2020-12-01

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277089 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 53, #1 of 2297 🔗

What about analysing the supposed benefits of lockdowns and the tier system?

I have just read the newspaper headlines. All the discussion is about the economic impacts of lockdowns and tier restrictions.

Very little mention of the physical and mental health aspects.

Absolutely nothing questioning whether there are any benefits from imposing these restrictions. Surely that must be made a big part of the debate – especially the repeated claims that the recent reduction in numbers is attributable to lockdown 2

277096 ▶▶ aidan, replying to SilentP, 25, #2 of 2297 🔗

Yeah, the report basically admits they have no evidence for lockdowns being good… But without them people might spend less because of voluntary social distancing (actually says this). Well, tell a lie – they do say lockdowns have reduced traffic so have saved lives from traffic accidents 😮 Can’t fault them on that, can we (rolls eyes)

277839 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to aidan, 3, #3 of 2297 🔗

Dear .
“Mistake” 1311 People POSITIVE Last Week 🤦‍♂️ My Faith Is GONE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fib7S9JVgdo

277099 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to SilentP, 42, #4 of 2297 🔗

Keeps the common people from wrecking the planet by flying while saving the skies for special people.
Gives the Police time to practice using the new powers they will get next year.
Rips apart the evil alcohol pushing industry while leaving gastropubs open for the nice people down south.
Get the students to realise that getting taught in the built environment is ridiculous when it can all be done on Zoom.

The list goes on and on.

277124 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 6, #5 of 2297 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AijNCV_JWMs
Ironically the Tories now have quite a few northern English seats, but this Victoria Wood clip from Thatcher’s time reveals their underlying attitudes.

277601 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 4, #6 of 2297 🔗

Spot on. So many advantages. We are so blessed.

277812 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 15, #7 of 2297 🔗

Numerous virtue-signalling celebrities, politicians, blue ticks – Caroline Lucas, Greta Thunberg, Tony Blair…. They’ll all be flying around the world in their zero carbon private jets and drinking champagne whilst shaming the working class for lighting a candle

278581 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ben, 3, #8 of 2297 🔗

I was a ‘green ‘ fuck them now..

277111 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to SilentP, 20, #9 of 2297 🔗

Absolutely spot on. The rhetoric doesn’t seem to have moved on from the “lives v the economy” mantra, when in actual fact it is really “lives v lives” On the one hand, the restrictions are causing deaths directly and indirectly and will continue to do so. The deaths caused are just the tip of the iceberg (although massive in number) when compared to the immense suffering caused as evidenced by the nurse in the above testimony and the likely outcome of the upcoming economic devastation to name just two tangible effects. On the other hand, how many lives have the restrictions saved? Most people look at the number of deaths attributed to Covid (circa 60k?) but the actual amount saved could actually be as small as zero. Let us not forget, the lockdowns are designed to suppress the virus only, thereby pushing infections into the future NOT preventing them. The only lives saved are those saved if new therapies or vaccines arrive. The number saved would be very difficult to quantify but since the evidence suggests that the majority of susceptible patients have already succumbed to the disease, the figure is likely to be very low.

277321 ▶▶ chris, replying to SilentP, 13, #10 of 2297 🔗

One often reported benefit is that a lockdown reduces atmospheric CO2. However it is not correct. I have personally tracked CO2 over the pandemic and the rate of annual increase was very similar to the last decade. I would have thought the massive reduction in transport should have shown up but it hasn’t. Perhaps more interesting is that the annual expected increase between Oct and Nov this year is twice that of last year despite the continuing reduction in transport emissions. (Last year it was 2.13ppm this year it is 4.21 ppm)

277529 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chris, 8, #11 of 2297 🔗

More people heating their homes throughout the day rather than sharing a heated office ……

277540 ▶▶▶▶ chris, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #12 of 2297 🔗

That’s northern hemisphere only.

277729 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to chris, 5, #13 of 2297 🔗

Presumably it would be aircon in the southern hemisphere, especially as latitudes tend to be lower….

277876 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris, replying to Mark, 2, #14 of 2297 🔗

Only really southern USA, Middle East. Little AC in africa, China, India, South America, Antipodes (due to small population) and far east. BUT heating and air conditioning are not the main source of anthropogenic CO2. Transport is the largest human caused source. My point related to that. Of course none of us knows the true reasn for a sudden doubling of the growth in atmospheric C02 but it’s odd that it occurred when the most prolific emitters drastically reduced emissions ,

278545 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chris, #15 of 2297 🔗

Maybe air pollution blocks the carbon diioxide?

277792 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to chris, 2, #16 of 2297 🔗

Massive increase in internet use. All those servers need powering somehow.

277816 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to chris, 7, #17 of 2297 🔗

Man-made climate change skeptics have been pointing out for decades that, historically, a rise in temperature is followed by a rise in CO2, not the other way around.

278542 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chris, 1, #18 of 2297 🔗

Send this to Piers Corbyn. See what he thinks about it.

277691 ▶▶ Ben, replying to SilentP, 14, #19 of 2297 🔗

Those who commit crimes against humanity must conceal their crimes. That’s what’s happening in Ireland, whereby the Irish Gov’t has stopped recording suicides since lockdown began

It would help enormously if Lockdown Sceptics, Off-Guardian or any other journalist or publication was brave enough to list the names of all those ministers, MPs and others who stand to profit from lockdown, the vaccines and tech companies. Some are getting very rich from the track and trace scheme. The stone needs turning over in the sunshine

277980 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 2, #20 of 2297 🔗

“List the names”!? WASTE OF TIME… They feel absolutely CONFIDENT that nothing will happen to them.

Until several Jedburgh’s actions aren’t executed nothing will change except the things the SRF & Billionaires via jesters want to CHANGE!

278557 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #21 of 2297 🔗

Good idea. Then send the results to all and sundry. Embarrass the heck out of them.

278561 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to SilentP, 1, #22 of 2297 🔗

We just need to STOP COVID TYRANNY NOW .

279333 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to SilentP, 1, #23 of 2297 🔗

An honest moment here. I had problems with mental illness last year and worked through severe anxiety with the help of an NHS backed CBT programme. My GP was obviously aware of the programme and I consented to the data and reports from the programme being shared. I have down days, but generally I do much better these days despite Covid. However, Between March and now not once has any health care professional been in contact with me to check my mental well-being. If that is being replicated across the country then………

277092 bobdobbs0507, 2, #24 of 2297 🔗

2nd?

277094 MUSICGIRL, replying to MUSICGIRL, 4, #25 of 2297 🔗

Good morning all, never been 3rd before!

277226 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to MUSICGIRL, 1, #26 of 2297 🔗

Third the one with the hairy chest.

277095 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 2, #27 of 2297 🔗

turd

277102 ▶▶ annie, replying to Recusant, 15, #28 of 2297 🔗

No, Turd(geon) lives in Scotland and is too busy destroying the country to post here.

277098 MUSICGIRL, replying to MUSICGIRL, 34, #29 of 2297 🔗

And so to reality – the section about vaccination is so worrying. I have an amazing and beautiful friend who’s gone down an anti-vaxx K-hole is what I can describe it and she’s absolutely terrified. I’m sceptical because how can we know side effects long term within 6 months or be assured our children’s children won’t be affected. I feel it’s so utterly irresponsible of the media to suggest cinemas, pubs and the like ‘could’ require proof when no vaccine has even been approved yet. It’s making my frightened friend lose sleep, go into a panic over how she can live her life, I don’t know how I can help her calm down. Any tips?

277114 ▶▶ calchas, replying to MUSICGIRL, 24, #30 of 2297 🔗

Yes – she should join the movement against the inhuman dictatorship.

Collective action with others – campaigns and demonstrations.

She should never forgive and never forget.

277121 ▶▶ Henry, replying to MUSICGIRL, 4, #31 of 2297 🔗

Do you think it will stretch to hospitals?

278285 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Henry, #32 of 2297 🔗

I’d been thinking that!

278563 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Henry, #33 of 2297 🔗

It should stretch from the hospitals.

277128 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to MUSICGIRL, 26, #34 of 2297 🔗

I do not have a smartphone and certainly will not be getting one now and so I guess I would need a paper version like the Yellow Fever card you need to go to Africa. I am hoping that the vaccine system will follow the ‘World Beating’ track and trace system and I will be able to book a jab, not go, but get a card anyway. If that does not work surely you will be able to download a card somewhere?
If this vaccine only has an effect for a limited time period will the date need to be checked as well?
Based on evidence from how well things have gone this year! the administration and documentation of this vaccine hoo-haa seems to have the potential to collapse in chaos.

277841 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #35 of 2297 🔗

If you’ve watched any Bill Gates videos connected to this topic you’ll notice him rubbing his hands on behalf of all Pharma companies in anticipation of an indefinite future of guaranteed profits

There will be multiple vaccines to begin with (four, if I’m correct) followed by yearly boosters. Bill Gates seeks to replace natural immunity with his Microsoft business model

The tech companies who will run the immunity passports (Covid-Pass, Clear, ID-2020 etc) are also rubbing their hands and salivating over the prospect of endless guaranteed profits for their shareholders

Essentially humans are being held hostage for profits by Pharma and tech industries whilst governments get to control us more tightly. A win win for them. A lose lose for us

277135 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to MUSICGIRL, 44, #36 of 2297 🔗

Bearing in mind that the vaccines will probably not provide sterilising immunity, these vaccine/health passports will be totally pointless in medical terms, as vaccinated people will still be able to pass on infection.

So why have them? To provide the basis for an electronic human control grid so the elites can herd their serfs more effectively. And to plum up Big Pharma balance sheets.

This needs to be resisted at all costs.

277210 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to PaulH, 5, #37 of 2297 🔗

So that’s a “no” then. Same here.

277265 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to PaulH, 27, #38 of 2297 🔗

Laurence Fox is offering some strong and well thought out resistance to the vaccine-digital monitoring dogma that even people who should know better, like Julia Hartley-Brewer, seem to have gone along with. The idea that digital passporting will stop at Covid vaccination and go no further is childishly naive. It will be gradually extended to all sorts of social control. With cash outlawed, you movements can effectively be monitored at all times, as you say buy a train ticket and it can be used to control access to the Internet and social media.

277305 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to OKUK, 24, #39 of 2297 🔗

exactly – we all know that on here but the masses are so naive that they think if they get the vaccine then it will ‘all be back to normal’.
As far as i can see and it has been alluded to in media channel the vaxx is just the start of the social control program – vaxx every year for flu etc, they will add other data information onto your “social profile” maybe driving points, your exercise (like a fitbit device to make sure you’re exercising enough) debts and other finance stuff, shopping items and the list goes on.
All enabled by Big Data and technology and algorithms to calculate your social score based on which you will be allowed or denied access to society!!
We are already being restricted to society through the tier system which if in tier 2/3 you bad people and can’t do this or that and this is only the beginning.

If it was just about a one-off vaxx, albeit untested, i wouldn’t be so concerned – but this social scoring like they have in china, is what frankly frightens the shit out of me and so it should of everyone.
It’s all about CONTROLLING the masses!!

277727 ▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to OKUK, 4, #40 of 2297 🔗

Do you have a link for Laurence Fox? Just went through a massive fight with my OH this morning exactly on this topic. His stance is “let’s cross this bridge when we get therein don’t worry about it”, which had me fly into a rage as surely that will be a little too late…

277853 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 4, #41 of 2297 🔗

JHB is controlled opposition I suspect.. There are others too, such as James Melville who’ve campaigned against lockdown for months, but who’ve suddenly begun selling the vaccines. Is Quisling too strong a word?

278569 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, 1, #42 of 2297 🔗

Just say NO! from the word go.

277302 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 1, #43 of 2297 🔗

It does need to be resisted, and it would help if you would get off your fat, lazy backside and create your own identity instead of willfully and presumably intentionally confusing things here by persisting in using an identical identity to one that was already in regular use when you got here.

Here, I’ll explain it again, since you’ve been too rude to bother responding previously (even when approached perfectly politely initially).

This is a blog comment system designed for small occasional discussions, being used instead for long term, in depth exchanges. It lacks a system (common in more substantial discussion forum software) for preventing duplicate identifications because that is not much needed for small numbers and occasional isolated exchanges.

For long term interactions, as here, it’s useful to get a feel for commenters’ wider opinions, to understand the nuances of their comments, and to sustain exchanges over multiple weeks and months of exchanges. That adds considerable value to discussions and allows the creation of a degree of community spirit, rather than the essential temporariness of occasional blog comments.

What you are doing gratuitously interferes with that benefit. It’s inconsiderate, rude and destructive.

277336 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Mark, 2, #44 of 2297 🔗

Yes, you do have a point. I can understand you see it as a point of principle (and you are right), but maybe pragmatically it would simply be easiest to change your own ID to Mark X, Y, Z.

277409 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #45 of 2297 🔗

Pragmatically, I’ve decided just to respond to occasional comments by this inconsiderate new Mark where I feel I need to make it clear his views are not mine, and paste in the above after my rely. Not much effort since I’m here anyway, and saves me having to change my identity here just to accommodate his lack of basic courtesy.

277541 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PaulH, 6, #46 of 2297 🔗

If we take the vaccine makers at their word, then the vaccines will increase the risk of spreading infection. We are told the vaccines will only reduce the symptoms, but not the infectious nature of Covid-19, so it seems they will create the previously entirely mythical, asymptomatic super spreader.

278293 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rowan, 1, #47 of 2297 🔗

Hence the incessant warning us about them!

277141 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to MUSICGIRL, 52, #48 of 2297 🔗

I feel for her. I have felt very frightened. And have a friend who I had to talk down from a full scale panic attack when she heard Wancock say “mandatory vaccines couldn’t be ruled out.” Tell your friend that there is an ARMY out there, fighting for her rights. This includes very senior members of the judiciary and both Houses of Parliament. The UK is a signatory of the European Convention of Human Rights and it would extremely difficult, no matter what Bozzo and chums want, to change that. Medical treatment (including vaccination) by mandate OR coercion is ILLEGAL. This is a PR exercise and should be completely ignored. Just like most of us ignored the track and trace QR codes and the mask mandate. We cannot be forced to give up our liberty so easily, only tricked into it. Tell her to stand strong and ignore the playground bullies shouting in the corner that they are going to “MAKE” people do things. They can’t. That’s why they shout so loud! You are not “anti vax” if you refuse a vaccine that has not been trialled adequately and for a disease you are not at risk of dying from. You are “vaccine aware”. You support “safe trialed vaccines”. You do not support “experimental vaccine” or “unnecessary vaccine”.

277157 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #49 of 2297 🔗

Excellent post that I’m sure will be so helpful for this poor woman and others. I really like the phrases you have compiled so that people can refute the anti-vaxx slur.

277179 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #50 of 2297 🔗

Thanks for being the voice of reason here. It’s appreciated.

277194 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #51 of 2297 🔗

Well said. We should deploy language to our advantage – we are NOT “anti-vaxx” but “vaccine aware.” We support vaccines that have gone through proper rigorous testing and scrutiny, we support vaccines that are necessary and life saving.

We do NOT support vaccines that have been rushed, not been through proper testing & scrutiny and something for an illness that has a 99.9% survival rate.

277291 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #52 of 2297 🔗

No no, you are an anti-vaxxer and a Nazi bigot! The existence of The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in the U.S. is an urban myth, a conspiracy theory, and you are condemning Granny to death!

/s

278659 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Simon Dutton, 3, #53 of 2297 🔗

Dr Judy Mikovits advocates a 5 year moratorium on children’s vaccines. Says they will all be much healthier. I suspect she is right.

277363 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #54 of 2297 🔗

Vaccine aware is a good term. Actually I don’t support the continued expansion of vaccination. Google on “Vaccine Centre + London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine” and you’ll see the ultimate plan is to have a vaccine for every infectious disease. The Imperial College nutjobs, Edmunds, Ferguson etc are all big supporters of the Vaccine Centre (a shadowy entity – no indication where it’s funding comes from, but you don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes).

Is this wise? Is it good to interfere with our natural immunity system – the thing that keeps us all alive and without which we would be dead within a week? There is currently no way of answering those questions, which – for me – suggests we should apply the precautionary principle. That is especially so because since the number of vaccines has been increased hugely, the health of children young people has seen a precipitous decline eg with major increases in obesity, autism, asthma and allergies for instance.

277428 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to OKUK, 8, #55 of 2297 🔗

VERY interesting! I will look into this. Yes, we must call for caution against excessive vaccination like we’ve managed to educate the public on the dangers of excessive antibiotic prescription. Vaccination should ONLY be considered for those who cannot develop immunity due to being compromised. Natural human immunity is always preferable to synthetic vaccination!

278669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #56 of 2297 🔗

IMMUNE SYSTEM
HAS NO
SIDE EFFECTS

279385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #57 of 2297 🔗

Right on!

277945 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to OKUK, 3, #58 of 2297 🔗

THE cost of vaccinating a child according to the schedule has gone up by more than 100 times since the beginning of the millennium

https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5576/rr-4

which may go some way to explain why we can’t afford the hospital infrastructure to cope with a pandemic. Nor do they ever seem to have heard of the concept of over-medication: there’s always room for another one (the American term boondoggle comes to mind). Meanwhile, we are being submerged in chronic illness and neurological disorders. People think vaccines are common sense. Well, people are right that we don’t want the illnesses but the delusion is perhaps believing that there is no trade-off.

https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4564/rapid-responses

And for these people it is just a beginning.

278665 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to OKUK, 1, #59 of 2297 🔗

I posted this above, but it seems more relevant here.

Dr Judy Mikovits advocates a 5 year moratorium on children’s vaccines. Says they will all be much healthier. I suspect she is right.

277867 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #60 of 2297 🔗

Deploy language so as not to exclude people, please, Bart. I’m an anti-vaxxer.

277333 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #61 of 2297 🔗

It’s a bit naive to think that the present Supreme Court will protect our natural human rights. Lord Sumption is sadly a lone voice among the high judiciary (current or former) in speaking out forcibly in defence of our liberty.

277775 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #62 of 2297 🔗

can we try proactively to design a lanyard along the lines ‘Exempt from Pricks’?

277260 ▶▶ stewart, replying to MUSICGIRL, 5, #63 of 2297 🔗

Please ask her to lobby for Liberty 2019.

It means badgering your MP to answer the question: do you or do you not support a return of our civil liberties?

liberty2019.org displays all 650 MPs and you can find out whether your MP supports giving your civil liberties back or not.

278303 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, 2, #64 of 2297 🔗

Mine would probably say “Yes but we must save the NHS first.”

277285 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to MUSICGIRL, 13, #65 of 2297 🔗

She is absolutely right to be worried sick. So am I.

The only way is to fight this and prevent an effective apartheid system being introduced.

And no, I am NOT an ‘anti-vaxxer’. I am against this (these) vaccine(s) on these conditions (indemnity for producers; ‘warp-speed’; low IFR for Covid).

I live outside UK, and am facing the prospect of no longer being able to get into the country (or only with great difficulty). This year I have had to scrap three trips to visit my 86-yr-old mother (who is just as sceptic as I am) because my flights have been cancelled.

But I will not be intimidated/blackmailed into having a dodgy vaccine.

Go on, Starmer, prosecute me.

277517 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #66 of 2297 🔗

I agree entirely.

278570 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #67 of 2297 🔗

Words of wisdom from Number 6:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNYjGVZSnQk

277388 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to MUSICGIRL, 8, #68 of 2297 🔗

Tell her she isn’t alone. There are hundreds of thousands of us vocal about it, and millions of others who share her feelings.

We don’t know yet how this is going to be played out; and I can’t see how companies won’t want the custom of millions of people who don’t have a piece of paper or a picture on a smart phone.

277498 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to MUSICGIRL, 10, #69 of 2297 🔗

The Covid-19 vaccines will be unnecessary, unlicensed and dangerous. Those who have kept a watch on Bill Gates will realise that the harmful nature of the vaccines could well be intentional.

Bill very publicly told us years ago, that he sees vaccines as the best way of obtaining a significant reduction in the global population, which he believes is absolutely vital for the sustainability of the planet and perhaps more likely, for maintaining his way of life.

Bill’s various “generous” vaccine trials in India and Africa have left a long trail of disability, and death behind them. No doubt though, these third world trials were useful and that the knowledge gained will have ensured that the plethora of Covid-19 vaccines will actually deliver the results that Bill and his cronies desire..

Any attempt to restrict people’s freedoms, if they refuse Covid-19 vaccines, will be illegal and must be challenged in the courts.

277820 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Rowan, 1, #70 of 2297 🔗

I don’t get his logic here. Why does he think vaccinations will reduce populations? people have lots of kids for all kinds of reasons, and pretty sure risk of COVID deaths in your 80s isn’t one of them

278306 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sophie123, #71 of 2297 🔗

It depends what the pate is made of. Wuf wuf.

278465 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sophie123, 2, #72 of 2297 🔗

I’m not at all sure that you’ve understood my post, but here goes. Bill and his friends want most of us gone, for what they consider to be sound ecological reasons. The Covid-19 “pandemic” has been a long planned and carefully choreographed event, which all along been about getting one of Bill’s several special vaccines into our bodies. There is no real pandemic and we don’t need vaccinating, so what are the vaccines actually for? It’s not about the money, as Bill and his banker friends can literally print as much as they want.

278599 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Sophie123, 2, #73 of 2297 🔗

I’d imagine people in poor countries would have fewer children if they didn’t lose them to diseases like polio and diphtheria.

279412 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #74 of 2297 🔗

Vaccines have been around for decades even in developing countries. Now instead of having 15 kids with the strongest two surviving, they have 12 survivors. The next generation will be 144 mouths to feed. I remember reading about efforts to get them to use birth control and the efforts failed miserably. Seems to me the best thing to do if you wanted to curb population growth in that case would be to NOT vaccinate them, and that overpopulation and hunger issue would fix itself very soon.
Unless you are a crazy psychopathic globalist who just wants the power to play God and decide who gets to live and reproduce. That’s my take on that.

277758 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to MUSICGIRL, 5, #75 of 2297 🔗

It is important to understand here that the government is trying to have its cake and eat it. The government’s legal position on vaccination is dependent on informed consent ie apart from the legal obligation to gain fully informed consent for all medical interventions they need the decision to lie primarily with the citizen to protect themselves against liability. There are two problems (1) that in reality it is unlikely that they will fulfil the obligation which is absolute to inform people of the limitations and risks of the products and (2) they are stepping up various unpleasant and coercive pressures on the citizen to accept them. This not informed consent in any meaningful sense.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rapid-responses

Also, we are about to see these products rolled out without full publication of the data. Like so much else of what government does at the moment it is profoundly illegal. It is not a question of anti-vax or pro-vax, it is to do with the government’s fraudulent narrative and to do with systematically stripping us of all our rights.

278743 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to MUSICGIRL, 1, #76 of 2297 🔗

Call for evidence – Committees – UK Parliament

You might like to respond with your concerns.

277100 stewart, replying to stewart, 38, #77 of 2297 🔗

A campaign has been launched to pressure MPs to commit to restoring our civil liberties in full. It’s called Liberty 2019 as it demands a return of our civil liberties in full as we enjoyed them in 2019.

Please support it by badgering your MP until he gives an answer to the question: do you or do you not support a return of our 2019 civil liberties.

liberty2019.org

277744 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to stewart, 5, #78 of 2297 🔗

Please send to Toby et al. too to make a permanent link to the website.

Mind you, my MP, who I have written to 5 times for voting against restrictions has always “noted my strong views” and carried on supporting the government blind as a bat.

They will say..” we agree to returning to the full liberties once everyone is vaccinated and has handed over the right to choose for their body. OR: we agree to returning the liberties once the pandemic is over (never basically)…”.

279386 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Pebbles, #79 of 2297 🔗

Don’t believe a word of it. It’s just the beginning of worse to come.

278013 ▶▶ Ben, replying to stewart, 6, #80 of 2297 🔗

We’re being made to suffer so that we surrender and accept the WEF’s new terms for living. To accept endless vaccines and immunity passports. There’s tons of money to be made indefinitely by Pharma and tech companies and some of the politicians pushing for lockdown have shares in the companies that stand to profit

Money corrupts

277101 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 71, #81 of 2297 🔗

Predictable cowards way out by the Labour Party in todays commons vote. We can take it then that Labour MP’s are really voting for a continuation of this lunacy but haven’t got the guts to say so.

Once a party to voice the concern of real working class people (not the London elite), they are a bloody disgrace, in it for themselves people.

277104 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to cloud6, 54, #82 of 2297 🔗

Am I missing something? Surely in one of the most important votes in this seemingly never-ending shitshow, to abstain is surely the most hideous dereliction of duty.

277106 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 31, #83 of 2297 🔗

You aren’t missing something. Labour are.
Not something, actually. Everything.

277251 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to kh1485, 13, #84 of 2297 🔗

It is beyond pathetic. I’ll actually have more respect for people who vote for it – at least they will have made a decision.

277175 ▶▶ Mel, replying to cloud6, 10, #85 of 2297 🔗

This tactic is purely political. Labour wants any split in the Tories on this issue to be fully visible so they can exploit it at PMQs, etc.

277185 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mel, 7, #86 of 2297 🔗

It won’t help them unless they join the side going against the government.

277206 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nottingham69, 14, #87 of 2297 🔗

And they won’t because Labour want harsher lockdowns compared to the rebels who are seeking to turn the clock back to 2019.

277190 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to cloud6, 47, #88 of 2297 🔗

Is anyone else finding themselves politically homeless? I’ve voted conservative in the past but never again after the debacle of the last 9 months. I can’t now support Labour after this complete dereliction of duty, plus they’ve supported this fiasco from the start. There’s nothing on this earth that would persuade me to vote SNP and I don’t think the Lib Dems have uttered a peep since this all started. I’m hoping that Nigel Farage and Laurence Fox are working away behind the scenes and field candidates in Scotland because as things stand, they’ll get my vote.

277253 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #89 of 2297 🔗

The SDP are quite good. Annoyingly, they’ve become a bit soft on anti-lockdown/anti-SD recently. But, they’re not too bad otherwise.

277379 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to kenadams, 9, #90 of 2297 🔗

soft on lockdown is an incompetent party.

278313 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kenadams, 3, #91 of 2297 🔗

Had a gander at the SDP. Looks a bit woke to me.

277256 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 31, #92 of 2297 🔗

Yes, I’m in England but now politically homeless. If one of the new parties steps up and is the real deal, I can vote for them. Otherwise it’s a lifetime of spoiling my ballot paper. If you spoil the paper it has to be shown to the candidates. The incumbents with large majorities are likely to still win next time but we could maybe chip away at their confidence a little.

277270 ▶▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to steph, 7, #93 of 2297 🔗

Quote “If you spoil the paper it has to be shown to the candidates.” It also has to be counted, declared and recorded by the returning officer, so in effect it should send a message to the parties/candidate’s of the voters feelings. However, with the thick skins parties/candidates have they will treat the voters with contempt and ignore.

277427 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to cloud6, 6, #94 of 2297 🔗

What was that slogan in Brewster millions “none of the above”

277433 ▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to steph, 5, #95 of 2297 🔗

The rules are that they have to be shown to the agents (though candidates can look if they wish). I would say that candidates never believe the messages are written for them; they’re always written for the other candidates, of course. No-one cares much at all about the spoilt papers, and that would only change if there were a much, much, MUCH higher number of them.

The only votes that ‘count’ are the ones that get the candidate over the line.

277564 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steph, 6, #96 of 2297 🔗

One has to be careful when spoiling one’s paper. 😉

There was a story from a previous election where the voter drew a ‘cock and balls’ in the space next to the Tory candidate’s name. He was awarded the vote ‘because the full cock and balls was drawn inside the box’; therefore, was counted as a mark against the candidate’s name, which is all that is required to show a choice has been made.

https://metro.co.uk/2015/05/09/voter-draws-massive-penis-on-ballot-paper-gets-counted-and-helps-elect-tory-mp-5188845/

278316 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 2, #97 of 2297 🔗

Massive? Surely the box isn’t big enough for massive?

277387 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 19, #98 of 2297 🔗

I am. I voted labour or SNP and I am now so ashamed I voted this lot in, this is giving me sleepless nights.

I will never vote for them again,ever and if someone started the raving loony party again, I would consider them because nothing can be worse than this lot.

I am now starting to wish I was English and lived in England as I’m also ashamed to be scottish right now and scared because of the mini Hitler we have in power and no one is doing anything to stop them.

278058 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Just about sane, 2, #99 of 2297 🔗

I hear what you’re saying. I’m also contemplating moving south of the border.

278717 ▶▶▶▶ alison, replying to Just about sane, 2, #100 of 2297 🔗

Understand how you feel, also in Scotland and thinking of shipping out to England if independence comes about because I cannot bear the level of intolerance, the lack of dissent and the downright authoritarianism of Krankie. It’s not even one party rule any more, it’s one woman rule. England is bad, but at least there’s some level of public debate and some hope that a political movement against control, wokery, fear and cant could gain momentum. I love Scotland, but I just don’t see the seeds of that necessary assertion of freedom here.

277514 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 10, #101 of 2297 🔗

Yes, I know the feeling. I agree about Farage and Fox and hope they stand in Scotland, too. I’ve studied populism and am not as hostile to it as others in my field. Populism is an essential ‘corrective’ in democracies when things get too heavily dominated by the establishment and disconnected from the people. I suspect we will see a lot more populism next year – if we are allowed to have elections!

278491 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #102 of 2297 🔗

“populism” is just the racists/*phobes/<insert deregatory term of choice here> voting the “wrong” way.

277577 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #103 of 2297 🔗

I was interested to hear Richard Madeley on the Planet Normal podcast tell Allison Pearson that he thought the voters would forget about all this debacle by the time the next general elaction came along in 2024 and just vote as they always had.

I thought it ruined a really great interview; I don’t think he could be any more wrong .

278361 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 4, #104 of 2297 🔗

He’s assuming there will be elections!

278502 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, #105 of 2297 🔗

Very fair point.

278501 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ceriain, 4, #106 of 2297 🔗

Madeley was an avid Boris Johnson supporter at heart and he still thinks the Bozo will come good in the fullness of time. Hmmm!

278580 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, 2, #107 of 2297 🔗

Yeah, sure. Boris is on our side but he doesn’t want to reveal this fact yet.

279267 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to richard riewer, 1, #108 of 2297 🔗

dePiffle is playing such a smart game. Appear, act and be the worst PM since Walpole…until he reveals he’s great.

Of course, he’s toast. He won’t get voted in again. He’ll be ditched before 2024. But what this once-naive llamasaur now realises: he’ll just be replaced by another shill (& will get rewarded handsomely for his service in “retirement”)…and the sham will continue. We ain’t got no democracy.

279390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #109 of 2297 🔗

Mr Johnson is a stooge. Wait for him to become great and you will wait in vain.

277620 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #110 of 2297 🔗

The Reclaim party

278587 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #111 of 2297 🔗

NHS: National Hairytic(k) Society.

277836 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #112 of 2297 🔗

For me it’s either going to be some new party (maybe Fox or Farage) but with little hope of it being anything other than a protest vote. Or, more likely, spoiling the ballot paper with a big cross over the entire thing.

277854 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #113 of 2297 🔗

The Conservatives will reinvent themselves. They always do. Like Dr Who. The best chance to get a proper change is from inside existing power. It’s just that I don’t see leadership anywhere in them.

278507 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #114 of 2297 🔗

They have no intention of reinventing themselves. Their plan is to eliminate all opposition, quite literally.

278455 ▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #115 of 2297 🔗

Yes! This is exactly how I feel living in Scotland (Aberdeenshire) just now. I’ve always been a Torry voter to help keep the SNP at bay. When we next get an election I am going to have to think very hard about how I will vote, especially if there no new parties.

277203 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to cloud6, 16, #116 of 2297 🔗

Labour’s stance doesn’t surprise me. They’ve sold out a long time ago and if you’re aware of their history they’ve always had a wing of the party that held the working class and their values in contempt. Which they kept hidden for years until the Blair years when the mask began to slip.

And “bigotgate” in 2010 laid bare to all what Labour really thought of their core vote.

277279 ▶▶ Ben, replying to cloud6, 13, #117 of 2297 🔗

Labour are deliberately sinking the lifeboats which might save us.

Politicians are insulated against the suffering that lockdowns impose on everyone else

I’m depressed and frightened for the future. Is there even a future?

277556 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 6, #118 of 2297 🔗

Before taking over at Labour Keir Starmer was approved by Conservative Central Office and more importantly by Bibi Netanyahu, so he is the real thing.

277635 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Rowan, #119 of 2297 🔗

Anti semitic conspiracy theories undermine your entire credibility and argument.

278369 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #120 of 2297 🔗

Why? Corbyn was nudged out of the election by the anti-semitic smear campaign. Stank to high heaven at the time, no matter what your thoughts on Corbyn were.

278513 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #121 of 2297 🔗

Thank you for saving me the task of educating Ms Watson.

279391 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, #122 of 2297 🔗

Netanyahu is a nasty piece of work.

277103 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #123 of 2297 🔗

Further to yesterdays contributor about Civil Servants getting a one off £100.00 bung, The Herald reports that the turdgeon is giving away £500.00 to all NHS Scotland and social care workers* as a ‘thank you’ and asking bozo to make it tax free.

*presumably that means State sector only

277249 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to karenovirus, 9, #124 of 2297 🔗

I really hope this doesn’t actually placate civil servants (I am one btw) – why on earth would anyone think it ok to sacrifice their liberty and all art, culture, sport and socialising, in order to receive a paltry amount of money as a bonus?

277262 ▶▶ steph, replying to karenovirus, 7, #125 of 2297 🔗

And asking rUK to fund it no doubt?
It really is time for all decent Scots to tell Nicola to do one.

277308 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to steph, 3, #126 of 2297 🔗

She’s descended to actual bribery. As for it being tax-free, I thought the SNP supported higher taxes?

278072 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to steph, 2, #127 of 2297 🔗

We’re doing our damdest but the voting system set up has seen the SNP win the last couple of elections despite more people voting for other parties.

277315 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to karenovirus, 8, #128 of 2297 🔗

I would say it’s state sector only. So all those carers employed in the private sector with zero hours contracts, who work some weeks 60+ hours a week for minimum wage and have worked right through this with crap PPE will not see a penny.

She’s also dishing out more money , where it’s coming from is questionable.
“The SNP leader also announced payments of £100 to households which are currently in receipt of free school meals, as part of a £100m fund to help low-income Scots this winter.
About a quarter of this is to be spent on winter grants to low income families, benefiting about 150,000 households.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55124729

She is going to give free school dinners to ALL primary children.

This is what I call buying votes.

277642 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Just about sane, 3, #129 of 2297 🔗

This is what I call buying votes.

There isn’t an election coming up in May by any chance, is there? 😉

278731 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to Just about sane, 2, #130 of 2297 🔗

Yes, know it’s off topic but that free dinners thing is incredibly annoying. Since when did it become the tax player’s responsibility to buy lunch and also breakfast I understand, when the vast majority of parents can feed their children without state assistance? What kind of parent sends the kids to school without sorting arrangements for their breakfasts? Do we want to promote such frankly pretty poor behaviour?

277105 annie, replying to annie, 47, #131 of 2297 🔗

The current situation reminds me of the moment in Huis clos when the door to freedom is wide open, but all the inmates refuse to go through it.
The door to freedom in Britain is wide open.The English Gestapo and the Welsh KGB couldn’t do a thing if the population, or even a substantial fraction of it, simply disobeyed. (The Scots wouldn’t even see the door.) But apart from us, they won’t go through the door because they are cowards.
Cowardice is the strongest prison that could possibly be devised. And it has the power to imprison everybidy, not just the cowards themselves.

277170 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 42, #132 of 2297 🔗

Plato thinks that the prisoners in the cave would be most unhappy if forced to leave it: the sun would hurt their eyes.

For me personally an irony of this current madness is that I may appear to other members of my university to be physically brave (or cavalier), because I continue to teach on campus, which my colleagues by and large regard as a plague zone. But it would be utterly bogus for me to posture in this way; I have zero physical courage, I’m really very risk averse. The point is that, as we all know, the risk to my health posed by teaching in person (even if my students were not all seated 2m apart) is trivial. There’s nothing physically brave about going to work as usual.

On the other hand, it does take some moral courage to plough such a solitary furrow. Thus
the major risk I face at work is the temptation to grandiosity. As I stride across campus, the only academic, it would appear, within several miles, I must quell the impulse to murmur, ‘l’universite, c’est moi…’

277390 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Alethea, 21, #133 of 2297 🔗

This is what is utterly beyond my comprehension. How have a vast majority of academics (and the professional class generally) become so totally irrational?

277418 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 19, #134 of 2297 🔗

I’m also a university lecturer and am totally disgusted by what I’m seeing. While I’m not entirely surprised – the groupthink and lack of critical reasoning has been a problem for some time (hence the ‘woke’ culture) – I was not expecting it to be so bad in the ‘hard’ sciences. I’m currently in political science, which was infiltrated by the woke some time ago (though they should recognise authoritarianism when they see it), but I was in the biological sciences years ago, and it wasn’t so bad back then. It’s so discouraging. These people will be the first to be imprisoned if things go hardcore authoritarian and they can’t even see it.

278842 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #135 of 2297 🔗

My in-laws were both academics and left-wing. I have no idea how they’ll sit with the woke culture of today but I can imagine that they will be on board with it, if not 100% but at least 95% of it.

Although I didn’t finish my PhD due to financial reasons, I’m now thankful I didn’t and never ended up in academia. I can imagine I would be bullied and forced out for not going along with the groupthink.

278378 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alethea, 3, #136 of 2297 🔗

Le symbole de la democratie c’est toi!

278827 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alethea, 1, #137 of 2297 🔗

Congratulations Alethea, you will be remembered when this is all over, in a good way.

277377 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to annie, 19, #138 of 2297 🔗

Very well put.

I mentioned the fact that cowardice never leads to anything good when I wrote to my MP on the anniversary of the national day of shame that was Munich. (Never got a reply of course.)

My wife is Czech; for Czech people Munich is one of the defining events of their identity and the source of a very healthy scepticism toward the ‘West’.

The health ID passes idea has also been floated (much more tentatively) in CR. Thankfully, the readers comments on the piece in mainstream idnes.cz were almost universally negative, scathingly so. Like all former Soviet-bloc countries, they (or many more of them) recognize totalitarianism when they see it. Sadly it seems many in the West do not.

All this is important, because the agenda is truly global. So it is vital that as many countries as possible stand up to it.

The EU (and Germany especially) is strongly behind the health ID passports.

278097 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 5, #139 of 2297 🔗

I imagine that one of the four or five countries that Klaus Schwab states will lead things in his not so great reset is Germany. I wonder if most of the resistance to this nonsense is from the former East-side.

279392 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #140 of 2297 🔗

Merkel. Christian Democrat. Sure.

277602 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to annie, #141 of 2297 🔗

Great post. Thank you!

277844 ▶▶ Edward, replying to annie, 2, #142 of 2297 🔗

I’m not familiar with Huis Clos, but there is the Bunuel film The Exterminating Angel in which the characters are unable to leave a room although there is nothing physically stopping them.

277107 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 29, #143 of 2297 🔗

At karenovirus’ suggestion I am reposting this link to a brilliant piece In The Critic. An excoriating account by an NHS doctor. Pretty devastating indictment of the current NHS regime, and the way things are done in medicine and medical politics. The Westminster regime is also torn enjoyably to bits.

As karenovirus pointed out, the article also contains a link to a Jordan Peterson piece that is a supremely essential reading.

https://thecritic.co.uk/a-day-in-the-life-of-the-covid-physician/

“Caring, very intelligent medics and scientists rarely reach these echelons of power and influence. They are simply too nice. They are politically sabotaged or self-sabotage through their own inability to dishonestly follow the official line. They quietly do good work while others plot incompetent ascents to the top. When they speak for us, they are no-platformed and censored. They are not allowed to tell the truth but would be shielded and richly rewarded for telling official lies.“

277120 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 38, #144 of 2297 🔗

Brilliant article. I am refusing to use the video technology to assess patients as in my opinion it is not as safe as assessing them face to face. It is incredibly difficult and enormous pressure is being applied to me.

277441 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TJS123, 2, #145 of 2297 🔗

Thank you.

277616 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to TJS123, 6, #146 of 2297 🔗

Then you are a wonderful example of what a doctor should be. I am sorry to hear that you are under such pressure. It is appalling but you know that everyone here will support you.

277644 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TJS123, 3, #147 of 2297 🔗

Thank you. 🙂

277658 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to TJS123, 6, #148 of 2297 🔗

Perhaps covid is laying bare things that urgently needed laying bare. Last time I went to my GP was about six years ago, so long before this nonsense. I was in there for about five minutes and throughout that time, the GP’s eyes never moved away from his computer screen. My late father, who was a GP, was wont to say in his later, (verrrry much) grumpier years, that doctors no longer examined patients. So perhaps now bad doctors don’t notice the difference. But you, Teresa, do. So thank you. And more strength to your elbow. You are what the medical profession should be.

277798 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to TJS123, 6, #149 of 2297 🔗

A GP friend told me a few years ago that the end of the consultation is often the most important part. A patient say comes about some minor ailment then when about to leave says something like, “I’m coughing up blood.” Doctors need to see patients face to face to enable the patient to pluck up the courage to say what is really worrying them if they have a major problem. How many serious illness are being missed?

278745 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to TJS123, 1, #150 of 2297 🔗

God bless you Teresa, good work indeed.

277137 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #151 of 2297 🔗

Genuinely one of the best things I’ve read all year. An outstanding piece.

277108 PompeyJunglist, 14, #152 of 2297 🔗

Reading that cost benefit analysis from the government took me back to my GCSE years. I routinely made up surveys and their results in order to pad out and lend credence to pieces of coursework I had no desire to do properly. I’d forgotten about that for over quarter of a Century.

277109 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #153 of 2297 🔗

BBC R2 06.50 ‘Christmas tunes all day long’, community radio station for me then

277207 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 3, #154 of 2297 🔗

Christmas tunes – systematic destruction of the population’s psyche, in other words.

277110 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #155 of 2297 🔗

I’m very concerned about this Twitter thread. It’s a scientist talking about other scientists who he says are conspiracy theorists. Look at the comments too. Very concerning
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrNeilStone/status/1333516215252185088

277115 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #156 of 2297 🔗

The comments show up the ignorance of people purporting to be intelligent.
What Yeadon,Gupta,Heneghan and others are advocating was accepted epidemic management right up to March of this year.It was official government policy until the decision to lock down.
It also shows naïveté in accepting what governments say at face value and forgetting that powerful men have always plotted in secret to further their own interests.

277117 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #157 of 2297 🔗

Don’t be concerned, CM. We know plenty of people have these views and that plenty of medics are true believers. It’s only Twatter.

277118 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Country Mumkin, 14, #158 of 2297 🔗

The tem ‘conspiravy theorist’ has changed its meaning.

It now means somebody who deviates from orthodox opinion in any way whatsoever.

277130 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 12, #159 of 2297 🔗

Indeed, and in this case “orthodox” has only become “orthodox” this year, when the Chinese decided, for reasons we may never know, to react as they did in Wuhan. In historical terms, the measures taken to “combat” the virus are UNorthodox and in almost every respect go against the standard (and this includes the WHO) playbook on how to deal with pandemics – almost every measure currently used is EXPLICITLY not recommended. What has been done this year is unpredecented, experimental and not evidence based. Never let anyone forget that.

277402 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to calchas, 6, #160 of 2297 🔗

Yes, absolutely. The term ‘conspiracy theorist’ is simply a form of abuse used to discredit opponents, and in particular protect the powerful from criticism.

Apparently, it was thought up by the CIA for this very purpose. But never has it been so widely deployed as this year. Saturation use in media all over the world.

278597 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to calchas, 2, #161 of 2297 🔗

Canadian PM Trudeau just called tramps like us Conspiracy Theorists. And he wasn’t smiling when he said it. He’s serious. He should resign. Or be removed by any means necessary.

277127 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Country Mumkin, 14, #162 of 2297 🔗

When you can’t win the arguments, you start smearing your opponents with labels like ‘conspiracy theorist’.

It’s an old totalitarian / deep state tactic.If nothing else, it shows that people like Yeadon and Gupta are right.

Otherwise they would not be attacked.

277360 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to PaulH, 4, #163 of 2297 🔗

Thanks everyone. I feel a bit better about it all.

278973 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PaulH, 1, #164 of 2297 🔗

If an opponent uses the term ‘CS’ then respond by thanking them for acknowledging that they have lost the argument.

277163 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #165 of 2297 🔗

Not much here I suggest. He seems to be a young upstart who began medical practice in December 2019. Comments are remarkably free from data.

277169 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Country Mumkin, 13, #166 of 2297 🔗

Pretty revolting how smug and intellectually superior the comments are. Social media now makes it so easy to virtue signal at the expense of convincing, evidence-based science. It’s a cancer and a key reason why we are in this mess.

277362 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Poppy, 2, #167 of 2297 🔗

Yes absolutely. Extremely smug and superior. He didn’t even explain why he thought Craig and Yeadon’s arguments weren’t strong. It was very emotional language.

278990 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Country Mumkin, #168 of 2297 🔗

Suspect SS (77th). They never, and are probably incapable, of adding anything to a conversation.

277234 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #169 of 2297 🔗

It’s all fact free opinions which of course they’re entitled to …

278462 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to LS99, #170 of 2297 🔗

It’s the downside of free speech!

278456 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Country Mumkin, #171 of 2297 🔗

Reads like he’s a shill!

277112 CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #172 of 2297 🔗

THIS!! House of Commons Joint Committee on Human Rights calls for evidence!! THIS is an open call. All the material you’ve been sending to MPs… HERE is where it really makes a difference. All evidence is published (they will make it anonymous on request.) PLEASE, if you know anyone with a story of how their human rights have been abused (that includes every person in this country!!) get them to submit evidence. When you read the list of areas they are looking at, you can see how aware they are of how badly our human rights have been abused. Get writing!

(Love that they’ve coined the term “long lockdown”, perhaps in retaliation to “long covid”. There are politicians who care.)

https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/326/the-governments-response-to-covid19-human-rights-implications-of-long-lockdown/

277113 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 5, #173 of 2297 🔗

I’ve just sent a version of the James Delingpole letter to my MP. I’d already sent one but another doesn’t hurt!

277248 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Moomin, 2, #174 of 2297 🔗

I liked the punchiness of his letter – tweaked it a bit and sent it off to my MP.

