is there’s nowt a peep from the Green movement when they were making so much noise with single use plastics and coffee cups. And yet the PPEs and masks are more of a hazard than the single use plastics and coffee cups.

The cleaning materials are also a problem. I’ve always held that the excessive cleaning and sanitising is bad for our health and immune systems. Plus from a customer service point of view, it causes massive delays. The cloakroom where I work will be reopening but there will loads of cleaning that we will have to do that I won’t be surprised if visitors simply won’t bother to use the service.

Well said Bart and I know that dermatitis is increasing,as a result of the irritants in the gloves,masks and cleaning materials.

Certainly we’ve refused the gloves and out of principle I don’t use the sanitisers unless I have to and especially I refuse to use the wipes.

I suspect the masks will become more of a problem when we reopen and my colleagues will have to wear them for 7-8 hours.

Sorry to hear of your awful optician experience wendyk. I was treated similarly in Tesco yesterday. Grumpy bod behind the perspex, gloved-up, masked-up barely concealing her contempt for my maskless state.

On the vaccine, a lot of my (eminently sensible) octogenarian and nonagenarian customers have given a resounding thumbs-down to having the jab. I think the gov’t are expecting this demographic to be queuing in their droves for their (minimally tested) vaccine.

More and more people here are wearing the wretched gags in the open air! Try as I might, allowing for my opposition, I cannot see the rationale; of course, there isn’t one!

Now I see hats pulled down-as we’re in the grip of heavy rain and gales-with masks below,so almost the entire face is covered and disguised:a really disturbing anonymity.

I see we are in full on “repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth territory” with the unsage, corrupt advisors.

Agreed – SAGE don’t know their onions and we’re getting stuffed.

This blog is supposedly for those who oppose lockdowns. Should it not, therefore, focus on articles such as this by Professor Tim Spector.

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/did-lockdown-2-0-work-heres-whats-going-on-with-covid-19-across-the-country

Tim writes

The good news is that our latest analysis for the whole of the UK shows that we are past the peak of new COVID-19 cases, which probably occurred before we went into Lockdown 2.0.

The bad news is that this positive trend masks significant regional differences.

Areas that were under relatively strict tier restrictions in October – including the North East and North West of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland – are all seeing a continued drop in the number of new COVID-19 cases after peaking in the second half of October.

By contrast, the number of new cases in the Midlands has risen steadily since the beginning of October and continued during lockdown. Rates are now higher here than in the North of England, although hopefully showing signs of levelling off

Note this is almost exactly what the ONS data indicates, i.e. Lockdown did nothing to change the trajectory of regional infection rates. Those areas which had declining cases continued to have declining cases while those areas with increasing cases continued to see cases increase.

This is the message that needs to be drummed into politicians.

‘infection rates’

How often does it have to be said?

PCR does not tell you who is infected.

Prof Spector’s survey is not based on PCR tests but on self-reporting of symptoms. There are obviously sources of error in that too, of course.

Self-reporting of symptoms?

You’ve got to be joking.

Jesus wept – on that basis at least 80% of the population had had covid by April.

Maybe they have?

I think Spector was mentioned above the line a few days ago. He has certainly been discussed below the line.

Enthusiasm for him may be somewhat muted due to his apparent acceptance of the narrative that covid is a big thing about which something must be done.

But yes, it’s useful to have him saying things like this.

A quick scout of newspaper reader comments today suggest:-
Telegraph- 80% anti lockdown
Mail – 70% anti lockdown
Guardian – 70% pro lockdown
Sun – 50/50.

Government polls suggest 70% pro lockdown.

Surprise that will be Carrie’s fave the guardian then?

I think we need to leave Carrie Symmonds out of all of this. Johnson is in the grip of madness with two psychopathic incompetent scientists at the helm and Wancock and Gove who are relishing all this power which they are exercising without any accountability or responsibility at all. She is Johnson’s partner and she has a right to discuss things with him. It’s down to him what he does and at the moment, its Wancock, Gove, Witless and Unbalanced who are driving the Johnson bus.

Where is Boris sitting on this bus? In the back? The Prime Minister is a back of the bus bencher.

Hancock belongs on the short bus

I think we need to leave Carrie Symmonds out of all of this.

Even if she is his handler ?

Gov’t polls are opinion influencing tools

In essence – let’s vote for repression

Guardian, 70% of 5 readers

And the BBC.

Imperial College have calculated it in the range of 0% to 17,000% in favour.

The guardian readers never let me down.

All 5 of them as someone posted earlier then?

If there are only five of them then it should be fairly easy to take them out and take over the narrative.

Can I j ust add something here. The Guardian has now become notorious at massive censorship of comments that don’t suit their narrative. The Guys at Offg show this every week. They are brilliant. So, I wouldn’t set too much store with the Guardian comments you can bet that the majority of anti-lockdown comments will have been censored.

They’ve been censoring comments they don’t like for years now. I always remember comments about Polly Toynbee’s background being deleted whenever she writes a column banging on about the backgrounds of the likes of Cameron and Osborne then.

‘Freedom means not having a Freedom Pass’

https://twitter.com/zoeharcombe/status/1331168051769831426?s=20

It’s not freedom it’s a form of slavery.

