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269380 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1 of 1914 🔗


269382 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 68, #2 of 1914 🔗

I struggle during the dark nights of November and this year is worse than usual. However, the Dear Deirdre” piece has really given me a good laugh. Well done the writer and many thanks to Toby and the team for the latest edition of this invaluable resource.

269417 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 25, #3 of 1914 🔗

Dear Anonymous.
You are clearly a victim of Coercive Control, sadly our Criminal Court system is more or less at a standstill so my best advice is that you take out a Civi Action against this ‘Boris’. Threaten him where it hurts, in his wallet.

All the best

270080 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to karenovirus, 2, #4 of 1914 🔗

Unfortunately the civil courts are at a standstill as well.

When are we getting the Dolan judgment?

269383 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 114, #5 of 1914 🔗

First article above:

In theory, it’s just what lockdown sceptics asked for: a transparent, evidence-based way of judging the new system.

Lockdown sceptics (well, me anyway) want the whole damn scam stopped! They don’t want more fake government figures!

Fraser Nelson is a total knob!

269393 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 57, #6 of 1914 🔗

Steve Baker sort of on the case.

Agreed, we don’t want fiddling around with tiers to tackle phoney corony. We want lockdown stopped now and its perpetrators arrested.

269396 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 18, #7 of 1914 🔗

Phoney corony – another good one!

270073 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to annie, 3, #8 of 1914 🔗

Also love this phrase. Will borrow and use 😀

270660 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #9 of 1914 🔗

Definitely; me too.

271322 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #10 of 1914 🔗

Thanks Annie, feel free to use 😀
and anyone else

269567 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 28, #11 of 1914 🔗

I don’t trust Steve Baker. I smell a rat with the Covid Recovery Group too. It exists to offer false hope to a population that’s being unjustly crushed by tyranny. Very cruel

269633 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ben, 20, #12 of 1914 🔗

Yes I agree. Basically they all know if they shout too loud they could lose their jobs. Mind you still a million times better than that buttwipe starmer.

269900 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #13 of 1914 🔗

Used buttwipe.

270076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #14 of 1914 🔗

I think it’s genuine opposition, but they are not prepared to go too far. Or far enough. They’re definitely on self-protection mode.

270656 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #15 of 1914 🔗

It’s amazing what counts as self-protection, though. Sure, by limiting their protest they get to keep their pathetic jobs and expense fiddles, but what use is a job as an MP in the context of a Mad Max landscape and a population that’s as mad as hell? Boris and his family may have been promised a place in the secure compound, but the weedy back benchers? I don’t think so.

270377 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ben, 7, #16 of 1914 🔗

If there are actually 100 of them, then Johnson no longer has a majority. If so, the boot is on the other foot now. And hopefully on BJ’s neck soon.

270117 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to karenovirus, 3, #17 of 1914 🔗

I’ll be using “phoney corony”, thanks for the smile.

271323 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Smelly Melly, #18 of 1914 🔗

Feel free 👍

269410 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 11, #19 of 1914 🔗

He is part of the elite that we need to get rid of

269422 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 6, #20 of 1914 🔗

We all want that but you don’t cure someone of OCD by covering them in pig shit. Baby steps….

269905 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, 9, #21 of 1914 🔗

Baby steps will lead to them killing us all. We need giant steps if we are to save mankind.

270078 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Will, 2, #22 of 1914 🔗

Ah true. I hadn’t read this. Very very good point!

269491 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ceriain, 43, #23 of 1914 🔗

Huge strategic error from Will Jones to be suggesting that MPs positively call for what amount to tweaks of the present system. It sets up exactly the same trap that is highlighted above: Bojo can tweak a bit and claim to be doing exactly what Lockdown Sceptics want.

I know ‘compromise’ looks reasonable, but in this case it is contrary to reason. All it would achieve would be to weaken the the sceptic position politically, such that Bojo could spin lockdown out indefinitely while claiming to be ‘listening,’ and destroy the clarity of our message. Lockdown is a disaster that has no justification on any grounds – we should not assist in distracting people from our own clear message.

269512 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ovis, 15, #24 of 1914 🔗

The imposition of tiers 2 and 3 is simply so that bozo can slowly release parts of the country bit by bit so allowing himself to appear benevolent.

Wont work bozo since it’s transparently obvious.

269543 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ovis, 108, #25 of 1914 🔗

“Lockdown is a disaster that has no justification on any grounds.” ABSOLUTELY. I have to go one step further. Lockdowns are FATAL to the poorest and most vulnerable in our society. Lockdowns are promoted by the most disgusting elitist attitude – “what’s so hard about staying home” – for children, it is an abuse of their fundamental human rights to play and receive an education – for the elderly it means isolation and loneliness – for the sick it means no access to health care – for the working classes, especially casual “zero hours contract” workers it means NO INCOME. For the undocumented it further means abject poverty as they have no support at all – for those prone to anxiety and depression it means a good hard shove towards suicide. Lockdowns are fine for wealthy happy families with big houses and big gardens and Netflix accounts and Ocado accounts. For the rest of the population Lockdowns are CRIMINALLY ABUSIVE. You need no statistics, no data, no reports to know this… just a little compassion, a conscience and common sense! I’m so upset today.

269553 ▶▶▶▶ Motke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 25, #26 of 1914 🔗

Totally agree. Poverty kills, it’s just harder to quantify and much easier for the government to shove (questionable) daily death figures for covid down our throats.

269645 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 34, #27 of 1914 🔗

Just saw an interview on talk radio where a publican is talking about getting closed down. So sad, don’t know why all shops and pubs dont just defy this order. We are now a police state.

269926 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cody, replying to Spikedee1, 16, #28 of 1914 🔗

Agreed.I think all pubs,be they part of a big chain or a small independent,need to get together in their own towns and cities and make a pact to open up.Defy any fines imposed and take the fight to the government.As things stand most are going under before long anyway so what’s to lose?

270779 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Spikedee1, 8, #29 of 1914 🔗

I’ve been saying that for months. JUST DON’T COMPLY, ALL OF YOU, AND THIS WILL GO AWAY QUICKLY! No masks, no distancing, no arrows on the floor, no visitor restrictions, no pub closures. DO IT

271315 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Elisabeth, 2, #30 of 1914 🔗

i’m meeting more fellow sceptics . tiny fraction of the population but so far about 15. and some go to store wihtout a mask .ive been braving that too more and more the rare times go to a store today the post office was only one not weairnga mask was just to go in put letters in the mailbox chute but i did it . we must !

269783 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #31 of 1914 🔗

For all of the above I simply cannot understand why the Labour Party is so tamely nodding this through Parliament with just a few Tories threatening to rebel plus some others out of trying to appease their constituents.

269931 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 9, #32 of 1914 🔗

Because they’re All In This Together!

270077 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to karenovirus, 6, #33 of 1914 🔗

See my latest comment. It’s in a Labour constituency. If they don’t end this we must go after the PLP for sanctioning child abuse.

269799 ▶▶▶▶ Tracy, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 34, #34 of 1914 🔗

Yesterday I came closer to suicide than ever before. I left a a toxic home because I was suicidal and 6 months later the government started to treat me as I’d been treated at home. Individual people and their personal struggles are not seen. It reminds me of Scrooge’s suggestion that reducing the ‘surplus population’ was a commendable objective. Does Boris even care about the suicide figures?

269823 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tracy, 38, #35 of 1914 🔗

Tracy, this shit-show will be over soon. Boris is insane, the government are totally corrupt to the core, all they have is lies and fear and coercion.
This horror show has been going on for 8 months too long. It should never have started. We all know this.
The sheeple are starting to realise this. It has taken them long enough but then they have been driven a special kind of crazy due to the above lies, fear and coercion.
People are really really hurting now and yes it will might well get worse but hopefully not for very much longer.

The cracks in the dam from 3 months ago are now gushing holes. They are opening the flood gates to relieve the pressure here and there at the top of the dam but they know the foundations are getting rapidly washed away.
They just can’t keep this clown-show up for very much longer.


269838 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Tracy, 15, #36 of 1914 🔗

No he does not, but we do. Please hang in there. It will pass

269933 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tracy, 10, #37 of 1914 🔗

Boris only cares about Boris.

270087 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Tracy, 34, #38 of 1914 🔗

Tracy, I watched a dear friend lose her battle against depression and take her own life. Please don’t do it! Humanity needs people like you, people who care, people like us who have SURVIVED abuse, who have refused to submit to the horrors of a toxic environment. Wow, you are SO brave for leaving it. Keep writing on this forum. You are supported and cared for here. Keep validating your feelings. Your life matters. You are loved.

270097 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #39 of 1914 🔗

What a wonderful response! Thank God for this website and the people who post here.

270099 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tracy, 16, #40 of 1914 🔗

Big hugs to you Tracy. So brave to move forward after a terrible experience. I really see the psychological abuse from the government too. All so much more visceral if you’ve experienced it in a relationship.

I also believe the government doesn’t have the upper hand. I think there’s plenty more people who are either dubious or totally sceptic now or somewhere in between.

I do think it may get worse as we work out what to do, although I’m feeling fairly positive that they will not be able to reach their end goals.

You are a strong, aware person and I wish you future peace and happiness x x

270687 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #41 of 1914 🔗

What a lovely response! One that is fully seconded in this household.

270427 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tracy, 6, #42 of 1914 🔗

Boris cares about no one but himself. He’s a sociopathic moron.

270467 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tracy, 11, #43 of 1914 🔗

Boris doesn’t care about anything except Boris.
Tracy, you escaped one toxic situation with your reason intact. Stand in your strong place and don’t give way to the Fascist bullies.We are for Life here. Life always has something good to offer, even when you can’t see it. Believe me, it’s there.

270497 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tracy, 10, #44 of 1914 🔗

None of TPTB care but many of us do and that’s why we’re lockdown sceptics. I know how you feel and can sympathise. Please stay strong.

271297 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Bart Simpson, #45 of 1914 🔗


270540 ▶▶▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Tracy, 4, #46 of 1914 🔗

Does Boris, or any other minister, care about anything other than their political career?!

270694 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Tracy, 3, #47 of 1914 🔗

Tracy, do not let these no marks get you into this state, all things must pass, even this madness..

270858 ▶▶▶▶▶ Twig, replying to Tracy, 2, #48 of 1914 🔗

Tracey, so sorry you feel awful. So do I. Thank you for your comment – it helped me. I’m waking up with heavy depression and thoughts about my upbringing – then I beat myself up about it. But now I see why: there are so many parallels.

271084 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Twig, 1, #49 of 1914 🔗

Hi Twig and Tracy. Same here but by the sound of it I’m older than you. I’ve made it through all these years and so I’m going to make it through this. We recognise exactly what they are doing. Abusing the entire population. I’ve had too much of that already. You’ve come to the right place here and please carry on talking. You’ll find new friends and realise just how strong you actually are.

269842 ▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #50 of 1914 🔗

Well said

269558 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Ovis, 37, #51 of 1914 🔗

Agree. Lockdowns were justified on the rstionsl this was an unknown virus and could kill hundreds of thousands. We now know the nature of the beast, and it is far from the picture of devastation predicted, therefore there is no basis, even under the health act to justify any imposition of restrictions. All should be cancelled, testing stopped on asymptomatic, and people advised, not coerced, just to take sensible precautions.

269789 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, 25, #52 of 1914 🔗

By misusing the 1984 Public Health Act the claque of four have been acting unlawfully throughout and must be brought to justice.

270204 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 7, #53 of 1914 🔗

Like the Gang of Four in China 40 years ago.

270693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to richard riewer, 7, #54 of 1914 🔗

They were executed, if I remember correctly… Come to think of it, that option has much to commend it.

270845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Purle, replying to RichardJames, 3, #55 of 1914 🔗

They weren’t executed, just life sentences. 2 of them were even released after a couple of decades. Which would clearly be too lenient for this current lot.

270121 ▶▶▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to Nsklent, 15, #56 of 1914 🔗

Forgive me, but LDs were never, ever justified! This is only about governments hanging on to power. I am ugly enough and old enough (69) to have learned that governments do not do and never ever have done saving lives, hence save the NHS was their primary aim because its failure would spell oblivion for any political party.

270202 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, 10, #57 of 1914 🔗

Yes, but it was a GREAT BIG LIE from the very beginning. Justifying lies is what governments do best.

269925 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ovis, 12, #58 of 1914 🔗

Yes! I’ve been worried about the fact that they’re all nitpicking about details and missing the point completely.
I’m concerned that when the vote comes it will be “Do you want lockdown, or more lockdown?

269943 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 27, #59 of 1914 🔗

The only sensible approach is for the total end of all lockdowns, tiers and all other Covid nonsense. Johnson Hancock and Gove will have to go and straight to jail, in short order. These vicious and corrupt morons have been lured into a glaringly obvious global scam over something that has all the severity of a seasonal flu. Their ill considered actions have led directly to the loss of tens of thousands of lives of our fellow citizens, with many thousands more deaths still to come. This unholy trio have blighted the lives of millions of others and retribution should be swift and harsh.

270494 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ovis, 13, #60 of 1914 🔗

Stalinism worked by getting everybody jealous of the level just above them in the hierarchy, and encouraging them to report people. (This is what enrages me about people like Michael Rosen, charming children’s author and actual self-defining Stalinist who pretends to think that Stalinism is “absolute equality”.)

the tiers combined with the injunction to report on “rule breakers” equals Stalinism and ends in show trials and genocide. No ifs and no buts.

Reject the tiers. Ignore the authorities. Fight this. Now.

270679 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ovis, 3, #61 of 1914 🔗

Agreed re Will Jones. He needs to remember he’s going up against a thug armed with a Glock 9mm. Piddling with your water pistol just won’t cut it!

269510 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Ceriain, 29, #62 of 1914 🔗

No evidence is enough because lockdowns can never be justified.

269640 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ceriain, 26, #63 of 1914 🔗

Yes and why is no journo saying, hang on we have just spent a month in lockdown, what were the results. If it has done basically nothing and we are having to put cities into tier 3, why do we think this is working?

269835 ▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Spikedee1, 14, #64 of 1914 🔗

Yup, Bristol was tier 1 when went into lockdown, tier3 now. So that worked then . . .

269839 ▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to ChrisDinBristol, 3, #65 of 1914 🔗

. . . when we went (bloody prdactif toxt). . .

270654 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ChrisDinBristol, 5, #66 of 1914 🔗

No point in looking for logic, or worrying about what tier should apply to particular areas. Covid is an out and out fraud and all restrictions are for nasty political reasons. Resist by never wearing masks, refusing tests and shunning the vaccines as if your life depended on it, which of course it will.

269903 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 2, #67 of 1914 🔗

I completely agree with you!

269923 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Ceriain, 17, #68 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely right! I couldn’t believe what I was reading and thought I’d strayed onto the wrong site for a moment. Why is Will Jones buying in to the idea that tinkering with the ‘tiers’ would be any improvement?

The ‘rebellion’ will be nothing but a damp squib. Will is probably right, though, that since Sir Trilateral Knee-Taker wants to criminalise people like us, it’s a knocking bet that, if Labour opposed ‘tiers’ it would only be by calling for a national lockdown.

‘Tiers’ are lockdown – in fact we have never really come out of it. The whole thing must be scrapped now while there is still a faint chance of salvaging something out of the wreckage.

Please make no mistake, the government really has declared war on us. This is not ‘Boris’ appeasing parts of the country. There is a plan, believe it or not, and these puppets are following it. Non-compliance is the only answer, If there are cracks appearing, lets get them widened! MW

p.s. A deluded old idiot has just walked past (in the distance) in a face-nappy. He is nowhere near anything or anybody and this is in the countryside. ‘A relatively rare sight here but very sad to see.

269384 RyanM, 6, #69 of 1914 🔗

Haven’t read it yet, but the headline is promising!

269385 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 31, #70 of 1914 🔗

Whatever you do you will be punished further

If you follow all the rules more punishments will be heaped upon you

This time next year they will be dragging you, your children, and your grandchildren into the street and executing them

You may not have many chances to fight back left

269936 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cecil B, 9, #71 of 1914 🔗

Yes, as Dave Cullen (Computing Forever on Youtube, for now) says, appeasing narcissists never works – they just demand more. I would add, ditto bullies. MW

269939 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #72 of 1914 🔗

So true!

269386 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 18, #73 of 1914 🔗

My Statistics lecturer at uni used to say that you don’t always need to look at the data behind a graph to see what’s going on; sometimes just the shape of the graph says enough and, often, so much more.

Here’s an image showing ‘side by side’ (as it were) the graphs of “ Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death ” for all 9 NHS regions in England. The image is made from actual snapshots of the graph from each region’s page. They’ve been shrunk in size to fit the image and only the axes labels have been removed.
All of the graphs cover the full period of the ‘Pandemic’.
None of the axes in each graph is labelled, because the raw data does not matter, only the shape of the graph does. The idea is to compare each region with others without numbers getting in the way.

Other than one thing, I’m not going to make any comments on what I think the graphs say; I’ll let you guys decide what they tell you .

The one comment I will make is: Look at London Region !

Source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

269406 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 12, #74 of 1914 🔗

Clearly the streets of London must be paved with grannies in a post-life situation.

269425 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 13, #75 of 1914 🔗

A graphic illustration of Herd Immunity.

269507 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 6, #76 of 1914 🔗

Possibly, though as I said yesterday

“Herd immunity is something of a red herring in my view, if people interpret it to mean that the disease disappears. From what I understand most respiratory viruses come and go seasonally; their impact is mitigated by prior exposure, but they never go away completely.
The problem with betting on herd immunity is twofold I think:
1) People think you mean “cases” and deaths will go to zero
2) Talking about it implies that it is necessary to achieve it, which it isn’t really. It simply isn’t dangerous enough to warrant the pursuit of elimination at all costs, by whatever means.”

I think it best to look at all-cause mortality. The covid deaths numbers are not very useful in themselves. The graphs show there is less covid circulating in London, or that more people susceptible in London died in the summer.

269581 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 7, #77 of 1914 🔗

“. The graphs show there is less covid circulating in London,”

I would say:

“The graphs show that there are fewer people in London producing a positive PCR test”

269625 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 1, #78 of 1914 🔗

Good point!

269617 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 8, #79 of 1914 🔗

I agree with you Julian and take great care to avoid talking about Herd Immunity away from this forum because it just closes off the discussion. That said, between people who understand that Herd immunity is seasonal and NPI dependent, I think it is fair to call a spade a spade: London has achieved herd immunity and many other parts of urban Britain are close to herd immunity.

269626 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 3, #80 of 1914 🔗

Yes, that’s quite possible and a good summary

269890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 5, #81 of 1914 🔗

Good little discussion; thanks, Julian and Will. 🙂

One of the things that made me want to do this graphic was to really see if I could figure where the upsurge due to come to London was; I can’t.

When ‘cases’ started to rise in the North at the beginning of September, ‘experts’, including the Gruesome Twosome and the doomsters from Imperial, said it would hit London and the South East in 2 weeks.

Twelve weeks on, I’m still waiting. They never tell us why it’s not happened.

269522 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 6, #82 of 1914 🔗

The Expert on Jeremy Vines show yesterday said the reason for Londons low figures was ‘because frontline workers had achieved Herd Immunity’.

First time I’ve heard them use the phrase positively since March.

269388 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 66, #83 of 1914 🔗

The tiers controversy is a diversion. But if it sows doubts in people’s minds and makes some dig deeper and question what is going on, it may prove useful.

Opposing it, however, we must continue simply to say NONE of these restrictions works, NONE of their benefits outweighs the damage they cause and they must ALL be lifted now and the law must be changed so that this can never be done again. Those in authority who are responsible for them must be sacked.

269397 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #84 of 1914 🔗

Sacked? Jailed.

269400 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 27, #85 of 1914 🔗

Believe me, I’d see your “jailed” and raise you “hanged”. I was just going for a measured statement.

269403 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #86 of 1914 🔗

No (half) measures! However, mild and moderate sceptics may wish to refrain from reading further than the end of your original comment.

269481 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 20, #87 of 1914 🔗

Which is why I left it there. Anyway, I bandy (mostly rhetorical) notions of hanging around mostly because I think they’re guilty of treason, and to be honest I think the treason laws urgently need reform. Because they date from the 14th century and also because nobody ever gets charged under them, which is transparently wrong. The CPS will wet itself to prosecute people for saying that only women should use women’s toilets, but would sneer out of court the idea of prosecuting someone for damaging the interests of the country.

269413 ▶▶▶▶ Pablo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 35, #88 of 1914 🔗

You’re right – sacking / jailing is not enough. The people who advocated this outrageous and deeply damaging ‘cure’ for a relatively mild disease are guilty of horrendous crimes against humanity. Thousands have died needlessly in the UK and many more will follow due to people not being able to get needed medical treatment during lockdowns. Many innocents have had their lives ruined by these insane diktats by the lunatics in charge, and there needs to be a reckoning. The politicians and ‘scientists’ making these decisions, in full knowledge of the devastating effects, are guilty of murder. Let’s call it what it is.

269577 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Pablo, 16, #89 of 1914 🔗

The mainstream media too, has been appalling

270245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dale, replying to Ben, 6, #90 of 1914 🔗

Arguably, this above else. If politicians ought to be jailed, the media ought to be horse-whipped, then jailed.

270677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Dale, 6, #91 of 1914 🔗

The ultimate blame rests with our corrupt government who have colluded with a globalist cabal, headed up by the depopulation by vaccination supremo, Bill Gates.

271319 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Rowan, #92 of 1914 🔗

Don’t forget Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum and his Great Reset!!

269423 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #93 of 1914 🔗

How about our traditional punishment of hung,drawn and quartered.

269438 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #94 of 1914 🔗

Messy, but effective.

269550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to annie, 6, #95 of 1914 🔗

Messy? Well, there will be lots of unused PPE lying around. No good for a virus perhaps, but surely good enough for splashback.

270681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 2, #96 of 1914 🔗

Messy and appropriate.

270711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Rowan, #97 of 1914 🔗

…and truly excellent for the purpose of “encouraging the others”.

269444 ▶▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 11, #98 of 1914 🔗

Heads! Spikes! Walls! It’s the only way

269477 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #99 of 1914 🔗

Hanging is too good for them. As is Madame Guillotine.
A modern method is required.
Death by vaccine. Or better yet, a slow lingering crippling death from transverse myelitis

269557 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Chris John, 4, #100 of 1914 🔗

death by a thousand vaccines

270223 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to anon, 7, #101 of 1914 🔗

Just do everything that they have been doing to us. See how they like it. In the Tower, self-isolating, no visits, no drinking, smoking, exercise, daily briefings from the Guardian and the BBC on 24 hours a day, etc. Drive them mad.

270685 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to anon, #102 of 1914 🔗

One dose will probably do it.

270683 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Chris John, #103 of 1914 🔗

Yes indeed, that is exactly what they’ve been planning for the rest of us.

269520 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #104 of 1914 🔗

We should reopen Tower Hill for that.

269537 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #105 of 1914 🔗

Or Tyburn?

269690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to steph, 2, #106 of 1914 🔗

Can’t real reopen Tyburn as there is Marble Arch there now…but it could work..A quick hanging and some shopping on Oxford street.The golden 16 hundreds!

270689 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #107 of 1914 🔗

Government bodies hanging from marble Arch, sounds good.

269920 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #108 of 1914 🔗

Maybe a severe beating with a roll of barbed wire then drowning in a bucket of battery acid?

270791 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #109 of 1914 🔗

I’m all for throwing those criminals into the nearest active volcano

270705 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #110 of 1914 🔗

You will of course remember that the foul and disgusting Blair removed the last remaining death penalty (for treason) just before leaving office.

270106 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to annie, 3, #111 of 1914 🔗

And all their assets seized.

270667 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 2, #112 of 1914 🔗

Northumberland Nomad has been pulled up before for going soft on those who are carrying what is probably the biggest fraud in world history. Clearly some of the people “in authority” are guilty of mass murder and treason. The punishments must reflect the extreme nature of their crimes.

269429 ▶▶ Will, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #113 of 1914 🔗

But you won’t win people around by telling them they are stupid, as we saw with Brexit. Encourage people to begin questioning the illogicality of the situation and they might start digging and then they will take ownership of their opinion, which is when they start influencing others. My stupid step sister gave away her wobble yesterday by reacting in the way she always does, when she knows she is in dodgy territory, attacking people. She is sticking her fingers in her ears and stamping her feet because she knows what she is hearing is true.

269670 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Will, 9, #114 of 1914 🔗

Yes so true and those circular arguments they throw at you, like killing granny, its young people’s fault, it’s our fault for not obeying the rules. You can just see Boris sitting there rubbing his hands together, yes, yes, let go of your feelings, feed the dark side, love the lockdown.

269951 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Spikedee1, 10, #115 of 1914 🔗

it’s our fault for not obeying the rules

That’s the one I hear the most; drives me nuts.

269961 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 6, #116 of 1914 🔗

Because it’s abusive.

270716 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #117 of 1914 🔗

Exactly; the classic line of the abuser blaming the abused for “forcing me to do it”.

270692 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #118 of 1914 🔗

As he beats his clenched fists on the table. What a tosser.

269820 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Will, 10, #119 of 1914 🔗

A very important point – we will not win by telling people they are stupid. These people are frightened and believe what they are told because of their conformist nature, because of that they will act illogically and panic. We need to try to calm them down and then they will begin to question the situation themselves

Note that the arguments used against us are almost always based on emotion and stocking guilt – kill grandpa etc. or demonising those that speak out against the orthodoxy – not the logic and facts that sensible people use.

The one ad hominem argument which I feel may be effective is one of hypocrisy – e,g, professor pantsdown – this type of behaviour makes people ask questions

270228 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Will, 1, #120 of 1914 🔗

All Brexit voters are Far Right worked very well.

270370 ▶▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to Will, 8, #121 of 1914 🔗

I’ve got a (former) friend who does the same. Told me in no uncertain terms to stop emailing her links to various documents, links etc that might cause her to question the codi hysterical rhetoric. That friendship has more or less been destroyed. Fingers in ears as you say.

270719 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to MsStroppster, 2, #122 of 1914 🔗

By their remarks shall ye know them (sadly). We need some politicians to sadlidie; even sadlidying of COVID would be fully acceptable.

269576 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #123 of 1914 🔗

Lockdowns are a war on the people, not the ‘virus’

269676 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #124 of 1914 🔗


There is no need for any lockdowns.

The NHS is the problem: hospital acquired infections, staffing issues, inept management, government interference

269389 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 12, #125 of 1914 🔗

Have we turned the first corner?

Time to mix some metaphors!

Today’s editorial indicates that the green shoots of realism may be emerging from behind the curtain.

Can we dare to hope that the lights may soon be going on all over the UK and we will be getting the ship back on the road?

There is still a long road to travel before we reach the light at the end of the tunnel under whose beam the fat lady will be singing.

Seriously, I think that today’s editorial provides some limited optimism to believe that there may be change in the air.

269392 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to SilentP, 4, #126 of 1914 🔗

Dunno, could be a white kipper

269399 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #127 of 1914 🔗

Definitely something Rishi.

269401 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 1, #128 of 1914 🔗

Ishy, wishy, lets get Rishi

269404 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #129 of 1914 🔗

Nay, we must spare Rishi. He’s worth his weight in gold. At least I hope so. He’ll damn well need to be.

269407 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 5, #130 of 1914 🔗

They were saying that about the Pig Dictator a year ago

269436 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 10, #131 of 1914 🔗

I didn’t mean I really admire Fishi Rishi. I just hope he’s got lots and lots of gold.

269599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to annie, 1, #132 of 1914 🔗

Research Thélème Partners. Thelema (its motto: “Do What You Will” is also that of the hedge fund) is a satanic philosophy developed by Aleister Crowley, one of the most evil and depraved men ever to have drawn breath.

270478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Simon Dutton, #133 of 1914 🔗

He got the slogan from Rabelais. But Rabelais said it applied only to people who were so naturally virtuous that they would never want to do anything bad.
But Rabelais had his tongue firmly in his cheek.

271008 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Simon Dutton, #134 of 1914 🔗


269869 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to annie, 1, #135 of 1914 🔗

Irony obviously.

269967 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #136 of 1914 🔗

He only has fools’ gold.

269965 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 3, #137 of 1914 🔗

He’s a snake, Don’t ever doubt it.

269458 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, 3, #138 of 1914 🔗

Well there’s definitely something fishy cooking the goose

269390 Cecil B, 27, #139 of 1914 🔗

Dear Deidre

You are right I should leave him

I feel so foolish, all the life and confidence has been sucked out of me. I know I must leave

He has now changed all the locks, locked me in and I can’t get out of the house

He sends over a guy called Mandy to watch over me when he’s out. Mandy is really, really weird

I rang the police. Someone called Mrs Watercress rang back and said I should be ashamed of myself and I deserved everything I had coming.

I wrote to my MP but I never get a reply

I contacted the Courts, but they are on holiday until 2025

I feel I might snap and do something foolish

Yours in hope

Niatirb Taerg

269391 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 21, #140 of 1914 🔗

Every politician and organisation in Aus are congratulating us in Victoria for ‘zero covid’. Feel a burning fury whenever I see those posts.

269394 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Caramel, 6, #141 of 1914 🔗

You have been zero covid for a year

269969 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #142 of 1914 🔗

Zero lots of things, actually.

269395 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Caramel, 15, #143 of 1914 🔗

Anyone asking what happens now? Because there are only two options: lift the imprisonment and let the infection graph do what it does; or keep everyone imprisoned forever.

269419 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #144 of 1914 🔗

Could they form a bubble with New Zealand?

270594 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to karenovirus, #145 of 1914 🔗

Oooh I don’t think NZ would want that!

Someone might end up actually “going” there again!

What then?

269437 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #146 of 1914 🔗

Nope. Just wait for the vaccine. ‘Covid safe’ procedures everywhere of course. After the Danish mask study came out, we no longer have to wear masks outdoors.

269440 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Caramel, 16, #147 of 1914 🔗

What?! Is that real? Australia stopped the mask mandate on base of the Danish study?! That’s fantastic. It’s been all but buried in the UK.

269443 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #148 of 1914 🔗

I’ve barely been following Aus news so I don’t know the Danish study was covered much. I read one Aus scientist who referenced the study. We still have to wear the wretched things indoors.

269584 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Caramel, 5, #149 of 1914 🔗

One of endless vaccines tied to immunity passports. The end of freedom

269398 ▶▶ annie, replying to Caramel, 11, #150 of 1914 🔗

They would congratulate a corpse for having achieved Zero Life.

269412 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Caramel, 26, #151 of 1914 🔗

I’ve had to stop looking at any media related to Australia. It’s too depressing. I’ve faced officious authorities in Australia and they are terrifying. To think of those poor people locked up in tower blocks, unable to get a breath of fresh air because they were surrounded by police was horrifying. I’ve also witnessed the ignorance of racist Australians. I’ve had those arguments and have seen, first hand, how susceptible to brain washing they are. And how cruel they can be. I love Australia. I’ve had so many wonderful experiences there are met good people. The insane and barbaric way in which the authorities have abused the entire population is unforgivable. Australian hubris is the worst. Even worse than British. They will NEVER back down from this grotesque position of “We beat the virus by having the toughest lockdown.” My heart is broken. I know I’ll never go there again. They will be the first country to impose vaccination as a condition of entry. They don’t care if it’s an unsafe vaccine for a virus that no longer exists (because it’s mutated into the next cold virus). They just LOVE power. Condolences to you. Keep up the good fight. Watch the Stacey Rudin video. It will give you strength!

269435 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #152 of 1914 🔗

I shall never go there either. It would be like spending a holiday in Auschwitz.

269687 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to annie, 8, #153 of 1914 🔗

The problem with Oz is not so much that we sent our criminals there but that we also sent prison officers…

269978 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #154 of 1914 🔗

Ironically, we sent political dissidents there.

270236 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #155 of 1914 🔗

Their gene pool must have died out.

271067 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to annie, 1, #156 of 1914 🔗

We spent about a month in Australia back in late 2006/early 2007. Can’t remember exactly, but I know it was shortly after Steve Irwin died because we had planned to spend a couple of days at his zoo in Queensland – one of the primary reasons for our visit, along with meeting up with Brit immigrant mates (I refuse to call them ex-pats) who had emigrated a few years previously, and “doing” Sydney (a horrendous dump by the way – AVOID!).
I was under no illusions about the PC-poofery which Oz had been bewitched by in the preceding 20 years, and when the immigration officer at Sydney did the usual bullshit “small talk” routine with me he said I “didn’t look that happy to be here, mate”, to which I replied I wasn’t here by choice and considered the place to be a sterile, Nanny-state bore-fest which I didn’t really like much, and couldn’t wait to get home.
His attitude changed a bit then. Not so friendly. Still, at least he didn’t send me for a cavity search. A sarcastic “Try and enjoy yourself anyway, mate” as he waved me on was all I got …. he got a mega eye-roll and an “I’ll really TRY” right back.
My main “take away” from that holiday was one of a nation intent on destroying itself through over-development at the expense of its beautiful natural habitat and one which was increasingly seeking to nestle ever more cosily alongside Uncle Sam’s haemorrhoids.
Steve Irwin’s zoo was pretty damn good, though, as were the beaches on the Sunshine Coast – and Fraser Island was absolutely incredible!

269868 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #157 of 1914 🔗

The Mad Max/Crocodile dundee Australia of the 80’s looked cool.
Then Neighbours and Home and Away came along.
Australia re-imagined it’s self into a horrible authoritarian dictatorship and all the citizens were transformed into soap opera characters, who lived in a world that was like being perpetually in school and a generation grew up under the guidance of organised social engineering. All of them carbon cut-outs of Charlene and Scott and Alf Stewart.

Australia have been at the helm of repressive law making for a long time. Plain packaging on cigarettes, compulsory cycle helmets, strict border controls and bio-security paranoia.

Australia is also a mammoth flight away and 18 hours on a plane makes me cringe.
I am not too bothered about going unless things radically change there.

269924 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Two-Six, 4, #158 of 1914 🔗

I quite agree. 20 years ago now and three years into the first Blair government I find it hard to believe that we considered emigrating to Oz or NZ because at that time they still looked like bastions of freedom and liberty.

Then as you say they started bringing in anti-smoking laws and other repressive public health measures and suddenly those countries didn’t look as attractive.

I am so glad that we never finalised the decision to emigrate.

270116 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #159 of 1914 🔗

I live here and I’ve been trying to avoid Aus media for months.

271325 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Caramel, #160 of 1914 🔗

Sky is pretty good.

269426 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Caramel, 11, #161 of 1914 🔗

As a fellow Australian I share your rage – in spades.

269445 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Caramel, 4, #162 of 1914 🔗

A winter cold that goes away in summer.

269446 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to 6097 Smith W, 10, #163 of 1914 🔗

The seasonality was obvious from day dot but they ‘just don’t know’.

269449 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caramel, 12, #164 of 1914 🔗

It was said here at LS numerous times as far back as May that covid would make a normal seasonal return this autumn or winter and that it would be labelled Second wave.

269527 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Caramel, 8, #165 of 1914 🔗

Yes. It will decline in March/April although perhaps not entirely disappear. Politicians will probably take credit, when in reality it is just the nature of the beast.

270249 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dale, replying to Waldorf, 3, #166 of 1914 🔗

Mike Yeadon maintains that viruses never “second wave.” He further maintains that the so-called second wave of Spanish Flu was likely another agent. Adds that there is a growing consensus on the matter.

269580 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Caramel, 12, #167 of 1914 🔗

It’s a huge lie

Zero Covid = loss of liberty, depression, anxiety, poverty, suicide

It seems like most politicians are corrupt

269402 annie, replying to annie, 25, #168 of 1914 🔗

In days to be, there will be a blue plaque on that lonely shed, to commemorate the devoted self-sacrifice of a champion Sceptic.
We will all gather in a closely packed, bare-faced crowd to witness the unveiling, and give three loud cheers before adjourning to the nearest (surviving) pub.

269411 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to annie, 5, #169 of 1914 🔗

Guess we could all have a whip-round to fund Tobys’ toilet? And maybe the toilet paper – ha – ha -ha.

269433 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #170 of 1914 🔗

A composting toilet? I recommend the book Humanure!

269434 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #171 of 1914 🔗

Let’s all donate sheets of bog paper until Toby is on a roll.

269486 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to annie, 1, #172 of 1914 🔗

Single? Twin? Chuck Norris? What type? Embossed with puppies?

269982 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #173 of 1914 🔗


269456 ▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 24, #174 of 1914 🔗

I posted this here back in about May:

Apparently he writes it all in the shed at the bottom of his garden, rarely stepping out into the sunlight. In a few decades’ time someone will put one of those plaques on the decaying timbers, saying something along the lines of: ‘From this humble shed, in 2020, Toby Young, ran his anti-lockdown website, and kept the flames of liberty and free-thinking alive when all seemed lost.’

People will come from around the world to visit, as a sort of pilgrimage. Appeals will be set up to maintain and to restore the hallowed structure to its former glory – sort of mini Chartwell, as it were. Books containing each day’s postings will be on sale outside, and probably there’ll be a cafe selling teas and coffees in replica Lockdown Sceptics mugs.

And people will like to think that had they been lockdown, back in 2020, they too would have had the wit and gumption to see through the fraud for what it was, and that they too would have made their stand. The vast majority wouldn’t, of course: they would have followed the herd, like almost everyone else.

269405 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #175 of 1914 🔗

One of the adverts above is saying ‘Grab a tissue before you see Petula Clark a almost 90’

Titter ye not

270876 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Cecil B, #176 of 1914 🔗

phwooaaar! i’m talkin’ “downtown”!!!

269408 Judy Watson, 15, #177 of 1914 🔗

Oh dearie me – the shambles just gets worse.
Tiers for this that and the other only 3 households at Crimbo, don’t hug your granny – what has the UK become? Why oh why do the sheeple listen and ‘observe’ the ‘rules’. I know I am preaching to converted here but some people seem blinded to the true science and can’t/won’t look it up for themselves.

Christmas day here it won’t be a case of three households mixing – more like people from 4 continents mixing. Glad I am here in ‘locked-in’ but not locked down Thailand.

269409 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 16, #178 of 1914 🔗

Not sure I can take much more of this madness.

269424 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Moomin, 4, #179 of 1914 🔗

Not surprised

269414 paul brunner, replying to paul brunner, 19, #180 of 1914 🔗

If the story about Genevieve Briand’s findings about the US Covid death rate is correct, this will be one of the biggest cons ever perpetrated by government/medical sources.
It needs to be followed up urgently by someone with stats/mats litercy

269415 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to paul brunner, #181 of 1914 🔗

What’s the story?

269421 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 52, #182 of 1914 🔗

I mean, it’s already obvious to me. The gig was up for me when I watched the press conference given by the Bakersfield doctors in April questioning the lethality of the virus, warning against the destruction to our immune systems by isolation of people, questioning why small stores were forced to close and big corporations allowed to stay open, exposing the fact that doctors and hospitals received additional public funds if they wrote “covid” on the death certificate (which they were allowed to do even if they “suspected” it). After a million views with tens of thousands of upticks, YouTube pulled it. That’s when I got really, really scared. Started digging around in the “Coronavirus Act” and found same things going on here. Criminally lax rules for who could sign a death certificate, encouragement to write “covid” if they suspected it, total indemnity from any medical malpractice. And the most chilling thing, I found, was NOT ONCE in public messaging were people advised to do anything to boost their immunity. Normal things: go outside, mix with others when you are well, have contact with children and domestic pets, take zinc and VitD, eat lots of fresh veg.

To say that this has been a carefully engineered war on the human race is not an exaggeration.

When we get too depressed, I remind my loved ones that we ARE in a war, and that we have to take life a few days or weeks at a time. Do our best to protect ourselves from weapons of war (masks, media, tests, restrictions on movement) and soldier on. No idea how or if we are going to get out of this but we HAVE to stay strong and hopeful. If we give up, “they” have won. “They” being the brainwashed masses – those who seem not to be human anymore, because they eagerly support measures that are totally inhumane. We’ve lost so many dear friends and family members to their midst. But we have to keep going and give fellow “real” human beings our support.

269428 ▶▶▶▶ Graham Strouts, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 28, #183 of 1914 🔗

I agree. This is the Great Reset in practice. We can analyse the inconsistencies in the policies and foibles of the politicians all we like, none of this is relevant. It is a staged pandemic to introduce technocracy. All this talk about the government making “own goals” is nonsense- it’s all planned. There won’t be elections worthy of the name in the future, unless they too are staged. There will be staged economic collapse and currency reset next year, the government is already warning of systemic collapse including food shortages- this is all being engineered.
It may already be too late, and certainly looks bleak, but all this hand-wringing about “the data” will achieve nothing in itself unless we wake up to what is really happening to the world.

269601 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Graham Strouts, 7, #184 of 1914 🔗

The fake allies depress me the most. The politicians and the blue ticks who’ve been anti-lockdown for months but who are suddenly promoting the vaccine make me despair. There traitors to humanity

269695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ben, 16, #185 of 1914 🔗

Omg that is the MOST depressing thing! Even more selfish that lockdowners are the “I don’t care about the safety issues, just roll out any vaccine if it means I can go to the Maldives.” Or “Fine, I’ll vaccinate my children if it means we can cross the Scottish border to go to our castle for the summer.” Selfish, abusive and ignorant. Why not just let your children smoke a cigarette each day? They probably stand a better statistical chance of escaping any major health issues than giving them a dubious vaccine.

The worst are the ones that go, “but yellow fever”… argh! What is wrong with people?!


We are talking here about a totally experimental (mRNA) vaccine that has never been approved before, for a virus that was only “discovered” a year ago and is VERY likely gone – in any particularly strong strain – from most populations. There is a REASON that no one has ever discovered an effective coronavirus vaccine before – it’s because they are too short lived. They mutate too quickly. There is no more SARS. There is no more MERS. There will soon be no more SARS-Cov-2. They just need to sell this bullshit vaccine quickly so it LOOKS LIKE it’s effective. Then they can sell it for ever more. The pharma industry is criminally corrupt. Kill now, pay later (or not if you have global indemnity against any damage claims…)!

269726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #186 of 1914 🔗

Big Pharma is a criminal organisation

269744 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #188 of 1914 🔗

Anti-lockdown crusader Anna Brees seems to be controlled opposition


270126 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ben, 4, #189 of 1914 🔗

I wouldn’t be so quick to judge Anna Brees. I don’t love everything she says. But she’s a journalist, she’s trying to be balanced. She asks questions. She’s trying not to be biased like most of the MSM. I took the post she “liked” to be sarcastic. I’m seeing a lot of sarcasm on line at the moment. I think it might be a campaign to trick the algorithms so people don’t get shadow banned. If it is, it’s genius. Some bright spark has figured out that AI can’t tell the difference between genuine and sarcastic. Let’s play along, I say.

270182 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, -2, #190 of 1914 🔗

I don’t trust her. She once tweeted that she didn’t understand why people were leaving negative comments on WEF sites. Lol

270256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, -2, #191 of 1914 🔗

She’s a Borg.

270255 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #192 of 1914 🔗

Reverse engineer/hack the algorithms.

270035 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #193 of 1914 🔗

This is a good example to come back with vs the “Yellow fever” answer. The H1N1 vaccine is probably a good comparison, and look how that ended. even the heavily censored and at time untrhful Wikipedia admits it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix#Adverse_outcomes

270140 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Sceptic in SA, #194 of 1914 🔗

Woah!! Reading all that information on Pandemrix is horrific. Doesn’t feel real!

269432 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #195 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely right. Never, never, never give up. If we soldier on, THEY. can’t win. They are attempting a war of attrition. We will not be attritted!

269595 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #196 of 1914 🔗

It is WW3

269715 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 5, #197 of 1914 🔗

Yep, WW3 started as soon as WW2 was over, a slow drip of transforming society and making the 1% even richer

270593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 1, #198 of 1914 🔗

I’d say it started well before WW2 with IG Farben, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, among others.

271092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, 1, #199 of 1914 🔗

What else do they want to buy?? There won’t be anything left worth having?

269779 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #200 of 1914 🔗

The thing is i genuinely dont want any part of world they are creating so to stay in it seems like unnecessary torture.
This is a purely pragmatic feeling not a dramatic one. I am not brave enough to do anything to bring it on, but death will be welcome.

270595 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 2, #201 of 1914 🔗

Don’t give up yet! We need you for numbers!!!

269554 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #203 of 1914 🔗

This seems to be the webinar that the article was based on…

The twitter feed under that pathetic retraction by John Hopkins is blowing up!

269672 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #204 of 1914 🔗

More censorship!!!!!!

Though making clear the need for further research, the article was being used to support false and dangerous inaccuracies about the impact of the pandemic. We regret that this article may have contributed to the spread of misinformation about COVID-19.


269780 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to paul brunner, 5, #205 of 1914 🔗

Beforeit was censored interesting tu see the comments ofthe article which were very much sceptic about pndemic,rather astonishing if they were John Hpkins alumni below is one comment which I find interesting,a fuly marxist person very much lockdonsceptic

“I would suggest simply looking at the data and making one’s case.
It’s pretty odd for someone like myself, a Marxist, to witness how it is that on “all things Covid” the conservative right-wingers are pretty much accurate with their analysis while the US liberal right-wingers have devolved into outright proto-fascists on “all things Covid.”
I would also avoid using ratemyprofessors as a measure of anything- not quite as sinister as today’s supposedly neutral “fact checking” orgs who receive funding from vested interests- but still utterly useless.
What you are going to find if you look is that year’s overall mortality rate in the US (and in Europe as it is well-documented) will be no different than last years. Both years will show increases right in the same percentile. I track this weekly BTW and have the data on overall US mortality trends since 1950.
There was and is no pandemic. There was a roughly 6 week period in March/April where death rates were high and concentrated in very few locales- pandemics are to be by definition widespread among other things.
Those that perished in that 6 week period were almost exclusively the elderly that were already near to death and most in some form of institutional care setting. Mandated policy changes that occurred in many locales in the West were responsible for these spikes in deaths amongst those elderly not some unique viral event.
BTW the entirety of the US political establishment is right-wing and virtually all of US Academia. Liberals are also right wingers- third way capitalists.”

