2020-11-28

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271326 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #1 of 1943 🔗

Eeh by gum.

271337 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Barney McGrew, 18, #2 of 1943 🔗

WRITE TO EVERY MP TO VOTE AGAINST THESE COViD MEASUREs

tell them it is ruining your lives – businesses – jobs

271366 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #3 of 1943 🔗

Dear Second
We must write to EVERY MP and tell them you damaging these lockdowns are to your life – you jobs – you businesses and health.

Ask them why is is good for Amazon to thrive while local shops go bust.
Ask them why is it good for Starbuck to thrive with takeaway while local pubs go bust.
EMAIL ADDRESS HERE
https://www.ceoemail.com/uk

271534 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #6 of 1943 🔗

Done!

In addition some of us we need to stand in the elections against these people.
Local Elections are in May 2021. This will provide a stronger response for national elections in 4 years time.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/candidate-or-agent/local-elections-england

271579 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Victoria, 5, #7 of 1943 🔗

A boycott of the LibLabConSNP misfits as a protest I am a member of the SDP so I won’t support the LibLabConSNP as they are rotten and corrupt

272096 ▶▶▶ Daniel Graham, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #8 of 1943 🔗

Wrote my first ever letter to my MP yesterday!

271606 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #9 of 1943 🔗

“EEE by gum” = A craze in the late 90’s in northern nightclubs

271940 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Two-Six, #10 of 1943 🔗

An oldie, but a goodie.

271327 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #11 of 1943 🔗

I’d still like to propose “Iron Hand” by Dire Straits as a theme song, on account of it being about police abuse of power.

272182 ▶▶ Bill Gisz, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #12 of 1943 🔗

Ever since reading Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’ (see his reference to dogs being used to police the other animals) I’ve been concerned by the way in which Police (and the power of arrest) are utilised by Authoritarians to suppress dissent and to cower the population into compliance. It really does seem to be high time that the Police were de-fanged of their power to abuse us.

272468 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bill Gisz, 3, #13 of 1943 🔗

Some of the comments I read on the Daily Mail today were saying that perhaps the BLM protestors were right and it’s time to defund the police. Interesting turn of events.

272838 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bill Gisz, 1, #14 of 1943 🔗

Animal Farm describes our current state with deadly precision.
Orwell makes it utterly clear that the sole reason why the Pigs succeed is that the other animals are too stupid to stop them.In particular, the animals can’t remember a time when life was any better, and they can’t detect a lie, however blatant.
Only Benjamin realised what was happening. But he did nothing to stop it. He just wanted to survive.
Bare survival isn’t enough.
Benjamin didn’t have the backing of LS!

271328 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #15 of 1943 🔗

We are in big trouble. May 26 Windows on the World RBN May 26, 2020.

271331 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 7, #16 of 1943 🔗

When Cmmings went to Barnard Castle last May he popped in to talk with people at GlaxoSmithKline.

271408 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to richard riewer, #17 of 1943 🔗

I guessed as much. What is your evidence?

271942 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to richard riewer, #18 of 1943 🔗

And the cheap bastards couldn’t be bothered to chopper him there.

272100 ▶▶▶ Daniel Graham, replying to richard riewer, 2, #19 of 1943 🔗

https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.107/7mw.a02.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Stay-Pfizer-vaccine-phase-3-trial.pdf

A notice to the FDA to halt Vaccine Pfizer phase III trials was put in yesterday, all data based on faulty PCR test. Interesting move

272158 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Daniel Graham, #20 of 1943 🔗

And how does that work in a randomised placebo controlled trial? Does the pcr test, whether faulty or not, differentially decide outcome for active vaccine vs. Placebo.

272226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to djaustin, 1, #21 of 1943 🔗

Using a blatantly unfit for purpose test to justify an unneeded, hardly tested and liability free vaccine. That sounds about right.

271329 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 30, #22 of 1943 🔗

A senior government source told the Sun: “Boris will not countenance hospitals overflowing like they did in Italy. Nor can we get to the stage where we have to cancel operations and treatments. In all likelihood, the tiers have to stay.”

A fancy way of saying: “I’m a liar, and the PM is a liar”.

271339 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 22, #23 of 1943 🔗

In March hospital staff spent a week on overloaded switchboards phoning patients to cancel almost all operations, investigations and consultations to ‘clear for covid’.

For three months they did almost nothing except deal with covid including taking over two specialist departments and closing others, but not at a level to overwhelm them.
In the following three months of ‘relaxed lockdown’ non-covid activity picked up a little though mostly day patients only.

Just as we were being told that the NHS were preparing to avoid being overwhelmed again . . .

Activity is rapidly returning to normal across all departments with only ITU being used for Covid.
I find that rather odd.

271363 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, #24 of 1943 🔗

Is that the case at a hospital near you?

271370 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Waldorf, 4, #25 of 1943 🔗

Yes, a large regional hospital to which all Covid patients are sent except for the asymptomatic.

271372 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to karenovirus, 29, #26 of 1943 🔗

I was pre-oped on a mid-March morning and my “urgent” surgery was cancelled that very same afternoon. Out of the blue in July I got a call telling me surgery was scheduled for the following week and “Do you understand that you must quarantine for 14 days before coming into hospital?” It wasn’t a request to do it since the surgery was six days away, it was an invitation to lie. So I lied. Additionally, I was asked to go to hospital for PCR swabbing & another pre-op (the last one expired) a couple of days before surgery. That didn’t fit with the quarantine criteria either. I concluded that the staff knew the guidelines were a load of woo, and were doing their utmost to get waiting lists moving again.

271409 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Jonathan Smith, 14, #27 of 1943 🔗

Exactly. We are constantly trying to find “workarounds” so we can continue vital services despite the restrictions put on us. It feels as if we are being set up to fail all the time.

271445 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to TJS123, 6, #28 of 1943 🔗

Yes, I think that’s exactly what is being done to you.

271513 ▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to TJS123, 6, #29 of 1943 🔗

Hey, I read Simon Stevens’ piece in The Spectator yesterday, he said you were all doing brilliantly, pulling together & treatment levels were back to normal.
Stop moaning, he said it’s all fine if you can just keep the patients away…… he linked to some of his better TikTok videos too, to show what a busy boy he’s been.

271710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NickR, 4, #30 of 1943 🔗

Simon the liar.

271947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to NickR, 3, #31 of 1943 🔗

What a cunt

271903 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to TJS123, 4, #32 of 1943 🔗

They allowed me not to wear a mask on the ward (I was the only patient in a six bed bay anyway!). If I went walkabout they asked me to wear a mask off the ward to keep up appearances and not bring down wrath upon them!

271937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Smith, 11, #33 of 1943 🔗

In other words, they know the vile things are useless, but dare not say so.

271958 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to annie, 14, #34 of 1943 🔗

If I wear my face mask below my nose I will be subject to formal disciplinary. The virus is no longer the problem in the NHS it is the management of it that is collapsing the system. Like the risk assessments that have taken out a significant proportion of staff from undertaking direct patient care.

272017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cruella, 4, #35 of 1943 🔗

I reckon that’s a good appreciation of the situation.

It’s always dangerous to use one’s own perceptions as indicating the general situation, but my experience is of some really good staff making the best of a bad job.

There is certainly more activity than there was in the panic shut-down in April – although hospitals seem less busy because of the block on visitors. There are obviously also problems from (a) staff being quarantined for a sniffle and (b) pressure on beds from anstisocial distancing measures which reduce capacity.

But despite all the measures, real Covid spread seems to be largely a nosocomial phenomenon

The problem is clearly at the politicized administrative level, who are responsible for the ‘rules’ and who perpetuate the key myths, such as PCR testing representing real ‘cases and the efficacy of wearing cloth masks.

What really concerns me is that highly experienced medical staff are subscribing to the official narrative without much questioning – despite some who are sceptical (and, remember, they’ve also been threatened).

272385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to annie, 1, #36 of 1943 🔗

Yep. Spot on.

271443 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to karenovirus, 18, #37 of 1943 🔗

It’s almost as if the NHS is being deliberately and systematically destroyed, under the slogan of ‘Save our NHS.’ Surely the regime would not be so cynical?

271495 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ovis, 3, #38 of 1943 🔗

Perhaps front line managers are trying to save themselves in the eyes of the public despite mandates from Whitehall.

271714 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 4, #39 of 1943 🔗

Well those managers need to do a much better job.

271522 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Ovis, 10, #40 of 1943 🔗

No it is exactly this and the mind recoils from the fact.
Nor does this reversal apply only to the destruction of what is left of the health service under the PPP of what is now the CHS.

Deliberate and systematic destruction.
An act of revolutionary war working through through our own minds.

The virus actually being eradicated is not the novel ‘plague’.

Howbeit we are deceived.

271727 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Binra, 16, #41 of 1943 🔗

Whether Sars-cov-2 coronavirus exists or not, Covid-19 is a mega scam and the reaction to it by government is fraud on an apocalyptic scale. All of this is being done simply, to get one of Bill Gate’s several depopulating vaccines coursing through your veins.

271712 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 5, #42 of 1943 🔗

Shame on you for doubting Boris.

271914 ▶▶▶▶ JMRPete, replying to Ovis, 7, #43 of 1943 🔗

It’s exactly the playbook. Whatever they call it, it’s the opposite. Whatever they say it’s for, it’s for the opposite. standard psyop.

271582 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #44 of 1943 🔗

Johnson should have never been allowed anywhere near public office

271748 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Adam, 11, #45 of 1943 🔗

The only public office fit for Johnson is a jail, waiting trial for mass murder.

271920 ▶▶▶▶ JMRPete, replying to Rowan, 7, #46 of 1943 🔗

This ****show ends only one of two ways. This is a global coup against humanity, and if we don’t win, we really are finished. Take it very, very seriously, please. And for any doubters – if this doesn’t look like a conspiracy and enemy action to you, what on earth would?

272172 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JMRPete, 6, #47 of 1943 🔗

Don’t worry, I know exactly how deep the shit is and yes, as you say, we are in the process of a global coup, nothing less.

Bill Gates has spent the best part of two decades in the third world, perfecting his genocidal vaccines, while leaving a trail of death and suffering in his wake. And now with the determined help of our deeply corrupt government, Gates is coming for the rest of us. Those of us who refuse the vaccines will first be marginalised, but only briefly, before being rounded up and sent on to the death camps.

Our main chance of defeating Gates and our corrupt government is for a huge mass refusal to accept the toxic vaccines. Resistance needs to start now by refusal to wear masks, social distance, or abide by any other of the “scamdemic” restrictions.

271952 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Rowan, #48 of 1943 🔗

And then be executed along with his nut nuts

272197 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jaguarpig, #49 of 1943 🔗

Yes, death will be everywhere.

272112 ▶▶▶▶ Daniel Graham, replying to Rowan, 3, #50 of 1943 🔗

What mass murder, the UK death rate is a smidge above 5 year average, its an incredibly boring year for excess death.
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271987 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Adam, 5, #51 of 1943 🔗

There was no reason at the time to think he’ll create this mess. Unlike Nigel, he stuck with Brexit. He pushed for it, then continued pushing for it when Theresa May was PM. After he took office, he still pushed for it. He was on good terms with Trump and it looked like he would be a bit closer to what a Tory PM should be. And then he went completely off the rails. The Boris running the country now seems like a different person to the Boris that took office. Of course, he’s probably just showing his true colours, but there was no reason back then to not vote for him.

272217 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #52 of 1943 🔗

Perhaps someone reminded Boris, about those very indelicate photos, that had somehow found their way into the wrong hands. And of course, people wouldn’t be over sympathetic if they found out about that breathtakingly large nest egg, that was deposited into one of those discreet off shore accounts, that some politicians will always need.

272654 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #53 of 1943 🔗

He made it perfectly clear that he was a shallow, mendacious cynic during the election campaign!

271330 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 14, #54 of 1943 🔗

Show no mercy.

271340 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, 14, #55 of 1943 🔗

Anybody care to calculate the deaths, serious injury and economic damage caused by the past 20 years of terrorism and compare that wrought by the claque of 4 over the past 8 months ?

271347 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 16, #56 of 1943 🔗

Terrorism?Ten thousand Carloses couldn’t spread as much terror, misery and death as half a Wancock.

271373 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to annie, 10, #57 of 1943 🔗

Carlos was also rather more selective in his targeting. Wancock targets everyone.

271759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Waldorf, 7, #58 of 1943 🔗

Wancock wants you to be injected with one of Bill Gate’s hardly tested and liability free vaccines and that’s when the real mass murder will begin.

271922 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JMRPete, replying to Rowan, 4, #59 of 1943 🔗

A year ago I’d have laughed at this. I’m not laughing now!

272876 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Waldorf, 1, #60 of 1943 🔗

Wancock is an equal opportunity sadist.

271394 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to annie, 13, #61 of 1943 🔗

two words Domestic Terrorism

271508 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Marialta, 23, #62 of 1943 🔗

Absolutely I’ve said this since April when I first saw posters saying “Anyone can spread it. If you go out you can spread it. People will die.” Psychological abuse. Terrorism.

271656 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, -7, #63 of 1943 🔗

Anyone can shine joy or extend love.

A mind of malice fears, hates and destroys, as if to ‘build back better’ as an aggressively defended ‘masking ‘virtue’ under which hate devours from within.

Spiritual destruction works the undermining of the capacity to recognise and share love, as the raising of conflict against the potential for a true communication or witness.

The subordination of heart and mind to fear and lack – which engender conflicted purpose, must mask over as a mind ‘control’.

“And WHO told you you were naked?”

The term immunity is not IN the body but as the resonant integrity of aligned and unified purpose.
All the king’s horses and all the king’s men can never build back Humpty again.
Wholeness is innate to awareness of being – or Given in our Creation – as the unselfconscious joy of a life that gives and receives as one.

The Script playing out as a world, is reiterating its hidden foundation:
What the world is to you, is determined by what you give it.
This truth is hidden by the wish to hide our fear – and its cause OUT and away from a masked over sense of control that never ceases to demand sacrifice, and can never BE made safe or truly satisfied.

Vengeance, born of grievance and given allegiance, is a false god, by which we are delivered unto evils, by our own determined conviction.

The grace of the willingness to question our own thinking is the stirring of the capacity to recognise truths that had been discarded, denied and masked over – as if to overcome or escape.

At first we may seek to use insight to persist the old mindset of control, but the self-betrayal of such dishonesty uncovers terrible guilt at the heart of our sense of self. This must not be allowed to tell you who and what you are! The answer to any disintegrity is to release it to an underlying and innate integrity – and not to deliver your will to the mask of its substitution and replacement as hate made ‘righteous’ and fully justified. That counts as your choice, and as your choose in your heart, so is it given for you to have your experience.

It is not hard to see the call to hate and fear, and is very different to seek and find the call to (love’s) honesty. We have to consciously WANT (love’s) awareness, over defaulting to an ancient hate, that runs a protection racket by which to protect the blind face set as mind ‘control’.

272025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Binra, 2, #64 of 1943 🔗

what an absolute cunt you are

272391 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Binra, 1, #65 of 1943 🔗

Sounds like a load of pseudo-religious bollocks to me.

273144 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Binra, #66 of 1943 🔗

English please

271684 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Marialta, #67 of 1943 🔗

There is a transnational agenda that operates the Trojan ploy.
So your two words will be invoked as the justification to persecute and deny those who do not yield to the knee by compliance to its dictate.
And children will be turned against their parents.
Deceits go forth to multiply and return with interest.
Garbage in; garbage out.

272477 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Binra, #68 of 1943 🔗

Ooh, are you American? “Garbage in, garbage out” is American English. If you are, it explains a lot. I’m American (/British) by the way.

272571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Binra, 1, #69 of 1943 🔗

Troll.

273146 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Binra, #70 of 1943 🔗

Hmm, the last sentence is apt

271755 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 2, #71 of 1943 🔗

Hard to say exactly, but Johnson and his band of loonies must be streets ahead.

271960 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to karenovirus, #72 of 1943 🔗

All false flag shite probably the last real one was Brighton because it was killing them, amazing how the wrag heads have self isolated this year.

272545 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to karenovirus, 1, #73 of 1943 🔗

I just read – unverified, as it was published in Metro – that, under the reintroduced Tier System, the UK will be out an eye-watering £900,000, 000 a DAY If true, not only will the Johnson Junta be committing regular, everyday acts of terrorism, but the grandest of Grand Larceny, as well.

271332 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 65, #74 of 1943 🔗

Read the DM headline. I cannot be the only who is unable to understand the rationale for lockdowns and continuing lockdowns. Sage tells lies.

In my opinion not only has this government destroyed the economy but also society. an appaling state of affairs.

Good luck to all of you who go to the demo today, I will be there in spirit but alas not body.

I look forward to hearing about it tomorrow but no doubt it will Not be covered by the beeb.

271334 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Judy Watson, 46, #75 of 1943 🔗

Oh no, it will be covered. I can already see the title: “Far right conspiracy theorists put public safety at risk, protesting against 5G”. Or “Covidiots assemble against regulations, risking increased strain on the NHS”. The BBC won’t miss such an opportunity to kiss some government behind.

271345 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, 72, #76 of 1943 🔗

It has destroyed the economy, society, cultural life and the mental health of the populace, and I honestly don’t see how any of what it’s destroyed can be rebuilt. The economy is going to be permanently weakened. Social divisions are going to be permanently wider and angrier. Cultural life as we knew it is over. And what would once have been called a neurotic overreaction in the individual mind has become normalized as prudent and laudable. The Overton Window of mental health has been dismantled and rebuilt somewhere far away in the purple, unicorn-infested fields of La La Land. The politicians, professional and amateur (i.e. the medical officers) alike, have done more damage to the country than the Luftwaffe, and far more than the Great Plague.

271459 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #77 of 1943 🔗

Well said. I’ve always thought that Kaiser Wilhelm II and Adolf Hitler must be laughing in the after life as our own government have managed to do what they failed to – destroy Britain. And what our government is doing is far worse than what the two World Wars did, this is total annihilation.

We will be paying for this not only for years but even decades perhaps even centuries to come.

We are well and truly screwed.

271906 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #78 of 1943 🔗

The govt has spent 0.4 Trillion pounds so far on this…for literally zero benefit….unless you count paying people to not go to work until such time as those jobs no longer exist.

This is economic genocide on a monumental scale….when you think of the incredible things that could have been done for that money…take your pick.

And the arse bandit tories have the cheek to criticise other parties for profligacy.

To (mis) quote Churchill…..never has so much money been spent by so few for so little (ie zero) benefit.

271977 ▶▶▶▶▶ JMRPete, replying to Borisbullshit, 5, #79 of 1943 🔗

There’s never any shortage of money when it’s about controlling you. Look at the killing nonsense of ‘smart’ motorways, designed to harvest tax and fines and soon, with 5G and chipping, to track you everywhere and check you don’t have anyone in your car who ‘computer says’ shouldn’t be there. And to make sure you don’t stray out of your tier, of course.

272705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to JMRPete, #80 of 1943 🔗

Yes there is no budget constraint at all for certain things. Utterly disgusting really.

271737 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #81 of 1943 🔗

And what would once have been called a neurotic overreaction in the individual mind has become normalized as prudent and laudable.
Brilliant sentence – going onto my file of excellent quotes. So true.
I, like a lot of people, have a few phobias, some of them totally irrational, some out of proportion to the threat. But I DO NOT expect people to pander to them – I manage them!

271770 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo, 17, #82 of 1943 🔗

I’m still allergic to extended exposure to cats, SAGEs solution would be to slaughter all the cats in the land.
I prefer to manage the situation by avoiding extended exposure to cats or ‘shield’ from them to be modern.

271359 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Judy Watson, 6, #83 of 1943 🔗

Or by ITV,Channel 4,5 or Sky.

271444 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #84 of 1943 🔗

I believe past protests were steamed on RT website – how ironic! Not sure if today’s march for freedom will be.
I wish all those going today a peaceful and safe march. Unfortunately i think the police will be there in significant numbers and make arrests to make a point.

271481 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Sue, 19, #85 of 1943 🔗

It is truly disgusting that the supposedly Russian-backed RT is more honest and reliable than the BBC.

271506 ▶▶▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to RichardJames, 10, #86 of 1943 🔗

No kidding. I’ve been quite surprised to see some good balanced debates on RT about all kinds of things. Something you rarely get any more in the western media. Bizarre times we live in!

271587 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to RichardJames, 12, #87 of 1943 🔗

RT is actually very good the BBC is British state run

271773 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RichardJames, 3, #88 of 1943 🔗

Nothing disgusting about that, it’s simply fact.

272822 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Rowan, 2, #89 of 1943 🔗

Definitely a fact, and has been for some time. Al Jazeera, RT, Ruptly, and a number of others; all better by a long way than the MSM of any flavour and the BBC in particular.

271333 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #90 of 1943 🔗

Just reading Heneghan about seasonal respiratory infection (see attached graph). We all know there’s no flu this year and there was no covid last winter.

Everyone who was diagnosed with flu last winter – did they actually test them for influenza virus or did they just assume on the basis of symptoms? Is it not possible that many or even most actually had a coronavirus? And that regular seasonal coronaviridae are now showing up as “covid” in testing?

271335 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #91 of 1943 🔗

Influenza is a complex of viruses that usually will have at least one coronavirus present. So it is very likely that if you test for covid you will get false positives from influenza. Not to mention that the symptoms for covid are identical, so if they don’t do the test and they have a patient with fever and coughing, what do you think the diagnostic is going to be?

271336 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 15, #92 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. The graph above shows that the overall number of flu-like respiratory illnesses is considerably lower than this time last year. It also shows that the seasonal drop in spring continued EVEN INCLUDING the supposedly bone-shreddingly terrifying “first wave”.

Covid is not a hoax. It does exist. It just isn’t a thing.

271772 ▶▶▶ Rick, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #93 of 1943 🔗

Important we get this right. Influenza is a specific virus type not a collection of various types. Influenza like illness (ILI) is a term used to describe illness presenting with similar symptoms. ILI can and often does include multiple infection pathogens when the patient or deceased is tested. We do not routinely test for ILI but do make assumptions from reports and analysis to calculate likely vaccine success rates and overall mortality etc. We now have a situation where C19 is being increasingly used to cover all bases and suggesting that other respiratory pathogens are not present or not relevant.The data has been mis managed and abused for political means since March.

271995 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Rick, #94 of 1943 🔗

Fair enough. Thanks.

271784 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #95 of 1943 🔗

Covid-19 appears to be little more than very expensively repackaged influenza. Very strange indeed, that influenza has suddenly felt the sudden urge to take a sabbatical.

272174 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Rowan, #96 of 1943 🔗

SARS-cov2 is about twice as transmissible as influenza. It should not be surprising that restrictions to control the spread of one virus are more effective on a less transmissible one. That’s been noted first in the Southern Hemisphere and then the north. There will likely be a small surge in flu after Christmas (peak is normally second week) due to the holiday season.

272167 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #97 of 1943 🔗

No you won’t. There are FDA and EMA approved tests that will give you a read for influenza or Covid. Symptoms may present similar, but testing will not. PCR testing was not invented in 2020.

272445 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #98 of 1943 🔗

I’ve had flu twice and the symptoms are very different to the mild symptoms most people get from Covid.

271341 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #99 of 1943 🔗

I don’t know how many but there have been reports of people dying of ‘flu’ before Covid was supposed to have arrived in Europe being found to have Covid when later autopsied.
The purpose was to explore the timeline rather than the extent of early contagion.

271385 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #100 of 1943 🔗

Yes NN. They often assume (quite fairly), particularly in the elderly.

271479 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 10, #101 of 1943 🔗

It is – under normal circumstances (which RIP) – indeed perfectly fair. It would be absurd to test everyone presenting with an upper respiratory tract infection.

Among those Pakistani cricketers who tested positive in NZ yesterday, two were said to be “probably historic cases”. This interests me. Does this mean that they reported having had some sort of sniffle a few weeks/months ago and the assumption is that that was covid? This would mean that the PCR test is – as everyone except the people who matter knows – picking up dead virus remnants?

271338 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #102 of 1943 🔗

dear all WRITE TO EVERY MP TO VOTE AGAINST THESE COViD MEASUREs

tell them it is ruining your lives – businesses – jobs

271889 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #103 of 1943 🔗

My MP doesn’t care, as long as she is getting paid for doing F. A. and her pension is guaranteed she will not be rocking any boat.

271344 karenovirus, 6, #104 of 1943 🔗

A link to the attached was posted here 2 days ago.
It is hosted on the World Economic Forum YouTube channel which claims 547,000 subscribers (up 1k in two days) yet it has had only a minuscule 1.7k views which is pathetic.
10% of those viewers downvote the video.

If things are quiet do take a look at the comments, the WEF Media Team will not be happy 😛 .

271346 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #105 of 1943 🔗

Normalising China’s Health Credit has begun.

Yesterday Jeremy Vine was exploring why China, with a claimed only 5,000 covid deaths, was ’20 times more successful at dealing with Covid’ than the UK.

The BBC China correspondent Christopher ? explained how things rapidly went back to near normal in China generally and Wuhan in particular with glowing descriptions of bustling streets and mass pool parties.

He largely put this down to China’s Health App which can narrow down Covid hot spots to very precise locations and be used to implement highly localised lockdown measures* although he did concede these local lockdowns could be draconian he was all in favour.

A young man who was clearly familiar with the negative aspects of the Credit Health App was allowed to put over a few points but was somewhat inarticulate.

*How very topical to the very day, see todays first item by Will Jones.

271388 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 25, #106 of 1943 🔗

The UK Gov’t wants this inhumane Orwellian dystopia too. No autonomy. No privacy. Just constant state surveillance. China is pushing this technology on the rest of the world

It’s worse than any virus and has nothing to do with health and everything to do with control

271473 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 13, #107 of 1943 🔗

Does anyone actually believe the figures put out byn China?
I don’t.

271526 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #108 of 1943 🔗

The China correspondent covered this by saying it doesn’t matter if the figures were out by a factor if 100, what mattered was the shape of the curve which appears to show that they got on top of the problem very quickly.

271558 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to karenovirus, 1, #109 of 1943 🔗

That would be the same shaped curve as we had, then…..

271574 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 1, #110 of 1943 🔗

Dunno, it was on the Radio.

271348 annie, replying to annie, 39, #111 of 1943 🔗

Apparently the magic jab produces ‘intense’ side effects.
That’s on healthy volunteers.
What are those ”intense’ effects going to do to frail over-eighties?
Well, we’ll soon find out, because the victims won’t be given any choices.

271353 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to annie, 5, #112 of 1943 🔗

The grim inevitable conclusion to all of these mad experiments.

271355 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 27, #113 of 1943 🔗

This Government did promise it would have a final solution to the problem of elderly adult social care it is just that nobody thought it would be this sort of ‘final solution’!

272898 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, #114 of 1943 🔗

Final Solution? That rings a bell.

271452 ▶▶ Sue, replying to annie, 25, #115 of 1943 🔗

They are going to start vaccinations in december in bristol where army are setting up a mega-vaxx centre at football club. Aim to vaxx 100k victims a week!
This is now starting to get real and the propoganda to get vaxx is going to be off the scale.
I shall decline but i can see a point where to travel or such like this will be required and will be forced to have it.
Worrying times my friends, as we proceed into a jab, tag and gag society!

271497 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Sue, 4, #116 of 1943 🔗

Note from the 77th Brigade. This “Sue” person (clearly a pseudonym for a person threatening the NWO by trying to take action through the courts) said “ …victims a week “. Find her and punish her for telling the truth!

P.S. Only joking, love you really.

271971 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Sue, 2, #117 of 1943 🔗

Sue, it’s called unity.

Tptb will pretend we are the minority so more folk will allow themselves to be jagged.

If everyone who was against such measures united then it would show anyone who was unsure that there are other schools of thought.

Civil war in the west is coming unfortunately. Gotta see there is another side. Get on board and start preparing.

272903 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sue, #118 of 1943 🔗

I doubt whether Army personnel are legally qualified to perform such actions. Someone look into it. Maybe Dr. Vernon Coleman could tell us.

271349 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 74, #119 of 1943 🔗

I accept that there is something very dangerous spreading through the land.

The rate of spread is increasing

However, over 99% of people survive it

So dangerous the full security apparatus of the state, including the BBC, the police, the security services, and GCHQ must be deployed against it

So dangerous that it’s an immediate £10,000 fine for anyone who organises an event where it could be spread

Oh sorry!!! I’m talking about the truth, what are you talking about?

271352 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cecil B, 20, #120 of 1943 🔗

Unfortunately it is making slow progress, as the quote in this newsletter says, people go mad in herds, they recover their senses slowly one by one.
I was browsing pandemics on the web;
Black Death/Great Plague; various comments indicating it caused upto 50% population reduction
Spanish flu, again various reports of it causing between 1-5% fall in population
Coronavirus 2020 England/Wales the registration of births was suspended for part of 2020 so we do not have complete figures but based on historic birth figures we look on target for a population increase of 20,000 – 30,000 that gives an increase of around 0.05%.
And so all this hoo-haa over a virus that despite all it could throw at us has seen an increase in the total population, unprecedented virus Mr Hancock? more like unprecedented nonsense.

271358 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Martindale, 37, #121 of 1943 🔗

Appears the lockdown is successful in slowing the spread of the truth, no wonder they are so keen on it

271516 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cecil B, 6, #122 of 1943 🔗

I had to read the Cecil B comment twice before I realised that he was referring ironically to the truth, not the scam.

I must wash my brain a bit more, I was clearing close to believing the crap that the government puts out. It must have been an infection from listening to the BBC news this morning.

271411 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #123 of 1943 🔗

That article about madness (where that quote is from) was fantastic. I loved it at the time, but truly didn’t comprehend just how slowly that “waking up” actually happens.

271505 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #124 of 1943 🔗

I was horrified to hear someone claim (possibly with as much veracity as other “climate-change” bollocks) that Genghis Khan killed so many people that the temperature of the planet was altered.

Somehow, I don’t think there’s much chance of the coronavirus disease coming close to causing this sort of mayhem, but on the other hand, the coronabollocks response to the problem almost certainly will!

271554 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RichardJames, 5, #125 of 1943 🔗

someone claim (possibly with as much veracity as other “climate-change” bollocks) that Genghis Khan killed so many people that the temperature of the planet was altered

Remarkable just how fantastically distorted some people’s basic sense of proportion is, on certain issues. Only ideology and indoctrination can achieve that kind of warping of perception of reality on a wide scale.

271581 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichardJames, 4, #126 of 1943 🔗

Genghis Khan fathered so many children (mostly through rapes) that he is the direct ancestor of 10% or so Asians today.

271598 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 4, #127 of 1943 🔗

So one in ten of the curries I have eaten was prepared and served by a relative of late great Genghis?

271384 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 30, #128 of 1943 🔗

Covid – So dangerous that we have to be tested to see if we have it or not. So deadly that if we test positive for it and we’re asymptomatic we need to stay home for two weeks

It is the truth that the Government’s afraid of

271410 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 24, #129 of 1943 🔗

Which is no doubt why Simon Dolan’s appeal hasn’t been resolved yet. I suspect that one judge may be showing a faint gleam of integrity and the Fascist Junta is busy bullying it out of him.

272291 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 1, #130 of 1943 🔗

Well yes, Boris is likely offering the judges a very small share of the conscience money, he got from Bill Gates.

271499 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cecil B, 1, #131 of 1943 🔗

Nice. Your name vill join “Sue” on ze list! Vot is it?

271580 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to RichardJames, 3, #132 of 1943 🔗

Don’t tell him your name Pike!!

271350 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 62, #133 of 1943 🔗

The response from the NHS concerning that poor lady who lost her sight is a neat summation of how unbelievably callous and cruel the post-Covid healthcare establishment has now become, under the direction of a government so blind to the mountains of human suffering it continues to cause that the word “genocidal” wouldn’t look out of place when applied to them.

This is a lady who will never be able to see the faces of her friends or grandchildren ever again, never be able to watch the sun rise or set. The fact that the “apology” she received was tantamount to a half-hearted flash of contrition accompanied with an “oh well, that’s life” is truly, truly disgusting.

I wonder if this would have happened to the mother of an MP or an NHS executive?

271351 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Scotty87, 13, #134 of 1943 🔗

The mothers of MPs and NHS executives would go private.
If my mum were still alive her annual eye checkup would now be 6 or 7 months overdue leading not only to possible eyesight deterioration but worry and anxiety as well.

271529 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 19, #135 of 1943 🔗

My mother died peacefully in her sleep in March this year. I never thought I would say this, Karenovirus, but I now feel that she really dodged a bullet of utter misery.

271354 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Scotty87, 5, #136 of 1943 🔗

Proof, if any were needed that the Rapists Dad is a heartless spiteful twat

271356 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 9, #137 of 1943 🔗

A sordid little wrinkle-necked tortoise aspiring to be Stalin, and not far from succeeding.

271364 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Scotty87, 12, #138 of 1943 🔗

Well, yeah, sure, she’s gone blind, but she hasn’t caught covid.

“Catching covid” is the new “being possessed by the Devil” from the witch crazes. “Death from covid” is the new “being dragged down to hell by demons”.

271528 ▶▶ steph, replying to Scotty87, 30, #139 of 1943 🔗

This is the story that has caused me the most sadness this morning. Back in April people were warning that their regular appointments for macular degeneration treatments were being cancelled and they were frightened for the consequences. Now we are seeing those consequences.
It was all so obviously going to happen.
Go blind or risk having / spreading a disease that 99.7% of people recover from. We wouldn’t even be talking about this in a bad flu year with a higher IFR. The government has lost its marbles and it’s terrifying.

271593 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steph, 8, #140 of 1943 🔗

Yes me too, but the, it’s sad but we must all make sacrifices type bs is what gets me. Excuse me person on full pay, a guaranteed pension, a pay rise this year, can you tell me exactly the sacrifices you have made? How about we stop your pay till you start providing the service you are paid for. You know protecting us!!

271566 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Scotty87, 10, #141 of 1943 🔗

Anyone who thinks they can depend on the NHS to get healthcare is living in dreamland

271588 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Scotty87, 6, #142 of 1943 🔗

Having worked in the NHS I can confirm that any apologies about mistakes or shortcomings are nearly always shallow and dismissive.
I expect similar comments will be made to people who experience debilitating side effects from the inadequately tested and rushed through Covid vaccine.

272693 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to fiery, #143 of 1943 🔗

They’ve probably already got them written out.

271357 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, -33, #144 of 1943 🔗

For struggling businesses this will probably mean their credit lines will be pulled from under them, and they will go out of business.”

Don’t understand this argument. Deferred tax liabilities *are* a credit line. If you have no more credit left then you *are* bust and should fold – releasing your resources for superior operations to use.

The narrative is completely confused. On one hand there are complaints about zombie businesses being propped up by low interest rates, and then on the other hand they want to give banks preference over assets.

Businesses come and go. They should always be treated like cattle, not pets.

271377 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lucan Grey, 18, #145 of 1943 🔗

I take it you don’t run a business.

271378 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Lucan Grey, 19, #146 of 1943 🔗

It’s really not that simple. The credit lines are a life support right now for what were previously successful businesses. The past 8 months have not been a free market. Therefore, I don’t think the same free market principles apply.

271531 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JHuntz, 4, #147 of 1943 🔗

Exactly.

271842 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JHuntz, 1, #148 of 1943 🔗

The Government cancelled the free market and should pick up the bill, yes I know that means sharing it out among us through taxes.

272909 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #149 of 1943 🔗

Put all the government members on welfare.

271406 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Lucan Grey, 17, #150 of 1943 🔗

There’s a difference between a business which stays alive owing to extraordinarily low interest rates, and one which is struggling to stay alive because it is not allowed to trade .

I read that article as saying that because HMRC were about to exert a primary claim on a business’s debts, then other creditors, in order to avoid increasing their risk level, will be obliged to wind down their exposure to that business accordingly, thus in many cases tipping the business over the edge. Thus many businesses, which, in usual times would be entirely viable, risk being forced to close – with all the misery and economic damage that entails.

This seems to me to be a very important matter.

But if I haven’t understood it correctly I’m quite happy for someone to explain it to me. (I don’t run a business btw.)

271418 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Lucan Grey, 19, #151 of 1943 🔗

True- but if a business goes because it is not permitted to conduct business (while others are exempt), that is not the market picking winners and losers, it is the government, and that is a big problem.

271442 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Lucan Grey, 10, #152 of 1943 🔗

The government is intentionally not allowing a Force Majeure clause that would appear in any standard contract. In this case taxes would be waived as it was the government’s actions that caused the harm. If people had stopped using the business naturally as a reaction to the alleged pandemic and the government had not intervened then there’s no case.

What’s happened here is the governmenr is saying well we gave you aid so pay up. Problem is the aid was pennies and they are asking for pounds.

There’s another word for that: extortion.

272911 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mhcp, #153 of 1943 🔗

Government, make that Global, extortion racket.

271454 ▶▶ steph, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #154 of 1943 🔗

Everything you say would be fair enough for normal times. However. many previously viable businesses have just been told to shut their doors for months on end. It really isn’t t a level playing field if a local one man gift shop has many of the ongoing costs of running a business such as rent but is, by law, prevented from earning any income, whereas massive online retailers continue to be allowed to thrive.
BTW I do not run a shop.

271544 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to steph, 8, #155 of 1943 🔗

That’s exactly the point. The government should be, and remain, last in the queue. They produce nothing, leech off everyone, and give nothing back that could not be bought better and more cheaply from private suppliers.

Contrast the state police and private security in South Africa. When the private security turn up to an alarm call, householders are relieved. When the SA state police turn up, people feel the same as when the British police turn up at a peaceful protest march…

271480 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #156 of 1943 🔗

You also believe in the Magic Money Tree so no surprise there.

Let me explain in simple terms. Company has assets of 300k and debts of 400k, of which, 250k is to HMRC, 30k to suppliers and 120k to bank. Under old rules, if company goes bust, everyone, including HMRC takes a haircut. Bank still gets 90k back.

Under new rules, HMRC gets 250k, leaving 50k to the bank (2nd level security) and nothing to suppliers.

271717 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #157 of 1943 🔗

Yes, HMRC have been reluctant to make companies insolvent and would always try to negotoate a time to pay arrangement as the tax debt would be last in the queue for any payments from the insolvency. Now HMRC will get the tax debt repaid (assuming there are assets) and the supply chain will get nothing putting more pressure on the suppliers. If this filters down to bankruptcy there will be many self employed on very shaky ground. Destroying small and medium businesses as well as the self employed.

271496 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #158 of 1943 🔗

Businesses are not normally deliberately and systematically destroyed on a global scale under the guise of public health as we’re seeing now – to facilitate a Great Reset. This is a plunder and the billionaire vultures are having a feeding frenzy

271551 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #159 of 1943 🔗

Since you have argued here for the free use of the magic money forest, shouldn’t the government just declare a national “tax holiday” for the duration of the “emergency”?

Would have no cost, according to your theory, and most of the losses are being caused by government action.

271360 Fingerache Philip., 20, #160 of 1943 🔗

Now is the winter,spring,summer and autumn (repeat) of our discontent.
With apologies to William Shakespeare.

271361 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 15, #161 of 1943 🔗

The “substantial meal” thing reminds me of a practice in Elizabethan brothels – they got around some civil or church law or regulation designed to outlaw bawdy houses by putting out some kind of snack, which made them into a sort of inn. I believe the practice is alluded to in Measure For Measure .

271379 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Waldorf, 8, #162 of 1943 🔗

Just as the turdgeon discovered that some people had bought tickets to fly from Glasgow to London at knockdown prices and then got pissed up in the airport bar without flying anywhere so it should be possible to order a ‘substantial’ meal, drink as much as you want without getting around to actually eating it.

271386 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 9, #163 of 1943 🔗

I saw one pub advertsising such a move but inspector Knacker doesn’t like to have his brief authority undermined so I suspect most pubs will avoid risking their license. It seems most tier two pubs are staying shut because it just isn’t worth it. I hate what this country has become.

271437 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to karenovirus, 2, #164 of 1943 🔗

I believe that’s now called the Irish Holiday

271546 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to mhcp, 1, #165 of 1943 🔗

Thank you, mhcp. I have stolen that for use later.

271450 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Waldorf, 7, #166 of 1943 🔗

I quite liked this.

271900 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Fiona Walker, #167 of 1943 🔗

Doesn’t work though. A cafe bar near us tried a substantial meal deal when we were pushed into previous tier 3. One menu item and 6 drinks for £35. They got a visit from the covid wombles and were ordered to desist.

272720 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mel, #168 of 1943 🔗

Fuck these covid wombles right off…what utter scum they are.

271633 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Waldorf, 1, #169 of 1943 🔗

Is there any loophole involving BYOB?

271918 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Waldorf, 1, #170 of 1943 🔗

I’ve had a quick look at my Complete Works of Shakespeare. Maybe it’s this bit in Act III Scene 2: “Yes, in good sooth, the vice is of a great kindred; it is well allied; but it is impossible to extirp it quite, friar, till eating and drinking be put down”.

271362 Albie, replying to Albie, 56, #171 of 1943 🔗

Ain’t it ironic everyone in Tier 3 areas are livid. Here on LS we were livid back in April that we were in lockdown at all. Yet we were in a small minority as the polls supported lockdown by around 85% or higher. Sceptics were “selfish” or “granny killers” and subject to abuse. What a shame they all weren’t fuming 8 months ago because we may not now be in this mess.

271374 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Albie, 29, #172 of 1943 🔗

Hear, hear. But, as has been suggested, all those calling for lockdowns at the start (as long as it didn’t affect them) will now claim they were against them all along.

271412 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to kh1485, 17, #173 of 1943 🔗

“Everyone was in the French Resistance”

271462 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Waldorf, 5, #174 of 1943 🔗

Whereas in truth much of what considers itself the ‘responsible’ element of society, from the BBC down, was in the current equivalent of the milice. At least in France a few of the minor collaborators got payback. And Pierre Laval even got the chop. For these people, unfortunately, collaboration seems to have been a one way bet. Even the police who commit domestic terrorism today need not fear a moment for their pensions.

271698 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ovis, 9, #175 of 1943 🔗

Most French police implemented the German occupation – the round-up of Jews for example was mostly a French police affair in France. After D-Day French police offices mostly turned documents detailing their cooperation with the Germans into bonfires, while German troops were leaving. Since De Gaulle needed the police he did not investigate them. For the most part targets of vengeance were “safe” targets – women who had slept with German soldiers etc.

272917 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Waldorf, #176 of 1943 🔗

Except the collaborators.

271434 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to kh1485, 10, #177 of 1943 🔗

Isn’t it ironic that this is Lockdown 3? By the cock’s crow you will have betrayed me three times.

271552 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #178 of 1943 🔗

Much like those people in France and Holland after WW2 who claimed to be in the Resistance when it was nothing of the sort.

271407 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Albie, 16, #179 of 1943 🔗

If just, say, 20% of zombies had refused to wear muzzles then we wouldn’t be in this mess now.

271425 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to TJN, 20, #180 of 1943 🔗

Exactly! And if 20% refused now, this would be over very fast.

271365 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #181 of 1943 🔗

Dear First
We must write to EVERY MP and tell them you damaging these lockdowns are to your life – you jobs – you businesses and health.

Ask them why is is good for Amazon to thrive while local shops go bust.
Ask them why is it good for Starbuck to thrive with takeaway while local pubs go bust.
EMAIL ADDRESS HERE
https://www.ceoemail.com/uk

271431 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #182 of 1943 🔗

This is better, I think.

Here is a link to a .csv file with the addresses of all MPs. Opens with spreadsheet.

https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/foi/foi-and-eir/commons-foi-disclosures/members-of-the-house-of-commons-and-members-staff/members-contact-list-2019/

271367 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 13, #183 of 1943 🔗

Apologies if this has already been mentioned but there was a great caller on talkRADIO yesterday who read out the definition of both ‘Substantial’ and ‘Meal’ from the Oxford English Dictionary. From the definitions, he quite reasonably suggested that pork scratchings could be considered both.

271380 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 7, #184 of 1943 🔗

It is a law that will never stand up in Court as Substantial is entirely subjective.

271389 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 6, #185 of 1943 🔗

And the rationale behind it is predicated on the PCR test which is not fit for purpose. Could Tim Martin take the government to court I wonder?

271457 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Will, 5, #186 of 1943 🔗

I wish he would. I would support any kind of hospitality class action against the government.

271862 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 1, #187 of 1943 🔗

I expect he would prefer that we all bought substantial meals from his pubs though, to be fair, he has come out full on sceptic in this months Weatherspoons News.

271391 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to kh1485, 9, #188 of 1943 🔗

I’m inclined to agree. As a middle aged woman concerned about weight gain, 400 calories is a substantial meal. A glass of wine could be 200 and the other 200 a bag of pork scratchings.

271428 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Sophie123, 3, #189 of 1943 🔗

If you drink your bread isn’t that substantial? Sure feels that way after I’ve had one too many.

271622 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sophie123, 1, #190 of 1943 🔗

You could always say you are doing slim fast and the bottle of pink stuff on your table is your dinner!

