2020-11-29

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273264 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 35, #1 of 1526 🔗

Good morning everyone, as expected the only coverage by the beeb of yesterdays demo was of the number of arrests mad. Nothing about Manchester

273265 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #2 of 1526 🔗

Good Morning! Finally a podium position

273268 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Liewe, 27, #3 of 1526 🔗

FROM PETER HITCHENS

I beg and urge you to write to your MP, and to get your friends, neighbours, colleagues and family to join you. Numbers are crucial, as you will see.
On your computer, please find writetothem.com . This will direct your letter to your MP in easy steps. Then write, briefly, politely, acidly.

Say only this: ‘ If on Tuesday you vote to destroy the jobs and livelihoods of others, do not expect to keep your own. When the reckoning comes for this, there will be no such thing as a safe seat. Scottish Labour MPs once thought their seats were safe. Look what happened to them.’

Do not worry about any reply you receive or do not receive. These boobies mostly cannot reason. But they can count. And if enough such emails arrive, they will at last grasp what they have done, and fear for their majorities as they should.
This is pretty much the only lawful means of resistance we still have. If you do not use it now, to the full, when are you going to do so?
And if lawful protest is ignored, what do people think is going to happen when the P45s and the bankruptcies spread like a great puce blot across the country through the miserable winter months, and next spring brings no real release?

274089 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #4 of 1526 🔗

I’m on it. Augean Stables beckon. Get shot of every one of ’em. Plenty decent honorable regular folks to replace them. Eliminate…eliminate.

274166 ▶▶▶▶ John Pearce, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #5 of 1526 🔗

Hi Peter,

Done it, doing it and will continue doing it. Apologies for missing the “N” in your surname the above post. I have in fact written to you in the last week at the Mail On Sunday. I don’t know if you’ve seen that yet. Your post bag must be massive.

Keep up the excellent work.

JP

274272 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #6 of 1526 🔗

He could have spoken at anti-lockdown rallies.

Unfortunately a million letters will have no effect. When ministers have shares in Pharma and tech companies that stand to profit

274518 ▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #7 of 1526 🔗

Sent to all 3 councillors plus a letter to my mp who has never replied to any of my letters but hey ho.. 😄

274599 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #8 of 1526 🔗

Peter Hitchens doesn’t get it

The UK (and every country in the world) is currently occupied by the WEF and those organisations, vested interests it represents

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1332789916095406080?s=20

273360 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #9 of 1526 🔗

What did happen in Manchester ?

Do you have a link or short insight ?

273266 MDH, replying to MDH, 4, #10 of 1526 🔗

Bronze for me.

273269 ▶▶ James007, replying to MDH, 3, #11 of 1526 🔗

5th is the closest I’ve got.
Can tell the insomniacs can’t you?

273272 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to James007, 35, #12 of 1526 🔗

Exactly. I can’t sleep either.

Just seen another cretinous statement by that buffoon that passes as our Prime Minister: “New Covid Tiers have 3 February sunset”.

Two points, we have heard these types of comments before “Three weeks to flatten the curve” (yeah, right) and why can’t he just speak properly without employing absurd metaphors.

Right, off to send an e-mail to my MP.

273276 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to kh1485, 17, #13 of 1526 🔗

Exactly. What happens when the ‘sun’ rises?
Isn’t this what blair did when he wanted to imprison people without trial for up to 60 days? (Think that was his original proposal – which was much to the anger of human rights activists who are generally silent now).

Throw in a sunset clause and because it might not be forever that makes it ok!

273279 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to James007, 11, #14 of 1526 🔗

And not by eastern windows only,
When daylight comes, comes in the light,
In front the sun climbs slow, how slowly,
But westward, look, the land is bright.

273284 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to James007, 5, #15 of 1526 🔗

I think it was 90 days without right to a lawyer.

273390 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to James007, 7, #16 of 1526 🔗

Human rights activists are confused. What’s over there is over here

273289 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 17, #17 of 1526 🔗

Everything they say about covid/lockdown is on the horizon, next month or in two weeks hoping that by the time we get there it will be forgotten in favour of the latest promise or threat.

273333 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 12, #18 of 1526 🔗

Yes, it’s another tactic straight out of the NPD sociopath playbook: “future faking”

273559 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to karenovirus, 10, #19 of 1526 🔗

exactly the same shit as the climate change pushers except theirs is a longer timescale, one that they hope you wont remember when it is shown to be another fraud.

273839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Iansn, 1, #20 of 1526 🔗

Well not so long in terms of MUST ACT NOW!!! – (sign your life away here…) but a rolling mass catastrophe that has multi billion dollar PR, astroturfing and multi-fronted regulatory capture.
I expect they know the actual state of the Economy – rather than the masked mainstream fraud, and seek to navigate a huge contraction as the controllers of the ‘reset’. Look up Catherine Austin-Fitts.
We have been benefitting from fraud in ways we are unaware of, and so our first sense of moral outrage is not on such solid ground as seems. However, recognising fraud is the basis for choosing not to participate in its masking deceit.

273294 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 13, #21 of 1526 🔗

The sun set in this country about April.

273329 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to kh1485, 33, #22 of 1526 🔗

Pig Dictator dePiffle and his metaphors make me cringe…I can’t stand the sight nor sound of the harmful buffoon vandal anymore.

273385 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to kh1485, 6, #23 of 1526 🔗

he mentions Prussian allies-unfortunately for him they are on our side marching in the streets of Berlin.

273394 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to kh1485, 9, #24 of 1526 🔗

I can’t believe He is still in office if the Conservative party grow a pair of balls and remove the fool along with his unqualified health secretary

273872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Adam, -1, #25 of 1526 🔗

Behind every such seeming is powerful backing.
The model of Gov is PPP, but public is predated upon by private capture of Gov.
Buffoon and the muppets are groomed and trained crisis actors.
To front out such public humiliation and keep face is a sign to me of either a vast inducement or a great fear over their head – or both.

Politics runs a sideshow for the incremental ratcheting up a global regulatory capture as a systemic imposition on life not just to local level, but into our biology, as effective ownership and control of genetics and not just EU genetics.

ANYTHING to buy more time against a spoke in their cogs, but the more desperate the means to more overt the terrorism. Many cannot look upon it but their mind recoils to something diversionary.
Dig deeper for truth from which to truly live.

273451 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 13, #26 of 1526 🔗

Johnson is an inveterate liar. Why should we or his MPs believe anything he says?

273877 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Bugle, 2, #27 of 1526 🔗

Carrots and sticks don’t inspire a true belief or acceptance, but a compliant masking presentation. The State has a Big Stick and the Banksters run the ‘Economy’ of possession and control of those who set and enforce regulations.

274219 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Pearce, replying to Bugle, #28 of 1526 🔗

At least 70 of them do not.

273693 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kh1485, 2, #29 of 1526 🔗

He seems to be focusing on the time after the Davos lot get together, for next instructions?

274201 ▶▶▶▶ John Pearce, replying to kh1485, #30 of 1526 🔗

Hi James,

I think the reason for the metaphors and the bumbling is that Boris himself doesn’t believe the narrative.

If I may suggest it, the last time there was a corporate mugging of governments on a similar scale was in 2008 when the banks pulled it off. “Yes, we knew what we were doing, but unless you bail us out we’re going to tell your electorates it was your fault” This time, they’re really going for the burn.

273288 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to James007, 14, #31 of 1526 🔗

Just to let you know I am not an insomniac. I live in Thailand and I am seven hours ahead of gmt.

273342 ▶▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #32 of 1526 🔗

Also a cheater – living in South Africa!

273384 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Liewe, #33 of 1526 🔗

Ag my liefde! Hoe gaan dit oppie plaas vandag? And that is my quota of Die Taal™️

273573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Chris John, #34 of 1526 🔗

Vrystaat!

273293 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to James007, 6, #35 of 1526 🔗

I’m not an insomniac either, I just start my day early. 🌞

273416 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to MDH, 2, #36 of 1526 🔗

Bronze commander, is that you?

Small world.

273267 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 26, #37 of 1526 🔗

FROM PETER HITCHENS

I beg and urge you to write to your MP, and to get your friends, neighbours, colleagues and family to join you. Numbers are crucial, as you will see.
On your computer, please find writetothem.com . This will direct your letter to your MP in easy steps. Then write, briefly, politely, acidly.

Say only this: ‘ If on Tuesday you vote to destroy the jobs and livelihoods of others, do not expect to keep your own. When the reckoning comes for this, there will be no such thing as a safe seat. Scottish Labour MPs once thought their seats were safe. Look what happened to them.’
Do not worry about any reply you receive or do not receive. These boobies mostly cannot reason. But they can count. And if enough such emails arrive, they will at last grasp what they have done, and fear for their majorities as they should.
This is pretty much the only lawful means of resistance we still have. If you do not use it now, to the full, when are you going to do so?
And if lawful protest is ignored, what do people think is going to happen when the P45s and the bankruptcies spread like a great puce blot across the country through the miserable winter months, and next spring brings no real release?

273278 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #38 of 1526 🔗

Done, very ‘safe seat’ and Minister of State for Social Care but done anyway.

273317 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 7, #39 of 1526 🔗

Just done mine, I was just going to use the text above, but thought what the hell so told him exactly what my feelings are.

273567 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #40 of 1526 🔗

About 30 minutes after posting this a reply to an email from 31 October arrived from Helen Whately’s minions, a coincidence no doubt.

273480 ▶▶ Julian Skotzen, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #41 of 1526 🔗

Julian Skotzen ,

I’m also going to suggest that my MP visits gov.uk’s infectious diseases website which published on October 22 that as of March 19 covid 19 was no longer considered a high consequence infectious disease in the UK.

273509 ▶▶ steph, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #42 of 1526 🔗

I wrote to her yesterday but I have just sent the above now. Also a separate one saying that her behaviour as a Conservative Home Secretary is a disgrace

273790 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #43 of 1526 🔗

Done – even though it is pointless writing to Demonic Drab, as he ‘has to vote with the government’.

He does actually reply though – with the standard party line BS or promises from his secretary that he will ‘be very sure to pass on my concerns’ to Demonic

273844 ▶▶ Josephine K, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #44 of 1526 🔗

Sent mine just now and so has my husband .Let’s hope enough people join in

273921 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #45 of 1526 🔗

By all means do this also. But the nature of the change afoot marks the end of the system as we know it. Financial system shifting to digital dependency on unchecked corporate power, technocratic systems replacing political process, ‘biotechnical security’ overriding human right and freedom as imposed ‘responsibility’ (sic).
I don’t mean to undermine the Spirit here but to recognise just how fundamental the ‘loss of normal’ is actually an unmasking to what has been running beneath – and cannot just be masked or lidded over again – excepting that is the Reset intention. Locked down control – made ‘normal’ – if not to those soon to leave the world, then to the children. If not to the children, then to the ability to breed the traits required for our (sic) survival.

Another intention I cannot dismiss is the setting up of human destruction under false narratives that suggested a Tower of Babel (Global Monopolism) that can ONLY fall.
Misanthropes can mask as philanthropes.
Destruction as the ‘means’ for wealth creation or consolidating control, is the pre-emptive strike of ‘regime change’ for parasitical preying on what can be extracted or repurposed after breaking through the immune system of any living cell, or socially aligned organism.
There is no ‘exit strategy’. That is the idea. No way out. Locked in. muzzled and mind-controlled. I foretell this flipping on the would be ‘winner’.
Give as you would receive is aligned in the law of returns. Faking the account does not change the fact – but only masks over a lack with ‘fine new robes’ or fig-leafs given maximal investment against disclosure.

Whatever the forms a lie takes or grows to become, it is not true – but has all the life we give it as a result of framing our mind to WANT its offering.

Thanks! – but no thanks!

274632 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Binra, #46 of 1526 🔗

The way you write reminds me of an artificial intelligence…

274014 ▶▶ Watt, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #47 of 1526 🔗

I’m on it. Augean Stables beckon. Get shot of every one of ’em. Plenty decent honorable regular folks to replace them. Eliminate…eliminate.

274634 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #48 of 1526 🔗

Hitchens could speak at an anti-lockdown rally. His voice would be useful

Sadly, letters will have no effect whilst the UK is under occupation by the WEF and the bodies it represents

273271 annie, replying to annie, 33, #49 of 1526 🔗
273438 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 11, #50 of 1526 🔗

Hopefully the day will arrive when the people rise up and do away with these parasites we can just claim their deaths as ‘collateral damage’.

273930 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Bella Donna, -1, #51 of 1526 🔗

I read about the mind framing of those who enforced the Holodomor.
The zeal of the cause – and the gun behind the back of any breaking rank – operated a Terror on the ‘othered’ as serving a glorious revolution.
My sense is that when finally the insanity passes, the overriding desire of most of who remain is to blot it all from the mind.
However vengeance rises up from ancient hate to wreak destruction, over and over and over again – including through the surface attempt to make sure it never happens again. Nothing is more dangerous than a false sense of security in which evils are worked openly under the means to make you safe – and in various ways believed.

273273 James007, replying to James007, 98, #52 of 1526 🔗

“Today’s enforcement action is a direct result of those individuals deliberately breaking the law and at times, targeting our officers with aggression and causing disruption to the road network.”

FFS! What did you do when extinction rebellion were closing bridges, digging up lawns, defacing the cenotaph with a political message? Or when BLM were causing criminal damage, and pulling down statues?
Our institutions have been taken over by the so called “progressive left”, an orwellian term (as they want to destroy the progress we have made – equal rights, diversity, economic outcomes…..and they don’t actually care about the poor or marginalised).
The management of the police, the NHS, the BBC, the universities, The Church of England etc… has been taken over. The Conservative Party bears a huge burden of blame for this.
I feel blame too. I voted for this government and have not done nearly enough to object to all this.

273282 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to James007, 66, #53 of 1526 🔗

From the footage I saw, the protest looked peaceful and good natured (and how lovely to see masses of unmasked faces). It looked also like the police were actively inviting argy-bargy with their heavy-handed tactics.

273290 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 39, #54 of 1526 🔗

Imagine how much the police would behave without almost everyone filming them.

273300 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 24, #55 of 1526 🔗

Yes. Good job nobody in Europe is thinking of outlawing such filming.

273310 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 15, #56 of 1526 🔗

It will be the reason why Santa Claus was not mob wrestled to the ground.
Pictures and film of that would not have looked good.

273402 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 9, #57 of 1526 🔗

I think for the next protest a recreation of the nativity scene would have the same effect

273513 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #58 of 1526 🔗

Did you see the French protests? Now that’s a proper protest! Pitchforks and torches a plenty.

273583 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #59 of 1526 🔗

just for clarity here re Londo’s comment. The French protests were against a proposed new law to make illegal any filming/photography that identifies a policeman

273934 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #60 of 1526 🔗

France HAS.
Consequently much more pushback.

274757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Binra, #61 of 1526 🔗
273617 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to karenovirus, #62 of 1526 🔗

Or if they weren’t wearing masks.

273470 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 9, #63 of 1526 🔗

Exactly my thoughts. In Paris all those police vans parked up would have been on fire.

273503 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, 23, #64 of 1526 🔗

The anti-lockdown protests have all been peaceful. The police have been obeying orders devised by our rulers who are using the 1984 Public Health Act beyond the power it confers. They have no legitimate power to control healthy people according to Lord Sumption.

One small step for them to cull people for concentration camps and …

273960 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #65 of 1526 🔗

I saw video of police in a park in London having to back away from overwhelming numbers who were unambiguous in their verbal communications in response to being controlled and effectively predated upon. I say no violence but I believe this would be what the police chief would claim as aggression against police. State has monopoly of overwhelming force that becomes illegitimate aggression against the public when used for corporate agenda imposing itself against the right and will of consent.
The state is now a PPP or Public Private Partnership – which itself is a PR mask for privately captured regulators, services and institutional functions.

While I could call it a Gated Gov, it is much bigger in scope than Gates – who fronts, a front for a muti-fronted global monopolism. While this has identifiable agencies and less identifiable secrecies, it may be more practical to recognise it as a mind-virus and pluck it out (withdraw allegiance and support).

Authority is the key. Giving legitimacy to anything or anyone means it is ours to give. If we hold heart and mind as one we will not be willing to give acceptance to a self-betrayal that must then be false to all. But fear works to split the mind, and phish conditioned emotional reaction by which we are unwittingly mistaken and invested in the mistake as our protection or need.

The disturbance of this time is great and deep but I encourage a willingness for a ‘crash course’ in learning that aligns the heart of integrity – not the fear-deceit of a broken wholeness given over to All the king’s horses and all the king’s men.

274276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Binra, 1, #66 of 1526 🔗

As someone who admired the police until before they were following the SS manual

274050 ▶▶▶▶ Teebs, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #67 of 1526 🔗

How ironic that the Health Act in question has that date name … 1984

273446 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to James007, 7, #68 of 1526 🔗

Our institutions have been taken over by

“Common Purpose” “Charity” trained operatives?

273994 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to PastImperfect, #69 of 1526 🔗

They use insight to stuff the old wine bottle of possession and control.
Truly shared purpose is freely consenting, and its fruits are joy in life – that is recognisably and tangibly Good.
The mindset of the ‘inquisition’ is of its own judged, blamed and guilt confirming sin projected onto the ‘other’ – hence the accusation of systemic evil and unconscious bias in all that we traditionally inherit as both wheat and tares.
Fear of and fixation in evil, usurps the free alignment in the Good – which is resonant recognition as Life – and not a weapon set to ‘resist’ evil by which to redeem itself.
The Globalist agenda cares not for any identity but control that USES all identity as assets or proxies for the persisting of the experience of control. We all have a part in this in identifying in our own thinking rather than recognising ourselves by what identifies us and our world truly. In this sense the extreme example offers the means to recognise the pattern and release it – NOT feed upon it as a source of personal leverage and control (blame).

So there is a psuedo religion of ‘identity’ set in guilt that offers salvation by allegiance to stamping out and starving the framed evils of the redeeming narrative. But in place of the heart’s freedom given alignment is the ‘State Directive’ by which to replace the emotional mess of true responsibility neglected, with power to lock it down, mask over and starve it of food or funding.

274761 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, #70 of 1526 🔗

And Change Agents.

273505 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to James007, 11, #71 of 1526 🔗

Divide and conquer – BLM, XR good, normal people fighting for their lives bad.

The useful idiots in BLM and XR are too thick to see they are being used.

273274 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 61, #72 of 1526 🔗

THE PROTESTORS MADE ONE BIG MISTAKE!

They didn’t chant a racist slogan, BLM. The police would have bent over for them.

Perhaps a BLM against lockdown would be handy, but that’s not going to happen as BLM are well funded operatives doing the bidding of governments and their Marxist agendas.

Well done to everyone who turned up.

273359 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBigman, 35, #73 of 1526 🔗

They should carry BLM placards and when asked what it stands for, say “British Lives Matter.”

Watch their eyes glaze over in confusion.

273423 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to TheBigman, 10, #74 of 1526 🔗

Good idea. BLM does not have exclusive dibs on the letters BLM. Putting BLM and XR on the placards would at least make a point.

274763 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ovis, #75 of 1526 🔗

No copyright? Grab it.

273275 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 22, #76 of 1526 🔗

@LS Admins.

If possible I would like to see a Scottish section on this website. The level of govt interference up here is worse than rUK imo.

If nothing else it will highlight the destination for the rUK if they aren’t careful.

To start with Scotland has over ten times the number of deaths to similar sized Norway… How?

273339 ▶▶ Biker, replying to TheBigman, 46, #77 of 1526 🔗

Because up here most of us are fat useless tossers who live on pies and irn bru. I’m afraid the people of Scotland right now are the most pathetic useless braindead people ever. There is no hope up here, none. I despise the SNP but now i hope to see them get independence because i want us to be completely destroyed. I want these fuckers who support the SNP to get their way and i want to watch Scotland become like one of these eastern European countries. I reckon within two years of Independence we’d be finished and it would be glorious.

273348 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Biker, 16, #78 of 1526 🔗

Odd how the Scots cry “FREEEEEEEDOM” but not against lockdown.

273361 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to thinkaboutit, 18, #79 of 1526 🔗

I have been baffled by that just as the SNP want to leave the UK then waltz straight into the arms of the EU!!!!

273370 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #80 of 1526 🔗

As an SNP hating Scotsman I regularly point out to people that it is not ‘independence’ if we stay in EU. Any 2nd referendum will be to decide to stay in UK or not, they want us to choose who will be in charge of us Brussels or London. It is quite shocking how brainwashed so many people up here are.

273400 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to dpj, 7, #81 of 1526 🔗

Agree. Mr Bart is Scottish and during the 10 years we lived in Edinburgh, he never tired of pointing this out.

273427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to dpj, 5, #82 of 1526 🔗

It is partly that there are no dissenting voices in either Holyrood or in the media, but it is mostly that Scottish people on the whole are a bunch of miserable, braindead sheep.

273444 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Biker, 9, #83 of 1526 🔗

Welcome back Biker. You’ve been missed.

273550 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Biker, 5, #84 of 1526 🔗

My sentiments exactly. I won’t be sticking around to watch the destruction though, if independence ever does happen, I’ll be out of here as soon as I can get a job lined up elsewhere.

273401 ▶▶ Adam, replying to TheBigman, 4, #85 of 1526 🔗

I feel sorry for anyone who lives under SNP rule they are as inept as the other parties us Britons should be United not divided

273542 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to TheBigman, 5, #86 of 1526 🔗

I’d welcome a Scottish section too. Apart from a few of us on here, resistance to the corona bollocks north of the border is non existent. We have nothing like the CRG in our pathetic excuse for a parliament and sad to say there’s little point in writing to MSPs as they all do exactly what Turdgeon (thanks Annie!) tells them. The so called opposition are taken in by it all too with no pushback from them.
We need greater scrutiny here too. I’ve now heard of two people admitted to the QEU hospital in Glasgow, one with a broken leg and one with stomach problems. Both tested negative for covid upon admission and despite being in their own rooms with no visitors allowed, later tested positive. My circle of friends and family is not large so if I’ve heard of two such cases there must be many many more hospital acquired covid ‘cases’.

273622 ▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 15, #87 of 1526 🔗

I’ve just been nursing my partner for another weekend. He’s needed a dental filling in a lower molar since summer, but Krankie’s head dentist says it’s “too dangerous” for dentists in Scotland to do fillings. So he’s had two infections now, which have both needed antibiotics to treat. First time he was literally screaming in the night from the pain. Second time, he’s finally opted to have the tooth extracted (a Krankie approved procedure) but the antibiotics still haven’t kicked in so his whole jaw is swollen and painful.

He should post the rotten tooth to Krankie at her Govanhill office – it’s all hers. All of this is hers. And the money he’ll have to pay to get a false tooth fitted in the future. And there must be thousands of people across Scotland in a similar way, being denied basic dental care!!

273633 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to GorbalsGirl, #88 of 1526 🔗

I’m trying my best not to get angry but it’s hard not to when seeing the front of today’s National https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-55120477
Is there anything she will not use as pro- independence leaving the UK propaganda?

273748 ▶▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to dpj, 7, #89 of 1526 🔗

The gall that woman has. Her solution to the ideologically-driven SNP-manufactured economic pain in Scotland is… more ideologically-driven SNP-manufactured economic pain in Scotland?? She’d probably still find a way to spin it as all being big bad England’s fault even as she runs “independent” Scotland further into the abyss. How anyone can take her seriously – as the stench of corruption around her government’s wicked persecution of Alex Salmond grows riper by the day – is beyond me. Scotland (with the Union backing) was once home to the world’s finest scientists, mathematicians and engineers, but now we all seem to fall for Krankie’s tractor production figures and blame other countries for our failings. At least most other banana republics have decent weather.

273638 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to GorbalsGirl, 6, #90 of 1526 🔗

Go private to have done what you need to. Then write to your local health authority with Letter Before Action at the top and inform them due to the denial of service you have gone private and will be suing them for the cost.

You have to put someone on notice that you intend to sue them legally. There isn’t any way that they can refute your claim. Talk to citizens advice as they often have good solicitors who know how to deal with these things if you don’t have one of your own.

273667 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Simon, 2, #91 of 1526 🔗

Sadly I do have private dental care and as far as I know they are operating under same rules as NHS in Scotland. I turned down chance to go for my delayed 6 month check up as there was a ridiculous amount of rules i would have to follow for half an appointment.

273753 ▶▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Simon, 2, #92 of 1526 🔗

Thanks, that’s a good idea! I’m pretty sure my partner is up for some threatening letter action as he convalesces. Even if it isn’t effective at getting any money, it’s good to give these people a piece of your mind and let them know about the human cost to all their bureaucratic corruption!

273643 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to GorbalsGirl, 5, #93 of 1526 🔗

Scotland is now a banana republic and full of selfish twats.

Someone I know who is retired and has a very comfortable life has booked several trips to the Highlands over the next 12 months (just because he can!!), He has just had a booking cancelled as the posh B&B I assume is no longer trading.

No mention of sympathy for the poor owners, it’s all ok as he has found another B&B.

273787 ▶▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to stefarm, 10, #94 of 1526 🔗

Yeah the attitude towards the whole UK hospitality absolutely sickens me!! I worked as a pub waitress for 7 years before getting my uni degree and the majority of my colleagues were young people just trying to get on in life. They used the meager salaries to fund their rent at uni, or while studying for extra qualifications, or trying to break into the ranks of more professional industries. All these people have been thrown to the wolves (I never even had a contract in the 7 years I worked for the pub, so I assume most hospitality workers receive zero money from furlough and are just sacked outright when the government move the goalposts yet again). But a lot of the selfish customers I served barely saw me as a human being worthy of respect anyway – so in a way I’m not really surprised that this attitude extends into their real world politics. I’ve not once seen any “think of the poor hospitality workers” messages in the past 9 months.

And the business owners – who have done nothing wrong and tried to do the right thing by the health police every step of the way – should all be getting a lot more angry and a lot less conciliatory!! The public can now see how asinine all these rules are, and so the whole industry should go on the attack while the government are weak.

274253 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to GorbalsGirl, #95 of 1526 🔗

Can’t you get a filling done privately? I just had to pay for private dental treatment this week as I can’t wait any longer.

274461 ▶▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to jb12, 1, #96 of 1526 🔗

Well, my partner had the tooth out on Friday already – he couldn’t face any more delays but if anything goes wrong with my teeth I’ll definitely phone a private clinic straight away and see what they say! Maybe I’ll try a private dental practise in England and NI too. I’d travel to get my teeth looked at properly. In fact I’m sure I heard about some British man having to fly all the way to Istanbul recently to get the dental care he needed! It’s unbelievable. And totally barbaric.

274764 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to GorbalsGirl, #97 of 1526 🔗

Send dentures. And Fixodent.

273277 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 70, #98 of 1526 🔗

My before cock-crow e-mail to my MP:

Yet again, I find myself awake in the early hours of the morning, fretting about my future.

Your government has stolen my liberty; you have outlawed kindness, compassion and love; you have destroyed the lives/livelihoods of tens of thousands of people, all on the altar of saving the busted flush institution that is the NHS (which, incidentally, is a model of healthcare no other country seeks to emulate).

I will conclude by quoting Peter Hitchens:

If on Tuesday you vote to destroy the jobs and livelihoods of others, do not expect to keep your own. When the reckoning comes for this, there will be no such thing as a safe seat. Scottish Labour MPs once thought their seats were safe. Look what happened to them.

As ever, I do not want a reply.

273287 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 25, #99 of 1526 🔗

We will win, and you will look back and be proud of what you did

‘Men will hold their manhoods cheap when any speaks who fought with us on St Crispens day’

273295 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 7, #100 of 1526 🔗

BRILLIANT.

273320 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to kh1485, 7, #101 of 1526 🔗

We need to get as many people as possible to warn their elected representatives “think carefully before you vote”. because so will members of the public in your constituency.

273338 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to kh1485, 9, #102 of 1526 🔗

Thanks KH, I was thinking of going more down the science/evidence route for mine but am now in favour of something like this. I want to make him reflect on whether, when he joined the Conservative party, this was how he imagined it.

273344 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Now More Than Ever, 29, #103 of 1526 🔗

I don’t really understand all the science stuff so I leave that to others. All I know is what I see with my own eyes: despair, angst and fear. And also what I am not seeing: no bodies piling up in the street; no-one keeling over in front of me; supermarket employees still there after all these months working on – that dread term – the front line (raises eyebrow mockingly), etc. etc.

I just want her to examine her conscience (if she has one) and dig deep into her soul and ask herself: do I want to be responsible for this? I suspect though I will be disappointed and she will just go along with it (I checked her voting record yesterday and she has never voted against the government).

273368 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 15, #104 of 1526 🔗

And just an adjunct to this. I know I keep saying it but why don’t our elected representatives get out into their consituencies and speak to actual people? I think they would be far less likely to vote for all this if they were made to face the consequences of their actions. In a similar way that, those advocating war would be far less likely to do so if they or theirs were required to go to an actual ‘front line’.

273522 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to kh1485, 13, #105 of 1526 🔗

totally agree – where are the MPs walking the streets and shopowners to get feedback. No they are cowering in their bunkers petrified to face their electorate. How can any of them sleep at night is beyond me with the willful destruction of society and economy.

273528 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Now More Than Ever, 9, #106 of 1526 🔗

I said that in one of my recent ones –
“You are a ‘Conservative’, so how can you believe that this is a way of governing a so-called free society?
How can you even justify to yourself, that this is what your party has ever stood for? Your party is currently behaving the same as any tyrannical fascist or communist totalitarian state ever has – we currently have less freedoms than North Korea.”

273362 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #107 of 1526 🔗

Well said. I will email my useless MP again but Never Again will I vote for him.

273512 ▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 5, #108 of 1526 🔗

Used, edited and sent – really good stuff kh

273530 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, 4, #109 of 1526 🔗

Add “I want action”

273280 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 72, #110 of 1526 🔗

The pig dictator orders violence against peaceful demonstrators

He follows this up with soft, cloying, ‘ at the end of the day it’s your own fault’ sentimental bull in the Daily Mail

His behaviour has often been compared to a domestic abuser

Beat the wife up and then sycophantic apologies and flowers the following day

I think we are starting to get wise to the pig dictator

273292 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 24, #111 of 1526 🔗

From todays main page

‘You may be in an abusive relationship if they . . ‘

Thanks again to Constantbees for the splendid phrase
“I am in an abusive relationship with the government”

273336 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 9, #112 of 1526 🔗

Yes, Pig Dictator is now laid bare as an NPD sociopath for all to see

274767 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #113 of 1526 🔗

No, Boris, it’s you and yours fault.

273281 TheBigman, 20, #114 of 1526 🔗

Internet encryption is the last bastion of freedom of speech, defend it.

With the large London riots of yesteryear the police got a backdoor to the blackberry messenger communications as they were being used to determine where police were etc.

The polis would obviously know where everyone was at any given time and know where they were going.

The video taping of captives is straight up paramilitary level kidnapping tactics. Name, number, rank.

If more of us do not join the protests only one thing is historically accurate…REVOLUTION, and all that comes with it. Albeit maybe not the kind that is good for the people.

273283 TheBigman, 16, #115 of 1526 🔗

“When people ha e lost everything and have nothing left to lose, they lose it”

Beware of hope, its the level where they are working towards to see how much they can get away with.

273285 Cecil B, 21, #116 of 1526 🔗

The police are now arresting white folks for walking on the cracks in the pavement

Their diversity training program appears to be working

273286 Tim Bidie, 12, #117 of 1526 🔗

Yet another experience yesterday of the complicity, collusion of so many in the illiberal antics of these apologies for representatives falsely ‘self identifying’ as national ‘leaders’.

Posted before but…….

“Those people nowadays who say they would have stood up against the Nazis – I believe they are sincere in meaning that, but believe me, most of them wouldn’t have.”

‘I know no one ever believes us nowadays – everyone thinks we knew everything. We knew nothing, it was all kept well secret.” She refuses to admit she was naive in believing that Jews who had been “disappeared” – including her friend Eva – had been sent to villages in the Sudetenland on the grounds that those territories were in need of being repopulated. “We believed it – we swallowed it – it seemed entirely plausible,”

‘….she took a trip from her home in Munich to see it for herself. “I went into the information centre and told them I myself was missing someone, an Eva Löwenthal.” A man went through the records and soon tracked down her friend, who had been deported to Auschwitz in November 1943, and had been declared dead in 1945.

“The list of names on the machine on which we found her just kept on rolling non-stop down the screen,” she says, leaning her head back, the finger tips of one hand tracing the line of her necklace.’

‘I just cling to the hope that the world doesn’t turn upside down again as it did then, though there have been some ghastly developments, haven’t there?’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/15/brunhilde-pomsel-nazi-joseph-goebbels-propaganda-machine

273291 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 84, #118 of 1526 🔗

Johnson is a compulsive liar. In the summer he said things would be back to normal by November. He is just saying ‘9 weeks’ now to head off a rebellion.

When the time comes he will just invent another excuse to prolong the lockdown.

And in truth, he has no intention of ever letting the country go back to normal. He works for the globalist billionaires of the WEF who want an eco-fascist ‘New Order’. Hence all the ‘build back better’ talk, banning cars and crippling air travel.

The needs of ordinary British don’t come into any of this and he will never give them a chance to vote on this sinister agenda.

273343 ▶▶ Biker, replying to PaulH, 26, #119 of 1526 🔗

Don’t just blame Boris, they’re all in on it. There is no one to vote for, there is no escape. Maybe Farage is our only hope because as it stands almost everyone in the illegal self declared sovereign parliament is a Davos Disciple. All of them. obviously it was a surprise to many that Boris has shown us he’s one. They are getting rid of countries and forcing us into the NWO. The plan has been around since they invaded Europe with Churchills help. The whole of the second world war was fake. The Germans were stooges. it’s as plain as day. This plan has been a hundred years in the making and now it’s here. We’ll never be able to fight them off either since most of us are sick and the young all have bones of rubber and cry when they drop their phones.

273365 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Biker, 6, #120 of 1526 🔗

Does anyone know what is happening re Nigel Farrage? – as I’ve not seen anything since the info. that he was planning on re-branding the Brexit Party and fighting back against Lockdown.

273393 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eliza P., 1, #121 of 1526 🔗

They probably started spamming his twitter and ArseBook feeds with adverts for SPORTS BAGS.

273409 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Eliza P., 5, #122 of 1526 🔗

As a member of the SDP we the UK are in need of a new party just to have a alternative to years of incompetent LibLabConSNP corruption

273490 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Eliza P., 8, #123 of 1526 🔗

Here he was on Friday preaching the good word:

Nigel Farage: The new tier system is lockdown 3.0 in all but name.

274144 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mark, #124 of 1526 🔗

Farage is critical, but he is still playing the “there’s a virus game” so the government won’t be too worried about this rather lacklustre video.

273535 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Eliza P., 8, #125 of 1526 🔗

He has three YouTube videos saying they are waiting for the name change from brexit party and gathering together candidates to fight the local elections in May. He needs to grab Mike yeardon and take him on GMB with Piers and the Quack.

273556 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Eliza P., 6, #126 of 1526 🔗

I have received a couple of standard emails from Tice, which they seem to be sending to previous Brexit party candidates. Looks like they are looking for candidates for local elections in May, so on that premise I assume they intend to go forward. Considering applying, but a bit hesitant as the recruitment needs to be professionally organised, which it wasnt for the Brexit candidacy.

274134 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Eliza P., #127 of 1526 🔗

Paid off or threatened?

273405 ▶▶ Adam, replying to PaulH, 4, #128 of 1526 🔗

Yesterday was the 30th anniversary of Thatcher being removed from office yet conservative can’t remove a mop haired tit

273442 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PaulH, 15, #129 of 1526 🔗

“It will just be over soon, it will just be over soon, it will just be over soon.”

This is the essential lie governments around the world have had to tell their citizens. The Great Reset must happen in increments. It’s a slow process

274435 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 1, #130 of 1526 🔗

It’s 10 years until 2030.

273487 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 1, #131 of 1526 🔗

I see you are back for another “drive by” posting moment.

It’s obviously true that Johnson is a liar – he is a politician and therefore a professional liar.

And in truth, he has no intention of ever letting the country go back to normal. He works for the globalist billionaires of the WEF who want an eco-fascist ‘New Order’. Hence all the ‘build back better’ talk, banning cars and crippling air travel.

This is overstated – silly hyperbole.

And get yourself an identity of your own, you lazy, rude inconsiderate lout! Lazy, because you can’t be bothered to create your own identity. Rude, because you’ve never had the minimal courtesy to respond on this point even when approached with perfect politeness early on, and inconsiderate, because you are gratuitously creating confusion.

Here, I’ll explain it to you in terms as simple as possible, since it appears you lack the intellect to work it out for yourself. This is a blog comment system designed for small occasional discussions, being used instead for long term, in depth exchanges. It lacks a system (common in more substantial discussion forum software) for preventing duplicate identifications because that is not much needed for small numbers and occasional isolated exchanges.

For long term interactions, as here, it’s useful to get a feel for commenters’ wider opinions, to understand the nuances of their comments, and to sustain exchanges over multiple weeks and months of interaction. That adds considerable value to discussions and allows the creation of a degree of community spirit, rather than the essential temporaryness of occasional blog comments.

What you are doing gratuitously interferes with that process. It’s inconsiderate, rude and destructive.

273660 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Mark, #132 of 1526 🔗

What is upsetting you so Mark? is it not ok for people to share the same name as you? maybe you could change your name if you don`t like sharing?

273821 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to watashi, #133 of 1526 🔗

The gratuitous rudeness and unnecessary confusion irritates me. The reasons why posting under the same name is confusing and counterproductive should be obvious, but if not I refer you to the explanation in the above post.

274546 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PaulH, 1, #134 of 1526 🔗

He’s following orders. Like every other politician around the world reading from the same WEF script

273296 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 26, #135 of 1526 🔗

‘Involve women in the decision making’, because it is assumed that they do the housework and cooking, but don’t normally make the ‘big decisions’ has made my blood boil this morning. It is particularly galling because, if hotels and restaurants were open, no one would have to do all this nonsense in many households. Staying in an hotel and meeting others in a restaurant or pub for lunch would be far more pleasant and much safer; but impossible because the government has closed them all. Gove’s own wife made the point about the pressure on women from the closure of hospitality in the Mail last week and, presumably, this is him paying lip service to her.

Then there’s the absurdity of people who haven’t driven on main roads since March, in unserviced cars with dodgy tyres, all crowding onto the same roads during four days in the middle of winter. The resultant accidents will kill far more healthy younger people than the virus.

273318 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caroline Watson, 9, #136 of 1526 🔗

Anyone standing outside drinking around a ‘fire pit’ is likely to get grassed up to the Environmental Health.

The Evening Standard is reporting that tier 2 pubs without a kitchen could operate as a restaurant by using third party food suppliers. Might make for a nice night out but it’s still tinkering* around the edges.

Is ‘tinkering’ ok, not Travellerphobe ?

273435 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Caroline Watson, 6, #137 of 1526 🔗

I thought I was reading an excerpt from Mrs Beeton’s book of household management.
Chauvinism is still alive and kicking both in Parliament and the BBC.
As for cars not driving on main roads, the author has not been around my way, roads have never been busier and we’re in lockdown.

273555 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #138 of 1526 🔗

It’s amazing if this was said this time last year the feminists would have been storming the castle. Instead, nothing. So this shit government now gets a free pass on, domestic abuse, suicide, worker oppression, human rights infringements, child abuse, NHS irregularities, NHS waiting lists and the unemployment rate. God if they realised all you had to do was invent a casedemic you can get away with anything…

274383 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #139 of 1526 🔗

They highlight the particular importance of involving women in the decision-making.

That’s all very well but, really, are the ladies (bless ’em!) actually ready to assume this sort of responsibility? I shall have to think very carefully before allowing Miriam any part in arranging Christmas (other than fulfilling her usual decorative and culinary functions obviously).
AG

273297 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 122, #140 of 1526 🔗

“We can’t blow it now. We can’t just throw it all away – not when freedom is in sight. We have worked too hard, lost too many, sacrificed too much, just to see our efforts incinerated in another volcanic eruption of the virus.”

He forgot the gaslighting sideswipe at people “wanting to let the virus rip”, but this is the same manipulative, dishonest bleating as before, like General Haig urging the men not to lose heart now as victory is in sight, when in fact they’re all bogged down in the same sea of mud and blood they were bogged down in six months ago, and the vision of Berlin ahead of them is a mirage only Haig can see.

Once again, the British people have come together to bring Covid under control.

Oh, bring out the flags and let’s all sing Jerusalem, what heroes we all are. Fuck off.

Once again, our collective efforts have paid off – and as I write the R rate is once again below one.

No thanks to the government repression. And nothing to do with any irrelevant “collective efforts”. Just a graph doing what graphs do.

Across the country, the disease is no longer doubling in prevalence. It is halving. We did it before, in the spring, and now we have done it again.

Again, no, “we” didn’t do it and “you” definitely didn’t, you blithering shitehawk.

But this time it is different. This time we know in our hearts that we are winning, and that we will inevitably win, because the armies of science are coming to our aid with all the morale-boosting, bugle-blasting excitement of Wellington’s Prussian allies coming through the woods on the afternoon of Waterloo.

Oh, for God’s sake. Enough about blasted Waterloo. Anyway, the Napoleonic regime was defeated at the Völkerschlacht and the Hundred Days was just the bit at the end, where Scaramanga’s evil minion, with a dagger between his teeth, interrupts Bond and the girl in bed.

The Etonian schtick doesn’t work any more, fuckwit. Your best option now would be to remember the words of the comedian Lotus Weinstock. “ I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.”

273301 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 46, #141 of 1526 🔗

Fantastic post. His attempt to come over all Churchillian is pathetic and insulting.

273313 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 27, #142 of 1526 🔗

Getting lots of scorn for that from Mail commenters.

273326 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 29, #143 of 1526 🔗

Good. Notwithstanding the carnage he has created, he is now making a complete and utter fool of himself.

273415 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to kh1485, 6, #144 of 1526 🔗

He has to go preferably whether he likes it or not keep Labor out also

273312 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 49, #145 of 1526 🔗

Wellington and Bluchers troops would have loved being in a battle with a 99.7% survival rate.

273346 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 22, #146 of 1526 🔗

Past ages would have seen it as a pretty innocuous illness. In most of Africa Covid hardly registers but if you and yours can be laid low by malaria, bilharzia, sleeping sickness or even malnutrition, what price Covid?

273549 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 3, #147 of 1526 🔗

V. good!

273322 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 25, #148 of 1526 🔗

Boris is not alone in invoking military images, many other leaders around the world have invoked such images as if tackling this virus was like facing off a Panzer division or a wave of Luftwaffe Bombers when, if any military image is appropriate it is the Vietnam war. As an ‘enemy’ this virus has more similarity with the viet-cong it is a ‘will of the wisp’ it comes and goes pops up when you least expect it, employs guerrilla tactics. It is like the Sparrowhawk that swoops through our garden scattering all the song-birds and occasionally takes one and is then gone.
This virus has wound up the control freak Governments around the world, their blunt heavy handed tactics are ridiculous much like the US armed forces against the Viet-cong. Indeed i seem to recall it was a US army officer who was once quoted as saying they had to raze a village and its inhabitants to the ground in order to save it! Sounds a bit like most Governments tactics against this virus.
And we all suffer as they try to outdo each other in macho tactics to defeat a virus that is actually not doing very much damage to total human population levels.

273328 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #149 of 1526 🔗

The atrocities committed against the Vietnamese were the direct result of the US trying to run that war by computer modelling which brought about the notion of bodycount and so the slaughter of prisoners and civilians.

273419 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 6, #150 of 1526 🔗

Before my time thank God Harold wilson kept Britain out of vietnam USA and Australia still regret it to this day

274369 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #151 of 1526 🔗

I have tried, and failed to encapsulate this shit show as well as this for 9 months. Hat is of to you. Beautiful work.

273331 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #152 of 1526 🔗

Nomad, this has made me laugh heartily for the first time in days. Brilliantly observed. Thank you.

273412 ▶▶ Adam, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #153 of 1526 🔗

Hey Doris my rights are not yours to play with written constitution now

273545 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #154 of 1526 🔗

Next to a battle lost, the greatest misery is a battle gained.

Wellington

273572 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #155 of 1526 🔗

Great post. Boris was a good London mayor because he had his finger on the pulse and lived in the area and was surrounded by acolytes who followed the buzz from the street. Now he is a totally out of touch moron surrounded by a cartel of sudo scientists who he cannot understand and is too afraid of looking like a moron by challenging them. Churchill, yes the dog from the insurance ad, aaawh yes!

274110 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #156 of 1526 🔗

Yes sure he was a great Mayor. Boris has never been good at anything except lying and living off the fat of the land.

273647 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #157 of 1526 🔗

‘We can’t blow it now’

What exactly does he think has been achieved?

273658 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #158 of 1526 🔗

Blithering shitehawk. Nice.

274039 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #159 of 1526 🔗

The armies of science paragraph made me gag.

This man is truly repulsive.

274107 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #160 of 1526 🔗

Johnson should now face the hangman with dignity, that’s all he’s got left.

273298 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 7, #161 of 1526 🔗

Have just read today’s great editorial and looked at the newspaper headlines.
Has the tide started to turn?

273315 ▶▶ annie, replying to SilentP, 26, #162 of 1526 🔗

We keep saying that!
But when a tide turns, it moves very, very slowly at first. I work on an island so I know what tides do.
It will come in in a rush in the end. Be patient.

273532 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 4, #163 of 1526 🔗

For while the tired waves, vainly breaking
Seem here no painful inch to gain,
Far back through creeks and inlets making,
Comes silent, flooding in, the main.

273664 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, #164 of 1526 🔗

Oh you are lucky. If I could, I would like to live on an island. In the mornings I would row to the mainland to go to work.

273582 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to SilentP, 6, #165 of 1526 🔗

Yes saw an article on the biased broadcasting corporation about death rates and hospitalisations up above average. down in the comments was a torrent of abuse calling them out to stop lying and spreading fear. 3 months ago this would have all been about us covidiots causing this, if we only stayed home.

273299 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #166 of 1526 🔗

Have finally got around to emailing my MP. Simple question – will you be joining the CRG as it appears they will be receiving some important concessions.

Kind Regards
Cunty Bollocks

273560 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #167 of 1526 🔗

We do not want “concessions”. We demand our Rights. Repeal the Coronavirus Act.

273302 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 56, #168 of 1526 🔗

A heartfelt thanks and well done to all you who attended the demonstration in London on Saturday.

273305 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #169 of 1526 🔗

Beat me to it!

273341 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #170 of 1526 🔗

Big thanks from me too.

273303 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 72, #171 of 1526 🔗

Hello and a special thanks to those mask less heroes who took to the streets yesterday in protest. Well done the sane!

273363 ▶▶ TJN, replying to PatrickF, 13, #172 of 1526 🔗

Seconded. Huge respect for everyone who went on marches yesterday. (No marches down here in rural Devon.) I would be honoured to shake Piers Corbyn by the hand.

I’ve written here previously on how we should allow the police a little slack. And for responsible police I stand by that. But what I’ve read concerning the behaviour of those TSG thugs yesterday disgusts me. They are a disgrace to the uniform and this country. I wonder if they have an address or something we could write to?

273304 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 11, #173 of 1526 🔗

Police action today is precursor and tactic-rehearsal for police action tomorrow.

Serious and sustained food, medicine, utilities, fuel and eviction riots commencing in the New Year will meet determined counter-violence by the authorities.

Johnson and his Vote Leave gang want you well locked down for that.

273307 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Stuart, 21, #174 of 1526 🔗

As does the Vote Remain faction.

273440 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Stuart, 4, #175 of 1526 🔗

You think Macron and Merkel are Vote Leave? You think Vote Leave controls Belgium?

273640 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ovis, 2, #176 of 1526 🔗

Does ‘Vote Leave’ control Peru?

273548 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Stuart, 1, #177 of 1526 🔗

Where do the evicted go to lock down?

273306 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 35, #178 of 1526 🔗

Morning.

It would seem that pretty much all mention of the marches yesterday has now been expunged by the bbc website.
I struggle to find anything much in the Telegraph. Indeed, Janet Daley’s piece on covid creating a challenge to the state – public relationship has gone from the opinions, cannot be found in Telegraph search tool. (It is still on google)

Looks like a clear attempt to shut down discussions around the matter.