269817 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, 5, #206 of 1914 🔗

Definitely exhibits the characteristic tunnel vision of the old left die-hards – thinking that politics is defined entirely by narrow economic issues. That’s how they come up with this delusional fantasy stuff about everyone in power being “right-wing”. They define right-wing as “not agreeing with Marxism about how economics should be run”, and then find that – amazingly – everyone sensible since Marxism-based economics was utterly discredited in the 1970s seems to be “right-wing” – even the zealots seeking to radically change society to build it back better, to conform with some collectivist, internationalist, politically correct ideological fantasy.

The reality is that politics, and the right/left divide that approximates one major spectrum within it, is about everything affecting how life is run in a society. It’s far, far broader than the absurd narrowness of the economics-only vision maniacally gripped by the usually Thatcher-obsessed, Marx-inspired old left.

270261 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to swedenborg, #207 of 1914 🔗

One way Marxist?

269416 Wayne Keogh, replying to Wayne Keogh, 30, #208 of 1914 🔗

Flatten the cure, protect the NHS, social distance, don you’re masks!! This is going nowhere, this country is now a dictatorial state. The people conformed to the regulations whether they believe or not but yesterday the screw was tightened – the totalitarian tiptoe is now starting to run, only people power will end this tyranny.

269431 ▶▶ Will, replying to Wayne Keogh, 13, #209 of 1914 🔗

No it isn’t, even with a massive majority Johnson cannot piss off over 100 of his MPs. Plus, I have confidence in the judiciary.

269439 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Will, 17, #210 of 1914 🔗

I have faith in the judiciary, too, but this government is going to try and push through changes that will change the judiciary’s reach. They also plan to abolish the House of Lords. I feel really frightened by what’s looming down the road.

I highly recommend watching the House of Lords Constitutional Committee hearings. Some of the most powerful people in the country going on record in total condemnation of the government’s actions. Listening to them is reassuring – even if temporary. And at least what they say will be on record forever.

269470 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Will, 16, #211 of 1914 🔗

Agreed. I really think they’ve over reached. And Boris’ slip yesterday that suggested Whitty is really in charge won’t have helped the blood pressure of Baker, Swayne et al.
I am hopeful that even if this passes with opposition help, Boris will be shown the door. He can’t command authority over his party and only getting measures through with opposition help is a very bad look.

269604 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to steph, 5, #212 of 1914 🔗

Yes, that slip of BoJos wa telling.

Watch it here are just after 52min.


‘We will have a vaccine, Chris has talked me into it’.


(Perhaps so,done technically more savvy could snip this piece out and send it around as a sound bite ?)

269876 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bill h, 4, #213 of 1914 🔗

Don’t believe it, it’s almost certainly bullshit to reinforce the ‘following the science’ lie (and we think that the famous photo of Whitty apparently threatening Johnson may have been a fake, too):

The perception, therefore, created and disseminated by the UK media, that there is tension and disagreement between SAGE and the Government — which is depicted as a struggle between the responsible, communitarian, pro-lockdown scientists and the irresponsible, libertarian, anti-lockdown Government — is a pure fiction. This has been carefully constructed to make the public believe that if this group of intellectually independent academics think we should obey Government lockdown restrictions on our freedoms and rights, then we’d better listen to them.

Wikipedia ’s claim that members ‘are not generally employed by government’ is an easily-proved lie; and calls by the Leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition for the Government to ‘listen to SAGE’ is like telling the Treasury to listen to the Department of Health and Social Care. In practice, SAGE is and always has been an arm of the UK Government whose members are paid and instructed to say precisely what they are saying. The delayed publication of its meetings and reports is a public relations stunt intended to present a facade of transparency to a gullible public all too easily impressed by professorships and honours and post-nominal letters, with little understanding of what they mean and how they are earned, and the misguided perception that they guarantee honesty and intellectual integrity. They don’t.

From a long but brilliant article someone linked to yesterday:

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/11/12/the-betrayal-of-the-clerks-uk-intellectuals-in-the-service-of-the-biosecurity-state/ MW

269896 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Wayne Keogh, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #214 of 1914 🔗

Excellent!! Totally agree & thank you for posting

269482 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Will, 5, #215 of 1914 🔗

But even if the majority of the country realises that something is amiss, it is probably too late. The economic implosion has already been triggered and we are in the Wile E Coyote treading air phase. Martial law and a form of communism are probably the only options now; the only way to avoid a Mad Max scenario being for the state to run everything. Even those ideologically opposed to such a policy are already ensnared in it and will ‘need’ it to happen for their very survival.

269582 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #216 of 1914 🔗

I’m not sure I agree. This can be turned around with the right policies but the question is does any existing party have the political will to do so? They have to avoid their unimaginative tendencies to tax their way out of it and to implement crippling green agendas. They must support enterprise and encourage growth.

269704 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #217 of 1914 🔗

This is so true. The problem is our side has no visibility. Talk radio get about 20,000 views per programme stuff on youtube by Ivor Cummings gets about 10,000. Even a shitshow like question time on the BBC gets a million. The horror that is GMB with chunky Morgan and that f*cking quack hilary get over a million views. We really need Nigel to start taking Yeardon and Craig and Lee onto prime time tv with his new party. And we really need the uni kids party to take off. It’s their future we are butchering after all.

269794 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #218 of 1914 🔗

QT was down to 600,000 last week, its lowest ever.

270263 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #219 of 1914 🔗

WOT=Waste Of Time.

270231 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Will, 1, #220 of 1914 🔗

According to RT, Portuguese High Court has pissed on PCR test.

269964 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Wayne Keogh, 15, #221 of 1914 🔗

The brainwashing is massive. Yesterday I was walking back from town, the pavement on a particular stretch along a main road is narrow, an older woman is walking towards me and as we get closer I see that she is frantically and I mean frantically digging in her pocket to get her mask to put on and then without looking she steps into the carriageway to avoid me. It’s just unbelievable that she thought she was safer to step into a busy main road to avoid me than pass me directly.

Yet again today, to pick up a prescription from the docs, the pharmacy nurse opens the window, I’m stood 3m away and the first she asks is, “Where’s your mask?”. I politely told her, “I don’t have one and besides I’m stood 3m from you”. All the time my inner voice is screaming, “You complete fucking idiot get a fucking grip and stop pissing your pants over a relatively small risk”.

270067 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #222 of 1914 🔗

But. But. Was there an actual risk? Methinks not

270580 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #223 of 1914 🔗

….All the time my inner voice is screaming, “You complete fucking idiot get a fucking grip and stop pissing your pants over a relatively small risk”…..

Oh! How I know how you feel!

270754 ▶▶▶ Wayne Keogh, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #224 of 1914 🔗

LOL!! it really is quite frightening how these muppets behave, I’ve stopped trying to enlighten people now, this far into the scamdemic the brainwashed are too far gone, the majority of them actually deserve what’s coming.

269420 Will, 6, #225 of 1914 🔗

Brilliant update this morning. Thank you.

269427 Chris John, 3, #226 of 1914 🔗

If you use write to them they note copy paste text will be blocked. A pity we can’t expect the same from them tossers grifting in Westminster

269430 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 11, #227 of 1914 🔗

“While Labour continues to support the Government’s Covid strategy no Tory rebellion can realistically succeed. However, relying on opposition MPs to bail you out is never a good look for a Prime Minister and often means his (or her) days are numbered.”

Not a good look for the opposition either, keeping Johnson from losing a vote and by extension in power. It weakens Starmer, who is a man of straw anyway.

269471 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Waldorf, 17, #228 of 1914 🔗

He has facilitated and legitimised this shit show. From the care home deaths, closed businesses, cancelled cancer treatment and empty schools. We need to turn the heat up on these cretins.


269609 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #229 of 1914 🔗

Complicit of crimes against humanity

269707 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #230 of 1914 🔗

Yes and a human rights lawyer too. Perhaps the poor working class don’t count as humans?

270266 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #231 of 1914 🔗

Accomplices to murder and manslaughter.

269607 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Waldorf, 6, #232 of 1914 🔗

I will never vote Labour again. Voted Labour all my life, but never again

269904 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ben, 3, #233 of 1914 🔗


269441 mhcp, 13, #234 of 1914 🔗

So deaths may have been mislabelled? That was policy and it wasn’t a secret.

What’s worrying is that it took this person over 6 months to figure that out.

269442 Josephine K, 33, #235 of 1914 🔗

There are glimmers of hope- out on the Norfolk Broads yesterday- people ignoring the nonsense- amongst them three couples and their pre school kids all mingled together all laughing as their little ones splashed in the puddles and got covered in mud….so normal…so lovely

269450 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 37, #236 of 1914 🔗

Reading todays LS, I suspect between now and the start of 2021 is the time to push back hard, each of us around the world doing our bit to wake up others, so as many people as possible can push the 1%.

If 100 conservative MPs are having doubts, how many members of the public are also thinking something is not right?

We know many people have been completely brain washed, and they are hopelessly lost, but many people have gone along with this farce as they do not want to rock the boat, these are the people we need to work on.

As the red wall wrecks small & medium sized independent businesses, in the north, this is the time of year people are going to feel the financial pain.

Pull together people, lets do this for future generations.

269452 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Dave #KBF, 15, #237 of 1914 🔗

looking forward to the demo in London tomorrow

269455 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to steve_w, 10, #238 of 1914 🔗

Liverpool seems to be having regular freedom walks.

269457 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #239 of 1914 🔗

I have a Romanian friend who was 16 when they had their revolution. He so much wanted to join in but his Mum made him stay at home. He bitterly regrets it.

269469 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to steve_w, 15, #240 of 1914 🔗

People from the former soviet block countries are the ones amongst who who know what we are all going to lose if we do nothing.

Not necessarily marching or protesting, but doing everything we can to inform and educate others, give confidence to them that we all need to act.

The simple act of going about our days doing what we want, when we want, unmasked and breathing good air in a simple act of defiance, imagine if many many people did this.

269483 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Dave #KBF, 21, #241 of 1914 🔗

I agree. Not wearing a mask and having who you want when you want round your house are acts of defiance that can encourage others (never thought I would write something like this)

269530 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #242 of 1914 🔗

Well said. My workplace is reopening next week and I shall be ready maskless with a smile on my face.

269710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #243 of 1914 🔗

Yes it’s the reason Peter Hitchins is against open revolt as he has seen the consequences.

269490 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to steve_w, 5, #244 of 1914 🔗

He shouldn’t feel bad. I’d have kept my 16 year old at home too. That’s what Mums do. He was too young to join in but that’s not his fault.

269971 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steph, 3, #245 of 1914 🔗

16 too young? I used to go up to London for gigs at 14 and even went to Glastonbury festival on my own and at 16 I had a moped and I was offski….I did all kinds of “interesting” things….

269716 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steve_w, 1, #246 of 1914 🔗

Hey Steve, what demo is happening?

270629 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, #247 of 1914 🔗


270631 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, #248 of 1914 🔗


269461 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dave #KBF, 56, #249 of 1914 🔗

The problem is, and this is what I am facing, is that a lot of people *think* they are not affected by this (and they appear to give not a jot for their liberty and freedom, so accustomed are they to state nannying). They think the pain is for others – and that is alright with them. I mean, who cares about a few small businesses? For all their faux-sympathy – Them “Oh, how are you doing” Me: “Well, how do you think I am doing when 17 years’ hard graft is being trashed and my liberty stolen” Them: “Well, we’re all in this together … anyway, do you do soya milk?” This conversation has been played out many, many times and I am getting heartily sick of it.

I know I got some jip from John P the other day because I was quite forthright with a customer about what this is doing to my business, but when someone is laughing, yes laughing, at your plight, and they think that it won’t touch them, I believe I have every right to kick back and kick back hard. I also said the other day that I posited the idea to one such faux-sympathy mongerer that the financial armageddon is going to be brutal: raided pensions, hyper-inflation, savings targetted. I got a nervous “Oh, I hope not ….” So, according to this woman, it’s OK for me to feel the financial pain of this shit-storm, but not her. Anyway, as I also said, I think I heard the cogs starting to turn. It will only be when that penny drops, amongst all of those who are not affected, that this will end.

269463 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 13, #250 of 1914 🔗

Keep fighting the good fight, kh

269487 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 26, #251 of 1914 🔗

The ignorance is staggering. I guess that’s what we get for years of education with no real learning and allowing the state to nanny us in so many ways. As an over 60 I avoid my GP as much as possible as I don’t want to start being pushed down the over medicated route. I saw my mother’s medications rise year on year and basically it was a spider to swallow a fly. That’s the medical ignorance and dependence. The financial and economic ignorance is just as damaging. People don’t know the difference between the national debt and the deficit and they actually believe “government money” exists. No, it’s your money they’re spending!

269493 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 22, #252 of 1914 🔗

So agree.

Sounds like your situation mirrors mine Steph. My mum too was overmedicated. She wouldn’t listen to me – she hung on every word the doctors said. When I finally secured a meeting with her GPs, after her death, and I told them what their pills had done, two of them were crying. I think I got through to them what damage and carnage they had caused. No solace to me though, my mum still lies in a grave years before her time and I was robbed of a mother’s care for many, many years.

269555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 11, #253 of 1914 🔗

Tell me about that….. It is amazing how many elderly people could have had a great and healthy life if they were not on a handful of prescription drugs that contraindicate with each other.

Let’s End the Prescription Drug Death Epidemic

Deaths from prescription drug overdoses have been called the “silent epidemic” for years, and now, with one American dying every 19 minutes from an accidental prescription drug overdose it’s being described as “the biggest man-made epidemic in the United States.”

75 Percent of Patients Taking Popular Blood Thinners Are Given Wrong Dose


People are not deficient in drugs, they are deficient in nutrients

269568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 11, #254 of 1914 🔗

Indeed. When I (finally) secured a meeting with the Ambulance Service a year after my mum’s death, the representative was horrified at the combination of pills my mum was taking. If he knew what the horrors of that combination was, why the hell didn’t the doctors. And it rankles that my mum’s last words were to his employees as, when I got to the hospital, she was unconscious. I hate the NHS for what they robbed me of.

269805 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 2, #255 of 1914 🔗

There is a firm called First Data Bank that GPs are supposed to refer to when combining different medicines for people with multiple conditions.

269843 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 7, #256 of 1914 🔗

Thing is, my mums’ ‘multiple conditions’ were caused by the drugs she was prescribed. She was a healthy robust person when she met the shit who was her second husband. As I’ve said before, she didn’t need psychotropic drugs/electric shock treatment, she need a damned good divorce lawyer. Sorry if this is TMI, but it’s still very, very raw and I won’t ever forgive those who put her in an early grave.

269851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #257 of 1914 🔗

And this is why I find the whole forced vaccination idea so utterly, utterly abhorrent – witnessing at first hand, as I did, the powerlessness of someone against the might of the NHS.

270880 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Twig, replying to kh1485, #258 of 1914 🔗

Well well said!

270277 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, 3, #259 of 1914 🔗

Watch CNN. Lots of adverts for Drugs. Millions/Billions are being spent on these ads every year.

270338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to richard riewer, 2, #260 of 1914 🔗

I read somewhere that they spend more on marketing than they do on R&D. Wonder what their litigation budget is.

270339 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to richard riewer, 1, #261 of 1914 🔗

I read somewhere that they spend more on marketing than they do on R&D. Wonder what their litigation budget is.

270881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to kh1485, #262 of 1914 🔗

My ex-friend GP has said that everyone over 50 should take statins. I said to her Why should I take any drug if I am healthy?
Do they get brainwashed at medical school or later?
I then did my research and found out statins have lots of side effects.

269561 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 9, #263 of 1914 🔗

Do I take it you will have to serve a substantial meal with your cuppas KH? Sadly so many people are taken in by the nonsense, the sillier it gets the more they believe. My friend Mike I mentioned the other day said, while we were discussing a piece of electronic kit, ‘we can’t get together and do that at the moment but once we have all had our jabs we can’. So without a jab I will be forbidden to enter his house, seriously…

269592 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to davews, 8, #264 of 1914 🔗

No, I think the ‘substantial meal’ crap is for pubs. We’ll just go back to what we were doing before.

But, the Business ‘Improvement’ District bods are on the case: they were dishing out hanging baskets yesterday in their deluded belief that this will attract people in their droves to the People’s Republic of SW. Again, it’s the state interfering, like private business owners can’t be trusted to make their premises look attractive. So, move over the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, I give you the Hanging Baskets of SW*

(I’ll get my coat …).

*This’ll make you laugh, one of my competitors was recently rated in some Twat Advisor poll – second to …. The Colosseum! She actually boasted about this in a piece in the local rag. Best laugh I’ve had in ages.

269666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 5, #265 of 1914 🔗

Two things: 1. Uttlesford DC has a palatial HQ. 2. The condition of the roads gets progressively worse as you get near to SW. Tells you all you need to know.

269680 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bugle, 4, #266 of 1914 🔗

Indeed, a former cottage hospital I believe. Yes, with the roads, several garages are doing a roaring trade fixing the damage done by our pot holes. One wag though got Essex Highways to sort some of the worst out by grafitti-ing phalluses over them. Pity the local council’s outrage at that didn’t extend to the(very real) dangers posed by the pot holes!

269712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Bugle, 6, #267 of 1914 🔗

it is same with the big charities . Huge new offices and huge salaries and administrations . if you ever feel charitable go local and small

269801 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steph, 1, #268 of 1914 🔗

Actually it is your grandchildrens money being spent, partly on spivs and chances.

269529 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to kh1485, 9, #269 of 1914 🔗

As always kh, you are so right. Too many of my parents’ generation (I am 39) don’t think that the government will come after their money. They are deluded.

269661 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #270 of 1914 🔗

They are deluded.

So true. Most pensioners with a savings investment will not get any return for years. They will have to live off their capital.

State pensions will not increase. Private pensions might be affected (the stock-market is doing quite well at this stage but only if invested in the right stocks – many big players under stress and /or possible closures).

Taxes will increase – yes many pay tax on their pensions

269535 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 11, #271 of 1914 🔗

Well said kh. As we’ve said here before the financial and economic illiteracy among people is staggering. Ditto the faux sympathy and virtue signalling especially if they’re living it up and thinking that all those redundancies, bankruptcies, untreated illnesses and mental health issues won’t affect them.

I’ve told certain people I know that Economic Armageddon is just around the corner and even those living in large homes with gardens and lovely jobs won’t be able to escape that.

269979 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #272 of 1914 🔗

That’s what depresses me the most: The fact that any pension and savings that I have built up over 40 years will be decimated by inflation and tax raids to pay for this.

I don’t claim to be any financial or economic wizard but even amongst my peers (largely degree qualified professional people) I find the level of financial ignorance staggering.

270514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #273 of 1914 🔗

I have a friend who is a fellow LS and we have both discussed how inflation, tax raids and fall in value can have bad effects on savings and pensions.

What really annoyed me were former colleagues who had the “I’m alright Jack attitude” and had the nerve to belittle people who were finding it hard to cope with lockdown, couldn’t wear masks and generally had different opinions to theirs. I’m sorry to say this but I won’t be shedding any tears for them if and when inflation and tax raids hit their wealth which means that they can’t go abroad 5-6 times a year now or live the high life. They will have to suck it up and put up with this crap like the rest of us.

269708 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to kh1485, 6, #274 of 1914 🔗

I think it’s time to stop pussyfooting around and call a spade a spade in simple direct terms as these people will not understand anything else.
All they worry about is whether can have chocolate sprinkles on their drink – pathetic!

269462 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #275 of 1914 🔗

There are certain elements of this scamdemic that cut right across the political and Covid divide; the most obvious being the blatant financial corruption and cronyism. Another, care home deaths and people still being infected in hospitals. These are the areas where Labour should be pressed. ‘Oppose these measures or you are complicit’. Very simple.

269525 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #276 of 1914 🔗

I think January, traditionally the most hopeless month of the year, is our best opportunity.

269451 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 15, #277 of 1914 🔗

Swedish all cause mortality still below 5 year average


table 1

But their stress free population, having spent all summer enjoying the sun rather than miserably locked up in flats will have exceptional immune systems. Stress and not being outside enough will cause more deaths than covid in the UK

269613 ▶▶ Ben, replying to steve_w, 1, #278 of 1914 🔗

Sweden’s fallen though. Looks like it’s also under the thumb of the WEF

270680 ▶▶▶ Dale, replying to Ben, #279 of 1914 🔗

Yes, there are no hero nations. Only heroic individuals.

269453 Albie, replying to Albie, 8, #280 of 1914 🔗

Starmer would be foolish to call for a national lockdown. It would be a misjudgement of public mood so I don’t think he will. It’s like asking the arsonist who burned your house down if he will burn the neighbours down too, to make things even.

269465 ▶▶ alw, replying to Albie, 13, #281 of 1914 🔗

Starmer is a coward and failed human rights lawyer amongst other things. One cannot expect him to do the right thing….he lacks ability.

269467 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to alw, 6, #282 of 1914 🔗

We need to turn the heat up on this chump


269524 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Albie, 1, #283 of 1914 🔗

Well, he did, didn’t he? And he eventually got it!

Doubt he will do it again, though.

269597 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Albie, 15, #284 of 1914 🔗

Since when has Starmer cared about the public mood? He couldn’t read it if it was printed out on paper for him.

All he had to do when this started was to get another side of the story from people like Gupta, Yeadon, Hennigan et al. Build up the evidence against lockdowns and block the government at every turn. He would have sailed in to no 10 at the next election. He would have been seen as the Hero that defeated the Totalitarian Tory government and he’d have gone down in History as a great leader. Unfortunately for us, he’s as thick and spineless as the rest of them and has climbed in to bed with Boris. Another piss weak politician who is just in it for the money and power.

270281 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #285 of 1914 🔗

Right on! Another Phony Corona enabler.

269618 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Albie, 1, #286 of 1914 🔗

Politicians are exempt from lockdown as well testing, face masks etc..

269733 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Albie, 4, #287 of 1914 🔗

this morning on Talk Radio JHB interviews a guy called Paul Emburey (a trade unionist) about his new book “why the Modern Left hates the working class”. Starmer is just the front for the modern left.

note aswell as an interview with the ridiculous Robert Jenrick she also interviews a doctor who is part of the national screening exercise who takes apart the whole test and trace process

269454 fosterc, replying to fosterc, 9, #288 of 1914 🔗

The briefing document for MP’s regarding the PCR tests is really useful but it still contains a lot of words over seven letters long. Redraft anybody

269466 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to fosterc, 3, #289 of 1914 🔗

Agree. Also, a lot of these discussions around PCR etc go straight over most people’s heads. Most switch off immediately.

I suggest a simple slogan to get trending #Labouriscomplicit

It can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean.

270499 ▶▶▶ fosterc, replying to Tom Blackburn, #290 of 1914 🔗

Thanks for your reply’s. The realisation that MP’s aren’t all that bright has come as a bit of surprise. We could perhaps fall back to simple diagrams using primary colours. Good luck everyone.

269494 ▶▶ steph, replying to fosterc, 6, #291 of 1914 🔗

I doubt I can be bothered to send that to my MP. I explained the false positives to her in words of one syllable some weeks ago. She didn’t even address the point in her reply. They just are not listening and why should we waste time telling them the same thing over and over? She’s lost my vote forever but she doesn’t care because she thinks there are plenty more. I hope she’s wrong.

269523 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to steph, 3, #292 of 1914 🔗

Mine the same. I’ve tried the PCR stuff on him; totally tin-eared. “Getting the numbers down” is all that matters. Unfortunately it doesn’t help that my local authority is a so-called “hotspot”.

269588 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to steph, 3, #293 of 1914 🔗

I’ve sent numerous letters with piles of evidence to my (Labour stooge) MP. Never addresses any of the points, I’ve given up. Thick as shite he is, another career MP. He purports to care about the people of the region of the North East I live in. However, he happily votes for lockdowns every time, helping to destroy his constituents businesses and lives. As long as he get his huge wage packet though, I’m sure that’s all he cares about.

269831 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to fosterc, 2, #294 of 1914 🔗

Did it last night (well, about 1 a.m) as the article was here then, under a different title. I am beyond certain it will fly past the target and MP will neither read the message pleading for an end to PCR, nor open the link.
My MP is more interested in car parking and banning sky lanterns – that and side effects caused by micro-chipping cats. I despair; wish I could get to the King’s X demo.

270587 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to fosterc, 1, #295 of 1914 🔗

Try this beginning:

As the DHSC cannot give a definitive answer to the questions:

1 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance that DHSC has that allow the PCR tests to be used as a diagnostic tool/test

2 – how can positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?

I contacted a manufacturer of RT-PCR tests that the UK Government use at present.

In their technical documentation they sent me it states:

“The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product. The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician”

“Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.”

“This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen”

“This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.”

“Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.”

Please explain why the RT-PCR test is being used to justify any restrictions.

269459 Marion Woodville, replying to Marion Woodville, 15, #296 of 1914 🔗

If you feel impotent and want to DO SOMETHING to stop this madness, why not check out “Back to Normal” We are a rapidly growing grassroots group delivering leaflets to the public outlining an alternative approach to Covid-19.

We have produced a free leaflet which can double as a window or car sticker and is easy to post door to door or hand out in the street (when not in lockdown). This is something every lockdown sceptic can do.  Leaflets produced to date number 60,000 already and demand is growing.

It all works through a nationwide network, consisting essentially of ordinary citizens, alone or in groups of friends. We are gaining numbers daily.  It’s one that we can do something to roll back the tide of lies and manipulation. Also you have the opportunity to meet likeminded sceptics and find someone sane to talk to!

269484 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marion Woodville, 4, #297 of 1914 🔗

I am starting to distribute my leaflets today in The Range which is bustling with Christmas shoppers. I’m going to tuck them into the goods on sale, customers can pull them out if curious.

269492 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Marion Woodville, 2, #298 of 1914 🔗

There is also ‘The Light’ newspaper which is looking for distributors.


269519 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Basileus, 1, #299 of 1914 🔗

I’ve put my name forward for both. Awaiting instructions

269549 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Marion Woodville, 4, #300 of 1914 🔗

Like your website. However, it is a pity that you have a yahoo email – yahoo scans all your emails and will then also have a log of everyone that contacted you.

protonmail.com is an encrypted email (protecting both your details and that of those that contact you). Free accounts available

269460 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 30, #301 of 1914 🔗

I was shocked that the government even had the power to implement lockdown. Maybe when this is over and everyone (apart from Ferguson) realises it was a massive mistake – we can limit government power constitutionally and permanently. It would be a mini revolution and some good can come out of this. If we don’t, the next lockdown is just a matter of time – if we have a repeat of 2017/18 flu season or mink virus or whatever comes next.

269499 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 14, #302 of 1914 🔗

According to Lord Sumption, and the thrust of the Dolan case, they indeed did not have the power to do this under the 1984 Act. They should have used the Civil Contingencies Act which requires much more parliamentary scrutiny and regular review and renewal.

269511 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Julian, #303 of 1914 🔗

We were writing something similar at the same time I think. Totally agree

269508 ▶▶ steph, replying to steve_w, 9, #304 of 1914 🔗

Too true. How on earth have they been able to do this in the UK? I guess we got complacent and took our eye off the ball. We really must make sure this cannot happen again. I’m fairly sure it isn’t unlawful and the Act used only allows them to restrict the movement of the infected, not the healthy but the wheels of judicial review turn far too slowly Andy need the very wealthy to be prepared to set them going. We need something much more decisive in future and possibly a written constitution which states that the government can never vote itself more powers.
I’m not a lawyer so I may just be ranting irrationally but something must be done.

269516 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to steph, 1, #305 of 1914 🔗

Bloody spellchecker- *is* unlawful not isn’t

269759 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to steph, 1, #306 of 1914 🔗

I think autocorrect works for the other side. It so often says the opposite of what we mean.

269770 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to thinkaboutit, #307 of 1914 🔗

It constantly does that to me. It just changed that does to doesn’t for instance!

270288 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to thinkaboutit, #308 of 1914 🔗

How about turning it off?

269742 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steph, 5, #309 of 1914 🔗

The real stupidity Steph is that during Brexit 50% of the population thought the government was lying and was prepared to go on demos to prove their case. They joined websites and argued on twitter shouting their known facts about these lies. They investigated the facts before forming an opinion. But now 70% think the government cannot be lying and is protecting us from this killer disease. And is prepared to take everything the government says as the truth! How do we get these muggles to question the party line?

269766 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #310 of 1914 🔗

I don’t know. I can see how we got here, I think, which was Project Fear on steroids and the general scientific illiteracy of the populace.
I’ve seen many an intelligent person glaze over when asked to consider statistics or science. They just don’t want to try.
I hope that the backbench rebellion will gather pace because as they say how can they tell their constituents that lockdowns are the answer when we are in a higher tier now than before the last one? Hopefully fighting for their political future, so long as they are not hoping for a government job from Boris, will have them see the light.

269827 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to steph, 4, #311 of 1914 🔗

If they think there’s a chance Boris will be ousted or resign then they’re less likely to believe there’s a government job in prospect for them. The bigger the rebellion looks, the more it looks like time is running out for the leadership and the more will be inclined to join the rebellion. Similarly, if Labour think it’ll look like they’re responsible for the vote going through, more of them will want to disassociate with it and could thus prevent it going through.

269464 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 20, #312 of 1914 🔗

When Will Jones says:

While Labour continues to support the Government’s Covid strategy no Tory rebellion can realistically succeed.

he is mistaken. The Covid Recovery Group could lead a successful rebellion by the simple expedient of having its members write letters to Graham Brady (1922 Committee), or even just telling Number Ten that they intend to do so unless there is complete change of approach to the virus.

The mere threat of a leadership contest is likely to be sufficient to persuade Boris Johnson to make the necessary changes. But if it were insufficient, triggering an election contest would inevitably place the government’s responses to the virus centre stage and facilitate a consideration of a variety of approaches, in which sceptical voices, calling for a proportionate response to the virus could at last be heard.

269475 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #313 of 1914 🔗

‘Centre stage’, is there anything else apart from lockdown on the stage ?

269500 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, #314 of 1914 🔗

There would be for Tories who aspire to be the leader of their party and the prime minister of the country.

269476 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #315 of 1914 🔗

I have begged my MP to write to the 1922 committee. I agree this is one way out. We all know the virus will have gone by Spring through a combination of herd immunity and seasonal suppression. I just don’t want to wait that long

269498 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to steve_w, #316 of 1914 🔗

You’ll still have to accept the vaccine if you want to do anything

270292 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve_w, 1, #317 of 1914 🔗

Stop begging and demand/insist that your MP write to the 1922 Committee.

270526 ▶▶▶ fosterc, replying to steve_w, #318 of 1914 🔗

Virus will be gone… but at that point the bombshell will be dropped. It will go something like this,

“The virus has devastated the economy and caused many deaths, It cannot be allowed to happen again therefore we implementing measures to protect you this Winter… etc etc . “

269480 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #319 of 1914 🔗

I think we all know – or at least hope we do by now – that this ‘rebellion’ is nothing of the sort. We need to turn our guns on the Opposition.


269816 ▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #320 of 1914 🔗

Labour are not the ones in power. If we focus on them, the real dictators can run around and do what they like.

269899 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Censored Dog, #321 of 1914 🔗

They are already! Think pragmatically!

270315 ▶▶▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Tom Blackburn, #322 of 1914 🔗

But isn’t this the reason why most people voted Tory in the last election? Because Labour was worse? This sort of tactical voting is very detrimental and another solution has to be found.

269749 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #323 of 1914 🔗

Or if one of the other majors like Germany, Spain or France puts the kibosh on testing the sheepies will all follow. Place your best on who will blink first. My money is on macron

269468 alw, replying to alw, 15, #324 of 1914 🔗

Boris is the author of his own demise. The dam wall has sprung a leak which grows larger by the day.

269509 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 2, #325 of 1914 🔗

He should pull his finger out.

269722 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to alw, 1, #326 of 1914 🔗

god where are the dam busters when you need them!? Need to blast the useless dictator and his cronies out of downing street!

269473 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 24, #327 of 1914 🔗

If the return to these hellish Tiers was a ‘concession’, then what the hell did Johnson really have planned for us?! An extended full lockdown?

Plus these new Tiers are a pretty poor concession. I know we say it a lot on here but the tide is really turning, again – my impression is that more people are very angry about being put under worse restrictions after lockdown than before it. Plus all the true-blue Tory home county constituencies haven’t been spared this time round so fingers crossed that some of Johnson’s key voter base, on which he thought he could rely, will now be turning against him. His political career is absolutely in tatters, it’s just a question of when he goes. My bf reckons he’ll hang on for another couple of years (because that’s probably how long this crisis has to run) and then quietly duck away once the inevitable enquiry begins.

269478 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Poppy, 18, #328 of 1914 🔗

And how angry must those northern voters be who were ‘lending’ him their vote at the General Election. They must be rueing the day.

269513 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to kh1485, 20, #329 of 1914 🔗

I’m from the North East and would never vote for the Tories again. They have ruined the country and they ain’t finished yet. I wouldn’t vote Labour either, a bunch of lefty champagne socialists, woke, virtue signalling psychopaths. Oh, and Labour would have had us in permanent lockdown, they have said as such on many occasions. Doesn’t really leave anybody to vote for that has a realistic chance of getting in to power. We are fooked.

269528 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to FlynnQuill, 5, #330 of 1914 🔗

I hope for some of the new parties to be genuine or it’s a lifetime of spoilt ballots for me.

269598 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 3, #331 of 1914 🔗

Me too. I’m going to have fun venting the pent-up fury I feel.

269542 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to FlynnQuill, 7, #332 of 1914 🔗

Agree. Never conservative, never labour agains as they both culpable for decimating the economy, killing people and aspirations.

Spoiling a ballot appear is meaningless – it just helps the strongest of the two parties.

In the end we will need to vote for another party even if you do not fully agree what they stand for

269560 ▶▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Victoria, 10, #333 of 1914 🔗

SDP party look like they share our values etc. I have seen their leader on TalkRadio many times and he is a Lockdown Sceptic. Talks a lot of sense. Hates the woke generation, green shite, etc, etc. They could worth a shout. However I can see most of the people in this country voting for the two parties that have locked them up for better part of a year for a flu virus!

269727 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #334 of 1914 🔗

Agree with SDP – heard their leader and he was excellent. To be honest i hadn’t heard of them before

269809 ▶▶▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Victoria, 2, #335 of 1914 🔗

The LibDems has been pretty much radio silence from the very beginning, but what we do have to remember is that they voted against the renewal of the Coronavirus (Enabling) Act in September. If enough of us join their party and vote for them, we can influence them to take a stronger stance, which will win them votes.

269991 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Censored Dog, 8, #336 of 1914 🔗

Our Lib Dem “leader” is a devout Covidian, she is insane. She loves the face nappies.

I had a run in with her before face-nappy day in a shop, I was giving the cashier lady the sceptical canon and she was ear-wigging, then she jumped into the conversation, wearing her face nappy, “Oh!” she said haughtily, “I suppose you are one of those CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!”

She really is a twatt, she was asking for face-nappies to be mandated in all sheltered accommodation in their public areas on the last council Covid panel meeting.

A horrible woman, arrogant as fuck and really really ignorant.

270309 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Two-Six, #337 of 1914 🔗

Jo Swinson isn’t the leader anymore (She lost her seat at the last election), Ed Davey is the new leader now and as far as I can tell, he is more sceptical (but he doens’t really say his opinion on things to avoid controversy)

269673 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FlynnQuill, 11, #338 of 1914 🔗

Same here. Will never vote Conservative again ever.

If Labour think they’ll get my vote, they should think again. Ditto the Lib Dems, Greens.

They’re all complicit it this.

269752 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #339 of 1914 🔗

Yep, me too. I no longer have a vote as there is nobody who is not supporting this rank stupidity.

269781 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #340 of 1914 🔗



The leaders of both these parties have been outspoken against the coronapanic nonsense. So (latterly) has Nigel Farage, whose party is apparently going to be rebranded as Reform.

Any or all of these parties might well be standing next time you vote.

If your preferences run rather to the political left, who knows eventually perhaps a party of the left might arise that actually stands up on the most vital issue of the moment.

There is also the SDP which has been outspokenly any-panic. Not sure where they belong on the right/left spectrum – probably centre or centre-left.

269497 ▶▶ steph, replying to Poppy, 5, #341 of 1914 🔗

Very well said but I do hope your bf is wrong. I really can’t bear another 2 years of the clown destroying us and I can’t bear watching what it does to my family either.

269504 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 7, #342 of 1914 🔗

Agree but I hope we don’t have to wait that long to get rid of Johnson. I reckon he will be out by the New Year.

269515 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Poppy, 7, #343 of 1914 🔗

There is growing fed-up-ness – anger in places. We’re not at a tipping point yet, though.

I hope it’s not two years. I think, realistically, we’ll probably go on like this till about May. If they still try to keep the tiers in place once the weather is on the up, the miracle snake-oil is being rolled out to the masses, and business is trying to get going again, I think we’ll see epic-scale protests and mass non-compliance.

I hope.

269758 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #344 of 1914 🔗

This should be true but then again I thought it would be all over by Summer/September/Christmas and now March. They are in a hole if their own making. If they don’t stop the testing the figures will always keep us closed down.

270311 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, #345 of 1914 🔗

Mock the PCR tests. Surely there must be many irregularities in the test results over the past 8 months?

269540 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Poppy, 2, #346 of 1914 🔗

Don’t think he will ever be safe in the UK again – lots of ‘bounty hunters’ that will want to do a citizens arrest

269620 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Victoria, 1, #347 of 1914 🔗

I’m more of a ‘inhumane dispatch’ mood today.
I’d cut his balls off but I think PNN did this already, and his exes would be before me in that queue.
I do want Hancock for myself. Skinned alive and his worthless pelt sent to a taxidermist.
Then keep him alive, skinless, to be rolled in salt.

269765 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Chris John, #348 of 1914 🔗

Nooooo please can I share Handcock with you. You know force feed him sweets then pinata his ass with baseball bats!

270033 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Poppy, 2, #349 of 1914 🔗

…all the true-blue Tory home county constituencies haven’t been spared this time round so fingers crossed that some of Johnson’s key voter base, on which he thought he could rely, will now be turning against

A subject Mrs C and I have have discussed often, Poppy. Yes, it’s never a good idea for the Tories to go after their own. Most political commentators say this, just as they say a Tory PM’s days are numbered when he/she loses his backbenchers. No, Boris won’t survive another two years.

Like others have mentioned, I can’t see Johnson lasting too far into the new year; he’s now a busted flush. The Tory backbenchers might let him see Brexit out and then go for a leadership contest.

They won’t do it at the moment though, the cowards; all we will hear from them will be the old ” it would be a distraction for the country in a time of crisis”, “last thing the country needs right now”, etc, etc.

270294 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Poppy, #350 of 1914 🔗

Steal his bicycle.

269474 Mars-in-Aries, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 3, #351 of 1914 🔗

What the “cumulative standardised mortality rate” chart shows is that we had a lot of excess deaths in April, and since then the average death rate has actually been less compared to other years. In other words, yet more proof that the pandemic was in fact over by May and the rest is artifacts one sort or another.

269767 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Mars-in-Aries, #352 of 1914 🔗

And misdiagnosed deaths.

269479 Julian, replying to Julian, 5, #353 of 1914 🔗

“In a press release put out by the Covid Recovery Group, Harriett Baldwin MP, a former minister, said:
I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep having to live under cycles of damaging lockdowns and severe restrictions, and to reform NHS Test & Trace so that only the infectious individuals and their close contacts have to isolate.”

Better late than never but what “new and enduring strategy” could she possibly have been expecting? I suppose it’s natural for humans to continue striving for answers, but if there was some kind of magic strategy to mitigating a respiratory virus to make it more or less disappear wouldn’t it have been found by now? You’ve got to be really thick or muddle headed to think otherwise.

And what does she think she means by the phrase “infectious individual”?

269538 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 6, #354 of 1914 🔗

I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep having to live under cycles of damaging lockdowns and severe restrictions

It is just a silly excuse. Harriett the fact is that you voted for lockdown, killing businesses, jobs and people . There is no need to lockdown to make time for strategising, planning etc.

Track & Trace should be disbanded. There is no need. The virus is similar to annual flu infections. The sooner we get exposure to it and learn to live with it the better.

Closed businesses and lost jobs are final and not alt all reversible.

What becomes very clear is that the problem is the NHS – hospital acquired infections by already immune compromised people, staffing issues, management issues, lots of issues

269664 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Victoria, 3, #355 of 1914 🔗

I actually think what we are seeing is A flu instead and the Covid-19 is a passenger virus that affects a small amount of people. The problem has been that all the focus has been on looking for Covid, not a flu. There hasn’t been any testing for flu and the symptoms are very similar to what Covid is.

And, the flu rates have dropped considerably more than normal variation.

270044 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, #356 of 1914 🔗

It is just a silly excuse.

Agreed, Victoria. It looks like an arse covering attempt to me.

269485 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 12, #357 of 1914 🔗

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Scotland’s most famous dentist gives some solid advice on how to avoid killing granny this Xmas.

It’s worth noting that he says the virus doesn’t like rough surfaces, like wrapping paper, but he expects that we’ll have hand sanitiser by the Xmas tree.

269495 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Mark H, 5, #358 of 1914 🔗


269503 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark H, 3, #359 of 1914 🔗

This just pitched me into gales of laughter.
Imagine a sanitised Christmas in the home of a Scotch sheeple!

269518 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark H, 4, #360 of 1914 🔗

This fruitcake expert thinks the virus is alive, has likes and dislikes.

269526 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Mark H, 2, #361 of 1914 🔗

‘It doesn’t like…….’ Give me strength..It does nae like ANY surfaces, Jase. Twat.


269533 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Mark H, 4, #362 of 1914 🔗

Whers the opposition to this insanity? Where’s the Scottish CRG? Send help to Scotland!

269539 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Maccynic, #363 of 1914 🔗

Charity begins at home Maccynic. If we ever get our own house in order south of the border maybe some sanity will spill over. Both big ifs at the moment.

269657 ▶▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to steph, #364 of 1914 🔗

And home is the UK. The point was the lack of meaningful opposition to Princess Nic Nics shitshow from the scottish assembly.

269686 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Maccynic, #365 of 1914 🔗

I know. I am very much pro the union. However Nicola has decided to go her own way and make sure at all times it is even more draconian than England. I hope we’ll all get out of it.

270216 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to steph, #366 of 1914 🔗

I think the Union is in serious trouble.

269547 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mark H, 7, #367 of 1914 🔗

‘Mr Leitch said: “If you think about the spread of the virus and, remember every single person who catches this virus gets surprised when they catch it, so it could be in the room so you just have to think about the distancing, the surfaces, the stuff you’re touching but please don’t worry about your Christmas presents.”’

What really upsets me – upsets me most fundamentally about the whole coronamaniac regime – is that we have fallen into the hands of people who cannot think. Just this one sentence demonstrates an almost total self-contradiction.

269660 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Alethea, 1, #368 of 1914 🔗

Touching surfaces/ fomite transmission was downgraded months ago. Why is tis man being paid to disseminate lies.

269862 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Alethea, 2, #369 of 1914 🔗

As I always say about Leitch, he’s a fucking dentist.

270213 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Alethea, #370 of 1914 🔗

It’s beyond farcical and I just don’t pay attention to this idiot and his boss. I need to maintain my sanity somehow. As Ivor Cummins has said, this whole episode is actually anti-scientific (unscientific would be bad enough, but it’s anti-scientific). Hard to believe the Scottish Enlightenment originated here when you see morons like this in the positions they hold.

270483 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Alethea, #371 of 1914 🔗

What really upsets me – upsets me most fundamentally about the whole coronamaniac regime – is that we have fallen into the hands of people who cannot think. Just this one sentence demonstrates an almost total self-contradiction.”

This: Exactly this.

269685 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark H, 3, #372 of 1914 🔗

Is he on drugs? I remember at the start of this shit show a very senior director in my department told our meeting that he advised his parents ‘to just listen to Jason, he will keep you safe’ and we should all do the same.

I wouldn’t buy a 2nd hand car off the man or have him look at my teeth so have ignored him.

269863 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to stefarm, #373 of 1914 🔗

Have you seen the fucking state of his teeth? Popcorn.

270210 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stefarm, #374 of 1914 🔗

Exactly. He doesn’t inspire confidence, to put it mildly. I’ve ignored his messages (and those from the Dear Leader) for months. Otherwise, I’d probably throw something at the TV.

269730 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark H, 1, #375 of 1914 🔗

Psychopaths look normal

269771 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Mark H, 3, #376 of 1914 🔗

This just smacks of the washed and deodorised middle class telling the dirty proles what to do.

He can eff right off.

269488 Steve Martindale, 21, #377 of 1914 🔗

Since moving to North Devon much of my time, when I’m not fuming over lockdown madness, is spent in the natural world in our large garden or working on local nature reserves, surveys and associated projects. I have noticed that this level of connection with the natural world has changed my outlook and I feel much more in tune with the natural pattern of birth, life and death. I am not a great enthusiast for animal rescue charities, being out and about in the ‘boondocks’ of N Devon I see lots of things die, but also lots of things being born and thus I am more of an enthusiast to encourage births rather than to protect from death.
This attitude extends to how I feel about human life and this virus hoo-haa has shown how much my view contrasts with much of the public who simply have a horror of the very word death. This, to my mind unrealistic, view of death, seems to have been a key factor in enabling the Uberfuhrers who currently rule over us to impose all these ridiculous lockdowns.
Ironically one effect of this years Coronavirus panic has been that the registration and recording of births has been suspended and so it is tricky to know how births have gone in 2020 but if we look back

2019 ONS England & Wales total live births 640,370
2020 ONS E & W total deaths to date 529,000

If live births 2020 in E&W are similar to 2019 and why wouldn’t they be?
then there would need to be 111,370 deaths over the next 6 weeks in order for the total deaths in E&W to = the total live births.
That would equate to 18,561 deaths per week which looks unlikely and so 2020 will still see more live births than deaths.
So SARS-Cov2 is no threat to human existence it is just a threat to our ludicrous, sentimental and unrealistic view of death. With Christmas approaching it is time we stopped mithering on about death and started to celebrate all the live births we have had in the UK.

