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274830 MaxPower, replying to MaxPower, 5, #1 of 2225 🔗


275961 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to MaxPower, 1, #2 of 2225 🔗


‘We’re No Strangers To R’

We talk about the R number. Danish Mask Study. London Protests and much more.

Plus the usual songs and silliness!


274832 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 27, #4 of 2225 🔗

Has this been flagged yet?


Looks like a Chinese-style social credit system could be coming sooner than we think. Unless we stop it!

274838 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to mattghg, 5, #5 of 2225 🔗

Scary, and annoying.

274839 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mattghg, 18, #6 of 2225 🔗

Thanks, new to me.
On the subject of data harvesting.
I’ve been watching a TV series that features a novel deadly virus, big pharma coming up with a novel vaccine and big tech launching a surveillance system that makes Track’n’Trace look like taking the school register.

The star is Benedict Cumberbatch as a nerdy mathematics genius entirely lacking in inter-personal skills brought in by big tech to add kudos to their tracking scheme which includes everyone’s details about everything (self financing as the algorithms can predict individuals purchasing decisions which can be sold to the private sector).

Set in a near future dystopia with bombs going off (probably planted by MI5), heavily armed police randomly demanding peoples ID, individuals getting disappeared, police brutality against civilians protesting against the new surveillance system.

Cumberbatch is using the tracking system to make his own investigations and we learn that it is not just the virus that is dangerous.
. . The nanotracker within a large batch of the vaccine is killing people whose bodies are highly contagious . . .
Naturally the spooks are tracking every keystroke made by Cumberbatch so he gets cancelled and unable to function in any way in this completly controlled society.

Robert Carlyle also stars as a somewhat redundant rogue spook to add a bit of action to the drama.

BBC MMVIII. The Last Enemy.

The parallels are striking

274846 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 28, #7 of 2225 🔗

Does it feature a fucking idiot in charge of everyone’s health?

274849 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #8 of 2225 🔗

No, they are only interested in enhancing their various agendas.

274967 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 3, #9 of 2225 🔗

It’ll never happen, not in this neighbourhood.
oh…but wait!

276276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 2, #10 of 2225 🔗

Yes entrainment media offers propaganda reinforcement to ‘normalise’ and set the narrative payload as predictive programming. Its also a way of declaring open intentions in a framework that makes taking about them immediately reference a movie etc.

If you watch the push media, be vigilant for the underlying messaging.

The recent but pre-cov novel ‘Malice’ may interest people here. The author died soon after publishing in circumstances that may be questionable.
Dodgy immunisations for a cold? – what an improbable scenario…!

274971 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 2, #11 of 2225 🔗

😀 🦙
that would make it even more frighteningly realistic

274931 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to mattghg, 5, #12 of 2225 🔗

I think that they might be on dodgy ground under the Data Protection Act 2018 which embodies the GDPR. At first glance it would seem as though they are now using data for a purpose for which it wasn’t originally collected.

Notwithstanding that: How would a local council know what your level of debt is?

275028 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 12, #13 of 2225 🔗

You’ll forgive me if I don’t find existing legal safeguards particularly reassuring given what we’ve been through the last 8 months. A credit ratings agency would know your level of debt. How would anyone know if you’re engaged in “ unfaithful and unsafe sex “??

275056 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mattghg, 12, #14 of 2225 🔗

And how have they overturned half a century of permissiveness to describe extra-marital sex as ‘immoral’.

276067 ▶▶▶ semper dissentio, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #15 of 2225 🔗

I have worked in local government IT for nearly 20 years, and this information would have to come from the revenues & benefits system, the Social work system and the housing system, all globbed together. Almost certainly a violation of GDPR.

276649 ▶▶▶ Pembroke, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #16 of 2225 🔗

Don’t the companies like Experian who do your ‘credit score’ base it on your home address? So it should be a simple matter to marry that database to their council tax one and add the info together.

275760 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to mattghg, 5, #17 of 2225 🔗

Can we stop it? We’re not even able to stand in a peaceful group without being assaulted by thugs in uniform.

277011 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to William Gruff, 1, #18 of 2225 🔗

Can its stop itself?
That is, does it carry the seed of its own destruction as a result of being founded in untruth?

275973 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mattghg, 6, #19 of 2225 🔗

..used to pick up ‘Covid risk factors’ which include debt, domestic violence, mental health, and low income.

Covid risk factors??

. .. socially unacceptable behaviour such as ‘unfaithful and unsafe sex’,


….millions of people were being monitored for social distancing as part of a government-backed project secretly rolled out across Britain.

I think you’re absolutely right!

276005 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to mattghg, 2, #20 of 2225 🔗

Big Brother Watch sent me an email about. Scary stuff.

276022 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #21 of 2225 🔗

Yes, that’s also how I found out about it.

277006 ▶▶ Binra, replying to mattghg, 1, #22 of 2225 🔗

Unless its deceit masked as news

274833 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 113, #23 of 2225 🔗

I think we have witnessed the birth of a new religion. I don’t think it matters anymore how many facts and figures we throw at people. They have unshakeable belief that there is a “new deadly virus” that we spread without even having symptoms and that causes a “terrible disease” that anyone can die from. The people I know who believed this in the beginning included journalists, MPs, university professors, medical doctors. I was astonished because I never believed it for one moment. I expected them to have consulted the available evidence by now, and to have come around to a more rational perspective. But no. I think, from the day we were locked down, we were split into two camps. One side thought , “If our freedoms are being removed this must be the DEADLIEST virus ever know to man or they wouldn’t do this.” The other side thought, “This can’t possibly be about a virus, what the hell is going on?!” And we’ve been trying to piece together the picture ever since. And the picture is coming clear. But the other side (containing a frightening number of politicians, teachers, university professors, law enforcers) will NEVER give up their position. You can’t put medical facts in front of a committed Christian and say, “Look that proves a man cannot be dead for three days and come back to life. Nor can a man walk on water.” They have unshakeable faith. But we are not (or were not) a theocracy. You are not obliged to believe Jesus died and came back to life three days later, but you are entitled to if you want. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a short time, as a child. There were very strict rules. You lived under religious rules. We are now living in an even stricter theocracy. And they will suppress and possibly even imprison those who challenge it. Face masks must be worn. The religious will not countenance any challenge as to their effectiveness. Tests must be taken. Vaccines must be administered. It could take hundreds of years for people who do not believe in the covid religion to get their rights back. Where can we go in the meantime? Sweden? Any other suggestions?

274835 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #24 of 2225 🔗

My suggestion is you lighten up. We are winning this war. Happy Monday 🙂

274836 ▶▶▶ Fcuk off Boris, replying to Tom Blackburn, -21, #25 of 2225 🔗

Fuck off Blackburn. Mattghg is right

274837 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fcuk off Boris, 44, #26 of 2225 🔗

Chill Doc. I agree with most of it but am not having the hundreds of years comment. Nonsense. Anyway, hope my fellow sceptics all have a good week. We are approaching the kairotic moment for scepticism.

274843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Tom Blackburn, 76, #27 of 2225 🔗

I think it’s very easy to get disheartened – we all have days when we think this will never be over – but as an understanding of why people seem so rigidly to cling to their belief in the deadliness of Covid (to the point where even those sceptical of lockdown often have to pay lip-service to the idea to get a hearing) I think it has some merit.

As it stands, I do feel something has changed. The way in which the lockdown that was supposed to “save Christmas” has given way to a tier system in which most of the country is more repressed than before has finally woken some people up, especially when the Government then once again tries to spin the idea that the fall in “cases” is down to the measures. It remains to be seen how the vote will go this week, but the noises coming out of the CRG do sound a lot more resistant than previously. I was rather hoping that the Mail would do a big piece yesterday, whether on the PCR test or the financial connections between government ministers and testing/vaccine companies (not that I know there are any, but my gut tells me that’s what Hancock at least is up to), but the fact they have gone sceptical is in itself a huge shift from April.

I also think Simon Heffer’s piece in the Telegraph about rebellion following repression is, in an odd way, a positive thing. Not because we all want a crime wave, but because it shows that – in the West at least – there is always a hidden undercurrent of resistance to tyranny. People may wear the mask, so to speak, but there are many who are just waiting for that moment when they feel the majority are for freedom when they will cross the battlefield and take up the banner. This is why Communism collapsed overnight and it’s why, whenever it happens, this health totalitarianism will too.

274882 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Andrew Fish, 37, #28 of 2225 🔗

Unlike breaking away from communism the people have been sold the lie they’re gonna die and since some of us know that every single person is utterly selfish and only care for themselves (this is fact don’t demean yourself by trying to argue against it because i know you’re lying) they wear the mask because they’re shitting themselves. In the back of their minds they all think maybe there is some truth to this and they don’t want to die so they wear the bloody thing. The state will continue to oppress us for many years now and we won’t be able to stop them. The only answer is the almost total dismantling of the state but since most of us are spineless cowards scared of the day they never saw i can’t see it happening. The only thing to do is to fuck up the functions of the state in any way you can, no matter how small.

274937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Biker, 43, #29 of 2225 🔗

I don’t have your negative view of humanity. People are a mixture of good and bad and some lean more one way than the other. Do you think Toby is running this site for selfish reasons or that the creators of the Great Barrington Declaration are putting their academic futures on the line for their own gain? Sure, government has a high proportion of people who are in it for themselves, but that’s because if there is a well-paid job which requires no qualifications whatsoever it’s never going to attract the best of people.

In terms of the fear of death, I think that was a factor in the early days. I remember walking in the forest round here when they first allowed people to drive out for exercise – there were people who would more or less dive into the undergrowth when they saw you coming the other way. Now, with the exception of the odd person in a muzzle, most people are behaving pretty normally. More widely, far fewer people seem to have been observing the second lockdown than the first.

The thing about fear is that it only works if the danger seems clear and present – as time passes and people don’t lose large numbers of friends and family, most begin to put it aside and get on with their lives. There are stories in the Blitz of people behaving in ways that to modern minds seem unbelievably risky (not least Churchill watching the bombing from the roof) but if you’d survived that far it was probably just as easy to believe you were going to make it through to the end. I imagine then, as now, there were people who lived in utter terror, but that wasn’t everybody then and it isn’t now.

274944 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Andrew Fish, 7, #30 of 2225 🔗

I don’t think that it is a negative view of humanity. It depends on what you term a “good” and “bad” and that can only be based on your own personal views.

My view is that people act in their own selfish self-interest whether that is alone or in cooperative groups. Humans only cooperate if they think that there will be a pay off for them in the cooperation.

275026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 6, #31 of 2225 🔗

My sense was that selfish was being used in a pejorative sense, not a genetic one. Dawkins did demonstrate that altruism was a logical outcome of selfish genes, but he was very careful to distinguish the biological impulse from social behaviour. Totalitarian regimes tend to atomise society, attempting to turn individuals against each other and thus destroying their collective sense of commong good. If people were truly selfish, those regimes would not have collapsed in the way they did.

275072 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrew Fish, 9, #32 of 2225 🔗

Early programs testing the ”fuck you buddy” hypothesis, by IBM I believe, were tried on the company (female) secretaries who spoiled thinks by being co-operative.
The program designers concluded that the secretaries were unsuitable subjects rather than their model being incorrect.

275086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to karenovirus, 13, #33 of 2225 🔗

They believed the model over the evidence? My, how things have changed….

275108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Andrew Fish, 31, #34 of 2225 🔗

I agree with your sentiments and it is witnessing the courage of the likes of Mike Yeadon, Ivor Cummins, Clare Craig, Ros Jones, Emma Kenney, Molly Knightley, the GBD group, Lord Sumption, the Recovery group, etc. – all of whom risk public hatred and professional discrediting – that keeps me from complete despair. But all these people are outliers who reach a fraction of society with their sound/sane views and facts. While the MSM, in particular the BBC, and the government public announcements repeat the same nonsense and lies again and again and again, we will never break through. And they will never back down. It’s gone too far. That’s what brings me down. I do need cheering up! I may go sing Christmas carols in the town square… this Christianity thing has really got me. The church could make a killing recruiting the masses if it played its cards right this year!

275635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 20, #35 of 2225 🔗

The Church has betrayed itself, its people, the people in general, and the God it claims to serve. Covid worship is the new Christianity.

276072 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 4, #36 of 2225 🔗

Only if you see Nero’s version of Christianity as a tool of political control – which of course it was.

However, if you consider true Christianity, as opposed to churchianity, I suggest you’ll find that the NHS is the religion and covid replaces the Old Testament version of the god that must be feared and appeased at all costs.

276793 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to annie, 5, #37 of 2225 🔗

Irreverend had a good episode recently about the Church and its missed opportunity this year.
This year has revealed a lot about the Church. Did they really believe in the sacraments? That meeting as congregation was a body, an “ecclesia”? When it became difficult, apparently not.

276259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #38 of 2225 🔗

I have given you a tick. On this even though I am an atheist.

276795 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #39 of 2225 🔗

The idea of carol singing as a protest was a great one. I think we should try that.

275267 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Andrew Fish, 21, #40 of 2225 🔗

I tend to agree. I am in Greece – the intense spring lockdown genuinely scared a lot of Greeks and cities looked like dead zones – this time around a lot more are out and about despite the lockdown – ironically a lot more people have died since the weather turned cold yet people are not as scared, especially those who are nowhere near 80, the average age of those who die of Covid in Greece.
Covid has been around for a while – it is not the new terrifying threat it was in the spring.

277014 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #41 of 2225 🔗

Ha Churchill was aware via Enigma of when to run and hide and when to show fearless courage. But don’t let truth get in the way of a good story.

275631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 7, #42 of 2225 🔗

Glad to see you haven’t changed, Biker!

276286 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 4, #43 of 2225 🔗

Yes I am sure those who wear them in their cars on their own are doing it for others! A lot of them are liars but the virtue signalling makes them feel ever so self righteous.

274906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #44 of 2225 🔗

Do you have the Simon Heffer link?

276094 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #46 of 2225 🔗

Interesting that it invites comments but the link to them has disappeared!

276757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #47 of 2225 🔗

I hope to God you are right.

274859 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Fcuk off Boris, #48 of 2225 🔗

I am? About what?

274842 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 38, #49 of 2225 🔗

The main powers that be, the organs of news and propaganda and the primary institutions have all bought into to this nonsense and are now trapped. The so called tory rebels all seem to be trying to face 2 ways at once, both tending to be sceptical but in a way that does not upset their zealous electorate, papers like the Daily Mail are sceptical one minute zealous the next in a bid to keep their full readership on board.

One of the issues we have is that this virus has been a ‘Drama Queen’ (am I still allowed to use that term?) and has and has caused some high profile dramatic effects and some harrowing personal cases. The general public react to high profile sentimentality far more than they do to a cold representation of the national statistics. The sceptic case lacks good PR and it lacks any real mechanism for getting an alternative view across to the General Public. The Daily Mail is hesitatingly sceptical, we need to get he Sun on board and we need to get young people back to the mood of the Vietnam War protests,

The harrowing and dramatic incidents that fuelled much of the public reaction to all this are becoming increasingly hard to find, the best they can do is to find some hospital somewhere that is so shambolically organised that it is overwhelmed but the ‘overwhelmed NHS’ propaganda is wearing a bit thin. The public have short memories and one result of all this testing is that large numbers of people have now been tested and been +ve or -ve and nothing has happened. So instead of being an unknown the virus is now known to many people and no longer a thing to be feared. I think the Government are clever enough to know things are turning which is why they want a vaccine to bail them out, anything to avoid having to admit they got things wrong, everything to ensure they get voted in again at the nest election.

274865 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Martindale, 46, #50 of 2225 🔗

Steve, Andrew… all good points. What we desperately need is a mainstream newspaper to publish Mike Yeadon. He is the unequivocal authority on “what has gone wrong” with never a mention of the dreaded conspiracy notions (5G, Gates, WEF, etc.) His article published on this blog today is brilliant and I’m getting it sent it to people in Parliament. We need his science alongside Lord Sumption’s ethics plastered across the front of two or three national newspapers and then the movement against this madness will really take off. Of course the vultures will swoop on government ministers. Let them be shown no mercy. They’ve had ample time to come clean and pull the propaganda. They will get what they deserve. Praying for this turning of the tide feels like praying for a Christmas miracle. Honestly, I’ve vowed to go to church when they reopen. After years identifying as an evangelical atheist, Christianity suddenly seems so rational and reasonable!

274883 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #51 of 2225 🔗

Most churches are rather beautiful too, the country ones certainly. I like TY’s anaysis that ‘they’ believe any level of collateral damage is better politically than their feared collapse of the NHS Moloch. I also like Ivor Cummins’s assessment that the second wave/false positive scenario is deliberate to stretch things out until the vaccine saves us all (meaning just ‘them’ of course since we are mere collateral damage).

274888 ▶▶▶▶ Dan72, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #52 of 2225 🔗

I think the PCR test angle is the way to go. Stop those and the numbers fall away. Then, as soon as one tv channel comes out as sceptic, the end is in sight

274938 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #53 of 2225 🔗

You think the WEF’s Great Reset is conspiracy?

275128 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ben, 15, #54 of 2225 🔗

Not necessarily, but it is framed as such in the MSM, and I think the way forward is to go to battle by dismantling the data the government is preaching, and pushing the catastrophic impacts of lockdowns/restrictions into people’s faces rather than trying to win them round by pointing out the more sinister agendas (I personally think it started with China trolling the west and was summarily co-opted by big pharma and mad “reset” collectivists with the help of AI, but let’s just start by trying to get the PCR testing stopped on the grounds that it is creating a pseudopandemic for now!)

275909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ c s, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #55 of 2225 🔗

exactly…one battle at a time

276101 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, #56 of 2225 🔗

Have you looked at their website?!

274966 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #57 of 2225 🔗

You sound as frightened of ‘dreaded conspiracy notions’ as the zealots are of covid. Fear is failure.

Yeadon and Sumption are good dudes – but you’re looking for leader/hero types when we are the solution.

275178 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JohnB, 8, #58 of 2225 🔗

The weakest part of the Covid edifice is PCR. We need to go for it.

274975 ▶▶▶▶ Julian Wilkinson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #59 of 2225 🔗

I welcome though Mike Yeadon’s analysis, but I also feel that some key points are missing. Specifically:
1) What about the contribution of the whole business of moving the elderly to care-homes and then not looking after them properly, relaxing guidelines on DNRs etc? This could have been a major contributor to overall “first-wave” deaths and mean that it was policy, not the virus, that targetted the elderly.
2) Problems with PCR are not confined to false-positives: it detects bits of RNA which directly correlate with neither illness nor infectiousness. Lateral Flow may be more accurate but, as an antibody test, is likewise not a direct measure of illness or infectiousness.
Second wave notwithstanding, questions such as these will have a major impact on how we deal with “the next one”.

275962 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian Wilkinson, 2, #60 of 2225 🔗

Your first point was definitely a political agenda copied across the western world. A culling of our elderly and sick.

276315 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #61 of 2225 🔗

Personally, I hold to Sir Graham Brady’s comment when I feel down ” if these kinds of measures were being taken in any totalitarian state would be denouncing it as a form of evil”. I used it on my supposedly Christian MP. He ignored it. I agree – we need one overarching body unifying Lockdown Sceptics, the GBD signatories, the Tory group led by Steve Baker, plus any others , but we need a head, a leader. Any ideas, folks?

274874 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Martindale, 24, #62 of 2225 🔗

That’s one of the best summaries of the situation that I’ve read. By which I mean that I agree with it. But I really do think it’s a very sane and perceptive account. The government is floundering around looking desperately for a ladder to climb down. In fact, short of them actually apologising and performing seppuku live on national TV (I wish), there is only one ladder and will only ever be one ladder. It’s exactly what Dan Hodges prescribed yesterday. They should just say, “We have done what we can. It is time to go back to normal life.”

275001 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 14, #63 of 2225 🔗

Trouble is, the whole world (with one or two exceptions) has gone down the rabbit hole. Going to be difficult for one country to say “sorry folks, we made a mistake”.

A few encouraging signs from Germany, Portugal, etc.

Let’s keep our fingers crossed (and our revenge stored in the fridge!).

275723 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #64 of 2225 🔗

If they were looking for a ladder to climb down they would either stop testing or they would lie about the PCR results. And quickly recategorise any potential Covid death as a seasonal flu death. They weren’t shy of inflating the numbers of Covid deaths so there shouldn’t be any moral issue for them in deflating the number of positive tests…. Then when we only have a handful of new ‘cases’ per day and no deaths, the pandemic is officially over.

276350 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #65 of 2225 🔗

Can you honestly see that happening? SAGE and the PM, with Hancock are too worked up by the fact they have managed to screw the country down with no objections . They love the power and will keep distoring, mismanaging, inflating the figures for years..

276340 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #66 of 2225 🔗

As a 74byear old who should be “vulnerable” (anone who refers to me as such will get what they deserve!) I agree. I can make my own choices – I do not like large crowds in any case, but the constant repetition of slogans, nannying by little council hitlers etc, mask wearing etc is something that gets right up my nose. It’s now time for the PM and SAGE to butt out and let the virus take its course, but get normal life back so that the economy, people’s mental health othe health conditions can be properly dealt with.

275663 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #67 of 2225 🔗

Very well analysed.

274871 ▶▶ fosterc, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #68 of 2225 🔗

There is a difference between a belief and an opinion . As you say, you can change an opinion with rational argument but not a belief. Since the ‘Cult-Of-Covid’ is now a belief for many they are indeed lost to reason.

274897 ▶▶ helen, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #69 of 2225 🔗

Find out more about David and Dawn’s courageous work:
Subscribe to The Bernician’s blog:

In Michael O’Bernicia’s and David Parker’s opinion the virus myth must be bust for legal actions to be successful and to reunite societies. The medical profession and scientific community are dishonesly upholding the myth.

275278 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to helen, 8, #70 of 2225 🔗

I wonder if you caught in that video Michael O’Bernicia stating that the originating draft of the Coronavirus Act was drawn up in November ’19 (or before), because he did a search and located the document which was dated Nov ’19 .
And as soon as he publicised that fact, the date was removed, and then replaced with a document with a later date.

From this timepoint:-


No doubting in my mind the conspiratorial nature of the whole global phenomenon.
Though I can perfectly see why Mike Yeadon confines himself to what he does, because he wants to avoid the ‘conspiracy theorist’ tag.
‘Conspiracy theorist’ and ‘Anti-vaxxer’ are the two most pernicious tags that are widely employed to discredit individuals or groups who simply wish to air the whole truth.

275358 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Kevin 2, 11, #71 of 2225 🔗

I’ve believed for some time now that Mike Yeadon has been extraordinarily generous in presenting our officialdom with a plausible ladder with which they can climb out of this well of shit they find themselves in.

I suspect their vanity, narcissism and duplicity will prevent them from taking the first rung, instead continuing to double down hoping the masses continue to believe their bile.

For their crimes, they deserve no less than facing the hangman, without a hood.

But I’ll settle for their public humiliation and a life ‘true life’ sentence spent back in that well, polishing turds.

They genuinely make me feel murderous.

274998 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 30, #72 of 2225 🔗

We’re witnessing a split in society. Where one section seeks to be controlled and repressed by government in exchange for ‘protection’ and the other section seeks to live in freedom, but with risk.

275982 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 1, #73 of 2225 🔗

Can you spot the correlation between Brexiteers, lovers of freedom and sovereignty and Remainers who want to be controlled?

276043 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #74 of 2225 🔗

I’m a Remainer and a Lockdown Sceptic who wishes to decide my own level of risk.

276111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #75 of 2225 🔗

I was a remainer because I thought being in bed with Europe was better than submitting to US standards. Now I see it’s a frying pan and fire situation.

On the other hand, I never thought for one minute that dePiffle intended to deliver anything other than a crash-out Brexit.

276459 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Cheezilla, #76 of 2225 🔗

Remainer here too

276364 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Ben, 8, #77 of 2225 🔗

Having lived through the Hong Kong flu pandemic (80,000 dead) and the Asian flu of 1957/8 (over 33,000 dead) I’ll take my chance. And those who are too scared or whining to come out and live can stay in their little bunkers and frighten themselves to death

275107 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #78 of 2225 🔗

The religion is ‘caring’, which is actually virtue signalling, and is being perpetuated by social media. Except for the very old, or people with serious illnesses, none of the measures that the adherents take are for themselves, they are ‘for others’; ‘for the vulnerable’. What is worse is that they are imposing this code on their impressionable children, who have known nothing else. A whole generation will grow up thinking that their education and their aspirations don’t matter and should be subjugated to ‘protecting’ obese benefit claimants and others who make no contribution to the economy.
This new religion has been seized upon by the left of centre and the obsessive Remainers as a means of undermining and humiliating a Tory government. The irony is that they are actually being useful idiots to a government that is perpetuating the ‘crisis’ to make money for its friends (as Mike Yeadon almost says but doesn’t quite) and finds it convenient to prevent public gatherings and protest while it finalised its Brexit deal.

275158 ▶▶ calchas, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #79 of 2225 🔗


If mandatory mask-wearing were abandoned this afternoon, then by Christmas at the very latest, nobody would be wearing them.

Most people would give it up by tomorrow evening.

275670 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 5, #80 of 2225 🔗

What happens when they are told that they’ll still be muzzled after being jabbed?

276044 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to calchas, 5, #81 of 2225 🔗

It reminds me of the pleasure boat full of the muzzled the skipper took one look and said’ we are going out in the fresh sea air , you don’t have to wear those things’. off they came,, the sheeple need orders to obey.

276373 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to calchas, 3, #82 of 2225 🔗

As late as that? I’ve got a coal fire – anyone down my way could come and urn theirs in my grate ASAP, if the restrictions were removed. And most masks are fxxx al use for protection anyway.

275209 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #83 of 2225 🔗

COVIDballs, like BREXIT, is an issue that just presses the tribal button these (sad) days. If you’re a bigger government groupie, collective ‘action’/they know best kow-tower, worshipper of the biggest (unaccountable) governments ever devised (World this n that, European Anything, Davos divinity…), and congenital knee trembler and taker, then Lockdown and the EU is for you. Darwin was on to something.

275252 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #84 of 2225 🔗

In my state, it is becoming very prevalent. I am hoping as many people actually get it and it is mild, the fear may subside.

275990 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ColoradoGirl, 3, #85 of 2225 🔗

I think the fact most of us haven’t had it or if we had we didn’t notice proves something.

275290 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #86 of 2225 🔗

Nicaragua and Tanzania.
I for one agree with you.
The continued ignorance of the new research or court decisions on masks and tests, for example, prove your points.
As in Germany in 1945, the change of mind can and will only happen after the catastrophes (hyperinflation, government bankrupcies, depression, vaccine deaths and damages) have happened.
I think it won’t take that long.

277065 ▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Jay Berger, #87 of 2225 🔗

Didn’t know about Nicaragua if so Viva El Presidente Daniel Ortega!!

275491 ▶▶ watashi, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #88 of 2225 🔗

It is very much like a religion , or a religious cult

275914 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #89 of 2225 🔗

I think there is much truth in this. I decided I was against it all on March 23rd as I watched Johnson with his doom laden address to the nation. It was partly on instinct as I decided that,on past experience,when everyone agrees with me I must be wrong and that government has no right to tell me what to do in this way and also that,as an economist, I felt that deliberately wrecking your economy can never be a sensible thing to do. Those who violently disagreed with me at the time still do so only even more violently! I cannot see this changing anytime soon.

276313 ▶▶ DavidDLM, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #90 of 2225 🔗

I’m afraid I don’t agree that ‘ covid orthodoxy’ is analogous to a religion. Much conventional religion is perfectly plausible. A committed Christian will reject medical evidence that a man cannot come back to life after being dead for three days because by definition miracles are violations of the natural order. Their faith would more likely be shaken by evidence such a thing was naturally possible. Christians (and other religious adherents) believe a power exists outside the natural order that can intervene within it. ‘Rationalists’ reject such a supposition but both positions are based on faith.
‘Covid orthodoxy seems more like a cult. They believe, contrary to the evidence, that masks prevent infection, just as certain fringe groups think the earth is hollow and there is a civilisation on the inner surface, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

277003 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to DavidDLM, #91 of 2225 🔗

Our current compass of the ‘Natural Order’ is an emotionally or psychically invested Model that becomes internally structured and protected against risk of change, instead of the presumption of correction in which a presumed fact is revised back to either an open set of hypotheses waiting on evidential support or disproof, or the not knowing of an honest place from which to observe and seek answer.

Likewise an invested Economic Model or Medical Model.

Investments are generally self-seeking until a more profound compassion awakens. Developments are marketised and weaponised to private agenda masking as ‘public good’ or saving us all from an endless supply of evils – which become the goose that lays the golden egg and so is – like war and sickness – protected as an energy supply and source of identity.

There’s more of this post at:


276449 ▶▶ Binra, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #92 of 2225 🔗

In terms of possibilities you could have painted it a lot worse.
But in terms of probabilities we only have the parameters of what we know or have awareness of.
Part of the media blitz and ratchet up of regulatory constrictions is to induce a breaking of the will, as in disarming and domesticating an animal, and then set to breed out the unwanted characteristics both psychologically but also genetically in new stock.
However, the core agenda is a controlled demolition by which to oversee and establish control over what replaces it – much of which is out front as ‘reset’ and 4th reich of a biosecurity state – coupled with guilted ‘carbon units’.

The pseudo religion rises from what Jesus warned against when he said ‘resist ye not evil’.
If you ‘get’ your (masking) identity of virtue by setting against the feared, hated and denied, then it frames and runs what seems to be a worthy cause, and interprets anything that undermines or does not support its cause as part of the problem or aligned with the evil.

That which identifies us truly is love – not social masking. And yet in a realm of social masking or ‘identity’ politicking of fragmented tribalism love has no reception, because the truth of love is love of truth – not love of self-reinforcement set against the ‘other’.

There are many who have identity masking in the forms of religion – as with any other set of ideas, beliefs, teachings or models as to what reality is and is not. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater would be like judging Science by the behaviours of corporate corruption and generating an anti-science identity such as to refuse to listen to or consider anything expressed in what is set as ‘deceit by experts’.

There is deeply set emotional investment that cannot be reached by rational discourse because it is defending a fear that is not really here, or in the case of the agencies of pushing this agenda, of fear of consequences if they do not comply.

What are the incentives that make an offer that most cannot refuse?
Carrots and sticks.
The unparalleled imbalance in the distribution of wealth and control in our world is an unlimited purse – indeed a magic money tree along with a network of connection and support to execute its agenda as a many fronted long term strategy.

The loss of consciousness is not seemingly noticed by many, but the phrase use it or lose it, applies. Thinking – or what passes as thinking – is a masking or blocking signal to a deeper and direct awareness or presence. Call it mind control. The crisis is a tightening contraction of the mask to a denser and darker realm in which fantasy is piped to the compliant, who will not be able to bear or recognise reality for the fear, hate and demonsisation projected onto it.

This is where we came in (As I used to say in the ‘pictures’ as we called the cinema then and it ran continuous and let you in and out at any time. There is an opportunity to recognise the pattern and choose to go the other way – which is to meet the fears, hates and demonisations that we projected onto discarded, judged and denied life and world.

Then you may realise – that’s where Jesus is calling or pointing to – as a Reintegrative healing and redeeming of living truth we never really lost, so much as covered over from the panic of fear given power or priority in our mind.

If you take the term naked as meaning exposed to lack, inadequacy, invalidity or illegitimacy, the “WHO told you you were naked?” is the freedom and support in our being to ask and find answer to where such ‘thinking’ arises and what is nature is. Doubt and division isn’t just done by the 77 Brigade on their fellow beings, but something we do to ourselves unknowing – and if we didn’t have such inner conflicts, we would be ‘immune’ to such manipulative deceits.

274834 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #93 of 2225 🔗

Spiked: Why aren’t more artists standing up to lockdown?.

274901 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #94 of 2225 🔗

Excellent article and like retail, culture and heritage, they have been quick to jump on bandwagons such as BLM, LGBTQ+ and whatever else but they’ve been silent on the assault on our civil liberties, right to make an honest living and creeping totalitarianism.

If they want to survive then they need to fight back now. Otherwise they’re complicit and deserve the economic reckoning that’s coming. When theatres, venues and organisations go bust they shouldn’t be coming to the public to beg for money. Instead they should look at themselves in the mirror and realise that its their cowardice that has caused the demise of their sector not the virus.

275436 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #95 of 2225 🔗

The discrepancy between their support of the rights of certain movements but complete lack of interest in supporting all of our civil liberties can simply be explained through social media. That is where all of this is coming from. Facebook, Twitter, and Google.

274953 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #96 of 2225 🔗

It is indeed baffling that an entire industry is relying on ageing rockers Van Morrison and Eric Clapton. Still, fair play to them for speaking out because live music has given me some fantastic memories but I’d hate to think that memories and videos is all we’ve got left of this industry.

274991 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to LS99, 8, #97 of 2225 🔗

Perhaps the current lot are all clean-living millennials and therefore terrified of dying. People like Clapton have almost killed themselves so often that their fear of death disappeared years ago.

275021 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew Fish, 6, #98 of 2225 🔗

There does seem to be that fear of dying which to me smacks of narcissism and entitlement. Perhaps that’s the reason why we’re in this mess.

275083 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Andrew Fish, 5, #99 of 2225 🔗

You do have to think also that they are fairly untouchable by social media whereas the younglings are dependent on social media and because of that can be shut down. Because of this, as hard as they try they can’t get to JKR or Eric or Van the man.

275101 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #100 of 2225 🔗

Fair point, although there are plenty younger than Clapton who have made enough money to be untouchable.

276634 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to LS99, 2, #101 of 2225 🔗

“Soul Sacrifice” by Santana at Woodstock during the Avian Flu pandemic…

275192 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #102 of 2225 🔗

Because so many artists have their mouths guzzling at the tit of public spending.

275429 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #103 of 2225 🔗

Because artists are, by nature, on the left, and thus more inclined to respond to perceived suffering than to cold facts, and more open to social media which regulates their view of the world. So not only are they not the kind of people to be skeptical, they’re not interested in taking in the kind of content that makes one a skeptic, and the kind of content that they do take in is pushing them further and further away from reason.

276090 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #104 of 2225 🔗

Most younger artists nowadays are up to the neck in woke issues, identity and gender, race issues, whatever they are. just stroll, well you could once, around any provincial gallery looking at the older artists to see, skill, vision and aesthetics sadly lacking in the lot since the YBA’s Also many modernists and surrealists went through tough shit through depression and wars, still producing great art.

274840 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #105 of 2225 🔗

Does anyone else have trouble sleeping thinking about all of the grannies they have killed?

274850 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 89, #106 of 2225 🔗

As a Mail commenter puts it
‘I’m not allowed to hug a granny but 6 Police Officers can carry her down the street and bundle her into a van.’

274857 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to karenovirus, 44, #107 of 2225 🔗

No you don’t understand. That’s was for her own good. Just like when they lock a 90 year old up in a rest home and ban family visits, ban everything and let them live in utter solitude.
It’s to protect them to help them live a long and happy life to come. Presumably through Buddhist philosophies of reincarnation?

276384 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Danny, 4, #108 of 2225 🔗

Sometimes it’s the utter hypocrisy of it that gets right under my skin.

275584 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 1, #109 of 2225 🔗

Excellent comment! Wish it was a stand alone comment!

274884 ▶▶ alw, replying to Tom Blackburn, 54, #110 of 2225 🔗

I had trouble sleeping last night because my just four-year-old grandson was crying as he can’t go into his friend’s house to visit yet he sees him at school every day and he is able to play with him in the park. The fact that four-year-olds are terrified is a national disgrace and every MP should hang their heads in shame, but they are so up their own fundamental I don’t think they will even notice. We are heading for generations of children with government induced mental health problems. Words cannot explain my contempt for the political class.

275097 ▶▶▶ Sylvia Priest, replying to alw, 4, #111 of 2225 🔗

Get all the parents together and refuse to follow the so called rules. They cannot arrest everyone at the school. Unless people get together this will never end. It will be hard, but most people are just waiting for someone to stand up first and will then follow.

276180 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sylvia Priest, 2, #112 of 2225 🔗

You’d be surprised – and dismayed – by how stupid many of the parents are. This is how schools got away with inventing their own covid rules which are much more draconian than the official ones.

276008 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, #113 of 2225 🔗

Every MP should hang. There fixed it for you! 😉

276402 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Bella Donna, #114 of 2225 🔗

Can we have a crows fund for the rope? I’ll chip in for Johnson,Hancock, Gove and Raab for a start.

276394 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to alw, 3, #115 of 2225 🔗

My husband and I looked after our 7 year old granddaughter one day a week from age 1 to 4. In August her Dad wanted her to come and spend the day with us. She had got so unused to us she needed coaxing for 30 minutes before she’d come. Of course, she loved it once she was with us ;.Just how much damage have the PM and SAGE inflicted on our children?And will they ever get over it?

275057 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #116 of 2225 🔗

I’m puzzled as to why I have killed loads of grannies but not one grandad.

275617 ▶▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to arfurmo, 2, #117 of 2225 🔗

They don’t live as long and most are men nagged and overworked into an early grave due to pussy blindness.

276191 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 1, #118 of 2225 🔗

Decades ago, it was found that most women live longer lives without a man around, whereas most men live shorter lives without a woman around.

276326 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to arfurmo, 1, #119 of 2225 🔗

Male lives matter!

275087 ▶▶ steph, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #120 of 2225 🔗

I know I have been involved in infection chains all my life that probably culminated in the death of a vulnerable person. I didn’t do it deliberately, nor do any of you who have also done so in your thousands. We get a bad cold or flu, we stay at home because we feel dreadful or it’s the right thing to do. However, with our first coughing and spluttering before we withdrew we passed it to somebody at work, in a shop or on the bus. They then passed in on to someone else who passed it on to someone else who passed into on to a frail elderly person they were visiting and lo and behold we have killed a granny (grandads are also available but sadly in smaller numbers).
We have been doing that since the dawn of the species but only now do we panic about it.

275144 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to steph, 10, #121 of 2225 🔗

There is a fundamental issue here about how we deal with such risks in the future.

The old way was that we accepted a degree of such risk in order to get on with life. The New Way (that has been approaching for decades but is only now becoming really intrusive) is the full medicalisation of minor ailments (which can obviously be serious or terminal for the vulnerable).

But once we set off down that road in earnest, treating flus and colds as potential death sentences, holding people responsible for not spreading them, investing trillions in vaccines, lockdowns, etc, and becoming obsessively protective against them, there is no turning back to sanity.

Without regular natural stimulation, our immune systems will become less effective, and ordinary circulating viruses etc will become far more dangerous. Without natural exposure, there will only be protection against the things you are explicitly injected for There is a dependency situation being create here that will be difficult to turn back from

275529 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Mark, 6, #122 of 2225 🔗

And the creation of a belief system that says that people have no responsibility for their own health. Therefore, people are ‘living with obesity’, rather than ‘fat’, which implies poor life choices. We are no longer allowed to judge the lifestyle choices of others and say that they have brought ill health on themselves. The same applies to smoking, drinking, taking drugs, having children when they have no means of supporting them, etc.
Most of us probably drink and some smoke, but I’m sure we do so knowing that it is probably bad for us in excess and assessing the risk. If we became ill as a result, we would probably have the attitude of ‘it’s a fair cop’. That is no longer allowed.
What is allowed, of course, is judging people for using cars and eating meat, but that is more because of the effect on ‘others’ and ‘the vulnerable’, rather than on the individuals doing it.

276321 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, 3, #123 of 2225 🔗

You are right it has been developing gradually. So many forms of risk have been gradually eliminated such as letting children play out,the old routemaster buses,slam shut train doors etc etc that any risk is now deemed to be unacceptable. I suspect this is going to be the way of the future. Anyone who dies from flu will be seen as someone who has been killed by a selfish person living a normal life. Young people are expected to emasculate their futures in order to keep someone alive who might only have had months anyway. These are serious issues but the future answers seem likely to destroy society itself in order to keep us all safe.

276414 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Mark, 2, #124 of 2225 🔗

Very nicely argued. Why is risk so difficult a concept to accept? we all cross roads, walk in snow, climb stairs and steps, etc. all those can lead to risk. My Dad dropped dead at 70 outside a football match – maybe we should ban sports matches as people can die going to them.

276407 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to steph, 4, #125 of 2225 🔗

This is one grandma that fully accepts the risk and wants to get back to life as soon as possible – like tomorrow. I’ve lived through 2 pandemics and don’t give a castlemain 4xxxx about panicking

275122 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #126 of 2225 🔗

My Mum is now a granny. Not only has she (and my Dad, but no-one cares about grandads of course) regularly visited us during the course of the various lockdowns, I’ve even hugged her. Miraculously, she is still alive.

BTW, unlike some people on here, I do believe that C-19 is a disease, and that it did/is killing some people. Not even vaguely near enough to justify any of the restrictions, but the spike in April/May can’t be entirely explained by the closure of the hospitals etc, and it was too late in the year to be normal flu. And, even though it is now endemic, endemic diseases do still kill people, just not that many people.

Which is a long way of saying, it is possible (although very unlikely) that my mum (a granny) will die of C-19. However, if that did happen, the likelihood of that being directly because of her meeting up with me and my giving it to her asymptomatically is microscopic. It would be much more likely she got it in the supermarket or something. The idea that we should limit human contact with our nearest and closest friends and families in order to combat this is just insane. Genuinely evil insanity.

275309 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to kenadams, 11, #127 of 2225 🔗

My friend said to me the other day that she was off to visit her mother. Her mother’s need to see her was stronger than her need to be “protected”. Too true, why can we not let families make these decisions for themselves?

276052 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kenadams, 5, #128 of 2225 🔗

Did you ever worry about passing on colds or flu to anyone? When you drive your car do you worry about killing people.?My point is you cannot live your life fearing you might kill someone. It will lead to madness. Life is for living, this is not a dress rehearsal, there will be no encore!

276061 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to kenadams, 5, #129 of 2225 🔗

Isolating people weakens their immune systems and kills them.

276146 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #130 of 2225 🔗

It weakens the immune system which leaves you susceptible to illnesses which is probably part of their plan.

275292 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #131 of 2225 🔗

My 94 y.o granny has said she would rather die in her sleep than continue living in this environment.

275673 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #132 of 2225 🔗

Do grannies have trouble sleeping thinking of all the young people whose lives have been wrecked, ostensibly on their behalf?

276249 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 3, #133 of 2225 🔗

I don’t have trouble sleeping but I am very concerned about the cost to my children and grandchildren.

Worrying solves absolutely nothing, and is extremely draining of energy. So I tend to avoid doing it, in favour of finding things I can actually do, no matter how seemingly small. Meeting the world with a smiling bare face is one example.

276380 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #134 of 2225 🔗

No, but I do lose sleepover the businesses that have failed, the abuse in home, the suicides, the non covid deaths .the jobs lost, the mental health epidemic.

274841 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 27, #135 of 2225 🔗

Very interesting figures from the NYT if you drill down to the zip code level death stats. There was a Satmar (orthodox Jewish) wedding at which there were reportedly 7500 people. At any rate if you look at the video in the NY Post there were definitely huge numbers, all in one large room, packed together and singing.

Now this community is concentrated in Kensington and Williamsburg, both in Brooklyn.

The zip codes are 11218 and 11211. The wedding happened on 8 November. 22 days later there were a grand total of 1-2 Covid deaths over the past week out of around 175,000 people – is there anyone there who still doesn’t believe in herd immunity ?

275034 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Laurence, 8, #136 of 2225 🔗

Good one. I would say spicy chicken soup might have a lot to do with hardly any covids in the area. It’s is a well known to cure almost all ills.

274844 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #137 of 2225 🔗

We are all criminals now,

274942 ▶▶ Fred, replying to Cecil B, 2, #138 of 2225 🔗

Right !

274845 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 74, #139 of 2225 🔗

So national lockdowns have gone from being the “nuclear option” to a coercive tool wheeled out by the Fat Dictator whenever he needs to blackmail MPs into sparing his blushes.

This is so far beyond mere incompetence or bad management – it is the planned destruction of the economy to transfer wealth to the Davos elites and their lackeys in world governments. They will send millions of us to early graves in order to accomplish their oppressive, eco-fascist Reset.

Personally, I’m at a stage where I would no longer condemn any attempt made on the lives of these sadistic psychopaths. I would not shed a solitary tear for any of them.

274932 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Scotty87, 19, #140 of 2225 🔗

Great comment Scotty, you put into words what I’ve been thinking for a few days.

The terror alert was raised, wonder why? Boris exchanged Police protection for SAS, wonder why?

We are being reset. By coercion, persuasion or force if necessary. But we are being reset. Many of us are on the list to die. Preferably at home and alone, can’t have a fuss can we?

We are the resistance.


275096 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Arnie, 1, #141 of 2225 🔗

Has Boris really upped his protection? When did that happen?

275036 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Scotty87, 7, #142 of 2225 🔗

I would …I would cry after I would not be able to piss any longer on their grave, over, and over, and over…They are scum, the lot of them and deserve to be fragged (for any ex army bods out there, you know what this means)

275783 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Scotty87, 6, #143 of 2225 🔗

As frequent commenter Julian has pointed out, even if we get out of the present predicament, if another respiratory disease springs up in future the government’s response is likely to be lockdown as a first resort when it should be the last.

276339 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Scotty87, 2, #144 of 2225 🔗

Whoever did it would definitely be doing us all a favour…make them a patron saint.

276798 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Scotty87, 1, #145 of 2225 🔗

Careful now, 77th may be reading, and you may get a knock on the door…

274847 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 20, #146 of 2225 🔗

From the roundup
‘Govt. Advice for the Christmas Period’
Ends with the attached

‘There is something wrong with this page’

“Yes, it’s all a load of bollocks. Merry Xmas”

274872 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #147 of 2225 🔗

What were you looking for: sensible advice.

What went wrong: could only find government guidance.

275146 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 2, #148 of 2225 🔗

What’s that spinning noise? Oh that would be Mrs Beaton!! I thought this was a spoof till I saw the original. Do you think the term power mad megalomaniac is too understated. SAGE; a herb best grown normally under a pile of warm shit. Can be very invasive if not properly controlled with controlled and regular trimming!

274851 annie, replying to annie, 17, #149 of 2225 🔗

If Mike Yeadon is right, and I can see no reason to doubt it, how is the pseudodemic to be stopped?
Will they wait for a week or two after the magic jab is ‘rolled out’, then stop PCR testing and declare the demic over?
It would still be smoke and mirrors, but used productively for once.
It would also be a clever thing to do, which presumably makes it unthinkable. And it would be the end of power for Turdgeon, Dungford and the rest of the totalitarian goons, who don’t want the pseudodemic ever to end.

274866 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to annie, 18, #150 of 2225 🔗

Having read his piece good as it is,I found a couple of errors.He takes at face value the 40,000 deaths attributed to Covid.It is indisputable fact that the figures are unreliable.No one knows how many people died from/with or at all.Also he said the hospitals were busy in April when it has been proven that apart from ICU wards they were half empty.
Apart from that a good piece but no one in power is listening.

275129 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #151 of 2225 🔗

I think he probably knows that the numbers are over inflated but is just using numbers that people recognise? It’s a great bit of work and should be headline news with a debate on the BBC and GMB with Sage members the chuckle brothers and Mike. Remember, the way these issues used to be dealt with?

