2020-11-30

First!!

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‘We’re No Strangers To R’

We talk about the R number. Danish Mask Study. London Protests and much more.

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New group set up by UK doctors and scientists
https://www.ukmedfreedom.org/
https://www.facebook.com/UK-Medical-Freedom-Alliance-105404128050400
https://twitter.com/UKMFA1
http://www.medfreedom-int.org/

Has this been flagged yet?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8994911/Town-halls-harvest-millions-personal-details-including-youre-unfaithful-debt.html

Looks like a Chinese-style social credit system could be coming sooner than we think. Unless we stop it!

Scary, and annoying.

Thanks, new to me.
On the subject of data harvesting.
I’ve been watching a TV series that features a novel deadly virus, big pharma coming up with a novel vaccine and big tech launching a surveillance system that makes Track’n’Trace look like taking the school register.

The star is Benedict Cumberbatch as a nerdy mathematics genius entirely lacking in inter-personal skills brought in by big tech to add kudos to their tracking scheme which includes everyone’s details about everything (self financing as the algorithms can predict individuals purchasing decisions which can be sold to the private sector).

Set in a near future dystopia with bombs going off (probably planted by MI5), heavily armed police randomly demanding peoples ID, individuals getting disappeared, police brutality against civilians protesting against the new surveillance system.

Cumberbatch is using the tracking system to make his own investigations and we learn that it is not just the virus that is dangerous.
. . The nanotracker within a large batch of the vaccine is killing people whose bodies are highly contagious . . .
Naturally the spooks are tracking every keystroke made by Cumberbatch so he gets cancelled and unable to function in any way in this completly controlled society.

Robert Carlyle also stars as a somewhat redundant rogue spook to add a bit of action to the drama.

BBC MMVIII. The Last Enemy.

The parallels are striking

Does it feature a fucking idiot in charge of everyone’s health?

No, they are only interested in enhancing their various agendas.

It’ll never happen, not in this neighbourhood.
oh…but wait!

Yes entrainment media offers propaganda reinforcement to ‘normalise’ and set the narrative payload as predictive programming. Its also a way of declaring open intentions in a framework that makes taking about them immediately reference a movie etc.

If you watch the push media, be vigilant for the underlying messaging.

The recent but pre-cov novel ‘Malice’ may interest people here. The author died soon after publishing in circumstances that may be questionable.
Dodgy immunisations for a cold? – what an improbable scenario…!

that would make it even more frighteningly realistic

I think that they might be on dodgy ground under the Data Protection Act 2018 which embodies the GDPR. At first glance it would seem as though they are now using data for a purpose for which it wasn’t originally collected.

Notwithstanding that: How would a local council know what your level of debt is?

You’ll forgive me if I don’t find existing legal safeguards particularly reassuring given what we’ve been through the last 8 months. A credit ratings agency would know your level of debt. How would anyone know if you’re engaged in “ unfaithful and unsafe sex “??

And how have they overturned half a century of permissiveness to describe extra-marital sex as ‘immoral’.

I have worked in local government IT for nearly 20 years, and this information would have to come from the revenues & benefits system, the Social work system and the housing system, all globbed together. Almost certainly a violation of GDPR.

Don’t the companies like Experian who do your ‘credit score’ base it on your home address? So it should be a simple matter to marry that database to their council tax one and add the info together.

Can we stop it? We’re not even able to stand in a peaceful group without being assaulted by thugs in uniform.

Can its stop itself?
That is, does it carry the seed of its own destruction as a result of being founded in untruth?

..used to pick up ‘Covid risk factors’ which include debt, domestic violence, mental health, and low income.

Covid risk factors??

. .. socially unacceptable behaviour such as ‘unfaithful and unsafe sex’,

!!!!

….millions of people were being monitored for social distancing as part of a government-backed project secretly rolled out across Britain.

I think you’re absolutely right!

Big Brother Watch sent me an email about. Scary stuff.

Yes, that’s also how I found out about it.

Unless its deceit masked as news

I think we have witnessed the birth of a new religion. I don’t think it matters anymore how many facts and figures we throw at people. They have unshakeable belief that there is a “new deadly virus” that we spread without even having symptoms and that causes a “terrible disease” that anyone can die from. The people I know who believed this in the beginning included journalists, MPs, university professors, medical doctors. I was astonished because I never believed it for one moment. I expected them to have consulted the available evidence by now, and to have come around to a more rational perspective. But no. I think, from the day we were locked down, we were split into two camps. One side thought , “If our freedoms are being removed this must be the DEADLIEST virus ever know to man or they wouldn’t do this.” The other side thought, “This can’t possibly be about a virus, what the hell is going on?!” And we’ve been trying to piece together the picture ever since. And the picture is coming clear. But the other side (containing a frightening number of politicians, teachers, university professors, law enforcers) will NEVER give up their position. You can’t put medical facts in front of a committed Christian and say, “Look that proves a man cannot be dead for three days and come back to life. Nor can a man walk on water.” They have unshakeable faith. But we are not (or were not) a theocracy. You are not obliged to believe Jesus died and came back to life three days later, but you are entitled to if you want. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a short time, as a child. There were very strict rules. You lived under religious rules. We are now living in an even stricter theocracy. And they will suppress and possibly even imprison those who challenge it. Face masks must be worn. The religious will not countenance any challenge as to their effectiveness. Tests must be taken. Vaccines must be administered. It could take hundreds of years for people who do not believe in the covid religion to get their rights back. Where can we go in the meantime? Sweden? Any other suggestions?

My suggestion is you lighten up. We are winning this war. Happy Monday

Fuck off Blackburn. Mattghg is right

Chill Doc. I agree with most of it but am not having the hundreds of years comment. Nonsense. Anyway, hope my fellow sceptics all have a good week. We are approaching the kairotic moment for scepticism.

I think it’s very easy to get disheartened – we all have days when we think this will never be over – but as an understanding of why people seem so rigidly to cling to their belief in the deadliness of Covid (to the point where even those sceptical of lockdown often have to pay lip-service to the idea to get a hearing) I think it has some merit.

As it stands, I do feel something has changed. The way in which the lockdown that was supposed to “save Christmas” has given way to a tier system in which most of the country is more repressed than before has finally woken some people up, especially when the Government then once again tries to spin the idea that the fall in “cases” is down to the measures. It remains to be seen how the vote will go this week, but the noises coming out of the CRG do sound a lot more resistant than previously. I was rather hoping that the Mail would do a big piece yesterday, whether on the PCR test or the financial connections between government ministers and testing/vaccine companies (not that I know there are any, but my gut tells me that’s what Hancock at least is up to), but the fact they have gone sceptical is in itself a huge shift from April.

I also think Simon Heffer’s piece in the Telegraph about rebellion following repression is, in an odd way, a positive thing. Not because we all want a crime wave, but because it shows that – in the West at least – there is always a hidden undercurrent of resistance to tyranny. People may wear the mask, so to speak, but there are many who are just waiting for that moment when they feel the majority are for freedom when they will cross the battlefield and take up the banner. This is why Communism collapsed overnight and it’s why, whenever it happens, this health totalitarianism will too.

Unlike breaking away from communism the people have been sold the lie they’re gonna die and since some of us know that every single person is utterly selfish and only care for themselves (this is fact don’t demean yourself by trying to argue against it because i know you’re lying) they wear the mask because they’re shitting themselves. In the back of their minds they all think maybe there is some truth to this and they don’t want to die so they wear the bloody thing. The state will continue to oppress us for many years now and we won’t be able to stop them. The only answer is the almost total dismantling of the state but since most of us are spineless cowards scared of the day they never saw i can’t see it happening. The only thing to do is to fuck up the functions of the state in any way you can, no matter how small.

I don’t have your negative view of humanity. People are a mixture of good and bad and some lean more one way than the other. Do you think Toby is running this site for selfish reasons or that the creators of the Great Barrington Declaration are putting their academic futures on the line for their own gain? Sure, government has a high proportion of people who are in it for themselves, but that’s because if there is a well-paid job which requires no qualifications whatsoever it’s never going to attract the best of people.

In terms of the fear of death, I think that was a factor in the early days. I remember walking in the forest round here when they first allowed people to drive out for exercise – there were people who would more or less dive into the undergrowth when they saw you coming the other way. Now, with the exception of the odd person in a muzzle, most people are behaving pretty normally. More widely, far fewer people seem to have been observing the second lockdown than the first.

The thing about fear is that it only works if the danger seems clear and present – as time passes and people don’t lose large numbers of friends and family, most begin to put it aside and get on with their lives. There are stories in the Blitz of people behaving in ways that to modern minds seem unbelievably risky (not least Churchill watching the bombing from the roof) but if you’d survived that far it was probably just as easy to believe you were going to make it through to the end. I imagine then, as now, there were people who lived in utter terror, but that wasn’t everybody then and it isn’t now.

I don’t think that it is a negative view of humanity. It depends on what you term a “good” and “bad” and that can only be based on your own personal views.

My view is that people act in their own selfish self-interest whether that is alone or in cooperative groups. Humans only cooperate if they think that there will be a pay off for them in the cooperation.

My sense was that selfish was being used in a pejorative sense, not a genetic one. Dawkins did demonstrate that altruism was a logical outcome of selfish genes, but he was very careful to distinguish the biological impulse from social behaviour. Totalitarian regimes tend to atomise society, attempting to turn individuals against each other and thus destroying their collective sense of commong good. If people were truly selfish, those regimes would not have collapsed in the way they did.

Early programs testing the ”fuck you buddy” hypothesis, by IBM I believe, were tried on the company (female) secretaries who spoiled thinks by being co-operative.
The program designers concluded that the secretaries were unsuitable subjects rather than their model being incorrect.

They believed the model over the evidence? My, how things have changed….

I agree with your sentiments and it is witnessing the courage of the likes of Mike Yeadon, Ivor Cummins, Clare Craig, Ros Jones, Emma Kenney, Molly Knightley, the GBD group, Lord Sumption, the Recovery group, etc. – all of whom risk public hatred and professional discrediting – that keeps me from complete despair. But all these people are outliers who reach a fraction of society with their sound/sane views and facts. While the MSM, in particular the BBC, and the government public announcements repeat the same nonsense and lies again and again and again, we will never break through. And they will never back down. It’s gone too far. That’s what brings me down. I do need cheering up! I may go sing Christmas carols in the town square… this Christianity thing has really got me. The church could make a killing recruiting the masses if it played its cards right this year!

The Church has betrayed itself, its people, the people in general, and the God it claims to serve. Covid worship is the new Christianity.

Only if you see Nero’s version of Christianity as a tool of political control – which of course it was.

However, if you consider true Christianity, as opposed to churchianity, I suggest you’ll find that the NHS is the religion and covid replaces the Old Testament version of the god that must be feared and appeased at all costs.

Irreverend had a good episode recently about the Church and its missed opportunity this year.
This year has revealed a lot about the Church. Did they really believe in the sacraments? That meeting as congregation was a body, an “ecclesia”? When it became difficult, apparently not.

I have given you a tick. On this even though I am an atheist.

The idea of carol singing as a protest was a great one. I think we should try that.

I tend to agree. I am in Greece – the intense spring lockdown genuinely scared a lot of Greeks and cities looked like dead zones – this time around a lot more are out and about despite the lockdown – ironically a lot more people have died since the weather turned cold yet people are not as scared, especially those who are nowhere near 80, the average age of those who die of Covid in Greece.
Covid has been around for a while – it is not the new terrifying threat it was in the spring.

Ha Churchill was aware via Enigma of when to run and hide and when to show fearless courage. But don’t let truth get in the way of a good story.

Glad to see you haven’t changed, Biker!

Yes I am sure those who wear them in their cars on their own are doing it for others! A lot of them are liars but the virtue signalling makes them feel ever so self righteous.

Do you have the Simon Heffer link?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/29/history-suggests-roar-rebellion-will-follow-covids-suppression/

Interesting that it invites comments but the link to them has disappeared!

I hope to God you are right.

I am? About what?

The main powers that be, the organs of news and propaganda and the primary institutions have all bought into to this nonsense and are now trapped. The so called tory rebels all seem to be trying to face 2 ways at once, both tending to be sceptical but in a way that does not upset their zealous electorate, papers like the Daily Mail are sceptical one minute zealous the next in a bid to keep their full readership on board.

One of the issues we have is that this virus has been a ‘Drama Queen’ (am I still allowed to use that term?) and has and has caused some high profile dramatic effects and some harrowing personal cases. The general public react to high profile sentimentality far more than they do to a cold representation of the national statistics. The sceptic case lacks good PR and it lacks any real mechanism for getting an alternative view across to the General Public. The Daily Mail is hesitatingly sceptical, we need to get he Sun on board and we need to get young people back to the mood of the Vietnam War protests,

The harrowing and dramatic incidents that fuelled much of the public reaction to all this are becoming increasingly hard to find, the best they can do is to find some hospital somewhere that is so shambolically organised that it is overwhelmed but the ‘overwhelmed NHS’ propaganda is wearing a bit thin. The public have short memories and one result of all this testing is that large numbers of people have now been tested and been +ve or -ve and nothing has happened. So instead of being an unknown the virus is now known to many people and no longer a thing to be feared. I think the Government are clever enough to know things are turning which is why they want a vaccine to bail them out, anything to avoid having to admit they got things wrong, everything to ensure they get voted in again at the nest election.

Steve, Andrew… all good points. What we desperately need is a mainstream newspaper to publish Mike Yeadon. He is the unequivocal authority on “what has gone wrong” with never a mention of the dreaded conspiracy notions (5G, Gates, WEF, etc.) His article published on this blog today is brilliant and I’m getting it sent it to people in Parliament. We need his science alongside Lord Sumption’s ethics plastered across the front of two or three national newspapers and then the movement against this madness will really take off. Of course the vultures will swoop on government ministers. Let them be shown no mercy. They’ve had ample time to come clean and pull the propaganda. They will get what they deserve. Praying for this turning of the tide feels like praying for a Christmas miracle. Honestly, I’ve vowed to go to church when they reopen. After years identifying as an evangelical atheist, Christianity suddenly seems so rational and reasonable!

Most churches are rather beautiful too, the country ones certainly. I like TY’s anaysis that ‘they’ believe any level of collateral damage is better politically than their feared collapse of the NHS Moloch. I also like Ivor Cummins’s assessment that the second wave/false positive scenario is deliberate to stretch things out until the vaccine saves us all (meaning just ‘them’ of course since we are mere collateral damage).

I think the PCR test angle is the way to go. Stop those and the numbers fall away. Then, as soon as one tv channel comes out as sceptic, the end is in sight

You think the WEF’s Great Reset is conspiracy?

Not necessarily, but it is framed as such in the MSM, and I think the way forward is to go to battle by dismantling the data the government is preaching, and pushing the catastrophic impacts of lockdowns/restrictions into people’s faces rather than trying to win them round by pointing out the more sinister agendas (I personally think it started with China trolling the west and was summarily co-opted by big pharma and mad “reset” collectivists with the help of AI, but let’s just start by trying to get the PCR testing stopped on the grounds that it is creating a pseudopandemic for now!)

exactly…one battle at a time

Have you looked at their website?!

You sound as frightened of ‘dreaded conspiracy notions’ as the zealots are of covid. Fear is failure.

Yeadon and Sumption are good dudes – but you’re looking for leader/hero types when we are the solution.

The weakest part of the Covid edifice is PCR. We need to go for it.

I welcome though Mike Yeadon’s analysis, but I also feel that some key points are missing. Specifically:
1) What about the contribution of the whole business of moving the elderly to care-homes and then not looking after them properly, relaxing guidelines on DNRs etc? This could have been a major contributor to overall “first-wave” deaths and mean that it was policy, not the virus, that targetted the elderly.
2) Problems with PCR are not confined to false-positives: it detects bits of RNA which directly correlate with neither illness nor infectiousness. Lateral Flow may be more accurate but, as an antibody test, is likewise not a direct measure of illness or infectiousness.
Second wave notwithstanding, questions such as these will have a major impact on how we deal with “the next one”.

Your first point was definitely a political agenda copied across the western world. A culling of our elderly and sick.

Personally, I hold to Sir Graham Brady’s comment when I feel down ” if these kinds of measures were being taken in any totalitarian state would be denouncing it as a form of evil”. I used it on my supposedly Christian MP. He ignored it. I agree – we need one overarching body unifying Lockdown Sceptics, the GBD signatories, the Tory group led by Steve Baker, plus any others , but we need a head, a leader. Any ideas, folks?

That’s one of the best summaries of the situation that I’ve read. By which I mean that I agree with it. But I really do think it’s a very sane and perceptive account. The government is floundering around looking desperately for a ladder to climb down. In fact, short of them actually apologising and performing seppuku live on national TV (I wish), there is only one ladder and will only ever be one ladder. It’s exactly what Dan Hodges prescribed yesterday. They should just say, “We have done what we can. It is time to go back to normal life.”

Trouble is, the whole world (with one or two exceptions) has gone down the rabbit hole. Going to be difficult for one country to say “sorry folks, we made a mistake”.

A few encouraging signs from Germany, Portugal, etc.

Let’s keep our fingers crossed (and our revenge stored in the fridge!).

If they were looking for a ladder to climb down they would either stop testing or they would lie about the PCR results. And quickly recategorise any potential Covid death as a seasonal flu death. They weren’t shy of inflating the numbers of Covid deaths so there shouldn’t be any moral issue for them in deflating the number of positive tests…. Then when we only have a handful of new ‘cases’ per day and no deaths, the pandemic is officially over.

Can you honestly see that happening? SAGE and the PM, with Hancock are too worked up by the fact they have managed to screw the country down with no objections . They love the power and will keep distoring, mismanaging, inflating the figures for years..

As a 74byear old who should be “vulnerable” (anone who refers to me as such will get what they deserve!) I agree. I can make my own choices – I do not like large crowds in any case, but the constant repetition of slogans, nannying by little council hitlers etc, mask wearing etc is something that gets right up my nose. It’s now time for the PM and SAGE to butt out and let the virus take its course, but get normal life back so that the economy, people’s mental health othe health conditions can be properly dealt with.

Very well analysed.

There is a difference between a belief and an opinion . As you say, you can change an opinion with rational argument but not a belief. Since the ‘Cult-Of-Covid’ is now a belief for many they are indeed lost to reason.

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In Michael O’Bernicia’s and David Parker’s opinion the virus myth must be bust for legal actions to be successful and to reunite societies. The medical profession and scientific community are dishonesly upholding the myth.

I wonder if you caught in that video Michael O’Bernicia stating that the originating draft of the Coronavirus Act was drawn up in November ’19 (or before), because he did a search and located the document which was dated Nov ’19 .
And as soon as he publicised that fact, the date was removed, and then replaced with a document with a later date.

From this timepoint:-

https://youtu.be/8s4BdGyQqDo?t=4363

No doubting in my mind the conspiratorial nature of the whole global phenomenon.
Though I can perfectly see why Mike Yeadon confines himself to what he does, because he wants to avoid the ‘conspiracy theorist’ tag.
‘Conspiracy theorist’ and ‘Anti-vaxxer’ are the two most pernicious tags that are widely employed to discredit individuals or groups who simply wish to air the whole truth.

I’ve believed for some time now that Mike Yeadon has been extraordinarily generous in presenting our officialdom with a plausible ladder with which they can climb out of this well of shit they find themselves in.

I suspect their vanity, narcissism and duplicity will prevent them from taking the first rung, instead continuing to double down hoping the masses continue to believe their bile.

For their crimes, they deserve no less than facing the hangman, without a hood.

But I’ll settle for their public humiliation and a life ‘true life’ sentence spent back in that well, polishing turds.

They genuinely make me feel murderous.

We’re witnessing a split in society. Where one section seeks to be controlled and repressed by government in exchange for ‘protection’ and the other section seeks to live in freedom, but with risk.

Can you spot the correlation between Brexiteers, lovers of freedom and sovereignty and Remainers who want to be controlled?

I’m a Remainer and a Lockdown Sceptic who wishes to decide my own level of risk.

I was a remainer because I thought being in bed with Europe was better than submitting to US standards. Now I see it’s a frying pan and fire situation.

On the other hand, I never thought for one minute that dePiffle intended to deliver anything other than a crash-out Brexit.