277116 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 20, #175 of 2297 🔗

Nadhim Zahawi should join Johnson et al on the scaffold!

277165 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #176 of 2297 🔗

A bad egg – now on ‘the list’

278560 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #177 of 2297 🔗

Not a scotch egg?

277219 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #178 of 2297 🔗

Yep. There should be a space reserved for him in the Tower.

277274 ▶▶ steph, replying to Winston Smith, 6, #179 of 2297 🔗

A truly nasty piece of work who lets a knew job title and a little bit of authority go to his head.

277119 James, 11, #180 of 2297 🔗

Excellent piece in the AIER in response to NY Times article: “ We Have Immune Systems, New York Times Reveals

…”Just so we are clear, we are doing something to children that will affect their immune systems for the rest of their lives? That’s what these scholars say.

The article then continues and actually invokes the great taboo word of our age: exposure. It’s good. Exposure is good. It is necessary. It is needed. Not bad. Good. ” ….

277122 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #181 of 2297 🔗

“The above video is a webinar given by Dr Genevieve Briand , a lecturer in advanced economics and statistics at Johns Hopkins University. In her talk, Dr Briand claims that the “Covid19 pandemic” has resulted in marked declines in other causes of death, most particularly heart disease, the usual leading cause of death in the United States.Dr Briand reasons that deaths from other causes are being miscategorized as “Covid19”, and this is inflating the numbers and leading to misleading reporting of the “pandemic” situation.

Whether or not she is correct, there’s no denying this interpretation is possible – given the bizarrely loose definitions of “Covid death” being used around the world. It would also explain the inexplicable lack of influenza activity occurring this year. statistician WM Briggs has a good write-up on this video here .

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/30/watch-covid-19-deaths-a-look-at-us-data/

Video at the link.

277394 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to calchas, 3, #182 of 2297 🔗

I found this today related to this. Study was published in the John Hopkins newsletter, then retracted. Apologies if posted before.

New note basically saying they didn’t want it used to spread the wrong information (we would call that a term we used to categorise as “the truth”)
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

And a link to a pdf of the (now retracted) opinion piece on the study in the text. It does show other deaths way down and COVID taking their place in my opinion.

277123 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 17, #183 of 2297 🔗

People like David Icke warned that the government would coerce people into taking its vaccines months ago. Now we see the proof.

It seems now that anyone who dares to ask a question or believes in such archaic ideas as ‘informed consent’ is automatically smeared as an anti-vaxxer.

Notice that the government and its media mouthpieces have carefully avoid defining this term. That, like so many other things this year, is not accidental.

277447 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to PaulH, 5, #184 of 2297 🔗

What is the difference between a ‘conspiracy theory’ and a ‘factual report’?

Date of publication.

277125 TFS, 8, #185 of 2297 🔗

I cannot vouch for this, but it turned up on the radar.

THE PCR TEST

External peer review of the RTPCR test to detect SARS-CoV-2 reveals 10 major scientific flaws at the molecular and methodological level: consequences for false positive results.
https://archive.is/KaROK

277126 TJN, replying to TJN, 57, #186 of 2297 🔗

Dividing pubs, bars, gyms etc. into those which allow only the vaccinated and those which don’t care may not be such a bad idea. For some of us it would ensure much better quality company.

277144 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to TJN, 27, #187 of 2297 🔗

We’ll give the Collaborator’s Arms a miss and go to the Free Eagle instead!

277145 ▶▶ calchas, replying to TJN, 10, #188 of 2297 🔗

I wonder if the government would allow this, as it would make a mockery of covid ideology by showing that humans mixing together is harmless.

277455 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to calchas, 5, #189 of 2297 🔗

Exactly. Otherwise, as pointed out, it is a great idea to make sure you are meeting normals rather than new normals.

278523 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to calchas, 3, #190 of 2297 🔗

It isn’t any of the government’s business, who we drink with etc etc etc.

277150 ▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 12, #191 of 2297 🔗

Zombie-free zones, yay!

277129 CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #192 of 2297 🔗

And this exclusive interview with Dr. Roger Hodkinson, the Canadian doctor who broke the internet when he spoke out. This is the BEST interview I’ve seen throughout this whole nightmare. Might be suitable to show to some doubters who need a little push to get them to see sense. It’s really, really good!

https://vimeo.com/485062851

277131 Eliza P., replying to Eliza P., 15, #193 of 2297 🔗

Stuck in Wales – where the pubs are about to be dry. So I’m wondering whether the exact wording of this does preclude all drinking there. I think it’s written that drinks are not to “be served”. Okay – we’ll serve ourselves/by bringing our own with us and could maybe pay a voluntary donation to the landlord/lady as corkage.

277173 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Eliza P., 3, #194 of 2297 🔗

Great thinking.

277132 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 63, #195 of 2297 🔗

On BBC Breakfast this morning Michael Gove said that the purpose of the vaccine is to liberate people from their fears of the disease. He did not say that the purpose of the vaccine was to provide vaccinated individuals with immunity. A Freudian might well see this as proof that the vaccine is just another aspect of the government’s psychological operations against the people.

277139 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 38, #196 of 2297 🔗

I see, so if you are already free from fear, then you don’t need the vaccine?

277142 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #197 of 2297 🔗

Very telling comment.

277143 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Steve Hayes, 30, #198 of 2297 🔗

Yeah, ‘liberating’ people from the very fear that his regime created.

Gove is one of the worst UK bad actors.

He belongs behind bars – not in government.

277732 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to PaulH, 6, #199 of 2297 🔗

I couldn’t agree more.

278532 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PaulH, 5, #200 of 2297 🔗

Gove is pure evil, but there are more than a few others on the government gravy train, who should also be in jail. Not least the Bozo, who is actually supposed to be in charge.

278606 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PaulH, 3, #201 of 2297 🔗

Penthouse in The Tower of London.

277146 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #202 of 2297 🔗

As if we need to be afraid of it.

277148 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #203 of 2297 🔗

Isn’t this the same reason Handjob gave about mask wearing-that it was to make people feel more confident about going shopping?
Johannesburg is known as the murder capital of the world but you wouldn’t want to visit there if you had to wear a bullet proof vest in order to do so, would you?

277161 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #204 of 2297 🔗

From where did this fear of the disease originate. Why didn’t we need to be liberated from our fear of the common cold last year.

Government – create the problem for the solution you wanted.

278633 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #205 of 2297 🔗

Problem, reaction, solution; of course.

277178 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #206 of 2297 🔗

i hope this means that the Government are going to use the vaccine rollout (none of the potential candidates claim to reduce transmission) to get themselves out of this hole. They can claim the diminishing cases are due to the vaccine.

277183 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #207 of 2297 🔗

I do feel that part of this is to test out what they can get away with, soon they will start trying to force us all to give up gas and oil boilers and go for a new green solution, the talk about electric cars masks the fact these will never be available for all and if they abolish petrol/diesel cars the age of personal car travel for all is finished. These seem to be coming and will be unpalatable and unpopular and they need to gauge how well they can get away with such stuff.

277264 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #208 of 2297 🔗

Remarkable similarity to the Nazis, in their approach of pushing against established values and normalising the most extreme measures. Similar kinds of people, too. Totally unprincipled and badly out of their depth, attempting to dig their way out of a pit. In fact, the German regime in late 1943 began literally digging holes for no apparent reason – basically as a displacement activity. The bad news is that even having reached that level they clung to power, and could have clung on indefinitely without external pressure from Stalin.

Our own regime was played out before the end of March. But it can carry on indefinitely like a zombie. Hence the Johnson smirk. A man who knows he has totally screwed up, and realised that it makes no political difference. They can do whatever they want, and Parliament will rubber stamp it. The media will report favourably. Reality counts for nothing. No wonder Johnson is taking the piss now.

279393 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ovis, #209 of 2297 🔗

Lots of psychopaths in the Nazi party. Starting from the top.

277575 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #210 of 2297 🔗

Interesting point made during the GP at the weekend, during the Romain Grosjean horror crash – that cars that are electric (or largely electric) seem to be a lot more volatile in the event of impact or damage to certain areas, like around the battery for example. ergo, seemingly a much higher chance of things going up in flames in the event of an accident or something going wrong.

279394 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #211 of 2297 🔗

I have been following Formula 1 since the early 60s. My brothers and I shared the victory Champagne with John Surtees and Graham Hill at the CanAm Race in Riverside, California in 1966 and I attended the first Montreal Canadian Grand Prix in 1978 when Gilles Villeneuve won, driving a Ferrari.
I detest the hybrid cars of the past six seasons. Lewis Hamilton virtue signalling, taking the knee and acting dictatorial with his fellow drivers was the last straw for me. Motor racing should have nothing to do with Political Correctness, Wokeness, the W.H.O. or all that other bullshit that Cultural Marxism has been insidiously imposing on us.

278515 ▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #212 of 2297 🔗

I was at one point thinking the government are doing all this deliberately to rile us all and get us on edge so that we were ready for a war or something.

279139 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #213 of 2297 🔗

They have been testing the boundaries since day one and in too many instances they haven’t found any.

277367 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #214 of 2297 🔗

If they wanted to “liberate people from their fears” they should not have so belligerently sown the fears in the first place. But then you can’t sell a product till you create a market for it!

277438 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #215 of 2297 🔗

The Government could easily liberate people from their fears (fears SAGE have deliberately stoked) by ending lockdown. Reducing restrictions gradually. Getting back to normal. It’s as easy as opening a door.

But they know it’s a scam which is why the likes of Neil Ferguson and numerous politicians are caught breaking the rules

277625 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #216 of 2297 🔗

It’s very careful use of language; from the assessment docushite:

Adverse impacts on mental health would also rise as prevalence of COVID-19 increases. It would be expected that higher rates of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) would be seen amongst health and social care staff, patients who contract COVID-19 (including those hospitalised and in intensive care), and the relatives of those who die. People in the high-risk category may also experience higher levels of worry, PTSD and anxiety due to increased fear of transmission.

Trying to spread the lie that the whole country is scared to be a ‘granny killer’.

It’s bullshit; but it’s very carefully worded bullshit, and it’s in a Government document and Gove is a high Government minister, so it must be true.

This is how the sheep think. 🙁

278594 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 4, #217 of 2297 🔗

Good grief. It’s as if none of us has ever encountered illness or death before now.

279281 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #218 of 2297 🔗

Why should we believe a single word that comes out of these tossers’ masked mouths anymore? We’ve been constantly lied to since the very beginning of lockdown.

277133 Eliza P., replying to Eliza P., 9, #219 of 2297 🔗

Second thought for the day being that if unvaccinated people are barred from going into venues – then I’d like to see two ordinary members of staff, for instance, try and keep out half a dozen burly men intent on enforcing their right to go into a venue. I think that sort of incident might soon teach venues a lesson about trying to bar us non-vaccinated people if repeated often enough until the message got through to the venues.

277134 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Eliza P., 6, #220 of 2297 🔗

Obviously too – we’d name and shame venues that discriminate against us – Facebook groups, frequently updated lists of them put up in public places, etc.

277158 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Eliza P., 3, #221 of 2297 🔗

And picket them

277140 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Eliza P., 33, #222 of 2297 🔗

Well, we the unvaccinated, if we are not allowed into venues, will just have to build our own parallel social structures, where we will interract with each other like human beings.

Reconstructing human society from the ground up.

277149 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 9, #223 of 2297 🔗

It may come to that.
It’s been done before.
It’s worked before.

278596 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #224 of 2297 🔗

It also caused the restrictions to be abandoned!

277174 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to calchas, 14, #225 of 2297 🔗

I’ve been pondering for quite a while on the possibility of parallel social structures sprouting up among those unwilling to be vaccinated or subjected to other authoritarian coercion. I foresee a quiet but powerful grassroots movement where, by word of mouth, there will be producers of food and other services that bypass mainstream society. Softly, softly, it will grow as more and more of us “proles” remove ourselves from under the raised boot and reclaim our freedoms.

277235 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Melangell, 2, #226 of 2297 🔗

Barter system?

277468 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Melangell, 8, #227 of 2297 🔗

Interesting. This was essentially what happened in Czechoslovakia in 70s/80s. And yes, as someone who has studied the period (translated books on it), I do think the comparison is in place. The situation is that bad.

277276 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to calchas, 4, #228 of 2297 🔗

That could work. I always felt I lived a parallel world to the zombies!

277399 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to calchas, 3, #229 of 2297 🔗

this has been my thinking for while – a new counter culture.

277742 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to calchas, #230 of 2297 🔗

Now that’s an idea I could get behind!

277153 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Eliza P., 12, #231 of 2297 🔗

Do we have a ‘right’ to enter someones private business against their will?

Perhaps if a business does not want your custom take it to a business that does. If that business does not exist then create it.

277160 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Eliza P., 7, #232 of 2297 🔗

Am I the only one that is very relaxed about this prospect? I quite like the idea of going to a place that respects liberal values and places going under because they went a bit too Nazi

277266 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #233 of 2297 🔗

If that looks like the way it’s going, government will rig the game.

279280 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ovis, #234 of 2297 🔗

‘Alternative’ venues that don’t require masks, vaccinations etc will certainly not be allowed to operate legally and publicly. It will be an underground movement.

277136 calchas, replying to calchas, 20, #235 of 2297 🔗

Annie mentioned below that the door to freedom is wide open and that it is only cowardice that stops people gong through that door.

Well, going through that door together with others of like mind is much easier.

They key to this is to form local groups of sceptics who can help each other walk through that door,

What they are most afraid of is people acting together. That is why they strive constantly to keep us divided and apart – literally apart.

277156 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to calchas, 5, #236 of 2297 🔗

Generally feel free. It is the door to the pub that is causing me issues.

279166 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to calchas, #237 of 2297 🔗

These might help.
Freedom hubs: freeusnow@protomail.com
Truthpaper: http://www.lightpaper.co.uk

277138 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #238 of 2297 🔗

Ivor Cummin’s latest video in today’s links is excellent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m121hAiREvc&feature=youtu.be

Joel Smalley’s data analysis is very high quality indeed.

I’ve always been a fan of analysing by date of occurrence of death rather than date of registration, and Joel has used that throughout including in ways I hadn’t thought possible.

He shows very clearly with data analysis how the lockdown measures had no effect on the epidemic curve.

His logarithmic graph at the end of growth of fatal ‘infections’ vs time with dates of intervention added in is simply stunning.

And I like the way he splits out major cities/towns in regions to show even within regions those places hit hardest in April were least hit in the Autumn, providing further evidence of community immunity in action.

I still have difficulty convincing people that in March the infection curve never grew exponentially, in fact the turning of the curve occurred at a very low number of deaths and preceeded any measures or even voluntary changes in behaviour. And so must be community immunity together with seasonality causing that to happen. Joel’s explanation of that is the best I have seen.

A must watch!

277152 ▶▶ PFD, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #239 of 2297 🔗

Indeed, the Ivor Cummins video is excellent and I think that Joel Smalleys last plot showing the Gompertz distribution of infections and highlighting key interventions and milestones is the single most important graph presented to show that lockdowns have absolutely no effect and that the virus is following a natural trajectory.
Unfortunately this is nothing new. Back in April and May I was tweeting my own analyses, @pfdgeologist, which showed exactly what Joel is showing now.
That means we knew from the very early days of the first lockdown that non-pharmaceutical interventions do not work.
What beggars belief is we have a scientific advisory group who are blind to this. In fact the data is so clear even an MP could understand it.

277168 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PFD, 12, #240 of 2297 🔗

I think they knew precisely what they were doing and with the aid of MSM they deliberately lied to keep the fear factor going, it’s about controlling our lifestyles and destroying our pubs nothing to do with the virus. They really detest us.

277316 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to PFD, 3, #241 of 2297 🔗

Indeed. This was my own chart that I’ve been updating for months.

It shows clearly the growth was never exponential and the fall off the peak was completely natural and independent of interventions.

278603 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Freecumbria, #242 of 2297 🔗

That’s really good!

277147 Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 14, #243 of 2297 🔗

During the spring/early summer those residents deemed covid positive were not allowed to recover.It was end of life pathway straight away that’s another blatant scandal that requires further investigation.GPs complicit the Harold Shipman flow chart of treatment.

277164 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 6, #244 of 2297 🔗

That is what I fear has been happening under the cover of an epidemic, a culling.

277245 ▶▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #245 of 2297 🔗

I think the rationale was kill the person kill the virus.I saw no heroic attempts to provide basic care or treatment just palliative care.I knew 2 people killed by invasive medical treatment under the age of 40 with those murderous ventilators currently collecting dust.

277381 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 2, #246 of 2297 🔗

The Shipman legislation was removed by the Coronavirus Act and they added universal DNRs.

277678 ▶▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to PastImperfect, #247 of 2297 🔗

No doubt I will be accountable for my participation in this cluster fuck.

277151 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 4, #248 of 2297 🔗

Got a question about the vaccines. It protects the person taking it. Does it reduce their ability to pass it on? i.e. does it offer any protection for anyone other than the person taking it?

277155 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to muzzle, 3, #249 of 2297 🔗

No evidence for that yet.

277191 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #250 of 2297 🔗

OK. So the problem I’ve noticed is there are a number of huge assumptions I see friends making.
1) the vaccine stops you getting it
2) the vaccine speeds up the recovery
3) the vaccine stops you passing it on. i.e. I’m not just taking the vaccine for myself, I should be doing it to save granny.
I don’t have any counter arguments. These assumptions are allowed to prevail unchallenged.

277229 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to muzzle, 5, #251 of 2297 🔗

1) the vaccine stops you getting it – none of the tests for any of the vaccines have looked at this.
2) the vaccine speeds up the recovery – yes. But, the only people they have proved this consistently works on are under-55’s. Who don’t get that ill in the first place. And, they’ve acknowledged that lots of people will get side effects, which in many cases are likely to be worse for an under-55 than actually catching covid would be.
3) the vaccine stops you passing it on. i.e. I’m not just taking the vaccine for myself, I should be doing it to save granny. – they’ve not tested for this pro proved it in any way.

277460 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kenadams, 1, #252 of 2297 🔗

Don’t forget the vaccine was tested against another group given another vaccine, which itself has side effects

277655 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to muzzle, 4, #253 of 2297 🔗

3) the vaccine stops you passing it on. i.e. I’m not just taking the vaccine for myself, I should be doing it to save granny .

In that case, tell your friends they can skip the vaccine and just stick to wearing a mask for the rest of their lives; Matt Handjob says masks do exactly this.

277159 ▶▶ calchas, replying to muzzle, 10, #254 of 2297 🔗

My counter-questions:

How do we know that these are really vaccines against something we call covid-19?

Even if they are, then how do we know that they offer any protection at all?

The people who are telling us all this, have been mendacious all along.

Why should they start being honest now?

277162 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to muzzle, 5, #255 of 2297 🔗

It won’t stop the virus from evolving and for some reason they haven’t tested if it stops you from spreading the virus.

277215 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to muzzle, 1, #256 of 2297 🔗

Would it not be a similar scenario to asymptomatic spread which has been debunked?

277239 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to muzzle, 2, #257 of 2297 🔗

The vaccine cures the virus, stops you getting it again and protects everyone around you. Twice. It also means that lockdown and masks can be done away with.

Source: ReversoWorld Daily Gazette.

277259 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #258 of 2297 🔗

RWDG is referring to a REAL vaccine.

277436 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to muzzle, 4, #259 of 2297 🔗

There is no evidence for that, nor could there be such evidence because the clinical trials aren’t even looking for it :

Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said, “Ideally, you want an antiviral vaccine to do two things . . . first, reduce the likelihood you will get severely ill and go to the hospital, and two, prevent infection and therefore interrupt disease transmission.”

Yet the current phase III trials are not actually set up to prove either ( table 1 ). None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths. Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus.

277167 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 21, #260 of 2297 🔗

Seeing the word blackmail in the Woke section reminded me of just how illiterate and ignorant the morally superior can be. It reminded me of feminists objecting to the use of words such as manhole cover on the ground that they wanted a gender neutral term because they did not know that the man in manhole refers to hand as in manual. Similarly, the term blackmail has nothing to do with the colour of a person’s skin or Britain’s colonial and imperial history or slavery or racism. It was the term used to refer to the demands by Scottish raiding parties for the release or return of livestock or goods. By extension it has come to mean any extortionate demand. Unfortunately, this preference for emotion over knowledge is apparently deeply entrenched, as the public discourse around the coronavirus reveals all too clearly. It also reveals all too clearly the incredibly high cost of the preference.

277472 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #261 of 2297 🔗

But ignorance is so blissful. As Douglas Murray says you are taking opinions from the stupidest person in the room. He says it’s time for the grown ups to stand up and tell them to shut up, sit down and do some research.

277617 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #262 of 2297 🔗

Back in the eighties when university students came up with such nonsense, their lecturers used to educated them, now the university staff apparently just nod, agree and write a policy statement institutionalising such ignorance.

277171 Antonedes, replying to Antonedes, 9, #263 of 2297 🔗

Had an impact assessment of closing ‘non essential’ retail outlets been undertaken it could have saved Arcadia and Debenhams and the thousands of jobs.

277284 ▶▶ steph, replying to Antonedes, 8, #264 of 2297 🔗

Well to be fair, Arcadia and Debenhams have been hanging by a thread for years. There are plenty of small independent businesses that were viable before the government killed them this year. I’m sorry for the staff of those 2 large organisations, however.

277172 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #265 of 2297 🔗

Gove on BBC R4 now claiming ‘cases’ were doubling every 14 days before the lockdown.
Here’s the government data going back 2 weeks prior to lockdown, did it double?

277192 ▶▶ PFD, replying to NickR, 13, #266 of 2297 🔗

Gove is mendacious and a liar. He knows fully well it wasn’t doubling but is trying to bear down on a gullible parliament and electorate.

278614 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PFD, #267 of 2297 🔗

From 2 to 4, 4 to 8, 8 to 16?

277398 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, 4, #268 of 2297 🔗

He also said the modelling has proven to be “quite accurate”

Total lies.

277476 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #269 of 2297 🔗

The amazing thing is everything he said is not only wrong, but can be proved to be wrong with available data. Why are papers publishing this shit without challenging what he is saying?

277672 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 2, #270 of 2297 🔗

did it double?

Of course not. Gove is using the old MSM trick:

Cases/deaths doubling every 7 days… then when they stop doing that,
Cases/deaths doubling every 14 days… then when they stop doing that,
Cases/deaths doubling every 28 days… then when they stop doing that,

Rinse and repeat. This is an old trick that all statisticians and propagandists know about.

They have been doing this all year. Van Tam, Whitty and Vallance have all done the same thing at the No. 10 BS conferences.

277176 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #271 of 2297 🔗

Whether abstaining or voting with Boris, Starmer achieves the same result: the tiers are imposed. Starmer has 3 options: vote against, abstain, vote for. Only the first option (voting against) stops the imposition of the tiers. Recognising that the mutiny on the tory backbenchers isn’t great enough to stop the tiers being imposed he chooses to abstain.

Max Headroom is a Rockerfeller (trilateral commission) WEF man. He also knocks people off bicycles.

277181 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to chaos, 10, #272 of 2297 🔗

Yeah, he’s awful. Using terms like ‘in the national interest’ makes my blood boil! It’s in the national interest to end lockdowns you complete imbecile! How can supposedly intelligent lawyers be so dim?! We’re at a turning point in our nation, because of insane lockdown policy I can’t ever vote conservative and I can’t ever vote labour, we need a new party and a new system!

277374 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Moomin, 1, #273 of 2297 🔗

The Trilateral Commission elected him.

277177 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 8, #274 of 2297 🔗

Extraordinary car crash of an interview that Col Bob Stewart (Con, Beckenham, T2, voting with the government) has just done on Talk Radio just now. Am sure it will be available on her Twitter shortly.

277180 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Now More Than Ever, 10, #275 of 2297 🔗

“Colonel” “Bob” Stewart, eh? Don’t get me started!
There’s a special place in hell reserved for that warmongering shitball.

278621 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Matt The Cat, 1, #276 of 2297 🔗

Thickball this morning!

277182 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Now More Than Ever, 9, #277 of 2297 🔗

This is what we voted in. Absolute idiocy. And the use of this “horrid” virus. Go ask someone who “just gets pneumonia” about how bad that is.

Or those people who died of the Aussie Flu two years ago. Was that not ‘horrid” Bob?

277187 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #278 of 2297 🔗

JHB doing her best again. Listen live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPS5M9gG1SU

Labour MP Lucy Powell interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh2nOQIIcvg

277188 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Now More Than Ever, 23, #279 of 2297 🔗

I am continually amazed that such thick people represent us. Here I am desperately trying to think of ways to make money.. I have a good engineering degree.. I saw through this madness back in March. You cannot lockdown for a virus. I knew this. Yet our leaders, some old enough to know better.. where is their wisdom? They are divorced from reality.

277212 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to chaos, 12, #280 of 2297 🔗

When I used to hear people refer to ‘distinguished’ politicians as stupid, I used to disagree, believing that a reasonable level of intelligence was required to make it to such important positions.

I was wrong and naive. Covid has changed my perspective on so many things.

277225 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 12, #281 of 2297 🔗

Mine too.
I have revised my criteria for being human. They now exclude most of the people of aBritain.
New subspecies: Zombeius stultissimus subspecies britannicus .

277303 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 3, #282 of 2297 🔗

We can also use that for people abroad as well as zombies who have accepted this unquestioningly are found in other countries.

I think Tanzania must be the only sane place left.

277483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to annie, 5, #283 of 2297 🔗

And that famous Roman senator, Thickus shiticus. It’s what Mel Brooks says in history of the world. “This is the best Senate money can buy”

277343 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to chaos, 6, #284 of 2297 🔗

They’re showing the old Fred Dibnah programmes nightly on BBC4. Dread to think what he would make of all this. Proper practical engineering knowledge is timeless. Why does the government not have a “chief engineer”?

277567 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to chaos, 5, #285 of 2297 🔗

I haven’t got a degree but I read a lot and can tell a liar and a scam when I see one.

277216 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #286 of 2297 🔗
277258 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Wolver, 9, #287 of 2297 🔗

What an absolute thick as mince arshole this man is. The government has lied every step of the way to us and this prick cannot see it. He tied himself in knots, an absolute car crash, good for us though, just shows how thick these people are. Unfortunately they make decisions based on lies, snake oil, smoke and mirrors that ruin our lives. Hang your head in shame Col Bob!

277507 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Wolver, 5, #288 of 2297 🔗

Staggering ignorance and incompetence.

278629 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, #289 of 2297 🔗

Misplaced loyalty.

277221 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Now More Than Ever, 9, #290 of 2297 🔗

He said that Boris had “no choice” -JHB picked him up on that one .

277572 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Wolver, 4, #292 of 2297 🔗

I can’t bring myself to watch the prick.

277184 AN other lockdown sceptic, 18, #293 of 2297 🔗

Good morning. Angela Richardson’s email is a cracker. Here’s mine from the other day. Not as well crafted as Angela’s but the sentiment is similar. And I mean it!

Dear [MP]

If you vote to destroy the jobs of others, don’t expect to keep your seat.

If you vote for Lockdown 3.0, I will work tirelessly to ensure that any other candidate replaces you at the next election.

Regards

277186 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 24, #294 of 2297 🔗

“Immunity passport, Guv’nor? You come to the best place. Right here we got the sharpest ‘ackers in the country, dare I say the world, know wot I mean? With our de-luxe model you can go anywhere, any place, anytime. Wot could be fairer than that? Readies or Bitcoin equally acceptable”.

277490 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Stuart, #295 of 2297 🔗

Nooo he must have a Russian accent, or even better Chinese!

278634 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, #296 of 2297 🔗

Surely the Chinese would want you to have the real thing?

277189 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 20, #297 of 2297 🔗

Propaganda received from Uttlesford District Council in the form of a glossy mag:

Embracing the New Normal

Your essential reference guide to staying safe and well during the COVID-19 pandemic.

FRO UDC, you can shove your new bloody normal.

277196 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 14, #298 of 2297 🔗

FYI, UDC, my normal is doing what I have just done: been to the market, bought fresh fruit and veg and thoroughly enjoyed being darling’d and sweetheart’d to within an inch of my life by the stall-holder.

277220 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #299 of 2297 🔗

I remember that stallholder.
He us pure gold. So glad he’s still going strong.

277231 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 6, #300 of 2297 🔗

He is. Can you believe a few months ago some misery tried to get him banned from doing his market-spiel.

277198 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to kh1485, 2, #301 of 2297 🔗

Uttlesford ! ? Never heard of the spot. I’m sure its lovely.

277269 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #302 of 2297 🔗

It is. It’s just a pity about the local council.

277371 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, 1, #303 of 2297 🔗

Common Purpose?

277582 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 2, #304 of 2297 🔗

All local councils seem to be the same. Run by stupid people.

277309 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 15, #305 of 2297 🔗

Whenever I hear the phrase ‘stay safe’ part of me dies. It means ‘get back in your cage and stop living’.

277494 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ben, 12, #306 of 2297 🔗

Yes we can’t be the only family shouting “fuck off” everytime someone says this in TV?

277588 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #307 of 2297 🔗

I can assure you’re not 😅 😅

278028 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #308 of 2297 🔗

I don’t have a television (mercifully) but a friend of mine is constantly shouting fu** off! at the television

278866 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 1, #309 of 2297 🔗

I always have to resist the urge to turn violent on someone who tells me to “stay safe.” When my dad signed off his message with “stay safe”, I replied with a curt “stay sane”

277314 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #310 of 2297 🔗

How much of taxpayers’ money did they spend on a “glossy mag”?

They can stick their new normal where the sun don’t shine.

277368 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #311 of 2297 🔗

Indeed. Funnily enough, I was thinking of writing in thick marker pen your second point and returning it to them.

278554 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, #312 of 2297 🔗

Would happily do that!

277700 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #313 of 2297 🔗

My local London council asked their readers, of the council’s glossy mag, for ideas on how the council could save money.

Number one suggestion was to stop wasting money on the glossy mag . I thought that was hilarious.

278546 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ceriain, 3, #314 of 2297 🔗

Makes you wonder how thick they really are. Thank God my local council doesn’t waste money by printing glossy magazines but their “Covid 19 hasn’t gone away” banners do irritate the hell out of me.

277448 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to kh1485, 10, #315 of 2297 🔗

WOW. Not “living with” or “coping with” … but … “ embracing the new normal”. It really is like Nineteen Eighty-Four : it’s not enough to comply, you really have to love Big Brother.

277595 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mattghg, 1, #316 of 2297 🔗

Big Brother can go die in a ditch as well!

277622 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #317 of 2297 🔗

DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER

277193 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 41, #318 of 2297 🔗

I have just heard slime-miester Gove say to Sobel on BBCR4 the nation is currently dealing with a deadly pandemic the likes of which has not been not seen since the Spanish Flu pandemic.
Total Bollocks from the lying little shit.

277197 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Two-Six, 11, #319 of 2297 🔗

How did he get away with that?!

277202 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 16, #320 of 2297 🔗

al bbc innit

277451 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #321 of 2297 🔗

The BBC has been an utter, utter disgrace throughout this nightmare. Don’t even get me started on their “Reality Check” online…

277201 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Two-Six, 26, #322 of 2297 🔗

We ARE in the grip of the most deadly pandemic we have EVER seen. It is a LOCKDOWN PANDEMIC! It affects every single human being in this country, removing their fundamental rights, subjecting them to torturous psychological and physical abuse (mask wearing and blaming innocent people, including children, for the deaths of others), and committing them to physical isolation the likes of which has been banned as a form of torture by the United Nations. We need emergency action to stop this pandemic NOW!

277214 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 7, #323 of 2297 🔗

I listened to his lies and avoiding not very penetrating questions.

Has he launched a coup, taking over Hancock’s Quarter Hour?

277218 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Two-Six, 15, #324 of 2297 🔗

As a result of the Spanish flu overall population levels were reduced by between 1% to 5% depending on which reports you read, the Black Death reportedly killed around 50% of the population.
Although we will not know for sure until the end of the year the way the figures are trending with births and deaths it looks as the the population of the UK will increase by about 20,000 to 30,000 in 2020.
Funny old ‘pandemic’ that sees a population increase!

277250 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #325 of 2297 🔗

Speaking of the Spanish flu:

funny goings on at Wikipedia:

“We all know Wikipedia is a micro-managed propaganda organ , so the fact its page on the Spanish Flu began a huge uptick of edits in December 2019, rising steadily until February 2020, and that the bulk of these edits seem concerned with – subtly and overtly – downgrading the severity of the 1918 pandemic has to be of interest.

Why the sudden decision to vastly downgrade the estimated CFR for the 1918 pandemic and source to a rather obscure WHO article that doesn’t even focus on that issue? And, more importantly, why does this extreme downgrade still exist on the page even when editors are pointing out the impossibility of the figures ?

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

277649 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to calchas, 3, #326 of 2297 🔗

Interesting, And creepy. Unfortunately, one of all too many ‘coincidences’ in the run-up to the ‘pandemic’.

277244 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 3, #327 of 2297 🔗

A casedemic!

279285 ▶▶ alison, replying to Two-Six, #328 of 2297 🔗

Well, the Asian and Hong Kong flu pandemics never did get their PR and media operation sorted out. To hit the big time as a deadly pandemic, you really need a 24 hour rolling news coverage machine, and then that little bit of death porn starburst from the likes of Ferguson and Fauci.

277195 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 36, #329 of 2297 🔗

People trying to discredit Yeadon, Gupta et al. are ridiculous. You don’t need to. It is all immaterial once you show the following:

a) a “case” of viral infection is NOT a “case” if there are no symptoms and no medical doctor has diagnosed it. It is just a positive test result.

2) Human beings with the presence of a virus in them but no symptoms are NOT infectious.

Those two things proved and the whole thing falls apart.

This whole mess rests on:

1) Accepting a “case” is defined ONLY by a positive test result (why? Just because the definition has been rewritten?!?!), and

2) people who have a positive test for a virus but no symptoms can still spread it. FALSE. NO EVIDENCE.

That’s IT! It doesn’t actually matter if the entire world “tests positive” for the SARS-Cov-2 virus.

NO SYMPTOMS = NO CASE
NO CASE = NO TRANSMISSION

VACCINE NOT REQUIRED!

END OF F’ING STORY!

277365 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #330 of 2297 🔗

Unfortunately, our predicament has nothing to do with the “virus”.

It is predicated on having the nation’s wealth transferred to a fascist cabal.

We need at least 30% of the population to wake up to this fact.

277656 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #331 of 2297 🔗

Of course, you are right. So, it is no longer possible to believe that there is not something else going on here. Extraordinary as this may be. (12 months ago, I would never have believed anything so crazy could happen, and worldwide too.)

277199 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #332 of 2297 🔗

Just been listening to Mr. Gove on Radio 4. Not that impressive I thought. He suggested that Sweden is now following Britain and other lockdown countries. How far is this true? Gove is a slippery fellow.

277240 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #333 of 2297 🔗

If Sweden were following Britain, then they would be throwing thousands of people out of hospitals – many of them into care homes – surely?

277242 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #334 of 2297 🔗

I see my question has already been answered above by Mr. Steerpike.

277304 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #335 of 2297 🔗

Sweden has succumbed to the diktats of the Covid Cabal unfortunately. As has every other country.

277328 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #336 of 2297 🔗

He sneakily lumped in Sweden with France Spain Belgium etc and said they have locked down too. Lying Lair. He was deliberately trying to say Sweden acted in the same way as the rest of Europe

277423 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 3, #337 of 2297 🔗

He said something like
‘Sweden has had to what other countries have done, sadly’
The ‘sadly’ was said in a snarky tone.

278687 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #338 of 2297 🔗

He can’t help the tone. He’s a snarky snake.

277200 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 17, #339 of 2297 🔗

Lewis Hamilton makes an amazing recovery from short (no) covid then starts to push the vaccines on the sheeple. What are the odds?

277209 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Eddy, 10, #340 of 2297 🔗

Doubtless featuring alongside that nice Mr Rashford chap, I shouldn’t wonder.
Steven Fry thrown into the mix too, I’d expect. God help us.

277211 ▶▶ anon, replying to Eddy, 9, #341 of 2297 🔗

he should shut the fuck up and put his muzzle on

277213 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to anon, 6, #342 of 2297 🔗

Not muzzle. Gag.

277252 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Eddy, 2, #343 of 2297 🔗

well if he really wants that knighthood….

277268 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Eddy, 21, #344 of 2297 🔗

Hamilton and AJ, F1 champ and Heavy weight champ have managed to be the most tedious boring arseholes. How can these men become these champions and yet they are universally hated? Oh yeah they want to be “role models”. Fuck off Lewis, you take the vaccine all you like but why is the F1 champion giving health advice? Give me James Hunt any day of the week, he was a hero, a ladies man, a smoker. Hamilton is a virtue signalling tosser

277508 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Biker, 8, #345 of 2297 🔗

Yes the XR champion driving a car for a living and getting private jets everywhere. And how do the cars get the the different tracks? How do all the support staff get to the track? What was it Ricky G said to celebs? Don’t give opinions, you are not well educated and spent less time in school that Greta Thumburg.

277650 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #346 of 2297 🔗

and dont forget how a few years ago he used very creative accounting to avoid a couple of £million VAT on his new £17m jet .

and it always made me wonder – his full on Black Lives matter approach. so his mother doesnt matter then (she is white) ?

279353 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, #347 of 2297 🔗

And enthusiastically supported by white people throughout his career. Threw all of them under the bus. What gratitude.

279350 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #348 of 2297 🔗

Jim Clark. Graham Hill, John Surtees, Jackie Stewart … Gentlemen as well as damn good racing drivers. No virtue signalling.

277299 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Eddy, 14, #349 of 2297 🔗

This prick challenged a 100 year old watch brand called Hamilton. He thinks he owns the intellectual property to his own name. what a narcissistic fuckwit.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/11/20/court-rejects-hamiltons-bid-to-stop-watch-maker-using-his-surname/

278884 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHuntz, 1, #350 of 2297 🔗

He was hammered badly on Twitter for that. Does that mean that he will next sue the following:

  1. the writer of the Hamilton musical Lin Manuel Miranda
  2. Hamilton Academical Football Club (founded 1874)
  3. Alexander Douglas-Hamilton, 16th Duke of Hamilton (peerage created in 1643)

Among others?

What a nincompoop.

278950 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, #351 of 2297 🔗

I prefer narcissistic fuckwit but nincompoop will do.

277335 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eddy, 12, #352 of 2297 🔗

Lewis Hamilton was an early adopter of The Mask wasn’t he? Wasn’t he at the fore-front of pushing The Mask to all the sports fans out there, encouraging an army of twonks to wear sporty face nappies as they drive down to Maccy D’s?
Funny how he has caught the Rona despite constantly wearing what might be probably the best carbon fiber face nappy in the world?

277349 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Two-Six, 4, #353 of 2297 🔗

he should have worn a Carlsberg mask

279354 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #354 of 2297 🔗

Maybe it was the carbon fiber that made him sick?

277515 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Eddy, 2, #355 of 2297 🔗

But somebody who spends almost their entire working life in a fireproof suit, helmet and gloves is a very good role model for us all don’t you see.

277929 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Eddy, 2, #356 of 2297 🔗

In fact, I wonder if Rashford or/and Hamilton are already members of the Lib Dems/Labour Party because as far as I can see, they already have their beady eyes set on a later-life “career” in politics, with a ready-made adoring “electorate” of vacuous, RedTop-reading, sport-gargling zombies.

277205 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 57, #357 of 2297 🔗

I posted this last night but its so good that I thought it worth putting up again.

Laura Perrins for PM!
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277238 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 24, #358 of 2297 🔗

‘I don’t need to carry ID thank you Officer, I already know who I am’

277528 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 19, #359 of 2297 🔗

Do you remember the outrage when ID cards were suggested. Socialist worker protests the labour party shocked and unable to back this draconian measure to take away people’s human rights. But now an app on your phone that follows you everywhere and knows your every interaction. A vaccine passport that will tell you where you can and can’t go. Healthy people under house arrest and…… your silence is deafening.

277634 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #360 of 2297 🔗

Well, if they can get an ‘app’ on my phone I’ll give them a coconut considering it’s a twenty odd year old Nokia!

277718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #361 of 2297 🔗

When we go into restaurant and they ask have you got the app for the qr code we say no. Then we put our name down as A Johnson.

277805 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #362 of 2297 🔗

If I’m correct, a Tory politician owns the track and trace company. Lots of cash to be made

277804 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #363 of 2297 🔗

The Socialist Workers Party are traitors to the people they supposedly represent. Is there any Left organisation that’s anti-lockdown?

279355 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #364 of 2297 🔗

Laura Perrins was interviewed 3 times by James Delingpole this past November, 2020. Lively exchanges.

277208 Biker, replying to Biker, 37, #365 of 2297 🔗

I love how they’re all pretending that a vote in Parliament means jack shit. Johnstone is doing the bidding of dark forces trying to force a new world order on us. As far as the Labour party goes i really admire them, no i do, really. I mean despite the centuries of evidence that Laissez-fare capitalism is the only way to organise humans and socialism is utterly failed and oppressive these muppets are still trying to put the square block in the round hole. We’re fucked. Johnstone is taking us into the green new world, Labour would do the same. Really what we have is a Parliament where most of them don’t have a clue about economics and instead sell favours and make themselves rich. They dream of a control system where i have to prove to them a serious of actions i’ve done, how about they take a fucking hike and i can go about doing whatever the fuck i want. Its my life and i really don’t give two shits about yours. Sorry but there it is. Until we adopt the old ways we’ll just keep getting more and more socialist until i’ll be writing this with my own blood on a piece of skin i’ve flayed off my arm from a gulag in the Highlands.
We can go round the houses all fucking day long but the result is always the same, we live in a socialist monopoly system where government invents regulations that we can’t follow so only a handful of people make the money and the rest of us get just enough for food to work in their control system.
Dismantle the government, shut down Parliament and get off my fucking back.

277224 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Biker, 13, #366 of 2297 🔗

Yes – parliament is irrelevant, except perhaps as a shock absorber for public complaint.

All the parties represent overwhelmingly the same interests.

When this covid ship goes down, then every rat on that ship goes with it.

Never forgive and never forget.

277230 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 5, #367 of 2297 🔗

“I say this is no Parliament . . . in the name of God, go!” O. Cromwell.

Followed by the Barebones Parliament, oh dear, we’ve got that already.

277413 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 8, #368 of 2297 🔗

Oh Biker, sometimes I feel like you are the only voice of reason here. This site is very important to me and the only place where I actually go now days but the naivete of most of the people here is fucking staggering! It makes me scream at the computer like a animal with uncontrolled rage. The parliament, the Supreme court, the Simon Dolan lawsuit…it all means fuck all, it will not change anything. I wrote a post about this yesterday so I wont repeat myself, but keep up the good work.

277484 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #369 of 2297 🔗

We’re in this mess because people want to do good not realising that virtue is the worst crime against humanity there is. We’ve been forced by people doing good to let others take control of the production of our lives. We are pets of a socialist one world government.
What i don’t get is why do they care? Why do they think they should force the whole world into their economic prison? What’s it to them that i don’t want any of it? Why can’t i live how i want?
We’re not allowed to live as humans and while they keep trying to make us live how they’ve decided it will only get worse.

277696 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #370 of 2297 🔗

I can understand the frustration, and I too think that many people are underestimating the forces we are up against (whether forces of stupidity or deliberate wickedness — there are both). Nevertheless, it is absolutely vital that as many people as possible stand up against this assault on humanity — even if only partially for the while. We need all the allies we can get.

I regard Simon Dolan as a very courageous person and what he is doing as very important, as it at least gives some coverage to sceptic views. Ultimately, the only way to win this battle is through parliament, the courts and public opinion. Civil disobedience may have an important role to play in achieving our aims, but in the end what counts is the law. Most of all, the ‘vaccination passports’ — and the apartheid regime that will come with them — must be defeated at all costs.

277543 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, 2, #371 of 2297 🔗

Have you found out yet what ‘Johnson’ means in The Big Lebowski?

278714 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #372 of 2297 🔗

I’ve been thinking of that a lot lately. Very appropriate!

One of my favourite films too.

277217 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #373 of 2297 🔗

An effective vaccine confers immunity from the disease caused by the infectious agent. A vaccinated individual has that immunity regardless of whether anyone else is vaccinated or not. Vaccination is a clinical treatment, it is not a public health measure. A person who is vaccinated cannot be made ill by an unvaccinated person. The vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. However, a vaccinated individual could transmit the infectious agent to an unvaccinated individual, resulting in them becoming ill. As is usual with the coronavirus official narrative, it is backwards nonsense.

277232 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #374 of 2297 🔗

Can’t you just hear the mainstream bleating already?

“anti-vaxxer mmmmmah’

“conspiracy theorist mmmmmmmah”

277236 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 7, #375 of 2297 🔗

Name calling is not an argument; it is an admission that they have no argument.

277351 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #376 of 2297 🔗

The flu vaccine does not confer immunity on the recipient, it only reduces the severity of the disease. It does not make the person infectious.
The BCG TB vaccination has a low effectiveness, which is why it’s no longer a regular vaccination and restricted to high risk areas.
The whooping cough (pertussis) vaccination is not for life neither does catching the disease confer long term immunity, i.e. you can catch it twice.
Some vaccines use inactive viruses/bacteria and others attenuated viruses, both sufficient to render an immune response ( temperature, inflammation around injection site) but not the full blown disease. There is one known exception and that is the polio vaccine can cause paralysis.
The U.K. lost its measles free status a few years back due to a rise in cases.

277571 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to p02099003, 1, #377 of 2297 🔗

You appear to have missed the first three words of my post: “An effective vaccine…” Flu vaccines are ineffective.

As to vaccine not making the vaccinated individual infectious – I never said a vaccine does, but just because someone has been vaccinated does not prevent them from coming into contact with the infectious agent nor does it prevent them from passing it on.

As to having the illness and recovering not conferring life long immunity – if it does not, there is no way a vaccine could for the vaccine merely enables the immune system to recognise the agent and develop defences, which is what has obviously happened when an individual recovers.

As to your vague reference to measles: the vaccinated are not acquiring measles, it is the unvaccinated.

278739 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #378 of 2297 🔗

Vaccinated people get measles – in embarrassingly large numbers.

277223 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 11, #379 of 2297 🔗

Someone else posted this link yesterday. I couldn’t believe what I read.