274868 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to annie, 11, #152 of 2225 🔗

There’s a small comfort in the fact that the lateral flow test seems to have a lower false positive rate. Liverpool’s reduction from Tier 3 is partially naked politics (look, if you’re good and submit to mass testing we’ll let you off the lead a little more) but it’s partially driven by the fact that when they mass tested with the lateral flow test the numbers went down sharply. The BMJ tried to claim this showed the test was missing cases, but interestingly the Government ignored them.

There are two ways you can look at this. The generous interpretation is that the Government is genuinely trying to look for a way to climb down and this gives them cover to do so. That isn’t that convincing, as the Government has had other opportunities and not taken them. Another, more convincing possibility, is that someone (probably Hancock) has investment in the lateral flow test – hence the health passport idea where you have to get tested twice a week to be allowed a “normal” life. In the former case, the thing will end because the Government does actually want it to. In the latter case, even assuming Hancock’s greed is limitless and he’ll continue this until he’s the only person in the country with any money left, I think it’s impossible that the corruption will remain hidden and the edifice will collapse in scandal when it is exposed either in the media or the courts.

274890 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Andrew Fish, 26, #153 of 2225 🔗

I don’t believe they tested any where near the numbers of people in Liverpool they claim to have. In fact i don’t believe they test hardly anyone. They’re making this shit up. The test centres are empty, the hospitals are empty, the doctors are empty. This is showing we don’t need them. Shut down the NHS and make Private health care the way forward. The NHS is a total disgrace and after turning my mrs away from A&E last night, not letting her in, no one would speak to her, i despise them. You turn up having went deaf and had blood coming from her ear and they refused to even open the fucking door. They are scum and if i could find out who the bastard was they’d be bleeding from their fucking ear pretty soon.

274905 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Biker, 13, #154 of 2225 🔗

I’m not sure what the motive would be in claiming to have tested more people than they actually have (unless the people making the claim are being paid by the test, in which case I’d expect them to claim more positives to keep the money rolling in) but in the current environment almost anything seems possible.

On the NHS – I turned against it a long time ago. Even before this year, I’ve personally seen it let people die by refusing to test for cancer or by spending months dithering over what action to take after a heart attack, neglect and abuse people in hospital, blame people for the side-effects of medication they’ve told them to take, force someone to drive in agony to hospital with a cyst in torsion because they wouldn’t send an ambulance, and scaremonger and lie through their teeth in an attempt to bully them into unnecessary surgery. I don’t know what the solution is, but I’m convinced that having a monopoly and being staffed by people who are all too susceptible to the Wormtongues of the unions telling them they are underpaid angels superior to all other life on Earth is a major part of the problem. I sympathise with your experience and I hope you find a solution and there is no permanent damage.

274913 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Andrew Fish, 5, #155 of 2225 🔗

I’m not sure what the motive would be in claiming to have tested more people than they actually have”, really?

274948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Biker, 4, #156 of 2225 🔗

If the motive was to keep us in fear then falsifying the testing would only make sense if it resulted in numbers that justified the policies being enacted. Nobody would be criticising the new tier system if the numbers had skyrocketed over the last few weeks – in fact it would look more magnaminous than simply contiuing lockdown. If the reason is corruption then, again, it makes no sense to let the numbers go down, because that way leads to the end of your contract.

274965 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Andrew Fish, 14, #157 of 2225 🔗

It’s the look of it. The signs, the queues, the masks, the closed NHS, the fake testing. All of it is a movie and since most of us are fucking cabbages it looks real. They want you in fear. I look forward to the big release from it. They feed on our emotions They are loving the fear and the loathing. They control us, manipulate us and despise us. Fuck them and their control. Free your mind from the movie. Just watch what happens on the Solstice. These fucks are biblical in their behaviour and this whole charade is a ritual. Started at the Olympics and ends, well i don’t know but it will be on one of the Equinoxes.

274980 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Biker, 3, #158 of 2225 🔗

They have already announced two lockdowns around each of the last two equinoxes and also on the Blue Moon on Halloween.

275082 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to jb12, 2, #159 of 2225 🔗

Yep they are esoteric git wizards for sure.

275303 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Biker, 3, #160 of 2225 🔗

I was amused to see Nadhim Zahawi on BBC’s Question Time last week exploit the testing in Liverpool to declare that “it proved that we live in a democracy” – clearly the irony was lost on him. Claire Fox had (as a sole voice on the panel,of course) argued that we are now living in a tyrannical society where all our freedoms and rights have been taken away from us…”we no longer live in a democracy”. Zahawi’s retort was that the sight of the people of Liverpool uniting in their desire to do their civic duty by being tested was clear evidence that democracy is alive and well. I nearly fell off my chair.

276080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #161 of 2225 🔗

He’s a card isn’t he? 🤣 🤣 🤣

276386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #162 of 2225 🔗

Other 4 letter words are available.

276439 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to leggy, #163 of 2225 🔗

Yep, but you’ll be banned. web all know them in any case.

276437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #164 of 2225 🔗

Seriously? He said we live in a democracy? He must be madder than I thought. What part of hell does he come from?

276430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Biker, 1, #165 of 2225 🔗

Not sure I can wait till then. That’s 3 weeks away. We need, as Churchill had it “action this day”

275135 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Biker, 4, #166 of 2225 🔗

I’ve been starting to think this too. I live in Redbridge, which was meant to be next in line for mass testing after Liverpool. Admittedly, I ignore all of this stuff, but I’ve not seen any evidence anywhere of people being tested here. Not a single email from the Council, not a single person knocking on the door, not a single flyer, not a single billboard or advert regarding testing, not a single ‘testing centre’ with queues of people at it.

275687 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kenadams, 3, #167 of 2225 🔗

And how can anybody possibly verify the statistics they put out? They’re like Soviet Five Year Plans, or the figures for boot production in Oceania.

275161 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Biker, 6, #168 of 2225 🔗

I think the problem with the Liverpool tests – I know people in Liverpool and about half of them went to be tested, not that that has any bearing on the actual number – Sorry, the problem is that the Army administered tests showed a dramatically lower rate of infection than the PCR tests, thus shattering the evidence for lockdown. Of course they are not going to extend them elsewhere.

276351 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, #169 of 2225 🔗

God that is bloody diabolical.

274869 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to annie, 16, #170 of 2225 🔗

Yes how can it be stopped because it seem that no matter what evidence is placed before them they are unstoppable. Given that a date in February is mentioned for the end of these Tiers (yes right just like 3 weeks to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed…) I wonder is that actually when they hope to have mass vaccination underway. We’ll have to see but they may well be disappointed on that front, everyone I know is questioning this vaccine including elderly relatives over 80 years…

274891 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Suzyv, 4, #171 of 2225 🔗

There is no vaccine and there won’t ever be one

275065 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Biker, 6, #172 of 2225 🔗

There will be injections called vaccines which will be said to work because infections will fall naturally. It’s the way the Goverment will save face when it reluctantly releases us.

275120 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Suzyv, 1, #173 of 2225 🔗

The army are building vaxx centres at football clubs – one at bristol city football and read of another somewhere. At bristol plan about 100k vaxx a week!


274877 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 9, #174 of 2225 🔗

Ironically I think the dodgy testing has had one good effect, at the start of all this the virus was an unknown ‘terror’ but now every person and their dog has either been tested or knows people who have been tested, some -ve some +ve (the dog was probably +ve) and mostly nothing has happened, nobody was ill and nobody died and in that way the dodgy testing means that an increasing number of people are seeing the virus as a damp squib. We live in hope.

274892 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #175 of 2225 🔗

I don’t know a single person who’s been tested or a single person with the “virus” so i don’t know where you get this idea that there is mass testing going on. There isn’t. Sure they make it look like it is but it ain’t.

274911 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Biker, 12, #176 of 2225 🔗

I work at a university and therefore know lots of people aged 18-21 who have been tested; many of them tested positive. I have taught some of them on zoom. They were a bit pink around the eyes, but in good spirits and perfectly able to concentrate on the seminar. Now, they are all well again. There must be tens of thousands of students around the country who now know that ‘having the virus’ is not a major life event.

274920 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Alethea, 2, #177 of 2225 🔗

“Alethea” sorry if i’m wrong but i don’t believe you. Sure you may be on the line but in this climate i distrust anyone who says anything close to the government line. I don’t believe they’re testing at universities either. My friends son is at a big university in Edinburgh and they said on the telly that they were testing students and he was waiting to be tested and not a peep yet they were saying on tv how they were being tested. It’s all bent

274930 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Biker, 11, #178 of 2225 🔗

I can only speak for my own experience: I cannot know what happens anywhere else. But at my university there is a testing centre in a white tent in a carpark, with guards in hi-viz tabards. I personally know many students who have been tested, either because they had symptoms or because another student in their household bubble had a positive test. Students here live in groups of 12 or so; if one of them tests positive they all have to stay in the flat for 2 weeks, unless they subsequently test negative, so they are highly motivated to be tested. During that period, their seminars move online, so as a teacher I am kept up to date with their symptoms and test news etc.
Of course many of these positive tests may be false positives.

274941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Alethea, 7, #179 of 2225 🔗

i don’t doubt you that there is a tent and some people are being tested but in reality it’s all show. This seems like mass hysteria from the cattle who ware easily manipulated to believe that the black death is everywhere. Shit i had a smoke with a 90 year old man last night. He came to our studio to watch us live stream a gig, something we’ve been doing for months. He’s not bothered his arse. If this dude isn’t scared why the hell is any one else?

275048 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biker, 3, #180 of 2225 🔗

got a link so I can watch your band?
How is Mrs Biker today as well?

274983 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Alethea, 4, #181 of 2225 🔗

I would have thought that was a major disincentive to ever get tested, since it places your freedom entirety in the hands of the (PCR failure rate)¹²! I’m just curious, but does the university monitor the testing of these students even if they’re living in private accomodation? Or are the 12-students households university-owned? It all sounds like a total breach of the law in how universities are treating their students – where is the right to medical confidentiality or coercion-free informed consent involved in any of this testing? Or have these legal rights been ignored in favour of peer pressure to “do the right thing” and submit to authority?

274915 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 4, #182 of 2225 🔗

I’ve met people who have been tested but not one of them positive.
I’ve also met people who are convinced they had ‘it’ either side of Xmas last year but at the time put it down to flu.

276084 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Biker, 1, #183 of 2225 🔗

My cleaning lady also works in a care home. She is tested every week.A friend was sent a random test and took it in the belief she was helping society.

274916 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #184 of 2225 🔗

I know one who tested positive but I suspected that either she simply had a very bad cold or was using the positive test to have 2 weeks off on full pay.

275040 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #185 of 2225 🔗

My niece in Bradford is a nurse and has tested positive. No symptoms whatsoever.

275051 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to davews, 1, #186 of 2225 🔗

I find that odd. I don’t think the person I know who tested positive had any symptoms at all.

275881 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to davews, 2, #187 of 2225 🔗

My 99 year old MIL tested positive while in hospital. 14 days later still no symptoms

275112 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #188 of 2225 🔗

My daughter was I’ll in Feb and had a high temp and was struggling to breath. She was ill for about a week. They thought she has a chest infection. Of course this was before they started the idea of batflu

275118 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, #189 of 2225 🔗

Sorry ill stupid spell check

275062 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #190 of 2225 🔗

I have been thinking that this might be why they are mass-testing, to undo the fear, or at least have a fear dial. They can turn the dial up or down as they see fit…They think they can anyway. This has worked for them going into autumn to boost the cases but they can only do this once or twice.

However perhaps they are trying to undo the fear because most people who test positive are just fine, many many people can see this now. The covid is a deadly killer story is rapidly running out of steam.

Could it be that this is their get out clause, demonstrating to the sheeple that a +ve test doesn’t mean that they are ill with the deadly rona.

275694 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #191 of 2225 🔗

Not in Wales, for sure. Test numbers rising means more fear means more repression means more fun for Dungford.

274952 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 8, #192 of 2225 🔗

He might be pro-vaccine, which is why he’s not been shut down on social media, I dunno

We can’t stop viruses. We learn to live with them. Current legislation to stop or eradicate the ‘virus’ is stopping and eradicating life. There is no point in living

275706 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 2, #193 of 2225 🔗

There us a huge great big point in kiving.
To oppose the totalitarian swine who are anti-life.
Get in with it.

276445 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Ben, 1, #194 of 2225 🔗

You hit the nail right on the head inone. If we are not living, but merely existing, as has been the case more or less since March, what the hell is the point of life?

276419 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to annie, 1, #195 of 2225 🔗

Of course wee burney and Dundbrain don’t want it to end – neither does the Fat controller and Witless and Valium. They just love seeing how high we’ll jump when they tell us to , they have power over us . isn’t it about time the power returned to US?

274852 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 45, #196 of 2225 🔗

Outstanding from Simon Heffer (I never thought I’d hear myself saying that).

“Our own Twenties have yet to roar. But the relentless suppression of individual freedom, and the inevitable determination to reassert ourselves over the agents of the state, means that the day will come when they will.”

The snag is that he is worried this might be a Bad Thing. Given that the original Roaring Twenties was “a period of decadence and self-indulgence”, in which “recreational drug abuse and extra-marital sex became commonplace”. Quite apart from the industrial unrest and demands for improved conditions that led to the General Strike.

Bring it on, I say. All of it. It sounds a lot more fun and real than the New Puritanism of the woke or Agenda 2030.

274894 ▶▶ Biker, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #197 of 2225 🔗

To be fair to Simon Heffer he looks like a sick fucker and in private i’m sure he gets up to all sorts, these kind of people always do.

274919 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, #198 of 2225 🔗

During his short lived spell as Editor at the Telegraph Simon Heffer sent all journalists and editors a lengthy email demanding that they cease using the words ‘The Magna Carta’, there is no indefinite article, simply Magna Carta.

274945 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 3, #199 of 2225 🔗

That is impressive. David Starkey would be proud

274990 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 1, #200 of 2225 🔗

He was right but perhaps other issues were more important?

275005 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Waldorf, #201 of 2225 🔗

That was my point, it made him an industry laughing stock. A copy of the email was sent to me by a Sunday Times sub editor of my acquaintance.

275009 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to karenovirus, 1, #202 of 2225 🔗

Strictly speaking “the” is the definite article (“a” is the indefinite article) but his point would be that Latin doesn’t contain articles – it’s all done with conjugation, so Magna Carta literally means “The Great Charter”, not sure what the Latin for “A Great Charter” would be (Googles translate reckons it’s still Magna Carta, which must be wrong). It comes from the same school of thought that says you shouldn’t split infinitives (i.e. to boldy go) which is based on the fact that in Latin infinitives are always one word and therefore impossible to split. Basically it’s a bit of a daft position to take given that we speak English, not Latin.

275027 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Andrew Fish, 6, #203 of 2225 🔗

I feel a Monty Python moment coming on: Conjugate the verb “to go”… “100 times before dawn or I’ll cut your bollocks off”

275713 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #204 of 2225 🔗

Latin has no definite or indefinite article, so ‘Magna Carta’ can mean either ‘the Great Charter’ or ma Great Charter’.

274910 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #205 of 2225 🔗

As a historian of that period, the “Roaring Twenties” is much a myth as the “Swinging Sixties” was. It only affected a very, very small segment of society and while its true that there were great changes, for the vast majority of people life more or less went on much less the same.

Here are two blogs that aim to point out the historical reality of the 1920s:



However I do agree that the 1920s does sound much more fun and real than our present.

274993 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #206 of 2225 🔗

Scott Fitzgerald has a lot to answer for.

275053 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #207 of 2225 🔗

Indeed he does. As is the Bright Young People too.

275172 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #208 of 2225 🔗

True, one of my mates says that in london some places have opened up as a speakeasies. With blacked out windows. Want to get my spats and zoot suit on and go checkem out. Wonder if the have a password on the door? I hope this is true!

276108 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #209 of 2225 🔗

Great stuff. Back to the Roarin’ 20s and Prohibition!

276396 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #210 of 2225 🔗

Anytime sounds better compared with this hell hole.

274854 Danny, replying to Danny, 37, #211 of 2225 🔗

So Baron Greenback has now realised that this latest dictat will only get through thanks to labour. His first strategy of bringing out loveable rogue Micky Gove to shout at them all has shockingly backfired, so now he presents them with the Sophie’s choice that they can either vote with him, or he will press the never to to be used nuclear button for the third time straight after Xmas and lock the nation in for good. Only this time, it won’t be his fault. No no dear constituents. It will be fault of your local MP.
This is ridiculous now. In the realm of the banana republics.

274855 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Danny, 13, #212 of 2225 🔗

Yes, their political games as the country is trashed around our ears are repulsive to behold.

(I had to look up Baron Greenback. But yes, I do see it now.)

274862 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #213 of 2225 🔗

Does that make Hancock Stiletto or Nero?

274863 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Danny, 4, #214 of 2225 🔗

It will also be the fault of feckless Carol Singers who are given a remarkably free run in the Government Advice for Xmas, even being allowed to go singing door to door.

274870 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 15, #215 of 2225 🔗

“Selfish granny killers. Vectors of death” – i can hear the sheeple bleat.

well, I’m off into a day of work in london now…it feels lonely sometimes being surrounded (on the train and then in the streets) by so many brainwashed mask-loving, flying monkeys.

275168 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Danny, 3, #216 of 2225 🔗

Nothing lovable about Gove. Conniving back-stabber would be closer.

274856 Allan Gay, replying to Allan Gay, 8, #217 of 2225 🔗

There’s a lovely image of Symonds and Dilyn today in The Mail Online.
Dilyn is on the right.

274861 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Allan Gay, 5, #218 of 2225 🔗

Two dogs under one roof rarely works

275029 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Allan Gay, 4, #219 of 2225 🔗

I see he’s been recruited into the scare campaign. A low trick.

274858 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #220 of 2225 🔗

Regarding the above photograph of Mrs Dick

In the background all the buildings are boarded up and their are no people on the street. It would appear the TSG welding teams have been at work

‘mission accomplished ‘ would be a suitable caption

274898 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Cecil B, 2, #221 of 2225 🔗

Looks like a mock up training street made out of marine ply like the Army put up on Salisbury Plain – or a Hollywood back lot.

275011 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #222 of 2225 🔗

She’s here – where they train people up to deal with dissenters.


275181 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to leggy, 4, #223 of 2225 🔗

Is that where they learned how to execute Jean Charles de Menezes?

275114 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 1, #224 of 2225 🔗

I went to a government training facility once back in the old days, an old industrial complex with big ware houses. The cops and military and the SAS used it to train in.

At the time it was peak rave ( the mid-late 90’s) and one of the factory buildings was turned into a RAVE, complete with day glow smilies painted around the place. The floor was littered with smoke cannisters and other pyro technical junk from flash bangs and tear gas bombs most likely.

That was interesting and showed what the government took to be a threat priority at the time.

275721 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #225 of 2225 🔗

Nowadays the threat priority us anybody, anywhere, who is behaving like a human being.

274860 NorthumbrianNomad, 36, #226 of 2225 🔗

The politicians – government, opposition and CRG alike – are just playing their usual horse-trading games for votes. Parliament is a distraction from the problem, not the solution to it.

Mass civil disobedience is the solution.

When the state claims the right to shut down and open up the economy, culture and society whenever it likes, we must all become enemies of the state.

Given the less than inspiring physical and mental calibre of the state’s representatives as we encounter them (“the obese police dismisses us, and that suffices us NOT”), this is not a difficult leap to make.

274867 Galuchat, replying to Galuchat, 11, #227 of 2225 🔗

Heil Bozo!

274873 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Galuchat, 21, #228 of 2225 🔗

The spaffing Johnson threatens his party with his own behaviour – ‘look what you will have made me do’ – while posing as a mock Churchill saving Christmas.

Is he just trolling us, blatantly taking the piss out of the entire country? Or is he actually stupid enough to believe anyone takes him seriously in the terms he presents himself?

274875 ▶▶▶ fosterc, replying to Ovis, 18, #229 of 2225 🔗

Churchill he is not. Did you read that rambling nonsense in the press over the weekend. It’s the sort of ting you would write after downing a bottle of Scotch thinking its Shakespeare..

274880 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to fosterc, 4, #230 of 2225 🔗

Yes, but does it indicate advanced mental dissolution, or is he just taking the piss?

274889 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to fosterc, 5, #231 of 2225 🔗

Pity he was too pissed to find the Webley.

275183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #232 of 2225 🔗

Or the Katana, might take a bit longer, as he might struggle to find his heart, bastard!

274876 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 3, #233 of 2225 🔗

Rat says there is a 3rd wave coming so yaa-boo to Dr. Yeadon.

Naval types and mariners are waiting for the 9th wave, the biggest wave of all.

274879 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Stuart, 8, #234 of 2225 🔗

Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much further out than you thought
And not waving but drowning.

Poor chap, he always loved larking
And now he’s dead
It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way,
They said.

Oh, no no no, it was too cold always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
And not waving but drowning.

274878 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #235 of 2225 🔗

Watching repeats of Cheers EVERY morning before work for the last 8 months as I can’t bring myself to watch breakfast news. Feel like topping myself!

274992 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #236 of 2225 🔗

Lockdown Sceptics: the place where everyone (and GCHQ) knows your name.

275166 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Alexei, 1, #237 of 2225 🔗

They already had my name – being here is just another entry in the file.

I remember, back in the 1990s, my (Irish) civil servant Dad telling me that GCHQ were monitoring all phone calls from Ireland that passed into/through the UK. Internet traffic (which would have appeared from the end of the 1990s on) would be a logical extension.

276121 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Alexei, #238 of 2225 🔗

Is that supposed to worry us?

275104 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #239 of 2225 🔗

and Cheers is excellent

274881 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 18, #240 of 2225 🔗

Daily Mail

First Covid vaccine could get UK approval within DAYS – as government bids to recruit celebrities and social media stars to counter ‘concerning’ anti-vaxxer theories online
The comments are choice.

If you have a dodgy vaccine, don’t confuse people with ‘science’, jut get celebrities to promote it.


274893 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Basileus, 17, #241 of 2225 🔗

Marcus seems like a sensible lad – perhaps someone could let him know in advance about how Pfizer kill African children in illegal medical trials. See if he fancies shilling for them then. https://www.outsourcing-pharma.com/Article/2008/01/14/Pfizer-vows-to-fight-on-after-Nigeria-arrests

274896 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Basileus, 4, #242 of 2225 🔗

My friends dad is a pharmasict in a hospital and they have been told they will get the vaccine in 2 weeks.

274928 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Janice21, 7, #243 of 2225 🔗

I’ve just been for a blood test. Lovely way to start a Monday! I commented to the nurse that I imagined that she’d be getting geared up to inject stuff into people rather than take it out. “Any time now, it’s the only thing that will stop this horrible covid” was the reply. Tempted as I might have been to say, “actually, if we stopped complying that would probably do it too”, I instead beat a hasty retreat.

They were in the middle of a “flu clinic” and the sight of flu vaccine related bunting everywhere had given me the willies.

275121 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 3, #244 of 2225 🔗

Patriotic advertising for big pharma?

275149 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Two-Six, 5, #245 of 2225 🔗

Yep – Seqirus. Don’t posters like this just give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside?

275110 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Basileus, 6, #246 of 2225 🔗

No problem. When the adverse effects start rolling in, we can just sue the fucking celebrities as well.

275572 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #247 of 2225 🔗

The virtue-signallers will love that. Masks and complaints of feeling on death’s door to elevate themselves to status of covid saints

275729 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #248 of 2225 🔗

I hope all their horrible arms swell up and fall off.
A celebrity suing the Fascist Junta would be good.

275195 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Basileus, 7, #249 of 2225 🔗

Ooh ooh, can we suggest celebs to be first? That quack Hilary and Piers the pie Morgan. The BBC News team.

274885 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #250 of 2225 🔗

So it turns out that ‘COVID Mary’ is just a clumsy poorly trained teenage lab assistant.

274964 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #251 of 2225 🔗

Or Covid Mary is everyone who’s healthy

274887 alw, replying to alw, 6, #252 of 2225 🔗

Festive Protest Suggestion. I wouldn’t put it past the police to clampdown on this given their performance in London on Saturday.

275023 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to alw, 3, #253 of 2225 🔗

Do pop up choirs all over London.

275091 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to thinkaboutit, #254 of 2225 🔗

Choral flash mob

275284 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to alw, #255 of 2225 🔗

Change the lyrics. I’m sure we have a few poets amongst us.

274895 alw, 65, #256 of 2225 🔗

From the Twitter feed of Professor Robert Dingwall a government advisor on pandemics. Why aren’t the government listening to him?

”As a public health scientist, I think it is irresponsible to continue promoting fear and anxiety about the Covid-19 risks of Christmas when we cannot know the circumstances of every individual’s life.

I am 70 with no known co-morbidities. Several of my likely family visitors have already had Covid and recovered. They will still be largely immune from reinfection – risk is 1 in several million. I shall hug them freely.

I have four grandchildren under 6. Children of this age represent a minimal risk. I shall hug them as freely as I have done all along because I think the value to each party exceeds the risk.

People should be properly informed of the risks – and the uncertainties of the evidence for them – but it is for them to decide what risk/benefit balance to tolerate not for public health scientists or politicians to preach at them. “

274899 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 13, #257 of 2225 🔗

In case nobody has mentioned this – problems with Oxford/ AZ Vaccine trials in India –


“A 40-year-old volunteer for ‘Covishield’, the candidate vaccine being tested by the Pune-based Serum Institute of India (SII), has sued the company for ₹5 crore, alleging that the vaccine triggered an adverse reaction, which includes neurological impairment and an inability to get back to the life before being inoculated.

He has also demanded, via a legal notice sent to the SII, AstraZeneca and the Oxford Vaccine Group, that the vaccine trial, which is now being tested on 1,600 volunteers in India, be immediately halted.

The person’s discharge summary says he was “discharged at request” and was recovering from “acute encephalopathy”. He also had Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D deficiency, and had a probable “connective tissue disorder”.

Not good

274978 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #258 of 2225 🔗

There were a couple of times when the trial was halted due to causing neurological issues. The first time they tried to claim it was because the person had a pre-existing condition and the trial resumed. Not sure what happened the second time, but the FDA are still refusing to sign off on the vaccine as far as I’m aware.

275468 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #259 of 2225 🔗

I don’t want this fu**ing vaccine, nor to download an app that proves I’ve had the vaccine. An app owned by a Conservative politician looking to get rich. We are being branded by Pharma and tech

274900 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 67, #260 of 2225 🔗

I have woken, as my dear mum would have said “wrong side out” today. My blackboard protest reads:

Britain 2020

Liberty – Stolen
Kindness and Compassion – Outlawed


My freedom should not end where your fear begins.

274933 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #261 of 2225 🔗

Hear, hear!!!

274997 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 10, #262 of 2225 🔗

Well done, kh.
Hope you have a good day, whichever side out you may be at the moment!

275010 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 27, #263 of 2225 🔗

Thanks OBP. I did have a bit of a laugh this morning – lovely sight of four young school lads larking about with an office chair they’d obviously found, doing what kids do, messing about, laughing and not a care in the world (for those of a certain vintage, they reminded me of the characters in Grange Hill – before it got all issue-driven). They even moved their school bags out of my way as I walked past and one of them said “good morning”. Fair cheered me up. And I haven’t experienced one school kid swerve out of my way – they could teach their elders a bit.

275042 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 11, #264 of 2225 🔗

Let’s hope all kids retain their innocence and keep bringing us their laughter.
Goodness knows we need their perspective as an antidote to our own worries.

I think of my toddler grandchildren and hope they will grow up innocent and free too. That’s been a motivator for me.

275066 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 35, #265 of 2225 🔗

My mother in law is really angry with me because my daughter told her on the Zoom call that Corona is not really dangerous to most people and that people who wear mask outside look silly ( I do not know where she got that from….muahahahahaha) She said to my wife that I’m being irresponsible. My answer is that will all respect to tell her mum to wind her neck in or fuck off. I will tell my own child the truth and will not roll over when they try to brainwash them at school. That went down well as you cn imagine. I’m now at the point where I do not give shit anymore, I will speak my mind no matter the cost.

275080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #266 of 2225 🔗

Indeed they do look silly. (per one of Mabel Cow’s brilliant posters):

Muppet.jpg (2875×3900) (baffledcow.com)

275738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #267 of 2225 🔗

There’s many a bad mother-in-law has prevented a good mrriage.

275099 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kh1485, 21, #268 of 2225 🔗

I used to get irritated by kids arsing around (I’m a pit of a grumpy old cow), but these days I love to see it. It’s an echo of a bygone era where people actually lived instead of just existing.

275105 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mabel Cow, 12, #269 of 2225 🔗

I’m the same. Like I say, it really cheered me up and the fact that they were so nice to me was an added bonus. Whoever their parents are, those kids are a credit to them.

275228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 18, #270 of 2225 🔗

So true, when the original first lockdown was on a group of about 12 young girls and boys were sitting over the park in a circle having a beer. As I walked by with my dog they looked at me I suppose because I am old expecting me to tell them off for not social distancing or following the stay at home bullshit. I just smiled congratulated them on their bravery and told them to ignore all the stupid old people’s comments and to live their live.

275055 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 2, #271 of 2225 🔗

You wrote it on a blackboard? A photo would be great

275109 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ben, 2, #272 of 2225 🔗

Love to, but there’s a limit on how many MBs you can post on the site so I can’t – sorry.

275818 ▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, 2, #273 of 2225 🔗

Keep fighting the good fight, kh1485. And as others are saying here, I also find myself cheered by seeing young people behaving boisterously.

276911 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to kh1485, #274 of 2225 🔗

Kh1485 – you are a very witty comrade. Thanks for giving me …at least several…laughs every day. You are also a great fighter. Love it.

274902 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 18, #275 of 2225 🔗

Gemma O’Doherty in Ireland has it right. There needs to be long jail sentences dished out when this is all over, in her country and here.


274973 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ross Hendry, 8, #276 of 2225 🔗

Absolutely. The offficals who engaged in active censorship and fear mongering cannot simply rely on the panic excuse. It is their job to provide impartial and considered advice but it became, almost immediately, a dogmatic lockstep beat the drum for vaccines approach.

274903 D B, replying to D B, 15, #277 of 2225 🔗

De-bunking PCR is the best thing we can do to fight this nonsense, seems like the lateral flow test will replace it and then legal proceedings in Portugal could set precedent in the EU and so called Global Britain will eventually fall into line, hopefully paving the way for the affected to file lawsuits.

274970 ▶▶ Ben, replying to D B, 5, #278 of 2225 🔗

It’s not about health

274904 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #279 of 2225 🔗

You can read the Swiss article in English by going to https://translate.google.co.uk/

then putting in the web address on the left, pick English on the top right , click address on rhs and happy reading.

274912 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to arfurmo, 1, #280 of 2225 🔗


This is a full reference of studies in English

274907 swedenborg, 11, #281 of 2225 🔗

https://inn24.ca/index.php/2020/11/29/who-and-lancet-investigations-into-pandemics-origins-lack-independence-and-credibility/ WHO and Lancet investigations into pandemic’s origins lack independence and credibility

A very well -balanced short report with several links. Even in MSM (Washington Post) is concerned about the independence of the investigation. This taboo in MSM seems to have been broken after the Relman’s article saying that a laboratory accident cannot be ruled out. China is increasing the pressure now claiming the origin of C-19 in India and also repression of medical staff in Wuhan.

274909 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 30, #282 of 2225 🔗

I’ve just sent an e-mail to my local paper asking why my posts underneath Covid articles are being disabled on a regular basis. It appears that I can’t even reply to responses made to my posts before they were taken down.
All my posts contain easily verifiable facts and figures and simply ask readers to look into those facts.
This is North Korea.

274955 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, 1, #283 of 2225 🔗

Local Live (mirror group news) ?

275117 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to karenovirus, 1, #284 of 2225 🔗

Yes, is that the reason k?

275474 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, 2, #285 of 2225 🔗

Full on Corona horror and lockdown zealots and every article has 200k likes as soon as it goes online, probably doesn’t get 200k page views.

275143 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Margaret, 4, #286 of 2225 🔗

Our local paper is just The Most Horrible Thing Ever.
A total shit-show of communitarian bollocks and propaganda. Nobody bothers with comments on their stupid web site, nobody reads them. If people do comment and say anything that goes against the official narrative they are deleted.

One monumental shower of bastards.

274914 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 11, #287 of 2225 🔗

When will arrests be made? how long can they get away with it?

274924 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Eddy, 9, #288 of 2225 🔗

Indefinitely if our numbers remain so low. At this point peerages and knighthoods are a more likely outcome for the perpetrators than the arrest, trial and lifetime custodial sentences they deserve.

no Prime Minister wants to impose restrictions which cause such harm to society, the economy and people’s mental health ” is at least a public admission from Johnson that he is indeed doing these things.

274951 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard O, 7, #289 of 2225 🔗

So don’t f’ing do it then

274918 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #290 of 2225 🔗

Why did the numbers fall so rapidly, despite the open restaurants and shops and the loose contact restrictions? The experts don’t quite know…. President of the Swiss Institute for Intensive Care added: “We can only speculate on what led to the turnaround in infection numbers.”

Is he having a laugh?

I predict a lot more of this sort of thing. Denial that the lockdown sceptics, Levitt, Gupta, Gomes etc. could possibly have known what was going to happen. Presumably the GB Declaration was simply a ‘right wing libertarian’ manifesto put together by well-known troublemakers and neo-fascists. The fact that it predicted the future was just coincidence; a lucky guess.

274996 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #291 of 2225 🔗

The classic “It would be wrong to pre judge the findings of the enquiry”

Enquiry is called and takes years. 2030 arrives, we find out it was all a scam but we can’t leave our homes because they’ve set out ID bracelets to lockdown.

274921 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 25, #292 of 2225 🔗

They seem to be panicking now, shoving the vaccine along before the whole thing collapses, which is coming

274927 ▶▶ alw, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #293 of 2225 🔗

Don’t believe the vaccine will be forthcoming.

274935 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to alw, 6, #294 of 2225 🔗

Even water would do, if they convinced people THEY had saved the day

274962 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #295 of 2225 🔗

If they could just let all of us enlightened people that’s what they’re doing. The sheeple would be happy as they never have to confront their worst nightmare or admit they were wrong and everyone can get on.
And they all lived happily ever after.

275041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to CGL, 6, #296 of 2225 🔗

Their worst nightmare is coming when they allow themselves to be injected with something that is going to irreparably damage their bodies. This only ends with many thousands of deaths and severe injuries from the vaccine.

275031 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #297 of 2225 🔗

They’re doing the ‘great’ reset, not trying to ‘save the day’.

275151 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #298 of 2225 🔗

Is it wrong to hope that the vaccine really does end up being dangerous, despite that meaning thousands of lives would be ruined? Particularly if the danger become clear within a couple of months rather than years, because then that really would bring this show to an end. They really really couldn’t spin that to their advantage.

275156 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to kenadams, 2, #299 of 2225 🔗

A more humane wish might be that nearly everyone gets quite bad flu-like symptoms from it, ie worse than actually getting covid for 99% of people. But, the problem is, that wouldn’t be enough. Everyone is so convinced by the cult, that they would all go on BBC saying how glad they were not to die, just to feel wretched for a fortnight.

275182 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to kenadams, 2, #300 of 2225 🔗

I think that’s a human reaction and one I have some sympathy with as long as all of the first people to take it are those who really want it and are not coerced as I fear some health and care workers may be.
On the other side of the coin is the fact that a lot of people desperate for the vaccine have just been frightened into thinking it’s the only way they can avoid this “lethal” disease and also, who ends up paying for their lifetime of care with devastating injuries whilst Pharma’s pockets are full?

275019 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to alw, 1, #302 of 2225 🔗

My phone is blocking access to this web link. The connection was reset, please check your connection. Yeah, right

274923 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 42, #303 of 2225 🔗

I think Johnson now threatening MPs from his own party shows that he’s losing the plot.

The rebel MPs need to hold their nerve and not be bought or fobbed off with crumbs.

And as for the general public they also need to carry out their own acts of resistance.

The lifting of lockdown should be an opportunity to undertake this act of civil disobedience. All shops, museums, pubs restaurants and venues should reopen with no restrictions, no masks, no sanitisers, no one way systems, no pre-booking and no test & trace.

Do like those gym owners and hairdressers in the north – fight back and demand that the authorities take you to court.

The police have shown us that they’re willing to fight dirty. Let’s turn the tables on them in a non-violent way.

274940 ▶▶ Danny, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #304 of 2225 🔗

I agree. Laws can only work at the barrel of a gun or by mass acceptance. Luckily we are not at the barrel of a gun stage yet in the UK and however bad things get are unlikely to ever be there, so it is mass acceptance through misinformation,
Indifference, resignation and fear. Dissent can only ever work in the same two ways. It a thousand people took off their masks, walked proudly into a family home, opened a pub, opened a business, there is nothing the authorities could do. If one man opens his gym, he has a visit from 30 police.
Without collective action of the “I’m Spartacus” variety, it is hopeless.

274947 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Danny, 8, #305 of 2225 🔗

Exactly. I think the vast majority of people are afraid and are constantly going “this too shall pass.” However if we want that saying to be true, we need to take action.

And the collective “I am Spartacus” variety is the only way. As I’ve said before, if more than enough people and businesses did it, the authorities wouldn’t know where to start and the whole edifice will crumble.

274981 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Danny, 6, #306 of 2225 🔗

Or some places open up, draw in a large police presence while other places also open up and there’s nothing to stop them.

275197 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to mhcp, 1, #307 of 2225 🔗

And they don’t accept fines and we crowdfund their court costs

274963 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #308 of 2225 🔗

Anyone seen the labour party?

275210 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Eddy, 7, #309 of 2225 🔗

Haha. The Labour Party of the past was a thing of real integrity. I didn’t support most of their views but you knew they were sincerely held. It’s disappeared but then so has the Conservative party. Last seen in about 1992

276482 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to steph, 4, #310 of 2225 🔗

I was a member of the labour party in the early 1980s. It had its faults but i do believe it genuinely wanted to improve the lot of working class people…even if some of their policies sadly had the opposite effect. Now though many of my academic colleagues are members. They are classic champagne socialists who try to avoid working class people if they possibly can. Some of them openly say the working class are no longer welcome in the party as ‘they do not share our values’. It is totally public sector dominated so its no surprise the lockdown has been so loved by labour. None of them lose anything from it.

276560 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Eddy, 1, #311 of 2225 🔗

Can’t find them. They seemed to have disappeared.

275088 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #312 of 2225 🔗

A little thing that I’ve been doing recently is deliberately getting closer and closer to other people when shopping, trying to break through this poisonous social distancing fuckwittery.

I also make sure I smile a lot when I shop, to let the muzzled see what it’s like to be an actual human being instead of a foot soldier following orders.

275163 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Mabel Cow, 6, #313 of 2225 🔗

I’ve started doing that as well! Particularly when I’m with my 2-year old son, because I can use him as a good excuse to get to people because of course he just wanders wherever he likes and gets under people’s feet.

The one thing I will say – no-one I’ve yet met has been so far gone with covid cult that they’ve reacted badly to my son getting near them. They’ve all either not cared or found it adorable! Humanity isn’t quite broken…

275223 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to kenadams, 4, #314 of 2225 🔗

I hope your son will start to see many more full faces soon. It must be quite a confusing world for him when about one third of his life so far has been lived like that.
Thankfully he has a sensible parent.

276543 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #315 of 2225 🔗

I’ve been doing that as well. I would always ask people to repeat what they’re saying to the point that they have to move closer and remove their muzzle.

Ditto with the smile – it does go a long way.

275164 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #316 of 2225 🔗


276454 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #317 of 2225 🔗

I love the idea that all business owners should ignore the tiers and just open fully anyway. The police would never be able to get to all of them in time to charge them.
Oh, and we have the names published of anyone who grasses on said businesses?

276559 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anne Passman, 2, #318 of 2225 🔗

It’s always baffled me that businesses especially the major high street chains have been cowed so badly and in some cases are fully complicit. Whatever happened to the right to a livelihood?

How many businesses are there? Lots and there won’t be that many police to be able to go after all of them.

Anyone who grasses on said businesses should be reminded of what happened to their counteraparts in France after WW2 and Germany in the early 1990s.

274925 Ben, replying to Ben, 23, #319 of 2225 🔗

If the testing stopped, would the ‘pandemic’ stop?

If lockdowns, face masks and restrictions were stopped and the media stopped spreading fear, would life return to normal, albeit with colds and flu as there always have been?

Would pharma and tech company shareholders be happy if things returned to normal?

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274929 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 8, #320 of 2225 🔗

Answer to 1) Without a doubt.
2) I’d really hope so.
3) Not a chance, but they deserve some misery.

274926 AB, replying to AB, 3, #321 of 2225 🔗

Just had a reply to the email I sent to my MP.
She claims that as of last night “all our local ITUs are full with COVID patients”.
Is there anywhere I can find out up to date figures?

274936 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AB, 2, #322 of 2225 🔗

They must be able to if they want to, my MP has said that the local hospitals are coping well and down on capacity.

274946 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to AB, 7, #323 of 2225 🔗

Every year the NHS is on red alert in winter and ICU’s are full thanks to “winter pressures”. The press have never been interested and I don’t recall Politicians being bothered either, individual trusts get on with it and we’ve never needed to protect them.

274968 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AB, 5, #324 of 2225 🔗

She probably means that ITU beds allocated to Covid are full. It’s been done before elsewhere but is not technically a lie.

274987 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 4, #325 of 2225 🔗

So about 5 beds

275017 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 5, #326 of 2225 🔗

Case I was thinking about was around a month ago.
Sky News reported Blackpool Victoria Hospital ‘full of Covid victims’.
A whistleblower nurse reported that all covid allocated beds were indeed full.
8 out of a total 767.

275044 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to karenovirus, 3, #327 of 2225 🔗

Plus ICU is used after many planned operations. Which have now restarted unlike earlier in the year. There’s an obsession with having unused capacity as if that is automatically a good thing.

276468 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to karenovirus, 1, #328 of 2225 🔗

Really proves the old saying that there are lies, damned lies and statistics. Those from SAGE are a load of bullsxxxt

276465 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to karenovirus, 1, #329 of 2225 🔗

Maybe not, but, as with so many sets of data, they are not the truth either.

274984 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AB, 2, #330 of 2225 🔗

Tell her to get off her fat arse and go and look for herself.

275007 ▶▶▶ AB, replying to stefarm, 4, #331 of 2225 🔗

My MP is Maria Caulfield, so she has been doing some work in the local hospitals as a nurse. That’s why I want to find the real numbers as opposed to the ones she is quoting me.

275025 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AB, 2, #332 of 2225 🔗

Ha, we have the same MP, AB. I only found out recently she’s an Assistant Whip.

With the best will in the world, anyone who thinks nursing is more important than being an MP in such times is a stooge and/or very dim.

275064 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to AB, 2, #333 of 2225 🔗

Noted, has anybody done an FOI, how many beds are for covid patients/total ICU beds. Hold on a minute, we have the nightingale hospitals………… don’t we…….

275000 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AB, 1, #334 of 2225 🔗

Adapnation.io have a hospital dashboard which is interactive

275046 ▶▶▶ AB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #335 of 2225 🔗


275020 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to AB, 3, #336 of 2225 🔗

I don’t believe that for a minute. I ICU’s are used for many conditions I. E strokes car accident victims cardiac arrest etc. They’ll say anything just to keep the narrative going. Prior to Covid were the ICU’s then empty most of the time.

275049 ▶▶▶ AB, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #337 of 2225 🔗

I know, that’s why I was a bit gobsmacked by her assertion.

275551 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to AB, 3, #338 of 2225 🔗

People who make such generalised, non-contextual statements as your MP need to have the matter turned around on them and be told that their statement is meaningless as it stands.

She needs to be asked how many IC beds there are in total (and occupied)? How many of those are designated as for Covid19 positive patients (and are occupied)? How many total IC beds there were at the same time last year and what percentage were occupied this time last year? How many of the current Covid19 positive IC cases were admitted for non-Covid related ailments? How many are asymptomatic for Covid19? How many tested positive after they were admitted to hospital? How many of the positive IC cases were admitted because they had Covid19 symptoms alone?

She probably also needs to be reminded that at this time of year it is normal for IC Units to operate at 95% capacity – they are considered to be poorly managed if the costly beds and staff are not used to near capacity. She might also be reminded that available IC beds per 100,000 population in the UK are about a quarter the number in Germany, a third of those in the US and half of those in France and much of Eastern Europe.

It is also standard practice for hospitals in Health Trust areas to work ‘as one’. So if one hospital is under pressure there are standard arrangements for transferring patients from one hospital to another. This is second nature to them.

275159 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to AB, 6, #339 of 2225 🔗

Even if true, so what? We cannot decimate the economy and lock healthy people us because this useless Government could not fix the NHS in 252 days

274939 leggy, replying to leggy, 3, #340 of 2225 🔗

I happened across this website – looks like they’re recruiting. Not bad pay either. Though I can’t really imagine that there are many events that need security right now?


Interestingly, that website came up on a search for “TSG policing”. The whole website warrants a browse.

It couldn’t be, could it? Is my scepticism and cynisism getting the better of me?

274961 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to leggy, 5, #341 of 2225 🔗

Good find. This needs addressing…

Briefly, as an Interforce officer you will be responsible for carrying out a number of functions traditionally the reserve for Police, such as addressing incidents of crime, anti-social behaviour, and disorder.

274969 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #342 of 2225 🔗

Quite. I don’t think I’m reading too much between the lines. We have all read much on here about the behaviour of the TSG over recent months. What would it mean if we effectively had private police on our streets assaulting people?

If only Roger Cook was still about, it’s the sort of thing he’d get his teeth stuck into. Do we have investigative journalists that could tackle this? Anna B perhaps?

275229 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to leggy, 1, #343 of 2225 🔗

Maybe worth submitting this for the updates?

274985 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to leggy, 4, #344 of 2225 🔗

Nice work for unemployed nightclub bouncers.

275098 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to karenovirus, 1, #345 of 2225 🔗

I don’t think we should assume they’ll be British.

275070 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to leggy, 3, #346 of 2225 🔗

I heard early on that one security firm in London village was booming guarding empty offices etc.

275071 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to leggy, 2, #347 of 2225 🔗

Oh how lovely..A job site for Brown shirts of the future. They are clearly trolling us now .

274943 alw, replying to alw, 23, #348 of 2225 🔗

Just in from Simon Dolan:


Judgement in our Court of Appeal case will be given tomorrow at 2pm

https:// justice.gov.uk/courts/court-l ists/list-appeal-civil

Will it be good news? Interesting coming on the day MPs vote on the new tier system.!!

274949 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 7, #349 of 2225 🔗

Finally. The date is too much of a coincidence. Is it so as not to influence the vote?

274960 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #350 of 2225 🔗

Bit suspicious isn’t it – any idea what time the vote is?

274972 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to leggy, 8, #351 of 2225 🔗

Do you think they’d go as far as to have two judgements prepared and use the one which corresponded to the parliamentary decision?

274986 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew Fish, 7, #352 of 2225 🔗

It’s becoming increasing difficult to rule such suggestions out isn’t it.

