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267039 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 24, #1 of 2327 🔗

Good morning everyone.
Sad to hear about the tiers. What more can one say.

267240 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Judy Watson, 9, #2 of 2327 🔗

That your anti-lockdown alternative & fringe corporate media is not even remotely effective in creating pressure to end lockdown. Because it’s not meant to.

Government says there must be this thing, so better go along then. That’s what I see being sold and bought here.

Prohibition And Covid-19; Part One: War On The People

267368 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to PWL, 11, #3 of 2327 🔗


If you supported the lockdowns, shut the hell up about the reckoning By Laura Perrins
November 26, 2020

In the comments section on this piece there is a photo of Matt Hancock meeting Klaus Schwab at Davos – VERY SINISTER

TWITTER Darren of Plymouth 🇬🇧 @DarrenPlymouth
16 Nov

Klaus Schwab and Matt Hancock at Davos , they discussed the 4th Industrial Revolution. (2018)

We know it as a conspiracy called #TheGreatReset


267405 ▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 19, #4 of 2327 🔗

Hi All, so I wrote a terse, scalding but factually accurate (with references) letter to my MP last month questioning his support for the lastest lockdown measures, given that he had previously wrote (back) to me quoting Vallance and Whitty’s graph-of-doom and worst case scenario predictions in another semi-related matter.

I got a reply to my latest letter, I won’t waste anyone’s time with the entire response, but key was this (bold mine):

I fully recognise concerns expressed by constituents that national restrictions were put in place in response to modelling which did not factor in regional measures established through the tiered system. However, while I understand that there was a mistake in plotting the confidence intervals, which was corrected as soon as it was identified, there was no error in the underlying analysis or advice to government. On that basis, the medium-term projections on daily deaths and hospital admissions for the next six weeks remain the same, and have not been altered: this means that, with no further action taken, we would be likely to breach the first wave of hospital admissions and deaths in a matter of weeks. At present, the R rate remains above 1 in England, meaning that infections, hospitalisations and deaths continue to double nationally.

So in other words, even though projections of 50K infections/day in mid-October, 4K deaths/day in early December, and completely overrun hospitals by mid-November have never even come close to being materialised, that doesn’t change the analytical decision making process up to date??!! WTF?

Furthermore, the following is completely incorrect as there is not a shred of evidence based on past minister’s actions to support this:

I agree that it is vital that we act on the latest data available to ensure that the most appropriate actions are taken at the most appropriate time. I know my colleagues throughout the Government agree with this principle, and are working with researchers, scientific advisers, and data teams to ensure that they have access to information as quickly as possible. I also welcome that the Government is continuing to make data publicly available.

And lastly, this is good:

I am receiving a very high volume of e-mails and other correspondence at present due to COVID-19 …… My small team of staff and I are focusing on these cases; therefore, I am unable to provide you with a running commentary or provide a plethora of answers on the Government’s handling of the virus or the data being used.

So fuck off and don’t write back … ever.

Sigh, so really, is there any point writing to him anymore?

Jesus! Sorry, just had to rant!

Yours in disgust!

267455 ▶▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to HaylingDave, 4, #5 of 2327 🔗

I’ve met and written to my MP many times over the years. I’m not under any illusion that it has made the slightest difference, but at least I feel I’ve made an effort. However in the last month I’ve tried repeatedly phoning – on her local office number, that of the Conservative constituency office (in the same building), and even the published number at the HOC. Not once has anyone answered – all I get is “We are too busy to get to the phone” etc. I left a couple of messages, but (predictably) no reply. Defeatist that I may be, I’m simply not going to waste my time writing or emailing, as I know what the result will be. A quick look at her website yesterday confirmed that she just regurgitates Tory Head Office blurb – the most recent “News” even includes the “Build Back Better” and “Green Recovery” crap. Suffice to say, the next time we cross paths – probably when she comes knocking at my door looking for votes – the response will be very frosty.

On further thought, I doubt that I’ll either be 1) still alive, or 2) still living at this address in 4 years time. I suspect by then she will have decided motherhood is more important than representing constituents…

267560 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to microdave, 1, #6 of 2327 🔗

Better to write to the ones who say they’ll vote against next week.

Here’s a scarcely veiled call to action by Sammy Wilson:

My great fear is that many of the liberties which are being removed from us are going to be very hard to restore and for all these reasons I will continue to oppose them and I hope that an increasing number of MP’s in the House of Commons will join me in the lobbies. It is surprising how many agree with me privately, but publicly will not vote against the restrictions for a range of reasons. I hope as a result of public pressure and the gradual realisation that what they are being asked to vote for is ineffective anyway, the Government will soon find it impossible to impose these restrictions on our country.

My own (Tory) MP is useless and a completely lost cause. However, next week, I intend to ask him if he will vote with the Labour Party for a totalitarian dictorship, or will vote to uphold the constitutional rights and freedoms of his electorate.

Our lobbying the anti-lockdown MPs might give them ammo to convert some of the sceptical ones into voting against.

If anyone has a list of the rebels, it would be very useful. Please ask Toby to to include it in the newsletter, like he did before.

269104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jillian, replying to Cheezilla, #7 of 2327 🔗

I think Guido Fawkes website has a list of rebel MPs. Mine isn’t among them, and when I wrote to ask why the response indicated that “hundreds of thousands of people will die”. Needless to say I’ll not be voting for him again.

267523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #8 of 2327 🔗

Wow, not even time to forward you a boilerplate response? How hard they must work for their £100K.

267852 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #9 of 2327 🔗

My Labour MP straight up admitted that she simply voted in line with her Labour colleagues. Screw the constituents, the party is where it’s at.

269033 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Squire Western, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #10 of 2327 🔗

To be fair to her, that is exactly what MP’s should do. They are not elected to exercise their judgement unless they stand as independents. If they stand for a party then they should almost always follow the party whip.

269357 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Squire Western, #11 of 2327 🔗

I don’t agree with that. MPs should represent their constituents, first and foremost. The way they represent them is by following party doctrine. If the people want better healthcare, a socialist MP will vote for social measures, and a libertarian MP will vote for a free market solution (can’t really say a Tory MP, because this is the UK and most parties are all for social measures, so it wouldn’t be a very good example). But his or her goal should still be to deliver better healthcare to their constituents, no matter what the party wants.

If the public wants something radically different from what the MP wants (because public opinion changed since the MP was elected) and there can be no reconciliation, i believe the MP should stand down rather than impose party ideology on the people.

If the sole purpose of MPs is to vote according to party directives, then why bother asking MPs to vote for anything? The leader of the majority party says ‘yea’ or ‘nay’ and that’s it, show’s over.

269372 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to HaylingDave, #12 of 2327 🔗

“infections, hospitalisations and deaths continue to double nationally.”

What? R above 1 = infections doubling? That’s wrong. Anyway, even if it was, doubling in how many days? It’s just utter meaningless nonsense!

Ronnie Campbell, the old Blyth Valley MP for life who supported Brexit because he could see which way his fiefdom was going, had to be taught to write his own name by his union so he could sign documents. These thick, entitled bastards don’t deserve public office.

267471 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #13 of 2327 🔗

How many MPs already know about the Great Reset? How many are on board with it?

The longer this goes on, the more and more the UK public will come to view MPs as their jailors and not their representatives

267599 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #14 of 2327 🔗

Laura Perrins is correct in what she says about those who supported the lockdowns sharing the guilt for the havoc they have caused. Like many others though she still assumes that the government has acted out of stupidity, fear and panic. A proper look at things will tell you, that the government is clearly acting to further the interests of a globalist cabal and is doing so at the expense and wellbeing of its own citizens.

267713 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Rowan, 1, #15 of 2327 🔗

Read the comments underneath – they are nearly all pointing this out. MW

267693 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #16 of 2327 🔗

Hancock is a piece of shit so is Johnson

267491 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 1, #17 of 2327 🔗

“That your anti-lockdown alternative & fringe corporate media is not even remotely effective in creating pressure to end lockdown. Because it’s not meant to.”

What do you mean by “your” media? What is this fringe corporate media of which you speak>

“Government says there must be this thing, so better go along then. That’s what I see being sold and bought here.”

Sorry, too subtle for me. What is being bought and sold, where?

268631 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Julian, #18 of 2327 🔗

I’ve looked at PWL’s site. I was none the wiser for doing so. Seems to think they have the answer to all our problems, though.

268634 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to ConstantBees, #19 of 2327 🔗

I looked once before and was none the wiser

268300 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Judy Watson, #20 of 2327 🔗

Tears would be a more appropriate term.

268405 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #21 of 2327 🔗

As far as I can see, this means the pub sector is doomed. It’s going to be shuttered indefinitely on 2. Meals are not some way out here. This is jaw dropping.

267040 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 14, #22 of 2327 🔗

I’d like to suggest “Iron Hand” by Dire Straits as a theme song. It’s about the Battle of Orgreave during the miner strikes in the ’80s. It’s about the legalised violence and sheer abuse of power shown by police forces towards protesters. Towards the people. I thought it’s fitting, considering the current behaviour of the police towards people.

267085 ▶▶ l835, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 16, #23 of 2327 🔗

Let’s not forget the BBC edited footage to show the miners charging the police first, when in reality it was the police who made the first mother way round

267723 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to l835, 4, #24 of 2327 🔗

Not sure how anyone can honestly believe a state funded network can be impartial.

267815 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to l835, 3, #25 of 2327 🔗

It is all standard practice these days. Produce fake news, filled with lies and manipulation, and then later claim that it was a mistake and “we apologise for any inconvenience”. But by that point the damage is done. The narrative you wanted to uphold passed, the public were deceived, and no one bothers looking at the amendments.
Sometimes i wish that the press be held legally responsible for deliberately publishing demonstrable lies and inaccuracies. The media has a lot of power and a lot of freedom, but freedom and power must come with responsibilities, and one such responsibility has to be to not deceive or lie to the public.

267204 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #26 of 2327 🔗

Excellent. Ashamed to say the subject of the song never occurred to me. A Lockdown sceptics anthem…

267315 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #27 of 2327 🔗

If only Arthur were in charge of the People’s Republic he would know what to do.

267332 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -1, #28 of 2327 🔗


BBCFNC some surprises here, all is not as BBC, Guardian, Michael Mansfield would have you believe.

267698 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #29 of 2327 🔗

Mansfield is one of the good guys so is Johnathan Sumption hates the establishment and Royalty bullshit

267466 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #30 of 2327 🔗

Brilliant. In those days the working class left would have led the protests, together with students. Since then, the destruction of the traditional industries, followed by the state dependence created by the Blair years has neutralised the working class, and students are more interested in their ‘identities’.
It is that dependence on the state, and the rise of identity politics as a narcissistic distraction, that has paved the way for the current compliance of most of the population.

267746 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #31 of 2327 🔗

Well, it’s still the left that organizes protests and riots, as we can see from the US. But the greatest trick of the ruling classes was to fool the left in rioting for them rather than against them. It probably has to do with the fact that the left is no longer working class.

267895 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #32 of 2327 🔗

Indeed and first spotted during the anti-brexit protests. As someone memorably said “I remember when the youth protested against the establishment – now they protest in favour of it”

268372 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to kf99, -3, #33 of 2327 🔗

And the billionaire newspaper barons who propagandized the public to vote for Brexit are somehow not “the establishment”?

268381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to GCarty80, 1, #34 of 2327 🔗

Not entirely sure, to be honest, but i don’t think so. I don’t think Brexit was something the establishment wanted, and that’s very apparent from how it was sabotaged at every step.

268606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #35 of 2327 🔗

Sabotaged at every step is what I see as ‘managed’.
Start of with a brand name and then control the opposition,
Hedge your bets both ways. Fear and division – like dolphins working the shoal. Now the feeding frenzy.

268468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to GCarty80, #36 of 2327 🔗

A fair point to make. Many people on here would subscribe to the idea of the MSM influencing the masses especially in relation to Covid. Would point out though that the government and the television news people were rabid remainers and propagandised accordingly… and that the present pro lockdown propaganda dwarfs the puny efforts of both leave and remain

268512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to Hill Street Bluez, #37 of 2327 🔗

Although some people believe that leavers are gullible… remainers and pro lockdown fanatics are wise and wonderful human beings… 😂

267821 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #38 of 2327 🔗

Excellent reply.. as someone in my late 60s I’ve been thinking about exactly the things you’ve mentioned..

267483 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #39 of 2327 🔗

David Wilkie taxi driver 9/7/1949 – 30/11/1984. Lest we forget. I womder if Arthur has forgotten him as he sits in his swanky Barbican flat (bought for £1million, half price, using Thatcher’s right to buy policy although it isn’t his only home, still cheaper than having to pay the rent as he was finally forced to).

267042 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 53, #40 of 2327 🔗

Good Morning Judy.

BBC Radio spent yesterday sneering at Rishi Sunak as the cost of the Deadly Pandemic began to emerge, all of their news and programme presenters used variations of

‘told you so it’s all your fault and now there’s gonna be tax rises and cutbacks !’

As though they had not enthusiastically supported lockdown from the start and beyond.
One or two even figured out what has been predicted here at LS for months. That the debt incurred by lockdown will take generations to repay.

On a brighter note the audience for Question Time has slumped to 600,000, its lowest ever.

267062 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 21, #41 of 2327 🔗

One day the BBC will come round to the idea that lockdown was the wrong policy right from the start. Probably too late to do any good, but it will.

267064 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 47, #42 of 2327 🔗

And when they do, they’ll grandstand about it in self-glorifying sanctimonious outrage like you wouldn’t believe. Conveniently forgetting that they have done more to brainwash the population than anyone else.

267077 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #43 of 2327 🔗

Too right they will.

267080 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to annie, 29, #44 of 2327 🔗

I don’t think they will. The narrative is always going to be that the lockdowns would have worked if only the troublesome people had obeyed the ‘rules’ properly. If only the authorities had clamped down sooner on ‘dangerous misinformation’ etc.

267352 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #45 of 2327 🔗

It’s that age old defence used by abusers, “You MADE me do it to you”.

267702 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #46 of 2327 🔗

I agree with you, Barney. Myths become established in the mainstream media and the myth here will be as you say, plus lockdown should have been earlier and harsher.

Incidentally, are Pugh, Pugh, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grubb also lockdown sceptics?

267206 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to annie, 12, #47 of 2327 🔗

Arrogant organisations find it very difficult to admit that they were wrong and the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance will continue for a very long time despite mounting evidence. Eventually the truth is admitted and previous views quietly buried, and everyone was a member of the French Resistance.

267389 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #48 of 2327 🔗

Agree with this, except for the assumption that they were wrong. They played their scripted part in the ‘great’ reset.

They might well change their tune in the future, but what they say then will probably be lies as well.

267256 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to annie, 4, #49 of 2327 🔗

I know that has to happen but the games they’ll play to wring their hands of the complicity will be excruciating. Scenario 1: PCR is decalred a fraud and the casedemic is fully revealed. The BBC News are up in arms. “How could they do this?” Always aware that there had been cases building and cases won and they never once chose to shine a light on it.

Last night the local ‘investigative’ journalism programme Spotlight, went into the local T and T system. They had zero depth. It was all based on the assumption that lockdowns are needed unless we throw more money at T and T to bring ‘cases’ down.

Half an hour of my life, wasted.

It concluded its investigation with a couple min rant from Prof Scally who warned us all, again, that this was the plague and lockdowns were necessary. The harder the better.

In case you don’t remember Scally here he is.


267102 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 29, #50 of 2327 🔗

This is another nail in the coffin of the BBC. They together with their colleagues in the MSM have pushed for the lockdown and growing restrictions with their hysterical coverage, fake stats, fake footage and fake data.

So when Sunak announces pay freezes in the public sector as well as cuts and possible tax raids, what did they expect?

There’s no such thing as a free lunch but the morons in the Beeb would never understand that as they’ve been swimming in freebies for years, even decades now.

The virus is now gone but the social, economic, psychological costs will be with us for years, decades and with the psychological perhaps they will be with us for life.

267134 ▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 25, #51 of 2327 🔗

The BBC are pro lockdown but they hate the Tories. Any move by the government to get back to normal will be slaughtered by the BBC, but equally any economic distress will be the government’s fault for not locking down sooner, not doing T&T better, not investing more in the NHS in previous years, not printing more money, not taxing the rich enough etc etc.

267271 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 4, #52 of 2327 🔗

Well we could grasp that and see the inevitable results coming from a mile off. How come the big brains in Downing St thought they could somehow ride the tiger without getting eaten in the end?

267499 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #53 of 2327 🔗

Good question. Hubris? Maybe they were going to mount some token attacks on the BBC but now realise they need them.

267667 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 2, #54 of 2327 🔗

One word. Superforecasters. The most unintentionally ironic word since Schutzstaffel (“protection squadron”).

268376 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #55 of 2327 🔗

The SS were called a “protection squadron” because they were originally set up as Hitler’s personal bodyguard.

267278 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Julian, 9, #56 of 2327 🔗

It’seems not just the BBC is it though? I TV C4 and C5 are just as bad not to mention the MSN with the exception of the DM. The massive scale of the propaganda and manufactured hysteria would have made Stalin proud.

267398 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Dominich -, 10, #57 of 2327 🔗

The DM were just as bad as the others back from Feb to May. Their more recent shift to lockdown scepticism seems to me to be just another part of the plan.

Worth remembering that there was only Hitchens in the msm speaking honestly back in the spring.

267401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to JohnB, 6, #58 of 2327 🔗

Hitch must get fed up of being the lone voice in the wilderness. On WMD in Iraq, the rush to war in Libya and Syria, now this.

267928 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, 7, #59 of 2327 🔗

The DM were just as bad as the others back from Feb to May. Their more recent shift to lockdown scepticism seems to me to be just another part of the plan .”

That is simply incorrect. I well recall the DM as being just about the only place publishing at least the occasional bit of scepticism, albeit amidst plenty of the establishment stuff, back even in April. They really were different and categorically better than the rest of the “msm”, barring the Telegraph and Spectator.

Here, for instance, they are publishing Carl Heneghan – at that time seriously subversive stuff – on 20th April, and what’s more under a headline calling him “leading expert”. This doesn’t seem remarkable now, but it really was back in April!

UK announces 449 more coronavirus deaths – the fewest for a fortnight as leading expert argues Britain’s crisis peaked BEFORE lockdown and claims fatality rate could be as low as 0.1%

  • NHS England said a further 429 people have died in its hospitals – just 85 of those died yesterday, April 19
  • Oxford University Professor Carl Heneghan said the UK’s outbreak peaked back in March
  • He said data showed this but ministers had ‘lost sight’ of the scientific evidence and panicked about lockdown
  • Professor Heneghan hailed Sweden for ‘holding its nerve’ – the country has stayed open for business as usual
  • Sweden’s infection and death rates are so far lower than UK’s and its economy is stable
  • Here’s how to help people impacted by Covid-19

PUBLISHED: 12:22, 20 April 2020 | UPDATED: 18:16, 20 April 2020

268559 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #60 of 2327 🔗

Fair enough. I guess that was the earliest one you could find though ? 🙂

268633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, 2, #61 of 2327 🔗

Didn’t look very hard – that one’s saved in my “covid references” folder.

267496 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #62 of 2327 🔗

They have all bought into the narrative though are probably not all as anti-Tory as the BBC (probably with the exception of C4, which is state media).

267162 ▶▶ steph, replying to karenovirus, 7, #63 of 2327 🔗

I hope that some economists are right and that with the right policies we can grow our way out of much of the debt. The problem being the small likelihood of having a government that would implement the right policies rather than unimaginative tax hikes and damaging green restrictions.
Of course, we can’t grow our way out of the damage to people’s health and some small businesses will never recover.

267963 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steph, 2, #64 of 2327 🔗

The alternative build back better. We can do better than them.

267236 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to karenovirus, 14, #65 of 2327 🔗

I never, ever, ever, listen or watch the BBC. Consequently I don’t get as mad and depressed as people who do……….

268653 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to flyingjohn, 2, #66 of 2327 🔗

Not a blanket ban here but no BBC news, current arrairs, chat show or any other broadcast which promotes/validates coronamania is allowed air-time

267357 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 14, #67 of 2327 🔗

So many are switching off the news because it’s non-stop Covid propaganda. Sue Cook, ex BBC presenter, said she can’t bear the BBC anymore

267464 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Ben, 3, #68 of 2327 🔗

I only put it on for the weather (which is just another “forecast” anyway). If I’m feeling really brave I’ll scan through the Red Button news (Ceefax to oldies like me!). At least this gives me the opportunity to ignore anything clearly fake…

267593 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to microdave, 3, #69 of 2327 🔗

You still have a tv licence?
You can get the weather online free – and more quickly, any time to suit.

268756 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to microdave, 2, #70 of 2327 🔗

you mention the weather-Piers Corbyn claims he was banned from bidding to take over the Weather forecast from the Met office

267043 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 16, #71 of 2327 🔗

“Hospitals Still Not Protecting Patients From Covid.”
It is surely unbelievable that health authorities have still not learned the lessons of the past when infectious diseases were defeated by Isolating them with Isolation Hospitals.
As was said here months ago the Nightingales should have been built with this in mind but that would have required them to be single story to avoid lifts and staircases.

No doubt the Isolation Protocols taught to my SRN* mum in the 1940s exist only in dusty paper files not accessible to spreadsheets and algorithms.

*State Registered Nurse.

267050 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 36, #72 of 2327 🔗

RE your Mum being an SRN in the 40’s – this was before antibiotics. There was a qualification called ‘fever nurse’ who worked in the isolation hospitals. Up until the90’s the ward sister was in charge of everything on her ward/unit including oversight of the cleaners who took their jobs very seriously.

I worked in operating theatres and at the time if there was a case of post op infection there was a major inquiry as to what had gone wrong. These days there are very few stand alone specialist hospitals. The big district general hospitals have many different specialities within them, cleaners are now not under Sisters/Matrons control and can be deployed anywhere. Same goes for agency nurses, porters etc.

Around the time of the increase in hospital acquired infections was the stopping of using phenol for cleaning floors etc, due to it’s carcinogenic effects in children. Fair enough but it should have been continued to use in the common entrance areas.

I could rant on for ever about the shambolic state of hospital uncleanliness but I think that when two of my patients (I worked in general practice) picked up scabies whilst in patients says it all really.

There are times when I am ashamed to say I was a nurse.

Sorry for ranting. Feel the same about all the covid crap.

267052 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Judy Watson, 37, #73 of 2327 🔗

Yes, being a nurse and ward sister from the 80s to the 90s I can identify with your comments. Cleaners were part of the team, a vested interest in the whole patient outcome and valued as such. Once ousted and contract cleaners used, obviously there was no longer any vested interest in doing a good job, just come in, do the minimum and out. As a ward sister, nothing got past me, and as you mentioned any post op wound infections were thoroughly investigated, though they were rare, now it seems to be the norm. Equally with pressure sores – they were rightfully seen as negligence and a result of poor nursing care, and therefore not seen on properly run wards.

267072 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Nsklent, 24, #74 of 2327 🔗

I witnessed the privatisation of the cleaning services in the late 90s when working at a hospital in Bath: all the NHS cleaners left, not wishing to find themselves working for Securicor.

Agency cleaners replaced the professionals with the dire results which you describe.

I also attempted to persuade ward staff to open windows, to allow for crucial ventilation, without success.

My late Mum was a VAD in WW2, and told me of the hours spent cleaning and disinfecting every area.

Finally, the old style nightingale wards had large windows ,which could be opened at the top by means of window poles. This was done regularly many years ago when I was in my early 20s and working as an auxiliary in a Manchester teaching hospital.

267606 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nsklent, 2, #75 of 2327 🔗

The cleaners would chat to the patients too, which meant social contact for the patients and extra eyes to monitor their wellbeing.

267053 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Judy Watson, 30, #76 of 2327 🔗

One of the really noticable things when you go into a hospital now is how they no longer smell clean and how stuffy they are. Our local doctors’ surgery has carpet tiles on the floor which is hardly conducive to good hygiene. The room that you have to go in for blood tests is more akin to someone’s living room rather than a setting for medical procedures – it’s packed to the rafters with the nurse’s personal knick-knacks. I find this incredibly unprofessional.

I used to spend lots of time in the local infirmary as a child (being stitched up or mended in some way) and I remember vividly how strongly it smelled of disinfectant. Fast forward 40 odd years and the hospital my mum died in, for all the anti-bac palaver and ban on ‘dangerous’ flowers, it did not look or feel at all clean.

267055 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 14, #77 of 2327 🔗

My poor dad died in 2011 (on the ghastly Liverpool path, for which we will never, never, never forgive the NHS) in a side alcove to a surgical ward in Addenbrooke’s. There was a bottle of hand sanitiser mounted by the door, but it was empty. Despite our repeated requests for it to be refilled, it never was.

267058 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 12, #78 of 2327 🔗

So sorry to read this Annie. My mum was in Broomfields. I will never, ever forgive the way they treated her in her final hours.

267186 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to annie, 7, #79 of 2327 🔗

The Liverpool pathway – how dreadful. And in Addies, one of our “world beating” teaching hospitals. It makes me so angry. I’m very sorry he and your family went through that.

268950 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to steph, 2, #80 of 2327 🔗

Oh yes, they can beat the world in ‘teaching’ and ‘research’. But they are world crap at mopping the floor.

267083 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to kh1485, 8, #81 of 2327 🔗

Our hospital is far from stuffy, it’s like a blooming wind tunnel with all the windows open, everybody freezing, uncomfortable, and we know immunity is lowered if you’re cold..!
Can I ask if you raised the concern about the nurses “knick knacks”, whatever they were, with the nurse or the surgery, and what the response was?

267087 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJS123, 15, #82 of 2327 🔗

I wasn’t suggesting that all the windows be open, I was just opining that it being stuffy wasn’t healthy.

No, I didn’t raise the issue of her personal effects (I had been just been mis-diagnosed with a serious heart condition so wasn’t in the mood for taking them on). The room in question was festooned with posters about god and religion and her desk was similarly cluttered with junk. I do not think it was appropriate for a clinical setting to be an extension of her personal life.

267177 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 3, #83 of 2327 🔗

I’ve just made an almost identical post. We can’t both have been imagining it.

267187 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to steph, 4, #84 of 2327 🔗

Me too.

267399 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 5, #85 of 2327 🔗

With my mum’s stay in hospital, I certainly wasn’t imagining it. Those nightmare days will haunt me forever. Awful, awful place. If I had known how seriously ill she was (they didn’t bother to tell me), I would have brought her home and she could have had some peace. The only people who treated her with dignity were the hospital porters and one junior doctor.

267620 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #86 of 2327 🔗

1996: My Mum was moved to a sideroom because she was being barrier-nursed after chemo.
There was a huge dustball under the bed!

We were supposed to don a plastic apron before entering. The aprons were dumped on a chair outside her room, which would often disappear at visiting time.

267065 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 16, #87 of 2327 🔗

Good rant.
My mums first rule of nursing was

‘Make sure the drains are clean and if they are not clean them yourself’

When I told her in the 1990s that hospitals were disposing of their direct labour maintenance crews in favour of contractors she predicted hospital disease immediately.

267076 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 11, #88 of 2327 🔗

And as for ‘clean them yourself’… nurses are graduates, they won’t stoop to lowly things like mopping floors. I remember my dad being in a ward whose floor was so dirty that your feet stuck to it as you tried to walk. And he was diabetic, and they let him walk about in open-toed sandals, then discharged him with a virulent infection that turned his feet and calves swollen and black.

267172 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Judy Watson, 9, #89 of 2327 🔗

Rants are entirely justified in the circumstances, Judy.
I recall a short stay in hospital in the 70s when everything had a reassuring and distinctive clean smell. The hospital in which my mother had several stays at the end of her life 2019 – 2020 smelt mostly of various bodily fluids. It cannot possibly have been clean.

267755 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to steph, 1, #90 of 2327 🔗

Sad to say it probably wasn’t.

267097 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 9, #91 of 2327 🔗

‘Protecting from Covid’ = denying freedom to live

267188 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 7, #92 of 2327 🔗

‘Staying safe’ – not living

267486 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 5, #93 of 2327 🔗

‘Be kind’ – be an absolute arse who preaches, projects, spews bile and wants to censure, hating all those you disagree with.

267541 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #94 of 2327 🔗

Stopping the spread : cessation of respiration-death. It would save the Covidists a lot of bother wouldn’t it?

267117 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to karenovirus, 5, #95 of 2327 🔗

Is it desirable or even possible that we “defeat” covid in the same way that the original isolation hospitals defeated things like cholera, typhoid, smallpox, measles and Scarlett fever?
I know it’s a novel virus hence why it’s a pandemic, but if it was possible to run hospitals in this way then wouldn’t we have separate wards for flu and non-flu patients?
I believe that hospitals are doing all the they can to prevent the nosocomial spread, it’s just that they recognise that there’s limits to that in order to keep the hospital going for other patients too!
Nightingale hospitals are a different matter though…it seems they were originally intended to be ventilator death factories. A real shame that they have never been put to an alternative use.

267229 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #96 of 2327 🔗

Quite so, we won’t and don’t need to Defeat covid but hospitals should still be able to prevent cross infection as they learned to do in the past.
My mum went in for a hip replacement in her late 70s coming out 2 months later having been given Hospital Disease as a direct result of NHS practices.

267409 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #97 of 2327 🔗

…it seems they were originally intended to be ventilator death factories.

Or were they originally intended to be just a massive PR operation ?

268635 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to JohnB, 2, #98 of 2327 🔗

There is unlimited funding for props – but that doesn’t mean the mind capture is intended for entertainment.
Its all a PR operation of deceit under whatever fronts and is more deeply laid than people think.

267130 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 10, #99 of 2327 🔗

This doesn’t surprise me. A few years’ ago, I was buying some make up at a department store for an upcoming job interview. The make up artist who assisted me was a former nurse and we got chatting. When I asked her why she left, she replied that standards were slipping and the move to make nursing a degree subject, it wasn’t the same profession she trained for as she observed.

267254 ▶▶ PWL, replying to karenovirus, #100 of 2327 🔗

Hospitals still not protecting patients from the sasquatch either. Why oh why haven’t they learned the lessons of the past, damn them!

This is the problem, right here. This readership thinks “Covid” (no one ever uses the correct name, not many people know what they’re talking about) is infectious.

Covid-19 In A Nutshell

268687 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to PWL, -1, #101 of 2327 🔗

Thinking can be infectious.
The power of thought is recognised by those who leverage disproportionate wealth to control narratives by ‘post truth’ manipulations.

Awakened responsibility can recognise contradictory incongruence and weaponised provocation to emotionally reactive investment.
But once invested, the identity operates to protect its investment and does not readily withdraw such defence to honestly question its interpretation of reality.
More so when social pressures demonise and vilify critical awareness under moral crusade.

The protection of a core narrative for control over a century or more is a massive funding of invested identity and like the banks – deemed too big to fail question.

The anthropomorphising of microbiology is the projection of a psychopathy to ‘pathogen’ by which poisons, and toxic exposure – along with key deficiencies operate a progressive and sustained undermining of the body’s natural healing, regenerating and rebalancing.
The anti-biotic mindset is unaware of the communication and support that the microbiome is and does.

“It may shock you to know that all the world’s bacteria have access to a single gene pool, which has provided an immense resource for adaptation, manifesting an array of breathtaking combinations and re-combinations for three billion years! Any bacterium—at any time—has the ability to use accessory genes, provided by other strains, which permits it to function in ways its own DNA may not cover. The global trading of genes through DNA re-combinations provides for almost endless adaptation possibilities. Therefore, what has been done to one has been done to all.
Widespread use of antibacterial agents is both futile and disastrous. Future life sciences and medicine will comprehend the more effective use of agents to stimulate positive adaptation of bacteria resulting in chains of supportive symbiosis. In the presence of love, these positive adaptations naturally occur. In the presence of hatred and fear, negative and resistant strains of bacteria are more likely.
Life forms are ever changing, and yet the basic chemistry of life remains the same. Do not cling to forms that are passing, but seek for an understanding of life that embraces and includes all possibilities. This is accomplished through integrating and expanding patterns and relationships. In this way, you will see God as the creative power of life. When I asked that you love one another, I was not just giving you a recipe for human fellowship. This is the doorway to life eternal.” (The Keys of Jeshua – Glenda Green)

268392 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to karenovirus, 2, #102 of 2327 🔗

Project 2000 (degrees and abolition of SENs and auxiliaries) did for nursing.
Outsourcing did the rest. (20 yrs nursing.)

267046 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 26, #103 of 2327 🔗

Brief anecdote from ‘ The Progressive Collective of Saor Alba’:
a quick dash to local supermarket yesterday, later than my usual time.
Busy, but once again, mine was the only bare face to be seen.
The zombification of the locals is almost complete: they stare blankly at my open face, or shuffle past, eyes down.
This is so utterly depressing and dehumanising that I no longer bother to try and make eye contact, other than to greet and show my lanyard to the friendly security guards.
Even the pharmacists at our local chemist are less friendly than before and no longer smile, although they know me well.
Dystopia and anomie are now dominant.

267056 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 10, #104 of 2327 🔗

Sounds as if the Turdgeon has almost achieved her aim: a Scotland without human beings.
Are the remoter areas – the Highlands, islands, etc. – just as bad?

267070 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 7, #105 of 2327 🔗

I don’t know Annie; I suspect that the Shetlands and Orkneys are less enthused-as they want to secede from Sturgeon-land, but my area is confined to Tier 4,with no visible resistance.

It is unbelievably depressing.

267075 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 1, #106 of 2327 🔗

My in-laws used to live not too far from the Campsie Hills. Do you ever get out there? It was lovely for walking, and Turdgeon can’t blight the countryside, surely?

267161 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 2, #107 of 2327 🔗

I haven’t been there yet Annie, but the Sturgeon’s writ runs large here, so I guess many country areas are also under heavy manners.

However, Dumfries and Galloway has not voted for an SNP person to date, so there is some hope, and it is a largely rural area.

267181 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 2, #108 of 2327 🔗

We had a lovely holiday in D andG once. It’s wild and wonderful.
Have you read The Thirty-Nine Steps ? It has a wonderful evocation of that area.

267333 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 3, #109 of 2327 🔗

Another favourite of mine; I know we share a love of M R James’s wonderful stories as well.

I think we should share more book recommendations to help keep people’s spirits up.

267902 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to wendyk, 5, #110 of 2327 🔗

Yes , but leave the light on when you read .. ‘Oh Whistle and I’ll come to You’ and the film by Jonathon Miller is terrifying..Algernon Blackwoods supernatural tales are good. But the master at great humorous writing is PG Woodhouse, great escapism.. needed!

268119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #111 of 2327 🔗

I’ve got a treasured old book of Algernon Blackwood’s tales, and I love the Jonathan Miller film; a classic.

For helpless laughter, I recommend Don Martin’s cartoons for Mad magazine.

268962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #112 of 2327 🔗

The most horrific M R James story has to be ‘Count Magnus’ – definitely not one to be read alone on a dark and stormy night.
For a magnificent evocation of the Suffolk coast, try ‘A warning to the curious’. And for the Dorset (?) countryside, ‘A view from a hill’. The ghosts are just a bonus!

267086 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to wendyk, 11, #113 of 2327 🔗

Good Morning, Wendy. I had my usual check out of Shetland webcams a couple of weeks ago and was bitterly disappointed to see a couple of people scuttling across the Market Square wearing masks. This is the land of horizontal washing ie it is so windy! Masks being worn in those conditions? Really?! I was so sad at that because I thought, like you, they would have no truck with la Sturgeon’s diktats. Oh well….

267160 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 2, #114 of 2327 🔗

O what a disappointment! I’d hoped that good sense would prevail there.

267180 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to annie, 4, #115 of 2327 🔗

Turdgeon! You’ve made my day Annie, that’s what she will be known as to me from now on. Thanks 😂

267190 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #116 of 2327 🔗

Somebody else yesterday invented it!

267675 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #117 of 2327 🔗

I spotted it in the comments in one of the newspapers. Can’t remember which but it’s a definitely a keeper.

267467 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to annie, #118 of 2327 🔗

The Turdgeon


267193 ▶▶ steph, replying to wendyk, 1, #119 of 2327 🔗

You gave me a new word (to me) to look up. I love it when that happens.

267894 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steph, #120 of 2327 🔗

HRH Nicola Turdgeon.

267047 Allen, replying to Allen, 35, #121 of 2327 🔗

Press conference in Spain with the participation of hundreds of professionals from around the world, “Truth Doctors”, who denounced that Covid-19 is a false pandemic created for political purposes. They urged doctors, the media and political authorities to stop the operation, spread the truth. Data, figures, analysis and reflections were presented that show the incoherent and harmfulness of the measures that are being applied worldwide around Covid-19. https://youtu.be/McQ7v9kKLxk &nbsp ;

“This is a world dictatorship with a sanitary excuse,” was stressed at the end of the meeting. Doctors agreed that: 1. Coronavirus victims did not outnumber last year’s seasonal flu deaths. 2. Figures were exaggerated by altering medical protocols. 3. The confinement of the healthy and the forced use of masks have no scientific basis. 4. The disease known as Covid-19 does not have a single infectious pattern, but a combination of them. That the politicians stop the nonsense of the crown and spread the truth instead of false propaganda and that the doctors and the media tell the truth despite the orders of their superiors.

Basically the financial sector hit max and has blown, happened September 2019.

Covid19 was/is being used to cover this up. Corporations of the world and their owners have decided that consumerism has served its purpose, and that now the technology is in place to install an Orwellian structured world society. We are f…….d if we accept this.

Particularly it was in the repurchase agreement or Repo market. Much of the trillions in printed money that had to be repaid by the citizens was invested in this. If the Covid crisis never happened the world will face an economic collapse regardless. But unlike the Subprime Mortgage crisis, no common citizens can be blamed for taking loans and credit they couldn’t handle. This bubble is entirely fueled by those in the highest levels of government, finance,and banking.

None of what is happening around us has anything at all to do with a virus- that is the cover. Anyone who thinks this is asleep at the wheel.

Who’s Behind the Oxford Vaccine for COVID-19?

267049 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Allen, 4, #122 of 2327 🔗

We are f…….d if we accept this.

And… you really think these people set all this plan in motion if it all hinged on us accepting it or not? Nah, my friend. I think we’re way past that. Saying ‘no’ is not enough to stop this.

267057 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 18, #123 of 2327 🔗

Doing no is what’s needed.

267068 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to annie, 12, #124 of 2327 🔗

It starts with no

267108 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to 6097 Smith W, 6, #125 of 2327 🔗

.. and continues with doing.

267096 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Allen, 10, #126 of 2327 🔗

I still don’t know anyone who’s had the virus. I wonder if I’m dreaming all of this

267104 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Ben, 7, #127 of 2327 🔗

Me neither

267157 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Judy Watson, 13, #128 of 2327 🔗

my Sister had a loss of sense of taste and smell, felt a bit grotty. Took a PCR test, got a positive. She’s in her 50’s and suffers with asthma (mask exempt). But said, either this virus isn’t as bad as people make out, or I don’t have it!

SIL (64) works in a care home and has a test each week. Got a positive a few months back. Isolated few a few weeks. Now back working. Mild symptoms. Still can’t smell or taste, but recovering slowly.

I think that the above examples are true for 99% of the “cases” in the country.

267979 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Alan P, 6, #129 of 2327 🔗

Covid-19 was a test. They will ratchet it up next time around. We need to create a global movement to close down all Bio Labs. These people cannot be trusted.

267199 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ben, 19, #130 of 2327 🔗

It’s real but the overreaction is criminal. I have 2 relatives who caught it in a clinical setting and it was a very nasty flu like illness which took quite a while to recover from.
Interestingly neither of them infected the people they lived closely with. Would that be what we normal people call immunity?

267301 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Ben, 10, #131 of 2327 🔗

I do …my nan who is 93, she recovered in 2 days in and 3 days later she was back in the shops. So deadly!

267949 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Ben, 3, #132 of 2327 🔗

A couple of close friends postive tested this monday. She asked for the test (!) because she lost her sense of taste and smell. He’s had pretty much no symptoms at all. Despite government blaming hospitality, they didnt catch it in a pub as the pubs are shut, and were definitely negative 9 days before, when they were both tested as he needed an operation on an injured knee. Since he’s laid up with a pot on and she’s working from home, where do we think they acquired it?


268968 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mel, 1, #133 of 2327 🔗

He got it in hospital, for a cert.

267048 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 13, #134 of 2327 🔗

I would recommend The Delingpod, podcast with guest Patrick M Wood. (episode 130)

If a few non believers listen to this they may wake up thinking they are having a nightmare.

The all important link, this is on Apple:


267167 ▶▶ Disbelief, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #135 of 2327 🔗

The works of A C Sutton mentioned by Wood are also to be highly recommended for those trying to understand the bigger picture.

267990 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Disbelief, 1, #136 of 2327 🔗

Rules for Radicals. Highly recommended by Mark Windows. He suggests using these rules to counter the globablist agenda.

267641 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #137 of 2327 🔗

I almost crashed the car listening to this on my way to see my mum last night. She said I looked a bit shell shocked and stressed. She wasn’t wrong.

268103 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #138 of 2327 🔗

This is long and absolutely brilliant and puts into historical perspective the whole reset. Our PM almost certainly has been knobbled.

267054 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 29, #139 of 2327 🔗

I’ve been into Glasgow’s city centre probably 3 times in total since March. Before then I’d visit the west part of Sauchiehall Street, and the Pitt Street area, at least once a week as I’d drive to an erstwhile client’s premises.

This part of Sauchiehall Street, perhaps the busiest street in Glasgow (Glaswegians use the phrase “it’s like Sauchiehall Street in here!” to refer to something being busy), has a stretch of restaurants, clubs and bars that on a weekend are absolutely rammed. Visit this part of the street on a Saturday night and you’ll struggle to walk along the pavement, such is the strength of its nighttime economy.

During the day office workers would play avoid the student as they milled back and forth between their office blocks and the cafes and coffee shops.

I counted maybe 3 people walking the pavements. Almost every other business premises is boarded up or shuttered. Graffiti covering the laminate boards.

One part on the north side of the street has a 300 yard stretch which houses the Garage night club, Campus Bar and the O2 ABC, the latter being an art deco cinema repurposed as an iconic concert venue.

Now this stretch looks like 1970s Harlem.

The windows and entrance of the Campus Bar and the O2 ABC are completely boarded up. And, of course, the boardings are covered in graffiti.

As I drove along this part of Sauchiehall Street the other day, I slowed to a crawl as I took in the scene. I’ve called Glasgow my home for over 40 years. I remember this part of the city in the 1970s and the 80s, through times of economic deprivation. But it never looked like it does now.

However, one sight that jumped out at me was the incongruent NHS sticker, large and blue, displayed in the vestibule to what was once the entrance to the Garage night club.

Even when it has had to close its doors to paying customers for almost an entire year, with no end in sight, the owners have decided to display where their loyalties lie.

267061 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark H, 11, #140 of 2327 🔗

So Glasgow has been self-blitzing? No surprises there, considering that the whole of Scotland clearly has a death wish.
What you say reminds me of Daphne du Maurier’s description of a place during the Black Death which ‘suggest[ed] the abandonment of all hope, the aftertaste of atomic doom’. ( In The House of the Strand .)

268825 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, #141 of 2327 🔗

Not just Scotland.

267073 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Mark H, 12, #142 of 2327 🔗

Glasgow city centre is being systematically destroyed and this process was begun before covid.

One thinks back to the many suspicious fires in Sauchiehall street over the last 5 years or so.

The world famous Rennie Mackintosh designed Art school has been torched twice for goodness sake.

267081 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Smith, 7, #143 of 2327 🔗

I don’t suppose sturgeon has any great liking for central Glasgow nightlife.

267095 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 5, #144 of 2327 🔗

Or life in general!

As a resident of Scotland for the past 2.5 years I’ve had many a good night in Glasgow and seen some great bands at the garage, king Tut’s, barrowlands and st Luke’s.

267151 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Mark H, 3, #145 of 2327 🔗

So why the “Thank you St Nicola for keeping us safe”? Is it the hated English money keeping things going?

267246 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to arfurmo, 2, #146 of 2327 🔗

Because she has that folksy way at the lectern. It’s the only explanation. It seems only George Galloway is prepared to take her on from what we used to call “the left”

267252 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kf99, 4, #147 of 2327 🔗

Galloway is a fully indoctrinated covid cultist. Such a shame, the guy has zero credibility any more. Just another fool.

267059 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 10, #148 of 2327 🔗

2020 has not been a particularly bad year for deaths, even including COVID .

When you adjust for an increasing and ageing population, 2020 has the third highest death rate of the last 8 years, doesn’t even make the top quartile, including all the actual COVID and supposed COVID deaths.

Year Deaths to week 46 Population over 70 Adjusted deaths ‘Excess’ deaths
2013 447,560 6,387,380 540,435 -10,507
2014 437,965 6,562,247 514,756 15,172
2015 471,878 6,694,487 543,664 -13,736
2016 462,180 6,850,786 520,338 9,590
2017 468,964 7,139,865 506,599 23,329
2018 480,256 7,356,660 503,319 26,409
2019 463,931 7,556,978 473,500 56,428
2020 529,928 7,712,846 529,928 0

AVERAGE 470,334 7,032,650 516,962 13,336

The adjusted death rate is simply the deaths to week 46 adjusted for the population over 70 in 2020 compared to the year in question (around 80% of deaths are over 70). 2013 and 2015 had a higher death rate. All figures from the ONS and relate to England and Wales (deaths) and England (population).

267079 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Laurence, 15, #149 of 2327 🔗

This virus hoo-haa has shown up our societies blinkered unrealistic view of death. Currently 84% of Covid deaths are people aged over 70. It is not heartless or callous to regard the death of people over 70 differently than deaths under 70, it is realistic. At the moment we have frail eldely people dying in winter time of a respiratory disease……….. situation normal much as every year since records began. Yet we continue in panic and hysteria and there is, as noted in todays newsletter, no organised concerted opposition. All the politicians, even the so-called rebels, seem bewitched by the panic stricken, covid fearing public. And the answer to all this? unfortunately I have no idea?

267121 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #150 of 2327 🔗

Ah but every death is a “tragedy”! Says the 2nd biggest arms dealer in the world our beloved Gov, makes me sick.

267176 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #151 of 2327 🔗

Lives that don’t have votes don’t matter.

267997 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #152 of 2327 🔗

Billions wasted.

267226 ▶▶ Will, replying to Laurence, #153 of 2327 🔗

Thank you Laurence. Information copied for another day.

267367 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Laurence, 2, #154 of 2327 🔗


If 529,928 7,712,846 529,928 people have died this year no wonder my posts don’t get many upvotes these days.

267060 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 68, #155 of 2327 🔗

All this endless crap about tiers, open-ended pseudo-lockdowns, vaccines is secondary to the primary, and almost unbelievably grim problem.

The lie told at the beginning of this year can never be retracted. Genies and bottles. It plays into all the weaknesses of the human mind – in particular, the fear of death. And the result will be (is already) a pathological change in society. When society is founded on a madness, the outcome is certain. That society will destroy itself.

267067 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #156 of 2327 🔗

Agreed, all the tier nonsense is just to distract us with who can do what with whom and where and when they have to stop doing it

268678 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 5, #157 of 2327 🔗

It’s also a very effective form of divide and rule. Complaining about tiers is like asking a thug to kick you in the goolies just a little bit less hard.

269374 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Rowan, #158 of 2327 🔗

I quite agree with you. Why weren’t you this sensible when you were Archbishop of Canterbury? (Sorry, I’m taking refuge in flippancy.)