Paul Offit is one of the most pro vaccine Docs in the world. Even he’s not keen according to the article:

Paul Offit, 65, would NOT currently take the vaccine(s) until much more data is available, especially for his age group and health status.

https://adapnation.io/what-a-world-leading-vaccine-expert-has-to-say/

277243 ▶▶ Sally, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #380 of 2297 🔗

Excellent. Thanks for posting this!

277227 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 1, #381 of 2297 🔗

Gove coming up on Talk Radio -should be fun

277261 ▶▶ Biker, replying to arfurmo, 18, #382 of 2297 🔗

It’s not fun, he’s a tedious lying prick. Fuck this guy and the rest of them. How can my life be in the hands of such piss poor people?
He wants people in care homes to get the vaccine, jesus. If i ever make it to a care home i’m be mainlining crack at this point. Sure give me the vaccine i’ll snort that fucker with my DMT. This whole episode has shown how many people are scared to live. They’re all waiting for life to start while it passes them by. Fuck that. I’d rather die under the wheels of a bus than live in fear of death. Can’t wait to get back to the darkness of eternity.

277538 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Biker, 3, #383 of 2297 🔗

You know the problem. all MP’s were at one time kids you would cuff round the ear for being smart. Then run rings round on the football/rugby pitch. And then stick kick me on their back. This is them fucking getting their own back on us.

277416 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to arfurmo, 2, #384 of 2297 🔗

The only way this could be fun if he was wearing an orange jumpsuit and got done, full on jihadi style with a dull , rust blade. That is what he and his little shits in our Government deserve. Just that, nothing more, nothing less.

277313 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #386 of 2297 🔗

That is chilling. How can someone stand there and say we may forcibly carry out this medical procedure? Sick

277347 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #387 of 2297 🔗

The complicity in enforcing this bollocks is staggering. Surely these people must know what they are involved in is morally reprehensible?

278753 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #388 of 2297 🔗

Holistic psychiatrist is surely an oxymoron.

277233 Panda, replying to Panda, 23, #389 of 2297 🔗

It’s the news on how they plan to try and marginalise the people that decide not to take the vaccine that worries and angers me the most. I have no doubt that the craven, virtue signalling, businesses will initially lap this up and actively engage in the divide and conquer tactics.

Why can’t we use their own strategy against them though? If we organised (through a site like this) we could start compiling boycott lists to inform like minded people not to give those businesses their custom. This may not be a choice we have in the short term in any case, but we could use this boycott list as a way of remembering those complicit, long after this farce is over.

It would send a message to businesses that their actions have consequences and this is not a one way debate. Imagine if just a few businesses refused to comply with these government diktats. We could shout their names from the roof tops. Divide and rule tactics work well for a reason, all it would take is a few businesses to hold out and it dramatically weakens the grander strategy. With a bit of financial backing we could even start to advertise these boycott lists.

Even if you do decide to take the vaccine, I would like to think that many would take a stand at the totalitarian tactics our pathetic government are pitching here.

I hate having to pitch things like boycott lists, but it’s one of the only ways I think we can fight back against their strategy. What we need though – urgently – is organisation.

Anyway, hope you’re all well (in the circumstances at least). Keep fighting.

277375 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Panda, 3, #390 of 2297 🔗

I think that’s a great idea. I’m also hoping it won’t be necessary, and common decency within the cesspit we know as ‘the government’ will prevail. What am a I saying? ‘Common decency’ and ‘government’. Not going to happen, is it?

277535 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 6, #391 of 2297 🔗

Showing proof of covid vaccine simply isn’t diverse though is it?
To be truly diverse, they would need to account for similarly: HIV, TB, chlorella, SARS, H1N1, Legionnaires, Influenza, Pneumonia, bronchitis, Whooping cough, impetigo, athlete’s foot…..surely??

277822 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Panda, 2, #392 of 2297 🔗

Yes. A fantastic idea. I reckon Tim Martin may be on board; if so, that’s somewhere to go in most places.

But I will gladly support anywhere that refuses to adopt this fascistic apartheid.

277237 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 15, #393 of 2297 🔗

All this talk of some businesses demanding “proof” of being vaccinated as a condition of entry is deeply sinister and smacks of a weird, new form of “acceptable” apartheid.

It was reckoned a few months back that herd immunity would require 67% of the population to receive the vaccination. Let’s throw the bedwetters a little slack, and round that up to 70%.

70% is going to be easily achievable within a few weeks, so that should surely dictate “job done”?

I’m not an anti-vaxxer by the way, but I won’t be queueing up or pestering my GP and his hideous hag receptionists for it either.

277246 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Matt The Cat, 9, #394 of 2297 🔗

It was just one of those conspiracy theories 2 months ago.

277296 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Matt The Cat, 2, #395 of 2297 🔗

They still claim 80% on the BBC as did Zahawi on that interview.

They have no intention of recognising pre existing immunity or acquired immunity through infection. The HIT studies show in many cases it can be 40% or lower. And if you protect the vulnerable, that can be achieved within a very low risk cohort.

277546 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #396 of 2297 🔗

Yes and you surely dont need to vaccinate the young do you?

277369 ▶▶ anon, replying to Matt The Cat, 2, #397 of 2297 🔗

what is it about gps’ receptionists?

og karens.

277907 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to anon, #398 of 2297 🔗

Yep, in my experience, they seem to be drawn exclusively from the ranks of the generally unpleasant, contrary jobsworths who you’d cross six lanes of traffic to avoid, normally. “A breed apart”, as the saying goes.

277750 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Matt The Cat, 4, #399 of 2297 🔗

bedwetters

Uptick for use of that long forgotten, but still well loved word. 🙂

hideous hag receptionists

We go to the same surgery, Matt? 😉

277911 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Ceriain, 1, #400 of 2297 🔗

Small world! But I wouldn’t wanna paint it!

277247 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #401 of 2297 🔗

From Facebook. President of Ghana. Sorry, still searching for link.

277254 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #402 of 2297 🔗

Wow – is this seriously for real? Would like to know the source.

277255 ▶▶ calchas, replying to PastImperfect, 9, #403 of 2297 🔗

Be careful. I checked this out a while ago. Couldn’t find a source.

I am going to check again.

There is a great deal of scepticism in Africa.

People are infuriated that pharma companies like to test vaccines there.

In Uganda the families of supposed Covid fatalities were all claiming that they really died of something else.

277280 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PastImperfect, #404 of 2297 🔗

Send in the CIA

277282 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #405 of 2297 🔗

Sadly it’s a fake. The President of Ghana didn’t actually say that.

277295 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Chicot, #406 of 2297 🔗

http://presidency.gov.gh/

There’s an election campaign going on.

Lots of maks, not so much distancing, judging by the pictures.

277257 Freecumbria, 8, #407 of 2297 🔗

My letter to my Cumbrian MP (Tim Farron, Westmorland and Lonsdale)

Dear Mr Farron

All the major studies (Zoe, ONS, REACT) showed that at a national level ‘infections’ had plateaued and started reducing before the second lockdown started.

I’ve seen claims that it was down to lockdown but that’s nonsense, the data analysis just doesn’t back up that claim. To give lockdown credit for a fall that was already happening is silly. Anyway the zoe data and ONS data is there for you to see, go and have a look if you haven’t seen it and decide for yourself rather than believe me.

Tim Spector tweeted on 3rd November BEFORE lockdown and before the lockdown vote “More good news as the Zoe CSS app survey continues to show a plateauing and slight fall in new cases in England, Wales and Scotland with an R of 1.0 – cases still increasing in the south from a lower base.”

Switzerland who haven’t locked down this time round is seeing falling numbers also, without lockdown. How strange if it’s lockdowns that cause the fall!

There is a lot of regional variation also, if the national lockdown worked all areas should have fallen in the same way, they didn’t.

None of this is surprising as all the science (e.g. the Lancet study) shows that lockdowns have little or no efficacy (countries with the most severe lockdowns associate with a slightly higher death rate per million overall although there is significant variation between countries). However lockdowns do cause large numbers of indirect health and economic related deaths in Westmorland and Lonsdale and elsewhere to set against the no lives that lockdowns seem to save. I’d be happy to give you a link to all these studies that show lockdowns don’t work and to evidence of the indirect affects.

Please do not vote for this damaging continuing lockdown

277263 Ben, replying to Ben, 18, #408 of 2297 🔗

Life is being destroyed but Labour, instead of trying to help the people see it as an opportunity for political opportunism. Suicides, cancelled medical treatment, destruction of the economy, destruction of civil liberties means nothing to Labour

277287 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 6, #409 of 2297 🔗

They are disgraceful. And those that are supporters, happy to go along with the polticial opportunism of their leader all while throwing liberty in the bin, are complicit in the destruction of society.

277330 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ben, 5, #410 of 2297 🔗

Labour is as culpable as the thugs in charge.

277267 George, replying to George, 40, #411 of 2297 🔗

It’s only three weeks
To flatten the curve
It’s not much to ask
It’s what we deserve

It’s only a mask
To keep us all safe
Why does it matter
If I can’t see your face?

It’s only a protest
And it’s selfish, you see
When expressing your views
Can harm you and me

It’s only your freedom
It’s not a big deal
Freedom’s an illusion
But the virus is real

It’s only a vaccine
There’s no need to resist
Your Freedom Pass please
We have to insist

It’s only Easter,
There’ll be another next year
It’s only Christmas
And the pandemic is here

It’s only saying goodbye
To your dying wife
It’s only your liberty
It’s only your life

277288 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to George, 4, #412 of 2297 🔗

That’s very good!

277325 ▶▶ FatBastardMcKenzie, replying to George, 6, #413 of 2297 🔗

Beautiful

277272 Mark, replying to Mark, 19, #415 of 2297 🔗

When faced with a threat there are two kinds of response.

The first, characteristic of children and cowards, is to take costly emergency measures without thought for the costs. The only consideration is escaping from the perceived danger, come what may. Drop everything, run and hide, give no thought to responsibilities or losses involved. Make no calm assessment of how big the danger really is, no effort to put it into proportion.

The second is that of adults in control of their faculties. It is the rational cost/benefit analysis prior to rational decision-making. How serious is the danger? What are my responsibilities? What would the costs be of the run and hide response? How likely is it to actually save us?

Our government have behaved like children and cowards, and the opposition have been worse.

277493 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mark, 5, #416 of 2297 🔗

I agree. Our government is a petulant child, that will break its own toy, rather than let another child play with it.

277559 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Mark, 2, #417 of 2297 🔗

Worse than that they are behaving like bullies. There is never an argument against bullies because all they want is your fear (and probably your lunch money). At the end of the day the only way out us to say NO. But that takes real bravery and the chance you may get beaten up.

279360 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, #418 of 2297 🔗

Bully for them! Bully them right back.

277273 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #419 of 2297 🔗

FYI, the mental health study mentioned above the line is being sponsored by Janssen-Cilag Limited , a pharmaceutical subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson.

Make of that what you will.

277283 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #420 of 2297 🔗

Is there no end to the corporate capture

277292 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mabel Cow, #421 of 2297 🔗

Hi Mabel Cow. I can’t locate the study atl, would you mind linking here. Thank you 🙂

277716 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mabel Cow, #423 of 2297 🔗

Thank you 🙂

277470 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #424 of 2297 🔗

According to some reports the global market for antidepressants is expected to double this year . A vaccine isn’t the only way for big pharma to get even rich through all this malarkey.

277275 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 37, #425 of 2297 🔗

Most mornings I get up early and walk for a couple of miles around my beautiful town of Darlington before I sit behind a desk til 5pm. It s a dull job but i m grateful I still work considering the hell people are going through right now.
This morning it was beautiful, the full moon was shining upon the lake in South Park, people were jogging and walking their dogs. It was really cold I suppose but I just felt warmth.  Today I got a smile from a beautiful stranger, which was unexpected but lovely.
I then stand in the town centre drinking my Gregg
s coffee, more or less alone, under Christmas lights and the town clock (it is normally very busy at that time) – it is lovely and I vow to remember those words of David Icke – it is “infinite awareness” , we are about 65 million they are, well, a few fascist creeps in a room .   Kids are kicking a football around under the Stalinist Town Hall, shame that some of them are masked.   I look up Mechanics Yard and can`t wait until I can again rack up at bar at The”Quakerhouse” for a few leisurely pints – not some one way system -no music- table service only hell. So I am going to try, really try, to be and remain positive through all this and have faith in my fellow citizen. Sorry to waffle !!

277355 ▶▶ gina, replying to nickbowes, 5, #426 of 2297 🔗

Its not waffle – I found it gently uplifting, kind of poetic. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

277364 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to gina, 3, #427 of 2297 🔗

Thanks ! its either that or crying really.

277389 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to nickbowes, 1, #428 of 2297 🔗

I hear you.

277422 ▶▶ Ben, replying to nickbowes, 4, #429 of 2297 🔗

Thank you. You put the ‘darling’ back in Darlington

277277 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 17, #430 of 2297 🔗

One comment from a reader yesterday which is very pertinent was the comparison of the reaction to Covid to the establishment of a new religion/ cult. This is an interesting observation with believers and non believers divided not by education, class or background but by other factors less tangible.

Working on the front line recently reinforced this to me . I had the odd experience of the doctor next door taking longer to clean down the room after every non infectious patient ( non hot in 2020 medical jargon ) visit than spent with the actual patient. It was an extreme version of Kim and Aggi. Clinell wipes on any surface whether touched or non touched. Every person was an extreme biohard. I also talked to the usual cleaner who has not got a university education with post graduate experience.; they were of the opinion that it was a load of nonsense. the latters opinion I had to tease out by being receptive to the idea.

So yes the Covid response has similarities to the birth of a cult ; how long this will last depends on us.

277286 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Peter Thompson, 13, #431 of 2297 🔗

The majority of sceptics I know in person are working or middle class with very few of them having university education. Common sense and a bit of wit is all one needs to realise what an utter farce this all is.

277565 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Janice21, 5, #432 of 2297 🔗

Most of the clever and well informed people I know are what would be called uneducated. But a lot of the stupidest and fluffy people I know are in terms of qualifications the smartest

277583 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #433 of 2297 🔗

Tell me about it – I work in the academic world!

278904 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, #434 of 2297 🔗

This is very true.

277278 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #435 of 2297 🔗

Looking for some help her

I’m looking to get a couple of ton of sawdust to be delivered to Tyburn by 3pm

Will pay up front if required, or COD, your call

Any suggestions?

277311 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #436 of 2297 🔗

A muck spreader to Downing Street would be more fun.

277340 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basileus, 3, #437 of 2297 🔗

A dumping of used blue masks outside parliament.

277281 Exiled off mainstreet, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 6, #438 of 2297 🔗

“I am not a doctor but I have played one on the telly”- Boris wearing the doctor suit in the Daily Mail presentation.

277294 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 5, #439 of 2297 🔗

“I am not a real Prime Minister but I have played one on the telly.”

277317 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to OKUK, 3, #440 of 2297 🔗

That was our mistake in the 1980’s, Paul Eddington should have been our prime minister.

277326 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to OKUK, #441 of 2297 🔗

i am not a real prime minister, I am Big hero 6

277332 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 2, #442 of 2297 🔗

as below – a good likeness i think

277334 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to mjr, 1, #443 of 2297 🔗

Time I got some new glasses.

277505 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to OKUK, 2, #444 of 2297 🔗

I am not a real human being, but I played one once and got away with it for a while.

277289 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #445 of 2297 🔗

Kneel Starmer has done a rather good job as opposition in encouraging the government to dig their own swamp,

277301 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #446 of 2297 🔗

Much as I dislike him and everything he stands for, I think he is (relatively) impressive for the basics – he turns up on time, is clean, tidy and well prepared. He is not a brilliant orator, and nor is he an exceptionally smart ‘brief’, but he has played his hand well to date.

277346 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #447 of 2297 🔗

And he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn.

277358 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Will, #448 of 2297 🔗

That is surely his sole good point!

277405 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #449 of 2297 🔗

Yes we want him to oppose the lockdown because it would kill this government. But why should he. He does not want to be in power now, it’s a shitshow, just sit back let it all play out and play the was “nothing to do with me” card when it’s all finished.

277415 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #450 of 2297 🔗

I’m sorry a leader stands up and is counted at times like this. Labour could have a rout at the next election if they turned sceptical. The fact they are more concerned about test and trace is sinister.

277322 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #451 of 2297 🔗

That’s not “doing a good job” as opposition – that’s just self-serving opportunism.

Whether it will actually prove even to have been “good” at that rather depends on whether they can get away with their positioning as uber-lockdown zealots, long term.

277357 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #452 of 2297 🔗

Except that it is OUR swamp.

277500 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #453 of 2297 🔗

And an even better job of encouraging people not to vote labour ever again.

277290 OKUK, 23, #454 of 2297 🔗

Until this year I never really understood the thinking behind the idea that we have natural rights. Having one’s liberty constrained by diktat, having one’s free speech curtailed, being forced to wear masks and seeing a thuggish security force let loose on the citizenry is an education, is it not?

I now understand that freedom is our natural right. We are free because of what it means to be human: to have our natural physical processes,,such as breathing, to be social animals who suffer if deprived of natural social contact, and to have an array of hard wired perceptual and conceptual systems that enable us to detect truth from lies.

277293 Burlington, replying to Burlington, 22, #455 of 2297 🔗

Julia Hartley-Brewer is on fire this morning. Her interviews with with Col Bob Stewart and Michael Gove.really highlighted the innate stupidity in the thinking of these political dimwits.
The BS comming from these two is breath taking. It illustrates exactly why this nation is well and truly f***ed with these people in charge
It’s well worth a watch.

277300 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Burlington, 4, #456 of 2297 🔗

It also appears that the politicians ARE taking the SAGE groups information as being suitable for policy making. I don’t hear about any validation and verification, the very things used for all other safety critical endeavours.

277324 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to mhcp, 2, #457 of 2297 🔗

Yes, it seems as if SAGE is working them all from behind “hands free.”

277397 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 1, #458 of 2297 🔗

I suppose if this is the only official info you are being fed what else can you believe? Nobody in this rebel group has presented the data from the GBD or Mike Yeardon to chuck into today’s debate. And it’s all the same strategy release the data hours before the debate and then have a short debate. Just little sheepies.

277327 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Burlington, 4, #459 of 2297 🔗

If I wanted take a hill covered in machine gun nests I would ask the military how best to achieve the objective.

But when the military – people like Stewart , Ellwood, Jarvis and Cross – involve themselves in poilitics they just come across as simplistic at best and stupid at worst.

For JHB it’s like shooting fish in a barrel I’m sure but I was dismayed by the thoughtless welcome she gave to the vaccine cavalry coming over the hill. Many here realised at the time it would be swiftly followed by moves to establish coercive vaccination policies based on digital passports.

277435 ▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to OKUK, 1, #460 of 2297 🔗

Us army, blow it to smithereens then attack with overwhelming force. British Army, a couple of tactical bombs which miss the target then send ill equipped small group directly up the hill. Dig in for 6mths and complain. Rinse repeat for 70 years.

277777 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 3, #461 of 2297 🔗

I was dismayed by the thoughtless welcome she gave to the vaccine cavalry coming over the hill.

Yes, I’ve been disappointed by a few ‘sceptics’ who have welcomed the vaccine, and other measures so easily.

On last week’s Planet Normal podcast, a reader wrote in saying that maybe recording that you had had a negative Covid test, or the vaccine, into the Test and Trace app would help you to move about; a “‘kind of ‘freedom pass’ if you like”. Pearson and Halligan were delighted, thinking that was a ‘great idea’.

Me? I was fucking horrified!

277350 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Burlington, 8, #462 of 2297 🔗

What a car crash interview. This is the scary thing – people like him are making life-changing decisions. I know there is a power grab from corporations going on, but ultimately it is the utter stupidity of our “leaders” that is to blame.

We must have the most intellectually feeble generation in history running the show at the moment. It’s only in a Party system of government where a fuckwit like him could get elected.

I long to see the end of the party system – it is not fit for purpose in the 21st century

277434 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Burlington, #463 of 2297 🔗

I thought she did brilliantly against Stewart but didn’t have the Sweden facts to hand to rebut Gove.

277706 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to arfurmo, 3, #464 of 2297 🔗

Gove is a tricky customer and to argue the case for Sweden would have needed Ivor Cummins – The Last Word on Sweden Viral Issue – Understanding the Reality! and someone who is prepared to engage in reasoned debate. Gove might as well have been singing La la la la with his fingers in his ears during that interview. He appears increasingly to be the Government’s reincarnation of Joseph Goebels.

277884 ▶▶ malasdair, replying to Burlington, #465 of 2297 🔗

She was excellent. Gove was out and out lying. It was obvious he doesn’t believe his own bullshit.

279362 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Burlington, #466 of 2297 🔗

Perhaps, after all these years, true Conservatives have become an endangered species in politics.

277297 swedenborg, 11, #467 of 2297 🔗

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1333558844430176267

“Moderna started making a vax as soon as the 1st SARS2 genome was shared: “January 11.. Chinese authorities shared the genetic sequence.. January 13.. Moderna.. mobilized toward clinical manufacture.” This was 1 week before H2H confirmed by China on Jan 20”

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1333556347259002880

“The day after Dr. Li signed the letter, a leading Chinese vaccine developer Sinopharm kicked into high gear manufacturing a covid vaccine on Jan 4; 2 weeks before China confirmed human-to-human transmission.”

Until 20th Jan the official line was no human-human transmission only transmission from animals/markets directly to humans (in line with H5N1 flu virus). Dr Li was the one warning about human -human transmission early Jan.
The startling thing is this. Vaccine manufacturers both in China and the US started vaccine development well before the official declaration 20th Jan that it was human-human transmission.
There can only be one explanation. Inside knowledge that this was human-human transmission.
But if Big Pharma knew why not governments?

277298 OldBaldGamer, replying to OldBaldGamer, 33, #468 of 2297 🔗

So Arcadia and Debenhams going Tits up, 30k jobs gone (and never coming back) High streets are already becoming Drug and Gang zones, and the “parliament” is voting on more restrictions. They will not stop.

I am not trying to upset anyone, but I am a realist. Life as you knew it in February is gone.

We can resist (the vast majority wont) but regardless of if the globalist win or there is popular revolt, there is no going back to that life, The economy is completely shattered.

I don’t understand the concern over needing a vaccination passport for the Pub ? ( and fuck any business that tries it) Its access to the NHS, GP and Dentists you should be worried about.

At this stage I am thinking about how many of these fuckers I can take down with me. or just finding somewhere on the planet that is relatively sane.

Wrong side of bed sort of morning, which is happening more frequently than I would like.

277329 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to OldBaldGamer, 5, #469 of 2297 🔗

And yet again they are going with the pensions deficit. As if that’s Green’s responsibilty. They fleeced him of 363 million for BHS even though:

a) The pension fund is independent of the company
b) Interest rates dropped from 3% to 0.25% from 2009 and there was no substantial increase in pension contributions

And I’m sure we’ll here the same thing about Arcardia group. It is the responsibility of the individual to look after their money. The choices you make are just that.

277406 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to mhcp, 2, #470 of 2297 🔗

All pension funds are in trouble – because all of them require large holding of government Gilts to keep them going. There is insufficient stable income from private operations to pay out pensions.

The pension funds are where the buck stops.

277404 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to OldBaldGamer, 9, #471 of 2297 🔗

I absolutely agree, I am of the view that the population needs to suffer. The sheep (sorry I have no other name for them) have become complacent during peace times. They are quite happy to sit on their arse and vegetate in front of social media and watching love Island, whilst well orchestrated men in suits systematically remove their freedoms and liberties. These people won’t wake up without significant hardship.

277306 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #472 of 2297 🔗

We are all criminals now

277310 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 3, #473 of 2297 🔗

We are the law-abiding, ruled by criminals.

277372 ▶▶ Viv, replying to Cecil B, #474 of 2297 🔗

Leprous criminals at that, intent on killing all who come in contact with us …

277307 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #475 of 2297 🔗

Proof, if proof needed, that the precautions in place don’t work. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

277318 ▶▶ mjr, replying to p02099003, 5, #476 of 2297 🔗

only mild symptoms . what a pity . would love to see that hypocritical sanctimonious git go down with something really serious.

277419 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, 2, #477 of 2297 🔗

Hypocrisy for a start

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5213101/lewis-hamilton-nephew-princess-dress-video-apology/

Funny how he gets it after he won the title.

277784 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, 1, #478 of 2297 🔗

Funny how he gets it after he won the title.

Funny how he gets it when he’s always wearing that mask.

277432 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to p02099003, 7, #479 of 2297 🔗

How was it possible -they are all muzzled up. Surely it didn’t get through the fabric because if it did, there would be no point in having them.

277459 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to arfurmo, 2, #480 of 2297 🔗

Good point

277312 alw, 10, #481 of 2297 🔗

Seen elsewhere.

Understanding consent doesn’t make you anti-vax, any more than saying no to a little prick in a bar makes you a lesbian”

277319 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #482 of 2297 🔗

Well, it worries me that there is a non liability cause on this vaccine.

277555 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #483 of 2297 🔗

Which is a very good reason not to take it.

277610 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #484 of 2297 🔗

I would go further and say that non-liability is the only reason we need to refuse any of these vaccines.

Rather than argue the toss over whether it was tested enough or whether the right mix of people were in the trial or whether it was a saline placebo or another vaccine or what’s in it or what it does or doesn’t achieve, we just need to say:

“Full criminal liability for adverse effects at the corporate, CEO, and ministerial level is the starting point for the discussion about whether or not people should be asked to accept this vaccine.”

277320 alw, replying to alw, 3, #485 of 2297 🔗

Better late than never.

“In order to seek to control the impact of Covid-19, the Government has introduced successive restrictive measures, with varying degrees of severity, both nationally and locally. The impact of these measures has been widely felt, and some groups have been more affected than others.
As part of the ongoing work into the Government’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic, the Joint Committee on Human Rights is examining the impact of lockdown restrictions on human rights and whether those measures only interfere with human rights to the extent that is necessary and proportionate. In particular, we are interested in the impact of long lockdown on certain communities.”

https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/326/the-governments-response-to-covid19-human-rights-implications-of-long-lockdown/

277382 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to alw, 2, #486 of 2297 🔗

What’s the opposite of finger on the pulse. Nine months to figure taking away people’s human rights might have an impact.

277553 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #487 of 2297 🔗

If they were that bothered they would have questioned the government at the beginning. Sure I get they wanted to see how things went but with the wealth of information now available it’s clear this government has a different agenda and the virus has nothing to do with it.

277549 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, #488 of 2297 🔗

Anything coming from ‘independent’ sources will be a whitewash.

277323 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #489 of 2297 🔗

What’s really worrying about Mr. Hancock saying that the lockdown has brought down infections etc. is that might actually believe what he is saying. It is too early to say. If he can’t see that he should be on the ship’s bridge.

277337 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #490 of 2297 🔗

Very true, Ned. Many habitual liars quickly come to believe their own lies, I think. Unfortunately we are ruled by a hard core of liars par excellence, none of whom should be on the ship’s bridge but no one is going to take them on in any meaningful way.

277594 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #491 of 2297 🔗

You only have to observe Tony Bliar’s continual refusal to admit his wrongdoing to see how these people delude themselves. It takes mental fortitude to accept that you were wrong, a fortitude that these scumbags know nothing of.

277348 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #492 of 2297 🔗

Hancock clearly now has extreme mental issues – a breakdown is not far off!

277352 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to IanE, 2, #493 of 2297 🔗

What a shame… not.

277354 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #494 of 2297 🔗

“might actually believe what he is saying”

The best stooge is the one who DOES believe what he says.

277458 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #495 of 2297 🔗

I think you are right Ned, he almost certainly believes what he says as do nearly all bar 70 or so MP’s. The main problem is that hardly anybody in Westminster, or the country as a whole, can conceive of a situation where the government of the day would deliberately act in a manner calculated to be to the detriment of its own people, or of a government that would act in a manner calculated to deceive its own parliament, even its own sovereign.

In short they cannot and will not believe that an elected government can commit acts of treason against its own nation – yet they are doing so now and will continue to do so in the future.

277338 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 36, #496 of 2297 🔗

Just had a written reply back from my Labour MP to an email sent last week. He will be voting against the government today. I’m not going to say which MP it is yet. Some of them actually do listen and think for themselves.

277341 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #497 of 2297 🔗

Great news

277344 ▶▶ IanE, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #498 of 2297 🔗

Wow!

Personally, I stick to the Red Pill, coincidentally (or perhaps not) the Republican’s colour, as well as the colour for accepting reality: I guess your pseudonym is ironic!

277380 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #499 of 2297 🔗

Great stuff. Thanks for the post,

277444 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, #500 of 2297 🔗

I’ll post the letter after the vote.

277497 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to TheBluePill, #501 of 2297 🔗

That would be a positive outcome – if indeed he does go through with in view of the blanket instruction from Starmer. But it would be interesting to know the MP’s reasoning. Many Labour MPs oppose the planned Tier system only because they are of the view that the measures don’t go far enough.

277339 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #502 of 2297 🔗

https://twitter.com/gglinskii/status/1333551661848035328

Another scandal from Lancet. The pre-print published on the Lacet the other day from China about C-19 origin is India is supposed to have disappeared from Lancet. If this is true fine but it should not have been on the site at all. Now 24 hours later, this Chinese propaganda, this preprint will be circulating all over the world with a thin veneer of respectability supposedly coming from Lancet. Absolute scandal. Horton should be sacked.

277353 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 2, #503 of 2297 🔗

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3977561

Lots more here on the Lancet and its friendliness towards China and support for the whole bullshit agenda in general.

277502 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to swedenborg, 3, #504 of 2297 🔗

In my view, and I have been saying this since March, his emails/texts/phone calls from 23 January 2020, need to be subject to subpoena in any inquiry, along with those of all Cabinet ministers and their scientific advisers.

277342 calchas, replying to calchas, 15, #505 of 2297 🔗

Thinking about the vaccine:

Just imagine if a car company with ties to inportant government officials developed:

A new kind of vehilcle with a new unproven technology.

Which wasn’t adequately tested.

Where the manufacturer had arranged ‘no liabilty’ with the government in case of accident.

Where 80% of people had no need of the vehicle

…but the government and the corporotocracy was already contemplating banning you from certain venues and services if you refused to drive it.

277366 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 7, #506 of 2297 🔗

If a vaccine is safe and effective in conferring immunity against a deadly disease and is provided free to anyone who wants it, why would there be any need for coercion?

277383 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to calchas, 1, #507 of 2297 🔗

Tesla, basically.

277345 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #508 of 2297 🔗

Got another begging letter this time from a library outside Chester that I used to go to when I was doing my (unfinished) PhD.

I simply deleted it however I’m tempted to write back to urge them to fight back.

The cowardice of these institutions is really staggering as is their tunnel vision. Do they seriously believe that begging for money even after their lack of courage and treating visitors as lepers will save them?

I have long reached the point where these libraries, orchestras, theatres, etc don’t deserve to survive.

277359 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #509 of 2297 🔗

All institutions in our society have compromised themselves – every single one.

Never forgive – and never forget.

277356 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #510 of 2297 🔗

The head of the Joint Bio Security Centre who leads the small secretive group advising the government, used to be head of cyber security. It all feels somewhat odd.

And after getting SAGE to publish the minutes there’s now this group set up since June I think, that doesn’t. Anyone else think it’s iffy?

277403 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #511 of 2297 🔗

Iffy doesn’t start to identify the wrongness of this situation
I am listening to Francis Hoar talking about this now.

277361 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 31, #512 of 2297 🔗

Brilliant from a lady called Tania Edwards on twitter

Understanding consent doesn’t make you anti-vax, any more than saying no to a little prick in a bar makes you a lesbian

277370 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #513 of 2297 🔗

I love it. Speaking of whch.

Dr. Vernon Coleman on Bill Gates and vaccines:

“Just a little prick”

Parts 1 and 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ANr7MvS48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVa8maJb5JU

277395 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Aslangeo, 7, #514 of 2297 🔗

It appears I have came across a lot of lesbians in my time

277492 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #515 of 2297 🔗

😅 😅 . That’s brilliant. I’m copying that for future use.

277373 thedarkhorse, replying to thedarkhorse, 20, #516 of 2297 🔗

I’ve been alerted to the fact that a huge vaaccination centre is being set up at Ashton Gate, Bristol, apparently the first one in the country. It’s too bloody close to home. Since I’m 65, I now need to prepare to defend my robust and healthy immune system.
I refuse to be vaccinated with any coronavirus concoction, especially by ham-fisted amateurs.
I had been in the process of preparing a letter to my health centre, to refuse to the jab; but if these huge centres are going to be where it is done then I can’t send it to anyone.
I know that no vaccine(s) have yet been officially selected, but I think the time is fast approaching when we need now to have a battle plan. They are now putting the scenery in place for the mass jabbings.
I’m saying no. And will not go.

277392 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to thedarkhorse, 15, #517 of 2297 🔗

Don’t overthink it, darkhorse. They will have to send you an appointment letter if they ever get around to you and you will be able to say no at that point – and of course, not go. The ineptitude of our rulers/persecutors works in our favour. I believe that they will have so many enthusiastic customers that they will be busy jabbing them for quite some time before they even think about the rest of us.

277417 ▶▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #518 of 2297 🔗

Yes, plenty of enthusiastic customers is the hope I have also, at the moment. I shall keep my head down and pretend I don’t exist. Whilst I don’t wish anyone any harm from any vaccine, I’m hoping for any problems to raise their heads long before they “get” to me.

277489 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Charlie Blue, #519 of 2297 🔗

Yes you have a point! No that wasn’t intentional! 😁

277430 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to thedarkhorse, 4, #520 of 2297 🔗

Alternatively, keep booking and not going over and over. Then in all confusion claim you’ve been but someone kept on cocking up the appointments so can they please stop sending letters now.

277485 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to thedarkhorse, 1, #521 of 2297 🔗

You are not alone. They can get stuffed!

277376 Buck Foris, replying to Buck Foris, 6, #522 of 2297 🔗

“Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death.”

– Adolf Hitler

277481 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Buck Foris, 1, #523 of 2297 🔗

On the other hand to know that death is close by can give rise to ” might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb” attitude.

277378 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #524 of 2297 🔗

Letter to MP:

Dear
Thank you very much for taking the trouble to send me the link to the impact analysis. I really appreciate that you always reply quickly and that you bother to address my points.

Unfortunately, whereas the SI is a very carefully worded document, complete with get-out clause, the “impact analysis” is no such thing. It’s an egregious piece of mendacious fluff, obviously cobbled together and blatantly relying on hyperbolic pronouncements that were thoroughly discredited and rightly ridiculed weeks ago, in order to provoke an emotional response based on fear. To admit so arrogantly that the Cabinet has been breezily spewing out government by draconian SIs for the last 8 months, with no consideration of their overall effects, is an insult to their backbenchers and an eloquent demonstration of their contempt for the electorate. The lockdown damage is deep and will be lasting. They are in fact traitors to their country.

To claim impact analysis is impossible is a blatant lie, especially considering the obscene amounts we spend on “experts”. The old chestnut of saving the NHS really won’t wash any longer, due to the millions of people who were refused treatment this year, many of whom are still waiting in agony to hear their surgery will finally go ahead. Many of whom died prematurely because they couldn’t even get a diagnosis, let alone treatment. I’m not the only one to notice the absence of rainbows in windows recently. I’m not the only one to be aware that the majority of people don’t know even one person who has been ill with covid, regardless of the epidemic of false positive tests. This charade is rapidly crumbling and the hubris displayed in the “impact analysis” is playing with fire.

Here is an actual risk analysis. Its a photo of a broken man, weeping in despair because lockdown has destroyed his life’s work, his honest business, his livelihood and now his self-respect. It’s rapidly becoming a country-wide icon for the whole sorry situation. I watched the arrest live and he did absolutely nothing to provoke the police attack. He was merely exercising his legal, democratic, constitutional right to peaceful protest in a public place and was bundled into the back of a police van by agents of what’s fast becoming a totalitarian state.
[Photo]

If today, you vote to further destroy the jobs and livelihoods of others, do not expect to keep your own.
Yours sincerely

277475 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #525 of 2297 🔗

That is an excellent letter I doubt you will receive an adequate reply, our MPs are nothing but mindless sheep.

277640 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #526 of 2297 🔗

Thank you!
To his credit, he responded in an hour but it’s even worse than anticipated. Here’s his reply:

Thank you for your email. As you know I make my decisions on the local data and vote on that basis.

As I have explained in the past, other NHS services are suffering, but this is because the NHS cannot turn away seriously ill patients with covid which takes up beds and resources, and to make the rest of the hospital covid safe as it is a breeding ground for covid, capacity drops to do other procedures. All which would get worse if measures were removed to get the case numbers down. You are arguing for more people to not get the treatment they need.

I am sorry to hear about the man in the picture, policing in London is the responsibility for the Mayor, and if he genuinely was not breaking the current laws he will have the right to redress.

I am not thinking about the 2024 election, I am thinking of what is genuinely best for my constituents. Take care and stay safe.

Kind regards,

277813 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #527 of 2297 🔗

stay safe

Bastard!

277384 ByTheCoast, 4, #528 of 2297 🔗

On Hospital Numbers, the figures we are shown by the Government (press briefing, Mon30 Nov) are the number of patients WITH Covid. Many of those patients will be being treated for other conditions, the one that they were admitted for. If Covid wasn’t around they would have been in hospital anyway. What we need to know is the number of patients being treated JUST for Covid.

On the question of busy hospitals, I was in Wrightington Hospital 6 weeks ago for elective surgery. The beds were full, the staff were working flat out and doing an excellent job to catch up on the orthopaedic waiting lists. What’s the point of having a hospital with available capacity and patients waiting for treatment?

277385 Mark, replying to Mark, 13, #529 of 2297 🔗

Two of the most valuable members of this forum imo are Mayo and Richard Pinch.

I often – perhaps usually – don’t agree with them, but they are intelligent and they are technically educated and well informed in the area of the numbers and the epidemiology. It’s obvious that many here find them, or their opinions, too annoying to bear, and continually down-vote their posts.

But what they provide is something every group needs – a “red team”. Someone to competently and enthusiastically poke holes in the prevailing wisdom. If you cannot address their points to your own satisfaction, then you have not grasped the situation fully, and you are not prepared for debate with panickers out in the “real world”.

If government had included an effective red team in their thinking on the coronapanic, we would likely not be where we are today.

We here have no shortage of enthusiasm, of expertise committed to the fight. What we do lack are real dissenters from our entire position, who tend to be put off by the whole direction and tone of the site and go elsewhere. That in itself is fine, it makes for a pleasanter atmosphere, but it can and will lead to complacency if there are no red teamers like Mayo and Pinch to keep us on our toes. Better to address these issues here, than getting caught on the hop out there.

Just thought I’d put that out there.

277410 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mark, 3, #530 of 2297 🔗

I agree completely, Mark. Most of us can be susceptible to confirmation bias and emotional thinking and it is crucial that we do not simply hunker down while clutching our own articles of faith and abandoning critical thinking. I support the position that Mayo has made previously that we should be sceptical about everything, not just the things that jar with our own viewpoint.

277414 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Mark, 2, #531 of 2297 🔗

Agreed. There are times I want to pinch Pinch but he does sharpen my thinking.

278902 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to thinkaboutit, #532 of 2297 🔗

He does have rather a one track mind though and seems to be rather robotic…I imagine him getting off to mathematical models rather than porn lol. I have met many academics like him (I am one myself) and believe me you would not want to go for a pint with one of them.,

277522 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 3, #533 of 2297 🔗

I’d tend to agree but Mayo has consistently seemed to push his predicted scenarios further out and the burden of proof always remains on the shoulders who say the government is plain wrong. This kind of debate can go on forever as he only really needs to be right once.

Just my take on it. I have had similar arguments with maskers who never concede any ground, just retreat into laying the burden of proof always on me to show that they won’t save a single life. Rather than them having to prove their own position given it is being used to fine people

278377 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Mark, 3, #534 of 2297 🔗

Gosh! I’m flattered, thanks. I don’t mind saying that I enjoy, and find valuable, some of the challenge and debate here: and if nothing else it has helped me to clarify my own ideas.

277386 Hoppy Uniatz, 8, #535 of 2297 🔗

Several unmasked members of staff in Waitrose (Waitrose!) this morning, and although the lady at the checkout was wearing an African fabric type mask, she beamed at me with her eyes and said “Have a great day, Madam!”

277391 Viv, replying to Viv, 2, #536 of 2297 🔗

Funny that Labour will abstain – the ‘reason’ for this tiers Statutory instrument is, again, to ‘save’ and ‘protect’ “Our NHS”.
Isn’t protecting and saving the NHS one of the most important political aims of Labour? So – what gives?

277393 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Viv, 5, #537 of 2297 🔗

It is a very dangerous narrative that will potentially damage the NHS Brand as it implies the NHS failed us, rather than Gov policy.

277469 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Paulus, 2, #538 of 2297 🔗

The Establishment has failed us all by using tyranny against the people. Once they do they they’ve lost!

277396 mhcp, 3, #539 of 2297 🔗

I’ve always said that before you do any analysis you have to make sure you have measured the thing you say you are measuring. Otherwise you confuse noise with patterns.

This is the Scientific Method 101.

Sadly a lot of academics who call themselves scientists do not understand what this means when that analysis is used in the real world.

What is interesting is that according to the current policy a PCR positive is considered a sign of infection with SARS-CoV-2 and hence there are measures in place.

Yet, in diagnoses by doctors, a negative test yet scarring in X-rays is considered a positive case of COVID-19 from SARS-CoV-2.

So you can have COVID both with a positive and negative test.

Great system of classification and measurement that.

277400 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 16, #540 of 2297 🔗

Matt Hancock is a lying sack of shit.

we will get a very high proportion of the people in this country to take up the vaccine, because of course it protects you but it also helps to protect your loved ones and your community

For the hundredth time: there is no evidence that any of the candidate vaccines will interrupt transmission of this virus (and hence ‘protect your loved ones and your community’), nor could there be such evidence, because the clinical trials aren’t looking for it .

277445 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to mattghg, 6, #541 of 2297 🔗

The whole premise of the argument is bollocks anyway. If someone in your community is worried get the vaccine.

277465 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mattghg, 4, #542 of 2297 🔗

He can F. O I no longer listen to this shite!

277627 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mattghg, 2, #543 of 2297 🔗

If we’re all going to have it anyway, why do they need d-list celebrities and minor Royals to persuade us, and businesses to coerce us by refusing service to the unvaccinated?

278421 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to mattghg, 1, #544 of 2297 🔗

It’s OK. Facebook will be along shortly to fact check him.

277401 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #545 of 2297 🔗

Flashback to 2009 nd the great reporting by Sharyl Atkinson of CBS on the swine flu scam:

“If you’ve been diagnosed “probable” or “presumed” 2009 H1N1 or “swine flu” in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.

In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That’s according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/

277487 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to calchas, #546 of 2297 🔗

Sharyl Atkinson is a legend. Required reading if you’re interested in US politics & stuff. Her court case vs the Obama administration goons who hacked her, is also quite shocking.

277408 jakehadlee, replying to jakehadlee, 16, #547 of 2297 🔗

Something I never thought I’d say but am saying because of the shamdemic #23 : I like the Daily Mail*.

I particularly like they’ve now got a ticker at the top of their site saying ‘Lockdown: Day 253’ – reminiscent of the ‘Deaths” score that all the papers were running when people were actually dying of something in the Spring.

What I would love them to add is “Jobs Lost” and “Lockdown Cost” running ticker – showing the daily economic cost. Or maybe this site should run one. There are some good WordPress plug-ins that would do it easily enough.
*Don’t worry, it’s only for the duration, I’m sure.

277449 ▶▶ Mark, replying to jakehadlee, 13, #548 of 2297 🔗

Daily Mail and TalkRadio – two outlets I rarely frequented pre-2020, now compulsory.

277454 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Mark, 4, #549 of 2297 🔗

Just wish the Mail would sort out the way it displays adverts. I get the need to raise ad income, but covering up the whole page with invasive videos and pop-ups just make the site unreadable. I’d spend far longer on there, and see more ads, if they didn’t keep covering the content.

277464 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jakehadlee, 3, #550 of 2297 🔗

Use an ad blocker!

277537 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bella Donna, #551 of 2297 🔗

That’s what I do and it’s great! I use the Firefox browser and the ABP add-on.

277477 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jakehadlee, 2, #552 of 2297 🔗

I agree with that. The distracting sidebar is also annoying – there’s a place for pictures of scantily clad ladies, but it’s irritating to have them catching your eye when you are trying to focus elsewhere.

I recall when I was younger I used to prefer the BBC because I found the adverts on commercial TV and radio too annoying. Nowadays I find it’s the other way round. I can put up with the adverts, but I find the establishment idiocies routinely layered on with a trowel by the state broadcaster just too annoying to put up with..

277503 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Mark, 2, #553 of 2297 🔗

You need to add UK Column to that list and you’re good to go:

https://www.ukcolumn.org/

277547 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Mark, 4, #554 of 2297 🔗

The DM were cheerleaders for lockdown and the hysteria that caused it in March. They have recently started mixing in some good cop bad cop stories which I admit but I can’t forgive the way they demonised sceptics as covidiots etc with Moron leading the charge.

Even on Saturday they were ridiculing the guy who broke down in tears as he was arrested. They may now have added some sceptical arguments and for that we should be grateful but I detest them for their coverage which has led us to here.

277597 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #555 of 2297 🔗

All of our mainstream media outlets, without exception, were cheerleaders for lockdown in March. A few included the occasional dissenting voice.

I don’t require full editorial support from a media outlet, just willingness to cover both sides, which is what has been so notably missing from the likes of the Guardian/BBC/Times etc. Those latter are the publications your (justified) hatred should really be directed at first, rather than those such as the DM, Spectator and Telegraph which have been notably willing to give a voice to scepticism.

As I’ve pointed out here before, we can win any argument in the end, because the facts are on our side, but there has to be at least an argument allowed.

As for Morgan, granted he’s a huge blot on any outlet that employs him. But he clearly does a job for them. That’s celeb culture, I suppose.

279372 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, #556 of 2297 🔗

Mark Windows, Windows on the World.

277411 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 24, #557 of 2297 🔗

Starmer said ” “Coronavirus remains a serious threat to the public’s health”.
He and all the rest know full well it isn’t. That’s the bottom line. They KNOW they are lying.