I see this as indicative of the level of impact these marches are having on the Government, They are running more and more scared, and we must continue to call out their lies.

273309 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bill h, 28, #179 of 1526 🔗

This is the first set of protests that hasn’t in any way had ‘conspiracy nut’ or similar attached to it. Public sympathy is growing too, I sense. Though there are still some divs foolishly trying to pigeon hole our cause as a left/right concern.

273314 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bill h, 6, #180 of 1526 🔗

There’s a fairly tame BBC piece on my Google feed this morning, unlike the Mail it does not describe some of the protesters as ‘violent’.

274056 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bill h, 1, #181 of 1526 🔗

To find anything about the London protest on the BBC website you really have your work cut out. I tried the site search and got nothing til I tried ‘Marble Arch’ in desperation. Working back I found that I should have followed these steps: Click ‘News’, click ‘UK’, click ‘England’, click ‘Regions’, click ‘London & South East’, click ‘London’, scroll down to find the story (in sort of 9th. position).

Its well worth it for the first photo and caption alone!

The British News Management Corporation is obviously a stranger to irony.

AG

273311 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 52, #182 of 1526 🔗

“Boris’s verbal gymnastics at a moment of such gravity feel sophomoric and inappropriate”

Exactly. Mind you, I’m glad he’s showing his true personality and not making us suffer his mirror-rehearsed ‘serious face’.

Boris is clearly not behaving as a prime minster would if the circumstances were genuinely as they appear to be. He is behaving like someone who is doing a different job: that of implementing someone else’s prescribed policy. The prize is not to achieve re-election of the Tory party (all those votes they “borrowed”), nor to forego popularity in order to save Britain – in which case he would be all over the Great Barrington Declaration like a rash, praising it to the skies.

No, Boris is behaving as though the cancer deaths, the suicides, the lost jobs, the impending financial catastrophe, the restrictions on civil liberties (that make a mockery of everything he has previously stood for) and all-round dystopian future he has created are someone else’s responsibility. He actually can’t resist being “sophomoric” about it – indicating that he thinks he is doing a good job – though what job that is, we cannot know. If he really were prime minster, every closed business and cancer death would be a dagger in his heart – every day would be so painful to him that he would be a physical and mental wreck and not indulging in “verbal gymnastics”.

I think there is a word for what he is doing: treason. But I also think that such trifling notions no longer apply to the new, de facto global government.

273324 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 20, #183 of 1526 🔗

I have not watched johnson since March and now can’t bare to read him either.

273374 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #184 of 1526 🔗

I can’t bear to read his ahistorical bilge so won’t bother. It’s clear that he refuses to take responsibility for what’s happening and that when this is over, the repair won’t just take years but even decades, perhaps a century.

Wellington and Blucher he ain’t. He’s more like Napoleon in Moscow or better yet Hitler and Stalingrad.

273527 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #185 of 1526 🔗

After Waterloo.

At last after he had left the town, he found in a little meadow on the right a small bivouac fire made by some soldiers. He stopped by it to warm himself and said to General Corbineau,
“Et bien Monsieur, we have done a fine thing.”
General Corbineau saluted him and replied,
“Sire, it is the utter ruin of France.”

Jardin Ainé; Equerry to the Emperor Napoleon

273575 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #186 of 1526 🔗

“Hitler and Stalingrad” Excellent.

274340 ▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #187 of 1526 🔗

Yes, Dan Hannan’s defence of Boris, that he’s really a libertarian but his hands are tied by the electorate demanding a lockdown, doesn’t wash. If it were true then Boris wouldn’t be promoting WEF slogans; it’s not as though the WEF is popular with the electorate.

274564 ▶▶▶ CovidiousAlbion, replying to AfterAll, 1, #188 of 1526 🔗

Hannan is controlled opposition, trying to seduce us a little further into the NWO’s clutches with his presentation of a “compromise”. I’m sure there will be many others.

273316 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 7, #189 of 1526 🔗
273369 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark H, 3, #190 of 1526 🔗

In Kidderminster, the queues to “Mackies” actually cause really serious traffic jams and tailbacks.

273554 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #191 of 1526 🔗

I was having a conversation with my neighbour.

‘why do you think the pubs are shut and McDonald’s open?’

‘dunno, never thought about it’

A lovely bloke who is a taxi driver and just about earning enough each day to pay for petrol and the hire of the car.

Dutifully dons his mask everyday to earn fuck all and then complains about the state of the roads and new cycle lanes in Edinburgh.

‘why do you think we have been locked up for 9 months, all part of the new green agenda, no small businesses, no travel outside our area, electric cars, no holidays, no future’

‘hmm, never really thought about it’

Scotland is fucked.

273319 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 16, #192 of 1526 🔗

Have you read the comments on the Boris Daily Mail Article. People are really ripping into him. Time to contribute.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8996933/Boris-Johnson-makes-impassioned-colourful-plea-Britons.html

273330 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Basileus, 11, #193 of 1526 🔗

Weird how Michael Gove has suddenly reappeared, it is if is his comments on supporting the new measures were designed to be so outrageous so as to prompt Boris to have to say daft things and ensure the rebellion goes ahead. He is a real Machiavellian character , I do not think Boris is in any any great reset, he is just a pawn in the game but Gove worries me. Can just imagine Gove and Starmer in some sort of sleazy alliance, now them I could imagine might be in on some re-set plot.

273366 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #194 of 1526 🔗

Like Carrie, and Stanley, Gove is an eco-fool. Remember when he turned up at the leaders debate on climate change? Channel 4 turned him away. Gove also claimed he had swine flu during that ‘pandemic’ because of course he did.

Starmer, Carrie and Stanley are in or have been in Davos/WEF aligned organisations i.e. Trilateral, Oceana, Rockerfeller and the UN… Gove is just a fool.

273502 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to chaos, 3, #195 of 1526 🔗

The globalist Michael Govid.

273526 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #196 of 1526 🔗

His missus is writing in the mail today. Seemed like an anti govt piece. A foot in both camps do you think?

273321 Merlin, replying to Merlin, 43, #197 of 1526 🔗

An article in the express on Thursday detailing a meeting between Boris and the 1922 committee made me laugh. I’m he he compared his tiers and spring plan to:

Mr Johnson compared the gradual easing of local restrictions to “steadily starting to insert graphite rods into a nuclear reactor.”

As a nuclear engineer I can say that inserting a graphite (moderator) control rod into a reactor will usually end in a prompt criticality and meltdown, possibly a “rapid thermal disassembly” of the reactor.

Not sure if he is an idiot tryi gbto sound clever and fucking it up. Or whether, his analogy was deliberately apt given by the the economy and society will be in melt down and heading through the bedrock!

What a fucking cock-womble.

273325 ▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Merlin, 14, #198 of 1526 🔗

Clearly he didn’t watch Chernobyl! This government are infinitely more clueless than the plant workers working the reactor that night. They’re certainly trying their best to emulate the tyrannical government sacrificing lives to save face.

273351 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Elenesse, 8, #199 of 1526 🔗

I think he used the metaphor specifically because he did watch Chernobyl. He just didn’t grasp the detail. Perhaps he got distracted. Or was getting to second base with some chick whilst watching it.

273372 ▶▶ Mel, replying to Merlin, 11, #200 of 1526 🔗

He, along with the rest of his cabinet, is scientifically illiterate. None of them has a science degree, and have shown that they are incapable of challenging the questionable ‘advice they are being given.

273661 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mel, 2, #201 of 1526 🔗

Merkel has a PhD in Physics – same policies more or less.

273404 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Merlin, 1, #202 of 1526 🔗

Tried and failed to share a gif and now can’t delete comment

273418 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #203 of 1526 🔗

download it and upload it? Was it a gif of a cockwomble? I would love to see that.

274672 ▶▶ FrankZ, replying to Merlin, #204 of 1526 🔗

Your post got me wondering how one does control a nuclear reactor – I have no idea myself. Went looking:-

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/nuclear-101-how-does-nuclear-reactor-work

Nuclear fission creates heat

The main job of a reactor is to house and control nuclear fission—a process where atoms split and release energy.

Fission and Fusion: What is the Difference?

Reactors use uranium for nuclear fuel. The uranium is processed into small ceramic pellets and stacked together into sealed metal tubes called fuel rods. Typically more than 200 of these rods are bundled together to form a fuel assembly. A reactor core is typically made up of a couple hundred assemblies, depending on power level.

Inside the reactor vessel, the fuel rods are immersed in water which acts as both a coolant and moderator. The moderator helps slow down the neutrons produced by fission to sustain the chain reaction.

Control rods can then be inserted into the reactor core to reduce the reaction rate or withdrawn to increase it.

Am definitely not saying you’re wrong. I have no idea one way or the other. You’ve just piqued my curiosity, and am interested to know from a nuclear engineer how this works.

273323 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 21, #205 of 1526 🔗

Boris’ faux Churchillian ‘oh boy am I well read’ impostures in that MOS article, are as cloying as peanut butter and stodgy as an over baked flat Yorkshire pudding. If that butters any parsnips with rebels then God help us.

273547 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #206 of 1526 🔗

You take the biscuit with your figures of speech. Your comment is the icing on the cake. 🙂

273662 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #207 of 1526 🔗

The churchillian comparisons which may be apt are Tonypandy and Gallipoli.

273327 Biker, replying to Biker, 36, #208 of 1526 🔗

Fat American Pig Johnstone turns the braindead zombie police fucks on the public. When will the people of this nation realise we’re under the jackboot of these Davos one world cunts and do the right thing? Johnstone should be in the Tower and all these fucking MP’s that sup at the the fucking trough should be with him. It’s only gonna get worse. I truly believe that we will need a peoples army where we have open warfare against these cunts. They ain’t gonna stop. When will it be enough? Will it take them going round the doors and disappearing people or will it be the forced vaccination of your children? They will force it on the children either by you “agreeing” or they’ll remove them from you “for their own wellbeing” and do it anyway. We are in a fight for our lives and a fight it will have to be. Who thinks them utter morons in the Labour party wouldn’t do the same as Johnstone. They’re all Davos cunts too, so’s the fag in the Liberal Party, the SNP are straight up communist so they will have no problem killing millions. No, there is no choice, many of us will be murdered by the state trying to get these fuckers off our backs.

273337 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Biker, 31, #209 of 1526 🔗

Rewatching some of the highlights from yesterday’s protests, it’s incredible the amount of restraint shown by the protestors.

The police chased one guy down Regent Street, bundled him over some plastic barriers and 3 or 4 of them landed on top of him. TSG reinforcements quickly surrounded the melee while more TSG officers piled on top. The crowd of protesters gathered around, shouting and filming on their phones. They easily outnumbered the TSG 10-to-1. Yet no one attacked the officers.

Obviously we’re conditioned at a deep psychological level to allow men and women in yellow tabards and tight-fitting blue caps to use violence on us and ours.

273564 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Mark H, 10, #210 of 1526 🔗

i agree – I wonder what if a group of protestor get involved in the scrum to try and disrupt. I guess it’s conditioning and fear of getting arrested also that makes protesters hold back. I’ve seen at a local protest i went to and videos yesterday how the police tactics – they target an individual and 2 nab him followed swiftly by 10 or more to surround the scene. Need a mob of veterans to counter the police.

273597 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sue, 6, #211 of 1526 🔗

Need a mob of veterans to counter the police.

Yes.

273349 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 6, #212 of 1526 🔗

There was mention of northern accents among the Police at the London demo.

Like Hitlers Germany, Francos Spain had several overlapping Security Services.
The most feared and hated were the Guardia Civil.
In a typical village would be a modern building housing these guys who would always be from as far away as possible and rotated every 6 months or so with the deliberate aim of not encouraging cosiness with the local population.
I had this explained to me after one of them pointed his gun at me for trying to take a touristy photograph of him

273495 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 8, #213 of 1526 🔗

That’s interesting. I was told by someone at Kings Cross yesterday not to interact with the police, he clearly didnt trust them. Turns out he was Romanian, has experience of corrupt and violent police.

273593 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Biker, 1, #214 of 1526 🔗

Train to be a Common Law Constable.

274234 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, 1, #215 of 1526 🔗

Have you watched The Big Lebowski and know what a ‘ Johnson ‘ is ? ..just asking.

273332 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 32, #216 of 1526 🔗

I often see people make mention of the charter on human rights. The UK, of course, has one.

But did you know that each entry in our charter on human rights has a caveat?

The caveat:

  • There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

So yes, on the surface we have the “right” to protest. We have the “right” to have a private life, to travel, etc.

But if those “rights” are deemed to affect “public safety” or “health”, the public authority can interfere with the population exercising those rights.

That’s why the police are allowed to turn up mob handed, with their government-approved monopoly on violence and weapons, run through the streets of London and snatch people off the streets, commit acts of violence upon them and remove their freedom and also impose financial penalties. One guy being arrested yesterday was told he was under arrest for breaching “regulation 9, Covid” .

The UK government can, at any time, such as now, impose new laws to “protect health” and our rights vanish like the steam off a tramp’s piss.

That’s what freedom we have. The freedom to to what we’re told, when we’re told. Or be pepper sprayed. For our health.

273605 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark H, 4, #217 of 1526 🔗

These laws cannot be elevated above Common Law.

274052 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Mark H, #218 of 1526 🔗

In the end we only have the rights we have the power to enforce.

Our civil liberties exist only if enough of us are prepared to defend them when they are attacked.

273334 Margaret, 12, #219 of 1526 🔗

The local paper is telling us that in our city, 268 people have been tested using the lateral flow tests, of which 12 have tested positive. ( population 260,000). None of them have symptoms.

Does anyone here know if mass testing using PCR is still going on at the same time? Our paper has been totally useless on information.

Handjob and Bozo were boasting about half a million PCR procedures being carried out every day by the end of October(I refuse to call them tests). Has that target been quietly abandoned in favour of lateral flow tests?

Thanks.

273335 Richard Collinson, replying to Richard Collinson, 1, #220 of 1526 🔗

That article by the former NHS Doctor on capacity is fantastic, unfortunately the instructions to share stories don’t seem to apply to IPhones?

273371 ▶▶ rms, replying to Richard Collinson, 2, #221 of 1526 🔗

Works on my iPhone with Safari. Don’t know about other browsers. Press on the Title and an anchor chain icon appears. Click on that to open in a new tab, then use the iPhone’s “sharing” function to share via your preferred method.

273340 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 21, #222 of 1526 🔗

Remember, around 1500 people will die today, most of them from Covid and most of them maskless.

Pull your mask even tighter over your nose and mouth as you scurry about your anti-social distancing and ignore the disinformation about hypoxia, virus capture, bacterial or fungicidal infection and the psychological dissonance arising from prolonged half-face exposure.

You don’t want to be one of those 1500, do you?

273347 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Stuart, 15, #223 of 1526 🔗

And yet by the end of 2020 it looks as though, despite the dreaded virus, the total population of the UK will have increased by 20,000 or more. The Spanish Flu and the Black death lead to a population decrease whereas SARS-Cov2 has scarred us all witless and yet at the same time lead to a population increase, its a funny old pandemic that works like that!

273345 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 24, #224 of 1526 🔗

Are any labour MPs voting against lockdown or as vocal as so many conservative MPs are? If not, I find it ironic that the Labour Party, the party of the people would vote for something that is harming the very people they purport to support.

273350 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Moomin, 24, #225 of 1526 🔗

The Labour party don’t care about people they were set up to convince the dumb asses that they had someone fighting for them so while they worked for someone else they got an extra five minute tea break. Funny how they’re called Labour but a cunt like Kier Stammer has never done a days labour in his pathetic life. One of the reason i hate labour supporters so much is how are these poor, working people able to vote for a man like him and then slang of the tories when they’re all men like him? Morons. Democracy is just as bad as communism

273507 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Biker, 5, #226 of 1526 🔗

Kier Starmer gives ever indication of being a half-wit at best yet he has risen to great heights. How is that possible?

273540 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #227 of 1526 🔗

Sold his soul and power corrupts

273355 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Moomin, 13, #228 of 1526 🔗

Labour sold out ages ago. Even from its founding over a hundred years ago there was always a wing of the party who hated the working class, what they stood for and their values. They also always had authoritarian tendencies and would love nothing better than to lecture to the working class to let them know “what’s good for them.”

Their main constituents are now those living in Hampstead and Islington with their large houses, working from home and sitting atop generous savings & pension packages. Ditto students and ethinc minorities that they can manipulate.

Hence they have a vested interest in keeping this shit show going for as long as possible.

273536 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Moomin, 11, #229 of 1526 🔗

My Labour MP voted for lockdown 2 ‘with a heavy heart’. . . because it was ‘too little too late’.
Tosser.

273636 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 7, #230 of 1526 🔗

They’re all tossers, feathering their own nests at OUR expense. I no longer believe in the British Establishment. They are the enemy of the people.

273352 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 38, #231 of 1526 🔗

The heavy handedness of the police doesn’t surprise me. They’ve not exactly covered themselves in glory since this shit show started.

What we’re seeing here is selective policing. When it comes to BLM and XR protests, the police do nothing and instead take to the knee or have a super jolly time with the protestors. When its ordinary people protesting about the loss of civil liberties, the police, sorry Gestapo are on them like a ton of bricks.

Ditto outside London where you have the likes of the West Midlands Gestapo harassing disabled customers for not wearing a muzzle.

So what has happened then to the likes of knife crime, thefts, assault, grooming gangs; do they no longer exist? Or the Gestapo can’t be bothered with them anymore because, like, its sooo hard work!!!!

I’ve lost respect for the police here in the UK. I thought they were different and better to the police in the country I left behind but this is no longer true. Different country, same shit.

The police have got to get a grip because that line has been crossed. And when the day of reckoning comes, “I was only following orders” isn’t an excuse and their weasel words of “apology” won’t be good enough.

273353 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #232 of 1526 🔗

So what has happened then to the likes of knife crime, thefts, assault, grooming gangs; do they no longer exist?

Probably all solved Bart. Oh, that’s if they ever existed, because according to some plods I have spoken to in the past it’s my “perception” of crime that is the problem.

273356 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #233 of 1526 🔗

Someone on Twitter wondered about that too – they’ve solved all crime and now have nothing to do.

273379 ▶▶▶▶ Sara, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #234 of 1526 🔗

Thieves have been busy stealing Christmas trees. Shame nearly all the police were diverted to central London.

274777 ▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to kh1485, #235 of 1526 🔗

It’s the masks, obviously. They have also reduced road deaths, saved hundreds from fatal gardening accidents and been responsible for a dramatic reduction in verucas and athlete’s foot. Takes all kinds of miracles to add up to 130k saved . . .

273436 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #236 of 1526 🔗

We had a set of ladders stolen off my other half’s work van in the early hours of Thursday morning. Rang the police but were told by them , sadly they target work /company vans at this time of year and gave us a crime number. They even said that if they are used in a crime then they can rule out my other half from committing the crime!

273631 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CapLlam, 5, #237 of 1526 🔗

Our police are now part of government enforcers, solving crime is no longer part of the job. Robert Peel will be swivelling in his grave.

273499 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #238 of 1526 🔗

What would happen if the whole bus started chanting BLM and demanding that the cops “say her name” and ‘take the knee’?

273354 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 24, #239 of 1526 🔗

There has not been much in MSM that a retraction request has been sent to medical journal Eurosurveillance by multiple PCR scientist about the Drosten C-19 PCR paper early this year. This is to be published Monday.

http://cormandrostenreview.com/

Why is it important?

“An estimated 70% of all SARSCoV2 PCR kits in use today is based on this Drosten/Corman protocol.”

https://twitter.com/patricksavalle/status/1332822808913727493

Another PCR expert Kevin McKernan

“I did not know who Drosten was a month ago and I’m still out of the loop on the controversy. Not having any of that baggage perhaps made me an ideal neutral party to review his work on the Charite primers. I’m stunned there are this many flaws.”

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1332819740188942339

The views of McKernan about PCR must be taken seriously. As someone described him

https://twitter.com/patricksavalle/status/1332821384175742978

“Meet the inventor of the SOLiD sequencer. Probably sequenced more genomes than anyone on the planet. Makes dinner using PCR.”

The important issue is that there are many serious objections to Drosten’s C-19 PCR paper which was issued rapidly this spring endorsed by WHO and basis for 70% of all testing worldwide. This is not an attempt to deny Sars-Cov2 or indeed take away usefulness of PCR testing in certain circumstances. The problem is the mass testing of asymptomatic using a method (Drosten) which,according to world renowned experts, has so many flaws.
Interesting to see whether Eurosurveillance will publish the retraction request this Monday or not.

273478 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to swedenborg, 4, #240 of 1526 🔗

Great stuff! Many thanks.

274180 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #241 of 1526 🔗

https://twitter.com/pjvanerp/status/1332974230070325253

Here is the list of signatories of the letter.It includes Yeadon and Craig but also
McKernan

273491 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to swedenborg, 3, #242 of 1526 🔗

Flagged by Sucharit Bhakdi and Wolfgang Wodarg at the beginning. One of the reasons I contributed to corona.film

273483 ▶▶ dommo, replying to 2 pence, 11, #244 of 1526 🔗

they really are much better at protesting than us aren’t they…

273624 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to dommo, 3, #245 of 1526 🔗

When we lived in France protests and strikes were very popular. The police were very laid back about it too.

273358 John Stone, 14, #246 of 1526 🔗

This maybe Johnson’s downfall, sounding less like Churchill than the headmaster of St Custard’s or even it’s broken school bell. Curious that they have only got round to Vitamin D synchronous with the vaccines when they could have been doing it for a year.

273367 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 28, #247 of 1526 🔗

Yet another letter sent to my useless MP this morning. No punches pulled now! I urge all fellow sceptics to do likewise.

Dear Mr Sobel,
I think it only right to tell you that by voting in favour of lockdowns, in whatever shape or form, you are complicit in MURDER. This is not to put too fine a point on it. There will come a day of reckoning and those who actively pursue the imprisonment of human beings at such a terrible cost to their health and their lives will have a very heavy price to pay.
It’s time you made a decision that reflects your humanity and ends this destructive madness.

Harry Hopkins.

273373 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Harry hopkins, 14, #248 of 1526 🔗

As far as I’m concerned now there is so much evidence that lockdowns do not work MPs are now split in to two categories – the good guys who speak out against lockdowns and follow through when it comes to a vote and everyone else who is the enemy now.

273619 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to dpj, 3, #249 of 1526 🔗

The bad guys outnumber the good ones.

273375 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #250 of 1526 🔗

Thinking about the NHS when they turned it into an icon at our Olympics then used it as a weapon for Covid. Took it away for ‘protection’ and we were told it wouldn’t be returned until we ‘behaved’, (Hancock and Johnson). Makes you wonder about the planning for all of this.

273445 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #251 of 1526 🔗

Wembly Stadium was a Coronavirus.
The whole weird ceremony was all about the covid bomb. They knew it was coming. All of it was pre-programming.
Lots of people were perplexed at the symbolism employed in that “ceremony” and to be fair nobody really saw the corona bomb clearly being assembled.
The child catcher, Mary Poppins the “nanny”, the Greta figure being raised up into the grip of death, like a sacrifice, all the sick children in their hospital beds being pushed around by dancing NHS nurses.
Well with hind-sight, how stupid were we? Even us more enlightened than the average brainwashed Joe types didn’t quite get it.

273468 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 7, #252 of 1526 🔗

Yep, I didn’t watch the opening ceremony at the time but recently watched it, the nurses dancing and a Boris look alike in the hospital bed. Very spooky and all happening in plain sight.

https://youtu.be/pXUM-_9zZ_w

273493 ▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to stefarm, 5, #253 of 1526 🔗

Red Ice Radio ran several interviews in the lead up to the London Olympics. Loads of chat regarding the symbolism of where the stadium was built (fault lines etc) and the historic/occult significance of the site.

At least 2 of the interviewees suggested that whatever the opening ceremony would contain, it would be some sort of subliminal messaging from the elites. Of course, they also predicted some sort of terror event would take place. It didn’t.

One of the guys interviewed had done a ton of research and within a few months of his interview he apparently killed himself by jumping out of a window.

Regardless, hindsight is 20-20 and the NHS segment of the ceremony is very interesting to look back on.

274715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark H, #254 of 1526 🔗

I used to love Red Ice Radio then they went very very far right all of a sudden and I stopped listening. It was a pretty strange transformation. They used to be all esoteric and free-thinky.

273520 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 2, #255 of 1526 🔗

Spooky

273614 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 6, #256 of 1526 🔗

C. O. V.I.D = Certificate of Vaccination ID

Now do you see?

273376 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #257 of 1526 🔗

That Christmas advice from SAGE is so bonkers that it can’t be real and reads more like a spoof.

If they think that those measures will save granny from Covid, they’ve forgotten that their advice will result into granny dying from catching a chill or pneumonia.

What a bunch of nincompoops!

273380 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #258 of 1526 🔗

Just remember what Lord Jonathan Sumption has said….it’s all unenforceable.

273389 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to alw, 23, #259 of 1526 🔗

Sadly my husbands two brothers are refusing to go back to their mother in case they inadvertently kill her.

That means

On the downside…

1. My 7 year old doesn’t see any cousins
2. We will be shamed as potential granny killers and granny will be monitored for symptoms

On the upside …

1. I won’t have to listen to the woke brother in laws, one who works in a university and is holier than thou.

Maybe a good thing then!

273482 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #260 of 1526 🔗

Surely it’s granny’s choice as to whether she takes the risk? If it’s acceptable to her the brothers should stop being ninnies.

273791 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #261 of 1526 🔗

Ah but they are woke and virtuous. They know best. Better than their mother.

Poor woman. It’s one of her biggest pleasures to see the family and grandchildren at Christmas.

273428 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, 5, #262 of 1526 🔗

Exactly. Sadly enough idiots will be heeding SAGE and their bonkers advice.

273474 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to alw, 4, #263 of 1526 🔗

i think what he actually means is that it would be practically unenforceable if everyone refused to co-operate, simply from a logistical point of view… but i stand to be corrected

273403 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Bart Simpson, 20, #264 of 1526 🔗

Seem to have been written for a certain class that have fire pits, play charades and live in properties with room for more than one table.

273429 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paulus, 11, #265 of 1526 🔗

Noticed that too and goes to show that they live in La-La Land. Or like those deluded foreigners think that the UK still lives like those in Downton Abbey.

273544 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Paulus, 9, #266 of 1526 🔗

Took me 30 years before I got a dishwasher! Ffs bring your own plate….. don’t start me on the Scottish twit talking about serving spoons

273602 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Paulus, 7, #267 of 1526 🔗

Yes surprised it did not say make sure all your staff are properly masked. And clean the guns before you go out shooting!

273702 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #268 of 1526 🔗

Leave your clearly labelled green wellies outdoors. Welly swapping is a Covid risky activity.

273443 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #269 of 1526 🔗

So according to them let’s just give granny pneumonia instead from sitting with the door open! Probably be down as a covid death anyway.

They are complete and utter idiots

273467 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CapLlam, 3, #270 of 1526 🔗

Yep. Another way to bump up Covid deaths.

Idiots.

274432 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #271 of 1526 🔗

Why is it only granny? Where is granpa going to sit?

274517 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, #272 of 1526 🔗

Yeah good point. Why do these morons constantly mention only granny?

273377 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #273 of 1526 🔗

I note that the reports above indicate that the people arrested were issued with a £100 Fixed Penalty Notice (FPN) and then released. Presumably these FPNs were issued under the;
2020 No. 1200 PUBLIC HEALTH, ENGLAND The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020
It will be interesting to know if any of the people receiving these FPNs send them back and request a Court Summons instead, as is their right, and then whether the CPS issue a summons? As the above regulations would seem to be a Civil rather than a Criminal law they do not inherently create any arrest-able offences and so I guess the fact that these protesters were arrested was due to the emergency nature of the situation, so they would have had to have been released as the above regs have no custodial penalties.
Also, it would be good to get a civil liberties lawyer to comment on whether these regs give the Police the authority to search the person concerned?

273395 ▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #274 of 1526 🔗

Given that only 40 people have been convicted of being maskless since the edict came into force, I guess most of these fines won’t be enforced.

273453 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to alw, 4, #275 of 1526 🔗

and civil liberties lawyers are in very short supply!

273481 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to bluemoon, 6, #276 of 1526 🔗

Curious that they’ve all gone into hiding (apart from the odd bit of disinformation peddling).

273486 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to bluemoon, 2, #277 of 1526 🔗

Indeed, where is Cherie when you need her ?
I believe that part of Covid regulations do require you to identify yourself, the only time this has happened in peacetime with exceptions of the Police reasonably believing you have committed a crime or when in charge of a motor vehicle.

273523 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to karenovirus, 3, #278 of 1526 🔗

Cherie! That was sarcastic wasn’t it? She’s out shopping on 5th Avenue.

273689 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to bluemoon, #279 of 1526 🔗

😉 🍾

273599 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to bluemoon, 4, #280 of 1526 🔗

That depends if your trying to get into this country, the HR lawyers will fall over themselves to defend their rights.

273488 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #281 of 1526 🔗

The police use the “you’re failing to give your details which prevents us from issuing this fine, therefore you are under arrest.”

The arrests are for failing to give details.

273558 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark H, 4, #282 of 1526 🔗

Even being arrested for failing to give details won’t help the police much if:

1 You continue to refuse to give your details
2 You have nothing on you, not even your phone, that can identify you
3 You paid for your train/bus ticket by cash
4 You caught the train/bus from a town where you do not live
5 You are not already known to the police, ie they do not have your fingerprints/DNA attached to your name

They cannot issue an FPN without a name and address, it is also difficult to charge somebody without them either. They have 24 hours to charge you or release you.

The food is terrible, eat well before attending your demonstration…

273381 JustMe, 5, #283 of 1526 🔗

Ivor Cummins and Dr Malcolm Kendrick: First Hand Experience – the Lowdown on Lockdown! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x6eSZA90M4

273382 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 4, #284 of 1526 🔗

Has this been linked to before?

https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/

It has less signatures than the Barrington declaration, worth sharing if you can.

273595 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Rabbit, #285 of 1526 🔗

Isn’t it aimed mainly at Doctors?

273386 Ben, replying to Ben, 25, #286 of 1526 🔗

If this was in China or North Korea, Western media, the Guardian, BBC et al would be clutching their pearls and pointing the accusatory finger of indication whilst shouting ‘see the lack of human rights!’

They’ve been doing this regarding Hong Kong but have suddenly developed an outrage blind spot to the newest form of tyranny imposed on Hong Kong citizens – endless Covid testing, QR codes, immunity passports, the dystopian social credit system. High tech slavery destined for the West

273473 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ben, 5, #287 of 1526 🔗

Quite. Where is Liberty and the infamous Baroness formerly attached thereto? Where are all the kimono clad lawyers, Scottush lawyers and democracy loving activists?

274263 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #288 of 1526 🔗

Liberty are a joke

273387 Tom Blackburn, 1, #289 of 1526 🔗
273388 Adam, 1, #290 of 1526 🔗

The only thugs I saw were wearing uniforms the Police are a complete embarrassment and disgrace it’s long overdue We need a written constitution and move to becoming a federal republic overwise we will be forever stuck in perpetuality with the outdated old class system that has no place in a modern world

273392 alw, replying to alw, 4, #291 of 1526 🔗

Kate Harrandine wrote to Liam Fox for a second time about lockdown. The response is a disgrace. Dr Fox and his PA must surely be a contender foe Mike Graham’s Plank of the Week!

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/this-dismissive-attitude-to-voters-is-shocking-dr-fox/

273425 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to alw, 9, #292 of 1526 🔗

Fox is my MP. He’s a wanker. Now he’s moaning about his constituency being n Tier 3, well so am I obviously, but he’ll never vote against lockdown; judging from the crap he wrote to me back in July about masks….”minor inconvenience….short term….we must all play our part” etc etc ad nauseam.

273592 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to thedarkhorse, 3, #293 of 1526 🔗

We can add Dr Fox to the wanquer song along with Gates Tedros Johnson etc.

273396 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 11, #294 of 1526 🔗

The footage from yesterday was upsetting. The bike spewed out over them on Twitter and elsewhere was also astonishing. All they’re doing is standing up for our liberty!

273410 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 6, #295 of 1526 🔗

Small group deliberate swamping of social media

273589 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #296 of 1526 🔗

That’ll be the governments 77th Brigade.

273397 david, replying to david, 9, #297 of 1526 🔗

Sent various forms of the attached to:

My MP (member of CRG)
Conservative Party
Labour Party
Telegraph, Times, Spectator

I don’t expect responses but feel they need to be swamped.

Labour’s lack of response to Government’s lockdown strategy
NICE use a figure of £30,000 per Quality Adjusted Life Year (QALY) to test the cost effectiveness of medical interventions. Current government spending of £900M per day equates to 30,000 QALYs per day.

Even the discredited 4000 deaths per day scenario is equivalent to much less than this.

How on earth can the government justify this when people are dying from untreated cancer and heart attacks and businesses are going bust?

Talking of justifying things, how can the government justify the heavy, over the top, police presence at yesterday’s peaceful anti-lockdown protests in London AND then dictate to the mainstream media not to report it? Are we living in a police state? It looks like that to me.

The only dissent I am seeing is from the Conservative rebels. Labour’s position is that we should do more of the same. You are supposed to be the opposition and supporting the common man. You are not doing it. You clearly do not have the country’s interest at heart. Why not?

273437 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to david, 2, #298 of 1526 🔗

Thanks. This is exactly why I’m so skeptical of the Governments pledge to publish a full cost-benefit analysis of these new Tiers. There’s no way it can resemble Economics or they’d have to admit it’s all bs
I predict it’ll be along the lines of 5k/50k/500k will DIE (delete at random, doesn’t matter) unless we spend £5bn/50bn/£500bn (again, delete at random), all deaths are tragedies therefore we must do it.
I honestly believe that there are some narcissists who think that our Gov would spend an infinite amount of healthcare regardless.

273616 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #299 of 1526 🔗

It will be okay because Diane Abbot has agreed to help with the numbers

273398 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #300 of 1526 🔗

I found the Vitamin D report in today’s issue very interesting. It is astonishing that a national program having each person in LTH to have 100µg and most likely one tablet Zinc a day is not implemented. They are both incredibly cheap and safe with an effect of increasing resistance to respiratory viruses.
The obsession with vaccines in MSM is part of Big Pharma promotion obscuring the fact that treatment of C-19 has made big progress and also successful prophylaxis in HCW with safe and cheap tablets. The belittlement of treatment and prophylaxis of C-19 by Big Pharma has an easy explanation. The EAU (emergency authorisation) of the vaccines is dependent on no reliable treatment or prophylaxis of C-19. And EAU is a pathway for Big Pharma to have all liabilities of vaccine side effects to be paid by the government.

About zinc

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01712/full

273411 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to swedenborg, 8, #301 of 1526 🔗

Guaranteed to fail with that low dose.

Then they can say “see we told you so”.

273469 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #302 of 1526 🔗

Indeed. It’s a derisory dose.

273584 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to thinkaboutit, #303 of 1526 🔗

Please clarify why 100mcg is a low or derisory dose. I think I may be confused between IU mg and mcg. Thanks

273824 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ken Gardner, #304 of 1526 🔗

IU
The IU is an International Unit, usually used to measure fat soluble vitamins including Vitamin A, D and E.
The conversion of IU to mg varies depending on the nutrient.
VITAMIN A
One milligram of beta carotene = 1667IU of Vitamin A activity.
15mg of beta carotene = 25,000IU of Vitamin A activity.
VITAMIN E
One milligram of Vitamin E = approx 1.21 to 1.49IU (depending on the carrier).
400IU of d-alpha tocopherol = 268mg.
VITAMIN D
One microgram of Vitamin D = 40IU.
400IU of Vitamin D = 10ug.

273424 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to swedenborg, 13, #305 of 1526 🔗

I’ve been using Vit D + zinc and a few others since watching a video of Professor Delores Cahill back in March. She was also a great proponent of HCQ all of which were panned by our corrupt government. I haven’t had so much as a sniffle.

The government is our Enemy, never forget that!

273471 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #306 of 1526 🔗

Vitamin D in winter at our latitude makes sense. I’ve taken 25µg/day for the last three winters. Helped a lot with psoriasis (disappeared in a couple of weeks), that alone was enough to make it seem worthwhile. 180 pills from Sainsbury’s for about a fiver.

273586 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #307 of 1526 🔗

I buy mine from Nature’s Best online. A lack of Vitamin D apparently causes a lot of health issues, even people with diabetes have improved their health by Vit D. No wonder Big Pharma doesn’t want us to know about its benefits.

273948 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #308 of 1526 🔗

Vitamin D3 is the one to go for, apparently.

273620 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #309 of 1526 🔗

Yes was the first anti lockdown thing I saw, pulled me out of the depression I was in thinking I was alone in seeing this bs.

273406 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #310 of 1526 🔗

Does anyone know where I can find the diagram which shows the many links between universities, big pharma, NGOs and the Bill & Malinda Gates Foundation?

273413 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dave #KBF, #311 of 1526 🔗

I think the swiss doctor has it?

swprs.org

273476 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to PoshPanic, #312 of 1526 🔗

Thanks I will do some searching.

274568 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Dave #KBF, #313 of 1526 🔗

The Mirror Project also have some stats on one of their films about him on BitChute. Among other goodies.

273407 Bart Simpson, 13, #314 of 1526 🔗

Here’s my email to my useless MP:

Dear Dr Useless,

I wrote to you back in May to register my objection against the lockdown and I am writing again to implore you to vote against the continued restrictions.

I work in the museums and heritage sector. My workplace has now set in motion the process of compulsory redundancy and I am one of those at risk.

This should never have happened. The lockdown, restrictions and so-called Covid safety measures all have played a part in my continued employment looking bleak. I know I’m not alone in this.

This government has destroyed the economy, undermined our civil liberties and engaged in a policy of divide and rule all in the name of “safety” and “protecting” the NHS which since this crisis has been more like the National Covid Service.

I will conclude by quoting Peter Hitchens:
If on Tuesday you vote to destroy the jobs and livelihoods of others, do not expect to keep your own. When the reckoning comes for this, there will be no such thing as a safe seat. Scottish Labour MPs once thought their seats were safe. Look what happened to them.

Thank you and I look forward to your response.

Yours sincerely,
etc, etc…

273408 Nsklent, 6, #315 of 1526 🔗

https://youtu.be/8oj5N6q28C4
People now being arrested on buses/ coaches for travelling to London.

273414 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #316 of 1526 🔗

Agree with the diagram above about relationship abuse. Absolutely fits. Government is gaslighting. Boris Johnson’s article in Daily Mail today is another example of this.

273450 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #317 of 1526 🔗

Yes, finally a reply from my MP Helen Whately (Minister of State for Social Care) to an email sent 31 October (her minions are probably lurkers here). Protecting the NHS, all the big boys are doing it, safety, none must die and so forth.This was my response.

By protecting the NHS (as you see it) at everybody’s expense you have turned it into Moloch. Many more lives will be lost (and many, many more QALYs) than any saved by the latest Tier 3 incarceration. You are increasing the exposure of vulnerable people by increasing their relative mobility (since you are immobilising healthy people). By the time this is proved (although your own figures indicate that it is so) the catastrophic generational damage will have been done.

We shall hope for some sort of reckoning at the ballot box but it will be little consolation.

The Carthaginians bought poor children to sacrifice to Cronus instead of their own offspring. They eventually began sacrificing their own children in even greater numbers when Cronus failed to produce the expected results since he was obviously displeased by their earlier subterfuge.

273417 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #318 of 1526 🔗

Anyone have Pauline Latham as their MP?

She was just interviewed on Sky. Going a bit wobbly on rebelling against the government on Tuesday.

She needs to put her big girl pants on and not back down to the lying, incompetent Doris with his list of inappropriate metaphors and portfolio of restrictions.

273463 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #319 of 1526 🔗

She is serially wobbly. Wobbled on Brexit too. Typical Tory backbencher: says the right things to start with and then ‘with a heavy heart’ caves in.

273420 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 12, #320 of 1526 🔗

The arrests at protests make me so angry. Fucking insanity. On what legal authority? BLM in the height of the pandemic and the cops kneel. You need armed rebellion, not stupid protests. How about thousands storm parliament while in session.

273462 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RyanM, 7, #321 of 1526 🔗

On what legal authority ?”

The authority of solid elite political and social backing.

Plod always has a very sharp nose for who can safely be bullied and who has political or other “protection” from harassment.

273464 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to RyanM, 4, #322 of 1526 🔗

While singing Jingle Bells and throwing Monopoly money at them. Singing and board games are forbidden, apparently.

273421 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #323 of 1526 🔗

I guess “In the bleak midwinter” will be a shoo in for the most appropriate Christmas carol this year

273432 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #324 of 1526 🔗

I like the “Bill Gates is a wanquer” song that was doing the rounds last week.

273430 Bella Donna, 7, #325 of 1526 🔗

My ‘Covid 1984’ hat arrived today from Etsy, surprise surprise its made in China!!

273431 Mark T, 11, #326 of 1526 🔗

For those who are intending to write to their MP and other representatives, I would suggest that you don’t simply copy / paste because that can be easily spotted and “discounted” by representatives. If you are not confident about what to write, take bits and pieces from what others have done (I am quite confident that nobody who is sharing on this site is going to have an issue with that) and put it your own feelings and emotions or tie it in to your own life / family / etc. For anyone interested, this is what I wrote to all of the representatives in my area (so not just my MP):

I write again to all representatives applicable to my postcode in regards to the latest vote on the government’s plan to continue prohibiting individuals from living their lives as they see fit. It matters not to me which political party you belong to – this is both a plea and a demand that each of you as individuals be aware that what the government continues to do is anathema to a free society and is 180 degrees away from the purpose of our government: that is, PROTECTING individual rights and freedoms, not ignoring and trampling on them.

I could concentrate on how Covid is of little health consequence to all but a tiny segment of the population. I could present multiple statistics on how even though each death due to Covid is a tragedy, within the context of all other deaths that occur each year, they are barely above what a bad flu season causes. I could show how every model and prediction made by the so-called experts that the government has made use of has not just been wrong, but been spectacularly wrong (yet models and hypotheses and plans by other experts continue to be ignored). It is also undisputed that the government is guilty of promoting hysteria by presenting data and statistics that although may be factual, neglect providing context and / or a full picture that would lead any reasonable person to judge that they were of significantly less concern (I urge you to read Ross Clark in The Daily Mail 23/11/20 for examples of this). And none of the preceding even touches on the soaring domestic abuse, mass unemployment, suicides, failing education of the youth, astronomical spending and borrowing by the government as well as the mental and economic destruction and thousands of deaths caused by the Covid measures implemented.

The above could be presented in many multiple pages with data, graphs, charts and commentary. And that should be enough to vote against these measures. But as each and every one of you must be aware of all of that by now and we still find ourselves in this situation because the most recent measures passed despite the avalanche of evidence from Lockdown I, it is clearly an ineffectual argument. It is also not the way to argue this because it is actually secondary to the simpler and more important reason why you (or whichever member of your respective party who is eligible to vote) should be voting against this continuation of government expansion.

My life belongs to me and nobody else. And that goes for your and every other person’s life. Every individual has the moral right to lead his or her life as s/he sees fit – without the need to seek “allowance” or “permission” from the government because the right of the individual to act is a moral starting point. The government does have the right to prohibit some actions but if and only if there is indisputable evidence of an individual initiating force on another or putting people in danger (which is very clearly lacking in this Covid situation given it is not a concern for more than 98% of the population). As there is no justifiable reason why individuals should not be able to risk assess and live their lives as they see fit, deciding which way to vote comes down to: In this country, is an individual free to live and act with only certain actions prohibited or is an individual prohibited from doing anything unless specifically allowed? Does my life belong to me or does it belong to the state?

If you believe in the rights of the individual that have been fought for and won over centuries of conflict and triumph in this great country, then voting against these measures is the only choice. I urge you to do so if you have the right to vote or let it be known within your party that this is the right course of action.

Sincerely,

273433 ianric, 4, #327 of 1526 🔗

It has been obvious that many legal issues are raised with lockdowns. I apologize for the length of this post. To illustrate this, I will compare how lockdown rules compare to drink driving :-

  • One of the fundamental protections provided by law is that thresholds and criteria must exist.  To be convicted of drink driving you must have drunk alcohol and the blood alcohol level must be above a certain limit according to law of your country.

Imagine if drink driving was an offence but there was no definition of what type of drink is illegal and how much you have drunk. As a result of this you can be convicted of drink driving if you have drunk anything and regardless of how much you have drunk.

A major issue with lockdown is that there is no criteria or threshold as to what characteristics a disease must possess before lockdown laws can be introduced eg fatality rate, severity of symptoms and what proportion of the population must suffer severe symptoms, how infectious the disease is, number of cases etc. If laws have no threshold or criteria this is a recipe for tyranny. With no criteria or thresholds, governments can introduce lockdowns which shut down the economy, deprive us of basic rights and do massive and social economic damage regardless of the characteristics of a disease. The lack of threshold and criteria means that lockdowns can’t be appealed on the basis they contravene law. For instance, if there is no legal threshold as to what the fatality rate should be before a lockdown is introduced, a lockdown can’t be appealed as being illegal if the fatality is very low.

  • There must be solid scientific evidence to justify laws.  Drink driving laws are justified as there is irrefutable evidence excessive alcohol impairs senses when driving. Imagine if drink driving laws covered drinks where there was no scientific evidence the drinks impaired senses.

Lockdown laws can be introduced when there is no scientific evidence to justify them. I have asked the question on the internet on various forums if asymptomatic transmission is possible. The general consensus is that it doesn’t exist. I sent a FOI request to the NHS and asked various questions regarding asymptomatic transmission which they were unable to answer. Healthy asymptomatic carriers who can’t spread covid are regarded as disease carriers and are subject to lockdown laws and there is no evidence to justify this. A justification for lockdowns is that covid is highly infectious.  This is contradicted by the notion that covid tests have to stick a swab deep into the throat and nose which is intrusive and should not be necessary to detect a highly infectious disease. Swabs from the mouth should be enough to find if someone will transmit an infectious virus when coughing, talking or sneezing.

  • Tests which are used to determine legal decisions should be reliable. To convict someone of drink driving, the test used to detect blood alcohol should be reliable. Imagine if the test used on suspected drunk drivers couldn’t tell the difference between alcohol and non alcoholic drinks, couldn’t say how much alcohol someone had consumed and picked up alcohol consumed a long time ago which could result in people being convicted for drink driving on false grounds.

Lockdowns are being introduced on the basis of unreliable PCR tests.

  • There should be a logical justification for laws. Drink driving laws are justified on the basis of that excess alcohol can impair the senses and cause drivers to crash which puts other road users in danger.

Many lockdown laws are illogical. Business are forced to close when there is no logic behind closing them. In businesses such as clothes, electrical shops, bookshops, gyms, museums and visitor attractions it is very easy to for people to keep away from each other due to their size and these establishments sometimes only have a small number of customers in them.  In hotels customers stay in their rooms and don’t mix with each other.  Under lockdown laws people couldn’t travel to second homes where they may not be in contact with others if they stay at an isolated home.

273434 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 5, #328 of 1526 🔗

Why on earth are people accepting being arrested without challenging it, i f the arrest process is as described above ?

The first thing that should have been said by those arrested is to deny that they were part of the march. Unless photographic evidence on an individual basis can be presented by the police, then the presumption of the filth lifting people from within the ranks of innocent bystanders as “easy targets” can be offered to the court in good faith and if it cannot be challenged by presenting the arresting officers to the court, then the prosecution should and must fail in a just system (although the Magistrate’s Bench is notorious for accepting the lies of the police, and it is likely that this corrupt avenue will be attempted in future).

In such corrupt and unjust circumstances, there is no reason why those bystanders, if unlawfully arrested, should feel obliged to pay the fixed penalty “just to get rid of the problem”.

Be advised that although I have considerable experience as a security auditor, I have no legal qualifications and those actually attempting to go down this route should obtain qualified legal advice.

273449 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichardJames, 15, #329 of 1526 🔗

Surely a bit difficult to not ‘accept’ several burly coppers dropping you to the floor and handcuffing you just hoping you resist to justify them using their batons.