271562 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 2, #191 of 1943 🔗

Good to know

272745 ▶▶ DomW, replying to kh1485, 1, #192 of 1943 🔗

I’m pretty sure this would qualify – just need to add it to the menu

271368 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 91, #193 of 1943 🔗

We can’t let the NHS get overwhelmed. It’s the favourite argument of those who want more restrictions and more lockdown. It’s currently top story on the BBC News website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55112078

But they never seem to think through the logic of this flimsy argument. If the NHS was to get overwhelmed, what would happen? Well I guess treatments would get cancelled and healthcare restricted for non covid patients. But this is EXACTLY what has happened for 9 months. The very thing these lockdown zealots want to avoid is actually happening for much, much longer than if we had no interventions at all.

Morons.

Good morning all!

271369 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tommo, 32, #194 of 1943 🔗

Exactly.

And with all the talk of Cost Benefit Analysis, I wonder if anyone has calculated the difference between the cash spaffed this year and what it would have cost to have increased capacity at every single hospital in the country.

Furthermore, we don’t seem to hear much about the Nightingale Hospitals – have they been mothballed? Surely if there is going to be this explosion in COVID cases, they are available to cater for such an explosion.

271381 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 18, #195 of 1943 🔗

My local Nightingale is reported to be taking in its first Covid patients, just in time to cross infect the cancer patients who have been sent there to try and reduce the backlog in Oncology

271382 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tommo, 21, #196 of 1943 🔗

It is legally questionable whether they should be using the Public Health Act to address managerial failures with the NHS. We have had bad flu years before but we never invoked the Public Health act to restrict the Public and protect the NHS. The Public Health act is there to protect the health of the public not to bail out failed politicians and NHS managers.

271387 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #197 of 1943 🔗

I don’t have the legal knowledge but does the Public Health Act actually permit the locking down of a whole Society in this way? I cannot see that any risk to health right now is so great to allow this (the evidence is now very clear from all the stats). Similarly what about the Human Rights Act 1998, where is the proportionate risk now to override this?

271405 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Suzyv, 18, #198 of 1943 🔗

I think that is part of the argument in the Simon Dolan legal challenge and is is also a point made by Lord Sumption. If Simon Dolan with all his money and Lord Sumption with all his legal knowledge are struggling to challenge all this there is little hope for the rest of us. I have spoken to Toby & Will who run this site about the legal side of all this and they have spoken to a lawyer but the conclusion is that the Simon Dolan case has put forward sound legal arguments and challenges and that really all we can do is to wait for a judgement, it is taking a long time.

I think we all need to point our MPs to the fact that all the lockdown SIs written under the Public Health act have an opening justification;

These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in England.

The Secretary of State considers that the requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to the threat.



I think we need to ask each MP to consider very carefully as to whether that wording is now justified and whether they can vote for the next lot of lockdown regs.

272257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #199 of 1943 🔗

It’s simple, the Secretary of State was lying then and he’s never stopped lying since. That description fits with many more members of this deeply corrupt government.

272467 ▶▶▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #200 of 1943 🔗

If it’s such a threat then the govt need to explain why it was taken off the HCID list before the first lockdown.

271401 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tommo, 22, #201 of 1943 🔗

Protect the NHS = Protect the NHS from patients

272259 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 1, #202 of 1943 🔗

We should die at home and do the NHS a favour.

271696 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tommo, 13, #203 of 1943 🔗

They’ve ignored the sick since March. Only Covid patients are being treated except for elderly Covid patients who are put on the DNR list. There are tens of thousands of people awaiting treatment so at some point the NHS will become increasingly busier, it’s not rocket science. This government should meet a firing squad.

272521 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tommo, #204 of 1943 🔗

Impeccable logic or, as the BBC would put it, detestable logic.

271375 wendyk, 18, #205 of 1943 🔗

Dear Dr Whitford,

I implore you to read, and consider carefully, the conclusions and recommendations to be found in the attached briefing document, written by a team of respected experts.

The sheer damage now being inflicted on our economic, social and personal lives continues unabated, as the obsession with stopping the spread continues .

Here in South Ayrshire, many of our small businesses have been obliged to close, yet again, while the rules imposed become ever more restrictive and invasive ,seemingly without any coherent foundation.

No society can hope to maintain essential civic norms and social ,economic and personal well being when so many hitherto valued civil liberties are so drastically constrained, apparently with no end in sight.

Plastic waste which cannot be recycled is steadily increasing, so how will this fit with Zero Waste Scotland’s objectives?

Dental practices are still under severe pressure, as they cope with increased costs, reduced treatment sessions and rising waiting lists.

Unemployment continues to take its toll: I know of one couple, both self employed and ,until March, successful and secure, now obliged to claim Universal Credit.

Masks now inhibit normal human social discourse, with expressions impossible to read and speech frequently muffled, this causing anxiety and reluctance to engage.

Impoverishment , indebtedness ,loss of hope and future prospects and suppression of informed dissent are skewing our society.

Please answer my letter.

Yours sincerely,

Will I get a reply this time?

The briefing document for MPs published in yesterday’s post awaits a response.

271376 Ben, replying to Ben, 54, #206 of 1943 🔗

Imagine if the UK Government had done a Belarus

If it had defied the orders of the organised entity that’s demanding every country locks down and said ‘NO’ to lockdowns, face masks, restrictions, vaccines

Life would be carrying on as normal. The economy would be healthy

No cancelled medical treatments. No lockdown suicides. Instead people looking forward to Christmas. Busy pubs and bustling town centres. It could have been so different

There would be hope for the future

271539 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 13, #207 of 1943 🔗

The Path Not Taken.

If only we’d had the kind of “Churchillian” leader able and willing to defy the doomsters and panic-mongers.

271945 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Mark, 1, #208 of 1943 🔗

I bet Thatcher would’ve done this.

272072 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #209 of 1943 🔗

Not clear if you mean she would have “done this” in the sense of the coronapanic or”done this” in the sense of what I said a Churchillian leader would have done.

We’ll never know, but as someone who supported her government at the time because of the disastrous stupidity of the 1970s, but who is nevertheless no uncritical Thatcher-worshipper, I think she’d have told the advisers telling her to panic not to talk such nonsense, and replaced them forthwith. And she wouldn’t have caved to the lefty panickers squealing about “putting money ahead of lives” and “herd immunity is eugenics”, as Corbyn and the Labour Party were doing in March.

272728 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, 2, #210 of 1943 🔗

I am also not uncritical about Mrs Thatcher but I think Mark is on the money here. She had a background in Chemistry and would not have been so in awe of ‘the science’ as the stupid oaf Johnson and the other morons in the Cabinet are.

271390 Brian, replying to Brian, 37, #211 of 1943 🔗

Some one I now has died due to withdrawal of normal health care.
His wife is Philippine like my wife . I new his children as they grew up often buying them xmas presents .
If you ring your GP you will get an answer message. It says if you have any of the symptoms of Covid do not go to your GP do not go to Hospital stay at home and self isolate. That you can go to a website to check your symptoms you can ring 101 for advice.

Do not go to your GP do not go to Hospital stay at home and self isolate. This is like saying stay at home and die. He followed the advice when he got flu like symptoms.
Normally he would have seen his GP. But you can not get GP appointments I have tried for my wife. If you are lucky you will get a phone appointment but they no longer seem available. Instead you can go online and fill a questionnaire. You will get a email reply with a prescription to pick up from the chemist.
Instead of going to his GP he stayed at home and got sicker until he collapsed and was rushed to hospital with pneumonia. As his wife works in the hospital they tried hard to save his life in vain.
No doubt his death will be recorded as another covid death

271403 ▶▶ annie, replying to Brian, 22, #212 of 1943 🔗

Another NHS murder.
The NHS needs protecting all right. From criminal proceedings.
There will be a reckoning and they will not escape.

271435 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to annie, 9, #213 of 1943 🔗

Maybe it could mean the end of public health care… Maybe a silver lining?

What I’m more worried about is that it could mean the start of public health care here in the US. That’s about how well we learn our lessons, it seems. Just double down on all of history’s biggest failures!

271392 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #214 of 1943 🔗

The item yesterday about West Midlands police and facemasks has set me checking up. The headline was that West Midlands police issue a fine re lack of a facemask, when in fact they have simply issued a fixed penalty notice. This gives you the option of accepting and paying the penalty stated or opting to put your alleged offence forward for consideration of being summonsed. If you take the latter option the CPS than have to consider taking court proceedings.
I suspect most people feel sufficiently intimidated by such a confrontation that they just pay up to get it over and done. Or they ignore it and do not pay the fine, which is probably the worst thing you can do as the costs can rack up. Or they can, within 21 days, notify the authorities that they are not taking the option of the penalty and wish to be considered for a court summons.
Do we know if anyone has had a facemask or lockdown Fixed Penalty Notice issued and then taken the option of opting for a court summons? If so did anything happen? A lot of the legal stuff around lockdowns and facemasks is dubious and needs challenging but I guess nobody wants to be the test case.

271397 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #215 of 1943 🔗

‘Law Or Fiction’ on Twitter aim to make things clearer. Some people have health problems (despite face masks being dangerous anyway) that exempt them. I wonder if the police broke the law or if they are receiving orders from above to intimidate those who have exemptions

I’m sure there are criminals out there who need catching

271426 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Ben, 9, #216 of 1943 🔗

Over 1500 comments on wmp Twitter, 99% of them against what happened and can see the truth.

271577 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sodastream, 3, #217 of 1943 🔗

and notice that the first dozen or so were all supportive of the police . and then they were all critical. it is as if they ran out of shill accounts providing support. Friday evening – maybe 77th had gone home

271507 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #218 of 1943 🔗

In that situation do you have to give them your name?

271557 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to richmond, 3, #219 of 1943 🔗

No you don’t, unless the filth arrest you. Fixed penalties have no such backing, and YOU MUST NEVER, EVER SIGN A FIXED PENALTY OR SPEEDING TICKET.

271596 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to RichardJames, 1, #220 of 1943 🔗

Because if you sign it, you’re agreeing that it is valid? Is that it?

And if they arrest you, do you get taken to the police station? Either way, can you then make a complaint and/or sue for wrongful arrest?

272660 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to richmond, #221 of 1943 🔗

If you look at a speeding “ticket”, you will see that it is entitled the same as a confession:- “Statement of Witness”. If you sign it, you are agreeing that it is an accurate statement of the events. NEVER SIGN A TICKET. They even have a note by the signature line saying “Request” They even acknowledge it on the form. The bastards. You can’t get out of being prosecuted if you actually were speeding, it doesn’t work like that; but if there is an error in the speeding ticket or the offence, it helps your case if you don’t acknowledge the ticket. You can’t “refuse to consent to the law”, you are refusing to acknowledge the accuracy of the allegation.

They can only arrest you for an arrestable offence, and that would only be likely to apply if you refused to give your details. You are only obliged to give your details if you are actually being reported for an offence or are the driver (not passenger) in a vehicle. The second that they arrest you, that’s it. If the arrest was unlawful, they have committed an unlawful arrest and can be sued for it. They cannot get out of that by pretending to “de-arrest” you (although they will try). Any unlawful arrest is also the following (automatically); assault and battery. There may also be other offences depending on the circumstances.

You can make a complaint for any reasonable tort (wrong-doing). You should ALWAYS make a complaint if the police do anything wrong, and ALWAYS sue them if you have been unlawfully arrested. On current form, it’s good for three grand in your pocket, and a good legal kicking for the wicked officers who did it.

272670 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, #222 of 1943 🔗

Finally, NEVER SHOW ANY ID. The filth are entitled to your details under certain circumstances, but they are not entitled to proof of those details, unless you are the driver of a vehicle that an officer (IN UNIFORM) has actually stopped.

The favourite lie/trick/con is to search you unlawfully and try to get your ID from a debit card, but if they do that, then you can add “unlawful search” to your list of complaints. Should be good for bumping up the compo.

So leave your wallet/purse/cards at home if you are attending a demo. Only have cash on you.

272753 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to RichardJames, #223 of 1943 🔗

Excellent . All copied and pasted for future reference.

Many thanks.

272757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to RichardJames, 1, #224 of 1943 🔗

Excellent . All copied and pasted for future reference.

Many thanks.

271638 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to richmond, 4, #225 of 1943 🔗

My limited understanding of the law is that for civil law matters like the Public Health Act you are legally obliged to provide the details needed for them to be able to issue a summons. If you refuse to give the legally required details you can be arrested but I am not sure of the legal basis for that. I think it is the same details for a summons as for a Fixed Penalty Notice.
I think if I was given a Fixed Penalty Notice for a facemask issue I would send it back and request a Court Case, the law on this issue is so poor and the court system so busy I think there is a good chance it would get dropped.

271559 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #226 of 1943 🔗

Thanks for this information.

Hopefully they will contest and opt for a court summons – guidelines are clear, they claimed to be exempt ito the guidelines, video they were calm and acted within their rights.

271601 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #227 of 1943 🔗

WM response https://twitter.com/WMPolice/status/1332398456577650703

I don’t get it. Are they twisting words to say that she didn’t say “I’m exempt” but instead said “Look at what I’ve printed off the internet?”

271679 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to arfurmo, 3, #228 of 1943 🔗

Is it any wonder that respectable people have started referring to the police as the “filth”?

272736 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to richmond, 1, #229 of 1943 🔗

I must admit I have now…rather sad really but they have driven me to it with their masks and thuggery.

271959 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to arfurmo, 4, #230 of 1943 🔗

I thought that this incident was some kind of set-up and posted accordingly. I’m still not convinced by it. However, judging by these links to the ‘WM’s finest’ Twatter feed, it appears that these police really may have tried to or actually did issue a FPN to a woman with an exemption card.

Nothing rings true about it, including the woman not actually knowing the ‘rules’ and trying to maintain she was waiting for an ‘official’ certificate, which we know is nonsense. Neither does the woman PC banging on about ‘burden of proof’ make sense but she may have been bull-shitting.

What it suggests is that WM Police may be following orders from higher up the cops’ food chain i.e. harassing/shaming members of the public for not wearing masks as per Dame Dick’s pronouncement in July. They seem to be making the same kind of fools of themselves as did the Derbyshire force back in March when they drone-videoed people walking on Stanage Edge and posted it on social media.

The Twatter comments are generally good but I notice there’s a smattering of people claiming they wear masks to avoid hassle or that they are frightened to go shopping because of this kind of thing. There’s scope for education here if we are able to reassure people that this kind of incident is rare, that people do not generally get hassled by anyone and that, if the worst happens and some over-zealous, misinformed cop gives you a FPN, don’t sign it and let it go to court where it is bound to get thrown out if you had told the cops you were exempt at the time (no proof needed).

People have suggested printing off the Govt guidelines about exemptions and I think this is good advice. We carry the Government card and a copy of the guidelines with us just in case. If you feel more confident wearing a lanyard or a badge I think this is way better than giving in and wearing a muzzle or avoiding going into shops. MW

272333 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #231 of 1943 🔗

It is still puzzling to people that exemptions exist , the whole thing could, in theory cancel itself out, that is, if common sense prevailed, sadly lacking nowadays..

271393 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 33, #232 of 1943 🔗

It will be of little consolation to those on this site and across the country whose lives and livelihoods have been damaged or destroyed by this government; but governments never survive these debacles.

Attlee’s bungling of Marshall plan aid, rationing still in place in 1951, did for his government. Eden did not survive the Suez crisis. Heath’s incompetence regarding the energy crisis ensured his demise. The 1976 IMF crisis finished the careers of both Wilson and Callaghan. In 1992, the ERM ‘Black Wednesday’ ensured that the Major government ushered the Conservative party into a long electoral winter. Iraq finished Blair and the 2008 financial crisis finished Brown. Cameron did not survive his mishandling of the eu referendum. Anyone spot the theme? Clue: they just haven’t really been much good, have they?

As night follows day, Johnson and so many of his MPs are now royally stuffed…..

They could do something about it……..but, with the complete lack of brio of all the democratic socialist governments since the Second World War (bar one), they will not…….

271395 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #233 of 1943 🔗

Now which ‘one’ are you thinking about?
but, with the complete lack of brio of all the democratic socialist governments since the Second World War (bar one),


271483 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Steve Martindale, #234 of 1943 🔗

surely not the WMD dodgy dossier BLIAR one?

271404 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #235 of 1943 🔗

The theme for me is that governments don’t answer to the people and the parties are two cheeks of the same arse.

We were always going to Iraq, we were always bailing the banks out, Brexit was a complete surprise and they have done everything to subvert it since, we were always going into lockdown.

271489 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #236 of 1943 🔗

But this situation is global

271396 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #237 of 1943 🔗

This is not fake data but from US and CDC. All cause mortality 2014-2020.Look at the picture. This year only 11000,more excess deaths this pandemic year 2020 than the seasonal flu epidemic year 2018. But we still have 260 000 deaths of C-19 2020. The only explanation is reduction of all other causes of death.
Pandemic should have excess deaths substantially according to the previous definition of pandemic. The statistics is in line with a bad flu season. How anyone can compare this with Spanish flu is outrageous. This must be overdiagnosis of C-19 in death certificates.

271413 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 4, #238 of 1943 🔗

Presumably the next step is to to calculate the degree of covid over-diagnosis on death certificates, and thus estimate a correct covid death rate, and thus a more realistic IFR.

I guess someone must already be doing this.

271422 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to TJN, 2, #239 of 1943 🔗

IIRC Malcolm Kendrick estimated an IFR of 0.1%, there’s a blog entry on drmalcolmkendrick.org but I can’t remember the exact date.

271436 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to p02099003, #240 of 1943 🔗

My guess is that’s where it’s heading.

271766 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to p02099003, #241 of 1943 🔗

Kendrick discusses the figures in his blog post of 2020-10-26 , but it seems as though he might have first raised it in an earlier post.

271424 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to swedenborg, 2, #242 of 1943 🔗

If you look at the article by Genevieve Briand mentioned in the roundup on yesterday’s LS, that is exactly what is happening. In particular heart disease numbers are dramatically down.

271439 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to maggie may, 2, #243 of 1943 🔗

… and the retraction is utterly disgraceful. Good write-up on AIER.

https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-highlights-serious-accounting-error-regarding-covid-deaths/

271751 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RyanM, -1, #244 of 1943 🔗

Excellent; I’ve just read it. Ethan Yang is to be congratulated,although I do take issue with this statement :
“She further stresses that although this data challenges the idea that Covid is an unprecedented and lethal disease, we should still be concerned with mitigating death in general.”

Death in general cannot be mitigated; it can be eased and life saving measures can and should,be offered where possible and appropriate, but death cannot be banished; it’s part of being human

271478 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #245 of 1943 🔗

Masks? Lifesavers.

271482 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, #246 of 1943 🔗

Sorry but where do you get 11,000 from?

All cause mortality in the US is up by 280,000 from average according to official CDC figures

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

271493 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Julian, #247 of 1943 🔗

Yes, this was what I couldn’t understand with this study yesterday.

271532 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #248 of 1943 🔗

The 11,000 number is the difference in weekly deaths between one peak and the other. Obviously, the increased death rate went n for some time and the totalled difference was greater. The number you quote is one I’ve seen around.

This analysis seems badly worded to me, as discussed yesterday, though it still has important information to convey.

271547 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Julian, #249 of 1943 🔗

Just refer to the graph CDC has presented with 11000 higher than the previous maximum excess deaths seasonal flu 2018.

271660 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, #250 of 1943 🔗

Sorry if I am being thing but that’s just for one week – doesn’t seem like a very useful figure to to

272456 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Julian, #251 of 1943 🔗

In the old definition of pandemic was apart from excess deaths also important the age of the deaths. The flu pandemics earlier ie Spanish flu and Asiatic flu had both. Anybody looking at this graph would agree with you comparing one week is not the whole picture and one can see that C-19 is more severe than the latest seasonal flu. But compare this modest increase in C-19 with Spanish flu which had an enormous excess death and younger persons dying is incomprehensible. C-19 is a geriatric pandemic with median age of death higher than normal lifespan in many countries. The enormous drop in other deaths is just a result of over diagnosing C-19 as cause of death in elderly. The Spanish and Asiatic flu excess death was real and not inflated like in C-19. Many and most deaths of elderly are with C-19 and not of C-19.SK and I think Japan only accept C-19 death as recorded as pneumonia/respiratory deaths. Just applying this would half the deaths of C-19 in the US.

271398 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 1, #252 of 1943 🔗

A news story yesterday in the New York Post about a certain national leader who “has been been lashing out with “excessive anger” and taking “irrational measures” in recent weeks as a result of the pandemic”.
And which country is this? UK? France? Germany? Scotland?
All excellent guesses, but this particular story is about North Korea…
I do wonder though where is the New York Post story about the irrational measures in xxxxxxxx – insert the name of the country of your choice!
https://nypost.com/2020/11/27/kim-jong-un-reportedly-executed-2-closed-capital-amid-covid/

271440 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Lowe, #253 of 1943 🔗

NY Post is pretty solidly conservative, I believe. They will publish skeptical pieces.

271399 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 13, #254 of 1943 🔗

From the Times’ coronavirus newsletter:

“The MP for Stratford-on-Avon, Nadhim Zahawi, is being lined up to be the government’s new vaccine minister.”

The main qualification for being a minister in this government seems to be to come out with any crap they tell you.

271400 ▶▶ annie, replying to mattghg, 9, #255 of 1943 🔗

And being Effnick.

271796 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to annie, #256 of 1943 🔗

Loove it. But sadly too true

271402 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mattghg, 3, #257 of 1943 🔗

He always reminds me of Gollum from LOTR’s.

271469 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #258 of 1943 🔗

more like the bastard love child of Gollum and Jabba

271475 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mattghg, 3, #259 of 1943 🔗

He’s a dangerously stupid individual

271825 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #260 of 1943 🔗

a perfect fit

271415 JCW, 3, #261 of 1943 🔗

I know this is based on American data but given the constant comparison of their death and infection rate with ours I feel it may hold some ground here.

https://www.sott.net/article/444898-Johns-Hopkins-University-Reveals-Manipulated-Covid-Death-Figures

271416 Dianne Hargrave, replying to Dianne Hargrave, 10, #262 of 1943 🔗

Why can’t everything be lifted?? People are being treated like children! I think the majority could be relied on to be careful, masks and 1m distance etc. The terrible effect on everyone is not acceptable, the lonely, the elderly, the mentally ill, families and children! Not to mention the terrible effect on the economy, jobs, small businesses!!! 🤬 🤬

271476 ▶▶ steph, replying to Dianne Hargrave, 25, #263 of 1943 🔗

Sorry. NO MASKS. They are so dirty, dangerous and dehumanising I’d even be tempted to go so far as to ban them unless you have a personal medical reason to wear one correctly.
Lots of hand washing and reasonable social distance between strangers is all that is required. And clean up those filthy hospitals and prevent cross infection there.

271523 ▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to steph, 6, #264 of 1943 🔗

My experience of hospital loos after the last few months has been that they have been unclean and frankly disgusting. Kind of ironic really…
Another thing to get your heads around.my hygienist cant use the powerful water jet to clean my teeth as it might spread the rona but police can use high powered water cannons to disperse protesters ..mmm do you think there is something fishy going on..
😉 😉 😉 😉 😗 😁

271545 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to miahoneybee, #265 of 1943 🔗

Not just the loos. The wards themselves are filthy and they spend a fortune on disposable stuff including bed pans and curtains to avoid having to clean anything.
Regarding water cannon – I don’t think we have them in the UK?

272680 ▶▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to steph, #266 of 1943 🔗

The water cannon was in Germany.the video was shocking . The protesters were shocked and distressed by what occurred . I have seen lots of videos of police brutality but that particular one made me really cry..not yet in the uk?

271487 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dianne Hargrave, 3, #267 of 1943 🔗

It’s not about health. The agenda is money and control. The WEF wants to change the world

271417 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 6, #268 of 1943 🔗

WTF?? I have read these statements in two different articles in the last 2 days. Anyone know which is true? I have no intention of having the vaccine but i would like to think that what i am warning my friends who are intent on having it is actually correct.

Hausman says the reported 95% efficacy of both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines bodes well for acceptance. “If you know that a vaccine is really effective, like measles, in making sure you don’t get the infection, then you might be willing to accept a more severe initial reaction.”

But then again,

The public understanding of the term “effective” [as in 90% effective] could be very different from the reality. It is likely to be understood that out of 100 people, 90 of them will become completely immune to SARS-CoV-2 and will not to transmit the virus to their loved ones. As mentioned in section (III), none of the current Covid Vaccine trials are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths or can determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus.

Which of these do you think we will be told??

271427 ▶▶ merlin, replying to maggie may, 1, #269 of 1943 🔗
271447 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to merlin, 5, #270 of 1943 🔗

Exactly, that’s what i thought, the second quote in my original comes from the letter to the MRHA sent by doctors. The first one about making sure you don’t get the infection comes from the article about side effects and comes from someone who is an ‘expert in vaccine controversy’.

I do worry that people will merrily have this injection thinking that it will stop them getting covid and thus enable them to carry on ‘as normal’ when that is completely untrue.

271474 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to maggie may, 6, #271 of 1943 🔗

Masks forever. People still don’t get it.

271471 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to maggie may, 6, #272 of 1943 🔗

I tested the water with a few people yesterday letting them in on the ‘secret’ that the vaccines are only designed to address symptoms. They think I’m an anti vaxxer

271549 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to maggie may, 15, #273 of 1943 🔗

I told my covid paranoid parents that the vaccine will not give immunity but will only reduce symptoms slightly and that it often makes people feel ill who have had it. I also said it was being rushed out, untested and that it is licensed as experimental. I mentioned a few other things too.
They spluttered incredulously. They got all angry and defensive. They instantly discounted everything I had said.
How dare I say these things!
Oh deary me.

271614 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 2, #274 of 1943 🔗

You tried, that’s all you can do. It’s their decision afterall.

271651 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Two-Six, 3, #275 of 1943 🔗

Wait until you tell than that the NHS will triage them as DNR (assuming they’re 60+)

271609 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to maggie may, 4, #276 of 1943 🔗

As I reckon the majority of us have some immunity already I wouldn’t trust this bunch of shysters to steal the credit. Has anyone noticed none of them have so much as acknowledged WE have immune systems!

271419 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #277 of 1943 🔗

The CRG dominating the news and they don’t deserve any copy at all.

If ever there was a managed opposition.

271449 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #278 of 1943 🔗

Are they really going to step back and allow Johnson to carry on destroying the country? Do they really trust him to keep any promise? It’s unbelievable.

271468 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bugle, 4, #279 of 1943 🔗

If there was really an element of true protest in them at least one of them would resign and take it to the streets. I think that someone would break ranks if they really believed this government had to be stopped.

If not now then when?

271520 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bugle, 2, #280 of 1943 🔗

Big mistake to believe anything Johnson says he’s a pathological liar who will renege on any prouses email makes.

271490 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #281 of 1943 🔗

Well I suppose without them you could argue we would reach boiling point more quickly and properly rebel. Or you could argue they are our only hope, being realistic, as they actually have some power.

I don’t think they are “managed” if what you mean is they are in some way manufactured or even tolerated or welcomed. I’m sure the PM would prefer to have the unfailing support of all of his party. I don’t think he’s smart enough to have thought of creating some mild dissent.

But I may be wrong.

On balance I think the CRG are a good thing as it normalises views like “we have to get back to normal” and “we should do a cost benefit analysis before taking action” – views that were simply absent completely from public discourse when this nonsense started.

271560 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #282 of 1943 🔗

As we saw yesterday the CRG want lockdown, just a different type of lockdown.

271421 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 27, #283 of 1943 🔗

Re NHS. When my time arrives. I pray my maker takes me in my sleep in my own bed and saves me from it.

Re Government. If estimates are to be believed they have managed to affect GDP so much that it’s worse than 1918 post war and Spanish Flu.

Re Media. Millennium Bug, Terrorism and the power of nightmares, Iraq war and Covid-19. Quite a lot of terror you have inflicted with disproportionate reporting.

Re us. The critical thinkers. We enjoy true freedom.

271602 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Leemc23, 8, #284 of 1943 🔗

I’ve already decided that it’s not worth saving the NHS. At my age if anything goes wrong theyll probably put a DNR tag on my toe and leave me to it. I’m not old enough for a state pension but too old to be saved in the NHS.
My son is currently waiting for an urgent referral appointment at the local hospital. Last time he was ill it was an emergency ambulance run, so we are trying to pre-empt that. But it looks like he wont get treatment either. What is the point of saving the NHS when it treats nobody?

271423 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 2, #285 of 1943 🔗
271486 ▶▶ steph, replying to Basileus, 2, #286 of 1943 🔗

I admire your determination but I’ve written so many times already. On this occasion I doubt she’d even see it before the vote. If she does she won’t be interested, her cabinet position being so much more important than anything else. Losing my vote is a drop in the ocean to her as she firmly expects to hang on to her comfortable majority.
I’ll give it one more go today but it really is p*ssing in the wind.

271515 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steph, #287 of 1943 🔗

And the problem with p*****g on the wind is that u get ur knickers wet!!

272260 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to steph, #288 of 1943 🔗

‘Never give up, never give up, never give up’. Winston Churchill

271429 Bugle, 20, #289 of 1943 🔗

Sorry, you’re either a conspiracy theorist or a mug. State surveillance being ratcheted up. Test and trace is just for show. What they’re really testing for is compliance.

271432 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 6, #290 of 1943 🔗

Clearly, large cities and conurbations, some twenty or thirty of them, should have an impenetrable cordon sanitaire drawn around them to prevent the egress of diseased persons into the countryside and its bucolic towns and villages.

271438 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Stuart, 1, #291 of 1943 🔗

Absolutely – and all the unemployed can be put to work building walls around the cities.

271461 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, 3, #292 of 1943 🔗

‘Déclarez état de peste. Fermez la ville.’

271470 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, 2, #293 of 1943 🔗

Been watching the Stella Artois advert again?

271433 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 20, #294 of 1943 🔗

There is pandemic. Death rates have not moved. In analysing the data I can see they moved flu-respiratory-heart attack deaths into CV 19. The MCCD process was radically altered and is no longer reliable as well. In past years the UK has seen 50K dead from ‘normal’ flu. They (NHS, ONS) will rewrite those data sets downwards (prediction).

Muslims – no problem with their bronze age festivals.
Muslims – no problems if they meet in a mosque or have a hate-speech meeting.
Burn Loot Murder – no problems if they terrorise, tear down and protest. Police kneel.
BAME protests – Police smile and wave.

Christians – close your church you murdering imbeciles, the state says.
Christians – Let’s neuter Christmas and don’t touch granny she will die, they say.
Lockdown protests – mostly White, so they attack, beat, arrest and declare themselves pious defenders of the nation’s health.

See a pattern?

271783 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Ferd III, 10, #295 of 1943 🔗

“Places of worship” are closed be they churches, mosques or synagogues. Muslims were banned from celebrating eid the night before when restrictions were announced on twitter. All faiths are suffering not just Christianity.

271441 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 53, #296 of 1943 🔗

The Mad Hatter sipped his tea, stared back at Alice and said

‘We have closed down the NHS to prevent it being closed down’

271488 ▶▶ steph, replying to Cecil B, 9, #297 of 1943 🔗

And Humpy Dumpty said “when I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less”

271610 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, 2, #298 of 1943 🔗

The village had to be destroyed to save it (Vietnam war)

272264 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 1, #299 of 1943 🔗

I’m starting to wonder if it’s to let people die. The World Economic Forum’s Great Cull

271446 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 13, #300 of 1943 🔗

Any more news about Hancock’s £30 million government contract with his old pub landlord? At one time this would have been a resigning matter.

271465 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bugle, 3, #301 of 1943 🔗

We are mugs. There for the taking.

271518 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #302 of 1943 🔗

Perhaps we should all get politically active!

271626 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bugle, 1, #303 of 1943 🔗

Making sure he isn’t banned from one pub at least.

271448 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 30, #304 of 1943 🔗

I heard on the radio the latest bull###t is that the latest fiasco is due to us needing to manage NHS capacity. In that case we could be like this for years! We have one big hospital in Cornwall, on black alert regularly due to norovirus or just too many holiday makers. But the same hospital where the care worker stood on the steps of the cathedral a few weeks back after resigning over the lies and pointed out only 3 people with covid were in it and it was all but empty for months in the spring when we were all told to clap!!! Made national news.
I have a contact with an icu nurse and they confirmed they had hardly any covid and never have had.
If nhs capacity is such an issue, are we seeing hospitals popping up left right and centre? Are we seeing a huge training campaign to double the number of nurses? We have empty nightingale hospitals, not one in Cornwall as far as I know, but I’ve not heard of anything else to long term solve the capacity problem?
Will the MPs do anything to stop this fiasco next week? No chance they are all words and weak willed halfwits

271455 ▶▶ Suburbian, replying to John Ballard, 14, #305 of 1943 🔗

my local (big) hospital has 20 covid patients. My GP friend said they though about half of them got it in the hospital

271585 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Suburbian, 2, #306 of 1943 🔗

Same here. What I notice is that people admitted with it are in and out very quickly, one day there’s be over 30, the next day 20 , then 25 then 18 etc so that suggests they’re all well enough to be at home very shortly after their positive swabs. And no, they’re not all dying…

271456 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to John Ballard, 7, #307 of 1943 🔗

The health industry is huge in Cornwall, I sometimes think that half the population works for the NHS and its ‘partners’ while the other half is in its thrall. Could this be why everyone wears a mask and wrings their hands about thousands of visitors thronging our streets?
On my local facebook page there are already objections to people travelling between tiers. Obviously they will be coming to kill us all.

271464 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to bluemoon, 5, #308 of 1943 🔗

It’s a zero Covid policy now. Utterly mental.

271485 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #309 of 1943 🔗

Zero Covid literally translates to Zero Nature. It’s based on scientific illiteracy and political ignorance

271621 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ben, 1, #310 of 1943 🔗

Like Zero Carbon, shocking how our institutions have been infected with insanity. Told them to remove me from the annual ‘stock take’.

https://www.zero.cam.ac.uk/

271524 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #311 of 1943 🔗

A timely reminder this morning on Twitter:

“We want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely, which you can’t do anyway, and allow enough of us, who are going to mild illness, to become immune to this, which would protect everybody . . “

Patrick Vallance, @uksciencechief
, March 13, 2020

https://twitter.com/lyne_ian/status/1332444236097064960

271467 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to bluemoon, 1, #312 of 1943 🔗

Hand-wringing! Never forget the hand-wringing; it’s an essential part of the performance.

271484 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to RichardJames, 1, #313 of 1943 🔗

‘Performance’ is exactly what it is!

271591 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to RichardJames, 3, #314 of 1943 🔗

With a heavy heart. Don’t forget the heavy heart.

271494 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to bluemoon, 1, #315 of 1943 🔗

Like we did in August and September. The bodies weren’t piling up in the street after that.

271503 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to steph, 4, #316 of 1943 🔗

I made this point here back in the spring. As a sad person who reads the death notices in our local paper, I have not noticed that there is a significant increase in the number of notices and I have not noticed more funerals passing by (we live near to a crematorium)
Unfortunately, the intellectually challenged in this country will not see the significance of this.

271463 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to John Ballard, 5, #317 of 1943 🔗

It is a very dubious practice to use the Public Health Act to manage the NHS, I have written to the Attorney General about this but received no reply. But really Parliament should be demanding a statement from the Attorney General on the use of the law in this way. Much of this Coronavirus legislation has gone through with limited Parliamentary scrutiny, it really needs both the Lords and the Commons to address this matter and challenge the imposition of Public Health SIs based on needing to protect the NHS.

271511 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #318 of 1943 🔗

They have a great job don’t they. Letters from the public are just ignored! We need to rein these people in, they are Not OUR masters, they are Public Servants!

271706 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to John Ballard, #319 of 1943 🔗

If UK GDP really does fall 11% or so this year that’ll be about £300 billion down the toilet. That’s more than 2 years’ worth of the NHS (PBUH). In a former life Donald Trump watched (municipal) government incompetence in even staring to repair the Central Park ice rink. He took it on and completed the job for peanuts in weeks. I’m told he’ll be out of work at the end of January – might he be seconded to build a couple of health services over a weekend?

271451 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #320 of 1943 🔗

Bit of ‘trivia’. The Band’s performance of Tears of Rage (Theme Tunes) was at Woodstock in the midst of the Hong Kong flu that killed 1 million worldwide (population 3626 million 1969, 7795 million 2020). Approximately twice as lethal as the ‘rona.

271458 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #321 of 1943 🔗

Yes – all that social distancing at Woodstock in the midst of the flu…

271612 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Waldorf, #322 of 1943 🔗

No social distancing at my boarding school either as we listened with amazement to the Woodstock LPs.

271648 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #323 of 1943 🔗

The Stones played a free concert at Hyde Park and around 150 thousand attended the Isle of Wight pop festival in the same year.

271697 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mayo, 1, #324 of 1943 🔗

That’s your first ever thumbs up from me. Feeling refreshed after your leave? 😉

It was the red cool aid at Woodstock that kept the Whu Flu at bay and made people feel groovy.
The green cool aid was the CIA cool aid and that made many go absolutely crazy.

271453 Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 5, #325 of 1943 🔗

Time to get visible about your feelings.

https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Good-People-Disobey-Bad-Laws-by-Fyms/61552559.EJUG5

Stick them everywhere. Get a bumper sticker. Make people see there are lots of people who don’t believe the narrative

271460 ▶▶ Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 5, #326 of 1943 🔗

and another one. Get a life: bin the mask
https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Get-a-life-bin-the-mask-by-baffled-cow/59145218.EJUG5

I think this is lockdown sceptics reader’s design.

271466 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 25, #327 of 1943 🔗

The dreadful Gove was on the six a.m. news this morning. (Apologies for admitting I listened to the BBC, but I was waiting for “Sound of the Sixties”)

I couldn’t believe my ears when he came out with the same old crap about “…stop the NHS being overwhelmed”. Still trying to push the same discredited agenda. Someone please tell that idiot to stop digging when he’s already in a deep hole.

271492 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to RichardJames, 6, #328 of 1943 🔗

Same old lies; much greater contempt for the people at whom they are directed. In March the lies were perhaps plausible. Not so now.

271510 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RichardJames, 14, #329 of 1943 🔗

The dreadful Gove

Never forget. Never forgive.

When this is over, bar paying the bills and grieving, there will be a temptation for those of us who might agree with the likes of Gove on some issues to forget about what he has inflicted on the nation, and start to take him seriously again.

No. This is what witch hunts are actually good for. There should be a profound and lengthy witch hunt directed at those complicit in this lockdown catastrophe. They should be hounded.

272750 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #330 of 1943 🔗

And taken up the Scaffold….Gove is a despicable little man. Just give me 5 minutes with him.

271564 ▶▶ alw, replying to RichardJames, 3, #331 of 1943 🔗

Weasel Gove and his missus have their eyes on a vacancy at no 10. Not on my watch!

271605 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RichardJames, 1, #332 of 1943 🔗

Digging is all part of the worship of Moloch.

271472 richmond, replying to richmond, 21, #333 of 1943 🔗

You want normal? THEN ACT NORMAL!

271689 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to richmond, 1, #334 of 1943 🔗

So true. So many are also willing to act normal if you give them the chance!

271477 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 5, #335 of 1943 🔗

There is no need to print that statement from the metropolitan police ,we should be encouraging people not trying to scare them .If lockdown sceptics feel that they cannot endorse the demo’s for legal reasons then they should just report the fact one is happening and let people decide .

271599 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to wat tyler, 1, #336 of 1943 🔗

SPG thugs have been violently active at previous demonstrations, seems fair to warn people.

271803 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #337 of 1943 🔗

I have a heavy heart thinking about the protests. However, giving protestors a beating might seem a strange way to encourage Tory rebels to vote with the government. Ref. Charles Walker.

273052 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #338 of 1943 🔗

But it’s not warning anyone about violence it’s just the police saying don’t turn up .

271491 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #339 of 1943 🔗

In most businesses I’ve worked in the most useless people, those incapable of doing anything of any value were made “health & safety” officers. Maybe all this is their revenge?

271669 ▶▶ richmond, replying to NickR, #340 of 1943 🔗

I think you’re onto something, at lots of levels.

271840 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to NickR, #341 of 1943 🔗

Douglas Adams had the right idea, with the ‘telephone sanitisers’.

271498 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #342 of 1943 🔗

Oh, thank goodness, SAGE has rushed out a new document that explains absolutely everything in words of one syllable.

“Co-production that is embedded at a local level and is fit for purpose, supportive of procedural justice, equity-generating, and evaluated for effectiveness will go a long way to preventing the development of interventions and substitution behaviours.”

Why didn’t they say so in the first place?

смерть бюрократам!

271533 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #343 of 1943 🔗

Death to the bureaucrats!
You didn’t make that one up? You swear?
I used to earn my living putting gobbledogook into English, but this one has me beat.

271662 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, 1, #344 of 1943 🔗

It is “Death to Bureaucrats” in Russian.

271615 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #345 of 1943 🔗

Which language is the bit in quotes ? Google translate isn’t working.

271500 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 62, #346 of 1943 🔗

This country has become a cesspit filled with a paranoid, hysterical mob inflicting the most horrific, unforgivable abuse on children. This is worse than child slave labour.

Yesterday I described a group of 4/5 year olds suffering eye infections from metal dust coming in from a construction site and spending all day in the freezing cold because window were kept wide open. I have now seen the hands of an 8-year-old, covered in sores, swollen and rough as sandpaper. Why? Because the children are made to wash their hands every 15 minutes then have them forcibly sprayed with sanitiser. She has contact dermatitis on her hands. (And several friends have now reported the same condition in their children.) If an adult presented to a doctor with hands like this and described a routine of washing their hands EVERY 15 minutes followed by covering them with sanitiser, they would be diagnosed with acute OCD and, possibly, a hysterical personality disorder. They would be given urgent treatment for their condition. The majority of the population is seriously mentally unwell. Except it’s worse than that.

“Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP) is a mental health problem in which a caregiver makes up or causes an illness or injury in a person under his or her care, such as a child, an elderly adult, or a person who has a disability. Because vulnerable people are the victims, MSBP is a form of child abuse or elder abuse.”

Our children are being PSYCHOLOGICALLY TORTURED, terrified into believing that they are disgusting, toxic vectors for disease, that if they so much as come within 2 meters of an adult, they could kill them. This is CHILD ABUSE. It must stop, urgently!

Furthermore, children are missing school and being imprisoned in their homes because of an over sensitive test result that says a classmate is “positive” for a virus. None of them are infectious! There is no need for this nonsense. It is completely insane. And unforgivably cruel.

These are CHILDREN! They are the most important people in our society. These are the people who will be making decisions about us when we are old. Well, good luck to us because they will all be psychologically damaged and riddled with cancer because of all the chemicals being forced onto and into their bodies.

CHILDREN DO NOT TRANSMIT THE SARS-Cov-2 VIRUS.

This is FACT!

Adult teachers pass it around amongst themselves, NOT CHILDREN!!

There is no such thing as “ASYMPTOMATIC TRANSMISSION”!

This is all the result of the original abusive government messaging terrorising people. “Act as if you’ve got it”, “Anyone can spread it”, “People will die.” I watched as rational, intelligent friends were inculcated with this message. Bless them. They all thought they were “responsible for spreading a virus”, that they were uncontrollable killing machines. No amount of facts and figures will persuade them otherwise. They are radicalised and they need professional help to deprogramme them now. Let’s stop the blame game. Let’s stop trying to find out “what’s behind it all” and speculate as to the agenda of governments. Let’s just make the child abuse STOP NOW! What the hell do we do?!

271512 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #347 of 1943 🔗

It is terrible but all is not yet lost, yesterday on the village football field next to our house the village primary school were out for activities in the Autumn sunshine, games, laughing, huddling in groups, no masks lots of physical activity and excitement, a joy for the heart to see. The human spirit will burst through in the end it is just awful how quickly we have gone down in a cycle of hysteria over a tin-pot virus

272345 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #348 of 1943 🔗

Not ever forgetting the tin pot turdologists ‘running’ the farce..

271514 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #349 of 1943 🔗

The obvious move here is for all parents to remove there children from the offending school, organise a mass protest outside the school gates,get local radio, newspaper involved and cause as much negative publicity as possible.. Schools hate bad publicity I can assure you…

271556 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #350 of 1943 🔗

Not enough parents to get a mass protest together unfortunately – they’re all mad too

271650 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #351 of 1943 🔗

But it wouldn’t be all parents, it would just be me at my school.

271553 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #352 of 1943 🔗

Shocking. Yes children are traumatised.

271586 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 23, #353 of 1943 🔗

This is what happens when the bastard government empower idiots way above their intellectual abilities then drive them crazy en mass. On purpose.
Yes it’s child abuse. It’s unforgivable.
More fool the parents for going along with it and to hell with the idiot teachers who go along with it too.

This is just of-the-charts evil on a national scale.

It’s incredible.

I will never ever look at people in the way I used to before covid. People are literally an alien species to me now. Way more than they ever were before in my opinion and that’s saying something. I just hate teachers, seeing them in their face nappies make me want to call them out as child abusers.
My face nappy tourettes came to the fore a few weeks ago as I cycled past a local school, the young teacher guy (possibly the headmaster) was in his face nappy in the playground and I just could not contain the “You Fucking Knob!” that popped out my mouth.
Fools.

271600 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Two-Six, 9, #354 of 1943 🔗

Well said totally agree I have no time what so ever for people who slavishly accept lockdown in my eyes they are mass murderers and should be treated a such.

271611 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #355 of 1943 🔗

You can’t blame parents. They have no choice. They can’t work unless they send their children to school.