267063 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 5, #159 of 2327 🔗

2020 has not been a particularly bad year for deaths, even including COVID .

hopefully numbers are a bit clearer now

2013 447,560 6,387,380 540,435 -10,507
2014 437,965 6,562,247 514,756 15,172
2015 471,878 6,694,487 543,664 -13,736
2016 462,180 6,850,786 520,338 9,590
2017 468,964 7,139,865 506,599 23,329
2018 480,256 7,356,660 503,319 26,409
2019 463,931 7,556,978 473,500 56,428
2020 529,928 7,712,846 529,928 0
AVERAGE 470,334 7,032,650 516,962 13,336

267183 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Laurence, #160 of 2327 🔗

Dear Laurence, are these deaths to date ie until Nov or deaths in the year?

267412 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Niborxof, #161 of 2327 🔗

all are deaths to week 46 of the year shown

267307 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Laurence, 4, #162 of 2327 🔗

Charted it up for you laurence

267410 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Aslangeo, #163 of 2327 🔗

That’s great thanks, for future reference, how do you attach a chart or table to a post ?

267069 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 37, #164 of 2327 🔗

Local roundup.

1.Tesco Metro was closed for a few days for refurbishment. It now has no sanitizer station or footprints and arrows on the floor but has enhanced plastic screens around the manned and unmanned tills.
I said to the cashier that the place looks different every day. She replied

“Yes, we are trying to get back to normal now”.

2. Annual Flu Vaccine, after 6 text reminders and one unanswered phone call, yesterday I recieved my first ever letter from my GP Surgery, presumably doing the same. It remains unopened.

3. The teens at my local College remain devoid of facemasks on the street and continue to utterly ignore social distancing when crowding public spaces before, in between and after classes.
A single complaint about this finally arrived on Local Live online from a student who declares
‘ I don’t go out in the evening because I’ve been exposed enough just by going to College’

Johnny No Mates I expect. Happily The College mounted a robust defence of its current practices.

267093 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to karenovirus, 21, #165 of 2327 🔗

I received a text from my gp surgery in October asking me to make an appointment for a flu jab – I was given the option to respond with ‘Decline’ which I took. On Saturday I received a letter urging me to make an appointment for a flu jab. The rest of the letter was devoted to telling me how, if only I’d download an app, they wouldn’t have to waste money sending out letters. If only they paid attention to their text responses, they could have saved themselves even more, I thought. Also, did I realise how much it cost them if I didn’t keep my appointment? That would be the appointment I hadn’t made and wasn’t going to make, then. I’m wondering when the next lot of nhs nonsense will be plopping onto my doormat.

267098 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 5, #166 of 2327 🔗

Interesting bit on UK column yesterday about these letters being issued. Was it signed by an actual person, if so might be worth googling their name to see what it throws up (quite literally).

267253 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to stefarm, 2, #167 of 2327 🔗

I don’t believe it was a ‘proper’ signature but I didn’t pay that much attention, to be honest. It’s now been recycled.

267105 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 11, #168 of 2327 🔗

The bit about each missed appointment costing the NHS £160.00 ! is on the front of the envelope. Their own records will show that I have never taken up their offer of a flu vaccine and have said No thanks verbally at least twice.

267225 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 8, #169 of 2327 🔗

Each missed cancer diagnosis costs someone their life.

267263 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to karenovirus, 7, #170 of 2327 🔗

The nhs is inept and poorly organised, to put it mildly. What ticked me off most about the text and letter was their ability/willingness to contact me when it involved the flu jab for which they will be paid, but in the early part of house arrest 1 I tried to contact them re. repeat prescriptions (bp tablets) but was completely unable to. Funny that. Our local chemist was a star and was happy to fulfill the prescription anyway.

267312 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to karenovirus, 14, #171 of 2327 🔗

Ah yes. The old NHS missed appointment costs fallacy. My GP surgery has a notice up about weekly/monthly missed appointments and it riles me every time I see it.

From my experience it’s very much a one way street as far as the NHS is concerned. Turn up one minute late to an appointment at my GP surgery and you will find your appointment cancelled off the system despite the fact that you know they are/will be running “late”. This can be contrasted with having turned up on time and then actually being seen an hour later than your booked appointment time.

Somehow the NHS expect me to bear the cost of that for missed billable time to a client.

267733 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #172 of 2327 🔗

Some years ago Mrs Doubting was referred to an independently run (Virgin Health?) unit near to The QMC in Nottingham, her appointment was at a weird time something like 09:23, she turned up in plenty of time, 23 minutes past arrived a nurse took Mrs Doubting for the tests to be carried out and by 10:00 she was out of the building and on a tram back into the city centre.

Move to more recent times and Mrs Doubting had to go back to the same unit, now back being run under direct NHS control. Shambles waiting around more staff stood around in the unit for a couple of hours etc.

When a private company has its name on the door why can things be so different?

268187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #173 of 2327 🔗

I have observed the same. Private appointments with physio and osteopath all run to time. I wonder whether it has something to do with the implicit contract that you have with them and the fact that money is exchanged for services immediately that sharpens the mind to the business at hand?

268891 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #174 of 2327 🔗

Private = accountable.

268681 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #175 of 2327 🔗

Not that I feel like defending the NHS these days, but I will say that my experience with private sector medicine in the US had the same pointless, long waits as you get here. The difference is after you’ve waited for an hour past your appointment time, you still have to pay the bill when you leave. At least here there’s no payment at the point of service.

267164 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 11, #176 of 2327 🔗

I agree with most of the views on here but I guess like some others there are a few things said that I feel uncomfortable with. Deliberately removing covid posters for instance where although the intention is well meant it verges on petty theft. The other is the opposition to the annual flu jab. Unlike the new Covid jabs which have been largely untested and an uncertain effectiveness, the normal flu jab programme has been running for many years, has very few side effects, and at least some effectiveness. I have had that jab myself for quite some years and had no qualms at booking an appointment for it this year – even though having it in the surgery car park showed the stupidness of the NHS approach. Others clearly have different views but be that so. As for the Covid one I will probably decline when and if I am offered it and say I will reconsider in six months when a little more is known and maybe (or maybe not) the paranoia has abated a bit.

Please don’t down vote this post, all views are welcome on this excellent forum.

267175 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to davews, 18, #177 of 2327 🔗

I think many objections are about the way flu vaccines are suddenly being pushed so hard. I had one this year and have for about 15 years since I was very poorly with flu complications. That’s my choice and others should be free to make theirs. I am I uneasy, to put it mildly, about the trend towards undermining choice and sovereignty over one’s own body and I think the flu campaign feeds into that for me.

267220 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to davews, 7, #178 of 2327 🔗

My husband has the flu jab every year and I have had it in recent years and paid for my son to have it also.
However, why do we need the flu jab this year? My husband is virtually a prisoner in his work from home office. Son and I go out occasionally but all socialising is verboten.
All jabs carry a risk, even the well tested ones. The flu vaccine has to change every year and some years the side effects are worse than others and some years it completely misses the mark and is ineffective. So it’s a health cost benefit analysis that we should all be able to make for ourselves. I’m certainly not taking it so the pushy GP can get a tick in a box and a payment for it.

268620 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to steph, 2, #179 of 2327 🔗

“…so the pushy GP can get a tick in a box and a payment for it.”

Exactly so. And that’s all they care about. They can go fuck themselves. I am not going to suffer the side-effects and illness (even if it’s temporary) just to put more money in their till, and to increase the drug company’s profits which the UK pays for. The laughably-named “flu jab” is not free.

267244 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to davews, 6, #180 of 2327 🔗

Taking the annual flu jab is a personal choice, as should be the Covid vaccine.
I don’t take it because despite being supposedly vulnerable I have never had flu and I put that down to the large number of people I am in contact with due to my occupation.
When I retire I might change my mind especially now the government have destroyed any chances of social interaction.

267272 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to davews, 4, #181 of 2327 🔗

Dave, I agree with you re. differing views. Personally, I’ve had my flu jab for the last few years but decided against it this year because I had a nasty autoimmune reaction after a jab. I felt a little reluctant about the jab once I found out surgeries are paid for everyone who takes it. Don’t ask me why, it just didn’t sit well with me. But I agree with karenovirus that it should be personal choice.
As to the C19 jab, well, if the government hadn’t indemnified drug companies against any possible legal action resulting from side effects, I might have considered having it. I think they shot themselves in the foot with that decision as it will put a lot of people off.

267918 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 3, #182 of 2327 🔗

I thought Flu had disappeared this year? It’s all ‘ The Covid’ innit?

267437 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to davews, 6, #183 of 2327 🔗

Petty theft my arse. Was the ww2 resistance in France blowing up bridges criminal damage ?

268166 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to davews, 1, #184 of 2327 🔗

I feel much the same.

268686 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to davews, 1, #185 of 2327 🔗

I used to get the flu jab regularly when I lived in the US. I also used to get sick far more often than I do now. I don’t remember when I stopped getting the jab – probably when I came to live in the UK permanently around 1999, but I still just do not get sick. Every so often I feel a bit off, have a cup of lemon ginger tea. I take a nap if that doesn’t help. When I wake up, I feel fine. So based on more than a decade’s experience, I don’t need the flu jab and I wish they’d stop asking me to have it. But I also have taken Vitamin D every winter for donkeys years which may or may not have something to do with it.

268895 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, 1, #186 of 2327 🔗

Deliberately removing covid posters for instance where although the intention is well meant it verges on petty theft.

What about the deliberate theft of our democratic rights and freedoms?

268979 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to davews, 1, #187 of 2327 🔗

I’m nit voting you down, but I am disagreeing. Ugly, fear-mongering Covid notices pollute my town and countryside and I shall go on removing them whenever and wherever I can.
Other people often remove my anti-Covidian stickers. Should I accuse them of petty theft?

269007 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 1, #188 of 2327 🔗

Its not petty theft it is removing the outward expression of a tyrannical society. Who gives a shit about theft in that context? I remove everything I possibly can and dump it in the bin where everyone can see it. Mind you I would prefer to ram it up Johnson’s backside sharp end first.

268671 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to karenovirus, 1, #189 of 2327 🔗

I got three of those flu jab letters, the latest one yesterday. It went straight into the compost bin, so no way to see the signature now. I changed my mobile number on my GPs website, so if they’ve texted me again, it went into the bit bucket. I have to admit that I want nothing whatsoever to do with the NHS ever again.

267071 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 20, #190 of 2327 🔗

My initial reaction to Carl Heneghan talking about hospital transmission of Covid is to be sceptical. What is the evidence for these ‘cases’? Are they based on the same PCR test that he rubbishes elsewhere? And the resulting ‘Covid deaths’? Are they as reliable as the PHE’s ‘Covid deaths’ he exposed earlier this year?

For me, the stats are rotten, through and through, whether they make the government look good or bad. Where the stats show a hospital acquired ‘Covid’ ‘case’, I see a most-likely asymptomless positive PCR test result, and for every ‘Covid death’ in hospital I see an elderly person with co-morbidities who was probably going to die of something anyway. If it looks like they had a respiratory infection, it was probably some sort of influenza.

Heneghan shouldn’t ‘play their game’.

267092 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Barney McGrew, 17, #191 of 2327 🔗

Ditto and I was just going to post a similar message.

What really is going on in the NHS? I and the vast majority of people on this site are pretty confident the PCR test is virtually useless so what are these people dying of, MRSA infection, neglect, pneumonia, are the hospitals filthy cluttered up with empty pizza boxes, bad hygiene, no ventilation?

It’s true that people can’t die of old age anymore, but why? What is the real agenda (apart from reset, agenda 30 etc etc).

267129 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #192 of 2327 🔗

I’m glad you said this better than I! I’m a bit surprised at CH’s comments. It’s hard to be skeptical until you question everything from the start. The testing, the cases, the asymptomatic transmission, the masks, the deaths. Once you get sucked into accepting all that it’s hard to win the debate.

267189 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #193 of 2327 🔗

This is what is happening in Leicester according to the local paper:


What really, really gets me is that the hospital doesn’t seem to be reporting these cases through the notifiable disease process, which is where they should be reported.

I have just submitted the following FOI request:
Please could you provide the following information:
Since 1st January 2020 until 26th November 2020 how many notifications under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 and the Health Protection (Notification) Regulations 2010 have been submitted by UHL medical staff?

267074 Richard, replying to Richard, 10, #194 of 2327 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-live-pennsylvania-legislature-giuliani-hold-public-hearing-2020-election .

Unlikely the MSM will be covering this ! In one clip the court actually bursts out laughing at the ridiculousness of the vote rigging for Biden. There is a separate good point made – after this hearing Biden now has to prove the cheating didn’t take place – the burden of proof has shifted. There is still a long way to go but Trump can still win this

267084 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Richard, 2, #195 of 2327 🔗

I am tempted to agree with ‘WhatsHerFace’ (as linked to in yesterday’s LS news) where, in the moments when she finds herself going full ‘conspiracy’, she suspects that the aim is for Trump to win in order to provoke the nice, gentle, progressive leftists into burning down America. All the easier to then justify and implement a ‘reset’…

267078 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 24, #196 of 2327 🔗

Chatting to the cashier in M&S yesterday, she was clearly fed up of the lockdown. Aha, I thought, chance for a conversion to scepticism.

Sadly no, her elderly parents live in the North East and she wasn’t planning to visit them this Christmas in case it put them at risk. She would wait until next year once the vaccine had been brought in.

i hadn’t the heart to tell her that at 85, her father might not be here next year as, who knows, might not any of us. Better strike while the iron’s hot.

267082 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 19, #197 of 2327 🔗

Yes, have all the elderly people, and their relatives, who have resolved to spend a miserable solitary Christmas paused to consider that it might be an idea to live a little while they still can?

They must be thinking like Cottard in La Peste , who was convinced that you could only suffer from one affliction at a time. I.e. if you are at risk from Covid, you are safe from death from anything else.

267123 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Margaret, 21, #198 of 2327 🔗

It reminds me of a cartoon I saw once, 2 miserable bored old men sitting in a care home, one says to the other ‘ good job we gave up the booze, the cigarettes, the fast cars and the wild times or we would have missed all this’!

267127 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #199 of 2327 🔗

Two men sitting at a bar, one says to the other, The problem with living a longer life is that all the extra years come at the end.

267154 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to bluemoon, 10, #200 of 2327 🔗

Not living longer, just dying longer

267527 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Margaret, 6, #201 of 2327 🔗

I was planning to drive down to my very elderly parents’ town, stay in an hotel, and take them out for lunch in a restaurant. They are too old to cope with visitors or cooking large meals and I find their bathroom habits (door never closed, and the neurotic cleaner hasn’t been since March) and the constant television hard to cope with. This solution works all round and, in normal years, enables me to spend time with friends without being debriefed like a teenager on which unsuitable boys were there!
This year, staying somewhere else and having lunch in a restaurant would have been infinitely more hygienic and pleasant than squeezing into their rather foetid, overheated house. But, it will not be ‘allowed’. Add to that the carnage on the roads, filled with unserviced cars and people who haven’t driven any distance for months and have knackered their eyes staring at screens for most of that time, and I shall be staying at home with the cat!!

268702 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Margaret, 1, #202 of 2327 🔗

I think some older people still struggle to accept their own mortality. I say that as someone in their 60s. But I’ve had to deal with death on several occasions, having had cancer as well as an attempt on my life years ago. It can be hard to look at death head on, so I can’t blame people if they tell themselves they’ll do something next year instead. While I enjoy plans and ideas for the future, I’m very aware that I could be dead tomorrow.

268980 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #203 of 2327 🔗

So could any of us, from the day-old baby to the centenarian.
To stop living because one day you will most certainly die is the grossest folly one can possibly commit.

268990 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #204 of 2327 🔗

Stoic philosophy and Nio Zen made me face the prospect of death often, meditate upon it, think of every aspect of it. It would be common today to think this unhealthy or morbid, but it is honestly realistic. Besides, not only does facing it head on relieve the anxiety of death, it makes you more appreciative of not yet being dead. It is actually a very healthy practice, grounded in reason.

“Death can not be evil, or Socrates would have thought it so” – Lucius Annaeus Seneca.

“To fear death, gentlemen, is no other than to think oneself wise when one is not, to think one knows what one does not know. No one knows whether death may not be the greatest of all blessings for a man, yet men fear it as if they knew that it is the greatest of evils.” – Socrates (Apology, Plato)

267088 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 14, #205 of 2327 🔗

These three chaps were stuck in Italy for 61 days and could not get a negative PCR test. They kept testing positive for all 61 days. Only a change in Italian law allowed them to come home. Clear evidence PCR tests and cases are false. If they were in the UK and being tested weekly, they would have enabled reporting of 24 new so called cases or infections over the same time period, according to current methodology. I think I got that right.


267094 ▶▶ Ben, replying to theanalyst, 16, #206 of 2327 🔗

Sue Cook’s pinned tweet hits the nail on the head. If the PCR test had never been invented we’d be living our normal lives by now


267248 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ben, 3, #207 of 2327 🔗

Sadly PCR is a wonderful scientific invention high jacked to be used in a manner it never was intended. I think PCR will always be unfairly tainted once this is over.

267447 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ben, 7, #208 of 2327 🔗

As Dr Mike Yeadon has repeatedly said: If we stopped testing, masks and social distancing with immediate effect we could all be back to normal immediately with no adverse effects. (I would add to that the need for mainstream media to cease with their disingenuous scaremongering.)

267132 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to theanalyst, 3, #209 of 2327 🔗

Yes this was disgusting. But I thought they were girls so maybe there was more than one incident of this? Pre-covid this would’ve been a gross violation of some kind of international law and the foreign secretary would’ve been straight to the embassy to demand the release of the political hostages. Now it’s like oh well nevermind.

267152 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #210 of 2327 🔗

There were 3 girls stuck in Sicily who kept getting positive tests in the summer I think.

268614 ▶▶ Bella, replying to theanalyst, 2, #211 of 2327 🔗

One of the lads in the article said: ‘ I don’t even have the words to explain how it feels just to know that we can go home, do normal things, see our family, see our friends and have a normal life again rather than being stuck here.’ Normal, normal, normal. Sure he’s been in Italy and not planet Zog? Little do they

267089 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 90, #212 of 2327 🔗

Just never ending. I haven’t listened to conspiracy theories about phone masts and 5g or any other stuff up until now. I just put our response down to a wet, useless, weak, social media led bunch of halfwit MPs.
But….. what is going on?
When professors and highly qualified people’s views are quashed, YouTube and Facebook are taking down any posts that dispute the need for these crazy actions, there has to be more to this than just gross stupidity in government?
I am in Cornwall, been on this site since day one pretty much. We haven’t had a wave yet! I do not believe we are alone, I do believe many other parts of the country have cases on a par with flu or just a winter virus. Why are we ruining the country?
I am lucky and still working but my firm has made people redundant. They would all be still working if it wasn’t for this farce.
How are employers supposed to run a business with every government message saying to work from home? How do you effectively run sales teams when you never see them!!!??? It’s just a joke.
Now before we even get to the new tier lockdown we are already seeing stories of tiers until the middle of next year!
It’s madness. People tested when perfectly healthy and then put as cases, people over 80 dying but it’s covid not anything underlying. My father is poorly with heart issues and cancer, 82, if he dies he is likely to be yet another covid stat but it is the underlying issues that are the cause.
The great reset? Well, never looked at it until now, but something is happening even the buffoon and his hapless cronies cannot be this useless.

267091 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John Ballard, 32, #213 of 2327 🔗

You said it perfectly. I’m thinking the same. I’m sorry about your father

If politicians care about our country and freedom then they must start working to free us from the tyranny of lockdowns so that we can return to the old normal

268360 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Ben, 7, #214 of 2327 🔗

Absolutely! What you describe as the ‘old normal’ is the way humans are supposed to be. We are supposed to be with each other.
We have never endured ‘virtual’ contact for so long.

267135 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John Ballard, 29, #215 of 2327 🔗

Well said. We’re in the process of doing compulsory redundancies too and hardly anyone bar me and a few other people are awake to the fact that there will be no reudndancies voluntary or compulsory if it wasn’t for lockdown and restrictions. What part of that do people not understand?

Very sorry to hear about your dad.

267137 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to John Ballard, 11, #216 of 2327 🔗

This edition of newsletter has made me finally start to see a bigger picture of this supposed Great Reset. China are orchestrating the entire thing. I’m not saying they made it in a lab (although I think they may have had it in from bats and then leaked it), but they’re definitely pulling strings and not just trolling us.

267329 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 14, #217 of 2327 🔗

One thing that has not been explained is the very dubious videos from China of people just dropping dead in the streets. Unless China had a very different version of the virus, people with Covid don’t go from being well enough to be out and about one moment, to dropping dead the next. Who faked those videos and why?

268011 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #218 of 2327 🔗

They got it from Dr. Fauci.

267294 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Ballard, 11, #219 of 2327 🔗

Likewise I went on a journey from being worried about a medieval pestilence to being concerned about government over caution then wondering why lockdown was going on forever, bankrupting companies, individuals and nearly the State itself.

Some sort of politicing was clearly the only answer.

268350 ▶▶ James007, replying to John Ballard, 3, #220 of 2327 🔗

Sorry about your father. I hope you will be able to see him and not be impeded by all this.
I am also lucky. I am working, started a new job three weeks ago. I am underperforming and a bit depressed. I dont seem to have adjusted well to working in isolation, having not physically met any colleagues. Others seem to be managing it fine.
I have managed to get permission to work from the office, but it is empty.
It was a huge blow to see the tiers announced, and to think we will have to endure this even longer.

268560 ▶▶ Wayne Keogh, replying to John Ballard, 6, #221 of 2327 🔗

Maybe its time to start taking the so called conspiracy theorists seriously (a term created by the elites to ridicule anyone with an alternate view), there’s no smoke without fire, global freedom is teetering on the edge of a very high cliff.

268672 ▶▶ Hopeful, replying to John Ballard, 5, #222 of 2327 🔗

Best wishes to your Dad.

As to what’s really going on. I remember posting stuff here months ago about there being a bigger picture we all need to look at. No matter that I got dismissed, that was then and this is now. It’s great that increasing numbers of people are realising it’s not incompetence and self-interest driving this thing. Not so great is the anger and frustration when it comes to determining the actions we can take to stop what is now a massive crime against humanity.
Saw a post earlier about the various groups and individuals all battling to end the farce and, therefore, all the wrongs and evils emanating from it. The post highlighted the lack of a singular focus and identity. This lack rendering the respective efforts powerless and ineffective against the government/globalist narrative.
Made me think that what we the opposition have now is all of the components of the fantastic human body. We have all the organs, the nervous system and all the other systems. We have the bones. We are, however, lacking the vital structure that holds, connects and supports everything. We don’t have a spine giving shape, structure and strength to the body as a whole.
Unity and collaboration have been advocated before by better people than me. Humbly I only wish to add my voice to that plea. We have to form a force they cannot ignore.

Stop the steal of our lives and livelihoods.

269378 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Hopeful, #223 of 2327 🔗

we need an S.O.E. we need a churchill, and best wishes too to your dad

267090 Ben, replying to Ben, 77, #224 of 2327 🔗

Lockdowns are worse than the ‘virus’

If lockdown isn’t going to end until summer 2021 then we know it’s not about a virus, but it’s about something else. I’m very scared

The destruction of the economy and every economy around the world is either a coincidence or deliberately planned. Is it the Great Reset? Who is the Great Reset for?

Do politicians think it’s OK to destroy millions of innocent people’s lives? To treat them like prisoners when they’ve committed no crime?

This is so wrong. The UK is not free

267100 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ben, 62, #225 of 2327 🔗

To me, it seems that if Boris Johnson had found himself in the position of being PM at the moment when a killer pandemic struck, given the choice to either struggle through or to impose economy-destroying measures, and he took the latter course, then he should be a near-broken man. All his political dreams have come to nothing; he has presided over the destruction of real people’s lives; he has had to cause people’s deaths; he has had to assume the role of authoritarian big-state politician he always despised. He, personally, has had to ruin the country. He should be leaping upon every bit of good news about the virus from respected scientists and praising it to the skies to give himself a reason to get the country back to normal.

But what do we find? He is cheerful as he maintains the lockdowns. He makes little quips and jokes and plays on words. He uses other people’s stupid slogans (‘Build back better’) knowing that this sets alarm bells ringing in people’s minds. He drops Green New Deal-style policies into his twitter feed. And he gets his goons to rubbish the Great Barrington Declaration even though everyone knows that Hancock is a scientifically-illiterate arse.

Everything is wrong about this picture.

267283 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #226 of 2327 🔗

Boris must comply or it’s no bank “loans” credits for UK PLC. He is also a narcissistic liar who will say and do anything to keep his black mailers at bay as he has more skeletons in his cupboard than a guy who runs a ghost train.

His cabinet are Fascists. Corrupt to the core. The Tories, the global fascist dictatorship has been built-up over the last 20 years is now in operation in the UK.

The age of global fascist totalitarianism is now.

Boris is just a tool. They will use him until he wears out and is useless then they will throw him into the pig iron bin to be melted down for scrap.

268747 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Two-Six, 5, #227 of 2327 🔗

This is what happened to Belarus. Their president was told, in no uncertain terms, to “lock down or it’s no loans”. He didn’t need much, so he went to Putin and asked for the same amount, which he got.

He then turned round to The Cabal and told them to GFT, and then turned to his people and advised them (with all his vast medical knowledge and skills in biology and chemistry) “Drink more vodka!”

It worked better than the shit that came out of Whitty’s mouth.

267344 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #228 of 2327 🔗

Boris is just a brainless puppet. Find out who is pulling the strings and you might have an inkling of why this is happening.
BTW Don’t tell me it is Bill Gates, that is bigger bollox than coranavirus itself.

267360 ▶▶▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Old Bill, 3, #229 of 2327 🔗

Soros and the WEF i.e. the 3% elite, aka the NWO.

267441 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to flyingjohn, 6, #230 of 2327 🔗

0.03% more like. No way they make up 3% of the population.

268249 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #231 of 2327 🔗

The Technocrats.

267115 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 19, #233 of 2327 🔗

Sheeples want lockdowns.
Sheeples are the majority.
Politicians get elected if they please the majority.
That’s totalitarian democracy for you.

267966 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to annie, 2, #234 of 2327 🔗

so true , exactly what i think. thank goodness for sanity here thank you annie all your greatcommnents ,

268749 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, 1, #235 of 2327 🔗

The tyranny of the majority. I won’t bore you with the details, but this has affected me all my adult life, so I understand completely.

269080 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 1, #236 of 2327 🔗

I always wondered what the ‘tyranny of the majority’ meant…now I know!

267230 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Ben, 7, #237 of 2327 🔗

Who is the Great Reset for? The elite, the 3%, the Davos crowd, the NWO. It is NOT for us pleb citizens.

267442 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #238 of 2327 🔗

Where the ff does your 3% come from, fj ?

269238 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to flyingjohn, #239 of 2327 🔗

It is for us, we are the ones who they want to reset. Vaccines are their Great Reset not so secret weapon.

267598 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 12, #240 of 2327 🔗

Anyone who now believes this ends in summer 2021 after the non-stop lies and propaganda we’ve been subject to is naive in the extreme.

267099 Nottingham69, 3, #241 of 2327 🔗

Nothing from Potato Head Sunak on cutting Public Sector waste, in his interview rounds today I predict.

267101 Ben, replying to Ben, 51, #242 of 2327 🔗
267107 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ben, 6, #243 of 2327 🔗

Just unfortunate that such obvious good sense is not being spoken by opposition politicians, but is relegated to cardboard placards like the one waved for years in Oxford Street by Stanley Green, the “less lust from less protein” man. We need organization and direct action.

267103 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 21, #244 of 2327 🔗

The Bank of England’s balance sheet has expanded from £425bn to £875bn since March. It has created money to the tune of £450bn. It has more than doubled its balance sheet.

What the hell is the point of going to work? Why bother to cut foreign aid? HS2? Why not HSs 3 to 27?

The economy is losing all meaning. Governments pressed the Cheat button in 2008 and now they’re addicted to it. Nothing is real any more.

267112 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #245 of 2327 🔗

Or they know that money will cease to have any meaning in a few months’ time…

267131 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #246 of 2327 🔗

We have added more debt than in the 2008 Financial Crisis. This was always about saving sovereign debt markets i.e. government debt. As has been discussed here before, the 2019 Repo crashes, followed by the 1 trillion injection over the New Year by the Fed had put a lot of institutions on notice.

The difference is that a lot of smaller business owners learned from the last crisis. A lot of bigger businesses didn’t. I suspect a financial crash would leave many smaller businesses intact or at least surviving for longer.

And that’s the last thing anyone in financial power wants.

267106 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #247 of 2327 🔗

Like the open letter from UK Medical Freedom Alliance to the MHRA in the links to today’s update. One quote I liked was from the spokesperson from Astra Zeneca

“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in … four years the vaccine is showing side effects”

But they are quite happy for the public taking that vaccine to take that long term risk for little if any gain and presumably not to be warned of that risk because it’s anti-vax?

267110 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #248 of 2327 🔗

Probably too late now – Ferguson is spelled with a double ‘s’ near the start of the letter.
This will be picked on by people challenging it’s credibility

267111 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to SilentP, 5, #249 of 2327 🔗

Perhaps Pantsdown predicted the spelling of his own name incorrectly and exaggerated the number of s’s by 100%.

267113 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to annie, 5, #250 of 2327 🔗

Would it not need to be need to be Fergusssssssssssson based on his Swedish prediction?

267118 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 2, #251 of 2327 🔗

My credibility – it was my spell checker that changed its to it’s!

267114 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #252 of 2327 🔗

Liverpool, it was all down to the mass testing?
Joe Ashton, Mayor of Liverpool on R4 this morning claiming the reduction in Liverpool was down to Tier 3 & mass testing.
Take a look at the chart….. I don’t think so!

267139 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 6, #253 of 2327 🔗

I’ve never seen anyone who goes on about testing explain how it affects the spread of the virus

267149 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 1, #254 of 2327 🔗

Presumably anyone testing positive then hides in their house thus prohibiting any spread.

267184 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Julian, 3, #255 of 2327 🔗

You’re right it’s nonsense. At any point in the summer we had 10,000s of people kicking about with the virus, pubs open, beaches open, shops open. The things that kick it off are clearly seasonal factors not behavioural factors.
The Government can control behaviour but that doesn’t control the virus spread.

267211 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to NickR, 2, #256 of 2327 🔗

They really would go on TV and say “Cases came down after tier 3 was introduced, and came down further still when LD2 was brought in. The graph shows this, our plan is working.”
The saddest thing is that the plebs would swallow that whole.

267293 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #257 of 2327 🔗
267259 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Julian, 2, #258 of 2327 🔗

Simple: it is how you fatten turkeys for Christmas – by weighing them.

267116 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 12, #259 of 2327 🔗

Would it not have been equitable for Sunak to announce a 20% public sector pay cut for a period of 12 months?

After all, we’re all in this together right?

267124 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PompeyJunglist, 6, #260 of 2327 🔗

You would have thought but its all a lie. As many of us have pointed out, many of the public sector workers and those who live in posh parts of cities and the shires are living it up during lockdown.

Hence why they don’t want lockdown to end why they don’t like Sunak’s announcement, they don’t want the gravy train to end.

267165 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #261 of 2327 🔗

The problem is what constitutes a public sector worker?
Technically I am not as I am employed by a CIC, but we are working for the NHS and I pay into the NHS pension but I am not on agenda for change and my salary is set by my employer.
My daughter works for the civil service and so is a public sector worker.

267191 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to p02099003, 1, #262 of 2327 🔗

Agree it is a problem.

However the MPs, senior civil servants and those in local government should start the ball rolling – give themselves a massive pay cut and for the MPs a ban on claiming expenses and foregoing their pensions when they leave.

267299 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #263 of 2327 🔗

I have challenged my MP on THREE different occasions to propose a pay cut of 20% similar to the pay cut they have imposed on the productive and useful private sector; on NO occasion has he responded to this point, The bloated, incompetent and inefficient public sector has of course, been completely unaffected.
Also, and this is something that public sector jobsworths choose to ignore, the pensions ( entirely stolen from the private sector) for such jobsworths continue to accumulate exactly as before but private pensions will suffer from a lack of contributions; something that is not visible now but will be in the future.

267345 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stephanos, 1, #264 of 2327 🔗

It’s funny how they can’t see the woods from the trees but I suspect that’s what we get from people who don’t have a clue about how money is made.

With regards to pensions, I’ve just voted in favour of my workplace to reduce their contributions to mine. My reasoning is that I would rather keep my job and have something if only a little to save up every month than lose my job. Pensions now are meaningless anyway and when I finally get to cash them I suspect they will be nothing but loose change.

267795 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Stephanos, #265 of 2327 🔗

Yup too true stephanos

267119 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #266 of 2327 🔗

The Guardian: Hancock’s former neighbour won Covid test kit work after WhatsApp message.

267178 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #267 of 2327 🔗

Not only does this story smell of crony – corruption , but the products themselves are suspect if what is written in the Guardian report is true:
-“New to the industry, Bourne has certainly displayed ingenuity. He initially did not have the “clean rooms” required for manufacturing medical products and so commissioned a series of inflatable rooms.
He also paid a manufacturer of bouncy castles and blimps to make him a specially commissioned inflatable structure to unpack and decontaminate incoming supplies, which his lawyers described as a room that was intended to be “comparatively contamination-free” but “not medical-grade sterile”.
They said their client’s decision to turn to the bouncy castle company showed “creative and lateral thinking in a time of crisis”.
It remains unclear precisely how, with no prior experience in the field, and without the pre-existing facilities in produce medical supplies, Bourne came to provide millions of test tubes via two distributors with pre-existing deals with the DHSC.”-

“Comparatively contamination free”? And these test kits provide the data on which Govt policy is made and economies and people’s livelihoods destroyed.

267255 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #268 of 2327 🔗

No way would I cheerlead for the Graun these days – but a scroll down the front page gives a distinct sense of being a lot closer to our position than previously. Lots of headlines about the economic impact of lockdown, cronyism, etc. I know it’s still very much a lockdownist angle but can’t help wondering if they have seen which way the wind is blowing and are now gently setting up to be able to say ‘well, of course we warned you about the devastation this was going to cause, no self respecting leftist could ever condone the lockdown, could they?’

267120 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #269 of 2327 🔗

So yesterday I had a training session & meeting afterwards online and what happened is another example of what we’re still up against:

  1. Early afternoon session was about communicating with muzzles. The organisers did some exercises where we had to decipher what they were saying behind their muzzles. Whilst they made an effort by trying to simulate thick foreign accents and such, I thought it was a cop out as it doesn’t really match in our real life experience – we’ve been trained to communicate in a clear manner so even if they were muzzled I could still pick up at least 75% of what they’re saying however if it was a genuine visitor, it goes down to under 10%, less that 5% if it was someone with a thick regional or foreign accent. Then we had a Q&A and one of my colleagues whined about people constantly removing their muzzles or lowering them down. I pointed out that people do struggle to breathe in them and from the look on my other colleagues’ faces, I could tell that didn’t go down well until I was rescued by two of the managers who reiterated that we are not to approach them unless they clearly need assistance.
  2. After the training session, we went straight to a meeting about compulsory redundancies (yes, they’re happening as I said they will even 6 months ago!) and I could sense that the mood was subdued and I sympathise. However, it makes me despair that hardly anyone acknowledges why we’re in this situation and how many of them are complicit in this .

I’ve reached the conclusion that many of them are so far gone now that not even the reality of compulsory redundancies hasn’t woken them up yet. I honestly don’t know what will.

267136 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #270 of 2327 🔗

you should have got a mask, taken out a lighter and burned it in front of them.

267140 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biker, 6, #271 of 2327 🔗

Good one. I don’t think they would have gotten that either.

267394 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 4, #272 of 2327 🔗

Welcome back Biker, you’ve been missed.

267122 Novidnineteen, replying to Novidnineteen, 3, #273 of 2327 🔗

Bloody Germans threatening to close ski resorts.

Where I am I can treat the Government’s rules as they have treated my letters, as a very minor inconvenience. Skiing is my treat in winter. I’m off before they fuck it up again.

267158 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Novidnineteen, 3, #274 of 2327 🔗

Not much of a treat . Unless you can drive there you face being muzzled on plane (tricky to claim exemption on many airlines) , muzzled on the transfer to resort, muzzled in bars with no music, hotels and gondolas. What amazes me is that hard core skiers/boarders who will take a managed risk on skiing off piste are so worried about being on a ski bus even with face nappies.

267194 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Novidnineteen, 1, #275 of 2327 🔗

go to austria – I read they are keeping their ski resorts open in december. Though they are under pressure from the EU and Italy i think to close.
Another bad ski season and how many of the operators/industry will survive…

267126 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #276 of 2327 🔗


TLDR COVID19 ‘case’* outbreaks are now primarily in homes in Ireland. Which is why we need to lockdown and confine people to homes. 🙁

* Standard LS caveat – cases are not infections.

267173 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #277 of 2327 🔗

From no hard border to don’t leave your house. What a pathetic self-serving bunch of hypocrites the Irish government are.

267196 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #278 of 2327 🔗

This narrative is meant to lead to the justification for invading peoples homes ‘testing’ them and splitting up families. In particular they want to start separating children from their families.

267586 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #279 of 2327 🔗

Clearly we need to ban private homes. Everyone should live on the pavement until a vaccine is available for those who haven’t died of exposure…

267128 Richard, 11, #280 of 2327 🔗


Supreme Court in the US waking up at last just overturned COVID restrictions on religious gatherings / services

267133 Biker, replying to Biker, 67, #281 of 2327 🔗

Got to laugh at the shock that peer Review is total bollocks. Science is like religion and it’s believers these days are puritans. Fuck the lockdown, don’t do a single thing these fuckers say, do everything you can to fuck the system up. The government is the problem. The things they do are the problem. Democracy is a terrible idea. We now live in a world where even when you vote for an old Etonian we get some green woke cunt hell bent on destroying our lives. And look how we see all the Great British public just cave in like the fucking cowards they are. Theres no hope with Hitchens and all the others, like Toby i’m afraid, because they don’t call for mass disobedience. What will it take for Toby, Hitchens and the rest of them to get together and call for total disobedience to this green new world they are forcing on us with this bullshit virus. It will be too late to do anything. We need mass protests, non payment of taxes, non compliance with the stupid cunts who’s only abilities is to work some government job. The whole system needs to burn to the fucking ground. It won’t happen off course because cunts like Hitchens and Toby don’t walk the walk, maybe their Hush Puppies are just too comfortable, maybe that pension plan is just a little too large to lose, maybe that nice house with the housekeeper is enough to buy you off. Round my way people work real hard work for a job and they’re being destroyed by middle class wankers and given false hope by so called sceptics. All i see when i read the comments is nothing. One chick goes out with her leaflets, good for her, she’s a star, the rest bleat on and on moaning about not going to church (fucking hell) and other rubbish. Eight months this shit has been going on for and it’s never gonna end until we fight back.
For my part i call mask wearers out when i’m in shops, i’ll say to them as i’m looking at the cabbages, the only difference between you and that cabbage is the cabbage isn’t wearing a mask. I’m in the face of all of it, even the pigs on the street. Nearly got arrested for telling some mid twenty years dumb fuck in his batman costume that his mum must be so proud with his little batman costume and his pepper spray. Fuck the police can’t even fight like men any more. So i don’t worry about when they put the army on the streets cause these dumb shits can’t tie their fucking laces. Take your money out the bank, cancel all your subscriptions don’t buy anything on line, don’t pay road tax, car insurance, pay taxes, anything in fact to fuck the system up. I’m tired of this system. I’m fifty and don’t have many years left and i feel when i look at my son that i have let him down because i did fuck all to destroy the mass tyranny we have forced on us. For years i lived off grid and got stoned and drunk and raced motorbikes, played in bands enjoying myself but it turns out what i should have been doing is War.
Prison Planet, pay to live. Now we’re tagged and traced and spiked with goo we’re animals in a fucking zoo

267142 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Biker, 6, #282 of 2327 🔗

If Toby and Peter Hitchens called for mass civil disobedience, what do you think would happen?

267148 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #283 of 2327 🔗

Civil war?

267170 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Londo Mollari, 18, #284 of 2327 🔗


268713 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Recusant, 5, #285 of 2327 🔗

Lord Sumption has already told us that the government’s coronavirus restrictions are very likely illegal and probably would not stand up to due process. On top of that the restrictions are clearly immoral and so should be ignored in their entirety.

Do not wear masks, never get tested and make sure you never risk life and limb by being vaccinated, with one or another of Bill Gate’s or anybody else’s special depopulating brews. These are the darkest of times and without widespread and firm resistance things will only get much worse. In short, it is clear that the government wants nearly all of us dead and soon at that.

267185 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Londo Mollari, 39, #286 of 2327 🔗

I expect others to join them. I expect Talk Radio to organise on air, i expect people to put it on the line. If you don’t then you’re not helping and are just blowing wind up my ass. It takes one man to lead us out the desert and into the promised land. Now i don’t expect a spineless tosser like Toby Young to stand up and be counted because he’s got too much to lose, same goes for Hitichens but if they did stand up it would mean a hell of a lot. They’re gonna lose it all anyway and hedging your bets won’t achieve anything except their own destruction. Make no mistake these green woke cunts are coming for you. They gonna ration energy, this is how they are going to get you compliant. They’ve got us locked up, announced their banning gas boilers, and cars and air travel. You will be forced at gun point to take their vaccine, if you’ve assets they’re gonna take them. Stand up now before it’s to late. Off course no one will, but like Churchill telling them about Hitler and they didn’t want to listen, well i’m fucking Churchill and i’m telling you these fuckers are gonna poison us, our children with goo, they’re gonna take everything and turn us into slaves. I’m ready to fight back and when you need me at the dispatch box leading the nation in the war against these globalist shills, these money lenders and religious goons, these scientists and their technological excuses for why they must run the world i’ll be there. I’m not even joking. They will kill you and your family without giving it a single thought.

267214 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Biker, 8, #287 of 2327 🔗

I mean, you’re not Churchill though. But I feel your anger. More people should be angry, and the angry people should be angrier. This is only going to end one way unfortunately, debate is already won and nothing has changed so options narrow. We’ve all seen what kind of things focused minds on debating other issues over the last 20 years and it will eventually come to that over this, if the deception continues. It’s inevitable, unfortunately

267221 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Jakehadlee, 19, #288 of 2327 🔗

I am just a man, a rare commodity these days, so yes i am Churchill if i want to be. I can be anything i want. I don’t know a bout you but i don’t give two fucks if i live or die but i do care about living free while i still breathe. I’m not even angry, you wouldn’t like me if i was angry.

268033 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, 1, #289 of 2327 🔗

How about President Elect?

268721 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jakehadlee, #290 of 2327 🔗

Your opening sentence ruins the rest of your post.

269113 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #291 of 2327 🔗

I find people dont like it if I get angry….that seems to be unfashionable these days. Even my partner does not like it and I’m not sure she would be on my side if I got into a brawl with some covid nazi in a shop. I am sure that will happen one day but there will only be one winner in that one!

267351 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Biker, 6, #292 of 2327 🔗

It’s true. I’m convinced the Gov’t, or the Covid Cabal (for want of a better description) wants us dead

Some can see what’s happening and they’re shouting warnings but no one’s listening

268767 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 1, #293 of 2327 🔗

Oh yes, they really do want us dead and that’s been clear from nearly day one of this long planned and fake pandemic. Johnson and his government of mental pygmies have signed on to the Gates and Schwab vision of a massively depopulated future for the planet. No doubt, they will have been well rewarded for their utmost treachery.

The “Great Reset” and “sustainability” are simply code for the coming mass global genocide. The Covid-19 vaccines are their not too secret weapon and only the very naive will be bearing their arms for these toxic concoctions. Once vaccinated the remainder of their days will be spent battling pain and illness, culminating in a welcome death.

267426 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 6, #294 of 2327 🔗

I agree with you on this and your previous post a 100%. I have been saying something similar of months now. What is required is action, civil disobedience on a massive scale and if need be full out rebellion. I’m behind you all the way as a very smart man once said : Give me liberty , or give me death!

268683 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #295 of 2327 🔗

We’ll be waiting a long time to find out.

267150 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Biker, 20, #296 of 2327 🔗

Great post agree with everything you say..

267265 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #297 of 2327 🔗

Thanks and i appreciate your work on the Great Train Robbery.

267281 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Biker, 6, #298 of 2327 🔗

Thank you sir I will pass your appreciation on to my friend Ronnie I could not have done it without him..
Keep the comments coming Biker Fucking ace..

267156 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Biker, 9, #299 of 2327 🔗

You really showed those masked shoppers!

267200 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to jb12, 3, #300 of 2327 🔗

fuck your patronising post pal

267740 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Biker, 1, #301 of 2327 🔗

Well, you are having a go at people like Toby Young and Rosie while doing absolutely nothing yourself. So yes, fuck my post if it makes you feel better.

268777 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Biker, #302 of 2327 🔗

I would strongly suggest that jb12 is a 77th Brigade operative.

267159 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Biker, 22, #303 of 2327 🔗

“For my part i call mask wearers out when i’m in shops, i’ll say to them as i’m looking at the cabbages, the only difference between you and that cabbage is the cabbage isn’t wearing a mask”

Fucking hell brutal and true fantastic quote Biker

267432 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to tonyspurs, 6, #304 of 2327 🔗

I call out masked people when we walk outside, but now my wife has become very angry at me 🙂

268780 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #305 of 2327 🔗

It’s time to stand up for yourself, there’s not too much time left.

268783 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #306 of 2327 🔗

I crossed the road today and found myself level with a masked zombie heading in my direction. Found myself saying “childish idiot” out loud as I got near him. He ignored me and kept on walking, don’t know if he even heard me although my American voice tends to be rather distinctive. Of course, I live alone so I have no partner to upset.

269120 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #307 of 2327 🔗

Yes I do too sometimes especially if they are young virtue signalling twats. I sound the horn on solo diver mask wearers and point to my head lol.

267970 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #308 of 2327 🔗

Great to have right good rant with all the energy ,but where do all the people live in this mask etc, hell? Me and my wife go everywhere all the shops, big, small post orifice ignore any if any comments of which there are none, just ignore the bollox, once again no prediction of the ‘ future ‘ is ever right how the fuck can it be? a time machine hasn’t been invented yet.. go Biker!. and no at 50 your life isn’t almost over…These little grey souless fuckers will never win. And Toby and Hitchens have done a sterling job, so direct your ire elsewhere.

268793 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to David Grimbleby, 2, #309 of 2327 🔗

Toby and Peter Hitchens are clearly products of the establishment and so we should be grateful for what they have done so far. The real work is now up to the rest of us and we can start tomorrow. Don’t social distance, never wear a mask and never get tested. Most importantly don’t allow yourself, or your charges to be vaccinated, unless you want them to face a painful terminal illness. The fake Covid-19 pandemic has always been all about vaccines and the vaccines are all about depopulation.

267445 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Biker, 1, #310 of 2327 🔗

oh welcome back!

268317 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Biker, 1, #311 of 2327 🔗

In this case it probably is bollocks but peer review is not what people think it is – ie it does not mean the theory you’re putting forward is proven as so many seem to think.

269103 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 2, #312 of 2327 🔗

Have to say I agree with that….I would not condemn any form of resistance now….things have gone too far for politeness. Some wimps on here even criticise Annie for ripping down obnoxious covid notices…more power to her scissors! The filth only really take on people they think they can beat…give them some real resistance and they run away or get down on one knee. So many have now been selected for their race and sex rather than effectiveness in the job anyway…and its a copper that told me that recently!

269201 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Biker, #313 of 2327 🔗

Thought we’d lost you Biker – thank God you’re back!
Many of us are quieter disciples doing what we can in our own small way. It may not be your way, but we’re moving towards the same end.