Remainer here too

Having lived through the Hong Kong flu pandemic (80,000 dead) and the Asian flu of 1957/8 (over 33,000 dead) I’ll take my chance. And those who are too scared or whining to come out and live can stay in their little bunkers and frighten themselves to death

The religion is ‘caring’, which is actually virtue signalling, and is being perpetuated by social media. Except for the very old, or people with serious illnesses, none of the measures that the adherents take are for themselves, they are ‘for others’; ‘for the vulnerable’. What is worse is that they are imposing this code on their impressionable children, who have known nothing else. A whole generation will grow up thinking that their education and their aspirations don’t matter and should be subjugated to ‘protecting’ obese benefit claimants and others who make no contribution to the economy.
This new religion has been seized upon by the left of centre and the obsessive Remainers as a means of undermining and humiliating a Tory government. The irony is that they are actually being useful idiots to a government that is perpetuating the ‘crisis’ to make money for its friends (as Mike Yeadon almost says but doesn’t quite) and finds it convenient to prevent public gatherings and protest while it finalised its Brexit deal.

No.

If mandatory mask-wearing were abandoned this afternoon, then by Christmas at the very latest, nobody would be wearing them.

Most people would give it up by tomorrow evening.

Absolutely.
What happens when they are told that they’ll still be muzzled after being jabbed?

It reminds me of the pleasure boat full of the muzzled the skipper took one look and said’ we are going out in the fresh sea air , you don’t have to wear those things’. off they came,, the sheeple need orders to obey.

As late as that? I’ve got a coal fire – anyone down my way could come and urn theirs in my grate ASAP, if the restrictions were removed. And most masks are fxxx al use for protection anyway.

COVIDballs, like BREXIT, is an issue that just presses the tribal button these (sad) days. If you’re a bigger government groupie, collective ‘action’/they know best kow-tower, worshipper of the biggest (unaccountable) governments ever devised (World this n that, European Anything, Davos divinity…), and congenital knee trembler and taker, then Lockdown and the EU is for you. Darwin was on to something.

In my state, it is becoming very prevalent. I am hoping as many people actually get it and it is mild, the fear may subside.

I think the fact most of us haven’t had it or if we had we didn’t notice proves something.

Nicaragua and Tanzania.
I for one agree with you.
The continued ignorance of the new research or court decisions on masks and tests, for example, prove your points.
As in Germany in 1945, the change of mind can and will only happen after the catastrophes (hyperinflation, government bankrupcies, depression, vaccine deaths and damages) have happened.
I think it won’t take that long.

Didn’t know about Nicaragua if so Viva El Presidente Daniel Ortega!!

It is very much like a religion , or a religious cult

I think there is much truth in this. I decided I was against it all on March 23rd as I watched Johnson with his doom laden address to the nation. It was partly on instinct as I decided that,on past experience,when everyone agrees with me I must be wrong and that government has no right to tell me what to do in this way and also that,as an economist, I felt that deliberately wrecking your economy can never be a sensible thing to do. Those who violently disagreed with me at the time still do so only even more violently! I cannot see this changing anytime soon.

I’m afraid I don’t agree that ‘ covid orthodoxy’ is analogous to a religion. Much conventional religion is perfectly plausible. A committed Christian will reject medical evidence that a man cannot come back to life after being dead for three days because by definition miracles are violations of the natural order. Their faith would more likely be shaken by evidence such a thing was naturally possible. Christians (and other religious adherents) believe a power exists outside the natural order that can intervene within it. ‘Rationalists’ reject such a supposition but both positions are based on faith.
‘Covid orthodoxy seems more like a cult. They believe, contrary to the evidence, that masks prevent infection, just as certain fringe groups think the earth is hollow and there is a civilisation on the inner surface, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Our current compass of the ‘Natural Order’ is an emotionally or psychically invested Model that becomes internally structured and protected against risk of change, instead of the presumption of correction in which a presumed fact is revised back to either an open set of hypotheses waiting on evidential support or disproof, or the not knowing of an honest place from which to observe and seek answer.

Likewise an invested Economic Model or Medical Model.

Investments are generally self-seeking until a more profound compassion awakens. Developments are marketised and weaponised to private agenda masking as ‘public good’ or saving us all from an endless supply of evils – which become the goose that lays the golden egg and so is – like war and sickness – protected as an energy supply and source of identity.

There’s more of this post at:

https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/11/when-life-is-sacrificed-to-save.html

In terms of possibilities you could have painted it a lot worse.
But in terms of probabilities we only have the parameters of what we know or have awareness of.
Part of the media blitz and ratchet up of regulatory constrictions is to induce a breaking of the will, as in disarming and domesticating an animal, and then set to breed out the unwanted characteristics both psychologically but also genetically in new stock.
However, the core agenda is a controlled demolition by which to oversee and establish control over what replaces it – much of which is out front as ‘reset’ and 4th reich of a biosecurity state – coupled with guilted ‘carbon units’.

The pseudo religion rises from what Jesus warned against when he said ‘resist ye not evil’.
If you ‘get’ your (masking) identity of virtue by setting against the feared, hated and denied, then it frames and runs what seems to be a worthy cause, and interprets anything that undermines or does not support its cause as part of the problem or aligned with the evil.

That which identifies us truly is love – not social masking. And yet in a realm of social masking or ‘identity’ politicking of fragmented tribalism love has no reception, because the truth of love is love of truth – not love of self-reinforcement set against the ‘other’.

There are many who have identity masking in the forms of religion – as with any other set of ideas, beliefs, teachings or models as to what reality is and is not. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater would be like judging Science by the behaviours of corporate corruption and generating an anti-science identity such as to refuse to listen to or consider anything expressed in what is set as ‘deceit by experts’.

There is deeply set emotional investment that cannot be reached by rational discourse because it is defending a fear that is not really here, or in the case of the agencies of pushing this agenda, of fear of consequences if they do not comply.

What are the incentives that make an offer that most cannot refuse?
Carrots and sticks.
The unparalleled imbalance in the distribution of wealth and control in our world is an unlimited purse – indeed a magic money tree along with a network of connection and support to execute its agenda as a many fronted long term strategy.

The loss of consciousness is not seemingly noticed by many, but the phrase use it or lose it, applies. Thinking – or what passes as thinking – is a masking or blocking signal to a deeper and direct awareness or presence. Call it mind control. The crisis is a tightening contraction of the mask to a denser and darker realm in which fantasy is piped to the compliant, who will not be able to bear or recognise reality for the fear, hate and demonsisation projected onto it.

This is where we came in (As I used to say in the ‘pictures’ as we called the cinema then and it ran continuous and let you in and out at any time. There is an opportunity to recognise the pattern and choose to go the other way – which is to meet the fears, hates and demonisations that we projected onto discarded, judged and denied life and world.

Then you may realise – that’s where Jesus is calling or pointing to – as a Reintegrative healing and redeeming of living truth we never really lost, so much as covered over from the panic of fear given power or priority in our mind.

If you take the term naked as meaning exposed to lack, inadequacy, invalidity or illegitimacy, the “WHO told you you were naked?” is the freedom and support in our being to ask and find answer to where such ‘thinking’ arises and what is nature is. Doubt and division isn’t just done by the 77 Brigade on their fellow beings, but something we do to ourselves unknowing – and if we didn’t have such inner conflicts, we would be ‘immune’ to such manipulative deceits.

Spiked: Why aren’t more artists standing up to lockdown?.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/30/why-arent-more-artists-standing-up-to-lockdown/

Excellent article and like retail, culture and heritage, they have been quick to jump on bandwagons such as BLM, LGBTQ+ and whatever else but they’ve been silent on the assault on our civil liberties, right to make an honest living and creeping totalitarianism.

If they want to survive then they need to fight back now. Otherwise they’re complicit and deserve the economic reckoning that’s coming. When theatres, venues and organisations go bust they shouldn’t be coming to the public to beg for money. Instead they should look at themselves in the mirror and realise that its their cowardice that has caused the demise of their sector not the virus.

The discrepancy between their support of the rights of certain movements but complete lack of interest in supporting all of our civil liberties can simply be explained through social media. That is where all of this is coming from. Facebook, Twitter, and Google.

It is indeed baffling that an entire industry is relying on ageing rockers Van Morrison and Eric Clapton. Still, fair play to them for speaking out because live music has given me some fantastic memories but I’d hate to think that memories and videos is all we’ve got left of this industry.

Perhaps the current lot are all clean-living millennials and therefore terrified of dying. People like Clapton have almost killed themselves so often that their fear of death disappeared years ago.

There does seem to be that fear of dying which to me smacks of narcissism and entitlement. Perhaps that’s the reason why we’re in this mess.

You do have to think also that they are fairly untouchable by social media whereas the younglings are dependent on social media and because of that can be shut down. Because of this, as hard as they try they can’t get to JKR or Eric or Van the man.

Fair point, although there are plenty younger than Clapton who have made enough money to be untouchable.

“Soul Sacrifice” by Santana at Woodstock during the Avian Flu pandemic…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaaT_HRb4GU

Because so many artists have their mouths guzzling at the tit of public spending.

Because artists are, by nature, on the left, and thus more inclined to respond to perceived suffering than to cold facts, and more open to social media which regulates their view of the world. So not only are they not the kind of people to be skeptical, they’re not interested in taking in the kind of content that makes one a skeptic, and the kind of content that they do take in is pushing them further and further away from reason.

Most younger artists nowadays are up to the neck in woke issues, identity and gender, race issues, whatever they are. just stroll, well you could once, around any provincial gallery looking at the older artists to see, skill, vision and aesthetics sadly lacking in the lot since the YBA’s Also many modernists and surrealists went through tough shit through depression and wars, still producing great art.

Does anyone else have trouble sleeping thinking about all of the grannies they have killed?

As a Mail commenter puts it
‘I’m not allowed to hug a granny but 6 Police Officers can carry her down the street and bundle her into a van.’

No you don’t understand. That’s was for her own good. Just like when they lock a 90 year old up in a rest home and ban family visits, ban everything and let them live in utter solitude.
It’s to protect them to help them live a long and happy life to come. Presumably through Buddhist philosophies of reincarnation?

Sometimes it’s the utter hypocrisy of it that gets right under my skin.

Excellent comment! Wish it was a stand alone comment!

I had trouble sleeping last night because my just four-year-old grandson was crying as he can’t go into his friend’s house to visit yet he sees him at school every day and he is able to play with him in the park. The fact that four-year-olds are terrified is a national disgrace and every MP should hang their heads in shame, but they are so up their own fundamental I don’t think they will even notice. We are heading for generations of children with government induced mental health problems. Words cannot explain my contempt for the political class.

Get all the parents together and refuse to follow the so called rules. They cannot arrest everyone at the school. Unless people get together this will never end. It will be hard, but most people are just waiting for someone to stand up first and will then follow.

You’d be surprised – and dismayed – by how stupid many of the parents are. This is how schools got away with inventing their own covid rules which are much more draconian than the official ones.

Every MP should hang. There fixed it for you!

Can we have a crows fund for the rope? I’ll chip in for Johnson,Hancock, Gove and Raab for a start.

My husband and I looked after our 7 year old granddaughter one day a week from age 1 to 4. In August her Dad wanted her to come and spend the day with us. She had got so unused to us she needed coaxing for 30 minutes before she’d come. Of course, she loved it once she was with us ;.Just how much damage have the PM and SAGE inflicted on our children?And will they ever get over it?

I’m puzzled as to why I have killed loads of grannies but not one grandad.

They don’t live as long and most are men nagged and overworked into an early grave due to pussy blindness.

Decades ago, it was found that most women live longer lives without a man around, whereas most men live shorter lives without a woman around.

Male lives matter!

I know I have been involved in infection chains all my life that probably culminated in the death of a vulnerable person. I didn’t do it deliberately, nor do any of you who have also done so in your thousands. We get a bad cold or flu, we stay at home because we feel dreadful or it’s the right thing to do. However, with our first coughing and spluttering before we withdrew we passed it to somebody at work, in a shop or on the bus. They then passed in on to someone else who passed it on to someone else who passed into on to a frail elderly person they were visiting and lo and behold we have killed a granny (grandads are also available but sadly in smaller numbers).
We have been doing that since the dawn of the species but only now do we panic about it.

There is a fundamental issue here about how we deal with such risks in the future.

The old way was that we accepted a degree of such risk in order to get on with life. The New Way (that has been approaching for decades but is only now becoming really intrusive) is the full medicalisation of minor ailments (which can obviously be serious or terminal for the vulnerable).

But once we set off down that road in earnest, treating flus and colds as potential death sentences, holding people responsible for not spreading them, investing trillions in vaccines, lockdowns, etc, and becoming obsessively protective against them, there is no turning back to sanity.

Without regular natural stimulation, our immune systems will become less effective, and ordinary circulating viruses etc will become far more dangerous. Without natural exposure, there will only be protection against the things you are explicitly injected for There is a dependency situation being create here that will be difficult to turn back from

And the creation of a belief system that says that people have no responsibility for their own health. Therefore, people are ‘living with obesity’, rather than ‘fat’, which implies poor life choices. We are no longer allowed to judge the lifestyle choices of others and say that they have brought ill health on themselves. The same applies to smoking, drinking, taking drugs, having children when they have no means of supporting them, etc.
Most of us probably drink and some smoke, but I’m sure we do so knowing that it is probably bad for us in excess and assessing the risk. If we became ill as a result, we would probably have the attitude of ‘it’s a fair cop’. That is no longer allowed.
What is allowed, of course, is judging people for using cars and eating meat, but that is more because of the effect on ‘others’ and ‘the vulnerable’, rather than on the individuals doing it.

You are right it has been developing gradually. So many forms of risk have been gradually eliminated such as letting children play out,the old routemaster buses,slam shut train doors etc etc that any risk is now deemed to be unacceptable. I suspect this is going to be the way of the future. Anyone who dies from flu will be seen as someone who has been killed by a selfish person living a normal life. Young people are expected to emasculate their futures in order to keep someone alive who might only have had months anyway. These are serious issues but the future answers seem likely to destroy society itself in order to keep us all safe.

Very nicely argued. Why is risk so difficult a concept to accept? we all cross roads, walk in snow, climb stairs and steps, etc. all those can lead to risk. My Dad dropped dead at 70 outside a football match – maybe we should ban sports matches as people can die going to them.

This is one grandma that fully accepts the risk and wants to get back to life as soon as possible – like tomorrow. I’ve lived through 2 pandemics and don’t give a castlemain 4xxxx about panicking

My Mum is now a granny. Not only has she (and my Dad, but no-one cares about grandads of course) regularly visited us during the course of the various lockdowns, I’ve even hugged her. Miraculously, she is still alive.

BTW, unlike some people on here, I do believe that C-19 is a disease, and that it did/is killing some people. Not even vaguely near enough to justify any of the restrictions, but the spike in April/May can’t be entirely explained by the closure of the hospitals etc, and it was too late in the year to be normal flu. And, even though it is now endemic, endemic diseases do still kill people, just not that many people.

Which is a long way of saying, it is possible (although very unlikely) that my mum (a granny) will die of C-19. However, if that did happen, the likelihood of that being directly because of her meeting up with me and my giving it to her asymptomatically is microscopic. It would be much more likely she got it in the supermarket or something. The idea that we should limit human contact with our nearest and closest friends and families in order to combat this is just insane. Genuinely evil insanity.

My friend said to me the other day that she was off to visit her mother. Her mother’s need to see her was stronger than her need to be “protected”. Too true, why can we not let families make these decisions for themselves?

Did you ever worry about passing on colds or flu to anyone? When you drive your car do you worry about killing people.?My point is you cannot live your life fearing you might kill someone. It will lead to madness. Life is for living, this is not a dress rehearsal, there will be no encore!

Isolating people weakens their immune systems and kills them.

It weakens the immune system which leaves you susceptible to illnesses which is probably part of their plan.

My 94 y.o granny has said she would rather die in her sleep than continue living in this environment.

Do grannies have trouble sleeping thinking of all the young people whose lives have been wrecked, ostensibly on their behalf?

I don’t have trouble sleeping but I am very concerned about the cost to my children and grandchildren.

Worrying solves absolutely nothing, and is extremely draining of energy. So I tend to avoid doing it, in favour of finding things I can actually do, no matter how seemingly small. Meeting the world with a smiling bare face is one example.

No, but I do lose sleepover the businesses that have failed, the abuse in home, the suicides, the non covid deaths .the jobs lost, the mental health epidemic.

Very interesting figures from the NYT if you drill down to the zip code level death stats. There was a Satmar (orthodox Jewish) wedding at which there were reportedly 7500 people. At any rate if you look at the video in the NY Post there were definitely huge numbers, all in one large room, packed together and singing.

Now this community is concentrated in Kensington and Williamsburg, both in Brooklyn.

The zip codes are 11218 and 11211. The wedding happened on 8 November. 22 days later there were a grand total of 1-2 Covid deaths over the past week out of around 175,000 people – is there anyone there who still doesn’t believe in herd immunity ?

Good one. I would say spicy chicken soup might have a lot to do with hardly any covids in the area. It’s is a well known to cure almost all ills.

We are all criminals now,

Right !

So national lockdowns have gone from being the “nuclear option” to a coercive tool wheeled out by the Fat Dictator whenever he needs to blackmail MPs into sparing his blushes.

This is so far beyond mere incompetence or bad management – it is the planned destruction of the economy to transfer wealth to the Davos elites and their lackeys in world governments. They will send millions of us to early graves in order to accomplish their oppressive, eco-fascist Reset.

Personally, I’m at a stage where I would no longer condemn any attempt made on the lives of these sadistic psychopaths. I would not shed a solitary tear for any of them.

Great comment Scotty, you put into words what I’ve been thinking for a few days.

The terror alert was raised, wonder why? Boris exchanged Police protection for SAS, wonder why?

We are being reset. By coercion, persuasion or force if necessary. But we are being reset. Many of us are on the list to die. Preferably at home and alone, can’t have a fuss can we?

We are the resistance.

Arnie.

Has Boris really upped his protection? When did that happen?

I would …I would cry after I would not be able to piss any longer on their grave, over, and over, and over…They are scum, the lot of them and deserve to be fragged (for any ex army bods out there, you know what this means)

As frequent commenter Julian has pointed out, even if we get out of the present predicament, if another respiratory disease springs up in future the government’s response is likely to be lockdown as a first resort when it should be the last.

Whoever did it would definitely be doing us all a favour…make them a patron saint.

Careful now, 77th may be reading, and you may get a knock on the door…

From the roundup
‘Govt. Advice for the Christmas Period’
Ends with the attached

‘There is something wrong with this page’

“Yes, it’s all a load of bollocks. Merry Xmas”

What were you looking for: sensible advice.

What went wrong: could only find government guidance.

What’s that spinning noise? Oh that would be Mrs Beaton!! I thought this was a spoof till I saw the original. Do you think the term power mad megalomaniac is too understated. SAGE; a herb best grown normally under a pile of warm shit. Can be very invasive if not properly controlled with controlled and regular trimming!

If Mike Yeadon is right, and I can see no reason to doubt it, how is the pseudodemic to be stopped?
Will they wait for a week or two after the magic jab is ‘rolled out’, then stop PCR testing and declare the demic over?
It would still be smoke and mirrors, but used productively for once.
It would also be a clever thing to do, which presumably makes it unthinkable. And it would be the end of power for Turdgeon, Dungford and the rest of the totalitarian goons, who don’t want the pseudodemic ever to end.

Having read his piece good as it is,I found a couple of errors.He takes at face value the 40,000 deaths attributed to Covid.It is indisputable fact that the figures are unreliable.No one knows how many people died from/with or at all.Also he said the hospitals were busy in April when it has been proven that apart from ICU wards they were half empty.
Apart from that a good piece but no one in power is listening.

I think he probably knows that the numbers are over inflated but is just using numbers that people recognise? It’s a great bit of work and should be headline news with a debate on the BBC and GMB with Sage members the chuckle brothers and Mike. Remember, the way these issues used to be dealt with?

There’s a small comfort in the fact that the lateral flow test seems to have a lower false positive rate. Liverpool’s reduction from Tier 3 is partially naked politics (look, if you’re good and submit to mass testing we’ll let you off the lead a little more) but it’s partially driven by the fact that when they mass tested with the lateral flow test the numbers went down sharply. The BMJ tried to claim this showed the test was missing cases, but interestingly the Government ignored them.