275074 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #353 of 2225 🔗

There are no conspiracies but there are also no coincidences …

274950 ▶▶ gail Sydney_Smith, replying to alw, 5, #354 of 2225 🔗

may God go with you

274956 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to alw, 7, #355 of 2225 🔗

I have wondered if the judges have been more worried about how they’ll be perceived than with the actual facts (I can’t see why they’d take so long to reach a decision otherwise). If the mood music is turning against lockdown then they’d look like heroes if they found for Dolan now, whereas if it still felt like the country was pro-lockdown and the Dolan case collapsed it they’d be seen as complicit in any deaths chalked up to Covid over the winter.

Touch wood they’ll either stick to following the facts or think the mood music is going our way.

274994 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Andrew Fish, 6, #356 of 2225 🔗

I expect the judges are delaying because they don’t want to find ‘against the will of parliament’ in a judgment that may ‘kill 500,000 people’ etc

I expect when the mood turns against lockdown or we are out of it they will find for Dolan

275268 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #357 of 2225 🔗

They did not worry about the will of the people when they passed all those anti brexit judgements. If they just look at the facts there can only be one outcome.

274995 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to alw, 25, #358 of 2225 🔗

whatever happens Simon Dolan is a man of integrity and a hero, unlike the majority of our parliament

275154 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #359 of 2225 🔗

Agree. He is the only one that challenged the Government. Others followed but only much later

274954 Simon Dutton, replying to Simon Dutton, 6, #360 of 2225 🔗

Good article about the mooted vaccines:


Some useful comments, too.

275147 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Simon Dutton, #361 of 2225 🔗

Great article

274957 George Morris, replying to George Morris, 9, #362 of 2225 🔗

May I draw some conclusions from Scotland – specifically Moray? We are in Level 1 (I think) which is not haveing much of an effect on anything. And yet we show the same falling ‘cases’ profile seen in areas which have either had lockdown or higher tier/level restrictions. What is driving the fall in cases here? Certainly it can’t be lockdown because we haven’t had one.

274977 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to George Morris, 5, #363 of 2225 🔗

Nobody is getting tested??!!

274999 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to George Morris, 1, #364 of 2225 🔗

masks and 6 feet of course

275004 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to George Morris, 4, #365 of 2225 🔗

Has to be either herd immunity or all the positive energy being sent out by those good folk at Findhorn.

275198 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #366 of 2225 🔗

The Findhorn Foundation?

276884 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #367 of 2225 🔗

Yep, it’s on the Moray Firth. Or used to be …

275013 ▶▶ DRW, replying to George Morris, 2, #368 of 2225 🔗

You “followed the rules” and “took it seriously”?

275032 ▶▶ Mike, replying to George Morris, 4, #369 of 2225 🔗

There is a good chance that the sheeple most likely to get tested have already been tested. The dry wood so to speak. Those of a more sceptical or even cautious later are probably less bothered. Hence the tailing off. Interesting though that the majority of positive cases (if there is such a thing) are coming from the types of people who are following the rules, either by choice or mandate.

275059 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Mike, 3, #370 of 2225 🔗

How many of the people being tested (care home staff, for example) have already had the virus and the test is showing positive for that reason? What is the point of testing people who are already immune? How many immune people are, like Boris Johnson, being required to quarantine? How many of them are NHS staff, thereby perpetuating staff shortages and arguments for ‘lockdowns’.

There is a belief that immune people can still spread the disease. How can this be? I became immune to measles 55 years ago after having it weeks after starting school, as many did. I’m not giving it to people now – and, no, my generation hasn’t been vaccinated. If I was in the company of someone with measles, I could perhaps spread it from my hair and clothes until they were changed and washed, which is why anyone who has been in a hospital now should change and shower before mixing in public, but would I be a spreader? I don’t see how.

275244 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Mike, 3, #371 of 2225 🔗

the majority of positive cases (if there is such a thing) are coming from the types of people who are following the rules, either by choice or mandate.

Excellent point Mike, I would have to be marched at gunpoint into a testing centre myself, and I never obey the rules, not only that but I am in the higher risk group by virtue of age etc. so I think I would know if I have got it and I am fairly sure I haven’t.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if you could prove that the people that got the disease most were the ones that obeyed the most rules and vice versa!

We can only live in hope.

275335 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Old Bill, 1, #372 of 2225 🔗

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if you could prove that the people that got the disease most were the ones that obeyed the most rules and vice versa!

Could be done with a survey if people were honest. Would be very interesting. Must be some academics prepared to do that and get a bit of funding?

275033 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to George Morris, 2, #373 of 2225 🔗

Further confirmation that lockdown makes no difference.
We had 3 months lockdown, 3 months lockdown lite, a while in tier 1, a month of pretend lockdown 2.
Not much of a first wave and nothing unusual in second piddle.

275291 ▶▶ shorthand, replying to George Morris, 3, #374 of 2225 🔗

I had a couple of friends up a few weekends back, filthy Southern Tier 3 disease mongers to a man. After they finished oohing and aaahing at all the bright lights of open bars and shops and touching everything, the law of ‘the science’ would certainly suggest that there be a huge spike in Moray and that as they stayed in my house, I should be dead already. But, here we are…

274974 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #375 of 2225 🔗

I read recently, that our own politicians were planning the propaganda campaign in January therefore, it seems to be nothing to do with a virus and still thinking its about a virus is muddying the waters of the real reason.

275022 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #376 of 2225 🔗

It’s an interesting point. Any large organisation (or Govt) should be constantly looking ahead to potential threats and opportunities and mapping out possible responses and laying the groundwork long before the proverbial hits the fan. I actually wouldn’t find this suspicious if I thought our Government were highly competent, experienced and far-sighted- ready for anything etc. I don’t think that, so I agree that this whiffs a bit.

274988 howard steen, replying to howard steen, 16, #377 of 2225 🔗

BREAKING NEWS: Vorsprung durch Technik’ PCR test protocol from Prof. Christian Drosten cannot detect SARS-CoV-2 and is fatally flawed: Team of 20 international scientists incl. M.Yeadon have submitted a peer review requesting retraction of this protocol promoted by the WHO. Read full report here: https://cormandrostenreview.com/

275002 ▶▶ Ben, replying to howard steen, 4, #378 of 2225 🔗

Will Pharma, Gates, the WEF and tech companies retreat or will it flip into fascism?

275003 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to howard steen, 3, #379 of 2225 🔗

Any idea how long it takes for such analysis to be considered and a decision reached?

275038 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #380 of 2225 🔗

Based on Drosten’s paper, should only take a day or 2…

275179 ▶▶▶ howard steen, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #381 of 2225 🔗

Well, Eurosurveillance reached a decision to publish the original report in 24 hours so I think the same timing for a retraction should be possible, don’t you?

275015 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to howard steen, 6, #382 of 2225 🔗

Howard,hope you don’t mind publishing a copy of your tweet and Kevin McKernan’s and a the slide

“BREAKING NEWS: ‘Made in Germany’ PCR test from Prof. C. Drosten is found to contain 10 major flaws rendering the test useless! Scandal exposed in peer review from a group of international scientists”
https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1333314114932920320 “It can detect the virus but isn’t C19 specific. The exact FP and FN rates are an unknown and the protocol is a ‘choose your own adventure novel’ as opposed to an SOP. Questionable peer review and the given COIs requires a bit more sunshine.
This is in development and can’t judge the intricacies. But according to attached slide this is the part of virus not detected by Drosten’s PCR test. Kevin McKernan’s judgement above seems a heavy weight opinion from a world expert in PCR. Interesting to see what happens.

275047 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to swedenborg, #383 of 2225 🔗

Thank you.

275058 ▶▶▶ howard steen, replying to swedenborg, #384 of 2225 🔗

Thanks very much. I first replied to you on my wife’s computer so not sure if you received that message!

275294 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to howard steen, 3, #385 of 2225 🔗

Another interesting parts in the report

“The sequences on which their PCR method is based are in silico (theoretical) sequences, supplied by a laboratory in China”


“SARS-CoV-2 is based on in silico (theoretical) sequences, supplied by a lab in China, because at the time neither control material of infectious (“live”) or inactivated SARS-CoV-2 nor isolated genomic RNA of the virus was available to the authors.”

 It is difficult to imagine now the haste the Drosten paper went through. Submitted 21st Jan and approved a few days later and unclear if it was a peer review by Eurosurveillance. see below Description of timeline and then current knowledge of spread.

275016 Mark T, replying to Mark T, 19, #386 of 2225 🔗

Firstly, whoever this is, thank you and well done:
My part of the Civil Service all received a £100 bonus for adjusting well to working from home. This is possibly one of the most tone-deaf actions I have ever seen, given the state of the nation’s finances and the prospects of those working in the private sector – not to mention a complete waste of taxpayers’ money as there was not a single group of people who had easier during the lockdown. I donate it to a worthier cause.

Can anyone supply any information about this bonus and if other public officials have received taxpayer money for the same / similar reasons…? If the government is taking taxpayer money and giving it to public sector workers in this fashion, it should be made public knowledge.

275037 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Mark T, 1, #387 of 2225 🔗

Not something I’ve heard of. Sounds like a rather foolish local decision. These things are delegated to a relatively low level.

275043 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #388 of 2225 🔗

Bribe pure and simple, they need their people to stay happy with lockdown.

Congratulations to Toby’s whistleblower.

275054 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark T, 3, #389 of 2225 🔗

Well as a civil servant and if this is true I will be refusing mine or donating it to Ivor Cummins

275218 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Mark T, 2, #390 of 2225 🔗

I heard something to the effect that MPs (in additional to regular expenses) got a whopping bonus of several £k in March-April to “facilitate” remote working. Whether this is true, and how this is different from their previous regular way of remote working, no idea.

275547 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #391 of 2225 🔗

They were able to spend up to a certain amount on facilities for their office staff. The amount was a cap. All expenditure had to be evidenced by receipts. They were not just given a sum of money. Government finance at a micro level doesn’t work like that.

275024 M Hopkirk, replying to M Hopkirk, 12, #392 of 2225 🔗

Wrote to my MP again prompted by Peter Hitchens.

I have written to you before expressing my disgust at you and the conservative government turning the UK into a totalitarian state.

There are too many examples to list here. A few days ago an elderly lady peacefully protesting was spread eagled by the police a few days ago using your legislation.

I cannot believe that you continue to vote for such outrageous practices and restrictions because of a virus that has more than a 99.9% survival rate.
I could have some symphathy if it was an Ebola epidemic.

Excess deaths appear to be no more than an average year. PCR positive tests without symptoms are mostly false and hospitals are no busier than a typical winter with bad flu season. We have had many in my lifetime.
Lock-downs will prove in the future to have been futile.

Why are you intent on ruining our economy and causing many more long term deaths this time around. You have had plenty of time to fortify the NHS if that’s what you were concerned about.

You are scared stiff of so called Covid deaths. Perhaps its because these deaths are announced with great fanfare to the public every week. The many more deaths that will happen in the long term will happen much more quietly. You seem less bothered by these. You will also carry on getting paid out of the public purse whist thousands and thousands are losing their jobs.

You are ruining the economy, damaging education, demolishing personal liberty and the right to protest, ruining young peoples prospects and saddling the young with a lifetime of debt. The list goes on and on.

I do not want a reply . It was a laughable reply from you last time. I will never vote for you again. I know many people I know feel the same.

Fortunately there are now quite a few very respected MP’s that have the bottle, courage and foresight to see what is actually happening and are voting against this media and public health driven hysteria. I have a great deal of respect for them and they would be my choice in a real crisis.

It is a shame you are not one of them.

275205 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to M Hopkirk, #393 of 2225 🔗

Nicely done.

275281 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to M Hopkirk, #394 of 2225 🔗

Oooh can I knick this?

276486 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to M Hopkirk, 2, #395 of 2225 🔗

Wonderful letter. Wrote to my MP, useless twat, and got a mouthful of useless statistics. I live in one of the lowest areas in the UK, and have gone from mere house arrest to normal prison (tier 1 to 2). Only 16 deaths in all, infection rate as low as Cornwall. He seemed to think he’d done well to argue for that and we were lucky not to be in Tier 3. No point in quoting figures, examples, etc.

275030 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 4, #396 of 2225 🔗

Sturgeon car crash interview with Marr. A joy to watch:


275410 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Sarigan, 1, #397 of 2225 🔗

She seems to be growing a moustache.

275736 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Simon Dutton, #398 of 2225 🔗

She also seems to be freezing her already cold tits off.

275039 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #399 of 2225 🔗

On Talk Radio it was stated that the reason there are fewer “cases” in Norway is that anybody who gets tested has a verification test to confirm whether the result is correct or not.

275061 ▶▶ Will, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #400 of 2225 🔗

Which should be the situation everywhere if governments and their corrupt scientists were honest.

275126 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #401 of 2225 🔗

And this is the key point, nobody should be classed as a case until a 2nd confirmatory test or an actual clinical evaluation.

275152 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #402 of 2225 🔗

And no-one should be tested unless it’s part of a medical diagnosis or clinical evaluation.

275201 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Smelly Melly, #403 of 2225 🔗

I believe they are trying to do this in the US, certainly in some parts. AFAIK this is what they did in the NBA basketball so they could finish the season, albeit in ‘group bubbles’ form; any +ve test required confirmation. No problems reported at all.

275207 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Smelly Melly, #404 of 2225 🔗

In Australia they don’t test asymptomatics. China either. Finland have a similar approach.

275045 yohodi, 2, #405 of 2225 🔗

The problem lays with the control freak Kleptocracy and the Emergency powers/Coronnavirus Act they have bestowed upon themselves, where they can make regulations without an act of Parliarment (deliberate spelling). Basically take actions that they would not normally be able to take. Introducing measures that affect fundamental rights and liberties. In short they can do what they want.

275050 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #406 of 2225 🔗

Good girl! Sound on for this one, don’t know if she’s one of ours or not, but good stuff. #MondayMorningLaugh


275068 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #407 of 2225 🔗

Fantastic stuff!

275084 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #408 of 2225 🔗

Fat fucking goons can’t even run, must be the masks and lack of oxygen.

Maybe that is the answer, a jogging protest.

275119 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #409 of 2225 🔗

Bloody brilliant

You can’t catch me I’m the gingerbread man…

275052 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #410 of 2225 🔗

God, they’re getting desperate. Just had a newsflash pop up – Dilyn the dog caught COVID!

275079 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to kh1485, #411 of 2225 🔗

I thought his name was Wilfred?

275127 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to FenTyger, 1, #412 of 2225 🔗

I thought it was Boris

275216 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 3, #413 of 2225 🔗

He felt very RUFFFFF

275060 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #414 of 2225 🔗

This mask study from CDC is almost laughable. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm?s_cid=mm6947e2_w
They compared mask mandated counties in Kansas with non-mask mandated counties during June1- Aug 23.


6/ Then I did a clean comparison: June vs Aug, new cases/capita just like the study… What did I find? No significant difference between the mask counties & the no mask counties. Mask mandate counties +210% Non mask mandate counties +195% See below

7/ It doesn’t end there. The study focused on rates of change, not absolute cases. Actual daily cases per capita in the mask counties were consistently higher during this period. Thus, total cases per capita in the mask mandate counties actually grew faster.

CDC worldfamous has lost the plot about masks.Now it is religion/politics and not science

275076 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to swedenborg, 1, #415 of 2225 🔗

This needs to be on tomorrow’s update as it will be thrown at us

275085 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to swedenborg, #416 of 2225 🔗

Am I understanding that graph correctly? That where masks were not mandatory in Kansas the virus was less contagious?

But if I were an advocate of mask wearing, which I’m not, I’d say there were other factors that were responsible for the difference. Such as density of population.

275063 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #417 of 2225 🔗

Update from Simon Dolan:


Judgement in our Court of Appeal case will be given tomorrow at 2pm

275115 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nick Rose, #418 of 2225 🔗

At last

275067 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #419 of 2225 🔗

It was said on Radio 4 this morning that it wasn’t known to begin with that asymptomatic people could spread the virus.

How was this discovered? Has research been done on this? Controlled experiments etc.?

Or is it based on a few case histories which have led people to believe a patient could only have acquired the virus by being in contact with someone who was asymptomatic?

275078 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #420 of 2225 🔗

CCP said so.

275093 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #421 of 2225 🔗

Who or what is CCP? (With another ‘C’ I’d recognise it as being the Soviet Union – but that’s gone anyway.)

275102 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ned of the Hills, #422 of 2225 🔗

Chinese Communist Party. Although the latest paper released from China says no asymptomatic spread. Do we believe anything they tell us?

275170 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Charlie Blue, #423 of 2225 🔗

Thank you – so I was sort of in the right area.

275106 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #424 of 2225 🔗


Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible

~ Dr Michael Yeadon; former Vice President Pfizer ~

The authorities use this so-called asymptomatic transfer of infection to scare people and make them wear masks. Obviously our lovely radio stations and other media love to continue pushing this lie

275387 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Victoria, #425 of 2225 🔗

I’m not on Twitter so I can’t fully see what Dr. Yeadon has said on that service beyond:-

“21 Nov 2020 — This is great. The first time the notion of “asymptomatic transmission” was mentioned, I smelled a rat. It’s biologically implausible. Not saying it’s …”

I would appreciate it if someone could complete the statement.

275596 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ned of the Hills, #426 of 2225 🔗

“…never happened once, but as an important contribution to transmission? No. To be a source, you need lots of virus in your airway. But once that happens you will be symptomatic, either because the virus is injuring your lung lining (epithelium) or because you’re fighting it off (or both). You can’t be both a virulent source AND not have symptoms. ”

[Mike Yeadon]

275175 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #427 of 2225 🔗

Forever, it’s been “coughs and sneezes spread diseases”. So much of history is being rewritten this year.

275188 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #428 of 2225 🔗

The narrative shifted at some point to pre-symptomatic. So they wanted you to isolate given the fact symptoms didn’t typically appear for a few days.

It’s all, at best, an err on the side of caution, precautionary principle, fetish

275300 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #429 of 2225 🔗

Fauci and the WHO are both on record as saying asymptomatic transmission is very rare and not a main driver of the ‘pandemic’.Although they have both recanted

275069 stefarm, 11, #430 of 2225 🔗

Just watched the Ivor Cummins & Dr Kendrick discussion.

Nothing we don’t already know but if anybody with an ounce of sense watches this and cannot see what a complete scam it is and then still believe the narrative is beyond me there is no hope.

275073 Jakehadlee, replying to Jakehadlee, 37, #431 of 2225 🔗

When this shit show is over and the world reacts by turning sharply away from the politics that created it, we need a Great Reset of our own.

And that means purging institutions like academia, the police and the civil service of the cancel culture left-wing fascism that enabled this. It means restraining the power of social media platforms by forcing the break up of the larger ones and enforcing laws around freedom of speech.

This is a battle between freedom and tyranny- pure and simple. And when we win, we need to crush the tyrants and flush them out of the system once and for all – and enact laws that disallow this crap to happened again. This should be the beginning of the end for the social forces that created this.

275094 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jakehadlee, 6, #432 of 2225 🔗

Great post.

Start by standing in local elections in May 2021 either as an independent or for one of the new political parties (I am considering The Reclaim party that focus on freedom of speech – that is a very good building block). Target all the seats currently filled by conservatives and labour (by failing to oppose this Government they collaborated).

Note: The conservatives have already advertised for candidates to stand in the local elections next year.

Also join local parish councils etc

275124 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Victoria, #433 of 2225 🔗

You generally have to be elected to parish councils.

275194 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #434 of 2225 🔗

so get elected

275167 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Victoria, 3, #435 of 2225 🔗

Indeed. I’d advocate standing ostensibly left wing independents in Labour seats and ostensibly right in Tory. I even think there’s scope for creating a movement of independents, across a broad political spectrum, who come together as a group – for media, fundraising, PR, purposes – but represent not a political doctrine but simply a universal aim to replace the Party system of government with genuine choice at a representative level.

If you could get even 50 independent MPs working together on political reform it could be done. The left independents and right independents would oppose each other on many issues; but the overall aim of the movement would be to destroy first past the post party system and they would come together on this.

A genuine, a-political, tolerant and collaborative movement to overturn the system that allowed the destruction of our civil liberties. That is something I could get behind.

275138 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #436 of 2225 🔗

If I had my way, the national government would be disbanded and replaced with small regional governments, à la Switzerland.

I would also make voting mandatory for both citizens and political representatives: no more opting out of the political system or hiding behind abstentions.

275171 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mabel Cow, #437 of 2225 🔗

Meh I dunno about making voting mandatory i’d rather attach an IQ test to voting.

275213 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #438 of 2225 🔗

Not sure about mandatory voting. I think refusal to vote is an important option to have. Disengagement from politics is a good measure of the failure of a system. Plus, I’m not a fan of mandatory anything!

275384 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jakehadlee, 4, #439 of 2225 🔗

I’m happy for voting not be mandatory, provided that politicians don’t have control over anything that matters. But as soon as we hand them the keys to our lives, it seems rather silly to let the general public shrug and not bother voting.

As for the point about failure to vote being a indication of the failure of the system, what good does that do? It’s hard to claim that you are disengaged when the government ruins the economy you live in and prevents you from hugging your friends. It would be much better to have an explicit option on every ballot paper that says “I reject this system”. That way, people can indicate their displeasure in a documented way, and that displeasure could then officially trigger a review of the system.

That said, the voting issue is something of a side issue to me. I’m a minarchist and would prefer to see government reduced to the absolute bare minimum. In that situation, voting is just about deciding which minor functionaries you want in your local area, not which ideology the entire country should subscribe to. By reducing the scope of government to essentially collecting the rubbish and running the courts, the damage they can do it somewhat curtailed.

276525 ▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Jakehadlee, #440 of 2225 🔗

In Belgium we have mandatory voting, and it is an absolute cr*p system. True, that is mainly because any invalid votes (eg voting for two different parties, or otherwise invalidating your ballot by drawing a pair of tits on it or the like) automatically go to the majority . Idem for people who fail to show up: it’s technically illegal (though prosecution/fines have been extremely rare in the last decades), but your vote still goes to the majority. The main result in all the past elections has been big wins for the extremist/right wing separatists (the real ones, not the populists or non-PC candidates who pass for ‘right-wing extremists’ these days), as people grow increasingly disgusted with politics, get annoyed at having to vote in the absence of any decent alternative, and then just express their discontent by invalidating the ballot or by voting for the parties most demonized by the traditional parties (who are barred from power anyway, regardless of the result). It’s extremely frustrating, as the only viable option you have if you want to lodge a protest vote is to vote for one of the minor and irrelevant single-issue parties, as that is the only way to avoid supporting the ruling political system. The main result here has always been a huge extra boost for the majority parties. If you could vote AGAINST someone or a party I might be in favour, but mandatory voting as we have it now is just an insidious scam. And why on Earth should people who don’t give a hoot and know jack all about politics have to go and vote, anyway?

275233 ▶▶ James, replying to Jakehadlee, 3, #441 of 2225 🔗

Thank you for articulating this thought. I entirely agree with you. It has occurred to me that democracy as we understand it is no longer fit for purpose. The vast and rapid information flows that we are having to cope with are rendering our traditional parliamentary democracies obsolete. We need new models of social organisation that are and are seen to be truly democratic. The current crisis is exposing levels of corruption and incompetence that have been obscured for decades.

275075 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 2, #442 of 2225 🔗

Great article by Mike Yeadon. However, how does he explain falling case numbers despite stable testing levels?

275081 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Adamb, 2, #443 of 2225 🔗

I’m assuming because the total of false positives will be affected by the number of actual positives. Both from cross contamination and just from actual positives being added to the number.

Therefore, as actual positives fall due to her immunity, the total number of actual and false positives should fall.

That’s my uneducated guess anyway!

275089 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Jakehadlee, 1, #444 of 2225 🔗

Yep that seems logical, thanks.

275090 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #445 of 2225 🔗

Vive la Belle France


The fightback started in France.

275103 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nick Rose, #446 of 2225 🔗

That was a Gilet Jaune protest last year

275092 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 14, #447 of 2225 🔗

Just watching TalkRadio with Mike. The guy for independent businesses in Kent is on. he’s saying some good stuff yet he talks about how even if people at risk shield, the way forward is to wear masks and distance to “get the economy moving”.

Maskism is the new PC. The economy did not recover as it should in summer precisely because of stupid mask policies and track and trace.

When will the penny drop that the way you get back to the previous economic levels is to do what you did previously.

275095 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 3, #449 of 2225 🔗


Virus-vectored and genetically engineered vaccines could undergo recombination or hybridisation with unpredictable outcomes ….Previous attempts to develop coronavirus and other vaccines e.g., RSV and dengue, have been hampered by the problem of ‘antibody dependent enhanced immunity’(ADEI), which has led to severe illness and deaths in the animals and human subjects involved in the trials. This phenomenon only becomes apparent after vaccination, when the subject is exposed to wild virus at some point in the future. Worryingly, the Covid Vaccine trials have not been conducted in a way to exclude the possibility of this serious sequalae occurring months or years after vaccination.” (“Open Letter From: UK Medical Freedom Alliance To: The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization… for COVID-19 in the UK.”)

Fascination article on vaccines. The end of this paragraph suggests that the vaccine could weaken your immune system to viruses at a later date. That wasn’t even on my radar of risks.

275125 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHuntz, 6, #450 of 2225 🔗

The nightmare scenario is vaccine injuries like this are spun as Covid-21, and the whole cycle starts again. Not at all beyond the realm of possibilities.

275111 PastImperfect, 2, #451 of 2225 🔗

Starmer does not have allegiance to democracy. He belongs to the Trilateral Commission.

Trilateral Commission (Louize Small, The Light)
‘The Crisis of Democracy’ states the need to ‘turn people back to passivity and obedience so they don’t put too many constraints on State Power’.

275113 Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, -18, #452 of 2225 🔗

Dr Yeadon writes

But due to extraordinary errors in modelling created by unaccountable academics at Imperial College, the country was told to expect over a half a million deaths.

This is not correct. If he is referring to the well-known “ Report 9 ” then the names of the authors were clearly given and, as authors of an academic preprint, are accountable to their peers in the usual way. If he is referring to the fact that this figure had been adopted by SAGE at its 11th meeting on 27 February as a Reasonable Worst Case which is explicitly not a prediction, then accountability lies with SAGE which adopted it as a collective decision. If the country was told to prepare for it as a prediction, then the fault lies with the people who misunderstood the nature of a RWC, not with those who provided it.

However, the important point is that the estimate, as an RWC, was neither dependent on the modelling of the group at Imperial College, whether or not that modelling contained “extraordinary errors”, nor was it incorrect. The figure of half a million deaths in the “do-nothing” scenario was indeed the best estimate based on the data available at the time, and does not rely on the Imperial group’s model: indeed, a very much simpler model which I wrote for myself in a couple of hours produces a similar result. The result was the correct result from the data as assessed at that time.

As it happens, of course, the “do-nothing” scenario was very far from the strategy adopted, and the number of deaths which occurred was very much less. Which is, in itself, a Good Thing, and says nothing about the correctness of the estimate for a very different situation.

Dr Yeadon disagrees with one of the key parameters that went into that estimate, namely the level of pre-existing immunity. In my view, the conservative estimate of little-to-no pre-existing immunity was the correct assumption to make at the time, based on very limited knowledge about the virus at that stage. He makes two assertions: (1) that the level of pre-existing immunity is high, perhaps 50% and (2) that this, rather than its opposite, should have been the assumption made in the RWC estimate. Assertion (1) is a scientific question, capable of being determined by observation and experiment — something which was not available in early February. Assertion (2) is hard to sustain: at the very best, it is Dr Yeadon setting his opinion against those of others who disagreed with him, of whom I am one.

275134 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Richard Pinch, 16, #453 of 2225 🔗

Do they risk firing or even jailing if they say their projections apply to real world policy? Because that’s what happens to engineering fields if you don’t validate and verify what you say? Luckily there are lots of procedures and checks and balances to minimise this, as no system is ever going to catch everything.

I believe that’s what he means by being accountable.

275190 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to mhcp, 1, #454 of 2225 🔗

Advisers and engineers are not in the same situation. An engineer in charge of a project is explicitly claiming to have the expertise to design and build something, adequate to take responsibility, and is taking the responsibility for doing so. An academic modelling something is making a statement, which we may hope is informed, expert and even correct, about the policy in a real-world situation. They are not determining that policy.

275221 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #455 of 2225 🔗

He has a duty to clearly label his scenarion properly. There was nothing ‘reasonable’ about it.

275273 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to peyrole, -2, #456 of 2225 🔗

The phrase “Reasonable Worst Case” was used by SAGE 11 in the minutes I linked to earlier. It is a recognised term in government planning with a clear and useful meaning.

275355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, #457 of 2225 🔗

The phrase was missused. There was nothing remotely ‘reasonable’ about it. And knowing exactly how a scenario labelled like that will be used in the dogmatic way that is the precautionary principle, it was criminal. SAGE is responsible for thousands of deaths and miliions of lives ruined by the economic consequences of that mislabelling.
You should be ashamed of yourself having the nerve to come on here or anywhere else trying to support that decision.

275385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to peyrole, -1, #458 of 2225 🔗

Well, that’s your opinion. I disagree. So where does that leave us? I make no apology for stating what I believe to be true and relevant, and I presume you would say the same.

As to whether SAGE is “ responsible for thousands of deaths and miliions of lives ruined”: advisers advise, ministers decide.

275399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Richard Pinch, #459 of 2225 🔗

all i can say is that it is a pity such discussions are not taking place within and between SAGE, Government and other health specialists.
this is the problem . any divergence from the accepted narrative is censored which means it is not being questioned or discussed

275407 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #460 of 2225 🔗

If they want to escape the blame they should stick to advising, and cut out the TV personality bit. But they are drunk on their own importance, their day in the sun.

275234 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #461 of 2225 🔗

Given Ferguson’s appalling record he should have been laughed out of the room, not listened to at such length that he managed to infect everyone present with the virus.

275324 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Will, -2, #462 of 2225 🔗

At the risk of tiring my more attentive readers, let me re-iterate two points. The RWC did not depend on Ferguson’s model; and Ferguson’s track record has been systematically misrepresented.

275364 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, #463 of 2225 🔗

no, apparently even worse it depended on someone’s fag packet, or perhaps postage stamp would be more accurate. And yes I for one am tired of you!

275381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to peyrole, #464 of 2225 🔗

“fag packet”: I doubt it. I showed how a “back of an envelope” calculation could be used to give a similar figure. If you are tired of reading what is written by myself, or any other contributor for that matter, there’s a simple procedure — the name or pseudonym of the contributor is given in bold green print at the top of each comment: you may find it helpful in avoiding comments by people you do not wish to read.

276711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Richard Pinch, #465 of 2225 🔗

Are you Ferguson’s latest polyamorous lover?

276778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Borisbullshit, #466 of 2225 🔗

I have never met Prof. Ferguson, and have no particular connexion with him or his research group.

275344 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, #467 of 2225 🔗

… and if the exercise is as relevant to the real world as the modeler just sitting in a hermetically sealed room playing with him/herself – i.e it’s no more than a form of computer gaming???

275395 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, #468 of 2225 🔗

True of course. But there’s a range between having no connexion with reality, and taking responsibility for controlling it.

275390 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #469 of 2225 🔗

If the advice is used for real world policy then it is subject to the same safety considerations for other fields including food and water safety. There’s no two tier system when it comes to people’s lives.

The issue it seems is “Do the modellers know this? Have they been appraised of it?”

A lot of them from ICL seem to like going on TV and pontificating what people should do which sounds a lot like trying to directly influence real world policy.

Saying that they are not determining policy implies that there is a stage where the academic modelling is independently scrutinised to see if it is fit for use in the real world. That is meets the same safety standards as in other fields.

Do you know if this stage is being done? Is there a Validation and Verification part to SAGE?

I don’t see it. It looks very much like from the Mouth of God To Thy Lips. So I think that’s why Mike Yeadon is concerned. If you don’t have that stage, the onus is then on those who provide the information to do it.

275404 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to mhcp, 2, #470 of 2225 🔗

Is there a Validation and Verification part to SAGE?

That’s a good question, and I think does point up a weakness in our policy-making. There should be a challenge coming back from policy makers and decision makers, but this isn’t prioritised by our political system. As to scientific challenge: this is supposed to be internalised in SAGE and its working groups such as SPI-M: I’m not in a position to say whether that works well or not. Having a “Red Team” would be an interesting half-way, and I’d like to see that tried. I’m not sure that external initiatives such as SET-C and RAMP saw that as their remit.

275424 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to mhcp, #471 of 2225 🔗

If the advice is used for real world policy then it is subject to the same safety considerations for other fields including food and water safety. There’s no two tier system when it comes to people’s lives.

You can’t put more weight on advice, whether it be based on modelling or any other mode, than it can bear. But I think you’re conflating two sorts of safety: one in the giving of advice, and the other in the advice itself. If you’re saying to the advisor, do nothing unless you’re sure it’s not harmful, then no advice will ever be given (or if it is, it will be given precisely by those people who are more sure than they ought to be!). Indeed, in real-world situations, advice is usually about finding the least harmful of options all of which involve some harm, or risk of harm, to somebody. If you’re saying that advice should always include the assessment of the do-nothing option, well, that’s a standard operating principle, and this whole discussion is about how the advice for the do-nothing option was formulated, used and publicised.

275139 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Richard Pinch, 15, #472 of 2225 🔗

That would all be easier to believe were it not for the fact that those behind the failed model were also behind a number of similar models for bird flu, CJD etc – which were, if anything, even more of a failure with more data available.

So we can believe that they did the best they could with the data available, or we can see a recurring pattern of remarkably consistent failure in modelling from the same people.

I’m not an epidemiologist, not even close. But I do have a background in research and an interest in this topic from my time as a journalist. I looked at the data coming out of China early in the outbreak and drew my own conclusions on how the outbreak would impact mortality: it is extremely concerning to me that a rank amateur like me was much closer to what happened than the government’s modelling. It was clear from the start that the illness only really affected people who were old and sick. The earliest data showed the vast majority of deaths occurred in people who two or more major co-morbidities.

There is no way to dress up Imperial’s modelling and advice as anything other than an abject, possibly criminal, failure that is consistent with their track record of appalling failure in public health modelling.

275174 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Jakehadlee, -1, #473 of 2225 🔗

I don’t think you quite appreciated the point that the estimate in question is not dependent on any model, or indeed really any model at all. The question that the RWC is designed to address in planning is, “Can you cope with the consequences of this scenario”, and the answer, in the unmitigated scenario, is a clear “No”. The precise numbers, be they 400,000 or 510,000 or 600,000 are not really the point. The point is the single word “No”.

Here’s a back of an envelope calculation that gives a similar answer: R about 3 means herd immunity threshold about 66%. Zero pre-existing immunity means all 66% come from infections, so about 50 million cases (disease doesn’t stop dead at the epidemic threshold). IFR about 1% means 500,000 deaths. The three key parameters are underlined. Those are what the best available data gave in early February, and more importantly shows that small variations in the parameters lead to similar answers.

In passing, the trope that the model was used, and was a failure in all the cases you mention is not correct, although it is assiduously promoted here and elsewhere. The F&M modelling fed into disastrous decisions, I’m prepared to say. The vCJD model produced answers that are entirely consistent with what happened, if you read the paper rather than the exaggerated media presentation. The avian flu figure was an off-the-cuff response to a journalist’s question about a purely hypothetical scenario. And so on.

275199 ▶▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #474 of 2225 🔗

Rather like the modelling itself, I think you are spinning a tale based on technicalities. I don’t doubt what you are saying, but it is clear that the government themselves believed that 500,000 people would – not might, not could, would – die without lockdown.

Now who made them believe that and why, I think needs to be uncovered. But whether through poor/dishonest modelling, poor/dishonest communication or straight up corruption – there was a systemic and absolute failure from Imperial that has had appalling consequences for all of us.

275265 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Jakehadlee, -1, #475 of 2225 🔗

spinning a tale based on technicalities

I’m discussing the technicalities, of course, which seems reasonable as they were part of Dr Yeadon’s presentation. “Spinning a tale” sounds like an imputation of intellectual dishonesty, which I reject.

275396 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #476 of 2225 🔗

You continue to, using your words, exhibit intellectual dishonesty. your whole theses is dependent on two assertions;
Firstly that the information that Yeadon quotes was not available to SAGE.
Secondly that the scenario by Imperial was ‘reasonable’.
I dismiss the second assertion as its clearly nonsense, however you try hard to dress it up.
The first assumption might have some truth if the people constituting SAGE did not have the experience or knowledge that many epidimiologists and virologists have. I think SAGE were completely top heavy in mathematicians and modellers and did not have the depth or spread of knowledge. Whitty and Vallance seem most to blame for this as they seem to be recruiters.
However it exhibits considerable intellectual arrogance, shared by yourself it seems, not to realise this, and to ask for extra input when faced by decisions of such importance. The same accusation can be levelled at the politicians.
And blanketing all of this is the over-reaching precautionary principle which seems to stop people thinking rationally.

275462 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #477 of 2225 🔗

I’m not sure how much dishonesty was involved. Some I suspect – and also that the victims of that dishonesty include the modellers themselves. I think they spent so much of their own self-capital on the model being right that their egos could not countenance it being wrong.

So even though any reasonable person, looking at the data on deaths coming from China, would immediately see a projected 500,000 deaths as a ridiculous figure and therefore try to re-evaluate why the model was coming up with such an anomaly, the scientists at Imperial had invested so much of their reputation and self-worth in being right that they found it easier to see the real world as the error and the model as the truth.

Dishonest or ego – there is no way to dress this that doesn’t make them an embarrassing and dangerous failure, or excuse them from what should – and hopefully will happen: the evisceration of their professional reputations and the end of their careers.

275484 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to jakehadlee, #478 of 2225 🔗

As I’ve pointed out, the model has little to do with the precise numerical figure of 510,000 which can be replicated using just three things. The value of that calculation in that it shows you what are the things you need to know — and indeed, that’s an important outcome of the modelling process, before you even get to running the model.

275211 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #479 of 2225 🔗

Anyone can invent numbers similar to your back of an envelope numbers. The data from South Korea in January did not support your ‘worse case’ numbers or anything like it.
In any case it was very well known that cross immunity can and does happen, ie the original SARS infection. And it was always well known that the 4 coronoavirus helping to make up the common cold would very likely provide the same sort of cross immunity.
In essence your argument that yoiur numbers constitute ‘reasonable’ is totally incorrect. Its fine as a ‘worse case’ in a range of scenarios but should be labelled as such in arange of say 5/6 scenarios.
I am not surprised you and others support these WCs as a basis for planning policy, its exactly the same as society faces with ‘climate change’ scenarios and people continually using the +4C by the end of the century, the one that includes an estimate of coal use as 10 times current use. GIGO.

275261 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to peyrole, -2, #480 of 2225 🔗

Anyone can invent numbers

I do not think that is what SAGE did. As I understand it, they were faced with limited and inconsistent data, and made a decision based on what was in front of them. If you have evidence to the contrary, by all means present it.

‘climate change’

Nothing to do with this discussion.

275283 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #481 of 2225 🔗

Computer modelling.crap in crap out.Fergusons model was based on a flawed IFR which was based on 6 flights out of China.He assumed no pre immunity and it was based on a 13 year old model that was developed for a flu outbreak.

275319 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -2, #482 of 2225 🔗

Computer modelling.crap in crap out.

Up to a point. A useful model allows to to determine the extent to which the outputs depend on the exactness of the inputs, and, in some but not all cases, give an estimated range for the outputs corresponding to the uncertainties in the inputs.

developed for a flu outbreak

While I haven’t studied Ferguson’s model in detail, the point about epidemic modelling is that it models, well, epidemics. Covid and flu are not so different that different principles apply to their models. The devil is in the detail. One criticism of Ferguson’s model might be that it is too detailed …

275224 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard Pinch, 6, #483 of 2225 🔗

The significance of the modelling imo, politically, was the undue credence it provided for the worst case hypotheticals you describe.

The issue with “reasonable worst case” here is first, whether it is really meaningfully “reasonable”, given it requires multiple rather unlikely assumptions to come true – that the ifr would not decline significantly from early estimates, that the disease was unlike other coronaviruses in circulation, that voluntary and spontaneous changes in behaviour would not kick in to mitigate any real problem.

Second, the problem is that even that [un]reasonable worst case scenario was not some kind of end of civilisation apocalypse. Given a determination to run on an emergency footing, there’s no reason we could not have ridden out half a million deaths, even if there were some more due to overloading of hospitals (which occurred anyway as a matter of panic policy response).

Yes, some people would have died. Perhaps our loss of population would have doubled for the year, from about 1% to about 2%. But this was never a disease that attacked the people who run the basic services unduly. It was never gong to disrupt supply chains or production, unless we allowed, nay encourage it to, as we foolishly have done.

It’s all about undue fear and excess caution, replacing “keep calm and carry on”, as the basic operating principle for society and for governance.

275250 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Mark, #484 of 2225 🔗

These are all good points, and deserve discussion. The answer to the question of whether the NHS, and civil society generally, could cope with ten times the level of cases and deaths that we had in spring is not to be found in this computation, of course!

275338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #485 of 2225 🔗

Obviously “could cope with” needs to be interpreted carefully, in the context of a worst case disaster. The point is it would not be an apocalyptic disaster, just a disaster.

But nobody honest could deny that the economic, cultural and social; effects of the policies adopted constitute a “disaster” as well. Perhaps less intense, but much longer lasting and probably much more costly.

We’ve basically exchanged the risk of a disaster for the certainty of one.

275359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Mark, -2, #486 of 2225 🔗

I agree that these are discussions that deserve to be held. My overarching point is that these are discussions to be held on the basis of how policy actually was, or should have been, made, not on the basis of the incorrect and frankly rather reckless assertions of Dr Yeadon which I quoted and which were the subject of my initial comments.

275740 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mark, 1, #487 of 2225 🔗

Agree with you completely. Even with WCS not apocalyptic. The problem with all the discussion in this thread is the notion that we somehow can mitigate this. The mathematical modellers have no idea how bad the evidence is for mitigation and it could certainly not be quantified. The evidence for SD is extremely weak and even school closures are not certain. How on earth can you quantify the effect of SD? Is 2 m distance 25% better than 1,5m? Is only 5 people gathering 100% better than 50? The evidence for SD is so weak that to quantify it (and use in modelling) is impossible. This is a vicious circle. The epidemiologist can only guestimate the effect and feed the mathematicians this, and who will churn out different scenarios. Then letting incompetent politicians decide is bound to end in a catastrophically results.

275350 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #488 of 2225 🔗

SAGE presented modelling scenarios that – bar one – were massively out of line with actuality.

I don’t recall any outcry from the theoretical modelling world that the data was being abuse.

275362 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, -2, #489 of 2225 🔗

Really? Which SAGE meetings or papers are you referring to?

275347 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jakehadlee, #490 of 2225 🔗

it is extremely concerning to me that a rank amateur like me was much closer to what happened than the government’s modelling.”

… and I guess that sums up the scepticism of the many who actually looked at the data consistently rather than played games.

275371 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, -1, #491 of 2225 🔗

Er, the point about the RWC estimate is that it was for the counter-factual scenario of nothing at all being done. Of course the outcome, for a radically different scenario, was different.

As to the wisdom of the rank amateur, there is a selection bias here. The rank amateurs whose predictions did not come true are hardly likely to be commenting here. It’s about as useful as suggesting that a rank amateur can predict lottery numbers.

275145 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Richard Pinch, 6, #492 of 2225 🔗

Bet your a Holocaust denier in your spare time…

275193 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Bruce Reynolds, -3, #493 of 2225 🔗


275196 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #494 of 2225 🔗

I don’t think there is any need for such a comment. Richard Pinch is perfectly entitled to post here and be disagreed with without recourse to offensiveness.

275227 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Will, -1, #495 of 2225 🔗


275676 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 1, #496 of 2225 🔗

Yes, I agree with you on that, Will.

In fact, Richard Pinch is an intelligent and informed commenter who brings valuable expertise and makes points well, and courteously. I write that even though I disagree with him on many of them,….

275893 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, #497 of 2225 🔗

And unlike Mayo, Richard Pinch is not here on the wind up.

276088 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Will, 1, #498 of 2225 🔗

Again, thanks, much appreciated.

275177 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, 9, #499 of 2225 🔗

I am the same as Jakehadlee. I was sitting in Bongkok with loads of Chinese from Wuhan when this thing started in earnest in January. I also did back of an envelope calculations, using information then available from China and South Korea. It is not true to say data was not available then, it was not from western sources, but it was available.
Also you have deliberately misinterpreted ‘unaccountable’. Yeardon clearly means The Professor at Imperial can’t apparantly get sacked for continually getting his modelling wrong. He has an awful track record. He deals in GIGO.
You also deliberately misinterpret ‘reasonable’ in RWC. There is nothing reasonable in using outlier inputs into scenario building, its just ‘worse case’. You seem to advocate the worst of ‘precautionary principle’ use in policy decisions. If this was followed to a logical conclusion the human race would never have left its caves. Risk is an important part of the risk/reward balance.
This is just a badly constructed attempt at justifying ‘the expert’ and passing the buck to ‘the politician’. Something Whitty and Valance practiced with aplomb in front of the Select Committee. Then the politicians simpley retort they are ‘following the science’. And hey presto both sets of incompetents wriggle free.
This is coupled with what seems a poor attempt at belittling Yeardon.

275226 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to peyrole, -2, #500 of 2225 🔗

It is not true to say data was not available then

And I didn’t say that. I said “very limited knowledge”.

You also deliberately misinterpret ‘reasonable’ in RWC.

No, I don’t. You disagree with whether it is reasonable, that’s all. You refer to “outlier” estimates and I disagree, on the basis of what was known at the time.

you have deliberately misinterpreted ‘unaccountable’

It would improve our discussion if you were to address opinions different to your own without assuming intellectual dishonesty.

275236 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #501 of 2225 🔗

‘intellectual dishonesty’ , your words., not mine.

275270 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to peyrole, -4, #502 of 2225 🔗

Indeed. Your words were “ deliberately misinterpreted ” which you wrote twice. That’s an accusation of intellectual dishonesty, and I reject it. You apparently now wish to distance yourself from that accusation. Do you therefore accept that such an accusation would be unfounded?

275184 ▶▶ Will, replying to Richard Pinch, 12, #503 of 2225 🔗

I hear you Richard Pinch and up voted you accordingly. The problem for Ferguson is that a Nobel prize winner emailed him and advised that the data from various settings, including the Diamond Princess cruise ship, indicated that there was significant pre existing immunity to the virus. Ferguson didn’t reply to Michael Levitt so we can’t know whether or not he read the advice. But, quite frankly, it is immaterial, if Ferguson read the advice and ignored it he is an arrogant, ignorant prick who has blood on his hands; if he didn’t read the advice he is an arrogant, ignorant prick who has blood on his hands.

275206 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Will, -6, #504 of 2225 🔗

I don’t know what Levitt wrote or how Ferguson reacted. I have read Levitt’s later preprint Predicting the Trajectory of Any COVID19 Epidemic From the Best Straight Line and on that basis I would hardly hold him up as an authority.

275269 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Richard Pinch, 6, #505 of 2225 🔗

Levitt’s revelation that he had emailed Ferguson imploring him to have another look at the available data was the moment I realised a catastrophic mistake was being made. My understanding is He wasn’t predicting what would happen, just that there was data that contradicted the in put Ferguson was using for his model. If such data existed, and it did, Ferguson choosing to ignore it meant he wasn’t modelling on a reasonable worst case scenario, he was modelling on a scenario which the available data simply didn’t support.