267138 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #314 of 2327 🔗

CNBC: Doctors say CDC should warn people the side effects from Covid vaccine shots won’t be ‘a walk in the park’.

267145 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #315 of 2327 🔗

I’m feeling a bit ‘conspiracy’ today. My reaction to the above article is to think that if I were trying to promote a placebo as a real vaccine, I would big up its side effects in advance. If it was just saline, the psychological work would already have been done, and if I wanted to egg the pudding, I would include some harmless crap in the vaccine to provoke some sort of predictable side effect. Curry powder or something.

267163 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #316 of 2327 🔗

Wouldn’t that be an own goal if people didn’t come back for the second dose?

267169 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #317 of 2327 🔗

Well here’s my conspiracy theory: when they thought Biden had the Presidency in the bag it was all joy and jubilation – the vaccine works and is gonna save us! – but now they think there’s an outside chance Trump is going to prove massive electoral fraud and stay president they need to prepare the ground so they can say “Sorry folks, Trump misled you – there is no vaccine round the corner”.

267247 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, 1, #318 of 2327 🔗

Or trump’s vaccine has killed half the population

268786 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to stefarm, #319 of 2327 🔗

Well some of them already call it “Trump’s virus”, so why not “Trump’s vaccine”?

267141 Motke, replying to Motke, 30, #320 of 2327 🔗

One of my sons goes to a small school, about 30 kids. Another pupil commented how nice the food from the kitchen smelt and my son replied that he couldn’t smell it. A teacher overheard and took him into a room, sprayed some antibac spray near him and he said he couldn’t smell that either. So I was called and told I had to collect him and get him tested for covid, and he couldn’t return until I could prove a negative result. I brought some aftershave with me and surprise, surprise he could jolly well smell that! And lo and behold his test came back negative as well. What utter nonsense and overreaction from the school. And the test centre was a surreal experience as well – a converted park and ride with lots of tents and people in high vis jackets holding up signs and looking serious. It was all very baffling to be honest.

267147 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Motke, 2, #321 of 2327 🔗

BIG SAFT× KIDS.(Not the school kids, the so called adults)
×Black country dialect

267166 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Motke, 14, #322 of 2327 🔗

think of the few days off as a break from state schooling, a true blessing. Home educate your son or he’ll end up just another braindead zombie. I’m sure you think he won’t and he might not but chances are he’ll spend his life damaged by statist schooling.

267207 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Biker, 7, #323 of 2327 🔗

My daughter hates being back amongst the flock now though- wanted me to bring her home yesterday – got calendar granny killer for explaining PCR test flaws and not wanting vax.

267237 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to CGL, 6, #324 of 2327 🔗

Called a granny killer for explaining the PCR test?

And yet they’re happy for old people to die alone, with their family prevented from seeing them? These sort of people don’t think at all.

267243 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to richmond, 6, #325 of 2327 🔗

Yes how many elderly people have died and will die as they can’t afford to heat their homes in the winter.

267168 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Motke, 11, #326 of 2327 🔗

sprayed some antibac spray near him

What did they expect anticbac spray to do against a virus? What a bunch of superstitious ninnies. Funny how following the science can make you more credulous than a medieval peasant.

267179 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Recusant, 3, #327 of 2327 🔗

Sounds like they were intending for him to smell it – which presumably would require a least partially inhaling it. Using an antibac spray to test a childs sense of smell does not sound very smart.

267195 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Saved To Death, 12, #328 of 2327 🔗

they should have gave him a line of coke to see if he could taste, smell and feel it. or a light up a big spliff with some Purple Haze, if you can’t smell that then you’re fucked.

267235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Biker, 1, #329 of 2327 🔗

Personally I would just leave him to get on with his school day and have fun but then I am a crazy guy.

267261 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #330 of 2327 🔗

yeah bro it’s fun at the state school. Honestly i despair. This is the kind of bullshit i face. There is no hope when people actually think state schooling is “fun”. Maybe it is? i went to a highly respected private School where fun meant being treaded harshly so you grow up to be self reliant unlike state school were they’re all in this together in their nice wee community of compliant apes, so i don’t know. People from my school run the schools you send your children to have “fun” at and people from my school live like Kings while people from state schools work for them. Absolute tools.

267289 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Biker, 3, #331 of 2327 🔗

Children do not need to be treated harshly to grow up to be self reliant or to have the ability to think for themselves.

My 3 year old does very much have fun at his nursery playing with the children of other poorpers like myself. The staff there are sane. My 13 year old does not describe school as fun but he still chooses to attend while having to option of being home schooled.

Good for you that you got to go to a ‘highly respected private School’ where ‘People from my school run the schools you send your children to’ and ‘people from my school live like Kings’. Hope your enjoying living like a fucking king!

268629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #332 of 2327 🔗

you steal the money from my pocket to have your child educated, why the fuck should i pay for anything for you? I do enjoy living like a King, and why wouldn’t i? better than being some dumb fuck who sends his kids to state school

267182 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Motke, 5, #333 of 2327 🔗

If my childs school wanted me to subject my children to unnecessary medical testing I would refuse.

267208 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Motke, #334 of 2327 🔗

They told you that you had no choice but to impose an invasive medical procedure on your child? That your child would never be allowed back to school without it?

267234 ▶▶▶ Motke, replying to Ovis, 5, #335 of 2327 🔗

Yes, they said he couldn’t come back until he had a negative test. To be honest I didn’t question whether that was lawful or not and just went along with it. The only good thing was that I was able to book in a test straight away. But that doesn’t detract from the fact that it was utterly barmy to send him home because he couldn’t smell food being cooked in the kitchen! Apparently the teachers went into panic mode and started deep cleaning the place. As my son pointed out, we all have different senses of smell. I just thought it was complete bonkers.

267212 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Motke, 4, #336 of 2327 🔗

If common sense has also left schools that says a lot doesn’t it?

We’re really, really screwed.

267440 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Motke, 1, #337 of 2327 🔗

I think you’ve discovered the Brut vaccine

267146 Stuart, replying to Stuart, -12, #338 of 2327 🔗

Lockdown 3.0 is ideal cover for the Crashout Implementation Period and transition to Brexit’s blasted heath/sunlit uplands.

Lockdowners and Brexiters are two interrelated species of monkey who reach their apotheosis in Boris Stupendi Mundi.

267201 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Stuart, 16, #339 of 2327 🔗

Nothing wrong with Brexit. Everything wrong with the fact that it still hasn’t happened after four years. If the powers that be had wanted it, it would have been managed perfectly well.

267202 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Stuart, 20, #340 of 2327 🔗

Lockdowners are almost entirely Remoaners. The same smug, semi-educated self regard of the cushioned middle class who want mummy to save them from the nasty working class/virus. Everyone I know who voted for Brexit is a sceptic.

267210 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Jakehadlee, 10, #341 of 2327 🔗

I voted to leave. There is what seems to be an authoritarian type of leave voter who thinks that obeying the government is patriotic and virtuous, I’d say they are a minority.

I don’t really see any point in dividing along leave/remain lines though. It seems like a small and distant issue when you consider that almost every country in the world has bought into this nonsense.

Let’s take our freedom back. Then we can debate about immigration, fishing, farming, trade etc again. It’ll be a novelty!

267277 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #342 of 2327 🔗

L L,See my reply to Jake.

267331 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Fingerache Philip., #343 of 2327 🔗

From what I read here everyday, we’re an eclectic bunch at LS.

267258 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Jakehadlee, 10, #344 of 2327 🔗

Just in the interests of proportionality. I supported Corbyn, campaigned against Brexit and would do so again. I will not wear a mask and I have actively stood against lockdown. Having said that, I have been pretty much shunned by everyone I know!

267349 ▶▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to Danny, 2, #345 of 2327 🔗

I still support Leader of the Opposition Corbyn.

267262 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #346 of 2327 🔗

You hit the nail on the head with that comment, my next door neighbor fits that description,needless to say I have no time for the shit he represents…

267269 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Jakehadlee, 6, #347 of 2327 🔗

That’s a pretty stupid thing to say given how many people on here openly state they voted Remain. As another comment here stated, it’s a useless way of dividing the country: I meet stupid Remainers and and some very smart Leavers. And indeed, it should be Remainers who are calling out the govt’s dodgy stats and fearmongering on this.

267270 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #348 of 2327 🔗

You think Remainers would call out the very people they want to remain with? lol

267274 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jakehadlee, 6, #349 of 2327 🔗

Actually, Jake, I’m a remainer (working class/ left school at 15/ no qualifications, etc) and they don’t come any more sceptic than me.

267465 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #350 of 2327 🔗

Agree with you on this. Those I know and suspect who voted Remain are also lockdown zealots and mask fanatics as well. And oh, they suffer from TDS too.

267203 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Stuart, #351 of 2327 🔗

Is that your explanation for the same phenomenon in rEU? And most of the rest of the developed world? I thought Britain was too insignificant for other countries to be bothered about Brexit, certainly not bothered enough to destroy themselves as a precaution.

267205 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Stuart, 11, #352 of 2327 🔗

Anybody with half a brain cell can see they are starting to talk up Lockdown 3.0. Even though most of us will be going in to lockdown 3 next week. We saw it in the summer, the government and MSM softening us up for a second wave etc. They are also talking about a third wave, err sorry, where is the second wave! This will never end. Heads need to be cracked and people need to go to jail.

267216 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to FlynnQuill, #353 of 2327 🔗

Encouraging to see in our local news that our MP is encouraging us to remain in tier 1 where we were before – 14 new cases yesterday, still worryingly high but has dropped in the past few days. Depending on what Hancock decides looks like some sort of missive to him later. Maybe he is a bit more sceptic than I though.

267223 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to davews, 7, #354 of 2327 🔗

Tier 1 is still servitude. And does 14 new cases mean cases, i.e. people who are ill, or does it mean positive test results? Either way, it’s not worryingly high. People need something real to worry about.

267249 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to davews, 5, #355 of 2327 🔗

No need to ‘worry’: they are not ‘cases’ just positive test results which are virtually meaningless.

267342 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Basileus, 1, #356 of 2327 🔗

Yes, friend just rang up. His father is in a care home and has tested positive but has no symptoms. I pointed out to him the false positive stuff, seem to have cheered him up a bit.

267311 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to davews, 4, #357 of 2327 🔗

14 cases is a joke, locking down an area or region down for 14 (if the are ill) people is absolutely insane. It is akin to cutting off your leg because you have an in grown toe nail. I bet they are all false positives. We are held to ransom over a PCR test that is not fit for purpose. It has been pointed out to the Government and SAGE by some of the most prominent scientists on the planet. But the government know it isn’t fit for purpose, they just do not care.

We truly are doomed if we don’t push back very strongly. We could dress as BLM or XR and the Police will happily let us protest. In fact they may just kneel or dance before us.

267217 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to FlynnQuill, 5, #358 of 2327 🔗

It will not end unassisted. It has to be ended, from below. The state will never end it.

267250 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ovis, 5, #359 of 2327 🔗

Yes, we have had enough words, it it time to act.

268042 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to FlynnQuill, #360 of 2327 🔗

Toss them in the Thames!

267153 Pancho the Grey, 9, #361 of 2327 🔗

If there are so many symptomatic outbreaks in hospitals (I am assuming symptomatic since people are dying) then what does that say about the much vaunted use of clinical quality PPE by the medical profession.

267155 Antonedes, 14, #362 of 2327 🔗

Hospital acquired infections probably arise principally from the ventilation systems. Modern hospitals have no windows and low ceilings. Compare with the hospitals designed before the NHS was invented: high ceilings, narrow wards and cross flow ventilation from windows on either side. This fits with other high spread occurrences in cruise ships, tube trains, restaurants and cozy households.

267171 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #363 of 2327 🔗

Telegraph reporting dosage error putting claims about Oxford vaccine efficacy in doubt.

267209 ▶▶ Biker, replying to OKUK, 13, #364 of 2327 🔗

There is no vaccine, never will be.

267174 merlin, replying to merlin, 28, #365 of 2327 🔗

Some reasons to be hopeful there is a reversal coming:
Oxford/astra trial dosing error is drawing a lot of criticism from mainstream sources. Big Pharma stocks trading like shit.
Sharp reversal in crypto currencies last 24 hours- can be a useful indicator in my experience
US election is not over. Trump Pardons general flynn- his attorney Sidney Powell files law suits alleging massive election fraud in georgia/michigan.

The Great Reset they have planned for us is NOT going to plan. If we are saved from tyranny it will be due to luck and americans. The last 9 months has proved beyond doubt that we in britain are largely a invertebrate species.

267296 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to merlin, 3, #366 of 2327 🔗

Indeed. At least lockdown is a partisan issue in the US. Here, we have supine compliance and collaboration.

President Trump may yet have to save us in 2024.

267318 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Alexei, 4, #367 of 2327 🔗

Don’t rule out his inauguration for a second term in 2021.

267680 ▶▶ Ben, replying to merlin, 2, #368 of 2327 🔗

It makes me livid to think that all of this suffering and false imprisonment of humanity is because of Big Pharma. Big Pharma is a global terrorist organisation, their shareholders complicit

268062 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #369 of 2327 🔗

Medical Mafioso.

267192 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 6, #371 of 2327 🔗

Lockdown/ tiers and legislation

I see the “Guidance” document widely circulated about “rules” for the new tiers, but not the actual legislation. I assume this is a new statutory instrument. Maybe it is not public until later on?

I ask because I can be forced to comply with the law but I can choose to ignore “guidance”, such as travel between tiers for non-essential purposes. The telegraph notes such travel is a “should” which in legal language means guidance. I think the government are trying to scare/ bully people by not making this clear.

If anyone has a link to the legal documentation I’d be grateful.

267219 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to FrankiiB, 3, #372 of 2327 🔗

The legal side of all this is tricky and much of it dubious, I have written to Toby and team to ask if they can do a summary article for this newsletter. There is a Government dashboard of Coronavirus legislation
But the draft new regs are not yet listed and so I presume they are not yet available?
Many of these lock-down regs are written under the Public Health Act, my understanding is that offences under this act should be addressed by first a warning and then the issue of a summons. The offences and fines under this Act do not seem to meet the criteria for being an arrestable offence but you can be arrested if you fail to provide the information the authorities need in order to issue a summons.
It seems to be a different type of law than a simple criminal offences law although it does seem that some have attempted to use it that way.

267227 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #373 of 2327 🔗

When’s it’s here, its here as an “amendment” or its own separate instrument:


Then this gets updated:


267242 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #374 of 2327 🔗

This is their M.O. every time. They talk broadly about the new restrictions and say “there will be law”. When the law comes out, it only relates to part of what they announced, but by this time, the plebs think it is all law. Of course, they don’t bother to check.

267276 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #375 of 2327 🔗

Absolutely right. However the big problem for those of use smart enough to know our rights is that all of this is enforced by the volunteer citizen Stasi who are champing at the bit to get out there and enjoy the power trip from shaming some poor sod who’s actually doing nothing illegal or morally wrong. Even the quiet types have a very woolly sense of what the law actually is on all sorts of things.

A more hopeful observation is that I personally have managed to talk others into doing things by clearly explaining that guidance is not law.

267197 richmond, replying to richmond, 18, #376 of 2327 🔗

If there is so much covid in the hospitals, and it’s so deadly, then why are there not hundred of dead doctors and nurses?

If you imagine what a real pandemic would look like, and then compare it to this, where are the similarities?

267198 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to richmond, 2, #377 of 2327 🔗

Good point.

267251 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to richmond, 9, #378 of 2327 🔗

Same thing in general, Richmond. How many people do you see struggling or collapsing in the street or supermarket, you know, “Dropping like flies” ? I honestly haven’t even heard anyone cough.

267923 ▶▶ Ben, replying to richmond, #379 of 2327 🔗

The definition of ‘pandemic’ was changed by the WHO in 2009 after pressure from Pharma companies

267213 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #380 of 2327 🔗

2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019: Death is a fact of life and its also a fact that old and ill people die every winter.

2020: Death is an entirely avoidable thing and we should everything in our power to not let anyone die at all costs!

267222 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Censored Dog, 9, #381 of 2327 🔗

Correction, people cannot be allowed to die of Covid.

Any other cause is just fine, and doesn’t bear mentioning or comparison.

267673 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Censored Dog, 4, #382 of 2327 🔗

And in between birth and death is a life to be lived. But politicians have locked us away from this life. The birds outside are freer than us

268073 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Censored Dog, #383 of 2327 🔗

Well, so far they are doing a very poor job. Check Worldometer.

267215 Kev, replying to Kev, 4, #384 of 2327 🔗

Found another intersesting article on how inappropriate the PCR test really is. Its a fairly long article translated from French, technical in places but not overly difficult to follow.


It confirms that an amplification Ct above 30 is meaningless, as is any reported result unless it provides the amplification factor used.

But hey, when did mere facts ever help our cause.

267232 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Kev, 1, #385 of 2327 🔗

Or get in the way of a good story!

267218 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 24, #386 of 2327 🔗

It is now crystal clear that Hancock, Gove, Johnson, Whitty, Vallance and SAGE are not going to change direction, will not listen to alternative views and are impervious to criticism and ridicule. They are too far invested into their version of the Schlieffen Plan and cannot/will not admit they are wrong.

All of us here and sceptical journalists newspapers and scientists are wasting our time trying to convince these people to change course.

The only relevant question now is how can we can get Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance out of office. This is the only way this madness will end.

So, how do we do it?

267224 ▶▶ merlin, replying to flyingjohn, 11, #387 of 2327 🔗

Individual acts of defiance and convincing others to do the same. And pray for divine intervention.

267228 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to flyingjohn, 3, #388 of 2327 🔗

I do feel there is also some mileage in challenging the legal side of all this, but as we have seen with the Simon Dolan case this is hard and expensive to undertake.

267264 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #389 of 2327 🔗

If the increasing PCR challenges succeed that will have some impact.

268075 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, #390 of 2327 🔗

And a long, drawn out process.

267238 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to flyingjohn, 2, #391 of 2327 🔗

Get leafleting.

267257 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to flyingjohn, 9, #392 of 2327 🔗

I don’t see how anyone but their backbenchers can get them out of office.I believe that CRG and 1922 committee are our best, but very slim, hope in that respect.

267285 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #393 of 2327 🔗

That’s how I see it. Starmer is content to score political points. Only opposition comes from within Johnson’s own party.

When you listen to Sir Graham Brady speak; concise, erudite focused, you wonder how on earth mumbling, dithering umming and erring Johnson and Hancock became front benchers let alone Prime Minister.

But as Malone says in ‘The Untouchables ‘ What are you prepared to do?’

267260 ▶▶ Kev, replying to flyingjohn, 10, #394 of 2327 🔗

Only mass non-compliance will work, non-violent the Gandhi way.

They probably want violence so they can respond with martial law, never give them what they want!

Film police aggression and send it far and wide.

267326 ▶▶ Julian, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #395 of 2327 🔗

I don’t think anyone here has believed it was possible to change their minds for a while now. It’s about changing public opinion, bringing pressure to bear via the media and backbench MPs

267919 ▶▶ Mel, replying to flyingjohn, 2, #396 of 2327 🔗

Ideally a large chain like Wetherspoons should refuse to close and let the government take them to court.

268467 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mel, #397 of 2327 🔗

Yep. Ditto the Retail Association – all shops should open, no “Covid safety” measures.

Refuse the fines and force the government to take them to court.

In fact everyone should do it – hairdressers, gyms, restaurant, museums, concert halls, stately homes, etc.

That should tie the government up for 10 millenia or so.

267231 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 3, #398 of 2327 🔗

Interesting to see that the health department had hired Topham Guerin to report back on what the public think. All those comments and tweets that us sceptics make may be making a difference as it feels as if there could be a slight change in direction next year, with Hancock talking about people taking more responsibility for themselves by Easter and others being free to get back to normal.

267286 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to muzzle, 5, #399 of 2327 🔗

You can bet they will blast out the doublethink once they see which way the wind is blowing. Look a the hand wringing and crocodile tears if your MP responds to letters. They’ll claim they have always been ‘balanced’ vs the extreme views of SAGE, that we’ve had a very liberal lockdown compared to other countries, cook the books re the economy, and finally pat everyone on the back and pretend they’re absolute heroes, before retiring to a lucrative job advising shadowy banking cartels.

Some may disagree, but I feel there’s a large proportion of the population who are quietly resisting in their own small ways and we’re just not seeing this. I think I’m a bit of a rebel and then I come across friends who I assumed were total zealots knowingly breaking the rules.

267324 ▶▶ Julian, replying to muzzle, #400 of 2327 🔗

We are unlikely to get back to normal unless there’s a huge shift in public opinion

Tier 1 is the new normal

267239 DRW, replying to DRW, 16, #401 of 2327 🔗

June 2021? Compliance is dropping now and can only go lower after the Christmss truce.

267322 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 5, #402 of 2327 🔗

We need a big push from large chains, especially in hospitality and travel.

267659 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 4, #403 of 2327 🔗

But that still doesn’t resolve the problem. There is a global entity pushing governments around the world to lockdown and impose restrictions. A controlled demolition of economies. Businesses are being closed down in Canada, Australia, Europe.. It’s the same script – but who’s giving the orders?

268081 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #404 of 2327 🔗

Who is acquiesing as well.

268845 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ben, #405 of 2327 🔗

America as well. Governors are increasing restrictions in some states and the number unemployed is rising again.

267388 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Leemc23, #407 of 2327 🔗


Our taxes will go up due to the waste and they will sip champagne in the sun

267266 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #408 of 2327 🔗

When you think about it, the present situation of sheep and collaborators who when they are told “jump” they ask “how high?”, is a natural progression from what’s been happening for a number of years now.
My wife and myself have never watched “Strictly” because we don’t find people dancing particularly entertaining or “Bake off” because we don’t find people baking cakes for the same reason and don’t get me started on “I’m a celebrity, etc” and similar brain dead programmes, but when we are asked “who do you think will win any of the aforementioned shows and we reply ” we don’t and have never watched them”, the reaction is a mixture of disbelief, incredulity and pity”.
“You don’t watch strictly, etc? but everybody watches, etc”.
No!!, we don’t do things because everybody does it, thank you, because we can think for ourselves!!!
What do F S’s think? or am I just becoming an even more miserable sod ?

267279 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #409 of 2327 🔗

Used to watch Strictly but haven’t done so since they brought in the props and silly theme weeks.

Have never watched Bake Off, I’m a Celeb, etc.

So no, you’re not alone. Can’t be arsed with any of those programmes. Apart from The Crown have not watched anything on Netflix either.

267280 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #410 of 2327 🔗

Not at all, its all ultra woke rubbish, bread and circuses.

If you watch their bilge you won’t be questioning anything, you won’t be a critical thinker.

If you went on Who wants to be a millionaire, you could only rely on the audience (when they existed) to correctly answer entertainment type questions, most people don’t seem to know much else reliably, it seems!

267302 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Kev, 4, #411 of 2327 🔗

I don’t know if you watch Pointless, Kev?, but the woeful lack of knowledge concerning History, Literature, and General knowledge is truly amazing.
Most of the contestants are university graduates, professional people and the like but when confronted with questions that an average 12 year old would answer correctly, they admit “I’m really struggling with this board, Zander,”
For instance there was a question concerning European battles and one question was: “In which battle did Duke William defeat King Harold?”, the 100 people who were asked by the programme scored in the 80’s.
We rest our case.

267316 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #412 of 2327 🔗

I watch that and can be found shouting at the television when they can’t fill in the blanks in the titles of some of the most famous novels in English Literature or don’t know the most basic facts of our history. Get them to name a soap star or a dog in a TV series and I haven’t a clue but they are all over it!

267354 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, #413 of 2327 🔗


267439 ▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to steph, 1, #414 of 2327 🔗

The “Celebs” are even worse – thick as pigshit

267317 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #415 of 2327 🔗

I do actually watch pointless, I know the clues in the name, I just like quizzes.

Have to agree, the general level of knowledge of some contestants, and the 100 asked is shocking

Once there was a picture of George Soros and not one person knew who he was, that is just seriously uninformed.

267341 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #416 of 2327 🔗

one of the worst things , and this is relevant for Covid, is the excuse that the subject of the question happened before they were born. These people only understand or know their own life experiences. If they did not experience it, it did not happen. And of course the education system is so broken that kids do not get told facts, or contexts and so the general knowledge is pitiful.
And Covid? again they cannot contextualise it. They dont know there have been worse flu epidemics in the past. They have no idea of history and how the current lockdown fits with that history and the removal of freedoms that we now experience.

267372 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mjr, 1, #417 of 2327 🔗

The thing is, mjr, is that A A, a self confessed part of the “Nobility”, related to royalty, I believe and R O, a child of a single working class parent ( I believe) went to “Oxbridge”.
R O’s barely disguised contempt of the woeful lack of general knowledge is one of the best parts of the show.

267282 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #418 of 2327 🔗

Never watched any of them but get the same reaction, every time. Asked just yesterday about the ‘Jungle’ and she was astounded that I didn’t think Ant and Dec were hilarious.

267306 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #419 of 2327 🔗

Thanks for that, Dan, also: Am I the only person in the country that thinks that Michael Macintyre is surely the most unfunny person in the world?

267320 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #420 of 2327 🔗

Nope, he is about as funny as a cold sore. Awful, the Coldplay of comedy

267327 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Fingerache Philip., #421 of 2327 🔗

McIntyre I find OK sometimes in small doses, he does a bit about the US and American people, which myself & a friend in the US find funny. Though imo he is very heavily influenced by Seinfeld, who did some of this stuff in the 1990’s.

268494 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Fingerache Philip., #422 of 2327 🔗

No you’re not. I find him intensely irritating.

267339 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Dan Clarke, #423 of 2327 🔗

I don’t get what the deal is with Ant & Dec either… 10-15 years ago perhaps they had their moments, but now they seem awfully tired and distinctly unpleasant even at times. Regardless of what people think of I’m a Celeb, some of the challenges & trials are difficult & involve people facing really significant fears, to see Ant & Dec howling with laughter, as people have faced things like mental health barriers, even panic attacks, isn’t funny at all, it is dreadful.

267366 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #424 of 2327 🔗

They are truly dreadful, about as funny as eating cold sick!

How they keep winning those awards escapes me. Zero talent.

267287 ▶▶ steph, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #425 of 2327 🔗

I do watch Strictly and Bake off because I enjoy them both. I’ve never watched Big brother, I’m a celebrity, love island etc. We can all make our own choices. I do agree that celebrity culture is quite damaging. The thought that because someone can act well or play a sport well allows their opinion on matters outside of those spheres to be considered valuable is madness.
I do wish though that we could get a real celeb with global appeal to speak out against lockdown but they are all too comfortable and keen on virtue signalling.

267310 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steph, 3, #426 of 2327 🔗

Really good point.

267887 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Fingerache Philip., #427 of 2327 🔗

I agree with you

267288 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #428 of 2327 🔗

I agree, Philip, though of course I might just be a miserable middle-aged sod. Watching other people doing things on TV and social media has become a substitute for going out (or indeed staying in) and living life. Twitter tells people what to think and Instagram tells people what they should value. None of it is honest and it has had a devestating impact on people’s expectations and self-concept around the world. The ground work was indeed laid over the last 20 years or so and now the masses are passive and completely comfortable with lies and artifice as long as they are told they are safe and feel entertained (using the term loosley).

267290 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #429 of 2327 🔗

Hate Bake Off because I actually like baking myself. It’s The Apprentice but with a veneer of genteelity, actually just as exploitive and cruel. They edit it to manufacture drama, of course, but they also deliberately set the contestants up to fail by giving barely enough time to do the bake and probably vet the entrants to make sure they’re not competent enough to know how to hack the blind tasks.

I am a long way off being an old sod in years but I’ve largely ignored the idiot’s lantern in recent times, being doing things of personal value like playing piano or modelling.

267346 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #430 of 2327 🔗

I love baking and do enjoy Bake Off. I’m not unaware of the way the contestants are selected but it’s their choice. Also in recent series I think they are better at the basic competencies but not as good as they should be. It’s quite fun to shout at the television “don’t you even know what that is?” Actually, that happens mostly in the Sewing Bee which is I also enjoy. I happen to know one extremely competent seamstress who would never fail at any of the basic or more complex techniques who has failed twice to get past the first level of the selection process, probably for a lack of interesting back story.

267348 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #431 of 2327 🔗

I don’t mind Bake Off occasionally, the blind tasks always made me think too. Paul Hollywood used to just come up with something bizarre that nobody had ever heard of, I’m sure he just made it up sometimes, “today you will bake a dooflicky” yet miraculously at the end, everybody’s bake looked similar enough, ie they all knew exactly what it should look like!

267391 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 2, #432 of 2327 🔗

I used to watch Bake Off when it was on the BBC. However as each series went on it got more and more Woke. I only watched it to see the bellends cry over a fooking cake FFS. Now I no longer have a TV licence so I’m no longer subjected to the Media’s nudge and brain washing tactics.

269164 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #433 of 2327 🔗

Yes I play the piano a lot too….its real and worthwhile not like the junk on TV.

267298 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #434 of 2327 🔗

the majority of the population have become automatons who live their lives vicariously through the adventures of others on these tv shows. So that is not just watching the tv programmes themselves, it is also living in the social media bubbles that surround them. The extreme of this is watching gogglebox and watching people like themselves watching these programmes and sharing in the excitement of them.
From this we now have a situation where Covid is now treated as a celebrity game show, followed by the populous through daily tv shows (BBC news) and similarly maintained by social media. For a lot of people it is not real life anymore.

267384 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to mjr, 5, #435 of 2327 🔗

You are spot on. Why the fook would anybody with half a brain cell want to watch some thick chav bellends watching other thick chav bellends? When people ask me if I watch it, I look at them like they are thick. Fooking automatons.

What this situation has shown me is, a lot of people I work with didn’t have much of a life before all this shite started. The amount of times I’ve heard people say, “well I don’t go to the pub, I don’t go abroad, I don’t go out to restaurants etc, etc so lockdown doesn’t really effect me that much”. It makes me want to scream and throttle them. Unfortunately, I believe my work place is a microcosm for a good many people in this country. They may not agree with lockdown but as long as they can watch their shite shows on the telly they are quite happy to give up all their freedoms. I really think if the government banned smart phones there would be more of an outcry than having their freedoms taken away. Sad but probably true.

267300 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #436 of 2327 🔗

Joint the club. OH and I think exactly the same FP. We would also add Britain’s got talent, the Voice and the X factor. We cannot stand the “hype” surrounding these programmes. Newspapers and magazines run stories on these contestants as if being on these programmes made them someone special.

On topic, OH went to our local butcher’s this morning where he met a fellow maskless customer who had no badge or lanyard. They started talking. It appears that this man’s sister works in the ICU of our local hospital, which is a major trauma unit for a large area. She said that they were busy but by no means overstretched for this time of year. There were a few “Covid” patients but it was mainly busy with car accidents.

Several people behind the counter joined in the conversation, one whose daughter works at the hospital too and who had been quite poorly with Covid as she had underlying illness. (Her husband didn’t catch it though.) He was as sceptical about the numbers as anyone there. OH was able to tell him the numbers of deaths with ONLY Covid written on the death certificate which he was very surprised about.

What a pity that our MP didn’t look into these numbers more thoroughly before he voted for lockdown. He told us that the numbers coming from the hospital had swayed him in his decision.

268485 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Margaret, 1, #437 of 2327 🔗

No-one in the NHS or government wanting to ban cars then, even though accidents might ‘overwhelm the NHS’.

267314 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #438 of 2327 🔗

Nope, you are correct. Dumb TV for dumb people. OH was watching first dates last night and the adverts in-between were pure indoctrination, don’t get me wrong I know the power of advertising but the adverts were clearly pushing a complete change to our way of life. Needless to say the tutting didn’t go down to well with the OH.

267421 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip., #439 of 2327 🔗

I used to enjoy MasterChef after it first returned in its’ new format (after Lloyd Grossman), but I remember being in a BBC chatroom complaining along everyone else about the narrator.

267862 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #440 of 2327 🔗

Sorry but you aren’t a miserable sod i don’t even have a tv.

268476 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Fingerache Philip., #441 of 2327 🔗

Never watched any of those programmes either. Or Big Brother, The Apprentice and the rest of the reality crap. I see morons in the street every day, don’t want then on my telly. In any case I didn’t renew my TV licence three months ago and feel rather cleansed.

269151 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #442 of 2327 🔗

I get the same disbelief as i dont watch any of them…they are just porn for the brain dead. Thats why we are in this mess…most people are brain dead.

269157 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., #443 of 2327 🔗

I don’t have a television

267267 Tom Blackburn, #444 of 2327 🔗

Financial Times: Doubts raised over AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine data.

267268 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 7, #445 of 2327 🔗

First end of March 2020, then Summer 2020, then Christmas 2020, then March 2021, then Summer 2021. Let’s be clear. Fergusons modelling ran for two years, the Coronavirus Act expires in March 2022. Restrictions of some kind will exist until spring 2022, and that is the absolute MINIMUM.

267284 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 11, #446 of 2327 🔗

Only if we let them.

267273 Bart Simpson, 9, #447 of 2327 🔗

As always a great interview with Neil Oliver:


Neil was very spot on about how the SNP and many Scots view the English. When I lived there I noticed that many of them were “friendly” towards certain foreign nationalities but as Mr Bart cynically pointed out (ans he’s Scottish) they’re white and their nationality is acceptable to them.

They certainly don’t like Scots like Neil Oliver or my husband who deviate from the orthodoxy. During the run up to the referendum the way the likes of Chris Hoy and Susan Boyle were abused for their unionist stance was appalling.

267275 Dan Clarke, 4, #448 of 2327 🔗

Its obvious its nothing about a low mortality virus. So was this the ‘new normal’ they talked about. We need new parties, liblabCON should be consigned to the dustbin

267291 Leemc23, 3, #449 of 2327 🔗


It’s back baby

Does anyone have access to Prof Pants down on Twatter ? Is it possible to send the link and ask him when he will be reviewing his model following this paper .

267292 p02099003, #450 of 2327 🔗

Suddenly all these experts come out of the woodwork saying things like don’t kiss your granparents as you may be passing on a large dose of virus.

267295 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #451 of 2327 🔗

The businesses and shops who put notices saying No mask No entry are complicit. They should welcome people wearing masks and using exemptions and should make it clear.

267304 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #452 of 2327 🔗

No entry, no customers. They need boycotting. They are also breaking the law by stopping exempt people enetering, its discriminating.

If the owner is afraid (assuming independent) they should close, hide away from the beastly virus.

267308 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Kev, 7, #453 of 2327 🔗

Yep. There are plenty of shops and pubs that I won’t ever be frequenting again because of the attitude of their owners/employees.

267309 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Kev, 4, #454 of 2327 🔗

In the same way that they think a piece of cloth is a gas mask, and that guidance is law, they think they will get sued if someone catches the virus in their shop. Which can easily be proved, of course…

267319 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #455 of 2327 🔗

Agree. Have been boycotting those that have “no mask no entry” or those who have bullied and harassed customers for not wearing a mask.

If they treat their customers like lepers then we should reciprocate by avoiding them like the plague. See how they like that.

267328 ▶▶ steph, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #456 of 2327 🔗

Thankfully I’ve never seen one of those yet. There are plenty which don’t mention exemptions though. I am still nervous going into any premises these days but so far nobody has challenged me and my lanyard is in my bag, never worn.
I do follow the arrows and keep my distance and am constantly amazed by how mask wearers think they don’t have to. My last 2 trips to the M&S attached to our local service station I was nearly knocked over by a mask wearer striding the wrong way up the aisle.

268487 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steph, 1, #457 of 2327 🔗

I’ve noticed that too – many mask wearers seem to think they’re invincible.

Not been challenged for awhile now and I notice that many shops have removed their dots, one ways systems and even the hand sanitisers now are tucked away discreetly. No-one seems to bother with them anymore.

Definitely more shop staff not wearing muzzles.

267340 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #458 of 2327 🔗

One farm supplies shop round here has gone full on zealot with a huge sign of that next to two sheets of apparent “rules”.

267380 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #459 of 2327 🔗

Yeah I already got a list of local shops I will never use again

267430 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #460 of 2327 🔗

Mu local health food shop, run by a lovely French couple, has a sign unmasked customers welcome.

267297 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #461 of 2327 🔗

R2 news just now: “Wancock expected to announce this afternoon that most areas will be in Tier 2 or 3 from next week”. Well, blow me down. Never saw that coming. Still, they finished with a joke: Sunak says “There will be a tangible change from the present stuation”. Not round here, mate, never felt a thing. And who are you again, sorry?

267313 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #462 of 2327 🔗

Tier 1 will be the new normal, to which we may return when the vaccine is widely rolled out.

Distancing, masks, track and trace, mass testing, everything being pre-booked, restrictions on mass spectator events and crowded pubs, dancing, big private gatherings, travel, health passports, online learning, will be with us forever.

267378 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Julian, 2, #463 of 2327 🔗

They won’t because people won’t accept it. Even the gullible. Not enough of them and not passionately enough to resist the resistance

267429 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Julian, 3, #464 of 2327 🔗

That’s what they want. And they might still get it.

What gives me some hope, though, is that I really think the majority of pro-lockdowners really do think the vaccine will mean back to old normal. And when they realise it isn’t, they might (possibly) wake up.

267303 Steve Martindale, #465 of 2327 🔗

There are so many links and references I cannot always find stuff, does anyone recall some discussion about the long distance transmission of SARS-Cov2 in the wind?

267321 Tyneside Tigress, 2, #467 of 2327 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted. Late yesterday, while everyone has been focusing on the Oxford/AZ vaccine and its ‘dodgy science’, seems all is not going exactly to plan for the Pfizer vaccine either:

Doctors Warn Side Effects From COVID-19 Vaccine “Won’t Be A Walk In The Park” | Zero Hedge

267323 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 7, #468 of 2327 🔗

I believe this nazi Klaus worldwide green reset thing supposedly to be brought in under the pretense of a global plague has back fired, simply, the old corona has not killed enough people and the populations have/are waking up to this mass fraud inflicted on freedoms. The elites were prematurely brazen in March, emboldened and arose from their hellish chambers far too soon -it is still a battle for us but the fear in the eyes of the establishment will become more apparent. #headswillroll

267336 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to nickbowes, 2, #469 of 2327 🔗

They got their timings wrong, for instance lockdown 2.0 here was clearly timed wrong as most stats were showing reductions in numbers before it started.

267374 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to nickbowes, 4, #470 of 2327 🔗

It is looking more and more like a failed coup. Fight isn’t over by any means, but they’ve got it wrong and it will back fire. Le Penn will win France and the EU will start to fall apart. People will start to question climate change because they’ll realise scientific consensus can be a scam after all.

I still think they may have a nuclear option up their sleeve – a new virus perhaps? But at the moment it looks a bit like they went too early and it’s all going to come crashing down. Might take another year, but bar very, very risky further pressure through mass murder (which I wouldn’t out past them and which I couldn’t even picture myself giving credibility to six months ago) I think they are fucked.

267404 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #471 of 2327 🔗

I wish I could agree, but it’s looking more and more like a hugely successful global coup. A coup that’s managed to hoodwink most of humanity (thanks to the mainstream media and human stupidity)

Germany, France and much of the world is descending into totalitarianism. The fascist psycho Premier of Victoria, Australia Daniel Andrews, is promising new lockdowns in the future, even though ‘cases’ are miniscule. A huge high tech vaccine factory is being built in Melbourne. I’m not hopeful unfortunately

267545 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Ben, -1, #472 of 2327 🔗

It still relies on keeping people afraid long term. I’m not sure – short of literally committing genocide. – that that is possible. For a year? Maybe. But in order to complete the coup they would have to remove elections and at that point I think even the idiots that make up the majority of our population would wake up. And if they didn’t here, they definitely would in the US. Biden – with all the things in his favour from a self-destructive sitting president, to fraud, to censorship, to a fear-riddled public – still didn’t gain control of all the pillars of government. A more level-headed populist candidate would have wiped the floor with him. There’s still hope.

267648 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #473 of 2327 🔗

American elections are the height of corruption, but Biden and the Democrats frighten me. They’re totally on board with face masks and the Great Reset malarkey

267476 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jakehadlee, #474 of 2327 🔗

Hasn’t Gates been on about smallpox coming back recently?

268088 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #475 of 2327 🔗

A pox on Gates.

267579 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Jakehadlee, #476 of 2327 🔗

Herr Schwab has warned of an internet virus attack. I fear this would be easier than a human virus to get going and could have devastating effects on infrastructure (real or faked) giving a fine excuse for martial law etc and when it comes back a closed internet with any dissenting channels shut down.

268092 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Andy Riley, #477 of 2327 🔗

Kancel Klaus’s internet.

267397 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to nickbowes, 1, #478 of 2327 🔗

I keep thinking – at least we’ll have a good laugh if it finally emerges Klaus is a full on Nazi.

By the way, a little known fact: MrAH was motivated by v similar thinking to XR and the WEF – that unless he took action, the world would collapse into an abiotic state, collective death. It was never clear quite how this was supposed too happen, but then again XR nutters can’t explain how “extinction” is going to happen in five years.

267325 Biker, replying to Biker, 7, #479 of 2327 🔗

None of it matters anymore. We can’t stop it. The virus is just the cover story for turning off the engine. It’s being done to save humans in the long term. We can’t burn fossil fuels anymore, that’s it. I won’t be protesting, i don’t care if Toby does or not, Hitchens doesn’t matter. You, me everyone are going to live in a new society where we will be forced to become the production not the consumption. There are way too many people and they all want to burn fossil fuels, aint gonna happen.
When the Royals are telling you how we need to go “green” what they’re saying is we’ve noticed the plastic in our fresh Trout we caught up at Balmoral and it’s just not acceptable. That and the change in our atmosphere resulting in the meting of the ice caps leading to the warming of the earth and since the growing of food depends on a few inches of top soil this is not a good thing. So it’s gonna change. Like it or not. The garbage party is over. Good. Who isn’t glad that we’re smart enough to realise that burning up the earth to make shit we don’t need to sell to people who don’t need it who have to work factory hour jobs to buy it, who fucking likes living like that? Wait don’t answer, most people are state educated and they’ll be just fucking dandy with it, others will go it’s all fake and Biker is being duped by “environmentalists”. I’m not sure whom i despise more, the compliant because it’s easy or the dumb fucks who think the earth being destroyed is fake. Anyhow it matters not a jot what you think, the closing for business is underway. We’ll be less well harmed than others but it will still be devastating. We will soon be living like it was in 1850.
The virus is a distraction so all the talk, the rants, the jokes, the insults, the graphs, the hopes, the fears, the fantasies and the time count for nothing. If you don’t have the skills for living how humans are meant to live on this earth you’re fucked. This isn’t going to happen over some long period of time by the way, it’s happening now. By 2030 you won’t recognise the place. This is the plane coming into land and it’s getting a bit bumpy but when it hits the runway the wheels are off and it’s anyone’s guess what’s gonna happen.

267338 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Biker, 4, #480 of 2327 🔗

Some of the happiest times I had were in the 1850’s

267355 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 1, #481 of 2327 🔗

i’m with you, 1200 was my favourite, i loved being a Templar Knight and invading Israel and giving it to the Muslims. That really pissed them off. Just did it for a laugh as well. What did us Knights care about bullshit religion? It was amazing watching them spend 800 years getting the resources together to get it back. Well done them.

267392 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Biker, 2, #482 of 2327 🔗

I was able to get into the 1850 World Cup Final without even buying a ticket, just turned up and had a seat in corporate

268657 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, #483 of 2327 🔗

There wasn’t a world cup in 1850 but it was when the F1 first started

267343 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Biker, 1, #484 of 2327 🔗

Not in China mate.

Domestic air travel has already recovered and is growing year on year.

267356 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Biker, 3, #485 of 2327 🔗

Perhaps that ‘highly respected private School’ did not create the superior being that you assume yourself to be.

This is not about saving the planet any more then it is about saving people from a virus. It is entirely about impoverishing and therefore enslaving everyone. It does not matter which justification you buy into as long as you buy in.

268647 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Saved To Death, #486 of 2327 🔗

i don’t consider myself superior, i consider myself a speck of dust mate. Or someone who pays their own way and takes fuck all from anyone.

267425 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Biker, 3, #487 of 2327 🔗

I must admit I prefer the old Biker rather than this Greta’d version

268651 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to TyRade, #488 of 2327 🔗

You can hide from the environmental damage all you like but it won’t change the facts.

268796 ▶▶▶▶ DJC, replying to Biker, #489 of 2327 🔗

Finding out that Biker is actually a climate nut is quite revealing….

267453 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 1, #490 of 2327 🔗

Yeap, I have to say yet again that I 100% agree with this. There is not stopping them ( see agenda 2030)and the time for talk was around 7 months ago..All this is now just pissing in the wind and the sooner we get accept that we will live like slaves for the rest of their lives ( seen the video from WEF , you know the one that starts with 2030, you will own nothing and you will be happy)..The Global warming si the biggest scamm in history but that will not stop the NWO.

267330 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #491 of 2327 🔗

The Rapists Dad, Sadist in Chief, and Refuser of Welsh Children’s Winter Clothing has started pumping his gums again

This guy is too stupid to know when he should keep his gob shut

267393 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 1, #492 of 2327 🔗

I read about a woman in Wales who threw herself from a motorway bridge. She’d become depressed from lockdown. I wonder if Drakeford knows, and if so, does he care?

267400 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, #493 of 2327 🔗

Yoi referring to old Turtle Head? He should wind it in.

267334 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #494 of 2327 🔗

Thank you to all my FS’s who replied and commented on my piece about “Strictly”, etc.
I really appreciate the thoughts and the efforts that people take to reply to my “rants”.
If it wasn’t for LS and Talk radio; and I’m left-wing but I value common sense more than my political view point, I think that I would by now be dressing up as Napoleon and making plans to conquer the world.

267383 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #495 of 2327 🔗

On the subject of TV I can recommend “The Bureau” – French spy series full of people smoking and shagging, and being generally ruthless. Very little fake niceness or virtue signalling or overt political preaching. On Amazon, so no ads to worry about

267403 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Julian, #496 of 2327 🔗

Thank you.

268102 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #497 of 2327 🔗

Is the full title The Bureau of Magical Things?

267571 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #498 of 2327 🔗

imposter …. i am Napoleon.. I have the appropriate hat and Marengo is nibbling grass on the lawn waiting to go . Spain sounds nice this time of year.

267686 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mjr, #499 of 2327 🔗

I wouldn’t bother with Moscow though.

267335 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 7, #500 of 2327 🔗

Apparently the Treasury will be saving upwards of £600million a year as a result of the excess elderly deaths this year (not having to pay their pensions). Is this something that was known by the Cabinet earlier in the year and if so would it not point to misfeasance in public office to sign off on the NHS pushing elderly patients back into care homes with a reasonable expectation of increased deaths as a result?

267362 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to vargas99, 4, #501 of 2327 🔗

It may take years, but I think there’s going to be an equivalent of the nuremberg trials and these people that knowingly signed the orders will have their day in court and years in prison.

267415 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Anothersceptic2, #502 of 2327 🔗

I’m not so sure, they are all slippery fuckers. Even Blair, who should have been a slam dunk for imprisonment, is still on the loose.

267539 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #503 of 2327 🔗

One can only hope, although why waste more money on a trial when their guilt is self-evident.

I crunched some numbers about such matters earlier. I have run them through the Imperial College computers and they all check out.

Assume it is all over by Spring – unlikely, but you have got to start from somewhere. So that is one year the Downing St dictator has taken from everybody’s life.

The average life span is 80 years.

The average sentence for taking life is 20 years.

The rough UK population is 60 million.