277425 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Banjones, 9, #558 of 2297 🔗

I think you and I both must have missed some ‘directive’ somewhere along the line, not only is it mandatory to wear face nappies, but obviously it is also mandatory to wear blinkers as well so as to make it absolutely impossible to see anything resembling reality.

277412 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 11, #559 of 2297 🔗

The only Labour MP I know of who is voting against the National Hoax Service Junta this evening is Richard Burgon, so respect to him. Even if he is doing it for exactly the wrong reasons (ie he thinks tiers are too relaxed … for Christ’s sake!).

277421 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Matt The Cat, 7, #560 of 2297 🔗

I had a written reply from mine (Labour safe seat) this morning that he is voting against it.

277424 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Matt The Cat, 15, #561 of 2297 🔗

Yeah, I got excited for a second when I saw Labour were abstaining, thinking maybe the penny had dropped. Then I realised it was because they wanted tougher restrictions.

It amazes me that the politicians – particularly Labour who have everything to gain from playing the long game – can’t see that, even if the polls appear to indicate majority support for lockdown that is only because people have been terrified into believing something that is obviously false to anyone with any level of reason.

They won’t be scared come the next election. What they will be is broke, pissed off, angry and out for blood. They won’t remember the fear, but they will see the devastation to the economy, their children’s futures, their High Streets, the arts, the NHS etc – and they will remember who did it.

Any politician who wants to stand even the remotest chance of being in a position of power in three years time needs to vote against lockdowns – because those who supported them are going to be swept away.

277446 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jakehadlee, 11, #562 of 2297 🔗

As Lance Foreman rightly says in the Talkradio clip linked above the line here:

The whole political class has been tainted’ by 2020

Personally I’d say it was moribund years, nay decades, ago. It’s just coming to a head now, and this coronapanic crisis has put it on clear display to all.

277558 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #563 of 2297 🔗

I agree with what you are saying about the long-term view, but in my experience, most politicians are very short-term thinkers. It looks like they are still worried about being blamed for deaths this winter and want to outdo the Conservatives on lockdowns for our ‘protection’. There’s probably a bit of ideology in there as well, with the left typically supporting big government.

In general, most politicians are not very bright, but they are good with short-term game playing.

277420 Mel, replying to Mel, 13, #564 of 2297 🔗

Got this from the office of my MP this morning


Thank you again for writing to Miriam Cates MP to offer your thoughtful considerations about the approach to COVID-19.

Miriam has read your email and asked me to respond to you on her behalf.

Miriam completely accepts that there are differing views on the best way to approach the virus, and notes that most countries around the world are adopting a similar approach to the UK, with some taking far more stringent approaches.

Miriam will, of course, continue to interrogate the evidence so that she is properly able to raise her thoughts with colleagues on behalf of constituents. It is important to recognise that throughout, Miriam has made clear that she wants to see an approach that recognises the impact of the measures on the health, wellbeing and economic impact on people and will continue to make that view known to colleagues in government.

I am sorry not to be able to respond to each of your points, unfortunately, and as you will expect, we are extremely busy dealing with high priority cases of both those whose health is directly affected by coronavirus and those who have other urgent issues which need support.

Thank you again for taking the time to share your thoughts with Miriam.

With kind regards

Madelaine Cooper

Office of Miriam Cates MP

Is that actually the best they can do – look other people are doing this as well?

Ms Cooper,

Yes other countries around the word are taking similar approaches – you all copied each other. Locking up the population and shutting down the economy went from being literally unthinkable to what now seems to be a knee-jerk policy reaction that politicians run into whenever someone whispers that a hospital looks busy.

In actual fact, hospitals are NOT overwhelmed, infections were falling well BEFORE the last lockdown started, and all cause mortality is by no means out of usual bounds. What we have is an avalanche of “cases” coming from the flawed PCR testing, being conducted at massive scale, with an unacceptably high false positive rate. When lateral flow tests were deployed in Liverpool, supposed COVID hotspot, it found virtually no cases. Contrary to the beliefs of the Prime Minister and the “Health” Secretary, this is not a sign that testing somehow remarkably removes the virus from people. It is a sign that PCR testing hugely over-estimates the number of positive cases. PCR testing is driving children out of schools, NHS staff out of hospitals, and areas of the country into lockdown and it is quite simply not fit for purpose, and this fact has been pointed out repeatedly by scientists such as Carl Heneghan, Mike Yeardon and others, and the fact we are still relying on it is a national disgrace. Remove PCR testing and Imperial College’s disastrous modelling, and what remains? All cause mortality is broadly normal, hospital admissions and capacity are normal for the time of year, the ZOE app, ONS survey and GP survey all show a decline in COVID 19 and well before lockdown. What we are seeing is a pseudo-epidemic driven by the high false positive rate of mass PCR testing. This is an understood phenomenon that has happened several times before, but never on this scale and with such disastrous results.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html
https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/reconstruction-of-a-mass-hysteria-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-a-682613.html

There was a genuine wave in the Spring. Autumn is a ripple being amplified by PCR testing. It is time to stop it. No more lockdown, no more tiers, a return to our 2019 civil liberties. NOW.

Regards

277499 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Mel, #565 of 2297 🔗

Brilliant! Can i borrow the bit on PCR testing?

277638 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to maggie may, #566 of 2297 🔗

yes of course

277426 Ben, replying to Ben, 40, #567 of 2297 🔗

I have a mental image of Keir Starmer deliberately sinking lifeboats

Life under lockdown is not worth living and Labour is making sure life will never be worth living

And I feel sick whenever I hear the phrase ‘Stay Safe’ –

‘Stay Safe’ means: ‘Comply. Get back in your cage. Stop living and wait for death’

277431 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 11, #568 of 2297 🔗

Another one just as sick making, that people keep saying now is ‘be kind’, feel like kicking them.

277437 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #569 of 2297 🔗

Not much kindness towards dissidents on display from the police lately. Bet they’re relatively untroubled by that, of course.

277429 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #570 of 2297 🔗

Gove said the Welsh lockdown didnt work, they need to do it again.

277467 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #571 of 2297 🔗

January. It’s coming.

277473 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #572 of 2297 🔗

Just wait and see what happens in TWO MORE WEEKS.

277482 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #573 of 2297 🔗

“Didn’t work”

I’m incredulous. Sick to my stomach. Is the Government attempting to control nature or is there something else, something very sinister going on?

I have in my mind an article I read about a woman in Wales who was driven to suicide by lockdown. She threw herself off a motorway bridge. This is an attack on the people

277570 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #574 of 2297 🔗

The rain dance I did yesterday didn’t work either. I better get out there again today.

277872 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dan Clarke, #575 of 2297 🔗

It’s the same old rubbish:

“In England, lockdown worked, so let’s have more lockdown to finish the job.”

“In Wales, lockdown didn’t work, so let’s have more lockdown to finish the job.”

Can’t argue with that logic.

277439 sceptickat, replying to sceptickat, 1, #576 of 2297 🔗

I wrote to my MP after she expressed ‘disappointment’ that we are going to be Tier 2 after the lockdown, when we were Tier 1 before with hardly any ‘cases’. I live in a rural area, mainly villages.
I asked her if she was going to query why we were Tier 2, and also sent her Mike Yeadon’s document about PCR false positives. This is her reply:

Dear

Thank you for your email regarding the return of the tier system from 3 December and PCR tests.

It is my priority that we avoid another national lockdown, and it is for this reason I will be voting for the renewed tier system tonight.

I want to stress that this is not the same as voting for West Berkshire to be placed into Tier 2. It is a vote to support a reversion to a system of regional rather than national restrictions.

While the second lockdown has been effective in reducing the rate of infection locally, West Berkshire remains in similar territory to where it was just before the lockdown and the surrounding area (Reading in particular) continues to worsen. On Friday 27 th November I attended a briefing with the Chief Data Scientist from Downing Street who told me that the previous months had shown that Tier 1 restrictions in West Berkshire were not sufficient to stop the virus rising sharply and presented a significant risk to primary and secondary healthcare capacity. The latest analysis can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-health-economic-and-social-effects-of-covid-19-and-the-tiered-approach

If we start from rules strong enough to keep driving down transmission of the virus from 3 rd December, we can relax later. However, if we relax too early and then try to tighten the rules, the effect will be much more serious and could take us back into a national lockdown which none of us want.

We are in close proximity to areas where there is now a much higher incidence of the virus – particularly Slough, but also Reading and Oxford. The natural movement between these areas means that the virus can easily be spread to here and it is important to note also that we share the same NHS Trust as the rest of Berkshire.

The Prime Minister has provided assurances that he will be publishing detailed guidance on how an area can move down to Tier 1 and it is evident from our current rates that we are going to be strong candidates (once Reading and Oxford are under control). We know that the tiers will be revised every two weeks and, of course, I will continue to make the case that West Berkshire should be in Tier 1. Furthermore, it was announced this morning that further financial help will be provided to pubs in Tier 2, more details of which are expected imminently.

As I hope you know, we are now very close to the point of rolling out a vaccine. We know that both the Pfizer and Oxford University vaccines are >90% effective and the Government has already purchased sufficient stocks of both to vaccinate the whole nation. We are very close to the end of this thing now, so I am determined that we should not fall just before the finish line. I do not underestimate the enormity of the challenge we all still face through the challenging winter months. But as mass testing (which has a demonstrably positive impact in reducing coronavirus’ spread) and vaccines are rolled out over the coming weeks, the need for localised restrictions will gradually reduce and life can begin to return to normality by the spring.

277450 ▶▶ calchas, replying to sceptickat, 19, #577 of 2297 🔗

The whole ‘tiers discussion’ is a huge distraction.

The point of it is to get people arguing about which tier they are in. People who do that are implicitly accepting the structure.

Vaccines will not end anything. It has already been made clear that masks and distancing will continue.

Forget it!

Christ – what a load of drivel from your MP.

277452 ▶▶ CGL, replying to sceptickat, #578 of 2297 🔗

SNAP
I have pm’d you btw – make contact if you want to

277462 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to sceptickat, #579 of 2297 🔗

I see she studiously avoided any reference to Mike Yeadon’s PCR assessment. You could do worse than send her details of the Portuguese Appeal Court’s recent judgement on the credibility of PCR tests.

277471 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to sceptickat, 1, #580 of 2297 🔗

And I bet she’ll scream for more debt for “jobs”.

Ivor Cummins latest video basically puts a pin in the whole NPI idea. The virus does whatever the hell it does. The only thing we can do is measure it properly so we react accordingly

277440 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #581 of 2297 🔗
277501 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #582 of 2297 🔗

Placing the IFR at 1%? Seems a bit ICL to me

277881 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #583 of 2297 🔗

It IS ICL she’s linking to; the very ‘mad scientists’ she going on about.

Surely she’s aware of John Ioannidis’ IFR figures, now accepted by the WHO as the more accurate number. Why didn’t she link to that?

277568 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #584 of 2297 🔗

Professors are obsessed, often to the neglect of their families, and perhaps even their health, with fixing whatever problem is in front of them; common sense and empathy, minus zero. I reckon a lot of them are smelly, don’t eat, and are single!

My Dad was an academic scientist and he had colleagues who met this description 100%

277442 sceptickat, replying to sceptickat, 1, #586 of 2297 🔗

MP letter contd…….
In the meantime, support is available from both West Berkshire Council and the Government and further details can be found here https://info.westberks.gov.uk/article/37666/Additional-Restrictions-Grant and https://www.gov.uk/find-coronavirus-support

In relation to PCR tests and false positives, I have also read in the media claims that the vast majority of tests conducted to confirm a person’s infection with Covid-19 have provided a ‘false positive’, but I am reassured by independent analysis from the Office of National Statistics that this is not true.

Their analysis concludes that the test specificity which measures how often a test correctly recognises those who do not have the virus (so a high-test specificity would equal fewer false-positives) must be ‘very close to 100%’.

In one example, the ONS was able to conclude that even if all of their 159 positive tests from their household infection survey were false positives (which given the circulation of the virus is extremely unlikely), the end result would still be specificity of 99.92%.

As such, I am confident that the prevalence of false negatives is microscopic and claims to the contrary are misleading. Whilst I strongly support the scrutiny of methods and analysis used to form our approach to fighting this virus, it is clear that statisticians are confident that this is not an issue which is skewing our approach.

Thank you again for getting in touch.

Best wishes

277479 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to sceptickat, #587 of 2297 🔗

Is this that twassock Lynn Doherty?
Oh I see it’s your MP
She is still a twassock BTW.

277623 ▶▶ CGL, replying to sceptickat, 1, #588 of 2297 🔗

I’ve given her what for in response as none of what she said dealt with any of the concerns raised. And her saying how wonderful a vaccine will be just made me hopping mad.

277443 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 22, #589 of 2297 🔗

Politically, I’m somewhere to the right of Ghengis Kahn, (not the Mayor one), so how to email my MP who is Momentum?

Appeal to the side of him that might rebel against even Starmer?

Dear Lloyd

This is a last minute request not just to abstain tonight on the Coronavirus regulations as Kier has suggested, but to actually vote against.

Kier has been a bit slow to distance himself from the damage the Tories are doing, but I believe he is now on the right track.

Taking the Labour block out of the final tally will show just how divided the Tories are. A vote against will put even more pressure on them.

I speak as a ‘never again’, ex-Tory voter, living in a constituency that owes more to and earns more from the ‘hospitality industry’ than most.

I’m ok Jack, I’m retired, but I know very many who aren’t, including my daughter, who earns her living from sales to shipping and airlines. easyJet at Gatwick, my ex-employer, has suffered immensely as have their locally based staff.

This lot can’t manage. Help bring them down. Vote against.

Many thanks

XXXX XXXXXXX

277466 ▶▶ Mark, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #590 of 2297 🔗

Nothing wrong with that draft. Personally (my MP sits in a Labour donkey constituency) I’ve made no mention of my own politics, just focused on the two aspects you’ve also addressed – opposing the Tories (we have to use that epithet, it’s de rigeur in lefty circles, just usually with a few earthy insults tacked on) and emphasising that the primary victims of the “Tory lockdown” policies are the poorest and weakest.

In reality we are doubtless both unlikely to push them to vote against, but if they get enough letters….

Anyway, we will have done our bit for the effort.

277941 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to James Leary #KBF, #591 of 2297 🔗

Another one of the Ginger bummers ignored masses?

277453 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 30, #592 of 2297 🔗

“We still don’t have a functioning testing system…” says Starmer outlining the reasons Labour will abstain today. The problem is that we do and it’s inflated the response to CV19 beyond all proportion. The last thing we need is more testing.

277457 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jonathan Smith, #593 of 2297 🔗

Has he invested in testing kits?

277523 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #594 of 2297 🔗

A functioning test system in the sense of a system that is extremely accurate, cost effective and can instantly tell people when they are infectious, daily, so they stay at home, is a science fiction fantasy that is at least decades away (and given how governments like to abuse power, may do more harm than good). It may not be desirable as it may be that exposure to viruses, for most, is beneficial.

None of the testing advocates can explain how it would work, and nowhere has such a system.

277456 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 23, #595 of 2297 🔗

Who would have thought that the Labour party—that great reforming party of Attlee and Nye Bevan—would have become the ‘enemy of the people’ and in so doing betray everything that the party came into being to stand for. It beggars belief that we are where we are but as sure as night follows day the Labour party is in the process of committing electoral suicide.

277511 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #596 of 2297 🔗

More specifically the ‘enemy of the working people’

277461 Cbird, replying to Cbird, 5, #597 of 2297 🔗

Joint parliamentary Committee on Human Rights call for evidence on impacts of lockdown (better late than never):

https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/326/the-governments-response-to-covid19-human-rights-implications-of-long-lockdown/

277491 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cbird, #598 of 2297 🔗

Wow!

277463 swedenborg, 5, #599 of 2297 🔗

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan

There are two short videos of a Senate Hearing with Dr McCullough very forcefully stating the obvious importance of home treatment with drugs for C-19. Very interesting his comparing  India with US. Devastating. Also highlights Big Pharma attack on home and early treatment.

277474 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 3, #600 of 2297 🔗

Would Richard Parry write a piece for LS setting out the laws on protest? I am not a criminal lawyer and would like to know:
Are the police required to be present by statute or is their presence voluntary or subject to mere non-binding guidance?
Can you ask them not to attend?
If yes, and they attend contrary to your request as the organiser and they then carry out arbitrary arrests, can the police be charged with unlawful assembly, obstruction of the highway, violent disorder, harassment, as well as wrongful arrest etc?

277488 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Gladiatrix, 9, #601 of 2297 🔗

The law on protest would appear to depend on what you would like to protest about.

277512 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Gladiatrix, 1, #602 of 2297 🔗

Not a lawyer, obviously, but some of your questions can be answered without legal qualification.

Are the police required to be present by statute or is their presence voluntary or subject to mere non-binding guidance?

It’s their job to attend, to maintain public order. Any gathering of people has the potential for disorder, and especially political demonstrations. The numbers needed and tactics to be adopted are tactical questions and ultimately under political control.

Note that policing a demo need not be hostile or intrusive – just look at how the BLM and other state-approved political mobs were dealt with.

Can you ask them not to attend ?”

No, it’s a matter for the authorities to decide what is needed to guarantee maintenance of order (or whatever nefarious political objective is sought, such as suppressing dissent, in the case of the anti-lockdown demo policing). More accurately, you can ask, but they are unlikely to pay any attention to your request.

If yes, and they attend contrary to your request as the organiser and they then carry out arbitrary arrests, can the police be charged with unlawful assembly, obstruction of the highway, violent disorder, harassment, as well as wrongful arrest etc ?”

In principle, their assembly is not unlawful, nor are they obstructing etc, because they are doing their jobs. Certainly you can try to criticise individual acts, such as wrongful arrests, and that’s a matter for lawyers.

If the political authorities are behind the police use of intimidation against a particular demonstration, then it’s unlikely any wider criticisms will get anywhere, because the politicians will shut them down. It would then require popular outrage to force them to investigate, and if the social and media establishments are basically behind the political agenda then again nothing will happen.

It’s useful to understand that one of the core requirements for rank and file policemen has always been a good nose for who can safely be bullied and who has political or other “protection” and can’t safely be pushed around. In this case, they have likely been explicitly instructed to “go in hard” and they know that the hierarchy is behind them and they will suffer no more career or disciplinary consequences than perhaps a nominal slap on the wrist for any transgression, except in the most exceptional cases (deaths).

But I do agree with your main point, that a qualified and experienced lawyer’s views on all this would be interesting and useful.

277478 gipsy2222, replying to gipsy2222, 4, #603 of 2297 🔗

My mother has her annual cough. She gets it every year and without antibiotics it develops into a chest infection. She is old enough to recognise her annual cough and she has no covid symptoms. Her doctors’ surgery will not see her and will not prescribe antibiotics. They “recommend” that she dials 111 and gets a covid test. She refuses to have a covid test because she knows she does not have covid. They will not treat her until she has had a covid test.

278157 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to gipsy2222, #604 of 2297 🔗

One can (allegedly) obtain antibiotics on the interweb.

277480 mhcp, 4, #605 of 2297 🔗

Many months ago I wrote about the Santa Clause;

That for example, all houses in London would need to retile their roofs with expensive non-slip tiles so that Santa Claus and his reindeer wouldn’t slip off and cause a Health and Safety incident and also a liabilty disaster.

The point was that this can be a perfectly reasonable discussion if certain assumptions about Santa Claus (the “Clause”) can be be made. And provided assumptions follow to conclusions it can also be deemed “scientific”

Now it would be purely theoretical but still scientific.

What you wouldn’t do is apply it to the real world because the basic Clause would need to be justified.

Yet it surprises me how prescient I was.

We are actually living the Santa Clause (and not the Tim Allen movie)

277486 Ozzie, 4, #606 of 2297 🔗
277495 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #607 of 2297 🔗

As we suspected – a vaccine passport is on the way:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55143484

277526 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, #608 of 2297 🔗

Slimey. Always can say they have no plans but businesses of course will make up their own minds to be Covid secure.

277562 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #609 of 2297 🔗

An organised and very vocal boycott of such businesses is our only option.

The only lever we have left to pull in this sham of a democracy is where we spend our kopeks.

277584 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #610 of 2297 🔗

Telling 20-50% of potential customers they’re not welcome is not a sustainable business strategy!

277897 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #611 of 2297 🔗

Exactly! The whole idea is utterly ridiculous!

277893 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 2, #612 of 2297 🔗

Are we really to believe that every single business will go to the trouble of checking your vaccine status before serving you?

Bouncers and security guards at every pub, newsagent, supermarket, etc…?

Complete and utter bollocks! Totally unworkable and wouldn’t last 5 minutes IMHO.

277496 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #613 of 2297 🔗

Just published.Before the official first C-19 case in US 19 th January 1% were already seropositive one month earlier. Another interesting thing, not only in California but in all the states in the study.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472
“Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies: December 2019-January 2020 7,389 routine blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from December 13, 2019 to January 17, 2020, from donors resident in nine states (California, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin) were tested at CDC for anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies.”

“Of the 7,389 samples, 106 were reactive by pan Ig. Of these 106 specimens, 90 were available for further testing. Eighty four of 90 had neutralizing activity, 1 had S1 binding activity, and 1 had receptor binding domain / Ace2 blocking activity >50%, suggesting the presence of anti-SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies. Donations with reactivity occurred in all nine states”

277532 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #614 of 2297 🔗

At the height of the first wave in the US much of the serological testing was haulted I have read. Can’t be diverting attention from the case count now.

277550 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #615 of 2297 🔗

This was testing of spared sera. The importance of this is wide geographic spread in the US already from beginning of Dec 2019. We don’t know whether they were symptomatic or not.This would affect the investigation of the origin of the pandemic  stating the start of the pandemic earlier in the autumn. It could also be a more mild C-19 version earlier then replaced by importation of the more contagious and perhaps more serious strain from Italy.

277504 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 13, #616 of 2297 🔗

Relax, I’m from the Government, I’ve come to help.

Wonderful to see Gove grappling with the huge questions of today, ‘do two scotch eggs constitute a substantial meal’ his answer ‘no that’s a starter’. Hopefully Toby will file that on in the ‘you couldn’t make this up’ file.

Its great watching these huge intellectual colossi grapple with the biggest problems the country/we face, tomorrow on GMB Gove addresses 12,000 jobs lost at Debenhams, any ideas?

277516 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mike Collins, 8, #617 of 2297 🔗

nobody has scotch eggs for starters

277531 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mike Collins, 3, #618 of 2297 🔗

I can just imagine Plato and Aristotle being kept awake at night by that one. Are a couple of eggs a substantial meal?

277662 ▶▶▶ Stoic, replying to Waldorf, 6, #619 of 2297 🔗

One egg is un oeuf!

277904 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stoic, #620 of 2297 🔗

Boy, that’s bad. 😉

277698 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mike Collins, 1, #621 of 2297 🔗

This makes John Major’s traffic cones obsession look statesmanlike.

277506 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, #622 of 2297 🔗

Just to keep up the scaremongering & fear…
We have another “new symptom”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/new-coronavirus-symptom-doctors-warn-23094230

277513 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #623 of 2297 🔗

“Fifty-two percent of the patients (but only three per cent of the control group) reported a constant sensation of having had a strong nasal douche.”

Well, I have obviously missed out in life. As far as I know I have never had a ‘nasal douche’ and therefore will struggle to identify this crucial warning sign. Can anyone help me out?

277693 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #624 of 2297 🔗

It comes from doing handstands in the shower.

277912 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #625 of 2297 🔗

Do they mean an “itchy, runny nose”? (I am not a doctor 😉 )

To gather the data, researchers surveyed 35 Covid-19 patients about their symptoms.

The results revealed that more than 68 per cent reported at least one nasal symptom, including excessive dryness, and a continual sensation of having had a ‘nasal douche.’

68% of 35 people agreed. It’s like those face cream ads you see on the telly!

277609 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #626 of 2297 🔗

Can you imagine trying to convince your GP of that symptom pre-covid?!

277509 Charlie Blue, #627 of 2297 🔗

Just in case anyone else wasn’t already aware of this, I just spotted this list of the CRG steering group on DT comments. Not sure where that info came from.
Adam Afriyie
Steve Baker
Harriett Baldwin
Graham Brady
Steve Brine
Nus Ghani
Chris Green
Mark Harper
Philip Hollobone
Ben Spencer
Philippa Stroud
Robert Syms
William Wragg

277510 Jimbo, replying to Jimbo, 3, #628 of 2297 🔗

I’ve just heard (on Classic FM) a coronavirus government ad (stay alert, control the virus etc.) introducing advice from “Dr Gupta”. This is not the Dr Gupta of the GBD (totally different voice) but I can’t help wondering if the government is using her good name to help spread their word.

278845 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Jimbo, #629 of 2297 🔗

That’s exactly what I thought when I heard it on LBC. Of all the doctors huh? These coincidences know no bounds.

277518 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #630 of 2297 🔗

The Slime Miester

277647 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Two-Six, 12, #631 of 2297 🔗

Just listened to to the car crash interview Gove gave Julia Hartley Brewer this morning. What a lying weasel that man is. She had him tied in knots and he just lied and lied. He said infections were doubling every fifteen days. Julia pointed out that she had the numbers in front of her from the ONS site and they were no where near doubling. She asked him where he he got the doubling infections data from. He said the ONS site!!!! You couldn’t make this shite up; ;well Gove is. Then, he told blatant lies about Sweden about their death rate and that they had implemented harsh laws. He couldn’t help himself but lie, lie and then lie some more. The real kicker is when Julia asked him how the virus could tell that you were sitting at a table with only a pint and not a meal. He then came out with the biggest pile of shite I’ve ever heard. He said because it stops people mingling! What, you can’t fucking mingle you lying fucktard. The only time you can move from the table is to have a piss. God I hate that man.

277689 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #632 of 2297 🔗

Unless there’s a coup, I’m thinking Gove’s career prospects are zero. Perhaps even then.

277970 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bugle, 1, #633 of 2297 🔗

You sure, B?

Gove is supposed to be Dom’s mate; Gove fell out with Cameron over Brexit; Gove previously said that Bojo was not PM material and stabbed him in the back (so why is he PM material now?).

Dom is gone; Brexit at the end-game stage; New Year, Boris no longer required (some believe he was only chosen to get Brexit through).

In steps Gove! He’s definitely on manoeuvres.

277923 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #634 of 2297 🔗

Julia pointed out that she had the numbers in front of her from the ONS site and they were no where near doubling. She asked him where he he got the doubling infections data from. He said the ONS site!!!!

You have to admit that’s brilliant. The slimebag has NO shame whatsoever!

277519 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #635 of 2297 🔗

I suggest we should consider what we want when the war is over

How do we want the peace to look?

Here are a few proposals

1 The Conservative and Labour Parties should be banned as the Nazi Party was banned in 1945

2 Trials along the lines of Nuremberg for those who took part in the British Holocaust

3 No member of a political party should be allowed to stand as a candidate in an election. Only individuals standing on their own merits should be allowed to stand. Only then will we have true democracy

4 Fundamental reform of the police. The current Commissioner should be dealt with under (2). Disbanding of the TSG and their provincial equivalents. The banning of long batons, CS and all the other paraphernalia of a para military force

5 It would be a criminal offence to deny that the British Holocaust occurred

6 The State Broadcasting Organisation should be dismantled

7 Compulsory re education for the minor officials who acted under orders during the dictatorship

277520 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cecil B, 6, #636 of 2297 🔗

Halve the number of MPs.

277527 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to bluemoon, 2, #637 of 2297 🔗

I understand the arguments for fewer MPs, my problem with it is that fewer MPs means bigger constituencies and even less personal input into campaigns.

I think I’d rather have smaller constituencies and tight controls on political party organisations, to try to push people towards voting on genuine personal assessments of the candidates.

277533 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 2, #638 of 2297 🔗

Ban political parties, as Cecil proposes

277545 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #639 of 2297 🔗

I’m very sympathetic to that position. Parties are a large part of the problem, clearly.

277542 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mark, 2, #640 of 2297 🔗

Yes I get that, but would point out that for many years our political system has ignored ‘personal input’.
All MPs appear to have personal agendas, to the detriment of their constituencies.

277552 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to bluemoon, #641 of 2297 🔗

But it’s not the personal agendas in themselves that seem to be the real problem, but rather the party agendas and their imposition via party discipline. That also means the personal agendas of a few at the top of the party hierarchies can be imposed on the country.

277566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mark, #642 of 2297 🔗

I don’t know why I’m discussing politics! – I have never voted – sheet of bronco and all that – except in the two recent referendums. So in IMV I have no right to comment on the activities of MPs. Or on whichever party is in power.
However I voted for proportional representation to be introduced for two reasons. First it was the best chance at the time to break the stranglehold of the 2/3 party system. Secondly my hope was that our MPs would be so busy in-fighting that they wouldn’t have the time to keep tinkering with our lives.

278408 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mark, 1, #643 of 2297 🔗

The major influence on the next GE is that there are boundary changes planned which will increase the number of Tory Seats by 35, reduce Labour’s by the same amount and I believe something like 3 Lib Dem seats. Unless the public has a radical change of political thinking we are, effectively, living in a one party state.

278632 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Dominich -, #644 of 2297 🔗

I think there will be at least one new party on the right that will challenge the “Conservatives” in all their seats, at the least tipping some of them to Labour or LibDem, if not threatening to actually win seats.

277599 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to bluemoon, #645 of 2297 🔗

How will that help?

277643 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, #646 of 2297 🔗

It won’t. It will just lead to even more horse trading behind closed doors.

278096 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to bluemoon, #647 of 2297 🔗

Halve the MPs.

277563 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Cecil B, 8, #648 of 2297 🔗

A free unicorn for everybody, Premiership salary to be maxed out at £40 K P/A, and other fairytale things..Because please, please, please for the last fucking time. WE ARE NOT WINNING THIS IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM!! have you all lots your mind collectively ? Have I missed the drinking of the Cool aid while I was in the bathroom!!? They are doing whatever they want with impunity, nobody is there to put any bit of resistance. I will believe that the tide is turning when I attend a million man march on London with some super high profile people in the front row, demanding our freedom back. Until then , this is all academic. The comments on this site somedays make me even angrier than the actions of our Party Overloads because people here should now better.

277628 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #649 of 2297 🔗

We may not be winning but the tide is turning. Way more sceptic voices now being heard than in March.

278109 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, #650 of 2297 🔗

Yep, Julian is right. The resistance’s main task at present is convincing/converting/healing those who still believe the bollocks. Not academic imho, but a necessary forerunner to fixing things.

277612 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, 2, #651 of 2297 🔗

Very authoritarian.

Flags are phrases – popular with the Johnson regime – such as:

“should be banned”

“should be allowed”

and worst of all

“compulsory re-education”

Replacing the Johnson dictatorship with another dictatorship is not my idea of freedom.

Genuine freedom is difficult because you have also to “free” those you disagree with.

I agree that the TSG should be dismantled.

277633 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 5, #652 of 2297 🔗

I think the most important thing, in some ways the only important thing, that probably won’t happen, is for the true extent of the hysteria and deception to be exposed and understood by the general public, who will remember it for generations.

Ultimately while institutions failed us, it was the gullibility of the masses that enabled it.

278112 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #653 of 2297 🔗

Tide is turning, remember, Julian. 🙂 ‘Mighty above all things’, etc.

277521 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 8, #654 of 2297 🔗

I’m a bit sad that Dr Scott Atlas is leaving the White House. The glee from the media about his departure is sickening.

277524 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Caramel, 2, #655 of 2297 🔗

A big blow.

277605 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #656 of 2297 🔗

Did you see the twat Biden has on his team. That moron who was doing Instagram stuff about how great masks are and lockdown facts to show how they are working. He was a professor or doctor at a red brick uni so great credentials. Millions of viewers and followers. It was then discovered he was a total fake and the red brick uni stopped him using the affiliation because he was just a test tube cleaner not a research scientist.

278311 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Spikedee1, #657 of 2297 🔗

Offer him a job at a “Lighthouse Lab”, they could use a test tube cleaner.

277624 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caramel, 7, #658 of 2297 🔗

This is one reason why I don’t understand why any sceptic would have been neutral or preferred a Biden win. Trump was so obviously the better candidate to advance the sceptic cause.

277525 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #659 of 2297 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/killing-future-covid-madness-will-lead-half-million-fewer-us-births-2021

Already record low birth rates will be pushed even lower.

Not just in the US.

277759 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to calchas, #660 of 2297 🔗

I agree. We wouldn’t have had our 2nd had covid come along before we got pregnant.

277530 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 15, #661 of 2297 🔗

Just sent my email a reminder of my feelings towards her and Her Majesty’s “Opposition”

Dear Ms Dodds

In today’s crucial vote, the outcome will decide the fate of hundreds of jobs in your constituency.

I sent you the NHS weekly deaths table early this week. By now, you should have had the opportunity to read it and you will note that the Government’s lockdowns and tiers are totally disproportionate to the vast majority of people. For brevity, the average age of death is 82 years and 4 months and only 1723 people with no pre-existing conditions (of whom 661 were 80+) have died from/with Covid-19.

It is beyond belief that on the biggest issue this country has faced in a generation, the Labour party intends to abstain and so play pathetic party politics when people’s lives, livelihoods and liberties are at stake.

You must vote against the proposals today or it will be your job that is on the line. You were elected to represent the people of Oxford East. If you fail us, we will not forget this and I will take an active part in campaigning against your dreadful party.

Yours sincerely

278052 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #662 of 2297 🔗

‘Her Majesty’s opposition’. Prince Charles is pushing the Great Reset. There’s photos of him chortling with Klaus Schwab. It really is ‘Her Majesty’s opposition’

278405 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #663 of 2297 🔗

Great letter. Annaliese Dodds is more right wing than the Tories I think you’ll find. She’s a Stalin Starmer stooge for sure. I hope you can organise enough people in Oxford East to vote her out at the next elections (yes I’m still hopeful).

277534 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #664 of 2297 🔗

My friend Matt has been emailing me again; me being what they call “clinically
extremely vulnerable”. Included in his tome is an offer of free vitamin D; you know, that stuff he said was no good for Covid.

So why are you now giving it away free, Matt?

Vitamin D supplements

During the autumn and winter months everyone is advised to take a supplement of vitamin D every day to support general health and in particular for bone and muscle health. Many of us have been indoors more than usual this year and so might not have been making enough vitamin D from sunlight. You can find general advice on vitamin D here: https://www.nhs.uk/vitamin-d

This advice is particularly important for people who have been shielding this year due to COVID-19, or who are living in care homes, because they are most likely to have been indoors over the spring and summer and so may not have been able to obtain enough vitamin D from sunlight.

The Government is offering a free 4-month supply of daily supplements of vitamin D for all adults who are clinically extremely vulnerable to support general health and in particular for bone and muscle health. If you would like to opt-in to receive your free supply of vitamin D, you will need register your details between 30 November 2020 and 4 January 2021 at the following link: https://www.nhs.uk/get-vitamin-d

You do not need to opt-in to receive the vitamin D supplements if:

We expect to start distributing the vitamin D supplements from January 2021. Further guidance on how to safely take vitamin D supplements will be provided during the opt in process.

I know it has been really hard for you during the pandemic and appreciate the sacrifices that you have made. We will continue to support you in your efforts to keep yourself and others safe.

Yours sincerely,

MATT HANCOCK

I love the signature being in capitals; obviously, us clinically extremely vulnerable are blind.

I also noted the phrase: “ the sacrifices that you have made “. Matt, one volunteers for sacrifices; one is NOT oredered to.

277557 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Ceriain, 2, #665 of 2297 🔗

As you would expect, though, dear old Matt hasn’t even got this one right. The dose that they are giving out under this scheme is 10mcg (40iu) which is below the generally recommended daily dose of 25mcg (100iu)

277603 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #666 of 2297 🔗

“Many of us have been indoors more than usual this year…”

Hmm I wonder why? Wouldn’t be anything to do with you, the Health Secretary, forbidding us from leaving our houses for half the year would it? And terrifying the vulnerable into thinking that even an open window admitting a gentle summer breeze would be deadly at ten paces?

If he could, he would blame the public for not getting enough sunlight and vitamin D over the summer. “Because you’ve all been so silly, we’re now having to pay out to give you free supplements.” He’s stopped short of saying it, but the implication is there.

277720 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ceriain, 2, #667 of 2297 🔗

This government have put me off putting my name to anything, you go on a data base..

277987 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #668 of 2297 🔗

I’ve already had several rows with my GP over this. I explicitly told them I was NOT to be added to any national database, when the option was offered to me. Looks like another visit is required.

278396 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, 1, #669 of 2297 🔗

I wonder, is Hancock aware of the longitudinal 7 year study conducted by the BMC about vitamin supplements. What it found (and confirmed in a subsequent longitudinal study) was that vitamin supplements do not, and I have to repeat not, add one single vitamin to your body. That is because, your body identifies as a chemical agent, rejects it and therefore does not absorb it. People need to look for natural sources of Vitamin D.

277536 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 10, #670 of 2297 🔗

Our first Christmas card arrived today from an elderly (and well educated) friend, whom we rarely see these days.
On the back of the envelope he had written: “Sanitise and wash hands”
I fear for his “sanit-y

277593 ▶▶ John P, replying to Margaret, 2, #671 of 2297 🔗

Well educated but not well informed.

277600 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Margaret, 3, #672 of 2297 🔗

I got one yesterday from an elderly friend of 83, she used to be a nurse, and loves to tell about her link to celebrity, working with Denise Robertson from the telly, but she put ‘hope all are well with all of the nonsense going on’.

277669 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Margaret, 6, #673 of 2297 🔗

Send a video of you setting fire to it, unopened, with a short commentary, ‘It’s the only way to be sure…..’

277539 Danny, replying to Danny, 38, #674 of 2297 🔗

An anxious mother outside my daughter’s school the other day remarked with no little pride that she has “solved” the dilemma of Christmas in her house this year. Apparently her kid was “very worried” about the thought of Santa coming into her house and either getting or spreading the Rona. So the solution is that they will leave out the usual milk and cookies for him, along with a lovely new face mask.
I realise this sounds like a Carl Vernon sketch but it is true. The lady was highly pleased with her solution, as was her terrified child, and the few people that I was standing near at the gate thought so too. Suffice to say, it was one of those moments where I either had to walk away or explode. Perhaps regrettably, I walked.

277581 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Danny, 7, #675 of 2297 🔗

Absolutely mental.

277590 ▶▶ John P, replying to Danny, 7, #676 of 2297 🔗

I think you made the right call. You can’t reason with these people.

277780 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to John P, 2, #677 of 2297 🔗

Just tell them they are fucking mental idiots. Twats.

277592 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Danny, 3, #678 of 2297 🔗

Wow. Insane.

277607 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Danny, 8, #679 of 2297 🔗

Something that has served me well for a long time – where you would get angry, burst out laughing. School yourself to see the hilarious in every situation – this one, for example, sounds pretty funny. And her, all puffed up with pride too! Lol!

Trust me, fits of laughter are so much more effective than anger. Try it. You’ll like it. Even if you have to fake it to begin with – you will actually change the way your brain works.

A Greek philosopher was remarked to have been unable to leave his house without laughing constantly at man’s predicament. I think he was probably wiser than most.

I’m grateful to a former colleague for teaching me this way – which was not actually an affectation on his part. The reaction of utter shame from Directors and Project Managers to this junior staff member’s fits of laughter over their shoddy ideas was priceless. And it’s fun, too. 🙂
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277619 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #680 of 2297 🔗

great post! I’m going to try this.

277875 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dickyboy, 3, #681 of 2297 🔗

Great approach.

277630 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to G.Fawkes, 12, #682 of 2297 🔗

Will give it a go, although given this conversation outside the school gate was pretty much the norm these days, I think I’m gonna be laughing a lot, running the risk of looking deeply unhinged 24 hours a day. Still, upside is, I will very quickly be left well alone by these zealots.

277639 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Danny, 3, #683 of 2297 🔗

Does the lion care for the opinion of sheep? 🙂 Besides, it’s for their own good!

277626 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Danny, 2, #684 of 2297 🔗

Mate this is hard. Stupidity of this level has no rational argument it will only end up in a shouting match. It’s not your fault this is a SAGE, BBC promotion. My wife gives me that look, you know the “shut up and let it go!!”

277677 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Danny, 1, #685 of 2297 🔗

Milk for Santa? No wonder we are where we are.

277808 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Danny, #686 of 2297 🔗

I take it she will be sanitising all the presents left by Santa.

277544 Stuart, replying to Stuart, #687 of 2297 🔗

Thatcher once said there is no such thing as society and Boris has been given the tools to finish the job.

277561 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Stuart, 11, #688 of 2297 🔗

Thatcher once said there is no such thing as society

Just because a lie is repeated so often that it becomes assumed truth amongst obsessives doesn’t make it any less a lie.

For what it’s worth, it’s extremely unlikely Thatcher would have fallen for this panic nonsense, and it’s certain that Corbyn or any other senior Labour Party figure would have panicked harder, faster and more hysterically, based on their own words.

So, assuming from your words that you are an old lefty, why not try to get your own house in order so there’s actually a viable alternative to your hated “Tories”? And by the way, getting over your obsessive fixation on one Prime Minister decades ago would help you to base your ideas in reality rather than fantasy.

277578 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 9, #689 of 2297 🔗

She said, and I quote, “There is no such thing as ‘society’ – there are individual men and women and there are families.” Nobody ever quotes the second bit.

277586 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #690 of 2297 🔗

You just did. Thanks.

277589 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #691 of 2297 🔗

Exactly. Doesn’t fit the lazy narrative of Mrs Thatcher being evil personified though, does it.

277614 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #692 of 2297 🔗

Off topic but I always took her as meaning that everything starts with each human being taking responsibility for their own actions and decisions, as opposed to relying on “society” to solve your problems, or blaming “society” for them. Whatever you think of her, I don’t think it’s credible to think she didn’t believe that there was such a thing as society as the collective product of individual actions and opinions.

I took it to mean, get your own personal house in order, control what you can control, and only then worry about what everyone else is doing. Seems like pretty obvious sound advice likely to lead to increased personal happiness, whatever your politics.

277632 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Julian, #693 of 2297 🔗

I am absolutely sure you’re right. Rhetorically, she often quickly dismissed the lazy assumption in the first sentence and then delivered what she meant instead in the second.

277631 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #694 of 2297 🔗

Amazing – I just mentioned this quote this morning to my Chinese students when talking about Thatcher’s role in politics! I did actually include the second bit, trying to display the context (which most people don’t do).

277646 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tom in Scotland, #695 of 2297 🔗

Ah, synchronicity! Tom, I like you more and more! Perhaps the tide is turning.

277721 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #696 of 2297 🔗

Thanks! It’s strange to teach Chinese students about democratic, multiparty politics. The sad thing is that we are becoming more and more like China when it comes to our political and personal freedom.

277653 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #697 of 2297 🔗

Indeed. It’s a lie by omission and misrepresentation, and always was.

277676 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #698 of 2297 🔗

The second bit is the common sense which is why the whole quote is never used by the left.

277587 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Mark, 3, #699 of 2297 🔗

We don’t know what Corbyn would have done. Despite his flaws I seriously doubt Corbyn would have destroyed peoples lives like Boris and his crew have done.

277608 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to chaos, 1, #700 of 2297 🔗

Seumas (sic) Milne would have seen the revolutionary opportunity, from the comfort of his leafy mansion.

277665 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to chaos, #701 of 2297 🔗

Obviously you are correct that we can’t know the counterfactual for certain. But given Corbyn’s full agreement with the early criticism of the government for not locking down hard and soon enough and his joining in with the childish hysteria about “putting money ahead of lives” and herd immunity being “eugenics” (he actually used that term, the plonker), I don’t think there’s any realistic case that he would not have been a full on panicker.

And apart from anything else, he’d only limited control of his own party, and that’s chock full of hysterical panicking juveniles, on covid.

277799 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark, #702 of 2297 🔗

Perhaps Piers would have schooled him.

277946 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #703 of 2297 🔗

Doesn’t seem to have managed that even now, when Jeremy’s a powerless outsider No chance he would have when he would have been a decision maker and surrounded by motivated persuaders pushing him in the panic direction.

277703 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to chaos, 3, #704 of 2297 🔗

But where is the support for his own brother ?

where is the speaking up and mobilising his youthful supporters against the encroaching tyranny?

He’s just another closet marxist thinking the longed for revolution is upon us.

277598 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Mark, 5, #705 of 2297 🔗

I also am pretty certain Mrs T wouldn’t have been bamboozled by the fake science and dodgy statistics of the Two Stooges and their pals on SAGE. Denis would have kept her on the right path whereas Princess Nut Nuts…well you know the rest!

277722 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to DocRC, 1, #706 of 2297 🔗

It was a different era. Those politicians, on all sides wouldn’t have gone along with this nonsense. Ditto the scientific/medical community.

The politicians are all identikit now ditto academia etc , the results of careful planning and manipulation by the globalist agenda over many years.

The pieces are all in place , that’s why these events are happening now.

277802 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DocRC, #707 of 2297 🔗

She had a degree in a scientific subject, didn’t she.

277949 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DocRC, #708 of 2297 🔗

Yep, my opinion as well.

279007 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #709 of 2297 🔗

Hi Mark I recently read Mrs Thatcher’s last book ‘Stateside’ and she puts that quote in context and said she did not regret it. Apparently it was said on ‘Woman’s Hour’ on R4. I must admit after reading her explanation I agreed with what she said.

279286 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Borisbullshit, #710 of 2297 🔗

I remember the issue at the time, and yes, what she said was perfectly reasonable The left intentionally misrepresented it at the time, and has been obsessively doing so since, for over 30 years now.

A remarkable tribute to the utter pasting she handed out to their gross stupidity of the 1970s and before, which many of them have been unable to move beyond.

Rather ironic that they have been so obsessed with their one major defeat – on trade union power and state ownership of business – that they’ve been completely unable to enjoy the endless victories they’ve had since, bringing us to the point we are at today with the country being transformed for the worse day by day and our elites shamefully taking the knee and kowtowing to leftist mobs.

A bitter joke, of sorts.

277621 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Stuart, 1, #711 of 2297 🔗

as a socialist clown you’ve not understand that it’s the very opposite of what you think. Boris has forced society right up my fucking ass harder than any socialist wet dream.