There are two ways you can look at this. The generous interpretation is that the Government is genuinely trying to look for a way to climb down and this gives them cover to do so. That isn’t that convincing, as the Government has had other opportunities and not taken them. Another, more convincing possibility, is that someone (probably Hancock) has investment in the lateral flow test – hence the health passport idea where you have to get tested twice a week to be allowed a “normal” life. In the former case, the thing will end because the Government does actually want it to. In the latter case, even assuming Hancock’s greed is limitless and he’ll continue this until he’s the only person in the country with any money left, I think it’s impossible that the corruption will remain hidden and the edifice will collapse in scandal when it is exposed either in the media or the courts.

I don’t believe they tested any where near the numbers of people in Liverpool they claim to have. In fact i don’t believe they test hardly anyone. They’re making this shit up. The test centres are empty, the hospitals are empty, the doctors are empty. This is showing we don’t need them. Shut down the NHS and make Private health care the way forward. The NHS is a total disgrace and after turning my mrs away from A&E last night, not letting her in, no one would speak to her, i despise them. You turn up having went deaf and had blood coming from her ear and they refused to even open the fucking door. They are scum and if i could find out who the bastard was they’d be bleeding from their fucking ear pretty soon.

I’m not sure what the motive would be in claiming to have tested more people than they actually have (unless the people making the claim are being paid by the test, in which case I’d expect them to claim more positives to keep the money rolling in) but in the current environment almost anything seems possible.

On the NHS – I turned against it a long time ago. Even before this year, I’ve personally seen it let people die by refusing to test for cancer or by spending months dithering over what action to take after a heart attack, neglect and abuse people in hospital, blame people for the side-effects of medication they’ve told them to take, force someone to drive in agony to hospital with a cyst in torsion because they wouldn’t send an ambulance, and scaremonger and lie through their teeth in an attempt to bully them into unnecessary surgery. I don’t know what the solution is, but I’m convinced that having a monopoly and being staffed by people who are all too susceptible to the Wormtongues of the unions telling them they are underpaid angels superior to all other life on Earth is a major part of the problem. I sympathise with your experience and I hope you find a solution and there is no permanent damage.

“ I’m not sure what the motive would be in claiming to have tested more people than they actually have”, really?

If the motive was to keep us in fear then falsifying the testing would only make sense if it resulted in numbers that justified the policies being enacted. Nobody would be criticising the new tier system if the numbers had skyrocketed over the last few weeks – in fact it would look more magnaminous than simply contiuing lockdown. If the reason is corruption then, again, it makes no sense to let the numbers go down, because that way leads to the end of your contract.

It’s the look of it. The signs, the queues, the masks, the closed NHS, the fake testing. All of it is a movie and since most of us are fucking cabbages it looks real. They want you in fear. I look forward to the big release from it. They feed on our emotions They are loving the fear and the loathing. They control us, manipulate us and despise us. Fuck them and their control. Free your mind from the movie. Just watch what happens on the Solstice. These fucks are biblical in their behaviour and this whole charade is a ritual. Started at the Olympics and ends, well i don’t know but it will be on one of the Equinoxes.

They have already announced two lockdowns around each of the last two equinoxes and also on the Blue Moon on Halloween.

Yep they are esoteric git wizards for sure.

I was amused to see Nadhim Zahawi on BBC’s Question Time last week exploit the testing in Liverpool to declare that “it proved that we live in a democracy” – clearly the irony was lost on him. Claire Fox had (as a sole voice on the panel,of course) argued that we are now living in a tyrannical society where all our freedoms and rights have been taken away from us…”we no longer live in a democracy”. Zahawi’s retort was that the sight of the people of Liverpool uniting in their desire to do their civic duty by being tested was clear evidence that democracy is alive and well. I nearly fell off my chair.

He’s a card isn’t he?

Other 4 letter words are available.

Yep, but you’ll be banned. web all know them in any case.

Seriously? He said we live in a democracy? He must be madder than I thought. What part of hell does he come from?

Not sure I can wait till then. That’s 3 weeks away. We need, as Churchill had it “action this day”

I’ve been starting to think this too. I live in Redbridge, which was meant to be next in line for mass testing after Liverpool. Admittedly, I ignore all of this stuff, but I’ve not seen any evidence anywhere of people being tested here. Not a single email from the Council, not a single person knocking on the door, not a single flyer, not a single billboard or advert regarding testing, not a single ‘testing centre’ with queues of people at it.

And how can anybody possibly verify the statistics they put out? They’re like Soviet Five Year Plans, or the figures for boot production in Oceania.

I think the problem with the Liverpool tests – I know people in Liverpool and about half of them went to be tested, not that that has any bearing on the actual number – Sorry, the problem is that the Army administered tests showed a dramatically lower rate of infection than the PCR tests, thus shattering the evidence for lockdown. Of course they are not going to extend them elsewhere.

God that is bloody diabolical.

Yes how can it be stopped because it seem that no matter what evidence is placed before them they are unstoppable. Given that a date in February is mentioned for the end of these Tiers (yes right just like 3 weeks to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed…) I wonder is that actually when they hope to have mass vaccination underway. We’ll have to see but they may well be disappointed on that front, everyone I know is questioning this vaccine including elderly relatives over 80 years…

There is no vaccine and there won’t ever be one

There will be injections called vaccines which will be said to work because infections will fall naturally. It’s the way the Goverment will save face when it reluctantly releases us.

The army are building vaxx centres at football clubs – one at bristol city football and read of another somewhere. At bristol plan about 100k vaxx a week!

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/army-arrive-ashton-gate-set-4748648

Ironically I think the dodgy testing has had one good effect, at the start of all this the virus was an unknown ‘terror’ but now every person and their dog has either been tested or knows people who have been tested, some -ve some +ve (the dog was probably +ve) and mostly nothing has happened, nobody was ill and nobody died and in that way the dodgy testing means that an increasing number of people are seeing the virus as a damp squib. We live in hope.

I don’t know a single person who’s been tested or a single person with the “virus” so i don’t know where you get this idea that there is mass testing going on. There isn’t. Sure they make it look like it is but it ain’t.

I work at a university and therefore know lots of people aged 18-21 who have been tested; many of them tested positive. I have taught some of them on zoom. They were a bit pink around the eyes, but in good spirits and perfectly able to concentrate on the seminar. Now, they are all well again. There must be tens of thousands of students around the country who now know that ‘having the virus’ is not a major life event.

“Alethea” sorry if i’m wrong but i don’t believe you. Sure you may be on the line but in this climate i distrust anyone who says anything close to the government line. I don’t believe they’re testing at universities either. My friends son is at a big university in Edinburgh and they said on the telly that they were testing students and he was waiting to be tested and not a peep yet they were saying on tv how they were being tested. It’s all bent

I can only speak for my own experience: I cannot know what happens anywhere else. But at my university there is a testing centre in a white tent in a carpark, with guards in hi-viz tabards. I personally know many students who have been tested, either because they had symptoms or because another student in their household bubble had a positive test. Students here live in groups of 12 or so; if one of them tests positive they all have to stay in the flat for 2 weeks, unless they subsequently test negative, so they are highly motivated to be tested. During that period, their seminars move online, so as a teacher I am kept up to date with their symptoms and test news etc.
Of course many of these positive tests may be false positives.

i don’t doubt you that there is a tent and some people are being tested but in reality it’s all show. This seems like mass hysteria from the cattle who ware easily manipulated to believe that the black death is everywhere. Shit i had a smoke with a 90 year old man last night. He came to our studio to watch us live stream a gig, something we’ve been doing for months. He’s not bothered his arse. If this dude isn’t scared why the hell is any one else?

got a link so I can watch your band?
How is Mrs Biker today as well?

I would have thought that was a major disincentive to ever get tested, since it places your freedom entirety in the hands of the (PCR failure rate)¹²! I’m just curious, but does the university monitor the testing of these students even if they’re living in private accomodation? Or are the 12-students households university-owned? It all sounds like a total breach of the law in how universities are treating their students – where is the right to medical confidentiality or coercion-free informed consent involved in any of this testing? Or have these legal rights been ignored in favour of peer pressure to “do the right thing” and submit to authority?

I’ve met people who have been tested but not one of them positive.
I’ve also met people who are convinced they had ‘it’ either side of Xmas last year but at the time put it down to flu.

My cleaning lady also works in a care home. She is tested every week.A friend was sent a random test and took it in the belief she was helping society.

I know one who tested positive but I suspected that either she simply had a very bad cold or was using the positive test to have 2 weeks off on full pay.

My niece in Bradford is a nurse and has tested positive. No symptoms whatsoever.

I find that odd. I don’t think the person I know who tested positive had any symptoms at all.

My 99 year old MIL tested positive while in hospital. 14 days later still no symptoms

My daughter was I’ll in Feb and had a high temp and was struggling to breath. She was ill for about a week. They thought she has a chest infection. Of course this was before they started the idea of batflu

Sorry ill stupid spell check

I have been thinking that this might be why they are mass-testing, to undo the fear, or at least have a fear dial. They can turn the dial up or down as they see fit…They think they can anyway. This has worked for them going into autumn to boost the cases but they can only do this once or twice.

However perhaps they are trying to undo the fear because most people who test positive are just fine, many many people can see this now. The covid is a deadly killer story is rapidly running out of steam.

Could it be that this is their get out clause, demonstrating to the sheeple that a +ve test doesn’t mean that they are ill with the deadly rona.

Not in Wales, for sure. Test numbers rising means more fear means more repression means more fun for Dungford.

He might be pro-vaccine, which is why he’s not been shut down on social media, I dunno

We can’t stop viruses. We learn to live with them. Current legislation to stop or eradicate the ‘virus’ is stopping and eradicating life. There is no point in living

There us a huge great big point in kiving.
To oppose the totalitarian swine who are anti-life.
Get in with it.

You hit the nail right on the head inone. If we are not living, but merely existing, as has been the case more or less since March, what the hell is the point of life?

Of course wee burney and Dundbrain don’t want it to end – neither does the Fat controller and Witless and Valium. They just love seeing how high we’ll jump when they tell us to , they have power over us . isn’t it about time the power returned to US?

Outstanding from Simon Heffer (I never thought I’d hear myself saying that).

“Our own Twenties have yet to roar. But the relentless suppression of individual freedom, and the inevitable determination to reassert ourselves over the agents of the state, means that the day will come when they will.”

The snag is that he is worried this might be a Bad Thing. Given that the original Roaring Twenties was “a period of decadence and self-indulgence”, in which “recreational drug abuse and extra-marital sex became commonplace”. Quite apart from the industrial unrest and demands for improved conditions that led to the General Strike.

Bring it on, I say. All of it. It sounds a lot more fun and real than the New Puritanism of the woke or Agenda 2030.

To be fair to Simon Heffer he looks like a sick fucker and in private i’m sure he gets up to all sorts, these kind of people always do.

During his short lived spell as Editor at the Telegraph Simon Heffer sent all journalists and editors a lengthy email demanding that they cease using the words ‘The Magna Carta’, there is no indefinite article, simply Magna Carta.

That is impressive. David Starkey would be proud

He was right but perhaps other issues were more important?

That was my point, it made him an industry laughing stock. A copy of the email was sent to me by a Sunday Times sub editor of my acquaintance.

Strictly speaking “the” is the definite article (“a” is the indefinite article) but his point would be that Latin doesn’t contain articles – it’s all done with conjugation, so Magna Carta literally means “The Great Charter”, not sure what the Latin for “A Great Charter” would be (Googles translate reckons it’s still Magna Carta, which must be wrong). It comes from the same school of thought that says you shouldn’t split infinitives (i.e. to boldy go) which is based on the fact that in Latin infinitives are always one word and therefore impossible to split. Basically it’s a bit of a daft position to take given that we speak English, not Latin.

I feel a Monty Python moment coming on: Conjugate the verb “to go”… “100 times before dawn or I’ll cut your bollocks off”

Latin has no definite or indefinite article, so ‘Magna Carta’ can mean either ‘the Great Charter’ or ma Great Charter’.

As a historian of that period, the “Roaring Twenties” is much a myth as the “Swinging Sixties” was. It only affected a very, very small segment of society and while its true that there were great changes, for the vast majority of people life more or less went on much less the same.

Here are two blogs that aim to point out the historical reality of the 1920s:

https://enoughofthistomfoolery.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/what-downton-abbey-doesnt-tell-you-about-the-1920s/

https://enoughofthistomfoolery.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/what-downton-abbey-doesnt-tell-you-about-the-1920s-part-2/

However I do agree that the 1920s does sound much more fun and real than our present.

Scott Fitzgerald has a lot to answer for.

Indeed he does. As is the Bright Young People too.

True, one of my mates says that in london some places have opened up as a speakeasies. With blacked out windows. Want to get my spats and zoot suit on and go checkem out. Wonder if the have a password on the door? I hope this is true!

Great stuff. Back to the Roarin’ 20s and Prohibition!

Anytime sounds better compared with this hell hole.

So Baron Greenback has now realised that this latest dictat will only get through thanks to labour. His first strategy of bringing out loveable rogue Micky Gove to shout at them all has shockingly backfired, so now he presents them with the Sophie’s choice that they can either vote with him, or he will press the never to to be used nuclear button for the third time straight after Xmas and lock the nation in for good. Only this time, it won’t be his fault. No no dear constituents. It will be fault of your local MP.
This is ridiculous now. In the realm of the banana republics.

Yes, their political games as the country is trashed around our ears are repulsive to behold.

(I had to look up Baron Greenback. But yes, I do see it now.)

Does that make Hancock Stiletto or Nero?

It will also be the fault of feckless Carol Singers who are given a remarkably free run in the Government Advice for Xmas, even being allowed to go singing door to door.

“Selfish granny killers. Vectors of death” – i can hear the sheeple bleat.

well, I’m off into a day of work in london now…it feels lonely sometimes being surrounded (on the train and then in the streets) by so many brainwashed mask-loving, flying monkeys.

Nothing lovable about Gove. Conniving back-stabber would be closer.

There’s a lovely image of Symonds and Dilyn today in The Mail Online.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999533/Boris-Carries-DOG-Covid-Dilyn-not-normal-self-PM-ICU.html
Dilyn is on the right.

Two dogs under one roof rarely works

I see he’s been recruited into the scare campaign. A low trick.

Regarding the above photograph of Mrs Dick

In the background all the buildings are boarded up and their are no people on the street. It would appear the TSG welding teams have been at work

‘mission accomplished ‘ would be a suitable caption

Looks like a mock up training street made out of marine ply like the Army put up on Salisbury Plain – or a Hollywood back lot.

She’s here – where they train people up to deal with dissenters.

https://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/metropolitan-police-specialist-training-centre-mpstc/

Is that where they learned how to execute Jean Charles de Menezes?

I went to a government training facility once back in the old days, an old industrial complex with big ware houses. The cops and military and the SAS used it to train in.

At the time it was peak rave ( the mid-late 90’s) and one of the factory buildings was turned into a RAVE, complete with day glow smilies painted around the place. The floor was littered with smoke cannisters and other pyro technical junk from flash bangs and tear gas bombs most likely.

That was interesting and showed what the government took to be a threat priority at the time.

Nowadays the threat priority us anybody, anywhere, who is behaving like a human being.

The politicians – government, opposition and CRG alike – are just playing their usual horse-trading games for votes. Parliament is a distraction from the problem, not the solution to it.

Mass civil disobedience is the solution.

When the state claims the right to shut down and open up the economy, culture and society whenever it likes, we must all become enemies of the state.

Given the less than inspiring physical and mental calibre of the state’s representatives as we encounter them (“the obese police dismisses us, and that suffices us NOT”), this is not a difficult leap to make.

Heil Bozo!

The spaffing Johnson threatens his party with his own behaviour – ‘look what you will have made me do’ – while posing as a mock Churchill saving Christmas.

Is he just trolling us, blatantly taking the piss out of the entire country? Or is he actually stupid enough to believe anyone takes him seriously in the terms he presents himself?

Churchill he is not. Did you read that rambling nonsense in the press over the weekend. It’s the sort of ting you would write after downing a bottle of Scotch thinking its Shakespeare..

Yes, but does it indicate advanced mental dissolution, or is he just taking the piss?

Pity he was too pissed to find the Webley.

Or the Katana, might take a bit longer, as he might struggle to find his heart, bastard!

Rat says there is a 3rd wave coming so yaa-boo to Dr. Yeadon.

Naval types and mariners are waiting for the 9th wave, the biggest wave of all.

Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much further out than you thought
And not waving but drowning.

Poor chap, he always loved larking
And now he’s dead
It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way,
They said.

Oh, no no no, it was too cold always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
And not waving but drowning.

Watching repeats of Cheers EVERY morning before work for the last 8 months as I can’t bring myself to watch breakfast news. Feel like topping myself!

Lockdown Sceptics: the place where everyone (and GCHQ) knows your name.

They already had my name – being here is just another entry in the file.

I remember, back in the 1990s, my (Irish) civil servant Dad telling me that GCHQ were monitoring all phone calls from Ireland that passed into/through the UK. Internet traffic (which would have appeared from the end of the 1990s on) would be a logical extension.

Is that supposed to worry us?

and Cheers is excellent

Daily Mail

First Covid vaccine could get UK approval within DAYS – as government bids to recruit celebrities and social media stars to counter ‘concerning’ anti-vaxxer theories online
The comments are choice.

If you have a dodgy vaccine, don’t confuse people with ‘science’, jut get celebrities to promote it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999117/Marcus-Rashford-rumoured-star-recruits-promote-Covid-19-jab-counter-anti-vax-scare.html#comments

Marcus seems like a sensible lad – perhaps someone could let him know in advance about how Pfizer kill African children in illegal medical trials. See if he fancies shilling for them then. https://www.outsourcing-pharma.com/Article/2008/01/14/Pfizer-vows-to-fight-on-after-Nigeria-arrests

My friends dad is a pharmasict in a hospital and they have been told they will get the vaccine in 2 weeks.

I’ve just been for a blood test. Lovely way to start a Monday! I commented to the nurse that I imagined that she’d be getting geared up to inject stuff into people rather than take it out. “Any time now, it’s the only thing that will stop this horrible covid” was the reply. Tempted as I might have been to say, “actually, if we stopped complying that would probably do it too”, I instead beat a hasty retreat.

They were in the middle of a “flu clinic” and the sight of flu vaccine related bunting everywhere had given me the willies.

Patriotic advertising for big pharma?

Yep – Seqirus. Don’t posters like this just give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside?

No problem. When the adverse effects start rolling in, we can just sue the fucking celebrities as well.

The virtue-signallers will love that. Masks and complaints of feeling on death’s door to elevate themselves to status of covid saints

I hope all their horrible arms swell up and fall off.
A celebrity suing the Fascist Junta would be good.

Ooh ooh, can we suggest celebs to be first? That quack Hilary and Piers the pie Morgan. The BBC News team.

So it turns out that ‘COVID Mary’ is just a clumsy poorly trained teenage lab assistant.

Or Covid Mary is everyone who’s healthy

Festive Protest Suggestion. I wouldn’t put it past the police to clampdown on this given their performance in London on Saturday.

Do pop up choirs all over London.

Choral flash mob

Change the lyrics. I’m sure we have a few poets amongst us.

From the Twitter feed of Professor Robert Dingwall a government advisor on pandemics. Why aren’t the government listening to him?

”As a public health scientist, I think it is irresponsible to continue promoting fear and anxiety about the Covid-19 risks of Christmas when we cannot know the circumstances of every individual’s life.

I am 70 with no known co-morbidities. Several of my likely family visitors have already had Covid and recovered. They will still be largely immune from reinfection – risk is 1 in several million. I shall hug them freely.

I have four grandchildren under 6. Children of this age represent a minimal risk. I shall hug them as freely as I have done all along because I think the value to each party exceeds the risk.

People should be properly informed of the risks – and the uncertainties of the evidence for them – but it is for them to decide what risk/benefit balance to tolerate not for public health scientists or politicians to preach at them. “

In case nobody has mentioned this – problems with Oxford/ AZ Vaccine trials in India –

https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/health/coronavirus-covishield-vaccine-volunteer-sues-serum-institute-of-india-oxford-group-over-adverse-reaction/article33201686.ece

“A 40-year-old volunteer for ‘Covishield’, the candidate vaccine being tested by the Pune-based Serum Institute of India (SII), has sued the company for ₹5 crore, alleging that the vaccine triggered an adverse reaction, which includes neurological impairment and an inability to get back to the life before being inoculated.