271643 ▶▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #356 of 1943 🔗

Actually, you can blame the parents for accepting every degrading piece of torture inflicted on their children. Very few of us have objected to face masks and prison conditions. Our position is weakened by our low numbers. The heads can rule with a rod of iron and shame none mask wearers because so few have declared themselves mask exempt. My daughter has been bullied and intimidated and made to feel that she is putting lives at risk just by sitting on the bus minding her own business.

271690 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #357 of 1943 🔗

Humm I dunno. The same old story isn’t it? Nobody has done a single thing to stop this shit, almost everybody has just gone along with it.
Are the parents jobs more important than their kids quality of life?
Is money to pay the sky sub, car rental, morguage, xmass shopping, the holidays, the booze, the PC’s the etc etc etc more important than having their kids in face nappies being tortured in schools?

271848 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #358 of 1943 🔗

My wife told me how she was standing outside the school gates when our 3 year old coughed a few times. She said she felt embarrassed as every other parent turned around and stared at her.

As a parent it is you who has been blessed with the responsibility to care for and protect that child no one else. Sometimes life does not does not have any easy choices but there is always choice. I do blame the parents in this case.

272624 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #359 of 1943 🔗

So it’s okay for your child to be traumatised, if it means that you can still work. The truth is that most parents are just too stupid, to realise that schools are systematically abusing their children and scarring some of them for life.

272610 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #360 of 1943 🔗

Getting to grips with what’s behind the fake pandemic is the best way of getting the nonsense stopped. Otherwise I go along with everything you say and where is the NSPCC in all this blatant child abuse?

272706 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Rowan, #361 of 1943 🔗

Absolutely! The way this horrific juggernaut is going, how soon before the manic brainwashed mob are calling for imprisonment of children?! This is EXACTLY how Hitler began the hysteria that led to the mass extermination of Jews. Start by calling them “dirty” and “disease-ridden”. It is NOT an exaggeration to make these parallels. We are on a knife edge. Where is the UN?! (Actually council of Europe just published strongly worded memo to member states to warn against abuse to children’s fundamental human rights but I’m scared it’s too little too late.)

272913 ▶▶ James007, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #362 of 1943 🔗

I completely agree with you. Our son’s preschool is kept very cold because all the windows are open. It’s nearly December for goodness sake!
I was struck by a post today, Anne Frank was hidden by those who broke the rules, but killed by those following them.
There is nothing moral about following immoral rules.

271501 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 48, #363 of 1943 🔗

As I have said many times on this site the predicted covid deaths for our village were 800. Not one yet. It would be inappropriate to say I live in hope

When I point this out to people in the village their explanation is that we have been ‘very lucky’ and that we have followed every rule to the letter, and that has saved us

They also tell me that the Town to the North has not been so lucky and it’s ‘terrible there’ with many, many covid deaths. They have heard of whole families dying of ‘it’ in the Town to the North.

They say it’s too dangerous to go to the Town to the North

In for a penny in for a pound I thought so I took the trip

Twenty miles away, on the other side of a mountain range sits the Town to the North

A picturesque market town with a Square complete with closed down pubs

Everyone was masked up, no exceptions. I ordered a takeaway coffee and sat on bench in the Square. I was approached by an elderly lady struggling with two large bags of shopping

She asked if she could join me as she was out of breath, and it was OK to remove her mask whilst sitting down

I told her that I was sad to hear about what had happened in the Town to the North. She replied that no everything was fine and there had not been any deaths because the whole town had been wearing masks since March

A tear came to her eye as she told me about all the covid baby deaths in the Village to the East. ‘If only people had listened, all those babies would be alive now’

The Village to the East has a 12th century church and a village green. Everything was closed and shuttered. Not a soul about. A village in mourning

I spotted a light on in the Funeral Directors. Ok, Ok’ it’s getting boring but stick with it, it has a good ending (well I think so anyway)

‘ Baby deaths, Hah! none mate you’ve been speaking to people in the Town to the West haven’t you’

‘Mate if your after covid deaths go to The City in the South. They’ve got the full works there, BAME, mass graves, you’ll be tripping over corpses down there’

When I arrived everyone was out Christmas Shopping. At the till I asked about the deaths

‘No, not here, try the Village to the East, told they got 800 there. Next customer please’

271592 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 1, #364 of 1943 🔗

Very good, would make a good film by your namesake or perhaps better Powell and Pressburger.

271594 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Cecil B, 2, #365 of 1943 🔗

Absolutely brilliant!

271597 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Cecil B, 1, #366 of 1943 🔗

First class piece of work!

271671 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 4, #367 of 1943 🔗

In my town we were told 4000 of a population of 180,000 would die. Lockdown came even before the official date as bars and restaurants were shamed into closing by local self appointed community leaders.

They’ve never admitted their mistakes. We’ve seen 100 die and 95% are over 65 with 75% over 80.

I got banned from their Facebook group for pointing out these numbers. Psychological damage has been inflicted on them.

There is Zero whith of protest here. Its awful. My MP has never responded to any of my emails.

271685 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Cecil B, #368 of 1943 🔗

Mint!

271730 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, #369 of 1943 🔗

If Shirley Jackson and Oscar Wilde were channelling Aesop…

271502 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 28, #370 of 1943 🔗

MP s must be held responsible for what the government and NHS are doing, or in many cases not doing. Criminal charges must be directed at those who are elected into office and failed to hold this Junta to account. Perhaps then we may get some action from these parasites. Far too many sit on their backsides, cashing their cheques without accountability.

Johnson is insane.

271504 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #371 of 1943 🔗

As are Witless and unbalanced.

271537 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #372 of 1943 🔗

And Damnation!

271535 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #373 of 1943 🔗

Clear case of malfeasance against all of them. It’s one lie after another and there is plenty of evidence to show. From official stats to the Portugese court case (pcr tests not fit for purpose) from a recent Wuhun study (you don’t pass on if asymptomatic) and so on. Also possibly manslaughter.

271665 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Suzyv, #374 of 1943 🔗

There’s no case against MPs regarding their behaviour in Parliament. There is only one way to make them personally accountable: an act of attainder. For which you need a majority in Parliament.

271831 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #375 of 1943 🔗

I think the NHS and its staff must also be held responsible for what the NHS and its staff are doing.

271509 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 13, #376 of 1943 🔗

Interesting snippet from the 1984 act about waste.
A person who places, or causes or permits to be placed, in a dustbin or ashpit any matter which he knows to have been exposed to infection from a notifiable disease, and which has not been disinfected, shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale.”
Therefore anyone throwing a mask into the general waste is committing an offence.

271517 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to p02099003, 2, #377 of 1943 🔗

Book em Dano

271563 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 2, #378 of 1943 🔗

Good point, getting the hang of this now!

271955 ▶▶ Edward, replying to p02099003, 1, #379 of 1943 🔗

And even more so when they throw it down in the street, which happens regularly judging by the number of abandoned masks I see.

271519 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 7, #380 of 1943 🔗

Please make it stop!

271540 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Moomin, #381 of 1943 🔗

Klaus Schwab? It’s unstoppable I’m afraid

271543 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Moomin, 2, #382 of 1943 🔗

We need to stop it

271521 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #383 of 1943 🔗

35 Medical examination
(1)
If a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) is satisfied, on a written certificate issued by a registered medical practitioner nominated by the local authority for a district—

(a)
that there is reason to believe that some person in the district—

(i)
is or has been suffering from a notifiable disease, or

(ii)
though not suffering from such a disease, is carrying an organism that is capable of causing it, and

(b)
that in his own interest, or in the interest of his family, or in the public interest, it is expedient that he should be medically examined, and

(c)
that he is not under the treatment of a registered medical practitioner or that the registered medical practitioner who is treating him consents to the making of an order under this section,

the justice may order him to be medically examined by a registered medical practitioner so nominated.

(2)
An order under this section may be combined with a warrant under subsection (3) of section 61 below authorising a registered medical practitioner nominated by the local authority to enter any premises, and for the purposes of that subsection that practitioner shall, if not an officer of the local authority, be treated as one.

(3)
In this section, references to a person’s being medically examined shall be construed as including references to his being submitted to bacteriological and radiological tests and similar investigations.

36 Medical examination of group of persons believed to comprise carrier of notifiable disease (1)
If a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) is satisfied, on a written certificate issued by the proper officer of the local authority for a district—

(a)
that there is reason to believe that one of a group of persons, though not suffering from a notifiable disease, is carrying an organism that is capable of causing it, and

(b)
that in the interest of those persons or their families, or in the public interest, it is expedient that those persons should be medically examined,

the justice may order them to be medically examined by a registered medical practitioner nominated by the local authority for that district.

(2)
Subsections (2) and (3) of section 35 above apply in relation to subsection (1) above as they apply in relation to subsection (1) of that section.
37 Removal to hospital of person with notifiable disease (1)
Where a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) is satisfied, on the application of the local authority, that a person is suffering from a notifiable disease and—

(a)
that his circumstances are such that proper precautions to prevent the spread of infection cannot be taken, or that such precautions are not being taken, and

(b)
that serious risk of infection is thereby caused to other persons, and

(c)
that accommodation for him is available in a suitable hospital vested in the Secretary of State,

the justice may, with the consent of the Area or District Health Authority responsible for the administration of the hospital, order him to be removed to it.

(2)
An order under this section may be addressed to such officer of the local authority as the justice may think expedient, and that officer and any officer of the hospital may do all acts necessary for giving effect to the order.
38 Detention in hospital of person with notifiable disease (1)
Where a justice of the peace (acting, if he deems it necessary, ex parte) in and for the place in which a hospital for infectious diseases is situated is satisfied, on the application of any local authority, that an inmate of the hospital who is suffering from a notifiable disease would not on leaving the hospital be provided with lodging or accommodation in which proper precautions could be taken to prevent the spread of the disease by him, the justice may order him to be detained in the hospital.

(2)
An order made under subsection (1) above may direct detention for a period specified in the order, but any justice of the peace acting in and for the same place may extend a period so specified as often as it appears to him to be necessary to do so.

(3)
Any person who leaves a hospital contrary to an order made under this section for his detention there shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale, and the court may order him to be taken back to the hospital.

(4)
An order under this section may be addressed—

(a)
in the case of an order for a person’s detention, to such officer of the hospital, and

(b)
in the case of an order made under subsection (3) above,

to such officer of the local authority on whose application the order for detention was made, as the justice may think expedient, and that officer and any officer of the hospital may do all acts necessary for giving effect to the order.

271530 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 1, #384 of 1943 🔗

The ‘rona isn’t ‘notifiable’. https://www.nuh.nhs.uk/notifiable-diseases

271542 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #385 of 1943 🔗

Yes it is, it was added in the 2020 legislation. That is why it has to appear on a death certificate if it is suspected of being a contributory cause.
see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notifiable-diseases-and-causative-organisms-how-to-report#list-of-notifiable-organisms-causative-agents

271561 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 2, #386 of 1943 🔗

Oops, good point, and yet in W/E 15/11/2020 only 87 cases were notified in England and Wales according to PHE NOIDs weekly report (and none in our Kentish plague land).

271571 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #387 of 1943 🔗

Exactly, which is why I’ve submitted an FOI request to Leicester hospitals asking how many notifications have their medics submitted since January as required by law.” Please could you provide the following information: Since 1st January 2020 until 26th November 2020 how many notifications under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 and the Health Protection (Notification) Regulations 2010 have been submitted by UHL medical staff?”

271890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to p02099003, #388 of 1943 🔗

Great idea!

271989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 1, #389 of 1943 🔗

Thank you, I’ve asked my MP Helen Whately why there were only 87 notifications in 2020/46 and none in (Tier 3) Kent.

271576 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 7, #390 of 1943 🔗

You couldn’t make it up. Covid nowhere to be seen, yet the government, media and Joe Public think we are in the midst of a virus akin to the Bubonic plague.

271525 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 10, #391 of 1943 🔗

These stories about the west midlands police stopping people in shops just seems to me a reaction about more people going maskless and ultimately to scare us .From what we can read into this story the woman is clearly in the right and the police are in the wrong ,so why are they doing it again? after having to apologise regarding the last video we saw of their antics.Either the W M P are just thick as shit and don’t brief their foot soldiers or they are willing to risk a few apologies as long as it scares more people .So everyone don’t be worried just get an exemption card and carry in pocket incase you’re ever asked and in the meantime show your face and encourage as many others as you can to do the same .

271731 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to wat tyler, 2, #392 of 1943 🔗

The West Midlands Police have an appalling record for violence and corrution. This from Wiki
Controversies and allegations of corruption Between 1974 and 1989, the force operated the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad . It was disbanded after allegations of endemic misconduct, leading to a series of unsafe convictions. These included allegations that officers had falsified confessions in witness statements, denied suspects access to solicitors and used torture such as “plastic bagging” to partially suffocate suspects in order to extract confessions. They were alleged to have abused payments to informers. A series of around 40 prosecutions failed in the late 1980s as defendants showed that evidence had or may have been tampered with. West Yorkshire Police led an investigation which led to a small number of internal disciplinary proceedings, but did not recommend any prosecutions for lack of evidence. However, over 60 convictions secured from their investigations have now been quashed, including those of the Birmingham Six . [17]
West Midlands Police had two serious firearms incidents, in 1980 and 1985. In 1980, David Pagett held his pregnant girlfriend as hostage while resisting arrest by the police. Officers returned fire, and shot her. [18] Police had initially tried to claim that Pagett has shot her, but it became clear that it was police bullets that had caused her death. In 1985, John Shorthouse was arrested by West Midlands police for questioning about armed robberies in South Wales. His house was then searched. His five-year-old son, John, was shot by police searching under the child’s bed. An internal inquiry was held, and as a result, use of firearms was restricted to a specialised and trained unit. [19]
Allegations of bribery and corruption were made in 1994 by World in Action . The convicted criminal David Harris alleged that West Midlands police officers had demanded payments of more than £200,000 to keep criminals including himself away from prosecutions. Other allegations from police officers focused on officers attempting to persuade others to accept bribes. The CID was the focus of an investigation by Leicestershire Police at the request of the Police Complaints Authority. [20]

I thought that that was put right decades ago , but perhaps they are reverting to type.

271527 petgor, replying to petgor, 14, #393 of 1943 🔗

I genuinely believe that at the beginning the governments intention was to deal with the virus and to protect the public. That intention once it saw just how easy it was to manipulate and control the public, with aid of a compliant police ‘force’ (no longer a police ‘service’) ,that good intention morphed into a desire, as with all potential dictatorships, to exert and expand the power that it was beginning to enjoy and does not want to give up. Once the government realised that its army of followers, MPs, as well as a compliant public, media and civil service, we were all, in the words of a famous Dads Army character, doomed!

I am only bothering to put this into words because it makes me feel better.

271536 ▶▶ Ben, replying to petgor, 18, #394 of 1943 🔗

Unfortunately I see a globally orchestrated agenda. If only it was about a virus

271661 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 5, #395 of 1943 🔗

Opportunism. Disaster Socialism/Capitalism.

I look at some of my bosses in my work (large corporate) who immediately adopted the build back better speak and I am astounded how easily the shift happens. Its just another opportunity. In the good times they advise how to grow, in the bad how to shed jobs. The one constant is they are quids in.

271786 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #396 of 1943 🔗

Same with mental-health-speak. It didn’t catch on until a couple of years ago. Now everyone’s saying it. If you feel a bit anxious or miserable, it’s a mental health issue.

271538 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to petgor, 3, #397 of 1943 🔗

Prefer TY’s analysis that it’s a cynical (and profoundly wicked) political calculation that everything must be sacrificed for the great Moloch of the NHS.

https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/watts-the-minotaur-n01634

I am in blood
Stepp’d in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o’er.

271567 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 8, #398 of 1943 🔗

I think TY also needs to step a careful line so he is not seen as a conspiracy theorist. He won’t be drawn on global agenda. Just like he won’t be drawn on Trump. To influence change he needs to retain credibility.

That said, he’s not stupid and whilst he may say it’s mainly incompetence the “convergent opportunism” neatly described by Mike Yeadon is snowballing.

Once those taking opportunities from the chaos get going (and they are well and truly going), they have plenty of power and opportunity and a vacuum to develop what they want.

That could be a mix of global tyranny, 4th industrial revolution, increased digital surveillance, medical marshal law, censorship etc etc

Whatever evolves, we plebs (middle class or otherwise) are considered the lowest of the low and really we all know, they don’t care two hoots about us.

271647 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #399 of 1943 🔗

I think NHS worship has a lot to do with this, yes

271541 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to petgor, 15, #400 of 1943 🔗

That intention once it saw just how easy it was to manipulate and control the public …

Agree

The compliance of mask wearing was the final cog that showed the government how easy it is to take our rights and liberties away.

271548 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 1, #401 of 1943 🔗

Anyone have a template for the don’t vote for lockdown email we can send to MPs?

271683 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Moomin, 3, #402 of 1943 🔗

I have given up with any attempt at persuasion or facts or pleas.

Today I wrote to my MP and simply said, “Vote against lockdown or I’ll vote against you.”

271686 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Moomin, #403 of 1943 🔗

SaveOurRights has this:
https://saveourrights.uk/covid-resistance/tier-system-letter/

It might serve you as starting point, but I wouldn’t cite Yeadon as well known – he is in our circles but probably not on the national stage. Find other names.
And the second paragraph reads as though Witty held his hand up and said “I was telling porkies”. I don’t think he did. Heneghan debunked Witty’s data promptissimo , as I recall. And others.

So treat with caution, take it as a starting point and customise.

271765 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #404 of 1943 🔗

Thanks.

271550 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #405 of 1943 🔗

Some of us need to stand in the elections against these parties and MPs that failed us.
Local Elections are in May 2021. This will provide a stronger base for national elections in 4 years time.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/candidate-or-agent/local-elections-england

Both conservative and labour got us into this mess – killing small businesses, jobs and dreams. Labour failed to oppose anything – if they did their job as opposition we never would have got to this point of madness

Note:
conservatives are already considering applicants for local elections in May 2021 (think other parties will do the same)

271555 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Victoria, 2, #406 of 1943 🔗

Yes and this is also worth a look https://freedomalliance.co.uk/ thin at the moment but they are focusing on local elections.

271572 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Victoria, 1, #407 of 1943 🔗

https://heritageparty.org/

https://reclaimparty.co.uk/

The leaders of both these parties have been outspoken against the coronapanic nonsense. So (latterly) has Nigel Farage, whose party is apparently going to be rebranded as Reform.

Any or all of these parties might well be standing next time there is a vote.

If your preferences run rather to the political left, who knows eventually perhaps a party of the left might arise that actually stands up on the most vital issue of the moment.

There is also the SDP which has been outspokenly anti-panic. Not sure where they belong on the right/left spectrum – probably centre or centre-left.

271645 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, #408 of 1943 🔗

SDP seem leftish on economic issues but socially conservative and nationalist. Surprised Hitchens has not expressed more support for them as he’s by no means a laissez faire capitalist

272767 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Julian, #409 of 1943 🔗

Hitchens is old and wise and knows that no small parties will get anywhere until one of the big parties are destroyed. After that the other would soon follow like the Twin Towers. People only vote Labour as they hate the tories and vice versa. We know they are both utter shit and have been for decades.

271780 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mark, 1, #410 of 1943 🔗

My preferences run to the politically free. I’m done with the old parties.

271565 annie, replying to annie, 11, #411 of 1943 🔗

In our village (according to the local newsletter) they believe that the Magic Jab will deliver them from the ‘Awful’ Mask.
At least they admit the mask is awful.
They don’t know yet how awful the jab will be, nor that it will not deliver them from anything.

271570 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to annie, 1, #412 of 1943 🔗

Ha ha – good selling tool though

271568 James Leary #KBF, 12, #413 of 1943 🔗

In this weeks Planet Normal podcast with Allison Pearson & Liam Halligan, one of their NHS Whistleblowers who works for 111 says before the national lockdown they were told to do a 180 degree about face on previous instructions and advise as many people as possible to go to hospitals to fill up the beds. Optics, as they say in the PR game. Fraud, as they say when they arrest the perps.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJnf_DDTfIVC4Y-6d5MVBccDib2wsOhXa

271569 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #414 of 1943 🔗

I did some research yesterday just to pass the time. Viruses are by far the biggest biological entity on the planet. It is estimated that there are 10 to the power of 30 (thats 10 with 30 zeros behind it) in the environment. The size of the viruses are measured in nanometers (that billionths of a meter). They are found in the upper atmosphere and can travel from continent to continent on the wind/s.

So politicians expect to “fight” something that is extremely numerous and incredible small by telling the sheeple to wear masks that have filtration capabilities measured in micron (millionths of a meter) and to stay 2 meters apart (when viruses can cross continents).

I don’t think so.

271630 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #415 of 1943 🔗

Our own organisms produces viral RNA to stimulate the Immune System…

271991 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #416 of 1943 🔗

Plus there’s the fact that there are more viruses in the human virome than stars in the sky.
And my particular fave – they pre-date life on earth. As in there was RNA viruses before even single cells. They rule us really not the other way round.

271573 Adam, 5, #417 of 1943 🔗

Not good enough only the removal of Johnson Hancock Witty Vallance Gove all the stupid covid19 rules will suffice

271575 alw, replying to alw, 18, #418 of 1943 🔗

The Portuguese Courts were pretty prompt with their PCR judgment. One has to ask why then are our Judiciary taking so long with Simon Dolan’s case? It is a matter of National importance…our freedoms and rights.

271583 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to alw, 11, #419 of 1943 🔗

Justice delayed is justice denied.

271584 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to alw, 2, #420 of 1943 🔗

I’m not denying that the ruling was a positive. But it has had no impact on PCR being used in Portugal or the conditions under which it is used there.

271625 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #421 of 1943 🔗

That’s what I’ve been saying since the ruling came out… We’re now with 4,353,234 PCR kits used!

At ~80€ a pop (just for the kit itself) THE WASTE sums up to 348.258.720€!

Our collective WASTE is THEIR small group PROFIT!

271641 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 3, #422 of 1943 🔗

One presumes that the fact it is taking so long is a good sign – if they didn’t think there was any case to answer they would have ruled already, surely?

271658 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 4, #423 of 1943 🔗

My view is that it fundamentally destroys the government position.The actions they have taken are not supported by the 1984 public health act.The act only supports the quarantine of infected people not healthy.Typical establishment cover up while they try to think of a statute to use,to throw out the case.

271756 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #424 of 1943 🔗

If I had to guess I would say you are right – they know the Dolan case is strong and are very worried about judging in his favour and are desperate to cook something up that is vaguely plausible that justifies the government. I suspect they are not so far having much luck finding it. I wonder if Sumption weighing in quite publicly with a legal analysis has made them much more cautious.

271997 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Julian, #425 of 1943 🔗

My view too. Any judgement of something this important must be watertight legally.

271702 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to alw, 1, #426 of 1943 🔗

From my somewhat limited experience and understanding. The Portuguese case was about 4 people being quarantined unlawfully, the PCR tests suitability or otherwise was the crux of this judgement only and the court decided it was not suitable or sufficient to warrant the quarantining of these four individuals. The decision could then be referred to in subsequent cases, but it doesn’t mean that PCR test use has to be halted. Whether this case could be referred to in future British court cases I would doubt, however it could carry some weight with the European Court of Human Rights and within the EU.

271833 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to alw, #427 of 1943 🔗

The delay may be because Dolan has brought the second lockdown into his case – see 23 Nov update:
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/
Was this wise? Surely it gives Gov’t a reason to kick this down the road for many more months.

271578 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 20, #428 of 1943 🔗

The truth….

271590 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Victoria, 1, #429 of 1943 🔗

Absolutely.

271589 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #430 of 1943 🔗

Just a thought. During the black death there were flagellants who flogged themselves to avert Gods wroth and bring an end to the plague. Maybe Covid zealots could flog themselves in the hope they kill viruses and stop catching this not so deadly disease (other diseases are also available). At least it’ll give us sceptics a good laugh.

271604 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #431 of 1943 🔗

WHY NOT?

271607 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #432 of 1943 🔗

LOL! Don’t give Boris and Hancock ideas for their NHS volunteers!

271617 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #433 of 1943 🔗

COVID zealots should just obey the ORDER of the Sheeplerd!

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271624 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #434 of 1943 🔗

They are already flogging themselves emotionally. I don’t think humans have learned very much in the last 2000 years.

271637 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #435 of 1943 🔗

Indeed… We just have fancier rocks!

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271595 Adam, replying to Adam, 3, #436 of 1943 🔗

A written constitution and a federal republic where everyone is equal is a much democratic than a idiotic monarchy with hereditary blood a written constitution would reign in Government much more Johnson wouldn’t be able to ride roughshod over our civil liberties either

271634 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Adam, 5, #437 of 1943 🔗

Except that countries around the world have written constitutions but don’t seem to be that free either

271728 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Julian, 1, #438 of 1943 🔗

Australia has a written constitution even though they have a Queen. Canada has a written constitution likewise.
Both are federations.
The Soviet Union had a written constitution.
There is no reason why the United Kingdom couldn’t be a federation, which we almost are, except there’s no Executive branch for England, Boris et al are the U.K. government and should not be making decisions for England that the devolved executives can for their own nations.
The United Federal Kingdom of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, (could not have the federal United Kingdom, although it could be an appropriate abbreviation!)

271652 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Adam, 9, #439 of 1943 🔗

The most powerful constitution in the world,the American one, didn’t save them from the same result.
The problem is the entire medical/scientific establishment plus the media has been corrupted and Governments are following supra national rules in the pursuit of a very unpleasant future.

271670 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #440 of 1943 🔗

Likewise Ireland – there was a case taken and the “judge” ruled that constitutional rights are not absolute.

271798 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Adam, #441 of 1943 🔗

A public that values their own freedom and the freedom of others is what we need.

271608 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #442 of 1943 🔗

The reason for the “2 wave” is the natural consequence of using PCR to boost a FAKE PANDEMIC SRF & Billionaires TOOL/PROPAGANDA so that THEY can CHANGE Their Civilization and Planet to the way THEY most see fit.

ALL THE REST is just a circus…

IMPACT OF THE FLU JAB IN PCR “CASES” … It’s funny!

(data for Portugal but for UK and so on is the same…)

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And this is how THEY do it!

271644 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Voz 0db, #443 of 1943 🔗

A graph can tell any tale you want. Is there any study that shows the PCR picks up flu?

271668 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #444 of 1943 🔗

Well… We still don’t have a single study showing us that “SARS-CoV-2” is an infectious viral particle, capable of causing a disease (pneumonia) and eventually kill the infected animal.

Do you know any study that shows that PCR is NOT picking up flu?

PCR picks ANYTHING we want, specially when NO GOLD STANDARD exists….

How do you think that Cristiano Ronaldo after 6 consecutive PCR’s with “positive” amplification (done in 4 days) on the day after complaining that “ PCR is s h i t ” GOT one PCR with “negative” amplification and was playing soccer the day after?!

271704 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #445 of 1943 🔗

What’s the “tale” that graph tells you?

271929 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Voz 0db, #446 of 1943 🔗

Correlation.

PCR is certainly a fraud, however, I just want to know the technical reason it would test positive for flu?

272229 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #447 of 1943 🔗

I already wrote the reason… No gold standard. You need to understand what this means in the lalaLand of PCR.

They build a closed loop of sensitivity and specificity, that’s why they always declare high %s on both those measures.

If the 1t PCR protocol is a crap but it is used to calibrate all the other experiments, than all experiments are crap.

271618 alw, replying to alw, 12, #448 of 1943 🔗

Just heard from a teacher in the NE that one school has 70% absenteeism at the moment, Using PCR one child tests positive and the whole bubble off for 14 days. They go back to school and another tests so called positive and they are off again. Meanwhile in the real world while Mum and Dad are at work they are out and about in the park with all their mates. A generation educationally disadvantaged. 😭

271636 ▶▶ calchas, replying to alw, 8, #449 of 1943 🔗

I am beginning to view this kind of thing as positive. It makes it less likely that people will settle in under these conditions. The more disruption the better.

In the world that is emerging all that education does is to make you a more productive slave.

271675 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 5, #450 of 1943 🔗

They have already settled in to it. Disruption means nothing to them when they are bought in to the fear and the need to sacrifice everything to the God of safetyism.

271990 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to alw, #451 of 1943 🔗

This is teachers having serious amounts of time off by the backdoor
Couldn’t get the schools closed so deploy Plan B.

271619 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 45, #452 of 1943 🔗

“Government Proposes to Liberate Local Areas in Bid to Placate Rebellion”
And Toby’s comment–‘It’s a start’

I’m sorry toby, it’s NOT a start. It’s just more divide and rule by buying off those MP’s who are kicking up a stink. This whole catastrophe has to be ended and the whole country has to return to normal. Anything else is just playing tunes to the PM’s fiddle.

271627 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Harry hopkins, 18, #453 of 1943 🔗

Exactly Harry!

In fact, because this whole line of argument accepts the logic of lockdown it is a fatal error.

It is as if we are prisoners in an internment camp arguing for milder punishment, whilst accepting that we deserver some punishment.

271639 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 4, #454 of 1943 🔗

Overton Window

271745 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #455 of 1943 🔗

True, though you could equally argue that by accepting that it’s OK to advocate for less draconian restrictions in the name of proportionality the Overton Window is being moved in our direction.

271677 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to calchas, 16, #456 of 1943 🔗

Too true calchas!

Those of us who are true anti lockdowners know full well that until this whole sh*t show is completely ended and the whole language and terminology of the last seven months is consigned to the dust bin of history it will just go on and on.

As James Corbett is now saying: each and every one of us must now adopt a ‘disobedience’ attitude and behave as normally as possible. We do ourselves nothing but harm and make absolutely no progress by trying to engage with all the madness that is going on.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/27/watch-what-no-one-is-saying-about-the-lockdowns/

271725 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, 6, #457 of 1943 🔗

Like Tobias Elwood explaining to Jeremy Vine yesterday how essential tiers are but that his particular constituency, Bournemouth East, should be in tier one.

271769 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to karenovirus, 6, #458 of 1943 🔗

Lt-col Ellwood of 77th Brigade? Shurely shome mishtake…?

271883 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #459 of 1943 🔗

Yes. I couldn’t believe that he of all people was preparing to vote against the government.

271897 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bugle, 1, #460 of 1943 🔗

He should now re-assign his brigade to fight for freedom.

271631 ▶▶ steph, replying to Harry hopkins, 16, #461 of 1943 🔗

Absolutely. It’s wrong on so many levels.
Firstly, lockdown at all is predicated on lies and has no value but is enormously damaging.
Secondly, the pandemic is over with very few genuine cases not caused by poor infection control in hospital.
Thirdly, get bought off by a promise that at the first review your constituency will move down a tier – more fool you.

271632 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #462 of 1943 🔗

They are doing this because there is no real basis for restrictions, if they placate us we’ll stop asking questions.

271659 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #463 of 1943 🔗

It is a start, that cannot be denied. But it is not good enough, it doesn’t go far enough, and as you say it is a mere sop.
When I saw my MPs response (steve_w had the same) I could see that the CRG had walked straight into the trap. Don’t they play chess at all?

271764 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #464 of 1943 🔗

Absolutely right.

271948 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Harry hopkins, #465 of 1943 🔗

💯

272268 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #466 of 1943 🔗

The WEF’s fiddle

271628 Julian, replying to Julian, 3, #467 of 1943 🔗

Another attempt at the average age of covid death vs average age all deaths from all causes debate.

Let’s say both are 80.

I believe that the average life expectancy for 80 year olds is more than 80. So if some of those 80 year olds die earlier because of covid, it will pull down the average life expectancy a bit

Perhaps someone could come up with a clever example to prove or disprove this

271654 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 5, #468 of 1943 🔗

What is the lfe expectancy of an 80 year old with underlying conditions?

The fact that in Sweden they are heading for a normal year in terms of all-case mortality shows definitively that all of those excess deaths in Sweden in April and May would otherwise have occurred in the months just before or in the months just after.

271699 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 3, #469 of 1943 🔗

I have just used the Aviva life expectancy calculator, typed in my age as a female, aged 80, with no underlying health conditions, including BMI in the normal range. My life expectancy is 92 (although note, as this is for the purposes of post-retirement insurance cover, this is likely an overestimate). If I use the ONS calculator it comes out at 90, although it does not allow for BMI etc, so it is an average.

Life expectancy calculator – Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

The point, however, is comorbidities rather than age, per se, As Dr Peter has said on here, most of those dying would have died within 12 months. It is clear from the datasheet someone posted yesterday with hospital data for England, of the 21,317 deaths in the over 80s, 20,656 had pre-existing conditions. Interestingly, there have been slightly more deaths without pre-existing conditions in the 60-79 category (713) than in the over 80s (661), although that may be an artefact of a relatively larger numbers of over 80s dying in care homes.

271741 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #470 of 1943 🔗

Thanks to you and to calchas – I think you’ve hit the nail on the head – it really depends on how long the 80 year olds dying of covid were likely to live, and the answer is probably not very long

A deadly pandemic that has negligible effect on life expectancy doesn’t seem that deadly

271635 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #471 of 1943 🔗
271646 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #472 of 1943 🔗

Reading this, I’m starting to think that it is London itself holding the nation back. Talk about shit-housery

271667 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #473 of 1943 🔗

The Standard over the last few years has transformed itself into the paper of the urban metropolitan class.I wouldn’t take much notice of it.They give it away free and still no one reads it.

271678 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #474 of 1943 🔗

It’s good to help get the fire lit

271688 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to steph, 2, #475 of 1943 🔗

But now you can’t buy any real coal. Just crap so full of cement it’s barely black to start with, and toxically sulphurous. Part of the spaffing Johnson’s commitment to saving the planet.

271760 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ovis, 1, #476 of 1943 🔗

We have a soon-to-be-illegal wood burner. Apparently it’s a real crime against the environment so they will legislate against it.

271642 DRW, 7, #477 of 1943 🔗

Tiers until April? The ripple peaked before LD2, “cases” should be on the floor by the new year. But I’m sure there will be SAGE modelling saying million dead a day if we all go into Tier 1.

271649 Dan Clarke, 11, #478 of 1943 🔗

“I’m not comfortable with wearing a muzzle or being locked down”. Stick your tiers.

271653 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #479 of 1943 🔗

I just read a tweet by the reliably awful John Rentoul, praising Michael Gove for his (attached) statement “explaining” about “protecting the NHS”. Rentoul thinks it’s wonderful and he should have said it earlier and it should be outside the paywall bla bla bla.

But what Gove says here is just the same old shit as usual. Spewing lies while people sit obediently at home dying of treatable cancers.

Why are people like Rentoul (who may be a smug Blairite tosser but is at least reasonably intelligent, although I always beat him on the Saturday iQuiz, which is the only reason I visit his wretched Twitter feed) swallowing this? What am I missing here?

271657 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #480 of 1943 🔗

They are killing people, with the consent of Parliament

271682 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #481 of 1943 🔗

I call this HUNTING SEASON for old folks & gals.

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And clearly NO ONE – not even the family members – gives a fuck.

271655 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 8, #482 of 1943 🔗

For those REALLY DISTRACTED slaves…

This is the FINAL GOAL of the SRF & Billionaires (Billy G is just ONE of the Billionaires with more public visibility and a real profit and interest in reducing the HERD of modern moron slaves)

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First major milestone 2030. So expect many more TOOLS to be deployed that will create the conditions for SILENT DEATHS. The ones that don’t catch the HERD’s attention and so it just remains calm and consuming (grazing!)

271663 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #483 of 1943 🔗

With all of the political morons complicit, everywhere

271715 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 8, #484 of 1943 🔗

For those that aren’t aware of what SILENT DEATHS are… just one example!

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271666 Ken Gardner, replying to Ken Gardner, 9, #485 of 1943 🔗

Today’s newsletter asks that we support Peter Hitchens’ scheme and write to our MPs. I have a further suggestion. Let’s do this on a grand scale. Let’s write dozens of emails, to our MPs, Ministers, and anyone else involved whose email address we know. Attach graphs, charts, links to articles, videos, whatever, according to our own particular viewpoint and interest. Don’t lump them all together, put each item in a separate message, and let’s swamp the system! What do others think?

271674 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ken Gardner, 5, #486 of 1943 🔗

Well… I’ve been doing that (sending email’s) since the start of OPERATION CUVID. For what I know THEY don’t give a fuck about emails, just like they don’t give a fuck about street protests!

ONLY SOLUTION that will cause them to move course:

Execute several Jedburgh’s actions or nothing will change except the things the SRF & Billionaires via jesters want to CHANGE!

271680 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #487 of 1943 🔗

Depends what the aim is. Do we want them to actually consider the information? No chance of that at high volume.

271695 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #488 of 1943 🔗

jesters ONLY CONSIDER the ORDERS from the SRF & Billionaires.

jesters don’t listen to the sheeple baa’s!

What happened after the early November meeting between BJ and Bill Gates in DS10!

271701 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #489 of 1943 🔗

I think we are just an irritant to them now. They certainly won’t read high volume technical information.
I don’t disagree that we should email them but it should be short and sharp. I know my correspondence to my MP makes no difference at all whether detailed and well argued from a scientific view point or just a quick plea not to do more damage (sometimes with a polite assurance that if she supports the damaging measures I will no longer vote for her).
I can’t stay completely silent but I don’t delude myself she’s listening.

271707 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steph, 2, #490 of 1943 🔗

My thoughts exactly Steph.

271797 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ken Gardner, #491 of 1943 🔗

It just needs a well written template. The only letter I’ve sent to my MP is a form I filled out on Liberty’s website and auto-fill did it all for me.

272956 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ken Gardner, #492 of 1943 🔗

Overwhelm their servers.

271672 OldBaldGamer, replying to OldBaldGamer, 13, #493 of 1943 🔗

Still think it’s not a conspiracy ?

271692 ▶▶ CGL, replying to OldBaldGamer, -1, #494 of 1943 🔗

Do you think he has any idea what badge anyone stuffs in his pudgy sweaty hand to wear?

271761 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to CGL, 3, #495 of 1943 🔗

Whoever is ‘managing’ him wouldn’t let him wear a neo nazi badge would they?

271792 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #496 of 1943 🔗

Who knows anything anymore?
I would have no idea what any of the pretty adornments they wear represent. I just wondered if he just takes whatever is given to him as he passes by on the way to the lectern.
He’s clueless about anything except himself I believe.

271703 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to OldBaldGamer, 8, #497 of 1943 🔗

Right. Because when there’s a secret global conspiracy, what happens is the United Nations publishes the details and everyone gets a badge to wear.

It reminds me, once again, of Blackadder the Third, when a couple of actors are stitched up for supposedly conspiring to kill the Prince Regent – when all they’re actually doing is rehearsing “Macbeth”.

“Textbook, stuff again, you see. The criminal’s vanity always makes him make one tiny, but fatal, mistake. Theirs was to have their entire conspiracy printed and published in play manuscript form.”

271722 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #498 of 1943 🔗

Indeed.

Though my problem with it is the way it proves yet again that he is either a lying opportunist accomplice or an actual radical – the very opposite of a conservative in any meaningful sense. A conservative’s response to any proposal to “transform the world” (or, dare I say it, “build it back better”) based on some ideology-based balderdash should be open contempt.

The real problem we face is the utter cultural and political defeat of sensible conservatism by the forces of ideological radicalism, whether climate panic, antiracist and politically correct thuggery or coronapanicking nonsense.

The solution is not to surrender to it in order to get into office, as the “Conservative” Party does, but to fight to renew actual conservative scepticism as a real force for restraint and for good in our societies.

271839 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #499 of 1943 🔗

It’s not a conspiracy,it’s there in plain site.Our leaders have signed us up to all sorts of nonsense and now is time to pay the virtue signalling checks
Agenda21/30 is a series of goals that we are legally obliged to meet.
Covid 19 is just supplying the cover.
Ever wonder why windmills and cycle lanes are an appropriate response to a viral infection.

272960 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #500 of 1943 🔗

Do you follow Mark Window’s podcasts? I do.

271752 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to OldBaldGamer, 1, #501 of 1943 🔗

Oh, I thought he’d come out.

271673 steph, replying to steph, 1, #502 of 1943 🔗

I’ve been musing to myself about our natural desire to punish those that are responsible for this dreadful overreaction to the Covid outbreak.
Bear with me because this will be unpopular and I’m not sure how I feel about it myself. The question is how much do we just want this to stop and how much do we want it to stop and punish those responsible?
I know it’s not in our gift but I worry that fear of punishment when it stops keeps this going on longer by those who have just been stupid, lazy and easily led. I don’t include the cronyism and fraud which must be investigated.
Just thinking out loud. Thoughts?

271676 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to steph, 4, #503 of 1943 🔗

Get the lampposts ready

271681 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #504 of 1943 🔗

No grey area there!

272971 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jakehadlee, #505 of 1943 🔗

1980s protest song from The Style Council: A Gospel.
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Oi8iJH7m0&list=RDAMVMe9Oi8iJH7m0

271687 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to steph, 2, #506 of 1943 🔗

That is a matter for the law of the land; innocent until proven guilty.

271691 ▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to steph, 17, #507 of 1943 🔗

This ends two ways.

One: The Globalist win, Population reduced to 2Bn or so over the next few years, Full on “Brave new word” which ends as a Fascist dictatorship.

Two: Populist revolt, Involving the death or incarceration of All Globalists, Media types, etc, which then descends into a Fascist dictatorship.

There is no 3rd way in which the life up till February ever comes back.

I am not in a good mood, and I honestly do not see this ending well.

271777 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to OldBaldGamer, 3, #508 of 1943 🔗

I wish there was assisted suicide offered by the government

271834 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 2, #509 of 1943 🔗

Don’t joke,that’s one of the exemptions to travelling abroad.

271835 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, #510 of 1943 🔗

You mean assisted suicide FOR the government. I am one of the many only too willing to assist these monsters in dying.

271855 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #511 of 1943 🔗

Yes we were wondering last night if there were any assassins up for a crowd fund job

271800 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to OldBaldGamer, 3, #512 of 1943 🔗

It is now either total human enslavemnt or the whole system is swept away.

272983 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OldBaldGamer, #513 of 1943 🔗

It already is a Fascist Dictatorship. It’s just getting progressively worse.

271693 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steph, #514 of 1943 🔗

Civil Courts, get their money. Reduce them to penury.

271694 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steph, 8, #515 of 1943 🔗

For me escaping our captivity is the primary goal. Nothing else can be achieved before that happens.

271700 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steph, 7, #516 of 1943 🔗

Those who have gone above and beyond – the PM, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance notably, probably Gove, probably others, should be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, to discourage any repeat and give due weight to the truth that this has been a knowing deception rather than an innocent mistake made in good faith.

How much further you go is tricky. There are precedents for this in places where there has been dictatorship and conflict and I suppose one ought to look at how it has been approached and decide which approach worked best.

I know it’s not in our gift but I worry that fear of punishment when it stops keeps this going on longer by those who have just been stupid, lazy and easily led.”

I think those who have been stupid, lazy and easily led are not the ones who are calling the shots and probably most of them still think they are doing the right thing. The men at the stop are most certainly not stupid, lazy and easily led in any way that excuses or mitigates what they have done.

271716 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Julian, 6, #517 of 1943 🔗

I think I agree. Boris is stupid and lazy but he’s the PM for God’s sake so he shouldn’t have been pushed into this by SAGE. But I do suspect it’s his fear now that keeps it going.

271735 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steph, 3, #518 of 1943 🔗

He is not so stupid that he doesn’t understand the true nature of the “pandemic”.

Lazy, yes, but he has people to do the hard work for him and he’s not so stupid that he doesn’t know that.

271832 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steph, #519 of 1943 🔗

No it’s his hubris. He isn’t big enough to apologise and say he made a mistake. He’s enjoying the power too much.

272989 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich -, #520 of 1943 🔗

I still think that someone has some dirt on Boris that would embarrass him very much.

272357 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to steph, #521 of 1943 🔗

Surely Prime Ministers and Presidents are, and always have been, puppets to unions in the past and global capitalism to date.Twas ever thus..

271709 ▶▶ Mark, replying to steph, 9, #522 of 1943 🔗

Always an issue of tactics. Give the bad guys a way out to encourage them to run or go for broke and have them fight to the death. Sun Tzu referred to this in the context of battle as building a golden bridge for your opponent to escape across the river you have trapped him against.

In this country we generally prefer compromise, especially when the establishment are judging their own and have all been complicit – in that, this coronapanic disaster is like the Iraq War.

The dilemma also applies to the bad guys of course – do they fight to the end and go down hard, or climb down early and get off relatively lightly.

In this case, I’m personally going with no forgiveness and the witch hunt, safe in the knowledge that nobody’s listening to me anyway. That way I can afterwards honestly dismiss those who compromise as not doing so in my name, and hound the perpetrators myself whether or not they cave earlier than they could have gotten away with.

271829 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to steph, 9, #523 of 1943 🔗

I think about this too, Steph. When people post here about lampposts and The List, it cheers up the part of me that is experiencing this horror show from the position of a persecuted and abandoned child. When my friends decline to meet me because they ‘don’t want to be part of a chain of transmission,’ I spit at them in my mind: ‘Collaborators.’