277671 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Biker, 2, #712 of 2297 🔗

Yep. “We’re all in this together. Put your mask on, it’s not for you, it’s for everyone else.” The entire message is purer socialism than Benn could have dreamt of. Happily, it’s like Rock Paper Scissors. Socialism crushes imagination. Imagination subverts reality. Reality eats socialism.

277788 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #713 of 2297 🔗

Socialism crushes imagination. Imagination subverts reality. Reality eats socialism.

Nice.

277551 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 17, #714 of 2297 🔗

I think we are seeing some movement in the Labour ranks, particularly in the North. There is a split between the middle class, public sector union lockdown obsessives and those MPs who are listening to their working class constituents. I can hear a creaking as tectonic plates begin to shift. Speaking off message is now forbidden in Labour, so we might not hear much, but I suspect that the PLP meeting last night was tetchy!

I have been trained to vaccinate sheep. Perhaps I should volunteer. At least you don’t have to trap humans between your legs while you do it – or don’t you?!

277569 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #715 of 2297 🔗

“ At least you don’t have to trap humans between your legs while you do it – or don’t you?!” I believe it’s left very much up to the conscience of the individual churchgoer.

277580 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -3, #716 of 2297 🔗

What’s with the dig at Christians?

277629 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, 2, #717 of 2297 🔗

Sorry, it wasn’t a dig at Christmas. It was a joke about trapping people between your legs and whether it’s permitted or not.

277773 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, #718 of 2297 🔗

Other religions do go to church, John.

277591 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #719 of 2297 🔗

I do not know which fills me with the greater dread: being vaccinated by a lay person, or of being trapped between your legs while you work.

Hat tip: Nicholas Fairbairn, MP.

277554 davews, replying to davews, #720 of 2297 🔗

Like many of you I have just received a response from the Government petition against a second lockdown. Very predictable response and they waited until the lockdown was over before responding.

The Government introduced new measures in England on 5 November to protect the NHS and reduce the growth in hospitalisations and deaths. Similar steps were taken in other parts of the UK.

The UK Government has tried every possible option to get the virus under control at a local level, with strong local action and strong local leadership. We realise that we must balance the measures we introduce against the long term scars they leave, whether for businesses and jobs, or our physical and mental health. Faced with the data on hospitalisations and death presented by the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser at the press conference on 31 October, there was no alternative but to take further action at a national level in England. These steps taken in England match other steps taken by the devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

277576 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to davews, 1, #721 of 2297 🔗

“we must balance the measures we introduce against the long term scars they leave”

after Klaus Swabb’s “deep cuts”

277701 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to davews, 1, #722 of 2297 🔗

”… get the virus under control….” There we are again. They know FULL WELL that a virus cannot be got ”under control” any more than the weather can.

So – they are well aware that they are lying.

277560 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #723 of 2297 🔗

The exception 14 of the new legislation to be voted on allows for political protest? So no more repeat of Saturday and those worried about arrest can now come out in numbers

277574 ▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -1, #724 of 2297 🔗

I think it’s 13, but I would expect that there is a catch.

277604 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, #725 of 2297 🔗

The wording mentioned something about appropriate precautions – not sure exactly what that would be. Social distancing?

277846 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, #726 of 2297 🔗

yes – that is the reason why people get arrested now . they are not masked nor distanced and so are breaching the guidelines. Also they are not organised by a specified permitted body.
to be allowed the protest must be masked, distanced and organised by the National Trust .

277615 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 1, #727 of 2297 🔗

It’s both 13 and 14, it’s in there three times in total:

Exception 14: protests (20)Exception 14 is that the gathering is for the purposes of protest and—

(a)it has been organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body or a political body, and

(b)the gathering organiser takes the required precautions in relation to the gathering.

277663 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to leggy, 3, #728 of 2297 🔗

So public bodies can protest but not the public.

277668 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to leggy, 1, #729 of 2297 🔗

just stick a bottle of hand sanitizer in the middle … sufficient precautions.

277995 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to leggy, 1, #730 of 2297 🔗

That (a) is extraordinary. “Organised” what does that even mean? Could everyone attending download something saying ‘this has been organised by (ficticous organisation)’

277573 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #731 of 2297 🔗

Any members of the press want to request a copy of Simon Dolan’s judgement?

This judgment will be handed down remotely by circulation to the parties or their representatives by email, release to BAILII and publication on the Courts and Tribunals Judiciary website. The date and time for hand-down will be deemed to be MONDAY, 1 DECEMBER, 2020 at 2 O’clock. A copy of the judgment in final form as handed down should be available on the Judiciary website (www.judiciary.uk) or BAILII shortly thereafter but can otherwise be obtained on request by email to the Judicial Office (press.enquiries@judiciary.uk)

277579 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, #732 of 2297 🔗

Is that Tuesday

277585 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dan Clarke, #733 of 2297 🔗

Yes

277611 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #734 of 2297 🔗

Yep, should be Tues. Is anyone going to take the plunge and ask?

That said, don’t know why I’m getting excited. I love the smell of establishment stitch-up in the morning!

277596 concrete68, replying to concrete68, 15, #735 of 2297 🔗

There have been a few comments on here recently about the police and policing where the response of erstwhile law abiding “citizens” has been disbelief etc. I can fairly confidently assure you that the police have always been thus, it’s just that now you find yourself on the receiving end of their heavy handed stupidity. They are not and have never been there to protect you, they are there to do the governments bidding. Like most things in Britain they do not do so directly but covertly, checking which way the wind blows and responding appropriately so that primarily their own interests are protected. From striking miners to large sections of young black Britain harassment is a feature of policing. The videos of illegal arrests and the stories of heavy handed policing of protests are commonplace and not a function; of covid, they are normal policing for sections of society. Now you are experiencing what many have before. I’m afraid you might not like it but this is where anti lockdown and BLM might merge. Defunding the police and starting again with a clear analysis of what we might want from it instead of a Robert Peel force that intervenes in public order issues but can’t deal with street crime or internet scams.

277606 ▶▶ calchas, replying to concrete68, 9, #736 of 2297 🔗

All of our institutions have invested so much in this narrative, that when it generally loses public credibility, then they will lose public credibility with it.

There are two kinds of protests: those which are backed by the authorities and those are opposed by the authorities.

The police are in effect the accomplices of BLM and XR.

277667 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 3, #737 of 2297 🔗

Having watched the police treatment of similar sized BLM and anti-lockdown protests on the same day, I was staggered by the contrast. BLM looked like highly organised controlled opposition, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the establishment are involve in the movement at high levels via the secret services. Any genuine threat to establishment authority is crushed as we have found out.

The Met police even openly support BLM – wouldn’t be surprised if they have a Met BLM members branch in the future.

277685 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, 2, #738 of 2297 🔗

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the establishment are involve in the movement at high levels via the secret services. (BLM)

I’d be very surprised if they’re not involved. What do you think MI5 do all day, apart from monitoring the people ?

277752 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JohnB, 2, #739 of 2297 🔗

It’s not great that billions of pounds and thousands of people are employed just to keep the existing power structure in place. I find it quite chilling that MI5 feel the need to monitor and infiltrate any movement that could make the country a more free and prosperous place.

277830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Darryl, #740 of 2297 🔗

Yes it is chilling, chilling to one day wake up and discover the country you thought you knew didn’t exist, perhaps it never did.

277768 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Darryl, 1, #741 of 2297 🔗

BLM funded by Soros.

277824 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Darryl, #742 of 2297 🔗

Antifa is certainly government funded so I wouldn’t be surprised to discover them to be part of a government agency!

277641 ▶▶ Mark, replying to concrete68, 8, #743 of 2297 🔗

Much truth in what you write, of course, and I’ve made similar points myself, but the crucial difference is that police “harassment” of youth (including black youth) is generally a matter of law and order, and reasonably legitimate in that, though inevitably in the real world there are occasional abuses. You will not create some kind of paradise in which authority’s representatives never abuse their power by rebuilding the police, you will just create a more convenient tool for political abuse, which seems to be the objective in Democrat-controlled cities in the US. The simple truth is that youths tend to be disrespectful and aggressive towards people who try to make them follow the rules.

As with the BLM lies about the US, where they ignore the inconvenient truth that blacks tend to be affected more by police shootings because they are more likely to be involved in violent and aggressive crime (you can argue about the roots of that, whether it’s deprivation, cultural or racial – or you could if dissent were not illegal on some of those issues, but the statistics are stark and clear).

The reality is that the harassment of the lockdown protesters was egregious even accounting for the normal political control of policing, because it was entirely indefensible, and rationalised solely based on a transparent lie – that there is some kind of apocalyptic disease around that necessitates such crushing of political activity (but not BLM-style approved political activity).

277651 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to concrete68, 8, #744 of 2297 🔗

I had been in complete denial having had no contact or dealings with the police until this year. Now I have absolutely no doubt that their only function is to keep order for the political and business elite. Never realised the way police infiltrated movements and instigated violence and the media cover up for them, the system is a complete sham. Looking back at history I see how other groups were harshly treated by police and crushed entirely fo political reasons.

Defunding the police and starting again is one of the few BLM policies I would support, the institution is morally corrupt from top to bottom, it isn’t just at senior level.

277673 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, 2, #745 of 2297 🔗

Nothing that a couple of strategic executions can’t sort out.

277739 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #746 of 2297 🔗

Cut the heads off the snake

277652 ▶▶ Ben, replying to concrete68, 5, #747 of 2297 🔗

The police helped me in my youth when I was burgled and also with a violent dog incident. The coppers seemed to want to catch the bad guy, and I’m grateful to them. People need protecting from crime, especially the poor who can’t afford to live in gated communities

Defunding the police is the worst idea. I don’t want privatatised police patrolling the streets, especially run by controversial companies such as G4S. Right now I’m afraid of the NHS – even though good people work within it, and I’m afraid of the police – even though I’m sure decent police men and women work within it. The paper trail leads back to who’s giving the orders

A minority sadly, but there are police officers who’ve spoken out against lockdown in Canada, Australia and Europe. A German police officer spoke out at an anti-lockdown demonstration (Michael Fritsch I think?)

If BLM, Extinction Rebellion and anti-lockdown protestors merged it would be amazing, but the media is successfully stoking divide and rule

277704 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 1, #748 of 2297 🔗

I don’t want privatatised police patrolling the streets, especially run by controversial companies such as G4S”

The dream of the left (which I think would include concrete68 above – I do not say that with pejorative intent, merely descriptive) is of some kind of politically correct militia that would police things perfectly and according to their personal ideas of right and wrong. Reality, as always, is unlikely to live up to their dreams. And in reality, if the police were to be “defunded” and replaced, it would most likely be what you describe there.

They should be careful what they wish for.

“If BLM, Extinction Rebellion and anti-lockdown protestors merged it would be amazing, but the media is successfully stoking divide and rule

BLM and XR are authorised political mobs designed to intimidate dissenters from the establishment orthodoxy – that’s why they are allowed to flout the laws and are policed so lightly. They are the polar opposite of anti-lockdowners, who are genuine dissidents from establishment orthodoxy. Hence why they are harassed under the cover of “policing”.

“A minority sadly, but there are police officers who’ve spoken out against lockdown in Canada, Australia and Europe. A German police officer spoke out at an anti-lockdown demonstration (Michael Fritsch I think?)”

To cheer you up, here’s a picture of police in Valencia protesting for liberty:

https://nachrichten.es/video-die-polizei-demonstriert-in-valencia-fuer-die-freiheit-und-gegen-das-tragen-von-masken/?fbclid=IwAR0qHcksfeEJTRIOg3ZVJNvLzbF6jn9BcP-rdHm0JDJudJblrKQQ7aX9UcI

277724 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 4, #749 of 2297 🔗

‘Defunding the Police’ is a barmy notion at all levels, from the practical to the theoretical.

It answers no questions and is the equivalent of a badly-spelled carboard placard that addresses nothing in the real world or helps to get us out of the state we’re in.

… especially when there’s a sizeable proportion who actually quite like being locked up by gangs in uniform.

277837 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Ben, #750 of 2297 🔗

the police helped you in your youth? You must be an old man then. We havent had a police force that wanted to catch the bad guy for years. And they helped you when you burgled? . Today they phone you with a crime number so you can claim on insurance

277692 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to concrete68, #751 of 2297 🔗

The next demo should be bait. With a bigger demo hitting Scotland Yard and taking over Cressida dickless role.
Yelping MPs when the police aren’t there to protect them

277754 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to concrete68, #752 of 2297 🔗

I grew up with the RUC. I’ve seen enough heavy handed policing

277764 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to concrete68, #753 of 2297 🔗

Train to be a Common Law constable.

277778 ▶▶ Josephine K, replying to concrete68, 1, #754 of 2297 🔗

I agree nothing new here…I was threatened with arrest for crossing the road during an anti nuclear protest in Bradford in the early 1970s…..all perfectly peaceful….they only left me alone in the end because I had my six month old son in a baby carrier and a photographer caught sight of what was happening

277613 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #755 of 2297 🔗

I’m sure this will be reposted throughout the day but JHB is on fire here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcpYUiZZHC0&feature=youtu.be

£1,000k this man was paid this year!

277636 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #756 of 2297 🔗

What a bumbling idiot Colonel Bob is… The insipid pleading is an embarrassment.

277645 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #757 of 2297 🔗

Yeah – she was pretty good.

277675 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #758 of 2297 🔗

Colonel Bob: I had a word with Boris and he told me that the experts, Vallance, Whitty and SAGE, had told him we have to do it.

JHB: What about the evidence?

Colonel Bob: Boris told me and I believe him.

277761 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #759 of 2297 🔗

I couldn’t listen to it, he’s mental and clearly completely incapable of thinking for himself. It’s the way he brushes off the concerns about how the evidence doesn’t back up Doris’s viewpoint.

277827 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #760 of 2297 🔗

the man is a complete dick . assume he is no longer a serving officer so keeps his title to make himself sound important .
reminds me of Major Gowan except probably a little less in touch with reality as the Major

277831 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, #761 of 2297 🔗

Good spot. Gown/Blimp/Bogey/Sanders ?

277618 Inlakesh, replying to Inlakesh, 12, #762 of 2297 🔗

Spanish police for freedom:
https://is.gd/BYmacn

277683 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Inlakesh, 1, #763 of 2297 🔗

At last – Very moving indeed.

277731 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Inlakesh, #764 of 2297 🔗

Wonderful, truly uplifting, this is what we need! Show that to the Tinfoil Steroid Gobblers!

277819 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Inlakesh, 1, #765 of 2297 🔗

At last. Who would have thought the UK and the mother of all parliaments would become the upholders of tyranny? The world has been turned on its head.

277637 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 26, #766 of 2297 🔗

Irony is wasted on the general population.

Lots of discussion about how ‘freedom’ passes will change our lives.

The one thing a freedom pass is NOT, is a freedom pass!

278020 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceriain, 1, #767 of 2297 🔗

Freedom means no Freedom Pass

277654 calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #768 of 2297 🔗

Found on the Net – from a friend.

Pope Francis Says Covid Vaccine Will Now Be Required To Enter Heaven

“This is very important for the salvation of all people on Earth,” Pope Francis explained. “We know that God lets everybody into Heaven because He loves us all and He doesn’t really care what kind of mischief we get ourselves into in this life, but we must be wary of the greatest earthly sin of all: not getting the COVID-19 vaccine. God has informed me that He will not let you into Heaven unless you have received BOTH DOSES of this very safe vaccine.

Real or just satire?

One almost doesn’t know these days.

277674 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to calchas, 4, #769 of 2297 🔗

This has got to be a wind up?

277684 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Eddy, 3, #770 of 2297 🔗

See, you’re not quite sure are you?

🙂

277699 ▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to calchas, 2, #771 of 2297 🔗

He’s part of the cult but that’s taking the piss.

277757 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to calchas, #772 of 2297 🔗

So I’m already at my destination?

277770 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to calchas, 3, #773 of 2297 🔗

Wind up. 100%

277810 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to calchas, #774 of 2297 🔗

Count me out then. 😇

277895 ▶▶ Inlakesh, replying to calchas, #775 of 2297 🔗

“At publishing time Pope Francis had received an initial dose of the vaccine and had to be strapped down in a bed for an exorcism before the second dose.”

https://is.gd/PRMqDw

277659 John P, replying to John P, 8, #776 of 2297 🔗

News just in. Hollywood is preparing a remake of the famous Jack Nicholson film from the mid 1970s. It’s going to be called:

“One Flu Over the Cuckoos Nest.”

Cressida Dick is being put forward for the role of nurse Ratched.

Toby Young is favoured for the role of Randle McMurphy, but he must wear a wig.

277670 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, 4, #777 of 2297 🔗

Ratchet = Sturgeon ?

277681 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to John P, 2, #778 of 2297 🔗

Script by Ken Queasy?

277660 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 1, #779 of 2297 🔗

Who to trust: Gove or Zahawi?

277679 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bugle, 4, #780 of 2297 🔗

Hahaha! I wouldn’t trust either as far as I could throw them.

277694 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #781 of 2297 🔗

That far?????

277682 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Bugle, 4, #782 of 2297 🔗

Neither.

277756 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Tenchy, 1, #783 of 2297 🔗

Any MPs that are in favour I’m afraid are all bought and paid for or completely thick. Either way are not fit to serve in government.

277709 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bugle, 6, #784 of 2297 🔗

Both loathsome slimeballs. Gove is smart – although Julia HB made mincemeat of him earlier. Zahawi is as thick as mince!

277769 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #785 of 2297 🔗

He only looks smart when has a bellend, thick BBC, SKY et al so called journos interviewing him as he gets away with all his lies. Like you said, when he comes up against a proper journalist like JHB he gets torn several new arse holes.

277826 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #786 of 2297 🔗

Smart and evil is more dangerous, I believe than evil and stupid, although sometimes I am not always sure. Evil , motivated and energetic is the most dangerous

277661 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #787 of 2297 🔗

Is there a big “elites” conference going on? I live in Somerset and saw 3 jet vapour trails this morning, so assumed the rich and or politicians (same thing) where jetting off to sunny climes in their Lear jets.

277666 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #788 of 2297 🔗

Just the usual suspects spraying you with nasty chemicals, SM. 🙂

277712 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #789 of 2297 🔗

freedar.uk shows an unusually high number of military flights up today.

277745 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #790 of 2297 🔗

I felt the same this morning-lots of planes going over (nr birmingham airport)

278231 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to watashi, #791 of 2297 🔗

Edinburgh’s been sky-noisy too.

277664 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #792 of 2297 🔗

Ben Habib making some very uncomfortable observations:

https://twitter.com/Unlocked_UK_/status/1333667144295440388

277803 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #793 of 2297 🔗

We want more than just a few grumbles from MPs.

277680 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #794 of 2297 🔗

Spy Agencies Threaten to ‘Take Out’ Mercola

  • British and American intelligence agencies are collaborating to eliminate “anti-vaccine propaganda” from public discussion using sophisticated cyberwarfare tools
  • According to Imran Ahmed, chief executive of the Centre for Countering Digital Hate, anti-vaxxers are “an extremist group that pose a national security risk,” because “once someone has been exposed to one type of conspiracy it’s easy to lead them down a path where they embrace more radical world views that can lead to violent extremism”
  • In September, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) seized 92 online domains suspected of belonging to Iraqi government-backed militia. Seizures were done in collaboration with the FBI, Google, Facebook and Twitter
  • In November, the DOJ seized 27 online domains — including the American Herald Tribune — suspected of being founded by Iranian interests
  • Among the websites cited by the Centre for Countering Digital Hate as promoting extremism that poses a national security risk to the U.K. are Mercola.com, Children’s Health Defense, the Informed Consent Action Network, the Organic Consumers Association and the National Vaccine Information Center

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/01/anti-vaccine-propaganda-censorship.aspx

277743 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Victoria, 3, #795 of 2297 🔗

shocking but somehow not surprising

277762 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, 1, #796 of 2297 🔗

Power hungry tyrants, even academics aren’t allowed to question big pharma. Incredibly authoritarian, so no doubt all politicians will love the idea.

277795 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, #797 of 2297 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 . I’ll have to dig a bigger ditch, my ‘A’ list is growing daily!

277686 Cheezilla, 1, #798 of 2297 🔗

What the government didn’t provide:

The cost of the cure
Tim Knox and Jim McConalogue
https://twitter.com/Unlocked_UK_/status/1333667144295440388

277688 Victoria, 5, #799 of 2297 🔗

The Plan Is Unfolding for How Vaccines Will Be Monitored

  • Operation Warp Speed (OWS), a joint operation between U.S. Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Department of Defense, continues to be shrouded in secrecy
  • OWS is a public-private partnership tasked with producing therapeutics and a fast-tracked COVID-19 vaccine — 300 million doses’ worth that are intended to be made available starting in January 2021
  • OWS has plans to engage an “active pharmaco vigilance surveillance system” to track Americans for 24 months following vaccination
  • One of OWS’ four key tenets is “traceability,” which includes confirming which of the approved vaccines were administered regardless of location (public or private), reminding recipients to return for a second dose and ensuring that the correct second dose is administered
  • Google and Oracle, a multinational computer technology corporation headquartered in California, in the heart of Silicon Valley, have been contracted to “collect and track vaccine data” as part of OWS’ surveillance systems
  • OWS, rather than being directed by public health officials, is heavily dominated by military, technology companies and U.S. intelligence agencies, likening it to a successor for Total Information Awareness (TIA), a program that sprang up after the 9/11 attacks but was quickly defunded following public backlash over privacy concerns

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/01/operation-warp-speed-vaccine-monitoring.aspx

277690 RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #800 of 2297 🔗

Just a shout-out for the latest 4-way analysis by Ivor Cummins.

Definitely a must-watch for getting to grips with the hard data. :

https://youtu.be/m121hAiREvc

277748 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to RickH, 3, #801 of 2297 🔗

Absolutely incredible and completely demolishes the official narrative. A must watch as this includes lots of new info showing the initial spike was actually slowing before any lockdowns were announced and also makes great use of the mobility data from Google location tracking.

277790 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #802 of 2297 🔗

But this government still ignores it! Surely we must realise it isn’t about the virus.

277828 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #803 of 2297 🔗

They have their own pet scientists to pay attention to, ones that aren’t requiring them to admit to themselves that they have made the greatest governmental blunder in peacetime history.

277695 Sceptic down south, replying to Sceptic down south, 2, #804 of 2297 🔗

Apologies if already noted, but from today’s blog above:

“For a much more robust assessment of the cost of the lockdown and associated restrictions, we recommend this new report by Tim Knox and Jim McConalogue for Civitas called The Cost of the Cure . The report is worth reading in full, but the short version is that the Government has spent a minimum of £96,000 for each QALY saved, which is over three times the figure that the NHS routinely uses of £30,000 when assessing whether a particular course of action is worthwhile.”

Jonathan, this is nonsense?

The report actually says:

“The estimates of the cost per year of life saved (QALY) range from nearly three times more than what the NHS is usually prepared to pay to over 80 times more”

The 3x is based on Pantsdown’s 500K deaths (ie 450K lives saved), which is obviously bollocks. The 80x (nearer the mark) is based on Lockdown perhaps having saved 20K deaths. Which is debatable, but at least 2 full orders of magnitude (rather than 3x) passes some sort of smell test, given the amounts of money being thrown at this.

277791 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sceptic down south, 3, #805 of 2297 🔗

You’d also need to factor in future lost tax revenue, extra benefits being paid, cost of deaths caused by lack of NHS funding in the future, reduced healthcare during this year, deaths caused by suicide and unemployment, and something for depriving a whole country of a year of their normal lives (that last one ought to be in the trillions)

277697 Sceptic down south, 1, #806 of 2297 🔗

Why always waiting for approval. It makes it impossible to engage if one wanted to.

277702 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 12, #807 of 2297 🔗

Hmmmmmmm:
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277711 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sarigan, 7, #808 of 2297 🔗

Just went you thought clown world couldn’t go any more clown.

277714 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Sarigan, 2, #809 of 2297 🔗

It’s definitely not a cult though. Perish the thought.

277725 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Sarigan, 6, #810 of 2297 🔗

They just need the billiard ball stuffed in their gobs now and strapped round the back to complete the gimp look.

277746 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Sarigan, 6, #811 of 2297 🔗

They are just FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE!

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with the necessary adaptation.

278529 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #812 of 2297 🔗

Vacuum packing his head would solve the problem….

279382 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Voz 0db, #813 of 2297 🔗

That’s cheating.

277772 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Sarigan, 1, #814 of 2297 🔗

Wow, just wow..

277782 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Sarigan, 2, #815 of 2297 🔗

OMG I’m dying! Bwaaahahahahahaha!

277787 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sarigan, 2, #816 of 2297 🔗

Oh Lord how much more of this crap must we take?

277858 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, 2, #817 of 2297 🔗

someone want to explain how this works? shouldnt the mask be on the bell of the sax.(rather than on the bell end playing it )?

278170 ▶▶ anon, replying to Sarigan, #818 of 2297 🔗

brainwashed yanks brainwashing yanks

278526 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Sarigan, 1, #819 of 2297 🔗

Did I actually just see that?

Rubs eyes and looks again..

FFS I did!

277705 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #820 of 2297 🔗

I’m compiling a list of ‘disqualifications’ for my voting intentions for future elections.

I will never vote for either a person or a party that has:

*Sanctioned lock downs.
*taken the knee
*Worn a face covering
*Not answered any correspondence I sent.
*Answered correspondence but with a party script of waffle and lies.
*Obeyed their party whips come what may.
*Abstained on any issue in parliament.
*Went on radio or TV and made an arse of themselves.
*Voiced opinions that ‘Covid’ is a major threat to world health.
*Uttered any statement that induced or doubled down on fear.
*Is supportive of Vaccinations as a cure all for Covid.
*Never acknowledged being wrong.
*Afraid to change one’s mind in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
*Has shares in pharmaceutical businesses and arms industries and indeed any other businesses that conflict with their public role.

No doubt if I sat here and thought some more I could come up with plenty more ‘disqualifications’ but the above are enough to be going on with. I realise that the way I’m going I won’t be voting at all come the next opportunity…. but we shall see.

277723 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #821 of 2297 🔗

So that eliminates the Tories and Labour, most likely the liberals too. So who are we voting for? Nigel? Or do we hope the Tory rebellion leaves the party and forms a new one?

278210 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #822 of 2297 🔗

Piers Corbyn for PM will do me I fancy!

277707 JHuntz, 7, #823 of 2297 🔗

Remember when extinction rebellion locked down the city and people complained bitterly for weeks about the few million it cost us and the livelihoods that were put on hold (e.g. taxi drivers). what changed?

277708 malasdair, replying to malasdair, 7, #824 of 2297 🔗

Can we not get rid of all politicians IMMEDIATELY and use a blockchain-backed system to implement referendums to guide public policy?

I know, I know, it’s sadly just a fantasy.

277715 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to malasdair, #825 of 2297 🔗

How are you going to use a blockchain for that? The strength of the blockchain relies on the concept of work which grants security to the blockchain. How are you going to record millions of votes in a day to the blockchain if it takes 10 minutes to calculate a checksum?

277730 ▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #826 of 2297 🔗

There are other blockchain technologies available now that are much more efficient. Anyway, the point is not to focus on why it can or can’t be done up front. It’s merely a starting point for discussion on how to get rid of these miserable people that run our lives.

277806 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to malasdair, 2, #827 of 2297 🔗

But it being inefficient is the whole point. It is by design. If you can calculate a hash instantly, the whole blockchain loses security. I’m getting the feeling you don’t know how a blockchain works…

And it is very important to focus on why it can or can’t be done up front. That’s like saying “Don’t focus on why custard can’t be used as cement, it’s merely a starting point in building more homes…”. This IS the starting point: discussing why it can or can’t be done.

278011 ▶▶▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #828 of 2297 🔗

You are right, I don’t really understand, but why would a vote have to be registered immediately? Are paper ballots currently counted immediately?

I just noticed that most people whine and complain without even considering potential solutions. If we do nothing, we are screwed. If we do something, maybe we are screwed too, but at least we can say we tried.

278146 ▶▶▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #829 of 2297 🔗

Turns out that the blockchain is already being used for voting in some regions of the world, so clearly it’s fit for purpose and as mentioned, why would you need to calculate hashes instantly? Never mentioned it having to be instant.

At any rate, there’s an app called Flux, developed in Australia, that can handle a billion votes in 24 hours.

277737 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to malasdair, 3, #830 of 2297 🔗

A first step would be to retain elected parliamentary representatives, institute binding referenda for major public policy decisions, which would be held with increasing frequency, thus ever shrinking the room for the government/parliament to make policy.

277760 ▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #831 of 2297 🔗

That could work too and with technology, referenda could be held frequently. Switzerland, where I live, requires only 10,000 signatures for a referendum to be held on pretty much anything (I think, I haven’t confirmed that). There are referendums here regularly.

Of course, getting a referendum tabled probably requires approval of the upper and lower houses, but even if only symbolic initially, it would send a clear message to the politicians.

I’m currently researching how the referendum process works in the UK. I’m not a resident there any longer, but I was thinking it would be incredible if the UK was the first country in the world to table such a thing. Democracy clearly no longer works, if it ever did.

Technology is currently being used to spy on the population and to control media (e.g., bots on YouTube and Facebook removing content). Why not turn the tables on these bastards?!

I’m going to consult with an expert on blockchain technology to see if this is even feasible, at least as a first step. I have to take some action before I go insane over the current situation :-).

277781 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #832 of 2297 🔗

That’s a good start, we cannot go on like this. Politicians are tainted and therefore untrustworthy. Nationwide referenda on important subjects that affect us on a personal level should be held thereby safeguarding our rights. However let’s make sure voting does not follow the recent USA elections.

277793 ▶▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #833 of 2297 🔗

I don’t think it would be an easy thing to implement technologically and otherwise by any stretch of the imagination, but I think the first thing to do is to think positively that “this can work!” and find ways to make it work. I imagine that if such a thing gained traction, people would figure out ways to make it work.

I’d imagine that it’d be easy to collect massive amounts of signatures (electronically under the current circumstances?) – everyone is fed up with these twats that run nations (for their own benefits), no matter what side of the fence they’re on.

I think it could be the beginning of something incredible.

277811 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Hayes, #834 of 2297 🔗

If you want more frequent polling, then we need a cheap, easy, safe and secure way of voting. Otherwise it will never work.

If we can start a discussion with all the security experts we can, both in cryptography and in hardware security, maybe we can come up with a highly secure, open source solution to voting.

277856 ▶▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #835 of 2297 🔗

I’d love to do that. At least as a starting point, I’m going to chat to an expert in blockchain. I’ll pay if necessary, though perhaps we have some experts amongst us?

Theoretically the hardware is covered by phone technology and blockchain provides the cryptography.

Of course, not everyone has a phone, but I’m going to guess that when vaccination passports are required to get into shops, the govt will provide free phones to the populace, so why not for this purpose?

I just noticed that this site has a forum, so if I’m able, I’ll post in there about this idea. If others are keen to join in on a call with an expert/experts, I’d be happy to set something up.

It seems better to do something than to fall into complete despair.

277710 John P, replying to John P, 5, #836 of 2297 🔗

Serious comment. The UK Parliament Human Rights Committee (I didn’t know there was one) have launched an enquiry into the human rights implications of long lockdown and are inviting submissions from members of the public:

https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/326/the-governments-response-to-covid19-human-rights-implications-of-long-lockdown/

277733 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 7, #837 of 2297 🔗

They will need the services of mediums in order to contact the dead who killed themselves from lockdown or who died from cancelled medical treatment

277749 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, #838 of 2297 🔗

delete

277713 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 26, #839 of 2297 🔗

Look at Labour trying to ingratiate themselves with the people. Never forget that this is about them, not about what we want or need. They voted for lockdowns at each step of the way, either because they want lockdowns or because they wanted to give Boris more rope and they were fine with throwing us under the bus in the process. They’re not the solution, they’re part of the problem.
Britain, find yourself a new government.

277833 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #840 of 2297 🔗

Well said!

277877 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #841 of 2297 🔗

Never vote conservative or labour again – labour failed to oppose any of these draconian measures and therefore collaborated.

277717 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 7, #842 of 2297 🔗

Interesting that since Dom has gone we are seeing and hearing more from Gove.

Is this ‘Francis Urquhart’ starting to make his move for the top job?

277735 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Ceriain, 7, #843 of 2297 🔗

A horrible thing he is.

277740 ▶▶ alw, replying to Ceriain, 6, #844 of 2297 🔗

That’s always been my view. He will go down with the electorate like a bowl of sick.

277747 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ceriain, 2, #845 of 2297 🔗

Unfortunately he’s a close friend of an old mate of mine, they go on holiday together ffs.

277776 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #846 of 2297 🔗

Ask your old mate to name his price to kick Gove in the face and we’ll put up a GoFundMe campaign.

It has to be a hard kick though.

277815 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #847 of 2297 🔗

He’s a particularly unathletic specimen, writes books not terribly well. I suppose I could ask him to stab the creep in the head with a pen? Haven’t seen him for 4 or 5 years now, a situation that’s unlikely to change, very disappointed in him. What we really need is a GoveFuckOff campaign.

278264 ▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #848 of 2297 🔗

Pen stabbing would be acceptable, a lot of creative appeal too. He does seem to resemble a bulldog straining to pass a sideways stool.

277719 Julian, replying to Julian, 9, #849 of 2297 🔗

UK government warns of “third wave” of coronavirus if rules relaxed – BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzQzpd7GnbM&t=1s&ab_channel=BBCNews

Not so much interesting for the report as for the comments – I got bored of scrolling down trying to find a non-sceptical comment.

277728 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 6, #850 of 2297 🔗

*UK Government warns of “third wave” of false positive asymptomatic PCR test results if rules are relaxed*

277738 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 2, #851 of 2297 🔗

You might enjoy this reading!
https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

277771 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 6, #852 of 2297 🔗

I’ve just written to my MP repeating Dr Yeadon’s words: Viruses don’t do waves.
I doubt very much if she’ll read my angry letter, but perhaps one of her minions will, and, who knows? As I keep saying, it just MIGHT sow a seed, though it’s mostly stony ground, I know.

277832 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Julian, #853 of 2297 🔗

When was the first one?

277726 Voz 0db, 6, #854 of 2297 🔗

Here’s a FUN READ…

External peer review of the RTPCR test to detect SARS-CoV-2 reveals 10 major scientific flaws at the molecular and methodological level: consequences for false positive results.

source

but since the herd of moron slaves is already on the “I want that jab” phase, who cares any more about the Origins of the FRAUD & SCAM COVIDIUS?!

277734 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 18, #855 of 2297 🔗

The Vaccine is Not Compulsory but…
VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION…

STOP SPENDING MONEY ON THE BUSINESS THAT ASK YOU FOR YOUR “JAB CERTIFICATE” and let them know just that !

277767 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #856 of 2297 🔗

Exactly, I’ve gone without lots in the last 6 months so I can carry on going without some things. I will make it known to any businesses that try it.

277736 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #857 of 2297 🔗

Why don’t the government want to end this, why the continuous ramping up. They could end it by saying that they are hero’s that everything they have done for the last 9 months has emptied the hospitals, has kept people alive, which would all be true, only not anything to do with them, but they could take the credit. So what is their true end game.

277751 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #858 of 2297 🔗

Deaths will rise over the next three months because they always do. They have painted themselves into a corner by pretending that every death is covid-related, so when the seasonal increase kicks in most people will believe that this is still the case. The MSM would excoriate them, as would Labour. They can’t change direction without coming clean and that is never going to happen.

277753 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #859 of 2297 🔗

Yes I keep thinking, corner, rabbit hole, but feel that if they wanted to, their nudge team could con people again with a different rhetoric, not all of the people but enough.

277797 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #860 of 2297 🔗

Why did they introduce masks in the summer, escalating fear again, just as it would naturally havr died down?

If they want it to end, why not quietly dial back on the testing and on the number of PCR cycles?

If they want it to end, they why such little tolerance for anti-lockdown arguments.

Yes, if they wanted it to end, then they could deploy nudging in the other direction.

278095 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, #861 of 2297 🔗

The whole virus thing is just a smoke screen for what’s really going on. As long as people can’t see that, we’re doomed.

277807 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #862 of 2297 🔗

Potentially, but how would they nudge without undermining the vaccine imperative? Not sure they can do both at once and convinced that they will never ease off mass vaccination.

277763 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #863 of 2297 🔗

I wrote to BJ and said exactly that (a couple of weeks ago) – that at a stroke, by ending this madness immediately and completely, he could be a hero, that he would suddenly garner huge goodwill from the people, and he would be remembered as having saved the country. (The fact that he helped ruin it in the first place would be forgotten for a while in the general euphoria.)

277785 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #864 of 2297 🔗

They could end this, and could have ended it at numerous points, but doing so would involve a level of risk and require political courage they do not possess.

277789 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, #865 of 2297 🔗

That is the question Dan.

277809 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #866 of 2297 🔗

Sigh … resetting the world economy.

277817 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #867 of 2297 🔗

Being crude (I didn’t used to be BTW) –

They are completely fucking this country, but why, and what is the end game……
I know what I am starting to believe.

277842 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to dhid, 1, #868 of 2297 🔗

Interesting comments, Blair who is in the shadows and has always wanted ID, is a friend of Gates, actually on his Foundation website, promoting his own Foundation, so the vaccine which is going to make a lot of people even more rich, and provide the ID, then we have Charlie, who wants everyone to live as they did in the ‘olden days’, as long as it isint him and his rich friends. I just cant see how destroying business which provides employment and tax payers helps anything and how the Reset would do that but obviously the few politicians in on it see a positive for them.

278374 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Dan Clarke, #869 of 2297 🔗

At first when I started researching people and organisations and found Gates and Blair were involved in some way, I was surprised.

As time has gone on and the extent of their financial involvement in research, academia and pharma continues to become clear, it does bother me.

Why more question is not made of why Gates is the second largest funder of the WHO by the MSM is disturbing. Even Collins on Talk Radio was stupid enough to think it was not worrying. He seemed to think he was just a generous chap!

Gate’s involvement in scandalous vaccinations of girls in Africa which caused sterilisation is chilling and virtually unreported, whatever your views of birth control might be. These girls were not told this was included.

I don’t have a link to hand, but seeing a video a while ago, of Gates being questioned some years ago about Microsoft’s dodgy business practices and his arrogant response is quite telling.

What is perhaps most worrying to me is that Gates and Blair now seem to be more confident in showing their aspirations for “resetting” things.

Oh, and anyone who has had the misfortune to work professionally with Microsoft crap for many years (as I have) would probably agree Gates should be brought to account! Lol!

277848 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to dhid, 2, #870 of 2297 🔗

Don’t apologise my swearing is off the charts. I could give an Irish navvy a run for his money. 😏

278381 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bella Donna, #871 of 2297 🔗

Lol!

277882 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #872 of 2297 🔗

I agree with the points about having to continue to avoid exposing the mistakes but there also two factors you should never discount. Greed: The money sloshing about for vaccines, track & trace, testing will end up in many pockets. Power: They simply like having the power. To paraphrase our go to guy George Orwell, power is an end in itself not just a means to an end.

277981 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #873 of 2297 🔗

Hi Dan

Read this very long piece back in April, (If I can find the link I’ll post it) basically it said the end game was to reduce the population to 1 billion people. At the time of reading I didn’t share the article around as it was so out there it would make me look bad for sharing it. Basically in a nut shell it said

  • Planet was being destroyed so needed saving for the elite to enjoy.
  • People will become so worn down by lockdown after lockdown that they will be crying out for the vaccine
  • Those who refuse the vaccine will be denied all access to work, healcare and travel.
  • All economies to be destroyed causing extreme poverty
  • The cull of people will involve death and infertility casued by the vaccine and the rest through starvation due to total economic collapse.
  • The remaining will be electronically marked and enslaved by the elite.

Told you it was so out there, although with so much what has happened since now begining to wonder. Oh there was also something about this all being planned to start 4 years ago but Trump getting elected delayed all this and that Brexit was also related and has been delayed to coincide with all these events.

278092 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, #874 of 2297 🔗

That’s about the crux of it. The Georgia Guidestones warned us 40 years ago.

277741 DRW, replying to DRW, 42, #875 of 2297 🔗

Hi all, thank you for your responses regarding the funeral yesterday. It was difficult being the only unmasked in a flock of sheep but not much different from shopping these days, except you recognise the NPCs. I am only more determined for more unmasked appearances.

I am oddly encouraged at the moment. The narrative is crumbling so they’re having to rush the plans before it collapses. Today’s pantomime-parliament rubberstamp vote is just that but a decent rebellion might just get more of the masses questioning.

The fight is far from won and we may well be losing but we haven’t lost it yet either.

277755 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, 14, #876 of 2297 🔗

Well done for remaining unmuzzled! Perhaps you sowed a seed. I try to think that when I’m walking around the supermarkets. I hope one or two people look and think ”It must be nice to be able to smile at people again…” Others obviously think ”Well, I’ve got to suffer, so why shouldn’t they?…”

You’re right about the rush. When people say they smell a rat – that’s exactly it. A RAT – a Race Against Time.

277864 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Banjones, 5, #877 of 2297 🔗

I find it’s nice when seeing a fellow normal person to share a smile and sometimes a quick “Hi” – it makes what I find to be a seriously strange thing to endure (masked people genuinely freak me out) a little better.

277766 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to DRW, 4, #878 of 2297 🔗

Hold the line.

277774 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DRW, 14, #879 of 2297 🔗

The funeral of a parent is an horrendous event. But to have to go through it at the moment must add an extra layer of heartache.

I wish you much strength and peace in the coming months and years DRW. kh

277783 ▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 9, #880 of 2297 🔗

Yes, well done for being unmuzzled.

I don’t think we are losing the fight – not at all.

Just look at the censorship. They know that their arguments can’t stand up to debate.

Our views and arguments are gradually permeating through the population, and this will be enhanced as the weather warms in Spring and as the economic clouds darken.

277765 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 28, #881 of 2297 🔗

Just as there are companies joining in the lockdown fear – companies that deserve to be boycotted, I have just viewed an ad on YT for Redbreast whiskey, stating that the best way to enjoy their whiskey is with friends.

Brave message for a company to put out in this environment and they deserve a positive mention.

277843 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #882 of 2297 🔗

Agreed – I think any companies that are brave now, will hopefully be seen as worth supporting.

Several shops who enthusiastically embraced all the current crap with great vigor, will, both now and in the future, not get any patronage from me.

The same will apply to any business that might be tempted to require “proof” of vaccination. Hopefully they will fail.

277779 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #883 of 2297 🔗

Groundhog Boris talking groundhogs again…. in groundhog parliament..

We must continue to fight Ebola. Sorry I mean the groundhog covid virus that virtually no groundhog dies from.

Start, stop, start, stop.. huffle pause puffle pause huffle pause huffle puffle pause.. huffle wuffle truffle pause..

277800 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to chaos, 7, #884 of 2297 🔗

Probably just rolled out of bed after playing hide the chipolata with Nut Nuts into the wee hours.

277825 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #885 of 2297 🔗

after playing hide the chipolata with Nut Nuts”

I have just sprayed coffee out of my nose after laughing seeing that!

277786 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #886 of 2297 🔗

Ian Collins making sense just now. What a strange fellow he is. Makes sense. Makes no sense. Makes sense. Makes no sense.. wipe on, wipe off, wipe on, wipe off..

277801 ▶▶ dhid, replying to chaos, 5, #887 of 2297 🔗

Yes, yesterday he was still mocking anyone who suggested the police might now be out of control and anyone who suggested anything he might see as anti-vax, even if only concerned about current crap.

He’s actually one of Talk Radio’s more pointless presenters. IMO.

Julia Hartley Brewer and Mike Graham for PM and Home Secretary!
Lol!

277910 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to dhid, 1, #888 of 2297 🔗

Mike Graham is excellent now but only came round after many weeks/long discussions with Peter Hitchens. JHB similarly took quite a while but is now excellent at holding MPs to account though she’s still pro-mask, unfortunately.

278294 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #889 of 2297 🔗

Yes, it shows some people listen to reasoned debate, a rarity these days.

JHB was clearly really pissed off after Gove this morning.

How they remain civil to these idiots is beyond me.

I don’t think she is quite so solid on masks as she was a while back

277794 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #890 of 2297 🔗

Have we already seen this?

More than 1,300 people who gave samples between 19 and 23 November received positive results, when the tests were actually void.

“Given that [the government] have just decided to put the whole of Kent in tier 3, you just wonder, is their modelling flawed,” he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55107272?fbclid=IwAR0hoHN2y5otDo8vZ7qnI48GeG69fMY-_Mjgmx4GD4Nwg5-hnc22JGZ5eIs

From the beeb too!

277796 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #891 of 2297 🔗

It’ll be a lot more than that that were void!

277814 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, #892 of 2297 🔗

Boris has told the House that the scientists working on the vaccines have “telescoped ten years’ work into ten months.”

277840 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Steve Hayes, #893 of 2297 🔗

That is true, and I salute the scientists for it. But I am not worried about the scientists working in haste, I am worried about the regulators.

277857 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Recusant, 9, #894 of 2297 🔗

The notion that a safe and effective vaccine for a novel coronavirus has been developed in a mere ten months is simply not credible.

277849 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #895 of 2297 🔗

they telescoped long term health consequences into short term health consequences using their time-machine

277978 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Steve Hayes, #896 of 2297 🔗

Perhaps that’s because they have indeed been working on it for ten years?

278137 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #897 of 2297 🔗

Who fancies travelling on a commercial aircraft where they have shortened the design and development process from ten years into ten months…..

277818 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 10, #898 of 2297 🔗

Apparently they’ve ordered 650 scotch eggs for the House of Commons bar for tomorrow night

277821 ▶▶ dhid, replying to vargas99, 1, #899 of 2297 🔗

Lol! They’ll probably be laced with something….

277829 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to vargas99, 1, #900 of 2297 🔗

I hope they are rotten!
Just like the MPs.

277965 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to vargas99, #901 of 2297 🔗

salmonella infection would be too kind for this lot!

277823 Edward, 25, #902 of 2297 🔗

That’s a great line above from somebody’s letter to their MP: “I hadn’t realised that my fundamental freedoms are contingent on the smooth running of the NHS”.

277834 petgor, replying to petgor, 11, #903 of 2297 🔗

I have never been one for conspiracy theories, but that has now changed. The latest that I have come across is that the where these more recent anti lockdown protests have taken place and have turned violent, people are wondering out loud whether those starting the violence might be police officers in mufti.