He has also demanded, via a legal notice sent to the SII, AstraZeneca and the Oxford Vaccine Group, that the vaccine trial, which is now being tested on 1,600 volunteers in India, be immediately halted.

The person’s discharge summary says he was “discharged at request” and was recovering from “acute encephalopathy”. He also had Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D deficiency, and had a probable “connective tissue disorder”.

Not good

There were a couple of times when the trial was halted due to causing neurological issues. The first time they tried to claim it was because the person had a pre-existing condition and the trial resumed. Not sure what happened the second time, but the FDA are still refusing to sign off on the vaccine as far as I’m aware.

I don’t want this fu**ing vaccine, nor to download an app that proves I’ve had the vaccine. An app owned by a Conservative politician looking to get rich. We are being branded by Pharma and tech

I have woken, as my dear mum would have said “wrong side out” today. My blackboard protest reads:

Britain 2020

Liberty – Stolen
Kindness and Compassion – Outlawed

—————–

My freedom should not end where your fear begins.

Hear, hear!!!

Well done, kh.
Hope you have a good day, whichever side out you may be at the moment!

Thanks OBP. I did have a bit of a laugh this morning – lovely sight of four young school lads larking about with an office chair they’d obviously found, doing what kids do, messing about, laughing and not a care in the world (for those of a certain vintage, they reminded me of the characters in Grange Hill – before it got all issue-driven). They even moved their school bags out of my way as I walked past and one of them said “good morning”. Fair cheered me up. And I haven’t experienced one school kid swerve out of my way – they could teach their elders a bit.

Let’s hope all kids retain their innocence and keep bringing us their laughter.
Goodness knows we need their perspective as an antidote to our own worries.

I think of my toddler grandchildren and hope they will grow up innocent and free too. That’s been a motivator for me.

My mother in law is really angry with me because my daughter told her on the Zoom call that Corona is not really dangerous to most people and that people who wear mask outside look silly ( I do not know where she got that from….muahahahahaha) She said to my wife that I’m being irresponsible. My answer is that will all respect to tell her mum to wind her neck in or fuck off. I will tell my own child the truth and will not roll over when they try to brainwash them at school. That went down well as you cn imagine. I’m now at the point where I do not give shit anymore, I will speak my mind no matter the cost.

Indeed they do look silly. (per one of Mabel Cow’s brilliant posters):

Muppet.jpg (2875×3900) (baffledcow.com)

There’s many a bad mother-in-law has prevented a good mrriage.

I used to get irritated by kids arsing around (I’m a pit of a grumpy old cow), but these days I love to see it. It’s an echo of a bygone era where people actually lived instead of just existing.

I’m the same. Like I say, it really cheered me up and the fact that they were so nice to me was an added bonus. Whoever their parents are, those kids are a credit to them.

So true, when the original first lockdown was on a group of about 12 young girls and boys were sitting over the park in a circle having a beer. As I walked by with my dog they looked at me I suppose because I am old expecting me to tell them off for not social distancing or following the stay at home bullshit. I just smiled congratulated them on their bravery and told them to ignore all the stupid old people’s comments and to live their live.

You wrote it on a blackboard? A photo would be great

Love to, but there’s a limit on how many MBs you can post on the site so I can’t – sorry.

Keep fighting the good fight, kh1485. And as others are saying here, I also find myself cheered by seeing young people behaving boisterously.

Kh1485 – you are a very witty comrade. Thanks for giving me …at least several…laughs every day. You are also a great fighter. Love it.

Gemma O’Doherty in Ireland has it right. There needs to be long jail sentences dished out when this is all over, in her country and here.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/C9GNMCoFF5HB/

Absolutely. The offficals who engaged in active censorship and fear mongering cannot simply rely on the panic excuse. It is their job to provide impartial and considered advice but it became, almost immediately, a dogmatic lockstep beat the drum for vaccines approach.

De-bunking PCR is the best thing we can do to fight this nonsense, seems like the lateral flow test will replace it and then legal proceedings in Portugal could set precedent in the EU and so called Global Britain will eventually fall into line, hopefully paving the way for the affected to file lawsuits.

It’s not about health

You can read the Swiss article in English by going to https://translate.google.co.uk/

then putting in the web address on the left, pick English on the top right , click address on rhs and happy reading.

https://ivmmeta.com/

This is a full reference of studies in English

https://inn24.ca/index.php/2020/11/29/who-and-lancet-investigations-into-pandemics-origins-lack-independence-and-credibility/ WHO and Lancet investigations into pandemic’s origins lack independence and credibility

A very well -balanced short report with several links. Even in MSM (Washington Post) is concerned about the independence of the investigation. This taboo in MSM seems to have been broken after the Relman’s article saying that a laboratory accident cannot be ruled out. China is increasing the pressure now claiming the origin of C-19 in India and also repression of medical staff in Wuhan.

I’ve just sent an e-mail to my local paper asking why my posts underneath Covid articles are being disabled on a regular basis. It appears that I can’t even reply to responses made to my posts before they were taken down.
All my posts contain easily verifiable facts and figures and simply ask readers to look into those facts.
This is North Korea.

Local Live (mirror group news) ?

Yes, is that the reason k?

Full on Corona horror and lockdown zealots and every article has 200k likes as soon as it goes online, probably doesn’t get 200k page views.

Our local paper is just The Most Horrible Thing Ever.
A total shit-show of communitarian bollocks and propaganda. Nobody bothers with comments on their stupid web site, nobody reads them. If people do comment and say anything that goes against the official narrative they are deleted.

One monumental shower of bastards.

When will arrests be made? how long can they get away with it?

Indefinitely if our numbers remain so low. At this point peerages and knighthoods are a more likely outcome for the perpetrators than the arrest, trial and lifetime custodial sentences they deserve.

“ no Prime Minister wants to impose restrictions which cause such harm to society, the economy and people’s mental health ” is at least a public admission from Johnson that he is indeed doing these things.

So don’t f’ing do it then

Sweden:
Why did the numbers fall so rapidly, despite the open restaurants and shops and the loose contact restrictions? The experts don’t quite know…. President of the Swiss Institute for Intensive Care added: “We can only speculate on what led to the turnaround in infection numbers.”

Is he having a laugh?

I predict a lot more of this sort of thing. Denial that the lockdown sceptics, Levitt, Gupta, Gomes etc. could possibly have known what was going to happen. Presumably the GB Declaration was simply a ‘right wing libertarian’ manifesto put together by well-known troublemakers and neo-fascists. The fact that it predicted the future was just coincidence; a lucky guess.

The classic “It would be wrong to pre judge the findings of the enquiry”

Enquiry is called and takes years. 2030 arrives, we find out it was all a scam but we can’t leave our homes because they’ve set out ID bracelets to lockdown.

They seem to be panicking now, shoving the vaccine along before the whole thing collapses, which is coming

Don’t believe the vaccine will be forthcoming.

Even water would do, if they convinced people THEY had saved the day

If they could just let all of us enlightened people that’s what they’re doing. The sheeple would be happy as they never have to confront their worst nightmare or admit they were wrong and everyone can get on.
And they all lived happily ever after.

Their worst nightmare is coming when they allow themselves to be injected with something that is going to irreparably damage their bodies. This only ends with many thousands of deaths and severe injuries from the vaccine.

They’re doing the ‘great’ reset, not trying to ‘save the day’.

Is it wrong to hope that the vaccine really does end up being dangerous, despite that meaning thousands of lives would be ruined? Particularly if the danger become clear within a couple of months rather than years, because then that really would bring this show to an end. They really really couldn’t spin that to their advantage.

A more humane wish might be that nearly everyone gets quite bad flu-like symptoms from it, ie worse than actually getting covid for 99% of people. But, the problem is, that wouldn’t be enough. Everyone is so convinced by the cult, that they would all go on BBC saying how glad they were not to die, just to feel wretched for a fortnight.

I think that’s a human reaction and one I have some sympathy with as long as all of the first people to take it are those who really want it and are not coerced as I fear some health and care workers may be.
On the other side of the coin is the fact that a lot of people desperate for the vaccine have just been frightened into thinking it’s the only way they can avoid this “lethal” disease and also, who ends up paying for their lifetime of care with devastating injuries whilst Pharma’s pockets are full?

Excellent on Policing etc
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/two-tier-policing-shows-the-rottenness-of-the-state/

My phone is blocking access to this web link. The connection was reset, please check your connection. Yeah, right

I think Johnson now threatening MPs from his own party shows that he’s losing the plot.

The rebel MPs need to hold their nerve and not be bought or fobbed off with crumbs.

And as for the general public they also need to carry out their own acts of resistance.

The lifting of lockdown should be an opportunity to undertake this act of civil disobedience. All shops, museums, pubs restaurants and venues should reopen with no restrictions, no masks, no sanitisers, no one way systems, no pre-booking and no test & trace.

Do like those gym owners and hairdressers in the north – fight back and demand that the authorities take you to court.

The police have shown us that they’re willing to fight dirty. Let’s turn the tables on them in a non-violent way.

I agree. Laws can only work at the barrel of a gun or by mass acceptance. Luckily we are not at the barrel of a gun stage yet in the UK and however bad things get are unlikely to ever be there, so it is mass acceptance through misinformation,
Indifference, resignation and fear. Dissent can only ever work in the same two ways. It a thousand people took off their masks, walked proudly into a family home, opened a pub, opened a business, there is nothing the authorities could do. If one man opens his gym, he has a visit from 30 police.
Without collective action of the “I’m Spartacus” variety, it is hopeless.

Exactly. I think the vast majority of people are afraid and are constantly going “this too shall pass.” However if we want that saying to be true, we need to take action.

And the collective “I am Spartacus” variety is the only way. As I’ve said before, if more than enough people and businesses did it, the authorities wouldn’t know where to start and the whole edifice will crumble.

Or some places open up, draw in a large police presence while other places also open up and there’s nothing to stop them.

And they don’t accept fines and we crowdfund their court costs

Anyone seen the labour party?

Haha. The Labour Party of the past was a thing of real integrity. I didn’t support most of their views but you knew they were sincerely held. It’s disappeared but then so has the Conservative party. Last seen in about 1992

I was a member of the labour party in the early 1980s. It had its faults but i do believe it genuinely wanted to improve the lot of working class people…even if some of their policies sadly had the opposite effect. Now though many of my academic colleagues are members. They are classic champagne socialists who try to avoid working class people if they possibly can. Some of them openly say the working class are no longer welcome in the party as ‘they do not share our values’. It is totally public sector dominated so its no surprise the lockdown has been so loved by labour. None of them lose anything from it.

Can’t find them. They seemed to have disappeared.

A little thing that I’ve been doing recently is deliberately getting closer and closer to other people when shopping, trying to break through this poisonous social distancing fuckwittery.

I also make sure I smile a lot when I shop, to let the muzzled see what it’s like to be an actual human being instead of a foot soldier following orders.

I’ve started doing that as well! Particularly when I’m with my 2-year old son, because I can use him as a good excuse to get to people because of course he just wanders wherever he likes and gets under people’s feet.

The one thing I will say – no-one I’ve yet met has been so far gone with covid cult that they’ve reacted badly to my son getting near them. They’ve all either not cared or found it adorable! Humanity isn’t quite broken…

I hope your son will start to see many more full faces soon. It must be quite a confusing world for him when about one third of his life so far has been lived like that.
Thankfully he has a sensible parent.

I’ve been doing that as well. I would always ask people to repeat what they’re saying to the point that they have to move closer and remove their muzzle.

Ditto with the smile – it does go a long way.

Agree

I love the idea that all business owners should ignore the tiers and just open fully anyway. The police would never be able to get to all of them in time to charge them.
Oh, and we have the names published of anyone who grasses on said businesses?

It’s always baffled me that businesses especially the major high street chains have been cowed so badly and in some cases are fully complicit. Whatever happened to the right to a livelihood?

How many businesses are there? Lots and there won’t be that many police to be able to go after all of them.

Anyone who grasses on said businesses should be reminded of what happened to their counteraparts in France after WW2 and Germany in the early 1990s.

If the testing stopped, would the ‘pandemic’ stop?

If lockdowns, face masks and restrictions were stopped and the media stopped spreading fear, would life return to normal, albeit with colds and flu as there always have been?

Would pharma and tech company shareholders be happy if things returned to normal?
.

Answer to 1) Without a doubt.
2) I’d really hope so.
3) Not a chance, but they deserve some misery.

Just had a reply to the email I sent to my MP.
She claims that as of last night “all our local ITUs are full with COVID patients”.
Is there anywhere I can find out up to date figures?

They must be able to if they want to, my MP has said that the local hospitals are coping well and down on capacity.

Every year the NHS is on red alert in winter and ICU’s are full thanks to “winter pressures”. The press have never been interested and I don’t recall Politicians being bothered either, individual trusts get on with it and we’ve never needed to protect them.

She probably means that ITU beds allocated to Covid are full. It’s been done before elsewhere but is not technically a lie.

So about 5 beds

Case I was thinking about was around a month ago.
Sky News reported Blackpool Victoria Hospital ‘full of Covid victims’.
A whistleblower nurse reported that all covid allocated beds were indeed full.
8 out of a total 767.

Plus ICU is used after many planned operations. Which have now restarted unlike earlier in the year. There’s an obsession with having unused capacity as if that is automatically a good thing.

Really proves the old saying that there are lies, damned lies and statistics. Those from SAGE are a load of bullsxxxt

Maybe not, but, as with so many sets of data, they are not the truth either.

Tell her to get off her fat arse and go and look for herself.

My MP is Maria Caulfield, so she has been doing some work in the local hospitals as a nurse. That’s why I want to find the real numbers as opposed to the ones she is quoting me.

Ha, we have the same MP, AB. I only found out recently she’s an Assistant Whip.

With the best will in the world, anyone who thinks nursing is more important than being an MP in such times is a stooge and/or very dim.

Noted, has anybody done an FOI, how many beds are for covid patients/total ICU beds. Hold on a minute, we have the nightingale hospitals………… don’t we…….

Adapnation.io have a hospital dashboard which is interactive

Thanks

I don’t believe that for a minute. I ICU’s are used for many conditions I. E strokes car accident victims cardiac arrest etc. They’ll say anything just to keep the narrative going. Prior to Covid were the ICU’s then empty most of the time.

I know, that’s why I was a bit gobsmacked by her assertion.

People who make such generalised, non-contextual statements as your MP need to have the matter turned around on them and be told that their statement is meaningless as it stands.

She needs to be asked how many IC beds there are in total (and occupied)? How many of those are designated as for Covid19 positive patients (and are occupied)? How many total IC beds there were at the same time last year and what percentage were occupied this time last year? How many of the current Covid19 positive IC cases were admitted for non-Covid related ailments? How many are asymptomatic for Covid19? How many tested positive after they were admitted to hospital? How many of the positive IC cases were admitted because they had Covid19 symptoms alone?

She probably also needs to be reminded that at this time of year it is normal for IC Units to operate at 95% capacity – they are considered to be poorly managed if the costly beds and staff are not used to near capacity. She might also be reminded that available IC beds per 100,000 population in the UK are about a quarter the number in Germany, a third of those in the US and half of those in France and much of Eastern Europe.

It is also standard practice for hospitals in Health Trust areas to work ‘as one’. So if one hospital is under pressure there are standard arrangements for transferring patients from one hospital to another. This is second nature to them.

Even if true, so what? We cannot decimate the economy and lock healthy people us because this useless Government could not fix the NHS in 252 days

I happened across this website – looks like they’re recruiting. Not bad pay either. Though I can’t really imagine that there are many events that need security right now?

https://interforce.org.uk/recruitment/

Interestingly, that website came up on a search for “TSG policing”. The whole website warrants a browse.

It couldn’t be, could it? Is my scepticism and cynisism getting the better of me?

Good find. This needs addressing…

Briefly, as an Interforce officer you will be responsible for carrying out a number of functions traditionally the reserve for Police, such as addressing incidents of crime, anti-social behaviour, and disorder.

Quite. I don’t think I’m reading too much between the lines. We have all read much on here about the behaviour of the TSG over recent months. What would it mean if we effectively had private police on our streets assaulting people?

If only Roger Cook was still about, it’s the sort of thing he’d get his teeth stuck into. Do we have investigative journalists that could tackle this? Anna B perhaps?

Maybe worth submitting this for the updates?

Nice work for unemployed nightclub bouncers.

I don’t think we should assume they’ll be British.

I heard early on that one security firm in London village was booming guarding empty offices etc.

Oh how lovely..A job site for Brown shirts of the future. They are clearly trolling us now .

Just in from Simon Dolan:

“CASE UPDATE

Judgement in our Court of Appeal case will be given tomorrow at 2pm

https:// justice.gov.uk/courts/court-l ists/list-appeal-civil ”

Will it be good news? Interesting coming on the day MPs vote on the new tier system.!!

Finally. The date is too much of a coincidence. Is it so as not to influence the vote?

Bit suspicious isn’t it – any idea what time the vote is?

Do you think they’d go as far as to have two judgements prepared and use the one which corresponded to the parliamentary decision?

It’s becoming increasing difficult to rule such suggestions out isn’t it.

There are no conspiracies but there are also no coincidences …

may God go with you

I have wondered if the judges have been more worried about how they’ll be perceived than with the actual facts (I can’t see why they’d take so long to reach a decision otherwise). If the mood music is turning against lockdown then they’d look like heroes if they found for Dolan now, whereas if it still felt like the country was pro-lockdown and the Dolan case collapsed it they’d be seen as complicit in any deaths chalked up to Covid over the winter.

Touch wood they’ll either stick to following the facts or think the mood music is going our way.

I expect the judges are delaying because they don’t want to find ‘against the will of parliament’ in a judgment that may ‘kill 500,000 people’ etc

I expect when the mood turns against lockdown or we are out of it they will find for Dolan

They did not worry about the will of the people when they passed all those anti brexit judgements. If they just look at the facts there can only be one outcome.

whatever happens Simon Dolan is a man of integrity and a hero, unlike the majority of our parliament

Agree. He is the only one that challenged the Government. Others followed but only much later

Good article about the mooted vaccines:

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/heres-why-you-should-skip-the-covid-vaccine/

Some useful comments, too.

Great article

May I draw some conclusions from Scotland – specifically Moray? We are in Level 1 (I think) which is not haveing much of an effect on anything. And yet we show the same falling ‘cases’ profile seen in areas which have either had lockdown or higher tier/level restrictions. What is driving the fall in cases here? Certainly it can’t be lockdown because we haven’t had one.

Nobody is getting tested??!!

masks and 6 feet of course

Has to be either herd immunity or all the positive energy being sent out by those good folk at Findhorn.

The Findhorn Foundation?

Yep, it’s on the Moray Firth. Or used to be …

You “followed the rules” and “took it seriously”?

There is a good chance that the sheeple most likely to get tested have already been tested. The dry wood so to speak. Those of a more sceptical or even cautious later are probably less bothered. Hence the tailing off. Interesting though that the majority of positive cases (if there is such a thing) are coming from the types of people who are following the rules, either by choice or mandate.

How many of the people being tested (care home staff, for example) have already had the virus and the test is showing positive for that reason? What is the point of testing people who are already immune? How many immune people are, like Boris Johnson, being required to quarantine? How many of them are NHS staff, thereby perpetuating staff shortages and arguments for ‘lockdowns’.

There is a belief that immune people can still spread the disease. How can this be? I became immune to measles 55 years ago after having it weeks after starting school, as many did. I’m not giving it to people now – and, no, my generation hasn’t been vaccinated. If I was in the company of someone with measles, I could perhaps spread it from my hair and clothes until they were changed and washed, which is why anyone who has been in a hospital now should change and shower before mixing in public, but would I be a spreader? I don’t see how.

the majority of positive cases (if there is such a thing) are coming from the types of people who are following the rules, either by choice or mandate.

Excellent point Mike, I would have to be marched at gunpoint into a testing centre myself, and I never obey the rules, not only that but I am in the higher risk group by virtue of age etc. so I think I would know if I have got it and I am fairly sure I haven’t.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if you could prove that the people that got the disease most were the ones that obeyed the most rules and vice versa!