The law take 20 years of life away from every murderer. The fat dictator hasn’t (yet) taken the whole of our lives away only 1 year so, 20/80 = 0.25 years is what he owes us for that.

Multiply this by 60 million and you get 15 million years as a fair sentence.

With time off for good behaviour he could get out after 10 million years. We will still be fighting coronaviruses then, but at least we won’t have to fight the ignorant dictator at the same time.

Of course if you felt extremely vindictive you could use similar calculations to add extra time for the money he is intending to steal from us, or even for the GBH inflicted by his police forces on peaceful protesters or for the slaughter of the elderly in care homes, it all adds up.

In the end it means that 10 million years from now we will not have to face life with Johnson the Brave in charge. A chilling fact remains though that he may have a multitude of equally vapid and insane descendants by then, so maybe Mr Gates ideas about eugenics are not so bad after all.

267387 ▶▶ Ben, replying to vargas99, 1, #504 of 2327 🔗

Chilling. That’s what this is all about. A slaughter in plain view. The Liverpool Care Pathway is the same. I think it’s since been renamed with another nazi-esque euphemism

267337 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 4, #505 of 2327 🔗

‘He accused a ‘supine’ government of capitulating to ‘junk science, doubtful statistics and unwarranted assertions by the medical profession’.
The occasion?
Lord Stoddart of Swindon, who was a non-smoker, speaking about the ban on smoking in public places in 2007.
I do not like smoking and, apart from acting on stage, do not smoke, but I oppose any ban on it; minor threats to my health cannot override your freedom.
I think I will send this to Toby and Will for inclusion above the line. My immediate source is the Daily Telegraph, of 25 November, o bituary column.

267382 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Stephanos, 1, #506 of 2327 🔗

Breathing smoke-free air is also a right. Both sides have a right to smoke and a right to breathe fresh air. Smoke-filled air is not fresh air unfortunately. Catering for both sides is the answer.

Incidentally, passive smoking is a real thing. Decades ago at a health check, my father was told to cut back on smoking. He didn’t smoke but he worked in a staff room full of smokers. The smoking situation is a poor analogy for Covid.

267457 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Ben, #507 of 2327 🔗

To say I disagree would be mild.
However, one regulation I would like to see is smoking permitted indoors provided there is an open fire. I do not how this works but I have found that when there is an open fire the acridness of tobacco smoke disappears completely. We used to own a small holiday cottage in North Wales and that had open fires; I didn’t smoke but my builder did and whenever he came to discuss something he would light up and the tobacco smoke would disappear. I do not know how this works, but I can assure you it does.
Also, I have tried pipe smoking and cigarette smoking (for parts on the amateur stage) and I can understand the pleasure of pipe smoking. But I cannot understand cigarette smoking at all; highly unpleasant.
But I do not want to ban it. I believe in freedom.

267662 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 4, #508 of 2327 🔗

I’m an ex-smoker. With the ‘ex-‘ bit has come a realization of how intrusive smoking actually is in shared environments – so it can’t be reduced simply to an issue of ‘freedom’, any more than a ‘freedom’ to intrude on my neighbour with loud noise.

I invest no virtue in non-smoking. It is just a fact that it can be an intrusive nuisance.

268434 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, #509 of 2327 🔗

A “right to fresh air” is a fantasy. It’s a bit like a “right to have food to eat”.

Nevertheless, the reality is that the disagreement between smokers and people who dislike being around smoking is one that has to be resolved in a society. A law allowing property owners to ban smoking, and requiring them to advertise their rules at the door, say, would have been fine. Laws forbidding property owners from allowing smoking on their premises is a disgraceful breach of basic rights.

Regrettably the latter is what we got, because zealots don’t care about the rights of those they regard as bad or foolish people.

267347 Back To Normal, replying to Back To Normal, 1, #510 of 2327 🔗

Apologies if I have missed this, but did the pan-bashing protest idea gain any momentum? I don’t use twitter and not followed these comments fully, but remember seeing a suggestion about Thursday 7pm bashing pans for freedom.

267376 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Back To Normal, 1, #511 of 2327 🔗

I actually dreamt last night that I was banging a pan out of my window.

267350 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #512 of 2327 🔗

Are we to get negative interest rates or rampant inflation?

Answers on a postcard please

267363 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cecil B, #513 of 2327 🔗

Depends how easily they can steal all of our money? Negative interest rates will take care of anyone savings and rampant inflation will mean no-one has any money anymore. So both!

267386 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anothersceptic2, #514 of 2327 🔗

Can you both at the same time?

267395 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Cecil B, #515 of 2327 🔗

We may be about to find out!

Negative interest rates were until recently a fictional and crazy idea.

267419 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Cecil B, #516 of 2327 🔗

Yes, I think – Stagflation. Japan is prone to it. Japan actually gives me some hope, though. It has loads and loads of debt. Is less productive than people think it is. Has things like stagflation. Very old population with lots of dependants. But, is also very successful and wealthy. Maybe we can bluster our way through this?

268035 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to kenadams, #517 of 2327 🔗

Japan has a persistent current account surplus. No matter how much they print, there’s always a bid for the Yen. At least for now.

Not so, the UK. Sterling is dependent on foreigners recycling our persistent net currency emissions into UK financial assets and real estate. If those sterilization flows ever reverse (and they may do so at any moment), sterling will continue its ongoing collapse.

267390 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cecil B, #518 of 2327 🔗

Rampant, that is, hyper inflation.

267353 LS99, 3, #519 of 2327 🔗

Great cartoon today. The young people of this country have been massively betrayed.

267358 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #520 of 2327 🔗

From an NHS whistleblower.

NHS COVID Vaccination Programme – Communications Resource Pack

“Begin to socialise and generate interest in/excitement for a vaccine using your internal channels”


The digital NVIS system is currently being used to capture flu vaccine information. It will also be used tp track vaccination status of staff for the COVID-19 vaccine ….. and will be used to support vaccine planning and response activities, both locally and nationally…..

267369 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 1, #521 of 2327 🔗

That’s horrifying for the cunning use of language. I’m afraid of the NHS – never thought I’d say that

267407 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ben, 2, #522 of 2327 🔗

Yes. Be afraid. It’s not just a health care system, it’s a political platform.

267678 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Leemc23, 2, #523 of 2327 🔗

Its a No Healthcare System

267359 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 2, #524 of 2327 🔗

Re vaccines, and somebody please correct me, but as I understand it, this novel coronavirus covid 19, has yet to be isolated, apparently there is “no example of quantified isolates of the coronna virus”….

267361 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to yohodi, #525 of 2327 🔗


267364 Victoria, replying to Victoria, #526 of 2327 🔗

Sunak says UK economic decline expected to be 11.3% this year: that’d be the second-sharpest in Europe


see lovely red bar 2ND from BOTTOM

267373 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Victoria, 1, #527 of 2327 🔗

Two ways they could look at that:

  1. The cost of our actions are too high. We should reconsider.
  2. The cost of our actions are necessary to keep the virus under control. We must keep it up.

One of them is sensible and the other is what they’ve chosen to do. This doesn’t take into account all the other costs to lives and livelihoods.

267456 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 1, #528 of 2327 🔗

I’d snap his hand off for a mere 11.3% …

267365 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #529 of 2327 🔗

Dear lock

If you supported the lockdowns, shut the hell up about the reckoning By Laura Perrins
November 26, 2020

In the comments section on this piece there is a photo of Matt Hancock meeting Klaus Schwab at Davos – VERY SINISTER

TWITTER Darren of Plymouth 🇬🇧 @DarrenPlymouth
16 Nov

Klaus Schwab and Matt Hancock at Davos , they discussed the 4th Industrial Revolution. (2018)

We know it as a conspiracy called #TheGreatReset


267370 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #530 of 2327 🔗

They still don’t get it. The Tories face a landslide defeat ……

They = Conservatives


267417 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 3, #531 of 2327 🔗

Who to, Labour? Two cheeks of the same arse.

267519 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to leggy, 3, #532 of 2327 🔗

All the major parties seem to have an incredibly similar globalist Davos technocratic view of the world. I think independent candidates are the only real way forward after this year.

Plus the Establishment seems to have a mind of its own now, do MPs even matter?

267503 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Victoria, #533 of 2327 🔗

A free and fair election? What a quaint notion!

267371 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 2, #534 of 2327 🔗

Worth watching, speaking at an anti lockdown event in Sheffield, she grew up under Soviet rule so understands the propaganda aspect.

Tanya Klymenko PHD Molecular Biology Senior Lecturer in Biomedical Sciences at Sheffield Hallam

267616 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, 1, #535 of 2327 🔗

Interesting. I note that she does think that the disappearance of influenza is a real phenomenon rather than a data artifact.

267634 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to RickH, #536 of 2327 🔗

And she has a PhD…. most contributors on this site knows more than her

267375 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #537 of 2327 🔗

I suppose the financial system will collapse through trust, QE or unserviceable debts

Just wondering what’s best new currency? Cigarettes, eggs? How many eggs for a packet of cigarettes?

267379 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to steve_w, 1, #538 of 2327 🔗

Four chicken or two duck. make me an offer

267381 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steve_w, 1, #539 of 2327 🔗

It always used to be cattle. There are plenty of those around.

267448 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #540 of 2327 🔗

gold/silver never go amiss. easier to carry around than cattle … 🙂

also cigs, spirits, dubious pharmaceuticals, …

267474 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to steve_w, 1, #541 of 2327 🔗

Just wondering what’s best new currency?

Face masks?

267497 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to steve_w, #542 of 2327 🔗

It has been clear that the financial system will collapse for a very long time. There are many people who have been working on systems that could replace it and return more control to the people who use it. We have such systems, cryptocurrency.

The collapse of the current financial system could ultimately be a very good thing for most but it seems those who own it have no intention to relinquish their power and are doing everything they can to make the peaceful revolution impossible.

268510 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Saved To Death, #543 of 2327 🔗

Not only crypto – Lewes has its own paper currency.

267377 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #544 of 2327 🔗

We are asked to believe that the regimes command team fell apart because Princess Nut Nuts was refused extra sprinkles on her cup cakes


So what happened?

What caused Cummings and Cain to jump ship

Why have Rutherford and Aaronson disappeared?

Why won’t the Pig Dictator come out to play?

Was it the realisation that the whole nine month shit show was based on false positive PCR tests?

Ironically a win for Simon Dolan could offer an escape route for the PD

267427 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Cecil B, 4, #545 of 2327 🔗

Like many i was prepared to give boris a chance a year ago but at the time could not and did not vote for him . I simply do not trust tory scum. I loathe the man and wish Mussolini type lynching on both him and that repellent reptile hancock.

267385 Liam, replying to Liam, 15, #546 of 2327 🔗

One country that hasn’t had a lot of attention during this madness is Japan. Reading up a little on their response, it’s been very low key and not backed up with legal penalties or fines. Lockdownistas will probably respond with lazy Orientalist cliches about conformity, mask wearing, natural reserve etc, but I can only suggest such people have never witnessed the mass drinking festival that is Tokyo every Friday night. Also, the Japanese simply haven’t bothered with the “muh tesssting” fetish. Here’s Dr Shigeru Omi, chair of the government’s expert committee on the virus, and by the sounds of it a very sensible sort:

“If you are ready to use an excessively large amount of money then [mass testing] is possible, but it’s not really practical,” said Dr Omi. He added that the tests were imperfect so there would be a significant level of false positives — people forced to isolate even though they did not have the virus — and false negatives who were infected but would believe themselves to be safe. “Does [mass screening] lead to decreasing the level of infection?” he said. “No. It’s very minimal. If you screen this very low-risk population it will not result in a reduction in cases.”

267396 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Liam, 10, #547 of 2327 🔗

Bad form to reply to my own comment I know, but I would be inclined to look at very low levels of obesity in Japan, a diet very rich in foods high in Vitamin D, and pre-existing immunity from previous SARS-type outbreaks in the region.

267406 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Liam, 1, #548 of 2327 🔗

I think another critical difference is the structure of the healthcare system. Perhaps it is less prone to the type of group think that leads to the blind acceptance of murderous treatment protocols from the WHO and the propagation of hysteria.

267436 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Saved To Death, #549 of 2327 🔗

Hi sorry replied to TyRade on your point below.

267444 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Liam, 7, #550 of 2327 🔗

I have a feeling that eventually it will be found that most of the excess deaths attributed to the virus were the result of medical negligence.

If it was up to me we would shut down the NHS and replace it with a system based on the Japanese model. Those who have been pushing for lockdown as the way to treat a mild virus would be bared from working in the new system.

267408 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Liam, 2, #551 of 2327 🔗

Perhaps they are only counting those who die ‘of’ and not also ‘with’ C-19.

The figures mean nothing without knowing the exact methodologies which are used to count ‘deaths’ and ‘cases’.

267416 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, #552 of 2327 🔗

Very true.

267411 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Liam, #553 of 2327 🔗

and a relative absence of ethnic ‘others’ who are (genetically, lifestyle-wise) pre-disposed to COVID susceptibility.

267422 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to TyRade, 4, #554 of 2327 🔗

This from May of this year:

“In Japan there is no illusion that health care is free; people can see exactly how much they are paying when the tax demand arrives; and, on top of that, they need to get their wallets out when they actually use it. And the cost is considerable (my annual bill was £5,000 pounds last year).
What’s more, the insurance system, introduced in the early 1960s, is not weighed down by any sentimental nation building mythology. As a result, criticism is not deemed heretical. The idea of applauding the nation’s doctors and nurses, hard working people in a nation of hard working people, would be regarded as absurd.
This practical, unemotional, outlook discourages overheated rhetoric and probably leads to more rational decision-making. Unlike the UK, Japan has not put its health service on a ‘war footing’, and the production lines of existing hospitals have not been re-tooled to deal with a single product. Treatment of other conditions has not been seriously impacted.”


267434 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Liam, #555 of 2327 🔗

Sorry was meant to be a reply to Saved to Death!

267431 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to TyRade, 1, #556 of 2327 🔗

Yes even in the heart of Tokyo it’s an amazingly homogenous country, and the permanent foreign residents are mostly Korean, indistinguishable to the Western eye and very similar genetically.

267470 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Liam, 1, #557 of 2327 🔗

And yet there are intelligent people about who actually seem to believe that there’s no really significant difference in their immigration situation from ours, because there are some people of Korean ancestry there!

We (speaking of the US sphere countries in general) were heavily indoctrinated during the C20th to “know” untruths like “diversity is good” and “homogeneity is bad”, when in fact, while there can be benefits to a degree of diversity, the core strength of a nation is precisely its cultural homogeneity. That’s why it’s a nation and an empire is not.

Anyone who asserts that”diversity is good” or the equivalent is part of the problem, pushing in the direction in which we have already gone far too far rather than applying the brakes.

267552 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, #558 of 2327 🔗

Japan tells us a lot. Excellent quote on T and T.

The lockdown fanatics have T and T as their get out carrot. Just 3 weeks, throw more billions at it and call ourselves New Zealand.

It’s absolutely crazy. No lessons learned. Like Labour constantly repeating the line that if only we’d locked down in 2014 we’d be in a better place. They haven’t learnt a thing since February.

I think they are just digging themselves deeper an deeper. Unable to admit mistakes. Same as all lockdown zealots.

I get why those invested in Pharma like those that lead us enjoy advocating lockdowns as it boosts the vaccine desires. And ££££. However, why people seek to live in fear when the sceptics provide the positive message I do not know. They just can’t change.

267690 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Liam, 2, #559 of 2327 🔗

All factors, most likely yes. Diets in Japan also contain generally high levels of things like Omega 3’s, essential fatty acids, largely from fish and seafood, but all good stuff generally for the immune system.

Another factor I suspect – look at how they treat their elders. Watch almost any travel programme, look at their ancient traditions – anything to do with cultures, or things like martial arts – the most respected are invariably the older generation, they are looked up to, and taken care of pretty well. Over here (and to be fair, not just us, many western countries) they would have you put out to pasture once you get past a certain age. Emily Morgan on ITV gently suggested older people ‘broach the conversation’ about pulling the plug if they get ill in hospital, in case they took up space & medical care from a gender-neutral trendy young progressive. Just look at the TV ads aimed at older generations: nothing but funeral plans, incontinence products, & how easy it could be to give up a portion of your house….

268741 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liam, #560 of 2327 🔗

And they don’t really have multi-generational households either because housing is expensive. Families will likely live near the aged parent but they won’t be living together in the same house.

267418 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Liam, 1, #561 of 2327 🔗

Sadly I hear from my sources that they are all wearing masks (though I think it is peer pressure, not law) and offices are operating at reduced capacity. My source at least thinks it is a “big thing”, but I do not know to what extent that view is shared by the general population.

267428 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Julian, 1, #562 of 2327 🔗

I’ve no doubt not everything there is rosy, but the wider response seems far saner than ours. Globally there’re only Belarus and Tanzania that have put their foot down entirely against the madness.

267450 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Liam, 3, #563 of 2327 🔗

Indeed so – at least a sceptic in Japan would only need to deal with peer pressure rather than being persecuted by their own government.

I think South Dakota came pretty close to putting their foot down entirely.

267632 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, 1, #564 of 2327 🔗

Mask wearing in Japan, certainly in certain parts, has I think sometimes to do with cultural reasons, some to do with pollution, they can get build ups of smog sometimes. So I think covid is probably only one factor in the equation.

268076 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Liam, #565 of 2327 🔗

A Japanese friend said they have semi-compulsory annual medical exams due to the fact that the employer typically pays most of the insurance premium and expects people to comply. There’s also a lot of ‘fat shaming’ there and very few obese people.

268532 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Liam, #566 of 2327 🔗

Also some interesting studies on the effects of BCG vaccination in Japan:

‘The BCG vaccine coverage in 1999–2002, 2004, and 2012 in five prefectures with no COVID-19 infections was significantly higher than that in five prefectures with a high prevalence of infections.’

‘Our findings suggest that routine infant BCG vaccination coverage in young generation had a significant impact on prevention of local COVID-19 spread in Japan.’


And elsewhere:

‘In multiple studies comparing the effect of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) worldwide, findings thus far suggest lower rates of infection and mortality in countries with universal neonatal Bacille Calmette-Guérin (BCG) tuberculosis vaccination policies compared with countries without this practice.

In research published in July 2020, every 10% increase in the BCG index (which reflects the extent of a country’s BCG vaccination) was associated with a 10.4% reduction in mortality from COVID-19.’


Phase 3 trials of BCG vaccine protection against Covid 19 for health workers are ongoing, funded by Murdoch and Gates foundations.

Might offer a face saving way out of all this silliness (BCG vaccine proven to be safe), and BCG boosters might help even the already vaccinated elderly since the protection wears off after 60 years or so. Might even be a better idea as a general anti viral than influenza jabs

267402 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #567 of 2327 🔗

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK: 26 November 2020


Incidence has been falling in previous weeks from before the lockdown but no incidence figure for England this week because

This week, there have been some issues with the data from one of the laboratories, which has introduced greater uncertainty. More details can be found in the notes for sections 2, 6 and 7. Because of the significant amount of quality assurance conducted for estimates of positivity rates, we have not been able to include incidence data this week but it will be available next week as normal.

Another example of why PCR testing is shambolic

267413 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #568 of 2327 🔗

They’ve only had 9 months to get this right. Give them time.

267414 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #569 of 2327 🔗

And how convenient that they will only become available after 2nd December

267424 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #570 of 2327 🔗

The regional variation in prevalence are here. The different regional peaks and some falling/some rising is yet further evidence that lockdowns don’t work

267433 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #571 of 2327 🔗

And the age variation in prevalence is here

267420 Julian, replying to Julian, 14, #572 of 2327 🔗

Peter Hitchens has joined the Free Speech Union


Facebook, like HMG, plainly yearns for actual censorship of dissent. Yes, we should mock this, but we should also worry. Power hates dissent. Free speech is very much in danger. I have just joined the Free Speech Union. @toadmeister

267492 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 5, #573 of 2327 🔗

Good for him. A significant move for him personally because he has said that he struggles to like Toby Young personally or politically. They are both politically on the right, and to some degree the non-authoritarian right, but Toby’s more libertarian inclined than Hitchens. Though I think a lot of the difference is style rather than substance.

But the ongoing rapid advance of attitudes built on the illiberal, intolerant precedents set in the late C20th by the treatment of political incorrectness and traditionalism, like this coronapanic crisis, forces strange fellowships and alliances.

267631 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #574 of 2327 🔗

Not that strange, both on the right, in favour of free speech. Sensible that personal liking is not a factor. Principles rule !

267681 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, #575 of 2327 🔗

Well up to now it appears Hitchens remained rather aloof from the FSU.

But indeed by no means as strange as the ongoing uneasy alliances in here…

267965 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Julian, #576 of 2327 🔗

I joined a few months ago and would recommend it.

267423 Anthony, replying to Anthony, 11, #577 of 2327 🔗

High hopes for Dr Borger’s deconstruction of the PCR test. I think the PCR test should be the focus of any lock-down scepticism. If it can become common knowledge that this test is completely unfit for purpose then government will have no choice but to move to antigen testing (which we know has a much lower positive rate). Get rid of the ‘cases’ and they’ll find it difficult to justify further restrictions.

267481 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Anthony, 2, #578 of 2327 🔗

As has been said for months, remove the notion of cases and it would be akin to a bad flu year, just without the economic devastation!

267524 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anthony, 2, #579 of 2327 🔗

Absolutely agree. However the PCR goes beyond the reduction of casesif it is binned. It so glaringly unfit for purpose that the question then has to be asked why did we allow it?

And that is the real can of worms. That is where we see people who either knew it was a nonsense and kept quiet. Or, if they manage to squirm out of the first trap, those who said they are not experts in PCR and referred its use to others (PHE perhaps).

That shows them to be unprofessional and many in SAGE will fall into this category. Willfully ignorant. Hancock too.

I think if it gets to court, it’ll have huge ramifications and fall out. They’ll be back stabbing galore.

267581 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Anthony, #580 of 2327 🔗

Won’t they just move the goalposts? So if 200-odd PCR cases per 100,000 panics them into Tier 3000, and the lateral flows only find half the cases, they will just use 100 cases per 100,000 to trigger the same alert.

267435 Taitster79, 1, #581 of 2327 🔗

I work in the care sector, at a care home which looks after adults with autism and challenging behaviours – i would like to share my story with Lockdown Sceptics, as i am being forced out of my job, due to declining a weekly COVID 19 test and being mask exempt – how do i do this ? It would be great to hear from people who read my story and can potentially help or give advice ! Thanks in advance

267438 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 32, #582 of 2327 🔗

Someone (sorry, can’t recall who) said yesterday that it would be an idea to have an identifying badge to display our non-compliance to the bollox. From what I’ve experienced out and about today, we already have it – faces that show expressions.

Exchanged many smiles, knowing looks and “good mornings” while out for a walk earlier. And, to my great delight, overheard two elderly ladies saying it was all a load of nonsense, that they’d lived their lives and wanted to continue doing so without being mollycoddled. They then right royally took the piss out of someone who had warned them not to share a car journey with another friend, just to be on the ‘safe side’. Music to my ears.

267446 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to kh1485, 17, #583 of 2327 🔗

I think people are becoming increasingly worried about the economy, future job losses and unemployment, the reality of having a health passport, e.t.c. that the light switch is finally going on in their brains to realise just how utterly ludicrous this is. Also people have had enough to be told who they can and can not see and hug. It is wearing thin now for many. More and more becoming sceptical.

267461 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Janice21, 11, #584 of 2327 🔗

What astounds me is how long it’s taken them. I was warning back in March that you don’t just press ‘pause’ on the economy with the expectation that it will just magically bounce back. Of course, no-one listened to me. But I pointed out to a couple the other day that their pensions and savings might not be all that secure as they dished out the faux-sympathy to me. Sad that it’s the money that will turn them and not the fact that they’ve had their liberty and freedoms stolen.

267468 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to kh1485, 3, #585 of 2327 🔗

Exactly, when peoples finances are threatened it soon makes them realise! People wont give a shit about Covid over their own money! I actually received an email today from my Marcus Goldman Sachs savings account stating that the interest rate is going down as of 11th December.

267485 ▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Janice21, 1, #586 of 2327 🔗

Me too! The one bright thing from this all for me, though, is it has made me do things I should have been doing anyway. Like getting my savings out of cash and into a mix of stocks, crypto, precious metals etc. All more risky, of course, but so is leaving money in a savings account with high inflation around the corner…

267490 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kenadams, 1, #587 of 2327 🔗

Savings you say??? humm interesting.
What are these savings you speak of?

267520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to kenadams, #588 of 2327 🔗

We have money in premium bonds but unsure yet how they will be affected.

267555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Janice21, #589 of 2327 🔗

Safe in the sense of the government itself would need to go bust for you to lose the money (although that can’t entirely be ruled out now…). But, liable to being in effect massively reduced in value through inflation. No-one has a crystal ball, but it is likely that investments in inflation protected assets (gold is the most popular) are safer for the next couple of years.

268822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janice21, #590 of 2327 🔗

Down to what?

267477 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 2, #591 of 2327 🔗

Frustrating, as we have all been saying the same but be proud to be fully awake

268800 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, #592 of 2327 🔗

Unfortunately where I work the vast majority are still asleep. Many are still going on about “if only people followed the rules” and get upset at people who don’t wear masks or not wear them properly. I think part of the problem is the vast majority of my colleagues are millenials – mummy and daddy can ride to the rescue if they’re made redundant so it doesn’t really matter. I think it will be a rude shock for them if their parents can’t bail them out because either a) they’ve been made redundant themselves and b) their savings and pensions become subject to tax raids and plummets in value.

If they’re thinking that grandpapa and grandmama can help out, I seriously doubt it as well.

267504 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Janice21, 4, #593 of 2327 🔗

The Christmas situation should slip more of the genie out the bottle.

267506 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 7, #594 of 2327 🔗

Just back from the barbers. He was masked up and customers ahead of me. Not a peep from anyone as me and my son were the only ones sans mask. Good chat from the barber who moved his business to his chair in his garage during lockdown, so no skin off his nose.

A good lad. I’ll be putting my money into his business from now on.

267547 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #595 of 2327 🔗

Good stuff but why doesn’t he get rid of the mask. I hear that a lot…’it’s all bollocks’ but they still wear a mask

267565 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 4, #596 of 2327 🔗

Exactly. Whenever I hear that refrain I just say “well, why don’t you ditch the mask?” If everyone who thought it was bollocks did this, it would be over.

267886 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 1, #597 of 2327 🔗

I’ve no idea. They’ve been really brainwashed with the masks.

267575 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, 3, #598 of 2327 🔗

I honestly think the number of people who won’t see their families indoors again until “early Summer” must be vanishingly small. Surely even Wanksock must be aware of this? Or am I overestimating him?

267443 JohnB, replying to JohnB, #599 of 2327 🔗

Any update on the woman arrested outside parliament ?

267498 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, #600 of 2327 🔗

She was beaten and forced into a face nappy in the back of the van, tazered mercilessly and then suffocated.

267543 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Two-Six, 9, #601 of 2327 🔗

Last year (2019) was the 100th anniversary of the Peterloo massacre in Manchster when the armed militia charged into a crowd of men and women protesting for reform and killed at least 9 with many hundreds seriously injured.
Much handwringing and pious statements by politicians at the memorial unveiled last year near St Peters Sq.
A year later the same politicians threaten, with violence, unarmed, mainly frail protesters, and hire mercenary thugs with little command of English (according to witnesses) to carry out the harassment -applauded of course by the BBC and most of the media.
I hate what has happened to this country and am amazed at how quickly the veneer of a civilised, tolerant society has been torn away.

267509 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JohnB, 2, #602 of 2327 🔗

She was dropped from a helicopter at 5,000 feet above the North Sea

267449 Awkward Git, #603 of 2327 🔗

To Rosie:

Links sent via the website contact page.

Wouldn’t work on Safari, used Opera and it said message received.

Anything questions on what is in the folder just ask on the e-mail provided.

267451 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #604 of 2327 🔗

Dr Hillary Jones says that he won’t be spending Christmas with his kids because, blah,blah, blah,blah.

267460 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #605 of 2327 🔗

He’s an arsehole.

267462 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #606 of 2327 🔗

Given his track record, he’ll probably be spending it with someone else’s wife.

267576 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Al T, 2, #607 of 2327 🔗

😅 😅

267473 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #608 of 2327 🔗

He is a wanker just like his mate Piers Morgan.

267500 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #609 of 2327 🔗

He is orange and his teeth glow under UV.

268803 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., #610 of 2327 🔗

No great loss for the kiddies then.

267454 darwinmarcus, #611 of 2327 🔗

It’s all too obvious what this will mean for us regionally. London and the South East will either be in Tier One or the least restricted while the rest of us will be in Tier 3 purgatory. many of us predicted this, which is of course not difficult.

267459 vargas99, 2, #612 of 2327 🔗

Lockdown Tier look up tool at Gov.uk has crashed – more World Beating tech

267463 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 2, #613 of 2327 🔗

Have just read the open letter from the UK medical freedom alliance referred to in the Round-Up above. It’s brilliant. And finally gives me the answer I’ve been seeking to the headlines (or should it be headlies) about efficacy of the vaccines.

‘The public understanding of the term “effective” could be very different from the reality. It is likely to be understood that out of 100 people, 90 of them will become completely immune to SARS-CoV-2 and will not to transmit the virus to their loved ones.

As mentioned in section (III), none of the current Covid Vaccine trials are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths or can determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus.’

267469 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to maggie may, 2, #614 of 2327 🔗

Just to add, we probably all knew this but it’s a very useful explanation to give to those desperate to have a vaccine. There’s a lot of other good information about vaccines and their development in the letter, strongly recommend a read.

267487 ▶▶ Ben, replying to maggie may, 8, #615 of 2327 🔗

It still uses guilt shaming language and invalidates the idea of autonomy. Some people want to live their lives fully, even if that means risk. The medical establishment and government has no right to override bodily autonomy

267624 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Ben, -1, #616 of 2327 🔗

Interesting you got that impression, i thought they made the case very well for fully informing people of risks and that people must be allowed to make their own decisions as to whether to have the vaccine once they have all the information.

267715 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to maggie may, #617 of 2327 🔗

I’m going to decide how much info I need, thanks maggie. I have enough already. Feck ’em.

(‘allowed’ ?!)

267537 ▶▶ RickH, replying to maggie may, #618 of 2327 🔗

Yes – it’s a very good summary of the case for extreme wariness that a lot of people seem totally oblivious of.

267472 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 3, #619 of 2327 🔗

Birmingham tier 3. Holy fuck. That’s that city wiped out then.

267482 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Leemc23, #620 of 2327 🔗

Is that the wider West Midlands as well?

267475 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #621 of 2327 🔗

MH saying the lockdown has “successfully turned the curve”. I am hoping beyond hope that he’s going to get a serious backlash from backbenchers when he finishes his statement.

267479 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #622 of 2327 🔗

But lockdown did fuck all. And the net result is still tens of millions of people unable to even have a cup of tea with each other indoors. How is that a success. Someone please shoot him in his nut sack.

267508 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Leemc23, #623 of 2327 🔗

Twice, slowly

267612 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 1, #624 of 2327 🔗

As long as they eventually move on to a more lethal target area, I’m ok with that.

267484 ▶▶ Will, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #625 of 2327 🔗

God he is a fucking liar.

267478 Tom Blackburn, #626 of 2327 🔗

Wanksock blithering on about numbers of nurses and “allowing” Christmas….

267480 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #627 of 2327 🔗

Latest from the Crowhouse with Max Igan. Always worth a watch.


267501 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, #628 of 2327 🔗

Got to feel sorry for him. A very rare voice of sanity in the Australian police state.

267661 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, #629 of 2327 🔗


267488 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #630 of 2327 🔗

Hopefully this will concentrate minds: if you want to get into Tier 1 don’t get tested

267493 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #631 of 2327 🔗

I wish there was a way to get to Tier 0 or even further if possible

Maybe Tier -4 is paradise on earth

267559 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #632 of 2327 🔗

Sunlit Uplands???

267553 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #633 of 2327 🔗

That’s the problem. The cities like Liverpool, which did as it was told and “co-operated” with testing will move towards the good step, whereas cities like Manchester which got a bit stroppy, will go straight to the naughty step.
Hancock has just said that mass testing is the answer. Of course it is, if they use the lateral flow tests rather than the PCR procedure, that is. Lateral flow is a magic test which brings numbers right down. Luckily for me, they’re rolling it out in my city at this very moment!

267633 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Margaret, #634 of 2327 🔗

This is not true. If the Government was concerned about health, then it wouldn’t have cancelled millions of NHS appointments and created a time bomb of poverty

Further, for a virus that is ‘harmless to the vast majority of people’ (Chris Whitty, Downing Street briefing) there is no need, nor has there ever been a need to lock down and impose restrictions

I’m hoping that this will end and in the future people will look back and see the crime against humanity for what it is. But if the conspiracy theories are correct, ie, the Great Reset etc, then the future looks very bleak for all of us. There’s a reason Vallance et al have shares in the architecture that’s repressing us

267874 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Ben, 1, #635 of 2327 🔗

I was being very sarcastic, Jamie. I hope you realise that!!

267507 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 3, #637 of 2327 🔗

We’re all doomed.

267494 leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #638 of 2327 🔗

I’m not sure if this has been posted in here before – it’s from the WHO. Dated October 2019 and entitled:

“Non-pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza”

The whole thing warrants review because there’s so more in here that has essentially now been binned, but some take away recommendations in there:

Entry and exit screening for infection in travellers is not recommended.

Internal travel restrictions are conditionally recommended during an early stage of a localized and extraordinarily severe pandemic for a limited period of time. Before implementation, it is important to consider cost–effectiveness, acceptability and feasibility, as well as ethical and legal considerations in relation to this measure.

There is a very low overall quality of evidence that quarantine of exposed individuals has an effect on transmission of influenza.

Home quarantine of exposed individuals to reduce transmission is not recommended because there is no obvious rationale for this measure, and there would be considerable difficulties in implementing it.

Active contact tracing is not recommended in general because there is no obvious rationale for it in most Member States.

Ten RCTs were included in the meta-analysis, and there was no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

Moderate quality of evidence involving >6000 participants that face masks are ineffective in reducing influenza transmission in the community.

I could go on and on. Obviously there’s some very sensible stuff in there like wash your hands and don’t cough or sneeze in people’s faces!

Well worth a read overall. What a difference a year makes!

267505 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to leggy, 6, #639 of 2327 🔗

When people do stupid things they usually continue with their stupidity and cling onto anything that will back them up rather than admit they were stupid.

267517 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to leggy, 2, #640 of 2327 🔗

Very similar to our very own:


Minimise the potential impact of a pandemic on society and the economy by:

• Supporting the continuity of essential services, including the supply of medicines, and protecting critical national infrastructure as far as possible.

• Supporting the continuation of everyday activities as far as practicable.

• Upholding the rule of law and the democratic process.

• Preparing to cope with the possibility of significant numbers of additional deaths.

• Promoting a return to normality and the restoration of disrupted services at the earliest opportunity.

267522 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 8, #641 of 2327 🔗

No sneezing in people faces? what the hell???
I love sneezing in people’s faces
and spluttering.
I do it all the time. Damm, its the one thing I miss the most with these new restrictions, it’s the face sneezing….sad times indeed.

267530 ▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 2, #642 of 2327 🔗

Yes – this was the key document, only released in the autumn of 2019.

It was a considered and comprehensive review of no-pharmaceutical measures

… and none of the major ones now being deployed were generally recommended.

267676 ▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 1, #643 of 2327 🔗

Doing more or less nothing was always the orthodox response

What has been done this year is unorthodox, untried, controversial, dangerous

Yet what Sweden did (actually quite a bit more than do nothing, albeit a great deal was voluntary) is now universally characterised as the risky approach and the lunacy everywhere else, never before done in history, is suddenly, the safe, normal option

267495 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #644 of 2327 🔗

Some costs that Sunak has not factored in

1 The cost of the de-Nazification of the UK. We have a huge swath of people who are completely ignorant about what has been done to them. It will take time, money and resources to mend these people

2 The full cost of the vaccine indemnity. What if they bump off a million or more with this gunk?

3 The cost of legal claims in the civil courts ‘Have you been locked down anywhere in the past twelve months and it wasn’t your fault. Ring ambulance chasers are us’

267948 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Cecil B, 1, #645 of 2327 🔗

These are excellent points. Another term for de-Nazification would be deprogramming (the largest such exercise in history).

267502 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #646 of 2327 🔗

Matt Hancock is giving his statement to the House. He opens by claiming that the government’s measures are working. He states that the government has made provision for people to see their friends and loved ones over Christmas. He states that we cannot just go back to normal, but must suppress the virus. He says the evidence shows that we have to make the tiers tougher. He claims that the tiers are determined by the data on cases and hospitalisations. He states that the majority of England will be in tier two. He does not say which areas are in tier three. He says it is everyone’s responsibility to not pass on the virus. He asserts that mass testing will break asymptomatic transmission and cites Liverpool as proof that testing reduces infection – and he says Liverpool can therefore go into tier two because of their efforts. He says the government will provide local authorities with support to bring down the numbers. He says virus spread quickly and take a long time to bring down and therefore we must all follow the rules.

The website with the details of the tiers apparently crashed immediately the information was posted.

267513 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #647 of 2327 🔗

He should either be in prison or a straitjacket!

267518 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #648 of 2327 🔗

Definitely a straight-jacket.

You know what they say about insanity.

267603 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 2, #649 of 2327 🔗

Yeah but he could be let out from a straight-jacket. I vote for the concrete overcoat too.

267521 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #650 of 2327 🔗

If his motivation is his professed concern to save lives, he is clearly irrational, irresponsible and incompetent. If he has another, hidden motivation, he is guilty of crimes against humanity.

267544 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #651 of 2327 🔗

It is the latter, without doubt.

267526 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #652 of 2327 🔗

The two are not mutually exclusive. Let’s have both, just to be on the safe side.

267532 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #653 of 2327 🔗

He will be in prison, and he will not be the only one.

267655 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #654 of 2327 🔗

For that to happen, those in power must relinquish that power. Why would they do that? We have seen in the American election that these people have no intention of playing by the rules if that means letting power slip away.

267538 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #655 of 2327 🔗

Concrete overcoat!

267529 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #656 of 2327 🔗

What a total, utter lying c@nt that man is.

267531 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #657 of 2327 🔗

He asserts that mass testing will break asymptomatic transmission and cites Liverpool as proof that testing reduces infection – and he says Liverpool can therefore go into tier two because of their efforts.

And that will be backed up by the MSM and the plebs will all believe it, see it as a way out of their tier prison and march off for testing.


267540 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 6, #658 of 2327 🔗

How can anyone think that testing individuals removes the virus from the individuals? The claim that it does is not even wrong; it is a category error. One might equally assert: Thursday is purple.

267563 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #659 of 2327 🔗

The test is only valid at the moment it is taken. When will these idiots get it through their thick skulls? Have test, comes back negative, it is then null and void once you step out of the house for fucks sake!

267578 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #660 of 2327 🔗

I have this argument with a retired nurse I know, over and over and over.

“That’s why it’s important to get tested every week, like the Government suggests,” is her reply.

Totally bought! 🙁

268021 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 1, #661 of 2327 🔗

What’s the point of a weekly test – try and try again until you get a positive response? Do we get tested for the flu/common cold every week? No of course we don’t.

268013 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Hayes, #662 of 2327 🔗

I’m not sure but I think the idiot is trying to say that the test identified the asymptomatics so they could self isolate. BS of course because the more efficient test showed CV-19 didn’t really exist in Liverpool at all.

267591 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #663 of 2327 🔗

The website with the details of the tiers apparently crashed immediately the information was posted.

Mwah ha ha ha ! Sometimes, the Universe just cannot resist ‘commenting’ on human stupidity.

267596 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnB, #664 of 2327 🔗

It is still down.

267812 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #665 of 2327 🔗

Everything that man says is a lie or a falsehood.
Hopefully enough muzzelers will now see the light and simply stop complying.

268004 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #666 of 2327 🔗

I guess he hasn’t seen the WHO statement that there is not one single case in the world that has shown asymptomatic people (a euphemism for people who do not have the virus) pass anything onto anyone. As usual, he’s talking major BS from a very poorly informed position.

267510 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #667 of 2327 🔗

Fears For Tiers ! ?

Which Tier will You be in ?
Find out Live @ Midday Today !
Jeremy Vine Show BBC R2 !

267600 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, #668 of 2327 🔗

Jeremy Vine is complicit IMO

267796 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, #669 of 2327 🔗

There was an Expert attacking Prof Gupta on his show yesterday, mainly her credentials, Jeremy defended her very well and so did most of his listeners.

267511 microdave, replying to microdave, 5, #670 of 2327 🔗
267550 ▶▶ alw, replying to microdave, 2, #671 of 2327 🔗

We need to be encouraging businesses here to do the same.

267556 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to alw, 2, #672 of 2327 🔗

Nice idea, but can’t see it making much difference when the country is running on money created out of thin air, not tax revenue.

267512 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #673 of 2327 🔗


267625 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #674 of 2327 🔗

Piers Corbyn needs to be supported. He is a one man Covid resistance ‘band’

267514 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #675 of 2327 🔗

Jon Ashworth is a horrible little weasel isn’t he? Challenging Wanksock however. “Downing Street imposing restrictions on the north”. Wants “a scorecard with clear criteria for exiting local lockdowns”.

267546 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Tom Blackburn, #676 of 2327 🔗

Yes him and Hancock are good together, as big an insult as I can think of.

267996 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom Blackburn, #677 of 2327 🔗

Appalling on JHB show. She wiped the floor with him.

267515 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #678 of 2327 🔗

Flu – It’s ok for people to die every winter because we have a vaccine
COVID – It will be ok for people to die every winter once we have a vaccine

For COVID if it’s not ok then I’m afraid we may be stuck with restrictions forever.

267533 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #679 of 2327 🔗

MH is working on a plan to disallow death from anything and testing for everything based on what he said yetserday.

267627 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #680 of 2327 🔗

Yes, he will move onto flu next – we will have to eradicate that using mass testing as he outlined the other day.

267516 tinxx, replying to tinxx, 9, #681 of 2327 🔗

So this is the plan – everyone needs to be tested – to show a collapse in cases like Liverpool – so you can get into a lower tier. If you don’t participate you stay in a higher tier and – even if you do participate – you might still be stuck. However, when everyone participates and the new tests show that the PCR tests were complete rubbish, a sudden decline in cases can be presented as evidence that lockdowns work.

267528 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to tinxx, 5, #682 of 2327 🔗

Or of course people could just not be morons and not get tested in the first place.

267584 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #683 of 2327 🔗

Or of course people could just not be morons …

🙂 Heh heh. Hope springs eternal, eh, TMECM ?

267788 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to tinxx, 1, #684 of 2327 🔗

Vast majority of Liverpudlians did not get mass tested.

267993 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to tinxx, #685 of 2327 🔗

This is Big Brother in full flow only run so incompetently by the NHS it will probably have less take up than they would like. It sounds to me as though the NHS Immunisation Service (which never existed until now I believe) is actually the Test and Trace system by any other name. Beware also, anyone having the test will also have their DNA taken without their consent and placed on the National DNA Database which is the Police Database and, located in the USA!

267525 TFS, replying to TFS, 5, #686 of 2327 🔗

Woke up this morning to a letter from the NHS inviting me in for a Flu Jab.

I was under the impression that Covid was King?

Am I expected to have the Flu jab and then the Covid Jab?

267534 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TFS, 3, #687 of 2327 🔗

They wanted me to text “decline” back to them.
I declined to respond.

267554 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to TFS, 4, #688 of 2327 🔗

Didn’t the WHO say that the flu has been 98-99% eliminated worldwide? either they are lying or the NHS are!

267572 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to TFS, 1, #689 of 2327 🔗

Yep and then a meningitis jab, and then a pneumonia jab, and then …. they want us vaccinated against all diseases.

267623 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TFS, 2, #690 of 2327 🔗

Yep and some research state that if you contract Covid after having had the flu jab, that you will get much more unwell …..

267629 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to TFS, 5, #691 of 2327 🔗

Me and my wife have between us declined the flu vaccine for our 3 year old 5 times. Once each by text, my wife once after having been called by the GP and me twice having been called by the GP.

Now we have NHS Immunisation Management Service calling leaving messages saying they are aware we have declined and want to discuss his flu vaccine. So far I have ignored them although I wonder if I should answer and explain that I have no wish to discuss my childs lack of vaccine with the NHS as over the last year it has lost every last shred of credibility it ever had. I would have to assume their every word was a lie or misrepresentation intended only to sell flu vaccine and suggest they start paying more attention to people who actually need and want treatment. On the other hand it is not unknown for malicious referral to the SS to occur if you displease the heros so perhaps not such a good idea.

267643 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #692 of 2327 🔗

I’d just block the number. Debate with these functionaries is futile.

267984 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Saved To Death, #693 of 2327 🔗

WTF does a child need the flu jab for anyway. They aren’t even remotely likely to get it until they are much much much older!

267638 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to TFS, 2, #694 of 2327 🔗

I got the same letter. Shredded it. Some good observations in the the open letter To MRHA referred to above about the ‘mixing’ of the flu and covid jabs.

267776 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TFS, #695 of 2327 🔗

Recieved a letter for same yesterday and my 7th text today. They are so keen to get everyone onto the Covid vaccine database.

267976 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to TFS, #696 of 2327 🔗

I think that’s what they are pushing this flu jab for all its worth now so they can gauge (probably keep a secret database too) of those who will either bend under severe pressure to take the flu jab so they will, on the same coercion, take the CV-19 jab.

267535 leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #697 of 2327 🔗

So having quickly checked the population data, we have a whopping 1.27% of people in England in tier 1. WTAF?!

267557 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 2, #698 of 2327 🔗

So now we are in the new “tougher” tier two, we all have to walk through doors backward in “public” areas.
Stay Alert!

267536 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 9, #699 of 2327 🔗

Where I live there has barely been any CCP Virus at any point, similar to Cornwall in numbers, even with the fake tests. We are in very high alert. Hancock is a moron, much local business will close without need.

This policy is anything but local restrictions. The government is a lying bunch of cowards.

267549 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to nottingham69, 11, #700 of 2327 🔗

Hancock is a moron and/or a dangerous psychopath. He has a very punchable face.

267613 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #701 of 2327 🔗

Oh so true. I’ve never been a violent person and am stridently against the death penalty but I’m always open to a sensible debate!

267542 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 8, #702 of 2327 🔗

MH said that testing in Liverpool caused cases to fall, however mass testing didn’t start untli 6th Nov. Cases had been falling since 8th Oct.

267558 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jonny S., 6, #703 of 2327 🔗

He also said 300k people have been tested – as of last Friday, 98k in Liverpool were tested in the mass programme, according to the official data. This likely includes duplicates/triplicates given the nature of the programme. He just plucks numbers out of the air.

267548 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 9, #704 of 2327 🔗

As regards Hospital acquired infections.
Singapore got its Nosocomial infection rate down to statistical zero in MARCH by being absolutely rabid about handwashing and attention to “touch anything wash your hands”.
Their hospitals operate on the assumption the main vector is contact transfer, similar to Norovirus or Polio.
So they managed to stop hospital acquired infections 8 months ago for 3 main reasons.
Not assuming it was aerosol transfer only.
Not being distracted by the mask obsession.
Not having an NHS.

https://www.market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www ?

267583 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #705 of 2327 🔗

Yes. I have always thought hand washing is important and that aerosol transmission has been overstated in the UK. It’s particularly important in care homes. In Singapore though presumably you can havd good ventilation throughout the year. ,

267604 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to OKUK, 2, #706 of 2327 🔗

Yes, also “If” Covid is aerosol transferred it is the only aerosol transferred respiratory virus not affected by UV, all the other ones fall away to zero in high UV summer in northern hemisphere.