I couldn’t possibly comment other than to say that compared to XR and BLM protests, and the police deny this, the police response seems far more heavy handed against those who appear to be ordinary members of the public.

277850 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to petgor, 5, #904 of 2297 🔗

Has usually been the case over the past few decades, peter. If a demo is to be labelled as ‘bad’, plain-clothes plod will kick off.

277866 ▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to petgor, 3, #905 of 2297 🔗

Yes, think of all those black clad aggressive vandals that break windows etc in cities on the eve of some big G7 conference or similar. There are never any arrests or attempts to stop them but the incident is used to justify the heavy handed policing/security in the following days.

277873 ▶▶ calchas, replying to petgor, 1, #906 of 2297 🔗

“A police officer who for seven years lived deep undercover at the heart of the environmental protest movement, travelling to 22 countries gleaning information and playing a frontline role in some of the most high-profile confrontations, has quit the Met, telling his friends that what he did was wrong.

PC Mark Kennedy , a Metropolitan police officer, infiltrated dozens of protest groups including anti-racist campaigners and anarchists, a Guardian investigation reveals.

Legal documents suggest Kennedy’s activities went beyond those of a passive spy, prompting activists to ask whether his role in organising and helping to fund protests meant he turned into an agent provocateur.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/09/undercover-office-green-activists .

Also;

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/half-of-all-top-ira-men-worked-for-security-services-28694353.html

277983 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, #907 of 2297 🔗

And of course the new laws passed this year will mean such tactics are out of reach for the people to investigate in any way.

277900 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to petgor, 1, #908 of 2297 🔗

I haven’t actually seen any protestors starting violence. I have seen police swooping on them while they protest peacefully though. Has there been footage of purported protestors attacking police in this country?

278079 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, #909 of 2297 🔗

Someone mentioned ‘stop the city’ and g7 demos of the past.

278002 ▶▶ dhid, replying to petgor, #910 of 2297 🔗

The difference in response to XR and BLM, versus normal people peacefully protesting, is stark and becoming very obvious.

I wouldn’t exclude the possibility of plod in mufti, but there certainly seems to be provocation and obvious “kettling” of peaceful protest, which they seem to become more comfortable in doing openly, especially in London. I wonder why?
Couldn’t be the leadership could it?

278086 ▶▶ leggy, replying to petgor, 1, #911 of 2297 🔗

The filth are starting the violence, not the protesters. I witnessed it in Trafalgar Sq.

277835 Peter, replying to Peter, 18, #912 of 2297 🔗

The latest derisory insult to the hospitality industry, £1000 one-off grant to wet led pubs in T2 and 3. What on earth are they supposed to do with this? Spoke to a publican this morning who will return the payment as it simply offers no help. The agenda against alcohol is so clear and obvious it’s not worth them hiding it any more.

277845 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Peter, 8, #913 of 2297 🔗

It’s an insult. These people have absolutely no idea how businesses work.

277851 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Peter, 4, #914 of 2297 🔗

Agree. Is the dear leader fond of a drink – and his handler less keen?

277859 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #915 of 2297 🔗

Given his handlers are SAGE and there is nothing public health officials despise more than the consumption of alcohol it is clear who runs the country now.

277865 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Peter, 8, #916 of 2297 🔗

Yes, there are certainly some nasty Temperance-friendly people setting the agenda, along with their devotion to climate change, rewilding and all the other nonsense schemes they support.

277878 ▶▶▶▶▶ Peter, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #917 of 2297 🔗

Witless, unbalanced and that reprehensible Van Tam pushing this. Nasty, nasty men. Don’t think they have any interest in the green agenda, they only have 1 axe to grind and they won’t stop until they get their way.

277880 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Peter, 5, #918 of 2297 🔗

Van Tam wanted his mother to be a test subject for a straight-out-of-the-lab vaccine. Didn’t want to have a jab himself though

277890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Peter, replying to steve_w, 2, #919 of 2297 🔗

Really nasty piece of work, has dedicated his life to ensuring other people follow his way of thinking, without posing any risk to himself of course

278018 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to steve_w, #920 of 2297 🔗

I don’t really wish his mother any harm, but…..

278209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to steve_w, 1, #921 of 2297 🔗

maybe he is in line for an inheritance?

277979 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #922 of 2297 🔗

We might end up having to undergo a bit of “rewilding” ourselves to deal with these evil fools.

277838 Sir Patrick Vaccine, #923 of 2297 🔗

Dear Westire
“Mistake” 1311 People POSITIVE Last Week 🤦‍♂️ My Faith Is GONE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fib7S9JVgdo

277847 Bill Gisz, 6, #924 of 2297 🔗

Here’s Dr Robert M. Kaplan, a psychiatrist, writing about his medical colleagues:

“They develop great expertise in a very narrow field while experiencing little of the real world…As a group, they accept, without questioning, the status quo.”

Dr Kaplan’s verdict is perhaps a little harsh, but it does alert us to at least one reason why a large part of the medical establishment (that ought to know better) has seemingly bought in to the The Great Misrepresentation, hook, line and sinker.

277852 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #925 of 2297 🔗

Keir Starmer is telling the House that the government has not taken the virus seriously enough, that the responses have been inadequate and incompetent, and that the government isn’t spending enough money, and is treating people and businesses unfairly.

277860 ▶▶ saab93viggen, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #926 of 2297 🔗

It should be impossible to be as stupid as he is.

277869 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to saab93viggen, 1, #927 of 2297 🔗

Starmer clearly isn’t stupid.

277861 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #928 of 2297 🔗

He’s an NWO puppet, trilateral commission member etc.

277855 Staincliffe, replying to Staincliffe, 14, #929 of 2297 🔗

An interesting LS report on the arrest of the female reader on Saturday’s demonstration. There was an similar observation on police tactics made by James Delingpole on the radio on Sunday morning. He said that the snatch squads deliberately target women demonstrators to provoke a response from the men in the group who they can then arrest for violence.

277863 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Staincliffe, 3, #930 of 2297 🔗

That is plausible.

Applied Social Psychology.

277871 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Staincliffe, #931 of 2297 🔗

When I watched the live stream I actually thought they were deliberately targeting big burly guys. I imagine they brag about it at a later date.

277889 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Staincliffe, 4, #932 of 2297 🔗

Was annoyed by some ex-cop on Talk Radio earlier (a campaigner for families of child murder victims, which is fine) but who poured doubt on any wrong doing by police at the weekend, when he clearly hadn’t seen any amount of live streamed footage from then, which in my view very clearly showed deliberate unwarranted targeting.

Shameful.

277862 SteveT, 18, #933 of 2297 🔗

Absolutely gobsmacked by the Labours standpoint outlined by Keir Starmer at the moment. Unbelievably, if I HAD to vote for one of the 2 parties today, I would find myself voting for Boris and his cronies who have caused this mess, instead of Labour who are saying the mess isn’t big enough! I had high hopes for Starmer when he took over from the unelectable Corbyn. Corbyn drove the Labour party to the edge of the cliff, but instead of reversing, Starmer has stamped on the accelerator!!!!

277868 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #934 of 2297 🔗

No jab you’re barred reads one newspapers headline today. No cinema without a jab pubs and restaurants expected to follow…

I truly hope the element of Lockdown Sceptics who have no issue pontificating how a segregated society is nonsense realise there will soon be a difficult choice to make. Vaccinate with unlicensed vaccine or watch on as others who comply have more opportunities than those who do not.

This is the topic Lt Col Tobias Elwood weasled from in is army rousing speech in the House of Commons. He never said the words no jab you’re barred but he implied them in his speech. Lockdown Sceptics must remain open to the depths of evil these men and women who are leading this attack of freedom are stooping.

The good news is massive numbers of people are opposed to jabs of unlicensed material – that are only shown to lessen symptoms not innoculate against the virus.

It may even be the case that those choosing not to be vaccinated are made scape goats for the Public Health failures of the vaccine. Be ready for that hostility too.

277898 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Basics, 8, #935 of 2297 🔗

My worry is that this is the fore-runner of a National ID card being introduce via the backdoor. This is a nasty sneaky underhand way to run things, something like a National ID card is so fundamental it should come up for full up-front debate and discussion. When it has been raised before it has floundered and so they now hope to slip it in by default.

278066 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #936 of 2297 🔗

Yup, all part of the plan:
https://id2020.org/

Combined with this, to track your vaccine status:
https://thecommonsproject.org/commonpass

277901 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Basics, 3, #937 of 2297 🔗

Elwood is a slippery two faced character, unfortunately one of my local MPs.

277903 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Basics, 9, #938 of 2297 🔗

All of these people who are opposing the mandatory vaccine will soon give in when their jobs, holidays or any social activities with their family and lowed ones will depend on them having this. I see this coming down to about 10-15 % tops who do not take it. I’m in the same boat, I will fight tooth and nail but if I have to choose from ever again traveling with my kids or taking then to the football, museum ,restaurant, park on the fucking train…I will have to take a loooooong hard look at myself and see what I’m preaird to sacrifice more. My freedom and bodily autonomy or my live with my wife and kids…Tough choice.. Or I might just end it all as I wanted so many times before and be done with it.

277908 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #939 of 2297 🔗

Don’t forget your kids will have to be vaccinated as well – do you want to be responsible for that until you’ve seen absolute efficacy and safety?

277933 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to vargas99, 1, #940 of 2297 🔗

I don’t think we will have anything to say about that either. In the US they are already passing laws on state levels that the doctor does not need to tell the parents of a minor if they have received a vaccine.This will happen here, no doubt and it will be passed as a Mandate not a law, enforced by the Police, Covid Marshalls and if we are really stupid and think we can resist , the Army. When they go for it, it will be a tsunami not a wave. We will be helpless to stop it. They will probably do it in schools together with the flu vaccine, voila..You can thank them for saving your child later. Protect the NHS, Build Back Better!!

278062 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, #941 of 2297 🔗

Defeatist, moi ? …

277940 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #942 of 2297 🔗

Hopefully you and many of us will be able to wait it out for some months before being forced to have the vaxx. By this time there should have been enough volunteers queuing round the block to take the vaxx and short term side-effects more known. Though long term which is a concern won’t be known for ages, and may never be admitted.
If there are significant side-effects then public opinion will go against having it. Also if someone has the vaxx and then gets covid it will undermine confidence and people say wtf…i imagine the media will block any negative issues
So my strategy to is wait and see for as long as possible …

277964 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #943 of 2297 🔗

I think it will be as easy to fool the public into considering the vaccine safe as it has been to fool the public into thinking there is a novel deadly virus bringing the NHS to its knees.

In either case the reality – serious side affect or lack of serious disease will be irrelevant.

277994 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #944 of 2297 🔗

I’m in the same boat.

I feel like nobody will come to my aid, even those close to me. I’ll be derided especially for stopping my kids taking it. Dark dark times ahead.

278057 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #945 of 2297 🔗

All of these people who are opposing the mandatory vaccine will soon give in …

I see this coming down to about 10-15 % tops who do not take it.

Come on, Tom, there’s some unclear thinking here.

278006 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Basics, 1, #946 of 2297 🔗

The next thing to happen will be the licensing of the vaccines, if necessary by filling the vaccine authorities with yes-men who will do the regime’s bidding.

With people like Whitty and Vallance in charge we have every reason to believe that the approvals will be waved through.

That gives them cover to make them compulsory.

278026 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Basics, 4, #947 of 2297 🔗

I would like to think that anyone with half a brain should be asking something on the lines of the following:-
“when most of us have had the vaccine and therefore the virus is no longer a risk to us all (!), what is the timescale for removing the need for masking, removing the need for social distancing, being able to sit next to someone in a theatre or football stadium, not having to give my details to get a pint in my local, etc etc”
You get my point. I would bet that most answers will be that this will happen almost immediately.
They just don’t get it that there is so much invested in this. Is your local butcher going to tear down his perspex screens? Is the local council going to rush to paint over the distancing guides on the pavements? Again I could go on but we all know what I am getting at.

278042 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 4, #948 of 2297 🔗

Jab-free restaurants and pubs will make a fortune.

278752 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to JohnB, #949 of 2297 🔗

and will be shut down the council within the week.

277870 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 17, #950 of 2297 🔗

If something is so precious (the NHS) that you destroy your life and freedom trying to protect it then the sensible thing to do is just destroy it

277879 ▶▶ dhid, replying to steve_w, 8, #951 of 2297 🔗

That “admired around the world” institution that um…nobody has copied….for some reason…….

277899 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to dhid, 8, #952 of 2297 🔗

I sent this to Toby as a dictionary definition.

NHS – UK religion. Praised by worshipers as “Our amazing/much-loved NHS” and as “The envy of the world”. Staffed by angels and living saints. Requires weekly applause and protection. Non-believers derided as uncaring, seeking its privatisation and hell-bent on apparently the only other healthcare system in the world i.e. American. Aka (as of 2020) “National Covid-only Service”.

277918 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 8, #953 of 2297 🔗

Yes I am not a fan from personal experience.

I was regarded with some suspicion by others in our fairly small cul-de-sac, when I didn’t join in the “clapping” earlier in the year.

They seem to be thawing recently for some reason…

Anyway, I was sure they had said “take a crap for the NHS” – so I did….

277927 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #954 of 2297 🔗

Don’t you just hate the latest NHS advert for its recruitment campaign?

277938 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Margaret, #955 of 2297 🔗

I heard that for the first time on the iPad when listening to Talk Radio earlier – almost threw something at it.

277874 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 18, #956 of 2297 🔗

Can you believe that in a time limited debate they allow an SNP politician to stand up and take debating time to champion how well the SNP are doing in Scotland. Piss take of a Parliament

277887 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Leemc23, 18, #957 of 2297 🔗

I think I am going to have to serve a life-time ban on one of my customers. She has just stated, in all seriousness, that Nicola Sturgeon is doing a “good job”.

277924 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to kh1485, 3, #958 of 2297 🔗

This is why I keep saying that the Dear Leader and her party/cult will probably do well in May’s election. It’s hard for us political scientists to explain.

278124 ▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Tom in Scotland, #959 of 2297 🔗

Not if I have anything to do with it she’s not.

277950 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, 2, #960 of 2297 🔗

Perhaps she is one of the poor unfortunates who watches the BBC.

278019 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, -1, #961 of 2297 🔗

LSD in her tea?

278267 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, 1, #962 of 2297 🔗

I wouldn’t know, but I guess you might, with your drug “expertise”.
Lol!

278119 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to kh1485, 1, #963 of 2297 🔗

Please tell her she can live here if she thinks she’s so bloody wonderful, I’ll do a house swap.

277906 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Leemc23, 6, #964 of 2297 🔗

I cannot understand why they are allowed to debate and vote on England-only policies.

277926 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #965 of 2297 🔗

it’s a standing bribe to placate the Scottish, no? Independence would be a disaster for Labour in terms of the possibility of ever winning again, and ideologically a disaster for the Conservatives. So Scottish MPs get to exercise a bullying power that is entirely illogical and unreasonable in Parliament

277974 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Alethea, 4, #966 of 2297 🔗

I am not sure it would be such an ideological disaster for the Tories. I don’t think the Scots will ever vote for independence but if the English were asked whether Scotland should be independent I think the answer would be a resounding yes and good riddance.

278050 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Will, #967 of 2297 🔗

Problem is the security angle. You can imagine the Russian Navy or whoever making a “friendly” visit about a week after independence day. Much more strategic to NATO than Southern Ireland

277990 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Leemc23, 5, #968 of 2297 🔗

Please trust me when I say that the SNP are not doing well. However, what they do have are dogmatic sheepdog fans that either don’t know or care they are the fodder for their beloved Marxist leader.

Scots deaths are 10 times higher than that of Norway. Although ANY death within 28 day of a positive covid test is used in Scotland. What a fuckin joke we’ve become.

278189 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Leemc23, #969 of 2297 🔗

For what it’s worth SDP policy “An English Parliament will be established outside London. Bids from cities in the Midlands and the North wishing to host it will be invited.”

277883 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 38, #970 of 2297 🔗

Graham Brady tells the House that the presumption must always be in favour of liberty, and for the government to remove our liberty, rights and freedom it must show that the measures are both proportionate and necessary: and the government plainly has failed to make that case.

277935 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #971 of 2297 🔗

I would say that allowing for the little loophole ‘for the government to remove our liberty, rights and freedom it must show that the measures are both proportionate and necessary’ is what has permitted this situation to occur. The government must never be granted the power to remove our liberty. This will always cause much greater harm then a free people choosing to ignore government advice ever could.

277953 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #972 of 2297 🔗

I agree.

277885 James Bertram, 6, #973 of 2297 🔗

Jeremy Vine funny today.
Had George Monbiot and the BBC ‘misinformation’ journalist on today trying to rubbish covid conspiracy theories, and particularly those relating to the vaccine. Some great comments were phoned back in reply that totally turned the tables on the BBC propaganda machine- highly cogent and informed. I particularly liked Steve who sounded as if he could hardly read. Genius – started by saying why is flu deaths down by 98%, carried on from there, even mentioning Mike Yeadon. Kept getting interrupted, but still trashed them so they had to resort to insults such as being a lonely nerd who spent too long on the computer. Pathetic BBC.
Well done, Steve (if you read this); and too, to all others who contributed.
Sceptics 1 – BBC 0.

277902 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to calchas, 9, #975 of 2297 🔗

All those poor people that will lining up to be given this from a company that’s never had a drug approved before using a technology that’s never been used before!

277909 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to calchas, 7, #976 of 2297 🔗

“Moderna said the 196 COVID-19 cases in its trial included 33 adults over 65 years old and 42 volunteers from racially diverse groups, including 29 Latinos, 6 Blacks, 4 Asian Americans and 3 multiracial participants. There was one death related to COVID-19 in the placebo group.”

My goodness: 1 death “related to COVID” out of 30,000. That ‘rona sounds fucking lethal. Sign me up for your barely-tested genetic vaccine!!!!

And look at the representation of old-and-vulnerable: 33 people out of 30,000. Then look at the proposed distribution of the vaccine: old-and-vulnerable first. What could possibly go wrong?

By way of comparison, the odds of dying by your own hand are 3 times higher than the “COVID” death in the trial.

277958 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Mabel Cow, #977 of 2297 🔗

If you know anything about numbers then you will know what the real craic is by reading them.

277922 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to calchas, 5, #978 of 2297 🔗

Even if it was 500% effective I wouldn’t take a risk with a company like that.

278000 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 4, #979 of 2297 🔗

Jesus 100% raises more concerns than the 60% AZ pushed. No drug ever is 100% effective.

278055 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to calchas, 3, #980 of 2297 🔗

100% effective at what? Not killing people? Ensuring recipients only get mild symptoms from a mild infection?

278130 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to calchas, 1, #981 of 2297 🔗

Wonder what the excuse will be once vaccination is rolled out and people are still found to be dying 28 days after testing positive.

277888 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #982 of 2297 🔗

Hilary Benn is attacking people who are critical of the rushed vaccines, accusing them of being murderous.

277891 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, 31, #983 of 2297 🔗

What a cunt

277892 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #984 of 2297 🔗

Seconded. The apple fell in the next field to the tree in his case.

277915 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to leggy, 6, #985 of 2297 🔗

I bet his father is spinning in his grave.

278250 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Margaret, 2, #986 of 2297 🔗

Someone did report smoke coming from the ground…

277894 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #987 of 2297 🔗

Hmmm. Former Corbynite here, but I always knew Benn was a wrong ‘un. More so than some of my fellow travellers who, I have to say, regarded him with a little favour, if only because of his parentage. Not me, though – I saw straight through the shyster from the word “go”!

278014 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, #988 of 2297 🔗

or a spindly little dick

take your pick?

277905 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #990 of 2297 🔗

We stand and wait, but if goes against us, we go on

277917 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 6, #991 of 2297 🔗

Dolan is appealing to the Supreme Coutt

277913 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 26, #992 of 2297 🔗

We won’t get a cost study. Any lack of bounce back will be pinned on “anti-vaxxers”.

Expect the vaccine to be made mandatory. This is the beginning of the end folks, make no mistake about it.

Generations past would have been up in arms from day one. Yet this one just rolls over at every turn. China now knows our weaknesses with pathogens, it will use this. They are the world’s number one enemy… At least communism is the main enemy.

Loads of people will say that they would have fought for this side or that side in historical battles. Well this is one!

NO TO MASKS, LOCKDOWNS AND C19 VACCINES!

278010 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to TheBigman, 8, #993 of 2297 🔗

The Elites said a vaccine was the only solution from day one for the masses, absolutely no support for any other treatment from the big pharma funded medical profession. If Trump could be cured in a couple of day with drugs why on earth is there a need for mandatory vaccinations for ordinary people, it really is scandalous the establishment get away with this. Yearly vaccinations are a dream for big pharma for the guaranteed revenue stream and immunity from lawsuits you wouldn’t get with any other treatment.

278080 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 7, #994 of 2297 🔗

Big Pharma is a global terrorist organisation in my opinion. We are being held hostage by companies with dollar signs in their eyes

278070 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TheBigman, 7, #995 of 2297 🔗

It’s not the end. Massive protests in France put a halt to Macron’s planned bill that criminalised those who filmed police brutality. But French history is not for the sensitive. They do not mess about. They fight back

And if it is the end, then make it more difficult for the ba**ards, especially if the vaccine is predicted to make people feel ill

We are not cattle to be branded. We are human beings

277914 MDH, replying to MDH, 5, #996 of 2297 🔗

There are four members of our residents’ association out in the park (I live overlooking a small green) working on replanting a tree. They are all wearing masks. I really didn’t want to engage them in conversation (our RA is currently split on the vexed subject of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods – they are, I assume, all in favour), but I just can’t see any reasoning for such behaviour other than virtue signalling at its most ridiculous.

Even if you’ve swallowed the government’s doomsday propaganda, you surely wouldn’t think you were at any risk working in the open air. They are
next to a children’s play area. Within an hour, that will be full of parents and children, happily mixing and all unmasked. I wonder if the zombies will run indoors to protect themselves (and others)?

277937 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to MDH, 5, #997 of 2297 🔗

Boris’ Britain: The blonde leading the blind.

277916 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 1, #998 of 2297 🔗

When are we going to get the Dolan decision?

277920 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to mattghg, 2, #999 of 2297 🔗

It ain`t good news

277921 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to mattghg, 2, #1000 of 2297 🔗

Rejected – on to the Supreme Court.

277925 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1001 of 2297 🔗

Shit.

278187 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Banjones, #1003 of 2297 🔗

Thanks.

277919 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #1004 of 2297 🔗

Simon Dolan’s appeal rejected. On to the Supreme Court.

277931 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1005 of 2297 🔗

More dictatorship it is then

277932 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1006 of 2297 🔗

Thanks

277934 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #1007 of 2297 🔗

And why did this take over a month? They must have decided almost straight away.

One answer that immediately springs to mind is to delay the inevitable appeal to the Supreme Court.

But how silly of me, of course judges don’t play politics …

278004 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 2, #1009 of 2297 🔗

It has to be on a technicality like before.

277928 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 12, #1010 of 2297 🔗

Slightly old news, but news to me. Apparently Billy G has popped over to visit BoJo to check how the masterplan is going:

Boris Johnson to meet Bill Gates to plan national vaccine rollout with pharma giants

https://archive.is/OtWnU

Plan is going very well, as it looks like the Judicary are now onboard too (Dolan’s case rejected).

277944 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to zacaway, 5, #1011 of 2297 🔗

Billy G is not my lover. He’s just a nerd who says that I am the one ….

etc

277969 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to zacaway, #1012 of 2297 🔗

Indeed old news!

277930 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #1013 of 2297 🔗

Brilliant speech from Andrea Leadsom. She’s not going to fall into line.

277939 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1014 of 2297 🔗

she hurt my feelings very badly when she said that May, not having children, had less stake in the future than she did, but I might forgive her if she’s currently showing sense

277943 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1015 of 2297 🔗

She has supported all the lockdown measures up to now. One has to wonder why it has taken so long? Moreover, her criticism of the proposed tier system was focused on its inconsistencies and unfairness, rather than its totalitarianism. Compare her position with Graham Brady’s.

277948 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1016 of 2297 🔗

She’s a useless MP but at least she’s listening to her constituents.

277997 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1017 of 2297 🔗

Less useless than mine, who’s still in thrall to the benighted NHS.

277993 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1018 of 2297 🔗

“Why are we going back into the Tiering system? Did the lockdown work or didn’t it.. I want to support my govt and my pm in the lobby this evening but I won’t inflict deliberate harm on my constituency unless I can see for myself that to do nothing would be worse.”

278104 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1019 of 2297 🔗

She never said she’d vote against; just that she couldn’t support this. She may abstain.

277936 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 10, #1020 of 2297 🔗

Just in from Simon Dolan: Court of Appeal rule against us.

My god I am in despair today.

277947 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Pebbles, 8, #1021 of 2297 🔗

Sadly not surprised.

277952 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Pebbles, 5, #1022 of 2297 🔗

depressing

277976 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1023 of 2297 🔗

We go on

277962 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Pebbles, #1024 of 2297 🔗

Were you expecting anything different?!

ALL THE JESTERS no matter the job description OBEY to the ORDERS of the Secular Ruling Families & Billionaires…

Get used to this… And this is just the start of the CHANGES They will make to Their Civilization and Planet.

Do Enjoy!
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277971 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1025 of 2297 🔗

I don’t know how you can make such a light-hearted comment when the situation is so serious.

278016 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1026 of 2297 🔗

I don’t know how you can be so gloomy and despondent when the situation is so serious.

Each to their own, eh ?

278230 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to JohnB, 1, #1027 of 2297 🔗

John, I am despondent. Is there a reason for hope?

279324 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to charleyfarley, #1028 of 2297 🔗

Many reasons. Our kids and grandkids. The people on this site. The clear shifting of public opinion. The msm now being allowed, in part, to present both sides of the story. 100,000 people giving up the tv. The Conservative rebels and abstainers in today’s vote.

And, of course, Liverpool FC teenagers stuffing Ajax tonight. 🙂

279178 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to charleyfarley, #1029 of 2297 🔗

Clearly we – the slaves – still aren’t regarding OPERATION COVID with the attention it deserves. As long as slaves just persist in doing the same old and useless street protests and other events of the kind, NOTHING will CHANGE.

Like I’ve been saying for a few months… Get ready to kill or be culled.

THEY sure are killing a lot of sheeple, and what’s the reaction?!

277973 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Pebbles, 2, #1030 of 2297 🔗

We go on, just one battle in the war

277951 Tom Blackburn, 12, #1031 of 2297 🔗

Need to bring out the big guns for the Supreme Court ie Lord Sumption

277954 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 27, #1032 of 2297 🔗

Am I the only one who finds this disgusting?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-releases-full-list-23097901

I mean, it’s their fucking job to look after sick people* they signed up to become a nurse or doctor. This time last year, nobody gave a shit about the NHS.

*except since March this year. When they were so “overwhelmed” they seemed to all find the time to do stupid dance routines on tok tic or whatever shitty social media site they fancied. & now, they don’t want to look after anybody who requires NHS care. Hypocrites.

What about giving supermarket workers, lorry drivers & ordinary people £500- instead?

I don’t mean to sound bad by saying this, but seriously? This is outrageous.

277960 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #1033 of 2297 🔗

Totally agree.

278034 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to kh1485, 1, #1034 of 2297 🔗

Thank you. I am glad it’s not just me.

278082 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to kh1485, 2, #1035 of 2297 🔗

Perhaps she’s seen this new research . “support for independence depends on a near-blind faith in Nicola Sturgeon and on voters remaining uninformed about simple facts. It is support built on sand.”

277963 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1036 of 2297 🔗

Buying votes, simple as.

278045 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Wolver, 3, #1037 of 2297 🔗

Buying votes, I hope not, but I see what you are saying & it is probably true.

“Save a granny’s life, stay locked in your homes, watch your jobs disappear, your freedoms and liberties taken away, but…as long as the NHS is ok & not “overwhelmed” & not treating anyone, fuck everything else & have £500”

Arseholes that they are.

277972 ▶▶ leggy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1038 of 2297 🔗

Surprised they all haven’t been awarded a fucking medal.

278033 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to leggy, 2, #1039 of 2297 🔗

Did they not all get a stupid little badge back in April/May.
Matt the Wank Wankcock showed it off at one of the (then) daily government tv propaganda briefings.

278054 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1040 of 2297 🔗

I missed that thankfully.

278077 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1041 of 2297 🔗

NHS staff can now get a name badge that shows their preferred personal pronoun on it now.

277977 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1042 of 2297 🔗

What a cunt it is, she should be paying for the funerals of the people she has murdered

277988 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #1043 of 2297 🔗

Paying from her own pocket

278030 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stefarm, 2, #1044 of 2297 🔗

She should. But, she won’t.
It comes from the magic, ever giving money tree the UK government have magically found since March.

278024 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stefarm, #1045 of 2297 🔗

Indeed. But, she will say that she hasn’t killed anyone, it was the “virus” that did it.

278107 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to stefarm, 3, #1046 of 2297 🔗

Now that I totally agree with. I found out last night that a friends father has been given 6 months because he has bowel cancer and didn’t push his gp in February to get tested, they didn’t see him again until July and he had to wait until last week to be told there is now a shadow on his liver. Yesterday cancer was confirmed and it’s to late now to do anything.

278225 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Just about sane, 3, #1047 of 2297 🔗

Simply awful. There are no words to adequately describe the scale of this evil.

278081 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1048 of 2297 🔗

GPs? Seriously?!

278093 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1049 of 2297 🔗

I agree but as I said earlier buying votes as they’re dishing out money to the parents of children that receive free school meals Oh and they want to give every primary child free school meals and now they want the UK government to let them have it tax free.

277955 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1050 of 2297 🔗

Interesting little propaganda graphic from Ireland’s Statistics Office – Social Impact of COVID-19 Survey. Note the central section with the vaccine graphics – no alternative to return to anything normal is presented.

277982 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1051 of 2297 🔗

I bet someone laughed whilst they made that. Surprised only 4.3% can see the bigger picture.

278032 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1052 of 2297 🔗

Children will be studying posters like this in history textbooks in years to come, in the way that I had to study Nazi propaganda while doing GCSE History.

278091 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mattghg, 2, #1053 of 2297 🔗

The history textbooks that will be delivered to their Google Glasses via Microsoft Teams and filtered by GCHQ?

278038 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1054 of 2297 🔗

There isn’t a single thing on that graphic the Irish Governemnt should be proud of.

277956 JuliaG, replying to JuliaG, #1055 of 2297 🔗

I used James Delingpole’s letter published today to write to my local MP. Here is his response. I have asked him to provide evidence that every positive PCR result is a COVID case, and that those that are asymptomatic are spreading the virus. These are dangerous claims the government is making!!

Dear Ms,

Thank you for contacting Mr Vara about our return to a tiered system of restrictions. Mr Vara has asked me to assist him in replying to you.

It is vital that we continue to act on the latest data available and to ensure that the most appropriate actions are taken at the most appropriate time. Shailesh and his colleagues in Government agree with this principle, and are working with researchers, scientific advisers, and data teams to ensure that they have access to information as quickly as possible.

Data released on 26th November shows an improving picture in Cambridge and Peterborough with decreasing case rates across 5 of the 6 local authorities although the case rate is still high at 123/100,000 overall). Case rates in over 60s are also decreasing (58/100,000). Positivity has dropped to 5.2%, thus demonstrating that the lockdown had been effective. The number of people admitted to hospital with covid in the area also reduced over the last week as further vindication of the strategy.

Mr Vara is aware of the frustration that different areas are in different Tiers yet so close by. Many regions are likely situated next to areas with higher rates. It has been shown that a Tier 1 district in Tier 2 or 3 is likely to end up having to move up the Tier. The measures and tier allocations are in place after great consideration and to stop this happening and ensure numbers decrease everywhere.

The new tier system is designed to continue the good work and to keep infection rates under control. Mr Vara is fully supportive of this objection and the Tier system that supports that objective.

You can see how many cases are in your local area by visiting: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

Mr Vara understands that lockdowns and other restrictions have caused enormous stress and disruption to people’s lives. Lockdowns are creating other difficulties and the impact of these is an important consideration when looking at policy options. Ministers are working hard to consider all possibilities as they develop the details of the tier system and the route back to normality.

Mr Vara welcome that new rapid turnaround tests, which can help to identify and isolate people who do not have symptoms but are unintentionally spreading the virus, it can also be used to identify people who do not have the virus. This means that, in due course, it should be possible to offer people who test negative the prospect of greater freedoms.

Mr Vara would like to reassure you that all the measures put in place to respond to this outbreak, are proportionate to the threat we face. It is important that they will only be used when strictly necessary and will only be in place for as long as required to respond to the situation. Measures are in place to review this act on a six-monthly basis to ensure that the measures remain appropriate. There are also reviews of the tiers weekly. It is likely that the virus will be with us for some time, and it is therefore vital that we continue to take necessary steps to save lives.

The rules are there for a reason and have been shown to be effective. It is important that we all play our part by complying with the rules.

As the Prime Minister said. “We must act in a spirit of togetherness to suppress this virus now to save lives”.

Mr Vara very much hopes that you, your family and the school are safe and well in these unprecedented times.

Kind regards,

Maire Crosse
Parliamentary Assistant
Office of Shailesh Vara MP

278174 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JuliaG, 2, #1056 of 2297 🔗

”… suppress this virus…” They really don’t care how patronising they sound, do they? We know they’re not the brightest buttons in the box but parroting the party line over and over doesn’t make it true. Though they obviously think it does.

I think their minions/handlers anticipated this avalanche of complaints and prepared their replies beforehand – cut and paste. They’re remarkably similar in their use of patronising and arrogant garbage.

278238 ▶▶ dhid, replying to JuliaG, #1057 of 2297 🔗

Mr Vara has asked me to assist him in replying to you.”

Mr Vara certainly needs “assistance” I think….

277957 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 18, #1058 of 2297 🔗

They sit in the Commons breathing in each other’s air, then change seats without ANY sanitising, shock, horror, and believe this is all about a virus.

277975 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #1059 of 2297 🔗

Pure virtue signalling theatre.

278031 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1060 of 2297 🔗

Don’t worry, robots can’t catch it…

277959 charleyfarley, replying to charleyfarley, 33, #1061 of 2297 🔗

The Court of Appeal has rejected Simon Dolan’s case. He intends to appeal to the Supreme Court.

A dark, dark, day for our country, and our childrens’ futures.

277967 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to charleyfarley, 8, #1062 of 2297 🔗

We go on

277968 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to charleyfarley, 5, #1063 of 2297 🔗

That’s terrible news!

277986 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #1064 of 2297 🔗

Absolutely as we should have been expecting. The judgement will be interesting reading.
Meanwhile I have half an ear on the many Tory MPs who are standing up in the Commons and openly critcising the Government. Of course the tiers will pass later but this is a real shift for the better.

277992 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1065 of 2297 🔗

Why?

278198 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Eddy, #1066 of 2297 🔗

If the courts cannot protect us, who will?

278009 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1068 of 2297 🔗

Clear blue skies and sunshine, here in Sussex. 🙂

278208 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to JohnB, 1, #1069 of 2297 🔗

Same here in Kent, but no sunny uplands in sight!

278113 ▶▶ annie, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1070 of 2297 🔗

Fight on for their sakes.

278201 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to annie, #1071 of 2297 🔗

Agreed. We must fight on, and I will.

278380 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1072 of 2297 🔗

Was the judge Arbuthnot? If so no surprise. Controller of Julian Assange’s kangaroo court.

277961 Dan Clarke, 8, #1073 of 2297 🔗

Tiers are a smokescreen, all they can talk about

277966 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1074 of 2297 🔗

We go on

278218 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1075 of 2297 🔗

‘If you’re going through hell – keep going.’ – Churchill.

279370 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to Cecil B, #1076 of 2297 🔗

“You must go on. I can’t go on. I’ll go on.” Samuel Beckett

277984 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1077 of 2297 🔗

Seems the MPs are valiantly sticking up for their own constituencies but of course that misses the point.
Another genius smokescreen. You’ve got to hand it to the Nudge Unit, they’re good at what they do. It’s a pity they’re on the side of the enemy!

DePiffle: “As we go forward, and I mean this very sincerely, the Government will look at how we can reflect as closely as possible the reality of what is happening on the ground, looking at the incidence of the disease, the human geography and spread of the virus.” Asked if he will commit to a more local Tiered system. Mr Johnson replied: “Yes indeed…we do want to be as granular as possible as we go forward.”

(DT Live)

277998 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1078 of 2297 🔗

can’t believe one of them just spent 5 minutes saying how ridiculous it all is but then ends by saying he’ll back the government!!

278372 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1079 of 2297 🔗

Sabre rattling. Anyway, who would believe Johnson about anything. His promises, as we know, are worthless as he reneques on them at the first opportunity.

278017 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1080 of 2297 🔗

As I said yesterday before receiving some robust comments, SPIN has been one thing the government has executed very well. They have tried to emulate Communist China but fortunately for use they are not that good at it, yet, but the SPIN worked very well.

278027 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, #1081 of 2297 🔗

“Yes indeed…we do want to be as granular as possible as we go forward.”

Street level tiers, anyone?

278207 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1082 of 2297 🔗

Why not houses?

‘In’t it terrible. Guvment’s told us us bedroom’s in Tier 17 but us lounge is in Tier 14, and our Chantelle’s bedroom’s in Tier 12. The bathroom’s on full lockdown so that means Tyson as to use our ensuite as is room’s in Tier 17 as well. Anyroad, I’m just glad t’guvment’s keepin’ us safe.’

278518 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cranmer, #1083 of 2297 🔗

Brilliant! Better hope SAGE aren’t reading this.

278029 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1084 of 2297 🔗

Yeah I reluctantly agree, SPI-B has played a blinder from the start, on the side of evil.

277985 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #1085 of 2297 🔗

Flashback to Summer:
WHO Says Covid-19 Asymptomatic Transmission Is ‘Very Rare’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQTBlbx1Xjs

277991 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to calchas, 9, #1086 of 2297 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible

~Dr Michael Yeadon, Form Pfizer VP ~

277996 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 4, #1087 of 2297 🔗

Very rare is probably still overstating it. Ill people spread infectious diseases. That’s been the conventional wisdom for centuries.

278068 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to calchas, 5, #1088 of 2297 🔗

Not according to Renfrewshire Council they’re actually testing for asymptomatic cases.

I still can’t believe I’m writing this drivel and there is so many educated people believing this crap.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/breaking-johnstone-town-hall-earmarked-23071800

278367 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Just about sane, 1, #1089 of 2297 🔗

It’s down to the healthy then to refuse the tests.

278203 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to calchas, 1, #1090 of 2297 🔗

And so say all the REAL experts, those not in the pockets of big pharma.
Of course, there are those unelected, self-serving, arrogant oiks who don’t want us to believe this. Weren’t they named after something you stuff up a turkey’s bottom?

https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

277989 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #1091 of 2297 🔗

History suggests dictatorships are brought down by mobs not courts

278005 ▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1092 of 2297 🔗

Excellent point!!

278007 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1093 of 2297 🔗

it’s time to get the mob mobilised – seems to be difficult to do as everyone is watching strictly come dancing!

278223 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, #1094 of 2297 🔗

I mentioned elsewhere that Collins on Talk Radio has said something about the Poll Tax riots.

A case in point.

277999 calchas, 11, #1095 of 2297 🔗

Flashbck to Summer – Deborah Cohen on Twitter:

“We had been told by various sources WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying. This point was put to WHO who did not deny ”

https://twitter.com/deb_cohen/status/1282244773030633473

278003 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1096 of 2297 🔗

So the global plan is ‘you will have nothing but be happy’ . Are they demolishing business and making people unemployed to make them dependent on the state, taking your debt from you giving you a Social Payment. Then, if you want something, you work for ‘credits’ their cheap labour plan.

278043 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1097 of 2297 🔗

Yes

278069 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1098 of 2297 🔗

PS. research IMF great financial reset.

278061 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1099 of 2297 🔗

Yep, basically. Literally spending money like it’s going out of fashion. Because it is. Fiat is on it’s last legs.

278123 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to leggy, 5, #1100 of 2297 🔗

It can only explain spending £360 billion on a cold virus.No intention of ever paying it back.

278205 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1101 of 2297 🔗

And sowing the seeds of the next crisis… oh dear we’ve got too much debt. Cue solution: debt default (wiping out pensions), officially switch to Modern Monetary Theory (aka just print money), crypto-currencies (so Government can track & controls all transactions) and universal basic income (provided you do what you’re told).

279005 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to zacaway, #1102 of 2297 🔗

Bingo.

278008 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1103 of 2297 🔗

The pig dictators use of Latin reminds me of Del Boys use of French

278012 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1104 of 2297 🔗

Del Boy was funny though

278015 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Julian, 3, #1105 of 2297 🔗

So is the pig dictator

278139 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1106 of 2297 🔗

Not in quite the same way

278212 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1107 of 2297 🔗

So is the pig dictator”

…but only in the head.

278065 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, 3, #1108 of 2297 🔗

And his heart was in the right place

278108 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 4, #1109 of 2297 🔗

The pig has no heart. Not even a pig’s heart.

278266 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #1110 of 2297 🔗

Also Jack Aubrey – “Neither fish nor fowl nor good red herring.”.

278021 Ceriain, 11, #1111 of 2297 🔗

Beeb live feed:

Labour’s Graham Stringer also provides a reminder that it’s not only the Tories who have rebels on this issue. He plans to vote against the regulations despite his party saying that wouldn’t be in the national
interest.

Not sure if he wants a full lockdown instead, but that’s one…

278022 alw, replying to alw, 12, #1112 of 2297 🔗

From Mike Yeadon

”Labour’s abstention today is interesting. They should oppose as should all MPs. There’s no evidence of a public health crisis nor that one is imminent. Even early in winter, some areas experience pressures on the NHS. That’s neither new nor a justification to restrict activities. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1333679808396587009 )

278041 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 9, #1113 of 2297 🔗

If labour did their job being opposition we would have been back to normal months ago.

Never forget. Both conservatives and labour failed us

278088 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Victoria, 2, #1114 of 2297 🔗

Agreed, I’ve no idea who I’ll ever vote for again!

278105 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Moomin, 4, #1115 of 2297 🔗

I feel the same, Moomin. Millions of voters have just been made politically homeless overnight. Everything is “up in the air” at the moment. If someone had told me In March 2019 that in 9 month’s time I’d seriously be considering voting for UKIP, I’d have deemed them insane. Yet here we are :-((

278221 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Matt The Cat, 2, #1116 of 2297 🔗

Might be worth contacting even at a local level – Labour & Tory Councillors, asking them (hypothetically of course) how they feel about the prospect of a Farage premiership. Because that is what they could end up facilitating at this rate!

278358 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1117 of 2297 🔗

Sorry I could never vote for anything Farage. Too single issue. Too fascist and too blinkered. Governence of a country requires serious thoughtful politicians.

278135 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Moomin, 5, #1118 of 2297 🔗

We will need to consider voting for one of the new parties, I.e. the Reclaim party. We might not agree with everything they stand for but if you spoil a ballot or not vote for another party you indirectly vote for the strongest of either labour or conservative.

278354 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Moomin, 1, #1119 of 2297 🔗

Well if Lawrence Fox gets Reclaim off the ground I’ll vote for that Party otherwise I will vote for anyone else including the Monster Raving Loony Party but never for any mainstream political party or the Greens for that matter.

278204 ▶▶ dhid, replying to alw, 8, #1120 of 2297 🔗

Yeadon deserves a medal. He is consistent in his opposition despite a lot of risk to himself in doing so.

278023 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 25, #1121 of 2297 🔗

Slightly off topic today, but people on this side of the fence need to be prepared/anticipating the impact of utilities shutdowns especially electric grid and therefore communications.
As anger builds they will use this tactic to prevent mass mobilisation of the people. .No news etc except that which we are given.
It will be blamed on “cyber attacks” and will include banks.
Make sure you are able to endure more and increased mayhem next year, and are able to contact sympathetic groups.

278048 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Bill Grates, 11, #1122 of 2297 🔗

I don’t think that’s at all off topic. It’s good advice.

278063 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bill Grates, 11, #1123 of 2297 🔗

The next virus will be a (pretend) cyber virus closing down the web for 24 hours when all of the ‘anti’ sites and some of the ‘anti’ people will disappear.

278262 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, #1124 of 2297 🔗

Some of the ‘anti’ sites. Others are prepared for such shenanigans already.

278117 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bill Grates, 5, #1125 of 2297 🔗

WEF were warning of this.As the economic costs of lockdown become apparent it could be a way of stifling dissent.

278181 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1126 of 2297 🔗

And keep modest amounts of cash in the bank or have multiple accounts. Bail ins are coming to a place near you.

278025 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #1127 of 2297 🔗

How many Labour MPs voting against? Just seen one stand up and make it clear she will

278037 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1128 of 2297 🔗

Second or third one so far (Graham Stringer earlier, and possibly the MP for Slough). She made a very good speech – followed by the fantastic Sir Desmond, and now Sammy Wilson.

278046 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1129 of 2297 🔗

Yeah that was positive to see them specifically mention coercive measures for vaccination to be ruled out.

Sammy mentioned the Marines study in the NEJM!

278049 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 12, #1130 of 2297 🔗

Kudos to Sammy! “We now have project fear on steroids”

278164 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1131 of 2297 🔗

Sammy was terrific. 🙂

He’s so right about all the forgotten people who have died (cancer, hearts attacks, etc) ; “they don’t get read out on the TV every night”. So true.

278040 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1132 of 2297 🔗

That’s two then, I posted that Graham Stringer is voting against.

278116 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1133 of 2297 🔗

Who is she?

278035 alw, replying to alw, 13, #1134 of 2297 🔗
278071 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to alw, 2, #1135 of 2297 🔗

Well, that was a lot about nothing..Like I predicted. So angry that I was 100% right on this. Again..

278085 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to alw, 10, #1136 of 2297 🔗

The only positive thing I would say is had the government lost they would have appealed anyway. This was always going to the supreme court.

278213 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1137 of 2297 🔗

That was my thought… possibly like Trump in the US, people predicted some time ago the ‘lower’ courts may be basically a coin-flip, win some lose some, but necessary to get to the main event…

278036 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 44, #1138 of 2297 🔗

Desmond Swayne tells the House that any coercion to take a vaccine would make the government the most authoritarian since the 1650s.