We can only live in hope.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if you could prove that the people that got the disease most were the ones that obeyed the most rules and vice versa!

Could be done with a survey if people were honest. Would be very interesting. Must be some academics prepared to do that and get a bit of funding?

Further confirmation that lockdown makes no difference.
We had 3 months lockdown, 3 months lockdown lite, a while in tier 1, a month of pretend lockdown 2.
Not much of a first wave and nothing unusual in second piddle.

I had a couple of friends up a few weekends back, filthy Southern Tier 3 disease mongers to a man. After they finished oohing and aaahing at all the bright lights of open bars and shops and touching everything, the law of ‘the science’ would certainly suggest that there be a huge spike in Moray and that as they stayed in my house, I should be dead already. But, here we are…

I read recently, that our own politicians were planning the propaganda campaign in January therefore, it seems to be nothing to do with a virus and still thinking its about a virus is muddying the waters of the real reason.

It’s an interesting point. Any large organisation (or Govt) should be constantly looking ahead to potential threats and opportunities and mapping out possible responses and laying the groundwork long before the proverbial hits the fan. I actually wouldn’t find this suspicious if I thought our Government were highly competent, experienced and far-sighted- ready for anything etc. I don’t think that, so I agree that this whiffs a bit.

BREAKING NEWS: Vorsprung durch Technik’ PCR test protocol from Prof. Christian Drosten cannot detect SARS-CoV-2 and is fatally flawed: Team of 20 international scientists incl. M.Yeadon have submitted a peer review requesting retraction of this protocol promoted by the WHO. Read full report here: https://cormandrostenreview.com/

Will Pharma, Gates, the WEF and tech companies retreat or will it flip into fascism?

Any idea how long it takes for such analysis to be considered and a decision reached?

Based on Drosten’s paper, should only take a day or 2…

Well, Eurosurveillance reached a decision to publish the original report in 24 hours so I think the same timing for a retraction should be possible, don’t you?

Howard,hope you don’t mind publishing a copy of your tweet and Kevin McKernan’s and a the slide
https://twitter.com/HowardSteen4/status/1333288362988478465

“BREAKING NEWS: ‘Made in Germany’ PCR test from Prof. C. Drosten is found to contain 10 major flaws rendering the test useless! Scandal exposed in peer review from a group of international scientists”
https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1333314114932920320 “It can detect the virus but isn’t C19 specific. The exact FP and FN rates are an unknown and the protocol is a ‘choose your own adventure novel’ as opposed to an SOP. Questionable peer review and the given COIs requires a bit more sunshine. ”
This is in development and can’t judge the intricacies. But according to attached slide this is the part of virus not detected by Drosten’s PCR test. Kevin McKernan’s judgement above seems a heavy weight opinion from a world expert in PCR. Interesting to see what happens.

Thank you.

Thanks very much. I first replied to you on my wife’s computer so not sure if you received that message!

Another interesting parts in the report
https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1333252638113193984

“The sequences on which their PCR method is based are in silico (theoretical) sequences, supplied by a laboratory in China”

https://twitter.com/stacey_rudin/status/1333183007243558912

“SARS-CoV-2 is based on in silico (theoretical) sequences, supplied by a lab in China, because at the time neither control material of infectious (“live”) or inactivated SARS-CoV-2 nor isolated genomic RNA of the virus was available to the authors.”

 It is difficult to imagine now the haste the Drosten paper went through. Submitted 21st Jan and approved a few days later and unclear if it was a peer review by Eurosurveillance. see below Description of timeline and then current knowledge of spread.

Firstly, whoever this is, thank you and well done:
My part of the Civil Service all received a £100 bonus for adjusting well to working from home. This is possibly one of the most tone-deaf actions I have ever seen, given the state of the nation’s finances and the prospects of those working in the private sector – not to mention a complete waste of taxpayers’ money as there was not a single group of people who had easier during the lockdown. I donate it to a worthier cause.

Can anyone supply any information about this bonus and if other public officials have received taxpayer money for the same / similar reasons…? If the government is taking taxpayer money and giving it to public sector workers in this fashion, it should be made public knowledge.

Not something I’ve heard of. Sounds like a rather foolish local decision. These things are delegated to a relatively low level.

Bribe pure and simple, they need their people to stay happy with lockdown.

Congratulations to Toby’s whistleblower.

Well as a civil servant and if this is true I will be refusing mine or donating it to Ivor Cummins

I heard something to the effect that MPs (in additional to regular expenses) got a whopping bonus of several £k in March-April to “facilitate” remote working. Whether this is true, and how this is different from their previous regular way of remote working, no idea.

They were able to spend up to a certain amount on facilities for their office staff. The amount was a cap. All expenditure had to be evidenced by receipts. They were not just given a sum of money. Government finance at a micro level doesn’t work like that.

Wrote to my MP again prompted by Peter Hitchens.

I have written to you before expressing my disgust at you and the conservative government turning the UK into a totalitarian state.

There are too many examples to list here. A few days ago an elderly lady peacefully protesting was spread eagled by the police a few days ago using your legislation.

I cannot believe that you continue to vote for such outrageous practices and restrictions because of a virus that has more than a 99.9% survival rate.
I could have some symphathy if it was an Ebola epidemic.

Excess deaths appear to be no more than an average year. PCR positive tests without symptoms are mostly false and hospitals are no busier than a typical winter with bad flu season. We have had many in my lifetime.
Lock-downs will prove in the future to have been futile.

Why are you intent on ruining our economy and causing many more long term deaths this time around. You have had plenty of time to fortify the NHS if that’s what you were concerned about.

You are scared stiff of so called Covid deaths. Perhaps its because these deaths are announced with great fanfare to the public every week. The many more deaths that will happen in the long term will happen much more quietly. You seem less bothered by these. You will also carry on getting paid out of the public purse whist thousands and thousands are losing their jobs.

You are ruining the economy, damaging education, demolishing personal liberty and the right to protest, ruining young peoples prospects and saddling the young with a lifetime of debt. The list goes on and on.

I do not want a reply . It was a laughable reply from you last time. I will never vote for you again. I know many people I know feel the same.

Fortunately there are now quite a few very respected MP’s that have the bottle, courage and foresight to see what is actually happening and are voting against this media and public health driven hysteria. I have a great deal of respect for them and they would be my choice in a real crisis.

It is a shame you are not one of them.

Nicely done.

Oooh can I knick this?

Wonderful letter. Wrote to my MP, useless twat, and got a mouthful of useless statistics. I live in one of the lowest areas in the UK, and have gone from mere house arrest to normal prison (tier 1 to 2). Only 16 deaths in all, infection rate as low as Cornwall. He seemed to think he’d done well to argue for that and we were lucky not to be in Tier 3. No point in quoting figures, examples, etc.

Sturgeon car crash interview with Marr. A joy to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIRwxp2s2Pw

She seems to be growing a moustache.

She also seems to be freezing her already cold tits off.

On Talk Radio it was stated that the reason there are fewer “cases” in Norway is that anybody who gets tested has a verification test to confirm whether the result is correct or not.

Which should be the situation everywhere if governments and their corrupt scientists were honest.

And this is the key point, nobody should be classed as a case until a 2nd confirmatory test or an actual clinical evaluation.

And no-one should be tested unless it’s part of a medical diagnosis or clinical evaluation.

I believe they are trying to do this in the US, certainly in some parts. AFAIK this is what they did in the NBA basketball so they could finish the season, albeit in ‘group bubbles’ form; any +ve test required confirmation. No problems reported at all.

In Australia they don’t test asymptomatics. China either. Finland have a similar approach.

The problem lays with the control freak Kleptocracy and the Emergency powers/Coronnavirus Act they have bestowed upon themselves, where they can make regulations without an act of Parliarment (deliberate spelling). Basically take actions that they would not normally be able to take. Introducing measures that affect fundamental rights and liberties. In short they can do what they want.

Good girl! Sound on for this one, don’t know if she’s one of ours or not, but good stuff. #MondayMorningLaugh

https://twitter.com/DentyAndShaz/status/1332764400432930817

Fantastic stuff!

Fat fucking goons can’t even run, must be the masks and lack of oxygen.

Maybe that is the answer, a jogging protest.

Bloody brilliant

You can’t catch me I’m the gingerbread man…

God, they’re getting desperate. Just had a newsflash pop up – Dilyn the dog caught COVID!

I thought his name was Wilfred?

I thought it was Boris

He felt very RUFFFFF

This mask study from CDC is almost laughable. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm?s_cid=mm6947e2_w
They compared mask mandated counties in Kansas with non-mask mandated counties during June1- Aug 23.

https://twitter.com/covid_clarity/status/1332873480946257921

6/ Then I did a clean comparison: June vs Aug, new cases/capita just like the study… What did I find? No significant difference between the mask counties & the no mask counties. Mask mandate counties +210% Non mask mandate counties +195% See below

7/ It doesn’t end there. The study focused on rates of change, not absolute cases. Actual daily cases per capita in the mask counties were consistently higher during this period. Thus, total cases per capita in the mask mandate counties actually grew faster.

CDC worldfamous has lost the plot about masks.Now it is religion/politics and not science

This needs to be on tomorrow’s update as it will be thrown at us

Am I understanding that graph correctly? That where masks were not mandatory in Kansas the virus was less contagious?

But if I were an advocate of mask wearing, which I’m not, I’d say there were other factors that were responsible for the difference. Such as density of population.

Update from Simon Dolan:

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1333331752866222086

Judgement in our Court of Appeal case will be given tomorrow at 2pm

At last

It was said on Radio 4 this morning that it wasn’t known to begin with that asymptomatic people could spread the virus.

How was this discovered? Has research been done on this? Controlled experiments etc.?

Or is it based on a few case histories which have led people to believe a patient could only have acquired the virus by being in contact with someone who was asymptomatic?

CCP said so.

Who or what is CCP? (With another ‘C’ I’d recognise it as being the Soviet Union – but that’s gone anyway.)

Chinese Communist Party. Although the latest paper released from China says no asymptomatic spread. Do we believe anything they tell us?

Thank you – so I was sort of in the right area.

WRONG!!!

Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible

~ Dr Michael Yeadon; former Vice President Pfizer ~

The authorities use this so-called asymptomatic transfer of infection to scare people and make them wear masks. Obviously our lovely radio stations and other media love to continue pushing this lie

I’m not on Twitter so I can’t fully see what Dr. Yeadon has said on that service beyond:-

“21 Nov 2020 — This is great. The first time the notion of “asymptomatic transmission” was mentioned, I smelled a rat. It’s biologically implausible. Not saying it’s …”

I would appreciate it if someone could complete the statement.

“…never happened once, but as an important contribution to transmission? No. To be a source, you need lots of virus in your airway. But once that happens you will be symptomatic, either because the virus is injuring your lung lining (epithelium) or because you’re fighting it off (or both). You can’t be both a virulent source AND not have symptoms. ”

[Mike Yeadon]

Forever, it’s been “coughs and sneezes spread diseases”. So much of history is being rewritten this year.

The narrative shifted at some point to pre-symptomatic. So they wanted you to isolate given the fact symptoms didn’t typically appear for a few days.

It’s all, at best, an err on the side of caution, precautionary principle, fetish

Fauci and the WHO are both on record as saying asymptomatic transmission is very rare and not a main driver of the ‘pandemic’.Although they have both recanted

Just watched the Ivor Cummins & Dr Kendrick discussion.

Nothing we don’t already know but if anybody with an ounce of sense watches this and cannot see what a complete scam it is and then still believe the narrative is beyond me there is no hope.

When this shit show is over and the world reacts by turning sharply away from the politics that created it, we need a Great Reset of our own.

And that means purging institutions like academia, the police and the civil service of the cancel culture left-wing fascism that enabled this. It means restraining the power of social media platforms by forcing the break up of the larger ones and enforcing laws around freedom of speech.

This is a battle between freedom and tyranny- pure and simple. And when we win, we need to crush the tyrants and flush them out of the system once and for all – and enact laws that disallow this crap to happened again. This should be the beginning of the end for the social forces that created this.

Great post.

Start by standing in local elections in May 2021 either as an independent or for one of the new political parties (I am considering The Reclaim party that focus on freedom of speech – that is a very good building block). Target all the seats currently filled by conservatives and labour (by failing to oppose this Government they collaborated).

Note: The conservatives have already advertised for candidates to stand in the local elections next year.

Also join local parish councils etc

You generally have to be elected to parish councils.

so get elected

Indeed. I’d advocate standing ostensibly left wing independents in Labour seats and ostensibly right in Tory. I even think there’s scope for creating a movement of independents, across a broad political spectrum, who come together as a group – for media, fundraising, PR, purposes – but represent not a political doctrine but simply a universal aim to replace the Party system of government with genuine choice at a representative level.

If you could get even 50 independent MPs working together on political reform it could be done. The left independents and right independents would oppose each other on many issues; but the overall aim of the movement would be to destroy first past the post party system and they would come together on this.

A genuine, a-political, tolerant and collaborative movement to overturn the system that allowed the destruction of our civil liberties. That is something I could get behind.

If I had my way, the national government would be disbanded and replaced with small regional governments, à la Switzerland.

I would also make voting mandatory for both citizens and political representatives: no more opting out of the political system or hiding behind abstentions.

Meh I dunno about making voting mandatory i’d rather attach an IQ test to voting.

Not sure about mandatory voting. I think refusal to vote is an important option to have. Disengagement from politics is a good measure of the failure of a system. Plus, I’m not a fan of mandatory anything!

I’m happy for voting not be mandatory, provided that politicians don’t have control over anything that matters. But as soon as we hand them the keys to our lives, it seems rather silly to let the general public shrug and not bother voting.

As for the point about failure to vote being a indication of the failure of the system, what good does that do? It’s hard to claim that you are disengaged when the government ruins the economy you live in and prevents you from hugging your friends. It would be much better to have an explicit option on every ballot paper that says “I reject this system”. That way, people can indicate their displeasure in a documented way, and that displeasure could then officially trigger a review of the system.

That said, the voting issue is something of a side issue to me. I’m a minarchist and would prefer to see government reduced to the absolute bare minimum. In that situation, voting is just about deciding which minor functionaries you want in your local area, not which ideology the entire country should subscribe to. By reducing the scope of government to essentially collecting the rubbish and running the courts, the damage they can do it somewhat curtailed.

In Belgium we have mandatory voting, and it is an absolute cr*p system. True, that is mainly because any invalid votes (eg voting for two different parties, or otherwise invalidating your ballot by drawing a pair of tits on it or the like) automatically go to the majority . Idem for people who fail to show up: it’s technically illegal (though prosecution/fines have been extremely rare in the last decades), but your vote still goes to the majority. The main result in all the past elections has been big wins for the extremist/right wing separatists (the real ones, not the populists or non-PC candidates who pass for ‘right-wing extremists’ these days), as people grow increasingly disgusted with politics, get annoyed at having to vote in the absence of any decent alternative, and then just express their discontent by invalidating the ballot or by voting for the parties most demonized by the traditional parties (who are barred from power anyway, regardless of the result). It’s extremely frustrating, as the only viable option you have if you want to lodge a protest vote is to vote for one of the minor and irrelevant single-issue parties, as that is the only way to avoid supporting the ruling political system. The main result here has always been a huge extra boost for the majority parties. If you could vote AGAINST someone or a party I might be in favour, but mandatory voting as we have it now is just an insidious scam. And why on Earth should people who don’t give a hoot and know jack all about politics have to go and vote, anyway?

Thank you for articulating this thought. I entirely agree with you. It has occurred to me that democracy as we understand it is no longer fit for purpose. The vast and rapid information flows that we are having to cope with are rendering our traditional parliamentary democracies obsolete. We need new models of social organisation that are and are seen to be truly democratic. The current crisis is exposing levels of corruption and incompetence that have been obscured for decades.

Great article by Mike Yeadon. However, how does he explain falling case numbers despite stable testing levels?

I’m assuming because the total of false positives will be affected by the number of actual positives. Both from cross contamination and just from actual positives being added to the number.

Therefore, as actual positives fall due to her immunity, the total number of actual and false positives should fall.

That’s my uneducated guess anyway!

Yep that seems logical, thanks.

Vive la Belle France

https://twitter.com/Thomond_McMahon/status/1333132231024513024

The fightback started in France.

That was a Gilet Jaune protest last year

Just watching TalkRadio with Mike. The guy for independent businesses in Kent is on. he’s saying some good stuff yet he talks about how even if people at risk shield, the way forward is to wear masks and distance to “get the economy moving”.

Maskism is the new PC. The economy did not recover as it should in summer precisely because of stupid mask policies and track and trace.

When will the penny drop that the way you get back to the previous economic levels is to do what you did previously.

The economy isn’t meant to recover.

A List Of FBEL’s Covid-19 Articles – And Brief Comments Regarding Continuation Of Coronahoax

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/heres-why-you-should-skip-the-covid-vaccine/

Virus-vectored and genetically engineered vaccines could undergo recombination or hybridisation with unpredictable outcomes ….Previous attempts to develop coronavirus and other vaccines e.g., RSV and dengue, have been hampered by the problem of ‘antibody dependent enhanced immunity’(ADEI), which has led to severe illness and deaths in the animals and human subjects involved in the trials. This phenomenon only becomes apparent after vaccination, when the subject is exposed to wild virus at some point in the future. Worryingly, the Covid Vaccine trials have not been conducted in a way to exclude the possibility of this serious sequalae occurring months or years after vaccination.” (“Open Letter From: UK Medical Freedom Alliance To: The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization… for COVID-19 in the UK.”)

Fascination article on vaccines. The end of this paragraph suggests that the vaccine could weaken your immune system to viruses at a later date. That wasn’t even on my radar of risks.

The nightmare scenario is vaccine injuries like this are spun as Covid-21, and the whole cycle starts again. Not at all beyond the realm of possibilities.

Starmer does not have allegiance to democracy. He belongs to the Trilateral Commission.

Trilateral Commission (Louize Small, The Light)
‘The Crisis of Democracy’ states the need to ‘turn people back to passivity and obedience so they don’t put too many constraints on State Power’.

Dr Yeadon writes

But due to extraordinary errors in modelling created by unaccountable academics at Imperial College, the country was told to expect over a half a million deaths.

This is not correct. If he is referring to the well-known “ Report 9 ” then the names of the authors were clearly given and, as authors of an academic preprint, are accountable to their peers in the usual way. If he is referring to the fact that this figure had been adopted by SAGE at its 11th meeting on 27 February as a Reasonable Worst Case which is explicitly not a prediction, then accountability lies with SAGE which adopted it as a collective decision. If the country was told to prepare for it as a prediction, then the fault lies with the people who misunderstood the nature of a RWC, not with those who provided it.

However, the important point is that the estimate, as an RWC, was neither dependent on the modelling of the group at Imperial College, whether or not that modelling contained “extraordinary errors”, nor was it incorrect. The figure of half a million deaths in the “do-nothing” scenario was indeed the best estimate based on the data available at the time, and does not rely on the Imperial group’s model: indeed, a very much simpler model which I wrote for myself in a couple of hours produces a similar result. The result was the correct result from the data as assessed at that time.

As it happens, of course, the “do-nothing” scenario was very far from the strategy adopted, and the number of deaths which occurred was very much less. Which is, in itself, a Good Thing, and says nothing about the correctness of the estimate for a very different situation.

Dr Yeadon disagrees with one of the key parameters that went into that estimate, namely the level of pre-existing immunity. In my view, the conservative estimate of little-to-no pre-existing immunity was the correct assumption to make at the time, based on very limited knowledge about the virus at that stage. He makes two assertions: (1) that the level of pre-existing immunity is high, perhaps 50% and (2) that this, rather than its opposite, should have been the assumption made in the RWC estimate. Assertion (1) is a scientific question, capable of being determined by observation and experiment — something which was not available in early February. Assertion (2) is hard to sustain: at the very best, it is Dr Yeadon setting his opinion against those of others who disagreed with him, of whom I am one.

Do they risk firing or even jailing if they say their projections apply to real world policy? Because that’s what happens to engineering fields if you don’t validate and verify what you say? Luckily there are lots of procedures and checks and balances to minimise this, as no system is ever going to catch everything.

I believe that’s what he means by being accountable.