The time to refuse to comply is after you have identified yourself to the desk Sergeant and been given access to the Duty Solicitor.

I was wrongly arrested by S. Yorks Police at the height of the miners strike (though nothing to do with that). When 3 Officers and Sergeant lied in the Magistrates Court I followed my Briefs advice not to respond to the Prosecuters invitation
“Are you calling these Officers liars ! ?”
I simply repeated my evidence plus a bit more that showed that they were.

Rightly acquitted and offered Costs.

273969 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 1, #330 of 1526 🔗

I put my remarks rather badly, but the scenario as written above the line seemed to imply that the person was not going to fight the case; if he is, then good. I agree that the time to refuse to comply is as you have said; I didn’t say anything otherwise. I said “challenge”, not fight back.

273456 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RichardJames, 17, #331 of 1526 🔗

“Why on earth are people accepting being arrested without challenging it, i f the arrest process is as described above ?”

What makes you think they are not challenging it?

The police by and large don’t care whether they get a conviction or whether the fine is paid, in these circumstances – the primary purpose is simply to harass the people in question and physically remove them from the streets to disrupt and suppress the demonstration. The secondary purpose is likely to be intelligence gathering for the purpose of future harassment of “organisers” and management of dissent.

They likely do not care even if they get some “wrongful arrest” cases upheld against them – this harassment has clearly been authorised and pushed by the police hierarchy with the full backing of the political authorities. No policeman will suffer as a result of any criticism or his or her behaviour towards these demonstrators, (barring some really extreme case). That’s the opposite of the situation when policing marches for approved causes such as BLM or XR, where policemen know they might face real disciplinary and career consequences for any heavy handedness.

273978 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mark, 2, #332 of 1526 🔗

“What makes you think they are not challenging it?”

Only that he didn’t state that he was, in his piece above the line. I hope he does. I am well aware that your reply is likely to be correct; harass, remove, photograph.

While I agree with the thrust of your comments, I felt it was important to point out a suitable course of action for anyone reading this who thought that was the end of the matter.

Making a complaint is always worthwhile. The likely three thousand compensation has to be paid via the police liability insurance, and the more people that take them to court the higher the insurance premium and “policy excess” will be.

You must always complain; if you do, nothing may happen, granted, but if you don’t complain then “nothing happening” will be a certainty, no?

274030 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RichardJames, 2, #333 of 1526 🔗

Yes, I agree with you on that. If nothing else, complaining bulks up the complaint stats and gains some recompense for some at least of those disrupted and it all helps to build pressure.

273587 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to RichardJames, 4, #334 of 1526 🔗

The Coronavirus regs are written under the Public Health act which by my understanding makes the whole think a civil law matter with no arrestable offences. The regs oblige you to give the details needed for a summons or a FPN to be issued, if you provide those details that should be the end of the matter. I think the regs do also give the Police the power to remove someone from the scene if they refuse to go voluntarily. So I guess the Police would say the arrest was to provide time to supply the requisite details and remove the person from the scene. I understand that unless another offence had also been committed, as soon as the Police had obtained the details and issued an FPN the people were free to go.
The Public Health act seems to have been written to control Rats in hotel kitchens and docks and to provide powers to remove a TB patient to a Sanatorium if they will not go voluntarily. To see them used in the way they have been in these demos is strange. I would like to see the legality of all this challenged but I am not sure how this could happen?
If any of the people issued with a FPN send it back and, as is their right, demand a court summons it will be interesting to see if the Crown Prosecution Service actually take any of these cases forward?

273441 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #335 of 1526 🔗

Concerning yesterday’s London protest, much has already been covered ATL. This is my experience from yesterday:

Arrived early in London (as I always do) and walked from Waterloo up to King’s Cross. I arrived at King X about 8-30 am. There were already four or five police officers present at the entrance, and vans arriving by the minute. By 9-30 there were at least twenty vans present, the majority TSG vans. Most were parked between St Pancras and King’s X, but others were dotted around in the side streets.

I had a coffee from Costa on the mezzanine in the station, where staff were already cordoning off most of the balcony. Some coppers looked my way more than once, so it was time to beat a hasty retreat.

My co-protestor and I were planning on each doing our “own thing” and meeting up after the protest, but that plan was quickly thrown out the window. By now, the concourse was crawling with police, hassling anybody sitting there. We agreed to meet on the Underground concourse at the St Pancras end.

We heard a rumour that the location had been switched to Marble Arch, so we hopped on the Underground to Marble Arch, arriving at about the same time as Piers Corbyn. The march kept on being turned, though we did manage a good length of Oxford Street. It was as we turned into side streets that the police started swooping. As stated ATL, they seemed to target specific individuals, and instructed small groups they had split away from the main demo to disperse.

We were in one such group, and made a tactical withdrawal to a coffee shop by Trafalgar Square. This was the end of our personal demo, though I read that there were attempts to regroup.

The police have switched tactics, now it is time for us to do the same. Discussions about to be opened.

273454 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #336 of 1526 🔗

Thank you for doing this. I arrived late and would have been useless marching as I’m currently injured and walk slowly, but I was determined to be there. I was shocked by how many police were at Kings Cross, far more police than people, lots of police vans which did an intimidating whoop around the block at one point. Worrying.

273506 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to thinkaboutit, 11, #337 of 1526 🔗

They realise most anti-lockdown protesters are ordinary people who do not normally attend rallies. They enjoy that sort of intimidation.

273510 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #338 of 1526 🔗

To join the police these days, they must do a psych assessment and if you show signs of being a sociopath or even better a psychopath you’ve got the job.

273739 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #339 of 1526 🔗

I was up walked from Euston to the cross around 1 o’clock.

Several convoys of TSG vans screaming towards Marble Arch I guess.

At the Cross I encountered huge numbers of police, not many civilians.

Had a bit of a laugh tweaking the tail of the dragon with three or four of the police pairs. Showed them the live feed from the main demo and never suggested they were wasting their time here and should be at the main demo. One policelady rose to the bait ‘don’t worry we have plenty of Met colleagues to handle that’. I said that’s good- I think you are going to need them ‘

When a detachment of TSG screamed off to the east, I joked with another pair of plod, someone gave these guys the wrong coordinates . ( while showing them the live feed). That brought a laugh to one of them. I imagine the regular plod don’t like the TSG that much.

Will try harder next time….

273496 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #340 of 1526 🔗

Targeting ‘specific individuals’ was very efficiently done judging by the mobile coverage I was watching from a couple of sources. I have often thought with the wide range of surveillance equipment the police have, that people believed to be organisers can be identified and then snatched.
I think the game was given away yesterday when a mobile broadcaster caught an exchange between a female protester and a policeman at Marble Arch. He was telling her to go home, she argued about human rights, he said I’ve seen you before at another demonstration – go home now before we arrest you.
I thought I recognised her, distinctive appearance, from Trafalgar Square(?) – but it’s highly unlikely given the many thousands of people at these demos that he would have come face to face with her before. So he’s seen her photograph.
She wasn’t arrested. All of those targeted, that I saw, were young men.

273504 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to bluemoon, 6, #341 of 1526 🔗

You’ll see officers with cameras, either bodycams, or cameras mounted on monopods. They certainly look for faces they recognise, usually of those they think are troublemakers. This usually means people who have shouted at police to “choose a side” or something similar.

273553 ▶▶ Gill, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #342 of 1526 🔗

I’m sick of feeling so damn helpless all the time and want to do more. Can we talk sometime?

273621 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #343 of 1526 🔗

Huge respect to you and everyone who went. You are my heroes. Thank you.

273447 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 20, #344 of 1526 🔗

Sky News’ Sophy Ridge on Sunday this morning had on Hugh Osmond of Punch Taverns. He made the case that the lockdown restrictions are destroying jobs and lives. He did this very effectively, pointing to facts. His presentation was dispassionate evidenced analysis leading to inevitable conclusions. Sophy Ridge’s repeated response was to say, “I can see you feel passionately about this,” as though he was just emoting. I suspect she couldn’t even see the irony.

273455 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #345 of 1526 🔗

Evidence does not compute with these sausages. The ONLY effective tactic is to tell people EXACTLY what you think of them and why. Electric shock therapy for the soul. Wake up you fucking imbeciles, you are the baddies.

273459 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #346 of 1526 🔗

Not only an extremely successful businessman, but also a part-qualified doctor. Both he, and his original business partner, Luke Johnson, left Oxford prior to completing the clinical part of their degrees.

273479 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #347 of 1526 🔗

Punch Taverns are a nasty organisation though. Their business model is cruel and sets people up to fail.

273568 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Will, 3, #348 of 1526 🔗

I understand there is some truth in what you say but we need these corporations to stand up and be counted. Obviously it is hitting them in the pocket as well as their beleaguered tenants.

274338 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, #349 of 1526 🔗

The mainstream media is populated with obedient, brainless parrots. There are no journalists anymore, only autocue reading stenographers.

273448 PoshPanic, 1, #350 of 1526 🔗

My word of the day..

o•ver•reach (ˌoʊ vərˈritʃ)
v.t. 1. to reach or extend over or beyond.
2. to exceed (a goal) by excessive effort.
3. to defeat (oneself) by excessive eagerness.
4. to strain (oneself) to the point of exceeding a purpose.
5. to get the better of, esp. by deceit or trickery; outwit.
v.i. 6. to reach or extend over something.
7. to reach too far.
8. to cheat others.
9. (of a horse) to strike the forefoot with the hind foot.

Not sure how number 9 fits mind you?

273457 Tom Blackburn, 2, #351 of 1526 🔗

Is the CRG going to seek cross-party support at any time?

273465 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 18, #352 of 1526 🔗

Hi everyone,
after hearing a short radio clip yesterday on Radio 2 stating that SAGE are now advising the general public against playing board games over Christmas due increased risk of catching Covid-19, I thought it might present a good opportunity for open ridicule of our Government and local MP’s who support the lockdown lunacy.

I’m going to send my own MP my old scrabble with a message selotaped to the front, made up from some of the game pieces. I’m going to ask my MP if they could see to it that the game is safely disposed of before it does someone real harm.

I think if other people were to repeat this idea in large enough numbers and it gained coverage, our MP’s might start to feel a slight tinge of embaressment, maybe even a healthy glint of shame!

I’m trying to contact several high profile individuals to see if we can get this idea off the ground as i’m sure it will be popular if the idea is suggested by the right people.

I hope you’re reading this Toby as you’re one of the individuals I can’t seem to find contact details for and i’m not going registering on Twitter lol!

273500 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to NonCompliant, 6, #353 of 1526 🔗

Great idea! They don’t seem to listen to reasoned argument even from the GBD trio, so let’s try ridicule instead. But please everyone keep sending those emails too. We need to use every tool available.

273649 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #354 of 1526 🔗

True. Perhaps also contact local businesses, and urge them to also lobby their elected representatives – don’t assume they are all familiar with the problems with the issues of ‘cases’. Some may be, but perhaps a great many will not… When they realise their lives, their families, & their mortgages, are being wrecked for a test with inherent flaws — false +ve issues; unable to distinguish infectious individuals; etc etc — I suspect they will get very, very angry. Banded together they may even get media exposure, even if its in a local rag to start with…

273539 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NonCompliant, 9, #355 of 1526 🔗

I think I’ll send my MP some Monoploy money as a contribution to campaign funds. And to the CSO and CMO. And Hancick and Michael Covid!
Let’s all do it. Ridicule the tossers.

273546 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to NonCompliant, 6, #356 of 1526 🔗

As Covid is a notifiable disease, should we all send used board games and jigsaw puzzles to Matt Hancock at the House of Commons. Apparently it’s illegal to dispose of medical waste in general rubbish.

Let his office deal with all the Covid crap.

274802 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to thinkaboutit, #357 of 1526 🔗

Send him a truckload/lorryload of discarded masks.

273600 ▶▶ Sue, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #358 of 1526 🔗

send them monopoly with the ‘go straight to jail’ card!!

273618 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NonCompliant, 6, #359 of 1526 🔗

They even had a cobra meeting to discuss Christmas dinner arrangements.

273669 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #360 of 1526 🔗

Discussing whether to ban snakes and ladders at a cobra meeting!

273623 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to NonCompliant, 5, #361 of 1526 🔗

We should post all our old board games to Witless and Unbalanced

273671 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to vargas99, #362 of 1526 🔗

please send them to me instead. We love board games. Wouldn`t want them to be wasted on those idiots.

273466 Brian D, replying to Brian D, 23, #363 of 1526 🔗

If any of you have Lisa Nandy as your MP, she was just on the Andrew Marr show around 9.25am with her ‘let it rip’ smear….

If you can bear to watch it (I couldn’t after that) then give it a watch and get your emails to her. Remind her that smearing those tories who want to let it rip (which is something along the lines of what she said) is smearing everyone in this country who wants to be treated like an adult, everyone who has lost their jobs due the worship of discredited modellers and whose lockdown incited mental health deterioration has led them to suicide etc.

The one thing I hope when they make these incendiary statements is that people who are wavering will see through it and see how if they really cared about people they would care about honest and truthful debate instead of this childish smearing of people who disagree with them.

273518 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Brian D, 9, #364 of 1526 🔗

It’s such a tired cliche by now as well.

273627 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Adamb, 6, #365 of 1526 🔗

It also seemingly is a phrase totally unique to covid… Tuberculosis has been allowed to let rip through society for thousands of years. It still kills 1.5-2million per year worldwide. Last time I checked the deaths attributed to covid (of course we know the issues with official reporting of figures) were broadly similar to TB. in terms of worldwide numbers. Shame on Governments for letting TB rip!

273580 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Brian D, 7, #366 of 1526 🔗

Virtue signalling for Dummies, Granny killers, Let it Rip, I’m wearing my mask to protest YOU, omg, are these people ever going to have a critical thought, zombies or what, just what the NWO ordered

273615 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Brian D, 7, #367 of 1526 🔗

If we had let the virus rip we wouldn’t have even noticed it.The government have caused far greater deaths now and in the future by their policies.

273472 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #368 of 1526 🔗

Dan Hodges has pivoted to full sceptic.

“This week MPs will be asked to rubber-stamp the latest desperate gamble masquerading as the Government’s Covid strategy. And they must refuse.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8996569/DAN-HODGES-time-Tory-MPs-told-Boris-stumbling-lockdown-lockdown-isnt-strategy.html

“We now need a line in the sand. A moment when we, as a nation, agree to say: ‘We have done all we can. Now we need to begin to return to normal life.”

273498 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #369 of 1526 🔗

I reached that line back in May when it became clear we were being lied to by our own Davos puppet.

273596 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #370 of 1526 🔗

Well, indeed. But my point is that if the centrists start to shift in numbers, that will alter the balance crucially

273585 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #371 of 1526 🔗

Can Johnson let it go before January and instructions from Davos?

273475 caravaggio57, replying to caravaggio57, 2, #372 of 1526 🔗

For those of you wondering about Vitamin D dosing. In Manchester, for Vitamin D deficient patients the approved dosing and prescribing regime was Hux D3 20000iu, 50 capsules. One daily for 2 weeks then one a week until the 50 capsules was complete. Hux D3 is available without a prescription.

273538 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to caravaggio57, 9, #373 of 1526 🔗

Great advice. However, it is better to get a vitamin D3 and Vitamin K2 combination. If severely deficient (anyone in a care home) then take at least 10,000IU per day ongoing.

All others, take at least 4,000 IU per day (up to 10,000 IU).

Always take vitamin D3 with with vitamin K2 and Magnesium – it helps the body to absorb the vitamin D3 and absorb Calcium into the bones and teeth.

When you doctors warn you that Vitamin D3 could be dangerous, they mean that calcium could build up in your blood (if you take a high dose over a long period of time) – easily fixed by adding the K2 and magnesium.

When you read that vitamin D3 in high dose is sooooo dangerous on the internet it is subtle censorship (ongoing for months) to ensure that you get too scared to take supplemental vitamin D3 and therefore be sick and ‘ripe’ for getting one or other pharmaceutical drug prescription.

Take responsibility for your own health and the NHS is crumbling and you might not be bale to depend on them in future.

273477 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 42, #374 of 1526 🔗

In the reports above, one writer said: “ Overall, I found the police presence completely over the top. They seemed to be randomly picking off any individuals who had become separated from the main march; much like hungry lions preying on injured gazelles – easy, unwitting targets. Their approach was heavy-handed, unreasonable and not in keeping with common-sense, proportionate policing.”

If only that was where they drew the line. As we were being routed from Hyde Park, I witnessed the arrest of the young man in grey, who had nothing to do with the protest. He was simply out for a walk in Hyde Park with two friends. A group of TSG approached him, and said “There’s a protest going on and we’re trying to disperse it. We know you might not be involved with the protest, but you need to go home.” The young man quite politely stood his ground and told Constable Savage that he was entitled to stay in the park. Whoops! You don’t answer back, silly. It’s the Black Maria for you!

Still, the day wasn’t without its fun. As I caught a Tube with a small posse of protesters towards Marble Arch, I sat down, as one does when one sees an empty seat. The man sitting a couple of seats along quickly said to me, “I suppose you’re f—king exempt?”, to which I responded, “I am, yeah.” Quick as a flash, he jumped out of his seat and sat on the opposite side of the train. A moment later, he realised he had only moved nearer to one of my smiling comrades, so he shot up again and sprinted into the next carriage. Lol.

273637 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben Shirley, 3, #375 of 1526 🔗

Difficult as it might be Ben but would you offer up what you witnessed for his defence should it go to Court ?

273764 ▶▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to karenovirus, 3, #376 of 1526 🔗

Yes, I think I would. Although, if it he does take the matter to court, I don’t know how I’d know about it.

273683 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben Shirley, 10, #377 of 1526 🔗

I suppose your fucking exempt. What a dirty rotten bastard.

273761 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 12, #378 of 1526 🔗

“I suppose you’re a fucking collaborator” would have been one possible response.

273766 ▶▶▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to calchas, 1, #379 of 1526 🔗

Good one – I’ll try to remember that.

273484 dhid, 4, #380 of 1526 🔗

Does anyone know if the Mayor of Denver and our “Health” Secretary are related?

Just wondered……

273485 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 16, #381 of 1526 🔗

People being arrested on coaches at service station Welcome to Johnson police state UK
https://youtu.be/8oj5N6q28C4

273494 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to tonyspurs, 6, #382 of 1526 🔗

Shocking

273497 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tonyspurs, 8, #383 of 1526 🔗

Arresting people on coaches going to protests isn’t a new thing at all. It’s been a standard police tactic for ages.

273511 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 10, #384 of 1526 🔗

They’ve been doing it to football supporters for years

273534 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Two-Six, 6, #385 of 1526 🔗

As us football fans know only too well but a large part of the general public are now seeing it for themselves,

273606 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to tonyspurs, 10, #386 of 1526 🔗

Agree nothing I’ve seen on the streets yesterday hasn’t been done at football for years.
It’s because of lockdowns a class of people who have only ever seen the police as friends are seeing them in their real light.

273680 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #387 of 1526 🔗

There has been a lot of silver linings throughout all this coronabollocks. society and the people within have exposed their true colours.

273728 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to tonyspurs, #388 of 1526 🔗

In fairness policing of football matches (whence I acquired my profound respect for police horses as tools for mob control) is basically a matter of public order rather than suppressing political dissent (notwithstanding the routine intrusion of political correctness indoctrination into football).

273725 ▶▶ dhid, replying to tonyspurs, 7, #389 of 1526 🔗

I never imagined a few years ago I would despise the police as I do now.

It is extraordinary that the law is being broken and assault with unlawful arrest seems to be the new “normal”.

Where the hell are the “libertarian” MPs who are opposing this?

Oh, that’s right, there aren’t any!

273489 Paul B, replying to Paul B, 2, #390 of 1526 🔗

Wait, what am I missing, surely you want all hospital beds to be full all of the time?? Unless we have cured everyone.

273574 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Paul B, 2, #391 of 1526 🔗

Not really, you always need a certain amount of empty capacity to cover breakdowns in staffing/equipment/maintenance schedules.

In Ireland, the HSE runs its hospitals at 95% which is part of the problem at the moment. 90% would be a better level of occupancy. Depending on how you structured things, it might be possible to use half of such spare capacity (5%) on day case treatments, allowing the system to suspend these in times of surge in other illnesses.

273492 Matt Mounsey, replying to Matt Mounsey, 15, #392 of 1526 🔗

The SAGE Christmas advice is hilarious. Yeah, let’s open the windows in the middle of winter and stick granny next to one of them. Then let’s spend most of the time together outside instead of indoors with the heating on. Because that wouldn’t cause everyone to be ill in the morning!

The idea that every person in a home won’t be sharing the same air at some point is pure fantasy. Oh, well. If you don’t get to go to the panto’s this year at least you can do your own at home.

273515 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Matt Mounsey, 10, #393 of 1526 🔗

Brilliant recipe for contracting pneumonia. That will definitely kill grandma

273672 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Matt Mounsey, 5, #394 of 1526 🔗

A large portion of the population live in fantasy. They believe that social distancing with a rag over their face for the best part of 9 months has enabled them to go about their day to day and avoid a virus.

273745 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Matt Mounsey, #395 of 1526 🔗

Isn’t the “fire pit” in one of the inner circles of Dante’s Hell?

273501 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #396 of 1526 🔗

What we need right now is a black US career criminal to be killed by a cop.

273524 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #397 of 1526 🔗

Surely you mean a “gentle giant”? Followed by “mostly peaceful” community outreach activity?

273626 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #398 of 1526 🔗

Reeeeee! totalising binary rhetoric !

273508 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 25, #399 of 1526 🔗

I sincerely hope that the people wrongly arrested (those stupid enough to have drugs in their possession were idiots) yesterday bring criminal cases against the Met Police: –
Wrongful Arrest
Assault (as a starting point)
False Imprisonment
Misfeasance in a Public Office
Plus civil cases under the Human Rights Act and the Common law

273517 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Gladiatrix, 14, #400 of 1526 🔗

It sounds like they knew they didn’t have any real right to arrest anyone so they were searching everyone hoping to find drugs or a knife etc in their possession so they could charge them with something.

273569 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dpj, 5, #401 of 1526 🔗

If a police officer arrests someone and only after, and as a result of the arrest, finds something that justifies arrest, would that not be prima facie evidence of false arrest?

273611 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #402 of 1526 🔗

I believe yes, there is a legal area that comes under Fruit of the poisonous tree. ie. if you conduct an illegal search, it doesn’t matter if you find a cache of weapons & who knows what else – it should be thrown out if the initial basis for the search was not on sufficient legal grounds. Well at least that’s what happened on Murder One. 🙂

273668 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #403 of 1526 🔗

You need good legal representation to argue this though. the average guy with drugs on them doesn’t have this.

273514 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #404 of 1526 🔗

If it wasn’t for the fact that I’ve got nothing against onions, and hope their furlough and prolonged time together doesn’t produce too many shallots, I would be thinking about now of innovative and painful ways to make the SAGE & onion stuffing this Christmas truly long and memorable. Might even make it both orifii – at the same time. And unless he allows singing, the parson’s nose is going to suffer too. “FUCM every one !” said Tiny Tim,

273521 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #405 of 1526 🔗

Could we stuff the Pig Dictator with SAGE and onion?

273516 BTLnewbie, 4, #406 of 1526 🔗

The original of the ‘abusive relationship’ wheel is here – quite genuine:
https://www.wmhi.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Abusive-Relationship-Infographic.pdf

273519 Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #407 of 1526 🔗

Nothing really new in the UK treatment of dissenting coronapanic protesters. That’s how real dissent (as opposed to authorised and approved mob thuggery such as BLM and XR) has always been treated, allowing for development of tactics and technology. It’s how resistance to mass immigration was crushed in the mid-late C20th, with similar mass propaganda, indoctrination and smearing of dissenters.

All that is happening here is that a bunch of people who never knew about that or thought it was ok because those were “bad” people with “bad” opinions (just as the majority today are indoctrinated to think coronapanic dissenters are violent, fringe people with irresponsible, irrational views) are encountering harsh reality. Some of them doubtless are violent, fringe people (and it’s always easy to portray people as “violent” when they are attacked by police or “counter-demonstrators”, just as some of those resisting the intentional transformation of our society for the benefit of big business and leftist ideologues were actually meaningfully “racist”), but the smearing is similar. That’s what you can do when the people who own, manage and staff the media are on board with the government line.

Indeed, that’s pretty much the only major technique from the “anti-racist” playbook that isn’t currently being used by the regime – the deployment of thuggish “counter-demonstrators ” to provoke violence, which is then blamed on the victims. That, I suppose, is because it’s difficult to square with the propaganda line that demonstrators are irresponsibly threatening public health. (Unlike, obviously, demonstrators for approved causes).

What’s at stake is whether history will be written to show resisters as it shows the “racists” who resisted mass immigration – as bad people with bad ideas who were defeated by noble, steadfast resistance, or to show them as those pursuing the victorious political correctness causes of the C20th were and are portrayed – as noble campaigners for truth and decency.

That history, of course, will be written by the victors. We shall see.

273563 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, -1, #408 of 1526 🔗

History is written by historians.

273594 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #409 of 1526 🔗

From the winning side.Do you think if the globalists win,future generations will learn of false positives at 45 cycles.

273663 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #410 of 1526 🔗

History is written by the victors every time. All versions of history are skewed in this manner.

273708 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #411 of 1526 🔗

Good, honest historical analysis is written by historians.

“History” is constructed to suit the needs of the powerful – usually (initially at any rate) the winners of the conflict in question.

273744 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #412 of 1526 🔗

But only published at the whim of the victors, otherwise it stays in a drawer somewhere.

273525 Basics, replying to Basics, 36, #413 of 1526 🔗

Thanks to all who protested.

Personally I don’t condone the pulling down of temporary roadwork barriers to block others in daily life but understand that was a tiny minority – I also understand the deliberate antagonism by the MET of snatching women and older people to anger the crowd.

The police do not represent the spirit and soul of our nation. Nor are the constables up holding the customs and traditions of our lives. Each are finished as individual humans – their colleagues are leaving the force when they can, they are getting no satisfaction out of their jobs. Intellectual stunted grunts remain who can omly thrive when propped up by motivational acceptance within their little team.

If you are a police grunt reading this wake up to the training you have had. I do not mean the part where you are told to invade anothers personal space with your left hand open palm fingers pointing to dominate the conversation while leaving your right hand ready to grab or protect. I am asking you to look at the value system you have had professionally imposed on youself. You are a long way from Kansas. The police thugs on the streets of London yesterday from push bike teams, through community blue shirts, to crap hat and helmet TSG all have behaviour patterns that appear in people disconnected from reasonable human nature. Your value system is wrong.

Those who were attending the peaceful protest are brave folk and have my respect.

273533 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Basics, 13, #414 of 1526 🔗

Re pulling down barriers, it was my impression they were the things that have sprung up everywhere to widen pavements, in which case fair game I’d say.

273590 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Basics, 9, #415 of 1526 🔗

I would’ve loved to see sawdust, glass bottles, petrol and small rags to be fair.

273685 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Winston Smith, -4, #416 of 1526 🔗

Are you in 77th Brigade?

273706 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to RickH, 9, #417 of 1526 🔗

Fuck off, if I met one of those cunts, they’d be picking up their teeth up off of the floor!

273709 ▶▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #418 of 1526 🔗

Rioting is the last thing to do, it just gives the police justification!

273529 Julian, replying to Julian, 9, #419 of 1526 🔗

This is worth a listen, and check out her Tweets (Pollock, that is, a Public Health Expert):

https://twitter.com/TerryMcGinnUK/status/1332732733899018242

“You could sense the panic in the interviewer’s voice as @AllysonPollock
calmly outlined how the Government’s mass testing experiment in Liverpool is a huge balls-up – start at 24.43 https:// bbc.in/2JrFEjq It may be some time till she’s on the BBC news again”

273601 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, 9, #420 of 1526 🔗

Allyson Pollock is very good. One of the very few who got it into a MSM interview in an absolutely clear manner the other week – the PCR test being done does not detect if you are infectious.

273531 FlynnQuill, replying to FlynnQuill, 17, #421 of 1526 🔗

My letter (for what it is worth) to my local MP.

Dear Mr Morris,

I take it on this coming Tuesday (1st of December), you will again be voting for the total destruction of local business and people’s livelihoods like you have on previous occasions?

May I remind you Mr Morris, in the last general election you scraped through by the skin of your teeth. If it hadn’t been for the Brexit party candidate splitting the vote, your seat would now be held by a Tory MP. Thousands of your local constituents have lost their businesses and livelihoods. You have been complicit in helping this corrupt lying government usher in a totalitarian regime to control every aspect of people’s lives. Where people demonstrating for freedom are beaten, arrested and or fined.

So, Mr Morris, you need to search your conscience and either vote again for the complete destruction of more local business and jobs as you have on previous occasions. Or, finally stand up for the people who put you in your very comfortable position.

Be on the right side of History!

Yours sincerely,

273717 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #422 of 1526 🔗

Great letter

273541 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #423 of 1526 🔗

https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/coronavirus/bei-markus-lanz-virus-kommt-nicht-aus-wuhan-top-virologe-ueberrascht-mit-aussage-zu-pandemie-ursprung_id_12710622.html

Interesting interview with Prof  von Kekule, virologist from Germany. The actual worldwide spread of C-19 came from Itay (pandemic explosion), where the virus was circulating for months undetected, mutated and became even more adapted to humans. It was from Italy all the big serious outbreaks of C-19 started, New York, Stockholm, London,Spain,France,South America etc.
This doesn’t deny that the original C-19 strain came from China but that strain was less transmissible. This could also explain the less effect of C-19 in East Asia and initially in the Pacific rim of the US with a less transmissible virus. But it was the  Italian version that really spread over the whole world. Possibly a controversial opinion but seems to be more around nowadays.

273607 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, 2, #424 of 1526 🔗

That was postulated by Victor Davis Hanson in April when discussing the difference between what happened in west and east coast America. He did not mention Italy but noted that New Yorks version of Covid came via Europe and had mutated to be more deadly.

All China-US flights land on the west coast and California in particular has (had) tens of thousands of Chinese tourists at any one time.

273543 Stuart, 1, #425 of 1526 🔗

Maskless protesters should realise that they, in their confontation with the Constabulary, are exhaling, expelling and expectorating vitus-laden CO2 emissions and droplets in the proximity of public servants who are protected only by a single layer of virus-impenetrable face cloth.

Protesters should reciprocate this concern for their safety and, two layers of Covid-repellent material being better than one, mask up to make assurance doubly sure.

Protesters should further understand that while they, maskless, might have been killing granny – an outcome not entirely out of line with government policy – the killing by similar means of the authorities’ uniformed enforcement is quite another matter altogether.

273551 Gareth, replying to Gareth, 8, #426 of 1526 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted, by here is Sky News Australia’s take on the London protest yesterday and the government’s current approach…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yhaLoWgf6M

273588 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gareth, 9, #427 of 1526 🔗

Sky Ñews Australia, a rare beacon of truth and light.

273666 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Gareth, 5, #428 of 1526 🔗

Hats off to these guys. Pity our Sky News are a bunch of collaborating scum.

273562 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 23, #429 of 1526 🔗

What I find really difficult to stomach is Boris Johnson’s patronising and completely inappropriate attempt to sound ”Churchillian”. He quite obviously feels smug and superior (”Listen up, peasants…”) The use of such language at such a time is unforgivable – and add that to the unforgivably selfish behaviour of his, his presenting to the nation as ”policy” (without debate) this ruinous ”green agenda” – and what do we have? Someone entirely unfit to govern, I’d say.
He needs to be unseated – but who could take his place to any beneficial effect?

273577 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Banjones, 16, #430 of 1526 🔗

Indeed. And despite his best attempts to adopt a serious face, there’s always a slight hint of a self-satisfied smirk in the background. Not a good look when you are presiding over such devastation.

273566 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 20, #431 of 1526 🔗

I fail to understand just how much more evidence MPs need. Seems to me that this is just a ruse to look like they are ‘doing something’. If you really can’t see the damage already being done, you really are a bit thick.

Greg Smith MP on Twitter: “In the @Daily_Express today I argue why we must see the detailed analysis that proves further restrictions won’t do more harm than good. I worry about the continuing impact our economy, on livelihoods, on other health conditions and people’s mental health. #Road2Recovery https://t.co/EjYnA6xZ6B ” / Twitter

273639 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 5, #432 of 1526 🔗

Greg Smith has obviously spent the last six months asleep.

273645 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to kh1485, 11, #433 of 1526 🔗

Where were these MPs in March? That is when the cost benefit analysis should have been done. Asking for it eight bloody months later when the country is basically bankrupt is too late. Moral cowards.

273682 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 4, #434 of 1526 🔗

Makes me think of the judge in the initial Simon Dolan case that stated ‘but that is not what I read in the newspapers’

273704 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 4, #435 of 1526 🔗

“Seems to me that this is just a ruse to look like they are ‘doing something’.”

I like that quote that is incorrectly attributed to Ronald Reagan, being “don’t just do something, stand there”.

It strikes me as appropriate advice to be given to governments.

273571 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 17, #436 of 1526 🔗

The Swizz miracle or the natural progression of virus?

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/ploetzlicher-turnaround-wir-koennen-nur-spekulieren-die-wundersame-corona-wende-in-der-schweiz_id_12711271.html

The Swizz government did not implement a second lockdown despite their experts recommending one (aping the European colleagues). Nothing extra was done from 29th Oct. The cases exploded and the ICU was filled and the usual fear in the MSM. Then it suddenly after a week of increase it suddenly turned around. FulI ICUs now have 20 % capacity and cases have been halved “despite” no extra SD and full restaurants etc.
Anybody looking into SD evidence in the Flu Pandemic Guidelines Oct 2019 would find almost no or low evidence of effect. But if you put these into mathematical models used by scientists and computer nerds without any virological knowledge, the models produced excellent results of SD.
Then apply them in practice and you are left with the biggest public health fiasco ever.

273674 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #437 of 1526 🔗

Then we have Peru v. Sweden.

273699 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to RickH, 2, #438 of 1526 🔗

Exactly.

But hasn’t Brasil done a Swedish approach? Peru and Brasil are similar yet one has 50% more deaths than the other. Guess which one….

273578 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 17, #439 of 1526 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/29/families-facing-hardest-period-in-five-decades-as-britains-economy-stalls

Well boys and girls, if you deliberately destroy your economy, the little person will suffer. Economics 101.

273650 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #440 of 1526 🔗

Oh so you are telling me the Guardian supported measures that has utterly bankrupted our Country and here’s me thinking they care about poor people. Cancerous paper!

273697 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JHuntz, 6, #441 of 1526 🔗

Like most middle class lefties, the Grauniad makes a show of caring for poor people, by way of virtue signalling.

273721 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #442 of 1526 🔗

They should have seen that coming when they were happy-clapping and squalling for everybody to be locked up.

273579 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 14, #443 of 1526 🔗

Good piece in the Mail by Charles Walker MP about witnessing an elderly lady protester outside Parliament getting bundled into a police van.

Comments are moderated but must be harsh, they have only allowed three.

273603 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 2, #444 of 1526 🔗

That old Mail Online trick!

273686 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, 1, #445 of 1526 🔗

Not moderated any more.

273591 Stella Talbot, 1, #446 of 1526 🔗

Morning! I would also urge readers in Ireland to write to their T.D.’s. As Peter Hitchens points out, votes are often all they understand. I suspect that most of them have absolutely no clue that there are any Irish people who oppose restrictions as the MSM completely ignore us. Don’t expect them to be familiar with any ant-lockdown arguments so keep it very simple.

273598 PCNoMore, replying to PCNoMore, 9, #447 of 1526 🔗

A quick shout out to all those who were arrested yesterday whilst peacefully protesting. Hopefully you took advantage of the free & independent legal advice you were offered in the custody unit and discussed the following with your legal advisor:

1.      Does the offence you were arrested for actually exist, and if it does, can the Police prove that you committed it? (All offences have certain constituent parts that the Police have to evidence to prove that you committed the offence. If they can’t, you didn’t commit the offence in the eyes of the law).

2.      Was your arrest necessary ? (Did you have to be arrested or could the matter have been dealt with by other means that didn’t necessitate you being deprived of you liberty?).

3.      Was your arrest proportionate ? (Was the offence so serious or the circumstances so extreme that arresting you was a proportionate action?)

From the footage I’ve seen & accounts I have read, I’m going to wager that the answer to most (if not all) the above will be “NO” in most cases. The Police know that and are hoping that you don’t and will dutifully pay your £100 penalty notice (not least because you’ve probably been frightened and intimidated by the whole thing).

Whilst I don’t want to override the advice of your legal advisor, it were me I would not be paying the penalty notice and would instead elect to have the matter heard in the Magistrates Court. This would require the Police to pass their “evidential package” to the CPS to review & consider. Knowing the overwhelming burden of proof that the CPS require to consider before putting any matter before the courts, I can’t imagine them wanting to touch these offences with a bargepole. And that’s before you factor in the huge backlog in the court system right now which has bought it to near breaking point.

For what it’s worth, plenty of good, sensible long-serving Police officers are as horrified with the current situation as you are, but like NHS workers, are unable to speak out. Unfortunately their numbers are dwindling and making way for those who tick the right diversity boxes and / or recent graduates who lack life experience, common sense and the ability to think independently.

273869 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PCNoMore, 2, #448 of 1526 🔗

My understanding is that unless violence or drugs were alleged then all the offences for which people were arrested were under;
2020 No. 1200 PUBLIC HEALTH, ENGLAND The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020
This would seem to basically be a civil law matter and so I think the arrests were because the situation was not conducive to providing the details needed for a summons/FPN under those regs and so they were arrested to enable them to be moved to a suitable place where those details could be given. As soon as the details were given and the FPN issued they were released. I have no idea of the legality of that approach?
It would be interesting to know if anyone does send the FPN back and request a summons and then if the CPS take any action?

274105 ▶▶▶ PCNoMore, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #449 of 1526 🔗

Steve, good points. I’ve no idea what offences were being cited at the point of arrest, but I’ll wager that the officers were told what to arrest for at their pre-deployment briefing (this doesn’t infer that they have any greater knowledge of the legislation than you or I). I do know that arresting someone is the “nuclear option” – once arrested the subject has a plethora of rights under the Police & Criminal Evidence Act & the arresting officers actions are open to scrutiny and sanctions if the arrest is subsequently deemed unlawful (why do you think high profile people who can afford good lawyers are always “invited to a Police Station for interview” and not arrested!).

Any arrest has got to be lawful, necessary & proportionate. I really can’t see how spontaneously leaping on a member of the public who’s offering no violence & is co-operative and then dragging them off in custody to a separate location for the purpose of issuing a penalty noticed can ever be deemed lawful and not an abuse of process. The whole point of penalty notices / fixed penalties is that it is an alternative method of dealing with an offence which negates the need to arrest and go through the normal legal processes.

The tactics and behaviour of officers at the last few anti-lockdown demonstrations looks nothing like the way I policed demonstrations for over 25 years and to be frank, I no longer recognise the Police as an organisation I once served in.

273604 Susan Nicholson, replying to Susan Nicholson, -16, #450 of 1526 🔗

I’m not happy about your conflation of removing lockdown restrictions and removing Boris Johnson. First, wrong though he is about locking down removing him won’t change anything but will play into the hands of those who don’t want Brexit. The problem isn’t Boris, it’s all government, most of Parliament and the power that SAGE has. That’s what you should be seeking to change. Not making personal attacks on the PM

273613 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Susan Nicholson, 18, #451 of 1526 🔗

I’d like to see him hang

273641 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Winston Smith, 10, #452 of 1526 🔗

….and be drawn and quartered.

HandCock needs torturing first!

273665 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dhid, 2, #453 of 1526 🔗

Sorry I can’t go alone with this. All this hang em torture em, shoot em stuff.
I have said this before on here a few times. If any of you saw somebody getting hanged or shot or tortured or perish the thought hung drawn and quartered it would destroy your lives for ever and the scars of what you witnessed would NEVER fade. Unless you were a psychopath, obviously.

273696 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Two-Six, 11, #454 of 1526 🔗

The behaviour of State officials has been such that there needs to be such an execution, the recording of which will then be shown to all future recruits to any public office/State job, as a warning against ever crossing the lines that this regime (and others around the world) have crossed.

273724 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Two-Six, 5, #455 of 1526 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Get a grip man!

273769 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 5, #456 of 1526 🔗

While I sympathise with your view, this current nonsense is Parliament’s Charles I moment. I’m afraid that examples must be made of the guilty, a la Nuremberg, reminding all those who follow to think and think again before stripping us of rights and treating us all as prisoners.

273974 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #457 of 1526 🔗

Two-Six is right, though, if a little overconfident in people’s squeamishness about violence and death. There’s a line here that’s a big one to cross. Though here it’s just a bit of hyperbole or overheated rhetoric, we don’t do the death penalty in the modern UK and while I’ve never had a problem with the idea that plenty of people “deserve” death and should, in principle, get it for their crimes, the hard truth is that the authorities just cannot be trusted to use it on the right people.

Leaving aside simple wrongful convictions, the elites have distorted and self-serving ideas about right and wrong, and they control the police and courts. It won’t be the Guilty Men who will be facing execution first if that starts, at least until it’s all over and a lot of blood has been shed.

274729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, #458 of 1526 🔗

I agree that trials should be mounted but no capitol punishment. Just asset stripping and incarceration. That will do fine.

274313 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, #459 of 1526 🔗

You aren’t familiar with dark humour then?

People who make these comments are in the main, like me, just using humour (even if you find it distasteful) as a bit of a safety valve.

You really can’t possibly know what people may or may not have seen or experienced in their lives, in the past. Dark humour is often used (and always has been) as a way to deal with it. Everyone is different.

Sorry if you find that particular kind of free speech offensive.
We wouldn’t want to start telling people what they can and can’t say would we? I think the comments I made were fairly evidently humour.

I hope you weren’t suggesting I might be a psychopath?
I mean, I’m a nice guy! …..Most of the time……..
Lol!

PS For clarity the last bit IS a joke!

274382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, #460 of 1526 🔗

PPS – to my reply above –

– I hope you feel as much concern for the poor souls who have concluded their own lives are no longer worth living due to the criminal stupidity and neglect of our “masters” in this crap and have killed themselves – I can assure you their families and friends definitely WON’T get over that – so maybe reflect on that! Eh?

274725 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dhid, #461 of 1526 🔗

well, I stand by what I say. We are only a few small steps from people actually being hanged from lamp posts and executed in the streets as a common occurrence. It won’t be government officials who hang.

Calling for this kind of thing is a very dangerous and a slippery slope. Yer in a fantasy world of revenge it might seem good. Have you every watched footage of a firing squad in communist china executing people or of Nazis in Germany shooting people, executions, or in war zones…

I have and I wished I hadn’t seen that kind of thing.

Its not funny. It’s deadly serious. I cannot get behind capitol punishment for what ever reason. It degrades the state to the level of the murderers/criminals. It undermines justice. It’s incredibly cruel and evil, a role no government should take on.

273678 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #462 of 1526 🔗

No way, just solitary confinement for life. With webcam installed so we can check in on him from time to time.

273642 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Susan Nicholson, 12, #463 of 1526 🔗

I absolutely hate the man with a passion. Is that personal enough?

273646 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JHuntz, 4, #464 of 1526 🔗

+1

273716 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to dhid, 3, #465 of 1526 🔗

+2. But not quite as much as I hate Josef Stalin Dungford.

273655 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Susan Nicholson, 10, #466 of 1526 🔗

Boris Johnson is the leader of the government, he is therefore accountable for its actions. In any badly performing organisation, the person in charge must take responsibility.

The are of course other figures that should be removed too.

273670 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #467 of 1526 🔗

He’s also a noted liar and narcissist – a ‘nasty piece of work’ as one interviewer suggested.

If you voted for him, it was all on record, and still is. What you see all around is the result of your choice.

273690 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to RickH, 9, #468 of 1526 🔗

Come on, dismount the hobby horse.

All of the major political parties and prominent ‘opposition’ figures are equally implicated in this, so your second paragraph is pointlessly provocative.

273792 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #469 of 1526 🔗

It’s a full de-Covidification we need. And I’m not talking about the virus.

273677 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Susan Nicholson, 14, #470 of 1526 🔗

I was a leaver before there was an EU to leave (pre-Maastricht), but I don’t agree with your making excuses for the PM. First, the escape from the oncoming European superstate does not (fortunately) depend on Johnson’s remaining in office.

Second, while there’s no contesting your point that the blame for the coronapanic and lockdown disaster goes far wider than Johnson (and indeed far wider than the “Conservative” Party – it’s vital to keep in mind that Labour and the political left in general have been almost lockstep in pushing for more panic and more lockdown zealotry), the hard truth is that Johnson is the man responsible for the decisions. The buck must stop with him.

In no way does getting rid of Johnson make the other Guilty Men – from the cabinet to Starmer and Corbyn, and to SAGE and the complicit figures in medicine, science and in the media – any less guilty or less deserving of criticism. Johnson going is merely the beginning of the process. But go he must.

Johnson MUST be made to take leadership responsibility for the decisions he has taken and the disastrous consequences he has inflicted on his country.

273778 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 1, #471 of 1526 🔗

I am puzzled by your inclusion of Corbyn. He was effectively removed from his position as leader of the Labour Party in December.

273803 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #472 of 1526 🔗
273805 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #473 of 1526 🔗

Corbyn was Leader of the Opposition until 4th April this year, and I’ve several times linked here (in response to Rick H’s periodic attempts to rewrite history to fit in with his “right wing driven coronapanic” fantasies) to mainstream media stories from March referring to Corbyn’s joining with the hysterical attacks on the government’s pre-lockdown Sweden-style proposed response, including calling herd immunity “eugenics” – a childish piece of manipulative nonsense.

Corbyn played a full and influential (up to a point) personal role in driving this country away from reason.

274823 ▶▶▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Mark, #474 of 1526 🔗

He should talk to his brother Piers 🙂

273740 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Susan Nicholson, 1, #475 of 1526 🔗

indeed, this requires a full inquiry into the accused ‘post mortem’, as it were. Might I suggest the venue? Nuremberg.

273762 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Susan Nicholson, 6, #476 of 1526 🔗

We’ll never be rid of the restrictions as long as Johnson or Hancock remain anywhere near the levers of power. That is far more important than Brexit or, indeed, anything else right now. And I speak as an ardent Brexiteer. My views on anything but the current lunacy, in which the PM is fully complicit, are unimportant.

273806 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Susan Nicholson, 3, #477 of 1526 🔗

Brexit is now a side show. I voted for it after wanting it for 25+ years but it is now a pimple in comparison. Couldn’t care less if we leave or not now after this shit show. I suspect we will end up leaving in name only.

273608 richmond, 6, #478 of 1526 🔗

Nothing in the Telegraph about the demonstration in London.

273609 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 19, #479 of 1526 🔗

If, like me, you’re seeing discarded face masks every where you go, it has probably occurred to you that herein lies the basis for a major pollution problem for the future.
I had occasion to visit Harrogate hospital on numerous days last week. At the entrance they have a ‘face mask station’ where you can pick up a mask for free. Not far from this area is a big bin for used masks and every time I passed it it was overflowing with dirty masks spilling onto the floor. And this is a hospital with such Covid measures in place you wouldn’t believe! This happens every day and God knows how many masks they are having to get rid of.

The latest estimate is that SIX BILLION face masks are being disposed of each and every day across the world, the numbers are astounding and it beggars belief. But of course there are those who will be making a fortune out of supplying these items; another example of disaster capitalism in action.

But why worry about the stock piled future damage to our wild life and environment not to mention our own health when masks are such a good indicator of how subservient the masses have become?

I think that there should be a golden rule introduced that says if you wear a mask when you have finished with it you should dispose of it by shoving it up your arse. I also think that with every mask issued there should be a foolproof ‘track and trace’ system so that this rectal disposal is seen to be carried out. If such a system of disposal were brought about the masks would disappear overnight.—–But I suppose I can dream on!

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/06/face-masks-a-danger-to-our-planet-our-children-ourselves/

273652 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #480 of 1526 🔗

Apparently if you stacked every face nappy in the world on top of each other in a big pile they would almost reach the moon, or something like that.

273772 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Two-Six, 2, #481 of 1526 🔗

If you stacked every face nappy in the world on top of each other in a big pile they still wouldn’t stretch as far as Johnson’s lies.