278039 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #1139 of 2297 🔗

Proper showman and backed up nicely by Steve Baker. Seems that so far it’s about 90% against.

278084 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Anothersceptic2, 17, #1140 of 2297 🔗

What do you mean 90% against? Do you mean those debating in parliament are against? Sorry, but I can’t bring my self to watch it! I think Sir Desmond Swayne is ace! He called masks a ‘monstrous imposition’.

278106 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Moomin, 8, #1141 of 2297 🔗

Most of the MPs that have spoken so far say they’re voting against, Tory, Lab and Lib Dems.

278059 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #1142 of 2297 🔗

He’s wrong there – this is worse than the 1650s.

278078 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TJN, 4, #1143 of 2297 🔗

I suspect what he had in mind was parliament banning Christmas and plays etc. But of course they did not ban people seeing their friends and relatives or try to destroy the economy.

278102 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1144 of 2297 🔗

Or muzzle the entire nation. Or shut down religion.

278110 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to annie, 3, #1145 of 2297 🔗

Actually they were pretty draconian in suppressing some varieties of Christianity.

278192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Hayes, #1146 of 2297 🔗

Cromwell himself was quite tolerant of religious divergences.

278199 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1147 of 2297 🔗

Yes, anything the 1650s Republic did this lot of doing worse.

But the Republican leaders ended up as heads-on-spikes, and the regicides who were tracked down met a grisly end.

278138 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1148 of 2297 🔗

The coercion has been going on for a while now already and is why so many are willing to take a vaccine that could well be more harmful to them then the virus it allegedly protects them from.

Most people have already had the best inoculation going – exposure to the sars-vov2 virus and before that many had already has the second best – exposure to other coronaviruses.

279241 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, #1149 of 2297 🔗

I prefer to call it fascism.

278044 Sir Roderick Spode, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 10, #1150 of 2297 🔗

Perhaps a tsunami of emails to BBC hack Laura Kaunessberg to request she starts doing her job is in order..

278051 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 8, #1151 of 2297 🔗

Could we not request that she stop doing it?

278060 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1152 of 2297 🔗

….and self isolates permanently.

278064 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to dhid, 4, #1153 of 2297 🔗

Excellent addendum.

278073 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1154 of 2297 🔗

Bows and says “I thank you!”

278101 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, #1155 of 2297 🔗

Already tried, the reply I got from her didn’t really address any of my points and no reply to subsequent emails.

278296 ▶▶▶ Sir Roderick Spode, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1156 of 2297 🔗

Ah I see – just thought if she got thousands of emails like the Peter Hitchens campaign to write to MP’S it might at least have the effect of the fragrant hackette realise she is being monitored for her supine performance..

278271 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Sir Roderick Spode, 1, #1157 of 2297 🔗

Laura Cluelessberg

278047 richard riewer, #1158 of 2297 🔗

Mother Google.

278053 stefarm, 3, #1159 of 2297 🔗

Lyrics to Alabaster by All Them Witches

I went without a mask
Dancin on the alabaster
People crowded round
They thought that it was quite obscene
How dare you show your dirty face around these streets
When we all stand here so polished bright and clean
I’ve seen the demon’s face
Nothin’
I’ve seen the toad’s real face
I’ve seen the prison face
Shining like the alabaster
That walked over the mountain

278056 dhid, replying to dhid, 8, #1160 of 2297 🔗

Collins on Talk Radio just mentioned abut the Poll Tax riots.
I’d forgotten about those…hmmm…..

278147 ▶▶ CGL, replying to dhid, 2, #1161 of 2297 🔗

What is required methinks

278067 Dan Clarke, 3, #1162 of 2297 🔗

They encouraged Eat Out, we’re all still here.

278074 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1163 of 2297 🔗

Simon, thanks for your efforts

We go on

278099 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1164 of 2297 🔗

Hear hear.
Took them a long time to corrupt the judges sufficiently, didn’t it?

278075 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 14, #1165 of 2297 🔗

Can anyone supply photos of overwhelmed hospitals, corridors jammed full of patients, people on the floor, empty stores of oxygen, staff in a state of collapse etc. etc.

No? Well let’s have some videos of Tik-Toking nurses. Anything to show us that the NHS itself has not expired, dead on betrayal.

The NHS, this multi-hundred billion socialist boondoggle and Aneurin Bevan brainfart, is unfit for purpose.

And ought to be defunded.

278103 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Stuart, 5, #1166 of 2297 🔗

Hear Hear…well said. Plus they all have just been awarded £500- each, for doing Fuckall apart from claim to be “overwhelmed” & do stupid dances on tiktoc.

278076 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1167 of 2297 🔗

Total rejection? What is going on

278115 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1168 of 2297 🔗

No a few idiots like Alec Shelbrooke at the moment.

278083 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 13, #1169 of 2297 🔗

Derek Twigg, Lab voting against

278100 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1170 of 2297 🔗

Good man, even if the reasons may be ones I don’t agree with.

278133 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1171 of 2297 🔗

Hi NCG! Missed seeing you – though perhaps I haven’t been looking hard enough!

278153 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Charlie Blue, #1172 of 2297 🔗

Hello 🙂 just been very busy with uni work so not been on recently – I’ve done a post above!

278087 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, #1173 of 2297 🔗

What is Grayling going on about

278090 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1174 of 2297 🔗

No confidence in the advice to Lockdown but we need to lockdown.

Something like that?

278094 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1175 of 2297 🔗

He is trying to get back into government.

278120 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1176 of 2297 🔗

God knows. Last I heard, he was about to commence assisting that nice Mr Shapps in sorting out the oncoming juggernaut of chaos and devastation in our container ports.

“This won’t end well”, I told myself.

278342 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Matt The Cat, 2, #1177 of 2297 🔗

Look on the bright side : ‘Failing’ Grayling is a marvelously useful litmus test. You know that anything he backs is a pile of shite.

278089 PaulParanoia, replying to PaulParanoia, 2, #1178 of 2297 🔗

Does anyone have recent links to analysis of Covid ‘cases’ in the USA. Cummins was demonstrating the difference between North and South data a few months back. I’ve not seen much sceptical analysis of US figures since. Is Covid totally out of control there with no push back on the narrative?

278098 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to PaulParanoia, 2, #1179 of 2297 🔗

It depends how you look at it. Testing alone isn’t a good indicator, neither are deaths necessarily as there will be collateral deaths due to lockdowns etc. Also flu has apparently disappeared from the planet so potentially lots of misdiagnoses.

278111 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 13, #1181 of 2297 🔗

Hello all, been busy with uni work recently so haven’t had a chance to hop on here. Glad to hear Swayne etc are speaking out against the government. I emailed my MPs last night at approx 1:30am so they would wake up to my ramblings! I know Peter Bone will vote against so I just gave him some food for thought to discuss with other Tories. Rachael Maskell however – made it very clear she will lose her job if she votes for this, especially as York has such a high percentage of independent small businesses and they will never forget her if they go bust.

278129 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1182 of 2297 🔗

I love York and has some of my favourite pubs. Sadly will not be going for our annual trip in January

278118 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1183 of 2297 🔗

The resistance to the vaccine needs to pick up now or we will be effectively forced to get it via coercion.

Where are the actors/ singers/ footballers with a backbone to stand up and reject this complete overreach by the government. Surely many amongst them must be concerned at where this ends?

278126 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to JHuntz, 6, #1184 of 2297 🔗

You’re preaching to the converted here, which is pointless. Better to take your complaint to those you think should come out in support of your position.

278176 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1185 of 2297 🔗

Suspect there will be a 2-tier society – most of them (certainly past a certain level of wealth) are at no risk. Much like Blair & his cronies reportedly went back & forth to the US and just skipped quarantine regs. Much like some of the MSM presenters are declared exempt from multiple weekly testing.

278121 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1186 of 2297 🔗

The MP for Rothwell (I cannot recall his name) claims that he will vote for the tiers because he cannot countenance the fact that the NHS would otherwise have to turn people away, saying, “Sorry, no room at the inn.”

278127 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #1187 of 2297 🔗

Which, hopefully, is what any local hostelries will say to him if he tries to patronise their establishments (that’s if any survive).

278128 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1188 of 2297 🔗

What a birdbrain. Does he think healthcare is an unlimited resource? Of course people are turned away, but are MORE people being turned away now than in previous years, and what is wrong with the people being turned away, and are the problems with provision this year caused by extra patients or by an artificially induced staff shortage caused by inaccurate mass testing?

278142 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 6, #1189 of 2297 🔗

Apparently he does not know that the NHS has been turning people away en masse since March.

278132 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Steve Hayes, #1190 of 2297 🔗

There’ll be ‘no room’ at any inn for him in future, then.

278134 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1191 of 2297 🔗

Did this eejit raise the issue of NHS overcrowding in previous years?

278144 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1192 of 2297 🔗

To the best of my recollection: no, he did not.

278140 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1193 of 2297 🔗

Bloody half wit, does he not realise the NHS closed in March

278178 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1194 of 2297 🔗

Was it open before then?
Who knew?

278141 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1195 of 2297 🔗

People are being turned away right now. In huge numbers. Biker even reported that on here this week. I had to threaten to phone my GP on his mobile, just to be able to get a phone call back from them. Cunt of Rothwell is not aware of the reality.

278167 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, #1196 of 2297 🔗

Rather like they’ve been doing for some time, then?
It’s as if these dimwits haven’t done any research of their own, or are they just ”acting daft”, as my old Mum used to say?

278122 Esther, replying to Esther, 5, #1197 of 2297 🔗

https://christianconcern.com/news/police-apologise-after-breaking-up-legal-church-broadcast/

Looks like it isn’t just protestors and students that are experiencing heavy-handed police treatment. Nothing new in terms of the police overstepping the mark and not even understanding the law they are supposedly enforcing, so many cases of them having to apologise afterwards to street preachers for harassing them.

278131 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Esther, 1, #1198 of 2297 🔗

It’s fairly obvious ‘the law’ has been papped right out the window.

It’s the new normal after all. They’ve been telling us since day 1.

278159 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Esther, 1, #1200 of 2297 🔗

Absolutely shocking how they treated this pastor. Officers refuse to look at guidelines on his computer when he offered to show them. Looks like this church/pastor was targeted. Treating the pastor like a criminal and then eventually apologised – too little too late

Chief Superintendent Robert France, Gold Commander for Thames Valley Police’s response to coronavirus, said: “It appears… there has been a misunderstanding by our officers of the legislation in place in what is an ever-changing and complex area of enforcement.”

He added: “There has been a mistake in the issuing of this ticket and I would like to apologise for the distress I know this is likely to have caused.”

278125 Darryl, 1, #1201 of 2297 🔗

If only the masses realise the tricks the social engineers in positions of power play on us to get us to conform. Clearly given the viewing numbers many do realise the psychological tricks but have still been completely taken in this year.

This short video is an interesting example of conditioning, I am sure many on here are aware of this but it is the first time I have seen this example –

Social Conformity – Brain Games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8BkzvP19v4

Would love to know if there are any other good examples to try to show people they have been brainwashed.

278143 Liam, replying to Liam, 23, #1203 of 2297 🔗

Charles Walker is a good man.

278152 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Liam, 14, #1204 of 2297 🔗

I think he knows exactly what’s going on too. Making speeches in parliament about the darkness falling over us.

278154 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to leggy, 8, #1205 of 2297 🔗

It must be annoying to be seen as part of the system when he clearly knows what is actually going on.

278177 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, 8, #1206 of 2297 🔗

It’s a dilemma that many will face. I suspect some in the police and medical profession also. Do you refuse to comply with what you know is wrong, and lose your livelihood (and any influence you might have to change things) or try to change things from within, at the risk of being complicit in tyranny?

278156 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to leggy, 11, #1207 of 2297 🔗

He appears to be a good man and understand the loss of freedom, but after being let down by the likes of Steve Baker, I wouldn’t pin my hopes on anyone in parliament.

278155 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Liam, 5, #1208 of 2297 🔗

Always copy him and Sir Des and Sir Graham now when I email my ditsy mp

278200 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liam, 5, #1209 of 2297 🔗

It was a lovely speech…again.

“Not all deaths are a tragedy.” He is so right.

I have known many elderly people who have died and it was a good thing for not only them, but for their families; simply because they had finally been released from the pain and suffering that they were experiencing.

278222 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1210 of 2297 🔗

Yes. I remember my late father in law lying sick and dying in a hospital bed. We sat around him and managed to get a big of a laugh out of him, even managed to give him a tot of whisky. I remember hoping he would slip away quietly in that happy moment rather than endure more pain and indignity.

278249 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1211 of 2297 🔗

That’s precisely how I would describe the death of my Gran a couple of years ago. She had Alzheimer’s and who knows what else. The last year to 6 months of her life were horrible and of no point whatsoever.

278330 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, 4, #1212 of 2297 🔗

My mother died in 2016 (92). I have only been glad that she never had to suffer lockdown in her (brilliant) Care Home.

278292 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1213 of 2297 🔗

This has been one of the things that has made me angry over this whole debacle. The desperate attempt to prolong lives which no longer have any quality whatsoever. IMO this is legislated for by middle-aged people who have not come to terms with their own mortality, and supported by some whose income relies on elder care.

278145 Salopian, 23, #1214 of 2297 🔗

According to the Telegraph ,lockdown has caused a massive 50 % spike in the rat population with so called super rats .

The infestation has taken over parliament local governments and the police.

If you encounter a super rat it will scurry away but they can be dangerous in packs for, example ,attacking innocent passersby in London at the weekend.

They also spread vile disease which infects the brain causing victims to wear masks & become ‘like zombies’.

A Rentokil spokesman said they working on a ‘world beating poison ‘which would be rolled out shortly to eradicate the vermin .

278148 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 4, #1215 of 2297 🔗

Let’s just suppose that those Norwegian figures for the IFR reported above the line are accurate, and reflective of Scandinavia as a whole. According to Worldometers, Sweden has had 6,798 covid deaths so far and a population of 10,124,317. That means:

  • Implied number of infections = 6,798/0.0012 = 5,665,000
  • Proportion of population infected = 5,665,000/10,124,317 = 56%

Surely they must be at or near the herd immunity threshold by now?

278190 ▶▶ Will, replying to mattghg, 1, #1216 of 2297 🔗

They are. Look at the actual data and their minor seasonal blip is nearly over.

278232 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Will, #1217 of 2297 🔗

Deaths do seem to have been flat for about a week. I’m just a little wary of speaking too soon because I already felt sure they’d hit the HIT earlier in autumn, only for this ‘seasonal blip’ to kick in. Hopefully that doesn’t happen again.

278253 ▶▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to mattghg, 2, #1218 of 2297 🔗

I assume the ‘Blip’ is simply people who died of flu and got false positives for Rona. That seems to be the way. I doubt more than a bare handful have actually died of Covid

278240 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to mattghg, 2, #1219 of 2297 🔗

They didn’t have 6,798 covid deaths. Lots of those are PCR false positives.

278247 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to kenadams, #1220 of 2297 🔗

In which case they might be further from herd immunity than I thought!

278255 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to mattghg, 1, #1221 of 2297 🔗

Doesn’t matter though because it’s not a very dangerous disease!

278324 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, #1222 of 2297 🔗

Never – ever – take ‘Covid’ (anything) figures at face value. From the start, there has been no direct way of assessing the impact of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. And that suits the government.

As to the reliable ‘all-cause’ mortality, it’s up by about a predictable 300 in Week 46.

278150 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 29, #1223 of 2297 🔗

Just visited my small local garage to have an MOT done. They’ve always done good work for me. Pulled up and saw aggressive mask signage plastered on the door. Drove off.

I’ll now take it to Halfords where I know I won’t get any grief. Why do small businesses do this to themselves? They cannot gain any additional customers from it and only drive people over to the big players who, on the whole, have made it clear that they accept exemptions.

278158 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #1224 of 2297 🔗

Rock and a hard place, you drove off for that reason but other brainwashed idiots would drive off if they didn’t see masks!

278168 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, 26, #1225 of 2297 🔗

When I was on holiday I saw a cafe on Trip Advisor that had lots of reviews praising their over-the-top ‘Covid Safety’ measures, and how great it was that their family was kept ‘safe’ while guzzling cakes there. If you’re so scared of Covid, why the effing jeff are you out in cafes?

278183 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1226 of 2297 🔗

cognitive dissonance

278191 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cranmer, 11, #1227 of 2297 🔗

Especially considering that type-2 diabetes is a much greater threat to their health than the ‘rona.

278252 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1228 of 2297 🔗

Overt virtue signalling and novelty fetishism.

278268 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to G.Fawkes, 9, #1229 of 2297 🔗

It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how health and safety works. They think that protective clothing, sanitary measures are the first step, but they are not – the first step in H&S is to remove yourself from a dangerous situation wherever possible. If they genuinely believe Covid is being spread in public, their first step should be to remove themselves from public situations! But they just want to have their cake and eat it (in both senses of the phrase).

278248 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Anothersceptic2, 8, #1230 of 2297 🔗

The hilarious irony being that they took a greater statistical risk driving to the garage than the risk of dying from the Rona.

Humans aren’t very good at gauging risk. Sheep even less so.

278163 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1231 of 2297 🔗

Like you I have seen, and done, the same thing.

It baffles me why they do it.

I can only assume they watch the BBC.

278165 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 11, #1232 of 2297 🔗

Sorry to hear this. I have just had my car serviced at a local garage and although some signs were in place (box-ticking) there were no face-nappies and anti-social distancing was NOT observed.
Obviously it varies from place to place.

278175 ▶▶ anon, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1233 of 2297 🔗

for your own good try another local garage

anything but halfords

278226 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to anon, #1234 of 2297 🔗

Good point, I tend to avoid ‘fast fit’ places as I like my car to pass its MOT without being recommended shock absorbers that I don’t need…

278196 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1235 of 2297 🔗

Strangely I have had a better experience through out this nonsense with the independents as opposed to the chains. If it was me, I would have bluffed it as I have done on a few occasions where the mask signage appeared aggressive.

278215 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1236 of 2297 🔗

I might do this tomorrow. Couldn’t be bothered with the potential aggravation today but I don’t really like using chain garages for anything other than tyres and exhausts!

278256 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1237 of 2297 🔗

I forgot to mention this earlier, but you might find it a bit different inside. The signs might only be there to ‘tick the boxes’ or because a local authority jobsworth has visited.

278260 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1238 of 2297 🔗

Unfortunately every public facing business has to have these signs by law. The owner of the takeaway place I often visit told me if he didn’t have that sign and the one for test and trace he would be fined or closed down. He knows it’s all a con but what can he do he has to keep his business running by complying.

278151 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 43, #1239 of 2297 🔗

TO ANYONE WHO IS/WOULD BACK VACCINE ‘MEASURES’…

Please understand that by backing vaccines as a means to end this is the ultimate insult to this site and cause. There shouldn’t be any lockdowns ever, not just because there isn’t a very expensive ill-tested vaccine yet.

If this is mandated or coerced and you get it please note that by doing so you will be guaranteeing that it happens time and again, you will show that fear and coercion work. Then where to go…heart disease, drinking, meat eating, obesity, they will all be ‘mandated’ against in some way. Truly this is the first major step towards a nanny-state you wouldn’t believe.

RESIST TYRANNY!

278161 ▶▶ leggy, replying to TheBigman, 10, #1240 of 2297 🔗

Too true. This is just one of the opening battles of a war against the people.

278169 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheBigman, 8, #1241 of 2297 🔗

Have to agree. Vaccines being introduced when the pandemic is long over and lockdowns did nothing to help the natural course of it is simply admitting defeat. They know this.

278658 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to TheBigman, 1, #1242 of 2297 🔗

Yours is the single most important and correct comment I have seen either above or below the line on this site. Nothing else but the point you make matters. I am deadly serious about this because it is deadly serious. The pontificating tossertariat can cry all day about the injustice of lockdowns, but if they ignore the existential danger to a normal way of life that accepting coerced pharmaceutical intervention poses, they are part of the problem. So please continue to shout this loud and wide, or we have no future.

278162 Bert, #1244 of 2297 🔗

https://twitter.com/dierenbach/status/1333529810505789441?s=21

Excellent analysis for the US, i’m sure comparable for the UK.

278166 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1245 of 2297 🔗

Request from Bournemouth demonstrators:

In the meantime, maybe come to Bournemouth for a beachfront meditation on the befits of being a protester. Please. The people who were high jacked and kidnapped on the way to London last week end would appreciate your support down here.

Unfortunately, I can’t find any more info!

278171 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1246 of 2297 🔗

Can’t offer a source but, plod in Bournemouth are bad MFs.

Well and truly contaminated.

278186 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dhid, 3, #1247 of 2297 🔗

Well their MP is linked to 77th.

278172 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1248 of 2297 🔗

I can understand the judges decision

They can quite rightly say to us, hang on a minute you voted these people in to make the laws, now they are making the laws.

Not our fault you don’t like the laws. It’s not our job to make laws we just interpret them

They will also have realised that they might have fallen into the trap of giving the pig dictator a get out of jail free card.

If they had kicked out the virus laws it’s open to the pig dictator to say ‘hey I tried to protect you but those pesky judges stopped me. All these new deaths have been caused by the judges’

It’s bubbling away nicely, and it’s only going one way

278261 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1249 of 2297 🔗

Yes, whilst I admire Mr Dolan’s stand, the case was really about the legal process of enforcing lockdown, not the legitimacy of it in the first place. On Mr Dolan’s crowdfunding page they admit this was not the best tactic, but they have led the way in challenging HM Govt. and there will be more cases to come. As I can’t go to the pub quiz as I would normally on a Tuesday, before the Eclipse, I have contributed my beer money to the defence fund.

278263 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, #1250 of 2297 🔗

An interesting way of looking at it

While I hoped that the Dolan case would succeed (which it still might as they are appealing to the Supreme Court) I always thought this was and should have been primarily a political decision

That said, I also believe in the rule of law and agree with Lord Sumption’s assessment that the 1984 Public Health Act has been misused

278173 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #1251 of 2297 🔗

Simon Clarke, Red Wall Tory, putting his career prospects over the interests of his constituents. Shame on him.

278184 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1252 of 2297 🔗

Well he knows he is toast next election. Better to go for the extra bunce of a junior ministers post for four years

278237 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1253 of 2297 🔗

Next election, there won’t be another election the great reset won’t allow it.

278179 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 6, #1254 of 2297 🔗

Never voted tory in my life and after reading this I’m now certain the loonies in Scotland are running the asylum.
As if it’s not bad enough that the SNP are trying to buy votes by giving all those (sarcasm here) ‘hard working’ nhs staff £500 bonus, the tory leader in Scotland wants it upped to cover the tax they would need to pay on it. The SNP want Westminster to allow them this bonus tax free.

“The leader of the Tories in Scotland, Douglas Ross, called on Ms Sturgeon to top-up the payment immediately “and stop playing politics with the pandemic”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55146726

Beem me up Scotty please take me away from this madness.

278188 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Just about sane, 4, #1255 of 2297 🔗

Let’s hope some of them do the right thing and donate to private sector businesses devastated by this. If I were still employed by NHS I would do so.

278234 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Just about sane, 1, #1256 of 2297 🔗

Have they not had enough free pizza’s and fish suppers.

278280 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to stefarm, #1257 of 2297 🔗

No, nor 10% off at Morrisons along with the school teachers, nor special entry to supermarkets at special times.

278321 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Just about sane, 5, #1258 of 2297 🔗

Unbelievable. They spend most of the year completely underwhelmed being stood down on full pay because there’s not enough work and in the meantime 2m have joined the dole queue and growing. Small businesses have collapsed and all in the name of protecting t he NHS and they are going to get a bonus for err, doing their job. Absolutely disgusting, shocking and a two fingers to everyone who has lost their jobs because of their incompetence.

278566 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1259 of 2297 🔗

It’s bonkers isn’t it. Average NHS pay stats – “ The mean annual earnings per person were £33,626 in the 12 month period up to the end of March 2020.
This is £958 (2.9%) more than in March 2019.” taken from: https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/nhs-staff-earnings-estimates/march-2020-provisional-statistics
They’re not exactly starving are they?! The stats on child poverty in Scotland make for depressing reading. If they have spare cash why isn’t it going somewhere that actually needs it?!

278182 wendy, replying to wendy, 9, #1260 of 2297 🔗

RISE UP MANCHESTER anti lockdown protest in Manchester this coming Sunday 6th at 1pm. On Rise Up Manchester Twitter it says meeting place will be confirmed 30 minutes before. It’s to be a march or walk about I think.

If anyone can put the poster up that would be great… I don’t have the technology skills!!

278206 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to wendy, 13, #1262 of 2297 🔗

What I would do, if I was the organiser of this march is, target the BBC offices in media city. They are the fear, propaganda spreader and are complicit in the destruction of the social fabric of this once great nation. See how the BBC would like a mass demonstration turning up at it offices. Just saying!

278314 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #1263 of 2297 🔗

Not just the BBC SKY ITV C4 and C5 are just as bad.

278214 ▶▶ PWL, replying to wendy, 2, #1264 of 2297 🔗

Peaceful, non violent walk. As everyone is entitled to do.

Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

278244 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to wendy, 1, #1265 of 2297 🔗

Here’s the poster.

278185 PWL, replying to PWL, 5, #1266 of 2297 🔗

A stage managed, safe rebellion to keep you interested in their system.

Prohibition And Covid-19; Part Two: The Great Reset Is Socialism

278193 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to PWL, #1267 of 2297 🔗

Unfortunately true, all theatre.

278194 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PWL, #1268 of 2297 🔗

Socialism only ever applies to the 99% of course.

278300 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PWL, -1, #1269 of 2297 🔗

It’s one one the few amusements of the time to watch the right desperately trying to blame ‘socialism’ for this scam originating in the right-wing of the Hayekian unregulated global capital lobby.

I think ‘cognitive dissonance’ is the best description – but it’s hilarious to watch the contortions.

278335 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 1, #1270 of 2297 🔗

I think it’s just that people nowadays tend to associate authoritarianism with the left, rather than the right, which nowadays tends to err more on the side of libertarianism.

279361 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #1271 of 2297 🔗

Oh dear Rick you are awful…but we love you!

278197 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 11, #1272 of 2297 🔗

calls for a zero covid strategy from stupid labour MP (streatham I think) – what a moron – but at leasts she will vote against!

278216 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to vargas99, 22, #1273 of 2297 🔗

Absolutely brilliant logic: “I’m going to vote against your ruinous lockdown policy because it’s not ruinous enough”

278219 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to vargas99, 5, #1274 of 2297 🔗

The cure for lockdown is more lockdown.

278229 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to vargas99, 3, #1275 of 2297 🔗

Sounded like she would abstain, not vote against. Coward.

278322 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to vargas99, -3, #1276 of 2297 🔗

To be fair she has a point. Either shut the borders and do it properly, Chinese Style, or don’t do it at all.

This messing around in middle is the worst of all worlds and satisfies nobody

278362 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1277 of 2297 🔗

That might have worked before the disease gained a foothold but not now.

278387 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Chicot, 4, #1278 of 2297 🔗

Even then it would have only prolonged the inevitable. Virus gonna virus.

278539 ▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1279 of 2297 🔗

Exactly. What is NZ going to do now? Stayed isolated forever?!

278323 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to vargas99, 1, #1280 of 2297 🔗

Laughable

278217 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basileus, 4, #1282 of 2297 🔗

That’s very good.

278220 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basileus, 16, #1283 of 2297 🔗

Very good indeed. Deserves posting here.

278281 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to leggy, 2, #1284 of 2297 🔗

That’s very good. Could Mabel Cow possibly knock one up with the UK spelling? Pretty please.

278334 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to steph, 1, #1285 of 2297 🔗

Humble request for same!

278382 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to steph, 2, #1286 of 2297 🔗

Yes please! I’ll put it on my front door.

278463 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to steph, #1287 of 2297 🔗

Especially as “everyone needs good neighbours”…

Sorry could’t resist…
Ducks and leaves…

278211 Will, replying to Will, 5, #1288 of 2297 🔗

Has anyone seen any evidence that a single UK student has died with covid since September?

278227 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Will, 7, #1289 of 2297 🔗

Nope. I didn’t think evidence mattered any more though.

278228 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Will, 2, #1290 of 2297 🔗

There have been a few logged, but of course no actual 100% proof of what they died from (unless they got hit by a bus, or murdered, or shot etc.).

278236 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Will, 7, #1291 of 2297 🔗

i think there has been more suicides due to lockdown than deaths due to covid

278243 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Will, 6, #1292 of 2297 🔗

We seem to have reached a point similar to that in the First World War when soldiers just stopped questioning the point of it all. ‘We’re here because we’re here because we’re here,’ as the song went.

278224 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #1293 of 2297 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/la-county-supervisor-eats-restaurant-hours-after-voting-ban-outdoor-dining

The latest politician who can’t be bothered with the rules she imposes on little people is former Hollywood actress Sheila Kuehl: the Los Angeles County Supervisor, a Democrat, ate outdoors at Il Forno Trattoria in Santa Monica, just hours after casting the deciding vote to ban all outdoor dining in the county last week.”
……

“Kuehl said during a recent Board of Supervisors meeting that outdoor dining is “a most dangerous situation,” saying she felt there was a risk of transmission of the virus from unmasked customers to their masked waiters and waitresses.”

278233 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to calchas, 11, #1294 of 2297 🔗

I’ve said this before but worth repeating – this is one way in which the lockdowns will eventually fail. More and more stories like this will come out. The ruling class is NOT going to stay in lockdown, they will attend parties, balls, dinners etc more and more and with today’s hidden cameras and the internet, everyone will be able to see this and even the most dunderheaded Coronanist may start to question the rules.

278246 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1295 of 2297 🔗

Indeed. Fox news full of similar stories

278275 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1296 of 2297 🔗

Hopefully more blatant in the run up to Christmas.

278290 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1297 of 2297 🔗

Indeed – just yesterday it was Rita Ora. What’s the point of being rich, if you can’t have any fun? Most rich people don’t have power. Bill Gates/Hancock get off on the power, so they love this. All the luvies in the media are currently getting off on it because they like sounding good on twitter and feeling virtuous. But it will begin to pale, and they will begin to break the rules. We just need to keep on outing them.

278328 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kenadams, 1, #1298 of 2297 🔗

Exactly! You would have to be a billionaire in order to be able to organise, say, a large house party and keep it completely secret – even then it would be difficult, as most modern servant-less people are unaware of the saying ‘pas devant les domestiques.’

The vast sub-class of millionaires and their hangers on – who depend on conspicious consumption – will not be able to sustain lockdown for much longer.

Indeed I wonder how long it will be before some Z list celebrity is encouraged by his or her agent to break lockdown simply to get noticed!

278235 Ramage, replying to Ramage, 46, #1299 of 2297 🔗

A few observations today:

  • Watching the live stream from Westminster, it is truly horrifying just how low calibre the great majority of MPs are. With a few notable exceptions (Walker/Redwood etc) the swamp needs a wholesale clearout and pronto. This must involve never voting for one of the “mainstram” parties again. The only hope is for a challenger party that uses social media to directly access voters. Fingers crossed.
  • I am just listening to some real time nonsense from the Labour MP for Streatham saying we haven’t had enough lockdown…a bit like someone from Venezuala, whilst eating their pet hamster for dinner, saying without a hint of irony that the problem is that it wasn’t socialist enough. She hasn’t got even a hint of brainpower to step back and ponder why London, a city of 9 million people, is unquestionably already at herd immunity.

Finally a positive and an encouragement to everyone. Have the confidence to ditch the mask. I was in Kingston this morning and needed to pick something up from the Apple store (shame on me I know for supporting the global technocracy!). The shopping centre, that should have been busy on the 1st December in the run up to Christmas, was a depressing zombie laden ghost town. A handful of nervous looking people, all masked up.

I made the decision to walk in maskless – I am asthmatic, and don’t feel great wearing one. After initially feeling like a criminal, I realised it was actually fine. I smiled and said hello to a few people. They seemed to appreciate it.

I got to the store…three security guards, and an army of apple staff. All masked. “Have you got a mask mate?”. “No, I’m exempt”….was waiting for a challenge from one of the security guards. Nothing. “OK mate no worries, stand over there and I’ll get your stuff”.

All fine. I walked back to the car, maskless, feeling totally liberated.

It made me really reflect that the masks are such a negative and powerful tool of repression. This would all end tomorrow if eveyone said “enough” and threw thier masks in the bin. To feel grateful for not covering my face was a stark reminder of the freedoms that have been taken away.

I am so angry about what the government is doing. The people responsible must eventually be held accountable. We must all keep going and not give up the fight…having watched Ivor Cummins latest video last night (eveyone should), the evidence that there is no link between lockdowns and deaths is simply irrefutable. We are in the right and must keep going – our childrens futures depend on it.

278242 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ramage, 11, #1300 of 2297 🔗

What worries me is that in the 6+ months of this hardly any understand anything about the numbers, and none of them seem to know that a case does not equate to an ill or infectious person. So many reference them as infections, when they can be anything but.

278257 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1301 of 2297 🔗

It’s because it’s all deliberately confusing and obfuscating. Pure doublespeak.

278258 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Anothersceptic2, 10, #1302 of 2297 🔗

Quite. The numbers are irrelevant to the muppets. The only thing that matters to them is what other people are doing.

Encouraging bare faces is probably the most productive thing we can do right now. The muppets need to see our smiles. Thumbs up for Ramage.

278269 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #1303 of 2297 🔗

The only thing that matters to them is what other people are doing .

Or saying, Mabel. I am heartily sick of people who tell me that ‘so-and-so told them this’, or ‘so-and-so told them that’.

I ask, “What about you? What do you think? What’s your opinion?”
They reply, “Well, so-and-so told me…”

I despair, I really do. ;(

278291 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1304 of 2297 🔗

According to a book I like , asking a person to explain what caused them to think what they think is the only way to deprogramme them. They have to doubt their own certainty first; only then they will be open to finding their own answers.

278299 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1305 of 2297 🔗

sounds like a good read. Maybe it will help me make some headway with my parents & friends who are in the totally brainwashed camp. Thank you for the recommendation!

278359 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1306 of 2297 🔗

I rarely smile in shops, unless I see a similarly unmasked shopper.

278270 ▶▶▶ Ramage, replying to Anothersceptic2, 11, #1307 of 2297 🔗

Totally…they are still talking about “not enough testing”, or “not enough lockdown” or “not enough economic support”.

None of them have grasped the central nub of it:

  • People without symptoms almost certainly don’t transmit (the biggest lie of the whole thing is “don’t be a silent killer”)
  • You shouldn’t test people with no symptoms
  • A “case” is when someone presents for medical care with a need…a “case” isn’t a test result

One of our son’s 11 year old friends is now off school for two weeks having “caught covid”…some further enquiries revealed that one child had tested positive in his year…whole year has then been forced to have tests. He came up positive. How do you feel? “Oh absolutely fine, feel completely normal”

The insanity continues…

278620 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ramage, 1, #1308 of 2297 🔗

Yep. I hear you. Smacking my head against the wall today, virtually the same situation with a friend’s children – one kid in a year group tests +ve, zero symptoms, of course dozens of kids now off school isolating as a result. My friend has other children in the same school (different years) now they also have to stay home, because they can’t go to school if one in the household is supposed to be isolating!

My friend is trying to get someone at the school to look at some proper info re: the test, eg. Yeadon, also the fact that the DHSC admitted it goes not diagnose infections! (per Awkward Git’s FOIA) I suspect this is the place where any traction needs to get hold – schools & businesses need to seriously question this at local level.

278278 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ramage, 4, #1309 of 2297 🔗

just how low calibre the great majority of MPs are”

The superstition of authority. We seem to think that if we give average/below average humans the title ‘government’ it somehow imbues them with superpowers, when they are, infact, just average grifting wankers with expense accounts. Entirely pointless, save to make the sheep feel safe.

278279 ▶▶ tinxx, replying to Ramage, 5, #1310 of 2297 🔗

I think that the best single way to protest against this authoritarian process would be for everyone to simply stop wearing masks in tiers 2 and 3.

278286 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ramage, 5, #1311 of 2297 🔗

The latest Ivor Cummins video is very interesting on masks. Although, sticking to a scientific approach, I wouldn’t want to make a lot of a loose association – the curve of deaths/infections actually shows a negative correlation with the imposition of mask wearing.

As one of the contributors points out, however, that evidence requires that mask advocates have to make a case – not the opposition to the measure.

… and they clearly can’t.

https://youtu.be/m121hAiREvc

278375 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to RickH, 3, #1312 of 2297 🔗

I just listened to it and that was the bit that stuck out to me as well. There was NO reason for infections to go up in the middle of a heat wave in summer. And yes, we all know that correlation does not equal causation, but someone needs to explain why the only correlation between any of the non-pharmaceutical interventions was a negative correlation between the mask mandate and an increase in infections leading to death. My best guess: bacterial pneumonia being registered as Covid.

278341 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Ramage, 8, #1313 of 2297 🔗

It’s both nerve-racking and liberating going places without a mask on. I’ve been pottering about a little bit to the local small supermarket, chippy, homebase and even on (mostly empty) trains occasionally without any questions. I find the trick is to avoid eye-contact with anyone in a mask, just pretend they don’t exist, and smile at staff who are uncovered (and occasionally other rebels).

And generally just try and ignore the rules as far as possible. Because they are completely mad, as The Matrix of Rules illustrates:
https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1333402021190397955

278239 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 50, #1314 of 2297 🔗

Out and about with MrsAwkward and were eavesdropping on a group standing chatting while we were having a cup of tea and bacon sandwich.

Total unmitigated twaddle they were spouting, brain dead, no critical thinking, only MSM platitudes and soundbites etc, you lot know the score.

Mrs Awkward turns round once they waddle off and says “why are you fighting so hard to give these idiots their freedoms back? They don’t know what they have lost and won’t know what to do with it once they get it back again, too stupid”

My answer: “because I am doing it for me and others like me, to get my freedom back unfortunately this lot have to get it to”.

278259 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #1315 of 2297 🔗

I know the feeling, AG. I always say that the sun shines on the righteous – and the undeserving get the benefit.

278272 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1316 of 2297 🔗

A question I have asked myself.

Right answer.

278282 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1317 of 2297 🔗

I overheard two women having a similarly vacuous conversation yesterday,some child in one of their daughters class has got ‘it’,’oh dear,not good’.’are they sure ?”yes,confirmed’.’oh,no’ etc.,etc.,I thought bloody hell,we are sharing a planet with these people.

278288 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Paul, 4, #1318 of 2297 🔗

More worryingly they can vote.

278305 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1319 of 2297 🔗

That reminds me very much of conversations I have with the memsahib – she hates people like that and thinks I’m a wishy-washy liberal for having even the slightest concern for their welfare!

278329 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1320 of 2297 🔗

.I son’t give a stuff if every zombie in Britain hides under the bed till it rots. I want freedom for those who know what the word means.

278511 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to annie, 3, #1321 of 2297 🔗

They’ll be queueing up for the jab. That might thin the herd quite a bit.

278640 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 1, #1322 of 2297 🔗

Nor I. I reserve my ire for those who come out and presume to lecture the rest of us on how we should live our lives.

278349 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1323 of 2297 🔗

Ah, the joys of NPC sheeples, although I have strong immunity from prolonged exposure to the professional variety.

278241 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 13, #1324 of 2297 🔗

Thanks to everyone for summarising what’s going on in parliament, so I don’t have to even think about watching it myself…

278245 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to mattghg, 5, #1325 of 2297 🔗

So far a massive proportion of speakers are against.

278265 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1326 of 2297 🔗

Why would you want to put your face out there if you were for, they know exactly what they are voting for. Plus they know they can’t make a coherent argument for the measures, just “save the NHS, save lives.”

278274 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1327 of 2297 🔗

Yes – but the complicit will just be keeping quiet.

278320 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1328 of 2297 🔗

Those who support will not bother to turn up.

278332 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to mattghg, 2, #1329 of 2297 🔗

I have watched / listened and concluded that it’s over. Whatever faith you had in any of these processes has been wiped away. Lockdown 4.0 in January. Hang your hat on this.

I am absolutely not sure at all what life I am saving by seeing my family income decimated. Perhaps when my house is repossessed it will be given to another family who needs it more ?

278251 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 13, #1330 of 2297 🔗

I wonder how businesses will be able to legally exclude serving unvaccinated people, possible only anyway after everyone would have been offered one, when they can’t even do so if someone doesn’t wear a mask and says he/she is exempt?!
Not much thinking taking place, me thinks.
As ever.

278283 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Jay Berger, 17, #1331 of 2297 🔗

That is our greatest strength. Not a lot of thinking taking place.The whole thing is now a ponzi scheme of lies which is starting to collapse. Hence the massive propaganda about a vaccine. I’m not too worried about the vaccine because there will be big legal cases which the public will easily win. It’s all propaganda. They are unable to stand up and say they have made one humongous mistake so now they are touting the vaccine as the saviour. BS of course. But, the sheeples will lap it up although no-one here where I live is going to take it and the average age is 76yrs.

278371 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #1332 of 2297 🔗

It’s a positive take.

Never forget Zahawi has felt so emboldened by his cronies that he said he wanted it though. It demonstrates the mindset of these dangerous people.

278297 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1333 of 2297 🔗

I don’t think that a mandatory vaccine that excluded people from goods and services would stand up to a legal case, particularly a class action. There is a long way to go before the government could insist on this. Documentation and record keeping would be a nightmare if systems are not put in place at the start of a vaccination programme.

278355 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1334 of 2297 🔗

Also if you vaccinate just to use that business can you then sue if you suffer adverse reactions?

278384 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #1335 of 2297 🔗

Its another reason for the destruction of small businesses up and down the country. How many of them would turn away business just because you haven’t got a qr code on your phone. Same situation as the track and trace. The bigger the business the more likely they are to comply and enforce government directions.

278506 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Mike, 1, #1336 of 2297 🔗

The latest figure I saw for the proportion of refuseniks in the UK was 34%. Even Tesco would balk at losing a third of its customers.

278254 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 19, #1337 of 2297 🔗

The “Global Health Security” team at The Telegraph must be one of the most hated and dishonest sections of propaganda anywhere in the mainstream media today. Bought and paid for by Bill Gates for a hefty price tag of £3.5 million, this squalid arrangement, has brought a once highly respectable newspaper down to its knees. The DT shall go the way of the BBC and not many now will mourn its demise.

278273 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to nickbowes, 9, #1338 of 2297 🔗
278287 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1339 of 2297 🔗

The trouble is not enough subscribers are cancelling to wipe out the benefit of the Gates bribe.

278333 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Darryl, 6, #1340 of 2297 🔗

On the bright side – the comments at the DT are great most days.

278295 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, 10, #1341 of 2297 🔗

“Global Health Security” = Medico fascism.

Newspeak.

278331 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1342 of 2297 🔗

“health security” and “biosecurity” are definite buzzphrases of the coronamafia.

278276 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 15, #1344 of 2297 🔗

https://2020news.de/dr-wodarg-und-dr-yeadon-beantragen-den-stopp-saemtlicher-corona-impfstudien-und-rufen-zum-mitzeichnen-der-petition-auf/

Drs. Mike Yeadon and Wolfgang Wodarg, who have also co authored the recent study that crushes the PCR test and demands the retraction of the Drosten article and test, have applied with the EMA to have the vaccine trials stopped immediately until various safety questions (ADE, infertility risk for women/girls due to (in layman’s terms and translation) similarity of the placenta building protein with the Coronavirus spike= the antibodies produced to kill Coronaviruses might also kill the placenta building proteins once a woman impregnated! etc.) are answered.

They have added an email petition to the EMA which should be sent off by as many people as possible.
The link to the email/petition (in English) is embedded at the end of this summarizing article (in German).

278363 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Jay Berger, #1345 of 2297 🔗

Done.

278284 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 38, #1347 of 2297 🔗

One of the very few Labour MPs actually using their brain

278289 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to TheBluePill, 14, #1348 of 2297 🔗

Fantastic – very clear and concise in his opposition – where are the rest of the MPs with a conscience?

278298 ▶▶ JYC, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #1349 of 2297 🔗

So simple, yet so obvious. How is it that so many others, from all parties, can’t see this?

278301 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 14, #1350 of 2297 🔗

This Govt’s most powerful weapon against the lives and well being of the people of this country in the past year has been the BBC. Every restriction , every report of deaths and “cases” has been shrilly broadcast to support the Govt.
Why is this , given the inherent anti – tory bias of the BBC ?
Well for one thing the present Govt is as far from traditional Conservative values as it is possible to get .But mainly it is because the restrictions, the threat to jobs and pensions and salaries can never affect them . BBC staff can roam where and when they want during lockdowns, and no one loses their job even when, outside, the jobless total swells to unimaginable levels.
However they have now reached an impasse. All the BBC rhetoric so far as been heading towards forcing people to be vaccinated. The reasons why any sensible person would refuse have been given here repeatedly and do not need to be restated . I can think of nothing worse than seeing my children and especially grandchildren, so happy , fit and painfree at present reduced to a painful and crippled future by the botched, experimental vaccines . This is the one area where the BBC staff will have to suffer the same consequences as the rest of us. Perhaps this is the point at which they will join forces with the rest of us and become “refusniks” and broadcast to the nation the potential massive risks of the vaccination programme. It would stop that programme almost instantly I suspect, or at least hope.

278337 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1351 of 2297 🔗

Isn’t Toby’s Ofcom case being discussed in the next few days?

278400 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to mikewaite, 5, #1352 of 2297 🔗

The problem is I suspect that they are so involved in the cult, not just of covid but of general wokery, that they would put their own children in danger in support of their politics.

278443 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1353 of 2297 🔗

Remember that the BBC cannot function unless it has viewers and listeners. These have been deserting the Corporation in droves in the last few years; and those that remain are dying off. The Covid panic is a gift to them, because it enables them to recapture audience numbers and to act as the ‘voice of the nation’ as if it is still 1940.

278499 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1354 of 2297 🔗

It would be easy to demonstrate that anyone has a vaccine. But consider the possibility that not all jabs might be the same. Some, for “important people” might just be saline for example, whilst the rest of us peasants receive the dodgy alternative lemsip.