275313 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Will, #506 of 2225 🔗

As I said, data was partial and inconsistent. SAGE chose a set of parameters as their best assessment, see minutes of SAGE 11. It’s not correct to say the data did not support that choice.

275434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Richard Pinch, #507 of 2225 🔗

The data selected for use did not support that choice is not the same as the data did not support that choice.

275980 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Richard Pinch, #508 of 2225 🔗

If the data was partial and inconsistent can the outcome from it be described as a “reasonable” worst case scenario? This is where mathematics moves into semantics. On the same theme, given the RWC is predicated on “doing nothing” it is completely meaningless because nobody is going to “do nothing” in the face of a virus. In practical, real world terms it is beyond disingenuous to suggest that the 510,000 figure was based on a “do nothing” scenario. The message was clear, if you don’t lock down 510,000 people will die to claim otherwise, as Ferguson has done stretches credulity considerably beyond its elastic limit.

276076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Will, #509 of 2225 🔗

I think that, whatever position you take on this question, it tends to support my initial comment, which was that is was simply not correct to ascribe the blame for — well, whatever you find blameworthy — on “ extraordinary errors in modelling created by unaccountable academics” as Dr Yeadon is happy to do.

Mathematics is not the driver for whether or not you agree that the “Reasonable Worst Case” reasonable or not. That’s a matter of assessing the real-world paramaters that you feed into your model, and the real-world conclusions you derive from its output. Since “semantics” refers to using words in such a way as to be understood accurately by others, I’m always puzzled by the way people seem to use it as if it were some kind of knock-down refutation.

By the way, I’m happy to criticise the use or abuse of a RWC as a prediction, no matter by whom.

275251 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #510 of 2225 🔗

“Something which was not available in early February.”
Two words, “diamond”, and “princess”

275310 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #511 of 2225 🔗

Thanks, I have heard of it. As I was careful to say earlier, the information was limited and not consistent. Decisions had to be made. Those decisions may or may not have been, but they had to be made, and were made. All of which has nothing to do with the alleged errors in modelling that Dr Yeadon lays the blame on, incorrectly in my view.

275341 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #512 of 2225 🔗

I fail to understand the amount of time you spend on defending the modeling process when, in practical terms, it has been so useless in so many instances.

The best that you might argue is that it is a very immature theoretical process that needs a lot of development to make it valid and reliable. But it certainly isn’t something that should, without massive qualification, be linked to policy formation.

The distinguishing feature of Imperial College’s work in the field is its faiure of accurate prediction – i.e. of its main purpose.

275349 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, -1, #513 of 2225 🔗

Well, I’m happy to admit that as a practising professional mathematician I have an interest in seeing mathematical modelling, which I know to be a valuable tool when correctly applied, and mathematical modellers, some of whom are colleagues of mine, blamed for things that are doing things they did not do, or for not doing things that they could not do.

It’s particularly worth refuting such incorrect assertions when they are made by someone such as Dr Yeadon, who as a professional in a related scientific discipline, ought to know better.

275442 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Richard Pinch, #514 of 2225 🔗

I think this is all a bit of an intellectual exercise because I think even you, Richard Pinch, would now acknowledge that the figure of 500,000 deaths was nonsense because it was predicated on an IFR that was too high and the supposition that no one had any pre existing immunity to sars-cov-2.

275467 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Will, -1, #515 of 2225 🔗

It’s an intellectual exercise until you read something like Dr Yeadon’s

due to extraordinary errors in modelling created by unaccountable academics at Imperial College, the country was told to expect over a half a million deaths.

which is, in my view, quite wrong.

the figure of 500,000 deaths was nonsense

As I’ve repeatedly said, the precise figure is less important than the policy answer “Can we cope with the result of the do-nothing scenario”. I think the answer “No” was likely to be the right one, then and now. “Nonsense”: no — “best answer at the time”: yes — “best answer in hindsight”: near enough.

275272 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard Pinch, 4, #516 of 2225 🔗

I was getting worried about you we hadn’t heard from you for so long;but as soon as Ferguson’s report is mention ed you reappear with the same tired discredited arguments.

275331 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -3, #517 of 2225 🔗

Thank you for your concern. My arguments may be tired, but the energy with which people choose to misrepresent Ferguson seems tireless. As to “discredited”, that’s your view and you are entitled to it.

275389 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #518 of 2225 🔗

In my view, the conservative estimate of little-to-no pre-existing immunity was the correct assumption to make at the time, based on very limited knowledge about the virus at that stage.

Richard – we’ve disagreed on this before, and I’m reposting something similar to what I’ve posted on here preciously, in reply to both you and Mayo, but to which I don’t recall seeing counter arguments.

Fundamentally, I remain of the opinion that SAGE were wrong to assume 100% susceptibility – even back in March, let alone later in the spring and even now.

At parameters R0 = 2.5 to 3, and infectious for about 5 days, the disease spreads fast, and given that each infected person is infectious before they know they have the disease, it is essentially uncontrollable without an absolutely draconian lockdown, the likes of which we have not seen.

But by February the disease was out and about, world-wide, and couldn’t be contained. At R0 = 2.8, infectious for 5 days, 100% susceptible, 0.9% IFR, the bodies would have been piling high in China long before. But they weren’t. Time therefore to revisit the assumptions. R0 and 5 days had been observed; they were probably close to correct. That leaves IFR and susceptibility. It was clear that those assumptions could not be correct. Even back in February and March.

That SAGE, Vallance and Whitty are still essentially assuming 100% susceptibility (minus the about 7% who have identifiable antibodies) is, frankly, astonishing, and points to its own story. And it isn’t a pretty one.

275451 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to TJN, -1, #519 of 2225 🔗

That SAGE, Vallance and Whitty are still essentially assuming 100% susceptibility (minus the about 7% who have identifiable antibodies) is, frankly, astonishing, and points to its own story.

Ah, that’s a different matter. The situation still is not clear though. If we take 7% seroprevalence (15% in London) then there have been about 5 million infections, and 50,000 deaths, which is about 1% IFR. If we look at New York, with about deaths 0.25% of the entire population, then IFR clearly is at least 0.25%, and if there had been 50% pre-existing immunity, that would be an IFR of at least 0.5%. On the other hand, Manaus and Guayaquil seem to have reached herd immunity at around 30% suggesting pre-existing immunity of maybe 50% (or other effects such as differential susceptibility). On the other other hand, there’s a seroprevalence figure of 50% for Manaus which if correct, suggests a lower but non-zero pre-existing immunity. And so on.

Let’s suppose, though, that SAGE had taken a 50% pre-existing immunity. The do-nothing scenario would had led to around 30% of cases, maybe 200,000 deaths. It seems to me that this would have been the same answer to the question “Can we cope?”, ie still “No”.

275488 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #520 of 2225 🔗

So how did you verify the infections and deaths were properly attributed?

That’s what validation and verification are about.

We know in the UK that flu tests were not done for a large number of people as resources were tight, hence those “Covid” cases are nothing of the sort.

275546 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to mhcp, #521 of 2225 🔗

I did not personally verify them, of course. Did you personally validate and verify those things “we know”? There comes a point when we decide who and what to trust.

276725 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Richard Pinch, #522 of 2225 🔗

Try and talk about something other than mathematical modelling Richard for christ sake. It really does become terribly boring after a while.This shit show is about so much more than models…you really give boffins a bad name. Why not have a break and talk about eg police tactics,censorship,rights and freedoms,the economy….anything!!!

276775 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Borisbullshit, #523 of 2225 🔗

I discuss what I’m interested in, and no doubt others do the same. Mathematical modelling was explicitly mentioned in Dr Yeadon’s “blockbuster piece” which is the lead topic on today’s posting.

As for giving boffins a bad name, that’s precisely what Dr Yeadon does in the comment I originally quoted at the top of this thread, not to mention the majority of other people commenting here. My purpose, in case you hadn’t gathered, was to restore some balance to that particular discussion.

If you don’t want to read what someone writes, I draw your attention to the fact that the name of the author is written in bold green at the top of each comment,

276280 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard Pinch, #524 of 2225 🔗

Thanks for your reply. Sorry I haven’t replied earlier – been out and about.

I haven’t looked at my speadsheet model since late April, and now I just have it’s a right mess and I can’t remember what I was doing (although I knew at he time). Bit like the Imperial model suppose.

So do you accept my point that SAGE should have allowed for the concept of some population immunity back in Feb/March? Seems obvious to me that they should have done. Had I been at those meetings I would certainly have pressed the matter.

As I say, I can’t run my own model just now, but – off the top of my head- your implied new figure of 150k deaths seems a plausible calculation (30% of 500k). But that’s based on an IFR of 0.9% – which again I would dispute. If for example, we take 0.3% (which seems much more realistic now, or even much lower – depends on how an ‘infection’ is defined), we get 45k deaths – not far from where we are now – and at the point that both I and Dr Yeadon think the virus-wave is essential over. And can we cope with that – yes.

I take your point about the New York IFR pointing towards an IFR of 0.5% or even higher. But there was a lot going on in NY, which we still don’t understand – in particular population demographics, which may have led to a higher than normal IFR, and – for example – factors like air pollution (which I suspect may also be a factor).

But I come back to my original point. I believe that (and have explained why) SAGE should have allowed for the concept of substantial population immunity even back in February, and the IFR of 0.9% was also suspicious back then. But they don’t seem to have asked these questions. Why? My suspicion is that they didn’t want to know, and were interested only in pushing the most apocalyptic scenario they could get away with.

276327 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to TJN, #525 of 2225 🔗

do you accept my point that SAGE should have allowed for the concept of some population immunity back in Feb/March?

If you’re asking, should they have explicitly asked themselves what the correct assumption, or range of assumptions, was for pre-existing immunity, then my answer is, yes they should. Indeed, since it’s explicitly a basic parameter of most reasonable models, the modelling process would have thrown it up as a necessary input. I’m not in a position to say how such as discussion might have gone.

If you’re asking, should they have assumed a value other than zero for a Reasonable Worst Case scenario, then my opinion (which is what it is) is, no.

276653 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard Pinch, #526 of 2225 🔗

I thought I heard that for SARS1 it was already known that some people had existing immunity owing to previous exposure to coronavirus colds. By extension, there was clearly a very realistic probability of pre-existing immunity to SARS2. (Although I can’t get a source for this at the moment, so may be mistaken – I don’t know if anyone else can confirm/deny.)

In any event, I find it astonishing that SAGE did not allow for this. And as I’ve explained, by March there was good indirect evidence of widespread pre-existing immunity to SARS2. And anyone playing with the figures, even on a simple spreadsheet as I did, would quickly realise that the level of pre-existing immunity was an absolutely fundamental and primary assumption for any calculations.

But SAGE just didn’t want to know. They didn’t appear to want to have, as you accurately out it, explicitly asked themselves what the correct assumption, or range of assumptions, was for pre-existing immunity’. Why ever not??

There is an important difference between a reasonable WCS and an extreme WCS. SAGE appears always to have based their advice on extreme WCSs. If we work on extreme WCSs we wouldn’t ever leave the house, and even that might be too dangerous. (Which funnily enough is what they advised.)

That even as late as this autumn SAGE appear to deny the possibility of pre-existing immunity, and even of T cell immunity is astounding.

In my view, this fully justifies Dr Yeadon’s criticisms of them. They have a great deal to answer for.

I understand that we might allow them a bit of leeway in terms of criticism in light of what they were facing back in March. Yet by late April the picture was becoming clearer. As I say though, they just didn’t want to know. Of the many legacies that will emerge from this tragedy, I think that the reputation of ‘science’ will have suffered a grievous blow.

Dr Yeadon has in fact called Prof. Vallance a liar on social media and challenged him to sue him over this. For whatever reason, the cudgels have not been taken up.

276666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, #527 of 2225 🔗

I should add that it’s a pity there isn’t a technical forum on this site, as by tomorrow this thread will be essentially lost, and at some future date we will run through all the points raised here again!

It’s important to get to the truth over matters such as this, or at least to establish what is truth and what is opinion, and what are the limits of the evidence supporting those opinions; and what is just mud-slinging.

Got to log out for the evening now.

275452 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard Pinch, #528 of 2225 🔗

I’m suspicious of Yeadon

276656 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Ben, #529 of 2225 🔗


275116 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #530 of 2225 🔗

I very rarely watch the commercial tv stations “live” and record the programmes and like a lot of people FF through the “adverts” but I watched itv on their “hub” last night and of course, had to sit through the “ads”.
Over the years, all of us have had to endure some “stomach churning ” drivel, but this year’s Tesco Christmas one is surely the absolute worst,( “am I on the naughty step?” complete with visors and masks.
An “old bat” whittering on about doing something in just her pants(Too much information) and asking “am I on the naughty step?”;
My wife and myself are in our early 70’s and we both find this “collaborating friendly” load of hogwash extremely patronising,insulting and degrading,
is it any wonder that seemingly the majority of our population are collaborating sheep?, watching such brain rotting drivel, open to all the government propaganda that we have had to ensure these last few months?

275136 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #531 of 2225 🔗

That Tesco one is disgusting. I could not believe what I was watching.

275148 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 10, #532 of 2225 🔗

Agree. It’s normalising the thoroughly un-normal.

275393 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #533 of 2225 🔗

The Tesco ad is ridiculous I agree but I think the British Gas one may be even worse. It seems to go out of it’s way to tick as many boxes as possible featuring mask-wearing, a gay couple and the boiler repairman being a “person of colour” (is that the pc term, I just don’t know anymore?)

275486 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Chicot, 1, #534 of 2225 🔗

Bit off topic, I think adverts are full of ethnic people now, or mixed race couples/families, pale skinned people are almost in the minority now!
And a lot of xmas adverts are animated. Probably easier than trying to film something trying to keep to “guidelines”.

275123 PWL, replying to PWL, 3, #535 of 2225 🔗

Of course, Hitchens is telling his flock that writing to MPs (who are already complicit in a heinous crime) to beg for crumbs is the only lawful means available to them, the odious little turd. Exploiting his audience’s child-like minds, he tells them that they should warn an MP that he or she could lose their seat, and this will be their leverage for influence. The revolving door from the Commons onto the board of a lobbying corporation doesn’t feature in this fairy tale scape.

Far more effective – in fact devastatingly so – than the waste of time and energy that is writing to MPs (who won’t vote against lockdown), in London this weekend, people exercised their lawful right to walk the streets, making the police arrest them for none over than that.

Non compliance, disobedience and dignity, folks, not begging for crumbs from a shower of bastards.

Prohibition and Covid-19; Part Two the Great Reset is Socialism

275150 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 14, #536 of 2225 🔗

The revolving door from the Commons onto the board of a lobbying corporation doesn’t feature in this fairy tale scape.”

Do you seriously expect us to believe that Hitchens is not aware of this phenomenon, or that he approves of it?

Some MPs voted against the government last time, hopefully more will do so this time. Street protests may play a part in them changing their minds, as may them receiving large volumes of emails asking them to vote against or lose support. It’s not either/or – they are two sides of the same coin.

Hitchens has been a withering, eloquent and consistent critic of the goverment from Day 1 and his position on lockdowns is one of the most purist in so far as he places a very high price on liberty.

I don’t see how his influence on this can be anything but positive for our side.

“Non compliance, disobedience and dignity, folks, not begging for crumbs from a shower of bastards.”

They are indeed a shower of bastards, but I fail to see how noncompliance, disobedience and dignity are incompatible with writing to your MP or how that is “begging for crumbs” – simply exercising a means to try and influence those who can directly affect the direction we are going on.

275222 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to PWL, 1, #537 of 2225 🔗

I sadly agree writing to most MPs is a complete waste of time. Living in a safe Conservative seat with a very wealthy MP who is completely out of touch with how many are suffering I have grown tired of her replies simply stating the establishment narrative.

Non compliance is indeed the way forward to end the tyranny, the only problem is how to convinced the masses whilst they continue to consume state propaganda via the main stream media. As long as the government bribes people to comply most are surprisingly willing to submit. Also 150+ people on Saturday were kidnapped for several hours and extorted which frightens many.

275262 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 2, #538 of 2225 🔗

If your MP received many thousands of emails on this subject, almost all expressing scepticism, it might well make a difference

275288 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Julian, 1, #539 of 2225 🔗

The trouble is if the politician is completely unwilling to look at any alternative view points, it really feels like it is a waste of time and energy, people acting normally is what the authoritarians hate the most. The police on Saturday looked completely disgusted by people not acting like obedient slaves.

I would also suggest boycotting the companies who are pushing compliance and mask wearing via their advertising campaigns as much as possible.

275254 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to PWL, 3, #540 of 2225 🔗

You may disagree with his strategy but Hitchens is not the enemy here.

275326 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PWL, 2, #541 of 2225 🔗

… and an article like this one : “ Prohibition and Covid-19; Part Two the Great Reset is Socialism

… is typical of what is not effective if you want to generate wide support. It’s immediate bin-fodder.

275437 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PWL, #542 of 2225 🔗

The Great Reset is not socialism. Unless a massive upflow of wealth to the billionaires is considered so. Agree about Hitchens. He’s happy for others to risk being beaten up by police for his freedom

275130 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 7, #543 of 2225 🔗

One thing apparent from being in Central London on Saturday was the fear of the virus is real by seeing so many young people masked up. We are in an information war with the powers that be controlling most of the mas media including social media as seen from Youtube banning any content that doesn’t fit into this so called “New Normal”.

WE (who now know that this is all BS) need a new approach to taking on the apparent destruction of life and freedoms as we know it. Those of us already reading lockdownsceptics are already converted to the fact that none of this makes sense, 95% of of the population are just accepting the propaganda and one sided argument dished out by media (BBC in particular) and the government. So it isn’t any wonder to understand why so many are fearful of this scamdemic. The governments (Seems pretty much the whole world) are dependent of the masses being fearful for whatever reason (Many of us have idea’s but for now we must leave conspiracy theories out of this, for now). So I’m proposing we fight back with our own information war, with our strengths being that our information is based on real scientific FACTS and truths. There’s enough information just on this site only to destroy whatever nasty plans they have for us but the only issue is getting this info out to the masses. How do we do this?

Well one suggestion I have is we produce a leaflet (Covid the facts) probably no more the a two-side A4 sheet that contains, facts (Verifiable, with references and links) There’s more than enough info just from this site alone. This will be delivered to every household in the country. There should be nothing on this printed leaflet that can be considered conspirator theorist or anti-vax etc.. The goal of this is to remove (reduce) the fear amongst the population making new government measures more difficult to implement. I would be happy to distribute this in the area I live. Not sure how the Gov. can get this banned. So we need

  1. A team of writers to produce this leaflet.
  2. Printers willing to mass produce this for us.
  3. All of us willing to distribute this to every letter box in the country (one thing the technocrats still can’t control)

We need to take the fight to the people before it’s too late.


275141 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Andrew K, #544 of 2225 🔗

Wonderful idea,

This is the way to go.

On bard with everything you said, although I think far more than 5% of the population are sceptical.

275157 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrew K, 5, #545 of 2225 🔗

The Light newspaper is already doing something like this – they were looking for helpers the other day. They have a website which I am sure you can find via a search engine.

I know some young people who are scared but I think a lot of the young wearing masks in London are just virtue signalling.

275217 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Victoria, 3, #547 of 2225 🔗

The first thing I see when I hit the link was Agenda 21, this is the very thing that won’t work with the masses. In my view it needs to be based on facts and numbers that support our cause. This stuff just alienates people more. As for 95% OK that is just a figure I pulled out the air but the majority is still scared and believes world government narratives.

275345 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Andrew K, #548 of 2225 🔗

Agreed. Let’s stick to the knitting, as RickH would say.

Also, I would strongly suggest an inverted pyramid approach, so reading the first paragraph is all that is required to get the message.

As much as I admire Yeadon’s work, I find it hard to get through with my Internet-addled attention span. We need to be concise.

275220 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, #549 of 2225 🔗

There are quite a few local distributors (none in Scotland, yet!!), great opportunity to get the paper out to shops and local areas, there isn’t enough printed at the moment for house to house distribution.

Well worth £5 a month!!!!

275160 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Andrew K, 1, #550 of 2225 🔗

“95% of of the population are just accepting the propaganda”. No they aren’t – and now I have to wonder why you’ve done that.

In any case; folks, don’t worry about shining up pearls to be cast before swine. The first thing to do is to effectively organise the very many – and it’s certainly way more than 5% – who know that “Covid-19” is a crock of crap. This isn’t being done – because those who you are looking to lead you on a national level aren’t there for that. You must organise in your own communities.

A List Of FBEL’s Covid-19 Articles – And Brief Comments Regarding Continuation Of Coronahoax .

275314 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew K, #551 of 2225 🔗

It’s great to see constructive ideas, and I flinch at being a party pooper. But :

“getting this info out to the masses”

…. isn’t the only issue.

A key issue is getting it accepted into conciousness, rather than being just dismissed as another of those ‘conspiracy theories’.

I’m writing this just after talking to a family member who had one of the really bad genuine attacks of Covid-19 during the real first wave, in London.

Getting over the Fear barrier, driven by all the official propaganda (never mind real personal experience) is the really hard ask, even when good information is out there.

A sane official response to an epidemic would, of course, incorporate a strategy for keeping things in perspective and minimising panic. This government has done the precise opposite – and it is the only thing in which they’ve been successful.

275376 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to RickH, #552 of 2225 🔗

@RickH I never said it was the only issue but as you rightfully point out in your last paragraph

<i>”A sane official response to an epidemic would, of course, incorporate a strategy for keeping things in perspective and minimising panic. This government has done the precise opposite – and it is the only thing in which they’ve been successful.”</i>

This is way I’m proposing we put things in propspective to minimise fear that unfortunately the government should’ve done.

<i>”A key issue is getting it accepted into conciousness, rather than being just dismissed as another of those ‘conspiracy theories’.”</i>

That’s why it’s important to stick to facts and verifiable numbers. Any suggestion of conspiracies will be rejected immediately by the masses.

We can’t deny the virus isn’t nasty for some and doesn’t exist but we have to put this in context and help reduce the fear.

275131 TyRade, #553 of 2225 🔗

there’s a job for prof Zimmer – and his Chicago Principles – as Eton head, hopefully imminently.

275133 Sarigan, #554 of 2225 🔗

May have been shared before but worth a repost and certainly a listen if you haven’t already:

What a world-leading Vaccine expert has to say…


275137 calchas, 5, #555 of 2225 🔗

Great update – thanks.

Terrific work from Mike Yeadon.

275140 goldensacks, replying to goldensacks, 15, #556 of 2225 🔗

I can’t thank Dr Mike Yeadon enough for expert guidance. I have had my livelihood completely destroyed by Government policy. I know now it’s all been in vain and the Government are just doubling down to hide their error.

275191 ▶▶ John Linford, replying to goldensacks, 3, #557 of 2225 🔗

That much was evident six months ago, sadly.

275142 Old Bill, 4, #558 of 2225 🔗

Isn’t it strange how BJ’s attitude to windmills is so contradictary. On the one hand he advocates covering the entire country with them in the vain hope of providing us with enough electicity for our compulsory electric vehicles, whilst on the other hand he continues to relentlessly tilt at them with his Quixote like corona policy.

I suppose it makes sense to him, just not the rest of us.

Whilst I am here, tomorrow is the vote in parliament on the latest ’tilting’ exercise so today is your last chance to influence your MP.

As many have done before, I recommend the site: https://www.writetothem.com/ for the easiest way to register your protest if you haven’t already done so.

275153 Jo, replying to Jo, 6, #559 of 2225 🔗

This is part of an article (one of a 5 part series) from Corey’s Digs
https://www.coreysdigs.com/health-science/covid-19-pt-2-cdcs-new-pic-and-the-hidden-data/ It’s based in US – worth a read. She does articles on Great Reset too, for anyone interested


• The Covid Tracking Project alleges nearly 256,000 people have died from Covid as of November 27, while Johns Hopkins and google reflect nearly 266,000. That in itself is quite a discrepancy.

• As noted in Corey’s Digs Hospitalizations article , the Covid Tracking Project has officially hidden the cumulative hospitalizations (because it doesn’t hold water), as well as the recovery column (because it’s good news) from their website, and can only be viewed by downloading the data via csv file

• The CDC has stated that only 6% of death certificates indicated Covid-19 as the only cause

• They are lumping Covid-related deaths in with influenza and pneumonia as “PIC”

• 94% of Covid-related deaths have on average 2.6 comorbidities, with 40% of all deaths taking place in nursing homes, long-term care facilities, and hospice

• Only 6.6% of those who get tested, are testing positive, and of those 90% are asymptomatic, while multiple studies have shown tests pumping out false/positives

• The media has created a frenzy over hospitalizations, which are far less than the 810,000 cases during the 2017-2018 influenza season, and there are currently an alleged 91,635 Covid-related hospitalizations across the entire U.S. as of November 28

• Those already dying from life-threatening illnesses, who happen to test positive for Covid, are being added to the Covid-19 death totals, despite the fact that 90% of them show no symptoms

• Original models suggested 1-2 million people would die in the U.S. alone from Covid. They allege 256,000 have, with 94% having comorbidities. To put this in perspective, over 600,000 people died of cancer last year, 655,000 people die each year from heart disease, and between 250,000 – 440,000 people die each year from medial errors

• They allege that masks work, yet after 8 months of wearing them they allege people are dying

• They closed down the economy, people lost their businesses, millions of people are waiting in food lines each week, the suicide rate has drastically climbed, elective surgeries and other life-threatening diseases were all put on hold and caused deaths, and masks are mandatory in many places causing infections and other serious issues – all totally unwarranted and unconstitutional

And yet, despite all of this manipulation, the fact of the matter is, the survival rate would only go up from what is already incredibly high.

comment image We now know the numbers are being hidden and manipulated. They are also trying to create mass panic over hospitalizations that don’t even compare to the hospitalizations witnessed in the 2017-2018 flu season. Part 3 of this 5-part report will cover the data behind nursing homes, hospice, and long-term care facilities. It is a tragedy what they are putting the elderly and their families through during this time.

275256 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo, 4, #560 of 2225 🔗

As I said yesterday, in some ways that 94.6% figure could look scary if you are 70+ and healthy. A better way to look at it would be “what are my chances of dying this year” and then look at “what are my chances of dying of covid if I catch it” and I think you’ll find the two figures are very similar and many would look at them and start to realise they may as well get on with life and stop worrying. For any doubters you could throw in “what are my chances of dying this year if I catch flu or a cold or some other respiratory infection”.

275162 epythymy, replying to epythymy, 18, #561 of 2225 🔗

Boris “ Once again, the British people have come together to bring Covid under control. ”

That’s like suggesting the population of a prison have come together to reduce the rates of murder and burglary. It’s not a choice. We legally are not allowed to do anything else. We haven’t “come together”, we’ve been legally forced to stay apart. That’s all, Boris. Just like the population of a prison is legally held so as to not commit murder and burglary

275277 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to epythymy, 1, #562 of 2225 🔗

I thought we’d all been not complying properly, disobeying the rules, not distancing, etc etc…Hence the need for the ruinous fines and over zealous policing.

275165 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #563 of 2225 🔗

As expected, on the eve of a huge vote, the Government’s friends at Imperial step in with their latest REACT study that claims that Tiers and Lockdown are just the job.


The React-1 study is highly respected and gives us the most up-to-date picture of Covid-19 in the country.

BBC lie right there.

Prof Paul Elliott, who leads the study, said the data offered “encouraging signs” for England’s epidemic.

“These trends suggest that the tiered approach helped to curb infections in [the worst-affected areas] and that lockdown has added to this effect.

Well, it’s Elliott, isn’t it?

275189 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 3, #564 of 2225 🔗

Respected by WHO EXACTLY?

275215 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 2, #565 of 2225 🔗

Yeah, I know. The BBC and Handjob, I assume.

275230 ▶▶ ziggee, replying to Ceriain, 1, #566 of 2225 🔗

Nice link to Lockdown Sceptics on the top reply though.

275232 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ceriain, 2, #567 of 2225 🔗

the tiered approach helped to curb infections in [the worst-affected areas] and that lockdown has added to this effect

This is all-but admitting that lockdown 2 was never necessary to “keep the virus under control”, surely?

275274 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #568 of 2225 🔗

Well if Tiers were working, it proves that the second lockdown was unnecessary doesn’t it? And that the new “tougher” tiers are also a load of cr*p? They can’t have it both ways.

275561 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, #569 of 2225 🔗

Arse covering both cheeks.

275285 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 1, #570 of 2225 🔗

Nick R has just blown this argument, with the figures for Leicester.

275369 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #571 of 2225 🔗

Nick’s right, of course; we all know that. They know it, too.

Whitty blew the argument himself when he told the Health Select Committee (in June, I think) that the pandemic had peaked before the first lockdown started.

Imperial and SAGE know they are lying when they claim the lockdowns and tiers made the changes we are seeing.

275169 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 10, #572 of 2225 🔗

Just saw this little gem on Talk Radio..Basically the police illegaly enter a students house, tell them to open every room and then tell him to go to bed ( in his own house!!!) He is fucking 22! We now live in East Germany in 1975 and I love how he says that every day he is in fear that somebody will knock his door down and barge in..Not the criminals the police and the Stasi ( Covid Marshalls) Fuck them too the moon!!


275214 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #573 of 2225 🔗

Should sue as that’s illegal.

275246 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #574 of 2225 🔗

Absolutely. Poor sods. Even when they aren’t doing anything ‘wrong’ (when actually they should be as it’s their right of passage) they are terrified out of their wits that their homes are going to be unlawfully broken into. It’s absolutely disgusting.

275305 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #575 of 2225 🔗

I have written twice to the Attorney General to question the whole legal side of this virus hoo-haa and how the Police are using the law, no reply to date. Unless you have the sort of money that Simon Dolan has it is difficult to know how you can take any legal action on this?

275439 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Steve Martindale, #576 of 2225 🔗

See my reply above.

275438 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #577 of 2225 🔗

Correct; it is not that difficult or expensive to take a civil action to court, and to make a formal complaint to the IOPC. They must be encouraged to do this. See Crimebodge on YouTube or Ian Gould (Solicitor).

275752 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Thomas_E, #578 of 2225 🔗

Yes I heard that, I thought I was dreaming – sometimes have to pinch myself.

Ouch! No still awake!

275173 James, replying to James, 14, #579 of 2225 🔗

Good morning everyone. I took the opportunity to write to my local MP, Douglas Ross( leader of the Scottish Conservatives and proud possessor of one of the smallest majorities in the land) threatening dire consequences if he voted the wrong way tomorrow. He actually responded personally (and it was him not his secretary ) saying that he would be voting against the Government tomorrow.

Maybe there is still hope to be found in the the representatives of the people.

I have also been sounding out the higher ups about forming
an alternative Parliament since the existing one seems to be effectively derelict in its duties. What do you all think? I am serious about this. I think it might work. We need a flag to rally to.

275317 ▶▶ shorthand, replying to James, #580 of 2225 🔗

Good work James. I wrote to him a few months back but didn’t get a reply. Might do it again today.

275428 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to James, 1, #581 of 2225 🔗

“Maybe there is still hope to be found in the the representatives of the people.”

I give you the words of Karl Urban, as Eomer : “Look for your friends. But do not trust to hope. It has forsaken these lands.”

275176 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #582 of 2225 🔗

Ok, this demonstrates the censorship going on regarding the truth about all this shit.

I have since been banned from commenting on the scummy Edinburgh live rag, because I comment against the fear mongering narrative. So, I left a comment saying

“Fuck You Edinburgh Live, the truth hurts & it will come out but you can’t have that happen on here because you have to keep up the fear mongering stories”

Then, another reach plc publication, the daily record, you can’t comment on their articles usually, but, wobetide anyone who speaks the truth, you get made out to be a conspiracy theorist, as demonstrated here


I am really feeling angry at all of this now.
So much for free speech & opinions.

275466 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #583 of 2225 🔗

I went through a similar banning on a local forum recently. The opening post from an admin was a large piece blaming rule breakers for brining another lockdown and that our poor NHS was overwhelmed.

I pointed out that the same admin had scared people in March claiming our town would get 4,000 deaths from Covid if businesses did not lockdown. We’ve had about 100. 70% of ehcib are over 80 and average life expectancy is 78. Simple stuff. They actually have patted themselves on the back saying they saved all these lives because they acted early. Idiots of course.

I was rounded on by a few people with slurs. I asked the admin to remove their posts as it was against the rules of the forum as stated in their bio.

I got banned. They are the worst kind of zealots. They think that they are a positive force for the community and always insist on positive posts that celebrate the town.

They are self appointed community leaders and not a critical thought enters their mind. They say the don’t do politics but are overtly so, hiding it behind their virtue signalling.

It’s everywhere. People even self censor and they don’t eve know it

275993 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #584 of 2225 🔗

Well said. & true.

275180 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #585 of 2225 🔗

Nicla looks like shit sturgeon on marr yesterday.

There was a moment when nicla defended scotlands 30x worse than Norway covie death stats. A commentor from the pro Scottish independence website Wings Over Scotland spotted this fatal flaw with niclas words –

“”– says:
29 November, 2020 at 4:06 pm
Quoting Mrs. Murrell:

“excess deaths in Scotland have actually been lower than in England but a higher proportion of these excess deaths have been attributed to Covid.”

So she’s actually admitting that the Covid figures are falsified.””

If anyone missed the blink-o-rama that was nicla looks like shit sturgeon’s performance on marr the wings article has the video embedded, the article is a good summary of the current state of affairs.

Enjoy https://wingsoverscotland.com/titanic-blinky/
It makes lovely reading.

*looks like shit is the phrase being used by many a pro scottish independence support just now.

275186 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Basics, 2, #586 of 2225 🔗

She is an arsehole.

275427 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Basics, 1, #587 of 2225 🔗

If you read the rest of the column, you’ll see that the Dear Leader is about to throw her deputy under a bus in what’s turning into a major scandal over her apparent witch hunt for Alex Salmond, which is being investigated by the Scottish Parliament. This sacrifice (John Swinney) may not be enough to save her, but I wouldn’t doubt her cockroach-like ability to survive. Good to see the parliament actually trying to scrutinise the government for a change.

Otherwise, yes, the SNP always compares Scotland to England (an obsession for nationalists) unless some other comparison is brought in from abroad to make Scotland look good. Funny to see the Scandinavian case NOT to Sturgeon’s liking this time; normally, Norway is an SNP favourite, despite the fact that there is nothing Scandinavian about Scotland, apart from (perhaps) the weather.

275202 Fingerache Philip., 2, #588 of 2225 🔗

Laurence Fox: Totally opposite concerning politics but TOTAL RESPECT concerning him and the Morgan “creature”

275203 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #589 of 2225 🔗

Leicester had Tier 3 style restrictions imposed as long ago as 29th June. This charts shows that despite that it has exactly the same profile as just about everywhere else (that had relatively few infections in the spring).

275255 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 2, #590 of 2225 🔗

Is the apparent higher number of ‘cases’ in Leicester itself simply a reflection of a higher number of tests?

275311 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to RickH, 3, #591 of 2225 🔗

Read the Mike Yeadon piece above & watch the 10 min video he links to about the PCR casedemic & you can see it’s all Salem witch trialesque.

275264 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NickR, 1, #592 of 2225 🔗

The argument would probably be that there was no compliance, even though it proves lockdowns have little effect.

275373 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #593 of 2225 🔗

You’re absolutely right, non compliance at Eid and Diwali. Large Asian weddings in restaurants have all got the blame , then schools and universities opening, no mask wearing. The local paper is full of this.

275446 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, #594 of 2225 🔗

This kind of awfully dense thinking from the public, if allowed to take hold, will just lead to more and more bad solutions to a problem only they can see. The fundamentals are messed up so any attempt to address the casedemic just becomes self defeating

275459 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to NickR, #595 of 2225 🔗

And the stupid gov will put the whole county, the most rural and little populated outside towns, into tier 3.
I really hope they will reconsider this nonsense.

275204 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 5, #596 of 2225 🔗

So my husband and I both have it now. He got sick and tested positive. I developed symptoms one week later. I am considering whether to take the test. I know it’s completely dodgy, but if I get a positive, maybe it could work to my advantage. If I can prove I’ve had it, can I get out of taking the vaccine? Thoughts? By the way, we are doing fine.

275212 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to ColoradoGirl, 14, #597 of 2225 🔗

No! Of course it won’t let you off the hook with the vaccine. The narrative is that having had a positive test doesn’t mean that you can’t be reinfected. By all means have a test if you want to but don’t expect it to confer any benefits!

275238 ▶▶ leggy, replying to ColoradoGirl, 6, #598 of 2225 🔗

There’s no get out of jail free card here. They want you to have the jab, despite what centuries of immunology tells us. Don’t have a test, you’ll just become another statistic to be used against us. Get well soon!

275239 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ColoradoGirl, 7, #599 of 2225 🔗

Testing plays its part in fuelling the nonsense

Up to you of course but aside from the vaccine question which I would doubt is relevant, the thought of having something stuck up my nose would put me off

275240 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to ColoradoGirl, 11, #600 of 2225 🔗

Keep away from testing stations playing into the hands of the manipulators,if you don’t want the vaccine just say NO.

275242 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to ColoradoGirl, 10, #601 of 2225 🔗

Personally, I wouldn’t support a system that is collectively shafting us.

275257 ▶▶ Mark, replying to ColoradoGirl, 2, #602 of 2225 🔗

Seems likely the line will be “we can’t absolutely guarantee that a past positive test means you either had the disease or will be immune, so we still require vaccination [to fly/travel/shop/etc etc]”.

Obviously, the money and political establishments both require a big takeup of these vaccines, so it’s pretty clear such nonsense will prevail, regardless of the inherent hypocrisy (of course, when it suits them a test absolutely is a guarantee of being ill, and immunity is long lasting – if it comes from a vaccination, etc).

275263 ▶▶ ScepticSceptic, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #603 of 2225 🔗

No, don’t take a test, hold a party for all the COVID sceptics

275322 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 3, #604 of 2225 🔗

Thank you for all your replies. If things were sensible, it seems a positive test could get one out of a vaccine. However, nothing has been sensible this whole year. Why would it change now? Best not to get taken up into the system.

275455 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to ColoradoGirl, #605 of 2225 🔗

Are you aware that if you test positive they will hold your records for 8 years?
That is part of the T&T website.
Any contacts they trace, their details will be held for 5 years.
I would not get involved with the system, even if it is only that they want to do follow up (long covid) and need your details “for research”.

275578 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ColoradoGirl, #606 of 2225 🔗

Why take a dodgy test? Take some paracetamol and go to bed until you feel better. Afterall it is the flu season.

275208 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 13, #607 of 2225 🔗

Mrs C. commented on the papers saying the Government were looking to ‘celebs’ (and the young royals, according to the Guardian) to push the vaccine. She asked what I though of the move.

I suggested that the Government already know that, contrary to all the polls on the BBC and elsewhere, people aren’t going to be queueing up in their millions for this vaccine.

I also suggested that if they don’t already know this, they are more dumb than I think.

Anyone else think the Gov are overconfident with regard to the vaccine uptake?

275219 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 4, #608 of 2225 🔗

I am expecting 50% uptake at the absolute minimum. Where it goes from there is anyone’s guess.

275243 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Richard O, 2, #609 of 2225 🔗

Yes. Plenty of sheep out there.

275293 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Richard O, #610 of 2225 🔗

70-80%. Many will get it just to get their two week holiday abroad.

275225 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #611 of 2225 🔗

I think you are almost certainly right

275231 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 8, #612 of 2225 🔗

I don’t know. But the bovine compliance with absolutely senseless measures up to now doesn’t fill me with great optimism, I’m afraid.

I feel that a major driver will be a (false) ‘Ah well, this’ll get it over and done with” mentality. Which may well be a major driver of current policy over fake ‘waves’ and lockdowns.

275235 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 5, #613 of 2225 🔗

The celebrities should be held every bit as accountable and liable for damages as everyone else involved.

275241 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 1, #614 of 2225 🔗

Ceriain, my guess would be that there will be plenty of takers to keep the vaccination programme ticking over initially and give the impression of widespread enthusiasm. It doesn’t need to be the majority in order for social pressure to build and more people to fall into line after a while. However, they know from flu vaccine that everyone doesn’t buy in so they will surely be looking for anyone who might influence the populace in the desired direction.

275258 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 9, #615 of 2225 🔗

It’s the deadliest cruellest most unprecedented lethal-to-everyone indiscriminatory virus ever known to mankind. It must be, right? Why else would we have closed the country down for the best part of a year now?

Surely people will be trampling over the heads of others (grannies included) to get to this life-saving, indeed human kind-saving, vaccine? Won’t the military be needed to protect the supplies and police the top secret vaccine clinics (in a hollowed out volcano perhaps?), location only disclosed to officially registered vaccinees 5 minutes before the jabbing begins? So if the above is true, which they assure us that it is, why does the government need to resort to such pathetic tactics as celebrity endorsement?

Confusing, isn’t it.

275334 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #616 of 2225 🔗

Thanks for the replies, all.

I’m just wondering if enthusiasm in the public would fall away if, (and some polls are suggesting it), a lot of medical people in the NHS won’t take it.

275394 ▶▶ SteveT, replying to Ceriain, #617 of 2225 🔗

I don’t want the vaccine early next year at all. However, I feel I’m going to have to have it, if I want to return to enjoying things that I enjoy doing. Although the government won’t/can’t make it mandatory, I think they will make it impossible to live a normal life without it. I anticipate that I will need proof of having the vaccine to enter a sports stadium, go to a gig, get on a plane, go to a hotel etc that’s without the possibility of pubs/restaurants requiring it, or even my place of work (I have a friend in Australia who’s employer in the travel industry (not Quantas), has said that it will be mandatory to have the vaccine before returning to the office).

275237 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 19, #618 of 2225 🔗

“The Government and the Opposition, who believe in lockdown, will say that the fall in the number of confirmed cases, deaths and hospitalisations proves lockdown 2.0 was a success, regardless of the extra health costs associated with lockdowns.”

Yes, the BBC bastards were at it again at 07.00 hrs this morning (Monday 30nov20), claiming that the sodding lockdown was the reason for the drop in “cases”.

I nearly trod on my clock radio in sheer rage.

275245 ▶▶ leggy, replying to RichardJames, 6, #619 of 2225 🔗

You did better than I, my clock would have been launched. May I suggest a different wake up call in the mornings? Would be better for your blood pressure.

275248 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to RichardJames, 6, #620 of 2225 🔗

“Covid infections in England fall by 30% over lockdown” – headline from BBC website
This interpretation poisons any debate with false assumptions – i.e. that these are infections not positive tests AND that the fall was happening anyway and cannot be attributed to the lockdown.
Is there any way of this being challenged so publicly that the correct interpretation is accepted?
It could be a major factor in determining how things go from here.

275249 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to RichardJames, 3, #621 of 2225 🔗

Even though the evidence shows most stats falling before Lockdown 2 started, or falling before it would’ve had any effect.

275329 ▶▶ ziggee, replying to RichardJames, #622 of 2225 🔗

There is a link to this site on the top comment , however.
I was also a bit cross.

275748 ▶▶ dhid, replying to RichardJames, 1, #623 of 2225 🔗

Turned off my clock radio alarm a while ago to avoid anger very first thing before getting up.

275253 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 17, #624 of 2225 🔗

OK Boris, Matt, Chris, SAGE, Neil, Piers, et al. Simple one for you. I hear “if it saves one life” a lot so I’m going to give you a really simple task. Please give me the name of a person whose life has been saved by lockdown. Just one, that’s all I want. But I do need proof. Off you go.

275289 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Achilles, 10, #625 of 2225 🔗

Also, if the vaccine kills one life is it then not worth it?

275295 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Achilles, 7, #626 of 2225 🔗

We’ll supply proof of the lives lost because of lockdown – easy to do

275259 Voz 0db, 5, #627 of 2225 🔗

The PCR False Positive Pseudo-Epidemic

The FUN part is that it isn’t even a matter of “false positives”…

In reality we just need to change the kit manufacturer (change “criteria”) and for the SAME SAMPLE we can have a “positive” and a “negative” at the same time!

How do you guys think Cristiano Ronaldo after 6 consecutive “positive” PCR in 4 days got his “negative” one and was playing soccer the next day?

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275260 CGL, replying to CGL, #628 of 2225 🔗

One of my ‘friends’ has just changed their fb profile to this dodgy looking lot – anyone know anything about them? – https://www.mesopdx.org/

Looks like they are raising awareness for mesothelioma which would be fine except they’re now looking at Covid-19 too.

275279 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to CGL, #629 of 2225 🔗

If they are following the ORDERS and OBEYING, they are nothing alternative!

275414 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CGL, #630 of 2225 🔗

Just reading their goals, they are a micro credit organisation. The organisations create small loans for communities unable to access bank credit. Normally due to no credit history. It had a large success in India when the movement grist started back about 10 years ago.


275583 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #631 of 2225 🔗

“Microfinance 1.0 has failed. It was not the miracle it was touted to be,” said Union rural development minister Jairam Ramesh at the HT Leadership Summit 2013 on Friday.

Under the current MAIN SYSTEM and with all the programming embedded into modern umans thought processes, these experiments are doomed to fail.

275266 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 11, #632 of 2225 🔗

Even if this can be turned around, I have to question whether the millions whose wilful ignorance and blind faith in authority has facilitated this dreadful year deserve anything other than the worst possible outcome. Such staggering levels of mediocrity cannot go unpunished.

275286 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Richard O, 11, #633 of 2225 🔗

How can they go 8 months locked in and not research any alternative facts??? There is plenty info out there and the sceptic argument is strong. It boggles my mind that folk get all their news from the MSM/ social media and waste away watching trash tv or debating football tactics.

275302 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JHuntz, 4, #634 of 2225 🔗

Wait until they stop having access to those “modern commodities” and then the sheeple will start to baa baa

While the majority has food, water, WWW and house deliveries EVERYTHING IS AWESOME

275480 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to JHuntz, 3, #635 of 2225 🔗

How they can even watch football in empty stadiums is beyond me. I got 3 minutes into a game on tv and it was so patently soulless and pointless that I stopped and vowed never to watch another sporting event without spectators (not SD not masked) ever again.

275287 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Richard O, 5, #636 of 2225 🔗

I bet that the majority of the HERD OF MORONS will not stop wearing the muzzle and using alcohol and social distancing.

Once you believe in a GOD, that’s it!

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And the JESTERS in office will never backtrack on this!

275327 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Voz 0db, 14, #637 of 2225 🔗

Have to agree with this one. There is no turning the tide on this. Those who think that this was a scamm from day one are a minority and the Church of Blessed Covid is the majority. There is no facts, graphs or articles you can show them, the faith is strong and the heresy will soon be outlawed. The society will split with wearing masks, vaccine , complete government control, health passes on one side an the sceptics who will not be able to protest, write, or say anything against the Almighty Covid or risk being DE platformed, sacked, sidelined, disgraced and soon arrested and shunned from society. This is where we are heading and there is NO turning back. It might have been in March , but now the forces have aligned . All we can do is to keep our course and resist at every turn.

275339 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #638 of 2225 🔗

This is exactly my point. The dystopian nightmare will be unbearable for the likes of us, but is what the collaborators truly deserve. Longevity is unimportant, all that matters is that we do not allow ourselves to be imprisoned for life.

275361 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Richard O, 6, #639 of 2225 🔗

Indeed… We just need to run on the outskirts of the HERD of modern moron sheeple! If they are running into a Cliff at the last moment we turn 90º and just watch the show.