267597 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Nessimmersion, 8, #707 of 2327 🔗

On Singapore and the great scamdemic – I have a long time buddy works in the pathology dept in a main hospital in Sing. when this first came out in the New Year /Feb period he was sending emails with health safety measures and advice.
By Mid March he was saying it’s all BS and the authorities were simply re classifying the usual respiratory “viral” / pneumonia type illnesses. He is of course not allowed to speak out a out it.

Added to my own experiences of this around the world, I was on business travel at the time , it took me 4 months to get back, I am absolutely convinced the whole thing is a stich-up.

Please visit James Corbett , Dr Vernon Colman as a start to get the low down on what’s really going on. Take what info you can get with an open mind and start to piece it all together . Whatever you hear mainstream info sources say is total propaganda. The Govts are intent on massive societal change and only mass civil rejection will stop it .

The Conservative Women idea is spot on but late . Unless significant and credible figures come forward this is going to get much worse for a long time.

267716 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #708 of 2327 🔗

A thought : Perhaps all the theatre of useless ‘measures’ has a further down-side, in that, by association, they undermine the practises – like basic hand hygeine – that might be useful.

267766 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RickH, 1, #709 of 2327 🔗

I took a friend to Sainsbury’s earlier. Waiting outside I saw 95% mask compliant, 75% ignored sanitizer.

267551 FlynnQuill, replying to FlynnQuill, 32, #710 of 2327 🔗

So, that is basically the whole north east in Tier three. What a fucking surprise. God, my absolute hate for Hancock et al knows no bounds. I can go to work but can’t see my family. I shall do what I’m doing now and take no fucking notice of this Totalitarian take over of the country.

267608 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #711 of 2327 🔗

I`m in Co Durham – apart from not being able to visit a pub i ignore all their diktats

267724 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to nickbowes, 4, #712 of 2327 🔗

Im in county Durham as well. I hear what you are saying. But, if you have any kind of social life it starts to get on top of you. Everything my wife and I used to enjoy is now illegal. Going for pint, out for meal, socialise with friends, going on holiday etc etc is now gone. If something isn’t done very quickly to remove this scum government, we will never do the above ever again. At the moment we are just existing.

268214 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to nickbowes, #713 of 2327 🔗

I must be somewhere nearby. let’s ignore together.

268567 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to nickbowes, #714 of 2327 🔗

It is good to ignore the diktats, but until it becomes obvious to the little hitlers that it is taking place in numbers greater than they can deal with it will not make any difference

267561 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 30, #715 of 2327 🔗

The restrictions are never going to end, and will get progressively much worse, unless there is a widespread popular rebellion. It’s that simple.

Forget politics. Forget law. Both systems have utterly failed us. This is principally our fault. Decades of apathy and wilful ignorance have come home to roost.

267573 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 8, #716 of 2327 🔗

Victoria, Australian Premier Daniel Andrews has threatened future lockdowns even though ‘cases’ are miniscule. This must be the Great Reset.. What else could it be?

267582 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ben, 8, #717 of 2327 🔗

A sadistic, fascistic, power-mad lunatic running riot?

267590 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ben, 8, #718 of 2327 🔗

A neo-feudal, trans-human dystopia enforced by the most complete totalitarian system that has ever existed in recorded history awaits us if we choose this path.

267619 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ben, 4, #719 of 2327 🔗

There have been no new cases in Victoria during the whole of November, and as of 24 November there are no active cases at all in the State. What is the twat saying, exactly?

267954 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 1, #720 of 2327 🔗

As Lord Denning said, Power Corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. Our current Government in one sentence.

267656 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 5, #721 of 2327 🔗

They are all global puppets and are all compromised. See the latest video from max igan I posted a link below

267592 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Richard O, 4, #722 of 2327 🔗

Strongly agree. (Sometimes an uptick isn’t enough).

267666 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, 9, #723 of 2327 🔗

Agree up to a point, but politics and law will still matter and I think there is hope.

There has been some academic research into how public support for liberal democracy has been declining, particularly among younger people, in recent years. Publications were coming out before the Rona, so I’m not entirely surprised that this is happening, but I am surprised at the extent of it and the lack of pushback. It’s quite clear how the Nazis and other authoritarian parties could come to power in democracies.

There needs to be some kind of rebellion, as well as opposition parties picking up on this and taking a public stand against it. People may not like him, but I suspect Nigel Farage and his rebranded Brexit Party may be our only hope. I know he’s an opportunist, but that’s exactly what we need – he does now seem to have spotted the opportunity here.

I also have some faith in the legal system and challenges to what seems to be poorly drafted legislation. We might see some victories here.

In general, though, I agree that this sorry episode in human history is largely our (collective) fault. The hysterical masses got us into this mess and they will eventually (I hope) lead us out again, probably due to economic disaster and not having anything left to lose. The furloughs, funny money and magic vaccines will eventually be seen to fail. I suspect that things will fall apart for governments next year. My fear is that because people will be so relieved that it’s over (this time), they won’t take any notice of the authoritarian infrastructure that has been put in place, not to mention the terrible precedent of taking away freedom so easily in liberal democracies. This is what we need to work on, but I’m not optimistic and really worry about the arrival of the next virus.

267697 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #724 of 2327 🔗

The arrival of the next virus worries me a lot less than the arrival of the foreign troops.

267706 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JohnB, 2, #725 of 2327 🔗

Power cuts, rationing, food shortages…..

267735 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 1, #726 of 2327 🔗

Not good, but can be handled. (Generator/open fire/candles. Store/grow food/local co-ops. Etc.).

Large numbers of foreign squaddies though, v difficult.

267959 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #727 of 2327 🔗

A very sensible summary of the current situation. We do need to mobilise but need to do so quickly.

268080 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich -, #728 of 2327 🔗

Yes, it needs to be quick and we need to get the various groups together and ‘under one banner’, to borrow from a Scottish independence group. Internal division is a problem.

268581 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #729 of 2327 🔗

We need to have the Coronavirus Act repealed in its entirety and with the rider that legislation that removes our freedoms can never be repeated.

267562 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 12, #730 of 2327 🔗

How can East Suffolk be in tier 2, the same as major cities, we have 72 so called cases per 100,000. Considering the false positives and how many of those cases are symptomatic, practically a nothing. It’s time the pubs started to play them at their own game of theatre-ignore the regulations on meals, how on earth dies eating a meal reduce virus transmission, or is it some idea by our gracious leaders that the food will soak up the alcohol that we, the plebs, drink with gay abandon every time we go to the pub. The fact, in rural areas you need to drive to said pub, and therefore can only drink a small amount, seems to have passed them by. Once again, City centric.
Pubs should have fake plastic food substitutes, chips, pie, fish etc., and have customers just have the plates on their table for effect … and a few empty plates from customers choosing to eat – play them at their own theatre.

267574 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Nsklent, 4, #731 of 2327 🔗

Similar figures for my area and we have been shoved into Tier 2.

267614 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nsklent, 3, #732 of 2327 🔗

Absolutely ridiculous. James Cartlidge our esteemed MP has never voted against the whip – possibility he did not even try …..

The Tories are doing a great job trying to close down all remaining small businesses!!

267751 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, 2, #733 of 2327 🔗

It’s a second wave attack on boozers by our snobby elite in favour of their preferred gastropubs.
1st wave being the smoking ban.

267564 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #734 of 2327 🔗

Not sure if already posted; this speech is excellent.
Speech on Germany’s new coronavirus law by AfD chairman Alexander Gauland
He’s like Charles Walker on Steroids.

267587 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ceriain, 7, #735 of 2327 🔗

It is excellent. The trouble is the controlled UK media (and Establishment) are desperate to label the anti-lockdown movement as far right/left domestic terrorists. Obviously the UK media absolutely hate everything the AfD say whether sensible or not. The UK public only believe what the corrupt evil media tells them rather than listening to the speech.

267642 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Darryl, 5, #736 of 2327 🔗

It’s not a coincidence that so much resistance to the establishment corona bullshit comes from hated figures of the traditionalist or “populist” right (smeared as “far right” to associate them with thuggery). These are the groups who have been on the receiving end of this kind of elite censorship, exclusion and repression for decades. They recognise what they are seeing pushing the coronapanic as what was used against them.

267791 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Darryl, 1, #737 of 2327 🔗

Anti-lockdown, in my experience, tends to be associated with “the Right”. Although there has been little coverage of such sentiment yet – because it’s far too explosive an issue. When it does hit the headlines, expect any amount of references to “Far Right”, “neo-Nazis”, “white supremacists”, and of course “anti-Semitism”.

267943 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Darryl, 2, #738 of 2327 🔗

Therein lies the problem. The MSM is a disgrace to this country on the whole (with a couple of exceptions). For years and years they have drip fed the public faked scandals, a diet of hatred and negativity about almost everything and an appalling absence of the truth. The UK public not only read these but lap them up to compensate for their own sorry lives. It is, unfortunately, a great British National Characteristic that we love to be sanctimonious and point the finger at those who disagree with the MSM narrative and the MSM have no moral compunction whatsoever in destroying people’s lives by sheer hatred and vitriol. It has lowered the threshold of decency so much now I don’t think we know what decency is any more. This is the diet the British public are fed and it feeds into their worst traits such as never accepting responsibility for anything whilst they can blame someone else or scapegoat people. It is almost pseudo-morality if you will but on steroids. There’s nothing more soul destroying than the pseudo-moral whose opinions are informed by drip fed hatred, malice and destruction of people’s lives. Was it Hobbs that said England was a nation of shopkeepers I say England is a nation of petty moral tyrants who have the mentality of pseudo morality.

267609 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ceriain, 6, #739 of 2327 🔗

A good speech. The traditionalist and conservative right (now smeared as “far right” because the elite consensus has shifted so far to the left on political correctness and related issues that it is now taboo and in many cases outright illegal to express views that were received opinion a generation ago) understand the danger of giving more power to the elites who wield state force because they have been the primary victims of it recently and know full well where it will be applied with most force.

267566 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 22, #740 of 2327 🔗


Our government have magically come up with ⅓ of a TRILLION pounds to fight Covid19.

I, like everybody I know, don’t know ANYBODY who has had the infection. Let alone anybody who had died with it.

What would even a tiny amount of this money have done towards cancer treatment, heart disease, mental health, and so on?

If the money was always there to be used why wasn’t it used?

My Dad died of lung cancer three years ago, he’d never smoked in his life, would he still be here if billions of pounds had been poured into cancer research?


267595 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Arnie, 12, #741 of 2327 🔗

I know. It’s insane, isn’t it? Take track and trace as an example. Even if we assumed it added value by helping to reduce covid transmission, which is unlikely given that we are now in the endemic stage, it is going to cost £20 billion. Total cancer research for all types of cancer last year was about £750m. So we are honestly saying, as a country, that it makes rational sense to spend 25x the total amount we spend on cancer research on trying to track and trace a slightly worse version of the flu than normal? I simply have no words.

267683 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to kenadams, 2, #742 of 2327 🔗

I thought track and trace was expected to cost £100 Billion.

267687 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to stevie, 2, #743 of 2327 🔗

….that I think was based on everyone testing themselves each day to see if they could leave the house.

267685 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to kenadams, 2, #744 of 2327 🔗

Yep. I’m speechless which is rare for me.

268656 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kenadams, #745 of 2327 🔗

Gravy train.

267630 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Arnie, 6, #746 of 2327 🔗

The government keep throwing out these massive sums of money – but remember quite often the money won’t ever be fully allocated spending. It will often be announced as new, when it’s not new, it will be rolled over x amount of years and never actually be a target driven outcome. Just sound bites for the masses. At the end of all this you will have a Tory government who presides over a smaller economy, a smaller state and smaller population. The election will roll around and it will be the same tired and dull arguments which now no longer mean anything. It’s done. What’s left to believe in anymore ?

267705 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Leemc23, 6, #747 of 2327 🔗

What left to believe in is you and me. That we ARE the people and that we are are not a commodity. That we are sovereign and that they work for us, even if we can’t at the moment get them to do their job properly.
If they make stupid or contradictory rules and laws it is our DUTY to break them, to ignore the stupidity and then start to work towards fixing the problems.

WE are the humanity that they are terrified of. They have good reason to be afraid. One by one we are turning to face them. I don’t know ANYBODY now who isn’t sceptical of the government. Six months ago I was alone…

Keep battering on.


267734 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Leemc23, 3, #748 of 2327 🔗

Believe in the truth and that there are good sane people around.
Whatever govt says about financial matters is garbage – see IMF refinancing scheme .
The Achilles heel is keeping the “plebs” containable while the reset plans are wheeled out. If people get hungry and broke no amount of propaganda is going to save the big agenda., hence the Goldmansachs clone on number 11 softening people up for hard times, they are going to try ubi soon also the change to digital currency.

Plan for disruption for a long time . The next virus will be along by the end pf next year and we’ll have “terror” attacks on things like utilities etc

267921 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Leemc23, 1, #749 of 2327 🔗

Life the universe and everything. Resistance to tyranny. Happiness and the belief we can change things. Hope. That’s what we need to believe in.

268655 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Dominich -, #750 of 2327 🔗

How about action?

267694 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Arnie, 7, #751 of 2327 🔗

Indeed. Was reading the posts on here from nurses of the 1980s and 90s, although I worked in the NHS (not a nurse) in the 70s before Virginia Bottomley’s worst ideas took hold. For a fraction of what they are spending on all this buggeration they could upgrade the NHS, double/treble the intensive care capacity and trained staff and run it half empty for the non-flu seasons. Money is obviously no object so let’s all just get back to normal and sack this lot.

267748 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Jane G, 3, #752 of 2327 🔗

Track and trace isn’t meant to work . It’s going to provide the thin end of the covidpass/commonpass/travelpass wedge.
The governing idiots see the money as an investment into the exploding bio security/ surveillance market , everyone will need to upgrade onto . There’s a surveillance data gold rush going on , we are the pay-dirt.
They need to be stopped. This has NOTHING to do with health.

267567 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #753 of 2327 🔗

still can’t work out if you can order a coffee to drink inside a cafe

267640 ▶▶ chaos, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #754 of 2327 🔗

Only if you are wearing flip flops and you are a libra or virgo.

267651 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, 2, #755 of 2327 🔗

And hop on 1 leg

267691 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 1, #756 of 2327 🔗


267568 Masqueless, replying to Masqueless, 28, #757 of 2327 🔗

My response to an invitation from the Donmar Warehouse for a streamed Christmas show with an all star cast:

«Thanks but no thanks. Streamed theatre is of no interest to me. When you have the courage to ignore the dictatorship and open up normally as of old I’ll be back.
Until then you can remove me from the mailing list.»

I really miss live theatre and music but can’t take this streamed crap – apparently there is some underground stuff happening and would love to know how to find it. Need to ask my daughters how they find out where the underground raves are.
Don’t give up ✊

267605 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Masqueless, 14, #758 of 2327 🔗

I completely agree with you. To start with I was sympathetic to the opera companies that were sending me these cheery invitations to solo performances at home or concerts in empty halls but it’s totally depressing, it panders to the “new normal” bullshit and it misses the essential ingredient of live performance. If a play is performed in an empty theatre and no one hears it does it really happen? No.
The underground is where we are all going to need to go. Illegal raves, illegal gigs, illegal performances of all kinds.

267649 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Masqueless, 3, #759 of 2327 🔗

Great response. These people need to understand that collaboration isn’t a way out for them.

268896 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Masqueless, #760 of 2327 🔗

Mr Bart and I are just time travelling via the Berlin Philharmonic’s archive. The good old days before this insanity took hold.

267569 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 14, #761 of 2327 🔗

Chinese style social credits system starting to spread worldwide, China is sadly now seen as the model for the rest of the world.

Moscow Plans Expanded Social Credit-Style Tracking System – Open Media

Not sure when the wider population are going to wake up to all the sinister control mechanisms be brought in to ‘keep us safe’. Sadly the elitist media and academia seem to love this type of thing.

267585 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Darryl, 5, #762 of 2327 🔗

Of course they do, because they think they will be the ones who benefit from it because of their righteous world view. Until of course they don’t, and their world view gets a little old and the next round of right thinking comes in and then they are screwed.

267615 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to jakehadlee, 7, #763 of 2327 🔗

Exactly, Jake. I’ve tried to bring this up with academic people, but most just don’t seem to understand that they could be harmed by this themselves. I really don’t belong in the academic world! Academic people are the most highly educated idiots you will ever find.

267730 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #764 of 2327 🔗

Academics are always among the first to cave whenever totalitarianism comes calling whether from left, right or, in this case, technocracy.

267780 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Tom in Scotland, #765 of 2327 🔗

As I noted above, there is a concerted campaign all across the media to make this lockdown strategy seem “progressive” or “Left”. It’s cunning but also incredibly stupid i.e. the ones pushing the lockdown are the mainstream media who, it is implied, have suddenly become revolutionary?

267803 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Darryl, #766 of 2327 🔗

All the more reason to refuse en masse to complete the 2021 census.


Could be the last? Beacuse one won’t be needed again?

267570 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 31, #767 of 2327 🔗

Hancock’s a full on cunt. Tier 2 here despite having fewer cases now than when we were in Tier 1.

Population for my district is circa 80,000 and daily cases wavering between none and 20 since the 1st November.

267601 ▶▶ Julian, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #768 of 2327 🔗

Tier 1 cannot be widespread as it will be the new normal after the vaccine

267610 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 1, #769 of 2327 🔗

Our reward, if we ‘do the right thing for [name of local area].’

267636 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 2, #770 of 2327 🔗

For hundreds of thousands, the new normal after the vaccine will be non-existence.

267622 ▶▶ CGL, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 5, #771 of 2327 🔗

Hancock should just be ‘Han’ now – it needs cutting off.

267577 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 8, #772 of 2327 🔗

So Cornwall, the Isle of Wight and the Isles of Scilly are the only place in tier 1? Was honestly expecting a little more would be tier 1 but whatever. Apart from not being allowed to drink in a pub I’ll keep going forward as normal as possible.

267618 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ricky R, 6, #773 of 2327 🔗

What utter bollox – we have had virtually no fake cases for ages in our area – fucking Tier 2?? What the hell?

267830 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to CGL, 1, #774 of 2327 🔗

Same here…Somerset in 2. Wtf.

267580 SteveT, replying to SteveT, 7, #775 of 2327 🔗

Watching the statement from parliament, and seeing them laughing between themselves is disgusting and frankly sickening. What I am continually amazed at, is the almost complete lack of questioning of the data and the reasoning behind the decisions from anyone. What is the purpose of the opposition parties, if it is not to hold all decisions to account. Instead they look to score irrelevant political points and offer soft questions which are easily batted away. Where are the questions about the quality of PCR testing, the hospital and death data vs previous years etc!

267911 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to SteveT, 3, #776 of 2327 🔗

Don’t mistake Comrade Keir Stalin for an Opposition Leader. He’s as much a charlaton, buffoon and power made as Johnson is. The only thing he wants is power which, I can say with almost 100% certainty, he will wield just as ruthlessly and arbitrarily as Johnson and his cohort subsequently are.

268677 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #777 of 2327 🔗

KS – Trilateral Commission – Rockefeller

267588 alw, replying to alw, 8, #778 of 2327 🔗

Why is London in tier 2 when so many areas have few cases and hospitals are running at below capacity for this time of the year? Yes some boroughs have higher infection rates but why should the rest of London be levelled down to tier 2? Is it because the boroughs where there are the highest rates of infection are Labour controlled and want more financial help? And also because of Matt Hancock’s roll out testing in some areas? Lies damned lies.

267617 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to alw, 7, #779 of 2327 🔗

It’s because they can’t countenance the fact that London has a reasonably high level of immunity from the spring – it’s a city, so it must be 2 – 3 seconds behind “The North”, right?

267646 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to alw, 6, #780 of 2327 🔗

London shouldn’t be in any tier, it’s clear from the deaths there’s no covid there.

267654 ▶▶▶ tinxx, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #781 of 2327 🔗

Lambeth & Southwark combined – population of 660,000 people – total deaths over last month within 28 days? 4

267665 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #782 of 2327 🔗

The expert told Jeremy Vine Londons low case rate is because front line workers have achieved Herd Immunity!

267905 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to karenovirus, #783 of 2327 🔗

Priceless absolutely priceless! So only London has achieved Herd immunity then?

268159 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, #784 of 2327 🔗

I thought herd immunity was impossible and in fact doesn’t even exist?

267682 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #785 of 2327 🔗

Totally agree. Even the ‘vaccine’ companies are struggling to find antibody with the virus to test their products on…


267672 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to alw, 5, #786 of 2327 🔗

Why is London in tier 2 … ?

Probably best not to spend time looking into this in the hope of facts, reason, logic, or common sense. That way further depression/insanity/despair lie.

267903 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to alw, #787 of 2327 🔗

It’s because it’s the capital city and accounts for at least c£18% of the nation’s GDP.

267589 Will, replying to Will, 15, #788 of 2327 🔗

I do not understand how the PCR test can be legal if they do not know the specificity of it. Millions are being incarcerated on the basis of the test.

267607 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Will, 14, #789 of 2327 🔗

Millions are being incarcerated on the basis of the test.

No. Millions are being incarcerated because the Government wants to.

The test is irrelevant. The Government use whichever made up number they tell us is the worst, at any time they choose; e.g. admissions, deaths, ICU beds, etc .

267611 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Will, 2, #790 of 2327 🔗

History was always written by the victors. So these days are facts and even science.

267621 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, #791 of 2327 🔗

History is written by historians.

267645 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #792 of 2327 🔗

Based on media reports of the day and other evidence. All of which are increasingly compromised. History will for a long time regard covid as what ‘they’ say it is, not what it actually is. That history may be revised at some point in the future. But history, the present, and the future is written by the victors. Science is written by the victors. The victors being ‘they’.

267671 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, 2, #793 of 2327 🔗

Based on an examination of the sources. Historians are perfectly capable of recognising bias and falsehoods.

267701 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Hayes, #794 of 2327 🔗


267731 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, 1, #795 of 2327 🔗

Actually when historians come to study and write the history of this period, they will be seriously puzzled, as they will see no evidence of a serious public health problem. It will be in that light that they will examine the evidence.

Just to illustrate this for you. I suggest you read Martin Pugh’s Hurrah for the Blackshirts [a Daily Mail headline from the period studied]. Pugh uses the article, not as evidence of the assertions made in it, but as evidence of the Daily Mail’s support for fascism at the time. That’s just one example.

267652 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #796 of 2327 🔗

…and if the victors like it, then it is published.

267660 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to calchas, 3, #797 of 2327 🔗

And if you don’t rock the boat too much and keep within their confines, you can write for the Telegraph et al.

267663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 1, #798 of 2327 🔗

If you really believe that, I can only think that you have no knowledge of the work of historians.

267699 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Will, 3, #799 of 2327 🔗

The PCR test is specified by the WHO . ALL signatories to the IRH must follow the WHO guidelines. The protocols have been carefully assembled over many years
The way the test is handled domestically allows the govts to easily manufacture data to support which ever part of the in-out-lockdown-release cycle they need.

Everyone needs to know about Kerry Mullis inventor of the PCR ( it isn’t a test !)
by the way he strongly disapproved of PCR use for this kind of thing , conveniently he died in August last year .

267594 Tom in Scotland, replying to Tom in Scotland, 16, #800 of 2327 🔗

Walked around Stirling yesterday and happy to report only a minority of muzzled zombies (though numbers seem to be on the rise). Funny how there are so many young (university-aged) men wearing muzzles. Either they are virtue-signalling idiots, or perhaps they have misplaced their testicles. Was happy when an unmuzzled young man (by his accent, not of UK origin – perhaps a visiting student) got off his bicycle and asked me to take his photo with his mobile phone while he stood in front of the scenic river landscape. No problem! I didn’t even sanitise my hands after touching his phone. See what happens when you don’t wear a muzzle? Humanity returns. People are willing to approach you.

Ran into a work colleague I haven’t seen in months. I didn’t recognise him at first due to his muzzle. He called out to me as I was trying to avoid what looked like just another zombie and then took off the muzzle, saying something like ‘I suppose I don’t need this anymore’. Yes, you can say that again.

The city centre was reasonably busy for a Wednesday. So many places sell essential goods! I was particularly pleased to see both a gin shop and a whisky shop open for business. Yes, I would agree that both are essential; I would not get through this Rona episode without large amounts of both liquids (and beer).

Children were outside in the play areas of a primary school. No muzzles on them or on staff members or parents.

Most people here are pleasant and appear sensible. This is even more visible when walking in park areas – not a single muzzle most of the time. Anti-social distancing has almost entirely disappeared. Not everyone believes the Dear Leader! Haven’t been to Glasgow since March, so cannot comment, but I don’t miss it.

Back to Zoom University work….

267647 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #801 of 2327 🔗

Either they are virtue-signalling idiots, or perhaps they have misplaced their testicles.


267890 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, #802 of 2327 🔗

Tom, thanks for this postcard from Scotland. I studied at Glasgow University and then my Masters in Aberdeen. I don’t know what the situation is at present but I have always found the Scots to be an eminently sensible nation.

268086 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #803 of 2327 🔗

Yes, I would like to think that most Scots are sensible, but I’m not seeing enough of that now, and it’s very worrying.

268225 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo Dominich -, #804 of 2327 🔗

Well at lunchtime I saw a woman walking her dog on an open playing field wearing a mask (the woman) and in the local garage a builder lugging a gas bottle on to his van wearing a mask, he had more chance of dropping the bottle on his foot and breaking his toes.

267602 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 34, #805 of 2327 🔗

Nigel Farage, Richard Tice, Loz Fox, Neil Oliver, Sir Charles Walker…

We are waiting…

267689 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to nickbowes, 7, #806 of 2327 🔗

The trouble is not a single one of them to my knowledge was remotely sceptical until Autumn, so aren’t against lockdown and harsh restrictions (except perhaps Neil Oliver?) . Until this week has a single one of the above defended the anti lockdown movement against police brutality?

267704 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to nickbowes, 5, #807 of 2327 🔗

Yes they have been too quiet on this subject for far too long. We need a right thinking political party and we need one NOW!

267790 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to nickbowes, 1, #808 of 2327 🔗

If they wait much longer they will be silenced on social media , not sure why any opposing voices are so quiet – it’s pretty clear to all but zombies where we are heading.

267626 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 6, #809 of 2327 🔗

They can pick and choose any number they like, in any area they like, to justify their lockdown.

BBC online feed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55082980

In an online version of the health secretary’s statement to Parliament, the reasons for each area being place in each tier has been laid out.

For example, the document explains that Greater Manchester remains in tier three , despite improvements to its infection levels, because:

Weekly case rates remain very high, especially amongst those aged over 60, at around 260 per 100,000 people

Manchester University hospital and Pennine Acute Trust remain under significant pressure

267639 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ceriain, 8, #810 of 2327 🔗

Listening to Handsy in response to various MPs, it is impossible to go into Tier 1, because the ‘model’ that apparently consists of 5 variables, is neither a model nor has properly defined variables. There is also a hidden, 6th variable – political factors.

267650 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 3, #811 of 2327 🔗

Bozo made the decisions on the back of his supper menu last night

268779 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, #812 of 2327 🔗

Maybe it was Bill’s handwriting you saw, or?

267628 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #813 of 2327 🔗

They can stick their tiers, somewhere

267644 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 16, #814 of 2327 🔗

Mass civil disobedience, listeners on Jeremy Vines show unanimously hostile.

267717 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to karenovirus, 1, #815 of 2327 🔗

Karenovirus, sorry about this, but I am not entirely sure what you mean there.
By the way, why has the name ‘Karen’, assumed a pejorative meaning? This is a genuine question.

267743 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stephanos, 2, #816 of 2327 🔗

I know it’s wikipedia (sorry), S, but this might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(pejorative)

I know a Karen and she’s the loveliest woman you could meet and she hates this ‘Karen’ thing. 🙁

267777 ▶▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Ceriain, 2, #817 of 2327 🔗

Same here from a sceptic with k nobs on Karen! It is also another part of the divide and rule game – personally I feel our collective ire would be much better employed at Borises!

267875 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #818 of 2327 🔗

To resolve this properly Boris really does need to go. That’s over to the Tory MPs and the public piling on the pressure en masse!

267774 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Stephanos, 3, #819 of 2327 🔗

Imported from The US where Karen and helicopter soccer mom are interchangeable- here it is used against white working class women. It’s the female equivalent of gammon I understand.

267872 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to karenovirus, #820 of 2327 🔗

Karen, this is music to my ears especially on the JV show! How can we achieve a national anti lockdown organisation as Toby sets out on the front page from Conservative woman. We need to strike now.

267635 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 14, #821 of 2327 🔗
267664 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to G.Fawkes, 12, #822 of 2327 🔗

History keeps on repeating itself, all because we so easily surrender our rights and liberties when authoritarians promise to keep us safe.

267708 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Darryl, 20, #823 of 2327 🔗

“How could this happen?”

“It could never happen here.”

“If it was me, I would never have supported the Nazis”

“People who didn’t stand up to Stalin were cowards. I would never do that.”

“Why do people support dictators in the first place?”

“Why didn’t they just stop Mao at the start.”

“I don’t understand how Pol Pot got away with it.”

“We live in a free society.”

“We must always stand up to authoritarianism.”

Lol. Take a bow you fuckwits.

267711 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to G.Fawkes, 14, #824 of 2327 🔗

As Solzhenitsyn said, ‘Why did we not resist? Why did we not fight back? Because we did not love freedom enough’.

267925 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #825 of 2327 🔗

Yes, the few brave individuals such as Piers Corbyn who are making a stand are completely written off by the media and in the comments sections of most propaganda papers wish harm to him (particularly the ‘liberal ones’ such as the Guardian).

The UK population will get everything it deserves unless it starts saying no to more of the same draconian restrictions.

268935 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to G.Fawkes, #826 of 2327 🔗

Unfortunately the people who would have said these would most likely have joined the Gestapo and Stasi.

267637 chaos, 29, #827 of 2327 🔗


267653 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #828 of 2327 🔗

Matt Hancock has just admitted that the number of deaths with the virus are not all deaths from the virus.

267658 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #829 of 2327 🔗

I doubt any MPs even noticed, apart from Lewis who posed the question (knowing fullwell what the answer really is).

267677 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #830 of 2327 🔗

I fear you may well be right.

267657 Stephanos, 14, #831 of 2327 🔗

My letter to my MP, slightly amended from the template by Save our Rights’ since he has joined the CRG.
This is part I.

Dear XXXX,
I am writing to you today as your constituent with the support of Save Our Rights UK about the newly proposed tier system.

There are many eminent scientists and well known people that have called for the end of lockdown, including Dr Michael Yeadon and Lord Sumption. This is because the science behind them cannot be trusted and there are misgivings about the overreach of Government.

The science behind lockdown 2.0 was quickly debunked and confirmed by Prof Chris Whitty when he said that they were misleading the public with their figures. The reality has not been inline with any of the predictions. SARS-CoV-2 infections were also not affected by lockdown, as the infection rate was already flattening off prior to lockdown – as is normal behaviour for viruses.

Dr John Ioannidis from Stanford University also puts the mortality rate at merely 0.15-0.2% which renders lockdowns unjustifiable as that is in line with regular flu. We have never locked down before for regular seasonal flu outbreaks.

Furthermore, it has to be recognised that lockdown is not lives versus economy, it is actually lives versus lives. Lockdown kills. Suicides (I have already sent several examples to you), domestic violence, alcohol and drug relapse, missed treatments, trauma and poverty are all on the up and lead to a huge loss of life. How can we condone actions that are killing people in their droves and by the Governments own admission1 will continue to kill people for at least the next five years?

Then we have the fact that this is overreach of the Government as the proposed new three tier system is based upon the Health Regulations 2020 which are ultra vires of the Public Health Act 1984, an Act which was only made to regulate control of infected persons NOT healthy individuals.

The new tier system includes what is being dubbed as the “freedom passport”, a system where people will be required to have two tests a week to be “allowed freedom”. This is a complete infringement upon our right to bodily autonomy and medical freedom. It is coercion to consent to a medical procedure and is therefore in direct contravention of the Nuremberg Code. This cannot be passed into law and has to be challenged before it has even started.

So as lockdown kills people, destroys livelihoods which further impact upon mortality, the science is flawed and there are huge infringements upon our human rights. I am therefore asking you to save lives by voting against the new tier system and to thank you for joining the Covid Recovery Group which I would hope will become a cross party group.

267668 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 19, #832 of 2327 🔗

Now that most of the country is in Tier 2 or 3 and no doubt there will be plenty of outrage about it, instead of angry people saying it’s all the fault of the ‘selfish people who didn’t wear masks’, maybe we can start suggesting to them that perhaps the government is making up numbers to justify their decisions. And that the tests they are doing are highly suspect. They’ve given us enough dodgy data in the past, what’s the guarantee that this isn’t the same again? I just think if we could move people from being scared of the virus to loathing the government, it might be quite useful and the tier decisions are a good opportunity to do that.

267695 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to maggie may, 6, #833 of 2327 🔗

Not too sure about the ‘plenty of outrage’ bit, maggie, but I do suspect (hope) that some of these idiots will maybe, just maybe, start asking themselves a few questions like:

“So what was the Lockdown for?”

267703 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to maggie may, 6, #834 of 2327 🔗

My local Facebook thread on this actually looks like people from this site have been commenting. Plenty of mentions about how few people have got it etc.

267718 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to maggie may, 6, #835 of 2327 🔗

For the first time ever our local social media has a 90% scream of rage over our tier three. Rural area, that went down over 20% last week, higher tier than London etc. It might be the turning point

267669 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 21, #836 of 2327 🔗

I’ve said before this is the easiest politics in the world for Boris and Hancock. They can do what they like and the public will comply, the media will barely question and the opposition won’t even oppose. It’s not messy stuff like Brexit or education. They would be perfectly happy if they only ever had to deal with and talk about coronavirus..

267714 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Achilles, 3, #837 of 2327 🔗

True. He just has to get Twhitty to do a stupid graph, MSM go “DEATH, DEATH” and the sheep comply.

267670 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 1, #838 of 2327 🔗

Hancock: ‘The end is in sight’ https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-55082980

Good – time for a reset then Matty?

267679 ▶▶ CGL, replying to godowneasy, 1, #839 of 2327 🔗

I can’t actually watch him, sorry – what is the gist?

267692 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to CGL, 9, #840 of 2327 🔗

Get the sick bucket – he said:

“Hope is on the horizon but we still have further to go so we must all dig deep,” he says.
“The end is in sight – we mustn’t give up now. We must follow these new rules and make sure that our actions today will save lives in future and help to get our country through this”.

When he said dig deep, how many of us would it take to make a 6 foot under sleeping place for him?

267778 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to godowneasy, 1, #841 of 2327 🔗

Thanks very much though – I’m afraid it’s more than my blood pressure can take to even look at his vile features.

267847 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to godowneasy, #842 of 2327 🔗

Please please sir (jigging around in my seat with hand in air) can I be the first to plunge the shovel in? Or hit him on the back of the head with it.

267841 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to CGL, #843 of 2327 🔗

CGL even I can’t bear to watch him, Lt Gruber always springs to mind! Unfortunately, he is my local MP. Hasn’t replied to my letter yet

267684 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 14, #844 of 2327 🔗

The end is indeed in sight….for freedom, prosperity and humanity itself. If we choose this.

267674 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 11, #845 of 2327 🔗

Letter to my MP
Part II.

A further point I would like to make concerns the hospitality sector. Every year I lead a small group of students of Latin and Greek for a conference at a venue in Hertfordshire. At the conference we study the Septuagint (a Greek translation of the Old Testament), a book of the New Testament and perhaps one of the Patristic writers, all in Greek. An event that is very much appreciated by all participants; next year will be our seventh.
Originally, this event would have been held in May but that, I felt, was too close to the end of the next series of Lockdowns and I could not be sure that the conference will run as normal. Therefore, I requested a postponement to October and I found, to my delight, that there would be no charge. That was the good news.
I then enquired as to HOW the conference would be run. Naturally, the staff could not answer for certain as they don’t know and nor does anyone. However, they could give me some guidance based upon how events were run in October when they were last open; they are now closed again until April 1 at least.
This was their response:

  1. It would be necessary to wear face-coverings (how I HATE that term) at all times. This is very difficult for me because my hearing is poor and when people give their translations in class they frequently speak quietly because they are not sure, and face coverings, quite apart form being repulsive and disgusting make people’s speech unclear. I will claim an exemption but that doesn’t help in interpreting what THEY say. My hearing aid is not of much use for this.
  2. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner would be served in individually wrapped packets by staff in full PPE. One of the joys of such a conference is sharing a meal together and any atmosphere is completely destroyed by this. Other people to whom I have spoken regard this as awful; my reaction is that it is horrible in the extreme. And there is the extra rubbish to be disposed of, very eco-friendly. All of this requires more staff of course, thus increasing overheads.
  3. At our meetings it would be necessary to observe anti-social distancing. I WILL NOT use the government term as that is a euphemism for a disgusting and repellent idea.
  4. For tea breaks and coffee breaks we are allocated individual tables so any casual conversation with other groups (I print badges for everyone with their names in Greek and Latin, so these DO cause some interest) is out of the question. Several people bring board games like Scrabble or Chess. I don’t know if these are ‘allowable’.

The whole atmosphere has been completely destroyed and it is clearly the intention of this government to accomplish the following:

  1. Destroy all small businesses. This is akin to the destruction of Kulaks by Stalin in the 1920s. Small businesses have been under savage attack since 1999 with introduction of IR35; one of the most malicious and evil pieces of legislation ever devised. Civil Servants hate small businesses because they are independent and Civil Servants hate people to be independent.
  2. Destroy the hospitality industry. How can any group conduct itself under the condition given above? Venues such as the one in Hertfordshire provide a welcome method of enabling small and larger groups to gather together for purposes of study, fellowship and simple fun. We have been doing this for six years now and we are slowly growing. On Sunday we would have a full communion service with readings in Hebrew, Greek, English and Syriac.

I do hope that you will vote against this legislation; this country, which has been a beacon for freedom throughout the world for centuries is now sliding very rapidly into a totalitarian Police State. Just listen to Sir Charles Walker last Tuesday.

Please let me know your thoughts on each point and how you will vote and why.


267709 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Stephanos, 1, #846 of 2327 🔗

Perhaps all your attendees will be similarly hard of hearing. I certainly am. Then it will be legal not to mask. There are clear safety issues if a deaf person cannot, for example, take safety instructions or make a request because of masking.

267688 Adam, replying to Adam, 2, #847 of 2327 🔗

It’s this government and it’s tamed opposition parties in Parliament they We need to be vaccinated against not a virus that kills a few old wrinklies off

267836 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Adam, 1, #848 of 2327 🔗

Aha, looking at the home page of this website there are now growing concerns about the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine. I have printed it all out and am preparing a draft letter to my GP or the NHS if I ever get communication about being vaccinated. I am writing it in such a way that it will form part of the basis of a Letter Before Action should I need to take any in relation to coerced vaccination.

267696 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #849 of 2327 🔗

Once again Northumberland is locked down because bureaucrats in London, all of whom think the Roman Wall is the Scottish border, lump it in with Newcastle – distant countries of which we know nothing. The North East Combined Authority exists only in a few administrators’ wet dreams. It has so far inflicted upon us (a Conservative county with a substantial Lib Dem minority) a deranged Corbynite mayor and Tier 3. Time for Bernicia to become an independent kingdom again

267700 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #850 of 2327 🔗

We need Uhtred of Bebbanberg. Where is he?

267719 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #851 of 2327 🔗

“Destiny is all”

267782 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to FenTyger, #852 of 2327 🔗

pretty sure there’s an extra ‘s’ in ‘is’ 🙂

267781 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to thinkaboutit, #853 of 2327 🔗


267784 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to thinkaboutit, #854 of 2327 🔗

sadly murdered in a feud – would heartily recommend Bloodfeud , murder and revenge in Anglo Saxon England by Richard Fletcher – a history book that reads like a novel

267707 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #855 of 2327 🔗

i was hoping for a trip to the Crown & Anchor on Lindisfarne in a few weeks – these b`tards take away all small joys of life.

268110 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to nickbowes, #856 of 2327 🔗

Mrs Doubting want to go to Lindisfarne, looks like it is not going to be this year.

267710 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 24, #857 of 2327 🔗

The ONLY thing that has changed since the announcement of the tiers is that we are now fully informed with regard to the rules that we are going to ignore. Knowledge is power and all that.

Keep battering on folks the pendulum is definitely swinging our way.


267747 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Arnie, #858 of 2327 🔗

Yep – I remember ‘The Pit and the Pendulum’.

267797 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to IanE, #859 of 2327 🔗

Thank you for reminding me about this story – I remember it made a great impression on me years ago. Time to re-visit.

267712 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #860 of 2327 🔗

Looking around, I get the feeling that a whole load of people just got more sceptical.

267729 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to calchas, 9, #861 of 2327 🔗

I would REALLY like to believe you but a few weeks ago I decided to look through previous editions of this web site (thanks, Toby, for starting it up, great achievement) and from about May onwards the continual theme was that scepticism was growing, we are winning and so on.
Yet here we are.
Please don’t take this as a sign of defeatism; I am trying to be realistic.

267744 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Stephanos, 1, #862 of 2327 🔗

Yes, if it is red pill or blue pill, I’d take the red pill (coincidentally the Republican’s colour?!) any day. Ignorance may be bliss, but it is still ignorance!

267816 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to IanE, #863 of 2327 🔗

I’m not sure if I’m quoting this correctly from 1984 but is it something like “Ignorance is Truth, War is Peace, ??? is Freedom?

267840 ▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #864 of 2327 🔗

War is peace.Freedom is slavery.Ignorance is strength.

268256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to kenadams, #865 of 2327 🔗

Thanks Kenadams.

267763 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Stephanos, 1, #866 of 2327 🔗

Scepticism may not be growing, or only slowly, but belief in The Narrative is evidently shrinking.

267767 ▶▶ alw, replying to calchas, 6, #867 of 2327 🔗

Indeed. Just looked at Allison Pearson’s twitter feed. Tremendous anger at the unjustifiable and groundless continuation of tiers and lockdowns. The dam wall is about to burst. It’s not going to be a pretty sight for Boris, Hancock and the ship of fools that call themselves MP’s.

267823 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to alw, 1, #868 of 2327 🔗

It is breaching quite rapidly I think now because they have to keep doubling down on the restrictions and keep on banging out the false narrative relentlessly.

267814 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to calchas, 2, #869 of 2327 🔗

I agree but there’s still work to be done to convince them WHY now. Many are what I call “Lockdown NIMBYs” who just think it’s unfair that their white middle class affluent market towns have been given a Tier 2/3 label. Hopefully this is the push to make them question everything…

267720 George L, replying to George L, 6, #870 of 2327 🔗

I’m afraid that with each passing day the planned incremental lockdown assault on our country becomes clearer, as does the end game.

A glance across the water to France shows exactly the tricks being played with devastating effect by Macron and globalist cronies. Please read the article about Macron and France at the URL below. Lock-Step is very much alive and succeeding, with a French populous that only a year ago had Macron against the ropes with the Gilet Jaune movement.. (now crushed).


267770 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George L, 2, #871 of 2327 🔗

Macron, who decided to strike Liberté from Liberté, égalité, fraternité

267721 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 18, #872 of 2327 🔗

The government have knowingly destroyed the economy. Now they’re making sure big corporations thrive while small business die the death of a thousand cuts.

267728 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Eddy, 12, #873 of 2327 🔗

All people can do at this point is to just ignore the rules, it’s as simple as that. Pubs need to ignore the rules and stay open. Politicians are now proven to be a waste of space and democracy is clearly gone.

267765 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #874 of 2327 🔗

If only it were that simple. The police seem to have turned into brownshirts. I saw a video yesterday of an old lady, who presumably had been protesting against lockdown being unceremoniously bundled into the back of a police van. She was 78.

I’d like to know if any of them feel guilty for fining businesses and forcing them to close permanently. Business that have taken generations to grow are being smashed to pieces

267732 ▶▶ George L, replying to Eddy, 2, #875 of 2327 🔗

Absolutely they have, and are Andrew. See my post below about the same game being played in France.


267737 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Eddy, 9, #876 of 2327 🔗

The attack on small businesses began in 1999 with IR35.
It has continued ever since.

267741 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Stephanos, #877 of 2327 🔗

Spot on..

267912 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Stephanos, 1, #878 of 2327 🔗

And IR35 is still on track to be introduced in the private sector this coming April. As a contractor i can say that the way government handled small businesses has been disastrous. 5 years ago i was being paid quite a bit more than a permanent employee in my role, which was offset by the fact that i had 0 benefits (no paid leave, no paid sick leave, no maternity/paternity leave, no medical plan, no pension plan, no union, no job security). It all evened out in the end. Now, with the introduction of IR35, my end of year is substantially lower than even a new employee in my role, despite 5 years of experience, and i still get no benefits.

IR35 was supposed to punish companies for using contractors to lower their taxes. What it ended up doing is punishing contractors and remove any responsibility from large companies. In a bid to make a quick profit, HMRC has thrown us all under the bus by claiming that we must pay taxes like employees, but that despite being called employees we do not deserve any sort of employee rights.

Either way, at the end of the day it doesn’t make much difference to me, since the company i was working for decided to end my contract due to the sorry state of the economy.

267946 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #879 of 2327 🔗

Yes it’s a particularly nasty piece of cuntery from probably the worst Chancellor and Prime Minister in living memory. If I was a couple of years older I’d say, “Fuck it” and retire thereby depriving anyone else from using my scarce skill set – and that is after all why most of us end up contracting.

267722 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 13, #880 of 2327 🔗

Further to my post below about how they can pick and choose to lock an area up; here’s how they do it:

BBC Live Feed:

Hancock now sets out how the government decided which tier to place different areas in.

He says decisions have been based on:

1. Case detection rates in all age groups

2. Case detection rates in the over 60s

3. The rate at which cases are rising or falling

4. Positivity rate (the number of positive cases detected as a percentage of tests taken)

5. Pressure on the NHS

However he says the government has also considered things like travel patterns between different areas.

The health secretary adds that the rules are less stringent than the national lockdown but are designed to keep people safe and safeguard the gains that have been made.

As a result, he says more areas will be in the top two tiers of restrictions, to keep the virus under control and protect the NHS .

There is almost no way out of this, until the morons stop queueing up to get tested.

267727 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ceriain, 13, #881 of 2327 🔗
267738 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 8, #882 of 2327 🔗

6) Local political compliance and collaboration

267756 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to DRW, 4, #883 of 2327 🔗

Which carries a 99.99% weighting in the overall decision

267757 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DRW, 1, #884 of 2327 🔗

Yes, absolutely!


Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham said he would be “making the strongest possible arguments” for the region to be moved down to tier two in a fortnight if good progress continues.

He told BBC Radio Manchester he was not surprised it was being subject to the toughest estrictions.

“We’ve got the fastest fall going on in cases at the moment, but there is a big but I’m afraid – and the big but is our cases are still quite a lot higher than the rest of England ,” he said.

“So we’re coming down quickly, we’re going in the right direction, but if I just look at all the evidence and take the evidence alone, the evidence points into tier three .”

267785 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 7, #885 of 2327 🔗

All predicated on testing. The PCR test has got to be destroyed in the courts.

267802 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Ceriain, 4, #886 of 2327 🔗

Very interesting that deaths aren’t included as a factor. This has to be the first pandemic in history which is driven by ‘cases’ and not deaths.