269489 Peter, 1, #378 of 1914 🔗
269496 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #379 of 1914 🔗

At first glance this seemed like huge news to me, so I had a closer look:

Stop Press: An article in the Johns Hopkins Newsletter published on November 22nd summarised the findings of Genevieve Briand, Assistant Program Director of the Applied Economics Master’s Degree Program at Hopkins. She analysed all-cause mortality in the US in 2020, comparing the data to deaths in previous years, and found, to her surprise, that 2020 was less exceptional that it seemed at first blush.”

But I found it a bit misleading as the chart from the CDC on this page clearly shows an increase in all-cause mortality in the US this year compared to the 5-year average, similar to the increase we’ve had in the UK (I’m not clear if the CDC chart is adjusted for age and population size, but that would not account for all of the increase). The increase is nothing like as exceptional as people perceive or as is predicted, but it’s there. I think it best to stick to the facts otherwise we are too easily attacked, though it is true that deaths are mis-labelled, but if you get into arguments about labelling death you’ll never get out of it. Need to stick to all-cause mortality, and the age of those dying.
Grateful if others can offer a different take on this.


269546 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Julian, 1, #380 of 1914 🔗

I think all-cause mortality figures are a red herring. The ‘experiment’ has been changed this year, so any comparisons with the past are meaningless. If someone seeks to use this year’s figures to show that Covid isn’t that bad, then what do they do next year when the non-Covid lockdown deaths begin to take off? They will be hoist by their own petard.

269774 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, #381 of 1914 🔗

It’s true that lockdown deaths will muddy the waters, but it’s still a hard measure to fake, whereas everything else – “cases” and “covid deaths” is very easy to fake and too variable to be reliable. Ideally you need to look at deaths and the age and recorded health conditions of the people dying and draw some solid conclusions.

269556 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Julian, 2, #382 of 1914 🔗

Apparently all-cause mortality increased this year slightly from 2019. Also last year slightly from 2018. And the year before that. And the four years before that as well. But obviously we have not had pandemics every year for the last seven years.

2013: 2,596,993
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630
2016: 2,744,248
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,855,000
2020: 2,512,880 (as of 14 November)

I think the idea is that nothing special has happened this year. Population sizes change etc, but a pandemic would have produced very obvious numbers.

269777 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to richmond, #383 of 1914 🔗

Where did you get those numbers?

269559 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Julian, #384 of 1914 🔗

My take on this is that all this talk about deaths has an unrealistic ring of terror and dread about it and death data should always be contrasted with birth data. If births and deaths are running parallel then there is not a lot to worry about and both births and deaths should be celebrated.

269632 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, #385 of 1914 🔗

All cause mortality in the US has increased around 2% every year of the last 5.

270331 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #386 of 1914 🔗

Blame it on Public Health England. The killjoys are killing more people than they are saving.

270340 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #387 of 1914 🔗

Carbon Neutral? Net Zero? The Common Good? Sustainable Development? What bullshit phrases.

269755 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #388 of 1914 🔗

I had the same reaction to reading this report yesterday. A bit uneasy about it, but presumably it’s just written misleadingly.

269891 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #389 of 1914 🔗

The AIER article, linked by DeepBlueYonder below, discussing the Johns Hopkins report is quite good:

New Study Highlights Alleged Accounting Error Regarding Covid Deaths

269501 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #390 of 1914 🔗

Hello all. Is there an anti lockdown demo in London tomorrow?

269532 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PatrickF, 1, #391 of 1914 🔗

Some posted yesterday about Kings Cross

Easiest to search using this: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm

It’s an index to a mirror of each day’s page, fully loaded so you can search immediately using ctrl-f

269800 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Julian, #392 of 1914 🔗

Thanks Julian.

269737 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to PatrickF, 1, #393 of 1914 🔗

yes 12 at Kings Cross – check out StandUpX site.
I would encourage all local london based sceptics to try and make an appearance – time to put boots on the ground and get the visible numbers.

269502 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #394 of 1914 🔗

The tiers don’t make sense and no matter how the government dresses it up, its still a lockdown. They can’t carry on fooling people by calling it different names or trying to waffle on about sematics. We’re still under lockdown pure and simple. After all, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc….

One can only hope that more people wake up but I can imagine in my workplace it will be the usual moaning about “oh if only people followed the rules” or “its those selfish people who refuse to wear masks who are at fault.” The trouble is majority of my colleagues are millienials, it seems that even compulsory redundancy being a reality hasn’t been enough to wake them up.

I suspect its because they still believe and expect that they can count on mummy and daddy to ride to the rescue and bail them out. What they don’t realise is that they shouldn’t be relying on that for the following reasons:

a) mummy and/or daddy could be made redundant too. Or their business can go bust
b) their savings and pensions being subjected to tax raids and/or steep decline in value

And definitely they shouldn’t rely on the grandparents either.

269517 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #395 of 1914 🔗

There are exceptions, of course, but it does seem that a great many people who grew up watching (mostly American) motivational videos on Youtube really do believe that they are awesome, that everything is super cool, and that if they obey the injunction “Just you wait till you see this!” they’ll see something magical that will make them rich and solve all the world’s problems.

The internet started life as a way of communicating reliable information for free. Now it’s a way for charlatans to communicate bullshit for a subscription fee. And it has rotted the public mind.

269541 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #396 of 1914 🔗

Agree. There’s a psychologist who labelled millienials as the “unicorn generation.” They think they’re special, unique and they can be who they want to be, everything they want will happen. This attitude has been fostered by teachers, parents, peers and social media has given them a platform to show to the world how “special” they are.

So they’ve gone through life believing they’re special and throw a wobbly when things go their way. This crisis has only serve to highlight this “unicorn mentality” where they can virtue signal with their muzzles, observe anti-social distancing scrupulously (but only when it suits them) and turn on those who question the orthodoxy.

I get the feeling that they will be in for a very, very rude reality check.

269545 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, #397 of 1914 🔗

“don’t go their way” – DOH!

269548 ▶▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #398 of 1914 🔗

Look for the cog wheel on the right. You can edit for a minute or so!

269569 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #399 of 1914 🔗

The problem I see with the youngsters where I work is that they don’t seem to think that politics or decision making is something they have any power over. They don’t seem to grasp the implications of what is being done to them, preferring to shrug (“what can I do?”) and acquiesce to whatever is demanded. There’s no sense of indignation or resistance, just a passive belief that the government knows better than they do.

At first blush, this seems like a strange situation, given the anti-social behaviour of the BLM movement and other woke groups. But perhaps the aggressiveness of such movements is part of the problem. It does seem that youngsters are becoming more and more sensitive to criticism, perhaps because of the way that Generation X has raised them, or perhaps because of the Like button in social media, but whatever the genesis of their fragility, the effect seems to be a reluctance to stand up and be counted when there is a risk of censure. Sure, they’re happy to attend a BLM march, but that’s because they have a ready-made support group that will shower them with praise for “doing good”. Ask one of these kids to stand up against their peers and they’ll flat out refuse because the damage to their reputation is much worse to them than standing up for a cause of their own devising.

I don’t know what to make of it. My young colleagues are super sharp and generally well informed about the world (at least the world described by the BBC) but at the same time they seem disconnected and spineless. Maybe they see the world as just another TV show that they can watch or ignore as they choose. If so, they’re probably not going to like what the next season has in store for them.

269691 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #400 of 1914 🔗

I agree with you. Many of my young colleagues seem well informed (OK from the prism of MSM) but can’t seem to understand that not everyone shares their views and not everyone is interested in the same causes and views as theirs. I also think as well that they’ve been insulated from real life for a long time and not even this virus has led them to question what’s going on. Despite going on about “people before profit” they have no answer when you point out about redundancy & businesses collapsing leading to poverty, depression and consequently a shorter lifespan.

Your last paragraph is spot on. They’ve been used to the likes of Bake Off, Love Island, Netflix and Game of Thrones over the last few years and think that real life is like that. Lord knows how they will react when winter is indeed coming.

269649 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #401 of 1914 🔗

What I would say to this sort is, OK you have your world, but let the rest of us have ours – as it was before.

I spent most of yesterday doing things that I enjoy doing – just pottering around. I went for a walk in the most stunning gardens – a place I hadn’t been to before, it truly was balm to my soul. I encountered several unmasked, smiling, courteous people. And for a while, it was as though the horror that is 2020 wasn’t there.

I think it was Stephen Fry who said something along the lines of everything that is ugly is man-made. And the politicians sure as hell are making life ugly right now. But for a few moments yesterday, I found some respite from it all.

269678 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #402 of 1914 🔗

Agree kh. Looking for the beauty in this current madness is harder work than usual but once you find it its worth savouring.

And a reminder that life is still worth living.

269901 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to kh1485, 4, #403 of 1914 🔗

Nature is always a restorative.

269505 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #404 of 1914 🔗

Not good news for pretravel international arrangements with PCR screening. Six of Pakistan’s cricket team arriving in New Zealand positive at NZ border screening at isolation camp in NZ


269521 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to swedenborg, 7, #405 of 1914 🔗

Yes. And two of the cases are “believed to be historic”. Whatever that means. “Wow, congrats, you’ve got a really historic positive test result!”

PCR screening is a complete waste of time.

269656 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #406 of 1914 🔗

I like this one further down the tweet and not at all sinister

As always, if you are unwell, stay at home & seek advice on getting a test – you can still shop online while keeping your community safe

In 6 months it will be just stay at home forever as small businesses and society has been ruined – you can still shop online and watch Netflix.

269659 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #407 of 1914 🔗

Crazy I remember when England cricket team toured India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka there was always delhi belly or a ‘virus’ going around the touring party and I remember seeing players throwing up on the field.

269629 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #408 of 1914 🔗

Imagine getting a daily report update on 3 cases of community covid. That’s awful. NZ people must completely freak if it reaches 10. They are there for the taking. If ever Ahern wanted total power, she cna just take it now.

269506 Hubes, replying to Hubes, #409 of 1914 🔗

Trying to be positive today about this continued debacle. Here are all the reasons to stay optimistic

269544 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Hubes, 1, #410 of 1914 🔗

Sidney Powell should be bringing her case to court today.

270342 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richmond, 1, #411 of 1914 🔗

Listen to, or watch, America First with Sebastian Gorka.

270196 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Hubes, 1, #412 of 1914 🔗

Positive? You must self-isolate!


269514 Marialta, 9, #413 of 1914 🔗


Wetherspoon online Covid newspaper is really comprehensive and impressive featuring in depth sceptical articles from diverse sources.

A good one to forward to drinkers!

269531 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 4, #414 of 1914 🔗

According to this Israeli report David Salisbury (Department of Health Head of Vaccination and Immunisation 1986-2013 and Chair of the Jenner Foundation which funds Oxford Vaccine Group) is distancing himself from the Oxford vaccine:


Meanwhile, in the BMJ blog section Peter Doshi warns against the selective releases of data by Pfizer and Moderna:


and in the printed journal GP Hamish Duncan warns in letter of the dangers of a headlong rush for a vaccine, mentioning Thalidomide. The vaccine rescue scenario is unravelling just as the Prime Minister talks of the cavalry arriving. This was always the narrative, the politicians were banking on and it is not playing out. This is obviously why Starmer and Labour wanted to make discussing the vaccines illegal: they won’t bear scrutiny.

269622 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Stone, #415 of 1914 🔗

They are starting the vaccinations this month. How is this reflective of things not playing out?

269729 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #416 of 1914 🔗

I can’t see them starting a vaccination program if it hasn’t been approved by the Americans.

269735 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #417 of 1914 🔗

I’ll have a tenner with you, donated to the forum, that they don’t start vaccination in the UK this year. I just don’t think the regulator will be bullied on this because if they get it wrong it will be the biggest public health disaster the western world has ever seen, dwarfing even Thalidomide.

269762 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #418 of 1914 🔗

Next month perhaps, but the immediate question will be if the MHRA just gives a pass to these products how credible is the process? In 2006 only 10% of the population took the swine flu vaccine Pandemrix. But of course given the problem with narcolepsy things might have been an awful lot worse if uptake had been high. Meanwhile, there is great uncertainty, not held by the government, that any of these products can stop the transmission of the disease. This is a messy scenario at best.

269732 ▶▶ Will, replying to John Stone, #419 of 1914 🔗

John Stone, am I right in thinking you are a GP?

269768 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Will, #420 of 1914 🔗

No, just an experienced web commentator on vaccines.

269534 helen, replying to helen, #421 of 1914 🔗

John Hopkins News-Letter 22/11/2020

A close look at the US deaths due to Covid 19

This is a very good study of the US stats.

Perhaps this newsletter should be in LS News?

Can anyone help with this please?


269718 ▶▶ annie, replying to helen, #422 of 1914 🔗

It’s JOHNS Hopkins, not JOHN.

269830 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to annie, #423 of 1914 🔗

Have you read the article annie?

270349 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to helen, #424 of 1914 🔗

Johns Hopkins is an integral part of the Global Action Plan gang. Beware The Michael Bloomberg School for Public Health.

269536 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 16, #425 of 1914 🔗

My thought for the day:

The Enlightenment, or accumulated wisdom, isn’t a thing that exists independently. It exists only in people’s minds and must be transmitted from one mind to another. If the chain of transmission breaks, it disappears. So, if a society becomes complacent and forgets to pass its accumulated wisdom on to younger generations, the wisdom dies with the old people. And we are back to square one: superstition, witch trials, serfdom, slavery.

269563 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #426 of 1914 🔗

Yes, it’s a new Dark Age.

269590 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Julian, 1, #427 of 1914 🔗

Yes, technological ‘progress’ doesn’t mean we haven’t gone backwards in other, more important, ways.

269769 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #428 of 1914 🔗

And in order to maximise technological progress and harness it, freedom is required – economic and scientific.

269551 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 3, #429 of 1914 🔗

Comments from MPs such as wanting evidence restrictions save more lives, need to analyse more closely the definition of ‘saving lives’. Average age of mortality for CV19 is 82, and we all know the demographics. For the majority it would seem therefore it is not saving a life but extending the time of death. This is not meant to sound heartless, but a reality of life that often when extremely weakened a normsl virus, chest infection etc., can be enough to speed up the inevitable.

269565 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nsklent, 3, #430 of 1914 🔗

Asking for evidence just puts more power in the hands of “the science” imo. How can anyone evidence changes to society like this? It will take generations.

269602 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #431 of 1914 🔗

Yes. ‘Evidence’ can be found to support any cause you like. There is a higher form of reasoning that people are forgetting: rationalism. It should be possible to argue against lockdowns and all the other gestures without grubbing around for dubious, manipulated statistics. Empiricism is being elevated beyond its validity.

269643 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #432 of 1914 🔗

I think it is now at the point where the evidence is irrelevant, because you cannot use it in any shape and form to convince Doris, Handsy and Co to change their minds. What is needed is action – removal of Doris – and a new set of people to run things. The CRG knows this, but suspect too many of them are cowards – let’s see.

269790 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #433 of 1914 🔗

I agree. I think unpopularity is the thing that will move Boris, not facts. People shouting loud will worry him.

269586 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nsklent, 12, #434 of 1914 🔗

‘Save lives’ long since became an utterly meaningless mantra. According to the cretinous notices festooning Tenby, I ‘save lives’ every time I don’t pass within six feet of another person. I must have saved the whole town several times over by now.

269552 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #435 of 1914 🔗

BBC R4 Today Programme
Robert Jenryk, Communities Secretary

“If we can keep the tiers robust . . . for the last few months before we roll out the vaccines”

Few months Robert ?

269562 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 7, #436 of 1914 🔗

But they’ve already said that even if their vaccines are rolled out, that won’t make any difference to the mask-wearing and anti-hugging edicts. Behaviour is to be permanently changed. Why is he allowed to get away with lying like that? Oh, sorry… BBC R4, didn’t see that.

269591 ▶▶ Gareth, replying to karenovirus, 5, #438 of 1914 🔗

He’s talking to JHB on TalkRadio at the moment. He spouts utter bollocks, as he did in his last interview with JHB.

269935 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, 1, #439 of 1914 🔗

This is about the prevention of riots next year.

269564 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 8, #440 of 1914 🔗

Tier 3 but in a small act of rebellion have booked a couple of meals in neighbouring Tier 2 pubs and hope to find a hotel for a couple of days away, think there’s a Wetherspoons hotel in Ripon. Of course I have been slated as Typhoid Mary by the online sheepflake community who go on about how we have so much to learn from Singapore. These are former lefties with acute Stockholm Syndrome.

269575 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #441 of 1914 🔗

Good idea I live nr keighley will be spending 1 day a week walking round ripon and then a pint and a meal maybe skipton will be ok as its n yorks

269579 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #442 of 1914 🔗

Ignore the SS sheeples. Have a great evening

269566 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #443 of 1914 🔗

There are obvious downsides to all of this

However in a odd sort of way I’m looking forward to 6 months of the lockdown zealots being punished.

I’m looking forward to watching them beg for even more punishment before they are finally dispatched by a dud vaccine

269763 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, #444 of 1914 🔗

‘obvious downsides to all of this’
<weeps with mirth>

269570 calchas, replying to calchas, 11, #445 of 1914 🔗

The ultimate totalitarian power is the power to make people forget their own inner voice. The ultimate tool against evil is to listen to that voice and to not be afraid of the supposed consequences.
The question of the facade of power is about to become the defining question of our epoch as the elitist establishment accelerates their agenda for greater centralized control of our lives. The truth they do not want you to understand is that they have no power. They have nothing. We could defy their mandates anytime we wish. We could do away with them tomorrow if we wanted. They are of no use to humanity, they serve no valuable purpose. They only seek to feed like vampires on the masses and fulfill their deranged fantasies of conquest. Sooner or later they will have to be dealt with – The sooner the better.”


269612 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 6, #446 of 1914 🔗

That’s it. It reminds me of stress. It creeps up on you and only when you hit the wal you realise that it can all go away and it is you who can do it. It’s actually very simple in the end. Let it go.

269571 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, -2, #447 of 1914 🔗

I was hoping to see someone who thanks to Covid-19 has been out of reach for 9 months, we thought it would be possible for us to meet this month. Thanks to the ludicrous bubbles rules, we still can’t get together. It is beyond frustrating.

269573 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Gladiatrix, 6, #448 of 1914 🔗


You mean ‘tyrannical’.

269624 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to calchas, 1, #449 of 1914 🔗

Exactly. I use the word ‘tyranny’ whenever someone refers to the current crapfest as being “interesting”.

269587 ▶▶ Will, replying to Gladiatrix, 8, #450 of 1914 🔗

Then ignore the stupid rules and see them.

269594 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Gladiatrix, 6, #451 of 1914 🔗

Pretend that you’re back at school and there’s a “stoopid rool” stopping you playing with your mates. Would you accede or play?
Sneak under the wire and go and meet your friend!

269630 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Gladiatrix, 6, #452 of 1914 🔗

Just ignore the rules. It’s the morally correct thing to do.

269637 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Gladiatrix, 8, #453 of 1914 🔗

Ignore! Your mental wellbeing is more important

269734 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to Gladiatrix, 5, #454 of 1914 🔗

With the greatest respect, if you intend not to meet your friend because Boris tells you that you can’t, then you are on the wrong website!!! Do what you know is morally right – meet your friend!

269786 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Gladiatrix, 4, #455 of 1914 🔗

So here’s what I do. I grab my toolbag put on a flat cap and visit my mates and the curtain twitchers think I am doing work round my mates house.

269914 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #456 of 1914 🔗

It would be the flat cap that would give you away…

270918 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to David Grimbleby, #457 of 1914 🔗

Damn, do you think a bowler or cap on backwards. I do try and wear Jean’s showing as much ass crack as I can

269793 ▶▶ steph, replying to Gladiatrix, 5, #458 of 1914 🔗

Is it because your friend won’t break the rules? Because if they will then so should you. There really is no excuse for collaborating and then coming here and complaining about it. Apologies if that seems harsh but the time has come to act like free born humans. In fact it’s long passed.

270057 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Gladiatrix, 2, #459 of 1914 🔗

But you can meet. There are exemptions in all the tiers. You must be able to find one in this lot:

Exemptions from gatherings limits in all tiers

  • as part of a single household, or a support bubble
  • for work or providing voluntary or charitable services, including in other people’s homes
  • for childcare, education or training – meaning education and training provided as part of a formal curriculum
  • for supervised activities provided for children, including wraparound care (before and after-school childcare), groups and activities for under 18s, and children’s playgroups
  • for formal support groups, and parent and child groups – up to 15 people aged 5 and older
  • to allow contact between birth parents and children in care, as well as between siblings in care
  • for arrangements where children do not live in the same household as both their parents or guardians
  • for prospective adopting parents to meet a child or children who may be placed with them
  • for birth partners
  • to attend a funeral – with no more than 30 people present – or a commemorative event such as a wake for someone who has died – with no more than 15 people present
  • to see someone who is terminally ill or at the end of life
  • to attend a wedding or civil partnership – with no more than 15 people present
  • to provide emergency assistance
  • to avoid injury or illness, or to escape a risk of harm
  • to fulfil a legal obligation, such as attending court or jury service
  • to provide care or assistance to someone vulnerable or to provide respite for a carer
  • to facilitate moving home

To avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm is elsewhere explained as including mental health crises.

If your friend is housebound, or if you are, then the other is going round to clean, do the washing, etc for a vulnerable person.

There are perfectly legal ways round all of this nonsense. You just need to look for them. Not that I agree with any of it, of course.

270205 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Gladiatrix, #460 of 1914 🔗

Watch this, then decide which side you’re on.


269572 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 3, #461 of 1914 🔗

Emasculated, spaced-out and irrelevant like the Parliament in which he sits, Starmer the Trilateralist will do nothing to pull Borisian chestnuts out of the fire either by supporting him or opposing him, or both. Far too much intellectual effort for Woodentop.

As for the CRG Tory trough-feeding rebel wets, their salami-slicing of lockdown, instead of pressing for its total abolition, is only to be expected from a gang of ex-Brexiters.

269608 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Stuart, 3, #462 of 1914 🔗

Yeah the CRG need to show some teet. Too many false dawns.

As for Starmer and Labour the fact they vote en masse to see through every single measure is a disgrace. No principles, just focused on the next election.

269634 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #463 of 1914 🔗

Yeah the CRG need to show some teet

I hope you mean “teeth”! 🙂

270350 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stuart, #464 of 1914 🔗

Starmer is a Trilateralist? Is Boris?

269574 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 23, #465 of 1914 🔗

Am I the only one feeling a bit better today? I know that everyone should be arguing to be in Tier 0, rather than which tier they are in, but the mere fact so many people are angry about their tier means that more and more people are starting to question the narrative. And starting to look behind the headlines. That can only be a good thing for us?

269578 ▶▶ annie, replying to kenadams, 6, #466 of 1914 🔗

Just feeling good us good, Ken, whatever the reason!
Smile, feel good, enjoy things, it’s a poke in the eye for THEM.

269583 ▶▶ Will, replying to kenadams, 5, #467 of 1914 🔗

Managed to share a few nuggets this morning… it has to be subtle but a few carefully shared articles go a long way.

269585 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #468 of 1914 🔗

“Eat Christmas dinner with the windows open”, says Jenrick.

“Clean your teeth in the dark” I seem to remember was the advice given by a minister in the 80s for how to deal with power cuts. It cost him his political career, but Jenrick will be fine. One third of the country will think “Oh, what a Sensible and Prudent idea”. Another third will think “Oh, if we do this people will see how Good we are.” And the third third will think “@!^%#@^*!$*%*^@%%**” and ignore him. He can’t lose.

269627 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #469 of 1914 🔗

My son saw him being interviewed in the street a couple of weeks ago. Verdict – he should go without a few lunches and dinners!

269682 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #470 of 1914 🔗

Ahh lovely.

What about all the subsidised government grants to insulate our homes better.

Granny might catch her death in such a cold room

269593 Dan Clarke, #471 of 1914 🔗

It was always a surprise that more people didnt smell a rat after Event 201 and then by a huge coincidence, it happened!. Covid is now for for the mentally challenged.

269596 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #472 of 1914 🔗

Average age of coronavirus related death is 82.4.
Life expectancy is 81.

The risk of dying with the coronavirus mirrors exactly the risk of dying even if the virus did not exist.

The virus is having zero effect on mortality. And that is the case even taking the obviously inflated figures at face value.

269600 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #473 of 1914 🔗

But without masks and inflicting depression on a national scale, it would have been worse.

269636 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #474 of 1914 🔗

This year there were fewer deaths than the five yearly average before the lockdown measures were introduced. After the lockdown there were more deaths than the five yearly average. Tens of thousands of these were not coronavirus related, even taking the official figures at face value. Moreover, the regime adopted as the lockdown for care homes is certainly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, many of which have been labelled as coronavirus deaths.

269603 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 16, #475 of 1914 🔗

“More granular differentiation between tiers, so, for instance, the whole of Kent doesn’t have to be plunged into Tier 3 because there are over 500 cases per 100,000 people in Swale, even though there are only 120/100,000 in Ashford.”
Noooooo Toby 😱 😤 😫
You can’t publish a piece completely decimating the bonkers PCR testing regime and simultaneously advocate for a system that just locks down areas based on it!
I am pleased that more areas of the country are finally waking up to this shamdemic but I worry it’s more NIMBYism than genuine skepticism. Too many people want others to suffer with pointless “rules” so that they can be free. That’s not fair, logical nor practical.
We need herd immunity, not these cultish mass-hysteria induced rituals that imply the virus will somehow “go away” in lovely clean Ashford if only those pesky Covidiots in Swale wear their muzzles properly 🤦🏻‍♀️
As the lateral flow testing indicated, even Liverpool wasn’t actually suffering a health crisis. ALL lockdowns are bad and nowhere should be in Tier anything! GBD all the way.

269623 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #476 of 1914 🔗

This is the thing that most annoys me about this website. They still, every day, refer to ‘cases’ as if they are ‘infections’. And play their game by thinking it can be used as a basis for policy making and decision taking.

269653 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to kenadams, 1, #477 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely Ken. I have my theory that it’s rooted in the last unaddressed prejudice we have in the UK…class. Yes I’m sure that socio-economic factors have a huge impact on actual covid infections/deaths, but whatever the solution is to that it’s definitely not current policies.

269674 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to kenadams, 3, #478 of 1914 🔗

We have to couch our arguments with phrases they understand and will accept. It is why talking about Herd immunity and bed wetters is unhelpful. We don’t want to replicate the Remoaners trying to persuade Leavers to change their opinion by telling them they are thick.

269683 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Will, #479 of 1914 🔗

ok, fair point. Or Hiliary calling half of America ‘irredeemably deplorable’ which was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Trump campaign! But the ‘cases’ vs ‘infections’ thing really goes to the heart of all this and needs to be torn apart.

269717 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to kenadams, 1, #480 of 1914 🔗

I could not agree with you more, posted the PCR piece on Facebook this morning and had a very productive discussion with a friend of a friend about PCR and LFT.

269697 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, 1, #481 of 1914 🔗

Of course we should not tell our opponents that they are thick. But if we concede they have a point where they have none, if we state that the irrational is reasonable in order to placate them, we achieve only this:
1) we insult the intelligence of people who deserve to hear serious argument;
2) we compromise the sense of our own position;
3) we create a situation in which Bojo can spin out a tweaked lockdown for ever while claiming to be listening to Lockdown Sceptics.

269628 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #482 of 1914 🔗

Correct, no PCR tests, no lockdown, no scamdemic. Normal flu season.

269702 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to stefarm, 9, #483 of 1914 🔗

and how could we have the Great Reset then ?
We couldn’t.
Which is why they need all the PCR tests and the false positives and the exaggerated deaths.

269743 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to 6097 Smith W, 4, #484 of 1914 🔗

It’s so hard to know how deep to pitch your skepticism material… (I personally prefer the idea that the Gov/media are stupid and stubborn rather than evil. And I don’t buy into the Bill Gates stuff although I think we underestimate how manipulative China might’ve been.) My point is though…going full-out conspiracy theory turns more people off than on. May as well tell them the earth is flat too at the same time.
Questioning PCR tests is a good place to start, especially if someone did Maths/stats A Level as Bayesian Theory is accessible (and actually pretty fun/fascinating!)

269605 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 2, #485 of 1914 🔗

The excess deaths from COVID this year to date are no more than 13,300, probably far less. That’s under 2.6%

The institute and faculty of actuaries are significantly overstating the excess death rate. The number of over 70s in England increased from 6,387,380 in 2013 to an ONS-estimated 7,712,846 in 2020, an increase of 20.75%.

Adjusting the death rate by the number of 70 year olds in the population (see my table on yesterday’s posts) gives an average number of deaths in England and Wales of 516,592 to week 46 for each of the years 2013-2020. Deaths this year were 529,928 to week 46, an excess of 13,336 or 2.58%.

A large number of these excess deaths are clearly from people not attending hospitals as they have been scared witless – emergency procedures are down nearly 50% for most of the year since April.

So that leaves very few accounted for by COVID.

269652 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Laurence, 2, #486 of 1914 🔗

I would say it is probably 10 % of that now having seen how flu wasn’t tested for. As the evidence paper showed for flu and Covid cases, 96% of patients were labelled as not having flu NOT by testing negative but by not being tested at all.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

269606 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #487 of 1914 🔗


This will have a major impact on the lockdown in Scotland. Yet, this time last year, it may have made the news, but it would just be a flu outbreak.

269631 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #488 of 1914 🔗

This would never have made the news. There were 50,100 excess deaths in the winter of 2017-8 (apparently because it was a bit colder than usual) and I don’t remember that do you?
(Sorry if that sounds argumentative! I do agree with you).

269641 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #489 of 1914 🔗

You do not remember “The Beast from the East”? The corporate media made it sound like Putin had sent the cold weather as an attack on our way of life.

269679 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #490 of 1914 🔗

Aaaahhh…The beast from the east, I remember that well. The mass hysteria over a bit of snow. Seems tame now compared to the scaremongering now eh?

269841 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #491 of 1914 🔗

I remember the beast.

Was a bit snowy, so Nik-Sturge-on declared a Red Emergency. Get off the roads, stay home.

I was driving down the M8/M74 to recross the border.
All the huge, expensive signs, which could have eg. eg, warned of detailed road conditions, carried a message, ‘Red Alert, do not travel, go home’.

So I ignored them.

269644 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #492 of 1914 🔗

This is important because any penalties or arrests made on the threat of causing harm from Covid needs to sufficiently exceed the bar set by respiratory viruses in general.

As some businesses are realising, proof of direct harm is needed, as per HSE – severe and imminent threat (hat tip to Awkward Git)

No one I believe has ever been charged with causing an outbreak of the flu even though it kills thousands every winter. And Covid has caused less harm than flu even if we believe the figures.

Of course the flu that has been with us since we crawled onto four legs has suddenly been eradicated.

We should run a few lines from William of Occam’s grave. Might power a small town with all that spinning

269675 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #493 of 1914 🔗

No, I don’t think that you are being argumentative at all, so don’t apologise, it’s all good.
I agree with you.

269610 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 27, #494 of 1914 🔗

Arguing about which tier we are in. It’s a bit like arguing about which shed in the concentration camp we are in.

269655 ▶▶ Will, replying to Eddy, 5, #495 of 1914 🔗

It is but we have to start somewhere and remember the Mark Twain quote about fooling people..

269611 Gareth, replying to Gareth, 35, #496 of 1914 🔗

JHB “I just want to bang my head on the table” & “I’m going to need therapy after this” following her interview with Robert Jenrick. Julia, we feel the same. He is such an idiot.

269754 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Gareth, 4, #497 of 1914 🔗

I couldn’t listen – turned the Jenrick turd off with sanctimonious patronising twaddle. How on earth can people swallow all this bull – oooh it’s just a few months before blah blah. We’ve had this for 9 months and will probably for years to come – sorry I’m feeling very emotionally balanced or grown up today!

269615 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 44, #498 of 1914 🔗

Hartley Brewer just SHREDDED Jenrick on the timing of mass testing and positive test fall in Liverpool.

He basically was reduced to saying he took what SAGE told him ahead of looking at the actual data.

He was trashed (again).

269646 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bill h, 20, #499 of 1914 🔗

Apparently, when government ministers say they are “following the science”, they mean they are acting in accordance with an opinion expressed by one of their hand-picked experts – nothing to do with actual empirical science, or even evidence.

269651 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #500 of 1914 🔗

Hand picked “corrupt”experts..

269662 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #501 of 1914 🔗

In other words reading a script

269667 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #502 of 1914 🔗

And trying to avoid blame.

269688 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bill h, 3, #503 of 1914 🔗

Uh, Lisa, the whole reason we have elected officials is so we don’t have to think all the time. Just like that rainforest scare a few years back: our officials saw there was a problem and they fixed it, didn’t they?

~ Homer Simpson

269821 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Bill h, 1, #504 of 1914 🔗

He was totally trashed by her, he knows it, and yet he also knows it won’t matter.

270045 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bill h, 1, #505 of 1914 🔗

I read a comment saying she’s been promoting the vaccines. So maybe she’s controlled opposition? I dunno

270229 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ben, 2, #506 of 1914 🔗

She was all in favour of the lockdown. She has recently come to the view that it is somewhat disproportionate and the evidence base is questionable. However, she remains in favour of social distancing rules, mandatory face mask wearing and vaccines that no one can know are either safe or effective.

269616 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 40, #507 of 1914 🔗

The reaction to Tiers confirms what I have been saying for ages: people support lockdown for other people, not themselves.

269619 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Recusant, 15, #508 of 1914 🔗

Quite so. Bit like Green issues!

269621 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Recusant, 2, #509 of 1914 🔗


270037 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #510 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely. I know of a family who are pro-lockdown but who break the rules constantly. Anyone who questions the Government’s lockdown rules is a David Icke fan. They are the most annoying, simpleton hypocrites imaginable, since they are helping to destroy everyone’s lives

269711 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Recusant, 15, #511 of 1914 🔗

All the people I know who are in favour of the (ever changing) lockdown measures have consistently broke the rules. They have also equally consistently condemned other people for breaking the rules and blamed them for the restrictions. And all this has been done and said with an air of superiority.

269635 Cecil B, 6, #512 of 1914 🔗

Spanners to the left of them
Spanners to the right of them
Spanners in front of them
Into the valley of death rode the lockdown sceptics

269638 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #513 of 1914 🔗

Mr Johnson seems to be an Anti-Panglossian and theretofore is basing his decisions on imagining the worst of all possible outcomes in the worst of all possible worlds.

Heard one of his ministers on the radio an hour ago talking about wanting to flatten the curves or even getting ’em to go down. Hasn’t he noticed this was already happening even before the lockdown could have had an impact?

269648 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #514 of 1914 🔗

Excuse me! It was the Pangolissians wot got the blame last time

It was actually the bats wot dun it

Your spouting Pangolissian hate speech

269639 Eddy, 19, #515 of 1914 🔗

There is a tiny number of people running this shit show. There are 65 million people being manipulated in the UK

None of it would be possible without the propaganda machine which is the MSM. Just like in the USA they support evil. Follow the money.

269642 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, #516 of 1914 🔗

There’s been a lot of talk recently about Universal Basic Income. They’re even trialing it in a few areas in Scotland I believe. As with anything there are arguments for and against it.

One in particular that I want to focus on and seems logical to me is that it could reduce incidences of petty crime. The theory being that with money to live on people will be less inclined to do desperate things. This makes sense to me but would it really work out this way in reality? That’s a question for another time.

If this logic is correct then think about what is likely to happen in the coming months/years where millions more people will find themselves out of work and possibly means to provide for themselves or their families. I highly doubt that Universal Credit will be enough for many.

269650 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #517 of 1914 🔗

I get the impression the long game is everyone is on social credit, but I guess as you say, there won’t be e light money so we will get paid notionally so we can get the basics. Or maybe we will get food drops.

269654 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #518 of 1914 🔗

Sorry typos. Cold hands. Meant to say enough money.

And this is the long goals for the reset I hear.

270366 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Country Mumkin, #519 of 1914 🔗

Drone delivered take-out.

269658 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #520 of 1914 🔗

That’s the plan. When you rely on the state you are a slave to them.

269677 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #521 of 1914 🔗

The coming 4th industrial revolution is going to destroy so many jobs that something of this kind will be inevitable.

269693 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #522 of 1914 🔗

I’m not sure it would reduce incidences of petty crime. I’m no expert on behaviour, but I think creating a large number of idle people may increase crime, people need productive things to do. It seem to me that eliminating the need to ‘hunt’ for a living would be interfering with the most basic instinct, which could prove unpredictable.

269739 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #523 of 1914 🔗

I think the idea is any disobedience is met with withdrawal of subsistence. The state own you.

269807 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to JHuntz, 3, #524 of 1914 🔗

And that creates a massive black market in anything from commodities to people. It seems every few decades someone decides they’re the smart ones who got the answer to how to “fix” humanity, that the world has moved on an now is the time etc.

This is always – always – swiftly followed by utter devastation and destruction and massive loss of life.

It will happen again this time because what these idiots overlook time and time and time again is the unchanging and immutable nature of the human animal. We are just not very nice; and never will be.

It will end horrifically and not at all in the way planned. That is the only prediction that one can be 100% confident of.

269797 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #525 of 1914 🔗

I’ve for a long time been struck with how similar universal credit and universal basic income sound. Perhaps UBI was always the plan.

I wish I lived in the 1950’s and 60’s.. when men more easily provided.

269819 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Nobody2020, #526 of 1914 🔗

May as well go the whole hog and just give everyone a platinum Amex with the Government paying the bill.

269647 Country Mumkin, 14, #527 of 1914 🔗

From the field:

Halfords in my local city not one wearing a mask I could see and all very relaxed.

Cafe Nero in local city… chatting about next weeks rules. I said I know I mm supposed to only come with my household but I have a business meeting scheduled and we planned to do in a cafe. She said that was fine!

269663 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 33, #528 of 1914 🔗

Feeling disheartened today.

At this point, I really feel like the numbers are irrelevant. Lockdowners don’t WANT to know that the survival rate for the virus for most people is >99.9%. They also don’t care that hospitalisations and excess deaths are being dramatically overstated. Recent mask trial shows that they are essentially ineffective and pointless? Not bothered!

As proven by the recent Daily Mail article, a mainstream media publication can unquestionably demonstrate that the government are inflating the figures, and they will close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and say ‘la la not listening.’

The government itself also clearly doesn’t give two shits about keeping up the facade anymore, as evidenced by their ridiculous and arbitrary tier allocation system. It’s clear as day that this isn’t about the virus anymore. Why won’t people open their eyes!

269665 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Chloe, 19, #529 of 1914 🔗

Once you realise it’s all a HOAX the numbers are totally irrelevant.

269684 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Chloe, 14, #530 of 1914 🔗

‘Why won’t people open their eyes!’

Because it’s easier to keep them closed. 80% of the nation’s population are hard of thinking Chloe.

269713 ▶▶ annie, replying to Chloe, 12, #531 of 1914 🔗

Lockdowners are the most utterly selfish people on this earth. To the devil with everybody and everything else, it’s all ME SAFE, ME ME ME.

269741 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to annie, 10, #532 of 1914 🔗

Unless they have a “genuine” reason to break lockdown and then it’s just a little nervous giggle and shrug because they are special.

269764 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Chloe, 5, #533 of 1914 🔗

agree chloe – very disheartened by all this and lack of liberties enforced on us. I just don’t see an end as boris and his chums don’t listen and don’t see what it’s doing to the country, business and people in the street. Honestly hoping to move abroad next year if we’re allowed to by the stasi…

269668 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 23, #534 of 1914 🔗

Regarding the NHS:

A friend told me that some departments are having real trouble meeting list deadlines now as so many staff are off or isolating due to the Covid rules. These include specialist treatments for people with cancer.

So what we are seeing is a logisitics crisis caused by voodoo rather than by science.

The people and resources are all there. They are being made to stay away by stupid rules.

269699 ▶▶ petgor, replying to mhcp, 7, #535 of 1914 🔗

Euthanasia has arrived and it has official support. That much is clear.

269714 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to mhcp, 13, #536 of 1914 🔗

Directly from a friend who is a HR Manager in a large hospital…a significant number of these staff are also people who deem themselves “vulnerable” and are exploiting the situation to get time off on full pay (and ultimately be redeployed to an easier job on the same pay, unless they are eventually dismissed for not being fit to work).

There is a member of admin staff for example who refuses to work because they think they’re vulnerable even though GP wouldn’t issue a shielding letter. They were too thick to be deemed able to do any meaningful work from home so have been on full pay since for doing nothing. The only proviso was they didn’t tell any of their colleagues so not to cause upset (this was a Director decision not my friend who was furious about it!)

269761 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #537 of 1914 🔗

Yep that’s the NHS through and through. That member of staff should be at home on no pay. NHS ethos Why work when you can be off on full pay for months and months.

269796 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #538 of 1914 🔗

Could you imagine what the old school matrons would have done to these snowflakes.

269803 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #539 of 1914 🔗

How lovely for these exploiters.

They clapped for them.
They get discounts at supermarkets.
They get MBEs

all whilst people do not get proper care at hospitals and the economy bleeds dry

269669 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 22, #540 of 1914 🔗

If that’s the best the CRG can do then they might as well not bother. Bleating about who’s on what tier is fiddling while Rome burns.

269706 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to mattghg, 4, #541 of 1914 🔗

They’re all happy with restrictions on other people but not their own.

269725 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 4, #542 of 1914 🔗

Maybe, but the way I see it that’s not the point. The point is that the Tier 1 restrictions are unacceptable.

269671 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #543 of 1914 🔗

There was a website link posted on here this morning looking for help in coordinating and delivering leaflets across the country,I can’t bloody well find it now …

269700 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #544 of 1914 🔗

Is this the one:

If you feel impotent and want to DO SOMETHING to stop this madness, why not check out “Back to Normal” We are a rapidly growing grassroots group delivering leaflets to the public outlining an alternative approach to Covid-19.

We have produced a free leaflet which can double as a window or car sticker and is easy to post door to door or hand out in the street (when not in lockdown). This is something every lockdown sceptic can do. Leaflets produced to date number 60,000 already and demand is growing.
It all works through a nationwide network, consisting essentially of ordinary citizens, alone or in groups of friends. We are gaining numbers daily. It’s one that we can do something to roll back the tide of lies and manipulation. Also you have the opportunity to meet likeminded sceptics and find someone sane to talk to!

269709 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to kh1485, 1, #545 of 1914 🔗

Thank you I appreciate your time,I will register my interest and start spreading the word, once again thank you..

269740 ▶▶▶ PaulC, replying to kh1485, 2, #546 of 1914 🔗

Have been delivering in my local mixed housing area. So far have seen none of the leaflets displayed so think we have much further to go to start changing minds. Was not prepared when a couple came out of their house and shouted ‘You’re a fraud. Get off my land’.!

269681 chaos, 2, #547 of 1914 🔗

Grownups in cat whiskers and spiderman masks…

269689 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 13, #548 of 1914 🔗

Ive written to the chief coroner today to ask for the number of autopsies performed this year and the past five years for a comparison. I am very sure that the total this year will be way off normal, all in the name of staying safe whilst realistic and important information on the current pandemic is lost. It will help to expose another area of this sham.Every day that passes leaves me more and more angry with this fucking useless government and its willing collaborators in the NHS (or is that the wrong way around 🙂 )

270392 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Iansn, #549 of 1914 🔗

They have replied saying safely received and it is in progress!

269692 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #550 of 1914 🔗

Robert Jenrick, the Housing Secretary, told Julia Hartley Brewer this morning that the government’s coronavirus responses are not political, but are a purely public health matter. One has to wonder if he even listens to himself?

270371 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, #551 of 1914 🔗

Is that supposed to make us feel better?

269694 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #552 of 1914 🔗

Our new neighbour stopped and told me that he was going to be tested(like,”I really wanted to know that”) because he felt “rough”.
No, I wasn’t impressed either.

269728 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #553 of 1914 🔗

I’ve felt a bit under this week. Better today mind.

There has to be some element of thinking yourself into Covid and subsequent Long Covid. Hypochondriacs everywhere

269787 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #554 of 1914 🔗

Covid and covid paranoia must be incredibly offensive and frustrating to people who are actually ill.

269945 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to BeBopRockSteady, #555 of 1914 🔗


269750 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #556 of 1914 🔗

I got a mild cold this week. I did what I always do – had a lemsip and got on with it. I feel completely fine now.

269949 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kenadams, #557 of 1914 🔗

“No brainer” for us sceptics

269813 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #558 of 1914 🔗

Did he have too much of the falling over water the previous night?

269952 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to arfurmo, #559 of 1914 🔗


269696 Will, 6, #560 of 1914 🔗

Has anyone heard Whitty asked whether he still thinks over 90% of the population are susceptible to the Virus? The same applies to Ferguson. Maybe JHB could pose that question to everyone she interviews who is representing the government’s position.

269698 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 8, #561 of 1914 🔗

Wrote to our MP and sent Dr Clare Criag’s questions to him. Please see the reply someone from his office made! Our response to this is below. Is there any hope?

