2020-11-25

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265093 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 7, #1 of 1931 🔗

I think I’m first! Can’t sleep’

265094 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Moomin, #2 of 1931 🔗

Baa!

265299 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Ovis, 2, #3 of 1931 🔗

Quite helpful, but, really, Moomin probably needs to count more than one sheep to reach the Land of Nod!

265095 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Moomin, #4 of 1931 🔗

Me neither.

265096 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #5 of 1931 🔗

I’m not sure reading this helps my insomnia! When will this madness ever end?

265099 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Moomin, 12, #6 of 1931 🔗

No. Also, how can the vackseeen (as Bojo pronounced it, no doubt after hopping himself up on Hollywood movies) reduce the R rate if it is not claimed that it grants immunity? Unless the R rate is in effect a made up number.

265175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ovis, 2, #7 of 1931 🔗

Exactly what I’ve been wondering.

265258 ▶▶▶▶▶ Merlin, replying to Ovis, 10, #8 of 1931 🔗

The r-rate is in effect a made up number. It’s a kinda observational value which is kinda useful to describe it’s behaviour in a populous (but isn’t an intrinsic property of the virus as such). In theory if you new the infection state of every one in the country you can determine its value. Since that is basically impossible the r-rate has to be inferred from some empirical data (testing) as an input to their epidemiological models, which the basically run backwards to get a r-rate….in short depends totally on their models and we know how good they have been.

265729 ▶▶▶▶▶ caradoc, replying to Ovis, 4, #9 of 1931 🔗

The R number is exactly that:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk#how-are-r-and-growth-rates-estimated

“The UK estimates of R and growth rate are averages over very different epidemiological situations and should be regarded as a guide to the general trend rather than a description of the epidemic state. Given the increasingly localised approach to managing the epidemic, particularly between nations, UK level estimates are less meaningful than previously.

It is SAGE’s expert view, however, that this week’s estimates are reliable.

Individual modelling groups use a range of data to estimate growth rates and R values.

Different modelling groups use different data sources to estimate these values using mathematical models that simulate the spread of infections. Some may even use all these sources of information to adjust their models to better reflect the real-world situation.

There is uncertainty in all these data sources so estimates can vary between different models, so we do not rely on just one model; evidence from several models is considered, discussed, combined, and the growth rate and R are then presented as ranges. The most likely true values are somewhere within the ranges.

The growth rate and R are estimated by several independent modelling groups based in universities and Public Health England (PHE). The modelling groups discuss their individual R estimates at the Science Pandemic Influenza Modelling group (SPI-M) – a subgroup of SAGE.

SPI-M use several models, each using data from a variety of sources in their estimates of R and growth rate. Epidemiological data, such as hospital admissions, ICU admissions and deaths, usually takes up to 3 weeks to reflect changes in the spread of disease.

Estimates of the growth rates and R are currently updated on a weekly basis. However, they are not the only important measures of the epidemic.

Both should be considered alongside other measures of the spread of disease, such as the number of new cases of the disease identified during a specified time period (incidence), and the proportion of the population with the disease at a given point in time (prevalence).”

But they don’t know the prevalence rate:

“To calculate the prevalence rate, we would need an accurate understanding of the swab test’s sensitivity (true-positive rate) and specificity (true-negative rate)”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/11september2020#test-sensitivity-and-specificity

So part of the equation is missing. How then we give it credence? As a result of wrongly classifying positive tests as “cases”, the R number will also increase.

This is what is known as “following the science”. The general public and politicians believe the R number is a gold standard measure of the disease spread and policy decisions are based upon it.

267035 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dee, replying to Ovis, #10 of 1931 🔗

Check out this video of Bill Gates telling the CIA about his Mind Control Vaccine::
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Msu5mIJFSBCq/

pass it on. This is not a joke or a hoax, everybody need to know.

Why is my post ‘waiting aproval’ when everybody elses comments go straight in? My comment is not a joke or a hoax, it is deadly serious and as many people as possible should be made aware of it. I have recieved ‘Lockdown Sceptic’ in my email ever since it started so I am no stranger.

265097 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Moomin, 16, #11 of 1931 🔗

I am sick and tired of counting sheep when out and about.

When I need to count them to help me sleep I cannot.

Top of the mornin’ to all

265098 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 127, #12 of 1931 🔗

Temporary restrictions lifted, with major caveats, just for Christmas?? Since when did you begin negotiating and bargaining for your basic liberties?! This is batshit crazy. You don’t need “protests,” you need outright rebellion!

265100 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to RyanM, 45, #13 of 1931 🔗

We all just need to carry on as best we can with our normal lives. If the sheep want to abide rules, regulations etc. let them

265135 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dave #KBF, 41, #14 of 1931 🔗

Absolutely right. I don’t care a baa if every single sheeple stays quavering and whimpering in bed until it dies. Indeed, they have no life worth living, so when they die it will make no difference.

265169 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 8, #15 of 1931 🔗

Survival of the fittest/Natural selection:Bring it on!!!

265393 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 8, #16 of 1931 🔗

They are dead already.

266217 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to annie, 1, #17 of 1931 🔗

harsh, but fair

265328 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #18 of 1931 🔗

Exactly, its our life and we should live it the way we think best for ourselves. If the zombies want to cower and hide let them.

265102 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to RyanM, 48, #19 of 1931 🔗

It’s about saving lockdown by retreating from what would otherwise be a humiliating collapse over Christmas. Bojo is giving ‘permission’ for what people would have done anyway, thus avoiding any admission of defeat.

Clearly they do fancy their chances of winning the great battle of New Year’s Eve, unfortunately. Perhaps the regime believes it can regain the appearance of legitimacy for lockdown by opposing itself to a tiny minority of irresponsible drunks, letting the country down in its great unifying struggle against the rona. Hail Johnson!

265105 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Ovis, 6, #20 of 1931 🔗

Police are alway out in force on New Year’s eve, no skin of their noses if they are stopping parties in private home or pubs, bars & restaurants.

265111 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ovis, 9, #21 of 1931 🔗

New Years Eve in my drinking days was very much a Scottish thing.
Perhaps best left to them to win that one against sturgeon.

Do the BBC still do a 6 hour borathon with any old comedians and third rate singers who they can stick in kilt ?

265114 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 8, #22 of 1931 🔗

You leave Moira Anderson out of this

265219 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 3, #23 of 1931 🔗

I don’t suppose she or Andy Stewart would cut the mustard nowadays. It’ll be some woke rubbish.

265303 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to karenovirus, 6, #24 of 1931 🔗

Yes – there has been nothing watchable since Clive James gave up on doing his New Year countdown take on events of the year!

265469 ▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to karenovirus, 14, #25 of 1931 🔗

Perheps Mizz Sturgeon’ll do her Jimmy Krankie impression for ye on Hogmanay. Oh hang on, she already is…

265216 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Ovis, 24, #26 of 1931 🔗

All this done by the Weasel Gove. Since when did the devolved nations dictate what should happen in England. You can drive a horse and carriage through these ridiculous regulations. No definition of how big a household can be or the size of studio flat or a mansion where they get together. All unenforceable tosh which the Police have said they don’t have the time to enforce. Very few will obey.

265264 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to alw, 4, #27 of 1931 🔗

Agreed although I do wonder if the cancellation of Hogmany was a rare defeat for the Lochdown monster of the ‘Ikea Parliament’?

Why don’t they just call Gove “First Minister of England?”. Would make it clearer to the other 3 where they sit in the packing order.

265490 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to alw, 5, #28 of 1931 🔗

Gove and Tories have always been contemptible bastards

265108 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RyanM, 59, #29 of 1931 🔗

Protests can work. As LS reader theanalyst posted late yesterday
“Gym owners got angry and won concessions very easily. Open in all 3 tiers”.

Likewise a regional chain of 5 garden centres/plant nurseries refused to close on the grounds that Tesco up the road were selling shrubs so why couldn’t they ?

Despite Council threats of enforced closure and police threats against customers they stayed open throughout lockdown and beyond.
Like gyms, Garden Centres are now classed as essential.

Time pubs and restaurants did the same.

Great article in Spiked about how the great and the good despise wet boozers noting how regulations specifically favour the gastropub of which they approve.

265109 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 41, #30 of 1931 🔗

Agree about pubs and restaurants. Bearing in mind the size of the industry, I’m amazed there hasn’t been more resistance. If we all ignored the rules, what could they do?

265113 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 26, #31 of 1931 🔗

Tim Martin of Weatherspoons has come out full on sceptic, even though in the long run his firm is likely to benefit from the demise of smaller pubs.
He has published his monthly magazine online which I downloaded yesterday.

Perhaps someone more skilled than I could post the link for those that missed it.

265136 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #33 of 1931 🔗

👍

265229 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #34 of 1931 🔗

Bloody well done Tim Martin and Wetherspoons. If only more companies would do this, the sheeple would soon be changing herds.

265226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 24, #35 of 1931 🔗

I’ve started reading the magazine – its a collection of articles by Lord Sumption, Prof Yeadon, Prof Gupta and others that have been previously published in different newspapers but are now found in one periodical.

Tim Martin is also a Leaver and you had the spectacle of remainers on Twitter calling for the boycott of his pubs. Won’t be surprised if the lockdown zealots will do the same now.

265463 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #36 of 1931 🔗

Presumably lockdown zealots boycotting Spoons will have little effect since they will be avid shielders.

265637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 6, #37 of 1931 🔗

One hopes so. Many of them I suspect are pub snobs as well and see Spoons as beneath them.

265616 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #38 of 1931 🔗

Lockdown zealots will hardly risk visiting pubs. The good news is that the vaccines will get them first.

265984 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bizzo, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #39 of 1931 🔗

I’m not sure what to think about him as I’m a remainer and sceptic!

265599 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 13, #40 of 1931 🔗

Tim Martin won’t be benefitting that much. The earlier restrictions on pubs has meant that myself and a few of my regular drinking partners had already stopped visiting them, prior to the latest nonsensical lockdown. We are not the only ones who have found hostelries were now rather unpleasant places.

The government just doesn’t like pubs, mainly because people can talk to each other and sensible ideas can spread much quicker than a fake respiratory infection. If pub owners don’t soon start flexing their muscles, most pubs and many hotels will be staying shut permanently. Well done Tim Martin.

265129 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to kh1485, 11, #41 of 1931 🔗

We carry protest signs when we go to our local pub on Friday night. Just in case our globalist puppet governor decides to limit capacity again. Because PROTESTS are ok at 100% capacity 🙄

265162 ▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to kh1485, 14, #42 of 1931 🔗

I am very much of this opinion. If the large chains/breweries refused to close what could they actually do to force them to?

265127 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to karenovirus, 51, #43 of 1931 🔗

This idiocy about „essential“ businesses 😡 . EVERY business is essential to the ones getting their paycheck from it. Every business is essential for the functioning of a normal society. Not THIS dystopian nightmare they’re trying to push.

265222 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 18, #44 of 1931 🔗

Agree. Its been odd how there’s been the lack of push back from pubs and restaurants.

Like I’ve always said, remain open and no restrictions. If fined and harassed, refuse to pay and cry foul. Demand that it go to court.

If they all did this, the police and courts will be tied up not knowing what to do. That should keep them busy for the next 50,000 years.

265223 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 13, #45 of 1931 🔗

” Time pubs and restaurants did the same”
100% agree, if they pushback they’ll win.

265622 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to thinkaboutit, 19, #46 of 1931 🔗

We should all push back, no masks, no tests and absolutely no vaccines.

265294 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to karenovirus, 18, #47 of 1931 🔗

It is as alexandra solzhenitsyn said. They can only do to you what you let them. Problem lies in finding enough people to resist.

266222 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to RyanM, 3, #48 of 1931 🔗

Alexandra? Sister of the writer?

265207 ▶▶ Ben, replying to RyanM, 21, #49 of 1931 🔗

Lockdown and restrictions are in fact one big twisting of the arm by Pharma, the banks and tech industries. ‘Accept indefinite vaccines and immunity passports and we let you go’.. We’re being held hostage

265235 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ben, 1, #50 of 1931 🔗

“Take this planet to Cuba”

265338 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ben, 8, #51 of 1931 🔗

Even if it wasn’t what the spaffing Johnson was planning back in March, that is exactly what he (and his equivalents everywhere) have delivered.

266454 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 4, #52 of 1931 🔗

If you don’t do anything about it then you will become a hostage.

265486 ▶▶ Adam, replying to RyanM, 10, #53 of 1931 🔗

Mine and the British People’s civil liberties are not the plaything of Government and it’s tamed opposition parties in Parliament stop putting up with this Ladies and Gentlemen the population of Great Britain and indeed the world population need to remove their Governments and reinstate accountability

266894 ▶▶ Ben, replying to RyanM, 2, #54 of 1931 🔗

The government has dictated that I can’t meet friends or family, go on a date, meet a romantic partner, dance… I wonder what life is like in North Korea. Is it better?

266895 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 1, #55 of 1931 🔗

Can’t be worse.

266899 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, 2, #56 of 1931 🔗

NK streets always look clean on videos.

265101 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #57 of 1931 🔗

Here’s fun for your socially distanced Christmas, children! Mummies and daddies can join in too, and granny and grandpa if they sit in a different room wearing breathing apparatus.

Each of you children will get a copy of this graph, showing fatal covid infections in England by date. Now, the game is to guess the dates on which lockdowns began and ended! Bonus points for marking the dates face masks were made mandatory, shops or restaurants were closed or allowed to open – anything you can think of! Mark the dates in your favourite colour. Later we’ll show you the graph with the actual dates and find out who’s won! Whoever gets the most points wins a prize – special government dispensation to go outside and play with the traffic! Such fun!

265103 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #58 of 1931 🔗

And here is that original graph with the dates, prepared on the basis of ONS data by Joel Smalley: https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1331184897986338818

The pink “not yet finalized” section at the end is longer than usual, because these are INFECTION dates extrapolated back from death dates. Death usually occurs about 21 days after infection, if I remember rightly.

Nothing the government has done has had the faintest effect on the curve of infections. Smalley also compares the English curve with the Swedish one, and there’s no difference.

265438 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #59 of 1931 🔗

Curves Smurves

265104 Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 38, #60 of 1931 🔗

Working a Night shift in another miserable care home.It’s pointless Im refusing any further testing and letting my mask slip.Nurses are a disgrace and complicit by their silence let’s see how silent they remain when the Vaccine rolls out.

265106 ▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 19, #61 of 1931 🔗

Working conditions currently dictate buying into this shit.Its bit like walking up in a Psych unit and feigning madness just to survive.A few are able to critically think.Though last Sat before I walked out of my shift a young Nurse said to me she can’t wait for the vaccine! I guess that’s Eugenics/Darwinism in action bye bye birdy.

265120 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 18, #62 of 1931 🔗

Stay strong! Well done for refusing tests that remove your basic rights. When you’re going through hell, keep going. We’re all behind you!

265387 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 8, #63 of 1931 🔗

Sadly the majority of nurses are incapable of any kind of independent critical thinking and can only follow orders. It’s the main reason I left the profession as I couldn’t cope with working among people who were inherently stupid. I work in a non nursing role in adult social care where fortunately having a test isn’t mandatory or at least not yet.

265700 ▶▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to fiery, 17, #64 of 1931 🔗

Problem is I’m a Psychiatric Nurse of 33 years and have a low tolerance for bullshit.When I started out I was intimidated by my colleagues knowledge and intelligence.Today most Nurses are as thick and mostly untasty as a Richmond sausage.

265138 ▶▶ annie, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 17, #65 of 1931 🔗

Wonderful to know there is one of us working in the First Circle of Hell. You are precious! Stick with it, we’re rootin’ for you.

265110 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 70, #66 of 1931 🔗

As an over-50 (age as well as IQ-wise) there’s no way I ma taking the jab so I guess a lot of people are going to be angry at me for preventing a return to normality. Both they and Boris can f*** off.

265117 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 37, #67 of 1931 🔗

“My immune system and yours are 99.7% effective against covid, why would you risk that against an untested vaccine that only claims 90% and which, in the case of Pfizer, doesn’t even prevent infection ?” Works well with waverers.

265141 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #68 of 1931 🔗

Correction. From main text, seems the Moderna ‘vaccine’ does not prevent infection either.

265146 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 24, #69 of 1931 🔗

They are already spinning the Vaccine as a civic duty to protect others.Why does that sound familiar?

266711 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 1, #70 of 1931 🔗

So the vaccinated get the infection but don’t suffer too much so they can still wander around acting as super spreaders. Now that sounds like a plan.

265336 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Londo Mollari, 19, #71 of 1931 🔗

I shall just tell people I’ve had it. I’m not wasting my energy on arguing. I will tell them that I was very unwell and had to go to hospital and nearly died, though, as my reaction to it was so bad and that I’m still suffering from side effects. That might make them think a bit.

265378 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #72 of 1931 🔗

I will also be refusing the vaccine. I guess I’ll receive an invitation by letter from my GPs surgery. Will be returning any correspondence unopened and marked No Longer At This Address. I wish there was a way of de registering with my GP as I’m sick if all the health screening invitations you receive once you reach a certain age.

265600 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #73 of 1931 🔗

I’ve just had a letter telling me to get my seasonal flu injection. If this incarceration is meant to stop a similar flu, what is the point?

266350 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Graham3, 5, #74 of 1931 🔗

Me too! And I’m not yet bloody 40!

266518 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #75 of 1931 🔗

Vaccines were always coming and that was clear from very early on. These liability free vaccines will at best be simply dangerous, but much more rational to assume that they will be intentionally genocidal.

265112 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #76 of 1931 🔗

The police have had many small victories during the last nine months

Egged on by politicised senior officers they have beaten up and detained across the land

As Bomber Harris once opined ‘ They have sown the wind……….. ‘

265137 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 13, #77 of 1931 🔗

Most sceptic protesters are dressed as though they are taking the dog for a walk.

Easy pickings for the police compared to tackling the armoured and helmeted louts from XR and the like.

265178 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Cecil B, 22, #78 of 1931 🔗

If it had been BLM the Police would have either ran away or gone down on one knee like the cowards they are. If it had of been XR they would have had a good old dance. How those officers can look at themselves in the mirror is anyone’s guess. Totalitarian sscum.

266458 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to FlynnQuill, #79 of 1931 🔗

I love the way that David Lister of Red Dwarf fame says scum.

265183 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, 17, #80 of 1931 🔗

Your are right, Bomber Harris did quote that, but the original quotation is from the prophet Hosea:

For they sow the wind,
and they shall reap the whirlwind. Hos 8:7

<Pedant alert.>

265239 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, 6, #81 of 1931 🔗

and ignored by MSM and BBC . However last night Newsnight featured the sad case of a lady pulled from a car and assaulted by police . Spot the difference and try and guess the reason for the BBC interest

265304 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mjr, 3, #82 of 1931 🔗

I think it’s also because is was witnessed by a LS MP who then went into the house demanding answers from the chancellor and Gestapo.

265403 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #83 of 1931 🔗

that’s not the one i was referencing .. i dont think the lady lockdown protester got that much MSM exposure anyway. The lady featured on Newsnight and previously on the BBC web was not lockdown related and was a lady of colour.

265475 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 2, #84 of 1931 🔗

so the case that occured just outside Parliament, witnessed by dozens of passersby, all over numerous YouTube channels and brought to the attention of the Deputy Speaker is ignored ?

266633 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Cecil B, 3, #85 of 1931 🔗

I work for the police as a civilian and in theory the police should be impartial upholders of the law. The danger is governments can use the police as a weapon against people they don’t like and it is felt Thatcher did this with the miners. I don’t like the way the government has used the police as a personal gestapo against anti lockdown protests. If the police continue to be used this way I see things turning ugly and they could be retaliation against the police. On youtube comments people have talked about finding out where officers live and teaching them a lesson. Someone pointed out the killing of PC Keith Blackelock in the 1980s and if things carry on like this, something similar could happen again. I feel a powder keg is being created. The government takes a hands off policing approach to protests which involve groups the government supports or is indifferent to such as BLM or ER but heavy handed policing when it comes to groups the government opposes which is going to create resentment. The police might get a more robust response at protests in future if they attack and arrest protestors.

265115 Chris John, replying to Chris John, 13, #86 of 1931 🔗

Hmmm, has anyone given some thought on a class action suit against the government if they plan to lock us down until March 2021? Maybe bases on the QALY, I think it’s £35000? For every single person?

265186 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Chris John, 4, #87 of 1931 🔗

Yes, I have pondered that Chris, but am I right in saying that you can’t have a class action in the UK? Maybe a private criminal prosecution would work. I think if you can establish one successful case then others could bring their own suits under the new caselaw. But I am not a lawyer and others may have a clearer understanding.

265310 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Basileus, 3, #88 of 1931 🔗

Perhaps using civil law? Restraint of trade?

265862 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Chris John, 4, #89 of 1931 🔗

I would gladly contribute to any fund to take action against the Govt.

265116 Laurence, 6, #90 of 1931 🔗

We now possibly have a vaccine, so everything will be OK. Everyone will take it apart from a few anti-vaxxers and ‘deniers’ like we see on these pages.

But you must remember that this virus is a danger without parallel which the governments of the world have seen fit to shut down the economies and normal social interaction, and even stop children going to school, to avoid. 39% of the British public know that over 3 million people have died here alone. This vaccine will only be 70/90/95% effective. Take the best figure, that means that 1 in 20 (or so we are told ) can still die of COVID – that’s another 3 million people in the UK (or as many see it up to 10 million). The government are responsible for all those deaths from this nasty virus – they let everybody out but there are still people dying after a positive test within 28 days – the lockdown sceptic ‘extremists’ will say that this is just viral material from the vaccines but we know these people are ‘deniers’ and the government this time are listening to them. They even tried to decrease the sensitivity of the testing to stop people who have had the vaccine testing positive.

Just another possibility. The delusions may not die so easily.

265118 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 33, #91 of 1931 🔗

Hugging will be LEGAL!?!?!
This is insane.
Hugging is NEVER illegal.

HUGGING IS A HUMAN RIGHT!
HUGGING IS HUMAN

Suggesting ministers decide whether you can hug someone is preposterous. Barbaric!

I
EMRACE
THE
HUMAN
RACE!

Write that all over town.

265122 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 25, #92 of 1931 🔗

About a week ago on the Today Programme the presenter and The Expert were discussing appropriate behaviour at a multigenerational Xmas lunch.
Spacing out furniture to aid social distancing and open windows for ventilation were agreed.

The conversation then went down the route of banning singing, . . . talking loudly . . .blazing rows . . . before they realised how ridiculous they sounded.

265124 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to karenovirus, 32, #93 of 1931 🔗

The whole thing is ridiculous. And dangerous. It is a vital part of normal human interaction that viruses are passed around the population to ensure that the viruses weaken and our immune systems strengthen. Everyone gets colds and fluid over Christmas. It’s vital that we do. This madness is literally going to kill people.

265236 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 6, #94 of 1931 🔗

Open windows for ventilation is now becoming the cause of school children catching colds. Can you imagine what that will do to elderly people especially?

And not to mention the food going cold quickly to the point that it could be inedible?

265249 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #95 of 1931 🔗

Utter misery to be terribly cold for extended periods of time. Impossible to function properly. Don’t forget colds are from viruses though- you don’t get them from draughts or being cold.

265307 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #96 of 1931 🔗

I used to have a colleague who kept windows open for “fresh air” or so she says. One of the windows was directly next to me and as a result of her mania, I developed a cold which I couldn’t shift for 6 months.

265317 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #97 of 1931 🔗

Why open the window? Isn’t that where the virus is? That’s surely why we have been locked inside our safe houses for a year? Oh no don’t tell me! The virus will keep the spirit of christmas in its heart and will be on a break. Bah Humbug!!

266459 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #98 of 1931 🔗

Hanging out with Scrooge.

265389 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #99 of 1931 🔗

She was almost certainly menopausal, was permanently hot and suffered from intense claustrophobia. I did that in the office too and have every sympathy with her. All public buildings are far too hot.
Fortunately for me, and my colleagues, I am now working in my own well ventilated and underheated home!

265672 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #100 of 1931 🔗

That’s possible but she should have asked us if we’re OK with opening the windows then closing them afterwards. It wasn’t just me who complained about it.

265344 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #101 of 1931 🔗

I am supposed to do this. I generally don’t, because the noise from the playground is worse than the cold (break times are taken in shifts because of bubbles, which means they last 2-3x as long). At least modern schools have those ‘safety’ windows that hardly open; never thought I’d be glad of that.

265466 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 3, #102 of 1931 🔗

I can’t do transparencies in my graphics package very well, it’s a bit old, so can anybody do a covid secure xmass lunch image like in the style of the Bisto Family with all the participants wearing space bubble helmets?

The Bubble Heads

That would be funny.

265139 ▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #103 of 1931 🔗

I’m going to, but I’m not sure how many members of the human race still linger amongst the zombies.

265455 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #104 of 1931 🔗

Except spell it with a B 🙂

265480 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #105 of 1931 🔗

Well said and my thoughts exactly.
Bloody deplorable.

265119 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #106 of 1931 🔗

Mandy Dick says after the pandemic is over he intends to use track an trace to combat athletes foot

265156 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 10, #107 of 1931 🔗

Athletes are particularly vulnerable to having feet, and should self-isolate until the end of Time.

265171 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 1, #108 of 1931 🔗

AND WHAT ABOUT ATHLETE’S FOOT???

266548 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., #109 of 1931 🔗

or athletes’ foot?

265121 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 7, #110 of 1931 🔗

I kind of have a crush on that hairdresser. How many times have I told you guys that you need to get some knights together, drag johnson (et. al.) Up a mountain, and make ’em sign another magna carta!

265234 ▶▶ LS99, replying to RyanM, 8, #111 of 1931 🔗

She’s a Yorkshire woman – you don’t mess with them! Good for her. It takes real guts in the face of such hefty fines.

265283 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to RyanM, 2, #112 of 1931 🔗

She’s my new girlcrush

265125 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 29, #113 of 1931 🔗

The penny dropping yet?

This has nothing to do with C19 anymore.

Much like how the ‘war on…drugs/crime/terrorism’ was there to ‘save us’ C19 will be used in the same way and just like the other ‘wars’ the only thing that will be accomplished is a massive reduction in our God given freedoms and liberties…oh and a hefty tax bill for it, not to mention regular untested ‘vaccines’ that will do nothing to end C19 as it is already here to stay.

The actions of these governments and their supporters are literally stealing from and killing us with their actions.

265193 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheBigman, 13, #114 of 1931 🔗

War on drugs, war on terror, war on covid, war on humanity. Big business for some.

265302 ▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to TheBigman, 9, #115 of 1931 🔗

100% agree with you. It never did. CV-19 is the Trojan horse. IMO all these “measures” are just a series of tactics that they will keep rolling out to gradually create totalitarianism. Some might meet resistance but each time they get away with it, they will carry on. it will kill people, bankrupt others and allow them to control those that are left. And the scary thing is that so many people no only don’t realise it, but some even come out in support of it, thinking that the government are trying to save lives. See my post at about 9am UK time for a rather incoherent theory on the whole thing

265329 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TheBigman, 9, #116 of 1931 🔗

Did you see the James Delingpole interview with Patrick Wood. Holy crap, I did not realise how deep this shit goes. Frightening

265331 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, #117 of 1931 🔗

Sorry I don’t know how to put a link in

265340 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #118 of 1931 🔗

i assume you mean this one from yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtuIWPl7of0

265487 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mjr, 1, #119 of 1931 🔗

well worth a watch.

265565 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #120 of 1931 🔗

Thanks, saved for later.

266563 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mjr, 1, #121 of 1931 🔗

If a Covid Marshall accosts you ask him or her for their legal qualifications. If they are not then tell you can tell them that they have committed a criminal offense and could face up to seven years in prison.
This from Suzy G and Mark Windows, 11/19/2020 on the Republic Broadcasting Network. Beware, there are four or more ad breaks and each one lasts about 4 minutes. Adjust according to taste.

265126 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #122 of 1931 🔗

To every objection they simper back the same dimwitted rejoinder, which in their sentimentalized stupor they believe unanswerable, justifying everything and rendering any other concern callous: “People have died.”

It’s not unanswerable.

265131 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #123 of 1931 🔗

Yes it is! PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS DIED! They die every day. Especially people who are in extremely poor health. The vast majority of those people would have died from their conditions after catching ANY cold or flu virus. People who have seemed healthy have also died of complications from colds and flus because they weren’t actually as healthy as they seemed.

There is NO VACCINE AGAINST DEATH!

265133 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #124 of 1931 🔗

I said it’s not unanswerable. And the link offers one suggestion for a pithy answer.

265147 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #125 of 1931 🔗

Oh I like that!! (You should edit and tell people to click on link for answer… I didn’t see link)

266462 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #126 of 1931 🔗

But they’re working on it.

265145 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #127 of 1931 🔗

Just as well really as There were 640,370 live births in England and Wales in 2019 , got to make room for them somehow!

265341 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #128 of 1931 🔗

Just saw the reply to the government debate on allowing golf. Same old shit. No scientific reason, just a “we all need to make sacrifices” bullshit!! Tell me mr handjob, what sacrifices have you made? Still on full pay, full pension and able to work every day. Then some cobblers about mixing. Have they ever played golf? I have played a round of golf and not been within 20 yards of someone fir four hours. It’s like Mike Graham said, I can make love to my wife, but I cant play her at tennis.

265759 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #129 of 1931 🔗

I’ve had that idiotic response more times than I can count. It always comes from people (sheeple) who are unwilling to confront the fact of their own mortality. Accepting, and dealing with, this fact is a fundamental pillar of being an adult. Without that someone is, in reality, just a child. And one ruled by fear at that. They seem to think their fear will keep the big guy with the scythe from one day tapping them on the shoulder and telling them it’s time for a permanent career change. They’re in for a rude awakening.

I’ve also had an idiot colleague bleat “But too many people have already died before their time!”. I had to point out another inconvenient, and scary, fact: no one has ‘a time’. The three Fates are not sitting in a cave somewhere spinning, measuring and cutting the threads of our lives. We are mortal beings in a chaotic universe prone to all manner of morbidities and random events. We die when we die and that’s it. And until that moment comes I’ll live my life to its fullest. And the bloody government be damned.

265128 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 48, #130 of 1931 🔗

We have to go to war on masks. Replace that hideous slogan “wearing is caring” with the more accurate

WEARING IS SCARING

and

WEARING IS SCARRING

SHOW YOUR FACE TO SAVE THE HUMAN RACE!

Masks are EXTREMELY dangerous!

We need urgent action on this. An open letter by more than 4700 psychologists has outlined the dangers.

On masks they say:

Some authors state that up to 93% of all human communication is non-verbal, which is key in relation to learning and interacting, and to people who are deaf or hard of hearing who depend on lip-reading. Impairing non-verbal communication by blocking facial expressions may have short and long-term implications for children’s developmental milestones, emotion regulation and the development of secure relationships – moderated by the amount of more typical interaction a child gets in absence of mask wearing/distancing. The distressing effects of only two minutes of interaction with an expressionless face (not dissimilar to a masked face) on an infant, can be seen in the video footage of the well-known still-face experiment.

Covering of the face can lead to a sense of anonymity and social isolation, to changes in social dynamics, such as distrust and aggression38, and to reduced awareness of others’ needs, for example, not being able to see signs of distress. Enforced mask wearing has also created division (e.g. labelling of people as altruistic vs selfish) and discrimination (e.g. restricted access to those who are exempt) within society.

Please share widely!

https://www.psychologycounts.com/

265140 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 26, #131 of 1931 🔗

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020
Have a 6 month review clause and must come before parliament in January for re-consideration. Like much of the dubious lock-down rules they are a statutory instrument made under the Public Health Acr 1984. It would need a lawyer to comment fully on this but to my mind this Act was never intended to be used in this way. It appears to be more to do possibly detaining someone who has a serious infection e.g. TB and is in danger of spreading it to others.
Even then to use this Act you need to demonstrate a serious and imminent threat, even at the present time I do not feel there is sufficient evidence of a serious and imminent threat but I rather suspect the ‘Tiers Lockdown’ stuff will get passed this week. But maybe there is time to clarify the legal position and really push to prevent the renewal of the face mask regs when they come up for review in January.
The fact that so few prosecutions have happened under these regs is anotherr reason to ask why they are needed at all. Just make it a matter for official guidance and freedom of individual choice.

265151 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #132 of 1931 🔗

You should look up House of Lords Constitution Committee online and click on “implications of restrictions made during covid 19” (or words to that effect). There are two televised sessions. FASCINATING watching. Almost all strongly agree that Public Health Act was WRONG way to make new legislation. Should have used Civil Contingencies Act. And the only reason they can think of as to WHY government used PHA and not CCA is that the CCA is subject to closer parliamentary scrutiny, more vulnerable to judicial review and HAS to be renewed every 30 days.

There was a SAFER way to do this. Ask why they didn’t choose that way? Because No. 1 priority for these people is ALWAYS protect their own backs. They don’t care how many lives they destroy in the process.

265155 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #133 of 1931 🔗

Only cretins could possibly think they are needed. Many outwardly compliant wearers know they aren’t, except to save you from a fine. That’s obvious from the way they snatch them off and stuff thrm in their pockets the instant they come out of a shop.
The Pope, by the way, is a cretin.This condition now appears to be essential for those in high ecclesiastical office.

265163 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 5, #134 of 1931 🔗

I am not a lawyer and have struggled to fathom the legal side of all this as far as England is concerned and have no idea how the Welsh regs are drafted? Are the Welsh regs made under a Welsh version of the Public Health Act?
My younger daughter lives in Cardiff (works for the ONS) and we need to sort out visits as soon a Uberfuhrer Johnsons lockdown changes on the 2nd. We live in N Devon and I was planning a boat people type trip across the Bristol; Channel but my wife feels there are a few drawbacks to this scheme!

265177 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #135 of 1931 🔗

The Welsh regs are similar to the English ones except that they are very cagey about what constitutes an exemption. Welsh gov. online has the details. I can’t bear to look at them again.
I’ve never been challenged, except by the foul rector of the Covidian church that I no longer frequent.
The Disability Discrimination Act and other legislation protecting those with hidden disabilities apply in full.

266734 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, #136 of 1931 🔗

Never worn a mask and as yet have never been challenged.

265185 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #137 of 1931 🔗

Annie, I feel the same. The welsh exemption wording is HORRIFIC. I had to close the page. I would not feel safe visiting Wales now. I would know how to claim exemption, you still – by law – only have to say “I have a reasonable excuse”, but who knows what powers police THINK they have!

266740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #138 of 1931 🔗

You don’t have to say anything to anybody.

265263 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #139 of 1931 🔗

You may recall that after a couple of months it was announced that all prosecutions under lockdown regs had been cancelled because
‘Arrests had been made under regs only applicable in Wales’.
The idea that several different Police forces would make the same simple mistake is inconceivable, more likely prosecutors realised the prosecution were unlawful.

265220 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #140 of 1931 🔗

The 1984 Act was intended to be used against the like of Typhoid Mary, not to impose regulations on healthy people still less whole populations.

Being ‘unarrested’ is a thing. It happened to me 30 years ago when I was unarrested into the care of my then flatmate following an alcoholic incident, probably initially arrested for my own safety.

I can only think that the duty Sergeant in the Liverpool cases decided the protesters actions were not arrestable.

266726 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 1, #141 of 1931 🔗

Just remember that being “unarrested” is not legally possible. If you are released, you have been arrested. If the reason for the arrest was inadequate, then the arrest was unlawful and therefore you can take out a civil action against the filth.

There is no such thing as de-arresting someone. You were either lawfully or unlawfully arrested. Without a lawful arrest, there is a potential penalty; you must make a civil claim. Hurt them where it counts. They cannot get out of being sued by “dearresting” someone. This is a con, designed to make people think that they can’t sue if they are “dearrested”.

265265 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #142 of 1931 🔗

We could do with someone in the legal profession taking this mask business up. A crowd fund or similar would easily cover the cost

265218 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #143 of 1931 🔗

There needs to be a study to check the safety of wearing face masks for long periods. Another Danish study

I don’t believe they’re safe when worn for long periods. How can it be healthy to reduce oxygen intake and to rebreathe expelled breath?

I can’t believe such an important question is not being asked by those who claim to care about health

265248 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 9, #144 of 1931 🔗

I remember my dentist saying that their effectivity is only for around 10 minutes and when my colleagues were first given disposable masks they were told to change them every 4 hours but no-one did.

During one of our briefings as well I did ask if there was a risk assessment on wearing them but I was told by management that they didn’t know.

265282 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Ben, 6, #145 of 1931 🔗

Agreed. The massive flaw in the Danish study was them being given endless supplies of new masks. As if that’s what everyone does.

Could we find x people (probably have to be in Sweden) who have never worn a mask. Then another x people who have done so throughout. Both sign to confirm this and that they have gone about their normal business in an urban area. Then a full medical on each.

265405 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Ben, 8, #146 of 1931 🔗

Can’t remember the exact paper, but it is only a matter of a few minutes or less that your O2 and CO2 levels are compromised.

265656 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, 2, #147 of 1931 🔗

I posted of a neighbour with COPD.
His clinician Saturated (maximised) his oxygen/blood levels.
95-100 is the usual range.
90 is getting on first dysphoria(?).
His was 90 when maximised.

The clinician told him to wear a mask, under supervision, for ten minutes after which it was down to 85.

266581 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 2, #148 of 1931 🔗

My friend is 83 with COPD.
Before I was able to tell her that she was mask exempt, she’d thought she had to wear one when she went out. Both times she did, she ended up in hospital.

266134 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nsklent, 4, #149 of 1931 🔗

Indeed CO2 levels decrease, your body adjust but that leads to brain damage – massive increase in dementia in the future. If children wear that for longe periods of time, the damage to the brain will result in them never being able to reach full potential PLUS all the damage to their immune system, organs etc

266658 ▶▶▶ Hairy Bob, replying to Ben, 2, #150 of 1931 🔗

The first place masks were compulsory was in shops. Virtually everybody in shops now muzzles up. Yet despite that,supermarkets are the greatest single source of transmission. Go figure, as they say.

266752 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 1, #151 of 1931 🔗

Mask wearing does not reduce the transmission of airborne respiratory infections and that is the proper science. The paid for pro mask “science” that has surfaced from the bottom of the barrel since last March is science of the junk variety.

265269 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #152 of 1931 🔗

Are there any good posters regarding masks? Too many wearing in my locality and people are getting used to them..

265332 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Suzyv, 10, #153 of 1931 🔗

I would print out the masks section of the Psychology Counts letter (signed by 4700 psychologists):

https://www.psychologycounts.com/

Also… don’t look at people in masks. Look to the side and say, “Sorry, I can’t look directly at you as I find the sight of a masked face too disturbing.”

Putting children in masks is child abuse. Covering their faces is criminal. Who will stand up for their rights. They are victims of a disgusting political game.

266351 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #154 of 1931 🔗

When bemuzzled people walk by me on the pavement away from shopping and other ‘compulsory’ areas, I just stare right at the muzzle until they’ve completely gone past.

Sometimes extra action is deserved. Someone pointedly muzzled up when they were about 10 feet ahead of me today which annoyed me enough to pipe up with “You know, that won’t actually do you any good” as they sheepishly shuffled past

265485 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Suzyv, 13, #155 of 1931 🔗

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265927 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 7, #156 of 1931 🔗

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266135 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, #157 of 1931 🔗

This one is pro mask

266455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 2, #158 of 1931 🔗

It is ? I thought it was calling people who wear them clowns.

266588 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #159 of 1931 🔗

Look again!

266015 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to JohnB, 1, #160 of 1931 🔗

I love this.

266647 ▶▶▶▶ Hairy Bob, replying to JohnB, 1, #161 of 1931 🔗

Brilliant!

265779 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #162 of 1931 🔗

Here’s a fun little game I’d recommend to all fellow sceptics: next time you’re in a shop (sans mask, as I’m sure you are) and some masked shop assistant starts talking to you, ask them to remove their ‘face covering’ as you’re hard of hearing and need to be able to lip read. It’s a reasonable request and failure to comply will show them to be heartless swine.

The manner in which they comply will tell you much: those who unmask with evident relief are potential converts to our cause; those who react as if you’ve just asked them to throw themselves on a live grenade are lost causes.

266640 ▶▶ Hairy Bob, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #163 of 1931 🔗

Join HANDS, uncover your FACE, share your SPACE

266671 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hairy Bob, #164 of 1931 🔗

I like it!

266729 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #165 of 1931 🔗

Mask wearing is enforced by the wearer.

265130 Tom Blackburn, 5, #166 of 1931 🔗

article39.org.uk: COURT OF APPEAL RULES EDUCATION SECRETARY ACTED UNLAWFULLY IN REMOVING SAFEGUARDS FOR CHILDREN IN CARE.
https://article39.org.uk/2020/11/24/court-of-appeal-rules-education-secretary-acted-unlawfully-in-removing-safeguards-for-children-in-care/

265134 TheBigman, 6, #167 of 1931 🔗

Ever wonder why the vaccine will be here for Easter?
Because it’s a seasonal virus that no one should fear. Unless you are very old in which case this just a new addition.

Please watch the short excerpt.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cZZ6HK92REM

265142 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 42, #168 of 1931 🔗

“Why in Britain do we think it’s acceptable to soldier on and go into work if you have flu symptoms or a runny nose, thus making your colleagues ill? I think that’s something that is going to have to change.”

OK, well, on the one hand, I agree with that. On the other hand, that kind of “soldiering on” martyr complex isn’t confined to Britain. And on a third hand, a runny nose isn’t a covid symptom, you absolute fucking arsewipe.

265144 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 24, #169 of 1931 🔗

No, but Wancock wants people to be mass tested for the common cold for ever, to keep.us all safe.

265149 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 20, #170 of 1931 🔗

I do wonder how I have managed to get to my age without being kept ‘safe’ by politicians.

265190 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, 7, #171 of 1931 🔗

Doesn’t matter if we are all working at home or have lost jobs.

266283 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to annie, 5, #172 of 1931 🔗

I think they have just discovered that testing is a goldmine. So the more, the merrier.

265167 ▶▶ Steve, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 29, #173 of 1931 🔗

A lot of people can’t afford not to soldier on. Anyone self employed or on zero hour contracts for example. No sick pay at all for them.

For me if I don’t go in to work would mean a whole shift potentially not being covered and a lot of groceries not getting delivered. Perhaps one of the other drivers could cover the shift but no one would be happy if it was happening all the time because someone had a sniffle…

265196 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Steve, 20, #174 of 1931 🔗

In Hancock’s mini-world, people who work go to offices to work. He doesn’t understand about the rest, the greater part of the economy. I tend to agree with him on the office side, people who used to come to work looking like death but being martyrs were kind of irritating, especially when they gave their germs to everyone else. But he has no conception of how most people carry out their day to day jobs.

265354 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to maggie may, 12, #175 of 1931 🔗

But in the real world if you take time off for the flu you would be told about your attendance and given a disciplinary warning letter.

265375 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stuart Barker, replying to Spikedee1, 8, #176 of 1931 🔗

In the real world if you have flu chances are you wouldn’t be able to get out of bed far enough to even think about going to work.

If you have actually (and more likely) got a cold then as far as I am concerned you should be free to go to work if you feel well enough, but you shouldn’t if you don’t. The notion that it is of any significant consequence whether other people catch it from you or not is absurd.

265399 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #177 of 1931 🔗

Including if you work for the government.

265557 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #178 of 1931 🔗

I think that I would change employer if that happened to me. Unless your attendance was already poor time off for illness does not justify a written warning or even a verbal warning.

265300 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #179 of 1931 🔗

Prior to people being able to work at home because the technology did not exist, used to have a colleague who would be off at the slightest . Used to really rile the rest of us who had to cover . So there is a limit .

265551 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #180 of 1931 🔗

Because sometimes you just have to keep buggering on for a variety of reasons. As much as I dislike colleagues coming into work with “the sniffles” and this situation not being helped by modern open plan offices with communal HVAC not everyone catches everything going.

I can well remember my son who was in hospital being treated for pneumonia contracted Infulenza H1N1 as a hospital acquired infection almost at the point that he had recovered from pneumonia which prolonged his stay in hospital.

What was interesting was that either my wife or I and sometimes both of us were with him 24 hours a day. My wife caught the flu and I made her go home to recover while I was completely symptom free of it.

Other than the fact that I must have had something similar before I can’t explain why my wife got ill and I didn’t.

265143 annie, replying to annie, 8, #181 of 1931 🔗

The Fascist murderers have responded to a cancer care petition:

“The NHS is working to restore cancer services as quickly as possible. Cancer Alliances have been allocated £153m to continue delivering treatment in a Covid safe way.”

Now, how much did they say they were allocating to the Moonshot?

If you like bullshit, you can enjoy the full monty here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/552734?reveal_response=yes

265148 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 26, #182 of 1931 🔗

And that’s meant to be solace to someone whose cancer is now so far progressed – owing to the absence of diagnosis/treatment – that they are condemned to a death sentence. I have no words to articulate my blistering contempt for these people.

265154 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 24, #183 of 1931 🔗

Yes.

Sentenced to an agonising death to keep bedwetting zombies safe from Covid.
Murdering bastards.

265409 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to annie, -1, #184 of 1931 🔗

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I think talk of ‘bedwetting zombies’ and the like is, at best, ‘unhelpful’.

265494 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hoppity, 3, #185 of 1931 🔗

When this was discussed a while ago, people thought Toby et al above the line should desist. But that those of us commenting btl were ok.

No rational person seeks or rejects ‘help’ because of one poster’s choice of phrase.

266139 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to JohnB, 1, #186 of 1931 🔗

Thanks for the lesson in semantics. I chose the word ‘unhelpful’ as I thought it the kindest way of getting at what I was getting at, not because I don’t know about the meaning and usage of the word ‘help’. You mention reason (as in ‘rational’), and you also talk in terms of ‘us commenting btl’. Well, maybe part of my problem is that I think a lot of people on here are no longer being rational or reasonable in what they say/write. And (also) that LS has become somewhat cliquey (with someone like me, who dips in and out of LS as and when she has a few mins, entirely unaware of what “people thought” about referring to others as ‘bedwetting zombies’, ‘morons’, etc.).

265776 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hoppity, 1, #187 of 1931 🔗

It helps me.

265251 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 10, #188 of 1931 🔗

Unfortunately for the likes of Wancock, no other illnesses matter now except for Covid. And unfortunately the zombies agree with him.

265988 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 4, #189 of 1931 🔗

Why is the phrase ‘stay safe’ beginning to sound like ‘Heil Hitler’?