267835 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Poppy, 2, #887 of 2327 🔗

Not many Tory friends in the undertaking business, but plenty in the business of making tests, testing people with said tests, running labs processing tests, etc .

No money in the ‘death’ business.

268117 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Poppy, 3, #888 of 2327 🔗

It’s because deaths aren’t playing ball I guess. Nowhere near the much-vaunted 4000 per day. Cases on the other hand can be bumped up by testing as much as possible and telling us that the models show cases to be 100,000 per day no matter what the real numbers show.

267808 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 7, #889 of 2327 🔗

Bloody ridiculous. This NHS narrative is pathetic truly pathetic. They have been underwhelmed by all of this and are loving it. Bunch of cowboys in the NHS and in Government.

267725 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 7, #890 of 2327 🔗

New Year Eve Party Anyone?

267742 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Eddy, 3, #891 of 2327 🔗

Count me & my family in.

267750 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Eddy, 4, #892 of 2327 🔗

Many large free parties are being planned. I know of several teens planning to attend.

267758 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Eddy, #893 of 2327 🔗

Is Rishi or Bojo paying?

267801 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #894 of 2327 🔗

They should be barred from every hospitality venue anywhere for the rest of their lives (which will hopefully be very short)

267736 Bella, replying to Bella, 23, #895 of 2327 🔗

Any entrepreneurs out there want to make a quick buck? Create a line of crisps called ‘A Substantial Meal’ making sure the name is clearly displayed and market it to every pub in the land.

267739 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Bella, 3, #896 of 2327 🔗


267752 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Bella, 6, #897 of 2327 🔗

I think Willy Wonker was working on something that provided a three-course meal in a piece of chewing gum. Last I heard it was untested and turned people into blueberries, but sounds less risky than the C19 vaccine.

267988 ▶▶ David Farrer, replying to Bella, #898 of 2327 🔗

You should be Prime Minister!

267745 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 10, #899 of 2327 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/matt-hancock-former-neighbour-won-covid-test-kit-contract-after-whatsapp-message Hancock at the centre of everything, fingers in every pie, and fingers in both ears. Brass neck doesnt come close. Corruption on a global scale, make Nigeria look like a meeting of angels.

267839 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Iansn, 1, #900 of 2327 🔗

Middlemen. They know a guy in China etc

267753 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 5, #901 of 2327 🔗

I have just received this reply form my MP (letter in two parts below)

Hi Steve

Living in a rural area I believe that the proposed Tier 2 is not proportional to the risk in my Buckingham constituency. I am concerned it is unjust and detrimental to the mental health and well-being of my constituents. I will continue to lobby the government to get the tier downgraded at the earliest opportunity.

I questioned the Health Secretary on whether Bucks Council had been consulted in the Chamber today. I am going to continue pushing for clear criteria behind these decisions.

Kind regards

This MP is a member of the CRG. The CRG, if this be typical of their views, are conceding far too much.
We want our freedom back, NOW.
Wot abaht Tier 0 (zero)??

267768 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Stephanos, 4, #902 of 2327 🔗

I will continue to lobby the government to get the tier downgraded at the earliest opportunity.

Pathetic, feeble, supine compliance. Not good enough. Over to the people.

267869 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Richard O, 2, #903 of 2327 🔗

I agree. And please don’t lose sight of the fact that he is in the CRG.
I am coming to the conclusion that the only answer to this is armed insurrection.

267922 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Stephanos, 2, #904 of 2327 🔗

You and what arms? In the country that made multitools illegal cause they have locking blades so as not to cut your fingers off.

267810 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stephanos, 2, #905 of 2327 🔗

I questioned the Health Secretary on whether Bucks Council had been consulted in the Chamber today.

Does this suggest the MP himself/herself wasn’t even consulted beforehand? Bloody disgrace if they haven’t consulted the MPs from each area.

267754 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #906 of 2327 🔗

Kent moves from tier one to tier three. My area is Tunbridge Wells population 118,000 total deaths with/from Covid is 85. ONE death since mid August.

267804 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PatrickF, 1, #907 of 2327 🔗

Not about deaths any more, only ‘cases’. From my post below re. Handjob’s rules:

1. Case detection rates in all age groups
2. Case detection rates in the over 60s
3. The rate at which cases are rising or falling
4. Positivity rate (the number of positive cases detected as a percentage of tests taken)

267828 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ceriain, 3, #908 of 2327 🔗

You are absolutely right Ceriain – discredit the PCR test and the house of cards will fall. The problem is that we really need MPs in the CRG to be hammering away at this.

267910 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to vargas99, 5, #909 of 2327 🔗

It is already totally discredited. but what difference does that make?

said it before, I’ll say it again – this thing only stops when we the people decide it stops.

How much clearer can it now be that this has nothing to do with an insignificant virus, that is jkust the excuse.

There is so much information to counter all the wild and lurid claims, but it makes no difference, the government support it, the media (with few exceptions) push it ad nauseum and what we think is irrelevant.

Don’t wish to be negative or defeatist but calls to reason don’t work, facts and evidence are irrelevent. The citizens of North Korea are probably more free right now than we are, just we don’t all have to wear our hair like Boris’.

One of the few Countries not suffering from Stockholm syndrome, is the Country for whom Stockholm is its capital.

267866 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Ceriain, 3, #910 of 2327 🔗

it is not about cases… it is about “people who have had tests that show a positive”

267909 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mjr, 3, #911 of 2327 🔗

Yes, I know that! You know that! They know that!

But you can’t run a dictatorship by telling the proles the truth.

267805 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to PatrickF, 6, #912 of 2327 🔗

I’m not picking on you in particular Patrick, but I think we all need to focus our energies on being against lockdowns in their entirety for everyone, rather than against them being unfairly implemented in certain areas.
Not that they are fair in that sense because there’s clearly a lot of political shenanigans going on, but I’d like us to all be in Tier 0/GBD regardless of “cases”.

267825 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to PatrickF, 3, #913 of 2327 🔗

I went to Tunbridge Wells recently, first time in ages. I was shocked how shabby and deprived it looked. It’s supposed to be Tunbridge Wells and it was dead. Such a pity. Tier 3 will completely screw it.

268041 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Recusant, #914 of 2327 🔗

Royal Tunbridge Wells I’ll have you know lol

267864 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to PatrickF, 3, #915 of 2327 🔗

I’m a Kent boy and my parents are in Kent not far from you. They are happily ignoring it

267759 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 13, #916 of 2327 🔗

Lundy Isle T2 population 18

267794 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Eddy, 6, #917 of 2327 🔗

What a fucking joke

267800 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Eddy, 3, #918 of 2327 🔗

This is exactly how we know this is all now in silly season. It is all a fucking joke now can’t pretend otherwise but people like Paul on here are desperately affected by these arbitrary decisions as are whole communities.

267843 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Eddy, #919 of 2327 🔗

Surely they have reached herd immunity!

267873 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, 3, #920 of 2327 🔗

maybe there is a puffin covid pandemic. I am sure i read that multi – coloured beaks were a symptom of covid

268237 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to mjr, #921 of 2327 🔗

STOP IT MJR!! Those poor puffins in Tier 2

267760 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 10, #922 of 2327 🔗

I have noticed some comments on what is one of the oddest things about this covid matter i.e. that “the Left” are right behind the “covid-as-deadly-pandemic” narrative. That is because the covid programme has been fuelled by a very cunning form of propaganda in which the mainstream Left have been hoodwinked in two ways:

First, they are induced to believe that covid must be real because “it was bound to happen sometime”. It is seen as a weakness of capitalism. Therefore, those who doubt the virus story must be “backing capitalism”.

Second (and this follows on from the first), that covid sceptics must be on the Right, must be “libertarians” or “fascists” etc. This also feeds into the Left’s ever present conspiracy phobia i.e. conspiracies either don’t exist or are unimportant and those who entertain conspiracy theories must be on the Right.

This leads to a strange position in which the kind of coverage given by e.g. the World Socialist Website is identical to that given in the mainstream media – only with even greater emphasis i.e. even greater hyperbolic. The WSW view of the masses is therefore purest hypocrisy. The WSW are for the lockdowns i.e. the very same lockdowns that the govt and the mainstream media (MSM) are pushing. There is thus no difference in policy between the WSW and the mainstream.

And it is fortuitous that “WSW” is simply “MSM” inverted. I think the WSW is simply a shadow arm of the MSM.

And this means that the masses are in fact opposed to this MSM/WSW creature. The only protest that this creature can envisage i.e. allow is a protest for the lockdowns i.e. a “protest” for what the rulers already want anyway. The only true protest would be against the lockdowns. And that kind of protest will be ceaselessly demonised as “Far Right/Fascist/anti-Semitic ….” etc.

267831 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Mc, 3, #923 of 2327 🔗

It’s clear as day this is not a left and right issue. Those who seek to define it as such are lost. They are fighting a battle of a different kind where Covid and Lockdowns are just another opportunity to win. And that is ultimately what I see many in poltics focused on. Winning.

That leads to a lot of contradictory positions being taken in this fog. So, for example, the left want to be seen as defenders of the working man when they are actively destroying his livelihood. They want him/her locked down and dependant on the state, all in the name of winning. Deaths are actually a good thing, as it means they can hurt the government more, call for more lockdown (whether they actually want it or not doesn’t matter, its just makes them look strong in contrast to the government and relies on the lockdowns work fallacy) and win. Its all about winning. They’ve even managed to make masks a left v right thing. Science doesn’t come into it.

George Monbiot put out a tweet this week which fell directly into this trap.

267944 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #924 of 2327 🔗

Well, the “right” is used as a pejorative these days. Thing is that it is all a false dichotomy. The common meanings of “left” and “right” (socialism and fascism, respectively) are two sides of the same coin. Fascism has always been on the same side as socialism, as authoritarian systems. Because that’s the trick here. The left-right spectrum is a spectrum of authoritarianism. Which flavour of oppression would you like today? And it is no wonder that this is so, because this is a spectrum pushed by today’s elites. Of course they cannot conceive of a world where they aren’t in charge, so they leave out what should be the obvious: freedom. Nowhere on the left-right spectrum does freedom fit in. People think that it must be in the middle, but how can freedom be half way between Stalin and Hitler?

Socialism and fascism are the true left. And freedom is the true right. And that is the only spectrum that has any sort of meaning or value.

267994 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -1, #925 of 2327 🔗

Socialism and fascism are the true left”

Here we go again with the same old suitcase – on cut-price offer for tired old dimwit ideas.

268025 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to RickH, #926 of 2327 🔗

When you have an actual coherent sentence for why i’m wrong, then come back to me. I have no time or patience for tired old dimwit replies with 0 substance. I made my position very clear. Why can’t you do the same? Are you unable to articulate an argument to support your position? Then how can you claim i’m the one that’s wrong?

268032 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #927 of 2327 🔗

Cristi, the “opposite” of socialism is not fascism as your second sentence appears to suggest.

268039 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to John P, -1, #928 of 2327 🔗

… which is exactly what my conclusion is… What is your point?

268043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -1, #929 of 2327 🔗

And the label “right” is not considered to be perjorative by people who consider themselves to be on the right.

Cristi, your comment is very confused and now you are being defensive about it.

You are the one saying that (I quote) :

“The common meanings of “left” and “right” (socialism and fascism, respectively”

I do not accept this analysis. The “common meaning” of “right” is not fascism.

268056 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to John P, #930 of 2327 🔗

Whether or not everyone considers “right” to be a pejorative has no connection with whether or not it is used as a pejorative. You may not think it is a bad description, but people still use it as such.

You seem to be very confused… First you tell me that i’m wrong for saying that socialism and fascism are two sides of the same coin because they are no opposites. Perhaps you don’t know what “two sides of the same coin” means? And then you tell me that “right” is not used as a pejorative because some people don’t consider it to be one. Why are you bringing up irrelevant whataboutisms? Did i ever say socialism and fascism are opposites? Did i ever say absolutely everyone considers “right” to be a pejorative?

What exactly is your point?

268101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #931 of 2327 🔗

What exactly is yours!

268375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to John P, #932 of 2327 🔗

I was quite clear here: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/26/latest-news-205/#comment-267944
I am not responsible for your confusion. If you don’t know what my point is, you can simply ask for clarification. But no, you instead resort to useless accusation, indicating that you don’t really care what the point is, just that you feel offended. I suggest you either explain yourself and behave in a civil manner, or you take your offense somewhere else.

267985 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #933 of 2327 🔗

this is not a left and right issue.”

Of course it’s not, BeBop, and I get totally pissed off with those who try to ram it into their tired old ideological suitcases.

There’s a lot of things going on, and some of it does have to do with the usual old oppositional politics.

But – to state the obvious – never underestimate how the ‘Fear’ narrative genuinely embraces some on both the right and the left. The comprehensiveness of the propaganda campaign has, I think, surprised even the most sceptical among us who were already aware of the potential for distortion.

The other thing to say is again pretty obvious : as the left/right political dimension has become increasingly irrelevant, so the authoritarian/libertarian dimension has become the salient one, bringing to the fore that distinction between libertarian and totalitarian (majoritarian) ideas of democracy (mentioned in one of the items in today’s listings).

Meanwhile … the Spivs win … and will continue to do so until the realities of what drives this is understood in all its gory detail … which far more fundamental than playground ‘my gang’ left/right games.

267896 ▶▶ calchas, replying to George Mc, 4, #934 of 2327 🔗

Good to see you here George.

Always appreciate your comments at OffG.

You are dead right. The ‘Left’ has been totally co-opted.

267761 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 14, #935 of 2327 🔗

I think writing to your MP might not be working.

267783 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Eddy, 4, #936 of 2327 🔗

I suspect you may be right.

267787 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Eddy, 3, #937 of 2327 🔗

Just makes me feel like I’m putting my head up there above the sheep

267819 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Eddy, 2, #938 of 2327 🔗

No, that can’t be true. My MP said that he sympathised to some extent with my arguments, I’m sure he’s fighting really hard for me.

267878 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Eddy, 1, #939 of 2327 🔗

Thanks Andrew. Actually laughed out loud.

You can fucking well say that again.

267891 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Eddy, 2, #940 of 2327 🔗

They have enough work to do claiming all of their expenses every month without you lot demanding that they copy and paste a few email responses too.

267762 Paul, replying to Paul, 48, #941 of 2327 🔗

I now can’t take any more of this,every last tiny,minute piece of hope I ever have gets crushed under the jackboots within hours.This groundhog day meets North korea type of existence is just not bearable any longer.Everything that adds happiness and joy to our lives is forbidden,without at least some hope and contentment life is pretty pointless.
The whole of my county,Lincolnshire,has been put in Tier 3,this is insanity,this is based on so-called rates in certain urban areas that have large immigrant populations who live in poor housing conditions,my part of the county is a long way from there and is predominately rural with low population density but we have to suffer aswell.The case numbers where I live are and always have been very low.According to my brother,an undertaker,the death rate around here has actually been below average for months !.
My spirits were lifted enormously last night when I spoke to a friend I haven’t seen for weeks and we arranged to go out for a meal next Wednesday to celebrate the end of Lockdown 2,she and her husband are as pissed off as we are and at least we had a little something to look forward to,but no,I come in from work,feeling better than I have done for quite a while and I see the news we are in tier 3 and I now realise that no matter how positive I try to be,no matter how much I ignore all the restrictions,the bastards always find a way to beat me,there isn’t any point to existing like this.I am not insane,my mind is clear and sharp but most of the world is insane,having sanity is becoming painful to bear,it counts for nothing.
A lot of MPs and scientists and doctors and professors are doing and saying the right things but it is making not one tiny bit of difference,if they can’t change things I certainly can’t no matter how hard I try.
Everyone I love and care about is as sceptical as me and as thoroughly pissed off but we all feel powerless,I never thought I would ever feel that our lives were being dictated and controlled completely by the powers that be,I wrongly assumed I was too strong to allow that to happen.
My mums friend has developed severe OCD because of the fear created by the gov and media,my cousin in Oregon,who lost his wife not long ago,is at his wits end,he is alone and every thing he does to maintain some semblance of life has been ripped away from him and he is slipping into a deeper depression.
The insanity has no end,it will not end,the last faint flame of hope is almost out.
It could end if millions of people and businesses simply said ‘no’,but they haven’t yet and they never will.
I feel physically sick now,I don’t have any more words,I feel numb.

267775 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Paul, 18, #942 of 2327 🔗

You’re here to fight this Paul. People will say no, but it’ll take time. In WW!! only 2-5% of the French were involved in the resistance. People take courage in numbers but it’s the bravest who kick it off. Start to organise. I’m a long way from you but it’s time to set up clandestine meetings.

267779 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Paul, 18, #943 of 2327 🔗

Feeling powerless is not the same as being powerless. The mental state you are in is exactly where the government wants us, and is the result of classic psychological torture techniques: learned helplessness.

The stark reality we face is that currently there are still way too many people complying. This is changing gradually, but we started from basically zero back in March and there will be no quick victories I’m afraid.

267792 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Paul, 16, #944 of 2327 🔗

Paul I am so sorry you find yourself in this continued nightmare. Please please, do not reach the dregs of despair. Allegedly, these tiers are to be reviewed every 14 days. However, I’m thinking what will end this all is a finding on one of the Judicial Reviews or a massive revolt in Parliament next week. Hang on in there Paul for your friends, your family and most importantly for yourself.

267799 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Paul, 10, #945 of 2327 🔗

Keep holding on, Paul. Your family and friends share your views – they need you and vice versa. Try to take comfort in that. Some of us have noone in real life who comes close to being sceptical, but we all need to plough on regardless. I can’t think of any battle (military, social, or political) worth fighting in history that didn’t last many, many months or years. Giving up is not an option – sheer determination and perseverance aginst the odds has won the day many times and I choose to believe that it will in this situation too.

267817 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Paul, 8, #946 of 2327 🔗

Focus on the positive, stock up on popcorn and wait for Nuremberg 2.0.

267863 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to G.Fawkes, 8, #947 of 2327 🔗
267880 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Two-Six, 5, #948 of 2327 🔗

I like that,a Panda is always guaranteed to make me smile !.

268108 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Paul, 2, #949 of 2327 🔗

not if its got police in it !!!!

267818 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Paul, 7, #950 of 2327 🔗

I feel exactly the same, all the time. We still have to fight.

267826 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Paul, 23, #951 of 2327 🔗

I am the same. It’s been living hell.

A close friend in his 60s has been suicidal because of lockdown. I saw him break down in sobs when paramedics visited him in the early hours. He looked at them and asked: ‘when is lockdown going to end?’. Almost child like. It broke my heart.

The thought that cosseted politicians can inflict this suffering on millions of innocent people is inconceivable. Aided and abetted of course by the mainstream media, celebrities, blue ticks, journalists. If I end up killing myself because I can’t take anymore of this inhumanity, then *THEY* will have my blood on their hands. Anyone who’s pushed for lockdown or who stands to profit from lockdown, including Pharma and tech shareholders are guilty of crimes against humanity.

I read that the Irish Government have stopped recording suicides under lockdown. The guilty always conceal their crimes. Indeed, if governments want to push people to suicide then why don’t they just offer assisted suicide instead..

267898 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, 12, #952 of 2327 🔗

I’m 72 next month and I won’t let these bastards win.
Remember Enoch Powell’s words: “All political careers end in failure”.

267913 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Ben, 10, #953 of 2327 🔗

I have informed my MP and I have told several clergymen about these suicides, which I find to be utterly utterly tragic.
I just don’t know what to do. All I can do is offer my sympathy which is not of much use.
The really irritating thing has been the attitude of the church and clergy. When I talk to some of them and explain about closed businesses and suicides they just go quite sheepish. No answer.
And then Welby skives off on sabbatical!

268017 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Ben, 5, #954 of 2327 🔗

If you kill yourself you let them win. And you miss out on the schadenfreude that will definitely come our way.

267859 ▶▶ Lisa Wakeman, replying to Paul, 21, #955 of 2327 🔗

I agree with you. I am a 52 year old law abiding tax paying member of society who has worked all my life. We run a small family construction business. Everyone is now shelving building projects we had orders for next year. We live in T Wells (currently the lowest covid cases in Kent & half the national infection figures) Now obviously placed in TIER 3. I actually want to riot in the streets!!! That is how angry I feel.

267870 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 7, #956 of 2327 🔗

I’m the same age as you Lisa and I want to go out and riot too,the trouble is around here I don’t think I would have many people joining in.

268443 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 3, #957 of 2327 🔗

Try to find a Keep Britain free local group. My Sussex group is really busy and we organise local events & protests. Anger needs to go somewhere, like you I’m fit to burst now! Or go to the Save Our Rights March on Saturday if you can get to London.

268478 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 1, #958 of 2327 🔗

You must the the famous ‘Disgusted’, Lisa. Always wanted to meet you. 🙂

(Down here in E Sussex is not that far way !).

267888 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Paul, 8, #959 of 2327 🔗

A journey of 5,000 miles starts with a single step.
Keep the faith.

267932 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Paul, 6, #960 of 2327 🔗

Paul – you are not on your own.

Until people begin to actively push back (not just quietly ignore), this spiv shower will keep on pushing their luck. I doubt that they can quite believe how successful they’ve been so far in terms of herding sheep.

So … keep on trucking in the knowledge that all of us get to rationally feeling pretty down at times as this shit-show continues.

269300 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #961 of 2327 🔗

Absolutely right….it needs to be active pushback. Never wear a mask…support any person or business breaking the rules …tell everyone you know you think its all horseshit etc.

267957 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Paul, 10, #962 of 2327 🔗

I could write something similar. I’m in the land of the ‘turdgion’ and since March we haven’t been ‘allowed’ visitors in the home for 6 months. I am now on anti depressents as well as two of my adult children and my grandsons dad tried to commit suicide two weeks ago.

Take hope from groups like this and try not to look too far ahead.
My brother is in Lincolnshire and like you is rural and I wait his response to this nonsense.
You are not alone.

I am now a criminal, me at 60 years old a criminal and I’m committing these offences on nearly a daily basis. Today I had a lovely walk with my daughter and grandchildren then we came back to mine and had lunch. None of this nonsense about 2 metres apart crap and lots of cuddles from my year old grandson.

268027 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Just about sane, 3, #963 of 2327 🔗

Cuddle Criminal ! 👹

268007 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Paul, 4, #964 of 2327 🔗

Sorry to hear this Paul. You can take pleasure in your family being a lot more switched on than mine though.

268015 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Paul, 2, #965 of 2327 🔗

My last conversation today was with an OAP who, when I mentioned us going into tier 2, just said

‘won’t make much difference to me luv I’ll just carry on with me lockdown. It’s sad for some people I suppose’

After a few more prompts she came out with

“My son broke his back in February but they cancelled his operation back in March an he’s been waiting ever since and now they cancelled it again yesterday . . .”

I could almost feel the penny drop, the self centred old cow.

267764 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #966 of 2327 🔗

Tier 1 is everything open

Tier 2 is you have to eat if you’re on a session – good advice with or without a pandemic

Just found out I’m in Tier 2 – rural Bucks – no great shakes – will ignore all the meeting people rules as normal anyway

267832 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 12, #967 of 2327 🔗

Tier 1 is everything open” Sorry but this is not accurate. Many places closed – nightclubs for example, and many other places only “open” in name (universities) or severely restricted (muzzles, pre-booking etc etc). A place is only “open” if it is able to operate on the same basis as before the madness.

267861 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Julian, 5, #968 of 2327 🔗

Absolutely. In all of the many things that are making me very angry at the moment, the one that is really making me throw things is the fact there is no tier 0 anywhere.

267881 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steph, 3, #969 of 2327 🔗

I think it’s wishful thinking to think there will ever be a Tier Zero unless and until we get rid of the PM. Even then, it may never come back in our lifetimes.

267986 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steph, 3, #970 of 2327 🔗

It’s tier 0 round my place if anyone wants to visit (BaB of course).

267945 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 2, #971 of 2327 🔗

you’re right and I’, just being flippant. Watching Neil Oliver earlier was marvellous. The rage he has for the government presuming it even has the right to tell us what to do with our private lives and even in our homes

267977 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, #972 of 2327 🔗

Well at least that nice Mr Johnson is letting us have a lovely Xmas even if horrid hancock is trying to spoil it for everyone. Good old Boris !

267769 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 29, #973 of 2327 🔗

People commenting on the social media of our local newspaper appear to have unofficially en masse adopted a brilliant replacement for Bedwetters…

Rona Boners

I love it! It’s perfect.

267822 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #974 of 2327 🔗

I love it. Someone should form a rebel folk band called BJ and the Rona Boners

267842 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #975 of 2327 🔗

Now that’s a gig I’d go to! Singing, dancing, talking to strangers and No anti-social distancing of course 😃

267771 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 15, #976 of 2327 🔗

I Created this map based on Government list in paintmaps.com – please correct any mistakes
You can certainly see the red wall! – I believe that BOJO can wave it goodbye
Source – https://order-order.com/2020/11/26/read-in-full-the-new-list-of-tiers/

267833 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #977 of 2327 🔗

Had to google the little area west of London…Slough. Guess their leaders have upset someone in Westminster!

267892 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #978 of 2327 🔗

who would have thought it, the majority seem to be in the core working class/less well off northern areas. Either thats due to local labour councils begging for tier 3 funding from big government or people aren’t taking notice of all the westminster dictats…I suspect a combination of both.

267900 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #979 of 2327 🔗

Certainly a strong correlation of Tier 2 with the county set’s interests. Buying off the traditional Tory?

Any statistically and geographically literate individual would immediately be raising an eyebrow – even if the underlying basis had some validity.

267773 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 20, #980 of 2327 🔗

Brace yourself for a bumper number of “cases” and deaths today, as is usually the case when they want a new diktat to bed in.

267786 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Now More Than Ever, 7, #981 of 2327 🔗

I think that’s what yesterday’s 696 was for, but you could be right; maybe they’ll go for 800 today, then the big 1K next Tuesday. 🙁

267789 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Now More Than Ever, 4, #982 of 2327 🔗

Happens every time.

267893 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #983 of 2327 🔗

Deaths in my soon to be tier 2 county have been bumping along at 0-1-2 a day for months. I expect 10 on Monday.

268456 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., #984 of 2327 🔗

I guess I’d know too if I followed the msm/government lies.

Who (and why) does this sort of thing ?

267820 ▶▶ Will, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #985 of 2327 🔗

Cases will be low because the lockdown is working, apparently. They have been releasing plenty of saved up deaths over the last few days because these are, supposedly, “baked in” from before lockdown ( of course they are because many of them actually occurred in September and October.

267793 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #986 of 2327 🔗

Lol I am in Tier 2.. no household mixing.. no sex between adults.. no friends.. not many people are going to abide by these rules.

I do hope this growing backbench rebellion fights against this. I am still just amazed they are are seemingly going for this mad unworkable pie in the sky great reset.

267811 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to chaos, 10, #987 of 2327 🔗

It doesn’t help when the biggest psychos are HM opposition.

268218 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom Blackburn, #988 of 2327 🔗

Opposition? I haven’t noticed that we have an Opposition Party. We have a wannabee Dictator as the Leader of the PLP whose ‘victory’ speech consisted of two things. The top priority is appeasing the Jewish community (still his top priority) and the second not to provide any opposition to the Government merely to ask them to correct their ‘mistakes’. Yep. He said this.

267885 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 1, #989 of 2327 🔗

With luck they have shot their bolt too soon.

267927 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to chaos, 2, #990 of 2327 🔗

Everyone I know abides by the rules, imagine how frustrated and angry that makes me feel! I don’t think I’ll ever recover from what I’ve witnessed among my friends and family, sadly I will struggle to see them in the same light again.

269307 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Moomin, #991 of 2327 🔗

I am afraid you have seen them for what they really are. You will never see them again in the same way.

267798 Awkward Git, 11, #992 of 2327 🔗

Good to see so many anti-government and anti-restriction comments on the Daily wail’s website and the few and far between pro comments roundly vilified and voted down.

Not much support for Government and parliament anywhere.

267806 Zak Thelotofem, 12, #993 of 2327 🔗

Our lives, livelihoods and freedoms are being dictated by the outcomes of a ‘test’ with the reliability of a chocolate fireguard (the FP rate either a secret or more likely not known). “The mass testing programme has been a huge success in revealing the failures of PCR testing and showing that Liverpool had no COVID. The rates fell as soon you started measuring it properly.” (Dr Clare Craig)

Oh well, we have the government’s cost-benefit ‘anaylsis’ to look forward to.

267807 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #994 of 2327 🔗

They have a YouTube channel. Where they share and waffle their mad plans.
Thumb ’em down

267868 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, #995 of 2327 🔗

Done, not many yet but some great comments.
Please flag up to Toby

267968 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to chaos, 3, #996 of 2327 🔗

WEF? or THRUSH ( Technological Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and the Subjugation of Humanity)? I think we need Napoleon Solo and Ilya Kuryakin ….

268200 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Miss Owl, #997 of 2327 🔗

Always did fancy David McCullum a little bit.

267809 Peter, replying to Peter, 24, #998 of 2327 🔗

Following this grimly preditcable and soul-crushing news regarding the tiers, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that the people in charge of this country are waging delibarate war against the people of it and, more specifically, anything that makes life enjoyable.

When I say “people in charge” I of course mean public health officials – SAGE, PHE and NHS top-level staff as it is clear they, not this shameful excuse for a Government (Sirs Charles Walker and Desmond Swayne excepted), are now in charge of the country.

The sad reality is that the overwhelming majority of senior public health officials are puritanical, far-left zealots who abhore people having any enjoyment of their lives. Specifically they utterly despise the consumption of alcohol and are doing everything in the power to limit its consumption by people, in a vastly misguided attempt to reduce the number of people visiting A&E and, more widley, having to be treated for any conditions (long-term and booze-related accidents) that stem from the perceived evil of drinking. There can be no other explanation for the rules in tiers 2 and 3…what on earth constitutes a substantial meal…it is completely different from one person to the next. Who on earth has the final judgement on whether someone’s meal is substantial or not…the police? Council workers? God forbid as their judgement is about as balanced and rational as that of Govt ministers – can see police officers all over the country bolstering their arrest record by confronting people who they don’t think are eating enough.

My biggest fear is that this madness will never end here, Britain is hurtling towards becoming the waking nightmare of places to live that are North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Cuba etc, where all enjoyment is utterly forbidden and punished severly.

Their cannot be any other explanation, those in charge know exactly how much damage they are doing to the economic and social structure of this country and they are enjoying every ounce of pain and misery they are causing. The a**e wipe Hancock can barely suppress the smirk on his face when announcing the latest raft of restrictions.

267867 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Peter, -1, #999 of 2327 🔗

senior public health officials are puritanical, far-left zealots “

These typifications in terms of old-style self-serving political definitions (apart from being stupid) miss the point big-time. Such brainless sectarianism certainly isn’t going to counter the scam (particularly one where the current prime driver is actually from the right).

267897 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #1000 of 2327 🔗

“from the right”. As someone who considers himself on the right, whatever “right” is driving this is not in my view “right” and in any case I disavow them (to use an awful word)

267907 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to RickH, 1, #1001 of 2327 🔗

Hmmm…not on board with that RickH – maybe an over-simplification of the situation, but its certainly not “brainless sectarianism”.

Also you missed the “overwhelming majority” part of the quote you took a small part of, which is undoubtedly true, agree not all of them have these views but Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc all very much do.

267964 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Peter, 1, #1002 of 2327 🔗

I predict a run on cheap ready meals on offer in pubs. e.g.:

I’d pay £1.20 for some disposable inedible gunk if it enabled me to enjoy a pint or 3 in a pub.

268012 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #1003 of 2327 🔗

Doubtless pubs will find a way around this Andy – there were some excellent examples of 1p chicken wings etc during the last tier system. However the challenge is (and I never thought I would encourage guidelines of any sort) if there isn’t clear guidance on what does/doesn’t constitute a substantial meal, the pub is exposing themselves to being closed on the whim of a police officer or council worker.

From memory when pubs reopened in Ireland there was a minimum spend (€7 or €9 per meal if I recall correctly) that at least allowed clarity. Not that I am for any of these regulations as they are clearly insane, but al least if there is some clarity pubs and punters can plan how to get round the regulations and effectively as possible.

268446 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Peter, #1004 of 2327 🔗

I reckon lack of clarity favours pubs and punters – without it, the council or the CPS will have to stand up in court and explain why a large spud with picked egg is not a substantial meal. Not going to happen.

268554 ▶▶▶▶▶ Peter, replying to JohnB, #1005 of 2327 🔗

In the long term yes, you are 100% correct, nothing will stand up in court and common sense will eventually prevail. The problem is police and councils will shut pubs down in the short term on a simpleton’s interpretation of arbitrary rules and, by the time things go to court pub owners will be bankrupt and unable to reopen, which is what those in charge want in the first place.

268203 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Peter, -3, #1006 of 2327 🔗

Life in Cuba is brilliant. It’s the USA sanctions that cripple the economy. People live a full life, eat, dance, play music etc.

268571 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1007 of 2327 🔗

Of course it is. That’s why so many Cubans risk their life swimming to Florida every year.

268725 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Peter, 1, #1008 of 2327 🔗

Yep USA sanctions cripple the economy. However having travelled in Cuba I can say they might be poor in money but they are certainly rich in life.

268840 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Peter, #1009 of 2327 🔗

Just how many then?

269311 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1010 of 2327 🔗

It was certainly great for Castro with his many palaces….not so good for the rural poor living in glorified pig sheds.

268834 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Peter, #1011 of 2327 🔗

You shouldn’t let the government off the hook. It is ultimately responsible for the mess in which we all find ourselves and as far as I can make out things are going to the government plan. And you’re being very hard on Cuba.

267813 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #1012 of 2327 🔗

Hancock: “cases have gone up where local leaders have not worked with us”

In other words these announcements are political revenge pure and simple. Against Middlesbrough and Hartlepool where local leaders literally told him to sod off.

Well this finally wake people up so they start breaking stuff?

267824 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #1013 of 2327 🔗

People are idiots. Manchester also rebuked for not playing ball and smoke blown up Liverpool’s arse even though the city (on the whole) stuck two fingers up to mass testing.

267853 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1014 of 2327 🔗

Andy Burnham was saying yesterday that the wanker was trying to blame him for Manchester being put into Tier 3.
I think he might have a point.

268269 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1015 of 2327 🔗

Handcock – Burnham.

If they were both drowning, and you only had one lifejacket, what kind of sandwich would you make ? 🙂

268574 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JohnB, 2, #1016 of 2327 🔗

I had a fantastic spicy prawn mayo baguette in Malmö once. Best sandwich of my life.

Sorry, what was the question again? Why am I holding this lifejacket?

267827 Liam, replying to Liam, 7, #1017 of 2327 🔗

I bow to no one in my level of anti-Communism, but Stalin’s order 227 does seem apt right now:

“Therefore it is necessary to eliminate talk that we have the capability endlessly to retreat, that we have a lot of territory, that our country is great and rich, that there is a large population, and that bread always will be abundant. Such talk is false and parasitic, it weakens us and benefits the enemy, if we do not stop retreating we will be without bread, without fuel, without metal, without raw material, without factories and plants, without railways.
This leads to the conclusion, it is time to finish retreating. Not one step back! Such should now be our main slogan.”

267849 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Liam, 3, #1018 of 2327 🔗

The resolution led to the turning point of the war and the eventual defeat of Germany.

268194 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Liam, #1019 of 2327 🔗

Boy that is so true

267829 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 39, #1020 of 2327 🔗

It is dispiriting that so many comments are complaints by individuals that their particular area has been unfairly treated and ought to be in a lower tier. There ought to be no tiers, no lockdowns, no mandatory social distancing, no face mask wearing rules, no rules of six or curfews or any of the totalitarianism. Opposition, to be effective, needs to be united in its rejection of all the violations of all our rights and liberties.

267838 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1021 of 2327 🔗

Predictable, though. Divide and rule never gets old.

267845 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1022 of 2327 🔗

Preach it brother Steve. Dead right.

268457 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Liam, #1023 of 2327 🔗


267850 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1024 of 2327 🔗

Absolutely Steve.I noticed that too.

We must reject it all, everywhere.

267855 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1025 of 2327 🔗

Fair point. I retract my earlier post. Although I am pretty terminally fed up with London’s attitude to Northumberland. Which is similar to most people’s attitude to their spleen. No idea where it is, no idea what it does, if pushed to draw it on a map would probably put it where the liver should be.

267991 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1026 of 2327 🔗

100%. I felt a twinge of shame when I internally let out a sigh of relief when my areas was Tier 2. We should all fight this together. I don’t normally mix with Tier 3 people, but on this I think we should forget our differences and work as a team – ie beat the shit out of Tier 1 people

268048 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, 2, #1027 of 2327 🔗

Yes! Cornwall, your last hour has come!

268377 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Waldorf, #1028 of 2327 🔗


268210 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1029 of 2327 🔗

Yes very true.

I think many people are now hoping for the “best” tier for their area.

It would have seemed inconceivable that back in March most would have given the slightest credence that they might think like that now.

We truly are being ground down, but must not accept it.

As difficult as it is to hold on to at times, we must insist that nothing short of no restrictions, no masks, no tests or tracing is acceptable. Full stop and end of story!

I am hoping that this latest BS today will greatly anger many more of those who, in good faith, were naive enough to believe that 2nd Dec might be the end, or, the beginning of the end.

Like happened with Brexit, people who thought it would all be sorted, if we just wait, might just now start to see what is really happening.

I keep sending doubters to this site and Talk Radio to hear non-MSM presentation of the facts.

It is becoming easier to persuade them.

267834 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 7, #1030 of 2327 🔗

There was a decent question from an Independent.

He asked whether we were counting deaths with Covid rather than of Covid.

Hancock did agree that it was a broad measure and it was more appropriate to look at excess deaths, which he said were slightly elevated.

So, how much are they up, is it statistically significant and if so can we examine why they are up – could it be that we are seeing some of the extra cancer, cardiovascular and suicide deaths etc caused by the lockdowns?

Any chance the CRG can make a point of this before the vote tonight?

267846 ▶▶ calchas, replying to SilentP, 3, #1031 of 2327 🔗

The statistics have now been deconstructed 136 different ways from 136 different angles.

There’s no there there.

267883 ▶▶ Liam, replying to SilentP, 4, #1032 of 2327 🔗

Monthly deaths for England and Wales (I can’t see the figures for Scotland and Northern Ireland providing any significant deviation) can be found here:


Gist of it, I make it 499,996 total deaths in E+W to end of October. Totals for whole of 2018 was 541,589 (including a freakish 64,000 in January that year), and 520,841 in 2019.

Snapshot. Last September there were 40011 deaths, this September there were 42,500. The October just gone saw 46, 296 deaths. That’s a whopping, er, 58 more than last Octiober. In a population of around 70 million. There’s been one, hugely anomalous month, and that was April. Everything else wouldn’t have even attracted attention.

267914 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to SilentP, 3, #1033 of 2327 🔗

Hancock’s reply has already told you that the point doesn’t matter. Otherwise he would have made a clearer connection between a particular statistic and the selection of particular measures; he does not. Excess deaths are agreed to be “more appropriate”, but the juggernaut continues unperturbed.

This pattern has been repeated multiple times since March: the lockdown overall continues towards narrowing and permanence, with some occasional label changes and easing/reapplying to disrupt any momentum of opposition efforts and narratives; in parallel, the reality of the data is frequently publicly recognised, but those admissions remain disconnected from “the announcements” and the accelerating totalitarianism.

Essentially “yes I agree with what you say” — and then continue anyway.

You should conclude now that this is not a data-and-argument driven situation, and make plans accordingly.

267837 Gareth, replying to Gareth, 27, #1034 of 2327 🔗

I’m normally a very calm and laid-back person. However, the nonsense being peddled by the Government, Matt Hancock, Sage and others is making me unbelievably angry. Reading this site and others helps, as I can see that there is a large group of people who view things in the same light. The question, how do we stop this nonsense? How do we rise up and fight?

267844 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Gareth, 11, #1035 of 2327 🔗

We keep buggering on Gareth.

Never, never, ever give up.

I am a human being and I demand that I live as a human being.

Every single day brings more to our cause.

We will win.

267848 ▶▶▶ Gareth, replying to calchas, 7, #1036 of 2327 🔗

Thank you, calchas. Somehow, we need to bring people together; to form a very visible mass who have had enough of this deception.

267860 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Gareth, 1, #1037 of 2327 🔗

Yes, me too. Perhaps we should focus on seeking a confidence vote in the government?

“Under section 2 of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, if the House of Commons agrees a motion “That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty’s Government”, a 14 calendar-day period follows. In that 14-day period a government may be confirmed in office, by a further resolution of the House, in the form “That this House has confidence in Her Majesty’s Government”. If no such resolution is agreed, a general election is triggered.” See: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02873/SN02873.pdf

We could all lobby our MPs (of whatever party) to support a motion of no confidence in this government.

267876 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #1038 of 2327 🔗

A confidence vote in the government? The opposition’s only criticism of the lockdowns is that they should have happened earlier and they should be more draconian.

A better route would be if the Covid Recovery Group members all sent letters to Graham Brady.

268155 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #1039 of 2327 🔗

This is the best avenue because you know, Starmer so craves power Labour would vote for this!!

267871 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Gareth, 5, #1040 of 2327 🔗

Mass disobedience.

But my anger has grown to such a level that disobedience is simply not enough any more.

268077 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Simon, 2, #1041 of 2327 🔗

It’s organising the mass disobedience thats the issue. I’d happily attend a protest but I’ve heard of no protests or dissent happening here in the North East. Google et al shadow block anybody that even thinks of organising one.

What we need is literally hundreds of thousands of people turning up for a mass demonstrations everywhere. Can’t see it happening as we can’t coordinate on Facebook or Twitter. if we were only Jihadists we’d have no issues from them whatsoever.

268152 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #1042 of 2327 🔗

FlynnQuill, nothing beats footpower, leafletting etc. If FB, Twitter and Google et al are shadow blocking then we need to revert to the good old fashioned way – word of mouth communication, organising together in person and not online and various other strategies. Remember the French Resistance didn’t have high tech to operate! I am happy to do my bit to coordinate local action here. Am awaiting BacktoNormal leaflets, have used some from here and am hoping to coordinate a local group for BacktoNormal. I don’t mind being high profile and highly active.

268258 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FlynnQuill, #1043 of 2327 🔗

KBF; SaveOurRights; StandupX; Freedom Network; and as Jo says, BacktoNormal. If you can find a group, phone calls, emails, personal contact etc. all become easier.

268145 ▶▶▶ Gareth, replying to Simon, #1044 of 2327 🔗

I agree – perhaps we should learn from France and riot. I’m sure there are a few farmers amongst us who could spread a liberal sprinkling of slurry.

268247 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Simon, #1045 of 2327 🔗

It’s a start. Agree that more would be better though.

268138 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Gareth, #1046 of 2327 🔗

It’s the Witless, Unbalanced, Pantsdown and Scally’s I am really angry with. They have blatantly falsified data to get us here and still have their jobs. Wancock’s just a power mad idiot who doesn’t know what he’s doing.

267851 Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #1047 of 2327 🔗

So those overpriced sharing platters with a few chicken strips and some garlic mushrooms that everyone orders after 6 pints on a work do are mandatory when you go for a pint now? It’s worse than I thought…

267854 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, #1048 of 2327 🔗

We need to push for an urgent review of the PCR test and it’s inadequacy – it is driving this. How can we do this?

  • Keep writing to our MPs?
  • Twitter bomb (coordinated send of same tweet to Hancock and others?)
  • All write to Heneghan et al. and ask them to focus on it?
  • Petitions?

What more can we do to expose this?

267877 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1049 of 2327 🔗

Sorry, but none of that is going to cut any ice whatsoever. It’s gone way beyond trying to preach reason. Mass disregard for the rules is the way forward. Gandhi stuff. Intelligent peaceful direct action (or inaction). Obstruct them.

267889 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1050 of 2327 🔗

Mass disregard for the rules is the way forward

Been doing that, pretty much, since the beginning.

267899 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 4, #1051 of 2327 🔗

But it needs to be coordinated.

267933 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1052 of 2327 🔗

Agreed. I think we have probably reached the necessary critical mass of opposition now for that to be done with real impact.

267906 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Sarigan, #1053 of 2327 🔗

I agree. Now Hancock has made it clear they don’t care about deaths, only cases, this has to be the focus. What we need is a short and easily digestible email backed-up by eminent and respected journals/science that can be sent to all MPs proving that PCR is a crock of shit. Perhaps a dumbed down version of the Portuguese legal judgement for the lay person?

Any Sceptics up to the challenge? Not really my field of expertise, I’m afraid. If drafted, I’d happily spend an evening sending it to every MP in the country.

267929 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kenadams, 2, #1054 of 2327 🔗

Awkward Git’s FOI reply from DHSC is surely central to this?

268679 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kenadams, 2, #1055 of 2327 🔗

Just sent this to my MP, Desmond Swayne and Graham Brady:

“As the DHSC cannot give a definitive answer to the questions:

1 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance that DHSC has that allow the PCR tests to be used as a diagnostic tool/test

2 – how can positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?

I contacted a manufacturer of RT-PCR tests that the UK Government use at present.

In their technical documentation they sent me it states:

“The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product.

The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician”

“Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.”

“This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen”

“This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.”

“Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.”

So I sent another FOI to the DHSC that asks and especially personally addressed to the Secretary of State for Health Matt Hancock MP and the CMO Dr Chris Whitty – what justification do you have to use a test that as admitted by it’s manufacturers is not a diagnostic test to be used to justify any restrictions whatsoever on the businesses and population of this country?

Can anyone answer me?

Attached is a FOI answer from the Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 that I received from my initial request back in August that you may have seen on various social media pages stating that a positive PCR test means nothing medically:

“SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

Don’t forget this quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the committee hearing:

It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

All FOIs and correspondence is available if you require it, just contact me.”

268675 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1056 of 2327 🔗

There is behind the scenes work being done on this and getting prepared for court etc, I’ve just sent the people dealing with ti all the stuff received today.

267856 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 16, #1057 of 2327 🔗

Ignore it all. As my mate tells me he doesn’t watch the news, has no internet etc. so he’s not heard anything.

He’s still waiting for instructions through the post. Seriously.

It’s the same with the local drunks in the park. They know nothing.

268141 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Eddy, 3, #1058 of 2327 🔗

And they are happy and not dead from ‘it’ yet apart from slowly drinking themselves to death, but we are all doing that probably.

267857 alw, replying to alw, 33, #1059 of 2327 🔗

If Jonathan Sumption is right (and I think he is – I’m a constitutional lawyer too, albeit not as distinguished), these rules are ALL unlawful. Yet we hear no voice saying so publicly apart from his, even in this journal. Huh? We are living under the most coercive regime in peacetime history and everyone just shrugs, while cities and counties cringe and beg not to be classified into a more severe tier. It is all rubbish and needs to be widely and vociferously called out as such.”

And 4 weeks on we are still awaiting the outcome of the Dolan case!

267865 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to alw, 7, #1060 of 2327 🔗

The courts have enabled this tyranny!

267882 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, -4, #1061 of 2327 🔗

How so?

Just blaming all and sundry does nothing. You may as well blame your Aunt Fanny for enabling it.

267916 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 9, #1062 of 2327 🔗

By chucking SD’s case out without hearing it, by delaying decisions and judgements. Justice delayed is justice denied!

267879 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to alw, 4, #1063 of 2327 🔗

…cities and counties cringe and beg not to be classified into a more severe tier.

Other way round, surely. Before the original ‘tiers’ system they were begging to get moved up into higher tiers because it paid better ‘help for the community’.

267904 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1064 of 2327 🔗

I don’t think the mancs are happy.