Thank you for contacting me about the Government’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.
Research on the origins and immunological response to coronavirus is occurring at pace and I am encouraged by recent reports which highlight potential pre-existing T-cell immunity amongst some people in our community. Early studies have indicated that T-cells may remember some common cold coronaviruses which are closely related to Covid-19. As a consequence, it has been suggested that substantial T-cell reactivity exists in many unexposed people.
Although I am encouraged by this research, it is important to remember that these studies are small and do not yet provide authoritative estimates of pre-existing immunity within the community. Nevertheless, Ministers are taking this seriously and have established a Coronavirus Immunology Consortium, backed by £6.5 million of Government funding. The consortium will consider key questions surrounding Covid-19 immunity and will invest significant resources into T-cell research.
In the case of COVID-19, infection is most commonly detected by using a reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR); a test that detects viral genetic material. PCR tests are used to directly detect the presence of an antigen, rather than the presence of the body’s immune response, or antibodies. That is only possible if the virus is there and someone is actively infected. By detecting viral RNA, which will be present in the body before antibodies form or symptoms of the disease are present, the tests can tell whether or not someone has the virus very early on. By scaling PCR testing to screen vast amounts of samples from within a population, public health officials can get a clearer picture of the spread of a disease like Covid-19 within a population.
Preliminary estimates for the current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK could be somewhere between 0.8 per cent and 4.0 per cent. The tests are also understood to produce false negatives in between 2 and 29 per cent of cases.
I know that scientists and researchers in this area will continue to work to maximise accuracy, and ensure that data reflects that some results may not be correct. However, I would also underline that these tests have been rigorously tested themselves before being approved for use, and they are a vital source of data as we continue to work to combat this virus.
I agree that it is important that we act on the latest data available to ensure that the most appropriate actions are taken at the most appropriate time. I know my colleagues throughout the Government agree with this principle, and are working with researchers, scientific advisers, and data teams to ensure that they have access to information as quickly as possible. I also welcome that the Government is continuing to make data publicly available.
I fully recognise concerns expressed by constituents and I will continue to follow this issue closely.


Thank you for your reply, which came on the day our area was moved from Tier 1 into Tier 2. So we must conclude that the last three weeks of ‘Lockdown’ has not been such a success! When will anyone start to challenge the value of ‘Lockdowns’?

We note you do not really try and address the issues raised by Dr Craig. We are staggered that after all the recent research you still put your faith in the PCR test as a reliable indicator of genuine infections. You must be aware it was never designed for this.

After yesterday we can only conclude that the Conservative Party under its present leadership has a death wish.

Yours sincerely,

269701 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to PaulC, 6, #562 of 1914 🔗

Thanks for that Paul. It is amusing that they present T cell immunity as if it has only just been discovered and of course ignore most of the important questions.

269720 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PaulC, 2, #563 of 1914 🔗

‘at pace’ bullshit bingo

269957 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PaulC, #564 of 1914 🔗

Well, at least you got what might be termed a ‘reply’.

But the garbage on PCR testing is remarkable in its perpetuation of inaccuracy.

269703 Fingerache Philip., 7, #565 of 1914 🔗

Has this government got a death wish?, Oh, silly me!, it’s the sheep and the collaborators who’ve got that.
Problem is,that, they’re wishing it on the rest of us.

269705 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 4, #566 of 1914 🔗

From the AIER article on the Johns Hopkins study showing misclassification of deaths: “ There have been over 262,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in the United States, yet total deaths have not increased in any alarming capacity; they have only mirrored existing trends. In short, according to 6 years of data collected by the CDC, Covid-19 has not led to any significant increase in deaths.”

However every other commentary seems to suggest there have indeed been 200k+ excess deaths this year (including on the CDC website). Am I missing something?

269719 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Adamb, #567 of 1914 🔗

There is a 2% rise every year, is that included?

269723 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Adamb, 3, #568 of 1914 🔗

If you read the piece by Genevieve Briand referred to above, her investigation into all-death mortality shows that certain illnesses like heart disease are showing way lower deaths than usual in 2020. Suggesting that they are actually being put down as Covid deaths, much as in the UK i guess.

269748 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to maggie may, 1, #569 of 1914 🔗

Yes that makes complete sense to me, it’s the disparity in assessment of total excess deaths I can’t get my head around.

269721 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #570 of 1914 🔗


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269746 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Victoria, 12, #571 of 1914 🔗

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269784 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to kenadams, 6, #572 of 1914 🔗

Proton is great. Far fewer restrictions than hush for free accounts. Duckduck is good as is startpage which uses google.

270376 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, #573 of 1914 🔗

How much does Google use Startpage?

270030 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 3, #574 of 1914 🔗

Tutanota is also very good. They offer free email accounts too

269724 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #575 of 1914 🔗

In Scotland, The dentist wanker has spoken…


Unbelievable! I am now offering dental advice to anyone on here, I am not in anyway a dentist, but if a dentist can advise on thing’s he knows Fuckall about, then so can I.


269808 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #576 of 1914 🔗

I think he has been on the laughing gas. MSM a mouthpiece for press releases that make no sense.

269810 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #577 of 1914 🔗

I’m willing to try to see the other side of the argument but how does “ The risk is things that you share, so big spoons that you share with each other are out, so the big shared buffet is out.” work? Are they suggesting that you eat a potato directly from a spoon?

269881 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to arfurmo, 1, #578 of 1914 🔗

Presumably, it is the handle of the spoon being touched that is the issue.

270200 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jb12, 1, #579 of 1914 🔗

Yes, the end the potatoes are on is fine.

Covid germ: “Quick lads; she’s handing over the spoon, let’s get her!”

269833 ▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #580 of 1914 🔗

At least he has become dimly conscious that his obsession with lethal roast potatoes is a bit manky:

“It is difficult to find the balance, I use the roast potato analogy, those potatoes are not your risk. The risk is things that you share, so big spoons that you share with each other are out, so the big shared buffet is out.”

Sharing anything is, of course, a crime. A crime also known as generosity.
The definition of a Scotsman used to be ‘a Jew with all the generosity taken out’.
(Apologies to Jewish readers.)
The Mad Fang Doctor must be an archetypal Scot.

269917 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #581 of 1914 🔗

It’s no wonder a lot of people overestimate the actual risk when the people leading the charge make it sound like it’s definitely going to happen to them.

269731 Major Panic, 5, #582 of 1914 🔗

During the months the NPHS became a covid only service, and therefore almost empty, huge backlogs of untreated non-covid victims patients obviously built up.

Why not ask Sweden to help us treat our medical backlog with any spare capacity they may have because they did not panic in the face of poor science and incompetent political leadership?

(P – Poor)

269736 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #583 of 1914 🔗

4pm this afternoon would be good timing for the Court of Appeal to pull the plug on this shit show

269738 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cecil B, 6, #584 of 1914 🔗

Sadly I expect it to make no difference.

269745 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 6, #585 of 1914 🔗

The virus has been genius, I wonder what the elites next trick is. You have to admire them organised and clear in their psychopathy.

270380 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JHuntz, #586 of 1914 🔗

The virus droplets can remain suspended in the air. For how long?

270406 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to richard riewer, #587 of 1914 🔗

think of a number, then put your finger in the air and you will find out. this can only happen in pub never in Lidl or WH Smith

269747 chaos, #588 of 1914 🔗

Who’s Afraid of Virginia Vaccine?
Will Franken.. needs a few more subs I think.

269751 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 22, #589 of 1914 🔗

I’ve decided to take some friendly advice that I read in reply to one of my posts the other day.

Thanks to everyone here for helping to keep me sane during the last few months. I’m giving up the internet for a while.

I’m sorry if my posts have offended anyone, I should probably moderate myself in the future

I hope you all get through this with minimal damage.

Good luck, see you on the other side.

269753 ▶▶ mjr, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #590 of 1914 🔗

you will be missed.. i loved the Guardian spoofs
and as they say, you have to break the odd egg to make an omelette

269757 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #591 of 1914 🔗

All the very best to you, captain.

269760 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #592 of 1914 🔗

No offence ever taken! See you on the other side 😊

269828 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #593 of 1914 🔗


your Guardian Spoofs were brilliant.

Enjoy your sabbatical, will be good to hear from you again at any time.


269872 ▶▶ leggy, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #594 of 1914 🔗

Put your feet up 🙂

270207 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #595 of 1914 🔗

Never offended me.

Look forward to your return. 🙂

269756 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 26, #596 of 1914 🔗

Government ministers are all telling us that mass testing in Liverpool dramatically reduced the number of “infections”. And apparently we are all supposed to nod and say, “How wonderful.”

How can any Boris, Matt, or Bob, never mind the rest of us, believe this nonsense? It simply is not credible that these ministers believe what they are saying. We are supposed to believe that they think conducting a test removes the virus. Of course, they do not believe such nonsense. So why are they pushing this blatant nonsense?

269883 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, #597 of 1914 🔗

Basically because once you start down the road of falsehood, there’s no way back, and you just have to keep compounding.

269887 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #598 of 1914 🔗

I conjecture that in the absence of a vaccine, or because of vaccine refusers, HMG might go for certificated testing. Whether such a certificate might include social credit will be interesting to see. Say no to everything.

270381 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, #599 of 1914 🔗

Wish fulfillment.

269772 Toby Lewis, replying to Toby Lewis, 3, #600 of 1914 🔗

The briefing document is a great start and is well presented. However there is an ERROR in the false positives diagram. All the words are correct but in Scenario 2, there are 1000 people without the infection but the diagram shows 2500 which implies 25 false positives. It would be great if this could be corrected as our arguments need to be watertight.

270025 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Toby Lewis, 3, #601 of 1914 🔗

The science narrative is still dangerous because it assumes lockdowns and restrictions are necessary. Does the Government have the right to impose restrictions and destroy civil liberties for a health issue?

270382 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #602 of 1914 🔗

Wankers and Bankers rule the world.

269773 stefarm, 1, #603 of 1914 🔗

Some of you might have already seen this but here is a site that has censored poo tube videos.


269775 Dave #KBF, 3, #604 of 1914 🔗

Interesting listening to Baroness Hoey, former Labour MP and minister Kate Hoey. Baroness Hoey sits in the lords non affiliated, interesting how her views seem to align with how most right thinking people are viewing the current situation, unlike her former commons comrades.


269776 Aslangeo, 4, #605 of 1914 🔗

From Twitter (Carl Haneghan) – Showing weekly positive tests per 100K people last week in Tier areas – absolutely absurd, arbitrary division – a bit lie 19th century imperialists drawing lines across the map of Africa

269778 richmond, 11, #606 of 1914 🔗

“You want normal?


269782 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 14, #607 of 1914 🔗

An Invitation to Small Business Saturday’s Webinar with Sir Keir Starmer

The Leader of the Labour Party, Sir Keir Starmer, will listen to the voice of small businesses ahead of Small Business Saturday.

I think I would rather slide down a razor blade into a paddling pool of dettol.

269829 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 4, #608 of 1914 🔗

So that small businesses can say ‘Yes, dear leader of the Party of Working People, we really, really want you to insist on cutting our throsts in order to keep us safe.’

269846 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Sarigan, 1, #609 of 1914 🔗

Brainstorming session on small businesses… how do we get more of them?

First, take a large business…

269859 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan, 1, #610 of 1914 🔗

What chance do small business owners have when Mike Cherry, National Chair, Federation of Small Businesses is fully signed up to https://www.buildbackbetter.org.uk/ ?

269877 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to leggy, #611 of 1914 🔗

Does he run a bike shop?

270596 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, #612 of 1914 🔗

Yep, contacted him with facts etc to pass on to his members.

Nada, nothing, SFA.

He’s another stooge.

269785 Tim, replying to Tim, 19, #613 of 1914 🔗

I just wrote to my MP. He is one of the Covid Recovery Group, and is doing his best for us, but I needed to vent my feelings anyway. Here’s what I wrote:

Dear Philip

My emotions were all over the place when I saw the new tier allocations for England. I have been trying to balance anger and utter despair. We might as well be living in North Korea. The promise of a vaccine has only served to embolden the government in its excessive authoritarian measures.

If there was a crisis in a few Northern hospitals (which there isn’t) then there might be some justification for continuing restrictions in those areas, but there is absolutely no need to lock down areas that have no such problems. Peoples’ lives are being ruined for nothing.

My analysis, and I might be wrong, is that the Government is spending billions of pounds of money that we don’t have, and destroying jobs and businesses, in order to shelter their own reputation. They don’t want to be remembered as the government that allowed half a million people to die, mostly in hospital corridors, so they are doing everything they can to keep Covid death figures as low as possible. They seem not to care about the damage that will be done in the slightly longer term, which, if it is ever evaluated, will be far worse than the damage that they are trying to prevent. We all know now that the horror predictions by Neil Ferguson were wrong by a factor of 10, and that the outrageous terror graphs published in the last few weeks were deliberately and cynically designed to scare the public into submission. And yet the government carries on as if this were the Black Death.

I am unlikely to vote for Labour in the near future, but I will also not vote for a party that has Boris Johnson as its leader. He is not a Conservative. He has to go, and the sooner the better.

I know you are on the side of common sense, and I thank you for your efforts.


Tim Light

P.S. I just learned that non-league football will not be allowed crowds in Tier 3. I am gutted. My brother and I took some consolation in watching local football at Thackley or Eccleshill United. A sliver of normality in a dismal dystopian world. It’s going to be a long winter.

269795 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tim, 3, #614 of 1914 🔗

Great letter

269818 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tim, 5, #615 of 1914 🔗

I’d be tempted to omit ‘I might be wrong’!

269788 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 12, #616 of 1914 🔗

Tucker Carlson explains the reactions across the world to this deadly pandemic, from a virus so lethal that the main symptom is “I didn’t know I had it” :

Various world leaders (in this specific case, Democrats in the U.S.) are using the pandemic as a power grab. They’re using exactly the same phrases as the UK government, and very, very similar policies, i.e. shutting down the hospitality industry. After all, we don’t want the plebs meeting up in person, where we can’t monitor them electronically, and plotting rebellion…..

269857 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lms23, 3, #617 of 1914 🔗

“deadly pandemic”. Sadly so ingrained now. The Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court used this phrase in his dissent from the court’s decision to grant an injunction allowing churches to open pending review of the constitutionality of closing churches. This is a man who makes his living, and important decisions, based on the precise use of language. He has life tenure so doesn’t need to please anyone.

(Off topic, he was appointed by a Republican and is always referred to as a conservative, but this time, not for the first time, he voted with the liberal/activist judge wing of the court. If you believe the liberal media, the court has had a conservative majority for a long time but in reality it is only now with Barrett replacing Ginsburg that it is on balance conservative given that Roberts is a centrist/liberal).

270409 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #618 of 1914 🔗

Roberts is probably a Trilteralist.

269791 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #619 of 1914 🔗

Just heard 15k jobs at risk due to likely collapse of Arcadia. Will anyone wake up if this happens?

269874 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #620 of 1914 🔗

Yes. Hence the continuing lockdown by any other name.

270477 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Charlie Blue, #621 of 1914 🔗

Unfortunately, all the Daily Mail commenters did was rant about what’s-his-name who runs it. Not a peep about the thousands who will be out of work.

269792 petgor, replying to petgor, 4, #622 of 1914 🔗

SAGE can’t lose. They can come up with massive figures for deaths in the safe knowledge that they are not required to take account of the economic effects if any decisions. the government on the other hand will blame SAGE. Catch 22 for us. No doubt the government is looking ahead to the Public Inquiry.

269834 ▶▶ Ben, replying to petgor, 3, #623 of 1914 🔗

SAGE are on the Gov’t payroll, so in effect work for the Gov’t

270412 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #624 of 1914 🔗

The Gov’t payroll is bankrolled by the taxpayers. So, in effect they work for us.

269848 ▶▶ Julian, replying to petgor, 3, #625 of 1914 🔗

Well, I don’t like SAGE but ultimately it is the PM and the Cabinet who should have asked for an analysis of the economic, societal, health, educational effects of the lockdowns. That’s what they are there for.

270414 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 1, #626 of 1914 🔗

They are all Globalist enthusiasts so it doesn’t matter where they get their analyses.

269798 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 9, #627 of 1914 🔗

Richard Tice on TR brilliant on PCR fiasco and finding out who in Govt knows it is not fit for purpose and are they covering up/lying.

270257 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, #628 of 1914 🔗

They are covering up. Even the design of the test itself could well be fraudulent never mind its use.

269802 Adam, 1, #629 of 1914 🔗

Mp’s do your jobs remove Johnson Hancock Witty Vallance Van Tam Sage along with all the bullshit rules and nonsensical covid19 act 2020

269804 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 57, #630 of 1914 🔗

Phew….I done a pregnancy test this morning and I’m negative…….that’s a relief as I’m a 42 year old man…..could be asyptomatic I suppose, I am feeling a bit bloated.

269812 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 9, #631 of 1914 🔗

It will almost certainly be positive next time. Better go buy a cot.
And some nappies…

269826 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, 8, #632 of 1914 🔗

Bloody hell, nobody told me that….maybe I shouldn’t of got a test if I haven’t got any symptoms.

Is there a test for fuckwittery and ignorance???

270415 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #633 of 1914 🔗

Create one and send it to your MP.

270417 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to stefarm, 5, #634 of 1914 🔗

next on Hancocks list, compulsory testing for all women once a week to see if they are pregnant. You cant be too careful.

270682 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Iansn, #635 of 1914 🔗

Corona Ausschuss yesterday, Prof Wodarg explained that one of the vaccines could prevent pregnancies. Apparently the vaccine stops a protein, which would be needed for the virus to attach to a human cell. The same protein is needed to get the body to build up the placenta and therefor make it possible for a fertilised egg to implant.

270727 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Silke David, #636 of 1914 🔗

…and that’s how the excreble Gates will reduce his population count to the Georgia Guidestones number (Google refers – 500.000.000 people)

269815 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stefarm, 12, #637 of 1914 🔗

Don’t be defeatist Just keep testing every couple of days. Eventually you’ll get a positive.

269860 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to stefarm, 2, #638 of 1914 🔗

Hi Loretta

270218 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #639 of 1914 🔗

Uptick for the Peoples’ Front of Judea reference. 😉

269988 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 4, #640 of 1914 🔗

Shit, I’ve just remembered it was my birthday 3 weeks ago, I’m 43. Must have long covid!

270421 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, 2, #641 of 1914 🔗

Long Covid is like the Event Horizon of a Black Hole, it slows down Time.

269995 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to stefarm, 3, #642 of 1914 🔗

Use a PCR test, much more reliable.

270864 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to stefarm, #643 of 1914 🔗

As long as you’ve still got a good (lateral) flow, you’re not gravid.

269806 Wolver, replying to Wolver, 7, #644 of 1914 🔗

JHB interview with Jenrick. Are there any other journalists actually challenging MP’s?


269822 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Wolver, 1, #645 of 1914 🔗

What’s the point? They all clearly hear a different question to any that are asked.

269840 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #646 of 1914 🔗

It matters. Stand up and challenge them

269873 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Anothersceptic2, #647 of 1914 🔗

The more sheep that see them struggle to answer basic questions, the more we can wake up.

269811 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #648 of 1914 🔗

“The proposed amendments to public order legislation next year are likely to lead to even more aggressive tactics and in turn, to justify more surveillance on campaigners”

This Govt is out of control and must go.


269825 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 8, #649 of 1914 🔗

The Gov’t and the UK is occupied by the WEF. Labour won’t be any different

269871 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ben, 1, #650 of 1914 🔗

Next year’s restrictions following the economic fallout will be crowd control, that’s all.

269878 ▶▶▶ local citizen, replying to Ben, 5, #651 of 1914 🔗

The WEF is following the plan of the Trilateral Commission. Kier Starmer is a member of the Trilateral Commission, so they are all owned by the same ideology – there is no opposition at all. Wake up people.

270424 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #652 of 1914 🔗

Defeat the WEF! Vive la Résistance!

269922 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Victoria, 1, #653 of 1914 🔗

Perhaps it’s time we had elected local police chiefs so they can be called to account?

269814 chaos, replying to chaos, 19, #654 of 1914 🔗

Jenrick.. posho chinless wonder.
The man actually said testing caused infections to fall in Liverpool… just amazing.

269845 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 2, #655 of 1914 🔗

The virus that’s afraid of being tested for

269849 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 4, #656 of 1914 🔗

Rebleating what hancock said earlier in the week who added ‘we will ramp up testing in other tier 3 regions to get their numbers down as well’

269855 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, 2, #657 of 1914 🔗

Apparently government ministers believe that conducting a test removes the virus from people.

269867 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to chaos, #658 of 1914 🔗

He’s more interested in real estate.

270100 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to chaos, #659 of 1914 🔗

I could never understand how merely testing could cause infections to fall. What am I missing? Can someone enlighten me?

270122 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to chaos, 1, #660 of 1914 🔗

Well, it’s obvious. The virus is a sentient being and feels fear. “Omigod! They’re on to me.!”

269824 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 21, #661 of 1914 🔗

Calling all MPs who might still have some semblance of humanity….

Unreliable PCR tests to go – use Lateral Flow tests


270251 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 1, #662 of 1914 🔗

And then go after those who knew about PCR and did nothing. The tool of operession. I have an email drafted to local journalist that shows my local MP was emailed 3 times since June on the topic of PCR asking him to enquire about PCR, false positives and CTs. That’s all. Ask those two questions and demand an answer.

He did nothing. Complicit in the oppression. As soon as PCR hits court and shown to be a fraud, the email goes out.

269832 Ben, replying to Ben, 10, #663 of 1914 🔗

Predatory – The Great Reset’s modus operandi in full view. Close down small businesses under the guise of public health (Covid) and take ownership of them


269837 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ben, 5, #664 of 1914 🔗

So that fits perfectly with that supposed leak from the Canadian MP then? (not sure if it was an MP but it was someone in parliament I believe.)

269844 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 4, #665 of 1914 🔗

Copying what some high street banks have been doing for years.

269836 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #666 of 1914 🔗

UK government running ‘Orwellian’ unit to block release of ‘sensitive’ information
Exclusive: Secretive Cabinet Office ‘Clearing House’ for Freedom of Information requests also accused of “blacklisting” journalists; openDemocracy launching a legal bid for transparency

The British government has been accused of running an ‘Orwellian’ unit in Michael Gove’s office that instructs Whitehall departments on how to respond to Freedom of Information requests and shares personal information about journalists, openDemocracy can reveal today.

Freedom of Information (FOI) requests are supposed to be ‘applicant-blind’: meaning who makes the request should not matter. But it now emerges that government departments and non-departmental public bodies have been referring ‘sensitive’ FOI requests from journalists and researchers to the Clearing House in Gove’s department in a move described by a shadow cabinet minister as “blacklisting”.

This secretive FOI unit gives advice to other departments “to protect sensitive information”, and collates lists of journalists with details about their work.


269865 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Victoria, 6, #667 of 1914 🔗

Gove is a shit.

269847 Mark, replying to Mark, 11, #668 of 1914 🔗

From Toby’s Spectator piece, I found this rather disappointing:

Even my mother-in-law has become a bit suspicious. She came to lunch last Saturday – she’s in our support bubble

There’s absolutely no need to preemptively kowtow to these stupid rules and absurd concepts. To the contrary – leave it unsaid specifically so people can jump to the conclusion that the rules were ignored, without actually saying so in a way that could get you or your contacts in trouble. That way resistance is encouraged, while the zealots can only fume impotently.

And no, it’s not a concern that the others mentioned might feel implicated by the omission. If they feel that then they can say that they did not break the rules.

Perhaps Toby will say that he believes in following the laws even while fighting them, but that does not sit well with his overall attitude here, imo.

For Toby to give them credence in this way makes him look a bit weak and hypocritical to me.

269854 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mark, #669 of 1914 🔗

Do you recognise irony at all?

269864 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to bluemoon, #670 of 1914 🔗

Irony’s often hard to spot in writing. Is that what you think this was?

269929 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mark, #671 of 1914 🔗

Yes I do.

269938 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to bluemoon, #672 of 1914 🔗

OK, well it’s a valid interpretation – you might be right, obviously. All i can say is that’s not how I read it and I’m not unusually insensitive in such matters. Perhaps it’s clearer in the context of the full article.

269889 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mark, 7, #673 of 1914 🔗

I try to refrain from even using the infantile language of COVID. It’s really annoying hearing grown adults using silly phrases like ‘support bubble’.

269946 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mark, 2, #674 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely agree Mark! TY is an old enough hand to know that you have to franticly signal ‘irony’ if you want it understood as such online.

Anyway… he hasn’t written the blog himself for 9 days so exactly what is he up to in his shed? (Do we really want to know?) AG

270181 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #675 of 1914 🔗

If we are wrong on this interpretation, then it’s definitely time for those like Toby with media platforms to drop any attempts at ironic humour and start signalling non-compliance, even if in a superficially deniable manner.

exactly what is he up to in his shed ? “

Probably doing some paid work….

270241 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #676 of 1914 🔗

Living the Ed Reardon dream?

270139 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 2, #677 of 1914 🔗

“socially distanced of course”

That sort of add on. Grim.

Has Toby attended a protest? Maybe time to take the plunge

270187 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #678 of 1914 🔗

Yes, Delingpole has been a lot more manly about the whole thing, if not necessarily more effective.

270437 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, 2, #679 of 1914 🔗

Watch JDs latest podcast with Patrick M Wood. All about the Trilateral Commission, Technocracy history, David Rockefeller.

269850 Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #680 of 1914 🔗

Richard Tice on Talkradio chipping away at the credibility of the PCR test. This is the way to go.

269852 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #681 of 1914 🔗

They tell us not to sing, not to have carol services, then sit in Parliament laughing with their mouths wide open, they clean seats between customers, they file into Parliament consecutively, one rs off one rs off without a cloth in sight. While the sheep carry on blindly obeying.

270482 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #682 of 1914 🔗

I do my best to remember to sing as I walk down the road to get my bus. My singing voice is terrible but I like to do it since it’s prohibited.

269853 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 10, #683 of 1914 🔗

Is the CRG what counts as a rebellion these days? I mean there’s a chance half of them won’t even vote against, they just want a bit more paperwork! It’s the biggest loss of our liberties in human memory. It calls for revolution not a few awkward questions.

269861 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Achilles, 2, #684 of 1914 🔗

The CRG are the worst of them all. Trying to sit on the fence whilst they vote in consensus.

269913 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to JHuntz, 4, #685 of 1914 🔗

I don’t agree I think they are the voice of sanity in Parliament and are at least mobilising and asking the right questions. More than the non existent opposition is doing.

270094 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #686 of 1914 🔗

A fair point and very charitable of you but they are merely tinkering at the edges. Arguing about which tier to be in plays into the enemy’s hands; the argument should be about whether to have tiers at all.
I (and lots of people) want them scrapped completely.

270234 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Stephanos, #687 of 1914 🔗

Agreed Stephano but at least it’s organised and putting up resistance.

270198 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jo Dominich -, #688 of 1914 🔗

I appreciate your point but to me they want their cake and eat it. Kid on they care but vote hand in mouth with the government.

269915 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Achilles, 1, #689 of 1914 🔗

Most of them just want tier changes for their own constituencies or will be bought off that way. It’s why bozo set the starting gate so high.

269856 James, replying to James, 15, #690 of 1914 🔗

s time to call this out. Lockdowns are murderous in their intent and murderous in effect. Perhaps, those who
initiated the first Lockdowns were easily manipulated and very stupid. But they did it again in full awareness of the consequences. That is active evil- pure and simple.

Lockdowns kill granny and grandad and will eventually kill tens of millions of perfectly healthy people. They are psychopathic culling machines. Tell that to anyone who tries to guilt trip you into wearing a mask.

269866 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to James, 10, #691 of 1914 🔗

Lockdowns do kill granny and grandad and they have the extra ingredient of making the last months and years of their lives absolutely miserable.

269875 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Achilles, 3, #692 of 1914 🔗

And there’s the scandal of the Liverpool Care Pathway deaths

269870 ▶▶ Ben, replying to James, 12, #693 of 1914 🔗

I saw this today on Right Said Fred’s Twitter account. It all makes sense. The Great Reset is predatory. A replay of previous banking crashes where small businesses have collapsed and millionaire tycoons have bought them up cheap. Easy pickings

Right now in Canada small business are being closed for public health reasons (Covid) and the Government is offering to take them over (who will own them?)
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269879 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 10, #694 of 1914 🔗

They are completely changing the finance and business system to give the state and central banks more control. It really is a complete scam and no doubt there will be plenty of crony capitalism which is partly why the well connected financial journalists don’t condemn it.

269892 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 5, #695 of 1914 🔗

Exactly. I’m guessing a tiny group of unknown multi-billionaires are feasting off of the spoils of Covid collateral

269944 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ben, 5, #696 of 1914 🔗

They have to be whether there’s a conspiracy or not. It’s just what those people do. No amount of money or influence is enough for them.

269906 ▶▶▶▶ James, replying to Darryl, 6, #697 of 1914 🔗

This whole scam started in the 1920’s with the formation of the Federal Reserve Bank. The whole financial system has been rigged since the beginning of the 20th century. Once you understand the game you can make money. But the system was bound to crash sooner or later. Now would be as good a time as any.

269986 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to James, 2, #698 of 1914 🔗

Hence why they don’t teach it in school, don’t want the plebs finding out!

270019 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, #699 of 1914 🔗

Only temporary.

270441 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #700 of 1914 🔗

Surprise! It’s payback time.

269910 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 3, #701 of 1914 🔗

who will own them?

Their cronies.

Same that happened in Zimbabwe years ago: chuck farmers off productive land, workers lost their jobs and Government cronies got these farms just to run them in the ground.

In this case get given a lucrative business build on the sweat and tears of the previous owners who were prohibited from running their own businesses

269941 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 3, #702 of 1914 🔗

It’s terrible what’s happening in Canada right now. Canadian police seemingly have no conscience or shame when it comes to destroying people’s livelihoods


269934 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 3, #703 of 1914 🔗

High street banks were doing that for years, they got called out on it by the press but I don’t know if they were penalised for it

269897 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to James, 2, #704 of 1914 🔗

Great post.

269858 Catherine, replying to Catherine, 14, #705 of 1914 🔗

London demo tomorrow (Saturday) 12 noon at Kings Cross station concourse. Bring pots and pans and joy at joining together and making noise for freedom.

269937 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Catherine, 1, #706 of 1914 🔗

Careful the militia don’t classify cooking utensils as offensive weapons.

269880 James, replying to James, 19, #707 of 1914 🔗

I reposted this because the first post was incomplete. This is the full version:

It’s time to call this out. Lockdowns are murderous in their intent and murderous in effect. Perhaps, those who
initiated the first Lockdowns were easily manipulated and very stupid. But they did it again in full awareness of the consequences. That is active evil- pure and simple.

Lockdowns kill granny and grandad and will eventually kill tens of millions of perfectly healthy people. They are psychopathic culling machines. Tell that to anyone who tries to guilt trip you into wearing a mask.

The whole problem with the opposition is the ‘presumption of goodwill’ fallacy. I realise that many people on this site have gone beyond that but most of the official mainstream resistance is assuming that reasoning with these psychopaths will have an impact. It won’t. Recognising that you are dealing with people who are wilfully evil is very hard for us. When you start to see it the first response is usually terror/helplessness. Most people cannot cope with this so go into shock. Eventually enough people can cope and start to respond effectively. That is what happened during the late 1930’s. There are so many similarities now to what happened then. The same strategy of Blitzkrieg. The same bewildered chaotic response when you recognise appeasement doesn’t work. Except this time the assault is worldwide and its psychological.

269908 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to James, 1, #708 of 1914 🔗

I do agree. We have a lot of distraction with questions of ‘what sort of lockdown there should be’. Obviously, the answer is NONE, if we’re to get some sense of balance again. But that’s the LAST thing the fat controllers want.

269882 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #709 of 1914 🔗

The NWO to asset strip countries

269942 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, #710 of 1914 🔗

China beat them to it in many countries.

269884 Jamie, replying to Jamie, 12, #711 of 1914 🔗

Bear with me on this one …

I have 2 young cats, they’re 6 months old,still quite small, but are desperate to explore outside.

As their owner I can see considerable risk, particular with the amount of foxes who frequent my garden, I think they at serious risk of attacks …

I reasoned to myself however that curtailing their freedom and stopping them living a natural life, would be a lot crueller than keeping them in because I am worried about their safety.

Now, I’m sure the risk of death at this stage is higher in my cats than the risk to humans of covid but I value their right to a natural life, their independence and freedom so, weighing everything up, I think it is right to let them outside.

I hope people can see the analogy with the current situation. Are we treating humans with more contempt than animals, are we really valuing life?

269959 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jamie, 5, #712 of 1914 🔗

I read some years ago that the average age that parents now allow their offspring to go out unaccompanied is 15 years old.

Ye gods, I cannot remember a time that I was not out and about with my mates.

269885 leggy, replying to leggy, 21, #713 of 1914 🔗

Best description I’ve seen of Witless and Unbalanaced from the Mail comments section:

Pair of miserable fun sucking joy vampires who’ll probably be spending Christmas hanging upside down in a damp cave…

270445 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to leggy, 1, #714 of 1914 🔗

Near Wuhan.

269886 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 9, #715 of 1914 🔗

Harriet Baldwin, who voted FOR it, then immediately joined the CRG:

”…. I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus…”

These arrogant people really think we’re stupid enough to believe this guff. As if a ”strategy” couldn’t have been ”developed” without banging everyone up. But then, they won’t suffer with the rest of us, will they?
I am utterly sickened by this hypocrisy. She is my MP – and I always rated her quite highly. No longer. I won’t vote for her again.

(And the CRG doesn’t promise much in the way of common sense – merely arguing about whether lockdowns should be this, that or the other. Nothing about the fact that for the country to recover from them they must be STOPPED NOW.

269902 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Banjones, 5, #716 of 1914 🔗

Can I just she needs credit for having realised her error and will now vote against. At least she’s thinking.

269918 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #717 of 1914 🔗

I’d really like to believe that, Jo. I’d much rather see the best in people. But she’s not exactly in the ”suffering” bracket, is she? That’s bound to influence anyone’s ”thinking”.

269888 Cautes, 2, #718 of 1914 🔗

This was exquisite – well done for raising a laugh. Yesterday was by turns infuriating and deeply depressing – we seem to be slipping into malign government. The latter observation is reinforced when I hear the supercilious and patronising tones of Messrs Hancock and Jennrick on the wireless. Keep up the good work Toby and team.

269893 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 35, #719 of 1914 🔗

I attended my neighbours funeral on Wednesday. It was held in a large church in my home town. My neighbour died from a brain tumour which has been killing him for the past two years. His hospital treatment was suspended for three months when ‘the virus’ broke loose and all NHS services were shut down. He was dyeing anyway but he may have had a few extra weeks or months if he had had continuous care—who knows.

I was the only person in the church without a mask. On entry the vicar asked me if I would wear one and I told him I was exempt. To his credit he accepted this graciously. All the pall bearers and church officials wore masks (which were of course BLACK and up to the eyes) as did the mourners who numbered around thirty, this being the maximum permitted.

There was no singing and everyone was far apart although the grieving widow did have a close relative sitting next to her and offering comfort. The vicar said at the start that those who were wearing masks should wear them properly throughout the service apart from the three addressees who could remove them whilst speaking at the lectern. In between each address a church assistant came to the lectern and sprayed it with disinfectant. This was, presumably, to make sure that Covid was not passed on from the previous speakers notes. It was also made clear that when the service was over we should all disperse with no ‘gathering’ outside the church.

There were prayers and music and I have to say that the vicar did his best to make the whole proceedings go as well as could be under the circumstances. He seemed a genuinely nice person and I’m sure he is, but in his black outfit and mask, to me, he looked like the vicar from hell.

I’m not particularly religious myself but when he recited words from Mark’s letter to the Corinthians about love being the most important thing there is my inner feelings were of disbelief as to what was actually happening and an awareness of the total hypocrisy that was unfolding before my very eyes.

As I said previously, I’m not particularly religious but to me I couldn’t help but feel that whilst we were supposedly in a house of God there was an element of the anti Christ in there. Suffice to say it was a service I won’t forget in a hurry.

269895 ▶▶ James, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #720 of 1914 🔗

‘An enemy has done this.’

269940 ▶▶▶ PAM, replying to James, 3, #721 of 1914 🔗

Insightful comment.

269909 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #722 of 1914 🔗

A funeral for a human who was loved – and a funeral for freedom and humanity

270447 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #723 of 1914 🔗

Beethoven’s Third Symphony, Second Movement.

269927 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #724 of 1914 🔗

Religions are already great at cult like ritual. No great step change for them.

269948 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to leggy, 5, #725 of 1914 🔗

But they have bowed down to a greater cult now and one that seems at least as sinister as Christianity at its worst. Black masks – ugh! MW

270039 ▶▶▶▶ PAM, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #726 of 1914 🔗

A difficulty I have is that those who self identify as Christians are woefully ignorant of their own scriptures that they claim is their foundation. Take this for example:

‘Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world’.

How do those who self identify as Christians match up?

It is interesting that there is no instance in the New Testament that the disciples explicitly self identified as Christians.

It seems to me that Christianity as such is a sophistry far removed from the doctrine and example of Jesus of Nazareth. I doubt very much that he would be welcome in the established churches, they might even crucify him afresh and possibly do every day, metaphorically speaking.

It seems to me that organised, ritualistic religion and party politics is a lethal combination which I think is attested in history. It is this unholy amalgam of Pharisaic, Herodian and Sadducean ideologies that culminated in the execution of the Christ. Anglican bishops bless their troops, German Lutheran priest bless theirs. Most everyone wants to think that God is on their side.

End of my rant, a little off topic I’ll admit

270082 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to PAM, 2, #727 of 1914 🔗

It is interesting that there is no instance in the New Testament that the disciples explicitly self identified as Christians.

That’s because they were Jews. My understanding is that the followers of Jesus weren’t kicked out of the synagogues til around 70AD and only then did ‘Christianity’ get going.

270102 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PAM, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #728 of 1914 🔗

Fair point, thankyou.

270096 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to PAM, 2, #729 of 1914 🔗

ALL religions have as their basic tenet—‘love thy neighbour’ and ‘do as you would be done by’. Most regular church goers that I know only practice this up to a point. For example: A couple of years ago we had a homeless man pitch his tent on grass adjoining our small estate. One or two of us tried to help him as best as we could with food, clothes and the like. Others, among them regular Sunday worshippers, wanted him gone PDQ and one even rang the police to get rid of him.
I’m afraid I don’t see much ‘do as you would be done by’ by those professing to be ‘Christian’ but perhaps that just me.

269990 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 2, #730 of 1914 🔗

Except arguably the rituals of the church are supposed to be an aid to life-affirming and enhancing thoughts and feelings

270008 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #731 of 1914 🔗

That sounds like a chilling experience. The Churches seem to think love comes in a nicely wrapped box and empty words. Always astounding hypocrisy when people are in greatest need

269894 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #732 of 1914 🔗

I agree with the article that we should be looking at age standardised mortality in doing mortality comparisons, that is taking out the affects of population growth and population aging.

The actuaries do this in their cumulative graph, but what that doesn’t show, at least not in a clear way, is the current affect on mortality, rather than the cumulative affect over the year.

I produced my own chart of all cause deaths based on the ONS monthly age standardised mortality publication. My chart is attached (for England only, I only realised later combined data with Wales also is available)

What you can see is that there was a significant spike in mortality around April of course. But then standardised mortality fell below the 5 year average, as the April pandemic had brought forward some deaths that would have occurred a few months or so later. And for October mortality is about normal, about 1.2% above the normal for October. My estimate for November is that standardised mortality will be about 10-12% above the 5 year average.

Given that there are excess deaths occurring because of the disastrous lockdowns, then a 1.2% excess for October and potentially something like 10% for November isn’t really abnormal in terms of all cause deaths.

I split the data into males and females, because we know at the height of the pandemic in April, a disproportionate number of covid-19 deaths were male and we can exploit that to try and identify what is happening now. After April male deaths in May, June, July and August were relatively lower than female deaths. Again this shows that a disproportionate number of male deaths were brought forward by the pandemic in April. But now it looks like the male % of excess deaths in October has sneaked just above the female % of excess deaths but both are small so conclusions can’t really be drawn. Perhaps because the male % is higher again this is reflective of the secondary ripple of deaths in areas which weren’t so hard hit in the first wave such as the North West. Will be interesting what the figure is for November. If the female excess figure in November isn’t higher/much higher than the male % figure then that may tell us that many/most/all of what are relatively few excess deaths are indirect deaths from the lockdowns, on the assumption that lockdown kills males and females more evenly than covid perhaps.

269898 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #733 of 1914 🔗

That’s very interesting. The trouble is – this is no longer about a virus that is no danger to the vast majority of us. It’s a convenient tool for manipulation and control.

269950 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Banjones, 1, #734 of 1914 🔗

I agree. But good data analysis can be helpful in persuading others who haven’t as yet quite been able to work out what is really going on, but who aren’t of a completely closed mind.

My most successful comments on local newspaper websites, have where I have been able to counter scaremongering with simple verifiable facts with clear sources. Replying to the ‘but can’t you see our hospital admissions are rising, we must lockdown’ with simple local data showing local bed occupancy is below the seasonal average, and admissions are falling, works very well.

269916 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #735 of 1914 🔗

And here is the corresponding graph from 2015 to 2019 to put the 2020 graph in context.

It’s not uncommon for mortality to spike upwards by say 15% in a month reflecting that seasonal increases don’t always happen at the exact same time in Winter, and so sometimes figures will be above the average and sometimes below.

So April 2020 was quite an unusual spike (at least vs most recent years) but the increase now is completely in the normal range.

269907 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #736 of 1914 🔗

How common is it to be more interested in comments under newspaper articles than the articles themselves?

269919 ▶▶ James, replying to chaos, 9, #737 of 1914 🔗

We are all looking for signs of rebellion. It is coming.

269947 ▶▶ Mark, replying to chaos, 2, #738 of 1914 🔗

Pretty common I’d say. The articles are often predictable, the comments less so (except in rigidly controlled forums such as the Guardian, obviously.)

269956 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 4, #739 of 1914 🔗

Often more important that the article. It’s a gauge of opinion.

269981 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to chaos, 2, #740 of 1914 🔗

I generally skim the article and go straight to the commends, like leggy says it seems a good way to judge public opinion (as long as you look at comments from all sides of the argument).

269987 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 6, #741 of 1914 🔗

Quite natural given the very low quality of what passes for journalism these days

270385 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to chaos, #742 of 1914 🔗

Always for me.

269911 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #743 of 1914 🔗

Boris Johnson ‘overruled calls from Michael Gove to put London in Tier 3’ after Tory MPs warned of economic meltdown in the capital

  • Boris Johnson is said to have overruled Michael Gove to put London in Tier 2
  • Tory MPs had been pushing for the capital to be kept out of the highest bracket
  • PM facing massive rebellion from own benches over 99% of country in top Tiers

PUBLISHED: 08:58, 27 November 2020 | UPDATED: 10:55, 27 November 2020

I certainly feel vindicated in my opinion of Gove. Though he’s on “my side” politically, I’ve always viewed him, personally, as basically unhinged. This was something I observed on foreign policy during the attempts to drag us more openly into the Syria disaster, where his opinions are batshit neocon warmonger crazy. Now it’s clear his zealotry extends to domestic policy, in his pushing of the radical coronapanic lunacy.

I warned people of his underlying basic irrationality when he was touted for the “Conservative” Party leadership – Gove as PM would have been a disaster, quite capable of doing more damage than Blair did, even without the opportunity for self-harm provided by the coronapanic.

Hopefully his coming out as a full on panicker will end his career.

269968 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 3, #744 of 1914 🔗

Must be interesting dynamics in the Gove/Vine household. Or does she just do the anti-lockdown stuff to appeal to the DM readership, I wonder.

269975 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 2, #745 of 1914 🔗

Haven’t really noticed Vine’s stuff much. But I imagine these power couples have structures in place to manage political differences. This one has the potential to get pretty vicious though….

269985 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #746 of 1914 🔗

If this story is true it indicates that the PM has a minute sliver of political sense left in that thick skull of his

270173 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #747 of 1914 🔗

Indeed though it’s evidence at most for a minimal level of low political cunning based on self-preservation

270123 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mark, #748 of 1914 🔗

Was Gove doing this in an attempt to undermine Johnson? Get Johnson to destroy London and blame him when the putsch happens?

270170 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #749 of 1914 🔗

Doubt it. All the evidence we’ve seen so far suggests Gove has been one of the major panickers at the heart of government. Why look for some kind of contorted reading of this just to try to evade that reality?

Never forget. Never forgive.

269912 chaos, replying to chaos, #750 of 1914 🔗

How much time per day do you spend reading news, lockdown, about covid etc?

269921 ▶▶ PAM, replying to chaos, 1, #751 of 1914 🔗

You first.

269928 ▶▶ Gareth, replying to chaos, 5, #752 of 1914 🔗

Too much!

269932 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 17, #753 of 1914 🔗

Hours and hours. Because my life has been destroyed and a friend has become suicidal from lockdown. I need to know there’s a reason to live. What I’m seeing with politicians and blue ticks working as controlled opposition, giving false hope to millions of desperate people makes me sick to my stomach. Prison guards are waving the keys over our heads and laughing

269955 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 6, #754 of 1914 🔗

Yeah I am engrossed too but not for such tragic reasons. Sorry for your loss.

However your feelings resonate for me. I am always searching for the positives through a sea of dark waters. So I end up reading tonnes of stuff.

270088 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Ben, 3, #755 of 1914 🔗

Jamie, my heart goes out to you and your friend. There is a reason to live; we have been given the task to fight this evil and we must do it for the sake of the men and boys who were told that they were going to war for our freedoms. So many of them died and I will not let these evil people steal those hard won freedoms. Take up your anger, your despair and dig deep for your courage because we have to win this battle.