You can’t meet friends, family. We’ve cancelled your appointments. You’re not allowed to protest. No breathing fresh air. Every death and bad thing in the world is blamed on selfish people wanting to live their lives. No you can’t purchase those things, sorry. We’re going to force small businesses to collapse. No pubs or cafés – sorry. No one’s allowed in your home. Stop living.. But stay safe!

266566 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 2, #190 of 1931 🔗

We should all be working on how to STAY SAFE from these crazies.

265150 Danny, replying to Danny, 39, #191 of 1931 🔗

So the headline of the DM today is a condemnation by a SAGE scientist of the government xmas plan to allow families to meet.
What really gets me is how SAGE feels so empowered in recent months that any time their “advice” is not taken they now run to the press and essentially whistleblow, in an attempt to force the issue their way.
Surely this latest should be a clear cut case of overstepping a remit and breaching confidentiality. As such, individuals such as this, let alone the whole lot of them, should be fired.

265153 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Danny, 35, #192 of 1931 🔗

The most evil part of the brainwashing was “act as if you’ve got it”. PURE EVIL. People without symptoms DO NOT spread viruses. If you have the herpes virus you cannot give it to someone unless you have an active cold sore. Same with any cold/flu virus. If you are coughing and sneezing, you stay at home. If not, you go out. Common sense! “Asymptomatic case” is an oxymoron!

265794 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #193 of 1931 🔗

Not if your symptoms have been suppressed by the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine thus turning you into asymptomatic carrier if infected.

265160 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Danny, 32, #194 of 1931 🔗

Why do all the SAGE members have such shitty web cams and slow internet connections? Every time they’re seen they’re peering dolefully down at their £300 Chromebook’s webcam, sat in a room full of books.

Do they go to special “How to Stage Your Call with BBC News” classes?

  1. Wear glasses, even if you don’t need them. Paul Pot believed spectacle wearers were intellectuals
  2. Always make sure your Chromebook’s camera is 12 inches below your eye line. Looking down at the camera ensures the viewer is looking up at you. And your nostrils
  3. Order a Billy bookcase from Ikea. Fill it with books. Borrow them from friends and family (quarantine them for 72 hours) if you don’t already have them
  4. Call your internet service provider and downgrade your connection speed
  5. Place your desk with your Chromebook directly under the ceiling light. Make sure the light is on
265166 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark H, 10, #195 of 1931 🔗

And if you’re a published author, always have the cover of your book facing outwards!

265247 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to kh1485, 6, #196 of 1931 🔗

It is quite funny though to see books that are turned to camera, as if we wouldn’t notice the blatant product placement and just say, “gosh that looks impressive/interesting/a great read”.

265366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to LS99, 2, #197 of 1931 🔗

I am unable to work in my profession at the moment.had an idea for a new career. Zoom call consultant.

265611 ▶▶▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to LS99, 7, #198 of 1931 🔗

It’s all just wank virtue signalling. All their fave books are hidden from sight….

266569 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to shorthand, #199 of 1931 🔗

Like Mein Kampf?!

266571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #200 of 1931 🔗

Mao’s little red book.

265189 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark H, 14, #201 of 1931 🔗

It’s the beauty of doing everything ‘virtually’, a free pass to talk nonesense, these people would never normally be given a voice. Virtual meetings and interviews give them a platform, who knows whether they are reading from a script, my bet is that they are and have probably been well briefed beforehand.

All a pantomime.

265215 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Mark H, 4, #202 of 1931 🔗

This hadn’t occurred to me, but you are absolutely right.

265254 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark H, 3, #203 of 1931 🔗

That’s a good point. The Two Ronnies of Doom are guilty of precisely what you’ve said. One of them constantly has the light shining atop his head.

265288 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark H, 3, #204 of 1931 🔗

A bad connection gives you more time to think about what to say and to formulate your answer.

265361 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark H, 4, #205 of 1931 🔗

The books thing is such an obvious thing. Also, a whiteboard with lots of important daily tasks in the background helps to make you look tremendously productive

266657 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Mark H, #206 of 1931 🔗

Paul Pot the singer?!

265224 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Danny, 9, #207 of 1931 🔗

These are not the type of people you would like to spend an afternoon with. I would be certain they are all of a single personality type, and victims of group think. Remember every time they open their mouth in the media it is for the money. More fear = more funding. Nuremberg. That’s the one word that they need to hear. Science without compassion takes you where ?

266574 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Leemc23, 1, #208 of 1931 🔗

Auschwitz.

265368 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Danny, 2, #209 of 1931 🔗

Did the DM challenge their viewpoint, you know, journalism? Or did they let them spout their idiotic bullshit? What happened to advisors advise and the rest of the time STFU!

265514 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Danny, 3, #210 of 1931 🔗

Preferably with a gun.

265152 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #211 of 1931 🔗

Todays author Conor Chaplin tells of the victims of domestic abuse being advised to take Civil Action against their abusers such are the delays in the legal system caused by lockdown.
This allows me to correct the typo error I made yesterday.

Magistrate Courts had a backlog of 500,000 cases in August, this has now been reduced to 490,000.
So it has taken 3 months to knock off just 10,000 such Court cases.

This from BBC R4 The Long View which compared the current situation with the last time the legal system ground to a halt.
1666 after the 1665 Plague and subsequent Great Fire of London.

265504 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 3, #212 of 1931 🔗

Yet they had no problem slapping huge fines on that Yorkshire hairdresser …

265799 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, 1, #213 of 1931 🔗

But will it ever get to Court if she does not pay ?

265157 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 20, #214 of 1931 🔗

Hahaha does anyone believe that the ‘vaccine’ won’t, in any way, be made compulsory by other means?

There is no vaccine certificates as of yet to travel, many will follow Quantas’ lead and want them. This will, hopefully, negatively effect them and the countries they fly between.

My belief is that restaurants etc will also uptake similar requirements and that will spell a death knell for them.

Make sure to punish companies that ‘require’ said certificate. The fight for freedom begins.

265170 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to TheBigman, 18, #215 of 1931 🔗

Someone did make the point yesterday that, if Qantas does enforce vaccination certificates – then they have put themselves in the position that anyone who only has a vaccine because Qantas forced them to (on pain of not letting them fly) could possibly lay themselves open to being sued for any vaccine injuries. That argument, of course, could be taken further – eg any employer that forces a member of staff to have a vaccine on pain of getting sacked if they don’t might also be up for getting sued by a member of staff that has consequent vaccine injuries (cue for unions having to do an about-face on their current attitudes and head off to court and state their member wouldn’t have had the vaccine and resultant injury if their employer hadnt forced them to do so).

265195 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Eliza P., 7, #216 of 1931 🔗

Oh that is a very smart line to take across the board. Seeing as global governments basically indemnified the entire medical industry against malpractice!

265823 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #217 of 1931 🔗

They didn’t indemnify Qantas

265212 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Eliza P., 7, #218 of 1931 🔗

You don’t even have to “have” issues, you can perceive you have and call it stress. Remember the mind can have devastating effects on the body. It’s also a reason why attitude can be a big factor in overcoming disease.

265257 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Eliza P., 5, #219 of 1931 🔗

I think that’s also why Ticketmaster did such a quick U turn and passed the buck onto the individual venues. They’re not only afraid of their revenue plummeting (as many people have contacted them directly or left messages on their social media accounts of their intention to boycott) but also the possibility that they could be taken to court by a ticket holder who has the vaccine to be able to attend a gig but then ends up with bad side effects.

Of course that’s not the end of the matter as the ball is now in the court of individual venues like the O2 but they should be careful about mandating vaccines as a condition of entry as they’re the ones who could be sued instead.

265815 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eliza P., 3, #220 of 1931 🔗

Ha ha, ask your employer for their vaccine risk assessment if they do insist.

265351 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheBigman, 1, #221 of 1931 🔗

The SMEs, or whoever is left, will be bribed to adopt it. They will.

265726 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to TheBigman, 3, #222 of 1931 🔗

I shouldn’t be surprised really but in the comments supporting Qantas on social media, people are talking as if the vaccines will stop transmission of the virus, despite the manufacturers saying it won’t. Effectively, they’re making a Lemsip cocktail mandatory and many people are lapping it up.

265812 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 3, #223 of 1931 🔗

Exactly as I only gave reopened restaurants and gastro pubs 1 chance with QR codes.
If they went contrary to Govt advice and said ‘no QR no entry’ I left and will not be going back, ever.

266579 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TheBigman, #224 of 1931 🔗

Boycott the restos and cafés and hope that the staff rebel against their bosses.

265158 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #225 of 1931 🔗

There has been no report about the age structure in the seasonal wave. But looking to Sweden’s deaths in the current seasonal wave deaths, they seem to be even more skewed to the extreme elderly.
Of the total 6500 deaths so far(about 600 so far in the current seasonal wave)
26% 90 years and older 41% 80-90 years 21% 70-80 years That is a staggering 88 % over 70 and there are still persons comparing this to Spanish flu! (incl. Fauci) Don’t have the figures straight ahead of the April wave but deaths above 90 seemed to have increased. Include.in the definition of a pandemicis should be excess death.There has been no pandemic in Sweden in persons below 70.

265176 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to swedenborg, 15, #226 of 1931 🔗

The ONS stats show that for England & Wales, The first week of November saw 84% of recorded Covid deaths were over 70. So that basically we have frail elderly people dying of a respiratory disease in the winter time, which as I recall is pretty much what happens every winter?

265208 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #227 of 1931 🔗

Add to that, millions of years of influenza being with us and sudddenly it disappears? Okay, that’s totally logical.

The only pandemic I see is Rebranding

265369 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #228 of 1931 🔗

Local BBC news last year and every year: “winter bed crisis, lets interview the Chief Executive… blah blah.. boring”

This year: “We’ve had exclusive access to the ward, here’s some dying people, lots of machines and beds people in masks and how exciting…”

265377 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kf99, 4, #229 of 1931 🔗

Isn’t it funny in August there were no photos of empty wards and nurses doing dance routines on tick rock and asking the question where has the virus gone. My God it’s so hard being a journalist.

265349 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 3, #230 of 1931 🔗

Here in my NHS ward of 300,000 it is 93% over 65. 30% over 80.

They don’t break it down to individual ages.

Ivor Cummins always points out that in Irelands first wave was primarily made up of the very elderly but also, looking at ICU deaths, many were too moribund even to get ICU treatment. Haven’t seen a similar analysis for the UK but it does point to the importance of pre existing conditions, which is 2.1 co morbidities on average

265967 ▶▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #231 of 1931 🔗

ICNARC are the body that report on ICUs and their reports are easy to understand. I read the spring report for Wales and thought: “Oh there you are then, it was never that bad. Now the facts are in, we’ll surely return to normal”.

Still waiting…

265828 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, 1, #232 of 1931 🔗

The dry tinder it missed first time ?

265159 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 73, #233 of 1931 🔗

I am a private tutor. One of my tutees is currently finishing her second period of isolation, having been sent home from school because someone in her ‘bubble’ tested positive. This term she has so far missed four weeks of schooling for this reason and does not receive proper educational provision at home. It’s only her GCSE year though so it’s not really important, is it?

Another tutee has told me how low her friends are feeling. They are telling her they are ‘not okay’. She is struggling with motivation and is becoming tired and unproductive. I don’t know what advice to give her because I am feeling exactly the same way. Doing a small task each day takes a monumental effort. Although I have a keen interest in psychology, I’m not sure about what is happening psychologically here.

I feel the government is so protected in its own bubble that they are now so far removed from how their measures are having a detrimental effect on the ordinary lives of everyday people. It’s time they took a reality check and come to their senses.

I hate to think what the long-term impact on the health of the nation will be.

265161 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Coronamoana, 48, #234 of 1931 🔗

The criminals making these decisions are all middle-aged adults. When you’re 60, one year of your life is one-sixtieth of your total experience, a relatively insignificant span of time. This is why “the years seem to fly by” as you get older. But one year is obviously one twelfth of the total experience of a child of 12, and quite apart from the huge importance of those formative years in education and simply in learning about how to be a human being, taking that much away from them must inevitably have a profound impact. Perhaps the 60-year-old statisticians who think a year of lockdowns a “price worth paying” to be “safe” ought to contemplate a five-year lockdown and see how they like that. Better still, a five-year lockdown should be imposed on the lot of them. At Wormwood Scrubs.

265165 ▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #235 of 1931 🔗

25 years to life imprisonment is more appropriate imo.

Public execution is more to my taste tbh but I understand that’s going too far for many.

265267 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to John Smith, 14, #236 of 1931 🔗

I’m with you. Temporary reinstatement of the death penalty for Wancock, Johnson, Raab, Gove and the whole of SAGE… for starters…

265678 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #237 of 1931 🔗

We can reopen Tower Hill for that purpose.

266453 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John Smith, 1, #238 of 1931 🔗

Northumberland Nomad letting the criminals get away with murder, literally.

265841 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #239 of 1931 🔗

A reason why school holidays and life in general lasts forever for the young is that they are always processing new and interesting things whereas for the elderly it is mostly the same old same old barely worth remembering.

Not like that now for the young with no social or extra curricular activity.

266794 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #240 of 1931 🔗

When I hear someone say the young people are being selfish I really find it hard not to punch them in the face. I find that attitude utterly despicable. These are people who enjoyed their own young lives in the 1960s but seek to ruin the young lives of the present young generation. I am 61 but would never expect the young to emasculate their own lives to save me. If I feel vulnerable (which I don’t in the least), its up to me to look after myself not expect others to do it for me. All this ‘do it for others’ stuff is just pass the sick bag for me.

265173 ▶▶ annie, replying to Coronamoana, 18, #241 of 1931 🔗

I don’t think they care. Tyrants can only tyrannise if they are indifferent to the sufferings of their victims.

I don’t know if it helps, but I think of learning as an end in itself, and I always did, even when beset with exams. It’s a precious gift that can never be lost or taken away.When you teach somebody, you are enriching them. When you learn something, you are being enriched. And the more you learn, the more you are armoured against the mind-control of tyrants, because learning means thinking.

265849 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 6, #242 of 1931 🔗

See the daily quotes Annie, it’s worse because they have deluded themselves into thinking it is all for our own good.

265205 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Coronamoana, 37, #243 of 1931 🔗

My view is that PCR tests are being used as a weapon against healthy asymptomatic people and that self isolation for two weeks is also being used as a weapon of psychological torture. All dressed up as public health policy.

Solitary confinement is normally used as a punishment for prisoners in prisons. Not for innocent people who have no health issues

‘We’re testing healthy people and declaring them unwell whilst refusing to treat actual sick people’

266585 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ben, 2, #244 of 1931 🔗

The UN actually banned solitary confinement as a method of torture. It’s too extreme.

266590 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #245 of 1931 🔗

Well, it didn’t work, did it? Dear U.N., actions speak louder than words.

265210 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Coronamoana, 19, #246 of 1931 🔗

Feeling unmotivated to perform small routine tasks and failing to take enjoyment from things that normally give you pleasure are two classical, mild signs of clinical depression. Try to get help, and above all, remember this site! It’s keeping me going.

265592 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Now More Than Ever, 6, #247 of 1931 🔗

I agree. It’s taken my two hours to get my head space together sufficiently to start work. I can’t be arsed to go out on my bike and still less arsed to complete the component machining for a job that I have going on at home.

266596 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #248 of 1931 🔗

Suzi G – actionspeak.info because actions speak louder than words.

265268 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Coronamoana, 12, #249 of 1931 🔗

It’s criminal what they’re doing to everyone especially children and young people. They have at most 50-70 years to go in this planet and I shudder to think what emotional and mental scars they will be carrying around for all that time.

265287 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Coronamoana, 7, #250 of 1931 🔗

Awful should be shouted from the rooftops “I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE”

I know myself motivation for my own job can be at a real low due to all of this. God help those children

265385 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Coronamoana, 9, #251 of 1931 🔗

I must be very lucky in that very few of the kids I teach exhibit these issues, although there have been hints. I do my best to bring some joy to their lives and give them something that’s going to enrich them against all the crap that they’ve had forced on them. Zero tolerance for the do-gooding wealthy mummies braying for the schools to be shut again.

265863 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 2, #252 of 1931 🔗

That’s great to hear, please do keep it up.

266433 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Coronamoana, 4, #253 of 1931 🔗

Hi Coronamoana, here’s my advice. Don’t get low, get mad.

These young people have a lot of power and leverage but they aren’t using it. They can find like-minded friends and take to social media. They can make short clips and videos and learn a lot of skills while they do so.

Take for example the stupid idea that wind instruments spread the virus, they can get hold of one and make a video of trying to blow out a candle with one.

Art, music mini animations – there are many young people speaking out to give them a role model. Take a look at the video atl today about the great reset. See what Naomi Seibt gets up to … be inspired and learn German at the same time (though she does a lot in English as well)

266623 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rosie, 1, #254 of 1931 🔗

Good advice Rosie.

266787 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Coronamoana, 4, #255 of 1931 🔗

I am also a private tutor…maths mainly A Level I too find many pupils are at home self isolating because someone they dont even know had a positive PCR test. Why are people having tests when they are not ill and also have zero chance of dying from the disease…its profoundly anti social on others…I feel like telling some parents they are utterly stupid and are playing their part in wrecking theirs and other children’s education.

I also agree…pretty much all my pupils look utterly miserable but are so intimated by the ‘dont kill granny’ emotional blackmail that they feel unable to say so.

267034 ▶▶ Fcuk off Boris, replying to Coronamoana, 1, #256 of 1931 🔗

Very important points and well highlighted. Massive problems for these poor kids, it sooooo bad.

265164 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 31, #257 of 1931 🔗

“meaning that relatives will legally be allowed to hug each other”
Absolutely absurd that this is a reality.

265184 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 19, #258 of 1931 🔗

Beat me to it, how can anyone read that and think the statement is perfectly acceptable and you know what there will be people who will follow the rules and not touch another human being or loved one ever again.

265909 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to stefarm, 2, #259 of 1931 🔗

An old English hand signal is an appropriate response

266660 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #260 of 1931 🔗

I could think of a few places to direct the arrows too.

266582 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to stefarm, 2, #261 of 1931 🔗

Hugging is human

A hug is an essential act of love

This is CRAZY TOWN. It’s like HIV phobia on steroids.

Bring Princess Diana back to life. She changed the world by hugging an AIDS patient and not dying!

265859 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #262 of 1931 🔗

Imagine how that would play out in Court, in the unlikely event of it getting there.

265899 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to karenovirus, 3, #263 of 1931 🔗

You are guilty of attempting to hug your mother, I recommend the full penalty of law!
Some people think this is perfectly reasonable, presumably those with no moral compass.

266801 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #264 of 1931 🔗

When are we going to be legally allowed to flame thrower the people who have inflicted the ‘no hugs’ rule on people? Just for the record I hug everyone so stuff it.

265168 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 10, #265 of 1931 🔗

It is missing the point to talk about “antivaxxers”: people who have concerns about these matters are not ideologues, they are people who vaccinated and are aware of risk – and they are being gaslighted. It should be obvious.

265187 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, 4, #266 of 1931 🔗

What will happen if and when people are harmed by these new vaccine products: the government will deny it, those reporting anything will be characterised as “antivaxxers” and safety will be vindicated. This has been going on since the inception of the NHS: if you don’t want to be an “antivaxxer” you don’t say anything, but “vaccine safety” is an artefact of this brutal system – it is about social repression not about science.

265866 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Stone, #267 of 1931 🔗

How long before damaged offspring might appear?

265342 ▶▶ alw, replying to John Stone, 11, #268 of 1931 🔗

We have been hugging family and friends since the end of April and are still alive. We do not need the government to tell us when and who we can hug particularly when consenting adults are involved. No one we know has the virus.

265172 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #269 of 1931 🔗

Another satire video from the featured presenter for your amusement: https://twitter.com/epigwhisp/status/1331105675036901377

265182 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #270 of 1931 🔗

It’s a good one !

265174 cloud6, #271 of 1931 🔗

Welcome to The People’s Republic of Great Britain.

https://conworld.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Britain

An interesting but possible outcome.

265179 thinkaboutit, replying to thinkaboutit, 19, #272 of 1931 🔗

Pushback in New York.

“OUR FREEDOM DOES NOT END WHERE YOUR FEAR BEGINS”

https://youtu.be/xAwbH3__KzU

265191 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #273 of 1931 🔗

Best quote ever!

265194 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #274 of 1931 🔗

Great.

265314 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #275 of 1931 🔗

That’s on my blackboard protest outside my shop right now.

265181 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #276 of 1931 🔗

Destroying children’s lives – severely compromising their physical and mental health forever – because of political war games. Doing it for VOTES. No other reason. It’s vile!

Mandatory masks in welsh schools even outside!!

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/pupils-staff-welsh-secondary-schools-19328640.amp#click=https://t.co/npSvZ7adyq

265203 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #277 of 1931 🔗

Parents should be marching up and down outside with home made banners saying “Let our children breathe”
Use some emotional blackmail on the b*stars.

265522 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #278 of 1931 🔗

Parents shouldn’t even dream of sending their kids to anywhere that mandates masks. Makes them complicit in child abuse.

265947 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to JohnB, 2, #279 of 1931 🔗

I agree in theory but so many parents have no choice, no other option… they have to send their child to school so they can work. It is the government that MUST ban masks on children. Smoking is less dangerous for them ffs!!

266958 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #280 of 1931 🔗

It’s very hard, not easy at all.

Keep job and have your kids abused, or lose job and protect your kids.

265188 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 12, #281 of 1931 🔗

Boris pushes lockdown in all but name

In effect, by putting large swathes of England into tier 3, Boris will get his way with a stricter lockdown. Ofcourse, he is waiting for MPs to nod through his law before announcing this.

Be under no illusions. Boris is personally responsible for pushing as strict a lockdown as he can possibly get away with.

Once that is done, he can announce his secret EU trade deal at the very last minute, to avoid scrutiny in similar fashion to lockdown bills.

British dictatorship has never been so strong.

265200 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to FrankiiB, 4, #282 of 1931 🔗

That’s what he thinks.

265392 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FrankiiB, 4, #283 of 1931 🔗

I heard last night a rumour that doris was going to stick London into tier 3. The reason, so it did not look like he was favouring London over the north to appease the red wall voters. WHAT?!

266607 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #284 of 1931 🔗

Boris is a Fascist.

265192 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 51, #285 of 1931 🔗

I’m looking forward to December 28th. Does this crazy government really think that the genie will go meekly back into the bottle after a week of festivities, hugging and generally being jolly? I don’t think so, especially when people realise that nothing bad has happened to granny.

We started writing our Christmas cards yesterday and I have a confession to make. All those people whom I regard as mindless zombies are getting a card with a load of sheep on it, baa-ing away merrily!

265201 ▶▶ Will, replying to Margaret, 11, #286 of 1931 🔗

That made me smile.

265206 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Margaret, 9, #287 of 1931 🔗

That’s great. Guess you’ll need a lot of those cards.

I made the mistake of hearing a bit of Radio 5 this morning, with Puritanical listeners texting in competing with each other for which of them can have the most joyless Christmas ever. “Protecting the NHS” is back, big time. The sanctimony was off the scale. It’s so depressing.

265209 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Now More Than Ever, 10, #288 of 1931 🔗

I’m looking forward to videos of NHS staff singing Christmas carols.

265214 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 10, #289 of 1931 🔗

Dear God no!!!!!

I think their singing will be worse than their Tik Tok dancing videos.

265228 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #290 of 1931 🔗

It’ll give us all a much needed laugh! Little dance moves to tuneless renditions of ‘away in a manger’.

265323 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 1, #291 of 1931 🔗

Get Simon Cowell and Craig Revel Horwood to judge them too.

265232 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Now More Than Ever, 7, #292 of 1931 🔗

I don’t give a stuff about joyless zombie Christmases.
I shall be joyful.

265324 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 2, #293 of 1931 🔗

Count me in!!!

265949 ▶▶▶▶ DickieA, replying to annie, 4, #294 of 1931 🔗

With most churches closed, how wonderful if would be if sceptics set up “impromptu” public carol singing outdoors across the land on Christmas Eve. Wouldn’t look good if TPTB and the police tried arresting people at such an event.

265211 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 3, #295 of 1931 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣
Great stuff. Unfortunately I’ve not found any cards with sheep on them because they will be appropriate for the people I know who are still asleep. Trouble is I don’t think they’ll get it either.

265230 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 5, #296 of 1931 🔗

Surprised you bother sending messages to the living dead.

265286 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to annie, 5, #297 of 1931 🔗

Oh yes Annie, because it reminds them that we are getting on with our lives as normally as possible and doing what we can to fight against the tyranny, while they are cowering behind their sofas.

265786 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 3, #298 of 1931 🔗

Good point!
We need an LDS card. With a Bob cartoon. Sell it, raise funds.

265398 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to annie, 2, #299 of 1931 🔗

Yes but eventually they will wake up. If I was just watching the BBC I would probably be terrified too?

266614 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Margaret, 2, #300 of 1931 🔗

I recorded baa-ing sheep on my cellphone and played it back this past summer to the pedestrians passing me by. They don’t even know that they are sheep.

265197 paologrigio, replying to paologrigio, 6, #301 of 1931 🔗

I’ve had some engagement with my MP about my concerns. Unfortunately he’s approached our email exchange in an effort to win an argument rather than to debate & understand the concerns. There’s none so blind as those who will not see (or whatever the saying is).
He did say in his latest email that vaccination won’t be mandatory but there will advantages for those who have the vaccine (especially for travel). That would of course be discriminatory and if it meant that one couldn’t travel internationally at all if not vaccinated (as opposed to, say, a quarantine period after travel) then that may be another nail in the coffin of airlines.

265199 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to paologrigio, 12, #302 of 1931 🔗

If it is not mandatory but otherwise restricts your access to services then it is still coercion so not consent. They just want to make it mandatory by the backdoor.

265320 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to paologrigio, 1, #303 of 1931 🔗

Advantages. Nice way of putting it.

265334 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to paologrigio, #304 of 1931 🔗

The international travel is a sticky one. A sovereign country has the right to insist on whatever they like for entry to that country from foreigners. Mandatory or proof of vaccine in international travel is nothing new.

Expect Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States to be especially hot on this one.

265370 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to paologrigio, 3, #305 of 1931 🔗

So, permitting our rightful freedoms we assumed pre March is now considered an ‘advantage’.

265666 ▶▶ claire, replying to paologrigio, 1, #306 of 1931 🔗

But what about the immuno-compromised who cannot (even if they wanted to) have a vaccine? That will be the guilt trip have the vaccine to protect others (like my mask protects YOU!). But if you follow that through, are they admitting that those with illnesses will be punished for not taking a vaccine that may kill them (ignoring the healthy that it could kill for now)…. Sure someone could word this better but you get the gist!

265198 Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 32, #307 of 1931 🔗

I was expecting this to be front page news this morning…no mention of it. Not even here

https://article39.org.uk/2020/11/24/court-of-appeal-rules-education-secretary-acted-unlawfully-in-removing-safeguards-for-children-in-care/

In a judgment given today (24 November), the Court of Appeal has unanimously declared that the Secretary of State for Education, Gavin Williamson, acted unlawfully in failing to consult the Children’s Commissioner for England and other children’s rights organisations before making “substantial and wide-ranging” [79] changes to legal protections

So I think this is the first case where the government was declared as acting unlawfully….Let the flood gates open

265316 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Suburbian, 4, #308 of 1931 🔗

What are the consequences for government acting illegally? Apart from a telling off from Starmer?

265330 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #309 of 1931 🔗

Open to having their arses sued off for every little thing that goes wrong that can be attributed to their actions. Maybe this is one reason why we’re waiting so long for the judgement in the Dolan case…

265454 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #310 of 1931 🔗

It could well be. The German lawyers are saying that governments will face massive legal bills and claims if they win.

They’ve opened a can of worms with their risk taking. If the government are found liable, society still continues to break down. They should pay, however the chaos continues as the sheeple struggle to cope with the cognitive dissonance

265202 Ben, 4, #311 of 1931 🔗

How about saving freedom and life. Or do we only get five days?

265204 Alethea, replying to Alethea, 16, #312 of 1931 🔗

I’m not anti-vaccines.
I am anti-voodoo.

265227 ▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 6, #313 of 1931 🔗

Voodoo nappies, voodoo jabs, snake-oil government.

265242 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Alethea, 5, #314 of 1931 🔗

It really is voodoo. As voodoo relies on the power of suggestion. So often a “curse” manifests itself in a person’s behaviour. Aboriginal and Gypsy curses were thought to do the same.

265408 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 2, #315 of 1931 🔗

Yep, and fear is the key. The more fearful you are the less logical you become. This could change advertising forever. Gillette the best a man can get. Unless he wants to die of a shaving infection caused by his skanky beard!! Dah dah daaaah!

265213 l835, replying to l835, 18, #316 of 1931 🔗

Won’t refusing admission/service etc to someone who refuses a vaccine and therefore doesn’t have a ‘freedom pass’ or ‘health passport’ be contrary to S10 of the Equally Act?

“ Belief means any religious or philosophical belief and a reference to belief includes a reference to a lack of belief.”

265240 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to l835, 5, #317 of 1931 🔗

Yes.

265313 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to l835, 1, #318 of 1931 🔗

They had a test case in Northern Ireland in relation to the idea that a business could refuse to serve gay customers or, specifically in this case, bake a cake with a reference to something they are against for religious reasons.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2017-0020.html

265321 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to l835, 1, #319 of 1931 🔗

It does, but have no idea how they can police this.

265217 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #320 of 1931 🔗

My apologies I have posted about this before but I am still not clear about the legal position on all this lock-down hoo-haa.

  1. Most lockdown regs are Statutory Instruments (SIs) made under the Public Health Act.
  2. Is any infringement of the Public Health Act and its attendant SIs a criminal law or a civil law matter?
  3. Does the Public Health Act facilitate the creation of any arrestable offences? to my mind it does not and you cannot be arrested under the Public Health act, you can just be issued with a summons, the arrestable offence would be if you refuse to provide the information to enable a summons to be issued.
  4. Doe the Public Health Act give the Police any powers of entry? As far as I can see it does not and therefore the Police cannot demand entry to determine who is in your house unless they believe a separate arrestable offence has been committed and the perpetrator is in the house.

I am not a lawyer and would appreciate it if anyone with a better legal knowledge than me could comment on this matter. Thanks

265261 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #321 of 1931 🔗

I’m no lawyer but these are my layperson observations. PHA 1875 was made to stop sex workers from spreading STDs. Women could be imprisoned on the basis of having symptoms in a bid to slow infections (not men though 🤷🏻‍♀️ ).
Therefore it is a basic tenet of the Act that a Police Officer has to have reasonable grounds to suspect you’re infectious (or similar wording). I don’t believe it confers any powers otherwise.

Hence also why any discussion of police heavy handling in the media also features the comment “but he coughed at me Guv!” No coughing and any powers fall away immediately?

265319 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #322 of 1931 🔗

Statutory Instruments are being issued under the CoronaVirus Act (2020), not the Public Health Act (1984). The CV Act draws its authority from the PHE and embellishes it. Somewhat.

Infringements of SI’s comes under criminal law, but criminal matters can also be heard in civil courts (private prosecutions).

PHE does not facilitate arrestable offences, but they are using SI’s under the CV Act to do so. This is VERY open to legal challenge. Grey area.

The police are not granted power of entry under either PHE or CV Act without a warrant. But some SI’s appear to do so. VERY open to legal challenge. Grey area.

265462 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #323 of 1931 🔗

Interesting and yet the regs say for example;
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 3) Regulations 2020

Made

16th July 2020

Laid before Parliament

17th July 2020

Coming into force

at 12.01 a.m. on 18th July 2020

The Secretary of State makes the following Regulations in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 45C(1), (3)(c), (4)(d), 45F(2) and 45P of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984( 1 ).

These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in England.

In accordance with section 45R of that Act the Secretary of State is of the opinion that, by reason of urgency, it is necessary to make this instrument without a draft having been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, each House of Parliament.

They make no written mention of the Coronavirus act. I assume the new tier lockdown stuff coming later this week will have the same sort of preamble? I am sure you are correct but it would be interesting to know how the Coronavirus Act fits into all this?

265536 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #324 of 1931 🔗

Someone posted recently that Welsh plod do have warrantless right of entry.

265766 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Nick Rose, #325 of 1931 🔗

SI’s do not mention the word arrest at all, they refer back to the Public Health Act, which also doe snot mention arrest, that can only be done on a magistrates order following a judgement and failure to adhere to it and is only to get the person to appear. At every stage in the PH Acts proportionality is stressed for the repsone. IE, a contravrention of the act will allow for the contravention to be put right, failing which fines will be issued up to and included a closure of the business ona temporary basis until its put right.
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/31a7c44f-7ae7-44d1-9c56-02478479c860?fbclid=IwAR1dKWLZI14MT93nm7QRrQlN-HDmvuqBViUQqCGiuPBMVATE4bOAIztkPsQ#player-tabs this is what the government is being questioned by leading legal lights. Soon there will be a veritable feast of lawyers chasing the ambulance of COVID.

265225 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 1, #326 of 1931 🔗

Ludicrous article, do go and comment on it if you can.

How Covid passports could help restart international travel (telegraph.co.uk)

265306 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to maggie may, 1, #327 of 1931 🔗

Drip drip drip.

266512 ▶▶ DomW, replying to maggie may, 1, #328 of 1931 🔗

Just confirms that cancelling my subscription was a good call

265231 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 9, #329 of 1931 🔗

It be interesting if the Germans finally overthrew the medical tyranny and then put the politicians and officials on trial in Nuremberg.

265289 ▶▶ richmond, replying to mhcp, #330 of 1931 🔗

It’s not happening just yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coSOxQ0w0Go

265238 Ewan Duffy, 12, #331 of 1931 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/24/bank-notes-pose-low-risk-of-spreading-covid-19

Bank of England concludes cash is safe. Wonder how long before the Tech Elite ban them as fake news.

265241 Christina, 3, #332 of 1931 🔗
265243 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 29, #333 of 1931 🔗

Two weeks ago I got an NHS letter through the post for an appointment at a screening clinic on 30 November. I knew nothing of this. Have never been told I was due to be seen and have no real idea why it was necessary having never has this before. Letter envelope was heavily NHS branded – so much for patient confidentiality.

On Monday another letter appeared. This time a “reminder” envelope heavily adverting the NHS yet again And noting how much a missed appointment will cost. Opened the letter. Same screening. Same perplexed reaction from me.

I called the clinic. “Oh yes this is routine. Did your GP not discuss with you?” I explained I have not seen a GP is 2 years. My last medical test was a blood check that resulted in a nurse appointment check in July. Generally, nothing to worry about. Was the outcome. And I was not expecting anything else.

“Oh right. Maybe you should come in for the screening just in case then”.

Anyway, as tempting as wasting a whole morning of annual leave is, I refused. I asked them to note down that I never asked for this appointment, was told nothing about it and would not attend a Hospital appointment while Covid restrictions are ongoing. Oh And I said I would not comply with mask wearing either, so would not be permitted entry anyway.

How has it come to this that I actually detest the NHS so much I’d rather not waste my time with them for something routine ? I mean everything about it should be positive, but I hate it and I am even pushing back on routine screening…..that’s surely not the point of all this?

265291 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Leemc23, 2, #334 of 1931 🔗

I completely understand the indignation but I wouldn’t avoid preventative healthcare or yourself because you don’t like the mess the NHS has got itself into. I had to force myself to get my regular eye test last week (can also spot cholesterol, diabetes etc.) and am seeing my dentist next week. Both experiences will have been unpleasant with masks and general Covid stupidity, but one has to be pragmatic sometimes.

265407 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Leemc23, 2, #335 of 1931 🔗

They’re covering their backs because they are terrified of missing more cancer cases.

266674 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #336 of 1931 🔗

Indeed. They didn’t care about avoidable cancer deaths earlier in the year until the media got onto it.

265473 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Leemc23, 9, #337 of 1931 🔗

I love that my local GP (who I only joined in Jan), has seen fit to send me two screening reminders since but at no point has asked, checked or even allowed me to consult them on the major physical disability I have that affects my everyday life and that of my OH. Not fit for purpose. This is ass covering of the highest order.

266696 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to VickyA, 2, #338 of 1931 🔗

Don’t they get paid bonuses for routine screenings, like they do for administering jabs?

265244 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 22, #339 of 1931 🔗

I veer between incredulousness at the government’s seeming wilful destruction of the economy and embrace of totalitarian methods, versus fear that the PM really is enacting the WEF’s ‘Great Reset’ – where everything seems to drop into place. Neither option is very palatable (understatement).

What do other people think? If you simply don’t believe the ‘conspiracy theory’, how do you explain the PM’s use of the globalist ‘Build Back Better’ and the casual adoption of Green New Deal causes? I mean, nine years until we ban sales of internal combustion engines is clearly an enormous economy-destroying, freedom-destroying, life-changing policy, apparently dropped into his Twitter feed. This was the man who previously said “Voting Tory will increase your chances of owning a BMW M3”. His every move these days is directly opposed to everything he was elected on, so it really does look as though he has been ‘turned’. Does anyone have a more convincing explanation? I could really do with one..!

I also refer you to this week’s Delingpod.

265271 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #340 of 1931 🔗

There is clearly an agenda, similar to what is being pursued in numerous other countries.

265326 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #341 of 1931 🔗

As you say, many of us veer from one angle to another.

I don’t think the Great Reset and green agenda is fuelling all this as much as some say. Neither is it incompetence. It’s a more complicated set of agendas all coming together and fuelling this madness.
For me it’s just as much an example of ‘Disaster capitalism’ – the state seizes control during extreme events and in this case it happens to be ‘‘killer virus’ that conveniently creates opportunities. Politicians cranked up the fear, and soon wildly overreached their power. Many must have been amazed at how we rolled over! Their ‘solutions’ wreak havoc to our lives but out of the rubble they construct solutions which further drain away our agency and increase their authority.

The politicians and wealthy firms profiting from ‘solutions’ have now become drunk with their own self importance. Mediocre pundits all jump on the gravy train and parrot each other and before their eyes the population complies…. in every country it’s happening simultaneously.

266277 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Marialta, 3, #342 of 1931 🔗

For me that doesn’t quite ring true – but please try to convince me!

Why would a politician who wanted to be liked/remembered/re-elected choose to follow policies that reduced the country to “rubble”? He has been given cover in the form of the GB Declaration. If he was following a normal political strategy, he would be doing everything to get us back to normal. It seems to me that he is cheerfully selling the country – and his sister and kids and parents – into a dystopian nightmare.

If it was a case of the world’s financial system being on the edge of collapse, and the need for a ‘controlled demolition’ then I could have coped with that. The banks collapse, the government guarantees everyone’s savings; we get high inflation that dissipates the imbalances, etc. etc. It would be a brown trousers time for sure, but our very way of life would not be threatened. There would still be pubs to go to, shops to browse in, crowds at sporting events and so on. It wouldn’t be a country reduced to rubble, and nor would we be East Germany.

I can only think he has been given no real alternative: preside over a terrible financial crash where countries that try to go it alone will be punished, or salvage some sort of global, eco-friendly legacy from the rubble that his superiors are demanding he create.

For those few weeks when he supposedly had ‘Covid’, he was clearly on an intensive course of programming …

266522 ▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #343 of 1931 🔗

I think he got the “”hand on the shoulder to join in the reset and couldn’t resist

266334 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Barney McGrew, #344 of 1931 🔗

Watch the video at the bottom of today’s update.

266648 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, #345 of 1931 🔗

Unlike Attila the Hen, the present Prime Minister is not adverse to turning.

265246 Swifty, replying to Swifty, 1, #346 of 1931 🔗

Let’s hope the Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) can get the new AI software they need before the vaccine is deployed, so they can “process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reactions”.

They say it is, and I quote:
Strictly necessary” because “it is not possible to retrofit the MHRA’s legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine.

Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively.

This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health.”

They seem a little concerned don’t you think?
Source:
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML

265725 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Swifty, 1, #347 of 1931 🔗

The link shows that the contract has been awarded to Genpact (UK) Ltd. They have a product called CoraPharmcoVigilence.

265250 stewart, replying to stewart, 6, #348 of 1931 🔗

Matt Hancock:  “I want to have a change in the British way of doing things where “if in doubt, get a test”

He can’t help showing everyone the nasty, little dictator he is.

266678 ▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to stewart, 1, #349 of 1931 🔗

I’ve had flu twice and didn’t need a test to tell me what it is. What planet does Hancock live on?!

266902 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to stewart, #350 of 1931 🔗

He is a repulsive, snide, little fool. A smirk designed to be slapped hard.

265253 Blueboy 47, 2, #351 of 1931 🔗

Many thanks for the ’20 Questions for your MP’. I’ve sent them to mine for a laugh. To see what garbage he’ll send back. As he’s a young, ex-BBC journalist and thus scientifically illiterate my expectations are very low!

265255 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #352 of 1931 🔗

Matt Hancock’s comments on flu like illnesses in general are by far the most considered thing he’s said since this whole debacle started. They at least show that he’s starting to envisage a day when covid will be treated the same as all other respiratory illnesses. Although obviously this new approach still wouldn’t pass NICE guidelines as being cost effective, nor publicly desirable when people cannot even get cancer tests.

However, I do agree that a cultural shift in the UK to prevent people from feeling compelled to work when sick would be an improvement. Currently people face pay being docked, disciplinaries or even redundancy for sickness. Except covid randomly where you get paid to stay at home even if one of your kids looked at someone in the playground with a false positive test!

For me his comments highlight one of the unique features of the NHS compared to my experiences with healthcare overseas.
1. The vast majority of diseases (cold, flu, mumps, chickenpox, Noro, tonsillitis, whooping cough) are treated by GPs on symptoms only.
2. Has anyone out there ever been tested by GP before being diagnosed with these things?! Even the current standard for whether you might need antibiotics for a bacterial rather than viral infection is based on symptoms.
3. Maybe this is because it actually works better than unreliable testing? and/or is cheaper? Sometimes I feel it’s because it’s fruitless e.g I was told after three months there’s no point in me having a test for pertussis bacteria as antibiotics for whooping cough would only have been effective in the first week of infection so it didn’t matter now anyway!
4. My biggest bugbear with this culture above is that people get treated for harmless things and then it’s only when it’s not working do GPs think about investigatory tests. By which point the disease may have progressed to a much more serious condition. We read about these all the time in the media “Docs sent me away with a paracetamol when I had sepsis”.
5. It’s understandable that treatment is tightly withheld in a system of scarce resources but I sometimes feel like the NHS doesn’t want to even test for conditions because they don’t want to actually have to pay to treat you, or deal with the bad publicity of long waiting lists. There’s a lot of hoops to jump through in order to “gatekeep” treatment, and some people just give up. I know I certainly have over the years.
6. Given all this, and the fact that it’s sooo hard to get a GP appointment these days and hospitals have been closed to non-covid, perhaps the NHS offering more faceless testing and self-referrals for all conditions could be the future?

265273 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 20, #353 of 1931 🔗

I’m afraid my take on Hancocks statement is the other way around. He envisages a day when other respiratory illnesses are treated like Covid. In other words, mandatory vaccinations, health passports and the eternal threat of restrictions on liberty.

265297 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Achilles, 3, #354 of 1931 🔗

Indeed. All around health surveillance. One step to little rewards for taking a walk, and taken away for that sneaky cigarette

265256 Stuart, 1, #355 of 1931 🔗

Hindu Kushi’s £4.3 billion jab stimulus is just a slop in the bucket, compared to the near £1 trillion handed to the banks.

265260 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 14, #356 of 1931 🔗

Art 8 Human Rights Act 1988- a right to private and family life. Any overriding of this Act must be lawful legitimate and proportionate (which I think Simon Dolan’s case is about). Given the facts and data which are now perfectly clear, I will be doing what I want before, during and after Xmas.

265277 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Suzyv, 6, #357 of 1931 🔗

I feel totally the same. I love the way you put this so simply and succinctly Suzy. I just need to find plenty of people that share this feeling and want to do the same.

265335 ▶▶ alw, replying to Suzyv, 2, #358 of 1931 🔗

So will we all…once the genie is out of the bottle..

265266 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 28, #359 of 1931 🔗

“No End to Social Distancing Until Over-50s Get Jab”
The slow creep toward mandatory vaccinations.

And thanks for ‘saving’ Christmas, arseholes.

Oh, and fuck you BJ.

Morning 🙂

265279 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #360 of 1931 🔗

Where did you get that quote from? Is this from BJ? I haven’t read ATL in detail so apologies if its there.

265290 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #361 of 1931 🔗

Second article down on this page from the Telegraph. Hancock must be writhing in ecstasy at the very thought.

265550 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #362 of 1931 🔗

Thank you… Appreciate that. There’s going to be some really hatred of the over 50s who don’t vaccinate, whilst the younger generation can feel free to be judgy and woke and unvaccinated! One minute we care about granny, the next minute we hate her. I realise 50 is very young BTW, I am nearly there!

266777 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Country Mumkin, #363 of 1931 🔗

But there will be no way to tell if you have had the vaccine, will there.

265295 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #364 of 1931 🔗

Also in the daily links.

Masks forever. I’d bracelets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IcwLxCo2pM

265345 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #365 of 1931 🔗

I love how they use the word ‘offer’ rather than coerced or forced.

265270 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #366 of 1931 🔗

That there photo above captioned: “ Boris Johnson volunteers to… pretend he’s getting vaccinated”.

How old is it?

A day? a week? a fortnight? a month? Isn’t there something mssing? – or should I say: two things missing?

265376 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Ned of the Hills, #367 of 1931 🔗

Good point.

265272 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 7, #368 of 1931 🔗

I had a dream last night that this is all Dianne Abbott’s fault.

If she had concentrated a little more during maths, she’d never have made such a fool of herself on primetime over numbers which in turn has resulted in the entire Labour Party fearing (thus dodging) ridicule should they rise to the challenge and call out the data.

So, I’d like to apologise on behalf of the nation and urge her to start scouring beneath the rocks in the pool she frequents and find the fucking OPPOSITION.

Apologies for language and shouting the last bit.

265426 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #369 of 1931 🔗

In a bad way if Diane Abbott is the women of your dreams. Watch T2 or Wonder Woman before bedtime

265448 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #370 of 1931 🔗

Rest assured, it was a flaccid dream.

Isn’t Wonder Woman 1984 due sometime soon?

265478 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #371 of 1931 🔗

Yes but might be on HBO if cinemas cant open in time.

265275 crimsonpirate, 5, #372 of 1931 🔗

not so much the Great Reset as the Great Deception when we find out what tier we are going to be living in.