I believe in moral law. A social and political order more acceptably aligned with moral law must be reinstated. No amount of solitary psychological insight can counteract the real-world experience of living in a nation state that has banned or destroyed most of the relationships and activities that make my life meaningful, and stripped me, in law, of my rights of freedom of movement, association, and bodily autonomy.

But my friends are one of the things that I want to have back. If I destroy them in my mind, I won’t be able to be glad when they return. Constantly under attack from my culture, I slip these days frequently into a state of primed reactive hostility. I enter Waitrose ‘ready to blow’: woe betide the next person to challenge me over my masklessness. I might cut them down with the 2010 equality act, or opt for a stream of obscene invective.

I used to love Waitrose, laughable as that may sound. I liked to go on my way home from work, and sit in the cafe perusing the Telegraph (because it has Michael Deacon, and animal photos, and fashion journalism, and political opinions that I will not have heard from my academic colleagues). I was happy, having a coffee, reflecting on my day.

We must have a just social order, because it is what makes life in the human community viable. In its absence, we are faced with the challenge of preserving our best qualities in isolation, our capacity for a wellbeing that cannot but depend on the people around us.

271876 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Alethea, #524 of 1943 🔗

Well written – made me think.

271882 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to steph, 4, #525 of 1943 🔗

It’s a reasonable point, that after a certain point the potential penalty accumulated means you have nothing to lose, that your options become funding a narrative that gets you out, or gaining complete control of those who you’ve wronged so that they are unable to bring you to justice (or get revenge).

We’re already passed the point where playing along with the story lets us all ease out though, surely? They’ve had several opportunities to take an exit path, at least three, and instead they doubled down to (one might suppose) try and reap the rewards promised as part of the collateral damage.

At this stage they’ve already committed to the “lockdown forever so they can’t get us” stage. You can tell this because they are no longer even spinning the “vaccine then we’re done with this” story – it’s now a “vaccine but we’ll still have to keep the measures, plus add a certification and tracking infrastructure” story.

In truth, as soon as we entered lockdown in March (against all previous pandemic strategic plans and decades of science) it appears we’ve been in an ever-evolving story that exists only to perpetuate lockdown. Any carrots offered were simply to delay and diffuse active opposition until the next load of totalitarian sticks were firmly locked in place.

271705 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 10, #526 of 1943 🔗

Stop Press: Kings Cross arrests are already happening

271708 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Marialta, 5, #527 of 1943 🔗

Are there any pictures yet?

271724 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Marialta, 9, #528 of 1943 🔗

Not necessarily a bad thing. One arrest ties up at least two officers

Eventually they run out of officers

271774 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Marialta, 6, #529 of 1943 🔗

Arrests for what?

This is terrible

271869 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ben, 1, #530 of 1943 🔗

Assembling in groups.

271895 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Marialta, 2, #531 of 1943 🔗

It’s a great day to be a criminal. If I was a burglar or a car thief I’d be on overtime today.

272993 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Marialta, #532 of 1943 🔗

The government is showing its true colours. They have voted for Fascism. That should be the last straw.

271713 JME, replying to JME, 19, #533 of 1943 🔗

I must say that I am just a little concerned that the Tory MPs opposing the tiers are only putting up a fight for their own constituencies (which is obviously the most important thing to them) and will be “bought off” by a reduction in their tier level, giving up any further opposition to the government.
I have emailed Mark Harper as leader of the CRG asking him to try to stop this from happening in order to keep some sort of pressure on the politburo & wonder if people thought this a good idea (along with emails to individual MPs)?

271718 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to JME, 6, #534 of 1943 🔗

Get no replies at all from mine. He thought it was more important to attend the opening of a new local road crossing this week.

271723 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JME, 7, #535 of 1943 🔗

Spot on, I think. I too think many will roll over if they think they’ll get an adjustment for their constituency. Too many individuals bleating about fairness when they are missing the futility and illegitimacy of the whole ‘strategy’. Can’t hurt to point this out to MPs.

271746 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JME, 1, #536 of 1943 🔗

“Vote for me ! I got Walford Central down to tier 2 ! “

271785 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 5, #537 of 1943 🔗

Are they seriously that deluded that they actually think anyone will vote for them ever again?

271811 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to CGL, 6, #538 of 1943 🔗

Maybe the deluded are those who think we will be allowed a meaningful vote in 2024.

271771 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JME, 2, #539 of 1943 🔗

It’s a show. They don’t care about the human tragedy Gov’t policies are causing

271791 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ben, 3, #540 of 1943 🔗

Yep. Everyone will be grateful for their substantial meal and a pint in a fortnight when really all they wanted was a pint.

271845 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JME, 2, #541 of 1943 🔗

It’s sickening irrelevance isn’t it, like the Captain and First Mate of the Titanic squabbling over what colour the lifeboats should be painted.

271719 Susan Nicholson, replying to Susan Nicholson, 3, #542 of 1943 🔗

I live in the East Riding of Yorkshire which has a much lower infection rate than nearby Hull and is dropping. In fact our rate is just below that of Scarborough which is in tier 2. We have been put in tier 3 as part of the “Humber”. I don’t live in the Humber, no one does it’s an estuary. 20 years ago we overturned the ridiculous imposition of “Humberside” and returned to being the East Riding of Yorkshire. The virus appears to be giving some bureaucratic numpties the idea that they can resurrect the idea of Humberside, presumably because they’ll get more money or influence. and as a result we’re in tier 3 instead of tier 2. This is completely unacceptable.

272034 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Susan Nicholson, 2, #543 of 1943 🔗

Anything above Tier Zero anywhere is unacceptable

272473 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Susan Nicholson, #544 of 1943 🔗

I nearly lived in the Humber, Barton upon Humber that had an identity crisis from Lincs to Humberside..spit! Tho, I did enjoy the ferry from New Holland to Hull, nostalgias not what it was…

273116 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Susan Nicholson, #545 of 1943 🔗

Sue it’s madness I agree. I’m in East Riding too. Written to David Davis 4 times. Huge rural sparsely occupied rural county. FFS.

271720 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #546 of 1943 🔗

Government Proposes to Liberate Local Areas in Bid to Placate Rebellion
That’s like saying the Germans decided to liberate France after they got the shit kicked out of them in the Falise Gap

271729 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cecil B, 11, #547 of 1943 🔗

If any MP falls for that one they are both naive and shirking their responsibilities to their constituents and country more generally. He is neither good to his word, or any piece of paper he signs – ask the DUP.

271732 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #548 of 1943 🔗

Well said.

271740 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bugle, 2, #549 of 1943 🔗

I should have also added, ask those on the other side of his previous marriage certificates.

271738 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 5, #550 of 1943 🔗

That’s like the Germans conquering France in 6 weeks but allowing the South East to be in tier Vichy.

271726 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #551 of 1943 🔗

Isn’t it nice that politicians tell us what we can and cannot do on a daily basis. And the stupid read the rules so they can abide by them.

271734 ▶▶ steph, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #552 of 1943 🔗

What’s really worse is that nobody is hiding the fact that SAGE are “allowing” and “prohibiting” and the government-in-name-only is letting them.

271743 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to steph, 1, #553 of 1943 🔗

What have SAGE got on them?

271758 ▶▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to Bugle, 1, #554 of 1943 🔗

sage did an IQ test on the cabinet!

271763 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bugle, 1, #555 of 1943 🔗

They don’t need anything. Any death will be pinned on the Govt if they deviate too far from Sage advice. They simply can’t afford to give up the protection that doing as they are told affords them.

271778 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #556 of 1943 🔗

Wait until old people start to die from the vaccine.

271793 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to annie, 3, #557 of 1943 🔗

And if that happens it can be hung on sage who will no doubt model that more elderly would die without the jab than will be finished off by it

271779 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #558 of 1943 🔗

Another hole they dug for themselves early on by bigging up SAGE

Anyway, SAGE have been clear that they don’t feel it is their job to look at wider impacts of measures – it is clearly the job of the Cabinet to do that

The PM could easily have said early on that the final decision rests quite rightly with the Cabinet, to judge the balance of harms and benefits

271788 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 3, #559 of 1943 🔗

Absolutely. But he never wanted to take responsibility.

271733 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #560 of 1943 🔗

Nurse has her car stolen, which is bad enough, but….they had to get coronavirus in the story. It actually makes me feel sick reading it, the strategic scaremongering is really bad.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scum-steal-hero-nurses-car-23081978

271736 ▶▶ steph, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #561 of 1943 🔗

So there’s now a hierarchy of value now in NHS workers, as if we didn’t know.
A nurse in neonatal ICU or dementia care would obviously be of less concern.

271739 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 18, #562 of 1943 🔗

Good news! Gove has told rebel MPs not to “shirk their responsibilities” – in other words fall into line behind the cabinet. As well as proving what a complete arse he is, this will have the very desirable effect of making the said rebels dig their heels in.

271744 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Bugle, 7, #563 of 1943 🔗

As a statement, n ot to “shirk their responsibilities” cuts both ways.

271750 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bugle, 4, #564 of 1943 🔗

Wonder what Mrs Gove will have to say in her Mail column tomorrow?

271814 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #565 of 1943 🔗

If I were her, I’d change the locks.

271767 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bugle, 4, #566 of 1943 🔗

Even at this late hour Gove could have saved himself. Too late now

271823 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #567 of 1943 🔗

He is fully on board with Agenda 21/30

271775 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bugle, 2, #568 of 1943 🔗

Interesting he seems to be chirping about this more than the PM and Hancock

271812 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, #569 of 1943 🔗

Thought he looked very prime-ministerial in the pic.

271820 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bugle, 1, #570 of 1943 🔗

Doubt he’d have the support. Government of National Unity?

271866 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 1, #571 of 1943 🔗

National Socialism more like.

271742 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 17, #572 of 1943 🔗

I was listening to the Tony gosling radio show last night, he was interviewing a Yorkshireman who lives in Hong Kong.

Some very scary stuff happening there. When eating in restaurants full track and trace via an app, if anybody who eat in the restaurant tests (false)+ everyone who was in the restaurant at the same time has to self isolate for 14 days.

If a resident of a tower block or a housing estate tests (false)+ the whole block/estate has to self isolate for 14 days.

Huge fines and 6 months in prison if anybody disobeys.

Social credits being rolled out, credits are awarded if people cross the road at a pedestrian crossing when the green man is lit and credits removed if they cross on red man. Credits awarded if people are nice to each other, and if they use bins and recycle.

Temperature checks compulsory in shops.

He is a virtual prisoner in his home as he refuses to comply (one of us). Trying to get out of the country.

https://politicsthisweek.wordpress.com/

271747 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to stefarm, 12, #573 of 1943 🔗

Sadly, if he comes home, he won’t notice much of a difference.

271753 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #574 of 1943 🔗

Indeed, wonder what the plebs will think of it if they know what’s coming, not much probably as we are all in it together

271768 ▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 9, #575 of 1943 🔗

This is living hell. Total control of the human body and the human soul. Wild animals have better lives

Death is preferable

271790 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 5, #576 of 1943 🔗

You know what as a 43 year old man with a half decent job and a lovely fiance with a good job and a great life pre March PC (pre covid), we have both said the same*

Don’t worry folks we will keep fighting!!!

271802 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to stefarm, 7, #577 of 1943 🔗

I too have thought that but we all have each other for support, and there is good news to encourage us.

271815 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to DRW, 4, #578 of 1943 🔗

The bastards won’t win. The human spirit is too strong

271816 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 3, #579 of 1943 🔗

Very glad to hear you saying this DRW

272054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to CGL, 1, #580 of 1943 🔗

Thank you CGL.

271776 ▶▶ steph, replying to stefarm, 1, #581 of 1943 🔗

Credits for being nice to people – how does that work?

271782 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to steph, #582 of 1943 🔗

Who knows, probably smiling at someone or being polite, picked up on CCTV

271822 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to steph, 2, #583 of 1943 🔗

This is a good overview of the social credit system in Mainland China – I don’t know how it’s being adapted to Hong Kong (indeed, I thought I read a while back that it would not be introduced there), but it’s Orwellian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVkWokLqPOg

I used to work in China and I can see why they are trying to get people to behave, so to speak – many laws are not enforced very well (unless you are challenging the Party or the government) and there is no civil society or sense of community, largely due to the Party’s worries about any competition. Still, this is frightening and we obviously do not want anything like it here.

272320 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #584 of 1943 🔗

I have made an effort to stand back regarding all things China. Jingoism is toxic. However, fresh in my mind from several days ago is a news report of President Xi’s ambitions to establish QR code health passports around the world.

Anything that challenges my right to autonomy and freedom is aggression. No nation has the right to enforce such technology on humans, in essence forcing people to justify their existence. Immunity passports of any kind for daily life are balls and chains

271819 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, #586 of 1943 🔗

Don’t they all live under the kosh anyway? They must be used to no dissent, no freedom, no job of your choosing, surveillance etc etc etc mustn’t they?

271821 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sarigan, 3, #587 of 1943 🔗

We are witnessing the birth of Oceania,Eurasia and EastAsia

271846 ▶▶ dpj, replying to stefarm, 2, #588 of 1943 🔗

When I watched this I didn’t realise it was actually a documentary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive_(Black_Mirror)

273001 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #589 of 1943 🔗

And who is running Hong Kong now? The Chinese Communist Party.

271749 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #590 of 1943 🔗

Question for our American cousins. Last Thursday was Thanks Giving, I understand a lot of people travelled to see family for the holiday. Was it a subdued affair or did it appear normal? In other words are politicians “advice” being ignored or not?

271809 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #591 of 1943 🔗

Lots of reports it was ignored and millions travelled as normal.

271817 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #592 of 1943 🔗

Not sure about NY – Governor Cuomo wanted everybody buying a certain size of Turkey to sign legal documents and affidavits.

271754 Mike Collins, #593 of 1943 🔗

Letter dispatched to MP in protest at further lockdown.

http://www.WriteToThem.com makes it easy. Send it today

271757 TheBigman, 11, #594 of 1943 🔗

The Great Reset is NOT conspiracy theory but an agenda that will always be strives for by those in real power.

I applaud anyone who fights back against this barbarity.
Whatever your thoughts on theology for or against, those in real power believe in it and are using it to push further control.

PLEASE WATCH ALL THE WAY THROUGH!

https://youtu.be/0SY78ow6Fhk

271762 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 8, #595 of 1943 🔗

Coming into London on the A40, I’ve passed FIVE full police vans hanging around at points between the M25 and Hillingdon

271858 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to mattghg, 1, #596 of 1943 🔗

Was there a cafe?

272055 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Bugle, 1, #597 of 1943 🔗

massage parlour

272169 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to anon, #598 of 1943 🔗

!

271781 leggy, replying to leggy, #599 of 1943 🔗
271795 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to leggy, 2, #600 of 1943 🔗

I’m staying under the radar and not joining anything linked to facebook etc, does it do that automatically when you join?

271801 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #601 of 1943 🔗

Here’s one pic.

272623 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 1, #602 of 1943 🔗

No money for police to combat knife crime in London

271787 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #604 of 1943 🔗

Can any FS’s advise me where I can buy any anti lockdown car stickers from or give me a link please?
I have trawled the internet and the closest I have found are “anti lockdown/ support Trump” ones.
Thank you in advance.

271804 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #605 of 1943 🔗

Plenty of sellers on eBay will make and send bespoke stickers with any design you want. The lamp posts near me are full of them 👀

271837 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tom Blackburn, #606 of 1943 🔗

Thanks, Tom.

271789 Dan Clarke, 4, #607 of 1943 🔗

Gove tells MP’s not to shirk their responsibility to their Global Masters

271794 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 7, #608 of 1943 🔗

Laughing whilst they put 23m in draconian Tier 3 restrictions. https://t.co/e5ZbwW0OEG https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1332261688104652800?s=20

Can anyone verify if this is recent, that is the past week. If so, would make a powerful poster for their utter contempt of the public.

271807 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Nsklent, 3, #609 of 1943 🔗

Hi yes that was Thursday

271799 leggy, 2, #610 of 1943 🔗

London protest switched to Marble Arch.

271805 Tom Blackburn, #611 of 1943 🔗
271806 Tom Blackburn, #612 of 1943 🔗
271808 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #613 of 1943 🔗
271830 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #614 of 1943 🔗

Looks like there’s room for cuts in police funding, given the waste of resources here.

272028 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to RickH, #615 of 1943 🔗

Plenty of “waist” on some of them.

271813 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 21, #616 of 1943 🔗

This is what I’ve emailed to my MP (Robbie Moore) via the Write to Them site:

Dear Robbie Moore,

Please ensure that you vote against any proposed lockdown measures. Lockdowns kill people and businesses and they must end immediately.

This government is ruling by ministerial decree and diktat and is nothing short of a disgrace to democracy and is endangering public health.

I will consider a vote for lockdowns to be a vote for cruelty and a vote against fundamental human rights and will mean that I will never, ever vote for the Conservative party locally or nationally.

Yours sincerely,

271818 ▶▶ steph, replying to Moomin, 3, #617 of 1943 🔗

I like that one. Short and to the point.

271824 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 25, #618 of 1943 🔗
271828 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #619 of 1943 🔗

And this response thread looks like what might have been coined a conspiracy theory in normal times:

271856 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #620 of 1943 🔗

Erectile dysfunction? OK, I’m convinced.

271912 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bugle, 2, #621 of 1943 🔗

It presumably means that Covid can’t be hereditary.

272168 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to annie, #622 of 1943 🔗

Made me laugh.

271872 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #623 of 1943 🔗

“But long covid”

Never an excuse for what is happening. End the lockdowns now.

271887 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #624 of 1943 🔗

Twitter is full of empty shells or bots; I wouldn’t even bother with it.

273011 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jb12, #625 of 1943 🔗

I went to my Twitter page yesterday. Haven’t been there for months. Saw all sorts of links that I never asked for. Decided to delete all of them: Huff Post, CNN, MSNBC and a whole host of others. Got a message at the same at the top of the page asking me ‘what happened’?

272295 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #626 of 1943 🔗

The more important question – do we have a choice?

271826 DThom, replying to DThom, 25, #627 of 1943 🔗

Save the NHS so that they can carry on killing our elderly.
Sorry but I’m both sad and furious this morning.
Just learnt that two elderly ladies on a old peoples complex that we visit have died of/with covid. Both went into hospital for other treatments and both have caught covid in hospital and died inside a couple of weeks.

271838 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DThom, 1, #628 of 1943 🔗

Truly shocking.

271851 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DThom, 2, #629 of 1943 🔗

And maybe covid had nothing to do with it. I’m sorry for your sadness. We can’t have it both ways- we are either careful of accepting that covid is the only thing out there killing the vulnerable or we are not.

271857 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #630 of 1943 🔗

When we permit medical negligence on a national scale to occur without consequence the only reasonable expectation is that more medical negligence will occur. Now we just call it COVID and pretend its not happening.

271827 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 32, #631 of 1943 🔗

Dear BBC employees, with your latest headlines parroting government propaganda, I am laughing at you. You are taking me down with you, but at least I am comforted by the knowledge that you are f*****g yourselves. Your actions are helping to:

  • ruin the economy that pays your wages
  • make the country less safe for you . Eventual power cuts, fuel shortages, roaming gangs of starving people and so on.
  • shut down the health service for the real ailments you have rather than the imaginary one
  • no pubs
  • mediaeval dentistry is back!
  • usher in an authoritarian, probably totalitarian regime under which you will suffer along with the rest of us
  • separate you from your loved ones indefinitely
  • make it so that you never breathe fresh air again from behind your mask
  • make a daily testing regime a feature of your life
  • make it so that you have to carry an identity card – just like East Germany

And a million other humiliations, irritations, threats to your wellbeing. Congratulations!

271870 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #632 of 1943 🔗

and losing their jobs as more people cancel their tv licence!

272794 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Sue, #633 of 1943 🔗

Cancelled mine years ago and dont let the twats in who sometimes knock at the door!

271836 Bella Donna, 4, #634 of 1943 🔗

I’ll have a pint of Substantial Meal please guvnor!

271841 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #635 of 1943 🔗

Tegnell sidelined. Sweden reverts to Social Democrat type. My colleague when I worked there was reported anonymously by a student when he or she saw him go into a pub on a weeknight. They’ll love their new stasified existence. Welcome to the orthodox fold, Sweden. It took you four hundred years to swallow Christianity but only nine months to swallow covid Orthodoxy

271843 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #636 of 1943 🔗

What’s the story there?

271877 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Adamb, 1, #637 of 1943 🔗

I don’t have a DT subscription but the headline is roughly “Swedish covid guru sidelined as new cases rocket”

271894 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #638 of 1943 🔗

Here are the first three paragraphs:

The high-profile epidemiologist who led Sweden’s no lock-down strategy in the spring appears to be being sidelined by the government after his prediction that greater immunity would mean a lighter second wave proved badly wrong.

Anders Tegnell’s biweekly press conference was on Thursday pushed into the shade by an overlapping press conference fronted by Sweden’s Prime Minister Stefan Lofven, where new scenarios prepared by the Public Health Agency were announced.

“There’s certainly a split, and I’m pretty sure that many in the government have rather lost faith in the Public Health Agency,” said Nicholas Aylott, an associate politics professor at Stockholm’s Södertorn University.

271966 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #639 of 1943 🔗

I think the Sweden’s own accounts need to be read first.

272302 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #640 of 1943 🔗

Don’t trust a headline.
I heard sth yesterday, where the German newspaper had “28.000 new cases” as their headline. This being a German newspaper, you would assume it was 28k cases in Germany. Actually, they were reporting on Turkey, which was only made clear in the text.

271844 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 21, #641 of 1943 🔗

Back in March the SAGE sub-committee of behavioural scientists advised the government to conduct a propaganda campaign against the people. They emphasised the need to use fear and emotive language to elicit compliance. The campaign appears to have been so effective that senior government ministers (especially, Gove, Hancock and Johnson) have come to believe it themselves. This is the problem the Conservative rebels need to address, rather than worrying about the “unfairness” (what an immature attitude that word reveals) of their constituents being placed in a particular tier. The only way for the rebels to ensure there is a significant change of policy is resort to the letters to Graham Brady route. In the first instance, merely informing Ten Downing Street that they are prepared to send in fifty-five letters could well be sufficient to persuade Boris Johnson to change course; but if that was not sufficient, they should send in the letters and trigger a leadership contest. In such a contest, the issue of government responses to the virus would be centre stage and there would be space for the argument to be made that people should be simply offered accurate information and appropriate advice and be able to make their own risk and reward judgements: a traditional Tory position. Even if any candidate making such a case failed to win the leadership, the argument would nonetheless occupy a central place in public debate, and that in itself would, at the very least, temper some of the more authoritarian impulses of those who wish to combat the virus at any cost.

271852 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #642 of 1943 🔗

Completely agree. I have been writing this on other sites, and to my MP. It’s the only thing now – Doris will merely promise the world and renege on the promise.

271873 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 16, #643 of 1943 🔗

On 23 March Boris told us that the lockdown measures were only for three weeks, in order to flatten the curve, so the NHS would not be overwhelmed. Now he is suggesting the lockdown measures (in one form or another) will be in place until next March. Three weeks, a year: apparently for Boris they are the same thing. But even the next March end point is probably no more likely than the original three week end point. Unless this madness is recognised as madness, it will continue indefinitely.

271910 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #644 of 1943 🔗

If it is vindicated on the vaccine, it almost certainly is.

273014 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, #645 of 1943 🔗

Most likely. They’re having so much fun being sadistic with people they don’t know.

271854 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #646 of 1943 🔗

The use of violence and intimidation against a civilian population in order to further political aims. If only we had a word for such behaviour and laws against it.

271859 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Saved To Death, 9, #647 of 1943 🔗

Words that spring to mind include: terrorism. and crimes against humanity.

I seem to recall that the Nuremberg Tribunal sentenced Julius Streicher to death for having produced propaganda that served to justify the policies of the German state.

271907 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #648 of 1943 🔗

Streicher was stupid, foul-mouthed, ugly, coarse and cruel.
The BBC would have loved him.

271949 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to annie, 1, #649 of 1943 🔗

The notion that he was stupid is hardly tenable, unless one takes the view that the vast majority of our species are stupid (which would denude the word of any specificity). He was a school teacher, a decorated army officer, a politician, a journalist and editor. This is hardly the cv of a stupid person.

271905 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #650 of 1943 🔗

State-sponsored terrorism.

271908 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #651 of 1943 🔗

It happened for many years in Northern Ireland. And then as the joke went around where I grew up, Normal Tebbitt became the fastest reader of all time.

Going through 4 stories in a second.

272128 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Saved To Death, 3, #652 of 1943 🔗

It’s called high treason, I believe.

271847 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 4, #653 of 1943 🔗

While I appreciate the words of people like Ian Duncan Smith regarding the lockdown, it’s difficult to take him and others like him seriously while they make no mention of the Great Reset .

272018 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to J4mes, 2, #654 of 1943 🔗

Duncan Smith just wants ‘tiers’ and not an end to whole thing. This, plus not acknowledging the real agenda means that he is part of the problem. MW

272866 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #655 of 1943 🔗

Viruses seem to be governments’ new toy of control because most of the population believe what they can’t see

271850 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 88, #656 of 1943 🔗

Sorry guys, it’s a Saturday rant:

Yet another contretemps with a customer. I know, I know, I should just shut my gob, smile sweetly and suck up the Euriah Heap-esque expressions of regret at my business being decimated, but when these dick-heads don’t realise what they have surrendered, I just can’t help myself. Not only are they giving up their liberty, they are damned well giving up mine also and I won’t take that effing lying down. And do you know what he retorted when I deployed the killer statistic – you know, the 99.9% one – “well, there are two sides to every coin”.

And it gets worse. Because I am a woman, I am clearly hysterical and they commented to my (male) business partner “ooh, she’s a little upset” Too bloody right I am lady, but I can’t be robust, defiant, angry, bolshy as a woman, can I?. I have to be compliant, subservient and know my place. Well you can eff right off. Again, apologies.

271853 ▶▶ calchas, replying to kh1485, 32, #657 of 1943 🔗

Totally agree.

Bcause of these cowardly, conforming empty vessels we are all being dragged down to the lowest common denominator.

271861 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to calchas, 26, #658 of 1943 🔗

I tell you what, they are welcome to the nasty dystopian little hell-hole they have been complicit in creating.

271871 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kh1485, 11, #659 of 1943 🔗

I think that is now the point. I believe in freedom of choice, and if they want to ‘stay safe’ in a dystopian microcosm – fair enough.

But include me out. I will not interfere with their desire to squirrel themselves away in their meagre self-build prison. But I’m not going to do the same – except to the extent that it makes sense for someone who is in the ‘vulnerable’ category (and that will apply to any infectious disease). That’s my problem – not everybody else’s.

271885 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 13, #660 of 1943 🔗

I will repeat it. We are a vulnerable family and are perfectly capable of protecting and providing for ourselves without the rest of the world destroying their lives.

273017 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, #661 of 1943 🔗

Send all of them to Bikini Island if there’s anything left of it.

271864 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 12, #662 of 1943 🔗

No, we’re not. They are.
We are the highest common multiple, plus a lot. And you, kh, are on the top of Us. Be bolshy, walk tall, despise the scum but take its money.

271865 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 11, #663 of 1943 🔗

what don’t the sheeple understand about literally everybody having a 99.7% chance of NOT dying from Covids.
It’s beyond me. Two sides to every coin. What like Almost everybody, even “The Most Vunerable” have about 3.6% chance OF DYING FROM IT. That’s being generous to the covids killing ability.

I am seriouosly crap at maths but even this means something to me.

272059 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 4, #664 of 1943 🔗

“3.6% chance of dying from it”

Actually that sounds scary

A better way to look at it would be, as a vulnerable person or anyone for that matter, how likely am I to die in the next year if I don’t catch covid, and how like am I to die if I do. The difference between the two sets of odds, even for the vulnerable, will be so small as to make people wonder what all the fuss is about.

272269 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 1, #665 of 1943 🔗

You are being too rational. If people haven’t yet begun to wonder what all the fuss is about, will they ever?

272530 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Two-Six, #666 of 1943 🔗

Sadlidying

271923 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to kh1485, 18, #667 of 1943 🔗

Have you thought about putting a poster in your cafe window saying something like:

Did you know lockdowns also cost lives:

25 million GP appointments lost ( source: Care Quality Commission )
3 million people backlog for cancer screening (source: Cancer Research UK)
350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred ( source: Cancer Research UK )
986,000 women not screened for breast cancer ( source: Breast Cancer Now )
Nearly 2 million waiting > 18 weeks for planned surgery, such as knee and hip operations (source: NHS England)
111,026 patients waiting > 1 year for treatment ( source: NHS England )
MD and cataracts have gone untreated leaving patients at risk of sight loss
Waiting lists in general for the NHS are at an all-time high

Sooner or later, everyone , will be impacted by these backlogs, either them, their husband, wife, mother, father, sister, brother, etc. who needs treatment and joins the back of these queues.

Oh, and by the way, masks don’t work but wear one if you wish.

The Management

271950 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 9, #668 of 1943 🔗

I will print that off and put it up, thanks very much.

I tried with all the irrefutable facts and they just kept repeating their coin analogy, while looking at me as though I were insane.

271983 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to kh1485, 1, #669 of 1943 🔗

Great. Thanks. And keep going – you’re a star campaigner!

271993 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to kh1485, 2, #670 of 1943 🔗

And stillbirth deaths have nearly doubled during the pandemic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54779857

272013 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #671 of 1943 🔗

Thanks for this – very useful! MW

271984 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to kh1485, 4, #672 of 1943 🔗

So frustrating for you. I had a bad tempered argument with a first aid instructor (male) who insisted hysteria was a medical condition only suffered by women!

272113 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cedric the dragon, 6, #673 of 1943 🔗

Does that include women without a vagina 😉 I’ll get my coat!

271860 janeinthemindfield, replying to janeinthemindfield, 15, #674 of 1943 🔗

I have just heard the BBC news on radio 2. They are saying that the NHS will be overwhelmed if we dont do these Tiers etc. same line as usual.

I am sure it has been said many times before, but I do not understand why, instead of furloughing half the country for months on end, they dont put that money into training up nurses at speed for particular tasks and doubling (say)the size of the NHS and creating specific Covid isolation hospitals as they appeared to do with the Nightingales.

Its a completely irrational waste of money to furlough people instead of putting the money where it is needed. I dont know how they justify this to themselves, let alone sleep at night.

Why isnt this question being asked loudly and repeatedly? Its so obvious.

271878 ▶▶ jb12, replying to janeinthemindfield, 8, #675 of 1943 🔗

Because they can’t pass their mates backhanders if they just gave the NHS greater funding.

271892 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to janeinthemindfield, 5, #676 of 1943 🔗

Because it’s too sensible.

271902 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to janeinthemindfield, 6, #677 of 1943 🔗

It’s artificial. The NHS has now more capacity than before. Staff are being told to isolate or shield due to Covid, so it creates a scarcity of resources hence the NHS is then overwhelmed by demand.

271954 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to janeinthemindfield, 13, #678 of 1943 🔗

The NHS is not overwhelmed that’s just emotional blackmail. People have had enough of this shit NHS narrative. Good thing this is only a fakedemic if it were a real one we’d be f****d.

271982 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to janeinthemindfield, 1, #679 of 1943 🔗

The NHS in England might be ‘overwhelmed’ like these four hospitals in Belfast where, it seems, even A&E entrances are locked.

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLmZzu7s25s&feature=emb_logo

272024 ▶▶ Julian, replying to janeinthemindfield, 3, #680 of 1943 🔗

There will always be pressure on any health system that is free at the point of use. Arguably more slack should be built in to cover winter peaks, but that costs money which may be better spent on other things. Only a child thinks that you can have healthcare or life without tradeoffs.

If they are so convinced of their case, let them provide hard evidence that they will be more “overhwelmed” than last year – admissions, bed occupancy, ICU occupancy, cancelled operations. I have looked for this data and asked for it and found nothing useful – nothing meaningful. You need to look at demand closely. Beds will always be occupied, but you need to look at waiting time and also how many they are turning away and of the people being turned away, what is their condition.

There’s room for a sensible debate about healthcare provision, but it’s now just a political football, sacred cow and people just emote about it rather than thinking clearly. “I LOVE THE NHS”, “THANK YOU NHS”, etc. Why don’t we do that for Tesco, or the National Grid, or Amazon, or the railways or the local council binmen or anyone for that matter? It’s just a service provider – clearly providing a service that is close to our hearts because no-one likes to be ill, but the way people think about it has become utterly irrational.

272292 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to janeinthemindfield, 1, #681 of 1943 🔗

Coronaausschuss this week had a German doctor who works for a privately funded hospital in Thailand.
They do not have specialist wards, so all the nursing staff have to know about all common illness and how to best treat them. Doctors are on every ward all the time as their patients are everywhere, and they treat the whole person and illness, not just the symptoms.
He was also very scathing about hospitals not having enough space, like small corridors and shared rooms.
Of course I guess building a hospital there is cheaper than in Europe.

272336 ▶▶ Ben, replying to janeinthemindfield, 2, #682 of 1943 🔗

Dismayed people can’t see what’s going on. Cancelled medical treatment increases deaths and the misery caused from lockdown increases the liklihood of people surrendering and taking the vaccines and immunity passports – replicated all over the world

Think care home scandals and Liverpool Care Pathway etc

271863 RickH, 5, #683 of 1943 🔗

Neil Oliver talking absolute sense once again :

https://youtu.be/yhNoCKFDO8I

271867 calchas, replying to calchas, 38, #684 of 1943 🔗

Situation:

The year is 2030. I am only allowed out of my flat once a week. If I try to go out a second time, then my compulsory immovable bracelet sends a message to the local police patrol. All because I live in Tier 21.

Solution:

Write to my MP demanding to know why we are not in Tier 20.

271893 ▶▶ JMRPete, replying to calchas, 7, #685 of 1943 🔗

All this horror is clearly laid out in UN Agendas 21 and 30. It’s not conspiracy theory, it’s conspiracy. Your owners are increasing their control.

271909 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to calchas, 6, #686 of 1943 🔗

By that time your MP might look a bit like this.

271919 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to godowneasy, 3, #687 of 1943 🔗

That picture accurately depicts the inner state of the current typical MP.

271915 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to calchas, 8, #688 of 1943 🔗

UN Agenda 2030. Glad to see I’m not the only one who knows this.

271868 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 8, #689 of 1943 🔗
271874 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to JHuntz, 7, #690 of 1943 🔗

enemies of the people, but kneeling before BLM

271875 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHuntz, 4, #691 of 1943 🔗

The stupid sheeple have been penned in by the sheepdogs

271884 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #692 of 1943 🔗

Perhaps not, seems they are free again

271888 ▶▶ Sue, replying to JHuntz, 13, #693 of 1943 🔗

watching the live video – looks like a good turnout!!

271898 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sue, 3, #694 of 1943 🔗

yep

271924 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #695 of 1943 🔗

cops just arrested a guy
good how the crowd dont help him
most people just stand back and film it

271946 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 9, #696 of 1943 🔗

It seems like the cops are trying to instigate a fight back when they randomly arrest people. If the crowd does fight back they will be kettled.

271963 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sue, 5, #697 of 1943 🔗

All those lovely un-masked people. Wish I could be there.

271879 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 12, #698 of 1943 🔗

When this began, yea those many months ago, I predicted on Facebook – a site I once enjoyed, but from which I have since fled, such is the pitch of hysteria there – that zoos would close, their stock either moved or euthanised. Yesterday, I read that Bristol Zoo was folding.
It won’t be the last.

271886 ▶▶ calchas, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 8, #699 of 1943 🔗

We are being ushered into the cages now. The human zoo.

271913 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 2, #700 of 1943 🔗

Then they came for the Police

272754 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Dan Clarke, #701 of 1943 🔗

Of course. Once the non-violent dissidents are all safely ‘away’, the parasites won’t need and surely not will not want any groups of well armed, trained paramilitaries hanging around.

271901 ▶▶ annie, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 10, #702 of 1943 🔗

These evil bastards hate all forms of life, except Coronavirus.

271917 ▶▶ Martin_L, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 4, #703 of 1943 🔗

Except that isn’t the full story for Bristol Zoo
Its been losing money for years due to declining visitor numbers
Due to close in 2022 and re-locate to a larger site in South Gloucestershire, opening in 2024
I suspect Covid has hastened that decision but its been coming for a while

https://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/news/18904186.bristol-zoo-relocated-south-gloucestershire/

271921 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Martin_L, 3, #704 of 1943 🔗

Probably, yes. But, regardless, it feels like another few microns of that ‘thin end of the wedge’.

271926 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Martin_L, 4, #705 of 1943 🔗

As we stand now, because of furlough, the main businesses folding will be ones that were struggling anyway. Arcadia probably falls into that as well. But give it a few more months, and it will be everyone else too.

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

271934 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kenadams, 6, #706 of 1943 🔗

The first line begins: First they came for the communists,

And that is the case because the Nazis recognised that the communists constituted a serious and organised opposition.

271973 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #707 of 1943 🔗

I think our one starts with the airlines then travel agents now pubs.Whos next?

272050 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #708 of 1943 🔗

We had no organised opposition to the introduction of fascism, just isolated voices of dissent that were easy to ignore and smear and censor.

If the hundred MPs who now dissent had dissented back in March, the situation would have been completely different.

272323 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #709 of 1943 🔗

More aptly, the Nazis recognised that the communists were their closest real rivals, competing for the radicalised masses they were seeking to mobilise.

272520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mark, -1, #710 of 1943 🔗

Yes to the above, but the biggest reason was that the communists had to be removed because they were the closest-but-not-exactly-the-same as the Nazi Party. Never forget, and never allow any extreme socialist or communist to deflect you from the fact that the Nazis’ full title was National Socialist German Workers Party.

I have lost count of the extreme socialist dross who twist furiously like a hanged partisan in the wind, attempting to differentiate between the two. They had slight differences of method whereby the state was to be financed. That is all.

As a small aside, if you have a Lonsdale boxing sweatshirt and don’t want it any more, there are loads of Germans who love wearing them and who will pay a premium for the same. The Germans wear them under a partially-open flying jacket, with just the letters NSDA showing…

271941 ▶▶▶▶ Martin_L, replying to kenadams, 1, #711 of 1943 🔗

I don’t disagree, but I think its also important that we don’t fall into reporting fake news. There’s more than enough of that from the zealots

271970 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to kenadams, -1, #712 of 1943 🔗

We could do without the top two, they epitomise the sentiment of your post. I’d draw a line at the Jews though, they actually contribute hugely to the world. The rest are just pimples on it’s arse.

271928 ▶▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to Martin_L, #713 of 1943 🔗

I expect the site in Clifton is worth silly amounts of money now.

271953 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 2, #714 of 1943 🔗

On the plus side, Bristol zoo is actually moving to a new site out of town. Whether that will house the animals or us is a different matter

272107 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 3, #715 of 1943 🔗

Dublin Zoo has been bailed out. Personally, I’d prefer to see it closed – zoos are an outdated anachronism, back to the days before people could travel the world and see animals in real life. Oh wait.

271880 calchas, 13, #716 of 1943 🔗

The logical endpoint of current developments is to turn the world into a human zoo.

Sure, we get regular food, we get our vaccinations and Netflix is permanently on in a corner of the cage.

Gut we are kept rigorously apart, we can only eat what we are given, and all freedom is removed.

Perfectly ‘safe’ and perfectly controlled.

271881 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 12, #717 of 1943 🔗

Why did we support these businesses in the first place, only now to throw them under a bus?

That’s a hard one.

For the undiscerning reader, this comment is an example of irony. I don’t think its actually hard to understand that planned policies have anticipated outcomes. “Why-oh-why” doesn’t cut it any more.

Try this for a hypothesis:- the closure of all SMBs is not only anticipated; it is a desired objective of Government policy. Supporting the small businesses in the first place actually makes it easier to trash them now. Can anyone honestly think this is happening by accident?

I’d love to hear a hypothesis that fits the facts better than mine does. If I don’t I’ll have to think about calling it a theory.

AG

271891 ▶▶ JMRPete, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #718 of 1943 🔗

Yes, this is clearly all planned. It’s too stupid to be stupid!

272046 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JMRPete, 4, #719 of 1943 🔗

Its a hijack, just like MH 370, except in this case there are not a hundred or so victims there are countless millions. Of course in the 370 case the motive was clearly just suicide, in this case we are going to ‘build back better’ although it doesn’t say better for whom of course, Carrie and Greta perhaps but not the rest of us. The captain has hijacked the country and locked himself in the flight deck (or No 10 in this case) and wont come out until we run out of fuel – quite literally. The passengers continue to sleep behind their masks until the bitter end.

272060 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Old Bill, 1, #720 of 1943 🔗

Brilliant

271911 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #721 of 1943 🔗

The early support was a measure to buy off any opposition.Furlough has the same purpose.The Government has placed itself in the position of the arbiter of what businesses survive.Mark Carney said this would happen a few years ago.

271896 annie, replying to annie, 19, #722 of 1943 🔗

Yesterday, Wales Online had a headline about people refusing to wear masks on trains. When I tried to find it a few minutes later, it had vanished.
But I’m sure I saw it.
Three cheers for those people, and may their numbers grow exponentially.

271925 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to annie, 7, #723 of 1943 🔗

I walked at the local NT property yesterday (getting my money’s worth before the membership runs out in January) and there wasn’t a single muzzle to be seen, except in the loo block, just one.
Still seeing a fair few young people striding through town muzzled up to the eyeballs though.

271899 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 26, #724 of 1943 🔗

Just strolling down the Eustonroad towards kings cross.
Imagine my surprise to see around 15 police transits, meat wagons and TSG units speeding away
I wonder what they finally realised ?

Big crowd around marble arch, for some reason.

Freedom.

271978 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bill h, 7, #725 of 1943 🔗

I thought as much. Felt all along that they would say one area to distract the Police. Protestors 1.Police 0.

271904 helen, #726 of 1943 🔗

New web site:

Stiftung Corona Ausschuss

2020News

In English

https://2020news.de/en/home-english/

271930 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, -1, #727 of 1943 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/28/swedish-government-sidelines-epidemiologist-steered-countrys/ paywalled but includes “The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control expects Sweden to next month surpass the peak death rates it suffered in April, with between 100 and 140 people projected to die of the virus each day. “. I don’t think Carrie has been around lately but if she is, I’d be grateful for her comments.

271935 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to arfurmo, 9, #728 of 1943 🔗

It won’t be of the virus. It will be based on hugely inaccurate PCR testing. Or, as I prefer to call it ‘lies and fraud’.

271943 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to arfurmo, 1, #729 of 1943 🔗

So what? What’s the drama?

271968 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #730 of 1943 🔗

The drama is that the article is saying that Anders Tegnell is to be sidelined -something that MSM would love.

272005 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to arfurmo, #731 of 1943 🔗

How on earth do they arrive at that figure .
According to Worldometer , the deaths / day in this clearly defined 2nd wave , for the last 7 days are : 48,17,27,21, 10, 3,16.
The 7 day average shows a clear trend downward from the peak daily figure of 48 on Nov18.
The cases curve is also trending down.
Can we no longer trust Worldometer , or has the pandemic of lies , deceit and false attribution now engulfed Sweden?
The deaths/cases figure for the 2nd wave in Sweden is 0.005, so for a death rate of 100 to 140 there woud have to be 20000 to 30000 cases /day . The maximum in Nov was 7800 and is now dropping.
The maximum death daily rate for the 1st wave was about 100. 2nd wave death rates for N Hemisphere countries (those that had the initial infection at the end of Winter ) are between 3 and 20 times lower than 1st wave so I would expect a maximum at this present time of 5 to 30., certainly not 100 to 140.

272014 ▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 1, #733 of 1943 🔗

“Expects”. Always projections with these bastards, which never come true, and are replaced by more projections.

And yes, we need Carrie. Don’t trust anything in the MSM about Sweden.

272437 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to arfurmo, #734 of 1943 🔗

An article not behind a paywall.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4456

271931 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 12, #735 of 1943 🔗

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-i-can-no-longer-police-the-coronavirus-restrictions

Interesting article.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-54891943

And , from the article linked above, this awful story: one more frightened woman now afraid to leave her home.

How much more damage will we have to endure before the criminals in charge take the rap?

271933 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to wendyk, #736 of 1943 🔗

It’s all relative.

So is that saying Lockdown countries shall be spared somehow?

271974 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to wendyk, 1, #737 of 1943 🔗

A recent epidemiological study, currently available on the medRxiv * preprint server, demonstrates that all-cause mortality was mostly unchanged during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic compared to the previous four years in Norway and Sweden – two countries which took very different routes in their battle against this disease.

Study compares deaths in Sweden and Norway before and after COVID pandemic (news-medical.net)

272021 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #738 of 1943 🔗

That’s more like it

272003 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to wendyk, #739 of 1943 🔗

Replied to the wrong comment! doh!

272019 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #740 of 1943 🔗

I did wonder!

271932 Old Mum, replying to Old Mum, 2, #741 of 1943 🔗
271936 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Old Mum, 3, #742 of 1943 🔗

I was taught how to give my diabetic cat his injections.

271938 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #743 of 1943 🔗

Don’t gve him this next one. He’ll change into a vampire.

271944 ▶▶▶ Old Mum, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #744 of 1943 🔗

Yes, I too gave my diabetic mum her insulin but this is not quite the same thing being proposed!