270457 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #756 of 1914 🔗

Find your happy place and build back better.

269953 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 6, #757 of 1914 🔗

25 hours or there abouts.

269958 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to leggy, 4, #758 of 1914 🔗

8 days a week?

269976 ▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 1, #759 of 1914 🔗

Too often but trying to find the good news.

270009 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to chaos, 5, #760 of 1914 🔗

I confess that I do spend ages, but if it arms me with the evidence, facts and figures that I need to hammer the lockdown zealots into the ground in any argument, then it is time well spent.

I have changed my tack a little though. Instead of writing to my MP, I am putting comments on his Facebook page where everyone can read them. Likewise I am spending more time educating the folks who post on my local paper’s site. I know that on here I am preaching to the converted, whereas there, there is much work to be done.

269930 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #761 of 1914 🔗

Why do more people not want to have an exemption lanyard,what’s with the mask wearing. It clearly states in the gov.uk rules that they are ‘allowed’ even if you think you would feel panicky.

269954 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #762 of 1914 🔗

Because they’ve been primed to believe that the alternative to feeling panicky while muzzled is killing people. Which is a pretty panic-inducing thought in itself if you believe it!

269973 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #763 of 1914 🔗

Herd mentality probably, others have reported wearers admitting it’s bollocks but still complying. Also stories of them taking it off if others aren’t with little/no enforcement.

269983 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #764 of 1914 🔗

I simply don’t go anywhere that requires a mask, which can be a bit limiting but doesn’t bother me too much as being in a place full of masked people isn’t that appealing

I appreciate not everyone has the option to do this

For me, it’s my basic honesty – I am not exempt. The law they have made causes me severe distress because it is wrong, but I cannot honestly say that wearing a mask would cause me severe distress in the way that they intended the law to be read. In this case, the honesty is probably not useful and should be overridden by anger.

270014 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Julian, 8, #765 of 1914 🔗

It causes me severe moral distress, because it is acting a lie. Therefore I am exempt. I have no idea if this is how they intended the law to be read. I can’t read their minds. I’m not a Parliamentary draughtsman.

270021 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #766 of 1914 🔗

Exactly. It is the same as compelled speech which is illegal in this country.

270072 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Julian, 2, #767 of 1914 🔗

If it causes you distress then you are exempt. That’s all there is to it. If I believed they worked I’d minimise my visits to places needing them but wear one. I don’t have to though because I know they don’t work.

270119 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Julian, #768 of 1914 🔗

But how do you know how they intended the law to be read?

270508 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 2, #769 of 1914 🔗

It was drafted the way it is because it was intended to be voluntary: you can see this by the fact that no evidence, let alone proof, is required. Whether or not a person is exempt is a matter of self identification. If you self identify as exempt, you are exempt.

271087 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #770 of 1914 🔗

‘probably’ ?! good grief, Julian, smell that coffee.

If you don’t feel that ‘distress’ would be honest, I would suggest ‘risk of harm’.

270113 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #771 of 1914 🔗

i reckon the sheeple just dont even think about it anymore. On my Aldi trip this morning everyone shopping their was masked. I wasnt – as usual ….and nobody was concerned .

270115 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #772 of 1914 🔗


Many supermarkets do not police masks but people still wear them. Am the only non-masked when going to the local Morissons

Told the cashier at the local village shop that she either chucks me out or serve me. If she chucks me out that obviously I will never be back (it was this ‘i am only suppose to serve me when you have a mask). She served me.

Many small businesses are clueless about the regulations (yes I know it changes on a daily basis) and contribute too their own demise

270279 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 2, #773 of 1914 🔗

Told the cashier at the local village shop that she either chucks me out or serve me. If she chucks me out that obviously I will never be back (it was this ‘i am only suppose to serve me when you have a mask). She served me.

Posted something similar yesterday about a back street cafe near where I work that’s normally rammed every time I go in.
Currently, they have a sign in the window – “no mask, no service”. They are empty every time I pass now. Madness!

270808 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Dan Clarke, #774 of 1914 🔗

The weird thing is even if you explain exemptions they still don’t believe you.. bonkers!

269960 James, 3, #775 of 1914 🔗

For those of you with a Marvel bent:

We are watching the rise of Hydra. We are the Avengers.

269962 Ben, replying to Ben, 17, #776 of 1914 🔗
269974 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ben, 24, #777 of 1914 🔗

Good to see that they can see the funny side as they condemn us all to their dystopian nightmare. My contempt for them knows no bounds right now.

270468 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, 1, #778 of 1914 🔗

That’s not 2 meters.

270016 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 4, #779 of 1914 🔗

Dick Dastardly and Muttley

270040 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, #780 of 1914 🔗


270054 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 2, #781 of 1914 🔗

Bit early for the c word but still just as apt.

270062 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to stefarm, #782 of 1914 🔗

If it’s not too early for (han)Cock it’s not too early for the female c(o)unterpart.

270811 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to stefarm, 1, #783 of 1914 🔗

Then let me.. fucking cunts.

270065 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to stefarm, #784 of 1914 🔗

Oh yes, spot on!

270201 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ben, 1, #785 of 1914 🔗

Truly shocking.

270215 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 2, #786 of 1914 🔗

Their mouths are wide open too, like they are when singing!

270471 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan Clarke, #787 of 1914 🔗

Spewing droplets in the air.

269963 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 18, #788 of 1914 🔗

Richard Tice talking sense on talk radio’s Mike Graham show .He is on the case about the P C R tests again ,calling for people to be tested with the lateral flow test as well and compare results and the court case in Portugal .Also watched Ian Duncan Smith on J H Brewer , he seems like a man at the end of his patience with his own government and can’t even be bothered to hide it . I think it will be a case of get Brexit sorted one way or another and then Johnson is finished in the new year .If the Tories want a future Johnson must go and they know it .

270209 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to wat tyler, #789 of 1914 🔗

No Deal Brexit is done isn’t it?

270721 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Jo Dominich -, #790 of 1914 🔗

Well as i see it there with be a trade deal or we get a W T O exit . When one of these happens Johnson is then not required and will be removed .He is a spent force who is damaging the Tory brand .

270336 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to wat tyler, #791 of 1914 🔗

i heard Tice also and he talks so much sense. I wish his new party would start to speak up more now to challenge johnson and the mps before it is too late. We cannot keep this yoyo state of affairs based on crackpot science and false data – need action now!

270726 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to penelope pitstop, #792 of 1914 🔗

As i have said i believe they are waiting to see what the Brexit deal is .Then he will be removed.

269966 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 14, #793 of 1914 🔗

Not denied – you couldn’t make it up:

Exclusive: No.10 ‘Demanded UK Flag Be Printed On Oxford Vaccine Doses’ | HuffPost UK (huffingtonpost.co.uk)

Not going very well though, and methinks my alma mater will be needing to distance itself from this team of researchers pretty soon!

269977 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #794 of 1914 🔗

Of course the selection of a vaccine and decisions around it will be based on the science and public health ,not politics

270007 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #795 of 1914 🔗

Yes, not looking good is it?
And to think little Matty ‘Manchild’ Hancock overrode his officials and ordered insane quantities.
If it were any other country we’d be calling it a banana republic, failed state or any number of other epithets.

270061 ▶▶ steph, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #796 of 1914 🔗

At least your alma mater is Oxford. Mine is Imperial, think how I feel!

270101 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to steph, 2, #797 of 1914 🔗

must be embarrassing for you and your estimated 20000 children

270127 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to mjr, 1, #798 of 1914 🔗

It was only out by a factor of 10.
I console myself by telling people that it was a long time ago and we were taught real science not soothsaying.

270644 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to steph, #799 of 1914 🔗

TT and Steph: Between you, you make me glad I’m a Cambridge linguist! 🙂

269970 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #800 of 1914 🔗

I’ve just seen a bunch of young lads dressed up against the chill heading up to the skate park.
Presumably they will be ‘isolating at home’ because one of their classmates had a runny nose.

270003 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to karenovirus, 1, #801 of 1914 🔗

They probably have a rota and take it in turns at feeling poorly.

269972 richmond, replying to richmond, 25, #802 of 1914 🔗

A friend of mind has sent me this:

I have never before in my life turned to classical music for soul food and drink.

But now I turn it on and am instantly in another age where even though people in high places still did dreadful things, there was some kind of frame of reference I understand.

I am back in an age, I suppose, of churches and farms and courts and markets and books and meat and vegetables. Of two genders, and of art which was meant to have both beauty and meaning. And my soul can take a deep breath and recalibrate, ready to face the ugliness and madness all over again…….

270063 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to richmond, 4, #803 of 1914 🔗

Indeed, many people have trying to warn of the loss of such a world for years and have received no thanks, merely opprobrium.

I would place loss of trust high on that list.

270070 ▶▶ Lili, replying to richmond, 4, #804 of 1914 🔗

That’s a brilliant post. I feel the same. I take solace in ‘old fashioned’ pastimes like sewing, gardening and cooking. I read books and am decorating. I don’t watch or listen to the MSM. This current malaise is not the real world anyway, as many are soon to find out. When the shit hits the fan it will be those of us who know how to survive bleak times and hardship – those of who have practical skills – who will survive.

270195 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to richmond, 2, #805 of 1914 🔗

Radio 3 is a brilliant Radio Station for this.

271321 ▶▶▶ F W, replying to Jo Dominich -, #806 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely! So few news bulletins, so much lovely music and intelligent comment; it is possible to distance oneself temporarily from the Madness.

269980 Edward Lear, replying to Edward Lear, 16, #807 of 1914 🔗

I’m not in the best of moods at the moment and really should have thought twice before browsing the Guardian this morning. One of their columnists, writing a piece about “getting back to normal”, says “Such is the sensation brought on by looking forward to next year and the inevitable resumption of something like normal life. There are so many things to run towards gladly: being able to travel and see my family again; simple pleasures such as meeting friends for a drink without wondering if it’s an indulgence that will kill me; having my kids actually go to school; reading the news without keening at the death tolls and the image of people dying alone in Covid wards.”

For fuck’s sake! What kind of world do we live in were supposedly educated and informed people churn out shite like this. Does this silly woman wonder whether she should ever leave the house in case a) a tree falls on her head b) she gets run over by a car or c) she is murdered? I suspect the chances of all three are far greater than her dying of covid through meeting a friend. And what death tolls exactly is she talking about here? Does she look at the statistics? Does she think that people who are already seriously ill and over 85 should be prioritized above the lives of much younger people who are not getting cancer screening, diagnoses and treatment Get a grip you ridiculous arse!

270012 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Edward Lear, 2, #808 of 1914 🔗

They haven’t read Schwab’s book. “A lot of us are pondering when we can get back to normal. The short response is; never.”

270476 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to leggy, #809 of 1914 🔗

‘Quoth the Raven never more’.

270028 ▶▶ annie, replying to Edward Lear, 2, #810 of 1914 🔗

It’s a wonder she manages to exist inside her house. Lethal dangers lurk in every corner … roast potatoes, for a start.

270052 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to annie, 1, #811 of 1914 🔗

Cutlers are stepping up the production of serving spoons.
The army logistics corps will distribute them.
All hail, and praise be! Christmas dinner is saved!

270284 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to annie, #812 of 1914 🔗

Lethal dangers lurk in every corner..” absolutely true. Long time ago, I knew of someone who died as a result of a beta-carotene problem. So beware next time you’re in a Supermarket, or take a walk around someone’s vegetable patch. that carrot could be deadly.

270821 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to annie, #813 of 1914 🔗

What about severe weather.. icy pavements etc.

270043 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Edward Lear, 3, #814 of 1914 🔗

This drivel is to be expected from the Groan. Steer well clear for the sake of your own sanity.

270192 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Poppy, #815 of 1914 🔗

It seems to have turned into the official Govt propaganda rag alongside The Sun. No more no less.

270219 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Edward Lear, #816 of 1914 🔗

Johnson wrote that piece about Freedom and what he would do if asked for ID, they are all liars, story tellers.

270326 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Edward Lear, #817 of 1914 🔗

What about keening over the other 1000+ people who are dying every day? Why only the covid deaths?

269984 Fruitbat, replying to Fruitbat, -20, #818 of 1914 🔗

I’ve been wearing a visor when doing my shopping at Waitrose since the mask mandate was introduced. All the time I’ve wished I had the courage to just brazen it out bare-faced, but with every other shopper obediently muzzled as well as all but one or two of the staff, I’ve struggled with the thought that I would be perceived as the irresponsible, far-right extremist, grandma-killer, so it has felt like the lesser of two evils to don the visor. Today, I was determined I would “be the change I want to see” and just go for it – I’ve been psyching myself up all week for this. My new found confidence took a knock when the first thing I saw on my Facebook news feed was this post shared on one of the community groups I’m in. I’ll copy and paste the text below for those who don’t have FB but if you go to the actual post you’ll be able to see the accompanying doe-eyed photo and the fact it has over 7.6K likes and 2.4K adoring comments, including many expressing their heartfelt disapproval of those who don’t follow the rules re. masks and social distancing. It’s just so depressing that this is the degree of social and emotional manipulation we are up against:


“As I am sitting here this afternoon I am reflecting back on this past week. My first shift of three, I got to work to find out I was being floated to the covid unit. Okay. Deep breath. Nothing I haven’t already been through.
As I got to the unit, you could feel a shift in the energy that I have not felt for a few months now. I grabbed my PPE, found my assignment and without hesitation the charge nurse saw me and said your patient in room ** is dying. Just like that. These nurses see this every day and covid has normalized this for some. I had such a pit in my stomach knowing that out of my five patients one could die with just me by their side that night. These patients are scared. As a nurse, there is no worse feeling than feeling hopeless when you have done all you can do & have your patient tell you all they want now is for it to be over so they can go home.
After an extremely long night, I went to the bathroom and cried for the first time in my year of nursing. I cried because I know so many people that are no longer taking masking and social distancing seriously. I cried because this illness is affecting those of all age groups. I cried because covid isn’t just getting worse, it already is worse. We are seeing a spike in cases now just as bad as we did in March. The people were applauding healthcare workers a few months ago and now I see those same people saying it’s okay to get together in groups for the holidays. I know it isn’t easy not seeing your family and loved ones especially this time of year, but I can assure you it won’t be any easier from a hospital room with very little other human contact. On behalf of healthcare workers, we can’t fight this alone. We need our communities to come together and put the greater good first.
We are your nurses. We are fighting but we are tired. Please do your part and we will do ours”

269989 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Fruitbat, 14, #819 of 1914 🔗

Hello 77th. MW

270111 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #820 of 1914 🔗

Miriam, with respect I think you need to read my post a bit more carefully. The first paragraph is me speaking as someone who has been an arch sceptic since day one but, nevertheless, finds it difficult not to feel extremely uncomfortable at the division that has been caused by all of this and the fact that there are many people out there who have been manipulated into, not just believing that there is a deadly virus out there, but that it is all the fault of the ‘rule-breakers’ that we can’t go back to normal anytime soon. I’m well aware that there is all kinds of manipulation going on on Facebook and I try and look for evidence that posts, like the one I linked to here, are the work of the 77th Brigade, but it is not always obvious or easy to prove.

Nevertheless FB is a double edged sword, for all the crap like this there is also soe great opportunities for networking with like-minds (until the groups inevititably get shut-down). For example, as an NHS worker myself I’ve been able to join the group ‘NHS worker for choice….’ group, which has come as a massive relief to finally be able to hear other NHS employees voice their concerns and scepticism. p.s. I hope you have a tasty hat! 🙂

269993 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fruitbat, 12, #821 of 1914 🔗

Friend, ally and colleague, do not let yourself be manipulated. You are not responsible for alleged Covviedeaths or shilling, emoting nurses. Would you stop driving you car through town because some halfwit might conceivably run in front of you and get himself killed?
Show your face, smile, be human. If the zombies don’t like it they can run away.

269998 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 10, #822 of 1914 🔗

If that post is genuine (I’d eat my hat if it is) I would further advise their getting off Arsebook and not wasting our time by re-posting such fear-porning drivel on here. MW

270022 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 4, #823 of 1914 🔗

Oh, am I a sucker?
Wouldn’t be the first time.
And I call myself a sceptic!

270051 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 4, #824 of 1914 🔗

You are a sceptic, Annie, you really are. It speaks well for you that your default setting is compassion! 🙂 MW

270050 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to annie, 2, #825 of 1914 🔗

Thanks Annie, I know I should have the resolve to stick to my guns and not let this kind of emotional clap-trap get to me but I do find it difficult as I’m a sensitive soul at the best of times and have always hated anything that makes me stand out from the crowd. Yours is a good analogy though – I will do my best to remember that in case I get challenged by another shopper.

269994 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fruitbat, 11, #826 of 1914 🔗

Propaganda, methinks.
Emotive claptrap.

269997 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Fruitbat, 11, #827 of 1914 🔗

Seems rather odd when we are constantly told that NHS staff are not allowed to express views in the media and social media

270059 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #828 of 1914 🔗

Only the correct ones.

270217 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lili, #829 of 1914 🔗

For which the corporate media give them as big a platform as they could wish for.

270000 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Fruitbat, 18, #830 of 1914 🔗

I’ve read this kind of post before. It smacks of a carefully crafted 77th Brigade offering. I ignore them. I come from a medical family and they know that masks for the general publish don’t stop viruses. They don’t stop viruses for surgeons. Ignore it. There’s a war on for our minds, and I’ve often thought that this sort of post, which is frequently shared by the virtue-signalling general population, is unlikely to have originated by a nurse.

Well done on steeling your resolve and going shopping with a smile. The more of us who do that, the more people will start to ask why they are doing them too. Masks don’t do anything except signal compliance, and they cause far more harm than good.

270056 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Quernus, 4, #831 of 1914 🔗

Yes it does – the old ‘tug at the heartstrings’ stuff.

270069 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Quernus, 1, #832 of 1914 🔗

I looked carefully to the profile to see if I could find any evidence that it is fake but it’s not that obvious if it is (it appears to have been set up several years ago). I did a reverse image search on the photo, but that came up with nothing. It’s exasperating as I’d love to be able to demonstrate that this is not what it appears to be. Although I suspect that would not be enough to convince the thousands of people who like/share these kinds of posts.

270005 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fruitbat, 4, #833 of 1914 🔗

Fruitbat the person posting that is an American nurse.

270220 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Will, #834 of 1914 🔗

The facebook profile states she is from Dublin

270017 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Fruitbat, 3, #835 of 1914 🔗

If you are that soft hearted you shouldn’t be in medicine. Patients die. It happens. Deal with it.

270104 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #836 of 1914 🔗

Exactly. However this is just propaganda.

270129 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #837 of 1914 🔗

From my perspective having worked in A&E and on the wards, including student placements. I came across unexpected death very early on in those placements. However, in A&E it is very difficult not to be affected by the unexpected deaths of young patients including infants, this doesn’t make you soft hearted but human. You do have to be resilient, I applied for a job in a different trust but didn’t get it, because I showed my emotions when I discussed the failed attempt to resuscitate a young baby.

270224 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to thinkaboutit, #838 of 1914 🔗

Just to clarify, this is a post copied from Facebook. What is disturbing is how many postive responses stuff like this gets from the general public. Nothing remotely sceptical ever gets this kind of reponse. It is very frustrating how easily people are being played.

270023 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Fruitbat, 7, #839 of 1914 🔗

Bollox. Not to you but this pathetic drivel. Maybe she should cry for all those killing themselves or dying of untreated cancer. I am angry, really angry.

270237 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Mrs issedoff, #840 of 1914 🔗

I know, it makes me furious too. I know a lot of these posts are likely to be fake propaganda but I also think there are people who actualy write this stuff for real because, not only do they actually believe what they are saying is true, but because it gets them so much attention from the doting general public.

270636 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #841 of 1914 🔗

You could well be right. It’s perhaps an exercise in virtue signalling for them – “Look at me. I’m soooo compassionate”.

270036 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Fruitbat, 8, #842 of 1914 🔗

This kind of made up drivel is common on facebook, etc and is designed to knock confidence in our own rational observations.

I hope you got to go out shopping barefaced, Fruitbat, and it reinforces your courage 🙂

270238 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #843 of 1914 🔗

Thank you! You’ve helped strengthen my resolve to hit the supermarket later with a bare face and a smile!

270038 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Fruitbat, 10, #844 of 1914 🔗

Nurse working in hospital during the winter nurses dying patients with a virus, what a shocker, does she not know this is what it’s normally like at this time of year, I wonder why she decided to go into nursing if she cant cope with this!

270049 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Fruitbat, 4, #845 of 1914 🔗

Yeah, I’m not going to give up my freedom and prosperity as well as that of my children because a nurse on the internet is upset. Those Facebook posts are irritating and aimed at idiots.

270053 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Fruitbat, 5, #846 of 1914 🔗

That looks like pure emotional manipulation to me. I would take that with an enormous pinch of salt. Be brave. Go for it. No customer has ever challenged me and I often have pleasant conversations with people who are fully muzzled up. I’ve only been asked on the door of a shop 3 times since these vile gags were made mandatory and always say, with a beaming smile, ‘I’m exempt’, and walk in with no bother.

270351 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Lili, #847 of 1914 🔗

Thanks Lili, that’s very encouraging. I feel strenthened in my resolve to give it a go.

270060 ▶▶ Tony Rattray, replying to Fruitbat, 2, #848 of 1914 🔗

Fruitbat, I recommend a career change – yoga teacher for all those individuals on full pay working from home?

270239 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Tony Rattray, #849 of 1914 🔗

Just to clarify, this is a post copied from Facebook. What is disturbing is how many postive responses stuff like this gets from the general public. Nothing remotely sceptical ever gets this kind of reponse. It is very frustrating how easily people are being played.

270089 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Fruitbat, 4, #850 of 1914 🔗

“We are your nurses. We are fighting but we are tired. Please do your part and we will do ours”

Like a soldier who becomes a conscientious objector upon the declaration of war, any “nurse” who doesn’t understand that there will be times when the going gets tough needs an alternative career.

270090 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fruitbat, 5, #851 of 1914 🔗

Whether this is true or not is not relevant

It’s anecdotal

Public health decisions must be made on the balance of evidence based on objective measures that balance harms and benefits

You can attack or justify almost anything on the basis of a single incident

Anyway, there’s no evidence that masks make any difference

270091 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Fruitbat, 4, #852 of 1914 🔗

apparently last night they lit up the Shard in tribute to the NHS. it is propaganda . like this facebook posting
and reading that tale she says “These patients are scared” of course they are. the most likely place for anyone to catch proper covid (and actually be ill from it) is hospital.  Imagine – you go in for an ingrowing toenail and die of covid

270103 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Fruitbat, 3, #853 of 1914 🔗

Sounds like 77th brigade nudging.

A real nurse would see people dying every shift. Its normal.

So I call 77th propaganda.

270107 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fruitbat, 3, #854 of 1914 🔗

Wearing a mask will not protect granny or anyone else.

270235 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #855 of 1914 🔗

Most of us know no one who has even had covid, therefore, it doesnt scare us. I know more people who have had cancer, who have died from cancer, but life has to go on, you can’t hide away, life is too short.

270332 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #856 of 1914 🔗

Courage, Fruitbat. Take off your mask. Do it in Waitrose, because that’s where I shop twice a week. I am never wearing a mask, and I am always alone in that. I look for other people with faces and I never see a single soul. If you took off your mask next time you’re there, we could smile at each other jubilantly.

270359 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Alethea, #857 of 1914 🔗

Thanks Alethea, thats really good to hear. I feel much more encoraged to go for it now! 🙂

270408 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Fruitbat, #858 of 1914 🔗

Charge nurse, assignment. Yanks.

269992 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 13, #859 of 1914 🔗

I passed by the bank yesterday and saw two women smoking outside. After finishing they dutifully put on their masks went inside the bank and made sure to sanitise their hands.

Just seemed a bit surreal to me.

270305 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2020, -1, #860 of 1914 🔗

People who work in bank must be bored shitless, no customers at all, all day every day, and the few they see are face-nappy zombies. What a life.
Smoking fags then wearing a face nappy, because you are worried about catching covids insane.
Smokers are much more likely to die from smoking than covids.

271073 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #861 of 1914 🔗

Did SAGE tell you that, 2-6 ? 🙂

271079 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, #862 of 1914 🔗

I would think SAGE actively encourage smoking. It will boost the death rates

271304 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #863 of 1914 🔗

There’s a term for a self-validating argument, but the nicotine has destroyed my brain so I can’t remember it.

Politicians, SAGE, academia, the media, the NHS, all disapprove of smoking. You reckon they tell the truth about some things, but not others ?

269996 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #864 of 1914 🔗

West Midlands Police at it again . I posted about this late last night so not all may have seen it. The DM version is https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8992649/Maskless-Farmfoods-customer-rows-police-issue-fine-despite-claims-exempt.html

270004 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to arfurmo, 1, #865 of 1914 🔗

I’ve printer out the exact guidance page so if I am ever stopped I will just quote that. They don’t have any comeback from that.

270013 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #866 of 1914 🔗

Good advice. MW

270011 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to arfurmo, 5, #867 of 1914 🔗

This is probably lazy journalists mining social media for ‘content’. I still think it’s a fake but even if it’s not, it’s spreading disinformation. You do not need to carry or show anything to show you are exempt and there is no such thing as a ‘real certificate’. If you want an exemption, look ATL and download and print one of the templates including the Government’s. Why does this video not show her exemption card?

In the unlikely event that some thick copper gives you a FPN, don’t pay it. If it came to court it would get thrown out. MW

270034 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #868 of 1914 🔗

I carry the government website list of exemptions with me. I have one of the cards from the website but I’m not going to use it. I’ve never had to but I won’t now as a matter of principle.

270041 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Lili, 1, #869 of 1914 🔗

That’s what we do too. A kind of ‘just in case’ precaution which, so far, we’ve not needed. The way we feel now, we would rather make yellow stars and wear them! MW

269999 richmond, replying to richmond, 4, #870 of 1914 🔗

I know how a vaccine works. You take the vaccine and it gives your body protection against the virus. So – and follow me closely here – the vaccine comes first. Then the virus.

But in this case we have had the virus. So the virus came first. Then – only then – do we have the vaccine. So can someone explain to me, what is the vaccine actually for?

270026 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to richmond, 5, #871 of 1914 🔗

Covering the govt’s arse and making it look like lockdowns are justified. Also making a fat dollar for the pharmaceutical companies.

270010 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to stefarm, 4, #873 of 1914 🔗

That’s next year’s Spanish holiday cancelled.

270018 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 2, #874 of 1914 🔗

Coming to a high street near you.

270027 ▶▶ chris, replying to stefarm, 4, #875 of 1914 🔗

Unfortunately, I suspect there will be more and more until simeone dies. There is a clear and planned escalation of violence against citizens. When do we stop accepting it? Friends of ours have already cancelled a 60th birthday meal due top Boris’s plans for next month despite the fact that none of us has the slightest health issue. They’re just obeying, sad..

270310 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, #876 of 1914 🔗

OMG, don’t click this, wish I hadn’t.

270006 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #877 of 1914 🔗

Tobias Elwood on the Jeremy Vine show explaining how tiers are essential but how his constituency, Bournemouth East, should be in tier 1.

In a bit Suzy Quattro will be telling Jeremy how she Survived the Covid she caught in the second wave !
Apparently it was because of her big lungs !

270015 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to karenovirus, 2, #878 of 1914 🔗

Arise, Sir Tobias!

270160 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #879 of 1914 🔗

Arse, Sir Tobias!

270020 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 3, #880 of 1914 🔗

That’s weird as for the past 9 months she has been posting pointless gigs of her pretending to sing from her big mansion on YouTube.

270046 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #881 of 1914 🔗

Fact check, I’m getting her mixed up with Toyah Willcox. Both equally as bad though

270024 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to karenovirus, 3, #882 of 1914 🔗

He’s my MP. If he had any ballsack he would declare Bournemouth East a sanctuary zone.

270048 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 4, #883 of 1914 🔗

Ellwood is 77b, what’s his game???

270132 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to stefarm, 2, #884 of 1914 🔗

Covering his own arse by protecting his constituency.

270029 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #885 of 1914 🔗

Anthem For Doomed Politicians

What passing bells for those who vote as cattle?
Only the monstrous anger of the rabble.
Only the stuttering rifles’ rapid rattle
Can snuff out their hasty useless prattle.

(apologies to Wilfred Owen)

The sands of time are running out for the bastards doing this to us all. Tick-tock, tick-tock…

270273 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #886 of 1914 🔗

They’re not doomed. They’re protected against the suffering they’re dishing out to us

270042 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 8, #888 of 1914 🔗

Cops ignore the law and issue fine on mask exempt person.

This must be escalated in visibility. I’m disgusted.

How to make cops enemies of the people…? – allow the top brass and the junior rank zealots to behave like junta state jack booted scum.


270064 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #889 of 1914 🔗

West Midlands Police, again. They have done this repeatedly and have had to issue public apologies for doing so. Each time they claim that their officers were acting ignorantly (although they do not use that word).

270085 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #890 of 1914 🔗

I’m with Miriam on this. It doesn’t ring true. I really hope it isn’t true. That force / service can’t be that terminally stupid.

270149 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #892 of 1914 🔗

Yes, that’s the earlier Sainsbury’s case which is why I hope they learned their lesson and did not repeat it at Farm Foods

270176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, #893 of 1914 🔗

On West Midlands Police Twitter they boast they are getting tough on people who do not wear masks in shops: https://twitter.com/wmpolice/status/1324397570249154571

270567 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, #894 of 1914 🔗

I’m afraid most forces have now been politicised to a greater or lesser extent and are likely to have career idiots running them.

Like I have mentioned elsewhere on this board, with respect to potential politicians, I think police officers (and certainly the upper brass) must only be recruited from people who have had significant experience working in normal jobs with some experience of life as experienced by the people they seek to police.

Chief Constables should not be those fast-tracked to top jobs with little or no real experience of the organisations they seek to “manage”.

270066 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #895 of 1914 🔗

See my other post, below. This started on Arsebook and looks suspiciously like staged fear-porn against non-mask wearers. I would suggest that it is ignored as it’s counterproductive. MW

270083 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #896 of 1914 🔗

Indeed, looks like the work of the behaviour insights team. Best to completely switch off from MSM, if everyone ignored them the country would be a far better place.

270214 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #897 of 1914 🔗

I don’t think the PCs are actors or that the episode was staged by WMP but regardless the message has to come out that there are no official exemption cards or doctor’s notes and if someone says they are exempt, then that is that.

270541 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to arfurmo, #898 of 1914 🔗

Maybe but I’m a bit suspicious that so many people have posted it on here separately over the last 2 days, complete with outraged comments and invitations to share. MW

270622 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #899 of 1914 🔗

Copy that. I don’t do MSM. Defunded BBC etc. Mrs 🦙 does scan daily mail online since they’ve done a bit of scepticism.
I’ll ignore it. Thank you for your advice.

270081 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #900 of 1914 🔗

I’m just remembering years ago when there weren’t enough police to tackle knife crime in London, and now all of a sudden there are numerous police officers persecuting innocent, law abiding citizens for breathing fresh air

That’s not policing – it’s brownshirt intimidation

270177 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #901 of 1914 🔗

What on Earth are these coppers playing at ? – so obviously a “power” thing I think.

Where did this mask fetish come from ?

270852 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #902 of 1914 🔗

Sue them.

270047 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #903 of 1914 🔗

So Wales had a lockdown (called a firebreak) to suppress the virus and it worked, so the Welsh government lifted the restrictions, but the Welsh people have been “behaving normally”, so the virus is “thriving”, and they must now have another lockdown to suppress the virus because it is “cruel”. According to Drakeford, all this is based on the advice of SAGE.

270095 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ben, 6, #905 of 1914 🔗

There are so many things that are wrong/absurd/mad with Drakeford’s claims that I frankly didn’t know where to start. For example, he appears to think that something that is not alive (the virus) has the capacity to thrive and has intentions and derives pleasure from inflicting suffering. Wales’ most senior politician, assuming he believes what he says he believes, is beyond delusional; and, according to him, he is getting all this (mis)information from the government’s scientific advisors.

270130 ▶▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #906 of 1914 🔗

he’s a politician, therefore a fuckwit. They all are. Seeking power should prohibit those people from attaining power. Perhaps going into politics should be treated as a civil duty like jury service? Choosing it as a career choice should be a huge red flag.

270146 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Neil Hartley, 2, #907 of 1914 🔗

Selecting members of the public at random to be representatives sounds like a good idea. I would add the frequent holding of referenda to decide major public policies.

270538 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Neil Hartley, #908 of 1914 🔗

Pathological liars, immune to facts. Courtesy of Mark Windows.

270546 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Neil Hartley, #909 of 1914 🔗

Not sure about that, having seen some of the people who end up doing jury service has put me off that idea! Lol!

When you look at how many sheeple rely on the MSM for their “facts”, it might not be the best way to get sensible government.

I do think all politicians should have had some significant experience working in proper jobs before going into politics, preferably having started near the “bottom” and seen what actually makes success for the business whilst understanding how real people make it work.

We don’t need people who left Uni. and became lackeys for an MP etc before putting themselves up to represent the rest of us.

They might then have the brains to make decisions that are more beneficial for the people who vote for them.

Far too much to hope I know.

270179 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Hayes, #910 of 1914 🔗

Following the plan. No brain function to tell him to do otherwise.

270055 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 19, #911 of 1914 🔗

Things are looking good on the Lockdown Tory revolt. Very good chance Bozo will lose Commons vote without Labour support.

270114 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to OKUK, 7, #912 of 1914 🔗

I hope you are right.

270270 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, 2, #913 of 1914 🔗

I suspect moves are afoot somewhere… Sir Graham Brady just on lunchtime news, a tad restrained but clearly not on board with Gov measures. He is a heavyweight & his presence anywhere is not insignificant.

270109 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to calchas, 4, #915 of 1914 🔗

The censorship of anything that doesn’t support the ‘killer virus’ narrative is disturbing. The JHU article actually stressed that Covid was serious, but clearly that wasn’t enough for the powers that be. It seems that anything that might lead people to question the Government’s response to the ‘crisis’ has to be removed from the public domain.

270524 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DJ Dod, #916 of 1914 🔗

Covid-19 was a test case. The next virus scamdemic will be worse. Nip it in the bud now or suffer even more in the near future.

270068 Bill Gisz, replying to Bill Gisz, 4, #917 of 1914 🔗

Issue 12 (November 2020) of ‘The Critic’ carried, as it’s lead story, an article about the different ‘cognitive frame of reference’ discernible in those who enthusiastically embrace lockdown/face masks/politician’s and expert’s lies/dodgy-data. It’s well worth reading on an ‘know your enemy’ basis.

Sorry I don’t have a link to an on-line version of ‘Welcome to Covidworld’.

270086 ▶▶▶ Bill Gisz, replying to JVS, #919 of 1914 🔗

Yes! Thanks JVS.

270525 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JVS, #920 of 1914 🔗

Covid World Theme Park.

270071 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 43, #921 of 1914 🔗

This has broken me today. I have had to send the following to everyone I know who might be able to help. I didn’t want to identify the school but if anyone knows of a similar story please comment. I’m devastated. I love this child:

My friend’s son attends XX Primary School in X. She and a number of parents have noticed their children (aged 4-5 years old) are scratching their eyes and complaining about being “very cold”. This is because the school is keeping windows open. Dust from the nearby construction site (including metal dust) is coming into the classroom.

It is child abuse of the highest degree. Teachers must urgently be reassured that children DO NOT pose a risk to them. In present circumstances teachers pose a grave risk to children! There is no child-to-adult transmission of SARS-Cov-2 so NO justification for treating children like this. It is an abuse of their human rights, their right to an education and to be protected from harm. What happened to FIRST DO NO HARM?!

These children must be protected urgently. The school MUST close all windows and keep the children comfortable. This should be rectified on Monday morning. It is despicable and unforgivable that children are being made to suffer like this.

270074 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 22, #922 of 1914 🔗

Identify the school

270084 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #923 of 1914 🔗

When I was a caretaker at a school the room had to be a certain temperature,I can’t remember the exact temp,if it was not the teacher could and did refuse to teach in said classroom, particularly in the winter this is a health and safety issue and laws apply..

270092 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #924 of 1914 🔗

Is that still the case? I know we were sent home once or twice when the boiler broke or there were power cuts.

270112 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steph, 4, #925 of 1914 🔗

Not sure Steph but I would think so, every winter I had teachers with thermometers and as soon as the temp dropped they were on the case, some refusing to teach, always ready to quote health and safety regulations..

270093 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #926 of 1914 🔗

But it’s the hysterical teachers insisting on this! Not caring how the children suffer.

270110 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #927 of 1914 🔗

Contact your local paper – I’m sure they’d love a bit of bad news

270165 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #928 of 1914 🔗

Not surprised some teachers I’m not saying all are quite frankly a bunch of stuck up assholes, appears this school has more than it’s fare share…

270158 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #929 of 1914 🔗

16 degrees C.

“Temperatures in the indoor workplace are covered by the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992, which place a legal obligation on employers to provide a ‘reasonable’ temperature in the workplace.

Minimum workplace temperature The Approved Code of Practice suggests the minimum temperature in a workplace should normally be at least 16 degrees Celsius. If the work involves rigorous physical effort, the temperature should be at least 13 degrees Celsius. These temperatures are not absolute legal requirements; the employer has a duty to determine what reasonable comfort will be in the particular circumstances.

Higher workplace temperaturesA meaningful figure cannot be given at the upper end of the scale due to the high temperatures found in, for example, glass works or foundries. In such environments it is still possible to work safely provided appropriate controls are present. Factors other than air temperature, ie radiant temperature, humidity and air velocity, become more significant and the interaction between them become more complex with rising temperatures.

Risk assessmentIn addition to the Workplace Regulations, the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 require employers to make a suitable assessment of the risks to the health and safety of their employees, and take action where necessary and where reasonably practicable.

The temperature of the workplace is one of the potential hazards that employers should address to meet their legal obligations. Employers should consult with employees or their representatives to establish sensible means to cope with high temperatures.”

Link: https://www.hse.gov.uk/temperature/law.htm

270174 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to RichardJames, 1, #930 of 1914 🔗

Yes I remember now thanks for posting this information.

270323 ▶▶▶ Ndovu, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #931 of 1914 🔗

We had an open fire in the classroom when I was at primary school……..

270128 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #932 of 1914 🔗


Please contact Us for Them about this. Really important they know. They may offer help or guidance. It’s also excellent case to help them progress their work in caring for children further.


Thanks x

270141 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #933 of 1914 🔗

I have just sent it to them!

270133 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, -16, #934 of 1914 🔗

Actually, ventilation is one of the few interventions that might be beneficial. One of the reasons the viruses ‘disappear’ over the summer is likely due to people spending more time outside and keeping doors and windows when at home.

Care Homes & hospitals are generally poorly ventilated.

270143 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mayo, 2, #935 of 1914 🔗

Missing the point about child abuse entirely! But not many people care about children, sadly!

270155 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, -2, #936 of 1914 🔗

I’m not missing the point at all. The classrooms can be ‘aired’ during break periods.

270735 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mayo, 1, #937 of 1914 🔗

Nonsense. The reduction in infections in the summer months is entirely due to the increase in harsh sunlight with consequent production of Vitamin D3 in the skin.

270144 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mayo, 7, #938 of 1914 🔗

Inappropriate comment here – did you not read the OP?

270152 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Mayo, 3, #939 of 1914 🔗

Yes that is true. But cold draughts is not a good environment for learning in. By all means have windows ajar but then provide additional heating as well.

270163 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to William Hand, -3, #940 of 1914 🔗

I was going to add that the classrooms can be aired during break periods but I couldn’t edit the comment.

In Germany they do something similar.

270194 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mayo, 4, #941 of 1914 🔗

Understood that you meant no harm by your comment. We are all a little over-sensitive at the moment. Particularly, for me, when it comes to children. I can’t see past the outrage I feel at the needless harm done to them.

270649 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mayo, 1, #942 of 1914 🔗

German parents and children are also complaining about being cold and how the teachers are bedwetters.

270543 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mayo, #943 of 1914 🔗

There should be stringent standards for care homes. Most, though, were created for maximum profits, not for maximum comfort.

270147 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #944 of 1914 🔗

Which school?

270154 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #945 of 1914 🔗

Additional potential contacts:

Local council environmental health to get the building site closed immediately. They won’t so will have to get the school to close the windows instead?

Local paper – any publicity can only help.

This is complete madness, the poor little things.

270452 ▶▶ dhid, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #946 of 1914 🔗

“…. Dust from the nearby construction site (including metal dust) is coming into the classroom….”

That most certainly is an issue, probably more important than the temperature.

That’s why dust masks are worn by the building trades.

Not that I would want some pillock to get the kids to wear masks, just to use common sense and shut the bloody windows!

Oh no! I just said “common sense”, silly me…….

270098 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 20, #947 of 1914 🔗

Had a large, heavy envelope delivered this morning, coming from the Welsh Government Assembly, inviting me to participate in their “coronavirus survey.” Returned to sender, sans postage stamp, with the message: “Get tested, get locked down. Was not born yesterday.”

270172 ▶▶ Henry, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #948 of 1914 🔗

You’ll be added to the +ve list and sent a self isolation request for the audacity

270108 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #949 of 1914 🔗

Just returned from the shops (wearing my lepers bell), the shop assistant was wearing a clear plastic face mask (not a visor), a bit like a pair of spectacles but with a mask on. There was no obvious filtration system and there was a gap of about a centimetre around this face and mask. I couldn’t be bothered to ask how effective the mask was at stopping viruses as I already know.

270505 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Smelly Melly, #950 of 1914 🔗

I also saw a shop assistant wearing something like what you describe the other day. All it needs now is some flowery patterns and it’ll be the latest “must have” among some people

270118 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 19, #951 of 1914 🔗

Email to my MP


Every prediction concerning hospitalisations and deaths that would ensue from “Covid-19” have been shot to smithereens.

A glance at the numbers of hospitalisations and deaths, irrespective of cause, shows that this year’s numbers are in line with what would be expected at this time of year. They also show that Lockdowns and mask wearing have no noticeable effect.

The use of the PCR test for diagnosing infections of Covid-19 is invalid, particularly when the prevalence of the disease is low (as it has been for several months) and conflating the results with clinical cases is fraudulent.

The low prevalence of the disease means there is no need whatsoever for mass vaccination, particularly as none of the vaccines being developed will not, reportedly, stop vulnerable people from being infected. Some claims have been made that they will mitigate the effects, but there are effective, safe, inexpensive, early-stage interventions such as Hydroxychloroquine treatments available, but these are, obtusely, denied us by our malfeasant “government”.

It is clear that the present low prevalence of the disease has been brought about solely by our Immune Systems, which, unlike vaccines, have no side effects. The government is seeking to secure a new AI computer system to track the side effects of the novel Covid-19 vaccines. From the wording of the tender document it is clear that they are expecting a large number of side effects.

The vast sums of money that have been pledged to so-called charities with interests in vaccines and the further vast sums given to companies creating and manufacturing vaccines, together with the monitoring software amounts to a grotesque waste of the nation’s wealth. All for vaccines that are not needed. THERE ARE HIGHTLY EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS.

A glance at the state of the economy, employment figures, business closures, government debt, and other indicators makes clear that the impact of the government’s restrictions have been disastrous. IT IS TIME TO BRING AN END TO ALL THE GOVERNMENT’S COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS.

Please do not disappoint me by supporting the latest proposed Tier 3 proposals for Kent. Please work for me, for my family and friends, for your constituents, for Kent, for the country, for the world by making it your mission to REPEAL THE CORONAVIRUS ACT. Yes, it is this important.

Very best wishes

270137 ▶▶ steph, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #952 of 1914 🔗

Good letter. If only any of our MPs actually read or understood the letters we send before chucking back a boilerplate response.

270258 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to steph, #953 of 1914 🔗

They read it. If you make it crystal clear you are a constituent (eg. put address &/or phone no. at the top or bottom) they do read it; even if you subsequently get a c&p reply. Personally I have adapted my response a bit, so generally try to keep it readable, ie. under 1 page, and don’t throw out dozens of statistics in one go, try to focus on 1-2 of your very strongest points.

I often conclude by pointing out that their constituents are paying attention – even if you have a quick chat to someone at the bus stop & they’re not happy, you can legitimately say that concerned numbers in your town, village, are substantially rising – and point out that, as the PCR test is not capable of justifying infectious individuals, they are basically complicit in a fraud, & that this will be remembered when they ask the people to put faith in them again, even more so if they’re Labour & stand by a banner saying, ‘for the many, not the few’.

270120 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #954 of 1914 🔗

If Rishi does cut LHA (for housing benefit) and universal credit from April.. as it seems he is going to.. there is going to be carnage right? All to save a billion or two.. just incredible.. spend billions and billions on unnecessary testing etc and then pull the rug from under peoples feet by saving a billion or two.

270136 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 4, #955 of 1914 🔗


This is an act of war.. Millions will starve and become homeless.

None of this tragedy has been caused by a virus – but by government policy

270142 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to chaos, 1, #956 of 1914 🔗

I’m waiting for him to levy serious taxes on the rich.

270624 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich -, #957 of 1914 🔗

A multi-millionaire Finance Minister. Not good.

270161 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to chaos, 3, #958 of 1914 🔗

Following the plan. Everyone dependent on the state and Bill Gates & Co.

270168 ▶▶ merlin, replying to chaos, 8, #959 of 1914 🔗
270222 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to chaos, 3, #960 of 1914 🔗

Prepare for a rationing of riot fuel – Stella, Vodka and Red Bull.

270125 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 17, #961 of 1914 🔗

Arcadia group about to appoint administration. So that’s how many jobs on SAGE at risk ? Oh. None.

270131 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Leemc23, 3, #962 of 1914 🔗

And they’ve had loads of handouts thus far.