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275301 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 9, #640 of 2225 🔗

They are our fellow citizens and we need to live with them – for our benefit as much as theirs. And they are victims of government propaganda and many people in positions of power and influence being complicit in it.

Certainly I find it hard to want to spend my remaining time on earth with them, but short of moving to some remote place we have to coexist.

I’m not excusing the laziness and gullibility, just don’t want to spend the rest of my life fuming with rage.

They have already been punished, they just don’t realise it yet.

275315 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 3, #641 of 2225 🔗

If the worst comes to the worst we go down with the sinking ship. Some on here will not deserve this fate, but it will be unavoidable.

275367 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, 2, #642 of 2225 🔗

You don’t have to “fume with rage”… Just pretend!

275379 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Richard O, 10, #643 of 2225 🔗

I’m finding that my vindictiveness is increasing by the day. Any compassion I had for the ignorance, arrogance or blind faith disappeared some months ago.

Having spoken to my brother in law over the weekend and heard the following;
“Its really good that non of our family have been effected by this situation (either the virus or the economic impact). ReallyI’m the only one thats really been negatively impacted”.

This from a metropolitan urbanite, living it large in his Surrey home, getting paid furlough for 6 months while refurbishing his house and garden. Offered a reduction in wage to keep the business going or redundancy, finds an alternative job in tech and swans off from the company thats been funding his afternoon pims sessions. Full redundancy paid.

This bastard is wilfully ignoring any of the wider problems in society, doesn’t care that small businesses are being killed off by the hour. You can actually hear him loosing interest anytime you mention anything negative. These prats are living in a bubble and don’t want to hear anything which breaks their own narrative, let alone the government one.

275458 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Mike, 5, #644 of 2225 🔗

I was speaking last Friday to a man who is professionally associated with NHS senior management and the Dept. of Health and Social Services. I usually keep my own counsel because I’m self employed and I have to occassionally ask him to pay me but he is very pro-lockdown/restrictions and one of those people who disinfects their shopping. He made a comment about never letting our guard down in this fight against the terrible virus so I responded by saying that as long as the woefully inaccurate PCR testing regime continues, the restrictions will never be lifted. His response to that was that false positives are not important as long as we ensure there are no false negatives.
I had to make an excuse and get away from him sharpish because I cannot afford to say what I wanted to say.

275535 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Monty Bodkin, 2, #645 of 2225 🔗

he is very pro-lockdown/restrictions and one of those people who disinfects their shopping


276980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Ceriain, 1, #646 of 2225 🔗

He does! Just before the recent lockdown began, he and his wife got back from a trip to Morrisons with a car load of provisions and said they’d put the kettle on and make me a cup of tea after they’d sprayed all the grocery packaging. There really are people like this. He’s a very senior academic: retired but still working on contract to Govt. and NHS. I don’t really care if he wants to boil his shopping or boil his head but the notion that false positive PCR tests are somehow irrelevant is what troubles me because it’s only the false positives which are keeping this whole melodrama running.

275275 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #647 of 2225 🔗

As for the “2nd waffle”… Have a look at the data crossing the start of the influenza jab and the start of more “false positives”.

This is the data for my Plantation (Portróikal – former Portugal)

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275605 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Voz 0db, #648 of 2225 🔗

Amazing no wonder our GP has been pushing us to have the flu vaccine, which neither of us has ever had before!

275621 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Bella Donna, #649 of 2225 🔗

About 99%* of GP are in it for the easy money… They don’t care about what happens to you.

*Probably being very naive not writing 100%!

275282 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 5, #650 of 2225 🔗


Anders Tegnell sidelined. They couldn’t have Sweden bucking the trend any longer.

275296 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JHuntz, 3, #651 of 2225 🔗

Hmm. What are the actual facts behind the attention-grabbing headline? Is this just speculation and tittle-tattle – almost every story in the MSM about Sweden has been misleading.

275306 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, 2, #652 of 2225 🔗

That’s the main goal of Main Shit Media trash Sweden until the day they START OBEYING the ORDERS of the SRF & Billionaires.

275312 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Julian, #653 of 2225 🔗

I can’t actually get past the paywall and I refuse to fund any rag paper.

275351 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JHuntz, #654 of 2225 🔗

Why waste time reading shit?!

275419 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #655 of 2225 🔗

So that when people quote it at us we can explain in what way it is shit

275492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #656 of 2225 🔗

Forewarned is forearmed.

275571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, #657 of 2225 🔗

Waste of time… If they are reading that shit you already know their thought process is screwed.

But let us know when that works out…

275841 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, #658 of 2225 🔗

I have read numerous accounts of conversions to scepticism, and have experienced it first hand, and the change in the number of voices speaking out against lockdowns is testament to that.

275297 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JHuntz, 8, #659 of 2225 🔗

Clearly a huge failure!!!

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THEY need to destroy SWEDEN any way possible… Can’t have a stray sheep showing ALL the others that this is all a BIG SCAM and FRAUD!

275316 ▶▶ Will, replying to JHuntz, 3, #660 of 2225 🔗

I would love to see the actual data on Sweden because I suspect the politicians have waded in late in the day to try and claim credit for “beating” the virus when herd immunity has already done the job, a bit like the second lockdown lies to which we are being treated in the UK.

275325 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to JHuntz, 1, #662 of 2225 🔗

As many commenters are pointing out, the data don’t support he narrative. Sweden has had no excess deaths for about five months, and looking at these data it seems like the “second wave” there has already peaked.

275352 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to mattghg, #663 of 2225 🔗

OK those may not be the best data, but these tell roughly the same story AFAICT.

275401 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to mattghg, #664 of 2225 🔗

So they have had a slight rise in “covid” deaths that is now dropping off. Looks like the politicians have got their timing just right to claim credit for “victory” over the virus which has been achieved by herd immunity.

275333 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JHuntz, 3, #665 of 2225 🔗

I knew Sweden would fall. The global Covid Cabal is too powerful. A friendly faced Swedish ‘scientist’ on Twitter has been criticising lockdowns whilst perpetuating the pandemic narrative. So transparent

275298 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 5, #666 of 2225 🔗

Even the most passionate lockdown supporter usually hates cronyism and corruption. If the media really takes up this issue (I suspect they won’t) surely Hancock will be forced to step down.

DISGRACE £30M Deal For Matt Hancock’s Pub Landlord – Jobs For The Boys

275330 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 8, #667 of 2225 🔗

The biggest hypocrites are the #FBPE mob who endlessly demonised Leave voters, blaming them for damaging the UK economy

The same #FBPE crowd who are calling for tougher locksdowns whilst businesses around them close their doors forever

275615 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, #668 of 2225 🔗

Agree, many people virtue signal about supporting small businesses but quickly abandon them to Globalist Multinationals.

275299 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #669 of 2225 🔗

This morning on BBC Breakfast Nicola Sturgeon tacitly admitted that the lockdown measures are voluntary. She was asked about the relaxation of the restrictions over the Christmas period. She explained that the reason for the relaxation was because people would have ignored the restrictions and there would have been a free for all; rather than allow that to happen the governments of the United Kingdom had introduced the relaxations in order to put boundaries around what people did so it does not get out of hand.

275307 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #670 of 2225 🔗

She, like Boris, makes it up as she goes along. Yet…the majority of the sheep just accept it.

275323 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #671 of 2225 🔗

I’m trying to see how Nicola Sturgeon has been independent throughout. She could have followed Sweden’s example and protected the economy and allowed the Scots she loves so dearly the freedom to live their lives

Instead she’s followed the Great Reset blueprint like every other globalist – destroying Scotland’s economy and quality of life for millions, pushing some to suicide

275370 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ben, 4, #672 of 2225 🔗

But there is no need – the magic money tree at No11 Downing Street means that whatever decisions she makes are covered by the UK Government.

275422 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 1, #673 of 2225 🔗

A fucking puppet, she could of come up smelling of roses if she didn’t lock down. Most of the plebs up here can’t see it

275328 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #674 of 2225 🔗

As a result of an earlier post I took a look at pro-Independence “Wings over Scotland.” Pretty scathing about her performance as FM. She may not survive until May’s elections because of the growing scandal of her attempt to fit up Alex Salmond.

275342 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #675 of 2225 🔗

I assume she’ll spin the line that she was forced into the 5 day relaxation “against our will”. So UKGov gets the blame again.

275374 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to kf99, 2, #676 of 2225 🔗

She’ll blame the UK Government. She always does this, and most Scots will, sadly, believe her. Rinse and repeat.

275386 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #677 of 2225 🔗

And questions are starting to be asked as to how successful she has been in relation to her stupid covid strategy.

275308 Julian, 7, #678 of 2225 🔗

I just got an email from the Recovery campaign suggesting I write to my MP in advance of the vote and at the bottom of their suggested list of points to make I found the below, which caught my eye. I don’t know why they have not been shouting this from the rooftops. Polling that shows the government doesn’t have the support they like to think/claim could be a powerful tool.

Independent polling by Yonder for Recovery on 25-26 November found that 77% of UK adults (three out of four people) support the Five Reasonable Demands with just 3% opposed.
An independent Yonder poll for Recovery on 11-12 November found that over 53% of those who expressed an opinion agreed with the statement that ‘SAGE should be urgently reviewed in the light of its recent performance.’
Results were based on a representative sample of 1,762 adults in England drawn from a panel of 200,000 UK adults.

275318 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 9, #679 of 2225 🔗

Wish I could get past the Times paywall to read this provocative piece from The Times: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kent-the-garden-of-england-in-tier-3-this-can-only-end-in-class-war-s63npprp7

Found some quotes from KentOnline which absolutely cracked me up:

“Last week the county of Kent was placed bodily in tier 3, all because the ghastly virus-addled plebs in Thanet can’t stop breathing over one another as they swallow jellied eels in some dilapidated phlegm-strewn seaside slum.
“Does the government not understand that we in proper Kent have nothing in common with those awful people? It’s not as if we ever see them for God’s sake.
“We are clean, decent Christian people, not ill bred, filth bedecked urchins who got the hell out of London because people even poorer than them and of a different colour had moved in.”

“Does the government not understand that we in proper Kent have nothing in common with those awful people? It’s not as if we ever see them, for God’s sake. Thanet and bloody Faversham are not what Julius Caesar was referring to when he described Cantium as the home of our island’s most civilised people. A night out in Margate would have disabused the bloke of that pretty quickly.”


275332 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Joseph, #680 of 2225 🔗

Click the reload button on browser and mash the escape key a few times, you can get past the pay wall probably.

275340 ▶▶▶ Joseph, replying to Two-Six, 2, #681 of 2225 🔗

Sadly didn’t work for me.

Shame as it’s so scandalous and controversial with some great language from what I’ve seen, made me laugh – bit evil but I’m a sucker for this sort of trolling sometimes!

275320 FenTyger, 1, #682 of 2225 🔗
275336 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 10, #683 of 2225 🔗

Ooo. I got a Facebook fact check from sharing the Dr Robert Hodkinson video. Silly me not paying attention to the science again.

275391 ▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to muzzle, 1, #684 of 2225 🔗

If only we could organise to get Facebook users to migrate to BitChute or BrandNewTube. How many would do it?

275577 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Ross Hendry, #685 of 2225 🔗

Who owns BitChute and BrandNewTube?

276060 ▶▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to BJJ, #686 of 2225 🔗

Don’t know. They’re an alternative to Youtube and they don’t censor madly like them. I suppose I really meant there should be an alternative equivalent to Facebook who are laughably (?) censorious and “fact checking”.

275630 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Ross Hendry, #687 of 2225 🔗

I’m trying to share some sceptic scientist based material with my mainstream friend group so even if I moved to a different platform, my target audience would not.

275337 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #688 of 2225 🔗

Nicola Turdgeon’s parents must be delighted, imagine having to spend Christmas Day with that twat

275353 ▶▶ anon, replying to Cecil B, 6, #689 of 2225 🔗

except satan doesn’t celebrate christmas

275445 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to anon, 2, #690 of 2225 🔗

BBC are interrupting the snooker today to bring us her conference speech. UK wide I believe. So a total party political broadcast even more so than the daily updates.

275568 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to kf99, #691 of 2225 🔗

Bit like the Soviet

275354 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 18, #692 of 2225 🔗

“Are ye awright oor at that windae, Maw?”

“It’s a bit bit cauld, hen, tae tell ye the truth! Can ah no shut it a bit?”

“Well, it’s fir yer ain good, Maw. Well, naw, it’s actually fir ma ain good . Kin ye imagine the papers if ah killed ma ain maw wi’ the Covid? They’d be aw oor me. Da, open that windae a wee tad mair, and let aw that Covid oot!”

“Mair totties, Maw, tae help waarm ye up? Mind ye use yer ain spoon, noo!”

275357 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Cecil B, 12, #693 of 2225 🔗

Just read this in the DT:

“Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said she will not have an “indoor Christmas dinner” with her parents this year due to the coronavirus pandemic.
She told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Normally, Christmas, my husband and I would have both our families here in our own home. We will not be doing that this year.
“I’ve not seen my parents since July and I would dearly love to see them today and at Christmas, but I don’t want to put them at risk when a vaccine is so close.
“We might go and have a family walk somewhere, but the idea … of an indoors Christmas dinner is something we will not do this year.””

Sturgeon is truly a sociopath!

275366 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ozzie, 6, #694 of 2225 🔗

A narcissistic sociopath, as some have observed.

275368 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ozzie, 6, #695 of 2225 🔗

Please note. Turdgeon’s parents have made no attempt to contact her

Think I would have kept that to myself Nicola

275398 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cecil B, 7, #696 of 2225 🔗

1.2 million people voted for SNP. That they did so is their shame and not ours. Hope it pisses down on Christmas Day and it’s freezing. That will hell wee Nicola’s aged parents no end.

275426 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Leemc23, 3, #697 of 2225 🔗

Well, it is Scotland in December. So, it probably will be pissing it down and freezing! The difference this year to all previous years is that people won’t be able to go out and enjoy themselves to overcome that for Hogmanay.

To any Scottish people on this site – sorry about the weather comment ;-). Also, I went to Hogmanay a couple of years ago in Edinburgh and loved it. Definitely my best ever new years.

275528 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kenadams, 2, #698 of 2225 🔗

To any Scottish people on this site – sorry about the weather comment ;-).

Don’t be, Ken, it’s true. 😉

We visit the wife’s mother in Central Scotland twice a year and the skies are always grey for the whole period. My wife says that’s just because I have to visit her mother, and it’s all in my head; I know different. 😉

276647 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to kenadams, 1, #699 of 2225 🔗

Hogmanay is shit and it’s even worse now we have to put up with all these bloody tourists. Why can’t they fuck off someplace else and leave us in peace?

275343 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 1, #700 of 2225 🔗

Does anyone know the number of ‘flu cases and deaths vs CV-19 cases and deaths this year?

275565 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #702 of 2225 🔗

It’s a COVIDIUS Miracle… Many more will follow!

275567 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #703 of 2225 🔗


275515 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Anothersceptic2, #705 of 2225 🔗

Well when you aren’t doing a lot of testing for it when there was a surge in respiratory conditions, it’s not surprising.

275346 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #706 of 2225 🔗

NOTHING CAN STOP THE CHARIOT of the Secular Ruling Families and Billionaires…

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specially NOT a herd of modern moron slaves!

275403 ▶▶ chris, replying to Voz 0db, -4, #707 of 2225 🔗


275415 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to chris, 8, #708 of 2225 🔗

I’m not especially fond of most of Voz 0db posts, and find the references to moron slaves a bit wearing, but he/she seems pretty anti-lockdown, just with very firm views on the agenda behind it and a rather aggressive way of expressing them. But not sure that calling he/she a troll is accurate.

275495 ▶▶▶▶ chris, replying to Julian, -3, #709 of 2225 🔗

Just seems like a troublemaker to me.

275501 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chris, 4, #710 of 2225 🔗

The troublemakers are in parliament. If everyone thought like Voz we wouldn’t be in this mess.

275560 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JHuntz, #711 of 2225 🔗

Funny… but we the FEW are fucked.

275555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to chris, #712 of 2225 🔗

Yes moron slave be a good boy and obey…

275556 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, #713 of 2225 🔗

Do you think you are a “free human”?!

275838 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, #714 of 2225 🔗

I used to be freer than I am now. Prior to the Coronapanic I was as free as I felt I needed to be, and thought the tradeoffs between freedom and security and the benefits that living in society brings were reasonable and not based on flat-out lies. Doubtless you’ll tell me that was foolish.

By all means paint us a picture of what freedom looks like.

276548 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, #715 of 2225 🔗

No, that’s not foolishness. That is just the description of a regular modern Plantation. We enjoy that current trade off, especially if we’re most of the time on the receiving part.

For me freedom equals to absolute responsibility.

In our current state we are not allowed to be Responsible. If you even try to live such a Life the herd will pursue you and if necessary the “society” is ready to end your existence if it feels threatened by you.

275564 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to chris, #716 of 2225 🔗

Hello moron slave!

What are you afraid of?

275348 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #717 of 2225 🔗

As Robin Tillbrook said was it panic or planning It has now come out that the Government entered into the largest advertising deal ever entered into by a British Government. This was signed off on the 2 nd March and was to manage the Government’s communications strategy to sell Lockdown to the public. How long before was the contracting process going on.

275417 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #718 of 2225 🔗

I’ve tried to tell the dozing people this, it has all been planned. They are all in on it.

275425 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to stefarm, #719 of 2225 🔗

Most people can’t be bothered to listen, they are focused on following the rules to get back to normal………

275356 Cecil B, 35, #720 of 2225 🔗

It’s a strange land where all the honest, decent hard working people are criminals, and corrupt lying thieves make the laws

275360 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #721 of 2225 🔗

There you go Dido working on the HealthID

275383 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 13, #722 of 2225 🔗

Very worrying. Do not comply with this stuff ever. It is a large part of the armory to control

275392 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 7, #723 of 2225 🔗

Well, she’s going to have to some.

I’ve been looking at the download numbers for ‘the app’, and as far as Google Play (Android phones) is concerned, it’s not looking too great.

Google Play recorded 5 million downloads in the first couple of days after the September 24th launch. 9 weeks later, it’s still showing 5 million + downloads, so it’s yet to hit 10 million for Android phones (the next landmark Google reports).

The last time I heard Handjob report on the app, he claimed there had been 19 million downloads, and that was a few weeks ago. There would have to have been a shitload of downloads on iPhones to make up the 19 million he claimed. (Apple don’t publish download figures, so difficult to get numbers.)

I doubt the uptake of the app is what they claim it is.

275409 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 2, #724 of 2225 🔗

I do wonder if lockdown is our punishment for not downloading the shite

275416 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 3, #725 of 2225 🔗

That’s the purpose of lockdown – so we surrender

275406 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 2, #726 of 2225 🔗

Woah, this is just a conspiracy theory right?

If there’s one good thing in that article, it’s this:

T cells — which can’t be detected by the ‘have you had it’ antibody tests — made in response to the infection may offer a form of immunity that lasts several times longer.

T cells are a type of white blood cell that are a key component of the immune system and help fight off disease.

Other scientific studies have shown people who have had a common cold in the past two years have T cells that show ‘cross-reactive protection’ against Covid-19.

275411 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 4, #727 of 2225 🔗

Has she got shares in the technology? I just wonder

275727 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Victoria, 1, #728 of 2225 🔗

That’s not good – glad it doesn’t work on my old iPhone – buggered if I’m gonna get a new one for that crap!

275365 Bill Gisz, replying to Bill Gisz, 12, #729 of 2225 🔗

Given the current madness is being policed in an increasingly Authoritarian manner, by people who will one day no doubt declare that they were only following orders, I’m reminded of the words of Dr Robert M. Kaplan, writing on the ‘Nuremberg Defence’:

“the routine response of morally attrophied nonentities”.

275408 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bill Gisz, 7, #730 of 2225 🔗

A handful of evil politicians have no power on their own. It’s the foot soldiers who enact the evil

275372 calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #731 of 2225 🔗

The phenomenon of covid-19 has had virtually zero impact on US mortality, although some extra deaths due to lockdown measures, social isolation and unnecessary intubation have occurred.

Deaths were simply reclassified.

Table courtesy of Genevieve Briand.

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275402 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, #732 of 2225 🔗

I am still perplexed by this. According to CDC figures, all-cause mortality in the US showed a notable increase this year as compared to 5-year average – similar to the UK.

275420 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 3, #733 of 2225 🔗

As of mid-November the US is on track for an approximately 1.3% increase in mortality over 2019, similar to the 2019 increase over 2018.

A result of increasing average age, combined with deteroirating social and economic conditions.

All cause mortality will, in my opinion, now start to increase as missed or postponed cancer screenings and operations, social isolation and economic dislocation begin to take their inevitable toll.

275454 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, #734 of 2225 🔗

Do you have a source for those figures please?

275464 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #735 of 2225 🔗

The fact that the US is currently in a period of quite sharply increasing deaths, year on year, is highlighted here:


Note that that is the death rate – the numbers are compounded by the fact that the population is also growing.

So there is an issue of whether “excess death” figures have accounted for that “baked in” increase or not.

Of course, it’s tedious to comparatively analyse partial year figures, so it will be easier to judge once we have the full year figures.

275549 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Mark, #736 of 2225 🔗

Somebody posted a graph on here the other day, where it shows excess deaths in the US is just over 11 K more than in a normal year.

275563 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BJJ, #737 of 2225 🔗

I think that was the Johns Hopkins report by Genevieve Briand, from which the table referenced in the post above came, wasn’t it?

275377 Stef, 1, #738 of 2225 🔗

Scotland had many more deaths and cases compared to Sweden even with strict lockdown measures. Still need to hear that from MSM

275378 Mark, 2, #739 of 2225 🔗

Good discussion of death stats from 24th Nov by Joel Smalley. Presumably this will have been posted here somewhere, but if so I missed it:

COVID 19 Summary 24th Nov

275380 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #740 of 2225 🔗


New York pushed back on religious ceremonies being restricted.

275397 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #741 of 2225 🔗

At last there seems to be an actual majority on the US Supreme Court who are committed to applying the law and the constitution as written/intended rather than reinterpreting it according to their perception of the latest thinking. No point in having a constitution if it’s not frozen/difficult to change.

275382 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #742 of 2225 🔗

Keir Starmer to hold talks with Whitty on the tier system.
Labour to continue supporting the Lockdown and fascism then.

275400 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PatrickF, 9, #743 of 2225 🔗

If there are ever elections again – I shall never vote Labour.

275405 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ben, 8, #744 of 2225 🔗

I hope ‘None of the Above’ gets a handsome majority!

275672 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to PatrickF, 1, #745 of 2225 🔗

Labour to press for tier 4 more like

275412 Cristi.Neagu, 11, #746 of 2225 🔗

Funny how when someone complains about a climate of fear that makes it extremely difficult for people with dissenting viewpoints to voice their opinions, the left seeks to prove them wrong that no such climate of fear exists by creating a climate of fear that makes it extremely difficult for people with dissenting viewpoints to voice their opinion.

275413 Sceptic, replying to Sceptic, 1, #747 of 2225 🔗

Can someone please explain how case numbers are going down now if this is a pure false positive epidemic? Testing is continuing to go up, not down, so if this is all false positive driven it should continue to rise. I don’t believe this is addressed in this post.

275449 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Sceptic, 2, #748 of 2225 🔗

A very simplistic explanation (which may not be true at all) is this:
False positives come not only from a test being contaminated. It can also come from detecting virus debris left after the immune system shreds the virus to bits. As time goes on, there is less virus present in the population, therefore less virus to be shredded by immune systems, therefore less false positives. So you’re still getting some, but the number is going down.
It could also be that, if false positives come from lab contamination, the labs are getting cleaner and cleaner as less virus comes in.

275457 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #749 of 2225 🔗

It can be helpful to distinguish between “false positives” (no viral material present in person), “cold positives” (viral fragments, no symptoms, not infectious) and “lukewarm positives” (active virus, low load, no symptoms, not infectious).

The first category encompasses any number of processing and environmental issues; the latter two assume correct testing but the positive result is not actually meaningful in a personal or public health context.

275522 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #750 of 2225 🔗

They might have ordered the labs to use fewer cycles. It is easy to manipulate the “data” by various methods.

275542 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #751 of 2225 🔗

An excellent explanation, thank you.

276575 ▶▶▶ Sceptic, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #752 of 2225 🔗

And that just so happens to coincide exactly with lockdown? Come on that’s a bit of a coincidence and I don’t believe this is a conspiracy to somehow manupulate the false positives to show lockdown works either.

Occam’s razor would say that cases rose because it’s winter. They then plateued because they reached a critical mass and have now declined (and it’s not at all clear how much of that if any is due to lockdown).

275453 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sceptic, 2, #753 of 2225 🔗

I think it’s best to look at numbers of people dying or in ICU for any cause, and see if that’s roughly normal for this time of year

275460 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Julian, #754 of 2225 🔗

That’s not entirely representative, as this is far from a normal year, any way you look at it.

275791 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Sceptic, #755 of 2225 🔗

I don’t know, maybe they’re testing at the correct amount of cycles as opposed to the fraud inducing amount previously? Or, maybe these numbers weren’t plucked out of their arses? Give your phone or laptop a sniff. That test is usually bang on.

275430 Dan Clarke, 4, #756 of 2225 🔗

See Wales is going to be banged up again, it would be safer to bang up the instigators of this madness.

275431 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #757 of 2225 🔗

Today, the government is supposed to be publishing a cost benefit analysis of the lockdown responses to the virus. It ought not to need mentioning but surely this should have been done before the government introduced its lockdown measures on 23 March 2020. The fact that the government did not do so was a scandal. But a much greater scandal was that it had not made any attempt to assess even how made people would die as a result of the government’s lockdown measures. This was admitted by Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, on 10 April 2020 at the Coronavirus Daily Update. The fact that the government is now (as a result of backbench Tories threatening a rebellion) prepared to publish an analysis should not be seen as an improvement because it is highly likely that the assessment is being written to justify the policy: such assessments should be made before the policy, not months later.

275447 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #758 of 2225 🔗

I have just pointed out to my MP in my latest email (not that she’ll read it or take any notice) that releasing whatever poor excuse for an analysis they spew out less than 48 hours before the vote is outrageous and should not be accepted by MPs. The intention is surely to limit any scrutiny and prevent MPs taking advice from other sources about the content which is something they must do if they have learned any lessons at all over the last 9 months.

I also assured her that if MPs are threatened that we revert to full lockdown if the tiers aren’t voted through, this is still the right choice. There is no defence for accepting a few crumbs of comfort on behalf of constituents in place of a proportionate, long-term strategy that reflects facts not fear. I expect her to vote with the Government. She makes sceptical noises but always caves in the end.

275450 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #759 of 2225 🔗

I’m going to predict that this cost benefit analysis, if it is indeed produced, will be deemed “not in the public interest”, just like the report on grooming gangs.

275432 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #760 of 2225 🔗

Daily Mail: NHS worker who resigned after claiming ‘Covid is a hoax’ films herself going to ’empty’ London A&E.

275479 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #761 of 2225 🔗

I’m surprised more hasn’t been done like this

275489 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Dan Clarke, #762 of 2225 🔗

British people are reluctant to rock the boat too much, from what i’ve seen.

275844 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #763 of 2225 🔗

Consistent with this 30 minute podcast of four empty hospitals in Belfast, including A&E Departments with doors locked to outside clients.


275433 Ned of the Hills, 7, #764 of 2225 🔗

I’ve just sent my Tory MP the following email. It will do no good as she’ll slavishly follow “Boris”. But I’ve angled it to encourage her to think she might be able to ‘save’ him.

Dear Ms. ………

I’m very concerned that the government is being badly advised.

On the 3rd November Chris Whitty told the Commons Science and Technology Committee:-

“hospitalisations are on an “exponential curve” upwards, with inpatient numbers topping 10,000 in England today and set to increase.”

These were frightening words. It caused this country to go into lockdown.

But his implied projection has proved wildly inaccurate.

The increase in numbers had dramatically slowed by the 18th (on that day there were 13,626).  They peaked on the 23rd at 13,767.

This can not be due to the lockdown which began on the 5th. Chris Whitty has said it takes two to three weeks for the effects of lockdown to appear.

So the lockdown would seem to have been unnecessary !

The government, however, is still making its decisions based on his judgement and people like him.

Please use your vote tomorrow to stop the government blighting peoples lives and destroying more livelihoods for no good purpose.


275435 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 10, #765 of 2225 🔗

Credit to someone called lazarus10 on Going Postal for this one

I was going to tell everyone a joke about Covid-19. But I’m not going to since 99.9% of you won’t get it.

275714 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Biggles, 1, #766 of 2225 🔗

(Mock) “groan!”

Lol – I’m a bit of a saddo I’ll use that one!

275440 ChrisH29, replying to ChrisH29, 11, #767 of 2225 🔗

In the past couple of weeks there has been yet another suspicious piece of data mis-management by the Government. For weeks now they have published weekly data on the Test and Trace system, including the number of positive tests in the various Pillars. For the past couple of releases they have not included the data relating to the number of positive results in each.

This development seems to fit in well with Dr. Yeadon’s treatise today.

For background the NHS explains each Pillar thus:

  • pillar 1: swab testing in Public Health England (PHE) labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need , and health and care workers
  • pillar 2: swab testing for the wider population, as set out in government guidance

(my highlight).

One could be forgiven therefore, for assuming that since Pillar 1 tests are conducted on those with clinical need there would most likely be a higher percentage of positives results than in Pillar 2, which would approximate more closely to the general population. Although it is likely that those suspecting that they are infected would be more likely to seek a test so would probably have a higher propensity to be infected than the general population and certainly more fearful of the relatively benign pathogen.

This assumption, however, has not been borne out by the data. Throughout the mass testing programme the proportion of positive results in Pillar 2 has been twice that of Pillar 1, reaching a staggering 11.6% in late September and 10
9% in October. Immediately after this 10.9% of positive Pillar 2 results (against 4.8% of Pillar 1 for the same period – week ending 28the October) the release of this breakdown of results has ceased.

Could this reduction in the data release be due to chronic contamination that that Dr. Yeadon speculates on today?

I am not certain but it seems highly likely and a further datum undermining the veracity of the Government and SAGE’s stance throughout this fiasco.

It might be worth contemplating one other possible inference of the the high Pillar 2 results. If these laboratories are NOT contaminated and the test results not useless, then they might betaken at face value, as in fact the Government are doing for they are formulating policy on their basis.

This would imply, would it not that circa 10% of the population were infected at any one time, which is worth further consideration. It is widely reported that this virus is infectious for a period of less than 14 days, even if R were only 1, this would imply that the entire country would have been infected in 18 weeks. (Yes, I know this is fanciful, I am not suggesting that it is reality).

This could not occur, for long before that eventuality the blocking of infection pathways would occur and herd immunity would become dominant force, which even without the prior immunity discussed by Dr. Yeadon, would imply that the Great Plague is not more, if it ever was. But what it does imply is that the either there is no longer an epidemic worthy of the name, at worst the virus is now endemic, or the information on which this Government are imprisoning the population, destroying the economy and spending staggering sums of money, is based almost entirely on false and misleading data.

The remaining question is why? The best case it is because John-Son, Wancock, are highly educated but profoundly unintelligent, while Whiltless and Valuless are just currying favour in the hope of career advancement. If this is not true then the situation is very much worse for these people are deliberately destroying the economy, jobs, futures and lives – killing many thousands, deliberately. That would be entirely unforgivable.

PS – Please forgive the, no doubt numerous typos herein, I am writing it on a small iPhone which makes it difficult to efficiently proof.

275461 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to ChrisH29, #768 of 2225 🔗

Yes, I think you’re on to something. They surely can’t have it both ways on these “case” numbers.

275463 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to ChrisH29, #769 of 2225 🔗

Just a point of information. I think technically, the Pillar 2 tests were for people with symptoms. The criteria were:

“You can only get a free NHS test if at least one of the following applies:

  • you have a high temperature
  • you have a new, continuous cough
  • you’ve lost your sense of smell or taste or it’s changed
  • you’ve been asked to by a local council
  • you’re taking part in a government pilot project.”
275487 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #770 of 2225 🔗

PHE’s own research showed that many, many people lied about having symptoms to get a test – and surely more in reality than actually admitted to it when asked. Dido Harding reported this fact at a SciTech Committee hearing. Since September many parents will have felt they had not choice but to invent symptoms to get their children a test since schools have demanded it before they let them back.

Councils, including my own, have now advised people to go for a test if they have ‘precautionary symptoms’ including sore throat, sneezing, headaches, aches and pains and diarrhea in children.

I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you suggest!

275496 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Charlie Blue, #771 of 2225 🔗

Yes, I take your point. I believe that in September / October many students (possibly tens of thousands) took Pillar 2 tests, many of whom did not have symptoms. I tried to get information about how these tests were initiated from the University of Northumbria and Newcastle City Council through FOI requests, but these were not successful.

275499 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Charlie Blue, #772 of 2225 🔗

and when you look at the set up and the staffing of the drive in test centres one would not think anyone gets turned away. Do we know the process for these. ?

275483 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to ChrisH29, 1, #773 of 2225 🔗

For the past couple of releases they have not included the data relating to the number of positive results in each.

Chris, the full data is still there; the data table is here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/938530/NHS_T_T_data_tables_w25.ods

I’ve shown a tidied up version below for easier reading.

276141 ▶▶▶ ChrisH29, replying to Ceriain, 1, #774 of 2225 🔗

Thanks Ceriain,

Unfortunately, I cannot open those files they appear to be ‘Zip’ that my Mac won’t open

276294 ▶▶▶ ChrisH29, replying to Ceriain, 1, #775 of 2225 🔗

I have tried on a PC and that appears to work. Thank you, that link is much appreciated.

275441 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 6, #776 of 2225 🔗

Lockdown love diagnosed: “ There are quite a number of prisoners who prefer life in prison to life outside: Prison obviates the need to make decisions, and choice for some people is distinctly discomfiting. They want others to make all the decisions for them, even in the smallest matters.”

by the ever sound Theodore Dalrymple, here: the-decline-of-cultural-understanding

275473 ▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to TyRade, 2, #777 of 2225 🔗

I love his work but he’s been a massive disappointment on covid.

275443 Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #778 of 2225 🔗

One of the strongest protections for ordinary folk has always been the sheer cost of monitoring people and gathering data about them. There are in practice very few controls on what the security state can do if it chooses (the supposed protections only operate when there is sufficient lack of elite dislike for the victims to make politicians, police, lawyers, media types and “human rights” workers actually do their jobs for them), the real protection for most of us is that it is highly unlikely any of the very few people with access to the security state’s resources will take any particular interest in us as individuals.

Technology, however, is rapidly reducing the cost of such monitoring.

That’s an issue on the macro level, because it is probably no longer true that a totalitarian state like East Germany would “run out of people to spy on the others”. But it’s also a concern for us as individuals, on the micro level, right here and right now.

The kinds of monitoring powers and levels of information that would formerly have required a national government level security operation, or at least a high level police investigation, to deploy and collect are now coming into reach for the petty scumbags of local government. The scope for over-zealous enforcement of petty rules, harassment of individuals for petty political or personal vendettas or rivalries, or just plain nosiness, is increasing year by year.

Consider the prospect of your local council apparatchiks having full information on your private life. Get used to the idea.

The Covid data spies paid to know ALL your secrets: Town halls harvest millions of highly personal details including if you’re being unfaithful or having unsafe sex

  • A private firm inked deals with local authorities to gather data that can be used to predict who is likely to break lockdown, creating risk analyses for households
  • The system, called Covid OneView, is produced by data analytics firm Xantura
  • Councils said the aim is to help identify those most at risk from coronavirus
  • MPs have said the system lacks transparency and its not clear why so much information about residents’ lives was needed

PUBLISHED: 22:01, 27 November 2020 | UPDATED: 02:14, 28 November 2020

275448 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #779 of 2225 🔗

Indeed. You just have to look at how AI is used in censorship.

275444 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 6, #780 of 2225 🔗

Just taking the idea of mass emails to our MPs further, what do you think of us playing psychops back at the Government.

What I mean is a mass of emails to MPs with very slim majorities the thinking being, so what if they’re not our own MP – that only obliges them to respond but we’re not asking them to respond. We’re just telling them that the peasants are revolting and that if they vote in parliament tomorrow for the new measures, it will decimate livelihoods but we, the electorate will not forget that both Conservative and Labour together have done this and they should be under no illusion that if they destroy the jobs of others, don’t expect to keep your seat. The decimation of the Labour party in Scotland and in the red wall should be a salutary lesson to ALL sitting MPs.

Might make them think …..

Here’s a list of all the constituencies with the narrowest majorities. It’s from the Independent but they didn’t list the actual MP but that’s easy enough to find)

  • Aberdeenshire West & Kincardine (Conservative) – 843
  • Alyn & Deeside (Labour) – 213
  • Bedford (Labour) – 145
  • Blyth Valley (Conservative) – 712
  • Bolton North East (Conservative) – 378
  • Bury North (Conservative) – 105
  • Bury South (Conservative) – 402
  • Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (Lib Dem) – 204
  • Carshalton & Wallington (Conservative) – 629
  • Coventry North West (Labour) – 208
  • Coventry South (Labour) – 401
  • Dagenham & Rainham (Labour) -293
  • Delyn (Conservative) – 865
  • Dunbartonshire East (SNP) – 149
  • Fermanagh & South Tyrone (Sinn Féin) – 57
  • Gedling (Conservative) – 679
  • Gordon (Conservative) – 819
  • Heywood & Middleton (Conservative) – 663
  • High Peak (Conservative) – 590
  • Kensington (Conservative) – 150
  • Moray (Conservative) – 513
  • Newport West (Labour) – 902
  • Sheffield Hallam (Labour) – 712
  • Stoke-on-Trent Central (Conservative) – 670
  • Wansbeck (Labour) – 814
  • Warwick & Leamington (Labour) – 789
  • Weaver Vale (Labour) – 562
  • Wimbledon (Conservative) – 628
  • Winchester (Conservative) – 985
275624 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 7, #781 of 2225 🔗

Here’s what I sent to mine this morning. Safe seat but for how much longer?

We are writing to express our strong desire that you vote against the introduction of the Tier system when it is put before Parliament this week. For Wetherby, Boston Spa, Clifford and Bramham to be in Tier 3 is ludicrous and nothing less than continued lockdown. It is apparent from the data that the Leeds hotspots are in the inner city, hospital and University wards, ten or more miles away. The outlying rural areas have more in common with North Yorkshire than Harehills and we should not be forced to suffer by dint of who collects our bins.

As a member of the 1922 Committee, you should know that Boris Johnson has lost the support of huge swathes of the country and is on borrowed time. His ineptitude, indecisiveness and intellectual limitations in critically analysing the scenarios and data put to him by scientists have been exposed for all to see. He appears to be a hostage to SAGE suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Do not be tarnished by association with him. Do you want to be remembered as the MP who threw his area under the bus? Because believe me, you will be.

It is time for the economic costs of lockdown to be balanced with the advice of SAGE, which by its nature has tunnel vision. The cure is now much worse than the disease, which for those under the average age of death in this country has a better than 99.7% survival rate. We cannot continue to sacrifice the economy in order to “protect” the NHS. We know from what we see around us that the NHS is not ”overwhelmed” and that Covid cases have simply displaced those for flu and pneumonia in a relatively bad year. The NHS exists to serve those who pay for it, and any suggestion that we “protect” it is ridiculous.

We need our local businesses, our pubs and restaurants to be open. They were careful and did not cause the so-called second wave, the data clearly shows that this dates from the necessary re-opening of schools and universities. Which was fine, because young people do not die of Covid any more than they would from flu. Cases identified by the increasingly unreliable PCR tests are not deadly infections. People should be allowed to assess their own risk and proceed accordingly.

I have not mentioned long term mental health issues, people living in fear, single people denied a social life or human contact, the joy that has been sucked out of our existence by bans on singing, dancing, sport, worship. The Taliban could not have done a better job.

All we ask, Alec, is that you show some backbone and represent the interests of your own constituents, not your lame-duck party leader. We are all watching and we will remember what you did.

275629 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #782 of 2225 🔗

Great letter!

275628 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #783 of 2225 🔗

I’m in Coventry North West. The MP is a 55 IQ moron.

275456 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #784 of 2225 🔗

From the Express and Star (Wolverhampton): All black country tory mp’s back new lockdown.
Hang your heads in shame, you bootlicking creeps!

275478 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #785 of 2225 🔗

Er….is that Black Country MPs, or ethnically black, countryside MPs?

275557 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lms23, #786 of 2225 🔗

The 1st (assorted ethnicities).

275465 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 8, #787 of 2225 🔗

I can`t believe The Guardian is crowing that Nottingham University is “fast tracking” the student party goers to “exclusion”.

Defund this madness – do not pay for substandard zoom education and well done those students for having party time !

275475 ▶▶ Mark, replying to nickbowes, 14, #788 of 2225 🔗

Because the Guardian editors, managers and writers, by and large, are arrogant, bullying, authoritarian fanatic scum.

Hadn’t you noticed that already? It’s not a new phenomenon.

275690 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, #789 of 2225 🔗

I’m embarrassed to admit it was relatively recently I discovered that “it” was only able to continue publication because of the trust type of funding model it enjoys and despite bugger all sales, is able to continue publishing all the BS and lies that it does.

275855 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mark, #790 of 2225 🔗

They are heavily linked into the security services and are heavily invested in the establishment.

275476 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to nickbowes, 6, #791 of 2225 🔗

The Guardian is letting its inner fascist show.

275477 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Lms23, 9, #792 of 2225 🔗

I don’t think it’s particularly inner – they are pretty much wearing their fascism with pride

275523 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lms23, 4, #793 of 2225 🔗

As we say in Somerset, scratch a hippy find a fascist.

275533 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Will, #794 of 2225 🔗

Wise words 🙂

275538 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Will, #795 of 2225 🔗

Pretty much the conclusion of Joan Didion’s essay, Slouching Towards Bethlehem. Online too.

275698 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Will, #796 of 2225 🔗


Are you supposed to get that close to them now?

A good sense of smell has caused me to avoid wherever possible!

275493 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nickbowes, 8, #797 of 2225 🔗

I’ve posted on the recent history of the Guardian before – it really is worth looking at the way in which a once genuinely independent newspaper was corrupted – to the extent of losing any credibility in terms of its reporting, and joining the rest of the media.

275858 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to nickbowes, #798 of 2225 🔗

Well, the National Union of Students should be all over this legally.

275485 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, #800 of 2225 🔗

Hardly what the media would lead people to believe is it.

275531 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #801 of 2225 🔗

A tune needed me thinks –

Roy Orbison – It’s Over


275470 CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #802 of 2225 🔗

Quick survey. How many of these “15 signs you are in an abusive relationship” apply to your relationship with the government (or that of those people under their spell)? Very sinister! Apologies if this is triggering for anyone. You have the power to break free… trust those of us who have survived.

275471 Lms23, 11, #803 of 2225 🔗

“The police would surely be more reluctant to start brutalising a large crowd of peaceful carol singers. Even our media would struggle to present that as a proportionate response. ”

Want to bet? They’d ignore the Carol-singing bit, or portray it as another means of spreading the virus, and arrest people just the same. They’d spin it negatively somehow, but maybe it’s something worth trying. Wear Xmas-themed clothing…or better yet, wear BLM t-shirts….

275481 Jo, replying to Jo, 5, #804 of 2225 🔗

Has anyone seen this?

Is it part of the evidence for Reiner Fuellmich’s prosecution? Note international authors, inc M Yeadon and C Craig

275490 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo, 3, #805 of 2225 🔗

It’s going into their case and one other I believe in Netherlands

275482 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #806 of 2225 🔗

Can the police fine English shoppers, for shopping in Wales, is this even legal, are they making ‘laws’ up as they go along

275527 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #807 of 2225 🔗

Who knows. The police certainly won’t know, that’s certain.

275644 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #808 of 2225 🔗

It’s still contrary to Welsh coronavirus laws to cross the border from England unless deemed ‘essential travel’. So, technically, anyone crossing the border to shop in Wales could find themselves challenged and fined by the police.

276764 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Dodderydude, #809 of 2225 🔗

I did it armed with a welshpool poscode even though I live in Telford….went in a nice cafe and hotel.

275494 Mike, replying to Mike, 14, #810 of 2225 🔗

I must admit I can’t help thinking that there is a definite ‘Brexit’ feel to this whole madness. By that I mean that I find on a day to day basis the people I have to deal with are for the most part pro-lockdown, full blown covid converts, each one of which spout the party line without a thought that their view may not be the only view.

I also find that people who may well be sceptical are biting their tongue (myself included – sometimes) to avoid causing trouble or getting ridiculed. Where I’ve come across likeminded people it has felt almost as if we need to hide away or speak in hushed tones to avoid triggering the people around us (matrix type situation – the system knows).

The closest to this I’ve ever felt before was the Brexit vote. Once again, I found the remainers were more than happy to shout about their vote and opinions, but brexiteers were pretty much keeping their head down and trying to get on with life.

I know its probably been discussed previously but does anyone else find a correlation with the types of people (obviously not all)?

275504 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mike, 3, #811 of 2225 🔗

I started out assuming that coronapanic scepticism would be heavily correlated with euroscepticism. But there are a lot of remainers or former remainers here, who strongly argued the contrary and when I investigated for myself a couple of months back, I found there was some polling info and analysis that suggested there was a very slight tendency that way, but not really all that significant.

But the similarity of “feel” is definitely the case. Probably to do with the intensity of feeling, and the kind of people you talk to regularly, along with the fact that people espousing the elite received opinion (which is definitely coronapanic, as it was definitely remain) tend to be louder because they think “everyone who is anyone” agrees with them, and only uneducated louts, thickos and troublemakers could disagree.

Hopefully, they are as wrong on that in regard to the coronapanic as remainers proved to be on Brexit.

275506 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Mike, 1, #812 of 2225 🔗

Very much so, generally: the zealots are the kind who can’t countenance the idea that anyone could think differently to them, and that people that do are worthy only of contempt. Just as it was with the Brexit vote.

Round here, a majority Leave-area, I do know plenty of older people who voted for Brexit who are not the kind of lockdown zealot you find among the professional middle class, but who have been scared stiff of catching it by the government so are staying in. Which is not quite the same thing.

275509 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mike, 3, #813 of 2225 🔗

There are many parallels. Not least the clear and constant media bias. I discuss this with my foreign colleagues quite regularly. Yes, they’re having to deal with covidbollocks like all of us, but at least they aren’t doing it off the back of four years or brexit bollocks.

275679 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to leggy, 2, #814 of 2225 🔗

I do think a lot of people here in the UK are very mindful, whichever “side” they were originally on during Brexit, of the similarity of feel that someone is trying to force them to accept something they don’t want and are using dirty tricks to try to get them to comply.

The thing I, and I think many others, find weird is that someone who we thought (BJ) was at least a libertarian and despite reservations about his um…intelligence at least wouldn’t be forced into this crap.

As you say, media has much to do with the incessant lying narrative many sheeple fall into believing.

275510 ▶▶ steph, replying to Mike, 4, #815 of 2225 🔗

I think I agree but there are some among us brave enough to speak up. I tend to put out feelers and if there is a sensible response I will start to engage. If it’s the “if only everybody complied, we’d be out if this nonsense” reposted then I’m afraid I don’t out myself. They are impervious anyway.
I assume you are not suggesting this splits down Brexit lines because I think we see on here people from all political views can be sceptical.