272052 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Old Mum, #745 of 1943 🔗

I know, don’t agree with this AT ALL

271939 Jay Berger, 13, #746 of 1943 🔗

Overall GDP might be down 11% for 2020.
But if you borrow an extra 15% of GDP and stick that completely into private sector consumption, this means that the GDP comparable to prior years is really down 26%.
And as the public sector makes up 35% of GDP, this means that the private sector GDP has shrunk by 20% without accounting for the cushioning gov debt increase, and a whopping 35% incorporating it!

And obviously, some industries and businesses within it are down 50-100%, whilst others can manage better or prosper.

This is the REAL extent of the domestic economic damage of the disastrous and even medically harmful lockdowns and Covid responses by governments.
And the real extent of the repair job needed.
Without incorporating for the upcoming gov debt increases.

271951 Danny, replying to Danny, 14, #747 of 1943 🔗

Going on the premise that most “leaks” are deliberate and that the agendas of the mainstream news is usually pushing a narrative endorsed by somebody with an agenda, I see that Gove is making another play for the top job and is extremely worried about Sunak.
So the DM has Gove’s rallying cry to the party, more of a misguided threat really, and the same paper carries an expose of Sunak being “richer than the queen”.
All seems rather Hitler in the bunker now for Boris.

271956 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Danny, 6, #748 of 1943 🔗

I wish someone would pass the cyanide.

271961 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Danny, 8, #749 of 1943 🔗

Twas Covid

and the slimy Gove

did gyre and gimble in the wabe

All mimsy was the Daily Mail

But they all want you to wear a fucking mask and anti-socially distance.

271967 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Danny, 8, #750 of 1943 🔗

I’m even more disappointed in Gove than I am in Boris. He’s the most intelligent of the lot (not difficult) but being wetter than the one drowning the country isn’t a good platform. Another that hasn’t a clue about things scientific.

271969 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Danny, 5, #751 of 1943 🔗

I think it is completely irrelevant to us plebs who the PM is.

Does anyone seriously think we would be any freer?

272012 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Danny, 4, #752 of 1943 🔗

Fuck them all

272346 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Danny, 1, #753 of 1943 🔗

I think of all the editions of BBC Questiontime and how the panel of politicians unanimously voiced approval for anything which might boost the economy. Now they’re destroying it, and doing a great job of it. Mass unemployment and poverty to keep us safe

271957 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 27, #754 of 1943 🔗

Gotta love the fact that protestors are now having to march round the city to avoid being arrested, which in my opinion is far more effective than standing around in Trafalgar square. How stupid is the police’s response to protesting.

271964 ▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 7, #755 of 1943 🔗

Bureaucratic inflexibility..

A policeman is a machine controlled by the politicians who wrote his algorithms.

No lateral thinking

271986 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to JHuntz, 15, #756 of 1943 🔗

I was on the last March. You should have seen the ‘Bronze Commander’ near me go spare when he realised the march had split and one lot were headed for Buck House. He was about 5’5” in every direction and was like an enraged jelly.

272002 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #757 of 1943 🔗

Well the new normals wanted to redefine society. they’ve already redefined protesting. Well done Klaus!

271962 BeBopRockSteady, 1, #758 of 1943 🔗

Deleted

271965 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #759 of 1943 🔗

Believing you can build back better. Believing The Great Reset is desirable and can be enacted. It requires the leader of a nation to be a meglomaniac right? Davos/WEF needed a number of meglomaniacs to be in position for this plan to be possible? And one by one meglomaniacs were at the helm. Ready.

272084 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to chaos, 4, #760 of 1943 🔗

The new normal:

Tier 2: megalomaniac run medical Marshall law. High consumption. High surveillance. Smart phones

Tier 1: Locally co-ordinated with limited governance, local currency, community barter and care. Make, grow and buy what you need. No surveillance. Nokia brick phones.

Does this sound realistic?

272730 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Country Mumkin, #761 of 1943 🔗

Might be the only way!

272114 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to chaos, 4, #762 of 1943 🔗

You’re probably already aware of Patrick Wood but if not (I wasn’t btw), worth listening to James Delingpole’s podcast. He interview him and reveals lost about trilateral agreement and how this has been attempted before and been in the making for years. This was all new to me, and very eye-opening.

272115 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, #763 of 1943 🔗

Sorry typos

272235 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #764 of 1943 🔗

It was an excellent interview!

272326 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 2, #765 of 1943 🔗

It’s already started. The Great Destruct phase. The police have no idea they’re working for the World Economic Forum

271972 RickH, replying to RickH, 26, #766 of 1943 🔗

I was never keen when the kids (as irascible teenagers) used to refer to ‘The Filth’ and ‘The Pigs’ who used to harass them.

… but watching the live feed today, I’m getting in sympathy with those epithets as gangs of paid hooligans set about innocuous citizens.

272010 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to RickH, 9, #767 of 1943 🔗

Those cunts are going to get some stick soon

272057 ▶▶ Sue, replying to RickH, 10, #768 of 1943 🔗

i agree – i’m watching and frankly appalled at the police tactics. they are snatching individuals to arrest and being overly forceful. There must be 100s of police there for a peaceful protest. I find it disturbing to say the least that the government feel necessary to exhibit such string armed force.
RIP UK

272297 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Sue, 5, #769 of 1943 🔗

And the hypocritical mainstream media that clutches its pearls over human rights issues in Hong Kong turns a blind eye when it’s closer to home

271975 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, #770 of 1943 🔗
271992 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #772 of 1943 🔗

This is great to see!

Needed to hear those chants of Freedom!

272000 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #773 of 1943 🔗

Great to see so many young people there.

272001 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 2, #774 of 1943 🔗

Yeah parents with their kids is so inspiring

271994 ▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #776 of 1943 🔗

Right from the beginning it was made clear to us, that in health terms, a vaccine was the only acceptable end goal.

France made HCQ ‘prescription only’ on 13th January 2020, before which it had been available over the counter for more than 60 years.

Why?????

271999 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 8, #777 of 1943 🔗

It was earmarked as a treatment almost straight away. Switzerland withdrew it too, then reintroduced it.

Was it the anti-Trump move given he had supported its use?

272006 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #778 of 1943 🔗

No -13th January 2020.

Implying that someone in power in France knew that very soon HCQ would become interesting.

Wuhan locked down 23rd January.

Right into February you were a conspiracy theorist in the West if you thought that a serious disease wason its way from China.

272030 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #779 of 1943 🔗

But…but…but…HcQ is ineffective. Twitter and Facebook said so.

272035 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #780 of 1943 🔗

It’s only controversial because Trump recommended it as a treatment.
If he’d rubbished it, they’d all be falling over themselves to recommend it.

272212 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Lms23, 3, #781 of 1943 🔗

Yep. I’m sure (someone correct me if memory fails me,) that within a short time of Trump being linked to it, Dr Hillary Jones went on a mini rant about HcQ & that it would be responsible for ‘killing people’. Hmmmmmm!

271981 calchas, 1, #783 of 1943 🔗

The spirit that will win for us:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oehry1JC9Rk

From Martin Luther King

271988 Ben, replying to Ben, 36, #784 of 1943 🔗

Lockdowns; restrictions; face masks (especially for children); coercion/threats to take potentially harmful, rushed and indemnified vaccines; social distancing; incitement to shame non-mask wearers; psychological terror (SAGE); controlled demolition of the economy; wilful stoking of poverty; denying bodily autonomy; shaming/blaming/opportioning responsibility for other people’s health; denying protest; denying freedom of speech; falsifying health data; telling blatant untruths that harm society; falsifying death certificates; fuelling suicide – are all crimes against humanity and those who participate are guilty of crimes against humanity

The current anxiety/depression/suicide epidemic is an appropriate response to barbarity

‘It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society’- Krishnamurti

271998 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 6, #785 of 1943 🔗

I could swear the manifesto didn’t have any of that in it?

272004 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 5, #786 of 1943 🔗

Like the Krishnamurti quote. Wonder what he would have thought of this nonsense.

272048 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 1, #787 of 1943 🔗

His talks with David Bohm are something else. So easy to get trapped in the rabbit hole of your own mind, believing that the map is the territory

272556 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, #788 of 1943 🔗

From the Krishnamurti talks I’ve heard, he had a very low tolerance of cant, and received opinion, plus a dislike of the modern fear of mortality, so I think he’d be something of a sceptic.

272062 ▶▶ mari, replying to Ben, 4, #789 of 1943 🔗

Great post. If its ok with you, can I use it (with adjustments) to contact my useless MP and councillors?

271996 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #790 of 1943 🔗

An analogy:

Lockdownistas are like Tom Cruise in the film Born on the 4th of July. Right after he’s had his dick blown off and paralyzed in ‘Nam. Desperately believing that if they try hard enough in the gym, work harder at rehab, they will walk again.

The fall – literal and metaphorical – is coming and when it does, it is going to come hard. Pfeffel and Hancock are the Mexican brasses straddling Ron Kovic faking orgasms while he sobs away.

Okay – I accept halfway through typing this out that it doesn’t really work as an analogy. But you’ve all got the mental image now and that’s what matters.

272027 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #791 of 1943 🔗

Unfortunately, I’m having difficulty scrubbing that mental image of Boris and Hancock from my brain…

272049 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #792 of 1943 🔗

Any analogy that features Johnson and Hancock as whores works for me.

272154 ▶▶ TT, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #793 of 1943 🔗

Then again, if the vaccine effectively ends up causing erectile dysfunction, the analogy might be spot on …

272008 David McCluskey, replying to David McCluskey, 3, #794 of 1943 🔗

The answer to the riddle of why the government is impervious to facts is that Cd-19 has now become cover for a government policy to manage down the wintertime risk of a collapse of the darling of the people, the ‘wonderful NHS’. The discredited (for mass-testing purposes) PCR test is the mechanism that allows them to relabel as Covid-19 the usual – but increasing every year because of upward trends in the UK population of age and infirmity – winter surge in respiratory illnesses and deaths. Flu, pneumonia cases, etc would never have been sufficient justification for lockdowns, but by claiming it’s Covid-19, the government has so terrorised the masses that they are clamouring for their freedom to be removed. I don’t believe the government had this strategy in mind last March – governments are not that bright – but having seen how amenable the public are to shutting down normal life, they spotted a wonderful opportunity to avoid their greatest fear: the NHS collapsing on their watch. This serendipitous turn of events is working perfectly; I bet they can’t believe their luck. Governments never have and don’t do saving lives; governments have a single aim: to hang on to power at all costs. The increasing probability each winter of the NHS collapsing on their watch had become unacceptably high so severely restricting access to the NHS is a great solution.

272032 ▶▶ calchas, replying to David McCluskey, 7, #795 of 1943 🔗

…and what is the reason in the 180 other countries implementing the same policies – with minor variations?

272038 ▶▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to calchas, #796 of 1943 🔗

Governments never have and don’t do saving lives; governments have a single aim: to hang on to power at all costs.”

272053 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to David McCluskey, 4, #797 of 1943 🔗

So, why is President John Magafuli of Tanzania still in power then?

There has been no revolution demanding that he implement masks and anti-social distancing.

If the government has so much support behind it, then why the unprecedented censorship and heavy-handed policing?

272043 ▶▶ Mark, replying to David McCluskey, 3, #798 of 1943 🔗

“NHS collapsing” in reality, in sensible, unmanipulative, honest language = “NHS being busy for a while”.

Just more histrionics of exactly the kind that landed us where we are now, in this coronapanic.

272155 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mark, 3, #799 of 1943 🔗

It is not so much that the NHS is overwhelmed, the Government is terrified that the public will think it is overwhelmed and if the NHS is good at something? it is putting out sentimental sob stories about distraught staff and dire hospital situations. The Government should be running the NHS but it seems more like the tail is wagging the dog and the NHS is calling all the shots and the Government just kowtows to them.

272179 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #800 of 1943 🔗

Yes, that’s absolutely correct. What the op was suggesting though was that the NHS comes close to “collapsing” every year, presumably (though he does not explain it) due to not having as much spent on it as he would like: “ The increasing probability each winter of the NHS collapsing on their watch had become unacceptably high

272009 felicityby, replying to felicityby, #801 of 1943 🔗

Just go this from HMRC…

272162 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to felicityby, 3, #802 of 1943 🔗

I’m a taxpayer. Keep the money. The amount of police overtime I saw in London today I’d rather you have it than the rozzers.

272427 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to felicityby, #803 of 1943 🔗

So completely incompetence all round then.

272015 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #805 of 1943 🔗

Loads of arrests on the Ruptly feed

272026 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #806 of 1943 🔗

The fat tosspots were just laughing on the stream there whilst they were arbitrarily terrorising the public that walks past.

272029 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JHuntz, 4, #807 of 1943 🔗

Yeah, saw that one. Arms out ‘come on then’

272042 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 4, #808 of 1943 🔗

Basically they are just another gang.

272051 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to calchas, 4, #809 of 1943 🔗

One lad just made a decent getaway 🙂

272064 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #810 of 1943 🔗

seen it. Good man!

272075 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JHuntz, 4, #811 of 1943 🔗

So many arrests scattered all over the place and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone take a step wrong.

272081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #812 of 1943 🔗

Arrested for the ‘crime’ of walking outside.

272016 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #813 of 1943 🔗

Flashback to February.

Italian government put out an ad – ‘Hug a Chinese tourist’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRmur4uf57o

272206 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to calchas, 2, #814 of 1943 🔗

Yep. remember this. Around the time I saw posts on social media that statements had been made in Italy along the lines of – Well, we’re sorry people are dying of this virus, but take comfort in the fact that they were so tolerant & diverse…

272020 calchas, 7, #815 of 1943 🔗

Flashback to end of January

Program on German public TV mocks those who talk about a dangerous disease coming from China as ‘Conspiracy theorists’

Video in German

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnR2_1r9Trk

272022 Paul, replying to Paul, 41, #816 of 1943 🔗

I’m watching a live feed from London and the behaviour of the Police is beyond disgraceful,the way they are assaulting people and the way they are talking to members of the public is shocking.It’s like Poland in the early 1980s as Solidarity gained momentum.
I have supported the Police my whole life but after this year,never again.I had two Great Grandfathers who were Policemen,at time when it was actually a ‘Police service’ not the ‘Police force’ we have now,one of them was in the Met,they must be turning in their graves now if they can see the thugs masquerading as officers of the law.

272033 ▶▶ rose, replying to Paul, 1, #817 of 1943 🔗

Can you post a link please?

272023 Sir Patrick No Balance, replying to Sir Patrick No Balance, #819 of 1943 🔗

Does anyone have a list of the ~70 MPs in the CRG? I can’t seem to find a definitive list anywhere. I want to reply to my MP’s patronising response to my initial letter and I’d be really interested to see which of his ‘colleagues’ agree with me rather than him. Or better yet, if he’s done a U-turn himself, as seems to be the MO of this government…

272542 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Sir Patrick No Balance, #820 of 1943 🔗

I looked the other day and couldn’t find any definitive list. Don’t think there is one.

272031 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 12, #821 of 1943 🔗

Lots of whack a mole stuff going on. Arrests seem fairly random.
A LOT more people not arrested. Must be running out of space in the meatwaggons and cells…

272039 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Bill h, 6, #822 of 1943 🔗

On a side note:

Just remember that all this police overtime is adding to GNP.

Helping us all get richer.

Gross National Product -more faked numbers.

272037 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 26, #823 of 1943 🔗

The Met Police are filth. Didn’t act like this with BLM did they ? Kneeled into submission.

272289 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Leemc23, 3, #824 of 1943 🔗

They behaved exactly like this with the anti-BLM protesters and military veterans. At the Cenotaph, some of the police were deliberately taunting the Vets, saying things like “don’t know why you’re protecting this, it’s going to be taken down soon anyway.”

272040 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 38, #825 of 1943 🔗

Will never ever forgive Parliament for turning the police on decent members of the public. Why some the right to protest and not others. Our politicians will never be forgiven for this.

272058 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #826 of 1943 🔗

Where are the likes of Charles Walker supporting freedoms now?

They should attend one of these with the sole intention of being arrested if they really want to use their platform to drive home the strength of their convictions

272063 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #827 of 1943 🔗

Agreed! Where’s the big street-wide banner with the ‘freedom loving’ politicians and famous people making sure they are front and centre?

Oops! It’s not BLM, my bad. 🙁

272070 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ceriain, 6, #828 of 1943 🔗

Yes, where are the famous people? Cancel culture in full swing. They will be brandished granny killers…

272066 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #829 of 1943 🔗

That’s what I have been thinking too,he could have tried to help the woman last week and got arrested and that would have made a bigger statement than mouthing off in parliament,they don’t give a shit in there.It’s all just part of the pantomime.

272106 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Paul, 5, #830 of 1943 🔗

I disagree. If there were more like Charles Walker we’d be on our way out of this.

272484 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Paul, 1, #831 of 1943 🔗

He can’t get physical, his job is to bring this abuse up in parliament, which he duly did to about 6 of our ‘representatives’

272041 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 33, #832 of 1943 🔗

I’ll never trust the cops again. Their behaviour at these protests is a disgrace.

Bastards are goading the protesters.

At some point these fuckers will have to choose their side.

272056 ▶▶ Peter, replying to Ceriain, 26, #833 of 1943 🔗

I have long been convinced that in situations like this the police are deliberately told by their superiors to goad crowds and get a physical reaction out of them. The threat to officers coming to any harm is virtually zero (remind you of anything else…), especially as they now hunt in packs, but can justify arrests for “assaulting a police officer”, uptick on their arrest record and paints the public as the bad guy when it is the police at fault.

They are a stain on this country, cowards with no integrity who hide behind their masks and incorrect interpretations of these inhumane laws being forced on us.

272078 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Peter, 4, #834 of 1943 🔗

No different in the 60’s in the anti Vietnam war protests.

272069 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ceriain, 10, #835 of 1943 🔗

Protesters learning what football fans have known since time immemorial.

272099 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #836 of 1943 🔗

Damn right

272074 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ceriain, 5, #837 of 1943 🔗

Never have trusted em!

272101 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 7, #838 of 1943 🔗

If the crowd stayed silent, complete silence and stand like statues at an agreed time the goons wouldn’t know what to do, are they going to smash the heads of people standing still and not shouting? Turn the tables on them, complete silence is very eerie.

272109 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to stefarm, 4, #839 of 1943 🔗

A silent protest with slogans such as ‘We are muzzled, we have no voice’ could be very effective.

272125 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sarigan, 2, #840 of 1943 🔗

And mirrors to reflect the sight of the goons back to them. Reflect the rage and hate, they might wake up to what they are doing to their fellow man.

272435 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, #841 of 1943 🔗

They have chosen and it’s the wrong one.
They will pay.

272044 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 31, #842 of 1943 🔗

I spoke to one of my cousins today. Her daughter has gone on today’s protest March. Good for her.

My cousin has a half-sister living in Malta. Malta is a small island where ever knows everyone else.
No one knows of anyone who’s died from CV19 in Malta, or anyone who’s had it.
Masks are nevertheless mandatory at all times when leaving the home, even taking out the rubbish. Children as young as three are required to wear masks.
The Maltese government are corrupt, pro-EU, anti-British socialists…

272061 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lms23, 7, #843 of 1943 🔗

Offshore Banking paradise.

272045 DRW, 4, #844 of 1943 🔗

Came across this in an article for university work. Makes for depressing reading:

Morbidity and mortality rates from SARS were, “by epidemiological standards, modest.” Yet SARS triggered a worldwide panic, reducing growth rates across Asia by 1–4 percentage points. Parents kept their children home from school in Toronto, and Chinese restaurants in the United States were the targets of boycotts. Faced with Knightian uncertainty, people conflated the possibility of catastrophe with catastrophe itself.

Let’s hope that eventually, in the not too distant future, this too is recognised as a similar panic on steroids.

272047 Dan Clarke, 5, #845 of 1943 🔗

My cousin has been training new recruits for months, wondered why, now we know

272065 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #846 of 1943 🔗

Just emailed my Tory mp appealing to him to join the CRG and rebel against the government in next week’s vote.
Got the usual automated reply acknowledging my email, absolutely full of the usual claptrap; “self isolate/ social distance/ wash your hands, blah,blah, blah,blah, etc, so I don’t think that the right honourable member for Ludlow is going to to rock his particular boat anytime soon; well, not for the next 4 years anyway.

272077 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #847 of 1943 🔗

Mine gave the same over CVA renewal.

272279 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #848 of 1943 🔗

Automated reply?
More than I’ve had from my MP…

272827 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #849 of 1943 🔗

That Ludlow MP is a useless twat.

272067 Bruce Reynolds, 13, #850 of 1943 🔗

It really is a Pity we don’t have the second amendment the boys in blue would not be so keen to abuse law abiding citizens..

272068 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 13, #851 of 1943 🔗

I’m assuming we can expect Priti Useless to make a few tweets today, and then on Monday, a statement in the house telling of the disgaceful far right extremists attacking innocent peace loving police just going about their duty.

That little shit Sad Dick Khunt will no doubt do the same.

272831 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ceriain, 1, #852 of 1943 🔗

Pritti Patel has turned into nasty little authoritarian…..thats the real bullying!

272073 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 7, #854 of 1943 🔗

The French are going for it well played
https://youtu.be/GjxxC9nrjB8

272080 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #855 of 1943 🔗

What!, that Global security bill !!

272082 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to tonyspurs, 9, #856 of 1943 🔗

And there (about an hour in) is the huge banner I discussed in an earlier post.

And look at the numbers! The German and Polish protests are the same, and the one in Nantes last night.

Why can’t we get these numbers? During the student fees protests, there were hundreds of thousands on the streets of London. I can only hope that we are just running a lit bit behind and that more people will open their eyes soon.

272087 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ceriain, 8, #857 of 1943 🔗

That will happen.

By April or May it will be sinking in that, vaccine or no vaccine, there willbe no end to this, if we do not bring an end to it.

Combine that with warming up weather and financial storm clouds.

I am expecting a hot summer in 2021.

272076 calchas, 6, #858 of 1943 🔗

“More Japanese people died by suicide in October alone than have died from COVID-19 throughout the entire pandemic.
In 2019, Japan saw its lowest suicide rate ever recorded during the 40 years it has kept track.

Then suddenly in July 2020, the suicide rate began to skyrocket again. Gee I wonder why.
October 2020 saw a 39% spike in suicides compared to October 2019.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-suicide-coronavirus-more-japanese-suicides-in-october-than-total-covid-deaths/

272079 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #859 of 1943 🔗

Insanity: Doctors now warning that the coming COVID-1984 vaccine will ‘put you down’ the side effects are so bad, but insist you take it twice anyway
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-27-doctors-warning-covid-vaccine-put-you-down.html

272401 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Victoria, #860 of 1943 🔗

A Freudian slip if ever there was one!

272083 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 15, #861 of 1943 🔗

Reports of police Scotland out at edinburgh/midlothian ‘border’ dishing out ‘fines’ to people trying to enter/leave City of Edinburgh Council area. Am I right in saying the police have no power to ‘fine’? These are fixed penalty notices,and my aquaintences have the right not to pay but to state their cases in court? People are thinking the polis have the right to decide innocence or guilt.. That’s a police state, no?

272097 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Maccynic, 4, #862 of 1943 🔗

It’s a sturgeon communist state!

272098 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Maccynic, 8, #863 of 1943 🔗

My understanding is that a FPN is basically a threat to prosecute, with an offer not to if you effectively waive your right to contest it and pay up. My view is that if I get a coronapanic related FPN I will simply refuse to pay it and see if they want to take it to court. Most likely all of them will have to be dropped in the end, especially as they seem to have dropped their initial reticence and are now handing them out in droves.

272118 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Mark, 9, #864 of 1943 🔗

Frame it and hang it proudly on the wall to remind us always of the crimes against humanity our Government have committed.

272127 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 5, #865 of 1943 🔗

Yes, I’m starting to think it might be necessary to get one as a badge of honour for the future.

272489 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 3, #866 of 1943 🔗

As I understand it, you are right, and should refuse an FPN, stating that you will only accept a court summons. Apparently it’s a lot more work for the police to issue a summons so often they don’t bother.

272570 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cranmer, 2, #867 of 1943 🔗

I’ve seen mixed messages on whether the appropriate response is to refuse to accept an FPN, or to take it and then contest it. Iirc from those I’ve had for speeding, the FPN has a section for “I deny the offence”.

I suspect refusing to accept the FPN would be the “high risk high return” option – you’re gambling they won’t arrest you and charge you because, as you say, they can’t be bothered with the paperwork. But if they are under orders to make some examples, that might backfire.

272969 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, #868 of 1943 🔗

From ‘Ask the Police.com’:

There are two ways of failing to pay a fine on a fixed penalty notice:

  1. You reject the fixed penalty notice from the start. You will receive a summons to go to court. You can either then plead guilty by letter or elect to go to court. If found guilty at court you may be given a slightly larger fine and you will have to pay the court costs (approximately £40).
  2. If you accept the penalty notice but then fail to pay within 28 days, the fine is registered with the court and is automatically increased by 50%. It is then for the court to enforce the fine and they do have the option of issuing a warrant for your arrest if you fail to respond.

For a ‘slightly larger fine’ and £40 costs I’d be willing to refuse to pay, if only to snarl up the justice system.

One of the reasons, according to Charles Mackay, that the Witch Mania ended was because the legal system was so backlogged with witch trials that the magistrates got fed up and refused to hear the cases.

272853 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Maccynic, #869 of 1943 🔗

Sturgeon hates Scots

272085 Mark, replying to Mark, 31, #870 of 1943 🔗

Tiers will cost UK £900m a DAY: Economists warn tougher rules will put a 12% dent in GDP as 100 Tory MPs prepare to rebel despite Michael Gove plea to ‘stop shirking their responsibility’ comment image
The Centre for Economic and Business Research forecasts that the Tiering system will cut England’s GDP by 13 per cent compared to last December – around £20billion over the course of the month. The prestigious think-tank, which estimated in April that the first shutdown would cost £2.4billion a day, based its forecast on the fact that 31 per cent of England’s economy will be placed in Tier 3. Fears of economic ruin were heightened after Chancellor Rishi Sunak’s stark revelation in last week’s Spending Review that Britain has entered the gravest recession in 300 years – with GDP down by 11 per cent this year, 2.6 million people on the dole next year, and the national debt to rise to £2.8trillion by 2025. To quell rising Tory anger in the Commons next week, Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove today warned MPs that failing to back the Tiering regime will cause every hospital in England to be ‘overrun’ with Covid-19 cases.

Anyone who might ever be tempted to take Gove seriously again, as a politician or as a human being, should have that image of him striding along looking like an utter panicking dickhead in a tartan face nappy.

Sums the twat up pretty accurately!

272088 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Mark, 17, #871 of 1943 🔗

I despise Gove,slimy little twat.

272488 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Paul, #872 of 1943 🔗

And his Missis, Sarah Vain ain’t much better.

272675 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, #873 of 1943 🔗

Penfold

272089 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, 1, #874 of 1943 🔗

Shocking. But still these politicians insist that it is the way forward.

272092 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 23, #875 of 1943 🔗

‘Stop shirking your responsibility’: Michael Gove warns 100 potential Tory lockdown rebels to put the country’s interests first as it emerges almost the entire nation is to be banned from socialising indoors until APRIL comment image
Gove urged MPs to ‘take responsibility for difficult decisions’ to curb the spread of Covid-19, amid anger from some Tories that much of England will face stringent restrictions.

More catastrophic bullshit from one of the biggest twats in the government (no mean feat).

Never forget. Never forgive.

272094 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Mark, 11, #876 of 1943 🔗

I do hope that the CRG do not shirk their responsibilities and that they vote against this latest measure.
The ‘difficult decision’ is to get rid of this evil and satanic government.

272123 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Stephanos, 3, #877 of 1943 🔗

And being bought off with pathetic concessions doesn’t count.

272149 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to DRW, 1, #878 of 1943 🔗

Perhaps they could view the protests and police behaviour before they vote?

272103 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark, 7, #879 of 1943 🔗

Is the little shit personally going to pay my rent if I lose my job…. thought not…

272121 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stefarm, 4, #880 of 1943 🔗

When Gove pontificates – take the opposite view.

You know it makes sense.

272134 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to RickH, 9, #881 of 1943 🔗

Henceforth known as Michael Govid.

272151 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #882 of 1943 🔗

Ha!

272285 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, 3, #883 of 1943 🔗

Economic ruin is the point. We’re witnessing controlled demolition for the Great Reset

272298 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Mark, 7, #884 of 1943 🔗

Remember Gove boo-hooing about how the EU made his father’s fishing business bankrupt? Well they are amateurs compared to this unflushable turd, who even has the gall to consider himself virtuous while he pushes millions into penury. No words to describe this slimeball.

272086 Victoria, 2, #885 of 1943 🔗
272090 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #886 of 1943 🔗

I see that the MSM are labeling our comrades in London as “anti vaxers”.
Remember the excuse by one Parliamentarian?: “he/they didn’t tell lies, they just didn’t tell all the truth”

272108 ▶▶ sam, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #887 of 1943 🔗

i dont mind be called an antivaxxer ;] but very annoying how they MSM lie,no way will i get that vaccine . havent had a vaccine since was 5 . MSM all lies stopped watching much happier here . adn wahtincg live stream protests . good work everyone thank you all. plus tour of beautiful historic london.thank you all and here too

272124 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to sam, 1, #888 of 1943 🔗

actually i would be annoyed at being called an anti vaxxer sorry philip.

272142 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to sam, 1, #889 of 1943 🔗

No, Sam, we are a broad church/ popular front.

272143 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #890 of 1943 🔗

the best thank you philip

272253 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to sam, 1, #891 of 1943 🔗

THANK YOU, Sam.

272265 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Fingerache Philip., #892 of 1943 🔗

i realize some written things sound angry when written but i dont mean them to sound angry at all is taking away a spoken thing is so hard to tell[ for me anyway ] sort of like with mask s

272144 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to sam, 1, #893 of 1943 🔗

So would I, Sam.

272091 Victoria, 2, #894 of 1943 🔗

Podcast: The pieces of the covid jigsaw the mainstream don’t talk about
https://www.anhinternational.org/news/podcast-the-pieces-of-the-covid-jigsaw-the-mainstream-dont-talk-about/

272093 Daniel Graham, 25, #895 of 1943 🔗

Watching the Protest in London with the goons in masks operating in snatch squads and intimidation, we should take a different approach and get them to arrest everyone peacefully.

CLOG the COURTS!

Don’t pay the fines demand COURT, this intimidation will detonate in weeks. France is resisting nicely, going into riots

272095 Tom Blackburn, 1, #896 of 1943 🔗
272102 Smelly Melly, 10, #897 of 1943 🔗

This comment I posted on Russia Today has been rejected.

Just another mouldy old carrot to offer up to the plebs who will believe anything they are told. Watching the sheeple is like watching a hungry donkey being led with a carrot on a stick, the more it trys to get the carrot it remains out of reach. As the donkey gets more hungry the carrot gets changed to a bigger and juicer carrot and the more it tries to get it. In the end the donkey is staving and will be eternally grateful for the mouldy old carrot first offered up.

This will only end when the people have been brow beaten into total acceptance of the mouldy old carrot will this scam end. You will own nothing but you will be happy.

272104 sam, replying to sam, 14, #898 of 1943 🔗

watching the protests too .inspiring

272139 ▶▶ DRW, replying to sam, 6, #899 of 1943 🔗

Indeed, let’s not forget they were tiny back in April. Much different story now.

272157 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DRW, 11, #900 of 1943 🔗

Pier Corbyn and his five mates have been on the front line since day one 👏🏻

272105 richard riewer, 8, #901 of 1943 🔗

The Circles of Hell are radiating from every corner of the globe.

272205 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to p02099003, #903 of 1943 🔗

Great interview! I love these guys.

272111 JHuntz, 6, #904 of 1943 🔗

Can a reset be great when so many people are rejecting it?

272116 Ewan Duffy, 2, #905 of 1943 🔗

It looks like there were some parts of the NHS working during the scamdemic – suspected cancer patients from the Republic of Ireland were going to hospitals in NI to get diagnosed as the health service in the Republic were not conducting such assessments during lockdown.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/patients-travelling-from-republic-to-north-for-cancer-diagnosis-39801748.html

272117 Mark, 19, #906 of 1943 🔗

After the 2003 Iraq War protest I swore I’d never bother with demonstrating again. But watching these demos, I’m starting to think I might have to hold my manhood cheap in future, while any speaks, who took to the streets this accurs’d year….

Respect is due.

272119 calchas, replying to calchas, 19, #907 of 1943 🔗

I think the police are doing such an important job that they need to be vaccinated first.

272183 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to calchas, 6, #908 of 1943 🔗

Right after the politicians.

272192 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #909 of 1943 🔗

And after klaus and bill.

272394 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #910 of 1943 🔗

Yes, in theory. The trouble is that the vaccines have different batch numbers. The batch number will be “coded” and the more working-class areas are liable to have the XXXXL version.

272120 sam, replying to sam, 8, #911 of 1943 🔗

the french are wearng masks in paris as far as can tell . more obedient , who knew . so happy london no masks but so happy paris protests! merci all!

272122 ▶▶ Sue, replying to sam, 6, #912 of 1943 🔗

it’s mandatory in paris to wear the masks outside = that’s why they’re wearing them.

272129 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Sue, 2, #913 of 1943 🔗

i didn’t know sorry , maybe if they all took off thier mask s at once it would clog the arrests and inspire others more

272132 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Sue, 18, #914 of 1943 🔗

“it’s mandatory in paris to wear the masks outside = that’s why they’re wearing them”

Let’s just let those words hang in the air for a moment while we savour them to take in their full implications.

272177 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to calchas, 4, #915 of 1943 🔗

i didn’t say that it was right that they wear the masks… just that it’s mandated by the law and they are likely to get lynched before get down the street. Nevertheless they are putting up a darn good protest in paris at the moment but the french has more experience than us.

272198 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sue, 5, #916 of 1943 🔗

they are wearing masks because it is not an anti mask /lockdown protest. It is against a bill that prevents police being identified by media .

272225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to mjr, #917 of 1943 🔗

i didnt know that thank you i thoght it was like the great london one , and wondered how come theyre all wearing masks in paris when is an anti lockdown anti mask protest ! now i know

272220 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Sue, #918 of 1943 🔗

im glad ,and they sure are . yes they a re known for their protests

272152 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to sam, 7, #919 of 1943 🔗

No way are they more compliant. They are smashing CCTV up and looting!

272387 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #920 of 1943 🔗

Perfectly acceptable in the circumstances.

272126 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 10, #921 of 1943 🔗

I’d be hesitant wanting Boris out as of right now given that a leadership contest could give rise to Prime Minister Michael Gove. In ordinary circumstances, I would hate to have a sniveling, out of touch, back stabbing opportunist like him in power. Given how he has been pushing for restriction after restriction since March I abhor the the man. Johnson is still too trigger happy with lockdown and is way too accommodating of all the SAGE doom mongering but at least with him there are hints that he wants things to be normal but doesn’t have the backbone to stand up against whoever is controlling him.

272135 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ricky R, 12, #922 of 1943 🔗

I defer to no man in my contempt for Gove but one step at a time. First get the current senior Guilty Man out of office, then take down whoever else squirms to the top of the pole, until we get one who properly atones for this panic.

272140 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Ricky R, 3, #923 of 1943 🔗

No it would be Hunt the c*nt.

272141 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ricky R, 16, #924 of 1943 🔗

Don’t agree. Johnson is a disaster and so is Gove. The best thing at present would be for the1922 to get rid of Johnson and the cabinet, then vote in a senior Conservative with a team composed of serious, humane people who have some expertise. There are a few. This bunch have proved themselves to be unworthy of office ever again and some them should be jail.

272166 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to Bugle, 1, #925 of 1943 🔗

Gove is my MP. I’ve written several times but he never replies. He doesn’t even live in the constituency and when he does visit he stays at Penny Hill Park (Home of the troughers).

272181 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Bugle, 3, #926 of 1943 🔗

Maybe that’s the recovery group. Which is why they have to tread carefully. As someone mentioned earlier today, you can only influence from the inside.

272648 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Bugle, 1, #927 of 1943 🔗

can you list them I cant think of more than the fingers of one hand. There are those who are MPs who work for the constituenciesand are happy doing that and not up to the task of real leadership and then there are the fucking cunts like Hancock and Gove, Boris and (h)cunt who are all on a power trip, but in reality are thicker than mince. Qualified, great education but no common sense or compassion or ability to work off anything other than a script.Doris had us fooled for a long time, but when the chips were down he caved in. No balls or real brains, just a tool with the eye on the main chance that will keep him in relative affluence for the rest of his natural. Hancock would be first to throw his hat in the ring if Doris stood down.

272193 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ricky R, 1, #928 of 1943 🔗

My bet is on Sunak.
They all p×ss in the same pot,anyway.

272480 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., #929 of 1943 🔗

I think Sunak has been groomed for the top spot. He’s a bit like Macron and Obama in that he’s been parachuted in from nowhere and then feted as the golden child.

272196 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ricky R, 6, #930 of 1943 🔗

The Tory rebellion could come from one of two sides – pro or anti lockdown.

Gove could be a pro-lockdown candidate, who would be more draconian than the PM and would steal Labour’s thunder.

Sunak might be an anti-lockdown candidate who would put clearer blue water between the Tories and Labour.

The initiative is currently like to come from the CRG, but a lot depends on what the rest of them are thinking. Are there some shy anti lockdown MPs who will back the CRG side when they see which way the wind is blowing, or do they all truly believe in the madness that the PM is pushing?

I guess we will find out.

(I use anti lockdown very loosely here).

272207 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky R, 2, #931 of 1943 🔗

If Johnson goes he’ll take all the guilty men with him if the 1922 and CRG can grow bloody spines.

272221 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ricky R, 3, #932 of 1943 🔗

Gove hasn’t got a cat in hell’s chance of becoming the next leader of the party. When Doris goes (in my view it is close – perhaps weeks) there will be a caretaker until next September. Likely replacement to take Tory party into the next election – Dominic Raab.

272293 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #933 of 1943 🔗

Aaaargh – no!!!

272296 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #934 of 1943 🔗

I expect he’ll be off in the new year after “getting Brexit done”, not that it matters anymore.

272382 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to DRW, 1, #935 of 1943 🔗

Yes; he must stay until 1 minute after Brexit is finalised. Then he must go, as soon as humanly possible thereafter. He can also take thicko Nut Nuts with him. I say this as a former conservative voter. he could only improve on this if he sadlidied.

272130 mjr, 10, #936 of 1943 🔗

just reading the RT summary on their Youtube of the Paris protests which are against the Global Security Bill.
“The organizers, which include several journalists’ unions, are planning to march….. ”
a pity our journalists are generally so supine.

Note the protest is not anti lockdown / mask … The ‘Global Security’ bill would make it illegal to disseminate images in which police officers or gendarmes can be personally identified, and has been widely criticised by activists and journalists, who state it would present a danger to press freedom



272131 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 21, #937 of 1943 🔗

Oooooh, just seen the ultimate in yuletide subjugation – a Christmassy mask. And the wearer was actually proud to admit she had made it herself. Despair.

272145 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 7, #938 of 1943 🔗

Jesus,she’s an unredeemable member of the cult.

272147 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 8, #939 of 1943 🔗

We asked if it lit up … 😉

272159 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 8, #940 of 1943 🔗

Should have asked her to stick a fork in a plug socket,that might make it light up !.

272164 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 12, #941 of 1943 🔗

I wonder if she had been in Belsen or suchlike she would have jazzed her ‘stripey pajamas ‘ up ?.

272187 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 4, #942 of 1943 🔗

Just wait until the cold light of new year hits these idiots.

272188 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to kh1485, 6, #943 of 1943 🔗

Home made PPE! That’s guaranteed to save her life, isn’t it?

272476 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PatrickF, 2, #944 of 1943 🔗

What happened to all that home made PPE that ladies’ knitting groups were making for hospitals back in March? Probably got thrown in the amputated-leg incinerators.

272667 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cranmer, #945 of 1943 🔗

Good question. I know someone who has been posting on her anti-social media accounts photos of her home made muzzles which she intends to give away as Christmas presents.

272337 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to kh1485, #946 of 1943 🔗

Did it light up and play a tune? You not seen those?

272600 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, #947 of 1943 🔗

Jesus wept. Does it have festive lights, baubles and tinsel as well?

272133 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 18, #948 of 1943 🔗

I’ve noticed recently that my local shops seem to have become far less friendly towards my mask-less visage. Until a couple of weeks ago, I was greeted with friendly smiles and conversation – like they were only too pleased to see a real human face. Things seem to have changed quite suddenly, I now feel like a pariah. Anyone else felt this?

272138 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to HelzBelz, 16, #949 of 1943 🔗

Yes. There’s definitely a more intimidatory feel to things atm.

272146 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to kh1485, 11, #950 of 1943 🔗

Interesting – wonder why? Maybe they do really believe that lockdown 2 and the subsequent lockdown-by-another-name is All Our Fault.

272153 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #951 of 1943 🔗

Oh yes, that’ll be the narrative.

272156 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to HelzBelz, 15, #952 of 1943 🔗

“Oh this customer is coming in without a mask on.That’s terrible.If I have to be an unthinking conformist robot, then so should she”

272203 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to HelzBelz, 6, #953 of 1943 🔗

Yes they will believe what al beeb C4 and sky have constantly repeated ie it is All the fault of those horrible anti plague people. Not the fault of those lovely and honest politicians and media folk! It’s been going on for years as in Trump is bad he is racist – how is he racist , er um he is orange man and the wall!!! No cogent argument just repeating what they have been told every hour on the hour. In my darker moments I feel that maybe the hard of thinking should be culled? Then I think no you should not be killed just for being stupid.

272210 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #954 of 1943 🔗

I know of no non mask wearers who have been ill. Plenty of wearers that have many claiming cv.

272148 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 9, #955 of 1943 🔗

Agree, it’s getting nasty. Bullies though aren’t they? Like in the old days when Dad has a bad day at work and Mum might get her test thrown against the wall. Shit houses going after the softer target rather than the cause of the problems.

272224 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #956 of 1943 🔗

*tea thrown

272232 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to kh1485, 3, #957 of 1943 🔗

Hi KH are you open for sit in service from 3rd?

Need somewhere to rest our legs and take a break when Christmas shopping

272301 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #958 of 1943 🔗

We’ll be operating normally from Wednesday – that’s how we have interpreted it (closed Thursdays – I need one day off a week!). Be nice to meet some more LS!

272171 ▶▶ Edward, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #959 of 1943 🔗

Not noticed it myself.

272370 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Edward, 1, #960 of 1943 🔗

Neither have we. Plenty of people wear them in shops, a few outside, but we’ve had no hassle and shop-keepers remain friendly. A shop-keeper took hers off to talk to us, just now. We took a short bus trip to get there and there were 4 of us on the bus. Nobody was wearing a face-nappy. Neither was the driver (none of them do.) MW

272200 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #961 of 1943 🔗

Not really. I’m just disappointed I’m often the only one not wearing one.

272240 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #962 of 1943 🔗

Off topic, love your name. Prompted me to check out a bit of The Fast Show to cheer myself up (when the BBC actually featured comedy on its channels).

272471 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, #963 of 1943 🔗

My favourite is when Dave Angel starts shouting at his wife for throwing car tyres on a bonfire!

272211 ▶▶ anon, replying to HelzBelz, #964 of 1943 🔗

yip.. same here in rural east midlands

272223 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #965 of 1943 🔗

Morrison last night, all the checkout staff are now behind masks, even though they are already behind Perspex screen at the tills.

They have not had to wear masks when on tills, they looked as miserable as sin.

272349 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #966 of 1943 🔗

If masks are harmful to human health (no risk assessments done) then this constitutes assault

272234 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #967 of 1943 🔗

My usual butcher changed his sign to Masks must be worn at the beginning of November. I considered going in today, the girl serving was maskless, but then decided to go to another butcher who has no mask sign at all, only asking for 1 person at a time as the shop is so small.

272248 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Silke David, 5, #968 of 1943 🔗

David go in to you butcher and when they say where is your mask, tell them you are exempt if they say anything tell them you are taking your business to xyz butcher and walk out.

272267 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #969 of 1943 🔗

No – all been fine for me

272310 ▶▶ watashi, replying to HelzBelz, #970 of 1943 🔗

Still friendly here to naked faces in small shops-pet shop/greengrocers/book shop/health food shop/swimming pool. Haven’t ventured into bigger ones recently, so can’t comment on those, though I did notice at the pool yesterday that there was a LOT more mask signage

272474 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #971 of 1943 🔗

I’ve not noticed it. Mask compliance seems to be 100% in every shop I go to, but I have not had any comments, nasty looks etc for ‘going bareback’. I was refused entry to one shop last month, but when I checked on trip advisor the owner is a well known ‘Basil Fawlty’ type.

272851 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cranmer, 1, #972 of 1943 🔗

I think Basil might have been a sceptic!

272573 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to HelzBelz, #973 of 1943 🔗

Have been OK during the last few weeks. I think a lot of it is because I’ve weeded out those that are unfriendly and unwelcoming to people who aren’t masked. Many shops are grateful for the custom especially as I can imagine that their sales are way, way down from last year.

272581 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #974 of 1943 🔗

I shop once a week in a big Tesco. Never been questioned, never had a comment. No change.

Ive yet to see another mask free person though, other than one of the ladies on the self service tills, who has a visor but often takes it off. She is my favourite.