268636 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ceriain, #1065 of 2327 🔗

But it may now be very belatedly dawning on the likes of GM mayor Andy Burnham, that will he will be mayor of something resembling Berlin in 1945. He and others will also have to take the severest punishment that is coming to the treasonous Johnson, Gove and Handjob.

267901 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to alw, 1, #1066 of 2327 🔗

So why do you believe that no other constitutional lawyers are coming forward, alw?

267924 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to alw, 5, #1067 of 2327 🔗

We need more overt legal advice to the public so we confidently know what can be resisted. We need legal chaps like yourself to help inform the public of their rights – could not like minded legal people not form a group or equivalent to do the same, plus to offer support to businesses hounded by threats of prosecution.

267947 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Nsklent, 1, #1068 of 2327 🔗

The quote was from elsewhere and had difficulty posting and editing it.

268625 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nsklent, 2, #1069 of 2327 🔗

Resist everything, it’s all illegal and immoral, to boot.

267992 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to alw, 4, #1070 of 2327 🔗

Is there a short (say 1 side A4) summary of the unconstitutional argument?
I’m on a mission to “engage and explain” with police officers at protests and at speakers corner – particularly the liaison officers as they are tasked with talking to the public – with the aim of undermining their confidence in their superiors and the legal context.

267858 DRW, 4, #1071 of 2327 🔗

So we’re going to be in Tier 3, and Zoom University are doing their bit to keep it that way as they start pre-Xmas break mass student testing. Probably x2 post-Xmas break. Not that compliance was high under supposedly full LD.

267884 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1072 of 2327 🔗

Look on the bright side, when the revolution /public rebellion against these fascist scum does begin in earnest, it will begin in one of four countries- here, the US, France or Germany.

The cretins Johnson and Hancock have already briefed the Army, that is a given.

267908 ▶▶ calchas, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1073 of 2327 🔗

Yes.Once one big prominent ‘developed’ country goes.

267917 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1074 of 2327 🔗

It won’t be here, unfortunately. Most likely US, or possibly Germany.

267926 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to nickbowes, 3, #1075 of 2327 🔗

Germany looks promising, I think?

267941 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to mattghg, #1076 of 2327 🔗

Once or twice burnt, next time shy.

268051 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to mattghg, 1, #1077 of 2327 🔗

Well, their stupid gov has just extended their lockdown until 20th December, has introduced maximum numbers in stores which means people have to queue = people do not go shopping, and mask wearing at work if you cannot keep 1.5 metres apart from your colleague. No restaurants, cinema, theatres, gyms.
“Infections” are dropping, and as far as I can make out from my news outlet covering Northern Germany, mainly in care homes.
I was wondering businesses like department stores, who have several entrances/exits, are supposed to keep a tab on customers inside, unless they force everyone to use one door?

267931 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1078 of 2327 🔗

Army will do fuck all..Most of them are either kids from lower class families that will never shoot at their uncle or cousin on the street and the rest understaffed, under trained sof soy boys ( RM and Specials ops excluded). These are not the battle hardened brave man and women from 15 years ago, most of them have been out for years and are dealing with PTSD , alcoholism and drug abuse.

268037 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1079 of 2327 🔗

Yip, because of our politicians. They really are scum. The forces are there to protect the British public, not protect the government.

267967 ▶▶ Bella, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1080 of 2327 🔗

Yeah, well remember the French revolution really got underway when the army turned against the monarchy. No guarantee that the army are going to do what those two cretins want.

267915 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #1081 of 2327 🔗

Just got back an e-mail from the manufacturer of a test kit I conatced yesterday bout the 45 cycles in their instructions. It states:

This is a PHE requirement rather than what is laid out by the manufacturer. I have attached the CareGENE IFU for you to view.

I’ve thanked them politely for their honest answer.

267953 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #1082 of 2327 🔗

They also have this in the data sheets they sent me:

13. The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product. The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician


267982 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1083 of 2327 🔗

Which is being ignored on the majority of tests, surely? So they’ve openly broken their own guidance/rules.

268031 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1084 of 2327 🔗

And the Government. I like number thirteen. “ This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens”.

Says it all really!!

267987 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1085 of 2327 🔗

So, the test maker is saying “PHE have asked us to recommend a method that will give false results”- is that it, AG? Plus, para 13 ties in exactly with your FOI result.

268006 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #1086 of 2327 🔗

Basically yep.

Going through the technical stuff they sent me it also clearly states:

4. The detection of viral RNA of SARS-CoV-2 is dependent upon proper specimen collection, handling, transportation, storage, and preparation, including extraction. Failure to observe proper procedures in any one of these steps can lead to incorrect results.

6. Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.

10. This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen

13. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

14. Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.

So even the manufacturers are saying that the way the tests are being used by Governments is wrong.

I’ve asked them what, as a manufacturer, do they recommend a the maximum number of cycles to run on their test kits to give a valid result. Will see if they answer.

268220 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1087 of 2327 🔗

Fancy running a sweepstake on their answer?. I’ll get in first with 25

268648 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mjr, #1088 of 2327 🔗

Looking at their technical paper graphs it’ll be 30ish I think.

268020 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1089 of 2327 🔗

So if Track and Trace or anyone else has told you or your kids to isolate then that is fraudulent. Hence open to lawsuits.

You can only be told to isolate after a clincal diagnosis says so. This incidently is what the PHA 1984 was all about. Action can only be taken in extreme circumstances and after medical say so. It’s not a perfect but it is a much higher bar.

268099 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1090 of 2327 🔗

Great work Awkward Git.

268227 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Awkward Git, #1091 of 2327 🔗

Suggest you note this down and send it as an email to LockdownSceptics@gmail.com to ensure that it is seen by Toby/Will (and maybe copy other big hitters) as this is big news and a bit of a smoking gun

268652 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mjr, #1092 of 2327 🔗

They’ve already been sent it along with others.

Gone to lawyers dealing with things as well.

267920 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #1093 of 2327 🔗

Heard Jeremy Vine saying he was “Snowed under” with calls/emails from people complaining about the tiers. That was the only bit I heard, no doubt some bedwetters had their say, but it’s encouraging.

267934 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sam Vimes, 13, #1094 of 2327 🔗

People were quite happy to give away their freedoms until it eventually affected them.

It’s just a mask…
It’s only for a few weeks…
It’s the least you can do…

267938 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1095 of 2327 🔗

The Idiot Sheeple’s idiot in chief is hearing the drumming of thousands if not millions of tiny hooves.

267930 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 21, #1096 of 2327 🔗

As per a suggestion below, Walkers most popular flavour ever:

268003 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1097 of 2327 🔗

This pub has a cunning plan…

268018 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1098 of 2327 🔗

Genius :).

267935 Locked down and out, replying to Locked down and out, 5, #1099 of 2327 🔗

Not seen too much about this, but Corporation Tax is generally paid in January. Looking at various figures already being reported by a number of public companies I can see that there is going to be a massive drop in CT revenue for The Treasury early in the New Year.
My own company is getting a tax rebate in January and instead of paying CT as we are among many thousands of firms who have made a loss this year. So instead of receiving money, The Treasury will be paying out.
In 2018-19 CT receipts totalled around £55 billion.

268107 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Locked down and out, 2, #1100 of 2327 🔗

The big companies are required to pay in instalments across the year. Big tech who are doing very well from restrictions (as designed to do so) obviously don’t tend to pay much corporation tax due to various schemes. Receipts from small companies will certainly be down a lot.

Looks like a deliberate financial system reset.

268281 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Locked down and out, #1101 of 2327 🔗

Tip of the iceberg.How many people will be paying vastly reduced amounts of tax.The government were already borrowing every year to balance the budget.They will only be able to pay the bills by printing so collapse of the £ is guaranteed.

267936 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 19, #1102 of 2327 🔗

How come Archbishop Justin Welby found time to condemn the cut the foreign aid budget yesterday but hasn’t found time to condemn any part of the cruel lockdown measures in place since March? Is he a man of religion or just an establishment puppet?

267940 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Darryl, 5, #1103 of 2327 🔗

Puppet as in sock?

267952 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Darryl, 11, #1104 of 2327 🔗

Also telling a minister was willing to quit over the foreign aid cuts, but none see fit to quit over these draconian and devastating measures forced upon us!

Says it all really

267961 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Darryl, 3, #1105 of 2327 🔗

Yes – it is interesting to hear what he does comment on (including responding to pressure from BLM). Never mind all those whose lives are impoverished by this government (both spiritually and physically).

268009 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Darryl, 8, #1106 of 2327 🔗

Because he is a c@nt. Another rich virtue signaller who couldn’t give a shite about the people of GB.

268223 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #1107 of 2327 🔗

You gotta learn to spell cunt, FQ, 🙂

268083 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Darryl, 3, #1108 of 2327 🔗

I am afraid that this is common amongst the clergy. The attitude of the Church and clergymen has been worse than pathetic and NONE of the established churches have done any better or different.
I have represented to several clergymen that the their attitude has been at best inadequate and actually a complete dereliction of duty.
We have seen examples of numerous snitches (does no one read Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix?) but I have not heard ONE single clergyman (or woman) preach about this.
Clergymen witter on about ‘key workers’ which is a completely fraudulent concept.
They (the clergy) ignore the very real suffering that has been inflicted on the people of this country by (a) the First Estate (the Government), (b) the Second Estate (the Church) and (c) the Fourth Estate (the Press).
When I saw that Welby was skiving off for a sabbatical I was disgusted by the man. Christ’s words to the church at Laodicea come to mind.

268189 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Darryl, 1, #1109 of 2327 🔗

Welby is as full of the christian virtues as was the baby eating bishop of Bath and Wells

267937 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1110 of 2327 🔗

Just saw a McDo ad on the weather network that said sustainable beef.

268005 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1111 of 2327 🔗

plant based “burgers” too

268169 ▶▶ mjr, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1113 of 2327 🔗

not sure if the cow sees it as sustainable

268170 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1114 of 2327 🔗

Soylent Green

267939 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 22, #1115 of 2327 🔗

Anyone who seriously thinks we will be “back to normal” even by the summer must have been lobotomized. Haven’t they noticed yet that every few weeks it gets pushed back by a few months?

The time to fight back is now .

267955 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mattghg, 12, #1116 of 2327 🔗

I’m telling everyone I know that the restrictions are never going to end until we make them end.

So far the reaction has been reasonably positive. No one has defended the government like they were back in March/April, and many are now in agreement with me.

267999 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to mattghg, 5, #1117 of 2327 🔗

Like I said yesterday, Most of these people don’t even know they are dead yet! We need to organise and push back hard. At the moment there are a lot of us, but it’s like herding cats at the moment.

267942 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 22, #1118 of 2327 🔗

I have daily conflicts with people around me because I’m the only one that speaks common sense. Last night my wife complained how depressed her best fried is ( a very successful formal lawyer no writer) because of all of this . She told me that her highlight of the week is having a Zoom call with her mum with a glas of wine. I then foolishly said Why? Her mum lives a 5 min walk away from her house?? Surely this is stupid? and was promptly accused of being selfish, insensitive, judgmental piece of selfish shit … I will be honest here, I love my wife but not sure when my limit will be reached and I will just tell her to fuck off , can the marriage and start again. I’m very close

267958 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1119 of 2327 🔗

If I was a divorce lawyer I would be offering you my services for free.

267969 ▶▶ steph, replying to Thomas_E, 9, #1120 of 2327 🔗

That’s a tough one for you. If it weren’t for all the current nastiness, are you and she normally on the same page, share the same values, want the same things in the future? If so, it may be worth agreeing to disagree until all of this is over. Don’t forget that project fear was very well managed and scared the life out of a large number of people.

268002 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to steph, 6, #1121 of 2327 🔗

Agree with this. This psyop is a vast mindfuck aimed directly at the fear center of the brain. Worth taking into account.

269322 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to steph, #1122 of 2327 🔗

How come it did not scare us then…are we super human or something?

267983 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1123 of 2327 🔗

Tricky. I can’t imagine being on a different page to my wife on such a fundamental issue.

267989 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #1124 of 2327 🔗

If it’s any consolation I’m slowly falling out with my family over this too.

268074 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to DRW, 1, #1125 of 2327 🔗

I must be lucky because everyone close to me shares my sceptical opinions.

268024 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1126 of 2327 🔗

Stick with it. It’s not as if you can go out and find a replacement anyway with socialisation and relationships being illegal and all.

268064 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1127 of 2327 🔗

Your beloved sounds to me, and forgive me for saying so, I mean no offence, like a high maintenance drama queen. Has she ever said, in exasperation, ‘ it isn’t about the nail ‘?

Should you decide to ‘can’ the marriage you could consider whether it is worth the bother of starting again with another woman. Like you, I love my wife, however, there are occasions … and should she ever take it into her head to can me she will not be replaced.

268068 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1128 of 2327 🔗

Cultural Marxists do love to break down families, which is what we’re seeing play out all over the place. It’s easy for me to say this, but don’t let them break down your family too.

268091 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to mattghg, 1, #1129 of 2327 🔗

Nothing to do with cultural marxism. It is the destruction of the foundations of society this Govt are after so that upon seriously rocky foundations Fascist Totalitarianism can take hold just like the collapse of the Weimar Republic.

268120 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1130 of 2327 🔗

Well, we agree that the dark forces at play love to break down families. I’m not really sure *what* to call the ideology involved, but it sure as anything isn’t benign.

268084 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1131 of 2327 🔗

You know Thomas, it’s a very tricky situation. This is a really major issue on which to disagree because it involves the loss of liberty, freedom, socialising in fact the loss of humanity. A disagreement so deep it is probably not reparable unless your wife understands the gravity of our political situation at the present time. You seem to be near your limit and the truth is, this is the collateral damage we are talking about on this site, the breakdown of society.

There’s not a lot you can do about the effects of brainwashing on people. The FBI has a whole department working with survivors of cults who are very well trained in deprogramming techniques and what is required. They have a lot of success but, strangely enough, the Davidian Cult (David Koresh) are still deeply entrenched in their brainwashing.

It’s also almost impossible to go away on your own for a few days for some respite and thought which would be a good thing to do in these circumstances. It’s a Catch 22 situation.

I am single and have been so more than I have been in relationships in my life. I don’t have to make these choices about which I am glad in this current climate. It is a terrible position you and your wife find yourself in, forcibly incarcerated so to speak so any disagreement will be 10,000 magnified in a closed environment and be more devastating.

Rational discussion in this highly polarised environment is impossible being of course, the Govt’s end game. Have faith, have courage and believe that your marriage is worth saving if you can, if you like, reboot it differently.

268204 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1132 of 2327 🔗

Off topic –

They have a lot of success but, strangely enough, the Davidian Cult (David Koresh) are still deeply entrenched in their brainwashing.

As I recollect, it was Clinton’s FBI who set fire to men women and children at Waco. Did you intend to trivialise their appalling deaths, Jo ? Would you not agree it was the fire-starters who need recovery from cruel/bizarre/cultist behaviour ?

268326 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to JohnB, 1, #1133 of 2327 🔗

John B, I have researched Waco in-depth. I mean in depth. I have compiled a large dossier about it. Having regard to all the pro and against information as to the FBI and Koresh culpabilities. Koresh was already leading them to certain death by suicide. Survivors gave interviews which explicitly described the internal Koresh narrative at the time. I am an ardent critic of USA police brutality but where WACO is concerned, I believe the evidence shows that Koresh was firing guns inside not only that, but children were clearly being abused, women were being abused, there was an above level of coercive control, really harsh punishments and much more. My conclusion is that the FBI and SWAT took the necessary decision after weeks of trying to negotiate with Koresh who was playing games with them. He put the people at serious risk by his actions and there can be no question that he would have initiated mass suicide a la Jonestown.

There is something about the USA psyche that tends towards brainwashing and cults. Even their so called mainstream religions operate techniques employed by cults. In fact, they are pretty similar to what we have here now with Covid: Separating people from their friends and their community; harsh punishments for naysayers and those who challenge the narrative (or in these religious cults, the pseudo messiah); total control over people’s personal relationships, who they can or cannot have a relationship with, the mass of the ‘congregation’ being selected for specific tasks on the basis of their die hard devotion to the preachings and the complete subjugation and effective enslavement of women who are mere handmaidens in the scheme of things. It goes like this (and this is official): God, Church, Husband, Children, Women.

So, when people on here talk about a Covid ‘cult’ they are right, the same brainwashing and control techniques are being used.

269126 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Dominich -, -1, #1134 of 2327 🔗

I have researched Waco in-depth. I mean in depth. I have compiled a large dossier about it.

Well done. Still useful even if one arrives the wrong conclusion. 🙂 It’s often the little things, like the passports at 9-11. For Waco, the missing steel door speaks volumes.

Koresh was already leading them to certain death by suicide.

Debatable – hard to explain why he let a dozen just leave then. Certain like in “Stay home or you’ll kill granny” perhaps ?

Survivors gave interviews which …

Hopefully not the survivor kept in solitary at Leavenworth for seven months, and beaten and tortured ?

… mass suicide a la Jonestown.

Ha. CIA mass murder more like.

There is something about the USA psyche that tends towards brainwashing and cults.

Weren’t there over 30 UK Davidians at Waco ?

So, when people on here talk about a Covid ‘cult’ they are right, the same brainwashing and control techniques are being used.

For sure.

268097 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1135 of 2327 🔗

I am sorry to hear this. Please don’t break up. My prayer list gets longer every day.

268212 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1136 of 2327 🔗

All the best, Tom, whatever you decide. Has your missus done the study/research/analysis ?

I’m very lucky that my wife is at least as fierce a sceptic as I am. My little brother is a total bedwetter though.

269320 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Thomas_E, #1137 of 2327 🔗

I do sympathise…I sometimes get the same reaction and my partner is quite sceptical and works illegally in lockdown. Maybe its a woman thing! But yes maybe time to just fuck her off lol…..never too late to start again.

267950 steph, replying to steph, 7, #1138 of 2327 🔗

I am fed up to the back teeth of writing to my MP, head of the CC and the PM to either be ignored or fobbed off with the lies which are the party line.
I meet very few people these days but when I do it’s clear that so many are breaching the rules in small ways and are thoroughly fed up. Each time I hear somebody saying they are disobeying it warms my heart a little.
But what more can we do now? In the last couple of days I have volunteered to be a coordinator / distributor for 2 organisations that were linked to here and I’m awaiting their instructions. What else is there? I am doing more than I am “allowed” to do but am not able to do most of the things I want to do as they just don’t exist currently.
The Tories must know they are a busted flush, especially in the red wall but they are just ploughing on with destroying the country. As for HM’s opposition, they just want more restrictions for longer. Help!!!!!!

267960 ▶▶ Paul, replying to steph, 4, #1139 of 2327 🔗

It seems they are definitely implementing a scorched earth policy.

267951 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 15, #1140 of 2327 🔗

Quote from the Sun (today):

“Liverpool is being hailed as a success story after mass testing by the Army helped bring infection rates down to 162 per 100,000 people from 700 five weeks ago.”

Why worry about a vaccine if testing brings the infection rate down? (Who writes this stuff!)

267973 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1141 of 2327 🔗

How the fook can testing bring down the infection rate? What is says to me, and any other person with half a brain is how horrendously useless the PCR test is. The PCR test is what is showing everyone to be infected, it is not rocket science. I can’t understand how our MP’s and MSM can’t make the connection. Well, I can as they choose not to.

268057 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #1142 of 2327 🔗

True what they actually found of course was that there was no virus in Liverpool. This is just propaganda again to get the people flocking to the test stations to bump up the case numbers again. I am finding people have reached saturation with all of this now. Especially those that come into the petrol stations. A lot is now being ignored.

267956 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1143 of 2327 🔗

How long has Matt Hancock been an MP? What was he doing in Davos in 2018? Who sent him? Did he hold a position in PM Theresa May’s government at the time? Mark Windows continues to mention David Cameron’s ‘Big Society’ agenda. Even Gordon Brown.

268014 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to richard riewer, #1144 of 2327 🔗

He was Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport under Theresa May

268034 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Ceriain, #1145 of 2327 🔗

And look who’s nominally in charge there now.

268036 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, #1146 of 2327 🔗

Several junior ministerial posts before that.

267962 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1147 of 2327 🔗

Vaccines will be part of a COVID-19 “toolkit” – not a solution in themselves. I know this has been reported already, but further confirmation from the WHO’s Dr Mike Ryan speaking in Ireland today:

Ryan told reporters that vaccines need to be added to “our existing toolkit”.
“We need to be very careful here that we don’t have a belief of ‘Oh, we have the vaccines coming down the road, so we’ll just wait for them and we’ll finish this’. Vaccines by themselves do not equal zero-Covid.
“I believe what can equal zero-Covid is if we add vaccines to our continued vigilance on physical-distancing and mask-wearing and other things.”

Many will remember that Ryan famously advocated earlier in the year for mandatory forced quarantine – but he is today being given a human rights award – more below:

Dr Ryan is the winner of this year’s Bar of Ireland Human Rights Award, in recognition of his “tireless work and leadership in the field of public health”.
Chair of The Bar of Ireland Maura McNally SC, said Dr Ryan “quite literally put his life on the line in the course of his work to defend people’s human right to health – a right so highlighted in 2020 – and for that reason, he is a most deserving recipient of The Bar of Ireland’s Human Rights Award.”
She said the fact that the response of the WHO to the Covid-19 pandemic is headed up by an Irish man “has been a particular source of pride and comfort for people in this country”.


267972 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1148 of 2327 🔗

Not uncommon in totalitarian societies for the chief criminals to hand out prestigious awards to each other. It’s deliberate mockery of the oppressed population. Part of the scenery.

267980 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, 6, #1149 of 2327 🔗

I expect it will all collapse 5 minutes after Neil Ferguson becomes a Lord.

267981 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1150 of 2327 🔗

There can be no end unless the virus is eradicated.

But nobody seems to have stopped to ask if it’s actually necessary.

268049 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #1151 of 2327 🔗

Has the flu, cold, meningitis and other viruses been eradicated even with vaccines? No of course not?

268063 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #1152 of 2327 🔗

Flu appears to have disappeared off the face of the earth. For some reason.

268452 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Waldorf, #1153 of 2327 🔗

Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet?

267995 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1154 of 2327 🔗

Forgot to add that the COVID toolkit DOES NOT include your own immune system obviously as that has now been cancelled.

267974 NappyFace, 4, #1157 of 2327 🔗

Will / Toby – some of these ads link to scams eg a bitcoin scheme with fake news about television appearances that have never happened etc.

No issue with you topping up funds by selling some space, but can you not choose a better ad provider?

267975 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 26, #1158 of 2327 🔗

According to The Telegraph, Wancock said “Cases have gone up where local leaders did not work with us”. I’ve heard it all now. The man is an out and out toss-pot. Nothing to do with his policies then?

268045 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1159 of 2327 🔗

Gosh this virus gets cleverer and more discerning by the day.

268382 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #1160 of 2327 🔗

It can almost remain suspended in air without a safety net, according to the W.H.O.

267978 Ali White, 4, #1161 of 2327 🔗

We’ve no political party that is suggesting anything but constant lockdowns. Why those at risk aren’t being supported to shelter while the rest get back to living is beyond me. There isn’t a single word out of Boris’s mouth we can trust. Hancock is loving this. They won’t give up the power they now have easily. The corruption, with contracts, is mind blowing. The damage to mental health, any non covid diseases, and the economy is going to be disastrous.

267998 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1162 of 2327 🔗

BBC live feed:

The mayor of the Sheffield City Region has said “lockdown must not become limbo” and called for a “roadmap” to get the area out of tier three “as a matter of urgency”.

Dan Jarvis, who is also Labour MP for Barnsley Central, said: “I welcome government plans to review our tier arrangements every two weeks, because every extra day we are under restrictions could be the difference between a business surviving the pandemic or going under.”

“We’ve been under tighter restrictions in South Yorkshire since October 24, and they are slowly suffocating businesses, particularly in the hospitality and events sectors. They are now being hit again just as they enter their busiest time of year,” he said.

“It’s deeply concerning that the government yet again excluded mayors and local leaders from
the decision-making process around the new tiering arrangements,” he added.

2 points for you, Dan:

Your party voted for this, you fanny.

“It’s deeply concerning that the government yet again excluded mayors and local leaders from
the decision-making process around the new tiering arrangements,” he added.

Still not getting it yet, Dan?

268052 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1163 of 2327 🔗

But what “roadmap” is he expecting. It’s been obvious for ages that the only roadmap the government has is the vaccine. Anyone who opposes lockdowns without realising this is wasting their time

268078 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1164 of 2327 🔗

Good job for the “Conservative” Party that the Labour Party hierarchy and membership are almost all just too profoundly hidebound and stupid to grasp reality. If they had seen reality instead of the ideologically manufactured construct they continually mistake for it, and embarked on a “populist” anti-lockdown crusade, this government would be facing physical eviction from office by now.

268094 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1165 of 2327 🔗

This is now the cycle.
Mayors/Council Leaders: “we need action now to get cases down in our areas!”
Government: “ok here’s your tier”
Mayors/Council Leaders: “let us out of this tier!”

268378 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1166 of 2327 🔗

Just ignore them. If ll the businesses opened up they would not be capable of shutting all of them down.

268527 ▶▶ Mel, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1167 of 2327 🔗

This would be Dan “Doing nothing is not an option” Jarvis about putting us in tier 3 the first time. Dickhead.

This is Labour all over on this, trying to attack the government on both flanks, whilst voting with them in every crucial vote. Dicks.

268805 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, #1168 of 2327 🔗

Translates as ‘I have not been able to get any more handouts from central government so have finally been forced to query the idea of lockdown.’

268001 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #1169 of 2327 🔗

Just had my ex calling up with headache, leg pain, and back pain.. wanted me to help her.. and what does she think she has? Covid. I wanted to help her, but couldn’t.. she wouldn’t listen.

I feel I am trapped in the most fucked up dystopian B movie ever made.

268008 ▶▶ merlin, replying to chaos, 26, #1170 of 2327 🔗

Just tell her that you can’t help as you have asymptomatic malaria

268040 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to merlin, 5, #1171 of 2327 🔗

That’s the first hearty laugh I’ve had today.

268079 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jo Dominich -, 11, #1172 of 2327 🔗

I’ve got an asymptomatic broken leg.

It’s really amazing, no pain and no plaster required. I can walk perfectly and I can even run on it!

268016 ▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, 4, #1173 of 2327 🔗

Well at least you’ve got an excuse to avoid her.

268030 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to chaos, 8, #1174 of 2327 🔗

No out of contract access to service support. Recommend contacting a third party.

268038 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to chaos, 4, #1175 of 2327 🔗

As last seen, they aren’t CV-19 symptoms at all are they? I don’t know any respiratory diseases that show these symptoms. I guess she’s believing all the bollocks about a deadly virus stalking the land therefore she is trying to be a victim of it. Britain is full of people like that.

268046 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 4, #1176 of 2327 🔗

Take 2 paracetamol, get some rest. Remember when that used to be genuine medical advice?

268065 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to leggy, 5, #1177 of 2327 🔗

I’ve been in a full GP waiting room in winter and one GP came out and said “If you have headache, runny nose & cough go home and take paracetamol, fluids and rest!” He wasn’t a happy bunny at all.

268368 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, 1, #1178 of 2327 🔗

Nominated for Best Film for next year’s Oscars.

268010 John P, replying to John P, 29, #1179 of 2327 🔗

I’ve just had a look at the tier bolox on Allison Pearson’s twitter feed.

Much as I like Allison, I think she is missing the point a little in retweeting comments by people complaining that they have been put into tiers alongside areas with higher “infection” rates.

The point is that none of us should be in any sort of tier system at all. The whole thing is a joke.

It is lockdown under another name. These wretches in parliament think we are all stupid.

The only places in tier1 are Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly and the Isle of Wight. What a fucking joke.

Hancock, is that the same Cornwall that thousands of people from all over the country visited in the summer and autumn? Thought so.

268023 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to John P, 6, #1180 of 2327 🔗

The notion that cases are infections is ludicrous, their own guidance on testing clearly states this!

268059 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 4, #1181 of 2327 🔗

Nevertheless encouraging anger at tier placement all helps to cast doubt on and discredit the establishment position.

268072 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 1, #1182 of 2327 🔗

Which is why my comment was not overly critical of Allison.

268156 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #1183 of 2327 🔗

I feel it dilutes the anger that should be focused on the tyranny.

268215 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, 1, #1184 of 2327 🔗

It’s a valid concern, but personally I don’t think anger always works that way. Historically, many political regimes have been brought down after losing credibility over relatively trivial issues.

Once people really come to fundamentally doubt their leaders, credibility s almost impossible to recover. They lose the mandate of heaven.

268221 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 2, #1185 of 2327 🔗

Bozo, Turdgeon and Dungford have the mandate of Hell.

268019 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 18, #1186 of 2327 🔗

The BBC, ITV, Sky, The Guardian etc need to be prosecuted for lying repeatedly to their viewers / readers over an extended period.

The catastrophic damage is all entirely self created and unnecessary.

As for our politicians, a GE is required and almost all of them need to leave, and the traditional parties discontinued, since they have completely failed the people of this country.

268058 ▶▶ Mark, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1187 of 2327 🔗

The BBC, ITV, Sky, The Guardian etc need to be prosecuted for lying repeatedly to their viewers / readers over an extended period.

They’ve been doing it for half a century and more. The problem is the prosecutors, judges, police and politicians either agree with them or don’t dare take them on.

Maybe they’ve pushed it too far this time – we can hope.

“As for our politicians, a GE is required and almost all of them need to leave, and the traditional parties discontinued, since they have completely failed the people of this country.

Indeed. The need is there and has been for decades. Can it be done? Well, the fptp system is difficult to overturn when both sides of the nominal divide have been captured. The first establishment party to be attacked simply loses to the establishment party of the other side. Long term gain requires short term pain.

We might have to suffer through a “right on” repressive Labour government while replacing the “Conservative” Party with something actually useful. Or vice versa, but the political left appears irredeemable at the moment. Almost all the genuine resistance (“populism”) comes from the right..

268071 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to NappyFace, 4, #1188 of 2327 🔗
268362 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1189 of 2327 🔗

How about prosecuting the people that believed them as well?

268022 calchas, replying to calchas, 17, #1190 of 2327 🔗

Have we flatttened the curve yet?

268028 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to calchas, 18, #1191 of 2327 🔗

Just another 3 weeks!

268776 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NappyFace, #1192 of 2327 🔗

Are we still two weeks behind Italy?

268026 bobdobbs0507, 5, #1193 of 2327 🔗

Peasants’ Revolt 2020/21?

268029 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 51, #1194 of 2327 🔗

“It’s just a mask”. The masks were the turning point. You could perhaps attempt to justify lockdown 1 as a panicked and uninformed reaction but if you accepted that masks were a reasonable imposition in summer with no evidence and no need that was the day you gave away your freedom for good. From there all else follows.

268047 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 25, #1195 of 2327 🔗

I think the near unanimous support for and compliance with the first lockdown was the biggest turning point. That was the end of freedom of movement and assembly.

Masks were a test to see whether we were willing to surrender our bodily autonomy. The answer, obviously, was yes.

The vaccine will be the permanent relinquishment of our identity as a human being.

268069 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Richard O, 29, #1196 of 2327 🔗

Let’s face it the whole thing is a process. The thing that annoys me most about people who say “it’s just a mask” is they don’t understand what it signifies. They don’t understand that by complying they are giving away a fundamental part of their liberty that begins with a mask and can end anywhere. The principle is the same whether it’s just a mask, just a vaccine, just a quarantine camp.

268082 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 19, #1197 of 2327 🔗

What these people do not realise is that they have already lost everything:

Freedom of movement
Freedom of assembly
Freedom of speech
Freedom of thought
Economic independence/wealth
Bodily autonomy

All of the above are now wholly owned and controlled by the state.

268142 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 5, #1198 of 2327 🔗

Not quite. They’re trying (hard), but they’re not there yet.

268136 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, 5, #1199 of 2327 🔗

To paraphrase, ‘The thick ye will always have with thee.’.

268240 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Achilles, 10, #1200 of 2327 🔗

Good afternoon Achilles

It’s that lack of understanding of a simple concept such as a ‘slippery slope‘, ‘thin end of the wedge’ or let’s been frank ‘cause and effect’ that has been the real eye opener for me.

Up till March, I genuinely believed the majority of people thought things through, weighed up the pros & cons etc… before deciding on a course of action. Sadly I realise I was completely wrong. Far, far too many people in my opinion are cowards and/or lacking in critical thinking skills. Sorry to be so blunt but I really don’t know what else to say.

Personally I’ve given up on friendships because of this, which saddens me of course, but feels that it’s the only option unless somehow they start questioning the narrative.

Best regards


268299 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Simon Cook, 4, #1201 of 2327 🔗

Critical thinking and the scientific method went out the window in March. Now it’s all about ‘feelings’. I despair.

269379 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Simon Cook, #1202 of 2327 🔗

me too have lost 2 friends so far maybe 3 [ or if not lost , not speaking , but gained 2 new fellow non believers in the great plague friends and found out one more friend is also a sceptic so is even so far

268054 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to Achilles, 19, #1203 of 2327 🔗

Agreed, but I think the work was done pre-mask. Masks were the litmus test and a major signpost on the road to our as-yet-unknown destination.

The population was asked to reverse their previous belief (that masks didn’t work and were unnecessary, even foolish) in an instant.

Primed by the psychological onslaught and evidently in a very malleable fear state, they duly complied and did so stridently.

268775 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alexei, 1, #1204 of 2327 🔗

Twas ever thus. Orwell pointed out in 1941 how quickly communists changed from respect for Nazi Germany to hatred once Germany broke the Von Ribbentrop Pact and invaded Russia.

268060 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Achilles, 20, #1205 of 2327 🔗

The masks were done to keep people in fear until the Autumn/Winter when they knew hospital admissions and deaths from all sorts of seasonal viruses would increase. Without the masks they wouldn’t be able to justify any actions as everything had flatlined for about 4 months! It’s so obvious to anyone with an ounce of intellect but yet the sheeple are ignorantly going along with it.

268093 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Achilles, 14, #1206 of 2327 🔗

Wearing a mask for any reason indicate to the Government that you support these draconian measures. Masks are about control NOT preventing infection

268044 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 13, #1207 of 2327 🔗

I’ve had another go at creating a vaccine jingle, once again sung to the tune of A finger of Fudge :

  • The covid vaccine is just enough to trick the very thick,
  • The covid vaccine is being used as carrot and as stick,
  • Does little more than chicken soup and rushed out double quick,
  • The covid vaccine is nothing more than a totalitarian trick.

It doesn’t scan quite as well as I would like. Any improvements gratefully received.

268053 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1208 of 2327 🔗

Very good. Last line could be

And sure as darned to kill you or make you very sick

268150 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1209 of 2327 🔗

Substituting jab for vaccine?

268176 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #1210 of 2327 🔗

Good shout! Much better.

  • The covid jab is just enough to trick the very thick,
  • The covid jab is being used as carrot and as stick,
  • Does little more than chicken soup and rushed out double quick,
  • The covid jab is nothing more than a totalitarian trick.
268659 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mabel Cow, #1211 of 2327 🔗

Get robbie williams to record it. Brilliant.

268050 davews, replying to davews, 18, #1212 of 2327 🔗

email just sent to my MP, guess one of many:

Dear James

I was encouraged when I saw your item in the local press suggesting
that we should remain in tier 1. You will be as upset as I am
that your health secretary has ignored this and based on dubious
figures put most of southern England in blanket tier 2 and similarly
most of northern England and our neighbouring Slough in tier 3. I am
sure many of our constituents feel the same.

Your inbox no doubt has been full in recent days of complaints about
the way the response to the Covid virus has been handled so I will keep
it short. You will be aware no doubt of the following.

1. The PCR test as used by Track and Trace is hopelessly unreliable and
the government has refused to state what the false positive rate or Ct
(number of cycles) used is. Even with the best figures it is likely
that up to 5000 of the daily positive test results will be false
positives and many of those will never develop symptoms.

2. Since everybody attending hospital procedures has to be tested for
the virus many of those dying will be dying for other reasons but still
recorded as a Covid death. Deaths from all causes are very close to
what is expected for this year and strangely deaths from flu and
pneumonia have dropped to near zero.

3. Promise of a vaccine is a false hope. As far as I know none of the
candidate vaccines protect against catching the virus or stop one
spreading it, only reduce the severity of the symptoms. The current
tests have been based on far too small a sample to claim any real
figured and long term side effects are unknown. I will be refusing this
vaccine at the moment and I understand many in the health area will be
doing so as well. Why should I have a vaccine with 90% efficiency for a
disease with a 99% survival rate?

4. There have been various studies that face masks do little if
anything to stop virus spread. The cloth masks many use are
particularly useless. Nobody wants to wear these but are frightened by
possible fines that they do so anyway just like sheep. I am pleased
that your government allows exemptions to the wearing and having
various health issues myself I do not wear one myself but it is very
distressing having to look at others who are muzzled.

We now know enough about the virus that its severity is nothing like
what was assumed earlier in the year. We also know by comparison with
other countries that lockdowns simply do nothing to reduce the virus
spread which will do what viruses do regardless. Please urge your
government through any debate and vote to remove all these unjustified
restrictions on our freedom NOW.

Thankyou for your interest


268175 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to davews, 2, #1213 of 2327 🔗

Good letter Dave. Nice and concise.

268211 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to davews, 2, #1214 of 2327 🔗

Great letter Dave.


268055 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #1215 of 2327 🔗

Tier 2
Household mixing banned. No family, friends, no sex unless you are living together..
But you can meet people in a pub.
And work, travel, attend outdoor events with 2000 people and indoor events with 1000 people.

268061 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to chaos, 10, #1216 of 2327 🔗

Those were already ignoring it will carry on ignoring it. It’s the people that are too scared to go out of their front door that I feel sorry for.

268096 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anothersceptic2, 20, #1217 of 2327 🔗

I don’t feel sorry for them, they deserve everything that is coming their way. Fucking collaborators.

268122 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1218 of 2327 🔗


268197 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1219 of 2327 🔗

I feel sorry for anyone who has been abused into losing their mind and lives in terror.

268207 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1220 of 2327 🔗

I don’t, because they scream for all the rest of us to be locked up in order to feed their terror,

268255 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1221 of 2327 🔗

Totally agree Karen.

268319 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to karenovirus, 4, #1222 of 2327 🔗

Agreed. I just can’t feel sorry for them (the adults, anyway) because they need to use their fucking brains, as well as that thing called the Internet, where they can easily find out that they are being lied to, often simply by looking at the websites of the governments that are lying to them. The truth is not really being hidden. I did not have a high opinion of humanity before this, but I must admit how surprised I am at how incredibly gullible, lazy and just downright stupid most people are. I knew, as someone working at a university, that education standards have been dropping for some time, but FFS!

268066 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 2, #1223 of 2327 🔗

You can’t meet people in a pub. You can meet people outside a pub.

268190 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to chaos, 2, #1224 of 2327 🔗

Can we have sex in the pub?

268216 ▶▶▶ Roadrash, replying to stefarm, 1, #1225 of 2327 🔗

Apparently only with members of your own household….

268286 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Roadrash, 1, #1226 of 2327 🔗

While munching down on something substantial. 😉

268298 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to chaos, 1, #1227 of 2327 🔗

What a load of bollocks these regulations are. i shall continue seeing any of my friends who want to come to the house, and hugging them if they need a hug!

268762 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to maggie may, #1228 of 2327 🔗

A friend of mine has just come up with a good phrase: ‘Venn Bubbles’. They are the numerous intersecting groups of friends/relations he is meeting during lockdown, classed as bubbles should any police constable or Covid Collaborator ask where he is going.

268305 ▶▶ Will, replying to chaos, 1, #1229 of 2327 🔗

Tier two you can only have a drink in a pub if you are eating a “substantial meal”. And who is going to risk buying much stock if these wankers can shut you down in two weeks if two hundred prisoners, a few miles down the road, test positive.

268070 Lisa Wakeman, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 17, #1230 of 2327 🔗

Am mulling over the latest tiers, what would happen if one day everyone who owned a small business just opened up their shop/gym/pub/salon/restaurant. Just all opened up together? What could the government do?

268087 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 7, #1231 of 2327 🔗

All these tier lockdowns do is to try to close the last remaining small businesses. WHY???

268118 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 1, #1232 of 2327 🔗

… ‘great’ reset.

268135 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 4, #1233 of 2327 🔗

Smother independence!

268181 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 2, #1234 of 2327 🔗

Universal credit

268236 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Victoria, 5, #1235 of 2327 🔗

Because small businesses are independent. And Politicians and Civil Servants do not like, yea hate, people who are independent. That is why the Kulaks were eliminated in Soviet Russia in the early twenties.

268244 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Victoria, 4, #1236 of 2327 🔗

Destroy anyone of independent means.Make everyone dependent on the state and big business.Pubs could be a centre of any opposition to the global fascist coup that is taking place.

268090 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 4, #1237 of 2327 🔗

I think councils have been given new powers to send in the heavies. And don’t they like being little dictators in local councils?

They can’t close every business down but they can make an example of one or two and that could be devastating for them. They rule through fear.

If there were a recognised pathway for challenge some brave or desperate people might try.

268552 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1238 of 2327 🔗

they have no right of entry, if its private property, dont let them in or ask them to leave immediately if they do not have a warrant to come in, thats the law, anything else is health regulations.

268144 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 3, #1239 of 2327 🔗

I think if the big chains joined in the government would have to back down

268413 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Julian, 1, #1240 of 2327 🔗

That’s not likely. They are the major beneficiaries in this. Excepting the hospitality industry.

268296 ▶▶ Will, replying to Lisa Wakeman, 1, #1241 of 2327 🔗

You can’t just open a pub or restaurant, unfortunately, hence why they are such a soft target.

269006 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Lisa Wakeman, #1242 of 2327 🔗

See James Corbett.

268085 Dan72, replying to Dan72, 10, #1243 of 2327 🔗

Would it all have turned out very different if it was Trump that was pro-lockdown and pro-mask? It looks like the collective policy has been to do the opposite of what he suggested…

268353 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan72, 4, #1244 of 2327 🔗

Sabotage all the way.

268089 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 7, #1245 of 2327 🔗

How many MP’S will vote for murder later?

268095 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Eddy, 2, #1246 of 2327 🔗

Most of them.

268104 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Eddy, 3, #1247 of 2327 🔗

At least 550.

268123 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to DRW, 3, #1248 of 2327 🔗

Don’t need 550 to be against. 70-100 is the beginning of the end for most PM’s. But like with May.. takes ages..

268146 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 1, #1249 of 2327 🔗

I was thinking 550 votes for and abstentions, with 100 against at most. Only about 40 against LD2.

268109 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Eddy, 2, #1250 of 2327 🔗

I’m expecting cowardice from the majority of the CRG. Does anyone else feel more optimistic about that?

268121 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1251 of 2327 🔗


268193 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, #1252 of 2327 🔗

Probably similar result to LD2 with only about 40 actually voting against.

268202 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, #1253 of 2327 🔗

I’d be quite pleased if it were that many, DRW! I think I need you to give me some optimism today. Thank you.

268234 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, #1254 of 2327 🔗

Guess there could be less.

268267 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1255 of 2327 🔗

No,most of them will be bought off as usual,it’s just a bit of pantomime to give a false glimpse of hope that they can crush in our faces.

268115 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Eddy, 6, #1256 of 2327 🔗

+70 against is all that is needed to start undoing Johnson’s grip on no.10.. 100 would do it quicker. Such a rebellion usually signals a vote of no confidence is coming. But it’s a slow process to shake off a coup. You’d have thought our democracy would have been designed to be better protected from such.

Boris is now the most hated UK leader I think in our lifetime.

268199 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to chaos, 2, #1257 of 2327 🔗

I say we can’t see the back of him soon enough but who would be any better? Gove? Rishi?

268265 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 3, #1258 of 2327 🔗

The whole cabal needs to go. Preferably straight to a hard labour gulag.

268331 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 3, #1259 of 2327 🔗

Sir Charles Walker?

268129 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Eddy, 10, #1260 of 2327 🔗

Brady says he won’t be:

BBC live feed (I’m reading it so you don’t have to 😉 )

Senior Tory MP Sir Graham Brady says he will vote against the new tiered coronavirus restrictions when they go before the House of Commons next week.

The chairman of the 1922 Committee of backbenchers told BBC Radio 4’s the World at One: “I have severe reservations on so many different levels.

“I do think that the policies have been far too authoritarian. I think they have interfered in people’s private and personal lives in a way which is unacceptable.”

He said the tier system was a “really heavy-handed approach” which “instead of looking at the actual local data and the facts on the ground, is going on a county-wide basis where it is not justified”.

He added: “I think when we look, in particular, at the experience of places like Greater Manchester… I think there is a limit to what it is reasonable to expect communities to absorb.

“There has got to be a real danger that, if these restrictions aren’t lifted very, very soon now, there will be a lot of businesses that simply won’t reopen.”

268393 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1261 of 2327 🔗

words, words, words – it never turns around the decision!

268587 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Ceriain, #1262 of 2327 🔗

what a sensible chap – easy really isn’t it?

268098 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 8, #1263 of 2327 🔗

No hugging and communal licking of tasty festive dinner spoons IS NOT RECOMMENDED.

And stay 2 metres apart for the celebrations, which must not include more than 8 people, excluding children.

Sturgeon has spoken.

268112 ▶▶ John P, replying to wendyk, 3, #1264 of 2327 🔗

Recommended for the festive season:


268128 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to John P, 1, #1265 of 2327 🔗

If only…….

268153 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to wendyk, 2, #1266 of 2327 🔗

She would argue black was white just to be difficult. She’s a bloody menace and the opposition are not any better, now they’re all claiming that the virus will be out of control by January. The loonies are now running the asylum oops sorry Scotland.

It doesn’t help there’s a bunch of lonely friendless people who like sharing their misery commenting the same but adding about all the deaths this will cause. Loonies the whole bunch of them.

I had already planned who we had this Christmas and it is under the 8 adults, I’m now looking to take it over this number 8 just to be as bloody awkward as her. So if anyone here fancy Christmas dinner at mine just to add to the numbers!!!!!

268273 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Just about sane, 2, #1267 of 2327 🔗

Good for you! The so called opposition at Holyrood are useless.

What a miserable rancorous country she has created with her endless effusions.

Welcome to the asylum.

268385 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Just about sane, #1268 of 2327 🔗

Tell them to bring their own roast potato spoons.

268179 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 2, #1269 of 2327 🔗

Well she has been gadding about for the last 9 months standing on her podium every day and she still hasn’t caught it

268262 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to wendyk, 2, #1270 of 2327 🔗

Surely “St Nicola” is the correct form of address?

268348 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1271 of 2327 🔗

I’d call her Nicola Ceaușescu but I can never spell it.

268947 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendyk, #1272 of 2327 🔗

What Zarathustra said was much more interesting.

268100 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #1273 of 2327 🔗

Tier 2 Trauma for pubs and bars. My heart goes out to these poor businesses.

substantial meal = must have side, eg salad…served on a plate to a table, and considered a normal meal.
can we come up with some ideas to help our friends and businesses who may not have professional kitchens?
my starter for ten;
‘Lockdown special; drinks galore and substantial meal’
i.e baked potato, dollop of coleslaw and some green leaves. Customers can leave the food or waive it if they wish. But the drinks galore can be 2, 3 or 4….of wine or beer or shorts. Ok, may not be tuned perfectly….but there must be ways to comply and still give punters a reason to walk in. I’d go in for two drinks and peck at a spud, even if I’d eaten already. Or tell them to ‘save the spud’ .