265276 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 45, #373 of 1931 🔗

A vaccine that treats symptoms but doesn’t prevent infection. That’s not a vaccine then is it? That’s paracetamol.

265305 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Achilles, 15, #374 of 1931 🔗

Yup, you nailed it. The money that has been wasted would have been better spent had it been directed at other prophylactics – can dexamethasone with something else work that way as well as ameliorating the cytokine storm, for example, or can the wonder drug, aspirin, do anything with say, Vitamin D and Zinc in combinations? No, silly me, no money for Big Pharma and side lines for the great and good.

265499 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #375 of 1931 🔗

I remember right back at the beginning watching Dolores Cahill with computing forever talking about how to protect the old folk with vitamin D and zinc. It took the government “experts” a further 7 months to discover this. Of course this video was removed from youtube for not being groupthink.

265531 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #376 of 1931 🔗

It’s worse. You don’t take paracetamol in case you get a headache next week.

265414 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Achilles, 10, #377 of 1931 🔗

This is exactly what I can’t get my head around. None of these are actual vaccines. They’re like expensive lemsip, but with added unpleasant side effects. Not a one of them prevents ‘covid’ (whatever that is) or prevents you passing it on.

265441 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Achilles, 4, #378 of 1931 🔗

A glorified lemsip that runs the risk of suffering life long side effects, what’s not to like.

265652 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 5, #379 of 1931 🔗

They’re not paracetamol, lemsip, aspirin, or any other functioning drug. They don’t need them (the jabs) to work

They are stage props prior to the Social Control system.

265278 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #380 of 1931 🔗

So if my in-laws comes down from NI to England on the 21st they are breaking the law…will they be posting police at the ports and airports? Better dust off those reasonable excuses!

265284 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #381 of 1931 🔗

They’ll be no enforcement, at most a rhetorical question of “travelling for work yeah?”

265575 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #382 of 1931 🔗

And nodding with wide eyes as they ask that question.

“You’re exempt from wearing a mask, yes?”

&c.

265281 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 18, #383 of 1931 🔗

It’s so saddening to see how normalised the talk of things like allowing people to hug has become.

I was having a heated argument with a friend last night who always enjoys a good debate. His whole perspective is based on the idea that all of this temporary and we should suck it up.

Then this morning I see this Ivor Cummings vid. The Irish ‘Super Professor’ who is never off the national TV psychologically destroying its viewers with fear, claim masks forever and non removable bracelets for scanning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IcwLxCo2pM

How do people just think “well at least it’s a solution. What’s YOUR plan, all you do is complain?”. That was my friend’s accusation last night. I told him there is a solution and I’ve emailed my MP and local MLA (specifically around PCR) but that because he doesn’t know what PCR is he won’t know what I’m talking about.

He also said I should wear a MAGA hat. I don’t think I’ll be contacting him again.

265285 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #384 of 1931 🔗

I think the bracelets are a good idea. Maybe numbers tattooed on our wrists and little yellow stars sewn into our clothing would also be of benefit.

265293 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to G.Fawkes, 15, #385 of 1931 🔗

Ha. I gave him the stars analogy. He almost screamed “This is not the holocaust”. I replied that was his word not mine. And when they were placing stars on their arms the Jewish people had no idea where things were heading. To them, it was just a star, only temporary. Such atrocities are not telegraphed to the victims.

I finished by aksing him to listen Lord Sumptions speech.

265298 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #386 of 1931 🔗

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?

Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?…

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

265308 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #387 of 1931 🔗

And watch the House of Lords Constitution Committee webcasts.

AND please send him this incredible video and ask him which side of history he thinks his attitude will be:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc

265301 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #388 of 1931 🔗

The incident with your friend shows how much with this crisis people who we know and love have revealed their true selves or what they can be during a crisis.

I don’t think its such a loss if you don’t contact him again.

265431 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #389 of 1931 🔗

I agree. I think at the very least I won’t be entertaining his thrust for a political debate. Surface level from here on.

265691 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #390 of 1931 🔗

Regardless its changed now. Wonder if he’ll realise this.

265425 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #391 of 1931 🔗

I have a Maga hat…I wear it to wind up millennials. I wore it on my holiday to Croatia last year and you could just see people twitching, but nobody has the guts to say anything.

265661 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #392 of 1931 🔗

Cool how he loves a debate, yet doesn’t know what PCR is. I blame the schools …

265292 Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 32, #393 of 1931 🔗

Morning All

Since I first came on this site (which I now do daily) I have dug into quite a lot of reading on the topic and my scepticism has deepened considerably. I found a fantastic site called https://in-this-together.com/ which covers this and a whole lot more.
My current view is in some ways quite bleak, because if it’s remotely true, there is a much bigger plan for global control. Let me see if I can summarise my thoughts. If I even dared to share this with anyone but a sceptic, I’d be labelled a loony straight away, so I hope that doesn’t happen on here.

I really like this site, but having looked at in this together and a few other sites, I feel that (for lack of a better expression) there is more to it.

Over many years, the world banks have built a monetary system which creates debt for individuals and governments. Explained here: https://in-this-together.com/how-banksters-rule-the-world/

Consequently, governments are basically controlled by the central banks and other huge organisations run by billionaires. This includes Big Pharma, the WEF, the Bilderberg Group etc etc. It barely matters which party is in power – they are controlled by these oligarchs. . Once you get that, it’s clear that the politicians are complete puppets.

For decades, the creation of the “New World Order” has been on the agenda. Most of the aims are in the public domain but most people don’t realise it.  The aim is global authoritarianism. IE placing massive restrictions on people’s freedom, and will result in the rich becoming richer and everyone else becoming poorer. It has been gradually happening for years.

The COVID “pandemic” has been exploited to further these goals. Whether the virus was natural or lab-created doesn’t really matter. The NOW (via WEF, WHO, Bill Gates etc) have forced governments to do their bidding and exploit COVID to introduce “emergency measures” which they won’t let go of. It is implemented via extreme propaganda with the MSM (which they also control), and it seems that most (or enough) people believe it without critical thought. It is enforced by censorship and social shaming of dissenters.
Unless it is stopped, it will lead to the sort of things we are already seeing. Deaths from untreated disease, suicide etc. Small and medium businesses will collapse. Freedoms will be removed and government / police powers will increase. So you will be arrested for not social distancing, not wearing a mask, not observing curfews etc. There will be immunity passports restricting where you can go and when. People will be coerced or forced into having untrialled vaccines.

This will all give more and more wealth / power to the global elite. A tiny % of the population who hold over 1/3 of the wealth. The whole COVID narrative is taking us to this reality, much quicker than before.

I may not have explained that very well, but in principle it follows logically (for me at least)., even if you don’t agree with it all. What it means for me is that a lot of the things that don’t seem to make sense to us are kind of secondary. Why is Johnson doing this, why do they misreport stats, did someone create the virus in a lab, why are they locking down again, why do they insist on masks when there is no evidence that they work. They are just a series of tactics that lead towards the end goal. The NWO, via the governments and MSM, will continue to do whatever they can get away with to slowly squeeze the  life (literally and figuratively) out of the population. If the public fall for things (like the misleading figures), they will keep doing it. If they go too far and the public pushes back, they will probably back off.

Thee are so many signs of this. They ran Event 201 only 2 months before the pandemic and it was scarily true to life . how brazen was that, so tell everyone what they were planning and then actually do it. Many people that are involved have vested interests, such as ties to big pharma. All the “experts” such as Faucci, Ferguson etc etc are funded by these oligarchs somehow. Any expert that dissents (e.g. Mike Yeadon) is marginalised – censored or shadow banned..

How any of us can combat this I don’t know. Rioting and possibly even protesting is playing into their hands, as it will give them the excuse to increase police or even military intervention. The kind of legal challenges we are seeing from Simon Dolan and DR Reiner Fuellmich will hopefully work. But they are fighting against a group with limitless money plus control over media, governments and maybe even the legal system. The only other way I think it can be resisted is if the public wake up and realise even some of what’s going on, and simply refuse to comply.

Sorry for the long post which is probably a bit rambling, but I wanted to see if I could get my thoughts down. I have been sceptical about govt’s generally for a while, but having looked into this a bit more deeply it does feel way more scary than I thought.
Thanks

265309 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Sceptic in SA, 4, #394 of 1931 🔗

Check out Hayek, et. al.

I don’t think it is a conspiracy. I think it is a product of self-selection combined with government actors acting in their best self interests. They appear to be acting in concert because they are all so like-minded.

266770 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to RyanM, #395 of 1931 🔗

“They appear to be acting in concert because they are all so like-minded.”

That is a conspiracy!

265311 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Sceptic in SA, 9, #396 of 1931 🔗

I think you’ll find the rich already have 99% of the wealth. They now want the final 1% and, with that, also power. Money now means nothing to them; power is next on their agenda. People have laughed at these ideas for years, well they’re not laughing now (to coin a wellknown phrase). Mass non-compliance is totally essential, but I believe other forces are at work (in our favour) that will eventually push through.
I do not believe God has brought us this far in life simply to dump us into oblivion. This is a major game-change point and we are witnessing a vicious battle for total control over our lives. This is our WW3. It flies, however, in the face of Nature and anything that does is doomed to fail.

266241 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to thedarkhorse, 2, #397 of 1931 🔗

Your last point is pivotal ,and well said.Nature ,indeed has thrown a spanner into the arrogant and hubristic plans of humans always .One size never fits all, this reset stuff is surely unworkable worldwide?

265312 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #398 of 1931 🔗
265497 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #399 of 1931 🔗

Indeed, lots of money to be made from war and we are at war.

265333 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #400 of 1931 🔗

All happening, but I believe the push back will happen to a degree, then they will just wait for another day, to continue with their plans.

265406 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Sceptic in SA, 5, #402 of 1931 🔗

Pretty much nailed it, welcome to our World.

You have only seen the tip of the iceberg however, taking the red pill is the first step.

265687 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Kev, 1, #403 of 1931 🔗

Red Pills
I had quite a lot of them in the late 80’s and early 90’s, red pills, and green ones, and black ones. Sometimes all in one night.
That’s what “wrong” with me.
😉

265510 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #404 of 1931 🔗

This is not an issue where there can realistically be “proof” either way that will satisfy everyone, it comes down to gut feeling I suppose.

governments are basically controlled by the central banks and other huge organisations run by billionaires. This includes Big Pharma, the WEF, the Bilderberg Group etc etc. It barely matters which party is in power – they are controlled by these oligarchs. . Once you get that, it’s clear that the politicians are complete puppets

The problem is, these power centres you list are not unified. It is when you hypothesise some kind of unified motivation for them that you shift to the realm of conspiracy hypothesising (I use that term without pejorative intent, merely descriptively). Of course they will have shared objectives or might cooperate opportunistically, but fundamentally they are mostly in competition for power, where they are not the same people. And politicians operate in the cracks between the power centres, which can give them considerable freedom of action, and the more successful ones become players themselves of course.

If humans were competent to run a world conspiracy of the kind you describe, then the various totalitarian societies we have seen in history would have been competent to run themselves efficiently and successfully (albeit only for their rulers). But that is not what history shows us – history suggests they are incompetent and inefficient in ways that tend to end in their own downfall (arguably, only because there has always been somewhere “outside” to resist or out-compete them, bit that’s a separate issue).

Which is not to say there are not constant cynical or fanatical conspiracies and endemic opportunist bandwagon jumping, which imo easily, together with gross incompetence, cowardice and dishonesty, more than adequately explains what we have seen.

I don’t know much about this Klaus Schwab character who seems to be becoming the figurehead of choice, but I have looked at the previous nominee Bill Gates and it’s pretty clear that while he is certainly reasonably intelligent and a very cunning manipulator, he is no world-shattering genius. His fortune was as much based on being in the right place at the right time with the right aptitudes and interests as it was on intellect. If he’s what you have to offer as one of the evil geniuses running the world, then we don’t have to worry too much about the conspiracy holding together for long. But of course, a man with immense wealth and stupid ideas about the world can still do a lot of damage.

265665 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Mark, 4, #405 of 1931 🔗

A very well stated reply and no, none taken.

I wouldn’t disagree with any of that. Interesting point about historical examples of totalitarianism. Maybe the same will happen here – they will pursue global totalitarianism and it may ultimately fail. But that won’t stop them trying and in so doing they will wreak much misery on the population and it might take decades to unfold. Or maybe it won’t fail – maybe there will be no capable opposition and we all end up being controlled by the NWO. That’s what scares me

I agree that the likes of Gates, Schwab etc. are not behind it per se. They are complicit I believe, but I suspect that the real orchestrators are the faceless oligarchs who control the world’s banking. I think (as some others have suggested) that they crave power not money as such. I do however think it’s plausible that they have a unified objective and are not that bothered about competing with each other.

Thanks for the response and to the others who replied. All of this helps me to form a clearer perspective

265523 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sceptic in SA, 4, #406 of 1931 🔗

I don’t think you are a million miles away. Though don’t underestimate the leverage being applied in all this due to environmentalism. The vast majority of us try to do the right thing here but my feeling is that some green prophecy of doom is being used to coerce collaboration.

265315 Thumb, replying to Thumb, 19, #407 of 1931 🔗

Matt Hancock appears to be completely insane. He clearly needs to be as far from the levers of power as possible.

265327 ▶▶ alw, replying to Thumb, 7, #408 of 1931 🔗

As does dear leader who is still hiding under the bedclothes and letting the backstabber Gove apparently run the show. The Tower should be their permanent home.

265371 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Thumb, 6, #409 of 1931 🔗

Couldn’t agree more; he’s gone completely power mad. He’s now at the point where he doesn’t only believe everything he says, he actually thinks he’s right.

265397 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Thumb, 5, #410 of 1931 🔗

Is there a way to file for him to be psychiatrically assessed as he’s clearly gone insane.

265805 ▶▶▶ claire, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #411 of 1931 🔗

You only need one doctor, there must be thousands out there who would be willing..

265733 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Thumb, 2, #412 of 1931 🔗

I am in blood
Stepp’d in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o’er.

265322 alw, 2, #414 of 1931 🔗

More from Mike Yeadon

“Watching M. Macron. We’ll soon be able to travel further from our home than 1km. Hurray for Liberté! But have to be inside again with 3h. Though we’ve not found the police to be officious, like eve…”

A thread from @MichaelYeadon3
https://threader.app/thread/1331317302910914563

265325 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #415 of 1931 🔗

So people who cannot stay with very elderly parents because they live in sheltered accommodation or can’t cope with visitors, and were planning to stay in an hotel and take them out for lunch, can’t do that, even though it would be ‘safer’ than sitting in their tiny flat for several hours? That makes total sense! It is also disastrous for the hotels and restaurants whose Christmas profits are based on people doing exactly that. Not everyone’s relatives live in huge houses.

And, before Boris Johnson talks about the British approach to going to work with a respiratory infection, he should read the government’s own sickness absence policies for its own staff. He should perhaps also consider whether sacking government cleaners and outsourcing the cleaning of government offices, to companies employing casual workers from abroad, was really a sensible thing to do in terms of the health of the rest of the workforce. Closing local offices, packing everyone into overcrowded buildings with no natural ventilation, and introducing open plan offices and hot desking may not have been a good idea either!

265731 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #416 of 1931 🔗

A former colleague of mine often said, “With a PhD in hindsight we wouldn’t have done X, Y or Z”. Government and other office management folk don’t even have a GCSE in hindsight or in foresight.

265337 Sarigan, 5, #417 of 1931 🔗

For any of the Uni students on here:

Has your student experience been as promised to you by your university and the Government so far this year?
If not, share your stories with us here

https://reformparty.uk/students/

265339 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 6, #418 of 1931 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/24/uk-facing-risk-of-systemic-economic-crisis-official-paper-says?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
This is what it is all about. We are being locked up to cover for government incompetence and pubs are being closed to stop alcohol-fuelled disorder. And Labour is fully onboard with it because they can say, ‘We told you so’, about the climate crap, Brexit and NHS staffing, and because they despise and are threatened by the drinking culture of the working class.

265350 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #419 of 1931 🔗

2 things:

  1. “Leaked” document
  2. “reasonable worst case scenarios”

aka. Load of scaremongering bollocks and just another part of the plan.

265374 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ceriain, 2, #420 of 1931 🔗

The number of leaked documents never ceases to amaze me.
Very few are from “whistleblowers” in my opinion. I tend to assume that they are cynical releases of (potentially) unpalatable information and/or disinformation to bypass correct channels and procedure.

By the way, how did the police get on with finding the source of the lockdown leak?
Have I missed anything?

265410 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #421 of 1931 🔗

Have I missed anything?

No, you’re pretty much spot on. 👍

…they are cynical releases of (potentially) unpalatable information and/or disinformation to bypass correct channels and procedure.

You are Sir Humphrey Appleby and I claim my £5. 😉

265418 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ceriain, 3, #422 of 1931 🔗

Yes, fairly obvious to you and me, but sometimes worth stating the obvious even if only to make myself feel better. 🙂

265419 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #423 of 1931 🔗

Media make their careers on ‘leaked’ documents and ‘sources’. When in actual fact its just a form of government comms.

I think such signalling is intentional. They have a way of indicating to the markets and rent seekers that this is where we are going, get your tickets for the big off

265364 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #424 of 1931 🔗

It is – and will be – a globa l systemic crisis. Which is why covid is a global phenomenon.

Covid has not caused te crisis. Covid is the cover for dealing with it.

265421 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #425 of 1931 🔗

I see they note flu.

Imagine being in that meeting and speaking up to say “What’s flu? Didn’t we solve that.”

265343 Alexei, replying to Alexei, 29, #426 of 1931 🔗

After two near-sleepless nights I’m struggling, mentally and physically. The pressures of running a small business – apparently in terminal decline – with a young family to feed are immense. Worried that this time I don’t have the energy to turn it around.

Completely socially isolated now too. All my (former) friends are comfortably ensconced in the public sector or large listed companies doing well from this crisis, one way or another. They’re playing a heroic role in a disaster movie of their own making, without suffering any of the consequences.

I can’t face them any more and don’t even want to. I think I need my own Great Reset. Start again with new friends who actually share some common ground. Build Back Better, you might say.

265372 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Alexei, 7, #427 of 1931 🔗

I know how you feel especially with people you know who refuse to wake up. Like you I don’t think I can be bothered facing them anymore.

However take heart that their luck will run out at some point. Economic Armageddon is around the corner and there will be no escaping for them.

265373 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Alexei, 8, #428 of 1931 🔗

I’m so sorry that things have got so bad, a good friend of mine had to close her business in lockdown 1, she had worked so hard and it was her dream to open it and she was heartbroken that it didn’t survive. I can guess how you’re feeling.

I hope you find better friends. Fortunately I do know some who are sceptics like me, some i see often and to hell with regulations as to whether i should or shouldn’t, i have no idea to be honest, some i keep in touch with via messenger and i do zoom meetings with my sister and her family who are also sceptical now. If you can do the same, it helps – have you found anyone in your area via the forums on this site?

Hang in there, i do wonder if ‘letting us out’ for Christmas (isn’t it pathetic?) might just release the floodgates and people will not bother to pay attention to future attempts to rule our lives. Let’s hope!

265777 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to maggie may, 7, #429 of 1931 🔗

Thanks Maggie. Fortunately I have one solid sceptic friend I can always count on: my wife!

I’m absolutely heartbroken for your friend and all like her. I suppose I’m one of the lucky ones: still keeping my head above water. But most of my clients are small businesses and non-profits, and like your friend, they’re just being thrown to the wolves.

I’ll never forgive the politicians or the public at large at what they’re doing to these kind, hard-working, enterprising people.

265464 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Alexei, 1, #430 of 1931 🔗

Is there any help I can give? What’s your business? Come on here and let your feeling go!

265763 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #431 of 1931 🔗

Kind of you to suggest, but it’s my responsibility. I wouldn’t trouble the good people of LS!

266919 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Alexei, #432 of 1931 🔗

Hang on dear Alexei. Many of us are sharing similar experiences. Solidarity in our insomnia.

267036 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Alexei, #433 of 1931 🔗

Just bin the lot of them off….believe me you will feel better.

265347 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #435 of 1931 🔗

Stomach churning cases No 7 ( I’m sure fellow sceptics can think of at least 6 others): “Happy clappy” brain dead, moronic collaborating 70 somethings spouting toe curling embarrassing sick bucket inducing platitudes such as: ” We are going to have a Zoom Christmas this year to protect,blah,blah,etc,etc.
Nobody can tell me that these creeps are not actors or at the very least not coached or promted to peddle this government propaganda.

265394 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #436 of 1931 🔗

This echoes a lot of the comments on the BBC HYS. Hysteria doesn’t even cover it. This is groupthink at its worst. “Hope you have a merry Christmas with your aged relation because you’ll be going to their funeral in January” or “it’ll be their last”. I still cannot get my head round why. Michael Crichton wrote a novel “State of Fear”, which is about climate change, but is equally applicable to the SARS-CoV-2 situation.

265472 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to p02099003, 2, #437 of 1931 🔗

Was interesting the other day where the bullshit broadcasting cucks posted how the death rate had risen and was 20% over 5 year average, I would say 70% were dismissive of the post and calling it out. Two months ago that was not the case.

265348 reason, replying to reason, 13, #438 of 1931 🔗

I live on my own and can safely assume that tier 2 beckons. This means, unless some highly unlikely exception appears in the small print that if I fancy a drink at the pub I have to have a meal and sit there on my own.

I just wonder if the knob heads making these rules have ever spent a day living in the real world.

So tough luck for me but even tougher for the hospitality sector who have unsurprisingly voiced their anger. This seems more about a dislike of alcohol amongst the motley crew who are currently attempting to control our lives than covid.

265352 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to reason, 3, #439 of 1931 🔗

I’m sure we could find some local skeptics you can claim you live with.

265356 ▶▶ IanE, replying to reason, 2, #440 of 1931 🔗

Mainly, it is simply a power play!

265359 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to reason, 6, #441 of 1931 🔗

Spiked has a good article about how these restrictions harming the pub sector are more to do with the middle classes’ contempt for the working class:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/25/the-new-class-war-on-our-pubs/

I’ve long believed that the virus is being used as a proxy on the long running war against alcohol and drinking. I used to live in Scotland and have witnessed for 10 years the government’s Wile E Coyote like attempts to restrict the sale of alcohol without success.

The virus has been a gift to the anti-alcohol lobby because they can hammer the pubs under the guise of health and safety.

265395 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #442 of 1931 🔗

The absolute epitome of this hatred is the Democrat party in America that is seriously going to try and forgive student debt while non-graduate jobs go up in smoke. The idea that graduates are worthy of a bail out paid for by the people who clean their houses is driven by pure hatred.

265413 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Recusant, 3, #443 of 1931 🔗

The University industry in the US are sitting on huge trust funds. They should raid those. They won’t.

265697 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Recusant, 2, #444 of 1931 🔗

Hence why I have less time for the middle classes than the toffs. The hypocrisy and holier than thou behaviour of the former reminds me of the Pharisees in the Bible.

265401 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to reason, 2, #445 of 1931 🔗

Business meetings/lunches are still allowed to take place I believe. Could be a work around.

265415 ▶▶▶ reason, replying to Sarigan, #446 of 1931 🔗

Any ideas for what could constitute a business meeting with me and my mate, both OAP’s and obviously retired, would be sincerely appreciated. I haven’t been able to come up with anything that would wash so far!

265434 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to reason, #447 of 1931 🔗

Any training, perhaps on wine tasting

266583 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to reason, 1, #448 of 1931 🔗

Call yourself consultants.
These days anyone with 2 years after doing their MBA says they can consult. HA!

266775 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan, #449 of 1931 🔗

Author and accountant or publisher?
Lessons in how to do social media on your phone?
Designer and client?

265428 ▶▶ kf99, replying to reason, 3, #450 of 1931 🔗

Tania Edwards “who doesn’t love a virus that respects table service?”

266254 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to reason, 1, #451 of 1931 🔗

These fuckers do not live in the real world, and wouldn’t know what a decent boozer was.

266265 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to reason, 1, #452 of 1931 🔗

The people who make the rules are completely unaffected by them – that’s why they find them so easy to make. They don’t go in pubs, they don’t go shopping, they don’t travel on buses. They might have more than six to dinner – but who’s to tell?

265353 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 12, #453 of 1931 🔗

As we don t know when this tyranny will end, if ever, and things will probably only get worse in 2021 maybe we need to think of a physical positive symbol, gesture or a simple badge to put on clothing to indicate "i m for freedom/back to normal/no to health fascism”, We live in a world now where super advanced tech and internet now is being used to censor opposing views, some say this is used in elections too – there is no opposition or dissenting voice. Our enemy can switch off our livelihood`s at will for any spurious reason. The police today are not the police i was taught growing up to respect. This is where we are at.

A “badge of hope” pinned on your coat will indicate that there is someone else in the world I can smile at and would help if requested.

265360 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to nickbowes, 6, #454 of 1931 🔗

An excellent idea

265432 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #455 of 1931 🔗

Yeap..I would buy a box full . Please get this done

265362 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to nickbowes, 7, #456 of 1931 🔗

This is a really great idea. I would wear something, in the vain hope of meeting a fellow free-thinking human.

265379 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Alexei, 3, #457 of 1931 🔗

Yep. Up for this. I know a few friends who are lost in a sea of fear will equate it to a MAGA hat because they simply can’t break out of the box. Talk of freedom to them is ‘something Trump would say’

265382 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Alexei, 4, #458 of 1931 🔗

It does not need to be confrontational – just a positive symbol, a simple gesture of hope.

I`m sure there are bright minds on here – Toby, someone who can design such a badge. Sell them off this website to promote its upkeep etc. I would buy several. We need to get off line and do something for the man /woman on the street. Spread the message.

265508 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to nickbowes, 2, #459 of 1931 🔗

I think right back at the beginning Toby had some t-shirts made up but it was not taken up and he stopped it. I am sure the Wham fan club might still have their choose life shirts.

265381 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to nickbowes, 5, #460 of 1931 🔗

I like this idea, Nick. I briefly considered sporting the ‘stay sane’ badge but since I feel that my grip on sanity is tenuous at best and many others are in an even worse situation, it didn’t feel quite right.

265422 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #461 of 1931 🔗

I keep wearing mine because I prefer my original existing sanity to the current madness prevailing

265404 ▶▶ NickR, replying to nickbowes, 5, #462 of 1931 🔗

Don’t wear anything extra, just don’t wear a mask. Be normal.

265417 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to NickR, 1, #463 of 1931 🔗

True enough, but like it or not, there are millions in this county who wear masks who hate doing so.

265412 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to nickbowes, 6, #464 of 1931 🔗

I suggested an open padlock previously.

265420 ▶▶ reason, replying to nickbowes, 1, #465 of 1931 🔗

“Stuff Lockdown” would do it, just a case of closing the right font.

265423 ▶▶▶ reason, replying to reason, 1, #466 of 1931 🔗

choosing not closing, obviously!

265433 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to reason, 3, #467 of 1931 🔗

I agree with that sentiment totally but we live in an era where the slogan “stuff lockdown” can be seen as aggressive to some people or even invading something such as a “safe space” to a type of person and his/hers belief system (such as being a lock down zealot). Just a quiet, powerful and positive symbol . Think it`s important.

265538 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to nickbowes, 3, #468 of 1931 🔗

I agree. This is simply to enable fellow sceptics to recognise each other. A very discreet but unmistakeable symbol is all that’s needed.

265429 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to nickbowes, 5, #469 of 1931 🔗

Early Christians used the fish as a coded symbol. Something simple and distinctive like that.

265567 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #470 of 1931 🔗

Precisely. And being simple is crucial because it means anyone can make their own if they want to. It could be (for example) embroidered on a coat or a hat, painted on a garden gate, stuck in a window or drawn or scratched anywhere.
Something runic would suffice.

265728 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Monty Bodkin, 4, #471 of 1931 🔗

Well. You’ve hit upon an enthusiasm of mine. Runes. I like the Othala rune. The rune of Liberty and belonging to the land.

“A home or estate, group prosperity, group order, freedom, productive interaction; or LACK OF customary order, totalitarianism, slavery, poverty, homelessness, xenophobia, racism, genocide.”

265754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #472 of 1931 🔗

Would make a good symbol for one of the new traditionalist parties currently being mooted – Heritage, Reclaim or Reform, but they would immediately be smeared with the more “national socialist” past associations and the extensions of it in your description of its connotations. Then again, they will be smeared with that anyway.

Probably best avoided, though.

265787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 1, #473 of 1931 🔗

Suppose so. Irritating, though. Considering that they mean the exact opposite of what those fuckers think. But yes, you’re right. Something that doesn’t provoke anything or anyone.

266982 ▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #474 of 1931 🔗

Sorry, I had to go out to work and have only just come back to LS and seen this. I like it. Mark (below) has a point but I still think it does the job we want it to do. Actually, if you turn it on its side, it is almost the same shape as the Christian fish symbol!
There are others, less likely to provoke anyone. The Inguz rune is generally associated with life, living, harmony and finding resolution. Not in the least bit ambiguous or smearable. What do you think?
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266995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Monty Bodkin, #475 of 1931 🔗

Well that didn’t work and I left it too late to edit it. Northumbrian Nomad, please find and copy the right image. I’m messing this up and wasting space.

266997 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Monty Bodkin, #476 of 1931 🔗

NN, It’s like a pair of crossed boomerangs.

265795 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Monty Bodkin, 1, #477 of 1931 🔗

What about something like this? Just a simple representation of a magic knot being undone. Pull the ends and it disappears and you’re free. Think it’s distinctive enough that people could draw it themselves and it would be obvious what it was even if it didn’t look quite the same.

265796 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #478 of 1931 🔗

Or maybe slightly differently designed, if I remember the destructive English sense of humour correctly

265808 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #479 of 1931 🔗

Like this

265520 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to nickbowes, 3, #480 of 1931 🔗

I’ve been thinking about this too but always was a little cynical about badges because they remind me of my student days when everyone seemed to be covered in little symbols or statements of their political and cultural affiliations. On the other hand, one of the most depressing things about the current situation is that nearly all normal human interaction has been broken. Dissenters can mostly only commmunicate via the web. In the real world, we mostly cannot tell who are allies and who would turn us in to the stasi. A small, universally recognised, symbol of our “tribe” would be enormously helpful.

265541 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to nickbowes, 1, #481 of 1931 🔗

The Mockingjay symbol seems appropriate

265741 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to nickbowes, 1, #482 of 1931 🔗

Fantastic idea. I have a stay sane badge at the moment, but feel that it is too small to read and with a quick look it could be read as stay safe.

266780 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mrs issedoff, #483 of 1931 🔗

They do a bigger size ….

265860 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to nickbowes, 3, #484 of 1931 🔗

Dont wear a mask and wear a smile, that is the greatest badge of hope, smile at those who wear a mask. They are completely flumoxed by that.

265355 NickR, 7, #485 of 1931 🔗

False positives. I’ve reposted something I produced a few months ago to illustrate the impact of false positives on variable levels of ‘reported’ positives.
On the right of the graphic is a chart taken from a Government report that illustrates the life-cycle of the virus. From initial infection it takes about a week before the virus can be detected. The infected person then enters a period of about 2 weeks when they’re infectious.. They then go into a period of a month or so when the virus can be detected but they aren’t infectious.
The Government report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf reports a 0.8% – 4% false positive rate with a median level at 2.3%. For this example I used 0.8%. I also used data from CDC to calculate the post infectious and a figure for ‘asymptomatic’ who would be less infectious. So, all assumptions are very conservative.
If you look at the pie chart in the bottom left it assumes a reported positive rate of 2.5%, about the highest rate being reported at present. Using the assumptions I’ve made this translates into an actual rate of .85%, so about 2/3rds of people being reported as having the virus, being infectious aren’t.

265357 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #486 of 1931 🔗

Pick Your Own Tier, then you can adjust it to your own circumstances.

265535 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #487 of 1931 🔗

And get a tshirt with the slogan Tier zero MF!

265358 merlin, 4, #488 of 1931 🔗

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037
Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us.

It’s like writing your own exam and in the case of oxford/astra still getting a crap mark.

265363 alw, 16, #489 of 1931 🔗

Francis Hoar on Christmas regulations.

Francis Hoar
@Francis_Hoar
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15h

This is past the point of absurdity. A law intruding on private households that can never be enforced is not a law. It is a laughing stock.”

265430 ▶▶ calchas, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #491 of 1931 🔗

Superb – please watch – about 7 minutes

265568 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PastImperfect, #492 of 1931 🔗

Very very good. Thanks for sharing. What side of history will you be on.

265367 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #493 of 1931 🔗

Is it safe to say liberal, free, democratic societies are incapable of dealing with a disease outbreak? They revert to unfree, authoritarian, election cancelling shit-holes where the occupying power tells us who we can meet in our own homes.

265388 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to steve_w, 2, #494 of 1931 🔗

liberal, free, democratic societies (like communism) have never been tried properly so just surrender you’ll feel much better.

265416 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #495 of 1931 🔗

It’s failed three thousand, nine hundred and twenty-two times already. If we just try a wee bit harder one last time, everything will be fine…

Madness: attempting the same thing over and over, while expecting the result to be different.

265391 ▶▶ calchas, replying to steve_w, 6, #496 of 1931 🔗

I disagree.

A free society, where everyone determines his own risk, is a much better way of dealing with disease.

After all, that’s how it worked for most of history.

Risk is thereby dealt with at a much more granular individual level.

Not that there is any pandemic currently.

265380 Nigel Sherratt, 1, #497 of 1931 🔗

Doll Tearsheet’s description of Falstaff seems appropriate for the dPPE (de Pfeffle Pig Emperor) too.

Thou whoreson little tidy Bartholomew boar-pig.

265383 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 11, #498 of 1931 🔗

My son is doing a language course which as it’s educational he can physically attend. On the course is a doctor in the local A&E department. Last night the doctor let rip about the situation in A&E, sure they see the odd COVID case but he said suicides and domestic violence have increased dramatically.

265384 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #499 of 1931 🔗

We all know this, it’s the government’s agenda that is destroying things.

265489 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #500 of 1931 🔗

Too right, I am calling it ‘Johnson’s Journey’, it starts with 3 weeks to ‘Flatten the Curve’ and ends with 3 months to ‘Finish the Country’.

265496 ▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Old Bill, #501 of 1931 🔗

…taking in a visit to “Squash that Sombrero” on the way…

265386 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 20, #502 of 1931 🔗

Big thank you for the list of questions to ask my MP.

Just one small problem, my MP is Nadine Dorries. Is it possible to re-write the list of questions using words of only one syllable?

Thanks

265437 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #503 of 1931 🔗

Maybe you could write them using i.t.a. while you’re at it. That was supposed to help people learn to read. (Like all trendy educational crap it never did achieve its aims, but it did teach them how not to spell!)

265540 ▶▶ CGL, replying to captainbeefheart, #504 of 1931 🔗

How’s she getting on with Klaus’s book beefy? Enjoying it is she?

265696 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #505 of 1931 🔗

Mine is Helen Whately, she no longer replies to emails (rarely even acknowledges them now) but her staff probably check here. My plea to her is even at this late stage to reject Cummings’s Faustian pact valuing the NHS (and political calculus) above everything even our lives. She’s probably doing her best and I hope the Public Enquiry is merciful.

265709 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #506 of 1931 🔗

Why not just send a card with a big question mark in it?

265390 MK1953, replying to MK1953, 18, #507 of 1931 🔗

Hi everybody – a reminder of a fact, for context, that seems to have been drowned out by the ‘noise’

  • UK deaths from HK Influenza (1968/69): 80,000. Adjusted for increase in current population the extrapolated figure for today would be higher than this.

My blood boils whenever I hear the word ‘unprecedented’!

265655 ▶▶ RickH, replying to MK1953, #508 of 1931 🔗

The word ‘unprecedented’ is a lie.

265396 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #509 of 1931 🔗

Another excellent thread from our favourite cartoonist Bob using his cartoons:

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1331336370493804544

265439 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #510 of 1931 🔗

He’s a wonderfully talented young man.

Had his own share of heartache in the past, but he and his lovely wife came through it: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/fatherhood/11772911/How-my-daughter-taught-me-the-meaning-of-courage.html

I find him to be an inspiring individual.

265402 steve_w, 19, #511 of 1931 🔗

Looking at Europe, I can’t help but think…

1 – sweden let it go and achieved herd immunity in spring

2 – hard lockdown countries spent a summer destroying their citizens immune systems through lack of sunshine and stress then let them out just to coincide with the pick up of this seasonal virus

265411 John P, replying to John P, 7, #512 of 1931 🔗

“How could I be so dumb!” I thought to myself last night when the penny dropped. Nine O levels – five at grade A – four A levels, a science degree from a good university and a postgraduate professional accountancy qualification were not enough to shield me from the flaws in my own logic.

“The government majority is only 80”, I had been thinking. “If Labour rebel it might be close.”

Doh! I was, of course completely forgetting that the Covid Party that is currently infecting our parliamentary system has a majority far larger than 80. It will take a very considerable rebellion to defeat Johnson and his criminal cabal.

I suppose it does serve to illustrate though the importance of intellectual humility. We all make mistakes. Nobody is immune from them. We can – like the government – refuse to acknowledge our mistakes or we can put our hands up and admit to them.

Those that think that this government’s actions are so deliberate are also making the mistake of thinking that people who are good at passing exams never make unforced errors. But they do. We all do. Passing an exam does not take a near flawless performance. For a couple of hours you just have to be a little better than your peers.

Maybe had I not lived alone then I would have talked about it with my wife or partner and quickly seen the mistake for what it was. Or maybe more bluntly my brains have simply been dulled by age or past trauma. Or maybe I just made a mistake.

I suppose at least I felt a bit more optimistic for a few hours. Oh well!

265444 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to John P, 2, #513 of 1931 🔗

Labour is an authoritarian party that thinks you are a treat to the common good – that you will make the wrong decisions on climate change, abortion, sovereignty and covid – so will never be outflanked on authoritarian measures. The never question the assumptions made by a science-ist view of the world and treat anyone who questions them as a heretic.

265619 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Recusant, -1, #514 of 1931 🔗

Labour is an authoritarian party”

Wrong. But Blair and now Starmer, as establishment shills, have done their best to undermine its fractious democratic structures – a mirror of what has happened to the country as a whole.

265625 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 3, #515 of 1931 🔗

The Labour Party is opposed to freedom of expression: that sounds authoritarian to me.

265649 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #516 of 1931 🔗

You misunderstand what has actually happened. It is Starmer who has whipped the PLP into compliance with the Tories, and tried to use the central administration as a block on discussion of key issues in the Party at large.

You need to be aware of the distinction – a number of Constituency parties have already put forward motions of ‘No Confidence’ in Starmer because of this – unheard of this early in a regime.

There is a major schism between the Tory-followers at the centre and much of the actual Party – which is its members, even tho’, as in the country as a whole, a large number remain blissfully ignorant of what is going on in their name.

265682 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #517 of 1931 🔗

You persist in ignoring inconvenient reality. The Labour Party has been fully on board with suppression of the expression of opinions they dislike, for decades, through “hate speech” and such laws. They are absolutely philosophically committed to the suppression of free expression.

It’s just that its members, like you presumably (feel free to correct that presumption if it is incorrect), think that it’s absolutely right to suppress opinions they dislike, for the “greater good”, and create an imaginary special category of speech defined by supposed motivation or effect to allow them to pretend that they are not thereby suppressing free speech.

In other words, Steve Hayes’ assertion about the Labour Party was absolutely accurate.

265707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 2, #518 of 1931 🔗

The Labour Party was opposed to freedom of expression before Starmer was elected leader.

265479 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, 1, #519 of 1931 🔗

There is the letters to Graham Brady (1922 Committee) route. Fifty-five letters are all that would be necessary to trigger a Conservative leadership election. If the party were to change its leader on the basis of the responses to the virus issue, we could leave this madness behind.

265424 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 15, #520 of 1931 🔗

They’re losing it at The Guardian – just look at some of the topics in their “opinion” section…

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265440 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #521 of 1931 🔗

Well, those six are clearly madder than a box of frogs.

265442 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #522 of 1931 🔗

Just realised, the entire opinion page does not contain one picture of anyone in a face nappy. Strange for the guardinot

I wonder how many people have complained?

265447 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #523 of 1931 🔗

They lost it a long time ago, it’s just horseshit for idiots. Wouldn’t even wrap my chips in it.

265456 ▶▶ mjr, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #524 of 1931 🔗

splendid stuff Mr Vliet. Even typos in there to reflect the Grauniad.

265459 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #525 of 1931 🔗

I wonder if they already know the answer to their own question?

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(HINT: The answer is probably YES)

265671 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to captainbeefheart, #526 of 1931 🔗

iEye is my favourite, Big Shiny fans so fervent that they replace an eyeball. A joke for now but how long.

265482 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #527 of 1931 🔗

Dear God the the utter anti human shit lib madness on display there , I bet Adam Tooze will be over joyed then when Biden sends Al Queda back into the middle east to cause untold suffering and chaos to the impoverished people of that region .

265488 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #528 of 1931 🔗

At least George will be winging about Brexit, not whinging.

265492 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Sarigan, #529 of 1931 🔗

🙂 They must have rushed it and introduced several typos…

“Facts are scarce”

265515 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #530 of 1931 🔗

I’m thinking that highlighting the pile of crap paper that purports to be journalism gives it our focus and energy. Can’t we ignore it as fake news? No one pays to read it anyway which is comforting in itself. Let it wither and die.

265548 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #531 of 1931 🔗

Great satire but reflects poorly on the LS readers that so many thought it was real…

265970 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to captainbeefheart, #532 of 1931 🔗

Good Lord – I knew The Grauniad was batshit crazy but this is the ultimate proof.

265427 John P, replying to John P, -12, #533 of 1931 🔗

I note a new editor has appeared. Conor Chaplin appears to be a fan of the Great Reset.

Carry on with that conspiracy bullshit and you might get rid of me yet.

265450 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, -3, #534 of 1931 🔗

Hang on in there JP. Not a fan of the hysterical wing of lockdown “scepticism” myself. Recommend reading the book “Covid 19: The Great Reset” to fully realise what nonsense the conspiracy theory is. There is collusion between world leaders when it comes to the Green agenda that the WEF is helping to push, but that can be dealt with through elections. Maybe we win, maybe they win.

Easier to ignore it all then.

265452 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #535 of 1931 🔗

“but that can be dealt with through elections.”

Run with what software?

265990 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, #536 of 1931 🔗

I have got in on order at the library. They got “where did the towers go” by Judy Wood, then it disappeared into the ether, down the library service memory hole.
Swabbs book will probably go the same way if they do actually get it for me.

265457 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to John P, 13, #537 of 1931 🔗

I note a new editor has appeared. Conor Chaplin appears to be a fan of the Great Reset. Carry on with that conspiracy bullshit and you might get rid of me yet.

Well, it’s a fact that there is such a thing as “the Great Reset”, that the founder of the WEF Klaus Schwab has written books on The Fourth Industrial Revolution and COVID-19: The Great Reset , and that he and the WEF are currently supporting a Great Reset Initiative to satisfy what they say is…

“…an urgent global stakeholders to cooperate in simultaneously managing the direct consequences of the COVID-19 crisis. To improve the state of the world, the World Economic Forum is starting The Great Reset Initiative.”

So it’s not a “conspiracy bullshit” in the sense that it does exist and that it involves cooperation between “global stakeholders”. Similarly, governments around the globe are indeed using the WEF slogan “build back better”. Specifically, “ to build back better we must reinvent capitalism, here’s how. ” because…

“The pandemic has brought into focus many of the vulnerabilities in our systems and institutions. But it also offers us a chance to shape a more resilient and sustainable world. Here’s how businesses and policy-makers can start building the green and inclusive future we need.”

It seems quite reasonable that these endeavours be a part of the discussion on COVID-19 and the government responses, therefore. They are after all well documented by the “stakeholders” themselves (including in past speeches by our own government ministers, with transcripts available on the gov.uk website). It is not hidden or esoteric any more than, say, discussions about Modern Monetary Theory are.

Now, if by “conspiracy theory” you are alluding to the idea that the WEF and the “Great Reset” supporters actually created the virus or hoaxed the virus from scratch and had planned to do so meticulously in advance – as opposed to simply grabbing, and perhaps an optimising, an opportunity which arose – then of course that is a different thing. But I have pretty much never come across anyone suggesting those things in these comments, far less above the line in the posts and articles themselves.

Mind you, just because these people and ideas do exist and are making some sort of inroads, doesn’t been they aren’t ultimately fantasists whose ideas should not be taken seriously, bad (pseudo-)science fiction that they are.* Their actions might need to be monitored and taken seriously, though.

*(The video above was kinda mocking more than supporting conspiracy, surely.)

266037 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Arkansas, #538 of 1931 🔗

Good post

265465 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to John P, 5, #539 of 1931 🔗

Just F off John P…fucked off too many folks on off-guardian, now you come here.

265509 ▶▶▶ Sam, replying to 2 pence, -1, #540 of 1931 🔗

Quite agree, do please fuck off you self important tit

266603 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to 2 pence, #541 of 1931 🔗

I thought I recognised him. Why do so many people get nervous about the word “conspiracy”? Well I already know – the biggest psychological programme in history: to condition everyone to guffaw at the “C” word.

But cf: Michael Parenti: “People come up to me and say, ‘You don’t mean people actually go into a room and plan?’ and I feel like saying, ‘Nah they go on carousels and sit on the horses as they go round or they go up in planes and jump out with parachutes and form those little circles in the sky where they talk to each other!’”

265474 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, 2, #542 of 1931 🔗

It’s a video by a comedian and satirist. I quite enjoyed it, even though I think the irrefutable existence of the WEF’s plans is not the underlying explanation for everything that has happened this year. I say well done to Conor for this edition.

265483 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to John P, 8, #543 of 1931 🔗

How is the Great Reset a conspiracy? It is published, documented and a real agenda. Whether or not Covid was ‘manufactured’ to accelerate it could be deemed conspiracy but not the agenda itself.

265596 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, 2, #544 of 1931 🔗

The Great Reset itself is not a conspiracy. It is an agenda, with much of which I have serious disagreement. More, it is a Green agenda, which many people (myself included) doubt can really be fully implemented. It’s clear few who claim how evil this “Great Reset” is, have bothered to actually read the book, as much of the nonsense actually attributed to it is utter rubbish.

There is nothing in it, for example, concerning population reduction, deliberate impoverishment of populations, creation of hybrids, enslavement of populations, sharp distribution of wealth upwards only, control of population through hunger, removal of personal transport, stripping populations of personal wealth, stripping populations of possessions, controlling housing, destroying entire sectors of economies.