272845 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to HelzBelz, #975 of 1943 🔗

I went into a small town Broseley in Shropshire on Friday. Everyone was masked even outside and a few zombie car drivers too. I have never seen it so bad but I still went mask free….god help anyone who tackles me about it.

272137 Steve Hayes, 35, #977 of 1943 🔗

Average age of coronavirus related death is 82.4.
Life expectancy is 81.
The virus is having zero effect on mortality.

In order to deal with this the government have decided to spend hundreds of billions (which they do not have). These are hundreds of billions that cannot be spent on other things, including health care to save lives.

In order to deal with the virus the government have hollowed out democracy. They cancelled elections. They turned parliament into a pretend parliament. They passed the Coronavirus Act 2020, which at Part 2 Section 90 gave the government the power to rule by ministerial fiat.

In order to deal with the virus the government have taken away our rights and liberties. We are now expected to be grateful if the government allows us to meet a few friends and relatives for a few days over Christmas. The violation of our rights and liberties is driving suicides, mental health problems, domestic violence and child abuse and neglect.

In order to deal with the virus the government have virtually shutdown the health service so as to protect the NHS. Thus, cancers have gone untreated and undiagnosed. Heart disease has been neglected, etc, etc. People are being denied health care to save the NHS.

In order to further protect the NHS the government moved older people out of hospitals to free up space for COVID 19. These people were put in lockdown within care homes, denied access to relatives and health care, and they died: in tens of thousands.

In order to further protect the NHS the government have decimated the economy. They have shutdown whole sectors of the economy, repeatedly, ensuring millions of people will be rendered unemployed: millions who will not be able to contribute to the economy, the economy that is needed to pay for the NHS.

The professed motivation of the government – to protect the NHS in order to Save Lives – is either a lie or government ministers are suffering from madness. Certainly, the government’s policies judged by the professed motivation are irrational, irresponsible and incompetent. The government’s responses to the virus are, entirely predictably, doing far more harm than the virus ever could.

272150 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 33, #978 of 1943 🔗

Picture taken on way home from London protest earlier today.

Entitled: Houses of Parliament shrouded in shame….

272178 ▶▶ DRW, replying to vargas99, 7, #979 of 1943 🔗

Can’t ignore the light though.

272294 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to DRW, 4, #980 of 1943 🔗

That is the light of freedom desperately trying to break through

272185 ▶▶ Sue, replying to vargas99, 2, #981 of 1943 🔗

beautiful picture! glad you didn’t end up in the back of police van!

272288 ▶▶ Ben, replying to vargas99, 7, #982 of 1943 🔗

Big Ben has turned into a giant syringe

272160 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 40, #983 of 1943 🔗

The country is not the property of the MP’s. It is not the property of the police

It is ours

It appears that the politicians and the police are determined to learn this lesson the hard way

272165 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Cecil B, 11, #984 of 1943 🔗

They are organised criminals running a protection racket.

272348 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 1, #985 of 1943 🔗

I sometimes wonder if they have a death wish. Come next year they might just get it.

272161 merlin, replying to merlin, 3, #986 of 1943 🔗

Is there anyone still left in the Government is just incompetent camp?

272173 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to merlin, 33, #987 of 1943 🔗

I just listened to the Ivor Cummins/Dr. Malcolm Kendrick interview and they say it’s either stupidity or evil, and they seem to come out on the side of stupidity — only because they know from history that people are loathe to ever admit they got it wrong when the mistake is on this scale. I’m going to split the difference — it probably started out as stupidity, but it is now in the realm of evil because they won’t admit they got it wrong and continue causing irreparable harm.

272175 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #988 of 1943 🔗

I think the stupidity argument is made by people who over rate their own intelligence.

272184 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to merlin, 1, #989 of 1943 🔗

Who are these people making the stupidity argument? I have read a lot since March and not seen anyone making this argument.

272199 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 5, #990 of 1943 🔗

Me, for one. I’m assuming by “stupidity argument” he’s meaning the cock-up end of the conspiracy/cockup spectrum.

272230 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 7, #991 of 1943 🔗

I suppose it depends what you mean by cockup. A cockup to me is where someone means well but does the wrong thing because they are not very good at what they do. I don’t think that’s what happened. They knew what the right thing to do was but they panicked. It was cowardice rather than incompetence. I suppose if you are a cowardly politician, that makes you incompetent. Not doing a cost-benefit analysis could also be termed incompetence, but I think the reason they didn’t do one is not because they forgot or didn’t realise they ought to, but was again sheer cowardice – they probably knew what the answer would be so preferred not to ask the question. Another way to look at cowardice of this sort in a politician who knowingly takes a wrong path to protect their reputation is that they are wicked.

After the first wrong step, everything else has been wicked because I am sure they have known all along what they should have done and are deliberately trying to cover it up. You could call that a conspiracy of sorts – but really it’s just dirty politics on steroids, where the collateral damage caused by political wickedness is orders of magnitude greater than anything inflicted outside of wartime.

272249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 4, #992 of 1943 🔗

Yes, as I noted, there’s plenty of venality, dishonesty, even evil around.

The point is that there wasn’t anybody controlling events who intended for all these things to happen. Doubtless there are plenty of powerful individuals and groups who have exploited opportunities created to pursue longstanding agendas, such as climate-panicking or anticar lobbies exploiting the panic to get counterproductive “bicycle lanes” put in for ideological reasons.

272258 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, #993 of 1943 🔗

I quite agree, but I think that characterising your position (which is more less mine) as “the government is incompetent” is very wide of the mark. As I said, incompetence alone suggests that the actor means well but makes a mistake.

272287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #994 of 1943 🔗

I don’t see it that way – for me incompetence does not preclude bad intentions in second order and subsequent decisions. It just means that I don’t believe Johnson.for instance, had some mad scheme to destroy the country back in March for some kind of personal or political gain, or that he was “ordered” to panic by some higher power that expected to profit thereby as part of some masterplan.

Incompetence also includes cowardice, imo, in a leader. So “meaning well” isn’t wholly necessary for that, either.

272241 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 10, #995 of 1943 🔗

I think they’ve been sucked into a logical trap of their own making and have no idea how to get out without destroying the credibility of government and the state. The weight of what they find on their shoulders is beyond their comprehension. They are trapped under an avalanche.

272256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #996 of 1943 🔗

They could have walked away from the mess in the summer if they ran the PCR test with 25 cycles of amplification.

272303 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to merlin, 7, #997 of 1943 🔗

Yes exactly.

Nobody forced them to escalate with mandatory mask.wearing.

Every possible opportunity to hype the threat has been taken.

272262 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #998 of 1943 🔗

More cowardice, yes.

272290 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #999 of 1943 🔗

Yes, that’s my feeling about it. Which ones are convincing themselves and which ones are just pretending now I don’t know, but they must all be aware on some level of what a disastrous error they have made.

272186 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to merlin, 14, #1000 of 1943 🔗

Abused chidren – and other powerless victims – often try to find excuses for their own abusers, especially when their abusers are their own parents, because to admit that their own abusers are acting out of evil, would reveal to themselves the true horror of their own situation.

272191 ▶▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to calchas, 2, #1001 of 1943 🔗

Good point

272242 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 5, #1002 of 1943 🔗

I know people who prefer not to think about how wicked the government is, even though they know it to be true, but they don’t try to find excuses for them, they just prefer not to dwell on it because they want to preserve their mental health

Saying the government are acting as they are for domestic political motives is not finding excuses for them, it’s just one of many plausible explanations

272237 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to merlin, 1, #1003 of 1943 🔗

Thanks.

272176 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 17, #1004 of 1943 🔗

This does concur with Hancock denying herd immunity without vaccine and denying t-cells. That said, there’s huge global opportunism and I don’t trust the academics that are advising govt. And it’s more than just us, it’s everywhere. All of what you say sounds right + there’s a global agenda that’s taking hold.

272194 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Country Mumkin, 12, #1005 of 1943 🔗

I would agree with you — the folks with the global agenda (Great Reset, 4th Industrial Revolution, or whatever you want to call it) are using the “pandemic” as an opportunity to push through their agenda. There’s all kinds of incompetence, evil and opportunism going on so we needn’t pick among them.

272447 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1006 of 1943 🔗

I think we’re living in a global proxy-war between the forces of libertarianism, and authoritarianism. It’s been building for a while – eg with Trump and Brexit and the rise of the non-mainstream media – and Covid has brought it all to a head.

272245 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1007 of 1943 🔗

And they can’t admit it because it would wipe out the credibility of the nation state at a stroke

272254 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1008 of 1943 🔗

You don’t have to make the stupid/evil assessment if you judge in terms of behaviour, actions, rather than essence. Both aspects have been plentifully apparent, and have escalated. Hancock, for example, is not “evil” as such, but he is certainly “evily” or “eviling”.

272273 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1009 of 1943 🔗

I agree. They know the fucked up and they know they will pay. They are desperate to get to the vaccine which they think will provide the narrative to get them out of it. They will kill however many and destroy however much on the way because they have got themselves in so deep with their own story that they now believe it. We are literally being governed by mad men now.

272180 ▶▶ Julian, replying to merlin, #1010 of 1943 🔗

I’m not sure anyone has ever said “the Government is just incompetent”. Who has said this, where and when?

272453 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 3, #1011 of 1943 🔗

I think there was a feeling among some that the government over-reacted in March (incompetence) and that everything since has been a way of back-pedalling on that. That was a plausible argument until compulsory mask wearing was introduced – although at that point I was still willing to give that the benefit of the doubt as being a way of making reluctant Coronaphobes think it was safe to go back to work – but once the tier system was introduced it was clear that this was something more than incompetence.

272195 ▶▶ Mark, replying to merlin, 7, #1012 of 1943 🔗

Yep, I’m still there. Never, ever underestimate just how stupidly government can behave.

Those who lived through the 1970s in this country should be fully aware of that.

Though admittedly it’s “functional stupidity”, and often just reflects the mismatch between their claimed aims and actual objectives. And it’s not “just incompetent” – there’s plenty of petty venality,conspiracies and even outright evil there as well. Just not a smoothly run, overarching conspiracy by evil geniuses that explains everything.

272204 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Mark, 4, #1013 of 1943 🔗

I would feel a lot better if I shared your view. Desmond swayne described it as herd stupidity a couple of months ago, I wonder if he still thinks that is still the case.

272243 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Mark, 1, #1014 of 1943 🔗

But:

Surely what you’ve “admittedly” described in your final paragraph is what people mean when they say it’s not just incompetence?

By “incompetence” people tend to mean surface, face-value incompetence where they are sincere but ineffective. Not their incompetence at being sneaky!

What you outline there is “apparent incompetence” due to players having aims other than the stated one. This is exactly the disingenuous behaviour that post-“just incompetence” people assert or conclude is happening.

272272 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Arkansas, 3, #1015 of 1943 🔗

There’s lots of middle ground.

My interpretation as I noted above was that the op was stating a position on the “conspiracy/cockup” spectrum, whereby an overarching intentionality about the entirety of the situation we are in is hypothesised.

I’m much closer to the other end of that spectrum, as described. I don’t believe anybody of sufficient power to order governments around arranged for all this to happen. I suspect the central feature is that politicians panicked, and then tried to cover for their panic by doubling down, or found pretending to panic politically useful (this is probably true of a lot of US Democrat panickers), and they continue to do so.

I don’t think that requires denying any evil or bad behaviour at all by politicians, or the existence of opportunist conspiracies to profit from the situation or exploit it to further existing agendas.

272334 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Mark, 3, #1016 of 1943 🔗

Yes, me too. It doesn’t mean I think it’s just stupidity and incompetence. I think they’ve got themselves in a hole, and can’t stop digging. They had opportunities to stop but were scared to even give a scintilla of a chance of being blamed. So now I think it’s clear they all lie every time they speak, they know they are lying and so do we.
It’s also clear that massive greed and fraud is now at play but that’s just opportunistic on the back of the original incompetence in my opinion. Why waste the chance to give billions of pounds worth of unnecessary contracts to your friends if you can?

272227 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to merlin, 7, #1017 of 1943 🔗

Hancock aka Gruber is certainly incompetent and camp

272238 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1018 of 1943 🔗

If you add evil , I am in full agreement with you.

272236 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to merlin, 1, #1019 of 1943 🔗

Yes.

272163 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 7, #1020 of 1943 🔗

MP’s and civil servants to be on lesser of 80% of salary or £2,500 per week whilst any restrictions are ongoing. Clawback to apply for any remuneration in excess of this since March.

272189 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1021 of 1943 🔗

Per month, pre-tax!

272202 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1022 of 1943 🔗

MPs fair enough, they’ve done SFA except prolong this farce. Ordinary civil servants however have worked throughout, some under increased pressure to deal with the rise of benefit claims and paying grants to businesses etc. For info, here is some info on the average salary of civil servants. Those in the lower grades have relatively modest salaries. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/civil-service-median-salary-by-uk-region-and-grade-2020

272170 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 17, #1023 of 1943 🔗

If there really was a dangerous killer virus on the loose do we think face coverings would of been made mandatory?

We and they know they are useless at stopping the spread.

272201 ▶▶ chris, replying to stefarm, 16, #1024 of 1943 🔗

It is now close to 1 year since the release of the china virus in Wuhan. Zahawi has been named as the vaccine tzar and IF the trials are successful (whatever success means) immunization should begin….who knows when. Lots of false dawns!
But surely, a vaccine is now pointless. The virus has done the damage and is now virtually harmless. It will have mutated. Those who have been infected are now dead or immune. Surely immunisation takes place before the virus has spread. This is how flu jabs work. Autumn jab in preparation for the flu season. Am I missing something?

272216 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to chris, 13, #1025 of 1943 🔗

From a public health point of view an emergency vaccine is not needed and will probably do more harm than good. In the fullness of time it might be worth more vulnerable people having it, if safe, but it would take a few years and you’d need to look at the potential harms.

The virus will be around forever probably, so will continue to have an effect, albeit much less marked than the effect it has had this year.

The point of the vaccine is to give politicians a way to save face, and an easy way to quell the hysteria they helped created.

272250 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 7, #1026 of 1943 🔗

The only escape route that validates The Narrative. I expect less testing with dialled down PCRs will be enough for them to claim it works.

272282 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 1, #1027 of 1943 🔗

Except it wouldn’t work.

What has happened over the last nine months cannot bear the light of the investigation that would come.

There is no going back.

272276 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 5, #1028 of 1943 🔗

So why is it already being made clear that masks and distancing will continue, whether a ‘vaccine’ comes or not?

272317 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 4, #1029 of 1943 🔗

That is a very good question, and it is certainly a very worrying suggestion. I am not sure but would surmise they very much like the control, freedom from scrutiny and easy power that ruling by fear gives them. Hancock in particular seems to relish it and I think a few others do too (Sturgeon, Khan, Gove, Whitty, Vallance) though the PM looks like he’s not enjoying it all that much.

272363 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Julian, 1, #1030 of 1943 🔗

I would not be that dismayed if a certain politician succumbed to the virus. It would a hilarious karmic justice if COVID19 turned out to be his actual nemesis.

272358 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 5, #1031 of 1943 🔗

Because the endless vaccines and boosters and immunity passports cannot be justified without a visible sign of danger. Masks and distancing keep the lie alive

272300 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Julian, 5, #1032 of 1943 🔗

If they were looking for a way out with vaccines they wouldn’t be planning to mass vaccinate the population( only the very vulnerable would be considered) with experimental vaccines which are not tested to prove prevention of transmission or even reduction in serious disease i.e may not reduce hospital admission.

The potential of serious adverse reactions and antibody dependent enhancement are also being underplayed/ignored by proponents of these vaccines.

272309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to merlin, 6, #1033 of 1943 🔗

The potential of serious adverse reactions and antibody dependent enhancement are also being underplayed/ignored by proponents of these vaccines. ” Oh yes indeed am under no illusions as to their safety etc.

Mass vaccination was always what they pushed as the way out, and it suits their narrative much better than just vaccinating the vulnerable because they’ve always liked to push the fact that the virus is dangerous for everyone, long covid etc.

They had many ways out and chose not to take any of them, because they are cowardly and wicked, but I don’t think the intention is to cause suffering, just to save themselves (though they know full well they are causing suffering and don’t seem to care).

272316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 1, #1034 of 1943 🔗

“because they’ve always liked to push the fact that the virus is dangerous for everyone, long covid etc.”

So, why have they always liked to push this?

272311 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to merlin, 3, #1035 of 1943 🔗

A state of global emergency has been introduced, and will be extended, because the financial system is at its end.

Savings and pensions in paper form will be destroyed.

The measures will only be rescinded once a new system is in place.

It is all about control.

272332 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to calchas, 3, #1036 of 1943 🔗

I’m afraid this is the only explanation which makes sense – unfortunately.

272342 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to calchas, 1, #1037 of 1943 🔗

There was a repo market crisis september 2019 when fed had to pump in emergency liquidity. This emergency may have been far more significant than anyone thought at the time.
The covid crisis may be related.

272438 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to merlin, #1038 of 1943 🔗

Wasn’t Italy supposed to be going bankrupt at the end of this calendar year also? Mind you, Italy’s always on the verge of bankruptcy so who knows.

272354 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to chris, 4, #1039 of 1943 🔗

It’s not about health. It’s about money and control – Pharma profits and tech profits (immunity passports) – control of humans

272190 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #1040 of 1943 🔗

Why have they never worried about the hospitals being overwhelmed before Agenda 21?

272213 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #1041 of 1943 🔗

Our hospitals are always overwhelmed, particularly during the winter. The citizenry seems to have collective memory loss. Hallway medicine is regular practice here, so not sure what all the fuss is about this year.

272231 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1042 of 1943 🔗

Our’s too, the hospitals are usually inviting the media in to see

272208 Dave #KBF, 1, #1043 of 1943 🔗

Anna Brees still off YT, but another interview:

Brees Media

272209 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #1044 of 1943 🔗

Any idea how many people attended the demo in London today? Sky said 100’s possibly thousands, which means there were thousands.

272215 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to PatrickF, 14, #1045 of 1943 🔗

Watching the live streams, it was thousands rather than hundreds, early on the police split the protest in to multiple groups.

272219 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Dave #KBF, #1046 of 1943 🔗

Thanks Dave.

272228 ▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to Dave #KBF, 12, #1047 of 1943 🔗

I was in Hyde Park today on an unrelated trip and I can confirm that groups were split into smaller groups, surrounded by excessive levels of police. Probably triple the number of police to protestors…

272286 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Chloe, 5, #1048 of 1943 🔗

I don’t think so, have a look at this: https://youtu.be/ewXeq6SJ2As?t=7332

I believe it depends where you were.

272352 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 8, #1049 of 1943 🔗

BTW – not saying there weren’t excessive plod there, but if the crowd had been like a French crowd and not a very largely law abiding British crowd, it wouldn’t have ended very well for some of the more brutal police response, of which, there seemed a fair amount.

I suspect future protests could become very large, if the utter fool in Downing St can’t see that many very normal people are at the end of their tether with this now.

272214 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1050 of 1943 🔗

I take it that Piers Corbin still hasn’t paid any fines ?

272222 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1051 of 1943 🔗

Either that or he has a rich girlfriend.

272432 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1052 of 1943 🔗

Dudes a socialist so he’ll get others to pay it form him and he’ll get a few quid from fucking morons who don’t know science and think global warming is fake. I admire him actually. He makes a living from talking shit and selling to the likes of Bono.

272496 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, 1, #1053 of 1943 🔗

Yes, at least he gets out rhere and doe’s something rather than beating his chest and effing and blinding at Moloch…

272863 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, #1054 of 1943 🔗

Sounds like you are the moron mate.

272233 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1056 of 1943 🔗

I was just musing about the false story that Cromwell banned Christmas (it was parliament actually).
I often said that what we need in this country is another Cromwell, but I never thought that he would come in the shape of the ” Bozzer”!!!
Mind you, I don’t think that Cromwell would have had much time for “Bozza”.
Johnson must be known by more different names than Lord Lucan.

272239 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1057 of 1943 🔗

this is came up a few weeks ago in a thread-I’m sure that someone can identify what day- it was interesting but the upshot was we all got lots of History homework!

272251 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1058 of 1943 🔗

That’s like saying the lockdown was not imposed by the pig dictator but imposed by parliament

Cromwell was running the country and the parliament did as it was told

272270 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 1, #1059 of 1943 🔗

Yes, Cecil, true, but like I say: ” I do like a good muse”.
I don’t think that the collaborating sheep have enough brain cells to muse,imagine or dream.

272325 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1060 of 1943 🔗

Cromwell was quit liberal in his attitude. He said he didn’t care what religion somebody was, as long as they obeyed to laws of the land. He also liked music.

272398 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Smelly Melly, #1061 of 1943 🔗

And he also famously danced at his daughter’s wedding.

272361 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1062 of 1943 🔗

There’s a lot of mythology about the Commonwealth years, and things changed over time.

One thing that is forgotten (conveniently for the long tradition of royal arse-lickers) is that there was a range of political and religious thought and argument going on that is still unusual in this time of monolithic media.

One of the key strands (buggered by Cromwell’s Blair-like messiah/dictatorial tendencies) was a strong libertarian streak; the views of some of those engaged in the Putney Debates between the radicals and the landed classes were truly democratic, and Milton wrote one of the essential texts about freedom of expression in the ‘Aeropagitica’.

In terms of political structures, we haven’t moved on as much as is thought, when executive power is truly monarchical.

272379 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #1063 of 1943 🔗

Diggers and Ranters, the anti-vaxxers of their time.

“You have, most noble Senatours, done worthily against Papists, Prelates and scandalous Ministers, in casting down Images, Altars, Crucifixes, throwing out Ceremonies, etc., but what have you done against other kindes of growing evils, Heresie, Schisme, Disorder, against Seekers, Anabaptists, Antinomians, Brownists, Libertines and other sects? […] You have made a Reformation […], but with the Reformation have we not a Deformation, and worse things come in upon us then ever we had before?”

272410 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark, #1064 of 1943 🔗

There is a “Ranter’s bank” near us: Shropshire/Worcestershire border.

272402 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to RickH, #1065 of 1943 🔗

Yes, how much is taught in schools about the Diggers and the Levellers?

272244 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -28, #1066 of 1943 🔗

I hope that all those here encouraging businesses to open in defiance of the ACTUAL law will start fund raising to help those businesses pay their legitimately imposed fines.

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2020/11/28/can-magna-carta-and-common-law-give-you-immunity-from-covid-regulations/

272261 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to MutzNutz, 26, #1067 of 1943 🔗

I think most people here are fully aware of what the Secret Barrister says in terms of the law.

Whether the fines are legitimate or not is more of a philosophical question than a technical one, as I’m sure you are aware.

And yes, I would happily contribute to any fund for these businesses.

272271 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, -7, #1068 of 1943 🔗

I should have said ‘legally’ rather than legitimately, so I take your point

272277 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #1069 of 1943 🔗

Quite happy to help fund legal action – let’s get it tested in court. I suspect a well argued case (or class action) may be settled out of court rather than find out the government got this wrong (and subsequent flood of legal action).

272299 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1070 of 1943 🔗

May I have a link for the Secret Barrister please

272331 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Rosie, #1071 of 1943 🔗

It’s in MutzNutz original post.

272278 ▶▶ DRW, replying to MutzNutz, 4, #1072 of 1943 🔗

The Liverpool gym got over £50,000.

272284 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to MutzNutz, -2, #1073 of 1943 🔗

Secret bunny boiler best avoided.

272304 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to MutzNutz, 7, #1074 of 1943 🔗

You think the diktats of Boris and his team of serial-avoiders-of-scrutiny amount to “law”? Hilarious.

272347 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Bugle, -4, #1075 of 1943 🔗

Just wait until he blows off Brexit!

272377 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to MutzNutz, 2, #1076 of 1943 🔗

Don’t change the subject.

272314 ▶▶ Biker, replying to MutzNutz, 11, #1077 of 1943 🔗

We could put you in the stocks and charge random punters a quid to chuck a sponge soaked in piss at you that way we’d raise enough money to pay off all the fines no one will pay anyway because none of the laws this parliament has passed since the day they declared themselves sovereign are real laws. We are under an occupation at the moment and the last thing we need is fuckwits like you siding with the traitors just because you’re scared, weak as piss and ugly.

272343 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Biker, -8, #1078 of 1943 🔗

Pathetic gullible cretin

272360 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to MutzNutz, -5, #1079 of 1943 🔗

Bro that is so disappointing. I would have though a streak of piss like you could have come up with a better insult. Damn it seems i’m wasting my time insulting you if that’s the best you got. Come on man pick up your game. I’ll give you another shot.

272368 ▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Biker, -3, #1080 of 1943 🔗

Nah. Just read some of your other posts. I liked the comments about Anna Brees! So I’ll take it all back 🙂 XX

272428 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to MutzNutz, -2, #1081 of 1943 🔗

Bro, can you believe some of these tools on here think they’re the rebellion. Lol

272868 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 1, #1082 of 1943 🔗

And what have you done…fucked off on your stupid motorbike?

272429 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1083 of 1943 🔗

I am visiting friends and family etc in defiance of the actual law, and I don’t expect anyone to pay my fines if I get caught (and I will not pay any FPNs). However, I am happy to support anyone in need of help, if I can, and indeed have already done so with one or two businesses that have defied the lockdowns.

272246 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 22, #1084 of 1943 🔗

Looking at the police today reminds me of the way they were with the miners, nothing has really changed.

272252 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1085 of 1943 🔗

And the printers

272263 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1086 of 1943 🔗

Nearly 40 years after being charged during the miners strike, my brother in law with the rest of the miners in Scotland have to get a pardon.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/28/scotland-to-pardon-hundreds-convicted-in-1984-miners-strike

272305 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Just about sane, -14, #1087 of 1943 🔗

The miners deserved every kick the pigs gave them. The cost of coal was way to expensive, they were holding the public to ransom expecting us to pay way too much so they could all get an extra tea break or something, not sure anyway the coal being dug by children and slaves in Africa was cheaper so fuck the miners .

272327 ▶▶▶▶ Evelyn, replying to Biker, 13, #1088 of 1943 🔗

My father was an engineer who worked in the pits. He lost an eye in a pit accident, was made deaf and had chronic chest problems all his life, due to the working conditions in the pits. The pit workers were not well paid considering the conditions they worked in.

272356 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Evelyn, -11, #1089 of 1943 🔗

Well all i can say is why didn’t he get a different fucking job? However miners were well paid. They got a lot of money for what was basically an orc’s job. Anyone with a fucking heartbeat could have been a miner. They stood in a hole in the ground with a pick axe and a shovel. Even the irish could do it

272374 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, 2, #1090 of 1943 🔗

… as said … the voice of the establishment. Shite on a bike.

272378 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Evelyn, replying to RickH, 5, #1091 of 1943 🔗

Exactly…a very angry man

272403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Evelyn, 3, #1092 of 1943 🔗

Let ‘s turn a deaf ear

272414 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to rose, -3, #1093 of 1943 🔗

definitely don’t listen to i word i say Rose, we need people like you in the revolution. i’m sure you can make the tea or whatever it is you’re good at. Got to be something, you can’t fool me. Boring posts trying to find a common ground with other posters against another poster to form a wee club of indignation mooing Bikers on drugs or don’t listen to him. You fucking love it. Underneath the M&S nighty their beats the heart of a Mills and Boon woman blushing

272407 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Evelyn, -4, #1094 of 1943 🔗

Sure Evelyn, whatever you say. Well i say whatever but i’ve never read anything you’ve said before so i’m at loss of what it is you’re saying but i can imagine it goes like this blah blah fucking blah lets be a rebel, socialism, tories and labour come together, man husband, lost a couple of friends blah blah, what can we do, lets meet up, blah blah reset, Imagine being the kind of twat who seeks friends and validation on a fucking comment site. I’ll give Toby his due though i’d ban you for being a boring say nothing whinging cow tormenting the world with her banality and ugly fucking pus. Oh and i’m straighter than a corpse at the side of Michael Barrymore’s swimming pool.
Can we be friends now, lovers even. Like i said i’ve always wanted to fuck a corpse, sure you’re heart is beating but your mind? deader than British Leyland

272395 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, -3, #1095 of 1943 🔗

alright Bono, still got your hands in other peoples pockets to pay for your dreams of socialism? Funny thing is if Labour was in charge you’d be opening your legs and letting them stuff the big hard cock of lockdown between your bald dry Tush. You’re exactly where this “establishment” want you. Me? I’m a free man, i don’t need you but you need me.

272874 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #1096 of 1943 🔗

Well said…what a prat he is.

272371 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, 4, #1097 of 1943 🔗

‘Biker’ – the establishment tool sporting a big gob and little brain.

272416 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 3, #1098 of 1943 🔗

Eight months of social isolation getting to him.

272417 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, #1099 of 1943 🔗

It’s an honour that a socialist like you thinks i’m stupid. You can’t imagine what i think of you. You could try though. I know socialists don’t have an imagination but since you’re the singer in a globally successful socialist one love band that parrots the great reset and talks with kings, Queens and despots you’re slightly smarter than the average thief. Still a thief mind only you think you’re Robin Hood, taking from rich people like me to give to useless cunts so you feel like, well i don’t fucking know what socialist feel like but it looks shit to me.

272507 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, #1100 of 1943 🔗

I still think it’s weird that you think 50 is old.. get a grip!

272884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, -1, #1101 of 1943 🔗

I dont always agree with Rick but your rudeness to him is beneath contempt. He has provided some well researched comments unlike your juvenile drivel. Think you need to sail off into the sunset again on that bike of yours….have another break…longer next time.

272324 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1102 of 1943 🔗

Looking at the police on the streets of London today, what struck me most was how stretched and desperate for recruits they must be. The majority of officers I saw did not look strong or fit enough for the job they’d been given.

272439 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to mattghg, 3, #1103 of 1943 🔗

Agree for most, but the TSG are another story.

They are complete thugs. Utter lowlife.

272359 ▶▶ JYC, replying to Dan Clarke, #1104 of 1943 🔗

Ah yes, those peace-loving miners.

272369 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JYC, 5, #1105 of 1943 🔗

Yes – as today – most were, and not everyone was moronic enough to believe the BBC’s reporting. (Especially if you heard the robots of the police state practising bashing their riot shields in Bishopgarth’s grounds (West Riding Police HQ) – and saw the foreign hired hands departing every day in their vans (cf. those parked on London Streets today)

272443 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to JYC, 1, #1106 of 1943 🔗

You know what they were arguing against these salt of the fucking earth miners? They went on strike for the right to still dig coal with their bare fucking hands. Even the negro slaves in Africa were using big machines but these dumb fucks wanted the tax payer to subsidise their victorian work practices. They had to go. Oh and coal is like putting a bag over your head and trying to breathe. We can’t burn coal, it makes the Quails eggs taste funny.

272890 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, #1107 of 1943 🔗

Embarrassing.

272247 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 24, #1108 of 1943 🔗

https://www.reitschuster.de/post/deutliche-nachteile-der-maske-bei-covid-19/
A German doctor making the case that masks increase the spread of the virus and the severity of the infection.
But I guess ‘they’ know that and that this is exactly their intention…

272255 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jay Berger, 13, #1109 of 1943 🔗

Just put a poster on my front door declaring it a Muzzle Free Zone

272329 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #1110 of 1943 🔗

This is excellent stuff.

https://www.srf.ch/news/panorama/labortest-schutzmasken-im-haertetest-die-meisten-filtern-ungenuegend

According to Testex, seven out of eight masks fail the laboratory test and only insufficiently filter particles the size of a micrometer (one thousandth of a millimeter). One micrometer is roughly the size of the droplets that people expel when they cough. Only the Osann mask passes this test. However, the mask is so tightly woven that it is the only one that fails when it comes to air permeability. In other words: breathing is very difficult with this mask.

272266 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 18, #1111 of 1943 🔗

Territorial Support Group:

“One ex-Metropolitan Police officer suggested that TSG members, “spend (their) days waiting for action, and far too many officers join seeking excitement and physical confrontation.” Some officers are ex-military personnel and these are “the worst bullies” as “the laws of the battlefield are not appropriate to the streets of our capital”.”

Says it all really.

More information about this outfit. Look at the number of complaints (and how many have been upheld).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Support_Group

272281 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1112 of 1943 🔗

And the riot squad they’re restless
They need somewhere to go
As Lady and I look out tonight
From Desolation Row

272274 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, -9, #1113 of 1943 🔗
272338 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #1114 of 1943 🔗

Oh no I’ve been down arrowed -surely noone believes that Covid 19 unlike every other pandemic in history would have naturally declined without the measures – it is like Jose Mourinho, the special one. We must obey without questioning what our betters tell us.

272351 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1115 of 1943 🔗

Love it, i’m a big fan of rambling incoherence, keeps you on your toes

272341 ▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1116 of 1943 🔗

“Cases” have been falling since the week ending the 23rd October, according to the ONS survey and the KCL study.

272275 kh1485, 9, #1117 of 1943 🔗

Apologies if already posted. This as the caller I referred to this morning with regard to the dictionary definition of ‘Substantial Meal’. Great stuff:

https://twitter.com/RayGray_Snacks/status/1332723471869227013

272280 Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 17, #1118 of 1943 🔗

I’m currently refusing DNA amplification tests my mask is on my chin to keep it warm and no fucking vaccine good by to Nursing thank fuck!….I’m spreading the word most good Welsh working class agree whilst those entitled twats in Monmouth are double masked good.

272283 howard steen, 16, #1119 of 1943 🔗

After several months of research I am proud to present the greatest show on earth; The Grand Covid Illusion. Never is the history of humankind has there been such a massive criminal fraud perpetrated on so many people with such a disastrous outcome measured in human life and damage to society. Ladies and gentlemen take you seat for the greatest illusion of all time … remember, if you don’t like being a part of this show you can stand up and walk out at any time. We in the audience outnumber the criminals by several orders of magnitude.
https://twitter.com/howardsteen4/status/1332077159519838208?s=21

272306 James, replying to James, 2, #1120 of 1943 🔗

I just received this from Anna Brees. If you have not already done so please watch and circulate. She has done one with Roger Hodkinson which should be our tomorrow.

Watch “Professor Robert Endres, Imperial College London 27th Nov 2020” on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/484488794?ref=em-share

272339 ▶▶ Biker, replying to James, -3, #1121 of 1943 🔗

Is it just me or does anyone else not listen to a word she says and just imagine her sucking your dick? I realise her sucking your dick would be pretty much like anyone woman doing it but you know we’ve all to pretend women are different. Wait sorry fags suck dick as well. `Shit i’m not having a very PC day today. I already insulted some ethnics by wearing a turban while i bought some lemon grass and tandoori paste from a dude who goes round the doors selling dish clothes and rabbit feet, or was that the gypsy woman. Anyhow back to Anna and her lips, oh yeah the virus, something blah blah, the bbc are evil, blah blah something reset blah blah blah i’m not wearing a mask, hell i’m riding around without an MOT on my bike, hows that for fucking rebelling? I hit a ton forty on the bypass and i’m still not in the top twenty fastest time from the Forth Bridge to the Dalkeith roundabout. It’s ok though because i had a helmet on so the virus reset button can’t get me. Oh yeah blah blah, slight noise of enjoyment slips from her lips as you tell her that she could be the female David Icke, though dave has bigger tits and i wouldn’t like him to suck my dick, well he can but only in a metaphysical way.

272344 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Biker, 12, #1122 of 1943 🔗

Have you been honing your craft in your short absence from this site? It’s a good job TY believes in free speech.

272353 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Biker, 3, #1123 of 1943 🔗

deleted

272364 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to calchas, -8, #1124 of 1943 🔗

Does he suck cock? Cause i’m not gay but, you know i’ll try anything once and he looks as close to a living corpse as i’ve seen and i’ve always wanted to fuck a dead body

272390 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Biker, 3, #1125 of 1943 🔗

Perhaps you’re not gay, biker but you’re certainly on acid, or something this evening …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ohdBUukjI

272406 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 1, #1126 of 1943 🔗

Certainly he has a bit of a ‘dick obsession’ to go with verbose adolescence . Now … I wonder why ….??? 🙂

(What’s that word … beginning with ‘W’?)

272463 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, 1, #1127 of 1943 🔗

i’ve thought about flagellation, necrophilia and bestiality.
Do you think i’m flogging a dead horse?

272522 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, 2, #1128 of 1943 🔗

Fuck, cunt , dick.. vegan, socialist, cunt miners tit, arse ..cunt .. (again) Moloch ? erm.. dick etc. But bless ,still bothering to come on tame old weedy Lock Down Sceptics…to comment like every other fag ,socialist tory and on .. and on… to infinity…

272536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to David Grimbleby, -2, #1129 of 1943 🔗

i came here on the first day and like a baby fucking duck it’s imprinted on my mind. I’ve even posted first though i didn’t mention that because it’s a bit naff to go first. Who are you anyway? I know, the kind of cunt you find in the kitchen at parties that’s who.

272376 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Biker, 4, #1130 of 1943 🔗

It’s just you.

272386 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, -6, #1131 of 1943 🔗

fag

272392 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Biker, 3, #1132 of 1943 🔗

No thanks I don’t smoke.

272422 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, #1133 of 1943 🔗

Eventually. it’s all a bit of a drag this isn’t it? I have been feeling great recently, better than usual in fact. And now Bono has responded it’s made my day. You’re not Bono, i know that. But you got it going down.

272526 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, -3, #1134 of 1943 🔗

Go away…now!

272550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to David Grimbleby, -1, #1135 of 1943 🔗

Ooh big boy come round i stay at 10 downing street, blonde hair a bit fat but the birds love it, you won’t miss me. If you’re coming bring some coke and a pizza, maybe a few tins of Castlemain four x and a couple of bottles of Baileys and some ice. We’ll make a night of it. I’ve just been saying how i’ve always fancied fucking a dead body and so far today i’d say you’re the deadist mind i’ve come across. I often wish i were like people like you, i really do. I know you won’t believe me but being handsome, charismatic and funny is a curse. Also being well connected and part of the Establishment (for you bono) i look down on the likes of you the way Edmund Hillary looked down on Ernst Schmied

272598 ▶▶ Ben, replying to James, 2, #1136 of 1943 🔗

I don’t trust Anna Brees one bit. Sorry

272307 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #1137 of 1943 🔗

One does wonder if our political Lords and Masters ever bother to read the official web-sites? all that guff from Micheal Gove this morning about protecting the poor, nearly overwhelmed NHS and yet on the NHS dashboard they have just announced that the total Covid patients in English hospitals has gone down again by 183 since yesterday. It reached a height of 13,767 but has now dropped to 12,845. Given the size of the NHS workforce that equates to 100 NHS staff members per Covid patient.
It is iniquitous mendacity to even think about passing Public Health legislation to protect the NHS based on that sort of data.
Michael Gove; read your web-sites before you open your mouth and start spouting drivel.

272412 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1138 of 1943 🔗

… and we still come back to the definition of a ‘Covid’ death/patient.

272308 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 16, #1139 of 1943 🔗

Not sure if this has been shown on here before but it shows up the increase in Covid deaths in recent weeks with the decease in non-Covid deaths as a near mirror image(from Dr Clare Craig)

272415 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Biggles, 1, #1140 of 1943 🔗

… and again the essential confusions and inaccuracies emerge …

272419 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to RickH, 3, #1141 of 1943 🔗

Every excess death is a Covid. Or more precisely, is counted as Covid related!

272312 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1142 of 1943 🔗

The Guardian: Risking family health over Christmas is ‘individual judgment’, says professor.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/28/family-health-christmas-coronavirus-professor-neil-ferguson

272313 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1143 of 1943 🔗

Individual judgement eh??

272318 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1144 of 1943 🔗

Almost like every time i climb on my Motorcycle and speed off into oblivion, i mean ride off safely

272340 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Biker, 3, #1145 of 1943 🔗

Have you ever read the poem ‘On The Move’ by Thom Gunn?

You might just like it even if poetry is not your thing.

The last 3 lines are the only lines of poetry I have ever remembered, and they have been there in the background of my mind for over 50 years.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/57037/on-the-move

272384 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Old Bill, #1146 of 1943 🔗

i know what he means by not keeping still. Everything other than riding is time wasted

272328 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1147 of 1943 🔗

It’ll never catch on.

272321 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1148 of 1943 🔗

Like crossing a road?

272335 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #1149 of 1943 🔗

Thank goodness they’ve kept him on to advise us in these terrible times. We’d all be dead by now if it wasn’t for him. Most people with a track-record like his would have been junked decades ago – what a loss that would have been. . .MW

272355 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #1150 of 1943 🔗

Just like it was individual judgement when he sneaked off to see his “essential” lover during LD1? Except it wasn’t, was it, because he ensured that it became the law, for everyone else at least.

IT’S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM ANY MORE! Even the sight of his name in print is enough to trigger the rage in me now, let alone his stupid face.

272431 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1151 of 1943 🔗

It seems that the Groan has lost any sense of shame in its conversion to the ‘MI6 House Journal’, otherwise why would they be interviewing a ‘scientist’ typified by serial failure?

AS we know, there are plenty around with massively better track records re. this virus.

272601 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1152 of 1943 🔗

Consider the first line from this article- “ The scientist whose modelling led to the first UK lockdown has said….”

272604 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1153 of 1943 🔗

What really irritates me beyond belief about this shite is they are acting as though the bubonic plage is out there u know if you so much as touch someone pass a spoon sit together you WILL infect them. These aren’t scientists they are delusional psychiatric patients.

272315 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1154 of 1943 🔗

I must admit that the report about the anti lockdown protests in London on the ” Mail on line” do seem to be giving a balanced view, or am I getting naive in my old age?

272319 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1155 of 1943 🔗

No comments either

272461 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1156 of 1943 🔗

That’s unusual for the DM. But the Sun does let you comment on the protests. It’s an uphill battle with those who accuse the protestors of all being on the left. That’s a joke for the few of us here who actually are on the left. I assume in the Sun world, left equals bad.

272537 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1157 of 1943 🔗

Think of it as the equivalent of being called a Tory on the Guardian forums, just without as much risk of getting banned for saying anything slightly unorthodox.

272589 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mark, #1158 of 1943 🔗

The Groan is outright not just Tory but extrem Tory.

272396 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to calchas, #1160 of 1943 🔗

Shame it won’t make any difference, they won’t let a few pesky protestors change their plans.

272330 Old Bill, 3, #1161 of 1943 🔗

More apologies to WS.

Once more unto the test centre, dear friends, once more;
Or close the town up with our English dead.

272350 Danny, replying to Danny, 44, #1162 of 1943 🔗

Just watching some of the shocking footage from the London protest today. Why is this not bigger news? Well I know the answer is because it sits uncomfortably with the Covid narrative. But since when has the brutal suppression of peaceful protest been subject to a suitability bar? You should not have to see scenes like this but then get to decide whether “they deserved it”.
BLM? Police brutality. Lockdown protest? Violent troublemakers. Sickening. The head of the MET should be forced to resign.

272509 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Danny, 4, #1163 of 1943 🔗

I wonder if people will notice the difference in policing today’s event from the earlier protest by BLM. The Met must think we have very short memories.

272592 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1164 of 1943 🔗

must admit we could do with another BLM protest if only to see how the police handle it.

272362 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #1165 of 1943 🔗

Just watched article on BBC news about vitamin D, apparently there’s a trial under way. Sweden fortifies its food with vitamin D and has done so for years.
They seemed to suggest that vitamin D may be involved in the immune system, whereas it is known.

272365 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to p02099003, 11, #1166 of 1943 🔗

Just beat me to it. This could have been done many months ago and I suspect that there is a narrative shift going on. The vaccine looks to be a dud, especially from a financial point of view.

272373 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to mhcp, 8, #1167 of 1943 🔗

The website emphasises the bone and muscular health.
“The vitamin, which helps to keep bones, teeth and muscles healthy, will be delivered to people who are clinically extremely vulnerable, and care homes.”
Whilst completely failing to mention its role in the immune system as well as the fact that it is a protohormone involved in multiple systems.

272449 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to p02099003, 3, #1168 of 1943 🔗

Everyone taking Vitamin D — please remember it needs to be taken with Vitamin K2 as well for proper absorption. I read somewhere yesterday (I read SO much these days) that the elderly in Japan have far higher levels of Vit D in their blood than the elderly in Italy, which might explain the vastly disparate death rates. In the Italian population the levels were dangerously low. I’ve had my D levels checked in the past and they’ve been well below what they need to be so I take high quality (spray) D with K2, C, Magnesium and Zinc every day.

272459 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1169 of 1943 🔗

I’m starting to get the impression that part of the reason that countries in the Far East have done better than the West is because of higher oily fish consumption, a natural source of Vit D. Add in the sunscreen obsession so many people have and it’s a recipe for our current disaster.

272475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to ConstantBees, #1170 of 1943 🔗

Thats the ONE reason I’ve never worn sunscreen, as it blocks the skin’s ability to make this essential vitamin

272538 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to mari, 2, #1171 of 1943 🔗

Another sunscreen refusenik here. When I have had enough sun, I get out of it. Job done.

No evidence sun screen prevents cancer.

272532 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to p02099003, 2, #1172 of 1943 🔗

Vitamin D is wonderful and interesting. I’ve been taking it in winter for years since I opted for a mainly keto or low carb diet. It’s actually a hormone not a vitamin and plays a huge role in a healthy immune system.