270148 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Leemc23, 13, #963 of 1914 🔗

This is when it starts to hurt all those comfy pensioners and middle class WFH’s – these insolvencies (because there will be more of them) also lead to the company’s pension funds having to go into the PPF (Pension Protection Fund) which leads to a cut in benefits to the pensioners and scheme members. The PPF is actively worried about this as their previous contingency planning has never covered such a scenario. A few big pension schemes going bust will really put the cat amongst the pigeons. Arcadia and BHS pension scheme deficits are close to £1bn and Green negotiated with the Pensions Regulator last year to defer the recovery payments he was supposed to be making to get rid of the deficit.

270186 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to vargas99, 1, #964 of 1914 🔗

Should focus the mind of a few bedwetters!

270322 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to vargas99, #965 of 1914 🔗

It would be the way to get rid of the last private sector DB schemes, blaming COVID for it.

270430 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Leemc23, 2, #966 of 1914 🔗

The Scientific Advisors for Guesswork and Exaggeration will never be out of work my friend.

270641 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Leemc23, #967 of 1914 🔗

Which shops will be left to buy clothes? I mean, physical shops?

270134 Lars Iyer, 56, #968 of 1914 🔗

A marvellous encounter. A woman carrying a large sign saying ‘I’ve had enough, had you?’ We stopped to talk, two lockdown sceptics. We discussed the great work of Ivor Cummings, Sunetra Gupta and others, our disappointment with the Left, our horror at masks, censorship, the plausibility of the Great Reset …
We introduced ourselves. Val told me she’s been carrying her sign around for months. It’s all she can do, she said. She’s received unpleasant abuse – though as we spoke, a bus driver gave her a cheery wave! – but she persists, day after day, walking the streets, carrying her placard.
I told her that my wife, Sinead Murphy, has written for Lockdown Sceptics and has received, as a result, emails from people all over the world – people who are as disgusted as we are, but people who are also lonely and depressed. I told Val I had just been to town for the first time in months and was outraged at what covid-19 overreaction has done to our city (Newcastle). Masks everywhere, even outside. Shops shuttered, some closed forever. I told her I’d felt powerless and alone … but then I’d seen her placard.
How wonderful that Val exists, carrying her placard, a true heroine of our time.

270138 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 35, #969 of 1914 🔗

Just been out for a lunchtime run, had the fall on my headphones. As I ran past the local co-op and seeing a queue of faceless shoppers channeling my inner Mark E Smith I shouted WAKE UP PEOPLE, JUST SAY NO, JUST SAY NO PEOPLE!!

Will make fuck all difference but made feel a bit better.

270153 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to stefarm, 6, #970 of 1914 🔗

Kings Cross tomorrow, Noon.

270169 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #971 of 1914 🔗

I’m in Edinburgh, if I was still in London I would be there with you all. Will be at hollyrood next week

270343 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to PastImperfect, #972 of 1914 🔗

If you are trying to target train users note that there is some of the station upgrade work going on this weekend. The station is not closed but a reduced service is operating. But presumably the intention is to move on from there, Euston a target? Doing other things myself but hope it achieves its goals.

270157 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stefarm, 1, #973 of 1914 🔗

Sounds a bit like Withnail shouting at schoolgirls “Scrubbers!”

270211 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Waldorf, 1, #974 of 1914 🔗

“Little tarts, they love it!!!”

270178 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to stefarm, 4, #975 of 1914 🔗

‘New face in hell’ seems particularly relevant at the moment

A prickly line of sweat covers enthusiast’s forehead as the realization hits him that the same government him and his now dead neighbor voted for and backed and talked of on cream porches have tricked him into their war against the people

270260 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #976 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely love The Fall 👍

270496 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to PompeyJunglist, 2, #977 of 1914 🔗

Saw them about once a year from 1979 through to around 1984, and a couple of times thereafter. I have most of their singles and albums up to Extricate (1990). After that I didn’t buy their stuff but I taped things if John Peel played them.

270262 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #978 of 1914 🔗

I wonder what mark e Smith would of made of this charade we find ourselves living in

270268 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 1, #979 of 1914 🔗

I think he’d have been a raving sceptic from Day 1

270393 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 1, #980 of 1914 🔗

You did good, friend.
Maybe, just perhaps, one person might wake up as a result. It’s always worth trying.

271010 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, #981 of 1914 🔗

I hope so, I honestly couldn’t help it, just seeing them standing there made me so angry. I’ve also been out sticking flyers under car windscreen wipers and at bus stops

270150 Neil Hartley, 17, #982 of 1914 🔗

An e-mail on this week’s Planet Normal podcast was from Lucy who works for 111. She said that for the last 2 weeks, 111 have been telling callers “who are comfortably managing their symptoms at home” to go to hospital. Need more hospital admissions obviously. To think people with genuine illnesses are going untreated and left to rot/die.

270151 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 11, #983 of 1914 🔗

As a professional word malleability specialist I can reveal that the entire vocabulary of the Govt narrative has been subjected to torsional strength testing and found to be twisted beyond the breaking point of meaning. The Goebbels Institute protocols have been breached and many of the words involved now appear broken beyond repair. You have been warmed.

Am preparing to leave for Lon-don, there to join with others of a like mind on the morrow, although uncertain of the exact location and would be grateful for any up to date information from anyone in the know.

270156 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #984 of 1914 🔗

Kings Cross 12 noon
See ya there

270164 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to vargas99, 3, #985 of 1914 🔗

Thanks, look forward to it.

270167 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #986 of 1914 🔗

Maybe we could meet up? How would we find one another – any suggestions?

270175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Alice, 3, #987 of 1914 🔗

Been thinking about that, a LS placard or the like might work but not sure I have time as it’s a 450 mile round trip for me and need to leave soon.

270189 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #988 of 1914 🔗

If I’m there tomorrow, I’ll try to bring a sheet of paper with LS written on it. We may be able to find each other, but that depends how big the crowd is. I tried that in Trafalgar Square, but it was impossible to find anyone in the crowd, and my “placard” was too small…

270208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Alice, 4, #989 of 1914 🔗

OK. Me 6’3″, brown hair with plenty grey, brown eyes, specs, olive green jacket, blue jeans. 17 yo daughter 5’5″ longish brown hair. Possibly accompanied by either 1 or 2 similarly ageing male friends. You never know…

270906 ▶▶ gina, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #990 of 1914 🔗

Good luck.

270159 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 10, #991 of 1914 🔗

How come West Sussex was in tier 1 before lockdown #2 and will be in tier 2 afterwards. Is this not the most obvious proof that lockdowns don’t work?

270162 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Neil Hartley, 6, #992 of 1914 🔗

Proof is irrelevant

270171 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Neil Hartley, 4, #993 of 1914 🔗

And Suffolk etc, etc. Bozo’s ass is surely now due for ass-assi-by-the-nation: get in line folks

270188 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Neil Hartley, 6, #994 of 1914 🔗

Nearly half the population of England is in the same boat. As I’ve said many times recently, we are in a post-logic era.

270191 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to leggy, 6, #995 of 1914 🔗

And the post-logic narrative is: if the numbers (deaths, hospitalisations, cases, the R number) go down, it proves lockdowns, face masks social distancing rules work; and if the numbers go up, it proves that more draconian measures/enforcement is needed. Whatever the evidence, more lockdowns, face masks, social distancing is the answer

270428 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #996 of 1914 🔗

If banging your head against the wall makes your head ache, bang your head harder.

270688 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #997 of 1914 🔗

A classic case of what Karl Popper described as an unfalsifiable theory. There are no circumstances in which it can be proved false. (My philosophical contribution for the evening).

270203 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Neil Hartley, -19, #998 of 1914 🔗

Tier 1 doesn’t work. Hospital admissions doubled every 7-10 days in Tier 1. Shown in SW and SE before lockdown. It takes about a week to see the effect on cases, two weeks for admissions and three weeks for deaths. SE and SE admissions now turning over. Tier 1 isn’t lockdown.

270264 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to djaustin, 5, #999 of 1914 🔗

Anything above Tier Zero (normal) is Lockdown.

If you’re talking about what flavours of Lockdown work to stop the spread of the virus, that’s a different matter. Evidence suggests that not much actually “works”.

270308 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to djaustin, 3, #1000 of 1914 🔗

So how come cases in a lot of northern areas continued to rise despite being essentially locked down all summer? They are only falling now because the virus has been and done its thing.

What is Tier 1 then? Just a few silly rules? What makes a lockdown a lockdown? It is all just restrictions of varying degrees given different names to makes us grateful for the return of any of our usual freedoms.

270300 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Neil Hartley, 2, #1001 of 1914 🔗

I’m in herts and we’re the same. Tier 1, then lockdown, now Tier 2. Might as well still be in lockdown as far as I’m concerned, if it’s illegal for me to visit my own friends and family.

270166 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #1002 of 1914 🔗

Just found on an NHS ad on Facebook


The “don’t worry it’s going to be safe” assurance. I suppose people trust the NHS more than the government.

Lots of comments about how they’d trust it if their GP recommended it for them. What does the GP know? Absolutely nothing more than we can know ourselves. In fact some are positively sounding like drug pushers right now.

A friend of mine who is a GP says she wants and expects 65 million, 100% take up because everyone is susceptible. That’s how much you can trust a GP. She has her facts totally wrong!

270184 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #1003 of 1914 🔗

A few weeks ago, I had a GP ask me what he could do to stop the keyboard on the Macbook in his office being destroyed by the alcohol based cleaner he was using to disinfect it. I kid you not. I told him exactly how he could avoid it.

270206 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to leggy, 6, #1004 of 1914 🔗

That made me laugh and also reminds me of my friend who is a GP. She would say the same.

I’m not sure, from my experience of GPs, they are very good at critical thinking. Yet many have a patriarchal, know-it-all attitude and condescending manner when you ask them a question. I don’t speak for all of them, but that’s often been my experience.

Do they think when I ask a question I think I’m asking for a right answer or God-like finality? No… I’m just asking for their view point, in their experience.

270232 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to leggy, 3, #1005 of 1914 🔗

I well remember a “manager” where I worked ; when presented with a brand new company car boasted with out any sense of irony that he “knew very well” when to top up the oil and water.
He said : ” Of course I do, it’s when the red lights light up on the dashboard”

270243 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1006 of 1914 🔗

That’s quite a profound analogy for the NHS, Phil.

270248 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to JohnB, #1007 of 1914 🔗

Again, we rest our case.

270190 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Country Mumkin, 18, #1008 of 1914 🔗

I’m afraid of the NHS. I personally won’t be having an experimental vaccine that’s been rushed through safety testing protocols, awarded indemnity and is predicted to cause unpleasant side effects for a virus that is harmless to the vast majority of people.

270329 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 2, #1009 of 1914 🔗

Many people in it mean well, but as an organisation it is to be feared now. They seem to have a siege mentality, and it has become the centre of their lives and the beast must be fed and protected at all costs. One reason for it to be radically changed so that it becomes less of a sacred cow, a bit like the huge US military. It tends to blind reason on all sides.

270221 ▶▶ David, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1010 of 1914 🔗

Kate McCann was, apparently, a GP. I base my assessment of the profession on that fact.

270242 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to David, #1011 of 1914 🔗

That’s nasty. She and her cardiologist husband made a stupid mistake. Their daughter and they have paid for it dreadfully

270290 ▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to steph, 7, #1012 of 1914 🔗

Doesn’t stop the fact they left their 3 children alone in an unlocked holiday apartment, quickly set up a “fighting fund”, got lawyers and PR involved, all within a few hours of them noticing the disappearance.

270324 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Mark H, 2, #1013 of 1914 🔗

At the time I said it was a bloody stupid thing to do. I also disagreed vehemently with the “we’ve all done it” brigade because most of us haven’t. I believe they made a dreadful mistake not that they were complicit.

270373 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steph, 4, #1014 of 1914 🔗

No stupid mistake at all. Guilty as sin. Their conduct says it all. They haven’t paid at all they should be in prison. They are pathological liars. You need to really acquaint yourself with the real facts..

270991 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1015 of 1914 🔗
270296 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Country Mumkin, #1016 of 1914 🔗

She does know that children are not supposed to have it, I hope?!

271058 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Country Mumkin, #1017 of 1914 🔗

Don’t worry, be happy.
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270185 merlin, replying to merlin, 6, #1018 of 1914 🔗


Escape to Brazil, just make sure they do not use dominion software for elections.

270197 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to merlin, #1019 of 1914 🔗

The only problem with that is the too most palpably dangerous cities I’ve ever been to are Sao Paulo and Rio! Move to small town Brazil might work, though…

270259 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to kenadams, 4, #1020 of 1914 🔗

Rio and Sao Paulo dangerous?

Surely, a mask will protect you?

270453 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to calchas, #1021 of 1914 🔗

Not from Mr 9mm

270753 ▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Jaguarpig, #1022 of 1914 🔗

Bits of Sao Paulo are the only place I’ve been in daylight where I felt properly, genuinely on edge. It had a malevolent air.

270404 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to kenadams, 1, #1023 of 1914 🔗


270199 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to merlin, #1024 of 1914 🔗

It seems strange to make a statement like that when surely he must know the PCR tests are creating this nonsense?

270193 Liam, replying to Liam, 12, #1025 of 1914 🔗

Afternoon all. Given Farr’s Law that “The death rate is a fact, anything beyond this is an inference”, ‘m pasting here the monthly death totals for England and Wales from Jan 2018 to the October just finished so you can see them at a glance and refer to them if needed. Hope it formats OK.


Jan: 64,154 Feb: 49,177 Mar: 51,229       Apr: 46,464 May: 42,784 June: 39,767

July: 40,723    Aug: 40,192   Sept: 37,137     Oct: 44,440    Nov:43,978   Dec: 41,539


Jan: 53,190 Feb: 45,795 Mar43,944 Apr: 44,121 May: 44,389 Jun: 38,603

Jul: 42,308 Aug: 38,843 Sep: 40,011 Oct: 46,238    Nov: 45,219 Dec: 47,460


Jan: 56,706   Feb: 43,653  Mar: 49,723   Apr: 88,153 May: 52,374 Jun: 42,624

Jul: 40,780 Aug: 37,187 Sep: 42,500 Oct: 46,296

Link here if anyone wants to see them at source


270226 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Liam, 4, #1026 of 1914 🔗

The folowing compare sall-cause mortality in Germany 2018 vs 2020.

You notice the flu wave in 2018, but no covid wave in 2020. This is because Germany did not chuck tens of thousands of patients out of hospital in the Spring, as theUK did, thus producing the large number of deaths in April/May.


270285 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Liam, 2, #1027 of 1914 🔗

For comparison and context in E/W 2019 there were on average 53,364 live births per month. We do not have the birth figures for 2020 because they suspended the registrtion of births but if 2020 is similar to 2019 then we will again, despite the effects of Covid, have more live births than deaths.

270362 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Liam, 1, #1028 of 1914 🔗


270212 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, 44, #1029 of 1914 🔗

Some studio work today with a bunch of people I don’t know that well: All very middle class, middle England types who I thought would be pro-lockdown. They were talking about gigging next year and I said that I didn’t think there would gigs next year and that was because I didn’t think it was about a virus it was about social engineering.

Was expecting to be shot down and had to explain I wasn’t a conspiracy theorist – but before I’d finished one of them “yes I think they are trying to create a police state” and two of the other three said they thought the same.

The kind of people they are; if they think this then I suspect a hell of a lot people are starting to think that way.

Personally I think there is a massive revolt waiting to burst through – people are holding off because of the vaccine, but when that fails (or when it becomes clear it isn’t what it claims to be) i think something is going to happen that – rather like Brexit – is going to take the Government and their pollsters completely by surprise. Very normal, educated middle Englanders are much, much more angry than they think.

270230 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Jakehadlee, 23, #1030 of 1914 🔗

A previously very compliant sort I know said to me yesterday that it all just needs to stop, right now.

270280 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Liam, 9, #1031 of 1914 🔗

He is right but it stops when we say so, reflecting on my shouting at the zombies queuing outside the local co-op earlier today, why queue, just walk in on masse, what are the staff going to do?? Call the police. So what, by the time they arrive they could of paid for their shopping. If it was some woke BLM or save the whale demo there would be a sit in protest but they all dutifully queue for their pint of milk and loaf of bread.

Maybe we need to reflect the image back to them and show them how it was the same in East Germany and Russia.

270824 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, 1, #1032 of 1914 🔗

Send them photos and eyewitness accounts. Tell them that you will not accept living that way in England’s Green and Pleasant Land.

270831 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1033 of 1914 🔗

These people have lost their innate Englishness. They have been corrupted by The Global Mind Virus.

270233 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jakehadlee, 16, #1034 of 1914 🔗

“Personally I think there is a massive revolt waiting to burst through – people are holding off because of the vaccine,”

This. Exactly.

270283 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Jakehadlee, 3, #1035 of 1914 🔗

As I said earlier: I think this carries on till May. If this carry-on is still carrying on then, as the weather improves, and the snake-oil is being doled out in quantity, there’ll be no holding people back.

270484 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #1036 of 1914 🔗

Finding the same. Medics think we’ll be back to normal after vax. When that doesn’t happen could cause an issue for which everyone else may be blamed but then the dam may break.

270813 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jakehadlee, #1037 of 1914 🔗
270820 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1038 of 1914 🔗

I started browsing the comments on this Twitter page. Mostly denouncing them and calling them typical Boomers, What a load of nasty people. Yuk!
That’s what Twitter has become. An outlet for point ones and malcontent morons.

270225 Jo, 5, #1039 of 1914 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted – from Claire Craig’s twitter feed


About concerns over safety of vaccine

270227 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 12, #1040 of 1914 🔗

Boris Johnson has just stood there (to justify the tiers) ” the problem is 1 out of 3 are asymptomatic and maybe spreading…” Here is a study from Wuhun itself ( & apology if posted already) which confirms that this is NOT TRUE.

“There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases..”


270240 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Suzyv, 6, #1041 of 1914 🔗

Coughs and sneezes spread diseases.

We’ve known this for centuries.

270387 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to leggy, 2, #1042 of 1914 🔗

Covid, though it’s a disease,
Is not denoted by a sneeze,
And it’s the silliest of piffle
To stop the Cosmos for a sniffle.

270244 ▶▶ steph, replying to Suzyv, 10, #1043 of 1914 🔗

There is just a constant stream of lies now.

270247 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Suzyv, 9, #1044 of 1914 🔗

Last week Boris told the House that seventy percent of transmission of the virus is asymptomatic. Rather than cite any evidence, he simply added: “as you all know”.

270252 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1045 of 1914 🔗

Reminds me of the phrase used by the illiterate Dothraki savages in Game of Thrones: “It is known” (which is then immediately parroted by those listening).

270291 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Liam, 2, #1046 of 1914 🔗

Or as BJ likes to say, “It is a fact”.

270503 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Steve Hayes, #1047 of 1914 🔗

So will members of the HoC all have to wear hazmat gear in the event they risk transmission of asymptomatic viral infections, asymptomatic tuberculosis, diphtheria, bronchitis,……?

270295 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Suzyv, 12, #1048 of 1914 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible

~ Dr. Michael Yeadon: Former Pfizer Vice President

270585 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Suzyv, #1049 of 1914 🔗

Also WHO clearly stated there was not one known case on the world where someone who is asymptomatic (I.e. who hasn’t got the virus) has transmitted it to a
Anyone. Didn’t any MPs question him on this?

270899 ▶▶ gina, replying to Suzyv, #1050 of 1914 🔗

Perhaps someone should send Mr. Piffle this – clearest explanation of the non sense of asymptomatic transmission I have heard.

270250 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 24, #1051 of 1914 🔗

I have no interest in covid now, it’s a political tool for Johnson, Hancock and friends. I know more people who have had cancer, who have died from cancer. They wanted to live longer but the NHS didnt stop for them. Life has to go on, you can’t hide away, life is too short. The politicians don’t care now, follow the rhetoric, don’t follow the rhetoric, its all the same to them.

270254 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1052 of 1914 🔗

I am interested in covid solely as a sociopolitical phenomenon

270253 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 5, #1053 of 1914 🔗

Flu wiped off the face of the earth it seems: https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=6

270265 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1054 of 1914 🔗

Well, flu was getting a bit boring wasn’t it?

Let’s try and think of a new name for it, shall we?

Something haunting and redolent of doom. Perhaps with a number attached to it, to give it that science-fictiony feel.

270269 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to calchas, 3, #1055 of 1914 🔗

Surely that’s all people need to look at to realise something fishy is going on?

270274 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to calchas, 2, #1056 of 1914 🔗

Also, is there potential that countries for some reason aren’t sharing this info with the WHO anymore? Those graphs would seemingly be useless if for instance figures were only provided every 6-12 months for instance.

270289 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to calchas, #1057 of 1914 🔗

The numbering system is genius because it allows it to be updated every year – even if covid-19 eventually goes away, it can just be replaced with the even more deadly covid-20.

270293 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to A. Contrarian, #1058 of 1914 🔗

Patched, updated, all the while strssing product continuity.

Aah, marketing genius.

270301 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to A. Contrarian, #1059 of 1914 🔗

I’ve actually spent the last 20 minutes trying to find a way to contact the WHO to ask them how these numbers are collected, and how often. There website is broken when you to try to look up the European centres. I then found 2 numbers for 2 universities that apparently contribute and both are straight to answer machine.

270303 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1060 of 1914 🔗
270267 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #1061 of 1914 🔗

Can anyone point to some research that tells me why a virus is seasonal? On the hysterical Vine show on R2 he cited Bournemouth beach as an example of how the Brits cannot control themselves. But as far as I am aware there was no spike in infections or deaths around then, or when 2 million visited the south west in the summer.
Then, lo and behold, the virus re-emerged in October/ November. Why is this? Should I ask Ivor Cummins?

270276 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Bill Hickling, 6, #1062 of 1914 🔗

I am assuming that it has something to do with each virus type having optimal conditions of hunidity and temperature for its spread.

A sort of niche to which it has adapted.

Sort of like lobbyists, politically correct types and the Westminster bubble have adaptd to huge dollops of taxpayer money lying around, allowing them optimal conditions to reproduce.

270335 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to calchas, 2, #1063 of 1914 🔗

And like the wikipedia articles says, also likely due to lower vitamin D etc. We get very little vitamin D from food. We make vitamin D during the sunny months and store it for winter. Yet in the summer months too many of us cover ourselves with lotions that prevent UVA-B (needed for vitamin D production) from reaching our skin.

Most colds and flus originate in China due to climate, population numbers, and other factors such as vitamin D deficiency.

In Iran, after the revolution in 1979, MS and other illnesses increased in women who were now forced to cover up. Google images ‘Iran women 1970s’ to see the freedom Iranian women used to have. Vitamin D deficiency is thought to have been a factor.

Vitamin D is not a vitamin.. it is a hormone..

270490 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chaos, #1064 of 1914 🔗

Most colds and flus originate in China

How do you know this?

270299 ▶▶ Will, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #1065 of 1914 🔗

My understanding is they don’t definitively know. For what it is worth, the theory with which I happen to agree, is that the cold coronavirus is always present but our immune systems deal with it much more easily when it is at full strength in the summer sun. Might be nonsense, but whatever the reason, this coronavirus doesn’t seem to behave any differently to any other coronavirus.

270320 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 1, #1066 of 1914 🔗

Well I am willing to bet there are people who have developed colds in the last couple of months despite not having been anywhere near anyone else

270333 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Julian, #1067 of 1914 🔗
270318 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #1068 of 1914 🔗

they dont know but have some theories

see this for seasonal flu, probably a mix of all of them


270271 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1069 of 1914 🔗

He now has Twitter:


Blocked any replies annoyingly.

270286 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1070 of 1914 🔗

Yes, presumably he’s woried that the volume of replies would so drive up usage on the world’s Internet servers that carbon dioxide emissions would rise.

He’s blocked replies for the sake of the environment.

Oh Klaus, you’re so sustainable.

270314 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to calchas, 2, #1071 of 1914 🔗

Interesting names that he follows though. Saves us the trouble of making lists.

270321 ▶▶▶▶ Bob Cat, replying to Sarigan, #1072 of 1914 🔗

Please can you post some of the names here please. Refuse to go on Twitter.

270287 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, #1073 of 1914 🔗

Blocked any replies” Afraid to debate. Sign of weakness.

270272 Paul, 23, #1074 of 1914 🔗

Everyone I know is very angry about the tiers bollocks,but what is noticeable is the change in attitude of a lot of the people my daughter works with at an NHS hospital.
She says quite a few colleagues who have been fully onboard with the narrative or have simply just sat on the fence up until now have changed their minds,they have been saying enough is enough and it is all bollocks and needs to stop now.A lot of the nursing staff are saying the figures being quoted to put our county into tier 3 do not represent the truth of the matter,especially when patient discharge numbers aren’t being made public,I think the figures for one of the largest hospitals was something like 400 admitted for ‘suspected covid’ but about 396 of them actually discharged the same day as admittance,I can’t remember what time period that covers.

270275 A. Contrarian, 7, #1075 of 1914 🔗
270278 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #1076 of 1914 🔗

Shoplifter caught red-handed by security but police let him go

However if you do not wear a mask in a shop and you claim exemption then you get a fine from the police

270282 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Victoria, 4, #1077 of 1914 🔗

So many of these stories.

270912 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 2, #1078 of 1914 🔗

Seems like the sole purpose of the police these days is to arrest people for exercising their human right to protest and to breathe fresh air, and to enforce the controlled demolition of the economy by fining and arresting business owners. A far cry from Dixon of Dock Green

270297 Ben, replying to Ben, 3, #1079 of 1914 🔗

Family owned coffee shop of three decades destroyed by the Great Reset (Great Destruct)


270302 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 4, #1080 of 1914 🔗


Lockdowns / Tiers
businesses & jobs

270319 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 2, #1082 of 1914 🔗

The old tiers didn’t make any sense either

270344 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1084 of 1914 🔗

Thanks for the link. Brilliant article

270346 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1085 of 1914 🔗

I’ve been concerned about this from the start as I’ve read about futile efforts to develop a vaccine for the FIP feline corona virus.

270306 Cheshirecatslave, 5, #1086 of 1914 🔗

It seems everywhere has crazy Christmas rules, which remind me of school rules for children. Common sense would dictate that encouraging people to travel on only a few days would lead to more infectious diseases rather than less as people ram into buses and trains and the tube on the same days.

270307 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #1087 of 1914 🔗

A decent recession takes an average 3 months off everyone’s lifespan

Covid takes 3 months off the lifespan of 50,000 80 year olds

To fail to prevent the latter, we have created the former


270316 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 6, #1088 of 1914 🔗

Indeed. Lest we forget. The cost benefit analysis is orders of magnitude skewed on the cost side, and anyone moderately literate and numerate could have worked this out on the back of an envelope.

270327 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Julian, 3, #1089 of 1914 🔗

Agreed. But HS2 meets no logical COBA requirements either but we press on – for political reasons I suppose.

270334 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 5, #1090 of 1914 🔗

I read about the full cost/benefit back in March. Bristol University said lockdown deaths would be higher than covid prevention deaths if recession was worse than 2008 and the lockdown saved 500,000 lives for 10 years each.

You cant make the maths work to destroy the economy for a handful of the elderly.

270435 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, #1091 of 1914 🔗

Indeed – not even close

270330 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 3, #1092 of 1914 🔗

I am not persuaded that the coronavirus takes an time off the lifespan. The average age of coronavirus related deaths (which are obviously inflated) is 82.4; whereas, life expectancy is 81. The virus is having zero effect on mortality.

270337 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1093 of 1914 🔗

I think the all cause mortality data from this year shows that deaths were brought forward. but I don’t think by much because they were overwhelmingly so ill

270348 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, #1094 of 1914 🔗

Laurence’s posts over the last couple of days put the excess deaths adjusted for the ageing population at 13,000. How many of those are down to lockdown we will never know…

270354 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Will, 1, #1095 of 1914 🔗

The locking down of the elderly and vulnerable in care homes and denying them access to relatives and health care certainly resulted in many premature deaths.

270358 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, #1096 of 1914 🔗

The two facts I just cited show that the virus had zero effect on mortality, so unless you dispute the facts, you have to accept the conclusion: it is just a matter of arithmetic.

270431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, #1097 of 1914 🔗

I’m not sure that’s necessarily the case if some of the 80 year olds dying would have lived beyond 80, which logically some of them would because if the average is 80 and some people die earlier than some must die later.

I think that covid may have reduced average life expectancy by a few months

270462 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 2, #1098 of 1914 🔗

I am perplexed by your response. The average age of coronavirus related deaths is greater than life expectancy, therefore, the virus cannot be reducing life expectancy. All that has changed during this pandemic is what is written on the death certificates.

270388 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #1099 of 1914 🔗

Actually, a major contribution to mortality in April was not the ‘bringing forward’ of deaths, but the deaths of those who had actually survived an extra year beyond the norm because of the low infection rate of 2019.

270439 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to steve_w, #1100 of 1914 🔗

But there’s an argument that they had survived so far because of a mild flu season previously, so really it is all swings and roundabouts; trying to play God or Canute when you are merely a middle-manager at best.

270312 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #1101 of 1914 🔗
270456 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 1, #1102 of 1914 🔗

Some of it makes sense – the parts to do with the huge damage done. But the parts about the vaccine seem like rubbish to me and they assume the vaccine is needed, which it isn’t. It is pernicious.

270313 kf99, replying to kf99, 10, #1103 of 1914 🔗

The tiered system went through Holyrood without a murmor of opposition didn’t it? No sign of a Covid Recorery Group there. I guess the only way this is over is when England says so. Which means this is not quite as devolved as the high-heeled haggis would think.

270364 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kf99, 5, #1104 of 1914 🔗

Please, I like haggis.

I don’t like sturgeon though.

270578 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Nick Rose, #1105 of 1914 🔗

Smoked or roast sturgeon is very tasty, however I only like sturgeon on my plate

270317 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1106 of 1914 🔗

I don’t think Johnson or Hancock have a clue and what’s more, they don’t care. They quote the goon scientists and read from their notes. They think they can’t lose, just doing the globalists work for them.

270341 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1107 of 1914 🔗

The more people comply the more draconian the rules

270367 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1108 of 1914 🔗

Let’s not ever let it pass that some “Special Adviser” writes the words that these fools read. They do not write their own speeches and they do not give a fcuk.

Special Advisers are a literal cancer on effective governance. Name Hancock’s SPADs. They certainly are screwing your life as much as he is.

270347 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #1110 of 1914 🔗

Is this what a ‘crisis’ looks like?

The PM and lapdog Hancock couldn’t hide their contempt for the UK population yesterday in Parliament.

Laughing whilst they put 23m in draconian Tier 3 restrictions.


270443 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Victoria, 6, #1111 of 1914 🔗


270352 Paul, replying to Paul, 13, #1112 of 1914 🔗

My wife (who is 55) has just received a call from our GP surgery,’would you like a free flu jab ?’,her answer was no thanks.
Why the hard sell with this flu jab ?,she has never been called or pestered before.
I thought covid had eradicated flu anyway ?,does this flu jab have something ‘special’ in it ?

270365 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Paul, 8, #1113 of 1914 🔗

My wife (44) got a random NHS letter yesterday offering her a jab. Weird.

Me (44) potentially high risk etc – nada. Nothing non the flu jab. No letter, phone call etc. Not even a nice sticky label on my medication to say “hi – have this”

NHS – pride of Britain. Where is my pot ?

270440 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1114 of 1914 🔗

Fuck the National covid service

270374 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Paul, 9, #1115 of 1914 🔗

Money to be made by GP’s and MP’s

270379 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 6, #1116 of 1914 🔗

I think the ‘vaccine’ is a red herring and UKG are trying to give people the flu jab and then when and if these people catch the flu which is feasible after being tormented and kept indoors for months they can dress it up as the 3rd wave with more lockdowns etc, they know people are seeing through the nonsense so are trying to engineer more illness.

270569 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Paul, 1, #1117 of 1914 🔗

DNA samples taken with it?

270353 Dan Clarke, 16, #1118 of 1914 🔗

No wonder Johnson and Hancock laugh. Businesses going to the wall because of the most bizarre and irrational rules, from them. Restaurants who force muzzles until you sit down. The flimiest of reason has stopped the hospitality industry and no one has really objected and said you need to show proof that anything is doing anything. There is none.

270355 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 10, #1119 of 1914 🔗


I’ve just received this from Keep Britain Free- it’s a new website with freedom hubs all over the country offering community support to fight against lockdowns. Sorry if already posted.

270361 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, 1, #1120 of 1914 🔗

Just enter your postcode and an email pops up so it’s easy to navigate

270357 JeffWode, 13, #1121 of 1914 🔗

Has everyone seen the NHS figures on deaths from Covid19 in England with no co-morbidities? SAGE/HMG are criminally incompetent….

270360 AnotherSceptic, 11, #1122 of 1914 🔗

I think the UK should be re-named, like this village in Austria.
But instead of being called Fucking, the UK should be re-named Fucked.


270368 Cecil B, 22, #1123 of 1914 🔗

Our politicians and their parliament are corrupt and rotten to the core

The two main parties are little more than organised crime groups

The have infiltrated and corrupted every institution in the land

The corrupt police, NHS, education, the courts, and universities etc are the building blocks of this brutal dictatorship

270372 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 26, #1124 of 1914 🔗

I know there has been a lot of discussion about the Great Reset, but I’m still struggling to see this as the driving force. I am of course happy to debate and am open minded to explore any convincing sources you wish to send to change my mind.

But I am still of the mindset that this entire fiasco is just a massive bout of hysteria which is seemingly impossible to escape from. All the way back in March governments and scientists were being cautious and trying to reassure the public. It was the media (and lots of the public) who were stoking the panic. By middle of March, we were demanding to be locked down and for the government to take control. The government could not control the panic and also got consumed by the panic.

The moment the government decided it was their job to control the virus – or rather the media and the public decided it was the government’s job – then everything takes on its own weirdly rational logic. If you are being judged on how you manage a ‘pandemic’ – then you have to do something. The lockdowns, the testing, the masks, the tiers, the 2 metres – are all signs you are doing something. It doesn’t matter that all this stuff is pointless and makes very little difference – because the government can show it is doing something. It also doesn’t matter that all these measures – the lockdowns, the masks, the testing etc have massive negative consequences, because the government isn’t being judged on this. It is solely being judged on how it ‘defeating’ the virus – something which of course it has almost no control over.

And once politicians – and scientists – commit to the idea that they can control the virus, they can’t turn back. They are in too deep. They can’t stop and say, “really sorry, seems to be a seasonal bug, can’t do much, go back to normal now”. There are too many reputations and careers on the line – and quite possibly many legal implications. So they have to carry on, digging themselves into a deeper and deeper hole and desperate for a vaccine to save the day.

I have no doubt whatsoever that other interests are exploiting this situation – pharmaceuticals being the obvious one – and many people / organisations see this as an opportunity to create a ‘new normal’. But I still see this mainly as a problem of hysteria / health extremism / incompetence, rather than a planned pandemic to reshape the world.

But very happy to consider alternative viewpoints. One of the great things about this site is the very good quality of the contributors on the comments section. So please do educate me!

270389 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Tommo, 7, #1125 of 1914 🔗

I would also put a lot down to what I call interventionism. There are many people who simply think if you can make some difference why wouldn’t you. They hate to just let things be. I think SAGE is definitely of that mindset. They envisage a day when humans are made perfect by constant intervention using technology such as vaccines and tracking, genetic manipulation, etc. They see it as a utopia and they can’t understand why anyone else wouldn’t want that too.

270533 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Achilles, 3, #1126 of 1914 🔗

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

270390 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tommo, 7, #1127 of 1914 🔗

Blaming the public makes no sense. Firstly, politicians only listen to the public when the public are saying what the political elite want to hear. But, more specifically, the government deliberately engaged in a campaign to terrorise the public. It did this on the advice of the behavioural scientists on the SAGE sub-committee. https://www.ukcolumn.org/sites/default/files/documents/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

270391 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Tommo, #1128 of 1914 🔗

Can’t really argue with any of that.

270407 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tommo, 15, #1129 of 1914 🔗

“It was the media (and lots of the public) who were stoking the panic. By middle of March, we were demanding to be locked down and for the government to take control. The government could not control the panic and also got consumed by the panic. ”

The media is not independent. It is owned by the same forces that have the greatest say in government.

If the media was hysterical it is because that was wanted.

Do you remember how right at the beginning of lockdown we were told that this was a ‘new normal’ and that things had changed for ever? If what you say is correct and that it is merely a matter of hysteria, then how do you explain that?

How do you explain the outright fabrication of death statistics right from the beginning – death ‘with’ versus death ‘of’. No hysterical media or public forced the authorities to change the methods of compiling death statistics, just as they didn’t force the government to change other procedures such as those for coroners.

There have been several junctures where it would have been possible for the government to begin to steer the ship in the other direction, Why haven’t they?

In particular, the government could easily have made the PCR less stringent (fewer cycles) in order to calm the public. Easily done, since there has been little public understanding of what the PCR is about. Instead the government has massively expanded testing.

Why did the government gradually introduce mask.wearing when they did, effectively escalating just as the official death statistics were slumping?

Why right from the beginning has there been an emphasis on a vaccine as the only medical solution? Why no interest, for example, in HCQ? Surely, if this was driven by hysteria, the the public and the government would have been open to any possibility of treatment?

Gow do you explain the massive censorship of alternative points of view and the determinedly heavy-handed approach of the police to anti-lockdown demos, as compared to BLM or XR. Has hysteria caused those too?

Normally one might have expected the government to want to calm the public, instead the message and the strategy are perfectly consistent with maximizing the atmosphere of fear, abnormality and emergency, instead of gradually dialling it down.

270651 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to calchas, #1130 of 1914 🔗

I seem to recall that, in March, it was the front page of the Daily Mail amongst others braying for lockdown.

270429 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Tommo, 8, #1131 of 1914 🔗

There’s probably much truth in what you say, in terms of the finger-trap the government has found itself in regarding the “pandemic”. Although I’d say there are problems with it only being that, due to for example the dubious use of definitions and statistics observed at the start, the escalation of that along with an ever-shifting narrative, and the outright fabrication of “evidence” later.

Basically, lots of things were done that you would definitely not do if you really did want to keep proper track of a health emergency and deal with it while ensuring the health of the country in all other respects. Furthermore, things were done “lazily” in a way that might suggest they didn’t care about them (e.g. proper standardisation and quality control of tests; many other “on the ground” details stuff that you would be tracking if seriously concerned and trying to get it right).

Also, one might consider how the pseudo-scientific measures put in place conflict with the established pandemic strategic planning documents of the UK and the WHO (and even with the approach taken at the start of March) and that they are interestingly completely aligned throughout the world. Perhaps the purpose of the measures is the measures, the outcomes from the measures are the intended outcomes; there are no other justifications.

However, it’s probably best to set aside the idea of a “planned pandemic to reshape the world”, and instead consider that “reshaping the world” was the trajectory that we were already on. People had already thought about ways you might go about accelerating that and making it irreversible should an opportunity arise. The “pandemic” story taking hold brought all that into play.

It’s worth noting that we’ve already bought into the whole “Fourth Industrial Revolution” and “Green New Deal” stuff for ages. For example:

Isolating everyone, destroying independent businesses, and ultimately making everyone dependent on state handouts, at the mercy of a certification and tracking network, and transitioning to “digital” lives through fear of (and ultimately removal of access to) the outside world would be a “nice” way to get all that done. Especially since a majority of people might not be too keen on the reality of what the changes will mean for them and society once they’d twigged what was going on.

270433 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tommo, 1, #1132 of 1914 🔗

My thoughts on this are pretty much aligned with yours but here’s my tuppence worth on the Great Reset.

Before all this I’d never even heard of the Great Reset. I have however considered that economies the world over are little more than legal Ponzi schemes and much of life is structured in order to maintain these schemes.

As we all know eventually Ponzi schemes collapse because there is not enough input at the bottom to hold it up. For years now the only thing keeping it going has been perpetual debt and interest rates have been kept artificially low to facilitate this. This debt has been maintained by population growth but as time passes we get ever nearer to the limit of sustainability.

So to me the Great Reset is an inevitability and was unaware that this is what it was being termed. There are two way you can look at it, one is that it is planned and two is that it is inevitable and therefore steps should be taken to prepare.

I would tend towards the latter view because I think it is an inevitability and not something that is a product of intentional planning.

270448 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1133 of 1914 🔗

How best for a normal person to try and prepare for it? With a mortgage they can’t pay off, but a half decent amount of savings, i.e. me 😉 I really want to try and invest in a way that my family at least have something left in a few years.

270454 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Tommo, 1, #1134 of 1914 🔗

Excellent analysis. I too am not convinced by the ‘Great Reset’ (but like you I have an open mind and am open to convincing evidence) but at the same time, I don’t think that it’s just incompetence. Your comment strikes at the elusive middle ground between the two, which is the view I’ve held right from the very start.

271065 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Poppy, #1135 of 1914 🔗

I think it’s also worth noting that there is a “childishness” about all these things.

It’s not a case of a network of geniuses with outstanding insights creating incredible concepts and then making razor-sharp plans to bring them about. Just a read of Klaus Schwab’s The Fourth Industrial Revolution or various articles by tech and similar companies, there’s a strange clumsy ineptitude underlying the sweeping visions. Think: the guff that Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg come out with.

A type of incompetence is therefore woven through all of this stuff, both the front-facing narrative and anything that is happening in parallel.

270473 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tommo, #1136 of 1914 🔗

I pretty much agree with your analysis. It’s the old fallacy “Something must be done. This is something, so let’s do it.” It’s also the mismatch between highly visible and concentrated hardship versus less visible but much more widespread hardship. In this case the politicians are terrified of the prospect of people dying in hospital corridors, but their attempts to avoid that scenario are resulting in widespread economic and social problems occurring over a long period of time. As for the media, by their nature they always play up the scaremongering side of things, as it makes more dramatic headlines. “New normal” is a catchphrase or cliché which has been around for a while, so it’s not necessarily evidence of a conspiracy to see it being used. But “convergent opportunism” is certainly happening in the activities of various dubious organisations using the alleged pandemic to push their agendas.

270504 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Tommo, 2, #1137 of 1914 🔗

I don’t think the whole Covid thing has to have been all be planned out for it to be the ‘Great Reset’, but it is clear to me that there have been plans made awaiting a time to enact them, and this looks like the time. The ‘incompetence, in too deep argument’ works fine until you see that things like vaccination passports are being proposed. It is also clear to me that they could have just stopped testing in the summer and declared ‘pandemic over’; there is no reason to keep it all going if it was all just a big mistake that can’t be rolled back.

270639 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tommo, 2, #1138 of 1914 🔗

One thing to consider is that this is global – all the main players are reading from the same script. Each country could of done their own thing and dealt with it independently however barring a couple haven’t. I believe this has all been planned, great reset, cashless society.

It could well be an anti-trump agenda.

270375 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 4, #1139 of 1914 🔗

Shame we don’t have more measured people in charge like this retired Doctor.

Go Ahead – Make My Day!

Former NHS hospital doctor, Dr Colin M. Barron explains his concerns about the new COVID-19 vaccines

270411 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Darryl, 7, #1140 of 1914 🔗

More NHS staff need to speak out. I know most are worried about losing their jobs but perhaps the mandatory vaccines will be the trigger.

270383 CGL, replying to CGL, 16, #1142 of 1914 🔗

Got too brave and asked a masked Karen if she realised that they dont work. She scrunched up her eyes (and the rest of her face maybe?) And said “of course they do”, stuck her middle finger up at me as she walked away. Nice lady.

270386 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to CGL, -13, #1143 of 1914 🔗

Stop the anti Karen meme eh and grow up a little?

270396 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to CGL, -12, #1144 of 1914 🔗

So we assume that everyone on here hates all females called Karen? Really? Lol

270398 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to KBuchanan, 8, #1145 of 1914 🔗

Not all no – we have the lovely karenovirus after all

270400 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, #1146 of 1914 🔗

And I didnt downtick btw

270413 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to CGL, 2, #1147 of 1914 🔗

Who I believe is male?

270416 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to steph, 1, #1148 of 1914 🔗

Hahaha – well well.

270399 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to CGL, -3, #1149 of 1914 🔗

Maybe she knows you ?

270403 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #1150 of 1914 🔗


270422 ▶▶ steph, replying to CGL, 7, #1151 of 1914 🔗

I have a real problem with this approach but it is just my personal view. I don’t want to be asked why I’m not wearing one so I think I must afford others the same courtesy and not question them. It’s different if they bring the argument to you, then I would let them have it with both barrels but my unmasked face is never questioned so I keep silent.

270432 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to steph, 2, #1152 of 1914 🔗

I never have before either – she had a very small child with her who would have been far better seeing its mothers face.

270434 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to CGL, 2, #1153 of 1914 🔗

I don’t disagree

270451 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to steph, 3, #1154 of 1914 🔗

Was editing above so it hasnt saved but nevermind.
Anyway wish I hadn’t posted how really. No intention to offend but seem to have, so I’ll leave it there.

270625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to CGL, 1, #1155 of 1914 🔗

Don’t worry, we’ve all done it, you are among friends.

270384 KBuchanan, replying to KBuchanan, 17, #1156 of 1914 🔗

While Nigel Farage seems to be very silent, Laurence Fox has useful info on his Twitter account ( has a lot of followers) and seems to genuinely care at our loss of Liberty.

270402 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to KBuchanan, 8, #1157 of 1914 🔗

Farage has become the invisible man.

270410 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1158 of 1914 🔗

Problem is he carries folk with him and doesn’t follow through . He is not a team player apparently which is not helpful either.

270425 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1159 of 1914 🔗

Another shill

270844 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bella Donna, #1160 of 1914 🔗

Probably waiting for his orders.They will deploy him if things start to get out of hand.
How can anyone not see this is a far greater threat to British Independence and liberty than the EU.
If he was genuine he would be screaming from the rooftops about lockdown.