All of the above have been attributed to the Great Reset, baselessly.

However, Schwab in “Covid 19: The Great Reset”, also in “The Fourth Industrial Revolution” and again in “Implementing the Fourth Industral Revolution”, stresses at LENGTH the threats facing the employment, happiness and productivity of people by new technology, as well as the potential threats to privacy. He goes on at length about ensuring people are not left to rot.

There is a definite disconnect between what is in the books, and what some people claim here (and elsewhere).

265549 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 4, #545 of 1931 🔗

I don’t pay too much heed to what’s above the line, TBH

I mainly come here for the comments

It’s a good forum with diverse views, no censorship, often interesting information

Something for everyone

A rarity

What’s not to like

265668 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 1, #546 of 1931 🔗

Feel free to leave and close the door behind you.

265435 Kev, 23, #547 of 1931 🔗

Legally allowed to hug your loved ones, holy shit!

It was never illegal in Comminist Russia, Nazi Germany or North Korea.

When will the sheep wake up?

265436 Nick Rose, 3, #548 of 1931 🔗

We have an alternative SAGE committee. We have devolved assemblies. Perhaps our numbers are now large enough to have an alternative parliament.

265443 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 38, #549 of 1931 🔗

More lunacy from my in laws.
Husbands cousins son, aged 14, been in close contact at school with a girl who tested positive for C19. She sits beside him in Chemistry class. So the boys parents are going along with the ‘advice’ that he needs to isolate in his room alone for 2 weeks. He rings his Mum from his bedroom when he wants food. So he is a prisoner in his room for a 2 weeks without even being tested or showing symptoms? I am assuming he is ‘allowed’ out for the toilet or to shower.
The boy has exams in 2 weeks as well. Maybe a teenage boy doesn’t mind being stuck in his bedroom for 2 weeks but he isn’t even sick!!!!!
Is this not insanity?

265446 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Janice21, 13, #550 of 1931 🔗

Divide and conquer is working exactly as intended.

265449 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Janice21, 16, #551 of 1931 🔗

Yes it is insanity.

Do they ‘sanitize’ the toilet and shower after he uses them?

265468 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to calchas, 6, #552 of 1931 🔗

I would think so, his Mum is already a bit of a cleanliness freak prior to this so I am sure she has a hazmat type suit ready to go once he is out of the bathroom.

265451 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Janice21, 16, #553 of 1931 🔗

It’s insanity, cruelty and just dripping-wet useless brainless pathetic kowtowing to authority.

265481 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Janice21, 16, #554 of 1931 🔗

Child abuse, pure and simple.

265495 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Janice21, 17, #555 of 1931 🔗

People who can allow their natural instincts towards their own progeny to be overruled in this way do not deserve children – and more importantly, those children do not deserve to have such parents. The chilling truth however, as Stanley Milgram demonstrated in the early 1960s, is that very many people can be induced to cause harm to others if they think they are doing it for ‘the right reasons’. We are now hostages to the misapplication of behavioural psychology and need to wise up or lose our humanity.

265793 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hieronimusb, #556 of 1931 🔗

Well said. As that old saying goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

265605 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Janice21, 1, #557 of 1931 🔗

Is this not insanity?”

Yes

265669 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janice21, 1, #558 of 1931 🔗

Sorry but that is child abuse, can’t call them parents

265768 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Janice21, 2, #559 of 1931 🔗

The term “self isolate” does not mean isolation from one’s household.

266034 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Janice21, 7, #560 of 1931 🔗

This is a crime against humanity. Those who endorse it are complicit. I heard about a woman in New Zealand who was forced to quarantine after a positive PCR test result and placed in a quarantine centre. After a while of incarceration and prevented from leaving by guards she tried to kill herself – she was released

It’s worth remembering that solitary confinement is used as a punishment in prisons and that some people who are being forced to self isolate against their will are being driven to suicide – some succeeding

I despise the human race for its collective stupidity. I have more respect for dung beetles

265445 calchas, 8, #561 of 1931 🔗

We are all living in Jonestown.

It’s a cult.

265453 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #562 of 1931 🔗

I have an optimistic view on life, I believe it’s possible that I may live forever. Just because, as far as we can tell, everyone else dies doesn’t mean that I will. For those who may think that is a silly notion, I would ask show me the proof that I’m wrong. Short of murder there is no real way for somebody else to prove it.

In a similar vein I’d like some actual proof that if I was to live a normal life that I would cause somebody to become infected with this virus and for them to subsequently die. I’m not interested if it can be shown to have happened for somebody else, I want cast iron proof that it would definitely happen with me.

Where is the evidence proving beyond reasonable doubt that I am a danger to society? Where is the evidence that I can actually become infected in the first place? Where is the evidence that if I were to become infected that I would definitely pass it on to somebody else? Where is the evidence that if I were to become infected and pass it on that somebody would definitely die as a direct result?

Just like my belief that I may live forever we can never be sure that it will or won’t happen. So if you believe that I am a danger to society regarding this virus you must also believe, like me, that I may live forever.

265461 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #563 of 1931 🔗

Isn’t it funny that we all have to help to keep everyone else safe and yet to lift the economy we need people who will take risks. Disrupters, as they are known.

So either the world belongs to the risk takers who pull everyone up or we all die in misery as the fearful.

265498 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #564 of 1931 🔗

The burden of proof is now optional. Anything the coronavirus is the Black Death propagandists make up requires no proof. Anything that disagrees is beyond proof. And these rules apply even where the coronavirus is the Black Death propagandists contradict themselves.

265684 ▶▶▶ Stethetea, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #565 of 1931 🔗

This is, depressingly, so true. I’m in Liverpool and have just tried to explain to a close friend that the dramatic increase in testing had nothing to do with the fall in rates in the city because this was happening, steadily, for the 5 weeks prior to the mass testing. It didn’t matter. It also didn’t matter when I showed him the graph, this was some how more proof that it hard work… even when it clearly shows the rates going up upon the increase in testing??!

265701 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Stethetea, 1, #566 of 1931 🔗

You might care to ask them how testing for the virus removes the virus from an infected individual – not that I expect them to see the absurdity of their position. Boris Johnson made the same claim to the House of Commons and no one laughed, not one. The claims made to justify the coronavirus responses no longer even have to sound remotely plausible. This was demonstrated when they came up with face mask required when standing in a hospitality venue but not when seated and the ten o’clock rule. The propaganda is beyond satire.

265458 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #567 of 1931 🔗

The imposition of a fine before conviction is illegal under the Bill of Rights 1689, which has never been repealed; nor is it a dead letter, as can be seen by the fact that it was referred only last year by the Supreme Court in its judgement on the prorogation issue.

Another illustration of the arbitrary use of the law and power of the state and large employers is the ban on NHS staff using the media and social media. Anyone, even someone attempting to avoid such media, cannot but be aware that NHS staff have been a constant presence in the media and social media. Of course the ones with such carte blanche are pushing the official narrative.

Since March (although the foundations have been long in the making) the country has become totalitarian dictatorship, where ministerial preferences trump the rule of law and parliamentary accountability has become a farce, where rights and liberties have been reduced to a distant memory, where overtly holding the correct opinion is seen by the majority as the only safe position, and where any dissent from official narratives is construed, not as disagreement, but as mad, bad and dangerous, and is criminalised.

This totalitarianism has had one unintentional, albeit inevitable, consequence: the institutionalisation of hypocrisy. Every day, the establishment and its propagandists can be seen to behave contrary to what they preach. Yesterday, Doctor Hillary of Good Morning Britain, who has been assiduous in pushing the coronavirus is the Black Death narrative could be seen not practising social distancing. Today, he re-defined not social distancing as: being less than two metres apart for more than fifteen minutes. If it were not so serious, and deadly, and depressing, it would be hilarious. I suspect a new genre of dark humour will emerge before this madness passes: much like the dark humour that so many soviet citizens employed.

265660 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #568 of 1931 🔗

The imposition of a fine before conviction is illegal under the Bill of Rights 1689, which has never been repealed; nor is it a dead letter

How do you square this with the longstanding, widespread and routine use of speeding and parking tickets to impose fines without convictions?

265683 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 1, #569 of 1931 🔗

I have no idea why you appear to think it is incumbent upon me to justify unlawful activity.

They are illegal.

265706 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #570 of 1931 🔗

Didn’t ask for a justification, just an explanation.

Personally, I think the assertion that these tickets are illegal is likely to prove incorrect. I can understand the argument that they “should” be illegal, but given the consequences such a decision would have for the immense social structure of speeding and parking fines, I am pretty sure no Supreme Court justice would find in favour of your position. My experience of the law is that such disruptive judgements are vanishingly rare, unless they go with the flow of elite opinion (on politically correct or similar lines).

I have never investigated the issue so I don’t know if speeding/parking tickets have already been challenged on this basis or not. But I would be absolutely delighted if such a challenge were to succeed.

More likely imo would be a challenge on the basis that the specific law under which coronapanic tickets are issued is illegitimate.

265755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #571 of 1931 🔗

It is interesting that you say you don’t know and claim to know that they are not illegal. I assure you they are illegal and no one is legally required to pay them. So, why do people pay them – they pay them because the those handing them out threaten to take people to court if they refuse to pay them, and thus threatened people tend to make a risk benefit analysis and figure paying the fine is the lesser.

265782 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #572 of 1931 🔗

I didn’t “claim to know they are not illegal”, I wrote that I “ think the assertion that these tickets are illegal is likely to prove incorrect “.

You are correct obviously that “nobody is required to pay them” – that’s the whole basis of them. You always have the option to refuse to pay and contest in court. That’s not the same as saying they are “illegal” because they are “fines without conviction”.

I suspect that if challenged and if the challenge were to make it to the Supreme Court, it would find in support of them, probably on the basis mentioned below, that they are not actually fines, but rather offers to accept a lower sum, but quite possibly on some other basis. Law is complicated, and in practice at the highest levels quite subjective and open to personal interpretation by judges to suit elite assumptions and needs. Judges get promoted on two main grounds: ability to perform the challenging judicial function and reliability in interpreting issues in accord with elite assumptions and needs. That’s just reality.

265814 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #573 of 1931 🔗

reliability in interpreting issues in accord with elite assumptions and needs. That’s just reality.

That’s a Marxist analysis.

265853 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #574 of 1931 🔗

It’s not specifically or necessarily Marxist, though I suppose a Marxist analysis would talk about “class interest”.

It’s just an observation of reality, formed during decades of watching how the courts work, including working in fields using liability law and therefore involving extensive reading of judgements and interpretation thereof.

265714 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #575 of 1931 🔗

If you pay a fixed penalty ticket it is because you agree to do so. You can refuse it and take your case to court.

265747 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basileus, 1, #576 of 1931 🔗

I know.

265460 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #577 of 1931 🔗

Anyone else well up at that sketch at the top of today’s page?

265513 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #578 of 1931 🔗

I added a copper waiting in the background to attack. Dark times.

265640 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Eddy, #579 of 1931 🔗

Yes, copper attack the only real ‘risk’!

265467 Eddy, 4, #580 of 1931 🔗

The 4th Industrial Revolution – They’re Telling Us The Plan – David Icke
https://davidicke.com/2020/11/25/the-4th-industrial-revolution-theyre-telling-us-the-plan-david-icke/

265505 ▶▶ Paul E, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #582 of 1931 🔗

good man!

265562 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #583 of 1931 🔗

That’s exactly what people need to do, ask for the scientific evidence for each restriction.

265617 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #584 of 1931 🔗

Well, I posted this yesterday; no harm in posting it again today.

Interesting bit about hospitality (and the Gov’s hatred of it).

A chap on Github has got himself access to the Serco NHS T&T App API and has put some nice stats on his Github page: https://russss.github.io/covidtracker/app.html

The interesting thing is the number of ‘risky venues’ (as the app calls them). Since they started getting the suckers to report in at pubs, restaurants, and anywhere else offering QR codes for scanning, the system has identified a whole 12 venues . Yes, you read that correctly, 12.

More interesting is that 5 of them have been since the latest big shutdown started. (I wonder if they are in Wales.)

Remember, SAGE previously insisted that hospitality was one of the main drivers of the virus.

They have no proof hospitality venues are unsafe. Their own track and trace information says so.

265620 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #585 of 1931 🔗

He should also personally sue any officials who try to impose fines or measures without direct evidence.

265673 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to mhcp, 3, #586 of 1931 🔗

If all Ale houses did as you suggest this whole shit show would collapse within weeks.

265693 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #587 of 1931 🔗

It only needs to be selective. As the threat of being sued is enough to cause reluctance. It also is in keeping with frivalous lawsuits where accusations can be made without proof

265690 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #588 of 1931 🔗

Princess Nut Nuts certainly does!

265770 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to William Hand, #589 of 1931 🔗

With a red hot coal poker..

265955 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #590 of 1931 🔗

Really? Possibly the worst comment I’ve ever seen on LS. LS certainly ain’t what it used to be. People losing the plot altogether.

265471 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #591 of 1931 🔗

I can’t remember which of my fellow sceptics came up with the quote “There is no vaccine against death” but it is a brilliant overview of life.
My father in law died aged 49, my mother in law who is now 95, lost 2 brothers, one aged 5 days and the other aged 21, our “best man” died aged 64 and at least 3 of my work colleagues died before they reached 50 and my wife lost a friend who also did not live to see 50, and this is the same for anyone with family and friends anywhere,anytime.
I know that I “waffle on” but as it says in the bible ” In the midst of life, we are in death”.
Are people going to run away and hide every time somebody sneezes?
I do honestly think that the collaborating sheep think that they are going to live forever; well I’ve got news for you “sad gits” : NO, YOU AIN’T.

265527 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #592 of 1931 🔗

Derren Brown wrote an excellent book on Stoicism and had a few chapters on our attitudes to death. Highly recommended as it echoes much your thinking

265569 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to BeBopRockSteady, #593 of 1931 🔗

Thank you, I’ll check it out.

265594 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #594 of 1931 🔗

There is a massive immaturity about death these days.

265476 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 3, #595 of 1931 🔗

Having time on my hands I thought that I would continue to look at the deaths/ cases ratios for those countries in the northern Hemiphere that showed distinct Spring and Autumn waves of cases (bearing in mind the comments that “waves ” are environmental rather than intrinsic to virus MOD).
Curtting to the summary:
Country Ratio of deaths to reported cases (worldometer data to present)
1st Wave 2nd Wave 3rd Wave
UK 0.14 0.011
France 0.19 0.010
Italy 0.15 0.08
USA 0.064 0.019 0.0065
Germany 0.046 0.007
Belgium 0.16 0.012
Sweden 0.069 0.005
Ireland 0.069 0.006
Canada 0.076 0.054
Japan 0.059 0.009 0.008
Netherlands 0.12 0.007
Norway 0.028 0.002

Conclusions
Complicated , but I suspect that the difference in the values between the nations depends more on how that nation treats the most vulnerable (elderly and those with medical problems) and perhaps how much money is put into the health service ( whether private or nationalised) rather than on the degree of severity of restrictions.

265780 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to mikewaite, 1, #596 of 1931 🔗

Charted it up for you Mike – What stands out is Italy – what is going on there? much less of a reduction than other countries ??

265477 Adam, 6, #597 of 1931 🔗

The best Christmas present of 2020 will be the resignations of Johnson and Hancock

265484 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 13, #598 of 1931 🔗

Isn’t it funny how the supposed 500,000 Covid deaths appears to be around 50,000 over 9 months if you use the current reporting.

4000 deaths a day is reflected by 400 deaths a day over the last month (using official gov figures)

So with the vague reporting and attribution there is still a 10 fold difference.

Now where did we see that order of magnitude difference before? Foot and mouth?

This has all been bullshit. Bullshit vague reporting and exagerrating facts for politics internal and countrywide.

265512 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mhcp, #599 of 1931 🔗

Imperial were out by a factor of between 10 and 12 on UK and Sweden.

To me that consistent inconsistency shows that they are tracking something correctly in terms of change, but a key parameter is massively inflated.

And that’s just data analysis 101. Not looking at anything apart from how a number or analysis reflects the reality.

265624 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #600 of 1931 🔗

It does. And if they realise what it is they could save themselves. It would then be manageable.

The problem now is that owners are waking up to what hasn’t been talked about: the burden of proof in criminal cases is on the accuser. For action you must demonstrate actual harm not modelled harm.

265572 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to mhcp, 2, #601 of 1931 🔗

But remember they were just projections! We’ve destroyed our way of life over projections that have all been proven wrong.

265491 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 17, #602 of 1931 🔗

The covidfanatics are doing the governments work for them by giving their consent to control us. The selfishness is beyond belief, because while they sanctimoniously proclaim, ‘if it saves one life’, they are condemning thousands to an early death because treatments are delayed or stopped for other serious conditions. I feel like ripping their stupid masks off their virtue signalling faces, rub them in the dirt and put slap them back on them for all the good they do and all the harm they are doing.

265502 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #603 of 1931 🔗

You’re too kind. I had more of a vision of the electric chair during a water shortage.

265621 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to captainbeefheart, #604 of 1931 🔗

Agreed. Think of the execution in The Green Mile where Percy, the incompetent guard, didn’t wet the sponge placed on the inmates head and the inmate fried.

265507 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan Clarke, 20, #605 of 1931 🔗

I’ve actually heard someone say “I don’t care if masks might not work. It still signals my care for others”

I don’t know how you diagnose that kind of irrational mindset.

265516 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #606 of 1931 🔗

Brain dead

265593 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #607 of 1931 🔗

You assume a mind.

265764 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #608 of 1931 🔗

“Caring for others” is a pretty slippery slope. By that logic – should you physically intervene and stop people drinking alcohol, or even fizzy drinks? smoking? eating big bars of chocolate? what about playing tennis? – even a poor lineswoman got injured the other week with a tennis ball by the world #1…!

265493 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #609 of 1931 🔗

Any advice please. I have type 2 diabetes, controlled by diet. I had an appointment today to see the diabetic nurse. I turned up at the surgery with my exemption card, had my temperature taken and was told to put on a mask. I said I was exempt and they said the BMJ had stated nobody was exempt and I had to wear one. I said ok kick me out and went into reception. The diabetic nurse came out and said I had to wear a mask. I said I wasn’t playing their silly games and walked out.

I now expect to be expelled from my GPS practice. Does anybody know where I stand? Has the BMJ said nobody is exempt?

265503 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #610 of 1931 🔗

That’s outright lies. Shocking behaviour.

265517 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Smelly Melly, 11, #611 of 1931 🔗

That is shocking! Get a good solicitor and scream disability discrimination. I am sure there will be many on here with great advice for you.
What if someone is autistic or has PTSD from a rape ordeal……and they are getting this sort of treatment. Disgusted for you.
I have not worn a mask on two occasions in medical environments, nurse who I saw yesterday never batted an eyelid.

265521 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #612 of 1931 🔗

Do they mean the BMA? BMJ is just a journal. If they mean BMA, they are lying as the BMA specifically tells doctors not to issue exemption letters as it is sufficient to verbally confirm that you are exempt. You need to write to them telling them that their action is in direct contravention of the Equalities Act.

Good information on the Act here https://www.stammeringlaw.org.uk/services/reasonable-adjustments-service-providers/face-coverings-coronavirus/#reas

265529 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #613 of 1931 🔗

Could be BMA but I’m sure she said BMJ.

265534 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #614 of 1931 🔗

In that case she’s stupid as well as wrong. Either way, you can tell them that you are prepared to take action against them under the Equalities Act. Ask them if they have made reasonable adjustments to allow people with hidden disabilities that preclude mask wearing to access their services. Ask them to document those adjustments. Then instruct a solicitor

265526 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #615 of 1931 🔗

The British Medical Journal (BMJ) does not have any such authority. The practice is clearly in the wrong. It is behaving contrary to both law and Guidance. Whether the BMJ ever said nobody was exempt, I seriously doubt it, but I have not read every word it has published, and I rather suspect that the people who told you this nonsense had not read it in the BMJ or from any authoritative source: I suspect they made it up. I would suggest you email a complaint to the practice and include a link to the government’s Guidance on face coverings.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

265539 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #616 of 1931 🔗

I would suggest making sure your email goes to someone named – the Practice Manager or the Senior Partner among the doctors, or both of them, rather than use a generic surgery email.

265528 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #617 of 1931 🔗

Might they have said BMA, rather than BMJ? BMJ is the British Medical Journal – published by the BMA (British Medical Association). Neither have the power to set health policy, so the claim is spurious. If they have taken the decision as a medical practice, based on advice from either source then they need to be clear about that but as an NHS service I doubt that they can set policies like this autonomously.

I would calmly ask them for their policy and the reasons for it in writing so you can see what you are really dealing with. If you want to avoid any risk of being de-registered you could perhaps state that you were taken by surprise since you were following Government advice about exemptions and would like to clear up any misunderstandings.

265586 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #618 of 1931 🔗

I think that’s the case : BM A , not BM J.

265542 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #619 of 1931 🔗

BMJ, BMA, whoever – not relevant. Doctors do not work for the BMA, they work for the NHS.

265618 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Smelly Melly, #620 of 1931 🔗

I wasn’t aware that the BMJ was a law making authority.

265631 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #621 of 1931 🔗

The law on face coverings specifically says that places practicing medical stuff do not require them to be worn:

Exemptions for places other than shops:

7 Premises (other than registered pharmacies) providing wholly or mainly medical or dental services, audiology services, chiropody, chiropractic, osteopathic, optometry or other medical services including services relating to mental health.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/made

And don’t forget this classic from the BMA to myself in writing:

We appreciate that this is an area in which there is little high-quality empirical evidence. There is, for example, a lack of randomised control trials showing that mask wearing is effective (either indoors or outdoors).

265659 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #622 of 1931 🔗

If you are exempt you are exempt despite any internal policies they might have. Might help to keep a copy of the Government face covering regs with you at all times.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

Note: The Government has updated the above face coverings link – it will be good to get comment on that

265724 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Smelly Melly, #623 of 1931 🔗

I’m sceptical that the BMJ did make such a statement for many reasons.

Not least being the fact that Carl Heneghan is a regular contributor of BMJ articles and is (or was) BMJ Editor-in Chief for Evidence based medicine.

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-editor-in-chief-for-bmj-evidence-based-medicine/

CH is known to be sceptical of the effectiveness of mask wearing.

265756 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Smelly Melly, #624 of 1931 🔗

That’s dreadful,they were fine with me being mask exempt when Ihad an appointment at the local hospital.

265500 John Stone, 2, #625 of 1931 🔗

What will happen if people are harmed by these new vaccine products: the government can deny it, those reporting anything will be characterised as “antivaxxers” and safety will be vindicated. By casting people in the role of “antivaxxers” the government is engaging in a game of prejudice which could be used to obscure the truth. I think LockdownSceptics should not be drawn into borrowing such language with so much governmental incompetence and deceit about.

265501 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 11, #626 of 1931 🔗

Just listening to Jamie Jenkins, who’s a former head of health data in the ONS, and he just sums up the problem.

He assumes that people being tested positive means they have Covid. He assumes that people dying of or from Covid may have caught it in the hospital.

Hang on. You need to definitely attribute Covid by eliminating other conditions before that becomes a Covid death. Because as we have seen relabelling the flu is just fraud.

265524 ▶▶ anon, replying to mhcp, #627 of 1931 🔗

does jamie not know the meaning of a diagnosis?

jamie jenkins, the former head of HEALTH data in the office of national statistics.

265581 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 2, #628 of 1931 🔗

He assumes that people being tested positive means they have Covid”

Yes – this is just counter-factual.

It is one of the details that is at the root of the Covid data scam, which – if you remember – started with death registration being slackened so that no-one could quote accurate figures for deaths from ‘Covid’.

265598 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, 1, #629 of 1931 🔗

It really is Rick. It always comes down to how things are measured. Always does.

265506 davews, replying to davews, 3, #630 of 1931 🔗

Not sure if the final details of the Christmas arrangements have appeared yet – is this another Bill to be voted in Parliament? Engineering work on the railways presumably will wreck most peoples plans anyway. Although I could drive, if I went by train to my brother in Melton Mowbray (which I did last year) the journey up on December 23 or 24th is no problem assuming there are seats and reservations. To return on the 27th or (which I would prefer) on the Monday, 28th, is no go. No trains between Peterborough and Kings Cross and currently no bus replacements planned. Trains Melton Mowbray to both Peterborough and Leicester replaced by buses. There is guaranteed to be chaos…

265715 ▶▶ kf99, replying to davews, 1, #631 of 1931 🔗

Massive works at Kings Cross over xmas, been planned for years. Of course in British Rail days trains would have been diverted (St Pancras perhaps?) Impossible now in our fragmented system. BR’s jobs was to move people and goods. Modern operators’ job is to fulfill the small print of a contract.

265511 Paul E, replying to Paul E, 3, #632 of 1931 🔗

My email to Richard Burgon MP, feel free to copy, paste, amend, edit etc and send to your local MP re: the wholesale closing of the hospitality sector:

Good afternoon Mr Burgon,

I want to understand what your stance will be for the easing of lockdown that is planned to be announced this afternoon?

What is your stance on pubs, restaurants and general hospitality?
We are coming into December now, a traditionally busy time for this sector and the very real threat exists, particularly in Yorkshire of no hospitality being open due to potential tier 3 restrictions. Is this something you and Labour are happy to support?

On Saturday, two things happened to me.
1) I ran into Leeds city centre from home, a run of about 8 miles and got to Leeds at 1045am. Saturday morning, Leeds is absolutely soulless. Shops empty, coffee shops empty, train station eerily quiet. I got the 1054am train from Leeds to Cross Gates. There was one other person on it.

2) After getting off at Cross Gates I had a chat with an old chap in his late 70s who I see occasionally in a local pub. Lovely guy. He goes for a pint on a Thursday and Friday night meeting some old pals, all in their 60s and 70s. His wife is housebound and he now has to catch the bus for a couple of hours to get out. He can’t go for a pint, no zoom, nothing. We are destroying people’s mental health and friendships with these ludicrous restrictions.

There is no reason not to open pubs and restaurants from 2nd December.
People should have to book, be temperature checked when they arrive, be sat at a designated table and good management should ensure people don’t mix.

Think of places in East Leeds Mr Burgon that may not be able to re-open from 2 Dec, La Cantina, Zorba’s, The Brown Cow, The Station, The Devon, Wetherspoons, The Barnbow, Woodman, Leodis, Travellers, Cafes such as those in The Arndale, Traceys Lite Bites, Pizza Hut, Harvester, Miller and Carter at Garforth, Thorpe Park Restaurant, Francos, i could go on…

These venues employ hundreds of people, entertain hundreds of people, contribute to the economy by way of taxation and have a presence in their communities. How many will be gone in 2021?

I urge you Mr Burgon to ask your leader and the Government to have pubs and restaurants open from 2nd December across all tiers.

265547 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Paul E, 15, #633 of 1931 🔗

I don’t disagree with much of what you say but “ People should have to book, be temperature checked when they arrive, be sat at a designated table and good management should ensure people don’t mix. ” is not a lot of fun. The whole point of a public house is the opportunity to interact (or not) with people you have never seen before and may never see again.

265564 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 8, #634 of 1931 🔗

Agreed. Concede barmy ideas as a compromise, and you concede the basic argument.

… and the basic argument is clear : this virus is not exceptional in any definable way.

265607 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to arfurmo, 8, #635 of 1931 🔗

Yes. agree. Don’t forget – these venues have literally spent millions, and hundreds of working hours, making every single thing “covid secure.” For the Gov to tell them now they, for all intents & purposes, in many cases, can’t carry on business & will go under – is as ludicrous as it is heartbreaking.

265647 ▶▶▶ Paul E, replying to arfurmo, 1, #636 of 1931 🔗

appreciate the reply arfurmo

266024 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to arfurmo, 2, #637 of 1931 🔗

If I have to do all that crap I will never go to a pub again. I won’t be treated like a biohazard

265576 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Paul E, 7, #638 of 1931 🔗

There is no reason not to open pubs and restaurants from 2nd December.
People should have to book, be temperature checked when they arrive, be sat at a designated table and good management should ensure people don’t mix.

This gives the nonsense far too much credence imo. Granted you might argue it’s a case of placating the fearful, but imo that’s just supporting the fearmongering at the heart of our problem.

If there needs to be some response to the current situation, it should be that prospective customers are asked to stay at home if they have symptomatic illness, and that should then be left on trust, with no infantilising nonsense about temperature checking and coerced distancing. It should be left to businesses to decide if they want to go further in order to reassure the fearful.

Let “the market” (ie free choices made by grownups) decide which is preferred.

265646 ▶▶▶ Paul E, replying to Mark, 1, #639 of 1931 🔗

appreciate the reply

265663 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Mark, 6, #640 of 1931 🔗

The fearful – fuck em!

Bottom line is simple, if you have a problem with any lack of controls you might think should be in place – stay home!

As far as I know, no-one has been forced to go anywhere they are not comfortable going, no-one has been forced to NOT wear a mask, no-one has been forced to break lockdown rules against their will.

The converse however is very true, people are forced against their will to wear masks and comply with ridiculous draconian rules if they wish to live any kind of normal life. 2020 = 1984

265578 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul E, 10, #641 of 1931 🔗

People should have to book, be temperature checked when they arrive, be sat at a designated table and good management should ensure people don’t mix.

Sorry, but no; that’s just insane! Go through all that just to pop in for a pint on the way home from work. Suggestions like that just legitimise their argument. No way!

265644 ▶▶▶ Paul E, replying to Ceriain, 2, #642 of 1931 🔗

appreciate the response

265681 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul E, 1, #643 of 1931 🔗

I did agree with everything else you said, Paul; just not that bit. 🙂

265615 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Paul E, 5, #644 of 1931 🔗

Temperature check proves nothing – in fact, it has been pointed out that ladies at a certain phase of their life would fail such checks!

265641 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #645 of 1931 🔗

ladies ‘people who menopause’ at a certain phase of their life

Fixed that for you, in case the woke are watching. 😉

265642 ▶▶▶ Paul E, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #646 of 1931 🔗

Thanks for the feedback

265518 davews, replying to davews, 21, #647 of 1931 🔗

I am about to lose it with my friend Mike. Talking with him yesterday he said he had been out for a walk with his two friends, but had to do two separate walks, first with one then the second, to avoid the two maximum people outside rule. Then he said he had taken the car out and was planning to stop at either Saville Gardens or Windsor Great Park but found both car parks jammed solid and there were so many people there that ‘it was just not safe’. We must get the message through that the virus is not lurking in every corner and not out to get you in the open but so many have been driven scared stiff by the media nonsense they totally believe it. I despair.

265530 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to davews, 10, #648 of 1931 🔗

Play him at his own potty covid game:

Tell him that you only want postal interaction in future. This will keep you both safe until the virus is over.

265559 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Eddy, 3, #649 of 1931 🔗

But surely only if you treat the envelopes as infectious until you have ‘disarmed’ them?

265585 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Eddy, 4, #650 of 1931 🔗

Noooo he has to lick the stamp eeeew! Superspreader

265627 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #651 of 1931 🔗

Stamps are self-sticky nowadays. Are you an MP?

265533 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to davews, 10, #652 of 1931 🔗

You’re right to despair. We just can’t get through the log jam in these peoples minds. What gets me is that dead behind the eyes look when you try to offer up ‘the facts’….

265537 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to T. Prince, 8, #653 of 1931 🔗

Or worse, one of those smirks that suggests they think you’re mad. Even though this could well adversely affect me too, I’m looking forward to the tsunami that will engulf them soon.

265566 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #654 of 1931 🔗

I know that look too well, some people are still sucked in by the narrative. If that really is the majority position I’m not hopeful for any ‘tsunami’.

265614 ▶▶ davews, replying to davews, 5, #655 of 1931 🔗

Note this was a phone conversation, I have only seen him and his wife two or three times since March and each time they made sure they were generously ‘social distanced’. I gather they are in the set that only do online supermarket shopping which they disinfect and quarantine all their post for three days. Before the pandemic they spent all their time on world cruises, were actually on one in March when it started. Intelligent chap and amazed he can’t see the nonsense.

265675 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to davews, 7, #656 of 1931 🔗

An

Intelligent chap

does NOT

do online supermarket shopping which they disinfect and quarantine all their post for three days

265635 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to davews, 2, #657 of 1931 🔗

Nothing you can do but tell him to stay in and hide behind the sofa

265850 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to davews, 2, #658 of 1931 🔗

I have arranged to go hiking with a friend later this week, he says that he has stopped watching MSM but from our conversations clearly either he is already indoctrinated with the message or he is still feeding on MSM.

We talked about where we are going to go walking and the next question from him, do we take separate cars?, I said it is a pointless waste of fuel etc., are but are we allowed to ride share.

Feeling that my own company may be the best medicine.

265519 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #659 of 1931 🔗

I’ve been thinking again about the Oxford/AZ vaccine claim of 90% efficacy from them having broken their own protocols and made a mistake and half dosed some of the vaccine group in the first jab. In particular why we should be worried about that rather than thinking it was a fortuitous mistake. Hang in there, long post but the punchline is near the end in bold.

Oxford tell us there were 131 covid-19 ‘cases’ in their trial indicating there were 30 positives in the vaccine group (right or wrong dose) and 101 in the control group, assuming equal numbers in each group. And we think there were about 24,000 participants in total.

So if the ‘efficacy’ in the overall vaccine group was 70.4%, but with 90% in the wrong dose group and 62% in the right dose group then that implies the following.

101 positives in the control group (50% of all participants, about 12,000)
3 positives in the wrong dose group (making up about 15% of all participants, about 3,600)
27 positives in the right dose group (making up about 35% of all participants, about 8,400)

Now let’s suppose that when the trial commenced they were seeing a lot of adverse affects from the jab, we know of the two transverse myelitis cases for example

So they said let’s reduce the dose to reduce the adverse affects and give a half dose.
When that happens they get 30 positives in total in the vaccine group (split proportionately as 9 in the wrong dose group and 21 in the right dose group) that meant an overall efficacy of 70.4%. This assumption that they deliberately change the dose isn’t even needed, the lower dose may just have been a dosing mistake.

Someone looks at the results and says 70.4% is not good enough.

So they decide to change the records to reallocate 6 of the positive tests from the wrong dose group to the right dose group. As there are only 6 switches needed they find this easy to do, and so we end up with the 3/27 split above rather than a 9/21 split. Because the wrong dosing was never in the trial protocol the protections aren’t there to stop this switch happening; they are only there to protect positives from the vaccine group being reallocated to the control group. And this switch may be unknown to most working on the vaccine project.

They then claim that because there were only 3 covid-19 cases in the wrong dose group (vs 27 in the right dose group) that is 90% efficacy in the wrong dose group and that it is statistically very significant that the number of positives in the wrong dose group is so low vs the positives in the right dose group, which would be true.

So to summarise all they have to do is switch 6 of the positive tests in the wrong dose group to the right dose group and suddenly you can claim your vaccine has 90% efficacy rather than 70.4% efficacy and you can use lower doses that have hopefully lower short-term side-affects.

Now I’m not suggesting for one moment that this is what has happened. But I am saying that this sort of thing could happen if you mess up the trial and give the wrong dose to some because the protections in the trial design don’t obviously protect you from someone making such a switch deliberately or accidentally. And that’s why in my view you can’t authorise such a vaccine on the basis of the messed up trial.

I can’t see anything other than a full retrial based on the lower dosing being needed.

265574 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #660 of 1931 🔗

You are right, there needs to be a retrial. However this will prove impossible as covid is gone, use of PCR test to confirm infections is probably not far from being stopped( cases like reiner fuellmich) .
My guess is FDA will not approve but I wouldn’t be surprised if MHRA waves it through.

265579 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #661 of 1931 🔗

I agree with the final two paragraphs. There’s no way any regulator should license anything based on results coming from outside the trial protocol, for whatever reason. Apart from anything else (and there’s plenty else, as you say), you have to think about the precedent it would set.

265583 ▶▶ Professor, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #662 of 1931 🔗

There is always a problem when low numbers are involved, as plus/minus a few positives then make a major difference to the headline result. This is why trials need to involve large numbers, as was the way this was designed before they messed up the dosing. Retrospectively building some form of ‘subgroup analysis’ into the interpretation, as they have done, was certainly not part of the original trial design.

It is noted that roughly 3,000 subjects took the accidental dose (and I have seen elsewhere that the precise number is 2,741, which is tiny), however the composition of this group and whether it is representative relative to the control set is unknown.

I tend to agree that in any other circumstances a retrial would be required by the regulators. But the decision will be political, not scientific.

265718 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Professor, 1, #663 of 1931 🔗

That’s a really important point that those getting the ‘wrong’ dose probably aren’t likely to be a random sample of the vaccine group generally.

So the lower positives in the ‘wrong’ dose group may just reflect they were generally more likely to be living in a country or region with low prevalence than the ‘right’ dose group. After all the ‘wrong’ dose was presumably administered at specific innoculation centres so must be geographically biased. What control group did they compare the ‘wrong’ dose vaccinated with, those at the same innoculation centre or all of the control group?

265634 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #664 of 1931 🔗

smoke and mirrors

265923 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #665 of 1931 🔗

Whilst I am seriously sceptical about any of the vaccines being what it says on the label, some of the worlds greatest scientific discoveries were accidents. They just weren’t rolled out globally 2 months later mainly benefitting the pockets of their investors. Id have people looking at how much stock in these companies that Wancock and others in the cabinet have being held (or even gifted) by other parties on their behalf.

265525 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 7, #666 of 1931 🔗

Yes, Ivor Cummins latest video is very sinister indeed. We have to ask why is a public health twonk zoom calling school kids to discuss future public health policy…permanent wrist bands and annual lockdowns for flu…??!!!!

265546 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to T. Prince, 4, #667 of 1931 🔗

Because he is a big pharma shill and media celeb in Ireland. He is also insane and a danger to society:

https://freepress.ie/2020/10/luke-oneill-a-trojan-horse-for-british-vaccine-scam/

265553 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to T. Prince, 3, #668 of 1931 🔗

These absolute Tools are drawn to environments where they believe they can at least sound viable on young minds

265633 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to T. Prince, #669 of 1931 🔗

Well done by brainwashing kids – wonder if they will eventually realise there is no food on the table as lockdowns just dont stop.

This brainwashing is for the acceptance of the HealthID

265532 Bungle, 11, #670 of 1931 🔗

We need momentum to turn the tide and I think students/the young are the ones to do it. Keep showing them the government exemption badge and reason “very distressed having to put a mask on”. Everyone should be distressed when they know “cloth masks increase re-infection, according to Carl Heneghan.

265543 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #671 of 1931 🔗

Check this out… apparently MMR wards off Covid-19. I have cynical reservations about why this study has come to the fore!

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201120091157.htm?fbclid=IwAR2rOzLxOKpqulaBXR_wA7ORSTEiGMkj7zPuTCvwyaWET7_rAl_MxEkEuoI

265630 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, #672 of 1931 🔗

Ha ha. They have tried for so long to vaccinate all with the MMR

265834 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Victoria, #673 of 1931 🔗

I know, I also laughed when I saw it!

I don’t think I’ll trust anonymous published science again.

265544 alw, replying to alw, 3, #674 of 1931 🔗

Excellent on vaccines from the BMJ
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

265571 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to alw, 7, #675 of 1931 🔗

Hospital admissions and deaths from covid-19 are simply too uncommon in the population being studied for an effective vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences in a trial of 30 000 people. The same is true of its ability to save lives or prevent transmission: the trials are not designed to find out.

The virus isn’t prevalent enough for the manufacturers to be able to assess whether it is effective or not. And of course this (along with the drastically truncated time frame) also means they cannot know whether it is safe or not.

265582 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #676 of 1931 🔗

Which also means there is no need for the vaccine.

265601 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to merlin, 3, #677 of 1931 🔗

The risk of dying with the coronavirus mirrors the risk of dying even if the virus did not exist.

265609 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #678 of 1931 🔗

So, the existence of the virus cannot be detected in the mortality data.

When is a deadly virus not a deadly virus?

265667 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 1, #679 of 1931 🔗

The deadly virus is a propaganda construct.

265679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to calchas, -5, #680 of 1931 🔗

There has been an uptick in recent weeks.

265722 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, #681 of 1931 🔗

Can this be explained by rona patients? Euromomo shows an uptick but filtering on age bands reveals its not really driven by the older generation

265545 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 7, #682 of 1931 🔗

The Russian and Chinese vaccines, Sputnik & Sinoprick, are a lot cheaper than the other stuff and their adoption would save the NHS tens of billions.

China is the only world economy to grow in 2020, by the way.

And Teddy WHO says that rolling lockdowns will go on forever, jab or no jab.

Game, set and Sun Tzu.

265558 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Stuart, 2, #683 of 1931 🔗

What a surprise that the Russians have come out to say that their vaccine is also 90%+ effective.

Miracles are happening everywhere.

265606 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Stuart, #684 of 1931 🔗

Apparently Nabarro from the WHO is telling governments not to do lockdowns.

265552 Paul, replying to Paul, 17, #685 of 1931 🔗

I hope slimy Gove has been in contact with the Rona about it’s Christmas break.
It is beyond my comprehension that a lot of people are scared shitless of the ‘deadly virus’ everyday but believe it will leave them alone for Christmas but then come back afterwards,I’ve said to people, if you accept you will be okay at Christmas you are okay now and every other day,but it does get through to them.

265654 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Paul, 7, #686 of 1931 🔗

Well, they apparently believed that when standing in a hospitality venue the virus would attack if they did not wear a mask, but would leave them alone if seated in the same venue. And they apparently believed that was “the science”.

265822 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #687 of 1931 🔗

My sister understands that ruling, she says it is about people passing each other but you are safe when you are sat down!. I honestly feel like running out into the street and screaming at the top of my voice, simply to release my frustration and anger. I am a ticking time bomb, I don’t go to the shops now as I know that the first person who even gave me a dirty look for being unmuzzled would get it all guns blazing.

I have been sat here for hours now, mostly staring into space. I can’t be bothered to move or do anything productive. They are certainly winning the battle with me if the end game was to drive us into depression and despair.

265719 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Paul, 3, #688 of 1931 🔗

The virus only attacks protesters. Shoppers are OK.

265554 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 18, #689 of 1931 🔗

There’s fury and anger at Boris Johnson on the backbenches about this. He doesn’t seem to care about the economic impact all of this is having. There’s going to be a major revolt.

We’ll see. The last time we heard noises like this about the renewal of the Coronavirus Act, only a paltry smattering of MPs ended up actually rebelling.

If these new restrictions are approved (as they surely will be with the supine Labour party in “opposition”) then it will be the final confirmation for me that the political system in this country is irreparably broken, and will no longer be a vehicle for change.

That then leaves the legal system. Again, I am expecting every single one of the cases currently being brought to fail.

So where does that leave us? Without recourse to any political or legal remedy using the existing institutions, which are no longer fit for purpose. The only option left – and this is where it gets really challenging – is to build new systems from scratch ourselves.

265560 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 9, #690 of 1931 🔗

Businesses need to say now that this government, on dodgy data, is not going to ruin them

265570 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #691 of 1931 🔗

Another system that has failed us. The vast majority of corporations are bending over backwards to comply. It will be left to small businesses to carry the baton for themselves.

265587 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 7, #692 of 1931 🔗

The corporations, if what we hear is true, are what the government is happy to keep, small and medium business, are not and yes on their own to sink or swim, comply or go bust

265590 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 7, #693 of 1931 🔗

Indeed, many big businesses know that for them it is a bit of short term pain to pick up market share in the long term. There will be much fewer independent businesses in the future.

Many won’t take the risk of entrepreneurship given how small business has been treated and that lockdown will be the default worldwide policy going forwards.

265555 jakehadlee, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #694 of 1931 🔗

I think this is one of the most appalling things I’ve seen so far. This man should be struck off https://twitter.com/DrKenRemy1/status/1330125769461424128

265561 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #695 of 1931 🔗

Comments are scary.

265626 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, #696 of 1931 🔗

even CBS news wants to feature his video – Stardom at last!!!!

265643 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Victoria, #697 of 1931 🔗

Which is what he wanted. It was entirely about attention seeking and nothing about medicine

265704 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jakehadlee, #698 of 1931 🔗

What an awful video. People being gagged for speaking out while the fear machine rumbles on.

265556 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 1, #699 of 1931 🔗

Boris has appointed his own Goebbels.

https://twitter.com/NeilDotObrien

265577 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ceriain, 2, #700 of 1931 🔗

Doesn’t look good from his Twitter page, criticising the OBR and he also appears to be a Guardian reader.

265603 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Darryl, 1, #701 of 1931 🔗

he also appears to be a Guardian reader

Yeah, I thought that a bit strange, too. I think we’ve reached the stage where the government now agrees with anyone who agrees with them.

265584 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ceriain, 1, #702 of 1931 🔗

Another one who’ll say anything to get the job

265692 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 1, #703 of 1931 🔗

Some of the stuff on there. Just had to get off it. One post saying that the relaxation of Christmas rules is a plot to push up cases and continue lockdowns. Don’t fall for it! Stay home. Save lives. The there is this.

265720 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #704 of 1931 🔗

What he seems to forget is that, that graph he shows, proves the tier system didn’t make any difference.

He also doesn’t mention that ‘case’ numbers can be manipulated by dropping daily testing, e,g,

19/11     395,436 tests
20/11     391,667 tests
21/11     369,040 tests
22/11     279,041 tests
23/11     212,533 tests

See Neil. we can see right through you, knobend!

265563 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 12, #705 of 1931 🔗

The Met police have been busy arresting single women outside parliament again today. Seem to require a ratio of about a dozen officers to 1 protestor (or just a women drinking a coffee by the look of it). Of course the media will continue to fool people that it is all about safety and not control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12fpec8R9vs

265588 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, 12, #706 of 1931 🔗

Under the statue of Churchill too. He was no saint but he knew a totalitarian regime when he saw one.

265602 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Darryl, 10, #707 of 1931 🔗
265628 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, 4, #708 of 1931 🔗

I’m sure they’ll be pleased to see me back again on Saturday :o))

266004 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nick Rose, #709 of 1931 🔗

Yes, I too have missed seeing the Territorial Support Group thugs for a few weeks. I expect they have been down Aldershot training with the Army to prepare to face a mixture of peaceful men, women and children.

265662 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Darryl, 5, #710 of 1931 🔗

Brave, aren’t they. And lots of them too …

265969 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Darryl, 1, #711 of 1931 🔗

Standing drinking coffee, how dangerous!