273691 ▶▶ alw, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #482 of 1526 🔗

Been out and about in Primrose Hill and Regents Park today. No of mask wearers in single figures!

274824 ▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to alw, #483 of 1526 🔗

Well you would hope that people wouldn’t wear them in a park, but even in this weekend’s photos of crowded London markets, few people are wearing masks.

273713 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #484 of 1526 🔗

Yes the face mask pollution will be massive – much more than ‘turtles dying from plastic straws’ in the ocean – remember the outcry last year.

Also WEF thing is all based on ‘saving the planet’ but ‘lockdown’ is instrumental in a lot of things that will pollute the earth in a much bigger way:

  • mountains of face nappies
  • mountains of plastic PPE worn once
  • hairdressers forced to use throw away towels
  • chemicals in handsantizers
  • chemicals in full body sprays (entrances to some public places)
  • Newly created cycle paths that force traffic to a standstill (increased CO2 emissions from idling vehicles)
  • local rubbish dumps, at first closed down, now operating on a ‘book a slot basis’ that lead to a missive increase in fly tipping and also chucking recyclable things in the rubbish
  • closure of charity shops and once opened hysterical about masks, hand sanitizer and one way systems that are much worse than operating as normal – agains lots more into landfill rather than recycle
  • parents driving children to school due to bus restrictions
273777 ▶▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Victoria, 5, #485 of 1526 🔗

Surely if C19 is so dangerous then we should all be ringing the local council when we see a ‘highly infective’ discarded mask. If masks work they will be heavily soiled with infective materials.

We could take to reporting discarded masks and demand action, just another annoying way of starting to change things. The councils will get fed up of “Council ignores dangerous litter hazard’ headlines in local newspapers/websites.

273749 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #486 of 1526 🔗

It is weird – this time last year I remember people talking about metal drinking straws to “save the planet” (why anyone apart from young children needs a straw at all beats me!). This year, the very same people are talking about the need to wear masks (two people I know). These are seriously, seriously weird times,

274643 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Harry hopkins, #487 of 1526 🔗

Not a peep from Extinction Rebellion or the Greens or Greta Thunberg. You’d think that millions of discarded face masks clogging up the oceans would deserve a ‘How dare you!?’

273610 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #488 of 1526 🔗

I have written to congratulate our MP Tom Tugendhat for his article in the MOS today. It seems that he is almost fully on board with us lockdown sceptics.

273751 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #489 of 1526 🔗

He still made that comment about making vaccines as “mandatory as possible”.

273612 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 19, #490 of 1526 🔗

I posted this last night, as the story & comments got me pretty annoyed & it also shows the power of scaremongering & propaganda.

2 of my replies have been “disabled” or censored. But, I have also got some very nice comments from the brainwashed sheep wishing that I catch CV-19, plus being called a clown & a plum.

Here is the article again, with bonus added replies to my comment

Article & Comments

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/huge-group-50-students-gather-19364250#comments-section

My “disabled/censored” comments

“ Are people dying in the street when you look out of your window?….no they are not.
Are people dying because their vital treatment for say, cancer, has been suspended because of this severe over reaction to the common flu virus, yes they are.
But hey, as long as we all save a granny’s life, who cares about these other people eh?
Look beyond the scaremongering main stream media & the facts are there for all to see, this is NOT what it is made out to be.
The utter hypocrisy of people is unbelievable, people who fought & died for the freedoms & liberties that we had will be turning in their graves at this outrageous over reaction to the common flu virus.
The sooner all you sheep wake up to this, the better.”

& in reply to a comment saying the people in the article have a “lack of brain”
My response

“Lack of brain in yourself mate. Brainwashed & scared of the common flu virus. Get a grip, life needs to return to normal ASAP.
If you want to be scared of the common flu virus, then by all means, hide away behind your sofa. But my life doesn’t end where you’re fear begins”

Since posting this, my reply to “malkythealky” has been put on “awaiting moderation”

So here is my reply as it will get disabled,
“ Lol….your user name is apt, I think you should perhaps lay off the drink for a bit & then you would see that this is indeed the government colluding to scare everyone & going by your comment, you are one of the gullible sheep who have fallen for it. It is NOT a global pandemic!! Have you noticed that China has now went very quiet? & what about Sweden? They didn’t lockdown & life there is more or less as it was prior to all this nonsense.
Super spreaders?…get a grip Jakey”

Fucking Twats.

273632 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #491 of 1526 🔗

They’ll be getting paid a pittance for destroying their own life too

273635 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #492 of 1526 🔗

I don’t know whether the 77th just rule over the comments section or if Scottish people are just that stupid. Personally, I think it is the latter especially given the fact we have put up no resistance whatsoever and we have had significantly worse restrictions than England.

273654 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to JHuntz, 3, #493 of 1526 🔗

I am tending to lean towards the latter part of your observation, it’s unbelievable & as you say, no resistance whatsoever to all this shit.

273951 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to JHuntz, 1, #494 of 1526 🔗

Remarkably similar to the comments you see on Cornwall Live, but then that doesn’t really prove either theory 😉

273644 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #495 of 1526 🔗

Shall we devise a ‘swear box’ – proceeds to a charity of our choice each week? Then we can let off steam good and proper, comfortable in the knowledge that our anger is going to benefit some in need. (I suggest local hospices.)

273659 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Banjones, 9, #496 of 1526 🔗

Swear box? – not sure Biker could afford it 🙂

273625 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 26, #497 of 1526 🔗

Sunday Times blithely reporting that the 77th Brigade are interfering with citizens’ free speech online. Shows how far we have come. 20 years ago this would have been a scandal leading to ministerial resignations. Now they boast about it.

Pretty sure they were on here about a month ago and work in tag teams but obviously weren’t making much progress. They’re trying to make out now it’s all about vaccination but it’s quite clear their remit has been much broader – to bolster support for lockdowns and the loss of our freedoms.

273628 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to OKUK, 5, #498 of 1526 🔗

Plus the loss of their own, no wonder they call it shooting yourself in the foot

273629 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #499 of 1526 🔗

Sunday Times has a charity appeal focussed on sport for poor young people. Bit ironic when so much of young people’s sport is closed down by lockdown dogmatists.

273657 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, 16, #500 of 1526 🔗

The army fighting their own people. What a lovely time to be alive

273630 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #501 of 1526 🔗

The media are all trying to keep up the Covid rhetoric for the government to keep this going until January. What are the pay off’s for doing it?

273653 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dan Clarke, 16, #502 of 1526 🔗

Public opinion is overtaking the MSM narrative at a rate of knots

273681 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #503 of 1526 🔗

I agree the majority know its a Con, the minority know the reasons

273730 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #504 of 1526 🔗

Do you think?

273788 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #505 of 1526 🔗

Yep. I see this everywhere I go, online and outdoors.

Arnie.

273673 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #506 of 1526 🔗

Money, the Gov is spending huge amounts of our money in the media to drive the narrative. The media isn’t biting the hand that feeds it.

273707 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Paulus, 1, #507 of 1526 🔗

control- those who own the government own the media.

273676 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #508 of 1526 🔗

Massive advertising fees

273741 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #509 of 1526 🔗

Vast tsunamis of paid government Covid propaganda advertising, with more to come.

273634 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 31, #510 of 1526 🔗

But unbelievable?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/elderly-woman-euthanized-to-avoid-anguish-of-lockdown-loneliness/

“An elderly Canadian woman was killed by her doctor because she would rather be dead than go through another COVID lockdown. When it looked like she would have to be confined to her room for two weeks, she asked for — and received — the lethal jab due to declining mental health and vitality.
But note, for her death, she could be surrounded by friends and family!
When 90-year-old Nancy Russell died last month, she was surrounded by friends and family. They clustered around her bed, singing a song she had chosen to send her off, as a doctor helped her through a medically-assisted death.
So companionship to be made dead but not to remain alive. And her family thinks this was a fine option , demonstrating how the social mindset becomes twisted by euthanasia consciousness.
But, we are told, killing to end suffering is oh soooo compassionate ! And lockdowns are measures of good public health! Bah!
Those with eyes to see, let them see.”

273687 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to swedenborg, 2, #511 of 1526 🔗

If the euthanasia option was open to me right now, I’d take it.

273701 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #512 of 1526 🔗

You can go to the Netherlands or Switzerland right now, well if you were allowed to get on a plane.
Would you really take the option? Really?
Apparently teenagers can take the option too in the Netherlands if they just feel depressed.

273719 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Two-Six, 2, #513 of 1526 🔗

I wouldn’t take it now. But if as I age I am deprived of any choice about living a life that is meaningful to me then I will want the choice to opt out of being kept prisoner while I eventually fade away from misery. Let’s make sure it doesn’t come to that for any of us or our children.

273908 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #514 of 1526 🔗

You can.Its one of the exemptions for travel.Thats how evil the whole charade is.

274547 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, -2, #515 of 1526 🔗

Apparently teenagers can take the option too in the Netherlands if they just feel depressed.”

What a good idea to make that a known fact! Not!

How incredibly stupid are you?

Elsewhere in the comments you think my dark (obvious) humour relating to Johnson and Hancock is unacceptable!

Clearly you are a very pompous fool who believes that what you have mentioned here is ok to flippantly mention, as though a perfectly normal thing, but seek to lecture me!

Wow what an arsehole you really are!

274733 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dhid, #516 of 1526 🔗

huh well screw you too. Teenagers can get a fatal dose of sedatives if they feel depressed in the netherlands. It’s true.
Dunno what your problem is.

274734 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dhid, #517 of 1526 🔗

arsehole

273710 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #518 of 1526 🔗

Don’t dare.
That’s handing the victory to the Covviefascists. They hate life.

273700 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to swedenborg, 1, #519 of 1526 🔗

What a mixed up, muddled up, shook up, world

273648 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 11, #520 of 1526 🔗

I’m hoping my emails to Greg Smith MP have helped in some small way to sway his Daily Express piece. Myself and my partner have been emailing since April. To be fair to him, he always replies, even if they are cookie cutter responses. His last response to my scathing email about voting for the second lock up was less cookie cutter, however. I do still feel that this Tory Rebellion is too little too late though.

273656 ▶▶ GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 5, #521 of 1526 🔗

And while I was on the Daily Express webpage, a breaking news icon appeared – Bird Flu at a Turkey fattening farm, leading to 10,500 Turkeys being humanely culled to stop the spread of the disease. Seriously.

273651 Cedric the dragon, 2, #522 of 1526 🔗

Just sent a copy of the Workplace Mental Health Institute’s poster about 15 things indicating you may be in an abusive relationship to our MP. It is downloadable as a pdf from the Resources section of their website. It rings very true with Cabinet behaviour.

273675 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 14, #523 of 1526 🔗

Small protests have no traction.
Just re-reading 1984 (might as well learn from the instruction manual they’re working from). Winston Smith see that:
“If there is hope, it lies in the proles”
but
“Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious”
Without a populist leader (and much as I dislike the man, I can only see Farage playing the part) Gov’t has an easy ride, and the Tory ‘rebels’ will be bought off with promises. Local elections on 6th May are too far away – we’ll all have gone mad by then!

273692 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to BTLnewbie, 10, #524 of 1526 🔗

Peter Hitchens and Lord Sumption calling for and leading a demo would get a lot of traction.

273722 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #525 of 1526 🔗

Literally anyone right now would help. Laurence Fox/ Gerrard Batton/ Charles Walker/ Toby Young/ Peter Hitchens/ Lord Sumption/ Richard Madeley/ Mike Graham.

I’ve actually not seen anything authentic about Farage’s desire to stop lockdowns. He seems far more interested in Brexit and I think Brexit pales in comparison at the moment.

273783 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JHuntz, 1, #526 of 1526 🔗

What is it you find “inauthentic” about his video from Friday?

Nigel Farage: The new tier system is lockdown 3.0 in all but name.

273849 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mark, 1, #527 of 1526 🔗

Thanks, I’ll need to watch this hadn’t seen it. I was personally disappointed at how little resistance (in my opinion) he has put up so far. I would love to see him take centre stage he has the ability to galvanise a huge following.

273909 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to JHuntz, #528 of 1526 🔗

It wouldn’t surprise me if he is being deliberately ignored by most of the MSM so therefore giving the impression he has disappeared.

273963 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JHuntz, #529 of 1526 🔗

I was likewise disappointed by his early collapse into panic. But like quite a few others, he seems to have seen the light.

273855 ▶▶▶ gmwhite, replying to JHuntz, 1, #530 of 1526 🔗

David Kurten was there yesterday, but I guess he doesn’t command enough attention.

273797 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #531 of 1526 🔗

I just feel Farage does not have real anti lockdiwn/restriction passion. When talking on the subject he appears luke warm, says enough but never really goes for the jugular. He was disappointingly supportive initially of the goverment’s policies, well for a good few months.

273852 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Nsklent, #532 of 1526 🔗

That was my feeling he doesn’t express the same level of passion as I hear on the Brexit topic.

273679 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 4, #533 of 1526 🔗
  1. The ‘former NHS’ doctor’s gutting of Gove’s gormless jeremiad was measured, masterful and definitive.
  2. So LSL don’t matter then? Might the doughty protesters next time simply consider waiving a BLM poster (making sure the spelling and grammar are, fittingly, wrong)?
273780 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to TyRade, #534 of 1526 🔗

Black Lives Against Lockdown?

273928 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Arnie, #535 of 1526 🔗

If BLM and Extinction Rebellion joined forces against lockdown the establishment would be in a panic. I’m surprised XR are disinterested in the fact discarded face masks are polluting the environment and the oceans

273684 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 42, #536 of 1526 🔗

I watched most of the march in London via live stream. I wished I could have been there, but I was in spirit. I know people said it was tough, and they had to outwit the police often, but from what I saw, it was a fabulous turnout, brilliant atmosphere, huge shows of bravery from the people and…it did apear overall that the police are either stepping back, because they are being outwitted, or out numbered. Despite their huge numbers, there were still many, many more people, despite many being picked off and flung to the ground by the our wonderful boys and girls in blue. A big thank you to all, standing up for what is right.

273694 ▶▶ chaos, replying to HelenaHancart, 11, #537 of 1526 🔗

If rail travel was cheaper, these marches would be massive.

273711 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to HelenaHancart, 8, #538 of 1526 🔗

The turnout looked great and in my opinion by not allowing them to protest in Trafalgar has given the police an absolute headache. Despite the reports i’ve heard on here it looked from the streams like the protestors were running rings round the police and making a complete mockery of them.

273720 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JHuntz, 8, #539 of 1526 🔗

Not as good as it might have been. Police turning coaches around, closing railway stations and harassing people at provincial stations waiting to board London trains…

There are, however, ways and ways.

273737 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #540 of 1526 🔗

Congratulations for making it Nick and thanks for sharing it here.

273714 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to HelenaHancart, 14, #541 of 1526 🔗

I would say the police won yesterday. The change in tactic to breaking up the demonstration before it assembled, rather than waiting for it to get established. We won the earlier ones.

But it’s not just the police who can change tactics. We can too. (No, I’m not talking towards violence)

273688 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #542 of 1526 🔗

Why is Jordan Peterson a hate figure? I have listened to hundreds of hours of his rules and advice and lectures. Never heard anything that could be remotely construed as bad or offensive. All good dad/sage (real proper sage) self-help advice. Get a grip on stress. Don’t be a dick. Keep pushing forward. Try and always be positive. Find meaning in life. Most of these I currenty fail on miserably, especially anxiety and feelings of failure, but I will keep trying.He’s what Tony Robbins should be. Wise, decent, sage. So why do so many young recent grad/liberal/democrat types hate him?

273705 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chaos, 13, #543 of 1526 🔗

Because he said there was only two genders as opposed to 60 odds that globalist cuck Trudeau believes in. That made him an enemy of the media from then on.

273726 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to JHuntz, 5, #544 of 1526 🔗

I don’t recall him saying much about genders other than he was opposed to Bill C-16 which would enforce people to refer to transgenders by pronouns of their own choosing.. he said such a move would be a slippery slope where people could lose jobs etc if they dared to make the mistake of referring to a ze as a he etc.

273733 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 2, #545 of 1526 🔗

He said he would use whatever particular pronoun an individual preferred but he would not chop and change according to their whim and would not do so by order of the government.

273727 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JHuntz, 8, #546 of 1526 🔗

And he stood his ground on a public plaza while being harangued by a rent-a-mob gang of thick as shit students who by now will be wondering why they can’t get a job after graduating in Victim Studies.

273767 ▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, 1, #547 of 1526 🔗

lol, what have you got against Tony Robbins? Last time I checked he was a lockdown sceptic.

273779 ▶▶ Mark, replying to chaos, 2, #548 of 1526 🔗

Because he stands against the elite ideology of our time – identity politics.

He is a modern heretic, a true dissident.

273796 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mark, 1, #549 of 1526 🔗

In a nutshell. He believes in equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. A revolutionary idea when the lunatics currently run the asylum.

273817 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to JHuntz, 1, #550 of 1526 🔗
273781 ▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, #551 of 1526 🔗

Want to remove that slur on Tony Robbins?

https://twitter.com/TonyRobbins/status/1315396952347955200

274825 ▶▶ AfterAll, replying to chaos, #552 of 1526 🔗

As I have observed it, he is followed and quoted enthusiastically by BAME millenials who appreciate his self-help approach, and he is scorned by white millenials and millenials with an east Asian heritage for his approach to forced speech on preferred pronouns.

273695 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 14, #553 of 1526 🔗

Me and my wife turned up at Kings Cross at around 1:15 only to see an army of police present, we were not aware of the change of plans. After traipsing through London, including Euston Road, Tottenham crt road, Oxford street, Regents street then finally arriving at Trafalgar square we sadly saw no prtest, either we seem to miss it either before or after. We saw one scuffle where on guy was pinned by several police officers near Carnaby street. The really sad thing about the whole of yesterday was seeing so many police around, we are now in a police state. Also very disturbing was seeing so many families who have masked up their very young children, that’s child abuse in my eyes. Unfortunately project fear is strong and alas we very much in a small minority. I’ve even lost childhood friends who have called me selfish for visiting friends and not wearing a muzzle.

273851 ▶▶ gmwhite, replying to Andrew K, #554 of 1526 🔗

Do you have a smartphone? If so, next time you go to one of these protests, I advise you to download the ‘Telegram’ app and follow ‘Protest Everywhere’ and ‘Save Our Rights UK’. That’s how I got the updates about changes of location. Of course plod is following those channels too, but what can you do?

273927 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to gmwhite, 2, #555 of 1526 🔗

Thanks gmwhite, noted. To be honest we had both purposely left our phones and all other forms of ID at home. Last time I checked it still isn’t a legal requirement to carry a smartphone or ID with you, well not yet! Until the next time the battle to save our freedoms continue.

273698 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #556 of 1526 🔗

The illusion of control by SD. Mid Western states US

https://twitter.com/OBusybody/status/1332810306062606340

Autumn Peak of Daily CV19 Cases/100k

IA: Nov 14

IL: Nov 16

WI: Nov 18

MO: Nov 18

IN: Nov 20

MN: Nov 20

 MI: Nov 21

Even with different restrictions enacted at different times, all 7 states peaked in the same week.

CV19 seasonality > masks + closures + curfews + distancing

274258 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 1, #557 of 1526 🔗

Fascinating piece of evidence.

And does it point towards aerosol transmission?

274576 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to TJN, #558 of 1526 🔗

Not by itself although all respiratory virus spread by droplet,aerosol and fomites.It is more indication of seasonality possible due to complex reasons including latitude.

273723 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #560 of 1526 🔗

Is your workplace COVID-Secure? @H_S_E are inspecting transport & logistics businesses to ensure they are COVID-secure, which includes providing drivers with access to toilets, washing facilities, & rest areas

How much more must businesses do? Feel so sorry for them as every agency is out to get them

273840 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Victoria, 5, #561 of 1526 🔗

Yes,this has been building up for years now,all part of the now obvious plan to destroy as many independent businesses as possible.It’s one of the things that contributed to finishing our business off three years ago.Every time you had spent a lot of money and effort complying with a new regulation the bastards brought in another one and so it went on and on.The mass business extinction event in progress at the moment is the peak ambition of their efforts,the events of the previous twenty years now make more sense when viewed as part of their long term plan.

273865 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Victoria, 2, #562 of 1526 🔗

I would have thought a risk assessment would easily demonstrate there is no risk.

273736 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #563 of 1526 🔗

A while back, when there was talk about the Army going door to door with testing, someone said they would put a sign up to the effect – unwanted visitors please show they are secure from [insert infectious disease of choice] first.

Perhaps a business could adopt similar tactics – “Hey I’d love to have you come and inspect my premises. But we have a zero-tuberculosis policy. and a zero-RSV policy. I’m sure you’ll agree about the importance of suppressing these diseases… controlling the disease…flattening that curve… Please prove you are TB-secure before coming near….” 🙂

273906 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #564 of 1526 🔗

Excellent!

273784 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #565 of 1526 🔗

So they close down a number of transport businesses, result drop in food supplies and sundries to shops, limited online deliveries … is there a plan here, or am I having a covid hysteria moment?

273789 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nsklent, 4, #566 of 1526 🔗

Nah, it’s all planned

274409 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nsklent, 1, #567 of 1526 🔗

Cannot remember which outlet it was yday, reporting on a company which are working on building tunnels under London to send automated deliveries to reduce HGV movements and make deliveries more efficient.
They seriously employ 14 people on this and obviously found some idiot(s) to fund their research!!
Tststststststs……

273729 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #568 of 1526 🔗

A volunteer vaccinator ‘will assist if there is an adverse reaction ’??

I’ve never read anything quite so frightening in relation to a medical matter since starting my training in 1981.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1332989416105775111

Is a Coronavirus Vaccine a Ticking Time Bomb? https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/08/01/is-a-coronavirus-vaccine-a-ticking-time-bomb/

273734 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Victoria, 12, #569 of 1526 🔗

Given the monumental incompetence displayed so far by those in charge, I feel distinctly non-reassured by this.

273768 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #570 of 1526 🔗

Ain’t that the truth!

Arnie.

273735 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Victoria, 7, #571 of 1526 🔗

Assist how exactly with no medical training? They’ll just be stood there panicking and probably filming it to put it on social media.

273738 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 12, #572 of 1526 🔗

Apparently someone who doesn’t want to take a rushed through vaccine that’s been indemnified and promises unpleasant side effects for a virus that is ‘harmless to the vast majority of people’ (Chris Whitty) is an antivaxxer

273743 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ben, 13, #573 of 1526 🔗

I have more comprehensive training in natural science than Professor Whitty, and also have children with their full quota of childhood vaccinations. I will not be subject to slurs by Professor Whitty or indeed anyone else – most of those commenting on this are politicians and journos.

273747 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ben, 9, #574 of 1526 🔗

Here’s a suggestion for Professor Whitty et al – let them have it, administered by someone with minimal medical training. That which they advocate for others, they should have themselves.

273900 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 1, #575 of 1526 🔗

Please, oh please let me vaccinate Witty and Co. 😁

273775 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 2, #576 of 1526 🔗

How long before a government campaign is launched with the Main Selling Point being, “get somebody you love to do something something special for Christmas, encourage them to get a COVID vaccine”.
With sickly footage of Granddad in his crap Christmas jumper taking of his Christmassy face mask with a festive flourish, smiling, as his little grandchildren rush towards him to get their Christmas hugs.

A parting shot of a happily vaccinated family sitting round the Christmas dinner table together like the old days.

As for the volunteer vaccinators, I bet they are trained in the event of the vaccine victim falling unconscious to put a towel over their faces before doing anything else to save them.

273902 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, #577 of 1526 🔗

FGS don’t give them ideas!

273782 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 2, #578 of 1526 🔗

That’s handy, my postman can deliver the Xmas cards and the Xmas vaccine. Brilliant.

273879 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 1, #579 of 1526 🔗

The Government will introduce plans to make the vaccine available at Cash Converters or Tesco

273731 Ben, replying to Ben, 23, #580 of 1526 🔗

Essential viewing

Trial lawyer Reiner Fuellmich’s video address ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ received 1.5m views before being removed by YouTube. Since shared worldwide and uploaded to multiple platforms.

This version in English with Spanish subtitles. 49 minutes

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2juC1LB-OE

273905 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ben, 7, #581 of 1526 🔗

Sharp picture quality in full screen mode on this vision:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lockdown-a-crime-against-humanity/

273732 Darryl, 27, #582 of 1526 🔗

Well done to everyone who made the protest yesterday. I don’t have any doubt we are living under an effective police state / dictatorship now, if any other group had been targeted that way there would be parliamentary and media outrage. Still no condemnation from any Charities or the Church either.

What struck me most is that the Territorial Support Group and most other Met Officers clearly enjoy beating up peaceful protestors. Many officers seem to be under the influence of steroids or other substances, they are incredibly aggressive, god knows what they are like outside of uniform.

With a rotten to the core police force, establishment and media plus a general public now seemingly accepting police brutality and lying as a matter of course – the country is really is starting to look like it is beyond redemption.

273742 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 5, #583 of 1526 🔗

I’d urge caution when reporting something that is covered by the Daily Mail. It’s true they are almost exclusively the only rag that is reporting from an anti-lockdown perspective, but they are absolutely not to be trusted.

I never believed in psyops until the day I watched from the fringe of the first UK PEGIDA rally in Newcastle, and witnessed MSM staged violence.

I’d not attended something like this before so kept a distance just to see how things would play out – and I’m glad I did. It had been extremely calm (except for the raucous counter “anti-racism” rally nearby), just a crowd of people stood listening to speeches and chatting amongst themselves. Until, I noticed, a group of around 12 stereotypical tattooed “nazis” came round the corner, stopped to talk to the police and some people with cameras, then merged into the crowd.

Within minutes the mood drastically changed and there was chanting and lots of activity near the front of the stage. Objects started flying to and from the counter protest, scuffles broke out in several places, and coincidentally, the people with cameras and police were always very close-by.

After the rally in the late afternoon, the MSM had blanket coverage showing a very different account of the demonstration to what I had witnessed. Unsurprisingly, those people with the cameras worked for the likes of the Daily Mail who had produced a large hit-piece, tarnishing those who attended the rally and depicting those in the counter rally as virtuous freedom fighters and innocent tearful children.

You can still find the article on the Daily Mail if you search: “UK PEGIDA rally Newcastle Daily Mail” – pay attention to the language they used and the stark similarities to the language they used for yesterday’s anti-lockdown demonstration…

273746 ▶▶ John P, replying to J4mes, -4, #584 of 1526 🔗

Why don’t you read the articles instead of tarring everyone who works for that organisation with the same brush?

Some journalists on the Daily Mail are pro-lockdown. Some are not.

The Daily Mail has been one of the most anti-lockdown newspapers out there.

I get really sick of these left wing smears. I could say the same as you have just said about the Guardian, but even at the Guardian dissent is on rare occasions tolerated. Simon Jenkins is a lockdown sceptic.

However, Suzanne Moore may have a different take on her former employer and their so-called journalists.

And it’s not only the Guardian. The Times – arguably on the right – is infected with journalists shilling for the government.

Rather than coming on here and telling people what they should read why not allow people to make up their own minds?

273757 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 1, #585 of 1526 🔗

And rather than downvoting me for disagreeing with you why don’t you say what it is that you don’t like about what I have said?

273774 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, -1, #586 of 1526 🔗

Well?

273794 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, -1, #587 of 1526 🔗

How is childishly downvoting my comment helping?

What thoughtcrime have I committed?

273815 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to John P, 3, #588 of 1526 🔗

Agree about The Times it is the paper of the establishment and has been as bad as the Guardian at attacking anti-lockdown protestors. The way it attacks and silences any academic dissent is particularly bad.

Most journalists are actively promoting the government narrative irrespective of the publication and I suspect that some sceptical articles are simply controlled opposition.

273822 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Darryl, #589 of 1526 🔗

Piers Robinson and the working group on syria, propaganda and media especially are smeared by the MSM:

https://syriapropagandamedia.org/

And Oz Katerji just had published a smear piece on the late journalist Robert Fisk who dared to challenge the Syria narrative in the Critic. Toby is on the editorial board of that publication. I wrote to him last night to express my disgust.

I don’t share the view that journalists are manipulated to the extent that you seem to think.

273819 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, 1, #590 of 1526 🔗

Use of the acronym MSM is a bit of a red flag. (Shall we have a “who gets downvoted more” competition?)

273827 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #591 of 1526 🔗

MSM? What’s wrong with it?

273829 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 1, #592 of 1526 🔗

yeah i always use MSM

273857 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #593 of 1526 🔗

I prefer ‘Legacy Media’ as it has that distinct odour of mustiness about it which suits their present state of corruption.

273850 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to John P, 1, #594 of 1526 🔗

The DM has been rather good at keeping the lines of communication from both sides open imo

274285 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to John P, #595 of 1526 🔗

Yes, I agree, the DM has in the main been pretty straight about what’s going on and has sometimes been the journal that has broken important news as credited by Toby and Will.

The poster seems to have a bit of conspiracy “thing” going on…..

273754 ▶▶ John P, replying to J4mes, -3, #596 of 1526 🔗

Why should I trust you? Who are you?

273770 ▶▶ Mark, replying to J4mes, 8, #597 of 1526 🔗

Your criticisms of the DM, while valid, apply equally to almost every mainstream media outlet, most of whom are systematically and consistently propagandist about the coronapanic and lockdown as well.

273773 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 2, #598 of 1526 🔗

Thanks Mark, you said it better than me.

273795 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 2, #599 of 1526 🔗

Downvoted why?

273828 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 1, #600 of 1526 🔗

I think once you start complaining about or even mentioning being downvoted, it provokes more downvoting. I’m not justifying it, and I don’t recall downvoting you recently myself, just trying to explain it.

273833 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 1, #601 of 1526 🔗

Thanks and yes, you’re right.

273830 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 2, #602 of 1526 🔗

Just gave you an upvote John. Don’t take it so personal.

273832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, 2, #603 of 1526 🔗

Thanks, and you’re right!

273798 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mark, 2, #604 of 1526 🔗

My opinion is that newspapers benefit from fear, unhappiness, and controversy and so continually play each side of the story to keep the boat rocking.

273810 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #605 of 1526 🔗

I don’t entirely agree with that. Peter Hitchens who writes for the Mail on Sunday is very strongly opinionated. He isn’t strongarmed by his editors into toeing a particular line on a variety of issues.

Rather, he was probably employed for having views largely that of the paper, but nevertheless I don’t agree that newspapers and journalists are all forced into having one underlying view.

The Guardian is probably the worst for this, but as I said, even Simon Jenkins sceptic views are tolerated.

I don’t really like or agree with the view that everything the world is controlled by shadowy figures behind the scenes.

273834 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 2, #606 of 1526 🔗

The problem is lots of things that have happened against the peoples will that would suggest that undemocratic forces are dictating agendas.

It’s also a convenient tactic for a paper to put one or two opposing views to try claim that is balanced journalism when it is infact heavily biased in one direction.

273860 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, 1, #607 of 1526 🔗

I understand this view and your concern.

But it is very difficult to determine the extent of influence of groups such as the WEF.

And while they may have influence they do not have control. That lies with elected governments who can – in theory at least – still be removed by their electors.

The bottom line is that if you have something to say you can still say it.

We are all saying what we want to here on these threads.

274687 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to John P, #608 of 1526 🔗

It’s three and a half years until our next scheduled general election. Should things continue on their current trajectory, without a violent revolution, we’ll never see another one. And that’s from someone who abhors violence and bullying of any kind. When the time comes, I’ll die defending my children’s right to freedom, yours too if you have them – and without miraculous timely intervention, it’s coming.

A little melodramatic, perhaps. Not always is the word mightier than the sword. I fear this fight has only just begun.

273836 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #609 of 1526 🔗

The op is talking about intentional misrepresentation (with or without “noble” motives), rather than general shit-stirring, I think.

Personally as I’ve noted before, I’m ok with outlets giving both sides, it’s lockstep propaganda, BBC/Times/Guardian style that’s the problem. As I’ve noted before, we can win any debate in the end, as long as there is an actual debate allowed.

273804 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 4, #610 of 1526 🔗

The Government was the biggest spender on advertising in the Print media for 5 months.He who pays the piper calls the tune.

273811 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #611 of 1526 🔗

There’s some truth to that Jonathan. But nevetheless lockdown scepticism does appear in print media.

273856 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 2, #612 of 1526 🔗

Only now and even then the newspapers are schizophrenic.
I’m glad some scepticism is creeping in.We have no chance of waking up the majority without a few newspapers on board.TV is a lost cause.

273866 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #613 of 1526 🔗

Yes, I largely agree Jonathan.

273838 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #614 of 1526 🔗

Yes, as John P says, there is undoubtedly some truth in that, but it also isn’t the whole story.

273841 ▶▶ gmwhite, replying to J4mes, 2, #615 of 1526 🔗

There were rumours going around the crowd at yesterday’s demo about agent provocateurs as well. At one point about 3pm there was a thin line of police trying to stop protestors from marching out of Hyde Park. A couple of blokes dressed like 70s punks started yelling that we ought to attack the plod. If even 10% of the protestors there, then, had done so it would have been a massacre. Thankfully no-one rose to the provocation.

274274 ▶▶ dhid, replying to J4mes, #616 of 1526 🔗

“… group of around 12 stereotypical tattooed “nazis”…”

TSG on a day off?

273750 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #617 of 1526 🔗

They are coming for your turkeys (trivia alert).

With Christmas gatherings reduced in size by your Government, traditional turkeys are under threat:
For one thing they are too big : Turkey farmers facing complaints that birds are too big
And now they have bird flu: At least 10,000 turkeys to be slaughtered as bird flu confirmed on UK farm

I present to you a “tiny turkey” solution to enjoy by yourself or with your tiny family.

273755 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to godowneasy, 2, #618 of 1526 🔗

There’s one or two overweight turkeys running the country that nobody wants as well…

Arnie.

274269 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Arnie, #619 of 1526 🔗

….especially as they’ve had Bird Flu – or something…

Probably a bit tough and stringy anyway.

273756 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 5, #620 of 1526 🔗

haha
it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas…or something
errr

273932 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to godowneasy, #621 of 1526 🔗

Is that an airline meal?

274265 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to thinkaboutit, #622 of 1526 🔗

Well it used to be an airline meal….

Child to parent 10 years hence – “what’s an airline Daddy?”…….

273758 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 7, #623 of 1526 🔗

There’s one or two overweight turkeys running the country that nobody wants as well…

Arnie.

273760 ▶▶ John P, replying to Arnie, #624 of 1526 🔗

Who’s the other one?

273785 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to John P, 2, #625 of 1526 🔗

That high class prozzy he’s shacked up with.

273799 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Matt The Cat, #626 of 1526 🔗

She’s not overweight is she?

274255 ▶▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to John P, #627 of 1526 🔗

Stricly speaking, no – but as she’s destined to be permanently pregnant for the forseeable, as she farts out taxpayer-funded brat after taxpayer-funded brat, I think we can safely say yes, she is overweight!

273759 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #628 of 1526 🔗

From Kulldorf,Gupta an attack of lockdown from the left. Anyone from the Labour to take this up?

 https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-canadas-covid-19-strategy-is-an-assault-on-the-working-class

“The Canadian COVID-19 lockdown strategy is the worst assault on the working class in many decades. Low-risk college students and young professionals are protected; such as lawyers, government employees, journalists, and scientists who can work from home; while older high-risk working-class people must work, risking their lives generating the population immunity that will eventually help protect everyone. This is backwards, leading to many unnecessary deaths from both COVID-19 and other diseases.

273884 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to swedenborg, 6, #629 of 1526 🔗

You are under the impression that Labour care about the working class.They abandoned that demographic a long time ago.They are a party for state workers and immigrants

273763 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 17, #630 of 1526 🔗

Psychiatrist Blows the Whistle on Pandemic Fearmongering

  • There’s an entire school of research within public health on how to frighten people, known as “fear appeal”
  • Fear appeal is based on the premise that to successfully implement a public health measure, you must first highlight a threat. And, to work, the threat must be made personal, so that people fear for their personal safety
  • Next, you give people something immediate to do that will set them on the path of cooperating with the plan in its entirety. Examples during the COVID-19 pandemic include not leaving your house, wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart, closing certain businesses and keeping children home from school. In the future, we can expect to be told we must get vaccinated and digitally tracked before we can resume life as normal
  • By adding confusion to the mix, you can bring an individual from fear to anxiety — a state of confusion in which you can no longer think logically. In this state, you are more easily manipulated
  • Eventually, when the fear and anxiety are great enough, desperation sets in, at which point people are willing to do just about anything to get relief

Fear Is the Tool of Tyrants
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/29/how-is-fear-appeal-used-in-public-health-messaging.aspx

273776 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 20, #631 of 1526 🔗

I was just thinking about this, this whole shit show is really an assault on our emotions, keeping families apart, isolating healthy people, don’t kill granny, don’t hug people, don’t talk to people.

The people are falling for it because it saves lives, not sure it does, what about mental health, suicides, cancer, heart disease. It will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed.

Much more dangerous than the mild flu with a 99.95% survival rate.

Evil.

273793 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Victoria, 6, #632 of 1526 🔗

All brought to you by SPI-B on behalf of HMG

273765 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 19, #634 of 1526 🔗

Just to say my personal body count from this “killer” disease is still zero. But then I could be called a Billy No Mates. However the wife has written over a hundred Christmas cards and her personal body count is the same as mine.

273771 ▶▶ John P, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #635 of 1526 🔗

That’s Billy no Gates, surely?

274247 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, #636 of 1526 🔗

Oh that’s good!

273814 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Smelly Melly, 18, #637 of 1526 🔗

I had family round last night. We had the rule of 11 (adults) plus thirteen kids stayed over.

We discussed the body count and not one of us knows somebody who has died or even been hospitalised.

We know of a few tests, mostly negative, some positive. Two of the people we know had both positive AND negative tests in the same week!

Other parts of the country must be totally awash with dead bodies to compensate for our lack of death here…

We concluded that it’s all a scam (obviously!).

Keep battering on folks.

Arnie.

274260 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Arnie, 1, #638 of 1526 🔗

It’s weird isn’t it?

Neither I, nor anyone I know has lost anyone as far as I know, but you still hear the odd twat in a shop saying to someone….

“Oh a friend of mine has another friend, who’s sisters’ mother-in-law, knows someone who’s sister died – she was only 82 and was as fit fit as a fiddle, for someone with severe asthma and a heart problem!”

273786 John P, #639 of 1526 🔗

Oh dear, I seem to have upset the Sunday morning crew. God knows how!

Downvoting me for disagreeing (in part) with someone I have never heard of calling himself “J4mes” is not going to stop me from commenting.

Do it if you want, but it doesn’t add to the debate. It’s childish and intimidating.

273801 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 44, #640 of 1526 🔗

Everywhere I look whether online or out in the real world I see the wheels are starting to come off the Boris shit show.

Even the protest yesterday had the effect of putting the police in an even worse light than previously.

Just look at the numbers of viewings that these videos have had, HUGE numbers! And then there’s the comments…

We’ve got a long way to go but I’m definitely optimistic. Even The Guardian is getting in on the lockdown bashing.

There is definitely a change in the air as far as I can tell.

Keep battering on folks.

Arnie.

273823 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Arnie, 12, #641 of 1526 🔗

Boris is finished. He has way overstepped the mark. This government has had ample opportunity to retreat the damage is now going to be lasting.

273802 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #642 of 1526 🔗

“Boris’s verbal gymnastics at a moment of such gravity feel sophomoric and inappropriate.”

273876 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #643 of 1526 🔗

He’s like a old band rehashing an old favourite to get back in the charts.No one is listening anymore

273987 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #644 of 1526 🔗

If he had more brains, it would look like he was trolling himself.

273807 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #645 of 1526 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich started the legal process. Sounds very interesting. https://odysee.com/@Illusion2Reality:b/Dr-Reiner-Fuellmich-Covid-19-Law-Suit-small:e

273837 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #646 of 1526 🔗

Fantastic. This sounds very positive. The legal gloves are off.

273864 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #647 of 1526 🔗

Thanks CM. This is great news.

Law suit filed on 25.11.20 in Germany. Plaintiff is Dr Wolfgang Wordarg and this is a defamation law suit against a group of so-called fact checkers that are manipulating the truth. They accuse Dr Wordag of lying when he says that the PCR test cannot pick up a current infection.

Fact checkers seems to never produce information but simply label you.

This will be a blue print for other law suits around the world – one of many law suits coming via many other lawyers especially in the US and Canada

Note:

Dr Wordag was instrumental in fighting the Swine Flu hoax – 700 children in Europe were disabled for life by the Swine Flu vaccine – narcolepsy that is percent damage to the brain.

273920 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #648 of 1526 🔗

percent should read permanent

274254 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 1, #649 of 1526 🔗

Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a hero

273808 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 30, #650 of 1526 🔗

Lord Sumption said: “The problem is that there is a lack of rational thinking everywhere.”

Amen.
Since March.
Everywhere (but Tanzania).

273816 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #651 of 1526 🔗

Maybe they could have a story on a soap about a virus scam and get it across that way

274242 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Dan Clarke, #652 of 1526 🔗

Good idea!

It could include a storyline about members of the public, enraged when brutally attacked by police thugs on a peaceful protest, break through to the home of a (fictional obviously! Lol!) country leader, and lynching him and some of his cohorts…..

Ahh such a great daydream……

273809 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 24, #653 of 1526 🔗

I’m still signed up for NHS Volunteer Responder service, although I switched off my notifications when the pandemic ended many many months ago. But just received an email about supporting the covid-19 vaccination services.

After a bit of digging came across this page

https://nhsvolunteerresponders.org.uk/vaccinationvolunteers

One of the volunteer roles is ‘helping a patient with their breathing if they have an allergic reaction to the vaccine’.

Enough said.

273831 ▶▶ annie, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #654 of 1526 🔗

How do you help. patient with his breathing?
Take his face nappy off maybe?

Or is it the sort of allergic reaction that people get if they are allergic to peanuts?If it is, you could save time by ordering the coffin.

273843 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #655 of 1526 🔗

Also deleted it months ago when it became clear is was simply an initiative to get the public to buy into the panic-demic by pretending they had a useful role and as another fear propaganda tool. I never got a call in the early stages; in July I got a couple at inconvenient times so it just felt annoying and pointless.

Perhaps this is what it was designed for all along – a volunteer vaccine task force. Truly frightening what they are asking untrained volunteers to do to people

273894 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #656 of 1526 🔗

All the NHS Volunteer Scheme seemed to do was get in the way of local schemes, i was always in two minds about signing up as a result. Although not entirely a bad idea at the start.

And then didn’t get a call out for 6 weeks, and then when I rang the person they said they didn’t need help.

I ended up just informally helping out a 90 year old neighbour with shopping etc. He’s pretty skeptical now so have achieved something in giving him the information to help him decide what is really going on, because he doesn’t access the internet and so would be reliant on the BBC and other MSM propaganda otherwise. He now asks me if I want anything when he gets his own shopping! And he’s since been on a number of coach holidays, and says things like ‘life is for living not waiting for dying’. He’s not been able to see his family in the South which is a bit sad though. He’s pretty rock and roll but I sense too many older more vulnerable people are still scared witless.

273812 Les Tricoteuses, 29, #657 of 1526 🔗

A pub in Fordingbridge, Hampshire has replaced the traditional sign depicting George III with one of George Orwell with his mouth taped up and marked 1984!

273813 Cecil B, 7, #658 of 1526 🔗

In a war of movement I think the police will come second best

273818 Two-Six, 3, #659 of 1526 🔗

Conflict-Increase the pressure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHXvMulXG3s

“The second album full of same old songs
Fighting back against a system which is cruel and wrong
Yet another battering ram against a wall of power
A blasphemous attack to blow the leader’s cover
It’s a message from those who won’t take no more
Of seeing the privileged profit from the poor
Of the scientist’s piss they call research
Of being told we’re scum and should be birched

Well bollocks to them all, keep smashing at the wall
Pile the pressure on and Government will fall

But it takes more than music and more than words
To recreate a nation that’s controlled by hoards
Of police, army and fuck knows what else
That they’ve got waiting for the backlash from the people who care
To question their control, their dividing lines
Power must be tested, it’s testing time

Power must be tested, we’ve heard that time and time again
But no matter how much pain and protest, nothing seems to change
The Government show forces and our movement cowers in fear
Some still strive for freedom, while others simply sneer

It’s the same old racket with the same old songs
Well it’s the same fucking system and it still stands strong
The battle continues so bollocks to them
Who mock our anarchy then bow their heads again
You try working for something that a system can’t make
Creating something that a law can’t take
Back as a loss of privilege for stepping out of line
Power ain’t been tested, so now’s the time to
fuck them up again!
fuck them up again!
fuck them up again!”

Classic

273820 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 11, #660 of 1526 🔗

Just sent this email to my MP:

Dear Ms Dodds,

As shadow chancellor, I am sure that you are aware of the huge spending by government, which has indebted this and future generations with very little to show in terms of outcome. A fraction of this spending could have doubled the capacity of the NHS.

These new (tier) restrictions, harsher than the current lockdown, indicate that lockdowns and restrictions on people’s liberties do not stop the virus, but only serve to damage the health and livelihoods of a very large number of Oxford (and UK) citizens.

The estimated economic loss for the new measures is likely to be in the order of £900million per day – this translates to poverty, misery and lower health for many – this is all for a virus for which the average age of death is 84 years (whilst general life expectancy is 82 years).

If on Tuesday you vote to destroy the jobs and livelihoods of others, do not expect to keep your own. When the reckoning comes for this, there will be no such thing as a safe seat. Scottish Labour MPs once thought their seats were safe. Look what happened to them.

Please feel free to copy what is relevant and send to your MP.

https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/contact-an-mp-or-lord/contact-your-mp/

274009 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Ozzie, 1, #661 of 1526 🔗

I sent this to my ‘member’

Dear…
I am one of your constituents, who has always voted for you in each election.

I would ask you to consider things very carefully, and then vote against the continuance of Government Coronavirus powers.

Here is why.

Whilst initially (March) it appeared that the situation warranted an extreme response, there is no longer any health emergency, and the restrictions on business and social activity are clearly having a massive impact on the very fabric of the country.

There are currently no excess deaths around the country for the time of year, there are no more patients in ICU, and, interestingly, the NHS is using up less oxygen in treating people than this time last year. ( Source, ONS, NHS public data)

Meanwhile the country is falling into deep debt, small businesses are going bankrupt, and general mental health is heading downwards.

Your vote represents an opportunity to at least begin bringing this sorry business to a close. It may be the last such opportunity for several months.

Please consider the situation and vote accordingly.

Yours

274147 ▶▶▶ AB, replying to Bill h, 1, #662 of 1526 🔗

Just sent mine in (thanks to Ozzie for parts of it)

Dear Maria

Under the code of conduct for MPs, you have a duty to act in the interests of the nation as a whole; and a special duty to your constituents

In 2018, you resigned as a vice chair of the Conservative party in protest over the proposed Brexit policy as it would be and I quote “bad for the country and bad for the party”

On Tuesday, you will have a chance to vote on the latest restrictions that your government wants to impose on the country.

These new (tier) restrictions, harsher than the current lockdown, indicate that lockdowns and restrictions on people’s liberties do not stop the virus, but only serve to damage the health and livelihoods of a very large number of Lewes district (and UK) citizens.

The estimated economic loss for the new measures is likely to be in the order of £900million per day – this translates to poverty, misery and lower health for many – this is all for a virus for which the average age of death is 84 years (whilst general life expectancy is 82 years).

If you are still the same person who had the principles to resign over Brexit, then you should resign your position as a junior whip and vote against the new tier restrictions.

Yours

273825 Zak Thelotofem, 1, #663 of 1526 🔗

Very enlightening interview (near the end) with Kevin McKernan (Developed the SOLiD sequencer. R&D lead Human Genome Project at MIT/WIBR) –

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1nXoeOwMD5pSw3EGPLUyX7?si=M-B3ZCTlTu2mpxTAzPevHAEeek

Helpful adjunct: https://bitesizebio.com/24581/what-is-a-ct-value/#:~:text=The%20Cq%20value%20is,therefore%20many%20Cq%20values .