275601 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to steph, 1, #816 of 2225 🔗

No not suggesting that. Just can’t shake the parallels with the interactions. I’m finding that quite odd.

275511 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Mike, 2, #817 of 2225 🔗

Not so much the types of people, sceptics come from both sides of the Brexit debate, but the same kind of attitude from both sceptics and leavers. Not too surprising realy, considering the relentless bombardment of propaganda in the media. In both cases the propaganda labels the other side as nasty, horrible, uncaring people and so makes you not want to reveal your opinions and risk facing the barrage of vitriol that can result.

275843 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve, #818 of 2225 🔗

sceptics come from both sides of the Brexit debate”

Very much so. The two are unrelated, and major difference is that, whilst the media was overall pro-Brexit, in this situation, it’s pro-Covid.

The balance was also very different : Brexit, even with a propaganda tilt in favour, never commanded a significant majority of the electorate; it is pretty clear that Covid does – sadly.

276638 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, #819 of 2225 🔗

man you talk some shite but for you to claim the media was pro brexit is the dumbest shit you’ve posted yet. holy fuvking shit batman

275641 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Mike, #820 of 2225 🔗

I do know what you mean and I think more people who don’t agree with the current madness must speak up rather than keeping their heads down. Whether they will is another thing……

Hopefully it won’t take as long to end!

God help us all if it does.

275831 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mike, 2, #821 of 2225 🔗

but brexiteers were pretty much keeping their head down and trying to get on with life.”

Not my experience at all, given that the majority of the press were shouting Brexit slogans.

275849 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #822 of 2225 🔗

However, I do believe Brexit has something to do with this as a No Deal Brexit is going to be disastrous for the country. Part of this is a smokescreen to veer some attention away from what a mess this Government are making of Brexit.

276770 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jo Dominich -, #823 of 2225 🔗

Even if it was disastrous it will pail into insignificance compared to this disaster!

275497 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 6, #824 of 2225 🔗

Praise Be! Scotch Egg counts as a substantial meal. The Tiering system was a bit of a worry to me, but now I’m reassured about its sense and proportionality.

Btw.. who is that Twat in the Noddy hat and face nappy? No way could it be the leader of a major nation.

275500 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PhilipF, 10, #825 of 2225 🔗

Who would have predicted a year ago that a minister would be ruminating on the substantial-ness or not of a scotch egg! Despair.

275502 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 5, #826 of 2225 🔗

Who would have predicted a year ago that a Minister for Vaccines would be appointed.

The world gets more and more peculiar by the day!

275508 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to leggy, 6, #827 of 2225 🔗

And sinister …

275669 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to PhilipF, #828 of 2225 🔗

Correction will be on its way . Misspoke etc

275498 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #829 of 2225 🔗

An historian friend of mine was questioning the tactics of the demonstrators on Saturday

He talked about Heinz Guderian and the principles of Blitzkrieg, but also the hit and run tactics of guerilla warfare

He pointed out that the basic principal of Blitzkreig is the concentration of all your available resources at the enemies weakest point

He said disorgansied groups going up against well drilled TSG units on their own patch and getting picked off one by one is not the best use of resources

What would happen he asked if say 50 demonstrators who were not identifiable as demonstrators masked up (because it’s the law to wear a mask) and arrived in a supermarket one by one

He said what if the demonstrators all filled up their trollies and all left without paying at the same time

I said they would get arrested

He said no they wouldn’t. He said it would been unlikely that even one police officer would be on duty locally

He pointed out it would be impossible to identify them retrospectively as they were masked up, and the police don’t have the resources anyway

He asked what if this was done at 100 locations in the the suburbs of London at the same time, and then in a different city the following week

I said what he was suggesting was wrong and illegal and I would not advocate such a thing

He said yes it would be illegal but he was just theorising and he certainly wasn’t a advocating that course of action as he agreed it would be illegal

275507 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Cecil B, 9, #830 of 2225 🔗

Yes – it did occur to me that the best tactic for protests would not be to have 10,000 people in one place, but to have 1000 people in 10 different places. Tie this in to disruptive measures. One option might be for a number of protesters to buy, with cash, wearing masks, some cheap beat up cars from dealers in London and then simply abandon them at strategic positions on main roads throughout the city on the day of the protests.The resulting traffic chaos would both pull in police resources, and slow down the movement of the meat wagons as they tried to contain the separate protests across the city. Massive disruption of the function of the city, stretching police resources etc. Of course this would be illegal and so I wouldn’t recommend – its a projection, rather than a recommendation

275537 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jakehadlee, 3, #831 of 2225 🔗

10 massed choirs singing carols at strategic locations. Singing ability not required but desire to make a noise essential. Some might even sing alternative words, many have been posted on this site. (Toby should do a songbook).

275554 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #832 of 2225 🔗

Anything disruptive that doesn’t directly hurt people would work. If it’s done with good humour even better. A Fabian approach is the best answer to overwhelming force.

275513 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, 7, #833 of 2225 🔗

Illegality cannot really be regarded as an issue any more – once protest itself is made illegal, as they have done on the coronapanic, legality becomes irrelevant. The question now is only “is it wrongful” and”is it proportionate”, as, for instance, violence against innocents would be both wrongful and disproportionate.

Of course, if your intent was an “I would never suggest it because that would be illegal (wink, wink), then fine…..

275521 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Cecil B, 3, #834 of 2225 🔗

If they left without taking the trolleys with them, simultaneously leaving their fifty full trolleys at the now overwhelmed checkout queues and aisles, it wouldn’t be illegal. Just fifty people individually and independently changing their minds at the exact same moment.

275534 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Arkansas, 7, #835 of 2225 🔗

Should do it at Tesco’s to pay them back for their terrible Christmas ads.

275545 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #836 of 2225 🔗

And that would be just desserts for the executives! However, they only people this would piss off would be other shoppers and the staff who are not responsible for crazy regs or adverts so I’m not sure that it would really strike much of a blow for freeom.

275548 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Cecil B, 3, #837 of 2225 🔗

Not trying to put a downer on it, but your idea would simply inconvenience the supermarkets. It would be their employees that had to empty the trollies and either re-stock the shelves or have the contents destroyed. I don’t know about you, but my little local Tesco staff have been extremely helpful and lovely throughout this nonsense, and I wouldn’t want to put this sort of thing on them; I’m sure they’ve all got their own personal situations to worry about.

Surely it’s the state and those who operate on behalf of the state that you want to target?

275553 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #838 of 2225 🔗

It’s probably best to view the example as a sort of template rather than a specific suggestion? For example, one might imagine ways that the underlying concept could be targeted at testing, at MPs, at infrastructural aspects of lockdown enforcement, and so on.

Not particularly recommending it; just observing what the more useful lesson behind the idea might be.

275586 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Cecil B, 6, #839 of 2225 🔗

Given people have been locked up, denied healthcare and been continuously psychologically attacked for the best part of a year I certainly think that we are beyond what is lawful already.

275658 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Cecil B, #840 of 2225 🔗

I attended on Saturday and have since had a couple of thoughts about the tactics used.
In the first instance, confusing the police by changing the venue from Kings X to Marble Arch worked well, but i suspect it pissed them off quite a bit and made them more likley to seek confrontation.

Whilst walking around Regent Street and the environs, I noticed a lot of parked up police minibuses which they obviously use to move officers from one location to another at speed. Many of these were empty, or with just a lone driver playing on his/her phone. Disabling the vehicle by say letting the tyres down would have severely impacted their ability to respond to the movements of the protesters. This is obviously a risk for those doing it as it would incur significantly higher penalties if caught and arrested.
Finally, as the march effectively occupied a large swathe of Oxford Street, why not just stop there and have a static protest? It would have prevented the splintering of the protestors and avoided the kettling that led to many of the arrests. Even going so far as quieting the protest to near silence and perhaps using some of the younger female members to offer flowers to the riot police would have had the effect of drawing the sting out of the police. Would Cressida Dick and Priti Patel have liked to wake up on Sunday morning to pictures and video of burly riot police swiping aside bunches of flowers being offered to them in peace and throwing young (or even older) women to the floor?

276041 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Cecil B, #841 of 2225 🔗

Demonstrators need to change tactics, that is now obvious. The thugs have got an action plan that works. Arrest the leaders, pick off the stragglers.
So start by making yourselves less easy to identify.
Demonstrators are obvious, as they are not masked. Plod can use facial recognition to track leaders etc. So an obvious change in tactics is for people to wear masks and confuse the thugs. Not normal masks but masks with holes for breathing through, so not immediately obvious. Best to use pale coloured disposables so slits not so obvious. Mask plus tinted glasses makes facial recognition much more difficult, I would guess.
Next, wear headgear. And change it several times during the march. Start with a blue one, then a green, then a yellow. Stuff spare hats in pockets and change regularly. Plod will lose track of who is who quite quickly.
Think like a Russian agent in one of John le Carre’s stories!

275503 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 8, #842 of 2225 🔗

Drakeford has just banned the sale of alcohol in pubs and restaurants in Wales. The Left is loving this!

275608 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #843 of 2225 🔗

Nanny state authoritarianism has gone mad. I bet they never go back to ‘old normal’, they will come out with some propaganda on the health benefits to the nation to continue some restrictions.

275814 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Caroline Watson, #844 of 2225 🔗

The Left is loving this!”

Not half as much as the instigators on the right who are making the money!

275505 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 6, #845 of 2225 🔗

Wales’s turn for a renewed shafting:

Pubs, bars, restaurants and cafes in Wales will be forced to stop selling alcohol and to shut by 6pm in a new round of restrictions that begin on Friday night, First Minister Mark Drakeford has said.

275512 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Adamb, 4, #846 of 2225 🔗

Well ,the closing date for talkRADIO’s ‘Plank of the Week/Year’ is fast looming. Perhaps he feels left out …

275602 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to kh1485, 3, #847 of 2225 🔗

Not even a competion …Boris is the plain winner!

275600 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Adamb, 3, #848 of 2225 🔗

Prohibition in Wales! Al Capone, where are you?

275642 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Adamb, 3, #849 of 2225 🔗

The timely and truly excellent firebreak really made a difference then. If only the UK had done the same we’d be back to normal now…

275833 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Adamb, 2, #850 of 2225 🔗

There is no correlation at all between the sale of alcohol, curfews and early closing and the CV-19 scam. It’s just deliberately designed to remove any cheer from Christmas whilst they eat drink and be merry flouting all the rules they have put us under.

The Night Time Services Industry has initiated a Judicial Review. Let’s see where that goes because this is now a witch hunt on the licensed and restaurant industries.

275514 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, #851 of 2225 🔗

Can anyone link me to what MP’s are actually voting on tomorrow? I’ve tried the obvious place for parliamentary proceedings:
which says under tomorrow:

“The main business will be a motion to approve regulations on public health . ” but the underlined link doesn’t take you to the regulations – accident or design?

275769 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BTLnewbie, #852 of 2225 🔗

I expect they are still drafting them, to minimise any rebellion

275516 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #853 of 2225 🔗

I was just about to write a little post saying I think it’s important to turn off the government and MSM noise so you can go about your business and life normally. And that behaviour like that is not only peaceful civil protest, but it makes you feel LOADS better.

However, I’ve just been on the Daily Mail site (stupid me) and seen that Wales is apparently banning sale of alcohol in pubs, the PM is threatening a lockdown and Carrie and Boris’ dog had Covid!

How would you read this? Turning the screws to increase vaccine demand? Or desperation to pump up the fear? Or they’re worried that many of us are either just ignoring it now and rolling our eyes or are pissed off and actively fighting back (protests, social media, letters to MPs etc).

275541 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #854 of 2225 🔗

The vaccine is the end game, and once it’s injected your body is the property of the state and big pharma. Multiple mandatory shots per year for the rest of your life to follow.

Until the vast majority of people have received the shot, these criminal thugs will stop at nothing to make life as miserable as possible. Banning the sale of alcohol in pubs amounts to banning pubs altogether (which have been on the hit list of the health lobby for decades). A cull of domestic animals would be a brutal but very effective terrorising move.

275590 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 3, #855 of 2225 🔗

Many of the measure are social engineering pure and simple. If the public can’t see the motives, more fool them.

275599 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 2, #856 of 2225 🔗

If they are willing to sacrifice their pets to the Covid cult, then it will not be long before they are willing to sacrifice their own family members.

275664 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, 2, #857 of 2225 🔗

I think a cull of pets would be a step too far, even for the most deeply brainwashed by the cult. Of course, this might be what it takes to snap the zombies out of it.

275712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #858 of 2225 🔗

Inclined to agree. Christmas was a step too far and the government knew it, which is why they backed off. It doesn’t hurt to mention pets; as you say, it might wake people up.

275517 Bob, 3, #859 of 2225 🔗

The temperance movement has had a great year – it’s a shame their joy brings misery for the rest of us…

275518 Victoria, 5, #860 of 2225 🔗

Jerm interviews Prof Sucharit Bhakdi on COVID-19 facts and lies

Sucharit Bhakdi is a Thai-German specialist in microbiology, having studied at the universities of Bonn, Giesen, Mainz, and Copenhagen.He also studied at the Max Planck Institute Of Immunobiology And Epigenetics in Freiburg, and is a professor emeritus of Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz, and from 1991 to 2012 was head of the Institute Of Medical Microbiology And Hygiene.

Professor Bhakdi wrote an open letter to the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, in which he outlined the facts being ignored by the establishment and Branch Covidians.
Within 24 hours, YouTube had banned our conversation because it “violated” YouTube’s pro-WHO narrative


275519 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 15, #861 of 2225 🔗

The problem with emergency powers is that they should only last as long as the emergency. If you have a government which is prepared to fabricate the evidence on which the emergency is based, it can go on indefinitely – as we see. Emergency powers mean that government can theoretically do what it likes.

Every crumb that drops from No 10 is relevant. So the news that ‘Dillon is under-the-weather’ leads to ‘dogs can catch Covid’ and ‘dogs can spread Covid’. The government can theoretically order a cull of dogs and cats, just as it can order your children to be removed or your family to undergo involuntary medical treatment. If you think this can’t happen, consider that all that stands between you and it is the good nature of kindly Uncle Boris. Reassured?

Emergency powers are unaccountable and therefore very dangerous, not just in the exercise but in principle. Therefore democratically elected MPs ought in principle to vote against them. First, Johnson prorogued the commons, then he prorogued the country. Our only constitutional avenues of redress are parliament and, failing that, judicial revenue. Failing both will lead inevitably to bloodshed.

275526 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bugle, 2, #862 of 2225 🔗

This country has form for coercing it’s people to kill their pets too.


275550 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bugle, 8, #863 of 2225 🔗

Watched a doumentary some years ago, about the Holocaust. What stuck in my mind was a guy saying “It’s always just a few steps away.” What he meant was an idea catches on with the people, unusual behaviour becomes normalised, a particular person gains power etc., etc. Worryingly familiar…

276142 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Sam Vimes, #864 of 2225 🔗

The veneer of civilisation is thin. For example, once people start smashing windows of Jewish-owned shops, it’s only another step to killing the owners.

276122 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Bugle, 1, #865 of 2225 🔗

Declaring a state of emergency is a standard ploy of dictatorial regimes to claim justification for whatever measures they want to introduce.

275520 cloud6, replying to cloud6, #866 of 2225 🔗

Here’s the glib reply from my MP

Thank you for your email and as government ministers and scientific advisers have repeatedly made clear in the last six months or so there is a cost both financial and social to the lockdown measures and restrictions being used to tackle Covid. The key is to try and get the balance right and I broadly think that we have.

On a positive note, GPs are now dealing with more patients than they were 12 months ago before Covid and the acute hospitals are seeing 90% of their non-Covid workload.

Obviously, a backlog built up during the first lockdown, but government has recently announced £3 billion extra to tackle this backlog. Everybody is doing their best.

Kind regards,
Gary Streeter

275525 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to cloud6, 2, #867 of 2225 🔗

*This* is their best? Words fail …

275543 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to cloud6, 8, #868 of 2225 🔗

On a positive note, GPs are now dealing with more patients than they were 12 months ago before Covid and the acute hospitals are seeing 90% of their non-Covid workload. “

You must be bloody joking!!!!!

275569 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #869 of 2225 🔗

Absolute bollocks isn’t it. I was at my GPs this morning – I was the only bloody patient there! On a Monday morning! Any other year it would have been heaving.

275575 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 5, #870 of 2225 🔗

My missus had to go to our surgery for a form for our student daughter. She had to agree a time to be outside; phone them when she got there; then they passed the (wrong) form to her through the letter box.

Couldn’t make it up.

275820 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 2, #871 of 2225 🔗

NHS for you.

275819 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 1, #872 of 2225 🔗

Yes 90% of an already completely decimated number of patients and appointments is probably a very small increase.

275570 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to cloud6, 6, #873 of 2225 🔗

The key is to try and get the balance right and I broadly think that we have .

3 million plus on the dole, with more to come after furlough ends. Your MP is a nutter, cloud.

275591 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to cloud6, 3, #874 of 2225 🔗

For goodness’ sake. It’s as if you had complained about potholes or something.

275765 ▶▶ Julian, replying to cloud6, #875 of 2225 🔗

The key is to try and get the balance right and I broadly think that we have.” Ask him how he arrives at this opinion, quoting a list of harms and benefits of the policies and their associated costs.

275812 ▶▶ rose, replying to cloud6, 2, #876 of 2225 🔗

Not in my town . Anyone lucky here to get a doctor’s telephone apointment.
My friend after having a burst appendix after 3 misdiagnosed telephone appoinments asked if a nurse could be sent to change her dressings. She was told no. She could come to surgery. She’d been told she had to stay in bed for a week. Or she could do it herself…

275524 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #877 of 2225 🔗

What the heck is TalkRadio’s Ian Collins waffling about? Apparently conspiiracy theories are always mad. Apparently (according to him) the lockdown protestors were all a bunch of trouble makers and loonies….

275530 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to chaos, 6, #878 of 2225 🔗

Says the man still getting paid his full wage.

275576 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to chaos, 1, #879 of 2225 🔗

Whilst Talk Radio has been challenging for some time, I find most of the presenters virtual signalling caveats like this vomit inducing. Its just noise.

275582 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to chaos, 4, #880 of 2225 🔗

If Ian Collins and other journalists actually did some investigation work months ago rather than repeat government propaganda, perhaps we wouldn’t be in lockdown again and people wouldn’t need to protest. There is no serious media opposition to the government measures sadly. Why would a journalist support banning peaceful protest and the type of policing seen on Saturday?

275532 Cecil B, #881 of 2225 🔗

The leaders of the nations of the UK engage in some pre Christmas group therapy

Note Barts first words ‘just testing’



275536 Ben, 12, #882 of 2225 🔗

Worth mentioning that both men in the photo that accompanies this article own shares which stand to profit from current events

275539 Ewan Duffy, 6, #883 of 2225 🔗


Lockdown continues to have a split effect on personal finances in Ireland. Those told to stop working to protect granny get barely enough to survive on, those who can WFH continue to squirrel away cash.

275540 2 pence, 2, #884 of 2225 🔗
275544 l835, 15, #885 of 2225 🔗

By banning the sale of alcohol, and imposing a 6pm curfew, Drakeford et al, are effectively forcing hospitality business to close, without actually saying so. Presumably this is so he can say he didn’t force them to do so, but it will also mean these businesses are unable to claim on their insurance.

He has effectively killed the pub trade, which I suspect was his intention all along.

275552 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 5, #886 of 2225 🔗

Dr Rodger Hodgkinson has been fact checked by AP News.

Pathologist falsely claims COVID-19 is a hoax, no worse than the flu (apnews.com)

Aside from many of the facts about masks, mortality rates, similarities with the flu, and all that we can argue, one of the scientists said this “There’s no sort of long-lasting effects of influenza either. It’s a completely wrong assertion.”

275559 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Caramel, 4, #887 of 2225 🔗

Dr Rodger Hodgkinson has been fact checked by AP News Facebook.

Fixed that for you. See the bottom of the article:

This is part of The Associated Press’ ongoing effort to fact-check misinformation that is shared widely online, including work with Facebook to identify and reduce the circulation of false stories on the platform.

275581 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ceriain, -1, #888 of 2225 🔗

It’s not ‘Rodger’, it’s ‘Roger’ and it’s not ‘Hodgkinson’, it’s ‘Hodkinson’.

Interesting though that it’s stated ‘Hodkinson has never been chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada’. something that should be relatively easy to confirm?


275801 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DavidC, #889 of 2225 🔗

I was quoting the original post; the errors are not mine.

Thank you for your attention.

275829 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to DavidC, 1, #890 of 2225 🔗

I’ve just listened again to Dr Hodkinson describing his professional credentials during the Canadian Hearing that he contributed to, and which aroused the scrutiny of the fact checkers. He stated that he was the former Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons Examination Committee in Pathology in Ottawa. The fact checkers would appear to have refuted a claim that he never made.

275562 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Caramel, 5, #891 of 2225 🔗

This from October 2019:

Post-viral syndrome, or post-viral fatigue, refers to a sense of tiredness and weakness that lingers after a person has fought off a viral infection. It can arise even after common infections, such as the flu.


Who fact checks the fact checkers? Us I guess.

275650 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, 1, #892 of 2225 🔗

Only nobody believes us

275573 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Caramel, 9, #893 of 2225 🔗

It almost doesn’t matter if the “fact checkers” are right (which they frequently aren’t of course) – the very fact that we need to forensically examine claims from serious medical professionals and research scientists to see if they are right or not shows that the case for locking down the entire world is based on very, very flimsy evidence.

Put it this way, if we were in the middle of an actual deadly pandemic, our “fact checkers’ would be our own eyes. If you need detailed analysis to tell you whether or not we are in the middle of a medical crisis, then we are not!

275972 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jakehadlee, #894 of 2225 🔗

That’s brilliantly put, Jake. 👍

275579 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Caramel, 1, #895 of 2225 🔗

Factcheck of the fact checker:

Although Dr. Hodkinson has never made the claim, in some online references, Dr. Hodkinson is being incorrectly identified as a chair/past-chair of the Royal College.


275558 helen, replying to helen, 1, #896 of 2225 🔗


Vorsprung durch Technik’ –

PCR test protocol from Prof. Christian Drosten cannot detect SARS-CoV-2 and is fatally flawed:

Team of 20 international scientists incl. M.Yeadon have submitted a peer review

requesting retraction of this protocol promoted by the WHO.

Read full report here: https://cormandrostenreview.com/

275705 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to helen, #897 of 2225 🔗

Well Helen… The best part is that till this day there isn’t a single paper demonstrating that that piece of RNA labelled “SARS-CoV-2” is in fact an infectious viral particle capable of causing disease (pneumonia) and eventually kill the infected subject.

So… They are all still pretending that “SARS-CoV-2” is something just because the RNA database shows a % of similarity with other RNA’s (which in most case are still to this day also not proven to be what I described above!)

This is all just A BIG CIRCUS just to cause FEAR/PANIC in the herd and to allow the deployment of the TOOLS the SRF & Billionaires NEED so that They can SHAPE and TRANSFORM Their Civilization and Planet to fit Their Needs and Desires…

Do enjoy the show.

275772 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #898 of 2225 🔗

I agree Voz.
UK scientist are pretending but Wodarg, Schöning, and Bhakti (sp?) are not pretending. No such thing as novel SCV2 and a good analysis of stats could maybe prove this.

Germ THEORY? ..just that a theory

276677 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Voz 0db, #899 of 2225 🔗

Kary Mullis said that Montagnier was unable to provide one paper demonstrating that HIV causes AIDS. An interesting assertion and shocking if true (I don’t know).

275717 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to helen, #900 of 2225 🔗
275566 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 21, #901 of 2225 🔗

MIL saying how she and FIL miss their grandkids……yet in the same breath, she is corona obsessed with death rates and how she can not wait for the vaccine to get back to normal. I can’t understand how this has turned people so frightened to see or hug their own children and grandchildren.
I am angry and in despair today. Not just at the governments doing but how stupid people can be to be so sucked in by this all!!!

275580 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Janice21, 7, #902 of 2225 🔗

Weird, as I’ve just had a text from mate, saying almost exactly the same. He has just moved house and will invite us round for a drink when we have had the vaccine and are back to ‘normal’………

275587 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stefarm, 11, #903 of 2225 🔗

Thet really are deluded, aren’t they?

275609 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #904 of 2225 🔗

Yes and scared, brainwashed, anxious, abused both mentally and physically.

275589 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to stefarm, 21, #905 of 2225 🔗

Do like I did with my sister in law. She said the same thing and I just told her that is lovely but I will not be getting a vaccine and she is welcome to our house anytime. My Oh comes from a big family and they got wind of this and all asked her if I have a really dark sense of humor. She old them I’m dead serious so now we will not see anybody over Christmas. Fuck them , I only like my brother in law anyway and he is a fellow hardcore sceptic.

275622 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Thomas_E, 10, #906 of 2225 🔗

Good for you! I have said quite a few comments on my sceptism of it all and its usually met by MIL with shock or she thinks I am joking.
I will continue to see my family who don’t give a shit about it all and hug them as normal. Like any other year, if we are unwell with a bug or whatever, we stay at home. I couldn’t bear to be in the company of these corona zombies anyway.

275661 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #907 of 2225 🔗

They will gladly get them/their kids vaccinated (possibility of very scary / deadly side effects; not tested properly) but oh no we can’t come to your house….

275794 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Victoria, 4, #908 of 2225 🔗

Isn’t that the truth Victoria. Just wait until the serious side effects of these vaccinations take a hold and there will be many people who will suffer with new long term conditions or very serious ones or death just like the young Brazilian Doctor. When they find they can’t sue big pharma they’ll be up in arms. We all know on here that these vaccines are dangerous and harmful more than they are safe. People such as described above will be in for a very rude awakening.

275798 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 2, #909 of 2225 🔗

You may actually have put your finger on a counter-emotion : work on the guilt of subjecting people to far greater potential danger than the actual virus : an undertested vaccine.

275785 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #910 of 2225 🔗

The right attitude in the circumstances. Good for you.

275616 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to stefarm, 10, #911 of 2225 🔗

People this fucking dumb deserve everything they get. The vaccine is the gateway to a lifelong dystopian hell. Which as they are so brainwashed they will probably consider as perfectly normal.

275619 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stefarm, 13, #912 of 2225 🔗

Tell him to fuck off as you don’t drink with collaborators

275792 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, #913 of 2225 🔗

That’s no answer, Cecil.

275795 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #914 of 2225 🔗

Yes it is!!

275692 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 3, #915 of 2225 🔗

If the vaccine works and is protective – then you don’t need to have it

275585 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Janice21, 7, #916 of 2225 🔗

It’s easy. The government sowed the seeds of fear and panic, and then just let human nature take its course, by not providing any sense of balance. Once it bit, they just had to give it the occasional push, and here we are.

275787 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, #917 of 2225 🔗

You’re absolutely right, Sam. It’s been like giving a 5-year old a box of big fireworks and a box of matches.

275592 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Janice21, 18, #918 of 2225 🔗

Sorry to read this. This is what I just don’t get.

Someone told me the other week that her father was ill but because he was in a higher tier area, she wouldn’t be going to see him. Her father is in his late 90s. If my mum was still here, nothing would stop me seeing her. I just don’t get it.

275610 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to kh1485, 9, #919 of 2225 🔗

Exactly. Someone in their late 90s is likely to die soon. Why would you not see them knowing there are very good odds this means you never get to see them again?

275666 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to kenadams, 3, #920 of 2225 🔗

I know. And very good odds this means they will never see you again either. I have real contempt now for healthy people who collude with all of this.

275625 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to kh1485, 4, #921 of 2225 🔗

I know, wild horses would not stop me. It’s dfficult because I try to have respect for my MIL and her wishes.
My 81 year old Grandmother isn’t as bad, she doesn’t mind us visiting her but is still afraid of any of us getting too close but she still wants to see us even in her house or ours.

275645 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 1, #922 of 2225 🔗


275749 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to kh1485, 8, #923 of 2225 🔗

I was out with the dogs and saw a woman out with hers – one of them very similar to one of mine so got chatting, as dog owners do. I said that her dog looked very slim and fit for his age and she said that there are lots of hills where she lives (Sussex) and mentioned she was visiting her mother. Then she suddenly realised that she was confessing to a terrible crime and said her mother was 81 and living alone… of course I quickly reassured her that she shouldn’t have to explain herself to anyone and ended up talking about how inhuman all these rules are, especially for older people.
But I couldn’t get her facial expression out of my head for while, when she thought I might come out with a tirade of criticism for her visit to her elderly mother! It’s moments like that which bring it home hard.

276038 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jo, 1, #924 of 2225 🔗

That is just so awful. Had a similar thing in the shop today. A lady saying she wouldn’t be able to meet her friend when we are allowed to re-open on Wednesday as they are from different – groan – households. We told her we couldn’t give a toss and they are both welcome.

275882 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to kh1485, 2, #925 of 2225 🔗

They are living in denial. I have long known that people in the UK will not even acknowledge that their relatives will eventually die at some unknown point in the future, so in this situation, they just metaphorically stick their fingers in their ears and pretend none of it is happening. ‘If I don’t visit dad, he will never die!’, the shout.

275603 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Janice21, 12, #926 of 2225 🔗

Pleased to say that this Grandad and Granma were meeting up with our twin Grandsons and staying with them the minute we could get away with it and have continued doing so. As far as we are concerned to paraphrase from the good book;
No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation, no virus or jumped up Oberführer prime minister will ever be able to separate us from the love of Family that is the essence of our humanity.

276417 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Steve Martindale, #927 of 2225 🔗

Very well said.

275607 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Janice21, 8, #928 of 2225 🔗

If you were of the mind set that you trusted the government and local authorities I can see why people have been sucked in. Myself and my better half have always been suspicious of people in authority. Especially individuals in government who are less educated than myself or my wife. Just take a look at the education of most of the cabinet. Wishy washy lefty degrees that would never get you a well paid job in the real world. Just look at the Slippery Pig, Degrees in a dead language and Greek FFS. Just what you need to run the country.

275743 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #929 of 2225 🔗

” Wishy washy lefty degrees”

That sloppy generalisation doesn’t sound very ‘intelligent’ as a diagnosed causal factor.

Sorry – but shit explanations are shit explanations. I know a host of people with degrees in different areas and different areas – and neither correlate with Covid adherence (although I will admit that a PPE degree is a bit shit by any criterion)

Look at SAGE – made up of scientists and mathematicians. Just selected for their mediocrity.

275639 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janice21, 9, #930 of 2225 🔗

If a grandparent is too scared to see their grandchildren then I am unable to see them as a grandparent…….

275700 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Victoria, 1, #931 of 2225 🔗

Exactly my thoughts

275732 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Janice21, 2, #932 of 2225 🔗

I can’t understand how this has turned people so frightened …”

I think you’ve got to find that understanding, because it has happened and is very real. It’s not just stupidity.

It doesn’t give a solution, but bashing your head against incomprehension won’t make you feel any better.

275780 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Janice21, 2, #933 of 2225 🔗

Remember this, there is such draconian censorship around all of this that they are not going to have anyone who challenges the establishment narrative on any of the programmes, that would never do now. That is why there are industrial levels of Propaganda and draconian censorship. If there was a shred of truth in this they would allow myriad points of view to be aired. The fact is, our point of view is not nationally aired because it would start people thinking and they don’t want that. But it’s getting through, slowly but surely.

The dole queue is rapidly growing. The tax revenue has dramatically dropped. Printed money now runs the economy. House repossessions are on a rapid rise. Records number of business are going under. Less Corporation Tax and less tax revenue for the Treasury. They are leading or let’s say have led this country into a complete and utter mess. A No Deal Brexit will compound all of these issues (and it will be a No Deal). In other words, we are rapidly becoming a poor country similar to 2nd World Countries.

It’s a live volcano waiting to errupt and it will.

275574 Liam, replying to Liam, 11, #934 of 2225 🔗

Feel crashingly, blackly depressed today. Only got up ten minutes ago.

275593 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Liam, 4, #935 of 2225 🔗

That’s your problem… Sleeping unbalance! (assuming you’re in the UK!)

We’re day animals not night ones. Go to bed early, rise 1 1-1/2 hours after SUN RISE, and your Biological Cycle will be more balanced and your Organism will work/feel better.

Most importantly DO NOT WATCH TV !

275620 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #936 of 2225 🔗

I don’t watch anything on TV other than old films, documentaries and nostalgic stuff on ITV4.

275747 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Liam, 2, #937 of 2225 🔗

I listen to the radio most of the time but I love Talking Pictures.

275946 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #938 of 2225 🔗

Yes because TPTV takes us back to when life was normal.
It is a brilliant station; love it.

275725 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Voz 0db, #939 of 2225 🔗

I don’t think that there are any easy recipes – we all have to find what works for us.

275807 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to RickH, #940 of 2225 🔗

The Biological Cycle is universal. Anyone messing with it will feel the natural consequences.

276252 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Voz 0db, -1, #941 of 2225 🔗

Nonsense. Humans evolved as social primates. In order to ensure there was always someone on the alert against predators, some of have the genes to be early risers and some to be late nighters – and some in between. The genes involved have been identified.

276518 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to OKUK, 1, #942 of 2225 🔗

That’s too dumb to waste time replying more than this…

275595 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liam, 4, #943 of 2225 🔗

Big wars can be confusing. Were winning on some fronts being pushed back on others. If

275653 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to OKUK, 6, #944 of 2225 🔗

We are winning. Our scientists and thinkers are better than theirs.

275681 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to OKUK, 9, #945 of 2225 🔗

That is all lovely and very optimistic and all..But as somebody who has actually been in areal shooting war I’m terribly sorry to shatter your illusion , but one thing we are NOT doing here is Winning. Let’s have a look rationally shall we…They control ALL the MSM, the Parliament, The Government, The Civil Service, Security services, Police, Army, local councils, NHS , fucking kebab stands, oh I forgot the Church (all of them!!) and we are fighting back with facts, figures, logic, decency, common sense etc.. Unfortunately they have spent around £150 millions (probably more) on a very successful propaganda campaign to brainwash the population and scare them half to death. I remember I used to talk to the Psy Op guys back in the days and they said that if your success rate is about 25-30% you are a fucking good..Well don’t know what makes them but their success rate is about 95-97%. People will not raise up, there will be no mass disobedience or protest and the MP revolt and Simon Dolan case are false dawns,nothing will come out of it, NOTHING!!( we are about 6 months behind that) Do you think that if half a million people would show up on the streets of London, they would be able to police it?? Of course not but if you have a about 20K middle classed people who are not used of violence, I can police that half drunk.

So in conclusion, the only thing left is to use guerilla tactics and rebel, practice disobedience and speak truth to power before even that has become illegal and our friends in Cheltenham close down this and all the similar sites. But NEVER FUCKING TELL ME AGAIN WE ARE WINNING! BTW we were told the same thing In Helmand, we won, the are is pacified , lets make schools, you will be bored…We weren’t bored, well those he came out alive at least.

275724 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #946 of 2225 🔗

Personally, I think if there is a salvation, it will come by the legal route (Fuellmich et al). I am not really that hopeful, but I need something to sustain me through this, otherwise it feels like certain death.

275753 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #947 of 2225 🔗

I am sorry to say this but I think Thomas_E is right. Look back at previous editions of Lockdown Sceptics and from about May onwards there is the message that ‘we are winning’.
And here we are.
This is not intended to be a counsel of despair, I do think that we need to press on, individually pressing forward.
Thomas_E is also right about the Church; I have had several discussions/arguments with clergymen and I have complained bitterly that:

  1. There have been NO sermons about snitches and similar Stasi like operations
  2. There has been NOTHING about the real harm and damage that has been visited on the people of this country. Absolutely NOTHING. And then Welby skives off on a sabbatical! There are plenty of Christians on this forum but where are the clergymen?
275890 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #948 of 2225 🔗

The best way of seeing who is winning is seeing how many people are going along with the rules. And we can see that for ourselves just as well as you or anyone else, Thomas.

275618 ▶▶ steph, replying to Liam, 10, #949 of 2225 🔗

That was me yesterday. I totally sympathise.
If there isn’t a decent rebellion tomorrow or some good news from the judicial review I’m going to hit rock bottom.
I’m losing my previous reasonable position on the people who have allowed themselves to be frightened into this. They totally need to get a grip and stop ruining my life and my family’s.

275623 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to steph, -1, #950 of 2225 🔗

Be prepared for things to get much worse than they are now. Once the vaccinated are walking amongst us in large numbers it is going to become nearly impossible. Your definition of rock bottom will need to be revised downwards.

275627 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Richard O, 4, #951 of 2225 🔗

You don’t understand depression then! Thanks for those kind words.

275636 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to steph, 3, #952 of 2225 🔗

Very helpful that I agree!

275936 ▶▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to steph, #953 of 2225 🔗

He hasn’t got a crystal ball.

275647 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to steph, 9, #954 of 2225 🔗

Exactly. What pisses me right off is the complete non-reaction from people I used to think had a bit of intelligence and common sense. It doesn’t matter what you send them or show them, it makes no difference at all.

275764 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to richmond, 6, #955 of 2225 🔗

Well let’s see. Whatever happens of one thing I am certain and that is that in the New Year there will be a Leadership challenge in the Conservative Party. I think for sure Bozo’s days are numbered which means so are Gove’s and Wancock’s and Pritti’s.

I don’t see things as being that bleak actually. There is huge pressure on Johnson from his backbenchers and now from the public. Let’s roll with this for now because I think there is light in there we just need to look upwards to it rather than down to the dark. My boxing gloves are on. I am not going to allow myself to feel despondent because I am going to stand up and fight any way I know how however small.

I don’t give a damn about the masses inability to think critically I am leafleting as much as I can. The tide in opinion is changing against Lockdown’s now though and I have a feeling if there is another one the Government won’t find any type of compliance.

Have faith and have courage.

275696 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steph, 2, #956 of 2225 🔗

On that latter – the only answer is to step back and look at the fundamental reason why – namely the use of brainwashing techniques to instill unreasoning Fear. It’s bloody frustrating, but we have to find ways of countering that brainwashing and propaganda – and no amount of recitation will do that across the board.

275757 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to steph, 6, #957 of 2225 🔗

I have always blamed the masses. Perhaps I’m being unfair, due to the scare tactics eventually used by government, but ultimately I think people, at least in democracies, need to take some responsibility for their own actions (or inaction). It was the hysterical public that pushed a somewhat sceptical government (remember early March?) into lockdown and I will never forgive people for that. I also don’t buy the bit about the fear porn in the media. Again, people need to grow up and stop believing all the BS they see on TV or in their (anti)social media. It’s similar to people blaming the Russians or whomever for Trump’s victory or whatever election outcome they didn’t like. No, people need to grow up and use critical thinking skills when dealing with the media. I’m so tired of all this infantilisation.

The majority will get what is (collectively) deserved, but many individuals who many not have bought into this hysteria have been harmed, which is terrible, and I will always resent it. Yes, people need to get a fucking grip and stop ruining other people’s lives!

276020 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #958 of 2225 🔗

Tom, excellent. One of the worst British national characteristics is that nobody ever takes responsibility for anything, it’s always somebody else’s fault never theirs.

For years and years and years they have been drip fed hate, fake news, hysteria on a daily basis just to sell newspapers. Had it not been for their malice and vitriol towards Corbyn, we would now have a serious minded Politician as Prime Minister (whatever people think about him here he is a principled politician who has spent his life fighting injustice, promoting equality of opportunity and wealth and affordable utilities, housing, transport and education). But no, the public went for the vitriol in the MSM and now we have this charlatan and fraud as our Prime Minister who is a pathological liar and has no respect for anything other than himself and his friends which is now evident in the way he is conducting the Government. The man is not built for any type of responsibility even to muck out a pig sty as was evident in his GE campaign. Well, the British got the Government they deserve because they couldn’t be bothered to think for themselves. I am glad I had no part in voting this Government in.

What I find particularly abhorrent is the way our vulnerable frail elderly are being treated. They are imprisoned in their rooms, no visitors nothing. Prisoners get more rights than they do. There is no need at all for these restrictions for these age groups. Yet you don’t here many relatives challenging these things do you. People on this site do but relatives would be more powerful.

276303 ▶▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Tom in Scotland, #959 of 2225 🔗

I don’t agree that lockdown happened because hysterical public wanted it. The media presented it that way so that the government actions were justified.
In Moscow the public and media were not hysterical and didn’t demand lockdown but Moscow Mayor put the city under strict lockdown.
St.Petersurg Mayor did not put the city under strict lockdown.
Lockdown is political.

275716 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Liam, 2, #960 of 2225 🔗

You have my sympathy. I feel like that a lot lately – I only get up because I have my dogs to walk.
The walking helps – especially if you can go in woods or at least where there are some trees. Nothing is going to make you feel completely ok while this is going on, feeling down is a natural reaction to what happening. Only thing is hope…. and that’s not easy.

275741 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Liam, 7, #961 of 2225 🔗

Please hang on in there Liam, please. There’s not much further this can go really as the data is showing Covid is all but eradicated. It will either end in a Dictatorship or in a return to normal. Let’s put our faith in the CRG Group and in the Court’s judgement tomorrow. Don’t whatever you do don’t let the depression get to you. Get up at 10.00am every day, get a good breakfast, do something positive. Here in my humble abode I have a picture of Wancock on my pinboard at which I throw two darts every morning whilst yelling obscenities at him. Makes me feel better. Please please don’t end up on medication it is dangerous and not necessary.

275827 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #962 of 2225 🔗

Thanks Jo, I’ll be OK, I can never stay down for too long.

275588 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 24, #963 of 2225 🔗

Things the government with its Lockdown Maskism has destroyed in 2020:

– The NHS as an effective source of general health care.

– Children’s education. Remember – a lot of vulnerable children are not in school even now thanks to the mad testing regime.

– Normal family life.

– Large swathes of our economy. GDP down 11%…and the full hit of mass unemployment has not yet hit.

– The public finances.

– The Conservative Party.

– Virtually all religious and cultural life,

– Last vestiges of free speech.

– Policing by consent.

– Faith of the public in the safety of vaccines (well every cloud…)

– The principle of the general peacetime separation of the army from civilian life.

– The general socialisation process for infants who now no longer see facial expressions in shops and on public transport.

Feel free to add to the list!

The worrying thing is that Bozo and Co seem to have no real understanding of the damage they’ve done. Not only that but they’ve let loose dangerous new trends: government supported fear campaigns, encouraging a culture of germophobia, total surrender to the Big Pharma agenda, army surveillance and interference in citizen to citizen communication and so on.

275597 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to OKUK, 3, #964 of 2225 🔗

And some still feel upset when I write “ herd of modern moron slaves “! Truly amusing…

275640 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #965 of 2225 🔗

I think that might just be the number of times you say it. Come up with a new one

275683 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to jakehadlee, -1, #966 of 2225 🔗

Why come up with a new one?! Reality doesn’t change just because I write different words…

275719 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #967 of 2225 🔗

As far as I am concerned they are my fellow citizens. Don’t like calling them moron slaves. And I particularly don’t like the implication I am one unless I agree 100% with everything you say. ,

275803 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to OKUK, #968 of 2225 🔗

You don’t need to agree with facts. One can always choose to live under some sort of delusion and that’s ok!

275648 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to OKUK, 9, #969 of 2225 🔗

Brilliant list, OKUK. I would add: The Seven Principles of Public Life – every one smashed to smithereens:

“1.1 Selflessness
Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.

1.2 Integrity
Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.

1.3 Objectivity
Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.

1.4 Accountability
Holders of public office are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions and must submit themselves to the scrutiny necessary to ensure this.

1.5 Openness
Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for so doing.

1.6 Honesty
Holders of public office should be truthful.

1.7 Leadership
Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour. They should actively promote and robustly support the principles and be willing to challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs.”

275726 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to OKUK, 5, #970 of 2225 🔗

I think it was clear from Bojo’s article this week that he is totally and utterly divorced from reality. His obsession with the NHS is unreasonable in the extreme. He doesn’t seem to give a damn about people’s jobs, business going bankrupt the loss of GDP etc. It’s not even on his radar. I read an article I think it was the Mail Online providing information that was leaked from the meeting in which the Tiers were agreed. It shows the arbitrary manner in which they were agreed. Little or no thought given at all. For example, Gove wanted London to be put into Tier 3 and Johnson refused. Tier three would mean the loss of over half a million jobs, Tier was described as “just the loss of 50,000 jobs”. Just the loss of. You couldn’t make this up.

275770 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to OKUK, 4, #971 of 2225 🔗

You have to / must realise this one fact. The govts know EXACTLY what they are doing.
They haven’t let lose the trends you mention , they are orchestrating the transition.
They are not innocent fools they really think they are doing essential work.
I know this sounds mad for people who haven’t been following the moves over years of preparation but this is the reality. We are at the start of a wholesale reorganisation of all society.
People need to spend time researching these issues this is not going away.

275594 Smelly Melly, 8, #972 of 2225 🔗

To all “Lockdown Hero’s”, do you never question what politicians tell you to do? But what do I know, I’m a Covididiot.

275598 Dan Clarke, 4, #973 of 2225 🔗

They are exploiting this ‘low mortality virus’ to the max, their ‘window of opportunity’ they called it.

275604 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 5, #974 of 2225 🔗

In your opinion, what is the end game in all this, beyond vaccinating everyone to make loads of money? And who are the ones pulling the strings?

275611 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Chloe, 8, #975 of 2225 🔗

The ones pulling the strings ARE:

The Secular Ruling Families and Their friends the Billionaires.

What happened after the Nov 11 meeting between BoJo and Billionaire Bill Gates & Friends?!

275632 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Chloe, 4, #976 of 2225 🔗

healthID and then follow the money (and the Power)

275638 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Chloe, 9, #977 of 2225 🔗

I don’t think it’s any more or less than the super rich playing chess with humanity.

They’ve got more money than they could ever spend, so why not try to control the lives of everyone in the entire world?

People like Bozo are just mid-management types to be manipulated and bribed just like anyone else who is temporarily useful to the great game.

275720 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Chloe, 4, #978 of 2225 🔗

The end games are multiple and cover every area of our lives.
If you haven’t been following developments over a number of years you have some catching up to do.
Everything that’s happening is to herd the people into a virtual corral where everything is taken care of by our benevolent rulers but escape is impossible.

The vaccine thing isn’t necessarily a poison at this stage (who knows?) but it leads people to readily accept regular doses of govt potion. Once that happens the eugenicists can get to work on changing the biological nature of humanity.
Also the biotech brigade will be able to inject the bio analytics nanotechnology.
It’s not just about making money from a single vaccine. It’s long term corporate/govt investment into a perpetual money making system . Peoples lives are basically being monetise by an alliance of govts , global corps and investment vehicles all tied up with ideological agendas. We become a huge cash cow for them.
Also, this covers every aspect of life hence the tie up with security/surveillance, financial,medical,even education. For a good summary of the way this is all monetised please visit wrenchinthegears.com .
Then we have the lifestyle ideologies. Basically our soon to be rulers take the view that we’ve been careless with our time on the planet and it’s their job to sort all that out and put us back in our place, and if quite a few people don’t make it that far so much the better.
This may sound crazy but it barely covers the basics. Anyone thinking this is about health and a quick windfall on a vaccine/ppe etc is deluding themselves.

275804 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #979 of 2225 🔗

This does not mean they will succeed. But often they have tried.