I really don’t know how so many cops (not just the Met) can sleep at night the way they treat people nowadays. They must have a very bizarre sense of right and wrong.

I had a family member in the Met (long retired now) who was engaged in catching real terrorists in a specialist unit in the late 70s and 80s.

I know he can’t even look at what’s going on these days without utter disgust and contempt for what passes as a “Police Officer” now.

I know there have always been “wrong uns” in all forces, but they were generally a minority, not so sure now.

Sadly I don’t have a lot of hope for any future improvement.

266010 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to dhid, #712 of 1931 🔗

The sad thing is that they really seem to enjoy and believe in what they are doing. Priti Patel comes out with the same rubbish about them being in a dangerous situation. I honestly don’t think they would say no to carrying out any order particularly the TSG unit.

266100 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Darryl, #713 of 1931 🔗

Yes I’ve seen that where I live on the south coast, they seem like a bunch of school bullies enjoying pushing people around for the hell of it, even when what they do to people is very questionable legally.

They don’t seem to care or worry in any way, about potential consequences.

The TSG is another ball game altogether – utter thugs.

265573 Biker, replying to Biker, 14, #714 of 1931 🔗

The “vaccine” will be “offered” like a communion wafer and we’ll be back to “normal” by Easter. If normal means having the Church of Rome in control of the world.
Like a Phoenix i will run into the sun with a roar of a thousand Trumpets played behind me by winged lions with bear feet. Hardly a cheep will be made by the birdies below as the newspaper is changed on the bottom of their cage… Joe “jesuit” Biden is installed in the Masonic White House and like magic, darkness devours light and a new age will be born. Without doubt a year long Moloch worshiping ceremony has been going on.
I understand the black magic of Sturgeon and Johnstone and for their part they will pay a heavy toll. As we speak i am building two life size voodoo dolls so on the night of the Winter Solstice as i’m debasing my White Goddess i can fire my life giving force into her and stick the voodoo dolls with blades made by Doug Marcaida. With the power of Tom Cruise’s giant Gold Medal of Valour with the purple ribbon i will summon up the power of every Eagle that has ever lived and swoop down upon Moloch and snap off his beak… Light will once again return to Englands green and pleasant land.
For this is not certain, nothing is written and as we speak certain individuals are hunting me. I won’t be found. For this i too will pay a heavy toll, and uncharacteristically, i don’t feel bad about aiding the salvation of humanity. I did toil with the idea of letting you all die so i’d be left alone for eternity but really some of you are beautiful and soft and warm and moist and what’s a poor boy to do? Even though i’m over 800 years old (some of them are nearly two thousand years old) you wouldn’t know it. Reminiscent of The Picture of Dorian Gray i have used Mick Jagger’s face to etch all my excesses so i remain a prime mover…. i will have some trouble defeating the worshipers of Moloch in their entirely though. When four fifths of the planet still believe in one of their Jesuit Gods it’s a long fight for freedom for the individual. They think they are Owls, alert, fast and dangerous but i can talk to the owls and i know not all owls are on the side of Moloch.
This battle has been a long one for me. I’ve been doing it for nearly 800 years now. It’s ok for you, you live barely three score and ten, not quite long enough to know the whole story. There have been terrible times in the past and will be again. Nothing is knowable except this, they feed on you and they use you to work to keep them living like Pharos. Join me and others like me and build voodoo dolls and torment those among you who know of us and collaborate with us to enslave you……

265589 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Biker, 3, #715 of 1931 🔗

Did you have an extra can last night, Biker? 😉

Excellent, btw. 👍

265591 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Biker, 2, #716 of 1931 🔗

Any thoughts on the additional significance of the Winter Solstice this year?

265610 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Biker, #717 of 1931 🔗

Whose faces will be on the dolls? Just curious.

265676 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Biker, 3, #718 of 1931 🔗

you’re back! Smite the great Satan!

265695 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Biker, 3, #719 of 1931 🔗

Yay Biker – good to see you’re back! 🙂

266038 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Biker, 1, #720 of 1931 🔗

welcome back Biker!

266276 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, #721 of 1931 🔗

Really, just about sums it all up!!

265580 Gill, replying to Gill, 5, #722 of 1931 🔗

I’ve just had another letter from the NHS reminding me to have the flu vaccine. That’s 3 in total, 2 from my GP and this latest one from ‘NHS England and NHS Improvement’ looking very official with ‘Private & Confidential’ and ‘Important Healthcare Information Enclosed’ emblazoned across the envelope.

Now I’m not against the flu vaccine, I’ve had it a few times before and may even do so again this year, but I haven’t decided yet. I’m very fit, generally healthy and they must know this given that I rarely see my GP. I don’t tend to bother the NHS much so why do they keep bothering me?

265597 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Gill, 6, #723 of 1931 🔗

Getting you into the vaccine mood.

I have never had a flu jab, and I have had mild flu twice in the last 16 years

No anti-vaxxer here. I have had plenty.

If I consider the balnce of costs and benefits to be positive, then I take it.

Otherwise not – simple as that.

265670 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to calchas, 2, #724 of 1931 🔗

Neither have I had a flu jab, and haven’t, to my knowledge, ever had flu.

I spent many years working in a company where I came into contact with upwards of 800 people spread over 3 different sites.

Previously I had worked in another job where I met many (in some cases perhaps 50 or so) different members of the public every day.

We live in strange times.

265608 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Gill, 5, #725 of 1931 🔗

They want the money.

265629 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #726 of 1931 🔗

👍 

265613 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Gill, 5, #727 of 1931 🔗

You are assuming that someone in the NHS physically checks your records to see that you are generally healthy etc etc. That ain’t the case!

265636 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Gill, 1, #728 of 1931 🔗

Are these not the same people who just spent months pushing the “just flu” meme?

265638 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Gill, 4, #729 of 1931 🔗

Just had the same myself.

I had also started getting text messages practically every day with the same message to the point I have now barred the sender (NHS) on my phone.

It is becoming quite sinister, in my opinion, how persistent they are becoming – and this is “just” the flu one – I can’t imagine the unwanted harassment we will get for the “other” forthcoming one (or more)!

I have tried not to, but now I firmly believe we are living in very worrying times with regard to “official” interference in our everyday lives. I had never thought I would see this from the present incumbent of No 10. How wrong I was.

265831 ▶▶▶ Gill, replying to dhid, 2, #730 of 1931 🔗

The level of coercion this year is certainly unprecedented, so I do think it’s a practice run. Usually I get a single letter from my GP with the dates of their flu clinics and they couldn’t care less whether or not I actually have it. Ironically, the more they harass me the less likely I am to have it!

265892 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Gill, #731 of 1931 🔗

Yes, I’m a stubborn bugger, so they can stick the needle in themselves.

265898 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to dhid, #732 of 1931 🔗

Lol. Snap!

265648 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Gill, #733 of 1931 🔗

I have had several and never had them before. What is the ‘susceptible’ age threshold?

265653 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Gill, #734 of 1931 🔗

I had a text on the weekend from my doctor’s surgery. It stated that I should not contact them about flu vaccination as they have no supplies and that they will be in touch when they have – may be in December or next year. (Tone of the message was that I should not waste their time).

265889 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ozzie, 1, #735 of 1931 🔗

Lol!

Perhaps they didn’t copy in the NHS on that text then!

They appear to not be in touch with each other – fancy that….

265740 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Gill, 2, #736 of 1931 🔗

Simon Dolan said a couple of weeks ago, apparently Hancock promised – if available, over 50’s would get a shot of something for covid ‘in conjunction’ with the flu vax.. what could possibly go wrong?!

265743 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Gill, 2, #737 of 1931 🔗

its a PPP – that is serving the nation to a corporate and predatory intent.
Lets say at the bare minimum, that is holds the nation as a captured revenue stream.

Medically conditioned identity, operates out of an unquestioned normal – set up over a lifetime, but always mutating under mission creep.

In the intent to overtly recondition you (us), you have the opportunity and the freedom to re-evaluate what is actually being offered and make your decision in the light of an updated or current appreciation, instead of running on normal – or seeking to regain normal under unsettling conditions.

The flu vaccine has no statistical data on it effectiveness on death statistics and such stats as are associated with flu are guesstimated modelling that links to the intent to induce people to buy the flu shot (it is bought and sold as a marketable product).
The ingredients of the flu vaccine may be at least generally researched. There is no scientific basis to categorically claim it to be ‘safe’ nor real studies that seek to determine if indeed it is safe – not least because the vaccine religion – for such it must be called, must never allow dirty washing of uncovered fact to undermine the ‘public trust’ which it presumes to engineer!

I have seen studies that state respiratory illness as a whole is not greatly affected by the flu shot, such it is then more likely to occur through other routes such as coronavirus or rhinovirus. It may be associated with worse outcomes of the selected antibody activation on the following year. It may undermine or depress what we call immune function overall – in terms of resilience to change and challenge of all kinds. If you are healthy you may be able to ‘afford’ incremental deficits’, but if you look at the evidence, the antibodies are not in and of themselves immunity, and can themselves react with hopefully unintended consequences as a result of reaction to ‘viral infection in the wild’ (natural outcomes).
And the toxic shock – without which an antibody would not be formed, may be associated with what are called auto-immune symptoms, cognitive disorders, energy deficits and gut dysbiosis – which is perhaps our life support system, while T-cells are clearly a primary response that can render ‘infections’ to be mild or without symptoms. T-cells are not activated without adequate levels of vitamin D present. Antibodies are a fall back that I believe also carry a burden and so are not the primary means to serve the rebalancing of function – which may be more about logjams or backlogs of toxic accumulation – including dead and recycled materials from the healthful process of cell death and regeneration.

Narratives appeal to the emotional mind. We can run them, but they carry a burden or cost. Not least our capacity to mask over and obscure what is actually present.

Don’t let truth get in the way of a good story! Is often said in jest.

Convergent opportunism can also be seen as a feeding frenzy where appetites lose their constraints under the breakdown of law and order – and reveal themselves for what they are.

And for who we are not – if we care to see.

265769 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Gill, #738 of 1931 🔗

I was invited and after a few attempts to get through the switchboard, an appointment was made for 12.33, OH for 12.34, warned that the car park would be commandeered and I should go to Station Three. Wow I thought, it will be a huge operation! But there was no-one else there except people with clipboards. I asked the nurse if they had had much flu locally and she said no, they hadn’t even had many respiratory illnesses, certainly not as much as in previous years and it was all very quiet. The twinkle in her eye (masked obvs) suggested that she was a little bit sceptical…

265874 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Gill, 1, #739 of 1931 🔗

Is this the normal flu vaccine that covers you if you’re damaged by it, or the new rushed through experimental Covid vaccine that’s been awarded indemnity?

It’s your body. Your health is your responsibility. You can’t undo a vaccine. The Internet is a huge resource

265595 stefarm, #740 of 1931 🔗

Apologies if already posted – The Last American Vagabond – The Great Mask Deception

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ghozmkTqKyIN/

265604 Binra, replying to Binra, 5, #741 of 1931 🔗

R Hodgkinson:

  • We will have no idea how virulent the ‘Next Big One’ will be, so we must prepare now for the worst possible future scenario.

Some of what he says aligns with common sense, but still operating from insider bias.
He notes the absence of a virological perspective in the politically corrupted bodies directing – or in his eyes mis-directing responses.

The insider bias of virologism is to me clear in his accentuated red warning.
Pre-crime as the basis for preemptive strikes, is the Hobbesian philosophy of a stark paranoia – mitigated through the parameters of the criminal outcome.

The insidious belief in contagious disease is rooted in regions of the psyche that scientism sought to exclude, lid over and rule out, through the assignment of disease to ‘germs’ – which originally means ‘seeds’.

While the actual isolation and demonstrable proof of specific viral particle of molecular packets of genetic material or debris, as sole cause of specific and reproducible disease is lacking, the invested belief in it is always able to workaround or ignore anomalies by mutating the parameters of ‘common sense’ to serve the war effort.
To anyone not invested in such drama, the contagion of fear that replicates itself in a storm or cascade of reaction that compounds and spreads the fear – is plain to see and out in the open.

In that sense the ‘virus’ we mostly fear and believe to be our hidden nemesis, is within the nature of invested conflict itself, as a mind-pathogen. Not a biological ‘pathogen’

What then is really occurring as the biological events that we observe, experience and often aggravate, magnify or make worse by our assigned meanings and reaction?
The freedom to truly ask this question would be ‘common sense’.

But common misperception aligns a common purpose in error, and no matter how much resource is thrown at such errors, they will only grow an appetite for more.
The drive for control that is generated from seeking to pre-empt catastrophe is perhaps the ‘king-maker’ in terms of attracting allegiance, funding and support as the dictate of what or who is to be sacrificed. But at least the original idea of ‘sovereign’ had some sense of holding the realm – which may not be democratic in modern terms but has a concern for the balance of the whole rather than a corruption of competing parts.

The power of fear is all the power we give it. This sentence acknowledges where power seems to be conflicted as a result of giving priority to pre-crime, and its ‘remedy’, such that presence is denied, and with it the recognition of power at rest – as the balance points of the realm or terrain as a functional expression of our being.

The sovereign will – is not IN elite expertise of any field – including that of manipulating the minds of others. For each sees the ‘problem’ as the validation of their respective answer.
Nor is it in a corporate think tank of convergent opportunism that always calls forth our base nature to either observe and release or succumb to as a sense of self-reinforcing validation.

It is revealed in true relational communication, and masked by filtering and blocking judgements that select in order to reject or deny.

The scientific framework that seeks to stand apart from and over not just human being, but life and world, has an element of dissociative denial which hijacks the self and replicates a denying technologism against which we seem to have no immunity – because it is idealised and idolised for what seems to be access to such power, set against the hated and the feared.
Pathology – as an inversion of life – needs to be stood on its head, and the interjection of a conditioned nature set in grievance and exclusion, released from service.
Living to avoid and evade fear and conflict is consenting to being externally conditioned as an internal programming that we learn to manipulate as part of the drive to escape loss of control, or loss of ‘face’.
Who are you without your ‘face’?

265650 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Binra, 1, #742 of 1931 🔗

Superb.

265612 Danny, 29, #743 of 1931 🔗

Bert- Hi Ernie, how’s things?
Ernie- Oh fine thanks. Got a bit of a cold but otherwise, mustn’t grumble.
Bert- A cold? What are you doing about it?
Ernie- I feel fine, honestly. Just a bit under the weather. So anyway, gonna have an early night tonight, maybe take a lemsip.
Bert- What you should really do is lock yourself in your house for a week and have people leave food on the doorstep, just in case.
Ernie- What? Are you serious?
Bert- Deadly serious. You could have Covid you know.
Ernie- Covid? That sounds terrible. Would that kill me?
Bert- Could do. Could do. You only have around a 99.7% chance of recovery. Similar to a bad flu.
Ernie- Actually I think I’m feeling better now. No symptoms.
Bert- You don’t need symptoms to have Covid.
Ernie- You mean I can not feel sick, yet still infect somebody else and then they would only have a 99.7% survival chance too? Oh my god.
Bert- Well technically, if you are asymptomatic, there is only an infinitesimal chance of spreading Covid, and an even smaller chance of then spreading it to somebody both very old and very sick from something else….. but yes.
Ernie- So I could be responsible for….
Bert- For wiping years of life off a terminally ill person who has already exceeded life expectancy in terms of years, and has made the choice to presumably go out in the street next to you instead of isolating at home? yes.
Ernie- And i suppose I would take up valuable hospital space too, as that must be the reason for the lockdown?
Bert- You bet. Hospitals are currently running emptier than last year but they need to be ready and prepared at all times.
Ernie- But what can I do now? Help me? I don’t want to be a murderer.
Bert- The only thing you can do. Stay home. Save lives. Wait for the vaccine, which is currently around 70% reliable.
Ernie- 70%? Now I like those odds.

265623 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #744 of 1931 🔗

Getting festive with Little Mo and Trevor

265710 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #745 of 1931 🔗

Updated for accuracy

265632 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #746 of 1931 🔗

The Light Hub are just about to receive 1 million leaflets which are being printed in Leeds on Wednesday.

We need to get these relayed to Hubs using The Light distribution network, but all coming out of Leeds, rather than being dropped in north and south locations as normal.

If you are able to help transport them (ideally in a transit van or similar due to the weight, though we are not expecting anyone to take them all) from Leeds to the main hubs in the North, South West & South East, please get in touch as soon as possible so we can make plans to get them out to people and stop the madness.
Many thanks,

Cath & The Light Distribution Team

lightdistribution@mailbox.org

Hopefully I’ll be able to add a copy of the leaflet here too …

265680 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #747 of 1931 🔗

I want to help. Who are they. Do they have a website?

266104 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, #749 of 1931 🔗

Signed up

265639 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #750 of 1931 🔗

Mad man “bollocks book” Luke ONeill has been at it again in the Irish press. They can’t get enough of this insane lunatic. BTW Keep up the good work Ivor Cummins – O’Neill needs to be taken down before he damages too many people:

Don’t pass the gravy’ — Astonishing advice from virus expert to keep safe at Christmas
https://extra.ie/2020/11/25/news/irish-news/luke-oneill-christmas-advice

Highlights:

‘First of all, bring your own dinnerware, then there’s less touching of things. Have a single person in the kitchen doing all the serving, because the more people you have, the more chances it’s going to spread. Don’t pass the gravy boat.
‘Stagger around the table. Don’t sit opposite someone, have someone diagonal and a bit of distance between you,’ he told RTE’s Today With Claire Byrne. ‘You can have a heater in your house if you get cold. Open the window, stick grandpa by the window, and [have a] good breeze blowing through it,’ he said, adding that ventilation is key.

——————————————————————————————————–

Yeah right – and why not chuck granny in the freezer while you are at it – otherwise she might fart over the turkey

265657 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to godowneasy, 5, #751 of 1931 🔗

I do wonder about this “stick grandpa” by the window and other people talking about outdoor celebration and opening windows. There’s a cynic in me that wonders if they could possibly be aware of the very well-reviewed research that shows lower temperatures decrease the function of the immune system quite noticably. It couldn’t be that they actually want us to kill granny, so that the death rate goes up? Could it?

265991 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jakehadlee, 2, #752 of 1931 🔗

Masking, isolating and stress all lower ones immune systems. By looking after your immune systems by taking Vitamins C D3 and Zinc you willboost your immune systems. We do not need vaccines for Covid or Flu. The only people pushing the lies are Big Pharma. Take responsibility for your health.

265721 ▶▶ anon, replying to godowneasy, 7, #753 of 1931 🔗

the fuck is wrong with these people?

265645 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #754 of 1931 🔗

Thanks for that great list of 20 questions. Those are indeed what we should be asking.

The honest answer to them all of course is:

“Because this whole emergency is not about a virus, but about social control”

265674 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to calchas, 1, #755 of 1931 🔗

I’ve sent them to my MP, but he is useless so I’m not expecting a reply.

265751 ▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #756 of 1931 🔗

Same here! This is wording of email I sent to my MP this morning, with the 20 questions attached.

Sir,

I write to you again, although I do not anticipate a reply, as you did not see fit to reply to my email dated 2 nd November (copy forwarded below). It may be, however, that this was because I had not included my full name and address (?) which I subsequently realised was necessary following receipt of your ‘automated MP response email’.

Notwithstanding this, I am one of your a constituents, and whilst you are still the elected MP for my area I will continue to write to express my very real concerns about the apparent contempt in which this government, and the devolved administrations, are treating the citizens of this country, continuing on the path of policies that are designed to take away our liberties and destroy our economy whilst promoting fear-mongering and aggressive tactics to make people compliant and refusing to listen to alternative points of view.

People are not stupid. It is possible for people to assess risk and personally protect themselves, their families and friends and others, without the need for such oppressive and autocratic style governance. I can no longer listen to, or watch, main stream media programmes, including the BBC, and no longer trust the Government in matters concerning my own health and well- being. I do, however, seek out alternative and independent sources of scientific research and information in order to gain a better understanding of such matters, and as a result have come across the following questions that I feel are pertinent and necessary to be responded to by those who are our elected representatives.

I forward these to you below, in the hope that you will consider them, and that they may lead you to join the growing number of courageous and enlightened MP’s, such as those of the COVID Recovery Group (CRG), who are prepared to challenge the current Covid orthodoxy of government, and stand up for the rights and liberties of the individuals and businesses living and operating in their constituencies.

265651 didymous, replying to didymous, 2, #757 of 1931 🔗

Is anyone following the ZOE Symptom study case numbers for their own Local Authority areas? I always check the LB Greenwich daily estimate.

This morning the reported case number estimate rose by a massive 75% from 1600 to 2799 this in a single day after a general downward trend since 15th Nov.

This after being in Lockdown for 3 weeks.

Surely this fails any kind of rationale or smell test, unless the methodology has changed in same way (seems unlikely as national figures continue to fall) and casts some doubt on the accuracy and stability of local data?

Does anyone have any explanation for this, or similar oddities from their own area?

265792 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to didymous, #758 of 1931 🔗

Could you please provide a link?

265832 ▶▶ Will, replying to didymous, #759 of 1931 🔗

Prison, school, college or university I imagine. Something similar happened in our area the week before last and I strongly suspect it was something to do with nosocomial transmission in the prisons down the road or in the hospital.

265658 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #760 of 1931 🔗

This is a new one, it’s from Ireland, published on 3rd of November this year.

If this has been posted here before I apologise, but it shows the power of scaremongering.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/health/coronavirus/if-you-think-covid-hoax-or-some-conspiracy-bt-come-spend-12-hour-night-shift-icu-3024185

Utter lying Bastard.

265708 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to AnotherSceptic, 15, #761 of 1931 🔗

I’m seeing a lot of this “if you think false positives are a problem read about this horrible thing’ around in the last couple of days – where scientific enquiry is countered with infantile emotion.

To me, it says they know they are losing the scientific argument. I am greatly encouraged by the desperation. But I also think we should fight fire with fire – where are the cancer patients who missed screenings – “if you think lockdown is saving lives, step inside this cancer ward’ etc. Keep up the scientific assault but counter their new desperation at the same time

265723 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to jakehadlee, 8, #762 of 1931 🔗

Yes. or like the story posted somewhere recently, about a Taxi Driver who broke down, trying to scrape by earning literally just a couple of pounds per hour sometimes; months in arrears with his mortgage, sold his furniture, kids living on scraps and slices of bread. Completely heartbreaking and sad to say, there will be more like this poor gentleman. Not a couple more, hundreds of thousands more.

265730 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 12, #763 of 1931 🔗

How glorious must this vision of a new world be to require such abject misery in order to bring about its creation.

265712 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #764 of 1931 🔗

Well, I don’t know anyone who has tried spending 12 hours in ICU because of Covid, so it must not be that bad.

265664 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 23, #765 of 1931 🔗

What I like about the word “sceptic” is it means “questioning”, it means “not accepting whatever you are told without wide-reaching research”, it means “asking if there could be an agenda behind whatever is being advocated by a particular agent”. But once again, we have been pushed into total polarisation. You are either a devout, radical vaccine worshiper, or you are an “anti-vaxxer”. No room for middle ground. We need to push the term “vaccine sceptic” EVERYWHERE so people understand it is not vaccine or jail (for being an anti-vaxxer).

Let’s be rational and reasonable and cautious. Decades and billions spent on vaccines for cancer and AIDS and other coronaviruses and rhinoviruses. It is sensible to question the speed at which these new “vaccines” have appeared. And do people fully understand that they all claim to prevent serious symptoms developing… so not necessarily guarding against being infectious. And that vulnerable groups are about to become unwitting guinea pigs in an experiment. Start talking to your elderly and vulnerable relatives NOW about the risks. If they want to shoulder the potential risks in a bid to BE a human trial participant, fine, but make sure they are not ONLY getting the vaccine in order to get their freedom. They are ENTITLED to their freedom! No politician is the gatekeeper, “granting” it to the well-behaved!

#VaccineSceptic

265677 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #766 of 1931 🔗

As I once again came up against yesterday though, in terms of the phrase Lockdown Sceptic, everyone assumes it means conspiracy theorist. I was talking to a partner at the company I work for. He said “well if you’re looking at something that calls itself Sceptic . . .” implying that the word itself meant that it could be discredited as such.
How did this happen?
Toby is specifically not a conspiracy theorist – none of the articles have ever suggested such, whatever is below the line here, and yet to be a sceptic is to be a heretic.

265688 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CGL, 11, #767 of 1931 🔗

We have to keep fighting it. Unfortunately people have been kept apart from others. They are not meeting up and having conversations, so all their information comes from media, which is skewed to serve their bias. It’s a war and we have to fight back!

265689 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to CGL, 14, #768 of 1931 🔗

Same crap they pushed when the evidence didn’t support climate alarmism – suddenly sceptics became “deniers”.

265727 ▶▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to A Heretic, 5, #769 of 1931 🔗

Do you remember how/why “global warming” became “climate change”?

265736 ▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Neil Hartley, 3, #770 of 1931 🔗

Because Al Gore was talking bollocks.

265994 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Neil Hartley, 2, #771 of 1931 🔗

Because “global warming” became an obvious pack of lies, when the earth didn’t start warming on schedule. The loathsome agenda couldn’t be abandoned, so another scam description had to be invented to deal with possible warming and cooling scenarios; hence “climate change”, with an added lie on the side of “anthropomorphic climate change”, as if paltry humans could ever affect the entire planet.

The lies continue, with added insults of “denier”.

265745 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #772 of 1931 🔗

Since my life, my future, my physical and emotional health have been destroyed by Government diktats to keep me safe against my will, I’ve done nothing but read and read.

Professor Sucharit Bhakdi convinced me that we were being lied to and terrorized for no valid reason, which forced the exploration to move to ‘conspiracy theories’, some of which are coming true.

It is World War 3 against the people, enabled by the mainstream media and politicians, and distressingly enforced with brutality by the police. The World Economic Forum may be the public relations face of the multiple and unknown attackers.

In short, the population is been strong-armed by Gates, pharma, tech, banks and multiple unknown vested interests, so that we surrender to their conditions and new way of life. Shareholders are hungry to see a return on their investments. It’s about money and control.

265765 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #773 of 1931 🔗

The forgotten censored message: Improve your IMMUNE system .

It protects you agains viruses, bacteria and other pathogens all the time

265884 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Victoria, #774 of 1931 🔗

Even this can be refined.
Stop undermining your love and life in the name of getting some magical answer.
For the deceit of the mind will rob you of that you Are to sell it back to you as accessories.
The selling of Fear is the inducement to buy into a protection racket.
Easier to get into trouble than out of it. Not because lies become true, but because our invested belief renders them unquestionable.

I suggest that viral and bacterial communication ARE life support as the capacity to adapt to challenge and change that includes toxic exposures and nutrient deficiency – of psycho-physical conditions. IE: Fear can be depleting, inflammatory and toxic.
We don’t just live in bacterial and viral soup, our genetic make up is 9/10 microbiome.
The initial discovery of the germs of life became pathologised.
This is not so unusual for anything first rising into our human awareness.
Weaponised and marketised – such as to lead to a medicine that sought to essentially sterilise our biosis and still does run as the projection of pathological intent to our body, our nature and our life.
Hence the Global Biosecurity State drilling down into our very cells to eradicate and control the human virus.

If you are open to other ways to frame than ‘immune system’, Dr Tom Cowan recently reach to David Icke without joining in conspiracy Fear. On brandnew tube – maybe others.
To be framed and defined by fear (conflicted division) cannot identify us or anything truly, but if you buy the ticket its a helluva ride!

266308 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Victoria, #775 of 1931 🔗

This could easily be sloganized-

“Take care of yourself and take care of others!”

265685 caradoc, 1, #776 of 1931 🔗

Have you gone woke? Isn’t whatsherface a comedienne?

265694 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 11, #777 of 1931 🔗

Remember the sneaky change on 15th October to allow double counting of ‘so called cases’ after 7 days?

http://tapnewswire.com/2020/10/case-counting-government-quietly-starts-double-counting-positives/

What this appears to have done is created the false impression of cases rising hard in the south of England and London – it had kicked in nicely for them by 22nd October, and was offsetting the falling ‘so called cases’ in the North so creating the overall sense that ‘the virus was spreading’ amongst the masses everywhere.

Its incredible how many tricks they were using in September/ October to generate an uplift case numbers – testing at universities, testing at care homes, testing in hospitals, testing in schools, lower quality tests, lower barriers for a positive test, double counting a case week on week so someone who was positive one week and is positive the next week generates 2 cases, paying people to get tested (I had a letter). Scandalous. Seems like there might be some highly paid consultants behind some of this who think no-one will spot their little tricks.

265713 ▶▶ mjr, replying to theanalyst, 6, #778 of 1931 🔗

and just a reminder of the “get tested” campaign initiated over the last couple of weeks via local councils.
Emailed weekly update received Friday from council

Many residents who have tested positive for coronavirus have also displayed other symptoms than the main ones.
As the number of cases in our borough remains high and above the national average – we need to identify cases as early as possible, so we can slow down the spread of the virus.
We are now asking you to book a COVID-19 test as a precaution , if you are showing other symptoms, such as:

  • Headaches
  • Aches and pains
  • Feeling tired for no good reason
  • Sore throat
  • Runny nose
  • Sneezing
  • Tummy ache in children

You can book a test online , it’s quick and easy.
When you get the following question in the online form “Why are you asking for a test?” – you need to select the following answer:
– My local council or health protection team has asked me (or someone I live with) to get a test, even though I do not have symptoms

If you are booking a coronavirus test as a precaution due to one or more of the above symptoms, you don’t need to self-isolate unless you receive a positive test result.

So the message is – sneeze ? get a test. Sniffle? get a test, Hangover? get a test

And of course , dodgy PCR tests will throw up lots of “positives” they can add to the figures

i recall when i posted this before last week someone mentioned a similar letter from their council. Would be interesting to see how prevalent this is .

265826 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to mjr, 1, #779 of 1931 🔗
265891 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Sarigan, 3, #780 of 1931 🔗

Drippy hancock is a serious symptom

265861 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 1, #781 of 1931 🔗

Children don’t get Covid.
All children get tummy ache at some time.
Cue screams of panic from zombie parents.

266103 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, #782 of 1931 🔗

Ahh well it is the same as testing the asymptomatic just using different words.

DO NOT GET TESTED!!!!!

265735 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to theanalyst, 10, #783 of 1931 🔗

I know of a 93 year old lady who fell and broke her hip a few weeks ago. Admitted to hospital for a hip replacement. They tested her for C19 and she tested positive. Zero symptoms. No doubt she was under the category of another case and likely a hospital admission statistic for Covid.
The lady had her hip operation (thankfully in this case NHS open for business) and is otherwise fit and well.

Yet so many scared of this deadly virus.

265864 ▶▶ annie, replying to theanalyst, 1, #784 of 1931 🔗

We will test them on the beaches…

266286 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to theanalyst, 1, #785 of 1931 🔗

Double counting students who got tested at University and called a case there and also back home where they were registered with GP.
They have changed that very recently.

265698 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #786 of 1931 🔗

Sunetra Gupta on Jeremy Vine, 1 pm.

265857 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #787 of 1931 🔗

Both controlled opposition I wonder. We didn’t have lockdowns, restrictions, destruction of the economy and civil liberties in 2018 when the flu overwhelmed hospitals

265875 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 2, #788 of 1931 🔗

If you asked some people in the NHS now, they’d say we should have locked down in 2018.

265953 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 2, #789 of 1931 🔗

It’s true. Or ten years previous. Half the UK population are little Hitlers in waiting

265699 Ben, replying to Ben, 3, #790 of 1931 🔗

Sad and scary

The bird that is liberté appears to be dying. Macron is destroying France

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1331521138674049027?s=20

265785 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Ben, 2, #791 of 1931 🔗

Johnson is destroying Britain, so what?

265702 Eileen, replying to Eileen, 2, #792 of 1931 🔗

Why is Rishi spending £3billion to help the unemployed back into work? Why not use that money to keep business going so they can keep staff on so they don’t become unemployed in the first place.!?
Am I missing something here?

265854 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eileen, 3, #793 of 1931 🔗

You are.You have a problem.
You have a brain.
Rishi doesn’t have a brain.
Therefore your question is irrelevant.
Go away.

265957 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Eileen, 4, #794 of 1931 🔗

They don’t help unemployed people back into work. What they do is give the money to a bunch of their mates who set up “workshops” where the unemployed go for a few weeks while they learn how to fill in a form. It’s all cover to pretend they are doing something while milking the state cow. They’re very clever. I’m sure Ian Duncan Smith has a few friends who might know more than me.

265703 Cheezilla, 1, #795 of 1931 🔗

Does anyone know how the vote will be worded next week? Will it be a simple choice between putting everyone into more draconian tiers or to stay as we are now?
If so, then I can’t see how the Quad can possibly lose either way.
Rigged polls etc etc – and the Nudge Unit is not on our side!

265705 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 4, #796 of 1931 🔗

According to FOI requests I’ve seen, neither the Scottish Government or Public Health Scotland know how many cycles the PCR tests are being run at. Either that or they’re lying!

265716 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Old Normal, 8, #797 of 1931 🔗

Whether they know or not, they probably don’t care much

I’ve seen very little evidence of any desire from government or public health authorities or SAGE or many other official bodies to actually find out much useful information – they are blindly following a very simple playbook in line with the narrative established at the start

Anything beyond that narrative is considered dangerous territory

265739 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Old Normal, 5, #798 of 1931 🔗

they’re lying!

👍

265752 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Old Normal, 2, #799 of 1931 🔗

Lying, our glorious leader does have a sketchy memory and probably wrote it on a napkin somewhere.

265802 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Old Normal, 1, #800 of 1931 🔗

It’s 45 – says so in the manufacturer’s instructions i posted a few months ago.

265906 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #801 of 1931 🔗

And fauci has said……

265711 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #802 of 1931 🔗

The Bangkok Post reported that the English lockdown may be extended. The article provoked a storm of interest across the nation, expressed in *cough* three comments. But they are quite good. See the attachment.

265717 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #803 of 1931 🔗

Real Eyes
Realise
Real Lies

265732 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 9, #804 of 1931 🔗

Sunetra Gupta is speaking on Jeremy Vine’s Radio 2 show after 1pm today if anyone wants to tune in. I was shocked but pleased that the BBC are giving her air time, perhaps the tide is eventually turning.

265734 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #805 of 1931 🔗

I suspect deep down he’s a sceptic as well, but will see what he says.

265788 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #806 of 1931 🔗

She’s been getting airtime in drips and drabs for months. They have to at least maintain some kind of illusion of balance.

265737 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 21, #807 of 1931 🔗

Surely the plan to save Christmas would only work if the dreaded virus got the memo and agreed to join in the general bonhomie, goodwill to all men, etc.

Or, since the virus is already in retreat. is it really a cunning plan to boost ratings and save the government (and Tory party)?

Similarly, is the upcoming vaccination programme to fight this bug designed so they can shamelessly claim total credit for beating a disease that has anyway long run its course?

A cynic, moi?

265753 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Ross Hendry, 14, #808 of 1931 🔗

I had a chat with The Virus before the pubs shut and it told me that it is off to wrap Christmas presents for the next few weeks, so won’t be showing up very much.

It is then off to Lapland to infect Santa – but not so much that he might die. It said it wanted to infect him asymptomatically so that he spreads virus descendants to every house in the world (ones with chimneys at least).

The Virus is worried that these plans might fail because Santa is so drunk most of the time, the amount of alcohol on his face is enough to kill it.

265842 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #809 of 1931 🔗

so that is where Rudolph’s red nose comes from … clearly more than a bad cold

265783 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ross Hendry, 8, #810 of 1931 🔗

Very little if anything of what the government has done since the initial lockdown has been motivated by any real concern for public health, nor has it been informed by science or logic

It is simply all political theatre

265789 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Julian, 4, #811 of 1931 🔗

It is simply Agenda something-or-other.

265840 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ross Hendry, 1, #812 of 1931 🔗

I have mentioned before that the PTB have stated that there will be consequences for allowing Christmas i.e. increased infections, hospitalisations and death. Surely that means that they are willfully putting the public in harms way and can be held to account?

The figures post Christmas and into the NY will make for very interesting reading.

265882 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan, 1, #813 of 1931 🔗

No. The public will be held to account of course.

265877 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ross Hendry, 4, #814 of 1931 🔗

I think allowing Christmas is a cunning plan to get the numbers up for lockdown 3. Whether or not they go up in reality.

Then all the zealots can scream at everyone else for being a covidiot and putting us back into lockdown. The govt are already starting with the Christmas granny-killing propaganda to get it off to a good start. Hey, we’ll allow you to see your own family, it’s up to you if you want to risk killing them etc etc.

265738 Victoria, 8, #815 of 1931 🔗

“Hospital admissions from CV are too uncommon in the population being studied for a vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences.Same is true of its ability to save lives or prevent transmission:the trials are not designed to find out”

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1331512481949364225

265742 Basics, replying to Basics, 21, #816 of 1931 🔗

Update on the Hancock arrest warrant –

COVID-1984 UPDATE |24-11-20
After initially being told yesterday morning that we wouldn’t receive the judge’s decision [on whether to issue the arrest warrant] for another ten days, by the late afternoon he had already made up his mind and ruled as follows:

1. That he was satisfied that we have the authority to bring the private prosecution.
2. That he has the jurisdiction to decide the application.
3. That it is not a prosecution which can only be run by the CPS.

However, the judge did not agree that Hancock’s dishonesty is proven by his publicly documented failure to disclose to MPs [before they voted on the CV act] that CV had been reclassified as no longer being considered an airborne High Consequence Infectious Disease [HCID], or that the Imperial Model had been proven to be false.
Whilst the decision could easily be appealed, we have been advised by our legal team that we need to acquire more prima facie evidence of Hancock’s dishonest conduct, before any judge will issue a warrant or a summons, which we expect to obtain within the next 28 days.
Nevertheless, our legal team has also advised us that the production of the very same evidence we are seeking to prove dishonest conduct will constitute sufficient prima facie evidence of a much more serious crime than fraud, as well as conclusive proof of the frauds we have already alleged.

In other words, we’ve been asked to provide the smoking gun from the crime scene, so that’s what is required to sustain the allegations.

Furthermore, don’t forget that the urgent action we took was taken in the absence of a formal criminal investigation, while our legal team prepared their initial advice on how the PCP should proceed, after assessing the myriad of criminal allegations, to guarantee the greatest chance of success.

Now we have received that advice, we have agreed that the information in the main part of the case against Hancock et al will be laid in the criminal court, as soon as we have obtained the prima facie evidence that would remove all possibility of reasonable doubt in the minds of a jury, when [and not if] the PCP moves to the trial stage. All being well, we will have that evidence by 22/12/2020 at the latest.

Tomorrow afternoon, we are due to speak with our legal team and there will be a further update soon afterwards, laying out how the case will proceed, now that we have established the evidence that needs to be met.

In the meantime, rest assured that, whatever the establishment throws at us, be it in whatever form it comes, the PCP is moving forward, with or without a warrant being issued to prevent further crimes being committed.

Once again, thank you to the vast majority of you, both for warding off shills, trolls and agents in my absence, as well as keeping the faith, despite the wild and crazy false allegations that are flying about.

This has been submitted under the Peoples Union of Britain.

https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/biggest-criminal-fraud-case.html#n PUB

265757 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 3, #817 of 1931 🔗

Thanks for update

265744 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #818 of 1931 🔗

“5 global airlines are to start offering passengers use of a digital health pass to certify they are Covid-free.United Airlines,Lufthansa,Virgin,Swiss and JetBlue will begin rolling out the so-called CommonPass, which is backed by the WEF”

There is the WEF again. Surprise….

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1331509085783683075

265748 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 11, #819 of 1931 🔗

Fine I’ll personally defund them

265750 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #820 of 1931 🔗

Whilst forming a new company Sceptic Air

265749 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Victoria, 8, #821 of 1931 🔗

Well I guess my flying days are over then!

265762 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #822 of 1931 🔗

No, travel the world with Sceptic Air

265761 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 8, #823 of 1931 🔗

This is actually controlled demolition of the airlines. They know these measures will deter people from flying

265774 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ben, 6, #824 of 1931 🔗

I’m not so sure. I think the majority (though I doubt many of us here) would suck it up in order to travel, even if they weren’t overjoyed with the idea.

265816 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Charlie Blue, #825 of 1931 🔗

If I found to a high degree of certainty that a certain vaccine was safe after about 5 years of use I may suck it up to go travel. I’m still young and I can’t win this fight by myself.

I would not take it regularly.

265879 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to JHuntz, 1, #826 of 1931 🔗

Glad I’ve racked up a couple of million miles jacked in flying 3 years pissed off with the cattle like security won’t miss it.

265885 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ben, 3, #827 of 1931 🔗

Ive said this from day 1 as soon as they closed everything. Its the green agenda, airlines, overseas holiday resorts, cars, etc these fuckers dont care cos its not their money. Att he first sign of violence directly against them they will all run away.

265772 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, 8, #828 of 1931 🔗

While Mr Schwab travels in his private plane

265821 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #829 of 1931 🔗

Remember you will own nothing and you will be happy about it. Rules for thee not for me eh Klaus.

265946 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #830 of 1931 🔗

And the rest of the Davos set!

265830 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, #831 of 1931 🔗

List of Davos 2020 attendees:

https://qz.com/1787763/the-list-of-delegates-to-the-2020-world-economic-forum-in-davos/

Carsten SpohrChairman and Chief Executive Officer, Deutsche Lufthansa, Germany

^ that covers Swiss too, same group.

265919 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Victoria, 1, #832 of 1931 🔗

Yes, they will all do that. If you think they will be a Sceptic Airline you are rudely mistaken. I hear from a very reliable source ( old combat buddy now in the airline industry) that Star Alliance will announce this same thing in the next couple of weeks. So that pretty much means ALL the big airlines. I have accepted that I will probably never see my friends in the US and Thailand again as I will not take the vaccine..Or maybe I will because it will be the choice of spending holidays with my family or living in a gutter.

266231 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Victoria, #833 of 1931 🔗

Common(Purpose)Pass

266300 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, #834 of 1931 🔗

The Rockefeller Common Pass? Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

266461 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, #835 of 1931 🔗

Sent Simon this further info:

Here is some more info you may like on the WEF controlled World Travel and Tourism Councils “covid-19 new normal” and their letter to Governments:

https://wttc.org/COVID-19/Safe-Travels-Global-Protocols-Stamp

https://wttc.org/COVID-19/Government-Policies/Global-coordination-to-save-the-sector

Who runs it:

Their CEO and President Gloria Guevara:

“part of the Future for Travel, Tourism and Aviation Global Agenda Council of the World Economic Forum (WEF).

Here from the WEF website:

https://fr.weforum.org/people/gloria-guevara-manzo

Their VP Policy Tiffany Mishrai:

“she spent 8 years with the World Economic Forum, where she was the Head of the Aviation, Travel and Tourism Industry

Ambassador Kathleen Matthews:

“chaired the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council for the travel industry

Plus they all seem to have major incestuous links to the companies they “represent” by having have worked for them in the past or sat on the same trade bodies or have links to the UN run agencies such as the ICAO, World Tourism Organisation etc.

I’ve contacted a few of the major travel and tourism companies named asking them do they know what the WTTC is doing in their name and why are they willing participants in the suicide of their businesses but no replies worth noting other than “following guidelines” and that was even from CEOs who have spoken out about people not wanting to travel with the idiocy that is in place at the moment.

He’s replied and is interested so I’ll keep an eye on his twitter and see if any of it appears.

265746 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #836 of 1931 🔗

I smell a rat with the Princess Nut Nuts story. The forty texts a day, endless rows etc.

All this came from unnamed sources. A planted story

What do we know, as opposed to what we’ve been told?

We know Cummings and Cain left

We know Aaronson and Rutherford have not been seen since

We know the Pig Dictator has locked himself in his flat when there is no need to do so

Why no A and R if it’s just about Cummings and PNN?

Why no leaks from Cummings or Cain if it’s as nasty as we are told

Methinks this is a very slippery pig trying to subdue a very large rat

265758 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cecil B, #837 of 1931 🔗

More like a wedding great mammal!!

265760 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Cecil B, 10, #838 of 1931 🔗

If you were sitting on a leak, and wished to leverage it to its utmost advantage, you would wait for the perfect moment to create as much damage as possible. Politicians may be slimy underhanded bastards, but they are also slimy underhanded bastards.

265811 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #839 of 1931 🔗

Fawkes you always give us a good laugh. Thank you for that last sentence haha

265767 calchas, replying to calchas, 18, #840 of 1931 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/head-who-suggests-covid-restrictions-will-continue-even-after-vaccine

I think it is very important to get this message out to people – to the waverers.

Many people are looking forward to the vaccine, because they think it gets us back to normal.

Some people – like Tedros – are now suggesting that masking and distancing will be permanent.

Get this message out there.

265775 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 12, #841 of 1931 🔗

Indeed

I tell whoever is still listening to me (not many) that we’ll be in at least Tier 1 forever

265790 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 14, #842 of 1931 🔗

It ends when we decide. Just stop.

265806 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 7, #843 of 1931 🔗

I fear that far too many people have already forgotten that the way we exist now isn’t normal.

265844 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 5, #844 of 1931 🔗

Tedros, who decided he didn’t want to take a PCR test post quarantine because he felt fine and didn’t see the need for testing. One rule for them. One rule for us

I’m dismayed that more people can’t see what’s going. We’re being held to ransom by tech and pharma. The goal is endless profits and control of us

265954 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to calchas, 2, #845 of 1931 🔗

Not if there is mass non compliance it won’t TedRoss talks garbage.

265771 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 14, #846 of 1931 🔗

What is the logic of making everyone wait until 23rd December before travelling?

Doesn’t that make it more likely there will be accidents than if people could travel whenever they like?

265773 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NappyFace, 12, #847 of 1931 🔗

Since when has this government ever employed logic?

265820 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #848 of 1931 🔗

Yep. 2020 is definitely in the post-logic era.

265848 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #849 of 1931 🔗

There won’t be any accidents, only a sharp rise in Covviedeaths.

265778 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NappyFace, 8, #850 of 1931 🔗

These are the same people who made up the ten o’clock rule

265797 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #851 of 1931 🔗

And the same people who introduced a ‘world beating’ test and trace system, for use in pubs, cafes, restaurants, hairdressers etc…. then closed all of the above.

265845 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #852 of 1931 🔗

The same people who made up the rule that anyone standing in a hospitality venue had to wear a face mask to protect against the virus, but did not have to wear a face mask when seated because…

265781 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to NappyFace, 10, #853 of 1931 🔗

Just go whenever you want……

265784 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to NappyFace, 10, #854 of 1931 🔗

Because they’re just pulling this nonsense out of their arses.