Have yourself a jolly careful Christmas
Stay 6 feet apart
Or infection rates will rocket and go off the chart

Have yourself a jolly careful Christmas
Preferably, alone
Think of all the money you’ll save on your own

Just forget ‘bout the olden days
Happy golden days of yore
All those friends once were dear to you
Daren’t come near to you no more

Maybe next year, you may get together
That’s if SAGE agrees
But this year, it’s just you and your Christmas trees
So have yourself a jolly careful Christmas now

From The Telegraph: “However, Christmas carols and hymns will remain on hold for now, with the Government expected to reach a final decision in the coming days as to whether they are safe to go ahead. Choirs will be permitted to sing but congregations will need to remain silent for now, Downing Street said.”

WTAF does he think he is? “Remain silent”? Utterly satanic.

I gave up carol singing when I was about 9, me and Mum used to go round the village in a group knocking on doors and having a sing, I might do it again, just to stick a spanner in the works. Bastards.

Utter madness

They can F. O. Our Christmas will be happy one, they can spend a miserable Christmas if they want.

They really have lost the plot now haven’t they. Really lost it. Arrogance, stupidity and ignorance is going to bring them down. This is just power for power’s sake no more no less. You can’t stop a congregation singing.

I’m sure our congregation is going to sing! We sing every Sunday.

I still sing in church despite the vicar announcing before each service only 2 or 3 at the front as a “Choir” may sing.

Utterly fucking ridiculous. Not least because the average congregation can’t raise enough breath to flicker a candle. But the whole thing is just piddling about with niceties by bureaucrats making themselves feel important. Never mind pot banging – you should be out singing carols on the doorstep. My recommendation for what to sing – “ You scumbag, you maggot, you cheap lazy faggot, Merry Christmas your arse – thank God it’s our last.” Obviously.

(lousy faggot ?)

The Coward Church will, of course, comply, as it continues to worship the Covid devil.
The craven bedwetting bishop of St David’s will not even allow choirs to sing.
I am my own open-air choir and congregation and i shall sing as loudly as i possibly can.

I have this mental picture of congregations everywhere ripping off their muzzles and roaring out ‘Hark the Herald’.
Won’t happen, because there are no real Christians left in the churches, only cowardly little worms.

Come all ye faithful!

What a joke!

Don’t know if this has already been posted, if so it deserves to be again.

Tradewinds Travel
@UKTwinds
We have made a company decision today to not sell any
@Qantas
flights, even on a code share, following their announcement of no vaccination, no flight. There are far superior airlines with flights to #Australia

Quanta was the best airline we ever used. Its a pity they have taken this route.

They’ll change their mind once it loses them business, all businesses will once they realise they’re getting less customers. That’s my 1 hope anyway. I will make it clear to any shop etc. I go to that I will never ever shop there if they try to implement something similar.

Used to be good, but flew with them in 2011 and it was a dreadful experience. Proper meals ran out and they filled in by supplying mini pizzas, so much so I joked that there was a Domino’sPizza 737 flying alongside the A380 over Penang. Plane looked like a skip when landing at Singapore.

Now that’s what I call not only courage but ethical decision making at its best. Bravo Tradewinds Travel.

Excellent! I was hoping there would be fightback. There can be sites promoting businesses that do similar.

A must watch. The Anti Lockdowners are the new Abolitionists!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

Give me back my broken night
My mirrored room, my secret life
It’s lonely here
There’s no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
Over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby
That’s an order!
Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that’s left
And stuff it up the hole
In your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
I’ve seen the future, brother:
It is murder…

Leonard Cohen – The Future

I don’t see those lyrics on the commemorative Leonard Cohen stamp here in Canada. Nor on the posters pasted here and there along Saint Lawrence Boulevard. I copied and pasted it and. Then I will make photocopies and paste them alongside the posters.

I met Leonard Cohen once in 1973. Sort of. My Quebecoise girlfriend, Francine, was a good friend of Leonard’s wife/girlfriend at the time. I saw Leonard walk downstairs from his two storey loft, wave hello and disappear somewhere. I also used to see him hanging out at a bistro café, Le Bal Saint Louis, on Prince Arthur Street in the 70s and early 80s.

Good news guys. Elon Musk is now wealthier than Bill Gates. Clearly this is because pro-freedom, anti-lockdown is the dominant strategy!

Yes, for the moment, but Bill’s next big payday is just round the corner

Musk is a very strange man, and an arch technocrat, but has consistently and very publicly hammered lockdown, testing, the vaccine and Dr. Gates.

My enemy’s enemy is my friend.

Yeah? Don’t give him any ideas.

Has Trump ‘effectively conceded’?

The question that needs to be answered before Trump supporters will ever accept the published result is this:
Given that Trump’s vote held up, where did Biden get all those extra votes?

For the result to be kosher, it is necessary to believe that Biden attracted enough first-time voters to overbalance what would on a normal turnout have been a winning total for Trump. A huge number of people who could not be bothered to turn out for Obama, never mind the Clintons, but have now turned out for Biden. As the best that can be said of Biden is that he is sometimes coherent, that looks weird.