275731 ▶▶ George L, replying to Chloe, 2, #980 of 2225 🔗

One World Government buy the super rich capitalists (and their aristocratic backers) using the ‘useful idiot’ Marxists to control the masses.. oh.. and a substantial genocide.

275755 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Chloe, 1, #981 of 2225 🔗

1) Don’t know what the end game is.
2) Pulling strings here is the Prime Minister and the cabinet and their advisors, and parliament. They can end it, should they choose. Who else? Not sure, but IMO best to start with those who can most immediately change things.

275606 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #982 of 2225 🔗

The attack on pub culture and alcohol more generally is marching forwards. Noting today’s Welsh decision, I would like to remind people that, in Ireland, the so called “wet pubs” have been open for a total of only two weeks since March and will not re-open until 2021 (if ever?). Nevertheless, these pubs are being blamed for a rise in infections:


According to the article:
Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly told RTÉ’s This Week the evidence is “unambiguous” relating to wet pubs and that they can lead to “superspreader events”.
Speaking on the same programme, Professor Tomás Ryan from the school of immunology in Trinity College warned that “we may not see wet pubs reopening until there is a vaccine”.

The article is a mish-mash of bogus correlations to fit a pre-existing policy as far as I’m concerned.

Note the ominous statement from zero-COVID nutter Ryan about vaccines linked to pub openings. What he seems incapable of understanding is that the bulk of those businesses will be bankrupt well before then.

275614 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 7, #983 of 2225 🔗

It’s just more controlled demolition of the economy for the Great Reset

Still, no one’s asking what a *case* actually is

275682 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 13, #984 of 2225 🔗

I have come to the conclusion that uncontrolled public health officials are a far greater hazard to society than most viruses.

275612 chrissie, 7, #985 of 2225 🔗

Prof. KUHBANDNER in Germany has again written an extensive analysis, this time about the wrong count of Corona deaths. He proves Angela Merkel lied when she said “today we had over 400 corona deaths” (she said it midweek, when often many previous deaths are added to the statistics). And he shows that very likely half of the excess mortality are lockdown victims: https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Coronavirus-Todesfaelle-Ueber-die-fragwuerdige-Diagnostik-und-die-irrefuehrende-Darstellung-in-4973792.html?seite=all

275613 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #986 of 2225 🔗

Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious blunder by this son of pork

275708 ▶▶ steph, replying to Cecil B, 3, #987 of 2225 🔗

You and Annie have a real way with words! Brings a smile even on a bad day. Thank you.

275626 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 35, #988 of 2225 🔗

Some idiot got their kid tested and now my daughter is off school for two weeks.


275633 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Ed Phillips, 14, #989 of 2225 🔗

EXACTLY the same thing has happened to me and my daughter today, it’s what’s tipped me over into a pit of depression.

275637 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Liam, 5, #990 of 2225 🔗

I’m so angry and depressed. It’s time to fight dirty with these collaborators..

275702 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Liam, 8, #991 of 2225 🔗

This is a cynical ploy by the teachers to shut their school isn’t it really because it is known children and young people are never going to get CV-19 and that’s from international data. Nice way of closing for Christmas early and getting a nice little fully paid jolly to boot.

275634 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #992 of 2225 🔗

They are real idiots.

275643 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #993 of 2225 🔗

Ditto, our granddaughter.

275851 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #994 of 2225 🔗

Same thing with our granddaughter(7yrs) . She has had about 4 weeks schooling in total since March. We’ve been testing her reading by video and she is keeping that up well, but maths and tables and simple arithmetic going backwards for lack of practice. She is of course in a State school, so it is a bit annoying to walk past the private prep. school near us which has a notice on the gates: “1600 live lessons taight during lockdown” .
Becoming a 2 tier nation, the Rich and the Rest ..

275922 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mikewaite, #995 of 2225 🔗

Our granddaughter and her “besties” who are doing GCSE studies are supposed to start their mocks on the 9th December (perhaps)

275671 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #996 of 2225 🔗

School near us has had 3 years sent home – dinner lady covering reception, also year one, as a one off. Tested positive, so both those years and the year her own child is in sent home.

275699 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #997 of 2225 🔗

PCR test I assume.

275758 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Ed Phillips, 6, #998 of 2225 🔗

So annoying! every day I am just waiting for this for one of my 3 children. Don’t make dental or dr appointments in school time they say, don’t take holidays in term time they say: it’s all so detrimental to the child’s education. Yet when one child has a positive test (stupid stupid parents!! 😡 ) it’s ok for a whole class or year group to have 14 days off!! I would like to know how many children in that bubble then become ill. I’m guessing at zero..

275646 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 6, #999 of 2225 🔗

Someone may have already posted this – the judgement on Simon Dolan’s case is due out at 2pm tomorrow. Surely this must be that lockdowns are illegal otherwise why has it taken so long to come out.

275659 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1000 of 2225 🔗

It’s certainly taken an unconscionable time.

We shall see.

275704 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1001 of 2225 🔗

We shall see, but I can’t help but feel the timing is chosen to maximise political pressure and embarrassment. The judgement will have been written up days if not weeks ago, and so they have held onto it in order to prevent HMG repurposing tomorrow’s debate and votes.
(Just occasionally a strange optimistic streak overwhelms my usual “realism”. 🙂 )

275711 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1002 of 2225 🔗

Please please PLEASE let it be so

275810 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1003 of 2225 🔗

I thought it was down to a judge being on holiday

275813 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1004 of 2225 🔗

I think it was a member of the fucking government’s legal team who was on holiday….

275649 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1005 of 2225 🔗

Just hearing bits of lunchtime news and would appreciate a reality check.
The WHO have said the 80% of people will only be asymptomatic or mild if they get this virus whilst 20% are susceptible to serious Covid 19 disease.
This still seems to be an accepted figure and so if you apply those figures to the UK population you get;
53.3 million people who will be mild or asymptomatic with SARS-Cov2 and so the virus is of no concern to their health.
13.3 million people are potentially susceptible to serious Covid 19 disease and therefore SARS-Cov2 is a potential health threat to them.
Therefore everything we are doing with regard to this virus, lock-downs, face-masks etc. is all with regard to protecting those 13.3 million, these measure are pointless for the 53.3 million.
Have I got his right? listening to the lunchtime news it still sounds like most commentators feel that this virus is an equal threat to everybody, so much so that I find I am questioning my own take on all this, any comments from anyone? have I missed something?

275662 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1006 of 2225 🔗

WHO works for Pharma companies. WHO changed the definition of the word ‘pandemic’ in 2009 after pressure from Pharma companies

275668 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1007 of 2225 🔗

I don’t think we can expect logic. What about the proportion who are actually immune? Are the vulnerable population percentages of the reamainder?

275808 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1008 of 2225 🔗

then if you apply it to China hardly anyone has had corona relatively speaking

275651 Fingerache Philip., 5, #1009 of 2225 🔗

SHOCK/HORROR: Students NOT social distancing in Nottingham.
Whatever next???

275652 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1010 of 2225 🔗

Stratford upon Avon, you can see why the good people of Stratford (Nadihm Zahawi’s safe seat) are not best pleased. The lowest ranking locality lumped into Tier 3. Whole town dependent upon tourism, now with Zahawi as MP worried that this will stop them getting out of Tier 3 as Tories would be accused of favouritism if they were let out for good behaviour.
The local view is that there is no cause so hopeless that the arrival of Zahawi on the scene (multi-millionaire man of the people) can’t consign the cause to permanent oblivion.

275674 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 2, #1011 of 2225 🔗

Of course, we have the same problem with the lack of proportionality in this graphing.

It’s bollocks – (a) based on PCR (b) not adjusted for numbers of tests.

275751 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NickR, 2, #1012 of 2225 🔗

He’s as loathsome as he is intellectually challenged. You now know his price for backing the government over his constituents.

276010 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to NickR, #1013 of 2225 🔗

If there is no cause so hopeless that he can’t make it worse (i.e. he’s an average MP), then that augurs well for the vaccine rollout.

275654 Cecil B, 2, #1014 of 2225 🔗

We are all criminals now

275655 mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #1015 of 2225 🔗

even the Nigerian email scammers are succumbing to Covid.
email just received .
“Calvary greetings to you and your ministry in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, I am Hendrica Richard, 71years old widow to Late George Richard, I am now a new Christian convert, suffering from long time Covid 19, my condition is serious according to my doctor but as a Christian I believe God and I know that I will not die, I will live to declare the glory of God. My late husband and my only son died from covid 19 pandemic; it was a very sad experience but I believe there is always a reason for whatever happens to us”

well, if i just help her convert her $7 million that her husband left through my bank account i am sure her covid will clear up

275665 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mjr, 3, #1016 of 2225 🔗

Fantastic, a cure at last.

275691 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, #1017 of 2225 🔗

ha ha

275734 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Victoria, 1, #1018 of 2225 🔗

I think you mean “Ha-ha-halleluja”. It’s not just any covid, it’s Christian covid after all.

275802 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mjr, 2, #1019 of 2225 🔗

forward it to Hancock

275848 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, #1020 of 2225 🔗

Well Covid stories seem to have found their true home!

275656 Ben, 11, #1021 of 2225 🔗

Examples of fruitless endeavours:

Painting a fence in the rain

Building a house of cards in a gale

Walking up a descending escalator

Writing to an MP

275657 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #1022 of 2225 🔗

BTW, what’s happened to ‘mass testing’? It’s all gone very quiet since the debacle in Liverpool & Merthyr. Another £100Bn down the tubes.

275686 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to NickR, 2, #1023 of 2225 🔗

The focus has switched to mass vaccination.

275693 ▶▶ Nic, replying to NickR, 1, #1024 of 2225 🔗

Agree have been trying to find out what’s going on although you and i know it has been a failiure

275695 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NickR, 2, #1025 of 2225 🔗

think it was Operation Moonshot? very quiet

275737 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Victoria, 1, #1026 of 2225 🔗

Operation waste money!

275744 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Victoria, 5, #1027 of 2225 🔗

Rule 1, Nothing is ever what it seems .

The track/trace thing was a deliberate balls up,ditto the testing bs. They are using psychological techniques the whole time.

The agenda is to get the commonpass/covipass/travelpass up and running and they will use it as a carrot to the bewildered population to get out of jail (the present jail) and thereby get the end result they want with maximum coverage and minimum pushback.
This will happen as a “eureka solution “ early in the new year.

275730 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NickR, 9, #1028 of 2225 🔗

Just listening to an honorary medic from Bristol Uni. I think I know why she, and various other advisers are wary of the mass testing via lateral flow – it’s not producing a high enough test positivity rate for the lockdown zealots.

275821 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to NickR, 1, #1029 of 2225 🔗

I don’t know about England but the witch in Edinburgh has started bleeting about mass testing in Scotland in ‘hotspots’. Of course all these people that are enjoying this will go along and get tested, I’m hoping the majority of Scots ignore this.


275678 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1031 of 2225 🔗

But it also says this on there

We challenge injustice, defend freedom and campaign so everyone in the UK is treated fairly. Join us. Stand up to power.

We know they talk bollocks and did fuck all to defend our freedom, we can now add lying to the charge sheet

Defund the twats

275684 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1032 of 2225 🔗

They took their time didn’t they. They should have started shouting about this in March.

275715 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1033 of 2225 🔗

Steve Baker has retweeted it. Good start.

275675 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1034 of 2225 🔗

See below content of a letter I’ve been sending about….

I am very supportive of vaccines. Yet it is obvious to the dogs in the street that the first crop of coronavirus vaccines have been rushed through. Indeed, the testing of the Oxford University/Astra Zeneca one was handled so badly that many volunteers were given the incorrect doses, this does not bode well. What’s more it seems the less of the stuff people were given the more effective the vaccine?

Mr Zahawi needs to be able to convince me and millions like me who are minded to comply but want assurance on the following legitimate concerns:

  1. Only 349 people under 60 without a pre-existing health condition (a condition
  2. serious enough to be mentioned on the death certificate as a contributory cause of death) have died from covid-19 since the start. About a fifth of the number of road fatalities in any year. We know that the vaccine creates side effects.  Why, if someone were under 60 without a serious health condition would they take a vaccine against a virus that represents effectively no threat to them?
  3. The vaccine has, as yet, to be shown to prevent transmission as it apparently reduces symptoms but doesn’t eliminate the virus. Thus, there appear to be no proven altruistic reason to get vaccinated.
  4. It appears that 80% – 90% of people who are infected have no symptoms, because their immune system works without the help of this vaccine. There are perfectly proper concerns that the full dose vaccine was less effective than the half dose vaccine because it hindered the operation of the natural immune system. Where’s the proof that the Astra Zeneca vaccine won’t harm our immune system?

Persuade me that my concerns are unfounded and I will be at the head of the queue. Attempt to coerce me and things will not end well.

275688 ▶▶ petgor, replying to NickR, 7, #1035 of 2225 🔗

No testing was carried out at all before pregnant women were prescribed with the drug Thalidomide. As there will be no or inadequate testing of the Covid vaccine before it is rolled out, that is just one reason why I will not have the vaccine.

275709 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to petgor, 4, #1036 of 2225 🔗

It is also relevant that virtually no pre-clinical animal testing was done. In those early trials there would have been testing on pregnant animals to test for potential adverse effects in the foetus. This is gross negligence in my view.

275754 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to NickR, 6, #1037 of 2225 🔗

Any vaccine side-effect deaths will be labelled as Covid anyway so I hope this sets your mind at rest.

275767 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to NickR, #1038 of 2225 🔗

Iain Davies (IN-this-together) has produced what he calls An Anti-Vaxxer’s Letter To The Vaccinated – https://in-this-together.com/anti-vaxxer-letter/
His work is usually top notch but I find this a bit over long for the purpose. However, most things you might say to a pro-vaxxer are in there.

275796 ▶▶ Will, replying to NickR, 1, #1039 of 2225 🔗

Brilliant letter.

275677 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #1040 of 2225 🔗


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Obeying the SRF & Billionaires ORDERS transmitted by the jesters in office WILL ONLY cause your premature DEATH.

It’s ACT or be culled.

(unfortunately the dude is wearing a muzzle!)

275680 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1041 of 2225 🔗

Yet he stands there in a MASK …

276508 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Miss Owl, #1042 of 2225 🔗

Most likely a stunt posing as action!

275685 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1043 of 2225 🔗

Beeeeeeehehhe…good sheep. People are fucking useless, he can’t even take a mask off , OUTSIDE!! What a rebel, NOT!

275689 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 3, #1044 of 2225 🔗

Rita Ora Party For 30 People £10,000 Fine Cressida & Sadiq???? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrJuw3UwGjY

I think we know the answer, she is well connected, so not a chance of any action by the Met who now only pick on anti lockdown protestors.

275768 ▶▶ Will, replying to Darryl, #1045 of 2225 🔗

And obviously her being BAME would be irrelevant.

276213 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Will, #1046 of 2225 🔗

She is of ethnic Albanian extraction, thats white european

275697 Paul M, replying to Paul M, 14, #1047 of 2225 🔗

Here’s a strange one. My wife works in a school and does not wear a mask (she has the hidden disabilities lanyard). They’ve been told that staff who wear masks in run up to Xmas will not have to isolate if anyone tests positive, but those who claim an exemption (and not wear a mask) will have to isolate.

Anyone have any views on this? Seems rather odd or a form of discrimination..

275707 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Paul M, 11, #1048 of 2225 🔗

Very strange, considering that the narrative is that masks protect others, not the wearer.

275745 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1049 of 2225 🔗

Actually I think it’s consistent with the narrative. Those who are exempt would be certain to pass on infection, in the mind of the true believer, whereas those masked will not. Everyone is therefore ‘safe’!

Will they be on full pay if forced to self-isolate? Presumably that would be the clincher with respect to discrimination….

275761 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1050 of 2225 🔗

Good point, I hadn’t thought of it that way around.

275784 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1051 of 2225 🔗

Yes that is true following the narrative. Still discrimination though.

275710 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Paul M, 4, #1052 of 2225 🔗

Typical approach – reeks of discrimination to me

275739 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul M, 7, #1053 of 2225 🔗


Disability discrimination is when you are treated less well or put at a disadvantage for a reason that relates to your disability in one of the situations covered by the Equality Act.

The treatment could be a one-off action, the application of a rule or policy or the existence of physical or communication barriers which make accessing something difficult or impossible.

The discrimination does not have to be intentional to be unlawful.

275816 ▶▶▶ Paul M, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1054 of 2225 🔗

Thanks everyone. I thought it would be discriminatory. I have her fire that statement above at them. Masks cause havoc with her hearing aids and bifocal glasses so she does not wear one (unless forced to for first aid)

275825 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul M, #1055 of 2225 🔗

Link to the Act is on that page I linked, Paul. 🙂

275874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paul M, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1056 of 2225 🔗

Thank you Ceriain. Just when you think things couldn’t get more bizarre, along comes more crazy stuff.

275931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Paul M, 2, #1057 of 2225 🔗

Seems we’re not at peak crazy yet either.

275742 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Paul M, 4, #1058 of 2225 🔗

Indirect discrimination – policy has an unintentional adverse impact on a particular subset of individuals?

275750 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Paul M, 5, #1059 of 2225 🔗

That would appear to be discrimination, also the mask doesn’t protect the wearer from anyone but protects everyone from the wearer.

275898 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Paul M, 1, #1060 of 2225 🔗

Par for the course.

276029 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Paul M, #1061 of 2225 🔗

Yes – that seems to be a prima facie case of disability discrimination.

276357 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Paul M, #1062 of 2225 🔗

Surely if the person who tests positive is a mask wearer then everyone else will be totally fine as masks are the best thing ever and protect others.

275701 Old Bill, 18, #1063 of 2225 🔗

As the average age of death in this country is around 81 and the average age of death from Covid is 83, why don’t we ‘do a sage’ and twist the narrative to:

Catch Covid Live Longer

275703 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 18, #1064 of 2225 🔗

Fact Checkers beware!!!

Dr. Reiner Fuellmich started the legal process. Law suit filed on 25.11.20 in Germany. Plaintiff is Dr Wolfgang Wordag and this is a defamation law suit against a group of so-called fact checkers that are manipulating the truth . They accuse Dr Wordag of lying when he says that the PCR test cannot pick up a current infection. Fact checkers seems to never produce information but simply label you . This will be a blue print for other law suits around the world – one of many law suits coming via many other lawyers especially in the US and Canada

Dr Wordag was instrumental in fighting the Swine Flu hoax – 700 children in Europe were disabled for life by the Swine Flu vaccine – narcolepsy that is permanent damage to the brain.


275728 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 7, #1065 of 2225 🔗

They accuse Dr Wordag of lying when he says that the PCR test cannot pick up a current infection.

Hmm. I’m sure that AwkwardGit has an FOI from Handjob’s department confirming the good doctor’s assertion.

276348 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1066 of 2225 🔗

Sent it to him.

275718 Ben, 7, #1067 of 2225 🔗

The nuclear arms race seems quite benign compared with the collective malevolent power of Pharma shares

275722 Cecil B, 1, #1068 of 2225 🔗

Tomorrow many will hold their manhood’s cheap when any speaks who fought with us


275733 Nic, replying to Nic, 9, #1069 of 2225 🔗

Have done some research on mass testing in liverpool .seems it’s not going that well one hundread thousand have been tested .sounds a lot but liverpool has a population of half million and its ben going on for a month , seems less and less people are now turning up to be tested infact officials r going round knocking on doors trying to persuade people to get a test.
Expect it to all be quietly forgotten, wonder what the next mad stratergy the government will come up with.

275746 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Nic, 3, #1070 of 2225 🔗

Hopefully it’s making a mess of Cummings’s mass testing/big data project that he is allegedly still working on until the end of his contract in December.
He might not be in Downing Street, but he’s still hanging around like the proverbial malodourous emissions.

275773 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1071 of 2225 🔗

I had him high hopes he’d be the scourge of the inefficient Common Purpose Civil Service. Looks like he’s been the scourge of our freedom instead. Another massive disappointment.

275832 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to steph, 3, #1072 of 2225 🔗

I too thought his iconoclastic approach would be just what was required, as did friends of mine who are very active politically. But I think we are all feeling let down by him.

275948 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1073 of 2225 🔗

He was good for the Brexit campaign, but nothing else. His support for everything climate related should have set alarm bells ringing for everyone – globalist.

276009 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, -1, #1074 of 2225 🔗

Sorry – but you asked for it with that lapse of thinking. He was always a stupid **** with an opinion of himself (perhaps bolstered by others) far bigger than any intelligent achievement.

276031 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to RickH, 1, #1075 of 2225 🔗

Well, even I(!) can’t get it right every time. 🙂
And it’s not as though I voted for him. Hmmm…..

276620 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, -2, #1076 of 2225 🔗

says the tosser who voted for (snigger) Jeremy Corbyn

275774 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nic, 5, #1077 of 2225 🔗

20-odd thousand on each of the first couple of days, I recall the BBC crowing, so it’s actually a much bigger failure than people think it is.

Expect it to all be quietly forgotten…

Yep, pretty much.

276019 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, #1078 of 2225 🔗

I think a read of Mike Yeadon’s article pretty well demolishes any idea that it has some useful purpose.

275776 ▶▶ Gareth, replying to Nic, 2, #1079 of 2225 🔗

I heard Allyson Pollock speaking on BBC radio about it – she was highly critical. From memory, her criticisms were that well people are being tested and that the design of the testing scheme is terrible.

275834 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Gareth, 2, #1080 of 2225 🔗

She was quietly devastating with her measured criticisms.

276160 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Nic, #1081 of 2225 🔗

are they expected to be tested every week in liverpool? sounds crazy.
honestly can’t see people queuing up weekly to have something jabbed up their nostrils – these people must be effing stupid.

275735 Gman, replying to Gman, 12, #1082 of 2225 🔗

Joining the letter writing bandwagon.

I write to you for the first time to try and assuage my fears that the conservative party were taken over by a silent coup by Sage in March this year. Please ask yourself who are the scientists who are part of this group and why is there such a consensus within it that lockdowns are such a great idea when there are so many other dissenting views across the scientific community. My feeling is that they are leading the Conservative party down a path of complete annihilation by a group of people who would far prefer Labour to be in Power, for the Green Agenda to be Accelerated and for the current capitalist system to be overhauled.

The Conservative Party stand at a precipice – past decisions can be blamed on a lack of information and the precautionary principle. From now on though it is only the Conservatives that will be to blame and it is clear to me from a wide range of scientific data that the cure is significantly worse than the disease – when this becomes clear to the masses (which it will be in the months to come) the fallout will make you unelectable for a generation.  I urge you to vote against the introduction of the tier system and push for a return to normal as quickly as possible.

Yours sincerely,

It surprisingly made me feel better not that it will do much good.

275759 ▶▶ Will, replying to Gman, 4, #1083 of 2225 🔗

I tried to emphasise to my thick Tory supporting step sister that Sage are a left wing organisation leading the party to their doom. Her reactions since indicate that she knows that she has been fooled but she is a stubborn old mare and won’t admit it to herself, leave alone anyone else.

275756 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #1084 of 2225 🔗

This is even more disturbing, apparently it will be possible to mix and match different vaccines. https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/covid-vaccines-can-be-used-interchangeably-if-necessary-says-phe/

275763 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, 16, #1085 of 2225 🔗

“No fucking way!” just became “”absolutely no fucking way!”

275790 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to p02099003, 8, #1086 of 2225 🔗

Yes because, possible contraindications between the new vaccines will have been extensively tested as part of their trials! Silly me, that will come during the mass roll-outs. What could possibly go wrong?

275762 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 27, #1087 of 2225 🔗

There was an awful lot of essential traffic on the roads this afternoon as we made our non-essential trip to our nearby garden centre. Inside, everything was available to buy:clothes, oil paintings, crockery, kitchen implements etc.

Twenty yards away, a shop selling kitchen implements was closed as was an art shop and a shop selling crockery. I suspect the work experience kids have been writing the rules again.

Holland and Barrett was open and I nearly called in to ask for something to help reduce memory loss. Why? Because when all this is over, I want to be able to remember the name of every damn one of them who has put us through this suffering and every last action they have taken to deny us our freedoms.

I will remember them!

275894 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Margaret, 3, #1088 of 2225 🔗

We all will.

275951 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Margaret, #1089 of 2225 🔗

Which is why, if all small traders got together and organised in numbers and opened, they would do much better and have enough support in numbers to keep going.

275766 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 12, #1090 of 2225 🔗

This woman is a fucking goblin

275823 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Two-Six, 11, #1091 of 2225 🔗

That is unfair to goblins.

275944 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1092 of 2225 🔗

She is a wholly pathetic, inadequate excuse for a Chief of the Met Police. She and Pritti stupid must get on like a house of fire. Both petty minded bullies and wannabee tyrants.

275771 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 20, #1093 of 2225 🔗


People may need to prove they’ve had Covid vaccine to use services, says ministerThe Government is looking at ways to enable businesses to establish whether someone has had a Covid vaccine before allowing them onto their premises, a minister has said.
Nadim Zahawi, the business minister who was named vaccine tzar at the weekend, told BBC Radio 4’s World at One: “We are looking at the technology, and of course way of people being able to inform GP if they have been vaccinated.
“Restaurants, bars, cinemas and other venues, sports venues, will probably also use that system as they have done with the app,” he added.
“In many ways the pressure [to get a vaccine] will come from both ways: service providers, who say you need to demonstrate you have been vaccinated, but we will also make the technology as easy as possible.”
He added: “People will have to make a decision but many service providers will want to engage in the same way.”

275775 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to arfurmo, 14, #1094 of 2225 🔗

very sinister

275778 ▶▶ watashi, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1095 of 2225 🔗

If this is the future, I want no part of it.
Where should I move to?

275836 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to watashi, 6, #1096 of 2225 🔗

Since this trend is effectively global and coming to a safe haven near you soon, there is nowhere to run. You’re going to have to stand and fight or surrender and do as they order. This way to the showers.

275846 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to watashi, 9, #1097 of 2225 🔗

There’s no where to go. We really are heading into a Mad Max world – you can run but you can’t hide.

The only solution is for good people to stand their ground and say “no more.”
We need somehow to get publicly recognised personalities to head a mass “opting out” movement.
I’ve been saying this since March but none are forthcoming.
without a popular movement with a catchy groove we are stuffed , they will pick us off one by one .

275779 ▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 8, #1098 of 2225 🔗

I do not see how that can not be coercion and therefore illegal. Hopefully the fox killer might do something useful for once.

275781 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to arfurmo, 10, #1099 of 2225 🔗

Was just about to flag this up. Odious little man. Basically they will get the airlines, pubs, restaurants, employers, supermarkets to do their dirty work for them – as airlines are already doing – under threat of fines / closure. They don’t actually need to make it a legal requirement. We are doomed!

276106 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #1100 of 2225 🔗

Just like they did with enforcement of the smoking ban in 2007: Criminalise the owners of premises for failing to prevent the activity. I have come to realise that a lot of the current public health nonsense is straight out of the anti-tobacco lobby playbook.

275805 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 16, #1101 of 2225 🔗

Not this bloody service provider. These people are frigging insane.

275806 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1102 of 2225 🔗

Banks will be on this list, and not just for physical visits. No jab, no access to your money.

This vile creature himself will of course not be touching any vaccine with a bargepole.

275811 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Richard O, 10, #1103 of 2225 🔗

Insurance will be another.

275830 ▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1104 of 2225 🔗

I need a good reason never to pay for it again.

275822 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to arfurmo, 18, #1105 of 2225 🔗

Another immigrant telling us how we are to be allowed to behave in the country our forefathers fought to build and defend that we might live in freedom, without the interference of jumped up petty tyrants.

What did they die for?

275897 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to William Gruff, 3, #1106 of 2225 🔗

And they don´t like alcohol either. As the Devi Shridar said this summer. We want to go for alclhol next.

275998 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to William Gruff, -1, #1107 of 2225 🔗

What did they die for?”

The right of other immigrants, like their forefathers and ours, to live here without prejudice; to be criticised for what you do, not what your origins are.

That’s democratic freedom.

276611 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, #1108 of 2225 🔗

you truly are an utter cunt

275839 ▶▶ CGL, replying to arfurmo, #1109 of 2225 🔗

Can I ask what source this is? Is is BBC – seeing that it was a R4 programme he was on?

275940 ▶▶▶ Paul S Toms, replying to CGL, #1110 of 2225 🔗

Interview on World at One. I heard it and was appalled and demoralised.

275860 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to arfurmo, 10, #1111 of 2225 🔗

Yes, sinister. However, can you imagine what sort of system would be required to implement such an abomination? A very complicated one. In essence, it would require everyone to carry a piece of secure electronic equipment with them at all times while out and about. I don’t think its going to happen.

275868 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1112 of 2225 🔗

Me neither and I’m perversely kind of enjoying this kind of talk. I want to see how far they are willing to take all of this.

275937 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1113 of 2225 🔗

You Know Tom, so am I. They sense big rebellion is very close, not yet, but getting closer and quickly so. So, every time the alternative point of view, ie. the truth is getting out and gaining traction, they have to double down on the restrictions. My view is, it’s going nowhere. They are on the back foot. When Johnson has to threaten his rebel back benchers with another full lockdown in an attempt to get them to toe the line, the narrative is in trouble. Serious trouble. The message is getting through. The problem is, Google, Facebook, Youtube are having to spend massive resources to cull the alternative narrative which is only pissing people off. It’s now time for people to start to move to bitchute, odysee as advertised on here and other smaller outfits.

They are having to work seriously hard to keep it all under wraps and it’s not working. We can beat this and we will.

276206 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1114 of 2225 🔗

Thanks, Tom, that is an encouraging thing to say. I am really frightened by the idea that my life might be ruined by my not being willing to be vaccinated against a disease that poses me no significant threat. Your perspective makes me reflect that my reason should not stop where my own fear begins.

275889 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1115 of 2225 🔗

We’ve put up with a lot. Although some of us have been disobeying in minor ways. Try and make an untested and unnecessary vaccine mandatory in all but name and they will reap the whirlwind. Who the hell does this jumped up little tosser think he is? He doesn’t own my body and I’ll fight physically to prove that despite my age and gender. Absolute arseholes. I’m very angry now.

276209 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to steph, 1, #1116 of 2225 🔗

Me too, Steph. My body, my choice.

275919 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1117 of 2225 🔗

There will be substantial legal challenges to this. It is easily winnable on a number of counts.

275964 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1118 of 2225 🔗

A lot of people do carry secure electronic equipment in the form of their smartphone.

Those QR codes on every little shop door don’t do much at the moment, apart from put an aide memoire into the NHS app on your phone in case you are contacted by T&T (that is if you are daft enough to have the app, and doubly daft enough to scan the QR code). But for now that is enough because it accustoms people to their presence (frog-boiling tactics).

The program code which does nearly nothing at the moment will serve as a hook on which to hang the new functionality to interrogate the central database for your vaccine status or whatever else they want to score you for. The government have plenty of cross-database applications already – think how easy it is to renew your driving licence without a photograph because they have one on your passport; think how HMRC are cross-referencing data to identify tax evasion and fraud.

Don’t forget the original design of the T&T app was based on a centralised database. It was only under pressure re. privacy concerns that the government backtracked. The centralised design will still be there sitting on the shelf waiting….

It’s not that complicated, and most (maybe all) of the bits exist, just a case of putting them together.

We can’t afford complacency over this. Arguing about lockdown tiers is small beer by comparison and this is where I shall be focussing effort as of tomorrow.
Lawyers need to be on board for this fight as of now.

276136 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1119 of 2225 🔗

i heard somewhere they want to put a permanent electronic wristband on everyone that can’t remove! sounds implausible but after what has happened i honestly would not put it past them.
They want us jabbed, tagged and gagged.

276155 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #1120 of 2225 🔗

That’s the only sure-fire way they could do it. For the mobile phone app, you could take someone else’s phone to “check in”.

276199 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #1121 of 2225 🔗

Luke O Neill in a presentation to school children. He also said to them its masks forever

276418 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1122 of 2225 🔗

But very simple if you embed a chip in people’s forehead, or right hand. Particularly if you then forbid then to buy or sell if they don’t…

Revelation 13:16-18

275918 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1123 of 2225 🔗

What the F*** and repeat

275935 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1124 of 2225 🔗

This has been the plan for months but many on here including Toby didn’t want to face reality.This is based on the Chinese social credit system.Add digital currency when the inevitable collapse of the £ comes then its checkmate.The government will have total control and can install their zero carbon future unhindered.
Just because it seems insane doesn’t mean they won’t try.

275826 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1126 of 2225 🔗

I used to harbour a little admiration for that paper as a serious publication but since this shit started and they did not condemn it I have refused to read a single word of it

275869 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1127 of 2225 🔗

This is everywhere. In the Guardian last week. Just another psy-op

275782 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 13, #1128 of 2225 🔗

They are even coming for the judges now! I wonder whether this will be in the minds of the judges considering the Simon Dolan case – ?verdict tomorrow?


Two appeal court judges in Lisbon are at risk of being ‘disciplined’ for a 34-page ruling in which they justified their reasons for releasing four German tourists from confinement in the Azores (click here) .
The Superior Council of Magistrature (SCM) will be ‘appreciating’ this matter (in other words, deciding whether the two judges should be ‘disciplined’) on December 2 (Wednesday).

275800 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BTLnewbie, 9, #1129 of 2225 🔗

How depressing that I don’t find this in the least surprising.

275910 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #1130 of 2225 🔗

I love how their three reasons for subscribing in the pop-up ad basically state they are going to spoon-feed you state propaganda.

276143 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #1131 of 2225 🔗

This is next level. Surely that’s the breakdown of judicial autonomy

275786 Stuart, 8, #1132 of 2225 🔗

Drivelford says the lurgy is about after 6pm, lurking at the bottom of your pint among the dregs.

275788 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #1133 of 2225 🔗

All cause mortality in the US is graphed below 2014 to 2020

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Graph from CDC via https://wmbriggs.com/post/33626/

THe previous humps display the usual pattern of an epidemic – flu in this case – permeating a population. The rise to a peak is much more gradual. The ‘covid spike’ of March and April is qualitatively different. It is not a hump, it is a spike.

Instead of an epidemic moving gradually through a population, the spike in all case deaths in March/April (dominated by NYC)is much more consistent with some decisive change happening virtually overnight to disrupt the normal functioning of society and economy. That change was of course shelter-in-place orders and lockdown. Remeber what Dr. Donald Henderson wrote:

“Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.”


275887 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to calchas, 4, #1134 of 2225 🔗

NYC hospitals were being paid to murder people with ventilators and count them as Covid deaths.

275924 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1135 of 2225 🔗
275789 Tim Bo, replying to Tim Bo, 12, #1136 of 2225 🔗

Just took part in a YouGov poll that asked “Would you support or oppose a third national lockdown after the Christmas period if coronavirus cases were to remain high?” The results were;

Strongly Support – 40%
Somewhat Support – 22%
Somewhat Oppose – 8%
Strongly Oppose – 28%
Dont Know – 1%

I dont think we are winning at all …

275862 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tim Bo, 3, #1137 of 2225 🔗

Yet another example of people holding two conflicting views and only airing the publicly acceptable one.

275864 ▶▶ steph, replying to Tim Bo, 7, #1138 of 2225 🔗

It’s the wording. “If corona cases remain high”
Guaranteed to nudge compliance from the hard of thinking.

276032 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steph, #1139 of 2225 🔗

Yes – define high. And define cases…

275870 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tim Bo, 7, #1140 of 2225 🔗

Who is a founder and part-owner of YouGov?


275871 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tim Bo, 4, #1141 of 2225 🔗

From little acorns, great oaks grow.
Keep the faith.

275885 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tim Bo, 2, #1142 of 2225 🔗

You gov ?? Nothing to do with the government but seem to always get results that support it.

275895 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tim Bo, 2, #1143 of 2225 🔗

The question is misleading. What do they mean by “coronavirus cases”?
Anyway, 28% is a large minority.

275899 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tim Bo, 2, #1144 of 2225 🔗

All in the question.
Would you support or oppose another lockdown if it meant more unemployment,more missed hospital appointments.

275900 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tim Bo, 1, #1145 of 2225 🔗

Well, there seem to be more people that aren’t really into it. If you count the ‘somewhat support’ downwards that adds up to 59%. So it’s going in the right direction.

275905 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Tim Bo, 1, #1146 of 2225 🔗

Would you support or oppose a third national lockdown after the Christmas period if coronavirus cases were to remain high, but there would be no furlough or SEISS scheme?

I wonder if that would change things. Sadly I know plenty of “Wealthy I’m alright Jacks” here in Surrey who would lock down for the rest of time, provided their paid too, or are on a fixed income.

275933 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tim Bo, 2, #1147 of 2225 🔗


If t hey are giving us that level of support, then it’s great news.

276027 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tim Bo, 2, #1148 of 2225 🔗

These polls annoy me. You can’t somewhat support a lockdown. It’s all or nothing. It’s like somewhat supporting capital punishment. The person either gets executed or they don’t. And you certainly can’t not know. There should be two options – support or oppose – and that should be the end of it.

275793 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 24, #1149 of 2225 🔗

Off topic but something nice for a change. Just had an image pop up on our Instagram page – someone has done a pencil drawing of the shop and posted it.

We saw a lady sat on a bench watching the shop quite intently this morning and wondered what she was doing (we feared another snitcher!) and now we know. Nice to know not everyone is out to get us!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIOAh9RHQ-H/?igshid=1ll4iiwr9j6bo&nbsp ;

275815 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 3, #1150 of 2225 🔗

All facebook owned crap is blocked on my computer.

Could somebody post the pic for us on LS, please; if KH has no objections. 🙂

275828 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1151 of 2225 🔗

No objections. Not sure how to do it (sorry, technophobe here) …

275872 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kh1485, 13, #1152 of 2225 🔗

Image below.

275877 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1153 of 2225 🔗

Thanks MC.

275911 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 3, #1154 of 2225 🔗

Looks lovely, K. 👍🏻

Talented artist.

Is that a ‘no mask, no service’ sign I see in the window? 😉

276018 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1155 of 2225 🔗

Of course 😉 No, it’s a “Piss off if you believe in lockdowns” sign (I wish!).

275901 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1156 of 2225 🔗

Thanks, Mabel. 🙂

275799 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 22, #1157 of 2225 🔗

Bradford hairdresser fined £17,000. for “endangering public safety” by daring to open during lockdown!!!
Anybody know a lunatic asylum that’s got any vacancies?

275817 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #1158 of 2225 🔗

No, but if it needs a coffee shop, I’m in.

275863 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 2, #1159 of 2225 🔗

Well said!

275835 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1160 of 2225 🔗

Is the object to destroy all small and medium business?

275866 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Dan Clarke, #1161 of 2225 🔗

Not at the moment because they’re busy destroying the large ones.

275891 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1162 of 2225 🔗

The current measures can only be described as economic war on the population.

275840 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1163 of 2225 🔗

Is that a direct quotation? If the fine is applied on the the grounds that the hairdresser has defied Spaffer’s lockdown, then it’s a fair cop. But if applied on the grounds quoted, then the question is being begged: is lockdown synonymous with public safety?

I think we can all give a pretty cogent answer to that one.

275867 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ovis, #1164 of 2225 🔗

It was a news report on Classic fm.

275975 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Ovis, #1165 of 2225 🔗

Here is a link to the BBC News story, with quotes.


275809 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 17, #1166 of 2225 🔗


Discussing the healthy old lady in Canada allowed state assisted suicide because she couldn’t face another lockdown. Absolutely staggered the state is sanctioning death caused by the actions of the state.

276003 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Darryl, 7, #1167 of 2225 🔗

I am in favour of assisted suicide so I’m glad we have that option in Canada, but the fact people aren’t up in arms by this story disgusts me. Lockdown is killing far more seniors than Covid ever could, but we live in a fact-free world now.

276026 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1168 of 2225 🔗

I don’t in theory have a problem with assisted suicide if someone has a horrible health condition which makes life miserable. Government caused suicide is another matter completely, very surprised this happened in Canada.

276149 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Darryl, 1, #1169 of 2225 🔗

I’m quite surprised she was granted her request. There have been a fair few cases about what constitutes a valid reason for assisted suicide, and I believe this lady was initially refused but did find a doctor willing to help. We here are the ones who recognize this as government-caused suicide, but the Covid cult doesn’t see it that way as they don’t recognize quality of life.

276017 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Darryl, 7, #1170 of 2225 🔗

It’s interesting isn’t it, in a horrible way, that she could quite legally choose certain death by medically assisted suicide but not the much smaller risk of death she might face from catching covid from a visiting family member. So she’s sacrificed her life in order to save her own life from covid – talk about sick and twisted.

276035 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1171 of 2225 🔗

Agree, says it all about the state and health authorities really. All about control and submission.

275824 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 22, #1172 of 2225 🔗

Apologies if posted already. Van Morrison and Eric Clapton collaborate on new anti-lockdown song:


Of course they are being attacked for this. I say good on the old codgers!

275938 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1173 of 2225 🔗

My god the comments underneath are depressing. And these from people who must really like music otherwise they wouldn’t be on that website. It really is a cult.

I’m having another bad day today. The vast majority still seem to want the end of all worthwhile life still.

275997 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kenadams, 5, #1174 of 2225 🔗

It is rather depressing. I’ll be happy to pay to download their anti-lockdown songs given they are among the very few public figures who are speaking out. I just figure the winter is going to be a write-off and the Covid cult will prevail all winter because it’s cold and flu season and, therefore, the hospitals will be full like they are every winter and the hysteria will be maintained. If the tide doesn’t turn in the spring, the real depression will set in.

276015 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1175 of 2225 🔗

Are you actually from Toronto btw? I went there a couple of years ago. At the time (it was summer) it was a warm, fun city with a great alternative nightlife and good food. I think it was around Queen Street where we stayed. I hesitate to ask what it is like now…

276133 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kenadams, 3, #1176 of 2225 🔗

I was from Toronto when I joined this forum, but I have given up on the city now. Perhaps I should change my name to Lisa formerly from Toronto. We sold our condo on Queen Street (what a coincidence!) and it closes tomorrow. We have had a country home for many years and decided to move here permanently. Toronto was an awesome city and I loved the energy and living downtown, but I can’t tolerate it now. The virtue signalling and the mask zealotry make it impossible for me to live there, and with Lockdown 2.0 there’s literally nothing to do. Like most great cities, there will be utter devastation from the Covid response, many businesses will fail, and it’ll take years, if ever, for places like Toronto to recover. With no live music, sports, culture, etc. — all the things that make cities great — what’s the point living there? My daughter still lives there and I wouldn’t rule out renting a place if we ever wanted to spend any significant time there in the future, but for now I’m glad to be out.

276095 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kenadams, 1, #1177 of 2225 🔗

Bots operating on behalf of the forces

276201 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kenadams, 1, #1178 of 2225 🔗

Its like a cult isn’t it – keep me safe with emotional strangulation.

276650 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1179 of 2225 🔗

“I don’t believe you. You’re a liar!”
“Play f***ing loud!”

275837 kf99, replying to kf99, 16, #1180 of 2225 🔗

If not already posted:
David Kurten ” I was pushed and shoved by a Met Police officer for no good reason. Other people were treated far worse than I was.”

275850 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to kf99, 14, #1181 of 2225 🔗

One of the few good politicians in this country. Would love to see him as mayor of London and get businesses and communities thriving again. No more divide and rule under Khan.

275842 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 10, #1182 of 2225 🔗


Police in Canada seem to completely ignore the rules regarding mask exemptions as do some businesses. Not sure what it is about police recruitment these days but they seem to regard themselves as an authoritarian occupying force rather than a public service. Perhaps it has always been that way and I just didn’t notice.

275878 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Darryl, 5, #1183 of 2225 🔗

The original municipal police forces were created to suppress the unruly working class in favor of bourgeois interests.

So, today’s coppers are simply reverting to form.

275981 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Darryl, 8, #1184 of 2225 🔗

Most businesses are ignoring the part of the by-law that allows for exemptions. It’s very all over the place — my husband has been to 2 different Home Hardware stores and one says no exceptions to masking and offers alternatives to in-person shopping, while the store in the next town has posted mask is required but with some exceptions. Two different franchisees, two different policies. There are court cases pending and we can either launch a human rights complaint or take a business to small claims court. I think it’ll only change once some of these businesses have to pay to defend themselves in court and/or are charged with a human rights violation, but for now they seem willing to take their chances flouting the law because there’s been no penalty for doing so.

276368 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1185 of 2225 🔗

Here in England there was some initial refusals of exemptions, but after a while I think the big chains realised the possibility of legal action and some of them even have signs in stores stating that non mask wearers may have a hidden disability. We’ve had ‘disability discrimination’ shoved down our throats for years, so it would be very odd if they did a complete u-turn on that now. I have only been refused entry into one small local shop, everywhere else I have had no problems.

275845 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 9, #1186 of 2225 🔗

Thinking ahead – If you’re not vaccinated, you will not be allowed to have children? I can see this being the case within 24 months.

275853 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Eddy, 14, #1187 of 2225 🔗

I expect infertility to be a “side” effect of the vaccine.

If you are not vaccinated, you will be dead within 24 months on account of not being able to buy or sell.

275865 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Richard O, 12, #1188 of 2225 🔗

We have appointed our pro-vaccine friend to do all our shopping. We will treat him with a new mask after each visit.

275876 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Eddy, 2, #1189 of 2225 🔗

They may stop that by tying bank account and credit access to having up to date flu jabs.

275879 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to awildgoose, -1, #1190 of 2225 🔗

Don’t rely on a bank account then.

275888 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Eddy, 4, #1191 of 2225 🔗

With the disappearance of cash you won’t have a choice.

275896 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1192 of 2225 🔗


Gold and scrip will only be usable on the black markets that pop up.

275960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1193 of 2225 🔗

Leaves barter.

275984 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to calchas, 1, #1194 of 2225 🔗

WTF! bartering using leaves? ‘I’m going out to the street to sweep some up’

276007 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 5, #1195 of 2225 🔗

Unless you grow food,apart from sex you will have nothing to sell.We either stop this thing now or lose.Once it’s instituted there will be no escape.

275875 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 5, #1196 of 2225 🔗

You may be dead from an aggressive cancer or genetic wasting disease well before 24 months are up.

Anyone who lives gets to sleep in a pod and have one meal a day consisting of roach paste on soy wafers

275880 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1197 of 2225 🔗

Hence my lack of concern about longevity. Drinking heavily on a regular basis on the assumption that there will be full prohibition soon.

275892 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 7, #1198 of 2225 🔗


The beer belly will come right off on the calorie-restricted they have planned for us.

275974 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 4, #1199 of 2225 🔗

Also, I believe they will soon shut pubs, liquor stores, and remove booze from the supermarkets in the name of, “public health and preventing deaths of despair.”

276352 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 1, #1200 of 2225 🔗

Just brew your own. It’s very easy and if you use foraged materials, it works out around 25p a gallon. Not a penny in duty goes to the Revenue.

275883 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Eddy, #1201 of 2225 🔗

How would they stop you?

275884 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Eddy, 12, #1202 of 2225 🔗

If I was of that age I’m not sure I’d want to have children. What sort of cold, sterile and regimented world are they being brought into? I’d certainly think twice about breeding if I was younger.

276004 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 2, #1203 of 2225 🔗

I agree. I have one child, fast approaching or even past the age when I should really have another, would have done it this year but probably now never will.