** I hope Steve Baker and the rest of the CRG have discovered this guy and listened to his advice on Cq values

273826 gmwhite, replying to gmwhite, 17, #664 of 1526 🔗

I’d say there were around 5,000 people on the main march. The problem was that the police were trying their best to break everyone up.

And it worked, sadly. After we marched through Grosvenor Square there must have been a split because I ended up in a group of hundreds (rather than thousands) marching around an empty Soho and Chinatown, which was a bit surreal. I only managed to re-join the main event once we all re-grouped in Hyde Park, but when the “second lap” started I decided that was time to call it a day.

I also have never seen so many police vans in my life. But I take heart in the impression I got that they are seriously overstretched. Remember a few years ago when it was impossible to get into the Met without working for them for free, for years, as a Special Constable? Now every other vehicle had “we are recruiting” written on the side. And I would say that the majority of the officers I saw did not look physically up to the job: overweight, small, weak, slow or all of the above. Someone said that they had drafted in officers from other forces? If we could get a co-ordinated action going in several cities at the same time then we could really put them under pressure.

273853 ▶▶ Mark, replying to gmwhite, 10, #665 of 1526 🔗

Multiple city events is definitely the way to go, but it requires larger numbers of active supporters than concentrating in one location, obviously.

273861 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mark, 3, #666 of 1526 🔗

Yes – not sure there are enough for this.
Having said that many won’t have gone to London because they couldn’t travel that far, and may have gone out if something closer to where they live.
We need to make sure there are enough in each location otherwise it will backfire and people will go back inside again.

273862 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Mark, 2, #667 of 1526 🔗

I think so too. They won’t be able to cover multiple rallies.

273943 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bella Donna, #668 of 1526 🔗

Disagree. It will be just like policing football. Don’t know what the answer is but this isn’t it.

273835 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 18, #669 of 1526 🔗

COVID-19 Vaccine as part of an overall “toolkit”.

The majority of the population probably still believe that, as the COVID-19 vaccine rolls out, it will be a ticket to their freedom (because that is what they have been told since March). NOT SO.

We are increasingly being informed that the vaccine is unlikely to do much to reduce transmission of the virus. At best it may reduce the severity of the symptoms if you are infected. Therefore, the vaccine, by itself, will not be the sole solution, even with substantial take-up.

We are told that the vaccine will be part of a virus suppression “toolkit” along with existing and up-coming measures: social distancing, masks, mass testing, restrictions on gatherings?, self isolation, immunity passports etc. With sufficient take up of the vaccine, lock-downs should be avoided, but many or most of the others measures could persist long term? https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/1126/1180639-mike-ryan/

If that is the case (and I’m happy to be informed that I’ve got this wrong), what is the point of the huge cost and risk of mass roll-out of experimental vaccines? When the penny drops with the majority of people that the vaccine will not be their freedom ticket and that the restrictions they have suffered will persist, what happens next?

273842 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 18, #670 of 1526 🔗

Let me live in a world of transmission of colds and flu and freedom

273859 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, 5, #671 of 1526 🔗

I think we’ve heard more than enough about this vaccine to know not to have it!

273980 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to godowneasy, 1, #672 of 1526 🔗

This is what I’m holding out for. I still think there’s a chance of proper public revolt when they realise even the vaccine doesn’t get them back to normal.

274082 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to kenadams, #673 of 1526 🔗

Agreed, particularly when we get to “lockdown anniversary” in March 2021.

274229 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kenadams, #674 of 1526 🔗

The numpties in my village are convinced that the Magic Jab will restore normality.
They are in for a shock.
They will go on grovelling, no doubt … but for how long?

274700 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to godowneasy, #675 of 1526 🔗

With Canada preparing for covid21, this isn’t going away anytime soon.

273845 annie, replying to annie, 25, #676 of 1526 🔗

Little zombie, little zombie, quavering at home,
Do not eat the roast potatoes, do not dare to roam.

Open your windows wide, Covid safe, Covid safe.
It’s freezing cold outside, Covid safe, Covid safe.

Little zombie, little zombie, it is Christmas day,
Stay at home in isolation, that’s the zombie way.

273891 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to annie, 6, #677 of 1526 🔗

How could you! I loathe that christmas song and will now be unable to get it out of my head.
Great parody though.

273846 Sue James, 12, #678 of 1526 🔗

Thank god for lockdown sceptcs. Thanks so much for keeping this flow of information going. Also glad to see that I’m not the only one who can’t sleep! Have written to our MP (again) sometime after midnight!

273847 CGL, 2, #679 of 1526 🔗
273848 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 16, #680 of 1526 🔗

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.
Marcus Aurelius

273936 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Eddy, 2, #681 of 1526 🔗

All I can say is that on this earth there are pestilences and there are victims– and as far as possible one must refuse to be on the side of the pestilences

Albert Camus

273868 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, 12, #683 of 1526 🔗

The plan for lockdown 3 is already taking place.The government will just manufacture a spike and blame it on increased mixing over Christmas.
People are already mixing and ignoring lockdown restrictions and even their fake numbers are reducing.

273858 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 37, #684 of 1526 🔗

If the Covid Recovery Group were serious about wanting the government to change course on its responses to the coronavirus, there is a simple route open to them to force such a change. The group has at least seventy members, that is more than enough to trigger a Conservative Party leadership contest. If Mark Harper were to inform Number Ten that his group would submit fifty-five letters of no confidence to Graham Brady (1922 Committee) should the government continue on its current path, I suspect that Boris Johnson (who clearly values his own interests, as distinct from being a conviction politician) would immediately cave. However, if this tactic failed, the CRG could simply submit the letters and trigger a contest. Regardless of who won that contest, the debate around government responses to the virus would be radically changed. This would be the case because the issue would be centre stage and the harms of lockdowns and social distancing rules etc would be placed firmly in the mainstream of public discussion: and those harms substantially outweigh any possible benefits, which are at best marginal. Thus, whoever won such a contest would have to adopt a more measured and proportionate response, probably a traditional conservative approach of providing people with accurate information and appropriate advice and enabling them to make their own risks and rewards assessments, as everyone does routinely everyday.

273871 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #685 of 1526 🔗

I think some are waiting to see if Bozo botches Brexit. Afterall who would want to take over that particular baton?

273888 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #686 of 1526 🔗

We have already left the European Union. We left on 31 January 2020.

273913 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #687 of 1526 🔗

Yes. There really isn’t much left to do now except make sure we don’t give anything away in the “deal” that has gone beyond its deadline more than once. He could mess that up though.

274215 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to steph, #688 of 1526 🔗

It’s the potential “deal” that worries me.

With Johnson’s mental ability so much further impaired now, I hope the Brexiteers in Cons. are keeping a close eye….

273964 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #689 of 1526 🔗

As somebody said on Spectator: for Brexit to be meaningful, there has to be a Britain.

273976 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #690 of 1526 🔗

There is a lot in this. Why would anyone go for leader until the brexit deal is finished? If it’s a bad deal, then Johnson takes the flak in any leadership campaign (let’s face it, he’ll be toast). If it’s a half way decent one, it still won’t be enough to save him from the corona rubbish in any leadership campaign.

Because of this, I do still hold up some hope for first thing in the new year there being a proper Tory revolt. Perhaps I’m just being too optimistic though…

273873 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #691 of 1526 🔗

Exactly. I suspect it is a set up to provide false hope and to maintain a veneer of democracy. I don’t trust Steve Baker

273890 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ben, 14, #692 of 1526 🔗

If there had been a large group of dissenting Conservative MPs back in March none of this madness would have ever happened.

273881 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #693 of 1526 🔗

All the ‘so called’ rebels are trying to have it both ways, they are trying to keep in with all their constituency voters who are still terrified of covid and want everything locked down forever whilst at the same time trying to row back on the worst impacts of lockdowns. I am not pinning too much hope on them, all along with this group i have smelt a ‘sell out’ in the air and it still seems that way to me.

273923 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #694 of 1526 🔗

Indeed. We are in an echo chamber here. I fear most people still want to be locked down because they have the fear and are not adversely impacted. A reversal of that fear would be hard to engineer now even if the government wanted to. I bet the MPs would get more letters of complaint after restrictions are lifted than we can ever send now demanding they do so.
Today is a really bad day for me and I have lost all optimism because I don’t see anything to merit it.

273958 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, 4, #695 of 1526 🔗

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

273967 ▶▶▶ Gavroche, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #696 of 1526 🔗

I share your scepticism about the CRG and the very limited nature of their criticisms and goals. However, even if they are only really concerned about the negative effects of lockdowns on their own constituencies and happy to see them imposed elsewhere, the questions they’re asking about the lack of evidence to support locking their constituencies down may end up having a broader effect. Unwittingly, they’re pulling on one loose thread that may, with luck, unravel the whole case for lockdowns.

On Radio 4’s ‘Broadcasting House’ this morning, Michael Portillo stated he had consulted local senior doctors and heard no evidence of the NHS being overwhelmed, before mentioning that Vallance’s 4k deaths a day data had been nonsense. This kind of voice simply wasn’t being heard at all a few months ago on the national media. So things are moving a bit and, as I say, I have some hope that the CRG, however limited, may be unwittingly unravelling the whole sorry edifice (apologies for the mixed metaphor!).

273896 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #697 of 1526 🔗

They are just those “useful IDIOTS” that PRETEND to be against something to FOOL the Herd of modern MORON slaves into believing that their baa’s are being listened to!

273937 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #698 of 1526 🔗

Steve I agree. However, one step at a time. I think that vote of no confidence is coming let’s concentrate on this mess first and getting the lockdowns lifted in their entirety and then yes, instigate a vote of no confidence. I’m hoping the Labour Party will do the same with Keir Stalin.

273965 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #699 of 1526 🔗

This makes no sense. The Covid Recovery Group is not going to change the course of government policy just by voting against the tier measures on Tuesday. The only way for them to change the government’s approach is through the letters to Graham Brady route.

As for the Labour Party, what route do you see to a change of position on the virus issue?

274003 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #700 of 1526 🔗

trigger a Conservative Party leadership contest”

In your dreams. You don’t really think that these timid tots who were easily bought off by Handoncock’s last weak promise are going to risk their necks that far???

274012 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 2, #701 of 1526 🔗

There is no risk and there is much to gain.

First, the mere threat of such letters is likely to cause Johnson to change tack. He is not a conviction politician. He wants to remain leader and prime minister. The threat would carry serious weight with him. More than the stories his advisors have told him about the NHS being overwhelmed.

Second, even if the threat were insufficient, carrying out would not be of any risk. You will recall that the Conservative MPs who sent letters to Graham Brady that saw the leadership contest against Theresa May suffered no negative consequences. On the contrary, triggering a leadership contest offers backbenchers opportunities for advancement.

Third, disloyalty is a long established tradition in the Conservative Party. It is the way the party changes policies so it can maintain its position of power and influence.

273874 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to kh1485, 7, #703 of 1526 🔗

I was just about to post that up myself. That’s just extraordinarily horrifying

273878 ▶▶ watashi, replying to kh1485, 8, #704 of 1526 🔗

seriously disgusting shocking stuff.

273886 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to watashi, 7, #705 of 1526 🔗

And what kind of parent lets their child be used in this hideous way.

273887 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to kh1485, 9, #706 of 1526 🔗

someone who thinks it`s acceptable to mask children?

273897 ▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 2, #707 of 1526 🔗

And Claire Fox is for the vaccine?

273903 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to CGL, 3, #708 of 1526 🔗

Looks like it sadly.

273910 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 3, #709 of 1526 🔗

So the fact that this kind of propaganda is even allowed to be aired doesn’t throw up any red flags for her?

273911 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to CGL, 2, #710 of 1526 🔗

I think that rather she is for freedom of choice in the matter.

I very strongly doubt that she would be shilling for big pharma or advocating for mandatory vaccines.

273924 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to John P, 2, #711 of 1526 🔗

That was my take on it also.

273996 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to CGL, 1, #712 of 1526 🔗

I doubt that she’s actually worked it out that far – she’s a typical extreme left to right highly confused reverse ferret.

273912 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to kh1485, 2, #713 of 1526 🔗

Don’t watch Irish TV but this “premier” programme was most likely watched by the majority of people. Watched the clip from twitter – I can’t remember seeing anything so disgusting. Apparently they raised over 6 million Euro – I wonder where the cash will end up?

274008 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 2, #714 of 1526 🔗

Almost every young child in the country will have watched this. It’s the Late Late Shows annual Toy Show.

They regularly have Luke O Neill on the show to beat the the fear drum for the nation. The same fella who was filmed telling secondary school children that it’ll be regular vaccines, masks always and non removable ID bracelets to beat the virus.

273867 Liam, replying to Liam, 34, #715 of 1526 🔗

I’ve just read Boros’ piece in the Mail.

The man is carpet-chewingly insane.

273870 ▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, 10, #716 of 1526 🔗

Yes, he’s totally lost it.

273925 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to John P, 12, #717 of 1526 🔗

He certainly has. I read it in disbelief. This is the Prime Minister of this country? God help us. He’s utterly barking. He needs to stick two sticks up his nose and plead insanity to be moved out of the trenches.

On a more serious note The Sunset Clause about the 3rd February is a bluff. He knows damned well that, his own MPs will probably rebel and vote against continuation of the tiers he knows Dictator Comrade Keir Stalin, in his thirst for power, will vote for it just to exercise that power over a weak government. He couldn’t give a damn about the good of the nation. So it’s a game of bluff and double bluff with the nation’s economy and well being.

273959 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #718 of 1526 🔗

If the revolt is high enough and Labour pulled their support then it would see a vote of no confidence would it not ?

273993 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, #719 of 1526 🔗

No it wouldn’t necessarily.

… but it would be a welcome turnaround from Starmer, the Tory whip.

273957 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Liam, 2, #720 of 1526 🔗

And imagine how many people were involved in that article. His private office, his SPADS. The Mail itself and it was still a load of old codswallop.

273875 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 25, #721 of 1526 🔗

After watching most of the protest videos on YouTube I’m surprised at the number of Police Officers who looked overweight and with scruffy big beards I also saw a video where someone they was holding broke free and ran for it the Officers gave a pathetic attempt at chasing him but got nowhere near catching him ,so either Police officers don’t need to be fit these days or they are not legit Police ?

273895 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to tonyspurs, 21, #722 of 1526 🔗

The fitness test has been dumbed down so females can pass it

(No I’m not being sexist. They wanted a 50% female force but few females could get to level 10 on the bleep test so they dropped it down to 3)

Many of the TSG and Public Order bods are abusing steroids

This gives them great anaerobic strength, big muscles etc

This however compromises there aerobic capacity. Many in their twenties and thirties cannot run more than 20 yards without getting out of breath

The ‘roid rage’ also explains the outbursts of aggression and 5,000+ complaints for the TSG

273901 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, 9, #723 of 1526 🔗

You don’t need to be muscular to run fast. In fact it can be a hindrance.

Those policemen chasing that guy were real porkers! They looked very unfit to me.

273880 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #724 of 1526 🔗

There are only two words that the SRF & Billionaires understand and fear the most:

VIOLENCE AND LOSS.

Instead of wasting time with street protests and other nonsense (that once again just serves to some fellow slaves to be arrested) organize SMART EVENTS where the target are the millionaires, billionaires and if possible the SRF!

If you guys think that They will STOP OPERATION COVID and the ones that will follow just because of this type of “street protest”… Think better!

They are probably laughing while watching you guys on a big 8K screen and saying:

“These morons always do the same stupid thing… Lovely! Another drink?”

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273991 ▶▶ chris, replying to Voz 0db, -1, #725 of 1526 🔗

Are you promoting violence?

274090 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to chris, #726 of 1526 🔗

Always the stupid question! No wonder…

I just stating FACTS. If the herd of moron slaves wants to remain into grazing mode and do “street protests” and other moronic stuff… good for them.

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274135 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #727 of 1526 🔗

In honour of my Fellow UK Slaves…

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Another drink? “…

laughable… One modern moron slave is being screwed, and the rest just takes pictures!

274606 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Voz 0db, #728 of 1526 🔗

You sure he’s being arrested? Looks like they are playing The Farmer Wants a Wife ! 😉

273882 Mel, replying to Mel, 25, #729 of 1526 🔗

Just walked across my local park in East London. People may not be protesting, but they are certainly not observing the lockdown. Very few masks, no social distancing, and the kids’ playground was absolutely packed.

273893 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Mel, 9, #730 of 1526 🔗

same here in small town warwickshire

273904 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to watashi, 12, #731 of 1526 🔗

Very few people still believe this shit.

273907 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 6, #732 of 1526 🔗

A lot are still complying though, unfortunately.

273955 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Mel, 8, #733 of 1526 🔗

i am absolutely convinced that is by far the best to “protest” – just everyone everywhere everyday ignoring the rules, and thereby avoiding the opportunity for centralised interference/intervention – that simply cannot be policed! i really think that’s what sumption means by “unenforceable”…

273972 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Mel, 5, #734 of 1526 🔗

I notice a lot of double think at the moment. I’ve also just come from a park in east London. Full. Playground never been so busy. But, when I overhear snippets of middle class people talking to each other, they still seem to believe in the whole nonsense, at least partially.

I want to shout at them – if you really thought there was a truly deadly virus going around, you wouldn’t be going to a busy playground to have a coffee and a natter with your friends.

273883 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 13, #735 of 1526 🔗

I don’t know whether this newspaper, THE LIGHT, calling itself “A Truthpaper”, has been featured on this site. Twenty pages and Free. Masks, Lawsuits, Economy, Health and a lot more. Organising a Freedom Network across the country freeusnow@protomail.com

Website: http://www.thelightpaper.co.uk

273889 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #736 of 1526 🔗

Going straight to it. Sounds good.

273892 ▶▶ watashi, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #737 of 1526 🔗

It s good. I ve seen issues 2 & 4. Signed up to be a distributor.

273918 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #738 of 1526 🔗

Who owns and funds this paper?

273931 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Ben, #739 of 1526 🔗

Need to know basis I’d say.

Putting such info out there is unlikely to be of benefit – except perhaps to 77th.

273933 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Bill h, #740 of 1526 🔗

Btw, I’ve no idea !

273885 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #741 of 1526 🔗

Son met in Amsterdam airport yesterday someone he had worked with in the South of France and they still live in Rouen.

Little independent retailers closing there as well, never to reopen. His friend says the city is being literally destroyed by the day.

Economic destruction of the small guy going a planned everywhere.

trying to get him to write a piece about his experiences in Poland and his recent flying but so far all he’s done is eat and sleep.

273898 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #742 of 1526 🔗

Immoral and criminal. Police and politicians are complicit.. The Great Reset is in fact the Great Destruct

273899 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #743 of 1526 🔗

Locally organised protests outside the homes of MP’s

273956 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cecil B, 5, #744 of 1526 🔗

Spot on Cecil. Time for Direct mass engagement. Civil of course, but if plod are going to block usual routes of protest, it’s not unreasonable to take the protest to them.

273961 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 7, #745 of 1526 🔗

This has been happening in Italy where politicians and the police are busy closing down businesses and destroying lives and livelihoods for the Great Reset, pushing thousands into poverty. The situation is so dire I wonder if there might be a revolution in Italy

273914 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 62, #746 of 1526 🔗

Thank you LS for posting these articles and updates. Firstly, a huge hug and thank you to all those brave protestors, we just need to turn out in more significant seriously significant numbers. I was working yesterday but I’ll definitely be at the next ones and others and try to organise too. The Thugs Shits and Gangster Group are the only ones perpetrating the violence. You would think that the Police would find a better and more intelligent way to engage with protestors wouldn’t you. We have a right to peaceful protest and demonstration in this country. The Police could, of course, engage with the organisers and agree away for the protests to go ahead. But that would spoil their fun of beating people up, spraying pepper in their faces, making false arrests etc. They will not win. They could of course, stop arresting Piers Morgan too.

Anyway, I thought I would just relay an experience I had today in a supermarket I rarely use. As usual, I was unmasked. A very nice security guard stopped me as I entered the shop. He asked me whether I had a mask. I replied “No Sir, I do not have a mask”. He asked me whether I was exempt from wearing said mask. I said “No Sir, I am not exempt”. He asked why then was I not wearing a mask. I said “Because I am engaged in an act of Civil Disobedience Sir”. He replied “O.K. madam” and went about his business. So stunned was I at this that a fellow customer had to pick me up off the floor. On the way out he gave me a cheery thumbs up!!

Now in this neck of the woods we have a most eminently sensible Chief Constable and police force. They are not engaged at all with arresting non mask wearing citizens and the Chief Constable has also said the police will not attend call outs about people who are not wearing masks or to reports of people entering other people’s houses. He has also recently said that the police will not be deployed on knocking on people’s doors at Christmas and they will not respond to any call outs. Now, here is not only an intelligent Chief Constable but also one who understands the role of police in society.

273916 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jo Dominich -, 9, #747 of 1526 🔗

Wow!

273940 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Jo Dominich -, 9, #748 of 1526 🔗

Nice one. I’m going to say that next time I’m challenged.

273950 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #749 of 1526 🔗

Awesome answer! Your CC is clearly a good egg too!

273966 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Jo Dominich -, 12, #750 of 1526 🔗

Hi

Not sure why you would call someone, who should not have questioned why you weren’t wearing a mask, “Sir”, is beyond me! I appreciate you are probably a most well mannered person, but I still find it surprising.

The man clearly didn’t have any real respect for you, otherwise he wouldn’t have challenged you. He has no right to do so, he must know this.

He could have legally asked you to leave the premises, as they are presumably private property, but that’s all.

I don’t wear a mask – mainly because I feel quite panic stricken when wearing one and the only person who asked me so far, was the manager of a petrol station near me, he was behind a perspex counter to ceiling screen with a face mask, he was quite rude so I paid and told him the error of his ways and informed him I would never use the place again.

I have been buying most of my petrol there for over 35 years.

Never again.

Three other people I mentioned it to have also ceased using it and said they would tell others the same.

Contempt for customers should mean that business is given an “opportunity” to fail permanently, in my opinion.

Anyway, good for you for standing up for yourself!

BTW – have found another station not much further away with cheerful young guys who always “Hi Sir” when I go in, and we often have a little joke or comment about the weather etc. I have almost run out of petrol a couple of times, as I now try to plan to get to them to give them my business if at all possible!

274005 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to dhid, 8, #751 of 1526 🔗

dhid, thanks for this response. BTW I work in a petrol station two days a week. Good for you for not tolerating rudeness. Anyway, my choice of the use of Sir was deliberate and has been in certain situations. I was using it as an emphasis on authority. I spoke in the plummiest of my accents too!!

274193 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #752 of 1526 🔗

Ah gotcha – used as a kind of sarcastic put-down! Well done!

273979 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Jo Dominich -, 9, #753 of 1526 🔗

I think if they did arrest Piers Morgan, a lot would give a cheer. But we all know who you meant!

273986 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #754 of 1526 🔗

Great stuff! Well done!

Also especially liked: “ stop arresting Piers Morgan too “. It’s a pleasant thought, but as far as I’m aware they’ve been too busy wrongfully arresting Piers Corbyn to properly deal with Piers Morgan’s crimes against truth and decency.

273995 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mark, 8, #755 of 1526 🔗

I must say that this is the first time I have been stopped since masks were made mandatory so I was pretty much thinking on my feet. I had read Corbett’s article about acting as normal and engaging in acts of civil disobedience so it was still in my mind when I made the response. However, I think we need to start promoting acts of civil disobedience and saying it loudly. The night before, after reading Corbett’s article I had made a list of things I could civilly disobey so to speak. Yes, anorak is my middle name. I think that was also at the forefront of my mind. But thanks for your support.

274035 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #756 of 1526 🔗

The very few shops I have visited since March, seem not to be care about masks at all.
Its other people that have the issue.

Great answer btw, totally nabbing that.

274080 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #757 of 1526 🔗

I think Piers Morgan should be arrested more often, but they should lay off Piers Corbyn for a bit 😅

274665 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jonathan Smith, #758 of 1526 🔗

I think I’m either guilty of wishful thinking or a freudian slip.

274341 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #759 of 1526 🔗

Blimey. This sets a new bar in the anti-mask endeavour. I shall give your example some very serious thought indeed…

273915 Martin Robson, replying to Martin Robson, -87, #760 of 1526 🔗

It comes to something when ‘Corbyn’ is in the news and it’s only Jeremy’s stupid brother.
In America they call these rabid anti-vaxxer libertarians covidiots and with good reason. I’m glad they were arrested and sorry that they marched at all.

273919 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Martin Robson, 13, #761 of 1526 🔗

Do you feel better now Martin?

273922 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Martin Robson, 13, #762 of 1526 🔗

Humm interesting, perhaps we could explore some of your underlying issues?
If you would be so kind as to “open the door” a bit?

273926 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Martin Robson, 19, #763 of 1526 🔗

Thanks for that Martin. Don’t call us, we’ll call you 🙂

273929 ▶▶ John P, replying to Martin Robson, 27, #764 of 1526 🔗

I’m all for free speech Martin, but what was the point you were trying to make?

I doubt that everyone on the marches are anti-vaccine. Many are pro choice. I am not anti-vax, but I don’t intend to take any rushed covid vaccines. In fact, given that covid poses almost no risk to me, I don’t intend to take one at all.

But you have it if you want it Martin.

273935 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Martin Robson, 20, #765 of 1526 🔗

Well Martin. It’s good for free speech that you can make these comments, are you going to back up the abuse with any evidence that vaccines are totally safe?

273938 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Martin Robson, 30, #766 of 1526 🔗

‘Anti-vaxxer’ used to mean somebody who was against all vaccines on principle. Now it seems to mean anybody who asks critical questions about any vaccine. even if that vaccine has been developed in months, using anew experimental technology and is intended to protect against something with (according to the WHO) a 0.14% IFR, almost all of whom are close to death.

The word ‘libertarian’ has also undergome a strange transformation. It used to mean broadly someone who put the rights of the individual above the so-called good of society.

Now, you are a libertarian if you think you have a right to enter a shop and still breathe air which is 20 % oxygen, or if you think you should be able to go for a walk during the hours of darkness. Those arrested yesterday are presumably libertarians for thinking they should be able to walk peacefully together through the streets of London.

273942 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Martin Robson, 16, #767 of 1526 🔗

The fact that some people call other people who disagree with them a playground name doesn’t really impress anyone outside the playground. In fact it just pretty much sums up the infantilisation of debate that is going on around the few serious people actually looking at the real issues.

I’m not really upset that my reasonable objection to being a live guinea pig for a barely tested vaccine means that some people who are more easily led than me call me a nasty name. It just reinforces the fact that there are adults who are worth engaging with and children who aren’t.

If you want the vaccine you are more than welcome. If I’m ever in a position where the risk/benefit ratio warrants me taking it, I will be glad of the gullible people who tested it for me first. So thank you for being a meat shield for the grown ups. We recognise your service.

273952 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Martin Robson, 6, #768 of 1526 🔗

Please have a go and spend 10 minutes reading this well researched letter drafted by drs, scientist and lawyer on the vaccine legalities and very importantly it’s risks. I have just posted above a minute ago but will do so here for you. You don’t need to be a so called anti vaxxer to have questions about what is proposed for an entire population.

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/5fbd13488af2de09d68bd61c_UKMFA_Letter_to_MHRA_JCVI.pdf

273962 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Martin Robson, 17, #769 of 1526 🔗

They call them “rabid anti-vaxxer libertarians” and “covidiots” and other names because they are completely unable to counter the rational and reasoned arguments backed now by a huge body of good science. Ad hominems, rabble rousing, hysteria and coercion are all they (and you) have got. The media focus on Corbyn to distract from the huge numbers who don’t share his views. You lap that up and regurgitate it without any critical thought because they have you trained now.

273973 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Martin Robson, 12, #770 of 1526 🔗

Name calling is like violence, it is the final refuge of the incompetent. (Nearly said ‘incontinent’. Freudian)

274061 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Basileus, 2, #771 of 1526 🔗

I nearly wet myself laughing, oh wait….

273917 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 37, #772 of 1526 🔗

The scene of dozens of police meeting, kidnapping and arresting peaceful protestors on a coach yesterdays should really shame the country.

It looks like they are arriving at a camp for processing, with the SS stormtroopers awaiting them. With the current standard of police officers I have no doubt they would happily commit genocide without hesitation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_fhmXVcHvA

We resemble an occupied country more every day – as does much of the world.

273941 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Darryl, 11, #773 of 1526 🔗

For some time I’ve thought the badge gang are simply the largest, best-funded group of street thugs.

273947 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Darryl, 25, #774 of 1526 🔗

I view this behaviour as a sign of weakness. All such thuggery tends to radicalize those on the receiving end, as well as many of those who witness it – see the viewing numbers on those videos.

Many people yesterday will have learned more about politics in a couple of hours than in three years of seminars.

In short, the police won a short-term goal – disruptimg the protest – at the cost of building long term resistance.

Silly Little Plod.

273968 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to calchas, 6, #775 of 1526 🔗

…… it is the end of the beginning.

274040 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to calchas, 13, #776 of 1526 🔗

That’s my argument exactly. They are hanging themselves with their own rope. I’m cheering them on!

Much respect to yesterdays attendees.

Arnie.

273953 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Darryl, 9, #777 of 1526 🔗

Again the problems are self created by the idiotic police. The right response now is once / twice a week take the protest to the constituency office of an MP. Direct immediate action. London has protests every day of the week (usually) the met are well versed in taking the emotion out of action and will nick first and ask questions later. Local police are much less effective in dealing with protest.

274390 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Darryl, #778 of 1526 🔗

I could not believe how long this took. they had enough police there to be done in 10 minutes. Why are they all standing around inside the coach, not distancing, instead of writing down people’s details if that was their job?

273939 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #779 of 1526 🔗

Excellent interview in German by a sceptical toxicology and immunology professor on the real risks and shortcomings of the vaccines.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuOqDy4TEo

274366 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jay Berger, #780 of 1526 🔗

Surprises me that a Bavarian radio station has critics given a platform, as they are in the county with a dictator leader.
Well Done.

273944 Ben, replying to Ben, 11, #781 of 1526 🔗

2.4m views

Dr Wolfgang Wodarg and his thoughts on the corona virus – “The emperor has no clothes”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=p_AyuhbnPOI

274252 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 4, #782 of 1526 🔗

Great news. Reiner Fuellmich started the legal process. Law suit filed on 25.11.20 in Germany. Plaintiff is Dr Wolfgang Wordarg and this is a defamation law suit against a group of so-called fact checkers that are manipulating the truth. They accuse Dr Wordag of lying when he says that the PCR test cannot pick up a current infection. Fact checkers seems to never produce information but simply label you. This will be a blue print for other law suits around the world – one of many law suits coming via many other lawyers especially in the US and Canada

Notes:
Dr Wordag was instrumental in fighting the Swine Flu hoax – 700 children in Europe were disabled for life by the Swine Flu vaccine – narcolepsy that is percent damage to the brain.

https://odysee.com/@Illusion2Reality:b/Dr-Reiner-Fuellmich-Covid-19-Law-Suit-small:e&nbsp ;

274401 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 2, #783 of 1526 🔗

I think most people can see that anything that calls itself a fact checker is in fact a censorship tool of the State

273945 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 23, #784 of 1526 🔗

It just occurred to me that, with the help of LS, the Telegraph and the Spectator that Bob could compile a book of his brilliant and darkly comic cartoons charting lockdown. Each cartoon could be accompanied by a quote from those accruing on this site and/or a definition from the Covid Devil’s Dictionary. I know this isn’t finished yet so there are more cartoons to come but, it would provide a contemperanous, humerous but serious look at Lockdown and the last days of Democracy in Britain or the fight for Democracy that the people won.

Just thinking.

274083 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jo Dominich -, #785 of 1526 🔗

Good idea.

273946 Suzyv, 7, #786 of 1526 🔗

This letter is also a good read re: vaccine legalities and risks. It is well researched and well set out and worth a 10 minute read. https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/5fbd13488af2de09d68bd61c_UKMFA_Letter_to_MHRA_JCVI.pdf

273949 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 19, #787 of 1526 🔗

took a walk along the Thames to Richmond. Pretty crowded but just one mask

273985 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to crimsonpirate, #788 of 1526 🔗

I knew it was too early to step out, walking dead

273992 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to crimsonpirate, 13, #789 of 1526 🔗

Quite crowded at the local river/ beauty spot round my way (East Anglia). Lots of people out walking. Joined a social gathering of people from the village outside a little tea shop – 20 or so people standing/sitting around drinking tea on the pavement, good atmosphere. Met two acquaintances and they both slagged off the lockdown (one is a nurse). No masks to be seen at all.

274081 ▶▶ annie, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #790 of 1526 🔗

Sweet Thames, run softly, wearing masks is wrong.

274117 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to annie, 1, #791 of 1526 🔗

nothing the TSG could do about this- the soft resistance will prevail

273954 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 20, #792 of 1526 🔗

the Boris legacy

274000 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #793 of 1526 🔗

Like the pub name on the top sign!

274045 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #794 of 1526 🔗

Bob really has got Whitty to a tee.

273970 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #795 of 1526 🔗

Sucharit Bhakdi reports that Amazon will no longer sell his book ‘Corona False Alarm’.

They say that to do so it would break the ‘National Security Law’

Heard it on Dr Bodo Schiffmann’s latest video in Germany.

It wasfor a while replaced on the Amazon site by an effective fake, purporting to be written by someone with a name very similar to that of Professor Bhakdi’s wife.

The fake was full of nonsense.

Prof. Bhakdis’s Youtube channel has also been removedt

273977 ▶▶ Peter Walker, replying to calchas, 1, #796 of 1526 🔗

I managed to order two copies from another seller, ‘A Great Read’….they appear to be still available….

Peter.

273982 ▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 6, #797 of 1526 🔗

That sorts the ‘Cock-Up’ via ‘Conspiracy’ debate!

273998 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, #798 of 1526 🔗

Those paying attention found that out in May at the latest – Dolores, Judy +++++.

273983 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to calchas, 1, #799 of 1526 🔗

Looks like it’s still available on Amazon, but it’s out of stock at Waterstones and Books Etc. Why would it be “out of stock”, I wonder?

273988 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to calchas, 1, #800 of 1526 🔗

Move his channel to Odysee.

274141 ▶▶ watashi, replying to calchas, #802 of 1526 🔗

Oh dear, I bought another 3 copies yesterday (have already purchased 4 and passed them on to people) to give as xmas presents..I wonder if they will turn up.

274352 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, #803 of 1526 🔗

We shouldn’t’ be buying from Arsezone anyway.

274658 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, #804 of 1526 🔗

Boycott Amazon and YouTube

273971 Peter Walker, 2, #805 of 1526 🔗

Just noticed that all trace of yesterday’s protest in London, and 155 arrests has completely disappeared from the State Broadcasting Service’s website!
Spooky or what???

PW

273975 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 17, #806 of 1526 🔗

Dan Hannan is an obsequious, toadying knob!

That is all.

273990 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 8, #807 of 1526 🔗

Promised a job/something to hide?

274044 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 1, #808 of 1526 🔗

Promised a job

After a job, and a safe seat, that’s for sure.

That said, I think he already got a place on the Board of Trade from BJ, so it’s now the safe seat he wants.

274072 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to kh1485, 2, #809 of 1526 🔗

In the latter camp!

274293 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, #810 of 1526 🔗

Oh no – what’s he said – another one I thought was a good guy. What have they got over all of them?

273981 John P, 4, #811 of 1526 🔗

Martin Daubney of Unlocked talks to barrister Francis Hoar on the legal issue surrounding covid vaccine:

https://twitter.com/Unlocked_UK_/status/1332756379380166657

273984 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #812 of 1526 🔗

This is nothing new

They persuaded men to sit in cold muddy trenches and murder people just like them, and to be murdered by people just like them

They persuaded men to run at machine guns until none of them were left

They persuaded men to give up their lives before they were twenty so the King could sit in his counting house, counting out his money without interference from his cousin

They persuaded people to drop high explosive on children from 20,000 feet in the interests of humanity

We gloried in all this tripe

It was all so we could be ‘free’ whatever that is

We are not free and never have been

If you complain they kick the shit out of you and make you a ‘criminal’
whatever that is

We are all criminals now

274001 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cecil B, 8, #813 of 1526 🔗

I was just thinking along those lines and the politicians have been persuaded once again to go along with the plans, and if it did all happen, actually making themselves obsolete.

273989 Dorian_Hawkmoon, 14, #814 of 1526 🔗

My caption for the headline Santa protester pic:
“Police shown arresting Santa at the anti-lockdown protests in London for having too many reindeer and therefore breaking the rule of six.”

273997 Ryan, replying to Ryan, 55, #815 of 1526 🔗

My tuppence worth on yesterday’s march(es).

Walked up Gray’s Inn road at the back off 11 to get to King’s Cross and saw loads of TSG vans heading up there as well.
I was still shocked by the number of coppers there when I arrived.

Place was hoochin’ wi’ them. Proper pigsty.

As I was there early I took a walk around the outside of the station up Goods Way and Granary Square. The place was a car park with a whole assortment of police vehicles. I think they were expecting trouble as I witnessed police going shop to shop on Goods Way explaining to staff why there were so many coppers about and asking staff to be ready to shutter up.

Back down to King’s Cross and a coffee from McDonalds. This was the busiest shop there by far and it was ridiculous to watch maskless customers walking past masked up coppers standing outside, who to be fair didn’t give a monkeys.

I hung about the square till nearly quarter past 12 and it was clear nothing was going to happen there. There was a minor scuffle in a small corner of the square and a couple of folk got lifted I think. By then word (I don’t do social media so word of mouth for me) seemed to have gotten round that Marble Arch was the place to go.

I walked down to Marble Arch via TCR (and Greggs for a lunch time sausage roll) and along Oxford Street where I met a large march coming along Oxford Street.

I joined it and walked down Regent Street via Oxford Circus.
Traffic brought to a standstill and a few scuffles and people being lifted on the way down Regent Street.

The march then seemed to be blocked and then went walkabout round Carnaby/Soho/Chinatown and down Shaftsbury Avenue.
By then it looked like the crowd had been split up into smaller sections and was really petering out.

By that point I decided nothing much was happening so decided to head back to Marble Arch via Park Lane.

When I was nearly at the top of Park Lane a far larger march then turned off Oxford Street and down Park Lane towards Hyde Park Corner. Again I joined and walked down maybe as far as the Dorchester before deciding my poor feet had had enough and it was time to head off home.

Maybe what the coppers wanted, but I felt I’d done my bit.

A few observations.

–         The crowd were good natured and certainly not violent. Anybody claiming they were (usually follow by the ‘right-wing’ tag) is simply lying.

–         The police have to be careful. A good natured crowd who in some places outnumbered them  could do them serious damage if they wanted to. Especially the ‘snatch squads’ who would run into the crowd, grab somebody then form a circle round the victim. On several occasions I could easily have taken the jaw off a copper with a well-aimed boot if I had wanted to as he wresting on the ground. In effect consent was given for those arrests by the crowd. It may just be a matter of time before consent is withdrawn completely.

–         On my way back up through town via Mayfair to Marble Arch I was wondering why the protest numbers seemed so small considering what’s at stake. I then realised as I looked about me. Nobody cared. I don’t mean nobody cares about ‘lockdown’, I mean nobody cares about the ‘rules’. I saw people shopping, in and out cars, taxis, buses, shopping bags, coffee shops. I saw people meeting up hugging and gossiping and kids in playing in a few squares I came across.

If the Government think people are following these rules they are more stupid than you could ever imagine. The evidence of your own eyes tells you that.

Thanks to those who have written about what happens after you get nicked. I can’t say I wasn’t apprehensive about that scenario arising but if it’s as described then frankly I don’t give a toss and have no intension or rolling about on the ground getting dirty wresting with a pig. Arrest me, turn out my pockets and give me £100 fine which I won’t be paying. All rather pointless.

Chin, chin.

274259 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Ryan, 3, #816 of 1526 🔗

you’ve hit the nail on the head there my friend – everyone should just forget about centralised protests & confrontations altogether and JUST NOT FOLLOW THE “RULES “! totally impossible to police, so the rules become de facto “unenforceable”…

274378 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ryan, #817 of 1526 🔗

Hi Ryan, I was there too and agree that it all felt very fragmented and a bit pointless. Having been forced to leave Kings X under threat of arrest at about 12.40, I jumped a bus from Euston Rd to Oxford Circus and walked along to Marble Arch. There were no significant numbers in Oxford St at this point. Arriving at MA I saw Piers emerging from Speakers’ Corner to cross over to MA and even shook hands with him. He told me the intention was to march along Oxford St, down Regent St, and on to Piccadilly Circus. I never saw any real numbers anywhere (except TSG) and decided to walk down Park Lane, along Piccadilly to the Circus, down to Trafalgar Sq and, if nothing doing, back to Waterloo; this was at roughly 2.15. I never saw any numbers at all and concluded that the police tactics to not allow any numbers to congregate had worked. At what time roughly did you meet them coming out of Oxford St to go down Park Lane? Having made a round trip of 450+ miles and been in Trafalgar Sq August and September, I did feel the effort was not very productive but it seems that some made their presence felt which gives me some cheer at least!

273999 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #818 of 1526 🔗

“Moderna’s chief scientist says its vaccine prevents coronavirus from making people sick – but the shot may NOT stop you from spreading the virus”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8982747/Modernas-covid-vaccine-NOT-block-covid-positive-spreading-it.html

So, anti-social distancing and muzzles to continue.

274004 ▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 13, #819 of 1526 🔗

Well he’s lying.

If you can’t catch it you can’t spread it.

Vaccines – in theory – prevent people from becoming infected in the first place.

Either their vaccine doesn’t work or they haven’t made a vaccine.

274007 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to calchas, 3, #820 of 1526 🔗

What virus?

274010 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 2, #821 of 1526 🔗

So if you arent sick what’s the problem

274027 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #822 of 1526 🔗

The problem is that if you can catch it then it isn’t a vaccine.

Medicines and drugs – if they work – can ameliorate symptoms.

Vaccines – if they work – prevent you from becoming infected in the first place.
Symptoms then become an irrelevance.

274013 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to calchas, 11, #823 of 1526 🔗

Fortify your immune system. Immune system has no side effects.

On BBC radio 4 this morning they trailed program about ‘How to vaccinate the world’. Made me furious. Should be ‘ WHY the hell vaccinate the world?’

274015 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #824 of 1526 🔗
274345 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to PastImperfect, #825 of 1526 🔗

Yea, I heard the trailer. I thought, I am sure the people in Congo are very worried about that, just after they managed to avoid catching Ebola.

274225 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, #826 of 1526 🔗

This is an interesting one.

They need to get their story straight.

The Pfizer trial to my knowledge just measured whether the vaccine mitigated symptoms, so given that these loonies believe in asymptomatic transmission, the argument that you should get vaccinated to help others doesn’t stack up.

274002 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #827 of 1526 🔗

The theory is that pro-freedom, conservative, or right wing people don’t go to protests is because they’re usually working class, so they not only have to go to work, but they also want to keep that job. But now with everyone being laid off or on furlough, that doesn’t apply any longer.

274026 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #828 of 1526 🔗

Nothing like a pair of tinted glasses to flatten perception.

274221 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #829 of 1526 🔗

Paper on the demographics of extinction rebellion protesters
https://www.cusp.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/WP25-XR-report_final.pdf

Key points – none of these should be a surprise

85% educated to degree level
mostly describing themselves as middle class
almost all green party or Corbyn supporters – very few conservative or oddly Lib Dems
65% female – age diverse – mean age was 41
Data on those arrested and charged suggests that participation in these protests was strongly English, southern, and non-metropolitan,
Few had previous records of protest or arrest on protests
Many are public sector, students or others including retires (probably from public sector) – few private sector employees
Almost 100% white

Why do they have so much leeway and impact – they may be the daughters of people in power or influence, who go along with their crap hoping for a quieter life ??

Why do freedom advocates have relatively little impact ? – we tend not to be part of the decision making class (Lord Gumption, Hitchens , Toby and JHB excepted)

274006 SionnachAirgid, replying to SionnachAirgid, 18, #830 of 1526 🔗

Quite a few people a the beach today (I know it looks quiet but it’s over a mile long and they’re mostly at the other end), at least 100 vehicles in the car park, and not a single mask to be seen for a change (yes, people really do wear masks on the beach down here, saw a whole family of them last weekend). Judging by the number of large and expensive looking motor homes I’d say there are a few visitors from ‘up country’ but unlike earlier in the year the police don’t seem remotely interested at the moment.

274017 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to SionnachAirgid, 5, #831 of 1526 🔗

Lovely summers day shot for November.

274023 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Jonny S., 2, #832 of 1526 🔗

Thank you, it was surprisingly warm

274022 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to SionnachAirgid, 3, #833 of 1526 🔗

Sapphire tinted skies… beautiful

274024 ▶▶ DRW, replying to SionnachAirgid, 4, #834 of 1526 🔗

Looks nice, much better weather than the dismal cloud round here today!

274077 ▶▶ annie, replying to SionnachAirgid, 3, #835 of 1526 🔗

Hope everybody had a great time.

274178 ▶▶ dhid, replying to SionnachAirgid, 1, #836 of 1526 🔗

Lovely shot!

Funnily enough where I am on English South Coast, the beaches are about the only place most people don’t wear masks. You get the odd one or two, but quite rare.

Sometimes you almost forget the insanity everywhere else.

274506 ▶▶ CGL, replying to SionnachAirgid, 1, #837 of 1526 🔗

Beautiful

274011 Jonny S., 4, #838 of 1526 🔗

Don’t do the old twattersphere myself but just looked at Jason McCartney’s twatter feed. He retwattered something from Kirklees council giving stats that are out of date. Glad to see lots of sceptical replies from general public and no surprise the council can’t be arsed to keep up with latest stats in a so called ‘pandemic’

274016 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #839 of 1526 🔗

Why don’t they just pay the politicians and let’s get back to normal, dragging it out or what.

274021 ▶▶ John P, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #840 of 1526 🔗

We – the taxpayers – already pay them £82,000 per year.

274031 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to John P, 3, #841 of 1526 🔗

This has got to be a nice little earner, why would they carry on like this if there was nothing in it for them, they know its a load of ****

274018 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 5, #842 of 1526 🔗

On the matter of spitting on people for not wearing a mask in public:

This action is attempted murder by Covid.

The question of what constitutes the reasonable and proportionate use of force in responsive self-defence will be decided in each case by the courts.

274108 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Stuart, 2, #843 of 1526 🔗

Clearly the courts will sentence non-maskers to death with no chance to appeal, effective immediately.

274171 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Stuart, 5, #844 of 1526 🔗

Anyone who spits on me will be physically incapable of spitting, and may indeed have trouble breathing, in the future.

I’ll take whatever consequences that entails.

274699 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, #845 of 1526 🔗

#metoo

274507 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Stuart, #846 of 1526 🔗

As opposed to actual murder by Covid when they sent the old people back to the care homes?

274019 Eddy, 3, #847 of 1526 🔗

The next step. Mark of the beast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f3hLy7nkRE

274020 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 28, #848 of 1526 🔗

The Imperial College “vaccine expert” interviewed by Andrew Marr (BBC) about the Astra Zeneca/Oxford vaccine glossed over the half dosing cock-up, failed to tell us it wouldn’t actually prevent anyone getting Covid and went totally off piste when he threw in the notion that it might make ‘long covid’ less severe. I guess he used his powers of clairvoyance to come up with that because it was outside the scope of the trial. Later Nicola Sturgeon wittered on about ‘asymptomatic transmission’, so obviously she hasn’t been updated on that. No pushback from Marr of course because he doesn’t understand the first thing about vaccines & viruses.

274032 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonathan Smith, 13, #849 of 1526 🔗

Also on that interview you could see some obvious editing of one of Openshaws replies. Could have been totally innocent but after that we’d had enough and my wife cancelled the TV license direct debit.

274095 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonny S., #850 of 1526 🔗

I didn’t notice any editing. Can you remember when it occurred?