270489 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to KBuchanan, 5, #1161 of 1914 🔗

Richard Tice was good on talkradio this morning.

270394 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #1162 of 1914 🔗

The governance structure of the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency) is as follows:


The Board minutes of 24th August 2020 disclose that the Agency is currently implementing a ‘Change Strategy’, led by EY:

“9.1 The Board considered a report on the implementation of the Phase One of the Change Strategy and of the initiation of Phase Two. The Board noted that Ernst and Young (EY) had won the bid to lead the Phase 2 (’Size and Shape’) programme through an open and competitive process.Work on Phase 2 will begin on 7th September. The Board was briefed on the staff workshops on the Change Strategy during August as well as the process for selecting Chief Officers. Dr Raine reported that the interviews for these appointments will take place during the w/c 24thAugust. The Board also commented on the implementation process for Phase 2 and beyond, and for the need to be open about inevitable redundancies that will flow from a slimmer but more agile agency .”


So, the regulatory body is currently being “slimmed” down.

270788 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #1163 of 1914 🔗

Agile. That is just peachy

271157 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1164 of 1914 🔗

Effective would be better.

270395 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 28, #1165 of 1914 🔗

I have finally managed to secure a hip replacement privately in January. It was cancelled earlier this year since the NHS took over many private beds at massive expense even though they weren’t used. I also popped into Grace Cards and Books in Droitwich and thanked them for flouting Lockdown. They were mentioned here earlier in the week so I thanked them from all of us! Spent quite a bit in there, too!

270423 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mutineer, 6, #1166 of 1914 🔗

All the best for your op. It’s disgusting that you should have had to wait all those extra months.

270519 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to annie, 1, #1167 of 1914 🔗

Thank you!

270397 richmond, replying to richmond, 1, #1168 of 1914 🔗

The New Year Honours List will be interesting.

270405 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to richmond, 3, #1169 of 1914 🔗

Maybe two lists:

People who have done real good during the year, normal gongs.

People who have done harm to The UK during the plandemic, we will get the scaffold out.

270418 ▶▶ annie, replying to richmond, 2, #1170 of 1914 🔗

Bring your sick bucket.

270420 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to richmond, 5, #1171 of 1914 🔗

As long as F1 Hamilton isn’t on it oh and witless unbalanced fergusoncunt.

270436 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to richmond, 2, #1172 of 1914 🔗

In a way, I actually kind of want them to do something like make Chris Whitty a ‘Sir’ – it might stir up a reaction from the public…

270502 ▶▶▶ NMoss, replying to kenadams, #1173 of 1914 🔗

The Knighthhood goes with the job, along with the ‘Chair’ (professor of what, exactly and where?) He’ll have it,eventually.

270446 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to richmond, 3, #1174 of 1914 🔗

Marcus Rashford to be made a Panto Dame

270474 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, #1175 of 1914 🔗

Is he not?

270579 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to richmond, #1176 of 1914 🔗

All of Sage knighted/damed

270655 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1177 of 1914 🔗


270401 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1178 of 1914 🔗

Another ally to the cause:

Dr Colin M Barron the first bit is odd, but stay with it.

270464 ▶▶ steph, replying to Dave #KBF, #1179 of 1914 🔗

That was well worth the 13 minutes. Thanks for posting.
He’s got it spot on and an interesting, if slightly weird, delivery.

270419 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 4, #1180 of 1914 🔗

No gold standard to PCR test.

Virus has never been isolated.

Yuve been had.

Public Health England admits using fake virus material to evaluate “COVID-19″ tests, the gold standard is not isolated virus, and more

Article here:

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/public-health-englands-answers-to-covid-19-testing-questions/&nbsp ;

Direct link to PHE’s admission:


270786 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nicky, #1181 of 1914 🔗

Great find

270426 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1182 of 1914 🔗

The Rapist’s Dad, Chief Sadist, Denier of Children’s Winter Clothes, and Wales top, top spanner has announced the pubs are to close again from the 4th

Oh I do love Marxism in action

270438 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1183 of 1914 🔗

Drakeford’s master-stroke firebreak was set to solve everything, but we all keep saying here on LS it just kicks the can down the road.

270444 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Locked down and out, 3, #1184 of 1914 🔗

It robs Westminster of revenue, at no cost to the RD

270463 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1185 of 1914 🔗

Going by the woeful “reponse” of the Left, I’d say “Marxism in action” is a contradiction in terms!

270472 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to George Mc, 2, #1186 of 1914 🔗

Yes – could be a space was accidentally entered there!

270536 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to IanE, #1187 of 1914 🔗

I was a bit slow on the uptake there – but I get you!

270619 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, #1188 of 1914 🔗

Why don’t they just pursue a scorched earth policy and have done with it?

270598 ▶▶ chris, replying to chris, 1, #1190 of 1914 🔗

Being sceptical from the start I assumed Fauci and the Wuhan clan had perfected a vaccine at the same time as they developed the ‘gain of function’ virus for distribution. Obviously, its release could be timed to perfection when fear, confucion and anxiety had done its worst. However Peter Breggin suggests that Wuhan failed to develop a vaccine. If true that would be a big mistake. The scamdemic is now hostage to fortune. The vaccines will not arrive. Boris will have to try to justify endless lockdown.

270652 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to chris, 1, #1191 of 1914 🔗

Suggests the leak was an accident, but Bill Still reported at the beginning that there was a vaccine which was meant to give China international leverage. Video seems to have been taken down.

270449 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 22, #1192 of 1914 🔗

I was in Asda today and it reminded me of an incident a few weeks back (months even? I’ve lost track of time in all this) when they introduced a one way system that lasted about a week.

One day I found myself walking the wrong way up one of the aisles and a lady stood there staring at me. I looked at her perplexed. Without saying a word she pointed at the arrow on the floor. I laughed and said sorry I didn’t realise and carried on with my shopping.

I’m left wondering what that woman did when they took the arrows away and stopped with the pointless one way system. Did she have sleepless nights thinking that everyone should be using an imaginary one way system regardless or did she simply accept that it must now be safe because there were no more arrows on the ground?

270516 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Nobody2020, 15, #1193 of 1914 🔗

I had some woman do something similar to me in Tesco back in April cos I’d walked past her to get to the veggie-goods refrigerator while she was taking her sweet time looking in the meat fridge. She turned around, lip wobbling in rage and eyes bulging with mania, and snarled at me: “Er, social distancing?” The rage in her was palpable so I stared back in undisguised curiosity at this bizarre spectacle. Then I laughed in her face and told her to get a grip. She was deranged like a mad dog, I swear. I wanted to slap some sense into the stupid cow.

Every single one of these have-a-go heros needs a good slapping and to be told to man up in no uncertain terms. My grandfather escaped Nazis behind enemy lines in Normandy as part of the Royal Signals regiment, was captured with his Aussie unit at the fall of Singapore and spent years in a Burmese PoW camp run by the Japanese. Like thousands of British men of his generation all did. And all so this daft cow and her unhinged ilk can soil themselves in Tesco and goose step around my Christmas dinner serving spoons???

270539 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to GorbalsGirl, 9, #1194 of 1914 🔗

Japanese PoW camp? They were meant to be really, really horrible.

Not the same thing, but linked, is something I mentioned a few weeks ago. I was watching Saving Private Ryan and it occurred to me that the people who had been in those boats and faced that unimaginable terror had just been abandoned to die alone on an old people’s homes not even able to hug their children in their last few moments.

That was actually the point that I went from angry to apoplectic with rage about the whole thing.

270591 ▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to kenadams, 1, #1195 of 1914 🔗

Yeah even as an old man, my grandad would overchew every single morsel of food and was always the last person to finish his meal. He was a proud, hard working (and popular) guy whose father had been a professional British Army soldier in India though and he got through the dark times and lived to his 90s.

They don’t seem to make them like that anymore 🙁

He had his elderly mum live in the downstairs floor of their Glasgow house when my dad was a kid too – so she could be looked after within the family. No negligent care homes for the old in those days!

We could all learn a lot from our grandparents’ generation I reckon.

270840 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Nobody2020, #1196 of 1914 🔗

Covid School have put arrows on floor but then Reception Bitch #2 now barks at you to use a different door than the arrows point to, cunning. I say ‘barks’, but she’s muzzled of course.

270450 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 22, #1197 of 1914 🔗

This weekend could be interesting…

Police have urged people not to attend a protest in central London this weekend during the coronavirus lockdown.

The Metropolitan Police said it is aware a protest has been planned for Saturday and organisers have been looking to hire coaches to help people travel to it from other parts of the country.

A police spokesman could not say what the protest is for, but said officers will be monitoring coaches travelling into the capital.

270458 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Adamb, 8, #1198 of 1914 🔗

They’re a bit thick really aren’t they (the police I mean).

270554 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1199 of 1914 🔗

The thick ones are the good ones. The bad ones are thick and spiteful.

270460 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Adamb, 9, #1200 of 1914 🔗

They will try and stop them on the motorways (al la miners strike). Best to get off the coaches way outside London and train/tube it in

270475 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Adamb, 3, #1201 of 1914 🔗

looks like Unite for Freedom-it appears there are more than one location

270522 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Adamb, 2, #1202 of 1914 🔗

I bet they have urged them not to attend

They may be thinking it’s payback time for all the people the police have beaten up in the past 8 months

270556 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Adamb, 12, #1203 of 1914 🔗

Get in contact with Met Police press office and tell them you are protesting about climate change.

They will clear the traffic to let coaches get a better run into the capital and provide officers in costume for that full on part atmosphere.

270560 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #1204 of 1914 🔗

Most audacious plan.

270603 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1205 of 1914 🔗

Almost cunning

270611 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #1206 of 1914 🔗

Or that you are protesting the cut in foreign aid 😂

270455 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 39, #1207 of 1914 🔗

My 83-year-old mother has had enough. Cancelled her subscription to the Telegraph. Talked to friends of the same age group that she hasn’t seen since March today and they’re going to have a pub lunch. They’ll keep looking until they find a pub that’ll have them.

270459 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1208 of 1914 🔗

In a pub?

270465 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1209 of 1914 🔗

Cumbria isn’t far away, if they can’t find a wily landlord in Northumberland. But, again, let’s not get caught up in tierspeak.

270573 ▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1210 of 1914 🔗

Wylam will likely see them right.

270577 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to PompeyJunglist, #1211 of 1914 🔗

Wylam , being in that covid hotspot of Northumberland, is in tier 3 so the Boathouse will be shut .

270664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to arfurmo, #1212 of 1914 🔗

Small world. Spent many happy evenings in there as a youth

270485 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #1213 of 1914 🔗

Well done, Mum and friends!

270493 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1214 of 1914 🔗

Party like its 1984

270461 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #1215 of 1914 🔗

Opinion | Pope Francis: The Covid-19 Crisis Reveals What Is in Our Hearts – The New York Times

The Pope going all-in for lockdowns and the Great Reset.
And not caring at all for their collateral damages…

270466 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #1216 of 1914 🔗

Who cares what the kiddie fiddlers think

270469 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #1217 of 1914 🔗

He’s a dilapidated, virtue-signalling communist with one lung, obviously he’s covid orthodox.

270479 ▶▶ alw, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #1218 of 1914 🔗

Yes a staunch Catholic friend shared with me. Went straight to delete.

270492 ▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #1219 of 1914 🔗

Strikes me that the Catholic church has finally acknowledged they no longer serve any purpose…all hail the great God Covid who must be appeased. Hand sanitizer in place of holy water… the fetishism of the masks which signify adherence to the cult. Why go to Mass when you can worship in the consumer temples?

270549 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #1220 of 1914 🔗

Church leaders have failed people since this thing started. That the Pope wants to make poor people poorer and vulnerable people more vulnerable is frankly obscene

270470 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 11, #1221 of 1914 🔗

Metropolitan Police Retweeted
comment image
Met Police Events


We’re aware groups are intending to protest in #London tomorrow.

We want to be clear, gathering in groups is not permitted under the current regulations.

Anyone looking to join a protest is urged to stay home.

And on the tweet right underneath it:

comment image
Metropolitan Police


“No one has the right to tell you what you can and can’t do”

Fuckin’ morons

270528 ▶▶ Ben, replying to vargas99, 5, #1222 of 1914 🔗

Following orders. No concern that laws may be against human rights. How many police officers criticise China and North Korea?

270575 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to vargas99, 10, #1223 of 1914 🔗

Just rebrand it as a BLM protest and they’ll take the knee

270615 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to vargas99, 1, #1224 of 1914 🔗

Do these knobs not know just how pathetic the word ‘bubble’, as used in the current context, is?

270480 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 13, #1225 of 1914 🔗

Isn’t the big problem that there will be loads more respiratory disease deaths in Jan, because there always are. And now flu is just re-branded as covid, they’ll all be labelled as covid. So, it will look like loads and loads of people are dying of covid. Therefore full lockdown until March?

How do we get around this/fight this forthcoming narrative?

270486 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to kenadams, 4, #1226 of 1914 🔗

Yep sadly you’re right so it comes down to people not getting tested. Plus, if the amount of deaths from flu over the winter is no worse than usual then it won’t matter as the excess deaths will be normal. It’s highly likely that winter flu deaths this year will be lower than average due to large amount of older people that died at the beginning of the year. They can try and label everything as covid if they want to but if there’s no excess deaths it’s irrelevant.

270491 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1227 of 1914 🔗

Mr and Mrs Lockdown don’t think in excess deaths, only COVID DEATHS.

270513 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1228 of 1914 🔗

Excess deaths are those considered over and above the average of the last five years, which is nothing really. The total deaths per million have been falling since the 1950s and started rising again around 2013/2014. The rate is still nowehere near where it was even in the 1990s. Excess deaths, like the R number, doesn’t mean anything on its own.


270498 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to kenadams, 1, #1229 of 1914 🔗

The average E/W weekly death figures for Jan are
12,175 13,822 13,216 12,760 12,206
So the average is reasonably high if the actual deaths are close to average then that should make a reasonable case that things are OK.
Overall for 2020, despite covid deaths it looks as though registered live births will exceed registered deaths.
So that for 2020 we will have had a ‘deadly pandemic’ and yet by the end of the year the population of the country will have increased by something like 20000 people!
A very strange sort of pandemic!

270500 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to kenadams, 11, #1230 of 1914 🔗

It already is looking fishy. The flu levels have dropped more than any time in recorded history. So we are to believe that a virus that is even older than humans themselves suddenly disappears?

Logic and Occam’s Razor says otherwise

270506 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to mhcp, 7, #1231 of 1914 🔗

I pointed this out to work colleagues and they just laughed it off! Not once in their heads did they consider the fact that it’s highly unlikely flu has suddenly disappeared.

270529 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Anothersceptic2, 10, #1232 of 1914 🔗

Let’s face it, it’s not highly unlikely. It’s impossible. It has definitely been re-branded as covid. There is no possible other explanation.

270509 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mhcp, 3, #1233 of 1914 🔗

it also appears that Heart disease has disappeared, according to the chart atl

270521 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to mhcp, 2, #1234 of 1914 🔗

It’s very philosophical on here today. Occam, Hegel? What’s going on?

270588 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Bugle, 4, #1235 of 1914 🔗

We are critiquing others’ impure reason.

270642 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1236 of 1914 🔗

Very good.

270725 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1237 of 1914 🔗

A Kant fan! I majored in philosophy a million years ago.

270849 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1238 of 1914 🔗

Not exactly a fan, but just something that Cambridge imposed on my impressionable young mind 40+ years ago as part of a Tripos part 2 paper in German Literature, Thought and History of the 18th Century.
It scarred me for life. 🙂

270747 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to mhcp, #1239 of 1914 🔗

You are assuming all flu deaths previously had a test based diagnosis but a lot will purely have been on symptoms. That’s why the swop is easy. Flu deaths are a less precise number than people pretend.

270507 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kenadams, 4, #1240 of 1914 🔗

I think there will be less than usual because most “dry tinder” (as Cummins puts it) will have gone in the second ripple.

270558 ▶▶ Will, replying to kenadams, 2, #1241 of 1914 🔗

I don’t think there will because there isn’t the low hanging fruit. Next spring/ summer we will start seeing the premature deaths from cancer etc.

270481 alw, replying to alw, 1, #1242 of 1914 🔗

The latest nonsense from no 10. We shall all be lingering over dessert. 😂

270487 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to alw, 7, #1243 of 1914 🔗

Tempted to go to the pub and order a plate of their cheapest meal with my first pint which I then leave on the table uneaten for the rest of the evening.

270512 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to muzzle, 1, #1244 of 1914 🔗

Share a bag of nuts between 175 of you

270572 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1245 of 1914 🔗

Cue the old joke about the free nuts bowl on the bar being tested and having 40 different types of urine.

270605 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to muzzle, #1246 of 1914 🔗

I’m surprised some enterprising landlord hasn’t bought up a load of airline microwave meals and sell them at 50p a pop. Actually I think Sam Smiths might have done it several years ago but could be wrong.

271312 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to muzzle, #1247 of 1914 🔗

I have just encouraged my local landlord with this very tactic. Some kind of cheap “Boris menu” which I won`t want or eat. He has agreed that this is a good idea!

270600 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to alw, #1248 of 1914 🔗

Every publican put chocolate souffle on their menu and encourage their diners upon the very slow service of clearing main course plates to order it. It takes 40 minutes to cook.

270488 stefarm, 1, #1249 of 1914 🔗

A little bit off topic maybe, somebody the other day mentioned the Hegelian Dialectic. An interesting read, thanks. Here is an interesting article which links IMO to the current narrative.


https://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm – what is the Hegelian Dialectic

270495 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1250 of 1914 🔗

If we say the pubs stay open, they stay open

If we can give the Kaiser and Hitler a good kicking this bunch of bums will be no problem

270614 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1251 of 1914 🔗

Much as I would like landlords to do as they please, they would lose their license which means that they would definitely cease to trade as opposed to being unable to trade and probably ceasing to trade.

270653 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1252 of 1914 🔗

True – unless they kick up enough of a fuss with elected representatives, and ask why the PCR test is literally putting them out of business when it cannot determine infectious people. Band together and they have a powerful voice, and also potential media exposure – reporters won’t talk to Yeadon but they will talk to hospitality venues.

270501 Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1253 of 1914 🔗

China’s sweeping COVID controls put frozen food importers on ice
China’s sweeping COVID controls put frozen food importers on ice – Farming Independent

270511 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, 2, #1254 of 1914 🔗

‘German pork knuckles to Ecuadorian shrimp’

Sounds yummy

270534 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, #1255 of 1914 🔗

I have a recipe waiting for approval – messed up with the links!

270523 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steeve, 4, #1256 of 1914 🔗

China is up to its neck in this Scamdemic

270551 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ben, #1257 of 1914 🔗

No I don’t think so

270510 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #1258 of 1914 🔗

More antics from the geniuses at West Midlands Police:

Maskless Farmfoods customer rows with police as they issue her fine – despite claims she is exempt | Daily Mail Online

Just out of interest, if you ask for your day in court, do you THEN have to provide evidence? Or is the wrongful basis of the issuance of the fine sufficient to get it thrown out before it even gets to that?

270517 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1259 of 1914 🔗

The law does not require any evidence; although I am not sure I would want to rely on police, prosecutor or magistrate knowing the law.

270542 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to jhfreedom, 14, #1260 of 1914 🔗

I heard from a friend who works with Gloucestershire police that some officers are being asked, quietly, to stop maskless in shops and overstep their powers even though they know it’s not legal. The idea being, apparently, that reports of it happening will intimidate others into wearing them. The cops involved can then plead ignorance and there will be no repercussions.

270561 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #1261 of 1914 🔗

Doesn’t surprise me. All of this will be thrown out when it gets to the courts, but by then I suppose it’s had its effect on people.

270582 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1262 of 1914 🔗

I’ve asked them to try to get evidence, which they have tentatively offered to do and which I will post on here should I get it

270590 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #1263 of 1914 🔗

That will be interesting. Meanwhile the good cogniscenti of the Daily Mail forums seem to think the burden of proof is on the individual to show they are exempt which is of course wrong…

270630 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #1264 of 1914 🔗

Or is it the 77th Brigade which thinks that?

270627 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jhfreedom, #1265 of 1914 🔗

The process is the punishment.

270608 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to jhfreedom, #1266 of 1914 🔗

Simon Dolan tweeted this incident to West Midlands Police

  • Similar incident happened 2 weeks ago and fine was squashed
  • WMP then undertook to re-train the officers, so why did it happen again?

See WMP response below


270712 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Victoria, #1267 of 1914 🔗

I look forward to the grovelling apology…

270841 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to jhfreedom, #1268 of 1914 🔗

It’s Catch-22: GPs have been instructed by the NHS not to issue certificates of exemption. You can’t prove you are exempt if you haven’t got a letter from your GP (and if cards printed off the internet aren’t valid).

270515 Ben, replying to Ben, 6, #1269 of 1914 🔗

Mum-of-one told she has six months left to live. Cancer treatment cancelled because of ‘Covid’ –


270530 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Ben, 11, #1270 of 1914 🔗

Bastards. Least she didn’t kill any bedridden, blind nonagenarians with advanced dementia.

270537 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Liam, 6, #1271 of 1914 🔗

Bang on the sentiment.

270550 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Liam, 8, #1272 of 1914 🔗

I hope her relatives sue the hell out of the Govt and the NHS.

270565 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ben, 5, #1273 of 1914 🔗

Poor kid – only 23. Makes me so angry

270609 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 6, #1274 of 1914 🔗


271131 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ben, #1275 of 1914 🔗

I hope Hancock is proud of himself.

270518 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1276 of 1914 🔗

Northern Ireland
Anyone from NI? Post this to your MP. Hospital admissions lag infections by about 2 weeks. You can see that for, effectively the past 2 months there’s been no rising trend. If you’re interested we can put up ‘cases’ & deaths.

270676 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, #1277 of 1914 🔗

Thanks. I have a new email to go to my MP to be ignored. I’ll keep doing it, hammering him on PCR. But will reference this too. Any NI data is good!

270520 DRW, replying to DRW, 15, #1278 of 1914 🔗

Have to admit I was upset this afternoon. I never thought I was a particuarly hateful person but I’m becoming one. Not just the protagonists and collaborators but it’s the frustration over the blind, especially my family that hurts the most. They are good people and don’t deserve hate but it is increasingly difficult not to. Next week’s funeral, already a very sad personal event, is going to be very painful.

270548 ▶▶ steph, replying to DRW, 9, #1279 of 1914 🔗

Life is sh*t for us all at the moment. Sadly for you there is something even worse than lockdown happening. It can all seem too much but try and stay sane. Your family are victims of Project Fear and are obviously more susceptible than you are to being misled. Try and understand them for now. Hating gives you so much more pain on top of the pain you already have.

270568 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to DRW, 5, #1280 of 1914 🔗

My family is the same. I end up only talking superficial stuff with them after disagreeing with them over Brexit, politics generally, foreign affairs, in fact anything that I find important. COVID – forget it! But they are still my family and I prioritise future relations with them over anything else. As they say, you can choose your friends but not your family – i.e. you are stuck with them. But also, you can’t replace them either. Best of luck to you next week.

270616 ▶▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1281 of 1914 🔗

‘Families are wonderful things – they introduce you to people you’d otherwise never meet’ – Christopher Hitchens

270527 Montag Smith, replying to Montag Smith, 6, #1282 of 1914 🔗

The fictional Dear Deidre letter is odd. Why would anyone have found Johnson charming? I know some people do but it’s always been obvious to me that he’s a slippery blusterer who only cares about himself.

270555 ▶▶ steph, replying to Montag Smith, 6, #1283 of 1914 🔗

Sadly he has not had trouble getting female company. Difficult to understand

270597 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to steph, 1, #1284 of 1914 🔗

Some women like big powerful men. It turns them on.

270646 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to William Hand, #1285 of 1914 🔗

True. Lyndon Johnson was an ugly git but seemingly had no trouble. Fathered at least one child with a mistress.

270714 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to William Hand, #1286 of 1914 🔗

I think we have to be fair here. I hate the guy. But anyone who is capable of becoming the Prime Minister clearly has something about them. And a lot of power, which is always attractive to both sexes. I’ve heard that John Major is one of the most charming men you could ever meet.

271127 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Montag Smith, #1287 of 1914 🔗

I think it’s a metaphor for how the electorate felt about him in December 2019. And how his ephemeral charm might work on a lady. Hed be an entertaining dinner party guest but his novelty is soon gone.

What a difference a year makes.

270532 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 40, #1288 of 1914 🔗

“So I think people just have to have sense. The fact that you can do something – this is true across so many other areas of life – doesn’t mean you should.’
– Chris Whitty on whether people should hug or kiss their elderly relatives this Christmas.

Hey Whitty – just because the fact is you can lock people up doesn’t mean you should keep doing so”.

You sir are a CU*T. A word that offends many. But has never ever been so well applied. I can only assume this loveless creep has no joy in his life that does not extend beyond his cash or his computer hard drive.

I can think of many people I am desperate to hug every day of my life who are no longer around to do so. Life teaches you not to miss such opportunities as tomorrow never comes.

270552 ▶▶ steph, replying to Leemc23, 9, #1289 of 1914 🔗

That word! I no longer mind it and use it myself more and more in the present situation. I remember Germaine Greer trying to reclaim it for its real old fashioned meaning but she didn’t get very far. Have you seen the “is a c*nt” website? Some very funny nominations on there.

270559 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to steph, 1, #1290 of 1914 🔗

Will go have a look. Cheers.

270571 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to steph, 1, #1291 of 1914 🔗

Great site.

270589 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1292 of 1914 🔗

I wonder what else he would like to stop us from doing? Almost everything I bet.

270599 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Leemc23, #1293 of 1914 🔗

Cunt is a very accurate description because this is the same person that wouldn’t entertain the idea of people making their own personal risk assessments all in the name of public health of course because it would be unworkable a few months ago

Seems that he might have changed his tune but I wouldn’t give him the benefit of doubt.

270535 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #1294 of 1914 🔗

Scotland, hospital admissions since Oct 13th
Send this to your MP & ask why you’re Locked down. There’s been no rising trend for 2 months, why should it suddenly take off now?

270563 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 12, #1295 of 1914 🔗

Send this to your MP & ask why you’re Locked down.

Because Krankie is fucking insane, Nick, that’s why!

270584 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1296 of 1914 🔗

Actually, I would ask the Scottish public: “Did you know only 26 people under the age of 45 have died of ‘the covid’ in Scotland?

Source: https://www.opendata.nhs.scot/dataset/covid-19-in-scotland/resource/19646dce-d830-4ee0-a0a9-fcec79b5ac71

270610 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1297 of 1914 🔗

It goes to show how the MSM maggots are in on the scam, a simple question isn’t it.

‘So 1st minister the data shows that only 26 people under the age of 44 have died with ‘it’ and it’s clear that 74% of deaths are to people over the age of 75, so how can you justify locking down 5.5m people based on these figures?’

270626 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, 9, #1298 of 1914 🔗

“Because ah rool an’ ah says so! Fan-dabi-dozi!”

270698 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1299 of 1914 🔗

Aaaaa can see covids right up your nose!

271144 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1300 of 1914 🔗

It is strange, but the punishment Nicola Sturgeon is dishing out to her beloved Scots makes me wonder if she actually hates them

271185 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ben, 1, #1301 of 1914 🔗

Not at all. She’s like Elena Ceaușescu and loves her Scottish children and has “raised them like a mother”.

270544 davews, replying to davews, 7, #1302 of 1914 🔗

Today’s figures, downward trend continues. The only thing that seems to have gone up is the number of tests.

270553 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to davews, 3, #1303 of 1914 🔗

Perfect reason to apply more restrictions then…

270607 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to davews, 1, #1304 of 1914 🔗

Spun as lockdown works of course

270765 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to davews, #1305 of 1914 🔗

Gotta keep chasing those positive tests oh sorry Cases

270545 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 21, #1306 of 1914 🔗


Richard Tice interviewed by Mike Graham on talkRADIO today. They don’t go nearly far enough of course, but if scepticism has penetrated this far into the MSM landscape then the game is up. It’s only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down. The comments are savage as well.

270570 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Richard O, 9, #1307 of 1914 🔗

I enjoyed that, thanks Richard O. I bet Richard Tice uses this site as a source. He does speak very eloquently about they key issues.

270581 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to theanalyst, 13, #1308 of 1914 🔗

Yes he is very clued up about the PCR test, and is clearly not going to let go of the issue. Debunking the test is the critical first step in unravelling the monumental edifice of lies.

270613 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Richard O, 11, #1309 of 1914 🔗

I wouldn’t classify Talk Radio as MSM in any way whatsoever.

They have consistently been skeptics and you should hear Julia Hartley Brewer giving government ministers a thrashing when they try the BS.

Mike Graham usually doesn’t take prisoners either. He’s been barred by Twatter so must be doing something right.

Just my opinion of course.

You have to remember that they have to strike a bit of balance otherwise they will get a kicking by the regulators.

270547 NickR, 8, #1310 of 1914 🔗

Welsh Hospital Admissions
Send this to your MP & demand why are they locking you down?

270557 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #1311 of 1914 🔗

English Hospital Admissions
I fail to see how a flatlining rate of hospital admissions can overwhelm the NHS?

270562 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NickR, 18, #1312 of 1914 🔗

A break out of the shits on a single ward in an average hospital seems to overwhelm the NHS.

NHS. So good. No country on the earth has the same system. Bang your pots.

270586 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NickR, 5, #1313 of 1914 🔗

I can well imagine that some units in some hospitals are under a lot of pressure but this says more about poor management in the NHS and an inability to deploy resources than it does about covid.

270612 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1314 of 1914 🔗

As has been pointed out here before, some units in some hospitals are under pressure every year at this time

270617 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1315 of 1914 🔗

The management of Covid-19 by Johnson and the Team was designed to conceal Tory mismanagement of and under-investment in the NHS over decades. The NHS is at capacity every winter. Having said that, I’m not a fan – I think it’s a millstone round the country’s neck, a monolith that guarantees we shall always be socialist and, now, as I predicted some years ago, a curtailment of our freedom.

270761 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bugle, 3, #1316 of 1914 🔗

Yes if the NHS is so wonderful why has no other country copied the model? Most of the boots on the floor are okay but the most money is spent on middle management and office types who would not know a band aid from a suppository.

270847 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Spikedee1, #1317 of 1914 🔗

So true. Over managed and grossly incompetently managed.

270843 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bugle, #1318 of 1914 🔗

Bugle one thing yhe NHS is NOT is underfunded.

270923 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1319 of 1914 🔗

I know what you mean, but the funding that there is does not get to the right places. That’s why everything is crap.

270708 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to NickR, 5, #1320 of 1914 🔗

Just occurred to me when I saw your post that there’s another reason hospitals everywhere are claiming they are overwhelmed. Pre-Covid, if you gave a shit about a family member who was in hospital, you’d be there many hours a day to make sure they weren’t being neglected and to basically do much of the nursing work on their behalf. Now that visitors aren’t allowed in, the staff actually have to do all the work themselves. No more free labour.

270564 PompeyJunglist, 44, #1321 of 1914 🔗

After months of being the only non-masker in my Birmingham Lidl, I spotted another 4 while doing my weekly shop today.

270583 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1323 of 1914 🔗

Sorry but having worked for myself for 30 plus years I am unemployable – not least for these public sector dickheads

270602 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to vargas99, 5, #1324 of 1914 🔗

Me too at least for a salaried job anywhere in this blighted country.

Working self-employed as and when I feel like ti – much more enjoyable and anyone gives me any bollocks I tell them to get stuffed, nicely of course.

270604 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Awkward Git, #1325 of 1914 🔗

A grade 7 role is not senior really, no matter how much they pretend.

270621 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Leemc23, #1326 of 1914 🔗

Grade 7 is 2 rungs under senior civil servant (SCS), the civil service is now full of grade 7’s spouting common purpose twaddle.

When I first started in the civil service over 20 years ago Grade 7’s were as rare as hen’s teeth, nowadays they are 2 a’penny.

BTW I’m a grade 6……

Not really….just joking.

270704 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Leemc23, #1327 of 1914 🔗

It’s more junior than me. And, trust me, I’m not senior.

270574 Ben, replying to Ben, 5, #1328 of 1914 🔗


‘The police are to deployed to enforce controlled demolition of the economy’ –


270699 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 4, #1329 of 1914 🔗

There was a decent protest at the Ontario parliament in Toronto yesterday as well. There’s some pushback, but the vast majority still believe we should go into a Melbourne-style lockdown. That’s why I live in the country now! I’m done with Toronto.

270733 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1330 of 1914 🔗

That’s terrible. I’ve seen talk of detention centres in Canada. Why are Canadians not up in arms about that?

Randy Hillier is a hero in my eyes. He got arrested standing up to tyranny. The rest of Canada’s pro-lockdown politicians should be ashamed, as well as the Canadians calling for lockdowns – the mainstream media is the virus

270758 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 3, #1331 of 1914 🔗

The stories about detention centres have been overblown so far as I can tell. Most cities in North America are scouting locations for people to quarantine who are unable to do so at their homes and for international arrivals who have nowhere to quarantine. I’m not so naive as to believe we couldn’t be forced to quarantine, but thus far there is nothing like that going on. Randy Hillier is a hero, no question about it. There are quite a few groups in Canada who are fighting the tyranny — No More Lockdowns, Hugs Over Masks, Vaccine Choice Canada (suing all levels of government over Covid restrictions), Parents For Mask Free Education, Stand Up Canada, and perhaps more. The MSM is disgusting and is the virus, but most of our politicians are also complicit. While Canadians are definitely compliant by nature, I’m not convinced we’re any different from Americans in blue states, New Zealanders, Australians, etc.

270601 Leemc23, 2, #1332 of 1914 🔗
270618 Cecil B, 1, #1333 of 1914 🔗

The hypothermic children of Wales are now in a refugee centre in Bristol

They thank you donations of winter clothes

270620 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 31, #1334 of 1914 🔗

Got pissed off yesterday when sitting wit Mrs Awkward while she flicked through the evening news and so on I sent this or similar to ITV, Central news and Andy Street the Birmingham mayor via his Conservatives website page:

Just watching what you laughably call a “news report” this evening.

What a disgrace.

No facts, just propaganda and fear-mongering while politicians go on about cases blah blah blah.

Here are some real facts:

I contacted one of the RT-PCR test kit manufacturers that are listed on a gov.uk webpage and asked them where the requirement for the 45 amplification cycles came from. Their answer was:

“This is a PHE requirement rather than what is laid out by the manufacturer.”

In the various technical documents they sent me it also stated:

13. The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product. The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician”

4. The detection of viral RNA of SARS-CoV-2 is dependent upon proper specimen collection, handling, transportation, storage, and preparation, including extraction. Failure to observe proper procedures in any one of these steps can lead to incorrect results.

6. Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.

10. This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen

13. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

14. Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.

More underhanded shenanigans from PHE/Central Government and again confirmed by the test manufacturer that a positive test result should not be relied upon as a diagnosis of anything.

Attached is a FOI answer from the Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596that I received from my initial request back in August that you may have seen on various social media pages stating that a positive PCR test means nothing medically:

“SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

Don’t forget this quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the committee hearing:


It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

All FOIs and correspondence is available if you require it, just contact me.

Once again, your reporting is a total disgrace – ignore OFCOM’s threats and actually report the truth.

Wasting my time I know but we both felt better doing it.

270637 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1335 of 1914 🔗

Simply outstanding. Hats off to you! 🙂

AG – That quote from your FOI, I have downloaded the document from when you posted the link at an earlier date. Do you have any objections if I use the quote from DHSC [bit that says: does not mean the patient has the virus] am contacting local businesss in my area, trying to give them some more ammo to lobby with. If enough business can kick up a fuss, MPs will find it hard to ignore.

270657 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1336 of 1914 🔗

Feel free.

It’s been on social media by laworfiction, francis hoar among others.

Now with various lawyers involved in the preparation of court cases.

270674 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1337 of 1914 🔗

Thank you sir/madam for your efforts. You are not wasting your time. We are in a guerrilla war with these people and anything that holds them up or delays them by diverting manpower is worth it, even if it is just a few minutes for them to send a stock reply. We should all be regularly writing complaints to the press, TV, MPs etc (as well as writing encouragement to those on our side). You can tell from my post that I probably watched too much ‘Secret Army’ as a boy!

270623 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 11, #1338 of 1914 🔗

Apologies to W.S.

O Covid, Covid, wherefore art thou Covid?
Deny thy followers and refuse their game.
Or if thou wilt not, be but sworn a lie
And I’ll no longer be a Sceptic.
‘Tis but thy name that is my enemy:
Thou art thyself, a cold, not a Monster.
What Monster? It is not hand nor face
Nor arm nor space nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O be some other name.
What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet, lest only we could smell;
So Covid would, were he not Covid call’d,
Retain that rare infection which he shows
Without that title. Covid, doff thy name,
And for that name, which is no part of thee,
Give me back myself.

270650 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Bill, #1339 of 1914 🔗


270628 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 15, #1340 of 1914 🔗

I’ve been racking my brains of late as to think up a simple but hard hitting way of describing to others why I genuinely find face masks so distressing. Does anyone have any ideas?

Somebody the other day, I think on Peter Hitchens’ Twitter, described them as ‘insidious’, which is a very good way of summing up the whole thing, but I’m not sure that would get through to the wider populace. I genuinely don’t think people are aware of how mentally and societally harmful these things will prove to be. Many perhaps assume that they are just a short term measure.

270633 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 18, #1341 of 1914 🔗

Unhygienic. Dehumanising. Sign of compliance. Fearmongering.

270640 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #1342 of 1914 🔗

I remember telling a hairdresser that I found them dehumanising. Which of course they are. His response – ‘well everything else is wearing them. It is what it is. There’s a pandemic’. Rinse and repeat. Not an awful person, but he clearly didn’t have a clue.

270684 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 8, #1343 of 1914 🔗

What really bothers me is that these people haven’t given a moment’s thought it seems to what is going to end this i.e. every day of every year we are carrying various germs around. So are they OK with wearing masks forever?

270909 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #1344 of 1914 🔗

That’s it. They don’t think about it at all. So many people seem unwilling to think beyond the end of their own noses. Therefore, they will never consider the medium, never mind long term.

270635 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 18, #1345 of 1914 🔗

It does make you wonder just what people would be prepared to do if the government told them to do it. I don’t think there is a limit. If you don’t have the capacity to think things through yourself, and you are more than happy to defer to ‘experts’, you’ll do literally anything the government tells you to do. Masks per se are not the issue; it’s the weak minds behind them.

270645 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Barney McGrew, 11, #1346 of 1914 🔗

It is deeply worrying. If I, by some twist of fate, ever become PM in the near future, maybe I’d try imposing the most ludicrous rules that I could think of in order to see just how craven and gullible people were. Something like you must hold a lollypop crossing patrol stick with you at all times upon leaving your house. Or you must wear a cone shaped hat with a D on it at all times. People would do it! As long as you justified it by saying that you’d be fined if you didn’t and it would ‘help save lives’ of course!

270665 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1347 of 1914 🔗

Ross Perot in the US, in 1992 made a major dent in the Presidential election as a 3rd party candidate (almost 20% of the popular vote) floated a policy of ‘ban all beards’ which he was known to enact in his business life. Seemingly few people noticed even his own VP pick had a beard.

270647 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #1348 of 1914 🔗

Mask wearing perpetuates the weak mindedness in others. That’s the idea.

270798 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1349 of 1914 🔗

In a way masks are a big issue, because they are so easily visible and they mark the wearer out as a Covid collaborator. Where I live mask wearers in the street are mostly the frightened old and infirm. Also some younger people seem to think masks look cool, though one look at the masked up elderly should tell them otherwise, but inexplicably it doesn’t seem to.

271099 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #1350 of 1914 🔗

I am waiting for some online megatroll to start a rumour that stuffing a hotdog sausage up each nostril prevents Covid. Just to see the loons do it.

270658 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 12, #1351 of 1914 🔗

I don’t think there’s any point trying to get people to think in abstract terms about facemasks. Just stick to ‘they don’t really protect against Covid and can actually cause problems because they are unhygienic. If they work, why didn’t we have to wear them when Covid was at its peak in March?’ etc.

270916 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1352 of 1914 🔗

I tried that ‘why weren’t we wearing them in March’ argument with that hairdresser I mentioned earlier. He made some irrelevant comparison with slavery. ‘Well, we can’t change what happened in the past. We should have been wearing them in March, but we weren’t.’ Yeah…

271149 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1353 of 1914 🔗

With logic like that, I’m glad his only responsibility is cutting hair!

270670 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 18, #1354 of 1914 🔗

I have a complete aversion to masks and never wear one. They are the worst thing for me and utterly despicable.

I have an NHS appointment next week at which I’ve been told ‘a mask must be worn’. I’m going to defy it and I’m also going to ask the doctor some pointed questions. For starters, if masks are a proven barrier to flu viruses why has the the NHS not thought to recommend them to us as a preventative measure in years gone by? ( what I really mean is why is any ‘Health’ service recommending a talisman?)

270917 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Marialta, #1355 of 1914 🔗

If they put a gun to my head, I’ve a very fetching novelty gas mask that I can wear. Bet they’d love that. Covers the eyes too so extra ‘Covid safe’…

271105 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Marialta, 2, #1356 of 1914 🔗

My hospital has a box at the door, you take one as you go in. The box specifically said the masks did not work for viruses.

270673 ▶▶ calchas, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1357 of 1914 🔗

They literally ‘deface’ human beings.

270691 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to calchas, 5, #1358 of 1914 🔗

‘Eyes without a face
Got no human grace
Your eyes without a face
Such a human waste’

Billy Idol

270678 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1359 of 1914 🔗

I, too, find it distressing not just to wear one but to see others wearing them. Early on I read something that has stuck with me: the only people who historically have worn masks are criminals, anarchists and perverts. A hard hitting image that has stayed with me and that I believe has been posted here in the past is the image of the African slave wearing a mask. That image should disturb everyone. I’m not the best with technology so maybe someone can post the image; might be worth printing it and carrying it with you to share with anyone on the fence who might be open to persuasion.

271011 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1360 of 1914 🔗

When I watch the demos from Germany, I always chuckle at myself. These days the police and authorities make mask wearing a requirement, when it is actually illegal to cover your face at demos after violent demos in the late 80s.

270686 ▶▶ Julian, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 12, #1361 of 1914 🔗

They are quite harmful and unpleasant and anyone who says they don’t find them unpleasant is simply a big fat liar because otherwise why do people keep fiddling with them?

But the main thing for me is we know they do not work and are not being mandated for public health reasons but to perpetuate the Big Lie and save various politician’s careers. So wearing one is to accept that we are happy to let ourselves be lied to by evil men and women, and follow their orders anyway. We hate masks because we love truth, and value truth above almost everything else.

270706 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 12, #1362 of 1914 🔗

I think the combination of masks being medically useless (and actually harmful if worn for extended periods), psychologically humiliating, aesthetically hideous and a sign of the wearer’s complete surrender of bodily autonomy to the state are my main concerns.

They’re a symbol of repression, self harm (lung problems), suffocation, compliance, success of propaganda, intimidation, aggression, conformity, deceit, fascism

270731 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1364 of 1914 🔗

I feel aggressive when I see them and even more thinking of them forced on people. If you said to most that antenna on their heads would help too, they would do it.

270744 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 6, #1365 of 1914 🔗

Just watching Ivor Cummins interview with dr Malcolm Kendrick. He said the problem is mask wearing seems to sound right. Cover my mouth stop a disease. But like a lot of science its counter intuitive. He used the case of the doctor who looked at surviving heart attack victims who were forced to lay still in bed and not move for a month. He started sitting people up and eventually coming up with what we do now which is to NOT lay still. But it does not sound right, people who worked on the ward were giving him a nazi salute as they thought he was killing them. In fact he was saving their life as we know now. Eventually the truth will come out about masks, and boy will the muggles be angry.

270922 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to mattghg, #1367 of 1914 🔗

Saw that on his Twitter. He’s bang on. His cartoons are also superb. Funny, but simultaneously serious and also often quite poignant.

271300 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1368 of 1914 🔗

The Borg. You will be assimilated…..

270632 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1369 of 1914 🔗


270661 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1370 of 1914 🔗

Need to turn up in numbers. The dictatorship probably won’t allow protests next year either.

270634 wat tyler, #1371 of 1914 🔗

Hi i’ve just wached a Mike Yeadon video on youtube called EXPERT ON VIRUSES DISAGREES WITH LIBERAL POLITICIANS ,is this the video he did for the unlocked group ? .It is in his garage and has an unlocked padlock sign on screen .I’m shit at tech and need to learn how to send link so if anyone can find and link THANKS . Maybe i’m behind the news but i didn’t know his video was reinstated and it look strange it only has 16 000 views .

270638 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #1372 of 1914 🔗

Anyone here who lives in Bristol? A bakery that has a death wish and is also begging to be sued for discriminating against people with disabilities:



270643 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1373 of 1914 🔗

I understand the zoo is closing in Bristol, been there since the 1830s ☹️

270723 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Liam, #1374 of 1914 🔗


270766 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Liam, 2, #1375 of 1914 🔗

I think they are planning to move to an out of town site and build a bigger zoo. The current zoo is in one of the most expensive parts of Bristol so I can kind of understand why it might be a shrewd move to sell that land and move somewhere where you can get more land for your money. I’ll still be sad to see it go from the current site though.

270659 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #1376 of 1914 🔗
270663 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 7, #1377 of 1914 🔗

I really think such planks are in the minority. Have seen a few businesses think they have read the public mood and go no masks no entry. They get backlash immediately, especially on their social media where people feel more able to vent

270774 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to leggy, 2, #1378 of 1914 🔗

Wow, it’s reassuring to see all those comments!