Advisers and engineers are not in the same situation. An engineer in charge of a project is explicitly claiming to have the expertise to design and build something, adequate to take responsibility, and is taking the responsibility for doing so. An academic modelling something is making a statement, which we may hope is informed, expert and even correct, about the policy in a real-world situation. They are not determining that policy.

He has a duty to clearly label his scenarion properly. There was nothing ‘reasonable’ about it.

The phrase “Reasonable Worst Case” was used by SAGE 11 in the minutes I linked to earlier. It is a recognised term in government planning with a clear and useful meaning.

The phrase was missused. There was nothing remotely ‘reasonable’ about it. And knowing exactly how a scenario labelled like that will be used in the dogmatic way that is the precautionary principle, it was criminal. SAGE is responsible for thousands of deaths and miliions of lives ruined by the economic consequences of that mislabelling.
You should be ashamed of yourself having the nerve to come on here or anywhere else trying to support that decision.

Well, that’s your opinion. I disagree. So where does that leave us? I make no apology for stating what I believe to be true and relevant, and I presume you would say the same.

As to whether SAGE is “ responsible for thousands of deaths and miliions of lives ruined”: advisers advise, ministers decide.

all i can say is that it is a pity such discussions are not taking place within and between SAGE, Government and other health specialists.
this is the problem . any divergence from the accepted narrative is censored which means it is not being questioned or discussed

If they want to escape the blame they should stick to advising, and cut out the TV personality bit. But they are drunk on their own importance, their day in the sun.

Given Ferguson’s appalling record he should have been laughed out of the room, not listened to at such length that he managed to infect everyone present with the virus.

At the risk of tiring my more attentive readers, let me re-iterate two points. The RWC did not depend on Ferguson’s model; and Ferguson’s track record has been systematically misrepresented.

no, apparently even worse it depended on someone’s fag packet, or perhaps postage stamp would be more accurate. And yes I for one am tired of you!

“fag packet”: I doubt it. I showed how a “back of an envelope” calculation could be used to give a similar figure. If you are tired of reading what is written by myself, or any other contributor for that matter, there’s a simple procedure — the name or pseudonym of the contributor is given in bold green print at the top of each comment: you may find it helpful in avoiding comments by people you do not wish to read.

Are you Ferguson’s latest polyamorous lover?

I have never met Prof. Ferguson, and have no particular connexion with him or his research group.

… and if the exercise is as relevant to the real world as the modeler just sitting in a hermetically sealed room playing with him/herself – i.e it’s no more than a form of computer gaming???

True of course. But there’s a range between having no connexion with reality, and taking responsibility for controlling it.

If the advice is used for real world policy then it is subject to the same safety considerations for other fields including food and water safety. There’s no two tier system when it comes to people’s lives.

The issue it seems is “Do the modellers know this? Have they been appraised of it?”

A lot of them from ICL seem to like going on TV and pontificating what people should do which sounds a lot like trying to directly influence real world policy.

Saying that they are not determining policy implies that there is a stage where the academic modelling is independently scrutinised to see if it is fit for use in the real world. That is meets the same safety standards as in other fields.

Do you know if this stage is being done? Is there a Validation and Verification part to SAGE?

I don’t see it. It looks very much like from the Mouth of God To Thy Lips. So I think that’s why Mike Yeadon is concerned. If you don’t have that stage, the onus is then on those who provide the information to do it.

Is there a Validation and Verification part to SAGE?

That’s a good question, and I think does point up a weakness in our policy-making. There should be a challenge coming back from policy makers and decision makers, but this isn’t prioritised by our political system. As to scientific challenge: this is supposed to be internalised in SAGE and its working groups such as SPI-M: I’m not in a position to say whether that works well or not. Having a “Red Team” would be an interesting half-way, and I’d like to see that tried. I’m not sure that external initiatives such as SET-C and RAMP saw that as their remit.

If the advice is used for real world policy then it is subject to the same safety considerations for other fields including food and water safety. There’s no two tier system when it comes to people’s lives.

You can’t put more weight on advice, whether it be based on modelling or any other mode, than it can bear. But I think you’re conflating two sorts of safety: one in the giving of advice, and the other in the advice itself. If you’re saying to the advisor, do nothing unless you’re sure it’s not harmful, then no advice will ever be given (or if it is, it will be given precisely by those people who are more sure than they ought to be!). Indeed, in real-world situations, advice is usually about finding the least harmful of options all of which involve some harm, or risk of harm, to somebody. If you’re saying that advice should always include the assessment of the do-nothing option, well, that’s a standard operating principle, and this whole discussion is about how the advice for the do-nothing option was formulated, used and publicised.

That would all be easier to believe were it not for the fact that those behind the failed model were also behind a number of similar models for bird flu, CJD etc – which were, if anything, even more of a failure with more data available.

So we can believe that they did the best they could with the data available, or we can see a recurring pattern of remarkably consistent failure in modelling from the same people.

I’m not an epidemiologist, not even close. But I do have a background in research and an interest in this topic from my time as a journalist. I looked at the data coming out of China early in the outbreak and drew my own conclusions on how the outbreak would impact mortality: it is extremely concerning to me that a rank amateur like me was much closer to what happened than the government’s modelling. It was clear from the start that the illness only really affected people who were old and sick. The earliest data showed the vast majority of deaths occurred in people who two or more major co-morbidities.

There is no way to dress up Imperial’s modelling and advice as anything other than an abject, possibly criminal, failure that is consistent with their track record of appalling failure in public health modelling.

I don’t think you quite appreciated the point that the estimate in question is not dependent on any model, or indeed really any model at all. The question that the RWC is designed to address in planning is, “Can you cope with the consequences of this scenario”, and the answer, in the unmitigated scenario, is a clear “No”. The precise numbers, be they 400,000 or 510,000 or 600,000 are not really the point. The point is the single word “No”.

Here’s a back of an envelope calculation that gives a similar answer: R about 3 means herd immunity threshold about 66%. Zero pre-existing immunity means all 66% come from infections, so about 50 million cases (disease doesn’t stop dead at the epidemic threshold). IFR about 1% means 500,000 deaths. The three key parameters are underlined. Those are what the best available data gave in early February, and more importantly shows that small variations in the parameters lead to similar answers.

In passing, the trope that the model was used, and was a failure in all the cases you mention is not correct, although it is assiduously promoted here and elsewhere. The F&M modelling fed into disastrous decisions, I’m prepared to say. The vCJD model produced answers that are entirely consistent with what happened, if you read the paper rather than the exaggerated media presentation. The avian flu figure was an off-the-cuff response to a journalist’s question about a purely hypothetical scenario. And so on.

Rather like the modelling itself, I think you are spinning a tale based on technicalities. I don’t doubt what you are saying, but it is clear that the government themselves believed that 500,000 people would – not might, not could, would – die without lockdown.

Now who made them believe that and why, I think needs to be uncovered. But whether through poor/dishonest modelling, poor/dishonest communication or straight up corruption – there was a systemic and absolute failure from Imperial that has had appalling consequences for all of us.

spinning a tale based on technicalities

I’m discussing the technicalities, of course, which seems reasonable as they were part of Dr Yeadon’s presentation. “Spinning a tale” sounds like an imputation of intellectual dishonesty, which I reject.

You continue to, using your words, exhibit intellectual dishonesty. your whole theses is dependent on two assertions;
Firstly that the information that Yeadon quotes was not available to SAGE.
Secondly that the scenario by Imperial was ‘reasonable’.
I dismiss the second assertion as its clearly nonsense, however you try hard to dress it up.
The first assumption might have some truth if the people constituting SAGE did not have the experience or knowledge that many epidimiologists and virologists have. I think SAGE were completely top heavy in mathematicians and modellers and did not have the depth or spread of knowledge. Whitty and Vallance seem most to blame for this as they seem to be recruiters.
However it exhibits considerable intellectual arrogance, shared by yourself it seems, not to realise this, and to ask for extra input when faced by decisions of such importance. The same accusation can be levelled at the politicians.
And blanketing all of this is the over-reaching precautionary principle which seems to stop people thinking rationally.

I’m not sure how much dishonesty was involved. Some I suspect – and also that the victims of that dishonesty include the modellers themselves. I think they spent so much of their own self-capital on the model being right that their egos could not countenance it being wrong.

So even though any reasonable person, looking at the data on deaths coming from China, would immediately see a projected 500,000 deaths as a ridiculous figure and therefore try to re-evaluate why the model was coming up with such an anomaly, the scientists at Imperial had invested so much of their reputation and self-worth in being right that they found it easier to see the real world as the error and the model as the truth.

Dishonest or ego – there is no way to dress this that doesn’t make them an embarrassing and dangerous failure, or excuse them from what should – and hopefully will happen: the evisceration of their professional reputations and the end of their careers.

As I’ve pointed out, the model has little to do with the precise numerical figure of 510,000 which can be replicated using just three things. The value of that calculation in that it shows you what are the things you need to know — and indeed, that’s an important outcome of the modelling process, before you even get to running the model.

Anyone can invent numbers similar to your back of an envelope numbers. The data from South Korea in January did not support your ‘worse case’ numbers or anything like it.
In any case it was very well known that cross immunity can and does happen, ie the original SARS infection. And it was always well known that the 4 coronoavirus helping to make up the common cold would very likely provide the same sort of cross immunity.
In essence your argument that yoiur numbers constitute ‘reasonable’ is totally incorrect. Its fine as a ‘worse case’ in a range of scenarios but should be labelled as such in arange of say 5/6 scenarios.
I am not surprised you and others support these WCs as a basis for planning policy, its exactly the same as society faces with ‘climate change’ scenarios and people continually using the +4C by the end of the century, the one that includes an estimate of coal use as 10 times current use. GIGO.

Anyone can invent numbers

I do not think that is what SAGE did. As I understand it, they were faced with limited and inconsistent data, and made a decision based on what was in front of them. If you have evidence to the contrary, by all means present it.

‘climate change’

Nothing to do with this discussion.

Computer modelling.crap in crap out.Fergusons model was based on a flawed IFR which was based on 6 flights out of China.He assumed no pre immunity and it was based on a 13 year old model that was developed for a flu outbreak.

Computer modelling.crap in crap out.

Up to a point. A useful model allows to to determine the extent to which the outputs depend on the exactness of the inputs, and, in some but not all cases, give an estimated range for the outputs corresponding to the uncertainties in the inputs.

developed for a flu outbreak

While I haven’t studied Ferguson’s model in detail, the point about epidemic modelling is that it models, well, epidemics. Covid and flu are not so different that different principles apply to their models. The devil is in the detail. One criticism of Ferguson’s model might be that it is too detailed …

The significance of the modelling imo, politically, was the undue credence it provided for the worst case hypotheticals you describe.

The issue with “reasonable worst case” here is first, whether it is really meaningfully “reasonable”, given it requires multiple rather unlikely assumptions to come true – that the ifr would not decline significantly from early estimates, that the disease was unlike other coronaviruses in circulation, that voluntary and spontaneous changes in behaviour would not kick in to mitigate any real problem.

Second, the problem is that even that [un]reasonable worst case scenario was not some kind of end of civilisation apocalypse. Given a determination to run on an emergency footing, there’s no reason we could not have ridden out half a million deaths, even if there were some more due to overloading of hospitals (which occurred anyway as a matter of panic policy response).

Yes, some people would have died. Perhaps our loss of population would have doubled for the year, from about 1% to about 2%. But this was never a disease that attacked the people who run the basic services unduly. It was never gong to disrupt supply chains or production, unless we allowed, nay encourage it to, as we foolishly have done.

It’s all about undue fear and excess caution, replacing “keep calm and carry on”, as the basic operating principle for society and for governance.

These are all good points, and deserve discussion. The answer to the question of whether the NHS, and civil society generally, could cope with ten times the level of cases and deaths that we had in spring is not to be found in this computation, of course!

Obviously “could cope with” needs to be interpreted carefully, in the context of a worst case disaster. The point is it would not be an apocalyptic disaster, just a disaster.

But nobody honest could deny that the economic, cultural and social; effects of the policies adopted constitute a “disaster” as well. Perhaps less intense, but much longer lasting and probably much more costly.

We’ve basically exchanged the risk of a disaster for the certainty of one.

I agree that these are discussions that deserve to be held. My overarching point is that these are discussions to be held on the basis of how policy actually was, or should have been, made, not on the basis of the incorrect and frankly rather reckless assertions of Dr Yeadon which I quoted and which were the subject of my initial comments.

Agree with you completely. Even with WCS not apocalyptic. The problem with all the discussion in this thread is the notion that we somehow can mitigate this. The mathematical modellers have no idea how bad the evidence is for mitigation and it could certainly not be quantified. The evidence for SD is extremely weak and even school closures are not certain. How on earth can you quantify the effect of SD? Is 2 m distance 25% better than 1,5m? Is only 5 people gathering 100% better than 50? The evidence for SD is so weak that to quantify it (and use in modelling) is impossible. This is a vicious circle. The epidemiologist can only guestimate the effect and feed the mathematicians this, and who will churn out different scenarios. Then letting incompetent politicians decide is bound to end in a catastrophically results.

SAGE presented modelling scenarios that – bar one – were massively out of line with actuality.

I don’t recall any outcry from the theoretical modelling world that the data was being abuse.

Really? Which SAGE meetings or papers are you referring to?

“ it is extremely concerning to me that a rank amateur like me was much closer to what happened than the government’s modelling.”

… and I guess that sums up the scepticism of the many who actually looked at the data consistently rather than played games.

Er, the point about the RWC estimate is that it was for the counter-factual scenario of nothing at all being done. Of course the outcome, for a radically different scenario, was different.

As to the wisdom of the rank amateur, there is a selection bias here. The rank amateurs whose predictions did not come true are hardly likely to be commenting here. It’s about as useful as suggesting that a rank amateur can predict lottery numbers.

Bet your a Holocaust denier in your spare time…

No.

I don’t think there is any need for such a comment. Richard Pinch is perfectly entitled to post here and be disagreed with without recourse to offensiveness.

Thanks.

Yes, I agree with you on that, Will.

In fact, Richard Pinch is an intelligent and informed commenter who brings valuable expertise and makes points well, and courteously. I write that even though I disagree with him on many of them,….

And unlike Mayo, Richard Pinch is not here on the wind up.

Again, thanks, much appreciated.

I am the same as Jakehadlee. I was sitting in Bongkok with loads of Chinese from Wuhan when this thing started in earnest in January. I also did back of an envelope calculations, using information then available from China and South Korea. It is not true to say data was not available then, it was not from western sources, but it was available.
Also you have deliberately misinterpreted ‘unaccountable’. Yeardon clearly means The Professor at Imperial can’t apparantly get sacked for continually getting his modelling wrong. He has an awful track record. He deals in GIGO.
You also deliberately misinterpret ‘reasonable’ in RWC. There is nothing reasonable in using outlier inputs into scenario building, its just ‘worse case’. You seem to advocate the worst of ‘precautionary principle’ use in policy decisions. If this was followed to a logical conclusion the human race would never have left its caves. Risk is an important part of the risk/reward balance.
This is just a badly constructed attempt at justifying ‘the expert’ and passing the buck to ‘the politician’. Something Whitty and Valance practiced with aplomb in front of the Select Committee. Then the politicians simpley retort they are ‘following the science’. And hey presto both sets of incompetents wriggle free.
This is coupled with what seems a poor attempt at belittling Yeardon.

It is not true to say data was not available then

And I didn’t say that. I said “very limited knowledge”.

You also deliberately misinterpret ‘reasonable’ in RWC.

No, I don’t. You disagree with whether it is reasonable, that’s all. You refer to “outlier” estimates and I disagree, on the basis of what was known at the time.

you have deliberately misinterpreted ‘unaccountable’

It would improve our discussion if you were to address opinions different to your own without assuming intellectual dishonesty.

‘intellectual dishonesty’ , your words., not mine.

Indeed. Your words were “ deliberately misinterpreted ” which you wrote twice. That’s an accusation of intellectual dishonesty, and I reject it. You apparently now wish to distance yourself from that accusation. Do you therefore accept that such an accusation would be unfounded?

I hear you Richard Pinch and up voted you accordingly. The problem for Ferguson is that a Nobel prize winner emailed him and advised that the data from various settings, including the Diamond Princess cruise ship, indicated that there was significant pre existing immunity to the virus. Ferguson didn’t reply to Michael Levitt so we can’t know whether or not he read the advice. But, quite frankly, it is immaterial, if Ferguson read the advice and ignored it he is an arrogant, ignorant prick who has blood on his hands; if he didn’t read the advice he is an arrogant, ignorant prick who has blood on his hands.

I don’t know what Levitt wrote or how Ferguson reacted. I have read Levitt’s later preprint Predicting the Trajectory of Any COVID19 Epidemic From the Best Straight Line and on that basis I would hardly hold him up as an authority.

Levitt’s revelation that he had emailed Ferguson imploring him to have another look at the available data was the moment I realised a catastrophic mistake was being made. My understanding is He wasn’t predicting what would happen, just that there was data that contradicted the in put Ferguson was using for his model. If such data existed, and it did, Ferguson choosing to ignore it meant he wasn’t modelling on a reasonable worst case scenario, he was modelling on a scenario which the available data simply didn’t support.

As I said, data was partial and inconsistent. SAGE chose a set of parameters as their best assessment, see minutes of SAGE 11. It’s not correct to say the data did not support that choice.

The data selected for use did not support that choice is not the same as the data did not support that choice.

If the data was partial and inconsistent can the outcome from it be described as a “reasonable” worst case scenario? This is where mathematics moves into semantics. On the same theme, given the RWC is predicated on “doing nothing” it is completely meaningless because nobody is going to “do nothing” in the face of a virus. In practical, real world terms it is beyond disingenuous to suggest that the 510,000 figure was based on a “do nothing” scenario. The message was clear, if you don’t lock down 510,000 people will die to claim otherwise, as Ferguson has done stretches credulity considerably beyond its elastic limit.

I think that, whatever position you take on this question, it tends to support my initial comment, which was that is was simply not correct to ascribe the blame for — well, whatever you find blameworthy — on “ extraordinary errors in modelling created by unaccountable academics” as Dr Yeadon is happy to do.

Mathematics is not the driver for whether or not you agree that the “Reasonable Worst Case” reasonable or not. That’s a matter of assessing the real-world paramaters that you feed into your model, and the real-world conclusions you derive from its output. Since “semantics” refers to using words in such a way as to be understood accurately by others, I’m always puzzled by the way people seem to use it as if it were some kind of knock-down refutation.

By the way, I’m happy to criticise the use or abuse of a RWC as a prediction, no matter by whom.

“Something which was not available in early February.”
Two words, “diamond”, and “princess”

Thanks, I have heard of it. As I was careful to say earlier, the information was limited and not consistent. Decisions had to be made. Those decisions may or may not have been, but they had to be made, and were made. All of which has nothing to do with the alleged errors in modelling that Dr Yeadon lays the blame on, incorrectly in my view.

I fail to understand the amount of time you spend on defending the modeling process when, in practical terms, it has been so useless in so many instances.

The best that you might argue is that it is a very immature theoretical process that needs a lot of development to make it valid and reliable. But it certainly isn’t something that should, without massive qualification, be linked to policy formation.

The distinguishing feature of Imperial College’s work in the field is its faiure of accurate prediction – i.e. of its main purpose.

Well, I’m happy to admit that as a practising professional mathematician I have an interest in seeing mathematical modelling, which I know to be a valuable tool when correctly applied, and mathematical modellers, some of whom are colleagues of mine, blamed for things that are doing things they did not do, or for not doing things that they could not do.

It’s particularly worth refuting such incorrect assertions when they are made by someone such as Dr Yeadon, who as a professional in a related scientific discipline, ought to know better.

I think this is all a bit of an intellectual exercise because I think even you, Richard Pinch, would now acknowledge that the figure of 500,000 deaths was nonsense because it was predicated on an IFR that was too high and the supposition that no one had any pre existing immunity to sars-cov-2.

It’s an intellectual exercise until you read something like Dr Yeadon’s

due to extraordinary errors in modelling created by unaccountable academics at Imperial College, the country was told to expect over a half a million deaths.

which is, in my view, quite wrong.

the figure of 500,000 deaths was nonsense

As I’ve repeatedly said, the precise figure is less important than the policy answer “Can we cope with the result of the do-nothing scenario”. I think the answer “No” was likely to be the right one, then and now. “Nonsense”: no — “best answer at the time”: yes — “best answer in hindsight”: near enough.