274041 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Jonathan Smith, 10, #851 of 1526 🔗

so no forensic questioning from Marr? like most BBC journos he is a total waste of space and an embarrassment to the profession

274320 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to mjr, #852 of 1526 🔗

He may have received a smackdown. Early 2016 he did mini tours, roadshows, chatting all over the country, talking to regular people in shops, businesses, all over the place, about the [then impending] referendum and EU. Couple of months after the vote, I would guess this was sometime around Sep, Oct, he was a guest on a BBC show and was asked by the interviewer if he was surprised by the Leave result. Immediately Marr replied, Oh no, definitely not, “absolutely everybody” wanted out, though a few people wanted to stay in – those names inc. the very big business, billionaire tax exiles, and the like. The reaction of immediate fury from the interviewer, suggests Marr might have received a severe talking to afterwards… 🙂

274071 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Smith, 20, #853 of 1526 🔗

Imagine being asymptomatic and transmitting an asymptomatic infection to someone who becomes asymptomatically infected and who then passes it on to someone else who becomes asymptomatic – and meanwhile people are literally dying from cancelled medical treatment

274096 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Ben, 2, #854 of 1526 🔗

I know, pathetic isn’t it?

274164 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #855 of 1526 🔗

Not so much pathetic…as demonic. Stand Up!

274217 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #856 of 1526 🔗

No pushback from Marr of course because he doesn’t understand the first thing about vaccines & viruses.”

Neither did I until recently, but I have read on up them. Something that a prominent, highly paid and experienced journalist would do if they were actually interested in journalism and not self glorification. What a wanker that man is.

274025 Staincliffe, replying to Staincliffe, 13, #857 of 1526 🔗

Just relaying an observation on police tactics made by James Delingpole on the radio this morning. He was saying that the snatch squads deliberately target women demonstrators to provoke a response from the men in the group who they can then arrest for violence. Can anyone confirm this?

274033 ▶▶ Ryan, replying to Staincliffe, 3, #858 of 1526 🔗

No. Not what I saw.

274053 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Staincliffe, 9, #859 of 1526 🔗

I have often seen this. Also they go in with completely disproportionate force and numbers – remember people are being pinned to the ground, handcuffed and kept in custody for up to 24 hours for marching which is essentially the same as 1,000s of others were doing completely un harassed along Oxford Street yesterday. Very sinister and all about intimidation.

274084 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Staincliffe, 4, #860 of 1526 🔗

That seems very well based on social psychology.

The instinct is to protect the women of the tribe from outsiders.

If a man cannot do that or is not ready to do that, then he feels instinctively emasculated.

274153 ▶▶ Watt, replying to Staincliffe, 5, #861 of 1526 🔗

I did see two women being wrestled to the ground to be arrested. The Met police are being trained by IDF brutes,the same ones who target Palestinian children with their snipers. We have IDF proxy demons on the streets of London.

274028 Paul, replying to Paul, 41, #862 of 1526 🔗

Anyone else having yet another horrible day ?,I am,tempers are staring to fray here unfortunately,I’ve just had a fall-out with my daughter,non-covid related reason,the strain really starting to show.
I’m also worried and frustrated in equal measure about one of our friends today.After initial worry in March because of his age and medical conditions he became a full sceptic over the summer but since September he has increasingly become a member of the covid cult.His wife is pretty much sceptical and utterly pissed off with the whole thing and just craves normality but has to go along with him to keep the peace.
He’s told me today that they are pretty much isolating and won’t even be seeing their children over christmas.I know from speaking to his wife that this is not really what she wants but is she is in an awkward position.I suppose this is the sort of divide and conquer psychological abuse the government is using against us.
We are in an area about to go into tier 3 despite always having low ‘case’ numbers that are still falling and I have tried to convince him he is being overly fearful but the msm seems to have cast it’s evil spell on him.
I am very despondent and very,VERY angry now

274038 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul, 11, #863 of 1526 🔗

Understood that he has a reason (i.e. age, co-morbidities) to be this scared.

However, if he was my friend, I’d give the selfish bastard a slap, and remind him priorities in life should be his wife and children.

274043 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Ceriain, 9, #864 of 1526 🔗

That’s what I have tried to get across to him today,without the slap bit !,I think I will have to leave it alone today and try again tomorrow,I’m just getting too angry.

274069 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul, 7, #865 of 1526 🔗

without the slap bit

Yeah, I know; sorry, that’s just me. 😉

Lots of sympathy for you, Paul; and for his family, of course.

274042 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Paul, 7, #866 of 1526 🔗

Yes Paul, every day is a horrible day now. I try and shut myself off from it all for my sanity, but something will usually rear its head to remind me of the horror we are living. I hope you make it up with your daughter, the stress we are under is bound to cause tempers to flare. The tiers are such a farce and I’m amazed at people who can’t see that we are being played. We are going into a higher tier than before, so the lockdown obviously did its job then!.

274046 ▶▶ steph, replying to Paul, 10, #867 of 1526 🔗

Yes I sympathise. Today is a terrible day for me. I want to escape from my own head, I’m so miserable and pessimistic.
Your friend is an idiot but there’s plenty to go round. You may want to be conciliatory because project Fear is very strong. Ask yourself do you still want him as a friend after all this subsides and act accordingly.

274051 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to steph, 9, #868 of 1526 🔗

Yes,I have no intention of losing him as a friend,he’s a good chap !.I am very worried that the false fear is making him ill not any virus,in every other thing in life he has common sense and reason but with covid he is irrational.I will give all my support and try to help him and his wife,we can’t let the bastards in government destroy strong friendships as well as lives.

274049 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Paul, 12, #869 of 1526 🔗

Paul, my view is that it is your friend’s wife you need to support. She is the only one who will be able to make him (eventually) see sense. To do that, she needs to be empowered to do her own thing – unless she does this now, she will be constantly pandering to him. I should say, this sounds like the relationship between my F-i-L and M-i-L. My M-i-L never broke free from him, and we do not see either of them because he would not let her see us and our boys.

274220 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, #870 of 1526 🔗

You can’t answer for his folly nor, sadly, for his wife’s dilemma. Just stay strong yourself.

274066 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 16, #872 of 1526 🔗

I’d rather live like human being and risk catching a cold. Governments have no right impinging on bodily autonomy

274206 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #873 of 1526 🔗

Isn’t the evidence that coronavirus is airborne?

274036 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 21, #874 of 1526 🔗

So are we paying the price for a chronically understaffed, underpaid and fully paid up common purpose indoctrinated police force, NHS and civil service.

Saving the NHS from itself?

Bit of a pickle they have got themselves and us into!

274048 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, 16, #875 of 1526 🔗

I would say the whole Covid thing has exposed the NHS for the highly inefficient organisation that it is; something so many of us have know for years.

Problem is: just can’t get enough people to see it; even though these are the same people who for years have been complaining about wait times for appointments, operations, etc .

274057 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ceriain, 9, #876 of 1526 🔗

This is often repeated but never gets tired “it’s the envy of the world. So good that no other country has copied it”

274079 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steph, 8, #877 of 1526 🔗

That and ‘the special relationship’
‘Diversity is our strength’ are 2 more falsehood that are continually repeated without thinking

274106 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #878 of 1526 🔗

Diversity + proximity = war

274182 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to steph, 6, #879 of 1526 🔗

Nigel Lawson said that the NHS is now Britain’s national religion, a sacred cow that is immune from questioning or criticism. Hence scandals like Mid Staffordshire or Alderhay are covered up and whistle-blowers are punished

The clap for carers was something I found a sickening reminder of the communism of my childhood. And I find the slogan protect the NHS repulsive, Health systems are meant to protect a country’s residents – not the other way round

Foreigners find this NHS worship utterly baffling – particularly as it is not supported by the performance statistics

Sacred cows cannot change or evolve to meet new needs and circumstances – this sacred cow has been found very wanting

274202 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #880 of 1526 🔗

Hitchens pointed out the other day how the NHS is advertising itself, paid for with our money. Why would a publicly funded service need slickly produced spin to bolster its image? For whose benefit?

274455 ▶▶▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #881 of 1526 🔗

I kid you not. On the canal over bridge at the entrance to an historic west Lothian town, a homemade sign: ‘ThankGod for the NHS’ . Thank god I managed to not brake and swerve.*No offence to God(s) intended.

274070 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Ceriain, 3, #882 of 1526 🔗

Remember last year, just before the election? Boris and his allies were caught out a couple of times by “plants”-the angry father at Whipps Cross hospital and the boy on the floor photo in Leeds. All the fault of the Tories of course!

Maybe Boris still has nightmares about those moments and this is what panicked him in his decision making(or lack of)

274098 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Margaret, 4, #883 of 1526 🔗

All politicians are scared of the NHS. Then Boris had his brush with death and whatever little reason he had left was swept away in blind panic.
I think long Covid is real in the same way that some people have lingering tiredness and other symptoms after other viral illnesses. I think he’s not physically or mentally the man he was before and even before he was not up to the job.
I apologise profusely for having voted for him, a mistake I will never make again nor will I vote for any Conservative ever again.
I’m also a graduate of Imperial College so you may all want to stop talking to me now for those 2 unforgivable sins.

274133 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to steph, 6, #884 of 1526 🔗

Steph
The Imperial College of today is, I suspect , a long way from that of yesteryear . One afternoon in the ’60s in the basement of the old Chemistry building an analytical class was suddenly told to stop working and gather around the lecturer. Then in a scene reminiscent of a battlefield court martial
one student was called to the front , told that he had been detected cheating by gathering the results from others and , without going through the elaborate analysis , simply worked back , putting in fake figures. He was stripped of his white coat , banished from the lab for the rest of the term and subsequently disappeared permanently .
Ever afterwards, in the course of a long and totally undistinguished scientific career, i was tempted to fake results for temporary advancement, that scene would come to mind and for sheer fear of consequences would resist the temptation.
Would anything like that happen today at any of our universities?

274156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Salopian, replying to mikewaite, 7, #885 of 1526 🔗

He has returned and is now working for SAGE

274497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mikewaite, #886 of 1526 🔗

Never realised Ferguson was old enough to have been there in the 1960s.

274142 ▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to steph, 2, #887 of 1526 🔗

Certainly not Steph! I apologise for voting for him too!

274189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to steph, 5, #888 of 1526 🔗

I am also an Imperial Graduate – the current mob have brought nothing but shame on my alma mater,

When I was a child in Russia my aunt (a scientist) told me about Trofim Lysenko , who utterly corrupted Soviet biology when his crackpot theories were taken up by Stalin. Anyone disagreeing with Lysenko went to the Gulag – I am seeing similar things in some aspects of western science

There is no such thing as “The Science” in the shape of a religious dogma, there are theories which need to be tested and if demonstrated accepted until new ideas come along to disprove them

274468 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steph, #889 of 1526 🔗

Do you really believe dePiffle had a brush with death?

274148 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 1, #890 of 1526 🔗

More that we’re suffering from 10 years of the inherent incompetence of the Tory Party – the protector of the real vested interest and traditional British delusions.

274160 ▶▶▶▶ Simon, replying to RickH, 2, #891 of 1526 🔗

Didn’t the Mail on Sunday publish headlines for the last 20 years of NHS overwhelmed etc. All political parties are the same on the NHS. Tony BLiar said that we had 24 hours to save the NHS back in 1996. Guess he didn’t do it either and they had about 10 years also.

But the NHS itself is a bureaucracy and is a failure. Take away the NHS and we still have hospitals, doctors surgeries, A&E….

The root of the problem may not be with polititians but buried deep in the layers of the civil service.

274058 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to stefarm, 5, #892 of 1526 🔗

Underfunded? They can afford billions in quangos

274074 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Tom Blackburn, #894 of 1526 🔗

So what are former hospital porters doing in Norway? Are they all “working in cyber”?

274087 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #895 of 1526 🔗

How do the machines push the buttons in the lift? 😉

274037 R. Rushton, replying to R. Rushton, 25, #896 of 1526 🔗

Some MPs say they want a cost-benefit analysis. A very simple one can be done from published stats. Coronavirus has so far cost UK £280,000,000,000 (or £4,000 for every man, woman and child in UK). There have so far been 215,000 coronavirus patients hospitalised. If we assume all these lives have been saved it works out at £1,300,000 per life saved. And given that average age of death from coronavirus is virtually identical to life expectancy anyway, these lives have been saved for probably a few months, or a year or so at most. But of course on top of this gigantic monetary cost is also the loss of jobs, livelihoods, freedom of movement and expression, and the continuous scaremongering.

274088 ▶▶ Liam, replying to R. Rushton, 9, #897 of 1526 🔗

Not to mention driving us all into a black pit of despair and insanity.

274199 ▶▶ Julian, replying to R. Rushton, 4, #898 of 1526 🔗

The equation is so utterly unbalanced you could do it on the back of an envelope and it would be obvious what the answer is. No real need for anything fancy.

And that’s without factoring in a price for an entire country losing a year or more of normal life – I’d put that at a trillion or more, or priceless probably.

274047 Brian D, replying to Brian D, 1, #899 of 1526 🔗

Cabinet minister insisting 2+2=5

10:45 onwards

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eIaunRpESLg

274064 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Brian D, 1, #900 of 1526 🔗

But again and again there comes a time in history when the man who dares to say that two and two make four is punished with death. The schoolteacher is well aware of this. And the question is not one of knowing what punishment or reward attends the making of this calculation. The question is one of knowing whether two and two do make four

274065 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Brian D, 1, #901 of 1526 🔗

See he tries the Cathy Newman strategy when he can’t give a truthful answer, or proper reply: “So what you’re saying is…”

274425 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Brian D, #902 of 1526 🔗

No wonder she felt like banging her head on the table.

I bet Jenrik was relieved when it finished. How can he attempt to uphold such a blatant pack of lies? What a patsy!

274054 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 38, #903 of 1526 🔗

I keep coming back to this thought of Boris & Matt Hancock managing to FIND 360 BILLION Pounds down the back of the proverbial sofa this year.

Was that money always there & available?

My Dad died of cancer a couple of years ago.

The cancer charities are chuffed to bits when they raise a MILLION Pounds and so am I. But… if that money was available before but our government chose not to use it for research and treatments does that mean they chose to let my Dad die because they didn’t want to spend the money.

None of us know ANYBODY who has had covid but we all know somebody who has had cancer (or heart disease, or dementia, etc.).

Can you imagine what the effect would be if 360 BILLION Pounds was spent on some of these really prolific illnesses, instead of this super rare but hysterial covid?

Arnie.

274063 ▶▶ steph, replying to Arnie, 9, #904 of 1526 🔗

Some of us do know people who have had it. BUT I concur that it is not worth what has been spent on it. Other diseases are much more serious and deserve the investment. Is it 1 in 3 of us now who will have cancer of one type or another in our lifetimes or 1 in 2?

274068 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, 4, #905 of 1526 🔗

The risk is 1 in 2, but that is a result of longer life expectancy, as age is the major risk factor for cancer.

274415 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #906 of 1526 🔗

and covid!

274099 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Arnie, 6, #907 of 1526 🔗

360 billion would, I suspect, gone a long way towards a massive reduction in both Cancer and Heart related early deaths.

As would probably no Austerity for a decade.

As would a health care system that was not catering for close to 80-90 million people as opposed to catering for the 40-50 million it was designed for.

So much of this is down to poor preparation and terrible investment.

Serious question, what would you rather get ? Cancer or Covid ?

274192 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Arnie, #908 of 1526 🔗

The argument about how the money could have been better spent is a very powerful one and hard for anyone to disagree with

274055 chrissie, replying to chrissie, 14, #909 of 1526 🔗

I have just listened to a speech of one of the main lockdownsceptics in Germany, Frank Ludwig, lawyer of the “Querdenker”. He said the much disputed new “Infection protection law” (dissed as “Emächtigungsgesetz” by the sceptics), is actually really good for the sceptics. Because it defines a “pathogen” as a virus which replicates, and causes illness. This is definitely not proven by PCR tests. Meaning all measures in Germany are definitely illegal. Studies have shown that only below 35 ct cycles there can be replicable virus. And only up to 10% of all tests in Germany are below ct 35.

274059 ▶▶ calchas, replying to chrissie, 2, #910 of 1526 🔗

Just a little correction if I may.I think you mean ‘Ralf Ludwig’.

274092 ▶▶▶ chrissie, replying to calchas, 1, #911 of 1526 🔗

Yes, thank you!!

274060 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chrissie, 1, #912 of 1526 🔗

They could just get rid of the law

274062 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chrissie, 7, #913 of 1526 🔗

Viruses do not reproduce. They are not alive. The ability to reproduce is a function of life forms.

274073 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #914 of 1526 🔗

Perhaps more correct to say that they replicate by taking over the machinery of human cells, where they find everything they need.

Just as politicians so not create wealth themselves, but position themselves at critical nodes of human society, subverting the cells of the economy, from where they can commandeer the resources they need.

274078 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 1, #915 of 1526 🔗

It is correct to say that when a virus infects the cell of a living organism its genetic material is reproduced by the DNA of the organism.

However, I was responding to the claim that the law defines the pathogen as a virus that replicates – viruses do not.

274075 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #916 of 1526 🔗

Indeed. Viruses fail most of the tests we learn in early Biology classes that define living organisms.
They are just bits of nucleic acid inside protein coats that can high jack hosts’ cells to get them to make more copies.
To hear some of our “leaders” speak you’d think they were sentient beings. – the viruses not the leaders, we know they can’t reason.

274085 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, 11, #917 of 1526 🔗

The other day Mark Drakeford, Wales most senior politician claimed that the virus is cruel, ie takes pleasure in inflicting suffering – and he claimed he got this from SAGE.

274091 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #918 of 1526 🔗

If I wasn’t in such a foul mood today, I’d laugh until my sides split. What a prize idiot.

274093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, 8, #919 of 1526 🔗

In the same speech (announcing Wales new lockdown because the last one worked so well), he claimed that the virus “thrives on normal human behaviour” which is why he has to restrict it.

274109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #920 of 1526 🔗

the virus “thrives on normal human behaviour”
Jenric “The Prick” said that to JHB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIaunRpESLg&app=desktop
It must be in the briefing, stick to the script….What a fool.

274149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #921 of 1526 🔗

Boris used exactly the same phrase.
I wonder where you get hold of one of these scripts.

274237 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #922 of 1526 🔗

Like build back better?

274404 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #923 of 1526 🔗

Nudge Unit

274488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #924 of 1526 🔗

Sounds like one from SAGE.

274177 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #925 of 1526 🔗

So do “deadly” ticks – but I haven’t yet (emphasis on yet) heard of any proposal from government to ban walks in the country or make the wearing of Wellington boots compulsory for the whole population.

274103 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to steph, 2, #926 of 1526 🔗

The way our Soviet leaders and media speak about Beer Flu clearly demonstrates it is far more advanced than any AI.

274139 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to steph, 2, #927 of 1526 🔗

Seems strange Witless and Vacant can’t have even done “O” Level Biology doesn’t it? (Yeah – I’m old I know!…”O” Levels!) – they do say you get jobs with poorer qualifications now…..but even so, who knew?….

274500 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to steph, #928 of 1526 🔗

Not entirely correct. Scientific opinion is still divided on the question of whether viruses are “alive”.

274499 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, #929 of 1526 🔗

The matter of whether viruses is alive is open to debate. Scientific opinion is divided on the issue.

Reproduction strategy is in any event irrelevant.

274112 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to chrissie, 1, #930 of 1526 🔗

I am deeply pleased.

274114 ▶▶ chrissie, replying to chrissie, 3, #931 of 1526 🔗

I just read an analysis by the (well-hated) German Virus-pope Prof. Drosten on the website of the RKI (the German CDC, that drives all this madness). He says the cutoff should be ct=30.
And nobody cares, and they use the 90% PCR-Tests with more than 30 ct cycles, to keep up the “pandemic”.

274118 ▶▶▶ chrissie, replying to chrissie, 5, #932 of 1526 🔗

And Prof. Drosten says “only people with symptoms should be tested”. Which is also ignored by our wannabe Churchills.

274143 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to chrissie, 5, #933 of 1526 🔗

“only people with symptoms should be tested”

Wow how radical! Oh wait….seem to remember that’s what people did in the “olden” days………you know, when they had that funny “common sense” thing…

274124 ▶▶ watashi, replying to chrissie, 1, #934 of 1526 🔗

would you share where you found the speech? I’d like to listen too

274102 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to chris, 3, #936 of 1526 🔗

Heh, in the US Big Pharma is 100% indemnified against legal action over vax side effects.

274169 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to awildgoose, 4, #937 of 1526 🔗

And in the UK.

274179 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to OKUK, 3, #938 of 1526 🔗

And everywhere else, no doubt. This Big Pharma cartel makes the Sinaloa mob look like amateur babes in the wood.

274397 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 1, #939 of 1526 🔗

Which is UNPRECEDENTED

274168 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chris, 1, #940 of 1526 🔗

That will be one of those illegitimate concerns concerning vaccines that the BBC’s Assininity Correspondent, Marianna Spring, was warning us about. The BBC think people should be locked up for discussing such things, unless of course they are BBC paid lackeys in which case they are perfectly free to discuss them!

274086 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #941 of 1526 🔗

The Rapists Dad, Sadist in Chief, Confiscator of Children’s Winter Clothes and all round spanner is at it again

He has got the police to program their ANPR to target only English registered vehicles entering the City of Cardiff

The bastards were delivering Christmas presents, anyway they we given a fine and sent back to England

Most probably a breach of the Race Relations Act, but who cares these days

We are all criminals now

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-coronavirus-shopping-police-fine-19364987

274203 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #942 of 1526 🔗

The rapist raped a woman.
His dad has raped a nation.
Like son, like father.

274094 Infinite Ecologist, replying to Infinite Ecologist, 9, #943 of 1526 🔗

The news of the Open Letter to the government by David Anderson, David Grimes, Parag Singhal and Chris Williams, imploring the its ‘Health’ lackies and minions to start issuing large doses of Vitamin D to the elderly and the vulnerable, is long overdue. This is absolutely the most important single action that the government and PHE should have taken to strengthen the background resistance to respiratory infections amoing the elderly and BAME communities.
But not just now – this has been recommended for several years by vitamin D resarch specialists and others, and was repeated right from the start of this pandemic. And it has been not simply ignored – Health Supremo Hancock actually invented a mythical ‘clinical trial’ that he claimed proved that D supplementation doesn’t work – only to have to admit later he made it up!
Yesterday PHE appeared to have reluctantly conceded defeat, and blandly conced that we oldies are to be awarded free D pills to keep us safe during the winter. But as always, there’s a hidden catch. Yes, we’re going to get as much as 400 IU of vitamin D a day, and free at that. So,for the record – that’s actuall only HALF of the amount they have been telling us we need before this pandemic arrived!
WHO has long been concerned at this pandemic – no, not Covid, but the pandemic of vitamin D deficiency, worldwide. Now we have Covid19, and are treateing it as purely a medicinal problem – vaccines and novel chemical interventions to try to prevent our bodies killing us. But it’s not the virus that is killing us, but our own immune systems running wild because there’s not enough D to regulate them properly.
The Medical – and especially the Public Health sectors – have lost sight of the simple fact that many of the fatalities are the consequence of D deficiency. I wrote about this several weeks ago ( https://bit.ly/3aODynz ) , perhaps now someone will take up our concern over this Institutional malfeasance by PHE and its cronies, and force them to toe the line or get out and let real experts improve public health in ways that really are aimed at strengthening the health of the public.

274122 ▶▶ Will, replying to Infinite Ecologist, 9, #944 of 1526 🔗

To what extent do you think that our current obsession with skin cancer/ sun block could be precipitating the vitamin D deficiency?

274157 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Will, 3, #945 of 1526 🔗

A lot!

274210 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Will, 4, #946 of 1526 🔗

Quite a bit I think. I’ve read that the sunscreen blocks out the rays we need for Vitamin D, not to mention the rate of skin cancer hasn’t really budged since people started slathering the stuff on. Kind of like mask wearing — “they” blame the user for not wearing it consistently or applying it properly rather than asking whether the product itself is the problem and doesn’t do what it’s purported to do.

People in the northern hemisphere should be mega dosing with Vitamin D3 — I take 8,000 iu per day of a spray (better absorbed) along with K2. 400, or even the RDA of 1,000 iu, is completely inadequate. I’ve had my blood levels checked in the past and I need at least 8,000 iu in the winter just to get me to a normal level.

274233 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, -2, #947 of 1526 🔗

8,000? Good grief surely that’s far too much. I’m taking the recommended 1000iu per day.

274246 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #948 of 1526 🔗

It’s not, believe me. The only way you can know for sure if your Vit D levels are high enough is to get a blood draw and check. I’ve had quite a few checks and 1,000 wouldn’t cut it for me. Even here, in the land of socialized medicine, I’ve had to pay out-of-pocket for the test as it’s not standard. So I reckon most people have no idea how Vit D deficient they are when they don’t have access to sunlight. Around 10 minutes in the sun without sunscreen confers 10,000 iu of Vitamin D if you’re fair skinned, so taking 8,000 iu a day is not problematic. In the nice weather I just spend 20 or so minutes in the sun because I have a darker complexion and then don’t bother to supplement.

274321 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #949 of 1526 🔗

Most cosmetics now have a mild sunscreen included.
This is actually not very good, as it prevents you from making VitD.

274154 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Infinite Ecologist, #950 of 1526 🔗

PHE is a criminally irresponsible organisation, having told people in Salisbury their health was not at risk from the Novochik attack and also telling people back in March there were only two symptoms that indicated presence of Covid (that deficient advice helped Covid spread like wildfire).

274392 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Infinite Ecologist, 1, #951 of 1526 🔗

The RDA is laughable. I suspect they’ve prescribed a tiny dose, knowing it will make no difference.
We had such an overcast summer in my neck of the woods that I’m taking 8,000 IU.

274529 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, #952 of 1526 🔗

Yes – a sceptic nutritionist I am in contact with says to take at 5000iu Vit D (&K2 to aid absorption), 3 x 1000mg Vit C & Zinc.
Much higher doses than the recommended ones on the tub even.

274097 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 28, #953 of 1526 🔗

“We are so nearly out of our captivity. We can see the sunlit upland pastures ahead. But if we try to jump the fence now, we will tangle ourselves in the last barbed wire”.

The only things tangled are the Dear Leader’s brain and his metaphors.
Churchillian? My arse!

274101 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to PhilipF, 17, #954 of 1526 🔗

I have long thought Boris more of a Poundland Hitler than a Poundland Churchill.

274111 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Stuart, 2, #955 of 1526 🔗

More of an iChurchill

274104 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PhilipF, 12, #956 of 1526 🔗

the first world war metaphors are appropriate . Bozo has all the leadership qualities of General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett from Blackadder 4. Let’s repeat the pointless and catastrophic attack of last week because it is the last thing the bosche will expect.
As Bozo is a classicist he should also be well aware of Pyrrhus

274113 ▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to mjr, 11, #957 of 1526 🔗

Or….Peter Cook’s RAF officer in Beyound The Fringe”….

“I want you to lay down your life, Perkins. We need a futile gesture at this stage. It will raise the whole tone of the war. Get up in a crate Perkins, pop over to Bremen, take a shufti, don’t come back. Goodbye Perkins. God, I wish I was going too.”

274126 ▶▶▶ Peter Walker, replying to mjr, 2, #958 of 1526 🔗

Absolutely brilliant! Melchett definitely….please all spread the word….

274417 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mjr, #959 of 1526 🔗

“What’s this, Darling?”

“It’s the land we captured this morning, Sir.”

“Jolly good, what scale is it?”

“Er, one to one, Sir.”

274123 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PhilipF, 9, #960 of 1526 🔗

Ah yes, those sunlit upland pastures of mass unemployment and debt…

274128 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #961 of 1526 🔗

…where you don’t own anything, and you are happy…

274131 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Alice, 2, #962 of 1526 🔗

..and you are happy…not.

274150 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #963 of 1526 🔗

Those sunlit uplands where the wolves prey upon the sheep…

274227 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to PhilipF, 1, #964 of 1526 🔗

Absolutely shaking with rage here, worryingly so. Needed to vent so here I am again.

No fan of Churchill myself, always agreed with the picture of him as seen through the Revisionist’s lens as an obese, drunken, warmongering bigot who needlessly sent hundreds of thousands of people to their deaths.

So, Churchill does have some characteristics in common with Yeltsin. Even so, Yeltsin isn’t fit to lick Churchill’s boots.

I do wish people would stop affectionately calling him “B*r*s”.

Yeltsin’s name is NOT “B*r*s”. His name is Alexander B*r*s Kemal De Pfeffle Johnson. He isn’t even British, strictly speaking. He’s an alien, born about 2000 miles away in the largest city of the foreign nation which he so slavishly and shamelessly serves.

Sick to the back teeth of him, and all his hangers-on. His so-called “government” of ninnies, sinister wet nurses, perverts, Orwellian greasy pole climbers, petty “Little Englander” racists and utter lunatics who still seem to be living in the 18th century have ruined my life (or, at the very least, stole at least 14 months of it…. and counting!).

I wish nothing more to the evil, scruffy, bloated prick, his whore “girlfriend” and their immediate families than misery, long painful illness and … more besides.

God, how I wish he’d have snuffed it when he was (allegedly) hospitalised.

Not a very nice side of my personality to discover admittedly, but it’s what oppression does to you, I suppose.

I expect the inmates of Sobibor didn’t care too much for the welfare of their camp kapos or Kommandants, either.

At least the inmates of Sobibor eventually grew some balls. If you know what I mean – and I think you do.

274411 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PhilipF, #965 of 1526 🔗

Bungle from Rainbow, only less intelligent.

274100 John, replying to John, 21, #966 of 1526 🔗

Who would have thought the ultimate act of dissension against tyranny would be a drunken game of Twister on Xmas afternoon?

274130 ▶▶ dhid, replying to John, 7, #967 of 1526 🔗

Oooh – not with my dodgy shoulder! Unfortunately it’ll have to be Monopoly (which I hate) with well licked fingers to count the cash!

274730 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to John, #968 of 1526 🔗

Hahaha!! x

274115 John Pearce, replying to John Pearce, 25, #969 of 1526 🔗

HI Lockdown Sceptics,

Love your work!

Treason , sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one’s country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one’s government.

We should stop further dithering on this issue.

The evidence is there that the government manipulated and controlled the the narrative (on modelling, not science, allegedly paid for by the Bill Gates Foundation). The only beneficiary (The Enemy) is Big Pharma and those with interests in it, the collaborators are Whitty, Vallance, Hancock and Boris Johnson, the Beeb is implicated, but only because it was gagged by Offcom. The damage or “Impairment” to the State is evident. The charge therefore, is Treason. When do we start the action?

John Pearce.

274132 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John Pearce, 7, #970 of 1526 🔗

Agree John. Have said from the start there needs to be a subpoena of certain named individuals’ email, phone and text traffic from around 23 January 2020, including certain journal editors, politicians, civil servants, government advisers (SPADs) and scientific advisers.

274155 ▶▶▶ John Pearce, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #971 of 1526 🔗

Hi Tyneside Tigress,

Thanks.

That stuff should certainly happen. In the meantime I think our own “Project Fear” may play a useful part. As opposed to suing the govt as whole, make it personal to each of the culprits. We are coming for YOU. You may then blame it on your superiors. Try that in court. We are not wasting time and money in legal action against a whole government. We are coming for YOU. Save your skin if you can.

The Tory rebels are on side on this one, with some notable outpourings of rage over the issues. They are doing a far better job of opposition than Labour, who seem to have forgotten their mandate to “Oppose”. As for Jo “gag social media” Stevens, i need say no more. I find Ivor Cummins and Lord Sumption, Peter Hitches et al, much more agreeable and certainly less hysterical.

I’ll be taking some legal advice this coming week and keeping you posted.

Enjoy your evening!

John.

274170 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John Pearce, #972 of 1526 🔗

“When do we start the action?”

Seems that slaves are afraid of ACTION!

274176 ▶▶▶ John Pearce, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #973 of 1526 🔗

Hi Voz,

I’m not! And I think I can argue rather more convincingly than any like Whitty, Vallance & Co.

274173 ▶▶ Watt, replying to John Pearce, 4, #974 of 1526 🔗

Plenty action around the country only yesterday. Off the knees and…StandUP X! Get out and shout with the human survivors. Window is closing!

274181 ▶▶▶ John Pearce, replying to Watt, 4, #975 of 1526 🔗

Hi Watt,

Windows can be opened. Who out there wants to advise and join a fighting fund?

274405 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John Pearce, #976 of 1526 🔗

Fighting fund sounds good.

nickandyrose@yahoo.co.uk

274116 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 30, #977 of 1526 🔗

We must never ever forget what these bastards have done

We must hunt them down, no mercy, no quarter, hunt every last one of them down

Hunt them down as a message to this generation and future generations

What kind of people do they think we are? Is it possible they do not realise that we shall never cease to persevere against them until they have been taught a lesson which they and the world will never forget?

Winston Churchill

Hunt them down

274121 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 8, #978 of 1526 🔗

I appreciate your sentiments but I forget what I came down the stairs for these days before I reach the bottom.

274183 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 5, #979 of 1526 🔗

I wouldn’t get too carried away. The majority are probably on their side – by simple complicity, if not active involvement.

274119 Two-Six, 4, #980 of 1526 🔗

Live at 5:00 The Sunday Wire, With American Patrick from out of of off The UKColumn
https://www.alternatecurrentradio.com/
Well worth listening to in full

274125 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 8, #981 of 1526 🔗

Found this earlier, seems they can do, more or less anything they want under the guise of Public health… ‘Protesting is legal in England and Wales, the right to protest is protected under the European Convention of Human Rights . … It must be noted that this right is not absolute and can be limited in certain circumstances. An example of this is when a protest or assembly would result in a threat to public health’….Brilliantly evil.

274162 ▶▶ Edward, replying to yohodi, 6, #982 of 1526 🔗

But that threat should be supported by strong evidence, not merely asserted by the authorities.

274127 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 8, #983 of 1526 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-another-12-155-cases-and-215-deaths-12146101 -Government spin will be lockdown and face nappies working -but us free thinkers will put it down to the natural wane of all pandemics. Is there any way of proving either way?

274129 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to arfurmo, 10, #984 of 1526 🔗

Get rid of all the anti covid bullshit right now and see what happens?

274145 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 23, #985 of 1526 🔗

Belarus, Brazil, Japan and Sweden – we were told they were all heading for huge mass fatalities and societal breakdown because they didn’t impose lockdowns. Didn’t happen. I think all have done better than the UK, without bringing their economies and all the rest of their lives to a grinding halt. That’s good enough for me. And remember all the billions spent on furlough can be can be ploughed into shielding the vulnerable and supporting effective infection control in hospitals and care homes. ,

274245 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to OKUK, 6, #986 of 1526 🔗

This is a point I always try to make. We are continually told that if we don’t go along with this the apocalypse will be upon us, but no one can actually point to a nation where this scenario has taken place. In fact, the most severely affected nations are those with strict lockdowns (Belgium, Peru) and those who did little or nothing have no more deaths than anywhere else.

274368 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #987 of 1526 🔗

If you control the spin machine, you can prove whatever you like.

274140 ▶▶ DRW, replying to arfurmo, 4, #988 of 1526 🔗

Any LD effects would happen after two weeks. 7 day average positive tests by specimen date peaked after five days and have only declined since.

274136 Jackie Jackson, replying to Jackie Jackson, 29, #989 of 1526 🔗

The people that the police brutally arrested are the same people that mend their cars, cut their hair, fix their plumbing/ electrical problems, repair their roofs etc, so if you have a trade ask potential clients if they are police and if so Say No, refuse to work for them. #BoycottTHEBILL

274165 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jackie Jackson, #990 of 1526 🔗

That probably won’t work just cause of MISERY!

Better to play with their assets…

274214 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jackie Jackson, 2, #991 of 1526 🔗

That’s an excellent idea. Boycott all police who are clients.

274311 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Jackie Jackson, #992 of 1526 🔗

I live by the rule of never complaining before a meal.The old bill might need good cover before dining out.

274137 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 17, #993 of 1526 🔗

From Anna Brees:

EXCLUSIVE An Imperial College London Professor says this is no longer about a virus, that there is no evidence to support the lockdown measures.

He urges other professionals to speak out urgently if they have a contribution to make. Professor Robert Endres, originally from Nuremberg also talks to me about how the German response compares to the UK in terms of media reporting, and protests. Along with lessons we need to learn from history.

Dr. Robert Endres leads the biological physics group with its strength in the quantitative understanding of sensing and signalling, and the physics of life network. He also designed and introduced the Masters programme in systems and synthetic biology, and is highly involved in training undergraduate students in systems biology.

https://vimeo.com/484488794

http://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/r.endres

274138 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #994 of 1526 🔗

Interesting interview, wonder if he’ll get a reprimand from work.

274200 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #995 of 1526 🔗

Originally from Nuremberg?
Very apt.

274375 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, #996 of 1526 🔗

Hopefully prophetic…

274396 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #997 of 1526 🔗

Still don’t trust her

274146 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 40, #998 of 1526 🔗

Apt.

274151 ▶▶ Tom Malcolmson, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #999 of 1526 🔗

There is also a woman who should be added to that last.
The problem is that people south of the border don’t recognise this.

274163 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Malcolmson, 10, #1000 of 1526 🔗

Let’s make it simple… ALL politicians and ALL “experts” advising the politicians should just be recycled…

274362 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Voz 0db, #1001 of 1526 🔗

The pigs would enjoy a bit of decent protein for a change.

274167 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Malcolmson, 6, #1002 of 1526 🔗

Indeed there is. And another chap in Wales. One step at a time though…

274161 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Nick Rose, #1003 of 1526 🔗

Deploy the Jedburgh’s action

274196 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1004 of 1526 🔗

What a repulsive line-up.

274372 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, #1005 of 1526 🔗

A right rogues’ gallery.

274152 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 29, #1006 of 1526 🔗

We can’t blow it now. We can’t just throw it all away – not when freedom is in sight. We have worked too hard, lost too many, sacrificed too much, just to see our efforts incinerated in another volcanic eruption of the virus.

Sunken cost fallacy.

274159 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #1007 of 1526 🔗

Almost shit myself with laughter after reading that nonsense!

274186 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #1008 of 1526 🔗

Yes, I don’t suppose he really means a word of it but if he does it shows he is utterly unfit for the office he holds, or for any other leadership role.

274360 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #1009 of 1526 🔗

Coming out with such a load of hyperbolic, disengenuous bollox shows he’s unfit for the office he holds.
What more do you need?

274282 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #1010 of 1526 🔗

we are so close I can smell it in the air. Can you smell it?

274371 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to crimsonpirate, #1011 of 1526 🔗

Definitely a whiff of something in the air…

274722 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #1012 of 1526 🔗

I wonder who writes his speeches?

274158 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #1013 of 1526 🔗

This is just another example of why the SRF & Billionaires WILL have great success with OPERATION “The Great Rest” (commonly known as “The Great Reset”)

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274304 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1014 of 1526 🔗

They will get tested 3 times during a 12h flight. I really do not believe that your status will change within that time period. What a waste of money spent on tests!

274174 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 21, #1016 of 1526 🔗

Oh dear the poor old NHS, no wonder we have to all be shackled in misery, the NHS dashboard announced today that the total number of ‘covid’ patients in English NHS Hospitals has fallen again; down to 12291 today, that means that in the last 6 days the number of English hospital ‘covid patients has fallen by 11% down from a high of 13,767 to today’s figure.
So clearly overwhelmed!!!!!!!! I expect Matt Hancock forgot to tell someone to fiddle the figures and it will go up again tomorrow but for now the figures do give a hollow ring to all the hysterical doom mongering.

274184 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1017 of 1526 🔗

Doesn’t that just mean the lockdown worked brilliantly???

274231 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1018 of 1526 🔗

I was being sarcastic FFS!

274238 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1019 of 1526 🔗

Doubtless they will suggest that is the reason but on Tuesday our MPs have to vote on the next lot of lockdown regulations, these start with the opening justification;
These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARSCoV-2) in England.

To my mind anyone who votes for that wording when the figures are falling is committing an iniquitous and deceitful act against the people.

274414 ▶▶ rose, replying to Steve Martindale, #1020 of 1526 🔗

Is there any way to tell if the number is mostly people who have gone in with broken legs etc and had a positive fake PCR test like my 99 year old mother in law who went in hospital 4 weeks ago because she fell …bad knee.. Ten days later tested positive and has now had five positive results. Still no symptoms after two weeks

274175 Nick Rose, 4, #1021 of 1526 🔗

Maajid Nawaz highlights the dangers of the Coronavirus emergency powers:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/government-transparency-needed-in-lockdown-rules/

274185 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #1022 of 1526 🔗

I stand for dangerous liberty, not peaceful slavery.

A lean freedom is preferable to a fat slavery.

Nothing so dreadful as voluntary slavery…

274268 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1023 of 1526 🔗

As Reagan once put it, “…life is not so dear, nor peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery.”

274187 chris, 10, #1024 of 1526 🔗

First, politicians were deployed against us,
then the lawyers,
then the Police,
then the doctors,
now the armed forces.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1333014942128201729

274188 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1025 of 1526 🔗

From Mike Yeadon:

https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1332817102785351680

Read in Full: Boris’s Tiers Promises to Tory MPs; “Sunset” End-Date and Cost-Benefit Analysis – Guido Fawkes

Which MP will be taken in this time?

I could see this obvious trick days ago.

Boris does not have power to deliver on promises which rely on SAGE.

274223 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #1026 of 1526 🔗

Which MP will be taken in this time?

Been asking myself that. How many MPs will vote “with a heavy heart” this time?

It’s essentially a blackmail letter; he has included the Christmas break in regulations in the vote. Vote against the Government and you’re voting against the Christmas break.

He is also suggesting that MPs will be voting as follows: you either back the tiers, or I put the lockdown back on.

He’s a bastard! End of!

274275 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1027 of 1526 🔗

They have hearts?

274301 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1028 of 1526 🔗

From the number of “I voted for lockdown with a heavy heart” replies to our emails, I think they think they do.

274342 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1029 of 1526 🔗

My honour knows what it is to have a complete apparatus for conducting the circulation of the blood through the veins and arteries of the human body.’

 Ruddigore

274716 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to annie, #1030 of 1526 🔗

Thanks. Hadn’t really looked at this Gilbert and Sullivan work before. Brilliant. I’ll send this quote to my heavy hearted local mp.

274348 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1031 of 1526 🔗

He is a bastard, a bugger and a bellend wrapped in one untidy, shaggy package. But if he does revert to full lockdown and cancels Christmas, I suspect that will prove to be the final straw.

Vote it down, boys and girls, vote it down!

274190 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 27, #1032 of 1526 🔗

Merkel promotes open windows and ventilation against C-19(in fact first promoted by Lukashenko)

German thoroughness

“In Bremerhaven, a large part of the high school students went on strike, because of the insane decrees bordering on child abuse that force them to be taught at 0° [32°F] with open windows.
The youth rebelled. With this clientele of demonstrators, even die-hard Coronazis and agitators of the left-green mainstream press will now find it difficult to lump all of them into the camp of conspiracy theorists, “covidiots”, right-wing extremists or Querdenker [lateral thinkers] — because this is where the very immediate victims of this collective psychosis demonstrate.
“We are cold, hungry and have a headache,” the students chant.
709 high school students from the Carl von Ossietzky school center in Bremerhaven went on a Corona strike. The students are furious, and complain that many children and adolescents are now depressed. In the classroom they freeze as a result of the ventilation, many get sick (and can then be suspected of being potential Corona cases), and almost nobody can still write by hand because of stiff fingers. Concentrating on the subject matter is practically impossible.
As Bild reports, the headmaster has bought his students 30 blankets out of pity, which he gives to those that suffer heavily from the cold. He, too, says resignedly: “The conditions are unbearable.”
People who wear glasses with masks constantly fog up their glasses; many students complain of headaches from wearing masks for long periods of time, and they feel tired and dull.”

274212 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1033 of 1526 🔗

It seems that only the mentally unhinged get into politics

274278 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1034 of 1526 🔗

Not unhinged. Just psychopathic.
Only those who succeed to actual power become unhinged.

274493 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, #1035 of 1526 🔗

What’s your alternative?

274296 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1036 of 1526 🔗

Sadly civil servants in Germany are very much, “give them a little power, they will make the most of it”.
There is a TV program, Extra3, which often highlights bureaucratic idiocy.
The Germans like their rules. I know. That’s why I left.

274370 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to swedenborg, #1037 of 1526 🔗

Ossietzky – Named after a pacifist victim of the Nazi régime.

274191 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1038 of 1526 🔗

This has been bugging me all week:
Does anyone know the exact wording of the HofC covid motion on December 2nd? How does one find out? I’ve tried UK Parliament business, votes etc but found nothing useful.

Surely the MPs know in advance what the’re supposed to vote on???

While they’re nitpicking about which tier they should be in, will they only be given a simple choice between mere mockdown or taking-the-piss mockdown?
In which case, what effect can our emails possibly have?

274208 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1039 of 1526 🔗

I wonder if the emergency powers allow the Government to disregard even if they do lose

274257 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1040 of 1526 🔗

I have checked the Coronavirus legislation list
https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/data/coronavirus-statutory-instruments-dashboard#list-of-coronavirus-sis
and it looks as though the latest regs have not yet been laid before Parliament. It does not leave much time for scrutiny.

274287 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1041 of 1526 🔗

Of course not, that is their plan and has been all along.

274349 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1042 of 1526 🔗

That’s exactly why it’s been bugging me.
I already expected the same tactic with the requested cost/benefit analysis.

274194 Paul, replying to Paul, 26, #1043 of 1526 🔗

I avoid facebook but every so often I go to have a laugh at a local page full of covidians.
One of today’s top comments is,’ everyone should stop whining,the hospitals are full,this awful disease is deadly,we need to do our time and we can be back to normal soon
If there is even a slight chance the cretins that post on that page are representative of the population of my town,god help us all !.

274205 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 9, #1044 of 1526 🔗

‘do our time’.
In jail?
Where they belong.

274216 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to annie, 8, #1045 of 1526 🔗

Yes,that’s what he means,let’s be on our best behaviour so we can get parole.These people are so deluded it’s frightening that they walk the same streets as us.I bet he’s been saying we will be back to normal soon since March and still doesn’t get the big picture.

274302 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 2, #1046 of 1526 🔗

We are indeed, drifting into the arena of the unwell, making an enemy of our future.
What we need is harmony, fresh air, stuff like that.

274228 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Paul, 5, #1047 of 1526 🔗

Do our time is the clue – they think by living they have committed some crime! I cannot understand how people are that stupid! Unless these are govt sponsored troll acs?

274235 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Paul, 5, #1048 of 1526 🔗

Well Johnson started it, talking about barbed wire etc !!

274248 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Paul, 8, #1049 of 1526 🔗

What annoys me is that the NHS has an accessible and readable dashboard, anyone can easily look and see that hospital cases are falling and that the NHS is doing fine, it just needs to sharpen up a bit on managing staff and resources. Why do people make no attempt to check the facts and the data before making these comments?

274262 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #1050 of 1526 🔗

BBC, Arsebook, Twatter. All the ‘truth’ straight to their phones!

The interview between JHB and Jenrick linked earlier is a similar example. JHB tells Jenrick she’s getting the evidence from the government’s own data on its and the NHS’s websites. Jenrick replies that he’s getting his ‘evidence’ from what SAGE TELL him.

If even a Secretary of State can’t be arsed to look up the data, what chance is there the public will.

274701 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1051 of 1526 🔗

As thick as my MP

274343 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, #1052 of 1526 🔗

Same way as they ask “what’s xxx?” instead of googling it for themselves.

274498 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Steve Martindale, #1053 of 1526 🔗

Because they are just not motivated to distrust or question the mainstream narrative which has seeped into the nation’s consciousness and is hegemonic now.
We are outsiders, this site is totally unrepresentative. I’ve gone beyond annoyance now. I’m sticking my Back to Normal cards in amongst the stuff on shelves in Wickes, The Range, WHSmith, motorway services toilets, Lidl, anywhere I can, a few every day, a small act of defiance to keep sane.

274198 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #1054 of 1526 🔗
274485 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, #1055 of 1526 🔗

Bastards, or not; I’m sure there were a few titters from some of those cops hearing that.

274575 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Nick Rose, #1056 of 1526 🔗

not available 🙁

274204 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 32, #1057 of 1526 🔗

Collection of a Christmas tree today. Keep in mind this is outside. Not one other family did not have a mask on. We were the only ones without face coverings. Since when did it become “normal” to wear these things outside. Everyone else had one on.