270793 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to leggy, 8, #1379 of 1914 🔗

Best comment: “Hi Pinkmans, I run a PR company and we’d like to represent you as we think we’d do a better job than your current outfit. We used to do the PR for Harold Shipman, Peter Sutcliffe, Margaret Thatcher, Myra Hindley and Jeremy Beadle so you can see you’ll be in good hands. Really looking forward to working with you.”

270815 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to leggy, 2, #1380 of 1914 🔗

Just saw it. They’re really getting hammered badly.

270668 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #1381 of 1914 🔗

What a disgrace! I’d boycott for sure. I just tried to book a service I had in October from a business that honoured my mask exemption but now says they’ve been given new “protocols” from our local public health unit and are no longer allowed to provide services to anyone not in a mask. I wrote back and explained to them that this new guidance is just that, and does not supersede the law. There has been no change in Ontario’s masking law, including exemptions, and so as a business they are actually breaching the law and I could sue them in small claims court or launch a human rights complaint. I’m trying to educate more than anything because small businesses don’t really understand their obligations and are being bullied into breaking the law by unelected public health officials. It remains to be seen whether they want my business or not but I’m hoping they reconsider after reading my response. We must both educate and push back against these businesses.

270817 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1382 of 1914 🔗

Well said. I’ve always despaired at the use of “Covid safety” to justify poor customer service, discrimination and bullying. We should push back and say that this is unacceptable.

270648 rose, replying to rose, 15, #1383 of 1914 🔗

My sister in law has had 6 text messages in the last 2 weeks about results of Covid tests that she never had. She has been negative once and positive five times. No wonder we’re in tier 3

270662 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to rose, 3, #1384 of 1914 🔗

Brewery/P×ss up ?,?,?

270703 ▶▶ Ben, replying to rose, 1, #1385 of 1914 🔗

Did she download the NHS Track and Trace app?

271049 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Ben, #1386 of 1914 🔗


270713 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to rose, #1387 of 1914 🔗

I’ve sent a FOI request to the NHS/DHSC asking them how they are dealing with these non-existent positive cases because they told me they did send all positive tests are dealt with like this:

All positive sample extracts are sent to Sanger Institute which sequences the virus independent of Lighthouse Laboratories.

No answer as yet.

270724 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to rose, #1388 of 1914 🔗

How can this be?
“The UK’s Track ‘n’ trace system is world leading and is the gold standard of contact tracing technology”.
Sir Allen……

271169 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Two-Six, #1389 of 1914 🔗

Because a number of countries have not been stupid enough to mass test, – Japan certainly for a big part of the year (not sure currently) have really a comparatively low key testing regime, shock horror they were concentrating largely on vulnerable & y’know, actually sick people; BBC reported about the shocking approach raised serious questions!
Secondly – lots of countries dumping the testing. Merkel said something to that effect in Germany a few weeks ago (again not 100% sure of current status). couple of other countries, eg. Norway, forced to stop the test because of invasive privacy issues that were hauled up in court.
“World leading” could be technically correct depending on how much competition there is & what the measurement of success is… bit like the guy who wrote a booklet, sold one copy to his neighbour, and could legitimately say it was his “2007 Best Seller”. context is everything!

270809 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to rose, #1390 of 1914 🔗

Get her to send them to Peter Hitchens

270666 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 26, #1391 of 1914 🔗

Are MrsAwkward and myself super intelligent or the MSM and most people stupid?

Only asking as I cannot understand why the MSM keep saying that mass testing is bringing the infections down as if the test itself cures you of it and the morons and idiots they interview go along with it without blinking an eyelid or a brain cell overheating.

270675 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1392 of 1914 🔗

You and the Mrs are super intelligent, as is everyone else on this forum, and the MSM and many others are either stupid or evil or both

270701 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Julian, 4, #1393 of 1914 🔗

Thank you for agreeing with me – great minds think alike or is it a case of fools seldom differ?

270697 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1394 of 1914 🔗

It is the same weird psycho-babble that they employ to peddle smart meters, to my mind testing, smart meters and phone apps are all about control, about the powers that be knowing all about you and what you are doing so that they can exert control.

270783 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1395 of 1914 🔗

I sent my non-consent for a smart meter letter to all my utility companies a few years ago.

It does work and after a few times when they try and get you to have one and you say “check my records, I’ve registered non-consent so stop contacting me or else” the hassle all stops.

They were very apologetic when they even tried the underhanded technique of saying our electric meter needed maintenance by a 3rd party contractor and may need changed depending on what was found wrong with it and I called them, explained the situation and the 3rd party contractor back pedalled big time, called the utility company who called me back in minutes grovelling and creeping about a mix up in databases and so on.

Water company wanted to install something similar as well for bluetooth/wireless/rfid transmitter technology add-on so the guy doesn’t have to knock the door and that was promptly stopped as well.

Just mention electromagnetic hypersensitivity and they go all defensive and really back off.

Just agree to give them a meter reading whenever they one that’s it – you have to do this with a smart meter as well, they don’t really tell anyone that though – so it’s not any different from what you have to do anyway.

270802 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1396 of 1914 🔗

Oh God, don’t! I’ve just had yet another huge row with Bulb over that very thing today. For about the fourth time now, I think.

Today, I just said put me through to cancellations, who were ‘engaged’ she said. They promised it won’t happen again… again.

270862 ▶▶ ArjayD, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1397 of 1914 🔗

Actually the reason why the mass-testing is bringing infection cases down ie Liverpool, where only 0.04% of 500,000 people tested were found to have the virus, is because in Liverpool they used the Lateral Flow Test, which only picks up live virus. Actual live virus – not multiple strands of dead or old virus from previous infections like the PCR test has been picking up since they started Pillar 2 testing (community testing). Only live virus can infect a person (ie transmission), and only live virus can make a person sick. If they keep on using the LFT for mass-testing, then it will indeed bring ‘cases’ down. Because huge numbers of the ‘cases’ were never cases in the first place. The whole thing, all of it, the overreaction, all of it, has been caused by the inappropriate use of the PCR test. The PCR test was only ever designed/sanctioned, by the inventor of it, to be used in clinical settings by trained professionals, and only on people with symptoms of sickness. It was never designed to be used as a diagnostic tool on its own (ie no symptoms, no clinical assessment of symptoms) outside of a clinical setting, ie doctor’s/nurses office or sterile lab. The actual PCR machine carries a warning label on its side when it leaves the manufacturer – Not To Be Used As A Standalone Diagnostic Tool (I’m paraphrasing here) only for ‘screening’ purposes, ie to help a doctor confirm a diagnosis after he/she suspects a particular condition. And in inexperienced or untrained hands it is susceptible to huge discrepancies. If they stop using the PCR test in Pillar 2 testing, and continue mass-testing using the LFT, the virus will suddenly virtually disappear – except for those who are genuinely sick with cv. Y es that’s right, virtually disappear , because it was never as bad as ‘they’ve’ led us to believe. CSO & CMO would’ve known this, had they sought any advice or direction from people far more expert on this matter than them. ie Scientists outside of SAGE & outside of Neil Ferguson’s Research Centre at Imperial College. I believe they were determined not to seek any outside expert opinion or input. I’ll you to decide for yourselves the reasons why that might be the case. Don’t let anyone feed you the bs that the LFTs are unreliable or faulty or unsuitable for use. It is just that – BS. I have my sources.

270873 ▶▶▶ ArjayD, replying to ArjayD, 2, #1398 of 1914 🔗

Ps. The BBC is definitely not going to reveal this one. I doubt very much they will even get a whiff of it. It will all start to go into reverse very very quietly. Starting with the announcement that mass-testing will bring ‘cases’ down. And we’ve already seen that. But only if GovUK REALLY wants to get out of this mess. Very quietly, expect to see the disappearance of Vallance, Whitty and Hancock over the next few weeks. You will see less and less of them. If it’s in the interests of BJ himself, and his cronies, to keep this theatre going until ‘whenever’ – then you can bet you will hear the narrative on the MSM that the Lateral Flow Tests have been proven to be faulty or unreliable in the detection of Covid. And this BS will come out of SAGE too. And ALL this BS will continue. Only agree to get tested as long as you’ve made rock-solid sure that you are receiving a LFT not a PCR test. Best wishes from a concerned citizen.

270879 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ArjayD, 1, #1399 of 1914 🔗

I’ve been waiting for the govt to claim that the LFTs are missing all those cases. But instead they’ve decided to claim that the very act of using them has virtually eradicated the virus. Maybe a hopeful sign?

270882 ▶▶▶▶ ArjayD, replying to ArjayD, #1400 of 1914 🔗

Pps. I’m banking on Johnson valuing his political career over any potential $billions in back-handers, from dubious PPE contracts, dubious Test & Trace contracts and Big Pharma Vaccine companies. And mega-rich ‘philanthropic’ organisations.

270669 ArjayD, replying to ArjayD, 3, #1401 of 1914 🔗

Harriet Baldwin (her words below) – my MP before moving house. Now it’s Nigel Huddleston. Unfortunately. I’ve written to him six times since April this year and I haven’t had a single reply. Harriet Baldwin at least used to reply. I used to get actual hard-copy letters on Parliament-headed paper. Has NH now joined the Covid Recovery Group perchance? Former Party whip? Is he now finally up in arms – because WE are now in Tier 2 instead of 1? How dare BJ put *his* constituency in Tier 2? Now of course we need to see the evidence for that don’t we? “I thought you were my fwend Boris”.

I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep having to live under cycles of damaging lockdowns and severe restrictions, and to reform NHS Test & Trace so that only the infectious individuals and their close contacts have to isolate.
Over 23 million of us were living under Tier 1 restrictions before the lockdown – that figure will be under 1 million in December. There is no logic whatsoever in having a month of lockdown only for people to have to live under an even more severe set of restrictions afterwards.
That’s why we must see the evidence, the data and the cost benefit analysis – published in full and on time – so that we can assess whether or not the current strategy is working, and make sure we know if we are being asked to vote for something with an end date and which will explicitly save more lives than it costs”

HB, don’t you think you ought to have insisted on seeing the above evidence – data/cost:benefit analysis BEFORE you voted for the second lockdown?

You all mostly make me sick. Sir Desmond Swayne for PM. Or Sir Graham Brady. But I can’t help being swayed by Desmond Swayne’s passion. And cahunas to speak out the way he did in the HoC. Pity there was a hardly anybody there to see/hear him.

God help us. That’s all I can say.

270672 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ArjayD, 1, #1402 of 1914 🔗

Yes, better late than never from Baldwin but what strategy did she think was going to be developed in those 28 days? Ci fai o ci sei? As they say in Italy. Are you really thick or are you just pretending?

270782 ▶▶▶ ArjayD, replying to Julian, #1403 of 1914 🔗

You’ve made a very good point. Love that – not familiar with Italian – more of a French/Spanish sort of person. But it’s probably a very accurate assessment. I have actually wondered this year, Coronavirus2020 year, what percentage of British parliamentarians actually do have even a modicum of intelligence/critical thinking skills. But I can’t make my mind up if they’re thick or just don’t care enough to do the job properly. And they’re actually only interested in their career and political ascension.

271154 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to ArjayD, #1404 of 1914 🔗

“w hat percentage of British parliamentarians actually do have even a modicum of intelligence/critical thinking skills.”
Interesting conundrum.. in the last few weeks I have seen two examples on MSM, not sure if they were Parliamentarians, but maybe junior Ministers but they were apparently something in Gov; – one saying the low est. transmission rate between schoolchildren is because “they are quite little” and another saying, ‘I know electric cars are expensive but in the future you’ll still be able to get around on a bicycle’ – I can see an advertising campaign now: ‘Look at all these brilliant cycle lanes – perfect for those weekly household supermarket shops, or trips with your pet to the vet…’!

270718 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to ArjayD, 1, #1405 of 1914 🔗

My MP never replies despite voting against the government every time, like he doesnt care what his constituents think anyway. At least he’s doing the right thing even if it is for himself.

270871 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ArjayD, 1, #1406 of 1914 🔗

Did all those MPs really believe that Johnson and cronies would come up with some amazing new strategy in just 4 weeks when they haven’t managed to do so in nearly 9 months? If so they are even thicker than I thought, and that’s saying something. What did they think would happen? We’d be off singing into the sunset come Dec 2, frollicking off to the pub and the theatre like we did pre-March 2020? Surely it’s obvious even to the dimmest of the dim that lockdown is the only strategy that has ever been and ever will be?!

270671 Gracie, replying to Gracie, 2, #1407 of 1914 🔗

I have just sent a large number of emails to Keir Starmer in an attempt to clog up his in-box a bit. Each one is headed PLEASE DON’T SUPPORT LOCKDOWNS OR THIS NEW TIER SYSTEM worded in various ways.

I have also wittily called him Sir Tier Skarmer in one or two of them.

I doubt that I will receive a reply but if everyone sends 5 or 6 quick emails along these lines he might get a vague sort of sense that many people are desperately opposed to the whole appalling business.

Just a thought.

His email address is leader@labour.org or somesuch. Sorry I’m not sufficiently well versed to do a link. It’s quite easy to find though.

271136 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Gracie, #1408 of 1914 🔗

Keir Starmer has no humanity to appeal to I’m afraid

270690 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1409 of 1914 🔗

Can anyone explain how the WEF’s Klaus Schwab already have 12.5 K followers on Twatter when he has only twatted once and that was yesterday?

270710 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Awkward Git, #1410 of 1914 🔗

Are they all abusive?

270749 ▶▶ Ray, replying to Awkward Git, #1411 of 1914 🔗

Maybe it was PCR tested with a high CT.

270771 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Awkward Git, #1412 of 1914 🔗

That’ll be the AI he keeps going on about.

270795 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1413 of 1914 🔗

Well, there’s Bojo, Handjob, Kier, Manny, Mutti, Bliar, Krankie, Dan A., Rosa Klebb, Kronsteen…

270804 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1414 of 1914 🔗
270854 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Waldorf, #1415 of 1914 🔗

Quality! Love Vlad. 🙂

270695 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 10, #1416 of 1914 🔗

So I stumbled on the news – damn! Couldn’t avoid it in time! And I saw all the bright red splurges on the map and bletherings about “tiers” and then stuff about vaccines and Boris in a lab and working a big test tube machine etc. And I had this really odd feeling that everyone would stop and they would try to control their facial muscles – but eventually they wouldn’t be able to help themselves. They would twitch, they would waver, they would crack and then they’d start guffawing uncontrollably and never be able to stop. “Covid? Har har! Oh we can’t keep spouting this crap any longer!”

270996 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to George Mc, #1417 of 1914 🔗

Was it ch4 news? Did you see that excuse of a scientist talking why we need lockdowns?
She did not bring 1 plausible argument.

271090 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Silke David, #1418 of 1914 🔗

Ch4 are the most biased of the MSM lot , they make the BBC look almost impartial – CH4 do not even bother pretending to be balanced

270696 CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #1419 of 1914 🔗

I keep having this dream (fantasy maybe) that we go to sleep on December 31st and when we wake up it is January 2020 again and we get a do over. That this version of 2020 never happened. That we wake up from this nightmare. I’ve just looked up current and ongoing restrictions in France and Germany (can’t even deal with knowing about Spain.) A living nightmare and worst for the most disadvantaged. We are being ravaged. By what??! Human fear. Where can we go? Where is it safe?

270700 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1420 of 1914 🔗

How on earth do these TV reporters keep a straight face?
“Don’t play board games at Christmas”.
“Have a virtual Christmas”.
Open windows in the middle of the winter” “Postpone Christmas until next year”.
Because of blah,blah,blah,blah.

270752 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1421 of 1914 🔗

God knows

If they follow this rubbish themselves they are clearly mad/damaged/reptilian

if they don’t follow it they are hypocrites

270702 dommo, replying to dommo, 10, #1422 of 1914 🔗

ladies & gentlemen, start your engines:-


270717 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to dommo, 3, #1423 of 1914 🔗


270741 ▶▶ ArjayD, replying to dommo, 1, #1424 of 1914 🔗

Amazing. Thank you for that link. But I am being prevented from signing up to the channel to get updates. Anyone else?
I have been the subject of a great deal of shaddow-banning this year on Tw & YT etc, and my very experienced and highly capable ‘full-stack’ web dev son believes both my laptop and my phone have either been hacked or our actual LAN has been cyber-attacked/stalked via our IP address. He hasn’t had time yet to look into it fully and so I’m still in the dark relatively speaking as to how it’s actually happening. But happening it is.

270893 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to ArjayD, #1425 of 1914 🔗

I’m on a Chromebook and it says ‘Google Chrome OS can’t open this page’

270945 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, #1426 of 1914 🔗

I’ve sent the link to some people on Messenger and they say they can’t get into to it. I can still get into it, but just get the above message when I click the button to receive updates.

270748 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to dommo, #1427 of 1914 🔗

Fantastic, I support this 100%.

270772 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dommo, #1428 of 1914 🔗

Was inevitable, wasn’t it?

270938 ▶▶ calchas, replying to dommo, #1429 of 1914 🔗

Brilliant !

270707 ArjayD, replying to ArjayD, 3, #1430 of 1914 🔗

‘While Labour continues to support the Government’s Covid strategy no Tory rebellion can realistically succeed. However, relying on opposition MPs to bail you out is never a good look for a Prime Minister and often means his (or her) days are numbered. And what if Keir Starmer sniffs an opportunity and switches to opposing the measures? The new tier system, in which the majority of English citizens have been placed in a higher tier than they were before the four-week lockdown, looks to be a massive own-goal by Boris and is bound to poll badly. Starmer may conclude that opposing the measures – and calling for a continuing national lockdown instead – is a way to ingratiate himself with Labour’s traditional voters in the Midlands and the North who’ve been placed in Tier 3, particularly those that deserted the party for the Conservatives last December.’

Aahh ha ha ha ha – they’re both hanging themselves with their own rope – ahh ha ha ha!

‘Starmer may conclude that opposing the measures – and calling for a continuing national lockdown instead – is a way to ingratiate himself with Labour’s traditional voters in the Midlands and the North’

‘Labour’s traditional voters’ – I love the use of the word traditional here. You mean the middle-classes? Because you’re most definitely not talking about the realLabour voters. They’re abandoning Labour in their droves – utterly disgusted. Those paying attention anyway. Both BJ & KS are most definitely hanging themselves by their own rope. And they most definitely deserve every last knot.

If this shower are still in by the next election – which is looking increasingly unlikely (thank God!) – then I shall be defacing my ballot paper in protest. If Keir Starmer is still standing as Labour Party Leader in 2024, and someone whom I can get behind is standing for the Cons.Party, then I will be voting Conservative for the first time in my life. I’m 54.

270861 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ArjayD, 2, #1431 of 1914 🔗

I don’t understand the logic here – why would people who are annoyed to be in Tier 3 be pleased to go back into a full lockdown? Because they want the whole country to suffer together? Doesn’t make sense to me.

270887 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A. Contrarian, #1432 of 1914 🔗

If you don’t understand it, that makes you sane

271320 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to A. Contrarian, #1433 of 1914 🔗

Doesn’t make sense because that’s not what we want. Total BS to divide us. We want tier 0 country wide.

270709 Ned of the Hills, 3, #1434 of 1914 🔗

On the 10th November “Aban ” posted on Lockdownsceptics the following:-

“Modelling the change in 7 day average patients in English hospitals. Rate of Increase has fallen from peak of 66.8% on 19 sep to currently 20%. Rate of increase is Decreasing at 0.94% at a broadly linear rate per day. Current trajectory puts peak of 13,715 patients in English hospitals (7 day average) on 26 November, then starts falling.”

The peak looks like it was the 23rd. Or is it too soon to speak? But Aban appears to be almost bang on with the number. On the 23rd the number was 13,767

On the 3rd November Chris Whitty told the Commons Science and Technology Committee:

“It is clear that hospitalisations are on an “exponential curve” upwards, with inpatient numbers topping 10,000 in England today and set to increase”

Does that sound like he was predicting a number under14,000 three weeks later?

How is it that Aban is better at predicting than he is?

Who is Aban?

Here are the latest hospitalisation figures for England:-

26-11-2020 13,028

25-11-2020 13,337

24-11-2020 13,587

23-11-2020 13,767

22-11-2020 13,445

21-11-2020 13,214

20-11-2020 13,364

(If Mr. Whitty was a clairvoyant he’d clearly be starving.)

270715 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #1435 of 1914 🔗
270768 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, 21, #1436 of 1914 🔗

Duncan Larcombe, whose daughter received the wrong result, said it was “more than an inconvenient mistake”.

The PR company director, from Maidstone, Kent, said his two children, aged 14 and nine, were both sent home from school to self-isolate and he was unable to work.

His said his 14-year-old daughter had not left her bedroom for four days, with meals being left outside her door, until the family learned the result was void on Thursday.

“We were taking it very seriously,” he said.

Am I reading this right? Did this fucking clown lock his daughter in her room for 4 days?

What a twat!

270818 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1437 of 1914 🔗

I don’t believe it

more propaganda

270921 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1438 of 1914 🔗

Josef fritzl

270989 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Ceriain, #1439 of 1914 🔗


270722 Fruitbat, replying to Fruitbat, 42, #1440 of 1914 🔗

Massive thanks to everyone who posted kind words of encouragement on my earlier post when I was having an existential crisis about ditching the visor for my weekly trip to Waitrose. Anyway, I did it – yay! And now having done it once, I know I can do it again. In fact, talking to the checkout lady about mask exemptions she told me that her daughter has severe asthma and would therefore be exempt from wearing one, however, despite her breathing difficulties she insists on wearing one in order to feel like she is doing the right thing and to not be judged by others. This makes me more resolved than ever that it is my civic duty to do everything I can to help re-normalise being normal again.

270728 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Fruitbat, 7, #1441 of 1914 🔗

well done! the more you go face naked the easier it is. even when surrounded by the brainless zombies.

270729 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Fruitbat, 5, #1442 of 1914 🔗

Fruitbat it gets easier with each shopping trip.

270732 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fruitbat, 9, #1443 of 1914 🔗

Great work. I missed your earlier post, so for what it’s worth I’ll add how utterly asinine it is for anyone to think that a visor can prevent viral transmission. It was nothing more than a sign that you were willing to surrender your bodily autonomy to the (criminal and psychopathic) state, so by ditching it you are reclaiming that autonomy.

270740 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Richard O, 1, #1444 of 1914 🔗

Thanks Richard. The only reason I was wearing a visor before was to try and reduce the overpowering feeling that all the masked zombies would be judging me.

270751 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fruitbat, 4, #1445 of 1914 🔗

And now you have conquered that feeling, which is brilliant. If anyone gives you a hard time, just remember that they are brainwashed and therefore in no position to be the judge of anything.

270984 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #1446 of 1914 🔗

Why care what zombies think?
That having been said, you may be sure that many of those nappied goons hate the loathsome things and envy your courage.

270987 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #1447 of 1914 🔗

I love looking at people and show them a big smile.
Often they avoid me, I think, jealous or embarrassed.
Makes me feel better to see them cringe, and I feel like I can encourage them to take their face covering off.

270738 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Fruitbat, 15, #1448 of 1914 🔗

Good on you! I had my first experience this week as well — had to go into a government office for something that couldn’t be done online. I walked right in, made no eye contact with anyone (except the person serving me of course), and was helped without incident. The government employees do know they can’t discriminate so I knew I’d be OK. Haven’t gone into a grocery store yet but hubby confirmed with the store we frequent that I would not be hassled if I came into the store mask free. I haven’t been since July and he’s been doing all the shopping, but perhaps I’ll give it a go. All of you give me courage!

270746 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1449 of 1914 🔗

Fantastic! I am sure as many others have said, it gets easier the more you go for it.

270866 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Fruitbat, 2, #1450 of 1914 🔗

It’s actually quite good fun, I find.

271226 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1451 of 1914 🔗

Do it. Scary at first but I now find it rather enjoyable. I just pretend to myself that the masked fools do not exist.

271303 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to stevie119, 1, #1452 of 1914 🔗

Recently 4 hours at The Trafford Centre I was one of only four people from thousands not wearing a mask. I felt totally normal. I was there with my granddaughters (5 and 18) and totally refuse to damage them psychologically by masking up anywhere.
However my heart was heavy at the sight of the masked masses thinking they’re doing the right thing.

270757 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Fruitbat, 2, #1453 of 1914 🔗

Well done! Welcome back to the human race! 🙂

270760 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Fruitbat, 9, #1454 of 1914 🔗

Do you know – it is remarkably easy. Never had a problem anywhere, not once. Most people don’t care or are more nervous of saying something than you are of hearing it.

It always makes me happy to see another maskless person in any shop – and the more of us people see, the braver they will become. The journey to freedom starts with a single mask. Well done mate

270807 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Jakehadlee, 5, #1455 of 1914 🔗

Thank you. I will be so happy the day I actually see another unmasked shopper in Waitrose that I probably won’t be able to stop myself running over and giving them a hug!

270986 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fruitbat, #1456 of 1914 🔗

You do that, Fruitbat!

271029 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Fruitbat, #1457 of 1914 🔗

If it’s me, we’ll then perform a little jig in front of the patisserie counter.

271277 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fruitbat, #1458 of 1914 🔗

If it’s me, my wife will start to beat me around the head with her umbrella …

270776 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Fruitbat, 5, #1459 of 1914 🔗

Well done! I am so pleased that I backed myself into a corner right at the start of this such that I couldn’t wear the damned thing. It must take even steelier balls than mine to go bare face having worn it. But I do have a sense of how awkward it can feel. And, in spite of people on here saying there is nothing to fear, one never quite knows… I for one often feel the fear. Really well done!

270805 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Ovis, 3, #1460 of 1914 🔗

Thanks Ovis, I kept reminding myself of the book by Susan Jeffers ‘Feel the Fear and Do it Anyway!’

270814 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #1461 of 1914 🔗

Well done Fruit bat , Thumbs up Emoji directed at you .

270832 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fruitbat, #1462 of 1914 🔗

Woohoo!!! Once you’ve done it, it becomes easier with each passing day.

270833 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Fruitbat, 4, #1463 of 1914 🔗

Whilst you are now feeling proud and relieved that you have made you first trip into what was the unknown, you are part of a slowly growing movement.

You should be proud of both your achievements.

270730 Christopher, replying to Christopher, 63, #1464 of 1914 🔗

Interesting tale from chap I work with regarding masks . He was shopping yesterday in the Pet Store in my part of Essex when a rather well dolled up middle aged lady in the same aisle was approached by let’s say some in my local parlance ” Some Busy Bollocks in a mask ” , he made a comment to her along the lines of ” lovely hair you have there darling , You would look even better if you had a mask on ” . The woman’s response was a thing of fierce beauty by all accounts ” Yes my hair does look lovely thanks ” she replied ” And my day would be even better if you F#cked and you mind your own F#cking business , now F#ckoff and leave me to shop in peace ” . She then began to berate him as a Slave and a Sheep and that she will never ware a mask of compliance just to please brainwashed F#ckwits like him . The masked goon left with his tale between his legs . The anti mask Glamour Lady carried on with her shopping as if nothing had happened and left with her head heled high while the other desperate masked customers all looking on at her with dead eyed envy .
My colleague finished the story by adding ” You’d have loved her Chris ” and by the sounds of her , Yes I certainly would 😉

270734 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Christopher, 3, #1465 of 1914 🔗

Hahahahaha. This is brilliant.

270737 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Christopher, 1, #1466 of 1914 🔗

Excellent, sign her up!

270742 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Christopher, 1, #1467 of 1914 🔗

Brilliant lady.

270745 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Christopher, 2, #1468 of 1914 🔗

I love her already.

270767 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Liam, 5, #1469 of 1914 🔗

Apparently she was very easy on the eye so to speak , obviously has a brain and is fiercely independent , what’s not to love ? 😉

270974 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, 1, #1470 of 1914 🔗

And me. And every person with a face. The good and the bad and the ugly, the long and the short and the tall.

270777 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Christopher, 24, #1471 of 1914 🔗

Our friend,a feisty 71 year old Yorkshire lass was,queuing to pay in Home bargains a few days ago when she noticed the two teenage school girls behind her were making disparaging comments about her being maskless.She was wearing her exemption card so she turned around shoved it in their faces and loudly said.’don’t they bloody teach reading at school these days ?’,suitably embarrassed the girls made themselves scarce.
Also,yesterday,our friend was walking in her village when she met a swerver who moved onto the road to avoid her and said.’you can’t be too careful,we’ve got to keep safe’ to which our friend replied,’so bugger off home and damn well stay there then !’.

270785 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Paul, 4, #1472 of 1914 🔗

Love the last comment , shall use that one myself .

271109 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Paul, 1, #1473 of 1914 🔗

Another good reply would be ‘I can’t wear a mask because of a disability. Do you usually make fun of disabled people?’

271272 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, #1474 of 1914 🔗

Good one. Afraid I fall back on the “Fuck off” as standard.

270826 ▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Christopher, 14, #1475 of 1914 🔗

I work in NHS outpatients and I had one patient in her 80’s who not only refused to wear a mask (which is fine by me) but she also demanded that I take my visor off. I had to fight the urge to give her a hug!

270896 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Fruitbat, 9, #1476 of 1914 🔗

That’s great.

I was more than usually low yesterday, after dropping wife off at the station and seeing all the people walking about wearing their face panties. Then I went to the supermarket where there was more of the same. Went again today for more provisions at Sainsburys, where every human face was covered up, except mine.

I was wondering why I feel so angry, depressed, even anxious, in these situations, and the penny finally dropped. We humans are social animals. For our entire lives we have used our facial expressions to give and receive 90% of all communication.

Hiding our expressions takes away a large part of what it is to be a human being. Why can’t people see this?

270980 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to charleyfarley, 4, #1477 of 1914 🔗

Because they have lost what it takes to be a human being.

271041 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #1478 of 1914 🔗


Fear of virus.
Fear of confrontation with a mask nazi or the perlice.

271371 ▶▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to charleyfarley, #1479 of 1914 🔗

I really hope the majority of people who are complying with the mask mandate are doing so to avoid potential confrontation and not because they actually believe it protects them or others from illness. At least that way there is some hope that people will abandon them when they see enough people choosing not to wear them.

270977 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #1480 of 1914 🔗

Pity you fought it!

270830 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Christopher, 3, #1481 of 1914 🔗

You don’t mess with a lady like that. Well done her, that busybody must be shitting himself.

270834 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1482 of 1914 🔗

He will certainly think twice before sticking his masked beak in where it’s not wanted in future .

271026 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Christopher, 1, #1483 of 1914 🔗

Fabulous story. I am keenly ready to follow her lead the next time anyone gives me any trouble AT ALL as I shop maskless.

270736 watashi, replying to watashi, 11, #1484 of 1914 🔗

Last week I tried to purchase a coffee at a new coffee shop that has opened in town-wanting to support them and all.. Having ordered I was told that they were not allowed to take cash. ‘The council has told us not to’ I was informed. Couldn’t quite believe that but then yesterday at the open air market I was told twice by different stallholders that they weren’t supposed to be taking cash -the council has told them not to.
Does anyone know where one stands in this situation? surely it’s legal tender and they can’t refuse it??

270739 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to watashi, 2, #1485 of 1914 🔗

I’ve often wondered that but then you can’t use cash on buses etc. so there must be something in the law that now allows them to refuse it? Or maybe the get out for the oyster card etc. is that you can use cash to top it up?

But like you I was under the impression nowhere could refuse cash.

270792 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1486 of 1914 🔗

It’s legal tender. Idiotic Council.

270825 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #1487 of 1914 🔗

It is legal tender but as others have said they can refuse cash if they wish, as long as everyone is treated the same.

271258 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1488 of 1914 🔗

We can use cash on buses in Sussex.

270750 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to watashi, 3, #1489 of 1914 🔗

It’s up to the shop how they would like paid – as long as it applies to all and is not discriminatory in any way.

Same theory a night clubs having a dress code or pubs setting a minimum age.

Your choice if you want to abide by their wishes or go somewhere else.

270770 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Awkward Git, #1490 of 1914 🔗

Ah, ok , thanks AG. Just thought it strange that they all mentioned ‘the council’

270790 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to watashi, 8, #1491 of 1914 🔗

Council PHE officers are recommending it – Telford and Wrekin even make the roadside burger vans have a money box and tell them to disinfect cash and leave it for 3 days before touching it.

Pity when asked under FOI councils have all replied “we have no science to justify anything” so it’s all just bullshit by idiots trying to push businesses around.

270799 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1492 of 1914 🔗

Your last paragraph is the key one. I reckon they need to be pushed hard in providing evidence.

270822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1493 of 1914 🔗

“Council…. officer” enough said.

270778 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to watashi, 2, #1494 of 1914 🔗

It’s legal tender. As I pointed out on the underground a couple of months back. I paid cash… eventually.

270865 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1495 of 1914 🔗

Royal Mint: “Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. “

270812 ▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to watashi, 2, #1496 of 1914 🔗

What makes me laugh is the cafes I’ve been too where they refuse to use my reusable cup because they are not allowed to touch it but then they are happy to take cash. What is that about?!

270859 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Fruitbat, 7, #1497 of 1914 🔗

I bought a coffee with a friend, they refused his reusable cup, not allowed to touch it. Then, very kindly handed me the receipt!

270973 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to NickR, 1, #1498 of 1914 🔗

My ex-employer, Sodexo, an international catering company, stopped us stamping loyalty cards.
The official line was the card could be contaminated with virus (no cash taken as well), but of course they just did not want to give sth away for free, considering increased costs, less customers. They have a contract staffing and running test sites, they are raking it in.
Our customers were of course, lets say annoyed.

270819 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to watashi, 4, #1499 of 1914 🔗

I have found that letting the seller weight out or package your purchase then proffer them cash, amazing how if they want the sale they will take the cash. Only failed once and that was a sweet shop , quiet willing to take cash but did not have sufficient change as they were so quiet.

Works really well in bars when they have pulled a couple of pints!

271101 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to watashi, #1500 of 1914 🔗

A shop or business does not have to accept ‘legal tender’. Before you enter into a contract with them (ie, agree to make a purchase), they can specify what type of payment they accept – it could be cash, cards, or pebbles from the beach – but they cannot agree to a purchase and then insist that they will not accept legal tender (ie, cash). Eg if you had a meal in a restaurant and then when the bill comes they say ‘cards only’ you would be entitled to refuse payment except in cash. If they sue you, the court allows cash as settlement. Legal tender is that which is accepted by a court as settlement of a debt.

271255 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to watashi, #1501 of 1914 🔗

Which council, watashi ?

270743 Mel, replying to Mel, 10, #1502 of 1914 🔗

Oh terrific. In tier 3, my tea kwondo club can’t open for over 18s (I’m a Black belt), but I can get my fucking eyebrows plucked. Triific.

270803 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mel, 3, #1503 of 1914 🔗

Any chance you could accidentally bump into Wancock in a dark alley, Mel. Don’t kill him, just a few broken bones, especially his jaw would suffice!?!

270806 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Will, 4, #1504 of 1914 🔗

I have dreams where I use him as a weapon to put Chris Whitty out of his misery…

270823 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Mel, 1, #1505 of 1914 🔗

Chris Whitty’s misery?

270851 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mel, 2, #1506 of 1914 🔗

The thing that irritates me most – or at least one of the many things – is the fact that I could go and sit in a stadium with 2000 other strangers from who knows where, but I’m not allowed to go and see my mum. If only we could monetise visiting friends and family, I’m sure the government would be all for it.

271252 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mel, #1507 of 1914 🔗

In tier 3, my tea kwondo club can’t open for over 18s …

You stop for a cuppa in between bouts ? 🙂 🙂 🙂

(it can’t legally open, maybe, but people could just agree to meet up and ignore the bollox.).

270755 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #1508 of 1914 🔗

Northern Ireland
It was the lockdown wot won it?

270762 ▶▶ NickR, replying to NickR, 1, #1509 of 1914 🔗

Check the headlines, they’ll report on each ‘spike’, then ignore it for a few days, ‘cases’ held back then reported again & BBC say a 40% on last 2 days or whatever bollox!

270756 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 41, #1510 of 1914 🔗

Save us, please, from these complacent, arrogant, comfortable, smug, clueless middle class arseholes who live in the High Peak!  Rant Warning:

I often describe us as living in the country, which we do, but really it’s suburbia with all the small-minded attitudes that go with that. This area has been a handy retreat for Manchester commuters since the railway was built and attracts professionals who choose to live here rather than breathe the pollution in Manc or live right under the Manchester airport flight-path in Stockport.

Suffice to say that just about all the people we know in this category are BBC-watching, Guardian-reading, Arsebook-following Lockdown Zealots and you cannot reason with them.

On the walk back from Whaley Bridge today, we encountered 2 such. He is a teacher and amateur musician, she a professional player with one of the big orchestras. At first it was OK but he mentioned the kids wearing masks at his school. We described it as child abuse and he looked shocked. Mrs seemed more intrigued, especially when we said we’d never worn them. She asked if we got ‘shouted at’ and we said we didn’t. Then, he started to get angry and told us that he had no intention of being in any shop with people breathing The Virus on him and we asked him if he knew of the Danish mask study. Oh, he said he’d read them all (really?) and he had no doubt that masks ‘stop the spread’ and people should wear them. At that point she got very twitchy, mumbled something about agreeing to differ and dragged him off. We were just laughing, not rudely but really in incredulity at his pig-ignorance.

Show me a farmer, a shop-keeper, a hairdresser and I’ll show you a sceptic. Show me a highly-educated middle-class professional and I’ll show you a zealot. There seem to be few exceptions to this in our experience; ‘not sure what happened to us but we suspect that it’s to do with no telly, no BBC, no Grauniad, no anti-social media. Oh and an allergy to being lied to! MW

270769 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 13, #1511 of 1914 🔗

I’m a musician (luckily the kind that’s been able to keep some income going). My fellow musos seem to be completely polarised; either proper sceptics like me or petrified sheep. Had a nice morning in a little studio a couple of months back mercilessly taking the piss out of the muzzled flocks in between takes.

270794 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 7, #1512 of 1914 🔗

That’s really good to hear, Lyra. It must make life bearable for you to at least have some kindred spirits. As a retired musician, it was always my experience that my colleagues were either highly politically-aware or living in a world of their own.

A bit off-topic, but, in the light of me as a bit of an old lefty finding a home on this site, I recall that some of the most genuinely interesting conversations I had with a fellow musician was when I was playing French horn next to a guy who had stood as a parliamentary candidate for UKIP. Although there were many areas of disagreement between us, I can swear that he was no racist and, as ever when one actually talks to people who you think are politically-opposed to you, it can be an eye-opener! MW

270949 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #1513 of 1914 🔗

Always enjoy a good debate with someone who knows their subject!

270829 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 3, #1514 of 1914 🔗

The Mrs is a musician also , she can confirm that opinion in her musical community is completely spilt between still being utterly petrified or total sceptics like ourselves .

270789 ▶▶ RickH, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, -4, #1515 of 1914 🔗

“Save us, please, from these complacent, arrogant, comfortable, smug, clueless middle class arseholes”

Careful! It’s important not to turn the frustration into generalised outbursts of simplistic prejudice. That feeds only alternative self-righteousness and the disease.

270796 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 4, #1516 of 1914 🔗

Rhetoric, Rick! I did say it was a rant. . . . .MW

270850 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #1517 of 1914 🔗

I was a mental health lawyer, my friend still is, my sister and another friend educated to masters degree level, sister’s husband highly educated; neighbour, social worker, other friends – educated journalist, engineer….all deep sceptics. I tend to agree with you because I experience the frustration of speaking to people I thought to be intelligent – and they just talk and think bollocks.
But I think there are people from all backgrounds who are against what is happening. I just wish there were more of us.

270959 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to RickH, #1518 of 1914 🔗

My friend is a English Lit graduate and taught special needs people her whole career. I often wonder how she has managed to bring up her twin girls as a single mother, she can be so in cuckooland and unable to manage her money and life. She is a perfect example of graduate without life skills.

270848 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #1519 of 1914 🔗

I hate generalisations but sadly this one is usually true. However there are exceptions. I have a post-grad scientific qualification and I am definitely middle class and live in one of the most middle class areas imaginable. We have no TV aerial so can’t watch live TV, haven’t been able to for years. Very unusual amongst my peers, most people look at us like we’re stark raving mad. Perhaps that’s the key?

270920 ▶▶▶ Esther, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1520 of 1914 🔗

I think the TV and social media do have a lot to do with it. Hubby and I are middle-class as are a high proportion of our friends who are also sceptics. The common theme amongst us is either no TV and no facebook and twitter or only a very limited exposure to them. We are also Christians – which has played a big part in our decision to limit our media consumption. However dear Christian friends who have accepted all of this tend to be TV owners who get most of their news from the BBC.

270953 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Esther, 1, #1521 of 1914 🔗

AlanG has twin brothers, both Evangelical Christians. Guess what? One is a zealot and the other is a sceptic. The sceptical one lives on Facebook and I think he watches TV too.

By the way, we’re also educated middle class. I am only too aware that generalisations don’t really help but, as I pointed out to Rick H, my post was not meant to be an academic argument, it was just me letting off steam because the musical zealot was so bloody annoying (and there are lot of them round here, it can’t be denied!) MW

271046 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Esther, 2, #1522 of 1914 🔗

A campaign of misaligning peoples satellite dishes and aerials may work in the short term then?

271242 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sarigan, #1523 of 1914 🔗

Is there an easy way to do this ?

271130 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Esther, 1, #1524 of 1914 🔗

The media is the virus

270975 ▶▶ Simon, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #1525 of 1914 🔗

Sadly I probablt fit into the middle class highly educated bracket. But, I studied engineering at university, which is pretty much all applied mathematics, so I’m fairly numerate. Most engineers I know are like me as we have similar brain patterns. Educated, but logical thinkers seem to be ok.

I’ve added a great deal of six sigma and structured problem solving and statistics to that since and I have been proudly here bucking the trend since day one. I used to have a sign on my desk in one company saying:

In God I trust, for all others I require data… (and good quality data at that, and then I’d bore someone about the importance of measurement system analysis and inferences one can make about the process data with it.

I do agree that typically sceptics are found exaclty where you say, feet on the ground sorts that know whats really going on. But, there are plenty of us in the background to bolster the numbers. :>)

271028 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #1526 of 1914 🔗

Children shouldn’t wear them because they need to develop a proper immune system.

Plus: https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage
German Neurologist Warns Against Wearing Facemasks: ‘Oxygen Deprivation Causes Permanent Neurological Damage’

“The reinhalation of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficiency and a flooding of carbon dioxide. We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen deprivation. There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus that can’t be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen – they cannot survive.
The acute warning symptoms are headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, issues in concentration, slowing down of reaction time – reactions of the cognitive system.

However, when you have chronic oxygen deprivation, all of those symptoms disappear, because you get used to it. But your efficiency will remain impaired and the under-supply of oxygen in your brain continues to progress.

We know that neurodegenerative diseases take years to decades to develop. If today you forget your phone number, the breakdown in your brain would have already started 20 or 30 years ago.

While you’re thinking that you have gotten used to wearing your mask and rebreathing your own exhaled air, the degenerative processes in your brain are getting amplified as your oxygen deprivation continues.

The second problem is that the nerve cells in your brain are unable to divide themselves normally. So in case our governments will generously allow as to get rid of the masks and go back to breathing oxygen freely again in a few months, the lost nerve cells will no longer be regenerated. What is gone is gone.

For children and adolescents, masks are an absolute no-no. Children and adolescents have an extremely active and adaptive immune system and they need a constant interaction with the microbiome of the Earth. Their brain is also incredibly active, as it is has so much to learn. The child’s brain, or the youth’s brain, is thirsting for oxygen. The more metabolically active the organ is, the more oxygen it requires. In children and adolescents every organ is metabolically active.

To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed.”

270759 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1527 of 1914 🔗

The new official line from China is that C-19 origin was not from China but imported frozen fish/meat


“All available evidence suggests that the coronavirus, which has infected more than 59 million people in 190 countries, did not start in central China’s Wuhan, experts reiterated.
“Wuhan was where the coronavirus was first detected but it was not where it originated,” Zeng Guang, former chief epidemiologist of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), told an online academic conference on Nov 19.
Wu Zunyou, the CDC’s present chief epidemiologist, also gave a similar judgment recently, saying the pathogen could have come into China through imported frozen seafood or meat products and their packaging, reported the South China Morning Post”

Interestingly FB has not censored this “conspiracy theory”

As antidote to this Chinese new line this well balanced article about possible origin of Sars-Cov2 which Lancet is doing its utmost to dismiss.


270773 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1528 of 1914 🔗

I somehow doubt that we will ever get a definitive answer regarding the origin – there are just too many vested interests coming from different directions.

270827 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1529 of 1914 🔗

But if it’s so contagious and deadly that you fall down dead in the street upon infection, surely we should be able to pinpoint its origin with extreme accuracy?

270763 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 10, #1530 of 1914 🔗


Apologies if this has been shared already.

Eldery Canadian woman chooses euthanasia over another lockdown.

270895 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1531 of 1914 🔗

I have a feeling all governments are going to start introducing assisted suicide legislation, so that people with long term health issues, including mental health issues can choose to end it all if they want to. The WEF and Bill Gates would be happy about that

270764 Zak Thelotofem, 11, #1532 of 1914 🔗

Unmissable 67 mins (Ivor Cummins & Dr Malcolm Kendrick):


270775 Schrodinger, 14, #1533 of 1914 🔗

I don’t know how much more blindingly obvious it can be that this was over months ago.

When time-series data is plotted as a normal x-y plot with the time variable along the x-axis it is difficult to identify seasonality or other factors that may influence the data.
Florence Nightingale used a form of radial plots to display data from the Crimean War that demonstrated the death rate amongst soldiers could be reduced by better hygiene practices.

Plotting the weekly numbers of deaths using this radial form demonstrates the variability during the