272458 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to p02099003, #1173 of 1943 🔗

America has fortified with vitamin D since I was a child in the 60s. Unfortunately, general poor health can’t be conquered with D.

272641 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to p02099003, #1174 of 1943 🔗

Public Health England had a massive campaign about Vitamin D back in 2016. It was in all the MSM. It even specifically mentioned all year round supplementation for very old and BAME people.

272366 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 19, #1175 of 1943 🔗

Just been looking at the Facebook group page for my village and surrounding areas. Lots of people very annoyed about the ‘substantial meals’ ruling and other lockdown issues. There’s no outright condemnation of the government or actual scepticism, but it’s a start, and a welcome change from all the ‘stay safe’ nonsense of the past months. There’s even some anti-vaccine comments, which would have been unthinkable a few weeks ago.

272372 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1176 of 1943 🔗

That’s great… changes here too!

272383 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, #1177 of 1943 🔗

What are you seeing?

272381 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Cranmer, 9, #1178 of 1943 🔗

Thanks for the report.
There’s a definite change in the mood for us to take advantage of.
Am able to say to neighbours that I don’t believe a word of it. So why is it happening? They ask. That’s what everyone wants to know, I reply. That’s as far as I can push it at home, but am bolder with strangers.

272405 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Rosie, 12, #1179 of 1943 🔗

A lot of the debate on FB is about the tier system and why our county has been put in 2 when we have a very low case rate. The issue of ‘money for cases’ has been raised. A few people are still peddling the ‘Hello?? we’re in middle of a pandemic folks, we need to stay safe to beat this deadly virus’ nonsense but they are largely outnumbered by complaints – a few weeks ago it was the other way round.

272454 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1180 of 1943 🔗

I think the tier system is turning the tide. My county has also been put in tier 2 for no good reason. Of course, commenters on the Daily Mail are totally opposed. Now, I’ve moved over to the Sun with their awful commenting system to see if I can make any headway there. Their system is so slow and buggy!

272544 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #1181 of 1943 🔗

I had some great fun on the BBC website last night – many of their articles don’t allow comments but the ones that do are worth doing some ‘guerilla comments’ on!

272907 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cranmer, #1182 of 1943 🔗

Little acorns and all that.

272367 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 19, #1183 of 1943 🔗

Empty corridors, half-full wards and clattering bedpans abound in the UK’s 1200+ hospitals.

But Grovel says you must stay locked down or you will swamp the NHS, you snivelling plebs.

All perfectly reasonable.

272380 ▶▶ alw, replying to Stuart, 7, #1184 of 1943 🔗

Meanwhile Gove’s stable mate Hancock was seen out and about at Kenwood today.Obvs given time out. Didn’t want to be recognised so pulling his baseball cap over head as far as possible so as not to be recognised.

272516 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to alw, 4, #1185 of 1943 🔗

jesus – he’s still go the nerve to go out in public??? that won’t last…

272574 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to dommo, 1, #1186 of 1943 🔗

Damn and blast. I bloody missed an opportunity there. I’ve got a nasty jab at ready to stick in his bum and consign him to oblivion.

272585 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to alw, 2, #1187 of 1943 🔗

Kenwood as in Hampstead Heath? In that case there are always a lot of men hanging around there but not wanting to get recognised.

272441 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Stuart, 4, #1188 of 1943 🔗

How can they still use that old rubbish and people fall for it.The NHS is funded by us for us.We are not there to protect it;it’s function is to provide care for those that need it.

272375 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #1189 of 1943 🔗

Canada’s politicians seem to have embraced fascism with open arms. The Great Destruct is well underway

https://twitter.com/roccogalatilaw/status/1332672151019806720?s=20

272444 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 7, #1190 of 1943 🔗

Not just our politicians, it’s a worldwide problem! But Rocco Galati is suing the lot of them and is working on a bunch of class action suits as well. There is push back, but I won’t deny that Canadians are far too compliant and our politicians — other than Randy Hillier — are a disgrace.

272388 JASA, replying to JASA, 48, #1191 of 1943 🔗

I haven’t posted for a long time, but read the site regularly everyday. Many health problems including severe hearing loss, severe anxiety and autism. Really struggling with my problems, so went for a walk in the nearby Derbyshire Peaks yesterday to try and feel a little better and near the end of my walk, having started to feel a little better, I met a complete brain dead moron. Coming towards me on a path, but with vast areas of land either side, he veered off the path and looked at me angrily. I didn’t hear what he said, but since he was looking towards the lovely sunset, I thought he had commented on it and so I said, “Yes, isn’t it lovely”. It was clear that I had answered incorrectly and so removed my hat to reveal my hearing aids and so I could hear a little better and asked him what he had said. He said that I should have waited at the start of the path until he had passed me and then he wouldn’t have had to leave the path for us to pass – it’s covid time! he said. Oh fuck off. I told him not to be so silly, I’m a scientist and we’re outside. He replied by claiming that his son was a doctor and worked in ICU. Yeah right, but if true, his son should know better and calm his father down. Any benefit I had got from the walk instantly vanished as my anxiety and autism set off because of the confrontation. I managed not to over react, but was a jibering wreck. I had an awful night.
This is why I wear a mask to the supermarket. You don’t get more sceptical than me and I have been here since the beginning in March, but I have to protect myself from confrontation – it makes me very unwell. These twats deserve all the venom that people on here vent, but please don’t aim it at people at supermarkets for wearing a mask.
To cap off an awful end to my walk, when I got back I had received an e-mail from my older brother, who is a circuit judge. I had tried to explain to him that things weren’t as bad as was being reported by the MSM.
This was his depressing (and condescending) reply…. These figures are, of course, the numbers of people who have died when the hospitals could cope. It would be a very different picture if no restrictions were in force and the infection rate increased significantly. Absence of available beds, ventilators and oxygen would lead to a rocketing of the figures, whatever the source of those figures. The other thing to remember is that, if the hospitals are crammed with Covid cases, other urgent procedures, which are not life-threatening, would not be done.
It is also more difficult to protect vunerable people when the infection rate is out of control. Somebody has to shop for them etc. and that is not always possible to arrange. There are fewer ‘good samaritans’ when the risk to them is greater.
You must also remember that your parents, upon whom you are reliant for so many things, straddle that average age of death. In addition, they both have ‘underlying conditions’ and I would rather that they were not put at any greater risk.
All in all, the whole situation is dire, but I don’t think it is sensble to drop all restrictions on the basis of it all being part of some sinister conspiracy. What possible incentive would the Government have for buggering the economy unnecessarily? I suppose on-line businesses like Amazon etc. benefit, but that is all a bit ‘X Files’.
All in all, a very depressing afternoon and evening and although 47, I cried my eyes out. I can’t take much more of this. Life was a daily struggle before all this crap, but now, with most of my treatments suspended etc. as well, and living alone, it is Hell. If any of you Sceptics live in or near Chesterfield, it would be nice to know.

272411 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to JASA, 35, #1192 of 1943 🔗

Goodness me. It’s hard to find the words, JASA, and I have so much empathy as a fellow singleton, keen walker and natural confrontation-phobe.

The one crumb of comfort that I take to bed with me every night is the certainty, of which I was never surer, that we and our fellow sceptics are going to turn out to be on the right side of this. It’s a long way from being over, but there are more and more of us every day.

272594 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Now More Than Ever, #1193 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. It will end soon, surely.

272634 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to JASA, 1, #1194 of 1943 🔗

Every day I have to tell myself “Don’t let the bas**Ed’s grind you down” it’s what they want! I go on here several times a day and it’s where I get all my info from I can’t bear to watch read MSM anymore.
In the forums there is a Derbyshire sceptics group you could perhaps get in touch with? Best wishes .

272645 ▶▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Sodastream, #1195 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. Yes, this site is my newspaper. I’ll have a look at the group you mention. All the best.

272413 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JASA, 18, #1196 of 1943 🔗

Poor you. The cleverer they are usually means that they are so clever that NOBODY could possible be right when they go against the covid cult’s narrative. They are so clever that they have formulated thier opinions on covids based on the bullshit that comes out of MSM and due to their excessive cleverness they have managed to stitch together their infallible view of the world.

As for the muppet on the path. I can think of a few things I would have said to him and he wouldn’t of liked any of them.

Hopefully the sun will come out soon., not long now until the days get longer.
The regieme is crumbling the covid cultists will look in every way like the brainwashed fools they are soon enough.

We are right, they are just full of shit.

272588 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Two-Six, #1197 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. Yes that is very true, but also it is because I am the little brother. As each day goes by, I am more certain that we are right and this will end soon, yet it goes on and on.

272595 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JASA, #1198 of 1943 🔗

My little brother is like your big brother, just the same. Exactly, he is one clever chap too.

272638 ▶▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Two-Six, #1199 of 1943 🔗

I did better at university though, which helped my confidence, a first and PhD and in chemistry and not law. My father is a retired judge and my other brother is a barrister. I have been cross examined most of my life. It may explain some of my anxiety issues. My other brother isn’t quite a full on sceptic, but more sceptic than not.

272418 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to JASA, 5, #1200 of 1943 🔗

sorry to hear that Jasa, its hard to understand when you don’t give a **** about most people, they can say what they want to me and then they’ll have to accept my reply, I’m beyond caring. Doctors and in fact all people are that way, even builders that come into your house, complain about what the person before did, all wrong, full of moans. Doctors generally live in the miserable side of life, whereas if you’re in say, the hospitality or media you see the lighter side of life. We can only hope this ridiculous state ends and we see the traitors shoved off somewhere to think about what they’ve done.

272580 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1201 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. I wish I was more like that. I’m no snowflake, people can criticise, but it is the confrontation that causes a meltdown. Yes, this nonsense has to end soon, surely.

272421 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JASA, 9, #1202 of 1943 🔗

I am so sorry you’re having such a hard time. If I lived anywhere near the UK at all I’d love to socialize with you. I really hope you find some sceptic companionship very soon! Nobody here judges anyone who wears a mask under duress when, for them, the alternative is worse. Because I don’t live alone and my husband does all the shopping, I am able to avoid mask wearing almost all the time. I wonder if you could get groceries delivered or bagged for you to pick up without going into the store? I would do that if my husband didn’t do the shopping. If I were you I would continue to get fresh air and take walks outside but refrain from engaging anyone in a mask in conversation of any kind. It’ll rarely end well. I try to avoid making eye contact altogether with anyone wearing a mask, particularly outdoors. They are not worthy of your attention. As for family members, avoid any Covid-related conversation if at all possible. This many months into insanity everyone has dug in and almost nobody will be swayed, so there’s no point trying to argue facts and logic with someone who is operating from their reptilian brain. I wish I could be of more help, but at least you know that here you are among friends.

272568 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1203 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. I will certainly continue to go for walks. Apart from seeing my son, it is the one thing keeping the flame of sanity flickering. I find your posts really interesting and getting the view from Canada.

272930 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to JASA, #1204 of 1943 🔗

Forget that guy on the path…he was a brainwashed moron…I hope he starts walking near me!

272436 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JASA, 13, #1205 of 1943 🔗

Sorry to hear of your experiences.

Tell your brother to have a chat with Lord Sumption.

272501 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #1206 of 1943 🔗

Yes, and see if he can find out what has happened to the Dolan Judgment!

Jasa, keep your spirits up if you can. Everyone on this supports you to the hilt.

272562 ▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to charleyfarley, 3, #1207 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. It is greatly appreciated. All the comments have really helped.

272559 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1208 of 1943 🔗

Yes indeed. I can’t understand why my brother has taken the view he has.

272446 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to JASA, 12, #1209 of 1943 🔗

I’m sorry you had such a horrible day. I can’t bear dealing with the outdoor zombies either. I’ve realised that the PTSD I thought I’d resolved a decade ago is getting triggered all the time. I was attacked by someone whose face I couldn’t see so people in masks tricks my mind into thinking that I’m about to be attacked again.

I think confrontation is really hard for people with autism and and those of us with complex PTSD, so I sympathise completely. You’re right about those of us with vulnerabilities having to protect ourselves from these confrontations. There is nothing wrong with wearing a mask in a shop to protect yourself from unwarranted abuse. I use an exemption card when I ride the bus and that has stopped almost all the abuse.

The lack of compassion by mask fanatics is astounding. They’ll call people “selfish” at the drop of a hat, but do not actually care about other people and their needs. I know you can’t see us, but there are so many people hear who understand and care about your needs as a human being. That’s why we’re here.

I haven’t been able to set foot in a shop since July because of the mask requirement. I can’t wear a mask myself, again for reasons linked to the attempt on my life. Fortunately, I’m able to shop entirely online, but I know that isn’t possible for everyone.

I used to live in Chesterfield! I wish I did still for your sake, but I’m down on the south coast these days. Hopefully, someone else lives closer or there’s some other way you can get support from people here.

272555 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #1210 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. What makes the mask situation worse for me, is I so don’t want to wear one. All these comments I have got today on the site from my initial posting has really helped.

272452 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JASA, 16, #1211 of 1943 🔗

I have to protect myself from confrontation”

That’s fine. A lot of people are doing precisely the same thing, even if they don’t believe in it.

As to your confrontations – hold on to the fact that, despite your underlying conditions, it is you that has avoided the brainwashing – the most widespread health problem of all at the moment. Don’t let the unbalanced pull you down.

272548 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to RickH, 2, #1212 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. Life feels so unreal at the moment.

272631 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JASA, #1213 of 1943 🔗

It’s supposed to feel like that. It’s a Psy-op.

272490 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to JASA, 7, #1214 of 1943 🔗

JASA. I know you had a bad walking experience today but walking is so good for mental health, so I urge you to give it another go. Walking groups are allowed to operate so that could be an option. If I lived a bit nearer I would come and drag you off to the hills myself.

272549 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Bumble, 3, #1215 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. I go out for walks regularly. I will continue to do so. The moron loud mouth just ruined that walk for me.

272493 ▶▶ Disbelief, replying to JASA, 5, #1216 of 1943 🔗

We have truth on our side.
We will win.
Don’t give up.

May the road rise up to meet you.

272541 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Disbelief, 1, #1217 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. I can’t wait until we do.

272534 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JASA, 3, #1218 of 1943 🔗

Sorry to hear this. I’m about the same age as you and I, too, have always disliked confrontation. Last year I decided to do something about this, and joined a krav-maga (unarmed combat) class. Not only is it good exercise but it’s also good at learning how to ‘descalate’ confrontations and what to do in the last resort when violence is unavoidable. Unfortunately for obvious reasons it’s not possible at the moment, but it’s something to bear in mind for the future (and there are online video tutorials etc).

272539 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1219 of 1943 🔗

Thank you for your reply. It’s a good place for comfort this site.

272616 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JASA, 2, #1220 of 1943 🔗

Can you do online shopping? It really helps if you can avoid maskholes.

Get yourself some nice food and drink in and try to forget about the crazy world out there. It is the time for hibernation anyway.

Get out early in the sunshine when its there, most people you meet will be just fine. Zombies hang out in town centres and shops. Avoid.

The sheeple have been totally brainwashed and lied too constantly. The lies will fail to stamp up for much longer. The brainwashed idiots need to be de-programmed now, hence the vaccine.
The government can’t keep this shit up for much longer. Their narrative is crumbling.

272546 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to JASA, 5, #1221 of 1943 🔗

You know JASA this is what I call the petty tyranny of the minority because it is petty. It is very very easy to get ground down by these people but it’s mot worth it because they are like this about every adpect of their lives and that of others. Always sanctimonious always complaining always pointing the finger. They won’t change. They poison everything that is good in life. Don’t let them. You deserve a lot better. I know you are experiencing emotional trauma at the moment and even I have to make an effory every day to stay positive and fight and I am a very happy strong person but, please make the effort to wake up every day and find something however small that is good or positive and build on that. I made a decision years ago to ditch these type of acquaintances they drag u down to the petty negatives of their own POV. Ignore them. Walk on by and don’t engage in these discussions. Don’t give them 2nd thought. You are worth 10 of them.

272621 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1222 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. Yes, I should just have carried on, thinking that he had commented on the lovely sunset. That would have annoyed the hell out of him. But really, we were in miles and miles of open countryside and why should I have waited for him? He could equally have waited for me. He was the one who was worried, not me.

272658 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JASA, 1, #1223 of 1943 🔗

I understand 100%. Sending hugs and love.

The media is committing crimes against humanity combined with human stupidity, which is dragging us into an abyss

272661 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Ben, 1, #1224 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. Much appreciated. Love and all the best to you too.

272716 ▶▶ Sue, replying to JASA, #1225 of 1943 🔗

I share your pain Jasa but we all have to look toward the sunlight for a ray of hope that this will end. Keep walking and ignore all forms of masked zombies. If i was anywhere near chesterfield I’d come and join you.
Stay strong mate – tomorrow is another day.

272756 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Sue, #1226 of 1943 🔗

Hi Sue, thank you. Best wishes to you.

272774 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to JASA, #1227 of 1943 🔗

I am very sorry you’re having such a hard time, JASA. I very much empathise. I live alone and I have very few opportunities to talk to anyone who shares my perception of the madness that has overtaken our culture.
Hang in there. Everyone on this site, no matter what our particular analysis of the causes of the madness, shares your view of the desperate state of our world.

272840 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Alethea, #1228 of 1943 🔗

Hello Alethea. Thank you so much. All the replies that I have had have been great. I’m so glad that I posted again. It would be so good to put faces to people. It is just so shocking how taken in some people seem to be and how unaware they are of the suffering of so many people as a result of this madness. I hope you are okay. All the best.

272923 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to JASA, #1229 of 1943 🔗

I wish I was near you but I am in Shropshire. So far 3 people have chastised me for not wearing a mask but they were well despatched. I wish I could go into the supermarket with you and deal with anyone who had a go at you. I grew up on the same Manchester council estate as the Gallaghers so I grew up with confrontation and fights so I actually enjoy dealing with them. I do very much sympathise with your predicament though.

272979 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Borisbullshit, #1230 of 1943 🔗

Thank you. That would be good. Just watching some of the scenes from the demonstration in London. It is like a nightmare. The police have turned against us. How anyone can still believe this is just about a virus is beyond me. It’s all very surreal and scary. It’s not going to end well.

272389 chris, replying to chris, 2, #1231 of 1943 🔗

Pubs….serve a substantial meal….dont eat it…recycle

272408 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to chris, 12, #1232 of 1943 🔗

It also doesn’t say you have to eat all of the meal yourself. So buy one meal for everyone in the pub. Everyone gets a chip, leave a chip on the plate so it isn’t finished. The get the beers in

272465 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to chris, 4, #1233 of 1943 🔗

I had a similar idea. I went to Japan a few years ago and many restaurants have plastic mock ups of meals in the window to help with selection. Wet pubs could just mock up meals, real or plastic and lay them on tables for show purposes. Covid would then know to keep well away, as would the stasi and gestapo.

272518 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Bumble, #1234 of 1943 🔗

Must be a lot of deep frozen airline food going cheap…

272525 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bumble, 1, #1235 of 1943 🔗

Just been in touch with landlord of village pub about this. Apparently the ‘substantial meal’ rule is only for food serving pubs. Wet (non food serving) pubs can’t just hand out slices of pizza etc as they have to have all the certificates for food safety etc.

272764 ▶▶ Edward, replying to chris, #1236 of 1943 🔗

A large bowl of fruit would be ideal.

272393 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 30, #1237 of 1943 🔗

I don’t understand the need for a vaccine when all you have to do to not get the “virus” is to eat a substantial meal.

272434 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Hubes, 4, #1238 of 1943 🔗

But you’re using logic, that’s wrong!

272755 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Hubes, #1239 of 1943 🔗

Well as we know, morbid obesity has a protective effect against the covids… oh, wait

272397 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 26, #1240 of 1943 🔗

We all know here that SARS-cov2 was taken off the High consequence infectious disease list on March 19th. All the public health bodies of the U.K. plus the Advisory committee on dangerous pathogens agreed that it should be removed because mortality was low.

It appears that Hancock never told MPs this fact. My MP was unaware of it.

If this is such a dangerous disease, as the government and scientists would have us believe, then why eight months later hasn’t it been put back on the list?

272433 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Margaret, 7, #1241 of 1943 🔗

I told my MP this fact months ago, and all I got was a copy and paste reply about exponential growth blah blah. Complete idiot and incapable of thinking for himself.

272399 mjr, replying to mjr, 13, #1242 of 1943 🔗

french protests against Global Security Bill still ongoing and getting tasty. Nothing to do with lockdown / masks.
However i wonder if MSM and BBC will conflate the two and report the violence in Paris as being anti lockdown.

272404 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 5, #1243 of 1943 🔗

whilst of course ignoring the peaceful protests in london

272400 Bill Gisz, replying to Bill Gisz, 9, #1244 of 1943 🔗

Thinking about the policing of protest.

272457 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bill Gisz, #1245 of 1943 🔗

Bit of a shame about the spelling mistake (bit of a pedant, sorry!)

272531 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CGL, #1246 of 1943 🔗

Typo?

272409 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 8, #1247 of 1943 🔗

Over a century and half ago, Frederic Bastiat wrote an essay called “What you see and what you don’t see” often referred to as the Broken Window Fallacy.

His point was that spending money to fix things that are broken has a natural level in a functioning economy. But intentionally increasing the level of destruction is no way to run an economy.

272455 ▶▶ Biker, replying to mhcp, 3, #1248 of 1943 🔗

It only works if the person fixing the window is being paid by a willing customer and if the window in the first place was put their by an individual and not the state. Anything the state does costs money taken with force and kills the economy

272420 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #1249 of 1943 🔗

THIS!! Former special Constable RESIGNS from policing and explains why. Every word! I just pray this is taken seriously. We need the current Home Secretary to be removed from office IMMEDIATELY!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-i-can-no-longer-police-the-coronavirus-restrictions

272423 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1250 of 1943 🔗

Is it behind a paywall?

272426 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1251 of 1943 🔗

click the reload button and hit escape a few times you can bypass the paywall

272430 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1252 of 1943 🔗

thanks

272586 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Dan Clarke, #1253 of 1943 🔗

If you use Chrome or Brave, the Disable Javascript extension allows you to disable JavaScript on a per-website basis. Many paywalls only work when JavaScript is enabled.

272450 ▶▶ Biker, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1254 of 1943 🔗

Don’t worry another blood sucking socialist collectivist will take their place

272451 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1255 of 1943 🔗

I posted this earlier on my fb feed – for all the good it will do.

272424 Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #1256 of 1943 🔗

Bobs: Moran, with acknowledgement to Monkhouse

272768 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, #1257 of 1943 🔗

Lol!

272425 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 47, #1258 of 1943 🔗

I watched a bit of the London protest live earlier. That kind of policing has no place in any society.

They’ve just completely eroded any trust and cooperation with public that they still had left.

I don’t know where things go from here.

272440 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Old Normal, 17, #1259 of 1943 🔗

If I was a Chief Constable (assume a competent one rather than Lady Muck), I’d be really worried that intelligent people might start asking about the spare resources and lack of real competence on display at demonstrations like this.

272448 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, -3, #1260 of 1943 🔗

If you were Chief Constable you’d still be taking cash from my pocket to pay your wages. Holy shit boy you live in a never ending world of other peoples money. If you’ve got a Subscribe Star tell me and i’ll give you the money right out of my pocket and save the other socialist government tool collecting it before giving it to you.

272460 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, 1, #1261 of 1943 🔗

Got anything to actually say, Biker? Or is posturing babble your native language?

272483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, 21, #1262 of 1943 🔗

Bro, now we’re getting some where. “Have i got something to say” Let me see, yeah i’ve got something to say. Lets start by stopping the lockdown and open up society just as it was before. After that lets dismantle the government until all that’s left is the police the courts and the army. Then we’ll have bill of rights enshrining in law that every man has the right to pursue a life they want so long as you do know harm to others.
All the rest of it is doing my head in.
I’ve been on this site from the very first day and we all go round the houses saying the same shit over and over again getting fucking nowhere. You and i both know it’s horse shit all i’m doing is trying to find new, entertaining ways of saying it. I might not be funny, i might be full of shit, i may even be a wanker but honestly who cares.
Keep on doing whatever it is you’re doing in the fight against the tyranny and i’ll keep doing what i’m doing and maybe between us we’ll get to the other side. Who knows but it’s no fun any more. It’s shit. I’m tired of all the moaning and the what if’s. I don’t mean really to be insulting but i just can’t stand socialists

272947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, #1263 of 1943 🔗

At last a better post…well done! But not all socialists are bad and I am not one.

272512 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Old Normal, 10, #1264 of 1943 🔗

I wonder how many officers actually joined up for this? Not many I hope. I hope they would rather be chasing proper criminals, drug barons, burglars, conmen, rapists etc but no, they have to strongly enforce normal, peaceful people demanding their just rights. I half wish that some of the black protesters had yelled out “take the knee” because they would have really struggled to know what to do.

272442 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1265 of 1943 🔗

I’m guessing that MP’s everywhere have been promised that the new normal will be positive for them, they don’t believe in Then they Came for the Politicians.

272470 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1266 of 1943 🔗

In their vanity they believe they are part of the elite.If there is no democracy there is no need for delegates of the people,maybe they need to be reminded of that.

272486 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #1267 of 1943 🔗

pity they don’t realise they are as indispensable as the rest of us to the global elite, who will swat these minor irritants away without a thought.

272523 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #1268 of 1943 🔗

Common topic of discussion between myself and Mrs C. Do these 650 and all the local mayors, county and town councillors really believe there is a place for them at the top table? Doubt it!

Krankie is the same, bullshitting that she would be at the top table when an independent Scotland rejoins the EU. “Hey, Nicola, you’ve got 6 MEPs, love! That’s 6, out of over 700!”

272462 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #1269 of 1943 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/horrifying-future-wefs-vision-post-covid-world

This 31-page document reads like a blueprint on how to “execute” – because an execution (or implementation) would be – “Covid-19 – The Great Reset” (July 2020), by Klaus Schwab , founder and CEO (since the foundation of the WEF in 1974) and his associate Thierry Malleret .

They call “Resetting the Future” a White Paper, meaning it’s not quite a final version. It is a draft of sorts, a trial balloon, to measure people’s reactions. It reads indeed like an executioner’s tale. Many people may not read it – have no awareness of its existence. If they did, they would go up in arms and fight this latest totalitarian blueprint, offered to the world by the WEF.
It promises a horrifying future to some 80%-plus of the (surviving) population. George Orwell’s “1984” reads like a benign fantasy, as compared to what the WEF has in mind for humanity”

272557 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to calchas, 1, #1270 of 1943 🔗

we need an alternative “Great Reset”. Back in 1944 there was only one great reset on the table and that was arguably, and for the West only, the Bretton Woods agreement.

272464 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 30, #1271 of 1943 🔗

I don’t normally post the scummy Edinburgh live articles, but I am going to post this one, as the story & comments boil my piss!!

I have also commented on the comments section, I expect a backlash from the brainwashed sheep or to be banned.

Story here

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/huge-group-50-students-gather-19364250#comments-section

My comment

“See all you people who comment against the people in the article, I personally think that if you people want to stay indoors, hiding behind your sofa because of the common flu virus, you should do just that & let the rest of the normal people who can see right through this utter nonsense “virus” get on with their normal life’s.
Did any of you care about people dying this time last year? I am willing to be that you didn’t even bat an eyelid at that.
This is a scam, the government have taken away livelihoods, freedoms, ruined the economy & the very fabric of life as we knew it & yet, the majority of brainwashed people are just swallowing it all!!
What about people who have had their cancer treatment cancelled because of all of this?
The world has always had viruses since time began, but it has never ever stopped because of it.
& before anyone comments about the nhs being “overwhelmed” this is also utter nonsense, it never was overwhelmed in the first place & it will not be overwhelmed going forward.
Let life return to normal, if people want to be scared of the common flu virus, then by all means be scared, but don’t take the rest of the people with you”

272497 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #1272 of 1943 🔗

Brilliant summing up of “my freedom does not end where your fear begins”.

272684 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #1273 of 1943 🔗

Exactly Fiona.
I also wrote another comment on that above mentioned article,

I said this

“Are people dying in the street when you look out of your window?….no they are not.
Are people dying because their vital treatment for say, cancer, has been suspended because of this severe over reaction to the common flu virus, yes they are.
But hey, as long as we all save a granny’s life, who cares about these other people eh?
Look beyond the scaremongering main stream media & the facts are there for all to see, this is NOT what it is made out to be.
The utter hypocrisy of people is unbelievable, people who fought & died for the freedoms & liberties that we had will be turning in their graves at this outrageous over reaction to the common flu virus.
The sooner all you sheep wake up to this, the better”

But, it has now got “content disabled” beside it.

The truth gets censored eh.

272466 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 22, #1274 of 1943 🔗

Quite telling that – very unusually for the Mail – comments are not allowed on the article about the London protests.

272671 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to leggy, #1276 of 1943 🔗

I didn’t realise that as soon as you finish your meal the restaurant is expected to turf you out.Another recipe for conflict

272469 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 32, #1277 of 1943 🔗

I have real concerns about the policing from the TSG in London

There seems to be no understanding that people feel aggrieved about having their freedoms taken away

Females pinned down by ten male officers, what is that all about?

In the short term swinging batons and going in hard works. It’s immediate effect is that the streets are cleared

We saw this in 1969 with the civil rights movement in Northern Ireland. The ‘B’ Specials attacked people with impunity

That resentment went underground

People are resourceful so they decided not to take on the police when the police had the upper hand, but to choose their moment

I am not advocating violence. I am opposed to violence

Anyone who thinks they can control a country by swinging batons is risking the threat of escalation

272485 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 47, #1278 of 1943 🔗

I’ll be giving my full report tomorrow, just returned to my car prior to a 6 hour drive. Met were waiting for us and have changed their tactics. We will be changing ours.

As usual, lockdown protestors showed restraint. Have heard about coaches turned back at service stations and police trying to prevent people boarding London bound trains.

The time has come to up the ante against the tin pot regime and its apologists.

Full report will follow tomorrow.

272487 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1279 of 1943 🔗

Thanks, that will be helpful. Safe drive home.

272494 ▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1280 of 1943 🔗

Look forward to hearing more tomorrow.

272495 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1281 of 1943 🔗

Thank you Nick, just gutted I couldn’t be there this time.

272504 ▶▶▶ Salopian, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1282 of 1943 🔗

Well done for turning our
We need a secure communication group to do that

272508 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1283 of 1943 🔗

Great Stuff Nick!

272524 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1284 of 1943 🔗

Well done Nick for putting yourself on the front line. That is what it will take. I’ve been at a couple of protests in Edinburgh but the police were pretty calm and didn’t do anything.

272800 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Nick Rose, #1285 of 1943 🔗

Well, safe drive.

We really are up against some serious shit.

Preventing people lawfully boarding trains and impeding lawful progress of coaches! This is genuinely very serious stuff.

I don’t know about others, but I’m not in a great place financially at the moment but would love to join the protests, the cost of travelling to London is really not something I can do by car or train.

For the future, is there is a reasonably priced coach I probably could manage to travel on – just would need to know where it might be going from and the cost?

272607 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1286 of 1943 🔗

Over a million people marched against the Iraq war.It achieved nothing.Peaceful protest will achieve nothing.Violence has always worked against the British establishment.

272869 ▶▶▶ Salopian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1287 of 1943 🔗

But the protesters were not attacked as the government were not seriously worried by the dissent then .
They are this time ,hence the police bullying so keep up all protests .

272920 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Cecil B, #1288 of 1943 🔗

Violence against fascist enforcers is justified.

In fact, it is a duty.

272472 garrymitchell, replying to garrymitchell, 5, #1289 of 1943 🔗

At what point does my frequently emailing my MP with pertinent questions become treated as harrassment / stalking etc? I have emailed him 5 times in 8 weeks and feel a burst of activity is imminent this week!

272491 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to garrymitchell, 7, #1290 of 1943 🔗

I wondered that, 3 emails and so far only a reply to the 1st so potentially blocked already. One things for sure is that I will do everything in my power to make sure they lose their seat.

272499 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1291 of 1943 🔗

I’m trying more of a scattergun approach. Complaining to BBC for example over Covid bias/inaccuracies. It won’t change the way they think but it will tie up their resources.

272513 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1292 of 1943 🔗

They barely read them and see complaints against their coverage as a badge of honour. Source: I sat over their shoulders many times as they skim read the emails

272626 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jakehadlee, 2, #1293 of 1943 🔗

Oh I realise that! I have no illusions that my complaints will alter Beeboid thinking. But unless they have some AI system that does it for them, every complaint, I assume, must be checked and if that is the case, then it is worth complaining just to tie up their manpower.

272503 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to garrymitchell, 4, #1294 of 1943 🔗

It doesn’t. You are the constituent he represents you. You are entitled to full responses. It’s job.

272618 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to garrymitchell, 1, #1295 of 1943 🔗

I send loads of emails. Most recently about covid, sewage in rivers and the daft windmill plans. Also a quote from Mrs T about freedom. I always get well thought out replies.

273103 ▶▶ garrymitchell, replying to garrymitchell, #1296 of 1943 🔗

Thanks for all of your replies – I got an automated response for the first email then nothing for subsequent ones so suspect my email address is blocked – I’ll have to try alternative ones. I did use the Peter Hitchens tactic of telling him he was useless and not earning his substantial salary in the 2nd email!

272478 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #1297 of 1943 🔗

I see Australia have ruined their economy too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55081684

272528 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 12, #1298 of 1943 🔗

But things are slowly turning around. On Friday, Melbourne and the state of Victoria achieved one measure of “elimination” of the virus – 28 consecutive days with no new infections. After seeing daily cases soar above 700 in July and August, the city is seen as an example for the rest of the world on how to handle a second outbreak .”

Only by idiots and BBC journos. But I repeat myself.

Let’s see, Nov/Dec in Australia would be the equivalent of May/June here. Let’s see how they like trying to keep it out when their winter comes round and any Tom, Dick or Wong entering the country could kick off another panic. And that’s assuming it isn’t lurking somewhere waiting to rebound indigenously.

272593 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mark, 2, #1299 of 1943 🔗

What sort of testing are they doing? Are they mass testing or just testing symptomatic people? I can’t see how they could possibly achieve 28 consecutive days with no positives if they are using the same criteria as we are. Surely they would at least be finding a handful of false positives?

272608 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1300 of 1943 🔗

My guess would be they retest positives until they come out negative.

272582 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #1301 of 1943 🔗

Just read the artcle on Melbourne and found it utterly depressing (it’s my former home). So much harm for such a previously vibrant place and all for 800 deaths out of about 7 mill population in the state of Victoria. And I do believe it was the same situation as always and that there were a decent number of care home deaths and people with existing health problems (correct me if I am wrong). It sounds like the population is depressed and some quite traumatised now and a huge amount of unemployment to follow. And then as you say, what is going to happen when there is that one new case…

273021 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Suzyv, 1, #1302 of 1943 🔗

People who lived undet their marshall law and it was extremely brutal would be quite seriously traumatised i would think

272479 Telpin, replying to Telpin, #1303 of 1943 🔗

Just reading comments now. What happened with the protests?

272529 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Telpin, 27, #1304 of 1943 🔗

Personal view: At 12 King’s Cross was full of robocops. I met three ladies who were giving out yellow smiley badges – they had a message that the protest was moving to Angel, so I joined them. We walked together for a while and talked – they seemed very optimistic and full of enthusiasm. One of them said that the army would never – never! act against us (I didn’t say anything, but I have my doubts). Then they got another message – the protest was moving to Marble Arch. I must confess I suddenly felt totally exhausted – physically, emotionally and mentally. I realised that resistance was probably futile. And I decided to go home. Sorry for being pessimistic today – the weather was cold and foggy, I didn’t have enough sleep, and I’m 65.

272650 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Alice, 3, #1305 of 1943 🔗

Don’t apologize! You’re a real trooper.

272688 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1306 of 1943 🔗

Thank you – your comment made me feel a lot better.

272676 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Alice, 4, #1307 of 1943 🔗

Bravo Alice for going – you did your bit for cause! I went to my first ever protest a couple of weeks ago and it rained but was really good spirit and felt i had to attend.
Have a glass of wine and relax tonight!

272686 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Sue, 4, #1308 of 1943 🔗

Thank you – I felt bit of a failure for going back, but I couldn’t help it. I don’t drink wine, but I had a large mug of bullion to warm up.

272849 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Alice, 1, #1309 of 1943 🔗

Not a failure. A hero representing all of us here who couldn’t be there with you.

272885 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Alice, 1, #1310 of 1943 🔗

don’t feel a failure – feel proud! These protests can be overwhelming with the volume of people if you’re on your own, and the police in such numbers with aggressive tactics. But’s that their strategy to put people off from going on the marches.
Anyway have a good night’s sleep and you’ll be able to reflect tomorrow.

272719 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Alice, 2, #1311 of 1943 🔗

Thank you for being there Alice and I hope you sleep well tonight

272481 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #1312 of 1943 🔗

At long last they are giving Vitamin D to vulnerable people though the dosage sounds too low and they claim it won’t help against the virus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55108613

272584 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #1313 of 1943 🔗

So why are they doing it then, if they think it won’t help?

272647 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to A. Contrarian, #1314 of 1943 🔗

Probably so they can call Vit D supplementation a failure and push the vaccine as the saviour of humankind.

272681 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1315 of 1943 🔗

For the same reason they did a test using Hydroxychloroquine at the wrong dose – they can turn around and claim it does not work.

272643 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1316 of 1943 🔗

400 units is not even close to what is needed. I take 8,000 units per day which is what I need just to get my Vit D blood levels to normal, and if you don’t take a good quality D (not pills) along with Vit K2, you won’t get much benefit. So of course they’ll give people far too low a dose, use low quality Vit D and combine it with K2 and then call the whole thing a failure.

272482 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 31, #1317 of 1943 🔗

I’ve drafted this to email my MP. I’m hoping she gest the idea that I’m pretty pissed off.

I’ve inserted the NHS Covid deaths by age & pre-existing conditions.

Dear Ms Dodds

The table below is published by the NHS on a weekly basis and shows the total number of deaths since this pandemic began by age and to people with and without pre-existing conditions.

You will note that just over 1700 people of all ages without pre-existing conditions have died, 661 of whom were over 80.

Whilst this is obviously tragic for the loved ones of those involved, it is a very small number given that the entire population of the UK is approximately 67 million people.

Furthermore, and for context, nearly 1500 people died every day in the UK in 2019 (source: ONS) and yet hitherto, we have not imposed “lockdown” and/or any other such draconian measures on the population.

The actions of this Government, with the Labour party’s wholehearted and baying support, are an absolute outrage.

Your actions are costing more lives lost due to other conditions going untreated (just for cancer alone, Cancer Research UK estimate 350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred), innumerable livelihoods and, as mentioned, the most draconian removal of our civil liberties that this country has ever seen.

We, the electorate, will not forget what both the Conservative and Labour parties together have done and you should be under no illusion that if you destroy the jobs of others, don’t expect to keep your seat. The decimation of the Labour party in Scotland should be a salutary lesson to all sitting MPs.

As a constituent, I look forward to your response with great interest.

Yours sincerely

272498 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #1318 of 1943 🔗

Absolutely brilliant.

272514 ▶▶ Seamonster, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #1319 of 1943 🔗

Agreed. Top letter.

272527 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Seamonster, 1, #1320 of 1943 🔗

Thanks Seamonster and Jo.

272566 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 11, #1321 of 1943 🔗

Send them this as a foot note:
I didn’t write this BTW but its a great collection of facts that will make you MP look like a proper Charlie.
********************
The first lockdown has achieved:

·      25 million GP appointments lost ( source: Care Quality Commission )
·      3 million people backlog for cancer screening (source: Cancer Research UK)
·      350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred ( source: Cancer Research UK )
·      986,000 women not screened for breast cancer ( source: Breast Cancer Now )
·      Nearly 2 million waiting > 18 weeks for planned surgery, such as knee and hip operations (source: NHS England)
·      111,026 patients waiting > 1 year for treatment ( source: NHS England )
·      MD and cataracts have gone untreated leaving patients at risk of sight loss
·      Waiting lists in general for the NHS are at an all-time high

Sooner or later, everyone , will be impacted by these backlogs, whether its them, their husband, wife, mother, father, sister, brother, boyfriend, girlfriend, uncle, aunt, child or grandchild who needs treatment and joins the back of these queues.

Then there’s societal/other health problems:

·      1 in 10 mental health patients has been waiting 6 months for help ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Number of people drinking at ‘high risk levels’ doubled since February – now 8.5 million ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Just over 1 in 10 of over 70,000 surveyed had suicidal thoughts or thoughts of self-harm during the first week of lockdown ( source: Samaritans )
·      calls to domestic abuse helplines surge ( source: Refuge – For Women & Children Against Violence )
·      Off-licence alcohol sales are up 24.2% with beer sales up 66% ( source: Kantar)
·      48% of UK respondents increased alcohol consumption and 54% increased drinking frequency ( source: Institute of Alcohol Studies / Global Drug Survey Special Edition )
·      750,000 jobs lost March-August (source: ONS)
·      11,120 chain store outlets closed January-June ( source: Local Data Company and PwC )
·      45% of businesses have less than six months cash reserves or none ( source: ONS)
·      673,000 fewer workers were on payroll in August compared with March 2020 ( source: ONS )
·      Record fall in GDP (21.8%) during first half of 2020, greater than France, Italy, Canada, Germany, US and Japan ( source: ONS)
·      Public borrowing of £173.7 billion in the first five months of the pandemic – more than triple all borrowing for entire previous year [£56.6 billion] ( source: ONS )
·      UK national debt at record high >£2 trillion for first time ever (source: ONS)
·      33% of adults reported high levels of anxiety (source: ONS)
·      Charities face £12.4 drop (source: Chartered Institute of Fundraising (IoF) and the Charity Finance Group (CFG))
·      Graduates less likely to find work/internships: 49% of small and medium sized businesses have cancelled internships or work experience, whilst 29% of larger firms have (source: The Sutton Trust)

272492 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 18, #1322 of 1943 🔗

The NHS is reeling from not being ‘overwhelmed’ and not being allowed to let the media in to their hospitals, as they do each year, to see their virtue signalling.

272500 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Dan Clarke, 23, #1323 of 1943 🔗

I cannot believe what is being done in the name of this outdated, crap healthcare system whose outcomes are routinely amongst the worst in the developed world – that’s not just me saying it, they are literally assessed by the OECD and come out near bottom/on a par with countries like Slovenia for survival rates for cancers.

It is beyond appalling that we are destroying lives, livelihoods, our whole economy for an institution. Literally unbelievable if we weren’t seeing it with our own eyes.

272505 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 5, #1324 of 1943 🔗

Maybe that’s just another virtue signalling excuse and they are doing it for another reason or Agenda

272597 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1325 of 1943 🔗

What are the excuses that other governments are using.It would be intresting to know.Im sure other countries do not have an almost religious devotion to its healthcare providers.

272882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1326 of 1943 🔗

We seem to be like that about a lot of things including the nhs, a lot of it is, yes but we’ve got ……….

272605 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 7, #1327 of 1943 🔗

I lived in Hungary for a while and my experience of their healthcare system was as good as the NHS if not better. Certainly no worse. There’ s this ludicrous idea that there are only two types of healthcare system in the world – Our Wonderful NHS versus the Evil USA, where people die in the streets due to lack of socialised medicine. Whereas most countries in the world have some sort of hybrid system which works reasonably well.

272625 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1328 of 1943 🔗

The German insurance-based system works very well – you can see a specialist without a referral, and there are no long waiting list for routine procedures, even now.

272786 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1329 of 1943 🔗

It’s the apotheosis of the NHS that is nauseating. It’s an organisation which we are required to support through taxation. Over time, it has developed complicated and sclerotic structures that are self supporting and do not put the best outcome for the patient at the centre of what they do.

Everything is designed around the fiefdoms of individual empire builders.

Like any organisation, some of the people who work there will be exceptional, some will be competent, some will be lazy and inefficient. That’s life.

From my personal experience, when my wife was taken ill in Spain, she saw a doctor at a health centre within an hour of me phoning. I then took her to hospital and within three hours she had had a consultation, an x-ray, an ultrasound scan, been diagnosed (happily nothing serious) and given an antibiotic. Over here, she’d have had to try to get an appt with her GP, a referral to a hospital, a referral for a scan, then a bit later a diagnosis. If it took less than two weeks to find out what was wrong, that would be rapid.

The problem now is that it has become utterly impossible to have a realistic, adult discussion or public debate about how the NHS is structured and funded, or suggest that things could and should be done better. The stock answer is always that it needs more money and any suggestion of its inefficiency is tantamount to treason.

Further, Covid will only cement this idea of the NHS as an heroic organisation, similar to International Rescue in Thunderbirds. No politician has the will, the stamina or the endurance to tackle the necessary reforms. After all, our leaders are prepared to sacrifice
our freedoms, our lives, our livelihoods; to saddle our children with crippling debt and bequeath them a depressed and dingy country. For the sole reason of preventing hospitals being ‘overwhelmed’ between now and 31 March.

Perspective?