265804 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NappyFace, 2, #855 of 1931 🔗

We are being strong-armed by Pharma and tech companies to accept endless vaccines, immunity passports etc.. We will be let out of our cell if we do

The shareholders need feeding

265869 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NappyFace, 1, #856 of 1931 🔗

It will certainly cause gridlock. I’m going 2 days early to hopefully avoid it. Of course everyone else may well do the same thing.

266067 ▶▶ dhid, replying to NappyFace, 1, #857 of 1931 🔗

“Logic”? What is this you speak of??

265791 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 10, #858 of 1931 🔗

Sunak says he’s prioritising jobs, businesses and public services. Really?

Another £280 billion to be pissed up the wall.

Forecast of a drop of 11.5% in the economy this year. Largest fall in 300 years!

265803 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Ceriain, 3, #859 of 1931 🔗

Throw more and more money around until it’s finally worthless.
His and everyone else’s policy since March.
And the real and only reason why equities, property, gold, bitcoin, collectibles etc. keep on rising…

265941 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Ceriain, 1, #860 of 1931 🔗

Anyone who isn’t promoting Austrian Economics is pissing against a wall

265798 Jay Berger, 4, #861 of 1931 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/airlines-track-lose-157-billion-global-slump-worsens-iata-chief-negative-immunity-passports

We’ll, at the least the IATA boss has some more sense than the Qantas one.
Aussies, Kiwis and other Zero Covid nations might have no choice here, but that doesn’t mean that the RoW has to play by their books.
And in light of the vaccines poor trial design, the results likely randomness and their low efficacy for preventing the infection, they will probably have to keep their 14day quarantine incarceration going on for good anyway, for all inbound and returning travellers.
All these vaccines can do for Aussies and Kiwis is to give them lesser symptoms, if they catch it when going abroad.

265800 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #862 of 1931 🔗

If I was a mass murderer and knew that my actions would cause excess deaths I too would want as many tests done as possible in order to hide those deaths under the guise of COVID.

265940 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #863 of 1931 🔗

I’m glad Harold Shipman is dead because he’d be kicking himself that he was locked up right now

266225 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Biker, #864 of 1931 🔗

I fear quite a few ‘sons of Shipman’ may have had a field day recently. After all, increasing the covid death stats probably gets you an OBE these days.

265801 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 9, #865 of 1931 🔗

Mr Sunak’s decision to find billions of pounds for jobs support in Wednesday’s Spending Review will be seen as an acknowledgement that the unemployment crisis has a long way to go.
The Chancellor will pledge to “create and support” hundreds of thousands of jobs through tens of billions of pounds of investment in infrastructure, including roads, houses, railways and cycle lanes.

Spending tax payer money on public projects in an effort to massage unemployment figures. Whilst I am not negating the need to invest in our infrastructure this will not grow the economy.

A £2.9 billion Restart scheme will help the long-term unemployed to find jobs by giving them “intensive, tailored” support to meet their individual circumstances. Another £1.4 billion will be allocated to Job Centres, helping the short-term unemployed back into work.

Spending more taxpayers money to piss off job hunters in a market where the government killed off all the jobs.

Mr Sunak will also extend the apprenticeship hiring incentive — which pays employers £2,000 for every new apprentice they hire – to the end of March, when the new tier system of Covid restrictions will end. The jobs schemes will effectively replace the furlough scheme, which finishes on March 31st.

Spending more tax payers money to incentivise employers to create poverty wage jobs.

If I was a cynic I would say we are run by communists not conservatives.

265810 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to JHuntz, 8, #866 of 1931 🔗

Not a cynic, but a realist. Sunak has shown his colours – he is aligned to the totalitarian neo-Marxist cabal that is running the country. They will not be happy until they have destroyed every single private sector enterprise. The pub and restaurant trade is just the start.

265833 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #867 of 1931 🔗

Yet more government interference in the employment market. All previous schemes have been wasteful and mismanaged, I don’t expect this to be any different.

The Conservative party certainly don’t believe in free markets, they now seem to follow a mixed model of crony capitalism / French style big government bureaucracy.

265870 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Darryl, 4, #868 of 1931 🔗

I wonder which chums will get the contracts for this.

265881 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #869 of 1931 🔗

Same fuckers who are getting the money now, big four auditors, banks, Serco etc

265998 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Iansn, #870 of 1931 🔗

Serco are apparently specialists in scrubbing the internet of any trace of incriminating / undesirable material. Governments worldwide are currently going on a massive campaign to re-write / erase history.

The big four accounting firms tend to see themselves more as consultants now, and we all know that governments like highly paid consultants to tell them the obvious.

265890 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, #872 of 1931 🔗

This is one of the comments to the above article
“While I accept some of Gupta’s theorising (while remembering that she has not actually been involved in any actually research on covid-19), her views on herd immunity have been widely discredited. Mike Yeardon is closely involved with big pharma, and so his views are likely to be skewed towards pharmaceutical solutions rather than social strategies. So I’d argue his views (& the industry he works for) show corporate bias to make profits over human health. John Lee writes for the Spectator, and has regularly shown his views supporting economic development over social welfare, so again, he’s not an unbiased scientist actively involved in studying this disease. Ivor Cummins is a self-promoting quack. The David Ike of covid conspiracy theories. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed falling down your wormhole of conspiracy theories, Sceptic. So many poor arguments woven together with a few genuine facts. But asking people to believe the opinions of some biased people who are not actively on the frontline of this challenge, instead of those doctors, nurses and virologists who are, and who are globally respected, shows either naivety or wilful blindness. ”

265915 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to p02099003, 2, #873 of 1931 🔗

What a ridiculous comment.

265932 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to p02099003, #874 of 1931 🔗

Thinks blatantly falsifying data is OK then.

265938 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to p02099003, #875 of 1931 🔗

You’re post is sinking like a turd swirling down the toilet of self-righteousness. .

265951 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to p02099003, 3, #876 of 1931 🔗

The appeal to authority, the sheeples’ favourite fallacy. Attacking Yeadon but turning blind eyes to Doom and Gloom et al, what utter bollocks.

265952 ▶▶ anon, replying to p02099003, #877 of 1931 🔗

is commentor ‘buns’ of the seventy seventh?

lots of sheep in Leicestershire either way

266019 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, #878 of 1931 🔗

Dr Tang needs a boot up the arse!

266071 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 3, #879 of 1931 🔗

Support local business – DO NOT KILL THEM

265809 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #880 of 1931 🔗
265817 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #881 of 1931 🔗

Very good, shame so few will watch. He has been speaking sense on the largely government caused crisis since the start.

265813 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #882 of 1931 🔗

The OBR reckons unemployment will hit 2.6 million (7.5%) next year. Given the OBR get nothing right, it’ll be much more than that.

Yet he keeps talking about how he is saving jobs.

265929 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 1, #883 of 1931 🔗

If I am correct earlier this year 1.2moro were added to the Dole queue?

266418 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 1, #884 of 1931 🔗

I’d say reality is 3-4 times that, just massaging of definitions.

265818 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 29, #885 of 1931 🔗

(1) Robin Monotti Graziadei on Twitter: “ITALY: Consumers association says false positives to Covid19 test as diagnosis are 95%. Legal cases started against testing under charges of fraud to procure public funding, false alarm, ideological false, and manslaughter. https://t.co/C9b7BbzdKa ” / Twitter

So that’s Germany, Portugal and now Italy plus Simon Dolan and others here taking legal action against PCR tests and lockdowns.

You could say that litigation is starting to spread around Europe like……..er……..a virus.

265838 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 3, #886 of 1931 🔗

I wish it was a speedier virus.

265851 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Margaret, 4, #887 of 1931 🔗

i wish it wasn’t just civil litigation – we want to see criminal charges and punishments!

265858 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to dommo, 3, #888 of 1931 🔗

this could be used to demonstrate Misfeasance in a public office which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment

265908 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to vargas99, 4, #889 of 1931 🔗

I’m trying to find out whether Witty is registered with the GMC. If he is I intend to make a Fitness to Practice complaint.

265855 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Margaret, 3, #890 of 1931 🔗

If Fuellmich succeeds then that should open quite a few floodgates.

265871 ▶▶ alw, replying to Margaret, 1, #891 of 1931 🔗

We need some answers PDQ re the Dolan Case. This tyranny must not be allowed to continue.

265819 chris, replying to chris, 3, #892 of 1931 🔗

Melbourne, where not wearing a mask justifies attemptd murder.

https://twitter.com/DystopianEarth/status/1331577603283701760

265839 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to chris, 2, #893 of 1931 🔗

Regardless of the authenticity, there will be people out there thinking he deserved it.

These people think that the rules will not apply to them because they are saints. They will be the first to claim that they do not deserve to be treated in that way. Well if they ever fall foul of “the law” there should be no sympathy for them either.

265979 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to Nobody2020, #894 of 1931 🔗

Shame on you, I doubt anyone except the 77th Brigade would agree

266008 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to chris, #895 of 1931 🔗

Have you actually read what I wrote?

265905 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chris, 2, #896 of 1931 🔗

Yawn…next topic. After months of this on repeat I’m no longer shocked, terrified, appalled. Anything. I feel nothing! It is just a testing ground for the rest of the world. When this becomes several times a day on the streets of England people will cheer the Brown Shirts , just like they did in Nazi Germany.. Nothing will change, Australians are taking this and saying oh dear..Fuck them the sheep, they get what they deserve for being submissive.

265980 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to Thomas_E, #897 of 1931 🔗

Shame on you too

265824 Ben, 8, #898 of 1931 🔗

FRANCE: Macron plans to scrap liberty. Filming a police offer beating the sh** out of a little old lady and sharing the evidence of the crime may mean a prison sentence. Conversely, police may film members of the public without their knowledge. The fascists never left France

UK: A 78 year old lady is arrested by police and bundled into a van

https://twitter.com/laworfiction/status/1331366297511342080?s=20

265825 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 3, #899 of 1931 🔗

The dynamic of polarisation has plagued us for centuries, but it has reached a new zenith in recent years. Our culture has degraded rapidly as a result, and this same simplistic interpretation of reality is severely damaging the debate around Covid.

This is a philosophical question as much as it is practical. Our civilisation craves a dualistic paradigm in every area of thought: true or false, right or wrong, good or evil, black or white. This is best demonstrated in the political arena: Conservative or Labour, Republican or Democrat. Either one or the other, increasingly to an extreme, with no middle ground for compromise. Leave or Remain was a classic recent example in the UK.

Again I see this as a challenge that requires us to go above and beyond traditional solutions. Not only do we need new political, legal and commercial systems, but an entirely new philosophical framework within which to interpret both our world and ourselves. Failure to do any of these things will result in a lifelong dystopian hell from which there will be no escape, so the stakes could not be higher. In this respect, it is an extraordinary time to be alive.

265835 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Richard O, 4, #900 of 1931 🔗

And our cultural misunderstanding of yin and yang is symptomatic of this. Not black and white, but complementary directions inherent within everything. To be balanced out. The Chinese have a lot to offer if only they would ditch bloody Lenin.

265846 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #901 of 1931 🔗

Traditional Chinese Medicine and many other ancient practices. All very good – I agree!

265836 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 5, #902 of 1931 🔗

Continental political systems are mostly far less polarised, but it has made no difference to their Covid enslavement.

266066 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Richard O, #903 of 1931 🔗

Agree. But we are not seeing any polarisation over Covid. Labour support the government so there is no true opposition to the measures. The only push back is coming from the back bench tories. Abroad it’s the same. I wish there were more people adopting the sceptics approach like all of us on this site, but I don’t see that reaction in public, even if the opinion polls are fixed. We are a long way off shit/fan interface level yet!

265827 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #904 of 1931 🔗

He’s got the headline in tomorrow’s Guardian sorted; he’s just cut overseas aid from 0.7 to 0.5% of GDP.

265876 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ceriain, 2, #905 of 1931 🔗

Newsnight already had a fit about it last night. Runcie going full on about it. he is just about to take a ONE YEAR PAID FOR SABBATICAL THE TWAT

266354 ▶▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to Iansn, #906 of 1931 🔗

Welby rather than Runcie taking the sabbatical perhaps?

265829 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #907 of 1931 🔗

There’s no starker indicator of the catastrophic madness of this year than that a Conservative chancellor saying “the economy will have shrunk 11% in our first year of government” and the entire left shrieking back “that doesn’t matter you callous bastard”

265843 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #908 of 1931 🔗

Labour, the party of working people.

265837 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #909 of 1931 🔗

Might be time to bring out a trusted old technique soon. Remember how they got millions off Unemployment Benefit? Easy, they just renamed it Job Seeker’s Allowance.

265883 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #910 of 1931 🔗

Universal Basic Income!

265847 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #911 of 1931 🔗

New cycle lanes. FFS!

266028 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 2, #912 of 1931 🔗

PCR cycles??

266073 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, 1, #913 of 1931 🔗

LMFAO! Go to your room, right now! 😉

266105 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 2, #914 of 1931 🔗

45mph and over

266176 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, 1, #915 of 1931 🔗

LOL! Stop it! 🙂 🙂 🙂

265852 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #916 of 1931 🔗

The government’s assessment of all the RT-PCR kits they use:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-phe-laboratory-assessments-of-molecular-tests

This is one of them and the instructions where you can see it says 45 cycles:

https://www.apacor.com/products/caregene-n-cov-rt-pcr-kit-2/

https://www.apacor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/IFU-MNC-EN-A_careGENET-N-CoV-RT-PCR-kit_2020.02.06.pdf

Justs eat the manufacturer this via their webpage:

I see in the instructions for your CareGene™ N-CoV RT-PCR kit that I found via the gov.uk website on the RT-PCR assessment page the instructions on your website say to run 45 cycles.

Is this a requirement from the UK Government (PHE, NHS, DHSC etc) or your own standards?

As they are a private company no FOI laws nor an obligation to an answer so we’ll see what comes back.

265856 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #917 of 1931 🔗

Dearie me, purified water would test positive with 45 cycles.

265865 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 12, #918 of 1931 🔗

A good ‘un …

“There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.”
 John Adams, 1772.

266218 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JohnB, 1, #919 of 1931 🔗

Oddly enough I’ve just been watching the HBO series about the life of John Adams.
You really understand why the Americans value individual liberty in a way that no Briton ever does.

266457 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, #920 of 1931 🔗

Hmm, I think quite a few of us do. We’re just less extroverted about it.

265867 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #921 of 1931 🔗

The shadow chancellor’s response shows that the Commons still thinks its job is to play 19th-century party political games and when the correct move in that entirely irrelevant context isn’t obvious, they don’t have a fucking clue what to say. The Mother of Parliaments has gone the way of the Mother of Dragons. Into a laughable narrative calamity that destroys everything that came before. This year is Britain’s Season 8 of Game of Thrones.

265903 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #922 of 1931 🔗

Please don’t remind me about season 8 🙁

265868 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 24, #923 of 1931 🔗

Sunak announces the future “economic shock” (The worst since 1709) and the unemployment and the misery that will follow.
I’ve spent most of my life being “skint” and at almost 72 and retired, I’m probably more comfortable,( certainly not rich) now than I’ve ever been.
Most of my life is now over but I am extremely concerned about those whose lives have been destroyed by the hysterical overreaction by governments all over the world and I know that this appeal will “fall on stoney ground” but to all the sheep and collaborators out there; please stop following these mad and pointless rules and stop doing “what you are told”.
Misquoting the poster from the 1st world war ” What position did you take during the Covid hysteria, daddy?”.

265880 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #924 of 1931 🔗

Sunak is using the same old, tired mantras of all his predecessors. Nothing he is proposing will repair the damage that has been done. Every sector of the economy other than those monopolised by global corporations has been decimated.

I foresee an emergence of local cooperative schemes completely bypassing the state and corporations as a potential solution. A collapse of the fiat currency system will necessitate more creative means of exchange.

266198 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 2, #925 of 1931 🔗

Yes, assuming we still have the internet (and the freedom to use it) it will be fairly easy to set up local barter/swap/giveaway sites (many areas already have them) as well as some sort of unofficial time-bank/scrip system of currency. This happened in the former Soviet satellite states after the collapse of communism in ’89.

266252 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Cranmer, #926 of 1931 🔗

Don’t need the internet for that. People managed it quite well as you pointed out back in the former soviet states.

265904 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #927 of 1931 🔗

Covid hasn’t caused this, world governments have!

266244 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella Donna, #928 of 1931 🔗

Me,you and all our fellow sceptics know that, BUT???

265926 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #929 of 1931 🔗

Cowardly behaviour and self interest has sacrificed the most vulnerable in society.

265873 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 8, #930 of 1931 🔗

The geography of survival in uncertain times ?

It is a question I ask myself all the time now, where do I know, would that be plausible.   For me and my little girl.

Is there anywhere left in this crowded divided UK to hide out and weather the storm. Is it if even possible in this day and age. Survival of the fittest.

I m trying to say, where, if it came to it and say if something like the “Deagel” nightmare came to pass, would it be possible to hole out and head down to if the sh** hit the fan good and proper.  I m not sure if there are many places left in the UK now.

Is it worth finding somewhere secure to store food/bottled water/blankets. Madness it is, but I have started buying more than I need and I anticipate some food shortages next year.

This goes back to a previous post of mine re “badges” of recognition so we can identify those of like mind and our friends in times of need or survival.

Sitting in an office, still working, doing a job, with these idiot thoughts.  Daft, surely. If I was a rich American I would be seeking my Counsellor !

https://www.subbrit.org.uk/

265910 ▶▶ calchas, replying to nickbowes, 3, #931 of 1931 🔗

In the UK?

somewhere where you have friends, family and a social support network.

All the Best.

Keep maximally stocked up at all times.

266190 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to calchas, 1, #932 of 1931 🔗

In the UK you can’t really go ‘off grid’ anywhere, and as a disarmed population, we can’t stockpile weapons etc. The best thing to do, IMO, is find somewhere to live in a relatively small, homogenous, remote community where people still look out for each other. Keep a reasonable supply of food and emergency goods (my store is for about a month, and I have a bug-out bag for outdoor survival). Get to know places in the locale where you can source drinking water, forage and trap/hunt in case the food network goes down. Make sure you have a bicycle as petrol may become scarce in an emergency.

265878 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #934 of 1931 🔗

Just read this drivel (sorry, it’s hard to be nice all the time). This man claims to be a potential mass murderer:

Opinion: I Traced My Covid-19 Bubble and It’s Enormous

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/20/opinion/sunday/covid-bubble-thanksgiving-family.html?smid=tw-share

To find some empirical foothold in a debate mired in uncertainty, I decided to investigate my own potential lethality to the older people in my life. Among other things, I contact-traced myself — an exercise that ended up being nearly as vulgar as it sounds. I went to all of my regular close contacts, then I went to all of their contacts, and so on, asking everyone about their potential exposure to the virus.

What I found floored me.

It’s all so much work — the worrying, the double-checking, the uncertainty, the constant specter of death. But for family, it’s worth it.

265886 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #935 of 1931 🔗

NY Times doesn’t do debate or facts, so what on earth is he talking about? May it burn down to the ground.

265887 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #936 of 1931 🔗

We need to have separate Countries for these morons so they can live in their fear and misery and the rest of us can just get on with our old normal lives!

265902 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Nobody2020, #937 of 1931 🔗

Good old “OMFG” Slimes comedy!

265888 John P, replying to John P, 3, #938 of 1931 🔗

Melbourne teenager is choked unconscious and thrown to the floor like a rag doll by hotel security, for not wearing a mask.

https://twitter.com/YellowCube7/status/1331572386005540865

265964 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, 1, #940 of 1931 🔗

I just copied the tweet without comment. Whatever the circumstances it is unacceptable brutality.

265896 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to John P, 5, #941 of 1931 🔗

There aren’t any words to express the horror. Those security guards should be arrested and charged.

265897 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John P, 4, #942 of 1931 🔗

I saw that video earlier. If that b’stard had done that to my daughter he’d be a dead man.

265901 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #943 of 1931 🔗

I’m told is was a young man not a young girl. Either way what happened shouldn’t have happened.

265922 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 2, #944 of 1931 🔗

Hopefully the security thug will face jail time and the victim will receive compensation

265924 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 1, #945 of 1931 🔗

Appears from other replies that this was not mask-related. Though who really knows?

265966 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 1, #946 of 1931 🔗

Perhaps, but as you say we don’t know. I just copied the tweet. What we do know is that it was brutality in a public place in broad daylight.

265893 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #947 of 1931 🔗

How very benevolent of Gove and Co. to ‘allow’ us to meet with friends and family this Christmas. 😁 . I’m doing exactly the same as every Christmas regardless of what we’re ‘allowed’ to do. They can go hang!

265916 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bella Donna, #948 of 1931 🔗

Gove’s many millions mean he won’t give a shite either way.

265894 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #949 of 1931 🔗

Report on local news at the moment: 19 year old man dies of Covid and his parents appealing to the public “to take this virus seriously”.
Of course, my heartfelt sympathy goes out to his family.
This situation must be taken in context, however: how many people are killed in road accidents each and every day? but nobody would suggest that there should be a lockdown of cars,motorcycles and buses.

265911 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #950 of 1931 🔗

Note to parents. Literally no one cares. Those who pretend to care are self interested cowards. Those of us that actually do care won’t be heard.

265913 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #951 of 1931 🔗

When Desmond Swayne spoke in Parliament I think he mentioned that Covid was 24th down the list of causes of death. Below the usual suspects heart disease, cancer, stroke etc..

We don’t get daily statistics about deaths caused by other ailments. This is a crime. Cancelled cancer treatments should be taken seriously too.

265917 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #952 of 1931 🔗

I suspect some of these stories are completely fake. Paid actors. This one may or may not be. Either way, it does not justify the destruction of civilisation.

265934 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 9, #953 of 1931 🔗

Absolutely correct.

Anonymous shaming anecdotes are rhetorical tools used to emotionally manipulate the intended audience.

265987 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to awildgoose, 5, #954 of 1931 🔗

Covidians like anecdotes.

Sceptics like data.

266113 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to calchas, 1, #955 of 1931 🔗

Covidians believe in the existence of something called ‘anecdotal data.’

265935 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Richard O, 9, #956 of 1931 🔗

Its certainly hard to take the medical profession at its word now. I wonder how much medical negligence around the world is getting swept under the covid-19 carpet.

265943 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard O, 5, #957 of 1931 🔗

We know front international data that children and young people are at zero risk of getting CV 19 unless they have a serious underlying condition. So I would ask what is the REAL cause of death.

265962 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #958 of 1931 🔗

It could have been flu. Flu strikes young people.

265948 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Richard O, 1, #959 of 1931 🔗

To all my fellow sceptics who replied to my post concerning the death by Covid of the 19 year old.
I always feel uncomfortable commenting on Covid deaths so thank you for your constructive comments.

266051 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #960 of 1931 🔗

If it’s the 19yo reported in the DM the accompanying picture showed a seriously overweight young man who was an amateur wrestler.
Obesity is a known comorbidity of Covid.

266236 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Alan P, 1, #961 of 1931 🔗

Yes, I’m glad you mentioned that.
I agree.

265928 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #962 of 1931 🔗

What about all the suicides from that age group? Funny how MSM doesn’t give daily numbers and gut-wrenchers about that.

265936 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DRW, 8, #963 of 1931 🔗

Right?

We have teens killing themselves so sickly people with one foot in the grave can convalesce in bed for a few weeks longer.

265960 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #964 of 1931 🔗

Even if it is true and even if the unfortunate man had no underlying conditions, the vanishing improbability of this case makes it irrelevant from a public health standpoint, just like the death of a teenager from some ghastly one in a million genetic condition. It’s a personal sorrow for them, that’s all. The parents should not be enlisted by the media as propaganda fodder, but should just be left alone and in dignity.

265974 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #965 of 1931 🔗

Thank you for your constructive comment, N N.
I well remember the case of our Postman’s teenage daughter who went to bed one night and died.
I think it is called “Sudden death syndrome”
No doubt, a F S could clarify that.

266058 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #966 of 1931 🔗

There have been multiple cases of previously fit teenagers suddenly becoming unwell and then dying. On autopsy it is found they have cardiac problems. It appears to affect those that do a lot of exercise, playing football etc. Locally to me there was a 14 year old, in Burton on Trent there was a 16 year old. The real problem is that their ECG can appear normal.
Search for cardiac risk in the young (c-r-y).

265989 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #967 of 1931 🔗

Of course, if a different path had been taken from the start (no lockdowns, not blindly chasing testing/vaccines, looking at alternative treatments) he may very well still be alive.

266065 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #968 of 1931 🔗

People die all the time.

Not clear if he had co-morbidities. Wonder if he neglected his immune system

266115 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #969 of 1931 🔗

5 on average. Plus 70 serious injuries.

266238 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sam Vimes, #970 of 1931 🔗

We rest our case.

266515 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #971 of 1931 🔗

Sadly all the parents of teenagers who committed suicide due to this sh…show do not get this attention from MSM

265900 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #972 of 1931 🔗

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1331488121901477889

As with the Portugal case, unreported elsewhere but this suggests PCR heading for court in Italy now too? Anyone speak Italiano?

265918 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #973 of 1931 🔗

Yes, correct

The text above the Tweet is an accurate summary of the report in the video clip

ITALY: Consumers association says false positives to Covid19 test as diagnosis are 95%. Legal cases started against testing under charges of fraud to procure public funding, false alarm, ideological false, and manslaughter.

265939 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 5, #974 of 1931 🔗

Nice one. Open goal.

Germany cases moving too. Any lawyers who want to make a name for themselves should just tap this in

266005 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #975 of 1931 🔗

Just needs 1 to win and it opens the floodgates. If it wasn’t for the permanent destruction done so far, this will be a lot of fun to watch as numerous people in high positions will be going to prison (we hope!).

266431 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anothersceptic2, #976 of 1931 🔗

Jail is in the mix but unlikely. Tax payer will foot the bill for payouts by the gov as per usual

265907 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 12, #977 of 1931 🔗

Hopefully the statement out of the Chancellors office might wake up all the public servants who have gone along with this and aided the damaging policies all the way back to Feb. This country could never afford communism and yet these idiots aided it and supported it without regard for how the other side would pay you back with disregard & insult. While Boris’s club made billions you surrendered your pathetic 2% pay rise.

Now think about the many who don’t have the luxury of flat shares or single income living. Those who not only get shite pay from the public sector but also have private sector partners who have lost thousands through their selfish and ill advised policies. Double whammy for them poor suckers.

Well meaning idiots are still idiots. All it would have taken in Feb is courage. And not self interest and panic and you might have got out of this with a 5% GDP hit. But nope. Well done you selfish cowards.

265937 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, 10, #978 of 1931 🔗

I had a job in the public sector and about 90% of staff at that organisation were literally professional sheep. They even had intranet and MSM livefeed tabs open all day for their latest programming. I have nothing even slightly nice to say about management.

265961 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to DRW, 5, #979 of 1931 🔗

To be fair you have to be a professional sheep to work in the public sector.

265963 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, 4, #980 of 1931 🔗

I prefer the term leech for people who work for the people who take my money by force

266000 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DRW, #981 of 1931 🔗

In my experience, management in the private sector that I worked in was just as bad.
IE: If in doubt, call another meeting!

266049 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DRW, #982 of 1931 🔗

I think it’s a 45/45set up. 45% are young, keen, a bit divy and think they will change the world. The other 45% have been in it for far too long, got jaded and just bitter over the terrible pay and lack of progress and want the hell out as it’s taken their (somewhat naive) dreams away from them.

The remaining 10% are the elite senior levels who are in it as a “service” profession and don’t care about the wages or the realities of it. Always on their big money but never needing the salary in the first place.

265921 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #984 of 1931 🔗

And 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025….fuck off.

265925 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #985 of 1931 🔗

Good..I don’t like Spain for holidays anyway.Not that I will be able to fly anyway without a vaccine..

265975 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #986 of 1931 🔗

Delete

265931 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #987 of 1931 🔗

I guess Barca and all other tourist destinations can kiss their economic asses goodbye.

Forever.

265956 ▶▶ assoc, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #988 of 1931 🔗

Do you have to wear a mask on a nudist beach?

265983 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Darryl, 1, #990 of 1931 🔗

Is the beach scattered with sensors to detect nudists farting.

Doing it with clothes on is one thing, but unprotected ..?

266048 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Darryl, 1, #991 of 1931 🔗

We’ve got a nudist beach here in Dorset, might be a bit nippy there today though….

Suppose you could use a mask to keep your “bits” warm perhaps?

265978 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to assoc, 1, #992 of 1931 🔗

I believe it is.
Skinny dipping is a fantastic experience but not in a BLOODY FACE NAPPY.

265972 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #993 of 1931 🔗

In the immortally eloquent words of Withnail, they can stuff it up their arse for nothing and fuck off while they’re doing it.

266003 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #994 of 1931 🔗

Cool your boots man, this vaccine is valued at 2 quid..

266052 ▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #995 of 1931 🔗

So I must now cancel my riding holiday, postponed from last May.

266063 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #996 of 1931 🔗

Is there something about the Spanish weather that means Masks work there, but don’t work in the rest of the world ?

265914 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 3, #997 of 1931 🔗

If you think the UK (England) is bad, take a look at what is happening in France. Are they using the same playbook?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/macron-s-covid-war-goes-from-bad-to-worse

265944 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ozzie, 5, #998 of 1931 🔗

Macron is a dictator

265959 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 4, #999 of 1931 🔗

As is Johnson.

266009 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ben, 3, #1000 of 1931 🔗

Ex-Rothschild banker so clearly a puppet. I stopped listening to anything he had to say as soon as I read his background.

265958 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1001 of 1931 🔗

You’ve just contradicted yourself!

Macron seems to have a similar attitude to this as Johnson unfortunately.

I’m not sure which is worse. In any event I’m ignoring Johnson as far as I am able.

265973 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ozzie, #1002 of 1931 🔗

‘Convergent blundering,

265920 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1003 of 1931 🔗
265933 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1004 of 1931 🔗

Amazing post!

265942 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #1005 of 1931 🔗

The test is meaningless anyway. Hence why it’s being contested in courts around the world. What happened to staying home if feeling unwell? This insanity of testing healthy people and declaring them unwell must stop

266012 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ben, 1, #1006 of 1931 🔗

Exactly, it doesn’t matter if we doing all tests at no more than 25 cycles, it’s still meaningless in the context it’s being used.

265977 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1007 of 1931 🔗

Vital information – cf. Portuguese court’s analysis.

265930 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1008 of 1931 🔗

While mooching the gov.uk website found this document about RT-PCR tests and assessment:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/889795/Assay_Validation_Situation_update_report.pdf

In it are the statements:

From January 2020 onwards, PHE was approached by diagnostic kit manufacturingcompanies (SME’s to large multi-nationals) with products at differing points with regard to market entry.

Desktop review selected several assays from amongst those first-to-market with testing timetabled for 3-months commencing 3 February 2020

So the plans were coming into place at the beginning of the year for mass testing.

Going through lines in the document you end up with these 2 e-mails:

PHE COVID-19 Virology Cell WNCoV.virology@phe.gov.uk
PHE COVID-19 Testing Cell PHECOVID-19Testing@phe.gov.uk

Or this one on the page about the SARS-COV-2 deactivation:

High Containment Microbiology ( HCM ) inactivation testing should be directed to HCMgroup@phe.gov.uk

Any scientists out there who want to send them some technical questions?

And for real boring reading the MHRA standards for a target product profile for the tests to meet:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926921/TPP_lab_based_viral_detection-final.pdf

266044 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1009 of 1931 🔗

Sent the testing e-mail a missive and some questions.

Will let you know what comes back, if anything.

265950 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1010 of 1931 🔗

4 in 10 UK Doctors are anti-vaxx and conspiracy theorists (my interpretation):

Are UK Doctors Sceptical of COVID-19 Vaccine?
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941492?nlid=138410_5144&src=WNL_ukmdpls_201125_mscpedit_gen&uac=399534EG&impID=2697957&faf=1

A Medscape UK reader poll of 308 UK doctors found 4 in 10 would not have a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as one is approved by the MHRA.

265965 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1011 of 1931 🔗

Very good news indeed. The vaccine really does look like being the straw that will break the camel’s back.

265968 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1012 of 1931 🔗

…and many of the others just said they would have one, because they were worried that their opinions were being monitored.

265993 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, #1013 of 1931 🔗

Cynical, but true.

265976 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #1014 of 1931 🔗

Was on here:

https://worldtourismforum.net/resources-download/

Subscribed and downloaded some of their reports – pretty grim reading.

265997 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #1015 of 1931 🔗

Some panic striken reports there. A lot seems to rest on the idea that a lot of tourism will never return and any that does will be bailed out (government investment with strings they seem to want to call it)

265981 Doodle, replying to Doodle, 23, #1016 of 1931 🔗

I’ve been playing around with a design for a badge that would give a discrete signal about where you stand on the lockdown(s), especially to like minded people.

I’m not sure about doing this, echoes of the 1930s and all that. On the other hand if you saw somebody wearing one you could shake their hand, hug them or just talk and offload your fears to each other.

I dunno, I’ll have to think about this some more.

266007 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Doodle, 2, #1017 of 1931 🔗

Wearing what you want is enough. Freedom is the default position. No justification required.

Freedom means no freedom passes

266021 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Doodle, 5, #1018 of 1931 🔗

I love the idea. Only worryI have is the Stasi or secret surveillance or real police of video cameras signalling us out for terror later on. I hate that I wrote that sentence. It’s clear we are already there isn’t it?!

266033 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Doodle, 5, #1019 of 1931 🔗

I like the badge, but we shouldn’t need to be covert in our opposition with these w@nkers.

Mind you, you’ll have Bill Gates rushing to remove any similar icons from Windoze and consulting his lawyers!

Lol! He might send someone with a needle to “vaccinate” you!

I actually saw someone wearing 2 masks yesterday, a paper tradesman dusk mask and a black cloth one over the top, whilst she was walking along the seafront, many metres from anyone else. She might have been 40 to 50 (ish) – difficult to tell with no face…..

Sometimes I think there is hope for the Human Race and Common Sense but then when I see that I’m not so sure.

266070 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dhid, 3, #1020 of 1931 🔗

I actually saw someone wearing 2 masks yesterday, a paper tradesman dusk mask and a black cloth one over the top…

Yeah, I’ve seen that a couple of times; weirdest thing, isn’t it? First thought was: “How can they breathe properly? One mask is bad enough, surely”

266184 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1021 of 1931 🔗

It is weird, they probably only watch the BBC, and are unfortunate enough to think that what they peddle is true about the “danger”.

I also don’t know how they can breathe with even one, I can’t and strangely enough as I have a certain fondness for oxygen and living, I don’t!

I am also slightly claustrophobic in crowds, but have become able to cope with it over the years, but with most people masked now, I find it quite freakish frankly.

We are in very disturbing times now, in my view.

265982 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 65, #1022 of 1931 🔗

Well, I just got both sides of the coin on a brisk walk round to the local shop.

First, walking towards me is a girl (maskless) who couldn’t have been more than 20; she literally turned her face to the hedge of a garden and flattened herself against it. I just shook my head.

Ignoring this I walked on, and coming towards me another young lady, about 24/25, pushing a pram. “What’s up with her?” she says. “One of those nutters?”
“I think so, says I.”
“Obviously thinks you can get get it walking past people in the street. Dozy cow needs to stay in her house wearing a mask, if he’s that scared,” she says.

I like babies, so I says, “Can I see your baby?”
“Course you can,” says she.
“You’re not scared I’ll give it the plague, then?”
“Nah!” she says, “It’s all bollocks.”
I had a quick peek at the baby (gorgeous little girl), and slipped a couple of pound coins under her pillow.
“What’s that for?” the young lady says.
“Scottish thing,” says I, “Put it in your baby’s bank.”

We smiled at each other and went our separate ways.

All is not lost yet. 🙂

266041 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1023 of 1931 🔗

Ignore the negative and reward the positive.

266087 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1024 of 1931 🔗

Great story – these are the encounters that add joy to the day.

266172 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, 14, #1025 of 1931 🔗

A couple of the other things she said were so true, Ozzie.

She didn’t like people with masks on peering into the pram: “My baby needs to see friendly faces!”

She also thought that most people wearing masks just looked “miserable!”

Smartest person I’ve spoke to for weeks. I’ll look out for her next time she passes the house.

266632 ▶▶ Hairy Bob, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1026 of 1931 🔗

Thanks for posting. I feel all warm and fuzzy now, although that may be the Cabernet Sauvignon ….

265985 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 3, #1027 of 1931 🔗

I’ve put a big chunk of my savings into funds tracking big tech, big pharma, AI etc, despite despising them in every way possible.

Does that make me a hypocrite? Immoral? Or just someone trying to do the best by his family and acknowledging the reality of the situation?

265995 ▶▶ calchas, replying to kenadams, 3, #1028 of 1931 🔗

Those gains are now in..

Move now to hard assets to escape inevitable hyperinflation.

266016 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to calchas, #1029 of 1931 🔗

Gold? Silver? Bitcoin?

Hard to convince husband to move it….

266240 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Country Mumkin, #1030 of 1931 🔗

It’s taken me ages to be brave enough. The thing is, just leaving savings in cash in the current climate is just as much a risk, if not more, than putting it into gold/funds/bitcoin.

266030 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to calchas, 2, #1031 of 1931 🔗

I did it a few months ago so got about 20% gains baked in. It is tempting to sell. I’ve also put some in gold (actual physical gold, not stocks or ETFs) and bitcoin. Might move it around so more heavily in those two and less on stocks.

I’m worried about bitcoin, though. Beyond general volatility of it, it looks like any crypto currency revolution will be by central government gapped currencies, not bitcoin.

266047 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kenadams, #1032 of 1931 🔗

What are the reputable ways of doing that – I’ve been thinking of it for a while now.

266053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CGL, #1033 of 1931 🔗

Do a SIPP with someone like these guys, :

https://www.bullionvault.com/info/gold-sipp-pension-plan

One of the companies doing it is actually part of the Treasury/Royal Mint but still researching things as I’m going to start putting any excess earnings into one of these SIPPs to cut down any tax liabilities.

266054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #1034 of 1931 🔗

Few more on duckduckgo search:

sipp gold silver

266056 ▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to CGL, 1, #1035 of 1931 🔗

Bitcoin? It’s fairly easy to buy it on something like Coinbase. But, then you only sort of own it. If you want to actually own the bitcoin itself you need to buy a ‘hardwear’ wallet. I got the Ledger Nano S, but there are others out there. You can then buy the bitcoin and transfer it to the Ledger Nano S, so it is not on the internet at all and can’t be stolen.

Gold? I got mine at Bullion by Post, and there are other similar companies. They then store it for you in a vault for a small fee. It doesn’t make much sense as an investment in normal times because there’s no ‘dividend’ and there’s a small cost for storage. However, it is a good hedge against inflation. And it’s an actual physical asset that is used to help build things, so it does have intrinsic value in addition to the speculation value.

266061 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to kenadams, 1, #1036 of 1931 🔗

Aside from the investment angle, there’s also something just nice about owning 24 carat gold! I’ve even had one of the (very small!) bars sent to my house, despite the risk if it was stolen, because I like just looking at it and holding it in my hand. It has a very pleasing weight to size ratio.

266060 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CGL, 2, #1037 of 1931 🔗

I’ve also bought the non-CGT Brittanias in gold and silver form these guys before, even went to their office and collected them once:

https://www.thegoldbullion.co.uk

266294 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kenadams, #1038 of 1931 🔗

Agree with Bitcoin – I suspect it will stick around for a while, but the real issue is widespread acceptance. Not sure yet, that will come.

266001 ▶▶ merlin, replying to kenadams, 3, #1039 of 1931 🔗

Big pharma is going to crash. Press sell and wash your hands.

266045 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to kenadams, #1040 of 1931 🔗

What I’d really like to do is pay off our mortgage. Unfortunately, we don’t have anywhere near enough savings to do so 😉

266050 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to kenadams, 2, #1041 of 1931 🔗

Never apologise for taking responsibility for you and yours.

Individual human agency progresses mankind, collectivism doesn’t.

266144 ▶▶ kf99, replying to kenadams, #1042 of 1931 🔗

Anyone in a global or US fund via their pension etc is investing in the big tech companies that are are milking lockdown. I’m not sure there’s anything wrong with that. It’s the madness of crowds but working in our favour. I’ve tried investing in small ethical UK companies in the past but they have a habit of going tits up.

265986 Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1043 of 1931 🔗
265992 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 5, #1044 of 1931 🔗

Hello moomin,
I believe we are now seeing the beginning of the end of this madness. Wherever you look all you hear is people moaning that Christmas will lead to an increase in covid-19 because of the relaxation of the rules. But I take a more optimistic point of view based on evidence and history. As everyone knows Liverpool had the highest rate of covid in the country but now after 44,000 tests we find the rate there is 187 per 100,000 which is the national average. Is this because of the lockdown NO as Dr Claire Craig said recently the test being used is different to the PCR test, it’s more accurate. As she and others such as Dr Mike Yeadon have said the pandemic is largely over and the increases in cases is due to false positives. Even the so called deaths from covid are being questioned mainly because the deaths from flu/pneumonia which increase at this time of year have magically disappeared.
The other positive is vaccines, while many of us have reservations what are the long term affects and does it make you contagious. I ask this because when the vaccine was first tested on monkey’s it was found they secreted virus particles in their nasal secretions. Also as Dr Mike Yeadon said recently if your under 70 without any health problems why would you want a vaccine. So I will wait until my questions are answered or until forced to, in the meantime I will continue to take vitamin D.
My last reason for being optimistic goes back to the 80s when AIDS was the big killer, the RCN told us we would have a million aids victims. The government announced that by the year 2000 everyone would know someone personally who had aids. The true figure 5000 which as never changed shows you how badly government can get its numbers wrong.In the 80s I and many others speculated what if they was a airborne virus like AIDS it would kill millions if not billions. It was on this governments around the world

266006 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #1045 of 1931 🔗

Have you heard of Ivor Cummins? He’s amazing at stats for Ireland. On Twitter, lots of people follow him. He’s a goodie! Well, one of his recent videos sums it up for me. It is short, so do take a look. It’s basically very much not over. Many people in gov, academia, WHO, WEF, UN etc don’t want it to be. And here is an academic TALKING TO A CLASS OF SCHOOL CHILDREN, telling them what they should do going forward…. Scary!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IcwLxCo2pM

266097 ▶▶▶ Cheshire Andy, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1046 of 1931 🔗

In the video the Prof. describes wearing face masks as being like in China, just like everything else he says, dead wrong. No face masks in China, Facial Recognition surveillance is almost everywhere now, so no face masks (for obvious reasons), except where the cameras are lacking (Public Transport). Also, no (or next to no) SARS-COV2/COVID-19 in China (except imported – official line), does anyone else find that adds yet more to the evidence that this is all a hoax.

266210 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Country Mumkin, #1047 of 1931 🔗

Hello Country Mumkin,
yes I often watch Ivor’s videos he’s amazing in explaining how we’ve been lied to. But as I said to Ovis I never said the madness was over I just believe this is the beginning of the end. I could be wrong about the vaccines this is why I will continue taking vitamin D as I know it works. But covid is not airborne AIDS otherwise when the restrictions were relaxed here or in countries like Sweden we would have seen a surge in deaths. We never did but where was politicians pointing this out of for that matter the media?

266080 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #1048 of 1931 🔗

I wish I could agree that the end of the epidemic would mean the end of the ‘situation.’ But we know the ‘situation’ has not had anything much to do with the rona for months.

In the Summer, Delingpole was confidently predicting that the one good thing about the BLM mostly peaceful protests (TM) was that they would end the lockdown. But what happened? There was no significant impact of BLM on infections by any measure – but the regime carried on regardless.

Facts about the rona are now literally irrelevant. This is a purely political phenomenon.

266182 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Ovis, 4, #1049 of 1931 🔗

Hello Ovis,
I didn’t say the madness was over I just believe this is the beginning of the end. We now have tests that show the increase in infections was based on false positives. We now getting vaccines which will protect the over 70s and those with health problems,in other words those who are dying of covid. My other point is just like AIDS the government as repeatedly over reacted to covid but as the evidence comes in it will be shown how wrong the government is. I believe after Christmas we won’t get a surge in infections like everyone seems to believe, mainly because the pandemic is over and people are being safe. So as the evidence becomes a flood the government will find it very hard to continue lying to us.Then and only then will you see the madness end,and then we will see who have let us down. The politicians !

P.S. We have been lucky covid-19 could have been like AIDS it wasn’t so why continue the madness ?

266343 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Derek Toyne, #1050 of 1931 🔗

Hi Derek,
I hope you’re right.

I would agree with Julian’s comment above re: the vaccine, though. I’m by no means ‘anti-vax,’ but I do not see this politically overburdened vaccine as a jolly good thing. Specifically on your hopes for it, is it not rather unlikely that it will be directly beneficial to the over-70s at all? They are unlikely to have the requisite response to the great vaccine. The only way they can be considered ‘protected’ by it is if the rest of us are jabbed – the rest of us who might just as well have got herd immunity the old fashioned way, and in all likelihood actually have done so by now.

266171 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #1051 of 1931 🔗

The pandemic as a catastrophic threat the public health warranting shutting the world down indefinitely never really started

The pandemic as a cause of a noticeable increase in mortality compared to recent averages in countries with vulnerable populations (mainly older and ill) was more or less over in the early summer

The reason we’re still in the middle of nonsense is nothing to do with the threat but is to do with mass brainwashing, hysteria and dishonest politicians

I really don’t see a vaccine as positive. In a few years time, if properly tested, it may be useful for some, but right now an emergency vaccine is not warranted and the danger is that if it gets us “back to normal” then the next time there is a similar new virus there will be another mad rush to shut down and wait for a vaccine – it validates the disastrous approach taken

266663 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Julian, #1052 of 1931 🔗

Hello Julian,
I agree the vaccine may not be the answer to the pandemic after all every time Boris tells us we have a world beating this or that reality kicks in and nothing changes. The other day I read that the reason covid-19 occurred was because the Chinese began to use an experimental vaccine against sars in Wuhan. I don’t know how true this is but any sensible person would be cautious instead of charging headlong into vaccinating everybody. This is why I will continue taking vitamin D until I know the vaccine doesn’t make me contagious or have long term affects.

266587 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #1053 of 1931 🔗

Yeadon and Craig are right and will be proved so before too long . All we have to do is continue to protest against the P C R tests and the truth will out .