There is an explanandum here. Maybe a perfectly good explanation is possible. But right now the entire commentariat refuses to accept that there is an explanandum – and on that basis more then 70 million Americans will never believe in this result as genuine.

We may never know how genuine the result is, but although the figures may look a bit fishy, I think it’s plausible that Trump is a polarising figure and people were desperate to get rid of him. While I can see why people don’t like him much, it baffles me why anyone would prefer Biden and the Dems with their toxic identity politics.

But first time and occasional voters? Trump hatred is, I would have thought, restricted to the demographics that always vote anyway.

Possibly. Maybe last time they didn’t think he’d win so stayed at home.

Trump’s vote went UP by 4 million at least.

He hasn’t conceded at all. He simply released the pressure on the GSA lady to start talking to Biden’s people. There are still cases to go to the Supreme Court and like you say something isn’t sitting right with the whole thing.

No

I naively thought Fibber Johnson was going to cut us some slack over Christmas – how wrong one can be. So now the government’s diktats have about us much moral force as the provisional regime of an occupying army.

Something we can learn from the young: if enough people turn up, there are not enough police to deal with it. If the police turn up to supervise Christmas in my street, I will get out there and hoot my appreciation. Remember your iPhone is a surveillance tool. Wrapping it in aluminium foil seems to work.

You could turn your Iphone off, or get an old Nokia 3310 (yes they still exist and work on the 2g network) or live in a cave or a tunnel or escape to a remote island, the possibilities are endless.

Me I am taking no notice at all and carrying on my life.

Good for you.

I use my Android for communicating here and for work but otherwise switch it off and use my old Nokia for my private(ish) life.

If the police can’t control 500 kids at an impromptu rave in a London park what hope do they have of containing real civil unrest ?

Or even real normal life?

Bin the iphone. Try an older android rom with a custom rom and learn to control your phone. Or something like: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 perhaps. Spend your money with a company that values freedom rather then one that wishes to control every aspect of your device like Apple.

I don’t have an iPhone, but my wife does. I have been stunned on occasion to see targeted advertising for things we’ve mentioned or she’s browsed. Also I find it sinister to be walking along, say, a beach and be asked how we’re enjoying our ‘experience’ of it. iPhones are susceptible to hacking, tracking and eavesdropping (especially if you become a person of interest). Some can be tracked even if switched off. I also note there is a market in Faraday cages and bags – wonder why?

So my broad point was, if you’re planning to take the government’s rules slightly less than seriously, leave your phone at home or wrap it in foil, or use a Nokia, as I do. Thanks for your advice – you’re obviously an expert, whereas I am merely paranoid.

I’m trying to find a table which has been posted which shows mortality rate against ages and with or without underlying conditions
e.g Age 70-80 without 1% with 5%
age 60-70 without .8% with 2%

I’m sure it was on a few days ago but have failed in my searches. I’d be grateful if someone could repost and tell me how to search for it.

Here you go. Third and Fourth tabs.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-19-November-2020-weekly-file.xlsx

While I’m here; here are 2 charts showing deaths by age in English hospitals. Chart on the left is raw numbers; on the right, by percentage of total.

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-23-November-2020.xlsx

I notice that the percentage of 80+ deaths is increasing, as would be expected as we approach winter flu season.

Any clues as to why the weekly deaths figure is 18.4% above the five year average in the figures out today?

Deaths have been 10% or so above the five year average for a few weeks now but the age distribution seems completely normal?

I would be very interested in any explanation for this.

Thanks -had to go out -sorry for delay in reply

At some later date i wonder, will this dangerous and deceitful Government turn our armed services against its own people…in the name of adhering to the rules.

Will the average squaddie take orders to aim at his family and friends.

Which will be the first European nation to turn on its own peoples with military aggression in the name of controlling the “virus”, Germany possibly.

Remember the image of the helpful police bobby of only a few years ago ? they now resemble Robocop without the charm.

Boris, has recently found £20 billion or so for “national defence”, i doubt this is for anything other than to be used against the home population.

“ will this dangerous and deceitful Government turn our armed services against its own people ”

Yes.

“ Will the average squaddie take orders to aim at his family and friends ”

For their and our sake I hope not.

That’s not how it will work. British soldiers will be sent to Germany “as part of NATO or BAOR” to take orders to aim at Germans (or, as it will be put in the MSM) “The baby-killing Hun”. German troops will come to the UK as part of NATO forces due to “undemocratic Extreme Right-wing forces agitating unrest”.

And they will take aim, perfectly happily, at UK citizens.

Also, i don`t know how accurate this is – many reports on the web re recent Trafalgar Sq protests have complained of police that could hardly speak /understand English.

See dinghy’s coming into Dover…

And that was only the English ones. Sorry, couldn’t resist it. Seriously, Awkward Git’s FOI request should be interesting.

The same reports that tell of the rallies being policed initially by traditional bobbys who are then withdrawn and replaced by baton and taser wielding thugs who wear no semblance of a police uniform.

Oh dear, that brings to mind the scene in
28 Weeks Later when friendly US troops massacre the UK survivors in the London green zone.