I was getting worried about you we hadn’t heard from you for so long;but as soon as Ferguson’s report is mention ed you reappear with the same tired discredited arguments.

Thank you for your concern. My arguments may be tired, but the energy with which people choose to misrepresent Ferguson seems tireless. As to “discredited”, that’s your view and you are entitled to it.

In my view, the conservative estimate of little-to-no pre-existing immunity was the correct assumption to make at the time, based on very limited knowledge about the virus at that stage.

Richard – we’ve disagreed on this before, and I’m reposting something similar to what I’ve posted on here preciously, in reply to both you and Mayo, but to which I don’t recall seeing counter arguments.

Fundamentally, I remain of the opinion that SAGE were wrong to assume 100% susceptibility – even back in March, let alone later in the spring and even now.

At parameters R0 = 2.5 to 3, and infectious for about 5 days, the disease spreads fast, and given that each infected person is infectious before they know they have the disease, it is essentially uncontrollable without an absolutely draconian lockdown, the likes of which we have not seen.

But by February the disease was out and about, world-wide, and couldn’t be contained. At R0 = 2.8, infectious for 5 days, 100% susceptible, 0.9% IFR, the bodies would have been piling high in China long before. But they weren’t. Time therefore to revisit the assumptions. R0 and 5 days had been observed; they were probably close to correct. That leaves IFR and susceptibility. It was clear that those assumptions could not be correct. Even back in February and March.

That SAGE, Vallance and Whitty are still essentially assuming 100% susceptibility (minus the about 7% who have identifiable antibodies) is, frankly, astonishing, and points to its own story. And it isn’t a pretty one.

That SAGE, Vallance and Whitty are still essentially assuming 100% susceptibility (minus the about 7% who have identifiable antibodies) is, frankly, astonishing, and points to its own story.

Ah, that’s a different matter. The situation still is not clear though. If we take 7% seroprevalence (15% in London) then there have been about 5 million infections, and 50,000 deaths, which is about 1% IFR. If we look at New York, with about deaths 0.25% of the entire population, then IFR clearly is at least 0.25%, and if there had been 50% pre-existing immunity, that would be an IFR of at least 0.5%. On the other hand, Manaus and Guayaquil seem to have reached herd immunity at around 30% suggesting pre-existing immunity of maybe 50% (or other effects such as differential susceptibility). On the other other hand, there’s a seroprevalence figure of 50% for Manaus which if correct, suggests a lower but non-zero pre-existing immunity. And so on.

Let’s suppose, though, that SAGE had taken a 50% pre-existing immunity. The do-nothing scenario would had led to around 30% of cases, maybe 200,000 deaths. It seems to me that this would have been the same answer to the question “Can we cope?”, ie still “No”.

So how did you verify the infections and deaths were properly attributed?

That’s what validation and verification are about.

We know in the UK that flu tests were not done for a large number of people as resources were tight, hence those “Covid” cases are nothing of the sort.

I did not personally verify them, of course. Did you personally validate and verify those things “we know”? There comes a point when we decide who and what to trust.

Try and talk about something other than mathematical modelling Richard for christ sake. It really does become terribly boring after a while.This shit show is about so much more than models…you really give boffins a bad name. Why not have a break and talk about eg police tactics,censorship,rights and freedoms,the economy….anything!!!

I discuss what I’m interested in, and no doubt others do the same. Mathematical modelling was explicitly mentioned in Dr Yeadon’s “blockbuster piece” which is the lead topic on today’s posting.

As for giving boffins a bad name, that’s precisely what Dr Yeadon does in the comment I originally quoted at the top of this thread, not to mention the majority of other people commenting here. My purpose, in case you hadn’t gathered, was to restore some balance to that particular discussion.

If you don’t want to read what someone writes, I draw your attention to the fact that the name of the author is written in bold green at the top of each comment,

Thanks for your reply. Sorry I haven’t replied earlier – been out and about.

I haven’t looked at my speadsheet model since late April, and now I just have it’s a right mess and I can’t remember what I was doing (although I knew at he time). Bit like the Imperial model suppose.

So do you accept my point that SAGE should have allowed for the concept of some population immunity back in Feb/March? Seems obvious to me that they should have done. Had I been at those meetings I would certainly have pressed the matter.

As I say, I can’t run my own model just now, but – off the top of my head- your implied new figure of 150k deaths seems a plausible calculation (30% of 500k). But that’s based on an IFR of 0.9% – which again I would dispute. If for example, we take 0.3% (which seems much more realistic now, or even much lower – depends on how an ‘infection’ is defined), we get 45k deaths – not far from where we are now – and at the point that both I and Dr Yeadon think the virus-wave is essential over. And can we cope with that – yes.

I take your point about the New York IFR pointing towards an IFR of 0.5% or even higher. But there was a lot going on in NY, which we still don’t understand – in particular population demographics, which may have led to a higher than normal IFR, and – for example – factors like air pollution (which I suspect may also be a factor).

But I come back to my original point. I believe that (and have explained why) SAGE should have allowed for the concept of substantial population immunity even back in February, and the IFR of 0.9% was also suspicious back then. But they don’t seem to have asked these questions. Why? My suspicion is that they didn’t want to know, and were interested only in pushing the most apocalyptic scenario they could get away with.

do you accept my point that SAGE should have allowed for the concept of some population immunity back in Feb/March?

If you’re asking, should they have explicitly asked themselves what the correct assumption, or range of assumptions, was for pre-existing immunity, then my answer is, yes they should. Indeed, since it’s explicitly a basic parameter of most reasonable models, the modelling process would have thrown it up as a necessary input. I’m not in a position to say how such as discussion might have gone.

If you’re asking, should they have assumed a value other than zero for a Reasonable Worst Case scenario, then my opinion (which is what it is) is, no.

I thought I heard that for SARS1 it was already known that some people had existing immunity owing to previous exposure to coronavirus colds. By extension, there was clearly a very realistic probability of pre-existing immunity to SARS2. (Although I can’t get a source for this at the moment, so may be mistaken – I don’t know if anyone else can confirm/deny.)

In any event, I find it astonishing that SAGE did not allow for this. And as I’ve explained, by March there was good indirect evidence of widespread pre-existing immunity to SARS2. And anyone playing with the figures, even on a simple spreadsheet as I did, would quickly realise that the level of pre-existing immunity was an absolutely fundamental and primary assumption for any calculations.

But SAGE just didn’t want to know. They didn’t appear to want to have, as you accurately out it, explicitly asked themselves what the correct assumption, or range of assumptions, was for pre-existing immunity’. Why ever not??

There is an important difference between a reasonable WCS and an extreme WCS. SAGE appears always to have based their advice on extreme WCSs. If we work on extreme WCSs we wouldn’t ever leave the house, and even that might be too dangerous. (Which funnily enough is what they advised.)

That even as late as this autumn SAGE appear to deny the possibility of pre-existing immunity, and even of T cell immunity is astounding.

In my view, this fully justifies Dr Yeadon’s criticisms of them. They have a great deal to answer for.

I understand that we might allow them a bit of leeway in terms of criticism in light of what they were facing back in March. Yet by late April the picture was becoming clearer. As I say though, they just didn’t want to know. Of the many legacies that will emerge from this tragedy, I think that the reputation of ‘science’ will have suffered a grievous blow.

Dr Yeadon has in fact called Prof. Vallance a liar on social media and challenged him to sue him over this. For whatever reason, the cudgels have not been taken up.

I should add that it’s a pity there isn’t a technical forum on this site, as by tomorrow this thread will be essentially lost, and at some future date we will run through all the points raised here again!

It’s important to get to the truth over matters such as this, or at least to establish what is truth and what is opinion, and what are the limits of the evidence supporting those opinions; and what is just mud-slinging.

Got to log out for the evening now.

I’m suspicious of Yeadon

Why?

I very rarely watch the commercial tv stations “live” and record the programmes and like a lot of people FF through the “adverts” but I watched itv on their “hub” last night and of course, had to sit through the “ads”.
Over the years, all of us have had to endure some “stomach churning ” drivel, but this year’s Tesco Christmas one is surely the absolute worst,( “am I on the naughty step?” complete with visors and masks.
An “old bat” whittering on about doing something in just her pants(Too much information) and asking “am I on the naughty step?”;
My wife and myself are in our early 70’s and we both find this “collaborating friendly” load of hogwash extremely patronising,insulting and degrading,
is it any wonder that seemingly the majority of our population are collaborating sheep?, watching such brain rotting drivel, open to all the government propaganda that we have had to ensure these last few months?

That Tesco one is disgusting. I could not believe what I was watching.

Agree. It’s normalising the thoroughly un-normal.

The Tesco ad is ridiculous I agree but I think the British Gas one may be even worse. It seems to go out of it’s way to tick as many boxes as possible featuring mask-wearing, a gay couple and the boiler repairman being a “person of colour” (is that the pc term, I just don’t know anymore?)

Bit off topic, I think adverts are full of ethnic people now, or mixed race couples/families, pale skinned people are almost in the minority now!
And a lot of xmas adverts are animated. Probably easier than trying to film something trying to keep to “guidelines”.

Of course, Hitchens is telling his flock that writing to MPs (who are already complicit in a heinous crime) to beg for crumbs is the only lawful means available to them, the odious little turd. Exploiting his audience’s child-like minds, he tells them that they should warn an MP that he or she could lose their seat, and this will be their leverage for influence. The revolving door from the Commons onto the board of a lobbying corporation doesn’t feature in this fairy tale scape.

Far more effective – in fact devastatingly so – than the waste of time and energy that is writing to MPs (who won’t vote against lockdown), in London this weekend, people exercised their lawful right to walk the streets, making the police arrest them for none over than that.

Non compliance, disobedience and dignity, folks, not begging for crumbs from a shower of bastards.

Prohibition and Covid-19; Part Two the Great Reset is Socialism

“ The revolving door from the Commons onto the board of a lobbying corporation doesn’t feature in this fairy tale scape.”

Do you seriously expect us to believe that Hitchens is not aware of this phenomenon, or that he approves of it?

Some MPs voted against the government last time, hopefully more will do so this time. Street protests may play a part in them changing their minds, as may them receiving large volumes of emails asking them to vote against or lose support. It’s not either/or – they are two sides of the same coin.

Hitchens has been a withering, eloquent and consistent critic of the goverment from Day 1 and his position on lockdowns is one of the most purist in so far as he places a very high price on liberty.

I don’t see how his influence on this can be anything but positive for our side.

“Non compliance, disobedience and dignity, folks, not begging for crumbs from a shower of bastards.”

They are indeed a shower of bastards, but I fail to see how noncompliance, disobedience and dignity are incompatible with writing to your MP or how that is “begging for crumbs” – simply exercising a means to try and influence those who can directly affect the direction we are going on.

I sadly agree writing to most MPs is a complete waste of time. Living in a safe Conservative seat with a very wealthy MP who is completely out of touch with how many are suffering I have grown tired of her replies simply stating the establishment narrative.

Non compliance is indeed the way forward to end the tyranny, the only problem is how to convinced the masses whilst they continue to consume state propaganda via the main stream media. As long as the government bribes people to comply most are surprisingly willing to submit. Also 150+ people on Saturday were kidnapped for several hours and extorted which frightens many.

If your MP received many thousands of emails on this subject, almost all expressing scepticism, it might well make a difference

The trouble is if the politician is completely unwilling to look at any alternative view points, it really feels like it is a waste of time and energy, people acting normally is what the authoritarians hate the most. The police on Saturday looked completely disgusted by people not acting like obedient slaves.

I would also suggest boycotting the companies who are pushing compliance and mask wearing via their advertising campaigns as much as possible.

You may disagree with his strategy but Hitchens is not the enemy here.

… and an article like this one : “ Prohibition and Covid-19; Part Two the Great Reset is Socialism ”

… is typical of what is not effective if you want to generate wide support. It’s immediate bin-fodder.

The Great Reset is not socialism. Unless a massive upflow of wealth to the billionaires is considered so. Agree about Hitchens. He’s happy for others to risk being beaten up by police for his freedom

One thing apparent from being in Central London on Saturday was the fear of the virus is real by seeing so many young people masked up. We are in an information war with the powers that be controlling most of the mas media including social media as seen from Youtube banning any content that doesn’t fit into this so called “New Normal”.

WE (who now know that this is all BS) need a new approach to taking on the apparent destruction of life and freedoms as we know it. Those of us already reading lockdownsceptics are already converted to the fact that none of this makes sense, 95% of of the population are just accepting the propaganda and one sided argument dished out by media (BBC in particular) and the government. So it isn’t any wonder to understand why so many are fearful of this scamdemic. The governments (Seems pretty much the whole world) are dependent of the masses being fearful for whatever reason (Many of us have idea’s but for now we must leave conspiracy theories out of this, for now). So I’m proposing we fight back with our own information war, with our strengths being that our information is based on real scientific FACTS and truths. There’s enough information just on this site only to destroy whatever nasty plans they have for us but the only issue is getting this info out to the masses. How do we do this?

Well one suggestion I have is we produce a leaflet (Covid the facts) probably no more the a two-side A4 sheet that contains, facts (Verifiable, with references and links) There’s more than enough info just from this site alone. This will be delivered to every household in the country. There should be nothing on this printed leaflet that can be considered conspirator theorist or anti-vax etc.. The goal of this is to remove (reduce) the fear amongst the population making new government measures more difficult to implement. I would be happy to distribute this in the area I live. Not sure how the Gov. can get this banned. So we need

1. A team of writers to produce this leaflet.
2. Printers willing to mass produce this for us.
3. All of us willing to distribute this to every letter box in the country (one thing the technocrats still can’t control)

We need to take the fight to the people before it’s too late.

Thoughts?

Wonderful idea,

This is the way to go.

On bard with everything you said, although I think far more than 5% of the population are sceptical.

The Light newspaper is already doing something like this – they were looking for helpers the other day. They have a website which I am sure you can find via a search engine.

I know some young people who are scared but I think a lot of the young wearing masks in London are just virtue signalling.

https://thelightpaper.co.uk
Sign up to distribute https://thelightpaper.co.uk/distribute

The first thing I see when I hit the link was Agenda 21, this is the very thing that won’t work with the masses. In my view it needs to be based on facts and numbers that support our cause. This stuff just alienates people more. As for 95% OK that is just a figure I pulled out the air but the majority is still scared and believes world government narratives.

Agreed. Let’s stick to the knitting, as RickH would say.

Also, I would strongly suggest an inverted pyramid approach, so reading the first paragraph is all that is required to get the message.

As much as I admire Yeadon’s work, I find it hard to get through with my Internet-addled attention span. We need to be concise.

There are quite a few local distributors (none in Scotland, yet!!), great opportunity to get the paper out to shops and local areas, there isn’t enough printed at the moment for house to house distribution.

Well worth £5 a month!!!!

“95% of of the population are just accepting the propaganda”. No they aren’t – and now I have to wonder why you’ve done that.

In any case; folks, don’t worry about shining up pearls to be cast before swine. The first thing to do is to effectively organise the very many – and it’s certainly way more than 5% – who know that “Covid-19” is a crock of crap. This isn’t being done – because those who you are looking to lead you on a national level aren’t there for that. You must organise in your own communities.

A List Of FBEL’s Covid-19 Articles – And Brief Comments Regarding Continuation Of Coronahoax .

It’s great to see constructive ideas, and I flinch at being a party pooper. But :

“getting this info out to the masses”

…. isn’t the only issue.

A key issue is getting it accepted into conciousness, rather than being just dismissed as another of those ‘conspiracy theories’.

I’m writing this just after talking to a family member who had one of the really bad genuine attacks of Covid-19 during the real first wave, in London.

Getting over the Fear barrier, driven by all the official propaganda (never mind real personal experience) is the really hard ask, even when good information is out there.

A sane official response to an epidemic would, of course, incorporate a strategy for keeping things in perspective and minimising panic. This government has done the precise opposite – and it is the only thing in which they’ve been successful.

@RickH I never said it was the only issue but as you rightfully point out in your last paragraph

<i>”A sane official response to an epidemic would, of course, incorporate a strategy for keeping things in perspective and minimising panic. This government has done the precise opposite – and it is the only thing in which they’ve been successful.”</i>

This is way I’m proposing we put things in propspective to minimise fear that unfortunately the government should’ve done.

<i>”A key issue is getting it accepted into conciousness, rather than being just dismissed as another of those ‘conspiracy theories’.”</i>

That’s why it’s important to stick to facts and verifiable numbers. Any suggestion of conspiracies will be rejected immediately by the masses.

We can’t deny the virus isn’t nasty for some and doesn’t exist but we have to put this in context and help reduce the fear.

there’s a job for prof Zimmer – and his Chicago Principles – as Eton head, hopefully imminently.

May have been shared before but worth a repost and certainly a listen if you haven’t already:

What a world-leading Vaccine expert has to say…

https://adapnation.io/what-a-world-leading-vaccine-expert-has-to-say/

Great update – thanks.

Terrific work from Mike Yeadon.

I can’t thank Dr Mike Yeadon enough for expert guidance. I have had my livelihood completely destroyed by Government policy. I know now it’s all been in vain and the Government are just doubling down to hide their error.

That much was evident six months ago, sadly.

Isn’t it strange how BJ’s attitude to windmills is so contradictary. On the one hand he advocates covering the entire country with them in the vain hope of providing us with enough electicity for our compulsory electric vehicles, whilst on the other hand he continues to relentlessly tilt at them with his Quixote like corona policy.

I suppose it makes sense to him, just not the rest of us.

Whilst I am here, tomorrow is the vote in parliament on the latest ’tilting’ exercise so today is your last chance to influence your MP.

As many have done before, I recommend the site: https://www.writetothem.com/ for the easiest way to register your protest if you haven’t already done so.

This is part of an article (one of a 5 part series) from Corey’s Digs
https://www.coreysdigs.com/health-science/covid-19-pt-2-cdcs-new-pic-and-the-hidden-data/ It’s based in US – worth a read. She does articles on Great Reset too, for anyone interested

Recap

• The Covid Tracking Project alleges nearly 256,000 people have died from Covid as of November 27, while Johns Hopkins and google reflect nearly 266,000. That in itself is quite a discrepancy.

• As noted in Corey’s Digs Hospitalizations article , the Covid Tracking Project has officially hidden the cumulative hospitalizations (because it doesn’t hold water), as well as the recovery column (because it’s good news) from their website, and can only be viewed by downloading the data via csv file

• The CDC has stated that only 6% of death certificates indicated Covid-19 as the only cause

• They are lumping Covid-related deaths in with influenza and pneumonia as “PIC”

• 94% of Covid-related deaths have on average 2.6 comorbidities, with 40% of all deaths taking place in nursing homes, long-term care facilities, and hospice

• Only 6.6% of those who get tested, are testing positive, and of those 90% are asymptomatic, while multiple studies have shown tests pumping out false/positives

• The media has created a frenzy over hospitalizations, which are far less than the 810,000 cases during the 2017-2018 influenza season, and there are currently an alleged 91,635 Covid-related hospitalizations across the entire U.S. as of November 28

• Those already dying from life-threatening illnesses, who happen to test positive for Covid, are being added to the Covid-19 death totals, despite the fact that 90% of them show no symptoms

• Original models suggested 1-2 million people would die in the U.S. alone from Covid. They allege 256,000 have, with 94% having comorbidities. To put this in perspective, over 600,000 people died of cancer last year, 655,000 people die each year from heart disease, and between 250,000 – 440,000 people die each year from medial errors

• They allege that masks work, yet after 8 months of wearing them they allege people are dying

• They closed down the economy, people lost their businesses, millions of people are waiting in food lines each week, the suicide rate has drastically climbed, elective surgeries and other life-threatening diseases were all put on hold and caused deaths, and masks are mandatory in many places causing infections and other serious issues – all totally unwarranted and unconstitutional

And yet, despite all of this manipulation, the fact of the matter is, the survival rate would only go up from what is already incredibly high.

We now know the numbers are being hidden and manipulated. They are also trying to create mass panic over hospitalizations that don’t even compare to the hospitalizations witnessed in the 2017-2018 flu season. Part 3 of this 5-part report will cover the data behind nursing homes, hospice, and long-term care facilities. It is a tragedy what they are putting the elderly and their families through during this time.