278302 steph, replying to steph, 20, #1355 of 2297 🔗

Many of us are understandably upset by the failure of the Simon Dolan JR. It is particularly disappointing that it took so long and an appeal to the Supreme Court will take even longer. However we must keep fighting and so long as Simon continues we should support him.
Today’s vote is a done deal with Labour abstaining because, sickeningly, they want deeper restrictions and longer! However we must take whatever comfort we can from the rebels and hope it’s a big enough number to make Boris feel uncomfortable. Better still, but I can hardly hope for it, would be a leadership challenge. I know there are precious few decent and intelligent people in the Commons but we might be lucky enough to get one of them. Waiting four years to turf this lot out would be excruciating.

278307 ▶▶ jb12, replying to steph, 18, #1356 of 2297 🔗

I wish Simon Dolan success, but you are not going to overturn the system by asking the system if you can.

278357 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to jb12, 2, #1357 of 2297 🔗

Well put.

278308 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to steph, 5, #1358 of 2297 🔗

Agree. Simon was the only one that challenged this in court, some others follower much later.

Made another donation for this good cause.

278309 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steph, 7, #1359 of 2297 🔗

Well said, Steph. I will be right behind Dolan until the bitter end.

The vote is a done deal for sure but quite a number of Labour MPs have said they will be voting against, rather than abstaining, and not all because they want harsher restrcitions. It is very encouraging.

278310 ▶▶ calchas, replying to steph, 12, #1360 of 2297 🔗

As much as I am glad that this action was brought – obviously all avenues must be pursued and exhausted – I never imagined for a monment that it would succeed.

The whole system is behind Operation Covid.

Those brave people who speak out against it do do as indiviuals.

278315 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steph, 3, #1361 of 2297 🔗

And how will we be allowed to ‘turf them out’? I can’t see them ”allowing” another GE if they know their power will be taken away. Unless it’s a case of looking from pig to human, etc.

278318 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Banjones, 4, #1362 of 2297 🔗

No I really don’t buy the idea of no future elections. They will lose eventually, I’d just prefer them to lose today!

278326 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to steph, 8, #1363 of 2297 🔗

Elections, if they occur, will be meaningless. All you need is the right software – see the present situation in the US.

278327 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to steph, 4, #1364 of 2297 🔗

So do I! But they’re all becoming so similar in their mad aspirations that, even if we have that GE one day, it won’t be worth voting.
Unless, of course, Nigel can get his act together, without being crushed.

278304 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 42, #1365 of 2297 🔗

Steve Baker knocking it out of the park. He has been consulting barristers and providing reports to Government. Good man. Voting against, just to be clear.

278317 ▶▶ SteveT, replying to Charlie Blue, 17, #1366 of 2297 🔗

I’ve seen some negative comments on here in the past about him, but I thought he gave a fantastic speech this afternoon. It’s clear he’s trying to make a change, which it would be impossible to do by barnstorming, extreme speeches, which would be easy to disregard. I wish him the best in his pursuit of change, I think he needs it!

278389 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to SteveT, 1, #1367 of 2297 🔗

Guilty as charged regarding the negative comments, but he is now walking the walk

278510 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Julian, #1368 of 2297 🔗

Agreed. He was a bit disappointing on the Planet Normal podcast but I think he just doesn’t want to upset too many in the Con party as he sees himself as being a future leader. Could be worse.

278312 Banjones, 20, #1369 of 2297 🔗

Zahawi – another without any medical credentials or a proper job in the real world. Are there no honourable and experienced people left in our government to whom can be given important posts? Or would that be risking putting a cat among the pigeons?

We are being ”led” by a bunch of generally dishonourable, self-serving, arrogant, inadequately educated dimwits. Nice job if you’re thick-skinned enough to get it.

278319 Doodle, replying to Doodle, 7, #1370 of 2297 🔗

Hit piece in local media about a BBC tv presenter doing an anti lockdown demo in Birmingham. Usage of terms such as, ‘Covid-denier’ and ‘coronavirus conspiracy theorists’.

There is also the quite astounding cognitive dissonance by a BBC wokewoman, “Impartiality is the cornerstone of the BBC…” Doesn’t impartiality mean that you present both sides of an argument equally without favour to either?

There is also this gem, “We have rules in place where we’re being told we shouldn’t even be taking part in Black Lives Matter protests as BBC journalists…” BBC wokery at its finest.

Don’t venture there without an adblocker.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bbc-presenter-appears-marched-against-4744494

278325 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Doodle, 17, #1371 of 2297 🔗

Defund the BBC.

278350 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 2, #1372 of 2297 🔗

Take up their time and resources also with official complaints.

278379 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1373 of 2297 🔗

That too. Though I suppose it’s difficult to see stuff to complain about if you aren’t watching it or listening to it….

Tbh I gave up on them a long time ago – they are so politically, socially and culturally alien to me it’s as if they are foreigners.

278442 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, 2, #1374 of 2297 🔗

Destroy would be better,

278336 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Doodle, 1, #1375 of 2297 🔗

BBC operatives just can’t help themselves can they.

278351 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Doodle, 1, #1376 of 2297 🔗

I wonder if they believe what they say themselves? Does the delusion run that deep?

278388 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Doodle, 2, #1377 of 2297 🔗

Michael Wendling of the BBC Misinformation Unit responding to my complaint that coverage of an earlier anti lockdown demo was not balanced. Key sentences in bold. He makes no secret of his position that he and his colleagues know better and it’s their job to decide what people ought to be exposed to. I am sure his views are fairly typical.

Of course those who believe in conspiracy theories are not going to call their beliefs conspiracy theories, and are going to call themselves mainstream, moderate people.
We viewed footage of the speakers and spoke to people who were there.
We have no obligation to give a platform to erroneous ideas . We don’t, to take an extreme example, broadcast the manifestos of mass murderers alongside police statements so that people can “make up their own minds”.
I’m not saying the people there were violent. Some of them were (as the story reflected) were drawn by legitimate concerns. But the speakers (Mr Icke and others) were not expressing mainstream views that would benefit from airing and debate .

278338 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #1378 of 2297 🔗

Positive tests since Oct 25th
Gove this morning was saying that positive tests were doubling every fortnight when lockdown came in. This chart shows the 7 day average testing from 11 days prior to lockdown. The 7 day average means it’s actually looking back 14 days. Does that look like it was doubling?

278345 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NickR, 13, #1379 of 2297 🔗

Gove is a liar. That simple.

278352 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1380 of 2297 🔗

He’s a politician, say no more.

278446 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1381 of 2297 🔗

I wonder whether he’s replied to Kathy Gyngell yet.
I think we can guess.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/my-letter-to-michael-gove/

278348 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 6, #1382 of 2297 🔗

I think that the worrying thing about the Dolan case is that it is almost impossible to hold politicians to account on the simple test of evidence and honesty – which is obviously a critical factor when related to emergency legislation like this.

So Gove et all can tell utter porkies and never have the substance legally challenged in the courts (cf. the situation in Portugal)

278383 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to NickR, 2, #1383 of 2297 🔗

Hi misspoke – that line was meant for next week once all the student test results start coming in en masse again. They are being told they ‘must’ take a test this week before going home. Many will comply I guess. Gove obviously knows this and will use this as justification for even more restrictions.

278339 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1384 of 2297 🔗

Not checked this guys numbers but the numbers are likely to be pretty big regardless. That’s a lot of work that hasn’t been done, so unless the NHS found other things to keep busy I’m finding it hard to believe they’ve been rushed off their feet all year.

https://twitter.com/Jon_statistics/status/1333678683865878530

4.4 million missing GP and Other referrals year to date. 36.8% down for acute specialists. 2.63 million missing GP referrals to Acute Specialists year to date. 2.63 million people in England did not get a referral from GP to a specialist consultant. EXCESS Deaths in waiting.

278344 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1385 of 2297 🔗

The punchline is that a proportion of these excess deaths wil ‘test positive’ and the bastards will count them as ‘covid deaths’.

278353 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Nobody2020, 22, #1386 of 2297 🔗

Believe me, the NHS is not doing anything that is not complying with Covid. I have just been denied treatment for an eye screening for not wearing a mask despite showing an exemption downloaded from the government website. I was even quizzed on what my reason was and told I would have to forego my appointment if I refused to mask up. I left without being screened.

My experience I am sharing with you all here. All I want is to have a conversation with people who are sane, rational and not infected with this collective madness and hysteria. Any offers?

278373 ▶▶▶ Tony Rattray, replying to Alan P, 1, #1387 of 2297 🔗

Yes, in the wee krankie land of scotland, you get a £500 bonus for this!

278409 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Tony Rattray, 2, #1388 of 2297 🔗

NHS workers maybe, not the poor put upon patients. If I were an NHS person receiving this I’m pretty sure my hand would be shaking from the 30 pieces of silver.

278417 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Alan P, #1389 of 2297 🔗

Please come to mine, all conversations most welcome

278425 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Alan P, 5, #1390 of 2297 🔗

My mum had an eye appointment which she felt very uncomfortable at ,as she was berated by a nurse for not wearing a mask due to her being deaf.

I’m currently pregnant and at all the scans I’ve had I’ve been asked if I can wear a mask/ visor. I have refused to do so due to being exempt and apart from one very huffy woman who scanned me, not one has had a problem with it.

Ring PALS at the hospital and make a complaint.

278493 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to CapLlam, #1391 of 2297 🔗

“one very huffy woman”.

Very good description. The odd occasion I have been to hospital for routine checks I have encountered ‘huffiness’, and when my late mother was in hospital being mistreated for eight weeks a few years ago there was an awful lot of ‘huffiness’ amongst ward staff. I think ‘huffiness skills’ must be a nurtured quality for nurses.

278528 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to CapLlam, 1, #1392 of 2297 🔗

Thanks for the tip. Be honest I hate having my eyes done, so I wasn’t too bothered. I’m just so fed up with the hysteria from so called medical people, who seem to have become so enmeshed in the madness that they have stopped using any rational thought processes .

278707 ▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Alan P, #1393 of 2297 🔗

Make a formal complaint to the CEO of the hospital, and copy it to the local Healthwatch (?) committee.

278811 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Alan P, #1394 of 2297 🔗

That is so wrong. I had no problems being maskless when I saw a consultant at a hospital in September.

278340 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 40, #1395 of 2297 🔗

There will be nothing left by Easter, except Amazon and supermarkets. This is economic suicide. BoJo and his cabinet of clowns are utterly clueless, blind to reality.

The Government said that they would base their decisions on the science. They haven’t, and the casualties are people’s lives, the economy and civil liberties.

Some of the top comments on the bbc website about the latest lockdown vote. The real disaster is now unfortunately unfolding over the winter, but stay strong.

278390 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tony Rattray, 8, #1396 of 2297 🔗

Tony – firstly, many thanks for braving the BBC. I can’t stomach it. Secondly – is there starting to be some scepticism on the comments under the articles even on the BBC now?

278413 ▶▶▶ Tony Rattray, replying to kenadams, 2, #1397 of 2297 🔗

Not the articles, but where the public (who pay for the bbc!) get to speak, often it is now sceptical. I most often check the bbc scotland public comments and this is very sceptical of the scottish government. Something appears to be amiss with the polling in scotland where it appears nicola and the snp are doing a wonderful job on covid. Me thinks it may be a case of say one thing in public, but think another in private – that is, lots of closet lockdown sceptics. We will not know for sure until the next national vote – spring for scotland.

278464 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tony Rattray, 2, #1398 of 2297 🔗

They know what they are doing

278343 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 20, #1399 of 2297 🔗

Mary Kelly Foy MP Durham.

God help these people. Basically saying that all we can do now is lockdown until the vaccine is rolled out. That is literally the last ounce of brain power.

278364 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1400 of 2297 🔗

Lockdown and give us money. Seems to be a lot singing from that hymn sheet

278368 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1401 of 2297 🔗

Yep, she wants a zero covid approach like New Zealand.

278385 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #1402 of 2297 🔗

Literally irrational.

278416 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Mark, 2, #1403 of 2297 🔗

I have written over and over again since March.
Finally got a response saying we needed to follow NZ and have an extensive testing regime and all the other nonsense to ensure zero covid.

278508 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #1404 of 2297 🔗

Interesting since NZ are, seemingly, living in fear with opening their borders. Great idea seeing as their economy functions – not totally perhaps, but quite substantially – on tourism.

Here’s a snippet which might come in useful in any future reply – March 2020. Sir Patrick Vaccine Vallance:
“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway…
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-scientist-warns-coronavirus-lockdown-risks-more-deaths-a4386661.html

278432 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #1405 of 2297 🔗

Do you think it might be a “teeth thing”?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Foy_(politician)

Admittedly aren’t as impressive as NZs “esteemed” leader but…

278439 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to dhid, #1406 of 2297 🔗

Yes, definitely. She’s never got her wisdom teeth.

278482 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #1407 of 2297 🔗

Yip, works a treat as long as no one is allowed in or out of the country forever.

278525 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #1408 of 2297 🔗

That seems to be their thinking, but even that doesn’t even work! as seen earlier in the year with Russian Fishermen – basically: all tested before flight. couple of +ve ones told they couldn’t go, fair enough, but everyone else on the plane took multiple tests, all negative. Get off the plane the other end – I think about a dozen tested positive getting off the plane!

278479 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1409 of 2297 🔗

I’m ashamed to say she is from my county. Thick as shite she is and an embarrassment.

278346 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 12, #1410 of 2297 🔗

So, do we believe Gove?

So-called ‘vaccine passports’ will not be required to visit the pub once a Covid-19 jab is approved, Michael Gove has said.

Mr Gove said the most important thing to do ‘is make sure that we vaccinate as many people as possible’.

But when asked by presenter Kay Burley if people would have to prove they had been vaccinated to enjoy freedoms such as going to the pub, theatre or sporting event, he replied ‘no’.

He said the Government would rely on the scientific arguments to convince people to have the vaccine.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/01/vaccine-passports-ruled-out-for-pub-trips-after-covid-jab-approved-13680542/

I won’t hold my breath.

278347 ▶▶ leggy, replying to zacaway, 4, #1411 of 2297 🔗

Nope. Not a word.

278360 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to zacaway, 15, #1412 of 2297 🔗

The same Gove who stated that masks would not be made mandatory?

278365 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Alan P, 2, #1413 of 2297 🔗

Beat me to it!

278395 ▶▶ steph, replying to zacaway, 7, #1414 of 2297 🔗

In an occupation where honesty is optional, Gove has standards of mendacity that make him stand out from the crowd.

278404 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to zacaway, 1, #1415 of 2297 🔗

I do not believe Gove at all.

278410 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Stephanos, 1, #1416 of 2297 🔗

Surely that man has no political or personal credibility left?

278433 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to zacaway, 1, #1417 of 2297 🔗

Has he told the Great Vaccine Minister?

Given previous form on masks, I don’t believe a word.

278473 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to zacaway, 5, #1418 of 2297 🔗

He is a lying c@nt. Everything that comes out of that rancid mouth is lies. He lied for twenty minutes when JHB tore him to shreds this morning. An abborant individual.

278356 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 21, #1419 of 2297 🔗

I got a free coffee today at my local place next to y office. I had a little rant about this whole business and they all agreed as they are all sceptics. They have to wear masks as their job depends on it but they are a good bunch and not even once since March mentioned to anyone they need to wear one. Just a little advertising they are called the Gentleman’s Caffe in Borough Market. Avoid Monmouth. The last time I was there I was there they would not serve me without a mask. Fuck them, overpriced shit anyway.

278392 ▶▶ steph, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #1420 of 2297 🔗

Apologies if this is already happening and I’ve missed missed it.
Can we start a register of businesses? Collaborators on one side and free thinkers on the other?
We do have to be fair so on the collaborator side it would need to be businesses who go the extra mile to be officious and virtue signalling. Obviously those who do the “no mask, no entry” vileness including those who will kindly serve you outside. I’d like to include Tesco also for that egregious Christmas advert.
On the free thinkers side so far, Kim’s in Saffron Walden and Gentlemen’s in Borough.
Any others?

278407 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to steph, 8, #1421 of 2297 🔗

I’m happy to create a page on Panscepticon to publicise the good guys and pillory the twats.

278411 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, #1422 of 2297 🔗

Careful with that, Mabel. There are those out there on social media that will do the exact opposite.

Can I urge caution, please.

278422 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1423 of 2297 🔗

I’d be worried about those getting targeted. Some twat gave the KH Cafe a snotty “1/10 not enough theatrics” review.

278431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to DRW, #1424 of 2297 🔗

Exactly my point. I think we should at the very least list those who are behaving sensibly but still adhering to the regs? Welcoming to those with exemptions

278424 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1425 of 2297 🔗

In what way? We are already seeing unfair reviews created for places just expressing sceptical viewpoints but still adhering to the silly regs.
Perhaps we just do the positives page in that case? Leave the negative one for us all to make our own personal complaint to each company as we see fit?
Maybe that makes more sense?

278500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steph, 3, #1426 of 2297 🔗

I’m not knocking the idea. Apologies to all if I didn’t make my meaning clear.

I just don’t want the covidiots attacking places like Kim’s simply because they have been listed as a good place by Lockdown Sceptics.

278520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1427 of 2297 🔗

I get your point. I was feeling a bit strident and powerless! And sick of the obstructive behaviour of some little Hitlers out there. Might be best to keep our counsel. I’m keeping my own list though…

278543 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steph, 1, #1428 of 2297 🔗

And sick of the obstructive behaviour of some little Hitlers out there.

Yes. I feel for Kim and others who have had to go this. I’m sure these people are on the list.

I’m keeping my own list though…

Oh, yes! I’ve got a few places round my way that won’t see a penny from me again.

278414 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1429 of 2297 🔗

Thank you Mabel. Do you need any input other than us all notifying you of our experiences?
I kind of think it would be nice to send the list out periodically to the subjects as a thank you to those doing the decent thing and a reminder to the other lot that they are being watched and that the sceptic pound will be spent elsewhere.

278611 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Mabel Cow, #1430 of 2297 🔗

why not put on the sceptics forum? I think it’s in the wording to not incite hatred and retribution – maybe along the lines ‘these businesses would welcome your support’ for the good guys – noone could argue with something as innocuous as this…??

278984 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Sue, #1431 of 2297 🔗

Agreed. Probably better on the forum.

278486 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to steph, #1432 of 2297 🔗

Been asking about this. I think it would be very useful. I have my own list, but it would be good to have a national one

North Face will never get my custom again. And Appleton’s Butchers in Ripon.

278524 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to steph, #1433 of 2297 🔗

In fairness to Tesco, I haven’t been challenged by them throughout this whole shitshow despite never wearing a mask.

278544 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to steph, #1434 of 2297 🔗

here a good place to start , a list of WEF “partners”
(just about every company you’ve ever heard of)

https://www.weforum.org/partners/

278366 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 12, #1435 of 2297 🔗

No passports needed for the pub, says Grovel. No mask-wearing required, he said six months ago the day before it was.

Do we really need Grovel in our lives?

278391 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Stuart, 9, #1436 of 2297 🔗

‘No plans for a health passport’

So it will definatly happen

278429 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Stuart, 3, #1437 of 2297 🔗

No passports needed. Just your vaccination card or proof on your mobile phone app…

278548 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Stuart, 1, #1438 of 2297 🔗

Do we really need Grovel in our lives?”

A rhetorical question if ever their was one.

Who needs a second rate scribbler of little brain?

278376 Steeve, 4, #1439 of 2297 🔗

SPOT THE DIFFERNCE (ONS)

The number of deaths in hospitals was above the five-year average in Week 46 for the fourth consecutive week ( 818 more deaths); the numbers of deaths in private homes and care homes were also above the five-year average (981 and 138 more deaths respectively), but deaths in other locations were below the five-year average ( 39 fewer deaths).

The number of deaths in hospitals, care homes and private homes was above the five-year average but deaths in other locations were below the five-year average in Week 47 .

278386 calchas, 24, #1440 of 2297 🔗

All power rests ultimately on the use of force.

In the pre-March 2020 era we used to enjoy however, broad freedoms and rights. There was freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the more or less impartial due process of law. Particularly in common law jurisdictions there reigned an ideal of fairness, which although it may often have been breached, was always there in the background. Everyone believed in it and professed to believe in it. In other words power was accepted as legitimate, so that the use of force was an exception.

We are now in a very different world. Because of the global financial situation, power is now taking off the velvet gloves to reveal the iron fist beneath. All of those things I just listed in the previous paragraph are now luxuries.

That is why we see the censorship and hard policing, the determination to keep people apart that we do.

278393 calchas, replying to calchas, 36, #1441 of 2297 🔗

Isn’t it funny to think back now at how the Eastern bloc was portryed during the Cold War.

You remember, no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, political pressure on people to conform politically, the police breaking up protests etc etc, state broadcasters pushing the party line.

Ironic, isn’t it?

At least the pubs and churches (mostly) were open

278435 ▶▶ Jo, replying to calchas, 6, #1442 of 2297 🔗

Yes, when I got permission to visit my family in East Germany for the first time in 1981 at least we had a 3 day party! And what a hangover it was that followed. No restrictions on numbers, food, drink and no-one monitoring what we did.

278438 ▶▶ Alice, replying to calchas, 9, #1443 of 2297 🔗

I think the main difference is that the majority of the population in the Eastern Bloc knew that their governments were telling lies.

278450 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Alice, 22, #1444 of 2297 🔗

Being of Russian parentage I can attest to that

There were 3 versions of the truth

a. Pravda truth – what the official line was , nobody believed it but all parroted it
b. Workplace truth – what you would say to an acquaintance who you knew was not brainwashed
c. Kitchen table truth – what you would say at home to somebody you trusted

Really saddened at what my adopted country has come to

278467 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Aslangeo, 11, #1445 of 2297 🔗

In my opinion the West is now – in terms of economics – where the USSR was around 1989.

The insiders are now looting everything that isn’t nailed down, and quite a bit of what is.

278487 ▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to calchas, 3, #1446 of 2297 🔗

Depressing – but it’s worse in some ways as we no longer have big reserves of energy, no oligarch’s gonna get seriously rich on our oil or coal. On the upside our urban housing stock is better, and the winter isn’t as cold!

278470 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #1447 of 2297 🔗

It’s also my adopted country, and it’s indeed tragic.

278504 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Alice, 4, #1448 of 2297 🔗

It’s my country – and my family has lived here longer than I can trace.

… and I’m f.ing disgusted.

278583 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Aslangeo, #1449 of 2297 🔗

It’s been like that here for quite a while really. I recognise those levels of truth for as long as I have been sentient.

278475 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Alice, 9, #1450 of 2297 🔗

You’ve made a really important point. The gullibility of the UK population has been a wonder to behold – even given the massive wall of propaganda.

Eastern bloc countries had decades to get in place scepticism about what they were told (although many will have still been suckered), and informal channels of alternative information were better developed.

What makes me laugh is that many political ‘moaners’ – i.e. those that will bang on endlessly and pointlessly about how ‘they’re all the same’ and ‘don’t trust any of ’em’ or ‘never vote’ etc. – fall over themselves to validate the pap that they’re fed in the current situation.

I can’t help feeling that both attitudes are expressions of the lazy non-think that has brought us to where we are. Moaning as a political stance that actually feeds the beast and leaves the ring to the sad (but dangerous) non-entities that we see in parliament.

278734 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to RickH, 1, #1451 of 2297 🔗

There are plenty of obedient Covid believers in East Germany.
Proportionally fewer than in the West though.
The best known former leaders of the resistance are mostly against the measurements taken.
And promptly denounced as lunatics or Nazis.
Especially so by former SED/Stasi members and apologists now often in power, like Kahane, Geisel, Steinmeier and Merkel (IM Erika).

278468 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to calchas, 3, #1452 of 2297 🔗

Yes, I remember that. Although even at the time, the Cold War dictated the averting of eyes when it was “our side” curtailing liberties. Like say, the oppressive rule of the colonels in Greece, 1967-74. I think no more than three people were allowed to stand together outside at the same time, otherwise all would be hauled off to a police station.

They have tried to ban protests in the same country this year, in the name of fighting Covid, of course.

278512 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to calchas, 6, #1453 of 2297 🔗

That is the bit that really gets me. I am a child of the 1970s. When I was growing up, my mother pointed out that the difference between East Europe and West Europe was that in the latter, we were free to criticise the government, free to do things without government permission, free to leave the country.

That self same mother is now a covid zealot.

278394 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 10, #1454 of 2297 🔗

Take a look at this video – look at Johnson’s body language.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1333779800805163010

278398 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1455 of 2297 🔗

It’s like he doesn’t know what day it is.

278399 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1456 of 2297 🔗

Or his programming briefly broke…

278401 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ozzie, 12, #1457 of 2297 🔗

He looks like a fucking schoolboy waiting outside the headmaster’s office. Let’s hope he gets the cane.

278415 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1458 of 2297 🔗

I suspect he might enjoy it…

278403 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1459 of 2297 🔗

He looks defeated in the first 30 seconds

278418 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1460 of 2297 🔗

Mrs C. and I spotted that when watching Brady while it was live. He’s a mess.

278428 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1461 of 2297 🔗

God yes – he looks terrible. Good!

278426 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ozzie, 16, #1462 of 2297 🔗

I’ve commented in the past that he looks like someone who is under some sort of coercion and knows what he is doing is morally wrong but hasn’t got the guts to change tack.
It’s got to end badly for him.

278454 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 7, #1463 of 2297 🔗

I think that he’s being blackmailed. Dirt that he can’t shake off.

278538 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1464 of 2297 🔗

That is very possible/probable. Think there may be at least one other too.

278516 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1465 of 2297 🔗

Johnson doesn’t know the meaning of the term ‘morally wrong’!

He has the typical characteristics of the narcissistic psychopath. His problem is that he’s got in deeper than his shallow personality can cope with.

278427 ▶▶ alw, replying to Ozzie, 11, #1466 of 2297 🔗

Looks haunted as he deserves to be. He is not well mentally or physically. He needs to be removed.

278453 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to alw, 2, #1467 of 2297 🔗

Shame we don’t have a 25th amendment.

278481 ▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1468 of 2297 🔗

He looks broken. Hopefully he has a revolver and glass of port in his office at No 10

278503 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #1469 of 2297 🔗

Hear hear – that is not the image of a man in a good place.

278552 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1470 of 2297 🔗

Boris must be Billy No Mates right now. He must be…Surely he is well and truly in the dog house “in the real world” of his peers. Who would have a good old laugh with evil insane Boris now?
(Apart from HandyCock)

278593 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1471 of 2297 🔗

his whole body language is so disrespectful – crossed arms, not listening, insouciant. Looks like a sulking school boy which he is generally.

Whatever comes of all this shitshow it must be an uncomfortable thought that he is so reviled by so many people in this country, now and in future as more chaos and misery descends on us. He is surely going to need security protection for the remainder of his life as is likely to be mauled on the street in the future by those whose lives he has deliberately destructed.

278675 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sue, #1472 of 2297 🔗

Did you notice how he was moved into no10 yesterday almost IN DISGUISE with his bobble hat? I have heard his armed guard has been upgraded too.
Boris is going to need a safe house one day soon.

278397 Tom Blackburn, 8, #1473 of 2297 🔗

“No way would I poison my body with that shite. All they fucking chemicals, no fucking way.”

– Francis Begbie

278402 Liam, replying to Liam, 29, #1474 of 2297 🔗

Seen elsewhere just now:

Deaths in England and Wales October 2019.: 46,238

Deaths in October 2020: 46,296.

Let’s close our entire society down, that’s a good idea.

278434 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Liam, 10, #1475 of 2297 🔗

Unfortunately, those year on year figures are likely to start rising quite soon, as a result of all the very many missed or postponed cancer screenings and operations, as well as deaths attibutable to economic loss and social isolation.

278437 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, 8, #1476 of 2297 🔗

And said deaths will be put down to, well, you know.

278448 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Liam, 12, #1477 of 2297 🔗

Bottom Line : All-cause deaths (population adjusted) are tracking bang in the middle of the quarter-century range, which is the baseline I use, since the 5-year average is misleading as it covers a period of unusually low mortality.

The idea of a ‘crisis’ is so far-fetched as to be ludicrous.

278553 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, #1478 of 2297 🔗

the 5-year average is misleading as it covers a period of unusually low mortality

Well, that’s one way of putting it. Death rate per head of population has been falling since the 1970s. So another way of putting it is that we have gone back a decade or two.

278701 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1479 of 2297 🔗

So another way of putting it is that we have gone back a decade or two.

Indeed. Truly, a “once in a lifetime pandemic”.

278759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Mark, -1, #1480 of 2297 🔗

Yes, but the question is whether any previous pandemic in our lifetime (such as those of 1957 or 1968) threw us back by the same amount. In 1957 we had about 20,000 deaths, in 1968 about 30,000 ascribed to the pandemic, but not the same level of excess. There’s no obvious retrograde effect in those years.

278715 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard Pinch, #1481 of 2297 🔗

Interesting, by the way, that the US has a contrasting situation – a rising deaths trend, both due to increasing death rates and increasing population.

Just means the panickers can point to increases over the average as “excess deaths”, without of course accounting for the existing increasing trend.

Heads, they win. Tails, we lose.

278406 Mark, replying to Mark, 16, #1482 of 2297 🔗

Nice clip of Sir Desmond Swayne (one of the good guys, definitely) coming out firmly against vaccine coercion – including (importantly) coercion by discrimination against refusers:

https://twitter.com/PaulLow32841476/status/1333814027093504001

278412 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, 10, #1483 of 2297 🔗

Unfortunately, he mentions a fatality rate of ‘verging on 1%’

That is approximately seven times the IFR as the WHO now officially accepts.

0.14%

278419 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to calchas, 4, #1484 of 2297 🔗

Yeah, I thought it was a mistake for him to even venture a number. The precise figure wasn’t actually relevant to his point.

278441 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mattghg, 1, #1485 of 2297 🔗

Just “such a low rate” would have been better, yes.

278423 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 4, #1486 of 2297 🔗

He did, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt that it was just a slip as he was going at pace. He’s commented before, in the house and on radio, about the 99.9% survival rate.

278440 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 4, #1487 of 2297 🔗

This kind of shorthand is to be forgiven imo in off the cuff speaking I think. Also, you have to consider the audience. Stating a smaller figure would just invite a political enemy to start an argument about that, diverting from the point.

278582 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to calchas, 1, #1488 of 2297 🔗

the IFR as the WHO now officially accepts.

Do you have a reference to the official statement by the WHO giving that figure?

I would surprised to see it, given the Ioannides paper saying

The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 can vary substantially across different locations and this may reflect differences in population age structure and casemix of infected and deceased patients and other factors.

But it’s possible the WHO have changed their minds very recently, I suppose.

279298 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, #1489 of 2297 🔗

A minor indiscretion, I’ll let him off 🙂

278420 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1490 of 2297 🔗

2000 military medical staff ready to work. No more excuses about lack of staff for Nightingales etc.

278531 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1491 of 2297 🔗

Last excuse I heard was that the Nightingales don’t have enough toilets, because they assumed they would be full to bursting with catheterised, sedated and ventilated patients.

Because the virus is less lethal than feared, they are therefore not suitable for use for conscious toilet-requiring people. Six months over the summer wasn’t long enough to install a few banks of toilets and solve this problem, obviously…

278430 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 21, #1492 of 2297 🔗

When it’s only the country you live in making insane decisions over covid, Be it lockdowns, human separation (hate the term social distancing), muzzles, curfews etc.. then you look for people to blame, ie Gov or scientific advisors. However you have to look at the bigger picture, in that just about EVERY BLOODY NATION is doing the exact INSANE thing then you have to wonder why. On top of that you have the likes of google and youtube censoring all sensible debate on the issue. So I believe we have to take the fight somewhere else (not sure where) but it’s obvious our and every other government are being controlled by an organisation far more powerful then individual governments. There is absolutely no way every government can be this INSANE given all the evidence out there.

Just waiting for the president of Tanzania to be taken out just like the Burundi one was. Don’t forgot there was a concerted effort to take out the Belarus leader as well. Trump has fallen (who was against lockdown) and the Brazillian leader heavily criticized.

278461 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1493 of 2297 🔗

It is almost as if the organization SPECTRE in the 007 films was merely a bit of long-term predictive programming…

278471 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Andrew K, 8, #1494 of 2297 🔗

Trump hasn’t fallen yet. That is more of the DS narrative they are pushing.

278490 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #1495 of 2297 🔗

Indeed he hasn’t. Notice Biden is back in hidin’ apparently with a broken ankle or something!

278495 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #1496 of 2297 🔗

Certainly explains the BLM movement and how it rose to prominence so quickly over the summer. It looks to be one of the tools used to try and take trump out, may explain why the police supported them in toppling statues this summer. My head is spinning when you start to see the pieces coming together.

278505 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, #1497 of 2297 🔗

BLM and Antifa are merely paid components of the color revolution program the CIA is running.

They’ve certainly had tons of practice from the Arab Spring and Ukraine.

278555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1498 of 2297 🔗

Although none of those worked out so well in the end. In fact, these geniuses have an unbroken record of bungling.

278559 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ovis, 3, #1499 of 2297 🔗

Just maybe they’ve bungled the Trump takedown.

278476 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Andrew K, 25, #1500 of 2297 🔗

When this is all over. I am leaving the U.K. I don’t care that every country did the same. What I care about is that my relationship with this state is now broken beyond repair.

I will start again elsewhere understanding that the government of my new home does not pretend to be the “mother of democracy”. Hells bollocks I might even go somewhere with a dictator who at least admits to being one. That I can accept easier than living with these maggots living off my taxes.

How many jobs at Debenhams and Arcadia are going bang in the next month. Jesus Christ it’s not a couple is it ? It’s tens of thousands + the supply chains & all those families, all those people just thrown to the wolves. This is not a kindness to the vulnerable it is rank selfish behaviour from cowards.

278574 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1501 of 2297 🔗

i’m also tempted to get out of this shitty little grey country – if dictator allows us out! Not sure where to go though. But i agree if go to a more authoritarian country at least it’s transparent and not pretending to be democratic as this country is.

278608 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1502 of 2297 🔗

I’m a bit old to be starting over in a new country. But I’ll be screwing this one over for all I can get from now on. I loved this country and the bastards have thrown it all back in my face.

278477 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Andrew K, 15, #1503 of 2297 🔗

Trump won easily.

278489 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to nottingham69, -7, #1504 of 2297 🔗

Fantasy. He didn’t even win the popular vote last time round.

Just because he decided there was political mileage in opposing lockdown doesn’t make him a genius – he’s never done anything well except bankruptcy as a means of diddling the punters.

278810 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, 2, #1505 of 2297 🔗

this twat here gets it wrong on absolutely everything. If he told me wearing a mask didn’t save your life i’d probably wear one.

278492 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1506 of 2297 🔗

Noooo not Tanzania! 🇹🇿 I’ve been wanted to climb Mt Kilimanjaro for years but the recent postcard from there cemented it as No.1 on my holiday bucket list. Somewhere with no masks and no anti-social distancing at all! Have been dreaming of safari and Zanzibar ever since 😭

278519 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 10, #1507 of 2297 🔗

My wife worked for a charity that done work in Tanzania (Now unemployed due to covid) anyway the partners who she worked for still invited her to a webiner on the work they’ve carried out. This included participants from the US and the number of European countries. The first 20 minutes she said were all the white country people being confused why they weren’t all dropping dead with no lockdown, testing, face masks and human separation. After all black people were more at risk right? Anyway she said everything was back to normal by late April and schools reopened shortly afterwards. Just think that could’ve been us as well if no lockdown ver 1 happened.

278622 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1508 of 2297 🔗

I’ve read a couple of articles in the past few days registering surprise that malaria has killed multiples more than covid in sub Saharan Africa this year. Who would have thought??

278815 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Adamb, 4, #1509 of 2297 🔗

unfortunately it’s blacks dying and no one gives a fuck about them. I weep when i think of all the people across Africa that could have been saved from death from preventable diseases with just a fraction of the money we’ve wasted on this virus bullshit. They say they care about saving lives but they really don’t. The sell weapons to despots and prop up dictators. They don’t give two fucks for any of us. We are dog shit to them.

278436 DressageRider, replying to DressageRider, 6, #1510 of 2297 🔗

I don’t know whether this adds anything to anything, but I was just watching S Dolan’s twitter feed and there is a video clip of Ferguson being interviewed on Newsnight. He says in this that he is a friend of Christian Dorsten. Dorsten is the one being sued by the German group isn’t he? So, those two are friends, well what do you know. Ferguson looks very strange, he moves his upper lip in a kind of snarl when he talks.

278444 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to DressageRider, 6, #1511 of 2297 🔗

I commented on the tweet saying that the fact he’s mentioned he’s friends with Drosten tells you all you need to know.

278445 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DressageRider, 2, #1512 of 2297 🔗

the PCR test chap?

278447 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to CGL, 1, #1513 of 2297 🔗

yes, that one

278449 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DressageRider, 4, #1514 of 2297 🔗

Never-ending cronyism – this net goes far and wide

278457 ▶▶ calchas, replying to DressageRider, 3, #1515 of 2297 🔗

One doesn’t get the impression that either of them had very much social life to lose as a result of the social restrictions imposed on their recommendations.

278496 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to calchas, 1, #1516 of 2297 🔗

Ferguson’s social life wasn’t restricted – he made sure he continued to see his lover.

278509 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1517 of 2297 🔗

That’s after he became famous.

That makes all the diffrence.

278494 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DressageRider, 1, #1518 of 2297 🔗

Yeah, I commented on it yesterday. I hope they get to share a cell together soon.

278556 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to leggy, 1, #1519 of 2297 🔗

I don’t hope they share a cell. I’d rather they spent the rest of their days in solitary the way many lonely people have been condemned to do.
But to be fair to Ferguson, he did point out that once you locked down there was no easy way out so they shouldn’t do it.
But Johnson and his cabal chose to do it nevertheless – they are ultimately responsible.

278451 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1520 of 2297 🔗

Google:Online Stasi.

278458 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to richard riewer, 6, #1521 of 2297 🔗

Goolag

278452 Jonathan Castro, 1, #1522 of 2297 🔗

That ricochet link is very, very sloooowwwww

278459 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 9, #1523 of 2297 🔗

These absolute cnuts banging on about mandatory vaccination need to ask themselves why TB vaccination was mandatory and then suddenly ceased as boarders across Europe were opened.

And now TB is on the rise. There is no mandatory vaccination and it’s going to kill many more younger people than Covid.

So why are we not arresting immigrants until they are compulsory vaccinated against TB ? Because of human rights, so what’s the difference ? Cherry picking.

278485 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Leemc23, -6, #1524 of 2297 🔗

Because the BCG vaccine doesn’t work very well in adults.
And because it’s actually really hard to catch TB unless you live with someone.
It is a problem in places like London where it has spread in immigrant communities with overcrowded housing and poverty.
Ironically the best way to tackle this would be to have an amnesty for illegal immigrants and let them come forward and be treated. But something tells me you won’t approve of that!

278609 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #1525 of 2297 🔗

Not if he’s got any sense – would just invite another wave of illegals to repeat the process, and pile on more of the costs of mass immigration. Better to actually deal with illegals that are here, police our borders and deter mass immigration

278610 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #1526 of 2297 🔗

Well you completely misread that. I am from an immigrant family and my desire is not to make life harder for any other family whom is from similar backgrounds. Best to not make assumptions about other people as it rather makes a fool of you, not them.

278488 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1527 of 2297 🔗

I’ll bet a year’s pay the vax won’t be mandatory for so-called, “refugees.”

278460 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -21, #1528 of 2297 🔗

This one’s a real beauty.. particularly at 1m 29secs !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Y4XwiLD0o

278466 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to MutzNutz, #1529 of 2297 🔗

No it isn’t. IGNORE

278472 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to MutzNutz, 4, #1530 of 2297 🔗

No it is not. IGNORE

278478 ▶▶ calchas, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #1531 of 2297 🔗

Sad !

278483 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to MutzNutz, 8, #1532 of 2297 🔗

You’re probably in the wrong place to get much of a reaction. This place is quite cordial as far the internet goes.

278571 ▶▶ chaos, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1533 of 2297 🔗

Ah. A twenty something who’s thoughts and opinions were gifted to him by the globalists. How sweet. Do stay. We like children. I bet you love the EU and windfarms and pop music.

278469 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1534 of 2297 🔗

Who the fuck is this twunt:

https://youtu.be/3yrO_PQGpUk?t=1358

Have a listen to the crap spewing from his mouth if you can bear it.

278480 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1535 of 2297 🔗

I heard it, massive tool he is.

278497 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1536 of 2297 🔗

A brain dead half wit

278541 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1537 of 2297 🔗

Neil O’Brien. One of whom I had hopes at one time, when he was a policy wonk who dared to challenge the group-think. Now he’s just another slime-ball climbing the greasy pole.

278727 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, #1538 of 2297 🔗

80000 excess deaths was as far as I could make. What is he talking about. Seeing as we’ve eliminated flu and replaced it with C19, they must be mainly sepsis, heart attack, stroke or suicide. And whose fault is that?

278778 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sarigan, #1539 of 2297 🔗

Couldn’t get by 80,000 excess deaths.Where do they get these people

278474 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 16, #1540 of 2297 🔗

Pubs, cafés and restos across the country have to organize in secret to open up en masse. Perhaps over a period of three, four days. How can they communicate their plan to each other without the authorities finding out and having enough time to thrwart their actions?

278536 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1541 of 2297 🔗

They should do, but unfortunately they are unlikely to get the show of unity given my local pub has a strict ‘no mask no entry’ policy (no exemptions apply according to them), many small business are sadly fanatical enforcers of the ‘rules’.

278573 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Darryl, 2, #1542 of 2297 🔗

My local was like that. Any slight deviation from the rules and they made you feel like shit.

Of course, it meant the atmosphere in the pub was horrible. I wanted to scream at the staff – do you not know you are signing your own death certificate?

278578 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kenadams, 3, #1543 of 2297 🔗

Yep. There’s a few gaffs near me that I won’t mind going bust for this reason.

278484 Cecil B, 28, #1544 of 2297 🔗

A victim of domestic abuse suffers an average of 35 incidents before they seek help from the authorities

Half the homicides of females in the UK are by partners or ex partners

The dynamics of this type of relationship are complex; but well documented and easy to identify by those people with the relevant training and experience.

It is about one person exercising power and control over another

It is oft heard that ‘he/she said that really, really this is the last time’ Of course it never is

I’m sure there many on here who would recognise the patterns of behaviour that are now being exhibited by our leaders

How many times have we heard

‘It breaks my heart to do this to you but this in definatly the last time, I promise you’

‘If only you had listened’

‘This is your fault’

‘Things will get better I promise’

Privileges and freedoms taken away, reinstated in a limited way to obtain compliance and then taken away again

Often the last person to recognise they are in an abusive relationship is the victim

The Pig Dictator, The Rapists Dad, Turdgeon, Mandy and Grovel are abusers

You are in an abusive relationship

278514 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1546 of 2297 🔗

Letter received from school today:

278527 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Mr Dee, 10, #1547 of 2297 🔗

But it’s guidance, not law, so can be ignored. It’s tantamount to child cruelty.

278549 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Anothersceptic2, 8, #1548 of 2297 🔗

Exactly, but it will be interesting to see what fallout occurs from the other be-masked parents when I continue to refuse to comply. Doesn’t matter if it’s law or not – it’s all about social pressure these days.

Bear in mind, no parent was masked during drop-off/pick-up the week before the guidance was issued. The day the guidance was issued, they’ve all become mask zealots.

It’s very interesting from an anthropological view.

The human condition, or at least the British condition, it seems, is to follow rules, despite all precedent and common sense.

278584 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1549 of 2297 🔗

I carry around in my knapsack two black face masks I’ve pick up off the ground on two separate occasions whilst out walking. They are black. When I hold them up to the light I can see through them.

Cleary, some masks are more equal than others. Does the head teacher think a minimum standard is required? Or is he or she happy for any standard of mask to be worn? Where is the line to be drawn? If no line is to be drawn there’s clearly no point to wearing one even by those who judge mask can be efficacious which is a moot point anyway.

278530 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1550 of 2297 🔗

And my responding email to the headteacher (I’ve tried to be as diplomatic and un-belligerent as possible):

Dear Mrs Pugh,

I have received the letter reminding people to wear face-coverings when dropping off or picking up their children at school.

I am afraid as a matter of conscience I am unable to wear a face covering.

However, I am mindful of other children, staff and parents when dropping off/picking up my daughter.

In the morning, whereas before I would walk her to the gate, I now wait at a reasonable distance from the gate and allow my daughter to walk there alone, under my watchful supervision.

In the afternoon, whereas I used to wait directly before the gate at the rear of the playground, I now wait within eyeshot of the exit, again a reasonable distance away from children, staff and parents.

Throughout the drop-off/pickup process, I follow the World Health Organisation guidelines concerning maintaining distance during this pandemic, namely:

  • Maintain at least a 1-metre distance between yourself and others to reduce your risk of infection when they cough, sneeze or speak. Maintain an even greater distance between yourself and others when indoors. The further away, the better.

I hope you understand that my actions ensure that I am able to drop-off/pick up my daughter without recourse to mask-wearing.

The Welsh Government website states the following:

Are face coverings required in education and childcare settings? Face coverings should be worn by secondary school learners and staff everywhere outside the classroom. Face coverings should also be worn by secondary school pupils on school transport and by visitors and parents entering the school estate.

Also:

Wearing face coverings outdoors, where transmission of the virus is low, is not recommended, unless in a situation where social distancing of two metres is impossible.

The new guidance simply states:

Visitors to the school setting should use a face covering, including parents when dropping off and picking up learners .

Bear in mind, this is not legislation, merely guidance. It is not compulsory.

During drop-off/ pick up, I ensure I am outdoors, I maintain a distance of two-metres from others, and I ensure I am not on the school estate. Therefore, it is safe for me not to wear a mask, without jeopardising the safety of others, and I am complying with the Welsh government’s suggestions.

Kind regards,

Mr Dee

278564 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1551 of 2297 🔗

I’ve been busy today – I had to write another letter to my elder daughter’s college:

I am writing to you about concerns I have for my daughter, a student at the college. She dutifully wears a mask, but has recently had problems with breathing while wearing one, and with occasional severe headaches, which she attributes to constant mask-wearing.

She has got to the point where she is not able to wear a mask at all times when required, and so needs to go unmasked when the symptoms come on.

I suggest that this means that she has an exemption, as, according to the government guidelines (taken from the Welsh govt. website):

Who does not have to wear face coverings? There are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering. Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances, noti