274211 ▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 13, #1058 of 1526 🔗

Covid lurks among pine needles.
Well-known fact.

274243 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 4, #1059 of 1526 🔗

LOL! You sure, Annie? 😉

274333 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1060 of 1526 🔗

Cross my heart and hope to eat roast potatoes.

274482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 2, #1061 of 1526 🔗

Just make sure you use a separate serving spoon for those potatoes. Top tip from the Scottish dentist. 👍🏻

274224 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Leemc23, 24, #1062 of 1526 🔗

That’s the part of this whole thing that drives me craziest — the 110% compliance of some people, by which I mean wearing the damned mask even when it’s not required. I understand why people who are forced to wear them or lose their jobs have to comply, and I get why some of us put them on under duress in order to be spared a confrontation, but these morons who wear them when they don’t have to literally make me want to do violence.

274319 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1063 of 1526 🔗

I agree. To borrow a word from the generation below me it “triggers” me. I find I make loud sarcastic comments to people when they are near me. One day it will end up in a fight. Makes me think that in the end, when it’s all over, they won’t put the masks away and they are here forever and I hate them so very much. Just makes more and more money for the despots in China.

274423 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Leemc23, #1064 of 1526 🔗

Does Bird Flu live in trees?…..

Edit – BTW that IS a joke – I seem to have been mistaken for a psychopath elsewhere by “Two-Six” earlier due to a bit of “dark humour” misunderstanding….thought I’d better make clear that I’m joking, just in case….

274758 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dhid, #1065 of 1526 🔗

I wasn’t insinuating you are a psychopath dhid. I just cannot go along with capitol punishment. There is too much talk on here about it. It’s dangerous.

Also it is possible the authorities might not like talk of us wanting to hang them from lampposts. It might be better not to put it in writing.

274207 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #1066 of 1526 🔗

No need for any extra explanation!

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274209 ▶▶ chris, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1067 of 1526 🔗

Are you part of the plan?

274226 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1068 of 1526 🔗

Is this the four horsemen of the Apocalypse?

274490 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Stephanos, #1069 of 1526 🔗

I see one horsewoman?

274213 chris, replying to chris, 7, #1070 of 1526 🔗

Where’s Boris?

Poor old Raab dishing out the doom this weekend

274307 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to chris, 1, #1071 of 1526 🔗

Probably tired. Proverbs 31.3.

274331 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chris, 1, #1072 of 1526 🔗

Hiding again!

274420 ▶▶ dhid, replying to chris, 3, #1073 of 1526 🔗

“.. Poor old Raab dishing out the doom this weekend..”

Shame really, I used to quite like him as a person, seemed quite decent.
I must be becoming a poor judge of character as I get older.


274589 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to dhid, #1074 of 1526 🔗

Raab you qmuite liked him? Incredulous. A foreign Secretary who didn’t know where dover was!!

274218 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 27, #1075 of 1526 🔗

They have linked the Christmas 5 days to the tier plan system. Vote against the tiers means a vote agains their “generous” Christmas gift.

I feared this last week and I feel a bit sick that they were so obvious in this. Disgraceful. Disgraceful. Disgraceful.

274230 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1076 of 1526 🔗

Bad form to reply to self. But new system is from 2/12. Any change will not actually come into force until Saturday 19th December – that’s 17 days. Not 14. Smallish, but yet again it’s that creep and lies.

Any lowering will be in effect for only 5 days until the Christmas change is due to happen. With every day critical for business….

274241 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1077 of 1526 🔗

I just posted similar in a reply to Nick Rose below. (Ithink we posted at the same time).

Yes, it’s a disgrace; as I said below, it’s nothing other than a blackmail letter.

274267 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1078 of 1526 🔗

surely that must prompt the vote of no confidence though?

274298 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dommo, 5, #1079 of 1526 🔗

I suspect Johnson could try the old Tory PM trick of linking the vote to a confidence vote in the Government. A lot of MPS tend to back away when that happens. Plus Starmer might see it as an opportunity; that said, you never know with him.

Not sure the ‘red wall’ tories would fancy going back to the electorate right now.

274350 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1080 of 1526 🔗

bring it on – let’s have the whole thing totally trashed and “built back better”!

274386 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1081 of 1526 🔗

It’s not very woke of them to be making such a fuss about Christmas anyway. They locked down Leicester at the start of Eid, possibly deliberately, and Diwali was slap bang in the middle of “Lockdown 2.0”. Bunch of racists. Maybe we should protest about this?

274222 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1082 of 1526 🔗

So if China needs to weaken the west to aid its expansion why are the West’s politicians co operating in weakening the west? Are they in agreement?

274232 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #1083 of 1526 🔗

All are in agreement on the need to restructure the world financial system.

That is what this is likely all about .-in my honest opinion.

Although, there are ptobably others -like the Davos bunch – trying to piggyback their agendas on top of that.

274240 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 3, #1084 of 1526 🔗

So follow the money, even if its dirty

274236 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1085 of 1526 🔗

Apparently, yes. China Joe for president. Stop Brexit. Manufacturing jobs to China. Confucius Institute Centres at western universities – 81 in the US alone. China buying up natural resources around the world. Belt and Road Initiative anyone?

Create a big pot of money and politicians will flock to it. BTW our own continuing use of Huawei products continues till next September.

274244 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #1086 of 1526 🔗

I saw an article about China’s President Xi Jinping seeking to promote QR code health passes in the rest of the world. I consider this an infringement of my civil liberties

274294 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ben, 3, #1087 of 1526 🔗

Revelation 13:16-17, spooky!

274300 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #1088 of 1526 🔗

Indeed.

274314 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #1089 of 1526 🔗

When I saw people using the non contact thermometers I immediately thought it was as though they were scanning the mark on the forehead.

274330 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 1, #1090 of 1526 🔗

Civil liberties? You haven’t got any. You aren’t even allowed a face.

274239 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 19, #1091 of 1526 🔗

Give me strength https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8998473/SAGE-scientist-says-people-spend-15-minutes-shops.html She argued that if people wear masks and socially distance then ‘nipping out for a bit of Christmas shopping is not one of the most dangerous things that you can do’.” Educated woman totally lacking in common sense.

274250 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 21, #1092 of 1526 🔗

I was thinking about how people will look at certain words and phrases when this is all over (if ever).

The phrase “sage advice” is now totally fucked in my opinion; no-one will ever think of sage advice as anything other than lies in future.

The title ‘Professor’ is another. People used to believe professors were smart people. No longer, I think.

Any others, guys?

274291 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1093 of 1526 🔗

Knowing that some civil serpent spent all day dreaming up that acronym is the first clue to its effectiveness.

274306 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #1094 of 1526 🔗

Government Special Advisers & cherry picked experts like SAGE run the Government these days, not the civil servants. And don’t underestimate how social media impacts too.

274318 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1095 of 1526 🔗

I wondered how many unfortunate infants born last December and early this year had been christened Boris.

274475 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1096 of 1526 🔗

I wondered how many unfortunate infants born last December and early this year had been christened Boris.

I wonder how many unfortunate infants born last December and early this year had been FATHERED by Boris. 😉

274487 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1097 of 1526 🔗

Well, Johnson may have provided the genetic material.

Parenthood requires superior qualities.

274516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John P, #1098 of 1526 🔗

I wonder how many unfortunate infants born last December and early this year had some genetic material provided by Boris ‘ doesn’t really have the same ring to it.

Thanks for spoiling what I thought was a really good gag, John. 😉

274407 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1099 of 1526 🔗

Yep, ‘experts’.

274438 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to mari, 3, #1100 of 1526 🔗

And ‘safe’.

274476 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mari, 1, #1101 of 1526 🔗

Oh, yes; definitely. 👍🏻

274681 ▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1102 of 1526 🔗

Well ‘lockdown’ as far as i’m aware was a term used only in prisons when the inmates rioted

274737 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lucky, #1103 of 1526 🔗

Then we need to do some catching up …….

274310 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1104 of 1526 🔗

They have it educated out of them.

274325 ▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1105 of 1526 🔗

What a miserable little squit.
If she thinks 15 minutes us long enough in a shop, then she’s never shopped for anything worthwhile (such as clothes, books, CDs…) and she must have her own express checkout at the supermarket.
You must have to be an ultrazombie to take any notice of such ineffable hogwash.

274249 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 53, #1106 of 1526 🔗

Refrain from board games …. socially distance whilst playing charades ….. don’t “double dip” the canapes ….

Just what the hell century do these police state poofters think we’re living in?!

274251 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Matt The Cat, 32, #1107 of 1526 🔗

Uptick for “police state poofters”. 😉

274261 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1108 of 1526 🔗

Thanks 🙂 White-hot inner rage can sometimes conjure up the most amusing insults!

274256 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Matt The Cat, 17, #1109 of 1526 🔗

It reminds me of the lady chatterley book trial of the 1960’s when the prosecuting barrister asked the jury if this was a book that they would want their wives or servants to read. It shows how out of touch with reality this whole shebang is!

274264 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Alan P, 4, #1110 of 1526 🔗

Obviously I was too young to remember that but I remember viewing a TV dramatisation about it in the early 1980s as a very young teenager. “Puritanical? The weight of a man’s balls?” murmured the prosecutor over and over again to the incredulous members of the jury … LOL!

274271 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Matt The Cat, 6, #1111 of 1526 🔗

Let’s not interrupt our enemy when he is making a mistake.

274305 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Matt The Cat, 20, #1112 of 1526 🔗

I asked my 14 yr-old granddaughter how her family was going to organise drinks around the firepit in the garden. Her face was a picture.

When I said her parents were supposed to add an extra dining table for the Christmas dinner, so they could socially-distance, she suggested that maybe the people who’d dreamed up the recommendations lived in much bigger houses than anyone she knows.

274460 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Matt The Cat, 3, #1113 of 1526 🔗

Glad I’m not invited to any of their parties…

274266 CGL, replying to CGL, 11, #1114 of 1526 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIkT2QiqnQ&fbclid=IwAR0Dbcfq22xKLdNY4f1-IrWB_YUSdwE94eED5X0P6YcbowP2nmIr9XA3do8

May have been posted already, but this is Rothschild Bank in Paris.
They really know how to riot.

274277 ▶▶ dommo, replying to CGL, 2, #1115 of 1526 🔗

bien sur – we need some french lessons!

274281 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to CGL, 3, #1116 of 1526 🔗

As Del Boy might say, “Mange tout, Mange tout!”

274292 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 1, #1117 of 1526 🔗
274270 Adam, #1118 of 1526 🔗

If Britain had a written constitution and a federal republic preferably Johnson his Government and the tamed dopey opposition in Parliament would be more accountable to the electorate the constitution does not even have to be modelled on America’s it could be modelled on Germany’s basic law and Lander system

274273 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 11, #1119 of 1526 🔗

two thirds (66.5%) of healthcare workers “intend to delay vaccination,” meaning they do not intend to get the COVID vaccine when it becomes available

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-widespread-medical-professionals/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=3e167103-7806-483f-91b6-13f3aa426c30

274315 ▶▶ annie, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1120 of 1526 🔗

That is, they want somebody else to take the risk before they venture their precious selves. So much for service to others. Here, it would be called ‘protecting the NHS’.

Weird last paragraph:

“Citing vaccine hesitancy among the African American community, the guide suggests that barber shops and hair salons in predominantly black neighborhoods might be tapped to help disseminate approved vaccine messaging.”

So beware! America today, here tomorrow. Your hairdresser may be a double agent, particularly if you are both black.

How do you tap a barber’s shop, anyway?

274317 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to annie, 1, #1121 of 1526 🔗

Cash payments.

274502 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to annie, 1, #1122 of 1526 🔗

why should black Americans trust the medical profession after the Tuskegee experiments, where People with syphilis were deliberately left untreated but observed to see the progress of the disease for forty years?

274279 Ben, replying to Ben, 10, #1123 of 1526 🔗

Politicians around the world are destroying their own economies, democracy, civil liberties, their citizens’ lives and futures – but who for?

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1333022391627374594?s=20

274283 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 6, #1124 of 1526 🔗

See the Delingpole interview I’ve just posted – it might help explain.
I haven’t watched all of it yet, and I’m not sure I actually want to tbh!
Pretty scary stuff

274295 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 20, #1125 of 1526 🔗

From the comments:
Never seen anything like it yesterday in London, TSG units, facial recognition camera vans, 1000’s of police. This is costing a fortune, for what? To stop an elderly man with a voice and a sign.

274526 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Ben, #1126 of 1526 🔗

All orchestrated by and for the globalist elite scum

274280 CGL, replying to CGL, 12, #1127 of 1526 🔗

Delingpole with Patrick M Wood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtuIWPl7of0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0Dbcfq22xKLdNY4f1-IrWB_YUSdwE94eED5X0P6YcbowP2nmIr9XA3do8

He’s been writing about technocracy for 45 years.
Again apologies if already posted.

274290 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to CGL, 1, #1128 of 1526 🔗

Listening to it now.

274483 ▶▶ John P, replying to CGL, #1129 of 1526 🔗

I wasn’t convinced.

274284 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 35, #1130 of 1526 🔗

Using public health legislation to suppress yesterday’s protests is deception. If control of the virus were the real reason, why were other protests allowed to go ahead? That’s to say, BLM and XR which were not peaceful and involved criminal damage, and in the first case violence against the police.

The relevant point is not even that it’s double-standards or discrimination – even though it is. It is the blatant suppression of one narrative and the promotion of another. Fact: if the public knew what is being done to them they would rebel, so at any cost it must be concealed from them. Our civil liberties are now as much at risk as they were when the Wehrmacht was just the other side of the Channel.

If the powers driving this are successful, we face the creation of a totalitarian state based on international corporations’ monopoly of medicine, surveillance and banking. Just as the police yesterday were singling out individuals for arrest and picking them off one by one, so it will be in society. Your neighbour or colleague will suddenly get cancelled and you will pretend not to notice and hope you’re not next. The time to say no is now: no to tests, no to vaccines, no to health passports, no to the ‘new normal’. If even a significant minority say no, it will present the government with a big problem.

274324 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bugle, 4, #1131 of 1526 🔗

Is the minority significant enough yet?

274334 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to CGL, 5, #1132 of 1526 🔗

We can only hope: tough times ahead.

274329 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Bugle, 9, #1133 of 1526 🔗

I think our civil liberties are MORE at risk than ever before. The Wehrmacht was an enemy at the gates and therefor known and visible; we are fighting an enemy WITHIN which is hidden and obscured.
I can’t quite remember the quote from Cicero about this.

274356 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 2, #1134 of 1526 🔗

“Fuit, fuit ista quondam in hac re publica virtus, ut viri fortes acrioribus suppliciis civem perniciosum quam acerbissimum hostem coercerent.”

In Catalinam 1.3

274388 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to annie, #1135 of 1526 🔗

Meaning?

274391 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to annie, #1136 of 1526 🔗

Care to provide a translation?

274410 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to mattghg, 2, #1137 of 1526 🔗

It’s something like, ‘Gone, gone for ever is that valour that used to be found in this Republic and caused brave men to suppress a citizen traitor with keener punishment than the most bitter foe.’ MW

274480 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to mattghg, #1138 of 1526 🔗
274286 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 16, #1139 of 1526 🔗

Round about the cauldron go;
In the poison’d entrails throw.
Toad, that under cold stone
Days and nights has thirty-one
Swelter’d venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i’ the charmed pot.
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and cauldron bubble.
Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg and owlet’s wing,
When in the pot the Devils seen,
There will be thy new vaccine.

274299 ▶▶ annie, replying to Old Bill, 15, #1140 of 1526 🔗

Very true, it is no puzzle –
but ye shall still be clad in muzzle,
and, despite your magic art,
Ye shall still stand six feet apart.

274327 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to annie, #1141 of 1526 🔗

A lovely riposte – and you didn’t even have to resort to plagiarism to pen it!

274351 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1142 of 1526 🔗

It’s all done by witchcraft.

274355 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to annie, 2, #1143 of 1526 🔗

I should have guessed, I used to go out with one.

274434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1144 of 1526 🔗

Ah, but which?

274288 DRW, replying to DRW, 46, #1145 of 1526 🔗

Really nice to see neighbours having family over this afternoon with much rightful violation of the hug ban. Not much but any disobedience is a small victory in my view.

274289 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 10, #1146 of 1526 🔗

There is some hope then.

274303 ▶▶ dommo, replying to DRW, 22, #1147 of 1526 🔗

that’s the most important kind of disobedience – to be practised by everyone, everywhere, every day

274308 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 9, #1148 of 1526 🔗

I bet politicians, the police, blue ticks, journalists, Neil Ferguson all break the rules

274374 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ben, 3, #1149 of 1526 🔗

We know about Ferguson!

274347 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 18, #1150 of 1526 🔗

Yes, a friend of mine I hadn’t seen for some time came by from another Tier 4 Scottish local authority area (shame!) and we shook hands like normal people, catching up on things in the comfort of my own home (with the windows closed on a cold day). He lives with his girlfriend, who was having a friend of hers over (shame!), so he thought he would come up here for the afternoon. Imagine that!

He’s been violating the rules, which are, apparently, simply ‘advice’ anyway, in legal terms. I don’t bother to keep up anymore and couldn’t give a shit what Dear Leader Nicola says. Many other people he and I know have been doing this for some time, and this is in Scotland, supposedly more authoritarian and obedient than ‘Down South’.

This sort of minor rebellion is part of the way out of our dystopia. A lot more is required, though.

274393 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Tom in Scotland, 7, #1151 of 1526 🔗

Tier 4 area and I don’t know of any house in my street that has stopped friends and family visiting since August. My friend on the next street says her neighbours are back to normal.
So the sturgeon can believe we’re all doing as we’re told but I beg to differ.

274297 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 5, #1152 of 1526 🔗

Bob’s “Desolation Row” gets my vote every time:

“At midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew
Come out and round up everyone that knows more than they do
Then they bring them to the factory where the heart-attack machine
Is strapped across their shoulders and then the kerosene
Is brought down from the castles by insurance men who go
Check to see that nobody is escaping to Desolation Row”

274309 ▶▶ calchas, replying to George Mc, 11, #1153 of 1526 🔗

Yes. Frank Zappa hit a nail squarely on the head too with:

““The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

Interesting, especially given Zappa’s backround as described by David McGowan in ‘Laurel Canyon’

274398 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to calchas, 1, #1154 of 1526 🔗

Love this quote

274412 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to stefarm, 3, #1155 of 1526 🔗

That quote has been waiting patiently for decades for 2020 to come around.

274326 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to George Mc, 3, #1156 of 1526 🔗

Dr. Filth, he keeps his world
Inside of a leather cup
But all his sexless patients
They’re trying to blow it up
Now his nurse, some local loser
She’s in charge of the cyanide hole
And she also keeps the cards that read
“Have Mercy on His Soul”

274395 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to George Mc, 1, #1157 of 1526 🔗

“The riot squads are restless
They need somewhere to go…”

274312 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #1158 of 1526 🔗

This is absolutely stunning. How can LD be the solution for a severe geriatric pandemic?

https://www.cidjournal.com/article/S0738-081X(20)30231-5/fulltext

“Do-Not-Resuscitate (DNR)” Status Determines Mortality in Patients with COVID-19

This is a retrospective, observational cohort study of all patients admitted to two New Jersey hospitals between March 15 and May 15, 2020 who had, or developed, COVID-19 (1270 patients). Of these, 640 patients died (570 (89.1 percent) with and 70 (10.9 percent) without a DNR order at the time of admission) and 630 survived (180 (28.6 percent) with and 450 (71.4 percent) without a DNR order when admitted). Among the 120 patients without COVID-19 who died during this interval, 110 (91.7 percent) had a DNR order when admitted

 Conclusion
The risk of death from COVID-19 was significantly influenced by the patients’ DNR status

274335 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1159 of 1526 🔗

Such an item should immediately be headline news, investigation started. There is so much corruption and criminal negligence in the open, its a free for all. Anything is justified to battle Covid.

274364 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #1160 of 1526 🔗

But since DNR status basically means you’ve got one foot in the grave and the other on a banana skin I’d expect it to give an increased hazard ratio for just about anything going. It doesn’t tell us much unless we can compare it to flu or cancer or something else like that.

274527 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to guy153, 1, #1161 of 1526 🔗

DNR status basically means you’ve got one foot in the grave”

Now it means you’re over 60 or, in Scotland, over 45.

274565 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #1162 of 1526 🔗

That’s why all this ” save the nhs” stuff is bollix. I am over 60 and am told off if I go maskless as I should not get Covid to “protect the NHS”. But I know if I did get Covid they’d stick a DNR on me anyway. So why should I try to save them at the expense of not living my life?

274566 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to guy153, 1, #1163 of 1526 🔗

We don’t test each flu case hence impossible to compare. This just confirms that the majority of C-19 deaths would have died within a few months of being “diagnosed” with C-19.,It would be interesting to have the same DNR data from UK. It must be of interest for pandemic planning. DNR would indicate no ICU use.

274624 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #1164 of 1526 🔗

I’m not sure it does tell you that. What it tells you is that if you have DNR status you’re more likely to die of Covid. Suppose it told you you were 4x more likely to die, but that it was the case that people with DNR status were much less than 25% of the population. In that case the majority of deaths would be people who didn’t have DNR status. These are just made-up numbers to illustrate the point.

Its not really surprising that DNR status increases your risk of death from anything so it’s tempting to file this under The Bleeding Obvious.

274316 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 35, #1165 of 1526 🔗

Swerver of the day!

5 minutes ago, I was standing on my doorstep. I wasn’t smoking, vaping, singing, farting loudly, or anything else.

‘Masked Avenger’ walking past sees me standing there and swerves off the pavement at the beginning of my fence and onto the road; he came back onto the pavement only after he passed the end of my fence.

It was such an absurd thing to do I even went out to check no-one had allowed their dog to foul the pavement, thinking maybe he was avoiding something like that. Nope, nothing! Just another covidiot!

274322 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 20, #1166 of 1526 🔗

We came across loads of them today – such fun!
Best one was a family of 3 – even had a wall-hugger (Mum). Moved in very close on these ones. My only joy in life these days.

274332 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 11, #1167 of 1526 🔗

a wall-hugger

Aw! I love them! I posted the other day about a girl, no more than 20, who hugged the hedge as she passed me. 🙂

274337 ▶▶ JVS, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1168 of 1526 🔗

At Aldi’s earlier this week, parked next to a masked woman who was still in her car, I was maskless as I always am. Thought she was leaving but she went to park elsewhere in the same car park. Weirdest thing that’s happened to me yet. Then again, maybe she didn’t want my decrepit car next to her nifty sports car…

274353 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JVS, 6, #1169 of 1526 🔗

Nifty sports car – goes to Aldi?

Warning – Sexist remark coming up.

When you condider how much time, effort and money lots of ladies invest in their appearance…

….it kind of makes you wonder what kind of woman ould wear a mask voluntarily

274379 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to calchas, 11, #1170 of 1526 🔗

One whose eyes are her best feature.

I had an Amazon delivery the other week. The masked Polish delivery girl had beautiful eyes. It was only when she turned and waddled back to the van that I realised she was a land whale.

274579 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JVS, 2, #1171 of 1526 🔗

Thought she was leaving but she went to park elsewhere in the same car park .

LMAO! That’s brilliant! You ol’ plague carrier, you. 😉

274559 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1172 of 1526 🔗

I want to run into them, laughing while I do it.

274323 Wookie81, 8, #1173 of 1526 🔗

My letter to my local mp , hope many more write to theirs !

Dear Tom Hunt,

I wrote to you before the last “lockdown” and I’d like to thank you for taking your time out to reply to that email , but sadly we find ourselves as a country at a point where the leader of your party wants to put us the tax paying public under yet more draconian measures which are on the basis of yet more spin, miss information and lies and ask the people we voted in as our local mps to represent us to vote on these affronts to basic human rights, as explained in your letter to me I understand why you abstained but sadly now is not the time to be sitting on the fence and watching while Boris Johnson and his cronies slash the wrists of this great country and we slowly bleed to death , I won’t sit by and watch it and I hope you won’t either ! Boris seems to throw a few crumbs and expect us to be happy ( ie saving Christmas, getting rid of his rasputain aka Dominic Cummings) but as has been shown time and time again the government are not following the science, sadly it’s seems the government are trying to do the science and the scientists are trying to do the politics and it’s not going well for the Tory party ! Sadly people seem to have short memories and forget that the Tory party showed no opposition when we went to war with Iraq and killed many innocent people on the back of lies and deceit and though the Labour Party are not showing any opposition at the moment people won’t remember that , same as they don’t remember that the tory party showed no opposition to the war , but they will remember that Boris and the conservatives ruined this country on the back of lies and deceit and they will remember that for a long long time !! Though the government think they are buying people (with our money !) and time with their hush money with furlough, all that is , is a “payday loan” that future generations will be paying off for a very long time and in increased taxes and dropped standards of living

I genuinely think and feel that you have Ipswich’s best interests at heart and if you do then tomorrow you vote down Boris new tiers which he has openly said will be here till Easter , we have been lied to time and time again, 3 weeks to flatten the curve ( March ) 12 weeks till we return to normal ( end of March ) and a normal Christmas ( July ) and here we are still Kicking the can down the road , making the same mistakes, hearing the same lies from the same old people and from what I’ve seen the people are growing tired of it all and anger and frustration is growing Sadly all that has happened in the last 7/8/9 months will hit those hardest who the government are vowing to protect, the old , weak and vulnerable, the people we need to help the most !

I hope when you are asked to vote that you think of these people and the people who have worked so hard to build up a business with hard work, hopes and dreams only to have them dashed by you party on the back of liess!

274328 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1174 of 1526 🔗

Protesting your tyrant bad.

Asking for a football chairman to resign, good.

https://thecelticstar.com/video-big-turnout-at-celtic-park-as-supporters-demand-change/

274354 ▶▶ Ryan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1175 of 1526 🔗

…. our fences are about as useful as our defence at the moment.

Lennon (and Johnston) have to go.

274380 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1176 of 1526 🔗

“To the car park, Declan!”

Mental. And not a polis in sight.

274336 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 12, #1177 of 1526 🔗

Is this your MP? Oh dear.

Stricter Tiers Wouldn’t Be Needed If People ‘Hadn’t Broken The Rules’, Says Tory MP Alexander Stafford says continued threat of Covid-19 means country has to “take this seriously”.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/alexander-stafford-lockdown-rules_uk_5fc3a669c5b66bb88c67b7e3

I never look at Huffpost. It seems that was wise.

274381 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 8, #1178 of 1526 🔗

I think that’s the line in the sand. They’ll always say it would be worse without measures and better without the rule breakers. Nothing but a massive takedown of PCR for example will stand a chance of giving their tiny brains an out now.

274339 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 11, #1179 of 1526 🔗

Could Al Johnson be channeling historic leaders other than Churchill?

I’m currently reading Robert Service’s excellent autobiography on Lenin.

Lenin apparently said the following about one of his heroes:

[Machiavelli] ‘correctly said that if it is necessary to resort to certain brutalities for the sake of realising a certain political goal, they must be carried out in the most energetic fashion and in briefest possible time because the masses will not tolerate the prolonged application of brutality’

274344 ▶▶ calchas, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #1180 of 1526 🔗

Exactly.

They haven’t got forever.

The next shoe must drop in short order.

274346 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 3, #1181 of 1526 🔗

A narrowing window of opportunity

274365 ▶▶ annie, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1182 of 1526 🔗

Our zombie masses will, particularly if the brutality is chiefly visited on children and helpless old people.

274446 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #1183 of 1526 🔗

Yes, indeed. All this has been happening with mind-boggling swiftness, before people can regain their balance from the last outrage.
Something big will happen next – like communications being disrupted – just when we think we’re getting our ducks in a row.

274479 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Banjones, 2, #1184 of 1526 🔗

A friend of mine who was a real Covid believer, but has recently come round, was having dreams in January about mass graves. Last night I dreamt of power cuts and silence on the radio.

I hope the one fear is as exaggerated as the other.

274552 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ovis, 2, #1185 of 1526 🔗

My nightmare is kale. It’s the only thing that grows here in winter. I have visions of kale soup forever.

274655 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1186 of 1526 🔗

It’s not your vision you should be worried about. What on earth would that do to your digestion?

274663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1187 of 1526 🔗

“We lived upon nettles, while nettles were good.
And Waterloo porridge were t’best on us food”

274357 Ben, replying to Ben, 27, #1188 of 1526 🔗
274540 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Ben, 6, #1189 of 1526 🔗

The SS Fully Employed is actually a luxury cruise liner that never docks so no one has to get off.

274553 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to William Gruff, 4, #1190 of 1526 🔗

A cruise liner funded by the victims of lockdown through taxation

274615 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to William Gruff, 2, #1191 of 1526 🔗

They’re all vulnerable to torpedoes. And submarines were always a poor man’s battleships.

274585 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ben, 2, #1192 of 1526 🔗

Channel4 had a report about people who moved to Barbados to “work from home”.
Apparently Barbados came up with a scheme to fill their tourist income with a 12 months visa to people with at least £38k income p.a. who can keep their British job going.

274358 Lydia, replying to Lydia, 1, #1193 of 1526 🔗

Hello all,

I’ve emailed my mp regarding the vote on Tuesday asking him to not vote for the tier restrictions and I received this reply.
How does the voting work on Tuesday, will the old restrictions apply if he votes against it?

On Tuesday the choice is clear in the voting lobby.

I either vote with the Government which will see the new Tier system start on Wednesday or I can vote against the Government and if that vote is won we will revert back to the Tier 3 system that was in place a week before lockdown. This would mean all non-essential shops would remain closed, all gyms would be closed and the whole of the beauty industry in Notts would be closed down. I was not happy with this situation before lockdown and was very vocal about it.

So whatever way I vote on Tuesday (And I haven’t made my mind up yet) it is not as simple as some people would suggest.

Do I vote to open up our shops, salons, nail bars, tattoo shops and the whole of the beauty industry or do I vote to revert back to Tier 3 plus where all these businesses would remain closed?

Which way would you vote in these circumstances ?

274367 ▶▶ Will, replying to Lydia, 8, #1194 of 1526 🔗

So the hospitality sector is going to be destroyed. I hate this country.

274373 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Will, 8, #1195 of 1526 🔗

Me too. And the MP’s!

274441 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Will, 10, #1196 of 1526 🔗

We must not hate the country. We must hate the people who are trying to destroy it. The country is being betrayed as we are. We are doing what we are told – why are we?
I can see why the hospitality industry is – they’ll be hammered with fines. But in the small things – why are people complying?

274443 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 9, #1197 of 1526 🔗

Every time I go down to London I see more people breaking the rules

274548 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, 4, #1198 of 1526 🔗

Yesterday loads of people, not part of the protest, were unmasked. Nobody bothered.

274603 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #1199 of 1526 🔗

Yet the city was so, so empty…

274605 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1200 of 1526 🔗

What a shit show

274376 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Lydia, 10, #1201 of 1526 🔗

i would vote NO CONFIDENCE !!!

274384 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Lydia, 9, #1202 of 1526 🔗

This looks like excuse-making to me.

I don’t know whether it’s technically correct that we would somehow “automatically” revert to the former situation if the new regional lockdown system is not supported – I’d have thought we’d default to no restrictions, but I suppose it depends on exact wordings and procedural/legal technicalities. But regardless, that’s no reason not to vote against a bad system. We know the government could introduce new measures pretty much overnight anyway.

It’s up to the government to come up with proposals for how to run the country. The only sensible proposal is to drop all coercive restrictions and go to a system of advice only, but it appears our elite classes longer have any common sense.

What your MP is effectively saying is that he’s going to let the government blackmail him into supporting them in a vote by threatening not to arrange any sensible governance if they don’t get their way. Give us what we want or we will take our ball home. It should be obvious to anyone that that is unacceptable. If your MP were not looking for an excuse not to rock the boat, he would doubtless recognise that.

274394 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Mark, 5, #1203 of 1526 🔗

Thank you for the explanation. I didn’t think we’d automatically go back to the old restrictions before lockdown. If enough MP’s vote against surely that means bozo has to go back and look at the tier system as the back benchers aren’t happy?

I think he’s also trying to be a smart arse because the last time I emailed him I told him he was a disgrace and he has blood on his hands so he’s probably a bit pissed off with me!

274403 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Mark, 6, #1204 of 1526 🔗

I’ve just remembered that the tiers that were in place before lockdown were revoked, so we can’t go back to those restrictions.

274387 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Lydia, 5, #1205 of 1526 🔗

Your MP’s reply seems to be covering his backside. For me the choice is very simple one either votes for or against the government, that is all that matters.

274400 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to William Gruff, 5, #1206 of 1526 🔗

It is for me too but he’s managed to spin it and use it as an excuse to not vote against the new tiers.

274421 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Lydia, 4, #1207 of 1526 🔗

Forward his email to one of the legal people. Haven’t seen the revert clause before so it’s still blackmail rules. Thinking your Notts MP isn’t mine as mine rarely replies and it takes weeks if he ever does

274452 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to EllGee, 3, #1208 of 1526 🔗

He usually doesn’t reply straight away but on this occasion he did. My MP was the one who made boris self isolate!

ive just read the coronavirus restrictions that came into force on the 5 November and the current restrictions were revoked, so he’s trying to play the smart arse.

how do I send to the legal people?

274528 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Lydia, 2, #1209 of 1526 🔗

I would say that sacrificing the whole of the hospitality sector for the sake of nail bars and tattoo shops shouldn’t even be a consideration.Perhaps the useless twat should be fighting for ALL businesses to be open and NOW.

274359 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1210 of 1526 🔗

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1333107340585938947

Chinese article submitted to Lancet for peer review claiming that the origin of Sars-Cov2 is from Indian sub-continent.

 Interesting to see Richard Horton, Editor of Lancet is going to accept this article (see Balloux’s twitter demolishing the claim). Horton is one of the biggest fan of China, including Mao, and one of pro LD and mask fanatic.

274363 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1211 of 1526 🔗

Thanks for the background info – now it makes sense!

274377 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1212 of 1526 🔗

Yes-we already know about the Chinese money to Imperial College.

We prepare to search:

‘Lancet’ ‘Sources of Income’

274636 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1213 of 1526 🔗

To say Horton is a snake would be excessively polite.

274361 Tom in Scotland, replying to Tom in Scotland, 15, #1214 of 1526 🔗

Abusive relationship: Here is the link for the abusive relationship PDF that was shown at the bottom of the main section:

https://www.thewmhi.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Abusive-Relationship-Infographic.pdf

It looks like a legitmate website. I just can’t get over it! It encapsulates our relationship with BoJo perfectly.

Sorry if it’s been posted, but I hadn’t seen it yet. Download and send to your friends (including those who haven’t quite grasped what’s really happening).

274477 ▶▶ Peter Walker, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1215 of 1526 🔗

It’s brilliant, Tom, I’ve managed to print off a couple of colour copies as well as forwarding to others,

Peter.

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274385 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #1216 of 1526 🔗

Interesting …

Sidney Powell US election lawsuit: “the vote numbers are impossible”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmk67wnM40Q

274677 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1217 of 1526 🔗

Apparently there is a Supreme Court precedent from the 1800’s or something, that says fraud vitiates [completely quashes] everything. Don’t need to prove fraud nationwide, just one state would suffice. That would make Basement Joe & Enough slaves to start a Football team Harris, totally ineligible, invalid, the candidate with the most electoral votes – Trump – would be declared the victor.

274389 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 9, #1218 of 1526 🔗

The Germans are very much leading the rebellion –

The Great Awakening Worldwide – November 2020 – HUGE compilation Protests & Freedom Rallies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7JgVXFY_Vo

274484 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #1220 of 1526 🔗

Amazing. Hope.

I look to my own area here in Northern Ireland and the level of opposition to all of this is so small. Absolutely awful. I think its more to do with an insular attitude that wont recognise the shift change being implemented at a global level.

I really hope one of these protests elsewhere pierce through soon. We need a big win somewhere to show what can be done. Denmark pushing back against the mandated vaccines was one for sure, but the media blackout is really effective.

274612 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1221 of 1526 🔗

Inspiring. Was it my imagination or, apart from the water cannons, were police most in evidence in the short UK clip?

274625 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cheezilla, #1222 of 1526 🔗

That was my read too. Johnson always wanted to be ‘World King’, maybe being the most oppressive was an aspiration.

274427 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 2, #1224 of 1526 🔗

Yes – well amongst the awake it is.

274430 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Banjones, 1, #1225 of 1526 🔗

Thanks – some of it yes.

274447 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Banjones, 1, #1226 of 1526 🔗

Very interesting, that is what is called a conflict of interest. Hope it doesn’t end there.

274462 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Banjones, 3, #1227 of 1526 🔗

The one I like to give out alongside that one is:

Tom Jefferson: The UK turns to Witty, Vallance, and Van Tam for leadership: revolving doors?
Good food for thought for the blinkered.

274471 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 1, #1228 of 1526 🔗

Just bear in mind that’s a different Witty, but the point is still valid. 👍🏻

274635 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1229 of 1526 🔗

Fuck me, there’s more than one of them ?

274474 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Banjones, 2, #1230 of 1526 🔗

Follow the money……….its all a sham

274543 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Banjones, 2, #1231 of 1526 🔗

‘The Ayatollahs of Sage’ – Laura Perrins

274406 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 18, #1232 of 1526 🔗

I bet some of you can relate to this…relatives mucking about with Covid Xmas guidance trying to use it to their advantage!

My brother is craftily ‘using’ the divisive rules to limit my mums stay to ust two nights this year…she must not arrive before the 23rd, he says. That is the rule, he says. Not a bad thing for him as he is trying to continue his recovery from the alcoholism exabberated by lockdown. My Mum is lovely but likes her sherry at Xmas and she is one of his triggers. He told my Mum that I don’t follow the rules so she can stay longer with me this year. So she will arrive at my place before 23rd and leave after the window has closed so she misses the rush.

Somewhere else in the family someone is obsessing with bubbles and rules and had the audacity to suggest my son in law and his family eats Xmas dinner with his parents on 27th instead of 26th. He is with us on 25th. He is resisting but it is not resolved. Best solution is probably to lie and say he did not spend Xmas with us….government and media spread lies all the time so why not?

I note the people trying to use these rules / guidance for personal gain are at the least emphatic and most selfish end of the spectrum.

Strange times.

274418 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to theanalyst, 13, #1233 of 1526 🔗

It’s called ”divide and rule”. And it’s working very well for those who want it to work for them.

274408 Jo, replying to Jo, 48, #1234 of 1526 🔗

I’ve not had a good day. I spent my awake hours last night contemplating how I could get more people I know to wake up. I sent the MP briefing paper to some friends and two or three have sent to their MPs. Another friend agreed to look at it properly with her partner (I have great hopes for her partner being converted to the cause, because he has the right sort of mind. Hope I’m not wrong). But then I thought that it had taken me several months to getting around to thinking that all this is no accident – I was sceptical BEFORE lockdown, and amazed that we locked down when Covid had just been declassified as an HCID. I was naive and therefore it took me months of reading scientific articles and looking at graphs to reassure myself that I wasn’t mad to think that lockdown was the wrong approach. I just couldn’t take it in that what was happening in destroying society and the country was deliberate. So there is nothing I can think of to say to my friends (the ones who aren’t sceptical, thankfully I have several who are) what is really happening. It took my about 150 hours study before I was able to really start to ask WHY.
When I got up I felt terrible, panicky and scared. I am worried that I won’t be strong enough to survive this. I want to be a stronger person but I am now overwhelmed. I am angry and don’t want to celebrate Xmas. As a non-Christian there is nothing to celebrate and I know it doesn’t make any difference, but I just don’t want to go along with the farcical bribe that Xmas has become this year. I don’t like being told what to do at the best of times, and having been self-employed for nearly 20 years have largely avoided this. I can’t believe adults can be told what to do by these bastards.
Reached a low point the other night, when I had a dream that I was asking my father what to do – trying to get him to read the German book and he just wouldn’t engage. I know exactly what the dream was about – my father died when I was 20 but as a child he always sorted things out for me. I think it was the equivalent of those men in war you hear about calling for their mothers.
Anyway, apologies for that bit of self-indulgence. Hopefully I will feel better after a beer.

274413 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Jo, 18, #1235 of 1526 🔗

It’s a rollercoaster for sure. Keep on fighting the good fight. The truth will out.

274512 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #1236 of 1526 🔗

Thank you, everyone who has replied and thanks to everyone on this site.

274422 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jo, 12, #1237 of 1526 🔗

I think every day, how bloody dare they.

274439 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dan Clarke, 22, #1238 of 1526 🔗

They ”dare” because they believe that people will do as they’re told.
Let’s show them we won’t.

274431 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, 13, #1239 of 1526 🔗

Yes, have a beer and cheer up.
You don’t have to celebrate Christmas if you don’t want to. and you most certainly don’t have to do what the bastards tel you to.
Do what you want, and have a good laugh as the Sage-and-onion numpties’ advice gets more and more farcical.
I still get the giggles every time I remember the roast potatoes.

Don’t let these sordid Scottish cruds
Dictate the rules for Christmas spuds,
Or you’ll end up thinking they should
Dictate the rules for Christmas pud,
And that is really very risky,
‘Cause their next target is your whiskey.

274440 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo, 10, #1240 of 1526 🔗

I’m not a Christian and don’t go much on the commercial version of Christmas.

For me it’s about eating some good food in the company of people you love. I try to do that every day, but having some special meals you take more care over does have something special about it.

274459 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Jo, 10, #1241 of 1526 🔗

Sorry to hear about your bad day, we all get them. Hope you feel better soon, we all have each other on here for support.

274489 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Jo, 16, #1242 of 1526 🔗

Stay strong. Face them down. I see Christmas for its pagan roots, a midwinter festival. Light the place up. Bring living greenery indoors, eat and drink and think of the year changing, each day is longer again and the summer will come again. We will win. Sorry if it’s a bit hippyish. Basically, feck ’em.

274561 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 7, #1243 of 1526 🔗

Exactly.

Yule was the celebration of the sun starting to rise in the sky again, proving that there would be an end to Winter. At the darkest time of the year, when daylight was short and the nights long and cold, it was a great excuse to have a bonfire party and a feast.

Wonderful symbolism and one we should keep in mind during these dark days.

274522 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jo, 7, #1244 of 1526 🔗

The being out of control is the worst part for me too, followed closely by my innate disgust at being told what to do by anyone. I have been a sceptic since childhood which is I think what most of us here have in common and what sets up apart from the masses. Hopefully the catharsis is helpful — it’s what the forum and the people here are for! I almost had a meltdown over the stupidest thing the other day — a service provider who honoured my mask exemption has decided they no longer will based on “guidance” from the local health authorities. It’s not a necessary service and it shouldn’t have set me off the way it did, but we all have our bad days and are on edge.

274631 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1245 of 1526 🔗

Honour your exemption?They have to. Discrimination otherwise.

274738 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to annie, 1, #1246 of 1526 🔗

I’d have to launch a human rights complaint or take them to small claims court. Not worth it, and because it’s not a necessary service (very discretionary) I’m not going to pursue it. I don’t really want to make life more difficult for small businesses, but I certainly won’t go back there if this nonsense ever ends and I would take it further if it was a business I absolutely needed to enter in person. I did walk into a government office this week without a mask and nobody batted an eye. It was something I had to do in person so I had no problem at all claiming my exemption if challenged.

274555 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo, 3, #1247 of 1526 🔗

Don’t despair. Hope the beer helped.

274570 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo, 2, #1248 of 1526 🔗

Be self-indulgent. Hope it helped just getting it off your chest. But please don’t give up. I can’t promise it will get better before the end, but there will be an end to it. I can promise that.

274416 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 35, #1249 of 1526 🔗

Yep. “Collateral Damage”.

274419 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to PastImperfect, 28, #1250 of 1526 🔗

makes me hate them even more, the polticians and all of the establishments who are doing this.

274426 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Dan Clarke, 23, #1251 of 1526 🔗

They were ‘just doing their job’, right!?

Disgusting that they’ll still have jobs at the end of this and this poor man has lost everything because of this utter nonsense.

274436 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1252 of 1526 🔗

They’re not actually ”doing” it. They’re just ”saying” it. So we should ignore them.

274424 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #1253 of 1526 🔗

‘Contempt’ is too mild – both for the barons and the serfs.

274429 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PastImperfect, 20, #1254 of 1526 🔗

Plenty more suffering coming our way as well. The authorities are far from done with us. Expect the pain levels to be many times worse over the next 6 months.

274473 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Richard O, 7, #1255 of 1526 🔗

I agree RO. They are going to do all in their power to avoid facing the music. I think they are desperate to cover their tracks by saying it woz the lockdowns wot dunnit and starting jabs before the numbers flatline so they can attribute the flatline to the jabs. They will be quaking and trying to rush approval.

274470 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PastImperfect, 11, #1256 of 1526 🔗

Police just following orders. Destroying innocent people’s lives

274521 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Ben, 1, #1257 of 1526 🔗

„I was just following orders“ didn’t count during the Nürnberg trials either…just saying…

274437 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 17, #1258 of 1526 🔗

I can smell the BS from here:

US surgeon general: Wearing a mask is an ‘instrument’ of freedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7utg1sHgIF4

274451 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1259 of 1526 🔗

Funny how they all insist they’ll be in front of the queue to get it.

274466 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1260 of 1526 🔗

All records being set but not one person they can point to has died. If this was a pandemic affecting everyone with equal measure, there’d surely be some big names die with Covid. Peter Sutcliffe was taken by the rona, but he’s of a certain vintage.

274628 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1261 of 1526 🔗

He didn’t die of covvie. He had a bad heart. And, like everybody else in hospital, a positive test.

274520 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1262 of 1526 🔗

Government Lies Exposed By… Government in [Market-Ticker] (market-ticker.org)

A quick look at the social security pay-out trends in the US shows no big drop, which would be expected if there was a huge number of excess deaths in the elderly.

But no, it mirrors the trend exactly. This feels like something we’ve been saying about Europe for months, the US maybe a little behind in the scepticism?

274626 ▶▶ annie, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1263 of 1526 🔗

Yeah, like a bullet through the head is an instrument of life.

274442 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 13, #1264 of 1526 🔗

Fellow lockdown sceptics – this is our fate – John Lennon 1968

274505 ▶▶ CGL, replying to godowneasy, -1, #1265 of 1526 🔗

Spot bollock

274444 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1266 of 1526 🔗

Fellow lockdown sceptics, “car crash” top turd, 1988

274464 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1267 of 1526 🔗

If he’s died and come back as Covid he must be pretty disappointed.

274445 NickR, replying to NickR, 12, #1268 of 1526 🔗

UK Hospital admissions
We now have a few days when we can see that hospital admissions have trended down after lockdown, but the key information is that they weren’t trending up before. Lockdown totally unnecessary!

274453 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 2, #1269 of 1526 🔗

Lockdown totally unnecessary!

‘Admissions’ numbers totally fake! That graph is meaningless.

274457 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1270 of 1526 🔗

They can’t even fake a pandemic now then

274469 ▶▶▶ Peter Walker, replying to Ceriain, #1271 of 1526 🔗

Discharge numbers are consistently higher than admission numbers but that’s never mentioned!!!

Peter.

274456 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 3, #1272 of 1526 🔗

Admissions have the same of/with problem as deaths. Plus total patients have fallen.

274449 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1273 of 1526 🔗

Positive test results trending down on the 7 day average. But again, they weren’t trending up before the lockdown.. Totally unnecessary.

274454 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 3, #1274 of 1526 🔗

Should be on the floor by the new year.

274465 ▶▶ leggy, replying to NickR, 3, #1275 of 1526 🔗

Interesting though – test rates still seem high. So positive tests as a percentage of total tests is reducing. Have they changed something about the test?

274481 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, 5, #1276 of 1526 🔗

It could of course just be natural decay. Although the lateral flow ones might be having an impact.

274450 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1277 of 1526 🔗

Listening to Alex Belfied on youtube and he stated that discussing the following points will have you kicked off (i) anti vaccine (ii) Conspiracy theories

274472 ▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, #1278 of 1526 🔗

Who is Alex Belfield?

274486 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 5, #1279 of 1526 🔗

He used to work in the main stream media. He’s a good laugh. Anti lockdown and anti woke.