265996 leggy, replying to leggy, 2, #1054 of 1931 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted here before. Heiko Khoo very funnily trolling the police in Speaker’s Corner whilst on a Boris bike. If you need a pick me up, this might help.

https://youtu.be/XKIiCRuFYV0

266668 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to leggy, #1055 of 1931 🔗

He looks like an escapee from a Mary Poppins set. Nifty cyclist.

265999 chris, replying to chris, 4, #1056 of 1931 🔗

I posted a link to the twitter video of a security? person choking unconscious a teen ager for apparently not wearing a mask in a hotel. I got 2 replies both agreeing with the violence. Surely, no-one genuinely commenting on this website would be so unpleasant. I guess there are government/pharma trolls infecting the comments.

266011 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to chris, 1, #1057 of 1931 🔗

I suggest you read what’s written before jumping to conclusions.

266126 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1058 of 1931 🔗

Nobody 2020, this what you wrote:-

Regardless of the authenticity, there will be people out there thinking he deserved it.
These people think that the rules will not apply to them because they are saints. They will be the first to claim that they do not deserve to be treated in that way. Well if they ever fall foul of “the law” there should be no sympathy for them either.

266132 ▶▶▶▶ chris, replying to chris, #1059 of 1931 🔗

Nobody 2020, have you ever applied to be a Magistrate? You might just fit in!

266199 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to chris, 1, #1060 of 1931 🔗

So you’re incapable of reading then. You must be as dumb as you come across if you think what I wrote is condoning what happened.

266533 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris, replying to Nobody2020, #1061 of 1931 🔗

Troll

266017 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chris, 5, #1062 of 1931 🔗

One of those who replied was me – I posted a link to a news article. I’m in NO WAY condoning a security person choke holding a teenager into unconsciousness, but I just pointed out that the article claimed that the reason for the eviction was nothing to do with not wearing a mask. I don’t claim the article is a true representation of the events leading up to the incident, but I don’t know what is true. We cannot jump to conclusions, or we cannot claim to be on the side of truth.

266025 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to leggy, #1063 of 1931 🔗

Actually – I replied to John P posting that tweet, not to you. I didn’t see your post.

266022 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to chris, 3, #1064 of 1931 🔗

Yes, you have to remember that the SS (77th) brigade will be lurking on all public platforms, but they never add anything to the conversation.

266385 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to chris, 1, #1065 of 1931 🔗

I strongly suspect they are.

266002 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1066 of 1931 🔗

If you are really bored and cannot sleep you can read this WEF report from 2011 about the Travel and Tourism Industry competitiveness:

https://www.slideshare.net/confgeneva/wef-travel-tourism-competitiveness-report-2011

Sections 1.7 and 1.8 are the green agenda bit.

266018 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, #1067 of 1931 🔗

I’m bored and insomniac enough to want to read that – I’m getting a 504 error though :/

266306 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, #1069 of 1931 🔗

10 pages in. I’ll sleep well now.

266411 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, #1070 of 1931 🔗

Only 521 to go.

266014 Lisa Wakeman, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 36, #1071 of 1931 🔗

Just been reading the comments on the Yorkshire Live website for poor Sinead Quinn and her hairdressing business.
The hate!! Just for her standing up to stay open. I no longer recognise this country. 🙁 Does anyone know if there is a crowd funding page up and running to help Sinead ?

266027 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 28, #1072 of 1931 🔗

The hate comments on stories like this are organised, maybe 77th. Individual acts of defiance are the most powerful weapons against the tyranny. We definitely need more like Sinead.

266029 ▶▶▶ Lisa Wakeman, replying to merlin, 13, #1073 of 1931 🔗

I agree re the hate comments. But at the end of the day this poor girl now has fines totalling £27,000.

266036 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 12, #1074 of 1931 🔗

I bet she doesn’t end up having to pay a penny…

266040 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa Wakeman, replying to Will, 9, #1075 of 1931 🔗

Either way, this story should be followed in some way

266043 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lisa Wakeman, 9, #1076 of 1931 🔗

Ditto, the shop in Droitwich who are continuously being harassed by the police.

266062 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #1077 of 1931 🔗

The English have a very poor record for giving support to anyone who is courageous enough to stand by their beliefs.

266084 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1078 of 1931 🔗

I wrote to offer financial support and got a very nice reply – seems like they have things under control and are getting legal assistance. It would be nice if we could have a list of companies making a stand like this.

266233 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cranmer, 3, #1079 of 1931 🔗

Great to hear that.

266059 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 13, #1080 of 1931 🔗

Social media does not at all reflect the reality on the ground. I am strictly limiting my usage accordingly.

266379 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard O, 4, #1081 of 1931 🔗

We need to remember that. People with empty lives aka Billy no mates tend to go on these sites to vent their vitriol at others.

266072 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 4, #1082 of 1931 🔗

What’s more worrying is that the facebook page of the business appears to have been removed, and it is not appearing in any searches on Duck Duck Go – all references are newspaper articles critical of her stand on Lockdown. I would like to get in touch to offer financial support – does anyone have an email address?

266216 ▶▶▶ Lisa Wakeman, replying to Cranmer, #1083 of 1931 🔗

I have had a look online today and cant find any email contacts re helping her

266383 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cranmer, #1084 of 1931 🔗

Can you find the actual hairdressers salon name on duck duck. We know the area just need an address or postcode.

266020 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #1085 of 1931 🔗

One only has to read the front page of BBC News online to understand just how thick the British people are

266083 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1086 of 1931 🔗

#Homo Non Sapiens

266146 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, #1087 of 1931 🔗

Right, and what they think they can get away with in their “Reality Check” articles as well.

266023 Victoria, 4, #1088 of 1931 🔗

Mask Mandate Letter  Draft to email to your MP

https://saveourrights.uk/covid-resistance/mask-mandate-letter/

266026 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1089 of 1931 🔗

This is a warning to how those in power infest your family space. US Governor asks that kids snitch on their family, and many kids, being the good souls they are will.

This alongside the Luke O Neill school presentation has me sickened

266032 ▶▶ Will, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 17, #1090 of 1931 🔗

Straight out of the Stasi play book.

266078 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #1092 of 1931 🔗

Hear, hear!! Its been an eye opener to learn the people you know and love reveal their true selves or reveal who they can be when push comes to shove.

266091 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, #1093 of 1931 🔗

This subreddit is one of my favourite reads at the end of each day; the piss taking is superb in most posts. 👍

266039 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1094 of 1931 🔗

Unfuckingbelievable

266042 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #1095 of 1931 🔗

The Spies are a comin’.

“Are you guilty?” said Winston.

“Of course I’m guilty!” cried Parsons with a servile glance at the telescreen. “You don’t think the Party would arrest an innocent man, do you?” His frog-like face grew calmer, and even took on a slightly sanctimonious expression. “Thoughtcrime is a dreadful thing, old man,” he said sententiously. “It’s insidious. It can get hold of you without your even knowing it. Do you know how it got hold of me? In my sleep! Yes, that’s a fact. There I was, working away, trying to do my bit—never knew I had any bad stuff in my mind at all. And then I started talking in my sleep. Do you know what they heard me saying?”

He sank his voice, like someone who is obliged for medical reasons to utter an obscenity.

“‘Down with Big Brother!’ Yes, I said that! Said it over and over again, it seems. Between you and me, old man, I’m glad they got me before it went any further. Do you know what I’m going to say to them when I go up before the tribunal? ‘Thank you,’ I’m going to say, ‘thank you for saving me before it was too late.’”

“Who denounced you?” said Winston.

It was my little daughter ,” said Parsons with a sort of doleful pride. “She listened at the keyhole. Heard what I was saying, and nipped off to the patrols the very next day. Pretty smart for a nipper of seven, eh? I don’t bear her any grudge for it. In fact I’m proud of her. It shows I brought her up in the right spirit, anyway.”

Just sayin’.

266075 ▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1096 of 1931 🔗

“The children were systematically turned against their parents and taught to spy on them and report their deviations. The family has become in effect an extension of the Thought Police. It was a device by means of which everyone could be surrounded night and day by informers who knew him intimately”

266162 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 1, #1097 of 1931 🔗

Damn you, leggy. 😉 I could’ve posted that shorter bit instead. 🙂

Serious point, though: One of the things I hear all the time from people is “Oh, 1984 is just exaggeration; it could never happen!”

They forget that, as Will says above, it’s exactly what the Stasi did.

266099 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1098 of 1931 🔗

That’s made me feel sick

266197 ▶▶ mjr, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1099 of 1931 🔗

Reminds me of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge “re-education” and great restart

266031 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 7, #1100 of 1931 🔗

Airline passengers are down from 4.3 billion last year to 1.8 billion in 2020.

No Jab/No Fly will take care of this residual remnant. Green is good.

266076 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stuart, 8, #1101 of 1931 🔗

Yep. No jab/no fly will be the final nail in the coffin of the aviation sector and that’s the green movement’s wet dream come true – flying for the elites, the rest of us back to the Stone Age.

266094 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Stuart, 4, #1102 of 1931 🔗

The rich will still be flying. Caroline Lucas, Green politicians, celebrities, Greta Thunberg, Tony Blair etc etc will still be flying

266122 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ben, 3, #1103 of 1931 🔗

…and we won’t see it because it will be private jets going to and from private airfields or closed off areas of airports.

266035 Darryl, 5, #1104 of 1931 🔗

Promoting the cause, whilst complying with the rules.

3 little sheep go to the super market https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRaeLkhbvRY

266086 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 2, #1106 of 1931 🔗

MPs have taken our rights, so it seems pointless asking them to give them back.

266187 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Victoria, 1, #1107 of 1931 🔗

I’ve given up with my MP, fat waste of space career politician, who has never worked a day in his life. He is thick as shite and it does not matter how much evidence I have thrown at him, it has fallen on deaf ears. He was them same during Brexit, a total waster.

266214 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #1108 of 1931 🔗

Agree, I need to do something. I am going to use my emails as evidence at the next election when he tries to convince people to vote for him.

Interestingly, the vaccine email was ‘undelivered Return to Sender’ – another way to censor debate

266057 Michael, replying to Michael, 15, #1109 of 1931 🔗

Totally agree with all these points. My frustration when listening to Heneghan, Clare Craig, Ivor Cummins, Mike Yeadon, Sumitra Gupta, Levitt and the rest, is that the likes of Mr Hancock or SAGE scientists are not there to be rigorously questioned and forced to give answers. It is an outrage that this government and SAGE have been allowed to get away with lying to the population. Unfortunately, a great many of the British population fall for the lies. Even when proof and stats are shown that the government are showing false info, many people refuse to listen to the other side of the argument, often citing conspiracy. It really is a depressing situation.

266429 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Michael, #1110 of 1931 🔗

I would add that those saying “the truth will come out in the end” are probably mistaken.

That’s why every effort needs to be made to keep pointing out the lies and the logical fallacies being employed.

The truth will only come out in the end if we make it.

266068 Eddy, replying to Eddy, #1111 of 1931 🔗

2025

266077 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Eddy, 1, #1112 of 1931 🔗

Is that the Unpublished sequel to George Orwell’s tome?

266069 Jo, replying to Jo, 6, #1113 of 1931 🔗

Talk radio live now – Charles Walker MP

266093 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Jo, 4, #1114 of 1931 🔗

He is OUR leader. Brilliant interview Charles.

266106 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Eddy, 2, #1115 of 1931 🔗

Cannot understand who these people are who are criticising him for saying what he said – unreal.
I have just emailed him to say thank you.
I’ve just seen a horrible film on twitter in Australia – a young woman choked unconscious and thrown on the floor in what looked like a railway station(?) because she wasn’t wearing a mask. I wish I hadn’t seen it – only just got over the video of the 72 year old woman Charles Walker was talking about. I feel horrible now.

266095 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jo, 4, #1116 of 1931 🔗

Well said Charles

266074 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1117 of 1931 🔗

Evening Standard: Spring holidays should be possible after widespread vaccination, says Professor Neil Ferguson.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/spring-holidays-vaccination-covid-neil-ferguson-b78956.html

You’ve got laugh. Canaries in two weeks time, lockdown, Tier One, Two, Three or otherwise.

266079 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #1118 of 1931 🔗

Neil Ferguson should be on trial for crimes against humanity.. He might allow us our freedom.. or he might not

The same Neil Ferguson who resigned after being caught breaking lockdown rules to meet a married lover

266110 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ben, 4, #1119 of 1931 🔗

It’s the way these scientists say everything tentatively. ‘You MAY get to see your family at Christmas’.

Get to fuck, haha.

266119 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ben, 2, #1120 of 1931 🔗

The public response to Cummings breaking the lockdown was markedly more severe than when Ferguson did it, even though the latter, unlike the former, had absolutely no mitigating circumstances. Can’t help thinking some people are more equal than others.

266177 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, #1121 of 1931 🔗

Ferguson has perpetrated no ‘crimes against humanity’. Be clear. Hysteria and hyperbole doesn’t help.

He’s just done crap research and flouted a daft regulation in order to get himself a bonk.

The problem is with the propaganda organisations that still give him a platform after multiple failure.

266081 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1122 of 1931 🔗

Why is Ferguson making pronouncements about this? Vaccination is absolutely not his area of expertise.

266088 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Recusant, 4, #1123 of 1931 🔗

Does he have one?

266092 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1124 of 1931 🔗

Making stuff up is, I believe, his area of expertise.

266141 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Recusant, 2, #1125 of 1931 🔗

Because he is a C@nt!

266090 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1126 of 1931 🔗

They are pushing this way too hard. So unnecessary, a slightly more incremental approach would be certain to work. This is a lesson in hubris 101, and is going to backfire badly.

266363 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard O, 1, #1127 of 1931 🔗

I think u r right. I think people have reached saturation level with it all. By now the whole thing should have dropped out of the news headlines.

266102 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1128 of 1931 🔗

Neil Ferguson should have his passport confiscated and bail conditions not to leave the country

266169 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1129 of 1931 🔗

I’d like to take him to Maga and get him mugged by an African prostitute. It’d be like when Tom Cruise takes Rain Man to the casino.

266191 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1130 of 1931 🔗

If the virus is seasonal then it should be possible without the vaccine.

266417 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1131 of 1931 🔗

WHAT’S IT GOT TO DO WITH HIM ANY MORE???

266082 Anthony Bainbridge, replying to Anthony Bainbridge, #1132 of 1931 🔗

I tried this list of 20 Questions on my MP, who didn’t rise to the bait but simply mentioned Confirmatory Bias.

266117 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Anthony Bainbridge, 1, #1133 of 1931 🔗

Confirmation bias? Sounds like your MP knows all about that!

I’m going to try them one by one.

266085 Saved To Death, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #1134 of 1931 🔗

I have started receiving calls from 03005610230 – apparently the NHS immunisation management service who have left a answer phone message saying that apparently I have declined my child flu vaccine and they will call again to discuss this.

I did ignore the letters they sent, I texted DECLINE in response to the text messages they sent, both me and my wife have been phoned on multiple occasions by the GP surgery and we both declined. Not sure why they cannot take the word of one parent. Now this! This is just wrong. I do not need nor wish to discuss my child flu vaccination – he is not having one. What is going on?

266096 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #1135 of 1931 🔗

Report them for harassment?

266114 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1136 of 1931 🔗

It certainly starting to feel like harassment. Makes me wonder the lengths they are going to go to to try and make him have the cv19 vaccine. If they are going to these lengths for the flu(that doesn’t exist anymore apparently) what lengths are they going to go to for the vaccine for the most dangerous virus ever to exist. (Of course I do know that in reality flu is a bigger threat to him then cv19).

266098 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #1137 of 1931 🔗

Take the call say ‘Fuck Off’ and end the call

266112 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Saved To Death, #1138 of 1931 🔗

There’s nothing to discuss. No means no.

266150 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #1139 of 1931 🔗

That’s against GDPR too isn’t it?

I would file a complaint if I were you.

266201 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Saved To Death, #1140 of 1931 🔗

I found that it is better not to respond. Just ignore

266353 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Saved To Death, #1141 of 1931 🔗

I guess the NHS immunisation service is new and taking more billions of pounds and frittering it away so, must be seen to be doing something for their massive salaries.

266705 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Saved To Death, #1142 of 1931 🔗

Apparently all the Year 7 kids have had it at the school our kids go to – why do 12 year olds need a flu jab????

266708 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Saved To Death, #1143 of 1931 🔗

Say flu’s been eradicated anyway.

266089 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 13, #1144 of 1931 🔗

Boris Johnson thinks the “cavalry to the rescue” are these dodgy vaccines, i`m hoping for a Reform Party UK “shock and awe” campaign starting January 1st.

266118 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to nickbowes, 12, #1145 of 1931 🔗

These fools don’t even realise that a vaccine won’t change anything. It is being used by the government as tool to keep people compliant. Don’t worry, Easter is coming and things will be back to normal once we have all been vaccinated; it won’t go back to normal! These people are already dead and they don’t even realise it!

266125 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #1146 of 1931 🔗

These people are already dead and they don’t even realise it!

Couldn’t agree more, there will be no saving some people, no matter what we try. Those who will not or cannot listen must be abandoned to their fate.

266133 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Richard O, 12, #1147 of 1931 🔗

Totally agree. I’ve lost friends I’ve had for over twenty years over this. They are part of the problem and would happily go to the gas chambers if the Government told them two. I like my friends to have a backbone!

266156 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to FlynnQuill, #1148 of 1931 🔗

Somebody made an interesting point on another forum – what will happen to mask wearing once the vaccine becomes widespread? Will there be some sort of ‘vaccination exemption’ pass lanyard for those who have had the jab, or will they still be expected to wear it? Thoughts anyone?

266178 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1149 of 1931 🔗

I guarantee mask wearing won’t change. Mountains of evidence that they make no difference apart from causing other illnesses. The longest study ever done by the Danes and it has not appeared in the MSM apart from the Daily Mail. 95% of this supine nation do not posses any kind of critical thinking whatsoever and will be blissfully unaware that this study exists. I doubt it would it make any difference if they did. Scared brainwashed cowards.

266338 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #1150 of 1931 🔗

This whole vaccine thing is a psyops.

266101 Alexei, replying to Alexei, 14, #1151 of 1931 🔗

Just had a quick look at a football forum. Speculation about being able to return to the ground, capacity restrictions and so on. You’d think people would be relishing the prospect of being back at the match.

But no. The main thrust of the discussion is using limited attendance as a vehicle/incentive for people to get tested, who were otherwise shunning testing (and causing the continued lockdown).

I know the posters involved have been on that forum for well over 10 years, so this isn’t 77th Brigade stuff. This is what has become of the ordinary British public. The idea that “the tide is turning” is just fanciful to me.

266107 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Alexei, 3, #1152 of 1931 🔗

There are some complete cretins that frequent these boards. Thankfully, they are rightly viewed as mostly dinosaurs by the younger generation who play out their football chat on Twitter.

266120 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1153 of 1931 🔗

Alas, I’m one of those cretins. Though I’ve not read or participated for a while.

I checked the forum looking for any sliver of good news or signs of normal life. Perhaps s ome of the plain-talking “common sense” my hometown likes to associate itself with.

Sadly disappointed.

266438 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Alexei, 2, #1154 of 1931 🔗

Me too. Let’s be honest though, football fans aren’t exactly renowned for thinking for themselves. Will join in songs and chat with others that they wouldn’t dream of saying in a Tete a Tete.

266108 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alexei, 3, #1155 of 1931 🔗

It’s hard to gauge what the public mood is. I certainly don’t see any evidence of any ideological opposition to lockdowns. The overall attitude seems to be that there is still a deadly disease killing lots of people, and so the government restrictions, though tedious, are necessary and will only be temporary anyway until we get the vaccine, so we just have to knuckle down and get on with it. What does seem to be changing is that the fear of the initial lockdown is being replaced more by boredom/tedium.

266111 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Alexei, 12, #1156 of 1931 🔗

The tide turns like a wave, Charles walker sticking up for protesters,, Nadine Doris and even Matt Hancock toning down their language. If this continues it will eventually filter through to the sheeple’s brains. Keep up the fight, write to your MP, discuss with the sheep and keep protesting.

266143 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jonny S., 6, #1157 of 1931 🔗

May I also add, keep writing emails/letters of support to those who are doing the right thing – small businesses etc. I’ve done reasonably well in my working life, and I don’t mind giving away a bit of money to help somebody stick up for freedom and help their business. No point me hanging on to it as Sunak’s policies will make it worth b*gger all eventually anyway.

266251 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1158 of 1931 🔗

This keeps me going. You’re right, when it breaks it will certainly break…
One of Rich Planet’s documentaries, I think it was about Dando but it touched on the MSM, establishment, stuff about Saville – overwhelming positive coverage, for a long time, even Paxman moaned about the restrictions (though there was probably an element of virtue signalling, as he did have some editorial oversight I believe…) Apparently only a few actually saw the breakthrough coming….

266328 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jonny S., #1159 of 1931 🔗

It is turning more so than people think. I believe from discussions around here that they can’t be bothered to talk about it anymore. There is quite a lot of anger in these parts.

266116 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Alexei, 4, #1160 of 1931 🔗

The momentum is gradually changing, and has been going in our favour for a number of months now.

The trouble is, our starting position was absolutely dreadful, about the same as the real IFR of SARS-CoV-2 i.e. around 0.1%.

266161 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Alexei, #1161 of 1931 🔗

Perhaps not entirely ‘fanciful’ in terms of people quietly disobeying diktats – but I agree that there’s a long way to go before a majority turn round and explicitly stick two fingers up

266211 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Alexei, 4, #1162 of 1931 🔗

I sometimes go on a football forum and there is an “off topic” thread. The Covid cult is surprisingly entrenched within that community. We are all going to die apparently (from Covid)

266333 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Leemc23, #1163 of 1931 🔗

May as well get rid of all those nuclear weapons then. Obviously CV19 is far faster and deadly.

266219 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Alexei, 3, #1164 of 1931 🔗

It’s amazing isn’t it how some ‘fans’ love the whole casuals Danny dyer football factory bollocks but wet themselves at the thought of catching mild flu.

266297 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, #1165 of 1931 🔗

Probably because most of the ‘casuals Danny dyer football factory bollocks’ (great phrase) crowd are no longer young and fit like they were in the 90s but old, fat and unhealthy.

266109 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 17, #1166 of 1931 🔗

Not a football fan but I read that the millionaire players are still down on one knee when the games start. How long will that protest with billions of viewers last I wonder.

Meanwhile an old lady gets arrested for protesting FOR democracy by 5 coppers. SICKENING

266121 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Eddy, 8, #1167 of 1931 🔗

Pretty sure that when crowds are allowed in again, the reaction from them will put a stop to it.

266127 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to leggy, 3, #1168 of 1931 🔗

My point was that Charles Walker has said protesting is now illegal. Not for footballers it isn’t.

266129 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to leggy, 2, #1169 of 1931 🔗

God I hope so, but will fans acquiesce for fear of being labelled a racist?

266166 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to leggy, #1170 of 1931 🔗

Yes, the low lifes can get away with it now, but come the crowds, no.

266149 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Eddy, 6, #1171 of 1931 🔗

Political statements are banned in professional football, with heavy fines for offenders. Strange how the football authorities have colluded in the breaking of their own rules.

266200 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Eddy, 2, #1172 of 1931 🔗

Football, a profession where there are a disproportionate (statically) number of black players who feel they must kneel for injustice, without any consideration the culture excludes Gay people to such an extent that virtually no high profile gay player has existed.

266232 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Eddy, 2, #1173 of 1931 🔗

If they’ve got their masks on too, they will look just like those prisoners from Guantanamo

266239 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Eddy, 5, #1174 of 1931 🔗

That’ll be interesting when Lewis Hamilton visits the Palace & has to get in front of the Queen. Who has to kneel first? her, or him?! 🙂

266123 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 23, #1175 of 1931 🔗

In the last 24 hours I’ve received two messages from people who should know better about the vaccine.

The first one said ‘Good news about the vaccine’. The other said ‘Light at the end of the tunnel with vaccines on the horizon’.

The second message was from a guy who is a senior engineer at BAe and designs systems that go in the Eurofighter Typhoon. So someone who will make damn sure that everything is tested to strict standards in his day job. And yet he is quite willing to have a vaccine with minimal testing injected into his arm?

266136 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biggles, 7, #1176 of 1931 🔗

Unfortunately many people’s thinking skills have gone out of the window because of this crisis. That is if they had those skills in the first place.

266138 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Biggles, 12, #1177 of 1931 🔗

I mentioned to a quite well informed anti-Lockdowner the other day that companies making the vaccine have been indemnified against legal claims. She was not aware of this. I imagine the average man/woman in the street has therefore no idea about this, nor about how the vaccines are being rushed through. I suspect they think if the government/BBC says they are ok, well, then they must be, surely.

266155 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1178 of 1931 🔗

I bet they have no idea of what even a minimal testing regime requires in terms of timescale, either.

266180 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Cranmer, 11, #1179 of 1931 🔗

And apparently some GP’s are now asking for indemnity also. You don’t need to be bright to join up the dots.

266163 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Biggles, 5, #1180 of 1931 🔗

They falsely believe that a vaccine gets things back to normal. I can understand their hope, but it’s misplaced. Even the head of the WHO says so.

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1328291650372775937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

266174 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, 7, #1181 of 1931 🔗

The one good thing about vaccine-believers is that when they find out that it isn’t a miracle cure, they won’t be happy. I don’t think most pro-Lockdowners actually want to live like this permanently. When they realise it may well permanent, public attitudes to lockdowns may harden.

266188 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1182 of 1931 🔗

I hope so, Cranmer. But I can see people falling for a claim that the first versions of vaccines are a starting point and the next version will be better – so just hang on for another 6 months, 12 months…..

266228 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1183 of 1931 🔗

This is what I’m clinging onto at the moment. I think most people think if they play along like good little sheep until easter, take a vaccine, then everything will go completely back to normal. When it becomes clear it won’t, hopefully there might be pushback…

266290 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kenadams, 3, #1184 of 1931 🔗

Yes. I think that we can be fairly certain the fearmongering is not working as it once was – otherwise there would not be so many people out and about during Lockdown. If lots of people take ‘vaccine 1’ but lockdowns continue, I think it will be harder to sell successive vaccines to people. Governments will have to say something like ‘the vaccine works but take up is not widespread enough to end lockdowns yet’ – thus transferring blame and public hostility to ‘anti-vaxxers’.

266316 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to kenadams, 3, #1185 of 1931 🔗

Hey presto! As if by magic another problem I.e 3rd wave, virus mutation, mini epidemic whatever will materialise. Ah sorry folks vaccine isn’t any good now back to house arrest.

266551 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jo Dominich -, -1, #1186 of 1931 🔗

Already mutated. Look at the mink issue. Obviously it will happen again.

266235 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Biggles, 5, #1187 of 1931 🔗

This. Imagine if someone expressed reservations about going in a Fighter jet that had been pieced together in essentially world record time, where legitimate questions have been raised about the testing methodology, would they be anti-aircraft?

266246 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Biggles, 5, #1188 of 1931 🔗

I have had a number of people in my field joining this jubilant choir (TV / Media – mind you, this crisis only proves how many morons there are).
What do they think?
*If only I get the vaccine I will be safe > NO
*If only everyone gets vaccinated, we will be safe > NO
*If only we have a vaccine, everything goes back to normal > NO
*If only we have a vaccine, I don’t need to face the reality of our government, the lies, the deceits, the bullshit and I can pretend it was all a bad dream > NO NO NO and again NO
It is a mess of ignorance and deeply reverberating fear that has them by the balls… people are uncomfortable with uncertainty as it is, they need hope porn to cling on to.
As for vaccines, feel free to hand them this study about the “inexplicable contamination of vaccines by nano contaminants that are non compatible with humans and non biodegradable…” and may very well cause serious issues:
https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/new-quality-control-investigations-on-vaccines-micro–and-nanocontamination.html
And yes, do mention that all the ones on the list in this study are working on a Covid-19 vaccine and are exempt from liability already, despite court cases for vaccine damage in the US reaching beyond the $4bn mark by now…

266303 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Biggles, 2, #1189 of 1931 🔗

As a holder of a couple STEM degrees with extensive mil-spec test experience I’d love to see this fellow’s typical work product.

I’d bet it’s not very good!

266124 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 39, #1190 of 1931 🔗

An effective vaccine confers immunity on the vaccinated individual. It confers this immunity regardless of whether anyone else is vaccinated. Apparently everyone knew this until very recently, and now it seems hardly anyone knows it.

Face masks do not prevent the spread of a respiratory viral disease. Apparently everyone knew this until very recently, and now it seems hardly anyone knows it.

Testing people for a virus cannot reduce the number of people infected. Apparently everyone knew this until Monday, and now it seems hardly anyone knows it.

The pace at which knowledge changes is astounding.

I wonder what new knowledge will be made up discovered in the coming days? For truly the pace of the government’s scientific discoveries is unprecedented, as is so much else in these coronavirus days.

266130 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #1191 of 1931 🔗

And seemingly no one knows the difference between living one’s life fully and freely, and being alive

266170 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 8, #1192 of 1931 🔗

Just not being dead, you mean.

266148 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #1193 of 1931 🔗

Extended lockdowns are not recommended in any pandemic strategy. Everyone knew this before March. Now it’s common practise.

266157 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 4, #1194 of 1931 🔗

Lockdowns (regardless of duration) were specifically advised against by the World Health Organisation.

266168 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1195 of 1931 🔗

I think they’ve just discovered that the earth is flat and you will go to prison if you say otherwise.

266179 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1196 of 1931 🔗

Science is rapidly being sidelined

266183 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 4, #1197 of 1931 🔗

The responses to the coronavirus are pseudoscience.
https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/10/coronavirus-pseudoscience.html

266212 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1198 of 1931 🔗

Pseudoscience is great because you can just make people agree with you. It’s less great when you want stuff to work. I think real scientists should all go on strike and let the fakesters have a go and we’ll watch them screw the world up

266227 ▶▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Julian, 5, #1199 of 1931 🔗

I thought that’s what was happening.

266441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to muzzle, 1, #1200 of 1931 🔗

True. It’s not immediate enough. We need these bastards to have keep planes in the air, bridges and buildings in one piece, electricity flowing, food on the table based on pseudoscience.

266234 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 7, #1201 of 1931 🔗

One of the things I find depressing is how readily most people are to accept pseudoscience and how resistant they are to science (broadly defined, ie, rational evidenced inquiry).

266128 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #1202 of 1931 🔗

Twitter thread – ‘we are all victims of a global testing fraud’

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1331596216036155402?s=20

266151 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 6, #1203 of 1931 🔗

Thanks for posting. A visual of the tweet

266152 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Ben, 8, #1204 of 1931 🔗

Indeed! This PCR false positive epidemic is a total scam.

266131 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 5, #1205 of 1931 🔗

Melbourne teenager is choked unconscious and thrown to the floor like a rag doll by hotel security, for not wearing a mask. (not nice)

https://twitter.com/YellowCube7/status/1331572386005540865

266137 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Eddy, 5, #1206 of 1931 🔗

Just posted about this – as adjunct. Absolutely horrible. These police must have been just waiting for an excuse to brutally assault people. The girl was clearly completely unconscious when thrown to the floor.

266145 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Eddy, 2, #1207 of 1931 🔗

Horrible. But how do we know that it had anything to do with mask wearing? We only see the end of the incident. For all we know the person was wearing a mask and it came off during an earlier part of the struggle.

266154 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1208 of 1931 🔗

In some respects I don’t think it matters. She was clearly unconscious so even if she’d had a gun or a knife before, she should not have been chucked on the floor like that. But of course had she been armed, she would have been shot I suppose.

266160 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo, 3, #1209 of 1931 🔗

Of course there is no justification for that treatment. But I don’t think that assuming the response was triggered by a lack of mask-wearing is of any help whatsoever.

266649 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jo, #1210 of 1931 🔗

It was actually a long-haired young man. Not that that makes it any less barbaric. I hope the security guard gets sued to hell.

266159 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1211 of 1931 🔗

Fair point. All I can see is a few monsters wearing masks choking a teenager to death then ramming his head onto the floor. I’ll try and find out what he did wrong.

266173 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Eddy, 2, #1212 of 1931 🔗

According to 7 News.
“Hotel management said the teenager was kicked out of the venue for being too rowdy but climbed a fence to get back in to his mates.
When security noticed they shepherded him out – but the teen broke free, ran straight back to the bar and poured himself a schooner.
That’s when the situation escalated.”
No mention of masks.

266289 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1213 of 1931 🔗

Even so the violence was over the top.

266158 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Eddy, 2, #1214 of 1931 🔗

There is a bit more to it, apparently, if you see the Twitter posts that follow, but still no excuse for the thick goon to act like he did.

266147 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1216 of 1931 🔗

Well done!

266165 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1217 of 1931 🔗

Tradewinds for me.

266229 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ozzie, 17, #1218 of 1931 🔗

As a fellow sceptical travel agent, hats off to them and very brave to take that stance as there will be a lot of backlash but plenty of support. I have sent them my support and will also not sell any airline that adopts the same measures but did not have the balls to make such a public statement.

266280 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1219 of 1931 🔗

People Power! Boycott all businesses that promote Covid regs.

266296 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1220 of 1931 🔗

I’ve cancelled my next year’s holiday in Spain. Happy to book a replacement through you, to any nappy-free destination.

266142 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 20, #1221 of 1931 🔗

Can you credit this lot (from The Telegraph live feed – free, my emphasis)? Why must they always feature that odious woman from Scotland?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-christmas-local-lockdown-tiers-vaccine-mass/

A “four-nations” plan for the relaxation of coronavirus rules has fractured within 24 hours after Nicola Sturgeon warned Scots that they would face tighter restrictions than people in England, writes Daniel Sanderson.

The First Minister said that she believed treating existing “bubbles” as one household, as will happen south of the border, would be “going too far” as in practice it could allow members of up to six households to meet during a five-day easing of exemptions next month.

She also suggested that Scots should give each other gift vouchers as presents, for both public health and economic reasons, while Scotland’s National Clinical Director warned that there should be no shared serving spoons for Christmas dinner roast potatoes.

Scotland-specific guidance will be issued on Thursday, Ms Sturgeon said, but she warned that it would “look to tighten around the edges rather than further expand.”

The SNP leader also said that people going to the Scottish islands for Christmas would not get extra days to travel, as is being granted to those going to Northern Ireland.

WTF! Are they coming out with this banal bollocks shite puke on purpose, jus to wind people up, or do they really think everyone is as stupid as they are?

As for the “Christmas rules”, whether north or south of the border who, in their right minds, is going to take the slightest notice of it (sheeple excepted)?

For info – Scotland’s national Clinical Director:
https://www.gov.scot/about/how-government-is-run/directorates/healthcare-quality-and-improvement/jason-leitch/

266164 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 18, #1222 of 1931 🔗

So the polis will be looking in at the window as you help yourself to socially distanced roast potatoes.
This is way beyond a madhouse.

266264 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 9, #1223 of 1931 🔗

It’s a diabolical funhouse, a new circle of Dante’s hell; it is Beyond Belief and Beyond Bearing. It’s a farce in which 90% of the characters don’t know they’re in a play. It’s Bosch in the 21st century.
At some point it will become unbelievable in retrospect. This roast potatoes spoons thing will become a precious exquisite historical curio. Historians will fight over whether it really happened or if it’s urban myth. Nobody could have said such a thing! they will insist.

266271 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alethea, 2, #1224 of 1931 🔗

Assuming we do get out of this to some semblance of normality, and don’t end up as part of some sort of Klaus Schwab slave world, I suspect it will all be brushed under the carpet, a bit like the hysteria after Princess Diana’s death.

266285 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1225 of 1931 🔗

Imagining the normal future, how do you picture your own relation to the part of the carpet distended by the huge pile of refuse beneath?

266269 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 1, #1226 of 1931 🔗

I’ll keep my blinds closed.

266336 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, 2, #1227 of 1931 🔗

True; but the police have no right of entry for this purpose, so mouth “fuck off” at them through the window and then close the curtains.

Anyone who is at work for such a soul-diminishing purpose on Christmas Day can go to hell. There are plenty of people who need to work to look after society. The police aren’t in that category.

266167 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1228 of 1931 🔗

She also suggested that Scots should give each other gift vouchers as presents, for both public health and economic reasons

Fucking vile.

266204 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to stefarm, 5, #1229 of 1931 🔗

Gift vouchers, how “novel”!

They’ll be useful if the retailer they are for goes bust!

266243 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to dhid, 2, #1230 of 1931 🔗

Great point – and one that our esteemed journalists will no doubt put to her – not.

266292 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to dhid, 3, #1231 of 1931 🔗

Amazon won’t. Sturgeon and Dungford are Amazon’s greatest friends in the world.

266223 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, 8, #1232 of 1931 🔗

I know Boris Johnson is awful and I would like to escape his rule. But seriously can’t Scotland find a better first Dictator than Nicola Sturgeon. But she still seems to be loved for some reason.

266255 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Darryl, 10, #1233 of 1931 🔗

she’s only loved by about 35% of Scots the rest of us are embarrassed that someone with such a piss poor intellect is the Government. It proves two things, firstly the average voter is too retarded to understand what they are voting for and secondly Government itself can only attracted people with limited abilities. Anyone with half a brain is away making real money.

266272 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Biker, 3, #1234 of 1931 🔗

Here in the US it appears the low-to-no info Biden voters may have had a massive impact on the vote:

https://twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1331336576354422789?s=19

There were good reasons our Founders limited the voting franchise to people with skin in the game.

266299 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1235 of 1931 🔗

Scotland are trying to get 16 year olds to vote. That’s right 16 year olds.

266310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1236 of 1931 🔗

During the vote for Scottish Independence i asked every SNP supporter to tell me a single policy of theirs apart from independence, and i asked at least fifty people, not one of them could tell me a single one. These people didn’t have a fucking scooby doo what they were voting for.

266443 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, #1237 of 1931 🔗

true – they are a single issue party. and know sweet FA about anything else

266311 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Biker, #1238 of 1931 🔗

It’s a presidential system with, effectively, one candidate. Can George Galloway do anything? I don’t care about left and right any more (GG seems actually socially conservative)

266181 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1239 of 1931 🔗

Gift vouchers for a CV vaccine perhaps? – as suggested by Taoiseach Micheal Martin in Ireland the other day.

266192 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1240 of 1931 🔗

Most who support the Es En Pee probably are as stupid, tbh. Damn, being political again…

266207 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1241 of 1931 🔗

Es En Pee

You’re not on Guido, Nick; we can say SNP here, mate. 😉

266230 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1242 of 1931 🔗

Next, she’ll be choosing your spouse and which of your children you’re allowed to keep.

266282 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tiberius, 2, #1243 of 1931 🔗

Any children not born as guaranteed epsi-minus semi-morons or below will be strangled at birth.

266318 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1244 of 1931 🔗

Sturgeon’s spoon police – love it!!
Human satirists literally couldn’t make up nuggets of comedy gold this farcical, but yet again the lizard people have outshone us all in their raving idiocy.

I bet though that I can think of a few more authentically Glaswegian and creative (socially useful) ways to deploy the stabby end of my cutlery, especially if Sturgeon’s roving covid death squads show up to police my Christmas spoons!

266329 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to GorbalsGirl, 3, #1245 of 1931 🔗

When you listen to this anal, cold, reptilian rubbish, it really does make you wonder if Mr Icke was right all along.

266593 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to RichardJames, #1246 of 1931 🔗

I recall keeping a diary in the 80s and constantly referring to reptiles re: the politicians on TV. That was long before I’d heard of Icke. (I think it was before he even started!)

266324 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1247 of 1931 🔗

What the ffff does she mean ” tighten around the edges”? She’s “allowing” us to see family but telling us not to.

“Rather than leave everyone to navigate that themselves and decide their own boundaries, we decided to try and set some outer limits and boundaries to ask people to work within.
“That decision does not mean we are positively encouraging people to get together – I want to stress that just because we are allowing people to create a bubble doesn’t mean you have to do it.”

She can go and spend her sad miserable Christmas on zoom with all the other sad miserable people who are getting pleasure at all this misery but I’ll be enjoying Christmas with my family with plenty of hugs and kisses for my grandchildren with the exchange of proper gifts.

266399 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1248 of 1931 🔗

She just had to do it, didn’t she? Always has to get one over.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but it’s got to the point where I wish that Scotland would just declare independence and b*gger off.

266415 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1249 of 1931 🔗

Not offended. Barring family and friends i’d be long gone!

266405 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1250 of 1931 🔗

So can we share spoons for the sprouts? Is it just potato spoons that are a risk?

266153 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 40, #1251 of 1931 🔗

“When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind.”

― C. S. Lewis

266261 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Eddy, 6, #1252 of 1931 🔗

I like to think of myself as striding purposefully in the opposite direction. Running is for rabbits.

266175 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 7, #1253 of 1931 🔗

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/25/a-90-year-old-woman-killed-herself-to-avoid-another-covid-19-lockdown-shes-not-alone/

The Federalist: A 90-Year-Old Woman Killed Herself To Avoid Another COVID-19 Lockdown. She’s Not Alone (US and Canada)

266507 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lms23, #1254 of 1931 🔗

She used Canada’s assisted suicide law to have herself lethally injected – she was despondent at the way her health (probably mental and physical) had deteriorated during the first lockdown. She didn’t think she could cope with another one. Apparently other care home residents are also requesting assisted suicide. A 95-year-old Florida woman starved herself to death after being confined to a nursing home for months.

Probably will cheer governments to no end. They’ll all want to enact assisted suicide laws so that more people in despair will end it all.

266185 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 9, #1255 of 1931 🔗

Just checked that stats for my local authority. Number of deaths since 1st June. 4!!! I wonder how many business will go under in our local authority.

266194 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to muzzle, 13, #1256 of 1931 🔗

This last lockdown is essentially to close the last remaining small businesses.

266248 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to muzzle, #1257 of 1931 🔗

13 for ours!

266186 Julian, replying to Julian, 22, #1258 of 1931 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/55065195

“Andy Murray says tennis players should ‘probably’ be required to take Covid vaccine
Andy Murray thinks tennis players should “probably” be required to take a Covid-19 vaccine to be able to continue to play on the tour.
World number one Novak Djokovic said in April he “wouldn’t want to be forced to take a vaccine to be able to travel”.

But Murray hopes players would “do that for the good of the sport, providing everything has proved to be safe”.
“I’m confident that players would be into it if it meant the tour going back to normality,” said the Briton, 33.
“I guess we’re not going to know the long-term effects potentially for a while. But what I’ve been hearing on the TV and on the news is that there shouldn’t really be any long-term effects.”

Djokovic, who tested positive for Covid-19 in June, accepted he would have a difficult decision to make should taking the vaccine ever become a condition of entry to tournaments.
“I also read – a few weeks after he’d said he wouldn’t be keen on doing that – that if it was something that had to be done for him to play the sport, he would,” Murray said.
“I guess we’ll have to wait and see what the ATP and the ITF decide.””

I used to think Murray was a fairly decent, intelligent bloke. He’s a healthy sportsman so he is going to inject himself with something he doesn’t need because they said it was safe on TV. Hope Djokovic, who is much more of a sceptic and generally less bothered about appearing to be “nice”, pushes back.

266193 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Julian, 15, #1259 of 1931 🔗

The TV said it’s ok. This is the type of shit that we are up against.

266202 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to merlin, 6, #1260 of 1931 🔗

From someone who needs to be in top health for his job, who doubtless has a fancy private doctor and medical team.

266258 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to merlin, 1, #1261 of 1931 🔗

Sounds about right for your averagely informed celeb.

266275 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to merlin, 3, #1262 of 1931 🔗

I have been saying this repeatedly for months: the TV is the Thinking Box, and think it does, for most people. He can’t even see any issue in saying that we don’t know the long term effects, but the Thinking Box says it’s fine, so it must be. We are dealing with generations of programming: TV say ‘jump’; I already have.

266369 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to merlin, #1263 of 1931 🔗

It’s the epitome of ignorance. Bet he can’t even remember on what programme. Just “off of the TV like”

266206 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Julian, 6, #1264 of 1931 🔗

YUP. Beckham will be next followed by Lewis Hamilton.

266262 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Eddy, 6, #1265 of 1931 🔗

Tyson Fury in an NHS ad perhaps? ‘I get the jab to protect my jab’.

266410 ▶▶▶▶ John K, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1266 of 1931 🔗

No loss if Murray’s jab incapacitates him, boring woke curly haired curmudgeon.

266315 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Eddy, 2, #1267 of 1931 🔗

Yes, but neither of those two would be a particular loss to the world. Alright, maybe Hamilton. A bit.

266359 ▶▶▶▶ Peter, replying to RichardJames, 3, #1268 of 1931 🔗

Hamilton deserves no sympathy or air time whatsoever. Cares about no one other than himself, vacuous self-interested, talentless moron.

266221 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Julian, 13, #1269 of 1931 🔗

Sadly most elite sportspeople only seem to care about good PR and virtue signalling, Djokovic is a very rare example of someone who still thinks for themselves.

It’s pretty unforgivable if he forces it on all the struggling lower rank players regardless of if they want it, by using his status and power with the tennis authorities.

266249 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 8, #1270 of 1931 🔗

Djokovic isn’t that likeable but I prefer that to the hypocrisy of most of the rest of them. He got slaughtered for being involved in organising that series of tournaments in the summer where people tested positive. They broke no laws but sadly he apologised. Dimitrov has been the poster boy for long covid since.

266245 ▶▶ Peter, replying to Julian, 10, #1271 of 1931 🔗

Murray is so woke I am surprised he ever gets any sleep. Never come across as particularly bright, but told by his PR people that if he comes across as a massive lefty it will help his TV and media exposure long after his underwhelming tennis career is over.

266257 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Peter, 7, #1272 of 1931 🔗

I wouldn’t say his career has been underwhelming.

I would say he’s a massive twat, and thick to boot.

266274 ▶▶▶▶ Peter, replying to JohnB, 2, #1273 of 1931 🔗

He is indeed a massive twat.

Not that it matters but he was American, German, Aussie etc, his career record would barely be noticed by people. 3 Slams (for context Nadal has won 13 French opens alone) and a brief spell as world number 1 doesn’t really stack up. Compare to golfers who have achieved far more (Faldo, Lyle, McIllroy, Harrington) his career is pretty mediocre, but they don’t spout pro-“equality” bollocks fed to them by their PR team every time they appear on TV.

The sooner he Lewis Hamilton retire and sneak off to their tax havens the better for British sport

266278 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Peter, #1274 of 1931 🔗

If he barely got out of the regionals, I’d have to agree, but he was world-class. Still a twat though.