272860 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Al T, #1330 of 1943 🔗

Its a monstrous messy white elephant. The convoluted devotion that some people have for a very mediocre institution has been nudged the same way the virus has. People don’t spend much time thinking about the propaganda, clapping in the streets was just something ‘everyone was doing’, made them feel part of something, yes they probably will accept what they are told, that the NHS saved the day, unfortunately

272931 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Al T, 1, #1331 of 1943 🔗

My thoughts exactly. Somebody (not sure who) wrote that the NHS is now what the CofE was about 60 years ago. Even if you didn’t believe in it, you didn’t criticise it because it was an unassailable part of what it meant to be English. On a related note, I lived in Hungary for a while and over there if you have a specific problem (eg, a skin condition) you can go straight to a skin specialist without referral from your GP. Saves an awful lot of time.

272981 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Al T, 1, #1332 of 1943 🔗

It is the new national religion and a calm rational analysis of it cannot be conducted. I had to do some research on health care systems a long time ago and yes the NHS can be ok but it can also be terribly negligent…its a luck of the draw. Some people in it are great,some are very poor indeed. But overall there are systems that do better and these are often in left of centre countries. The Dutch and Swiss systems come out very well and use social insurance.

272502 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #1333 of 1943 🔗

I heard that MPs are no longer receiving emails.

272506 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1334 of 1943 🔗

I’ve just heard the same!

272558 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Maverick, 1, #1335 of 1943 🔗

It sounds like one of those Chinese whispers … ??

272614 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, #1336 of 1943 🔗

Sounds like disinformation.

272659 ▶▶▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to John P, 2, #1337 of 1943 🔗

They are trying to put us off emailing them.

272510 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1338 of 1943 🔗

Did it say why?

272511 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1339 of 1943 🔗

From? That’s absolutely ridiculous if true. They represent their constituents, even if those constituents didn’t vote for them, surely?

272515 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to PastImperfect, 14, #1340 of 1943 🔗

If that’s true, then they are being swamped. And if it’s not true, then who cares – email them anyway. They need to know that the peasants are revolting.

272517 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 8, #1341 of 1943 🔗

IF email does not work – you can always send them a paper letter by post – either way an MP’s duty is to respond to constituents of all types

272519 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #1342 of 1943 🔗

Exactly. We can’t just talk here amongst ourselves. We must contact them. They have to be told.

272590 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #1343 of 1943 🔗

They need to hear the sound of the tumbrils from time to time.

272615 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #1344 of 1943 🔗
272533 ▶▶ calchas, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1345 of 1943 🔗

Have you got a link please – or where did you hear that?

272547 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to PastImperfect, #1346 of 1943 🔗

Do you mean ‘receiving’ or ‘accepting’?

272553 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1347 of 1943 🔗

I sent one to mine a couple of days ago usually get an automated reply first and then had a couple of personal replies. This time nothing not even the automated acknowledgement so sounds right. Is this because they are being bombarded?

272560 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Suzyv, 7, #1348 of 1943 🔗

Me too – no auto reply. But I’m not accepting that. I will make a point of chasing for a reponse. I want this f#ckers to know we are f#cking furious, we pay their wages and we are their constituents to whom they HAVE to reply.

272563 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #1349 of 1943 🔗

Me too. Sent an email to MP this morning.

272790 ▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #1350 of 1943 🔗

Same here. I didn’t get an auto reply to the email I sent last week, but I did for one I sent a few weeks ago.

272599 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1351 of 1943 🔗

I sent my MP an email on Thursday and I did receive an auto reply to acknowledge the email was received.
Since when have they stopped receiving emails do you know?

272611 ▶▶ John P, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1352 of 1943 🔗

You heard wrong then.

272701 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1353 of 1943 🔗

Tried checking. Got the message that they were overwhelmed.

Belt and braces, I’ll send one first class snail mail as well.

272708 ▶▶ watashi, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1354 of 1943 🔗

I had one returned to me earlier (which I sent yesterday) saying it couldn’t
be delivered

273233 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to watashi, #1355 of 1943 🔗

Could be the mailbox is full. Physical letters arriving by the sack load would be good.

272892 ▶▶ Sue, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1356 of 1943 🔗

go and knock on their front door and deliver your message!

272535 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1357 of 1943 🔗

Is it just me, or did/do a lot of those cops doing the holding down/arresting/waving batons about look slightly ‘foreign’?

I know the MET has their super dooper diversity drive going on, but it looked a little fishy to me.

272540 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1358 of 1943 🔗

My son was watching some of the Paris protest and said he thought there were some specific police uniforms at the London protest that were very similar – is there an EU police force that moves around for protests?

272854 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to calchas, #1360 of 1943 🔗

The U.K. is not a member of the EGF, and even if we were that would terminate in January 2021 when we leave the EU.

272554 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1361 of 1943 🔗

I believe somewhere there is some footage of a (I think) TSG thug previously, who seemed to be unable to speak or understand English, so that’s possible, but looking at some of the people coming to live in the UK who can’t speak English, not necessarily so perhaps…. Lol!

272575 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to dhid, 2, #1362 of 1943 🔗

IIRC someone on here submitted an FOI request about the numbers of non-British nationals in the police. Not sure if a reply was received.

272613 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1363 of 1943 🔗

It shouldn’t be possible for a non-British national to become a copper in my opinion, unless they have lived here for say, 10+ years and have a really good command of the English language and an appreciation for the British character and way of life.

Those that are of certain background, such as Ozzies, Kiwis, Canadians etc probably do fit the bill, but I suspect they wouldn’t want to come that much with the rather “PC” UK police force.

I believe many traditional cops have already escaped to places like NZ to ply their “trade”.

272633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 2, #1364 of 1943 🔗

Mind you with the way Oz and NZ are going these days I wouldn’t want to be them.

Worrying as I have family in NZ!

272749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to dhid, #1365 of 1943 🔗

I think the Canadian ones would know all about being ‘PC’!
(And I speak as a Canadophile.)

272820 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Banjones, #1366 of 1943 🔗

Yes, that’s true, they have some experience of it.

272844 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to dhid, 1, #1367 of 1943 🔗

How can non British nationals become police officers? Under the 1996 act, in England and Wales they have to make the following affirmation:
I , … … … … of … … … … do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve Our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the office of constable, without favour or affection, malice or ill will; and that I will to the best of my power cause the peace to be kept and preserved, and prevent all offences against the persons and properties of Her Majesty’s subjects; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.”
Only a citizen of the U.K., Australia, New Zealand and Canada can definitely make such an affirmation. There may be other countries where our Queen is their Queen.
Can someone from another country that doesn’t have Elizabeth as their Queen have the powers of arrest? The right to carry arms? The right to discharge their weapon either non lethally or lethally?

272894 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to dhid, 1, #1368 of 1943 🔗

From the footage I’ve seen in Victoria, Aussie police are bigger cunts than the ones here

272572 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1369 of 1943 🔗

Yes, i personally believe so.

272748 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1370 of 1943 🔗

I’m sure May said something about their police being ‘welcome’ on our streets. Anyone else remember?

272552 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1371 of 1943 🔗

thats been commented after previous protests, that many of the TSG etc had foreign accents . I recall that someone was going to make an FOI request – might have been Awkward Git who does a lot of FOIs – to ask

272561 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mjr, 2, #1372 of 1943 🔗
272583 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, #1373 of 1943 🔗

Thanks, Mabel. 🙂

272717 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1374 of 1943 🔗

Just waiting for the appeal on their answer where they admit to breaking immigration law checks and record keeping requirements to come back, maybe in 3vweeks.

272817 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to mjr, 1, #1375 of 1943 🔗

Can verify that there are some platoons of tsg who speak almost no English. I tried talking to them

272747 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1376 of 1943 🔗

It’s not very long ago that we were rejoicing because Priti said she’d be putting 2,000 extra police on our streets. We didn’t know then what they’d be used for (or where they’d be coming from, though May made it clear foreign police would be ‘welcome’ on our streets, didn’t she?) We thought – innocents that we were! – that they’d be there to protect us!

Oh, happy days.

272758 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1377 of 1943 🔗

Perhaps that’s why they’re hiding their faces. These muzzles are no protection against anything (that’s accepted now) so surely the police should have better ”protection” unless they really ARE just for hiding behind.

272804 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Ceriain, #1378 of 1943 🔗

If you want to suppress protests, it might make sense to use foreign officers as they want feel any connection to the native population. I remember in one of Toby’s articles there was an account from a retired officer whose force accepted Polish officers and the officer said their written was incomprehensible due to poor English.

272870 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1379 of 1943 🔗

Definitely not British

273061 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Ceriain, -1, #1380 of 1943 🔗

Have any of you been to London recently?! The demographics of the Met are considerably more white than the population they are policing.

272543 calchas, 14, #1381 of 1943 🔗

Social media companies are now censoring somuch that they are running out of human ‘moderators’ and are having to rely on error-prone algorithms, which are removing ads from normal companies, mislabelling them as ‘hate speech’

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/facebook-censorship-algos-go-haywire-blocking-ads-struggling-legitimate-businesses-hate

272564 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 37, #1382 of 1943 🔗

I said earlier Priti Useless would have something to say, and she does.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55116470

Responding to the anti-lockdown protests, Home Secretary Priti Patel said: “ We’ve seen our police officers yet again do incredible work to ensure that they help to stop the spread of this awful virus .

“The people that are protesting today have been protesting for many months, and we’ve seen this over successive weekends.”

She added: “We ask everybody to be conscientious – we all know the regulations and the guidance, we have brought these measures in to save lives and to prevent preventable deaths .”

The BS is strong in this one!

272567 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1383 of 1943 🔗

I would imagine that the police do more to spread it by getting so heavily and closely involved than they would if they just stood back and let the protesters be, barring major violence of course.

272622 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1384 of 1943 🔗

And every time I see police officers on video they always seem to be fiddling around with their stupid masks, which definitely does more to facilitate the spread.

272741 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1385 of 1943 🔗

They should be wearing face shields so that their features can be seen (instead of those useless Chinese paper muzzles – they would also protect against being spat at.) The police should NOT be hiding their faces.

272784 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Banjones, 6, #1386 of 1943 🔗

Isn’t what what the French are rioting about?
Good for them!

272569 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1387 of 1943 🔗

Next up, they need to move their sights onto preventing unpreventable deaths. That will be a tough one.

272578 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1388 of 1943 🔗

I can’t say anything without a vast number of expletives so I won’t

272609 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1389 of 1943 🔗

Yes, prime Aberdeen Angus bull

272649 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1390 of 1943 🔗

I’d love to know what they’ve given up to become such a drone. What are they promised? That they’ll be financially secure for life or something? What a strange way to live if you can’t go anywhere without people hating you?

272710 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1391 of 1943 🔗

Their souls.

272704 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, #1392 of 1943 🔗

:

272714 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1393 of 1943 🔗

Priti in her party dress:

272722 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1394 of 1943 🔗

I don’t know, but I have a sneaking feeling that Priti knows it’s all bollocks. Just a feeling I get.

272734 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #1395 of 1943 🔗

They ALL know. Even their minions can’t keep everything from them.

272743 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1396 of 1943 🔗

I would rather see somebody stop the spread of useless politicians.

272875 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1397 of 1943 🔗

I actually vomited blood after reading that statement

272906 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1398 of 1943 🔗

Standard rubbish and lies

272998 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1399 of 1943 🔗

Such is the power of the stench that i can smell it from here and abideth it I can not.

272565 Lyra Silvertongue, 23, #1400 of 1943 🔗

Desmond was a seller in the market place
Molly was a singer in a band
Now they’re unemployed and have a mask-ed face
And they can’t even get a bit of cash in hand

Ooh blood-y, Tier Three, lie goes on, bah!
Bloody how the lie goes on!

272577 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 15, #1401 of 1943 🔗

I am beginning to seriously resent anybody who has had covid. Especially those who have died.

Why?

Because in exchange for their suffering 10,20,30, who knows how many people will have lost their fight against cancer, or heart disease, how many have lost their livelihoods, and so on?

The first class citizens suffer from covid.
The second class citizens suffer from everything else as long as the first class citizens are ok.

I’ve had a glass or two tonight so if my logic is off I apologise.

Arnie.

272603 ▶▶ John P, replying to Arnie, 12, #1402 of 1943 🔗

I prefer to seriously resent the government. But that’s just me.

272642 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to John P, 4, #1403 of 1943 🔗

I’ve got room for that too! I currently have resentment to spare so I’ll focus on poking some needles in lifelike doll or two.

Will be visiting social media later to relive my over resentment…

Arnie.

272664 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to John P, 3, #1404 of 1943 🔗

I agree, it’s the response that’s really the problem.

272612 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Arnie, 7, #1405 of 1943 🔗

The masses seem to have given up on logic so you’re certainly entitled after a glass or two!

272652 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1406 of 1943 🔗

Maybe it’ll all make sense if I have another glass, or two…

Got friends round, rule of six, no. Rule of 11? Yep. Hugs & handshakes all round, hopefully won’t get too drunk to get mixed up with who gets what…

All good. I think…

Arnie.

272668 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Arnie, 1, #1407 of 1943 🔗

Sounds very good!

272666 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1408 of 1943 🔗

Only two?
I didn’t get the memo!
Lol!

272731 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Arnie, 6, #1409 of 1943 🔗

But it’s been shown that up to 95 per cent of people who died WITH it died beyond the country’s life expectancy age, and also with other illnesses. Not ”OF” the virus, even if that was a contributory factor.
Ivor Cummins showed an interesting graph, where the total number of aged and sick people were taken away from the total number of deaths, and even in April the ”spike” was very small.
The NHS has been ”protected” all through this – at the expense of those with treatable illnesses. Disgusting.

272738 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Banjones, 4, #1410 of 1943 🔗

‘The NHS has been ”protected” all through this – at the expense of those with treatable illnesses. Disgusting.’

Hits the nail on the head. B*stards all of ’em.

Arnie.

272579 Richard, replying to Richard, 13, #1411 of 1943 🔗

Slightly off beam idea – but putting aside any political alignment – why don’t we all join the local party of the our sitting MPs and them start a deselection campaign am not sure there is much they could do as long as we were following all of the appropriate processes – suspect we could quite easily create majorities in quite a few Conservative constituencies

272591 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Richard, 8, #1412 of 1943 🔗

Great idea Richard. Doing this won’t stop us supporting any other parties like Reform or whatever either. Arnie.

272700 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Arnie, 5, #1413 of 1943 🔗

Thanks Arnie – so how do we co-ordinate – I remember somewhere there are 50,000 visitors a day coming here so that’s 650 from each constituency. Conservative party only has on average 240 members in each constituency (180,000 members in 2019). It would not take much to start some serious agitation

272735 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Richard, 4, #1414 of 1943 🔗

I honestly think that you are on to something here Richard. I’ve had a couple of glasses of wine tonight so it’s getting hard to think it through but there are many more people lurking on here so perhaps more support than we might think.

Arnie.

272770 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard, 2, #1415 of 1943 🔗

More like 80 per constituency I’m afraid. Still very good though.

272830 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard, replying to OKUK, 2, #1416 of 1943 🔗

Sorry bad maths ! But even 80 in a group of 240 (some of whom are likely to be seriously unhappy) can cause a lot of aggro

272662 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Richard, 3, #1417 of 1943 🔗

Yes the fear of being “cancelled” for those who aspire to longer “careers” might just do it.

272985 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Richard, 1, #1418 of 1943 🔗

It was a successful tactic in 2019, lots of relatively marquee names (Amber Rudd, Phillip Hammond, Dom Grieve) & a number of others stood down or lost seats after campaigns to oust them.

However, the issue of deselection I suspect is only really effective if an election is forthcoming, or expected to be so in the near future. What it does is basically say, MP cannot represent [this] Party at the next election… so unsure of what would happen at this moment in time. Perhaps a deselection move could succeed in an individual constituency, or more, but would said MP then simply able to be reinstated, somehow? IDK. Of course an MP can just jump ship and change parties, though as Anna Soubry found out the hard way, if enough constituents aren’t happy they will find you….

272587 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 79, #1419 of 1943 🔗

I would like to take the opportunity to thank those who attended the protest in London, and elsewhere today. I applaud your bravery and sense of what is right. I couldn’t be there in person but I was certainly there in spirit.

I think that it is probably fair to say that for every individual who attended there were 100, maybe even a thousand, who couldn’t make it.

My gratitude and respect to you all.

Arnie.

272596 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Arnie, 16, #1420 of 1943 🔗

Respect is due.

272619 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Arnie, 16, #1421 of 1943 🔗

Me too. I couldn’t be there either but they inspired me to make sure I make the next one. Well, the police inspired me, but same thing.

272632 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Jakehadlee, 9, #1422 of 1943 🔗

Me too Jake. I hope to see you there.
Best Wishes,
Arnie.

272655 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Arnie, 6, #1423 of 1943 🔗

I suspect 1000s.

272602 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 30, #1424 of 1943 🔗

Arguing about what tier we are in is like arguing about which prison cell we want to be in.

272656 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Arnie, 5, #1425 of 1943 🔗

Spot on

272606 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 29, #1426 of 1943 🔗

Never before in history has so much been destroyed by so few for no gain.

272651 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Arnie, 2, #1427 of 1943 🔗

Aint that the truth!

272617 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 62, #1428 of 1943 🔗

Am I the only one with a growing resentment of the NHS?

272620 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Arnie, 21, #1429 of 1943 🔗

Nope

272627 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Arnie, 26, #1430 of 1943 🔗

The National Hoax Service? No, you’re not the only one.

272635 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #1431 of 1943 🔗

I like it! Nicked & gonna use it on foray into arsebook later. Keep at it Mabel.
Arnie.

272694 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Arnie, 3, #1432 of 1943 🔗

I must confess that I stole the name from user “ a smith ” who coined it on 2020-10-06 .

TyRade also used it on 2020-10-20 .

272663 ▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1433 of 1943 🔗

Mabel Cow, mayI have the link to your site again please? TYVM 🙂

272679 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Buck Foris, 5, #1434 of 1943 🔗

My posters are here: https://www.baffledcow.com/

My mirror of this this site is here: https://www.panscepticon.org/

272698 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #1435 of 1943 🔗

You are a star Mabel. Please keep up the good work.

Arnie.

272733 ▶▶▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1436 of 1943 🔗

Thanks! Keep rocking!

272687 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 13, #1437 of 1943 🔗

Great addition to my variations of the NHS:

No Help Service
No Health Service
No Hope Service
National Hoax Service

Brilliant!!!

272732 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #1438 of 1943 🔗

Not Here Service,that’s the attitude of my GP surgery when you try to get assistance from them.

272742 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #1439 of 1943 🔗

Notional Health Service?

272760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to OKUK, 1, #1440 of 1943 🔗

My favourite.

Arnie.

272778 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #1441 of 1943 🔗

My friends dad a retired surgeon joked that NHS stand for No Hope Sunshine

BUPA meanwhile stands for Brushing Uninsured Patients Aside

272740 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1442 of 1943 🔗

Nice one. Or the National Wealth Slurpers.

272628 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Arnie, 3, #1443 of 1943 🔗

No.

272629 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Arnie, 3, #1444 of 1943 🔗

no

272636 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Arnie, 13, #1445 of 1943 🔗

As an institution, no. Some great front line staff, some doing an ok job, many swinging the lead. Admin blob needs to be cut in half, then half again – made redundant with no more than statutory redundancy pay and pensions cut to average wage equivalents. Overall, will cost much less, be far more efficient and deliver a better service.

272637 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Arnie, 2, #1446 of 1943 🔗

Are you jealous of their dancing routines Arnie?

272689 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to calchas, 1, #1447 of 1943 🔗

Tik Tok envy, is that a thing? If it is yes I envy their dancing. The health care not so much…

Arnie.

272639 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Arnie, 1, #1448 of 1943 🔗

No, definitely not.

272640 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Arnie, 10, #1449 of 1943 🔗

The NHS is now only a concept and one that has been distorted beyond all recognition for me. I’m not going to waste my resentment on a concept when I can be angry with all the individuals who have co-opted and misused the idea in pursuit of their own aggrandisement and political gain.

272644 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1450 of 1943 🔗

100%

272646 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Arnie, 6, #1451 of 1943 🔗

No Hope Service or maybe National Hit Squad.

272673 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Arnie, 3, #1452 of 1943 🔗

No. I’m contemplating taking out private medical insurance with Bupa or similar.

272677 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 7, #1453 of 1943 🔗

No, you are not.
I hated them before all this bollox, for many reasons.
Now I have. no words to express my loathing.

272685 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Arnie, 8, #1454 of 1943 🔗

Nope. I totally don’t get and resent this worship for the Church of the NHS.

272711 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Arnie, 4, #1455 of 1943 🔗

It’s now called the NCS as they are only interested in one disease, nothing else matters.

272713 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Arnie, 5, #1456 of 1943 🔗

No. I’m a very bad person and have always hated it, since the 1970s in fact, for various reasons.

272788 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Arnie, #1457 of 1943 🔗

No, not of the institution. Even before all this, my mum’s lengthy healthcare experience was a very mixed bag. One time she even needed hospital treatment for an infection acquired in another hospital.

272861 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Arnie, 2, #1458 of 1943 🔗

My advice for the NHS would be: “More healthcare, less corruption”.

That would be a good starting point.

272922 ▶▶ James007, replying to Arnie, 2, #1459 of 1943 🔗

We pay an average of £4k a year for it in taxes, and we have to sacrifice our health in order for it to keep going.
As a health service, it is mediocre. No G20 country is looking at it our model enviously.

273045 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Arnie, 1, #1460 of 1943 🔗

Nope i’ve been blocked by more NHS workers than you shake a stick at, criticism is not allowed in their tiny world

272630 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 20, #1461 of 1943 🔗

‘Protect the NHS’ they say.

Why can’t the NHS protect us we say?

(Didn’t that used to be their job?…)

(Don’t get ill, don’t get cancer, don’t get heart disease…)

272653 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Arnie, 5, #1462 of 1943 🔗

That was my argument to my MP and journalists that I was always under the impression that the NHS was there to save me, not the other way round.

272682 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1463 of 1943 🔗

That was wrongthink. Now we have been saved by communism

272692 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1464 of 1943 🔗

Phew! I was worried there for a moment, oh wait…

Arnie.

272721 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1465 of 1943 🔗

The next stage is for the NHS-Covid-Tik-Tok-Dance-Troupe-Conglomerate to move on to Compulsory Medication where we are subjected to treatments we don’t want.

272726 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to OKUK, 3, #1466 of 1943 🔗

Thank god for that. That dancing was so awful. Bring on the needles… Oh wait, no, no!!…

Arnie.

272737 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1467 of 1943 🔗

Yes that was my misapprehension too.

272674 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Arnie, 10, #1468 of 1943 🔗

Stay at home, die quietly, protect the NHS.

272729 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 8, #1469 of 1943 🔗

Before dying quietly, please fill out the online Death Certificate. Don’t forget to tick the box marked “Died of Covid”.

272977 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to OKUK, 1, #1470 of 1943 🔗

And also please be sure to fill out or quality assurance patient satisfaction. We need to know how brilliant we are.

272657 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1471 of 1943 🔗

Here’s a brilliant one for all us woke watchers. Some dumb-ass students at Manchester University want to abolish the word “black”:

From The Telegraph (paywall)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/28/students-want-black-banned-textbooks-lectures/

Manchester University undergraduates say using the colour as an adjective is stemmed in ‘colonial history’ and is now outdated

University students have demanded the word “black” be banned from lectures and textbooks amid claims it symbolises “negative situations”.

Undergraduates at the University of Manchester say the colour’s use as an adjective is stemmed in “colonial history”, which has become outdated in the wake of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Supporters are calling for commonly used phrases such as “black sheep” to be removed from lecture slides and books, while concerns have also been raised about “blackmail” and “black market” during a student union-led audit of racism concerns on campus.

272665 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tenchy, 16, #1472 of 1943 🔗

Not university.

Kindergarden.

272669 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1473 of 1943 🔗

These idiots really need to have a word with themselves. Sadly I don’t think this is a new thing. I remember a debate a number of years ago about renaming blackboard to chalkboard. Lunacy.

272763 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1474 of 1943 🔗

Not “Chalky” I hope?…..

272814 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1475 of 1943 🔗

I’m glad you said that. I remember that and it makes me hope these things are cyclical.

272672 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1476 of 1943 🔗

Speaking as a south paw, I say ban the word left as well! (Gauche, sinister etc.). And with the relentless increase in left handers, perhaps stop designing so many things for the benefit of right handers… but perhaps I’ll get a black mark for that suggestion.

272690 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Hugh, 4, #1477 of 1943 🔗

Hey you nicked my real name! Lol!

Not a south paw myself, but slightly oddly ambidextrous in some things.

My dad was a twin and was even more so, held knife and fork in the “normal” way but held a spoon in left hand but could use equally well in either, as can I.

I can use a screwdriver, saw, spanner and many other tools, almost as well in either hand. Goodness knows why.

Off topic I know!

272781 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to dhid, 1, #1478 of 1943 🔗

Funnily enough, I do certain things more easily with my right hand, like playing pool. Usually there is no one else called Hugh so I don’t tend to change it. I sometimes get tired of sharing a name with Heffner though…

272809 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Hugh, #1479 of 1943 🔗

Lol!

272867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 1, #1480 of 1943 🔗

Actually I’ve always found the whole Left/Right handed thing fascinating, mainly I guess because my dad was a twin and his brother was almost an opposite in that respect.

Regarding the name, I also have rarely came across other Hughs, so it’s still quite a novelty.

I have a quite rare surname and it was only when internet searching came along that I found there were other people in the world with the same first and surname.

Probably not that unusual for John Smiths, but it seemed quite strange for me.

272886 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to dhid, 1, #1481 of 1943 🔗

To be honest as a “south paw” I have never understood why right handed people deliver their their main course to their mouths with the fork in the left hand and dessert with the spoon in their right.

272952 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #1482 of 1943 🔗

Yes when you think of the logic of that it doesn’t make any sense.

272975 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1483 of 1943 🔗

Ah – knife and fork is the only thing I am left handed at.
My mother always thought that what I did made more sense than anyone else as when a baby, you are given a spoon in your right hand to feed yourself with. Everyone else changes over to use their left hand, but I didn’t – I just incorporated the knife with my left hand.
I cannot use a spoon and a fork together for the life of me!
I am right handed for writing.
Never heard of a south paw before though?

273094 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to CGL, #1484 of 1943 🔗

South paw seems to be an American phrase. “Corrie fisted” or “cack handed” would be more familiar terms to me. Cack handed comes from the tradition of supposedly using your left hand to wipe your arse. Thus the “unclean hand”.

272695 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Hugh, #1485 of 1943 🔗

I’m a south paw also.

272702 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hugh, 5, #1486 of 1943 🔗

I’m left-handed. I now demand the utter obliteration and annihilation of all Rights.

…Eek, I think I just got what I thought I wanted.

272727 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Hugh, 3, #1487 of 1943 🔗

I’m also a lefthander. “Waah waah sYsTeMiC hAnDiSm dAdDy waaah!”

272773 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Hugh, 1, #1488 of 1943 🔗

I’m mixed handed. I write right handed, throw left handed, bat either way, and shoot right handed.

272819 ▶▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1489 of 1943 🔗

Very right handed. In tea kwondo very left footed. Maybe because I stand more stably on my right. Balance is all. In EVERYTHING (caps for politicians)

272893 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mel, #1490 of 1943 🔗

Balance is all. In EVERYTHING (caps for politicians)”

+100%



272881 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mabel Cow, #1491 of 1943 🔗

My dad bowled a mean cricket ball, but only left handed. He also wrote right handed.

272678 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1492 of 1943 🔗

Where was that?
Oh Manchester, kind of makes sense!

I think most Universities are heading/have reached that now.

Very sad.

272697 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1493 of 1943 🔗

All of this… and the woke want daddy to stop everyone using a word they don’t like. A fucking word. Do they realise how deranged they are.

272703 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 3, #1494 of 1943 🔗

Let’s all surround their barbed wire and shout BLACK BLACK BLACK…

272808 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to annie, 1, #1495 of 1943 🔗

That’s just reminded me that, ironically, one of the most uplifting moments of this whole diabolical tragedy was when students in Manchester tore down fences put up over night round their residence. I suspect there will be many more people fed up of all this if it really carries on until Easter.(ending just in time for the May locals, I suppose).

272910 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Hugh, 1, #1496 of 1943 🔗

For just a few short moments when that happened, I thought they may actually be real students as I remember them, being rebels back well…, in the 60s (when I was just a lad of course!).

272761 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to DRW, #1497 of 1943 🔗

Probably not…

272699 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1498 of 1943 🔗

Wonder what the woke position is on Black Holes?

272712 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1499 of 1943 🔗

Definitely not allowed.
Holes of colour?

Cosmology should be banned. Stephen Hawking was clearly a racist. Ban his works, exhume him from the Abbey.

272723 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 3, #1500 of 1943 🔗

It’ll be some bland sciencebabbly crap like Infinite Mass Object.

272919 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to annie, #1501 of 1943 🔗

“….Stephen Hawking was clearly a racist….” – You could tell that from the way he sat in his chair…..

272925 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, #1502 of 1943 🔗

For the “woke” that was what is known as a “joke”!
Alien concept I know….

272718 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1503 of 1943 🔗

Or Blackbirds and Blackcaps? Thrushes and Warblers of colour?

272759 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1504 of 1943 🔗

Shocked probably!

272762 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dhid, 1, #1505 of 1943 🔗

They go so far back in history re-writing it will be a massive undertaking

272929 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, #1506 of 1943 🔗

Just too much.

272858 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1507 of 1943 🔗

Is “Black Friday” a goner then…? Oh, but hang on, that’s a positive connotation. As is being “in the black” financially.

But “Whitewash” is a bit negative.

Those poor wokesters having to get their heads around such complex and important issues.

272954 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1508 of 1943 🔗

… or Black Sabbath… or the Black Eyed Peas!

273106 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1509 of 1943 🔗

Black-eyed Susan.
Black cats.
Black shoes?
Little black dress.

What colour would you like to try?
“Er. Not red, not blue, not yellow, not green, not brown, not white, not orange, not purple , not …. etc The one that’s left.

272968 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Two-Six, #1510 of 1943 🔗

Ah I can help here. You must on pain of being vaccinated in the bum with astra zeneca or be unlucky enough to win a weeked away with Boris somewhere notth of Wigan say Vortex. DUUUHHH!!

272707 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1511 of 1943 🔗

For anyone with teens or younger friends or relatives who are thinking about going to uni I can highly recommend the Open University. I graduated 3 years ago and found the materials and course content very good. Its distance learning format allows students to avoid all the lefty woke crap whilst also working to get some experience in the real world.

272715 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 6, #1512 of 1943 🔗

Hear hear.
And lower fees, and no concentration campus.

272752 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1513 of 1943 🔗

My friend didn’t get on so well with the Open University… she signed up for history of art and it was fully Woke 🙁

272751 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1514 of 1943 🔗

They will eventually become like those Buddhist monks who check where they step so they don’t kill a single creature no matter how small.

They will ban more and more words and thoughts until they fall silent and are unable to think.

Bliss.

Just the slight pain of awaiting the process to, er, proceed.

Tick, tock…

Arnie.

272785 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1515 of 1943 🔗

It is now genuinely difficult to work out real woke stories from satires.

272789 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1516 of 1943 🔗

This moron needs a spell in a third world country where people who are trying to stay alive don’t have time for this sort of nonsense.

He’ll be laughed out of town.

272823 ▶▶ Ali Brown, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1517 of 1943 🔗

I just want to clarify something…I’m white, my wife is black, our kids are mixed. We don’t believe in stupidity like this. First of all its not offensive to anyone secondly even if you say something we don’t like we’ve heard worse before and will get over it. Stop being so soft is what they need to hear. Anti woke people, don’t presume we all support this! Don’t support blm either

272972 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ali Brown, 2, #1518 of 1943 🔗

What will Black Lives Matter be called then?

272862 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1520 of 1943 🔗

I’m concerned about Vantablack. It’s the blackest black ever. Even though it’s a fairly recent innovation, it’s clearly steeped in colonial iniquity. It must be, because it’s so black.

272961 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1521 of 1943 🔗

Er, what lives are going to matter then? All?

272683 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #1522 of 1943 🔗
272691 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #1523 of 1943 🔗

Very good. And everything she says is spot on.

272739 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #1524 of 1943 🔗

UG!, the world really has gone mad, this is the first time I have every managed to listen to Katie Hopkins for more than 5 seconds without flipping my wig and what’s more, I actually agree with her.
Insane.

272806 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, #1525 of 1943 🔗

Someone said she is pro mask. Is that not true?

272944 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to OKUK, #1526 of 1943 🔗

We all have our faults I suppose. If muzzles weren’t mandatory and you could just use them as a means of telling who has a functioning brain and who doesn’t, it would definitely bother me less.

273135 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, #1527 of 1943 🔗

I really don’t know.

272932 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1528 of 1943 🔗

I saw a tweet yesterday that made me dislike her even more but this does seem more listenable – I am very afraid to hear myself saying
I suppose it does confirm that I am capable of questioning my own biases!
I think I must feel the same as some on here, who are finding themselves on the same wavelength as Nigel Farage for the first time.

272850 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to HelzBelz, #1529 of 1943 🔗

Watch out bald headed little weasels!

272696 annie, #1530 of 1943 🔗

JP superbly summarises Sheeple stupidity:

https://youtu.be/RG2j8P_4EKE

272709 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 14, #1531 of 1943 🔗

I’ve just been watching (again) the interview of Dr Fuellmich and Dr Yeadon. It’s a long one and every word is worth hearing. At the 3 hour mark, or just after, they summarise the scandal of the PCR testing.
There are some very learned people speaking here. This needs to be shared. It confirms our belief that we’re not conspiracy theorists if people like THIS believe we’re being cheated!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGma0R5Y6_Q

272724 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Banjones, 3, #1532 of 1943 🔗

Those on the other side of the looking glass are as suspicious of such figures as we are of SAGE and other monomaniacs. This is now a religious divide.
But the footage is fantastic. I couldn’t tear myself away from it.

272744 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1533 of 1943 🔗

We need to raise the profile of the PCR test element of the scandal as much as possible to provide general awareness and popular support to Reiner Fuellmich’s effort. It’s something important we can do to contribute.

272847 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Banjones, 2, #1534 of 1943 🔗

I’ve seen all of that (excepting a few mins of fast forwarding over the German translations) and it is all good. So good that you can’t believe anyone could believe otherwise.

272725 tonyspurs, 12, #1535 of 1943 🔗

You got to laugh at the absurdity I suppose

272746 Bart Simpson, 22, #1536 of 1943 🔗

Muzzle musings over the last 2 days:

Yesterday – watched another one of those live streamed concerts. Great performance but depressing sight of empty concert hall. One of the violinist was muzzled up (Lord knows why) and it was painful to see him struggle during the first piece. Initially his glasses were steaming up, then he was multi tasking by fiddling with his muzzle while playing afterwards lowering the muzzle to expose his nose then finally ditching the whole thing altogether for the rest of the concert.

Today – Mr Bart & I travelling on the way to Epping Forest. On the tube carriage, there were four of us, all unmuzzled and yes we did have that whole section to ourselves. Then on the way home, there was actually a fair number of us not wearing muzzles. Probably the most I’ve seen in awhile.

272765 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1537 of 1943 🔗

Hopefully they are not going to back down, as panic seems to be setting in:

Virus tiers could end in nine weeks, Boris Johnson says, to head off mass Tory rebellion (telegraph.co.uk)

‘Virus tiers could end in nine weeks, Boris Johnson says, to head off mass Tory rebellionThe Prime Minister has been forced to give Parliament a vote in climbdown that could see tier system end long before Easter’

272766 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #1538 of 1943 🔗

They can’t fall for it again. Just 3 weeks. Only temporary

272776 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1539 of 1943 🔗

Yes they will.

272769 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #1540 of 1943 🔗

nine weeks!
it needs to be nine days. MAX

272782 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Two-Six, 17, #1541 of 1943 🔗

NO!–It needs to be right now!

272771 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 16, #1542 of 1943 🔗

Introduce tiers – problem. Does not matter how long they are in place for. The last farcical lockdown was to avoid us having to fuck about like this again. Because tiers were not working

I hate the NHS.

272775 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 16, #1543 of 1943 🔗

The MPs rebelling should hold their nerve and not fall for this.

Remember three weeks to flatten the curve?

We were lied to and they’ve kept on lying all this time.

Never Again.

272936 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1544 of 1943 🔗

Yep and the dangerously deluded Witless and unbalanced will force him into reneging on that promise once again. Dodgy falsified data pie in the sky modelling threats about the poor old NHS. He’ll do volta face again. He’s no gentleman so his word is most definitely not his nond

272987 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #1545 of 1943 🔗

They should work on the assumption that everything the Two Ronnies of Doom will say is a lie.

Refuse all concessions and fight everything Johnson offers.

And most of all, DO NOT fall for that old chestnut of protecting the No Health Service.

273000 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1546 of 1943 🔗

Write and remind them!!

272779 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #1547 of 1943 🔗

Hold fast CRG, vote against it on Tuesday!

272939 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Maverick, 2, #1548 of 1943 🔗

I think they will you know.

272783 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #1549 of 1943 🔗

It really makes him sound barking mad. How on earth can he (or any of his handlers) predict what the test results situation will be in even a week’s time?
Unless, of course…. surely not!….. they’re fiddling the figures…. and know EXACTLY what those figures will show, say, in two weeks’ time.

272945 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Banjones, 1, #1550 of 1943 🔗

Surely not Sir!! Mein Gotte in Himmel! Fiddle the figures? What madness!!

272793 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #1551 of 1943 🔗

How many times are people going to fall for this type of lie?

272799 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ozzie, 7, #1552 of 1943 🔗

Perpetually. People will hang on in misery indefinitely as long as they think someone else will rescue them eventually and they won’t have to take responsibility for themselves.

272914 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1553 of 1943 🔗

I guess we’ll have to do it for them then – lazy bastards

272796 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #1554 of 1943 🔗

No no CRG, do NOT get bought off by pathetic concessions.

272801 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 17, #1555 of 1943 🔗

Tiers to end in 9 weeks and be followed by another national lockdown. Lying Bozo has to be removed. Hancock replaced. Whitty and Vallance sacked and replaced. SAGE to be abolished and replaced by a multi-disciplinary team including economists, local authorities, public health, medical historians, GPs, cancer and heart specialists, and others, as well as some sensible epidemiologists.

272950 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to OKUK, 1, #1556 of 1943 🔗

Yep.

273422 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to OKUK, #1557 of 1943 🔗

There is no crisis so we don’t need to replace sage with anything. What we do need is a team capable of investigating vast criminal conspiracies and deep seated corruption.

272824 ▶▶ Richard, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1558 of 1943 🔗

I would hope they won’t back down but sadly suspect we are all about to be let down – they are a spineless bunch.

272959 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard, 4, #1559 of 1943 🔗

They are not spinelesd they are the only opposition we’ve got and they are fighting. Give credit where its due. The know Johnson needs to go and they will achieve it. Rome wasn”t built in a day.

272825 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1560 of 1943 🔗

Hope they are checking in and note the top comments on the article:

1. What a load of BS. He’s on the ropes – don’t let him off

2. Carrie and Boris out

3. Tier system could possibly end in nine weeks …. and be replaced by another variant of a lockdown?

4. Liar! Liar! You fat fraud You are just a liar!

272772 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 19, #1561 of 1943 🔗

You protesters in London!! You’re spreading an awful virus, now give up, you buggers!

“We’ve seen our police officers yet again do incredible work to ensure that they help to stop the spread of this awful virus. The people that are protesting today have been protesting for many months, and we’ve seen this over successive weekends … We ask everybody to be conscientious – we all know the regulations and the guidance, we have brought these measures in to save lives and to prevent preventable deaths.” Said odious Priti.

272780 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, 24, #1562 of 1943 🔗

Fuck you Patel. You are a liar and a thief. I am not. So I can judge you and I judge you to be scum.

272791 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1563 of 1943 🔗

I for one wish their ‘work’ were truly incredible. Unfortunately it’s not just a nightmare.

272812 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1564 of 1943 🔗

Incredibly awful?..

272815 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Arnie, 2, #1565 of 1943 🔗

Incredible as in hard to believe. Which it would have been for me 9 months ago.

272834 ▶▶ James007, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1566 of 1943 🔗

Many despotic regimes have brought in sinister or outright evil ‘rules’ which were claimed to have benefits, either now or at some future time.

The whole point of ‘human rights’, was to try and agree that regardless of what governments say or do, some rights are so basic – they ought not to be removed, except the right to liberty (which can only be removed after a fair judicial processes in front of a jury).

How can our politicians call out human rights abuses in states like China, when they are prepared to lock us up, with no judicial oversight, clear evidence or justification?

It is strange how the loud voices which called for votes for prisoners, an end to whole-life tariffs, and against Blairs detention bills… are so quiet about lockdowns.

“A recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world”

— Preamble to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1948

272837 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1567 of 1943 🔗

& BLM what did she say then, did the police battle the virus then ???!! Unbelievable!

272841 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Moomin, 5, #1568 of 1943 🔗

They took “The Knee” to get below the virus.

272852 ▶▶ John K, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1569 of 1943 🔗

“Prevent preventable deaths”. You cannot bully us with crass English you evil midget cunt.

272873 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1570 of 1943 🔗

“Police at demos prevent virus spreading” is up there with “mass testing brings case numbers down” for most extreme bullshit statement of the week.

272927 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1571 of 1943 🔗

Yeah tell that to the frail elderly dumped in care homes refused medical treatment and hospital admission and issued DNRs. Tell it to the 1000s of people dying of cancer all preventable deaths dting of a lack of diagnosis dying of heart disease and stroke etc etc. Selective isn’t she.

272777 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 20, #1572 of 1943 🔗

Deadly serious but hilarious also.

Vernon Coleman’s latest video is a hoot. You can watch it here;:

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/the-mask-wearing-collaborators-are-going-to-kill-us-all_LpclkbUEr7hR3d2.html

He cites mask wearers as falling into the following categories:

*The pug ugly who see the mask as a welcome disguise.
*Those with rotten teeth (due to the withdrawal of dentistry services)
*Those who are so stupid they see the opportunity of mask wearing as a fashion accessory.
*Virtue signallers—the creepy types who always want to curry favour by obeying instructions and to be seen to be doing so.
*The gullible who believe whatever the ‘guvment’ tell them.
*The cowardly—who know the wearing of masks is ridiculous but do it anyway for fear of disapproval.
*The collaborators–who are only too happy to fall in line behind Fascist, authoritarian, totalitarian and dictatorial governments.

Couldn’t disagree with any of them! But I would also add the category of the very frightened and ignorant—the only group with whom I have a modicum of sympathy.

272810 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #1573 of 1943 🔗

The frightened and ignorant being the biggest group by far. It’s all to play for. I know it’s not a game.

Arnie.

272835 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #1574 of 1943 🔗

Don’t forget the ones who are forced to at work.

272880 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1575 of 1943 🔗

Great video. This should be circulated more widely to highlight the dangers of muzzles from a health perspective.

272787 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1576 of 1943 🔗

Is there a recognised badge for anti bollocks fans. A simple smiley face or something for those of us anti this crap to wear all the time ? Just a symbol of defiance ?

272805 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1577 of 1943 🔗

Well it starts with a bare face…

Sorry to sound facetious.

I once had a ‘Jack Shit says Piss Off’ T shirt once. My gran didn’t understand what it meant. (so she said).

Arnie.

272828 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Arnie, 7, #1578 of 1943 🔗

Never worn a mask. Never going to.

272901 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Arnie, 2, #1579 of 1943 🔗

‘Face’-tious – very good

272843 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1580 of 1943 🔗

I have a “Man to sheep” t shirt which I wore a lot over the summer. Unfortunately many people didn’t get it.

My bare face is my symbol of resistance.

273256 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Leemc23, #1581 of 1943 🔗

A serving spoon? (roast potatoes in Scotland)

272792 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1582 of 1943 🔗

Thank heavens we were locked down on the 5th Nov otherwise the level of hospital admissions may have continued to trend at the same level as they were, overwhelming the NHS & leading to the deaths of countless thousands….. what was that? They have continued on the same trajectory? ……. and that’s flat? Remind me, why did we lockdown?

272798 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to NickR, 1, #1583 of 1943 🔗

Ahh but we have ‘not lockdown’ Tiers now. Not lockdown at all. Well maybe a bit… Sigh.

Arnie.

272802 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NickR, 3, #1584 of 1943 🔗

Because. REASONS

272795 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 5, #1585 of 1943 🔗

From the Guardian no less:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/27/boris-johnson-false-hope-lockdown-prime-minister-tier-system?__twitter_impression=true

No I don’t read it. I did have to read it twice though like a double take.

Arnie.

272821 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Arnie, 5, #1586 of 1943 🔗

It did seem to go against the grain for The Guardian, until you got to this statement:

There are women in several London postcodes to whom the prime minister once gave hope, only to later turn out to have been making false promises. Hang on to your lunch, but perhaps we’re all those women now. “

Then you realise that it was really an attack on Johnson because he’s a man. And that’s just the sort of shite we expect from The Guardian.

272836 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1587 of 1943 🔗

Missed that bit… Sorry, having a Rule of 11 beer drinking session. Slightly pickled…

Arnie.

272855 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Arnie, 4, #1588 of 1943 🔗

Yup – way more wine tonight than normal – cheers Arnie!

272859 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1589 of 1943 🔗

I don’t agree with your reading, Tenchy. I th