268114 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #1274 of 2327 🔗

What, and miss the chance to say “Hold the spud !” ? 🙂

268160 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to JohnB, #1275 of 2327 🔗

Ha ha ha

I’m thinking this: keep the incremental cost and complexity ultra low, and bundle the pricing. I appreciate that most pubs have food licenses, so this is about perceived cost and hassle for punters…and overcoming that. Ok, it ain’t perfect, cos the pub needs to cover costs in Serve/service and wash and…. etc. But maybe some publicans can come up with some great ideas. I bet Martin will!

268264 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #1276 of 2327 🔗

As much as I feel sad and angry for the hospitality industry when are they going to join forces and fight for their industry? time for hand wringing must be over by now

268706 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to tonyspurs, #1277 of 2327 🔗

I think there have been some court cases launched – but really I think we are now at the stage where people have to combine and say we are not following these rules so stuff it.

268105 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #1278 of 2327 🔗

The Great Reset new normal appears to have no room for pubs or clubs or restaurants. Though it does seem to have McD’s, Kentucky and Deliveroo.

268133 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to chaos, 7, #1279 of 2327 🔗

Not much socialising in McDonalds and KFC so the establishment clearly approves of the depressing sanitised corporate environments. Conservatives also seem to have a soft spot for global multinationals who take their earnings offshore (a bit like many ministers I suspect).

268134 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 7, #1280 of 2327 🔗

Anything with close personal interactions that are unregulated and not tracked and traced – private homes, crowded pubs and clubs

268703 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 1, #1281 of 2327 🔗

I suspect also that small businesses are being destroyed as a way of minimising the possibility of tax evasion – if everyone works for large firms they can’t avoid payment so easily.

268191 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, #1283 of 2327 🔗

Thanks this is great information, properly referenced.

Anyone can now study the pros and cons and then make an informed decision .

268111 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 14, #1284 of 2327 🔗

Did anyone feel really angry when they heard the news about the tiers? I get the feeling that the tide will now start to turn in a big way.

268124 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Eddy, 21, #1285 of 2327 🔗

I’ve been angry since March. I try to keep my level of anger at a level that does the situation justice without ruining my health.

I think every government action now will create more dissenters than existed previously, yes.

268341 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Julian, 2, #1286 of 2327 🔗

All to the good! The more the better and more effective. We just need urgent organisation.

268125 ▶▶ John P, replying to Eddy, 3, #1287 of 2327 🔗

Well lets hope so.

268131 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to John P, 3, #1288 of 2327 🔗

You got in before me!

268126 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Eddy, 7, #1289 of 2327 🔗

Only the normal people have the power to end this now, government are never going to stop.

268127 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Eddy, 7, #1290 of 2327 🔗

No. We knew that’s what they would do.

268132 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Eddy, 5, #1291 of 2327 🔗

I wished I shared your optimism, but commenters have been saying that on these boards for weeks if not months already without a lot of obvious progress. So long as people are complaining about the tier that their area is in, rather than the whole edifice of authoritarianism, we aren’t going to get out of this.

268137 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Eddy, 12, #1292 of 2327 🔗

You bet. Here where I live in Teignbridge (Devon) we have the lowest infection rate in England. But we have a lot of over 60s, hence level 2. The fucking cunts will make me swear one day. They fucking will!

268465 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to William Hand, 2, #1293 of 2327 🔗

I agree, I live in rural Devon, but find it hard to see anything other than 100% compliance with masks etc

268140 ▶▶ DThom, replying to Eddy, 3, #1294 of 2327 🔗

Furious. Absolute plonkers

268154 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Eddy, 14, #1295 of 2327 🔗

I still wonder if I’m looking at this all backwards from time to time.

Are they actually pushing for civil disobedience so that they can blame the economic collapse on the people instead of the politicians and bankers responsible?

Are they getting frustrated with the apathy of the people so are bringing about more and more obviously absurd measures?

It’s clear that this path leads to revolt, right? They can’t be that stupid can they?

Just a thought.

268177 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1296 of 2327 🔗

It has crossed my mind too. Or Boris waiting for public opinion to shift overwhelmingly so he can claim to be doing what the people want.

268490 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1297 of 2327 🔗

I wondered also if the Christmas reprieve is intended as an experiment to see if positive test numbers go up significantly. If there’s no spike then they might consider relaxing the lockdown, but they daren’t do it without a test period because they are so scared of the Rona. Of course, all this assumes the govt want to return to some sort of normality, which is questionable.

268192 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1298 of 2327 🔗

It would certainly be a plausible strategy. Of course, it would also be a gamble on the majority actually being on the revolt side, because if there are still more sheep than it’s electoral suicide.

268168 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Eddy, 1, #1299 of 2327 🔗

Especially now local LDs are in almost everyone’s backyard now.

268186 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Eddy, 3, #1300 of 2327 🔗

Yep. The hard part is that a large proportion of how I want to disobey involves getting other people to come along with it. I can’t call who will at this stage.

268239 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Eddy, 4, #1301 of 2327 🔗

Me and my better half have been permanently angry since April.

268420 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Eddy, #1302 of 2327 🔗

No, not angry at all. I knew that Lockdown wasn’t really ending, only being rebranded. I think most people will accept it. What I think will happen though is considerable confusion about what is/isn’t allowed, which will hopefully lead to a drop in compliance, even by those who are still taken in by the propaganda.

268113 PD, 5, #1303 of 2327 🔗

Pubs need to box clever and ‘tie-in’ with local takeaways.
Order pizza to be delivered from takeaway.
Drop a sprinkle of lettuce and a slice of tomato into the box.
Bish bash bosh – substantial meal!

268116 ianric, replying to ianric, 8, #1304 of 2327 🔗

Imagine if there are constant stories in the media, the internet and from the government about cookers catching fire. The government passes a law making it illegal to use cookers and cookers must be taken away for assessment and most cookers are away for months. When cookers are eventually returned there are restrictions on how long people can use cookers for, ovens, grills and rings can’t be over a certain temperature, there are limits what foods can be cooked and cookers can’t be used after a certain time of day. Regulations cookers must be taken in for assessment and then returned are constantly being re-introduced. This of course creates massive hardship. Nobody knows anyone with a cooker which has caught fire and the fire brigade have no records of house fire being caused by faulty cookers. The problem of cookers catching fire only exists in the media, internet and government announcements and bears no reality to what is happening in the real world.

The above is similar to what is happening with covid. We are constantly bombarded with message we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic by the media, internet and government but I see no evidence of a pandemic. I don’t see people dying in droves, surviving but falling very ill and if you ask most people if they know anyone with covid the answer will probably be no. I don’t even see unusually large numbers of people with mild flu symptoms. Everyone around me is healthy. If it wasn’t the hysteria created by the media, the internet and governments, you wouldn’t notice you were in a pandemic. We are suffering disastrous lockdowns over a pandemic which doesn’t exist in the real world and only exists in the newspapers, TV, the internet and what the government says which makes very angry.

268213 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ianric, 5, #1305 of 2327 🔗

When historians come to study and write about this period they will be seriously puzzled, for they will see no evidence of a serious public health problem.

268228 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1306 of 2327 🔗

However, they will see compelling evidence of mass hysteria and Government incompetence.

268307 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #1307 of 2327 🔗

I suspect their explanations will also involve vested interests.

268388 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to DJ Dod, #1308 of 2327 🔗

The biggest suicide cult in world history.

268289 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to ianric, 5, #1309 of 2327 🔗

The Covid19 “pandemic” is the only pandemic in human history that needs it’s own global PR campaign.

268315 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1310 of 2327 🔗

Yes ! the Black Death did its own media appearances !


268130 Stuart, #1311 of 2327 🔗

Enjoy your Brexit Lockdown and its underground tiers. Boris needs you comatose for the duration.

268139 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 14, #1312 of 2327 🔗

Lockdown 2.0 worked well, then:

268161 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1313 of 2327 🔗

Tiers before and after:

Source: BBC

268311 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1314 of 2327 🔗

Hard one for Wankock to explain – so he will just lie.

I heard there might be some people up at Kings Cross Saturday Lunchtime.

268143 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 44, #1315 of 2327 🔗

Well some good news..
Regulars to this forum may remember my post regarding the coronavirus Marshall in my area that had his four Tyres slashed and front Windows put in..Well yesterday afternoon he was reglazed then just after midnight he was un reglazed and temperatures fell to below zero..
Now some would say I’m a heartless bastard but I’m not,I have an Xmas present for him that will put some cheer back into his miserable life.. The 1978 hit by Mr Nick Lowe I LOVE THE SOUND OF BREAKING GLASS.. happy Christmas Marshall..

268149 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1316 of 2327 🔗

Although understandable, breaking his car windows was actually quite nasty. We still have to be kind to one another.

268162 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to William Hand, 3, #1317 of 2327 🔗

divide and conquer, all part of the plan.

268163 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to William Hand, 22, #1318 of 2327 🔗

Be nice to my oppressors? Nah, fuck that!

268171 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1319 of 2327 🔗


268173 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to William Hand, 17, #1320 of 2327 🔗

This is a dirty war my friend with no quarter given, the cost of freedoms never free..

268174 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Hand, 10, #1321 of 2327 🔗

Kind to human beings, yes.

268188 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to annie, 6, #1322 of 2327 🔗

Unkind to cars is fine.

268224 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to William Hand, 16, #1323 of 2327 🔗

Sorry can’t be kind to facilitators of the take over of our country by Totalitarian scum. A collaborator who has been part of the regime that has seen fifty thousand excess deaths in their homes and all our freedoms gone. A person that would have been shoving the Jews in to the ovens if he’d been born in Nazi Germany. It’s a pity he wasn’t in the car when his windows were put in. No sympathy for people like that, utter scum.

268276 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #1324 of 2327 🔗

Yes my friend your comment says it all I totally agree…

269338 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to FlynnQuill, #1325 of 2327 🔗

Bravo FQ!

268274 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to William Hand, 2, #1326 of 2327 🔗

Was the front windows of his car, or his house?

268283 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to mattghg, 2, #1327 of 2327 🔗

Yes it was sir the car glazing will hopefully be next..

268811 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mattghg, #1328 of 2327 🔗

Hopefully both.

268810 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to William Hand, 2, #1329 of 2327 🔗

Covid Marhalls are both thick and sick. They should hardly be surprised if real people don’t like them and decide to show it.

268151 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #1330 of 2327 🔗

unfortunately it will only get worse, the more that lose their jobs will be forced into jobs like that.

268243 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1331 of 2327 🔗

Or forced into robbing houses, all of the middle class wfh’ers should start to worry for their Audi’s, BMW’s, range rovers and scalextric Tesla’s

268615 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to stefarm, 1, #1332 of 2327 🔗

Quite possible. Hearing reports (friends of friends) of massive increases in crime, esp robberies, in London & surrounding areas.

268157 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 18, #1333 of 2327 🔗

Ventilation is very important in the fight against the virus – oh sorry, ‘deadly virus’.

Windows hinder ventilation.

268165 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 19, #1334 of 2327 🔗

‘Un reglazed’ , made me chuckle…
He’s made his bed so I’ve got no sympathy for him.


268172 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #1335 of 2327 🔗

Street justice is very quick.

268813 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to KBuchanan, #1336 of 2327 🔗

And in this case, very appropriate.

268178 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 15, #1337 of 2327 🔗

And long may it continue. Snitches get stitches.

268185 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1338 of 2327 🔗

What a poor Marshall

268209 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #1339 of 2327 🔗

Violence is always the last resort, but I cannot blame others for venting their frustrations like this. We are running out of other options fast.

There are enough psychopaths in the general population for things to get very ugly indeed. I will not stand in their way.

268217 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #1340 of 2327 🔗

Serves the stasi bastard right. Whoever did it, I’d buy them a pint; if the pubs were open that is.

268230 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #1341 of 2327 🔗

Collaborators deserve everything they get.

268275 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1342 of 2327 🔗

Wasn’t once enough for someone to make their point…?

268294 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to mattghg, 4, #1343 of 2327 🔗

Of course not, wasn’t lockdown 1 enough for someone to make their point get my drift…

268414 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1344 of 2327 🔗

What individual posters do is up to them – I pass no judgement. I would say though that some caution ought to be exercised in what is mentioned on this site. It’s produced by someone who is already in the sights of the establishment, and incitements to vandalism etc could be picked up on by those looking to discredit the cause.

269337 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1345 of 2327 🔗

I have no sympathy for these collaborators…..they dont give a toss about our lives.

268148 DThom, replying to DThom, 8, #1346 of 2327 🔗

Local officials all saying sad that it’s Tier 3 but it was needed

268158 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to DThom, 6, #1347 of 2327 🔗

They are wankers.

268180 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1348 of 2327 🔗

But they are not ordinary wankers. They are an extraordinarily disgusting strain of the wank virus. They are biologically enhanced WANKERS.

268201 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Arnie, 5, #1349 of 2327 🔗

They are wankers who are not content merely to wank, but who also collar anyone within shouting distance and yell “LOOK AT ME WANK! Look how splendidly I wank! I am better for you for I wank for the greater good! Where’s my money?”

268219 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1350 of 2327 🔗

Beyond wankers, more like rave-jerkers.

268183 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to DThom, 3, #1351 of 2327 🔗

Pockets being lined.

268632 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Eddy, #1352 of 2327 🔗

I think so.
I wrote to my council leader asking him not to take back handers!
Some hope

268184 ▶▶ DRW, replying to DThom, 2, #1353 of 2327 🔗

The marshalls won’t pay for themselves…

268206 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to DRW, 4, #1354 of 2327 🔗

Or their windscreens.

268164 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 21, #1355 of 2327 🔗

Fuck me Scottish government patting itself on the back by promoting ‘caring for carers’ campaign.

Fucking hell, virtually everyone under house arrest, illegal to hug granny and can’t mix with other households.

Fucking mental torture. What the fuck does our glorious leader care apart from her shiny suits, hair do and plastic high heel shoes.

268195 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to stefarm, 9, #1356 of 2327 🔗

Just one more of these fucking posturing sentimental infantile rhyming or alliterative campaigns and I swear I will “strangle a stranger”.

268205 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1357 of 2327 🔗

or decommission a politician…

268208 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to stefarm, 2, #1358 of 2327 🔗

And her mother looks like Elton John.

268238 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to FlynnQuill, #1359 of 2327 🔗

Ha, nice one.

268373 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to FlynnQuill, #1360 of 2327 🔗

She does, its uncanny

268167 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1361 of 2327 🔗

Apparent Impact of Duplication on Reported Number of So Called Cases

A quick analysis but for those that are interested I calculate that w/e 18th Nov so called cases that hit the government dashboard were inflated by 19.2% due to the impact of duplication caused by reporting a new so called case when someone was also reported as a so called a case 7 or more days ago. The inflation was only 9% in w/e 14th September and just 4% in w/e 12th August.

So it seems more that 24,500 so called cases reported in week ending 18th Nov had already been counted in the weeks before, and the problem has been growing due to repeat shoddy PCR testing.

This seems to be causing the slow rate of so called cases to linger in the South of England and certainly cannot have helped in the decision to shove us all into Tier 2. It has the dramatic effect of making it look like there are many new cases every week when clearly there are not, it is just the same people being tested again and again.

Sources below if anyone wants to spend more time on this.

Source 1 – https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases This is the reported data
Source 2- https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-statistics-12-november-to-18-november (watch it this opens an excel file) Table 1 has the deduplicated data.

268279 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1362 of 2327 🔗

I previously posted about that spreadsheet here: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/21/latest-news-200/#comment-258074

There’s a nice tidied up version of their Table 1; covers up to w/e 11/11/2020.

It’s all rubbish, IMHO; I don’t believe for a minute they are testing those amounts of people, especially in Tier 2. We all know the test centres are either totally empty, or have a trickle of visitors.

Also, as I pointed out in the post, the positive test percentage is absurdly high.

268304 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1363 of 2327 🔗

Local test centre round here is always quite empty too. It is there every week. There is though a lot that goes on behind closed doors and out of sight.

I know for a fact they do repeat weekly testing in all the care homes around here – staff and residents. All it takes is one person to have a positive test and they would keep appearing in the reported stats wee after week every time they had another test that was positive.

Residents do test positive sometimes and I also know that when the test is positive the staff are not allowed to take away their soiled laundry – it is popped into a bag and left in the bathroom for 2 weeks until taken away for cleaning. The staff hate this rule, and they hate the testing and the impact on residents.

268395 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to theanalyst, #1364 of 2327 🔗

That is utterly disgusting.
And they stopped slopping out in prisons because it was demeaning for convicted criminals.

268470 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1365 of 2327 🔗

The laundry should be put into a red bag that dissolves in hot water and could be washed immediately.This is what hospitals do with laundry that is contaminated with infectious material significantly more virulent than SARS-CoV-2

269363 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to theanalyst, #1366 of 2327 🔗

JUST. STOP. COMPLYING. Burn the tests. Stop reporting. JUST STOP.

268513 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1367 of 2327 🔗

Im sure when it done there will be a sudden finding of tens of thousands who died twice too.

268182 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1368 of 2327 🔗

Something a bit light hearted, her other videos are good as-well.


268222 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1369 of 2327 🔗

Saw a different one from this lady yesterday – she’s very good

268232 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dave #KBF, #1370 of 2327 🔗

She’s great.

“Our men are at war with renegade saliva droplets.”

268196 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #1371 of 2327 🔗

Will you ungrateful bastards please do what Princess Nut Nuts tells you to do

268226 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1373 of 2327 🔗

So called opposition (Labour) MP on TR a few minutes ago: usual “mealy mouthed clap trap”
“We have to continue to follow the rules, blah,blah, blah,blah”,
Over the years there has been several “false dawns” concerning new parties (Liberal Democrats/Green/UKIP) who were going to “break the mould in British politics” and time and time again, it hasn’t happened.
If a new radical (left or right) party isn’t formed to bring some “common sense” to our country, what the hell is the point of voting?

268253 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1374 of 2327 🔗

The answer in the short term, as Hitchens has suggested, is not voting, to take away any remaining shreds of legitimacy they pretend to.

Longer run, we need new parties. There are a number forming on the right as “populist” anti-lockdown and anti-woke forces – Reform, Reclaim, Heritage.

In the end it would make sense for the “Conservative” Party establishment to split between the woke/remain sympathising ones who would be perfectly at home in the Labour Party, and the actually conservative/traditionalist ones who should leave to join the new parties. As Hitchens pointed out again recently, the “Conservative” Party is no longer conservative, represents nothing of any importance, and has been redundant for a decade and more now.

268617 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mark, 1, #1375 of 2327 🔗

I wish L fox could get reclaim off the ground.

268288 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1376 of 2327 🔗

Specific politics aside – the membership of the Labour Party voted massively for Corbyn precisely because of that desire to break the establishment stranglehold. That was the real driver, not any slavish belief in Corbyn himself, just a desire to cut the strings of vested interests.

What happened is an object lesson for anyone trying to break the mold. The massed bands of the establishment united in a frantic propaganda campaign (as we’ve seen again with Covid), exploiting the slavish complicity of the media and uniting it with the state propaganda organs. Thus all the ‘anti-semitism’ patent nonsense, harnessing the Israel lobby to the cause (and offending and targetting many Jewish individuals and organisations in the process) – along with various other lies and omissions that have been analysed thoroughly elsewhere.

Thus we end up with no opposition (called ‘Starmer’) or even alternative analysis crossing the horizon of most individuals.

Note the role of the Guardian in both cases – it’s a very interesting story.

Although this was within a long-established Party, the same dynamic will apply to any new initiative.

268621 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #1377 of 2327 🔗

Brilliant and true analysis.

268229 Mark, replying to Mark, 26, #1378 of 2327 🔗

Rishi Sunak will need to find £40billion A YEAR in tax rises and spending cuts by the middle of the decade if he wants to balance the books, says IFS as it warns UK is in ‘uncharted territory’ comment image
Rishi Sunak will need to find £40billion a year in tax rises and spending cuts by the middle of the decade if he is to restore balance to the nation’s finances, the respected IFS think tank warned today.

Can we have no more nonsense then about lockdown being somehow “precautionary” or “conservative”?

Let’s recognise it for what it was – a radical , experimental , unprecedented , panic reaction, done by people who have no right to be described as conservative or cautious any more. These people are radicals, by definition, and based upon their own acts.

268242 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mark, 3, #1379 of 2327 🔗

As someone else has posted, next year’s budget will be very painful.

268246 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 4, #1380 of 2327 🔗

The government doesn’t give a shit. We are paying for this. The goal here is the end of all private property.

268266 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mark, 9, #1381 of 2327 🔗

I will only work for cash now. Almost all transactions are cash too. I am supporting as many local businesses as I can and trying to avoid the monopolies.

268612 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Arnie, #1382 of 2327 🔗

I have made the decision to shop in the majority in small independent shops butchers grocers book shops etc. I won’t give national biggies much of my income.

268667 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, #1383 of 2327 🔗

Are they including downgrades in that?

268848 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mark, #1384 of 2327 🔗

The government deficit this year will be around £400 billion and a reduced tax base is a certainty for the foreseeable future. More huge deficits will occur next year and for the years beyond, so £40 billion a year in taxes and cuts is only playing at fiscal management.

268231 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 4, #1385 of 2327 🔗

For tonight’s debate and vote

To make any impact the CRG must bring real focus to some of the key factors that can be easily challenged:

  • The proportion of positives tests through use of the PCR system
  • The double counting of people who have had more than one test
  • (As admitted by Matt Hancock in Parliament today) The Covid deaths measure is too broad and counts people who died with but not of Covid. He said that overall deaths was a better indicator. Let’s examine the numbers and consider what proportion of any increase can be attributed to additional cancer, cardiovascular and suicide et al deaths caused by the restrictions.
  • The levelling off and decrease in the figures that can be demonstrated to have started before lockdown 2 and even before the tier restrictions. lT REALLY ANNOYS ME THAT ENTIRELY PREDICTABLY the Government is attributing any improvement to the restrictions
268245 ▶▶ RickH, replying to SilentP, 1, #1386 of 2327 🔗

The Covid deaths measure is too broad and counts people who died with but not of Covid.”

You are, of course, right. But the additional major error is in our old friend : ‘cases’ : i.e detection of an irrelevant RNA fragment and calling it ‘Covid’.

268282 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to SilentP, 2, #1387 of 2327 🔗

One powerful diagramme comes out of Hennegan’s shop.

The Florence Nightingale chart.

It shows the epidemic passed through in the spring.

comment image
Surely even dumbass MPs can understand it…..

Or maybe not.

268290 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to SilentP, 3, #1388 of 2327 🔗

What the Covid Recovery Group ought to be doing is writing letters to Graham Brady (1922 Committee): they have more than enough members to trigger a leadership contest. And if one were held, it would inevitably open space of the adoption of an alternative approach.

268511 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Steve Hayes, #1389 of 2327 🔗

careful what you wish for, Hancock would put his name in the hat for sure……

268609 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Steve Hayes, #1390 of 2327 🔗

Agree. Like many here obviously want it to happen sooner rather than later, on the other hand gotta make sure they really have the goods, and don’t give an opportunity to weasel out of it, a la Dancing Queen May, who was then free to bumble around for months more.

268233 guy153, replying to guy153, 8, #1391 of 2327 🔗

Time for some perspective on the various tests.

If PCR is finding 1.4% and has a sensitivity of 70% and a specificity of 99.95% that’s about 25k false positives but 200k false negatives for the whole of England.

ONS claim better sensitivity but 70% is pretty reasonable.

When we compare this to the antibody tests we find they undercount prevalence by a factor of about 3. Even that seems a bit on the low side.

Where PCR (and even more so LFT) suck in general is sensitivity. In other words you miss true positives because you didn’t get a good enough swab. Once prevalence is back up to 1 or 2% the actual number of false negatives is much higher than the actual number of false positives.

There were way more infections (mostly mild) in the spring than estimated from antibody tests and there are still more now, perhaps 1.5x the official number.

In the summer however, when prevalence was right down to 0.05% we would have had about 3x as many false positives as false negatives. This is just how the maths works out.

Everyone is still going on about false positives and demonizing PCR for that but we have already crossed back into the region where false negatives are having a much bigger effect.

This makes the LFT test a poor choice for everything except perhaps for the fact that Hancock, who won’t understand any of this, will think there’s no Covid and hopefully shut up and, ideally, also take a long walk off a short pier.

Actually the virus is alive (okok not technically alive) and well, spreading around non-severely in the vast majority of cases and settling into its new endemic coexistence with homo sapiens. There is plenty of SARS2 but not much excess death and nothing to worry about.

268251 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to guy153, 5, #1392 of 2327 🔗

I would have no problems with PCR if it was used with symptomatic patients at a relevant number of cycles and a follow-up test was performed near the ct limit if there was a positive result. I don’t demonise PCR but I demonise those who wilfully misuse it when they know better.

268272 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1393 of 2327 🔗

Many scientists say it’s a very useful tool, but that’s it, it should never have been used in the way it has been and is the root of all of this.

268480 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Charlie Blue, #1394 of 2327 🔗

Yes totally agree as a diagnostic test with a Ct of 25 it’s great. No point doing mass testing. But since they are we might as well pass the time by trying to make some sense of the results. I think Claire Craig said the ONS do two tests to reduce false positives. I completely ignore Pillar 2. It is meaningless due to inconsistent sampling criteria before we even get onto how they might be bungling the actual tests.

268500 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Charlie Blue, #1395 of 2327 🔗

Just had a quick look at the deaths. The deaths with Covid in the second wave over the increase in antibody levels work out to an IFR of about 2.5%! This is at least 10x too high, even for an antibody based IFR which is about 3x higher than the real IFR.

One thing is for sure and that is that they are massively overcounting deaths.

268257 ▶▶ leggy, replying to guy153, 1, #1396 of 2327 🔗

No, we have not crossed into the region where false positives have much bigger effect. Not even close.

268491 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to leggy, #1397 of 2327 🔗

I said false negatives so not sure if that’s a typo or you’re making a different point.

So what are your estimates of the actual prevalence and the sensitivity and specificity of the ONS PCR test?

268664 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to guy153, #1398 of 2327 🔗

Very good. I just think they know the headline is cases. It doesn’t matter the reality, PCR is just a tool to control the casedemic

268235 Arch, replying to Arch, 9, #1399 of 2327 🔗

This Saturday 28th at Kings Cross – need to make a visible show.

268284 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Arch, 5, #1400 of 2327 🔗

Hopefully there will be thousands protesting – I certainly intend on attending.

Protesting is banned for non approved causes until the summer at the earliest so might as well go ahead now before they start using rubber bullets and tear gas. Priti Patel wouldn’t think twice about sending the military in.

268241 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #1401 of 2327 🔗

Make of this article what you want…..

CONFIRMED: Trump pardoned Flynn to put him back in play at the DoD with Chris Miller and Ezra Cohen-Watnick in preparation for mass ARRESTS of treasonous deep state actors

268268 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Victoria, 5, #1402 of 2327 🔗

Well he’d better hurry up about it…

268302 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Victoria, 2, #1403 of 2327 🔗

Any chance they can get Hancock as well?

268604 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Victoria, 1, #1404 of 2327 🔗

Had to laugh seeing some heads [virtually] explode online, at the General Flynn pardon.
Same folks kept a deathly straight face when Obama pardoned Oscar Lopez Rivera, an unrepentant terrorist who bombed & murdered Americans, citing it shows his strong & compassionate leadership qualities.

268623 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1405 of 2327 🔗

Particularly pathetic since Flynn (whom I have no particular time for tbh) was only in prison at all because he was blackmailed into plea bargaining over a completely imaginary, grossly dishonest Democrat-concocted witch-hunt about supposed “Russian interference”.

268248 dhid, replying to dhid, 19, #1406 of 2327 🔗

I sometimes just have to think of a new description of WankCock just to stop me smashing my iPad when I hear his voice.

He is a pompous, preening, snide, smug, sneaky, surreptitious, slimy, sniveling, lowlife, turd brained waste of air! And then some!

My blood pressure has now dropped from “critical” to merely “dangerously high” – so much more normal – for now, that is.

Anybody think of anything I missed in my description?

268254 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to dhid, 11, #1407 of 2327 🔗

Lying mass murderer does it for me.

268261 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Richard O, 1, #1408 of 2327 🔗

Good point!

268270 ▶▶ Sir Roderick Spode, replying to dhid, 6, #1409 of 2327 🔗

Duplicitous,deluded,demented dangerous dickhead..

268285 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to dhid, 8, #1410 of 2327 🔗

A walking talking crime against humanity.

268291 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to dhid, 10, #1411 of 2327 🔗

A cunt!

268441 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #1412 of 2327 🔗

Yes. I must admit I’m not fond of the word and seldom use it in speech or print. But Hancock is such an obvious and complete cunt it would be remiss to use any other word to describe him.

268618 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1413 of 2327 🔗

I must admit I’m not fond of the word and seldom use it in speech or print.

Likewise, but have used it to describe the person in question as just that on this site. Oh, and Sturgeon, too.

What shocked me the other night was my wife, who very rarely swears, saw Handjob on the news and told me “ That is one cunt of a man, that is!

Hard to disagree.

268547 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #1414 of 2327 🔗

Cunt has been used 145 times on this site.

I would be willing to bet that in the majority of instances it was being used to describe the Right Honourable Gentleman.

The full reckoning is:

145: cunt
118: cunts
5: cunty
2: cunting
2: cuntry
1: cuntest
1: cuntface
1: cuntfuckery
1: Cuntmas
1: Cuntmings
1: cuntry
1: cuntstable

269271 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, #1415 of 2327 🔗

nice data analytic used for good!
You have to give us the fact that we are artful with our mastery of swearology.
I know the C word is well….a bit..y’know, rude.
But it is pretty funny too.

268301 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to dhid, 4, #1416 of 2327 🔗

I bet he eats shredded wheat without sugar, the fucking animal

268310 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1417 of 2327 🔗

Eeeew! He really must be bad then!

268421 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1418 of 2327 🔗

I do that.I get animallier every day.

268536 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to annie, #1419 of 2327 🔗

Heh! Hadn’t better cross you then!

268318 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to dhid, 7, #1420 of 2327 🔗

I was checking Government legislation the morning and saw one item which I read as the ‘Repression of the People Act’, freudian slip it actually read Representation of but on reflection my mis-reading was nearer the truth.
Given that all this mayhem and repression is supposedly to control a respiratory disease that is simply causing the normal number of winter respiratory deaths amongst older people it is hard not to come to the conclusion that strange things are happening and dark forces at work.

268327 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1421 of 2327 🔗


I expect that the “Repression” one is in the pipeline now, maybe you were ahead of the curve there.

We really are in unbelievable times.

268602 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1422 of 2327 🔗

Looking at all the snap decisions the changes of policy on the hoof the lack of considetation of proper empirocal data and two corrupt dishonest deceitful lying chief scientists who blatantly falsified data to engineet this I think the dark forces are sheer masive incompetence and the protection of their own personal vested financial interests.

268323 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to dhid, 4, #1423 of 2327 🔗

His father smelt of elderberries and his mother was a hamster.

268333 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1424 of 2327 🔗

That must have been illegal – someone call the RSPCA!

268361 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dhid, 1, #1425 of 2327 🔗

I suspect you could have hours of fun with a copy of Roget’s Thesaurus.

268394 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, #1426 of 2327 🔗

Quite likely, but I expect I can think of plenty more for the time being….

268548 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to dhid, 1, #1427 of 2327 🔗

Dead man walking.

269008 ▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to dhid, #1428 of 2327 🔗

Rancid womb fruit

268250 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 6, #1429 of 2327 🔗

Finally managed to get to the head of the reservations queue at Trafford libraries for the latest book by CJ Box , the Wyoming based thriller writer.
What do I see as the quote in the frontispiece:
-“ People should either be caressd or crushed. If you do them minor damage they will get their revenge; but if you cripple them there is nothing they can do.If you need to injure someone, do it in such a way that you do not hve to fear their vengeance “-
(Niccolo Machiavelli)
Clearly Boris and Hancock have been perusing the works of the masters.
What I cannot understand is the motive. Why are they so determined to destroy our way of life and livelihoods . Is it money? How much do they want? Could we all club together and pay them to go away, far, far away and never darken Albion’s door again ?.

268263 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mikewaite, 4, #1430 of 2327 🔗

They are as expendable as the rest of us once their job is complete. If this goes all the way, they will be erased from history.

268329 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mikewaite, #1431 of 2327 🔗

Or crowd fund a hit man.

268583 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to mikewaite, #1432 of 2327 🔗

It’s pure unadulterated power they are hooked on.

268259 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #1433 of 2327 🔗

Our government has tortured its people for 8 months…

268271 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 8, #1434 of 2327 🔗

And it’s not even close to being over.

268260 Cecil B, 1, #1435 of 2327 🔗

‘Johnson appoints ex Treasury official as Chief of Staff’

Oh dear, Mandy Dick was at the Treasury

268277 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #1436 of 2327 🔗

How long is it going to be before the Olympics are cancelled?

268287 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1437 of 2327 🔗

They probably already are.

268293 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #1438 of 2327 🔗

I have heard people say it will be the showpiece event for the new technology they are introducing such as the digital health passports etc. Like a world fair for technological dystopia!

268386 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1439 of 2327 🔗

2021 census must surely be cancelled now – they’ve been talking about this being the last one anyway. There are certain demographic figures they would rather not be made public, I suspect.

268418 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1440 of 2327 🔗

I believe Scotland has already delayed until 2022. How they can delay without the rest of The UK I do not know.

268397 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #1441 of 2327 🔗

For once I doubt I’ll watch much if I have to see masks, social distancing and the rest, it will turn my stomach. I had been planning to go to the Paris Olympics in 2024 but all it will take is someone to sneeze in China and everything will be stopped again. How can you make any plans for your life when it can all be taken away in an instant by the little Hitlers and the doomsday mathematicians?

268278 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 14, #1442 of 2327 🔗

We must also not forget that on 19th march ‘it’ was downgraded from a high level consequence disease to the level of flu.

268324 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to stefarm, 1, #1443 of 2327 🔗

I haven’t but so many just ignore that fact!

268365 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1444 of 2327 🔗

Worth repeating though, all this for the flu.

268344 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stefarm, 3, #1445 of 2327 🔗

And on 20 March Boris told everyone to stay away from pubs etc. And on 23 March announced the lockdown. And on 25 March the Coronavirus Act gave the state the power to rule by ministerial fiat (Part 2 Section 90). And all this was done without parliamentary scrutiny or division.

268383 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, #1446 of 2327 🔗

IIRC the official reason for that was so that it could be treated in ordinary hospitals instead of specialist isolation units, because we were ‘two weeks behind Italy’ and bodies in corridors were being predicted.

268401 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to stefarm, #1447 of 2327 🔗

And on the 16 January magically the DNA of this novel virus was transmitted to the world, and by 20-23 Jan the PCR test was proposed and passed peer review for testing. Just like that.

268280 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #1448 of 2327 🔗


Trinity College Dublin proposes becoming online only and selling off buildings. Assisted by COVID19 of course.

FYI, those who saw the link this week to Ivor Cummins where “Professor” Luke O’Neill in a Zoom call to school children advocated vaccine braclets, O’Neill is a TCD professor. He also supports public transport bans for the unvaccinated.

268303 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1449 of 2327 🔗

What a cretin that guy is, he was almost euphoric and giddy while telling the kids they can just wear masks until whenever and that they will do it all to get to their prom.

268312 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1450 of 2327 🔗

Yes, and the scumbag got an award in the An Post Irish Book Awards for his “bollocks” book – strangely it was in the non-fiction category.

268325 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1451 of 2327 🔗

The first of many possibly, though they will no longer be able to charge such high fees as the online competition will be cheaper

268409 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1452 of 2327 🔗

Trinity College owns the Book of Kells. Will they be flogging that off as well?Obviously they place no value on anything historic, beautiful,
or spiritually significant.

268427 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1453 of 2327 🔗

Have you noticed a greater openness to push oppressive type policies since the vaccines started releasing their data? It’s like the signal to get to work on their reset agenda.

268577 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1454 of 2327 🔗

Trinity College has just signed its own death warrant. Universities are about so much more than just getting a degree.

268292 Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1455 of 2327 🔗

Encouraging news on treatment:


268295 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 3, #1456 of 2327 🔗

Can some maths boffins on here help me out?

My local area reports 2 deaths within 7 days, up by 2 (300%).


268308 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Silke David, 8, #1457 of 2327 🔗

Contact Diane Abbott, she’ll explain

268314 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Silke David, 2, #1458 of 2327 🔗

2 + 2 = 5.

268320 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to leggy, 5, #1459 of 2327 🔗

How many fingers Winston?

268336 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Silke David, 2, #1460 of 2327 🔗

2 up by 2? As in there were none in the prior 7 days? If so, that’s actually infinity: any someting is not a percentage of nothing. Except where state finances are concerned.

268384 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Silke David, #1461 of 2327 🔗

It’s a gazillion %. Basically this time next week everyone in your local area will be dead.

268473 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Silke David, #1462 of 2327 🔗

Calculation by Neil Ferguson?

268297 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1463 of 2327 🔗

To all of my F S’s out there who believe that this situation is not incompetence but a “Great reset”, I as somebody who started work aged 15 have to disagree with you.
An old mate of mine had a saying: “Bulls××t baffles brains” and in my experience, the bigger the bulls××ter, the more likely they are to be believed.
Another saying: “The blind leading the blind”.
Time and time again,I have seen competent people pushed aside to make room for out and out “tossers” who couldn’t run an hot dog stall.
I well remember one pratt who broke down in tears in front of his “superiors” and when he was asked what the matter was, he replied ” my wife has threatened to leave me if I am not promoted”: guess what, yes, he WAS promoted.
Incompetence is endemic worldwide.
PS: His wife left him anyway.

268328 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1464 of 2327 🔗

Think I’d be the one to leave given an ultimatum like that.

268335 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cicatriz, 1, #1465 of 2327 🔗

Like I say, he was a pratt.

268379 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1466 of 2327 🔗

I think it’s a mixture. I think some – probably those who breath the pure air of academia and mittel-Europan think-tanks – are pushing/bribing for a Great Reset, but they are having to rely on incompetents at national political level to act as their foot soldiers, and the result is the chaos we are seeing.

268391 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1467 of 2327 🔗

Yes conspiracy requires brains and planning, cock-up well just requires t**ts.
However there is a real movement for the ‘great reset’ , personally I think there are a lot of clever, and wealthy people taking advantage of the situation to further their ends. I am guessing they are wondering how its so easy to take the mugs for a ride. Then there are the ‘cronies’ who just grab at any crumbs that fall off the table.
So its not a ‘conspiracy’ but opportunists taking maximum advantage.

268306 miahoneybee, 1, #1468 of 2327 🔗

Shine a light

268349 ▶▶ Julian, replying to miahoneybee, 1, #1470 of 2327 🔗

I have found them underwhelming so far. Much more needed from them.

268522 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, #1471 of 2327 🔗

Me too. Are they actually doing anything?

268313 Liam, replying to Liam, 20, #1472 of 2327 🔗

I know all the MSM is absolutely appalling, but Sky Sports News must be the worst of the lot right now. Disinfection robots and UV machines to sterilise dressing rooms. It’s a front row seat at the old open days in the lunatic asylum.

268337 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Liam, 6, #1473 of 2327 🔗

and they continue to promote BLM with the knee taking and screen displays of logos etc … totally procovid and woke

268345 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to mjr, 5, #1474 of 2327 🔗

Must cancel and tell them why, watching games in empty stadiums is awful anyway.

268354 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liam, 2, #1475 of 2327 🔗

Yet, according to Guido: https://order-order.com/2020/11/26/ofcom-bbc-news-falls-to-last-place-in-viewer-impartiality-ratings/

The latest Ofcom research has seen BBC News fall to the lowest-ranked TV news offering in the country, below Sky, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5.

The research saw Sky News win out, on 69%, up 5% on two years ago

Go figure!

268357 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1476 of 2327 🔗

The idea that anyone trusts any of them is just bizarre.

268550 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liam, #1477 of 2327 🔗

The idea that anyone trusts any of them is just bizarre.

Yup! Shows how well the propaganda works on the feeble minded. 🙁

268371 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1478 of 2327 🔗

Good to hear. I’ve just written a complaint to the BBC about Covid misinformation on Radio 4 last night. I expect I’ll get the usual ‘ on balance we feel we’ve got it about right’ bollards, but if it hinders their war-machine by taking up staff time, then it’s worth it.

268316 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 17, #1479 of 2327 🔗

A new phrase for anyone who inadvertently (or otherwise) uses a complete lack of judgement to plunge millions of people into poverty, cause many avoidable deaths and ensure our children and our childrens children never get the life they deserve.

Oops, silly me I’ve done a Hancock.

268332 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1480 of 2327 🔗

We’ll be applying that to Biden then if he gets confirmed and inaugurated

268321 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1481 of 2327 🔗


268343 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1482 of 2327 🔗

No good. Looking for alternative. Found one.
It’s the Club de Rome ‘Ten Commitments for our Global Commons’ and ‘Ten Urgent Actions’ page. Copy this funny url in the search bar and you will see it.


268322 Victoria, #1483 of 2327 🔗

US – UK intel agencies declare cyber war on independent media (to push a vaccine obedience agenda)

268330 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 7, #1484 of 2327 🔗

Email I have penned to my MP:


Thank you for your reply and I take heart from your responses concerning a need for greater scrutiny of the data and (particularly) modelling presented to Government and subsequently use as “evidence” to justify the measures taken and that reliance on a vaccine as the way out of this is not the only solution.

I have also taken the time to listen to your recent speeches including in the House earlier today.

With the nation being again jammed into (in all but name) a 3rd lockdown I would encourage you to question the rationale behind this and demand the cost benefit analysis proving its justification.

The Health Secretary is, in his 5 criteria, conflating “cases” with infections – they are not the same things. The widely discredited PCR test (which it would appear at the behest of PHE is being run at cycle thresholds(CTs) of >35) is not now and never has been fit for purpose, yet this is precisely the tool that is creating the Health Secretary’s “cases”. Apparently, no-one in Government or public health is able to confirm false positive rate of the PCR test – is this not astonishing?

I understand that the appeals court in Portugal recently ruled the PCR yest as unreliable and that there are similar court actions taking place in other countries as we speak. There is plenty of other contrary argument of the PCR test of which I trust you are aware.

Without the “cases” created by the PCR test, there is no pandemic and therefore no imminent threat to public health, ergo no lawful basis for the recent and forthcoming statutory instruments which seek to suspend the freedoms and rights of the British people.

The Government has also decided to spend £100 BILLION! to introduce mass testing across the country with the lateral flow test, apparently due to its “success” in reducing infection rates in Liverpool – The Health Secretary stated as much himself. Precisely how a test can actually reduce infection in a person is mind boggling? If that were the case then why would we need a vaccine?

I do suspect that you are very uncomfortable with the actions the Government are pursuing and hope that you will feel able to align yourself with your colleagues in the Covid Recovery Group and be able to convince the Government to change tack and listen to other voices, even if you do not feel able to vote against these new restrictions.

Finally, I would just point out that, I do not consider myself to be an activist of any persuasion (at least historically), but now, even though I have not personally been financially affected by the travesty being visited upon the country, I can no longer stand idly by and will now put my money where my mouth is and stand up for freedom by attending the gathering and march in London this weekend to express my opposition and disapproval as is my right.

Any comments before I send it?

268342 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to vargas99, 1, #1485 of 2327 🔗

Finally, I would just point out that, I do not consider myself to be an activist of any persuasion (at least historically), but now, even though I have not personally been financially affected by the travesty being visited upon the country,

268356 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Victoria, 1, #1486 of 2327 🔗

Thank you Victoria – but not sure why I would delete this?

268390 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to vargas99, 4, #1487 of 2327 🔗

Imo it doesn’t add anything to what is a strong bit of writing and sounds mildly apologetic. Volunteering that you haven’t been financially affected takes some of the bite out unnecessarily.

268408 ▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1488 of 2327 🔗

Hmm. Ok, but I feel that it actually underlines my position. Thanks for the input though.

268359 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to vargas99, 1, #1489 of 2327 🔗

1 spelling mistake in paragraph 5, “yest” instead of test, otherwise looks pretty good. Will be pointless though as you’ve used reasoned arguments to put forward your case.

268369 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1490 of 2327 🔗

Thank you spellcheck

268410 ▶▶ Will, replying to vargas99, 1, #1491 of 2327 🔗

Excellent letter.

268426 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Will, 1, #1492 of 2327 🔗

thank you

268450 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to vargas99, 2, #1493 of 2327 🔗

For the record I agree with the suggested deletion and for the same reasons. You don’t have to apologise and it takes focus away from cogent points, particularly that testing halts the virus.

268562 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to vargas99, 1, #1494 of 2327 🔗

Attacking the PCR test in the way you have done is very good, and the undoubted way forward.
This line: There is plenty of other contrary argument of the PCR test of which I trust you are aware.” I am no Lawyer but I would say – assumes facts not in evidence!
Personally, I think you could make a slightly stronger argument here, assuming that at least part of the letter will be skim-read, probably.

During conversations I have with peers, they assume the test is 100% valid and foolproof. I actually think many MPs probably think along the same lines, and many honestly do not believe there could be any issues with the test. It is only when I explain that it is basically a DNA swab – nowadays everybody who has seen The Bill, or CSI, or anything similar, knows the method for obtaining DNA – and is NOT a test for infection, they start to piece things together a bit more. So perhaps some stronger evidence for the misuse of the test, could be useful, eg.

Co-author Dr Louisa Harding-Edgar, of the Institute of Health and Wellbeing, University of Glasgow, said: “Because the current PCR COVID test is not a test of infectiousness or current infection, it cannot distinguish between those who have the virus and are or are not infectious, and those who have remnants of the virus from previous infection or contamination and are not infectious. Clinical interpretation is therefore important for advice and diagnosis.”

“Real-time PCR is not a viral culture and does not allow determination of whether the virus is viable and transmissible.”

Good job.

268334 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 42, #1495 of 2327 🔗

Open your pubs, bars, restaurants etc You have been lied to for months now – why comply any longer?

Open up, or stay closed for good.


268366 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Victoria, 9, #1496 of 2327 🔗

He is absolutely correct. Go out fighting. They can’t close every single business.

268402 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #1497 of 2327 🔗

Although it seems that what they are trying to do

268440 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #1498 of 2327 🔗

I’d be more convinced if he operated his airline on a ‘no masks allowed’ policy. Seems he wants others to take the fall for him.

268338 George L, replying to George L, 10, #1499 of 2327 🔗

Wales gearing up for another lockdown.. Its the best example yet that this covid thing is nothing whatsoever to do with health. Just take a look at EUROMOMO and Wales .. still no excess deaths. A great fraud is being committed and at present people are getting away with it.


268517 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to George L, 1, #1500 of 2327 🔗

So their prompt “firebreak” didn’t work. That’ll annoy my useless MP who thinks if only, oh if only we hadn’t “squandered” the chance for a circuit breaker in October when “The Scientists” told us to, that nasty Covid would be all gone from Englandshire by now.

268339 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1501 of 2327 🔗

Things MAY… just may, be kicking off a bit

268346 ▶▶ Liam, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #1502 of 2327 🔗

Tugendhat and Ellwood? Don’t believe a word, they’ve been the worst of the worst.

268352 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Liam, 3, #1503 of 2327 🔗

Absolutely.. those two just want to get you held down and jabbed, and screw the consequences!

268358 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Liam, 7, #1504 of 2327 🔗

Ellwood is 77b

268364 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to stefarm, 7, #1505 of 2327 🔗

A nasty piece of work to boot!

268374 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to stefarm, 2, #1506 of 2327 🔗


268387 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to stefarm, 4, #1507 of 2327 🔗

In other words, deliberate misinformation.

268538 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1508 of 2327 🔗

I’ve j