275953 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Eddy, 1, #1204 of 2225 🔗

You will have to show much more dedication then just getting vaccinated to get a child license.

276000 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Eddy, 2, #1205 of 2225 🔗

You’ll be allowed to become pregnant, but denied access to prenatal care and obviously barred from giving birth in a hospital, I expect.

275847 Liam, replying to Liam, 22, #1206 of 2225 🔗

I wish Solzhenitsyn was still with us to excoriate this lunacy. The Flulag Archipelago.

276268 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Liam, 2, #1207 of 2225 🔗

A day in the life of Boris Covidavic?

How I wish.

275852 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 27, #1208 of 2225 🔗

Apologies if already posted.

talkRADIO (@talkRADIO) Tweeted: Lockdown sceptic Sir Desmond Swayne MP says “extreme” Covid measures are a “political decision”.

“Once you’ve got into a policy of lockdown…it becomes very hard to get out without admitting that your earlier policy was a mistake.”

@JuliaHB1 | @DesmondSwayne https://t.co/926b5rXK4a

276049 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, #1209 of 2225 🔗

Very astute. When the fundamentals are wrong it’s chasing shadows

275854 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 17, #1210 of 2225 🔗


Student Luke Anderson had police officers force entry into his home after they wrongly suspected him of having a party. After inspecting the home, officers told Luke to “go to bed”: “Now there’s a curfew in your own home that you have to abide by.”

275913 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1211 of 2225 🔗

Imagine being tucked in by Cressida Dick?

275920 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1212 of 2225 🔗


275932 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1213 of 2225 🔗

More tucked up than tucked in

276091 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1214 of 2225 🔗

i think tucked up was the wrong spelling … you need an f

276631 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mjr, 1, #1215 of 2225 🔗

They tuck you up your mum and dad …

276105 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1216 of 2225 🔗

don’t worry Dickhead wouldn’t have been interested as the student was a fella!!

276158 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1217 of 2225 🔗

She won’t be touching mine, that’s for sure.

275925 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #1218 of 2225 🔗

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

276636 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1219 of 2225 🔗

“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”

275956 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1220 of 2225 🔗

Perhaps it about time student stopped going into debt to pay for their own incarceration and took off the masks.

276012 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1221 of 2225 🔗

Police State.

275856 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 25, #1222 of 2225 🔗

Just listening to Classic fm and an ad from Sainsbury’s came on encouraging us to “shop alone where possible”.
So to protect the “vulnerable”( my wife and myself are in our 70’s,), it’s alright for a person of that age and older to do a “Christmas shop”, perhaps £100 plus on their own!!, even my wife who is a “soft” sceptic said “B×××ocks to that”.

275912 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1223 of 2225 🔗

I agree, bo***cks to that!

276040 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #1224 of 2225 🔗

I used to be a manager at Sainsbury’s, left in Sept. This is nothing to do with protecting people. To comply with the covid regs they used the square footage of each store to work out how many people they could have in a store and maintain 2m distance. We had auditers checking and everything. The one person per shop rule is all about getting more paying customers in at one time.

276667 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Wolver, #1225 of 2225 🔗

Thank you for your interesting answer.

275886 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1227 of 2225 🔗

God, he’s a bit slow. 😉

14th October – me: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272

15th October – Toby’s NHS doctor: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid

You’re either in front of LS, or behind. (Nick Rose will get that one. 😉 )

275908 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1228 of 2225 🔗

It’s painful waiting for everyone to catch up, isn’t it?

275945 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1229 of 2225 🔗

Yes but very pleasant when they finally do, the more folk we welcome the more likely we are to get our country back to normal

275952 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1230 of 2225 🔗

Yeah. Don’t like to say, Tom, but, yes, we’re pretty good on here. 😉

275917 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1231 of 2225 🔗

He did 👍

275902 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1232 of 2225 🔗

Notice how there are two paths to Covid: a test or an x-ray.

If we are to follow standard medical diagnoses then you should have both, plus an understanding of the probabilty of lung issues with flu/cold PLUS an actual flu test to eliminate flu.

The amount of embellishment and sloppy diagnoses (for all the best intentions I understand but still sloppy) is a whole host of lawsuits waiting to happen.

275966 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mhcp, #1233 of 2225 🔗

If we are to follow standard medical diagnoses then you should have both, plus an understanding of the probabilty of lung issues with flu/cold PLUS an actual flu test to eliminate flu.

Good shout. 👍

I think Toby’s doctor contributor (to whom I refer above) said this in a previous article on LS.

275859 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 85, #1234 of 2225 🔗

Strong from Laurence Fox:

Just had a large group over to lunch and we hugged and ate and talked and put the world to rights.

It was lovely.

You’ll never take that away from people.

Stay out. Protect your rights.

If the @nhs
can’t cope, then the @nhs
isn’t fit for purpose.

Compliance is violence.

275861 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 45, #1235 of 2225 🔗

If the NHS

can’t cope, then the NHS

isn’t fit for purpose.

So true

275958 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Victoria, 9, #1236 of 2225 🔗

Shhh! Don’t let the cat out of the bag! The NHS is brilliant – it’s all us pesky human patients with all our nasty viruses and bacteria that are the problem!

276062 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Victoria, 2, #1237 of 2225 🔗

I wrote pretty much that in one of my many letters to Demonic Draab only last week!

275873 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Sarigan, 36, #1238 of 2225 🔗

Very inspiring! I would have never imagined that having a group over for lunch and hugging would ever be considered subversive, but that’s the world in which we find ourselves. I love the “compliance is violence” and may have to co-opt it.

275903 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 15, #1239 of 2225 🔗

More of this now. Outward disregard for the psychosocial terrorism

275906 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 27, #1240 of 2225 🔗


275934 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sarigan, 14, #1241 of 2225 🔗

Compliance is violence.


275955 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 16, #1242 of 2225 🔗

I think we can safely assume he won’t be on the list of celebrities being contacted by the government to promote the vaccine eh?

276011 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to CGL, 6, #1243 of 2225 🔗

I hate to imagine the scale of the propaganda campaign they will be currently preparing. Lots of virtue signalling celebrities and sports people and a key role for the Ministry of Propaganda (BBC).

276153 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Darryl, 2, #1244 of 2225 🔗

Puke making.

276033 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to CGL, 10, #1245 of 2225 🔗

No, they made the mistake of inviting him on Question Time once with the lazy assumption that all luvvies have the “correct” opinions. Now they know he doesn’t and it’s cost him his career. He was a fine actor too. Hopefully he’ll be a successful activist and can maybe return to acting on the back of it.

276138 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to steph, 4, #1246 of 2225 🔗

He was a fine actor too
Agreed although I think Lewis was cast the wrong way round. Lewis should have been the beaten-down sargeant passed over for promotion and Hathaway as the fast track graduate as his boss.

276299 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steph, 4, #1247 of 2225 🔗

Yasmin Alibi-Brown got the shock of her life when he threatened to sue her for defamation during an interview when she casually referred to him as a ‘racist bully’ – he made her retract it and she was like a scalded cat!

276301 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1248 of 2225 🔗

scalded cat? bucket of shite more like…

277068 ▶▶ James007, replying to Sarigan, #1249 of 2225 🔗

I would like to see him take on the Torys, whilst Farage takes on Labour.

275904 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1250 of 2225 🔗

It is, of course, well understood that the police are institutionally stupid, but I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that there is a large number of individually thick personnel within the ranks. How else do you account for this:


And then we have this, reported in The Guardian:

Up to 10 extra police cars will be on patrol in the far south-west of England to respond to Covid-related issues as Cornwall gears up to re-open.

There are concerns that visitors may this week head to Cornwall, one of only three areas in England that have been placed in tier 1, for a taste of freedom.

Devon and Cornwall police confirmed:

As part of the Covid surge funding that the force has received from the government, Devon and Cornwall police have made up to 10 additional dedicated double-crewed units to be available to patrol at various locations across the force area.

Their sole purpose will be to respond to Covid-related matters and these vehicles are additional to current response levels.

Our policing approach from those working within these vehicles is the same as our wider approach, and that is to engage, explain and encourage people to comply, and as a last resort consider enforcement via a fixed penalty notice.

The force is refusing to say when and where the vehicles will be on patrol.

BTW: WTF is a double-crude unit? A unit this is particularly low tech, or maybe one that’s especially primitive – ah yes, that would fit the ‘Bill’.

275941 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1251 of 2225 🔗

Covid surge funding

What Covid surge?

275942 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1252 of 2225 🔗

Let’s seal off Cornwall forever, perhaps it can attain zero covid if the rest of us filthy Brits are kept out. They could become a separate country, like the other devolved nations. Or alternatively they could ask to be put into Tier 2 like the rest of us if they’re that concerned.

Uncharitable I know, and apologies to anyone Cornish on here, but this kind of thing really gets my goat!

275978 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1253 of 2225 🔗

Or Cornwall could be an island, the river Tamar separates Devon from Cornwall, get a JCB up to North Cornwall and dig out the 3.7miles to the coast and Cornwall becomes an island…. Passports ready….

275992 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to cloud6, 4, #1254 of 2225 🔗

Funnily enough I was just mulling over the same proposal – digging out a big wodge of land to separate Cornwall from the rest of us seems quite proportionate to me, given the threat we all face.

Vaccine-stamped passports ready, of course…

275957 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1255 of 2225 🔗

Is a covid related incident, a sneeze or a cough?

276034 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1256 of 2225 🔗

Bloody Emmets coming down ere with their bloody covids spreden em all over the shop, bastards, get orf moi laaaaand

275907 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #1257 of 2225 🔗

An effective vaccine confers immunity from the disease caused by the infectious agent. A vaccinated individual has that immunity regardless of whether anyone else is vaccinated or not. Vaccination is a clinical treatment, it is not a public health measure. A person who is vaccinated cannot be made ill by an unvaccinated person. The vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. However, a vaccinated individual could transmit the infectious agent to an unvaccinated individual, resulting in them becoming ill. As is usual with the coronavirus official narrative, it is backwards nonsense.

275929 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #1258 of 2225 🔗

I think we will start to see the argument (which applies to all vaccines of course, not just covid) that some people are genuinely unable to have vaccines, or wouldn’t respond to them anyway, due to issues such as immunosuppression. Therefore we will all have to be vaccinated “to protect the vulnerable” and there will be heart breaking campaigns showing sick children in hospital being put at risk by your selfish refusal to be vaccinated, etc etc.

While of course it must be awful to be in that position, if we haven’t justified vaccine compulsion or shunning of the non-vaccinated on that basis for much nastier illnesses such as polio, diphtheria, measles etc then IMO it’s an argument that is completely irrelevant for covid. But you can bet that we’ll see it made anyway…

275947 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1259 of 2225 🔗

If you aren’t bothered about being shamed or shunned it will all be ok.

275965 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1260 of 2225 🔗

The coronavirus does not present a risk to children, especially to those under eleven. Indeed, it presents almost no risk to anyone except the old/vulnerable. The notion that the vast majority should be coerced into taking a vaccine that no one knows to be either safe or effective on the ground that some tiny minority who might be susceptible to the disease but are not suitable candidates for the vaccine is just another example of the backwardness of the official narrative.

275987 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1261 of 2225 🔗

Quite – but nevertheless, I bet they will go for it anyway. They love telling us that we’re all at equal risk.

If not, then a sad lonely old Granny will probably suffice. That’s done the job quite well up until now.

276079 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1262 of 2225 🔗

And yet she’s probably sad and lonely because it has been made illegal for her family to visit her.

276100 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1263 of 2225 🔗

since there are different vaccines coming on the market … if each country has their own preferred vaccine which is mandated to enter their country, it could be that people would have to have a number of different vaccinations.
What would be the effect of this on the human body? One untested vaxx sounds hideous enough but several sounds like a coffin pusher.

275989 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1264 of 2225 🔗

If someone has had the virus will a vaccine be necessary?

276021 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1265 of 2225 🔗

If a vaccine works, having been ill and recovered works because all a vaccine does it introduce the infectious agent to the body to enable the immune system to recognise it and create defences. If having been ill as a result of the infectious agent and recovered one does not have immunity, it is impossible for the vaccine to work.

276615 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Steve Hayes, #1266 of 2225 🔗


276051 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1267 of 2225 🔗

Yes of course, it’s your civic duty to take the vaccine to protect others.

276055 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1268 of 2225 🔗

hear, hear! it’s all backwards nonsense.

275915 alw, replying to alw, 11, #1269 of 2225 🔗

Just been informed by a family member that Canada won’t be getting the vaccine until September 2021. Our government are lying again.

275923 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 5, #1270 of 2225 🔗

… and 9/21 is still far too early for safety to be reasonably assured

275968 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to RickH, 5, #1271 of 2225 🔗

I think it’s the other way-

They want to confirm the jab will cause sterility and a terminal wasting disease.

275930 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to alw, #1272 of 2225 🔗

Where’s your family member’s info coming from, alw? Health worker? Gov person?

275943 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to alw, 7, #1274 of 2225 🔗

Let’s hope we don’t get it! However, I do believe they’re saying that the majority of the population won’t be vaccinated until September 2021, not that we won’t have any vaccine at all. We will start offering it to the same set of guinea pigs as other countries (LTC facility workers, etc.). I can only hope that the initial test subjects will have such horrendous adverse reactions that the vaccine will be pulled from the market before we have to fight the mandatory vaccine battle.

275950 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to alw, 3, #1275 of 2225 🔗

It’s being rolled out in the next few weeks, I can assure you that it is already underway

275988 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1276 of 2225 🔗

I have heard that too from a top bod in local authority. Councils have been told they are expected to vaccinate 26,000 a week. Can’t see it happening.

276074 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to alw, 8, #1277 of 2225 🔗

people must have lost all common sense. all rational thinking. why would anyone be willing to get a jab of toxic junk for a ‘virus’ with a 99.9% survival rate? the psychological offensive against the people sure is working well

276059 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1278 of 2225 🔗

I wonder what would happen if I stood outside a vaccination centre with a placard pointing out the deficiencies in the testing and licensing of whichever vaccine happens to win.

Will I be arrested?

Can we be de-platformed in real life, as well as online?

276140 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1279 of 2225 🔗

You will be shot and your body cut up to provide stuff for future vaccines.

276267 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to William Hand, 6, #1280 of 2225 🔗

Ha! The joke will be on them: I have BSE. You didn’t get us all, Ferguson. :-p

276288 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1281 of 2225 🔗

Sad to say, but yes, I think you would be arrested under the current lockdown rules. It might depend on what sort of lockdown restrictions are in force at the time though.

276583 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1282 of 2225 🔗

any saying “i can assure you” is usually talking bollocks, i can assure you of that.

276159 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to alw, 1, #1283 of 2225 🔗

What are they going to inject in ten days time? Is it to be a placebo?

275916 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 20, #1284 of 2225 🔗

Trouble with face masks study – DM

275921 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Victoria, 12, #1285 of 2225 🔗

Whatever muppet commissioned a “study” to reach these conclusions should be out of work for the rest of their lives.

275970 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, 8, #1286 of 2225 🔗

It must have taken them hours and hours of intense research to reach this conclusion. They are quite literally ahead of the field. Just think what they might discover next!

Obviously no one cares anyway. Stress and isolation is to be expected in the fight to save lives.

275986 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1287 of 2225 🔗

That the pandemic ended in May? – oh please let that be it!

275926 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 15, #1288 of 2225 🔗

Can we all have thousands of pounds for knowing this 8 months ago please?

275928 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, 2, #1289 of 2225 🔗

It what they want. the sick b’s

275954 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Victoria, 5, #1290 of 2225 🔗

And bears shit in the woods.

275963 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Edward, 5, #1291 of 2225 🔗

Ah but if you’re not there to see it, do they really?

276028 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Victoria, 2, #1292 of 2225 🔗

Well, who’d have thunk it.

275927 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 14, #1293 of 2225 🔗

According to the Daily Mail this nonsense will go on until the Summer. Its like the sign in the pub (remember them) which says free beer tomorrow. This will never end.

275967 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Smelly Melly, #1294 of 2225 🔗

Nah – Boris has just promised we’ll be out in Feb.

275976 ▶▶▶ Ricky R, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1295 of 2225 🔗

Not meaning to be a downer but just a few months ago we were promised “near normality” by November.

275983 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1296 of 2225 🔗

I think we’re all on a downer today (Annie may disagree?)

275995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to CGL, 13, #1297 of 2225 🔗

I’m tip fucking top. Bring on the apartheid. Can’t wait as I know for a fact that none of my local businesses will buy into it and I’ve already managed to squeeze two foreign holidays in during the scamdemic. Who knows…if I play my cards right, I might get an extended period of gardening leave.

276278 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to CGL, 1, #1298 of 2225 🔗

I’m feeling quite positive. The mood’s changed a bit since the announcement of the new tier system. Now, most of us on here realise this business is going on indefinitely, but from what I can gather some of the great British public did seem to think that there would be a much reduced lockdown after 2 December, and they’re not happy about it. I never heard much complaining before, but there seems to be some now alright.

276070 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ricky R, 6, #1299 of 2225 🔗

And “Three weeks to flatten the curve” and “Out by 31/10/2019, do or die” and….

276096 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1300 of 2225 🔗

He’ll be out by Feb or sooner

276579 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to steph, 1, #1301 of 2225 🔗

why bother it’s not like he’s in charge is it? He’s reading out the global script. Same as the next person will.

276073 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1302 of 2225 🔗

I’m feeling that way today as well — ready to write off the winter and hope that by spring enough people will stop dying of respiratory illnesses (like they do every year) and that even the sheeple will finally have had enough. However, I know hope is not a strategy.

275949 Tking, replying to Tking, 24, #1303 of 2225 🔗

A short trip to Farnborough, Hampshire today, I would say a quarter now wearing masks outside in the town centre in the fresh air, despite not many people around. I cannot get my head around how any sane person with an IQ of more than 1, really things these things work!

I have talked to educated intelligent people, wearing filthy masks that they rarely wash or change, that geniunely believe they are helping stop the spread.

275971 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Tking, 7, #1304 of 2225 🔗

To be fair they might be hiding their faces so people don’t identify them as a resident of Farnborough.

275985 ▶▶▶ Tking, replying to Ricky R, #1305 of 2225 🔗

too right!

276431 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ricky R, #1306 of 2225 🔗



276025 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Tking, 4, #1307 of 2225 🔗

Farnborough town centre was depressing even before all the masks. Am there myself today and encouragingly saw lots of people still nipping in and out of shops without masks, like me. Also, many shop staff don’t wear them either e.g. Post Office/Asda.

276037 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tking, 5, #1308 of 2225 🔗

It occurred to me today that since the police started masking up outside it has probably sent a message to the sheeple that they ought to follow suit. Yet another insidious aspect of this mask nonsense. I get that in some countries/states there is a mandate to mask outside, but nowhere in Canada is this the case and yet every police officer is wearing a mask outside, thus sending a subliminal message that if the cops are masked up maybe we all should be too.

276047 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1309 of 2225 🔗

Guess that subliminal messaging bollocks only works on sheep then, I seriously doubt many on here will be donning the mask just because the rozzers do!

Quite the opposite.

They obviously take their orders very seriously, any order!


276097 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Kev, 3, #1310 of 2225 🔗

We can only hope there’s a backlash! But yes, only the sheep would engage in this ridiculous “monkey see, monkey do” nonsense.

276285 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1311 of 2225 🔗

I bet they do it because they think they are more effective. You can’t see their features, they cease to be human and become robots, and are therefore more intimidating to those they are trying to “police”.

275959 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #1312 of 2225 🔗


‘We’re No Strangers To R’

We talk about the R number. Danish Mask Study. London Protests and much more.

Plus the usual songs and silliness!


276423 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #1313 of 2225 🔗

R, on its own, doesn’t mean anything. You could have an R of 50 but if the death rate is 0% it’s mightily different from an R of 1 (or less) and a death rate of 100%!


275969 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #1314 of 2225 🔗

A shameful disgrace. Sometimes I feel as if I’m living in the old Soviet block or China!

275979 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #1315 of 2225 🔗

When is this going to end? The nightmare only gets worse.
How is that not on the front page – who the hell (apart from you obviously) looks at the page for Beds, Herts & Bucks?

276001 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to CGL, 2, #1316 of 2225 🔗

It was given more prominence late last night, today I had to search for it to share it here,

276023 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to CGL, 3, #1317 of 2225 🔗

this actually had a couple of prominent pages in the Mail on sunday yesterday.

It is only the BBC who dont think this is important

276016 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #1318 of 2225 🔗

Common Purpose Sheep , picked out of the Common Purpose courses for being more sheep like than the other sheep to be the leaders of the flock.

276572 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1319 of 2225 🔗

That’s how they’ve taken over education. The people you deal with at schools are like zombies, honestly i’ve met one teacher int he 15 years i’ve been putting my kids in school that’s been normal, the rest of them have this look in their eye like they’re lying to you and know the lies and pish they teach your kids is destined to damage their development. The schools are pure evil.

276190 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #1320 of 2225 🔗

Pastor Mateola, who is one of a number of church leaders pursuing a judicial review against the English and Welsh government’s decision to close churches…

I’m sure that had nothing whatsoever to do with the actions of the police…didn’t even cross their minds.

275991 AB, replying to AB, 3, #1321 of 2225 🔗

Right, after the email from my MP who claimed all the local ITU beds are full, I sent her this email

Dear Maria

Many thanks for your prompt response.
Just a couple of quick questions for clarification purposes.
When you say ‘ as of tonight all our local ITUs are full with COVID patients’

-Which local units are you referring to
-Is that every single ITU bed is full or just the ITU beds allocated to COVID patients
-How does total ITU occupancy compare to the same period in previous years.



I’ve just had a reply, so she obviously isn’t that busy, here it is;

From the hospital this morning . All green, blue and red areas of the four hospitals which serve the constituency have limited capacity to take admissions today for any condition as blue and red have been taken over by covid patients. There are only 2 beds left for non coivd patients as the blue area has now been moved to COVID red.

32 positive admissions came in last night and 7 were admitted to ITU . There are now 2 ITU beds left which can take covid or non covid patients.

Can anybody translate this

276066 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to AB, 3, #1322 of 2225 🔗

Can’t translate it, but… in Northumberland they spent millions on a new A&E hospital at Cramlington and shut all the other A&E units down. I know personally of an elderly stroke victim being driven to Cramlington by their half-blind elderly spouse from fifty miles away in the middle of the night because the ambulance wouldn’t or couldn’t attend. The rationalisation of A&E made sense on their bloody communist five-year plan but in actual human reality it was a complete catastrophe. If the NHS can’t deal with covid, it is not the people’s fault. It is the NHS’s fault. It is a ghastly, outdated monolith, and whenever it’s incapable of something it blames the patient, like an incompetent, pompous teacher.

276093 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AB, 9, #1323 of 2225 🔗

I think what she is saying is due to a lack of Green (for go) areas and wet floors in the purple zones, (very dangerous, especially for dancing on), the covid patients have been moved into the stores cupboards which have now been designated as RED zones. This give a capacity which is almost 10.
So now despite 3789 beds available across the region, sadly they are now in a rainbow zone and awaiting clarification as to what zone they can safely be moved into next. They will transition towards yellow which is almost green. Because there are only 10 beds in the Red zones the region is are nearly at full capacity.
I think this is all quite clear really.

276170 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1324 of 2225 🔗

you make me laugh

276514 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1325 of 2225 🔗

Genius! hahahaha…

276110 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AB, 1, #1326 of 2225 🔗

Some key points:
1) She didn’t answer the point about how it compares to previous years – hospitals are often under pressure at this time of year
2) What is the definition of a covid patient? Is it someone who tests positive, regardless of what they were admitted for/are being treated for?

276192 ▶▶▶ AB, replying to Julian, #1327 of 2225 🔗

I noticed that.
I was surprised at the speed of her response, because as a junior whip she shouldn’t have time to reply to my emails and should be too busy blackmailing persuading MPs to vote with the government

276185 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to AB, #1328 of 2225 🔗

I’d ask how many of the 32 positive admissions were admitted for Covid symptoms vs e.g. A&E admissions for (say) fracture who had tested positive within 14 days (from memory 14 days is the criterion for designating a Covid admission)

275994 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 24, #1329 of 2225 🔗

Live  Coronavirus latest news: Pubs and restaurants will be entitled to turn unvaccinated people away, minister says
Here we go with the propaganda in the Telegraph. All because of a PCR test using an application rate of 45 causing soaring case numbers. Two tier society being created.

275996 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Darryl, 1, #1330 of 2225 🔗

Love it 🙂

276002 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Darryl, 23, #1331 of 2225 🔗

Aaaaand… yet another knob who goes mad the minute you give him a title. FFS!

Anyway, what bars, restaurants and cinemas? Your boss has shut them all, you knob!

“But, I think you’ll probably find many service providers will want to engage with this in the way they did with the app.”

Only because they were fucking forced to; it wasn’t their choice. This guy is a first-class arse!

276068 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1332 of 2225 🔗

They were forced to have the app you idiot

276077 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nic, 7, #1333 of 2225 🔗

Most people from this site refused the app and knew their rights around doing so.

276147 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1334 of 2225 🔗

Does anyone know what happened to the guy who created the dummy app and then got outed in the press? He used to frequent these parts. I hope he’s not languishing in a dungeon somewhere.

276728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to leggy, #1335 of 2225 🔗

hopefully working on an app to say you are vaccinated

276176 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nic, 1, #1336 of 2225 🔗

Hope that’s not aimed at me, Nic. 😉

276006 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Darryl, 14, #1337 of 2225 🔗

The types of tossers that’ll Q up for their nasty cough jab are the types of people who don’t go to pubs – can’t see many pubs enforcing that shite – wouldn’t be good for business – well for any that survive the current insanity

276024 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Major Panic, 14, #1338 of 2225 🔗

Exactly. The pubs will be begging for our business. As you say, bedwetters are mainly neighbourhood watch types

276197 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tom Blackburn, -1, #1339 of 2225 🔗

My dad isn’t a bedwetter, he just wants to be let back in the pub.

276317 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, #1340 of 2225 🔗

You misunderstand me

276563 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1341 of 2225 🔗

no he doesn’t he works for them, he’s an infiltrator

276193 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, -3, #1342 of 2225 🔗

“The types of tossers that’ll Q up for their nasty cough jab are the types of people who don’t go to pubs”

Sure about that? Can you prove it?

My dad is a regular pubgoer and I think is very likely to have the jab if and when it comes. He’s not a tosser either, BTW.

276239 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, 4, #1343 of 2225 🔗

I bet he’s really proud of you

276565 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1344 of 2225 🔗

Glad it’s not just me that see’s thru this guy

276013 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 20, #1345 of 2225 🔗

So this is already being scaled back within hours of it being initially briefed. No mention of compulsion, just entitlement.

Besides, how many pubs and restaurants will be open in a few months?

276030 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Darryl, 14, #1346 of 2225 🔗

Do they really think this will end well? Assuming this happens there will be way more than 50,000 deaths in the aftermath. What are they trying to do? There will be civil war. Seriously. Madness.

276057 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jakehadlee, 17, #1347 of 2225 🔗

I suspect that they put outrageous suggestions out to gauge public reactions. We know the secret services and military are constantly monitoring and manipulating social media as part of their war of terror on the citizens of the UK.

The fact that our own government would happily scam / intimidate us into having a rushed vaccine is frightening.

276098 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Darryl, 8, #1348 of 2225 🔗

That is exactly what they are doing.
Mad Nadine Dorries’s tweet the other day was another case in point.
But the trouble is, once the notion is out there it starts to form part of the narrative; a seed has been sown.

276042 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 22, #1349 of 2225 🔗

I will be proud to boycott those pubs and restaurants. Let them go bust if they choose to discriminate

Echoes of Nazi Germany. A Goebbelsian nightmare repeats. The unvaccinated will become the new undesirables

276064 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Darryl, 14, #1350 of 2225 🔗

That’s fine just means more business for the ones that welcome everybody.

276332 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Darryl, 1, #1351 of 2225 🔗

Saw it coming months ago. Where are the trolls now?

275999 Ben, replying to Ben, 46, #1352 of 2225 🔗

A broken man who apparently lost the business he’d poured his life into due to Covid restrictions is arrested for joining a peaceful protest


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276014 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 35, #1353 of 2225 🔗

That image breaks my heart. But we’re the heartless ones????

276036 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1354 of 2225 🔗

Granny killers, one and all.

276053 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 37, #1355 of 2225 🔗

How, just how can they do this? If this picture does not move you, you have no heart.

This ranks alongside that photo of the elderly couple separated by a fence and not allowed to touch one another.

Any MPs venturing onto this site, really, really? How can you live with yourselves?

276216 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 11, #1356 of 2225 🔗

I think the worst one was that poor old lady in the care home whose mind was too feeble to understand why her son couldn’t come inside and instead had to talk to her through a closed window. Disgusting and angering.

276151 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 15, #1357 of 2225 🔗

We need a crowdfund to help get his business back once the criminal cabal is ejected.

276220 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Basileus, 5, #1358 of 2225 🔗

Yes. I have been offering contributions to some of the small businesses who have made a stand, but to their credit, they have not wanted anything. I feel like Peter Sellers in The Millionairess , trying to give money away but people are too principled to accept it!

276045 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 9, #1359 of 2225 🔗

That is devastating there is no way this isn’t having an effect on a vast number of police officers.

276075 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JHuntz, 15, #1360 of 2225 🔗

Police seem happy about getting lots of overtime – I doubt they have ever had such a good year. Every single one I have met this year has been a completely heartless, arrogant and power obsessed.

276130 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Darryl, 9, #1361 of 2225 🔗

They’re never as robust when they meet real criminality. Surely they have now lost the trust of the public.

276561 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1362 of 2225 🔗

Lol they’re all dumb all over. I’d be embarrassed if i took the police test and they said you’re just what we’re looking for

276590 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1363 of 2225 🔗

Good, I hope they all suffer from the level of deep depression and terminal anxiety that they are inducing in others. NO SYMPATHY!

276058 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Ben, 21, #1364 of 2225 🔗

Why do the police wear masks no need to outside god I hate those cunts

276099 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Nic, 12, #1365 of 2225 🔗

and they only wear them outside when policing protests. otherwise they are happily maskless

276148 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Nic, 2, #1366 of 2225 🔗

Yes sir. I agree.

276082 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ben, 12, #1367 of 2225 🔗

Are those policemen proud of what they are doing? Or is it just the overtime?

276124 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ben, 5, #1368 of 2225 🔗

Is it just me, or does anybody else see concern or even fear in that coppers eyes?

Its a tenuous thread to hang from, but spiders do it well enough.

276150 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Old Bill, 3, #1369 of 2225 🔗

I can see what you mean – definitely concern, but fear in his eyes is also evident to me.

276145 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ben, 5, #1370 of 2225 🔗

Honestly, what words would do that imagine justice?

276241 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Ben, 4, #1371 of 2225 🔗

Really difficult from a single photo to judge what is going on.

I suspect a few coppers who joint the force expect 30 years of service and a decent pension are worried that they are being used by the state. I am sure some of them expected to help old ladies cross the road, catch real baddies and generally do good. Not do what they are doing at the moment. They just wanted to be Constable George Dixon.

Some obviously just want a fight and to control people, regardless of who it is.

Hopefully some of the good coppers will realise that what they are being told to do it wrong.

276361 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1372 of 2225 🔗

In the Simon Dolan Twitter link above the photo, within the comments section is a link to a video of the man’s arrest, which I cannot bring myself to watch

276523 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1373 of 2225 🔗

George Dixon vs PC in 2020

276744 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Ben, 1, #1374 of 2225 🔗

This is what lockdown looks like.
This is what lockdown feels like .
This is what you MPs are voting for.

276039 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1375 of 2225 🔗

Another one to add to the nuttery

Professor Anthony Staines – another of Ireland’s lockdown zealots, vaccine pusher and all round zero-COVID nutter. One of those people who wears a wet dishrag on his face for his twatter profile. Extract from recent article https://extra.ie/2020/11/28/news/irish-news/anthony-staines-lockdowns-ireland-2021 – highlights are mine

  • DCU Health Systems Professor Anthony Staines has now warned that if our approach does not change, Ireland could be facing another three or four lockdowns before the end of 2021.
  • People are going to socialise over Christmas. We need advice on how to do it, because what we absolutely don’t want is half the grannies in Ireland dying in early January.
  • ‘People need clear advice on what to do and how to do it. Unless you put drones with guns on them flying around the streets, people are going to see their relatives.
  • Professor Staines also told Extra.ie that opening bars and restaurants is a ‘step too far’. He noted that ‘ alcohol and the virus do not mix’ .
  • He noted Ireland could benefit from putting 2,500 contact tracers ‘on the ground’. This would involve, he explained, calling into people’s homes and standing on driveways to establish where cases are coming from.
  • Prof Staines also called on the Government and Health Minister Stephen Donnelly to give Gardaí adequate power to run checkpoints at the border and around the country.

We are in serious trouble with these kinds of lunatics around – surely there must be a way of getting them sanctioned?

Oh, and he’s also pushing mandatory vaccines: https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1333391698324574208

276054 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1376 of 2225 🔗

Thing is, because of these nutters, the suicide rate has gone up massively

276071 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1377 of 2225 🔗

I don’t suppose all the Irish could just tell him “eff” and “off”?

276135 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to thinkaboutit, #1378 of 2225 🔗

The majority here are supportive of being imprisoned in their own homes.

276139 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1379 of 2225 🔗

Socio-psychopath. I hope that he gets to see the inside of a cell.

276333 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to godowneasy, #1380 of 2225 🔗

I cannot understand the panic in Ireland . If you grade the countries in Europe according to deaths/1M population , Ireland is exactly halfway at 414 , with Cyprus and Norway lowest at 40 and 61 respectively and Belgium , Spain, Italy and UK worst affected at 1425, 955, 920 and 859 respectively. Furthermore the peak of 2nd wave cases was over a month ago on Oct 20 and the 2nd wave deaths are currently at a 7 day average of just 4. In fact if you had no cases data you would find it almost impossible to detect any 2nd wave from the current mortality statistics. It seems that , from the point of view of deadly infection the covid has come and gone. There seems no rationality for prolonging the economic and social agony.

276923 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to mikewaite, #1381 of 2225 🔗

Correct – there is no need for any of this.

276046 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1382 of 2225 🔗

Not sure if good, or bad.

Big Bad Ed threatens Boris: DT live feed.

Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey has said the party’s MPs are prepared to not back the Government’s plans for a tiered system of coronavirus restrictions to replace England’s national lockdown.

Increasing pressure amid a potentially large Tory rebellion, Sir Ed wrote to Prime Minister Boris Johnson to say the eleven Lib Dem MPs would withhold their support unless a series of demands were met, including the Government publishing the scientific evidence underpinning the plans, detailing a clearer exit strategy and providing extra financial support for pubs.

In a statement, the MP added: “As it stands, we cannot in all conscience vote for this unsafe plan. The Government has failed once again to put together a plan to bring the virus under control and keep people safe.

“The new tier system is arbitrary, confused and chaotic, and the Government has failed yet again to deliver the test, trace and isolate strategy to beat this virus and end this pandemic.”

276087 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1383 of 2225 🔗

Anything that adds to govt woes is welcome in the short term, but extra financial support is NOT what is needed. And asking for a clear exit strategy is plain silly – they know full well the vaccine is the only plan, and they need to decide now how they feel about that.

276214 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Julian, 1, #1384 of 2225 🔗

Maybe welcome in the short term, but a policy of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” has a habit of backfiring.

276117 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1385 of 2225 🔗

“Beat this virus” what a Canute!!!

276123 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1386 of 2225 🔗

Wow. Backbone from the Lib Dims. About fucking time.

276171 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Ceriain, #1387 of 2225 🔗

The only party at Westminster who is not in power anywhere in GB. Which means they don’t have to tie themselves in knots like the other parties. It’s a great opportunity for them.

276063 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1389 of 2225 🔗

must be cos of lockdown….

276104 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1390 of 2225 🔗

What else can it possibly be!

276132 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1391 of 2225 🔗

Obviously lockdown. And masks. And reasons. The data couldn’t possibly be manipulated…

276113 ▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1392 of 2225 🔗

Confirms the ONS and Zoe surveys which had the peak of infections in the week ending the 23rd October. Peak of deaths was last week. Sweet FA to do with lockdown or indeed the tiers as the tiered areas peaked before the tiers came in because herd immunity had been achieved.

276050 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1393 of 2225 🔗

Is it time for the pig dictator to be fat checked

276056 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1394 of 2225 🔗

and rendered down

276069 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1395 of 2225 🔗

They seem to have struggled to find well-fitting lab-coats and overalls for him in all his recent photo ops. They burst at the seams.
Maybe that post-Covid diet and exercise regime was hard work. And we know he doesn’t do hard work.

276065 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 63, #1396 of 2225 🔗

Today’s been disturbing.

Goal posts starting to move further back from April to “summer” for the “return to something close to normal” and now, vaccine minister Nadhim Zahawi basically stating what many have feared which is that the plan is to create a two-tier society for the vaccinated and un-vaccinated.

The vaccine will not be mandatory, but not taking it will have “consequences” – in other words you will remain in a form of lockdown for the rest of your life if you refuse to comply.

This is sinister beyond belief and frankly evil. The real world is now exceeding even the most dystopian Black Mirror episodes.

276078 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Joseph, 27, #1397 of 2225 🔗

“This is sinister beyond belief and frankly evil.”

That sums it up.

It also contravenes the ECHR.

Time to bluntly ask : on which side of the gas chamber door would you have stood?

276102 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 15, #1398 of 2225 🔗

It also contravenes British law. These are meaningless and unenforceable threats.

276107 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Will, 4, #1399 of 2225 🔗

The West is no longer ruled by laws.

It is ruled by men.

276187 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 6, #1400 of 2225 🔗

British law is not what it was.

276217 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Will, 6, #1401 of 2225 🔗

We shall find out tomorrow whether British law still protects the citizen.

276081 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Joseph, 5, #1402 of 2225 🔗

That’s why the fella who writes them isn’t anymore. He said so many are coming true that it is no longer science fiction.

276092 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Joseph, 8, #1403 of 2225 🔗

LOL – there’ll be legal challenges all over that…..

276103 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Joseph, 3, #1404 of 2225 🔗

Do you think the judges doing Simon Dolan’s case are listening to that? If all the regulations are not pulled now this is what we may have.

276335 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Joseph, 2, #1405 of 2225 🔗

But as planned all along but we were all nutters weren’t we?

276658 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1406 of 2225 🔗

People told me I was engaging in “catastrophic thinking” when I told them this would happen. Now it’s happening, they seem to think it’s totally fine…

276125 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1408 of 2225 🔗

It’s like Brewster’s Millions but without the happy ending.

276137 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to JHuntz, -3, #1409 of 2225 🔗

All money is created out of thin air and has been for centuries.

Section 15 of the Exchequer and Audit Act 1866 is you’re interested. HM Treasury orders the Bank of England to make payments and it does.

Private banks do the same every time they create a loan.

You’ll note the world hasn’t ended. The UK is actually quite good at banking.

276167 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1410 of 2225 🔗

You do keep beating this tired drum.

Iff the creation of money consistently exceeds the production of goods and services then hyperinflation results – and that is what is coming.




276181 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 2, #1411 of 2225 🔗

Collapse of fiat currencies so they can introduce digital money.Sunak and the ECB are already talking publicly about this.End of freedom

276182 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #1412 of 2225 🔗

What has happened to the purchasing power of the Pound Sterling since 1866?

276186 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Lucan Grey, #1413 of 2225 🔗

One of Sturgeon’s lot genuinely thought they could just go on printing Scottish banknotes after independence without any recourse to the Bank of England. And millions would presumably vote for such a policy.

276218 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Lucan Grey, #1414 of 2225 🔗

Where did I assert the world has ended???

276163 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JHuntz, #1415 of 2225 🔗

Yes, very nice, Nic, but what about the bin men, the posties, the shop works, delivery guys, etc .

276085 Eric Bloodaxe, replying to Eric Bloodaxe, 15, #1416 of 2225 🔗

Never mind herd immunity, we seem to have reached herd stupidity.

276215 ▶▶ John P, replying to Eric Bloodaxe, 4, #1417 of 2225 🔗

We achieved that in March. In fact we probably achieved both in March.

276086 Laura Suckling, 15, #1418 of 2225 🔗

Freedom’s flown from our great Nation
Leaving just a memory
Snatched it from a generation
Tyranny is all that’s left for me
Tyranny’s what you leave behind for me
We all now have our backs against the wall
We all now have our backs against the wall

We don’t need no vaccination
We don’t need no state control
We need sedition from the masses
‘Leaders’ leave us plebs alone
Hey, ‘Leaders’ leave us plebs alone
We all now have our backs against the wall
We all now have our backs against the wall

We don’t need no vaccination
We don’t need no state control
We need sedition from the masses
‘Leaders’ leave us plebs alone
Hey, ‘Leaders’ leave us plebs alone
We all now have our backs against the wall
We all now have our backs against the wall

I need to feel some arms around me
I now need booze and drugs to calm me
I have seen the writing on the wall
Perhaps I need the sharpest tool
Yes, perhaps I need them all

276089 Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 10, #1419 of 2225 🔗

Just spoken to a chap in West yorkshire I jokingly commented we have armed border guards in Wales he actually believed it.I can’t imagine what the fuck happened to his nut.

276115 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 2, #1420 of 2225 🔗

Has the Rapists Dad annexed Tunbridge Wells?

276174 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1421 of 2225 🔗

His paedo kiddo, somehow diagnosed as a retard and in the chokey for 8 years?
The paedo apple doesn’t fall far from the paedo tree

276120 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 4, #1422 of 2225 🔗

I can’t say I would be surprised either.

I am almost getting to the stage where nothing would surprise me.

276194 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 1, #1423 of 2225 🔗

Tanks in the Pantiles, as I type….

276109 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1424 of 2225 🔗

Does anyone know if there are any plans in place to prevent the pig dictator, mandy, and the other killers escaping the country after the court case tomorrow?

276112 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1425 of 2225 🔗

They’ll have immunity somehow, I’m sure they have a long list of people they can throw under the bus first.

276234 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1426 of 2225 🔗

You expect SD to win? I think the timing of the judgement being handed down STINKS

276114 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1427 of 2225 🔗

7 day average for positive tests.
Does anyone know what’s happened to mass testing? Seems like another brilliant idea’s bitten the dust!

276129 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to NickR, 3, #1428 of 2225 🔗

I guess people got wise and stopped going?

276189 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1429 of 2225 🔗

I’m hoping this is the case – that most people do not want to risk enforced quarantine. I would rather people rejected it through rational thought rather than instinctive self interest, but it’s a start.

276131 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #1431 of 2225 🔗


276128 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1433 of 2225 🔗

oops sorry just posted about this. Well said.

276134 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1434 of 2225 🔗

I think so as well.

276119 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #1435 of 2225 🔗

Hospital admissions was flatlining before the lockdown, so it wasn’t needed. It’s now heading down which shows there aren’t more deaths coming!

276156 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to NickR, 2, #1436 of 2225 🔗

But, but, third wave surge ‘potential cases’ spike er, er… going-up thing!!

276126 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #1437 of 2225 🔗

Deaths lag about 4 weeks behind any action on infection so the figures we see now still haven’t been influenced 1 iota by the lockdown, this drop was already ‘baked in’ (as Whitty says) prior to the lockdown.

276164 ▶▶ ChrisH29, replying to NickR, 9, #1438 of 2225 🔗

Of course that is the case. Witless and Valueless and the rest of SAGE were desperate for John-Son and Wancock to impose a lockdown and/or “circuit break’ so that they could ride the tails of the normal winter flu season with the inevitable increase in respiratory deaths and then claim that it was their insight and swift action that save thousands of lives rather than the typical path of the winter respiratory infection season.

They know it is nonsense but the only hope that they have, at the very least of avoiding lifelong ridicule as incompetent imbeciles, or more seriously jail for wilfully misleading the Government, is to hope that nature takes its course and they can savage their jobs, claiming credit of the passage of nature.

They will not, however, be able to salvage their self respect for they must know that they are responsible for the deaths of thousands and a minimum.

276196 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to ChrisH29, 5, #1439 of 2225 🔗

They needed the lockdown as cover for all the numbers falling.

You have to wonder what these figures would look like if they allowed for the true false positive rate on recorded “cases” and deaths.

Mike Yeadon suggests the FPR at around 5%, but also we need to realise they always report absolute numbers which is also misleading, it should be quoted as a number per 100,000 or 10,000 tests.

If the daily figure is 15,000 on two consective days, but the tests performed on those two days are 250,000 and 350,000 respectively thats a massive difference.

They happily report figures per 100,000 when it suits their narrative.

276546 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to ChrisH29, 2, #1440 of 2225 🔗

They’re not misleading the government, the government is telling them what to say after they’ve been told what to say by the NWO

276608 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to ChrisH29, #1441 of 2225 🔗

Just hang on in there, the devastation bottled up in mask wearing will come to fruition in due time.

276127 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 12, #1442 of 2225 🔗

I tend to stay away from MSM and screens in general over the weekend and Mondays I have off with my kids but just saw Laurence Foxs latest! I never used to like him much but fully agree with him. Sorry if posted previously.


276144 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Janice21, 15, #1443 of 2225 🔗

How dare he criticize our fantastic NHS?

If he thinks he has a better dancing routine, then why doesn’t he show us?

276162 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to calchas, 4, #1444 of 2225 🔗

I think his Tiktok choreography is strong

276161 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Janice21, 9, #1445 of 2225 🔗

He will get a lot of stick but he’s moving the Overton Window as far as criticizing the NHS goes

276172 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 6, #1446 of 2225 🔗

Comments are about 50/50.His point about shutting down everything to save the NHS has gone right over a lot of people’s heads.

276152 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 18, #1447 of 2225 🔗

Panto hell zone
This looks fun. What the freekin hell do these people think they are doing? As if those plastic screen will do any good what so ever, idiots.

276154 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 14, #1448 of 2225 🔗

stay safe you fucktards

276157 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, 12, #1449 of 2225 🔗

They have no future, courtesy of their own compliance.

276173 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1450 of 2225 🔗

Is it that theatre in Manchester that got Twitter-mobbed when they were telling everyone how great it was that masks, screens, temp checks, sanitiser, distancing etc was compulsory in their theatre? They just didn’t seem to understand why they were getting negative comments.

276177 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1451 of 2225 🔗

no its our local theatre

276203 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1452 of 2225 🔗

Hopefully it will be closed forever

276210 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1453 of 2225 🔗

We’re ready to open our doors and welcome you safely back to the theatre


276605 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to 2 pence, 1, #1454 of 2225 🔗

That link is to the most spine-chilling horror movie I’ve ever watched.

276282 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1455 of 2225 🔗

These people are just weird. And sick. And gullible.

Wickible? New word, maybe?

I just don’t know where to START with these maniacs …

276165 Gareth, replying to Gareth, 19, #1456 of 2225 🔗

Does anyone else scream at Matt Hancock telling him that he speaking absolute bollocks!

276166 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Gareth, 9, #1457 of 2225 🔗

Yep, just scared the dog.

276204 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1458 of 2225 🔗

I mentioned the other day that one of my dogs threw up while Bozo was speaking on the TV the other day. The animals are suffering far too much.

276169 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Gareth, 11, #1459 of 2225 🔗

I can’t watch him. I don’t think he is any good for my sanity.