As I said yesterday, in some ways that 94.6% figure could look scary if you are 70+ and healthy. A better way to look at it would be “what are my chances of dying this year” and then look at “what are my chances of dying of covid if I catch it” and I think you’ll find the two figures are very similar and many would look at them and start to realise they may as well get on with life and stop worrying. For any doubters you could throw in “what are my chances of dying this year if I catch flu or a cold or some other respiratory infection”.

Boris “ Once again, the British people have come together to bring Covid under control. ”

That’s like suggesting the population of a prison have come together to reduce the rates of murder and burglary. It’s not a choice. We legally are not allowed to do anything else. We haven’t “come together”, we’ve been legally forced to stay apart. That’s all, Boris. Just like the population of a prison is legally held so as to not commit murder and burglary

I thought we’d all been not complying properly, disobeying the rules, not distancing, etc etc…Hence the need for the ruinous fines and over zealous policing.

As expected, on the eve of a huge vote, the Government’s friends at Imperial step in with their latest REACT study that claims that Tiers and Lockdown are just the job.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55124286

The React-1 study is highly respected and gives us the most up-to-date picture of Covid-19 in the country.

BBC lie right there.

Prof Paul Elliott, who leads the study, said the data offered “encouraging signs” for England’s epidemic.

“These trends suggest that the tiered approach helped to curb infections in [the worst-affected areas] and that lockdown has added to this effect.

Well, it’s Elliott, isn’t it?

Respected by WHO EXACTLY?

Yeah, I know. The BBC and Handjob, I assume.

Nice link to Lockdown Sceptics on the top reply though.

the tiered approach helped to curb infections in [the worst-affected areas] and that lockdown has added to this effect

This is all-but admitting that lockdown 2 was never necessary to “keep the virus under control”, surely?

Well if Tiers were working, it proves that the second lockdown was unnecessary doesn’t it? And that the new “tougher” tiers are also a load of cr*p? They can’t have it both ways.

Arse covering both cheeks.

Nick R has just blown this argument, with the figures for Leicester.

Nick’s right, of course; we all know that. They know it, too.

Whitty blew the argument himself when he told the Health Select Committee (in June, I think) that the pandemic had peaked before the first lockdown started.

Imperial and SAGE know they are lying when they claim the lockdowns and tiers made the changes we are seeing.

Just saw this little gem on Talk Radio..Basically the police illegaly enter a students house, tell them to open every room and then tell him to go to bed ( in his own house!!!) He is fucking 22! We now live in East Germany in 1975 and I love how he says that every day he is in fear that somebody will knock his door down and barge in..Not the criminals the police and the Stasi ( Covid Marshalls) Fuck them too the moon!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?edufilter=NULL&v=ZOlyv_zVHl8

Should sue as that’s illegal.

Absolutely. Poor sods. Even when they aren’t doing anything ‘wrong’ (when actually they should be as it’s their right of passage) they are terrified out of their wits that their homes are going to be unlawfully broken into. It’s absolutely disgusting.

I have written twice to the Attorney General to question the whole legal side of this virus hoo-haa and how the Police are using the law, no reply to date. Unless you have the sort of money that Simon Dolan has it is difficult to know how you can take any legal action on this?

See my reply above.

Correct; it is not that difficult or expensive to take a civil action to court, and to make a formal complaint to the IOPC. They must be encouraged to do this. See Crimebodge on YouTube or Ian Gould (Solicitor).

Yes I heard that, I thought I was dreaming – sometimes have to pinch myself.

Ouch! No still awake!

Good morning everyone. I took the opportunity to write to my local MP, Douglas Ross( leader of the Scottish Conservatives and proud possessor of one of the smallest majorities in the land) threatening dire consequences if he voted the wrong way tomorrow. He actually responded personally (and it was him not his secretary ) saying that he would be voting against the Government tomorrow.

Maybe there is still hope to be found in the the representatives of the people.

I have also been sounding out the higher ups about forming
an alternative Parliament since the existing one seems to be effectively derelict in its duties. What do you all think? I am serious about this. I think it might work. We need a flag to rally to.

Good work James. I wrote to him a few months back but didn’t get a reply. Might do it again today.

“Maybe there is still hope to be found in the the representatives of the people.”

I give you the words of Karl Urban, as Eomer : “Look for your friends. But do not trust to hope. It has forsaken these lands.”

Ok, this demonstrates the censorship going on regarding the truth about all this shit.

I have since been banned from commenting on the scummy Edinburgh live rag, because I comment against the fear mongering narrative. So, I left a comment saying

“Fuck You Edinburgh Live, the truth hurts & it will come out but you can’t have that happen on here because you have to keep up the fear mongering stories”

Then, another reach plc publication, the daily record, you can’t comment on their articles usually, but, wobetide anyone who speaks the truth, you get made out to be a conspiracy theorist, as demonstrated here

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-conference-host-blasted-dangerous-23089502

I am really feeling angry at all of this now.
So much for free speech & opinions.

I went through a similar banning on a local forum recently. The opening post from an admin was a large piece blaming rule breakers for brining another lockdown and that our poor NHS was overwhelmed.

I pointed out that the same admin had scared people in March claiming our town would get 4,000 deaths from Covid if businesses did not lockdown. We’ve had about 100. 70% of ehcib are over 80 and average life expectancy is 78. Simple stuff. They actually have patted themselves on the back saying they saved all these lives because they acted early. Idiots of course.

I was rounded on by a few people with slurs. I asked the admin to remove their posts as it was against the rules of the forum as stated in their bio.

I got banned. They are the worst kind of zealots. They think that they are a positive force for the community and always insist on positive posts that celebrate the town.

They are self appointed community leaders and not a critical thought enters their mind. They say the don’t do politics but are overtly so, hiding it behind their virtue signalling.

It’s everywhere. People even self censor and they don’t eve know it

Well said. & true.

Nicla looks like shit sturgeon on marr yesterday.

There was a moment when nicla defended scotlands 30x worse than Norway covie death stats. A commentor from the pro Scottish independence website Wings Over Scotland spotted this fatal flaw with niclas words –

“”– says:
29 November, 2020 at 4:06 pm
Quoting Mrs. Murrell:

“excess deaths in Scotland have actually been lower than in England but a higher proportion of these excess deaths have been attributed to Covid.”

So she’s actually admitting that the Covid figures are falsified.””

If anyone missed the blink-o-rama that was nicla looks like shit sturgeon’s performance on marr the wings article has the video embedded, the article is a good summary of the current state of affairs.

Enjoy https://wingsoverscotland.com/titanic-blinky/
It makes lovely reading.

*looks like shit is the phrase being used by many a pro scottish independence support just now.

She is an arsehole.

If you read the rest of the column, you’ll see that the Dear Leader is about to throw her deputy under a bus in what’s turning into a major scandal over her apparent witch hunt for Alex Salmond, which is being investigated by the Scottish Parliament. This sacrifice (John Swinney) may not be enough to save her, but I wouldn’t doubt her cockroach-like ability to survive. Good to see the parliament actually trying to scrutinise the government for a change.

Otherwise, yes, the SNP always compares Scotland to England (an obsession for nationalists) unless some other comparison is brought in from abroad to make Scotland look good. Funny to see the Scandinavian case NOT to Sturgeon’s liking this time; normally, Norway is an SNP favourite, despite the fact that there is nothing Scandinavian about Scotland, apart from (perhaps) the weather.

Laurence Fox: Totally opposite concerning politics but TOTAL RESPECT concerning him and the Morgan “creature”

Leicester had Tier 3 style restrictions imposed as long ago as 29th June. This charts shows that despite that it has exactly the same profile as just about everywhere else (that had relatively few infections in the spring).

Is the apparent higher number of ‘cases’ in Leicester itself simply a reflection of a higher number of tests?

Read the Mike Yeadon piece above & watch the 10 min video he links to about the PCR casedemic & you can see it’s all Salem witch trialesque.

The argument would probably be that there was no compliance, even though it proves lockdowns have little effect.

You’re absolutely right, non compliance at Eid and Diwali. Large Asian weddings in restaurants have all got the blame , then schools and universities opening, no mask wearing. The local paper is full of this.

This kind of awfully dense thinking from the public, if allowed to take hold, will just lead to more and more bad solutions to a problem only they can see. The fundamentals are messed up so any attempt to address the casedemic just becomes self defeating

And the stupid gov will put the whole county, the most rural and little populated outside towns, into tier 3.
I really hope they will reconsider this nonsense.

So my husband and I both have it now. He got sick and tested positive. I developed symptoms one week later. I am considering whether to take the test. I know it’s completely dodgy, but if I get a positive, maybe it could work to my advantage. If I can prove I’ve had it, can I get out of taking the vaccine? Thoughts? By the way, we are doing fine.

No! Of course it won’t let you off the hook with the vaccine. The narrative is that having had a positive test doesn’t mean that you can’t be reinfected. By all means have a test if you want to but don’t expect it to confer any benefits!

There’s no get out of jail free card here. They want you to have the jab, despite what centuries of immunology tells us. Don’t have a test, you’ll just become another statistic to be used against us. Get well soon!

Testing plays its part in fuelling the nonsense

Up to you of course but aside from the vaccine question which I would doubt is relevant, the thought of having something stuck up my nose would put me off

Keep away from testing stations playing into the hands of the manipulators,if you don’t want the vaccine just say NO.

Personally, I wouldn’t support a system that is collectively shafting us.

Seems likely the line will be “we can’t absolutely guarantee that a past positive test means you either had the disease or will be immune, so we still require vaccination [to fly/travel/shop/etc etc]”.

Obviously, the money and political establishments both require a big takeup of these vaccines, so it’s pretty clear such nonsense will prevail, regardless of the inherent hypocrisy (of course, when it suits them a test absolutely is a guarantee of being ill, and immunity is long lasting – if it comes from a vaccination, etc).

No, don’t take a test, hold a party for all the COVID sceptics

Thank you for all your replies. If things were sensible, it seems a positive test could get one out of a vaccine. However, nothing has been sensible this whole year. Why would it change now? Best not to get taken up into the system.

Are you aware that if you test positive they will hold your records for 8 years?
That is part of the T&T website.
Any contacts they trace, their details will be held for 5 years.
I would not get involved with the system, even if it is only that they want to do follow up (long covid) and need your details “for research”.

Why take a dodgy test? Take some paracetamol and go to bed until you feel better. Afterall it is the flu season.

Mrs C. commented on the papers saying the Government were looking to ‘celebs’ (and the young royals, according to the Guardian) to push the vaccine. She asked what I though of the move.

I suggested that the Government already know that, contrary to all the polls on the BBC and elsewhere, people aren’t going to be queueing up in their millions for this vaccine.

I also suggested that if they don’t already know this, they are more dumb than I think.

Anyone else think the Gov are overconfident with regard to the vaccine uptake?

I am expecting 50% uptake at the absolute minimum. Where it goes from there is anyone’s guess.

Yes. Plenty of sheep out there.

70-80%. Many will get it just to get their two week holiday abroad.

I think you are almost certainly right

I don’t know. But the bovine compliance with absolutely senseless measures up to now doesn’t fill me with great optimism, I’m afraid.

I feel that a major driver will be a (false) ‘Ah well, this’ll get it over and done with” mentality. Which may well be a major driver of current policy over fake ‘waves’ and lockdowns.

The celebrities should be held every bit as accountable and liable for damages as everyone else involved.

Ceriain, my guess would be that there will be plenty of takers to keep the vaccination programme ticking over initially and give the impression of widespread enthusiasm. It doesn’t need to be the majority in order for social pressure to build and more people to fall into line after a while. However, they know from flu vaccine that everyone doesn’t buy in so they will surely be looking for anyone who might influence the populace in the desired direction.

It’s the deadliest cruellest most unprecedented lethal-to-everyone indiscriminatory virus ever known to mankind. It must be, right? Why else would we have closed the country down for the best part of a year now?

Surely people will be trampling over the heads of others (grannies included) to get to this life-saving, indeed human kind-saving, vaccine? Won’t the military be needed to protect the supplies and police the top secret vaccine clinics (in a hollowed out volcano perhaps?), location only disclosed to officially registered vaccinees 5 minutes before the jabbing begins? So if the above is true, which they assure us that it is, why does the government need to resort to such pathetic tactics as celebrity endorsement?

Confusing, isn’t it.

Thanks for the replies, all.

I’m just wondering if enthusiasm in the public would fall away if, (and some polls are suggesting it), a lot of medical people in the NHS won’t take it.

I don’t want the vaccine early next year at all. However, I feel I’m going to have to have it, if I want to return to enjoying things that I enjoy doing. Although the government won’t/can’t make it mandatory, I think they will make it impossible to live a normal life without it. I anticipate that I will need proof of having the vaccine to enter a sports stadium, go to a gig, get on a plane, go to a hotel etc that’s without the possibility of pubs/restaurants requiring it, or even my place of work (I have a friend in Australia who’s employer in the travel industry (not Quantas), has said that it will be mandatory to have the vaccine before returning to the office).

“The Government and the Opposition, who believe in lockdown, will say that the fall in the number of confirmed cases, deaths and hospitalisations proves lockdown 2.0 was a success, regardless of the extra health costs associated with lockdowns.”

Yes, the BBC bastards were at it again at 07.00 hrs this morning (Monday 30nov20), claiming that the sodding lockdown was the reason for the drop in “cases”.

I nearly trod on my clock radio in sheer rage.

You did better than I, my clock would have been launched. May I suggest a different wake up call in the mornings? Would be better for your blood pressure.

“Covid infections in England fall by 30% over lockdown” – headline from BBC website
This interpretation poisons any debate with false assumptions – i.e. that these are infections not positive tests AND that the fall was happening anyway and cannot be attributed to the lockdown.
Is there any way of this being challenged so publicly that the correct interpretation is accepted?
It could be a major factor in determining how things go from here.

Even though the evidence shows most stats falling before Lockdown 2 started, or falling before it would’ve had any effect.

There is a link to this site on the top comment , however.
I was also a bit cross.

Turned off my clock radio alarm a while ago to avoid anger very first thing before getting up.

OK Boris, Matt, Chris, SAGE, Neil, Piers, et al. Simple one for you. I hear “if it saves one life” a lot so I’m going to give you a really simple task. Please give me the name of a person whose life has been saved by lockdown. Just one, that’s all I want. But I do need proof. Off you go.

Also, if the vaccine kills one life is it then not worth it?

We’ll supply proof of the lives lost because of lockdown – easy to do

The PCR False Positive Pseudo-Epidemic

The FUN part is that it isn’t even a matter of “false positives”…

In reality we just need to change the kit manufacturer (change “criteria”) and for the SAME SAMPLE we can have a “positive” and a “negative” at the same time!

How do you guys think Cristiano Ronaldo after 6 consecutive “positive” PCR in 4 days got his “negative” one and was playing soccer the next day?

One of my ‘friends’ has just changed their fb profile to this dodgy looking lot – anyone know anything about them? – https://www.mesopdx.org/

Looks like they are raising awareness for mesothelioma which would be fine except they’re now looking at Covid-19 too.

If they are following the ORDERS and OBEYING, they are nothing alternative!

Just reading their goals, they are a micro credit organisation. The organisations create small loans for communities unable to access bank credit. Normally due to no credit history. It had a large success in India when the movement grist started back about 10 years ago.

https://indiamicrofinance.com/micro-finance-micro-credit-debate-vandana-shiva-susan-davis/

“Microfinance 1.0 has failed. It was not the miracle it was touted to be,” said Union rural development minister Jairam Ramesh at the HT Leadership Summit 2013 on Friday.

Under the current MAIN SYSTEM and with all the programming embedded into modern umans thought processes, these experiments are doomed to fail.

Even if this can be turned around, I have to question whether the millions whose wilful ignorance and blind faith in authority has facilitated this dreadful year deserve anything other than the worst possible outcome. Such staggering levels of mediocrity cannot go unpunished.

How can they go 8 months locked in and not research any alternative facts??? There is plenty info out there and the sceptic argument is strong. It boggles my mind that folk get all their news from the MSM/ social media and waste away watching trash tv or debating football tactics.

Wait until they stop having access to those “modern commodities” and then the sheeple will start to baa baa

While the majority has food, water, WWW and house deliveries EVERYTHING IS AWESOME

How they can even watch football in empty stadiums is beyond me. I got 3 minutes into a game on tv and it was so patently soulless and pointless that I stopped and vowed never to watch another sporting event without spectators (not SD not masked) ever again.

I bet that the majority of the HERD OF MORONS will not stop wearing the muzzle and using alcohol and social distancing.

Once you believe in a GOD, that’s it!


And the JESTERS in office will never backtrack on this!

Have to agree with this one. There is no turning the tide on this. Those who think that this was a scamm from day one are a minority and the Church of Blessed Covid is the majority. There is no facts, graphs or articles you can show them, the faith is strong and the heresy will soon be outlawed. The society will split with wearing masks, vaccine , complete government control, health passes on one side an the sceptics who will not be able to protest, write, or say anything against the Almighty Covid or risk being DE platformed, sacked, sidelined, disgraced and soon arrested and shunned from society. This is where we are heading and there is NO turning back. It might have been in March , but now the forces have aligned . All we can do is to keep our course and resist at every turn.

This is exactly my point. The dystopian nightmare will be unbearable for the likes of us, but is what the collaborators truly deserve. Longevity is unimportant, all that matters is that we do not allow ourselves to be imprisoned for life.

Indeed… We just need to run on the outskirts of the HERD of modern moron sheeple! If they are running into a Cliff at the last moment we turn 90º and just watch the show.

They are our fellow citizens and we need to live with them – for our benefit as much as theirs. And they are victims of government propaganda and many people in positions of power and influence being complicit in it.

Certainly I find it hard to want to spend my remaining time on earth with them, but short of moving to some remote place we have to coexist.

I’m not excusing the laziness and gullibility, just don’t want to spend the rest of my life fuming with rage.

They have already been punished, they just don’t realise it yet.

If the worst comes to the worst we go down with the sinking ship. Some on here will not deserve this fate, but it will be unavoidable.

You don’t have to “fume with rage”… Just pretend!

I’m finding that my vindictiveness is increasing by the day. Any compassion I had for the ignorance, arrogance or blind faith disappeared some months ago.

Having spoken to my brother in law over the weekend and heard the following;
“Its really good that non of our family have been effected by this situation (either the virus or the economic impact). ReallyI’m the only one thats really been negatively impacted”.

This from a metropolitan urbanite, living it large in his Surrey home, getting paid furlough for 6 months while refurbishing his house and garden. Offered a reduction in wage to keep the business going or redundancy, finds an alternative job in tech and swans off from the company thats been funding his afternoon pims sessions. Full redundancy paid.

This bastard is wilfully ignoring any of the wider problems in society, doesn’t care that small businesses are being killed off by the hour. You can actually hear him loosing interest anytime you mention anything negative. These prats are living in a bubble and don’t want to hear anything which breaks their own narrative, let alone the government one.

I was speaking last Friday to a man who is professionally associated with NHS senior management and the Dept. of Health and Social Services. I usually keep my own counsel because I’m self employed and I have to occassionally ask him to pay me but he is very pro-lockdown/restrictions and one of those people who disinfects their shopping. He made a comment about never letting our guard down in this fight against the terrible virus so I responded by saying that as long as the woefully inaccurate PCR testing regime continues, the restrictions will never be lifted. His response to that was that false positives are not important as long as we ensure there are no false negatives.
I had to make an excuse and get away from him sharpish because I cannot afford to say what I wanted to say.

he is very pro-lockdown/restrictions and one of those people who disinfects their shopping

FFS!

He does! Just before the recent lockdown began, he and his wife got back from a trip to Morrisons with a car load of provisions and said they’d put the kettle on and make me a cup of tea after they’d sprayed all the grocery packaging. There really are people like this. He’s a very senior academic: retired but still working on contract to Govt. and NHS. I don’t really care if he wants to boil his shopping or boil his head but the notion that false positive PCR tests are somehow irrelevant is what troubles me because it’s only the false positives which are keeping this whole melodrama running.

As for the “2nd waffle”… Have a look at the data crossing the start of the influenza jab and the start of more “false positives”.

This is the data for my Plantation (Portróikal – former Portugal)

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