266440 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Peter, #1275 of 1931 🔗

the only driver we know that Hamilton is better than is Bottas…. otherwise it is down to the car .

266273 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Peter, 1, #1276 of 1931 🔗

There is nothing underwhelming about his career. How in gods name can you come to that conclusion?

266288 ▶▶▶▶ Peter, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1277 of 1931 🔗

Consistently the 4th best of his generation. Couldn’t ever step up in Aussie open finals, was impressive in his US Open win but both Wimbledon’s were essentially default wins as better players were injured and dropped earlier. As mentioned in a previous comment, he would have barely registered as a tennis player in many countries, just that we have such a poor record of producing tennis players here he gets elevated on a pedastal

266409 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Peter, 1, #1278 of 1931 🔗

He was consistently 4th behind 3 ATG’s.

46 single titles

3 slams

2 olympic medals

1 davis cup

Only in the UK would we look down on that record.

266505 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Peter, replying to JHuntz, #1279 of 1931 🔗

3/11 in slam finals is a poor record, proof he didn’t have what it took physically, technically or mentally to compete with the very best. Far from saying only in Britain would we look down on this, I would say only on Britain would we venerate someone whose record when the biggest prizes are on the line is so poor…Olympics aren’t a great indicator of the best tennis players, watered down fields and a lot of low hanging fruit until they get to the Semis.

No doubt he has achieved a lot, especially in a country where tennis is so poorly funded and regarded, but for me he falls in to the class of merely excellent as opposed to a true great.

Perhaps we differ on the what should define the best of the best in sport, but hopefully we can agree he is a monumental virtue signalling Scottish nationalist twat

266580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Peter, #1280 of 1931 🔗

I can absolutely agree that he is politically clueless!!!

266337 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to JHuntz, #1281 of 1931 🔗

One of the weakest second serves on tour and a girly forehand, his achievements are actually incredible. He made up for this with a great return of serve and red lining his 6ft3inch frame by being prepared to run like a dog for four hours. Still a twat though.

266372 ▶▶ Tony Rattray, replying to Julian, 1, #1282 of 1931 🔗

Murray is a big cry baby (that’s how the british learnt to love him at wimbledon) and sent a tweet supporting scottish independence just a few hours before the ballot in 2014. Hence he comes across as thick in interviews. Keep waving those british, rainbow and nhs flags for him!

Independence referendum: Andy Murray stuns fans by announcing support for Yes vote just hours ahead of ballot – Daily Record

266392 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, 2, #1283 of 1931 🔗

What a knob. I used to like him too.

Djoko has no reason to have the jab if he’s already had the disease. I hope he stands up for his beliefs.

266189 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1284 of 1931 🔗

Today’s xmas product that everyone MUST buy is this “Santa Stop Here! (NEW for 2020)” sign.

No home’s Christmas decorations are complete without one of these…
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266195 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to captainbeefheart, 15, #1285 of 1931 🔗

I don’t swear but FUCK OFF

266205 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Eddy, 6, #1286 of 1931 🔗

Ok, off I fuck…

266224 ▶▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1287 of 1931 🔗

Oh please don’t! I want to anti-social distance with you.

266209 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #1288 of 1931 🔗

The Christmas themed face masks make me heave as well.

266220 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Janice21, 14, #1289 of 1931 🔗

Bloody hell! I said to AlanG in Morrison’s on Monday, ‘What’s the betting there will be Christmas face-nappies?’ I really, really don’t want to see one. It will be such a test of my self-control not to strangle the wearer. MW

266317 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1290 of 1931 🔗

ditto

266348 ▶▶▶▶ DThom, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1291 of 1931 🔗

They are already here!
The DM were offering them with last Saturday’s paper

266451 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #1292 of 1931 🔗

The Asda ad on TV has had them for a while on the delivery drivers faces

266215 ▶▶ mjr, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1293 of 1931 🔗

those reindeer are not wearing masks . Shame on you !!

266279 ▶▶ mjr, replying to captainbeefheart, #1294 of 1931 🔗

Captain ….. you are going to give someone a heart attack.. Loving your work

266998 ▶▶ Ben, replying to captainbeefheart, #1295 of 1931 🔗

I’d rather live with risk – and have a taste of life – than to die slowly from being perpetually safe

Stay safe = stop living and display compliance

266196 assoc, replying to assoc, 6, #1296 of 1931 🔗

Back cover of today’s i paper.
Seek and ye shall find.

266203 ▶▶ assoc, replying to assoc, 10, #1297 of 1931 🔗

Better still, book ten tests

266250 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to assoc, 7, #1298 of 1931 🔗

Free vote for Joe Biden with every ten tests booked!

266389 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1299 of 1931 🔗

Wasn’t there some suggestion that you would get a free lottery ticket if you went for mass testing?

266259 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to assoc, 5, #1300 of 1931 🔗

Get the testing kits, wave them about a bit, dip them in soup or tea, then send them back and see how many are positive. What fun!

266355 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to assoc, 4, #1301 of 1931 🔗

yes, do everything you can to clog up the system. Not just for this bollocks but for every single thing the government does.

266208 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to assoc, 7, #1302 of 1931 🔗

Oh I must book a test ASAP, I have an impending pimple appearing on my forehead.

266302 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Janice21, 1, #1303 of 1931 🔗

I just stubbed my big toe, it’s a sure sign…

266305 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Janice21, 1, #1304 of 1931 🔗

‘Do you have lungs, and the ability to use them? If so, you are at risk from Covids. Get yourself tested today!’

266226 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to assoc, 4, #1305 of 1931 🔗

Wow they’re getting desperate now!

266267 ▶▶ mjr, replying to assoc, 1, #1306 of 1931 🔗

see my comment earlier today – about councils issuing emails to get people to test for minor symptoms in healthy people .
clearly even the numbers of “positives” resulting from the PCR test must be falling so much that they need to get more tests done for more false positives to keep us all scared

266291 ▶▶ leggy, replying to assoc, 5, #1307 of 1931 🔗

I can’t help but see the funny side now. Deadly viral pandemic – “you might not even feel too bad”.

266319 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to assoc, 3, #1308 of 1931 🔗

Why would you get a test ? Putting aside how we all feel. What is the benefit ?

266390 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to assoc, #1309 of 1931 🔗

I’ve had a cold more or less since September but I’m still not going.

266448 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to assoc, 4, #1310 of 1931 🔗

As Peter Hitchens says, ‘This is the only epidemic you have to go out and look for’.

266993 ▶▶ Ben, replying to assoc, #1311 of 1931 🔗

Feel fine? Book a fraudulently used PCR test and risk being forced to self-isolate for two weeks for no valid scientific reason and be fined if you get caught breaking the rules (unless you’re Neil Ferguson or an MP, in which case you can break the rules with impunity)

266213 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1312 of 1931 🔗

This morning Doctor Hilary Jones of Good Morning Britain re-defined not practising social distancing as being less than two metres from someone for more than fifteen minutes. I wonder if it had anything to do with him being seen on Good Morning Britain far closer to someone than two metres?

266237 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #1313 of 1931 🔗

Dr Hilary Jones is a complete joke of a G.P

266247 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Janice21, 1, #1314 of 1931 🔗

I fear that many of Good Morning Britain’s millions of viewers take what he says at face value.

266366 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1315 of 1931 🔗

Good Morning Morons.

266284 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Janice21, 2, #1316 of 1931 🔗

If ever there as someone deserving of the name Quack.

266327 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Janice21, 3, #1317 of 1931 🔗

GP = giant prick

266387 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1318 of 1931 🔗

That’ll irritate all the pavement swervers…

266242 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #1319 of 1931 🔗
266301 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, #1320 of 1931 🔗

Thanks. Really great.

266253 tinxx, replying to tinxx, 13, #1322 of 1931 🔗

I looked at some of my local infection/death stats for London – I live on the Lambeth and Southwark borders – and wanted to put it into context. the figures? 4 deaths within 28 days over the last month out of a population of around 700,000 (around 1% of UK population) in one of the highest density regions of the UK with a high BAME community and above average poverty levels. So for context, whenever we talk about volume it is in terms of “…enough to fill xx Olympic swimming pools” – country size? – xx times the size of Wales” and for numbers of people? “enough to fill Wembley stadium xx times over”. So in these terms, if you filled Wembley twice over with people from Lambeth and Southwark and kept them there for a month, about 1200 people would have tested positive (out of 180,000). Meanwhile, around 600 people would have died over the period of all causes and, of those about 600, only one would have died with a positive Covid test over the period (almost certainly with co-morbidities and at an advanced age). In the meantime the remaining 179,400 people have been locked up in house arrest to prevent that death happening. Hmmm.

266256 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to tinxx, 4, #1323 of 1931 🔗

Regardless of what the overlords say, London is a perfectly safe place to live and the stats show there is nothing to worry about.

266266 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1324 of 1931 🔗

Well, safe from Covid.

266268 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to jb12, 1, #1325 of 1931 🔗

That’s what I meant 🙂

266404 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1326 of 1931 🔗

North London also safe. But London going to be in Tier 2. FFS.

266464 ▶▶▶ tinxx, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1327 of 1931 🔗

Exactly the point

266349 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to tinxx, 3, #1328 of 1931 🔗

It’s absolutely despicable. For a long time I thought it was ‘madness’ and that we needed to advocate with logic and data. I’m afraid I don’t believe such advocacy will work. This is a time for realpolitik. And against the ‘power’.
Now, imo those sceptics who advocated that the ‘reset’ and the various convergent opportunists etc were driving this evil ….were/are right.
the tactics and strategy to counter are not at all clear to me. I’d love us to debate and formulate a strategy and tactics. Violent counter? Pressure point lobbying? Passive resistance en masse (via initial inflexion points then spread the cause)…whatever. I’m sure we have some super smart people here who can help stimulate this discussion with their eloquence, insight and intellect.

266446 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #1329 of 1931 🔗

I’m wondering about trying to fund a huge balloon over Westminster or a series of publicity stunts ….

266452 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Marialta, #1330 of 1931 🔗

Maybe crowdfunding and stunts could be a part of the mix.

266260 Liam, replying to Liam, 13, #1331 of 1931 🔗

Watching the South Africa v England cricket and watching people in the crowd laughing, drinking, dancing and singing together with no filthy masks. It’s joyous and heartbreaking at the same time. I had no idea sanity had returned to SA.

266263 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Liam, #1332 of 1931 🔗

Really?? I thought masks were mandatory even outside there!

266270 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Adamb, 11, #1333 of 1931 🔗

I’m sorry, I’ve made a stupid mistake, it’s on telly as live but it’s from last year. I’m embarrassed.

266281 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Liam, 1, #1334 of 1931 🔗

You tease!

266287 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to leggy, 1, #1335 of 1931 🔗

Genuine error, sad to say ☹️

266293 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Liam, 3, #1336 of 1931 🔗

you mean the old normal……..

266295 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to mjr, 4, #1337 of 1931 🔗

Don’t, I can’t bear it ☹️

266352 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Liam, #1338 of 1931 🔗

Was about to book flights!

266370 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Adamb, 2, #1339 of 1931 🔗

Sorry, stupid mistake on my part, desperate for some normality!

266377 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Liam, 1, #1340 of 1931 🔗

Ha no worries. I had actually found some cheap flights to Cape Town for February half term, was very tempted to book but then discovered the mask rules and immediately ditched the idea.

266466 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Liam, 1, #1341 of 1931 🔗

Do you fancy a bet who will win, Liam ? 🙂

266991 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Liam, #1342 of 1931 🔗

The ‘mistake’ is governments psychologically torturing us for a corrupt agenda

266298 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 23, #1343 of 1931 🔗

I’m no fan of LibLabCon. But Charles Walker is coming over as sincere, passionate and decent. FFS he’s a politician who seems to be genuinely upset by all this crap.
https://youtu.be/ZS69RCiGqSI

266326 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 15, #1344 of 1931 🔗

Charles Walker is one of the few human beings left in parliament.

266395 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to mattghg, 1, #1345 of 1931 🔗

Looks like it. What an indictment on the swamp.

266358 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 15, #1346 of 1931 🔗

Great comments from the man. Great comment he makes that the only place one can protest in this country is in the HOC. (Unless it’s a BLM or XR protest, of course; at which the Police just stand and watch. ;( )

He’s a great advocate for mental health issues and he is very aware of the damage the Government is doing in the country.

This is no show. There’s no ‘ seems to be’ genuinely upset about it, he is upset about it. I do wish more, on both sides of the house would speak out.

266393 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1347 of 1931 🔗

Yes, whilst I said ‘seems to be’ I believed he’s genuine. I hope I can tell…but we all only have our perceptions! The man is really upset and angry and motivated. We will remember these decent people who stood out when it wasn’t mainstream orthodoxy. Bravery.

266406 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #1348 of 1931 🔗

Oh, wasn’t doubting your words for a minute. Apologies if it came across that way; totally not intended. 🙂

266423 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1349 of 1931 🔗

dear ceriain I took it the right way and was only clarifying my post 👍🏼

266428 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #1350 of 1931 🔗

Thank you 🙂 🙂

266382 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #1351 of 1931 🔗

Agree 100%. He’s for real, along with Swayne. Not like Baker and all that lot.

266397 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1352 of 1931 🔗

My feeling too. Swayne is for real. Baker is a ‘player’ and I wouldn’t trust him.

266476 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #1353 of 1931 🔗

Yes, it’s absolutely not about party loyalty, whatever our partisan political loyalties might be (and I am unashamed to declare my own firm adherence to the conservative political right here, albeit the non-authoritarian wing).

When it comes to MPs, it’s about individuals, the good, the bad and the ugly, and issues. There are examples of each in very major party. On this issue, Walker is absolutely on the side of decency, truth and justice.

266304 annie, replying to annie, 11, #1354 of 1931 🔗

Unredacted is exhorting me to buy see-through face nappies.
Nice try, but a muzzle is a muzzle is a muzzle.

266309 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to annie, 5, #1355 of 1931 🔗

Saw that – going to unsubscribe

266380 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, 7, #1356 of 1931 🔗

“We thought facemasks would be a passing trend…” (trend? Not quite what I would call a trend, something that is legally mandated and punishable by an enormous fine, but never mind) “…but it’s clear that they’re here to stay!”

They can sod off once and for all. I don’t even remember subscribing…

266988 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to A. Contrarian, #1357 of 1931 🔗

The dehumanising, suffocating, psychological torture inducing element of face masks is too enjoyable for the government to end them. They hate us

266312 Biker, replying to Biker, -1, #1358 of 1931 🔗

Maradona has died, good,

266314 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Biker, 8, #1359 of 1931 🔗

Sorry i thought they said Madonna

266322 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, -1, #1360 of 1931 🔗

I was just about to say he was a drug taking cheat

266331 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to stefarm, #1361 of 1931 🔗

But the second goal against us redeemed the first. Sorry.

266332 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dave Tee, 2, #1362 of 1931 🔗

Agree, someone should of risked bringing him down in the box and chanced saving a penalty.

266346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to stefarm, #1363 of 1931 🔗

Bobby Moore has the talent to do it without conceding the penalty – but Peter Reid and Terry Butcher?

266342 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dave Tee, 3, #1364 of 1931 🔗

Agree – it was sheer class. As a man, he was a function of his background, much like Gazza – without the football skills and undoubted talent they would have likely been in jail.

266344 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Dave Tee, #1365 of 1931 🔗

Nah – despite the fact they couldn’t catch him, the England players gave up when they realised they were being screwed.

He had no honour, so zero respect from me – a cheat not a sportsman.

266381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to dhid, 3, #1366 of 1931 🔗

Maradona was able to socially-distance himself from the England defence. He was ahead of his time.

266384 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dave Tee, 2, #1367 of 1931 🔗

Liked that!

266396 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Dave Tee, #1368 of 1931 🔗

Good one!

266483 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to dhid, #1369 of 1931 🔗

Haha, still so salty.

266473 ▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to stefarm, 1, #1370 of 1931 🔗

Best footballer that has ever kicked a ball.

266765 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Nottingham69, 1, #1371 of 1931 🔗

Not as a good as Kenny Dalgliesh

266361 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, 1, #1372 of 1931 🔗

I was just about to say she was a drug taking cheat

266323 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Biker, -1, #1373 of 1931 🔗

Yeah – all the younger media types seem to think he was some kind sport icon.
Cheating, lying druggie.
Such an icon.
Not!

266340 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to dhid, 6, #1374 of 1931 🔗

Spot on, he was a cheater and if there is one thing i can’t bare it’s people who cheat. If you can’t win fair and square then what is the point? All these South American and a load of EU countries are cheating bastards. Just watch the world cup to see. One of the reason GB is hated round the world is we play fair and square and would rather lose than cheat while the likes of Maradona are weak pathetic people who lie cheat and steal while all the while trying to pretend they are just as good as us. Thats why Scotland always losing doesn’t bother me because when we do win it’s as sweet as money.

266357 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Biker, #1375 of 1931 🔗

True!

266371 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Biker, #1376 of 1931 🔗

1970 Brazilian team the exception though. Actually, the 1982 Italian team (if you ignore the prior sports betting scandal) was ok too. Germany not a good team on fair play – Laurie McMenemy’s comment on Jurgen Klinsmann as ‘the Greg Louganis of football’.

266391 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1377 of 1931 🔗

Don’t remember seeing 1970, was only a wee lad and if it was on the telly, ours was a rather old thing that made identifying anything that was going on rather hit and miss to say the least – used to have to bang the top sometimes to “adjust” the Vertical Hold.

When I roll my eyes now it’s actually an artifact of that time…..

266401 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to dhid, 1, #1378 of 1931 🔗

I used to watch Grandstand and World of Sport with my dad, at home, while the ‘ladies’ did shopping and lunch (mother and my grandmother). He used to cook the two of us a mixed grill, before we sat down to discuss the sport – football, athletics and anything else (I was 5). Gosh, can’t imagine that sort of thing happening today – the ladies aren’t allowed to do lunch and shop!

266412 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1379 of 1931 🔗

Yes that seems a bygone era now.

My dad used to like doing a grill or fry-up in those days at the weekend.

“Mixed grill” – making me feel hungry now – off to the fridge….

266768 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to dhid, #1380 of 1931 🔗

i like how we started talking about Maradona dying and end up talking about eating a mix grill on a saturday morning

266617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1381 of 1931 🔗

I remember Saturday tea of ham, pease pudding and stotty cake while listening g to the football results. Happy days!

266313 watashi, replying to watashi, 6, #1382 of 1931 🔗

Is everyone aware of the world doctors (now freedom) alliance?
https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/world-freedom-alliance-stockholm-part-2/
apologies if it’s already been posted. Many professionals coming together, very positive.

266321 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to watashi, 1, #1383 of 1931 🔗

Yes they’ve been voicing their opinion for months.

266339 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to watashi, 4, #1384 of 1931 🔗

There is also a UK one. Brave individuals, hopefully people will back them. https://www.ukmedfreedom.org/

266486 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to watashi, #1385 of 1931 🔗

I’m reading their letter to Hancock about vaccination. Looks pretty thorough and includes a reasoned discussion about proportionality of a risk vaccine for a relatively low-risk illness. My words, not theirs.

266320 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 9, #1386 of 1931 🔗

“Health Secretary Matt Hancock said ….that social distancing measures will not end until either everyone over 50 has been ‘offered’ a COVID-19 vaccination…”

Is that “offered” in the Don Corleone sense?

266367 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to George Mc, 3, #1387 of 1931 🔗

He’ll drag it out any way he can. He might even make it a rule that anti social distancing will not end until he, personally , offers everyone over 50 the jab of death individually, in person .

266427 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1388 of 1931 🔗

Why did you cross out ‘anti’ in anti-social? Anti-social is what it really is.

266456 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Stephanos, #1389 of 1931 🔗

I think it’s because Hancock is giving us the usual bullshit and that is what he is “really” saying, not what he is pretending to say – or something like that….

266642 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stephanos, #1390 of 1931 🔗

Good spot; I’ve got no idea, because you’re right, it is. Got my thinking backwards, I think.

266373 ▶▶ annie, replying to George Mc, 1, #1391 of 1931 🔗

either .. or what?

266378 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to George Mc, 6, #1392 of 1931 🔗

This is a massive retraction. Previously I’m sure the intention was that all the regulations were going to remain in place until the whole population had been vaccinated.

266482 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Richard O, #1393 of 1931 🔗

Well, it’s obvious that a significant proportion of the population will either refuse outright or are very hesitant about having the jab. It’s rather like the Christmas climbdown. The government had no choice but to back down, although the Tier system that we’re going to be punished with is no Christmas gift either.

266798 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Richard O, #1394 of 1931 🔗

They are very devious, they will just keep playing with different methodologies to see what hits the spot and has most persuasive effect to get the end result . What they say is just a script handed down from HQ,

266394 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to George Mc, 3, #1395 of 1931 🔗

Is he going to be arrested soon?

266786 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to George Mc, #1396 of 1931 🔗

It will certainly be an offer he thinks we won’t be able to refuse .

266330 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #1397 of 1931 🔗

Pay rise for NHS staff.
They’re not bloody doing anything. Those of them that admit this and are horrified by it will be embarrassed by the pay rise. The rest of them can sod off.

266480 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1398 of 1931 🔗

They’re busy posting letters. Got my third invitation for a seasonal flu jab in the post today. Binned it like the first two.

266335 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 6, #1399 of 1931 🔗

Please share before it disappears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuDQ_3g53qc&t=41s

From the most recent Corbett Report and it includes the video from
Prof Navarro / WHO > Lockdown Kills

Send it to your MP, Twitter etc…

Will it help? I don’t know. But worth a try…

266376 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Pebbles, 2, #1400 of 1931 🔗

A well-reasoned anti-lockdown monologue that argues for disobeying the lockdown regulations and laws. Worth sharing.

266341 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #1401 of 1931 🔗

Save Our Rights
WORK WITH US

As a grassroots movement, we rely on volunteers to lend their time, skills and expertise, to help us in getting our message to the masses.

All roles will require you to dedicate anywhere from 4 to 10 hours per week of your time (more if you have it) to help us grow this movement and spread the word to the masses.

We’re always looking for volunteers to join our team in all areas, but are currently actively recruiting for the following roles:

  • GRAPHIC DESIGNERS
  • CONTENT MARKETERS
  • STORYTELLERS (COPYWRITERS)
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https://saveourrights.uk/work-with-us/

266364 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Victoria, 3, #1402 of 1931 🔗

I could help with that, will contact them.

266368 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Victoria, 3, #1403 of 1931 🔗

There are plenty of contributors on here who are more than capable of content writing.

266345 Liam, replying to Liam, 13, #1404 of 1931 🔗

Argentina has had one of the longest and most brutal lockdowns on the planet. Be interesting to see how they enforce it for Maradona’s funeral.

266356 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Liam, 15, #1405 of 1931 🔗

Superb rugby player. But his most famous try was a knock-on.

266362 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #1406 of 1931 🔗

Heh. Seriously though in normal times it’d be the biggest funeral since Khomeini. Be interesting to see if the Argentinians are now a cowed and submissive people.

266365 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1407 of 1931 🔗

LOL!

266422 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1408 of 1931 🔗

Genuine LOLz from me.

266601 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1409 of 1931 🔗

Mentor to Thierry Henry

266347 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1410 of 1931 🔗

Melbourne security guard puts a teen in a headlock, drops him tot he floor and drags him unconscious to the door, all for not wearing a mask. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/police-state-horror-melbourne-australia-security-official-chokes-teen-headlock-slams-unconscious-floor-drags-body-door-not-wearing-mask/

266360 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #1411 of 1931 🔗

Yep. The mystery of how the Nazis managed to recruit all those SA brownshirts is no longer a mystery.

266432 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1412 of 1931 🔗

Without validating the thuggery, I believe that there is some doubt about whether this was to do with mask-wearing. The basic problem with YouTube stuff.

266374 Mark, replying to Mark, 31, #1413 of 1931 🔗

Advice for Alexei and anyone concerned, like him, about isolation from fellow sceptics (ie the sane).

Use this site to find people in the same area and meet up in real life. All the usual precautions about meeting up with someone irl whom you only know from online interactions apply, but these are not insurmountable, as the popularity of online dating in our society shows.

Yesterday I (with my wife) met up with the couple who post here as MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG for a very pleasant, civilised and sane dog walk and coffee. It was very much a relief to be able to have a relaxed conversation with people in which the four of us basically shared the same attitude to masks, lockdowns and most of the current nonsense. Hopefully to be repeated before too long.

Isolation of dissenters is one of the first objectives of propaganda and the suppression of dissenting opinion. They want you to feel that your opinions are extreme and unique, that you are alone and unsupported. Building geographically based communities of sceptics in touch with each other is vital to avoid feeling that isolation. This site helps hugely in just reassuring people that they are not alone in their dissent, but, for most, real world interaction is important.

I believe KBF also encourage such activity, but it can be done here as well. Use the forums here (button top right) to find people in your area, communicate by the rather clunky but workable private messaging system included with the forums (but not, alas, the comment page itself). Bear in mind that commenting identities here are not reserved, so make sure you are communicating with the right person.

266386 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 6, #1414 of 1931 🔗

Nice! Well done to all concerned. 👍

266425 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Mark, 6, #1415 of 1931 🔗

That’s so great to hear! I’m jealous. My husband and I have the odd conversation with sceptics (my yoga teacher), my new vet, and the odd stranger in a lineup, but it would be nice to actually socialize with fellow sceptics. Good for you making it happen!

266436 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1416 of 1931 🔗
266484 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mark, 6, #1417 of 1931 🔗

We’d like to echo what Mark says and thank him for taking the initiative to meet us. It really does help to realise that we do not have to accept the isolation that the Government seeks to impose on us. We found the occasion a real boost and, like Mark says, we hope to meet up again before long.

What was great was that, not only did we all get on really well immediately but it is a profound and happy discovery for us to realise that, outside what we thought of as ‘like-minded’ people, there are those who we may have expected to disagree with politically but who in reality see things very similarly to us. Like many others, we have been shocked by some life-long friends, colleagues and family members who refuse to see what is staring them in the face. (Some seem to be waking up now, thankfully.) It’s hard to see many positives but having your mind broadened is definitely one!

We would also be up for meeting anyone else within reach of the High Peak if they fancy it. We are beginning to understand that there is much more frustration going on in the general public than even we realised but we need to be meeting and talking to each other to turn this into opposition.

To illustrate how people seem to be acting, we have been walking in the High Peak twice in 3 days and it’s packed. Yesterday when we met Mark and his wife, the outdoor coffee place was crowded with little or no anti-social distancing and very few masks. The empty train on the way home had a couple of zombies on it (‘incredible that someone will obey the Covid Cult in an empty carriage!) but the very friendly train guard had obviously had enough of it all and was happy to chat to us bare-faced old rebels.

We are also inspired by Rosie and her leaflets. We have made our own and we need to start giving them out more. MW and AG

266710 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mark, 1, #1418 of 1931 🔗

Yep – highly recommend!

266375 Darryl, 7, #1419 of 1931 🔗

This should be worth listening to later before YouTube removes it. Publishers are usually very careful about lawsuits so they will be very confident of backing up the books contents.

Undercover Epicenter Nurse Erin Olszewski Alleges Corruption & Fraud at Elmhurst Hospital https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg6Sj6n2Dus

Nurse turned undercover investigator Erin Olszewski documented events at Elemhurst Hospital in Queens New York during the height of the Cornavirus pandemic. Erin joins me today to discuss her new book in which she alleges deliberate fraud lead to unnecessary death of New York State residents.

266388 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 33, #1420 of 1931 🔗

Finally got a reply from Sammy Wilson after I wrote to thank him for voting against the mockdown. Do I detect a strong hint to keep up the pressure?

Thank you very much for your email regarding the vote in the House of Commons on the restrictions which the Government has introduced in respect of the current covid pandemic.

I am firmly convinced that the current lockdown, first of all, has little or no effect on stopping the spread of this virus and secondly, is hugely damaging to the economy and thirdly, has been very damaging to people’s health.

I will continue to oppose any of these ill thought out restrictions because I am concerned about their impact on the economy and their ineffectiveness in dealing with the issue, but equally I am very concerned about the invasion which they make on basic rights and freedoms which we have become used to in our democracy.

My great fear is that many of the liberties which are being removed from us are going to be very hard to restore and for all these reasons I will continue to oppose them and I hope that an increasing number of MP’s in the House of Commons will join me in the lobbies. It is surprising how many agree with me privately, but publicly will not vote against the restrictions for a range of reasons. I hope as a result of public pressure and the gradual realisation that what they are being asked to vote for is ineffective anyway, the Government will soon find it impossible to impose these restrictions on our country.

Sammy Wilson MP
(Dictated by Mr Wilson and sent on his behalf)

266398 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 21, #1421 of 1931 🔗

It is surprising how many agree with me privately, but publicly will not vote against the restrictions for a range of reasons.

This is the story of 2020. The vast majority going along with the charade in public whilst a large number of them privately disagree with it.

266419 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Richard O, 8, #1422 of 1931 🔗

Hi Cheezy
I got a personal letter as well from Sammy Wilson. I phoned up his office and had a nice chat with his assistant, and I wanted to know what we the public could do to support Sammy’s position. Judging from this letter here, my phone call had an effect. She told me to keep the pressure up on MPs.

She’s very nice – just tune your ear for a Belfast accent first, if you’re not familiar with it. I wonder if she might give us an idea of which MPs are worth our efforts.

266400 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1423 of 1931 🔗

Good letter, Cheezy. 👍

It is surprising how many agree with me privately, but publicly will not vote against the restrictions for a range of reasons .

That’s worrying!

Edit: you beat me to it by 11 seconds, Richard. 🙂

266426 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1424 of 1931 🔗

It is worrying, but also (possibly) a potential wedge : if the spineless brigade were put under constituency pressure, they might well have a quick Pauline conversion.

266470 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #1425 of 1931 🔗

We can but hope

It’s a very interesting comment. I wonder what that “range of reasons” is. Obviously politics. But what else? Career – don’t want to be seen going against the leadership? I wonder if some of it is fear of opprobrium from social media, TV, the press, the “court of public opinion” – they too are afraid of saying the Emperor has no clothes

266509 ▶▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Julian, 1, #1426 of 1931 🔗

In the case of my MP, I think it’s exactly that: thinks Boris is his chum and doesn’t want to be seen going against the leadership. It could be worse. My neighbouring MP is Barry Sheerman: check out his Twitter over the past couple of days if you dare. The man is unhinged.

266947 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, #1427 of 1931 🔗

MPs are strange in this way, seemingly nobody wants to be the first to stick their neck out vs the PM. a la’ John Redwood in the 90s – I’d be willing to bet, he had a mountain of support in the back room wheeling and dealing, all kind of promises no doubt made – then the time comes, said support disappears faster than a truckload of Trump votes in Pennsylvania, everyone else stands up, give a barnstorming speech: “Yes Prime Minister, three bags full Prime Minister…” & Redwood gets consigned to history as that guy who got walloped.

That said, when the moves are made and the daggers really are drawn, I expect them to come thick & fast because a) literally everybody will fancy their chances to take down Boris, b) Labour will look like absolute idiots if they sit there & do nothing so they will suddenly find their voice and ‘realize’ the error of their ways & start shouting…

266402 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1428 of 1931 🔗

I wish there were more like him! Fascinating to find that MPs are just as baffled as the rest of us, though. It really does seem that the PM and his goons are a law unto themselves and are not communicating any reasons for their disastrous (to put it mildly) policies, even to their own MPs. It just feeds the suspicion that they are not acting on our behalf anymore, but are taking their instructions/payment/incentives from foreign or supranational powers.

266408 ▶▶ JME, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1429 of 1931 🔗

Was just about to post the same letter I’ve just received. Had a few others but this seemed to be expressing the strongest feelings. Those increasing numbers in the HoC need to start standing up alongside him: freedom must massively outrank party loyalty.

266403 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 67, #1430 of 1931 🔗

Today’s leafletting report.

While Priti Patel has been ordering the arrest of sunbathers and people hugging Granny, she’s been allowing the gangs complete freedom to take control of their local areas. The train ride from the suburbs into central London was dismal, a vision of neglect, urban decay – urban rotting – and completely covered with graffiti – this is what the gangs do to stake out their areas. The graffiti was bad about 10/15 years ago, then there was a real pushback, but now …. never seen anything like it. At Waterloo station, more of the same – the wind whistling round, cafes open, South Bank centre a picture of neglect – the only thing flourishing was the moral grime and the signs of the criminals.

Along The Strand, specialist shops closed, dusty, closed down. A pub, closed, dusty, but decorated for Christmas. Another pub with cardboard in the windows, and another also closed for good. Anyone remember the song ‘This town, is coming like a ghost town’ Central London today felt far far worse than that. The maskoids and the shells of what was a rich and fascinating place where people felt good and enjoyed themselves – now it’s a zombie town.

And there’s the only other thing that has flourished in these last few years: massively monstrous buildings, hideous in the chaotic and yet ominous shapes, brooding over what used to be my lovely home town like giants towering over ants.

There are a growing number of people living on the streets now, I had a chat with three today, all well-spoken, no sign of substance abuse, trying to get somewhere but failing.

Stopped to talk to a flower seller, offered my leaflet – pause, “Oh yes my missis will want that” and he took a big pile. Homeless person agrees, so gave him a pile to hand out. Seconds later a well-dressed man came back, asking for more leaflets – the homeless guy had given one and he wanted to put some out on the Tube.

And that was the end of my leaflets. I met nobody today who was sitting on the fence – they either dismissed me out of hand or were eager to talk.

266414 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Rosie, 15, #1431 of 1931 🔗

I had to visit London yesterday Rosie, was hoping I might bump into you..
no such luck! Thank you for all your hard work

266421 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to watashi, 6, #1432 of 1931 🔗

Hi, I’ll let you know when I’m next going. What days are you free?

266416 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rosie, 20, #1433 of 1931 🔗

And Khan is worried that all this will be disastrous for London. It already is you muppet, and you have been one of its greatest cheerleaders all year long.

266530 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Richard O, 6, #1434 of 1931 🔗

It seems the penny may have finally dropped for him, was begging for London to be put in to tier 2 in the Autumn as it would have secured him more funding. It may have hit him that no amount of extra funding for TFL etc will get him re-elected and the cushy, unaccountable life he has been living for the last 4 years will be over unless he gets Londoners back on board. In huge trouble and he knows it.

266420 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Rosie, 12, #1435 of 1931 🔗

The graffiti along side all rail lines out of London is atrocious,it is almost constant for many miles away from the centre,there is hardly anything not covered in it.The overwhelming impression is one of rapid decay and that no-one cares about it.

266424 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Paul, 12, #1436 of 1931 🔗

Exactly – a staggering fast slide into dereliction and gangsters in charge. Presided over by Johnson and Patel.

266434 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Rosie, 10, #1437 of 1931 🔗

Great update Rosie, thanks for the excellent work you are doing.

London does indeed look like a city in decline the amount of Government propaganda everywhere is shocking, I particularly hate the giant communist style murals of mask wearing NHS staff at the Southbank.

266439 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Darryl, 6, #1438 of 1931 🔗

Glad I didn’t spot them 🙁 🙁

There are some very sinister ads as well, portraying mask wearing as normal. A graphic designer I’m in touch with is creating a counter image to put about on Twitter.

266463 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Darryl, 4, #1439 of 1931 🔗

Someone needs to paint faces over them.

266471 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Rosie, 4, #1440 of 1931 🔗

Rosie, can you photograph and document the destruction (if you have time between the amazing work you are doing)? Images of discarded masks, closed shops, empty trains, vacant faces all need to be shared.

266494 ▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, 6, #1441 of 1931 🔗

You’re a heroine, Rosie. And you ought to be a BBC reporter. Smashing stuff.

266553 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 3, #1442 of 1931 🔗

Thank you Annie, praise appreciated. I have taken a few pictures but lack the skill to post them here. I’ll do as you say and take more. Sarigan, if you contact me, I can send the photos to you by email and you can put them here. I’ve not kept all my written reports either, silly me.
I’m here, Sarigan https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

266407 Marialta, replying to Marialta, -7, #1443 of 1931 🔗

http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/influenza-flu

Reading up on flu I didn’t realise that asymptomatic people can infect others for about a week.

266413 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Marialta, 10, #1444 of 1931 🔗

Sooo many pigs flying past the window these days!

266465 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Marialta, 5, #1445 of 1931 🔗

Personal stories of flu

Gigi ended up in intensive care after going down with flu, and has been left with long-term effects.

But she didn’t have a specialist clinic set up for her at extraordinary expense to the tax payer. She got on with life.

266475 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Sarigan, -1, #1446 of 1931 🔗

Yes I saw that, people have short memories about past flu epidemics and I heard there are 40 long Covid clinics being set up. Overreaction – just a bit.

266538 ▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Marialta, 1, #1447 of 1931 🔗

Stop it put your weed down.

266751 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Marialta, #1448 of 1931 🔗

A friend ,who is an ICU nurse told me they once had an elderly patient with flu who had seen nobody save her family who were not ill.

266430 John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 7, #1449 of 1931 🔗

More of my shifts cancelled here in Wales as Health boards are requested to provide NHS Nurses to cover Care Home absences due to pcr fuck ups.Owners most be rubbing
their hands with glee as Agency Nurses are held at bay.I thought the poor NHS nurses are overwhelmed?On the plus side I get more time off. I was asked to have another pcr test tomorrow despite no symptoms well guess what no way picture hugger!

266435 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 3, #1450 of 1931 🔗

What’s the latest on the subject of vaccination rollout from 1 December -?

266491 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Rosie, 7, #1451 of 1931 🔗

Hi Rosie I’ve heard nothing regarding that from my Agencies.Most people I know in Wales think its bollocks.Those that embrace it appear to be exiles abroad ie English mask wearing zealots.The Valley folk are having non of it I can tell you.I work mainly in the Rhondda and yes I’m English.No vac for me my futures looking bleak but hey it makes me feel alive again just to resist this mania.

266499 ▶▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 4, #1452 of 1931 🔗

Nothing from the RCN or those twats the NMC either.Iwas hounded for years by them one full hearing in the strand and several investigations all proven in my favour.Im a thorn in their side but I continue just to annoy them.

266506 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 3, #1453 of 1931 🔗

Good on yer , the more people who can hold out against the agenda the better chance of turning the tables on these shysters.

266547 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1454 of 1931 🔗

Well done you, John!

Do you do videos btw. I’m familiar with your name but it could be someone else I guess, same name -??

266437 Walter Leadbetter, replying to Walter Leadbetter, #1455 of 1931 🔗

Suggestion for Theme Tune (‘I Want to Break Free’): Queen.

266520 ▶▶ c s, replying to Walter Leadbetter, 1, #1456 of 1931 🔗

My suggestion would be “What do you want from me?” by Monaco

266442 Darryl, 3, #1457 of 1931 🔗

This guy sums up the current state of affairs well –

Bojo’s Brown Shirts Continue Turning The Public Against Them. Political Dissent Is Illegal In The UK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzcA8omF808

Can’t imagine it will bother senior officers but might start to bother some in the ranks.

266444 Voz 0db, 5, #1458 of 1931 🔗

See SLAVES… THEY allow you to travel FREELY!! How wonderful is that?!

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266445 leggy, replying to leggy, 15, #1459 of 1931 🔗

My daughter sent me the suicide data for 2010-2019 released this month by the ONS.

I thought I’d chart it and see what happened to the chart if the tweet from the London Ambulance Service about year on year growth in suicide related call outs applied to the whole of England and Wales. I’ve assumed that this was proportionate to suicides as well as attempted suicides.

Obviously this is entirely speculation, but if it’s good enough for Ferguson…I don’t think it’ll be a million miles away sadly.

266460 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to leggy, 1, #1460 of 1931 🔗

Entirely Speculation = The Science

266447 Tony Rattray, 3, #1461 of 1931 🔗

Fancy regular free luxury takeaways and billions to spend with no rules. Department of health now recruiting….

Matt Hancock defends spending almost £50,000 on Bong Bong’s Filipino takeaways | The Independent

266449 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 3, #1462 of 1931 🔗

I hope everyone has watched ‘The Great Reset’ just above the line. Excellent and booklet she holds up was written by a pal of mine …. no, that’s an exaggeration, but we did have a long correspondence about how to get some real traction going as regards the ‘climate change’ scam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eirm9mapQyY

Tom Tamarkin’s site is worth checking out https://climatecite.com/

266495 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Rosie, 4, #1463 of 1931 🔗

Yes , really good video. Concise info presented with humour.
Hopefully people are starting to wake up to the realities of what’s been going on and picking up speed for a number of years

A good next step is to visit the WEF website and explore the info they are peddling . There’s a “blog” been started recently which has some illuminating info.

For anyone still thinking this will pass once Boris gets his brain reinstalled check out the IATA info on their “travel pass”, coincidentally they are based in …Geneva, and one of the main backers is …..WEF , who would have thought ?

266511 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #1464 of 1931 🔗

That’s just another coincidence!

266517 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, 4, #1465 of 1931 🔗

And the WEF connections to the WTTC/ICAO/World Tourism Organisation as well, all total coincidences.

266572 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Rosie, 4, #1466 of 1931 🔗

Cory Morningstar has written about the involvement of the Greens too. They’re not so cuddly

266450 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1467 of 1931 🔗

Copy and Paste M Zuckerberg’s remarks on your Facebook page and see if it gets censored.

266468 ▶▶ Ben, replying to richard riewer, 9, #1468 of 1931 🔗

YouTube and Facebook are deleting anything that challenges the prevailing Covid narrative. It’s digital book burning en masse

266467 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1469 of 1931 🔗

Latest deaths 696 and infections 18213 -from/with/postive tests etc . 696 seems a lot -who are they?

266469 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to arfurmo, #1470 of 1931 🔗

Some will be from the weekend.

266472 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Silke David, 2, #1471 of 1931 🔗

Some will be from September.

266477 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1472 of 1931 🔗

As always, based on PCR test so not worth the paper its written on.

Even using that test, though, look at the deaths by date of death, not by date reported. It is flatlining/going down: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

266529 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to kenadams, 3, #1473 of 1931 🔗

They’re waking up to the PCR test scam in Italy too

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1331500903564775426?s=20

266478 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to arfurmo, #1474 of 1931 🔗

A N other and family and friends.

266492 ▶▶ Nic, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1475 of 1931 🔗

No t reallythe uk uk with illegals has s population of +70 million these died eith corona a lot caught it in hospital like yo k ow there ages as well

266521 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1476 of 1931 🔗

Some (most) won’t be from Covid at all.

266528 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1477 of 1931 🔗

Not all in one day, as we all know. Unlikely many of them are of Covid, as we also all know.

This is how much today’s ‘Date of Death’ numbers differ from yesterday’s, people ‘died’ on the following days.

06/11    1
07/11    1
08/11    0
09/11    4
10/11    1
11/11    3
12/11    3
13/11    13
14/11    7
15/11    10
16/11    15
17/11    9
18/11    28
19/11    21
20/11    47
21/11    94
22/11    111
23/11    186
24/11    140

Plus a couple of earlier fiddling with some days going up one, some days going down one (they always adjust figures as corrections come in)

266536 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1478 of 1931 🔗

And compare with heart disease

If Bill Gates cared about world health he’d be focusing on eradicating hunger. Millions die from hunger every year

266546 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ben, 5, #1479 of 1931 🔗

Yup! Bill’s solution to remove hunger is to remove the hungry people. 🙁

266558 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ben, 12, #1480 of 1931 🔗

The #1 thing he would do were he a genuine philanthropist is supply sewerage and clean drinking water, everywhere.

266570 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Rosie, 2, #1481 of 1931 🔗

Exactly

266618 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Rosie, 2, #1482 of 1931 🔗

No roi on that scheme

266724 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rosie, 1, #1483 of 1931 🔗

He would mix up the pipes.

266584 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1484 of 1931 🔗

Hello arfurmo,
apparently if you divide the number of infections by fifty you will get the number of deaths in three to four weeks. So on Christmas we will have 364 deaths,terrible but not the 4000 deaths Boris promised us.

266683 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Derek Toyne, #1485 of 1931 🔗

Flu or covid?

266474 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #1486 of 1931 🔗

Just found this document on gov.uk:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

In it it says “A typical RT-PCR assay will have a maximum of 40 thermal cycles. “.

So why do the tests get run at 45 cycles?

And a few more gems:

Whilst high Ct values may be associated with reduced infectivity, a swab taken at a single point in time does not provide information about the trajectory or subsequent course of illness.

The clinical significance of positive results with high Ct are difficult to interpret in the absence of clinical history and context.

Live and potentially infectious virus has been isolated in laboratory cell culture from samples exhibiting high Ct (>36) – to what extent this indicates a potential transmission risk from person-to-person is not fully understood.

Serial Ct values have greater utility for interpretation but are generally only undertaken in hospital settings for the purpose of clinical management rather than infection control purposes.

Interpreting single positive Ct values for staging infectious course, prognosis, infectivity or as an indicator of recovery must be done with context about the clinical history .

This all boils down to me as “no symptoms, no medical case”.

266490 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1487 of 1931 🔗

Robin Monotti Gaziadei is covering the PCR test scandal in Italy too. Twitter is trying to hide content. (Twitter and Facebook are a disgrace)

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1331596216036155402?s=20


266519 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1488 of 1931 🔗

AG, I’m in touch with a large group of people, 20 I think they said, working together in Germany on the PCR scandal. Do you want to talk to them? Very strong and hard-working sceptics.
If so contact me here https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

266531 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Rosie, 2, #1489 of 1931 🔗

Will do it over them weekend, they are welcome to all my FOIs etc for their case.

The main FOI is the one from August on twitters from Simon Dolan, laworfiction, Francis Hoar and a few others.

266537 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1490 of 1931 🔗

I don’t think they do Twitter, AG.
They do seem to have found themselves a niche role on the PCR test, which obviously is of central importance.

266559 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Rosie, #1491 of 1931 🔗

Here’s a link to it on onedrive as a starter for 10:

https://1drv.ms/b/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiWbEqGTrkGWfYyay

266561 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Awkward Git, #1492 of 1931 🔗

Thanks, I’ll send that to them at once 🙂

266479 Ben, replying to Ben, 8, #1493 of 1931 🔗

Small businesses all over the world are being closed down in the name of public health. Are economies being deliberately destroyed? If so – why, and who for?

https://twitter.com/denisrancourt/status/1331440888250322944?s=20

266485 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Ben, 6, #1494 of 1931 🔗

UBI, {no, not them} – universal basic income: do as THEY say or