274501 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, #1280 of 1526 🔗

Thanks. Good man.

274509 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to John P, 1, #1281 of 1526 🔗

Much funnier and on point than Boris Bellend.

274536 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JHuntz, #1282 of 1526 🔗

Link useful please.

274458 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 28, #1283 of 1526 🔗

Raab now talking up 3RD WAVE!! How do we shut these lying f*ckers up???

274463 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to T. Prince, 20, #1284 of 1526 🔗

It will never end until we make it end. And if we don’t, we are finished.

274524 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Richard O, 25, #1285 of 1526 🔗

We were finished when England, represented by an overwhelming majority of group think halfwits clapped the lockdown in March.

The shutting of the hospitality industry that Friday will go down as one of the darkest days on the history of this country. The subsequent press conference with that facist waste of human life Johnson will go down as the greatest bretreal of the British people in the history of humanity. His words “you must stay at home” rank as the worst thing ever said by a British leader.

There is no pain I would not wish on everyone in the Cabinet, the members of SAGE and that fungus-faced devil Ferguson. Death is too good for them, prison is a waste of taxpayers money. They deserve to suffer the pain they have inflicted on every person in this country W million times over.

274467 ▶▶ Ben, replying to T. Prince, 17, #1286 of 1526 🔗

Third Wave of PCR tests. Mostly asymptomatic positives

This is criminal. A crime against humanity knowing what’s to come.

274478 ▶▶ DRW, replying to T. Prince, 10, #1287 of 1526 🔗

Like the pigs in Animal Farm, threatening Jones returning if they don’t get their way.

274617 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 4, #1288 of 1526 🔗

Entirely. And the zombies will believe it.

274495 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to T. Prince, 21, #1289 of 1526 🔗

They’ve got it set up perfectly, release us for Christmas (whilst telling us they’d rather we just stayed at home) and then blame us for a “surge” in cases in the New Year. They’ve already put out the idea of 25 days of more severe restrictions required to compensate, so when the schools and universities go back in Jan they can just conduct another enormous round of mass testing and we will be back to square one.

Taking this into account, if any of those MPs seriously think the Bozo (sorry, I mean SAGE) will let us out of the tiers at the beginning of Feb then honestly, I give up.

274542 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1290 of 1526 🔗

Unfortunately most will probably be bought off as usual.

274549 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to A. Contrarian, #1291 of 1526 🔗

They can only do that if we comply

274541 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to T. Prince, 8, #1292 of 1526 🔗

I thought Raab had leadership ambitions. Talking shite like this won’t help him win.

274491 Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #1293 of 1526 🔗

How life is when government operates by intrusive authoritarian laws and snitch and smash policing:

https://twitter.com/InProportion2/status/1331926985438883842

274494 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #1294 of 1526 🔗

Of course, there’s someone to claim it’s not what it seems:

“He got arrested for domestic assault and coercive behaviour. This video has been edited.”

Who knows what the truth is?

274492 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 33, #1295 of 1526 🔗

Last Christmas, I gave you my vote
But the very next year you pissed it away
Next time, to save me from tears
I’ll give it to someone different

Last Christmas, I gave you my vote
But the very next year you pissed it away
Next time, to save me from tears
I’ll give it to someone different

Once bitten and twice shy
I keep my conscience
And you don’t catch my eye
Tell me, Boris
Do you recognize me?
Well, it’s been a year
It doesn’t surprise me

(Merry Christmas!) I wrapped it up and sent it
With a note saying, “fuck you,” I meant it
I now know what a fool I’ve been
But as you screwed me now
I know you’ll screw me again

Last Christmas, I gave you my vote
But the very next year you pissed it away
This year, to save me from tears
I’ll give it to someone different

I didn’t vote for him but poetic license…..

274496 ▶▶ Evelyn, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1296 of 1526 🔗

Excellent.

274503 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1297 of 1526 🔗

Nice one. Tears or Tiers?

274513 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to DRW, 1, #1298 of 1526 🔗

Both

274515 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #1299 of 1526 🔗

Double Whammy..

274537 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1300 of 1526 🔗

Brilliant!

274504 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #1301 of 1526 🔗

Done a little mod to a charts that shows a key location & the surrounding areas. Here’s Liverpool. Next time you hear some tosser minister claiming it was mass testing wot won it you can say that Liverpool was 30% below the peak when Tier 3 came in and 300% lower than the peak when mass testing & lockdown started.

274530 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to NickR, 1, #1302 of 1526 🔗

Thanks NickR. Currently in email discussion with my MP on whether Liverpool testing work. Is it OK to send him this?

274539 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1303 of 1526 🔗

Of course

274508 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 5, #1304 of 1526 🔗

Please help Ivor make his documentary….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9-pssJtiZE

274514 ▶▶ dommo, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1305 of 1526 🔗

only about £500 off the goal now!

274531 ▶▶ dommo, replying to T. Prince, 5, #1306 of 1526 🔗

goal now reached!

274560 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to dommo, 1, #1307 of 1526 🔗

Excellent!

274601 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to T. Prince, 5, #1308 of 1526 🔗

Done and as I had the credit card out, I threw this site a donation as well.

274510 Will, replying to Will, 35, #1309 of 1526 🔗

I am not anti vaccination but I will always question group think. I have not read a single article on any MSM that begins to question vaccination. That rings alarm bells for me.

274611 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Will, #1310 of 1526 🔗

Quite right Will. I believe Vernon Coleman has a standing offer to debate vaccination with anyone. No takers do far.

274511 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 19, #1311 of 1526 🔗

Sage says touch your nose. Sage says touch your shoulders. Sage says turn around. Touch the ground. You’re breaking article 3 of the coronavirus regulations. Why did you touch the ground? Sage didn’t tell you to do that. Irish stew in the name of the law.

A Christmas game recommended by Sage. It’s called Sage Says.

274519 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1312 of 1526 🔗

How irresponsible they are – “touch your nose” – bad enough all the face nappy wearers keep fiddling with their dirty nappies and handling everything!
Lol!

274535 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Country Mumkin, 10, #1313 of 1526 🔗

I prefer the SAGE magic act: “Think of a number between one and ten..multiply by 1000 and double it again…now is that the number we said would die from Covid in one day? Who cares? – it doesn’t matter because it was a projection not a prediction. See – that’s where the magic lies, to speak. “

274523 DThom, replying to DThom, #1314 of 1526 🔗

When we get daily cases by town or area do they also tell us daily tests by town or area?
Also do they tell us whether the cases are in homes or hospital or care homes?

274550 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DThom, 1, #1315 of 1526 🔗

Yes to your first question. No to the second.

274577 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBigman, 6, #1317 of 1526 🔗

He has balls.

“BRASÍLIA (Reuters) – President Jair Bolsonaro said on Thursday that he will not get a future vaccine against Covid-19 and said he believed the National Congress would not create problems for people who do not want to be vaccinated.
“I say to you, I will not take it, it is my right and I am sure that Parliament will not create difficulties for anyone who may not want to get the vaccine because whoever does not get the vaccine – if it is effective, lasting and reliable- – it’s doing harm to yourself, ”said Bolsonaro, broadcast on social media.
Bolsonaro, who has already been infected by Covid-19, again attacked the São Paulo governor and political opponent, João Doria (PSDB), and insinuated that there would be vested interests in him when trying to force a national immunization with the CoronaVac, a vaccine developed by the Chinese Sinovac and that in the country will be produced by the Butantan Institute, linked to the state government.
For the president, forcing the citizen to get a vaccine or to prevent anyone who does not want to take a passport, travel by plane or enter the public service would be a dictatorship.
Bolsonaro said the national vaccination plan against Covid-19 is practically ready. He pointed out that the vaccine will have to pass the approval of Anvisa, which is a “serious body”, citing the work of the agency’s president-director, Antonio Barra Torres.
MASK TABLE
In the broadcast, the president attacked media outlets for criticism of the positions he has taken in dealing with the pandemic and cited the use of masks as the “last taboo” in relation to measures to curb the advance of Covid-19.
“The question of the mask, I won’t say much because there will still be a serious study talking about the effectiveness of the mask, if it protects 100%, 80, 90, 10, 4 or 1%. They will come to this study. So, I think that only the last taboo to fall is missing, ”he said, alongside three other people also without a mask during the broadcast.
The use of the mask has been one of the main consensus among health authorities to curb the spread of the virus.”

Note use of the magic word “consensus” in relation to curbing the spread of a virus. “Consensus” is for when you’re talking about the best pop group, not science.

274532 Two-Six, 1, #1318 of 1526 🔗

Live at 9:30 tonight, Mark Windows Counter Terror and Covid
https://windowsontheworld.net/live-shows/
With live chat!

274533 Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 12, #1319 of 1526 🔗

https://twitter.com/Thomas_Binder/status/1331292826341150724 – him and at least 20 other scientists have submitted a retraction of the Drosten “paper” that became the gold standard for dodgy PCR tests.

274657 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1320 of 1526 🔗

Just came across it myself.

Excellent. This is really hopeful now

The consequences of false positives – CORMAN-DROSTEN REVIEW REPORT

274534 wat tyler, #1321 of 1526 🔗

I didn’t attend the demo yesterday so my thoughts are only from watching the videos and other peoples experience .I would say that if it wasn’t for the police blocking coaches and train stations and breaking people up in to smaller groups this would probably have been one of the biggest demo’s so far ,so i would say don’t be disappointed because the movement is building. There seems to be quite a few people who missed the demo completely so we probably need an updated message people can access so people can join up as we are on the move ( this could help the police as well but i guess if we are in mass we can’t lose them ),Also i think keeping people together in large numbers is the safest so stragglers are not picked off . It’s hard to know where the best place to meet is ? ,but i would suggest somewhere thats very busy with as many members of the general public about so you can blend in before the start (not a park). maybe inside a main station like liverpool st ,this was used to great effect in the 90s protests .Anyway all these are things we need to discuss and probably best in local groups and not on an open board . One thing we can and should dicuss is how to encourage more people to get involved and also to attend events .I think when we have another main event we need all local groups to put out posters and stickers with date and meet up and also as ive said somewhere to get contact of change of location .One last thing .I believe in the end the only people to overturn what’s happening are the people themselves so i’m not looking for others to save us but saying that i am happy to have mainstream high profile people attending and speaking .So that brings me to my last point ,Lawrence Fox said if the lockdowns don’t end he will be at the head of the protests . As i and most people on here see it half the country are still in a lockdown so lets get over to Fox on twitter and say put your money where your mouth is ,if you want to lead a new political movement lets see you lead and find out if you have it about you to live up to what you said.

274538 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 19, #1322 of 1526 🔗

Rockin’ around the Christmas tree
At the Christmas party hop
No mistletoe hung where you can see
Every couple has to stop

Rockin’ around the Christmas tree
No Christmas spirit here
Socially distanced partying
Everything is soaked in fear

You will get a sick educing feeling when you hear
Voices singing virtually, to be safe
Let’s all enjoy our circuit break

Rockin’ around the Christmas tree
Have a happy holiday
Elbow dancin’ merrily
In the shit new Covid way

274551 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #1323 of 1526 🔗

Love that last verse. Should be in every Christmas card

274574 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Laura Suckling, 14, #1324 of 1526 🔗

And so this is Christmas,
And what have you done?
Fucked the UK over
And pissed off everyone
And so this is Christmas
With minimal fun
That’s why, Mr Johnson,
You’re now on the run.

A very, Merry Christmas
And a Happy New Year –
No building back better
You’re out on your ear.

Goodbye Bozo,
No more Bojo
Lockdown’s over now-ow

274586 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to OKUK, 9, #1325 of 1526 🔗

I’m dreaming of a shite Christmas
Unlike the ones I used to know

274592 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to James007, 3, #1326 of 1526 🔗

this is a rich seam indeed

274627 ▶▶ Howie59, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1327 of 1526 🔗

Masquerading Churchill hides his face away
To say we’re doing splendidly.
But it’s miserable out here on the streets
Marching to and from Marble Arch.
Oh I say it’s tough, I have had enough
(How) can we stop the cavalry?

274544 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 32, #1328 of 1526 🔗

.

274556 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1329 of 1526 🔗

I’m not comfortable with that, apparently, that’s all we need to say now.

274600 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1330 of 1526 🔗

That’s all MORE people need to say now.

274545 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 23, #1331 of 1526 🔗

Anyone else reckon the BBC is massively over compliant and non challenging because government wanted / threatened to cut their funding before events in March 2020 took over? Just a thought I had. They, the BBC, used to be quite consistently critical of government, but that was in another time, before March 2020.

274557 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to theanalyst, 9, #1332 of 1526 🔗

The BBC has been lying for the government for a long time. WMD’s? for example. Syria, all the terrorism stuff….lie lie lie lie lie lie……

274618 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1333 of 1526 🔗

The BBC have been lying for the government at least as far back as 1941 when George Orwell worked there. 1984 was based in part on his experience of the censorship network built into the BBC.

274558 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to theanalyst, 6, #1334 of 1526 🔗

Definitely. They want to keep that gravy train a-rolling.

274578 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1335 of 1526 🔗

Yeah. I just remembered having a job interview with the BBC 26 years ago for an Internal IT Audit job. Bearded bloke who interviewed me was a right political idiot. He did nothing for a living.

He also reminded me of the Uni Docs and Profs I left in their little rooms in the University building a few years earlier. Inadequate personalities, most of them. Seemed like small fish in a tiny pond.

Have no idea why people like this are now a allowed platform to dictate to us.

Boris and his hundreds of Tory mates are a bit weak and stupid to be led by people like this.

274583 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1336 of 1526 🔗

You have it the wrong way.The media have done the Governments bidding all along.

274567 ▶▶ Julian, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1338 of 1526 🔗

Possibly

I am pretty sure though that they hate the Tories and would happily turn on them if the government suddenly announced the pandemic was over and we’re to get back to normal.

Can anyone seriously see them cheerleading for a do-nothing approach with the same vigour as they do for the current approach?

274571 ▶▶ jb12, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1339 of 1526 🔗

The BBC’s goals and the Great Reset are one and the same.

274591 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jb12, 2, #1340 of 1526 🔗

Strictly speaking, that’s objectively true, 100%, with no deviation at all. However, the BBC’s Disinformation Tsarina, Marianna Spring, has all the legitimate facts at her disposal and can tell you that’s a “nurng-nah” – conspiracy theory. Yikes!

274593 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to jb12, 2, #1341 of 1526 🔗

I used to dismiss the Great Reset but am starting to come around. Its all just a bit too weird and illogical otherwise.

274667 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1342 of 1526 🔗

I’ve been on a similar journey. As James Delingpole says “It’s not a conspiracy theory if they are telling you about it”! But this is the good thing about totalitarians, they always want to tell you their plans whether it’s Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Osama Bin laden or MrAH. They usually write long screeds teling you what they are planning.

274598 ▶▶ Howie59, replying to theanalyst, #1343 of 1526 🔗

The BBC changed for good in 2003 when they were put in their place after Andrew Gilligan published his piece on the ‘sexed up’ dossier. They have behaved like a scared puppy dog ever since.

Funny how Gilligan managed to rise from the ashes and is now advising the PM on transport.

274679 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1344 of 1526 🔗

It’s more likely that they have a charter that says they must, in times of national crisis follow the Government line. Add into this their left leaning bias and millennial woke force, sorry I mean work force, and you have a really sorry state of affairs.

274554 gina, replying to gina, 16, #1345 of 1526 🔗

As people are sharing their emails to MP’s here’s mine – the third this week. I wrote a long, impassioned common law rights email earlier, to which one of his minions sent a barely literate reply. I asked in return, who wrote said reply and who actually read emails sent. Deafening silence…
Seeing Peter Hitchens appeal I’ve had another go.
As people are sharing here it is:

Dear Sir,
Do not ‘shirk your duty.’ Vote against this new tier system.

There is enough solid scientific evidence available now to make a lie of the current government claims and policies.
If you cannot find it for yourself, there are millions of us who would be only to happy to provide you with the necessary resources.

There is no excuse at this time, for not being independently well informed as to the harms of tiers and lockdowns. You do not need a cost/ benefit analysis from ministers who have publicly displayed their blatant willingness to knowingly present false and incorrect data to MPs and the public, in support of their public health policies. We have seen their method of ‘cherry picking’ evidence in support of actions they have already privately decided upon – regardless of the costs or objections of MP’s and the well being and ancient rights of the people. We have seen them do this with our own eyes.

Vote against this new range of measures – lockdown by another name. Vote instead for a return to what was the best of our country: the restitution of the common law, the right to assembly, to live and travel without interference from the State. Vote for rational, evidence based, well established public health protocols. Vote for the rights of every man and woman to earn an honest living and take responsibility for their family. Vote for the rights of children to a consistent, uninterrupted education.Vote for the return of our artistic and and cultural life in all its forms.

Your vote will be noted. If you are willing to condemn millions to unemployment and the misery of poverty, you should expect that in their turn, the people will subject you to the loss of your current, handsomely paid employment, as their MP, at the first available opportunity.

Yours sincerely,
Georgina Dunn

Duncan Baker’s reply was that I had to understand that this vote was on whether to put tiers in place and that he was very disappointed that we were not in tier one!
Useless, patronising, twerp! Let the tumbrels roll…

274572 ▶▶ Julian, replying to gina, 3, #1346 of 1526 🔗

It’s not a response that bears much logical scrutiny, but it’s something to build on. We’d rather all MPs saw this for what it is, but if being in the wrong tier starts to make them doubt and question the logic behind the governments actions then it starts to undermine the impression that there is a “science” to be followed obediently and without question, and that SAGE are all-knowing, and we get to more pragmatic territory

274594 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #1347 of 1526 🔗

Unfortunately, even if they’ve finally managed to wake up this weekend, they have only one day to persuade the executive to give them a fair question to vote on.
What are the odds?

274588 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to gina, 2, #1348 of 1526 🔗

I suspect most of them will fall for the obvious ruse to make this all about “only” being in tier one, while the rest of the coronabollox continues unabated.

Stinky red herrings and smog-thick smokescreens only.
(Smogthick backbenchers too, unfortunately.)

274609 ▶▶ Richard, replying to gina, 1, #1349 of 1526 🔗

He is my MP too – had a first very positive discussion with him but since then has just stuck to re-gurgitating government lines and coming up with excuses. Anyway – good to know another sceptic in the area !!

274697 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Richard, #1350 of 1526 🔗

Yes indeed – hello there.

274569 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #1352 of 1526 🔗

But NHS communications experts suggested privately that the footballer Marcus Rashford , who is widely admired for his child food poverty campaign, which has forced two government U-turns, and members of the royal family would be ideal recruits.

FFS!

274573 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1353 of 1526 🔗

How about Prince Andrew?

274638 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alice, 4, #1354 of 1526 🔗

Well, he’s certainly injected a few (young) people in his time. 😉

274684 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Alice, 3, #1355 of 1526 🔗

Or Prince Philip: “Load of stuff and nonsense…look at me – I’m nearly dead, I can think of a lot worse things than Covid to carry a chap off. The clap for instance, like Winston’s pa. Horrible! I did a lot of shagging in my time…there but for the grace of God and all that…..but that’s another story. Thing is I ain’t having this bloody stupid nonsense vaccine.”

274676 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1356 of 1526 🔗

Multi millionaire Marcus. Been a United player since he was 7. Doubt he missed many lunches.

274580 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1357 of 1526 🔗

This was discussed by SPI B months ago.UK Column highlighted it.

274590 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1358 of 1526 🔗

Wait until the soaps start pushing it. Sums up how gullible the people are.

274637 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 5, #1359 of 1526 🔗

Soaps are such good ethical guides aren’t they?

You should hit people who anger you. It’s fine as long as you apologise at some point.

You don’t have to work hard in life to get on – good jobs come along and require only minimal training.

Younger people are generally wiser than older people.

Children don’t suffer much when parents break up.

Most people who are religious don’t follow the principles of their religion and prefer to follow secular values.

Etc!

274648 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, 3, #1360 of 1526 🔗

Nobody owns a washing machine in Albert square.

274659 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, #1361 of 1526 🔗

Lol!

274602 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #1362 of 1526 🔗

The more people rush to the front of the queues on the say-so of a (no doubt handsomely rewarded) know-nothing, the better it suits me. It gives me time to evaluate the risk/benefit ratio, which at this point seems to be unknowable.
Maybe I’m selfish, or maybe I’m altruistic in saving ‘our’ NHS a huge bill for looking after me when it all goes teets-up.

274623 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1363 of 1526 🔗

You don’t have to justify your choice. Bodily integrity is a natural right, not one bestowed on you by government. Your body, your choice. No need to explain your choices.

274581 Ben, replying to Ben, 6, #1364 of 1526 🔗

‘Disgusting police behaviour yesterday gets reported on sky news Australia but can’t even be covered by our own news stations’

https://twitter.com/ClareWills9/status/1333087540203630592?s=20

274597 ▶▶ Peter Walker, replying to Ben, 1, #1365 of 1526 🔗

It was all covered on the BBC website this morning but had mysteriously disappeared by lunchtime! You really couldn’t make it up…..

Peter.

274616 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 1, #1366 of 1526 🔗

Ofcom won’t let them.

274582 Cruella, 2, #1367 of 1526 🔗

That quote from Boris is the most condescending, infantile tripe I have ever read.Does he really think we’re that dumb?It literally sounds like a child has written it intending to impress their teacher with all the ‘wow’ words they’ve used. It is the most unscientific, emotional, meaningless horse shite. As for the Christmas advice from SAGE, are these people fucking insane!!My favourite is the ‘put your Granny by the open window’ recommendation. We wanted to know where Grandpa was, we figured he’s in the coal skuttle or under the stairs. Morons, morons, morons,morons.

274584 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 11, #1368 of 1526 🔗

We three kings of Covid are
Bearing laws we traverse afar
Masks dictates. jabs from Bill Gates
Following yonder star

We three kings, we three kings

Appointed Kings in Westminster’s plain
Gold I bring to bribe them again
King forever, ceasing never
Over us all to reign

Oh, contracts of cronies, bribes of night
Mates with privilege of right
Westward leading, still proceeding
Guide us to thy perfect light

We three kings, we three kings

Contract is mine, it’s crony perfume
Lucre in life of gathering gloom
Grabbing growing, amassing Increasing
Sealed in the coffers of power

Oh, contracts of cronies, bribes of night
Mates with privilege of right
Westward leading, still proceeding
Guide us to thy perfect light

274587 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #1369 of 1526 🔗

specially enjoying ‘crony perfume’: the stink of moral and conceptual corruption

274614 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Alethea, 4, #1370 of 1526 🔗

Yep – crony perfume is a good phrase. The media spray it liberally on those they love. Jo Brand wants you to throw acid over Nigel Farage. Give her a squirt of crony perfume and tell the plebs she’s just a lovable, eccentric aunty figure. Frankie Boyle used to tell horribly cruel jokes about physically and mentally disabled children… well squirt him with that sweet-smelling crony perfume now he’s surrendered to the surrounding PC forces: he’s just a cheeky chappy.

274630 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #1371 of 1526 🔗

You need to release an album, Laura.

Now That’s What I Call Covid!

Featuring: Matt & The Vaccines; (The SAGE) Bros; Mad Nad (& Bojo’s Dad)…

274693 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1372 of 1526 🔗

Also featured Shakin’ Stevens (he was first in the queue for the vaccine).

274694 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, #1373 of 1526 🔗

LOL!

274595 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1374 of 1526 🔗

Serco NHS T&T app watch – latest report.

5 star review from Vince Beckett ( found among all the 1 and 2 star reviews ):

I installed this app to protect my elderly mother as I am a essential worker . App has worked well with no issues. I had to attended a work training course as part of my job role , unfortunately someone on my course has since tested positive. The app informed me two days before I received email confirmation from the training company to self-isolate hopefully this two days prior notice may have saved my mother’s life .

I wonder who Vince works for. 😉

274604 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1375 of 1526 🔗

Should we have a sweepstake?

274671 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to leggy, 1, #1376 of 1526 🔗

£1000 she don’t die.

274682 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to leggy, 2, #1377 of 1526 🔗

My friend had a bet with me that I’d never have a BBQ with one of Sooty’s best friends. I said that sounds like a Sweep stake.

274642 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1378 of 1526 🔗

Disney?

274670 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1379 of 1526 🔗

Why has Vince concluded his mummy would die ? Bit of a stretch for Vinny to conclude that. See you next Tuesday Vin.

274596 BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1380 of 1526 🔗

A good thread on how masks can act as a nebuliser to make matters worse
https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1320032362550464516

274607 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #1381 of 1526 🔗

So, at a total loss with the half Covidian/half sceptic closest to home I promised ‘As soon as our lives are back to normal long term I will offer my deepest apologies for ‘going on’ and beg your forgiveness; on the understanding that normal is not predicated on either of us ‘selfishly’ choosing not to have a vaccine we don’t want’.
I don’t hold out much hope. Please tell me I’m overdramatising.

274613 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #1382 of 1526 🔗

None of my business but seeing as you ask I don’t think you should apologise for speaking up on the most important issue ever to face most of us in our lifetimes and arguably the most profound peacetime crisis this country has ever faced

People who have not made much effort to consider this issue and inform themselves should be apologising, not you

274650 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 3, #1383 of 1526 🔗

…I don’t think you should apologise…

+1

274660 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Julian, 2, #1384 of 1526 🔗

I have more time on my hands to
research this crap whilst they do have a full time stressful job to turn on to 5 days a week, hence I’m sensitive to not sending them (taking them with me) over the edge. Yet can’t unknow what I believe or share with them.

274680 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1385 of 1526 🔗

Not sure I could claim my job is stressful but it’s full time – and I am sure lots of others on here work full time. It’s about how interested you are, or I suspect whether you are up for facing the truth (I think many strongly suspect the truth but find it too horrible to face, subconsciously).

And in truth does it really take that much research? You just need to look at all cause mortality to see that it’s not what it was cracked up to be.

274688 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Julian, #1386 of 1526 🔗

I suspect your assertion to not wanting to face the truth given it’s so/too out there.

274608 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #1387 of 1526 🔗

Ethically, I am unable to take the vaccine as its been tested on animals.

274619 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1388 of 1526 🔗

Fair enough, my excuse will be Shark Lives Matter.

274620 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to DRW, 3, #1389 of 1526 🔗

And there’s more……

274622 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1390 of 1526 🔗

Seems like a lot of the current ones went straight to human testing.

274709 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1391 of 1526 🔗

That’s not the highest on my list of ethical concerns; it’s been concocted from cells from an aborted foetus. Even FullFact accept that this is the case.

274759 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1392 of 1526 🔗

Is that true for other medicines too? Even the vegan and vegetarian societies recommend taking the medicines any condition might need despite animal testing (which is a legal requirement).

274610 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1393 of 1526 🔗

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St SARS-CoV-2 Testing: Sensitivity Is Not the Whole Story
 US article discussing the difficulties with mass testing with antigen tests as suggested by UK government.The usual problems with many false positive in low endemic situation and horrendous costs.

274661 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1394 of 1526 🔗

This article discusses such issues and suggests a way to eliminate useless results.

It is in relation to Australia’s situation specifically but offers some sensible points that an MP would like as its a bit of middle ground. It wouldn’t even come close to what most on here would want granted

Accuracy amidst ambiguity: false positive SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid tests when COVID-19 prevalence is low (rcpa.edu.au)

274621 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 28, #1395 of 1526 🔗

A Dutch friend just posted this on fb. The translation isn’t brilliant but you’ll get the gist. “Mouth cap” obviously means face nappy.

“BREAKIN’ NEWS!!
From the weekly meeting of the council of ministers it has been leaked that next Tuesday, December 1, the cabinet will announce the already determined decision that the behavioral experiment on the urgent advice on wearing a mouth cap will NOT be converted into an obligation, but that this advice will be lifted correctly. Feel free to take off your mouth cap and safely store it in the garbage bucket.
The cabinet has concluded that the experiment regarding wearing face masks has failed and has agreed to the enormous increase in objections to this experiment in society regarding this urgent advice and imminent obligation.
Because this news won’t be officially revealed until Tuesday, there will be no announcement about this in today’s press conference.”
Waiting for this good decision!

274629 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1396 of 1526 🔗

I’m still waiting for one of these:

1) Country decides masks are not effective and no longer enforces compliance.
2) Huge spike in infections and deaths
3) This proves that masks clearly do work after all, therefore become mandatory for everyone, everywhere for ever more.

274639 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to leggy, 3, #1397 of 1526 🔗

Not enough ‘dry tinder,’ to use that horrible phrase, for any huge spike of deaths. Obviously, any government with a will can pull a spike of infections out of its colon as big as you like.

274653 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ovis, 4, #1398 of 1526 🔗

Huge numbers of people are being dried out by lockdowns. We already know deaths from other causes are being attributed to covid.

274666 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to leggy, 1, #1399 of 1526 🔗

Yes, but why would there be a spike? And how could the ending of gimp gags be timed to precede it in such a way as to look like causation? So far regimes have been very bad at timing their lockdowns to catch turns of the curve.

274678 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ovis, 2, #1400 of 1526 🔗

Quite, Ovis.

274706 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, #1401 of 1526 🔗

Why ‘horrible phrase’? Can you think of better to describe the phenomenon?

274717 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to RickH, #1402 of 1526 🔗

Horrible, because it’s not very nice to liken people to dry sticks; no, I can’t think of a better phrase, which is why I used that one.

274645 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, #1403 of 1526 🔗

Your meaning is unclear. What do you mean by “one of these” when it looks like you mean all three happening sequentially. But why then would 2 happen? Please explain.

274651 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, #1404 of 1526 🔗

I mean the incident of all three happening.

274656 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, #1405 of 1526 🔗

So why would 2 happen?

274662 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, #1406 of 1526 🔗

Mass testing + FPR, mass lockdown casualties.

274675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, 1, #1407 of 1526 🔗

But you’ve got those already while people have been masked so taking off masks will have zero effect. Perhaps you’re just trying to smuggle in a negative, demoralising idea there.

274685 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, #1408 of 1526 🔗

I’m certainly more than a bit cynical at the moment.

I feel better for having watched this though. Valencia.

https://www.facebook.com/1535982816520396/posts/3497621913689800/

274691 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, #1409 of 1526 🔗

You’re not actually making any sense tonight and no thanks to the link.

274779 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, #1410 of 1526 🔗

Why would you want that? You’re evidently sick!

274646 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1411 of 1526 🔗

The cabinet has concluded that the experiment regarding wearing face masks has failed…

“Experiment”? That’s about right, I reckon; one of many being run on us at the moment.

274673 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1412 of 1526 🔗

Mass wearing of face coverings has never been tried so it is experimental.

Of course, those conducting the experiment don’t care about the medical results, only the compliance with fascism

274726 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 1, #1413 of 1526 🔗

“We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. . . It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis. One might argue that fear and anxiety are better countered with data and education than with a marginally beneficial mask.”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

274652 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1414 of 1526 🔗

This would be fantastic news.

274654 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1415 of 1526 🔗

Excellent news – Netherlands, like Sweden, is a country the MSM find difficult to write off.

274683 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1416 of 1526 🔗

Perhaps they’ve realised that they work about as well as a Dutch cap. This information should be included in the Blameless Shagging Bit above.

274633 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 37, #1417 of 1526 🔗

Saw this on zerohedge:-

If the masks work—Why the six feet?

If the six feet works—Why the masks?

If both of the above work—Why the lockdowns?

If all three of the above work—Why the vaccine?

If the vaccine is safe—Why protect it with a no liability clause?

If the vaccine is safe—Why not test it on animals first before using it on humans?

If SARS-CoV-2 exists—Why has it never been isolated?

If SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated—How can an effective vaccine be developed?

If the RT-PCR test works—Why so many false positives?

If Kary Mullis, the inventor of the RT-PCR test who conveniently died in August 2019, says his test shouldn’t be used to diagnose infectious diseases—Why use it to detect SARS-CoV-2?

If there is an epidemic—Why so many empty hospitals?

If large numbers of people are dying from SARS-CoV-2—Why so many fake causes of death on death certificates?

If SARS-CoV-2 exists—Why give doctors financial incentives to diagnose SARS-CoV-2?

If the official COVID-19 narrative is defensible—Why censor people who dispute this narrative?

(Source: John Wear, retired lawyer, accountant and regular author of The Barnes Review Journal)

274641 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1418 of 1526 🔗

“Too logical Mr Spock…Scotty, advance to Warped Lockdown 3!”

274644 ▶▶ richmond, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1419 of 1526 🔗

Excellent work Mr Wear. Excellent work.

274664 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1420 of 1526 🔗

Succinct rationalisation of the whole thing.

274689 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, #1421 of 1526 🔗

Whose rationalisation?

274739 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1422 of 1526 🔗

To perpetuate the illusion of danger from an unseen virus. No masks, no signs, no social distancing means no fear – life goes on as normal.

And to make life miserable so we surrender and accept the WEF’s new terms for living – endless vaccines and immunity passports/digital ID.

We are under attack. The aim is to enslave us using Pharma and tech.

274640 richmond, replying to richmond, 16, #1423 of 1526 🔗

Newcastle United have received another two positive Covid tests and are now waiting nervously to learn whether they have suffered a mass infection within the first-team squad.

Because if they have they will all have to self-isolate. Not because they may all die. Serves them right for agreeing to take the tests in the first place.

274649 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to richmond, 3, #1424 of 1526 🔗

Be fair, naked greed for more millions is a powerful motivating force. Ask Marcus.

274794 ▶▶ Ben, replying to richmond, 1, #1425 of 1526 🔗

Cristiano Ronaldo had three separate PCR tests – all positive. He called the PCR tests bull sh*t. He’s right

274647 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1426 of 1526 🔗

A retraction letter sent to Eurosurveillance regarding the key PCR Dorsten authored paper:

Retraction request letter to Eurosurveillance editorial board – CORMAN-DROSTEN REVIEW REPORT

It is said their protocol is followed by 70% of the PCR Tests that are in use.

The background to this retraction request is going into court cases in Netherlands and Germany.

274674 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1428 of 1526 🔗

And yet another example of the basis on which our ‘misled’ government could change the (government paid MSM) narrative and lead us out of this mess.

The fact they won’t debunks the ‘prove L1 was necessary/incompetent Boris/SAGE’ defence.

274702 ▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1429 of 1526 🔗

A further very important crack in the narrative.

274793 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1430 of 1526 🔗

From what I know, Drosten is the bad guy in all of this

274686 wayno, replying to wayno, 2, #1431 of 1526 🔗

Please watch this. It might not appeal to everyone but the guys behind it were supposed to get it on amazon prime but apparently it breaks the coronavirus legislation. Behind a pay wall of 59p so I’m sure you guys can stretch to it. Oh and I’m in it 😃 https://vimeo.com/ondemand/covidconspiracy?fbclid=IwAR2vxwx3MC7KqeKzWuUd8pk1-0pr9GMmmPoD4xBkt4bXoFw6_zh9bWoLX4g

274692 ▶▶ leggy, replying to wayno, 1, #1432 of 1526 🔗

Thanks, watched the trailed will be back to watch the rest. Not surprised that Amazon won’t touch it 🙂

274696 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to leggy, 1, #1433 of 1526 🔗

They commissioned it though,legals apparently weren’t happy with Mr gates name being mentioned

274690 leggy, replying to leggy, -1, #1434 of 1526 🔗

Posted in replies below, but well worth a watch. How protests should be policed. In Spain too. Sorry for FB link, not sure if it’s elsewhere.

https://www.facebook.com/1535982816520396/posts/3497621913689800/

274698 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, #1435 of 1526 🔗

What’s the point of posting that unless you approve of the police -and maybe the army in your case – being part of a system preventing people from enjoying their natural rights as human beings?

274705 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, -2, #1436 of 1526 🔗

Are you against protests where people aren’t arrested? I’m all for them, especially where it appears some police may be on the right side. Anyway, I’m not here to argue.

274708 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, #1437 of 1526 🔗

You’re not here to argue? Lol So why do you keep putting up pro lockdown propaganda on a lockdown sceptics site. Just be honest and clear about your views rather than using these deceptive strategies.

274727 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, -1, #1438 of 1526 🔗

Pro lockdown propaganda? Come again?

274755 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, 1, #1439 of 1526 🔗

Yes pro lockdown propaganda. Every time. Quite subtle I grant you but you never say for instance “lockdowns don’t work” in unambiguous fashion
Because that’s not your job here.

274774 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #1440 of 1526 🔗

Oh yeah and you couldn’t explain why you were expecting a huge rise in Covid deaths once
masks were made mandatory,

274775 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #1441 of 1526 🔗

Non-mandatory…my mistake.

274783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, #1442 of 1526 🔗

You need to lay off the shrooms mate. I don’t need to state that lockdowns don’t work, it’s clear to everyone here that they’ll kill far many more than this virus ever will. That’s before even considering the hideous amounts of other collateral damage.

274695 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1443 of 1526 🔗

Just seen some videos of protestors in Paris yesterday and made me think of this song from Les Miserables:

Do You Hear the People Sing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q82twrdr0U

Do you hear the people sing?

Singing a song of angry men?

It is the music of a people

Who will not be slaves again

When the beating of your heart

Echoes the beating of the drums

There is a life about to start

When tomorrow comes…

274707 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1444 of 1526 🔗

It is time for us all
To decide who we are
Do we fight for the right
To a night at the opera now?
Have you asked of yourselves
What’s the price you might pay?
Is this simply a game
For a rich young boy to play?
The colours of the world
Are changing day by day

Red: the blood of angry men!
Black: the dark of ages past!
Red: a world about to dawn!
Black: the night that ends at last!

274710 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1445 of 1526 🔗

Is that Russell Crowe playing Hancock? He looks baffled enough not to know what’s going on.

274787 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1446 of 1526 🔗

There’s a song from Les Miserables called ‘Empty Chairs And Empty Tables’ (I think). With all the pub, restaurant and cafe closures that are happening right now, the song keeps popping into my head. The lyrics are so pertinent

Do politicians know their own voting choices are destroying life – and the not the ‘virus’? They alone are responsible

274703 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 2, #1447 of 1526 🔗

“Some of the statistics used to justify the lockdown have been extremely selective and tendentious” – Lord Sumption. So, just out of interest, what exactly are they playing at? (Presumably something along the lines of running scared of the fear porn put out by the msm).

And are those plastic visor things any better than cloth masks, and is there any proper evidence that either are effective for general use by the public in preventing the spread of cv? (For an acquaintance).

274711 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hugh, 7, #1448 of 1526 🔗

Visors are good if you use a chainsaw or an angle grinder. That’s ALL they are good for. Wearing one to stop the covids is INSANE.

274752 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1450 of 1526 🔗

Thanks for that, interesting stuff. I got a bit of a roasting for not wearing a face covering at the funeral – I’m exempt so far as I understand the rules(I reluctantly put a scarf over my face as I took my seat – nowhere near anyone outside my household). Apparently I don’t care about other people as there were vulnerable people in attendance. So far as I’m concerned though, I didn’t cough on anyone, I didn’t stand near anyone, and I didn’t have symptoms of infectious disease anyway, so I’m not convinced there was any great problem.

274772 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hugh, #1451 of 1526 🔗

Definitely no problem. Keep up the good work.

274806 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cheezilla, #1452 of 1526 🔗

Thanks!

274720 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Hugh, 1, #1453 of 1526 🔗

is there any proper evidence that either are effective” Nope.

This week an outbreak in a Swiss hotel affected staffers wearing only face shields…” https://abcnews.go.com/Health/face-shields-replace-masks-experts-hope-work-resort/story?id=72092931

274731 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1454 of 1526 🔗

That’s as obvious as the nose on your face ffs

274721 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Hugh, 3, #1455 of 1526 🔗

It would be patently obvious, even to a person of limited intelligence, that a visor cannot possibly prevent the wearer from breathing the same air as everyone else. If someone were to cough directly in your face, droplets might end up on it but the accompanying aerosols clearly wouldn’t be inhibited. They are arguably less effective than say a surgical mask (cloth masks are more prone to harbouring and thus transmitting infection) which are also useless for all practical purposes when worn by the public. This is because they are largely incapable of stopping viral particles due to their size and any gaps give rise to leakage jets which tend to carry further than normal (unforced) exhalation.

274728 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1456 of 1526 🔗

I see a lot of weirdos now wearing both. Outside….

274736 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1457 of 1526 🔗

They’re either taking the piss or completely terrified, silly sods.

274773 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1458 of 1526 🔗

Never understimate the power of the fearporn.

274791 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1459 of 1526 🔗

No indeed. Thankfully most people here either rapidly produce antibodies for it or have previously acquired immunity from the global warming scam.

274704 Hieronimusb, 15, #1460 of 1526 🔗

Just watched Paris yesterday, the only thing they needed masks for was the teargas. The huge protests in many parts of Europe offer us hope and will hopefully inspire us to put our foot down with a firm hand in UK.

274712 Darryl, 3, #1461 of 1526 🔗

The Times fully supports violence against anti-lockdown protestors in London. However it isn’t so keen on police violence in France, the same out of control aggressive behaviour has been present for months in the UK. Time to retrain the Territorial Support Group before they kill someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTEG8gu3U68
Police Brutally Beat Black Man For Not Wearing A Mask, Welcome To the Dystopia

274713 OKUK, 2, #1462 of 1526 🔗

Tonight’s theme. “Sensible Celebrities”…or should it be “Bribable Celebrities”. Could we get a crowd funded legal action against these low IQ celebs that they are posing as medical advisors to the potential detriment of public health.

Here’s my starter list for “Sceptical Celebrities”: “Ian Brown, Liam Gallagher, Johnny Rotten, Laurence Fox …

274718 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1463 of 1526 🔗

So, where do we go from here?

All of the institutions of our society are now heavily invested in the official narrative. The decisions that they have made, have had such negative effects on so many people that they have no way back that does not involve a complete loss of face and credibility, not to mention legal liability and personal consequences.

There is no going back.

Therefore they will go forward.

However, the narrative is now crumbling on so many fronts that only ever-increasing censorship and authoritarian policing can keep things going for them in the short term. The downside of these is that they cost the system even more credibility and support in the long term.

I think the public will more or less tolerate the covid measures until Spring. As the weather warms up – bringing more people outside – and the economy deteriorates, we can expect impatience to massively grow, By that time it will also be clear that vaccinations do not mean the end of the covid measures, intensifying the mood.

The only way that this ends now is with some social and economic cataclysm that sweeps the present system away.

The guy who runs http://www.coronacircus.com actually speculates that that is the plan, that our rulers want us to rebel in order to bring about the end of our current system, in particular our current monetary system, the destruction of which would then be based on current events, rather than the huge debts and imbalances which have developed within it over the past 50 years.

274753 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 6, #1464 of 1526 🔗

I hope politics and protest will make the difference before then.

I was much encouraged when the wonderful Desmond Swayne MP spoke up. I said all we needed to make a real difference is 40 rebel
Tory MPs. We’ve got more than that now and they are already getting concessions.

At the same time the protests on the street and the dissent in the media is making itself felt.

All is not lost yet.

274765 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 3, #1465 of 1526 🔗

I get the impression that the “concessions” amount to nitpicking about tiers.
I hope it’s more fundamental than that!

274781 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1466 of 1526 🔗

Yep – those are quite petty concessions designed to buy off dissent, but all the while the hard core of rebels is growing. Why not rebel if you know for certain you will lose your seat as an MP if you allow Bozo to continue with his crazy lockdown policies.

274719 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 16, #1467 of 1526 🔗

One of the worst things is losing friends who you’ve known for years because they have been sucked into the vortex that is a pseudo-epidemic and who attack you.

274724 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 9, #1468 of 1526 🔗

The good thing for all of us is that it will eventually become abundantly cleart to all that it was a pseudo.epidemic.

I think the deconstruction of the narrative is quickening.

Make a note of those friends so that you can later say: “I told you so”,

274770 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to calchas, 2, #1469 of 1526 🔗

i can’t wait , i have a long list

274780 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to calchas, 2, #1470 of 1526 🔗

Worth remembering that if you give in to that temptation you have almost certainly lost a friend for good, which may or may not matter. Better to reinforce their newly acquired knowledge and welcome them back to the land of the living, you can always change your mind about the friendship later!

274723 malasdair, replying to malasdair, 4, #1471 of 1526 🔗

There appears to be experts that still claim that only a small percentage of the population has been exposed to the virus (presumably because of lockdowns, masks, etc.), making it impossible that herd immunity has been attained. Given how virulent the virus supposedly is, does this make any sense? This seems contradictory to me, but I’m hoping that experts in virology etc can chime in on this.

Thank you

274732 ▶▶ calchas, replying to malasdair, 4, #1472 of 1526 🔗

No, it doesn’t make sense.

Considerable cross-immunity, stemming from exposure to previous coronaviruses, and based on T.cells already existed. A study out of Tübingen University in the summer, showed that around 60 to 70 % already had this immunity.

This is confirmed by the empirical data of 2020.

274740 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to malasdair, 1, #1473 of 1526 🔗

Are you serious? Or are you just trolling?

274848 ▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to OKUK, #1474 of 1526 🔗

Not trolling. I’m having an argument about it with a doctor in Canada. Or so he claims.

274743 ▶▶ leggy, replying to malasdair, 3, #1475 of 1526 🔗

Not just herd immunity from this, but cross immunity from other pathogens is clear. I don’t know how anyone party to the data can deny it and keep a straight face.

274750 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, #1476 of 1526 🔗

“It” “this”’… why are you never specific?

274788 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, 2, #1477 of 1526 🔗

Because typing this is easier than typing SARS-Cov-2. Is that ok with you?

274762 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to malasdair, 6, #1478 of 1526 🔗

Not just contradictory, it’s complete bullshit and you can be certain that their only expertise is in flat out lying to serve an agenda. You cannot stop a circulating respiratory virus/pathogen, end of. Lockdowns demonstrably haven’t worked, may have slowed spread but have caused untold harm, and it is most likely that up to 50% of the population already had cross-reactive T-cell immunity from previous exposure to coronaviruses. Viz Ivor Cummins, Mike Yeadon, John Lee et al.

274735 Darryl, 1, #1479 of 1526 🔗

Live Free or Die – Lockdowns and Covid vs Freedomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGd8Lhe8QrM

Good update from Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen. A rare voice of sanity.

274741 chrissie, replying to chrissie, 10, #1480 of 1526 🔗

I found a german transcript of what Ralf Ludwig, the lawyer of the German Querdenker said in a speech on 18 nov, and here it is google translated (he said in germany the pandemy is over bc according to the new law, only 10% of all pcr test positive could really be infectious):
“Section 28a, paragraph 2 of the Infection Protection Act, the new section, actually helps us because it says that measures are only permitted if there are infections. But there are no infections in this country. There are only test positives! That means, I have just read now that the Federal President has signed the law and with that de Jura the pandemic is over. Because from tomorrow the health authorities will have to prove that there are not only test positives, but that those who have a positive PCR test also have a so-called cultivable agent, i.e. H. that what was found there can be cultivated and thus infectious. If this is not the case, there is no infection and if there is no infection, there must be no action. And that is required from tomorrow because it is now in the law. And every employee in the health department can look forward to it, because he is liable to prosecution if he does not do so now from tomorrow. And that means we will push for it from tomorrow, similar to what it was in Portugal. The Portuguese Court of Appeal has all lifted the quarantine measures on the grounds: We only have a PCR test and a PCR test does not detect any infection.

Every court in Germany will have to argue with exactly the same reason from tomorrow and if they don’t do that, then that’s proof that it’s completely right to take to the streets with many more people, because then it won’t work at all more, not even in their minds about health. So far they could say: “We didn’t know”. With this law no judge can say from tomorrow: I didn’t know ”. From tomorrow on, no policeman can say: “I didn’t know”. Because everyone of the policemen standing here can simply take a look at the Infection Protection Act. There you give z. For example, just go to Google IFSG, which is the Infection Protection Act and look for §2 number 2. It says what an infection is. And then you will know that there is no infection in this country. There is no infection! And if there is no infection, then there is no action. This means that all measures that are taken from tomorrow (November 19th, 2020) violate the Infection Protection Act! That means, all measures from tomorrow are illegal!

274747 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to chrissie, 2, #1481 of 1526 🔗

WoooooHoooo!

274748 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to chrissie, 2, #1482 of 1526 🔗

Good news indeed.

274749 ▶▶ chrissie